**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 23 02:59:57 2009 Jul 23 03:01:45 hm Jul 23 03:08:14 Jul 23 05:23:52 hm Jul 23 05:24:36 what is the easiest way to use a vhost in apache to do a simple address redirection? Jul 23 05:25:36 meaning if someone connexts to http://www.foo.org it will send them to https://www.foo.org Jul 23 05:36:19 When the first "wave" of the disease strikes its hosts, the host will sneeze, several blue sparks will fly from the host, and the host will transform into a chicken instantaneously. Most clothing dissapears as well, though particularly prominent pieces of clothing have been known to stay. Jul 23 05:36:23 Good morning all Jul 23 05:37:38 morning Jul 23 05:41:00 Stskeeps: you have any direction as to how one would go about redirecting an http to https in apache? Jul 23 05:41:18 Redirect statement Jul 23 05:41:48 so the whole vhost would be Redirect https://www.foo.com Jul 23 05:41:55 and thats it? ;) Jul 23 05:42:08 no, redirect / https etc i think Jul 23 05:42:15 google a bit Jul 23 05:42:20 i am Jul 23 05:42:29 best i found was mod-proxy Jul 23 05:42:37 mod_proxy Jul 23 05:42:47 which i thought was overkill Jul 23 05:43:06 i just need the browser to redirect to the https from http Jul 23 05:43:13 to make things easier Jul 23 05:43:28 i finally have wp going rather nicely Jul 23 05:43:45 have to make the tech one tho Jul 23 05:44:11 www.rancorous.net = testing... going to vhost tech.tancorous.n Jul 23 05:44:22 tech.rancorous.net soon Jul 23 05:44:54 wordpress is impressive for something that takes 2 mins to set up Jul 23 05:48:30 ServerAlias example.com Redirect permanent / http://www.example.com/ Jul 23 05:48:36 oops Jul 23 06:18:54 does anyone have a copy of /usr/share/applications/hildon/osso-xterm.desktop? Jul 23 06:19:21 * xnt14[n810] was messing around with hildon and it disappeared :P Jul 23 06:20:05 http://pastebin.com/f7eb8d6d3 Jul 23 06:20:21 thank you! Jul 23 06:22:33 yay! it works again!!! Jul 23 06:22:36 :P Jul 23 06:24:16 hmm Jul 23 06:59:38 hello? Jul 23 06:59:49 Stskeeps: you still around? Jul 23 07:00:50 Macer: in train on tablet. going to spain Jul 23 07:01:42 Stskeeps, you go by train ;-O Jul 23 07:01:53 * LinuxCode feels for your behind Jul 23 07:01:58 oh. never mind then Jul 23 07:01:59 heh Jul 23 07:02:23 can someone here test www.rancorous.net and tech.rancorous.net and see if they get to both? :) Jul 23 07:02:40 test how ? Jul 23 07:02:47 just go to them in a web browser Jul 23 07:02:59 if you have time to comment on the 1 post that is there too :) that would be awesome Jul 23 07:03:03 after that i'm golden Jul 23 07:03:12 hold Jul 23 07:03:21 LinuxCode: 3hr train to airport, 3hr flight, 3hr train to caceres Jul 23 07:03:34 ohhhh Jul 23 07:03:36 Stskeeps: what's in spain? Jul 23 07:03:45 spanish women ? :) Jul 23 07:04:05 Macer: debconf9 Jul 23 07:04:20 the secret lover you keep for 20 years until you enstranged wife finds out about her? Jul 23 07:04:24 oh Jul 23 07:04:28 nm then :) Jul 23 07:06:07 not really a guy who'd be capable of finding a lover ;). surprised enough i will be married Jul 23 07:06:12 Macer, there Jul 23 07:06:57 Macer, what for a blog is that ? Jul 23 07:07:16 well. that's just one Jul 23 07:07:25 tech.rancorous.net will be my tech one ;) Jul 23 07:07:33 and www is going to be my political one Jul 23 07:07:34 heh Jul 23 07:07:41 US politics tho so most euros wouldn't care about it Jul 23 07:07:45 political lol Jul 23 07:07:49 :) Jul 23 07:07:55 i am going to start my first blog off with Jul 23 07:08:16 why fascism would work if the fascist dictators of the past weren't evil men Jul 23 07:08:40 BUT.. for now i'm working on getting wordpress installed on a few vhosts ;) Jul 23 07:08:49 pretty awesome blog webapp Jul 23 07:08:49 does that apply to stalin too ? Jul 23 07:09:04 well. stalin was communist. but i suppose he could be considered a fascist communist :) Jul 23 07:09:06 why men are evil ? Jul 23 07:09:08 haha Jul 23 07:09:12 no Jul 23 07:09:13 ;-p Jul 23 07:09:15 more so towards hitler Jul 23 07:09:26 and if people could look past the fact that he was an evil murdering bastard... Jul 23 07:09:34 that they could see that there actually was some good done by him Jul 23 07:09:44 and germany advanced rather quickly under fascist control Jul 23 07:09:47 well, hitler himself didnt make everything evil, it was his cronies too Jul 23 07:10:03 i mean don't get me wrong Jul 23 07:10:14 had he won i'd be sent to a slave/death camp due to my impure blood Jul 23 07:10:22 but you have to give the man credit where it's due ;) Jul 23 07:10:25 it went that way, because Htler let them kill each other, survival of the fittest Jul 23 07:10:37 ehhh Jul 23 07:10:43 well. hitler was also quite paranoid Jul 23 07:10:45 Macer, I dont think so Jul 23 07:10:50 and constantly fighting off coups Jul 23 07:10:58 he deserves no credit for anything Jul 23 07:11:03 lol Jul 23 07:11:04 lol Jul 23 07:11:07 see Jul 23 07:11:16 that is the closed mindedness that plagues everybody Jul 23 07:11:19 you are correct about his paranoia, thats why he let them beat each other instead of him Jul 23 07:11:26 you never hear people saying such things about ghengis khan Jul 23 07:11:39 :) who also killed by the millions Jul 23 07:11:40 Macer, I speak German, I grew up in Germany, I studied the subject more than most Jul 23 07:12:03 Macer, it wasnt the killing itself, it was the philosophy behind those killings and the methods Jul 23 07:12:16 so killing isn't just killing? Jul 23 07:12:24 thats not what I meant Jul 23 07:12:32 and I didnt say that either Jul 23 07:12:35 persian armies would go through killing people by the hundreds of thousands.. what makes them any different? Jul 23 07:12:49 :) their idealogy was that the persian empire was the greatest Jul 23 07:12:52 they didnt create industrial killing machines Jul 23 07:12:59 and they had every right to kill everybody in their path Jul 23 07:13:19 LinuxCode: heh. yeahh i guess i can give you that much Jul 23 07:13:20 and use chemicals and develop chemicals to exterminate political and ethnic groups Jul 23 07:13:30 any killing is bad Jul 23 07:13:34 LinuxCode: only because they lacked the chemistry knowledge ;) Jul 23 07:13:41 for ethnic, religious or other reasons Jul 23 07:13:58 but see Jul 23 07:14:00 fact is, humans suck Jul 23 07:14:04 people always fixiate on teh mass murders ;) Jul 23 07:14:11 and not anything else that was done by hitler's germany Jul 23 07:14:12 bun ch of greedy mofos Jul 23 07:14:16 jealous Jul 23 07:14:18 etc.. Jul 23 07:14:23 oh i agree Jul 23 07:14:28 but once people hear hitler Jul 23 07:14:33 the ythink anti-semetic Jul 23 07:14:34 Macer, ok, so what did Hitlers Germany do thats good Jul 23 07:14:42 or they think "mass murderer" death camps Jul 23 07:15:05 LinuxCode: unified a country in the most horrible of economic states Jul 23 07:15:09 apart from rockets Jul 23 07:15:20 went from a horrible economy to a huge worldwide industrial powerhouse Jul 23 07:15:30 Macer, they were in a horrible state because they were made to pay for their previous war Jul 23 07:15:33 which they started Jul 23 07:15:41 + it was the whole world in a slump Jul 23 07:15:45 LinuxCode: true.. but. he still had to pull germany out of it ;) Jul 23 07:15:49 my grandad saled to Canada for that reason Jul 23 07:15:54 hitlers german was the first place where ecological conserveration and eco-laws were created ;) Jul 23 07:15:55 and couldnt get a job Jul 23 07:16:06 Macer, they borrowed money like idiots Jul 23 07:16:09 suihkulokki: thanks for jumping in there ;) Jul 23 07:16:15 this gives a new sound to the word "ecofascist", right :) Jul 23 07:16:17 it was finanical wrangling Jul 23 07:16:23 after the war Germany had nothing Jul 23 07:16:24 suihkulokki: haha Jul 23 07:16:28 ecofascist! Jul 23 07:16:32 hurry up and trademark it! Jul 23 07:17:03 (C) greenpeace Jul 23 07:17:05 and 90% of how they paid for war efforts, which created all the jobs, was by stealing jewish propeties etc.. Jul 23 07:17:18 or of other groups Jul 23 07:17:23 Social Democrats etc.. Jul 23 07:17:38 they stole factories, even a condom manufacturer Jul 23 07:17:45 LinuxCode: and from that nothingness.. a man worked his way into a political party... found a way to unify the nation.. and turned Germany from a disgustingly depressed economic civilization to a huge industrial powerhouse with the resources to fight almost the entire world at once Jul 23 07:18:04 i mean he lost .. but they did put up a good fight :) Jul 23 07:18:08 Macer, assuming they wouldnt have invaded France etc.. Jul 23 07:18:16 Germany would have gone bust after years Jul 23 07:18:20 assuming they didn't attack russia actually ;) Jul 23 07:18:28 Macer, where do you get this idea that it was all great ? Jul 23 07:18:34 lol Jul 23 07:18:40 Macer, get your facts straight Jul 23 07:18:45 hmm, MID could be Maemo Internet Device too Jul 23 07:18:49 lol.. i don't.. i just get the impression that it was better than it was before the rise of nazi power Jul 23 07:19:04 Macer, well, it seemed "better", it wasnt really Jul 23 07:19:09 it was an illusion Jul 23 07:19:20 well.. at least for the pure blood germans who supported the furer Jul 23 07:19:21 heh Jul 23 07:19:21 + a lot of Germans were against hitler, but didnt dare to speak out Jul 23 07:19:26 due to the brown shirts Jul 23 07:19:31 you would get beat on the street Jul 23 07:19:35 those damn brown shirts! :) Jul 23 07:19:38 maybe end up in a concentration camp Jul 23 07:19:46 Macer, PLEASE Jul 23 07:20:04 but i am not interested in the cruelness of nazis Jul 23 07:20:18 some advice mate, get your facts from history books not the inet Jul 23 07:20:24 * RST38h yawns Jul 23 07:20:25 LinuxCode: i will try ;) Jul 23 07:20:36 Macer: Of course it was better than BEFORE the rise of nazi power Jul 23 07:20:45 Macer: Germany has just lost the WWI Jul 23 07:20:47 but i'm not trying to think about the nazi cruelness. the goal will be to show what hitler's germany did that was good Jul 23 07:20:57 Macer: Just because it was "better" does not mean a thing Jul 23 07:21:01 Macer, PLEASE Jul 23 07:21:11 it seemed better, I told you that Jul 23 07:21:20 SO.. Pandora :) how is that coming along? Jul 23 07:21:26 if it wasnt for that smartarse banker hitler made Finance Minister or whatever you may call it Jul 23 07:21:39 who fiddled the figures and found money to build motorways etc.. Jul 23 07:21:44 and arms factories Jul 23 07:21:53 which put people in jobs Jul 23 07:22:05 they would have got kicked out by a revolt 3 years later Jul 23 07:22:30 so, let's talk about religion next... Jul 23 07:22:36 jjo, no thanks Jul 23 07:22:48 I dont like Religions whatsoever Jul 23 07:22:49 or editors ;) Jul 23 07:22:53 discuss.... Jul 23 07:22:55 without me Jul 23 07:22:57 * RST38h is always willing to talk about the Tentacled One Jul 23 07:22:58 bacon, anyone? Jul 23 07:23:17 * LinuxCode just dislikes it when people claim Hitler did good Jul 23 07:23:18 lets make bacon out of the tentacled one Jul 23 07:23:23 religion and politics, always good topics Jul 23 07:23:26 people who never properly looked into the history Jul 23 07:23:32 jjo, lol Jul 23 07:23:58 suihkulokki: http://www.e-blog.com.ua//data/storage/images/96414046e328b479d90694d6b05fc91e.jpg Jul 23 07:23:59 editors, operating systems and programming languages also work among geeks Jul 23 07:24:10 vim ftw btw Jul 23 07:24:15 jjo: i think we classify those religions Jul 23 07:24:46 :wq! Jul 23 07:24:55 heh Jul 23 07:25:26 2nd one was going to be the hybrid car and how creating the lithium batteries probably adds more disgust into the earth's atmosphere than any types of fossil fuel Jul 23 07:25:33 RST38h, loool Jul 23 07:25:41 whats that ? tuna can ? Jul 23 07:25:48 Lithium batteries are good though Jul 23 07:26:06 Just imagine them rapturing when you drive your car into a lake. Instant coolness. Jul 23 07:26:54 Linux: The inscription on the can says "herring" Jul 23 07:27:05 Linux: But of caourse we know better =) Jul 23 07:27:18 haha Jul 23 07:27:21 herring Jul 23 07:27:29 no wonder the person took a pic Jul 23 07:27:33 brilliant mate Jul 23 07:28:34 [08:25] 2nd one was going to be the hybrid car and how creating the lithium batteries probably adds more disgust into the earth's atmosphere than any types of fossil fuel Jul 23 07:28:39 probably got a point there Jul 23 07:28:48 would have ro research that Jul 23 07:28:51 to* Jul 23 07:29:05 Linux: We had a class back at the university (CHEM374? don't tremember) about this kind of stuff Jul 23 07:29:07 Macer, just please do me a favour, please research Germans history a bit better Jul 23 07:29:16 before you write something about it Jul 23 07:29:40 RST38h, about what exactly ? Jul 23 07:29:51 lithium in batteries ? Jul 23 07:30:07 Linux: Ecology impact of various technologies, with full technological cycles considered Jul 23 07:30:19 sounds interesting Jul 23 07:30:29 and what were the basic ideas ? Jul 23 07:30:53 Linux: The basic idea was that most of the stuff greens are telling you is wrong because it is shortsighted Jul 23 07:31:05 Id go along with that Jul 23 07:31:22 Linux: Once you consider total environmental impact, nuclear power wins by a huge margin for example Jul 23 07:31:34 We humans seem to think we know a lot, yet we know so little Jul 23 07:31:44 RST38h, well, Im pro fusion Jul 23 07:31:55 but thats expensive, and thats why Politicians dont like it Jul 23 07:32:11 Linux: no practical fusion based technologies yet, just fission based Jul 23 07:32:12 as it will take time and cost for the UK alone probably around 500 billion £ Jul 23 07:32:28 RST38h, yah, but if we hadnt dragged our feet Jul 23 07:32:36 maybe ITER would be up and running already Jul 23 07:32:37 Linux: Not known really Jul 23 07:32:43 and have been for 5-10 years Jul 23 07:33:00 Linux: Russians have been fiddling with Tokamaks for years, no success so far Jul 23 07:33:18 RST38h, many countries have, SOuth Korea , Germany, US , UK Jul 23 07:33:23 mnay more Jul 23 07:33:34 thats why everyone is froking money into ITER Jul 23 07:33:38 forking Jul 23 07:33:46 Linux: Does not mean it will succeed Jul 23 07:34:09 Linux: But even if it will, there is the heat pollution problem Jul 23 07:34:10 well, its the most prmising project yet Jul 23 07:34:40 Linux: When you make or spend electricity, lots of work goes into heating the atmosphere Jul 23 07:34:41 RST38h, im not a scientist in that field, but its our best hope Jul 23 07:34:59 greenpeace was distributing some spam here that the delay of the .fi nuclear plant is costing us "3billion eur" and that politicans are lying to us about nuclear costs Jul 23 07:35:18 Linux: So, no matter how you make it, with coal or nuclear power, you are still heating up your own atmosphere Jul 23 07:35:29 RST38h, could well be yes Jul 23 07:35:35 cooling water Jul 23 07:35:42 but then Im not a scientist in that field Jul 23 07:35:46 so who knows Jul 23 07:35:49 only problem.. that sum is from the fact that electricity is now more expensive than it would be if the nuclear plant was producing electricity to the grid now.. Jul 23 07:35:54 ;-} Jul 23 07:37:11 * LinuxCode would love to be involved with iter Jul 23 07:37:22 that be an awesome project to be part of Jul 23 07:37:24 ;-D Jul 23 07:40:53 Morning Jul 23 07:41:59 .oO( because of the resistance against building nuclear power, we have actually been buying nuclear electricity from russia ) Jul 23 07:44:08 Morning, all Jul 23 07:44:23 morning jaffa Jul 23 07:51:59 LinuxCode: :) Jul 23 07:52:02 www.rancorous.net Jul 23 07:52:02 haha Jul 23 07:52:11 have to work on research when i get the chance Jul 23 07:52:25 wordpress is pretty awesome Jul 23 07:53:00 Macer: Read Fatherland by Harris when you get a chance Jul 23 07:53:44 RST38h: ok. heh Jul 23 07:54:11 i promise i'll read it as soon as i get my touch book ;) Jul 23 07:54:17 hehe Jul 23 07:54:34 in fbreader Jul 23 07:54:46 with it attached to a metal place i put on my wall next to my bed Jul 23 07:55:04 to stick its magnetized surface onto Jul 23 07:58:23 heating the atmosphere isn't a problem unless there's something trapping the heat Jul 23 08:02:03 mavhc: Atmosphere is =) Jul 23 08:14:24 welp. overall i guess i can consider this apache+wordpress a success Jul 23 11:11:40 hi there. Jul 23 11:12:17 hi thopiekar Jul 23 11:12:28 does somebody know how the url is to get maemo-mapper working with google maps? Jul 23 11:12:55 maemo-mapper is just downloading old ones.. Jul 23 11:13:04 hi X-Fade Jul 23 11:14:30 * timeless_mbp wonders if anyone @HEL hasn't had lunch yet Jul 23 12:06:15 danielwilms: ping Jul 23 12:06:34 Jaffa: hi Jul 23 12:07:53 danielwilms: Remember we were talking about a wiki page describing ways to write your app to save battery; I'd appreciate any thoughts you can get on whether using focus and is_topmost is an adequate way: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-July/019941.html - there doesn't seem to be a good way of getting notified when your app on Maemo goes into the background :-( Jul 23 12:08:11 And (more importantly) when it comes back to the front again Jul 23 12:10:02 Jaffa: ok...I will look again at it...the discussion proceeded quite ok in the list, so that I was not so active afterwards as so many are on vacations...I will write a mail here internally around point on your wiki page...would that be ok?!? Jul 23 12:14:30 danielwilms: Perfect. There could be a trick that I'm missing, and having something authoritative from the people trying to save as much battery as possible would help :) Jul 23 12:16:10 Jaffa: that's definitely important!!!! Jul 23 12:52:59 hurry up, only 267 remaining places for the summit :P , lol Jul 23 12:55:04 VDVsx: Also a good excuse to go to Amsterdam :) Jul 23 12:55:29 Why else would one go there? :D Jul 23 12:55:45 X-Fade, lolol, really true :) Jul 23 13:36:29 Jaffa, alternatives to shorter battery life could involve, strategies for carrying car batteries, correct untangled looping of extension cables, angling of solar panels Jul 23 13:37:54 !!! we could even use, lemons pennies and nails! Jul 23 13:38:10 (mornin btw \o) Jul 23 13:38:30 potatoes work better Jul 23 13:38:44 lcuk, or onion's : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfPJeDssBOM Jul 23 13:39:22 VDVsx watching that vid made me cry :'( Jul 23 13:39:27 ahahah Jul 23 13:44:44 mmmm why doesnt this look right: http://topcultured.com/relationships/girlfriends-of-the-world-take-note/ Jul 23 13:47:35 probably means she threw something important out or broke something Jul 23 13:49:32 hi all Jul 23 13:49:40 need to get some help Jul 23 13:49:58 i have a 810 that I am trying to figure something out. Jul 23 13:50:26 I want to create an custom image Jul 23 13:51:17 but I don't know how to go about doing that. and I havent found any info on it Jul 23 13:54:20 for what? Jul 23 13:54:25 with the cam? Jul 23 13:54:29 background? Jul 23 13:54:34 for the 810 Jul 23 13:54:42 *sigh* Jul 23 13:54:46 not a picture image Jul 23 13:54:55 its the firmware (what you flash) Jul 23 13:55:20 what you want to customize? Jul 23 13:55:48 i have various dependencies that need to be installed for my application to run Jul 23 13:56:25 i want to modify the latest firmware to include these dependencies, so all i need to do is install my app Jul 23 13:56:49 bigglesworth, doesnt app manager ummmmmm manage to bring in dependencies Jul 23 13:57:47 ok... here is the situation. The company I work for uses the 810 and installs a particular application (created inhouse) and sells it to clients Jul 23 13:58:04 bigglesworth were is the problem? Jul 23 13:58:09 so what I would like to do is install everything except the application Jul 23 13:58:17 setup an inhouse debian-repos Jul 23 13:58:32 with all your deps Jul 23 13:58:44 if they arent in offical repos Jul 23 13:58:47 and when they sell something all that needs to be done is flash with the custom image and then install tha pp Jul 23 13:58:49 app Jul 23 13:59:14 A custom .install file can take care of that? Jul 23 13:59:18 bigglesworth, but the dependency problem is solved by app manager. woglinde just said it Jul 23 13:59:39 it sounds odd you are wanting all the hard work, AND THEN still wanting to install the app on its own Jul 23 13:59:56 thats fine, but I dont want to have to connect to the internet or any network to download all of these dependencys Jul 23 14:00:04 if you were going to the trouble of making and maintaining a custom image wouldnt it be better to install your app as part of it? Jul 23 14:00:11 your customers will Jul 23 14:00:17 and what hapepns when they want to reflash Jul 23 14:00:25 will they get the nokiaupdater Jul 23 14:00:32 or bigglesworth updater Jul 23 14:00:32 bigglesworth you put a debian repos on sdcard too Jul 23 14:00:37 +can Jul 23 14:00:53 yeah but thats not what i am looking for Jul 23 14:00:53 woglinde o_O thats a neat solution Jul 23 14:00:59 maemo using apt Jul 23 14:01:02 and dpkg Jul 23 14:01:14 so sources.list can handle file Jul 23 14:01:18 thats a really cool one actually, cos a reflash doesnt destroy the mmc1 Jul 23 14:01:19 bigglesworth: http://wiki.maemo.org/Modifying_the_root_image . (it will not make a bin, but, rather, a flashable jffs2 image which can only be flashed with flasher-3.0 under linux or flasher-3.5 beta under Windows) I've only ever made initfs jffs2 images and not rootfs images so I'm not the best person to ask for help Jul 23 14:01:22 isteand of http Jul 23 14:01:32 qwerty nah thats hell Jul 23 14:01:50 thats more of what I am looking Jul 23 14:01:58 And redistributing nokia binaries is not allowed. Jul 23 14:02:15 So that is not an option. Jul 23 14:02:31 not allowed to redistribute even if still part of the device itself? Jul 23 14:03:12 lcuk: Well, if you don't transfer it out of the device, I think you are safe. Jul 23 14:03:20 mind you, taking the binaries off and fudging with them on servers isnt on the device itself Jul 23 14:05:17 has anyone got usb-audio to work with Diablo Jul 23 14:05:18 to make it simpler to understand, when you work in the IT department you usually have a basic image for windows for new employees with everything standard that an average employee would use Jul 23 14:05:28 thats what I wanna do with the 810 Jul 23 14:05:57 bigglesworth: I think that should be ok. Jul 23 14:06:03 then the simplest is to obtain a stack of mmc cards, and set each device to "boot from mmc" Jul 23 14:06:11 just keep those updated with the latest live image Jul 23 14:06:13 not an option Jul 23 14:06:36 but a practical workable solution in most cases ;) Jul 23 14:06:58 that doesnt make you go up against everything, you can get image right on 1 device and copy to all you need Jul 23 14:07:05 bigglesworth: Why would your clients flash the device? Jul 23 14:07:11 yes, but from what I have read the device runs slow when booted from mmc Jul 23 14:07:26 bigglesworth: Eh? It should be a lot faster. Jul 23 14:07:28 eh? If anything, it's faster Jul 23 14:07:37 really Jul 23 14:07:49 yeah :) Jul 23 14:07:54 bigglesworth: A proper sd is a lot faster than the internal mmc. Jul 23 14:08:07 and if the mmc crashes then the stock image come back Jul 23 14:08:12 yeah Jul 23 14:08:14 And when not using jffs2, you don't have to uncompress things. Jul 23 14:08:44 ok... that might be the option. i was under the impression it was much slower Jul 23 14:08:57 hm as I said Jul 23 14:09:00 but thats good.... how do i start doing this option? Jul 23 14:09:07 putting local repos on sd Jul 23 14:09:10 ~boot-sd Jul 23 14:09:11 hmm... boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card Jul 23 14:09:37 so you can flash with official image Jul 23 14:10:23 ok thanks... i will definetly take a look at it. Jul 23 14:11:00 whats the best size sd to get for this? Jul 23 14:11:23 depends on whether you want more space or not Jul 23 14:11:38 2gb is reasonable even now, half for os, half for any extra data Jul 23 14:11:42 2 gig should be enough Jul 23 14:11:47 cool... Jul 23 14:11:47 and pricy Jul 23 14:12:14 have any of you guys done this process on vmware? Jul 23 14:12:24 what? Jul 23 14:12:28 bigglesworth, and you can keep customised cards around and just switch and reboot for them Jul 23 14:12:39 I have a vmware with maemo sdk and scratchbox Jul 23 14:12:41 old style amiga boot disks :D Jul 23 14:12:44 Cloning to SD is done from a tablet. Jul 23 14:13:08 you get your tablet image "just right" with all apps you want. then clone that one Jul 23 14:13:17 you can rinse/repeat as often as you like Jul 23 14:18:31 Where do the demos get made in the Qt build system? I can't find the word "qtdemo" in any build file, nor is there a Makefile generated in any *demo* directory... Jul 23 14:18:47 The build system for 4.5.0 fails non-deterministically, it's amazing. Jul 23 14:19:20 coldboot: demos and examples, I think, are defined in the configure line in debian/rules Jul 23 14:19:37 coldboot: Are you asking how to set it up so they don't build? Jul 23 14:31:43 fiferboy: The stupid build system says it can't find debian/tmp/usr/bin/qtdemo and craps out every time. So I'm wondering how to manually build it. Jul 23 14:31:50 This build system is some serious shit. Jul 23 14:38:00 coldboot: Does your debian/rules file have a variable in the config line for demosdir? Jul 23 14:40:09 fiferboy: /usr/lib/qt4/demos Jul 23 14:40:40 coldboot: Okay, that's the same Jul 23 15:00:09 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_nokia-binaries_explicit_armel/libcal-dev/0.2.5.m5/ how i download deb/tarball? Jul 23 15:00:31 slonopotamus: You don't. Jul 23 15:00:55 slonopotamus: You need to get a key for these closed binaries. Jul 23 15:01:30 binaries? it's just header files Jul 23 15:01:48 slonopotamus: It is still in the nokia binaries repository. Jul 23 15:02:19