**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 25 02:59:57 2009 Jul 25 05:46:52 hello, i would like to use "load applet" to activate swap space on my ext sd, but am having troubles figuring it out. anyone know? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/load-applet/ Jul 25 05:49:16 swap space as in a partition and not a swapfile Jul 25 06:00:50 It Jul 25 06:01:16 's hardcoded to only find /media/mmc2/.swap in /proc/swaps Jul 25 06:05:29 that applet (and the load-applet-run for OS2006) are suppose to mnt a swap partition as defined in the fstab ... swapon -a ? this way i can deactivate pop the card and than reactivate on the new card with out opening the console Jul 25 06:05:31 http://maemo.org/community/oldwiki/howto-createswap/ Jul 25 06:16:54 grrrr how do i tell which mmcblk1p* is which? Jul 25 08:41:21 wb qwerty12_N810 Jul 25 08:42:03 Thank you Jul 25 08:45:17 Morning, all Jul 25 08:45:30 morning jaffa Jul 25 08:49:49 mornin jaffa/sts/qwerty Jul 25 08:50:09 mornin' Jul 25 09:07:25 i cant use windows to do iphone development can i Jul 25 09:08:19 i think you need mac Jul 25 09:08:43 thats a bit crap lol Jul 25 09:08:57 isnt that what hackintosh is for ? Jul 25 09:09:06 but thats fake Jul 25 09:09:26 well, if they want to be nazis, for you to be bale to dev Jul 25 09:09:31 able* Jul 25 09:09:32 and doesnt really show the right face Jul 25 09:09:49 lcuk, then dont bother Jul 25 09:09:57 just pondering a few things :) Jul 25 09:10:21 * LinuxCode is fixing his system Jul 25 09:10:27 lcuk, vm with OSX inside windows Jul 25 09:10:40 like to do symbian dev in linux or mac :( Jul 25 09:10:41 but osx isnt licensable is it Jul 25 09:10:47 lcuk, yes Jul 25 09:10:52 150 € Jul 25 09:10:53 o_O Jul 25 09:10:55 here Jul 25 09:11:05 * lcuk waits for an apple.com link Jul 25 09:11:12 * LinuxCode too Jul 25 09:11:43 VDVsx, even maemo dev expects a vm ;) Jul 25 09:11:53 I thought that Mac OS X was only licensed for Apple computers. Not that I really care, but... Jul 25 09:12:09 \o/ yesssss i have image thumbnailing working Jul 25 09:12:30 lcuk, you having on liqbase again ? Jul 25 09:12:42 hacing Jul 25 09:12:46 god Jul 25 09:12:46 just left the import running for a bit and it worked Jul 25 09:12:46 lcuk, in windows and mac yes, so we are in the same foot ;) Jul 25 09:12:51 this stupid laptop battery Jul 25 09:12:55 I have to send it back Jul 25 09:12:59 hacking even Jul 25 09:13:03 laptop battery makes you do typos? Jul 25 09:13:08 qwerty12_N810, I guess you are right Jul 25 09:13:09 yes, I have both in Jul 25 09:13:17 it affects the keyboard Jul 25 09:13:20 electric shocks? Jul 25 09:13:25 if I remove the new one, its fine Jul 25 09:13:28 lcuk, possibly Jul 25 09:13:34 Im sending it back Jul 25 09:14:21 yeah, im hacking getting every single sketch and photo and screenshot in liqbase ever taken :) Jul 25 09:14:25 anyway, time for a shower while yum finishes the upgrade, it was meant to finish before it crashed on me Jul 25 09:14:46 lcuk, ;-} Jul 25 09:14:48 bbiab Jul 25 09:38:05 mornin wazd \o Jul 25 09:38:24 lcuk: heya Jul 25 09:40:52 wazd, ive been playing with multitouch again, and pondering some things. it appears as if the bottom right corner that i wanted to use has an issue Jul 25 09:41:22 if i press in that corner with thumb and use finger elsewhere, i get innacurate readings Jul 25 09:41:58 i tihnk its hardware - but it throws me out from wanting to use vertical position for changing list styling Jul 25 09:42:10 so im pondering a horizontal wipe :) Jul 25 09:43:01 lcuk: heh :) Jul 25 09:59:11 hello Jul 25 09:59:21 got a working ip-phone app for the n810? Jul 25 10:03:04 udovdh: you mean sip/voip? Jul 25 10:03:11 indeed Jul 25 10:03:29 udovdh: the one built in works fine, given you don't try to use it with ekiga.net account Jul 25 10:04:16 built in? hmm. must look again Jul 25 10:04:17 thanks Jul 25 10:31:15 hey Myrtti hows tricks now Jul 25 10:31:19 which country are you in Jul 25 11:07:57 is there a pc sip client that'll give me decent errors so I can work out why the voip system I'm connecting to isn't letting it connect? Jul 25 11:08:28 isn't letting, or isn't getting a connection? Jul 25 11:09:16 I suspect asterisk in client mode has proper error messages Jul 25 11:16:08 according to random things the cisco voip controller might do sip, there's a sip port open, but who knows Jul 25 11:22:58 lcuk: Finland Jul 25 13:58:15 interesting. Jul 25 13:58:38 multitouch list scaling works :) Jul 25 13:58:48 "multitouch" Jul 25 13:59:03 :) Jul 25 13:59:33 well the list works nicely when i use it with one hand, when i use CTRL type thumb modifier, it scales the list items Jul 25 13:59:53 (based on X position of second finger) Jul 25 14:00:06 releasing them makes it go back to being a normal list Jul 25 14:00:30 try sliding your finger quickly to trick it into multitouch detection Jul 25 14:01:03 but if i do it quickly it wont start and be sat in bottom corner not moving Jul 25 14:01:13 (which is the trigger for the starting point) Jul 25 14:01:26 "a fixed thumb" Jul 25 14:01:37 ah Jul 25 14:01:51 but anyway Jul 25 14:02:04 the multitouch tries to know that you have not broken the laws of physics Jul 25 14:02:13 the multitouch in liqbase is easily done with one finger Jul 25 14:02:42 resolution dependent :) Jul 25 14:02:48 heh Jul 25 14:03:17 anyway :) works now and i can tweak, capability is there for me to expand on properly Jul 25 14:03:28 nice Jul 25 14:15:47 qwerty12_N810: happen to know how to switch boot state in DSME? i mean, it should be possible since we can switch to non-charger-mode by holding down power at charging screen Jul 25 14:16:53 Stskeeps: Dunno. I use my writable bootreason patch and echo pwr_key to bootreason to make dsme think the tablet has been started with the power key Jul 25 14:17:54 qwerty12_N810: yeah.. i'm pondering if we should include that in mer kernel Jul 25 14:18:01 you have the patch anywhere? Jul 25 14:19:03 Should be on qwerty12.qole.org but it seems to be down ATM Jul 25 14:19:09 k Jul 25 14:20:03 bujaka! Jul 25 14:20:49 i know everyone is using VNC like mad for all their remote use needs, but i wonder if anyone here has been using X11 to the same effect? Jul 25 14:23:42 i should set up a proper network between asus eee and NIT, both running linux, with enough X11 and other real unix things between the machines Jul 25 14:24:45 ssh is a start, then comes X11 and filesharing with NFS, samba or whatever works best over wireless, perhaps flaky connections Jul 25 14:25:45 mace0: X11 remote apps should work just fine on NITs Jul 25 14:26:15 mace0: the trouble is that if the X11 connection breaks (due to flaky wireless or whatever) the remote X11 app gets *killed* Jul 25 14:27:23 suihkulokki: aha, and VNC is immunune to that? Jul 25 14:27:30 suihkulokki: hieno nikki muuten :) Jul 25 14:27:56 joo, vnc on immuuni sille :) Jul 25 14:32:52 hmm, what does vnc do if the connection drops? Jul 25 14:33:27 * mace0 is thinking Jul 25 14:33:29 nevermind Jul 25 14:33:46 i wanna try x11 anyway... i'll regret later Jul 25 14:34:18 nfs over wireless sounds like asking for trouble ;) Jul 25 14:35:16 one more thing: on N800, does the virtual keyboard work with x11? Jul 25 14:35:43 i remember i had trouble with that earlier (maybe a year ago), but i don't know if that has been cured since Jul 25 14:36:10 i've been quite frustrated with NIT all in all and got myself a netbook instead Jul 25 14:36:27 now i think n800 could be a nice companion for it. n800 alone doesn't suffice Jul 25 14:36:43 * mace0 likes to type a lot, if you didn't notice :) Jul 25 14:38:17 remote X11 apps and NIT VKB don't probably work well Jul 25 14:38:31 bugger Jul 25 14:38:42 the vnc client app comes with a built-in vkb if I remember correclty Jul 25 14:38:54 yeah that what i reckoned too Jul 25 14:40:00 i typically run a headless emacs under screen, and connect to it with emacsclient(1) and spawn a window over X11. that environment would be ok if the x11 window (and emacsclient) die Jul 25 14:47:51 shit, i don't want to invest to an n810 (or n900) before i get some value out of my n800, so better try vnc Jul 25 14:48:21 tcp/ip and x11 over bluetooth anyone? Jul 25 14:49:00 that's just wrong. but back in the day (with Athena Widgets, not GNOME and KDE), ppl used to run x11 over modems Jul 25 14:49:17 mace0: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN Jul 25 14:50:50 suihkulokki: lovely Jul 25 14:51:30 bt is much slower than wlan (duh), but otoh it will give you much better battery life Jul 25 14:53:07 yeah, that's what i have in mind Jul 25 14:54:06 i need to see if my ubuntu netbook can talk tcp/ip over bluetooth both towards the n800 in a private network and to the internet over my phone Jul 25 14:55:29 i might need to set up some virtual network devices and use a private address-space (192.168.*) between n800 and ubuntu Jul 25 14:56:11 i'm sure this will break my ubuntu netbooks gnome applets that handle the internet connection Jul 25 14:56:19 *sigh* Jul 25 14:57:47 i cannot be bothered to get all geeky, but would like to find some use for my n800 Jul 25 14:58:25 it's useless with netvibes.com (too heavy site) and n800 as a mere wlan-photoframe is pointless Jul 25 15:01:17 otoh, n810 costs 22020ac new, less second hand Jul 25 15:06:07 i'm outta here Jul 25 15:17:04 Who has experience with Windows to Wine migration that I can bug? Jul 25 16:23:35 wazd, i was mucking about with one of those monitors today Jul 25 16:24:20 lcuk: I'm trying to find a place to see HP live in here Jul 25 16:24:42 yeah, comet in the uk have them Jul 25 16:25:00 nice, but i was a bit disturbed about the stand, it didnt seem big enough Jul 25 16:26:19 lcuk: there are some good VESA stands, that will allow you to place the display in any position you want :) Jul 25 16:26:44 yeah i think if i get a new one ill get a big clamping one Jul 25 16:26:48 hello all Jul 25 16:26:48 so i can move it to the wall Jul 25 16:26:54 could I take some opinions on what kind of smart phone to buy? Jul 25 16:26:57 hi orangey \o Jul 25 16:27:15 iphone vs. android vs. pre vs. windows mobile seem to be the major options Jul 25 16:27:29 I'm a linux user, and obviously more free = better Jul 25 16:27:38 though I recognize of those four options, there's no truly free one Jul 25 16:27:43 if those are the options, what are you doing in a maemo chan? Jul 25 16:27:55 lcuk: People here share the same values I do Jul 25 16:28:09 and probably have had the same conundrum Jul 25 16:28:13 i dont, i think the options you have supplied are not optimal Jul 25 16:28:22 lcuk: what do you suggest? Jul 25 16:29:04 maemo and mer are viable free open options :) Jul 25 16:29:35 put whatever you want on them Jul 25 16:29:39 write your own Jul 25 16:34:05 lcuk: Which smartphones run maemo or mer? Jul 25 16:34:29 rather, which announced smartphones? Jul 25 16:34:54 openmoko runs mer Jul 25 16:35:15 dunno how well Jul 25 16:35:39 you are right tho, i missed your first comment, continue with the 4 flavors you had lol Jul 25 16:41:09 lcuk: I've been in here and at #mer asking for the past 6 mo if I should switch to Mer on my N810. Consistently, everybody tells me that it's not yet ready for prime time.. and my needs are minimal - good SIP and some kind of calendaring Jul 25 16:41:46 i understand entirely Jul 25 16:41:53 i also had a need for calendaring Jul 25 16:42:02 so i put my own take on it Jul 25 16:45:33 your own take? Jul 25 16:45:43 p.s., have you tried seqretary? Jul 25 16:45:44 amazing Jul 25 16:45:54 all it's missing is sync, and it'll be the best by far Jul 25 16:46:31 calendar shown in here Jul 25 16:46:32 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7qB37sLLo Jul 25 16:47:00 and as for syncing, i hope to have everything running smoothly v v v soon: http://liqbase.net/liqbase_net_preview.png Jul 25 16:52:56 lcuk you made seqretary? Jul 25 16:53:08 I wonder if there's any smart person to copy Palm's calendar app :) Jul 25 16:53:41 no orangey Jul 25 16:53:53 wazd, which bits in particular Jul 25 16:53:54 lcuk still using that youtube page eh? Jul 25 16:54:07 zakkm, just in relation to the calendar Jul 25 16:54:38 could never get that working for me Jul 25 16:54:41 it wouldnt save the note Jul 25 16:54:49 lcuk: every single bit :) Jul 25 16:54:50 lcuk: what is that? Jul 25 16:54:56 is that Mer? Jul 25 16:54:59 or fremantle? Jul 25 16:55:11 then why copy it Jul 25 16:55:22 cant you get a palm emulator? (i thought you could) Jul 25 16:55:28 lcuk: If you can't make better - vopy it :) Jul 25 16:55:30 for maemo? Jul 25 16:55:33 orangey, thats liqbase on diablo :) Jul 25 16:55:35 the palm emulator (garnet vm) is terrible Jul 25 16:55:45 or chinook Jul 25 16:55:48 or fremantle Jul 25 16:55:51 or ubuntu Jul 25 16:55:56 never heard of it.. time to try it out : ) Jul 25 16:56:20 heh work in progress for now so very rusty - the original liqbase is nice and stable tho Jul 25 16:56:22 is it in the regular reps, or garage? Jul 25 16:56:25 and what i started all the notes in Jul 25 16:56:51 i know you hate work in progresses lol Jul 25 16:56:57 but everything has to start somewhere Jul 25 16:57:14 heh. Jul 25 16:57:25 I don't hate them. it's just that I have to recognize their place. Jul 25 16:57:36 at this moment in my life, stability is more important than adventure Jul 25 16:57:43 my n810 is my primary phone Jul 25 16:57:53 yeah, i wont physically "release" liqbase until its ready Jul 25 16:58:07 its out there and in extras-devel, because thats what stage its upto Jul 25 16:58:32 awesome Jul 25 16:58:32 how is it your primary phone? Jul 25 16:58:39 zakkm: SIP Jul 25 16:58:43 in and out? Jul 25 16:58:49 I pay $5.95 for unlimited incoming Jul 25 16:58:52 callcentric.com Jul 25 16:58:57 my dad has free SIP Jul 25 16:59:01 he runs a SIP business lol Jul 25 16:59:04 heh ; ) Jul 25 16:59:06 which one? Jul 25 16:59:11 local Jul 25 16:59:19 well, I'd love to dump my sip provider Jul 25 16:59:24 he did it for fun, didnt really uhh how you say get popular lol Jul 25 16:59:25 it's always about picking compromises. Jul 25 16:59:48 :) compromise is what created liqbase itself Jul 25 16:59:49 gizmo5 works always, but has almost radio quality with half-duplex Jul 25 17:00:02 why not full-duplex? Jul 25 17:00:05 callcentric has excellent quality, but doesn't work half the time Jul 25 17:00:07 zakkm: no idea Jul 25 17:00:14 zakkm: but its quality is truly terrible Jul 25 17:00:18 my dad uses gizmo to call, also uhh some other app works Jul 25 17:00:29 its this weird one.. it has a picture of a phone on it.. you dial and then it owrks Jul 25 17:00:38 has linux support too so that was cool Jul 25 17:00:45 pure binary, like liqbase :P Jul 25 17:01:08 wazd, regarding manually cloning palm calendaring - find me a decent overview and mae sure the PIM page on wiki is updated if it doesnt contain enough already Jul 25 17:01:28 liqbase is all source Jul 25 17:01:29 orangey: people really pay 5.95 for unlimited incoming ? Jul 25 17:01:39 I do Jul 25 17:01:46 hah i didnt mean it like that Jul 25 17:01:53 wondering if i should try expanding it sort of thing Jul 25 17:01:58 what did your father charge? Jul 25 17:02:02 it was free Jul 25 17:02:06 it was very basic Jul 25 17:02:22 https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:PIM Jul 25 17:02:27 tried putting ads on the site and all itself Jul 25 17:02:29 lcuk: sorry but I really have no time for this :) Jul 25 17:02:52 * for instance, most todo items for me simply need a description, once they are on the list I know they need doing Jul 25 17:02:52 --lcuk 22:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC) Jul 25 17:02:56 XD Jul 25 17:03:09 indeed Jul 25 17:04:29 hm did I already said that pbuilder rockz? Jul 25 17:04:39 pbuilder? Jul 25 17:05:08 yeah for debian and ubuntu Jul 25 17:05:18 what does it do? Jul 25 17:05:25 sb2 uses some stuff similiar Jul 25 17:05:38 ahh package builder Jul 25 17:05:39 provides you a clean compile chroot Jul 25 17:05:55 without pollution of your hostsystem Jul 25 17:06:16 maemo online builder use it too I think Jul 25 17:08:07 zakkm, ive got that days notes up on screen now, as well as adding to the wiki i also made a load of things about evolution :P Jul 25 17:08:45 including one that says "multitple distinct views of the data tree" which is exactly what i am working on today! :D Jul 25 17:09:07 lol if only i knew what that means :D Jul 25 17:09:13 nice though Jul 25 17:10:33 it means using multitouch to allow switching between different list views dynamically :P Jul 25 17:10:46 we dont have multitouch? Jul 25 17:11:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJWvvn_cePM ? Jul 25 17:11:36 yeah i used to mess with that, it didnt actually work well ;p Jul 25 17:11:45 thats why its not a normal thing Jul 25 17:11:47 it was two touch Jul 25 17:11:49 not more Jul 25 17:11:53 but it works nicely for a CTRL key in the corner Jul 25 17:12:00 where the user is expected to keep it still ;) Jul 25 17:15:06 Why is the coreutils package missing md5sum? Jul 25 17:21:09 coldboot dont know, but I know the pitfalls Jul 25 17:21:15 with sb2 Jul 25 18:13:07 * lcuk rolleyes at children Jul 25 18:13:27 jake just dropped a big heavy diecast metal ambulance on his foot Jul 25 18:13:50 eek Jul 25 18:13:57 how old is jake? Jul 25 18:16:24 injured by an ambulance Jul 25 18:16:26 :/ Jul 25 18:21:06 lol gotta laugh...kids Jul 25 18:23:43 zakkm, 7 Jul 25 18:24:00 and yeah xci it didnt seem to make him cry any less when i told him there was an ambulance on scene Jul 25 18:36:31 lcuk: :) Jul 25 19:59:06 blah Jul 25 20:12:50 jeez, Rambo IV is one of the coolest movies I've ever seen :) Jul 25 20:25:59 wazd, doesn't that simply mean you haven't seen very many movies Jul 25 20:26:38 lcuk: nope, that means that Silver knows how to make good'ol bad-ass action movie :) Jul 25 20:27:21 but surely there has to be something better than r4 Jul 25 20:34:21 Predator FTW Jul 25 20:34:51 heh Jul 25 20:34:57 have to love named when it works correctly Jul 25 20:39:11 anybody here good with mysql? Jul 25 20:39:14 mysql> grant all privileges on wordpress.* to wp@localhost identified by 'wp'; Jul 25 20:39:20 the "identified by 'wp'; Jul 25 20:39:26 isn't the 'wp' the password? Jul 25 20:40:15 ieehks Jul 25 20:40:16 afaik yes Jul 25 20:40:45 I am at rails with typo no mysql and no php Jul 25 20:41:13 anyone any good with bootmenu failures? Jul 25 20:41:33 jakemaheu has installed it and a reboot goes to nokia screen and shutdown Jul 25 20:41:35 hmm Jul 25 20:41:41 hows the battery jakemaheu Jul 25 20:41:52 i think around 70% Jul 25 20:41:59 i can try plugging in the charger Jul 25 20:42:04 yes Jul 25 20:42:44 plugged in the carger Jul 25 20:42:47 nokia logo is on Jul 25 20:43:08 give it a sec Jul 25 20:43:43 it's just sitting on the blue nokia logo Jul 25 20:43:53 wait, it just restarted Jul 25 20:44:17 the screen flickered and it's still on the nokia screen Jul 25 20:44:53 it did it again Jul 25 20:44:59 i doubt it's charging Jul 25 20:45:17 hold down the various home, back, menu keys as it boots Jul 25 20:45:22 or restarts Jul 25 20:45:31 it's trying to do the boot sequence where it goes to the "battery charging" screen Jul 25 20:45:43 but can't load initfs it appears Jul 25 20:46:09 qwerty12_N810: you about? Jul 25 20:51:35 hmm you can use the linux flasher to only reflash initfs Jul 25 20:53:42 i know Jul 25 20:53:50 i have a copy of the diablo initfs too Jul 25 20:54:05 i'll try reflashing that for now and retry the install Jul 25 20:54:07 brb Jul 25 20:54:25 it's been months since I did this and it was seamless :( Jul 25 20:56:00 * jakemaheu hasn't even touched linux for months Jul 25 20:56:19 * jakemaheu feels stupid Jul 25 20:56:26 *g* Jul 25 20:56:30 * jakemaheu looks up flasher documentation Jul 25 21:01:27 mwahahaha Jul 25 21:01:48 i have ressurected my tablet form the dead Jul 25 21:01:55 how? Jul 25 21:02:06 ./flasher -f -n initfs.jffs2 -R Jul 25 21:02:07 dark, dark magic Jul 25 21:02:08 :D Jul 25 21:02:14 linux, baby Jul 25 21:02:24 everything is back to normal Jul 25 21:02:28 ok - so somehow it screwed up your initfs Jul 25 21:02:32 time to try again Jul 25 21:02:33 try again then... Jul 25 21:02:33 lol Jul 25 21:02:41 oh dear Jul 25 21:02:46 14.1% battery Jul 25 21:02:48 already? Jul 25 21:02:53 should prolly plug it in before i start Jul 25 21:03:12 and it's been on charge? Jul 25 21:03:16 endless reboots tend to kill a battery if it doesn't charge Jul 25 21:03:27 is it possible it shutdown during the flash? Jul 25 21:03:34 alright Jul 25 21:03:39 i doubt it Jul 25 21:03:41 lbt you better wont do it Jul 25 21:03:46 i'll do it and tell you what happens Jul 25 21:04:04 woglinde: ? Jul 25 21:04:06 i go into utils -> instal bootmenu Jul 25 21:04:37 2gb sd card is in internal slot Jul 25 21:04:46 * lbt watches ncurses build... again! Jul 25 21:04:47 close all apps: check Jul 25 21:04:54 disconnect from wifi: check Jul 25 21:05:00 lbt, surely it would be more fun watching nurses Jul 25 21:05:05 5mb free space: check Jul 25 21:05:13 (which is what i thought you said lol) Jul 25 21:05:19 in a tiny diecast ambulance... Jul 25 21:05:27 know how to reflash device: lol yeah Jul 25 21:05:31 :D hah Jul 25 21:05:42 aree you sure to continue: y Jul 25 21:05:42 it wasnt no matchbox car Jul 25 21:05:48 this was a big heffa Jul 25 21:05:55 create backup of current initfs: y Jul 25 21:05:57 serious ingot of solid cast iron Jul 25 21:06:16 ***creating backup + lots of text*** Jul 25 21:06:21 jakemaheu: still listening Jul 25 21:06:35 it's backing it up still Jul 25 21:06:39 jakemaheu, i cannot believe you have navigated the pathway Jul 25 21:06:51 ? Jul 25 21:06:57 thats some serious linuxfoo you are showing Jul 25 21:07:02 why thank you Jul 25 21:07:19 i can use a console easily enough, and i know some BASH scripting Jul 25 21:07:41 but for anything involving REAL progamming, i'd be screwed Jul 25 21:07:49 except for simple python >.< Jul 25 21:07:56 i use linux console like i play text adventures Jul 25 21:08:00 hm Jul 25 21:08:02 Never? Jul 25 21:08:09 i give up after about 5 commands and start seeing what swear words it knows Jul 25 21:08:23 i lol'd hard Jul 25 21:08:24 any of the mer guys here mind if i host some of your stuff? Jul 25 21:08:27 on tech.rancorous.net ? Jul 25 21:08:32 "press enter to continue" Jul 25 21:08:34 still working on it :) Jul 25 21:08:37 *presses enter* Jul 25 21:08:39 Macer: ? Jul 25 21:08:50 *** copying current initfs*** Jul 25 21:08:52 lbt: i won't get hit with an lgpl suit? Jul 25 21:08:54 Andrea, Jul 25 21:08:54 Sure, you can download an Outlook configuration file from rackspace that will configure outlook to connect to your mywinesdirect.com email account. If you don't have Outlook on your laptop you can download it from: https://owa.rackspace.com/Outlook2k3.zip Jul 25 21:08:57 if i put some mer stuff on there? Jul 25 21:08:58 I'm not sure if that link will work for you. Let me know if it doesn't. Jul 25 21:09:00 You can download the Outlook config file by clicking on "Manage My Account" on owa.rackspace.com when you are logging in. If you mouse over your email account name at the top of the page it will bring down a menu. Go to settings and select Outlook. That page has instructions one how to run the config file from different versions of Outlook. Jul 25 21:09:06 ah Jul 25 21:09:07 the perls of right click paste Jul 25 21:09:08 mmmm Jul 25 21:09:12 lol Jul 25 21:09:14 i'm still finishing the wordpress install Jul 25 21:09:14 :) Jul 25 21:09:18 sure Jul 25 21:09:26 what are you thinking of? Jul 25 21:10:01 oh nothing. just goign to put my favorite mobile apps on it Jul 25 21:10:05 figured mer should be on there ;) Jul 25 21:10:09