**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 26 02:59:58 2009 Sep 26 03:11:50 Hmm, odd, I can't get the onscreen keyboard or the auto-complete bar to open/display Sep 26 03:34:44 i can't get it to stop capitalizing my passwords Sep 26 03:35:18 bah, I think scim broke my onscreen keyboard Sep 26 03:36:03 scim? Sep 26 03:36:11 chinese character support Sep 26 04:34:26 hi Sep 26 04:37:10 moo Sep 26 04:39:07 hawe a qeston Sep 26 04:39:46 did exist some home scrin plug in like the internet radio Sep 26 04:40:03 buth to play the mp3 from GUI player Sep 26 04:56:28 ? Sep 26 04:56:50 bones just isnt that good anymore Sep 26 04:57:45 neither r u Sep 26 04:58:17 gentoo sucks Sep 26 04:58:22 :-P Sep 26 05:00:12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIiP7D3cg7Y&feature=response_watch Sep 26 05:00:43 watch this and pause on the 0:40 Sep 26 05:00:49 MaceN8x0: no way, I love it when glib changes and I have to re-emerge my entire OS Sep 26 05:01:06 wat is thet applet Sep 26 05:01:17 on the botton rigth Sep 26 05:01:46 under the clock applet Sep 26 05:01:47 ? Sep 26 05:02:31 is the applet for the FM radio on the 800 Sep 26 05:02:32 ? Sep 26 05:06:21 * RST38h moos Sep 26 05:06:43 * luke-jr 's MOO is down. Sep 26 05:31:00 vladovg: n800 comes with an internet-radio capable stream player - mediaplayer Sep 26 05:31:10 you can also get 'streamtuner' running on n800 iirc Sep 26 05:31:25 usually i just mplayer [url] for an http radio stream Sep 26 05:31:34 not sure what to do about mms:/// Sep 26 08:02:19 Good morning Sep 26 08:02:49 Hi all. Is there a better solution about a2pd on N810 now? Sep 26 08:05:40 Bensons. They breed. Sep 26 08:06:57 lol Sep 26 08:08:03 good morning Sep 26 08:10:01 I have a bluetooch headphones. But N810 doesn't support a2pd :( Sep 26 08:11:09 Nope, it doesn't. Sep 26 08:11:47 Someone had a solution but it was with 3rd party media players. I've never used it personally. Sep 26 08:12:09 Glad it's not a problem on N900. Sep 26 08:12:11 How can I use a2pd on N810? Sep 26 08:12:29 search for a2pd on tmo. Sep 26 08:12:45 tmo? Sep 26 08:12:46 The solution was there. Sep 26 08:12:49 talk.maemo.org Sep 26 08:13:15 "http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=111634" That's what I found. Sep 26 08:13:43 Yeah, that's it. Sep 26 08:14:09 It seems that CPU usage is ~50% at 320MHz! Sep 26 08:14:27 benson: You need lardman Sep 26 08:14:37 benson: And yes, it will waste your battery Sep 26 08:14:50 * RST38h uses HSP headphones with N810, they work Sep 26 08:14:59 Such is life. Battery's the main reason it probably wasn't done on the N810 orginally. Sep 26 08:15:04 Any mods around? This cunt set the topic to the same shit yesterday. Sep 26 08:15:04 originally. Sep 26 08:15:15 *OPs Sep 26 08:15:28 Ugh. Sep 26 08:15:33 qwerty: How can he set the topic not being an op? Sep 26 08:15:47 +t is not set Sep 26 08:15:56 Oh...Then set the fucking +t Sep 26 08:15:57 RST38h: Anyone can set the topic. Look at me - I'm changing it back and I'm not an op Sep 26 08:16:18 qwerty: and only enable setting topic through the bot Sep 26 08:16:20 zerojay: Is there a better solution? Sep 26 08:16:27 benson: Not that I know of. Sep 26 08:16:47 RST38h: And is there a better solution? Sep 26 08:16:50 benson: there are exactly two solutions, one uses cpu, another uses dsp (lardman's) Sep 26 08:17:02 benson: neither is perfect, both will suck the battery dry Sep 26 08:17:29 qwerty: Can infobot ban the bastard? Sep 26 08:17:37 RST38h: infobot can't do shit Sep 26 08:17:47 RST38h: Where can I find lardman's solution? Sep 26 08:17:49 Bad, bad idea not to have a bot here Sep 26 08:17:50 Does no one have control over ChanServ? Sep 26 08:17:59 benon: talk.maemo.org, google Sep 26 08:18:04 OK Sep 26 08:18:12 * RST38h has no idea how it works on freenode Sep 26 08:18:30 GeneralAntilles: X-Fade Jaffa can you ban this numpty please? Sep 26 08:18:46 On EFNet or IRCNet, the channel bots would already ban the guy Sep 26 08:19:11 RST38h: you tend not to get so much arseholery here Sep 26 08:19:45 ccooke: Still, having security never hurts Sep 26 08:21:42 Problem with this is, it kills discussion :-/ Sep 26 08:22:07 ccooke: doesn't, unless you get a ban-happy admin Sep 26 08:22:34 RST38h: no, I mean the fact that the channel's full of topic change Sep 26 08:23:20 ah that...yes Sep 26 08:23:38 so... do we know anyone with access to chanserv here? Sep 26 08:23:41 How do I look up the names of network admins? Sep 26 08:23:45 there should be at least one person Sep 26 08:23:54 RST38h: /msg chanserv access #maemo list Sep 26 08:23:58 aha Sep 26 08:24:31 so ccooke is the asshole in here? Sep 26 08:24:40 No, that would be Cut-R :) Sep 26 08:24:42 Not good... Sep 26 08:24:43 tank-man: Uh.. no. Sep 26 08:24:54 He's changing the topic to the same on #lisp. Sep 26 08:25:02 it's some bot Sep 26 08:25:49 Oh, incidentally, if this chan is looking for OPs that are actually awake, I'm available Sep 26 08:26:00 if only there were a way to stop people changing the topic Sep 26 08:26:15 There is but only an op can enable topic protection. Sep 26 08:26:18 qwerty12: if you op yourself, you can deal with the bot, then Sep 26 08:26:31 qwerty: you know what to do. Sep 26 08:26:40 ccooke: No, my English sucks... I meant that if #maemo needs new OPs Sep 26 08:26:42 sorry, did I not use the sarcasm font? Sep 26 08:26:46 ahh Sep 26 08:27:23 god i slept on my ear so its burning like ive spent a whole day in the sun without any sunscreen Sep 26 08:27:41 We need one of: GeneralAntilles, Jaffa, X-Fade Sep 26 08:27:50 those are the names on the bot's list Sep 26 08:27:57 oh, and freenode-staff Sep 26 08:28:26 isn't there like a #feds chan where one could get help? Sep 26 08:28:32 (there are a few others too, but they're hostmasks - no nicks) Sep 26 08:28:50 usually, yes. I'm looking up its name on freenode Sep 26 08:28:52 Maybe one could ask in #freenode Sep 26 08:29:27 btw: list ops: /msg ChanServ ACCESS #foo LIST Sep 26 08:30:43 I let them know in #freenode Sep 26 08:31:03 when an op arrives they'll deal with it Sep 26 08:31:33 lbt: feel free to change it back to the old topic Sep 26 08:31:48 lbt, etc in here: when an op arrives, have them set the channel +t Sep 26 08:31:52 explain to them what happened Sep 26 08:32:09 sorry Sep 26 08:32:13 i guess we need more ops Sep 26 08:32:15 topic change fight? Sep 26 08:32:16 lol. Sep 26 08:32:23 thanks ErrantEgo Sep 26 08:32:31 3 out of 300ppl is pretty few Sep 26 08:32:41 lbt: np Sep 26 08:32:48 slonopotamus: there are more, I just don't recognise the nicks Sep 26 08:32:50 hehe Sep 26 08:33:03 we've yet to see any other complaints.. Sep 26 08:33:09 and I don't have the screen space for the who commands right now:-) Sep 26 08:33:14 Cut-R: you should knock it off. Sep 26 08:33:21 ErrantEgo: They were doing the same in #lisp, but there was an op there. Sep 26 08:33:21 ah ErrantEgo, that's the problem; he just changes it right back Sep 26 08:33:51 you want an ircop Sep 26 08:34:05 given that Cut-R is changing the topic exactly once per minute, I'd call it a bot... Sep 26 08:34:21 mavhc: freenode staff arent allowed to actively do anything in a channel without them being on the channel's access list Sep 26 08:34:22 once every 30 sec Sep 26 08:34:50 same problem in #ubuntu Sep 26 08:34:51 ErrantEgo: can't you invite them here Sep 26 08:35:00 kline the user for spamming, triv Sep 26 08:35:03 its steve ballmer, he is mad about win mobile Sep 26 08:35:03 aquatix: not unless time's running faster for you than everyone else :-) Sep 26 08:35:04 aquatix: the staff can join under their own power Sep 26 08:35:21 aquatix: however, they arent allowed to do anything in such channels unless they are on the access list Sep 26 08:35:30 ErrantEgo: they're onthe list herwe Sep 26 08:35:49 /msg chanserv access #maemo list Sep 26 08:35:56 hm Sep 26 08:36:01 09:27 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- 10 freenode-staff +voOtsriRfAF Sep 26 08:36:05 yeah, wasn't specifically talking about using /invite , but i thought maybe if they are here, they can change things Sep 26 08:37:03 that's just fail. Sep 26 08:37:33 i suggest increasing number of ops to 5% at least after this incident is fixed Sep 26 08:37:48 slonopotamus: good call. Sep 26 08:38:01 ccooke: i was just made aware that freenode-staff != *@freenode/staff/* Sep 26 08:38:13 hehe :) Sep 26 08:38:17 ah, how useful Sep 26 08:38:45 ccooke: so, to have them be able to do things in here, *!*@freenode/staff/* needs to be added Sep 26 08:38:54 ehehe Sep 26 08:39:13 anyway is there some special channel where freenode staff stays? Sep 26 08:39:18 okay, then. can someone with more screen space do the list command I used and check the other six ops? one might be around but not looking at channel Sep 26 08:39:25 They can still k-line the cunt, right? I mean he seems to be insulting Freenode; not Maemo... Sep 26 08:41:20 ccooke: i did a /who on the complete masks and didnt get any hit Sep 26 08:42:16 This reminds me of a new movie trailer I saw, the invention of lying. This is like cut-r has invented spam in here, the first guy to do it Sep 26 08:42:35 *sigh* Sep 26 08:42:42 this isn't helping Sep 26 08:42:44 i second that *sigh* Sep 26 08:43:04 * ErrantEgo shrugs Sep 26 08:43:06 i know... Sep 26 08:43:08 ok, i am backlogged and laggeed Sep 26 08:43:10 theres not much more you can really do until an op shows up Sep 26 08:43:18 heh Sep 26 08:43:26 Cut-R: get a fucking life. Sep 26 08:43:28 open invite to #mer ;) Sep 26 08:43:28 Cut-R: do your fucking homework. Sep 26 08:43:31 Okay. Has anyone messaged the ops we *do* know about? Sep 26 08:43:39 (don't want to do it more than once) Sep 26 08:44:08 ErrantEgo: what command sets the channel +t ? Sep 26 08:44:08 i do know its got to be a kid. Sep 26 08:44:14 email his isp with threats of libel Sep 26 08:44:21 /mode #maemo +t Sep 26 08:44:22 adults with a brain in their head wouldnt do something like this Sep 26 08:44:27 frals: ta Sep 26 08:44:31 * ErrantEgo nods at frals Sep 26 08:44:32 Though it's not a support channel, you're most likely to find freenode volunteers on the staff social channel, #defocus. Sep 26 08:44:38 maybe that helps/ Sep 26 08:44:39 ? Sep 26 08:44:42 Some other time, I would say flood him off the Net, but it no longer works Sep 26 08:44:44 ErrantEgo: I like your optimism and wish I had cause to share it. Sep 26 08:44:51 aquatix: staff coverage is light right now Sep 26 08:44:53 because of the time of day Sep 26 08:44:59 Flooding a cable connection will be problematic Sep 26 08:45:00 it's almost noon :P Sep 26 08:45:08 but indeed :( Sep 26 08:45:10 here, its going on 5 AM Sep 26 08:45:18 yeah, i know Sep 26 08:45:23 Heffalump is right, we need more ops Sep 26 08:45:24 not really, but it's not a great thing to suggest Sep 26 08:45:43 Or, alternatively, more ChanServ users Sep 26 08:47:12 hey Myrtti :) Sep 26 08:47:37 ohai Gary Sep 26 08:47:52 it may be better to leave the topic Sep 26 08:48:17 id say so as well Sep 26 08:48:32 Gary: so you came to see the turmoil Sep 26 08:48:41 yeah, the big original topic makes the conversation scroll offscreen quick Sep 26 08:48:42 oh :D Sep 26 08:48:49 and there was much rejoicing Sep 26 08:48:50 yay Sep 26 08:48:52 * Myrtti huggles Gary Sep 26 08:48:53 asshat. Sep 26 08:49:17 well, that's a relief Sep 26 08:49:25 indeed Sep 26 08:49:40 good job on the arrow-up-enter buttons people :) Sep 26 08:49:57 it makes a mess out of the channel though Sep 26 08:50:01 if only nokia chat had that Sep 26 08:50:01 thats the only down-side Sep 26 08:50:02 true Sep 26 08:50:02 :( Sep 26 08:50:19 KILL KILL DESTROY Sep 26 08:50:42 RST38h: no crushing? Sep 26 08:50:54 no *pussycats* ? Sep 26 08:51:02 *g* Sep 26 08:51:09 *rolleyes* Sep 26 08:51:11 preceding your next question, no rape either Sep 26 08:51:24 lbt: there will always be time for pussycats. Rest assured. Sep 26 08:51:28 oi... my cat is watching... Sep 26 08:51:35 heya lardman Sep 26 08:51:36 morning Sep 26 08:51:39 * lbt wiggles cursor to distract her Sep 26 08:51:44 you missed all the action Sep 26 08:51:45 you missed all the fun, lardman Sep 26 08:51:56 hmm, shall I check the logs then? Sep 26 08:52:13 not worth it Sep 26 08:52:43 if you want entertainment, check out the tmo thread with Eldar coming out of the closet Sep 26 08:53:03 oh, cut-r again? Sep 26 08:53:43 hmm, not sure I can stomach tmo at this time of the morning Sep 26 08:54:08 it is entertaining though, at least for an armchair shrink Sep 26 08:54:19 lardman: Looking at the time, that doesn't say much... :p Sep 26 08:54:47 weekend :p Sep 26 08:55:18 at least I thought it was.... Sep 26 08:55:58 * RST38h is dumping several gigabytes of logs Sep 26 08:56:51 RST38h: burn them if they are dry Sep 26 08:57:10 * qwerty12 will blame RST38h for the breakdown of Moscow's sewage system Sep 26 08:57:20 Yes...but first, some coprology... Sep 26 08:57:21 lol Sep 26 08:57:34 lol Sep 26 08:57:34 ah, tmo here I come.... Sep 26 08:57:54 qwerty: Been done just this morning, right next to the Kremlin Sep 26 08:58:22 qwerty: I am afraid the jet was lower than the natural gas one (in May) and less spectacular Sep 26 08:58:32 yuck Sep 26 08:58:33 hehe Sep 26 08:58:47 sure it was pretty craptacular is you were nearby ;) Sep 26 08:58:56 s/is/if Sep 26 08:59:00 Ok, ok, it was just a water main Sep 26 08:59:02 the typos start afresh Sep 26 08:59:10 *going through 30 topics of unread posts* I knew it was too early to go to bed last night! Sep 26 08:59:14 Don't get your hopes too high Sep 26 08:59:20 ah ok, I was thinking a methane + other "stuff" explosion from the sewer Sep 26 09:01:43 pages and pages..... Sep 26 09:01:57 just limit yourself to eldar thread Sep 26 09:02:06 in terms of hilarity it beats the rest Sep 26 09:05:33 lol Sep 26 09:05:35 here we go again Sep 26 09:05:37 ;-) Sep 26 09:06:15 Standley: don't evade bans. Sep 26 09:06:43 how do you ban him? Sep 26 09:06:49 says I need to be a channel op to do that Sep 26 09:06:56 lardman: Normally you would have to have an op for that Sep 26 09:07:00 Or ChanServ access Sep 26 09:07:15 or even better work our his ip and send a ping of death Sep 26 09:07:23 When General or Jaffa or XFade are online, we should ask them to add more people to ChanServ Sep 26 09:07:25 and angel if the ping doesn't work Sep 26 09:07:34 lardman: No longer works, this has been years ago Sep 26 09:07:40 also, noone has any idea what the hell you're complaining about Sep 26 09:07:48 works again in Win7 so I hear Sep 26 09:07:53 not the same one mind you Sep 26 09:08:31 ah Sep 26 09:08:44 well DoS then :) Sep 26 09:08:56 but angel of death sounds equally good Sep 26 09:09:14 I think he is using cable IP, so DOSing will be a problem Sep 26 09:09:17 Gary: Standley Sep 26 09:09:25 lardman: I've got some tools here, I'll try them with your IP first, tell me if they work Sep 26 09:09:31 oi! Sep 26 09:09:32 qwerty12: :D Sep 26 09:09:39 qwerty12, :D Sep 26 09:09:43 please don't suggest DoSing anyone :-( Sep 26 09:09:56 in public Sep 26 09:10:02 yes, in public... Sep 26 09:10:07 * lardman picks up his bag of "tools" and gets on the train to London.... Sep 26 09:10:11 wrongdoings of others do not justify yours Sep 26 09:10:18 Gary & jayne <- ALL STAFF OF FREENODE ARE PEDOPHILE !!! FREENODE IS NOT FREENODE BUG JAILNODE OR TRAPNODE !!! WARNING !!! Sep 26 09:10:21 Gary & jayne <- ALL STAFF OF FREENODE ARE PEDOPHILE !!! FREENODE IS NOT FREENODE BUG JAILNODE OR TRAPNODE !!! WARNING !!!! Sep 26 09:10:23 Gary & jayne <- ALL STAFF OF FREENODE ARE PEDOPHILE !!! FREENODE IS NOT FREENODE BUG JAILNODE OR TRAPNODE !!! WARNING !!! Sep 26 09:10:26 Gary & jayne <- ALL STAFF OF FREENODE ARE PEDOPHILE !!! FREENODE IS NOT FREENODE BUG JAILNODE OR TRAPNODE !!! WARNING !!!! Sep 26 09:10:28 Gary & jayne <- ALL STAFF OF FREENODE ARE PEDOPHILE !!! FREENODE IS NOT FREENODE BUG JAILNODE OR TRAPNODE !!! WARNING !!! Sep 26 09:10:30 Hmm, this thing is a not a bot Sep 26 09:10:34 boring Sep 26 09:10:41 Not human either, so yes, boring Sep 26 09:10:43 RST38h: it is a bot. Sep 26 09:10:56 just one that's configurable, I think Sep 26 09:11:03 well, after that overwheling evidence I'm convinced Sep 26 09:11:16 ccooke: If someone is configuring it every 30 seconds, then it is not a bot =) Sep 26 09:11:25 wow that sentence he spammed did not make any sense until i replaced the 'bug' with a 'but' :P Sep 26 09:11:49 if you only say something once it's obviously not true, but if someone repeats it a lot it must be, I learned that watching american news Sep 26 09:11:54 I wonder who the vendetta is against Sep 26 09:12:03 RST38h: We could have a long philoophical discussion about where you draw the line between bot and not-bot... Sep 26 09:12:10 lardman: The World! Sep 26 09:12:11 lardman: Freenode. HTH, HAND Sep 26 09:12:23 and Gary and Jayne of course Sep 26 09:12:36 lardman: As it often happens, it may simply be the lack of sex Sep 26 09:12:37 what did I do :'( Sep 26 09:13:11 Gary: Badmouthed the Lord of Darkness? =) Sep 26 09:13:36 Gary: you killed him Sep 26 09:13:40 Gary: you bastard! Sep 26 09:13:40 ccooke: My stand is that anyone not able to maintain conversation on an arbitrary topic is a bot Sep 26 09:13:40 ;p Sep 26 09:13:56 ccooke: This, of course, makes large swath of US population bots. Sep 26 09:14:00 or a bit thick Sep 26 09:14:01 lol Sep 26 09:14:05 RST38h: I'd point out that this would rule out many tech... oh, you said it Sep 26 09:14:16 ccooke: Not that tech... Sep 26 09:14:22 not ONLY, I meant Sep 26 09:14:44 (tech: was to be technically) Sep 26 09:14:53 Ah Sep 26 09:15:42 * RST38h wonders if BeyondCompare can handle 2GB+2GB of logs Sep 26 09:17:17 maybe you need beyondbeyondcompare Sep 26 09:18:56 I have got the super duper Perl script for that Sep 26 09:19:25 I wonder what a /kline ErrantEgo would do Sep 26 09:19:35 OH NOES Sep 26 09:19:44 * ErrantEgo hides Sep 26 09:22:44 I'm losing the will to live reading about Eldar or whatever his name is Sep 26 09:23:52 wasn't he an elf or something? Sep 26 09:25:04 then ignore it Sep 26 09:25:13 I have Sep 26 09:25:23 apart from mentioning it :P Sep 26 09:25:27 and worryign Sep 26 09:25:30 and needing more wine Sep 26 09:25:33 am looking at SU-33W now Sep 26 09:25:37 o_O Sep 26 09:25:44 nah, just commenting Sep 26 09:25:58 ofc :D Sep 26 09:26:27 * lcuk2 thinks lardman feeds the trolls bacon :P Sep 26 09:26:32 i know i do Sep 26 09:26:45 BACON! Sep 26 09:26:53 lardman: this has to be builtin =) Sep 26 09:26:54 nah, given up feeding trolls Sep 26 09:27:00 lcuk2: This is the food product that you're referring to, right? Sep 26 09:27:07 RST38h: support for it you mean? Sep 26 09:27:13 no, the hw Sep 26 09:27:31 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D98VWrApW4M Sep 26 09:27:32 it's BT isn't it? Sep 26 09:27:40 yerga posted about pyrecipe Sep 26 09:27:44 it is an extra gadget in your pocket. has to be builtin Sep 26 09:27:47 and bacon is high on list Sep 26 09:28:05 RST38h: "should be" you mean? Sep 26 09:28:52 lardman: or ought to be Sep 26 09:28:56 hmm, no DVB-H near my anyway Sep 26 09:28:58 is there some sort of batsignal call together method that i could get people with n900s into one place Sep 26 09:29:00 RST38h: ok Sep 26 09:29:06 i dont know who would come to such a thing Sep 26 09:29:07 lardman: same here, no dvb-h Sep 26 09:29:23 lcuk: You know there is Sep 26 09:29:51 do i ? which irc channel then i wonder Sep 26 09:30:18 lcuk: I know how to do it Sep 26 09:30:33 /join #n900-preview-users Sep 26 09:30:40 lcuk: Ask qwerty to port XChat to Fremantle =) Sep 26 09:30:41 RST38h: By asking Eldar? ;p Sep 26 09:30:53 qwerty: By asking YOU! Sep 26 09:30:55 ;) Sep 26 09:31:22 "help me qwerty 13, you're my only hope" Sep 26 09:31:27 :O 13 Sep 26 09:31:30 qwerty: And specially for Fremantle port, set /quit messages to "IRCing from N900 right NOW" Sep 26 09:31:32 he grew up Sep 26 09:31:37 lololol Sep 26 09:31:39 Let'em wonder Sep 26 09:31:58 RST38h: You port it, you know what you're doing :p Sep 26 09:32:02 Actually increment the 900 number every month by 10 Sep 26 09:32:23 qwerty: I am comparing 4GB of VAX execution traces. Sep 26 09:32:40 A straight build of the Diablo version suffices for me; with the amount of menu options it has, good luck making it use a HildonAppMenu instead Sep 26 09:32:55 RST38h, the problem with that is Sep 26 09:33:04 qwerty: Forget hildonappmenu, just use a stackablewindow Sep 26 09:33:21 the n900 wont ever quit Sep 26 09:33:31 qwerty: btw, VGBA options miraculously fit hildonappmenu, just barely Sep 26 09:33:45 Cool Sep 26 09:34:00 With Transmission, I just removed a ton of them and put them on the toolbar/tap and hold menu Sep 26 09:34:08 but 1-2 more options and I will have to get perverse Sep 26 09:34:17 The HIG did say after all for me not to "repeat myself" :p Sep 26 09:34:36 qwerty: Old style menus also work, they are just not as cute Sep 26 09:34:55 I'm not so keen on them in Fremantle, I must admit Sep 26 09:35:12 yea, whoever designed the UI for Fremantle was...mmm...wrong. Sep 26 09:35:23 After using my N800 and N810 with a stylus all the time, not having to use one with the N900 is nice Sep 26 09:35:50 but the layouts!!! Sep 26 09:36:27 I mean, the idea was to find a solution that maximizes screen estate usage while allowing for finger input Sep 26 09:36:51 They solved #2 all right, but the number #1 got completely forgotten in the process Sep 26 09:37:44 #1 is probably let down with dialogs and the response buttons for it being on the right, but there's ways around that Sep 26 09:38:16 like not using the dialogs yes Sep 26 09:38:27 the appmenu is also guilty of ignoring #1 Sep 26 09:38:34 Precisely ;) Sep 26 09:38:51 qwerty: I have got an idea of how to stick XChat menus into appmenu Sep 26 09:39:10 qwerty: Hildon has got that horizontal "filter" control Sep 26 09:39:36 qwerty: Use it as the top level of the menus, and change the actual menu when the filter is changed Sep 26 09:40:23 The menu closes when you select a filter, however. It's a bit anal-retentive to have to keep opening it up again :) Sep 26 09:41:09 oh Sep 26 09:41:29 maybe if you do it quickly, nobody will notice? =) Sep 26 09:42:27 Heh. True, that could probably passed off... Sep 26 09:42:37 +be Sep 26 09:49:26 ive got too many icons on my desktop Sep 26 09:50:43 qwerty12, btw, more northern accent Sep 26 09:50:44 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r8JJkDv7hw Sep 26 09:51:08 oh god Sep 26 09:51:12 :D Sep 26 09:51:18 no subtitles either Sep 26 09:51:56 and i use my stylus :O Sep 26 09:52:09 heh Sep 26 09:52:32 my god it has portrait mode usage too Sep 26 09:52:32 :D Sep 26 09:54:20 oh crap, ive gotta find a function i wrote a lonnnnnnng time ago Sep 26 09:57:41 when I pass a gstreamer bus message, does it make a copy of the data I'm passing through it? Sep 26 09:57:56 i.e. shall I then free the string I'm trying to pass? Sep 26 09:58:25 usually yes Sep 26 09:58:45 but if it crashes, no Sep 26 09:59:00 useful as ever :p Sep 26 09:59:05 ie, just try it Sep 26 09:59:13 you are normally in control of your own allocation Sep 26 09:59:14 yeah Sep 26 09:59:27 and when functions get strings they expect to deal with themselves Sep 26 09:59:39 they usually make copies Sep 26 09:59:45 * lcuk2 nods Sep 26 10:00:00 lardman, what docs say? Sep 26 10:00:11 slonopotamus, dont swear :P Sep 26 10:01:41 slonopotamus: dunno, will take some digging for GStreamer, will look in a bit Sep 26 10:02:02 just thought I'd ask and see if anyone happened to know Sep 26 10:07:51 eldar thread OLOLOLOL Sep 26 10:08:17 mass pwnage? Sep 26 10:09:37 a catarsis! Sep 26 10:20:00 Hi! Sep 26 10:21:26 hi igagis \o Sep 26 10:21:32 beta-testing of new theremin release is going on, thanks to testers a number of bugs was fixed, now version 1.4.0-4 is available in extras-devel, there I added 2 new instrument voices: Trombone and Clarinet. You are welcome to beta-test! Sep 26 10:21:43 lcuk: hi :-) Sep 26 10:22:04 igagis, which backend does theramin use Sep 26 10:22:07 * lcuk cannot remember Sep 26 10:22:13 it's ALSA Sep 26 10:22:39 does that work on fremantle Sep 26 10:22:53 but I have thoughts to transfer all sound stuff directly to DSP because currently synthesis eats much processor resources Sep 26 10:23:00 I did not try it on fremantle Sep 26 10:23:38 did you push it to fremantle autobuilder when you sent it up Sep 26 10:23:47 no I did not Sep 26 10:24:04 I'm not even sure it will compile for fremantle without some tweaks Sep 26 10:24:22 damn! Sep 26 10:24:30 do you want to try with the next one Sep 26 10:24:36 and then at least you will know Sep 26 10:24:47 when you do, drop into here and shout me, or #liqbase Sep 26 10:25:13 well, I will definetly try compiling for fremantle someday (I think it will be soon) Sep 26 10:25:31 just try ticking fremantle next time you send to autobuilder Sep 26 10:25:32 ok, I will have you in mind Sep 26 10:25:37 ok Sep 26 10:25:40 no problem Sep 26 10:25:40 it will not make the others fail if fremantle doesnt work Sep 26 10:25:55 yes, sure Sep 26 10:26:05 and you can read the error report and see if its something trivial :) Sep 26 10:26:12 you never know - it might just work too ;) Sep 26 10:26:23 by the way, main feature on 1.4 release is that it allows listening other players who currently plays Sep 26 10:26:43 that was what i said about ages ago :D excellent Sep 26 10:26:43 lcuk: yes, you are right, it worth trying Sep 26 10:26:56 :-) Sep 26 10:27:18 we were doing some instrumentless jamming the other day Sep 26 10:27:25 couple of weeks ago now Sep 26 10:27:27 mm time flies Sep 26 10:27:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 Sep 26 10:27:32 but at this time I have not much people registered on server, so it is hard to catch someone playing currently Sep 26 10:28:59 there was a musician at the onedotzero event who it might be good for you to speak with :) Sep 26 10:29:06 lcuk: cool, what is that? is that just a music player with visualizations? Sep 26 10:29:29 the visualization is liqflow - its completely dynamic and the flow is created with finger strokes Sep 26 10:29:53 so you draw and its pulled along Sep 26 10:29:54 cool, and the music is playing is mp3? Sep 26 10:30:06 and the pulsing occurs because of the accelerometer detecting drumming on the desk Sep 26 10:30:09 yeah Sep 26 10:31:02 what is the third device which differs from other two? is that a dev-sample of N900? Sep 26 10:31:24 what different device? Sep 26 10:31:36 they are all the same Sep 26 10:32:13 o the vide there'are two N900 from left and right and on top of them the third which is slightly different Sep 26 10:32:42 * lcuk shrugs Sep 26 10:32:51 The fugly one is a dev unit, yes Sep 26 10:34:08 qwerty12: cool Sep 26 10:35:24 mmm scaling of colorcube is wrong Sep 26 10:44:50 Hmmm...Someone is reporting the first N900 in ovi store Sep 26 10:44:58 n900/n900 game Sep 26 11:00:31 lcuk: I've just pushed theremin to fremantle autobuilder, will see how it goes :-) Sep 26 11:00:52 cool! Sep 26 11:01:20 hopefully we can get some feedback with it Sep 26 11:03:01 btw igagis this is a presenation i gave a couple of weeks ago showing liqbase on n900 Sep 26 11:03:02 http://mynokiablog.com/2009/09/15/video-nokia-n900-presentation-with-gary-birkett-and-liqbase/ Sep 26 11:04:13 lcuk: liqflow is also your creation, right? Sep 26 11:04:29 yeah Sep 26 11:04:38 i explain it in the presenation Sep 26 11:04:49 it responds really nicely to accelerometer Sep 26 11:05:07 and wherever you draw it creates dynamic gravity waves Sep 26 11:05:07 it looks cool Sep 26 11:05:18 yeah you have only seen a tiny bit with big flows Sep 26 11:05:23 it gets really intricate :) Sep 26 11:05:28 :-) Sep 26 11:05:46 it uses OpenGL directly or do you use Clutter or something? Sep 26 11:05:55 uses liqbase Sep 26 11:05:57 runs on n810 Sep 26 11:06:11 liqbase can now also create standalone apps :) Sep 26 11:06:27 it does not use 3d graphics? Sep 26 11:06:43 nope Sep 26 11:06:53 not yet at least Sep 26 11:06:59 i see Sep 26 11:07:08 is it available for download on n810? Sep 26 11:07:28 yeah the playground is in extras-devel, its a bit raw at the moment tho Sep 26 11:07:38 im not the best coder im just trying to mould ideas with it Sep 26 11:07:51 everything i show in the presentation is there Sep 26 11:07:58 ok, I see Sep 26 11:08:13 I will check it out ;-) Sep 26 11:08:14 and pretty much everything runs well on n810 - cos thats where i designed and optimized it Sep 26 11:08:39 it just runs even better on n900 :D Sep 26 11:08:53 * lcuk huggles his shiny slick fremantle device Sep 26 11:09:09 * lcuk sends aSIMULAter a txt message too :P Sep 26 11:09:32 I've got to go now, bye Sep 26 11:09:37 cya later igagis Sep 26 11:09:42 have fun Sep 26 11:15:25 please upvote this proposal :P http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=334172&postcount=243 Sep 26 11:15:28 robot wars! Sep 26 11:17:01 * qwerty12 looks for the "Anti-Thanks!" button Sep 26 11:17:43 * lcuk sends crashanddie_ round to say Thanks! to you personally Sep 26 11:22:54 * crashanddie_ puts on his anti-riot gear before heading to qwerty12's area Sep 26 11:23:16 lol Sep 26 11:23:25 qwerty will kick your ass Sep 26 11:23:41 hrmh Sep 26 11:23:44 hes like the anti-governator Sep 26 11:23:55 hi Myrtti (K) relaxed this morning? Sep 26 11:25:06 * lardman goes mad with pointers to pointers Sep 26 11:25:38 lcuk: I need to go yank the umbilical cord a bit at mums before flying to UK in a week Sep 26 11:25:52 not too intrested, but I guess it has to be done Sep 26 11:26:03 you could tie it onto the plane Sep 26 11:26:09 and stretch it across europe Sep 26 11:26:25 ...until lcuk decides to have it fried Sep 26 11:26:35 its not bacon ffs Sep 26 11:26:44 lcuk: 6 weeks is a long time to stretch it Sep 26 11:27:40 * SpeedEvil passes lcuk a pack of bacon-cure, with instructions. Sep 26 11:28:56 bah, I should pack my bag Sep 26 11:30:53 really Sep 26 11:30:59 * lcuk packs about 10minutes before leaving Sep 26 11:31:22 yeah, I've got 20minutes Sep 26 11:31:44 thats ok then Sep 26 11:31:47 pack twice :D Sep 26 11:32:19 lcuk: Forget the brain, think of the Weaponry! Sep 26 11:32:27 yeah i know Sep 26 11:32:36 but we have official reason to make Pusher robots Sep 26 11:32:45 they will protect us from the terrible secret of space Sep 26 11:33:00 and hopefully wont push grandma downstairs Sep 26 11:33:31 * RST38h tries think of some practical use of N900 Sep 26 11:33:43 We have covered barcode scanners already, right? Sep 26 11:33:49 a bit Sep 26 11:34:07 How about the whole package delivery system? With barcodes, touch screen notes, signatures, and GPS? Sep 26 11:34:24 save the alligator, save the world. http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/80752886/ Sep 26 11:34:46 that comes later i think and would be sponsored by fedex ;) Sep 26 11:35:10 talking about barcodes ;) http://maemo.pastebin.com/m50b954ad Sep 26 11:36:00 lardman: Now make it go to Amazon and BUY BUY BUY! :) Sep 26 11:36:12 * RST38h laughs demonically Sep 26 11:36:14 how come google doesnt know isbn Sep 26 11:36:29 it knows ean Sep 26 11:36:40 the 13 digit codes are actually eans Sep 26 11:36:48 isbn is 10 digit Sep 26 11:36:49 yeah it came back with no results for either Sep 26 11:37:06 you just searched for that barcode? Sep 26 11:37:09 yeah Sep 26 11:37:40 ahhh, had to disable safe search "how to improve your sex life with goats" Sep 26 11:37:42 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chickenhawk-Robert-Mason/dp/0552160989/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1253965053&sr=8-1 Sep 26 11:38:17 :p Sep 26 11:38:23 :D Sep 26 11:38:25 lcuk: I hear that's a bestseller in the north Sep 26 11:38:42 yeah north east london Sep 26 11:39:20 I'm from the east, so... Sep 26 11:39:31 ah, segfault with QR and dmtx and I have to go into town :( Sep 26 11:39:49 not a prob simon! progress at least is great Sep 26 11:39:56 yeah Sep 26 11:39:58 tata kids Sep 26 11:40:02 take pictures of as many barcodes as you can Sep 26 11:40:06 c ya Myrtti Sep 26 11:40:11 cya Myrtti Sep 26 11:40:22 lardman, different things you think you want scanning Sep 26 11:40:26 you can post process later Sep 26 11:40:28 ;) Sep 26 11:40:56 oh no, I just meant I have to go so can#t fix it now Sep 26 11:40:59 * lcuk will try barcode reading from the la sensa modelling show later Sep 26 11:41:07 just take the camera Sep 26 11:41:12 and take pictures Sep 26 11:41:29 test cases in different situations Sep 26 11:41:39 they will help you to see how easy it is to use :P Sep 26 11:41:42 mornin javispedro \o Sep 26 11:41:58 morning Sep 26 11:42:10 heya javis Sep 26 11:42:23 * lcuk sussed how to get nokia binaries working on sdk :) Sep 26 11:42:35 lcuk: you're trying sdk!! Sep 26 11:42:37 now this is news. Sep 26 11:42:41 ;) Sep 26 11:42:44 errr Sep 26 11:42:56 no - i just took the deb blah blah line from my scratchbox install Sep 26 11:43:02 which includes my key thingy Sep 26 11:43:12 and it works on non emulated armel too :) Sep 26 11:43:22 oh Sep 26 11:43:24 So, "SDK" is your device? >.< Sep 26 11:43:33 LDK Sep 26 11:43:41 Lcuk Development Kit lol Sep 26 11:43:47 Losers' development kit? Sep 26 11:43:51 :D Sep 26 11:44:15 * lcuk changes the install message Sep 26 11:46:21 * lcuk is pleased to see liqbase colorcube reappearing Sep 26 11:46:27 its been too long Sep 26 11:47:38 Next time round, will it reappear with the correct spelling of "colour"? :) Sep 26 11:48:08 Only if you ask for a special favoUr Sep 26 11:48:26 lcuk: shame on you Sep 26 11:48:28 And lcuk is in his best behavioUr. Sep 26 11:48:38 Sure: lcuk, I will arrange it for you to get out of the shithole that is the north Sep 26 11:48:38 lbt mmn? Sep 26 11:48:50 colorcube .... tssk tssk Sep 26 11:48:54 haha - you really should stop complaining about the north Sep 26 11:49:12 without it, we wouldnt have finland, and without finland you wouldnt have a bloody nXXX Sep 26 11:49:36 infact, we wouldnt have irc either Sep 26 11:49:42 cos that was invented in oulu Sep 26 11:50:01 * lcuk is northern and proud :) Sep 26 11:50:14 * qwerty12_N810 is northern and not proud Sep 26 11:50:20 (could someone subtitle that rant please) Sep 26 11:50:30 noUrthern Sep 26 11:50:33 =) Sep 26 11:50:58 im actually bored and tired and cold Sep 26 11:51:00 if you're proud of where you live you haven't studied history enough Sep 26 11:51:06 and i have no cash to buy bacon Sep 26 11:51:09 so, being a northern is more frowned upon in this channel than being an Android user? Sep 26 11:51:26 mavhc, the first computer came from manchester Sep 26 11:51:51 no such thing Sep 26 11:51:54 javis: "user" was unnecessary in that sentence Sep 26 11:51:56 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Computer_(Manchester) Sep 26 11:52:38 "It was a second-generation computer" Sep 26 11:52:47 It says "supercomputer" Sep 26 11:52:47 damn wrong link Sep 26 11:52:49 that was later Sep 26 11:52:49 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Mark_1 Sep 26 11:53:01 not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Small-Scale_Experimental_Machine ? Sep 26 11:54:13 lcuk: Only the Mancunians could make such an anal thing Sep 26 11:54:20 * javispedro lols at yesterday's #maemo-pedo story Sep 26 11:55:59 ? Sep 26 11:56:05 The Z3 thus became the first functional program-controlled, all-purpose, digital computer, 1941 Sep 26 11:56:17 RST38h: Cut-R Sep 26 11:56:22 ah Sep 26 11:56:33 Colossus was the first totally electronic computing device, 1943 Sep 26 11:56:35 because it happened today for me =) Sep 26 11:56:49 Today was pt. 2 :) Sep 26 11:57:05 ah, today's story. Sep 26 11:57:08 (reading logs) Sep 26 11:57:29 we should all move to a xmpp conference rom Sep 26 11:57:33 s/rom/room Sep 26 11:57:53 The Atanasoff-Berry Computer was the world's first electronic digital computer, 1939 Sep 26 11:58:43 etc etc Sep 26 12:00:05 :D mavhc isnt history great Sep 26 12:00:23 we have had so many advancements and the acceleration that occured in those decades was fascinating Sep 26 12:01:54 * javispedro whistles Blackadder tune Sep 26 12:04:26 i still dont know how i could make use of 3d to obtain the rendering stuff i need Sep 26 12:04:39 it recursively includes sections from the rest of the system as required Sep 26 12:04:46 uh? Sep 26 12:04:50 like thumbnails are just rerenders of the live stuff Sep 26 12:04:56 a Sep 26 12:05:05 at a different scale Sep 26 12:05:07 you can do that, but I don't know what the performance will be Sep 26 12:05:12 lcuk: that's not uncommon Sep 26 12:05:14 not recursively i cant Sep 26 12:05:24 and besides - it can render itself in a thumbnail Sep 26 12:05:26 Mario Kart's 64 "tv screen" comes to mind Sep 26 12:05:37 lcuk: and portal Sep 26 12:05:47 of course Sep 26 12:05:58 * lcuk loves portal Sep 26 12:06:45 it just boggles my mind that it can render itself in the scene before its rendered all of its self Sep 26 12:06:51 its fractal and hurts head to ponder Sep 26 12:08:35 i was reading up about pixel and vertex shaders and stuff Sep 26 12:08:56 the idea I guess to just render multiple times Sep 26 12:08:57 and i cannot create new geometry with them (i think there is one, but it will be limited by memory i believe Sep 26 12:09:08 most of the time it doesnt need it Sep 26 12:09:24 but when im scrolling down an introspective tree of the universe Sep 26 12:09:31 theres a thumbnail of the treeview im using Sep 26 12:09:32 :) Sep 26 12:09:34 and its updating Sep 26 12:09:59 it works fine using the liqbase renderer Sep 26 12:10:14 cos that simply renders until theres no pixel left to render onto Sep 26 12:10:31 smaller scale == much quicker == lots of little things happily even on n8x0 Sep 26 12:10:41 i think there are two ways to do "that" Sep 26 12:11:27 one is to render the scene many times with varying clipping/stencil Sep 26 12:11:45 the other is to do what the compositor does (color buffer to texture or something like that) Sep 26 12:11:47 yeah, it has clipping already Sep 26 12:11:54 thats gonna take lots Sep 26 12:12:07 look @ this: its one of the tests of the engine i did in feb Sep 26 12:12:07 http://liqbase.net/liq.20090216_004545.lib.scr.png Sep 26 12:12:27 bottom right is the recursive desktop Sep 26 12:12:30 i can just zoom into it Sep 26 12:12:37 and its fully live and everything else works Sep 26 12:12:41 and includes its own desktop Sep 26 12:13:08 and it carries on to infinity :$ Sep 26 12:13:29 like infinity? Sep 26 12:13:34 you'd have a logic to stop Sep 26 12:13:40 like when the area to render < 1x1 Sep 26 12:13:47 the renderer stops Sep 26 12:13:53 but i can click zoom as far as i want Sep 26 12:14:01 well, not any more - i stopped that Sep 26 12:14:07 ive got a max dive depth Sep 26 12:14:09 yeah Sep 26 12:14:19 but limit yourself to a scene (where talking about the renderer) Sep 26 12:14:27 sa/where/were Sep 26 12:14:35 yeah so in 3d i build up a texture Sep 26 12:14:39 s/were/we're/ Sep 26 12:14:39 javispedro meant: sa/where/we're Sep 26 12:14:46 but that bottom right needs to have a texture of the thing im building Sep 26 12:15:24 btw, there is a glitch in that matrix Sep 26 12:15:32 the clocks show different times Sep 26 12:15:45 not a glitch, but because you're rendering it on the fly Sep 26 12:15:49 cos the outside rendering occured a little before the inside one Sep 26 12:15:49 thus that may happen a guess Sep 26 12:16:34 what I'd do (for example): render the deepest calculated one, reset renderer, render the deepest - 1 one, etc, render the top one Sep 26 12:16:52 which is probably what you're doing already with libliqbase Sep 26 12:16:59 but how do i know which is which - each tile on the topmost might contain anything else Sep 26 12:17:07 and its only once i render it do i know Sep 26 12:17:13 its just pointer math in the liq* renderer Sep 26 12:17:17 and it "just works" Sep 26 12:17:36 well, i don't see how it can work in the opposite direction. Sep 26 12:17:42 (start rendering the topmost) Sep 26 12:17:43 me neither Sep 26 12:17:50 I meant! Sep 26 12:17:52 which is why im scratching head about using the 3d Sep 26 12:17:57 well, i don't see how it can't work in the opposite direction. ;) Sep 26 12:18:20 i would have to do a full render scan first and build up a list of all cells needing rendering Sep 26 12:18:32 then render them in the order required Sep 26 12:18:39 dependency trees Sep 26 12:18:49 per frame Sep 26 12:19:01 well. Sep 26 12:19:19 i can see a few ways so far. Sep 26 12:19:51 will take learning more about the powervr :) Sep 26 12:20:10 to see how capable and feasible it is Sep 26 12:21:08 and opengl Sep 26 12:21:11 yeah Sep 26 12:21:27 a path will show itself Sep 26 12:21:35 even if it involves restricting renderdepth Sep 26 12:21:45 lcuk: but you already do :) Sep 26 12:21:57 yeah Sep 26 12:22:06 but if i did the same with opengl and stuff Sep 26 12:22:10 i would run out of memory Sep 26 12:22:17 cos what scale would i render each cell to Sep 26 12:22:20 what I don't know is if you're gonna get any extra performance Sep 26 12:22:27 at the moment, no matter how detailed the scene is Sep 26 12:22:31 unless you want opengl to do weird rotations to cells Sep 26 12:22:33 i only ever render maximum 800*480 Sep 26 12:22:36 transitions, etc. Sep 26 12:22:47 * lcuk nods Sep 26 12:22:53 that is the *only* reason :) Sep 26 12:22:59 :) Sep 26 12:22:59 i have strong need for rotation Sep 26 12:23:11 well, going to eat something, cy Sep 26 12:23:23 k javis, bon appetite Sep 26 12:30:04 Ehhehehe Sep 26 12:35:22 hiya thp \o Sep 26 12:45:13 slowly getting there http://www.flickr.com/photos/51025379@N00/3954922955/in/set-72157622287431773/ (real push button in the Lego) Sep 26 12:45:43 nice keesj ! Sep 26 12:46:26 i dont think your concept will get on a plane tho lol Sep 26 12:46:53 ha Sep 26 12:46:59 * lcuk loves the lego kit tho Sep 26 12:47:05 the bomb you mean? Sep 26 12:47:07 indeed Sep 26 12:47:10 yeah Sep 26 12:47:39 I guess I need to keep is all lego, the nice thing is that I can first make it for the N800 and modify it after Sep 26 12:47:56 yeah Sep 26 12:48:11 its sweet tho and practical Sep 26 13:13:09 re Sep 26 13:13:16 * javispedro unsubscribes from eldar's thread Sep 26 13:23:39 Hi huys, I just bought a N800, I took the red pill, got root and everything, I'd like to know wich version of Maemo I'm using. A "uname -a" gives me "Linux Nokia-N800-43-7 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Tue Oct 14 11:25:25 EEST 2008 armv6l unknown". Is this the so called OS2008? Sep 26 13:26:19 Silveira_Neto: check about product Sep 26 13:31:37 Stskeeps, there's some menu or comand line where I can see that? Sep 26 13:31:57 hey Stskeeps thought you were offline all weekend Sep 26 13:31:58 control panel Sep 26 13:32:00 or justcant resist Sep 26 13:32:12 lcuk, relaxing after a day out Sep 26 13:32:19 Stskeeps, ok, thx, I will check now. Sep 26 13:32:25 * lcuk nods Sep 26 13:32:44 Silveira_Neto: and compare with wiki.maemo.org/Codenames Sep 26 13:33:36 5.2008.43-7 Sep 26 13:33:41 december 2008 Sep 26 13:33:51 good =) Sep 26 13:35:29 I'd like to develop some basic hello-world applications to it, and after something using SDL, so I need to compile them using that enviroment using qemu, right? Sep 26 13:37:30 yeah Sep 26 13:37:35 err Sep 26 13:37:44 rnot necessarily qemu - scratchbox Sep 26 13:38:35 http://maemo.org/development/ Sep 26 13:54:50 or control pannel -> about product Sep 26 13:56:41 :D jonathan coulton is comin to manchester Sep 26 13:56:45 shame i cant afford it Sep 26 13:57:47 Poor guy. Has anyone told him what he is letting himself in for? Sep 26 13:58:05 yes! Sep 26 13:59:34 he's so famous now he's out of your price range? Sep 26 14:00:00 no, now i havent got a job hes out of my price range Sep 26 14:00:14 lily allen also playing :'( Sep 26 14:00:28 why oh why did i have to lose job when cool folks are coming up this way Sep 26 14:00:35 Now she should move to Manchester Sep 26 14:00:40 haha Sep 26 14:00:51 Fuck, man, her voice pisses me off Sep 26 14:00:59 * lcuk has her on full volume now Sep 26 14:01:01 the fear Sep 26 14:02:26 * SpeedEvil sics Florence and the Machine on qwerty12_N810. Sep 26 14:02:35 * SpeedEvil turns Drumming Song up to 11. Sep 26 14:03:20 getitaway!getitaway! Sep 26 14:04:54 just wait until the next day and they'll be 117 iphone video recordings of it on youtube Sep 26 14:05:10 How could i load maemo5 into a nokie N85? Sep 26 14:05:47 By selling the N85 and buying the N900 when it comes out, whenever that is Sep 26 14:05:59 ha ha Sep 26 14:06:32 mavhc, recordings of what Sep 26 14:06:40 n900 is out of my budget thats why i asked Sep 26 14:06:46 and if i get to either concert i will hopefully post vides from n900 :P Sep 26 14:07:14 i am sure you load maemo5 into n85 Sep 26 14:07:21 no. Sep 26 14:08:49 iluminator101, where did you read that? Sep 26 14:08:57 cos thats a small limited device Sep 26 14:10:21 * lcuk would love to try maemo on n97 tho Sep 26 14:10:31 Also, considering that the N85 has no touchscreen and all, it would be interesting to try and use it on an N85 :) Sep 26 14:10:42 its got accelerometer! Sep 26 14:10:42 when is n900 available in us Sep 26 14:10:49 * lcuk shrugs Sep 26 14:10:50 dunno Sep 26 14:11:01 no fixed release date announced yet i believe Sep 26 14:14:53 i thought it was out Sep 26 14:15:08 thp, scrolling for the sake of it is silly. thank you Sep 26 14:15:16 where can you buy them from? Sep 26 14:15:43 if you save up for n900, at some point your savings and the n900 price will intersect Sep 26 14:17:44 Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Splitted.zip.001 so downloading this and part 002 yields a working vmdk? Sep 26 14:18:00 i think so Sep 26 14:18:07 zip has spanning Sep 26 14:18:15 Is N900 usb capable of powering external devices (e.g. USB-flashstick) when in hostmode? Up to which max current? Sep 26 14:18:24 iphone vs n900 http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/9eyag/nokia_n900_vs_iphone_3gs_specs_side_by_side/?sort=new Sep 26 14:19:03 heh. Sep 26 14:19:07 the n900 has no usb host mode. Sep 26 14:19:19 Or rather - it has no officially working host mode. Sep 26 14:19:33 Exactly if it can be configured to do host mode is a matter of debate AIUI Sep 26 14:19:49 I still don't know if its a software thing or not Sep 26 14:20:00 SpeedEvil: seems that's been same with N810? Still N810 can power up to 100mA afaik Sep 26 14:20:14 n810 has official usb OTG available Sep 26 14:22:36 The closest thing to an official statement is ambiguous if all that will be needed is cable and external hub - or if it's not possible at all. Sep 26 14:23:03 yeah. Sep 26 14:23:12 and being the pessimist I am. Sep 26 14:23:14 well. Sep 26 14:23:32 logical ostmode should always be possible Sep 26 14:23:32 bah Sep 26 14:23:35 you are not a pessimist Sep 26 14:23:45 realist ;) Sep 26 14:23:53 electrical that's a different story Sep 26 14:24:16 good lock if the controller doesn't cooperate Sep 26 14:26:39 otoh, I (and most people) used to think that the usb port on t|x era palms was hardwired to the gadget-only PXA port. Sep 26 14:26:50 and it wasn't. Sep 26 14:27:22 that was kinda a surprise :P Sep 26 14:29:17 I guess the SoC USB port is capable to do its part of OTG, no? So its just a question of auxilary chips like 5V supply and possibly pullup/down Sep 26 14:29:45 that is a reasonable guess Sep 26 14:35:14 * javispedro fears the mention of "hw bugs" Sep 26 14:35:46 javispedro: SoC bigs? Sep 26 14:35:51 bugs Sep 26 14:36:09 not sure. I'd pray not. Sep 26 14:36:17 yes Sep 26 14:36:39 only thing you can do for SoC Sep 26 14:36:46 ;-) Sep 26 14:37:33 * luke-jr ponders if SoC manufacterors, upon learning of a post-production SoC bug, make it available at a discount with that feature "removed" Sep 26 14:37:51 I seem to remember there was a chip bug for Samsung S3C6400 USB2.0 :-/ Sep 26 14:39:45 on the other side, the pandora & beagle board are using the same SoC series, and the same twl4030 Sep 26 14:40:05 afaik. Sep 26 14:40:20 beagleboard yes, afaik too Sep 26 14:40:59 no idea if BB supports OTG though Sep 26 14:41:07 or pandora Sep 26 14:41:27 pandora should. Sep 26 14:41:34 otg is slightly different from just doing host mode though Sep 26 14:41:44 yes, I know Sep 26 14:41:51 http://pandorawiki.org/USB_reference Sep 26 14:41:53 has botha Sep 26 14:41:58 a pure host and a otg one Sep 26 14:42:13 hey Sep 26 14:42:18 so probably no chip bug Sep 26 14:42:45 the pandora doesn't charge from usb Sep 26 14:42:51 well, it does trickle charge Sep 26 14:43:35 (i mean, no > 500mA stuff) Sep 26 14:43:41 charge is relatively unrelated to hostmode capabilities Sep 26 14:43:51 ah kinna break the laws o' Physics, capt'n!@ Sep 26 14:44:24 Lol. Sep 26 14:44:24 DocScrutinizer: well, from the discussion the would seem to be related. Sep 26 14:44:58 ah, that's what happened Sep 26 14:46:36 well. Sep 26 14:46:49 I think more info is needed about the topic. Sep 26 14:47:07 since I cannot think what could have trhown Nokia into now saying otg is not supported Sep 26 14:47:14 other than some catastrofic thing Sep 26 14:49:53 can we get Standley kicked and blocked and get that damned title sorted Sep 26 14:49:57 its unprofessional Sep 26 14:50:14 and we've still no idea what they're on about Sep 26 14:50:14 it's liberty of speech Sep 26 14:50:29 free speech comes with responsibility Sep 26 14:50:29 Standley: this is too, fuck you and the horse you rode in on Sep 26 14:50:30 Standley kicked Sep 26 14:50:31 like fuck is it Sep 26 14:50:54 Standley blocked Sep 26 14:50:57 Standley: since it's presumably french, the point of the message gets lost too to most here Sep 26 14:50:59 wow, he is not a bot? Sep 26 14:51:05 take your protest to those who need to see itwe are not those peopl Sep 26 14:51:12 i am a real human. Sep 26 14:51:13 no just a stupid motherfucker Sep 26 14:51:33 abused by freenode and somes operator pedo. Sep 26 14:51:36 nah, human implies some kind of rationality Sep 26 14:51:52 yeah, it is clear from your behaviour you are 12 year old. Sep 26 14:51:56 Standley: well what the fuck has that to do with maemo Sep 26 14:52:00 Hum, sorry guys, was sleeping. :P Sep 26 14:52:01 why don't you talk to the police then? Sep 26 14:52:07 wb General. Sep 26 14:52:20 police = jude = pedo Sep 26 14:52:53 what's a jude? Sep 26 14:52:57 Ahaha Sep 26 14:52:57 jew Sep 26 14:53:03 police = jew = pedo Sep 26 14:53:04 Who needs killin'? Sep 26 14:53:08 Oh, I see. Sep 26 14:53:08 seems unlikely, cite your source Sep 26 14:53:11 Standley: maybe you should start a revolution then. good luck finding anyone willing to do that kind of thing with a guy like you Sep 26 14:53:22 police = ice = shut down boat titanic Sep 26 14:53:25 he has a bot Sep 26 14:53:28 autorejoin? Sep 26 14:53:36 everyone has autorejoin Sep 26 14:53:44 * lcuk doesnt Sep 26 14:53:48 myeah, it can get you banned Sep 26 14:53:58 danke schön. Sep 26 14:54:01 thx Sep 26 14:54:04 dank u Sep 26 14:54:06 Alright, who wants to be deputized? Sep 26 14:54:12 anyone can set the topic Sep 26 14:54:18 someone that understands irc hopefully Sep 26 14:54:29 Stskeeps, you present and accounted for? Sep 26 14:54:31 * lcuk votes qwerty12_N810 he knows everything Sep 26 14:54:45 and is here often lol Sep 26 14:54:46 maybe put some access list on the topic? Sep 26 14:55:05 aquatix, meh, we get real spammers maybe once every 6 months. Sep 26 14:55:06 what for? he could've as well come here and flooded the channel Sep 26 14:55:30 true Sep 26 14:55:33 the problem is that the day shift needs one more OP ;) Sep 26 14:55:34 First time I tried to op myself there my client crashed. :D Sep 26 14:55:39 just thinking out loud Sep 26 14:55:46 GeneralAntilles: *g* Sep 26 14:55:51 i wondered :) Sep 26 14:55:53 javispedro, we didn't have any for the longest time. Sep 26 14:56:07 GeneralAntilles: yeah, your quit on that moment was quite.. dramatic. Sep 26 14:56:07 aquatix, I managed to kick my own ass somehow. Sep 26 14:56:11 it was bad when WoW diablo came out Sep 26 14:56:16 * lcuk facepalmed then Sep 26 14:56:56 GeneralAntilles: hah, always fun Sep 26 14:57:00 lcuk: just wait until WoW fremantle comes out Sep 26 14:57:57 * rkirti supports lcuk's vote on qwerty12_N810 Sep 26 14:58:39 qwerty12_N810, can I deputize you without you bringing the whole channel down? :P Sep 26 14:59:11 what did you do??? what have you done!!!!!! he'll kick us all now. Sep 26 14:59:18 Muahaha! Sep 26 14:59:21 The power... *gasps*. Now I must start my revenge plan... Sep 26 14:59:25 Thanks! Sep 26 14:59:54 remember Sep 26 15:00:01 this isnt the #idonthaveann900 chan :P Sep 26 15:00:09 (will still exists btw) Sep 26 15:00:22 lcuk: butbutbut Sep 26 15:00:26 s/will/which Sep 26 15:00:34 lcuk: I *don't* have an n900 Sep 26 15:00:37 lcuk: To be fair, I did ban myself from that chan in the end :p Sep 26 15:00:57 what's the current state of rumours of a non phone n900 type thing? Sep 26 15:01:00 life will ban you in the end as well Sep 26 15:01:04 without the 40% extra cost Sep 26 15:01:15 mavhc, like an n900-touch? Sep 26 15:01:21 yes Sep 26 15:01:30 mavhc, rumours are probably pretty strong Sep 26 15:01:37 sounds interesting, but the modem is really really useful Sep 26 15:01:48 but if Nokia does it, they're led by the most stupid execs ever Sep 26 15:01:59 and that was what we were told it was anyway Sep 26 15:02:06 i have to go be computer repair guy Sep 26 15:02:06 bbl Sep 26 15:02:13 lcuk, got a job yet? Sep 26 15:02:16 that seems like it was misdirection Sep 26 15:02:54 no Sep 26 15:03:00 lcuk, got any leads? Sep 26 15:03:18 yeah, usb mini usb micro power cables Sep 26 15:03:24 good Sep 26 15:03:25 hello world) Sep 26 15:03:30 hello alone Sep 26 15:03:33 hello wazd Sep 26 15:03:37 goodbye wazd Sep 26 15:03:38 hello wazd Sep 26 15:03:50 mavhc: no modem => no operator deal => 40% pricier rather than cheaper Sep 26 15:03:57 courmisch: you'd wish Sep 26 15:04:12 courmisch, the n900 doesn't really have any operator deals anyway Sep 26 15:04:27 i'm used at getting my gadgets at less than 200€. no strings attached. Sep 26 15:04:32 seems like n900 price is 40% higher than original n810 price Sep 26 15:04:44 mavhc, also has a shitload more features Sep 26 15:04:49 and inflation, all that Sep 26 15:04:59 but we're in the future, of course it has more features Sep 26 15:05:15 doesn't work like that matey Sep 26 15:05:16 in general gadgets keep the same price, but get new features Sep 26 15:05:28 if it's the same version of the gadget, yeah Sep 26 15:05:34 like PS3 becoming PS3Slim Sep 26 15:05:35 crashanddie_: in many countries the secondary market is subsidising it. These are independant phone shops that get a subsidy for every contract they sell - that can apply to any hardware tehy like Sep 26 15:05:41 no, that gets cheaper Sep 26 15:05:51 Damn, this army dep. case is even deeper than I thought Sep 26 15:05:53 mavhc, my point exactly Sep 26 15:06:10 over time the same thing gets cheaper, and the new better version is released at the original price Sep 26 15:06:10 mavhc, but was the PS3 more expensive than the PS2? Sep 26 15:06:11 I don't know the component cost, but I would be very much surprised if the modem accounted for 40% Sep 26 15:06:18 crashanddie_: for example - in the UK - you can get it at - IIRC - 32 quid a month. Or 382 quid new in box. Compared to 499 from nokia Sep 26 15:06:35 SpeedEvil, and where's that then? Sep 26 15:06:41 there is a camera, an OMAP SoC, an MMC and a touch screen too Sep 26 15:07:02 courmisch, and 32gb of ROM Sep 26 15:07:08 http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Brands/Nokia/Nseries-Multimedia-Phones/sb489/n443/p26078.aspx?lpsrc=google&lpcat=NokiaN900l&lpgrp=N900Nokia&lptxt=N900v1&lpkey=n900%20nokia&gclid=CI7E8PeK-pwCFV8B4wodgyBMbg#tabsAnchor Sep 26 15:07:13 crashanddie_: you mean MMC Sep 26 15:07:26 no, I mean ROM Sep 26 15:07:53 ps1 and ps2 were $299 Sep 26 15:09:04 crashanddie_: ROM in the N900? Sep 26 15:09:28 weird, I can't search for $ in chrome Sep 26 15:13:27 courmisch, memory you can't remove, which remains *in* the machine, and which saves data over reboots/loss of power, yes, that is textbook definition of ROM Sep 26 15:13:56 i thought it meant Read Only Memory Sep 26 15:14:07 and you can't edit Sep 26 15:14:16 a 1980 book would say so ;) Sep 26 15:14:44 mavhc, oh, and PS2 was indeed $299, but PS3 was $599, so yeah, just blame it on inflation, I guess :) Sep 26 15:14:54 you know you're old when words don't mean what they used-to Sep 26 15:15:54 rom is rom, flash is flash, eeprom is eeprom, there's no real confusion unless people are wrong Sep 26 15:16:08 except eeprom is flash Sep 26 15:16:19 now. Sep 26 15:17:14 as /dev/mmcblk0 implies, it's an MMC not a ROM Sep 26 15:17:25 don't make me bring out my infrared torch and erase your memories Sep 26 15:17:28 what was the discussion anyway? ;) Sep 26 15:18:10 courmisch: Unless someones flipped the read-only switch. Sep 26 15:18:46 i suppose some of you might not yet have heard of "Write Only Memory". If not, see: http://www2.vmi.edu/Faculty/squirejc/Research/IC_Datasheets/digital_cmos/Write%20Only%20Memory.pdf Sep 26 15:19:21 fnordianslip, OutputStream os = new OutputStream(); Sep 26 15:19:23 SpeedEvil: it's supposed to contain the swap and user files. Why would it be read-only anyway? Sep 26 15:19:30 Ah, Eldar. Sep 26 15:19:35 I know about Write Once Read Never memory (WORN) Sep 26 15:20:14 crashanddie_: huh? Sep 26 15:20:23 javispedro, sounds like my gf's clothes... WORN (Wear once, re-use never) Sep 26 15:20:27 what are the point of such things? Sep 26 15:20:43 WORM discs were Write Once Read Many Sep 26 15:20:56 crashanddie_ :) Sep 26 15:21:44 your gf wears clothes? Sep 26 15:21:54 GeneralAntilles: first time you read his posts? grab a BIG bag of popcorn then Sep 26 15:22:04 javispedro, been working my way through slowly. Sep 26 15:22:10 mavhc, helps for work (unless she's a prostitute, I guess) Sep 26 15:22:26 GeneralAntilles, link Sep 26 15:22:28 javispedro, I like the one where he summarily dismissed the entire community for being "non-adequate". Sep 26 15:22:29 GeneralAntilles, how's your mac? Sep 26 15:22:34 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=334114&postcount=387 Sep 26 15:22:37 crashanddie_, fucking fast. Sep 26 15:22:49 too much information Sep 26 15:22:53 I just wanted to know how it ran Sep 26 15:23:16 as fast as women run away from him after talking about his mac Sep 26 15:23:27 Buuuurn Sep 26 15:23:52 marmo Sep 26 15:24:02 mahvc: women don't run away now from macs. didn't you read the latest apple memo? Sep 26 15:24:10 that guy needs to guy back to highschool and learn some spelling and grammar Sep 26 15:24:34 They never did, as far as I could tell. Macs are the easier of the two major platforms to pick up, in my experiences. (for non techies) Sep 26 15:24:50 so they're like guys? Sep 26 15:25:04 mavhc, nice Sep 26 15:25:21 linux: the third sex Sep 26 15:25:28 trans Sep 26 15:25:37 I hear linux is more popular than windows 98 now Sep 26 15:25:37 wants to be sexy, but has that rough edge Sep 26 15:26:30 mavhc: I'd be pretty surprised if that was true. It's amazing how many years people will hold onto their old crap machines. Sep 26 15:26:38 I'm looking at my PS3, and one of the glossy edges reflected a sticker somewhere in the room... It said "INITRAM" Sep 26 15:26:43 init ram? Sep 26 15:26:48 I looked around, "MARTINI" Sep 26 15:26:52 was some browser stat thing a few years ago Sep 26 15:27:32 MoaBird, I guess your statement would make sense, networking on win98 was a bitch Sep 26 15:27:59 "Hackintoshes Possibly More Popular than Linux" "Ubuntu may be more popular than Linux itself in 2010" Sep 26 15:28:07 crashanddie_: As was pretty much everything else, if I recall. Home versions of Windows didn't stop sucking until XP SP2, frankly. Sep 26 15:28:26 How can Ubuntu be more popular than something it's a subset of? Sep 26 15:28:27 mavhc: why that wouldn't surprise me. Sep 26 15:28:38 MoaBird: prediction of future search traffic Sep 26 15:28:56 OSX86, being way more difficult to install, and having substantially less PCI hardware support, Sep 26 15:29:04 "more popular". Sep 26 15:29:11 *sigh* Sep 26 15:29:14 more populus? Sep 26 15:29:40 "Possibly More Popular". Sep 26 15:31:31 hm, out of game ideas for maemo :o Sep 26 15:32:02 Firebird: Google "iBoobs" Sep 26 15:32:13 I'll pass on the apple apps Sep 26 15:34:29 waterfall game? bacteria growth game? Sep 26 15:34:48 Firebird: paratrooper clone Sep 26 15:35:21 glass_, like shooting airborne people? Sep 26 15:35:29 mavhc, what's a waterfall game Sep 26 15:35:33 audio game, where you have to adjust the input from the microphone somehow? Sep 26 15:35:45 water falls from top, you have to direct it somewhere with limited resources Sep 26 15:36:16 Firebird: http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/images/screenshots/paratrooper.gif Sep 26 15:36:28 from the days when computers were just powerful enough to do particle staff Sep 26 15:36:30 stuff Sep 26 15:54:25 on what critera is the ideas in brainstorm sorted? its doing my head in to figure it out Sep 26 16:11:27 GeneralAntilles: mm? Sep 26 16:11:46 Stskeeps, nevermind, deputized qwerty12_N810. Sep 26 16:12:20 good :) Sep 26 16:12:25 Who is halfway through banning you all... Sep 26 16:12:39 :O Sep 26 16:12:43 i don't blame you Sep 26 16:13:20 I'd ban me too. Sep 26 16:13:43 Nah, I'm busy making XChat's search dialog under Fremantle somewhat usuable... Sep 26 16:23:20 nice, xchat port! :) Sep 26 16:26:32 qwerty12_N810: pleased to hear that (XChat). Will be the first app I need to install Sep 26 16:27:25 XChat isn't my port (done by skyhusker) but he seems to have gone AWOL, and I do need my IRC... Sep 26 16:27:46 :-) Sep 26 16:28:59 qwerty12_N810: probably the "ctrl-F / F3" approach will just do a good job. Basically you don't need the dialog anymore, after entering search-regex Sep 26 16:29:27 replace F3 by a better supported shortcut though :-P Sep 26 16:29:56 I've taken the lazier approach and replaced the dialog with a HildonFindToolbar :) Sep 26 16:35:01 that's the "lazier approach"? Sep 26 16:35:09 i would want to know what the hard work approach is. Sep 26 16:35:53 I think I'll wait for telepathy-idle instead. ;) Sep 26 16:37:17 zerojay: with removed chatroom support in the gui... Sep 26 16:37:51 * qwerty12_N810 likes real IRC clients ;) Sep 26 16:39:16 qwerty12_N810: count down to someone saying ${RANDOM_CLI_IRC_CLIENT} is the only real irc client: 5.. 4... 3... 2... Sep 26 16:40:39 $REAL_IRC_CLIENT can be defined as anything that is not RTComm/Pidgin... Sep 26 16:46:09 netcat is the only real IRC Sep 26 16:49:21 whoever does xterm please implement audio bell Sep 26 16:49:54 and please make it so it can be disabled ;) Sep 26 16:50:37 javispedro: Sep 26 16:50:40 er Sep 26 16:50:42 Audio mp3 bell Sep 26 16:50:50 javispedro: Forgot about that. Sep 26 16:51:00 It has to be able to play 'My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard' - whenever it beeps Sep 26 16:51:16 qwerty12_N810: I like real IRC clients... when they're any good and XChat doesn't fit the bill. :) Sep 26 16:54:13 RTComm - regarding IRC - has fewer features, and I seem to remember it being generally slow when entering #maemo (and there's more people now than there was when I last used it). RTComm does have a better interface, however, I won't lie there Sep 26 16:57:29 I've been on IRC for over a decade. I can't say I don't miss the extra features from a real IRC client, but I'd rather not deal with something like Xchat at all.. and to do so on a tablet... bah. Sep 26 16:58:41 I imagine we'll put Konversation on Maemo 6, or Maemo 5 already if the kdelibs packaging takes off Sep 26 16:58:50 Irssi ftw Sep 26 16:59:42 I'd like to see an IRC client made specifically for the tablets, actually. Sep 26 17:00:12 Well Sep 26 17:00:40 Atleast mirggi is a bearably good one Sep 26 17:00:45 Probably won't happen, but hey... a guy can dream, right? Sep 26 17:01:16 jmirc is niceish Sep 26 17:02:47 Java? Sep 26 17:02:52 Theres plenty of irc clients for s60, nothing stops people from developing one for maemo Sep 26 17:03:06 Jmirc is java yes Sep 26 17:03:13 zerojay: well, if we do make a Konversation-for-Maemo we'd look into making the UI work well of course Sep 26 17:03:17 derf: ping Sep 26 17:03:30 lardman: Pong. Sep 26 17:03:49 Sho_: Sure. Sep 26 17:03:52 can I ask you about your QR code? Sep 26 17:03:57 Yes. Sep 26 17:04:18 let me get a pastebin up Sep 26 17:05:01 http://maemo.pastebin.com/m42a8176e Sep 26 17:05:21 I guess I've made a mistake somewhere, but your code only outputs ntext==1 all the time Sep 26 17:05:36 well I have made a mistake, just wondering if you could see anything fishy Sep 26 17:06:49 ntext is the number of _strings_, not characters. Sep 26 17:06:50 was using this to generate QR codes: http://qrcode.kaywa.com/ Sep 26 17:06:54 ah Sep 26 17:07:02 In the even there's more than one code in the image. Sep 26 17:07:06 *event Sep 26 17:07:19 so how does one access the strings? Sep 26 17:07:31 is text[i] a pointer to a *char? Sep 26 17:07:37 Yes. Sep 26 17:07:44 ah, great Sep 26 17:07:53 You have it declared char **text right above! Sep 26 17:08:11 ah yes, brain fade this morning Sep 26 17:08:46 do they tend to have more than one string in them> Sep 26 17:08:47 ? Sep 26 17:08:57 or is that if there are multiple QR codes in an image? Sep 26 17:09:03 That's for multiple QR codes. Sep 26 17:09:10 Why dont you look at the mobile barcoder extension for firefox Sep 26 17:09:11 ok cool Sep 26 17:09:31 Myrtti: overhead, plus this is interesting Sep 26 17:09:32 In fact, with structured append, multiple codes can still produce 1 string. Sep 26 17:09:36 It uses nokias barcode creator Sep 26 17:09:46 Myrtti: ah it creates does it? Sep 26 17:10:11 And my bf made the extension ;-) Sep 26 17:10:17 I had to test QR atm, dmtx works fine Sep 26 17:10:17 and the Nokia stuff is dmtx iirc Sep 26 17:10:18 ah :) Sep 26 17:10:31 Its javascript afaik Sep 26 17:10:32 nepotism! Sep 26 17:10:45 It's the way the world works. Sep 26 17:10:50 Just loving suggestion Sep 26 17:11:07 I almost understood how it works Sep 26 17:11:33 I dont really code myself Sep 26 17:13:05 derf: will try to send you some barcodes that don't decode with zbar this week, batoo is working very nicely Sep 26 17:13:14 lardman: Great. Sep 26 17:13:22 libdmtx need some work though, it's a real CPU hog Sep 26 17:13:43 hence the separate thread, which I will try lowering the pri for Sep 26 17:13:47 Yeah... they're not easy to find. Sep 26 17:21:56 right, have changed to this, but no output (i.e. blank): http://maemo.pastebin.com/m5eeaad3c Sep 26 17:22:31 N8x0 binary here if anyone's interested http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/mbarcode/ Sep 26 17:23:11 text[1]? Sep 26 17:23:34 In C our indices start at 0. Sep 26 17:23:40 oh dear Sep 26 17:23:50 sorry, have been doing MATLAB code today Sep 26 17:23:56 * lardman hides his head in shame Sep 26 17:24:42 be happy, you made me feel better Sep 26 17:25:28 ok, that's working better now Sep 26 17:25:30 thanks Sep 26 17:25:50 I managed a ~ yesterday instead of ! too Sep 26 17:25:57 ~lart MATLAB for being different Sep 26 17:25:58 * infobot smacks MATLAB up side the head with a clue-by-4 for being different Sep 26 17:29:28 It's not Matlab's fault. It's the same as FORTRAN! Sep 26 17:30:19 larman, well, ~ is not, it's just the not you're looking for =) Sep 26 17:30:26 +not Sep 26 17:31:12 yeah, well really it's my fault of course for not concentrating Sep 26 17:31:28 but yes, we can also blame the wonders of FORTRAN ;) Sep 26 17:35:22 hmm, can't get my "Do you want to open this URL?" dialog to go away.... Sep 26 17:49:46 * RST38h moos Sep 26 17:49:56 baaaaa Sep 26 17:50:33 * qwerty12_N810 kidnaps RST38h and makes him into beef Sep 26 17:50:50 mmm.. raw meat Sep 26 17:50:51 Bad, bad idea Sep 26 17:51:36 qwerty12_N810: does osso_rpc_run() block? Sep 26 17:51:42 or is it async? Sep 26 17:52:11 IIRC, yes, it does but I believe it comes in an async form too Sep 26 17:52:30 ah, ok Sep 26 17:53:03 osso_rpc_async_run() Sep 26 17:54:09 hmm, that's not even causing the problem so it seems Sep 26 17:54:48 I've got a gtk_message_dialog_new(), then a gtk_dialog_run() then gtk_widget_destroy(dialog), yet my dialog stays on screen and the app locks up Sep 26 17:55:48 it does not get out of _run() Sep 26 17:56:08 yeah it does, I can press the buttons, but after that it#s locked Sep 26 17:56:11 _run() blocks afaik, until the user closes the dialog with Ok or Cancel or whatever Sep 26 17:56:27 for some reason the destroy fn doesn't work Sep 26 17:56:40 does it execute though? Sep 26 17:56:44 yes Sep 26 17:58:13 the dialog stays though and I guess it's modal so I can't press any other buttons,e tc Sep 26 17:59:03 question: do you call _destroy inside the dialog event loop? Sep 26 17:59:09 i.e. inside _run? Sep 26 17:59:12 no Sep 26 17:59:28 then, if you do not exit from _run, where do you call _destroy> Sep 26 17:59:29 ? Sep 26 17:59:37 (sorry if it is a stupid question) Sep 26 17:59:42 I have something like: response = gtk_dialog_run(GTK_DIALOG(dialog)); gtk_widget_destroy(dialog); switch (response) { Sep 26 18:00:02 does _run() not return immediately? Sep 26 18:00:14 after you press one of the buttons that is Sep 26 18:01:00 ah, I think it my arguments Sep 26 18:01:43 was trying to use a char* rather than a printf-style string Sep 26 18:02:49 hmm, no, that's not it at all Sep 26 18:03:04 I'll pastebin the code Sep 26 18:03:28 http://maemo.pastebin.com/m3624024b Sep 26 18:04:11 lardman: Ok Sep 26 18:04:30 lardman: bad news: _run won't return until the dialog is cancelled or confirmed Sep 26 18:04:45 yeah, I'm pressing yes or no Sep 26 18:05:04 lardman: ok...and it should disappear immediately Sep 26 18:05:09 even if you do not destroy it Sep 26 18:05:11 it doesn't Sep 26 18:05:15 hmm Sep 26 18:05:22 can you should the dialog implementation?> Sep 26 18:05:50 should? Sep 26 18:05:52 show? Sep 26 18:06:02 Wait, let me look something up Sep 26 18:06:08 ok Sep 26 18:07:06 Add GTK_DIALOG_MODAL to flags Sep 26 18:08:07 ok Sep 26 18:08:58 same thing Sep 26 18:09:03 hmmm Sep 26 18:09:08 GTK_DIALOG_DESTROY_WITH_PARENT | GTK_DIALOG_MODAL, Sep 26 18:09:17 ? Sep 26 18:09:36 Yeah Sep 26 18:09:45 Put a printf before _destroy() call Sep 26 18:09:51 just to be sure Sep 26 18:11:38 yep, I see that output Sep 26 18:11:51 mmmmmmmm Sep 26 18:13:23 try for yourself if you fancy: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/mbarcode/ Sep 26 18:13:38 have to install libdmtx0 first though, then run maemo-barcode Sep 26 18:13:42 must change that name too Sep 26 18:15:17 QEMU on OMAP3430 x86 benchmarks Sep 26 18:15:23 500 and 800mhz http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/48726-qemuonarm/page__st__30__p__757489&#entry757489 Sep 26 18:16:22 no doubt some very basic error I've made Sep 26 18:16:42 ah, is it the output values I've missed out? Sep 26 18:16:49 lardman: weird, weird crap Sep 26 18:17:11 don't want to flood the channel here, but how's 8 lines? Sep 26 18:17:20 dialog = gtk_dialog_new_with_buttons ("Search", Sep 26 18:17:20 GTK_WINDOW(appdata->window), Sep 26 18:17:20 GTK_DIALOG_MODAL | GTK_DIALOG_DESTROY_WITH_PARENT, Sep 26 18:17:20 GTK_STOCK_OK, Sep 26 18:17:20 GTK_RESPONSE_ACCEPT, Sep 26 18:17:21 GTK_STOCK_CANCEL, Sep 26 18:17:23 GTK_RESPONSE_REJECT, Sep 26 18:17:25 NULL); Sep 26 18:17:27 that works Sep 26 18:17:37 but in the other code, I don't specify the return values do I? Sep 26 18:17:40 I was just testing dr. noksnes on n900. runs full speed, but sounds are not working :( Sep 26 18:17:40 pupnik: So, it simulates a pentium 90 at more or less 100%? Sep 26 18:17:49 also, no fullscreen scaling. Sep 26 18:18:21 RST38h: it does the integer bench 3x faster than P90 Sep 26 18:18:35 floating point about 1/2 as fast Sep 26 18:18:42 pupnik: Yes but does it run gamezzzz 3 times faster ? =) Sep 26 18:18:52 konttori_: ta. I'm writing sw scaler support right now Sep 26 18:18:55 which reminds me to ask that would you guys like to get automatic compositor based scaling of any window? (so, you could say: fullscreen window, and resolution 320x200, but compositor would use opengl to scale it to fullscreen) Sep 26 18:19:57 konttori_: if you do that, reuse XSP*pixeldoubling* functions API ;) Sep 26 18:20:09 konttori: fuck, YESSS Sep 26 18:20:17 konttori: PLEASE Sep 26 18:20:23 hehe Sep 26 18:20:24 konttori: with sugar on top Sep 26 18:20:24 yes please Sep 26 18:20:36 konttori_: is that a rhetorical question? :p Sep 26 18:20:37 well, it's something I could add to our PR1.1 map Sep 26 18:20:52 * javispedro goes back to writing the sw scaler Sep 26 18:21:05 ;) Sep 26 18:21:09 well, it has not been asked by anybody before. I thought it might be nice to have myself, so I wanted some additional feedback Sep 26 18:21:11 konttori: We will sacrifice a dozen of iPhone users in your honor Sep 26 18:21:31 konttori__: as usual i'm whining about such things to the wrong people :) Sep 26 18:21:40 lol. anyway, I *think* it's not a huge job. Mostly about making it clean on how you set the window. Sep 26 18:21:54 RST38h: I do that service for free Sep 26 18:22:05 qwerty: Perfect! Sep 26 18:22:09 pupnik_: well, I'm heading applications framework, so that kind of issues should be whined to me. Sep 26 18:22:29 you may use my car if you need it Sep 26 18:22:31 konttori: If the same can be done in windowed mode too, even better Sep 26 18:22:35 btw. Sep 26 18:22:48 does sdl 1.3 try to do hw scaling now? Sep 26 18:23:05 RST38h: well, probably, yeah, it could be done. Sep 26 18:23:24 I have no idea about sdl 1.3 Sep 26 18:23:34 hey Sep 26 18:23:42 the android hacker doesnt think maemo do phones Sep 26 18:23:47 me neither, I can't find a recent roadmap Sep 26 18:23:51 http://gizmodo.com/5367420/google-threatens-cyanogen-android-hacker-with-cease+and+desist Sep 26 18:23:53 this guy Sep 26 18:24:12 that sounds like such a bad developer PR thing for google Sep 26 18:24:18 I don't understand why they do that. Sep 26 18:24:27 he left out maemo in his plea Sep 26 18:24:34 nahhh they want closed source apps Sep 26 18:24:45 pupnik_: you also know that you can just set any fullscreen app to non-composited mode? Sep 26 18:24:57 konttori: can I file a few bug to you right here? Sep 26 18:25:01 You gain about 10% of more speed with that. Sep 26 18:25:09 that's great :) Sep 26 18:25:11 konttori_, i disabled fullscreen at first because notifications didnt come through Sep 26 18:25:15 and i missed important messages Sep 26 18:25:37 in non-composited, notifications do not appear. only the blue led blinks. Sep 26 18:25:44 do message notifications still come on without compositing Sep 26 18:25:50 but the notifications are 'stored' in the dashboard, so it's all good Sep 26 18:26:12 lcuk2: ^ see above. no notifications, but the blue led Sep 26 18:26:17 * lcuk2 noticed Sep 26 18:26:23 lcuk has to say 'yes please' also Sep 26 18:26:29 :) Sep 26 18:26:38 you cannot composite on top of non-composited surface. It's a tradeoff, but makes sense for e.g. games. Sep 26 18:26:45 compositor costs only 10% coooool Sep 26 18:26:51 you don't want to be disturbed / loose framerate during that Sep 26 18:27:46 so can you pan back, or does it work like liqbase Sep 26 18:27:50 ie none zooming Sep 26 18:27:57 just a keyed window area Sep 26 18:28:03 konttori__: is DaVinci something that 3rd party developers can use within maemo5? Sep 26 18:29:11 to be honest, I don't know. Sep 26 18:29:31 konttori_, best of both would be: when the lostfocus event comes - just take a screenshot and store it in a pixmap on the window Sep 26 18:29:40 that way, it freezes, but pans back nicely Sep 26 18:29:48 (its what im gonna do for liqbase asap Sep 26 18:29:54 New tablets are a great adventure. Sep 26 18:30:02 all tablets are an adventure Sep 26 18:30:04 lcuk2: or start compositing then. Sep 26 18:30:15 compiz did something like that iirc Sep 26 18:30:18 whether it will switch just like that Sep 26 18:30:23 full screen video without overlapping windows -> unredirected. Sep 26 18:30:37 I mean, you can access any existing codecs and services, but I don't know that how well you can actually program to the dsp. (that do you need some sdk or alike) Sep 26 18:30:40 put a window over -> slows down (gets redirected) Sep 26 18:30:51 There is nothing that we have put that would restrict the use, that's for sure. Sep 26 18:35:30 compositing/non-compositing switch takes about 50 to 100 ms. Sep 26 18:35:38 so, you can keep switching quite often Sep 26 18:35:41 konttori__, cool then!have you seen keesj's push! button controller project Sep 26 18:35:44 perfect for gaming Sep 26 18:37:39 konttori__, if not, quick flickr vid, cant find project page right now http://www.flickr.com/photos/51025379@N00/sets/72157622287431773/ Sep 26 18:37:46 flickr page^ Sep 26 18:47:47 re Sep 26 18:50:29 moo Sep 26 18:50:49 * qwerty12_N810 adds pupnik_ to his list of people to make into beef Sep 26 18:51:20 why, oh, why did i suggest qwerty as op Sep 26 18:51:33 /kick Sep 26 18:52:00 Why didnt you suggest me ;-) Sep 26 18:52:14 *chuckle* Sep 26 18:52:55 ME, and I'll ban you ALL and convert this channel into my NEW #idonthaveann900!!! Sep 26 18:52:58 'mornin Sep 26 18:53:34 Hullo, johnx Sep 26 18:53:41 morning Sep 26 18:54:19 thanks for the info konttori__ much appreciated Sep 26 18:57:32 morning johnx Sep 26 19:03:13 is it morning already? Sep 26 19:04:41 it was 10 minutes ago... Sep 26 19:10:12 heya johnx Sep 26 19:10:27 penguinbait: it is not morning for 47 more minutes Sep 26 19:24:18 Myrtti, you were not up for nomination because you would kick everyone who disagrees with pink Sep 26 19:34:27 lcuk2: interesting project. How do the keypresses get handled to the device? Sep 26 19:35:01 mmm what do you mean Sep 26 19:35:10 are you suffering from contacts app popping up? Sep 26 19:35:25 * lcuk2 has followed a keypress through the window manager Sep 26 19:36:14 I meant the keesjs push! button controller Sep 26 19:36:48 oh, yeah, the way contacts are getting key events is a bit irritating. Sep 26 19:37:23 thats fairly easy from what i gather Sep 26 19:37:30 you can send fake x11 keypresses Sep 26 19:38:07 you can make the bluetooth just use the HID profile Sep 26 19:38:07 or even a joystick profile itself Sep 26 19:38:22 and so when it comes over the wire the bt subsystem does the heavy lifting required Sep 26 19:41:18 bt-hid it the really easy (and expensive stuff) I bet my money on a variation of http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html + using the IR transciever as cheap way of doing things Sep 26 19:42:23 neat! Sep 26 19:44:41 but for now I am doing "over the top" with the hammer. I am tempted to even use several PIC's for each lego block so I don't need to much wires Sep 26 19:45:06 doesnt mindstorms lego have a bluetooth brick Sep 26 19:45:26 http://mindstorms.lego.com/overview/bluetooth.aspx Sep 26 19:56:00 hi all, i've got a problem with my nokia n800: the screen often "quakes" and sometimes slides from top to bottom cyclically Sep 26 19:56:28 i don't even know is the problem with software or hardware Sep 26 19:56:36 wow Sep 26 19:56:39 *if Sep 26 19:56:56 what happens when the screen is gone? Sep 26 19:57:19 it appears at the top of the physical screen Sep 26 19:57:27 almost seamlessly Sep 26 19:57:33 at slides down Sep 26 19:57:37 *and Sep 26 19:57:52 kind of like a television without working vsync? Sep 26 19:58:01 yep) Sep 26 19:58:21 anybody know if opengles1 packages are available for fremantle somewhere? Sep 26 19:59:32 not opengles2.0? Sep 26 19:59:52 they are by default on the device Sep 26 20:00:02 I need es1 to get quake3 running Sep 26 20:00:03 konttori__, i would have thought you above anyone else in this chan would know Sep 26 20:00:15 i thought it ran already? Sep 26 20:00:21 well, I don't know if they are in the open available Sep 26 20:00:31 and I don't have access to internal systems from home Sep 26 20:00:36 blah. on monday then Sep 26 20:00:50 yeah I wanted to take a video of it Sep 26 20:01:02 now to bed. Sep 26 20:01:06 bye Sep 26 20:01:09 cheers konttori__ Sep 26 20:08:52 wow. Sep 26 20:09:02 truly the state of ogles 1 is unknown? Sep 26 20:16:20 argh. in the ubuntu desktop vmware image, my numlock is locked down Sep 26 20:17:03 zombieff, other people have N800 with same problem :/ Sep 26 20:20:54 ShadowJK: so it isn't curable? :( Sep 26 20:22:12 no solution? Sep 26 20:26:03 > This is an issue the N800. You have to replace the LCD. Sep 26 20:26:13 that's what i googled Sep 26 20:27:34 zombieff, ive heard of it only once before Sep 26 20:27:41 does it seem effected by temperature Sep 26 20:27:47 ie works normally at first Sep 26 20:27:56 then drifts as it heats up? Sep 26 20:28:18 Stskeeps has an N800 that does the same thing Sep 26 20:28:20 (or gets better as it heats up) Sep 26 20:28:32 thats who i meant Sep 26 20:33:17 Anyone knows how I can tell C compiler NOT to modify function arguments on stack? Sep 26 20:34:15 RST38h: you can put "const" in front of the parameters Sep 26 20:34:34 i don't know how the optimizer will react to that Sep 26 20:35:47 optimizer does not give a fuck Sep 26 20:36:01 what kind of parameters you're talking? Sep 26 20:36:05 as far as it is concerned, parameters are fair game for temporaries Sep 26 20:36:16 func(int a1,int a2,int a3) Sep 26 20:36:21 that's what I am saying Sep 26 20:36:23 a1,a2,a3 should not change on stack Sep 26 20:36:33 int b = a1; b = 3 would change a1 Sep 26 20:37:59 func (const int a1, const int a2, const int a3) Sep 26 20:38:24 func (const int&, const int&, const int&) <= even better Sep 26 20:42:21 yeah, even if it accepts the keyword it may ignore it. Sep 26 20:42:35 snake blood and a skinned hedgehog and a bat wing...========== Rebuild All: 1 succeeded, 0 failed, 0 skipped ========== Sep 26 20:42:42 it worked Sep 26 20:43:47 [rep] yeah, even if it accepts the keyword it may ignore it. Sep 26 20:43:55 ah, did you run it? Sep 26 20:44:32 yep. Sep 26 20:46:42 :) Sep 26 20:47:09 So, what is required to be able to get your current location on maps in the N810 ? Sep 26 20:47:33 I always get location information not available Sep 26 20:48:56 javis: Thanks! You saved me from having to modify ~5000 lines of assembly code Sep 26 20:49:53 caotic, and you're outside with a clear view of the southern sky? Sep 26 20:50:43 indoors right now but can be fixed. How about when inside a car. Will that terribly affect it ? Sep 26 20:50:53 dunno Sep 26 20:51:00 probably not once it has a fix Sep 26 20:51:10 it's just getting the first fix in a new area that takes a while Sep 26 20:51:35 k, going outside :P Sep 26 20:51:39 * lcuk2 always does a full shutdown battery pop before taking n810 in car. not had a problem since :) Sep 26 21:02:01 the roof in my new car seems like an effective GPS blocker Sep 26 21:02:14 works fine when under the window though Sep 26 21:07:02 cars vary. Sep 26 21:07:36 * RST38h draws a pentagram with word "volatile" in the center Sep 26 21:07:40 some - especially newer/shinier cars have a coating on the window to reduce solar gain - which also blocks GPS - or do rear window demisting Sep 26 21:07:54 RST38h: you finally found the source of all the evil in the world Sep 26 21:07:54 * SpeedEvil wonders what foul demon RST38h is summoning. Sep 26 21:08:03 Oh shit, even link-time-optimization works Sep 26 21:08:07 Speed: VAX Sep 26 21:08:19 Speed: And it speaks to me in German, unless properly excorsized Sep 26 21:08:37 VAX <3 Sep 26 21:08:40 javis: Yes, and I am currently productizing it Sep 26 21:08:47 * ShadowJK had ssh account on a VAX once Sep 26 21:08:54 it ran OpenVMS :-) Sep 26 21:09:05 * RST38h compiled ircii for openvms once Sep 26 21:09:15 I used epic :) Sep 26 21:14:52 RST38h, did you already hear about the bank heist in Stockholm? Sep 26 21:15:47 No, what happened? They airdropped VAX onto the vault? Sep 26 21:16:04 hahaha Sep 26 21:16:13 RST38h, http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/now-this-is-how-to-rob-a-bank/ Sep 26 21:17:19 ah, so the helicopter was involved after all Sep 26 21:17:58 so who says you only ever hear about the dumb criminals Sep 26 21:19:12 yeah that chopper landed a few minutes from where i live, pretty cool Sep 26 21:19:44 frals, they cut you in to keep your mouth shut? :) Sep 26 21:19:53 night all Sep 26 21:19:58 'night lardman Sep 26 21:19:59 haha, i wish :D Sep 26 21:20:30 "Here, son, get that N900 you've always wanted" Sep 26 21:21:10 that's how eldar got his prototype Sep 26 21:21:35 pretty pro to rob a cash storage central with a fuckin chopper tbh Sep 26 21:22:35 I'd feel a lot differently if it was someplace that wasn't insured or if anyone was hurt Sep 26 21:22:48 but as it is: just wow Sep 26 21:23:52 So, is Sweden heaven for bank robbers? If so, I'll get a ticket right now Sep 26 21:24:55 yes it is Sep 26 21:25:04 Great! Sep 26 21:25:16 I will be waiting for you there to rob you first ;) Sep 26 21:25:45 Of what? Sep 26 21:25:53 * qwerty12_N810 coughs Sep 26 21:25:58 your cool nickname Sep 26 21:26:17 whatever you stole from all those nokians! Sep 26 21:26:28 :D Sep 26 21:27:36 Well, if you want a 3310 *that* badly... Sep 26 21:28:02 qwerty12_N810: Running maemo5? Sep 26 21:28:31 * rkirti wonders what encryption system would map n900 to 3310...... Sep 26 21:28:32 the 3310 is easy enough, but getting a lock of a nokians hair for that voodoo anti-iphone spell is a bit more tricky Sep 26 21:29:03 tho notably, jeremiah has long hair... Sep 26 21:29:06 SpeedEvil: Running some version of Maemo with Snake II... Sep 26 21:29:24 lcuk2: I thought you simply needed the ash from the heartwood of a Golden Delicious tree, planted in a graveyeard. Sep 26 21:29:40 anti-iphone spell? Sep 26 21:29:46 thats to resurect a c64, get with the times Sep 26 21:29:52 * javispedro would be happy with an anti-rdf spell Sep 26 21:30:04 For that I always used leaded solder. Sep 26 21:30:41 my first attempt at fixing a broken computer involved tinfoil and the expansion port on my zx spectrum Sep 26 21:30:56 * qwerty12_N810 leaves you old people to it Sep 26 21:31:03 lol Sep 26 21:31:05 i didnt have to gel my hair for weeks afterwards! Sep 26 21:31:19 speakin of which :O shockingly - for real Sep 26 21:31:25 jake was stupid tonight Sep 26 21:31:37 he idly put the charger for the laptop in his mouth Sep 26 21:31:44 20v=ow Sep 26 21:31:47 * lcuk2 facepalmed Sep 26 21:31:51 !! Sep 26 21:32:02 yes speedevil Sep 26 21:32:10 reactions are quite quick when you get a zap Sep 26 21:32:14 Is jake 7? Sep 26 21:32:19 yeah Sep 26 21:32:43 That'll do it. Sep 26 21:32:45 hopefully its his first and final lesson in the dangers of electricity :) Sep 26 21:33:18 lcuk2: "That's the evil in the internet biting you" Sep 26 21:33:42 nahhh, internet cables arent that shocking Sep 26 21:33:51 they have a bad taste occasionally tho Sep 26 21:35:11 live 10base-t cables can be detected with the tongue. Sep 26 21:36:30 i prefer just looking at my color coding sheet and using a regular non living tester Sep 26 21:36:46 my dad had a mega-ohm industrial circuit tester Sep 26 21:36:55 he once asked me to "hold onto these" Sep 26 21:37:01 giving me a pair of crocodile clips Sep 26 21:37:22 hah Sep 26 21:37:37 Sep 26 21:37:46 * ShadowJK once thought the electric fence was off and did "I'm not afraid, watch this!" Sep 26 21:37:59 haha Sep 26 21:38:09 they give a right jolt Sep 26 21:38:46 my mate once peed onto a lamppost and caused a massive electric arc and shorted the post out Sep 26 21:38:56 im surprised he didnt fry anywhere Sep 26 21:39:09 Also at work one of the engineers told me he just discovered the failure mode of triacs vs relays.. relays just become a break in the circuit.. triacs become a conductor in the circuit when they break :-) Sep 26 21:39:15 I didn't ask how he discovered it Sep 26 21:39:18 mythbuster tested that whole peeing on stuff concept, didnt they? Sep 26 21:39:25 dunno Sep 26 21:39:35 but afterwards we tried other pepole peeing Sep 26 21:39:42 Well with the electric fence, electricity would be conducted through the body into the ground Sep 26 21:39:44 and only he had explosive electrolitic piss Sep 26 21:40:05 turns out its pretty hard to get it to arc up to you due to.. well, its not a solid stream all the way to the electric current usually Sep 26 21:40:07 but lamppost has live and ground near eachother? Sep 26 21:40:17 yeah - but sparks flew Sep 26 21:40:20 and we were young Sep 26 21:42:29 There was some guy in London who took a piss on the train tracks and got elecrocuted as a result of doing so Sep 26 21:43:05 It depends on the stream. Sep 26 21:43:37 If you can obtain a coherent stream, with under a few cm gap Sep 26 21:49:33 The Mythbusters fucked that one up anyways. Sep 26 21:49:50 Their piss stream had zero pressure behind it unlike a dude taking a piss normally. Sep 26 21:49:52 how/why Sep 26 21:50:14 zerojay: pressure is actually bad Sep 26 21:50:29 zerojay: more energy in the stream tends to cause it to become uncoherent sooner Sep 26 21:50:39 if only science let you do your own experiments Sep 26 21:50:41 Come to my toilet then. :) Sep 26 21:51:00 zerojay: Turn the lights off, and flash photograph some streams from the side. Sep 26 21:51:14 * SpeedEvil cannot be held responsible for piss all over the floor. Sep 26 21:51:22 :D Sep 26 21:51:54 lol Sep 26 21:51:57 #maemo. you can talk about ye olde computers, and you can piss. Sep 26 21:52:18 don't use your pick up lines on me Sep 26 21:52:29 Why limit yourself to just pissing? Sep 26 21:53:06 2 girls 1 transformer Sep 26 21:53:10 sheesh, do i need to grab the mind bleach? Sep 26 21:53:15 * SpeedEvil downloads tubgirl to perform photometrology. Sep 26 21:53:27 do you now Sep 26 21:54:08 ok, lets flush this conversation. we need to wipe the slate clean. Sep 26 21:54:21 That's it! Tubgirl! I haven't fapped to that in a while Sep 26 21:54:32 OP! Sep 26 21:54:42 i did not see that... Sep 26 21:55:10 t_s_o, consider yourself lucky Sep 26 21:55:52 all because of a silly electrocution Sep 26 22:11:17 wow http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=39904 Sep 26 22:11:59 lol Sep 26 22:12:48 rofl Sep 26 22:13:22 nice Sep 26 22:14:38 Corsac, i dont think its a photoshop - its more like smoking into a projector Sep 26 22:14:59 * lcuk2 is probably wrong tho Sep 26 22:17:20 I would agree Sep 26 22:17:25 but it still looks very nice Sep 26 22:17:56 (cigarettes are kind-of hot, on a picture) Sep 26 22:18:09 photogenic, I mean Sep 26 22:18:48 If you say so. Sep 26 22:19:55 zerojay, ok, dynamic smoke clouds generated by combustion of a mixture of checmicals in a safe filtered environment vented to ECC regulations :D Sep 26 22:20:06 and without going near humans Sep 26 22:20:14 the point was the smoke, not the act of smoking Sep 26 22:20:56 Corsac, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJk8ijAUCiI Sep 26 22:21:02 this is super cool too Sep 26 22:21:06 lcuk2: I meant that towards Corsac saying cigs are kind of hot. Sep 26 22:21:28 lcuk2: And I can't really separate the smoke from the act of smoking. ;) Sep 26 22:21:45 smoke rings on that video you can :P Sep 26 22:21:59 they are like the best explosions out of scifi Sep 26 22:24:51 zerojay: well, cigarettes *are* hots Sep 26 22:24:54 when they are lighted Sep 26 22:25:31 lcuk2: pretty :) Sep 26 22:25:46 lcuk2: hi Sep 26 22:26:25 lcuk2: I managed to upload theremin to fremantle extras-devel Sep 26 22:27:37 lcuk2: who are you and what did you do to luck? Sep 26 22:27:43 s/uc/cu/ Sep 26 22:27:43 hello Sep 26 22:27:44 MrGoose1 meant: lcuk2: who are you and what did you do to lcuk? Sep 26 22:28:00 nothing Sep 26 22:28:05 apart from got kicked earlier Sep 26 22:28:06 lcuk: who are you and what did you do to lcuk2? Sep 26 22:28:25 ah! Sep 26 22:28:30 is maemo installable to nokia n95 ? Sep 26 22:28:31 got a good kickin... Sep 26 22:28:32 * MrGoose1 resumes his sleep Sep 26 22:28:55 :D Sep 26 22:29:29 no. no. no., Sep 26 22:29:33 and no. Sep 26 22:29:39 can anyone help me with this? :( http://pastebin.ca/1580709 Sep 26 22:31:15 hi all Sep 26 22:31:23 b-man16: as a temporary workaround, you could try with "export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:2" Sep 26 22:31:32 ok Sep 26 22:31:32 b-man16: add a line in /etc/hosts for localhost? Sep 26 22:33:07 it's fun watching nethack.alt.org people play the game Sep 26 22:33:53 javispedro: didn't work :( http://pastebin.ca/1580711 Sep 26 22:35:52 pupnik: yup Sep 26 22:36:07 pupnik: I have played nethack.alt.org over gprs with my neo1973 Sep 26 22:36:15 :)( Sep 26 22:36:16 :) Sep 26 22:36:18 pupnik: (openmoko) this was very silly though Sep 26 22:36:33 and didn't really work very well, due to the limited virtual keyb Sep 26 22:36:34 b-man16: is xephyr listening, and on display 2:? Sep 26 22:37:12 javispedro: yes Sep 26 22:38:02 pupnik: I have a tiled screensaver I made once - that shows a dozen in-progress games. Sep 26 22:39:06 uh, well.. Sep 26 22:40:16 i ran "Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -kb &" Sep 26 22:40:43 heh Sep 26 22:41:06 b-man16: does /tmp/.X11-unix/X2 exists in sbox Sep 26 22:41:07 ? Sep 26 22:42:05 nope Sep 26 22:42:12 n900 for vodaphone? Sep 26 22:42:25 ls -a /tmp/.X11-unix; x0 Sep 26 22:42:37 *X0 Sep 26 22:42:40 http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Brands/Nokia/Nseries-Multimedia-Phones/sb489/n443/p26078.aspx?lpsrc=google&lpcat=NokiaN900l&lpgrp=N900&lptxt=N900v3&lpkey=n900&gclid=CIrTzpqskJ0CFcQB4wod8j242g Sep 26 22:42:45 sorry for the long link Sep 26 22:42:50 MrGoose1: also t-mobile Sep 26 22:42:55 MrGoose1: not bad prices Sep 26 22:43:03 ok adding repository.maemo.org to /etc/hosts Sep 26 22:43:17 SpeedEvil: In UK? Sep 26 22:43:33 MrGoose1: in that compared with buying from nokia, you get a discount of maybe 70-100 quid including the discounted plan. yes Sep 26 22:43:50 actually - more in some cases Sep 26 22:44:34 SpeedEvil: I cant find a link for t-mobile Sep 26 22:44:40 You get a discount of 100 quid if you get it with a PAYG SIM. - vodafone simplicity - it's another tab Sep 26 22:44:49 above the list Sep 26 22:45:07 mych the same price Sep 26 22:45:19 SpeedEvil: oh right! sorry Sep 26 22:45:21 javispedro: only /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 exists Sep 26 22:45:36 b-man16: that /tmp should be the same as the host /tmp Sep 26 22:45:47 oh Sep 26 22:45:48 does X2 exist there? Sep 26 22:46:05 mm Sep 26 22:46:53 MrGoose1: Look at the price of the individual plans - without phones - on the voda/t-mobile website - and you save perhaps 100-200 quid buying through there - compared to buying from nokia and the sim-only plan. And of course - nothing to pay up-front. Sep 26 22:47:09 MrGoose1: I am unsure if the phone would be locked to the carrier - I suspect not Sep 26 22:47:15 javispedro: nope Sep 26 22:47:19 What does vodafone mean with "unlimited web"? Internet or Intarweb? Sep 26 22:47:41 range: it's a lie. Sep 26 22:47:50 range: As they all are in the UK Sep 26 22:47:57 range: they mean you can have it up 24*7 Sep 26 22:48:06 SpeedEvil: Only UK-Web? :) Sep 26 22:48:16 Ahh to fix DNS in Maemo Scratchbox VMware image, need to edit ubuntu's crazy /etc/nsswitch.conf - just copying resolv.conf into SBOX does not help... http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2007-March/000906.html Sep 26 22:48:32 range: there are 'fair use' quotas - that vary from 500M/mo to 5G/mo depending on plan Sep 26 22:49:02 range, yeah, only .co.uk sites available :( Sep 26 22:49:03 range: I'm currently using vodafone 3G to connect over - ssh works, http works - I haven't checked out much else. Sep 26 22:49:04 SpeedEvil: Additional data plans, I guess. Okay, I'm not envious then :) Sep 26 22:49:10 you have to pay more for long distance internet Sep 26 22:49:15 :) Sep 26 22:49:26 b-man16: are you using a vm too? Sep 26 22:49:36 yup Sep 26 22:49:40 Ah - my DSL has synced again - so I can stop using 3G. Sep 26 22:49:42 * SpeedEvil stabs. Sep 26 22:49:42 virtualbox Sep 26 22:49:46 where are you running xephyr? Sep 26 22:49:56 Omg, Eldar on t.m.o. Sep 26 22:50:41 * SpeedEvil sighs. Sep 26 22:51:27 * javispedro sighs at tmo thread Sep 26 22:51:29 So much strive to show n920 in his profile Sep 26 22:51:41 javispedro: i'm running it within virtualbox in ubuntu Sep 26 22:52:06 (9.10) Sep 26 22:53:08 b-man16: maybe http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/49848 ? :P Sep 26 22:53:44 (first google hit, not that I ever experienced that) Sep 26 22:55:39 wazd, whats he gonna be like when he finds out he missed out on the n930 \o/ Sep 26 22:56:47 lcuk: What are you talking about? I mean, he "already gets all the devices". Sep 26 22:56:58 he mustv missed the memo then Sep 26 22:57:37 * javispedro has a n9000 with builtin granade launcher Sep 26 22:57:44 lcuk: With contacts like his in his phonebook?! /s Sep 26 22:57:53 pah javispedro so last week Sep 26 22:58:10 but does your phone have an extra large 5? Sep 26 22:58:11 xD Sep 26 23:00:37 in 10 years time, people will still be wondering whether bringing in King C. Gillette to maemo was a good move. a 5 screen tablet seems too much for some people. Sep 26 23:01:05 * SpeedEvil _wants_ Sep 26 23:01:14 yeah :) Sep 26 23:01:15 A foldable tablet would be awesome. Sep 26 23:01:25 multipule cohesive units acting as one is desirable Sep 26 23:01:33 multiple Sep 26 23:01:42 * javispedro wonders if the n9000 will still have ir port. Sep 26 23:01:52 neural interface Sep 26 23:01:58 no. Sep 26 23:02:00 I want my IR port! Sep 26 23:02:01 Imagine a n900 where you could grab the top of the screen, pull, and it unfolds to a 3*10" display Sep 26 23:02:15 yeah, that was the readius concept Sep 26 23:02:19 I just want a tablet with the ability to alert you if there are northerners around you Sep 26 23:02:21 they couldn't seem to get to market Sep 26 23:02:23 SpeedEvil, more like if you could spread a deck of cards across the table Sep 26 23:02:33 and have the entire surface just appear :) Sep 26 23:02:51 small area - just one Sep 26 23:02:56 or maybe 2 ;) Sep 26 23:03:16 lcuk: that too Sep 26 23:03:45 they would have to know where abouts they were in relation to each other tho Sep 26 23:04:02 lcuk: but that solution has the problem that overlap is hard to do Sep 26 23:04:09 mmm really Sep 26 23:04:10 lcuk: I want seamless edges Sep 26 23:04:29 bezelless devices are possible Sep 26 23:04:38 but doubt you would get one in near future Sep 26 23:04:42 lcuk: so it looks like a 3*10" display, not a segmented one Sep 26 23:04:58 bezelless devices are not really possible at the moment Sep 26 23:04:58 look at the lcd walls in use in tv studios Sep 26 23:05:08 they are thin bezel, not bezelless Sep 26 23:05:10 the seams use a lens Sep 26 23:05:21 and remove appearance Sep 26 23:05:28 yeah - that doesn't work well for high-res text Sep 26 23:05:29 or you can use projection methods Sep 26 23:05:32 and blending Sep 26 23:05:33 its possible Sep 26 23:05:36 Which they don't care about Sep 26 23:05:39 but impractical on small devices Sep 26 23:06:07 depending on the fresnel lens and design of components it could be eliminates Sep 26 23:06:08 d Sep 26 23:06:24 but on the whole, a windowed effect isnt that bad Sep 26 23:06:37 I wonder if it's not really an IR port, but bitbanging the proximity sensor's emitter Sep 26 23:06:45 lcuk: I disagree. Sep 26 23:06:57 lcuk: It sucks for my primary use-case - reading text split over screens Sep 26 23:06:59 then your dream wont be a reality for a while :P Sep 26 23:07:10 just buy a bigger tablet Sep 26 23:07:19 ShadowJK: well, there's a window on a side of the "gadget" Sep 26 23:07:20 lcuk: I really want some e-ink film so I can do this. Sep 26 23:07:37 lcuk: a 2cm*10cm wand. The screen is wrapped round it. Sep 26 23:07:37 you just need your pixels on a stretchable material... Sep 26 23:07:56 lcuk: e-ink screen. You unroll the screen, and drag the wand over it, and it prints. Sep 26 23:07:56 resolution would stay the same, but you could just pull the screen to the desired size Sep 26 23:08:04 lcuk: drag the wand back, and it reprints Sep 26 23:08:28 Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/sdk/Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' Sep 26 23:08:32 Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/tools/Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' Sep 26 23:08:34 Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/diablo/Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' Sep 26 23:08:40 STOP! Sep 26 23:08:45 hammertime! Sep 26 23:09:02 can't download this Sep 26 23:09:06 SpeedEvil, i know your principle, but its not gonna be practical to have a flexi screen Sep 26 23:09:16 lcuk: why not? Sep 26 23:09:46 lcuk: This is more for a cheap large-screen book reader, it's not an internet access device. Sep 26 23:09:48 rolling unrolling will cause lots of stress Sep 26 23:09:56 i like the folding all in one one ive seen Sep 26 23:09:58 lcuk: The screen is _completely_ passive Sep 26 23:10:30 lcuk: It has _no_ electronics. Simply a e-ink layer, laminated with a conductive transparent plastic film. And that's it. Sep 26 23:10:52 oh jees, thats worse than i thought lol Sep 26 23:11:02 just go look at reusable paper - which uses eink Sep 26 23:11:04 its already there Sep 26 23:11:07 you can buy it Sep 26 23:11:20 Please point me to a source - I haven't seen any. Sep 26 23:12:07 There have been lots of 'oooh - wouldn't it be nice in the future' announcements. Sep 26 23:12:20 I have yet to see where I can buy a ream. Sep 26 23:14:09 how is the eink controlled? Sep 26 23:14:39 mavhc: in the above case - by an electrostatic printer in the wand Sep 26 23:14:53 ok SpeedEvil i misread, you can buy it but its not fully out lol Sep 26 23:15:24 lcuk: I can't find anywhere where I can buy one sheet. Sep 26 23:15:31 Maybe my google-fu sucks. Sep 26 23:15:45 (for under $100) Sep 26 23:16:52 eink! lovely Sep 26 23:17:37 * SpeedEvil thinks of bacon. Sep 26 23:20:33 SpeedEvil, I'll sell you a sheet of bacon for $100 Sep 26 23:20:49 e-bacon :D Sep 26 23:20:59 its reusable Sep 26 23:22:00 A bacon-printer. You'll never look at spam email the same way again. Sep 26 23:22:52 bah Sep 26 23:23:03 i found the article about erasable toilet paper Sep 26 23:23:34 *snicker*? Sep 26 23:36:22 ok fixed Sep 26 23:36:24 need to run sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl restart Sep 26 23:50:20 hey fiferboy \o Sep 27 00:35:16 good evening some body knows what's the command for reset my nokia 6120C? Sep 27 00:36:02 it's working but slowly Sep 27 00:36:36 this tipe of terminal would have viruses??? Sep 27 00:38:51 infantejg: This channel isn't for any other Nokia devices other than the 770, N800, N810 and N900, sorry. Sep 27 00:42:58 infantejg, I mean, there's no harm in asking, but there aren't many people who are experts on stuff besides the maemo devices Sep 27 00:43:19 if it's an s60 device I think there must be a couple s60 channels Sep 27 00:43:36 Doubtful. Sep 27 00:44:58 thanks I'll try Sep 27 01:24:25 gcc version 3.4.4 (release) (CodeSourcery ARM 2005q3-2).... Sep 27 01:24:28 Sun Sep 27 03:24:26 CEST 2009 Sep 27 01:24:35 hi :d Sep 27 01:25:00 "Gcc 3.4 and beyond! June 1st, 2004" Sep 27 01:25:12 quick question.. any idea why an app compiles and runs ok on scratchbox armel but segfaults on a n810? Sep 27 01:25:12 pupnik: diablo's. Sep 27 01:25:13 hi fernand0 Sep 27 01:25:21 if it matters you, config sbox to use fremantle's Sep 27 01:25:34 dunno Sep 27 01:25:34 even though in my (useless) benchmark it was a bit slower Sep 27 01:25:40 k Sep 27 01:26:29 fernand0: debugging on device may be even easier than debugging on armel target, so i guess you're kinda lucky. just install gdb on device. Sep 27 01:27:58 javispedro, ok, let me see, I need to add some repos for that, right? Sep 27 01:28:45 fernand0: yes, the sdk tools repo. be careful with it, just install gdb and then remove it; do not upgrade from it. Sep 27 01:30:17 javispedro, ok, thanks, now I can see that it actually crashes on the armel target when I execute it without run-standalone.sh Sep 27 01:30:49 going to install gdb anyway heh Sep 27 01:46:41 ssss Sep 27 01:47:29 tttt Sep 27 01:47:37 eeeeeej Sep 27 01:47:39 breeeeeeee Sep 27 01:48:00 keyboard problems? Sep 27 01:50:53 ej Sep 27 01:52:03 eeeeeeeeeee Sep 27 01:52:30 ]later tell slonopota* seriously considering selling my N810 to get a HTC Touch Pro2-- thoughts? Sep 27 01:52:48 oh, my bot isn't here. :/ Sep 27 01:53:02 * luke-jr fails Sep 27 01:54:00 gcc > 4.4 can do -fprofile-generate=/path/to/gcda/files which means no more hacking with paths when profiling on N800 Sep 27 01:54:06 luke-jr, a touch pro 2? someone got linux running on it? Sep 27 01:54:28 hey javispedro, gdb complains.. it says "file" not in executable format: File format not recognized Sep 27 01:54:59 pupnik: ah, good! :) Sep 27 01:55:20 johnx: almost, it sounds Sep 27 01:55:20 fernand0: what's "file". Sep 27 01:55:32 my binary file Sep 27 01:55:38 ls Sep 27 01:55:39 johnx: apparently there is a decent community of hackers for HTC phones Sep 27 01:56:28 http://www.google.de/#hl=en&safe=off&q=+gdb+"not+in+executable+format" Sep 27 01:57:54 johnx: the port is actually for the Pro (1), but Pro (2) seems to mainly just be a bigger framebuffer and more RAM Sep 27 01:58:14 luke-jr, lol. goodluckwithtthat. Sep 27 01:58:30 thanks pupnik :p Sep 27 01:58:39 johnx: thanks, I might need it :p Sep 27 01:59:17 luke-jr, yup, you'll have your totally open source phone with no power management and probably missing sound and the actual phone part Sep 27 02:00:04 johnx: apparently most of the drivers are open from HTC's Android phones Sep 27 02:00:25 yeah, the status page looks super-complete *rolls eyes* Sep 27 02:00:28 http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux Sep 27 02:02:01 johnx: looks outdated; I know TI released a GPL Wifi driver Sep 27 02:02:38 and you still have a closed source bootloader :P Sep 27 02:03:01 the progress at the bottom was updated on 2009/09/18 Sep 27 02:03:06 so yeah, I think the page is current Sep 27 02:03:34 johnx: huh? even that page has links to the open source bootloader Sep 27 02:11:48 From the days of Computer Gods: a short story of ARM and Acorn http://www.heyrick.co.uk/assembler/history.html Sep 27 02:15:26 luke-jr, thought they were using haret? Sep 27 02:16:19 "We use HaRET. (More on HaRET here..) The source for HaRET can be obtained from CVS. This is a snapshot from November 5, 2008. To build HaRET on an otherwise ready-to-build i386 linux machine, you need CEGCC. (Prebuilt mandriva cegcc mingw32ce-0.51.0-1.i586 worked for me (on an intel ubuntu vbox / Jobo). This one is prebuilt, modified to not complain about large images.)" Sep 27 02:17:03 luke-jr, depends on wince, doesn't it? Sep 27 02:17:08 oh. Sep 27 02:17:09 crap. Sep 27 02:17:11 :/ Sep 27 02:17:43 yeah, and those "partials" probably won't ever actually get worked out Sep 27 02:18:39 johnx: now you're just trolling -.- Sep 27 02:19:03 luke-jr, nope. look at past linux ports to the htc devices Sep 27 02:19:53 it's a cool port, but people scratch itches Sep 27 02:20:15 if no one cares about getting the GPS working, then you'll be left without a working GPS Sep 27 02:20:55 IIRC, the GPS is NMEA Sep 27 02:21:00 so just needs UART Sep 27 02:21:48 first of all, that was just an example. second of all, it looks like they ran into problems with it anyways Sep 27 02:22:25 * johnx goes back to hacking **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Sep 27 02:59:56 2009