**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 02 02:59:56 2009 Oct 02 02:59:58 so the summit is not going to happen Oct 02 03:00:00 just kidding Oct 02 03:00:01 all you guys are going ? Oct 02 03:00:04 Im not. Oct 02 03:00:07 haha Oct 02 03:00:09 but thats expected Oct 02 03:00:12 no one knows who i am Oct 02 03:00:18 and im not a develope Oct 02 03:00:20 r Oct 02 03:00:21 Im a leech Oct 02 03:00:23 on the community Oct 02 03:00:30 I had sponsorship, but had to back out because of work, money, passports... all that fun shit. Oct 02 03:00:40 * GeneralAntilles is going! Oct 02 03:00:52 i kind of want to go to another talk during mine Oct 02 03:00:57 someone want to give mine? Oct 02 03:01:07 Pavlov, this is the digital age. Oct 02 03:01:15 Either watch the recording of the other talk. Oct 02 03:01:21 pre-record mine? Oct 02 03:01:24 ;) Oct 02 03:01:26 Or record yourself doing your talk now and just set a laptop on stage. Oct 02 03:01:56 also Oct 02 03:01:59 wireless transmit Oct 02 03:02:01 your talk Oct 02 03:02:04 for the audience of the other talk Oct 02 03:02:08 using a mobile device Oct 02 03:02:14 wonder how good wifi will be Oct 02 03:02:19 like the n900 (or if you dont have one yet an n800) Oct 02 03:02:34 im just thinking that if wifi isnt good they should of picked a different location Oct 02 03:02:59 Pavlov, capacity planning says "good". Typical conference performance histories say "awful". Oct 02 03:03:08 yeah. Oct 02 03:03:23 maybe i can get a sim card over there Oct 02 03:03:49 i think hogwash Oct 02 03:03:52 is full of hogwash Oct 02 03:04:10 Exxxactly. Oct 02 03:04:29 Troll. Oct 02 03:04:31 Move on. ;) Oct 02 03:04:59 not that I really know Oct 02 03:05:04 im just here because im bored Oct 02 03:05:05 and its late Oct 02 03:05:10 and im trying to make myself tired Oct 02 03:05:18 so talk so programming language talk and get me to fall asleep Oct 02 03:05:24 think you're just making everyone else tired:) Oct 02 03:05:29 my n800 battery is lasting almost nothing :/ Oct 02 03:05:44 buy a new one Oct 02 03:05:49 i have a new one Oct 02 03:05:51 disco_stu, filling it was mayonnaise was not a good plan. Oct 02 03:06:02 GeneralAntilles, ? Oct 02 03:06:03 do you have a program Oct 02 03:06:05 not allowing Oct 02 03:06:09 the processor to go into idle? Oct 02 03:06:31 disco_stu, a couple ounces of mayonnaise does not a new battery make. Oct 02 03:06:50 Tadthebuilder, nah, the old bat is lasting less than 2 hours Oct 02 03:06:51 I think some alarm clock did that to me in the past Oct 02 03:07:01 yup Oct 02 03:07:02 GeneralAntilles, in fact i spilled a yogur to mi n800 Oct 02 03:07:04 well how long is the new one lasting? Oct 02 03:07:14 tableteer, 4 Oct 02 03:07:46 Tadthebuilder, 4 or more, depends Oct 02 03:08:10 maybe you received a low quality or used battery? Oct 02 03:08:32 my n800 is two years old and I still have 6-7 hour battery life in active use Oct 02 03:08:40 longer than that Oct 02 03:08:42 if just playing music Oct 02 03:09:31 dont know, maybe the weather here is what makes them deteriorate Oct 02 03:10:08 well batteries do deteriorate over time Oct 02 03:10:13 I may be wrong Oct 02 03:10:22 and if I am wrong the general will correct me Oct 02 03:10:31 but heat kills batteries faster than anything else Oct 02 03:10:47 thankfully the n800 dont generate much heat Oct 02 03:11:08 but thats why its good to use a holster with a phone Oct 02 03:11:08 less heat if its away from your body Oct 02 03:11:10 Tadthebuilder, in this precise moment i picked my n800 it said half bat, in a no time it said low bat in a few seconds, recharge and the unit shutdow Oct 02 03:11:14 i keep my n810 covered in ice to keep it cool Oct 02 03:12:11 that seems over kill pavlov Oct 02 03:12:11 anyway Oct 02 03:12:11 here winter is very cold and summer is very hot Oct 02 03:12:11 since no boring talk is happening here Oct 02 03:12:21 maybe i should reflash or something Oct 02 03:12:25 im going to try another method of bringing about sleep Oct 02 03:12:38 take load applet out ? what do you say ? Oct 02 03:12:48 Man, my typo rate is skyrocketing. Oct 02 03:13:11 sorry Oct 02 03:13:13 i meant litterally Oct 02 03:13:18 trying to get myself to fall asleep Oct 02 03:13:26 as in rest Oct 02 03:13:27 on a bed Oct 02 03:13:27 with eyes closed Oct 02 03:13:27 entering into a state of dreams Oct 02 03:13:36 but you could of bought a bad battery Oct 02 03:13:39 or something Oct 02 03:13:41 I dont really know Oct 02 03:13:44 i dont know much Oct 02 03:13:46 :) Oct 02 03:14:21 wow i get my own freenode server Oct 02 03:14:30 Tadthebuilder, wifi kills it Oct 02 03:14:41 wifi should drain your battery some faster Oct 02 03:14:57 but i think their is a way to see the percentage of each running program of processor use Oct 02 03:14:57 some faster than what? bt? Oct 02 03:14:58 :) Oct 02 03:15:12 Tadthebuilder, with htop Oct 02 03:15:20 anything Oct 02 03:15:22 i always figured the 3G modem would kill an n900 faster than anything Oct 02 03:15:33 most 3G modems are powerwhores Oct 02 03:15:35 using a high percentage Oct 02 03:15:44 I dont believe 3g exists Oct 02 03:15:46 I think its imaginary Oct 02 03:15:52 (okay ill stop saying stupid things now) Oct 02 03:15:56 its just edge with update firmware? Oct 02 03:15:57 heh Oct 02 03:16:14 I think edge sounds cooler Oct 02 03:16:19 your on the edge Oct 02 03:16:49 i'm really curius if i can use a cricket 3G modem with my touchbook Oct 02 03:16:51 that would be so awesome Oct 02 03:17:09 touchbooks look sweet Oct 02 03:17:16 I tried to talk my fiance into buying one Oct 02 03:17:27 and told her she could put the tablet on the refridgerator Oct 02 03:17:37 while she cooked (not being a sexist, she likes to cook) Oct 02 03:17:45 and was like you could watch you tube cooking videos Oct 02 03:17:49 or have recipies on it Oct 02 03:17:55 or both. and she told me that paper was cheaper... Oct 02 03:17:56 does it even have youtube support? Oct 02 03:17:57 :) Oct 02 03:18:01 I dont know Oct 02 03:18:04 but it was a nice try on my part Oct 02 03:18:05 that would require flash wouldn't it? Oct 02 03:18:09 yeah Oct 02 03:18:19 or a substitute Oct 02 03:18:22 i'm not sure if they have flash in whatever os they are using. i think a modded angstrom Oct 02 03:18:30 aye Oct 02 03:18:31 youtube stores stuff in mp4 also Oct 02 03:18:34 but Ubuntu Mobile for arm has been compiled Oct 02 03:18:36 so they might have some 3rd party crap Oct 02 03:18:38 and ran on it Oct 02 03:18:45 really? Oct 02 03:18:45 or so I heard Oct 02 03:18:48 maybe thats a legend Oct 02 03:18:54 i'll probably stick wtih the stock stuff for a bit Oct 02 03:18:55 Its really late Oct 02 03:18:57 i got my tracking number Oct 02 03:19:03 so it should be here soon :) Oct 02 03:19:04 so maybe their were people working on it Oct 02 03:19:20 I pride myself on running out dated computational devices Oct 02 03:19:22 oh i'm sure Oct 02 03:19:32 ill keep my n800 for the next several years Oct 02 03:19:32 out dated? :) Oct 02 03:19:35 and my six year old desktop Oct 02 03:19:37 too Oct 02 03:19:41 600MHz omap3 isn't too outdated :) Oct 02 03:19:51 Macer: HTC Touch Pro2 w/ Linux port. :p Oct 02 03:19:53 what about 3 gig pentium four with 512 megs of ram? Oct 02 03:20:02 luke-jr: huh? Oct 02 03:20:07 go run gentoo :-P Oct 02 03:20:09 in a couple more years it wont even be able to run a browser Oct 02 03:20:13 Macer: yes, exactly Oct 02 03:20:20 at least if i run gentoo on it.. i wouldn't need a keyboard map Oct 02 03:20:21 :) Oct 02 03:20:26 well.. nothing special at least Oct 02 03:20:30 anyway Oct 02 03:20:30 goodnight Oct 02 03:20:32 and it might be able to compile larger things Oct 02 03:20:39 Macer: probably would. Fn key is a problem for Linux on all devices/hardware. Oct 02 03:20:46 except hardware Fn keys Oct 02 03:21:01 TP2 has non-Fn number row tho Oct 02 03:21:06 well. it has a full 256MB of ram Oct 02 03:21:15 which i hear is the hard max for omap3 Oct 02 03:21:19 yeah Oct 02 03:21:34 well Oct 02 03:21:45 GeneralAntilles hinted that 512 MB RAM variants exist, but are very expensive Oct 02 03:21:49 it has 256M of internal flash also. not really sure what that is for Oct 02 03:22:03 i'd guess the OS but i don't know yet Oct 02 03:22:06 ... Oct 02 03:22:40 i just thought it odd because they counted it in the memory specs Oct 02 03:22:43 Macer, only because of parts availability. Oct 02 03:22:45 i doubt they'd use it for a swap Oct 02 03:23:07 TouchPro2 isn't OMAP anyway Oct 02 03:23:23 newer arm tho isn't it? Oct 02 03:23:28 not sure Oct 02 03:23:34 i'm pretty sure it is Oct 02 03:23:37 not positive tho Oct 02 03:23:41 Qualcomm IIRC Oct 02 03:23:51 that mips laptop looks bust Oct 02 03:24:04 Macer, there's nothing newer than Cortex A8. Oct 02 03:24:08 the one that uses the usb key crap and the loongsoon or whatever it's called Oct 02 03:24:30 GeneralAntilles: i know but i'm not sure if the touchpro2 uses older arm or new gen Oct 02 03:24:31 GeneralAntilles: except cortex a9 Oct 02 03:24:51 Pavlov, right, but that's nowhere near market yet. ;) Oct 02 03:25:05 mm:) Oct 02 03:25:19 YET! Oct 02 03:25:20 heh Oct 02 03:25:26 what is a9.. dual or quad core? Oct 02 03:25:35 specs for both Oct 02 03:25:46 but seems to be mostly centered around dual Oct 02 03:25:55 wow that would be awesome Oct 02 03:26:19 if it can stay within the power requirements to actually last longer than half the time of a single core arm Oct 02 03:26:26 someone knows why maemo-mapper is failing with google street maps ? Oct 02 03:26:35 A lower-clocked dual-core can use significantly less power. Oct 02 03:26:47 Macer: i suspect they'll use a bit more power, if both fully on Oct 02 03:26:55 but you can prolly be clever around powering one off Oct 02 03:27:15 i had my phenom down to 72 watts, running but idle Oct 02 03:27:17 or do some extreme idling between cycles? :) Oct 02 03:27:22 Well, a dual-500MHz Cortex A9 will use less than half the power of a 1GHz Cortex A8. Oct 02 03:27:45 Significantly less than half. Oct 02 03:27:46 but you lose time on single threaded apps Oct 02 03:27:52 yeah Oct 02 03:28:14 you can probably turn off the cores independently? Oct 02 03:28:14 heh. that would suck depending on what you are doing Oct 02 03:28:17 I would imagine. Oct 02 03:28:27 maybe even change the clock on them Oct 02 03:28:28 i doubt you'll see many 500mhz a9s Oct 02 03:28:42 As an extreme example. :) Oct 02 03:28:47 extreme throttling and idling? :) Oct 02 03:28:48 haha Oct 02 03:28:59 i'm picturing arms that turn into near atom crap Oct 02 03:29:06 so you might run at 100 MHz when almost-idling, or dual 1 GHz when compiling KDE Oct 02 03:29:14 Macer, unlikely. Oct 02 03:29:24 * Macer has a special place of disgust for atoms in his heart Oct 02 03:29:46 atoms are fast, compared to all the arm stuff Oct 02 03:29:52 Pavlov: no. Oct 02 03:30:03 Atoms are x86. you can't compare it with ARM clock-for-clock. Oct 02 03:30:04 but not worth it for 10x power hit Oct 02 03:30:31 (not that you could compare two x86 or two ARM clock-for-clock either, but x86 vs ARM is even more significantly different) Oct 02 03:30:55 luke-jr: i can subjectively compare them for lots of things Oct 02 03:31:02 running linux, browsing the web, etc Oct 02 03:31:20 and the atoms are faster -- there really is no doubt Oct 02 03:31:28 but i certainly don't want an atom in my pocket :) Oct 02 03:31:30 Pavlov: do you know the meaning of "clock-for-clock"? :) Oct 02 03:31:52 i am not comparing them clock-for-clock, nor did I ever Oct 02 03:32:07 i simply stated that atoms are faster Oct 02 03:32:31 Pavlov: i think you are correct but what is there really to compare it to? Oct 02 03:32:39 omap2 n8x0s? Oct 02 03:32:42 :) Oct 02 03:33:08 not to mention that atoms are also able to address much larger amounts of ram Oct 02 03:33:16 uh Oct 02 03:33:24 I doubt that will be a problem for handhelds too soon Oct 02 03:33:33 don't get me wrong, i like where ARM is heading Oct 02 03:33:41 their power story is amazing Oct 02 03:33:53 luke-jr: i doubt that handheld arms will have a ton of memory any time soon Oct 02 03:33:58 takes a lot to power ram :) Oct 02 03:34:02 Macer: exactly my point Oct 02 03:34:19 who needs > 3 GB RAM support when you don't even use 1 GB RAM yet Oct 02 03:34:53 heh. maybe not on an arm yet Oct 02 03:34:55 * luke-jr ponders a handheld that has 1 GB RAM, but only powers it up in 256 MB increments as needed Oct 02 03:35:06 that would be interesting Oct 02 03:35:18 but would probably require a backpack battery Oct 02 03:35:27 ... Oct 02 03:35:37 when it was fully powered Oct 02 03:35:46 :) Oct 02 03:36:19 either way. my touchbook is the strongest arm based thing i can get a hold of right now so i am anxious to see how well it can perform Oct 02 03:36:42 playing 1080p on x86 hardware requires like at least a dual 2GHz system Oct 02 03:37:01 maybe a little less for 720p. and from what i've heard the touchbook can play 720p Oct 02 03:39:25 what touchbook? Oct 02 03:40:36 video is one of those things that really belongs on the gpu Oct 02 04:10:26 mornin' Oct 02 04:10:41 mornin; Oct 02 04:10:51 or, night Oct 02 04:11:02 * rm_you scuttles about Oct 02 04:12:22 rm_you, hey, I'm gonng be in Amsterdam next week. wanna meet me there and grab lunch? :D Oct 02 04:12:31 sure, sounds cool Oct 02 04:12:58 lemmie go pack really quick Oct 02 04:12:58 hey, other maemo guys. anyone up for a trip to amsterdam? Oct 02 04:13:12 * rm_you needs to find his n800 <_< Oct 02 04:13:19 O_o' Oct 02 04:13:28 Wow! Oct 02 04:13:31 ah, and I think I'll hit the airport samish time as you Oct 02 04:13:32 I'm going to Amsterdam too Oct 02 04:13:36 How'd that happen? Oct 02 04:13:41 Texrat has me worried Oct 02 04:13:46 I dunne where I'm staying Thursday night. Oct 02 04:13:48 GeneralAntilles, it's a popular place :) Oct 02 04:13:57 my n800 has been gathering dust for a month or so... SOMEWHERE... <_< Oct 02 04:14:02 hrm Oct 02 04:14:10 yeah, are we covered thursday night? Oct 02 04:14:16 GeneralAntilles, ahaha, don't worry too much. in the worst case there are hostels all over the place Oct 02 04:14:20 yeah Oct 02 04:14:26 i mean, i need thurs-sun night Oct 02 04:14:31 not sure how many of those are covered >_> Oct 02 04:14:40 * johnx shrugs Oct 02 04:14:42 at least fri-sat, but... Oct 02 04:14:43 some might be Oct 02 04:14:46 maybe some aren't Oct 02 04:14:48 i hope thursday is Oct 02 04:14:52 I think thurs is Oct 02 04:14:56 Lot of people getting in Thursday Oct 02 04:14:58 dunno if sunday is Oct 02 04:15:02 Didn't realize the reservations start Friday. Oct 02 04:15:02 yeah Oct 02 04:15:03 Hrm Oct 02 04:15:12 that's the one I don't know Oct 02 04:15:15 Wonder if we can get into the hotel a night early. Oct 02 04:15:30 GA: we DONT have hotel thursday? O_o Oct 02 04:15:35 or are you speculating Oct 02 04:15:44 Texrat seems to think not. Oct 02 04:15:46 I'm not sure. Oct 02 04:15:48 hrmrm Oct 02 04:15:53 * rm_you checks wiki for any pertinent info Oct 02 04:15:56 You guys want to try to book 3 into a room? :P Oct 02 04:16:12 heh if we need to Oct 02 04:16:12 would it be cheaper than a youth hostel? Oct 02 04:16:25 actually i wonder if i could get us a place Oct 02 04:16:28 i have some contacts Oct 02 04:17:25 will poke one of my friends, he is from NL somewhere, parents still live there, but are always out of the country :P lol Oct 02 04:18:08 i mean the whole country is like 30 minutes across, isn't it? O_o Oct 02 04:18:13 or an hour Oct 02 04:18:14 max Oct 02 04:18:37 dunno. I'd feel kinda weird in that situation Oct 02 04:18:52 think I'll just setup camp in a youth hostel. plus, I wanna be in the city Oct 02 04:20:11 Somebody ought to call the hotel and see if we can get in a night early. Oct 02 04:20:27 they have reservations Oct 02 04:20:32 either the rooms are reserved or not Oct 02 04:20:37 if they aren't, we pay Oct 02 04:21:02 and it's more fun if we don't know in advance Oct 02 04:21:25 lol Oct 02 04:21:57 why does everyone worry so much about this stuff? I bet you guys read plot spoilers before movies too... Oct 02 04:22:18 lol Oct 02 04:22:26 I hate going into anything without a plan. Oct 02 04:22:48 i worry about extra money i have to spend, that's all :P Oct 02 04:22:48 oh hm, i should book a hotel Oct 02 04:22:49 the best plan is a whole bunch of tactics for dealing with problems you expect to crop up Oct 02 04:22:58 lol Oct 02 04:24:10 but having this plan that x y and z will happen in order is a lot less flexible than planning for any (or all) of x y and z to either happen or not happen Oct 02 04:25:30 worst case I use the clothes from my duffel as a pillow and hope it's a warm night ;P Oct 02 04:25:37 we can take shifts on guard duty ^_^ Oct 02 04:25:53 Christ, the Ibis Hotels website is so broken. Oct 02 04:25:55 * johnx adds amsterdam to his weather applet Oct 02 04:26:28 rm_you, not warm Oct 02 04:26:37 lol Oct 02 04:26:44 Yeah, what is the weather. Oct 02 04:26:48 so i wear ALL of my clothes :P Oct 02 04:26:49 I have no idea what to pack. Oct 02 04:26:52 lol Oct 02 04:27:01 I am gonna need to find out if i OWN any longsleeve shirts Oct 02 04:27:14 53F @ 6AM (or so says the gnome weather applet) Oct 02 04:27:21 since moving to TX for this long, i've pretty much ditched all of them Oct 02 04:27:23 Yeesh Oct 02 04:27:30 meh Oct 02 04:27:31 * GeneralAntilles the Florida boy shivers. Oct 02 04:27:37 same as WA for the most part Oct 02 04:27:37 eh, 53 isn't too bad Oct 02 04:27:41 yeah Oct 02 04:28:00 though I have to set the AC on so it will get down to 72F at night here O_o Oct 02 04:28:35 temp range looks like maybe 50 - 60 Oct 02 04:29:35 I wish they had Holiday Inns over there. ;) Oct 02 04:30:49 GeneralAntilles, just let rm_you and I handle all the eventualities. I can't see many situations where we'd end up sleeping outside... :D Oct 02 04:31:04 CAMPING TRIP! :P Oct 02 04:31:08 woot Oct 02 04:31:15 * rm_you packs a travel tent Oct 02 04:31:28 * johnx looks up where the redlight district is Oct 02 04:31:45 lol Oct 02 04:34:08 Yeesh, $225.50 for one night for 3 people. Oct 02 04:34:18 hahahaha...no Oct 02 04:36:05 $22/night/person at the flying pig Oct 02 04:36:40 How far away from the Summit? Oct 02 04:37:10 * johnx googles Oct 02 04:37:28 the site is hostelworld if you guys wanna do some parallel processing :) Oct 02 04:39:14 it's like a couple blocks from the hotel Oct 02 04:39:34 Which location, the Downtown one? Oct 02 04:39:51 Ich müß meine Deutsch Hausaufgaben machen... :( Oct 02 04:39:53 yeah Oct 02 04:39:56 flying pig downtown Oct 02 04:40:07 rm_you, I think your keyboard is b0rken Oct 02 04:40:35 Doch, es ist nicht kaput! Oct 02 04:41:27 kimi no kibodo ga sukarenai (tabun...) Oct 02 04:42:40 sooo, flying pig downtown seems to come with a free contact high. heh. Oct 02 04:43:02 "surrounded by non-stop Amsterdam action!" Oct 02 04:43:08 I'm going to be dead be the end of the weekend. Oct 02 04:43:20 yes Oct 02 04:43:31 you're only young once Oct 02 04:43:36 you can sleep when you're dead Oct 02 04:44:11 Ah well, you guys figure it out and tell me where to pay. :P Oct 02 04:44:56 hmm...don't see a reason to pay until we're sure that Nokia is actually gonna fly a whole bunch of people in with no place to stay Oct 02 04:45:34 though...I guess planning on this was kinda mixed between Nokia's travel agency and the council? Oct 02 04:45:45 Yeah, and I was really lazy. :P Oct 02 04:46:01 * johnx rolls his eyes Oct 02 04:46:04 thanks... Oct 02 04:46:16 Hey, better that than burnt out. :) Oct 02 04:46:30 better burn out than fade away :P Oct 02 04:46:52 but, really what are the chances they have someplace for us thursday night? Oct 02 04:47:09 Dunno, emailing -community now to confirm one way or the other. Oct 02 04:47:21 thanks Oct 02 04:47:29 once we're 90% sure I'll tell you where to pay up Oct 02 04:48:44 GeneralAntilles, what is your feeling about walking? pro or against? Oct 02 04:49:14 Walking I can do. Oct 02 04:49:23 great. makes things easier Oct 02 04:49:46 Avoiding an atmosphere of insanity is ideal if that's the choice you're giving me. :D Oct 02 04:50:07 trying to find someplace cheap and well rated, w/ breakfast if possible Oct 02 04:50:16 saves a good chunk of cash usually Oct 02 04:51:31 also: wifi Oct 02 04:51:35 Radio-Controlled Cyborg Beetles Become Reality! Oct 02 04:51:40 EHLO all Oct 02 04:51:52 all is not a valid hostname. disconnecting Oct 02 04:52:00 NO CARRIER Oct 02 04:58:12 uhhuh Oct 02 05:01:49 yeah, I have three decent looking options, but I guess we really do need to hurry up and book. not too many beds left... Oct 02 05:03:32 On a completely unrelated note, man the '09 Mac Pros run quiet. Oct 02 05:04:02 uh, isn't hotel sponsorship for thursday night too? Oct 02 05:04:14 Stskeepz, I have no idea. Oct 02 05:04:24 Stskeepz, we're planning for eventualities Oct 02 05:04:46 because it's bloody insane if it's not Oct 02 05:05:08 Problem is, the vast majority of people are getting in Friday, no? Oct 02 05:05:20 no, thu Oct 02 05:05:33 summit starts 9.00 fri Oct 02 05:05:41 Thursday Oct 02 05:05:50 Otherwise, you miss most of Friday Oct 02 05:06:57 Well, we may have to blame Texrat. Oct 02 05:07:52 What are the suggested actions once you arrive to Amsterdam, anyway? Do you go to that hotel prebooked by Nokia and look for a Summit representative there? Oct 02 05:08:23 RST38h: in cph we went to hotel and we were pre-listed Oct 02 05:08:49 RST38h, way it worked for Danish weekend is that they had our names on a list and we showed them passports Oct 02 05:09:33 crashanddie, is going to be waiting in a dark alley with a cudgel to sell us into the code monkey business. Oct 02 05:10:03 johnx,Sts: acknowledged Oct 02 05:10:51 RST38h, well, actually the way it worked was that our names were on a list and then they gave us the wrong room numbers and our keys didn't work and we had to wait a while Oct 02 05:12:06 or that i wasn't on the list, heh Oct 02 05:14:26 * Stskeepz really doesn't hope that planning was so stupid as to not have the nights as thu nigh, fri night, sat night Oct 02 05:16:16 johnx: Ah, the usual then Oct 02 05:16:56 We have booked 40 twin rooms to host 80 sponsored participants Oct 02 05:16:56 8 - 11 October 2009 Oct 02 05:16:57 American buffet breakfast included Oct 02 05:18:25 so, why was texrat worried? Oct 02 05:18:46 * Myrtti spams a bit http://jussi01.com/?p=66 (don't kick me, atleast too hard) Oct 02 05:19:27 Burn! Oct 02 05:19:33 johnx: i actually got worried for a sec cos i was confused too Oct 02 05:20:49 rm_you, I think we still need to handle sunday night. what about you GeneralAntilles? Oct 02 05:21:17 johnx, yeah, I think so. Oct 02 05:21:53 luckily that shouldn't be as crowded Oct 02 05:22:02 Where's the airport in relation to things? Oct 02 05:23:00 yeah Oct 02 05:23:20 if you book, is it 10% and then pay the rest there as usual? Oct 02 05:23:45 cause i can pay you back the 10% if you want to book for sunday Oct 02 05:30:53 when were you two flying in? can't find you on http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Travel Oct 02 05:31:23 didn't post there yet Oct 02 05:31:34 it's like ~8AM thursday Oct 02 05:31:52 k Oct 02 05:35:38 johnx, where you flying in from? Oct 02 05:35:59 SEATAC Oct 02 05:42:26 woo, my experimental fremantle beta2 kernel compile succeeded Oct 02 05:43:45 way to roll the dice. maybe you should buy a lottery ticket :) Oct 02 05:43:58 Myrtti: what is "loco"? (other than Spanish for "crazy") Oct 02 05:46:55 RST38h: Local Community Oct 02 05:47:07 RST38h: Ubuntu local chapters in a way Oct 02 05:48:19 rm_you, adding you to the "travel plans" page Oct 02 05:48:48 kk Oct 02 05:49:02 you still have my travel link I take it? :P Oct 02 05:49:28 it appears so Oct 02 05:49:38 I have maemo logs going back into the prehistoric age :) Oct 02 05:49:59 appreciated, by the way, I'm currently trying to finish this ridiculously cheesy german essay thing while my GF is trying to sleep, it's overall aggrivating because she can't sleep well with the light on and i want to be asleep with her <_< Oct 02 05:50:13 so any less things i have to do now Oct 02 05:50:15 is nice Oct 02 05:50:29 speaking of, alt-tabbing back to that until i get pinged again :) Oct 02 05:50:41 Jaffa, hermes is so cool! Oct 02 05:50:55 Jaffa, but it doesn't run for me. :-) Oct 02 05:51:04 gnome.conf module is missing. is that known? Oct 02 05:52:34 Myrtti: Ah =) Oct 02 05:53:54 morning m-vo :) Oct 02 06:00:53 morning! Oct 02 06:02:59 mornin' m-vo Oct 02 06:04:20 * m-vo is reminded of the fish tank scene in one of the Monty Python movies... Oct 02 06:04:56 speaking of which: Hermes doesn't start because the gnome.gconf Python module is missing. In which package would that be? Oct 02 06:07:33 m-vo, python-gconf or python-gnome maybe? Oct 02 06:08:00 python2.5-gnome Oct 02 06:12:30 gnome-python! Oct 02 06:12:36 Thanks. Oct 02 06:12:43 rm_you, booking us for sunday at the flying pig Oct 02 06:12:55 So, now where do I file the bug.... my first contribution to Fremantle.... Oct 02 06:12:57 (free shuttle to airport is what tipped the scale) Oct 02 06:12:58 http://kuvaton.com/bshit/robocop-bsod.jpg Oct 02 06:16:55 Jaffa: hermess has missing dep to python-gconf Oct 02 06:17:06 Jaffa, no, to gnome-python Oct 02 06:18:28 and gnome-python Oct 02 06:18:38 yeah, noticed Oct 02 06:23:20 tigert, ahh, both? Oct 02 06:25:32 GeneralAntilles, want me to book you in the flying pig for sunday night? Oct 02 06:25:45 that's where I'm booking adam Oct 02 06:30:50 johnx, yeah, that'd be great. Oct 02 06:31:38 GAN800, between $30 and $40 USD. that ok? Oct 02 06:32:36 perfect Oct 02 06:33:35 Send me the bill and I'll PayPal you in the morning. Oct 02 06:33:54 I pay 10% up front, so just bring me cash in Amsterdam Oct 02 06:34:06 or uhm...also you could not worry about it and buy me a beer Oct 02 06:34:13 Hehe Oct 02 07:01:10 mornin' everyone) Oct 02 07:01:23 morning wazd :) Oct 02 07:01:43 I'm back in the asylum :D Oct 02 07:02:08 wazd, enjoy the bouncy walls and the stylish jacket :) Oct 02 07:02:43 no, I'm still as a visitor :P Oct 02 07:03:04 They don't give jackets to visitors(( Oct 02 07:03:34 I want my jacket! Now!!11 ARRR! Oct 02 07:09:33 johnx: Are you still in Tokyo?) Oct 02 07:10:26 it's not long until the n900 is released mhhhh Oct 02 07:10:43 how long? Oct 02 07:11:24 wazd, nope. been back in the US for exactly half a year today :) Oct 02 07:13:10 like, three weeks or so? Oct 02 07:13:36 or not? It's getting listed everywhere, seems like suppliers are getting dates Oct 02 07:13:59 johnx: ooh :) Silly me :P Oct 02 07:14:02 they said "october" which I interpret as beginning of november, but it seems like it might be on time, mid-october. Oct 02 07:17:00 wazd, so are you any closer to breaking free? Oct 02 07:17:07 /lastlog http Oct 02 07:17:08 /lastlog http Oct 02 07:17:13 fail Oct 02 07:17:29 johnx: well, kinda) Oct 02 07:18:25 johnx: in theory I already have necessary papers but in fact I need a ton of other crap Oct 02 07:19:24 So I'm traveling around Moscow, collecting that crap like fucking Mario :D Oct 02 07:19:31 ahaha Oct 02 07:19:39 more like legend of zelda Oct 02 07:19:46 "You need the big key!" Oct 02 07:20:17 Well, like any arcade/adventure :P Oct 02 07:22:05 wazd: Ok, by now we know who Koopas are, but who is gonna be the Princess Toadstool? Oct 02 07:22:43 RST38h, you played the first SMB, right? "The princess is in another castle!" Oct 02 07:22:55 so I think the princess must represent that "final" paper he needs Oct 02 07:24:36 RST38h: don't ask mate, don't ask :D Oct 02 07:25:54 tigert m-vo: Ah, yes! Thanks Oct 02 07:25:58 I knew I'd forgotten one Oct 02 07:26:25 * Jaffa will do another release today Oct 02 07:27:06 wazd: there's a joshua.maverick that actually seems to do icons and artwork well. reel him in? ;) Oct 02 07:28:17 on talk Oct 02 07:28:29 Stskeeps: Sure) Oct 02 07:28:56 Stskeeps: any examples of his work? Oct 02 07:29:38 wazd: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31322&highlight=free+design has some i think Oct 02 07:29:48 (links to products he's helping out in as well) Oct 02 07:30:56 wazd: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=331928#post331928 Oct 02 07:31:54 Can you link to a specific image cause I'm thru edge) Oct 02 07:32:46 http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4146&stc=1&d=1253675661 Oct 02 07:34:29 Well, pretty good :) Oct 02 07:35:17 Jaffa: how long should hermes take? Oct 02 07:35:24 Have something to work on but honestly way better than I expected :) Oct 02 07:35:48 its been doing its Retrieve-thing for a hour Oct 02 07:36:14 heh Oct 02 07:36:25 i was watching a law class on never talking to the police Oct 02 07:36:27 it was great Oct 02 07:36:34 global name 'FacebookError' is not defined Oct 02 07:36:36 i don't kno wwho was better. the professor or the former police officer Oct 02 07:36:36 hmm Oct 02 07:36:48 Macer, haha. saw that one :) Oct 02 07:37:00 where at the end he showed stewart and jones? :) Oct 02 07:37:01 tigert: Hmm. That could be the missing python-gnome dependency Oct 02 07:37:35 s/python-gconf/ Oct 02 07:37:36 installed that by hand already Oct 02 07:37:53 i had no idea jones used steroids Oct 02 07:38:05 maybe because i was in iraq when she was convicted Oct 02 07:38:09 didn't have much time to watch the news Oct 02 07:39:23 Macer, dude. you *were* the news Oct 02 07:45:45 heh Oct 02 07:45:48 wtf is shot put? Oct 02 07:46:18 oh. it's when you throw the heavy metal ball thing Oct 02 07:46:27 ok. for a second there i thought it was a golf thing :) Oct 02 07:46:37 and was wondering why someone would require steroids for it haha Oct 02 07:46:39 tigert: How many friends do you have? Oct 02 07:46:43 Jaffa: twitter worked Oct 02 07:46:58 facebook says that facebookerror is not defined Oct 02 07:47:08 tigert: Yup, got that fixed just now. Thanks. Oct 02 07:47:53 GeneralAntilles, I'm hardly a code monkey Oct 02 07:48:15 GeneralAntilles, however, you would be good sales opportunity, maybe I could become a codemonkey reseller Oct 02 07:51:39 Jaffa: some progressbar or such in a dialog might be nice :) Oct 02 07:51:56 Jaffa: so it basically gets avatars and extra info? Oct 02 07:52:05 UFC hall of famer Royce Gracie tested positive for Nandrolone after defeating his long time rival Kazushi Sakuraba, he was fined $2,500 and suspended for the remainder of his license Oct 02 07:52:09 wow.. no way Oct 02 07:52:11 ! Oct 02 07:52:12 how does it get my facebook login info ? Oct 02 07:52:24 Macer: in the race to my door between the n900 and the touchbook, the latter has taken the lead Oct 02 07:53:02 the n900? Oct 02 07:53:03 :) Oct 02 07:53:13 i thought you hadn't received an email Oct 02 07:53:31 are n900s available now? Oct 02 07:53:56 The [court] order is to be served against an unknown Twitter user who anonymously posts to the site using the same name as a right-wing political blogger. Oct 02 07:54:18 is it not obviously satire? Oct 02 07:54:30 Macer: now I have :) Oct 02 07:54:37 oh. you got one?? Oct 02 07:54:40 wow. lucky you :) Oct 02 07:54:41 yup Oct 02 07:54:46 get the tracking number too? Oct 02 07:54:49 not yet Oct 02 07:54:53 that's the next step Oct 02 07:55:05 well no the next step is the credit card beeing charged :p Oct 02 07:55:06 yeah.. took a few hours after receiving the "charged credit card" one Oct 02 07:55:17 that's awesome Oct 02 07:55:29 at least now there will be people i can bitch to when it doesn't work right haha Oct 02 07:56:15 mavhc, if I managed to get your IRC nick on a different network and pretended to be you, would it be satire? (though the question remains whether it's actually a crime) Oct 02 07:56:16 mine still hasn't shipped yet and i got the tracking number like 2 days ago Oct 02 07:56:33 then again. it's usps Oct 02 07:56:39 :) Oct 02 07:56:48 it's probably going to show up tomorrow afternoon Oct 02 07:56:49 depends how funny you were Oct 02 07:57:27 half of the time I'm satirising myself anyway Oct 02 07:57:54 mavhc, alright, I'm nominating you as the internet judge of the funnies Oct 02 07:58:25 order!, order! - pint of beer and some crisps please Oct 02 07:58:56 *crows boos* :P Oct 02 07:59:07 s/ws/wd/ Oct 02 07:59:07 johnx meant: *crowd boos* :P Oct 02 08:00:09 even the crows hated that one Oct 02 08:01:05 yeah, but booing? maybe ghost crows... Oct 02 08:03:01 wow.. we can thank ze Germans for nazism.. AND cocaine! Oct 02 08:03:05 The cocaine alkaloid was first isolated by the German chemist Friedrich Gaedcke in 1855. Gaedcke named the alkaloid "erythroxyline", and published a description in the journal Archiv der Pharmazie. Oct 02 08:03:49 ...and then got high as $(&* Oct 02 08:04:35 haha Oct 02 08:04:52 he probably invented "HELL YEAH!" Oct 02 08:04:59 mavhc,johnx: It is not satire it is pure unadulterated LULZ! Oct 02 08:05:00 *SNIFFFFFFF* Oct 02 08:05:16 how do you say hell yeah in german? Oct 02 08:05:16 tigert: New hermes on its way to autobuilder now Oct 02 08:05:42 ok Oct 02 08:05:51 how long does it take to get to repo? Oct 02 08:08:48 hmm, next sprint meeting is when? Oct 02 08:09:05 The actual amount of cocaine that Coca-Cola contained during the first twenty years of its production is practically impossible to determine. Oct 02 08:09:10 oops Oct 02 08:09:42 For the next round of lulz, the judge should insist that Twitter delivers the court order to the user, and Twitter should finally deliver the order to the right-wing guy himself =) Oct 02 08:10:01 After all, the names match don't they? Oct 02 08:11:06 I just want to see a twitterfied court order. "u hav to go to court 4 takin da guy's name. see u @ 9AM." Oct 02 08:13:54 i'm looking for maemo Webkit packages, and I can't find them in the pool http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/ Oct 02 08:14:07 is there some search interface somewhere? Oct 02 08:15:49 hmm. maybe there isn't a webkit for fremantle yet, given that Nokia uses gecko for their browser Oct 02 08:15:50 hendry: there is no (official) webkit for maemo (maemo's browser is based on mozilla) Oct 02 08:16:59 well is there an official one? I just want to have a quick peek at the packaging to see if there are any special build switches Oct 02 08:17:14 /s/official/UNofficial sorry Oct 02 08:18:02 well, you could be the first to try your luck with one :) Oct 02 08:18:22 The place to start would probably be the diablo webkitgtk Oct 02 08:25:00 dget http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/source/w/webkit/webkit_1.0-svn41137-8maemo1.dsc Oct 02 08:25:11 only took me 10 minutes of searching :) Oct 02 08:25:30 hendry: Talk to qwerty12_N810 . Oct 02 08:25:57 hendry: He uploaded that package and did some tweaks. Oct 02 08:25:57 http://repository.maemo.org/ is a bit old skool. A search UI would be nice. Oct 02 08:26:07 X-Fade: thanks I'll msg him Oct 02 08:26:11 Jaffa: now it authenticates with facebook at least Oct 02 08:26:30 heh Oct 02 08:26:48 Hermes, the greek god doesnt talk much :) Oct 02 08:26:57 oh, progressbar! Oct 02 08:27:07 tigert: Maybe he's just .. modest? :) Oct 02 08:27:12 if a woman has a right to choose what to do to her body.. then why can't i snort a kilo of cocaine? Oct 02 08:27:28 Macer, because you didn't make it in your uterus Oct 02 08:27:52 johnx: but the probability of dying from cocaine overdose is probably just as high as an abortion Oct 02 08:27:58 :) Oct 02 08:28:18 what a one sided world we live in. i was reading up about how cocaine was sold in local stores Oct 02 08:28:22 to children as tooth ache drops Oct 02 08:28:44 no wonder children back in the day were so much more obedient.. they were all strung out on the magic tooth ache drops Oct 02 08:28:54 mommy *SNIIIIIFF* mommy my teef *SNIFF* *SniFFF* hurrt Oct 02 08:29:01 "updated 71 contacts" Oct 02 08:29:03 schweet Oct 02 08:29:11 tigert, rockin' Oct 02 08:29:14 Jaffa: so what info should I look for? pics, birthdays and stuff? Oct 02 08:30:08 tigert: contact sync? Oct 02 08:30:14 hahaha Oct 02 08:30:40 i need more drops! I NEED THEM!! (goes to plow the field for another hit of "tooth ache drops") Oct 02 08:44:07 Corsac: Hermes Oct 02 08:44:42 Jaffa: neat Oct 02 08:44:49 Jaffa: at least avatar image fetching worked Oct 02 08:45:06 For the record, I was here earlier asking what's wrong with masquerade in n810 diablo and I finally worked it out. I was using the layer 3 independent version of connection tracking (nf_conntrack et al) which for whatever reason, just doesn't work with diablo kernel. The layer 3 dependent (now obsolete ip_conntrack et al) work just fine. Oct 02 08:45:29 hmm Oct 02 08:45:47 Jaffa: what logic does it use to match addressbook people with facebook people? Oct 02 08:45:51 Also for the record, the extras devel has iptables-nat but it's 0.2 version is busted. The earlier version would already contain necessary modules for those not interested in tinkering with a kernel themselves. Oct 02 08:46:12 Jaffa: also, would be sweet to also *import* people who dont exist in phone but do exist in facebook and contain phonenumbers or such? Oct 02 08:46:17 or does it do that already? Oct 02 08:46:23 tigert: hmhm, what's Hermes? :/ Oct 02 08:46:40 Corsac: jaffas app Oct 02 08:46:44 in fremantle-extras Oct 02 08:47:22 * Myrtti has a new hair ♥ Oct 02 08:47:55 yeah but I have no way to run anything fremantle yet :) Oct 02 08:48:02 so I still don't know what hermes does Oct 02 08:48:36 http://www.maemo-guru.com/2009/09/hermes-syncs-your-n900-contacts-with-twitter-and-facebook/ ha; this one? Oct 02 08:48:50 Corsac: yeah Oct 02 08:48:56 ok Oct 02 08:49:49 Jaffa: it doesnt seem to match all my facebook friends though Oct 02 08:53:11 Jaffa: this is an awesome idea though Oct 02 09:01:17 lunchtime & Oct 02 09:01:50 Does anybody know anything about N810 or N900 GPS chip compatibility with EGNOS? Oct 02 09:02:59 the european gps thingy? Oct 02 09:03:36 european gps is galileo, and not really available atm :) Oct 02 09:03:51 tigert, wow, you return()ed from lunch quick! Oct 02 09:04:19 yes, it's a european gps thingy Oct 02 09:04:27 The EGNOS ground stations receive signals sent out by the US GPS satellites. Oct 02 09:04:48 so its like WAAS in the US? Oct 02 09:05:17 yes Oct 02 09:12:54 tigert: It takes name from address book, applies name variants (e.g. "Michael" and "Mike") and tries to match it against Facebook & Twitter "real names". Oct 02 09:13:29 tigert: Birthdays aren't completely hooked up yet. I'm trying to see what useful info I could get from Facebook - it seems *an* email address is possible (a proxy email which FB provides) Oct 02 09:14:21 tigert: I'm going to add a manual mapping ability; with more heuristic guessing which you review. e.g. "Michael Von Damme" -> "Mike Dam" Oct 02 09:18:19 morning Oct 02 09:19:07 using a standard algo for fuzzy match Jaffa? Oct 02 09:19:14 when is galileo going to be available Oct 02 09:19:19 and will it offer any improvements Oct 02 09:19:29 compared to normal gps Oct 02 09:20:05 one thing it appears to share woth gps Oct 02 09:20:25 the US govt can command it be turned-off Oct 02 09:20:32 secret agreements Oct 02 09:20:49 Ppupnik: One of the edit distance ones, probably Oct 02 09:20:49 maybe outdated info Oct 02 09:20:53 between US govt and Satan, I hope? =) Oct 02 09:20:55 anyone can order anything to be done.. such agreement would imply wartime Oct 02 09:21:05 glass: Not necessarily Oct 02 09:21:08 Captain_Picard: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1557147/eu-upgrades-gps-service Oct 02 09:21:10 and in wartime all kinds of agreements tend to get thrown out of window anyhow Oct 02 09:21:46 i suggest avoiding reliance on both Oct 02 09:22:00 Jaffa: it doesnt seem to work for every contact Oct 02 09:22:13 it said it updated 52 Oct 02 09:22:30 how do i know what it updated? Oct 02 09:25:38 * RST38h suggests that raising the fuel costs tenfold will make consumer GPS obsolete Oct 02 09:26:43 tigert: If you run it from the command line, it outputs a log. Next version will show a contact list of updated ones Oct 02 09:26:44 RST38h, those standalone units? or GPS as part of a cell phone? Oct 02 09:27:36 johnx: Standalone of course. Not sure about part of cell phone thing, but guess they will take a hit too Oct 02 09:27:41 ok Oct 02 09:27:58 johnx: (I am assuming here that people won't start walking, they will just switch to public transport) Oct 02 09:28:03 Jaffa: why does it keep popping the notificaion N times? Oct 02 09:28:16 tigert: No idea. I know it does, but not sure why. Oct 02 09:28:34 tigert: The UI is about 48 hours old ;-) Oct 02 09:28:46 RST38h, they're way more popular as part of cellphones in Japan than in the states. think about that one. :) Oct 02 09:29:09 Jaffa: really nice app :) Oct 02 09:29:10 johnx: Hmm...true... =) Oct 02 09:29:19 Jaffa: maybe it pops the notification inside the foreach loop :) Oct 02 09:29:30 tigert: Shouldn't do :) Oct 02 09:30:32 hmm Oct 02 09:30:38 log says it gets photo, shrinks it Oct 02 09:30:42 but it doesnt show up Oct 02 09:30:42 RST38h, actually, let me dig up a TV spot that's pretty funny (it's really big business, multiple navigation apps, cell carriers trying to convince users that their navi app is the best) Oct 02 09:31:19 tigert: Hmm. Does it say "Modified 1 record"? Oct 02 09:31:25 Modified 0 Oct 02 09:31:42 tigert: What's the contact name? Oct 02 09:31:52 there are several, let me see Oct 02 09:31:58 no weird chars or such Oct 02 09:32:02 johnx: The address system is a mess, isn't it? Oct 02 09:32:07 tigert: Nothing unicodey? Oct 02 09:32:27 RST38h, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R6GCHzPwnc Oct 02 09:32:29 no Oct 02 09:32:39 now that's a question of perspective, but yeah, kinda Oct 02 09:32:52 what are the log numbers? Oct 02 09:32:56 it's also a question of lots of options Oct 02 09:33:06 stuff like: Oct 02 09:33:09 282 313 Oct 02 09:33:10 282 313 Oct 02 09:33:10 282 313 Oct 02 09:33:17 erm Oct 02 09:33:23 the first one increments Oct 02 09:33:36 ah Oct 02 09:33:43 N of N I guess Oct 02 09:33:45 RST38h, stuff like 3 different trains routes, where each one might be faster at a certain time of day, given when the connections are leaving/arriving from intermediate stations Oct 02 09:34:06 johnx: Sounds like NYC Oct 02 09:34:06 tigert: Correct Oct 02 09:35:05 does it detect already updated ones? Oct 02 09:35:16 the fbook photo urls are all correct Oct 02 09:35:23 I can load them and it shows them fine Oct 02 09:35:29 but they dont end up in the addressbook Oct 02 09:35:39 * tigert wonders if those should update on the fly Oct 02 09:35:40 does maemo 5 support msn messenger? Oct 02 09:35:43 at least some of those did Oct 02 09:35:45 O_O Oct 02 09:35:47 RST38h, yeah, like new york in that new york's train system is a like a scale model of tokyo's Oct 02 09:35:53 Captain_Picard: maybe through telepathy? Oct 02 09:35:59 doesnt support? Oct 02 09:36:00 :( Oct 02 09:36:04 tigert: I've had Contacts open and seen the photo update. Close Contacts & reopen to be sure? Oct 02 09:36:19 Captain_Picard: OOB or able to use? :P Oct 02 09:37:12 Jaffa: I see some updated Oct 02 09:37:12 tigert: Does the photo URL correspond to a JPEG? i.e. the MIME type isn't something weird? Oct 02 09:37:20 (such as image/png ;-)) Oct 02 09:37:22 and for them it says "Updated 1 records" Oct 02 09:37:54 hah Oct 02 09:38:00 found interesting bug Oct 02 09:38:06 tigert: Oh? Oct 02 09:38:11 in contacts Oct 02 09:38:16 Ah :) Oct 02 09:38:45 tigert: That suggests that the Python bit has found a contact match, but when it invokes the C program to update the photo, the C app can't find any contact with the given name. Oct 02 09:39:12 Jaffa: for some I have duplicates Oct 02 09:39:21 but thats not the case for all either Oct 02 09:39:32 is there a commandline thing I could try to run by hand to see if thre is an error? Oct 02 09:39:52 tigert: /opt/hermes/bin/contact-update 'name' --photo 'file' Oct 02 09:39:54 RST38h, try this on for size: http://www.ir.isas.jaxa.jp/~cpp/akari2009/trainmap.pdf Oct 02 09:40:39 Jaffa: ok Oct 02 09:42:27 "modified 0 records" Oct 02 09:42:46 Jaffa: --photo image/jpeg file you mean Oct 02 09:43:02 tigert: Ah yes. Oct 02 09:43:40 tigert: If you open the contact in question, is all the name in one of the fields vs. split first/last? Oct 02 09:44:06 gotcha Oct 02 09:44:06 EBookQuery *query = e_book_query_field_test(E_CONTACT_FULL_NAME, E_BOOK_QUERY_IS, argv[1]); Oct 02 09:44:15 Jaffa: those people do not initially have an avatar Oct 02 09:44:17 Is the line of code which does the matching in contact-update Oct 02 09:44:23 Jaffa: that is it Oct 02 09:44:26 I set a custom one Oct 02 09:44:35 and then the contact-update ran fine Oct 02 09:44:38 and updated it Oct 02 09:44:46 Jaffa: all gtalk contacts have avatars :) Oct 02 09:44:53 but most of my phone contacts do not Oct 02 09:45:01 i wnat my touchbook!!!! Oct 02 09:45:03 damnit Oct 02 09:45:06 tigert: Indeed, and so it shouldn't try to update them unless you say "Update" rather than "Retrieve" Oct 02 09:45:07 because they are from my N95 originally and contain just the name + phonenumber Oct 02 09:45:23 Jaffa: you should try to update, sure Oct 02 09:45:35 but maybe "set"? or how the api is? Oct 02 09:45:48 its kinda weird if it fails if avatar doesnt exist in the first place? Oct 02 09:45:50 can an n900 get google contacts? Oct 02 09:45:57 tigert: I mean the two buttons on the front. One'll not change any which have an avatar/picture already; the second will overwrite existing ones. Oct 02 09:46:39 tigert: It definitely will put pictures against things which do not have a picture (the main use case). And you can unset a contact's photo by selecting the top-left blue man in the picture chooser in Contacts. Oct 02 09:46:41 Jaffa: in my case, those contacts had no avatar, but facebook had pics for them Oct 02 09:46:49 Jaffa: this is what happened Oct 02 09:46:56 Jaffa: I saved an avatar by hand Oct 02 09:47:05 tried to run the commmandline with that image Oct 02 09:47:07 it failed Oct 02 09:47:11 opened that contact in Contacts Oct 02 09:47:18 set a custom avatar of a silly yellow penguin Oct 02 09:47:21 ran the commandline again Oct 02 09:47:25 and it worked now Oct 02 09:47:54 tigert: Hmm. I need that contact record (or a similar one) to see what was the initial set up Oct 02 09:48:02 ok Oct 02 09:49:55 * tigert wonders how to get that the easiest way Oct 02 09:53:56 BEGIN:VCARD Oct 02 09:53:56 VERSION:2.1 Oct 02 09:53:56 UID:281 Oct 02 09:53:56 REV:20090115T164944 Oct 02 09:53:56 N:Foo;Bar;;; Oct 02 09:53:59 TEL;CELL:+358400123456 Oct 02 09:54:01 END:VCARD Oct 02 09:54:04 Oct 02 09:54:06 changed the name and number of course Oct 02 09:54:09 but this is what it has Oct 02 09:55:49 hmm Oct 02 09:55:57 hell yeah. new ncis episodes Oct 02 09:56:12 yay, no more segfaults in my scrapers Oct 02 09:57:40 Jaffa: after I set the avatar by hand: Oct 02 10:00:56 Jaffa: then it has PHOTO-entry, REV is in different format Oct 02 10:00:58 REV:2009-10-02T09:57:19Z Oct 02 10:01:17 but this is via contacts export. so it could be just that too Oct 02 10:01:23 tigert: What does the PHOTO entry look like? And is there a name change? Oct 02 10:01:31 name is the same Oct 02 10:02:34 PHOTO;TYPE=png;ENCODING=b:iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAANgAAADY....... Oct 02 10:02:36 OK, thanks. I'll import a contact like that and see why it's being odd. Oct 02 10:02:46 also Oct 02 10:03:01 I dunno, this is vcard3.0 or 2.1 depending on how I export Oct 02 10:03:14 there is N and FN -fields on 3.0 Oct 02 10:03:38 but the 2.1 is the same except for the PHOTO and REV-difference format Oct 02 10:07:07 tigert: If you re-import the 2.1 card above, does contact-update then work on it? Oct 02 10:08:10 hmm the one that didnt work originally? Oct 02 10:10:25 yeah Oct 02 10:10:42 I suspect it might, and the vCard hasn't captured whatever weirdness was happening Oct 02 10:11:15 I wonder why it doesnt save birthdays Oct 02 10:11:33 does it save those separately from photos? Oct 02 10:11:46 since it doesnt seem to run the birthday update when it adds a photo too Oct 02 10:15:05 re-importing doesnt fix it Oct 02 10:17:08 same thing happens with birthday Oct 02 10:17:16 if I add a bogus birthday, it saves a new one ok Oct 02 10:17:23 this failed one didnt have one initially Oct 02 10:18:07 does it get mail addresses from facebook btw? Oct 02 10:18:20 can you get those with facebook api? Oct 02 10:19:33 tigert: It doesn't save birthdays as I've not linked them up yet Oct 02 10:19:43 tigert: You can get a "proxy" email address which goes through facebook.com Oct 02 10:20:01 tigert: http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.php/Users.getInfo shows what I can get Oct 02 10:20:38 ok Oct 02 10:20:43 tigert: So I'm thinking of adding website (since you can have multiple). This'll also help with resyncs for manual mapping Oct 02 10:21:21 why would I want a proxy email? Oct 02 10:21:37 I mean, a bunch of my friends have email addresses on their facebook profile Oct 02 10:21:44 and it would be sweet to pull them too Oct 02 10:21:48 tigert: Which a facebook application can't read. Oct 02 10:21:52 ah Oct 02 10:22:04 probably for a valid reason in other ways Oct 02 10:22:25 tigert: http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.php/Proxied_Email Oct 02 10:22:58 Ah, I can't include the proxied email address anyway Oct 02 10:24:18 suck Oct 02 10:24:28 I guess that is good for spam prevention Oct 02 10:24:32 but sucks for legit use Oct 02 10:26:48 * zerojay yawns. Oct 02 10:26:54 Jaffa: but yeah, can you test if you can add a contact with just phone number and name? Oct 02 10:27:00 and add a photo to it with the commandlinetool? Oct 02 10:27:15 it works here only if I set an avatar first Oct 02 10:27:19 same with birthday Oct 02 10:28:16 Jaffa: so is it possible to pull phonenumbers? Oct 02 10:28:45 I still haven't been able to really get Hermes to work yet. Worked for Twitter... Facebook just gave me an error about "FacebookError" being undefined though. Oct 02 10:28:54 zerojay: update Oct 02 10:29:20 Oh, there's an update? Nice. Oct 02 10:29:36 tigert: Will do. I'll add a new contact and just set name & phone number Oct 02 10:29:48 tigert: Not from Facebook, unless I missed it in that Users.getInfo URL above Oct 02 10:30:38 Jaffa: I guess they are jealous of their data stored Oct 02 10:34:38 Well... trying updated Hermes... Oct 02 10:34:44 * zerojay crosses fingers. Oct 02 10:34:46 Jaffa: http://brad.livejournal.com/2398409.html Oct 02 10:35:01 :) its python! Oct 02 10:35:36 no wait Oct 02 10:35:41 greasemonkey Oct 02 10:36:49 but this could be hacked to export vcards... :) Oct 02 10:37:05 and then use hermes to merge them? :) Oct 02 10:37:09 heh Oct 02 10:37:17 it might work ok Oct 02 10:37:23 Ok.. um... Hermes found 11 contacts and updated them, but my contacts app now shows everyone as offline. :) Oct 02 10:37:57 Hmm.. okay... it's all back now. Never mind. Oct 02 10:39:37 Jaffa: Can we also pull their Facebook URL and pop that into a website field for each found user? Oct 02 10:41:38 Phone is dead :( Oct 02 10:42:18 :( Oct 02 10:44:26 zerojay: Yup. And same for Twitter. Oct 02 10:44:41 zerojay: Then I'll use that post manual mapping to identify source data systems Oct 02 10:47:39 excellent. I know it was an obvious question, but I just wanted to make sure it gets in. ;) Oct 02 10:48:21 So far, so good. I found I pretty much have to name my friends if I want to grab their data from Facebook and that's okay. Oct 02 10:48:55 Can't expect miracles. :) Oct 02 10:49:06 * Stskeeps wouldn't mind seeing facebook chat plugin too Oct 02 10:49:26 Collabora is working on that, as far as I know. Oct 02 10:51:13 the browser is the portal to the users Oct 02 10:54:25 gateway drug Oct 02 10:56:43 woot Oct 02 10:56:44 tigert: How easy is it to add more fields to the Address book? Oct 02 10:56:52 now it updated that one contact that didnt before wokr Oct 02 10:57:26 zerojay: edit -> add field -> choose Oct 02 10:57:29 but those are predefined Oct 02 10:57:41 That's what I'm talking about. Adding a new predefined field type. Oct 02 10:57:56 you mean to extend the list of predefined ones? Oct 02 10:57:59 Yes. Oct 02 10:58:00 havent poked around Oct 02 10:58:22 An awful lot of my friends are on Xbox Live/PSN... :) Oct 02 10:58:32 menu - actions - edit - field - add - add predefined :) Oct 02 10:59:00 Fail. Oct 02 10:59:00 zerojay: I imagine it's tricky, cos of i18n concerns Oct 02 10:59:17 And password confirmation :D Oct 02 11:02:34 What desktop widgets do you guys feel that you need? Oct 02 11:03:03 Data use is already done... ip address probably done within the day. Oct 02 11:03:41 cpu/memory status Oct 02 11:04:43 Jaffa: too bad facebook terms of service are not in favor of screenscraping Oct 02 11:04:47 Phonecall cost monitor Oct 02 11:04:49 tigert: Indeed Oct 02 11:04:59 zerojay: A nice big clock Oct 02 11:05:05 however that addressbooker can make you vcards Oct 02 11:05:09 which you can import directly Oct 02 11:05:15 then you need to merge though Oct 02 11:05:19 Jaffa: Even with a clock already in the status bar? Oct 02 11:05:20 Hmm, interesting: http://forum.o2.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=157795&sid=ddb214941e20a3b32a5ae4db770ccf06#157795 Oct 02 11:05:23 * Jaffa wishes there was a "Merge All" for exact matches Oct 02 11:05:34 Jaffa: you could write a "merger" app? Oct 02 11:05:43 :) Oct 02 11:05:51 zerojay: Yeah, one taking up at least a quarter of the screen. Either nice-looking analogue or flip-clock like Oct 02 11:06:05 tigert: True. The existing merge has that handy conflict resolution Oct 02 11:06:06 ccooke: YEah.. and Zenith is already 100% wrong. Oct 02 11:06:08 ccooke: yeah - I linked to that a while ago Oct 02 11:06:20 Jaffa: Okay. Oct 02 11:07:02 SpeedEvil: sorry, missed that Oct 02 11:07:23 Jaffa: but exact matches you could probably just script automatically Oct 02 11:07:47 because thats what 98% of the stuff you pull from facebook will be Oct 02 11:08:22 ccooke: though one of the better offers - PAYG rolling 1 month contract SIM - for 400 quid - has gone Oct 02 11:08:36 SpeedEvil: hmm. Not bad. Oct 02 11:08:50 I was trying to see if there was anything online about CPW having the n900 Oct 02 11:08:52 tigert: maybe Oct 02 11:08:55 that would be quite a win Oct 02 11:09:12 but they don't seem to do preorders. Have to wait a month or three, it seems Oct 02 11:09:29 Gah. Not clear if there are Python bindings for http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/libosso-abook/OssoABookContactView.html#osso-abook-contact-view-new - that'd be a pain as it's a nice view for summarising the changes Oct 02 11:10:01 * Jaffa needs a Python binding expert such as Andy80 ;-) Oct 02 11:10:28 ccooke: yeah - you can basically get a few hundred minutes a month, on a 12 month contract with free internet for under the price on nokia.com, which isnt bad. Oct 02 11:10:41 SpeedEvil: ... there's still the £400 PAYG sim Oct 02 11:11:15 ccooke: lowest I see is 449 Oct 02 11:11:36 ccooke: anyway - not very important for me. Oct 02 11:11:50 SpeedEvil: It's a vodaphone PAYG Oct 02 11:12:45 ccooke: ah - they broke the form. 'all networks' doesn't show it Oct 02 11:13:19 35 fps atm w/o accurate graphics Oct 02 11:14:06 SpeedEvil: huh. Did on mine. Javascript glitch? Oct 02 11:14:35 while running tear+xchat+ssh Oct 02 11:15:10 pupnik: what's wrong with the graphics? Oct 02 11:15:52 ccooke: maybe Oct 02 11:19:09 accurate graphics is an emulator toggle - disabling speeds it up Oct 02 11:19:19 I'm trying to install sdk beta 2 and I'm failing hard Oct 02 11:19:25 http://pastebin.com/d21ed21f1 Oct 02 11:19:54 I've googled for hours and nothing mada me go forward Oct 02 11:20:06 s/mada/made Oct 02 11:20:21 panaggio: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=28177 Oct 02 11:20:26 panaggio: your google skills fail Oct 02 11:20:42 crashanddie_ maybe Oct 02 11:25:01 Jaffa: I just spoke to someone about Python bindings for the address book Oct 02 11:25:48 I'll email him back and let him know you're interested, if you are? Oct 02 11:25:53 bbiam, need to reboot Oct 02 11:30:57 lardman: There's python-evolution which lets you manipulate EContacts (and read it). It's the Python bindings for the osso address book widgets & functions on top of Evolution I need now :) Oct 02 11:31:41 jaffa, the n900 push guys had something with the rolodex and contacts Oct 02 11:31:56 im sure they said it was system contacts Oct 02 11:32:01 re Oct 02 11:33:10 lardman: There's python-evolution which lets you manipulate EContacts (and read it). It's the Python bindings for the osso address book widgets & functions on top of Evolution I need now :) Oct 02 11:33:24 lcuk: Yeah, there's stuff in C - which works Oct 02 11:33:36 I could always go the GtkPlug & Socket route to embed a C widget Oct 02 11:34:10 im *sure* they used python Oct 02 11:34:20 just a mo Oct 02 11:34:44 ah, the code I was sent was to add vCards Oct 02 11:34:49 http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Using_the_Easy_API Oct 02 11:34:53 try this for an api! Oct 02 11:34:57 im sure this is what they used Oct 02 11:35:04 RST38h, ping Oct 02 11:35:12 wb waz1 Oct 02 11:35:43 VDVsx: oh, heya :) Oct 02 11:35:51 Stskeeps: heya)) Oct 02 11:36:07 hey waz1 ;) Oct 02 11:36:43 bloody core dumps Oct 02 11:37:04 that sounds .. nasty Oct 02 11:37:05 :P Oct 02 11:37:12 yikes Oct 02 11:37:16 yeah go see a doctor Oct 02 11:37:27 VDVsx: Got your email, maybe you can use just simple darker background for selection Oct 02 11:37:43 I am a doctor! Oct 02 11:37:48 VDVsx: since we don't have any gloss around Oct 02 11:37:49 waz1, yeah I'm using it ;) Oct 02 11:38:19 waz1, will send you a screenshot after lunch :) Oct 02 11:38:59 VDVsx: don't rush, I'm temporary unable to see it :) Oct 02 11:39:14 lcuk: how do binaries compiled using the Diablo SDK work for you on N900? Oct 02 11:39:25 personally i have no issues Oct 02 11:39:52 but i know some things fail badly Oct 02 11:40:05 might be a gstreamer incompatibility Oct 02 11:40:14 thats feasible Oct 02 11:40:16 will have to recompile using the right SDK Oct 02 11:40:40 and I just rebooted to Windows to do a presentation, bad timing Oct 02 11:41:02 waz1, have you been kidnapped by the army ? :P Oct 02 11:41:05 yeah its always the way Oct 02 11:41:27 VDVsx: no, by my granddad :D Oct 02 11:41:52 better then ;) Oct 02 11:43:40 * lardman wonders why his lovely web scraping code works fine in a test harness, but not when in the app. Drat! Oct 02 11:44:58 VDVsx: army has internets though :D Oct 02 11:45:06 ccooke: interesting in that thread 'Carphone Warehouse are trying to get me to stay with them by dangling the N900 in front of me. If it's on O2 then I'll *consider* it, but right now my PAC is burning a hole in my pocket.' Oct 02 11:46:23 waz1, well, but they don't want you there for Internet surfing, I guess ;) Oct 02 11:46:47 VDVsx: you don't know Russian Army :D Oct 02 11:47:07 waz1, true, lol Oct 02 11:48:38 VDVsx: personally I don't care much bout army itself, I have right skills to avoid digging holes, but I care bout leaving my mom for a year Oct 02 11:49:06 waz1, :( Oct 02 11:49:47 VDVsx: but since I'm not going there after all - whatever :D Oct 02 11:49:57 waz1, here you can skip army easily (now), if you're a student or have a stable job Oct 02 11:50:53 Vdvsx: I'm not a student anymore and I can't have stable job for now :) Oct 02 11:53:04 waz1, I heard that a very successful entrepreneur (Stskeeps) will offer you a good job :P Oct 02 11:53:27 kidding ;) Oct 02 11:53:33 i wish i had the cash to hire wazd :P Oct 02 11:53:50 Hi All! Oct 02 11:54:08 Any have maemo 5, dev tools on Gentoo Linux? Oct 02 11:54:31 Stskeeps: I haven't contacted your guy ye to avoid problems for you, since I have very tricky connection Oct 02 11:54:38 Stskeeps: he's expensive is he Oct 02 11:55:05 won't get out of bed for less than £1k Oct 02 11:55:17 lardman: ueel vorg 4 chizburga :D Oct 02 11:55:41 is that Klingon, didn't look like Russian? Oct 02 11:55:50 ah, transliteration Oct 02 11:55:56 I get it now, not used to talking Oct 02 11:56:20 :) Oct 02 11:57:00 Ok, leaving connection now, hope to bbl :) Oct 02 11:57:11 cu later Oct 02 12:01:56 qwerty12_N810: ping Oct 02 12:02:38 I've followed crashanddie's link, but I still get the same error http://pastebin.com/d21ed21f1 . I'm on an turion x2 64 with ubuntu 9.04 64 and installing maemo 5 sdk beta 2 Oct 02 12:03:16 sorry, I've followed crashanddie_'s link Oct 02 12:06:45 Jaffa, did you see the easy api Oct 02 12:06:51 and does it appear to have what you need Oct 02 12:07:29 lcuk: There's nothing in the Easy API that I can't do with python-evolution (and it's missing other stuff) Oct 02 12:08:14 lcuk: So what I'm missing now is Python code to reproduce the osso-abook widgets (e.g. scrolling contacts view with online status and thumbnail) Oct 02 12:08:18 Back in 1958, Ford designed models of its batmobile-like concept with lead-shielded uranium fission-plant. Oct 02 12:08:46 can anyone spot the error in openURL() here: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/branches/simon_wip/maemo-barcode/web.c?revision=96&root=maemo-barcode&view=markup Oct 02 12:08:46 the dialog refuses to close Oct 02 12:08:46 lcuk: Actually manipulating the database is (relatively) easy - and already done Oct 02 12:09:25 alright, just thought that api was quite nice and simple and gave some simpler access Oct 02 12:09:29 lcuk: i.e. a Python version of http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Generic_Platform_Components/Using_Address_Book_API#OssoABookContactView Oct 02 12:09:46 lcuk: The python-evolution API isn't really any harder. Oct 02 12:09:53 fair enough Oct 02 12:19:29 I've got it to work myself. thanks anyway Oct 02 12:19:53 SpeedEvil: (back from lunch): That is, in fact, the post I linked to directly. I thought it was interesting :-) Oct 02 12:20:23 ah - the forum wasn't very clear Oct 02 12:22:43 * ShadowJK wonders if anyone noticed the Nvidia(C) in the N900 manual Oct 02 12:23:15 the what? Oct 02 12:23:51 what part would be nvidia? :P Oct 02 12:24:26 beats me :-) Oct 02 12:24:51 It's on same page as GPL offer for sauce and various other copyright notices Oct 02 12:27:01 lcuk: lardman: doh - https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/pymaemo-developers/2009-October/000973.html Oct 02 12:29:56 I see Oct 02 12:30:10 not too worried now that I've moved back to C Oct 02 12:30:22 but I am worried about that dialog, has anyone spotted an error in there? Oct 02 12:31:04 lardman: Given up on Python for the UI? Oct 02 12:31:29 anyone else having trouble connecting to repository.maemo.org? Oct 02 12:31:37 for apt-get update in scratchbox that is Oct 02 12:31:38 Jaffa: yeah Oct 02 12:32:02 Jaffa: startup was slow and I need as much speed as possible to run the decoders at the same time as the camera display really Oct 02 12:32:26 Jaffa: only took an afternoon to port back Oct 02 12:32:34 hola ;) Oct 02 12:33:31 lardman: Manual memory management pisses me off though. And I like my OO. Oct 02 12:34:05 vesa: echo "hosts: files dns" > /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf Oct 02 12:34:07 Jaffa: yeah, keeping track of all the pointers has caused some real pain Oct 02 12:36:05 just got finished making my list of Os2008 themes if I'm missing any please let me know http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=337578#post337578 Oct 02 12:37:46 * ShadowJK hopes for lcars&qurgh themes on n900 Oct 02 12:38:30 AndrewFBlack: nice! noticed a typo, 'Screensot' Oct 02 12:38:54 Automatic memory management usually causes the system to exhaust all memory Oct 02 12:39:07 I.e. you still get pointers, they just get leaked Oct 02 12:39:18 mvz, thnanks lol and its on everyone Oct 02 12:39:40 RST38h: Yeah yeah, whatever. Oct 02 12:52:51 Jaffa: well at least dialogs work in Python, I'll give it that much ;) Oct 02 12:53:31 hi Oct 02 12:53:42 hey woglinde Oct 02 12:53:44 jo qwerty Oct 02 12:53:52 qwerty12: did you work out what was up with that dialog? Oct 02 12:53:54 Hiya, woglinde Oct 02 12:54:01 lardman: nope Oct 02 12:54:12 which dialog? Oct 02 12:54:23 let me find the link again Oct 02 12:54:32 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/branches/simon_wip/maemo-barcode/web.c?revision=96&root=maemo-barcode&view=markup Oct 02 12:54:39 openURL, right at the bottom Oct 02 12:54:44 dialog won't close Oct 02 12:55:25 the url with qwerty? Oct 02 12:55:46 yeah, with a comment about qwerty before it Oct 02 12:56:22 hm Oct 02 12:56:41 you cannt close a openURL window? Oct 02 12:56:43 an Oct 02 12:57:27 not sure I understand, in the fn openURL() I create a dialog to ask the user if they want to open the url, but I can't get the dialog to diappear once they press a button Oct 02 12:57:51 ?????? Oct 02 12:57:55 dont get it Oct 02 12:58:03 have a look at the code Oct 02 12:58:04 so if you want open it a second time it dont works Oct 02 12:58:46 no, just close once. gtk_widget_destroy(dialog) doesn't seem to work Oct 02 12:59:03 hm ah Oct 02 12:59:17 now I understand Oct 02 12:59:39 lardman: I think dialogs do wierd things when you try to destroy them and they have the "DESTROY_WITH_PARENT" flag set... Oct 02 12:59:49 lardman hm Oct 02 12:59:51 GTK_DIALOG_DESTROY_WITH_PARENT Oct 02 13:00:02 maybe thats the problem? Oct 02 13:00:30 I thought that was just to ensure it does get destroyed if the app is closed Oct 02 13:00:59 qt is so much nicer Oct 02 13:01:05 lardman: I think that is used when you need to preserve the dialogs contents while the parent is still extant Oct 02 13:01:06 cheesecake is faster Oct 02 13:01:20 fiferboy: ah, ok Oct 02 13:01:26 let us look into the docu Oct 02 13:01:30 lardman: In that case, you would hide the dialog instead of destroying it, and when the parent is destroyed the dialog goes with it Oct 02 13:01:52 yeah, right will try removing that one Oct 02 13:01:52 cheers chaps Oct 02 13:01:57 lardman so maybee hide it Oct 02 13:02:18 nah I want it gone not hidden Oct 02 13:02:54 why not? Oct 02 13:03:08 so its easier to open when you need it a second time Oct 02 13:03:18 only update url Oct 02 13:03:24 should catch so much ram Oct 02 13:03:30 shouldnt Oct 02 13:04:01 perhaps, anyway I'll try removing the flag and hopefully that will fix things Oct 02 13:04:49 good luck Oct 02 13:04:54 reboot now Oct 02 13:04:55 thanks :) Oct 02 13:08:34 Is it considered bad form to thumbs up your own application to get it to a karma of 10? :) Oct 02 13:09:01 lol, only if you tell everyone Oct 02 13:09:12 Oops, my first mistake... Oct 02 13:09:23 I don't know actually Oct 02 13:09:31 * qwerty12 will thumb down to balance it out ;) Oct 02 13:09:44 you're so evil., Oct 02 13:09:46 * fiferboy breaks qwerty12's thumbs Oct 02 13:10:01 going to get pass qwerty12' filter is going to be worse than passing through the Apple Store one. Oct 02 13:10:22 Nah, I can be bribed with ganja Oct 02 13:10:57 qwerty12: qwertyJobs, when are you going to reject oyur first VoIP app? ;) Oct 02 13:11:10 fiferboy: Ah, don't worry shoot away =) Oct 02 13:11:24 This reminds me though... Oct 02 13:23:47 bbl Oct 02 13:39:44 wb rm_you Oct 02 14:03:25 Stskeeps: heyas Oct 02 14:03:33 stupidfreenode Oct 02 14:03:39 GF was using my laptop earlier while i was asleep still, lol Oct 02 14:06:59 re Oct 02 14:11:46 hey, would it be ok to post an invite to mozilla qa's testday on fennec 1.0 beta 4 ? Oct 02 14:11:46 i don't want to spam Oct 02 14:11:46 but i'm not sure who's the op in here Oct 02 14:12:37 aakashd: Sure, why not? Oct 02 14:14:11 thanks X-Fade Oct 02 14:14:28 mozQA is hold a testday on Fennec 1.0 Beta 4 in #testday on irc.mozilla.org ! For those interested, come over and help test the latest and greatest Fennec build! Oct 02 14:14:31 thanks again :) Oct 02 14:16:12 Vittu Oct 02 14:16:18 Oops, wrong ch Oct 02 14:18:29 hello, does anybody know if it will be possible to run usb port in gadget mode (to use the device as storage)? Oct 02 14:19:20 liori: On N900 or N8x0? Oct 02 14:19:26 n900 Oct 02 14:19:30 either Oct 02 14:19:47 well, i'm planning to buy n900... Oct 02 14:19:58 ~lart segfaults Oct 02 14:19:58 * infobot resizes segfaults's terminal to 40x24 Oct 02 14:20:00 Oh, use it as sotrage. Oct 02 14:20:05 inz: :thumbsup: Oct 02 14:20:06 s/sotrage/storage/ Oct 02 14:20:06 Jaffa meant: Oh, use it as storage. Oct 02 14:20:12 :-D Oct 02 14:20:25 liori: Yeah, the devices show up as mass storage device. Oct 02 14:20:27 liori: Both expose the internal memory and external card as USB Mass Storage when plugged in. Oct 02 14:20:47 liori: The N8x0 can also do USB host. But the N900 can't due to the complications introduced by USB charging Oct 02 14:20:54 i'd like to export a custom image over usb Oct 02 14:22:19 liori: "image"? Oct 02 14:22:44 filesystem image Oct 02 14:23:07 Jaffa: gadget Oct 02 14:23:09 liori: and "custom" to whom? Oct 02 14:23:11 gadget = USB device Oct 02 14:23:21 Like acting like a mass-storage device Oct 02 14:23:26 ah Oct 02 14:23:27 sorry Oct 02 14:23:33 * SpeedEvil needs to read backscroll Oct 02 14:23:56 i'd like to make a set of images to boot hosts over usb Oct 02 14:24:10 to install debian, fedora, whatever Oct 02 14:25:24 i almost managed to do that with freerunner... the only thing was that I've lost my usb cable and keep forgetting to buy a new one :-) Oct 02 14:27:35 so, will this be possible? :-) Oct 02 14:28:05 reading the Maemo 5 dev guide and specifically the bit about porting from maemo 4->5, it says maemo 5 has no focus. Does this apply to things like listviews too? Oct 02 14:28:58 liori: acting as mass-storage device? sure Oct 02 14:29:20 lardman: treeviews have "certain" focus if in edit mode Oct 02 14:29:47 ah, I guess I'm thinking of "selected" Oct 02 14:29:47 which is something new and entirely specific to hildon afaik. Oct 02 14:30:15 yeah, row selection Oct 02 14:30:27 hmm, anyone around with knowledge of the hildon desktop composite/non-composite mode? Oct 02 14:31:25 not that my row selection code works very well anyway :) Oct 02 14:32:19 hmm, but in the forum.nokia.com docs, where do I post that? Oct 02 14:32:21 bug Oct 02 14:33:40 hmm, have to join Oct 02 14:35:01 lardman: bug in the documentation? Oct 02 14:35:12 where, in maemo4->5? Oct 02 14:35:20 * Myrtti perks up her ears Oct 02 14:35:28 http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/019c2b31-3777-49a0-9257-970d79580756/Hildon_2_2_Widget_UI_Specification.html Oct 02 14:35:48 link to "Hildon 2.2 UI Style Guide." is broken Oct 02 14:36:09 oh, right Oct 02 14:36:35 lardman: the difference being there is no rocker key Oct 02 14:36:38 I thought there was a bug or a mistake in the content Oct 02 14:36:42 nevermind then Oct 02 14:36:57 Myrtti: well no content is surely close to a mistake ;) Oct 02 14:36:58 and no "select item with key -> press action button" Oct 02 14:37:06 like on N810 Oct 02 14:37:09 tigert: rocker key? Oct 02 14:37:16 tigert: draggy thing along the edge? Oct 02 14:37:25 the cursor arrow-key Oct 02 14:37:29 ok Oct 02 14:38:04 so maemo5 ui is more like list view - select item - opens new "view" of _that_ item Oct 02 14:38:09 with actions there Oct 02 14:38:23 yeah I've seen that, was just wondering about listviews specifically Oct 02 14:38:30 anyway np I'll test it this evening Oct 02 14:38:43 so direct press ->action Oct 02 14:39:09 instead of navigate to -> press action Oct 02 14:39:19 if my explanation makes sense Oct 02 14:39:39 yeah I get what you mean (as I just read the maemo4->5 porting guide too) Oct 02 14:39:44 ok good Oct 02 14:39:50 good morning...where is the best place to get supplies for my n810 Oct 02 14:43:50 purevol: power socket? Oct 02 14:43:55 purevol: what sort of supplies? Oct 02 14:45:56 any supplies really Oct 02 14:45:58 stylus Oct 02 14:46:13 probably available on the Nokia website? Oct 02 14:46:14 need a stylus cause i loaned this to my retarded brother and he lost the stylus Oct 02 14:46:39 memory card Oct 02 14:46:45 anywhere Oct 02 14:46:52 i have Sd, and micro SD but no MINI Oct 02 14:47:00 get a mini converter Oct 02 14:47:09 buy a random card which has one with it Oct 02 14:47:20 don't get Sandisk, they don't work, Kingston works well for me Oct 02 14:48:06 i ride a ducati, sandisk sponsors ducati, i gott buy sandisk Oct 02 14:48:27 plus all my sandisk data collection works on my ducati and other various electronics Oct 02 14:49:06 well if they sponsor you, ask them why their cards don't work Oct 02 14:49:15 otherwise just buy something else ;) Oct 02 14:49:31 s/cards/card adaptors Oct 02 14:51:25 no me, the ducati motogp and world superbike racing teams Oct 02 14:51:37 really, their cards wont work in the n810? Oct 02 14:51:49 the cards are fine Oct 02 14:52:00 it's the micro->mini adaptors that people have troubles with Oct 02 14:52:06 there's a bug on the bugtracker about it Oct 02 14:52:23 strange really as the adaptors are just contacts afaict Oct 02 14:52:26 but there you go Oct 02 14:52:26 probably too big a voltage drop. Oct 02 14:53:23 yeah Oct 02 14:55:10 well thanks for the heads up Oct 02 14:55:40 X-Fade: through a 4mm piece of metal? =) Oct 02 14:55:56 Or is there an actual voltage converter in the adapter? Oct 02 14:56:26 Not usually. Oct 02 14:56:59 All of them I have dissasembled (probably 4 or 5) - were just metal Oct 02 15:03:44 what is the max size of the minisd will the n810 support? Oct 02 15:03:57 I think the max size they make Oct 02 15:04:50 i assumed there were limitations Oct 02 15:05:37 I know that the n800 can handle Oct 02 15:05:50 any capacity sd card Oct 02 15:06:03 SDHC - up to 64G (IIRC) Oct 02 15:06:03 right on Oct 02 15:06:12 SDXC - the signalling isn't clear Oct 02 15:06:20 i thought it was more of an kernel os thing opposed to a hardware thing Oct 02 15:06:22 so it may not have a backwards compatible mode Oct 02 15:06:32 ah Oct 02 15:06:34 SD->SDHC is pretty much a kernel thing Oct 02 15:06:35 SDXC is different iirc Oct 02 15:06:43 well Oct 02 15:06:50 what about n810 Oct 02 15:06:52 SDXC may not be - I haven't seen any definitive statement if it'll be backwards compat Oct 02 15:06:53 needs dedicated hw or somesuch Oct 02 15:06:55 which was the original question... Oct 02 15:06:56 :) Oct 02 15:07:03 SDXC is backwards compat Oct 02 15:07:12 sdxc does not exist yet does it? Oct 02 15:07:17 (ive never seen one...) Oct 02 15:07:27 hmm, I thought that was what's in the N900? Oct 02 15:07:34 i though it Oct 02 15:07:37 was a mini or a micro sd card Oct 02 15:07:39 ah no, that's eMMC Oct 02 15:07:42 (I get them confused...) Oct 02 15:07:45 the largest mini sd i can seem to find is 8g anyhow Oct 02 15:07:54 i have a n810, it requires a miniSD, correct? Oct 02 15:08:05 purevol: ignore the minis themselves, get micro + adaptor, cheaper that way Oct 02 15:08:12 yeah Oct 02 15:08:29 lardman: do you have any link to sdxc being backwards compatible - I haven't seen any info Oct 02 15:08:48 how do you kill a program that wont seem to shut down? Oct 02 15:08:49 sorry was thinking of eMMC, scratch my earlier comment Oct 02 15:08:52 on the n800 Oct 02 15:09:01 hrm so there are micros with mini adapator Oct 02 15:09:30 yes Oct 02 15:10:51 but i shouldnt get a sandisk, because they dont work in the nokia? Oct 02 15:11:10 card is fine, adaptor not Oct 02 15:11:52 just so we are clear - this is bad - http://cgi.ebay.com/San-Disk-Micro-SD-4GB-SDHC-TransFlash-TF-Memory-Mini_W0QQitemZ390100862756QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDigital_Camera_Memory_Cards?hash=item5ad3d2c724&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Oct 02 15:12:17 probably yes Oct 02 15:13:07 some people were saying they had sucess with no-name micro->mini adaptors from ebay though Oct 02 15:13:20 so buy it for the card and get a no-name adaptor if that doesn't work Oct 02 15:13:31 but I'd get a larger card myself Oct 02 15:13:58 any one know the pid for liqbase playground? Oct 02 15:14:04 im trying to kill it from command line Oct 02 15:14:06 because it wont close Oct 02 15:14:08 and its jammed Oct 02 15:14:12 and I dont want to boot my tablet Oct 02 15:14:13 ps Oct 02 15:14:20 then "kill -9 pid_here" Oct 02 15:14:32 well Oct 02 15:14:33 the issue Oct 02 15:14:34 pid changes on every run Oct 02 15:14:39 oh Oct 02 15:14:47 I thought that was the program name Oct 02 15:14:48 haha Oct 02 15:14:49 process id Oct 02 15:14:56 killall liqbase Oct 02 15:15:06 or that Oct 02 15:15:10 :) Oct 02 15:15:10 Tadthebuilder: you can find it using 'ps axfww' Oct 02 15:15:44 killall liqbase does not work Oct 02 15:15:51 because its the updated testing version Oct 02 15:15:57 im seeing if I can find it using ps axfww Oct 02 15:16:08 ps -a should work too, less typingh Oct 02 15:16:10 Tadthebuilder: Find the process name and use that in killall, then Oct 02 15:16:17 ah okay Oct 02 15:16:19 thats jaffa Oct 02 15:16:26 lardman: but use of a symbol shift ;-) Oct 02 15:16:34 ah Oct 02 15:16:39 ps a then ;) Oct 02 15:17:03 thanks* Oct 02 15:18:13 lardman, Jaffa: Busybox doesn't listen to arguments ;) Oct 02 15:18:19 *Busybox's ps Oct 02 15:18:34 boo Oct 02 15:18:43 bah Oct 02 15:18:49 well I'm always root so ps works on its own Oct 02 15:18:55 iirc Oct 02 15:19:18 I thought killall would match wildcards too? Oct 02 15:19:41 ~lart lardman for not saving intermediate images used to create his presentation Oct 02 15:19:41 * infobot accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets lardman feel it for not saving intermediate images used to create his presentation Oct 02 15:20:02 well Oct 02 15:20:06 niether is actually shut it down haha Oct 02 15:20:34 do I need to use quotes around a hyphenated program name? Oct 02 15:20:40 Tadthebuilder: killall -9 liqbase... Oct 02 15:20:51 Tadthebuilder: If it's hung you may need to be more violent Oct 02 15:21:02 battery out Oct 02 15:21:04 ;) Oct 02 15:21:25 or do you mean to lcuk Oct 02 15:22:12 thanks Jaffa that worked Oct 02 15:22:19 except it was liqbase-playground Oct 02 15:22:32 I absolutely love liqbase though Oct 02 15:23:37 RST38h, you don't want to choose a summit roommate ? we'll start moving people soon Oct 02 15:24:51 VDVsx: perhaps he was hoping to get lucky in the red light district? Oct 02 15:25:24 lardman, lol, that's easy, he just need some money ;) Oct 02 15:25:34 hmmm.... Oct 02 15:25:51 VDVsx: lardman is planning to take a lot just for this purpose alone Oct 02 15:25:57 all women are hookers, the payment method and value is all that varies Oct 02 15:26:09 that slightly insulting Oct 02 15:26:17 what if a woman is in this room... Oct 02 15:26:22 (not that that is likely....) Oct 02 15:26:25 more mysoginistic than anything else Oct 02 15:26:29 qwerty12: am also taking my wife, so I imagine the money will be consumed in hangbags, shoes & red wine Oct 02 15:26:33 Tadthebuilder: There are a few Oct 02 15:26:51 lardman, lol Oct 02 15:27:00 I dont think your wife would appreciate you going to the red light district haha Oct 02 15:27:01 lardman: hangbags? Man, you really are desperate to get some Red Light District action :( Oct 02 15:27:14 Tadthebuilder: And a woman wouldn't need to be present for it to be considered offensive. Oct 02 15:27:14 she wants to visit and see it actually Oct 02 15:27:17 good point Oct 02 15:27:23 its offensive regardless... Oct 02 15:27:23 * Jaffa might not like Mrs Jaffa being called a whore, for example. Oct 02 15:27:30 I would not like my fiance Oct 02 15:27:33 being called a whore either Oct 02 15:27:58 gah Oct 02 15:28:07 I wish adding money to paypal was immediate Oct 02 15:28:20 I imagine Mrs Jaffa would have something to say about it too Oct 02 15:29:23 anyway, it is a tourist attraction, and I mean for people to go and gawp rather than using the facilities Oct 02 15:29:42 ah makes sense Oct 02 15:29:51 what about the famous amsterdam coffee shops Oct 02 15:29:59 I heard they have killer espresso Oct 02 15:30:01 I don't smoke, nor does my wife Oct 02 15:30:07 well thats good Oct 02 15:30:09 me niether. Oct 02 15:30:09 yeah, but you choke while drinking it Oct 02 15:30:32 I have a feeling the places smell pretty bad Oct 02 15:30:35 I cannot stand the smell of weed Oct 02 15:30:53 to me it smells like a skunk set on fire. Oct 02 15:31:02 lol Oct 02 15:31:09 we don't have skunks over here Oct 02 15:31:24 oh... Oct 02 15:31:26 well Oct 02 15:31:30 that makes my description meaningless Oct 02 15:31:32 well Oct 02 15:31:37 I understand, don;'t worry Oct 02 15:31:38 unless Oct 02 15:31:41 you flip my example Oct 02 15:31:41 Dunno, lardman, that day at the BFI, your presence made me think differently... Oct 02 15:31:43 haha Oct 02 15:32:05 qwerty12: you decided to take up drinking rather than smoking? Oct 02 15:32:27 qwerty12: I had been at a lecture all day, was in serious need of alcohol Oct 02 15:32:51 heh Oct 02 15:33:10 I think most alcohol smells bad too... Oct 02 15:33:37 yeah, just hold your nose for the first few mouthfuls ;) Oct 02 15:33:41 haha Oct 02 15:33:46 I do want to share a bottle of win Oct 02 15:33:47 e Oct 02 15:33:50 lardman: you and your wife should EAT some baked goods..smoking sucks Oct 02 15:33:51 with my wife on our honeymoon... Oct 02 15:33:54 any suggestions? Oct 02 15:34:23 purevol: nah, I don't do drugs other than alcohol and caffeine Oct 02 15:34:46 lardman is a good diabetic Oct 02 15:34:49 Tadthebuilder: God knows, do neither of you drink? Oct 02 15:34:56 currently no Oct 02 15:34:58 qwerty12: oh yeah, I shoot up of course Oct 02 15:34:58 haha Oct 02 15:35:01 and even when we start Oct 02 15:35:03 only in moderation Oct 02 15:35:07 not for the purpose of getting drunk Oct 02 15:35:33 Tadthebuilder: I'm not an expert Oct 02 15:35:38 ah okay Oct 02 15:36:06 skip expensive Australian though as it's probably pretty robust, high alcohol & tannin, which might not taste too great if you're not used to it Oct 02 15:36:31 in fact all the wine I drank over there was pretty robust Oct 02 15:36:47 and I only tend to drink Australian, so not much help I'm afraid Oct 02 15:37:06 Tadthebuilder: champage of course! Oct 02 15:39:14 I like Lanson myself, but my wife likes Heidsieck, so who knows :) Oct 02 15:39:52 haha Oct 02 15:39:54 oh okay Oct 02 15:39:58 I need something Oct 02 15:40:00 we did a lot of tasting while arranging our wedding reception, it's not that I drink champagne every evening Oct 02 15:40:01 that I can find in the US Oct 02 15:40:03 :) Oct 02 15:40:41 you should be able to find champagne over there, the Californian reds are also decent enough if you pay enough Oct 02 15:40:44 not that is made in us Oct 02 15:40:52 but can be found in stores Oct 02 15:41:00 I know I can find champagne Oct 02 15:41:04 ah okay Oct 02 15:41:18 do they have wine review sites Oct 02 15:41:22 like the do for computer stuff Oct 02 15:41:23 haha Oct 02 15:41:25 and electronics Oct 02 15:41:29 maybe an open source wine Oct 02 15:41:43 Wine is not an emulator. Of course not its a drink Oct 02 15:41:46 yeah they do, but you have to take things like that with a pinch of salt as they are subjective opinions Oct 02 15:42:00 true Oct 02 15:42:02 see if a local bottle shop is doing a wine tasting and go along Oct 02 15:42:08 that might be a good idea Oct 02 15:42:23 or you can (here at least) do wine tasting nights for not too much money Oct 02 15:42:30 quite fun Oct 02 15:42:35 ill be in charleston south carolina. Its a pretty big city so I can probably find something Oct 02 15:43:14 hmm, Friday evening, ghost town here Oct 02 15:44:22 16 days.... Oct 02 15:44:38 oh, the stress is just starting for your fiancee then Oct 02 15:44:46 yeah Oct 02 15:44:48 its pretty bad Oct 02 15:44:50 worrying about hair and this and that, etc Oct 02 15:44:52 Im also five hours away from her Oct 02 15:45:25 I got a job five hours away, she is planning the wedding and she will be moving down after the wedding Oct 02 15:46:07 so I cannot be much help Oct 02 15:46:53 good luck! Oct 02 15:46:54 so I have a problem with the structure of talk.maemo.org Oct 02 15:46:57 I do not think their should be Oct 02 15:47:02 a category called talk Oct 02 15:47:04 its confusing Oct 02 15:47:06 hey, sorry a noob question: i want to open up this in xchat. anyone know the server name i should be using? Oct 02 15:47:14 freenode Oct 02 15:47:21 irc.freenode.net Oct 02 15:47:21 wait Oct 02 15:47:26 okay Oct 02 15:47:28 i was close Oct 02 15:47:43 freenode.net? thts it? Oct 02 15:47:57 you might want the irc. on the front too Oct 02 15:48:01 thanks appreciate it Oct 02 15:48:46 like it just looks funny to say maemo.org-talk-talk-general Oct 02 15:49:14 say TMO Oct 02 15:49:33 maybe I dont like abreviations Oct 02 15:50:18 jk Oct 02 15:51:00 This just occurred to me. Oct 02 15:51:17 I looked at the map, and Guantanamo Bay is actually part of Cuba's mainland. Oct 02 15:51:26 How does the US have a naval base that's on Cuba's land? Oct 02 15:51:27 um yeah Oct 02 15:51:34 I thought it was a nearby island or something. Oct 02 15:51:41 coldboot: part of the post-missle-crisis deal wasn't it? Oct 02 15:51:42 look at the size, population, and money of both nations Oct 02 15:51:55 castro does not like it but he cannot really stop it... Oct 02 15:51:59 though Oct 02 15:52:01 lardman: I read that the base has been there for a century. Oct 02 15:52:05 its horrible what is happening there Oct 02 15:52:11 Definitely. Oct 02 15:52:12 yeah its been there since before castro took over Oct 02 15:52:15 and we never gave it up Oct 02 15:52:18 ah Oct 02 15:52:24 ah ok Oct 02 15:52:37 its also horrible what castro has done to his people... Oct 02 15:52:48 Yep. Oct 02 15:53:20 I was recently looking at the article on wikipedia Oct 02 15:53:22 about Hitler Oct 02 15:53:38 and in the discussion page they were discussing whether it was pov to talk about Hitlers actions as atrocities Oct 02 15:54:20 lol, is that Godwin's law that has just been proved once again? Oct 02 15:54:46 does anyone know if there is a bit torrent dl program for maemo? Oct 02 15:54:51 yeah Oct 02 15:54:54 Transmission exists Oct 02 15:54:57 check the download Oct 02 15:55:00 page at maemo.org Oct 02 15:55:04 and search for bittorrent Oct 02 15:55:08 it should pop up Oct 02 15:55:12 thanks ill look it up. easy to use? Oct 02 15:55:19 its not difficult Oct 02 15:55:26 just download the .torrent Oct 02 15:55:28 and open it Oct 02 15:55:30 :) Oct 02 15:55:38 ah from trackers Oct 02 15:55:51 uh yeah, is there any other way to use bittorrent? Oct 02 15:56:50 well on my pc it auto starts a program based on file associaion. i guess i cant do that on my n810 Oct 02 15:57:03 well Oct 02 15:57:07 you should be able to do that too I think Oct 02 15:57:13 but its essentially the same thing Oct 02 15:57:14 hmmmm Oct 02 15:57:17 any used new Theme Maker for fremantle yet stopping at 1% Oct 02 15:57:18 still need access to the tracker Oct 02 15:57:21 to download the file Oct 02 15:57:48 Im not sure if automatically catches the association or not Oct 02 15:57:57 but its not difficult to just open the torrent with it Oct 02 15:57:59 yeah. but one more step. nvm, sounds great. thanks bro Oct 02 15:58:09 welcome Oct 02 15:58:22 hey for the first time i helped someone else for a change Oct 02 15:58:24 I feel good about myself Oct 02 15:58:38 I just hope he is downloading legal files Oct 02 15:59:10 just got the n810 and trying to see what it can do as it will be my only computer for two weeks Oct 02 15:59:39 oh wow Oct 02 16:00:00 I dont think I could handle an n8x0 as my only comp Oct 02 16:00:03 laptop is being repaired Oct 02 16:00:08 I need my crappy outdated desktop Oct 02 16:00:25 * SpeedEvil ponders only having two working computers, and shudders. Oct 02 16:00:41 new fan in lenovo = 125 fukk :( Oct 02 16:00:49 ebay++ Oct 02 16:00:53 if the n800 counts i have 3 Oct 02 16:01:40 anyway off to download old dr who episodes :) Oct 02 16:01:56 but between my two non tablet computers I have a shared 1 gig of ram and 4.1 gig processor Oct 02 16:01:58 hah Oct 02 16:02:36 (meaning 512 megs of ram per machine and a 3 gig process on one, and like a 1.5 gig processor in the other...) Oct 02 16:03:48 no idea how much RAM I have Oct 02 16:04:07 Windows certainly can't use it all anyway Oct 02 16:05:12 heh Oct 02 16:05:14 well Oct 02 16:05:26 I tend to browse the internet with an average of 15 tabs open...so yeah i have problems Oct 02 16:05:51 I have problems with whatevery I have too Oct 02 16:06:04 40 tabs with 128M works just fine on FF1.4 Oct 02 16:06:04 5 Oct 02 16:06:08 especially when coding under Ubuntu with millions of ff windows open Oct 02 16:07:02 FF is a memory hog though Oct 02 16:07:06 or seems that way Oct 02 16:10:00 did they ever fix the memory leak in ff? Oct 02 16:10:26 right, am off, bbl Oct 02 16:12:18 is there a convention for getting the version of maemo an app is running on? Oct 02 16:12:34 like in Firefox, should we add "Maemo 5" to the UA string Oct 02 16:12:35 ? Oct 02 16:17:02 re Oct 02 16:29:12 you know what be an awesome app? Is something like Rapier, or FBreader or both where one could draw directly on the screen Oct 02 16:29:14 and save it... Oct 02 16:29:54 its already there Oct 02 16:29:58 ask lcuk Oct 02 16:31:46 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ Oct 02 16:34:20 moo all Oct 02 16:34:30 moo Oct 02 16:34:41 moo Oct 02 16:34:54 re Oct 02 16:36:19 jo lardman Oct 02 16:36:42 hey woglinde Oct 02 16:39:05 well Oct 02 16:39:07 liqbase Oct 02 16:39:09 is not quite there let Oct 02 16:39:12 yet* Oct 02 16:39:15 he is working on it though Oct 02 16:39:18 and I love it!!!! Oct 02 16:44:56 damn :) Oct 02 16:45:03 guess we didn't get the olympics Oct 02 16:46:04 macer hm which city? Oct 02 16:46:13 chicago? Oct 02 16:46:33 no chance Oct 02 16:46:45 apparently they don't want it anyway Oct 02 16:46:56 madrid will make the race because of samaranch Oct 02 16:48:55 even after obama begged? Oct 02 16:49:09 "uname -r" returns "2.6.28-maemo2" Oct 02 16:49:17 on n900, I guess we could use that Oct 02 16:51:15 andre__, newest on top. O_o Oct 02 16:51:57 Tadthebuilder even then Oct 02 16:53:21 chicago a bit of a dirty city anyway... Oct 02 16:53:24 is* Oct 02 16:57:51 <_berto_> rio won Oct 02 16:58:12 Tadthebuilder: I like Chicago Oct 02 16:58:28 so do I Oct 02 16:58:32 was quite nice when I was there a year ago or thereabouts Oct 02 16:58:35 Its just a littledirty Oct 02 16:58:36 haha Oct 02 16:58:38 :) Oct 02 16:58:47 all Large Cities have their dirty part Oct 02 16:58:49 s Oct 02 16:58:56 well London is really dirty in comparison, and it's there sometime soon Oct 02 16:58:58 Did you hear any Blue's while you were there? Oct 02 16:59:07 yeah, went to a club Oct 02 16:59:11 supposed to be famous Oct 02 16:59:21 Was it Buddy Guys Legends blues club? Oct 02 16:59:21 Looks like my display joined my phone in heavens Oct 02 16:59:54 Tadthebuilder: just trying to find some photos to see if I recog it Oct 02 17:01:12 God knows, had two rooms and the crowd had to run between the two for the next set Oct 02 17:02:25 that is a bit odd Oct 02 17:03:19 http://www.chicagoarchitecture.info/CAI/Images/200805/BuddyGuysLegends-Oct08-002a.jpg Oct 02 17:03:23 did it look like that haha Oct 02 17:03:32 was quite cool, probably have the stub somewhere, will have to look for it Oct 02 17:03:41 I heard buddy guy himself play once Oct 02 17:03:45 no idea, was dark Oct 02 17:03:50 he is like 70 years old Oct 02 17:03:54 and he played with his teeth Oct 02 17:04:04 had more energy that to be expected from a man his age Oct 02 17:04:08 it was awesome Oct 02 17:04:27 Also indie alt-country rock band called Wilco is from Chicago awesome band Oct 02 17:05:53 dunno, will have to work out which it was when I have some time Oct 02 17:06:07 sounds good though Oct 02 17:07:36 hmm, lack of GDK_WINDOW_XWINDOW() causes X Window System error. Oct 02 17:07:45 I thought it was just a cast? Oct 02 17:07:46 diner now Oct 02 17:07:48 till later Oct 02 17:09:00 woglinde: guten appetit Oct 02 17:09:11 s/a/A Oct 02 17:09:37 you know what stinks Oct 02 17:09:44 losing your real estates agents phone number... Oct 02 17:09:54 Fremantle SDK doesn't recognise GDK_WINDOW_XWINDOW() Oct 02 17:10:05 thats disappointing Oct 02 17:10:28 esp as it won't run on N8x0 without using it, yeah Oct 02 17:10:54 ah yeah. Oct 02 17:11:02 (im only pretending to know what your talking about) Oct 02 17:11:12 don't worry, was for the wider audience Oct 02 17:11:26 there are 353 of us in here Oct 02 17:11:31 true Oct 02 17:12:04 wIT Oct 02 17:12:06 wait Oct 02 17:12:09 why would you want to Oct 02 17:12:20 run the software development on your other tablet... Oct 02 17:13:31 what do you mean? Oct 02 17:13:54 well Oct 02 17:14:11 your saying you want to install the development kit for the n900 Oct 02 17:14:19 on your n800 or n810 Oct 02 17:14:34 this does not seem like a very efficient method of development Oct 02 17:14:38 without a fullsize keyboard and such Oct 02 17:14:42 or am I mis understanding what you want to do Oct 02 17:14:44 Can we get the telepathy packages to call services by their proper names or would that be a copyright issue? Oct 02 17:15:04 Tadthebuilder: am building in sb and testing on device over ssh/sftp Oct 02 17:15:12 ah okay Oct 02 17:15:56 GeneralAntilles: are they available for MSN yet? Oct 02 17:16:07 lardman, is MSN in Haze? Oct 02 17:16:09 I think so. Oct 02 17:16:12 But not sure. Oct 02 17:16:13 Let me check. Oct 02 17:16:23 hmm, which repo? Oct 02 17:16:31 Yeah Oct 02 17:16:36 Extras devel, I think. Oct 02 17:16:41 cool Oct 02 17:16:44 Which was having some trouble yesterday. Oct 02 17:16:48 need to update still though Oct 02 17:17:15 drat, segfault again Oct 02 17:17:41 ~lart webscraping code Oct 02 17:17:41 * infobot --purges webscraping code Oct 02 17:18:53 okay...if you have a paypal account but no money in paypal is it possible to donate money to someone through paypal just using a credit card? Oct 02 17:19:01 (this pertains to a community memeber) Oct 02 17:19:32 yes it should be tad Oct 02 17:20:13 if you account has a card on it, it will come from there if the funds are not available in the paypal account Oct 02 17:20:39 How the hell do I use the package interface? Oct 02 17:20:39 oh...okay...darn it Oct 02 17:20:52 Ah, I see. Oct 02 17:20:54 you need to add the card to the paypal account Oct 02 17:20:57 because I am trying to transfer money from a bank acount which takes 3-6 days Oct 02 17:21:03 that other way sounds better Oct 02 17:21:44 if you have a debt/credit card just add it to the paypal account Oct 02 17:22:08 gotya Oct 02 17:22:12 i already have one Oct 02 17:22:17 just did not know it would automatically do that Oct 02 17:22:21 so I donated him 3 pounds Oct 02 17:22:28 cause that is all i had in my paypal account Oct 02 17:22:35 and was going to give him more once it transfered in Oct 02 17:22:39 this will work better Oct 02 17:23:46 ah I give up on web scraping Oct 02 17:23:53 for the time being Oct 02 17:24:30 Hrm, so, say I find a bug in a package up for promotion. Oct 02 17:24:34 What's the procedure? Oct 02 17:24:37 fiferboy, ping? Oct 02 17:24:46 GeneralAntilles: pong Oct 02 17:24:52 GeneralAntilles: no idea, check the backlog Oct 02 17:25:09 fiferboy, found a bug in countdown-home. Oct 02 17:25:17 GeneralAntilles: shoot Oct 02 17:25:26 fiferboy, it's weird about which item it decides to show you when you tap on them to edit. Oct 02 17:25:40 Do you have it sorted by date? Oct 02 17:25:58 Yes Oct 02 17:26:05 I'll check it out Oct 02 17:26:26 fiferboy, so, I added 3 items. Oct 02 17:26:50 Maemo Summit with a starting date of next week, Test with a default starting time, and Test2 with a default starting time. Oct 02 17:26:57 Okay Oct 02 17:27:05 That gives me a date-sorted list of: Test, Test2 and Maemo Summit. Oct 02 17:27:18 Tapping Test to edit it bring up the Maemo Summit item. Oct 02 17:27:29 Tapping Test2 brings up Test. Oct 02 17:27:36 anyone know where uGDK_WINDOW_XWINDOW is defined? Oct 02 17:27:43 and tapping Maemo Summit brings up Test2. Oct 02 17:27:53 So I guess the edit sorting is by added instead of date. Oct 02 17:27:56 GeneralAntilles: Gotcha. I must not be mapping the reordered events properly when clicking Oct 02 17:28:10 lardman: gdk/gdkx.h Oct 02 17:28:15 fiferboy, otherwise I'm ready to promote. Oct 02 17:28:20 fiferboy, you want me to file a bug? Oct 02 17:28:20 qwerty12: you;'re a star Oct 02 17:28:30 GeneralAntilles: I can fix that pretty quick, I thikn Oct 02 17:28:36 OK Oct 02 17:28:42 But getting enough karma to promote again will take a while Oct 02 17:28:44 hmm, linker error though Oct 02 17:29:09 GeneralAntilles: Yep, I can reproduce Oct 02 17:29:12 X-Fade, can we sort the packages by section? Oct 02 17:29:14 balls, have to go Oct 02 17:29:16 bbl Oct 02 17:32:52 who ported INES? Oct 02 17:33:07 The same person who wrote it ;) Oct 02 17:33:10 RST38h, the creator. ;) Oct 02 17:33:15 ah Oct 02 17:33:19 is he ever in here> Oct 02 17:33:30 qwerty12, <_< I was tapping all over the place trying to get the eyes to move. Oct 02 17:33:48 it really bothers me that the hardware back button exits the program... Oct 02 17:33:53 Tadthebuilder, he's here most of the time, actually. Oct 02 17:33:54 I hit on accident all the time Oct 02 17:34:07 and was wondering if their is a way to turn that off Oct 02 17:34:17 GeneralAntilles: The Eyes Widget? If so, you wanna talk to mikkov_ :p Oct 02 17:34:49 qwerty12, you're more convenient, though. :P Oct 02 17:35:05 I also have zilch to do with it :p Oct 02 17:35:14 Yeah, I know. Oct 02 17:35:21 But you can laugh at me being stupid. Oct 02 17:35:39 Nah, I could never do that (in your face, anyway...) Oct 02 17:35:51 lol Oct 02 17:36:14 * GeneralAntilles wants the hearts back on maemo.org. :( Oct 02 17:37:03 Same here Oct 02 17:37:29 robotfindskitten is disturbing in that regard Oct 02 17:38:07 Stskeeps: What? Robot beastilty is common Oct 02 17:38:07 RST38H: is there a way to turn of the exiting program when hitting back button in ines? Oct 02 17:43:39 GeneralAntilles: Problem solved ;) Oct 02 17:43:45 Thanks for pointing that one out Oct 02 17:44:11 fiferboy, so, re-up to Extras-devel, you promote to Testing then people vote? Oct 02 17:44:24 Yup :( Oct 02 17:44:32 I was hoping to be in extras before the summit Oct 02 17:45:03 why is TMO always down when I want to flame? Oct 02 17:45:06 fiferboy, harass people to vote. ;) Oct 02 17:45:19 I've been trying, but I am not a good harasser :| Oct 02 17:45:29 ive never seen tmo go down... Oct 02 17:45:41 hm. Oct 02 17:45:50 maybe its a trojan on my computer than senses my trolling desires Oct 02 17:45:51 Tadthebuilder: Sorry? Oct 02 17:45:54 Tadthebuilder, it's down all of the time. Oct 02 17:46:35 fiferboy, the one thing that bothers me is having widgets automatically add themselves to the desktop. Oct 02 17:46:37 RST28h: In Ines I have a tendency to hit the back button (hardware) on accident. Is there a way to make it so that button will not exit the program? Oct 02 17:46:44 But I guess most people can't figure out how to add them otherwise. Oct 02 17:46:45 (Its not down right now...) Oct 02 17:47:06 GeneralAntilles: That is the default behaviour when you install a new applet Oct 02 17:47:22 I just chatted with a nokia rep on nokiausa.com who tells me that the N900 will definitely NOT be subsidized by any carriers Oct 02 17:47:28 Probably to solve problems like "I installed applet X, but it never showed up! It's borken!!" Oct 02 17:47:28 "It will only be sold as an unlocked phone" Oct 02 17:47:43 * wiretapped didn't know that was confirmed Oct 02 17:47:48 wiretapped, which is clearly a lie. Oct 02 17:47:54 link? Oct 02 17:47:56 Since some European carriers are subsidizing it. Oct 02 17:47:58 i've still got the window open Oct 02 17:48:00 ah Oct 02 17:48:04 Now, as for USA. . . . Oct 02 17:48:08 Who knows. Oct 02 17:48:11 ok, I specifically told him I'm in the USA Oct 02 17:48:11 is diablo the latest and greatest version of maemo? Oct 02 17:48:15 and he's on nokiausa.com Oct 02 17:48:20 But sales reps get things wrong all of the time Oct 02 17:48:27 yeah Oct 02 17:48:36 and certainly aren't authorized to talk about unannounced plans even if they did know about them Oct 02 17:48:43 Tadthe: No. Oct 02 17:48:54 So, I wouldn't take it as gospel. Oct 02 17:49:05 GeneralAntilles: not quite Oct 02 17:49:09 RST38h: kk thanks. Awesome emulator by the way. Ill just have to be careful, and save every few seconds. Oct 02 17:49:11 Tadthe: Other than enabling Famicom keyboard I guess, but you will not be doing that Oct 02 17:49:12 GeneralAntilles: that's a bit misleading Oct 02 17:49:29 SpeedEvil, which part, exactly? Oct 02 17:49:42 is 5.2008.43-7 the best version of maemo? Oct 02 17:49:46 yeah. I'm tempted to preorder one, but still holding out hope for some subsidy handcuffs Oct 02 17:49:57 RST38h: or use the onscreen directional pad rather that the hardware one....either way. But thanks for answering my question, and for making the emu. Oct 02 17:50:07 General: We should really have user/emulation category =) Oct 02 17:50:18 GeneralAntilles: some secondary market mobile phone shops are offering the phone along with their normal phone contracts, and applying some of their cut that they get from selling a contract to subsidising the phone. Oct 02 17:50:46 GeneralAntilles: this is not the same as it being a 'supported' phone that you'd purchase from vodafone.co.uk - for example. Oct 02 17:50:50 Tad: N800? Oct 02 17:51:07 SpeedEvil, I'm not familiar with how the European cellular market works, apologies. Oct 02 17:51:12 RST38h: yeah Oct 02 17:51:27 RST38h, yes, we can keep decreasing the granularity, but it really doesn't help anybody in the end. ;) Oct 02 17:51:36 RST38h: the back button is right below the directional pad. so when I hit down I hit the back button from time to time as well Oct 02 17:52:22 fiferboy, how long from upload to karma voting? Oct 02 17:53:18 GeneralAntilles: The build process takes about 20 minutes, it is usually an hour or more until the package is imported into extras-devel, then another hour+ until it is promoted to extras-testing Oct 02 17:53:36 GeneralAntilles: Probably a minimum of three hours Oct 02 17:54:29 Tadthe: Yea, I guessed Oct 02 17:55:38 GeneralAntilles: it's somewhat byzantine. But basically - the carriers have almost no control over what shops with no affiliation with them sell connected to a given contract. Phones sold directly through the carrier will usually have customisation, or be slightly cheaper. Oct 02 18:00:44 "With the Maemo browser, you can view hypertext markup language (HTML) web pages on the internet." Oct 02 18:00:47 "You can also view web pages that are designed specifically for mobile devices. These pages use extensible hypertext markup language (XHTML)." Oct 02 18:00:56 lol Oct 02 18:01:02 from the manual Oct 02 18:01:06 i thought that was a little odd Oct 02 18:01:09 it should just say Oct 02 18:01:15 you can go to websites Oct 02 18:01:17 :) Oct 02 18:01:35 * AndrewFBlack slaps the extras-assistant around a bit Oct 02 18:03:18 actually the n900 manual Oct 02 18:03:21 is hilarious Oct 02 18:04:02 AndrewfBlack: Your new theme looks awesome, ive never used any other themes that the default ones, but im gonna check that out Oct 02 18:04:46 Tadthebuilder, thanks I'm working on getting it in extras-devel as well right now but extras-assistant doesn't like me Oct 02 18:05:12 which would explain why you slapped him Oct 02 18:05:25 him/her/it since im not sure what your talking about Oct 02 18:05:50 part of maemo.org that lets people upload packages it keeps logign me out half way though the process Oct 02 18:06:50 On an n810 device, what kind of storage is /var mounted on, and what kind of storage is /media/mmc2 mounted on? I've noticed that writing to /media/mmc2 is way slower than writing to /var... Oct 02 18:09:49 ah so its an it Oct 02 18:10:25 yep its an i Oct 02 18:10:27 it Oct 02 18:10:59 coldboot, /media/mmc2 is an integrated "sd card" Oct 02 18:11:11 coldboot, /var is on the root file system, IIRC Oct 02 18:11:24 took 25 minutes and over 100 tried finally took it Oct 02 18:11:34 coldboot, root file system is quicker, integrated card is bigger Oct 02 18:14:15 sweet so a in a few minutes I should be able to find it on extra-devel? Oct 02 18:15:24 There exists no valid reason for software to be closed source. So, no. Oct 02 18:15:29 Root filsystem keeps its entire directory tree in ram, that speeds up Oct 02 18:15:36 - Luke Jr Oct 02 18:15:47 And it's smarter with small writes, atleast as long as it isnt too full Oct 02 18:15:54 Compression helps too Oct 02 18:16:17 The /media/mmc should be faster for big files really Oct 02 18:17:29 http://www.promotinglinux.com/truth/ Oct 02 18:17:30 Yessss Oct 02 18:18:56 what about someone eating dinner? Oct 02 18:19:00 thats a valid reason Oct 02 18:19:04 for closed source software Oct 02 18:20:24 GeneralAntilles: Moved to the autobuilder queue at 2:20 EST Oct 02 18:20:26 crashanddie: Do you know what kind of hardware the integrated card is? Oct 02 18:20:40 Tadthebuilder, takes about an hour Oct 02 18:20:57 ah okay thanks Oct 02 18:22:03 Tadthebuilder: yeah, food on the table is a good argument Oct 02 18:22:27 I just saw that argument happening on tmo Oct 02 18:22:37 and I dont understand why someone would think that everything has to be oss Oct 02 18:23:01 I love oss, Im glad for the developers who do it of their own time, but that does not make other things evil, or wrong, or mean that everything has to be that way. Oct 02 18:24:19 fiferboy, wish it were faster. :\ Oct 02 18:24:25 X-Fade, can we make that every half hour? :P Oct 02 18:24:41 It seems writes to the integrated card are 2.8 times faster than writes to the sd card. Oct 02 18:25:03 coldboot, it's an eMMC of some sort. Oct 02 18:25:16 GeneralAntilles: I'm not sure exactly how often the batches run, but those numbers are my impressions from all the packages I have uploaded in the last week Oct 02 18:25:40 Once an hour sounds right. Oct 02 18:27:22 Hrm, packages with >10 karma are just waiting on maintainer action, right? Oct 02 18:27:27 GeneralAntilles: It has been three hours since the build succeeded on personal-gprs-mon, and it still hasn't imported to extras-devel :$ Oct 02 18:28:41 GeneralAntilles: Yes, a lovely "Promote package to Extras" button should appear when karma >= 10 Oct 02 18:29:00 GeneralAntilles: packages have to have >10 karma and at least 10 days in extras-testing Oct 02 18:29:19 Ah, welcome gcobb. Nice to see you around these parts. ;) Oct 02 18:29:32 the sd car process would be managed by the omap processor, so that speed at which data is written is tied back to the kernel architecture Oct 02 18:29:39 and belated congratulations. :) Oct 02 18:30:11 GeneralAntilles: thanks. I have been lurking a bit but hard to find time to contribute Oct 02 18:31:04 gcobb: I think the quarentine period is not yet in place. Is it being enforced? Oct 02 18:31:56 fiferboy: I'm not certain but I thought it was enabled in the last couple of days Oct 02 18:32:21 Ah. I think it was three or four days ago that I asked X-Fade about it. It could be on now. Oct 02 18:32:37 In which case I am sunk getting anything into extras before summit :( Oct 02 18:33:00 Ah Oct 02 18:33:07 * GeneralAntilles sees fiferboy's thread. ;) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32386 Oct 02 18:33:36 GeneralAntilles: :) Oct 02 18:34:57 i have a pretty serous question Oct 02 18:35:11 OMAP arch was dropped from the linux kernel correct? Oct 02 18:36:59 no, merged afaik Oct 02 18:38:34 and if it wasn't merged, well, then nothing changed? Oct 02 18:42:04 I wonder if the extras-devel imported is running. It took just under an hour last time, and it has been over 3 hours this time... Oct 02 18:43:43 i am missing updates from -devel Oct 02 18:47:08 There are so many libs in user/* Oct 02 18:47:27 don't you hate it when you upload something to extras-devel then then you find a bug like 5 minutes later Oct 02 18:49:17 thats why we have home: repos in mer :P Oct 02 18:49:18 upload a new version Oct 02 18:49:21 Evening, St. lbt Oct 02 18:49:46 after seeing a screen shot of fennec on the n900 it makes me want a fennec fox Oct 02 18:49:58 what would you do with it? Oct 02 18:50:10 keep it as a pet Oct 02 18:50:21 a quick google indicates that they are litter trainable Oct 02 18:50:47 Cross-breed it with the Thunderbird bird? Oct 02 18:50:55 Tadthebuilder, they're also about as smelly as they come Oct 02 18:51:06 Tadthebuilder, and wild animals. ;) Oct 02 18:51:16 aww Oct 02 18:51:18 but they are so cute Oct 02 18:51:24 (image search :)) Oct 02 18:51:34 GeneralAntilles: that's easy to fix though. Oct 02 18:51:39 GeneralAntilles: noseplugs Oct 02 18:51:48 or you could bathe it regularly Oct 02 18:51:55 not really Oct 02 18:52:07 You can possibly burn out the scent glands. Oct 02 18:52:09 Poor fennec though... Oct 02 18:52:11 That's done with some animals. Oct 02 18:52:19 You can remove scent glands from a skunk Oct 02 18:52:21 Or surgically remove them Oct 02 18:52:23 they are also litter trainable Oct 02 18:52:26 but more difficult Oct 02 18:52:34 its less painful than declawing a cat from what I understand Oct 02 18:52:49 (why would anyone want a skunk for a pet though...) Oct 02 18:53:19 scratch that no bugs in new theme just some problems since I didn't reboot after install Oct 02 18:53:34 * rmt hrmphs .. why did I think that the Maemo Summit didn't have limited registrations? Oct 02 18:53:52 bought tickets already? Oct 02 18:54:22 Nope. Oct 02 18:54:32 good :P Oct 02 18:55:27 I'm just in Berlin, and would've stayed with friends in Den Haag. Oct 02 18:56:29 But hey - maybe I'll be eligible for discounts on Nokia products soon.. went for a job interview with them in Berlin yesterday. Oct 02 18:56:55 woo, congrats :) Oct 02 18:57:00 Do staff get discounts? Oct 02 18:57:02 And good luck Oct 02 18:57:41 It went quite well, I think. Solutions Architect / Technology Evangelist. Oct 02 18:58:18 aka helping internal customers to do things the smart way, even if they resist. ;) Oct 02 18:58:45 re Oct 02 18:58:49 are enemas involved? Oct 02 18:59:02 rmt: Do you have ninjas under your control? Oct 02 18:59:17 GeneralAntilles: Package has imported to extras-devel and I have promoted Oct 02 18:59:27 It was interesting .. got grilled with Linux, networking, & storage Qs for an hour straight. Oct 02 19:00:34 and coding tests on top? :P Oct 02 19:00:59 Just a few scripting Qs .. regex's, perl/python stuff.. Oct 02 19:01:11 And shell scripting of course. :-) Oct 02 19:02:50 My last contract with Shell - I had a 20 minute non-technical phone conversation and they said, "Can you be here on Monday?" .. the manager tried that twice, but the second guy (while smart) wasn't really a good fit for an office environment. Oct 02 19:03:22 3 months of us holding our noses as we walked down the hallway. It was a medical condition, but still - the value of in-person interviews. :-P Oct 02 19:03:48 indeed Oct 02 19:04:11 *snifff* Oct 02 19:04:19 * RST38h moos at Myrtti Oct 02 19:04:49 atleast I smell of roses and kittens and candy floss Oct 02 19:04:59 * Myrtti baa-aas at RST38h Oct 02 19:05:08 there is a tendancy of dead cheese smell and some types of oss developers that go together.. Oct 02 19:05:23 Hehe. Oct 02 19:05:24 :S Oct 02 19:06:06 I'm quite often surprised when I find out a hard-core geek I know is married. Oct 02 19:06:31 i am surprised i am married. :P Oct 02 19:06:36 * rmt grins. Oct 02 19:07:07 I am Oct 02 19:07:16 but maybee I am not hardcore Oct 02 19:07:52 * SpeedEvil has yet to lure someone into his bat-cave. Oct 02 19:07:55 what's a hardcore geek anyway Oct 02 19:08:12 I'm not sure. Oct 02 19:08:36 with the commonplace of computers today Oct 02 19:08:37 But I'm fairly sure that if I've seriously thought of replacing my microwave oven controller with a linux system, I count. Oct 02 19:08:42 there are a good number of women geeks too Oct 02 19:08:51 Tadthebuilder: ORLY?! Oct 02 19:08:58 well shiver me timbers! Oct 02 19:08:58 yeah Oct 02 19:09:01 you can find them Oct 02 19:09:01 who would've known! Oct 02 19:09:08 * Myrtti goes and finds Oct 02 19:09:11 wohey! Oct 02 19:09:17 now im not a geek Oct 02 19:09:19 I don't think Myrtti went very far. Oct 02 19:09:20 so I dont have that problem Oct 02 19:09:40 derf: how did you know?!?! Oct 02 19:09:51 your name Oct 02 19:09:53 I'm psychic. Oct 02 19:09:57 magic! Oct 02 19:10:00 Myrtti: I guess I mean the stereotypical glasses-wearing socially-inept type, who just rewrote the company's $5m software solution over the weekend in perl because the vendor took too long fixing a bug. :) Oct 02 19:10:43 sounds like me alright Oct 02 19:11:00 though it took me a bit more than a weekend, and I've used bash, sed and awk. Oct 02 19:11:11 * rmt chuckles. Oct 02 19:11:17 and it's not a bug, it's a shortcoming. Oct 02 19:11:50 so are some of you admitting to being like Roy and Moss from IT Crowd Oct 02 19:11:51 also with a touch of grep here and there Oct 02 19:11:56 I didn't think there was anyone else left who would rather use awk than perl! Oct 02 19:12:17 * SpeedEvil loves awk. Oct 02 19:12:19 Are you crazy? Oct 02 19:12:21 awk is gr8. Oct 02 19:12:24 I have done realtime DSP in awk. Oct 02 19:12:34 gcobb: I hate awk, but while I use it, I can lull myself into feeling of not being able to code anything Oct 02 19:12:50 yay awk Oct 02 19:12:52 and as a matter of fact, I can't. Oct 02 19:12:54 yay. Oct 02 19:13:25 sox |hexdump|awk -> realtime mileper-gallon display of my car reading from a GPS and a soundcard hooked to an injector Oct 02 19:13:31 * lcuk replaces Myrtti with a very long complicated shell script Oct 02 19:13:44 lcuk: several shell scripts, dear. Oct 02 19:13:50 I'm very complicated person Oct 02 19:13:55 * lcuk nods Oct 02 19:14:31 i also see you lost some of your powers - tracy goes to the hairdressers and has 1/2mm cut off Oct 02 19:14:36 you look like you had loads Oct 02 19:15:05 yeah, they took about 15cm off I think Oct 02 19:15:09 two years worth Oct 02 19:15:29 feels really weird Oct 02 19:15:32 o_O i bet it does Oct 02 19:15:48 how will duncan climb up to your room? Oct 02 19:16:18 *chuckle* Oct 02 19:16:44 hey Tadthebuilder \o its a bit early for you! Oct 02 19:16:52 yeah Oct 02 19:16:58 its my day off Oct 02 19:17:01 one of them Oct 02 19:17:07 so im on here while browsing the internet Oct 02 19:17:32 hoping to find tidbits of information concerning upcoming apps, and thus be prepared for in 4 year when I get an n900 Oct 02 19:18:43 personal hope is that people continue working towards n8x0 too - these new apps seem simpler and more streamlined and would respond better to the optimizations needed Oct 02 19:18:43 arghh Oct 02 19:18:52 that would be nice too haha Oct 02 19:19:13 that was scary Oct 02 19:19:26 They knew you were about to talk, lcuk Oct 02 19:19:30 I just typed in the root password of my debian vm and netsplit Oct 02 19:19:43 haha Oct 02 19:19:44 I lioe my n800 (I call it shuttlepod, desktop is Enterprise, and Laptop is defiant) and I hope i can keep using it with new helpful programs for a couple more years Oct 02 19:19:45 yeah qwerty12_N810 Oct 02 19:20:05 love* Oct 02 19:20:28 ahhh but which enterprise is it Oct 02 19:20:33 D Oct 02 19:21:03 but with its specs I should probably make it the first one from the show enterprise Oct 02 19:22:29 lol Tadthebuilder the NX-01 is an excellent prototype Oct 02 19:22:44 yes that one Oct 02 19:22:58 See im a borderline geek/nerd. Oct 02 19:23:06 For instance I have an n800 but I dont know how to code Oct 02 19:23:15 I like startrek but I dont know the numbers of the ships Oct 02 19:23:18 haha Oct 02 19:23:25 or maybe that just makes me a dumb nerd Oct 02 19:23:25 * lcuk had to look too Oct 02 19:24:35 Wouldn't the first enterprise be the first in the list of ships shown at the start of 'enterprise' ? Oct 02 19:24:49 the naval vessels Oct 02 19:24:51 haha Oct 02 19:24:53 well Oct 02 19:25:04 that would be like an Apple II or something Oct 02 19:25:08 That's probably overanalying it a _lot_ too much though. Oct 02 19:25:14 abacus Oct 02 19:25:18 made from the same material Oct 02 19:25:28 I was about to say that Oct 02 19:25:30 handheld portable computing Oct 02 19:25:44 slide rule Oct 02 19:26:16 that needs kinetic swipes Oct 02 19:28:13 true Oct 02 19:28:16 GAHHHH Oct 02 19:28:23 sorry I needed to get that out Oct 02 19:28:50 the Apraiser needs to hurry up and just say its residential Oct 02 19:30:27 hmm, is it just me or is fremantle extras-devel all "No Hash entry in Release file" Oct 02 19:30:39 sp3000: Not just you :\ Oct 02 19:30:42 Ugh, these typos are killing me. Oct 02 19:30:45 GeneralAntilles: The package is in extras-testing, but it might not show up on the device just yet Oct 02 19:30:47 https://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/countdown-home/0.5-9/ Oct 02 19:30:48 My muscle memory is taking over my higher brain functions. :( Oct 02 19:31:12 you mean the tyops are liking you? :) Oct 02 19:31:35 sp3000, random word substitution in my posts on Talk. Oct 02 19:31:45 mh. kinda wrong that hildon is gtk, now that nokia owns Qt >.> Oct 02 19:32:21 * SpeedEvil has an unfortunate keyboard problem that sometimes seems to miss triplets of letters. Oct 02 19:32:40 especially in current. I get 'cent' or something more unfortunate. Oct 02 19:33:42 Shapeshifter: big ships turn slow Oct 02 19:34:01 fiferboy, countdown-home is on my desktop good sir Oct 02 19:34:09 dream cast emu on pandora....from my understanding the dreamcast emus on pc dont work all that well Oct 02 19:34:11 it has the summit marked, thank you for writing this simple effective widget Oct 02 19:34:12 Myrtti: Unless they hit something. Oct 02 19:34:19 lcuk: Excellent. Good to hear. Oct 02 19:34:30 ooh, I know what I'd use it for Oct 02 19:34:45 24h 30min or so... Oct 02 19:34:54 Tadthebuilder: apparently the non-windowsce stuff is emued 'well enough' Oct 02 19:35:10 Tadthebuilder: the windowsce dreamcast games suck ass anyhow Oct 02 19:35:35 ive never tried a linux dreamcast emu Oct 02 19:35:38 fiferboy, i just upped the karma on it Oct 02 19:35:43 :D Oct 02 19:35:49 im not quite sure what you mean by the ce after windows Oct 02 19:35:50 SpeedEvil: you're almost making me grep a wordlist for sentences you should avoid trying to write :P Oct 02 19:35:52 Thanks lcuk Oct 02 19:36:06 with your c*** keyboard Oct 02 19:36:30 i would really like this testing api to come from the device itself Oct 02 19:36:41 this is offtopic, but is there anybody on the channel that reads chinese fluently? I'd have couple lines to interpret more fluently than google translate can do... Oct 02 19:36:41 sp3000: I have no idea what triggers it - it's made worse by my habit of not looking at the keyb. Oct 02 19:36:45 i dont know how to search this packages interface Oct 02 19:37:34 it's a tester quality gate! :D' Oct 02 19:37:45 maemo.org/packages just got package icons? Oct 02 19:37:54 fiferboy: Sssh ;) Oct 02 19:38:05 Oops, secret is out. Looks good! Oct 02 19:38:10 X-Fade's here. Everybody jump him! Oct 02 19:38:27 * sp3000 obliges Oct 02 19:38:35 waaa extras-devel is being mean Oct 02 19:38:49 sp3000 why? Oct 02 19:39:46 dunno, it's going "No Hash entry in Release file" at me Oct 02 19:40:00 fiferboy, yes, icons! Oct 02 19:40:09 sp3000: Hmm that is not good. Oct 02 19:40:17 (just like everyone to know that I killed garlan a little bit ago) Oct 02 19:40:18 Muriel learned sleep! Oct 02 19:40:22 last time I saw that sort of thing with a repository, I think some tool change added a linefeed in the middle of the file or something ;) Oct 02 19:40:24 sp3000: That should not happen. Oct 02 19:40:26 (and some grimps, the grimps were easy) Oct 02 19:40:41 sp3000: I guess a race condition between two scripts. Oct 02 19:40:49 sp3000: let me reset it. Oct 02 19:40:53 my dev computer died yesterday Oct 02 19:41:40 Packages is timing out a lot on me. Oct 02 19:41:51 pupnik_, did you try hitting it with a stick? Oct 02 19:42:04 It's all of the millions of n900s getting preloaded by the operators. Oct 02 19:42:05 (or not) Oct 02 19:42:12 i tried a little drop to jar it Oct 02 19:42:53 cpu fan stuck after FIREFOX ran cpu @ 7p-100% for hours Oct 02 19:42:58 * GeneralAntilles once revived a K6 Compaq with a kick in the side. Oct 02 19:43:18 know i *know* why they call it "firefox" Oct 02 19:43:24 now Oct 02 19:43:26 GeneralAntilles: Whose side did you have to kick? Oct 02 19:44:10 fiferboy, the computers. ;) Oct 02 19:44:14 who be versioning me? Oct 02 19:44:29 pupnik_: did you also get a "flash" Oct 02 19:44:42 or a "shockwave"? Oct 02 19:44:42 sp3000: Better now? Oct 02 19:45:24 Packages is just timing out here. :( Oct 02 19:46:16 GeneralAntilles: Better now? Oct 02 19:46:18 X-Fade: yep, tx Oct 02 19:46:49 now why aren't there any monospace fonts in extras above the devel level :) Oct 02 19:48:03 Because nobody promoted them? Oct 02 19:48:25 Nah, clearly X-Fade hates monospace fonts and it's a conspiracy to keep them out. Oct 02 19:48:29 Or no app which depends on them has been promoted yet? Oct 02 19:49:01 the closer is a pretty good show Oct 02 19:49:22 i died laughing when they had the chinese ME that would scream her name and everything she did into the mic Oct 02 19:56:27 sp it happened despite flashblock Oct 02 19:56:27 any idea when mer will be ready? Oct 02 19:56:55 user__: any idea when emacs will be ready? Oct 02 19:57:59 jo javis Oct 02 19:58:18 user__: also, why not ask in #maemo? Oct 02 19:58:21 er Oct 02 19:58:25 #mer Oct 02 19:58:25 hiyo Oct 02 19:58:52 I failed :-( Oct 02 19:58:57 ok...pms bad today myrtti? Oct 02 19:58:58 Myrtti, press ctrl alt left swiggle escape p to find out the progress Oct 02 19:59:12 what is different in latest release javis? sw scaling? changes in sound? Oct 02 19:59:23 -devel didnt have latest Oct 02 19:59:33 no changes in sound Oct 02 19:59:39 sw scaling since 1.2.0 Oct 02 19:59:54 1.2.1 and 1.2.2 have mostly gui bugfixes Oct 02 19:59:58 k Oct 02 20:00:11 user__: what I was trying to say with my first question is that with open source projects, very few are *ever* ready Oct 02 20:00:16 not important at all, but i plan to make 1.2.0 next "stable" series. Oct 02 20:00:18 god i hate it when a spam mail gets thru my spamassassin Oct 02 20:00:52 user__: with my second question I was trying to point out that #mer might have a bit more detailed information on your question, whatever you meant by it Oct 02 20:00:54 javis - will you add a turbo toggle to button config?- Oct 02 20:01:01 and as for my pms, you can kindly fuck off. Oct 02 20:01:04 oh ok Oct 02 20:01:07 thx. Oct 02 20:01:18 pupnik_: yeah, easy enough. Oct 02 20:01:37 i will myrtti, as soon as im done fucking your mom Oct 02 20:01:39 turbo is useful for rpg level grinding Oct 02 20:01:41 ass hole Oct 02 20:01:44 also slow-mo Oct 02 20:01:49 <3 internet tough guys Oct 02 20:01:55 for some timing problem spots Oct 02 20:02:08 platformers etc Oct 02 20:02:33 slowmo a bit harder, but not much. you can partially simulate it by just disabling frameskipping. Oct 02 20:02:34 user__, attitude adjustment warning #1. Oct 02 20:02:37 hehe. Oct 02 20:02:39 user__, you only get one today. Oct 02 20:04:33 oh, it's school holidays again? Oct 02 20:04:50 * frals is having a blast reading through the source code to Androids MMS app Oct 02 20:05:01 andre__: if only... :\ Oct 02 20:05:18 frals: if you scratch the itch so hard, it'll bleed ;) Oct 02 20:05:23 just jocking, go ahead :) Oct 02 20:05:24 frals: pure insanity? Oct 02 20:05:25 :D Oct 02 20:11:38 I'm going to stab aolsystemmsg to death. Oct 02 20:13:47 * lcuk2 gives GeneralAntilles a long knife Oct 02 20:19:10 hey guys, i have my n800 myling around. Oct 02 20:19:32 i wish to flash it with the new maemo im looking at (just read a review of n900) Oct 02 20:19:46 where can i get the new os? (or how to upgrade to it) Oct 02 20:19:56 <`0660> dream on Oct 02 20:20:05 You want Mer. Oct 02 20:20:44 ~mer Oct 02 20:20:45 i guess mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer Oct 02 20:20:56 <`0660> your hardware is too slow/not compatible with the new os Oct 02 20:21:08 hmm, android doesnt have the code for the mms pdu's up on their git Oct 02 20:21:49 `0660: cannot one disable most stuffs? Oct 02 20:22:45 <`0660> mer might become that version Oct 02 20:23:48 then again, mer isn't stable yet Oct 02 20:24:01 Ah, mer Oct 02 20:24:06 Yet. Oct 02 20:24:11 user__, the final Fremantle SDK isn't even out yet. Oct 02 20:24:38 <`0660> and i wouldn't expect it to get stable anytime soon Oct 02 20:25:02 `0660, you're a developer, then? ;) Oct 02 20:25:30 so mer tries to unify latest maemo stuff with ubunbu base?. Oct 02 20:25:41 <`0660> yes, but not a mer developer :) Oct 02 20:25:48 `0660, the more that get involved, the more rounded and stable it will will be. Oct 02 20:26:00 -will Oct 02 20:26:14 too bad would be good to get access to ubuntu apps through mer Oct 02 20:27:02 hm... the (default) interface looks different Oct 02 20:27:35 killfill, it's currently based on Maemo 4. An update should be coming at some point. Oct 02 20:29:31 any way to disable the notifications about users in a channel joining or leaving? Oct 02 20:30:04 <`0660> which irc client do you use? Oct 02 20:30:30 xchat on n810 Oct 02 20:31:15 <`0660> sorry, don't know about xchat Oct 02 20:31:20 np Oct 02 20:31:48 GeneralAntilles: its like a fork right?. thinkgs looks different than maemo. the ides is to put new stuff i.e. maemo5 inside mer too? Oct 02 20:32:26 killfill, it's a more saner platform that uses Maemo technologies. Oct 02 20:32:32 So, it's Maemo based on Ubuntu. Oct 02 20:32:54 But, yes, the new Fremantle stuff is waiting on the final SDK release for Maemo 5. Oct 02 20:33:15 Who's killing http://maemo.org? Oct 02 20:33:30 n900? Oct 02 20:34:45 maemo.org/talk is gonna be a real mess soon with mixed os discussion threads Oct 02 20:36:01 i wish thefe would be maemo.org/hh Oct 02 20:36:05 oops Oct 02 20:36:52 i wish there would be maemo.org/freemantle/talk and maemo.org/mer/talk etc Oct 02 20:37:00 "freemantle"? Oct 02 20:37:13 http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=9 Oct 02 20:38:22 wait Oct 02 20:38:33 why would there be a need for seperate whole forums Oct 02 20:38:38 when their are subsections dealing with those things Oct 02 20:38:42 Tadthebuilder, I don't know. Oct 02 20:38:50 (okay not a whole subforum for mer, but..._) Oct 02 20:39:23 I stay in this room because it makes me feel average Oct 02 20:39:24 no..os as a layer above forums for apps, etc Oct 02 20:39:39 come again? Oct 02 20:39:57 nvm Oct 02 20:40:22 kk Oct 02 20:42:09 okay Oct 02 20:42:15 I looked at the dcast emu for linux Oct 02 20:42:33 and on a 3 gig processor computer it does not seem to run any game at full speed without graphical glitches... Oct 02 20:42:39 so why would anyone try to even run it on pandora? Oct 02 20:43:08 (and then try to port it to n900) Oct 02 20:43:34 the only obvious reason: n900 outperforms a 3ghz super computer Oct 02 20:43:38 Tadthebuilder, the better question is always "Why not?" ;) Oct 02 20:44:03 Tadthebuilder, different archiectures make different kinds of apps "work" Oct 02 20:44:03 an n900 has a 600 megahertz processor Oct 02 20:44:08 okay Oct 02 20:44:23 so the speed is less important than the architecture>? Oct 02 20:44:40 MHz don't translate accross architectures like that. Oct 02 20:44:44 ah okay Oct 02 20:44:48 remember - the pc had to get >500mhz at least to "feel" the same perforance level as a 7mhz amiga Oct 02 20:45:02 why is a two behind your name? Oct 02 20:45:05 sorry Oct 02 20:45:07 random Oct 02 20:45:15 ah okay...maybe I should sell my desktop Oct 02 20:45:29 It could be as simple as the Pandora folka putting in a lot of heavy hand optimization. Oct 02 20:45:31 n900s around the house :D Oct 02 20:45:32 and put that money in the stock market in the hopes that I can get enough in 6 months for a n900 Oct 02 20:45:33 then Oct 02 20:45:53 and use that... Oct 02 20:45:58 instead of my desktop Oct 02 20:46:14 (though if someone paid me 100 dollars for my desktop theyd be getting ripped off) Oct 02 20:46:27 well it seems the issue is though the emulator is not very finished Oct 02 20:46:33 and its the only one I can find for linux at all Oct 02 20:46:39 so im assuming its the one ported to the pandora Oct 02 20:47:02 and if they did optimizations that effect how it emulate I hope that that gets incorporated at the root Oct 02 20:47:12 just used Transmission for the first time on my N810. wow...worked great Oct 02 20:47:49 now i can watch Dexter tonite lol Oct 02 20:48:11 http://www.lxdream.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=35 Oct 02 20:48:18 compatibility tests Oct 02 20:48:21 on different machines Oct 02 20:48:24 if anyone is interested Oct 02 20:49:49 congrats on the use of transmission Oct 02 20:50:10 so is there a chance of arm catching up and replacing x86? Oct 02 20:50:27 hmm, seems like android does all the mms sending over http Oct 02 20:51:25 would that be implementable on the n900? Oct 02 20:51:32 WHEE! Oct 02 20:51:37 I can come out of hiding now Oct 02 20:51:50 i assume it would be, on the other hand ive mightve missed something in the android code :p Oct 02 20:52:05 Myrtti, aw, but I wanted to ban him. :( Oct 02 20:52:06 myrtti why were you hiding? Oct 02 20:52:17 ah yes Oct 02 20:52:19 GeneralAntilles: yeah, I know Oct 02 20:52:28 because user__ was such a pleasant fellow >_< Oct 02 20:52:33 haha Oct 02 20:52:35 Myrtti: I'd have gotten pissed off, personally Oct 02 20:52:47 he deserves a booting and a beating Oct 02 20:53:19 just some gentle education with a pink feather boa Oct 02 20:53:24 lol Oct 02 20:54:02 looking at some stuff on the internet methinks it may have been a mistake for microsoft to not make windows 7 for arm Oct 02 20:54:24 it seems like for laptops, and netbooks arm could possibley be the future...less power usage and an increase in speed Oct 02 20:55:20 * lbt looks at atom and thinks Arm had better get a move on... Oct 02 20:56:00 arm use significantly less power Oct 02 20:56:01 lbt, pfft Oct 02 20:56:09 lbt pfft? Oct 02 20:56:11 * frals goes off to read more android mms code Oct 02 20:56:17 PFFT Oct 02 20:56:18 lbt, Cortex A9 will be big Oct 02 20:56:46 yeah thats what I was reading about Oct 02 20:56:51 lbt, Atom isn't even in the league for power consumption Oct 02 20:56:53 * lbt passes frals some thermal printer paper to go with it... Oct 02 20:57:07 ye color fax is deffo next on the list ;) Oct 02 20:57:14 so think Oct 02 20:57:25 a netbook with the battery life of a itt Oct 02 20:57:36 or even a desktop the uses significantly less power Oct 02 20:57:43 so you pay less in your electricity bill Oct 02 20:58:10 frals is going to singlehandedly quiet all the Talk trolls who will never buy a devce anyway. :P Oct 02 20:58:29 itt? Internet Tablet Talk? ;) Oct 02 20:58:38 Dealbreaker if MMS doesn't come from Nokia itself! Oct 02 20:58:38 internet troll talk Oct 02 20:58:50 i mean Oct 02 20:58:53 it Oct 02 20:59:06 deal breaker if I cannot find it used in decent condition in two years Oct 02 20:59:08 I'd like a netbook I can let idle without having its battery run out in 4 hours. Oct 02 20:59:13 GAN800: yeah, just need to hardmod a capactive touchscreen after that and iphone emu and none could complain! Oct 02 20:59:17 an always on netbook Oct 02 20:59:19 but Oct 02 20:59:22 ;) Oct 02 20:59:24 it would have to run a non windows os Oct 02 21:00:10 Fine by me. Oct 02 21:00:38 well Oct 02 21:00:47 Ubuntu Moblin is coming together. Oct 02 21:01:01 as long as they dont put that crappy stuff that was on the eee's Oct 02 21:01:03 frals: *open-source* iPhone emu ;P Oct 02 21:01:10 :D Oct 02 21:01:16 ubuntu nbr might be up to the task Oct 02 21:01:30 It's about time people realized that they don't ACTUALLY need Windows. Oct 02 21:01:41 except to play counter strike Oct 02 21:01:43 No waaaay Oct 02 21:01:48 or WoW Oct 02 21:01:48 Wine Oct 02 21:01:50 or Office Oct 02 21:01:50 * qwerty12_N810 needs it Oct 02 21:01:53 Wine Oct 02 21:01:58 pfft Oct 02 21:02:01 come over here Oct 02 21:02:04 qwerty12 is a luser Oct 02 21:02:07 and get counter strike to run in wine Oct 02 21:02:09 on my computer Oct 02 21:02:13 at decent speeds Oct 02 21:02:17 GAN800: Isn't moblin based on Fedora by now? Oct 02 21:02:19 in wine on linux Oct 02 21:02:36 actually sony ebook reader library Oct 02 21:02:37 where I want it Oct 02 21:02:46 * qwerty12_N810 would respond, but remembers that GAN800 uses OS X. Enough said... Oct 02 21:02:46 range, there's an Ubuntu release with the UI stuff. Oct 02 21:02:50 I bought some books from there not realizing their drm.... Oct 02 21:03:22 I actually prefer openoffice.org to the newest microsoft office Oct 02 21:03:23 qwerty12, hey, at least it's not Microsoft. :P Oct 02 21:03:48 Hitler: At least it's not Microsoft! Oct 02 21:03:58 I think Apple might be worse than ms Oct 02 21:04:00 this is the part where i say i use office2007 suite by choice? Oct 02 21:04:02 * RST38h laughs satanically Oct 02 21:04:04 Tadthebuilder, Fictionwise's Mobipocket stuff is pretty easy to convert. Oct 02 21:04:13 yeah I know that Oct 02 21:04:22 but I bought some things directly from sony Oct 02 21:04:22 GAN800: Apple brought out the iPhone, I can never choose them over MS :p Oct 02 21:04:33 Apple actually contributes to open source. Oct 02 21:04:37 (a Christian Theology text book for a class that I could not find any where else) Oct 02 21:04:53 yes Oct 02 21:04:56 But, yes, their mobile stuff is disturbing. Oct 02 21:05:02 but easy development and adding of applications is better than open source Oct 02 21:05:04 os Oct 02 21:05:05 did I say that outloud? Oct 02 21:05:11 no Oct 02 21:05:28 yes, I heared you saying something about liking furry stuff. Oct 02 21:05:29 by that I meant Oct 02 21:05:31 qwerty12_N810: Did you see somebody asked for webkit on fremantle? Oct 02 21:05:49 The whole Apple Computer to Apple thing disturbs me. Oct 02 21:05:59 that I would rather deal with a company that let anyone create software for it even if they never did anything with the open source community Oct 02 21:06:06 X-Fade: Yes, but it's up to Bundyo to get the ball rolling... I just did stuff to make it build on the autobuilder Oct 02 21:06:12 than one that made you go through them to develop software for it Oct 02 21:06:25 Tadthebuilder: what are you doing here? go grab windows mobile! Oct 02 21:06:33 qwerty12_N810: Ah. Oct 02 21:06:35 Id much prefer maemo Oct 02 21:06:43 I was refering to windows mobile vs iphone Oct 02 21:06:52 Windows Mobile. Endorsed by javispedro. Oct 02 21:07:07 if i had to choose Oct 02 21:07:12 * javispedro did call "Windows Mobile" "Winbugs Unmobile" quite a few times. Oct 02 21:07:18 How much are they paying you? :p Oct 02 21:07:19 I am soooooooooooooooooooo funny. Oct 02 21:07:37 maybe Im not making any sense Oct 02 21:07:38 ... Oct 02 21:07:57 I just hate the fact that the only way apple wants you to install software is through their store Oct 02 21:08:00 thats what I hate Oct 02 21:08:10 * qwerty12_N810 isn't into the open-source-or-die movement himself Oct 02 21:08:33 well programmers need to eat too Oct 02 21:08:35 I apperciate open source developers Oct 02 21:08:45 but I dont think its immoral to develop closed source Oct 02 21:08:45 I would be into the opensource-or-die movement if it could be enforced by law. It won't, so companies enforcing it are at a disadvantage Oct 02 21:09:43 (for example, no 3D. or does anyknow how many bricks you need to hit Imagination with in order for them to release free libGLES?) Oct 02 21:09:53 or nvidia, for the case. Oct 02 21:10:23 death penalty for creating closed source software would be a little extreme.... Oct 02 21:11:02 a few minutes of electric chair would be OK. Oct 02 21:11:03 (note: I really was not trying to be a troll, or get into a fight, I promise) Oct 02 21:11:10 waterboarding Oct 02 21:11:25 * Robot101 got *really* confused because he hit the wrong key and thought this was #collabora... and like... who are all of these people?! Oct 02 21:11:33 I'm sure we didn't hire this many people... Oct 02 21:11:41 Too late Oct 02 21:11:45 welcome to maemo robot Oct 02 21:11:53 Tar. Feathers. Oct 02 21:11:56 what too late? Oct 02 21:12:30 * javispedro wastes time http://depot.javispedro.com/stupidity.png Oct 02 21:12:48 interesting Oct 02 21:12:58 Sexy Oct 02 21:13:07 javis: running on armel qemu? =) Oct 02 21:13:22 nope, x86, sw rendering, and even that was hard enough already. Oct 02 21:13:36 someone forgot to remember heaps are execution protected..... Oct 02 21:14:11 (basically, a waste of time :P) Oct 02 21:14:12 are they? Oct 02 21:14:18 RST38h: at least on amd64. Oct 02 21:14:31 works fine in WinXP on Intel Oct 02 21:14:34 and probably any x86 with PAE kernel. Oct 02 21:14:58 NX feature is separate from PAE Oct 02 21:15:51 ah well. Oct 02 21:16:38 even then, I think Windows only enables it in the PAE kernel for unknown reasons. Oct 02 21:17:00 protection against evil hackers (tm)? Oct 02 21:17:02 * Robot101 would be interested in q/wg 335 Oct 02 21:17:21 * Robot101 fails at irssi again Oct 02 21:17:41 RST38h: yes, but I mean why in PAE kernel only. Oct 02 21:18:53 who knows...who cares...sleep! Oct 02 21:19:08 good advice. Oct 02 21:19:42 does anyone know what the cortex-a9 power usage would compare to a similar speed atom? Oct 02 21:19:51 Texas Instruments knows. Oct 02 21:20:12 but they are not speaking Oct 02 21:20:33 the touchbook 2.0 Oct 02 21:20:37 The answer is "depends" :) Oct 02 21:20:53 oh okay Oct 02 21:21:00 im going to pretend likes thats a full answera Oct 02 21:21:05 and not ask a follow up question Oct 02 21:21:12 because I probably would not understand the answer anyway Oct 02 21:21:26 power use is complicated Oct 02 21:21:35 hardware isn't the entire story Oct 02 21:21:44 okay makes sense Oct 02 21:21:47 And there are different things you use the system for Oct 02 21:22:16 so its also the systems interaction with the processor Oct 02 21:22:21 aka the software has to be good? Oct 02 21:23:23 depends on usag Oct 02 21:23:25 e Oct 02 21:23:25 For example, the beagleboard uses the same (nearly) chip as N900, but people typically use a fairly "normal" linux kernel and fairly "normal" distribution environment on top. This results in a "standby" batterylife of a few hours if you'd power it by the same battery as N900. And that is without wifi, bluetooth or 3G radios Oct 02 21:23:27 etc Oct 02 21:23:38 ah Oct 02 21:23:42 but maemo Oct 02 21:23:44 is coded Oct 02 21:23:53 so as to take advantage of the lower power Oct 02 21:23:58 But the same chip in the N900, with the power-optimized linux kernel that Nokia uses, and the power optimized maemo distribution on top, would achieve days of standby time Oct 02 21:24:05 and bah okay Oct 02 21:24:09 ah not bah Oct 02 21:24:23 That's more than factor 10 difference Oct 02 21:24:58 I don't belive that Atom can go that low Oct 02 21:26:45 makes sense Oct 02 21:27:02 From a user's point of view, huge standby times completely transform the user experience. Your device is always ready to instantly react to what you want to do. No need to boot it up. The minute or two it takes to switch on a laptop is a big threshold, but you don't realize it's there until you've used a device that's always ready. Oct 02 21:27:39 Once you experience computer-liek performance that's always ready for you, you probably wouldn't even notice if, for example, battery life with Atom in active use was 5 hours and battery life with Arm in active use was 3 hours Oct 02 21:27:47 Jaffa, can you call my mobile? I lost my phone Oct 02 21:27:56 I'm not saying that Arm would get less battery life in active use than Atom Oct 02 21:28:12 I suspect Arm would beat Atom Oct 02 21:28:21 I'm just saying it "depends" :) Oct 02 21:28:56 I believe always-on is one of those things that transform the way we use and think about our devices Oct 02 21:29:43 But even with Arm being capable of this, it's not enough to just use Arm, as evident by how most people use beagleboard :) Oct 02 21:30:25 can anyone please call my phone? Kind of an emergency here? Anyone in the UK willing to place a call? Oct 02 21:31:02 Do you expect to hear it ring, or do you expect someone else has it? Oct 02 21:31:05 crashanddie: place your number in a phonebox near you Oct 02 21:31:59 a phonebox? Oct 02 21:32:05 ShadowJK, dunno, any answer would be good. No-one answering means I forgot it at the office and means I'm stuffed, no answer could also mean I lost if on my way back home Oct 02 21:32:34 but I used it to give someone directions, so I didn't forget it at the office Oct 02 21:33:06 n900? Oct 02 21:33:07 in that case I suspect it'd be best if someone without furriner accent tried calling :) Oct 02 21:38:10 i need more ram Oct 02 21:38:45 me too Oct 02 21:38:51 my computer just crashed Oct 02 21:38:58 locked up Oct 02 21:42:05 I still want a network sync for FBReader. Oct 02 21:42:39 What's an accurate way to time functions in microsecond precision on the n810? Oct 02 21:42:54 It seems std::clock() is inaccurate. Oct 02 21:47:02 lcuk: you in here still? Oct 02 21:47:44 coldboot, you could use ftime: http://www.meangene.com/notes/time.html Oct 02 21:48:34 ShadowJK, thanks anyway, found the phone Oct 02 21:49:10 Where was it? Oct 02 21:54:14 GeneralAntilles: if you want network sync for ____, look at cron+rsync Oct 02 21:54:51 Firebird: Are you sure that works on the n810? Because clock() is completely useless. Oct 02 21:55:43 Firebird: I don't think that will work. Oct 02 21:56:12 wiretapped, I was thinking of just adding rsync to the .desktop. Oct 02 21:59:47 coldboot, have you tried gettimeofday() ? Oct 02 22:00:34 coldboot, look at post 3 for an example: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/588307/c-obtaining-milliseconds-time-on-linux-clock-doesnt-seem-to-work-properly Oct 02 22:02:47 Firebird: Ah, thanks. Oct 02 22:02:53 CPU time, very important difference. Oct 02 22:02:59 I'm measuring IO time. Oct 02 22:03:04 ah Oct 02 22:14:08 any one used andrewfbacks freemantle theme for diablo? Oct 02 22:14:13 its awesome Oct 02 22:14:16 I mean most of my time is spent on IO. Oct 02 22:41:04 re Oct 02 22:45:00 anyone happen to know which lib I must link against to get gdk_x11_drawable_get_xid()? Oct 02 22:48:48 ldd? Oct 02 22:48:51 oh, nm Oct 02 22:48:54 * Mousey butts out Oct 02 22:49:07 np Oct 02 22:49:23 just that the Fremantle SDK doens't recognise it, while the Diablo one does Oct 02 22:50:08 'tiss in here thoough: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Camera_API_Usage Oct 02 22:51:02 well GDK_WINDOW_XWINDOW which is define#'d as above Oct 02 22:53:57 I add, in the standard 8 lines, my output: ;) Oct 02 22:54:11 gcc `pkg-config --libs gconf-2.0 hildon-1 hildon-fm-2 gtk+-2.0 libosso gdk-2.0 gconf-2.0 gnome-vfs-2.0 gstreamer-0.10 sqlite3 conic glib-2.0` -lgstinterfaces-0.10 -ldmtx -lpthread `curl-config --libs` batoo.o lists.o camera.o gui.o web.o maemo-barcode.o bch15_5.o binarize.o image.o isaac.o qrdec.o qrdectxt.o rs.o util.o -o mbarcode Oct 02 22:54:11 camera.o: In function `expose_cb': Oct 02 22:54:11 camera.c:(.text+0x95c): undefined reference to `GDK_WINDOW_XWINDOW' Oct 02 22:54:11 gui.o: In function `scan_button_pressed': Oct 02 22:54:11 gui.c:(.text+0xfd0): undefined reference to `GDK_WINDOW_XWINDOW' Oct 02 22:54:15 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Oct 02 22:54:15 make: *** [mbarcode] Error 1 Oct 02 22:54:17 any thoughts appreciated Oct 02 22:55:16 lardman: try #including Oct 02 23:00:09 javispedro: it's a linker error though Oct 02 23:00:19 lardman: but GDK_WINDOW_XWINDOW is a macro. Oct 02 23:00:32 yeah Oct 02 23:00:36 you're missing the definition, Oct 02 23:00:44 thus the compiler thinks you're trying to invoke an extern function. Oct 02 23:00:50 ah, ok Oct 02 23:01:32 nope, still broken, same error Oct 02 23:01:44 hmm hang on Oct 02 23:03:05 ok fixed, thanks Oct 02 23:03:18 and thanks qwerty12_N810 who suggested it earlier too ;) Oct 02 23:03:46 heh :D Oct 02 23:05:20 :) Oct 02 23:48:51 tear with three tabs was giving me bogdowns and swap. so i disabled scripting, extensions, image loading, full zooming Oct 02 23:49:09 and now it is like the web should be! Oct 02 23:49:16 lol Oct 02 23:49:20 text and hyperlinks :@ Oct 02 23:49:34 sssuperfast Oct 02 23:49:37 Minus images and scripting. :P Oct 02 23:49:47 righzt Oct 02 23:49:54 i need two browsers Oct 02 23:50:06 one w/9o Oct 02 23:50:12 w/o fluff Oct 02 23:50:16 tear is fast as long as you limit yourself to one tab :) Oct 02 23:50:23 /window Oct 02 23:50:34 need multiple pages Oct 02 23:50:41 it is my memory cache Oct 02 23:51:11 now how to make xchat launch tear? Oct 02 23:51:13 mine too Oct 02 23:51:21 with proper invocation? Oct 02 23:52:02 hmm "tear" seems to work Oct 03 00:05:52 is there a more lightweight terminal? osso-xterm takes 4.2MB in htop Oct 03 00:06:00 with 2 windows Oct 03 00:06:48 i had x running on 12MB systems... Oct 03 00:07:11 '4' Oct 03 00:07:23 Or was that 3 Oct 03 00:09:15 pupnik_: urxvt Oct 03 00:09:23 pupnik_: esp. urxvtd/urxvtc Oct 03 00:09:41 ~lart Humax for making H Oct 03 00:09:42 * infobot takes out Humax with the trash for making H Oct 03 00:09:57 in fact for making crappy hard disk recorders which don;t work Oct 03 00:10:20 astorm - it works on tablet?? Oct 03 00:10:46 why wouldn't it? Oct 03 00:10:55 it has no special keys though Oct 03 00:11:03 you mean, the 'key' bar Oct 03 00:11:10 *you know Oct 03 00:11:27 it's not hildonized, but it doesn't matter Oct 03 00:11:32 /media/mmc2/fun # apt-cache search urxvt Oct 03 00:11:33 it has no menu anyway Oct 03 00:11:34 ... Oct 03 00:11:38 pupnik_: rxvt-unicode Oct 03 00:12:08 what repo? Oct 03 00:12:11 no idea Oct 03 00:12:18 I haven't tried it on maemo Oct 03 00:12:20 only on mer Oct 03 00:12:24 k Oct 03 00:12:31 ask someone to build it Oct 03 00:12:42 (but make sure they include truetype/xft support) Oct 03 00:12:51 (and maybe unicode3 for the chinese ;p ) Oct 03 00:14:05 nothing was found for "rxvt-unicode" in OS 2008 Oct 03 00:14:11 on gronmayer Oct 03 00:14:21 so you get to build it ;p Oct 03 00:14:27 maybe rxvt Oct 03 00:14:36 but that will likely be the one w/o unicode Oct 03 00:14:39 so less useful Oct 03 00:16:08 lxde terminal is light too Oct 03 00:16:11 might be available Oct 03 00:16:20 but urxvt is lighter and more full-featured Oct 03 00:20:12 roxterm... Oct 03 00:20:22 nah, roxterm is weak Oct 03 00:20:48 night all Oct 03 00:23:49 heh roxterm says 5.1 MB in htop Oct 03 00:23:54 i mean % Oct 03 00:24:00 bleh Oct 03 00:24:49 pupnik_: ... told you Oct 03 00:24:57 lxterminal Oct 03 00:24:59 check it Oct 03 00:25:15 and grab rxvt-unicode from debian or ubuntu armel Oct 03 00:25:24 for a test Oct 03 00:26:08 i always use urxvt on linux pc Oct 03 00:26:15 good choice. Oct 03 00:27:18 konsole Oct 03 00:27:45 lol Oct 03 00:27:54 can't go any heavier than that Oct 03 00:28:25 he I dont use kwin Oct 03 00:28:37 so I can use something bigger as terminal Oct 03 00:28:38 even less of a reason to use konsole Oct 03 00:28:48 * AStorm can't find the logic in that Oct 03 00:28:51 what is it about cop shows that they always have to add tire screeching noises? Oct 03 00:29:06 MaceN8x0: it's "kewl" Oct 03 00:29:16 also, I can make tire noises with my car on demand Oct 03 00:29:18 ;P Oct 03 00:29:31 heh Oct 03 00:29:44 but the car slowly pulled into a parking spot Oct 03 00:30:04 pupnik_: recommended resources: metaSendsEscape, font: xft:Sans:size=14, scrollBar: false Oct 03 00:30:09 screeching in a situation that was like Oct 03 00:30:10 scrollTtyOutput: false Oct 03 00:30:40 no Oct 03 00:30:43 heh Oct 03 00:30:52 ty astorm Oct 03 00:31:04 anyways... have to go Oct 03 00:31:05 pupnik_: and scrollWithBuffer: false Oct 03 00:31:09 is xft builtin now? Oct 03 00:31:20 oh that is new to me Oct 03 00:31:43 pupnik_: it is optional Oct 03 00:31:56 but is light still :) Oct 03 00:34:22 pupnik_: color set is slightly different from xterm's by default Oct 03 00:34:28 but that's easily tunable Oct 03 00:34:41 terrible colors Oct 03 00:34:56 what do zou use Oct 03 00:35:08 yeah, too light. Oct 03 00:35:10 hmm, on the new machine? Oct 03 00:35:12 nothing yet ;p Oct 03 00:35:14 I have to fix those Oct 03 00:35:47 pupnik_: try those "Tango theme" like colors Oct 03 00:35:56 http://paste.lisp.org/display/59026 Oct 03 00:36:09 k Oct 03 00:36:44 lacking butter for caramel, i made popcorn with melted nutella just now Oct 03 00:37:04 hm, sounds tasty and... fattening Oct 03 00:37:10 feeling a bit woozy from the sugar, tbh Oct 03 00:37:54 what u got in the fridge? Oct 03 00:38:21 * SpeedEvil has a concoction made from two cans of peaches, and a tub of natural yogurt. Oct 03 00:38:30 me, tomato paste, jelly, nutella, some too-old joghurt Oct 03 00:38:32 Topped with some nice biscuits. Yummy. Oct 03 00:38:36 mmm Oct 03 00:38:40 nice Oct 03 00:38:53 Also solder paste. Oct 03 00:38:55 hrm, good Oct 03 00:38:57 *food Oct 03 00:38:59 walnuts are ripe here Oct 03 00:39:01 Which is probably not so yummy. Oct 03 00:39:13 * Robot101 missed the window of opportunity for pizza ordering Oct 03 00:39:13 doesn't matter :) Oct 03 00:39:13 (though I haven't tried, it could be ambrosia) Oct 03 00:39:14 :( Oct 03 00:39:15 some whole grain buns Oct 03 00:39:17 butter, some kind of meat Oct 03 00:39:20 (in slices) Oct 03 00:39:42 Couple of weeks since I last shopped, the fridge is moderately empty Oct 03 00:40:05 fresh tomato, pickled beet ;p Oct 03 00:40:38 (coarse grated) Oct 03 00:40:48 mid-quality vodka, mineral water Oct 03 00:41:06 12% cream Oct 03 00:41:16 hmmm, more? Oct 03 00:41:18 ;p Oct 03 00:41:33 pupnik_: those tango colors are fake ;p Oct 03 00:41:47 pupnik_: try these: http://yorik.orgfree.com/linuxstuff.html Oct 03 00:41:51 (lower down the page) Oct 03 00:42:45 Robot101, can we be more descriptive in which service are supported in the Telepathy plugin pretty names? Oct 03 00:43:49 GAN800: how do you mean? Oct 03 00:43:57 oh right, in the package manager? Oct 03 00:44:02 Yeah Oct 03 00:44:06 there should be one package which pulls them all in Oct 03 00:44:12 rtcomm-extras? or telepathy-extras? Oct 03 00:44:21 Maybe the short description, actually Oct 03 00:44:30 lolwut Oct 03 00:44:36 these are the dark variant ;p Oct 03 00:44:51 Because who the hell knows what haze/idle/salut mean. :D Oct 03 00:44:51 but yeah, feel free to drop a mail to jonnny.lamb@collabora.co.uk and suggest tweaks Oct 03 00:44:58 a fair point Oct 03 00:44:59 :D Oct 03 00:45:04 OK, will do Oct 03 00:45:24 pupnik_: this is a good resource: http://tuxtraining.com/2009/06/27/terminal-color-schemes-for-xdefaults-or-xresources-file Oct 03 00:45:28 Considering our new more mass market audience. ;) Oct 03 00:45:39 GAN800: right Oct 03 00:45:53 GAN800: maybe we should make some videos of how to set them up? Oct 03 00:45:54 8 tear windows open and running fine :) Oct 03 00:46:17 Since probably 90% of them will install first thing. Oct 03 00:46:28 Videos sound excellent. Oct 03 00:46:52 yeah Peter suggested it to me, but I forgot until now Oct 03 00:47:06 Although it's beautifully easy once you know which package you need. Oct 03 00:47:16 yup, can be a nice short video :D Oct 03 00:47:32 we're trying to make MSN video calling work too Oct 03 00:47:35 a bit of a faff Oct 03 00:47:43 but it should be possible Oct 03 00:47:47 drop in the extra farsight plugin Oct 03 00:47:59 Just too bad they can't be in there by default. :( Oct 03 00:48:27 that kind of thing might get easier for Maemo as the public profile is higher Oct 03 00:48:33 True Oct 03 00:49:05 * Robot101 knows that such business development can be hard and make little sense... :D Oct 03 00:49:15 Get enough free lawyers to handle the negotiations. ;) Oct 03 00:49:29 our lawyers are so totally not free Oct 03 00:49:34 :D Oct 03 00:49:37 Hehe Oct 03 00:49:42 *available Oct 03 00:49:59 I need to add up our legal fees and compare to lawyers salary Oct 03 00:50:05 I absolutely love what they did with the user manual Oct 03 00:50:05 I wonder when we need to get a general attorney... Oct 03 00:50:27 Aparently Maemo has DRM. ;) Oct 03 00:50:44 o rly? :P Oct 03 00:50:46 s/Ap/App/ Oct 03 00:50:46 GAN800 meant: Apparently Maemo has DRM. ;) Oct 03 00:50:58 * Robot101 smacks infobot Oct 03 00:51:16 According to the legal boilerplate in the manual, anyway. :roll: Oct 03 00:52:00 pupnik_: of note, theme 3 looks like default xterm Oct 03 00:52:10 I filed a bunch of bugs on the manual this morning. Hoping to see something productive come of ot. Oct 03 00:53:19 s/ot/out of it Oct 03 00:53:41 hi Oct 03 00:54:58 Howdy Oct 03 00:55:19 GAN800: you mean WinMedia DRM support, then yes, it has Oct 03 00:55:23 well protected too ;p Oct 03 00:55:47 were most of the bugs on the manual grammer related? Oct 03 00:55:53 Yes Oct 03 00:55:59 Finglish Oct 03 00:56:04 grammar* Oct 03 00:56:13 heh, It was quite humurous Oct 03 00:56:22 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/diablo/install/lightmediascanner0-plugins.install Oct 03 00:56:25 I wonder if they have already been printed like that though Oct 03 00:56:25 some one Oct 03 00:56:30 kane trai this Oct 03 00:56:39 The 'About Maemo software' section was my favorite Oct 03 00:56:42 traig to install Oct 03 00:56:55 and it sais missing packige Oct 03 00:57:06 Tadthebuilder, almost certainly Oct 03 00:57:14 heh Oct 03 00:57:16 thats funny Oct 03 00:57:59 what package were you missing? Oct 03 00:58:16 all Oct 03 00:58:22 um? Oct 03 00:58:34 like did it list things specifically? Oct 03 00:58:36 it sais theht the hole packig is missing Oct 03 00:58:55 lightmediascanner0-plugins Oct 03 00:59:00 try adding it through the application manager Oct 03 00:59:15 once you enable extra-devel Oct 03 00:59:22 giv a direckt linc to the installitin packige Oct 03 00:59:35 I just installed it Oct 03 00:59:35 its eneibaled Oct 03 00:59:37 cause I did not have it Oct 03 00:59:50 setting application manager Oct 03 00:59:55 installable applications Oct 03 00:59:59 then click search Oct 03 01:00:00 type in light Oct 03 01:00:02 and try it from there Oct 03 01:00:12 alredi trai this Oct 03 01:00:21 apt-get install Oct 03 01:00:29 and everiting Oct 03 01:00:46 and it says it doesnt exist? Oct 03 01:00:54 not that you arent missing other packages Oct 03 01:01:00 but that that specific package is missing? Oct 03 01:01:05 apt sais it is som dependence Oct 03 01:01:24 okay Oct 03 01:01:25 and the menager seis it missing Oct 03 01:01:28 so your missing a dependency Oct 03 01:01:31 from server Oct 03 01:01:33 i think Oct 03 01:01:39 any ideas anyone? Oct 03 01:02:14 can you paste or type into this what you got from the command line Oct 03 01:02:20 when trying apt-get? Oct 03 01:02:30 ok Oct 03 01:04:56 /home/user # apt-get install lightmediascanner0-plugins Oct 03 01:05:20 Depends: lightmediascanner0-ogg (= 0.3.0-maemo2) but it is not going to be installed Oct 03 01:05:42 im actually at a loss Oct 03 01:05:48 lets see if any one can help Oct 03 01:05:55 I know some of you are lurking Oct 03 01:06:00 anyone know what the problem is? Oct 03 01:06:55 Gan800: any idea what the problem may be? Oct 03 01:08:31 BusyBox v1.6.1 (2008-09-18 09:43:17 EEST) Built-in shell (ash) Oct 03 01:08:31 Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. Oct 03 01:08:31 Reading package lists... Done Oct 03 01:08:31 Building dependency tree Oct 03 01:08:31 Reading state information... Done Oct 03 01:08:31 Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have Oct 03 01:09:40 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/diablo/install/lightmediascanner0-plugins.install Oct 03 01:10:08 im not really sure Oct 03 01:10:09 can some one traing to install and see if its worc Oct 03 01:10:18 maybe it you wait around a bit a guy smarter than me will be able to help Oct 03 01:10:24 ot its my problem Oct 03 01:11:05 thancks for traing Oct 03 01:11:07 :) Oct 03 01:11:15 to help Oct 03 01:12:16 your welcome Oct 03 01:12:20 It installed on mine though Oct 03 01:12:23 I just did it Oct 03 01:12:25 n800 Oct 03 01:12:38 ok Oct 03 01:12:45 thanks again Oct 03 01:13:00 so its problem on my device Oct 03 01:13:53 gona trai with force Oct 03 01:14:56 wath is the rigt command Oct 03 01:15:06 apt-get install -f Oct 03 01:15:09 ? Oct 03 01:15:17 i dont know Oct 03 01:15:21 try googleing it hah Oct 03 01:20:32 evriting is beckos use ave canola clinup Oct 03 01:20:45 after thet onli a problems Oct 03 01:24:50 sorry Oct 03 01:24:57 can you trying saying that again? Oct 03 01:26:16 bad english sorri Oct 03 01:26:30 its okay Oct 03 01:29:39 i do have canola installed if that is what you were trying to say Oct 03 01:30:21 my tu Oct 03 01:30:35 but it did not playing Oct 03 01:30:44 music or video Oct 03 01:30:48 onli images Oct 03 01:34:31 you never got it to paly mp3 Oct 03 01:34:46 no Oct 03 01:34:54 it worsk well Oct 03 01:34:59 until todai Oct 03 01:35:19 ay sorr a new version rc2 Oct 03 01:35:26 and wont to install Oct 03 01:35:54 traiet and it sai thet is a conflickt Oct 03 01:36:02 remove the old Oct 03 01:36:07 and again Oct 03 01:36:11 the same error Oct 03 01:36:24 then install canola-clenup Oct 03 01:36:29 and now Oct 03 01:36:37 :) Oct 03 01:36:40 problems Oct 03 01:36:52 ah Oct 03 01:36:56 okay it was a problem with an update Oct 03 01:37:11 update is not a gud think Oct 03 01:37:26 evri ting thrt it worck shaud let worc Oct 03 01:37:41 everi update ay made is coasing onli trobles Oct 03 01:37:56 no mera lath traing to update Oct 03 01:38:13 I updated Oct 03 01:38:14 earlier today too Oct 03 01:38:21 but I have no ran the program till now Oct 03 01:38:23 and its working fine Oct 03 01:38:32 lucki Oct 03 01:38:33 :) Oct 03 01:38:36 does canola come in different languangeS? Oct 03 01:38:46 no ay thinc Oct 03 01:39:29 aaa Oct 03 01:39:30 gething nervis Oct 03 01:39:45 and du not wont to flash the device Oct 03 01:39:52 hava a lot ov apps Oct 03 01:39:58 and set ups Oct 03 01:41:46 hav to giv up Oct 03 01:41:48 :( Oct 03 01:42:20 come in on a week night Oct 03 01:42:21 next week Oct 03 01:42:25 and see if when more people are here Oct 03 01:42:39 its Friday night Eastern Time Oct 03 01:42:53 more people are on on week nights it seem Oct 03 01:42:55 s Oct 03 01:42:59 get help from more knowledgable people Oct 03 01:44:52 thancs Oct 03 01:46:51 Hello Oct 03 01:47:28 hi Oct 03 01:47:50 how's it going Oct 03 01:48:19 not so good Oct 03 01:48:44 what's up? Oct 03 01:50:19 tablet trobels Oct 03 01:50:20 :) Oct 03 01:50:46 ah Oct 03 01:50:53 i'm sorry to hear that Oct 03 01:51:59 he is having issues with ogg support and canola Oct 03 01:54:10 let say all support Oct 03 01:54:14 audio Oct 03 01:54:17 and video Oct 03 01:54:22 wont play Oct 03 01:54:23 =/ Oct 03 01:54:26 =/ Oct 03 01:54:30 oops Oct 03 01:54:45 I'd offer some advice, but I don't have any Oct 03 02:00:16 vladovg, do you have mplayer installed? Oct 03 02:03:40 yes Oct 03 02:03:49 and ay have uninstaled Oct 03 02:05:00 another qeston Oct 03 02:05:06 have a beckup Oct 03 02:05:14 from last wick Oct 03 02:05:39 after flashing the device Oct 03 02:05:54 did this backup restor my apps Oct 03 02:06:04 or onli the PIM data Oct 03 02:06:29 mining the shiped backup program Oct 03 02:07:59 code177: Hi. Oct 03 02:08:04 hey zero Oct 03 02:09:29 well Oct 03 02:09:33 vladodvg Oct 03 02:09:42 if you write a listo f your apps that is not hard to replace Oct 03 02:09:50 should not take more than an hour or so Oct 03 02:09:59 watching Surrogates on my tablet. movie is kna 5/10 Oct 03 02:10:01 (which might be less time then it takes to fix it) Oct 03 02:10:03 a lot ow apps Oct 03 02:10:11 Robot101, wjt: Seems that occasionally haze goes haywire to the point where everything disconnects extremely often and I have to reboot to get back to being solid again. Oct 03 02:10:40 aparently someone else is having the problem Oct 03 02:11:01 last time it tucks mor then a 5 hours Oct 03 02:11:30 are you st5150 on tmo? Oct 03 02:12:26 so the backup dont handel the apps Oct 03 02:13:10 ? Oct 03 02:13:13 not Oct 03 02:13:14 sure Oct 03 02:13:20 I dont ever back anything up... Oct 03 02:13:22 I should but I dont. Oct 03 02:13:55 for some reason I do not think it does though Oct 03 02:14:41 Backup should get a list of all the apps on your phone and reinstall them after backup restoration. Oct 03 02:14:57 shuar Oct 03 02:15:00 ? Oct 03 02:15:07 Uh.. yeah. Oct 03 02:15:24 thancs Oct 03 02:15:26 :) Oct 03 02:15:36 wow Oct 03 02:15:41 why dont I use back up then... Oct 03 02:15:47 i thought it only stored the data not the apps Oct 03 02:16:38 thomorol is the day Oct 03 02:16:40 :) Oct 03 02:16:56 thancs everilan for help Oct 03 02:17:00 It stores the data.. but it saves a list of your apps and repos so that you can easily reinstall. Oct 03 02:17:19 You guys probably weren't around for the dark ages. lol Oct 03 02:17:25 Except it wont automatically reenable Extras. :roll: Oct 03 02:18:46 good hight Oct 03 02:18:55 I dont believe a time existed without computers Oct 03 02:19:02 or without the internet tablets Oct 03 02:28:42 15 days till my wedding and my fiancee is finally going crazy from stress Oct 03 02:28:47 Im suprised she made it this long :) Oct 03 02:34:09 chloroform. Oct 03 02:35:51 Don't worry. Oct 03 02:36:05 15 days afterwards, she'll realize what a mistake this whole marriage thing was. lol Oct 03 02:37:17 ouch Oct 03 02:37:22 chloroform isnt going to work Oct 03 02:37:26 im five hours away from her Oct 03 02:37:36 Why? Oct 03 02:38:38 We met at college, both just graduated (well me finishing up residential masters work) and the wedding is near where we went to school, she is living with her parents Oct 03 02:38:43 I got a job a ways a way Oct 03 02:38:46 but the wedding is down there Oct 03 02:38:52 she will be moving down here after the wedding Oct 03 02:38:56 we are a bit old fashioned too. Oct 03 02:39:05 It might help you to know that Im a Pastor... Oct 03 02:39:08 so Oct 03 02:39:12 slightly different Oct 03 02:40:27 Yeah, I know.. So you haven't lived together or anything? Oct 03 02:41:03 nope Oct 03 02:41:08 never had sex either Oct 03 02:41:24 (not that you asked that haha) Oct 03 02:41:51 Let's put the sex thing aside a moment. Oct 03 02:42:06 It's hard to find people we're compatible with. Oct 03 02:42:20 definitly agreed. Oct 03 02:42:25 Have you two at least been in the same place with each other for... oh... say... a week? Oct 03 02:42:31 Straight. Oct 03 02:42:45 http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=lust&mrt=loc&sll=25.172109,-107.479517&sspn=5.367559,6.097412&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Lust,+39446+Sta%C3%9Ffurt,+Salzlandkreis,+Saxony-Anhalt,+Germany&z=16 Oct 03 02:43:01 if you count a dorm ten feet away...where we spent every moment not sleeping or in class together Oct 03 02:43:02 then much longer than that Oct 03 02:45:04 It's easy to be together and all happy and all that... question is how things will be at their worst. Oct 03 02:45:47 oh agreed. I have no belief that it will be easy. Marriage is not easy. Love is something that must be cultivated and maintained Oct 03 02:45:58 Anyways, I'm not trying to keep you from doing it or anything like that. I hope it works out for you as it has for me. Oct 03 02:46:22 haha Oct 03 02:46:24 thanks Oct 03 02:46:31 no no I appreciate any advice and thoughts Oct 03 02:46:38 and I also appreciate any one showing concern Oct 03 02:47:17 I just know too many people that jumped into marriage.. you know... "love is forever" and all that and then suddenly they're at each other's throats within a few months. Oct 03 02:47:50 as do I Oct 03 02:48:13 I completely understand where you are coming from Oct 03 02:48:28 I believe that love, when it comes down to it is a choice and a commitment not a feeling Oct 03 02:48:57 the feeling may be there but the commitment has to last past that feeling Oct 03 02:49:19 the butterflies may come and a go but the choice of a sacrificial love must be maintained Oct 03 02:49:47 Think it's been six years for me so far. Oct 03 02:50:13 ive been with this girl for four Oct 03 02:50:48 About 10 years for me total. Oct 03 02:51:26 ah Oct 03 02:51:36 if you dont mind me asking, do you have an children? Oct 03 02:51:39 9 year old boy together. Oct 03 02:52:04 30 years old. Oct 03 02:52:35 okay well thats definitly cool Oct 03 02:52:41 I really like children Oct 03 02:52:49 so im really looking forward to that in the future Oct 03 02:53:08 (I know thats kinda strange coming for a 23 year old guy, most are not looking forward to fatherhood) Oct 03 02:53:27 Yeah and mine has been so much fun from the start. I pretty much ruined my knees crawling around on the floor with him when he was doing the same. lol Oct 03 02:54:06 haha Oct 03 02:54:14 I work with children alot Oct 03 02:54:23 (im a specialized Pastor in your and children) Oct 03 02:54:36 and it is so sad to me to see the ones who dont have parents that care about them Oct 03 02:54:37 and things like that Oct 03 02:54:42 it makes me really sad Oct 03 02:54:53 Always glad to hear when someones willing to crawl around with their kid :) Oct 03 02:55:18 youth and children that is supposed to read **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 03 02:59:57 2009