**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 04 02:59:56 2009 Oct 04 04:18:47 wtf Oct 04 04:18:57 damn n810 was charging Oct 04 04:19:06 and told me to charge the battery Oct 04 04:19:11 and turned off Oct 04 04:19:37 wasi using power that much? Oct 04 04:19:45 charger dead? unplugged? hi load? Oct 04 04:19:59 yeah, that's the question Oct 04 04:20:08 high load i'd guess Oct 04 04:20:09 technically, I think the N8x0 can pull more power out of the battery than the charger can put in, under some circumstances Oct 04 04:20:19 yeah Oct 04 04:20:21 especially if you were really low on juice Oct 04 04:20:30 tha's what i guess happened Oct 04 04:20:35 it just died died Oct 04 04:20:48 so i turned it on with the charger in it Oct 04 04:21:01 what bullshit Oct 04 04:21:21 why doesn't itjust pull power directly from the charger? Oct 04 04:21:26 :) Oct 04 04:21:39 most handheld things don't AFAIK Oct 04 04:21:51 it's a question of complexity/cost/bulk Oct 04 04:22:22 i'd say cost Oct 04 04:22:40 that parallel power would cost $0.05 per unit Oct 04 04:23:01 cheap bastards heh Oct 04 04:23:21 to regulate it too? Oct 04 04:23:22 which is odd because the n810 is extremely well built Oct 04 04:24:15 well. they could have added the regulation in the charger :) Oct 04 04:24:42 they charge too much for the $0.10 charger per unit anyways Oct 04 04:25:07 why not make them WORTH the $10-$20 they are retail Oct 04 04:25:27 heh Oct 04 04:25:49 doesn't do anything to protect the device against 3rd party chargers Oct 04 04:25:58 probably the best momentary buffer they have is feeding power into the battery Oct 04 04:26:10 but yeah.. under a high load the charger only sometimes seems to break even Oct 04 04:26:32 How are people getting from the airport to the hotel? Oct 04 04:26:39 if i start with half a battery and have it charging while watching videos Oct 04 04:26:48 This looks vaguely useful: http://www.schipholhotelshuttle.nl/site/toonhotel.asp?HotelID=298 Oct 04 04:26:49 it remains at half Oct 04 04:27:09 GeneralAntilles: get a cab cheapo Oct 04 04:27:14 walk Oct 04 04:27:17 or rent a car Oct 04 04:27:18 is it really that far? Oct 04 04:27:29 johnx, 16km Oct 04 04:27:34 n810 has a gps :-P Oct 04 04:28:13 http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=Transformatorweg+36,+1014+AK+Amsterdam,+Netherlands+(Hotel+ibis+Amsterdam+City+West)&geocode=Cfc3QewLQpM0FdpwHwMdoP1JACHun1ALFkY48g&dirflg=&saddr=schiphol+airport&f=d&hl=en&dq=hotel+ibis&sll=52.357922,4.822323&sspn=0.082157,0.064159&ie=UTF8&ll=52.348553,4.801025&spn=0.089341,0.144024&t=h&z=13 Oct 04 04:28:22 goddamn Oct 04 04:28:44 Macer, cab is like €2 a km. Oct 04 04:29:10 GeneralAntilles, that's long enough that xchat doesn't even understand it as one URL :P Oct 04 04:29:14 32 euroes? :) Oct 04 04:29:24 Plus tip. Oct 04 04:29:26 and time Oct 04 04:29:27 try not to go bankrupt Oct 04 04:29:34 hahaha Oct 04 04:29:36 Yeah, that's exactly what I'm trying to do. Oct 04 04:29:42 johnx, http://tinyurl.com/yc56vvq Oct 04 04:30:00 Macer, college student with a new computer here. Oct 04 04:30:26 oh Oct 04 04:30:31 ok makes sense :) Oct 04 04:31:03 we could always split a cab 4 ways Oct 04 04:31:27 johnx, yeah, that's true. Oct 04 04:31:30 Question is, when are you arriving? Oct 04 04:32:29 ~8AM Oct 04 04:32:29 which is to say 7:40AM+/-40min Oct 04 04:32:42 Yeah, I see it on the wiki. Oct 04 04:32:51 isn't there like a train from the airport? Oct 04 04:33:05 Yeah, I think it's €4.00 to get downtown. Oct 04 04:33:12 Then you need to catch a couple of buses from there. Oct 04 04:34:32 i didnt get my touchbook today Oct 04 04:34:39 damnit Oct 04 04:38:12 johnx, what are our plans for Thursday morning? ;) Oct 04 04:39:04 GeneralAntilles, you getting in early too? Oct 04 04:39:10 I didn't see you on the travel page Oct 04 04:39:12 8:00AM Oct 04 04:39:15 Just added Oct 04 04:39:20 You me and rm_you are one after another. Oct 04 04:39:25 nice Oct 04 04:39:29 cool Oct 04 04:39:35 I think Adam and I were gonna do the tourist thing Oct 04 04:39:38 were we? Oct 04 04:39:42 we can all meet up and figure out wtf Oct 04 04:39:45 well Oct 04 04:39:48 if there's time Oct 04 04:39:55 theres kinda a schedule isn't there? :P Oct 04 04:40:04 Registration opens at 1700 and I've got a Nokia dinner at 1800, other than that the whole day is free. Oct 04 04:40:22 rm_you, not thursday Oct 04 04:40:28 we're 24hours early for summit Oct 04 04:41:52 hrm Oct 04 04:41:58 i thought there was something for thursday Oct 04 04:42:09 Just registration Oct 04 04:42:12 mer drinking! Oct 04 04:42:15 lulz Oct 04 04:42:16 cool Oct 04 04:52:02 is there a collaborative maemo summit map on google maps yet? Oct 04 04:56:19 Don't think so. Oct 04 05:48:40 hey someone culd updaate canola? Oct 04 05:50:36 disco_stuN800, rephrase the question. :P Oct 04 05:51:26 i tried to ask if someone was capable of updating canola Oct 04 05:53:03 GeneralAntilles, did you? Oct 04 05:53:47 disco_stuN800, update to the one in extras-devel that isn't released yet? Oct 04 05:54:35 johnxx, yup Oct 04 05:54:42 don't do that Oct 04 05:55:45 johnxx, why not? i cant anyways.. been using the same release over a year is booring.. Oct 04 06:04:21 disco_stu, because it's not finished yet. it's not installable Oct 04 06:12:28 disco_stu, yeah, bad plan. ;) Oct 04 06:15:51 GeneralAntilles, ubuntu 9.10 beta is working disturbingly well ... on a powerbook g4 Oct 04 06:16:09 totally awesome out-of-box experience Oct 04 06:23:45 johnxx, whenever I've tried to install Linux on a Mac all it results in takeoff speed on the fans. Oct 04 06:33:20 GeneralAntilles, it came up with the 3D enable, and the pad already set to do the "two finger tap for right click" Oct 04 06:41:53 morning Oct 04 06:42:34 hi Oct 04 06:43:12 hi Stskeeps Oct 04 06:44:20 morn keesj, johnxx Oct 04 06:44:55 I think xserver-xfbdev will make me crazy Oct 04 06:45:32 like you aren't already? ;) Oct 04 06:46:03 maybe it'll just move me from neurotic to psychotic Oct 04 06:46:13 hehe Oct 04 06:47:06 scary, poland has a CDMA band Oct 04 06:47:41 ugh Oct 04 06:47:48 my condolences to them Oct 04 06:48:55 i am still contemplating switching provider.. this one even spams me Oct 04 06:49:05 yeah. mine did in Japan Oct 04 06:49:53 and the worst part was it wasn't immediately obvious whether I was being spammed by a pachinko parlor or being told my bill was overdue Oct 04 06:50:16 I had to sit down and really try to parse the message only to find out that i could "meet hot girls online" or similar Oct 04 06:51:14 hehe Oct 04 06:51:31 i get my spam in polish too Oct 04 06:52:23 in terms of email spam, I get it in every language known to man Oct 04 06:52:50 does anybody else experience gcc crashing when using cmake on the fremantle armel target? Oct 04 08:14:59 It seems my name didn't end up on the participants list for the maemo summit next weekend. I remember putting my name in on a wiki page months ago. Could this be correct? Oct 04 08:15:43 X-Fade: ^^ Oct 04 08:16:15 Stecchino: you should have registered at the registration form? Oct 04 08:16:29 * Stecchino doesn't remember a registration form Oct 04 08:17:02 http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit_2009/ had a registration form in the bottom Oct 04 08:17:06 didn't even realize there was one. When I registered there was just a couple of wiki pages Oct 04 08:17:21 under "Registration" Oct 04 08:17:31 i think registration was open quite early on Oct 04 08:17:47 could it be that there was a wiki page before the registration form? Oct 04 08:18:02 search the wiki for your details? Oct 04 08:18:10 and not as i remember it, i was always using the form Oct 04 08:18:29 (fwiw, i have nothing to do with the summit except speaking there) Oct 04 08:39:19 Morning, all Oct 04 08:39:53 morning jaffa Oct 04 08:40:12 Stecchino: I don't believe there was ever registration via a wiki page. The wiki page embedded the registration list; which was always done through a web-based form Oct 04 08:40:27 Stecchino: I suggest you email council@maemo.org and ask for them to help you out if you still want to attend Oct 04 08:54:57 Jaffa: how can i try to find out why hermes is 'unable to load'? Oct 04 09:40:09 Is there an SDK for maemo5, if yes, what does it include? Does it emulate an n900 including screen output etc? Oct 04 09:40:22 including input on the screen? Oct 04 09:40:35 and does it run on linux or do I need windows? Oct 04 09:41:25 yes, there is an sdk Oct 04 09:41:32 yes it needs linux Oct 04 09:41:47 you can use the mouse and keyboard for the screen input Oct 04 09:42:30 great Oct 04 09:42:37 when i tried my app in the emulator, it worked, but didn't reproduce the output the same Oct 04 09:42:45 not sure if that was my fault or not though Oct 04 09:43:10 there is a bug somewhere in xephyr/the sdk that sometimes swaps the green and blue channels (I think it were those) Oct 04 09:43:20 could also be because i'm writing a Qt4 app and not a GTK one Oct 04 09:43:37 and you have to run stuff with run-standalone.sh to make it look correctly Oct 04 09:44:22 when i try and start with the Composite extention then i get no output from af-sb-init.sg start Oct 04 09:44:55 EspadaV8_L: Open X Terminal and run /opt/hermes/bin/hermes Oct 04 09:45:03 EspadaV8_L: And then tell me what is says Oct 04 09:45:08 Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -extension Composite Oct 04 09:45:56 Jaffa: import error Oct 04 09:46:02 no module named gnome.gconf Oct 04 09:56:21 Jaffa: apt-get install gnome-python-dev fixed the issue Oct 04 10:03:29 huh but this is really cool that there is no sdk for windows Oct 04 10:03:37 linux development ftw, yay Oct 04 10:03:43 brilliant. Oct 04 10:04:11 * Shapeshifter is still running the scratchbox installer script Oct 04 10:04:27 lol Oct 04 10:04:34 huge download Oct 04 10:04:41 i think you can install it in Cygwin for windows devs Oct 04 10:06:00 Shapeshifter: I ran the linux VirtualBox image this morning, and that is slow..... Oct 04 10:06:12 EspadaV8_L: are there any instructions for the cygwin setup? Oct 04 10:06:22 I only need to compile something, no real development Oct 04 10:06:23 well, of course you need a native linux installation. why wouldn't you have one... ;) Oct 04 10:06:59 lol, everyone shold have linux ;-) Oct 04 10:07:11 cvandonderen: no, i don't Oct 04 10:07:20 i just saw someone post it in the forums Oct 04 10:08:11 well, I do KDE-Windows development.... so I need Windows, I have a full OpenSuSE install on my external HDD though, are there any instruciotns for the scratchbox installation for SuSE, because everybody runs Ubuntu... Oct 04 10:08:34 * EspadaV8_L runs Gentoo and Arch Oct 04 10:08:45 but no, i just ran the scripts Oct 04 10:09:02 hmmm Oct 04 10:09:09 wget 2 files, chmod +x them ./