**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 10 02:59:56 2009 Oct 10 03:10:10 Bleh, hildon home keeps crashing. Oct 10 03:10:45 Got Mauku installed and the widget? Oct 10 03:11:09 Nope Oct 10 03:13:49 <|R> zerojay : so you were walking around a Metro with your n900 lately? :P Oct 10 03:14:19 <|R> http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerojay/3933861167/ <- and i mean, food store ;) Oct 10 03:14:37 Just doing grocery shopping. Oct 10 03:14:59 That was maybe the day after I got the device. Oct 10 03:15:25 <|R> Good thing you're not running into me in Montreal at the grocery store, I'd be all over you asking questions haha :) Oct 10 03:15:30 lol Oct 10 03:15:49 Someone on the bus home from work was asking me questions. Oct 10 03:15:58 <|R> he knew what you had? Oct 10 03:16:13 <|R> or was just amazed? Oct 10 03:16:17 No, he didn't. He just happened to see the transitions over my shoulder or something. Oct 10 03:16:41 <|R> hehe Oct 10 03:16:52 After ten minutes, he used his iPhone 3GS to order himself an N900 off of Amazon. lo Oct 10 03:16:53 l Oct 10 03:17:19 <|R> hahaha Oct 10 03:17:25 <|R> priceless :) Oct 10 03:17:55 When I brought it into work... that's where people were amazed. Oct 10 03:17:55 <|R> Are you in Amsterdam now? Oct 10 03:17:58 Nice Oct 10 03:18:00 No, but I should have been. Oct 10 03:18:13 zerojay, we need another Flickr group. :P Oct 10 03:18:27 I got full sponsorship paid to go, but work asked me to stay home because a deadline for one of our games got pushed forward. Oct 10 03:18:30 "Yeah, I can take pictures with my N900 too! :pout:" Oct 10 03:18:32 <|R> but then you would have had 2 N900.. Oct 10 03:18:44 One for six months, one for a year. Oct 10 03:18:47 Would have been neat. Oct 10 03:18:53 <|R> hehe :) Oct 10 03:19:09 <|R> I don't get the lease though, what are they gonna do with 300 used phones in 6 months ?! Oct 10 03:19:14 <|R> build test mesh networks? Oct 10 03:19:27 They give them away all the time. Oct 10 03:19:37 Not N900s now, but the older tablets. Oct 10 03:19:44 |R, problem is that they're pre-release hardware. Oct 10 03:19:51 <|R> oh Oct 10 03:20:11 <|R> So you'll find special bugs that only the 300 of you will be able to share! ;) Oct 10 03:20:11 I never was able to reflash the emmc. Heh. Oct 10 03:20:49 <|R> So are they offering firmware .bin files like they did before this time too? (if we have to start over...) Oct 10 03:21:13 That was just for us.. the people that got it before today. Oct 10 03:21:32 Firmware = .bin, eMMC image as well. Oct 10 03:21:56 <|R> So uhm, you mean that you actually had as a pre-tester a .bin file but were unable to reflash the device? Oct 10 03:22:13 Flashing updates won't need to be done by the general public. Oct 10 03:22:19 <|R> I know Oct 10 03:22:27 <|R> but since we're in this channel we're not the general public :P Oct 10 03:22:41 <|R> And so, if i rm -rf / by error... what do i do? Oct 10 03:22:59 eMMC = default filesystem... so basically, I wasn't able to start cleanly between firmware updates like I should have been. Oct 10 03:23:24 You'll be able to reflash. The .bin will be available. It just won't be needed if you just want to update. Oct 10 03:23:25 <|R> There has to be a "reset" option Oct 10 03:23:34 <|R> ah yes, ok, that i know :) Oct 10 03:23:43 <|R> so nothing new, great! Oct 10 03:24:26 <|R> Uhm, i wish i had a way to get a 2nd n900 coming (well paying for one is enough) so i could give one to my gf to video chat from anywhere (or whatever will be possible) Oct 10 03:24:41 Videochat will only be coming after release. Oct 10 03:24:51 Maybe the Christmas update. Oct 10 03:24:53 <|R> just chat for now would be fine :) Oct 10 03:25:11 <|R> She has wifi at work Oct 10 03:25:18 I'm sure somebody will hack something in. Oct 10 03:25:40 <|R> hopefully, get gtalk back into business if it's not there from the start ;) Oct 10 03:25:48 It's there from the start. Oct 10 03:26:00 For the other protocols, install telepathy-extras. Oct 10 03:26:03 <|R> i meant, jingle Oct 10 03:26:24 Collabora's working on that, I think. Oct 10 03:26:41 I should ping them about the Facebook chat stuff I sent them... see if it'll be released soon. Oct 10 03:26:45 Somebody needs to prettify the telepathy packages. Oct 10 03:27:17 I just want to see IRC working again. Oct 10 03:27:31 <|R> wiki.maemo.org is crashed? Oct 10 03:27:36 Pretty names, useful descriptions (especially the short ones) and icons. Oct 10 03:27:46 <|R> the postgreSQL that is Oct 10 03:27:53 Just use XChat you weird bastard. Oct 10 03:28:04 <|R> i use ssh home, or irssi hehe ;) Oct 10 03:28:13 Yeah, maemo.org is not having a good week. Oct 10 03:28:33 I don't see XChat in the repos. Oct 10 03:28:57 <|R> and uhm Oct 10 03:29:12 <|R> considering the version and media wiki's web page, security updates are to be considered it seems Oct 10 03:29:52 Midgard... Oct 10 03:29:55 * zerojay sighs. Oct 10 03:30:39 Ask qwerty12 for his new build tomorrow. Oct 10 03:31:21 I need a new microSD Oct 10 03:31:21 Of Xchat? Oct 10 03:31:27 Yeah Oct 10 03:31:51 <|R> why do people complain about missing T9 input !? Oct 10 03:32:17 Because they are simpletons. lol Oct 10 03:32:34 <|R> :] Oct 10 03:33:44 Well, it's easy to use what you know. Oct 10 03:33:49 Still no Skype in here in Canada... bleh. Oct 10 03:33:57 and some people fly with T9 Oct 10 03:34:13 <|R> fine but i'll be them with any qwerty anyday Oct 10 03:34:22 <|R> get out of junior school already! Oct 10 03:34:23 <|R> :P Oct 10 03:35:24 <|R> zerojay : Skype Canada? Oct 10 03:35:35 No SkypeIn, I should say. Oct 10 03:35:40 <|R> oh Oct 10 03:35:50 <|R> really, that's weird Oct 10 03:36:07 <|R> I have a home asterisk setup linked to unlimitel for that so never got to ask myself this question but ... Oct 10 03:36:08 CRTC's fault. Oct 10 03:36:30 <|R> how come? Oct 10 03:36:33 I've got Gizmo/sipphone too. Oct 10 03:36:38 CRTC's blocking it. Oct 10 03:36:42 <|R> what did Bell, err, i mean, the CRTC, did again? Oct 10 03:36:46 <|R> ;) Oct 10 03:37:52 <|R> Have you got your hope high for AWS on Videotron? ;) Oct 10 03:38:10 <|R> (I get the feeling we got particularly screwed in quebec...) Oct 10 03:38:38 No, but I don't really care anyways. I'm moving in a month to Halifax. Hopefully I can get Rogers to drop my contract and I can hop on Wind... if they offer anything decent anyways. Oct 10 03:38:50 <|R> you b... ! :P Oct 10 03:38:55 <|R> hehe Oct 10 03:39:06 <|R> if they don't get blocked by bell i mean, telus, i mean, CRTC! Oct 10 03:39:08 I'm setting up a new office for my company so... heh. Oct 10 03:39:13 <|R> cool :) Oct 10 03:39:21 Wind already has the bandwidth everywhere except Quebec. Oct 10 03:39:35 <|R> yeah cause fuckin' Quebecor bought all the bands! Oct 10 03:39:48 And stated that Videotron paid more for the rights to that bandwidth block in Quebec than Wind paid for the same block in the rest of Canada. Oct 10 03:39:51 <|R> i can't believe they paid more for qc than wind for all the rest of canada Oct 10 03:39:56 <|R> yeah Oct 10 03:39:59 <|R> what the hell Oct 10 03:40:29 <|R> so long for the "new commer" rule that was a bit weirdly defined ;) Oct 10 03:40:46 Sucks that I'm stuck on EDGE, but eh... Oct 10 03:40:48 <|R> should have applied to any telecom / media conglomerate, not just those who owned frequencies :| Oct 10 03:40:57 <|R> What speed are you getting on EDGE? Oct 10 03:41:02 <|R> is it even worth trying? Oct 10 03:41:10 <|R> or should i just get to learn where all the good AP are? ;) Oct 10 03:41:33 Nothing great. Good enough for occasional surfing, updates, IM and all that. Oct 10 03:41:54 <|R> oh, not bad then Oct 10 03:42:00 It's not that bad.. but I'm just used to it, I guess. Oct 10 03:42:02 <|R> what kind of speed? 15k/sec ? Oct 10 03:42:08 No idea. Oct 10 03:42:27 Might be in that ballpark Oct 10 03:43:09 <|R> Too bad we don't have unlimited plans on any GSM providers Oct 10 03:43:14 No kidding. Oct 10 03:43:27 <|R> Why aren't they pushing to become ISPs? Oct 10 03:43:36 Glad that my N900 NDA is up. Finally, something in my life I can talk about. lol Oct 10 03:43:39 <|R> could be fun to have everything over the air Oct 10 03:43:43 <|R> haha Oct 10 03:43:46 Almost everything else in my life is under NDA. Oct 10 03:43:56 <|R> is the NDA under infinit NDA ? Oct 10 03:44:24 I'm under 3 NDAs right now. Oct 10 03:44:28 <|R> ouch Oct 10 03:44:37 <|R> including the expired one? Oct 10 03:44:42 <|R> (you mean all with nokia !?) Oct 10 03:45:03 1 with my game company, 1 with an another game company... oh yeah... two others with game hardware manufacturers... Oct 10 03:45:10 <|R> haha :) Oct 10 03:45:11 Oh... a 3rd game company.. Oct 10 03:45:15 Shit. Oct 10 03:45:18 you own a game company? Oct 10 03:45:21 No. Oct 10 03:45:37 I just make videogames for a living. Oct 10 03:45:39 are you allowed to say what game company? :p Oct 10 03:45:51 An offshoot of Ubisoft. Oct 10 03:45:52 <|R> haha :) Oct 10 03:46:03 do you contact Ubisoft ever? Oct 10 03:46:10 Game company B is Criterion Games/EA. Oct 10 03:46:19 Game company C is Media Molecule. Oct 10 03:46:34 (B and C share a pub in Guildford. lol) Oct 10 03:46:35 never heard of C Oct 10 03:46:42 dont know for A, since u didnt say the name of the offshoot :) Oct 10 03:46:50 Xisdibik: Makers of LittleBigPlanet on PS3. Oct 10 03:46:59 zerojay, so was there anything you'd wanted to say when you had n900 nda? Oct 10 03:47:00 * Xisdibik doesnt own a PS3 Oct 10 03:47:12 ShadowJK_: Dude... I wanted to say EVERYTHING. Oct 10 03:47:18 like, when were getting ours? D: Oct 10 03:47:20 * |R 's latest console is a SNES :P Oct 10 03:47:25 Xisdibik: I'm in constant contact with Ubi. Oct 10 03:47:36 <|R> well, soon an N900 :P Oct 10 03:47:50 I turned my PS3 into an emulation box. Oct 10 03:47:53 zerojay, but nothing now? Oct 10 03:48:04 ShadowJK_: Most everything's already known now. Oct 10 03:48:37 There's still a few things I can't repeat, but it's generally nothing end users would even want to know. Oct 10 03:48:38 hmpf Oct 10 03:48:58 But if you have questions, fire away. Oct 10 03:49:01 dude we're geeks, of course we want to bloody know Oct 10 03:49:03 <|R> heh, so it's not over! Oct 10 03:49:13 <|R> :) Oct 10 03:49:33 does it use ramswap, does it use standard swapping on emmc? Oct 10 03:49:36 JR: It's over... it's just that we were asked not to talk about certain things... barely even related to the phone itself. Nokia internal practices, stuff like that. Oct 10 03:49:36 zerojay: can you tell them to make a Battle Realms 2 ;D Oct 10 03:49:54 Xisdibik: lol. Oct 10 03:50:25 ShadowJK_: I'm really not sure offhand... I think it's on emmc. Oct 10 03:50:33 yeah that's known Oct 10 03:50:59 But the standard swap algorithms in linux are crap for flash based storage :) Oct 10 03:51:13 I'll take your word for it. Oct 10 03:51:37 All I know is that if it's an issue, I don't notice it. Oct 10 03:51:55 want a stress-test? :-) Oct 10 03:51:59 zerojay: wierd, the wiki for ubisoft has a upcoming game from them as Harvest Moon Online (unknown release date), Ubisoft is making that? Oct 10 03:52:33 Xisdibik: If they are, I didn't know... but the company is large, so... Oct 10 03:52:48 <|R> yeah, huge building on st-laurent/st-viateur! Oct 10 03:52:49 <|R> hehe Oct 10 03:52:51 I don't generally get involved in Ubisoft's console releases.. just my own part of the company. Oct 10 03:52:56 zerojay: lucky your not working on it :) Oct 10 03:53:09 I've paid my dues. I worked on worse. Oct 10 03:53:12 zerojay: your life would be hanging on it being a good game when i baught it ;) Oct 10 03:53:20 JR: I'm in Quebec City, actually. :) Oct 10 03:53:27 lol. Oct 10 03:53:29 <|R> zerojay : yeah i know hehe Oct 10 03:53:34 <|R> but the Mtl building is huge Oct 10 03:54:00 I still remember when they were mainly using the loft near Guy-Concordia metro. Oct 10 03:54:16 And a few floors below their loft was a computer place selling modchips. lol Oct 10 03:54:20 <|R> wow, never heard of that, must have been a while ago :) Oct 10 03:54:26 <|R> haha :) Oct 10 03:54:28 Long time ago now. Oct 10 03:54:36 10 years.. maybe more. Oct 10 03:55:00 <|R> i got to vote 10 years ago so i'm guessing you're older than me ;) Oct 10 03:55:11 I think it's the first or second stop when taking the 51 from Guy metro... Oct 10 03:55:18 Major street, can't remember the name. Oct 10 03:55:24 I'm 30. Oct 10 03:55:27 <|R> maisonneuve? Oct 10 03:55:32 Might be it. Oct 10 03:56:12 <|R> or sherbrooke rather Oct 10 03:56:14 <|R> anyway :) Oct 10 03:57:20 i just read up on the n900 for the first time, looks awsome Oct 10 03:57:50 JR: I seem to remember it being here: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=103763259662194171141.00000111aa90f182b4567&hl=en&sll=45.545447,-73.639076&sspn=0.25034,0.512238&ie=UTF8&ll=45.496526,-73.581727&spn=0,359.986063&z=17&layer=c&cbll=45.496538,-73.581848&panoid=ws82QnouFAM6UKAK3CxhbA&cbp=12,340.81,,0,2.85 Oct 10 03:57:56 One of those two buildings. Oct 10 03:58:31 <|R> yeah ok :) Oct 10 04:00:16 And I work at... Oct 10 04:00:18 http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=390+charest+est.+quebec,+quebec&sll=45.496526,-73.582306&sspn=0.00561,0.013937&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=390+Boulevard+Charest+Est,+Quebec,+Communaut%A9-Urbaine-de-Qu%A9bec,+Quebec,+Canada&ll=46.813439,-71.224687&spn=0.010955,0.027874&z=16&layer=c&cbll=46.813482,-71.224586&panoid=c_9pNelbj5DmOlC5Z5KhmQ&cbp=12,338.14,,0,-29.78 Oct 10 04:00:23 6th floor. Oct 10 04:01:01 <|R> hehe nice! Oct 10 04:01:11 <|R> have you found any major fuck up in street view this week in qc.qc ? :) Oct 10 04:01:32 No... I haven't really looked around it too much yet. Oct 10 04:01:40 is maemo doesn still Oct 10 04:01:54 http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009 Oct 10 04:01:58 meep, broken, down. Oct 10 04:01:58 rawr. Oct 10 04:02:18 <|R> yeah Oct 10 04:02:23 <|R> server is on fire Oct 10 04:02:26 <|R> (or something ;) Oct 10 04:02:31 |R, did you light it on fire? Oct 10 04:02:48 The pics of Quebec aren't that old. Maybe 2 or 3 months. The Beenox/Activision building just down the street isn't finished yet in the pics. Oct 10 04:02:49 http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=390+charest+est.+quebec,+quebec&sll=45.496526,-73.582306&sspn=0.00561,0.013937&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=390+Boulevard+Charest+Est,+Quebec,+Communaut%A9-Urbaine-de-Qu%A9bec,+Quebec,+Canada&ll=46.813292,-71.225138&spn=0.010955,0.027874&z=16&layer=c&cbll=46.813244,-71.225255&panoid=cIc_2Hfq-of5c9VDtAxU8g&cbp=12,192.3,,0,-27.77 Oct 10 04:02:49 <|R> Nah, i only do that on april 1st Oct 10 04:03:17 <|R> i montreal they've spread it over a very long period i think Oct 10 04:03:27 <|R> from last autumn to this year's spring Oct 10 04:04:57 zerojay, Did your team do any work on any of the splinter cell games Oct 10 04:05:14 Sargun: Oct 10 04:05:15 Er. Oct 10 04:05:16 <|R> i think that's in Montreal, i know someone who was working on SC 5 Oct 10 04:05:17 No. Oct 10 04:05:54 Closest I've been to working on Ubisoft labeled projects was receiving the Assassin's Creed 2 script a few months ago. Oct 10 04:06:08 Right while I was playing through AC1 at home. Oct 10 04:06:21 <|R> ruined the whole thing haha ;) Oct 10 04:06:26 I yelled "gee, thanks for ruining the entire series for me!" at my boss. lol Oct 10 04:06:33 <|R> haha :) Oct 10 04:07:22 haha Oct 10 04:08:04 <|R> I think everyone is off to Amsterdam and partying as the forum seems to actually be slowing down during the conference... Oct 10 04:08:29 <|R> It'll hopefully explode with news on sunday evening/monday Oct 10 04:08:34 <|R> (long weekend in .ca, yeah! ;) Oct 10 04:08:52 Finally. Oct 10 04:09:23 Finally? Oct 10 04:09:47 Yeah. Time off is a very good thing. Oct 10 04:09:58 Even if you're making videogames. Oct 10 04:10:16 Scratch that. Oct 10 04:10:22 ESPECIALLY if you're making videogames. Oct 10 04:10:26 <|R> :] Oct 10 04:10:58 Well boys Oct 10 04:11:11 How sexist. Oct 10 04:11:13 Im walking to make a visit to an n900 Oct 10 04:11:16 lol. Oct 10 04:11:21 Im so excited Oct 10 04:11:22 Where at? Oct 10 04:11:25 And girls Oct 10 04:11:41 Friend of mine works for nokia Oct 10 04:11:47 Got his unit early Oct 10 04:11:48 iDialekt: there are no girls on IRC Oct 10 04:11:51 I hate you Oct 10 04:11:52 Im so excited Oct 10 04:12:06 You can come over here. Play with my N900... complete with panoramic classic gaming wallpapers. :D Oct 10 04:12:08 I don't even know how im gonna react Oct 10 04:12:17 <|R> haha Oct 10 04:12:28 <|R> zerojay : got any Life Force wall papers? :P Oct 10 04:12:34 But if it's good then I'll sell my iPhone asap and pre order Oct 10 04:12:45 JR: http://n900wallpapers.com/users/zerojay Oct 10 04:12:46 No. Oct 10 04:12:51 But I hear t mobile might be subsidized selling it Oct 10 04:12:55 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/09/t-mobiles-rumored-project-black-handsets/ Oct 10 04:13:17 <|R> hehe didn't see you could show them by user, awesome :) Oct 10 04:13:33 Click on one to see the whole set of four. Oct 10 04:13:54 I'm hoping to have them included in Maemo Extras by the time sales start. Oct 10 04:14:32 Ok guys i report back shortly lol Oct 10 04:15:38 A friend of mine gave me two Skype credit vouchers. Oct 10 04:15:49 For 0.51 EUR each? WTF. Oct 10 04:15:50 <|R> The guy on the forum who posted this site a few days ago did an awesome job too (whoever he is, cheers!) Oct 10 04:16:31 <|R> we should just build an interface to automatically fetch the backgrounds there from the bg setting menu ;) Oct 10 04:16:57 I'm packaging mine as a .deb. Oct 10 04:17:27 http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerojay/3994767226/ Oct 10 04:17:30 Love my icon. :D Oct 10 04:17:39 <|R> haha nice Oct 10 04:18:57 <|R> I just finished contra 3 this afternoon haha ;) Oct 10 04:19:04 <|R> (well ok, game genie style :P) Oct 10 04:19:29 I can still finish Contra 1 with just 3 lives. Oct 10 04:19:43 Glad not all my skills have gone to shit. Oct 10 04:19:50 <|R> hehe, i probably could if i tried more but back in the days my game was Life Force... Oct 10 04:20:04 <|R> which i can finish with 10 more lives than when i start without ever dying! Oct 10 04:20:07 Yeah, Lifeforce was a great game. NES or arcade? Oct 10 04:20:11 <|R> NES Oct 10 04:20:31 NES one's better anyways. Oct 10 04:20:53 <|R> the japanese version is also a bit weird, can't remember why though (youtube videos) Oct 10 04:21:15 Maemo Extras. :shudder: Oct 10 05:20:48 Stupid spacebar scrolls more than one page in MicroB. Oct 10 05:33:01 I hate that shit **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 10 19:46:08 2009 Oct 10 19:46:50 Oh, and happy birthday, qwerty12. :P Oct 10 19:47:15 GAN800: Thank you, once again :p Oct 10 19:47:52 Oh, and happy birthday, qwerty12. :P Oct 10 19:47:59 GAN800: Thank you, once again :p Oct 10 19:48:06 GOdd Oct 10 19:48:12 I didn't say happy birthday earlier, did I? Oct 10 19:48:24 You said "Congrats" Oct 10 19:48:37 Ah, I did, didn't I. Oct 10 19:48:43 Oh, well, 3 is better than 1. :P Oct 10 19:48:47 fuck fuck fuck Oct 10 19:48:50 * GeneralAntilles has oldtimers. Oct 10 19:48:52 lol Oct 10 19:49:00 zerojay_N900, call mall security? Oct 10 19:49:18 ducked into the dog show. Oct 10 19:49:28 he was yelling out questions. Oct 10 19:49:42 how much ram?!? Oct 10 19:50:02 That's so weird. Oct 10 19:50:06 wtf Oct 10 19:50:11 Who the hell follows somebody around a mall asking about specs? Oct 10 19:50:25 phone store dudes i guess. Oct 10 19:50:26 Especially when the specs are on the website. <_< Oct 10 19:50:27 aren't those specs on the site Oct 10 19:50:33 yes! Oct 10 19:50:37 "Hmm, I'll kill him and take his N900 if RAM > 256MB" Oct 10 19:50:48 zerojay_N900, take off your pacman hat. It'll reduce your visibility. :P Oct 10 19:50:49 lol Oct 10 19:50:55 * timeless ends up somewhere expensive for dinner Oct 10 19:50:56 bastard. Oct 10 19:51:11 on a bus going home now. Oct 10 19:51:20 Don't look behind you! Oct 10 19:51:28 Or the window beside you! Oct 10 19:51:29 unless he's the t1000, im safe. Oct 10 19:51:30 close encounters of the nerd kind I suppose Oct 10 19:51:33 timeless: I fear I said this before; Visit "snackbar bird" near the red light district. superb thai food for cheap. Oct 10 19:52:47 oh hey, open link in mauku works now. Oct 10 19:52:48 Does someone know how to align hildon_captions? hildon_caption_set_label_alignment () takes a float. don't get it... Oct 10 19:53:12 btw is there support in xterm to open http links Oct 10 19:53:17 in n900 Oct 10 19:53:24 so i can open links from irssi inside n900 Oct 10 19:53:32 dunno. Oct 10 19:53:45 how sensitive - compared to other devices - is the n810 wifi? Oct 10 19:53:48 in terms of range Oct 10 19:53:50 Ceron^: mh28 has it Oct 10 19:54:00 qwerty12_N810: mh28?? Oct 10 19:54:08 Ceron^: Osso-xterm build Oct 10 19:54:15 isee Oct 10 19:54:27 I'm using a later one because I hacked it a little and needed to test it... Oct 10 19:54:28 Hope someone's porting xrvt-unicode to maemo Oct 10 19:54:30 shouldn't be hard. Oct 10 19:54:34 what do we have? Oct 10 19:54:54 mh25 is the one with 39-9 Oct 10 19:55:11 ok Oct 10 19:55:54 .... is there a timer app on the 900? Oct 10 19:55:58 or am i just blind Oct 10 19:56:17 the clock only seems to have alarms Oct 10 19:56:19 EspadaV8: time cat Oct 10 19:56:20 ;) Oct 10 19:57:14 :( beep not found Oct 10 19:57:41 sleep( 60 ) ; beep Oct 10 19:57:41 i wanna time cat. Oct 10 19:58:19 meow Oct 10 19:59:10 * qwerty12_N810 calls the (R)SPCA, cats shouldn't be in #maemo. What sort of abuse is this?! Oct 10 20:00:52 why are people's connections timing out? ... Oct 10 20:01:37 It was due to GeneralAntilles being a cat Oct 10 20:02:33 catastrophic, that Oct 10 20:03:25 but yeah a fast entry timer ui would be nice Oct 10 20:03:36 * sp3000 only has things on the back of an envelope ;) Oct 10 20:03:37 Applet? Oct 10 20:03:46 Somebody go poke fiferboy. Oct 10 20:05:29 woo Oct 10 20:05:35 it sends messages now :-) Oct 10 20:05:43 and now, time to cook the lamb chops Oct 10 20:12:21 http://stuff.moritzg.ch/maemocreds.png I find the checkbox looks a bit weird. any ideas on how to do this more nicely? Oct 10 20:16:09 Shapeshifter: HILDON_SIZE_FINGER_HEIGHT, IMHO, looks better for a checkbox: http://qwerty12.qole.org/Screenshot-20091010-211402.png Oct 10 20:17:32 qwerty12_N810: ah yes, it does. thanks. Oct 10 20:18:07 Shapeshifter: what you coding? Oct 10 20:18:53 ooh, xchat :D Oct 10 20:19:18 moo Oct 10 20:19:19 EspadaV8: just a small tool which members of our club can use to open the door and do stuff in our student lounge. we have everything wired up ;) http://stuff.moritzg.ch/maemolounge3.png Oct 10 20:19:25 happy birthday qwerty12_N810 Oct 10 20:19:43 Thanks, Stskeeps :) Oct 10 20:21:37 Shapeshifter: oooh Oct 10 20:21:41 looks cool Oct 10 20:22:54 http://www.flickr.com/photos/43171128@N07/3998353471/ Oct 10 20:22:56 :-) Oct 10 20:23:18 the splitter widgets in Qt on maemo don't work too well :( Oct 10 20:23:20 EspadaV8: it tells me to log in. I don't have a flicker account. Oct 10 20:23:29 oh wait, I have a yahoo id... Oct 10 20:23:34 grrr Oct 10 20:23:35 one sec Oct 10 20:23:40 i thought i set them all to public Oct 10 20:24:01 try again Shapeshifter Oct 10 20:24:48 thanks. looks nice. I guess it would be useful if it was possible to toggle the display of the two things to the right and left Oct 10 20:24:58 so that only the chat is visible at most times Oct 10 20:25:31 yeah Oct 10 20:25:38 they're meant to be resizable Oct 10 20:25:44 to you can hide them if you like Oct 10 20:26:16 only it doesn't work too reliably :( Oct 10 20:26:39 i'll add a 'proper' setting for it so you can disable them completely Oct 10 20:30:14 gah, syntax errors an miss-spelling in the example code on http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide is giving me a headache XP Oct 10 20:41:58 how can I move the windows on the n800? Oct 10 20:41:58 I modified some files for some time but can not remember which, I want the NON-modal windows. Oct 10 20:50:33 hi Oct 10 20:51:07 hello Oct 10 20:51:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ7LOc3XPb4#t=5m3s oh the irony Oct 10 20:52:01 heh Oct 10 20:52:47 where can I find the control files for packages? Oct 10 20:52:58 I want to package libqt4-4.6 Oct 10 20:54:12 hey, fellow future t-mobile customers, check this out: Oct 10 20:54:14 http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/10/t-mobile-we-probably-lost-all-your-sidekick-data/ Oct 10 20:54:20 cvandondern_: it is in the ./debain directory Oct 10 20:55:01 b-man16: so then I first need to download a deb for the previous version? Oct 10 20:57:12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4eCwZE-RMA Oct 10 20:57:19 If I use a GtkDialog, I don't understand how to pass the response id in a callback. E.g. I do this: g_signal_connect (creds_dialog, "response", G_CALLBACK (do_something_depending_on_response_id), NULL); Oct 10 20:57:35 cvandondern_: if you want to build the package, i highly suggest downloading the source (tar.gz) and install dpkg-dev/use dpkg-buildpackage to build the package ;) Oct 10 20:57:42 how do I pass the response id to the callback? well, in DATA, but how do I get it from the signal? Oct 10 20:57:57 and use dch-i to update the changelog Oct 10 20:58:25 b-man16: it is still compiling... but will it then automatically create all the different sub-packages? Oct 10 20:58:33 or do I have to do all of that manually Oct 10 20:59:39 cvandondern_: it should Oct 10 21:01:14 Shapeshifter: Looking at http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkDialog.html#gtk-dialog-response, that should be passed for you automatically Oct 10 21:01:52 I see. thanks. Oct 10 21:03:04 Is there some document describing the limitations of the maemo platform (i.e. automatically accepting calls, playing sounds inside of calls, replacing system components, ...)? Oct 10 21:22:46 God god Ovi Maps is completely and utterly useless. Oct 10 21:23:06 why? Oct 10 21:23:45 GAN800++ Oct 10 21:23:58 * Firebird is about to burn a 180mb image onto a 4.7GB DVD :o Oct 10 21:26:04 At least the Maemo Mapper author has declared his intentions to make a Fremantle version... Oct 10 21:26:17 thank god for that Oct 10 21:26:46 what was the deal again with scratchbox and the DNS? Oct 10 21:27:00 it cannot resolve anything Oct 10 21:28:34 check /scratchbox/etc/resolf.conf Oct 10 21:29:12 Stskeeps: it seems to be the nsswitch, found it Oct 10 21:30:20 aw, not Oct 10 21:30:51 in reolv.conf it has: Oct 10 21:30:52 nameserver 80.79.34.246 Oct 10 21:30:53 has anybody been able to load python widgets to the desktop in fremantle? Oct 10 21:30:54 nameserver 80.79.34.250 Oct 10 21:31:09 zgold_: I believe there's a bug open about that Oct 10 21:31:20 ahhhh ok Oct 10 21:31:34 google seemed to indicate i wasnt alone Oct 10 21:31:51 just toke this photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/xmacex/3999273234/ Oct 10 21:32:08 neighbour doesn't realize his/her data projection leaks out the window Oct 10 21:32:11 do you know if text entry is possible in adesktop widget? Oct 10 21:32:27 it doesn't look large it in photo, bu it is (compare with the windows) xD lol Oct 10 21:32:44 zgold_: No, that's a restriction of a desktop widget I believe Oct 10 21:33:18 everyone will know if he/she si watching p0rn Oct 10 21:33:22 lol Oct 10 21:34:24 it's just a small part of the screen, maybe 1/15 of the screen, but a lol nevertheles Oct 10 21:36:48 qwerty12_N810: tyvm.. you've been most helpful. are yo at the summit? Oct 10 21:37:08 zgold_: Nope :) Oct 10 21:37:43 SpeedEvil, it's like it was ported by a class of 3rd graders. Oct 10 21:37:46 aw ok, ill have to thank you in person next year Oct 10 21:38:07 heh Oct 10 21:38:21 hmm, my DNS still doesn't work, even after switching the nameserver to the one my host also uses.... Oct 10 21:38:30 in the armel target Oct 10 21:39:24 Like Stskeeps said, did you also look at /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf ? Oct 10 21:40:07 qwerty12_N810: yes Oct 10 21:40:15 that was Oct 10 21:40:16 nameserver 80.79.34.246 Oct 10 21:40:18 nameserver 80.79.34.250 Oct 10 21:40:32 and then I changed it to nameserver 192.168.1.1 (what my host has) Oct 10 21:40:38 and it still doesn't work Oct 10 21:40:40 http://pastie.org/649813 the checkbox shows up fine, any clues why hildon_check_button_get_active doesn't return TRUE or FALSE? Oct 10 21:44:39 oh I think I know why... it's a gboolean, not a gboolean* Oct 10 21:45:28 that's a bother. Oct 10 21:45:49 yet another signal for something trivial. Oct 10 21:45:50 -.- Oct 10 21:46:01 uh? Oct 10 21:46:48 well with text entries I can simply do: creds->username = gtk_entry_get_text(username_field); and later do g_signal_connect (creds_dialog, "response", G_CALLBACK (process_creds), creds); and when the signal gets emited "process_creds" receives the pointer to the content of the field and everything is nice Oct 10 21:46:59 but I can't just do creds->save = hildon_check_button_get_active(save_password_checkbox); like the others Oct 10 21:47:16 because it's not a pointer and now I have to make a function for the "toggled" signal to switch creds->save Oct 10 21:48:11 O.o Oct 10 21:48:21 Shapeshifter: you shouldn't do that. Oct 10 21:48:31 javispedro: what should I do? Oct 10 21:48:50 the pointer returned by gtk_entry_get_text may get invalid whenever gtk wants. Oct 10 21:48:58 javispedro: why? Oct 10 21:49:09 because gtk may realloc it, for example. Oct 10 21:49:11 it's in a dialog Oct 10 21:49:30 if the user decides to write 1000 chars between you getting the pointer and the user clicking OK -> crash. Oct 10 21:49:31 and if the user clicks "proceed" I'm checking if the two entry fields are empty and if not I save them somewhere Oct 10 21:49:39 a. Oct 10 21:49:39 huh Oct 10 21:49:51 but that is insane... what should I do then? Oct 10 21:50:01 I mean, I need to access the content of the fields somehow >.> Oct 10 21:50:06 and pass them on to a callback Oct 10 21:50:50 mhh Oct 10 21:50:50 how are you calling the dialog? gtk_dialog_run? Oct 10 21:50:55 I'll just pass the dialog Oct 10 21:51:01 or rather, the dialog gets passed anyway Oct 10 21:51:12 gtk_widget_show_all(creds_dialog); Oct 10 21:51:35 mhh. but the dialog doesn't really have the fields as children Oct 10 21:51:42 how complicated. Oct 10 21:52:19 so either you save references to widgets and use them to read dialog controls state, or you connect all "changed" signals and replicate the dialog's controls state. Oct 10 21:52:35 yeah Oct 10 21:57:17 so it doesn't just realloc widgets? Oct 10 21:57:24 but widget content. Oct 10 22:04:53 Google Voice really has trouble with names. Oct 10 22:07:31 Is there some chance to get usb host mode for the n900 (with a software update)? The Openmoko Freerunner also has host mode with a simple mini connector. Oct 10 22:07:48 Unknown. Oct 10 22:07:56 Currently it seems like the answer is no. Oct 10 22:08:03 johnq: roumored to be possible ^^ Oct 10 22:08:04 But that may be more short answer = no. Oct 10 22:08:05 johnq: It seems logical that it is plausible with a cable. Oct 10 22:08:17 SpeedEvil, OTG isn't supported. Oct 10 22:08:23 johnq: However - the exact details yes or no have not been revealed. Oct 10 22:08:26 and the USB consortium was evil about things. Oct 10 22:08:35 GeneralAntilles: how so? Oct 10 22:08:45 GeneralAntilles: yes - OTG and 'switch the CPU to host mode, which happens to use the same pins as slave mode' are different things Oct 10 22:09:23 They couldn't get it to play right with USB charging and were planning on releasing an update afterwards, but I think the USB consortium told them to kill any possibility in hardware or they wouldn't certify the device. Oct 10 22:09:28 So, yeah, unknown right now. Oct 10 22:09:59 If you're still talking about the couple of mails that were on the list a while back - I read them as a bit ambiguous. Oct 10 22:10:02 need more data. Oct 10 22:13:24 this makes me not like usb anymore. Oct 10 22:14:05 you liked usb? bah. Oct 10 22:14:12 it's the usual result of the "worse is better" rule. Oct 10 22:15:01 from a user perspective, the only dumb thing about usb was that it's hard to plug em in blindly >.> Oct 10 22:15:08 other then that, "it just works" Oct 10 22:15:29 "almost everywhere" Oct 10 22:15:51 yes, OTG is not so important, host mode with some hardware adaptor would be enough Oct 10 22:15:56 usb you can at least not plug in blindly in the wrong way... I once ruined a fireware controller by plugging in a firewire cable blindly the wrong way around... Oct 10 22:15:57 * timeless waves from ibis Oct 10 22:16:07 * Mek waves back from ibis Oct 10 22:16:35 Mek, how in the world did you manage that? Oct 10 22:16:43 timeless, where'd you end up? Oct 10 22:17:02 just push hard enough? a firewire cable does fitthe wrong way arround if you apply enough forc... Oct 10 22:17:04 Ah, in my room, I see. ;) Oct 10 22:18:18