**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 12 02:59:56 2009 Oct 12 03:20:04 Goodamn Oct 12 03:20:10 damnit Oct 12 03:20:16 does everybody have one of these fuckiung n900s but me? :) Oct 12 03:20:40 i feel like the poor child looking through the resturaunt window Oct 12 03:20:46 Wasn't Nokia supposed to make these legalese bs less irritating. Oct 12 03:20:53 They did. Oct 12 03:21:25 Still annoying though. Oct 12 03:21:29 Macer, IRC has a disproportiate number of unhealthy contributors. Oct 12 03:21:35 Macer, IRC has a disproportiate number of unhealthy contributors. Oct 12 03:21:39 Check the box. Oct 12 03:21:42 huh? :) Oct 12 03:21:51 that damn irc! Oct 12 03:22:06 unhealthy? Oct 12 03:22:13 Somebody needs to tell them that users just ignore warnings they see OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN Oct 12 03:22:31 warnings Oct 12 03:22:39 like "do not pirate this music" Oct 12 03:22:40 :) Oct 12 03:22:42 zerojay, i.e., way too much time spent on a hobby. :D Oct 12 03:22:54 Oh.. lol. Oct 12 03:22:56 No doubt. Oct 12 03:23:18 i'm still watching this disgusting andromeda season Oct 12 03:23:19 :) Oct 12 03:23:28 Apple only shows that when you enable sharing the first time. Oct 12 03:23:36 i think i'd still rather impregnate trance than romie Oct 12 03:23:42 Nokia throws it in your face. Oct 12 03:23:48 GAN900: at least maemo 5 is probably pretty nice Oct 12 03:23:53 It is. Oct 12 03:24:00 compared to this touchbook os Oct 12 03:24:04 * zerojay twists the knife. ;) Oct 12 03:24:21 The sad part? Nokia's software is usually the stuff that's dangerously broken. Oct 12 03:24:44 i don't know.. maemo4 was pretty good Oct 12 03:25:18 Maemo 5 is better in most respects. Oct 12 03:27:12 it uses qt Oct 12 03:27:18 that alone makes it better ;) Oct 12 03:27:21 death to gtk Oct 12 03:29:04 Erm Oct 12 03:29:11 No, it uses GTK Oct 12 03:29:19 Harmattan is Q Oct 12 03:29:24 i thought it uses qt Oct 12 03:29:26 wtf? :) Oct 12 03:29:48 and, seriously, are you a programmer? Oct 12 03:30:00 no. but qt is nicer looking :) Oct 12 03:30:23 Erm Oct 12 03:30:40 i don't care what anybody says... qt looks better than gtk based stuff Oct 12 03:30:41 :) Oct 12 03:30:55 Yeah. You, like me, aren't really qualified to judge toolkits. ;) Oct 12 03:31:05 maybe Oct 12 03:31:09 You clearly haven't used Maemo 5. Oct 12 03:31:12 but i can judge how qt based stuff looks nicer Oct 12 03:31:13 haha Oct 12 03:32:21 QT in Maemo isn't going to look like KDE. Oct 12 03:32:47 Themeing doesn't have much to do with the merits of a particularly toolkit. Oct 12 03:33:43 GTK has always looked like complete crap to me. Maemo 5 doesn't... so really... doesn't matter. Oct 12 03:34:20 eh? gtk and qt look exactly the same on maemo Oct 12 03:34:32 I've yet to be impressed by a single Linux toolkit theme. ;) Oct 12 03:34:39 zerojay, gtk is intended to look like crap and be boring Oct 12 03:34:43 in fact, its a feature Oct 12 03:34:59 haha Oct 12 03:35:13 One of the few features it has. Heh. Oct 12 03:35:28 no. i'm sure it is an old feature :) Oct 12 03:35:40 If I were a GTK developer, I think I would be tearing my hair out. Oct 12 03:35:48 Shit in GTK just changes far too often. Oct 12 03:35:56 They dump major libraries all the time. Oct 12 03:36:22 Just to replace them for the next major revision... just to dump them again the next time. Oct 12 03:36:30 It's a moving target. Oct 12 03:37:10 Well, at least it isn't boring. :P Oct 12 03:37:37 Maybe not for the developers. Oct 12 03:37:49 For users.. it's the bible. lol Oct 12 03:44:14 Bleh, a little piece of me dies inside every time Andre says he's forwarding a bug. :(( Oct 12 03:47:45 haha Oct 12 03:49:25 hello everyone Oct 12 03:51:21 I need to make installation package of software with input parameter for N900 . Is there anybody who can help me regarding this Oct 12 03:52:28 samad, it goes against recommendations, is there any way you could get it at first start? Oct 12 03:54:58 GAN900 , ok i am starting and will knock u if any problem Oct 12 04:50:07 reMoo all Oct 12 05:21:45 I need to make installation package of software with input parameter for N900 . Is there anybody who can help me regarding this Oct 12 05:24:03 GAN900, I didn't find how to start regarding this Oct 12 07:21:55 morn Oct 12 07:22:41 mornin o/ Oct 12 07:22:56 god i shut down my computer during the night and now its freezing in here, last time im doing that :p Oct 12 07:26:37 hehe Oct 12 07:29:55 computer and heat transfer Oct 12 07:29:57 :) Oct 12 07:31:07 people should make entire houses out of computers Oct 12 07:31:08 haha Oct 12 07:31:52 * rmt_ grumbles as he has issues getting EFL/Elementary compiled and working properly.. Oct 12 07:45:40 morning Oct 12 07:45:45 Morning, all Oct 12 07:45:52 morning Oct 12 07:46:17 morn Oct 12 07:51:10 morning Oct 12 07:52:46 hello Oct 12 07:53:22 if someone here has access to a N900 device Oct 12 07:53:22 I would really like to know if it is possible to switch phone lines for outgoing calls (Alternate Line Service - ALS) Oct 12 07:53:32 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_line_service Oct 12 07:53:39 two voice lines Oct 12 07:53:42 two bills Oct 12 07:53:55 supported by nokia symbian devices Oct 12 07:54:00 but on the n900? Oct 12 07:54:40 haha Oct 12 07:54:48 andromeda is kind of funny now Oct 12 07:54:53 i would *really* need to know... thanks in advance! Oct 12 07:55:30 when rebecca is the matriarch Oct 12 07:56:43 wtf Oct 12 07:56:52 no +t? Oct 12 07:57:00 http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Summit 09 -> http://tinyurl.com/maesum | Oct 12 07:57:02 inte_: that was a bit rude Oct 12 07:57:06 Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/N8x0, use Mer instead Oct 12 07:57:08 ups Oct 12 07:57:11 yeah sorry Oct 12 07:57:15 setting it back Oct 12 07:57:23 mom Oct 12 07:58:20 :-) Oct 12 07:58:30 well but still if anyone has an idea :-) Oct 12 08:06:18 Good morning. Currently I have three respositories activated in my N900: applications, updates and maemo extras. None of them includes the openssh-server. Does anybody know which repository has it? Oct 12 08:08:14 you will have to activate extras-devel but keep in mind this is bleeding edge, even for applications you have already preinstalled Oct 12 08:09:32 Stskeeps: That's ok with me. I need to login into that thing. :-) Oct 12 08:15:39 hehe Oct 12 08:15:46 hello Oct 12 08:16:13 and indeed, goodbye, i'll be back... Oct 12 08:18:21 Stskeeps: I just see that dropbear-server is available as well. It does not seem to generate any private key after installation automatically. Do I really have to do it manually? Oct 12 08:19:01 ah, i would get openssh-server instead Oct 12 08:24:09 Stskeeps: You are right. I thought it is much bigger but it's just ~710kB of openssh-client+server vs. ~200 kB of dropbear. Now it's working. Oct 12 08:25:10 OpenSSH server is in extras-testing Oct 12 08:25:17 So, that's less bleeding edge than extras-devel Oct 12 08:25:36 ah Oct 12 08:26:06 @viee Oct 12 08:26:13 vienna? Oct 12 08:26:28 yes Oct 12 08:26:56 ah Oct 12 08:27:02 you certainly get around in europe Oct 12 08:28:18 spam probably :) http://www.teleca.fi/Home/career/jobs_and_opportunities/Nowrecruiting.aspx?utm_source=Google%20Sivusto&utm_medium=CPC&utm_campaign=Teleca%20Finland%20Oy%20Suomi&utm_content=Google%20Sivusto%20Valitut%20sivustot Oct 12 08:35:21 boarding to HEL Oct 12 08:35:40 it's my connection for returning Oct 12 08:35:43 trance is a total bitch towards the end of andromeda Oct 12 08:35:47 low battery :) Oct 12 08:35:49 prepare for some snow :) Oct 12 08:36:07 i'm wearing a winter jacket Oct 12 08:36:11 don't say that Oct 12 08:36:12 :) Oct 12 08:36:15 snow sucks Oct 12 08:36:30 i have on fluffy pants and my carry on has waterproof overpants Oct 12 08:36:37 Macer: how bad is TB treating you so far? Oct 12 08:36:40 when i was in the Marines i had to go to cold weather training and everybody told me that i am from chicago and should be used to it Oct 12 08:36:54 and i told them they had a misunderstand of what people do during cold weather Oct 12 08:37:01 Stskeeps: it's working Oct 12 08:37:05 low battery :) Oct 12 08:37:07 after patching the damn network manager :) Oct 12 08:37:13 hehe Oct 12 08:37:23 the non-multi user thing kind of sucks Oct 12 08:37:31 macer: wear layers Oct 12 08:37:33 i was hoping that i'd be able to run gdm or something Oct 12 08:37:37 timeless: no.. stay inside ;) Oct 12 08:37:39 hahah Oct 12 08:37:43 or stay indoors Oct 12 08:37:47 warm the car up and run to it Oct 12 08:37:55 * timeless nods Oct 12 08:38:09 the people from the southern states were all playing in the snow because they never saw the shit before Oct 12 08:38:10 car warming ports are neat Oct 12 08:38:27 i told them they won't think it's so great later on :) Oct 12 08:38:33 because i simply knew better Oct 12 08:38:34 heh Oct 12 08:38:55 how long did they leave you outside? Oct 12 08:39:00 weeks Oct 12 08:39:02 hahaha Oct 12 08:39:07 it was worse than boot camp :) Oct 12 08:39:34 we were in bridgeport california.. just when i thought california didn't get cold.. wow was i wrong :) Oct 12 08:39:45 heh Oct 12 08:39:46 holy shit it was torture .. but i survived haha Oct 12 08:39:50 Tahoe :) Oct 12 08:40:36 but we were stuck in the mountains for like 3 weeks outside Oct 12 08:40:49 hikinh? Oct 12 08:40:51 a Lt i was with said "We just have to get passed this hill." Oct 12 08:41:00 ayup Oct 12 08:41:00 and it was a fucking mountain Oct 12 08:41:04 heh Oct 12 08:41:05 on skis Oct 12 08:41:07 with skids Oct 12 08:41:19 skids? Oct 12 08:41:20 and i have never used them before Oct 12 08:41:24 timeless: used to go up Oct 12 08:41:29 makes the skis stick Oct 12 08:41:33 ah Oct 12 08:41:46 i've only done downhill once @tahoe Oct 12 08:41:56 they're climbing skins Oct 12 08:42:02 i had friends back east who skiid Oct 12 08:42:13 adeus: yeah.. transversing mountains sucks :) Oct 12 08:42:39 .fi doesn't have moiuntains :) Oct 12 08:42:53 we had to drink snow and shit Oct 12 08:42:59 the cold weather MREs were great tho :) Oct 12 08:43:16 as long as it was white Oct 12 08:43:22 city snow is black Oct 12 08:43:57 it's more of a salted mush Oct 12 08:43:58 hahah Oct 12 08:44:06 Hm, another N900 related question: In the status bar at the top, there is the clock, battery fillfgrade and then Wifi status. Below the Wifi status, there are a 6 small squares, which can be white, grey or black. What do they represent? Oct 12 08:45:33 within the area or outside it? Oct 12 08:46:03 mihu, i don't think that's standard Oct 12 08:46:29 Stskeeps: Within. They appeared after I used fmradio application. The app said it turned on bluetooth. But that is a different symbol and I could turn off bluetooth in the setup. Oct 12 08:46:41 not sure Oct 12 08:47:21 Stskeeps: Nowthe topmost left small square is blinking red. ;-) Oct 12 08:47:35 ctrl-shift-p and publish screenshot? Oct 12 08:47:55 It's gonna blow! Run! Oct 12 08:48:07 it's not the load applet? (which would be unrelated to usingthe fmradio application...) Oct 12 08:48:33 boarded Oct 12 08:48:39 have a good flight timeless Oct 12 08:48:49 thanks Oct 12 08:48:56 safe journies all Oct 12 08:49:12 Wave Oct 12 08:49:56 sounds like the load applet Oct 12 08:50:10 iirc it shows cpu and memory Oct 12 08:50:19 WTF? https://garage.maemo.org/projects/pys60/ "Python for S60" on garage.maemo.org? Oct 12 08:50:29 haha Oct 12 08:50:34 jaffa: mentioned earlier Oct 12 08:50:34 Jaffa: old Oct 12 08:50:43 we kinda liked that Oct 12 08:50:44 it's been there since a year or so Oct 12 08:50:52 a sign that garage hosting works Oct 12 08:51:07 Mek: You are the man. It's the load applet. Totally forgot that I installed it as well. *facepalm* Oct 12 08:51:31 * Jaffa has looked at garage's front page for the first time in ages (registering new project) Oct 12 08:52:17 how are people finding the n900's battery? Oct 12 08:52:45 * RST38h moos evilly Oct 12 08:52:45 ccooke: Terrible! Oct 12 08:53:06 Jaffa: Wait until they putS60 MIDp framework there =) Oct 12 08:53:19 no more than 2-3 hours browsing with only the browser open. I can't go a full day without a charge and thats with pretty light usage Oct 12 08:53:19 it's great seeing the physical losses by strung out actors Oct 12 08:53:59 Jamie: Known problem =) Oct 12 08:54:03 season by season they are more and more jacked up :) Oct 12 08:54:10 BTW, where can I download powertop for fremantle? Oct 12 08:54:12 or wrote out Oct 12 08:54:18 RST38h: it was already installed on mine... Oct 12 08:54:21 RST38h: Is there a bug for this? Oct 12 08:54:33 Jamie: No, should there be? Oct 12 08:54:35 RST38h: that was my next question :-) Oct 12 08:54:40 RST38h: It's built in (in 41-10, at least) Oct 12 08:54:50 Jaffa: Ah really? =) Oct 12 08:54:53 * RST38h goes to check it out Oct 12 08:55:05 RST38h: It's only on root's path, so "sudo gainroot", and just type "powertop" Oct 12 08:55:16 RST38h: Terrible battery should have a bug :) Oct 12 08:55:23 Nope, no powertop here Oct 12 08:55:25 RST38h: so did you end up on business class? Oct 12 08:55:32 Jaffa: Understood. Thanks! Oct 12 08:55:47 Sts: Of course not, I was watching the KOffice presentation =) Oct 12 08:56:45 oh, thatms nice Oct 12 08:56:47 Sts: Pretty much decided what I will do on business part: will wait for Ovi store, then try to submit a free app there first Oct 12 08:57:31 Sts: If I can't, will scrap the Ovi store idea and just sell through a web site (if there are enough potential customers of course, else it stays free) Oct 12 08:59:13 you guys familiar with the contact book api? it says that "roster contacts" are associated with master contacts. what does it mean? Oct 12 08:59:20 RST38h: oh, i was talking about your flight :P Oct 12 09:00:05 Sts: Ah, that one...No, it looked and felt exactly the same as the rest of the cabin + I have got a kid jumping all over his seat behind me Oct 12 09:00:14 hehe Oct 12 09:00:21 No idea what that note meant... Oct 12 09:05:25 ensi: Roster contacts are the contacts from an IM account Oct 12 09:05:33 s/IM/VoIP and IM/ Oct 12 09:05:33 Jaffa meant: ensi: Roster contacts are the contacts from an VoIP and IM account Oct 12 09:06:24 Jaffa: so they are attached to which master contact? Oct 12 09:08:10 ensi: They appear inside the master contacts as separate entries unless they are "Merged" from the UI. Oct 12 09:08:15 Once merged, they stay attched. Oct 12 09:08:16 could someone upload gnutar to fremantle extras-devel? Oct 12 09:10:00 zap: Thanks for the fixed Midnight Commander package =) Oct 12 09:10:14 RST38h: no problem :) Oct 12 09:10:50 Jaffa: sorry for being daft.. say i have a a contact that i created "John Doe" with a phone number. where do these roster contacts come into play? Oct 12 09:11:20 your friend John Doe has a gmail account Oct 12 09:11:28 and you add your gmail account to the device Oct 12 09:11:50 it pulls john.doe@gmail.com into addressbook if such a contact exists in googletalk Oct 12 09:12:29 so "John Doe" is the master contact and "john.doe@gmail.com" would be the associated roster contact? Oct 12 09:13:53 ensi: If you add your Gtalk account under "VoIP and IM accounts" you may have a "john.doe@gmail.com" record show up as a roster contact. I believe there is no automatic merging. They will have different fields between the two contacts (e.g. the first may be "First name", "Last name" and "Email"; the latter "Google Talk IM", "Google Talk Call" and "Nickname") Oct 12 09:14:11 ensi: They'll show up separately in Contacts but then you can open either one and select "Merge with contact" Oct 12 09:16:42 hmm, ok so why do those roster contacts need to be associated with a master contact? The master contact in this case is a "temporary master contact" then? Oct 12 09:19:49 ensi: I don't know. Oct 12 09:20:13 ensi: I thought that "master contacts" was the merged view of Evolution contacts, SIM contacts and IM contacts. Oct 12 09:20:29 guys, whoever was in the extending hildon desktop bof that told me about setting the rgba colormap Oct 12 09:20:34 you are my hero for today Oct 12 09:22:41 Jaffa: ok Oct 12 09:22:44 Jaffa: thanks a bunch! Oct 12 09:23:01 hmm, what was that UK company that subsisided the N900? Oct 12 09:23:03 ensi: This is my understanding. I'm not an expert. Just been looking at the docs/#maesum talks as part of Hermes Oct 12 09:23:17 Stskeeps: mobiles direct (IIRC) was the one who had T-Mobile & Vodafone pre-orders Oct 12 09:23:17 Jaffa: well its certainly more than my understanding Oct 12 09:23:35 Jaffa: one more question if you may? Oct 12 09:24:05 well actually Oct 12 09:24:06 never mind Oct 12 09:24:09 thanks Oct 12 09:24:22 for anyone that is in any doubt about the n900, i have now used it for 3 1/2 days as my primary phone and can't look back Oct 12 09:28:08 zaheerm, I think you're preaching the converted here :) Oct 12 09:28:22 never going back ;) Oct 12 09:28:32 once you hack you cant go back Oct 12 09:28:43 sulx, that is my biggest worry Oct 12 09:32:44 Must admit that I'm considering popping the sim from my n900 back into my iphone :( Oct 12 09:32:54 ! Oct 12 09:33:01 infidel Oct 12 09:34:19 Maybe I just have a bad battery or something but a phone that doesn't last a day with light usage is no good for me. Oct 12 09:34:24 Anyone had success in playing H.264 streams on the N900? I tried samples from the Apple page, but they don't play. Oct 12 09:35:07 For example http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/hd_gallery/gl1800/480p/bbc_earth_m480p.mov Oct 12 09:39:05 heya all Oct 12 09:40:33 JamieBennett, doesn't match my experience. Oct 12 09:41:52 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/10/12oct09_arch5am.jpg Oct 12 09:41:58 heya wazd Oct 12 09:42:07 GeneralAntilles: Charged it overnight for the last 3 nights, light usage (2 or 3 short calls, 1 hour or so browsing, never leave apps open) and its dead by the evening. Oct 12 09:42:16 Jamie: What are you running on the tablet? Oct 12 09:42:33 Nothing normally. ^ Oct 12 09:43:05 Jamie: Is it connected to WiFi? Oct 12 09:43:54 RST38h: Only when browsing, no IM or anything like that and no email checking Oct 12 09:44:16 maybe its just a bad battery, haven't ruled that out until I see an output from powertop Oct 12 09:44:17 Jamie: is the WiFi icon constantly up? Oct 12 09:44:31 JamieBennett: thats like iPhone then Oct 12 09:44:32 RST38h: no Oct 12 09:44:55 sulx: same use case on the iPhone (I have one too) I get 3 days or so Oct 12 09:47:03 Jamie: What status bar and desktop applets are you running? Oct 12 09:47:52 RST38h: No applets apart from the location on that is always turned off. No status bar plugins Oct 12 09:48:25 JamieBennett, impressive you get 3 days on iphone Oct 12 09:48:38 JamieBennett, my mum is a light user, she gets < 1 day Oct 12 09:48:52 Jamie: remove the location applet. check what happens afterwards. Oct 12 09:49:10 Seems strange as others aren't seeing it. I showed Jaffa my battery at the party with a couple of bars of charge, it was dead within an hour. Oct 12 09:49:23 zaheerm: As I said, light usage. Oct 12 09:49:42 you got the prototype with a hunger for power then ;-) Oct 12 09:49:46 :) Oct 12 09:49:56 JamieBennett: rd mode? Oct 12 09:50:21 tigert: How do you switch into RD mode without reflashing? Oct 12 09:50:56 tigert: no RD mode. Oct 12 09:50:59 ./flasher --disable-rd-mode Oct 12 09:51:15 and -enable (to RST38h ) Oct 12 09:51:31 tigert, were the devices in rd mode when nokia gave them to us on friday? Oct 12 09:51:36 * JamieBennett needs powertop Oct 12 09:51:54 We need firmware images so we can reflash. <_< Oct 12 09:51:59 zaheerm: If that is the case them maybe Oct 12 09:52:07 * JamieBennett hasn't changed anything Oct 12 09:52:08 if you see green boot screen text Oct 12 09:52:12 its rdmode Oct 12 09:52:33 tigert: in that case then no, its not in rdmode Oct 12 09:52:37 JamieBennett, isn't powertop bundled? Oct 12 09:52:37 ok Oct 12 09:52:45 GeneralAntilles: no Oct 12 09:52:50 not on this build Oct 12 09:52:50 JamieBennett, seems like this is in the recent scrollback. Oct 12 09:52:59 because rd mode keeps serial console running which eats power Oct 12 09:53:12 HTC Leo Photos: http://mobile-review.com/pda/review/htc-hd2-firstlook.shtml Oct 12 09:53:17 Jaffa: It's only on root's path, so "sudo gainroot", and just type "powertop" Oct 12 09:53:22 plus maybe other stuff Oct 12 09:53:22 JamieBennett, you sure? Oct 12 09:53:24 tigert: Ah, ok =) Oct 12 09:53:46 WinMob. Who cares. Oct 12 09:53:48 ah, need gainroot first Oct 12 09:53:53 you can set/remove rdmode without flashing the device contents Oct 12 09:53:55 got it Oct 12 09:54:01 rootsh Oct 12 09:54:04 its just done with tlasher tool Oct 12 09:55:38 seems its mostly in the C3 state and nothing out of the ordinary is firing off Oct 12 09:55:47 mmm, need to look into it more Oct 12 09:56:23 General: What if it runs Android though? Oct 12 09:56:43 RST38h, Android, WinMob, my apathy level is still about as high as it gets. Oct 12 09:56:57 General: Ok. What if it runs Mer? Oct 12 09:57:22 goodluckwiththat Oct 12 09:57:38 Tell that to Stskeeps =) Oct 12 09:57:55 What's the MSRP? Oct 12 09:58:06 JamieBennett: I noticed that since the browser is so darn fun Oct 12 09:58:12 I keep using it all the time when commuting Oct 12 09:58:16 :) Oct 12 09:58:16 Minimal Suggested Retail Price Oct 12 09:58:24 Or Manufacturer Suggested Retail price Oct 12 09:58:30 now, compare that to my N95 which just mostly sat in my pocket idle Oct 12 09:58:51 tigert: N95 experience sucks (got one of them too) Oct 12 09:58:55 tigert, totally, tho i used to use it on my e71 too Oct 12 09:58:58 (Internet experience) Oct 12 09:59:28 putty is what i use mostly on my n900 Oct 12 09:59:31 so I use this a LOT more than any previous "cellphone" Oct 12 09:59:36 lol Oct 12 09:59:38 thus the drainage is much higher too Oct 12 09:59:47 loli meeen nokia e71 Oct 12 09:59:48 Ceron^: openssh you mean? :) Oct 12 10:00:03 i use my n95 browsing when commuting.. but i assume the n900 is a tad better for that :p Oct 12 10:00:08 * tigert wonders how much an openssh session takes Oct 12 10:00:24 and whether some keepalive config setting could make a difference? Oct 12 10:00:25 battery or kb? Oct 12 10:00:29 battery-wise Oct 12 10:00:38 kb-wise, I dont care (flatrate) Oct 12 10:00:54 il be using mail for exchange and ssh Oct 12 10:01:18 24h/vd Oct 12 10:01:18 7d Oct 12 10:01:18 RST38h, um, yeah, I know what MSRP means . . . what's the number. . . . Oct 12 10:01:55 gan at my company n900 msrp is 450 euros Oct 12 10:02:00 lol Oct 12 10:02:02 without taxes Oct 12 10:02:13 on the HTC Leo Oct 12 10:02:27 oh Oct 12 10:07:00 Why are the profiles settings so limited. . . . Oct 12 10:07:25 I really don't need vibra on clock alarms or IM. Oct 12 10:30:23 GAN900, r u there Oct 12 10:32:46 i have built the installation package using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot Oct 12 10:33:19 but i could not able to give input parameter Oct 12 10:33:44 mean step by step insrallarion Oct 12 10:33:57 or anybody there ? Oct 12 10:39:12 Hello Oct 12 10:40:02 I would like to remove the first two icons from the N810 interface (the "browsing" and the "contacts/email" ones) Oct 12 10:40:54 From what I understand so for I don't think this can be done from the theme but since this is OpenSource I imamgine I could change the code of some component Oct 12 10:41:34 Can anyone help me a little with this? Oct 12 10:43:05 Jaffa:(or someone else) how do i get a full list of contacts? i can get a list of EBookContacts from e_book_get_contacts but I presume these are just EContact objects instead of more detailed OssoAbookContact objects. Oct 12 10:43:06 Basically I want to might want remove the left part of the screen completely to maximise desktop area Oct 12 10:49:11 Bogdanr: This is called full screen mode :) Oct 12 10:49:37 I know but I want to increase the desktop area Oct 12 10:49:57 Can't do. Probably can remove the icons, can't increase the desktop size Oct 12 10:50:27 Since it's possible to recompile stuff I guess that can be done Oct 12 10:50:44 Not everything is open sourced Oct 12 10:50:54 problem is that I don't know which component is this Oct 12 10:51:02 I know some drivers are not OpenSource Oct 12 10:51:29 And even if it were open sourced, I am not sure you are willing to make changes throughout the entire system just ot get extra 60 pixels Oct 12 10:51:57 RST38h: well, this is what I am trying to investigate Oct 12 10:52:20 RST38h: what part handles the right part of the screen? Oct 12 10:52:28 Hildon Desktop Oct 12 10:53:04 Hildon Desktop seem to be handling almost everything Oct 12 10:54:27 well the left side contains the task switcher and other stuff Oct 12 10:55:19 what are you trying to achieve? Oct 12 10:55:49 So, is the sdk supposed to run smoothly? It says with 3d accelleration "activated" - whatever that means, it should be fast. I'm on a GMA945, which does well for simple compositing, and I'm using compiz as the WM, which runs at 60fps. Oct 12 10:56:43 Shapeshifter: SDK is not even guaranteed to run your programs Oct 12 10:56:56 Shapeshift: So, the answer to your question is "no" Oct 12 10:57:29 ah ok. Oct 12 10:59:44 tigert: For starters I would like to get rid of the first two icons Oct 12 11:00:21 tigert: I only need the menu with all the applications Oct 12 11:00:22 I think intel display adapters had problems with some kernel versions Oct 12 11:00:59 in ubuntu intel+jaunty is mainly bad where as intel+karmic seems pretty snappy Oct 12 11:01:53 tigert: Step 2 would be to increase the desktop size with the zise covert by the left side of the UI Oct 12 11:02:30 step1 might work if you remove the desktop menu plugin Oct 12 11:02:38 I dont know the details Oct 12 11:02:45 but you still get the panel on the left side Oct 12 11:02:57 the whole UI is kinda expecting Oct 12 11:03:00 it to be there Oct 12 11:03:10 but _what_ are you trying to do? Oct 12 11:04:05 He is trying to get those pixels. Oct 12 11:04:11 tigert: I am trying to modify the UI to make it more like I need it to be because some things don't make sense to me Oct 12 11:04:25 So, let us wait until he fails and comes back with a more specific goal =) Oct 12 11:05:03 yeah, but _what_ are you trying to do? Oct 12 11:06:19 tigert: I think I want to reclaim some part of the screen to the desktop so i need to know where is the code for that rigt part Oct 12 11:12:25 RST38h: btw, should I port bash to fremantle as well? mc works with bash much better than with ash Oct 12 11:12:48 tigert: Is that part in the right called hildon-navigator ? Oct 12 11:13:44 BogdanR: topright bar is statusbar if I remember correctly Oct 12 11:13:58 left is task navigator or whatever Oct 12 11:14:04 but its way much work trying to rip it off Oct 12 11:14:12 what do you need the space for? Oct 12 11:14:14 a home applet? Oct 12 11:14:29 several applets Oct 12 11:15:04 zap: I guess so: it should not be too much of an effort and a lot of Linux gurus will thank you for that Oct 12 11:15:10 (/me is not one of them though :)) Oct 12 11:15:25 well, using mc without bash is very uncomfortable Oct 12 11:15:57 I mostly use the mc UI, so have not noticed much so far... Oct 12 11:16:18 But that is highly user dependent, so cannot claim anything here Oct 12 11:16:57 Also, I am SSH-ing into the N810 over wireless and it's painfuly unresponsive Oct 12 11:17:10 Any ideea how I can make that behave decently? Oct 12 11:17:36 the SSH server on the N810 is dropbear Oct 12 11:17:53 BogdanR: disable wifi power saving for your AP ? Oct 12 11:18:18 suihkulokki: I'll try that Oct 12 11:20:01 suihkulokki: How do I do that? Oct 12 11:20:28 qwerty12_N810: you can move backwards. you need to tilt the device back a bit though. you can also change the angle with accel_angle Oct 12 11:21:40 @hel Oct 12 11:22:20 BogdanR: something like control panel -> internet connections -> "pick your ap from the list" -> go next until there is "advanced" button -> select the power saving level Oct 12 11:25:26 suihkulokki: Found it. Thatnks. This is way better Oct 12 11:31:24 * RST38h is filing a shitload of bug reports Oct 12 11:36:04 could someone with a n900 try and receive an mms and see what shows up in the ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db? Oct 12 11:36:20 eg if the sms control messages are there or not ;o Oct 12 11:36:51 frals, you can send me an mms if you want, will provide my mobile number in PM Oct 12 11:38:14 * SpeedEvil wonders how many phone-spammers read #maemo Oct 12 11:40:30 frals, that file is binary, what should i look for Oct 12 11:41:47 General: here? Oct 12 11:41:52 if you have access to a desktop, transfer the file there and open it in a sqlitebrowser and see if there is some SMS's there that doesnt show up in the messaging app Oct 12 11:42:42 Anyway, people, please look at the bottom of this list: https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&email1=luarvique%40gmail.com&emailassigned_to1=1&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=exact&field-1-0-0=bug_status&field-1-1-0=assigned_to&field-1-1-1=reporter&query_format=advanced&remaction=&type-1-0-0=anyexact&type-1-1-0=anyexact&type-1-1-1=anyexact&value-1-0-0=UNCONFIRMED%2CNEW%2CASSIGN Oct 12 11:42:52 And vote if you see familiar bugs Oct 12 11:44:32 * timeless needs to teacj rst to shorten bugzilla query urls Oct 12 11:44:45 but only after i get my luggage Oct 12 11:45:06 which decided it didn't want to come in the same way as me Oct 12 11:46:09 frals, nothing yet Oct 12 11:46:45 frals, last entry was a jabber message that was sent...but hey that is a cool file to know about :) Oct 12 11:46:51 :) Oct 12 11:47:37 guess my carrier doesnt like sending MMS to yours as its still not deliviered, got it listed as "Pending" in my phone... just have to wait and see i guess ;) Oct 12 11:48:44 good morning Oct 12 11:48:47 i mean afternoon Oct 12 11:48:52 or something Oct 12 11:49:08 man sending mms is cheap thou, only costs me 0.07€ per MMS even international :p Oct 12 11:49:45 Hello, asimula Oct 12 11:49:52 hi thr Oct 12 11:54:08 * RST38h wonders if he should file any Maps bugs Oct 12 11:54:36 The desire to file the "scrap the whole thing" bug is too great there... Oct 12 11:54:41 ;))) Oct 12 11:54:48 RST38h: "Use Maemo Mapper instead of Ovi Maps" Oct 12 11:55:10 But let us exhale, go "constructive", and start with the long list... Oct 12 11:55:22 Stskeeps: This is what Intel calls a "BKM" Oct 12 11:55:29 Stskeeps: Best Known Method :) Oct 12 11:55:46 * timeless retrieves luggage Oct 12 11:56:34 rst38h: constructive bugs against ovi maps would be nice Oct 12 11:57:16 it's much easier to justify scrapping something if we can point to volumes of polite high quality reports about distinct unfixed issues Oct 12 11:57:39 It can probably be brought to reasonably useful state by 5-6 changes Oct 12 11:57:55 hi all Oct 12 11:57:55 Not to say that it will become perfect, but at least it won't annoy the crap out of people Oct 12 11:58:07 1. move the current location indicator to the title area Oct 12 11:58:13 +1 Oct 12 11:58:15 2. redo zooming Oct 12 11:58:22 Ah, leave the damn zooming Oct 12 11:58:38 Start by making sense of this applications-within-Maps mess Oct 12 11:58:51 * timeless chuckles Oct 12 11:58:56 Make consistent UI with a generic application menu, instead of that switching thing Oct 12 11:59:08 my translation calls them applets or components or something Oct 12 11:59:14 3. Turn of search-as-you-type feature Oct 12 11:59:26 3 should be doable Oct 12 11:59:29 If you believe it works, try it over GPRS Oct 12 11:59:43 :P Oct 12 11:59:45 i've been traveling in eastern europe for 3 weeks Oct 12 11:59:49 it doesn't work Oct 12 11:59:50 heya pupnik Oct 12 11:59:53 well, some timeouts before initiating search Oct 12 12:00:05 hi rst :) Oct 12 12:00:21 tigert: xul has widgets for that :) Oct 12 12:00:37 pupnik == ArnimS? Oct 12 12:00:50 most of the other bugs i c think of are server issues Oct 12 12:01:06 Ah, 4. Explain to people how to preload maps to the device Oct 12 12:01:26 is there some incompatibility with the final sdk and mac os x, nothing really works with the emulated device Oct 12 12:01:42 (use case: foreign country, insane roaming charges, no sane dataplan) Oct 12 12:01:45 there's a X problem i think Oct 12 12:02:05 my assumption was the the standard nokia maps downloader app works Oct 12 12:02:25 rst38h: again, i hit that while traveling Oct 12 12:03:05 i had us maps in ukraine Oct 12 12:03:09 5. optimize on-disk data storage so that it is not that slow Oct 12 12:03:13 i'm getting alot of these glib warnings for clutterx11 failing to get a ximage Oct 12 12:03:13 frals, yah i have had a phonecall, sms and IM since and still nothing in that sqlite db Oct 12 12:03:17 that didn't work well Oct 12 12:03:37 yeah guess my carrier hates your carrier :D Oct 12 12:03:38 (may want to cooperate with ab who needs the same kind of algorithms for image processing) Oct 12 12:04:36 my hope is that their tile handling isn't completely broken Oct 12 12:04:46 so, I guess now I can ask for theme screenshots without making fake passport and meeting somewhere in the Nevada? :D Oct 12 12:05:01 the alg they use to download tiles is broken Oct 12 12:05:11 wazd: i'll start posting stuff somewhere Oct 12 12:05:19 have you seen my shots? Oct 12 12:05:26 timeless: nope Oct 12 12:07:40 Can "Send wazd an N900 already" be filed as a bug? Oct 12 12:08:04 so Oct 12 12:08:18 RST38h: it's not a bug, it's a feature :D Oct 12 12:08:22 there still aren't any real devices Oct 12 12:08:30 as far as i know Oct 12 12:08:38 wazd: Well, it is quickly becoming a bug, because you are doing artwork for Maemo5 projects Oct 12 12:08:52 once there are real sales boxes, it's much easier to manage Oct 12 12:09:06 And it is kinda fdifficult to do that without the real thing Oct 12 12:09:36 RST38h: well, I've managed to run SDK :) Oct 12 12:09:39 wazd: speaking of which, i need art :) Oct 12 12:09:53 got a picture for me? :) Oct 12 12:10:11 timeless: yeah, I'm looking for ready flag icons right now Oct 12 12:10:17 yes rst38h Oct 12 12:11:17 thanks Oct 12 12:12:55 timeless: http://mintywhite.com/customize/icons/free-world-flag-icon-packs-for-windows/ Oct 12 12:13:05 timeless: I think these will be just fine Oct 12 12:13:22 pupnik: ! Oct 12 12:13:33 * RST38h puts a face on pupnik Oct 12 12:14:08 * SpeedEvil imagines RST38h walking around with a big bag of cartoon masks. Oct 12 12:14:32 oh! Oct 12 12:14:41 Guy Fawkes masks indeed Oct 12 12:14:50 I can download theme .deb with SDK and install it! :D Oct 12 12:14:55 * frals takes a picture of pupnik and tries to MMS it ;-) Oct 12 12:17:04 looking Oct 12 12:17:15 damn, I'm a genius :D Oct 12 12:17:54 RST38h: can you send me latest .deb please? Oct 12 12:18:07 wazd: it would be slightly weird if a deb didnt work in the SDK ;) Oct 12 12:18:17 http://img.mywindowspc.com/wg/0806/22worldflagicons/world-flags-north-america.jpg looks good Oct 12 12:18:27 timeless: yep Oct 12 12:18:39 timeless: and they're highres Oct 12 12:18:47 wazd: I do not have it here at work =( Oct 12 12:19:44 the links don't work from microb Oct 12 12:20:10 RST38h: ah, k :) Oct 12 12:20:11 http://-kol.deviantart.com/art/North-America-Win-19256307 Oct 12 12:20:34 Address Not Found Oct 12 12:21:00 Damn, I always get segfault when using microb in sdk Oct 12 12:21:11 Anyone who does not like the current accelerometer API, please vote for this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5329 Oct 12 12:21:15 very interesting question: how can I submit a bug about hardware design of N900 in bugs.maemo.org :P ? Oct 12 12:21:45 Andy80: and the reply would be "FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!111" :D Oct 12 12:21:53 Andy80: I would go with Brainstorm Oct 12 12:22:04 timeless: I can send you the archive to email Oct 12 12:22:17 wazd: what? Oct 12 12:23:14 seriously... if I have some feedback about design of the product... where can I submit it to be sure it's read by them? Oct 12 12:23:32 maemo.org? ;p Oct 12 12:23:34 Andy80: Have you been to the summit? Oct 12 12:23:34 Andy80: do you really expect it to be fixed? Oct 12 12:23:49 RST38h: yes, I was at the Summit, why? Oct 12 12:24:02 wazd: well.... at least in the next device :) Oct 12 12:24:06 um Oct 12 12:24:11 Andy80: Your best chance was to talk to Nokia people there and bring as many of them as possible to your side Oct 12 12:24:16 you have unreasonable expectations Oct 12 12:24:24 Andy80: next device can be anything Oct 12 12:24:31 Andy80: Outside of this possibility, the next best choice seems to be Brainstorm Oct 12 12:24:47 hardware feedback today is unlikely to influence any hypothetical devices that might be "next" Oct 12 12:24:57 out of curiousity, whats the feedback? :) Oct 12 12:24:59 you probably mssed the boat by a year Oct 12 12:25:01 Andy80: And the third best choice will be bitching on t.m.o :) Oct 12 12:25:04 ok... but I don't want some stupid things like "very hard to open battery cover" Oct 12 12:25:04 As tehy are probably already largey designed. Oct 12 12:25:18 timeless: http://s58.radikal.ru/i161/0910/02/c88928c3464d.png Oct 12 12:25:22 * timeless chuckles Oct 12 12:25:23 Andy80: What DO you want? Oct 12 12:25:24 or something like "hole for the hand-cord on the wrong side" :P Oct 12 12:25:46 Actually, this reminds me... Oct 12 12:25:51 yum Oct 12 12:25:58 thanks Oct 12 12:26:04 * RST38h files a bug for 180o and 270o rotation support Oct 12 12:26:06 timeless: nom-nom-nom :D Oct 12 12:26:24 i don't suppose you could downsample for the correct sizes for ham/control panel? Oct 12 12:26:39 timeless: tell me what are they Oct 12 12:27:00 * timeless doesn't want to figure out that info :) Oct 12 12:27:09 ensi: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Generic_Platform_Components/Using_Address_Book_API Oct 12 12:27:12 sorry, dunno,i bet others here do Oct 12 12:27:35 the even better question is: do they really want real feedback/bugreports or not? Oct 12 12:27:37 jaffa: what's the ham .deb icon size? Oct 12 12:27:52 andy80: real software bugs, yes please Oct 12 12:27:52 Jaffa: hi :) Oct 12 12:28:36 timeless: bad UI or design is more than a bug for me ;) (not in general... but in some cases) Oct 12 12:28:44 hardware reports are mostly going to duplicate feedback the maemo software team had nowhere to deliver when *we+ got the hardware Oct 12 12:29:24 andy80: pastebin a sample report Oct 12 12:29:33 i'll read it once i get to work Oct 12 12:30:00 but first it's vaguely snowing and i need to drag my bag home from the railway station Oct 12 12:30:04 timeless: my hardware issues I'd like to submit have nothing related with software bugs Oct 12 12:30:04 the back cover is a pain to open but better than not being able to change your battery ala iphone and its easier to open than a g1 Oct 12 12:30:33 don't bother w/ hardware issues Oct 12 12:30:41 Andy80, publish them somewhere Oct 12 12:30:45 we can't do anything Oct 12 12:30:59 and as i said, we probably already complained Oct 12 12:31:00 Andy80: hiya :) Oct 12 12:31:08 but had no one to listen Oct 12 12:32:23 any1 ported the google calendar eds plugin to maemo yet? Oct 12 12:32:29 timeless: lucky bastard to have snow already! Oct 12 12:32:46 * timeless has yet to meet a hardware designer at nokia Oct 12 12:32:52 it's snowing :( :(:( Oct 12 12:33:02 raining here. Oct 12 12:33:15 better be snowing than raining. Oct 12 12:33:18 i want snow :< just windy and cold here really Oct 12 12:33:36 you can have our snow Oct 12 12:33:46 the precipitate downtown seems to be closer to rain Oct 12 12:33:57 timeless u're back in helsinki? Oct 12 12:33:58 but at the airport it was definitely snow Oct 12 12:34:08 sure, send it over to stockholm on the next ship ;) Oct 12 12:34:13 on the finnair bus a min from the railway center Oct 12 12:34:16 yea, bring it on Oct 12 12:34:28 i got sick in amsterdam Oct 12 12:34:33 i couldn't go to work today cause i'm ill, sucks Oct 12 12:34:34 :( Oct 12 12:34:49 and for the nice information, i barfed about 30 mins ago and feel better Oct 12 12:34:55 i wonder if it's all those sandwiches i ate at hte summit Oct 12 12:35:20 i blame the blue drinks Oct 12 12:35:20 heh Oct 12 12:35:20 blue? Oct 12 12:35:29 Jaffa: yeah i know that document but its not very comprehensive imho Oct 12 12:35:35 skype cocktails Oct 12 12:35:36 /me has been unwell for over a month Oct 12 12:35:38 aSIMULAter: food + taking cold at your stomach Oct 12 12:35:43 * timeless sighs Oct 12 12:35:53 ensi: There are examples of getting all the contacts rather than just the main address book in there IIRC Oct 12 12:36:01 Stskeeps: Wasn't it windshield washing liquid? Oct 12 12:36:03 ensi: However, for my purposes, I'm only interested in the main db Oct 12 12:36:07 It was foul. Oct 12 12:36:19 * Jaffa isn't usually a picky drinker, but couldn't finish it. Oct 12 12:36:20 anyway.. gotta hop off Oct 12 12:36:32 aSIMULAter: be glad its not the swine flu, it had me down for a week in bed :p Oct 12 12:36:43 did they give you tamiflu for it? Oct 12 12:36:57 frals: Have you been to the summit? Oct 12 12:37:05 negative Oct 12 12:37:12 Eh... Oct 12 12:37:30 Would be fun otherwise =) Oct 12 12:37:38 hehe Oct 12 12:41:14 Hi Oct 12 12:41:28 Which should I buy, the n810 or the n800? Oct 12 12:41:42 n900 ;) Oct 12 12:41:50 iphone Oct 12 12:41:52 * ensi runs Oct 12 12:41:54 (; Oct 12 12:41:56 too expensive lol Oct 12 12:42:09 ensi - got an ipod touch, it sucks Oct 12 12:42:14 don't want to bother with an iphone Oct 12 12:42:18 N810 then...if you want gps+keyb Oct 12 12:42:26 don't need gps Oct 12 12:42:31 and I heard the keyboard isn't all that great Oct 12 12:42:44 Can you change the keyboard on the n800? Oct 12 12:42:51 Like to Japanes or Chinese? Oct 12 12:42:59 no keyboard on N800...just virtual Oct 12 12:43:02 Yes Oct 12 12:43:09 Can you change the virtual keyboard to an international language? Oct 12 12:43:15 o/ Oct 12 12:43:15 Buy yourself an HTC Leo =) Oct 12 12:43:20 Then suffer. Oct 12 12:43:33 Anyone else having issues synching gmail through ActiveSync? Oct 12 12:43:42 does anyone know if Nokia are going to put videos of the sessions of the summit online? Oct 12 12:43:50 I can't get my GMail account to work via Exchange... and I want the contacts! Oct 12 12:43:53 yes they're Oct 12 12:44:14 anyoen who went to the summit..do you like the device? Oct 12 12:44:23 cool Oct 12 12:45:00 aSIMULAter: Yes. Was that a rhetorical question though? Oct 12 12:46:21 RST38h: u were at the summit? Oct 12 12:46:33 hrm maybe i should lie down, staring at the screen is making me feel sick Oct 12 12:46:47 grab the tablet? :P best thing for laying in bed while sick :P Oct 12 12:46:47 aSIMULAter: I was. Oct 12 12:48:14 * Jaffa checks tmo for the first time since Wednesday Oct 12 12:48:42 good idea sts, i could use irssi on xterminal and type when i'm puking Oct 12 12:48:48 staying connected all the time rules Oct 12 12:48:50 i guess Oct 12 12:50:53 ? Oct 12 12:51:17 aSIMULAter: you should use Mauku for that Oct 12 12:51:41 Puking over IRC is soooo 90s... Oct 12 12:51:56 to be honest i want to lay down and rest but Oct 12 12:52:06 i have a kitty cat on my lap and Oct 12 12:53:31 Hi Oct 12 12:53:52 aSIMULAter: You shouldn't touch funny smelling things in Amsterdam. Oct 12 12:54:10 actually you know what i suspect? Oct 12 12:54:19 on friday i went to a really posh 175e per person dinner Oct 12 12:54:28 and we had a sampler menu...8 courses Oct 12 12:54:40 afterwards my friend's gf started to puke and had stomach problems the next day Oct 12 12:54:44 same thing happened to my coworker who joined us Oct 12 12:54:48 Oh dear Oct 12 12:54:50 i was ok...but on saturday is tarted to feel ill Oct 12 12:55:08 and now, i'm really sick...same with my friend who wasn't feeling any sypmtoms before Oct 12 12:55:12 * Jaffa has had the dinner we had on Saturday described as "very expensive" at 20e per person... Oct 12 12:55:17 aSIMULAter: Bugger. Oct 12 12:55:32 i'm contemplating writing an angry email right now to the restaurant Oct 12 12:55:36 Where is a good place to get a n800 for a good price? Oct 12 12:55:42 yeah, incredible that you have to pay 175e for food poisoning these days Oct 12 12:55:43 :P Oct 12 12:55:53 aSIMULAter: don't do that, mail the health services Oct 12 12:56:08 dutch health services? Oct 12 12:56:16 That has been no restaurant. It was karma. Oct 12 12:56:29 more thanks to http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=344130&postcount=15 :D Oct 12 12:56:55 Dropping e175 on a dinner should be really bad for karma, with gluttony being a sin etc =) Oct 12 12:56:56 this restaurant has a 2 star michelin rating..now imagine, 4 people sick from their food Oct 12 12:57:06 that'll be bad for their reputation Oct 12 12:57:16 woilok: Probably depends on where you are. amazon.com knows a few sellers who still carry that. Oct 12 12:57:26 Meizirkki: yeah Oct 12 12:57:38 range - Thanks Oct 12 12:58:24 How does the n770 compare to the n800? Oct 12 12:58:27 Much difference? Oct 12 12:58:29 slow Oct 12 12:58:29 :P Oct 12 12:58:37 Ahhh Oct 12 12:58:57 So even though I can get the n770 for $50 it's still good to spend $150 on an n800? Oct 12 12:59:33 I'd think so. Oct 12 12:59:47 OK. Oct 12 12:59:55 It is much speedier than the 770, has more storage (64GB should be possible) ... Oct 12 13:00:06 Will mer support the 770? :) Oct 12 13:00:37 it does, but it's slow, and it won't do GL Oct 12 13:00:38 afaik Oct 12 13:01:06 spend 200, get both, use the other as a photo display or permanently in wc Oct 12 13:01:23 lol Oct 12 13:01:26 Nice. Oct 12 13:01:47 Is there anything specific I should look at, or ask, when buying a used n800/n770? Oct 12 13:01:54 Other than "Does it work?" Oct 12 13:02:16 woilok: i would avoid a 770 really Oct 12 13:02:16 and get a n800 or n810 Oct 12 13:02:22 does it work, does the mmc slot(s) work Oct 12 13:02:43 ok Oct 12 13:02:50 make the guy turn it on Oct 12 13:03:14 and show you the screen working Oct 12 13:03:16 Same for speakers and headphones. Oct 12 13:04:30 OK cool Oct 12 13:05:11 Watch out, the 800 has two SD slots. Oct 12 13:05:18 Which both should work .) Oct 12 13:05:21 Thanks Stskeeps, glass__, and range Oct 12 13:05:22 : Oct 12 13:05:28 yeah, one outside and one inside Oct 12 13:07:05 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=344412&postcount=16 <- Multiboot for N900 patch committed Oct 12 13:07:29 Is the n900 really worth the $$$$$$? Oct 12 13:07:34 yes. loving it. Oct 12 13:08:02 Damn Oct 12 13:08:06 How much did you pay Stskeeps? Oct 12 13:09:25 woilok: went to Maemo Summit and got one for free for 6 months loan :P Oct 12 13:10:28 WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAT? Oct 12 13:10:30 Damn Oct 12 13:10:45 like the rest 300 participants Oct 12 13:10:52 Geez Oct 12 13:11:00 Are you going to buy it after the loan? Oct 12 13:11:04 definately. Oct 12 13:11:19 And everybody else is silently swearing at Nokia to ship it already. Oct 12 13:11:45 ^^ Oct 12 13:12:09 i need one so i can start breaking it apart to fix MMS :D Oct 12 13:12:26 My 800 is broken, my phone is falling apart so I do need something new :) Oct 12 13:12:42 range - get an n770 Oct 12 13:12:44 It's cheap Oct 12 13:12:52 but not a phone Oct 12 13:12:55 No. Too slow. Not going back there. Oct 12 13:13:04 buy an iphone i heard they're super awesome and trendy Oct 12 13:13:22 lol Oct 12 13:13:31 aSIMULAter: Yeah, but do those have singletouch resistive screens? Oct 12 13:13:39 if not: Dealbreaker! Oct 12 13:15:53 Can you PM people at maemo? Oct 12 13:15:53 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pee3nT4bPw4&feature=player_embedded Oct 12 13:16:06 dude! Oct 12 13:16:08 I want to ask some sellers some private questions but I don't see a private message field thingy Oct 12 13:16:16 talk.maemo or? Oct 12 13:16:21 flash 10 on n900! Oct 12 13:16:25 wazd: old Oct 12 13:16:33 Stskeeps: whatever :D Oct 12 13:16:37 yeah Oct 12 13:16:38 talk.maemo Oct 12 13:16:45 I signed up today Oct 12 13:16:51 omcfadde: Yep, thanks. I didn't realise it was using the accelerometers until I stood upright to play... Oct 12 13:18:07 heya qwerty Oct 12 13:18:53 Moo, RST38h. I'm envious of the firmware version your N900 has... :p Oct 12 13:19:12 qwerty: Well it is still the same older device though Oct 12 13:19:13 maybe I'm seriously stupid Oct 12 13:19:22 But did T-Mobile just go nuts? http://slexy.org/view/s26YsN0BQc Oct 12 13:20:03 Do I have to wait or post something in order to send private messages on talk.maemo.org? Oct 12 13:20:23 qwerty: the new version appears not to have mce hangups Oct 12 13:21:15 RST38h: Good. :) I still maintain out of all the firmwares I've tried, 38-16 was the most stable :) Oct 12 13:21:32 Anyone selling an n810 or n800? Oct 12 13:21:37 qwerty12_N900: published bootmenu stuff btw Oct 12 13:21:46 well, or announced it and pointed to a patch to SVN Oct 12 13:22:00 On Talk? Oct 12 13:22:06 yeah Oct 12 13:22:13 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=344412&postcount=16 Oct 12 13:22:33 Thanks, looking... Oct 12 13:23:06 not 100% final but it is really easy to work with Oct 12 13:24:18 qwerty: Something bad is happening with XChat Oct 12 13:24:44 qwerty: Both your and Marius' versions now report Python missing on startup and no longer show the user list for the channel Oct 12 13:25:02 anyway, who thinks he found the perfect data plan for the n900? Oct 12 13:25:30 voip, no limited unlimited, and under a tenner a month? Oct 12 13:25:40 RST38h: Python missing is nothing (just install python2.5 if you want the support) but user list shows fine here :/ Oct 12 13:26:10 qwerty: Looks like these problems are somehow related Oct 12 13:26:18 * RST38h will purge the package and reinstall Oct 12 13:26:26 woilok: yup Oct 12 13:26:27 . Oct 12 13:26:44 woilok: I have an n810 I might want to get rid off Oct 12 13:27:40 rst38h: /usr/lib/xchat/plugins/python* is the python stuff, if you wish to delete it and see if it changes anything Oct 12 13:28:18 qwerty: Simply kill off the plugins? In a moment, sir... Oct 12 13:30:58 got a question on the linker with scratchbox... I was not able to link different library on the ar step.. anyone know how do i configure that? Oct 12 13:31:11 qwerty: user list does not show up still. Also, going to settings, changing the use rlist location, then OKing the settings crashes XChat Oct 12 13:31:34 qwerty: this is with your package. Will be purging and reinstalling in a moment Oct 12 13:37:08 RST38h: The User list does show up for me, but you are right about the crashing. Will look into that, thanks! Oct 12 13:38:50 timeless, did you create the maemo.gitorious.com component in bugzilla? Oct 12 13:41:56 hello Oct 12 13:50:43 does anybody know if the 21Mbit/s HSPA+ be a hw limitation or sw limitation? Oct 12 13:52:48 got a question on the linker with scratchbox... I was not able to link different library on the ar step.. anyone know how do i configure that? Oct 12 13:52:54 clmntch which umts network yet hast 21Mbit/s HSPA+? Oct 12 13:53:01 clmntch: how about a protocol limitation? Oct 12 13:55:03 i would assume protocol would be some kernel level driver, which i would place in the software category Oct 12 13:55:31 woglinde: i read some where that t-mobile usa might possible support that in the somewhat near distant future Oct 12 13:56:14 qwerty: see the mailing list for firmware Oct 12 13:56:23 clmntch: no, I'm talking about a "bandwidth" limitation which comes from neither Software or Hardware. The truth is the theoretical limit of HSPA+ has never been obtained, hence the "theoretical" name Oct 12 13:56:47 oh Oct 12 13:58:01 spencer_: ar is a archiver... it just bundles a bunch of .o files... Oct 12 13:58:23 spencer_: you want to link the other libs when you link yer .a to the code with main Oct 12 13:58:49 However, if your program infringes intellectual property, you can't use ar, but need to use yarr. Oct 12 13:59:33 RST38h: Thanks Oct 12 13:59:54 unless you play golf on saturdays, in which case you need to use par Oct 12 14:00:30 also, if you are a tree-hugger and cycle to work, the command is named car Oct 12 14:00:39 and if you're a bad comedian, it's carr Oct 12 14:00:40 I love how Talk is becoming 5 guys fighting each other to make icons and graphics for apps thinking it'll get them an N900. Oct 12 14:00:43 clmntch, during my make, ar is complaining on cannot find all the -l arguments when it's making the .a file... how to i fix that then? is it because i don't have a bin make yet?? Oct 12 14:01:25 spencer_: how is a program supposed to use files that don't exist? Oct 12 14:01:30 crashhanddie, if you mess something up, you better go far. Oct 12 14:01:35 i think -l does soemthing different for ar Oct 12 14:01:47 spencer_: tab is king Oct 12 14:05:41 Anyone can suggest where to file the bug about a media player applet? Oct 12 14:05:50 It is not in Desktop Widgets section Oct 12 14:06:03 rst make a new section? Oct 12 14:06:10 lets x-fade create one? Oct 12 14:06:18 or jeremiah? Oct 12 14:06:35 I am filing it to Media Player. Oct 12 14:06:43 These guys can figure it out later Oct 12 14:06:54 so why you ask then? Oct 12 14:06:56 *g* Oct 12 14:09:48 woglinde: I thought someone may have a brighter idea. Oct 12 14:10:08 RST38h: Are you on 41-10? Oct 12 14:10:13 Yes. Oct 12 14:10:18 Ok then. Oct 12 14:16:33 Hi, I'm mostly guilty for ForecaWeather Oct 12 14:16:50 'lo and welcome Oct 12 14:17:15 * qwerty12 imagines wazd with an AK-47 in his hands Oct 12 14:17:20 moo Oct 12 14:17:31 Baa Oct 12 14:17:40 hey, that is my trademark salute. Oct 12 14:18:04 qwerty12: why so?) Oct 12 14:18:07 heya javis Oct 12 14:18:14 hi RST38h Oct 12 14:18:18 glad to see things going back to normal Oct 12 14:18:24 wazd: OMWeather wars, of course! Oct 12 14:18:58 At Foreca HQ? Oct 12 14:19:14 jjrv: I've found that to be a useful widget, but one thing I've noticed is the update time could be a bit more configurable Oct 12 14:19:45 more or less time or finer tuning? Oct 12 14:20:04 well, I'd like to have 30min updates for example Oct 12 14:20:31 qwerty12: competition is the key to developing :) Oct 12 14:20:42 1h is a bit long when the whether is changing quite often (eg Helsinki in Autumn) Oct 12 14:20:43 omcfadde, hmm that could be done Oct 12 14:21:03 wazd: You say that, publically, but I can still see that AK-47 behind you :p Oct 12 14:21:28 ideally I think it would be good to have something like how you set the time for an alarm (the hours/mins scrollable lists) Oct 12 14:21:30 qwerty ak-47 manufactor is bankruppt Oct 12 14:21:40 omcfadde, however only the current conditions might change Oct 12 14:21:41 jjrv: where does fw download the actual weather data? metar of some foreca proprietary stuff? Oct 12 14:22:06 woglinde: Damn, that sucks. But, hey, it's not like they can't be bought second-hand :p Oct 12 14:22:16 cosmo, we're using bunches of sources, eg. many country governments Oct 12 14:22:17 jjrv: right. I wouldn't expect the forecast to be changing all the time Oct 12 14:23:03 cosmo, that's why we can't put up a wide open feed :/ Oct 12 14:24:30 To all happy N900 users: Anyone knows if you can get GPS lock without network connection? Oct 12 14:24:31 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5335 Oct 12 14:24:36 wb orbarron Oct 12 14:24:47 jjrv: i'd like to see some super-detailed mode with for example more detailed wind forecasts Oct 12 14:25:12 yo Stskeeps how was it? Oct 12 14:25:16 useful for pilots, sailors, etc who require more than average wx data Oct 12 14:25:43 cosmo, currently there's the website link button at least but the browser opens a little slowly maybe Oct 12 14:25:44 orbarron: was great - met with Ameet and was surprised by the OMAP2 GLES announcement :) Oct 12 14:25:55 (he had his talk right after mine) Oct 12 14:26:10 so i understand a little better how your port fits in things now Oct 12 14:26:21 jjrv: radar animations would also be a really nice addition Oct 12 14:26:44 stskeep hm where is the omap2 gless announcement? Oct 12 14:26:53 i've got access to ilmailulaitos weather portal, but it's a bit slow to use Oct 12 14:27:09 woglinde: was announced at the TI/Omapzoom2 talk at summit Oct 12 14:27:17 IC Oct 12 14:27:20 cool Oct 12 14:27:34 stskeep but no inet pressrelease? Oct 12 14:27:53 woglinde: i guess it makes more sense once there's something to dl, but dunno Oct 12 14:27:55 radar animations (in Finland at least) are not "public" data afaik Oct 12 14:27:57 yo woglinde Oct 12 14:28:07 cosmo, that's true Oct 12 14:28:10 yr.no is awesome. Oct 12 14:28:17 And has data lots wider than norway Oct 12 14:29:22 GAN900, GeneralAntilles: ping? Oct 12 14:31:32 ALL: Please, look at the fresh bug trackers at the bottom of https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?email1=luarvique%40gmail.com&emailtype1=exact&emailreporter1=1 and vote as you consider fit Oct 12 14:31:42 These are all filed for Fremantle Oct 12 14:33:02 cosmo, the situation in europe is such that government data comes at a price, you notice this easily with maps etc. Oct 12 14:34:07 jjrv: yep.. it's a bit silly as they are paid for by taxes Oct 12 14:34:31 cosmo, agreed Oct 12 14:34:52 yr.no got radar maps for free, but you might not be talking about radar weather maps anymore Oct 12 14:36:19 we're talking licensing.. there are a lot of free websites with weather maps, but you just can't steal them Oct 12 14:36:50 roger, my bad Oct 12 14:38:11 finland's got one of world's most detailed terrain map databases, but it costs big $$$ to get Oct 12 14:39:11 so it can't be used for example in free flight simulators Oct 12 14:39:52 as long as you only fly over .FI of course? Oct 12 14:40:20 the raw data is available only for purchase Oct 12 14:40:29 * jaska uses the map to plot bombing run on genimap Oct 12 14:41:06 i've had to use some old nasa's shuttle mission images with crappy resolution Oct 12 14:41:19 Anyone here awake that are on the Fremantle stars mailing list? Oct 12 14:41:35 zerojay: Yep, just flashed Oct 12 14:42:16 qwerty12: My key's at work and I'm off work today. Think you can up both emmc and the new image somewhere for me? Oct 12 14:47:49 http://maemoteam.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/amsterdam-flash-marathon/ <- oh dear Oct 12 14:48:34 I want the flash-jig. I have the cracked Phoenix to go with it... Oct 12 14:48:44 sure it does anything that flasher can't do? Oct 12 14:48:54 RST38h: interesting amounf of xterm bugs there, clearly must be the most important app for the device :P Oct 12 14:48:55 qwerty12: do you use exchange with gmail? Oct 12 14:49:08 Stskeeps: I gave a whole exchange of screenshots showing that it can do Oct 12 14:49:14 crashanddie: I do. Oct 12 14:49:18 qwerty12: hmm, true Oct 12 14:49:19 zerojay: and it works? Oct 12 14:49:20 All of which you will never see in flasher-3.0 Oct 12 14:49:27 crashanddie: nope Oct 12 14:49:28 crashanddie: Aside from email, yes. Oct 12 14:49:42 zerojay: oh, so email doens't work "on purpose"? Oct 12 14:49:43 qwerty12: well, we have some questions to Foreca but they are not bout their widget and pretty senseless now :) Oct 12 14:50:01 qwerty12: so we better focus on our stuff Oct 12 14:50:02 crashanddie: It doesn't work because of something fucked on Google's end... not on purpose. Oct 12 14:50:08 suihkulokki: But of course :) Oct 12 14:50:17 zerojay: you sure it's google's end? Oct 12 14:50:39 crashanddie: Not 100%, but I'm 100% sure it's not something done on Nokia's end on purpose. Oct 12 14:50:50 suihkulokki: [seriously though, it has been gutted even in comparison to Maemo4 version, that is why] Oct 12 14:50:57 crashanddie: I heard reports it worked last week and this week it doesn't (people not using maemo on it tho) Oct 12 14:51:15 zerojay: Yes, what do you want? Oct 12 14:51:48 RST38h: Latest flash image already decrypted if you don't mind. Oct 12 14:52:00 RST38h: eMMC too, if possible. Oct 12 14:52:01 zerojay: Not from work, sorry Oct 12 14:52:14 zerojay: I can download it alright, but can't decrypt it here Oct 12 14:52:23 Ironically, that's my problem right now. I'm not at work, so I can't decrypt it. Oct 12 14:52:29 suihkulokki: so it's not n900 centric? Oct 12 14:52:39 * RST38h laughes diabolically Oct 12 14:55:10 qwerty12: "Phoenix"? Screenshots? Oct 12 14:55:14 crashanddie: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=6194ec41195d1453&hl=en Oct 12 14:56:05 Jaffa: http://i32.tinypic.com/2ry69zc.jpg http://i27.tinypic.com/4rwynb.jpg http://i28.tinypic.com/nmlweg.jpg Oct 12 14:56:22 Jaffa: Newer versions (quite a few months back, IIRC) support the N900 Oct 12 14:56:47 qwerty,Jaffa: This is Nokia's internal flashing app, regularly leaked to the Net Oct 12 14:56:56 qwerty12: RST38h: ta Oct 12 14:57:02 usually used to unlock/update/hack phone firmware Oct 12 15:03:27 is nokia dropping the n8x0 line? Oct 12 15:04:47 the n900 looks nice, but it is fuckin' expensive! Oct 12 15:05:09 How fucking? Oct 12 15:05:32 RST38h: fuckin' A :D Oct 12 15:05:55 Depending on local rates, 1-100. Oct 12 15:06:33 WormFood: Nokia dropped the N8x0 line a long time ago Oct 12 15:07:53 Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/N8x0, use Mer instead <-- I haven't updated my N800 in quite a while...last time I was here, there were far fewer users here....what is this "Mer", and where do I get it? Oct 12 15:08:19 ~Mer Oct 12 15:08:20 somebody said mer was http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer Oct 12 15:08:21 I thought the new 810 wimax or whatever was released not too long ago Oct 12 15:08:47 javis: Short note Oct 12 15:09:23 *opens notepad* Oct 12 15:09:50 WormFood: wasn't released not logn ago, it was discontinued not long ago :/ Oct 12 15:10:00 that is sad Oct 12 15:10:08 nokia.co.uk certainly has no n800 devices Oct 12 15:10:08 what do people use for a cheap handheld computer now? Oct 12 15:10:33 it feels like just the other day I bought my n800 new...it was almost 2 years ago tho Oct 12 15:10:35 g1 or netbooks depending Oct 12 15:10:37 I use the n810. Oct 12 15:10:52 javis: will have to wait, sorry =) Oct 12 15:10:58 * qwerty12 uses a Gameboy Color Oct 12 15:11:15 I don't use my n800 a lot, but when I do, it is very handy...I use it mostly for voip, which is the real reason I bought it in the first place. Oct 12 15:11:22 I see no real need for updated software so far.... Oct 12 15:13:41 WormFood: If it's still useful to you, it doesn't matter if it's discontinued. Oct 12 15:14:11 Sure it does. Oct 12 15:14:14 oh yeah! I agree 100% Oct 12 15:14:17 No easy replacement. Oct 12 15:14:30 SpeedEvil: Why would you need to replace it if it's still useful to you? Oct 12 15:14:33 for my voip needs, I can just use my N85 phone Oct 12 15:15:00 but, I do really like the n800....my girlfriend uses it to call usa on voip, and still leaves my phone open for normal phone use Oct 12 15:15:23 I used my N800 the same way for a long time. Oct 12 15:16:03 zerojay: Dropped in toilet. Oct 12 15:16:17 zerojay: carried off by owls. Oct 12 15:16:24 ebay to the rescue. Oct 12 15:16:29 SpeedEvil: In which cases, it's no longer useful to you, is it? Oct 12 15:16:36 at lot of people are selling their n810's like if there's no tomorrow. Oct 12 15:16:55 I wonder why they might be doing that :) Oct 12 15:17:17 the price is not doing going down tho. I actually bought cheaper. Oct 12 15:17:29 what was the list price of the N810? Oct 12 15:17:46 Originally? Oct 12 15:17:49 I want to say my N800 cost me about $140-150 Oct 12 15:17:55 I think something like $450. Oct 12 15:18:16 dunno. new n810 from nokia costed like €300 last december. Oct 12 15:18:18 I think I bought mine in January of last year Oct 12 15:19:35 one of my friends wrote the most popular ebook reader for the nokia cell phoned, used in China, and nokia tried to send them a N810, and it was rejected by china customs, twice. Oct 12 15:19:47 cell phoneS* Oct 12 15:20:34 now I think it would go through customs Oct 12 15:21:13 I bought a chinese E71 phone...now wifi, no 3G, no front camera....same fuckin' price as if it had all that stuff....so I went to HK and bought the HK model of the E71, with all the features at the same price Oct 12 15:21:44 WormFood: OpenPandora might ship someday Oct 12 15:21:47 china wanted to develop their own wifi, but now they decided not to Oct 12 15:21:53 what is that? Oct 12 15:22:10 I'm really out of touch with the developments on the N8x0 series Oct 12 15:22:12 http://openpandora.org/ Oct 12 15:22:59 ooohhh...that looks nice....price? Oct 12 15:23:04 imaginary. Oct 12 15:23:19 luke-jr: heard the GLES announcement? even if you don't like lib blobs Oct 12 15:23:39 WormFood: $330 Oct 12 15:23:48 usd? Oct 12 15:24:00 I think so Oct 12 15:25:38 WormFood: might also consider the new Zaurus, if it's not too large for you Oct 12 15:26:45 new zaurus? haven't heard about that...I have a SL-5500 (zaurus) back "home" in usa Oct 12 15:26:51 do you have a url handy? Oct 12 15:27:00 it isn't for me, a friend was asking about it Oct 12 15:27:28 http://www.sharp-world.com/corporate/news/090827.html Oct 12 15:28:02 linux based? Oct 12 15:28:19 I remember the older japanese zarus-lookalikes were not linux Oct 12 15:28:36 oh yeah, I see now...linux Oct 12 15:28:37 Installed OS*6 Linux/Ubuntu*7 9.04 (Smartbook Remix for ARM-based systems, Sharp customized version) Oct 12 15:29:37 i wonder what the price will be on them Oct 12 15:30:11 reviews say kb sucks :( Oct 12 15:30:26 lol. Instead of GNU/Linux, Linux/Ubuntu. Stallman must be crying right now :) Oct 12 15:30:54 realistically, neither GNU nor Linux should be in the title Oct 12 15:30:55 jesus must be spinning in his grave Oct 12 15:30:56 just Ubuntu, etc Oct 12 15:31:03 hm at least no atom Oct 12 15:31:07 right Oct 12 15:31:07 "Linux/Ubuntu" is funny, but I never refer to Linux as GNU/Linux Oct 12 15:31:22 qwerty12: me either, but I don't refer to GNU as Linux either Oct 12 15:31:33 but the bught adobe plugin like nokia Oct 12 15:31:34 Yep Oct 12 15:31:52 Linux is merely a kernel Oct 12 15:32:05 javispedro no there no free software Oct 12 15:32:12 so you cannt call it GNU/Linux Oct 12 15:32:13 haha Oct 12 15:32:24 is there a variable that can be used when coding for maemo in C that describes the path to the icon dir? or do I need to hardcode the dir? Oct 12 15:33:31 what the hack is this? Optical pointer (optical pointing device) Oct 12 15:33:34 * luke-jr wonders why SIM wasn't just piggybacked on SDIO so it could be compatible with SDIO things Oct 12 15:33:56 this means you can use your laser pointer on the touchscreen or what? Oct 12 15:34:13 woglinde: It might refer to a optical mouse upside-down Oct 12 15:34:19 woglinde: which you rub your finger over Oct 12 15:34:54 Shapeshifter: I think I do more or less the right thing here: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/trunk/hildon-status-menu-widget-example/ Oct 12 15:35:14 speedevil a optical trackball? Oct 12 15:35:16 intressting Oct 12 15:35:19 Shapeshifter: I generally get it from the build system and cause it to be #defined. Oct 12 15:35:21 hi ph5 Oct 12 15:35:30 woglinde: basically, yes. Oct 12 15:35:44 hi Oct 12 15:35:44 murrayc, re: your comment on my blog, i got pointed to some widget examples here last week too Oct 12 15:36:28 murrayc: thanks. Oct 12 15:36:39 woglinde: no moving parts, $1, and if you do it right, you get a free light sensor too Oct 12 15:36:49 Shapeshifter: ACtually, that's not what I thought it was. I'll look again. Oct 12 15:37:10 zaheerm: Nokia had other people working on examples too. It's a bit fragmented. Oct 12 15:37:23 Shapeshifter: This is my one: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/trunk/example_status_applet/ Oct 12 15:37:38 Shapeshifter: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/trunk/example_status_applet/Makefile.am Oct 12 15:37:45 murrayc, also thx for the tshitrt, it's got a lovely pattern i'm wearing it today! Oct 12 15:38:18 zaheerm: Flickr/blog/facebook yourself in it repeatedly, please. Oct 12 15:38:32 zaheerm: Sorry we didn't have any more 2009 1/2 ones. Oct 12 15:38:46 murrayc, 1/2? Oct 12 15:39:09 zaheerm: We did extra ones this year. They were particularly nice, because I didn't design them. Oct 12 15:39:21 thanks for the conversation and info (especially luke-jr)...I gotta do some work before I take my shower and go to bed...I'll see ya'll l8r Oct 12 15:40:05 murrayc, i was quite chuffed you managed to get me one in the end! so hey don't apologise at all! Oct 12 15:40:17 We care. Oct 12 15:43:09 murrayc, well and truly flickr'ed Oct 12 15:46:48 zaheerm: Your gravity is strange. Oct 12 15:47:38 murrayc, i am on the same earth :) Oct 12 15:48:18 but firefox crashes when i rotate image :) Oct 12 15:48:37 maybe i should do it in microb Oct 12 15:49:48 javispedro: I knew you were evil... 60 days? I bet you've tried. ;P Oct 12 15:50:21 qwerty12: not with n810 tho :) Oct 12 15:50:40 OK, that makes you slightly less evil :p Oct 12 15:51:08 glad to hear that :) Oct 12 15:52:05 actually, it's more than 60 days and it's not wm but rather CE, but I'll leave the post as is for comedic pleasure. Oct 12 15:52:08 murrayc, ok so firefox on fedora segfaults, microb on n900 rotated it fine...maybe i should switch my default browser Oct 12 15:52:59 Technology is rubbish. Oct 12 15:54:07 yah sucks Oct 12 15:54:18 especially stuff i write ;) Oct 12 16:01:30 http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/10/11/major-bug-in-snow-leopard-deletes-all-user-data Oct 12 16:02:17 full veptu replica for hundred bucks :) Oct 12 16:02:43 zerojay: who needs user data? porn mode is the new system global standard. Oct 12 16:02:56 lol Oct 12 16:03:05 Just a warning for our Mac using friends. Oct 12 16:05:20 zerojay: not the first time Oct 12 16:05:45 Heigh-Ho, Heigh-Ho, it's off to extras-devel we go Oct 12 16:08:32 qwerty12 returns to childhood Oct 12 16:09:34 zerojay: lol Oct 12 16:09:41 i dont have guest account Oct 12 16:09:43 :) Oct 12 16:10:05 javispedro: who needs user data when all the porn in the world is available in streaming! Oct 12 16:10:05 I think he returned to neverland Oct 12 16:10:20 touché. Oct 12 16:10:28 neverland, the land where your packages will never be promoted. Oct 12 16:11:08 no the place where little bots need to hide their package Oct 12 16:11:11 neverland Oct 12 16:11:13 luke-jr: Definitely not. Oct 12 16:11:15 boys Oct 12 16:11:18 only if $user = javispedro Oct 12 16:13:26 :( Oct 12 16:13:40 If you require more information, please write to us at 667, Eternity Lane, D34 TH, UK Oct 12 16:13:57 * qwerty12 lives at 666 Oct 12 16:14:28 btw, did the qa queue start moving again now that there are 300 extra testers? Oct 12 16:14:41 300, like that movie! Oct 12 16:14:45 I doubt very many of them are doing any rating, honestly. Oct 12 16:15:23 At least I'm not noticing a bunch more votes. Oct 12 16:17:55 Spartan King Quim Gil and 300 maemians fight to the last man against Persian "God-King" Steve Jobs and his army of more than one million apps. Oct 12 16:19:15 THIS... IS... MAEMO! Oct 12 16:19:19 ^_^ Oct 12 16:20:04 Take that, shitty fart apps. Oct 12 16:20:06 * zerojay stabs. Oct 12 16:20:26 * zerojay gingerly runs around his own apps. Oct 12 16:20:51 lol Oct 12 16:21:03 lol Oct 12 16:27:52 lol Oct 12 16:49:09 :'( Oct 12 16:49:17 killed your n900? :P Oct 12 16:49:21 * EspadaV8_W has to return the n900 tomorrow Oct 12 16:49:25 aw :P Oct 12 16:49:36 :'''''( Oct 12 16:49:56 what did you do to kill it Oct 12 16:50:02 mh, for some reason my application icon is just a blue square instead of the one I specified. as far as I see I've put the .desktop file in the right place, and the icon is there as well, just as with the example files. Oct 12 16:50:09 EspadaV8_W: Please allow me to rub salt into the wound by saying that mine has to be returned back next year Oct 12 16:50:18 * EspadaV8_W stabs qwerty12 Oct 12 16:50:18 except scalable Oct 12 16:50:24 * EspadaV8_W runs off with his phone Oct 12 16:50:29 Buying one? Oct 12 16:50:33 please allow me to remove salt from your wound by saying that I STILL DON'T HAVE ONE Oct 12 16:50:46 Shapeshifter: do't you have to include a hex version of the icon in the .desktop file Oct 12 16:50:48 or something Oct 12 16:51:07 * EspadaV8_W is just saying words since he has no idea reallt Oct 12 16:51:09 *really Oct 12 16:51:14 Shapeshifter: icon in application manager or applications menu? Oct 12 16:51:15 mhh... the example desktop file just has Icon=iconname Oct 12 16:51:29 javispedro: applications menu. the application manager doesn't work in the sdk. Oct 12 16:51:30 apparently. Oct 12 16:51:35 or for me at least. Oct 12 16:51:36 what does the blue sphere look like? Oct 12 16:51:37 it works, but you need fakeroot-net. Oct 12 16:51:45 Shapeshifter: run gtk-update-icon-cache Oct 12 16:51:49 javispedro: installed on the host machine? Oct 12 16:51:57 Shapeshifter, no, inside sbox. Oct 12 16:52:18 nice, headphone icon in statusbar Oct 12 16:52:56 javispedro: ah I see, installed fakeroot-net and the manager is working now. Oct 12 16:53:05 Shapeshifter: "gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor/" for the icon issue (from memory) Oct 12 16:56:56 javispedro: mhh, doesn't work. So, I'm not sure if it's my fault... I have icons of correct resolution all named the same in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/hildon/ and ...40x40, 26x26, 16x16,... as well. and in my .desktop file which is in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ I have Icon=myiconname Oct 12 16:57:17 among other entries like Exec, Name etc Oct 12 16:57:47 Shapeshifter: 64x64 icon in /scalable/ ? Oct 12 16:58:46 oh, I made install again and now it's there. No icon in scalable. I don't have a real scalable icon (svg). So I should put a 64x64 one? Oct 12 16:59:01 that was for Diablo, and AFAIK for Fremantle too. Oct 12 16:59:58 mh okay. thanks. Oct 12 17:07:24 * Shapeshifter is now upgrading to final sdk. Oct 12 17:10:51 zerojay, RST38h, lbt, pong? Oct 12 17:10:58 morning GeneralAntilles Oct 12 17:11:38 anyone seen something like this before? "/scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-objcopy: debian/python-zope.interface-dbg/usr/lib/debug//usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/zope/interface/_zope_interface_coptimizations.so: Invalid operation Oct 12 17:11:38 dh_strip: command returned error code 256" Oct 12 17:13:01 GeneralAntilles: yo. Oct 12 17:21:50 Jaffa: ttf-droid with optification sent to the Autobuilder Oct 12 17:25:59 * tekonivel is reading backlog of http://www.allaboutmaemo.com/news/item/10591_Maemo_Summit_Day_3-live.php Oct 12 17:28:21 qwerty12: I always wondered what the point of the font packages were. I never saw anywhere I could use them. Oct 12 17:29:31 You can use them with the X Terminal (which is where I use it) or play with a theme's gtkrc and make it use the new font Oct 12 17:29:33 qwerty12: Cool Oct 12 17:29:42 Besides, Jaffa made me upload it for Fremantle :p Oct 12 17:29:44 zerojay: And Notes (maybe Conboy) Oct 12 17:29:50 X Terminal in particular is handy, tho' Oct 12 17:29:54 would it a good idea to have cairo optimsed to use omap dsp ? Oct 12 17:30:05 or the latency would kill it ? Oct 12 17:30:07 qwerty12: Ah, okay... cool. Oct 12 17:31:39 ? Oct 12 17:32:46 Hello everyone ! Oct 12 17:33:04 hi Oct 12 17:33:13 where did i saw that name .... Oct 12 17:33:47 Khertan_n900: Hey. Oct 12 17:33:53 philosopher: New to Maemo? Oct 12 17:34:02 very Oct 12 17:34:09 ver new Oct 12 17:34:18 Hello timeless and zerojay Oct 12 17:34:44 many people a making noise about it now so it got me curious Oct 12 17:34:54 Did you think there is a way to force a gtksourceview y Oct 12 17:34:57 For good reason. :) Oct 12 17:35:19 to subclass hildon.TextView instead of a gtk.TextView ? Oct 12 17:35:25 * ccooke finally arrives back in London Oct 12 17:35:32 * zerojay yawns.. Oct 12 17:35:38 without patching the library ... ? Oct 12 17:35:42 Can't believe I'm leaving Quebec so soon... nothing's packed.. lol Oct 12 17:35:43 well a systems is only as good as it software Oct 12 17:35:58 i hope people do code a lot for it Oct 12 17:36:06 zerojay: in quebec ? lol Oct 12 17:36:13 annoyingly, my n900 didn't manage to get enough charge to turn on, despite being on usb charge the whole way Oct 12 17:36:22 how connection just switch to 3.5G ... Oct 12 17:36:25 philosopher: Yeah.. leaving in a few weeks. Oct 12 17:36:31 i think it was 3G only Oct 12 17:36:42 not so good, really. I imagine they're working on that :-) Oct 12 17:36:45 Come on Backup... I wanna play Q3 already. Oct 12 17:36:54 reMoo all Oct 12 17:37:13 boo Oct 12 17:37:18 * GeneralAntilles doesn't know where his keys went. Oct 12 17:37:38 zerojay: job or familly ? Oct 12 17:38:28 philosopher: My company is opening up a new office in Halifax so I'm moving out there to help open it. Also, my wife and kid don't know french well enough yet, so it'll just work out better for us anyways. Oct 12 17:38:30 So a mix of both. Oct 12 17:38:53 Halifax ? where is it ? Oct 12 17:39:19 East coast of Canada, right by the ocean. Oct 12 17:39:34 Mayor of Zagreb, Croatia, said that it would be cool if big rockstars will come and sing in his city, like David Bowie and Freddie Mercury. He was very surprised to hear that Mercury died 18 years ago Oct 12 17:39:42 come on, it should be renamed to Halitwitter already. who uses fax srsly? Oct 12 17:39:43 lol Oct 12 17:40:00 tekonivel: I'm stealing that. lol Oct 12 17:40:07 ok Oct 12 17:40:13 tekonivel: My bank, for one. Oct 12 17:40:20 tekonivel: internally Oct 12 17:40:25 scan? Oct 12 17:40:26 naah Oct 12 17:40:29 photocopy + fax Oct 12 17:40:30 tekonivel: Hehe. Oct 12 17:40:33 so those who have a dev n900 how is th resistive screen ? Oct 12 17:40:41 I just hope that if Nokia decides to send me that Summit N900 anyways, that I haven't already moved. Oct 12 17:40:44 it is ok Oct 12 17:40:50 http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_a_Qt_application#Editing_the_Control_file Oct 12 17:40:51 # Section: Only the packages in the user segment are showed by App Installer. Oct 12 17:40:52 philosopher: excellent Oct 12 17:40:54 philosopher: Much better than the N810.. much more precise. Oct 12 17:41:00 what are the valid user segments? Oct 12 17:41:02 it really impresses me Oct 12 17:41:06 SpeedEvil: in reality we use fax (occasionally) too; only fax and photocopy are legimate methods to copy official papers with signatures f.ex. Oct 12 17:41:21 zerojay: not to hard to press ? Oct 12 17:41:24 scans are informal, not official Oct 12 17:41:25 zerojay: theymre also detecting finger presses much better Oct 12 17:41:27 whatever... Oct 12 17:41:39 EspadaV8, http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories Oct 12 17:41:48 I feel fine using he web browser with fingers Oct 12 17:41:59 philosopher: You don't have to press as hard as on the N810, but it also does a better job detecting presses along with the more finger friendly UI. Oct 12 17:42:04 the "did your n900 ship today" thread is pretty funny Oct 12 17:42:11 heh Oct 12 17:42:14 philosopher: My iPhone friends universally don't press hard enough though. ;) Oct 12 17:42:14 ah ha, thanks you GeneralAntilles Oct 12 17:42:22 GeneralAntilles: so... are the categories in the n900 wrong? Oct 12 17:42:33 philosopher: the touchscreen is really good Oct 12 17:42:33 i have strings for them and will translate tonight in a bit if they are Oct 12 17:42:47 far away better than any other device i see Oct 12 17:42:56 philosopher: If you don't mind the 3 hour trip to and from Quebec City, I'd let you try it yourself. Heh. Oct 12 17:43:15 lol Oct 12 17:43:26 i think i will wait for it to come out Oct 12 17:43:31 if it ever does lol Oct 12 17:44:00 timeless_mbp, I think they're OK. Oct 12 17:44:05 who will be first to make a plugin for the Maemo telepathy framework to follow talk.maemo.org with? Oct 12 17:44:19 timeless_mbp, although Nokia is, as usually, highly inconsistent with their capitalization. Oct 12 17:44:20 is meamo specificly build for omap platform or you guys plan to support other platforms ? Oct 12 17:44:31 i'll fix that Oct 12 17:44:45 oh, i have a cool diff to show you :) Oct 12 17:46:28 philosopher: Oct 12 17:46:31 ~mer Oct 12 17:46:32 well, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer Oct 12 17:46:42 is community's answer to that Oct 12 17:47:19 ok Oct 12 17:49:39 Goddamnit, crashanddie. . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mm-OS__8V0 Oct 12 17:50:20 * EspadaV8 sighs Oct 12 17:50:28 building a package isn't easy :( Oct 12 17:52:14 EspadaV8nbuilding package on device for python app is really easy : http://wiki.maemo.org/Py2deb Oct 12 17:52:59 ~ping Oct 12 17:53:00 ~pong Oct 12 17:56:22 philosopher, screen is good, pretty responsive....and it feels more accurate for presses than my mum's iphone Oct 12 17:57:04 interressting Oct 12 17:57:14 many review seems to have a concern with the screen Oct 12 17:57:14 mh, they still haven't fixed the blue/red channel bug in the final sdk. Oct 12 17:57:29 forget maemo; unix never toke the core principles to the extreme. i want plan 9 for my n900!! :) Oct 12 17:58:01 then port it Oct 12 17:58:02 :P Oct 12 17:59:07 Is something supposed to happen when one clicks on an app in the app manager? Like htere's openssh in the list, I assume by clicking on it it should install or something, but nothing happens. is this expected? Oct 12 17:59:11 http://espadav8.pastebin.com/d27a851c8 Oct 12 17:59:12 :-S Oct 12 17:59:19 don't think that worked too well :( Oct 12 18:00:32 Shapeshifter: it is supposed to install the app, but it will ask for approval first Oct 12 18:00:42 If it does not then you are not clicking hard enough Oct 12 18:01:02 RST38h: hard enough >.> I mean in the sdk Oct 12 18:01:12 Stskeeps: plan 9 is the holy operating system. hardware is ported to it, not it to hardware. It Is The One Oct 12 18:01:27 * tekonivel trolling on irc, not doing useful things Oct 12 18:01:30 * tekonivel is sorry Oct 12 18:01:43 * tekonivel goes to icanhascheezburger.com Oct 12 18:01:50 * Firebird had a copy of plan9 somewhere Oct 12 18:01:52 hmmm Oct 12 18:02:04 * EspadaV8 kills debian packaging Oct 12 18:02:05 Shapeshifter: edit ~/.osso/hildon-application-manager and change assume-connection to 1. But dpkg kept getting FP errors when I tried using App manager to install... Oct 12 18:02:45 Firebird: l33tness, u has it Oct 12 18:02:57 Shapeshift: SDK isn't a real tablet, so it is not guaranteed to work Oct 12 18:03:36 qwerty12_N810: I don't have a dir ~/.osso Oct 12 18:04:10 RST38h: yeah, I'm just asking >.> Oct 12 18:05:06 Shapeshifter: Hmm, just enable red pill mode and set the assume connection option from application manager itself, then Oct 12 18:06:14 anyone had experience packaging a Qt4 app? Oct 12 18:07:06 No, but what about of a Qt4 dance? Oct 12 18:07:29 * EspadaV8 does the Qt4 dance Oct 12 18:07:31 * Mousey is always happy to have a qt4 dancing with Oct 12 18:07:49 Does anyone else's N900 boot into French by default after reflash? Oct 12 18:07:53 RST38h: remoo Oct 12 18:07:55 mine doesn't Oct 12 18:07:59 First there was Linux and then there was Mac Oct 12 18:08:02 zerojay: quebecian SIM? Oct 12 18:08:08 RST38h: can you help me with theme deb? :) Oct 12 18:08:08 zerojay: it depends on your location Oct 12 18:08:13 Stskeeps: Yeah, that could be it then. Oct 12 18:08:18 Now we've put Windows on the OpenSource track Oct 12 18:08:20 zerojay: You are apparently in some French colony =) Oct 12 18:08:22 zerojay: Depends on the variant you flash? Oct 12 18:08:27 RST38h: Not for long! Oct 12 18:08:30 zerojay: i have a polish sim so it goes to polish Oct 12 18:08:31 wazd: Yea, send it in Oct 12 18:08:42 Lupu: There aren't any variants. Oct 12 18:09:02 Oh, hello Ovi Store. Oct 12 18:09:25 qwerty12_N810: ah, thanks. that worked. Oct 12 18:09:33 wazd: You email the stuff to my gmail account, I reboot to Linux. Oct 12 18:09:37 zerojay: Aren't there for eMMC? Oct 12 18:09:43 RST38h: k, ta Oct 12 18:10:12 Lupu: Not that I've seen so far. Oct 12 18:17:15 qwerty12_N810: dpkg no longer SIGFPEs here. Oct 12 18:17:24 Ah, good Oct 12 18:18:36 there's no such thing as a "community repo" in maemo, right? Some repo where people can upload their un-checked packages for others to install at their own risk? Oct 12 18:18:39 (as in archlinux) Oct 12 18:18:55 so, if I was to make a package for maemo, I would just distribute a .deb, right? Oct 12 18:19:00 no repo stuff. Oct 12 18:19:10 You can put it into extras-devel. Oct 12 18:19:16 And that's where it would GET checked. Oct 12 18:19:53 mh, well it's only for a specific audience (students at our uni, members of the computer science club), so I guess distributing the .deb would be sane, wouldn't it? Oct 12 18:20:06 Sure, I guess. Oct 12 18:20:18 * javispedro sighs at removal of install from .deb in ham. still. Oct 12 18:20:23 No point putting it in extras-devel if only a few people can actually use it :p Oct 12 18:20:24 okay. just asking because I'm not used to debs. Oct 12 18:20:26 They would have to install the .deb through application manager using red pill mode though. Oct 12 18:20:34 zerojay: oh. Oct 12 18:20:42 ah, I see, yeah "install from package". Oct 12 18:20:51 It's the only place where you can install from file. Oct 12 18:20:52 or from xterm? Oct 12 18:21:00 I mean, just dpkg... Oct 12 18:21:06 xterm with dpkg should work too. Oct 12 18:21:11 okay Oct 12 18:21:21 thanks Oct 12 18:23:37 Uh.. Oct 12 18:23:46 where the fuck did application manager go? Oct 12 18:23:57 Oh.. second page. Oct 12 18:24:08 #appmanager Oct 12 18:24:40 [14:59] --> You have joined the channel #appmanager (n=jay@modemcable180.240-23-96.mc.videotron.ca). Oct 12 18:24:46 Bastard. lol Oct 12 18:24:51 :p Oct 12 18:25:01 it's the best channel ever. Oct 12 18:26:44 Hi Oct 12 18:27:16 jeremiah_in-tran: home yet? Oct 12 18:27:44 "tran": the never-stopping train Oct 12 18:28:38 ... to neverland. Oct 12 18:29:00 Where 1000s and 1000s of N900s reside Oct 12 18:29:13 * javispedro goes to cry under the remains of his bridge Oct 12 18:29:17 All playing Q3 against each other. Oct 12 18:29:34 And then going to sleep an hour later. Oct 12 18:29:57 either risk the cpu being fried Oct 12 18:30:14 oh man, what happened to those old arm cpus clocked at 4x their base freq and still dead cold. Oct 12 18:30:30 zerojay: Where do you get the flash images? Oct 12 18:30:58 javispedro, I think they added GPUs and SIMD units. :D Oct 12 18:31:54 Lupu: Links given to us directly by Nokia, individually encrypted and passworded. Oct 12 18:33:05 Ok. Oct 12 18:33:18 RST38h: catch :) Oct 12 18:33:40 help Oct 12 18:33:43 i met someone from White Plains @ Maemo Summit Oct 12 18:33:49 anyone have his contact info? Oct 12 18:36:38 epic fake video idea: run VNC server on n900 and VNC viewer on n810 :D Oct 12 18:36:46 wazd: Got it Oct 12 18:36:58 heh Oct 12 18:37:03 lol Oct 12 18:37:11 wazd: why not opposite? Oct 12 18:37:17 :) Oct 12 18:37:32 javispedro: not so "OHMYGOD!!!11"ish :) Oct 12 18:37:37 wazd: you should run the server on the faster machine Oct 12 18:37:54 wazd: video exists Oct 12 18:38:00 Stskeeps: oh? Oct 12 18:38:10 wazd: thp made one i think, but it was from SDK to n810 Oct 12 18:39:13 Stskeeps: damn :) Oct 12 18:39:40 thoughtfix officially retires as a tablet blogger. Oct 12 18:39:51 RST38h: I want to post it on tmo, so if you can make some shots - that would be cool Oct 12 18:40:46 zerojay: Maybe he saw how many times he had been thumbed down... Oct 12 18:40:55 I hope the rumor that tmo will pick up the n900 and have a $50 unlimited plan pans out Oct 12 18:41:02 That or he was upset that he didn't get an N900... who knows. Oct 12 18:41:17 Either way, smells like butthurt to me. Oct 12 18:41:30 was he at the summit? Oct 12 18:42:01 No. Oct 12 18:42:09 Not to my knowledge. Oct 12 18:42:24 I think he did apply for sponsorship though. Oct 12 18:43:04 * timeless_mbp frowns Oct 12 18:43:09 Didn't. Oct 12 18:43:52 wazd: I cannot even build it: ThemeMaker sucks moose balls Oct 12 18:43:57 lol Oct 12 18:44:28 wazd: Somebody should really tell this guy to learn real programming language :) Oct 12 18:44:54 RST38h: Tell him yourself. He's in #maemo right now ;) Oct 12 18:44:58 RST38h: err, he's here Oct 12 18:45:00 :) Oct 12 18:45:14 who are we talking about? Oct 12 18:45:16 lol Oct 12 18:45:31 konttori__: you should learn real programming language, according to RST38h :D Oct 12 18:45:34 Where is he? Oct 12 18:45:51 people should just start learning how to use -theme-tools and -layout-5 and such. Oct 12 18:45:53 * RST38h looks around with a clear gastronomical intent Oct 12 18:46:11 konttori__: Watch out, he's going to eat you. Oct 12 18:46:18 RST38h: yeah, well, I haven't even updated the sources for a long time. Oct 12 18:46:23 anyone found the compass driver yet? Oct 12 18:46:25 Stskeeps: people *with linux* ;) Oct 12 18:46:32 konttori: I can't make a deb for wazd :( Oct 12 18:46:39 and yeah, for hobby projects, I really don't have the time to do nothing but the minimal effort. Oct 12 18:46:48 RST38h: deb for what? Oct 12 18:46:53 konttori: for a theme Oct 12 18:46:57 with what? Oct 12 18:47:50 konttori__: with TM :D Oct 12 18:47:56 what OS? Oct 12 18:47:59 Theme Maker 1.2.2 Oct 12 18:47:59 When I click on Repackage, it ends up with Oct 12 18:47:59 Error encoding from file /home/fms/Desktop/ThemeMaker1.2.2/marina/usr/share/themes/marina/images/qgn_plat_seek_bar_regular_forward_B_n.png Oct 12 18:48:25 did you first build it? Oct 12 18:48:26 vandenoever: There's no compass driver because there's no compass. Oct 12 18:48:31 also, you should click on make debigan, Oct 12 18:48:35 not on repackage Oct 12 18:48:37 konttori: Ubutu, x86, yes, I built it Oct 12 18:48:45 well, click on the make debian Oct 12 18:48:47 Ok, clicking on make debian Oct 12 18:48:57 and copy dpkg-deb from /usr/bin to your theme maker folder Oct 12 18:49:03 zerojay: oh that's shame, are there perhaps tricks to estimate xy rotation properly? Oct 12 18:49:25 vandenoever: I'm sure someone here has something up their sleves. Oct 12 18:49:26 konttori: done already Oct 12 18:49:28 dir:/home/fms/Desktop/ThemeMaker1.2.2 Oct 12 18:49:28 command:./dpkg-deb -b marina marina_all.deb Oct 12 18:49:28 exit:2 Oct 12 18:49:28 changed permissions of debian file: ThemeMaker1.2.2 Oct 12 18:49:37 konttori: no .deb file Oct 12 18:49:48 zerojay: which is why i'm asking :-) Oct 12 18:50:09 well, if you run on command line ./dpkg-deb -b marina marina_all.deb Oct 12 18:50:13 will that do the trick for you? Oct 12 18:50:14 ok Oct 12 18:50:19 dunno a moment Oct 12 18:50:22 RST38h: I could've sworn you found the answer to that last time :p Oct 12 18:50:33 * timeless_mbp frowns Oct 12 18:50:41 * timeless_mbp looks for someone who was @summit who met someone from FN Oct 12 18:50:41 qwerty: Yes but with Java every time is the first time Oct 12 18:50:52 Heh Oct 12 18:51:02 * timeless_mbp thinks it must have been Matt Oct 12 18:51:10 * javispedro wonders if there's anyone apacha xerces dev here Oct 12 18:51:16 * javispedro curses apache xerces Oct 12 18:51:24 fms@endymion:~/Desktop/ThemeMaker1.2.2$ ./dpkg-deb -b marina marina_all.deb Oct 12 18:51:24 dpkg-deb: failed to open package info file `marina/DEBIAN/control' for reading: No such file or directory Oct 12 18:51:30 konttori: No doughnut. Oct 12 18:51:33 timeless_mbp: FN? Oct 12 18:51:56 oh yeah, osx and linux work different Oct 12 18:52:16 do a mv marina/debian marina/DEBIAN Oct 12 18:52:26 konttori: marina only contains directory usr Oct 12 18:52:41 oh, then the building was not successful I suppose. Oct 12 18:52:46 hmm Oct 12 18:52:51 as it's missing the debian folder Oct 12 18:53:05 why would that be? Oct 12 18:53:22 why would what be? Oct 12 18:53:51 unsuccessful building Oct 12 18:53:55 * qwerty12_N810 senses a new tongue-twister is in the making here Oct 12 18:54:06 also, you should dl the latest theme maker (1.2.3) https://garage.maemo.org/frs/shownotes.php?release_id=2863 Oct 12 18:54:12 * RST38h tries building theme again Oct 12 18:54:18 eh, https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=36 Oct 12 18:54:41 yea, 1.2.3 did not work either, but I had some success with 1.2.2 last time Oct 12 18:54:50 I really haven't had the time to test on linux. Oct 12 18:54:55 1.2.2 says "Build successfull" but there is no marina/debian dir Oct 12 18:55:04 check console Oct 12 18:55:44 Hmm... I got it to create DEBIAN but DEBIAN/control is missing Oct 12 18:56:22 do you use sun java? Oct 12 18:56:50 Yes Oct 12 18:56:58 that's at least a relief. Oct 12 18:57:03 I thought it was write-once-run-anywhere? =) Oct 12 18:57:31 * crashanddie_ throws a bucket of water on RST38h to stop him from trolling Oct 12 18:57:40 konttori: Do not take it as insult, but if you simply wrote a C/C++ command line utility to do this, it would be much much better Oct 12 18:58:06 crashanddie_, "Maemo Council" really? :P Oct 12 18:58:12 let me know if you need code to load/save/crop .pngs, I have some Oct 12 18:58:21 GeneralAntilles, I knew you'd come back to me, what do you want in there? Oct 12 18:58:32 "Maemo Community Council" Oct 12 18:58:39 crashanddie_: Yeah, make it "Maemo.org council" Oct 12 18:59:04 RST38h: well, please make such a tool and create a UI for windows, osx and linux. I know it's not stable atm on anything else but osx, but that's just because I haven't started stabilizing it for any other os yet. Oct 12 18:59:29 Or just do it in php Oct 12 18:59:38 and jam it on a server somewhere Oct 12 18:59:42 mostly because of lack of time. So, if you want to help, I'll send you the code and you can work on making sure it runs on linux. Oct 12 18:59:47 konttori: I am too lazy+busy to create the tool itself, but as I have the code for cutting pngs already, it is yours for taking Oct 12 19:00:08 well, I'm not going to write that on c/c++. Oct 12 19:00:11 (besides you arealdy know how each piece of the theme is called :)) Oct 12 19:00:50 if anything, I would have written it on python with hindsight, but, the point for the tool atm is just maturization. Oct 12 19:01:01 to which I have about 4 hours per month time. Oct 12 19:01:10 Oh Oct 12 19:01:23 Python would probably do better than Java, ironically... Oct 12 19:01:57 time + patience. I am really dead after getting fremantle done, and really don't have the patience to hack at all in the evenings. Oct 12 19:02:25 well, python and java are both great languages and tons better than c/c++ for writing anything for UI or writing anything quickly. Oct 12 19:02:42 * konttori__ would prefer javascript over c/c++ any day Oct 12 19:03:01 konttori__: then you should learn lua Oct 12 19:03:38 wheres the code in question? i got exam week coming up so looking for anything to fill my spare time with ;P Oct 12 19:04:15 konttori: For this particular utility, C/C++ will do just fine Oct 12 19:04:27 konttori: As long as you are not doing the UI of course Oct 12 19:04:39 frals: A moment Oct 12 19:04:58 frals:Get 1.2.3 form here: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=36 Oct 12 19:05:07 frals: try to make it work under x86 Linux Oct 12 19:05:27 wazd: I am sorryL this thing just does not work =( Oct 12 19:05:46 ill have a look at it, not making any promises whatsoever ;) Oct 12 19:05:50 johnsq: I like the perf of lua, but the syntax is not really my cup of tea. It is a really powerful script language though. Oct 12 19:06:40 RST38h: well, nokia has made already a stiching tool, for the job. theme-tools or something like that if I remember right Oct 12 19:06:58 and yeah, command line is just fine for a hacker. Oct 12 19:07:27 but then again, now that you have an issue with the control file, you can just write the file and the finish by running the dpkg-deb Oct 12 19:08:39 feel free to use this as basis: http://pastebin.com/m5e1af1a0 Oct 12 19:09:22 RST38h: ehm yeah, garage seems pretty dead... ;< Oct 12 19:11:43 konttori: oh, maybe tha will work... Oct 12 19:17:42 Somebody still needs to teach Nokia how to make universal binaries Oct 12 19:18:21 Somebody needs to ditch their Mac Oct 12 19:19:12 yep Oct 12 19:19:19 Somebody's going to get theirselves hit. Oct 12 19:20:15 universal binaries? we have better: .install files that make the user device pull its preferred version Oct 12 19:20:20 No need to hit Nokia, just because they don't see the value in PPC Macs... Oct 12 19:20:34 Don't have one of those anymore. Oct 12 19:20:50 Ah, congrats Oct 12 19:20:51 GeneralAntilles: universal binaries? You mean java? :) Oct 12 19:21:05 SpeedEvil, no, I mean packages with x86 and PPC binaries. Oct 12 19:21:17 Currently Nokia is distributing two separate installers for x86 and PPC. Oct 12 19:21:25 qwerty12_N810, dual E5520. :P Oct 12 19:21:56 * qwerty12_N810 looks at his computer and sighs :( Oct 12 19:22:21 * frals pets his q9550 Oct 12 19:22:55 I wonder why #appmanager is still alive ;) Oct 12 19:22:57 Wow, yeah, that autoaim is pretty fucking hardcore, GeneralAntilles. lol Oct 12 19:23:03 Hehe Oct 12 19:23:19 zerojay, like I said on Talk. There was a time I'd call that demo "evidence". :D Oct 12 19:23:21 Instantly snaps to the other person.. wow. haha. Oct 12 19:23:27 No kidding. Oct 12 19:23:33 goodday Oct 12 19:26:14 So who's going to be the first to find Nokia's stupid boot animation? Oct 12 19:26:20 me Oct 12 19:26:32 It would be nice if one could hide the installer packages in the Application manage Oct 12 19:26:34 r Oct 12 19:26:57 what are those installer packages? Oct 12 19:27:00 I mean, who's gonna install the installer to install whatever app that installer is targeting? Oct 12 19:27:14 what is the point? Oct 12 19:27:24 * |R thinks the next 3 weeks are going to be psychological torture with everyone from the summit posting vids! Oct 12 19:27:52 not really torture... Oct 12 19:27:56 torture is like waterboarding Oct 12 19:27:58 :) Oct 12 19:28:13 RST38h: Beats me.. <41 was free of having them pre-installed :/ Oct 12 19:28:19 <|R> haha, yeah ok, i'll get "posting video of unreleased products" added to the geneva convention ;) Oct 12 19:28:40 do that Oct 12 19:28:45 then ill agree that its torture Oct 12 19:28:47 haha Oct 12 19:28:49 <|R> :P Oct 12 19:30:14 * Tadthebuilder still has not gotten around audible drm... Oct 12 19:30:32 * frals is comfort-eating saffron buns (lussebullar!) while waiting for the N900 Oct 12 19:30:35 * qwerty12_N810 gives Tadthebuilder a tape recorder ;P Oct 12 19:30:47 haha Oct 12 19:30:49 well Oct 12 19:30:55 I got my cd burner working Oct 12 19:30:58 so I can burn it and rip it Oct 12 19:31:03 Christ, Ovi goes first Oct 12 19:31:03 its a pain though Oct 12 19:31:04 ? Oct 12 19:31:07 What a ripoff. Oct 12 19:31:15 I will never buy another audible book Oct 12 19:31:33 andre__, ping? Oct 12 19:31:37 Tadthebuilder: _please_ contact the publisher to tell them this. Oct 12 19:31:39 GeneralAntilles, pong Oct 12 19:31:50 GeneralAntilles: ovi goes first? Oct 12 19:31:57 actually I may contact the author as well :) Oct 12 19:32:01 andre__, we need a 5.0 version Oct 12 19:32:09 im a regular at his blog. Oct 12 19:32:13 we need a better audiobook player Oct 12 19:32:16 Shapeshifter, Nokia demoted the application manager down a level in favor of the fucking Ovi Store. Oct 12 19:32:16 GeneralAntilles, where? Oct 12 19:32:17 as I've said before Oct 12 19:32:26 there is 5.0 for most stuff I think Oct 12 19:32:30 i did it yesterday evening Oct 12 19:32:37 andre__, ah, nevermind. Oct 12 19:32:38 if i missed something please say :) Oct 12 19:32:39 I see it. Oct 12 19:32:46 version still has not sorting Oct 12 19:32:47 sucks Oct 12 19:32:55 wait whats this about the ovi store and application manager? Oct 12 19:32:58 andre__, where do you want my critical bug about the Applications menu sorting? :P Oct 12 19:33:00 GeneralAntilles: Shit, you're right Oct 12 19:33:11 Want me to do a package that swaps them? Oct 12 19:33:15 What a slap in the face. Oct 12 19:33:19 No, I want Nokia to fix it. Oct 12 19:33:28 ah Oct 12 19:33:34 they put the nokia controlled ovi store Oct 12 19:33:39 The Ovi Store link goes to THE FUCKING BROWSER Oct 12 19:33:42 heh? just put it on my desk :-P Oct 12 19:33:48 yes, that is correct Oct 12 19:33:51 in a higher more prominent place than the application manager which is community controlled Oct 12 19:34:11 Putting it in Home, andre__. Oct 12 19:34:58 Ovi Oct 12 19:34:58 Ugh Oct 12 19:35:36 GeneralAntilles, yeah, somewhere under Desktop is always fine Oct 12 19:35:39 mh? So, there's two links, one to the application manager and one to the ovi store browser page? Oct 12 19:35:56 and the ovi one comes first Oct 12 19:35:58 on the same page. Oct 12 19:36:02 who cares >.> Oct 12 19:36:04 does this actually impede the use of the device? Oct 12 19:36:08 Shapeshifter: picture? Oct 12 19:36:15 Shapeshifter, no, the application manager is hidden away in a lower level. Oct 12 19:36:19 Shapeshifter: No, not on the same page. Oct 12 19:36:26 no, I'm asking, for clarification, I don't have any pictures... Oct 12 19:36:32 GeneralAntilles: oh I see. Oct 12 19:36:37 GeneralAntilles: well, do you have a picture? Oct 12 19:36:42 yeah. ovi store was put in a more prominent place instead. looks like nokia wants to make money with the n900 ,-)) Oct 12 19:36:55 well, sure sucks. Oct 12 19:36:58 actually i wonder why this office viewer stuff is in extras. it's just annoying trial software.... grumble. can't they dumb that into Ovi? Oct 12 19:37:02 Tadthebuilder, it's a nice slap in the face for all of the developers who've spent so much time getting their applications ready for Fremantle only to be hidden away in the back in favor of Nokia's hyperlink. Oct 12 19:37:10 ah Oct 12 19:37:12 I see Oct 12 19:37:20 andre__: there's be a FOSS one there soon Oct 12 19:37:23 doesnt that also Oct 12 19:37:23 kinda Oct 12 19:37:25 cause problems for nokia Oct 12 19:37:25 RST38h: no luck with deb? Ah, thanks anyway :) Oct 12 19:37:25 andre__: It's not trial for me (I still have the binaries of the old version)... Oct 12 19:37:29 Plus, since you can't reorganize the applications menu Oct 12 19:37:38 who expect the community to bring forward alot of software Oct 12 19:37:50 I don't want to have to tap a bunch of times to get to h-a-m Oct 12 19:38:05 Isn't that assuming that free apps can't go in the store? Oct 12 19:38:14 GeneralAntilles: You'll be told to make a shortcut on the desktop :/ Oct 12 19:38:18 GeneralAntilles: i expect someone to replace hildon-desktop :) Oct 12 19:38:18 costs you 50€ or smth to sign up for ovi store thou Oct 12 19:38:28 qwerty12_N810, uhh? Oct 12 19:38:44 GeneralAntilles, add a link to the desktop ;-) Oct 12 19:38:47 andre__: The old, old versions didn't ask for a serial :p Oct 12 19:39:14 isnt part of the problem Oct 12 19:39:18 not that it cant be worked around Oct 12 19:39:28 but that new users who are unfamilar with this community will not know of the work around? Oct 12 19:39:40 a random person who picks up the device might never even learn abotu the second source of software installation? Oct 12 19:40:09 nokia-- Oct 12 19:40:33 qwerty12_N810, so send them to me! now! if not, no cookies for you! Oct 12 19:40:34 Really, I think everyone with an application in extras-devel should become a Nokia partner. More exposure that way Oct 12 19:41:13 mh... why does hildon_entry_new return a GtkWidget* and not a HildonEntry* ? Oct 12 19:42:04 Shapeshifter: gtk is fun :) Oct 12 19:42:07 (HildonEntry*)hildon_entry_new "fixes" this, but it seems a bit random Oct 12 19:42:29 anyway it seems like with gtk you spend half of the time casting stuff. Oct 12 19:43:10 * Tadthebuilder hates audible Oct 12 19:43:23 Vote: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5346 Oct 12 19:45:41 Shapeshifter: welcome to C :) Oct 12 19:46:10 GeneralAntilles: someone was supposed to write a deb to fix that Oct 12 19:46:18 i hoped you guys would promote it to extras :) Oct 12 19:46:55 timeless_mbp: so this is a C specific property? Until recently, I've only done python + PyQt. Or is this always like this with gtk? Oct 12 19:47:17 Gtk - C is full of casts Oct 12 19:47:26 timeless_mbp: Ironically, that approach requires the user actually finding the Application manager first :) Oct 12 19:47:35 .install Oct 12 19:47:36 qwerty12_N810: not true Oct 12 19:47:41 Stskeeps++ Oct 12 19:47:43 Christ, more installer apps. Really? :\ Oct 12 19:47:58 GeneralAntilles: i'm told there were a bunch Oct 12 19:48:05 Hey, look at that, "Maemo Extras" is disabled, too. Oct 12 19:48:05 but i didn't have time to play w/ a maemo summit device Oct 12 19:48:13 viva la revolution Oct 12 19:48:14 it is? Oct 12 19:48:17 Hopefully that'll change before final release. Oct 12 19:48:18 viva la maemo Oct 12 19:48:30 ok, i'm sure this packaging guide could be better, because nothing seems to work :( Oct 12 19:49:48 timeless_mbp: Cool. I'd love to see that .install hit the Ovi Store Oct 12 19:49:59 heh Oct 12 19:50:17 * timeless_mbp kicks bluetooth Oct 12 19:50:29 how do you kick something like bluetooth? Oct 12 19:50:31 that take skill Oct 12 19:51:19 not sure Oct 12 19:51:25 it involves a certain amount of randomness Oct 12 19:51:32 sometimes you hit the wifi radio instead Oct 12 19:51:34 GeneralAntilles, can you please convince me that having app manager under "More" is a huge usability issue? because otherwise i'd realistically call it an enhancement request Oct 12 19:51:45 * andre__ playing bad cop Oct 12 19:52:01 andre__, so you've just gotten your new device out of the box and turned it on. Oct 12 19:52:20 andre__, what are YOU going to want to get to first, Ovi Store or h-a-m? Oct 12 19:52:44 andre__, also: are hyperlinks applications? Oct 12 19:52:51 Because last time I checked they weren't. ;) Oct 12 19:52:57 Hyperlinks belong on the desktop. Oct 12 19:53:03 Store implies Buying to me Oct 12 19:53:06 * RST38h would not care about either Oct 12 19:53:10 I see both Ovi Store and Maemo Select on the desktop. Oct 12 19:53:19 * RST38h would just make a phone call instead =) Oct 12 19:53:23 but I wonder how many average users know about the free apps in h-a-m Oct 12 19:53:25 Why do we need a second copy of the Ovi Store hyperlink in the __applications__ menu. Oct 12 19:54:00 maybe Calculator could be moved to More instead, then App Manager and Ovi Store can both be at first level - how does that sound? Oct 12 19:54:03 how about we wirelessly hack into everyone n900 and add it...jk Oct 12 19:54:21 GeneralAntilles: well, to "_get_ applications". Though I completely agree demoting the applications manager is daft. Oct 12 19:54:28 * RST38h does not understand what General and andre are talking about Oct 12 19:54:33 andre__, would work. Oct 12 19:54:40 andre__: +1 Oct 12 19:54:52 RST38h, Ovi Store replaced h-a-m in the root level of the applications menu. Oct 12 19:54:58 * qwerty12_N810 uses RST38h's ATI85 when he needs a calculator Oct 12 19:55:02 andre__, though I still don't think a hyperlink belongs in the applications menu. Oct 12 19:55:11 An average user will not care about installing extra apps out of the boox. He will just use this thing as a phone. Oct 12 19:55:13 General: I know. It looked weird. Oct 12 19:55:32 if you pay 600 bucks for a device Oct 12 19:55:36 you want more than to make phone calls on it Oct 12 19:55:46 if you just wanted to make phone calls youd get a 30 dollar phone Oct 12 19:55:55 General: But as I do not like this Desktop->TaskMan->Menu->More->Scroll thing in general, I do not care about its implementation details Oct 12 19:56:02 you can bet that if I paid that much for a phone i wouldbe looking for programs to install on it Oct 12 19:56:11 even if I was a bumbling idiot who knew nothing about computers Oct 12 19:56:15 General: IMHO, the whole scheme is broken, it takes too many clicks Oct 12 19:57:45 * GeneralAntilles sighs. Oct 12 20:01:26 Hey, johnx. Oct 12 20:01:40 hey GA Oct 12 20:01:46 barely alive Oct 12 20:02:01 gonna sleep for like 14 hours and see if this death-plague goes away Oct 12 20:02:14 lo johnx Oct 12 20:02:18 sick too? Oct 12 20:02:23 yeah Oct 12 20:02:25 johnx: Good luck. Oct 12 20:02:29 lovely Oct 12 20:02:33 thanks SpeedEvil Oct 12 20:02:38 * SpeedEvil hopes johnx does not wake up a Zombie. Oct 12 20:02:47 * GeneralAntilles color faxes johnx some chicken soup. Oct 12 20:03:07 hmm Oct 12 20:03:13 we may need to prepare for that speed evil Oct 12 20:03:22 GeneralAntilles: on users devices, there will be links on home to both maemo select and ovi Oct 12 20:03:23 go read zombie zurvival guide and world war z Oct 12 20:03:25 so we are prepared Oct 12 20:03:39 konttori__, thus, there's no need for the Ovi Store hyperlink in the applications menu. :) Oct 12 20:03:47 'see you after I either get well or return undead (bonus if you can tell the difference) Oct 12 20:03:50 konttori__, especially not if it's pushing h-a-m down a level. :) Oct 12 20:03:54 ovi link on the launcher was indeed a bit unfair in my opinion, but otoh, it does makes business sense. Oct 12 20:04:09 konttori__, which benefits Nokia and its commercial partners. Oct 12 20:04:17 as, that is promoting the ovi applications slightly more Oct 12 20:04:17 Not the people actually paying money to use the device. :) Oct 12 20:04:36 Can free apps go inthe ovi store? Oct 12 20:04:44 Why would you want them to for €50? Oct 12 20:05:10 just asking. diddn't know there was a fee Oct 12 20:05:30 ovi will bave both free and paid content Oct 12 20:05:47 it will also have a selection of bgs, themes, ringtones and such Oct 12 20:05:56 so, it's not only apps that will be there Oct 12 20:06:05 Hooray for Ovi's $1.99 backgrounds. <_< Oct 12 20:06:06 ok. night Oct 12 20:06:10 Welcome to cellular hell, Maemo. Oct 12 20:06:16 bgs are not paid content Oct 12 20:06:32 hehe Oct 12 20:06:40 thats why that one guy set a free backgrounds site Oct 12 20:06:44 with the cooll super mario oejns Oct 12 20:06:46 thats what Id use Oct 12 20:06:50 if I had a n900 Oct 12 20:07:03 Until sega gets annoyed and sends DCMA Oct 12 20:07:36 sega Oct 12 20:07:40 get annoyed from super mario brothers Oct 12 20:07:43 that would be strange Oct 12 20:08:02 * SpeedEvil sighs. Oct 12 20:08:06 :) Oct 12 20:08:08 sorry Oct 12 20:08:24 It does seem that alot of companies over look things like that though Oct 12 20:08:37 yeah - depending on stuff Oct 12 20:08:50 unless Oct 12 20:09:00 they want to sell one for 1.99 a piece in the ovi store Oct 12 20:10:12 * GeneralAntilles prepares to file lots of bugs tonight. Oct 12 20:11:23 * timeless_mbp has a bunch of fun bugs to file Oct 12 20:11:46 I haven't been paying any attention at all to Bugzilla in the past few months. Oct 12 20:11:53 Gonna be fun playing the "watch for dupes" game. Oct 12 20:14:14 ugh, my C is really bad :| if I get the contents of a HildonEntry* using hildon_entry_get_text(my_hildon_entry); this will return a const gchar*. How can I "save" this const *gchar as a *gchar (basically copying it), so that I don't get a " assignment discards qualifiers from pointer target type" anymore? Oct 12 20:14:36 because I don't really want the pointer to the content of the entry, but the content. Oct 12 20:14:38 zerojay, you push the backgrounds to Extras yet? Oct 12 20:15:56 ShadowJK: I guess you could g_strdup() into a new gchar* that is not const, but bear in mind that my C is very shit Oct 12 20:16:02 *shapeshifter Oct 12 20:16:06 Shapeshifter: hildon_entry_get_text() is deprecated with recent hildon Oct 12 20:16:06 Sorry, ShadowJK Oct 12 20:16:14 Shapeshifter: just use gtk_entry_get_text() Oct 12 20:16:45 tbf: okay thanks, will do that. but the issue remains. Oct 12 20:17:00 Shapeshifter: but like qwerty12_N810 said: if you want to keep a private copy, you have to g_strdup() it Oct 12 20:17:17 Shapeshifter: if not, declare your variable as "const char *" Oct 12 20:17:23 ah, qwerty12_N810, thanks. Oct 12 20:17:44 allright. Oct 12 20:17:46 * wazd listens to Queen - Somebody to Make a Theme Deb Oct 12 20:23:10 GeneralAntilles: No, not yet. I haven't gotten around to building the package in the SDK yet. Maybe tonight. Oct 12 20:23:31 blah blah blah blah still lazy. Oct 12 20:23:46 lol Oct 12 20:23:57 so, in C with gtk, my simple app is already taking up 620 lines, while the corresponding bash script has about 50. Oct 12 20:24:14 there's so much redundancy with this C gtk thing >.> Oct 12 20:24:35 evening all Oct 12 20:24:53 have just made it back, so nice to be home Oct 12 20:25:06 Hiya, lardman Oct 12 20:25:20 (the summit was great though, but I really need more sleep and less drinking!) Oct 12 20:25:25 hey qwerty12_N810 Oct 12 20:26:02 Anybody looking for a live demo. ;) http://www.umpcportal.com/live/ Oct 12 20:26:24 yaay n900 price dropped again in my favourite store. Oct 12 20:26:33 yeah GeneralAntilles, its quite nice that live demo Oct 12 20:26:42 by a blazing 50 bucks Oct 12 20:26:55 that page almost worked on the n900 as well ^^ Oct 12 20:27:20 GeneralAntilles: I heard about your passport problems. Really sorry you couldn't make it over Oct 12 20:27:37 lardman, yeah, only 28 hours late because they didn't bother to overnight it like I paid for. <_< Oct 12 20:27:39 What can you do? Oct 12 20:27:45 rubbish :( Oct 12 20:28:03 GeneralAntilles: Rampage? Oct 12 20:28:30 is there a Python interface to mapwidget? Oct 12 20:29:36 SpeedEvil, hullo, gitmo. Oct 12 20:30:05 GeneralAntilles: shave the beard before you rampage, and be careful of your headwear? Oct 12 20:30:16 I hear the sandwiches there are horrible Oct 12 20:31:22 lol Oct 12 20:32:10 ovi maps really is craptastic Oct 12 20:34:41 lardman: with calling it "craptastic" you still praise this crap Oct 12 20:34:59 tbf: right you are Oct 12 20:35:21 I was impressed that it sometimes had problems finding "Amsterdam" Oct 12 20:35:28 * qwerty12_N810 makes sure to not use that word when describing lardman's stuff Oct 12 20:35:54 qwerty12_N810: I'd take that as a complement, especially if it describes my GUI designs ;) Oct 12 20:36:09 lardman: yup. you'll have to try again later, when the map severs recovered from the shock Oct 12 20:36:25 lardman: **shock** an user! Oct 12 20:36:25 tbf: shame it doesn't let you know that that is the problem Oct 12 20:36:30 lardman: run and hide! Oct 12 20:36:36 (the servers say) Oct 12 20:37:04 lol @ comment from texrat: "users don't care about developers", well the feeling is mutual don't they know....? ;) Oct 12 20:37:11 lardman: even more nuts is, that it queries those servers for every letter you type in the search dialog Oct 12 20:37:33 lardman: well, and i really wonder why they cannot use a proper title bar Oct 12 20:37:41 oh really, that sounds very efficient Oct 12 20:37:52 cross platform with symbian or somesuch Oct 12 20:37:57 but yes Oct 12 20:38:04 lardman: i know this UI for months now and still i am very cautious when tapping those random looking icons in its weird titlebra Oct 12 20:38:11 same here Oct 12 20:38:18 afternoon ! Oct 12 20:38:28 lardman: guess it's more suffering from web 2.0 boys syndrom Oct 12 20:38:36 I wonder if we could just have the renderer api exposed and write our own Oct 12 20:38:36 GeneralAntilles: how hard do you need to press the screen? Oct 12 20:38:51 GeneralAntilles: and do you need the nail? Oct 12 20:38:53 lardman: there is no rendering API Oct 12 20:39:08 lardman: it just fetches images from the server and shows them in some AJAX UI Oct 12 20:39:19 oh, it fetches images does it? Oct 12 20:39:25 I thought it was vector based.....? Oct 12 20:39:48 lardman: have not found any evidence of that yet Oct 12 20:40:40 lardman: but i could be wrong Oct 12 20:40:48 hmm, well it renders lines rather than tiles as it downloads Oct 12 20:41:25 lardman: really? i'm sure i saw it rendering tiles. well. dunno. gave up on this crap app. Oct 12 20:41:27 it may fetch blocks of vector data perhaps? But I've not done any investigation so am just going from gut feeling Oct 12 20:41:52 lardman: my boss has contacts to some real navigation device makers and i lobbied them into lobbying them to port to maemo :-D Oct 12 20:41:56 tbf: yeah, but if we could use vector backend data, if that's what it uses, it would be a nice on-device mapping source Oct 12 20:42:08 lardman: i hope so badly that he manages to convince them. Oct 12 20:42:17 Shapeshifter, it's very sensitive. Oct 12 20:42:24 I had live shows where they ignore the chat. <_< Oct 12 20:42:38 lardman: even would pay some other 100, 150 bucks for a proper navigation software on that device Oct 12 20:42:40 Shapeshifter: You almost never would need to use a nail anymore. Oct 12 20:43:06 hem. i lobbied __him__, not "them" Oct 12 20:43:13 nice Oct 12 20:45:28 * ShadowJK 's been using his N810 with fingers/thumbs Oct 12 20:45:37 now I can't get the smudges off :( Oct 12 20:47:35 ShadowJK: purified water + a drop of vinegar essence = perfect cleaning solution Oct 12 20:47:42 + cotton cloth Oct 12 20:47:49 wtf is vinegar essence Oct 12 20:48:04 ShadowJK: mhh, concentrated vinegar used to make your own vinegar Oct 12 20:48:14 there's "wine vinegar" in the cupboard Oct 12 20:48:15 like, you mix it with apple juice and you get apple vinegar Oct 12 20:49:42 the left side of my n810 sceen is sensitive enough that even with 8 point font size I can hit the right line of text with thumb no nail most of the time Oct 12 20:50:15 just lightly touching Oct 12 20:50:18 i'm going to be so happy when i find a way to get an n900 to canada Oct 12 20:50:38 center takes serious effort to get any response at all Oct 12 20:50:52 I think others have experienced same thing with N8x0... Oct 12 20:51:11 but, does anyone remember if it was like that as new or if it came witn time Oct 12 20:51:12 * GeneralAntilles waits to see if Charbax starts ranting about how much he loves Android. Oct 12 20:58:48 last night i get to sleep with the n900 :-( Oct 12 20:58:58 0.o Oct 12 21:00:14 hmmm crash Oct 12 21:01:22 Has anyone who got an n900 tried putting on some screen protector? From past experience, does anyone have a clue how a screen protector would affect the touch screen? Oct 12 21:01:54 shouldn't make a difference Oct 12 21:02:10 but no, i didn't try Oct 12 21:02:27 I wonder if these inivisble shield kinda covers are any good... Oct 12 21:04:07 Shapeshifter, my Boxwave anti-glare had no effect on my tablets. Oct 12 21:04:14 I recommend Boxwave, personally. Oct 12 21:04:28 GeneralAntilles: okay. Oct 12 21:06:36 GeneralAntilles: gizmo does video as well on the n900? Oct 12 21:08:49 Shapeshifter, no Gizmo client yet. Oct 12 21:08:54 Built-in client doesn't do video so far. Oct 12 21:08:58 I think it may be coming later. Oct 12 21:09:23 where do i file bugs about bounce? Oct 12 21:09:41 tbf, good question. Oct 12 21:09:45 it's not kid compatible yet, 'cause they touch the screen with their thumbs too easily Oct 12 21:09:45 andre__! :P Oct 12 21:09:57 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh6oGwOMVeY Oct 12 21:10:05 so probably some border on left and right should be insensitive Oct 12 21:12:11 I have an invisibleshield on my ATT Tilt, Shapeshifter Oct 12 21:12:21 it's not exactly as scratch resistant as they say Oct 12 21:12:28 and I actually wouldn't recommend it as a screen protector Oct 12 21:12:42 it's very grippy, which is nice for the outside surfaces Oct 12 21:12:56 but it's bad if you actually want to slide around on a surface, like on a screen Oct 12 21:13:38 jkk seems to be a bit... uhm... dumb? Oct 12 21:13:40 Personally I like to go to dealextreme - and pick up 4 or 5 protectors for the display cheap Oct 12 21:13:43 and just swap them Oct 12 21:13:49 Idiot Oct 12 21:14:13 >.> I mean seriously, complaining about not being able to change things as a noob - well, of course you can't. but you can't change things on a closed system _at all_ Oct 12 21:15:30 he's not understanding the usage of *open* Oct 12 21:15:47 *rolleyes Oct 12 21:15:53 No kidding, he's clueless. Oct 12 21:16:05 and I find it rather offensive that he's impinging my willingness to help newbies. Oct 12 21:16:14 When I've spent hundreds of hours doing so. Oct 12 21:16:19 yeah Oct 12 21:16:25 and if you are not willing to even try to learn something new, the old familiar winmo is obviously gonna be easier for you Oct 12 21:17:25 the n900 is about 60% of the price of a 3gs >.> at least here. Oct 12 21:19:03 Well, at least I learned that JKKMobile is clueless. ;) Oct 12 21:19:12 ack Oct 12 21:19:20 qwerty12_N810, ping? Oct 12 21:19:31 GeneralAntilles: Yep? Oct 12 21:20:11 qwerty12_N810, where do I drop the .pk3s? Oct 12 21:20:33 GeneralAntilles: /home/user/baseq3 Oct 12 21:20:33 tbf, Bounce is nothing official Oct 12 21:20:54 andre__: i know. that's why i have to ask ;-) Oct 12 21:21:01 but not me.... Oct 12 21:21:05 GeneralAntilles: But you may wanna symlink the pk3s from MyDocs into there instead... Oct 12 21:21:13 maintainer address of package :-P Oct 12 21:22:09 andre__: i just asked lazychat, the general fingered you ;-) Oct 12 21:22:42 what a windows fanboi. Oct 12 21:22:43 hehe Oct 12 21:23:18 andre__: we really should support accepting bugs Oct 12 21:23:21 I like him laughing when I mentioned open. Oct 12 21:23:26 and he's right, bounce did have that problem Oct 12 21:23:28 It's Navicore all over again, andre__. Oct 12 21:23:45 GeneralAntilles: btw, navicore is better than nokia maps :) Oct 12 21:23:56 timeless_mbp, yes, so I've noticed. Oct 12 21:24:04 but oddly Oct 12 21:24:05 sigh then. Oct 12 21:24:10 they agreed to fix some of my strings :) Oct 12 21:24:16 "Ok" will not be written as such :) Oct 12 21:24:21 (one small victory) Oct 12 21:24:32 yerga: Wow, nice job with the Fremantle version of StockThis! Oct 12 21:25:23 yeah, it's sweet Oct 12 21:26:32 hmm. the fremantle port of maemo mapper is not in -devel yet :-/ Oct 12 21:27:10 so... Oct 12 21:27:13 speaking of Ovi Store Oct 12 21:27:20 if you go to store.ovi.com Oct 12 21:27:27 don't speak of the devil Oct 12 21:27:38 you'll find that we don't translate "Store" in French or German Oct 12 21:27:42 suihkulokki: he's just behind you Oct 12 21:27:53 anyone want to bet whether we do in the n900? Oct 12 21:28:54 timeless_mbp: it will become "ovi Lager" for sure Oct 12 21:28:59 What? Oct 12 21:29:02 harhar Oct 12 21:29:03 laden.ovi.com? Oct 12 21:29:15 i thought it was ovi aldi or something :P Oct 12 21:29:19 "Ovi Kolonialwarenhandel" Oct 12 21:29:38 range: you overestimate the german language team Oct 12 21:30:07 Stskeeps: Haha. Oct 12 21:30:16 so when can i go buy n900 Oct 12 21:30:21 Ceron^: now Oct 12 21:30:21 ;___; Oct 12 21:30:29 range: you can download binaries at bin.laden.ovi.de Oct 12 21:30:34 :D Oct 12 21:30:39 binaries for DESTRUCTION :D Oct 12 21:30:39 rofl Oct 12 21:31:00 interesting Oct 12 21:31:09 so we don't translate it for french or german on our device either Oct 12 21:31:13 Store is Store in the German version Oct 12 21:31:25 yeah Oct 12 21:31:27 kind of surprises me after seeing the worst german translations Oct 12 21:31:28 oh cute Oct 12 21:31:29 but in finalnd its Kauppa Oct 12 21:31:31 finland Oct 12 21:31:34 Ovi Kauppa Oct 12 21:31:39 Door Store Oct 12 21:31:40 FR CA does translate it ! Oct 12 21:31:57 my karma royally sucks. :( Oct 12 21:32:06 in Czech it's also translated (Obchod which means Shop) Oct 12 21:32:49 andre__: yeah, i'm reading the po's :) Oct 12 21:32:57 or perhaps i'm reading msgunfmt mo's Oct 12 21:33:05 whatever, anyone w/ a device can do it :) Oct 12 21:33:08 qwerty12_N810, not launch. <_< Oct 12 21:33:11 launching* Oct 12 21:33:33 http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/090924/tecnology/ctech_us_nokia_brazil Oct 12 21:33:40 ufail Oct 12 21:34:04 Ouvi Divulgacao e Marketing em Celulares Ltda Oct 12 21:34:05 "What Nokia apparently has not realized is that the 190 million inhabitants of Brazil speak Portuguese and not Finnish," said Tore Haugland, chief executive of Ouvi, which is owned by Norwegian investment firm Diem Telekom. Oct 12 21:34:06 Hmm. A store in german is a certain kind of curtain. Oct 12 21:34:26 GeneralAntilles: Using symlinks? Oct 12 21:35:13 ovi means door? So it is a curtain for a door? Oct 12 21:35:15 qwerty12_N810, yeah. Oct 12 21:35:46 Ah, no wonder. Oct 12 21:35:51 Copied the wrong stuff over. Oct 12 21:35:52 Carry on. :D Oct 12 21:35:59 timeless_mbp, what's that weird quote refering to? Oct 12 21:36:07 url above Oct 12 21:36:09 ah Oct 12 21:36:26 too many conversations at the same time... Oct 12 21:36:27 it's an awesome quote Oct 12 21:36:58 Someone needs to tell konttori_ that the Type field in a desktop file does not go at the bottom... Oct 12 21:37:09 SpeedEvil: http://www.kuvalauta.fi/b/src/12553815307.jpg Oct 12 21:37:19 now give me n900 ;) Oct 12 21:37:49 who is she? Oct 12 21:38:05 Ceron^: I can get you a picture of one. Sound fair? Oct 12 21:38:27 nah, ;\ Oct 12 21:38:38 Ceron^: you can buy one now - in your local nokia webshop. Oct 12 21:38:40 Ceron^: aw, come join #idonthaveann900 Oct 12 21:38:45 Ceron^: It won't of course be delivered now. Oct 12 21:39:08 am i delaying the phone by asking about it? Oct 12 21:39:14 you guys fixing the bugs! Oct 12 21:39:20 there's a 50% chance you are. Oct 12 21:39:21 Ceron^: did you take that pic with n900? Oct 12 21:39:27 Ceron^, no, just maintaining them actually Oct 12 21:39:51 vandenoever: sure ;=) il tell you her name for another n900 Oct 12 21:40:07 qwerty12_N810: you're evil. Oct 12 21:40:08 dinner time Oct 12 21:40:32 javispedro: yep, and I'm still grinning Oct 12 21:40:42 Ah, there it goes. Oct 12 21:40:42 :'( Oct 12 21:41:42 * javispedro goes back to cursing xerces Oct 12 21:42:24 ugh Oct 12 21:42:28 perl.. another scripting abortion Oct 12 21:42:40 hmm, wonder if you get a dbus signal when theres an incoming sms Oct 12 21:42:52 clueless people should be disallowed to report about open platforms. Oct 12 21:43:22 Ceron^: no thank you Oct 12 21:43:32 every time i think of perl it reminds me of years ago when this perl "developer" brought in his redhat box which had a broken hard drive Oct 12 21:44:05 and i explained to him the hard drive was broken and i doubt it coudl be saved and that we would reinstall redhat on a new drive for him. and when he got the system back he was askign "where did my perl stuff go?" Oct 12 21:44:19 * Macer looked around his office for a perl for dummies book Oct 12 21:44:27 does theremin works on latest maemo? it gives me a segment fault Oct 12 21:44:46 bah, I give up trying to get any sort of 3d accel in Xephyr :| Oct 12 21:45:27 Shapeshifter, it's sad. Oct 12 21:45:41 Shapeshifter, the worse part is that their preconceptions and bias means they will never listen to reason. Oct 12 21:45:43 Does anyone know of a "Maemo 5 Emulator" called Zephyr? sigh. Oct 12 21:45:48 Did you see jkk laugh when I mentioned open source? Oct 12 21:46:34 GeneralAntilles: no. but what I read was enough >.> What ignorance Oct 12 21:46:42 really bugs me. Oct 12 21:46:49 i think arrogance would be a better choice of word Oct 12 21:46:54 :) Oct 12 21:47:07 but then again ignorance and arrogance walk hand in hand Oct 12 21:47:32 Shapeshifter, it was really condescending. ;) Oct 12 21:47:44 "I'm too dumb to learn a new device, therefore, an open system is inferior to a closed one, because with open systems, the community calls you ignorant if you're ignorant" Oct 12 21:47:46 >.> Oct 12 21:48:08 oh, and of course community support is virtually non-existing anyway Oct 12 21:48:11 >.> Oct 12 21:48:12 <.< Oct 12 21:48:17 I demand URL! Oct 12 21:48:21 you all don't exist. Oct 12 21:48:24 stop talking. Oct 12 21:48:31 Damn, I have a freaking full drawn theme and can't build it! Oct 12 21:48:41 Why world hates me :( Oct 12 21:49:58 wazd: that ThemeMaker problem? Oct 12 21:50:17 javispedro: yep Oct 12 21:50:18 javispedro, do to get glx you killed the main X :0 then started one just for scratchbox? Oct 12 21:50:21 *so Oct 12 21:50:46 wazd: tell RST38h to forget his Java hateness for a day and to fix the issue, should be easy enough considering OS X and Linux should be nearly same. ;) Oct 12 21:51:10 Firebird: yep Oct 12 21:51:27 the reason was to prove that Xephyr is not related at all to color channel's bug. Oct 12 21:51:41 and also see how accelerated Fremantle was :) Oct 12 21:52:04 hi Oct 12 21:52:29 javispedro: That's a little hardcore when you could've just gotten an... oh, wait Oct 12 21:52:49 Firebird: the reason Xephyr GLX passthrough doesn't work in my system is because too old version, and trying to build a newer xorg means pulling too many dependencies for my debian lenny. Oct 12 21:53:03 using QtNetwork in my app causes a QMaemoInternetConnectivity error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NotSupported "Unsupported interface or method" Oct 12 21:53:04 Firebird: but you may want to try the newest Xephyr and maybe Xglx Oct 12 21:53:09 are there any docs on that? Oct 12 21:53:22 qwerty12_N810: qwerty12_N810.evilJavaPoints++; Oct 12 21:53:49 * qwerty12_N810 doesn't drink tea/coffee Oct 12 21:54:12 iv drip ? Oct 12 21:54:27 Sometimes Oct 12 21:55:17 Hi Oct 12 21:55:19 mmm, coffee. Oct 12 21:55:43 Quake 3 controls are way too sensitive here. Oct 12 21:55:51 Anyone have a n770 or n800 they want to sell? Oct 12 21:56:09 You really do not want an 770 :) Oct 12 21:56:12 *a Oct 12 21:56:37 qwerty12_N810 - Well I don Oct 12 21:56:39 q3a should use digital compass or g-sensor :) Oct 12 21:56:47 what digital compass? Oct 12 21:56:48 *t need GPS or Keyboard in the n810 Oct 12 21:57:00 g-sensor then Oct 12 21:57:09 I wonder how tmo people are so optimist on the compass issue. Oct 12 21:57:13 qwerty12_N810 - Just something for reading Oct 12 21:57:38 woilok: Go for the N800, then. Google "770" and "WSOD" :) Oct 12 21:58:05 ahhhhhhhh Oct 12 21:58:11 no WSOD for the N800? Oct 12 21:58:30 woilok: on n800 it's pink Oct 12 21:58:45 That's cute atleast Oct 12 21:58:58 Anyone have a Nokia N800 for sale then? Oct 12 21:59:16 woilok: yep, you can place it on your belt and hook chicks in da club :D Oct 12 22:00:01 wazd - already thought of doing that Oct 12 22:00:30 On talk.maemo.org how long do I have to wait before I can send private messages? Oct 12 22:00:44 Cause I just signed up there but I dont have permission to send PM's yet Oct 12 22:00:48 5 posts minimum, I believe Oct 12 22:00:52 OK Oct 12 22:00:57 Going to make posts now :P Oct 12 22:01:05 Thanks qwerty12_N810 Oct 12 22:01:38 night all Oct 12 22:01:47 qwerty12_N810: btw, I think I saw you packing themes Oct 12 22:02:15 qwerty12_N810: now he is going to start making meaningless posts Oct 12 22:02:16 haha Oct 12 22:02:22 "I like maemo!" Oct 12 22:02:33 "When will the n900 be available?" :) Oct 12 22:02:38 "I don't have an N900!" Oct 12 22:02:42 hahaha Oct 12 22:02:51 "is it may-mo or mai-mo?" Oct 12 22:02:59 lol Oct 12 22:03:01 wazd: I did wallpapers, for zerojay, but I can do themes if no one else rises to the Java challenge :) Oct 12 22:03:04 zerojay: i usually say mee moe Oct 12 22:03:05 is maemo fully open? Oct 12 22:03:14 don't the fins say meemoe? Oct 12 22:03:18 "No portrait?!" Oct 12 22:03:21 hahaha Oct 12 22:03:27 we need t ostop giving him ideas Oct 12 22:03:29 Macer: Yep, ironic considering that 5 posts rule is there because of spam :p Oct 12 22:03:32 "I guess theres a 50% chance the final device has a compass" Oct 12 22:03:36 lol Oct 12 22:03:41 qwerty12_N810: hahahaha Oct 12 22:03:43 go figure Oct 12 22:03:56 qwerty12_N810: can you see any? :D Oct 12 22:04:00 so instead of spaming only individuals Oct 12 22:04:04 Just 3 more posts to go Oct 12 22:04:05 get get to spam the forums AND the users! Oct 12 22:04:09 awesome strategy :) Oct 12 22:04:12 wazd: Erm, good question :p Oct 12 22:04:23 i guess teh goal is to WORK for the spam Oct 12 22:04:36 wazd: It's 11PM here and I'm computer-less so I'll have to look tomorrow :) Oct 12 22:05:10 you have your n810! Oct 12 22:05:11 qwerty12_N810: all computers in england disappear at 10PM? :D Oct 12 22:05:13 that's computer enough! Oct 12 22:05:16 :) Oct 12 22:05:18 what does a guy have to do to get an n900 in this country o.O Oct 12 22:05:27 in uk ? Oct 12 22:05:32 it's like Oct 12 22:05:35 oooh, you Oct 12 22:05:42 you're in canada? Oct 12 22:05:48 that'll be a thousand bucks Oct 12 22:05:52 code177: that should say it all :) Oct 12 22:06:03 code177: which means in the US they'll be 1200 Oct 12 22:06:05 haha Oct 12 22:06:10 wazd: I call it the "parent problem" :) Oct 12 22:06:27 code177: I hate that we have to pay just to import things. Ugh. Oct 12 22:06:29 I'm getting increasingly tempted to order one to somewhere in the US and just go down and get it =/ Oct 12 22:06:43 code177: close to detroit? Oct 12 22:06:49 My N900 cost me $30... which isn't bad, but they once charged me $120 for a computer that cost that much. Oct 12 22:06:53 does canada really pay that much in an import fee? Oct 12 22:06:58 what happened to free trade? :) Oct 12 22:06:58 Macer: I remember you trying to package on the N810... Please :p Oct 12 22:07:01 nope, I'm in vancouver Oct 12 22:07:10 qwerty12_N810: hahahaha Oct 12 22:07:12 code177: Meet up with qole. Oct 12 22:07:22 is the N900 shipping in the US yet? Oct 12 22:07:23 qwerty12_N810: don't remind me. it's something i am trying to forget Oct 12 22:07:27 ds3: No. Oct 12 22:07:36 i can package on the touchbook :) Oct 12 22:07:39 is the N900 FCC approved yet? ;) Oct 12 22:07:40 haha Oct 12 22:07:55 so far the touchbook is fail Oct 12 22:07:56 ds3, been approved for a while. Oct 12 22:08:03 ds3, not shipping yet. Oct 12 22:08:11 IT NEEDS MER! :-D Oct 12 22:08:15 so it is potentially shippable Oct 12 22:08:27 I'd say it'll ship soon. Oct 12 22:08:35 GeneralAntilles: i sure hope so Oct 12 22:08:35 is there decent pictures of it up yet? Oct 12 22:08:37 zerojay: and what, mug him? ;) Oct 12 22:08:38 i really want to get one :) Oct 12 22:08:53 yeah. where are all the pictures? Oct 12 22:09:04 * Macer wants to see n900 pics that aren't renders Oct 12 22:09:10 code177: lol Oct 12 22:09:19 my priority for my n900 is getting final fantasy 7 running Oct 12 22:09:19 or is this a massive conspired lie Oct 12 22:09:27 so I can play it on the plane back to england this christmas Oct 12 22:09:29 code177: please please don't Oct 12 22:09:30 code177: ff X ! Oct 12 22:09:35 screw 7 :) Oct 12 22:09:38 8 was good to Oct 12 22:09:39 i'll never get work done again Oct 12 22:09:40 too Oct 12 22:09:43 whatever Macer, 7 was the best. Oct 12 22:09:46 period. Oct 12 22:09:47 lol Oct 12 22:09:49 lies Oct 12 22:09:50 :) Oct 12 22:09:54 7 wasn't 3D Oct 12 22:09:56 heh Oct 12 22:09:58 guess nobody's interested in floating-point Oct 12 22:09:59 it sort of was Oct 12 22:10:07 Made 5 posts Oct 12 22:10:08 7 would run nicely though, I think Oct 12 22:10:09 6 actually Oct 12 22:10:17 woilok: inertia? :D Oct 12 22:10:18 scrwe that... ff1! Oct 12 22:10:19 But no "private message" ability :( Oct 12 22:10:22 lol Oct 12 22:10:31 hahahhaha Oct 12 22:10:38 told you :) Oct 12 22:10:39 hey also side note Oct 12 22:10:44 "How do you pronounce maemo?" Oct 12 22:10:52 side side note, i forgot how much irc destroys my grammar Oct 12 22:10:54 määämo Oct 12 22:11:04 woilok: Sorry, it may be 10 then. But I'm not BSing you, I promise that there really is a post limit :p Oct 12 22:11:08 but actual side note, there's 585 wallpapers up now :) Oct 12 22:11:11 i'm going to be american and say MayMoe Oct 12 22:11:29 like linux is lie-nux Oct 12 22:11:43 lie? :| Oct 12 22:11:49 Macer: it is more mai-mooo Oct 12 22:11:50 Any of you Virtualbox users out there know how I can share a folder with my virtualbox session from Linux? Oct 12 22:11:55 * GeneralAntilles doesn't know why anybody would buy Archos. Oct 12 22:12:04 one o means it is a long o at the end of a word Oct 12 22:12:04 according to the Finnish people at the summit Oct 12 22:12:05 meemoo? Oct 12 22:12:06 code177: run script that will find every single image on the internets that's >= 800x480 and makes it a wallpaper Oct 12 22:12:18 wazd: don't tempt me Oct 12 22:12:19 lol Oct 12 22:12:24 code177: not mee, more mai, like in German maier Oct 12 22:12:25 ooh I remember what I was going to do Oct 12 22:12:29 zerojay: just enable a ressource in the settings, and browse the network on the client Oct 12 22:12:38 I was going to change the attribute/credit fields Oct 12 22:12:43 hmm Oct 12 22:13:00 code177: I have a cool wallpaper btw, but I'll upload it when my theme will be ready :) Oct 12 22:13:10 wazd: awesome :) Oct 12 22:13:40 code177: http://s43.radikal.ru/i099/0910/38/7d9d938f9f9c.jpg Oct 12 22:13:47 Shapeshifter: I created a shared folder, but I don't see it in my hosted session. Oct 12 22:13:55 bubbles! Oct 12 22:13:57 zerojay: what client? Oct 12 22:14:20 Ah, gst-gsp nice. Oct 12 22:14:32 hmm Oct 12 22:14:33 is the n900 probably going to come to a us carrier? Oct 12 22:14:41 s/gsp/dst/ Oct 12 22:14:41 GeneralAntilles meant: Ah, gst-dst nice. Oct 12 22:14:44 Shapeshifter: Within Virtualbox itself. Oct 12 22:14:47 I think woilok is from Russia :D Oct 12 22:15:08 solarion: When we know, you'll know. Oct 12 22:15:12 but maybe not Oct 12 22:15:13 Ah, great, Extras WONT ship enabled. Oct 12 22:15:20 Well that was a lot of time and effort for nothing. Oct 12 22:15:24 What? Oct 12 22:15:26 Are you serious? Oct 12 22:15:29 * solarion hopes so Oct 12 22:15:31 WHAT?! Oct 12 22:15:42 Where did you hear that? Oct 12 22:15:44 Nokia, reneging again. Oct 12 22:15:57 http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3279 Oct 12 22:15:58 any rationale behind the decision? Oct 12 22:16:11 "WE WANT PEOPLE TO USE OVI!!" Oct 12 22:16:12 ? Oct 12 22:16:44 * javispedro sighs. Oct 12 22:16:56 * GeneralAntilles really hates Nokia. Oct 12 22:16:58 won't people go exploring the package manager though? Oct 12 22:17:17 Firebird, h-a-m got demoted too. :roll: Oct 12 22:17:22 GeneralAntilles: Please give Nokia one of your famous responses Oct 12 22:17:35 reliable QA process Oct 12 22:17:46 have they seen fucking Amazon widget?! Oct 12 22:17:56 GeneralAntilles, demoted? Oct 12 22:17:58 qwerty12_N810, no energy left for that. Oct 12 22:18:12 Firebird, they replaced it with Ovi Store in the root level of the applications manager. Oct 12 22:18:17 Which is just a freaking hyperlink. Oct 12 22:18:21 er Oct 12 22:18:24 s/manager/menu/ Oct 12 22:18:36 hmmm, makes me wonder whether buying an n900 is worth it Oct 12 22:18:37 wazd, they don't care if they're hypocrits. Oct 12 22:18:43 oh, so the h-a-m isn't in the app menu anymore? Oct 12 22:18:52 It's hidden down a level. Oct 12 22:18:54 MrGoose1: probably not. Oct 12 22:19:02 GeneralAntilles, under "More" ? Oct 12 22:19:05 MrGoose1: sure not Oct 12 22:19:07 Yeah Oct 12 22:19:29 Why didn't anybody bring some frozen trout to the Summit? Oct 12 22:19:43 even more clear marketdroids have realized they have something between hands. Oct 12 22:19:53 I dunno who the managers at Nokia are that keep screwing us over but they need to get the whole can. :\ Oct 12 22:20:19 GeneralAntilles: and let me guess, Foreca will be distributed thru Ovi Oct 12 22:20:30 ok Oct 12 22:20:32 ovi = money = win for nokia? Oct 12 22:20:38 preinstalled wazd, preinstalled ;) Oct 12 22:20:43 3rd world countries should be exempt as being official repositories Oct 12 22:20:52 Foreca isn't preinstalled. Oct 12 22:21:03 blarg, this Xgl stuff is too much, /me gives up and uses the SDK un accelerated Oct 12 22:21:07 * Macer starts to remove all of the eastern european countries from his repo list Oct 12 22:21:18 The shortcut which installs Foreca from the app manager IS preinstalled. Oct 12 22:21:25 fbsd is trying to download a file from .cz Oct 12 22:21:39 So? Oct 12 22:21:40 zerojay: just teasing poor wazd :) Oct 12 22:21:42 quim gil says "If the Maemo community is able to put a decent QA process in place for Extras, Oct 12 22:21:45 then Nokia will trust it and enable this reository by default. This is the Oct 12 22:21:47 desired scenario for everybody, but requires work (and Nokia is willing to help Oct 12 22:21:48 sorry spam >.> Oct 12 22:21:50 e.g. funding the work needed)." Oct 12 22:22:05 so apparently, if a QA goes in place, it should be enabled. Oct 12 22:22:07 I thought we already had a "decent" qa process Oct 12 22:22:16 haha Oct 12 22:22:21 like android? :) Oct 12 22:22:23 javispedro: hate you :D Oct 12 22:22:34 Firebird, so did I. Oct 12 22:22:38 with its horrible market Oct 12 22:22:42 no, like the one on maemo.org/packages Oct 12 22:22:43 * javispedro wins one extra Evil point. take that qwerty12! Oct 12 22:22:50 I though the legal warning were going to be less obnoxious in Fremantle. Oct 12 22:22:54 That didn't pan out either. Oct 12 22:22:57 javispedro: seriously, we have a bunch of such cool ideas that user will learn how to enable extras just to install OMWeather :D Oct 12 22:23:06 so how'd the n900/arduino hacking competition go? Oct 12 22:23:15 * qwerty12_N810 considers sending javispedro a picture of the N900 in his hands Oct 12 22:23:17 * Firebird never bothered reading the legal stuff on his N810 Oct 12 22:23:35 wazd: at least OMweather is in maemo-select. :P Oct 12 22:24:07 but really, QA process! Oct 12 22:24:33 Sounds like a joke Oct 12 22:24:56 They just wanted to see if they could get us to do it. Oct 12 22:25:02 "mass user"-ification. Oct 12 22:25:11 you get what you ask for :) Oct 12 22:25:32 http://maemo.nokia.com/images/app-screens/cache/amazon-screens-500x300.jpg <- Quality Oct 12 22:25:39 I'm not sure what the point of disabling it is anyway. Oct 12 22:25:47 It's not like Maemo Select isn't right there on the desktop. Oct 12 22:25:50 to protect users? Oct 12 22:26:00 GeneralAntilles: so that people don't brick their phones Oct 12 22:26:02 http://maemo.nokia.com/images/app-screens/cache/ap-screen-500x300.jpg <- maybe this is quality Oct 12 22:26:13 brick on a noob level Oct 12 22:26:26 http://maemo.nokia.com/images/app-screens/cache/facebook-screen-500x300.jpg <- or this Oct 12 22:26:27 easy. why does Dataviz offer DocsToGo when they have seen how easily KOffice can be ported? Oct 12 22:26:30 Shapeshifter, how is shipping Extras disabled preventing brickings? Oct 12 22:26:46 because DataViz/Nokia knows KOffice will remain a geek thing. Nokia will take care of that. Oct 12 22:26:47 http://maemo.nokia.com/images/app-screens/cache/fring-screen-311x166.jpg <- no commentws Oct 12 22:26:51 Well, I do hope someone uploads a dodgy app to Ovi just to teach Nokia. Oct 12 22:27:10 GeneralAntilles: it's an excuse Oct 12 22:27:47 wow, so many things already in the fremantle QA, I should probably hop on board :o Oct 12 22:28:09 qwerty12_N810: like dog porn feeder :D Oct 12 22:28:25 qwerty12_N810: gnaughty. Oct 12 22:28:32 wazd: I like that idea... Oct 12 22:28:49 javispedro: haha, I'm still waiting for your port Oct 12 22:29:33 (of course, including x11vnc with it is not needed any more, but...) Oct 12 22:29:56 uh? Oct 12 22:30:48 qwerty12_N810: or redtube plugin for MAF :D Oct 12 22:31:23 Aim higher: RedTube plugin for the desktop! Oct 12 22:31:28 lol Oct 12 22:31:48 Someone say "redtube"? Oct 12 22:31:55 qwerty12_N810 , +1 :P Oct 12 22:33:09 Somebody should do a calculator applet. Oct 12 22:33:33 RedTube applet has higher priority Oct 12 22:34:22 GAN900: who needs calculator when you have redtube?! Oct 12 22:34:34 Me? Oct 12 22:34:44 Although, I think someone made a one-line one for OS2008: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/pyculator/ Oct 12 22:34:48 GAN900: quick tip: place calc shortcut to the desktop Oct 12 22:34:55 GAN900, what are you using in the N900 for IRC ? Oct 12 22:35:15 XChat Oct 12 22:35:36 VDVsx, how was your roommate? ;) Oct 12 22:35:44 GAN900, how was yours? Oct 12 22:35:45 * qwerty12_N810 will upload XXXChat to Ovi, and integrate VDVsx's library into it Oct 12 22:36:01 He's a dumbass. Oct 12 22:36:22 lol Oct 12 22:37:05 Ovi on S60 is so horrifying. Oct 12 22:37:14 GAN900: so you've made it to the summit? :) Oct 12 22:37:22 ls Oct 12 22:37:31 I don't think the summit was full of dumbasses. Oct 12 22:37:44 ls: IRC: usuk Oct 12 22:37:52 javispedro: beauty is in the eye of the beholder :) Oct 12 22:37:59 damn i want to get some taco bell but it's rush hour Oct 12 22:38:00 wazd, passport was 28 hours late Oct 12 22:38:01 and raining Oct 12 22:38:08 it would be faster to walk there Oct 12 22:38:24 I wonder if Ovi for Maemo will be any better. Oct 12 22:38:29 no. Oct 12 22:38:46 GAN900, was fine ;), timeless gave me the N1000 :P Oct 12 22:39:12 Bastard! Oct 12 22:39:16 lol Oct 12 22:39:26 dammit Oct 12 22:39:28 The Maeminatrix. Did she try to kill you after you tried to install non-DRM'd app? Oct 12 22:39:30 I've started trolling tmo Oct 12 22:39:40 anybody watch the philanthropist? Oct 12 22:39:46 * GAN900 high-fives crashanddie. Oct 12 22:39:52 is that like the mentalist on steroids? Oct 12 22:39:53 samppa: please, please, please, use maemo-optify on mplayer Oct 12 22:40:00 Did anybody get xmodmap working at the Summit? Oct 12 22:40:13 the keyboard stuff? Oct 12 22:40:34 Yeah Oct 12 22:40:35 don't think so, but Khertan said he remaped ctrl + space to be tab Oct 12 22:40:41 I want tab Oct 12 22:40:43 How? Oct 12 22:40:46 just by editing a text file Oct 12 22:40:54 don't remember which one, I was drunk Oct 12 22:41:09 I couldn't get it to take changes to the symbol file Oct 12 22:41:15 xmodmap? Oct 12 22:41:29 nvm Oct 12 22:41:41 It does seem to play nice with whatever evil shit Nokia did. Oct 12 22:42:09 I'm thinking about writing a LinkedIn app Oct 12 22:42:42 create a new contact, invite him on LinkedIn immediately (or facebook/whatever) Oct 12 22:43:00 bloody hell, it's like everyone from the summit is looking at their LinkedIn at the same time Oct 12 22:43:19 VDVsx, jussi, harri, kees, they're all accepting at the same time Oct 12 22:44:00 eheh Oct 12 22:44:46 So.. guys Oct 12 22:44:53 does anybody know if there has been any progress with a PSX emu on the n900 yet? Oct 12 22:45:05 crashanddie, I'm running through my 300+ e-mail at the moment :( Oct 12 22:45:06 I can't find out anything useful on TMO or google Oct 12 22:45:54 code177, afaik, anyone in the community is working on this Oct 12 22:46:09 .. Oct 12 22:46:13 but the pandora guys are (same chip as the n900) Oct 12 22:46:28 did you mean nobody in the commity? Oct 12 22:46:28 http://timecapsuledead.org/ <- lulz Oct 12 22:46:31 *community Oct 12 22:47:26 code177, yeah, nobody, but I can be wrong Oct 12 22:47:52 well.. that sucks. Oct 12 22:47:54 and I'm referring to the Maemo community of course Oct 12 22:47:58 I wonder how compatible pandora would be Oct 12 22:48:04 the pandora version i mean Oct 12 22:48:32 code177: I think it will be near full compatible Oct 12 22:48:45 code177: if not fully Oct 12 22:48:59 code177, me too ;) Oct 12 22:49:14 awesome! Oct 12 22:49:35 qwerty12_N810: Working on packaging my stuff up myself. What kind of package do I tell dh_make it is? Oct 12 22:50:11 zerojay: single binary Oct 12 22:50:37 ok Oct 12 22:52:15 test Oct 12 22:53:06 Testies, 1 2. Oct 12 22:53:14 Something I said? :/ Oct 12 22:53:21 yes Oct 12 22:53:30 you forgot his third, mean Oct 12 22:53:37 zerojay, do it right. Oct 12 22:54:25 i boot windows for the first time in months and it hangs at startup Oct 12 22:55:13 GAN900: I'm working on it. Should be done soonish. Oct 12 22:56:17 javispedro: you hate windows - windows hates you :) Oct 12 22:56:46 * javispedro hits reset button Oct 12 22:56:51 In Soviet Russia, perhaps... Oct 12 22:56:55 i had to find it, dammit Oct 12 22:57:07 all glory to magic sysrq Oct 12 22:58:42 zerojay, yeah, but is it done now? Oct 12 23:01:24 GAN900: I'm in the middle of editing a few of the files needed for the packaging, like control. Oct 12 23:02:36 blah blah blah still lazy. :P Oct 12 23:03:39 oh you can talk mister I don't do squat Oct 12 23:04:06 blah blah blah jealous. Oct 12 23:15:05 garage.m.o down for anyone else? Oct 12 23:19:09 not very up at least Oct 12 23:20:39 where are the photos of N900-inside? with all cans removed and really closeup macro so you can read the chips names Oct 12 23:21:38 gimme a pointer to these photos, and 30min later I tell you what we might expect from usb-hostmode Oct 12 23:23:47 DocScrutinizer, it won't happen Oct 12 23:23:57 ugh Oct 12 23:24:15 why not? (lol) NDA? Oct 12 23:24:18 i changed the attribution system on these wallpapers and now i have to go back through them all and update them =/ Oct 12 23:24:32 DocScrutinizer, no, the hardware doesn't allow for it Oct 12 23:24:49 please elaborate Oct 12 23:24:56 DocScrutinizer, usb charging is a solid XOR with host mode Oct 12 23:25:07 not really Oct 12 23:25:10 simply put, you can't have a port that supports host mode and usb charging Oct 12 23:25:13 see OM FR Oct 12 23:26:08 well, I had 3 Nokia hardware engineers tell me that Oct 12 23:26:23 and one ARM guy too Oct 12 23:26:39 You can, actually. Oct 12 23:26:54 not on this device apparently Oct 12 23:26:59 The USB hardware we have supports it. Oct 12 23:27:00 from what they said Oct 12 23:27:07 I'd love to see it though Oct 12 23:27:19 May require a different type of port or something though. Oct 12 23:27:30 Stupid USB consortium. Oct 12 23:27:31 crashanddie_: And here is an Openmoko EE telling you that's nonsense ;-D Oct 12 23:27:43 one of they guy said "not possible unless you go scraping at the hardware connectors" Oct 12 23:27:53 s/they guy/the guys/ Oct 12 23:27:54 crashanddie_ meant: one of the guys said "not possible unless you go scraping at the hardware connectors" Oct 12 23:28:53 DocScrutinizer, and I should take the success of OpenMoko as proof that you're right? Oct 12 23:29:19 please don't play kidding games on me Oct 12 23:29:25 oh sorry, I forgot the smiley Oct 12 23:29:47 ";-D" Oct 12 23:29:59 I think it'd matter most just if it worked from a technical standpoint Oct 12 23:30:10 but I don't know if an openmoko can do both charging and USB-host Oct 12 23:31:48 DocScrutinizer, if someone told you "I work at Microsoft, which is why I can assert that Linux doesn't support USB", would you take their word for it? Oct 12 23:32:19 crashanddie_: refer to http://downloads.openmoko.org/developer/schematics/GTA02/Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf p.7 LOCATION:49XX, particularly U4904, U4905 - you'll see it's there. And I tell you it works Oct 12 23:33:35 anyone knows a way to get in touch with canola2 devels? Oct 12 23:33:44 and for my word: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:JOERG and p.1 of aforementioned schematics Oct 12 23:34:00 mikma, #canola might be a good place to start Oct 12 23:34:18 DocScrutinizer, god you're obtuse Oct 12 23:34:35 crashanddie_: thanks mate! Oct 12 23:34:41 mikma, go harass etrunko until he answers. :D Oct 12 23:35:25 oh well, garage won't reply tonight it would appear Oct 12 23:35:28 crashanddie_: to fulfill your expectations: how am I obtuse? Oct 12 23:35:41 Holy crap Oct 12 23:35:45 dftt Oct 12 23:36:07 All of MST3k is on Netflix. Oct 12 23:37:04 clayton is alive? Oct 12 23:39:09 sheepbat: charge at max 1A from USB. Hostmode with max 500mA supply from Openmoko Freerunner Oct 12 23:39:51 hunh, interesting Oct 12 23:40:52 openpandora had a load of problems with it too Oct 12 23:41:01 and they're using omap. Oct 12 23:41:08 so guess the culprit... Oct 12 23:41:38 You? Oct 12 23:46:19 * DocScrutinizer considers to apply at Nokia, for the next senior hw developer job Oct 12 23:48:26 it must be mindblowing to work in such an environment Oct 12 23:48:29 DocScrutinizer: you forgot the point, develope bad machines, sell them, fix 1 failure and a new bug sell new machine, ... Oct 12 23:48:36 I mean, not to diss your previous work or anything Oct 12 23:49:00 The hardware of OM wasn't ever the major malfunction. Oct 12 23:49:08 johnsq: hmm, sounds familiar -though highly disgusting to me Oct 12 23:49:59 SpeedEvil, nope, however rewriting the software stack from scratch every other week and never allowing people to use the phone as a phone was Oct 12 23:50:32 crashanddie_: you bet it is (mindblowing). Just I joined too late to really make a difference Oct 12 23:51:49 crashanddie_: and no insult taken. I agree with your notion about slow and really bad EE at OM Oct 12 23:53:14 though SpeedEvil is right it's not primarily the hw that's the problem. we had 1 or 2 major issues, but that's not been the *real* showstoppers Oct 12 23:53:55 OpenMoko was a project started with noble intentions Oct 12 23:54:13 and ended with WebOS Oct 12 23:54:14 ^_^ Oct 12 23:54:24 the problem is noble intentions don't solve the massive coordination issues that ensue with a project such as that Oct 12 23:54:54 with a vastly underpowered sw development department Oct 12 23:55:17 That diddn't communicate what it was doing. Oct 12 23:55:52 everybody underestimated the amount of effort it would take to get such a simple thing like standby right Oct 12 23:56:24 or a dialer, a last-calls-history, etc Oct 12 23:56:54 and EE had no single guy to tell sw devels how to use the hw Oct 12 23:57:16 (as mentioned above: I joined way too late) Oct 13 00:01:18 well, nokia has an easy going on these parts. They just do it closed source, and I still don't see ofono anywhere around Oct 13 00:01:53 ofono.org Oct 13 00:02:05 Harmattan timeframe, probably. Oct 13 00:02:12 yup Oct 13 00:04:35 well, if any of the Nokia guys (or maemo heads) are listening: manpower for hire. email: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:JOERG Oct 13 00:05:43 gn8 Oct 13 00:10:58 Question.. if I make a file in my home directory in the SDK... why is it that I can't see those same files when I open Nautilus? Where are they? Oct 13 00:11:59 zerojay, Nautilus on the host? Oct 13 00:12:46 zerojay, probably something like /scratchbox/users/$LOGNAME/ Oct 13 00:12:50 err Oct 13 00:13:16 you get the idea Oct 13 00:13:33 just do a find /scratchbox -name filename.ext to find it Oct 13 00:14:09 Yeah, I figured it out. Oct 13 00:15:16 ~seen xnt14 Oct 13 00:15:19 xnt14 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 14h 1m 21s ago, saying: '~seen lcuk'. Oct 13 00:15:31 hah Oct 13 00:15:31 Love triangle. Oct 13 00:16:54 Is it in the builder yet? Oct 13 00:17:27 * b-man17 is experimenting with video chat.... pretty interesting.... o.o Oct 13 00:19:59 GAN900: I have the deb made.. just need the wiki page for it... Uploading to Extras, I think it was called. Oct 13 00:21:49 And virtualbox just froze my ass. Oct 13 00:22:11 lol Oct 13 00:22:37 dead? Oct 13 00:22:38 dead Oct 13 00:22:40 fuuuuucl Oct 13 00:24:45 lol Oct 13 00:25:37 ping Oct 13 00:26:22 pong? Oct 13 00:26:27 even my term is dead... screen is no longer updating... wtf... i can't even see this and it's probably being typed directly into a command line that will somehow erase all my shit at once and i don't even care aarrrrrrrrrrrr Oct 13 00:27:02 killall Virtualbox Oct 13 00:27:27 lol Oct 13 00:27:36 reboot Oct 13 00:27:42 shutdown -h now Oct 13 00:27:46 "Segmentation Falt" Oct 13 00:27:46 beep Oct 13 00:27:47 fuck you Oct 13 00:27:50 aaaaahhh Oct 13 00:27:52 Haha Oct 13 00:28:13 lol Oct 13 00:28:29 soooo blank screen... it's just you and me now, huh Oct 13 00:28:40 i don't like you, you don't like me. Oct 13 00:28:55 i'm going to make you my bitch. Oct 13 00:28:59 * GAN900 watches with interest Oct 13 00:29:01 see this fucking plug? Oct 13 00:29:07 "/sbin/init: Segmentation Fault" Oct 13 00:29:07 YOU LOSE. Oct 13 00:29:08 xDDDDDDDDDD Oct 13 00:30:50 ~burn his computer Oct 13 00:30:51 * infobot pours gasoline all over his computer, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze Oct 13 00:31:42 wb xD Oct 13 00:31:54 Virtualbox decided to get stoned. Oct 13 00:31:57 Fuck it. Oct 13 00:32:07 VMware? :) Oct 13 00:36:35 ugh Oct 13 00:36:46 getting my damn web server back up and running has wound up being a total pain in the ass :) Oct 13 00:37:13 i hate mysql Oct 13 00:38:15 Anyone awake right now that can send me my invite to upload to extras? Oct 13 01:09:30 what is most stable for nokia 770, 2008HE 2007HE or 2006 Oct 13 01:16:50 frewsxcv: OS2006 i'm assuming Oct 13 02:12:32 woa, didn't know the maemo.org brainstorm was for hardware ideas too... Oct 13 02:30:33 hi Oct 13 02:31:21 need instrucktions to install Android on 810 Oct 13 02:33:34 heh, those would be fairly intricate instructions Oct 13 02:34:26 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Android+Nokia+N810 Oct 13 02:35:22 lol Oct 13 02:35:27 love that. Oct 13 02:35:34 it's handy Oct 13 02:36:21 search allredi Oct 13 02:36:35 but Oct 13 02:37:25 no matter Oct 13 02:37:31 thanks Oct 13 02:42:37 the big rip doesn't seem like the probable end of the universe Oct 13 02:44:20 Hi Oct 13 02:45:17 Is there a way to install international virtual keyboards on the N800? (i.e. Japanese) Oct 13 02:46:00 When is Maemo going to change to Qt? Oct 13 02:46:17 Quicktime? Oct 13 02:46:47 toolkit Oct 13 02:48:01 jennyfast2: You probably want maemocjk. Oct 13 02:51:26 falmeida: 6 Oct 13 02:52:05 gah, watchdog killed me Oct 13 02:52:12 can't link kate anymore? :/ Oct 13 02:52:13 falmeida: Maemo 6 signals the switch to QT... the Harmattan release. QT is going to be supported by the community in the meantime. Oct 13 02:52:45 Will it have different look&feel for maemo 5? Oct 13 02:52:57 derf: I'll check it out, thanks Oct 13 02:53:04 It will have a different look and feel FROM Maemo 5, yes. Oct 13 02:53:47 Is there a syslog daemon on the N900 yet? :/ Oct 13 02:54:21 So if I develop a Qt application for maemo 5, it will look different from other applications? Oct 13 02:54:51 Anyone get an N900 yet? Oct 13 02:54:52 another queston Oct 13 02:54:57 jennyfast2: yes Oct 13 02:54:59 Is it worth the huge amount of money? Oct 13 02:55:08 jennyfast2: probably not. Oct 13 02:55:19 I sure want one :) Oct 13 02:55:23 is thear a wai to acses the config file of installet them Oct 13 02:55:41 and for exemple change the font size Oct 13 02:55:49 falmeida: I don't know.. check out the QT release on the SDK to find out. Oct 13 02:55:53 I sure want a clamshell, open source N900 :p Oct 13 02:55:53 luke-jr - It's cool that it can run quake 3 Oct 13 02:55:57 But meh. Oct 13 02:56:05 jennyfast2: can it? Oct 13 02:56:07 jennyfast2: It's quite worth the money. Oct 13 02:56:24 And yes, it can... even though it has autoaim in the worst way. lol Oct 13 02:56:29 lol Oct 13 02:56:34 N900 is all that I wanted for a long time. A mobile that's also a very portable computer Oct 13 02:56:38 Seriously, it's completely cheating. lol Oct 13 02:56:48 I'm leaning toward OpenPandora with MiFi when it becomes available Oct 13 02:56:49 Anytime anyone's in sight, you're locked on. Oct 13 02:56:55 falmeida: Zaurus was doing that 10 years ago Oct 13 02:57:03 falmeida: but don't expect to use Maemo in that way Oct 13 02:57:11 luke-jr: Wha? Oct 13 02:57:18 zerojay: ? Oct 13 02:57:31 luke-jr: Don't expect to use the N900 as a very portable computer? Oct 13 02:57:54 luke-jr: what do you mean? Oct 13 02:58:00 zerojay: no, "computer" in that context means running KDE, arbitrary apps, etc Oct 13 02:58:14 not running only custom made software Oct 13 02:58:14 luke-jr: Yes it can play Quake 3 Oct 13 02:58:21 Quake III on the N900 -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHSZfhY25Jc Oct 13 02:58:24 luke-jr: And... why not? I was able to do that in previous tablets. Oct 13 02:58:45 jennyfast2: You got me in the mood to play. lol Oct 13 02:58:49 zerojay: not with Maemo... Oct 13 02:59:00 luke-jr: uh... okay there. Oct 13 02:59:09 It seems it's not that hard to port most GTK applications to maemo, and the most important already are Oct 13 02:59:30 * luke-jr thinks if Nokia wants to send him a N900 free of charge, he'll take the time to get Gentoo/KDE up and working with it, but probably not otherwise. Oct 13 02:59:43 falmeida: but they do require porting **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 13 02:59:56 2009