**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 24 03:00:00 2009
Nov 24 03:00:19 <pupnik> there was a gstreamer hack for n810
Nov 24 03:00:22 <lcuk> pupnik, you tried it in the same way as n8x0
Nov 24 03:00:28 <lcuk> ie with gstreamer and stuff
Nov 24 03:00:48 <qole> v4l2, /dev/video0 for "big" camera, video1 for front facing webcam
Nov 24 03:00:57 <pupnik> but main cam
Nov 24 03:01:06 <pupnik> ohhh!
Nov 24 03:01:13 <pupnik> ty!
Nov 24 03:04:42 <qole> looks like it is called hildon-systray
Nov 24 03:05:24 <qole> hildon-systray seems pretty lame tho
Nov 24 03:06:37 <qole> you click on the status area, then a button in the menu, and it shows you a dialog with the systray
Nov 24 03:06:51 <fernando_> haha
Nov 24 03:07:17 <qole> yeah. hahaha. :-(
Nov 24 03:08:19 <fernando_> not a smart place to put a tray innit
Nov 24 03:10:09 <qole> I never thought I'd say this but I miss the OS2008 interface...
Nov 24 03:10:11 <lcuk> qole, at least nowadays you dont have to write a 12line shell script to view systray entries.     :p
Nov 24 03:11:06 <qole> lcuk, No you can pull up the systray dialog.
Nov 24 03:11:16 <lcuk> there you go
Nov 24 03:11:21 <lcuk> vast improvement
Nov 24 03:11:42 <lcuk> we should make use of qwertys service provider widget
Nov 24 03:11:56 <lcuk> and put a real systray there
Nov 24 03:12:03 <qole> over what exactly? When have we had to write a script to look at systray entries?
Nov 24 03:12:58 <qole> I'm going to go ask for a systray desktop widget.
Nov 24 03:13:50 * lcuk nods
Nov 24 03:14:03 <lcuk> but like i say, qwerty wrote a hacked widget to replace the provider name
Nov 24 03:14:15 <lcuk> ie one that sits next to the fremantle systray
Nov 24 03:14:16 <qole> yes, I'm using it
Nov 24 03:14:37 <lcuk> yeah, its a better location for systray, since it exists over all 4 desktops
Nov 24 03:14:53 <qole> he just hacked the existing provider name thing.
Nov 24 03:15:13 <lcuk> i thought he made a new mini widget and replaced it
Nov 24 03:15:48 <qole> don't think so..
Nov 24 03:16:10 <fernando_> a real tray should be visible systemwide tho, does that widget/hack replace the banner only on the desktop?
Nov 24 03:21:02 <qole> fernando_, yes, just the desktop.
Nov 24 03:21:12 <fernando_> aw
Nov 24 03:23:17 <lcuk> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=15194 there you go qole, may provide inspiration to someone in a thread you make
Nov 24 03:24:31 <qole> My notification area is totally packed already... http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/4128955395/
Nov 24 03:24:43 <lcuk> damn damn vnc didnt bring it over
Nov 24 03:25:03 <lcuk> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33638
Nov 24 03:38:38 <qole> hildon-systray in action!!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/4130108152/
Nov 24 03:40:03 <fernando_> rofl
Nov 24 03:47:41 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, more idiots on Talk!
Nov 24 05:02:22 <fernando_> anyone knows where to find this http://betalabs.nokia.com/betas/view/internet-tablet-video-converter still? lol
Nov 24 05:02:42 <GeneralAntilles> fernando_, it's discontinued.
Nov 24 05:03:03 <GeneralAntilles> May I recommend mediautils instead, though? http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/
Nov 24 05:03:12 <fernando_> nokia usually keeps discontinued apps just for archival purposes on betalabs, shame they didn't do it for that
Nov 24 05:03:30 <GeneralAntilles> It may very well be somewhere
Nov 24 05:03:33 <GeneralAntilles> I don't know offhand, however.
Nov 24 05:03:48 <fernando_> Runs on Linux, Mac OS X, Unix and Windows PCs. ooh
Nov 24 05:03:53 <fernando_> that's cool
Nov 24 05:04:04 <fernando_> (I liked the official one because of the mac os version)
Nov 24 05:06:58 <fernando_> aw, requires mencoder, the mplayer port file for os x is screwed up on 10.6... I did compile my own mplayer a while ago, but definitely nothing to be done after midnight :P
Nov 24 05:07:28 <luke-jr> lol
Nov 24 05:12:17 <kirma> how does the charging logic on n900 choose when charger is ok?
Nov 24 05:15:18 <kirma> I can't charge it from some sources that work well on other devices... does it actually require usb power budget negotiation?
Nov 24 05:15:52 <pupnik> heh
Nov 24 05:16:13 <pupnik> i could never charge n810 in car
Nov 24 05:16:21 <pupnik> two adapters
Nov 24 05:16:25 <luke-jr> ...
Nov 24 05:16:29 <luke-jr> pupnik: why not?
Nov 24 05:17:15 <pupnik> duuno  assume voltage spec too low
Nov 24 05:17:25 <pupnik> or something else
Nov 24 05:17:30 <luke-jr> ...
Nov 24 05:17:37 <pupnik> one car adapter from nokia
Nov 24 05:17:41 <luke-jr> oh
Nov 24 05:17:49 <luke-jr> I just use my AC adapter w/ an inverter..
Nov 24 05:19:01 <pupnik> heh, i do sometimes but two conversions bugs me
Nov 24 05:26:19 <GeneralAntilles> kirma, yes.
Nov 24 05:26:29 <GeneralAntilles> kirma, dumb chargers are required to not have data pins.
Nov 24 05:35:23 <kirma> generalantilles: I guess "iphone" usb cable adapter might solve it... on dealextreme, usb-usb
Nov 24 05:40:40 <iDialekt> I wonder what 4g means to CDMA customers ultimately
Nov 24 05:41:35 <fernando_> will it cause the ushering of a new era of cross compatiblity and network openness unprecedented even by god himself?!?!
Nov 24 05:41:52 <fernando_> or just new marketing terms and even pricier contracts? :(
Nov 24 05:42:27 <iDialekt> :( im not sure
Nov 24 05:44:30 <RST38h> "Due to the feedback and demand the N900 has got we decided to have a more polished release targeting a wider audience, even if at the cost of a later sales start. The rest is a consequence of this decision, including some of the problems you are reporting here."
Nov 24 05:45:09 <fernando_> huh?
Nov 24 05:45:25 <RST38h> That is qgil responding to outcry about delays
Nov 24 05:45:37 <fernando_> ah, go him
Nov 24 05:46:15 <derf> Let me get this straight. People really wanted it so they decided to delay releasing it.
Nov 24 05:46:38 <RST38h> derf: A bit more complicated, I suspect
Nov 24 05:47:02 <RST38h> derf: They did not expect so much interest, so they planned to release whatever they had and update later, like with previous devices
Nov 24 05:47:10 <derf> RST38h: I'm not speculating on what really happened. I'm just trying to interpret the PR line they came up with.
Nov 24 05:47:10 <fernando_> if it was just a couple geeks wanting it for hacking, sure, they can handle an incomplete product
Nov 24 05:47:34 <fernando_> PR language is much like legalese, no one can really understand it
Nov 24 05:47:36 <RST38h> derf: But got scared when they saw crowds at the gates
Nov 24 05:52:17 * RST38h curses the thumbnailer
Nov 24 05:52:46 <RST38h> Shit, couldn't they make tracker-related stuff customizable?
Nov 24 05:53:58 <johnx> it might be, at a gconf level
Nov 24 05:54:03 <johnx> mornin' all
Nov 24 05:54:07 <fernando_> I've been trying for a while now with other video converter apps, and even in mplayer, stuff gets stuttery
Nov 24 05:54:13 <RST38h> moo johnx
Nov 24 05:54:19 <fernando_> what is the optimal settings to convert stuff for the N800? :P
Nov 24 05:54:22 <fernando_> 8are
Nov 24 05:54:24 <fernando_> *
Nov 24 05:54:54 <fernando_> I'm even making the video 800px wide so mplayer doesn't have to scale it :(
Nov 24 05:55:04 <johnx> fernando_, divx avi, 400x240 or so (500x??? tops), 800-100kb/s mp3 audio @ 44100kHz
Nov 24 05:55:17 <fernando_> that works, thanks :P
Nov 24 05:55:24 <tigert> use tablet-encode
Nov 24 05:55:30 <johnx> divx or xvid or whatever
Nov 24 05:55:36 <johnx> but yeah, use tablet-encode
Nov 24 05:55:57 <tigert> 800x480 plays probably if it has low fps/bitrate
Nov 24 05:55:58 <johnx> and change 100kb/s to 1000kb/s
Nov 24 05:56:20 <tigert> tablet-encode is good for this
Nov 24 05:56:57 <fernando_> alright, let me try compiling mplayer again :(
Nov 24 05:57:12 <johnx> why are you compiling mplayer?
Nov 24 05:57:58 <fernando_> dont you need mencoder for tablet-encode?
Nov 24 05:58:37 <fernando_> (I'm on OS X, and I'm relatively clueless about this kind of stuff, if it matters :P)
Nov 24 05:58:46 <RST38h> johnx: mplayer package contains both afaik
Nov 24 05:59:08 <johnx> fernando_, do you have handbrake?
Nov 24 05:59:17 <fernando_> I do
Nov 24 05:59:47 <fernando_> should I just try "divx avi, 400x240 or so (500x??? tops), 800-100kb/s mp3 audio @ 44100kHz" on it, instead of messing with tablet-encode?
Nov 24 06:00:14 <johnx> though I don't remember if handbrake will create an avi ...
Nov 24 06:00:35 <johnx> I was sure there was some nice thing for mac os x as well, but I only use it at work...
Nov 24 06:01:05 <fernando_> there was the betalabs internet tablet converter or something, can't find a download of it though :(
Nov 24 06:02:55 <johnx> tablet-encode + mplayer/mencoder are probably the easiest way to get guaranteed results
Nov 24 06:03:10 <johnx> it looks like there are mplayer/mencoder binaries for mac os x (second result on google)
Nov 24 06:03:17 <johnx> not sure about the reputability of course
Nov 24 06:21:49 <RST38h> http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/23/ti-introduces-the-ez430-chronos-development-platform-and-spor/
Nov 24 06:21:57 <RST38h> (well, it is not the tablet, but...)
Nov 24 06:22:55 <johnx> wireless wha?
Nov 24 06:23:28 <microlith> ok, screw the n900, I want -THAT-
Nov 24 06:23:29 <microlith> lol
Nov 24 06:23:53 <johnx> seriously though. bluetooth? wifi? xbee (sp?)?
Nov 24 06:23:59 <RST38h> where is my dot matrix LCD with the touch screen though? and can it work as a phone? :)
Nov 24 06:24:01 <microlith> wait, $49
Nov 24 06:24:03 <RST38h> johnx: A moment
Nov 24 06:24:12 <microlith> that's seriously tempting
Nov 24 06:24:29 <RST38h> CC430 microcontroller
Nov 24 06:25:06 <RST38h> http://focus.ti.com/mcu/docs/mcucodeexnewsltrbuglist.tsp?sectionId=96&tabId=1507&DCMP=Chronos&HQS=Other+PR+chronos_developernetwork-pr
Nov 24 06:25:48 <microlith> ooh
Nov 24 06:25:49 <microlith> http://mspgcc.sourceforge.net/
Nov 24 06:26:34 <RST38h> can I ssh to it? =)
Nov 24 06:26:43 <johnx> so, some kind of proprietary wireless link it seems?
Nov 24 06:27:07 <johnx> for my $50 I think I'll pick up a zipit z2. a little bigger, but infinitely more capable
Nov 24 06:27:31 * microlith looks up
Nov 24 06:27:45 <microlith> oh that
Nov 24 06:27:50 <johnx> http://www.openzipit.org/
Nov 24 06:28:07 <microlith> are those still hackable, or are they trying to close the holes?
Nov 24 06:28:25 <RST38h> Onboard Airforce One: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/11/500x_airforceone1.jpg
Nov 24 06:28:35 <fernando_> and I got tablet-encode working, thanks guys
Nov 24 06:28:50 <johnx> they made a nice public statement about encouraging hackers and then based their z2 on openembedded
Nov 24 06:28:57 <RST38h> (the first who says "they are watching porn" gets the title of Cpt Obvious =))
Nov 24 06:29:32 <RST38h> johnx: What is wrong with OE?
Nov 24 06:29:34 <microlith> johnx: that's surprising, and good
Nov 24 06:30:09 <microlith> although the thought of touching bitbake is off-putting >_>
Nov 24 06:30:14 <johnx> RST38h, I was saying that in contrast to closing up the hole in their first one, they formally encouraged hacking of the second one
Nov 24 06:30:22 <RST38h> ah
Nov 24 06:30:25 <johnx> microlith, it can boot from mini-sd out of the box it seems
Nov 24 06:30:35 <johnx> kernel+debian fs = win
Nov 24 06:30:39 <RXrenesis81> they're lookin at: http://bit.ly/6fGIy6
Nov 24 06:30:40 <johnx> or that's my thinking at least
Nov 24 06:31:01 <microlith> I'm reminded of the iOpener from years back
Nov 24 06:31:07 <johnx> RXrenesis81, right. porn. wait, don't look at me like that!
Nov 24 06:31:12 <microlith> where they got angry at people buying the devices sans contract and putting linux on them
Nov 24 06:31:20 <RXrenesis81> O.o
Nov 24 06:31:31 <RST38h> contract...
Nov 24 06:32:13 <johnx> microlith, seems they encourage people to pay some monthly fee for using their "IM service" but there's no need to "activate" it or anything like that
Nov 24 06:33:30 <microlith> johnx: yeah, I didn't think there was
Nov 24 06:34:05 <microlith> heh
Nov 24 06:34:15 <microlith> that watch has a whole 4KB of RAM
Nov 24 06:35:50 <RST38h> and it is not an iPhone!
Nov 24 06:36:15 <johnx> I think RST38h would know, but a TI-83+ has more than 4KB RAM, right?
Nov 24 06:36:23 <RST38h> Of course
Nov 24 06:36:29 <RST38h> lemme check
Nov 24 06:36:58 <RST38h> Config says 32kB RAM
Nov 24 06:37:30 <johnx> yeah, don't think I'm gonna by a new programmable machine of any type with less RAM than the first device I hacked on...
Nov 24 06:37:34 <johnx> s/by/buy
Nov 24 06:37:36 * RST38h sighs again at the Maemo6 Qt Compatibility thread
Nov 24 06:37:44 <RST38h> They did it again :(
Nov 24 06:37:55 <microlith> hmm?
Nov 24 06:38:05 <johnx> the compatibility break? or totally mismanaged the announcement that there would be one?
Nov 24 06:38:46 <RST38h> johnx: another pointless quest to create different UIs for each platform
Nov 24 06:39:11 <RST38h> johnx: it is like a quest for a Holy Grail
Nov 24 06:39:13 <johnx> ah, you mean symbian vs maemo? or symbian/maemo vs PC?
Nov 24 06:39:19 <RST38h> yeah
Nov 24 06:39:26 <johnx> the latter?
Nov 24 06:39:37 <RST38h> They have already brken Gtk+ in Maemo5, now doing the same with Qt
Nov 24 06:40:27 <johnx> eh. I had really hoped there would be less hacking of qt apps to work well on the tablets
Nov 24 06:40:31 <RST38h> + I see MVC models. The moment I see MVC mentioned, with a diagram, I start worrying
Nov 24 06:41:00 <RST38h> johnx: well if all goes as it should, qt apps should run on Maemo6, just look a bit less native
Nov 24 06:41:17 <johnx> which is the gtk situation now
Nov 24 06:41:41 <johnx> hopefully they'll look less totally out of place than vanilla gtk apps do on maemo4/5
Nov 24 06:42:48 <RST38h> Maemo4 played relatively well with vanilla gtk
Nov 24 06:42:58 <RST38h> There is hope Maemo6 will play ok with vanilla qt
Nov 24 06:43:52 <johnx> tell me: does maemo5 play better or worse with gtk than maemo4 did? why do you think maemo6 will play nice with vanilla qt after they're done nokiafying it?
Nov 24 06:44:27 <RST38h> maemo5 does not work well with vanilla gtk, unlike maemo4
Nov 24 06:44:48 <RST38h> johnx: well, my guess is that it takes time to break things, they won't be able to accomplish this for maemo6 ;)
Nov 24 06:45:12 <johnx> and right now we have pretty vanilla qt that does some neat auto-hildonizing. I assume it will be thoroughly "optimized" by the maemo6 launch ...
Nov 24 06:45:55 <johnx> hopefully it will be able to do a lot of the tweaks automagically
Nov 24 06:47:11 <RST38h> parts of maemo6 are already available from git, afaik
Nov 24 06:47:29 <RST38h> johnx: http://zchydem.enume.net/?p=128 + there is a link to part II
Nov 24 06:47:42 <johnx> ah good. glad part 2 is up
Nov 24 06:47:59 <johnx> sorry, I'm just being pessimistic. must be monday still
Nov 24 06:48:39 <RST38h> But MVC crap is really worrying
Nov 24 06:48:57 <RST38h> It is what has made Symbian/S60 UI so hard to program
Nov 24 06:49:10 <RST38h> Now they are transplanting it into Maemo
Nov 24 06:56:36 <fernando_> Lol
Nov 24 06:59:15 <johnx> why does public transit in my area suck so horribly?
Nov 24 06:59:59 <johnx> an hour and a half to get 9 freaking miles? really...
Nov 24 07:10:04 <adeus> use a bike
Nov 24 07:31:21 <hcarrega> status on n900?
Nov 24 07:32:01 <pekuja> hcarrega: I hear some people have received theirs
Nov 24 07:32:10 <pekuja> hcarrega: is that what you wanted to know?
Nov 24 07:32:34 <hcarrega> yape
Nov 24 07:32:39 <hcarrega> i pre order to
Nov 24 07:32:42 <hcarrega> i will w8
Nov 24 07:32:47 <hcarrega> im in europe
Nov 24 07:32:52 <hcarrega> Portugal
Nov 24 07:47:35 <Myrtti> meh
Nov 24 07:49:35 <kirma> wondering if one could enforce N900 to perform non-USB-compliant charging by software from userland... probably some software hack would allow it, but how deep it would need to go...
Nov 24 07:50:19 <johnx> huh? "non-usb-compliant"?
Nov 24 07:50:49 <kirma> ignore lack of charger indicator resistors and ignore lack of power budget negotiation
Nov 24 07:51:06 <kirma> just draw the load from USB power wires
Nov 24 07:51:13 <johnx> does it really do that? I thought any 5v line was good enough...
Nov 24 07:51:40 <jaem> morning
Nov 24 07:51:43 <kirma> I think it does those, and to get USB certification, it needs to
Nov 24 07:52:25 <luke-jr> kirma: hop on the "annoying free software fanatic" bandwagon with me
Nov 24 07:52:27 <johnx> probably be easier to have a little external dongle that "does the right thing" and just carry that around
Nov 24 07:52:31 <kirma> gf has been product manager for many of those accessories at the company, and they take things quite seriously
Nov 24 07:52:34 <luke-jr> as currently all the battery-handling code is closed
Nov 24 07:52:41 <jaem> does anyone know how to get in touch with Shane Bradley (sbradley) - the guy who's maintaining the libqt4-maemo5-* packages in extras-devel?
Nov 24 07:52:58 <kirma> usb certification I mean
Nov 24 07:53:12 <jaem> for some reason, his armel packages have an i386 qmake binary, and I have working packages I can post
Nov 24 07:53:18 <luke-jr> yeah, wasn't OTG required to drop for USB charging cert?
Nov 24 07:53:25 <johnx> luke-jr, no
Nov 24 07:53:26 <kirma> johnx: I know it's just three resistors on correct places, but software override would be possible too
Nov 24 07:53:39 <kirma> luke-jr: yep.
Nov 24 07:53:43 <johnx> kirma, where should i look in /sys for it?
Nov 24 07:54:16 <kirma> well... AB connector used with OTG mandates that the device actually can provide some useful functions as a USB host
Nov 24 07:54:29 <kirma> johnx: oh, I wish I knew :)
Nov 24 07:54:31 <jaem> kirma, talking about hacking OTG functionality?
Nov 24 07:54:33 <johnx> right, and the software wasn't there at that point, so ...
Nov 24 07:54:50 <johnx> talking about charging from any plain old 5v without doing USB negotiation
Nov 24 07:55:48 <jaem> johnx, ah, so that's why it doesn't work :/
Nov 24 07:55:50 <kirma> the fact that the phone doesn't charge with plain USB-microusb cable from powered USB hub (disconnected from computer) strongly suggest me that it relies on negotiation when it doesn't see the "charger" resistors on data lines
Nov 24 07:55:53 <johnx> I have a /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger entry that has a 0 in it right now
Nov 24 07:55:57 <tigert> the device comes with the plug dongle for small plug nokia chargers
Nov 24 07:55:58 <jaem> I was wondering why chargers rated at 1A didn't work
Nov 24 07:56:07 <tigert> that should take any 5v?
Nov 24 07:56:16 <jaem> so the Nokia charger has Magic (TM) in it?
Nov 24 07:56:20 <johnx> tigert, it does. I ... verified that :>
Nov 24 07:56:27 <kirma> the same hub is ok to charge e90 with passive adapter cable
Nov 24 07:56:31 <tigert> it has some kind of regulator at least
Nov 24 07:56:47 <wazd> hello maemo
Nov 24 07:56:49 <tigert> so maybe that would work with just plain DC
Nov 24 07:57:05 <tigert> dunno, but at least that charges ok
Nov 24 07:57:08 <kirma> jaem: I believe the "dumb" method is to have some resistors wired between USB lines to indicate that the device is a charger
Nov 24 07:57:10 <johnx> tigert, works quite well with anything you can get to fit in either of the holes
Nov 24 07:57:17 <tigert> and the old chargers dont speak any usb
Nov 24 07:57:21 <kirma> "smart" way is to negotiate load
Nov 24 07:57:37 <tigert> right
Nov 24 07:57:37 <kirma> obviously two of these can't coexist on the same device...
Nov 24 07:58:05 <tigert> there are also those diy usb charger projects
Nov 24 07:58:13 <tigert> those likely have some resistors too
Nov 24 07:58:13 <kirma> well, can't coexist unless designed for it in advance
Nov 24 07:58:23 * tigert has considered building one of those
Nov 24 07:58:32 <timeless_mbp> what does "unable to create updated files list for package xxx: No such file or directory" mean?
Nov 24 07:58:45 <johnx> the cool thing is one could put a mini-micro converter and the required resistors in the same little converter cable
Nov 24 07:58:59 <johnx> timeless_mbp, context
Nov 24 07:59:18 <timeless_mbp> i'm trying to use apt-get install xxx in a scratchbox
Nov 24 07:59:26 <timeless_mbp> but the scratchbox is broken :)
Nov 24 07:59:34 <kirma> I have 10 euro battery pack from dealextreme/focalprice... which doesn't charge the phone from usb-out, but it works with usb-oldnokia + oldnokia-usb adapter combination ;)
Nov 24 07:59:40 <johnx> ah, you're trying to do something useful in sb. that's your problem
Nov 24 07:59:46 <Stskeeps> timeless_mbp: fakeroot apt-get
Nov 24 07:59:49 <timeless_mbp> yeah yeah
Nov 24 07:59:49 <Jaffa> Morning all
Nov 24 08:00:06 <jaem> kirma, really?  For the N900?
Nov 24 08:00:08 <timeless_mbp> i'm using fakeroot, i think
Nov 24 08:00:12 <jaem> morning, Jaffa
Nov 24 08:00:28 <timeless_mbp> ah, i'm missing /var/lib/dpkg/info
Nov 24 08:00:35 <kirma> jaem: which specific part you refer by "really" ? :)
Nov 24 08:00:36 <timeless_mbp> and the error message was incredibly unhelpful
Nov 24 08:00:36 <jaem> heh... that might be an issue
Nov 24 08:01:14 <jaem> kirma, I have a (presumably) similar battery pack, with the same problem, and was curious as to why the adapter made it work
Nov 24 08:01:39 <jaem> also, are those the adapters that are almost impossible to get these days, or other ones?
Nov 24 08:02:11 <timeless_mbp> nice
Nov 24 08:02:24 <timeless_mbp> cp: cannot create regular file `/var/backups/infodir.bak'
Nov 24 08:02:50 <kirma> either the adapter is intelligent and acts as USB host and negotiates power budget (extremely unlikely) or has just couple magic resistors between USB pads (much more likely, as far as I remember it's an extension to USB spec that indicates dumb charger on the end of the cable)
Nov 24 08:04:03 <kirma> disconnected but powered usb hub doesn't work for me, neither does the battery pack directly; but cheapo chinese usb-"iphone" charger works, as well as hub when connected to computer, or the battery pack with adapter combination
Nov 24 08:05:24 <johnx> the good news is we get to piggy back off all of those usb-iphone chargers
Nov 24 08:06:10 <kirma> devices that work with iphone 3GS are probably "good" ... but ones that don't claim to do so can be less certain.
Nov 24 08:07:55 <johnx> except when they're broken :)
Nov 24 08:08:15 <johnx> (I wondered why someone left a "free" iphone charger on my desk at work. now I know.)
Nov 24 08:08:29 <jaem> johnx, altruism?
Nov 24 08:08:36 <johnx> it doesn't work :)
Nov 24 08:08:42 <jaem> heh... I gathered
Nov 24 08:09:03 <johnx> sometimes things that get left on my desk magically start working. and when that happens *sometimes* I give them back :>
Nov 24 08:22:13 <rmrfchik> damn.. in Russia the n900 price is $1k... fail.
Nov 24 08:22:27 <Stskeeps> $1k? not bad
Nov 24 08:24:42 <kirma> rmrfchik: you know: there's widely spread knowledge of the fact that russia is one of those countries where higher price actually *improves* the customer perception of a product.
Nov 24 08:25:30 <rmrfchik> fuck the perception.
Nov 24 08:25:30 <kirma> at least in the eyes of the financially potential customers
Nov 24 08:25:38 <rmrfchik> and nokia's price politic
Nov 24 08:26:17 <rmrfchik> will buy competitor. it's sad.
Nov 24 08:26:38 <kirma> regarding the chances of getting a cheap N900 with cyrillic keypad... well, that pricing is unfortunate.
Nov 24 08:27:21 <kirma> anyway, price differences between markets are not arbitary
Nov 24 08:31:16 <rmrfchik> Stskeeps: moreover, the first internet shop sells on price $2.1k. But I think this just greed
Nov 24 08:32:10 <johnx> heh, speaking of pricing in different markets. I hear the PS2 just (officially) made it to Brazil for the equivalent of $500USD or so
Nov 24 08:34:16 <lardman|home> morning
Nov 24 08:34:35 <lardman|home> can items be removed from a GtkTable?
Nov 24 08:34:56 <lardman|home> or, how can I make an empty V/HBox has zero wodth/height?
Nov 24 08:35:01 <lardman|home> s/has/have
Nov 24 08:36:25 <lardman|home> I need to switch my screen items from horizontal to vertical to handle changes in orientation. Moving them between H/VBox containers works, but I get an ugly blak space where the empty container is
Nov 24 08:38:35 <lardman|home> ah, gtk_container_remove
Nov 24 08:40:22 <L0cutus> re
Nov 24 08:40:33 <lardman|home> morning L0cutus
Nov 24 09:02:39 <timeless_mbp> hrm
Nov 24 09:08:05 <Stskeeps> i wonder how many times some sentence containing the words "n900" "waiting" "making" "me" "crazy" has been uttered
Nov 24 09:08:33 <johnx> the people waiting for the n900 are making me crazy
Nov 24 09:08:34 <Stskeeps> the device certainly has the potential to turn normally sane people into madmen :P
Nov 24 09:10:07 <timeless_mbp> hrm
Nov 24 09:10:09 <timeless_mbp> i object
Nov 24 09:10:23 <timeless_mbp> counsel is asserting sanity of unknown people
Nov 24 09:10:46 * timeless_mbp pokes sbox until it has enough file system structure to let things install
Nov 24 09:11:38 <[dmp]> Stskeeps: That would explain why my N900 got instanity test pre-installed :-)
Nov 24 09:20:31 <hrw> morning
Nov 24 09:48:10 <timeless_mbp> bad day
Nov 24 09:48:18 <timeless_mbp> my sbox doesn't like me
Nov 24 09:49:59 <timeless_mbp> the x86 sbox works fine
Nov 24 09:59:05 <Stskeeps> morning javispedro
Nov 24 09:59:17 <javispedro> moo
Nov 24 09:59:21 <javispedro> what a nice day
Nov 24 09:59:29 <javispedro> more trolls in tmo, more excuses in the DDP...
Nov 24 10:00:21 <nomis> javispedro: where do you get excuses from the DDP?
Nov 24 10:00:35 <javispedro> tmo of course.
Nov 24 10:00:44 <Stskeeps> javispedro: it'll be interesting to see where the FN NDA&low level stuff could lead
Nov 24 10:01:03 <javispedro> specially if they're completely serious about it
Nov 24 10:01:15 <javispedro> since initially I disregarded that too quickly seems
Nov 24 10:02:18 <Stskeeps> if they want us to treat FN seriously, FN should treat us seriously :)
Nov 24 10:03:00 <javispedro> exactly. I want them to AIR MAIL me instead of emailing me, and they have to refer to me as "sir".
Nov 24 10:03:03 <ShadowJK> fn?
Nov 24 10:03:08 <ShadowJK> oh
Nov 24 10:03:22 <javispedro> and spell proof their mails so I can actually learn english from them.
Nov 24 10:03:42 <javispedro> ;)
Nov 24 10:04:37 <Stskeeps> but anyway, the weird attitudes is another step in making maemo a first degree player, also inside the company, -i think-
Nov 24 10:04:47 <Stskeeps> that this fight is one that has to be taken :P
Nov 24 10:05:04 <javispedro> heh, nice PoV
Nov 24 10:05:17 <Stskeeps> cos you can't have two departments doing the same thing
Nov 24 10:06:02 <javispedro> the issue is that it seems "it's not the same thing"
Nov 24 10:06:09 <Stskeeps> yeah
Nov 24 10:06:49 <Stskeeps> in denmark we have the saying there needs to be dead bodies on the table before something is done about it
Nov 24 10:07:23 <Stskeeps> and i think FN/MD can learn a lot from this encounter with open source developers
Nov 24 10:07:34 <Stskeeps> and hopefully in the end work out for the better :P
Nov 24 10:08:48 <javispedro> as for myself though, I don't want to fight it -- I want the device :P 1 week warranty is more than what I had with this n810 :)
Nov 24 10:09:22 <Stskeeps> well, it's also a learning process for open source developers
Nov 24 10:09:45 <javispedro> guess so.
Nov 24 10:11:10 <javispedro> I just hope the "not as primary device" moniker is dropped entirely.
Nov 24 10:11:32 <Stskeeps> i bought my first n800 from US, and hence no warranty.
Nov 24 10:12:15 <timeless_mbp> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/685683
Nov 24 10:12:19 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: what did i do wrong?
Nov 24 10:12:45 <Stskeeps> timeless_mbp: the shell looks really really messed up if it's scratchbox
Nov 24 10:13:18 <timeless_mbp> it's scratchbox
Nov 24 10:13:23 <Stskeeps> also, that's cs2005q3, aren't we at later version now?
Nov 24 10:13:24 <timeless_mbp> there's a 'script' session
Nov 24 10:13:46 <timeless_mbp> how would i know?
Nov 24 10:14:08 <Stskeeps> i'm quite confident your target is malconfigured
Nov 24 10:14:16 <timeless_mbp> oh sure
Nov 24 10:14:28 <timeless_mbp> i had to make it from 'scratch' w/o following any directions
Nov 24 10:14:36 <timeless_mbp> because the image i downloaded didn't have *anything*
Nov 24 10:15:24 <Stskeeps> did you use the shiny installer?
Nov 24 10:15:56 <timeless_mbp> i used the shiny zip that had a vmdk+vmx
Nov 24 10:16:04 <timeless_mbp> what it didn't seem to have was a scratchbox
Nov 24 10:16:06 <timeless_mbp> or anything else!
Nov 24 10:16:20 <timeless_mbp> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation
Nov 24 10:16:29 <timeless_mbp> claims i want scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7
Nov 24 10:16:57 <Stskeeps> you will be a lot happier if you just downloaded a ubuntu vmdk and ran the installer in there
Nov 24 10:17:08 <timeless_mbp> i think i'd be happier if i installed it into your Mer
Nov 24 10:17:21 <Stskeeps> might work
Nov 24 10:17:22 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 24 10:21:11 <javispedro> oh, they finally documented that vdso=2 also works
Nov 24 10:21:21 * javispedro still believes vdso=2 should be the default and not vdso=0
Nov 24 10:21:44 <javispedro> well, tbh, the default should be to apply the glibc patch to sbox already dammit.
Nov 24 10:22:55 <Stskeeps> sb1 should just die
Nov 24 10:22:56 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 24 10:23:07 <ccooke> *yawn* Morning
Nov 24 10:24:10 <javispedro> not until sb2 gets up to speed
Nov 24 10:24:13 <javispedro> morn ccooke
Nov 24 10:27:14 <Ford_Prefect> Hello! Has anybody managed to get pulseaudio running on Fremantle x86?
Nov 24 10:28:56 <timeless_mbp> woohoo
Nov 24 10:29:04 <timeless_mbp> switching to cs2007 fixed it
Nov 24 10:29:07 <timeless_mbp> i now have a cpa
Nov 24 10:29:47 <Ford_Prefect> Put another way, is anyone facing problems with applications not being able to resolve the symbol "eventfd"
Nov 24 10:30:27 * timeless_mbp frowns
Nov 24 10:30:33 <timeless_mbp> how do i make interesting targets?
Nov 24 10:34:30 <[1]crown> hi @all i have a little Problem with the install of SDK5.0 could anybody help me? i get the following error message in both ways (.py wizard and .sh install script) failed to fetch http:// (repo) /Packages.gz with a 401 Unautorized
Nov 24 10:35:56 <[1]crown> i tried to fetch the file by wget directly this works i dont know why it wont work inside the script
Nov 24 10:37:04 <tigert> you run the script as root and wget as non-root?
Nov 24 10:37:24 <tigert> root does not have http_proxy set?
Nov 24 10:37:25 <[1]crown> it tells me that i shouldnt run the script as root
Nov 24 10:37:30 <tigert> ah
Nov 24 10:37:33 <tigert> ok
Nov 24 10:37:45 <[1]crown> so i dont used root for wget and the script
Nov 24 10:37:47 <tigert> which script?
Nov 24 10:38:24 <[1]crown> i have downloaded the maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sdk and he maemo-install-wizard_5.0.py
Nov 24 10:38:31 <tigert> ok
Nov 24 10:38:34 <qwerty12> qole: (Since you "read the IRC logs") No, I did not hack the existing operator name widget. I wrote a new one. Unlike you, I used C for this task and not some bash scripts
Nov 24 10:38:42 <[1]crown> both scripts stuck at the same time
Nov 24 10:39:00 <Shapeshifter> lordy chromium is fast
Nov 24 10:40:27 <[1]crown> but tigert you could be right i just see the wizard needs to run under root
Nov 24 10:40:38 <[1]crown> i try the install script without root again
Nov 24 10:42:18 <[1]crown> @tigert i use the maemo sdk vm
Nov 24 10:43:25 <tigert> ok
Nov 24 10:48:37 <tigert> see what the sh script is trying to do and where it fails?
Nov 24 10:48:43 <tigert> I dunno what else it could be
Nov 24 10:48:43 * timeless_mbp frowns
Nov 24 10:48:59 <tigert> do you need a proxy in your network etc?
Nov 24 10:49:07 * timeless_mbp tries to remember how to distinguish between armel and (intel?) from debian/rules
Nov 24 10:49:08 <[1]crown> @tigert i see that i cant reach the repo when iam root (tryed sudo su and then direct opend the link in bowser
Nov 24 10:49:26 <[1]crown> @tigert so how can i solve this Problem generally
Nov 24 10:49:27 <timeless_mbp> DEB_BUILD_ARCH_CPU ?
Nov 24 10:52:05 <_berto_> timeless_mbp: dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH_CPU
Nov 24 10:52:18 <timeless_mbp> _berto_: from debian/rules ?
Nov 24 10:52:22 <_berto_> not sure if DEB_BUILD_ARCH_CPU is defined automatically
Nov 24 10:52:30 <tigert> [1]crown: sorry, I dont know the script
Nov 24 10:52:43 <tigert> [1]crown: see what it is trying to do and where it fails
Nov 24 10:52:43 <_berto_> DEB_HOST_ARCH_CPU ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH_CPU)
Nov 24 10:52:47 <_berto_> that could work
Nov 24 10:52:51 <tigert> I cannot help more
Nov 24 10:53:07 * timeless_mbp sighs
Nov 24 10:53:20 <[1]crown> @tigert it seems not to be a problem in the script itselve i cant reach the repository when iam root if iam not root i can download the files well
Nov 24 10:53:23 <timeless_mbp> how do i get debian/rules to show me the commands it's actually running? :(
Nov 24 10:53:50 <Stskeeps> it's a makefile?
Nov 24 10:54:17 <timeless_mbp> that's helpful :)
Nov 24 10:54:58 <_berto_> timeless_mbp: you mean which targets are called ?
Nov 24 10:55:24 <timeless_mbp> _berto_: not really sure
Nov 24 10:55:27 <tigert> [1]crown: do you need to use a proxy?
Nov 24 10:55:35 <timeless_mbp> i'll post a deb-src someday
Nov 24 10:56:56 <timeless_mbp> dpkg-genchanges: warning: duplicate files list entry for file foo-ver_all.deb
Nov 24 10:59:20 <_berto_> timeless_mbp: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html
Nov 24 10:59:51 <_berto_> the targets that are called are 'debian/rules build' and 'fakeroot debian/rules binary'
Nov 24 11:03:53 <lardman> re
Nov 24 11:04:06 <Stskeeps> wb lardman, qwerty12
Nov 24 11:04:16 <timeless_mbp> qwerty12: so, your cpa compiled in my stupid sbox
Nov 24 11:04:32 <qwerty12> Stskeeps: Thanks
Nov 24 11:04:34 <lardman> hi Stskeeps
Nov 24 11:04:40 * timeless_mbp wonders how to get the deb to be built
Nov 24 11:04:45 <qwerty12> timeless_mbp: Woo.
Nov 24 11:05:53 <lardman> I'm thinking of adding a barcode recogniser, e.g. MAEMO-INSTALL: to allow .install files to be contained in a 2D barcode. Any thoughts?
Nov 24 11:05:56 <timeless_mbp> oh...
Nov 24 11:06:02 <timeless_mbp> someone asked why i didn't use dpkg-trigger
Nov 24 11:06:07 <timeless_mbp> the reason is that maemo doesn't support it
Nov 24 11:06:23 <timeless_mbp> (seems to be a pretty good reason not to use it)
Nov 24 11:08:01 <timeless_mbp> that leads me to the "chasing my tail" path
Nov 24 11:08:09 <timeless_mbp> so...
Nov 24 11:08:17 <timeless_mbp> anyone understand 'apt-worker'?
Nov 24 11:08:32 <timeless_mbp> is it: ham => apt-worker => dpkg => _me_
Nov 24 11:08:45 <timeless_mbp> and apt-get => dpkg => _me_ ?
Nov 24 11:11:13 <lardman> also, if anyone wants a particular type of 2D barcode handled, please let me know what it is and how it should be handled
Nov 24 11:18:07 * timeless_mbp grumbles
Nov 24 11:18:35 <timeless_mbp> wait
Nov 24 11:18:44 <timeless_mbp> if i call foo &
Nov 24 11:18:47 <timeless_mbp> and then i die
Nov 24 11:18:54 <Stskeeps> then foo might die with you
Nov 24 11:18:55 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 24 11:18:57 <timeless_mbp> foo's PPID will eventually become 1
Nov 24 11:19:24 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: if i don't actively orphan it?
Nov 24 11:19:38 <Stskeeps> mm
Nov 24 11:19:42 <Stskeeps> it is very dirty, fwiw
Nov 24 11:19:48 <Stskeeps> what are you trying to accomplish?
Nov 24 11:19:59 <timeless_mbp> i need to suggest to the user that they reboot
Nov 24 11:20:05 <timeless_mbp> but not until dpkg and friends finish
Nov 24 11:20:08 <Stskeeps> isn't there a function for that?
Nov 24 11:20:15 <timeless_mbp> triggers don't work on maemo
Nov 24 11:20:18 <timeless_mbp> (tested)
Nov 24 11:21:49 <zaheerm> please test zoutube from extras-testing and vote/comment here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/zoutube/0.1-18/
Nov 24 11:27:36 <ShadowJK> heh, verkkokauppa.com screen protector seems somewhat dubious. I think it has glue
Nov 24 11:28:06 <timeless_mbp> is the n900 available there?
Nov 24 11:28:25 <Stskeeps> oh no no ..
Nov 24 11:28:28 <Stskeeps> http://www.themaemo.com/taking-the-red-pill/
Nov 24 11:28:54 <Stskeeps> i thought we had killed red pill by now :)
Nov 24 11:28:58 <ShadowJK> timeless, 4.12 like everywhere else .fi !nokiashop
Nov 24 11:29:18 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: nope, red pill is still very important
Nov 24 11:30:19 <timeless_mbp> qole++
Nov 24 11:37:02 <lardman> does red pill actually do anything now?
Nov 24 11:38:35 <timeless_mbp> it enables the install from file item
Nov 24 11:38:41 <timeless_mbp> it shows packages which aren't user/ packages
Nov 24 11:38:50 <timeless_mbp> it gives you settings which lets you tweak various caching bits
Nov 24 11:39:06 <lardman> ah, I wondered where the install from file had gone
Nov 24 11:39:07 <timeless_mbp> afaict, it hasn't been particularly neutered
Nov 24 11:39:19 <zaheerm> i see maemo6 packages
Nov 24 11:39:20 <lardman> but I didn't see millions of system packages like in the old days
Nov 24 11:39:43 <timeless_mbp> you probably haven't used settings to enable them
Nov 24 11:39:50 <qwerty12> That's because "Show all packages" is turned off by default
Nov 24 11:39:53 <lardman> ah, that may well be it
Nov 24 11:39:55 <lardman> cool
Nov 24 11:39:59 <lardman> thanks
Nov 24 11:40:06 <timeless_mbp> i think the default advanced might be saner than it was in the past
Nov 24 11:41:30 <Stskeeps> any here with windows 7 and flasher-3.5?
Nov 24 11:42:19 <Stskeeps> hello felbutss
Nov 24 11:42:32 <felbutss> hi im working if someone can help me. i have a bricked N900
Nov 24 11:43:00 <Stskeeps> felbutss: could you start with telling us where you downloaded flasher-3.5?
Nov 24 11:43:11 <lardman> Stskeeps: should have a laptop with Win7 sometime this week
Nov 24 11:43:19 <felbutss> i ran this command on flasher which i downloaded from maemo.org
Nov 24 11:43:20 <felbutss> C:\Program Files (x86)\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-1 1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
Nov 24 11:43:25 <felbutss> hey guys by the way
Nov 24 11:43:35 <SpeedEvil> i assume there is also a linux flasher?
Nov 24 11:43:45 <lardman> indeed
Nov 24 11:43:49 <felbutss> and it keeps saying Suitable USB device not found, waiting.
Nov 24 11:43:53 <lardman> felbutss: is this a production device?
Nov 24 11:43:53 <felbutss> im on windows 7.
Nov 24 11:43:54 <Stskeeps> felbutss: is this a 64-bit windows, by the way?
Nov 24 11:44:02 <felbutss> yes
Nov 24 11:44:02 * SpeedEvil needs to actually start reading shit now his device is prolly on the way.
Nov 24 11:44:17 <lardman> felbutss: ok, that usb device not found is normal, until you plug in the device
Nov 24 11:44:23 <Lynoure> felbutss: that does not sound like bricking, yet.
Nov 24 11:44:46 <hrw> another question I have: maemo5 is compiled for armv7a with neon or just armv5te like it was in past?
Nov 24 11:44:48 <lardman> felbutss: you attaching it to the root hub?
Nov 24 11:44:59 <Stskeeps> hrw: armv7a
Nov 24 11:45:14 <Stskeeps> felbutss: do you have a non-64 bit windows by chance?
Nov 24 11:45:17 <felbutss> ill try that again. just a sec. ps: this is so stresful
Nov 24 11:45:20 <hrw> Stskeeps: thx
Nov 24 11:45:29 <Stskeeps> felbutss: hehe, it's like your pet being sick :)
Nov 24 11:45:31 <hrw> Stskeeps: so finally someone updated qemu in sbox?
Nov 24 11:45:38 <Stskeeps> hrw: yeah
Nov 24 11:46:03 <Stskeeps> felbutss: i think the problem is that flasher-3.5 does not work on 64-bit windows
Nov 24 11:46:08 <felbutss> it is lol been waiting so long for this thing
Nov 24 11:46:25 <felbutss> ye i thought soo. dammm need to find a xp machine
Nov 24 11:46:41 <Lynoure> felbutss: Or linux live cd?
Nov 24 11:46:41 <lardman> or a Linux box ;)
Nov 24 11:46:58 <felbutss> brb guys im going to work. ill try it on their machines
Nov 24 11:47:06 <felbutss> see ya in 10
Nov 24 11:47:08 <Stskeeps> felbutss: the good news is that your device is probably not dead :)
Nov 24 11:47:08 <Stskeeps> k
Nov 24 11:47:15 <felbutss> i hope so
Nov 24 11:47:22 <SpeedEvil> Is there a pedometer app?
Nov 24 11:47:40 <lardman> SpeedEvil: no, but would be interesting
Nov 24 11:47:52 <lardman> hey javispedro
Nov 24 11:48:13 <javispedro> hiyo lardman
Nov 24 11:48:34 <SpeedEvil> I clipped my pedo to my boot, and lost it.
Nov 24 11:49:24 <lardman> I've not looked at the raw accelerometer data, but should be easy enough to stick something together assuming the steps can be detected
Nov 24 11:49:36 <javispedro> note that, at least on vista, command line windows in admin mode do clearly say so in the title bar
Nov 24 11:49:50 <SpeedEvil> yeah. It's lots easier if you stick it to your ankle - but not hard even if not.
Nov 24 11:50:16 <SpeedEvil> What's the 'always on' - running with low CPU usage battery life I would wonder though.
Nov 24 11:50:24 <lardman> depends how ninja-like your steps are ;)
Nov 24 11:50:31 <javispedro> ouch, I've been late :P
Nov 24 11:50:33 <SpeedEvil> Well - that too.
Nov 24 11:50:49 <lardman> well it will last all day, certainly longer than I'll be walking
Nov 24 11:50:53 <lardman> I imagine
Nov 24 11:51:02 <lardman> not sure of the exact draw of the accelerometers
Nov 24 11:51:21 <SpeedEvil> lardman: a miliamp or so, based on similar data.
Nov 24 11:52:35 <lardman> plus the extra processor use
Nov 24 11:52:44 <SpeedEvil> Zero.
Nov 24 11:52:46 <lardman> but if it's a mA, that sounds not very much
Nov 24 11:52:50 <SpeedEvil> Well - it should be
Nov 24 11:52:59 <lardman> cpu will need to wake to read the hw
Nov 24 11:53:32 <SpeedEvil> yes, I suppose I need to find the docs for the hw and read it. I've been putting off doing that until my order was confirmed.
Nov 24 11:53:43 <lardman> derf: good that wikipedia page on shape matching, thanks
Nov 24 11:54:02 <lardman> SpeedEvil: reading the accelerometer is quite easy, it's in the wiki
Nov 24 11:54:12 <SpeedEvil> reading the accel is quite easy - yes.
Nov 24 11:54:17 <lardman> SpeedEvil: you should be able to put together an app in about 10min, using python for example
Nov 24 11:54:40 <SpeedEvil> I was more meaning working out if the current current draw is optimal, based on fundamental hardware limitations.
Nov 24 11:54:53 <SpeedEvil> Or if it's software in any aspect.
Nov 24 11:55:16 <lardman> I'd just test and see
Nov 24 11:55:29 <SpeedEvil> for example - going through an interrupt handler and doing pedometer in kernel is going to be cheaper than doing it with dbus+python.
Nov 24 11:55:46 <hrw> other question: as maemo5 is more or less based on Debian 'lenny' does it accept packages from it (when deps are fullfilled)?
Nov 24 11:56:53 <lardman> hmm, my headphone indicator is not showing up, even tho noise is going through them....
Nov 24 11:58:42 <javispedro> hrw: they won't be optified, but of course, deps fullfilled is enough for any package to be accepted.
Nov 24 11:59:04 <Stskeeps> hrw: i think it's still fairly etch based, but who knows..
Nov 24 11:59:05 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 24 11:59:17 <hrw> javispedro: personally I do not care about optify - will find out a way D:
Nov 24 11:59:34 <lardman> hrw: what do you want to install?
Nov 24 11:59:38 <javispedro> and of course most GUI packages will fail to appear on the menu
Nov 24 11:59:59 <hrw> javispedro: maemo5 do not have menu. it just have crappy launcher
Nov 24 12:00:06 <hrw> lardman: time will show
Nov 24 12:00:21 <hrw> lardman: no device, no installing
Nov 24 12:00:31 <lardman> ah, yes
Nov 24 12:00:44 <hrw> lardman: and sdk image nearly collapsed when I installed half of extras in it
Nov 24 12:01:17 <fiferboy> hi all
Nov 24 12:01:24 <Stskeeps> heya fiferboy
Nov 24 12:01:30 <hrw> Stskeeps: maemo community team should get nokia to sponsor proper autobuilder based on Debian builder.
Nov 24 12:01:38 <lardman> hi fiferboy
Nov 24 12:01:48 <hrw> Stskeeps: now extras contain packages which are not installable due to lack of deps
Nov 24 12:01:50 <lardman> fiferboy: how's fiferbaby 2.0?
Nov 24 12:01:59 <fiferboy> hi lardman, stskeeps
Nov 24 12:02:00 <Stskeeps> hrw: we are from Mer side pushing OBS personally
Nov 24 12:02:11 <fiferboy> lardman, asleep in my arms now
Nov 24 12:02:28 <lardman> gentle typing
Nov 24 12:02:48 <fiferboy> I thought I would try to catch up with things, but talk is hopeless
Nov 24 12:03:39 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: What packages in Extras aren't installable?
Nov 24 12:03:44 <Jaffa> s/Stskeeps/hrw/
Nov 24 12:03:45 <infobot> Jaffa meant: hrw: What packages in Extras aren't installable?
Nov 24 12:03:46 <hrw> Stskeeps: for me it can be even using qemu under qemu under qemu and all on 386sx with 2MB ram as long as result will be proper feeds
Nov 24 12:04:00 <hrw> Jaffa: let me run vbox
Nov 24 12:04:15 <fiferboy> anything big going on lately?
Nov 24 12:04:51 <lardman> I've managed to get mbarcode into extras-devel
Nov 24 12:04:56 <lardman> not done anything with emerillon
Nov 24 12:05:07 <lardman> so not really :)
Nov 24 12:05:14 <hrw> lardman: 'mbarcode' because it is 'maemo barcode'?
Nov 24 12:05:23 <Stskeeps> oh dear
Nov 24 12:05:40 <Stskeeps> qwerty12 and qwertyberty on t.m.o
Nov 24 12:05:43 <Stskeeps> this is going to get complicated
Nov 24 12:05:44 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 24 12:05:48 * w00t_ blinks
Nov 24 12:06:04 <Stskeeps> both from UK
Nov 24 12:06:05 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 24 12:06:11 <lardman> hrw: yeah, and not allowed to use maemo in the name
Nov 24 12:07:08 <hrw> lardman: if your app is onl for maemo platform then what sense is in adding 'm' to name?
Nov 24 12:07:36 <hrw> if I will write modplayer then it will be hmqmodplay
Nov 24 12:07:37 <fiferboy> it is weird not doing any programming for so long
Nov 24 12:07:50 <hrw> to follow naming of other devs
Nov 24 12:08:02 <lardman> hrw: who knows
Nov 24 12:08:32 <derf> lardman: Yer welcome.
Nov 24 12:08:59 <hrw> so instead of just 'Module player' it will be 'Hrw M.emo Qt Module Player'
Nov 24 12:09:38 <fiferboy> time to go put the baby down
Nov 24 12:09:50 <lardman> hrw: yeah I understand, but decided not to name it after a noun
Nov 24 12:10:00 <lardman> or something ;)
Nov 24 12:10:16 <fiferboy> later all
Nov 24 12:11:05 <lardman> cu fiferboy
Nov 24 12:12:56 <hrw> heh.. sbox do not have killall command
Nov 24 12:14:51 <Stskeeps> sb-conf
Nov 24 12:15:14 <hrw> Jaffa: fmradio deends on n900-fmtx-enabler which is not installable
Nov 24 12:15:42 <adeus> be carefull with your kills inside the scratchbox
Nov 24 12:15:53 <adeus> host processes are visible :)
Nov 24 12:16:02 <hrw> Stskeeps: I did configured it for fremantle-x86 already
Nov 24 12:16:05 <hrw> adeus: I know
Nov 24 12:16:16 <hrw> adeus: and I use crapbox inside of vbox
Nov 24 12:16:17 <adeus> good
Nov 24 12:16:25 <Stskeeps> hrw: sb-conf has a kill all processes in target thing
Nov 24 12:17:09 <adeus> yeah that's handy
Nov 24 12:17:21 <hrw> and I love SBOX/etc/resolv.conf not being used for dns
Nov 24 12:18:15 <hrw> whoever created crapbox had some nice weed to smoke
Nov 24 12:18:50 <hrw> if I do 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' INSIDE of sbox then it should show me what it uses for dns - right?
Nov 24 12:19:01 <Stskeeps> or cat /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf
Nov 24 12:19:21 <hrw> Stskeeps: they are different files
Nov 24 12:22:09 <derf> cat /etc/resolv.conf inside sb should just show 127.0.0.1
Nov 24 12:22:27 <hrw> ~hail @####$@#$@ who killed tab cycle in maemo5 gtk
Nov 24 12:22:29 * infobot bows down to @####$@#$@ who killed tab cycle in maemo5 gtk and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
Nov 24 12:22:39 <felbutss> hey guys
Nov 24 12:22:39 <Stskeeps> welcome back felbutss
Nov 24 12:22:44 <felbutss> just got to work
Nov 24 12:22:56 <derf> (which is users/<user>/targets/<target>/etc/resolv.conf)
Nov 24 12:23:24 <felbutss> i prlug it in and it vibrats and the yellow light comes on, then i see nokia on the screen really faint with no back light
Nov 24 12:23:29 <felbutss> its like the firmware is half there. then it keeps restarting
Nov 24 12:23:38 <lardman> did it flash?
Nov 24 12:23:55 <felbutss> suitible usb device now found
Nov 24 12:24:02 <felbutss> suitible usb device not found
Nov 24 12:24:08 <Stskeeps> felbutss: how was the battery state before this happened?
Nov 24 12:24:22 <felbutss> about 20%
Nov 24 12:25:03 <Stskeeps> OK, did you bring your USB wall charger?
Nov 24 12:25:12 <felbutss> shit
Nov 24 12:25:14 <felbutss> no
Nov 24 12:25:17 <felbutss> lol
Nov 24 12:25:29 <felbutss> ok ill have to do it at my mates house now
Nov 24 12:25:36 <Stskeeps> one reason why it might not flash may be due to low battery
Nov 24 12:25:38 <felbutss> so u think i should charge it first
Nov 24 12:25:39 <Stskeeps> it's a safety thing
Nov 24 12:25:51 <Stskeeps> basically leave it in charger for a while, even if it continues rebooting
Nov 24 12:26:04 <felbutss> ok good point. very good point
Nov 24 12:26:19 <felbutss> ill go home now and charge it. ill let u guys know how i went in the morning
Nov 24 12:26:25 <Stskeeps> also, where do you plug in the usb cable?
Nov 24 12:26:31 <Stskeeps> in a usb port or directly in the PC?
Nov 24 12:26:34 <Stskeeps> err, usb hub
Nov 24 12:26:35 <guysoft_nokia> hey all, gpe calendar on my nokia n810 stopped resolving google calendars. is there anythinhg worng with it?
Nov 24 12:26:38 <felbutss> in the back
Nov 24 12:26:40 <felbutss> not the hub
Nov 24 12:26:47 <Stskeeps> ok, good
Nov 24 12:26:49 <lardman> even in the back it might be thro an internal hub
Nov 24 12:26:59 <lardman> so you might need to switch the socket you use
Nov 24 12:27:01 <felbutss> the battery really could be flat. makes sense. im just so panaking
Nov 24 12:27:17 <felbutss> ok ill try that now brb
Nov 24 12:27:18 <Stskeeps> felbutss: don't worry about it :) it's a managable problem for sure
Nov 24 12:27:39 <Stskeeps> you did everything by the book it seems, so
Nov 24 12:28:57 <guysoft_nokia> anyone uses here gpe calendar?
Nov 24 12:30:54 <Stskeeps> felbutss: good luck with it - just come and poke me here when you have it more charged
Nov 24 12:31:50 <tekojo> Hi, could someone check if they can run apt-get update in a Fremantle scratchbox environment
Nov 24 12:31:56 <tekojo> preferrably outside Finland
Nov 24 12:32:07 <hrw> Jaffa: extras-devel contains uninstallable stuff
Nov 24 12:32:19 <hrw> Jaffa: abus-frabs depends abuse which is missing
Nov 24 12:32:41 <hrw> apt-file, barrage, dfontmgr, aisleriot-card-theme-paris etc...
Nov 24 12:33:17 <felbutss> ye im trying it on a diferent machine. still no luck. might need the wall charger. will it charge no matter the state of the firmware?
Nov 24 12:33:29 <hrw> doc-base is required for few packages and is not available
Nov 24 12:33:32 <Stskeeps> tekojo: i have issues
Nov 24 12:33:46 <Stskeeps> felbutss: yes, the bootloader helps charging a little
Nov 24 12:34:05 <felbutss> ok. im off home then. fingers crossed for the morning
Nov 24 12:34:14 <felbutss> thanks for ur help stskeeps
Nov 24 12:34:25 <tekojo> Stskeeps 401 ?
Nov 24 12:34:26 <felbutss> if it works i o u
Nov 24 12:34:32 <Stskeeps> tekojo: jabber
Nov 24 12:34:51 <Stskeeps> felbutss: nah, just help out other people that has similar problems, and i'm happy :)
Nov 24 12:34:57 <felbutss> cya
Nov 24 12:39:45 <guysoft_nokia> hey all, gpe calendar on my nokia n810 stopped resolving google calendars. is there anythinhg worng with it? (repost)
Nov 24 12:49:40 <cenwesi> hello
Nov 24 13:03:16 <Davide> OMG where is my N900!!!!!!!!!
Nov 24 13:03:22 <Davide> ZOMG!!!!
Nov 24 13:04:58 <lardman> I just saw one fall past the window, perhaps it was yours?
Nov 24 13:05:04 <Davide> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Nov 24 13:05:22 <Davide> why didn't you catch it!!!!!!
Nov 24 13:05:30 <lardman> already got one
Nov 24 13:05:35 <Myrtti> Davide: how about you have a cup of chill
Nov 24 13:05:36 <lardman> don't want to be greedy
Nov 24 13:05:57 <Davide> lol Myrtti
Nov 24 13:06:18 <Davide> Myrtti, do you have an N900?
Nov 24 13:07:42 <Myrtti> no, I'
Nov 24 13:07:49 <Myrtti> m waiting for the prices go down a bit
Nov 24 13:08:34 <Davide> I would have paid more to have it a month ago!
Nov 24 13:09:47 <Myrtti> and you are paying exactly how much now?
Nov 24 13:14:03 <Davide> $529 hopefully - $50 rebate = $479 USD
Nov 24 13:14:04 <Myrtti> hm?
Nov 24 13:14:45 <Myrtti> and the prices here are currently around 830 USD, withtout rebates
Nov 24 13:15:05 <Myrtti> so, while you'll be prepared to pay more, I'll just wait here patiently, thank you very much.
Nov 24 13:17:17 <toggles_w> Davide: apparently newegg is going to hav 10% off tomorrow bringing base price to $504 - $50 rebate, $455 or so..
Nov 24 13:18:33 <toggles_w> Davide: http://gizmodo.com/5409755/newegg-black-friday-deals-leak
Nov 24 13:18:55 <SpeedEvil> I think I end up at $444 - once my final rebate comes through.
Nov 24 13:18:58 <toggles_w> no idea if it's actually true though but $450 is ok
Nov 24 13:19:00 <SpeedEvil> Which isn't bad. :)
Nov 24 13:19:08 <Davide> thanks...
Nov 24 13:19:20 <Davide> my problem is with newegg I pay taxes here in California
Nov 24 13:19:22 <Davide> with amazon I dont
Nov 24 13:19:31 <Davide> so its still a little cheaper with amazon, but most of all
Nov 24 13:19:37 <Davide> I don't want to delay the shipment any longer
Nov 24 13:19:40 <toggles_w> yeah, i'm on the amazon list too
Nov 24 13:19:43 <SpeedEvil> You pay taxes either way, you mean, you just have to remember to pay them one way you mean.
Nov 24 13:19:45 <Davide> has newegg started shipping?
Nov 24 13:19:47 <toggles_w> wonder when they will ship
Nov 24 13:20:01 <Davide> SpeedEvil, riiiiiiite
Nov 24 13:20:08 <Davide> let me rephrase
Nov 24 13:20:12 <SpeedEvil> :)
Nov 24 13:20:21 <Davide> with Amazon I can evade the IRS... with newegg I have to pay the taxes
Nov 24 13:20:28 <SpeedEvil> That includes VAT at 17.5% - for me.
Nov 24 13:20:41 <SpeedEvil> I wonder what's involved in setting up my own fake company.
Nov 24 13:20:53 <glass_> filling a form
Nov 24 13:20:55 <toggles_w> SpeedEvil: you in the (y)UK?
Nov 24 13:20:55 <SpeedEvil> (vat registered)
Nov 24 13:20:56 <Davide> is newegg shipping?
Nov 24 13:20:59 <SpeedEvil> toggles_w: yes
Nov 24 13:21:04 <SpeedEvil> toggles_w: actually.
Nov 24 13:21:07 * SpeedEvil checks.
Nov 24 13:21:13 <toggles_w> SpeedEvil: where did you get it and are you locked into a contract?
Nov 24 13:21:16 <SpeedEvil> toggles_w: yes, house hasn't been moved.
Nov 24 13:21:27 <SpeedEvil> toggles_w: nokia.co.uk - with no contract - with several voucher codes.
Nov 24 13:21:32 <toggles_w> i'll be in London thursday, if i can buy one cash for that price i might cancell newegg
Nov 24 13:21:37 <Davide> toggles_w, do you have any info on when anazon is shipping?
Nov 24 13:21:39 <SpeedEvil> toggles_w: You can't
Nov 24 13:21:45 <toggles_w> Davide: nope, sorry
Nov 24 13:21:50 <SpeedEvil> toggles_w: it was a one-off - expiring Oct 21
Nov 24 13:21:53 <toggles_w> SpeedEvil: blah.. you're a tease
Nov 24 13:21:56 <Davide> Dell is shipping I read!
Nov 24 13:22:03 <SpeedEvil> toggles_w: you can today get IIRC 15% off only.
Nov 24 13:22:09 <Davide> shoulda gone with dell!
Nov 24 13:22:22 <Davide> toggles_w,  when did you order from amazon?
Nov 24 13:22:25 <toggles_w> yeah, saw that yesterday
Nov 24 13:22:49 <toggles_w> about a week ago, then reordered on sunday when they dropped the price again
Nov 24 13:23:03 <Davide> you dont have to do that when they drop the price they'lll just adjust it
Nov 24 13:23:09 <Davide> I'm afraid of re-ordering
Nov 24 13:23:11 <toggles_w> yeah, i wasn't sure
Nov 24 13:23:23 <Davide> I ordered on Oct. 17th
Nov 24 13:23:31 <Davide> and I might not get the rebate cause of that
Nov 24 13:23:38 <toggles_w> reorder! ;-)
Nov 24 13:23:43 <Davide> but I"m afraid of re-ordering cause I don't want to lose my spot
Nov 24 13:23:45 <SpeedEvil> (however - I am planning on eventually getting a contract which will work out - if it goes right - 'free'.)
Nov 24 13:23:48 <SpeedEvil> (through rebates)
Nov 24 13:23:52 <toggles_w> i'm sure it's ship date not order date
Nov 24 13:23:59 <Davide> idk I hope so
Nov 24 13:24:08 <Davide> I called nokia and they seemed to think it was the order date
Nov 24 13:24:27 <Davide> idk
Nov 24 13:24:39 <toggles_w> order another and ship it back ;-)
Nov 24 13:24:40 <Davide> I dont care anyomre just want the damn thing
Nov 24 13:24:46 <Davide> thought about that too
Nov 24 13:25:07 <Davide> that means I cant open this one if it arrives first
Nov 24 13:25:13 <Davide> lol
Nov 24 13:25:27 <auenf> just accidentaly ship it to me
Nov 24 13:26:35 <zaheerm> SpeedEvil, 15% in uk for a little while :)
Nov 24 13:26:52 <SpeedEvil> zaheerm: oh - true.
Nov 24 13:26:57 <toggles_w> nokia.co.uk?
Nov 24 13:27:05 <zaheerm> 15% vat
Nov 24 13:28:27 <SpeedEvil> toggles_w: yes - me.
Nov 24 13:29:28 <toggles_w> still works out to 415UKP or ~USD670, little much
Nov 24 13:30:02 <toggles_w> i'll spend my money at the borough markets
Nov 24 13:44:41 <blwwar> hi
Nov 24 13:44:45 <blwwar> is maemo based on OO
Nov 24 13:45:00 <Stskeeps> err.
Nov 24 13:45:10 <Stskeeps> parse error, please restate your question :)
Nov 24 13:45:13 <CShadowRun> OO...OpenOffice?
Nov 24 13:45:48 <CShadowRun> Whatever OO is, no. It's based on Debian :P
Nov 24 13:46:59 <blwwar> object oriented
Nov 24 13:47:52 <lardman> it's not C atm no
Nov 24 13:47:54 <lardman> C++ even
Nov 24 13:48:09 <blwwar> then what is it
Nov 24 13:48:17 <Stskeeps> GObject may be consider OO..
Nov 24 13:48:21 <lardman> I guess so
Nov 24 13:48:32 <blwwar> what language is it programmed in
Nov 24 13:48:35 <lardman> blwwar: your question doesn't really make much sense you know
Nov 24 13:48:57 <lardman> blwwar: mixture of asm, c for the most part, tho you can program in whatever lang you want
Nov 24 13:49:05 <blwwar> ooh in C?
Nov 24 13:49:09 <blwwar> and asm
Nov 24 13:49:09 <blwwar> wow
Nov 24 13:49:09 <lardman> it is Linux after all
Nov 24 13:49:18 <blwwar> whats this thing abaout it being debian based?
Nov 24 13:49:54 <lardman> the maemo ui stuff is in C, but is moving to Qt, which therefore means C++
Nov 24 13:51:18 <lardman> it's based on debian....
Nov 24 13:51:31 <lardman> uses the same tools, .deb files, apt-get, etc, etc
Nov 24 13:54:08 <blwwar> ah ok
Nov 24 13:54:18 <blwwar> so this is something of a debian project?
Nov 24 13:54:57 <lardman> no
Nov 24 13:55:02 <blwwar> ah k
Nov 24 13:55:08 <blwwar> but wow asm and c
Nov 24 13:55:12 <blwwar> thats gotta be fast
Nov 24 13:55:24 <lardman> blwwar: Linux is written in C and ASM
Nov 24 13:55:29 <lardman> it is Linux
Nov 24 13:55:30 <blwwar> right
Nov 24 13:55:56 <lardman> a Linux which is based on Debian, with a UI called maemo
Nov 24 13:56:02 <lardman> which is written in C
Nov 24 13:56:03 <blwwar> ah
Nov 24 13:56:07 <lardman> using GTK+
Nov 24 13:56:11 <blwwar> ok
Nov 24 13:56:12 <lardman> but which will move to using Qt
Nov 24 13:57:48 <blwwar> so isnt android partly based on linux ytoo?
Nov 24 13:58:00 <lardman> yes, Linux is actually only the kernel
Nov 24 13:58:01 <zaheerm> blwwar, it has a linux kernel
Nov 24 13:58:06 <zaheerm> blwwar, but that is it
Nov 24 13:59:12 <blwwar> ok
Nov 24 13:59:48 <adeus> well...
Nov 24 13:59:52 <adeus> maemo is based on debian
Nov 24 14:00:01 <adeus> ..with a ui fw called hildon
Nov 24 14:00:06 <lardman> ah yes
Nov 24 14:00:41 <adeus> and Hildon is a set of GTK extensions
Nov 24 14:00:46 <blwwar> so whats the objective?
Nov 24 14:00:48 <blwwar> primary objective
Nov 24 14:00:50 <blwwar> be fast?
Nov 24 14:00:59 <lardman> be useful on a phone
Nov 24 14:01:16 <blwwar> well most phones are
Nov 24 14:01:21 <blwwar> android is , iphone is
Nov 24 14:01:25 <lardman> is what?
Nov 24 14:01:25 <blwwar> whats going to be different about maemo
Nov 24 14:01:29 <blwwar> useful
Nov 24 14:01:37 <yuizy> open source
Nov 24 14:01:38 <lardman> no, you asked what maemo's was goal was
Nov 24 14:01:54 <blwwar> will the phones be equipped with a cam ?
Nov 24 14:01:58 <lcuk> compatibility with desktop level libraries (and to some degree uis too)
Nov 24 14:02:21 <lcuk> 2 cameras
Nov 24 14:02:29 <blwwar> k
Nov 24 14:02:42 <lcuk> go read http://maemo.nokia.com :)
Nov 24 14:02:56 <glass_> blwwar: main differences philosophically with android: native apps are encouraged.  main difference with iphone: you don't need apple
Nov 24 14:03:15 <glass_> nor appstore shenigans
Nov 24 14:03:35 <blwwar> will maemo come with a kill switch too?
Nov 24 14:03:54 <lardman> if you hit someone really hard with it
Nov 24 14:04:05 <glass_> if you let someone to rm -rf
Nov 24 14:04:09 <glass_> dunno why would
Nov 24 14:04:14 <vesa> you can kill processes =P
Nov 24 14:04:15 <lcuk> glass_, "would you like a hannah montana screensaver with that?"
Nov 24 14:04:19 <lardman> what's a kill switch?
Nov 24 14:04:19 <blwwar> well
Nov 24 14:04:21 <blwwar> what i mean is
Nov 24 14:04:23 <cenwesi> does any one have any info on when Newegg will recieve and start shipping?
Nov 24 14:04:29 <blwwar> android said you could install watever apps
Nov 24 14:04:31 <glass_> lcuk: hannah montana screensaver done in flash
Nov 24 14:04:35 <blwwar> only later to find out they had a kill switch
Nov 24 14:04:41 <derf> cenwesi: Yes. Someone does.
Nov 24 14:04:43 <lardman> hmm, I see
Nov 24 14:04:45 <blwwar> if they wanated to they could use the kill switch to erase your app
Nov 24 14:04:52 <blwwar> or something of that degree
Nov 24 14:04:58 <blwwar> it made big headlines im sure you all know
Nov 24 14:05:19 <lcuk> blwwar, only because they removed 1984 or something
Nov 24 14:05:27 <blwwar> whats 1984
Nov 24 14:05:31 <lardman> they can remotely remove apps from your Android phone?
Nov 24 14:05:35 <blwwar> yeah
Nov 24 14:05:38 <blwwar> it came in the newqs
Nov 24 14:05:42 <lcuk> ahhh hang on, that was kindle
Nov 24 14:05:46 <blwwar> and they were like " all phones have it but they dont admit to it"
Nov 24 14:05:48 <lcuk> im getting my digital overlords mixed up
Nov 24 14:05:54 <glass_> they can remotely decide to do anything with your android, provided you install their updates
Nov 24 14:06:03 <lardman> blwwar: service messages you mean?
Nov 24 14:06:04 <VDVsx> discovered this pearl via qgil post about ovi.sore: http://store.ovi.com/content/77A1756EAB12B3EFE040050A87320E87?clickSource=search
Nov 24 14:06:12 <VDVsx> ifart is doomed :P
Nov 24 14:06:18 <blwwar> i dont remember what exactly
Nov 24 14:06:19 <cenwesi> derf who?
Nov 24 14:06:21 <blwwar> they called it a kill switch
Nov 24 14:06:38 <lardman> I'm thinking about the implemention
Nov 24 14:06:49 <lardman> specifically with reference to their comment about every phone having the ability
Nov 24 14:06:52 <blwwar> so like
Nov 24 14:06:53 <lcuk> VDVsx, you seen the vid/pic of someone with iphone with multiple pages of fart apps
Nov 24 14:06:54 <blwwar> for support
Nov 24 14:06:56 <lcuk> long way to go yet
Nov 24 14:06:58 <glass_> blwwar: anyhow, with maemo, you don't need appstore-someone-else-manages-your-apps shit, unless you want
Nov 24 14:07:00 <blwwar> on maemo
Nov 24 14:07:02 <blwwar> we come here?
Nov 24 14:07:12 <VDVsx> lcuk, no, lol
Nov 24 14:07:14 <blwwar> or mail nokia i suppose?
Nov 24 14:07:20 <lcuk> lemme just see
Nov 24 14:07:36 <suihkulokki> who's going to do the first fart app for maemo?
Nov 24 14:07:43 <lcuk> blwwar, depends on app source and stuff, usually theres support channels of some variety, whether it be bugtrackers or something
Nov 24 14:07:58 <lcuk> well khertan already made light sabre and of course moobox exists
Nov 24 14:08:05 <lcuk> so you could just change the pic and sounds
Nov 24 14:08:07 <lcuk> and have fun
Nov 24 14:08:07 <VDVsx> lcuk, that one is very advanced: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiZNp65QWv8
Nov 24 14:08:19 <blwwar> ok
Nov 24 14:08:25 <lcuk> suihkulokki, we need a doorbell widget
Nov 24 14:08:39 <blwwar> no i mean issues with the phone besides hardware
Nov 24 14:08:39 <glass_> panic button widget
Nov 24 14:08:46 <blwwar> i'd be looking at support from maemo right
Nov 24 14:08:47 <glass_> i a big button that would erase all your data
Nov 24 14:08:48 <blwwar> for the n900
Nov 24 14:08:55 <lcuk> just a simple pic and a sound when pressed
Nov 24 14:09:10 <lcuk> so kids can make variations without needing tonnes of knowledge
Nov 24 14:09:29 <lcuk> it should be autopackagable and use khertans pypackager as well
Nov 24 14:09:36 <lcuk> so you can download a "fart making app"
Nov 24 14:09:40 <lcuk> and make as many as you want
Nov 24 14:09:49 <zaheerm> VDVsx, i updated the travel part for bcn long weekend, just check if it makes sense to you pls
Nov 24 14:10:00 <lcuk> all configured correctly to pass the -testing criteria
Nov 24 14:10:04 <VDVsx> zaheerm, let me see :)
Nov 24 14:10:36 <lcuk> are we arranging our own travel for long weekend or waiting for the .fi agency as usual?
Nov 24 14:10:39 <zs> can I install latest maemo sdk on 64-bit architecture?
Nov 24 14:10:44 <zaheerm> VDVsx, i replaced the fixmes that i added last week
Nov 24 14:10:55 <zaheerm> lcuk, the fi agency already booked my flights
Nov 24 14:11:20 <VDVsx> lcuk, me too
Nov 24 14:11:26 <Ford_Prefect> Is libOMX_Core.so supposed to be available on the x86 part of the SDK?
Nov 24 14:11:26 <lcuk> i best look back through my list then :S ive been a bit sidetracked gettin job
Nov 24 14:11:58 <VDVsx> zaheerm, sound good, thanks :)
Nov 24 14:12:02 <VDVsx> *sounds
Nov 24 14:25:52 <serenity> hi
Nov 24 14:26:12 <t_s_o> hmm, so no warranty on discount devices...
Nov 24 14:26:27 <serenity> is there a possibility to use the fm-transmitter for telephoning?
Nov 24 14:26:41 <zaheerm> VDVsx, i should put a link to a google map from cornella station to the hotel i guess
Nov 24 14:31:03 <Jaffa> hrw: Does it give a reason as to why n900-fmtx-enabler is not installable? (apt-get might give more info)
Nov 24 14:34:01 <hrw> Jaffa: that was all what it said
Nov 24 14:34:12 <hrw> and I shutdowned that vbox
Nov 24 14:34:23 <pillar> is there no unrar for maemo?
Nov 24 14:35:08 <pillar> I can find unzip from extras-devel, but couldn't find anything mentioning rars
Nov 24 14:38:02 <wazd> RST38h: ping
Nov 24 14:43:28 <lardman> hmm, just received a message from maemo.org about mbarcode, just containing a comment
Nov 24 14:46:14 <lardman> hmm, never realised apps have their own pages
Nov 24 15:00:12 <mgedmin> pillar, unrar 1:3.5.4-1 exists in extras-devel
Nov 24 15:00:17 <mgedmin> for fremantle
Nov 24 15:00:35 <pillar> mgedmin hmm I wonder why I didn't see it then
Nov 24 15:00:39 <pillar> thanks for the info
Nov 24 15:01:11 <Stskeeps> pillar: command line application, so not in user/
Nov 24 15:01:14 <Stskeeps> apt-get would get it
Nov 24 15:01:18 <pillar> ok
Nov 24 15:03:11 <tigert> sigh, always this problem with extras-devel
Nov 24 15:03:45 <tigert> ..and now it worked again once i whined about it
Nov 24 15:03:46 * mgedmin uses command-line just because app manager is soooo slooow
Nov 24 15:04:00 <pillar> now I found it, but when trying apt-get install unrar it says unauthorized
Nov 24 15:04:00 <tigert> some mirror being broken?
Nov 24 15:04:56 <tigert> hah
Nov 24 15:05:06 <tigert> apt-get install anarchism
Nov 24 15:05:12 <tigert> sounds scary :)
Nov 24 15:05:24 <tigert> apt-get life ;)
Nov 24 15:05:48 <Stskeeps> pillar: there's a export filter problem on repositories right now
Nov 24 15:06:39 <pillar> Stskeeps: I thought something might be going on - in app manager I kept receiving this failed error even on testing
Nov 24 15:06:55 <mgedmin> pillar, it _always_ says unauthorized, dunno why nobody ever set up package signing properly for maemo
Nov 24 15:08:11 <lardman> it was removed wasn't it as it annoyed people
Nov 24 15:08:27 <DocScrutinizer> in case anybody cares: Nokia Germany starts shipping preorders tomorrow, express first
Nov 24 15:08:27 <sjaensch_> mgedmin: there seems to be a problem with the repositories right now, at least for me. maybe that is what pillar is seeing? check out http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle/free/binary-i386/Packages.gz
Nov 24 15:08:34 <Ford_Prefect> It was weird - I got a 401 quoting an IP that wasn't mine
Nov 24 15:08:38 <sjaensch_> mgedmin: I'm getting a 401 (not authorized)
Nov 24 15:08:41 <sjaensch_> that used to work
Nov 24 15:08:42 <Stskeeps> Ford_Prefect: that's the mirror's
Nov 24 15:08:43 <mgedmin> ah, *that* 401
Nov 24 15:08:47 <mgedmin> sorry, I misunderstood
Nov 24 15:08:51 <pillar> yep that's what I'm getting as well
Nov 24 15:08:52 <tigert> yea repos doen for me too
Nov 24 15:09:01 <tigert> 401, ditto
Nov 24 15:09:20 <Ford_Prefect> Hum, worked for me after a while
Nov 24 15:09:27 <Ford_Prefect> Think I might have logged off and logged back in
Nov 24 15:09:27 <pillar> now it worked for me
Nov 24 15:10:16 <VDVsx> jeremiah, ping
Nov 24 15:11:10 <hrw> bye
Nov 24 15:15:47 <wazd> ok, I'm out to the nokia meetup
Nov 24 15:16:04 <Stskeeps> have fun
Nov 24 15:16:24 <wazd> Stskeeps: I think it's gonna look like a tragedy for me :D
Nov 24 15:16:43 <Stskeeps> depends on who's there :P
Nov 24 15:17:32 <wazd> Stskeeps: I really hope they invited some genuine maemo guy, not just some russian PR manager
Nov 24 15:17:51 <wazd> Stskeeps: that measures built-in memory in songs and DVD-quality movies :D
Nov 24 15:17:59 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Nov 24 15:20:59 <lardman> bmidgley: are you about?
Nov 24 15:29:08 <Juzna> is it possible to use latin9 with xterm somehow?
Nov 24 15:32:32 <zaheerm> VDVsx, thx for the bug report :)
Nov 24 15:33:25 <VDVsx> zaheerm, also the play/pause buttons seems a bit blurred, you're using stock icons right ?
Nov 24 15:33:34 <zaheerm> VDVsx, yep
Nov 24 15:34:01 <zaheerm> VDVsx, i have experimental code here that changes the playing ui to be more like the media player one
Nov 24 15:34:17 <zaheerm> but not all hooked up etc.
Nov 24 15:34:22 <VDVsx> zaheerm, I've seen other apps in the same issue
Nov 24 15:34:39 <VDVsx> maybe a bug or maybe there some other way to use the icons
Nov 24 15:35:10 <zaheerm> could be
Nov 24 15:36:09 <VDVsx> zaheerm, did you tried to increase the video size ? looks bad ?
Nov 24 15:36:30 <zaheerm> VDVsx, ?
Nov 24 15:37:29 <zaheerm> VDVsx, i just made it appear in the size of the widget, so yes it resizes but it should preserve aspect ratio
Nov 24 15:38:03 <VDVsx> zaheerm, forget, I tried with a video that has black bar on the sides, lol
Nov 24 15:39:06 <VDVsx> zaheerm, another feature request, probably you've it implemented yet :p
Nov 24 15:39:32 <VDVsx> the controls should be add when you tape the screen
Nov 24 15:39:51 <zaheerm> VDVsx, yes that is in my experimental code
Nov 24 15:39:54 <VDVsx> S/should be/ should be hided /
Nov 24 15:40:24 <zaheerm> ie full screen by default, video full screen, controls come over the video when screen is tapped and then after a timeout of inactivity they go away
Nov 24 15:40:49 <VDVsx> zaheerm, exactly :)
Nov 24 15:40:58 <zaheerm> yep that i am working on
Nov 24 15:41:06 <VDVsx> :)
Nov 24 15:41:35 <zaheerm> maybe something that could be given some thought in barcelona
Nov 24 15:41:53 <zaheerm> with some ux guys to suggest what would work best
Nov 24 15:44:15 <lcuk> zaheerm, pics
Nov 24 15:44:24 <zaheerm> lcuk, pics?
Nov 24 15:44:43 <lcuk> of your app and ui and stuff
Nov 24 15:45:01 <zaheerm> well the current released app you can install from extras-testing
Nov 24 15:45:18 <zaheerm> and play with it
Nov 24 15:45:36 <zaheerm> here is package page: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/zoutube/0.1-18/
Nov 24 15:45:55 <zaheerm> the experimental code is horribly broken currently :)
Nov 24 15:46:06 <lardman> does it open YouTube videos?
Nov 24 15:46:07 <zaheerm> so can't really show pics of that
Nov 24 15:46:18 <zaheerm> lardman, yep it is a youtube browser
Nov 24 15:46:35 <pupnik_> did you see the fast forest scene using volumetric billboarding?
Nov 24 15:46:41 <lardman> do you accept dbus requests?
Nov 24 15:46:51 <pupnik_> sorry wrong paste
Nov 24 15:47:05 <zaheerm> lardman, no but i can add that in without much trouble i think
Nov 24 15:47:25 <lardman> just that some barcodes can contain youtube://id data
Nov 24 15:47:47 <zaheerm> lardman, yah no worries, can do that pretty easily i think
Nov 24 15:47:47 <lardman> so was thinking what app should handle that
Nov 24 15:48:03 <lardman> ok, no rush though, still other things to get sorted too :)
Nov 24 15:48:43 <dmj726> hehe, was just going to let you know that it's broken
Nov 24 15:48:58 <lardman> what's that?
Nov 24 15:49:51 <dmj726> zoutube
Nov 24 15:50:00 <lardman> ah, not me then
Nov 24 15:50:03 <zaheerm> dmj726, it is? :)
Nov 24 15:50:05 * lardman goes back to work
Nov 24 15:50:12 <zaheerm> dmj726, what's broken in it?
Nov 24 15:50:45 <zaheerm> and are you using the latest version in extras-testing?
Nov 24 15:51:17 <dmj726> it seems to get stuck loading the video
Nov 24 15:51:35 <dmj726> yeah...latest version in it's either testing or devel
Nov 24 15:52:19 <dmj726> When I click to load a video it freezes
Nov 24 15:52:31 <zaheerm> dmj726, on n900 or scratchbox?
Nov 24 15:52:38 <dmj726> scratchbox
Nov 24 15:52:44 <dmj726> I don't have an n900 yet
Nov 24 15:52:56 <VDVsx> qwerty12, with your new app name we've the full set :P lol
Nov 24 15:53:07 <zaheerm> dmj726, if you run it with: run-standalone.sh /opt/zoutube/zoutube can you paste me the stdout in a pastebin
Nov 24 15:53:13 <qwerty12> VDVsx: Blame thp :P
Nov 24 15:53:19 <VDVsx> Modest Petrovich Mussorgsky lol
Nov 24 15:53:58 <derf> Haha.
Nov 24 15:54:25 <Juzna> umm
Nov 24 15:54:40 <Juzna> n900 has only utf8 charsets compiled?
Nov 24 15:55:44 <nomis> Juzna: what do you mean?
Nov 24 15:55:48 <Robot101> non-utf8 is loss
Nov 24 15:55:54 <bilboed-pi> omg, no utf16 ! we're doooomed
Nov 24 15:56:10 <Juzna> id prefer latin9 currently
Nov 24 15:56:11 <bilboed-pi> maemon not compatible with 1990's windows software
Nov 24 15:56:31 <Juzna> or it would be nice have proper charset with ssh
Nov 24 15:56:39 <Ceron^> thats why Juzna prefers windows mobile!
Nov 24 15:56:44 <Robot101> if your ssh is broken, its because your remote end is broken
Nov 24 15:56:58 <Robot101> it's 2009, unicode has been around for a looooong time
Nov 24 15:57:01 <Ceron^> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Comic_Chat use this on your maemo!
Nov 24 15:57:06 <Robot101> phone your sysadmin and tell them to toughen up
Nov 24 15:57:09 <Juzna> :D
Nov 24 15:57:15 <Juzna> yes but it aint a solution
Nov 24 15:57:33 <Robot101> patch maemo-xterm to support other encodings then
Nov 24 15:57:40 <Robot101> vte probably supports it
Nov 24 15:57:43 <benno2> hi, I have a N810. does anyone know how I can set the speaker volume to maximum using a script ? thanks.
Nov 24 15:57:57 <Robot101> you don't need the locale on your device to decode terminal output differently
Nov 24 15:58:05 <Robot101> but really, where are you SSHing to? the 70s?
Nov 24 15:58:15 <Juzna> sweet 80s
Nov 24 15:58:42 <pupnik_> Enigma is a "perfect" marble game for N900
Nov 24 15:58:45 <Robot101> don't you need an x3270 terminal emulator?
Nov 24 15:58:57 <Robot101> you could be the first mainframe sysadmin from your N900
Nov 24 15:59:19 <dmj726> Heh...now I'm confused
Nov 24 15:59:37 <dmj726> zaheerm: it was totally freezing up not 5 minutes ago.
Nov 24 15:59:51 <pupnik_> we couldn run the ibm z-series emu on N900
Nov 24 15:59:56 <dmj726> Perhaps the restart of scratchbox fixed it.
Nov 24 16:00:14 <pupnik_> whats it called
Nov 24 16:03:07 <zaheerm> dmj726, lol
Nov 24 16:03:16 <zaheerm> dmj726, if you reproduce it let me know
Nov 24 16:03:23 <dmj726> sorry to waste your time there!
Nov 24 16:04:45 <dmj726> ...yeah it might've been some weirdness between my bastardtube and your zoutube
Nov 24 16:06:28 <dmj726> ...nope that's not it
Nov 24 16:07:07 <dmj726> ...fyi bastardtube is just zoutube with a bastardized gui
Nov 24 16:19:55 <Stskeeps> heya qole
Nov 24 16:20:13 <qole> Stskeeps, hey
Nov 24 16:20:21 <Stskeeps> how's it going?
Nov 24 16:21:37 <qole> heading off to work...
Nov 24 16:21:54 <Stskeeps> hehe :P i'm never really sure when i'm at work these days
Nov 24 16:22:17 <qole> on the bus, restoring my N900 from the full reflash I gave her last night...
Nov 24 16:22:57 <qole> I miss your style of job, working from home
Nov 24 16:23:15 <Stskeeps> i like it occasionally but i don't get to use my n900 so much as a mobile device :P
Nov 24 16:23:53 <AdmiralUD> could anybody provide some pointers on where to look for APIs to access SMS information in maemo5 (n900)?
Nov 24 16:24:00 <Stskeeps> qole: btw, weird idea i had.. it should technically be possible to grab open source .deb packages of diablo, drop them in a chroot, and have diablo chroot on fremantle P
Nov 24 16:24:28 <qole> I notice my battery level was significantly higher after reflash, so one of the things they've done is lowered the "Empty" level...
Nov 24 16:24:37 <Stskeeps> that's probably good :P
Nov 24 16:25:27 <qole> Stskeeps, my experience is that you can't have two hildon desktops running simultaneously.
Nov 24 16:25:48 <Stskeeps> well, for apps, not HD itself
Nov 24 16:25:58 <Stskeeps> then again may be too much effort :P
Nov 24 16:27:25 <qole> no, Diablo chroot works, but there isn't a huge need for it, except to save rootfs space...
Nov 24 16:27:48 * Stskeeps nods
Nov 24 16:28:35 <qole> that development chroot idea of yours was a big hit with qwerty12...
Nov 24 16:29:01 <Stskeeps> yeah, someone else made it too didn't they?
Nov 24 16:29:23 <jeremiah> VDVsx: pong
Nov 24 16:30:32 <VDVsx> jeremiah, about the repos, but you perhaps are already taking care of this :9
Nov 24 16:30:33 <qole> Stskeeps, yes.
Nov 24 16:30:38 <lardman> jeremiah: hey
Nov 24 16:30:41 <jeremiah> hi
Nov 24 16:30:48 <jeremiah> VDVsx: Yeah, diablo packages not getting in?
Nov 24 16:31:03 <lardman> jeremiah: Any thoughts as to how to remove python as a runtime dep for zbar (is a build-time dep as it builds bindings)?
Nov 24 16:31:07 <VDVsx> jeremiah, not fremantle ones are a bit broken these days
Nov 24 16:31:11 <VDVsx> *nop
Nov 24 16:31:15 <Stskeeps> VDVsx: the 401 stuff is not jeremiah's fault i think :P
Nov 24 16:31:22 <qole> ha, keyboard remapped! Fn-right = Tab
Nov 24 16:31:26 <Stskeeps> qole: how? :P
Nov 24 16:31:37 <VDVsx> Stskeeps, yeah, but I'm getting other errors in the last days
Nov 24 16:31:38 * Stskeeps would like to move things on his kbd a bit 
Nov 24 16:31:51 <jeremiah> VDVsx: What kind of errors are you getting?
Nov 24 16:31:55 <VDVsx> -devel is most of the time with issues
Nov 24 16:32:07 <VDVsx> something about a hash key
Nov 24 16:32:10 <VDVsx> let me check
Nov 24 16:32:42 <jeremiah> hash key? Interesting.
Nov 24 16:32:54 <qole> see dev mailing list ... now all I have to do is, "xkbcomp qole.xkb :0" as root to get my custom mappings.
Nov 24 16:33:08 <Stskeeps> cool
Nov 24 16:33:10 <qole> should I find the post?
Nov 24 16:33:16 <Stskeeps> so they actually do use xkb
Nov 24 16:33:18 <Stskeeps> that's nice
Nov 24 16:34:18 <Stskeeps> so, when is X-Fade back from vacation? :P
Nov 24 16:35:17 <VDVsx> jeremiah, works know :p
Nov 24 16:35:20 <VDVsx> *now
Nov 24 16:35:47 <jeremiah> Well - I'll be taking a look at the repos later tonight
Nov 24 16:35:58 <qwerty12> andre__: pcntuation iz optinal u no
Nov 24 16:36:03 <jeremiah> I'll poke into the fremantle repos and logs to see if I can find something.
Nov 24 16:36:21 <andre__> qwerty12, you're stalking me! ;-)
Nov 24 16:36:22 <jeremiah> Stskeeps: Heh, we all want to know
Nov 24 16:36:35 <jeremiah> When does the X man return?
Nov 24 16:36:43 <qwerty12> andre__: Look behind you, or rather... don't
Nov 24 16:36:53 <VDVsx> jeremiah, I had a lot issues during the weekend :(
Nov 24 16:36:55 * Stskeeps should register for qaiku
Nov 24 16:36:58 <jeremiah> Since he has not documented his code very well, he is needed badly.
Nov 24 16:37:09 <jeremiah> Stskeeps: You're not on maemork?
Nov 24 16:37:16 <Stskeeps> jeremiah: no, but i guess i should be :P
Nov 24 16:37:49 <Stskeeps> been doing reporting another place so :P
Nov 24 16:37:59 <andre__> qwerty12: behind me I can only see my pool and my golf course. you invisible?!
Nov 24 16:38:04 <jeremiah> That is the thing - one ends up reporting in so many places
Nov 24 16:38:11 <jeremiah> Kind of frustrating.
Nov 24 16:38:11 <andre__> +1
Nov 24 16:38:31 <jeremiah> But I think maemork is semi-official and both Tero and Quim are there so . . .
Nov 24 16:38:46 <qole> thank you all for reporting to the community.
Nov 24 16:38:52 <qwerty12> andre__: Your golf course provides lots of places from which I can see you but you cannot see me
Nov 24 16:39:14 <andre__> hmm. hmm, hmm. i should have built a way cheaper one.
Nov 24 16:39:30 <qole> and yes, Stskeeps, get on maemork
Nov 24 16:39:45 <Stskeeps> qole: i am, suddenly realized something wasn't quite right :)
Nov 24 16:41:06 <derf> lardman: Should the Python bindings maybe be in a separate package?
Nov 24 16:41:35 <benno2a> is it possible in maemo 4 (n810) to autostart an application when the desktop comes up ?
Nov 24 16:41:44 <benno2a> I need to start a shell script
Nov 24 16:41:46 <jeremiah> qole: :) Thank you for saying thanks - it may seem like a small thing but it is nice to know that one does not go unnoticed.
Nov 24 16:42:15 <qwerty12> jeremiah: Mmm, you know we all hate you, right?
Nov 24 16:42:22 <jeremiah> Well, that I knew.
Nov 24 16:42:43 <jeremiah> I just want ackowledgement of that. =D
Nov 24 16:45:02 <qole> jeremiah, I have my packages in "free" now, they are going through the autobuilder!
Nov 24 16:45:17 * qole beams with pride
Nov 24 16:46:14 <jeremiah> qole: You rock!
Nov 24 16:46:27 <jeremiah> And you are haning out here!
Nov 24 16:46:34 <jeremiah> s/haning/hanging
Nov 24 16:46:45 <jeremiah> qole == serious dev
Nov 24 16:47:49 <VDVsx> jeremiah, btw, I replied to your email about better doc for the maemo.org infra, but the mail got stuck in the approval list of the maemo-work private list, dunno who's the admin :(
Nov 24 16:48:26 <jeremiah> I will hunt that down - that kinda sucks
Nov 24 16:48:54 <jeremiah> I think the council needs to gently remind Nokia / Nemein / maemo.org devs that the servers are really community property
Nov 24 16:49:04 <jeremiah> And they need to be dealt with in a transparent matter
Nov 24 16:49:11 <jeremiah> Which means lots of documentation
Nov 24 16:49:36 <qole> jeremiah, not a serious dev yet, but learning.... I can run git on my N900 too, push commits to garage and everything.
Nov 24 16:49:54 <AdmiralUD> I am trying to read SMS messages in maemo 5 from code, am I on the right track with the telepathy APIs and the rich text interface?
Nov 24 16:50:20 <jeremiah> qole: Actually, you're package is pretty complex
Nov 24 16:50:45 <jeremiah> sorry, I meant your package is pretty complex
Nov 24 16:50:53 <VDVsx> jeremiah, I've asked nemein guys & dneary & Tero, but no luck :P
Nov 24 16:51:19 <jeremiah> VDVsx: Okay - it should be ferenc who knows that bit, since he is being X-Fade while X-Fade is away
Nov 24 16:51:31 <VDVsx> jeremiah, no is not
Nov 24 16:51:39 <jeremiah> No?
Nov 24 16:51:41 <jeremiah> hunh
Nov 24 16:51:43 <jeremiah> weird
Nov 24 16:52:05 <VDVsx> jeremiah, nop, was the first one that I poked :)
Nov 24 16:52:20 <jeremiah> yeah, that is who I would have poked.
Nov 24 16:53:07 <jeremiah> I can take a look, but generally X-Fade handles the mailing lists.
Nov 24 16:53:16 <jeremiah> Maybe we need a listmaster too. :(
Nov 24 16:53:58 <andre__> yes, as I still have not seen my posting from 5 weeks ago which was bigger than 40KB :-(
Nov 24 16:56:19 <jeremiah> Yeah, the lists have been kinda light lately
Nov 24 16:56:27 <jeremiah> And there has been some weird mail going out
Nov 24 16:56:45 <jeremiah> So someone who likes to look through mail logs might be useful right now.
Nov 24 16:56:52 <jeremiah> Guess that is me for the time being. :)
Nov 24 16:57:05 <Klowner_> bah, I should have pre-ordered at Nokia Chicago and just drove 3 hours to pick up the darned thing
Nov 24 16:57:44 <SpeedEvil>  np: The Proclaimers - I would walk 500 miles.
Nov 24 16:59:57 <Stskeeps> wb
Nov 24 17:00:27 <javispedro> hi
Nov 24 17:04:04 <TheInternet> Hello all!
Nov 24 17:04:10 <Stskeeps> hello
Nov 24 17:06:17 <TheInternet> I won a computer at work the other day (with no operating system on it)!
Nov 24 17:06:36 <TheInternet> I installed ubuntu and thought I would give linux a try
Nov 24 17:06:47 <qwerty12> Man, everyone knows MS-DOS is the shit
Nov 24 17:06:52 <Ceron^> http://i.imgur.com/56FnX.jpg
Nov 24 17:06:55 * VDVsx is also creating a qaiku account for maemork :)
Nov 24 17:07:09 <TheInternet> I ran into the Maemo 5 SDK and decided to install it
Nov 24 17:07:20 <TheInternet> now, having never done anything in linux before
Nov 24 17:07:21 <Stskeeps> that's a strange turn of events, TheInternet
Nov 24 17:07:24 <TheInternet> im completely lost
Nov 24 17:07:50 <Klowner> TheInternet: if you've used osx extensively you're probably not too lost
Nov 24 17:08:08 <TheInternet> My main machines are Windows-based
Nov 24 17:08:17 <Klowner> oh, well then, you're probably pretty lost
Nov 24 17:08:21 <TheInternet> (work, play, etc.)
Nov 24 17:08:25 <jeremiah> qwerty12: lulz
Nov 24 17:08:28 <kalikiana> TheInternet, that's an odd way to learn linux, but an unusual idea, I like that :-)
Nov 24 17:08:29 <pupnik_> linux 101
Nov 24 17:08:35 <jeremiah> MS-DOS is the shit
Nov 24 17:08:42 <pupnik_> welcome to the shell
Nov 24 17:08:48 <dmj726> Don't worry, many of us were once Windows users.
Nov 24 17:08:56 <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
Nov 24 17:08:56 <TheInternet> haha
Nov 24 17:09:05 <TheInternet> bring me to the light
Nov 24 17:09:05 <SpeedEvil> I used it till about 1998.
Nov 24 17:09:08 <TheInternet> gentlemen
Nov 24 17:09:10 <SpeedEvil> maybe 99.
Nov 24 17:09:17 <Klowner> heheh, 10 years ago, yea
Nov 24 17:09:32 * qwerty12 is typing from an XP machine
Nov 24 17:09:42 * jeremiah stares at qwerty12 
Nov 24 17:09:51 <dmj726> TheInternet: Don't be afraid of the terminal (In windows it's the command line).
Nov 24 17:09:53 <pupnik_> i quit windows after developing for sql server 6.x
Nov 24 17:09:58 * jeremiah fires his eyeball lasers at qwerty12 
Nov 24 17:10:06 <qwerty12> jeremiah: That stare... Man. */me hides*
Nov 24 17:10:06 <TheInternet> anyone care to elaborate as far as installation goes
Nov 24 17:10:14 <kalikiana> dmj726, command line != terminal
Nov 24 17:10:26 <kalikiana> the command line is inside the terminal ;)
Nov 24 17:10:34 * jeremiah watches as qwerty12's XP machine goes up in smoke.
Nov 24 17:10:37 <Klowner> TheInternet: you haven't installed ubuntu yet?
Nov 24 17:10:38 <pupnik_> TheInternet: there is a sdk wiki and docs
Nov 24 17:10:49 <TheInternet> yeah i installed ubuntu
Nov 24 17:10:53 <pupnik_> if something is unclear lets fix wiki
Nov 24 17:10:58 * jeremiah presents qwerty12 with a brand new debian machine
Nov 24 17:11:12 <dmj726> They're analogous concepts linux "terminal" >> windows "command line"
Nov 24 17:11:37 <dmj726> TheInternet: What is causing you trouble?
Nov 24 17:11:52 <VDVsx> do you use any app to follow #maemork ? :)
Nov 24 17:12:06 <VDVsx> jeremiah, ^
Nov 24 17:12:18 * VDVsx is new to Qaiku :)
Nov 24 17:12:22 <TheInternet> i am trying to install the sdk using the .py GUI installer
Nov 24 17:12:24 <kalikiana> dmj726, they're not. a terminal is just what's around the interpreter. think terminal *emulator* if that helps
Nov 24 17:12:27 <qwerty12> VDVsx: Not #maemork, but I'd recommend the following: eyes, an internet browser, and the F5 button
Nov 24 17:13:17 * VDVsx kicks qwerty12's  cat -> http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/138843-1/Cat_attacks_Breakdancer.gif :P
Nov 24 17:13:48 <qwerty12> Heh
Nov 24 17:13:53 <dmj726> kalikkiana: Okay, I get that.  My point was that the from the new user perspective the going to the "terminal" is like going to the "command line" on windows
Nov 24 17:14:06 <Klowner> TheInternet: which instructions are you following?
Nov 24 17:14:39 <TheInternet> the ones at the maemo.org wiki
Nov 24 17:15:22 <Klowner> TheInternet: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo_5_SDK_installation_for_beginners  is the one for maemo 5, or are you setting up maemo 4?
Nov 24 17:15:22 <TheInternet> 5
Nov 24 17:15:41 <TheInternet> what is scratchbox
Nov 24 17:16:06 <Klowner> part of the cross compiling stuff I think
Nov 24 17:16:27 <TheInternet> oh riht
Nov 24 17:16:29 <TheInternet> right
Nov 24 17:16:34 <TheInternet> it says it on the site you linked me to
Nov 24 17:16:38 <TheInternet> thanks Klowner
Nov 24 17:16:43 <jeremiah> VDVsx: You know, I have tried with several apps, but the best tool I think is an RSS reader
Nov 24 17:16:52 <TheInternet> I'll give this a try and let you know whats up
Nov 24 17:17:00 <jeremiah> Since Quaiku doesn't really work in Mauku from fremantle for some reason
Nov 24 17:17:37 <jeremiah> Scratchbox is a development environment, part of the SDK for Maemo
Nov 24 17:17:54 <TheInternet> got it, thanks!
Nov 24 17:18:06 <TheInternet> i'll be back later gentleman
Nov 24 17:18:16 <TheInternet> hopefully with a successful status update
Nov 24 17:18:21 <TheInternet> (and more questions)
Nov 24 17:18:33 <jeremiah> Good luck!
Nov 24 17:18:35 <Klowner> I'm going through the instructions as well
Nov 24 17:18:39 * Xisdibik sighs
Nov 24 17:18:44 <Xisdibik> yet another day of rage against qwerty12
Nov 24 17:19:02 <Klowner> hrm, authorization required for http://repository.maemo.org/unstable/5.0beta2/maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0beta2.sh
Nov 24 17:19:21 <qwerty12> <soliloquy> They all hate me. *sniff* </soliloquy>
Nov 24 17:20:35 <Xisdibik> ;)
Nov 24 17:20:48 <Klowner> the maemo-sdk-install_5.0beta2.sh downloads fine, but the maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0beta2.sh is returning a 401
Nov 24 17:21:27 <Klowner> anyone around that has access to prod repository.maemo.org's innards?
Nov 24 17:23:03 <kalikiana> Klowner, I can open that file just fine. Is it just empty for you?
Nov 24 17:23:22 <Klowner> it's giving me a 401 auth required response
Nov 24 17:23:45 <Klowner> now it works..
Nov 24 17:23:46 <Klowner> wtf
Nov 24 17:24:12 <Stskeeps> there's an issue at the moment, Klowner
Nov 24 17:24:27 <Klowner> Stskeeps: ah k, just so I'm not losing my mind.. it downloaded now just fine
Nov 24 17:25:27 <Klowner> although that's no proof I haven't already lost my mind
Nov 24 17:25:27 <lardman> re
Nov 24 17:26:01 * realitygaps  is getting 401 Unauthorized [IP: 213.155.157.9 80] on sdk repository
Nov 24 17:28:23 * lardman wills the 770 serving the maemo.org pages to go a little faster
Nov 24 17:28:39 <Klowner> heh
Nov 24 17:29:45 <lardman> anyone got a pointer to some dbus calls to send an email, off hand, while I wait for maemo.org?
Nov 24 17:31:40 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: ping
Nov 24 17:31:54 <qwerty12> Stskeeps: Aye?
Nov 24 17:32:08 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: what happens if only mbxaccess.ko is loaded? not omaplcd
Nov 24 17:32:19 <kalikiana> lardman, does hildon mime not do that?
Nov 24 17:32:34 <kalikiana> or maybe I'm remembering wrongly
Nov 24 17:32:47 <lardman> kalikiana: I've not tried, but again was hoping to keep everything in memory rather than writing to disk
Nov 24 17:32:57 <lardman> though in this case I may not need to I suppose
Nov 24 17:33:10 <qwerty12> Stskeeps: No idea, my N810 is upstairs
Nov 24 17:33:13 <Stskeeps> k
Nov 24 17:33:19 <lardman> Stskeeps: output-wise?
Nov 24 17:33:19 <qwerty12> Think its battery is dead, actually
Nov 24 17:33:27 <kalikiana> lardman, you want to send one including the message body?
Nov 24 17:33:30 <qwerty12> lardman: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Data_Sharing/SendVia_Functionality
Nov 24 17:33:31 <lardman> or what the module actually does?
Nov 24 17:33:36 <kalikiana> if it's just the address it should be fine
Nov 24 17:33:46 <lardman> kalikiana: no, just open one a la mailto:
Nov 24 17:33:58 <qwerty12> (/me finds libsharingdialog more fun...)
Nov 24 17:34:22 <lardman> libmodest_dbus_client_compose_mail()
Nov 24 17:34:24 <lardman> ah ha
Nov 24 17:34:27 <lardman> thanks qwerty12
Nov 24 17:35:05 <lardman> qwerty12: join us
Nov 24 17:35:18 <qwerty12> Never! The Dark Side is not for me!
Nov 24 17:35:24 <kalikiana> will the above work if you have different client?
Nov 24 17:35:32 <kalikiana> hardcoding modest seems ugly
Nov 24 17:35:36 <javispedro> join us, and we can rule the galaxy, like father and son!
Nov 24 17:35:43 <lardman> in 3D
Nov 24 17:39:03 <lardman> hmm, need to charge my N810 too
Nov 24 17:40:15 <_berto_> I like how this thing records videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odUVFjP3HmA&fmt=35
Nov 24 17:40:24 <_berto_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNwhEotvyBs&fmt=35
Nov 24 17:51:45 <johannes1> hi, is it possible to install maemo on an i386 PC?
Nov 24 17:52:41 <Flandry> hi. Why?
Nov 24 17:53:40 <Stskeeps> ~mer
Nov 24 17:53:41 <infobot> mer is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer
Nov 24 17:54:34 <johannes1> I want to use an itx via board and a touchscreen with maemo and mmpc
Nov 24 17:54:50 <johannes1> shall I have a look at mer?
Nov 24 17:55:20 <Flandry> yeah that's what you're looking for
Nov 24 17:55:34 <Flandry> sounds fun :)
Nov 24 17:56:33 <johannes1> thx
Nov 24 17:57:27 <kalikiana> Hm... why does it feel like opening an app from console is faster than from an icon
Nov 24 17:57:49 <kalikiana> Or maybe my perception is wrong
Nov 24 17:58:41 <lcuk> kalikiana, you are right, opening "ls" from the command line is faster than clicking on its .desktop file. parsing it starting up a new console session, passing in parameters and running "ls"
Nov 24 17:58:42 <muep__> I'd guess the amount of code that runs when you launch directly from a running shell is a lot smaller than that of pressing an icon
Nov 24 17:59:08 <kalikiana> lcuk, :P
Nov 24 18:00:34 <lcuk> some apps are started with dbus services when you click them dont they?
Nov 24 18:00:42 <lcuk> and if you run the binary it just runs
Nov 24 18:01:13 <kalikiana> everything is started via dbus, that is fine. it just seemed the different was more than just dbus overhead
Nov 24 18:01:32 <kalikiana> but I'm not sure anymore if I see the difference, it's hard to estimate
Nov 24 18:02:22 <lcuk> will need to check
Nov 24 18:02:33 <lcuk> scientifically
Nov 24 18:02:41 <wiretapped> SCIENCE!
Nov 24 18:03:11 <kalikiana> "I'm sciencing as fast as I can" ;)
Nov 24 18:03:18 <Flandry> start waving your hands then
Nov 24 18:03:31 <derf> That's mathematics.
Nov 24 18:03:34 <derf> It's not the same.
Nov 24 18:03:55 * Flandry has lost faith in the academic science establishment, of which he is a small cog.
Nov 24 18:04:19 <derf> Why did you ever have faith in it?
Nov 24 18:04:29 <Flandry> I'm an idealist i guess
Nov 24 18:07:20 <aSIMULAtor> good evening.
Nov 24 18:07:52 <Flandry> a SIMULAted good evening to you
Nov 24 18:07:52 <Stskeeps> good evening
Nov 24 18:08:56 <lardman> is it possible to dial a telephone number programmatically?
Nov 24 18:09:24 <kalikiana> lardman, yep, via dbus
Nov 24 18:09:31 <lardman> cool
Nov 24 18:09:37 <kalikiana> let me look up the name
Nov 24 18:09:45 <lardman> thanks
Nov 24 18:09:50 <kalikiana> dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.CallUI --type=method_call /com/nokia/CallUI com.nokia.CallUI.CreateCall string:"tel:0123456"
Nov 24 18:09:51 <wazd> You wouldn't beleive it
Nov 24 18:09:52 <lardman> is there a list somewhere?
Nov 24 18:10:02 <lardman> wunderbar, thanks
Nov 24 18:10:13 <wazd> My pal won n900 :)
Nov 24 18:10:26 <lcuk> if(alcohollevel>9000) call_holly_tell_her_im_stuck_in_office();
Nov 24 18:10:58 <lardman> lol
Nov 24 18:11:12 <lardman> nah, I'm walking to avoid becoming my name
Nov 24 18:11:34 <lardman> but I have just read tel: is a valid "URI" in some barcodes, so I'm writing a handler
Nov 24 18:12:13 <VDVsx> wazd, lol
Nov 24 18:12:23 <VDVsx> you're a lucky guy :p
Nov 24 18:12:28 <wazd> I'm still dry
Nov 24 18:12:37 <qwerty12> wazd: Congratulations!
Nov 24 18:13:07 <wazd> qwerty12: no, not me,  my friend)
Nov 24 18:13:11 <lcuk> wazd :D you are n900 event!
Nov 24 18:13:21 <qwerty12> wazd: I know; but I could not resist being a cunt
Nov 24 18:13:23 <Juzna> is there something wrong with the repositories?
Nov 24 18:13:24 <kalikiana> Disappointing, hildon mime indeed doesn't know email
Nov 24 18:13:27 <lcuk> that was quick it seems like only 1/2 hour ago you said you were goin
Nov 24 18:13:33 <Klowner> I can't seem to hunt down any info on doing OpenGL ES stuff in the SDK, I'm wonderin' if I *need* a device to test that kind of stuff
Nov 24 18:13:34 <lcuk> who was on and presenting and what did you seee?
Nov 24 18:13:46 <Juzna> my n900 says all the time that sync failed because unauthorised access from some akamai proxy
Nov 24 18:13:47 * lardman looks for some C code
Nov 24 18:14:13 <Stskeeps> wazd: kill him and steal his n900? :P
Nov 24 18:14:41 <Stskeeps> or just knock him out and claim someone stole his n900
Nov 24 18:14:42 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 24 18:14:42 <VDVsx> wazd, I think your dog/cat has more chances to won one, that you trough any possible loan/discount program :P
Nov 24 18:14:59 <VDVsx> s/that/than
Nov 24 18:15:17 <qwerty12> wazd: Make him drink a shitton of vodka, you do the same, take the N900, and blame it on the vodka if you get caught
Nov 24 18:15:46 <lcuk> the nokians werent meant to give the n900 away in the first place lol, they also blamed it on the vodka :D
Nov 24 18:15:48 <lardman> use a chainsaw
Nov 24 18:15:58 * qwerty12 thinking of http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7353025.stm
Nov 24 18:17:11 <lardman> hmm, in dbus_message_new_method_call() how do I pass arguments?
Nov 24 18:17:17 <lardman> e.g. the tel:0000 stuff
Nov 24 18:17:50 * javispedro thinks of sméagol vs déagol scene. my birthday preseeeeent!! my preciousssssssss n900!!!
Nov 24 18:18:50 * lardman dislikes DBus docs
Nov 24 18:22:25 <VDVsx> lardman, humm ?
Nov 24 18:22:41 <lardman> trying to convert the dbus-send call above into C
Nov 24 18:22:45 <VDVsx> msg = dbus_message_new_method_call( args)
Nov 24 18:22:52 <lardman> yeah, but which is which?
Nov 24 18:23:41 <lardman>         msg = dbus_message_new_method_call("com.nokia.CallUI", // target for the method call
Nov 24 18:23:41 <lardman>          "/com/nokia/CallUI", // object to call on
Nov 24 18:23:41 <lardman>          "com.nokia.CallUI.CreateCall", // interface to call on
Nov 24 18:23:41 <lardman>          "string:\"tel:0123456\""); // method name
Nov 24 18:23:42 <lardman> ?
Nov 24 18:23:47 <VDVsx> normally: destination, obj_path, interface, .. (extra stuff)
Nov 24 18:24:32 * lardman copies from here: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus/libdbus-tutorial.html
Nov 24 18:24:49 <VDVsx> so what's the problem, that looks correct
Nov 24 18:25:28 <VDVsx> dunno about the interface and object name
Nov 24 18:26:57 <lardman> not tried it yet
Nov 24 18:26:57 <VDVsx> lardman, ah, you probably want to append the args to the message
Nov 24 18:27:02 <VDVsx> ?
Nov 24 18:27:07 <lardman> was just a random guess at which bits to put where
Nov 24 18:27:15 <zaheerm> you know if a phone call dbus message can be intercepted by an app
Nov 24 18:27:35 <zaheerm> was pondering on writing an app that would suggest a number from saynoto0870.co.uk
Nov 24 18:27:44 <lardman> :)
Nov 24 18:27:53 <zaheerm> if someone called a 08* number
Nov 24 18:28:23 <zaheerm> but ideally it'd be transparent
Nov 24 18:28:25 <lardman> should probably hook into the phone app though, before they've dialled
Nov 24 18:28:37 <lardman> let them choose to dial that one, etc
Nov 24 18:30:07 <zaheerm> well what i was thinking is if the phone app sends a dbus message to make the call, i could just add a ui on intercepting it to choose from number specified and a list from saynoto0870
Nov 24 18:30:44 <zaheerm> though plugging into the phone app seems like a reasonable other option
Nov 24 18:31:34 <zaheerm> third option, create a telepathy plugin like the skype one that could translate the number transparently so you can choose dial with saynoto0870 instead of cellular or skype
Nov 24 18:31:50 <zaheerm> man too many ideas, too little time....
Nov 24 18:32:22 <hrw> re
Nov 24 18:32:37 <konttori> lardman: how about starting dbus-monitor and make a call
Nov 24 18:32:52 <konttori> the you'll see that dbus call is made (and the params)
Nov 24 18:33:00 <Stskeeps> anyone here who happen to have a OMAP2 non-N8x0 device?
Nov 24 18:33:21 <Stskeeps> which runs linux :P
Nov 24 18:33:33 <hrw> like old omap2-sdp?
Nov 24 18:33:55 <Stskeeps> for instance yeah
Nov 24 18:33:59 <Stskeeps> 2420 or 2430
Nov 24 18:34:15 <suihkulokki> omap2 doesn't seen like hit SoC
Nov 24 18:34:30 * kalikiana wonders if hildon_uri_open works
Nov 24 18:34:36 * kalikiana goes to try it
Nov 24 18:34:47 <hrw> Stskeeps: ask on #beagle - there are some TI people
Nov 24 18:34:51 <Stskeeps> mmk
Nov 24 18:35:04 <suihkulokki> omap3 is much more popular
Nov 24 18:37:52 <kalikiana> lardman, I think you want to try out hildon_uri_open
Nov 24 18:38:15 <kalikiana> It recognized mailto successfully
Nov 24 18:38:33 <kalikiana> And it might just spare you a lot of code/ work
Nov 24 18:40:22 * GeneralAntilles heads out for the 5-hour drive.
Nov 24 18:40:44 <andre__> garr. i sometimes wonder if people file duplicates by purpose
Nov 24 18:41:00 <GeneralAntilles> andre__, of course they do.
Nov 24 18:41:03 <GeneralAntilles> They're out to get you.
Nov 24 18:41:05 <fernando_> now for something a little more meta: anyone has any tips in washing the little pouch that came with the N800?
Nov 24 18:41:06 <fernando_> :P
Nov 24 18:41:19 <GeneralAntilles> Actually, it's probably Nokia hiring people to do it to make us less efficient. ;)
Nov 24 18:41:28 <qwerty12> fernando_: Give it to the cat to lick
Nov 24 18:41:32 <fernando_> lol
Nov 24 18:41:40 <GeneralAntilles> fernando_, let it go through the wash in a pants pocket like I do whenever I forget to take it out about once every 6 months?
Nov 24 18:41:46 <VDVsx> andre__, yes, because they know that you've a lot of spare time :P
Nov 24 18:41:47 <andre__> GeneralAntilles, gnarf. I expected that. Truth is hard to bare :-/
Nov 24 18:41:49 * VDVsx hides
Nov 24 18:42:01 <fernando_> haha, I might do that
Nov 24 18:42:27 <javispedro> lololololol more trolls in tmo
Nov 24 18:42:37 <lardman> konttori: yeah, good suggestion, though ideally I'd just like to line the call up and not make it
Nov 24 18:42:43 <lardman> kalikiana: you reckon that will work?
Nov 24 18:42:49 <VDVsx> javispedro, good ones ?
Nov 24 18:43:01 <lardman> kalikiana: no docs
Nov 24 18:43:01 <javispedro> good selection of thread titles indeed.
Nov 24 18:43:12 <VDVsx> javispedro, link please
Nov 24 18:43:21 <javispedro> see latest topics in tmo :)
Nov 24 18:43:32 <kalikiana> lardman, I'm testing. mailto works
Nov 24 18:44:01 <kalikiana> And given that it would be nicer than having to write 100 lines of code...
Nov 24 18:44:19 <kalikiana> And avoid hardcoding apps
Nov 24 18:44:22 <VDVsx> javispedro, "yes it sucks" ?
Nov 24 18:44:27 <VDVsx> lol
Nov 24 18:44:47 <javispedro> VDVsx: and "has Maemo always been so buggy" and the other one that has dropped off now
Nov 24 18:45:20 <lardman> kalikiana: I quite agree, thanks
Nov 24 18:46:10 <lardman> kalikiana: does "tel:" work by chance....?
Nov 24 18:46:36 <kalikiana> lardman, I tried tel://, but let me try tel:, maybe it's different
Nov 24 18:46:44 <kalikiana> tel:// didn't work
Nov 24 18:47:09 <GeneralAntilles> javispedro, we need to pad out the response rates by posting some of our shillery. :P
Nov 24 18:47:16 <VDVsx> javispedro, wow, very good :p
Nov 24 18:48:27 <lardman> :(
Nov 24 18:48:34 <VDVsx> wow, he wants a bug-free software : "Seems there are some legitimate software issues which have been identified now that the device can be found in the wild."
Nov 24 18:48:53 <lardman> kalikiana: what's the backend? What decides on the handled MIME/uri types?
Nov 24 18:49:07 <javispedro> software issues! omg!
Nov 24 18:49:39 <kalikiana> Stupid me, my code is too smart. Tells me tel:123 is an invalid port number O_o
Nov 24 18:49:55 <lardman> :)
Nov 24 18:50:02 <Flandry> what we need is a t.m.o. bot that spits out the same canned responses to these same complaints.
Nov 24 18:50:21 <lardman> kalikiana: it's your code is it? libhildon-mime, or are you talking about the test code?
Nov 24 18:50:25 <Flandry> ~kill spammers
Nov 24 18:50:27 * infobot shoots a charged pseudophoton gun at spammers
Nov 24 18:50:39 <javispedro> "Thanks for your information. It has been forwarded to the appropiate person (Mr. Dev Null). Have a nice day."
Nov 24 18:50:42 <kalikiana> lardman, my test code. :-]
Nov 24 18:50:45 <Flandry> lol
Nov 24 18:50:51 <lardman> kalikiana: ok :)
Nov 24 18:51:14 <javispedro> "P.S. In case you ever have a proper bug report, please redirect your complains to bugs.maemo.org ."
Nov 24 18:51:46 <kalikiana> lardman, Confirmed, tel:123 shows me a dialpad with 123
Nov 24 18:51:55 <javispedro> (where they will be also forwarded to /dev/null but clients shouldn't know that)
Nov 24 18:52:09 <andre__> javispedro, or ask them to come here and have a beer with me :-P
Nov 24 18:52:09 <pH5> kalikiana: yay, that's what I wanted to know, too
Nov 24 18:52:16 <lardman> kalikiana: great :)
Nov 24 18:52:37 <kalikiana> lardman, I'm happy you led me to accidentally notice that unknown header file and try it out :D
Nov 24 18:53:00 <javispedro> andre__: do you have a long standing tradition of killing bug reporters? just in case. it would be nice to annotate it somewhere to let customers know that ;)
Nov 24 18:53:13 <lardman> lol :D
Nov 24 18:55:36 <lardman> kalikiana: was that using hildon_uri_get_default_action() or hildon_uri_get_default_action_by_uri()?
Nov 24 18:56:08 <andre__> javispedro: you are invited to take a look at my graveyards in GNOME Bugzilla
Nov 24 18:56:51 <kalikiana> lardman, hildon_uri_open
Nov 24 18:57:05 <kalikiana> and tel:// also works
Nov 24 18:57:09 <javispedro> :)
Nov 24 18:57:15 <kalikiana> (no idea if there is any difference)
Nov 24 18:57:16 <lardman> do you not need the get_action stuff beforehand?
Nov 24 18:57:32 * lardman works from here http://efforts.embedded.ufcg.edu.br/maemo/
Nov 24 18:57:38 <kalikiana> Nope, simply return hildon_uri_open (uri, HILDON_URI_ACTION_NORMAL, error);
Nov 24 18:57:53 <lardman> ah ok
Nov 24 18:58:04 <lardman> andre__: bug coming your way re hildonmime
Nov 24 18:58:27 <kalikiana> hm... I wonder what difference that action would make
Nov 24 18:58:27 <javispedro> "I don't have the n900 yet, but I expect the n900 to do the same things I do on my n800 but better and faster." ah, hope you don't use handwriting much...
Nov 24 18:58:42 <kalikiana> The comment in the header just says something vague
Nov 24 18:58:54 <lcuk> i do and it does
Nov 24 18:59:01 <andre__> lardman: but I already have two open libhildonmime tickets! there's more bugs?!
Nov 24 18:59:05 <lardman> yeah, needs some docs me thinks
Nov 24 18:59:12 <lardman> andre__: are they related to no docs?
Nov 24 18:59:46 <andre__> lardman, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3890 ?
Nov 24 18:59:48 <povbot> Bug 3890: Missing libhildonmime API documentation
Nov 24 18:59:52 <lardman> ah ok
Nov 24 19:00:01 * lardman goes to vote for that one if he's not done so already
Nov 24 19:00:36 <andre__> lardman, pinged internally last week. still no news :-/
Nov 24 19:00:44 <lardman> hmm, I've already voted too
Nov 24 19:00:47 <lardman> andre__: thanks
Nov 24 19:00:52 <lardman> kalikiana: thanks too :)
Nov 24 19:01:02 <hrw> time for me
Nov 24 19:01:03 <hrw> bye
Nov 24 19:01:11 <kalikiana> You're welcome, we're in the same boat :)
Nov 24 19:01:47 <convulted> hey all: anyone having out of storage error messages in fremantle?
Nov 24 19:01:47 * andre__ realizes that gtk-devel irc meeting and girlfriend appointment collide. hmm, tough, tough! :-P
Nov 24 19:01:55 <kalikiana> Hm... I could use a "silent" option for alarms
Nov 24 19:02:02 <kalikiana> My girlfriend is asleep
Nov 24 19:02:08 <lcuk> andre__, n900+xchat solves problem
Nov 24 19:02:32 <lcuk> hey convulted \o
Nov 24 19:02:33 <derf> lcuk sure knows how to entertain a girl.
Nov 24 19:02:46 * kalikiana pictures andre__ starting at the n900 while in a deep hug.
Nov 24 19:02:47 <Flandry> convulted: are you installing packages from extras-devel?
Nov 24 19:02:56 <TomaszD> aargh, so irritating, I have QStarDict working on the N900, but it doesn't detect dictionaries ;(
Nov 24 19:02:56 <andre__> lcuk: thanks. if it does not work you'll pay for my divorce lawyer
Nov 24 19:03:04 <convulted> lcuk: hoy
Nov 24 19:03:05 <VDVsx> javispedro, I'm always learning in this troll threads :) : " Jobsian trolls are mythical creatures, that supposedly feed on the tears of people waiting for their n900s." "
Nov 24 19:03:12 <lcuk> easier to just buy her an n900 as well
Nov 24 19:03:20 * lardman wonders about converting everything to use hildonmime
Nov 24 19:03:20 <Flandry> lol what?
Nov 24 19:03:20 <lcuk> we can develop a vibration sharing app
Nov 24 19:03:21 <VDVsx> s/this/these/
Nov 24 19:03:22 <infobot> VDVsx meant: javispedro, I'm always learning in these troll threads :) : " Jobsian trolls are mythical creatures, that supposedly feed on the tears of people waiting for their n900s." "
Nov 24 19:03:25 <andre__> she has one already
Nov 24 19:03:25 <lcuk> shake one device and have the other shake in harmony
Nov 24 19:03:26 <convulted> Flandy: just one, my own and it's optified
Nov 24 19:03:29 * lardman then thinks perhaps one thing at a time
Nov 24 19:03:41 <javispedro> VDVsx: yet more dangers for those adventurers.... grues and now this.
Nov 24 19:03:54 <Flandry> ok, just going for the low-hanging fruit :P
Nov 24 19:03:56 <lcuk> convulted, you dropped your big db somewhere you shouldnt?
Nov 24 19:04:06 <lardman> https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/libhildonmime/docs/hildon-mime-open.txt
Nov 24 19:04:16 <lardman> https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/libhildonmime/docs/hildon-uri-open-rev-2.txt
Nov 24 19:04:19 <Flandry> grues? Is there Zork for Maemo?
Nov 24 19:04:19 * javispedro can't stand neither tmo fanboys nor tmo trolls
Nov 24 19:04:23 <lardman> something like docs
Nov 24 19:04:36 <lcuk> has the outside world learnt of the n900 yet
Nov 24 19:04:52 <javispedro> what's this outside world you speak of?
Nov 24 19:05:04 <convulted> lcuk: db is tiny :P
Nov 24 19:05:06 <lcuk> i dunno, someone posted on tmo the other day
Nov 24 19:05:08 <kalikiana> lardman, good find!
Nov 24 19:05:23 <javispedro> wow, aliens on tmo!
Nov 24 19:05:24 <lcuk> convulted, it contains every single station along the london underground doesnt it
Nov 24 19:05:28 <lcuk> thats gotta be at least 20kb
Nov 24 19:05:33 * lardman heads for some food
Nov 24 19:05:35 <lardman> bbiab
Nov 24 19:05:38 <convulted> hahaha
Nov 24 19:05:47 <convulted> i have gigs free
Nov 24 19:05:57 <lcuk> do df from the console
Nov 24 19:05:59 <convulted> and can't download anything
Nov 24 19:06:05 <lcuk> and see how much you have properly
Nov 24 19:06:14 * javispedro wonders what's so special about the screen "scrolling smoothly"
Nov 24 19:06:14 <convulted> df gives loads of free space
Nov 24 19:06:20 <lcuk> on all partitions?
Nov 24 19:06:33 * lcuk is surprised
Nov 24 19:06:38 <convulted> do you want a paste?
Nov 24 19:06:58 <greenfly> is there a way to trigger libevent from dbus, or the command line in general? the regular tools for that don't seem to be ported yet
Nov 24 19:07:00 <javispedro> convulted, why not, just in case. cause if it's something else: O.o
Nov 24 19:07:07 <lcuk> might be an idea
Nov 24 19:07:31 <lcuk> also, check which version of flash you are on: settings/about product
Nov 24 19:07:38 <convulted> rootfs                  233224    173784     55160  76% /nubi0:rootfs             233224    173784     55160  76% /ntmpfs                     1024       112       912  11% /tmpntmpfs                      256        80       176  31% /var/runnnone                     10240        72     10168   1% /devntmpfs                    65536         4     65532   0% /dev/shmn/dev/mmcblk0p2         2064208     46980   1912372   2% /h
Nov 24 19:07:42 <convulted> whoops
Nov 24 19:07:51 * lcuk coughs up a pastebin.ca url
Nov 24 19:07:57 <convulted> lol
Nov 24 19:08:00 <convulted> yeah. sec
Nov 24 19:09:13 <convulted> http://pastebin.ca/1685812
Nov 24 19:09:16 <lcuk> convulted, whilst you are i nthe console give it an apt-get update too
Nov 24 19:09:33 <lcuk> extras devel and testing have been a bit flaky
Nov 24 19:09:45 <javispedro> in a few hours every tmo user will be in a single thread.
Nov 24 19:09:51 <convulted> yeah i noticed... it was working a few mins ago
Nov 24 19:10:07 <lcuk> javispedro, unity?
Nov 24 19:10:18 <lcuk> which one
Nov 24 19:10:40 <lcuk> convulted, i wonder if apt is stuck trying to install something and app man isnt telling you
Nov 24 19:10:47 <convulted> lcuk: devel seems to have stopped working...
Nov 24 19:11:10 <lcuk> might explain why you cant install anything
Nov 24 19:11:14 <javispedro> unity through fanboyism. fanboyism through trollism. trollismm through faith.
Nov 24 19:11:23 <convulted> ah, but i get the error when i download things in the browser :)
Nov 24 19:11:30 <lcuk> thread link if you want us in there
Nov 24 19:11:34 <convulted> or try and add a ringtone
Nov 24 19:11:35 <lcuk> stress test
Nov 24 19:11:50 <javispedro> lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35009
Nov 24 19:15:10 <convulted> lcuk or anyone: any thoughts?
Nov 24 19:15:29 <lcuk> convulted, are you by chance plugged into usb
Nov 24 19:15:36 <lcuk> and you werent before
Nov 24 19:15:58 <lcuk> ie has your MyDocs been taken for evil desktop computer
Nov 24 19:16:18 <convulted> lol no pcs in sight
Nov 24 19:16:26 <convulted> i'm charging...
Nov 24 19:17:39 <lcuk> convulted, i ask because sometimes i go to get at photos and to save files and things and realist my usb has taken my partition away to show it to windows
Nov 24 19:17:43 <lcuk> just a thought
Nov 24 19:17:54 <convulted> yeah happens very often over here too
Nov 24 19:17:55 <convulted> yeah happens very often over here too
Nov 24 19:18:03 <convulted> i'm baffled by this...
Nov 24 19:18:26 <convulted> went to save a pdf this morning and saw that error
Nov 24 19:18:50 <convulted> then i tried changing ringtone to an mp3 that is already in MyDocs and got the same error
Nov 24 19:19:00 <convulted> hmmm... confused...
Nov 24 19:20:40 <lcuk> convulted, im not a console wondergod, but go and check if everything is writeable
Nov 24 19:21:01 <convulted> sec...
Nov 24 19:23:17 <convulted> no problems there
Nov 24 19:23:30 <convulted> i can write files there
Nov 24 19:23:41 <serenity> hi
Nov 24 19:23:45 <lcuk> convulted, are you root
Nov 24 19:23:53 <convulted> nope
Nov 24 19:23:55 <serenity> how can i update my sdk in scratchbox?
Nov 24 19:24:04 <convulted> ruined too many boxes :D
Nov 24 19:24:11 <lcuk> how bizarre
Nov 24 19:24:42 <convulted> it is isn't it?
Nov 24 19:25:03 <convulted> wonder if i should reboot
Nov 24 19:25:40 <serenity> or must i installed it from scratch to get the newest version?
Nov 24 19:25:43 <serenity> -ed
Nov 24 19:25:57 <convulted> be back in a few mins
Nov 24 19:29:11 <convulted> back
Nov 24 19:29:25 <convulted> still can't add a ringtone that's on the device
Nov 24 19:29:32 <convulted> bizarre
Nov 24 19:30:41 <convulted> i'm guessing no one else had this problem
Nov 24 19:30:49 <convulted> and i dunno how to debug it
Nov 24 19:31:14 <javispedro> I STILL can't understand why "smooth scrolling" is such an important feature.
Nov 24 19:31:36 <greenfly> javispedro: it gives the impression that the device has ample resources
Nov 24 19:31:48 <greenfly> if scrolling stutters, it gives the impression that the CPU can't keep up
Nov 24 19:31:56 <greenfly> (or possibly GPU)
Nov 24 19:32:30 <javispedro> your computer is most probably "stuttering" all day.
Nov 24 19:32:35 <convulted_> greenfly: is that referring to my prob?
Nov 24 19:32:48 <serenity> on a pre scrolling is nasty
Nov 24 19:33:03 <greenfly> convulted_: I was replying to javispedro's question of why some people might want smooth scrolling
Nov 24 19:33:21 <convulted_> ah whoos sorry... closed window by mistake
Nov 24 19:33:26 <convulted_> so i got confused
Nov 24 19:33:30 <greenfly> javispedro: it's not a killer feature for me, just playing devil's advocate
Nov 24 19:33:58 <greenfly> javispedro: if any other comparable device does have feature X, and the n900 doesn't, there will likely be a comparison made
Nov 24 19:34:13 <javispedro> couldn't they say "battery life sucks" or something more reasonable,but no, they have to say "scrolling stutters".
Nov 24 19:34:29 <greenfly> scrolling seems to be pretty smooth for me for most things
Nov 24 19:34:37 * javispedro wonders what kind of world is this one..
Nov 24 19:34:40 <Flandry> not in a post-apociphone world
Nov 24 19:34:58 <serenity> how can i update my sdk in scratchbox?
Nov 24 19:35:06 <greenfly> I'm doing a battery life test today where I kept the IM offline
Nov 24 19:35:08 <javispedro> serenity: apt-get update
Nov 24 19:35:11 <javispedro> && upgrade
Nov 24 19:35:17 <greenfly> so far it has made a dramatic change
Nov 24 19:35:18 <serenity> ah, ok
Nov 24 19:35:46 <javispedro> IM online/offline shouldn't do a dramatic change.
Nov 24 19:35:50 <javispedro> Wi-Fi might.
Nov 24 19:36:05 <serenity> serenity@mangolassi:~$ apt-get update
Nov 24 19:36:05 <greenfly> javispedro: agreed, but anecdotally, it seems to
Nov 24 19:36:06 <serenity> E: The method driver /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found.
Nov 24 19:36:28 <javispedro> serenity: then, aim for reinstall instead of upgrade.
Nov 24 19:36:42 <greenfly> javispedro: I suppose my next test will be to enable it but only one IM network at a time
Nov 24 19:36:45 <serenity> gna
Nov 24 19:36:47 <convulted_> i give up. if anyone knows why i'm getting senseless device storage full messages, let me know :)
Nov 24 19:36:48 <greenfly> it's possible one polls more than the others
Nov 24 19:36:50 <crashanddie_> whatup?
Nov 24 19:36:55 <greenfly> convulted_: what does df -i say?
Nov 24 19:37:11 <greenfly> if you stored a large amount of files on the file system you could have run out of inodes even though you didn't run out of space
Nov 24 19:37:48 <convulted_> df -i says invalid option :)
Nov 24 19:38:00 <greenfly> doh
Nov 24 19:38:06 <crashanddie_> I highly doubt inodes is an issue
Nov 24 19:38:26 <greenfly> yeah, you'd have to have millions of files on there
Nov 24 19:38:43 <crashanddie_> convulted_, do you use apt-get a lot?
Nov 24 19:38:58 <Flandry> what *does* df output on N900?
Nov 24 19:39:00 <convulted_> apt-get update a couple of times
Nov 24 19:39:12 <crashanddie_> convulted_, apt-get doesn't remove the .deb it downloads
Nov 24 19:39:17 <paroneayea> arg
Nov 24 19:39:22 <paroneayea> tilt sensor on my phone broke
Nov 24 19:39:30 <Flandry> oO
Nov 24 19:39:38 <crashanddie_> paroneayea, have you tried turning it off and on again?
Nov 24 19:39:43 <convulted_> crashanddie_: true, but i have lolads of free space
Nov 24 19:39:59 <paroneayea> crashanddie_: I did, I will try again however.
Nov 24 19:40:00 <convulted_> downloading manually is ok
Nov 24 19:40:05 <crashanddie_> convulted_, how about we start over and you give us a real error message?
Nov 24 19:40:13 <crashanddie_> convulted_, my balls ain't made out of crystal
Nov 24 19:40:14 <convulted_> ok
Nov 24 19:40:23 <crashanddie_> well, mine or anyone's, I would hope
Nov 24 19:40:38 <Flandry> speak for yourself
Nov 24 19:40:42 <convulted_> mine are :P
Nov 24 19:40:47 * Flandry is a silicon-based life form
Nov 24 19:40:48 <crashanddie_> Flandry, you're hoping to have crystal balls?
Nov 24 19:41:15 <convulted_> i have an mp3 on the device
Nov 24 19:41:20 <Flandry> You may call me Cristobal
Nov 24 19:41:24 <convulted_> and tried to add it as a ringtone
Nov 24 19:41:39 <paroneayea> is there something I can try reading in /dev/ to see if any information is coming out?
Nov 24 19:42:00 <convulted_> and i got a "device storage full error"
Nov 24 19:42:10 <Flandry> /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord
Nov 24 19:42:32 <Flandry> see: http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers
Nov 24 19:42:40 <convulted_> and i still have gigs free here
Nov 24 19:42:43 <crashanddie_> paroneayea, everytime you open it, it will give you one readout
Nov 24 19:43:01 <crashanddie_> convulted_, there are two separate partitions
Nov 24 19:43:15 <crashanddie_> convulted_, could you pastebin the output of df -h?
Nov 24 19:43:20 <crashanddie_> ~pastebin
Nov 24 19:43:22 <infobot> [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste
Nov 24 19:43:22 <convulted_> right
Nov 24 19:43:22 <convulted_> sec
Nov 24 19:43:29 <paroneayea> crashanddie_: thanks, I will try reading that
Nov 24 19:44:05 <crashanddie_> ok, I'm on fire, who else has a problem?
Nov 24 19:44:37 <convulted_> http://pastebin.ca/1685856
Nov 24 19:45:01 <toggles_w> crashanddie_: the tilt sensor in my n810 has stopped working
Nov 24 19:45:13 <crashanddie_> toggles_w, that's because there isn't one ;)
Nov 24 19:45:22 <crashanddie_> convulted_, good, at least you didn't run out of space
Nov 24 19:45:22 <toggles_w> damn, you are good
Nov 24 19:45:25 <Jaffa> Ev'ning.
Nov 24 19:45:34 <qwerty12_N900> toggles_w: What does /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord say?
Nov 24 19:45:36 <qwerty12_N900> ;P
Nov 24 19:45:37 <Jaffa> crashanddie_: did you see my description of the MWN UI tooling, btw?
Nov 24 19:45:47 <crashanddie_> Jaffa, I'm afraid I didn't, link?
Nov 24 19:46:42 <crashanddie_> convulted_, where do you add it as ringtone (/me shamefully realises he never actually used the device as a phone)
Nov 24 19:47:02 <convulted_> in the phone settings
Nov 24 19:47:18 <convulted_> umm... settings then phone
Nov 24 19:47:42 <Jaffa> convulted_: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2009-November/003363.html
Nov 24 19:47:48 <crashanddie_> shite, you need cellular to be able to access that
Nov 24 19:47:52 <Jaffa> s/convulted_/crashanddie_/
Nov 24 19:47:53 <infobot> Jaffa meant: crashanddie_: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2009-November/003363.html
Nov 24 19:48:21 <Juzna> hmm
Nov 24 19:48:41 <Juzna> is there nokia base repo available somewhere?
Nov 24 19:48:43 <paroneayea> crashanddie_: Flandry: well, I restarted, tried running cat on that file, and it gave output
Nov 24 19:48:52 <paroneayea> I tried bounce again, it works, but seems off
Nov 24 19:48:52 <crashanddie_> Jaffa, cool
Nov 24 19:48:57 <Flandry> oh good
Nov 24 19:48:57 <crashanddie_> Juzna, base repo?
Nov 24 19:48:58 <Juzna> if i break some root packages
Nov 24 19:49:00 <paroneayea> like, the calibration of it seems off
Nov 24 19:49:06 <convulted_> Jaffa: that confused me :)
Nov 24 19:49:10 <Flandry> weird
Nov 24 19:49:20 <paroneayea> if I hold it level the ball flies forward very quickly
Nov 24 19:49:24 <crashanddie_> paroneayea, try the "attitude" application
Nov 24 19:49:25 <paroneayea> wasn't doing that before
Nov 24 19:49:27 <Juzna> ex. where i could get posix-locales ;)
Nov 24 19:49:33 <paroneayea> crashanddie_: ok, trying
Nov 24 19:49:46 <crashanddie_> Jaffa, see, I'm even advertising your apps ;)
Nov 24 19:50:15 <paroneayea> :)
Nov 24 19:50:24 * Flandry watches plasma go down in flames again after Quassel notifications
Nov 24 19:50:51 <fernando_> how much do the cool kids set their swap file on a N800?
Nov 24 19:51:13 <Flandry> ~seen coolkids
Nov 24 19:51:17 <infobot> i haven't seen 'coolkids', Flandry
Nov 24 19:51:22 <Flandry> ;)
Nov 24 19:51:23 <crashanddie_> Juzna, don't think there is one publicly available
Nov 24 19:51:24 <fernando_> haha
Nov 24 19:51:37 * convulted_ gives up again. thanks for your help guys, but this error message seems to originate for no reason
Nov 24 19:51:53 <crashanddie_> Juzna, however, as long as you have downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle in your repo list (aka, the official nokia repos), you should be fine
Nov 24 19:52:05 <crashanddie_> convulted_, hang on
Nov 24 19:52:12 <paroneayea> crashanddie_: got it running.  When holding it level, what should I see?
Nov 24 19:52:25 <convulted_> crashanddie_: :D
Nov 24 19:52:29 <paroneayea> hm
Nov 24 19:52:43 <crashanddie_> paroneayea, when holding it like you would a camera, you should see a horizon line
Nov 24 19:52:58 <crashanddie_> convulted_, give me a few minutes to chuck a sim card in there
Nov 24 19:53:08 * crashanddie_ is trying to eat at the same time as well, not necessarily the easiest scenario
Nov 24 19:53:10 <Jaffa> paroneayea: And ~0 deg
Nov 24 19:53:11 <convulted_> cheers
Nov 24 19:54:06 <paroneayea> crashanddie_: that seems to happen until it eventually crashes and becomes unresponsive :)
Nov 24 19:54:09 <Juzna> kjeh :D
Nov 24 19:54:12 <Juzna> i made to mess locales
Nov 24 19:54:16 <paroneayea> or, stops moving
Nov 24 19:54:32 <paroneayea> not sure if it is a crash or if input is being cut off
Nov 24 19:54:39 <Jaffa> paroneayea: It shouldn't move if the device isn't moving
Nov 24 19:54:41 <crashanddie_> paroneayea, the app isn't necessarily tuned for speed
Nov 24 19:54:53 <Jaffa> paroneayea: It's like a spirit level (and yes, I need to make it more responsive)
Nov 24 19:56:43 <crashanddie_> it's a shame the n900 doesn't have a digital compass though
Nov 24 19:57:17 <Flandry> it is
Nov 24 19:57:22 <paroneayea> Jaffa: well I mean, eventually I am no longer able to move it at all, even when moving the camera
Nov 24 19:57:28 <paroneayea> however
Nov 24 19:57:31 <qwerty12_N900> convulted_: You trying to set a ringtone? If so, http://pastebin.com/d7ac7172b in /home/user/.profiled/custom.ini would be the manual way of doing it
Nov 24 19:57:51 <paroneayea> I seem to be able to complete a level in bounce, and that is a good sign that things are better than they were before (not working at all) :)
Nov 24 19:58:20 <convulted_> querty12_N900: the point is that i keep getting out of storage error messages (i am happy with my ringtone :)
Nov 24 20:00:05 <paroneayea> thank you for your help Jaffa  and crashanddie_, you two are awesome ;)
Nov 24 20:00:38 <crashanddie_> Jaffa is awesome, I'm not
Nov 24 20:00:56 <crashanddie_> Well, actually, I am awesome... with the ladies
Nov 24 20:01:00 <crashanddie_> ii
Nov 24 20:01:02 <crashanddie_> ;D
Nov 24 20:01:52 <crashanddie_> paroneayea, are you getting the error somewhere else?
Nov 24 20:02:54 <crashanddie_> paroneayea, I go into settings > phone, and can't change the ringtone though...
Nov 24 20:03:05 <crashanddie_> paroneayea, as in, there's no option for that... you sure it's there?
Nov 24 20:03:37 <convulted_> crashanddie_: lemme check
Nov 24 20:03:54 <paroneayea> crashanddie_: are you meaning to talk to convulted_ ?
Nov 24 20:04:03 <crashanddie_> paroneayea, I am indeed
Nov 24 20:04:04 <Juzna> eh
Nov 24 20:04:06 <convulted_> sorry settings and then profile
Nov 24 20:04:10 <convulted_> my bad :)
Nov 24 20:04:10 <Juzna> any ideas how i could fix my locales
Nov 24 20:04:27 <Juzna> tried to compile wrong locales and now device is quite fucked :D
Nov 24 20:04:37 <jeremiah> Juzna: Did you go through the regular language and region settings?
Nov 24 20:04:52 <Juzna> locale-gen ;)
Nov 24 20:05:00 <jeremiah> Juzna: Feel like setting the device back to factory defaults?
Nov 24 20:05:16 <Juzna> should it fix whole operating system?
Nov 24 20:05:22 <jeremiah> Well, that is an option, but I suppose there are other ways.
Nov 24 20:05:28 <crashanddie_> Jaffa, I like the idea... I could see, for example, a window on the left, taking most of the screen, which would display all the posts for a specific source (chosen at the top of the screen)
Nov 24 20:05:50 <Juzna> yup
Nov 24 20:05:53 <jeremiah> Juzna: It would restore the entire device back to its original state
Nov 24 20:05:56 <Juzna> i would love that deb
Nov 24 20:06:05 <lcuk> ddeerrrtrrrtr
Nov 24 20:06:18 <jeremiah> I think that is available through the GUI interface in preferences
Nov 24 20:06:18 <lcuk> hyrfrhfhhthrehfurofifufhjufyrhyeytrtetc trw6w6ds6 6s65s6w6s6t
Nov 24 20:06:27 <jeremiah> umm, lcuk
Nov 24 20:06:30 <penguinbait> what he said
Nov 24 20:06:31 <convulted_> lcuk: i agree
Nov 24 20:06:33 <qwerty12_N900> The aliens are invading
Nov 24 20:06:34 <jeremiah> Is your cat talking?
Nov 24 20:06:47 <crashanddie_> qwerty12_N900, nope, that's just the northerner accent without the nice filter
Nov 24 20:06:55 <fernando_> http://blog.oneplusinfinity.com/?p=4476 haha
Nov 24 20:06:55 <convulted_> lo
Nov 24 20:07:06 <qwerty12_N900> crashanddie_: Ah, makes sense
Nov 24 20:07:21 <crashanddie_> Jaffa, each post would have it's own specific little box, with in short the author, summary of the text. Hovering over a post would display it in a bigger screen.
Nov 24 20:07:31 <penguinbait> north or south, your all a bunch of silly wankers ;P
Nov 24 20:07:57 <crashanddie_> Jaffa, on the right, a bar which would contain "selected" posts. A post is selected by dragging or double clicking on it
Nov 24 20:07:59 <qwerty12_N900> *you're
Nov 24 20:08:08 <penguinbait> no you are
Nov 24 20:08:15 <penguinbait> ;)
Nov 24 20:08:32 <crashanddie_> s/penguin/flame/
Nov 24 20:08:51 <Chiku> hello
Nov 24 20:08:59 <penguinbait> mmmmmmmm, roasted penguin
Nov 24 20:09:05 <ds3> '
Nov 24 20:09:06 <penguinbait> needs garlic
Nov 24 20:09:09 <jeremiah> well hello thar
Nov 24 20:09:10 <Chiku> what will be the after N900 ?
Nov 24 20:09:18 <crashanddie_> Chiku, n901
Nov 24 20:09:22 <penguinbait> rx-71?
Nov 24 20:09:32 <crashanddie_> Chiku, actually, probably n920, we have a picture of it somewhere
Nov 24 20:09:39 <penguinbait> 920 was hoax
Nov 24 20:09:42 <crashanddie_> Jaffa, another page would then show all the selected posts, allow you to organize them, and add the leading/leaving text
Nov 24 20:09:49 <crashanddie_> penguinbait, no, we saw it in London
Nov 24 20:09:55 <crashanddie_> I took a picture of it
Nov 24 20:09:56 <pillar> hmm, how can I change xterm to understand utf-8
Nov 24 20:09:57 <Juzna> didnt help
Nov 24 20:10:00 <crashanddie_> hang on, let me dig it up
Nov 24 20:10:05 <Chiku> crashanddie_, what about spec? just few changes?
Nov 24 20:10:27 <Juzna> any way of recompiling those locales?
Nov 24 20:10:48 <crashanddie_> Chiku & penguinbait: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4114828376/
Nov 24 20:11:00 <Chiku> thx
Nov 24 20:11:09 <penguinbait> nice
Nov 24 20:11:17 <qwerty12_N900> crashanddie_: That's effin' awesome
Nov 24 20:11:19 <Chiku> I want this one
Nov 24 20:11:26 * qwerty12_N900 throws his N900 out the window
Nov 24 20:11:33 <crashanddie_> I think Nokia pushed the "retro" idea a bit too far though
Nov 24 20:11:40 <Chiku> oh wait My grand perents got the same one, I will ask to give one
Nov 24 20:11:43 <penguinbait> <----- runs under qwerty12's window
Nov 24 20:11:51 <penguinbait> bah, missed
Nov 24 20:12:01 <qwerty12_N900> penguinbait: Sorry, we don't want wankers from MI
Nov 24 20:12:16 <crashanddie_> michigan?
Nov 24 20:12:24 <penguinbait> No No, we are stupid americans
Nov 24 20:12:34 <penguinbait> you are the wanker
Nov 24 20:12:41 <penguinbait> or tosser if you prefer
Nov 24 20:12:48 * convulted_ is offl to eat. might flash new firmware to get rid of the message... kinda annoying tho. thanks for the ideas
Nov 24 20:12:52 <penguinbait> <------ in Michigan
Nov 24 20:13:28 <crashanddie_> penguinbait, you live in the same state as lovely MIT? How the fuck could a place that spawned a university that brilliant produce an individual so stupid?
Nov 24 20:13:36 <crashanddie_> Oh well, law of averages, I guess
Nov 24 20:13:54 <crashanddie_> in other words: stop flaming
Nov 24 20:14:16 <Flandry> rofl
Nov 24 20:14:24 <Flandry> "Michigan Instititue of Technology" is it?
Nov 24 20:14:26 <penguinbait> MIT is not in Michigan stupid?
Nov 24 20:14:31 <paroneayea> http://dustycloud.org/tmp/n900-nethack.png
Nov 24 20:14:33 <fernando_> lol
Nov 24 20:14:36 <paroneayea> that's over ssh though
Nov 24 20:14:44 <crashanddie_> oh, my bad
Nov 24 20:14:47 <Flandry> dunno wtf i'm living in Cambridge then...
Nov 24 20:14:55 <penguinbait> Massachusetts Institute of Technology ;p
Nov 24 20:14:58 <crashanddie_> Flandry, they have oxford there, right?
Nov 24 20:15:10 <Flandry> other Cambridge :P
Nov 24 20:15:22 <crashanddie_> Flandry, duke then?
Nov 24 20:15:35 <penguinbait> Sorry, was only joking, use to listening to qwerty12's cheeky a55
Nov 24 20:15:48 <crashanddie_> penguinbait, yeah well, can't blame you for that, everyone wants to hit him
Nov 24 20:16:11 <crashanddie_> penguinbait, should've seen the kid when I arrived, I put my hand forward to shake his, he jumped away
Nov 24 20:16:38 <Flandry> BU BC Harvard MIT Wellesley Brandeis etc but no, no Duke
Nov 24 20:17:05 <jeremiah> Harvard and MIT are on the same street! :P
Nov 24 20:17:39 <Flandry> yeah. Well, cowpath.
Nov 24 20:18:08 <crashanddie_> sod it, universities are useless anyway, as lardman|afk knows
Nov 24 20:18:53 <Flandry> yeah, that's pretty much my conclusion
Nov 24 20:19:13 <qwerty12_N900> Ooh, do they have nerd fights? "I know Pi to a million places. Can you beat that?"
Nov 24 20:19:37 <crashanddie_> my boss is a prick
Nov 24 20:19:46 <crashanddie_> I'm pretty sure he thinks he knows the last 3 numbers of pi
Nov 24 20:19:57 <Flandry> lol
Nov 24 20:19:57 <crashanddie_> s/numbers/digits/
Nov 24 20:19:58 <infobot> crashanddie_ meant: I'm pretty sure he thinks he knows the last 3 digits of pi
Nov 24 20:20:09 <fernando_> where does tear saves bookmarks?
Nov 24 20:20:27 <crashanddie_> [drumroll] in the bookmark menu
Nov 24 20:20:28 <qwerty12_N900> fernando_: /home/user/.tear/tear.db
Nov 24 20:20:33 <fernando_> thanks
Nov 24 20:20:40 <fernando_> and :P @ crashanddie_
Nov 24 20:25:22 <wazd_> they gave me a t-shirt
Nov 24 20:25:30 <wazd_> tee. shirt.
Nov 24 20:25:44 * Xisdibik tries to ignore qwerty12's full name when it appears on the channel
Nov 24 20:25:55 <qwerty12_N900> "I wanted the N900, and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt"
Nov 24 20:26:14 <wazd_> qwerty12_N900: nono
Nov 24 20:26:22 <wazd_> qwerty12_N900: 14 apps = 1 t-shirt
Nov 24 20:26:39 <qwerty12_N900> Ah. Shit
Nov 24 20:27:11 <wazd_> now I'm gonna to drink as much alcohol as I need to forget all of this
Nov 24 20:27:38 <fernando_> sqlite? I can handle this
Nov 24 20:27:43 <fernando_> also hahaha
Nov 24 20:27:52 <fernando_> oh nokia
Nov 24 20:28:01 <fernando_> is it at least the laser penguin shirt? that one is prett awesome :P
Nov 24 20:28:31 <wazd_> fernando_: no
Nov 24 20:28:39 <crashanddie_> qwerty12_N900, tell that to anidel
Nov 24 20:29:00 <crashanddie_> qwerty12_N900, his girlfriend got drawn on the N900 giveaway in London
Nov 24 20:29:09 <crashanddie_> qwerty12_N900, but she wasn't there, so they had to redraw
Nov 24 20:29:14 <qwerty12_N900> crashanddie_: Meh, he's got a loaner
Nov 24 20:29:17 <qwerty12_N900> OW
Nov 24 20:29:49 <crashanddie_> there's a picture of that very moment, where he looks at me like he's going to die
Nov 24 20:29:55 <wazd_> my friend won an n900 today :D
Nov 24 20:29:55 <fernando_> ooh, I like how tear stores stuff, neat
Nov 24 20:30:12 <Milhouse> For some reason I remembered this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA9iPadxE0U as I was thinking about the DDP... :)
Nov 24 20:30:19 <qwerty12_N900> wazd_: Killed him yet?
Nov 24 20:30:22 <fernando_> lol
Nov 24 20:30:27 <kynky> how he win ?
Nov 24 20:30:34 <wazd_> and the funniest fact that he wasn't even registered, he took a badge of another guy that didn't come
Nov 24 20:30:43 <fernando_> meet ups?
Nov 24 20:30:50 <wazd_> fernando_: yes
Nov 24 20:31:06 <wazd_> qwerty12_N900: no, it isn't a matter of the device
Nov 24 20:31:23 * kynky got shipping email today :)
Nov 24 20:31:38 <qwerty12_N900> wazd_: Ah, you hate him either way and plan on killing him anyway?
Nov 24 20:31:40 <wazd_> qwerty12_N900: it's a matter of "14 apps = 1 t-shirt"
Nov 24 20:32:18 <wazd_> I'm not sure if I hate someone right now
Nov 24 20:33:31 <Milhouse> wazd_: good luck to him, lets hope he spreads the good word :)
Nov 24 20:33:35 <wazd_> Btw, as I predicted, there was some dumb PR guy instead of real maemo people
Nov 24 20:33:38 <Jaffa> crashanddie_: Yeah, that's the kind of thing I was thinking. Might try and do a mockup.
Nov 24 20:33:43 <Xisdibik> qwerty12_N900: yes, yes i plan to kill him
Nov 24 20:33:53 <wazd_> Milhouse: yeah, he's not the worst candidate to get it
Nov 24 20:33:55 * Xisdibik sharpens his Dagger of qwerty12_N900 bane +5
Nov 24 20:33:58 <Milhouse> wazd_: sounds just like the london meet up
Nov 24 20:34:17 <Milhouse> wazd_: no techies, no programme managers - just marketing types
Nov 24 20:34:33 <AndrewFBlack> Hey you guys remember when t.m.o was fun to ready?
Nov 24 20:34:36 <qwerty12_N900> Xisdibik: You can have my N800; just ignore that it has an '8' instead of a '9'
Nov 24 20:35:00 <wazd_> Milhouse: fortunately, there was a guy from nokia whom I met in SPB, lot's of interesting discussions
Nov 24 20:35:12 <wazd_> like maemo 6 and multitouch :)
Nov 24 20:35:45 <Jaffa> crashanddie_: Or, after you've dragged a post from the palette on the right; it becomes click to enrich a la http://www.appelsiini.net/projects/jeditable/default.html
Nov 24 20:37:03 <crashanddie_> Jaffa, nice
Nov 24 20:37:18 <Xisdibik> qwerty12_N900: for free?
Nov 24 20:37:40 <AndrewFBlack> I wonder if Reggie can make it so we can Filter Posts by people with less then 100 Posts lol
Nov 24 20:37:42 <crashanddie_> I offered a guy to come and pick up my n810 for free at my office
Nov 24 20:37:47 <crashanddie_> he didn't come
Nov 24 20:37:49 <qwerty12_N900> Xisdibik: For a deposit of blood and your right eye
Nov 24 20:38:04 <Xisdibik> qwerty12_N900: make it my left eye and u got a deal
Nov 24 20:38:20 <crashanddie_> AndrewFBlack, then you wouldn't see my posts ;)
Nov 24 20:38:37 <crashanddie_> AndrewFBlack, plus, look at zerojay, he's got well over a 100 posts, but still talks a lot of crap :)
Nov 24 20:38:40 <qwerty12_N900> AndrewFBlack: I like that idea already
Nov 24 20:38:54 <qwerty12_N900> Xisdibik: For that, both eyes
Nov 24 20:39:07 <AndrewFBlack> YeahI guess post count really donesn't matter how about anyone who is an idiot
Nov 24 20:39:16 <crashanddie_> indeed
Nov 24 20:39:22 <crashanddie_> it just means you talk a lot
Nov 24 20:39:53 <Xisdibik> qwerty12_N900: no dice,   my left eye is magical though, it can see lies
Nov 24 20:39:54 <paroneayea> crashanddie_: might I ask you if you know where I can read debugging info from the gps?
Nov 24 20:40:11 <paroneayea> trying ot figure out if it's working, running the maps app doesn't give a position even after standing outside for a bit
Nov 24 20:40:16 <paroneayea> trying *to
Nov 24 20:40:26 <qwerty12_N900> Xisdibik: Damn
Nov 24 20:40:28 <AndrewFBlack> I kinda got offened been people started Giving Dan in USA Crap
Nov 24 20:40:32 <crashanddie_> paroneayea, you should be able to run gpsd in debug mode
Nov 24 20:40:34 <wazd_> funny fact
Nov 24 20:40:44 <wazd_> every demo device had foreca installed
Nov 24 20:40:51 <paroneayea> crashanddie_: aha, cool, thanks :)
Nov 24 20:41:00 <wazd_> every owned device had OMW :D
Nov 24 20:41:06 <crashanddie_> paroneayea, http://gpsd.berlios.de/gpsd.html
Nov 24 20:41:22 <qwerty12_N900> wazd_: The firmware from tablets-dev has an Foreca installer installed, but not Foreca itself
Nov 24 20:41:31 <qwerty12_N900> *a
Nov 24 20:42:01 <konttori> does transmission support DHT, PEX or magnet links?
Nov 24 20:42:10 <wazd_> qwerty12_N900: no, I mean on the desktop
Nov 24 20:42:20 <Xisdibik> qwerty12_N900: my right eye you dont want though
Nov 24 20:42:33 <Xisdibik> qwerty12_N900: it sees truth, pureness, and good.  it has never seen a single thing :D
Nov 24 20:43:15 <crashanddie_> Xisdibik, he's going to eat it with bacon and cheese, do you seriously think he gives a fack about what it's seen?
Nov 24 20:43:21 <Chiku> openoffice on n900?
Nov 24 20:43:27 <qwerty12_N900> I am?
Nov 24 20:43:37 <crashanddie_> Chiku, please, no
Nov 24 20:44:11 <qwerty12_N900> Xisdibik: Right eye or nothing
Nov 24 20:45:09 <Xisdibik> crashanddie_: my eye is uneatable. :D
Nov 24 20:45:27 <Xisdibik> but bacon and cheese. mmmmm
Nov 24 20:45:29 <crashanddie_> inedible would be the word you're looking for
Nov 24 20:45:53 <Xisdibik> nope, i wanted to say uneatable.  just like i love the incorrect word UNPOSSIBLE :D
Nov 24 20:45:54 <wazd_> http://s39.radikal.ru/i084/0911/ee/4a01a40c2205.jpg
Nov 24 20:46:07 <crashanddie_> no word is incorrect
Nov 24 20:46:08 <paroneayea> crashanddie_: excellent, thx
Nov 24 20:46:38 <Xisdibik> wazd_: is that yours?
Nov 24 20:46:50 <wazd_> Xisdibik: yes, all of them
Nov 24 20:46:51 <qwerty12_N900> wazd_: Did the iPhone owner get shot with an AK-47?
Nov 24 20:46:52 <Xisdibik> diaf :P
Nov 24 20:47:08 <wazd_> Xisdibik: that's actually stuff from my left pocket only
Nov 24 20:47:12 <Ceron^> wazd_: can you give me one of those n900 <3
Nov 24 20:47:15 <andre__> qwerty12_N900, errrr which one?
Nov 24 20:47:20 <wazd_> qwerty12_N900: no, cause he hates it :D
Nov 24 20:47:25 * andre__ confused and lost in all those communication channels
Nov 24 20:48:06 <wazd_> quality is godawful cause my sister used camera before and I was too upset to re-set it
Nov 24 20:48:18 <qwerty12_N900> andre__: The owner of the iPhone featured in wazd's picture :p
Nov 24 20:48:24 <qwerty12_N900> wazd_: Good choice :p
Nov 24 20:48:27 <andre__> ehehehe
Nov 24 20:48:42 <wazd_> Ceron^: one is RST38h's and other is the winner's :)
Nov 24 20:48:54 <konttori> ah, I found the magnet support ticked in transmission: http://trac.transmissionbt.com/ticket/2096
Nov 24 20:49:02 <Ceron^> wazd_: what winners?
Nov 24 20:49:26 <wazd_> Ceron^: my friend won n900 at the meet-up
Nov 24 20:49:31 <Ceron^> ....
Nov 24 20:49:34 <andre__> qwerty12_N900, hmm. let's try to find out who he is. there's a sushi advertisement on his desk!
Nov 24 20:49:37 <paroneayea> crashanddie_: sorry to pester again, but should gpsd be bundled on the phone by default?  It doesn't appear to be
Nov 24 20:49:39 <Ceron^> wazd_: :( i want one
Nov 24 20:49:48 <paroneayea> running "ps auwwwx | grep gps" yields nothing
Nov 24 20:49:50 <andre__> (and antisushi. interesting term.)
Nov 24 20:50:04 <qwerty12_N900> andre__: You stalker, you
Nov 24 20:50:06 <konttori> looks like magnet support is going to come pretty soon, as the patch is actively worked on and seems to be almost complete from technical pov
Nov 24 20:50:07 <lcuk> wazd_, is your friend an existing maemo developer?
Nov 24 20:50:12 <lcuk> or are you well pissed that an outsider got it
Nov 24 20:50:18 <wazd_> lcuk: he's a techie guy
Nov 24 20:50:40 <wazd_> lcuk: and a developer anyway :)
Nov 24 20:50:50 <wazd_> lcuk: e97 is his
Nov 24 20:50:51 <lcuk> say hi to RST38h for us
Nov 24 20:50:52 <lcuk> or have you left now
Nov 24 20:51:00 <andre__> so, the guy asking in talk.maemo.org if his favorite porn video website works on the N900 - who wants to answer him? is it only me testing this for him, now watching things and practices that I never ever wanted to see?
Nov 24 20:51:09 <wazd_> lcuk: we're all at home now :)
Nov 24 20:51:13 <qwerty12_N900> andre__: link, please
Nov 24 20:51:13 <Stskeeps> andre__: pink pages?
Nov 24 20:51:14 <andre__> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35016
Nov 24 20:51:47 <wazd_> #maemo is featured in this shot too btw :D
Nov 24 20:51:47 <lcuk> why oh why did that photo have to be polluted by iCrap
Nov 24 20:51:49 <qwerty12_N900> andre__: Ask the GF to test it, you being on the maemo.org team and all
Nov 24 20:52:13 <wazd_> if you'll look carefully at my n800's screen
Nov 24 20:52:16 <lcuk> its like putting a ford fiesta down at a ferrari convention
Nov 24 20:52:47 <qwerty12_N900> wazd_: Wrong client =)
Nov 24 20:53:04 <wazd_> qwerty12_N900: x-chat stopped working for me somehow
Nov 24 20:53:11 <wazd_> qwerty12_N900: it just doesn't start
Nov 24 20:53:17 <wazd_> qwerty12_N900: and I'm too lazy to reflash
Nov 24 20:53:29 <qwerty12_N900> Heh
Nov 24 20:54:33 <wazd_> lcuk: I'm pissed casue I got nothing
Nov 24 20:54:46 <lcuk> you got to take part!
Nov 24 20:54:48 <wazd_> lcuk: why shoud I be pissed at the people who just won
Nov 24 20:55:27 <wazd_> I got nothing, then I got nothing, and after that I got nothing
Nov 24 20:55:39 <wazd_> that's all that is humilating
Nov 24 20:55:41 <lcuk> but you were 1 friend away from an n900
Nov 24 20:55:54 <lcuk> qwerty is right
Nov 24 20:55:59 <lcuk> go with the sneak vodka attack
Nov 24 20:56:03 <wazd_> lcuk: it's NOT a matter of actually having n900 at all cost
Nov 24 20:56:31 <wazd_> lcuk: I'm fine without it
Nov 24 20:56:42 <aSIMULAtor> :/
Nov 24 20:56:45 <derf> It's about respect.
Nov 24 20:57:14 <lcuk> wazd that sounds like the sorta talk a person with a crateful at home would say :D
Nov 24 20:57:32 <qwerty12_N900> ...next to the AKs
Nov 24 20:57:37 <wazd_> I'm actually quite happy for my friend, never seen anyone fammiliar winning in a lottery before
Nov 24 20:57:45 <paroneayea> looking through `ps auwwwx` it doesn't look like *anything* gps related is running.  Likewise, running `find / -name '*gps*'` does not seem to yield anything that looks like it would be a program for running the gps?
Nov 24 20:58:29 <paroneayea> maybe I am wrong in assuming it would be named "gps" something? :)
Nov 24 20:58:39 <crashanddie_> paroneayea, gpsd only runs when you have an app that uses the gps running, IIRC
Nov 24 20:58:48 <crashanddie_> paroneayea, however, this was on the n810, never checked it out on the n900
Nov 24 20:58:57 <wazd_> oh yeah, and Nokia Maps ABSOLUTELY SUCK BALLS
Nov 24 20:59:12 <qwerty12_N900> konttori: Transmission still has its problems, so I'm hesitant to hit the promote button
Nov 24 20:59:39 <wazd_> I mean, you should be a tallented guy to make an app that slow on such powerful hardware
Nov 24 21:00:08 <paroneayea> crashanddie_: started up nokia maps, ran `ps auwwwx | grep gps`, still yields nothing
Nov 24 21:00:18 <paroneayea> I am starting to suspect that gpsd is not bundled on here
Nov 24 21:00:20 <paroneayea> which would be odd.
Nov 24 21:01:37 <Stskeeps> there's gypsy on n900
Nov 24 21:01:38 <Stskeeps> not gpsd
Nov 24 21:01:50 <Stskeeps> wazd_: yes, ovi maps sucks
Nov 24 21:01:59 <paroneayea> Stskeeps: aha!
Nov 24 21:02:03 <paroneayea> thanks :)
Nov 24 21:02:11 <andre__> night everybody :)
Nov 24 21:03:24 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: fwiw
Nov 24 21:03:32 <timeless_mbp> in many cases, the problem isn't ovi maps
Nov 24 21:03:38 <timeless_mbp> it's ovi maps' data :)
Nov 24 21:03:46 <timeless_mbp> (a guy from maps came to visit)
Nov 24 21:03:46 <wazd_> Stskeeps: I can't even imagine why is it so slow
Nov 24 21:03:54 <crashanddie_> wazd_, html
Nov 24 21:04:05 <Stskeeps> timeless_mbp: interaction is bizarre. maps are fine
Nov 24 21:04:35 <suihkulokki> ehm. s60 maps is just fine with same data.
Nov 24 21:04:36 <timeless_mbp> oh
Nov 24 21:04:42 <Jaffa> timeless_mbp: Did you ask him where Detroit is?
Nov 24 21:04:43 <timeless_mbp> write up your problems
Nov 24 21:04:47 <timeless_mbp> yeah
Nov 24 21:04:52 <crashanddie_> if it's any consolation, by the looks of it, Ovi Maps on the N900 is a good approximation of how WebOS is going to suck
Nov 24 21:04:59 <timeless_mbp> fwiw, he even knows that Maine isn't just north of Florida!
Nov 24 21:05:12 <timeless_mbp> crashanddie_: webos shouldn't suck
Nov 24 21:05:19 <timeless_mbp> unless they hired nokians to write pieces of it
Nov 24 21:05:27 <crashanddie_> timeless_mbp, it will as much as jenna jameson
Nov 24 21:05:51 <Jaffa> The tech behind WebOS might not suck, but the screenshots I've seen have a really crap, cluttered UI
Nov 24 21:07:29 <RST38h> moo all
Nov 24 21:07:59 <timeless_mbp> Jaffa: urls?
Nov 24 21:08:25 <paroneayea> Stskeeps: so that's interesting, gypsy seems to work but I had to start it manually
Nov 24 21:08:29 <paroneayea> starting up maps didn't start it
Nov 24 21:08:37 <paroneayea> or, it seems to be "searching" :)
Nov 24 21:08:40 <paroneayea> it still hasn't found me.
Nov 24 21:08:41 <wazd_> ùðá Ø öôû öêùòï
Nov 24 21:08:47 <wazd_> oh, I was wrong
Nov 24 21:08:54 <Dantonic> wtf! amazon price went back up!
Nov 24 21:08:56 <wazd_> it's actually a t-shirt with penguins
Nov 24 21:09:00 <crashanddie_> timeless_mbp, http://www.mobilewhack.com/wp-content/pics/2009/06/webos-screenshot-sdk-3.png
Nov 24 21:09:01 <wazd_> and lazers
Nov 24 21:09:08 <crashanddie_> timeless_mbp, check out the app bar on the top
Nov 24 21:09:29 <qwerty12_N900> Why does, to me, mobilewhack sound wrong?
Nov 24 21:09:40 <Stskeeps> mobile pink?
Nov 24 21:10:03 <crashanddie_> qwerty12_N900, I think it's illegal to masturbate in a taxi
Nov 24 21:11:02 <qwerty12_N900> Damn, no ogc there, then
Nov 24 21:11:06 <timeless_mbp> crashanddie_: so the lightning bolt is a bit too close to the screen edge for my taste
Nov 24 21:11:12 <timeless_mbp> but it's very clean
Nov 24 21:11:20 <crashanddie_> timeless_mbp, it's stupid
Nov 24 21:11:25 <crashanddie_> timeless_mbp, check out some videos
Nov 24 21:11:27 <timeless_mbp> it reminds me of diablo
Nov 24 21:11:51 <crashanddie_> timeless_mbp, they try to invent new gestures, like having an arrow on the left hand of the screen to go back in a menu, completely disabling that area
Nov 24 21:11:59 <Jaffa> timeless_mbp: http://www.zone-numerique.com/uploads/Logiciels/Palm/WebOS/palm_webos_450_3.jpg and http://www.zone-numerique.com/uploads/Logiciels/Palm/WebOS/palm_webos_450_3.jpg
Nov 24 21:12:11 <crashanddie_> the screen is so sensitive that you cancel your stuff very quickly and stuff
Nov 24 21:12:15 <hotaru2k3> hmmm... i found a site supposedly selling the n900 for $250... think it's legit?
Nov 24 21:12:31 <Arkenoi> hotaru: i doubt
Nov 24 21:12:35 <timeless_mbp> Jaffa: all things considered, i like that calendar view better than ours
Nov 24 21:12:41 <timeless_mbp> a lot better actually
Nov 24 21:12:51 <crashanddie_> hotaru2k3, sure, they buy it from Nokia at $580 and sell it for $250, what's not legit?
Nov 24 21:13:23 <Arkenoi> here in russia n900 is $1k, looks quite crazy
Nov 24 21:13:32 <timeless_mbp> Jaffa: that shows me which parts of my day is busy
Nov 24 21:13:32 <crashanddie_> Jaffa, damn you for posting the same URL twice
Nov 24 21:13:35 <Jaffa> timeless_mbp: Bits of it seem a bit overdone; but I can't find any examples right now
Nov 24 21:13:38 <timeless_mbp> instead of just having random lines
Nov 24 21:13:46 <jaska> $500 in corruption fees?
Nov 24 21:13:52 <timeless_mbp> i like the way they collapsed time on the right too
Nov 24 21:13:53 <paroneayea> hey
Nov 24 21:13:58 <Jaffa> crashanddie_: Ah, I thought it was two separate images
Nov 24 21:13:59 <lcuk> pillar, talk in here about your n900!
Nov 24 21:13:59 <paroneayea> it works! :)
Nov 24 21:14:10 <paroneayea> I had to start gypsy-daemon manually, but now it works :)
Nov 24 21:14:16 <lcuk> talk everywhere about it :D glad you are liking it
Nov 24 21:14:19 <paroneayea> /usr/libexec/gypsy-daemon --no-daemon
Nov 24 21:14:23 <mzz> in http://www.mobilewhack.com/wp-content/pics/2009/06/webos-screenshot-sdk-3.png I don't understand why most things are right-to-left
Nov 24 21:14:24 <Ceron^> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF3WfHWzzOU&feature=player_embedded
Nov 24 21:14:30 <timeless_mbp> Arkenoi: the european list price is roughly 750USD
Nov 24 21:14:42 <timeless_mbp> so seeing it for 1000USD in russia wouldn't shock me
Nov 24 21:14:42 <Ceron^> mzz: in china you read from right to left
Nov 24 21:14:53 <mzz> Ceron^: yes, but this is english
Nov 24 21:14:59 <Ceron^> :D
Nov 24 21:15:06 * Jaffa beds
Nov 24 21:15:07 <timeless_mbp> Jaffa: so.... Clear 56F / F | 13C / C
Nov 24 21:15:13 <mzz> it can't be chinese, I can read it
Nov 24 21:15:14 <timeless_mbp> any idea why it has 2 Fs and 2 Cs ?
Nov 24 21:15:18 <konttori> qwerty12_N900: ah, I have been just enjoying so much that I would gladly see it show up in random users catalogues as well
Nov 24 21:17:36 <qwerty12_N900> konttori: Ah, well, glad to hear it :)
Nov 24 21:19:43 <n6pfk> Are there any video chat apps for the N810?
Nov 24 21:21:07 <fernando_> should tear.db have a specific owner? ...wait nvm I think I just have it owned by root
Nov 24 21:21:09 <fernando_> lol
Nov 24 21:22:08 <wazd_> timeless_mbp: we have a fair 600 euros price
Nov 24 21:23:55 <krfkeith> hey
Nov 24 21:24:03 <krfkeith> just got my new N900!
Nov 24 21:24:05 <krfkeith> yay!
Nov 24 21:24:11 <Stskeeps> cool, welcome to the crowd :)
Nov 24 21:24:25 <krfkeith> Stskeeps: thanks!
Nov 24 21:24:54 <krfkeith> however, for some reason everytime I try to use one of the emulators I got from maemo.org, the program crashes
Nov 24 21:25:01 <denky> what's up with the maemo repos? I'm getting 401's both in the n900 aswell as in scrachbox.
Nov 24 21:25:13 <crashanddie_> denky, could they be down?
Nov 24 21:25:34 <Stskeeps> denky: there's reported issues with them
Nov 24 21:25:37 <krfkeith> denky: I've been using them fine atm
Nov 24 21:25:46 <Stskeeps> there's a talk thread on them. refresh a couple of times and you may avoid them
Nov 24 21:25:57 <crashanddie_> denky, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/e/eightyone/ looks fine from here
Nov 24 21:26:07 <paroneayea> one thing I really appreciate about the n900
Nov 24 21:26:17 <crashanddie_> paroneayea, yeah, me too
Nov 24 21:26:23 <paroneayea> it is 100% usable without command line and programming skills
Nov 24 21:26:24 <denky> Yeah, retrying seems to work sometimes. But my scratchbox can't get dick done.
Nov 24 21:26:24 <paroneayea> but
Nov 24 21:26:34 <paroneayea> having those skills augments that
Nov 24 21:26:52 <crashanddie_> denky, apt-get install dick?
Nov 24 21:26:54 <Veggen> how is it to use as a phone?
Nov 24 21:26:59 <qwerty12_N900> denky: scratchbox <======8
Nov 24 21:27:01 <crashanddie_> Veggen, awesome, really
Nov 24 21:27:01 <Veggen> compared to, say, the iPhone?
Nov 24 21:27:03 <denky> :-)
Nov 24 21:27:04 <paroneayea> Veggen: it's fantastic
Nov 24 21:27:05 * Arkenoi just got my n900 as well, won one on maemo meetup ;-)
Nov 24 21:27:10 <paroneayea> it works great as a phone
Nov 24 21:27:16 <paroneayea> also works great as a computer
Nov 24 21:27:16 <pupnik_> nice win
Nov 24 21:27:20 <paroneayea> it works great as both
Nov 24 21:27:26 <lcuk> Arkenoi, coool are you .ru?
Nov 24 21:27:28 <denky> awesome, I've only had it for a day. (long time n810 user though)
Nov 24 21:27:28 <krfkeith> it jsut works great
Nov 24 21:27:31 <Arkenoi> yep
Nov 24 21:27:33 <timeless_mbp> Arkenoi: sorry, make that 900USD
Nov 24 21:27:34 <crashanddie_> Veggen, skype calls are good, even over 3g
Nov 24 21:27:39 <Veggen> I'm considering one, when I can get to one in physical store. I do want to look and touch one before I buy, though.
Nov 24 21:27:40 <timeless_mbp> i'm tired
Nov 24 21:27:42 <timeless_mbp> Arkenoi: ...
Nov 24 21:27:44 <lcuk> it works well as a hammer too and sometimes as a mirror
Nov 24 21:27:49 <timeless_mbp> the list price in europe is 600EUR
Nov 24 21:27:54 <krfkeith> has anyone had this issue with the emulators?
Nov 24 21:27:58 <timeless_mbp> at 1.5USD per 1EUR, that's 900USD
Nov 24 21:28:12 <pupnik_> what issue
Nov 24 21:28:12 <timeless_mbp> so your 1000USD is only 100USD more than the european list price
Nov 24 21:28:15 <Veggen> (I do have the n810, but buying a n900 depends on its phone usability - if I want to use it as my primary phone or not)
Nov 24 21:28:17 <qwerty12_N900> krfkeith: What emulator, and what's the file name?
Nov 24 21:28:18 <timeless_mbp> which is really not that bad
Nov 24 21:28:23 <paroneayea> too bad blender mostly requires being able to right click
Nov 24 21:28:28 <paroneayea> would be fun to use on the device
Nov 24 21:28:31 <paroneayea> I may port it over anyway
Nov 24 21:28:32 <krfkeith> qwerty12_N900: iNES, and VGBA
Nov 24 21:28:34 <denky> Took a while to find the usual packages. Still haven't found screen, tcpdump and other such tools, though. Wouldn't mind porting them myself, but I'm sure someone has already done all that.
Nov 24 21:28:38 <Arkenoi> won't sell it, the keyboard is not as good as e90, but that's maemo and s60 sucks
Nov 24 21:28:41 <lcuk> krfkeith, if you are having problems with the emulators (or any apps) try to follow the bug reporting url specified iwth the app and file bugs.
Nov 24 21:28:44 <timeless_mbp> ok, help
Nov 24 21:28:50 <qwerty12_N900> krfkeith: Trying to load a zip file?
Nov 24 21:28:51 <pupnik_> how bout a hack to map camera button to right-click on n900
Nov 24 21:28:52 <lcuk> help make maemo better and more stable for yourself and those that follow
Nov 24 21:28:53 <Arkenoi> so i keep this one
Nov 24 21:28:54 <krfkeith> lcuk: ok,will do
Nov 24 21:28:57 <timeless_mbp> anyone here familiar w/ mmap?
Nov 24 21:28:58 <denky> rsync -ave ssh --progress k@10.0.0.8:eos .
Nov 24 21:29:09 <pupnik_> for that specific app
Nov 24 21:29:15 <denky> oops
Nov 24 21:29:17 <krfkeith> qwerty12_N900: DUH! I'm an idiot! is there an unzip utility for maemo?
Nov 24 21:29:30 <lcuk> krfkeith, normally theres lots of emu guys in here for the different ones, if you explain specifically which app and what you did
Nov 24 21:29:39 <denky> and hey, what's up with maemomapper?
Nov 24 21:29:43 <Arkenoi> is there better contact search application that works well without qwerty?
Nov 24 21:29:46 <lcuk> someone should at least be able to try and find out
Nov 24 21:29:49 <qwerty12_N900> krfkeith: Not outside of extras-devel :\
Nov 24 21:29:50 <paroneayea> whoa
Nov 24 21:29:56 <paroneayea> just discovered the zoom in/out buttons
Nov 24 21:30:00 <paroneayea> hmmm
Nov 24 21:30:04 <paroneayea> oh hey
Nov 24 21:30:08 <timeless_mbp> krfkeith: unzip is kinda included in the backup app
Nov 24 21:30:16 <Arkenoi> it's really great nokia did not drop irda, i like irda ;-)
Nov 24 21:30:17 <timeless_mbp> since it uses .zip files for backups :)
Nov 24 21:30:22 <timeless_mbp> but i've never tried to abuse it
Nov 24 21:30:59 <krfkeith> timeless_mbp: so you can use it to unzip or not?
Nov 24 21:31:01 <Arkenoi> do you compile on-device, without cross toolchain?
Nov 24 21:31:20 <qwerty12_N900> Arkenoi: For sharing files?
Nov 24 21:31:23 <Arkenoi> i like to have my development environment with me
Nov 24 21:31:36 <paroneayea> Arkenoi: I've been considering doing that too
Nov 24 21:31:44 <krfkeith> will OS2008 apps work on Freemantle?
Nov 24 21:31:50 <timeless_mbp> krfkeith: i've never tried to abuse it
Nov 24 21:31:53 <timeless_mbp> but i suspect i could
Nov 24 21:31:55 <krfkeith> sorry for such a stupid ?
Nov 24 21:32:14 <qwerty12_N900> zap: Port Xarchiver :)
Nov 24 21:32:21 <Arkenoi> qwerty: for sharing files it is too slow, but for sending contact cards it is better than bt as there is no need to search and pair (yes, some crazy devices cannot receive without pairing)
Nov 24 21:32:41 <Arkenoi> and i do not want to pair with anyone, that's damn insecure ;-)
Nov 24 21:33:23 <krfkeith> I'm going to try and compile 0 A.D. (age of empires clone) for Maemo5
Nov 24 21:33:24 <qwerty12_N900> Arkenoi: Ah, Nokia haven't provided support for sending files using it and I'm not entirely sure it can recieve signals, either...
Nov 24 21:33:33 <krfkeith> maemo is debian based right?
Nov 24 21:34:19 <paroneayea> krfkeith: correct, it is a debian derivative
Nov 24 21:34:25 <krfkeith> ah good
Nov 24 21:34:29 <paroneayea> packages are not quite the same as debian
Nov 24 21:34:35 <krfkeith> oh darn
Nov 24 21:34:38 <Arkenoi> qwerty: does it work as remote control?
Nov 24 21:34:43 <krfkeith> so debian stuff won't work directly I guess
Nov 24 21:34:50 <Stskeeps> krfkeith: give it a try and see if it works, best way
Nov 24 21:34:51 <paroneayea> correct
Nov 24 21:34:52 <krfkeith> i.e., I can't use debian arm repositories
Nov 24 21:34:56 <Stskeeps> armel
Nov 24 21:34:56 <qwerty12_N900> Arkenoi: Sure; check irreco
Nov 24 21:35:03 <denky> maemomapper for n900, where on earth is it?
Nov 24 21:35:05 <paroneayea> krfkeith: well, there is apparently an optify thing
Nov 24 21:35:08 <Stskeeps> denky: garage.maemo.org
Nov 24 21:35:09 <krfkeith> Stskeeps: will do
Nov 24 21:35:15 <Arkenoi> qwerty: sounds quite strange as sending files is standard linux irda stack capability
Nov 24 21:35:24 <krfkeith> paroneayea: what's optify?
Nov 24 21:35:27 <denky> right, ofcourse
Nov 24 21:35:30 <Stskeeps> denky: the guy who made it is now working for google..
Nov 24 21:35:32 <krfkeith> does it convert .deb to whatever maemo uses?
Nov 24 21:35:33 <pillar> lcuk, sorry been busy trying to configure things on it :)
Nov 24 21:35:45 <paroneayea> krfkeith: not sure if that's the name, but maemo .deb files install in /opt instead of /usr
Nov 24 21:35:51 <paroneayea> to keep /usr flashable and other optimizations
Nov 24 21:36:04 <paroneayea> so if you install an arm package into /usr
Nov 24 21:36:04 <krfkeith> paroneayea: ok
Nov 24 21:36:06 <qwerty12_N900> Arkenoi: Think it's there for developers to use as they wish, so if someone does hack it to allow it to send files :)
Nov 24 21:36:07 <paroneayea> you'll run out of space
Nov 24 21:36:09 <paroneayea> fast :)
Nov 24 21:36:23 <paroneayea> I haven't tried it, someone recommended that I do though
Nov 24 21:36:42 <paroneayea> I am trying to learn packaging so I can be useful
Nov 24 21:36:51 <pillar> lcuk trying to make xterm utf-8 friendly and adding up/down/alt to xterm virtual button list
Nov 24 21:37:09 <greenfly> pillar: don't need alt
Nov 24 21:37:21 <lcuk> cool, qole posted a set of keys he uses lots for term
Nov 24 21:37:22 <pillar> greenfly how come?
Nov 24 21:37:39 <greenfly> pillar: in a terminal, Esc and Alt are interchangeable, apparently
Nov 24 21:37:39 <denky> Stskeeps: figures... :)
Nov 24 21:37:44 <pillar> lcuk yeah, noticed that one :)
Nov 24 21:37:58 <qwerty12_N900> pillar: Nokia, being the genii that they are, removed the dialog for adding shortcuts in the X Terminal app itself. You'll have to edit its GConf keys
Nov 24 21:38:09 <lardman> hmm, anyone know how I can rip a CD using Ubuntu Karmic Koala?
Nov 24 21:38:27 <greenfly> lardman: various options but I still like grip the best
Nov 24 21:38:31 <greenfly> there's also soundjuicer
Nov 24 21:38:38 <lardman> I can't find the mount point for the drive
Nov 24 21:38:39 <paroneayea> so the "slider" that is next to the headphone port
Nov 24 21:38:41 <paroneayea> what is that for?
Nov 24 21:38:47 <paroneayea> it clearly isn't for opening the case
Nov 24 21:38:53 <greenfly> paroneayea: locks the screen
Nov 24 21:38:55 <qwerty12_N900> Locking the tablet
Nov 24 21:38:57 <paroneayea> greenfly: aha
Nov 24 21:39:23 <paroneayea> that makes screen locking much easier :)
Nov 24 21:39:33 <paroneayea> hey, maybe I can remap that one to an alt key ;)
Nov 24 21:39:40 * paroneayea still searching for a good way to get alt
Nov 24 21:40:17 <greenfly> why do you need alt?
Nov 24 21:40:27 <paroneayea> I guess I can just remap execute-extended-command in emacs (M-x)
Nov 24 21:40:34 <paroneayea> emacs nerd :)
Nov 24 21:40:51 <pekuja> is it easy to remap keys on Maemo? does xmodmap work?
Nov 24 21:40:52 <qwerty12_N900> Use vi - problem solved =)
Nov 24 21:40:55 <greenfly> ahh. Esc works in a terminal but I don't know about in emacs
Nov 24 21:40:58 <pillar> qwerty yeah that's what I'm trying, I'm such a newbie with this kind of things
Nov 24 21:40:59 <paroneayea> qwerty12_N900: never! :)
Nov 24 21:41:09 <Arkenoi> looks like i canoot access sim toolkit from maemo
Nov 24 21:41:12 <paroneayea> actually I do use vi
Nov 24 21:41:13 <paroneayea> sometimes
Nov 24 21:41:22 <greenfly> paroneayea: how are you going to do all the emacs combo keys with your thumbs?
Nov 24 21:41:23 <pillar> greenfly: you are probably right, I remember using esc on mac
Nov 24 21:41:49 <hotaru2k3> real vi, busybox vi, or vim?
Nov 24 21:41:54 <paroneayea> greenfly: most "emacs combos" are just successions of two keys pressed at once
Nov 24 21:41:55 <pillar> green: I wanted alt for changing channels on irssi
Nov 24 21:42:00 <paroneayea> either ctrl+key or alt+key
Nov 24 21:42:11 <paroneayea> so, you already are doing ctrl+key with the n900 keyboard
Nov 24 21:42:18 <greenfly> pillar: yeah I use Esc for that in irssi
Nov 24 21:42:29 <greenfly> works just fine
Nov 24 21:42:34 <pillar> greenfly: nice, thanks
Nov 24 21:43:02 <krfkeith> what's the defualt root password
Nov 24 21:43:28 <paroneayea> krfkeith: if you type "sudo gainroot" you don't enter one
Nov 24 21:43:45 <qwerty12_N900> ~root-access
Nov 24 21:43:46 <infobot> i heard root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access
Nov 24 21:43:47 <paroneayea> and when you install ssh-server it'll prompt you for a password for root
Nov 24 21:44:01 <paroneayea> ah, every channel needs an infobot of some sort hm ? :)
Nov 24 21:44:03 <pillar> krfkeith: also, installing ssh-server ... paroneayea beat me to it
Nov 24 21:44:11 <greenfly> no ssh as root! :)
Nov 24 21:45:04 <paroneayea> greenfly: not my fault!  Those are maemo defaults :)
Nov 24 21:46:10 <crashanddie_> just deactivate password login and slam a certificate in there
Nov 24 21:46:18 <greenfly> at least it prompts you to enter a password...
Nov 24 21:46:22 * greenfly glares at jailbroken iphones
Nov 24 21:46:43 <pillar> :)
Nov 24 21:47:04 <paroneayea> crashanddie_: assuming you meant using public key auth, that's certainly the right route
Nov 24 21:47:16 <felbutss> hey guys.  i dont know if u guys remebr me from a few hours ago what i was having problems flashing my n900 with flasher, as my firmware update with NSU stoped half way.
Nov 24 21:47:46 <felbutss> flash still cant detect my N900. i was reading the redme file and notice i have to put it in flashing mode
Nov 24 21:48:00 <crashanddie_> felbutss, no, not really
Nov 24 21:48:02 <Stskeeps> felbutss: you can try to hold down 'u'
Nov 24 21:48:04 <felbutss> i hold down u then plug the USB cable in but nothing happens
Nov 24 21:48:18 <Stskeeps> u on the n900 i assume?
Nov 24 21:48:25 <felbutss> yep
Nov 24 21:48:31 <timeless_mbp> paroneayea: afaik installing into /opt doesn't make your system flashable
Nov 24 21:48:38 <timeless_mbp> in fact, it should make your system hosed
Nov 24 21:48:47 <timeless_mbp> because when you flash, we forget that you have stuff in /opt
Nov 24 21:49:03 <timeless_mbp> and if you try to install or update those packages, afaik, you should get awful conflicts
Nov 24 21:49:05 <Stskeeps> felbutss: any success charging it?
Nov 24 21:49:29 <felbutss> ye its charged
Nov 24 21:49:30 <felbutss> lemi try a few things
Nov 24 21:49:34 <felbutss> fingers crossed
Nov 24 21:50:10 <hcarrega> hi
Nov 24 21:50:27 <paroneayea> timeless_mbp: well, there was some justification for the incompatible-opt-silliness
Nov 24 21:50:32 <paroneayea> I assumed that was some part of it :)
Nov 24 21:51:55 <Stskeeps> felbutss: could you for fun try to do flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode -R
Nov 24 21:52:02 <Stskeeps> and see if that changes anything
Nov 24 21:52:16 <pillar> green: yep, esc works! now if I could only get the xterm show scandinavic keys right in irssi.. they do work fine in the shell
Nov 24 21:53:59 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N900: saw there's now a 'qwertyberty' on t.m.o? ;p
Nov 24 21:54:24 <hcarrega> hi
Nov 24 21:54:26 <qwerty12_N900> Damn these fakes!
Nov 24 21:54:47 <krfkeith> I was looking at xarchiver, and it said I needed to install certain utilites, so I used apt-get and it doesn't show them
Nov 24 21:54:51 <Stskeeps> i thought it was like a retarded qwerty ;)
Nov 24 21:55:05 <VDVsx> qwertyberty == trolling qwerty12_N900 :P
Nov 24 21:56:05 <lcuk> where is xchat
Nov 24 21:56:10 <Shapeshifter> lol n900 crybabies
Nov 24 21:56:20 <lcuk> and why is -devel down and is it stopping the autobuilder
Nov 24 21:56:55 <felbutss> C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode -R flasher v2.5.2 (Sep 24 2009)  Suitable USB device not found, waiting.
Nov 24 21:57:09 <felbutss> :(
Nov 24 21:57:22 <Stskeeps> felbutss: original USB cable?
Nov 24 21:57:26 <felbutss> yep
Nov 24 21:57:30 <felbutss> was in the box
Nov 24 21:57:39 <Stskeeps> felbutss: and try to pull battery, plug in battery, insert usb
Nov 24 21:58:04 <felbutss> running out of ideas. tryed that two about 30 times lol.
Nov 24 21:58:14 <felbutss> ill do a few more things
Nov 24 21:58:31 <felbutss> it just keeps restarting and doing weird things.
Nov 24 21:58:36 <Stskeeps> felbutss: so did you buy or did you win it, btw? :P
Nov 24 21:58:50 <felbutss> win
Nov 24 21:59:10 <felbutss> how can i check if its a pre prod
Nov 24 21:59:27 <Stskeeps> under the cover usually, under battery
Nov 24 21:59:36 <Stskeeps> but it sounds weird that this happens :P
Nov 24 21:59:58 <felbutss> it does lol
Nov 24 22:00:35 <Stskeeps> so i'm going to assume it didn't come with warranty? :P
Nov 24 22:01:16 <felbutss> wasnt mentioned? it said i won a brand new n900 if it didnt then thats dodgy
Nov 24 22:01:23 <Stskeeps> ah
Nov 24 22:01:30 <felbutss> on nokia behalf
Nov 24 22:01:31 <Stskeeps> can you explain more about the circumstances? :)
Nov 24 22:01:42 <felbutss> wht part
Nov 24 22:01:53 <Stskeeps> as in, how did you win it/what competition/etc :P
Nov 24 22:01:53 <lcuk> which event, competition etc?
Nov 24 22:02:12 <SpeedEvil> Single combat?
Nov 24 22:02:36 <SpeedEvil> Though that's frowned on as a means of aquisition in some cases.
Nov 24 22:02:50 <javispedro> it is? :(
Nov 24 22:03:13 * VDVsx runs and hides from the mega trolling attack at tmo :)
Nov 24 22:03:15 <Stskeeps> felbutss: basically you might have some degree of luck contacting nokia care.. if your device went that hosed in a NSU flash/died in the midst, it might be of interest to developers
Nov 24 22:03:34 <Stskeeps> felbutss: NSU doesn't react to it now?
Nov 24 22:03:44 <felbutss> on blogs.nokia.com/nseries i won the nokia cityman contest. it was like a little OVI promotion thing nokia were doing. they just contact me through email and im in australia by the way
Nov 24 22:04:12 <lcuk> ahhhh holding your n900 upside down invalidates even the strongest of warranties
Nov 24 22:04:25 <javispedro> VDVsx: why? we're safely hidden here. just grab some popcorn and enjoy the show :)
Nov 24 22:04:33 <felbutss> hhhmmm
Nov 24 22:04:35 <qwerty12_N900> lcuk: The same can be said for taking it to the north
Nov 24 22:04:58 <lcuk> lol
Nov 24 22:05:35 <lcuk> i need to get my head into liqbase
Nov 24 22:05:36 <VDVsx> javispedro, :)
Nov 24 22:05:52 * lardman decides to boot windows to rip cd, sad he knows
Nov 24 22:05:56 <lardman> bbl
Nov 24 22:05:58 <javispedro> and hpe the trolls don't invade this place, or else we have to retreat to #maemo-bunker
Nov 24 22:06:00 <VDVsx> lcuk, are you porting liqbase to the Iphone ?
Nov 24 22:06:02 <lcuk> cya simon
Nov 24 22:06:22 <lcuk> VDVsx, nahhh i might port iphone as an app inside liqbase one day tho
Nov 24 22:06:29 <qwerty12_N900> VDVsx: Nah, he's bringing iPhone to liqbase
Nov 24 22:06:30 <qwerty12_N900> Heh
Nov 24 22:06:34 <qwerty12_N900> +the
Nov 24 22:06:35 <lcuk> afterall, its just a posh browser
Nov 24 22:06:37 <VDVsx> lcuk, buhhhhhh
Nov 24 22:06:45 <melmoth> bah
Nov 24 22:06:46 <melmoth> oups
Nov 24 22:06:46 <VDVsx> that's a deal breaker
Nov 24 22:06:54 <Arkenoi> pdf reader is surprisingly smooth on n900. it was quite a nightmare on n770
Nov 24 22:06:55 <lcuk> snot really VDVsx
Nov 24 22:06:56 <Stskeeps> felbutss: right. for good measure, try to mail back to them. Explain that you wanted to reflash using NSU, and it failed mid-way. Tell them that you downloaded a firmware image manually, got advice by maemo.org community to try out flashing using flasher-3.5, and even tried to enable R&D mode, all of which failed. If they could advise you a way to get your N900 back in shape - maybe the problem would be of interest to them.
Nov 24 22:07:01 <lcuk> iphone on n810 sounds appealing
Nov 24 22:07:32 <qwerty12_N900> Arkenoi: Wasn't everything a nightmare on the 770? :)
Nov 24 22:07:32 <VDVsx> lcuk, with sooth scrolling ;)
Nov 24 22:07:33 <felbutss> im was writing somthing up now lol
Nov 24 22:07:39 <felbutss> thanks ill add to that
Nov 24 22:07:41 <lcuk> felbutss, listen to Stskeeps, he is out dist-master.
Nov 24 22:07:50 <lcuk> our
Nov 24 22:07:56 <felbutss> lol i can tell he is amazing
Nov 24 22:08:15 <Stskeeps> felbutss: i'd be at a loss if i was in your situation too. i would be able to dig out a little more info but that's that :P
Nov 24 22:08:20 <lcuk> heh shush you just made his head grow a bit more
Nov 24 22:08:43 <Stskeeps> felbutss: also mention you have tried to charge it etc :P
Nov 24 22:09:16 <lcuk> has anyone tested whether n900 is blendproof yet?
Nov 24 22:09:19 <lcuk> or waterproof?
Nov 24 22:09:25 <lcuk> or any of the things people try
Nov 24 22:09:38 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: I have submitted it to the BlendTek people as a suggestion.
Nov 24 22:09:39 <qwerty12_N900> ladies first, *nudges lcuk*
Nov 24 22:09:49 <lcuk> :D hahaha SpeedEvil great!
Nov 24 22:10:10 <lcuk> brb moving boxen
Nov 24 22:13:34 <felbutss> wait a minute. i was able to turn it on a few minutes ago for a few seconds. now it wont turn on at all if i press the power button. so maybe the phone didnt charge at all last night with the wall charger. it was charging with the flashing yellow light in my car last night
Nov 24 22:13:51 <felbutss> will it not enter flashing mode by holding U with a low battery
Nov 24 22:13:55 <felbutss> ?
Nov 24 22:14:03 <Stskeeps> felbutss: i personally don
Nov 24 22:14:12 <Stskeeps> 't use 'u' for flashing.. :P
Nov 24 22:14:22 <felbutss> lol
Nov 24 22:14:22 <felbutss> ooo
Nov 24 22:14:57 <Stskeeps> felbutss: ok, now try to plug it in, hold down power button after plugging it in
Nov 24 22:16:41 <felbutss> nothing. brb guys im off to the nokia care centre. ill let u guys know later how i go. the device isnt even in australia yet. they problem have not seem one before
Nov 24 22:16:58 <felbutss> probley*
Nov 24 22:17:10 <Stskeeps> felbutss: good luck - they may have flashing stations for it
Nov 24 22:17:22 <Stskeeps> felbutss: keep us updated OK?
Nov 24 22:17:23 <felbutss> hope so. i hope they have the image
Nov 24 22:17:27 <felbutss> i will
Nov 24 22:17:30 <felbutss> brbrb cyas
Nov 24 22:18:39 <GAN900> Arkenoi, it's not IRDA
Nov 24 22:18:52 * javispedro notes that some tmo trolls write similarly styled posts
Nov 24 22:19:03 <Arkenoi> GAN900: what is it then?
Nov 24 22:19:40 <GAN900> CiR
Nov 24 22:19:55 <Arkenoi> gan900: wow. is it powerful enough?
Nov 24 22:19:57 <GAN900> Same type of thing that's on your remote control.
Nov 24 22:20:02 <kynky> the kind you find on a tv remote control
Nov 24 22:20:17 <Arkenoi> i know what cir is and wonder why it is so rare in gadgets ;-)
Nov 24 22:20:20 <GAN900> I don't have a room big enough to test the range.
Nov 24 22:20:35 <kynky> more useful imho, especially considering wifi and bt for data
Nov 24 22:20:39 * GAN900 shrugs
Nov 24 22:20:50 <javispedro> I wanted IrDA :(
Nov 24 22:20:52 <Stskeeps> javispedro: i vote for masked IP addresses on tmo
Nov 24 22:20:54 <GAN900> Probably because Palm made IRDA so popular.
Nov 24 22:21:11 <GAN900> Bluetooth.
Nov 24 22:21:57 <Stskeeps> javispedro: either that, or the ability to punch people in the face over IP.
Nov 24 22:21:59 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 24 22:22:12 <javispedro> the worst part is that sometime it is trolls who bring in some sanity...
Nov 24 22:22:14 <kynky> irda is slow for data i thought. compared to wireless g
Nov 24 22:22:27 <SpeedEvil> kynky: yes - generally very slow
Nov 24 22:22:49 <javispedro> irda is slow, obsolete and useless. but I still want, I'm a geek dammit.
Nov 24 22:23:09 <kynky> javispedro, so its just the geek factor :)
Nov 24 22:23:17 <SpeedEvil> IRDA is however _easy_
Nov 24 22:23:21 <javispedro> exactly.
Nov 24 22:23:23 <SpeedEvil> in that all you need is a UART
Nov 24 22:23:38 <kynky> and direct line of sight ?
Nov 24 22:23:59 <SpeedEvil> that too.
Nov 24 22:24:06 <GAN900> and time
Nov 24 22:24:22 <GAN900> Lots of time for anything not utterly trivial. ;)
Nov 24 22:24:22 <kynky> and compatability
Nov 24 22:24:28 <crashanddie_> line it up, just a bit more, a, i got something, shit, it failed
Nov 24 22:24:32 <SpeedEvil> And it also fails if you're at >0.3C with regards to the reciever, due to doppler.
Nov 24 22:24:44 <SpeedEvil> oops.
Nov 24 22:24:49 <kynky> cir has wider angle i thought
Nov 24 22:24:50 * SpeedEvil holds up a pen, which flashes.
Nov 24 22:25:00 * GAN900 bemoans Florida drivers
Nov 24 22:25:01 <javispedro> thanks for the information, I will make sure to test IrDA while on a spaceship
Nov 24 22:25:33 <crashanddie_> javispedro, thought exactly the same ;)
Nov 24 22:25:45 <crashanddie_> javispedro, though that would be lowercase c
Nov 24 22:26:00 * crashanddie_ is bored
Nov 24 22:26:05 <crashanddie_> no shows to watch, nothing to do
Nov 24 22:26:09 <hotaru2k3> bt and wifi have the same problem with doppler, tho
Nov 24 22:26:10 <javispedro> OH SHIT
Nov 24 22:26:18 <javispedro> too late for a show.
Nov 24 22:26:19 <javispedro> too bad.
Nov 24 22:26:28 <GAN900> crashanddie_, go counter-troll Talk.
Nov 24 22:26:42 <kynky> well n900 should be more powerful than computers used for original spaceshuttle program, so all you need now is some rocket fuel and some metal and a launchpad
Nov 24 22:26:45 <GAN900> and don't hate on zerojay
Nov 24 22:26:45 <crashanddie_> GAN900, I said I was bored, not wanting to change my habits
Nov 24 22:26:53 <crashanddie_> GAN900, I didn't hate on him
Nov 24 22:27:01 <lcuk> im gonna do something i havent done in a long time.
Nov 24 22:27:09 <crashanddie_> lcuk, wank?
Nov 24 22:27:25 <lcuk> nahh im doin that now, shurrup
Nov 24 22:27:30 <Stskeeps> yes, we need to employ some of the former trolls to counter the incoming ones :P
Nov 24 22:27:30 <qwerty12_N900> Stskeeps: I like this strategy. You first?
Nov 24 22:27:32 <lcuk> i meant try fbreader
Nov 24 22:27:35 <crashanddie_> lcuk, stop wanking then?
Nov 24 22:27:38 <crashanddie_> oh
Nov 24 22:27:40 <lcuk> and go through some new books
Nov 24 22:27:51 * GAN900 needs to find more books.
Nov 24 22:27:54 <lcuk> and if im unhappy i might take the backend of fbreader
Nov 24 22:27:55 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N900: i was thinking PB could be put to use
Nov 24 22:27:56 <javispedro> so, microb has now an ugly and unthemed "addons" window?
Nov 24 22:27:58 <qwerty12_N900> lcuk: You're gonna toss on books?
Nov 24 22:28:01 <lcuk> and do stuff to it
Nov 24 22:28:02 <Stskeeps> javispedro: yes
Nov 24 22:28:02 <qwerty12_N900> Stskeeps: heh
Nov 24 22:28:05 <GAN900> I keep finishing them and running out.
Nov 24 22:28:11 <greenfly> javispedro: "now" ?
Nov 24 22:28:22 <crashanddie_> GAN900, that sounds bad, in the wanking context
Nov 24 22:28:24 <qwerty12_N900> lcuk: Is your library sticky?
Nov 24 22:28:28 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N900: for facilitating them, of course
Nov 24 22:28:32 <javispedro> greenfly: Well on Diablo the extensions window was themed...
Nov 24 22:28:33 <lcuk> qwerty12_N900, yes
Nov 24 22:28:38 <greenfly> javispedro: ahh
Nov 24 22:28:44 <lcuk> it is the only reason why people want portrait phones
Nov 24 22:28:57 <crashanddie_> wanking with the other hand while browsing porn?
Nov 24 22:29:21 <javispedro> you perverts, why I assume that is 90% of the n900 usecases
Nov 24 22:29:25 <qwerty12_N900> lcuk: Yeah, lol, there was a guy on Talk asking for portrait mode support in the video player
Nov 24 22:29:32 <lcuk> nahhh javispedro its not
Nov 24 22:29:32 <qwerty12_N900> I had to reply
Nov 24 22:29:33 <crashanddie_> qwerty12_N900, LMAO
Nov 24 22:29:35 <GAN900> . . .
Nov 24 22:29:40 <lcuk> the iphone users want it
Nov 24 22:29:43 <Juzna> hmm
Nov 24 22:29:45 <lcuk> they are used to one handed use
Nov 24 22:29:51 <crashanddie_> yeah but they're wankers anyway
Nov 24 22:29:54 <crashanddie_> not literally though
Nov 24 22:29:56 <lcuk> lololol
Nov 24 22:29:57 <greenfly> heh
Nov 24 22:30:06 <lcuk> qwerty12_N900, me n tracy were making a video the other day
Nov 24 22:30:07 <Juzna> is there a way to create shortcuts for ssh hosts?
Nov 24 22:30:11 <Stskeeps> the question is rather if n900 qualifies as a proper pink page viewer
Nov 24 22:30:13 <Juzna> or there is but is there some guide
Nov 24 22:30:15 <javispedro> At last, a troll who looks the part, at last, a gadget which looks good naked.
Nov 24 22:30:30 <lcuk> and fell about laughing at the capabilities of the device
Nov 24 22:30:32 <qwerty12_N900> lcuk: lol
Nov 24 22:30:39 <lcuk> Stskeeps, testing is a hard job
Nov 24 22:31:05 <crashanddie_> "hard" indeed
Nov 24 22:31:12 <kynky> lcuk, especially for pimps
Nov 24 22:31:22 <julianoliver> hi, i am getting continuous 401: Unauthorized IP errors while running the 'maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh' script. it appears to be the same problem as others are expressing here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5622
Nov 24 22:31:24 <povbot> Bug 5622: extras-devel: apt-get install complains about unauthorized IP
Nov 24 22:31:26 <GAN900> Barcelona is getting closer and I still don't know what's what.
Nov 24 22:31:31 <crashanddie_> julianoliver, more people have reported it
Nov 24 22:31:40 <crashanddie_> GAN900, it's a city in spain
Nov 24 22:31:52 <lcuk> GAN900, just come over and talk with us, will be good to meet you finally
Nov 24 22:31:54 <javispedro> GAN900: ah, me neither. I don't even know what to do on friday...
Nov 24 22:31:58 <crashanddie_> GAN900, though technically, it's not moving, so not really "getting closer"
Nov 24 22:32:06 <GAN900> lcuk, travel arrangements.
Nov 24 22:32:06 <julianoliver> crashanddie_: is there a workaround? the IP listed is not my own, probably an ISP proxy.
Nov 24 22:32:19 <crashanddie_> julianoliver, not that I'm aware of
Nov 24 22:32:25 <GAN900> Need a hotel for Sunday night.
Nov 24 22:32:34 <lcuk> im gonna be givin a run through of liqbase and explain what its capable of so we can see some upgrades and ideas spin off based on the calendar
Nov 24 22:32:43 <lcuk> oh cripes GAN900
Nov 24 22:32:44 <GAN900> Also need to see where everything in the city is located.
Nov 24 22:32:52 <crashanddie_> "A man in Taiwan was robbed of more than $2 million in cash that he had just withdrawn from the bank, a police official said on Tuesday."
Nov 24 22:32:53 <lcuk> confirm in blood before you fly
Nov 24 22:33:16 <javispedro> ah well, you have ovi maps don't you? >:)
Nov 24 22:33:17 <hotaru2k3> crashanddie_: technically, it is moving
Nov 24 22:33:19 <lcuk> crashanddie_, you still got any left?
Nov 24 22:33:19 <crashanddie_> He just withdrew $2M?
Nov 24 22:33:24 <GAN900> crashanddie_, he so deserves it.
Nov 24 22:33:25 <julianoliver> GAN900: have to act early - sort out accommodation in BCN now.
Nov 24 22:33:38 <lcuk> NOW
Nov 24 22:33:43 <javispedro> OR ELSE.
Nov 24 22:33:54 <lcuk> you sleep on javispedro's couch
Nov 24 22:33:56 <crashanddie_> As in what, "Hi there, I'd like to make a withdrawal" "Ah, Mr Chenoi, your weekly $2M?" "Yes indeed Julia"
Nov 24 22:33:56 <GAN900> I sleep in the airport. ;)
Nov 24 22:34:03 <julianoliver> GAN900: if desperate can look into the 'pensions'. sometimes dodgy but generally cheap if hotels are booked out.
Nov 24 22:34:28 <greenfly> anyone know of a way to send libevent-style notifications via the command line? the standard Linux apps for it don't seem to be ported yet
Nov 24 22:34:30 <javispedro> hotels booked out?
Nov 24 22:34:31 <greenfly> maybe dbus?
Nov 24 22:34:35 <lcuk> how do i bag a room at barca im covered
Nov 24 22:34:50 <lcuk> quim posted something about 16 rooms
Nov 24 22:35:01 <javispedro> yeah, in NH Cornellà which is at a few meters
Nov 24 22:35:04 <lcuk> do we need to do anything special or just turn up and play musical beds
Nov 24 22:35:14 <julianoliver> well it's a popular city for conferences and so on occassion you can find yourself either looking for accom at the lowest of the low end or the highest of the high end.
Nov 24 22:35:17 <GAN900> Christ, this is the 6th accident that's stopped traffic dead in the past 20 miles.
Nov 24 22:35:21 <crashanddie_> "A study from two Swiss human rights organizations, Trial and Pro Juventute, has found that some video games depict war and battle actions that in real life would violate international human rights laws." <-- THAT'S WHY IT'S A GAME
Nov 24 22:35:33 <GAN900> 20 mph average here.
Nov 24 22:35:39 <crashanddie_> GAN900, stop using your N900 while driving, you'll cause less accidents
Nov 24 22:35:43 <greenfly> crashanddie_: heh, I wonder if they are going to outlaw team killing
Nov 24 22:35:52 <GAN900> crashanddie_, not driving.
Nov 24 22:36:19 <IcanCU> fring ads skype videochat for s60 .. nice
Nov 24 22:36:24 <GAN900> crashanddie_, WHAT?
Nov 24 22:36:35 <javispedro> so I guess the hour of the "it sucks" threads has finally arrived.
Nov 24 22:36:38 <GAN900> Yeah, they let you nuke games in MW2.
Nov 24 22:36:48 * javispedro hopes everything to die early and nokia to go back to tablets ;)
Nov 24 22:36:58 * GAN900 got nuked the other night. :(
Nov 24 22:36:59 <lcuk> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000IZGIA8?ie=UTF8&tag=random-good-stuff-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B000IZGIA8
Nov 24 22:37:03 <crashanddie_> greenfly, "You are charged with the murder of bl0kbust3r during an Elite Co-op mission of Modern Warfare 2, what do you plead?"
Nov 24 22:37:05 <lcuk> GAN900, did oyu get one of these?
Nov 24 22:37:15 <lcuk> crashanddie_, read that link
Nov 24 22:37:24 <lcuk> and mostly the customer reviews
Nov 24 22:37:25 <krfkeith> where do I get the python package?
Nov 24 22:37:28 <Stskeeps> javispedro: the key is to say "if you want to throw out your window, let us know where you live so we can grab a free N900"..
Nov 24 22:37:31 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 24 22:37:34 <crashanddie_> lcuk, old
Nov 24 22:37:44 <crashanddie_> lcuk, saw that on slashdot, plus a quote of the comment some time ago
Nov 24 22:37:48 <lcuk> so
Nov 24 22:37:51 <lcuk> :D
Nov 24 22:38:00 <lcuk> its worth laughin again
Nov 24 22:38:11 <javispedro> Stskeeps: "but remember to add receipt, invoice,... whatever is needed for warranty stuff".
Nov 24 22:38:11 <crashanddie_> there's one on TDW that made me laugh hard earlier today, lemme find it
Nov 24 22:39:02 <crashanddie_> lcuk, http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200907/errord/wtf_domain_queen.jpg
Nov 24 22:39:22 <javispedro> haha
Nov 24 22:39:25 <lcuk> :D
Nov 24 22:39:28 <lcuk> cool
Nov 24 22:39:32 * javispedro is big fan of tdwtf
Nov 24 22:39:34 <lcuk> i havent ready dailywtf in ages
Nov 24 22:39:48 <julianoliver> hmm.. N900/Maemo get's a pretty incredible review on the German Engadget: http://www.gizmodo.de/2009/11/23/test-nokia-n900-darauf-hat-die-welt-gewartet.html
Nov 24 22:39:49 <jaem> me neither
Nov 24 22:39:50 <crashanddie_> I mean, I understand you want your website to be user friendly
Nov 24 22:39:57 <crashanddie_> but seriously, catering for every single person on the planet?
Nov 24 22:40:02 <julianoliver> s/Engadget/Gizmodo
Nov 24 22:40:12 <crashanddie_> gets
Nov 24 22:40:28 <javispedro> crashanddie_: what if for whatever reason I'm a King?
Nov 24 22:40:29 <lcuk> hey timeless
Nov 24 22:40:38 <crashanddie_> javispedro, then it means you're useless
Nov 24 22:40:51 <javispedro> even better
Nov 24 22:40:56 <javispedro> more reason to register useless domains
Nov 24 22:40:59 <crashanddie_> javispedro, name a kind alive today who has any power? There aren't any, so you're not even legally allowed to write your name down
Nov 24 22:41:22 <Arkenoi> is there an office application for maemo?
Nov 24 22:41:37 <crashanddie_> Arkenoi, At the moment there are document readers
Nov 24 22:41:57 <crashanddie_> Arkenoi, however no full blown office app as of yet, not compatible with MS Office, if that's your question
Nov 24 22:42:03 <GAN900> This is worse than California traffic.
Nov 24 22:42:10 <kynky> Arkenoi, there is google apps, if a webapp for editing word files is ok for you
Nov 24 22:42:11 <crashanddie_> GAN900, california traffic is OK
Nov 24 22:42:12 <Arkenoi> no editors? does google documents work ok with browser?
Nov 24 22:42:24 <Arkenoi> well, not quite ok but better than nothing
Nov 24 22:42:30 <hotaru2k3> there's
Nov 24 22:42:33 <GAN900> crashanddie_, not to a Florida driver.
Nov 24 22:42:48 <lcuk> whos driving you
Nov 24 22:42:54 <GAN900> Traffic delays are a very rare thing for me.
Nov 24 22:42:54 <lcuk> or on bus?
Nov 24 22:42:54 <crashanddie_> lcuk, the bus
Nov 24 22:43:10 <crashanddie_> GAN900, do you have a driving license?
Nov 24 22:43:11 <qwerty12_N900> GAN900: Out of all the things wrong with Florida, you choose to complain about the traffic?
Nov 24 22:43:22 <GAN900> My roommate.
Nov 24 22:43:41 <GAN900> crashanddie_, since I was 16
Nov 24 22:43:45 <crashanddie_> GAN900, no car?
Nov 24 22:43:52 <GAN900> Oh
Nov 24 22:43:54 <GAN900> Uh
Nov 24 22:43:57 <kynky> the women in florida dont wear enough clothing :)
Nov 24 22:43:57 <GAN900> 5 hour drive
Nov 24 22:44:01 <GAN900> my car
Nov 24 22:44:02 <crashanddie_> qwerty12_N900, you live in east london, you're not allowed to complain about other parts of the world
Nov 24 22:44:11 <crashanddie_> qwerty12_N900, not until you've chosen to live somewhere
Nov 24 22:44:15 <GAN900> My roommate and I split the driving time.
Nov 24 22:44:44 <crashanddie_> kynky, your nickname sounds strangely weird with that statement
Nov 24 22:44:46 <lcuk> i hope to godyou didnt high 5 as you started your roadtrip
Nov 24 22:44:55 <kynky> crashanddie_, lol
Nov 24 22:45:02 <Arkenoi> is there a torch application that uses camera flash?
Nov 24 22:45:13 <crashanddie_> lcuk, no, he used a cheesy line, put on his glasses and walked off-camera
Nov 24 22:45:20 <crashanddie_> YEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH
Nov 24 22:45:24 <GAN900> Arkenoi, no, but dbus should be easy enough.
Nov 24 22:45:33 <lcuk> Arkenoi, :'( not yet tho one has been seen.   liqtorch will include it in v2
Nov 24 22:45:49 <crashanddie_> I would love to hear a frenchman ask "I can not find the location of dbus"
Nov 24 22:46:16 <lcuk> "dbus" is common language up north
Nov 24 22:46:17 <julianoliver> ok, that won a smile.
Nov 24 22:46:25 <lcuk> "im goin catchin dbus"
Nov 24 22:46:40 <crashanddie_> lcuk, that's just because "the" isn't part of the dictionary in those parts of the world
Nov 24 22:46:49 <lcuk> :D
Nov 24 22:47:13 <GAN900> Hrm, if you used a desktop widget to switch the flash on and off with a switch, could you catch the dbus signal to Camera and keep it from launching?
Nov 24 22:47:52 <lbt> no - dbus is broadcast in that sense
Nov 24 22:48:15 <julianoliver> interestingly it's <http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free Sources> that fails with the "401 Unauthorized [IP: ..]"
Nov 24 22:48:24 <javispedro> but it is really a signal? the camera app is down by then
Nov 24 22:48:54 <lcuk> javispedro, e means because you need to open the cover to see the flash
Nov 24 22:49:07 <lcuk> and that starts the camera app
Nov 24 22:49:29 <lcuk> the camera app should simply have a flashbulb button
Nov 24 22:49:38 <lcuk> to turn it on
Nov 24 22:49:44 <lcuk> sometimes when im trying to do macro photos at night i would like the light on
Nov 24 22:49:59 <lcuk> instead of hjust a brief pulse as i half press button
Nov 24 22:50:00 <qwerty12_N900> To help locate your tiny knob?
Nov 24 22:50:09 <julianoliver> does anyone else have other than "hosts: files dns" in /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf ?
Nov 24 22:50:13 <lcuk> that way torch app is intrinsic to camera
Nov 24 22:50:13 <lcuk> yes qwerty
Nov 24 22:51:02 <julianoliver>  .. i mean to ask "files dns" for the "hosts" line in /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf
Nov 24 22:51:11 <lcuk> GAN900, that ^ will work for the camera
Nov 24 22:51:22 <lcuk> nice and simple and gives a way to do always on flash/torch utility
Nov 24 22:51:30 <crashanddie_> I'm going to start a new website
Nov 24 22:51:33 <crashanddie_> registering the domain now
Nov 24 22:51:35 <lcuk> whilst not breaking camera app or needing to curse or block
Nov 24 22:51:39 <javispedro> maemohaters.com ?
Nov 24 22:51:40 <crashanddie_> sitonmyfacebook
Nov 24 22:52:02 <toggles_w> crashanddie_: lol too late..
Nov 24 22:52:06 <timeless_mbp> hi lcuk
Nov 24 22:52:11 <crashanddie_> shit
Nov 24 22:52:12 <crashanddie_> indeed
Nov 24 22:52:20 <crashanddie_> sitonmyfacebook.com Estimated Worth $489.1 USD
Nov 24 22:52:30 <julianoliver> "myface.com", like facebook, but just you.
Nov 24 22:52:53 <crashanddie_> qwerty12_N900, lcuk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDwjw6U2FIs
Nov 24 22:53:16 <crashanddie_> just the few 5 seconds is enough
Nov 24 22:55:33 <crashanddie_> and at 2:40
Nov 24 22:55:44 <crashanddie_> "the word the"
Nov 24 22:56:18 <wazd_> ok, now alcohol can suspend all my hate :)
Nov 24 22:56:41 <wazd_> or surpress
Nov 24 22:56:45 <wazd_> whatever :D
Nov 24 22:57:27 <wazd_> suppress*
Nov 24 22:59:18 <julianoliver> wazd_: while simultaneously suspending your ability to spell. perfectly normal ;)
Nov 24 22:59:21 <GAN900> lol
Nov 24 23:00:43 <lcuk> wow qwerty12_N900 http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/11/24/2025212/UK-File-Sharing-Laws-Unenforceable-On-Mobile-Networks?art_pos=3
Nov 24 23:00:47 <lcuk> who woulda known
Nov 24 23:02:21 <SpeedEvil> Umm bullshit.
Nov 24 23:03:23 <SpeedEvil> Ah - 'we don't want to spend the money to enforce' - slightly different thing.
Nov 24 23:03:55 <SpeedEvil> Also the fun thing is that the spy comminunity hates this.
Nov 24 23:04:19 <SpeedEvil> As of course a non-negligable fraction of people will decide they'd rather VPN to russia, and do their sharing there.
Nov 24 23:07:41 <w00t_> as a matter of course thanks to things like the IWF and other rather scary trends rumbling around in the news, all my traffic goes via ssh port forwarding, and has done now for quite some time
Nov 24 23:07:45 <w00t_> </tinfoilhat>
Nov 24 23:07:55 <julianoliver> SpeedEvil: realistically though it is pretty tricky.. surely all you can do is log MAC addresses on the router and try and later pair those up with OS and browser fingerprints on another surveilled network, later. even if the infringer's domestic ISP is in on it, it's a hard case to push..
Nov 24 23:08:12 <SpeedEvil> julianoliver: 3G
Nov 24 23:08:19 <SpeedEvil> julianoliver: that was - largely - addressing
Nov 24 23:08:26 <SpeedEvil> julianoliver: well - and GPRS
Nov 24 23:08:41 <SpeedEvil> julianoliver: though I think anyone ripping movies over GPRS deserves them free!
Nov 24 23:08:42 <julianoliver> right.. still waiting for the article to load. poor bandwidth.
Nov 24 23:08:47 <julianoliver> hehe indeed!
Nov 24 23:12:28 <julianoliver> w00t_: have you got a link on this 'IWF'?
Nov 24 23:12:48 <SpeedEvil> IWF - the Internet Watch Foundation.
Nov 24 23:13:04 <SpeedEvil> Set up to deal with child porn, and of course, its remit has grown.
Nov 24 23:13:32 <lcuk> whats the closest thing to the visual basic form editor for linux?
Nov 24 23:13:41 <julianoliver> SpeedEvil: right
Nov 24 23:14:42 <w00t_> yup
Nov 24 23:14:55 <krfkeith> anyone else have problems with their N900 not turning on?
Nov 24 23:15:04 <w00t_> things like wikipedia, rapidshare, and other rather huge things going through the IWF made me feel rather uncomfortable about all that
Nov 24 23:15:22 <krfkeith> my shows the nokia logo, then the backlight goes off, and then it goes off
Nov 24 23:15:47 <krfkeith> so I pugged it into to charge, and it turns on without the backlight, then shuts off every minute or so
Nov 24 23:15:57 <krfkeith> it does hav*pugged
Nov 24 23:16:00 <mikhas> krfkeith, try removing the battery?
Nov 24 23:16:05 <krfkeith> yeah
Nov 24 23:16:12 <krfkeith> still has the same problem
Nov 24 23:16:13 <mikhas> I only had those problems after reflashing
Nov 24 23:16:20 <krfkeith> but I'll try it again
Nov 24 23:16:34 <mikhas> perhaps leave battery outside for a bit
Nov 24 23:16:36 <wazd_> iiiinside my heart is breaking, my makup maybe flaking but my smile still stays on
Nov 24 23:16:44 <mikhas> or perhaps the battery really is empty
Nov 24 23:17:43 <krfkeith> well, does it need to charge a little before it can turn on?
Nov 24 23:17:51 <Stskeeps> krfkeith: yex
Nov 24 23:17:56 <Stskeeps> bbl
Nov 24 23:18:19 <krfkeith> Stskeeps: thanks
Nov 24 23:18:50 <krfkeith> so is that turn off and on thing the normal cycle for charging?
Nov 24 23:19:39 <kalikianatoli> what do you mean with turn off and on?
Nov 24 23:20:03 <kalikianatoli> it does turn on, and stays on as far as I realize
Nov 24 23:20:03 <krfkeith> well, it will show the nokia logo without the backlight and buzz
Nov 24 23:20:14 <mikhas> it takes a while
Nov 24 23:20:26 <krfkeith> and then the screen goes balck for a few seconds and it shuts off
Nov 24 23:20:33 <kalikianatoli> krfkeith, if you turn it on on low power, of course it will fail to boot :)
Nov 24 23:20:42 <mikhas> give it 15-30 minutes, I never really checked how long it really takes before I can power it up once it was really flat
Nov 24 23:20:45 <kalikianatoli> that's a natural problem
Nov 24 23:20:48 <krfkeith> kalikianatoli: its plugged in
Nov 24 23:21:09 <kalikianatoli> krfkeith, Still it will try to use battery, for whatever reason
Nov 24 23:21:15 <lcuk> n900 is always plugged in
Nov 24 23:21:24 <lcuk> its like the technoviking of mobile phones
Nov 24 23:21:46 <javispedro> because it has 3 minutes of battery life?
Nov 24 23:22:04 <krfkeith> kalikianatoli: well, what happens is whenever I plug in the USB cable it automatically goes into this cycle
Nov 24 23:22:40 <kalikianatoli> ^^ that sounds odd then. if it's normally charged it should just make a "zoom" sound and charge
Nov 24 23:22:49 <lcuk> try power from power socket
Nov 24 23:22:55 <Arkenoi> what's microUSB advantage over miniUSB? from my POV micro sucks
Nov 24 23:23:06 <kalikianatoli> Arkenoi, tinyness
Nov 24 23:23:19 <Arkenoi> it is almost the same size, does not really matter
Nov 24 23:23:33 <mikhas> more diversity, more connectors, more profit =)
Nov 24 23:23:45 <mikhas> USB was too universal when it came out
Nov 24 23:23:49 <krfkeith> lcuk, for some reason they didn't send me an american charger
Nov 24 23:24:05 <krfkeith> which sucks
Nov 24 23:24:17 <kalikianatoli> Arkenoi, for all I know it may have allowed the device to be 1mm thinner :)
Nov 24 23:24:30 <kalikianatoli> other than that I agree
Nov 24 23:24:53 <Arkenoi> oh really? n900 is about the same thickness e90 is
Nov 24 23:24:57 <Arkenoi> not thin at all
Nov 24 23:25:02 <Pavlov> it is pretty thick
Nov 24 23:25:15 <iDialekt> Feels way better than the e90 hands down
Nov 24 23:25:22 <iDialekt> Compact, smooth.
Nov 24 23:25:33 <Arkenoi> the keyboard is far superior on e90
Nov 24 23:25:34 <kalikianatoli> it's thin for a phone with a keyboard imho
Nov 24 23:25:59 <Arkenoi> i'd prefer n900 to be clamshell also
Nov 24 23:26:34 <kalikianatoli> you seriously want the keyboard at the side of the display?
Nov 24 23:26:34 <Arkenoi> the only design that allows the keyboard to be the same size the screen is
Nov 24 23:26:35 <crashanddie_> well
Nov 24 23:26:36 <crashanddie_> it's not
Nov 24 23:26:39 <crashanddie_> so... tough?
Nov 24 23:26:39 <krfkeith> I'd kinda like to get an e90
Nov 24 23:26:49 <krfkeith> honestly, I kind of like the thickness
Nov 24 23:26:58 <CyZooNiC> I'm selling mine as soon as I get the N900
Nov 24 23:27:06 <krfkeith> I don't want something that breaks in half when you at it crossed eyed
Nov 24 23:27:25 * Arkenoi thinks i am going to sell e90 as well, but i will surely miss its keyboard ;-)
Nov 24 23:27:41 <krfkeith> how much do e90's go for these days?
Nov 24 23:27:54 <CyZooNiC> I love my E90 but it's time to move on.
Nov 24 23:27:58 <mikhas> all I can say is that the n900 couldnt have been any smaller for my hands
Nov 24 23:28:10 <CyZooNiC> I think around $200 on ebay, used
Nov 24 23:28:17 <mikhas> I cant imagine using the keyboard on a thinner device
Nov 24 23:28:27 <Arkenoi> i guess $300 is what i'd like and $200 is more like what i gonna get ;-)
Nov 24 23:28:39 <CyZooNiC> :)
Nov 24 23:29:48 <krfkeith> ah good to know
Nov 24 23:30:12 <krfkeith> well I wonder what the heck is wrong with my N900
Nov 24 23:30:35 <krfkeith> I wonder if the USB isn't really charging it, and it jsut thinks it is, thus it turning off and on
Nov 24 23:30:37 <mikhas> you try to charge it with a normal USB cable
Nov 24 23:30:44 <mikhas> that's most likely the problem
Nov 24 23:30:53 <krfkeith> oh, you need a special one?
Nov 24 23:30:59 <mikhas> no
Nov 24 23:31:05 <mikhas> usually it *works*
Nov 24 23:31:11 <CyZooNiC> Are you using a laptop?
Nov 24 23:31:13 <mikhas> but it depends also on the other end, rihgt?
Nov 24 23:31:25 <javispedro> ha ha ha ha ha hah
Nov 24 23:31:26 <javispedro> hahaha
Nov 24 23:31:27 <javispedro> ha
Nov 24 23:31:34 <krfkeith> yeah, I'm on a laptop
Nov 24 23:31:35 <javispedro> someone just said the Palm LifeDrive could do torrents
Nov 24 23:31:44 <crashanddie_> krfkeith, use the power outlet cable
Nov 24 23:31:46 <javispedro> for god's sake, the tcp stack had an accept bufer size of 1.
Nov 24 23:32:00 <javispedro> just opening the port would have reduced your handheld to ash
Nov 24 23:32:01 <krfkeith> crashanddie_: unfortunately I was accidently sent a UK outlet cable
Nov 24 23:32:07 <crashanddie_> krfkeith, USB is a lot less powerful
Nov 24 23:32:20 <crashanddie_> krfkeith, so basically, USB isn't providing enough power to boot the n900
Nov 24 23:32:24 <CyZooNiC> Some laptops do not provide enoght power via their USB ports
Nov 24 23:32:30 <krfkeith> ah
Nov 24 23:32:40 <crashanddie_> krfkeith, you can leave it charging, but you're gonna burn out your battery
Nov 24 23:32:45 <krfkeith> do you guys think a desktop might make a difference?
Nov 24 23:32:51 <ShadowJK> burn out the battery?
Nov 24 23:32:52 <crashanddie_> krfkeith, not really
Nov 24 23:32:56 <krfkeith> ok
Nov 24 23:33:02 <crashanddie_> yeah, charging/uncharging too fast
Nov 24 23:33:06 <ShadowJK> eh?
Nov 24 23:33:09 <crashanddie_> I already killed a n900 battery like that
Nov 24 23:33:23 <ShadowJK> good thing it has 6month warranty then I guess
Nov 24 23:33:25 <krfkeith> shoot, did I kill mine?
Nov 24 23:33:42 <krfkeith> I had it doing that for ~10min
Nov 24 23:33:44 <crashanddie_> n900 was completely empty, put it on the laptop, left it 2 days connected or so, got charged, but now it holds its charge for 6 hours
Nov 24 23:34:05 * ShadowJK suspects the completely empty part has more to do with it
Nov 24 23:35:30 <krfkeith> wait
Nov 24 23:35:55 <krfkeith> could I use the USB cable with one of those generic usb outlet chargers?
Nov 24 23:35:57 <crashanddie_> krfkeith, just get a blackberry charger or something
Nov 24 23:36:05 <crashanddie_> yeah, if it's microusb
Nov 24 23:36:47 <wazd_> N900 shipping delayed (4,159) - oh my
Nov 24 23:36:48 <krfkeith> crashanddie_: no I mean one of the ones where you just plug in the usb A into it instead of a computer
Nov 24 23:37:29 <crashanddie_> krfkeith, i use a blackberry charger at work, nokia at home, nokia travel when I travel (mini nokia connector + adapter to microusb provided with the N900)
Nov 24 23:37:29 <crashanddie_> anything works really
Nov 24 23:37:52 <crashanddie_> krfkeith, you can even use an N810 charger with that adapter
Nov 24 23:38:53 <Arkenoi> does n900 still have usb host? i need a special cable to use it, right?
Nov 24 23:39:04 <crashanddie_> USB host is not supported ATM
Nov 24 23:39:50 <SpeedEvil> USB host may or may not work.
Nov 24 23:39:57 <SpeedEvil> Nobodies actually done the tests.
Nov 24 23:40:33 <SpeedEvil> As I understand it. The proclamations that it's not supported so far seem to indicate that it's at least partially broken, but don't say that it won't work with external power.
Nov 24 23:40:50 <SpeedEvil> I'll have an answer this week with luck - unless anyone else does.
Nov 24 23:42:32 <javispedro> I'm pretty certain people have tried.
Nov 24 23:42:41 <javispedro> iirc it's also a software issue.
Nov 24 23:42:47 <krfkeith> SpeedEvil: great!
Nov 24 23:43:17 <krfkeith> so theoretically it *might* work with external power and software patching?
Nov 24 23:43:37 <krfkeith> the question is how we supply the extra power
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Nov 24 23:44:17 <crashanddie_> woops
Nov 24 23:44:45 <krfkeith> I wonder if the headphone port could be used, atleast to power simple flashdrives
Nov 24 23:46:11 <crashanddie_> eh?
Nov 24 23:46:17 <crashanddie_> Are you on crystal meth?
Nov 24 23:46:38 <krfkeith> I guess not :-(
Nov 24 23:46:53 <krfkeith> do flashdrives use a lot of power?
Nov 24 23:47:16 <crashanddie_> more like, does the jack provide a lot of power?
Nov 24 23:47:24 <crashanddie_> I mean, it's a signal port, not power
Nov 24 23:47:25 <krfkeith> I suppose not
Nov 24 23:47:40 <crashanddie_> Have you ever heard your momma say "Don't put your fingers in the audio jack?"
Nov 24 23:47:45 <krfkeith> I'm not well versed in that sort of thing
Nov 24 23:48:07 <krfkeith> I don't think I could fit my finger into an audio jack ;-)
Nov 24 23:48:33 <crashanddie_> Well, try to look at it this way: The audio jack provides just enough power to move those tiny inny bitty speakers in the earbuds
Nov 24 23:48:43 <krfkeith> yeah I know that
Nov 24 23:48:50 <crashanddie_> which is the tiniest of membranes mounted on a very small magnet
Nov 24 23:48:51 <krfkeith> I just wasn't sure how much power that takes
Nov 24 23:49:12 <crashanddie_> we're talking milliwatts here at loudest I think
Nov 24 23:49:21 <krfkeith> ok
Nov 24 23:49:26 <toggles_w> what about a solar panel infront of liqtorch?
Nov 24 23:50:00 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: I've seen no reports saying 'I connected a USB device, applied power to it, and frobbed /proc - and it diddn't work'
Nov 24 23:50:01 <CoreFusion-> lol
Nov 24 23:50:40 <SpeedEvil> You can probably get at least 60mW from the headphone jack.
Nov 24 23:50:54 <SpeedEvil> But it's going to be somewhat annoying to extract it.
Nov 24 23:51:35 <crashanddie_> krfkeith, these professional headphones (http://smarthomesolution.net/buy-Sell/AKG-K141M.jpg) use 80mW
Nov 24 23:51:58 <krfkeith> ok
Nov 24 23:52:02 <Arkenoi> and there is video out as well
Nov 24 23:52:14 <crashanddie_> which has no power output at all
Nov 24 23:52:18 <SpeedEvil> The video out won't supply meaningful power.
Nov 24 23:52:29 <SpeedEvil> a half a milliwatt or so
Nov 24 23:53:08 <crashanddie_> So I think the audio jack power outlet -- even though a pretty good idea -- is dead
Nov 24 23:53:22 <crashanddie_> also, it would mean outputting a very specific sound or image the whole time to keep the power steady
Nov 24 23:53:46 <Arkenoi> n900 takes looong to charge, e90 did much faster. though i am charging it via old charger and connector, maybe that does matter?
Nov 24 23:54:08 <crashanddie_> n900 charges in a about 2 hours for me, I think
Nov 24 23:54:49 <Arkenoi> ah, so it really *does* matter as it already charges 3
Nov 24 23:54:54 <Arkenoi> switched to original one
Nov 24 23:55:02 <CoreFusion-> sure it does...
Nov 24 23:56:42 <krfkeith> I thought I saw somewhere that the power  output of a standard USB 2.0 port is ~100mA
Nov 24 23:56:47 <krfkeith> is that correct?
Nov 24 23:57:49 <SpeedEvil> krfkeith: no
Nov 24 23:57:56 <CoreFusion-> yes it it
Nov 24 23:57:58 <SpeedEvil> krfkeith: It's somewhat complex. Basically
Nov 24 23:57:59 <CoreFusion-> is*
Nov 24 23:58:03 <till-> 500mA is the specifiaction afaik
Nov 24 23:58:08 <till-> and there is a low power mode as well
Nov 24 23:58:20 <krfkeith> ah, I meant low-power
Nov 24 23:58:21 <krfkeith> sorry
Nov 24 23:58:42 <SpeedEvil> krfkeith: The device should ask for no more than 100mA before negotiation. It can negotiate for up to 500mA - but the host may not grant this if it determines it can't supply it.
Nov 24 23:59:12 <krfkeith> SpeedEvil:got it
Nov 24 23:59:43 <krfkeith> so I'm assuming a bog standard flashdrive should be able to run on low power-mode?
Nov 24 23:59:46 <CoreFusion-> 150mA and 900mA in USB 3
Nov 24 23:59:58 <SpeedEvil> The device can say that it can use 100mA or 300mA - for example a camera may be able to browse the FS with 100mA, but take pictures with 300mA
Nov 25 00:00:02 <SpeedEvil> krfkeith: often
Nov 25 00:00:36 <till-> i'm able to use a flashdrive with my n800 on hostmode, which provides about 100mA afaik
Nov 25 00:00:40 <krfkeith> what about something like a keyboard or a gampad?
Nov 25 00:00:47 <krfkeith> *gamepad
Nov 25 00:01:09 <till-> usb-keyboard as well
Nov 25 00:03:10 <krfkeith> I suppose we could use some sort of button-cell battery
Nov 25 00:03:35 <krfkeith> probably the easiest/cheapest method
Nov 25 00:05:54 <Arkenoi> there is still no google latitude support, i guess? i use it much
Nov 25 00:14:20 <Arkenoi> google documents on the web work surprisingly good, i guess i can live without local office editor.
Nov 25 00:15:30 * SpeedEvil ponders openoffice.
Nov 25 00:15:41 * kalikianatoli likes abiword.
Nov 25 00:16:12 <Arkenoi> is oo going to be ported soon?
Nov 25 00:16:23 <kalikianatoli> Arkenoi, you can try it with easydebian
Nov 25 00:17:10 <Arkenoi> maybe i will try. though on 256Mb RAM desktop computer it could be quite a nightmare
Nov 25 00:19:46 <kalikianatoli> if it works on the n800 it will surely work on your desktop computer as well
Nov 25 00:21:30 <Arkenoi> i mean ooo is quite slow on the low-end desktops, so it should be about as painful with easydebian
Nov 25 00:22:27 <javispedro> oo.org is slow on medium-end workstations.
Nov 25 00:38:37 <kynky> my n900 is currently in brussels
Nov 25 00:43:23 <w00t_> mine is currently sitting in some warehouse because my order got cancelled *minirage*
Nov 25 00:43:50 <climb5462> waaaaazzzzzzzuuuuuuupppppppp
Nov 25 00:44:27 <toggles_w> chickens arse when it's eating...
Nov 25 00:44:28 <shiznebit_> does the skype use the front mounted camera, or the rear mounted camera ?
Nov 25 00:44:29 <kynky> w00t_, how many you order ?
Nov 25 00:44:48 <kynky> it would use front mounted for a number of reasons
Nov 25 00:44:58 <shiznebit_> k, but does it ?
Nov 25 00:44:59 <climb5462> Skype can't do video calls yet shiz, as far as i know
Nov 25 00:45:08 <shiznebit_> thankyou climb5462
Nov 25 00:50:22 * ShadowJK didn't get a tracking code for his n900 :-(
Nov 25 00:51:32 <w00t_> ShadowJK: join me, brother :-)
Nov 25 00:52:29 <kynky> got tracking info when going from nokia uk shop to order history to tracking info to ups website , the tracking info from email didnt work
Nov 25 00:52:58 <SpeedEvil> kynky: when did you order?
Nov 25 00:53:02 <hotaru2k3> can the n900 do bluetooth DUN?
Nov 25 00:53:14 <kynky> 20th october, standard delivery
Nov 25 00:53:25 <ShadowJK> I wasn't able to register a username so I can't log in :-)
Nov 25 00:53:52 <SpeedEvil> kynky: 20th oct also - standard delivery - but I've only had 'we're processing your order' - no tracking number
Nov 25 00:54:38 * w00t_ mutters about banks and nokia
Nov 25 00:54:57 <kynky> i ordered about 3.30 am , my friend ordered 8am on 20th std delivery, he got processing email, but nothing else so far
Nov 25 00:55:17 <SpeedEvil> I think I ordered around midday
Nov 25 00:55:23 <kynky> he hopes payment goes through, he wants his discounts
Nov 25 00:55:45 <SpeedEvil> payment gone through for me
Nov 25 00:56:10 <w00t_> I thought mine went through, until I recieved a cancellation email at 8:35am this morning, and a phone call from my bank at 10:30am asking if I wanted to authorise payment.
Nov 25 00:56:17 <w00t_> way to give me time to authorise it!
Nov 25 00:56:19 <w00t_> :P
Nov 25 00:57:24 <kynky> you use all 3 discount codes ?
Nov 25 00:57:46 <w00t_> no
Nov 25 00:58:02 <SpeedEvil> kynky: yes - bought a battery too
Nov 25 00:58:17 * kynky wishes he got battery too
Nov 25 00:58:44 <SpeedEvil> kynky: I dunno if that's important though. debit card - maybe that doesn't have as much authoriastion needed.
Nov 25 00:58:59 <kynky> i used debit too
Nov 25 00:59:37 <kynky> looks like ppl with cancelled orders cant reapply the discounts
Nov 25 00:59:56 <luke-jr> lo
Nov 25 00:59:58 <luke-jr> l
Nov 25 00:59:58 <w00t_> yup
Nov 25 01:01:31 <SpeedEvil> There is a 15% discound through topcashback still
Nov 25 01:01:35 <SpeedEvil> err - 12 I think
Nov 25 01:01:56 <kynky> yeah
Nov 25 01:02:29 <kynky> but 3 x 15% + 10% topcashback was mega sweet
Nov 25 01:03:06 <SpeedEvil> indeed
Nov 25 01:03:29 <SpeedEvil> I basically took the view that I could barely afford that.
Nov 25 01:03:39 <SpeedEvil> So not going for all 3 was foolish.
Nov 25 01:04:08 <SpeedEvil> And to partially pay for it - diet. Which is working well too. -6Kg.
Nov 25 01:04:11 <toggles_w> what are people doing for bluetooth headsets?
Nov 25 01:05:15 <w00t_> yeah, I'm quite annoyed that I'm now being put out by a considerable amount of £
Nov 25 01:05:36 <w00t_> after all the hassle already I really was tempted to just not bother
Nov 25 01:05:48 * ShadowJK hasn't found any bluetooth receiver yet
Nov 25 01:06:06 <kynky> i got a free bt headset via vodafone i havent used , so might use that
Nov 25 01:06:10 <ShadowJK> I'd like one that I can use whatever headphones I want with, and one that has play/pause/next/prev controls, and batterylife of 10 hours
Nov 25 01:06:46 <toggles_w> yeah, I guess i mean headphones + mic
Nov 25 01:07:01 <toggles_w> i like the new nokia one, but $200 seems like a hell of a lot for headphones
Nov 25 01:07:43 <w00t_> (very) good headphones have a high price
Nov 25 01:08:21 <toggles_w> i suppose, their promo says they have 10 mics in them which is pretty wild
Nov 25 01:08:31 <pupnik_> avoid Ultimate Ears
Nov 25 01:08:35 <lcuk> w00t_, :D hiya
Nov 25 01:08:37 <pupnik_> things corrode like crazy
Nov 25 01:08:48 <w00t_> lcuk: evening
Nov 25 01:08:55 <ShadowJK> the wires die on everything I have
Nov 25 01:09:00 * w00t_ bought a new pair of sennheisers and broke them in one day
Nov 25 01:09:03 <w00t_> that was annoying
Nov 25 01:09:06 <ShadowJK> and the plastic hardens to the point it's like a rock
Nov 25 01:09:26 <lcuk> my car likes the taste of gel headphone cables
Nov 25 01:09:28 <pupnik_> i think the N900 headphones are very comfortable, stay in ear, and sound ok
Nov 25 01:09:28 <pupnik_> but why is one side shorter
Nov 25 01:09:30 <pupnik_> how do you wear that
Nov 25 01:09:56 * lcuk hasnt got any official headphones yet
Nov 25 01:10:09 <toggles_w> pupnik_: for the mic?
Nov 25 01:10:24 <ShadowJK> pupnik_, the bud with longer wire goes around behind your neck
Nov 25 01:10:39 <pupnik_> oh
Nov 25 01:10:40 <shiznebit_> HAHAHHAHA
Nov 25 01:10:42 <shiznebit_> HAHAHAHA
Nov 25 01:10:43 <pupnik_> ty :)
Nov 25 01:10:44 <shiznebit_> WOW
Nov 25 01:10:44 <ShadowJK> that would be my guess atleast.
Nov 25 01:11:16 <pupnik_> i like the ones that are symmetrical, loop behind ear to avoid movement noise
Nov 25 01:11:41 <ShadowJK> Yeah, I do the loop around ear
Nov 25 01:12:32 <pupnik_> wish governments would allow a slightly stronger fm xmitter
Nov 25 01:12:57 <kynky> i got some shure se-210 headphones
Nov 25 01:13:09 <ShadowJK> nice
Nov 25 01:13:36 <lcuk> is there a way to do open source as performance art
Nov 25 01:13:55 <toggles_w> kynky: calls?
Nov 25 01:13:57 <ShadowJK> lcuk, you mean like the guy describing DeCSS source code by singing?
Nov 25 01:14:12 <kynky> had some beyerdynamics dt250 before that
Nov 25 01:14:19 <lcuk> ShadowJK, im thinking like a live exhibit
Nov 25 01:15:13 <kynky> toggles_w, calls, well the 3.5mm jack, has 4 connections instead of 3, so can get adapter for microphone i guess
Nov 25 01:16:37 <lcuk> but yeah, singing the decss might be cool
Nov 25 01:17:24 <kynky> decss t-shirts are art
Nov 25 01:18:06 <lcuk> but not live performance art
Nov 25 01:18:18 <AakashPatel> yoo
Nov 25 01:18:26 <AakashPatel> what's up
Nov 25 01:30:37 * qole looks around a bit
Nov 25 01:31:52 * lcuk grabs his hunting rifle
Nov 25 01:32:14 * lcuk makes funky qole sound to lure him into the open
Nov 25 01:33:06 * qole uses his camoflauge coat to make himself harder to hit
Nov 25 01:33:33 <lcuk> heh gd evening
Nov 25 01:34:06 <qole> another day another homeward commute
Nov 25 01:34:17 <lcuk> how long does the bus take
Nov 25 01:34:27 <qole> 40 mins
Nov 25 01:34:36 <lcuk> ahh not that bad then
Nov 25 01:34:44 <qole> sometimes 50
Nov 25 01:34:50 <lcuk> i spotted something from you earlier and i cant remember what it was now
Nov 25 01:34:57 <lcuk> when you were talking to jeremiah
Nov 25 01:35:02 * lcuk will remember
Nov 25 01:36:05 <qole> easy-deb-chroot packages in free repos now?
Nov 25 01:36:06 <lcuk> ahhh yes
Nov 25 01:36:15 <lcuk> pushing git commits from device
Nov 25 01:36:21 <lcuk>  is this from within the chroot
Nov 25 01:36:24 <lcuk> or native live
Nov 25 01:36:27 <qole> and using git on-device?
Nov 25 01:36:37 <lcuk> i use git from device
Nov 25 01:36:38 <qole> chroot
Nov 25 01:36:40 <lcuk> but only to git: sources
Nov 25 01:36:50 <qole> but shared home directory
Nov 25 01:36:54 * lcuk nods
Nov 25 01:36:56 <lcuk> oh cool
Nov 25 01:37:31 <qole> so I build with py2deb natively, and upload to garage via chroot git
Nov 25 01:37:31 <lcuk> if i wanted to hare something that wasnt home folder i guess thats just configurable
Nov 25 01:38:05 <qole> sure just mount maemo folder in chroot
Nov 25 01:38:28 <lcuk> garage native git: support would be a beneficial improvement there
Nov 25 01:38:36 <lcuk> cos then theres not even a chroot
Nov 25 01:38:51 <lcuk> i store my code in /home/svn/.......
Nov 25 01:39:05 <lcuk> and it survives a flashing of main doofer
Nov 25 01:39:19 <lcuk> and is executable as well :)
Nov 25 01:40:16 <lcuk> supposing though i was gonna use a chroot for complete dpkg support
Nov 25 01:40:28 <lcuk> can i just have it completely transparent
Nov 25 01:40:36 <qole> I have to set it all back up, flashed last night.
Nov 25 01:40:58 <lcuk> yeah is most of your normal stuff back?
Nov 25 01:40:59 <qole> what does transparent mean here
Nov 25 01:41:09 <lcuk> well i run
Nov 25 01:41:16 <lcuk> > make
Nov 25 01:41:29 <lcuk> > make install
Nov 25 01:41:30 <lcuk> for instance
Nov 25 01:41:41 <lcuk> can i just have chroot setup to continue inline
Nov 25 01:41:50 <lcuk> > qole_dpkg
Nov 25 01:42:00 <qole> you could build in chroot, run in Maemo, just keep two terms open
Nov 25 01:42:20 <kynky> screen ftw
Nov 25 01:42:22 <lcuk> and have it take my current folderm open the chroot, run dpkg.. on it close chroot and return me to the console
Nov 25 01:42:28 <lcuk> messy
Nov 25 01:42:37 <qole> I have a development chroot on my website
Nov 25 01:42:57 <lcuk> qole, complete sdk for me is 2 apt-get lines
Nov 25 01:43:17 <lcuk> and from flash to working is <30 mins
Nov 25 01:43:48 * lcuk huggles build-essential
Nov 25 01:43:56 <qole> you keep sdk in your main rootfs?
Nov 25 01:44:15 <lcuk> yeah, just like regular linux
Nov 25 01:45:10 <lcuk> maemo is only "special" cos of busybox
Nov 25 01:45:10 <qole> regular linux has a bigger rootfs ;)
Nov 25 01:45:22 <lcuk> meh, thats just a minor detail
Nov 25 01:45:31 <lcuk> optify build-essential ;)
Nov 25 01:45:41 <lcuk> and i used to do the same on 810
Nov 25 01:46:06 <qole> clone your dev env to a partiton and then chroot to it
Nov 25 01:46:26 <qole> keep the main partiton clean
Nov 25 01:47:09 <qole> is mplayer optified yet? If not someone needs to do it.
Nov 25 01:48:24 <lcuk> qole, if i had booted from sd
Nov 25 01:48:31 <lcuk> with a nice big 4gb card
Nov 25 01:48:37 <lcuk> and made system work nicely
Nov 25 01:48:45 <lcuk> could i chroot into that from a stock system
Nov 25 01:49:23 <qole> has anyone noticed slow microSD I/O on N900?
Nov 25 01:49:37 <lcuk> not yet, i got a 4g card at weekend
Nov 25 01:49:37 <qole> lcuk, of course
Nov 25 01:49:43 <lcuk> but ive not put anything on it
Nov 25 01:49:45 <lcuk> i didnt want it as fat
Nov 25 01:50:16 <kynky> i got a 16gb card class 2 though, works fast on my htc tp, will try on n900 on thurs
Nov 25 01:54:20 <jaem> hrm
Nov 25 01:54:31 * jaem is working on a Qt app for Maemo
Nov 25 01:54:47 <jaem> I'm somewhat confused about how Qt 4.6 handles Fremantle menus, though
Nov 25 01:55:20 <jaem> submenus in Qt end up as "[TLM]/Name" buttons
Nov 25 01:55:31 <jaem> are they all supposed to be top-level for Maemo?
Nov 25 01:55:44 <b-man17> ~seen xnt14
Nov 25 01:55:47 <infobot> xnt14 <n=xnt14@pool-71-190-240-27.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 14d 14h 18m 18s ago, saying: 'awesome ;)'.
Nov 25 01:56:05 <b-man17> hm
Nov 25 01:56:13 <qole> I don't see any submenus anywhere.
Nov 25 01:56:15 <lcuk> b-man17, you and xnt had a tiff? ;)
Nov 25 01:56:23 <lcuk> i havent seen him for a while either ;)
Nov 25 01:56:37 <lcuk> and i dont really miss his ;) lol
Nov 25 01:56:50 <b-man17> lcuk, nah, i think he´s just busy with other things ;)
Nov 25 01:57:21 <jaem> qole, I meant that Qt s/submenus/menuitems/ show up on Maemo as "Menu/MenuItem", rather than just the MenuItem name
Nov 25 01:57:59 <lcuk> b-man17, cool ;)
Nov 25 01:57:59 * b-man17 pokes him on twitter
Nov 25 01:58:13 <lcuk> tell him i said ;)
Nov 25 01:58:33 <b-man17> lol, shure xD
Nov 25 02:00:20 <b-man17> hmm, it looks like he´s trying to mess around with twitter api´s again xD
Nov 25 02:02:01 <jaem> qole, any idea?
Nov 25 02:04:52 * b-man17 is soo happy to have a 5 day weekend
Nov 25 02:05:18 <jaem> oh right, it's Fake Thanksgiving this weekend
Nov 25 02:05:21 <jaem> lucky Americans ;)
Nov 25 02:05:26 <b-man17> xD ;)
Nov 25 02:05:49 <fernando_> wait really
Nov 25 02:05:50 <jaem> Pi Day is official down there too, now
Nov 25 02:05:53 <jaem> also lucky
Nov 25 02:06:03 <jaem> unfortunately, Pi Day is not a Stat :(
Nov 25 02:06:08 <fernando_> awesome, I don't have class tomorrow
Nov 25 02:06:21 <qole> jaem, no I just was saying there are no submenus in Maemo 5 anywhere.
Nov 25 02:06:28 <jaem> qole, yes - I used the wrong word
Nov 25 02:06:29 <pekuja> I'm too nerdy to celebrate Pi Day
Nov 25 02:06:31 <jaem> thanks anyway
Nov 25 02:06:33 <b-man17> fernando_: in collage?
Nov 25 02:06:59 <qole> I'm home now, going offline...
Nov 25 02:07:02 <jaem> cheers
Nov 25 02:07:03 <fernando_> yeah
Nov 25 02:07:57 <b-man17> highschool here
Nov 25 02:15:57 <Xisdibik> Pi day?
Nov 25 02:16:46 <fernando_> march 14
Nov 25 02:19:03 <Arkenoi> how do i quit fullscreen mode in fbreader on n900? there is no more "fullscreen" key used to control it, nor scroll keys are recognized
Nov 25 02:29:34 <paroneayea> Is there an equivalent to this:
Nov 25 02:29:36 <paroneayea> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture
Nov 25 02:29:39 <paroneayea> for applications?
Nov 25 02:29:51 <paroneayea> besides knowing what libraries are non-free, would be good to know about applications
Nov 25 02:32:22 <pupnik_> Arkenoi: try clicking corners, or report a bug
Nov 25 02:35:39 * microlith wonders if he will successfully restart his N900 order tomorrow, or if Nokia's system will continue to suck
Nov 25 02:54:03 <AakashPatel> microlith, how much you buy it for?
Nov 25 02:54:07 <AakashPatel> (or are going to)
Nov 25 02:54:19 <microlith> AakashPatel: well, if they don't screw me it'll go for $600 or so
Nov 25 02:54:28 <AakashPatel> are you in the US?
Nov 25 02:54:31 <microlith> which is $100 less than what the preorder was for
Nov 25 02:54:32 <microlith> yes
Nov 25 02:54:33 <AakashPatel> amazon has it for the cheaps
Nov 25 02:54:39 <AakashPatel> http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N900-Unlocked-Computer-Touchscreen/dp/B002OB49SW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1259104526&sr=8-1
Nov 25 02:54:43 <AakashPatel> 499
Nov 25 02:54:47 <microlith> right, and if Nokia can't get their order system to work
Nov 25 02:54:49 <microlith> I'll go with Amazo
Nov 25 02:54:52 <microlith> amazon*
Nov 25 02:55:10 <microlith> however, I don't think amazon is shipping yet and I would like it before late december
Nov 25 02:55:17 <acidjazz> my buy.com n900 still hasnt shipped :(
Nov 25 02:55:30 <acidjazz> they arent
Nov 25 02:55:31 <acidjazz> either is buy.com
Nov 25 02:55:32 <AakashPatel> microlith, oh is the Nokia one shipping?
Nov 25 02:55:37 <microlith> yes, apparently
Nov 25 02:55:38 <AakashPatel> erm nokia site
Nov 25 02:55:39 <AakashPatel> :0
Nov 25 02:55:39 <acidjazz> the only ppl shipping is nokia.com and theyre shipping preorders from months ago
Nov 25 02:55:44 <microlith> right
Nov 25 02:55:46 <acidjazz> you basically cant get one
Nov 25 02:55:50 <microlith> I placed my preorder on September 3rd
Nov 25 02:55:55 <acidjazz> has yours shipped
Nov 25 02:56:00 <microlith> and nokia screwed the whole thing up
Nov 25 02:56:03 <AakashPatel> :/
Nov 25 02:56:11 <microlith> they don't know how to handle fraud alerts apparently
Nov 25 02:56:23 <AakashPatel> I didn't want mine after half of december either
Nov 25 02:56:24 <microlith> and every subsequent attempt to reorder was rejected by their system
Nov 25 02:56:31 <microlith> I will try tomorrow
Nov 25 02:56:34 <microlith> that's it
Nov 25 02:57:02 <microlith> and I stick with this because there is no other device like the N900 out there
Nov 25 02:57:18 <acidjazz> also nokia NY got some
Nov 25 02:57:20 <acidjazz> but theyre gone
Nov 25 02:57:31 <acidjazz> its like nokia made 500 and thats it
Nov 25 02:57:34 <AakashPatel> microlith, do you have thelink to the nokia usa store?
Nov 25 02:57:40 <acidjazz> theres a rumor on the forums of the next shipment being in february
Nov 25 02:57:40 <AakashPatel> i cant figure out where to buy it
Nov 25 02:57:45 <acidjazz> www.nokia.com
Nov 25 02:57:49 <acidjazz> theres a link there
Nov 25 02:57:50 <AakashPatel> Lol thanks
Nov 25 02:57:51 <acidjazz> click usa
Nov 25 02:57:54 <AakashPatel> i did
Nov 25 02:58:04 <AakashPatel> OH haha
Nov 25 02:58:07 <AakashPatel> Buy online
Nov 25 02:58:10 <AakashPatel> didnt see that
Nov 25 02:58:32 <AakashPatel> ouch 649
Nov 25 02:58:39 <acidjazz> comes w/ a warranty
Nov 25 02:58:43 <AakashPatel> so does amazon's
Nov 25 02:58:51 <acidjazz> nokia claims theres is better than amazons
Nov 25 02:58:59 <acidjazz> thast what they told me
Nov 25 02:59:06 <AakashPatel> Haha
Nov 25 02:59:29 <AakashPatel> Yeah, I can't afford it from Nokia directly
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