**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 27 15:32:52 2009 Nov 27 15:33:02 Zerojayn900: hope you won't get into any trouble over this issue. i love the wallpapers personally :P Nov 27 15:35:16 right, split hell. Nov 27 15:35:16 :P Nov 27 15:35:21 ah, damn splits. Nov 27 15:38:36 indeed Nov 27 15:39:05 " a bit noisy" pfft. Nov 27 15:41:24 mhm Nov 27 15:42:03 * julianol1ver notes that his armel builds of libnet and ettercap work just fine on the N900 Nov 27 15:42:16 now for libcvd.. Nov 27 15:42:43 moo, Nix Nov 27 15:44:22 yo Nov 27 15:48:09 wb VDVsx Nov 27 15:48:28 Stskeeps, thanks :) Nov 27 15:48:35 hi, I feel a bit stupid about asking it, but how is vkb supposed to work for url input field of microb? It works great for input forms, but it appears like 1 on 10 tries when I want to write an URL ... any hint? thanks Nov 27 15:49:13 ertl: what device? Nov 27 15:49:22 n900 Nov 27 15:49:52 using stylus or thumb? Nov 27 15:50:05 using both Nov 27 15:50:49 ouch! Nov 27 15:51:02 hello Nov 27 15:51:10 ouch? :) Nov 27 15:51:13 ertl: actually i didn't try it out that hard Nov 27 15:51:16 hey Nov 27 15:51:23 Well... Nov 27 15:51:41 PC shows blank again Nov 27 15:51:49 wazd: video card issue? Nov 27 15:52:01 when I tap the whole URL is selected, but then nothing happens Nov 27 15:52:30 Stskeeps: well... Nov 27 15:52:40 anyone can help me in finding some clues for this bug? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6360 Nov 27 15:52:42 Bug 6360: Headset problems Nov 27 15:55:01 heh, reading about sending packages to russia Nov 27 15:55:04 man, that looks like a mess.. Nov 27 15:56:02 Fuck! Nov 27 15:56:11 STUPID ME Nov 27 15:56:31 the cable fell out? Nov 27 15:56:38 I forgot too check 12V cable properly Nov 27 15:57:04 It was half-out Nov 27 15:57:09 Damn... Nov 27 15:57:19 so it works again? Nov 27 15:57:19 :P Nov 27 15:57:55 Looks like Nov 27 15:58:12 But first time I'm sure it was bios Nov 27 15:58:30 Or sabotage :D Nov 27 16:02:12 mehehe, I have floppy drive shown in My Computer :D\ Nov 27 16:03:22 and I have a CD/DVD Drive as well as cdrom0 in my Computer in nautilus Nov 27 16:03:27 at least the floppy is finally gone Nov 27 16:03:51 mgedmin: I forgot to disable it in new bios :) Nov 27 16:04:40 Stskeeps: what you have read bout shipping to russia? :) Nov 27 16:05:28 wazd_: something along the lines "if you want to ship something valuable, consider it gone" Nov 27 16:05:35 The Mafia want insurance money Nov 27 16:06:50 well, ship him 1000 n900s and hope one of them arrives. Nov 27 16:07:22 Stskeeps: well, that's not completely true Nov 27 16:07:43 Stskeeps: I've successfuly received 2 shiny HP's in one package Nov 27 16:07:48 Stskeeps: brand new Nov 27 16:08:01 harry potter books aren't valuable ;) Nov 27 16:08:12 * kalikiana grins Nov 27 16:08:19 Stskeeps: In russia you can buy a car for one!11 Nov 27 16:08:21 sts :D Nov 27 16:08:43 a car for a harry potter book? awesome! Nov 27 16:08:52 Stskeeps: But you can make a nice fire by lighting up the entire set! Nov 27 16:09:04 You just have to use ExpressMail or any kind of mail with tracking number Nov 27 16:09:08 heh fire Nov 27 16:09:12 I actually can believe a HP book being more valuable than a windows mobile gadget. Nov 27 16:09:15 ;) Nov 27 16:09:15 burn some heretics, right? Nov 27 16:09:37 gah, javispedro, don't make me think Hewlett-Packard is making netbooks now Nov 27 16:10:01 wazd_: do you plan of moving out of russia when you have your passport :P Nov 27 16:10:03 mgedmin: I have one :D Nov 27 16:10:04 ? Nov 27 16:10:30 Stskeeps: If I'll have somewhere to go - sure :D Nov 27 16:10:33 everyone sells netbooks Nov 27 16:10:57 all made by foxconn or something though, probably :P Nov 27 16:10:57 wazd: Kazakhstan? Nov 27 16:11:12 qwerty12: FFFffffuuuuu :) Nov 27 16:11:28 wazd_: You said "somewhere" :P Nov 27 16:11:48 qwerty12: Is that where you used to live? Nov 27 16:11:55 Anyway, according to Borat, they only hate the Uzbeks; not the Russians Nov 27 16:12:05 qwerty is like a traditional Kazakh name. Nov 27 16:12:15 Qwerty, Borat, you know. Nov 27 16:12:29 oh man, first wikipedia, now Borat Nov 27 16:12:30 Hehe Nov 27 16:13:21 High Five! Nov 27 16:14:32 qwerty12: pong Nov 27 16:15:37 Jaffa: Are there any plans to get pH5's patch to Vala's hildon-1.vapi in Vala 0.7.8? Nov 27 16:18:09 fscking virgin Nov 27 16:18:20 mm? Nov 27 16:18:22 lcukn900: The DPI shit? Nov 27 16:18:26 * lcukn900 hates typing virgin service status Nov 27 16:18:38 Jaffa: there was a patch too for the .vapi file for librest iirc Nov 27 16:18:42 im on bastard hold Nov 27 16:18:56 qwerty dpi? Nov 27 16:19:25 can i use n900 3g as modem? Nov 27 16:19:30 for laptop Nov 27 16:19:38 afaik Nov 27 16:19:41 with pc suite Nov 27 16:19:46 lcukn900: Virgin want to use the Deep Packet Inspection shit to see what you're downloading. I told you Virgin was shit Nov 27 16:19:47 linux Nov 27 16:20:13 qwerty no my net has been flaky all day Nov 27 16:20:15 "PeterMaemo Forum Nokia and Maemo Marketing busy next week presenting developer opportunities next week in Paris, Mountain View, Stockholm and Barcelona" - anyone heard anything more about this? Nov 27 16:20:40 Barcelona is the UX thingy, I guess. Nov 27 16:20:49 and mt desktop reacted strangly earlier just as i connecyed it blew up totally Nov 27 16:20:55 now i know why Nov 27 16:21:24 i didnt think dpi was in just yet Nov 27 16:21:33 i read about it last night Nov 27 16:21:54 qwerty12: The patches for libhildon are supposed to be included; but apparently they haven't made it into the build (despite the files being patched by mud). Nov 27 16:22:01 lardman: Is that Bundyo's? Nov 27 16:22:08 http://anidel.blogspot.com/2009/10/n900-as-modem-for-ubuntu-910.html Nov 27 16:22:09 Jaffa: Evidently. Nov 27 16:22:14 lcukn900, yes, you can use n900 as a 3g modem with linux, if you connect it with the usb cable in pc suite mode Nov 27 16:22:24 network-manager autodetects it as a 3g usb modem iirc Nov 27 16:22:27 Jaffa: no I don't think so, though someone on here Nov 27 16:22:29 lcukn900: There's the tutorial for it Nov 27 16:22:44 (1) plug in (2) click on 'connect' (3) done Nov 27 16:22:46 Jaffa: he may not have submitted a patch of course.... Nov 27 16:23:01 well, maybe (2) is a bit more complicated Nov 27 16:23:06 it was the name of the file, to match the lib I pushed to extras Nov 27 16:23:12 Jaffa: will let you know Nov 27 16:23:45 bbiab Nov 27 16:25:48 RST38h ping Nov 27 16:27:37 virgin just told me net wont b back till 1130 Nov 27 16:29:56 is it down cause they are installing deep packing inspection software? Nov 27 16:30:20 * lbt shoots Aniello for giving so little information using so many bytes of image data... Nov 27 16:30:27 My N900 arrived... and I can't play with it because I have to go to a company christmas party :-( Nov 27 16:30:39 choices Nov 27 16:31:01 The courier left it with my father who was around... he asked "What have you ordered from holland? hash seeds?" Nov 27 16:31:04 :-/ Nov 27 16:31:20 "boohoo" Nov 27 16:31:32 the N900 is way more addictive :) Nov 27 16:31:36 ShadowJK_: Take the N900 and charger with you =) Nov 27 16:31:49 nah Nov 27 16:31:54 * lbt emails ShadowJK_'s dad and tips him the drug squad are coming Nov 27 16:32:04 I'm too afraid of touching it before I get a screen protector Nov 27 16:32:32 ShadowJK_: Cling-film works Nov 27 16:32:40 ShadowJK_: not well - but it protects it. Nov 27 16:32:42 Screen protectors are for the weak! I never used one on the N800 and now its screen is rather shitty... Nov 27 16:32:44 ShadowJK_: screen protector is not a problem :) Nov 27 16:33:00 just take a polishing cloth with you Nov 27 16:33:27 no-one thinks I'm strange when I sit in my chair and polish my phone Nov 27 16:33:35 at least no-one says anything Nov 27 16:33:37 they do Nov 27 16:33:42 lol Nov 27 16:34:15 do you laugh frantically while you're doing it Nov 27 16:39:39 daaaamn Nov 27 16:39:46 ? Nov 27 16:39:55 windows profile corrupted Nov 27 16:40:15 I've successfully avoided that for a decade. Nov 27 16:40:20 Can I just work for a bit without local Armageddons please... Nov 27 16:40:41 lol wazd join the club ive got no net either Nov 27 16:43:00 SpeedEvil: I wonder why the hell it happens from time to time Nov 27 16:43:44 wazd: I should really get up to speed with recent windows. Nov 27 16:43:57 But then I need to sort out my drains too. Nov 27 16:44:05 recent windows are made of glass Nov 27 16:44:15 wazd: you could install linux, use gimp, but i would be afraid your brilliant designs would suffer :P Nov 27 16:44:44 But there's no fun in pirating Linux stuff Nov 27 16:45:32 TomaszD: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=396345 Nov 27 16:45:40 how on earth did we survive before internet Nov 27 16:46:03 lcukn900: books Nov 27 16:46:04 qwerty12, oh god... Nov 27 16:47:34 TomaszD: Now try removing it :p Nov 27 16:47:38 hi everybody Nov 27 16:47:47 any finns around? (onkos suomalaisia paikalla?) Nov 27 16:47:50 books isnt too bad with source material Nov 27 16:47:51 qwerty12, it's removed from the repo now Nov 27 16:48:04 tekonivel, there are always finns around Nov 27 16:48:06 TomaszD, it's ok reply saying this package will be superceded Nov 27 16:48:07 i kind of hoped to get mail from Nokia today... Nov 27 16:48:14 zaheerm, just did Nov 27 16:48:18 TomaszD: Heh. This makes the post even more interesting - can we say it's a Nokia conspiracy? Nov 27 16:48:21 that the N900 would be available for ppl with pre-orders Nov 27 16:48:22 Damn Nov 27 16:48:28 that didn't happen thought :( Nov 27 16:48:30 TomaszD, also make sure you obsolete ac3-support with your new package Nov 27 16:48:31 could I install maemo in the lg viewty? Nov 27 16:48:53 qwerty12, I'm sure people will start talking regardless of us trolling the thread Nov 27 16:48:55 zaheerm, noted Nov 27 16:50:59 Trouble? Wallpapers? What's going down? Nov 27 16:51:27 the nokia flagship store kind of said N900 might be available today Nov 27 16:51:36 (in Finland i mean) Nov 27 16:51:55 GAN900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=395916 Nov 27 16:51:55 alright, bbl Nov 27 16:52:44 np: The Proclaimers - 500 miles (from my n900). Nov 27 16:52:49 UPS say it's in Barking. Nov 27 16:53:04 lbt wrt scratches not smudges :) Nov 27 16:53:07 * qwerty12 passed Barking on the train, twice Nov 27 16:53:14 Oh screw Nintendo. Nov 27 16:53:28 GAN900: of course the someone panicked and shit is all over the place. Nov 27 16:53:31 They're turning into freaking Sony Nov 27 16:53:31 s/the/then Nov 27 16:53:41 First 4.2 then this Nov 27 16:54:26 SpeedEvil: you walking then? ;) Nov 27 16:54:40 but heh, can't complain. I actually expected this since engadget pulled the story.... Nov 27 16:55:19 This all makes for good publicity Nov 27 16:55:43 panicking does not though -- so better be quiet for noe. Nov 27 16:56:14 ShadowJK_: actually I'm pretty paranoid about that too. I had a screenie on the N800 and haven't bothered on the N900. I do make sure my pockets have no coins though... Nov 27 16:56:34 lardman: naah. Nov 27 16:56:44 lardman: I think I'll wait for it. Nov 27 17:00:39 hmm, cancel my $541 amazon order for a $613 nokiausa order (and hopefully use he $50 rebate)? decisions. Nov 27 17:02:30 anyone seen lots of syntax errors in the v4l2 header files caused by some missing package? Diablo target Nov 27 17:04:14 balls, bloody Qt stuff won't build for Diablo now Nov 27 17:04:43 /usr/bin/moc-qt4 -Iqt -DQT_SHARED -I/usr/include/qt4 -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui -I./include qt/QZBarThread.h -o qt/moc_QZBarThread.cpp Nov 27 17:04:43 qemu: uncaught target signal 4 (Illegal instruction) - exiting Nov 27 17:05:00 always fun Nov 27 17:05:03 compiling for arm? Nov 27 17:06:18 lardman: use a newer sb? Nov 27 17:06:31 err Nov 27 17:06:32 qemu Nov 27 17:08:48 aaaw, all my FF bookmarks are gone :( Nov 27 17:08:57 hmm, guess so Nov 27 17:09:38 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MwTvtyrUQ lool Nov 27 17:09:51 wazd_: :/ Nov 27 17:10:04 are there any instructions for upgrading Diablo qemu? Nov 27 17:10:14 changing the target settings Nov 27 17:10:15 check that video Nov 27 17:10:17 lardman: install .deb for the new one and adjust target? Nov 27 17:10:39 is it installed under /scratchbox? Nov 27 17:10:50 if you have fremantle sdk you can use qemu-arm-sb Nov 27 17:10:57 (i mean, both of them) Nov 27 17:11:00 both SDKs Nov 27 17:11:06 in the same sb? Nov 27 17:11:11 yep Nov 27 17:11:24 that would be easier than my current /scratchbox symlinking dance Nov 27 17:11:31 any instructions for that? Nov 27 17:12:16 I added the sbox repo to my apt sources and installed packages required by SDK (mostly intuition and guessing by looking at the manual instructions) Nov 27 17:12:23 then followed the manual instructions for both Nov 27 17:12:36 make a new target first I guess? Nov 27 17:12:46 then do you need the rootfs too? Nov 27 17:13:03 the manual SDK Install instructions talk about that Nov 27 17:13:10 s/talk about/guide you through Nov 27 17:13:26 ok Nov 27 17:13:32 i managed to have bora, diablo, fremantle and gregale sdks with that. Nov 27 17:13:42 * lardman begins to wish he had never volunteered to update zbar Nov 27 17:13:45 Anyone else got a n900 coming with UPS? Nov 27 17:13:57 They think it weighs 100g. Nov 27 17:13:59 lardman: Moderator powers... Nov 27 17:14:12 * SpeedEvil wonders if they just don't care about weighing accurately. Nov 27 17:14:20 true Nov 27 17:14:21 :) Nov 27 17:14:24 SpeedEvil: it's a N900 box. Nov 27 17:14:29 without N900 inside. Nov 27 17:14:46 not even rocks inside? :( Nov 27 17:14:59 Maybe it has a Pocket PC inside, to bring the weight up... Nov 27 17:15:20 or harry potter books. Nov 27 17:15:23 or ikea catalogues. Nov 27 17:15:26 :) Nov 27 17:15:36 Some rocks I would be happy with. Nov 27 17:15:38 Gah, I hate you all. Nov 27 17:15:55 Diamonds, sapphires, ... Nov 27 17:16:10 30 tons of gravel. Nov 27 17:30:22 seems that N900 will bomb, because it makes for a poor phone, no matter how good a pocket computer it may be... Nov 27 17:31:43 we'll see Nov 27 17:31:51 t_s_o: do you think iPhone is a good phone? Nov 27 17:32:25 pekuja: i think iphone is a massive marketing machine... Nov 27 17:32:27 t_s_o: and what's wrong with N900 as a phone? (I don't have one yet, so I can't tell) Nov 27 17:33:05 a friend of mine (mac fan) is complaining about massive issues of iphone as phone Nov 27 17:33:07 ok, its not a personal opinion, just a observation made based on the blogs and stuff made so far by people outside of the maemo community... Nov 27 17:33:59 are there any problem with the phone or sms functionality? Nov 27 17:34:02 t_s_o: oh... um... so it's not your opinion, but of some other people that haven't used an N900 either? Nov 27 17:34:03 they seem to go n900 = nokia = phone, and then cry havoc over the phone features (or lack of them) Nov 27 17:34:12 n900 as phone is at least as good to the iphone 3g when it came out, imho Nov 27 17:34:47 Lorthirk: that was a year and a half ago though Nov 27 17:34:50 t_s_o: thought n900 even has conference features, which features are missing? Nov 27 17:34:52 Lorthirk: sadly, they mostly compare it with iphone 3g (or 3gs) as its now... Nov 27 17:34:59 expectations have risen Nov 27 17:35:06 I have to agree with t_s_o. A lot of people buy/preorder the N900 and they don't know what they're getting -- but one thing's for sure: it's not what they expect. Nov 27 17:35:14 pekuja: ok, but n900 has been on the market for 4 days Nov 27 17:35:28 anyways, I do think N900 still needs portrait mode to be a nice phone Nov 27 17:35:36 but it seems like that's in the works Nov 27 17:35:47 I'm sure the community will make it happen if Nokia doesn't Nov 27 17:35:48 this is specially evident in pre-existent Nokia fansites. Nov 27 17:35:54 t_s_o: it's comparing with iphone that i've chosen n900 :) Nov 27 17:35:55 which is what's cool about N900 :-P Nov 27 17:35:55 javispedro: do you really think people are spending 600eur with at least looking what it is? Nov 27 17:36:03 Multiple profile support always makes me laugh. I have no need for it, personally, but it is a feature found in most phones and Nokia really do not have an excuse for leaving it out Nov 27 17:36:10 Markus23: yes. Nov 27 17:36:44 qwerty12: you mean like silent profile, outdoors profile, etc? Nov 27 17:36:50 it is time to unpack my n900 :D Nov 27 17:37:05 Mozillion, enjoy! Nov 27 17:37:10 I thought there were 2 profiles? Nov 27 17:37:24 don't know a use for a profile other then silent or normal :-) Nov 27 17:37:35 a "flight mode" profile is sometimes useful Nov 27 17:37:38 Markus23: some of them don't even realize they won't be able to run Symbian apps. I've answered a few emails about this. Nov 27 17:37:40 pekuja: Yep. It has only two profiles: Silent and General. You can play with profiled's ini files to add new ones, but 1) who's gonna be arsed to do that and 2) You won't be able to choose it from the GUI Nov 27 17:37:45 but n900 has an orthogonal setting for that Nov 27 17:37:54 Mozillion: could you please check that N900 recognizes correctly the WH-205 headset? Nov 27 17:37:58 (nor Java apps for the matter) Nov 27 17:38:03 mgedmin: what stops you from using silent mode and stop all connections? Nov 27 17:38:09 Silent and General is pretty much all anyone uses Nov 27 17:38:38 * mgedmin sometimes wishes "vibrate off" in silent profile also turned off haptic feedback Nov 27 17:38:40 Lorthirk: is that included? Nov 27 17:38:49 of course, the headset :) Nov 27 17:38:49 hrm.. the box feels rather light Nov 27 17:38:50 qwerty12: if you can do it with ini files it is easy to write a gui supporting it... Nov 27 17:38:59 i'm really having hard times with that Nov 27 17:39:07 but not sure if there is any demand for it? Nov 27 17:39:11 Markus23: True, but you'd lose the integration Nov 27 17:39:18 I suppose some people might use a separate Outdoor setting for when they want a really loud ring tone Nov 27 17:39:41 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35161 and https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6360 Nov 27 17:39:43 Bug 6360: Headset problems Nov 27 17:39:44 Are the profiles the only thing missing? Nov 27 17:39:47 vibrate on and completely silent are useful settings though Nov 27 17:40:11 javispedro: so I need to install the diablo toolchain then I guess? Nov 27 17:40:16 so how can i tell which app or process keeps turning on my display when idle? Nov 27 17:40:16 lardman: yep Nov 27 17:40:31 or do I need to install everything bar sb itself? Nov 27 17:40:39 devkits, etc? Nov 27 17:40:47 lardman: if you install everything you'll waste disk space Nov 27 17:40:49 but that's about it Nov 27 17:41:06 (AFAIK, cause I did not install everything but cherry picked) Nov 27 17:41:10 well I can't install scratchbox-core_1.0.11_i386.deb can I as it will overwrite the Fremantle version Nov 27 17:41:21 no, just use the latest version Nov 27 17:42:09 ok, if only profiles are missing i am relieved :-) Nov 27 17:42:20 for example, I have the following toolchains: cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-i386 cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm6 cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 host-gcc Nov 27 17:42:37 is there any n* using symbian? Nov 27 17:42:47 n97? Nov 27 17:43:14 Markus23, all the Ns except N800, n810, n810 WE, n900 Nov 27 17:43:17 ohh ok, that might be confusing then Nov 27 17:43:37 Markus23: most Nseries devices are Symbian Nov 27 17:43:44 but the people also manged not to buy N810 :-) Nov 27 17:44:12 and the ads say that it has a phone and not symbian... Nov 27 17:44:38 Markus23: most asked question about the N810: "is it a phone?" even though it says it's not nearly everywhere Nov 27 17:45:00 in fact I find the ads relatively clear that it is using linux, but maybe I am to sensitive on that Nov 27 17:45:21 javispedro: and thats mostly because in the public mind nokia == phone... Nov 27 17:45:29 they had an N810 product placement in the Fantastic Four movie, and even in that one Mr. Fantastic reiterated that it's not a phone :-D Nov 27 17:45:32 t_s_o, exactly. Nov 27 17:45:40 pekuja: oh! Nov 27 17:45:55 pekuja: i recall mr fantastic toying a 770 with a custom gui, but i do not recall a N810... Nov 27 17:46:18 however with n900 nokia tries to fulfill which is in the public mind :-) Nov 27 17:46:36 people don't know what linux/symbian is Nov 27 17:46:40 it is not a phone :) Nov 27 17:46:40 they just know what Nokia is. Nov 27 17:46:49 Best film I ever saw a tablet in was Harold and Kumar go to gitmo, featuring the 770 Nov 27 17:46:51 and sometimes hardly. Nov 27 17:47:07 "Nokia 770: "Rise of the Silver Surfer" Gadget" Nov 27 17:47:12 this is all I could found ;) Nov 27 17:47:14 or, phones today are pretty different than a few years ago :) Nov 27 17:47:22 was there not a claim that the 770 showed up in die hard 4.0? Nov 27 17:47:40 hah.. 20 minutes with n900 and wlan stops working... came back after a reboot though Nov 27 17:47:44 some know that s60 suck (but they might not know its symbianos) :-) Nov 27 17:48:19 Markus23: because they have been told it sucks, or from personal experience? Nov 27 17:48:26 they don't even know it's the same as what their older phone used, but They Changed It Now Sucks Nov 27 17:48:53 t_s_o: I only know one - but with personal experience Nov 27 17:48:55 javispedro: more like, its not like that "other" phone, so now it sucks... Nov 27 17:49:27 t_s_o: ok, I remembered wrong. a Maemo tablet anyways Nov 27 17:49:33 are there manual install instructions for the fremantle SDK? Nov 27 17:49:49 there were at least... lemme check Nov 27 17:49:52 I think n900 is more clearly that it does not use the same interface Nov 27 17:49:57 javispedro: more questions, sorry Nov 27 17:50:06 but maybe people expect otherwise... Nov 27 17:50:14 don't mind Nov 27 17:50:18 javispedro: am just looking to set up the target, and the Diablo stuff says to issue: sb-conf setup DIABLO_ARMEL -c cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm -d perl:debian-etch:maemo3-tools:cputransp -t qemu-arm-0.8.2-sb2 Nov 27 17:50:31 yep Nov 27 17:50:39 I guess I want a different qemu, but just wondering about the middle stuff, whether I should install the Diablo ones or use the Fremantle ones Nov 27 17:50:58 devkits and toolchain? keep on using diablo's Nov 27 17:51:08 ok, so I need to install those too then Nov 27 17:51:10 if you use fremantle toolchain and c++ you'll run into issues when deploying to device Nov 27 17:51:13 toolchain fine Nov 27 17:51:17 c might work Nov 27 17:51:19 oh... Nov 27 17:51:26 ah well, waste of time then Nov 27 17:51:28 well, at least I run into issues :) Nov 27 17:51:34 yeah new GCC Nov 27 17:51:40 ok, will stop now then Nov 27 17:51:44 but the newer emu should work Nov 27 17:51:44 thanks for the help anyway Nov 27 17:51:51 lardman: try it anyways Nov 27 17:51:52 ah ok Nov 27 17:52:01 scratchbox sucks big time in that respect Nov 27 17:52:05 so you reckon to install the devkits too? Nov 27 17:52:17 makes you answer questions you don't know the answer to, and only one works Nov 27 17:52:35 the idea is to install nearly all scratcbox-* .debs (save for those not required by ANY sdk) Nov 27 17:52:51 and then setup each sdk target as usual Nov 27 17:53:04 ok, will try installing those ones too and see what happens :) Nov 27 17:53:06 with same settings as the ones the automated installer would set Nov 27 17:53:10 the UI installer doesnt require such questions IIRC Nov 27 17:53:11 ~lart Qt, in a good way Nov 27 17:53:11 * infobot burns Qt, in a good way to a crisp with a laser Nov 27 17:53:25 then you can play with using diablo sdk with fremantle compiler, or diablo sdk with fremantle qemu, etc. Nov 27 17:53:30 mikhas: yeah, but I'm installing inside a Fremantle installation Nov 27 17:53:34 ah Nov 27 17:53:49 and because of Qt, hence the ~lart Nov 27 17:53:51 the issue I had was with C++ destructors and pthread's cancellation, so it was very specific. Nov 27 17:54:06 sbox2 didn't have the questions, but the only problem with it was that it didn't work at all Nov 27 17:54:36 what do devkits do/provide? Nov 27 17:54:51 tools, native tools. Nov 27 17:55:00 and can I actually install two different versions of the doctool devkit for example? Nov 27 17:55:14 doctools even Nov 27 17:55:14 just install the latest Nov 27 17:55:22 lol for all that want browser rotation: http://antimatter15.com/misc/rotatedgooglecss3.html Nov 27 17:55:26 it's not like it changed much. Nov 27 17:55:41 in which case I should also use the latest of everything Nov 27 17:55:48 what about devkit-maemo3? Nov 27 17:56:15 not required by the fremantle sdk iirc Nov 27 17:56:40 but used by the Diablo one? Nov 27 17:56:47 so I should install? Nov 27 17:56:50 yep Nov 27 17:57:02 k Nov 27 17:59:28 ok more questions! :) Nov 27 17:59:39 what's the name of qemu, that I pass to sb-conf? Nov 27 17:59:51 which target? I can tell you the defaults Nov 27 18:00:02 or do you use the menu and it can see what is available? Nov 27 18:00:09 feel free to experiment :) Nov 27 18:00:12 use the menu Nov 27 18:00:12 diablo_armel Nov 27 18:00:27 qemu-arm-0.8.2-sb2 diablos' default Nov 27 18:00:46 yeah, but we want the new version of qemu now Nov 27 18:00:59 take that one :P Nov 27 18:01:28 no, no point, I already have a working Diablo sb install, I just need one that uses the new sb Nov 27 18:01:34 s/sb/qemu Nov 27 18:01:39 I'll try the menu Nov 27 18:01:50 the fremantle one is qemu-arm-sb Nov 27 18:02:16 but then you have to remove the cputransp toolkit and add the qemu one Nov 27 18:02:22 s/toolkit/devkit Nov 27 18:03:49 hmm Nov 27 18:03:56 ok, we'll see what happens hey ;) Nov 27 18:04:30 * adeus sees the future where lardman asks about mysterious illegal instruction crashes Nov 27 18:04:52 actually, that's what we're trying to avoid by using a more recent qemu Nov 27 18:04:53 that's why I'm doing this! :) Nov 27 18:05:18 even though of course the proper solution is qt native devkit :D Nov 27 18:05:25 we need a devkit repo Nov 27 18:06:01 hmm, should I install files to the target? Nov 27 18:06:11 not sure I've ever seen that question before Nov 27 18:06:30 you probably did on the initial target setup Nov 27 18:06:36 fair enough Nov 27 18:07:12 I'll say yes and go for libc + related, passwd, group, mtab, etc., devkit files, gdb, strace Nov 27 18:07:15 sound ok? Nov 27 18:07:40 actually I never managed to break a target by installing files, so go ahead :) Nov 27 18:07:47 :) Nov 27 18:07:57 no time like the present ;) Nov 27 18:08:54 so does my home directory stay the same all the time? Nov 27 18:09:04 yep Nov 27 18:09:08 ah ok Nov 27 18:09:20 I've never used the x86 target so had no idea Nov 27 18:09:31 this means some of the older sdks will refuse to show the GUI unless you clean some files in ~ Nov 27 18:09:43 no matter to me Nov 27 18:11:41 of course the good thing about sbox is that whatever you do you can always restart Nov 27 18:12:17 just wastes loads of time though Nov 27 18:12:31 yeah Nov 27 18:12:39 some day I'll just tar the whole /sbox folder Nov 27 18:12:57 and what's worse is that building sbox takes EVEN longer Nov 27 18:12:58 I do that often :P Nov 27 18:13:23 which is something I need to do to keep updated while having my randomized vdso support patch... Nov 27 18:14:37 right, think I'm getting there, slowly, just install some deps then I can try the build again Nov 27 18:14:51 * lardman goes to do the washing up and get more wine :) Nov 27 18:14:53 of course check if the new qemu runs any binary at all :) Nov 27 18:15:29 Is the source of the Calender avalaible ? Nov 27 18:16:29 no, closed Nov 27 18:17:03 libical is open but that's about it Nov 27 18:18:53 what does it actually mean when a bug gets assigned an alias? Nov 27 18:19:20 Stskeeps: thanks for the info ! :) Nov 27 18:19:22 beginning with int-? Nov 27 18:19:33 yes Nov 27 18:19:55 Flandry: means a internal nokia bug exists with that topic Nov 27 18:20:12 Ok... Nov 27 18:20:33 Independent from the public tracker report? Nov 27 18:20:52 it is usually a good thing, means that your bug is taken seriously Nov 27 18:21:02 ok, thanks Nov 27 18:27:37 wazd: do you still use that IRC client that ignores PMs ? ;) Nov 27 18:28:56 hm, diablo has dep problems with python2.5-gtk2-dev Nov 27 18:29:33 what's the fix incantation, dpkg something? Nov 27 18:32:36 * kalikiana didn't get a FAILED yet, maybe finally the control file is correct Nov 27 18:32:53 * kalikiana prays to the FSM. Nov 27 18:32:59 pupnik: What key are you using to call up the menu in UQM? Someone reported that the new default only works in hyperspace. Nov 27 18:33:08 * lardman raises a meatball Nov 27 18:37:40 hmm: Nov 27 18:37:42 Setting up libqt4-dev (4.5.2-1maemo2) ... Nov 27 18:37:42 Setting up qemu-arm-cvs-m as cpu transparency method... Nov 27 18:37:42 sb-conf: No such CPU-transparency method: 'qemu-arm-cvs-m'. Nov 27 18:38:36 uh, qt postinst changes sbox target settings? Nov 27 18:38:47 apparently Nov 27 18:38:50 Diablo version Nov 27 18:38:52 urg Nov 27 18:39:44 dunno where arm-cvs-m comes from... Nov 27 18:39:54 this is gonna be the slowestnight ever Nov 27 18:39:55 gnuton is the man in question Nov 27 18:40:02 GNUton-BNC: ping Nov 27 18:40:22 certainly for Qt dev ;) Nov 27 18:40:53 javis what settings does it mung with Nov 27 18:41:02 and how does it change system Nov 27 18:41:14 it seems to change the cpu transparency method, see above Nov 27 18:41:55 * lardman decides to move on Nov 27 18:41:56 wasnt here Nov 27 18:42:03 cannot see above Nov 27 18:42:08 I've wasted enough time on this Nov 27 18:42:14 ah, hang on Nov 27 18:42:17 evil setting Nov 27 18:42:18 ah, sory sb-conf: No such CPU-transparency method: 'qemu-arm-cvs-m'. Nov 27 18:42:30 Setting up libqt4-dev (4.5.2-1maemo2) ... Nov 27 18:42:30 Setting up qemu-arm-cvs-m as cpu transparency method... Nov 27 18:42:30 sb-conf: No such CPU-transparency method: 'qemu-arm-cvs-m'. Nov 27 18:42:32 hello all ! Nov 27 18:42:39 Setting up libqt4-dev (4.5.2-1maemo2) ... Nov 27 18:42:39 Setting up qemu-arm-cvs-m as cpu transparency method... Nov 27 18:42:39 sb-conf: No such CPU-transparency method: 'qemu-arm-cvs-m'. Nov 27 18:42:39 Perhaps you forgot to select the devkit which includes it. Nov 27 18:42:51 but I don't know which one is Nov 27 18:42:51 ah, too late :) Nov 27 18:43:07 heh :) Nov 27 18:43:11 using the cvs version has always been a certain option for fail Nov 27 18:43:13 well I guess that was required as qemu was breaking Nov 27 18:43:15 i am a maltese student ... and i nees help on software methodology Nov 27 18:43:25 can anyone ghelp pls ? Nov 27 18:43:32 lardman: found it, it comes with cputransp devkit Nov 27 18:44:14 so maybe you have to uncheck the qemu devkit again, add the cputransp devkit and reinstall qt Nov 27 18:44:20 and see what it does Nov 27 18:44:32 argh! Nov 27 18:44:39 and I'd almost given up there! ;) Nov 27 18:44:50 was happily going to move onto doing something useful Nov 27 18:44:51 sounds like a time sink indeed :) Nov 27 18:44:53 ooh Nov 27 18:44:54 hello Nov 27 18:44:57 abby: well you can only ask Nov 27 18:45:03 I didn't expect this #channel so big Nov 27 18:45:17 LuciusMare: well all turned up as we knew you were coming ;) Nov 27 18:45:19 LuciusMare: big community Nov 27 18:45:45 Stskeeps: yes,i see Nov 27 18:46:14 #android has only about 100 more Nov 27 18:46:17 hm Nov 27 18:47:13 i was woundering if you could tell me Benefits of using a standard methodology Nov 27 18:47:19 maybe time for a maemo-dev :P Nov 27 18:47:49 abby: I've no clue what that is Nov 27 18:48:14 Flandry: well it us the devs who are speaking shit most of the time, so would just make the users' channel dull ;) Nov 27 18:48:25 ok np thanks any ways Nov 27 18:48:45 i know ;) Nov 27 18:48:45 heh Nov 27 18:48:51 lardman: we could call in tmo users and let them repeatedly ask if it's shipped yet. Nov 27 18:48:56 but we could send random arrivals there Nov 27 18:49:37 i like the idea of a users chat channel Nov 27 18:49:46 or 20 Nov 27 18:49:53 you want to talk to users?! Nov 27 18:49:58 no Nov 27 18:50:00 :) Nov 27 18:50:09 but they generate their own noise Nov 27 18:50:19 I've suggested a youtube channel before. Nov 27 18:50:31 as long as they are using nxx0 to do itkwhat do we mind Nov 27 18:50:58 i want to be a user :) Nov 27 18:51:11 javispedro: nah, just installed the standard cputranp stuff and it doesn't want to work Nov 27 18:51:11 just have a lark around Nov 27 18:51:15 I don't want to start something bad,but i have to ask - i want to play with my phone a bit,but i heard that maemo is only better in web browsing and pdf wieving,for other things,android is better - What should I choose? Nov 27 18:51:32 up2u Nov 27 18:51:38 maemo is better. Nov 27 18:51:40 hmm, /me wonders what abby expected there....? Nov 27 18:52:31 been too long since my courses on the topic to have any clue Nov 27 18:52:54 pff.. it has considerable trouble to get an IP address on my wlan Nov 27 18:53:07 my desktop is withering away at lack of internwt Nov 27 18:53:12 Okay,thanks Nov 27 18:53:25 i found out today i have a screensaver enabled lol Nov 27 18:53:35 ive never seen it b4 Nov 27 18:53:54 And,I want to try how does Maemo look at n900,is there something like an emulator,or something?I heard i have to use the SDK but didn't find anything about it Nov 27 18:54:11 using the SDK works Nov 27 18:54:14 it's quite complete Nov 27 18:54:17 maemo sdk gui Nov 27 18:54:23 hmm, I've just stepped back in time to debhelper version 4, what have you made me do javispedro!? Nov 27 18:54:25 search google for that Nov 27 18:54:58 the version in sb is pretty old Nov 27 18:55:03 lcukn900: google "maemo sdk emulator" ? Nov 27 18:55:14 no Nov 27 18:55:17 maemo sdk gui Nov 27 18:55:23 hmm, perhaps I should apt-get upgrade Nov 27 18:55:34 lardman: actually, debhelper should come from devkits... Nov 27 18:55:38 it should hit the install instructions for gui sdk Nov 27 18:56:00 tbh I have no idea :) Nov 27 18:56:06 on a linux bos its a single file install and gives nice complete system Nov 27 18:56:08 * lardman goes back to symlink madness Nov 27 18:57:21 you dont normally have sdk trouble simon Nov 27 18:57:22 actually before I do, what version do you chaps have? Nov 27 18:57:34 * lardman wonders why he's trying to save this patient..... Nov 27 18:58:41 * RST38h moos evilly Nov 27 18:58:49 hey rst Nov 27 18:59:08 * RST38h ehlos lcuk, lardman, and javispedro Nov 27 18:59:29 definitely it's time to moo evilly :) Nov 27 18:59:40 lardman, please add an icon to emerillon, it's hard to identify on my homescreen otherwise :-P Nov 27 18:59:51 kalikiana: lol Nov 27 18:59:56 hi RST38h Nov 27 19:00:00 ok, did I even package it? Nov 27 19:00:12 was it not you? Nov 27 19:00:15 * kalikiana checks Nov 27 19:00:15 I did yes, ok, will sort it out Nov 27 19:00:18 yeah was me Nov 27 19:00:23 "not charging insufficient power" Nov 27 19:00:25 hehe Nov 27 19:00:27 just didn't know if I just stuck a tarball up Nov 27 19:00:30 great moar trouble Nov 27 19:00:37 has been a long week or two Nov 27 19:00:39 javispedro: "Death. Desolation. Plastic forks." ? Nov 27 19:00:40 * lcukn900 sits with wazd Nov 27 19:01:14 kalikiana: I'm still planning to sort those menus out... Nov 27 19:01:56 RST38h: something like that Nov 27 19:03:28 Um,what is a rootstrap? "Default rootstrap has not been set. Please, specify rootstrap name" Nov 27 19:03:51 basically the fs you see within sb Nov 27 19:04:05 javispedro: "Maemo Council suddenly finds out why we need third party repos" =) Nov 27 19:04:38 lardman: oh,and how do i set it -where do i put it?I didn't find it in man Nov 27 19:04:41 LuciusMare, a rootstrap is an archive of an existing file tree, quite simply. you need something to start with Nov 27 19:05:04 kalikiana: oh Nov 27 19:05:11 kalikiana: so first, maemo-sdk install ... ? Nov 27 19:05:15 LuciusMare: you doing an sdk installation? Nov 27 19:05:30 lardman: i guess so Nov 27 19:05:44 lardman: i want how will maemo look on the phone,an "emulator" Nov 27 19:05:51 *i want to know how... Nov 27 19:05:57 follow the instructions then Nov 27 19:06:04 there's no emulator. Nov 27 19:06:11 there should be a nice graphical setup script Nov 27 19:06:18 if you want to see how it'll look check some screenshots :D Nov 27 19:06:31 javispedro: er,i mean... Nov 27 19:06:34 javispedro: what does it look like in the SDK out of interest? Nov 27 19:06:37 To TEST how it will look :) Nov 27 19:06:54 lardman, just like on the device Nov 27 19:06:59 lardman: the only thing i got is this: http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/maemo-sdk.html Nov 27 19:07:09 kalikiana: ah, fair enough Nov 27 19:07:10 and there are no instructions Nov 27 19:07:39 I need more cores Nov 27 19:08:47 lardman: it has the device theme and some of the device apps, but that's about it. Nov 27 19:08:50 Could anyone point me to instructions how to run the maemo? :( Nov 27 19:08:55 and it's ORANGEEEEEEEe Nov 27 19:09:18 LuciusMare: hang on, am looking for the SDK installtion instructions Nov 27 19:09:55 LuciusMare: there's no emulator. consider that. the SDK is mostly for development and depending on what you want to try you're going to be severely disappointed. Nov 27 19:10:17 javispedro: you told me so,i mean Nov 27 19:10:40 19:53 < LuciusMare> And,I want to try how does Maemo look at n900,is there something like an emulator,or something?I heard i have to use the SDK but didn't find anything about it Nov 27 19:10:43 19:54 < Mozillion> using the SDK works Nov 27 19:10:46 19:54 < Mozillion> it's quite complete Nov 27 19:11:10 so,i can't test how it will look on n900? Nov 27 19:11:23 test what? Nov 27 19:11:24 right Nov 27 19:11:35 well... I installed it under Linux Nov 27 19:11:36 LuciusMare, it will look like that, just don't be surprised if, for example, bluetooth and gsm doesn't work Nov 27 19:11:45 right Nov 27 19:11:49 or sound, or animations are not fluid, or.. Nov 27 19:11:52 but they main GUI becomes clear Nov 27 19:11:52 or the colors are weird, Nov 27 19:11:53 http://www.forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/Tools/Platforms/Maemo/ fwiw Nov 27 19:11:55 uhhuh Nov 27 19:11:57 er Nov 27 19:11:59 or NO applications install at all. Nov 27 19:12:12 I wont actually expect it to call Nov 27 19:12:15 Just... Nov 27 19:12:47 or things hang, or the control panel is missing applets, or ... Nov 27 19:12:52 I guess this is not good...?: dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${binary:Version} Nov 27 19:13:05 jeremiah: hey :) Nov 27 19:13:14 some field is missing Nov 27 19:13:32 where from tho? Nov 27 19:13:45 lardman: did you find it already? Nov 27 19:13:51 see above Nov 27 19:14:19 sounds like a debhelper version issue to me, as it used to work and now it doesn't and I've apparently changed debhelper version Nov 27 19:14:39 do you have etch devkit? Nov 27 19:14:52 I think sp Nov 27 19:14:53 so Nov 27 19:15:12 fwiw, this is diablo_armel target Nov 27 19:15:13 Compiler: cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm Nov 27 19:15:13 Devkits: debian-etch cputransp maemo3-tools perl Nov 27 19:15:13 CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-0.8.2-sb2 Nov 27 19:15:38 ah no, have sarge Nov 27 19:15:52 ah :) Nov 27 19:15:59 is that before or after? Nov 27 19:16:02 before I guess? Nov 27 19:16:05 sarge is older, yes Nov 27 19:16:22 hmm, any ideas how I update that then? Nov 27 19:16:33 deselect sarge and check etch? Nov 27 19:16:43 where though? Nov 27 19:16:50 in the target setup Nov 27 19:17:03 if you don't have debian-etch there you'll need to get the corresponding .deb Nov 27 19:17:55 ooo, lots of options! Nov 27 19:18:35 * javispedro is now seriously considering if the guy asking for roms in tmo NOW when both his thread and the "Nintendo suing" thread are topmost is a) dumb b) the nintendo copyright czar trying to lure someone Nov 27 19:19:08 quick, someone generate some very large binary files for him to download.... :) Nov 27 19:19:47 * lardman heads for food Nov 27 19:19:52 be sure they contain valid ROM headers Nov 27 19:20:10 ideally generate valid ARM code too Nov 27 19:20:52 javispedro: Dumb. In fact, we are now gonna get a lot of those, as "owning" Maemo emulators has become "eleet" Nov 27 19:21:42 :) Nov 27 19:21:53 well, you have to look on the bright side, now you don't have to pass extras QA =) Nov 27 19:22:19 lardman: Halooo! Nov 27 19:25:25 etch is after Nov 27 19:25:51 exits new app for maemo Nov 27 19:25:55 4 Nov 27 19:43:31 Hey all. Nov 27 19:43:54 heya Nov 27 19:44:24 I'm currently installing the Maemo 5 SDK. Nov 27 19:44:46 Do I need to install the Qt4 SDK if I want to developer Qt apps or is it already included? Nov 27 19:44:52 *developer Nov 27 19:44:56 *develop Nov 27 19:45:06 i think installable with fakeroot apt-get but i may be wrong Nov 27 19:46:33 Okay, thanks. Nov 27 19:52:31 Nintendo's new piracy tsar takes on Nokia Nov 27 19:52:38 now javis screwed :D Nov 27 19:52:47 I got their piracy tsar right here Nov 27 19:53:51 oh and RST38h :D Nov 27 19:54:15 and me since I've drawn icons for all of them :D Nov 27 19:54:21 we're all screwed :) Nov 27 19:54:28 I thought the Russians deposed the tsars. Nov 27 19:54:34 I'm sure RST38h doesn't give a damn. Nov 27 19:54:35 http://seiscoffee.webs.com/House-M.D.jpg Nov 27 19:55:48 SWell, if seriously, emulators doesn't violate any laws Nov 27 19:56:15 roms - yes, emus - nope Nov 27 19:56:30 can anyone please tell me how i can start writing python apps then porting it to maemo? Nov 27 19:56:39 You underestimate corporate lawyers. Nov 27 19:56:48 There's a thing called "contributory infringement". Nov 27 19:56:49 No, but Nintendo may be curious to find out where the ROMs played at the Helsinki meetup were downloaded from... Nov 27 19:56:51 any links that i can follow? Nov 27 19:57:19 qwerty12_N900: don't give them ammo Nov 27 19:57:20 :P Nov 27 19:57:29 Stskeeps: Thanks for pointing out that URL - I removed it, it shouldn't work now. Nov 27 19:57:44 jeremiah: ah - you found the culprit? Nov 27 19:57:58 Stskeeps: Meh, it's common knowledge: The thing was streamed, FFS Nov 27 19:57:59 Yeah, I hadn't synced that repo Nov 27 19:58:01 Bad me Nov 27 19:58:05 jeremiah: woops Nov 27 19:58:06 qwerty12_N900: woops Nov 27 19:58:08 heh Nov 27 19:58:17 woops Nov 27 19:59:08 wrapster: Yeah, there is a bunch of good documentation Nov 27 19:59:17 wrapster: How strong a python programmer are you? Nov 27 19:59:36 6 on 10 Nov 27 19:59:45 okay, cool Nov 27 19:59:54 heya wazd Nov 27 19:59:56 jeremiah: but was out of touch for a while... Nov 27 19:59:58 Serious Sam HD, cmon, download faster! Nov 27 20:00:02 You want to do Qt stuff? Nov 27 20:00:04 RST38h: hey :) Nov 27 20:00:08 wazd_, are your problems cured Nov 27 20:00:12 By that I mean creating windows etc. Nov 27 20:00:19 my virgin tube is back up and running Nov 27 20:00:23 lcuk: yep Nov 27 20:00:45 http://scitedaily.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/building-3d-models-on-the-fly-using-a-webcam/ Nov 27 20:00:57 http://www.futilitycloset.com/2008/07/09/applied-math/ Nov 27 20:01:08 jeremiah: yeah i have an app in mind as of now and want to start off right away.. qt stuff for it will definitely be benificial... and im planning on doing it as well.. but first would like to look at the docs... Nov 27 20:01:12 re Nov 27 20:01:24 jeremiah: could you please put across the link? Nov 27 20:01:27 wrapster: Cool, sounds good. Nov 27 20:01:35 wrapster: Let me get you a couple links Nov 27 20:01:46 http://maemo.org/development/ Nov 27 20:01:52 ^^ Dev portal Nov 27 20:02:55 https://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4_Hildon Nov 27 20:02:56 jeremiah: ok.. page doesnt seem to be opening..lol Nov 27 20:02:58 ^^ Qt Hildon Nov 27 20:03:26 wrapster: Well, we mirror the web site with a Content Delivery network Nov 27 20:03:48 So if it is slow - blame them! =] Nov 27 20:04:18 The web site is going to get some more dedicated hardware, it is kinda slow at the moment. Nov 27 20:04:29 jeremiah: yeah i had already visited this site.. Nov 27 20:04:38 https://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4_Hildon Nov 27 20:04:41 ^^ Qt Hildon Nov 27 20:04:45 Did you visit that? Nov 27 20:04:49 looked at code eg also.. they are all shell scripsts and makefils.. Nov 27 20:04:53 how about python stuff? Nov 27 20:05:15 You want to know about the python language? Nov 27 20:05:20 http://python.org Nov 27 20:05:49 jeremiah: no no.. Nov 27 20:05:56 that i know... lol.. Nov 27 20:06:08 okay - then you'll have to be a tad more specific Nov 27 20:06:09 wrapster, or is it spelling you want to know more about? Nov 27 20:07:05 i was trying to see if there were any specific way of programming in python for maemo, specifically. Nov 27 20:07:22 No. Just use the bindings to Qt Nov 27 20:07:25 yeah, python for maemo does not work with tab characters Nov 27 20:07:27 never touched maemo thats the reason asking Nov 27 20:07:28 And do regular python fu Nov 27 20:07:39 you have to use unicode 0x3483 to indent your files Nov 27 20:07:40 ok cool.. thanks Nov 27 20:08:04 lcuk: You have to use unicode 0x3457 to ident your brain. Nov 27 20:08:10 damn Nov 27 20:08:13 i knew it was for something Nov 27 20:08:32 jeremiah: thanks.. Nov 27 20:08:51 wrapster python works really well :) Nov 27 20:09:07 wrapster: Sure thing! Nov 27 20:09:12 heh Nov 27 20:09:42 lcuk: great then... if not for my snail paced net conn, i would have downloaded the scratchbox and started working.. damn... Nov 27 20:09:53 should wait for another 3 hrs i guess :( Nov 27 20:10:07 you got a device yet? Nov 27 20:10:34 * Hydroxide greets jeremiah and * Nov 27 20:13:20 lcuk: hehe, you actually made me curious whether unicode had any indentation-specific characters ... gucharmap revealed your jig :) Nov 27 20:13:47 what is char 3457 then? Nov 27 20:14:08 or 3483 Nov 27 20:14:35 luke-jr: they're both CJK unified ideographs Nov 27 20:14:40 lcuk: meant for you ^^ Nov 27 20:14:48 lcuk: i.e., asian characters Nov 27 20:15:41 * lcuk indents himself Nov 27 20:16:20 lol Nov 27 20:17:50 → lcuk Nov 27 20:17:59 → → Hydroxide Nov 27 20:18:00 :) Nov 27 20:18:12 is that the char i chose randomly? Nov 27 20:18:15 no Nov 27 20:18:18 damn Nov 27 20:18:19 ✈ Nov 27 20:18:23 that wouldv been spooky Nov 27 20:18:31 the one I gave was U+2192 Nov 27 20:18:37 RIGHTWARDS ARROW Nov 27 20:18:42 (yes the official names are in caps) Nov 27 20:18:59 with spaces around itr Nov 27 20:19:00 -r Nov 27 20:19:45 UPWARDS ARROW!!! Nov 27 20:20:27 ‫‏Unicode is fun. Nov 27 20:22:37 yep. Nov 27 20:27:01 wow http://scitedaily.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/building-3d-models-on-the-fly-using-a-webcam/ Nov 27 20:27:05 i want that on n900 Nov 27 20:29:18 That stuff has been real-time since 2005. Nov 27 20:31:10 lcuk: I want the inverse. Stationary object, and moving camera Nov 27 20:31:42 Haha. Nov 27 20:31:43 crime scene room layouts? Nov 27 20:31:56 it needs spline patches to do curved surfaces. 3d boob models ftw! Nov 27 20:32:01 SpeedEvil: They're equivalent. Nov 27 20:32:14 lcuk: Now that makes my n900 worth all the money Nov 27 20:32:15 haha Nov 27 20:32:22 [2009-11-27 21:31:15] DEBUG: trying to overwrite `/opt', which is also in package base-files Nov 27 20:32:29 You just can't do background subtraction automatically. Nov 27 20:32:33 tbf: uhoh. :P Nov 27 20:32:35 "content creation" :D Nov 27 20:32:45 how do i tell sbdmock to get along with this? Nov 27 20:32:46 click, zoom, expand Nov 27 20:32:49 anyone know where to find that $50 mail-in rebate thinger for the N900? Nov 27 20:32:49 more Nov 27 20:32:51 bigger Nov 27 20:32:54 pan out Nov 27 20:32:57 ok, zoom more! Nov 27 20:33:06 hahaha Nov 27 20:33:08 Stskeeps: when building manually i could just remove the symlink, tinker, whatever Nov 27 20:33:08 "omg loook at the size of them things" Nov 27 20:33:15 lcuk: Wow, your face! Nov 27 20:33:25 "thats no moon Nov 27 20:33:26 lcuk: To bad no multitouch! haha Nov 27 20:33:30 Stskeeps: do you have an idea? Nov 27 20:33:41 sod the multitouch, we have corkscrew Nov 27 20:33:55 err, yeah Nov 27 20:33:58 mix of scrollbars and finger slip scrolling makes me confused. is there any style guide on that? Nov 27 20:34:00 derf: yes - they almost are equivalent. Nov 27 20:34:05 wazzat? Nov 27 20:34:05 oh Nov 27 20:34:06 haha i see Nov 27 20:34:32 * lbt played with corkscrew and gave it the finger Nov 27 20:34:35 tbf: where is the error from? Nov 27 20:34:41 ah, sbdmock Nov 27 20:34:44 Stskeeps: yup Nov 27 20:34:45 * Stskeeps backs off slowly Nov 27 20:34:45 j0 Nov 27 20:34:46 lol lbt Nov 27 20:34:50 its useful in some situations Nov 27 20:34:59 'some' Nov 27 20:34:59 hello Nov 27 20:35:02 mmm Nov 27 20:35:05 yo clmntch Nov 27 20:35:06 I accidentally the whole N900. Is it dangerous Nov 27 20:35:07 eating breakfast with only a stylus in hand Nov 27 20:35:10 * lbt smells gimmick Nov 27 20:35:12 its extremely responsive Nov 27 20:35:20 Myrtti: "ate" ? Nov 27 20:35:20 Myrtti: Engrish? Nov 27 20:35:25 the only real tim e i browse hte web Nov 27 20:35:28 tbf: Look at the maemo-developers' archives: This problem was found and fixed for the autobuilder Nov 27 20:35:42 * lcuk huggles Myrtti Nov 27 20:35:46 http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-accidentally Nov 27 20:35:49 hiya :D havent seen you in a while Nov 27 20:35:58 Haha lcuk have you been drinking? Nov 27 20:35:59 Myrtti, the whole thing? Nov 27 20:36:05 careful lcuk she's got an N900 insider Nov 27 20:36:07 qwerty12_N900: ah, sbdmock is the real stuff? the aweome! Nov 27 20:36:08 no AakashPatel Nov 27 20:36:12 hi Nov 27 20:36:15 ive just had no internet all day Nov 27 20:36:23 lcuk: the whole thing Nov 27 20:36:23 so, I setup the SDK... now how do I compile my app? Nov 27 20:36:23 The "huggles" part got me Nov 27 20:36:27 omg no nets for a day? Nov 27 20:36:28 :0 Nov 27 20:36:42 * Myrtti huggles lcuk back Nov 27 20:36:48 AakashPatel: you get no huggles Nov 27 20:37:00 :( Nov 27 20:37:05 * AakashPatel huggles himself Nov 27 20:38:35 hm we should have an offtopic channel Nov 27 20:38:43 why Nov 27 20:38:51 bacon Nov 27 20:38:53 ! Nov 27 20:38:53 we sometimes stop if real people need to ask questions Nov 27 20:38:59 * Stskeeps had a really delicious bacon pizza today Nov 27 20:39:06 Idk, jsut to talk about whatever Nov 27 20:39:06 and keep this place...maemo filled? lol Nov 27 20:39:12 * lbt had bacon and avacado Nov 27 20:39:21 AakashPatel: many people do maemo as work, so bacon discussion in the evening Nov 27 20:39:24 mmmm maemo bacon Nov 27 20:39:35 maemo isnt maemo without bacon Nov 27 20:39:36 do they have bacon in spain? Nov 27 20:39:39 hah okay Nov 27 20:39:58 pretty sure they do Nov 27 20:40:14 lbt: yes, i think i had some when i was at debconf Nov 27 20:40:22 bacon isn't bacon without maemo, lcuk Nov 27 20:40:25 good Nov 27 20:40:55 * lbt aims to extend the weekend to include bacon experience Nov 27 20:40:57 lol why is bacon so important? Nov 27 20:41:02 * AakashPatel must have missed something Nov 27 20:41:08 AakashPatel: !!!! Nov 27 20:41:17 I mean in maemo Nov 27 20:41:18 lol Nov 27 20:41:34 AakashPatel: http://xkcd.com/418/ Nov 27 20:41:58 is htere a tutorial how to use the scratchbox and stuff to compile an app for Maemo, if you know how to do it under Debian? Nov 27 20:41:58 http://knowyourmeme.com/i/378/original/800px-Motivational93.png Nov 27 20:41:58 this is symbolism of maemo openness. it's open, like bacon. Nov 27 20:41:58 Haha I see Nov 27 20:42:03 Quibus: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b.. Nov 27 20:42:03 :P Nov 27 20:42:27 open like a pig Nov 27 20:42:27 mmm, open maemo bacon. Nov 27 20:42:42 haha Nov 27 20:42:45 I'm now left wondering Nov 27 20:42:48 mmmmmmmm, bacon Nov 27 20:42:55 if when I get my n900 if I can make it overheat so I can cook bacon on it. Nov 27 20:42:58 * AakashPatel hasn't had any in...a few months :0 Nov 27 20:43:01 w00t, sure Nov 27 20:43:10 Stskeeps: thanks :P Nov 27 20:43:11 the n810 was released with a bacon grill Nov 27 20:43:15 w00t: calculate pi on it Nov 27 20:43:15 just put a rasher on the keyboard Nov 27 20:43:17 Quibus: http://maemo.org/development/ Nov 27 20:43:21 it even has one of those driptrays Nov 27 20:43:27 For now, it seems just compiling in that scratchbox env seems to be the idea Nov 27 20:43:33 lcuk: awesome. Nov 27 20:43:46 lbt: been there, but it's either too basic or too advanced Nov 27 20:43:59 have you got the SDK up? Nov 27 20:44:03 yep Nov 27 20:44:16 I'm checking out the code under the scratchbox env now Nov 27 20:44:23 *nod* Nov 27 20:44:40 does "mount --bind" make sense? Nov 27 20:44:48 lbt: in the scratchbox? Nov 27 20:45:08 to it ... to allow the sbox to share with your normal dev env Nov 27 20:45:23 * AakashPatel goes to play with maemo in scrachbox more Nov 27 20:45:33 I do : mount --bind /maemo /scratchbox/users/david/maemo/ Nov 27 20:45:34 lbt: the code isn't that big, so I guess it doesn't really need to be shared Nov 27 20:45:38 sure Nov 27 20:46:13 lbt: is the idea that the x86 env is for local testing and the armel env is to compile for the actual target? Nov 27 20:46:28 yes Nov 27 20:46:54 OK Nov 27 20:47:34 code is there Nov 27 20:47:44 So, I can just pretend to be under normal Debian-like OS and try to compile? Nov 27 20:47:45 lbt Nov 27 20:47:49 symlink from outside in Nov 27 20:47:59 from outside scratchbox i setup sshfs Nov 27 20:48:07 but its the same thing Nov 27 20:48:17 much heavier though Nov 27 20:48:24 mount --bind is superfast Nov 27 20:48:30 for me yeah, i did it with just code folders before Nov 27 20:48:34 * lcuk nods Nov 27 20:49:04 hmm, it seems Python is ancient in that SDK env Nov 27 20:49:10 heh Nov 27 20:49:19 can it be updated? Nov 27 20:49:27 2.3 is too old for our build system Nov 27 20:49:39 (it's a custom build system written mostly in Python) Nov 27 20:49:57 * lbt not a python expert.... but 'no' Nov 27 20:50:13 arf Nov 27 20:50:13 at least not without implications Nov 27 20:50:14 oh Nov 27 20:50:26 I mean... it's OSS Nov 27 20:50:27 apt-cache search reveals python 2.5 Nov 27 20:50:58 it's a bit weird Nov 27 20:51:14 a custom build system? were you bored? Nov 27 20:51:19 you're running in scratchbox Nov 27 20:51:23 Quibus: use /usr/bin/python2.6 or the likes Nov 27 20:51:27 kalikiana: I wasn't responsible for it :-) Nov 27 20:51:30 It does use make as well Nov 27 20:51:53 * lbt doesn't use SDK much ;) Nov 27 20:52:06 stop, stop, it's becoming even wierder :-P Nov 27 20:52:54 kalikiana: it can do nice tricks though. Nov 27 20:53:33 like turning your brain into mush? Nov 27 20:53:52 like doing a static build by downloading, patching and compiling all deps Nov 27 20:55:52 hmm, no libsdl ttf available? Nov 27 20:56:21 are extra repositories available? Nov 27 20:56:27 no Nov 27 20:56:38 Quibus: check if extras-devel has it Nov 27 20:56:42 that shouldnt be missing Nov 27 20:56:49 im sure i used that on day1 Nov 27 20:56:50 strictly forbidden ;) Nov 27 20:57:19 extras-devel is a category like 'free' and 'non-free'? Nov 27 20:57:32 It was always in extras-devel, even for Diablo & Chinook Nov 27 20:57:33 Quibus: it's stuff extra to the SDK Nov 27 20:57:39 Fremantle is no exception: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/s/sdl-ttf2.0/ Nov 27 20:58:34 Quibus: http://repository.maemo.org/ has all the details Nov 27 20:58:36 what line to add to the sources.list? Nov 27 20:58:37 ah Nov 27 20:58:57 thanks Nov 27 20:59:32 it's not a problem to have an app depending on extras-devel, I suppose? Nov 27 20:59:49 it is if you want it in extras Nov 27 21:00:08 Libraries in extras-devel will get promoted with your app Nov 27 21:00:24 qwerty12_N900: don't they need a maintainer? Nov 27 21:00:30 qwerty12_N900: meaning? Nov 27 21:00:34 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=386826&postcount=127 why for god sake this reminds me Santa Barbara? :D Nov 27 21:00:43 there was a discussion about that a few weeks back Nov 27 21:01:16 damn, no libsdl-ttf in extras-devel either Nov 27 21:01:27 oh, my bad Nov 27 21:01:28 it's there Nov 27 21:02:05 lbt: No idea, but while it has been discussed, it's already been happening... Nov 27 21:02:12 OK, deps installed Nov 27 21:02:17 heh OK Nov 27 21:02:29 Compiling Nov 27 21:02:39 qwerty, but you cannot be promoted to extras Nov 27 21:02:45 you are missing some dependencies Nov 27 21:06:37 so, when the build is done for the x86 target in the scratchbox, how does one proceed to test it as if it's running on the device? Nov 27 21:07:04 read the devel bits about Xephyr Nov 27 21:07:32 I've tried it, and it worked Nov 27 21:07:43 Where can I read how to get my app 'on' it? Nov 27 21:08:02 set the DISPLAY Nov 27 21:08:27 ie. export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:2 Nov 27 21:08:45 Yeah, that part worked Nov 27 21:09:23 Gives me a nice basic Maemo run time env... but I have no idea how to get my app 'on' it :-) Nov 27 21:10:13 ./myapp Nov 27 21:10:41 hmm Nov 27 21:10:53 Let's just try that when compilation is done (almsot now) Nov 27 21:12:36 OK done Nov 27 21:12:38 ~ping Nov 27 21:12:39 ~pong Nov 27 21:12:47 lbt: what if its a command line app Nov 27 21:12:50 will it output in the term? Nov 27 21:12:53 yes Nov 27 21:13:36 Quibus: run-standalone.sh ./myapps Nov 27 21:13:46 hmm Nov 27 21:13:51 yesterday it worked, now it segfaults Nov 27 21:13:57 GeneralAntilles: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=396767#post396767 - go on, sort 'im out Nov 27 21:14:08 the af-sb-init.sh start Nov 27 21:14:46 i had that happen to me Nov 27 21:14:50 i restarted my comp and it worked Nov 27 21:15:11 shoot, forgot to start Xephyr itself :S Nov 27 21:16:40 still segfaulting Nov 27 21:17:13 RST38h, were your Nintendo emulators taken down from maemo.org? Nov 27 21:17:25 /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 302: 7933 Segmentation fault /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu Nov 27 21:17:49 sounds like yer in the ARMTEL env Nov 27 21:18:12 no, was in x86 all the time Nov 27 21:18:43 hrm Nov 27 21:22:04 i need a stand for my n900 Nov 27 21:22:19 a usable pokeable dock style stand Nov 27 21:22:46 * lcuk gets the chisel out Nov 27 21:22:56 GAN: Probably, I have not checked yet Nov 27 21:22:57 lcuk: http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/desk-genie-non-slip-charging-desk-stand-p22432.htm Nov 27 21:23:02 my n900 didn't alert that the battery was getting empty while on the phone Nov 27 21:23:12 it just died Nov 27 21:23:17 lcuk: beyond the built-in kickstand? it does seem less useful than expected, indeed Nov 27 21:24:39 RST38h, with your permission and by whom? Nov 27 21:24:56 GAN: Tero asked if he can take them down, I said yes Nov 27 21:25:13 OK Nov 27 21:25:29 Christ what a bunch of stupid BS Nov 27 21:26:21 Well, weren't you the one saying that we do not need any third party repos? :) Nov 27 21:27:50 irony detected ;-) Nov 27 21:28:08 wtf, for some reason my Debian VM suddenly boots with 720x400 resolution! Nov 27 21:28:27 TV out? Nov 27 21:29:10 Stskeeps: I just rebooted, then it didn't boot with fsck complaining about superblocks with a timestamp in the future. Then i corrected that and rebooted and now this. Nov 27 21:29:22 RST38h, I'm not sure I agree with Nokia's legal department dictation content on maemo.org like that. Nov 27 21:29:42 Myrtti Hydroxide, thats cool, but im used to these, http://liqbase.net/crate_n810.JPG Nov 27 21:29:49 GAN900, what's up? Nov 27 21:29:53 RST38h, you're the guy that sells these things, what legal ground is Nokia standing on here? Nov 27 21:29:54 and now i have n900, its not quite right http://liqbase.net/crate_n900.JPG Nov 27 21:30:20 crashanddie, removing Nintendo emulators from maemo.org Nov 27 21:30:29 oh Nov 27 21:30:38 well, they're paying for the hosting right? Nov 27 21:30:40 pillar, ouch! Nov 27 21:30:53 I definitely think we need a policy for this stuff. Nov 27 21:30:54 GAN900: maemo.org isn't a seperate legal entity so fwiw, they're protecting us and i doubt they did it happily Nov 27 21:31:12 so they're legally responsible for the content on there... I don't know what the legal status of emulators is, but it's probably a cover-our-asses jerk reaction Nov 27 21:31:27 which we can no doubt reverse with a proper discussion Nov 27 21:31:30 (that i personally think maemo.org should be a legal entity is something else) Nov 27 21:32:14 lcuk it took me a while to understand what happened, for a minute I was afraid that something broke when it was able to boot up to Nokia screen and then died again Nov 27 21:32:15 Well, we did talk about creating a Maemo office in London... Nov 27 21:32:43 Stskeeps, that was actually the impression I was under based on the discussions from last year. . . . Nov 27 21:33:10 Can somebody with some background in these issues create a thread on -community? Nov 27 21:33:27 GAN: Well, emulators themselves do not appear to infringe on any IP but their use may Nov 27 21:33:50 At the very least, packages shouldn't be disappearing from maemo.org without a peep. Nov 27 21:33:55 GAN900: instead of attacking nokia i think the focus should be on what to do next time a DMCA complaint comes in Nov 27 21:33:57 GAN: So, I suspect those highly public demos Nokia guys have done at nokiablogs weren't very wise Nov 27 21:34:19 RST38h, bittorrent clients fall under the same definition. Nov 27 21:34:24 GAN900: and they didn't remove things without asking first, it seems like. Nov 27 21:34:41 Stskeeps, not attacking anybody. Nov 27 21:35:06 RST38h: that is true.. it was a little too daring Nov 27 21:35:23 Stskeeps, just trying to figure out what's happening here, what our status is and how we can better handle it in the future. Nov 27 21:35:29 Stskeeps: They should have at least used a pd game Nov 27 21:35:44 this shitstorm is not that they exist, nor that they exist for maemo.org, as RST38h rightfully and carefully points out he never supplies roms with anyof his emus. that part isnt for discussion, if the emus are temporarily offline whilst things are sorted out i say just let it happen and there isnt much to discuss right now Nov 27 21:36:02 * RST38h yawns Nov 27 21:36:24 * w00t thinks lcuk sounds sane, really Nov 27 21:36:39 for once Nov 27 21:36:42 :P Nov 27 21:36:49 I don't think nokia needs to make any huge public statement if they take it down with the advance permission of the uploader. though I do hope it gets sorted out and the emus re-added Nov 27 21:37:01 This story is getting way too much publicity. Things will end up with tenfold more kiddiez using those emulators on Maemo now. And this is NOT good for anybody Nov 27 21:37:04 OK, once you have started the "simulator" whilst having forgotten to start Xephyr first, there's no way you will be able to start it properly if you haven't rebooted. Probably killing those dbus procs might avoid it though Nov 27 21:37:05 RST38h: You've been writing emulators for years now; have you ever recieved any legal complaints or the like? Nov 27 21:37:15 even debian distributes emulators, and debian doesn't take many legal risks Nov 27 21:37:57 qwerty: About my own stuff? No. About stuff that some people placed at their servers and there was some of my files? Yes. Nov 27 21:38:07 Hydroxide: yet I'm quite sure they'd yank them, at least temporarily, if legal complaints got sent their way, and I don't think anyone would be blaming them really Nov 27 21:38:10 qwerty: I simply directed Nintendo guys to the appropriate sysadmin. Nov 27 21:38:24 Makes sense. Nov 27 21:38:49 w00t: it would be good to define the procedure in advance, yes. just noting that isn't what happened here. Nov 27 21:40:02 ~ping Nov 27 21:40:03 ~pong Nov 27 21:40:19 I think we really need Nokia to not be liable for maemo.org. Nov 27 21:40:31 OK, I just ran my app and it appears on the Xephyr display :-) Nov 27 21:40:32 cool Nov 27 21:40:44 GAN900: the problem is then, who is.. :P Nov 27 21:41:01 * AakashADP1 is Nov 27 21:41:04 :0 Nov 27 21:41:07 * w00t votes Stskeeps Nov 27 21:41:10 GAN900: Problem is that nokia will - for obvious reasons - want control of the software site. Nov 27 21:41:21 something.... or someone.. Nov 27 21:41:29 Stskeeps: You're the Distmaster. Why do you think that role was invented? ;) Nov 27 21:41:30 SpeedEvil: I don't think it's really fair to put words in their mouth Nov 27 21:41:39 qwerty12_N900: disastermaster, thank you very much Nov 27 21:41:46 Stskeeps: fitting title, then Nov 27 21:41:47 melmoth: run-standalone doesn't show my app, but if I just run it with the proper DISPLAY set, it shows up Nov 27 21:41:49 SpeedEvil: err.. doubt it Nov 27 21:42:07 SpeedEvil: open source projects are either on gitorious or on garage.maemo.org Nov 27 21:42:14 GAN: Extras = Maemo Select Nov 27 21:42:18 whats the issue being discussed? Nov 27 21:42:22 is there a way to run parts of the application stack on scratchbox like telepathy mission control for example or the whole stack if possible... ? or if I want to do it I need to recompile it all .. ? Nov 27 21:42:24 GAN: So, can't claim that no liability thing Nov 27 21:42:24 * AakashADP1 missed it Nov 27 21:42:27 hmm, after a while, it does show up Nov 27 21:43:06 i keep seeing localized app distribution. passed only in person. Nov 27 21:43:08 Quibus, IRC isn't twitter Nov 27 21:43:32 crashanddie: I apologize, I'm just enthusiastic about getting something working :-) Nov 27 21:43:32 crashanddie, i use it as such Nov 27 21:44:17 lcuk, my apologies, God, you must be right, O creator of the universe. We shall all follow your example, for you make the right decisions and know what is best Nov 27 21:44:19 anybody use nx with n810? Nov 27 21:44:30 of course crashanddie thanks Nov 27 21:44:34 you can carry on now Nov 27 21:44:41 anytime, my Lord Nov 27 21:44:49 He comes from bloody Manchester! Nov 27 21:45:03 I ain't following him :p Nov 27 21:45:17 haha Nov 27 21:47:45 Stskeeps: did you say earlier that you were at debconf this year? so was I, but I don't think we met. Nov 27 21:47:59 RST38h, Maemo Select has a filter. Nov 27 21:48:11 RST38h, it's not everything in Extras. Nov 27 21:48:29 * lcuk has beer Nov 27 21:48:38 * lcuk offers a 7 pint to crashanddie Nov 27 21:48:41 Hydroxide: did a BoF in that awfully hot room on Mer Nov 27 21:48:47 * lcuk gets qwerty12_N900 a glass of vimto Nov 27 21:48:53 * crashanddie has a beer Nov 27 21:49:02 * lcuk offers convulted a beer Nov 27 21:49:08 lcuk: Coke and we have a deal Nov 27 21:49:21 GeneralAntilles, do you want a miller light? Nov 27 21:49:35 budweiser light Nov 27 21:49:38 Quibus: you don't have to reboot, just run the shutdown and then start it again Nov 27 21:49:39 * lcuk gets qwerty12_N900 a bag of coke Nov 27 21:49:45 * convulted drinks his beer and buys another round Nov 27 21:49:51 Flandry: 'the shutdown'? Nov 27 21:49:53 Stskeeps: ah, great. wearing my DebConf10 local team lead hat, I think I can assure you that all of the venue rooms next year will be a nicer temperature :) Nov 27 21:50:05 lcuk: Thanks. :) I take that Manchester comment back Nov 27 21:50:17 f-sb-init.sh stop Nov 27 21:50:20 (Apologies to anyone who was here a few hours ago...) Can anyone help me with drawing on a pixbuf and/or gtk.Image? Nov 27 21:50:24 Hydroxide: hopefully.. :P probably not going next year though Nov 27 21:50:34 Stskeeps: ah well :/ Nov 27 21:50:35 convulted, gulp Nov 27 21:50:40 whats happening wrong Nov 27 21:50:41 Hydroxide: kidnap him Nov 27 21:50:47 and which lang Nov 27 21:50:51 Stskeeps: Don't they serve free cheese at the DebConf events? Nov 27 21:50:55 cos theres more than one way to skin a cat in maemo Nov 27 21:50:57 qwerty12_N900: ...... Nov 27 21:50:58 as you know Nov 27 21:51:11 Stskeeps: :D Nov 27 21:51:14 oooh yeah, i never offered Stskeeps a carlsberg Nov 27 21:51:15 Stskeeps: we're hosting it at Columbia University in main academic buildings, so I think they have the temperature control down Nov 27 21:51:25 qwerty12_N900: indeed, a cheese and wine party is traditional :) Nov 27 21:51:38 Hydroxide, it's a uni, there is no heating Nov 27 21:51:47 Hydroxide: Stskeeps'll be glad to hear that :) Nov 27 21:51:48 Hydroxide, qwerty likes to whine Nov 27 21:51:48 Hydroxide: heh, in .dk, academic buildings often don't have AC. state owned - hence no AC Nov 27 21:51:53 here it's either an inferno or fridge Nov 27 21:52:10 usually an inferno in the winter unfortunately Nov 27 21:52:11 Stskeeps, but you are in denmark - does it actually get warm enough to need ac? Nov 27 21:52:21 Stskeeps: and yet, this being the US, they have a different attitude toward that :) Nov 27 21:52:30 lcuk: occasionally Nov 27 21:52:41 lol i can see why its not needed most of the time Nov 27 21:52:43 Stskeeps: actually, the conference housing people are even putting AC window units in those residence hall rooms we're using which don't already have AC Nov 27 21:52:43 its heaters Nov 27 21:52:53 * RST38h wouldn't be able to live through his studies without AC Nov 27 21:52:56 Not in MD Nov 27 21:53:27 so everyone should have sufficient temperature control indoors, even despite the conference occurring in August Nov 27 21:53:28 went to dupont in summer a couple years ago and it was indeed warm Nov 27 21:53:29 where are you now RST38h Nov 27 21:53:33 In fact, we had to rig the AC to continue working, when university turned it down "for power saving" Nov 27 21:53:35 apart from in hiding Nov 27 21:53:47 lcuk: Not anywhere that requires AC :) Nov 27 21:54:18 cool Nov 27 21:54:29 lcuk, got any cranberry juice? Nov 27 21:54:56 no, but theres some warm prune juice on the side Nov 27 21:55:12 i think qwerty spat in it tho Nov 27 21:55:47 After finding lcuk jerked off in it Nov 27 21:55:57 :( Nov 27 21:56:06 twas once, why do you have to keep mentioning that Nov 27 22:00:08 eww Nov 27 22:02:12 indeed Nov 27 22:02:18 qwerty dragged the tone down Nov 27 22:03:46 hi Nov 27 22:04:10 hello! what does the script run_me_first.sh actually do? Nov 27 22:04:37 wait :> its not this room.. Nov 27 22:04:48 lol Nov 27 22:05:18 you didn't end up in #frat, promise Nov 27 22:05:38 its for scratchbox maemo-dev . anyway. hi guys.. Nov 27 22:05:45 type_t, you use the run_me_first to complete the setup i believ Nov 27 22:07:03 Hi Nov 27 22:07:56 do you know about an app for integrating connectivity with the gadugadu im network in the N900's "conversations"? Nov 27 22:09:26 for the what ? Nov 27 22:10:45 type_t: which part of the above sentence is not understandable for you? Nov 27 22:11:08 arachnist, the lack of capitalisation Nov 27 22:11:20 type_t, the "Gadugadu IM Network" Nov 27 22:11:36 never heard of it.. Nov 27 22:11:50 neither have I Nov 27 22:12:04 telepathy-haze Nov 27 22:12:05 some pilish thingy Nov 27 22:12:05 used in poland and similar countries Nov 27 22:12:06 quite possible if you're not polish Nov 27 22:12:10 It's in Extras devel. Nov 27 22:12:26 there are similar countries to poland? Nov 27 22:12:34 Stskeeps: i actually doubt if it's used outside of poland by non-poles Nov 27 22:12:40 loving nokia sweden right now, nokia online store suddenly decided to ship the phone to people who preorder with orginial firmware anyway.. week 50 :-) Nov 27 22:13:33 frals: Holding it back for the sake of one network was stupid anyway :) Nov 27 22:13:48 yeah Nov 27 22:14:11 Gadugadu is mainly Asian, isn't it? Nov 27 22:15:38 RST38h: not really, although the language might sound just as funny as the asian languages for most people Nov 27 22:16:37 The strength of the penguin! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/8380412.stm Nov 27 22:17:03 SpeedEvil: tactical nuclear penguin? Nov 27 22:19:15 how do I direct keyboard input to my SDL app? Nov 27 22:20:10 Quibus: it should automatic get the input, if focused. Nov 27 22:20:55 johnsq: when I type a key, I get the Contacts app Nov 27 22:21:04 are you running app Nov 27 22:21:07 on scratchbox Nov 27 22:21:11 or on device Nov 27 22:21:12 yep Nov 27 22:21:14 scratchbox Nov 27 22:21:25 Quibus: you need to request input or something Nov 27 22:21:48 Stskeeps: "or something" :-) Nov 27 22:23:13 Quibus, just looking for the patch no Nov 27 22:23:55 Quibus: you have enabled in SDL the keyboard input? Nov 27 22:24:14 johnsq: on normal Debian it just gets keyboard input Nov 27 22:25:04 welcome to not so normal debian Nov 27 22:25:15 hildon-theme-cacher: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: hildon_g_scanner_cache_open Nov 27 22:25:18 wtf?! O_o Nov 27 22:25:50 Stskeeps: I know it's not so normal, just saying that the app itself should have keyboard input enabled Nov 27 22:25:54 vasily_pupkin: what are you trying to do? :P Nov 27 22:26:00 vasily_pupkin: If you're gonna replace GLib, at least ensure Nokia's modifications get applied to it Nov 27 22:26:27 btw. another tablet - another device that doesn't play a free and open file formats (ogg, flac) Nov 27 22:26:35 i just try to compile some stuff in scratchbox Nov 27 22:26:41 that much i expected to be there by default Nov 27 22:27:07 arachnist: context.. Nov 27 22:27:07 hm Nov 27 22:27:16 Quibus, XSetInputFocus() is the call thats needed. http://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/blob/master/src/liqx11info.c#L61 is my implementation i just call that when x11 tells me im ready Nov 27 22:27:21 what version of libgtk2.0-0 is by default in diablo? Nov 27 22:27:23 arachnist: you are free to install ogg-support debian package. Nov 27 22:27:25 arachnist: Ogg Support is in Extras. *yawn* Nov 27 22:27:43 arachnist: considering other platforms where you are not free to do so, i opt for the one where we can. Nov 27 22:28:32 lcuk: but the app is based on SDL, so it doesn't do anything with X calls Nov 27 22:28:36 (directly) Nov 27 22:28:49 Stskeeps: right. but it doesn't work - my .flacs still don't play in media player (and they do with mplayer/amarok on my laptop) Nov 27 22:28:54 sdl sits ontop of x11 Nov 27 22:28:55 Quibus: SDL allows it, no big problem. Nov 27 22:29:05 arachnist: submit a bug report? Nov 27 22:29:08 lcuk: I know Nov 27 22:29:53 every framework (from gtk qt liqbase efl etc have all had to make this patch for fremantle Nov 27 22:29:59 Quibus: You may find this thread insightful: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31696 Nov 27 22:30:11 Stskeeps: will do, once i find .flacs that do play. so far i think that the file container might be the case Nov 27 22:30:44 it seems that in my (SDL) app, red and blue are reversed Nov 27 22:30:50 Quibus: known bug Nov 27 22:31:03 yeah only on SDK Nov 27 22:31:07 it's fine on N900 Nov 27 22:31:08 Stskeeps: thanks for clearing that up Nov 27 22:31:08 Quibus: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 Nov 27 22:31:10 Bug 4870: Red & blue color channels swapped sometimes in SDK Nov 27 22:33:32 thanks Nov 27 22:33:55 If I compile it for armel, is someone willing to try to run it? Nov 27 22:34:28 my app has been in -testing for almost a month Nov 27 22:34:36 so the answer is, "eventually" Nov 27 22:34:47 Flandry: what app? Nov 27 22:34:58 uqm Nov 27 22:35:04 I mean, before packaging, just to see if it's running minimally Nov 27 22:35:09 up to 6 votel last i checked :) Nov 27 22:35:20 Quibus, i dont know what app it is or why i would want to try it Nov 27 22:35:38 post some pictures Nov 27 22:35:40 lcuk: it's an MSX emulator and you would want to try it to help me a bit Nov 27 22:35:46 http://openmsx.sf.net Nov 27 22:35:46 doh! Nov 27 22:36:04 but i wouldnt have any games to play on it Nov 27 22:36:11 I could provide those Nov 27 22:36:21 that could be interesteing Nov 27 22:36:24 really? Nov 27 22:36:34 You would supply gamesopenly Nov 27 22:36:34 lcuk: Metal Gear Nov 27 22:36:57 anything you play on fMSX :P Nov 27 22:37:10 i dunno, but an emulator without games isnt much use to me Nov 27 22:37:35 lcuk: MSX BASIC? =) Nov 27 22:37:37 lcuk: the games aren't the problem, trust me :-) Nov 27 22:37:50 then why are you tryingto push it Nov 27 22:38:04 qwerty i liked zx spectrum basic Nov 27 22:38:12 * lcuk has speccy installed and relives childhood Nov 27 22:38:45 Flandry: i mapped to "b" and "n" in setup Nov 27 22:39:01 need to reinstall Nov 27 22:39:37 it is a hard game to play f Nov 27 22:40:33 rfrom savestates, because it has such a branched/fuzzy-logic plot Nov 27 22:41:26 but i enjoy the begging most anyway. grand Nov 27 22:41:32 which control to 'b' and which to 'n'? Nov 27 22:42:18 yes it's hard to remember what has been done and what to do next Nov 27 22:42:46 maybe it should include a todo list app :D Nov 27 22:44:40 Flandry, bugzilla Nov 27 22:46:15 ? Nov 27 22:47:12 issue tracking Nov 27 22:47:25 keeps everything together and lets users submit things as well Nov 27 22:47:56 oh, you mean the xsbc-bug field Nov 27 22:49:01 i do Nov 27 22:49:06 absolute balls Nov 27 22:49:19 i just had winxp spend 20 mins scanning drives for something Nov 27 22:49:27 and then promptly closed the results window Nov 27 22:50:08 bugzilla uqm exists i just didn't want to throw out a month's worth of tests by pushing the next version out Nov 27 22:50:24 if it took less than a week to get 10 testers i wouldn't mind Nov 27 22:50:49 i actually have a bug report, which is what i was asking pupnik about Nov 27 22:51:57 Why is that thread still open Nov 27 22:51:58 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35255&goto=newpost Nov 27 22:55:52 hi Nov 27 22:56:30 extras-devel repo is like extras-testing but http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel right? Nov 27 22:56:56 how i become a maintainer of package in maemo.org? i've requested it about a week ago and it's been a "pending maintainer" since then? Nov 27 22:57:17 a second maintainer i mean Nov 27 23:04:17 mornin' Nov 27 23:10:26 FYI: worked around the input problem by not setting the Icon in SDL Nov 27 23:10:51 thanks for that forum link qwerty12_N900 Nov 27 23:12:30 lollllllllllllllllllllllllllll Nov 27 23:12:40 had my buddy in NY pick me up an n900 today and overnight it Nov 27 23:12:44 i go pick it up tomorrow morning Nov 27 23:12:52 _STOKED_ Nov 27 23:12:54 funny, I'm still using n810 for typing and grabbing it when I want web :) Nov 27 23:13:06 (n900 arrived today) Nov 27 23:13:23 UR NOT BETTER THAN ME Nov 27 23:14:21 oO Nov 27 23:17:42 hm, crtl+shift+x doesn't work in scratchbox Nov 27 23:18:11 asidjazz: Well, at least his writing style is better. Nov 27 23:20:22 hrm Nov 27 23:20:36 * jaem_n810 is running the sdk in a chroot on his N900 Nov 27 23:20:56 for some reason. basic sdk packages like svn aren't available Nov 27 23:21:07 does anyone know which repo that is in? Nov 27 23:22:37 i just use the host machine for that kind of stuff Nov 27 23:22:50 copy the stuff i need to /scratchbox user Nov 27 23:22:59 mm Nov 27 23:23:01 okay Nov 27 23:23:22 my sdk manages to fubar itself often enough without extra help ;) Nov 27 23:24:00 yipp, just happend here Nov 27 23:24:12 want to install connections switcher Nov 27 23:24:26 so i switched to using a vbox host Nov 27 23:24:32 so i can restore a good backup Nov 27 23:24:42 rather than reinstalling every other week Nov 27 23:24:50 of course, since doing that, it's been fine :P Nov 27 23:24:59 hmm, sounds like a plan Nov 27 23:29:12 Flandry: is crtl+shift+x working for you? Nov 27 23:29:37 haven't tried Nov 27 23:29:44 dependency checking doesn't seem to work properly in the scratchbox Nov 27 23:29:47 what's it supposed to do? Nov 27 23:29:54 According to the build system developer it's caused by the gcc-wrapper Nov 27 23:30:02 Flandry: open up a terminal Nov 27 23:30:17 Quibus: thanks for the info Nov 27 23:30:18 oh let me check Nov 27 23:30:36 Is this a known problem? Nov 27 23:31:10 tried both: keyboard grabed in xephyr and not Nov 27 23:32:47 well ctrl+shift is for grabbing keyboard, so i think that inteferes Nov 27 23:32:55 it keeps capturing just the x Nov 27 23:33:23 i suspect that changing the keys for xephyr might fix it Nov 27 23:34:01 are Debian packaging files a good start to create Maemo packaging? Nov 27 23:34:37 yes Nov 27 23:35:07 is there some kind of tutorial on how to transform them into Maemo packaging files? Nov 27 23:35:08 sometimes it just takes a few changes to control file Nov 27 23:35:24 i remember asking the same thing Nov 27 23:35:31 hey where's energy profiler for maemo, i saw it in screenshots! D: Nov 27 23:35:44 i think they basically told me to look at other packages for examples Nov 27 23:35:54 you did find the wiki pages on packaging? Nov 27 23:36:15 I'm going to start and shoot tmo users Nov 27 23:36:16 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=396975#post396975 Nov 27 23:36:32 Flandry: yeah, but they're quite extensive and not telling me what is different compared to Debian Nov 27 23:36:52 Quibus, wiki Nov 27 23:36:57 you might document what you discover :) Nov 27 23:37:00 http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openmsx.html <-- Debian packaging is already in place since a long time, so I am not going to reinvent the wheel :-) Nov 27 23:37:17 Quibus, the wiki covers all the steps Nov 27 23:37:36 crashanddie: thanks, I'll look for it there Nov 27 23:37:48 Quibus, there's even an app that downloads the sources from Debian, compiles it and links it, plus all the dependencies Nov 27 23:37:59 and packages it nicely Nov 27 23:38:03 not much difference, try changing the changelog to a maemo-appropriate release number and building Nov 27 23:38:08 crashanddie: wtf! Now you tell me! Nov 27 23:38:18 oh yeah, there is tha Nov 27 23:38:19 t Nov 27 23:38:20 Quibus, you never asked me Nov 27 23:38:23 i haven't tried it Nov 27 23:38:42 crashanddie: where can I get that? :-) Nov 27 23:38:54 dunno, search the web Nov 27 23:38:59 I always forget the name Nov 27 23:40:06 hm, can't quickly find it Nov 27 23:40:53 seriously, though Nov 27 23:41:12 you can probably change the version in changelog and build it Nov 27 23:41:21 if it fails it will probably give you an indication why Nov 27 23:41:48 What if I don't change the version even? :-) Nov 27 23:42:05 also i think the deb tools version is ancient for sdk, so you might have to set it back Nov 27 23:42:28 obviously that's fine, but not for a release Nov 27 23:45:07 wonderful, loads of email turn up late on Friday, at least I won't be bored next week! Nov 27 23:46:13 lardman, mark them all as read Nov 27 23:46:45 hmm, just realised I'd missed a really important one from last week, luckily the chap resent it! Nov 27 23:48:58 "Hi Simon, Would it be possible to get a status update on this? I don't seem to have received any reaction since last week. Thanks, Best regards, @@sig@" Nov 27 23:50:14 lardman, its only a problem if you ignore mails from your wife Nov 27 23:50:38 :) Nov 27 23:50:57 at least I realise the error of my ways that evening with her! :) Nov 27 23:51:12 for other people it probably comes across as being rude Nov 27 23:51:22 well for her too probably :D Nov 27 23:51:26 lol Nov 27 23:53:18 My last day at the office was a bit weird Nov 27 23:54:06 All the customers thought it was the best day to report all of their bloody issues to me, regardless of the fact they're now in prod and handed over to support, or that I communicated that some other guy would be taking the reins and they should contact him in the future Nov 27 23:54:50 They all (every single one) must've thought they were being very original, starting their phone call with "Hiya Seb, I know it's your last day and all but..." Nov 27 23:54:59 hi, there's a way to tell the Mail application what to with deleted emails while using Gmail IMAP? ie. I'd like to move them to Gmail/Trash folder while the applications remove them from the current folder but keep them inside Gmail/All Mail ... Nov 27 23:55:30 ertl, sadly, that's not supported through IMAP Nov 27 23:55:45 :) Nov 27 23:55:53 ertl, not a Maemo-specific issue though Nov 27 23:56:00 range: lol Nov 27 23:56:05 yo crashanddie, lardman Nov 27 23:56:11 crashanddie: ouch, thanks Nov 27 23:56:11 n900 comin tomorrow :) Nov 27 23:56:30 :( Nov 27 23:56:30 f imap Nov 27 23:56:37 * AakashPatel doesnt know when his is coming Nov 27 23:56:47 amazon ftw Nov 27 23:56:53 i want one, i'm just waiting for a good offer Nov 27 23:56:59 I missed the 360 offer :( Nov 27 23:57:01 asidjazz: mine prolly monday Nov 27 23:57:02 500 bucks is pretty god Nov 27 23:57:02 hi asidjazz Nov 27 23:57:04 Flandry: OK, building deb :-) Nov 27 23:57:11 crashanddie: somehow I managed to do it with mutt time ago, even if I don't know how :) Nov 27 23:57:40 ertl, maybe they have specific algorithms to deal with it, but that means they're copying the mail to a specific folder etc Nov 27 23:58:03 amazon.co.uk doesn't appear to have n900's either :( Nov 27 23:58:29 They're shipping them though Nov 27 23:58:44 http://twitter.com/#search?q=amazon%20n900 Nov 27 23:59:03 .co.uk!=.com Nov 27 23:59:14 indeed Nov 28 00:00:02 http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/searchresults.aspx?cache=9HOGHk2ivWz231QhJ7%2bTmAcOEpKIURZHwA1ykrOTmeuLbVhkQu1dwiIg7KzSSI2Acmad%2fgg7NYYF2phz%2bUpWfA%3d%3d&keyword=n900&culture=en-GB still says preorder Nov 28 00:00:30 I guess they don't have stock caught up with orders Nov 28 00:00:31 Oh Nov 28 00:00:31 woopse Nov 28 00:00:37 hehe sorry :) Nov 28 00:00:45 found out how i made n900 unusably slow. fill internal mem with videos and cam clips Nov 28 00:00:55 hehe yea, still preorder Nov 28 00:00:55 unit becomes unresponsive Nov 28 00:01:09 and £500 too, very pricey considering they was going for £360 the other day Nov 28 00:01:15 i'd rather wait a while for another deal to pop up Nov 28 00:01:37 271 here - but that offer expired 21 oct Nov 28 00:01:39 here (Italy) the prices are so bad for n900 .. luckily I got mine with a great discount, 479€ instead of 599€ Nov 28 00:01:40 it also causes errors due to cache not behing coherent with filesystem Nov 28 00:02:16 i deleted 5 videos, refreshed, and they are still there Nov 28 00:02:20 crashanddie, Talk users don't read anything. Nov 28 00:03:04 GAN900, ironic for a text-based bulletin board Nov 28 00:03:24 also whatever that indexer is using for data structures or algorithms is causing severe memory allocation hangups in all tasks - this is where my "10 second browser delays" were coming-from. Nov 28 00:04:17 +/in all/, affeccting all/ Nov 28 00:04:22 s Nov 28 00:04:24 damn Nov 28 00:04:43 pupnik, give me some of your affeeccttiioonn! Nov 28 00:05:09 oO Nov 28 00:05:13 any good movies I could watch? Nov 28 00:05:28 pupnik: which actions did you map to those two keys? Nov 28 00:05:29 yes Nov 28 00:05:43 that wasn't a yes or no question Nov 28 00:05:45 o forgot names Nov 28 00:06:08 sorry umm i love The Ladykillers Nov 28 00:06:37 Kind Hearts and Coronets to follow it up, if you liked the first Nov 28 00:06:58 pupnik: you mean the awesomebar? Nov 28 00:07:57 Flandry: ill give you answer in a min Nov 28 00:10:28 Flandry: OK, I got debs! :) But now I need a volunteer to test them :-) Nov 28 00:10:50 with armel target? Nov 28 00:10:57 yep Nov 28 00:11:08 ok good luck :D Nov 28 00:11:10 I used the Debian packaging as is Nov 28 00:11:23 Quibus, test it yourself please Nov 28 00:11:26 How can a user install debs explicitly? Nov 28 00:11:31 crashanddie: I don't have a device Nov 28 00:11:38 you've got scratchbox, same thing Nov 28 00:11:43 dpkg -i Nov 28 00:11:57 or fakeroot dpkg -i Nov 28 00:12:01 crashanddie: I understand, but a normal user doesn't have a terminal I suppose Nov 28 00:12:01 whatever the syntax is Nov 28 00:12:12 Quibus, and a normal user will not use your debs Nov 28 00:12:23 Quibus, also, debs are built on the autobuilder Nov 28 00:12:36 Quibus, you only provide the source code Nov 28 00:12:53 crashanddie: I want a normal user to try this on his real device before putting it up there Nov 28 00:13:05 no Nov 28 00:13:15 do not giveaway binaries just like that, please Nov 28 00:13:40 just to have it run at least once on a real device Nov 28 00:13:42 if you have packages you want to take ownership of, follow the tutorials and use the appropriate ways Nov 28 00:13:48 upload to the autobuilder as a real devel version is the best bet Nov 28 00:14:00 you will have access to thousands of people who are willing to test it Nov 28 00:14:03 allright Nov 28 00:14:13 thanks Nov 28 00:14:14 then it will be available on extras-devel directly through app manager Nov 28 00:14:56 darn Nov 28 00:15:18 The packages depend on C-BIOS (free system roms for MSX), and that one has a build dep on a Z80 assembler which isn't in extras-devel of course :S Nov 28 00:16:03 you'll have to package and upload that first then Nov 28 00:18:09 Flandry: as they're all in Debian, I could just as well just do completely nothing special and just upload the Debian stuff with revised versions Nov 28 00:18:57 if it's over a few hundred KB in size you'll have to optify it or it will never make it into extras Nov 28 00:19:33 Flandry: the openMSX package? Nov 28 00:19:58 whatever packages you are uploading Nov 28 00:20:31 if they are going to fill up the 256 MB rootfs, they have to be modified to install to /opt Nov 28 00:20:53 there's a program to help do it Nov 28 00:21:07 it's about 2.6MB Nov 28 00:21:11 maemo is debian based? Nov 28 00:21:14 but for an initial -devel upload that's not required obviously Nov 28 00:21:18 AakashPatel: yes Nov 28 00:21:20 AakashPatel, you think? Nov 28 00:21:24 Ah Nov 28 00:21:30 Hey, I'm new here Nov 28 00:21:30 :P Nov 28 00:21:37 AakashPatel, really, it's windows in disguise, but Linux sells better in these days of economic crisis Nov 28 00:21:39 Quibus: definitely have to optify that for extras acceptance Nov 28 00:21:52 haha sounds reasonable crashanddie :P Nov 28 00:25:53 Flandry: OK, I'll sort that out later Nov 28 00:25:56 good night now Nov 28 00:26:04 'night Nov 28 00:26:06 thanks for the help and all Nov 28 00:26:26 sure, it's a bit of a curve at first Nov 28 00:26:37 well, it's mostly Debian Nov 28 00:26:52 yup Nov 28 00:27:01 Best attempt is probably take Debian packaging as is and do minimal changes and upload Nov 28 00:33:43 haha, this one made me smile Nov 28 00:33:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dOFmJyBS68 Nov 28 00:34:51 Haha I saw taht one on tv Nov 28 00:38:13 * zerojay yawns. Nov 28 00:38:16 What a day. Nov 28 00:51:55 night all Nov 28 00:51:55 how i become a second maintainer of package in maemo.org? i've requested it about a week ago and it's been a "pending maintainer" since then? Nov 28 00:52:51 you are talking about garage? Nov 28 00:53:25 no, maemo.org, so i can promote packages from devel to testing Nov 28 00:53:48 but you didn't actually submit the package? Nov 28 00:54:25 i've no idea but the original maintainer must be around Nov 28 00:54:31 nope, i'm second developer of package.. i have rights to upload it in extras-devel, but not rights to promote it to extras-testing Nov 28 00:55:05 oh. So you uploaded a version to devel but can't promote Nov 28 00:55:31 yeah.. only a maintainer can Nov 28 00:55:45 promotion is basically broken for me anyway Nov 28 00:55:53 talk to jeremiah Nov 28 00:56:23 He's on now and then Nov 28 00:56:33 yeah i should ask when he's around Nov 28 00:56:35 thanks Nov 28 00:56:49 ~seen jeremiah Nov 28 00:56:51 jeremiah is currently on #maemo, last said: 'heh'. Nov 28 00:57:21 so, ask him your question and hopefully he can help when he's at the keyboard Nov 28 00:57:44 yeah i will Nov 28 00:57:45 that media indexer is going to die by my hand Nov 28 00:57:52 lol Nov 28 00:58:03 pupnik the crawler killer Nov 28 00:58:25 did you figure out what data structure it's using? Nov 28 00:58:38 it is like a wrt rat in a living room Nov 28 00:58:45 fat rat Nov 28 00:58:49 wet rat Nov 28 00:58:56 no Nov 28 00:59:20 o.o Nov 28 00:59:24 lol. Nov 28 00:59:25 i installed mplayer and am going back to my filesystem-based media viewing Nov 28 00:59:30 pupnik: wave yet? Nov 28 00:59:39 crawlers break on large datasets Nov 28 00:59:45 yes Nov 28 00:59:52 Sweet Nov 28 01:01:09 AakashPatel: part of getting old is that you want big innovations like a cure for cancer and dont get excited about every little corporate attempt to rebrand and sell an existing idea Nov 28 01:01:25 Lol I see Nov 28 01:01:29 * AakashPatel isnt old ;) Nov 28 01:01:43 neither is pupnik Nov 28 01:01:48 he just read that in a book Nov 28 01:01:51 old is relative here Nov 28 01:01:53 Haha Nov 28 01:02:02 pupnik: there already is a cure for cancer afaik it's just that no company wants to produce it because it's past it's 3 year exclusive rights Nov 28 01:02:11 i saw some article about it once Nov 28 01:02:18 :) Nov 28 01:02:21 yeah it's called death Nov 28 01:02:33 lies :P Nov 28 01:02:34 CShadowRun, yes, and Obama is actually a robot and some guy in China is controlling him Nov 28 01:02:40 lol Nov 28 01:02:43 totally! Nov 28 01:02:49 CShadowRun, and also, they never went on the moon Nov 28 01:02:50 china has spy cameras in the water too. Nov 28 01:03:06 CShadowRun, even worse, 9/11 was an inside job, in order to enslave the american people! Nov 28 01:03:28 And microsoft help apple make osx Nov 28 01:03:30 i like jello Nov 28 01:03:31 haha Nov 28 01:03:36 anybody claiming a cure for cancer clearly doesn't know enough biochemistry to realize that there can never be a single ucre Nov 28 01:03:37 cure Nov 28 01:04:02 anyone claiming knowing enough about science to say there will "never be something for x" is an ignorant fool Nov 28 01:04:11 men fly on a daily basis ;) Nov 28 01:04:22 the world is round, and no, the universe doesn't gravitate around us Nov 28 01:04:31 yes it does Nov 28 01:04:46 but only on fridays. Nov 28 01:04:54 YES Nov 28 01:04:56 and leap years Nov 28 01:04:57 today is friday Nov 28 01:05:23 only for you :P Nov 28 01:05:34 :0 Nov 28 01:05:48 it's caturday here. Nov 28 01:05:49 Flandry: Then..is it a saturday for you? Nov 28 01:05:50 i've been stuck in Monday for at least a fortnight Nov 28 01:06:01 Lol Nov 28 01:06:06 also, Nokia didn't release the N900 because really, the 770, n800, n810 and n900 are all part of a very elaborate conspiracy to be able to see how the world would react when deceived Nov 28 01:06:30 it's those damn sociologists, they're to blame Nov 28 01:06:53 with their space ships. Nov 28 01:07:12 no, those are aliens, AKA PhD in Math Nov 28 01:07:22 xD Nov 28 01:07:32 I can go on for hours ;) Nov 28 01:07:39 well, not hours, I have a flight to the US to catch Nov 28 01:07:42 haha Nov 28 01:08:19 mmm food Nov 28 01:08:21 brb Nov 28 01:08:32 * Flandry met a man in Miami once who claimed that GM shut him down and made him a fugitive because he invented a better engine Nov 28 01:09:19 and the ghosts in Pac-Man are named Inky, Blinky, Pinky and Clyde Nov 28 01:09:40 oh great, here come's a lawsuit Nov 28 01:09:47 comes Nov 28 01:09:53 ha Nov 28 01:10:04 here's an experiment for you guys Nov 28 01:10:15 1 is written "one", right? Nov 28 01:10:16 that apostrophe sneaking in wherever these days Nov 28 01:10:20 2 is written "two" Nov 28 01:10:48 keep counting, until you reach a number with the letter "a" Nov 28 01:11:36 (i know the most useless facts) Nov 28 01:12:55 funniest part is, some people in this channel are actually counting and trying to find one Nov 28 01:13:07 and when quizzed about it, most of you will say "Nha, I wasn't doing it" Nov 28 01:13:23 nah i've never found that kind of game interesting Nov 28 01:13:37 exhibit a Nov 28 01:13:39 if a computer can solve it faster, it's generally more fun to solve that problem Nov 28 01:14:09 i was actually trying to think of a good analogy for the single cure for cancer Nov 28 01:14:26 the best i came up with is a single cure for N900 problems Nov 28 01:14:53 Flandry: reboot! Nov 28 01:14:53 haha Nov 28 01:15:11 you either have to defeat each one separately or invent better hardware/software Nov 28 01:15:20 one hundred and one Nov 28 01:15:33 lol Nov 28 01:16:14 kynky, wrong :) Nov 28 01:16:43 it's a, of course Nov 28 01:16:49 thousand Nov 28 01:16:49 we're using hex, right? Nov 28 01:17:04 lol Nov 28 01:18:03 one hundred and one is before a thousand Nov 28 01:18:29 excepted that "and" isn't a number... Nov 28 01:19:41 nither is a thousand, its the englis representation, a thosand is still 1000, and one hundred and one is still 101, but the firs english representation of a number in base 10 with an a in it is one hundred and one Nov 28 01:19:55 i dont say one hundred one Nov 28 01:20:27 and it's the guy with the worst spelling ever who's going to give us a lecture about "english" Nov 28 01:20:28 amazing Nov 28 01:20:43 yep, blame lovely wireless kb :) Nov 28 01:20:57 to late to check Nov 28 01:21:06 but principle is there Nov 28 01:39:12 back Nov 28 01:42:49 looks like nintendo just lost at least $40 they could have had. Nov 28 01:43:55 dmj726: which $40 is that? Nov 28 01:44:00 dmj726: also, I'm sure that they don't really care what with their money printing machines and all Nov 28 01:44:15 they're never going to get me to buy a wiimote for the n900 Nov 28 01:44:17 and orbital mind control Nov 28 01:44:56 dmj726: because they are investigating whether Nokia infringed on their copyright? Nov 28 01:44:59 * dmj726 wouldn't want a wii, but the wiimote might be nice for emulation and other uses Nov 28 01:45:03 and intergalactic super lawyers which feed on the souls of young children? Nov 28 01:45:04 dmj726: they didn't even sue yet Nov 28 01:45:17 unless I missed that Nov 28 01:45:33 yeah...and there's no emulator in extras anymore...read: little use for wiimote Nov 28 01:45:44 ah, I see, it was taken out? Nov 28 01:46:02 it's not like Nintendo took it out Nov 28 01:46:12 and anyways, you could just download it manually Nov 28 01:46:17 I'm sure it's available somewhere Nov 28 01:46:18 how? Nov 28 01:46:26 a maemoized version? Nov 28 01:46:47 i know that there are a few mirrors... Nov 28 01:46:50 I'm sure the repos didn't have the only copy of it Nov 28 01:46:56 mirrors? Nov 28 01:47:16 first of all there's bound to be a version control repository somewhere that the developers use Nov 28 01:47:19 etc. Nov 28 01:47:34 the source code is still available in garage for drnoksnes Nov 28 01:47:52 yeah Nov 28 01:47:55 so just build it yourself Nov 28 01:48:33 perhaps we need an extras-ugly Nov 28 01:49:03 perhaps people should host repos for packages that nokia won't. Nov 28 01:49:14 I'm surprised that there isn't one Nov 28 01:49:14 NO Nov 28 01:49:17 are you sure there's not? Nov 28 01:49:23 feck off with your stupid ideas Nov 28 01:49:25 bloody hell Nov 28 01:49:37 we worked for YEARS to not have everyone host their own bloody repo Nov 28 01:49:38 crashanddie: a 3rd party repo is a stupid idea? Nov 28 01:49:47 you're not going to undo all that good work just for a stupid emulator Nov 28 01:50:11 so don't have an emulator? Nov 28 01:50:15 no Nov 28 01:50:21 ouch Nov 28 01:50:31 crashanddie: NO Nov 28 01:50:33 work with Nokia to either disconnect maemo.org from any legal obligation towards Nokia corporation Nov 28 01:50:43 Stskeeps: ? Nov 28 01:50:51 you weren't kidding about jericho.. what a crappy ending :) Nov 28 01:50:52 Perhaps have *one* third party repo like medibuntu Nov 28 01:50:54 or have a nice discussion with them to understand the emulator isn't infringing anything Nov 28 01:51:04 Macer, yeah, horrendous eh Nov 28 01:51:15 Isn't there even a DMCA exemption for emulators? Nov 28 01:51:22 if Nokia is the one deciding what gets to be on the Maemo extras repo, I'd say you didn't do a very good job in making sure we don't need 3rd party repos Nov 28 01:51:24 I think there is come to think of it. Nov 28 01:51:35 it was a mild suggestion anyway Nov 28 01:51:44 unless of course it wasn't even Nokia that removed it Nov 28 01:51:51 dmj726, oh yeah, the DMCA helps a lot in europe Nov 28 01:52:04 crashanddie: heh Nov 28 01:52:13 EUCD Nov 28 01:52:13 yeah. the ending i suppose had a bit of closure Nov 28 01:52:14 but it still sucked :) Nov 28 01:52:16 agree'd, don't be hostile towards 3rd party repos Nov 28 01:52:16 Europe doesn't even have DMCA like laws I don't think. Nov 28 01:52:19 they are a good thing Nov 28 01:52:25 dmj726: we have EUCD Nov 28 01:52:36 no, 3rd party repos aren't a good thing Nov 28 01:52:42 why not? Nov 28 01:52:48 we had people running around with 50+ repos installed on their devices Nov 28 01:52:50 conflicts everywhere Nov 28 01:52:58 everyone pushing their own binaries onto every single device Nov 28 01:53:00 -un! Nov 28 01:53:00 Does the EUCD restrice format shifting? Nov 28 01:53:11 dmj726: I think so Nov 28 01:53:20 ubuntu seems to handle it ok Nov 28 01:53:28 package conflicts. welcome to the world of linux package management Nov 28 01:53:30 stuff happens Nov 28 01:53:33 dmj726: actually maybe not... you can't break DRM though, I think Nov 28 01:53:35 indeed Nov 28 01:53:37 we do not want pre-compiled binaries running on anyone's device Nov 28 01:53:49 Ubuntu has snes emulators and they're just fine Nov 28 01:54:01 the whole point about the builder we have in place, along with the full QA process is to ensure everyone has properly tested software on their devices Nov 28 01:54:17 you know how thick people are on TMO. As soon as something doesn't work "NOKIA ARE WANKERS AND PLONKERS" Nov 28 01:54:18 you can't censor an open OS Nov 28 01:54:19 crashanddie: I think we do need one repo that's detached from Nokia though Nov 28 01:54:21 I actually specifically want to install random .deb files on the N900. That's a major feature for me Nov 28 01:54:26 no, we don't Nov 28 01:54:31 there is no real good reason to do so Nov 28 01:54:36 the repos aren't linked to Nokia Nov 28 01:54:36 crashanddie: it's a SNES emulator now. tomorrow it might be something more important Nov 28 01:54:39 right Nov 28 01:54:47 crashanddie: well why did the emulator get pulled out then? Nov 28 01:54:54 Does Nokia have the ability to censor the repos? Nov 28 01:55:05 knee-jerk reaction from legal? Nov 28 01:55:26 Maybe they just heard something, and pulled it out of fear. I am sure we will be able to discuss this nicely with Nokia and have the app back there in no time Nov 28 01:55:32 The censorship issue is one reason I will never develop an iphone app. Nov 28 01:55:37 so please, no cataclysmic reaction just yet Nov 28 01:55:43 there is NO censorship Nov 28 01:55:57 currently, the servers are hosted/paid for by Nokia Nov 28 01:55:57 there is no spoon. Nov 28 01:56:00 dmj726: try censoring http://pupnik.de/software.html Nov 28 01:56:01 They're jsut controlling how its distributed :P Nov 28 01:56:07 crashanddie: most people who know how to modify their apt sources will know the consequences. Nov 28 01:56:09 right Nov 28 01:56:26 they have a legal obligation to their shareholders to make sure they won't get sued for a stupid mistake Nov 28 01:56:34 once that is cleared up, everything will be back to normal Nov 28 01:56:47 the point of the extras fdevel and ftesting is to get apps to end-users Nov 28 01:56:51 What happened? Nov 28 01:56:51 madmikeuk: except when it's "you can get an SNES emulator if you do this!" then suddenly a lot of clueless people are doing it Nov 28 01:57:03 pekuja: touch. Nov 28 01:57:03 in extras, which moost users will enable Nov 28 01:57:04 indeed, nokia make it clear that enabling root is unsupported Nov 28 01:57:05 I've been hearing all these legal convo's here Nov 28 01:57:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEwPqZQcTs8&feature=player_embedded Nov 28 01:57:06 and that's fine, we get that Nov 28 01:57:16 omg Nov 28 01:57:19 oh god Nov 28 01:57:21 that is gross Nov 28 01:57:30 madmikeuk, you have a device which has unrestricted access to your SIM card, contacts and email, you're going to run binaries from an unknown third party? Nov 28 01:57:43 madmikeuk, seriously? Hang on, lemme send you some script I wrote, just for a quick test Nov 28 01:57:53 Loll Nov 28 01:57:58 lol Nov 28 01:58:13 crashanddie: yes, i am Nov 28 01:58:16 How directly does Nokia control Maemo.org? Nov 28 01:58:20 seriously, are you trying to create windows or something? Nov 28 01:58:25 crashanddie: you have a computer with unrestricted access to your email, contacts and internet history, and anything else stored on it, from some unknown party? Nov 28 01:58:38 exactly Nov 28 01:58:46 why is nokia more trustworthy than an open source developer Nov 28 01:58:50 touche madmikeuk Nov 28 01:58:53 what is that argument? Nov 28 01:59:06 Nokia has nothing to do with it for crying out loud Nov 28 01:59:10 crashanddie: who is nokia to decide who i do and don't trust? Nov 28 01:59:14 where did i blame nokia? Nov 28 01:59:20 for fucks sake you thick idiot Nov 28 01:59:30 crashanddie: deep breaths ;) Nov 28 01:59:33 CShadowRun, it's the community that runs the QA processes Nov 28 01:59:47 we set up the bloody builder, we pushed for that Nov 28 01:59:49 not Nokia Nov 28 02:00:14 and that's good, the fact that you've got everything most people will need in the repositories is excellent, that's what will make the device great Nov 28 02:00:22 well I congratulate your work. but accept one thing: one size does not fit all Nov 28 02:00:24 but don't turn into an iPhone and only allow people to install applications that are in the repo. Nov 28 02:00:29 exactly Nov 28 02:00:32 crashanddie's words bear consideration Nov 28 02:00:43 CShadowRun: but don't turn into an iPhone and only allow people to install applications that are in the repo. Nov 28 02:00:48 understand this guys: Nokia does not control the repos Nov 28 02:00:57 I severly doubt they will *ever* do that Nov 28 02:01:00 okay, then who removed drnok? Nov 28 02:01:04 AakashPatel: true :) Nov 28 02:01:17 dmj726: could just have been a C+D notice Nov 28 02:01:43 can't you just say bugger off to those if you know you've got a case? Nov 28 02:01:56 dmj726: you can but they can still cost you money Nov 28 02:01:56 maybe they don't want to risk it Nov 28 02:02:12 nintendo have some very smart lawyers Nov 28 02:02:21 yeah Nov 28 02:02:23 wtf Nov 28 02:02:28 ftw Nov 28 02:02:31 wtf does debian install for smtp? Nov 28 02:02:37 pupnik: that PS1 emulator looks interesting, i use pcsx on my ubuntu box. Reckon it'd run well on the N900? Nov 28 02:02:39 i have a port conflict and can't seem to figure out what is using it Nov 28 02:02:42 sendmail? Nov 28 02:02:43 sendmail and postfix aren't installed Nov 28 02:02:44 postfix? Nov 28 02:02:46 hmm Nov 28 02:02:49 perhaps this needs to find it's way to a few blogger's headlines. Nov 28 02:03:07 Macer: I remember this happened to you before on something else lol Nov 28 02:03:11 * CShadowRun hands dmj726 a "I'm blogging this" T-Shirt Nov 28 02:03:19 Guys, at this point we don't even know what the hell happened to "drnok". For all we know, it could just be a glitch or whatever (very suspicious glitch I agree, but still) Nov 28 02:03:25 macer: any apps using UPnP? Nov 28 02:03:28 ;) Nov 28 02:03:29 I just ask you for patience Nov 28 02:03:35 Who manages the repos? Nov 28 02:03:44 the same suspicious glitch that wiped all the other nintendo emus? ;) Nov 28 02:03:47 We should ask them about it. Nov 28 02:03:49 I expect there will be an explanation as to exactly what happened on monday, but from what I heard earlier, there was discussion on this Nov 28 02:03:52 Please allow the council, and the community members involved to understand what has happened Nov 28 02:03:54 Was drnok an app or something? Nov 28 02:03:56 there's already a thread on talk for it Nov 28 02:03:57 yeah Nov 28 02:04:04 I see Nov 28 02:04:08 snes emulator Nov 28 02:04:13 Ohh Nov 28 02:04:14 wtf Nov 28 02:04:19 dmj726, they're contractors Nov 28 02:04:20 is there a wayy to find out what is using the port? Nov 28 02:04:22 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35248 Nov 28 02:04:23 Shit happens...thats life ;) Nov 28 02:04:24 drnoksnes, to be exact Nov 28 02:04:32 dmj726, they're paid for by Nokia, but work for the Community Nov 28 02:04:34 in particular: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=397055&postcount=37 Nov 28 02:05:14 i'm not fussed though, i can just compile a copy of it using the garage tarball in the fremantle sdk Nov 28 02:05:16 Macer: Hmm i remember seeing some command :/ Nov 28 02:05:18 so please, just allow it to settle Nov 28 02:05:18 * AakashPatel forgot it Nov 28 02:05:19 shit Nov 28 02:05:24 stop pushing the buttons on TMO Nov 28 02:05:32 the only thing we're doing is creating a shitstorm Nov 28 02:05:45 crashanddie: TMO? Nov 28 02:05:51 talk.maemo.org Nov 28 02:05:52 ah, talk.maemo.org Nov 28 02:06:02 I don't want to see all the good work that has been done around repos destroyed just because of this Nov 28 02:06:09 if (and I emphasise if) there is a need for a shitstorm, it can wait for next week, when there will likely be more information about this Nov 28 02:06:17 arent you going to aus crashanddie ? Nov 28 02:06:25 crashanddie: nobody's destroying the work right now. we're just talking about the issue here Nov 28 02:06:27 lcuk, leaving to california on sunday Nov 28 02:06:43 pekuja, and talking about "creating a repo nokia has no control over" Nov 28 02:06:49 version 1.2.4 was on maemo , but version 1.2.2 tarball on garage ? Nov 28 02:06:58 i think ill finally be using the name lookup you wrote seb :) Nov 28 02:07:00 thanks Nov 28 02:07:06 lcuk, heh Nov 28 02:07:22 ive revived the irc app Nov 28 02:07:31 exim ;) Nov 28 02:07:38 Don't forget, if need be, you can always install a .deb directly from garage, or whatever the host is Nov 28 02:07:44 but for the love of god, no repositories, please Nov 28 02:07:46 I hope we never need a Medimaemo repo Nov 28 02:07:56 crashanddie: yeah, to which you say "NO! FUCK YOU GUYS, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT" instead of "actually, the current ones aren't controlled by Nokia, so there's probably something else happening behind the scenes" Nov 28 02:07:59 seriously guys, you weren't here at the time Nov 28 02:08:08 nor were you Nov 28 02:08:12 yes, I was Nov 28 02:08:42 lcuk, memory issues mate? we joined at the same time Nov 28 02:08:48 crashanddie: but maybe it's a war flashback type thing, so I understand ;-) Nov 28 02:08:50 exactly Nov 28 02:08:56 lcuk, and builder didn't exist ;) Nov 28 02:09:05 #and the repo history problem was well in hand on n800s Nov 28 02:09:49 we arrived as a solution was being formulated Nov 28 02:09:49 pekuja, "THIS IS MY WAAAAAAAAR, ADRIAAAAAAANE" Nov 28 02:09:49 the problem well existed before us Nov 28 02:10:00 I didn't say it started with us, thank god for that Nov 28 02:10:13 I just remember the outfall Nov 28 02:10:16 you sebastian are personally at fault for the repo cockup Nov 28 02:10:23 come on, hold your hands up :p Nov 28 02:10:29 \o/ Nov 28 02:11:25 I remember the shitload of stupid things there were, different repos with their own search engines, absolutely no control, and plus, once Nokia will implement the "Platform Security", there's going to be a lot more restriction as to what can and can't be installed Nov 28 02:11:27 crashanddie: so what's your involvement in Maemo? Nov 28 02:11:35 pekuja, official troll Nov 28 02:11:39 haha, ok Nov 28 02:11:45 (at least he's honest about it) Nov 28 02:12:18 pekuja, I used to be a dev, kinda, worked on a few things here and there Nov 28 02:12:29 pekuja, then work happened, and not a lot of time to write code Nov 28 02:12:40 :-/ Nov 28 02:12:49 so I just started to hack people rather than hack code Nov 28 02:13:38 Command not recognized Nov 28 02:13:47 >.< Nov 28 02:15:28 Oh look, someone told me I'm a double faced bastard on TMO, has nice Nov 28 02:16:14 TMO talk.maemo.org Nov 28 02:16:39 crashanddie: wait, you're not? :o Nov 28 02:16:43 * w00t is grossly misinformed! Nov 28 02:16:45 TMO is troll or be trolled most of the time Nov 28 02:17:01 w00t, as lcuk can attest, if I were double faced, would I be wearing this one? Nov 28 02:17:13 crashanddie: true. I expect you'd rather not break mirrors :-) Nov 28 02:17:14 Curses whoever took aakashpatel nickname on garage! Nov 28 02:17:19 * AakashPatel has to use aakashbpatel :( Nov 28 02:17:36 * lcuk puts his hands up Nov 28 02:18:17 * AakashPatel kicks lcuk Nov 28 02:18:23 crash, yes you are 2 faced, AakashPatel has this ever happened before? or is this the first ever time your doppleganger has got in there before you Nov 28 02:18:33 lcuk, I'm not 2 faced! Nov 28 02:18:37 how am I 2 faced? Nov 28 02:18:45 * lcuk laughs Nov 28 02:18:46 Im biplar Nov 28 02:18:49 because if it was all in one piece it would be too ugly for anyone to tolerate Nov 28 02:18:49 bipolar Nov 28 02:18:49 haha Nov 28 02:18:51 * w00t ducks Nov 28 02:19:16 crashanddie, if you are being called in in tmo, obviously its true Nov 28 02:19:22 lcuk, lol Nov 28 02:19:26 hah Nov 28 02:19:31 lcuk: Rarely ever happens lol Nov 28 02:19:41 lcuk, i don't give a crap about tmo, I do care about your opinion though Nov 28 02:19:46 then wtf are you lot gettin on your high horses about Nov 28 02:19:53 .me nods Nov 28 02:20:33 seb i know its nearly your last day, but theres a security problem in the java class im editing Nov 28 02:20:40 oh ffs Nov 28 02:20:46 :D Nov 28 02:21:04 bastard, you got me Nov 28 02:21:26 haha Nov 28 02:21:30 * crashanddie throws a fag to lcuk Nov 28 02:21:31 * lcuk gets back to code Nov 28 02:21:36 ta Nov 28 02:21:48 oh, my paycheck! Nov 28 02:21:49 w00t Nov 28 02:21:54 hm? Nov 28 02:22:18 sorry Nov 28 02:22:27 :( Nov 28 02:22:32 nobody wants to talk to poor old me Nov 28 02:22:41 it's one of my favourite "sounds" Nov 28 02:22:51 I w00t a lot Nov 28 02:23:15 * w00t feels unloved Nov 28 02:23:23 Hm how come on maemo.org when you enter your garage username and pass it doesnt redirect you to the garage.maemo.org website, instead keeps asking you for your credentials Nov 28 02:23:33 is there a pattern match thing that will store away the pattern results in an array or collection Nov 28 02:23:46 AakashPatel: have you registered on garage? it's seperate from maemo.org/talk Nov 28 02:23:49 Yeah Nov 28 02:23:50 AakashPatel, search for SSO on TMO or BMO Nov 28 02:23:55 AakashPatel, cos its not sure you are who you say you are, so it mst confirm Nov 28 02:24:10 lcuk: lol Nov 28 02:24:19 crashanddie: sso, bmo Nov 28 02:24:22 sweet mother of jesus Nov 28 02:24:22 what do those stand for lol Nov 28 02:24:25 obviously theres a fake you around Nov 28 02:24:29 AakashPatel, single sign-on Nov 28 02:24:34 oh okay Nov 28 02:24:36 AakashPatel, bugs.maemo.org Nov 28 02:24:39 i see Nov 28 02:24:57 wtm tla ioi Nov 28 02:25:06 all the accounts are borkened but there are ninja hamsters running around trying to bring them all together Nov 28 02:25:08 (way too many three letter acronyms in our industry) Nov 28 02:25:12 * AakashPatel 's brain farts Nov 28 02:25:19 Hah true that Nov 28 02:25:59 AakashPatel, basically there's an effort going on trying to establish a web-sso system that would allow all systems part of maemo.org to function using the same credentials Nov 28 02:26:20 Awesome Nov 28 02:26:30 AakashPatel, however it is quite a tricky process, as each solution to the issue has major drawbacks, so it requires careful planning Nov 28 02:26:52 very understandable Nov 28 02:27:08 you do something? YOU BETTER DUN IT RIGHT Nov 28 02:27:17 haha i forgot whats taht off of Nov 28 02:27:50 Obviously, as the Lead Technical Consultant for ActivIdentity Professional Services, I would recommend using ActivIdentity 4TRESS Authentication Server in conjunction with ActivIdentity SecureLogin Single Sign-On, the industry-standard in terms of Enterprise-level security! Nov 28 02:28:17 GeneralAntilles, can I get the official "Maemo/Spammer" hostmask? Nov 28 02:28:29 Haha you should be their spokesman also Nov 28 02:28:54 :0 Nov 28 02:29:00 that would be the coolest hostmask ever Nov 28 02:29:11 well, in here at least Nov 28 02:29:12 lol Nov 28 02:29:13 true Nov 28 02:30:47 * AakashPatel wants ;) Nov 28 02:30:52 for $i in [~$query(/list channels)] -command=/join $i -tempo 0.3 -command=/say $i "Are you looking for a new corporate phone? May I suggest looking into the Maemo platform. For more information, /join #maemo or visit http://www.maemo.org" Nov 28 02:31:36 bonus points for those who recognise the syntax Nov 28 02:31:48 erm Nov 28 02:31:59 PHP? Nov 28 02:32:02 * AakashPatel doesnt know Nov 28 02:32:02 haha Nov 28 02:32:11 oh wait wtf Nov 28 02:32:16 PHP as a scripting language? ;) Nov 28 02:32:17 * AakashPatel hits himself in the face for saying PHP Nov 28 02:32:25 err, "irc scripting language" Nov 28 02:33:10 Oh hm, i really havent looked into scripts on IRC too much Nov 28 02:33:25 too much/at all* Nov 28 02:34:50 lcuk, I just got paid, and it includes my upgrade salary for my new position in oz ;) Nov 28 02:35:35 cool, so you can afford 2 hookers and still have enough for a 4pack of XXXX Nov 28 02:36:03 LOL Nov 28 02:36:10 pretty much Nov 28 02:36:25 good on ya Nov 28 02:36:33 how long you stateside, was it 2 weeks? Nov 28 02:36:39 nearly 3 in total Nov 28 02:36:51 What state? Nov 28 02:36:52 but won't be back in the UK until 5th Jan Nov 28 02:36:56 AakashPatel, california Nov 28 02:37:05 Nice Nov 28 02:37:05 1 week holiday, 10 days for the cavity inspection retests Nov 28 02:37:37 I'm officially going to live in hotels for the next 11 weeks Nov 28 02:37:45 bring back the .install file :F Nov 28 02:38:05 wow Nov 28 02:39:09 nobody will rent to you? Nov 28 02:39:20 why would I rent? Company paying Nov 28 02:39:39 i would ask for the money in cash Nov 28 02:39:45 Doesn't work that way Nov 28 02:39:46 lol Nov 28 02:39:57 i can negotiate Nov 28 02:40:05 not with our finance team you can't Nov 28 02:40:29 the CFO has an automatic reply for his emails. As soon as there is a question mark in an email he receives, a response is being sent out "NO" Nov 28 02:40:32 mhm h well Nov 28 02:40:35 easiest job in the world Nov 28 02:40:41 lol Nov 28 02:41:15 Hahaha Nov 28 02:41:17 "Do you mind if we pay ourselves out of company accounts?" Nov 28 02:42:58 500 strong company Nov 28 02:43:02 brb Nov 28 02:43:08 one man only has the legal right to sign documents Nov 28 02:43:12 the CFO Nov 28 02:43:58 anyway, nearly 3AM Nov 28 02:44:02 I'm out Nov 28 02:44:03 take care Nov 28 02:57:20 i just finished installing the sdk Nov 28 02:57:46 starting xephyr opens up another black terminal? What is that. Nov 28 02:58:11 and what does scratchbox contain>? Nov 28 02:59:26 what os? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 28 02:59:56 2009