**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 17 02:59:58 2009 Dec 17 03:15:23 hmm Dec 17 03:15:27 not a single crash today Dec 17 03:26:49 is it really bad to use extras-devel on the device? most packages should be fine Dec 17 03:52:24 xorAxAx: no majors here Dec 17 04:02:30 xorAxAx, it's dangerous, yes. Dec 17 04:05:59 hello Dec 17 05:44:46 everybodybuddy fell asleep? Dec 17 05:45:09 hi Dec 17 05:45:42 hello Dec 17 05:52:42 probably Dec 17 06:22:01 Reflect 0.72 now in exteras! Conversations now highly visible! Dec 17 06:22:15 What is Reflect? =) Dec 17 06:22:37 A theme :) Dec 17 06:22:58 * ml-mobile looks Dec 17 06:40:20 joppu, not sure about the blue. Dec 17 06:40:42 I'd prefer it a few notches more subtle. Dec 17 06:44:33 so Dec 17 06:44:41 anyone try the fennec nightly releases? Dec 17 06:44:47 firefox mobile? Dec 17 06:49:24 hmhm, is there a way to import sms from another phone? Dec 17 06:49:29 seems they are not on the sim card Dec 17 06:51:17 Hmm... where's the fremantle promotion interface? Dec 17 06:51:56 GAN900: blue on what part? Dec 17 07:01:39 http://vimeo.com/7235817 awsome Dec 17 07:10:40 Corsac: SMS are rarely stored on SIM nowadays. SIM storage space is really severely limited for SMS. So all phones store (most of ) SMS in internal storage Dec 17 07:10:54 yeah Dec 17 07:11:14 I used wammu to get my sms from my SE Phone, no I have them on xml format or gammu format Dec 17 07:11:24 and found http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37354 Dec 17 07:11:33 so I might be able to fit the stuff together Dec 17 07:20:33 hmm Dec 17 07:22:46 hmm interesting Dec 17 07:23:01 hmh, are there python bindings for that osso stuff? Dec 17 07:23:28 I'm not sure I want to transform that xml stuff into csv but I'd prefer to doing xml in C either :) Dec 17 07:23:30 the dashboard little menu thing where it shows your volume and availability etc.. doesnt show more then 6 items Dec 17 07:23:33 which kind of sucks Dec 17 07:34:30 hmhm, and the “Internet connection” stuff doesn't show the ip address Dec 17 07:42:52 is it still hidden Dec 17 07:43:32 I don't have the final version, but it used to be available when you click the title bar and properties from there Dec 17 07:51:07 in the title bar I have “internet connection” but that only displays the ssid Dec 17 07:51:54 hmmh, and is the n810 “chr” key gone? (like, to be able to type accentuated chars in qwerty) Dec 17 07:52:48 Corsac: nope i ven't try to use freeplayer. ... what is it ? Dec 17 07:52:53 Hi everybody :) Dec 17 07:53:36 Khertan: is you adsl provider free? Dec 17 07:53:38 your* Dec 17 07:54:02 nope :) Dec 17 07:54:11 that's why you don't know Dec 17 07:55:37 lol... Just got a "defect tracking" excel spreadsheet sent to me by a customer Dec 17 07:55:53 This is pretty normal, they track the defects, etc Dec 17 07:56:08 what isn't normal, is that the spreadsheet is 15MB Dec 17 07:57:26 must have alot of defects? Dec 17 07:59:55 nope Dec 17 07:59:59 6 defects in total Dec 17 08:00:07 none of them higher than "minor Dec 17 08:00:09 a massive edit history? Dec 17 08:00:12 or enhancement Dec 17 08:00:36 is there anyone at sygic working here Dec 17 08:00:43 im intrested to be a beta tester Dec 17 08:00:50 of there navigation software >_< Dec 17 08:01:08 their? Dec 17 08:01:47 yes their :\ Dec 17 08:02:25 Still spell checking everybody sentences crashanddie_mbp :) Dec 17 08:02:28 Hi crashanddie_mbp Dec 17 08:02:36 yo Khertan Dec 17 08:02:40 Khertan: still, yes Dec 17 08:02:51 spellchecking :P Dec 17 08:02:59 héhé Dec 17 08:03:00 and there come the bots Dec 17 08:05:48 anyway, I have to wake up in about 5 hours to catch my flight back to Europe Dec 17 08:05:56 I'm kinda happy to be leaving California Dec 17 08:06:14 aaah, Europe, my beloved continent... You know... Where the history comes from :P Dec 17 08:06:21 :) Dec 17 08:06:33 at this temp, I'd rather be in California :P Dec 17 08:06:49 adeus: I'm moving to Australia in early Jan Dec 17 08:06:56 any suggestions for a class 6 MicroSDHC card for n900? rumor says A-Data and RiData have had some issues. transcend maybe? Dec 17 08:07:02 Just under 30C at the moment Dec 17 08:07:10 same here Dec 17 08:07:11 i wonder if sygic will be as bad as Ovi maps :D Dec 17 08:07:14 only -30 Dec 17 08:07:30 -25 Dec 17 08:07:35 -8 Dec 17 08:07:45 -6 Dec 17 08:07:55 and it s snowing ... Dec 17 08:07:58 Australia sounds good as well Dec 17 08:08:15 want to be burned alive? Move to Australia! Dec 17 08:08:44 they still have witchhunts? :) Dec 17 08:08:58 lol no.. Wildfires Dec 17 08:09:18 adeus: but im sure your n900 will make you look like you have magic in your hands Dec 17 08:10:04 flux: actually class 4 is enough Dec 17 08:10:16 my n900 is still in the shop :( Dec 17 08:10:20 arkenoi, enough in that n900 can't perform faster? Dec 17 08:10:27 I only have crappy protos here Dec 17 08:10:31 arkenoi, or simply enough for video recording and playback? Dec 17 08:11:17 flux: if you want to pay double the price and take risks, sure Dec 17 08:11:26 can't perform faster Dec 17 08:11:38 flux: if you want to play it safe and save a few bucks, go with the recommended ones ;) Dec 17 08:11:39 the speed limit is slightly below class 4 Dec 17 08:11:56 hmm rox-filer seems to be a usable file manager for the n900 even without hildonization Dec 17 08:11:57 Ceron: www.wickedweasel.com (not safe for work) Dec 17 08:12:16 im sorry, im at awork Dec 17 08:12:20 -a Dec 17 08:12:38 though lacks a bit of things Dec 17 08:13:01 what's unsafe about that? just a clothes store Dec 17 08:13:56 nothing you wouldn't see on a good beach Dec 17 08:14:03 I suppose class 4 is sufficient then, I'm not likely going to use it directly with a PC Dec 17 08:16:24 ruskie: mc ftw Dec 17 08:17:23 DocScrutinizer51, lol... mv/cp/rm/ls FTW ;) Dec 17 08:17:34 ow and scripting to get stuff done :) Dec 17 08:18:43 flux: my genuine Nokia 16GB uSD was not a cent more expensive than the broken kingston I bought before Dec 17 08:19:01 I never buy kingston Dec 17 08:19:09 had a friend that had constant issues with it Dec 17 08:19:14 docscrutinizer51, indeed, teh internet says kingston is not advisable Dec 17 08:19:19 I tend to buy patriot or a-data though... happy with both Dec 17 08:19:20 sandisk apparently works Dec 17 08:19:28 sandisk more or less always works Dec 17 08:19:41 hmm. any ideas on this ? Dec 17 08:20:00 oh. can't paste that shortish line Dec 17 08:20:18 erm Dec 17 08:20:32 is there a / in front? then add another one and a space before Dec 17 08:20:46 docscrutinizer51, well, the nokia card info atleast on the finnish nokia shop doesn't say anything about its performance Dec 17 08:21:23 http://pastebin.com/m3e97a835 Dec 17 08:21:29 while its price indeed is competitive (except the shipping is out of proportion) Dec 17 08:21:52 yep, it did start with a slash . d'oh! too early for me, no sleep. Dec 17 08:22:45 fnordianslip, grep -r "\-Qy" * Dec 17 08:22:51 that should show you the screwed up flag Dec 17 08:23:11 mm, grep -r -- -Qy * sounds better Dec 17 08:23:29 flux: class2 here. noname. So you probably need to look at your particular one when buying at nokia shop Dec 17 08:23:38 grep returns nothing Dec 17 08:23:46 tnx for suggestions though Dec 17 08:24:20 flux, either would work :) Dec 17 08:24:33 flux: real shop. not online ;-) Dec 17 08:27:11 and btw. A really nice option to have a look at the printing of the uSD that's holding the file you still are wathing on device's screen (aka hotswap) Dec 17 08:28:43 So, how d I promote my package to extras-testing? Dec 17 08:29:34 Hmm, I can't seem to get garage to allow me to upload via scp. I've given it my (newly generated) public ssh key. Does it take time for it to propagate? Dec 17 08:34:06 Could this "Warning: This package is not using one of the allowed user/* sections!" be preventing it? Dec 17 08:34:59 joppu: That will block promotion Dec 17 08:35:51 joppu: because that will put your app in the 'other' category in the application manager. (Which should not exist) Dec 17 08:47:05 morning Dec 17 08:48:53 Morning, all Dec 17 08:48:57 g'day Dec 17 08:49:06 timeless: pong Dec 17 08:49:18 morning jaffa Dec 17 08:50:44 Ok, sorted, key took a while to propagage. Dec 17 08:51:20 *ding* I just thought of an application I'd want for my N900. Dec 17 08:51:30 mece, oh? Dec 17 08:52:22 A program to edit/trim mp3's so you can perfect your ringtones :) maybe there is one already? Dec 17 08:53:04 ex editor ? :) Dec 17 08:53:08 hex, even Dec 17 08:53:15 damned macbook pro keybd Dec 17 08:53:57 fnordianslip, was hoping for something a little more comfortable :) Dec 17 08:54:10 i know Dec 17 08:54:28 mece: port audacity Dec 17 08:54:49 too big Dec 17 08:55:12 I use mp3trim in windows. It's very comfy and small. Dec 17 08:55:55 but not open soure Dec 17 08:56:05 and not open source either :) Dec 17 08:56:33 fnordianslip, real geeks use pental Dec 17 08:56:37 jaem: you said you'd try my conky, its in devel Dec 17 08:56:38 perhaps there are smaller and simpler (possibly non-linear) audio editors that could be ported to n900? Dec 17 08:56:45 * jaem had a pocket calculator with pental once... never figured out why Dec 17 08:56:57 fnordianslip, yes - I just caught the update this morning... or last night :S Dec 17 08:57:07 I'll give it a try shortly - poke me in 5 Dec 17 08:57:07 pental, you mean base 5? Dec 17 08:57:11 just busy for a moment Dec 17 08:57:12 yes Dec 17 08:57:12 flux, I'm searching.. Dec 17 08:57:17 nice Dec 17 08:57:28 what is conky? Dec 17 08:57:37 ShadowJK, sheer awesome Dec 17 08:57:41 mp3cut Dec 17 08:57:43 seems tiny Dec 17 08:58:01 ShadowJK, to elaborate: http://ffejery.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/moar-conky/ Dec 17 08:58:42 my conky - http://homepage.mac.com/darren.long/filechute/screenshot07.png Dec 17 08:59:08 it's a theme? Dec 17 08:59:27 its more of a user configurable desktop widget Dec 17 08:59:43 but i've not got it working as a widget yet, just a standalone app Dec 17 08:59:51 oh Dec 17 09:00:46 what do you think about this one: http://mp3splt.sourceforge.net/mp3splt_page/home.php Dec 17 09:02:47 * jaem curses dpkg-query Dec 17 09:03:02 ~curse dpkg-query Dec 17 09:03:03 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, dpkg-query ! Dec 17 09:03:04 ? Dec 17 09:03:06 :D Dec 17 09:03:10 mece, right ;) Dec 17 09:03:27 so, speculation time. do you guys think we will get 1.1 before christmas? Dec 17 09:03:46 tru: they did say december, so Dec 17 09:03:48 tru, yes - on Christmas morning... in a box under our tree Dec 17 09:04:02 which will raise questions of how Nokia got into our houses Dec 17 09:04:09 Stskeeps, well oculd be 28th or something :) Dec 17 09:04:14 I mean, Santa generally doesn't do contract work Dec 17 09:04:19 I've tried Dec 17 09:04:29 lol Dec 17 09:04:32 lol Dec 17 09:04:33 it will probly come out on xmas eve, brick everyones devices, and nokia will be on holiday for ages Dec 17 09:04:34 mece: i think the ssu people wouldn't work over xmas-newyears unless it was severely bad Dec 17 09:04:38 :P Dec 17 09:04:52 Stskeeps, yeah I guess. Dec 17 09:05:27 * tru for one is waiting for updated MfE Dec 17 09:05:37 my personal predictions would be either tomorrow or monday, tuesday Dec 17 09:05:45 (i don't know anything about dates) Dec 17 09:05:47 * ruskie for one has removed MfE, skype and a pile of other stuff Dec 17 09:06:11 MfE == ? Dec 17 09:06:18 mail for exchange Dec 17 09:06:21 jaem: with a coupon to trade it in for something decent after xmas :-P Dec 17 09:06:22 so, the builder only feeds extras-devel once per hour, huh? Dec 17 09:06:23 oh right Dec 17 09:06:50 have you guys seen the ZipIt Z2 devices people have been hacking with? Dec 17 09:07:09 Would any of you know what repository is libphonon-dev in? I cannot find it. Dec 17 09:07:25 Lynoure, it's part of qt Dec 17 09:07:38 jaem: part of what package? Dec 17 09:07:43 so use either qt 4.5 (in extras, I believe) or qt 4.6 (in extras-devel) Dec 17 09:07:56 jaem: I have dev package for qt4.5 but no phonon Dec 17 09:07:58 Lynoure, well, there is a libqt4-phonon package, IIRC Dec 17 09:08:13 jaem: that I have, but no help Dec 17 09:08:15 are the dev packages split per module? I thought it was all bundled into libqt4-dev Dec 17 09:10:03 Lynoure, no? Dec 17 09:11:09 Lynoure: That is being worked on. Dec 17 09:11:25 Lynoure: I talked to the SDK team already about that.. Dec 17 09:12:42 no help, at least. will not compile with #include (which works on my desktop) nor #include Dec 17 09:13:10 Lynoure: The package should be available shortly. Dec 17 09:13:13 X-Fade: anything I can do meanwhile? Would not want to idle the next 2 days. Dec 17 09:13:37 X-Fade: is there relevant stuff for 4.6? Dec 17 09:13:43 Lynoure: Let me go and ask for an eta. Dec 17 09:13:48 X-Fade: thanks Dec 17 09:13:54 Lynoure: 4.6 is separate. Dec 17 09:14:19 i have a small issue for some days now. my touchscrenn on the n900 act sometimes really weird. Dec 17 09:14:28 X-Fade: I know. Dec 17 09:14:47 mplayer in the background and after i activated the screen its not reacting to my input at all Dec 17 09:15:08 it takes some minutes and then i am able to slide to another desktop or use the widgets Dec 17 09:15:10 X-Fade: but as the sound stuff is my next step, I'm willing to switch to that if that's what it takes for me to have a shot at having this thing done before next week. Dec 17 09:15:35 * mece is compiling mp3split... Dec 17 09:15:50 Lynoure: You could probably just grab any 4.5.3 debian package. Dec 17 09:16:19 sorry :( Dec 17 09:17:52 X-Fade: You would not recommend switching to 4.6 instead? (I think eventually will need to go for 4.6) Dec 17 09:18:43 Lynoure: No, because 4.5 is on the device. Dec 17 09:19:05 Lynoure: And the 4.6 which is in extras-devel is experimental and probably will fill your device's rootfs. Dec 17 09:19:23 X-Fade: ok, thanks for the advice. Dec 17 09:20:14 cd .. Dec 17 09:20:20 damb Dec 17 09:20:27 ok this is not the correct window Dec 17 09:26:04 is libmad in the repositories somewhere? Dec 17 09:26:38 nvrmind, found it. Dec 17 09:29:18 * timeless_mbp sighs Dec 17 09:29:31 * timeless_mbp is looking at a burndown graph where the charts seem to want to go *up* Dec 17 09:29:32 timeless_mbp, you're always sighing Dec 17 09:29:37 ;P Dec 17 09:29:52 jaem: *sighing* since 1999 Dec 17 09:30:00 and frowning, and sounding like marvin Dec 17 09:30:06 lol Dec 17 09:30:07 yeah Dec 17 09:30:11 in my head Dec 17 09:31:00 * timeless_mbp frowns Dec 17 09:31:01 Good morning everyone!! Can someone do another check on accdisplay?It is in estras-testing now and I have fixed all the issues pointed so far.. Dec 17 09:31:13 cpscotti, what is it? Dec 17 09:31:25 fnordianslip, sorry, I'm in the middle of something Dec 17 09:31:25 oh wait Dec 17 09:31:28 timeless_mbp: does your mbp suffer from the "elp - my keybd drops characters" problem? Dec 17 09:31:42 I'll probably be up all night anyhow, so just bug me later, and I'll try to test it at some point Dec 17 09:31:48 you don't mean the Cat, you mean h2gt2g Dec 17 09:31:52 views/records/playbacks accelerometer's data Dec 17 09:32:00 h2g2? Dec 17 09:32:02 fnordianslip: not generally Dec 17 09:32:16 timeless_mbp: mine's a bugger for it Dec 17 09:32:19 Jaem: Graphically Dec 17 09:32:29 cpscotti, neat Dec 17 09:32:35 Corsac: sure Dec 17 09:32:43 X-Fade: seems installing the Debian package for it is not straightforward, at least, complains about conflicting /usr/lib/libphonon.prl and depending on a package that cannot be installed, seeing whether it will work when forced, anyway Dec 17 09:32:44 * Arkenoi noticed that daily amount of sms sent by me decreased tenfold or so since i got n900 - just because im is there as well and it is just as handy Dec 17 09:32:50 Last issues were just regarding app-name an version consistency through debian/control, about dialog and app title. Dec 17 09:32:58 cpscotti, installing it now - I'll test it if it's quick Dec 17 09:33:19 Ok Dec 17 09:33:30 cpscotti, go ahead Dec 17 09:33:37 oops, marvin was the baby, not the cat Dec 17 09:33:42 * timeless_mbp sighs Dec 17 09:33:43 Arkenoi, damn straight. N900 is good for your wallet :) Dec 17 09:33:49 garfield was the cat :o Dec 17 09:34:12 cpscotti: you shouldn't have an about dialog :) Dec 17 09:34:16 marvin was the manic depressive robot sidekick of zaphod beeblebrox Dec 17 09:34:21 it's mostly a waste of valuable realestate Dec 17 09:34:28 cpscotti, how about a display mode that would display three value versus time plots for each axis? Dec 17 09:35:05 cpscotti, what do you want me to check? Dec 17 09:35:20 Flux: isn't the top of the app what u want Dec 17 09:35:20 X-Fade: compiles now, at least Dec 17 09:35:24 * timeless_mbp wonders where this thing comes from Dec 17 09:35:28 X-Fade: ping Dec 17 09:35:48 Timeless_... Why not having a about dialog Dec 17 09:36:05 cpscotti: either the planet is on the wonk or my accelerometer is, as i'd swear down isn't that way Dec 17 09:36:13 * jaem falls up Dec 17 09:36:14 oops Dec 17 09:36:15 annoyingly, what's #include on the ubuntu is #include on the scratchbox Dec 17 09:36:20 fnordianslip: "cool. But can you also shoot away the floor?" XD Dec 17 09:36:48 i don't need no stinking floor Dec 17 09:37:54 Fnordianslip: well that's supposed to show what it reads Dec 17 09:38:45 cpscotti: i'm not blaming you. i reckon the reading is a degree or two off on the -X axis Dec 17 09:39:27 cpscotti, they are only the current numeric values, seeing history data plotted visually would be nice Dec 17 09:40:34 fnordianslip: accel meters? usually are amazingly off from what you'd expect them to consider the 3 main axes Dec 17 09:40:39 mind you, i once had to fix a flux-gate compass for an aircraft instrument, and discovered that the silk screen printing on the compass rose had 175 degrees between north and south going through east, and 185 degrees going through west Dec 17 09:40:52 Jaem: everything should be working ok... But i still need the votes on garage... Dec 17 09:42:05 cpscotti: if you're touting for votes, you could at least post a link Dec 17 09:42:47 ok, so that compiled nice and friendly. Dec 17 09:43:54 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/accdisplay/1.0/ Dec 17 09:45:56 Flux: oh.. Now i get it (duh.. Didn't see "time plot" there).. So.. Yeah it would be nice.. But maybe just over bloating the app.. That is just plain simple.. Dec 17 09:46:18 Maybe on v. 2... Dec 17 09:47:15 timeless, burndown graphs? Dec 17 09:47:27 they're a scrum concept i suppose Dec 17 09:47:29 "Waiting for maemo.org." isn't that the name of a film or something? Dec 17 09:47:57 http://images.google.com/images?q=burndown%20graphs&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi Dec 17 09:47:59 cpscotti, what kind of samplerate do you get out of the accelerometer? Dec 17 09:48:01 fnordianslip: hahahahahahaha òpò... Dec 17 09:48:12 1/20 Dec 17 09:48:20 aw :( Dec 17 09:48:31 That's why its the default for playback... Dec 17 09:49:25 GNUton-BNC: ping? Dec 17 09:49:30 the 'rate' file in sysfs says 100 :/ Dec 17 09:49:34 I thought you'd atleast get that Dec 17 09:49:37 I read somewhere that the limit is around 1/25 but it starts to lag pretty easily then.. Dec 17 09:49:57 ShadowJK: note that the 'down' part is consistent in most graphs Dec 17 09:50:07 so when you see a burndown graph trending upward... Dec 17 09:50:15 you too would start sighing Dec 17 09:51:25 Ps: òpò = lol shifted right in italian n900 kb..... Dec 17 09:51:56 it'd been cool to be able to get a few hundred hz out of hte accelerometer, I'd tried recording while finding the 100+dB low-frequency audio/vibration spots at work, and then I'd try play up the accelerometer data as audio Dec 17 09:52:34 ShadowJK, that would require location awareness within a room to do correct monitoring Dec 17 09:52:37 timeless_mbp, so the solution is to hang your managers upside down? Dec 17 09:52:49 forget the orientation part ;-) Dec 17 09:53:01 lcuk, it's not about monitoring Dec 17 09:53:11 lcuk, I'd just want to play back accelerometer data as sound :) Dec 17 09:53:14 ShadowJK: it's same accelerometer as in a freerunner Dec 17 09:53:19 see if there's something for it :P Dec 17 09:53:38 shadowjk, as a waveform or as a frequency modulated sine signal? Dec 17 09:54:00 ShadowJK, its been on the cards to use the accelerometer to control a musical instrument for a while Dec 17 09:54:07 now i have 2 n900s here it might happen lol Dec 17 09:54:11 flux, as waveform Dec 17 09:54:13 one for each conducting hand Dec 17 09:54:17 lol Dec 17 09:54:25 good morning btw Dec 17 09:54:25 damn liboil error again :/ Dec 17 09:54:34 shadowjk, well, I doubt you'd hear anything Dec 17 09:54:48 shadowjk, unless you vibrate your device at 60+hz, which I recommend against :) Dec 17 09:55:13 whats the point of disabling copy-and-paste for the wifi password request. having to type 63 characters for my 5 aps? lol Dec 17 09:55:15 shadowjk, atleast it would need to be modulated into a higher frequency.. Dec 17 09:55:29 Lynoure: It seems it will take a while to get the phonon-dev issue sorted out. The source package doesn't seem to generate it. Dec 17 09:55:35 flux, oh I think I would at the noisy parts on the floor at work. For example, if I have a paper or something in my hand, the surface of the paper easily picks up sound and transfers the vibrations to my hand Dec 17 09:55:52 ShadowJK: Stskeeps: iirc th lis302 has either 100@or 400 Hz samplerate Dec 17 09:56:18 ok, mp3splt compiled and installed on N900. Let's see if it works. Dec 17 09:56:27 I guess I could just play it back faster ;) Dec 17 09:56:30 docscrutinizer51, I suppose in best case you could infact hear something then? Dec 17 09:56:40 X-Fade: uh. I wonder what to do. I can now get it compile with the forced debian package, but get some weird liboil error as the result Dec 17 09:56:42 400hz samplerate would give you 200hz maximum frequency Dec 17 09:56:46 when played back through speakers Dec 17 09:56:52 unless you speed it up and play it at doublespeed or something Dec 17 09:57:16 if you sample the acceleration directly and play it back, all you've done is make an amplifier Dec 17 09:57:18 highpass filter to remove all the low-frequency components that arise from walking around Dec 17 09:57:18 reading accelerometer unsmoothed gives jitter Dec 17 09:57:56 is that real? i have to fiddle with dbus to get my 63 character wifi passwords into n900? Dec 17 09:57:58 shadowjk, some kind of 'audialization' would be interesting to try out in any case Dec 17 09:58:01 ...and still no sound I can here. Dec 17 09:58:13 cpscotti, what's the sampling rate your app uses for recording? Dec 17 09:58:16 ShadowJK, in the maemo wiki theres a 25hz+ smoothed interface which works really well and gives accurate acceptable results Dec 17 09:58:28 lcuk, I *want* the jitter :) Dec 17 09:58:33 no, you dont Dec 17 09:58:34 you know, there's a device in the n900 that can measure vibrations at 48khz... the mic Dec 17 09:58:46 ali1234, that's not fun :) Dec 17 09:58:47 random jitter != high frequency fun Dec 17 09:58:48 lcuk, in his case it would be (very small amount of) noise Dec 17 09:58:57 ShadowJK: flux: I suggest freq modulation of a 2KHz signal with the accel data Dec 17 09:58:58 Flux:... 1/20 Dec 17 09:59:09 hmm, anyone know if you can disable vibration on IM's only? I still want it for an incomming call. Dec 17 09:59:13 the amount of noise is not based on motion, its simply noise Dec 17 09:59:14 * timeless_mbp rotfl Dec 17 09:59:16 cpscotti, well, I suppose you could go (much) higher atleast when recording? Dec 17 09:59:21 s/here/hear/ Dec 17 09:59:21 * timeless_mbp heard some really funny news Dec 17 09:59:22 Lynoure meant: ...and still no sound I can hear. Dec 17 10:00:06 lcuk, it's extremely dificult to get rid of exactly the jitter and not any of the signal.. Dec 17 10:01:05 Flux: i read somewhere that after 1/25 it starts lagging pretty bad... Since it's all python, i was a little conservative and adopted 1/20 Dec 17 10:01:06 flux, i have done lots of stuff with the accelerometer, smoothed out the way i do it gives complete nicely accurate feedback from the accel Dec 17 10:01:07 Lynoure: Now trying to get in touch with one of the Qt guys, to figure out what is happening there. Dec 17 10:02:23 lcuk, but what the guy is trying to get is an extremely low intensity signals. I gather he wants to try if the signal gets different when you drag the device over a coarse surface.. Dec 17 10:02:29 anybody know of a good IRC client for N900? Dec 17 10:02:43 pekuja, xchat or irssi Dec 17 10:02:45 pekuja: irssi Dec 17 10:03:00 does xchat integrate with the phone's notification features? Dec 17 10:03:04 irssi is the classic, I suppose Dec 17 10:03:08 or, for that matter, does irssi? Dec 17 10:03:10 Yeah, the stuff I'm after would be embedded in the noise (jitter).. the noise/jitter would most likely be needed, the real signal I'm after would be dithered against the noise Dec 17 10:03:11 flux, good luck Dec 17 10:03:18 flux, neither Dec 17 10:03:29 are those two available in any repos? Dec 17 10:03:33 lcuk, :) yes, pretty unrealistic, perhaps, but filtering would ruin it for sure. Dec 17 10:03:37 I know I didn't see them in the app manager Dec 17 10:03:38 are you trying to make a turn-table cartridge out of an n900? Dec 17 10:04:17 the jitter seems pretty consistent with the phone sitting still. It seems like a constant a +- n, where n seems to be constant Dec 17 10:04:32 so that's just thermal noise or whatever Dec 17 10:05:01 flux: xchat does (kinda), with play-sound Dec 17 10:05:20 docscrutinizer51, I suppose some hacky dbus-magic could be hooked into that? Dec 17 10:05:29 i found a bug in n900 Dec 17 10:05:41 a person called me and the screen went blank :( Dec 17 10:05:43 doe sanyone else with pre-release phones get random beeps when calling? Dec 17 10:05:47 and dropped connections? Dec 17 10:05:48 * cpscotti struggling with pidgin at the n900.... It's hard to have proper chatting.. :// Dec 17 10:05:55 pekuja, they are likely in the extras repositories. of course, stuff there (or especially in extras-testing) can be more risky than the official nokia stuff. Dec 17 10:05:58 Ceron: it uses proximity detection for some stuff Dec 17 10:06:00 Ceron, something covering the proximity sensor? Dec 17 10:06:18 ShadowJK: where is proximity sensor located Dec 17 10:06:36 It's one of the things next to the front camera Dec 17 10:06:59 flux: Ok. I thought I had enabled maemo-extras though. Are there several extras repositories? Dec 17 10:08:05 well, I suppose extras-testing is another one Dec 17 10:08:24 pekuja, extras, extras-devel, extras-testing Dec 17 10:08:35 ok Dec 17 10:08:36 thanks Dec 17 10:08:41 of course, keep backups, etc ;) Dec 17 10:08:52 (iow: don't do like I do :P) Dec 17 10:08:58 usually extras is safer than extras-testing, safer than extras-devel Dec 17 10:10:11 is there an easy way to see the new packages? Dec 17 10:10:57 so are there five repos in total? Dec 17 10:11:19 two Nokia ones, three maemo.org ones Dec 17 10:11:38 mp3splt compiled and working. Dec 17 10:11:46 ovi store has its own one also, but the store isn't open yet Dec 17 10:12:11 also it installs the repo itself automatically Dec 17 10:13:10 aha, this rim around the display absorbs shocks from falls! Brilliant! Dec 17 10:14:10 pupnik: have you been trying n900fly ? Dec 17 10:14:11 mece do you have an app for gui editing of mp3 (nondestructive) Dec 17 10:14:27 what's n900fly (I didn't find the desc really clear and didn't try it) Dec 17 10:14:37 pupnik, no, there's a gui but I didn't feel like trying that one out. Dec 17 10:14:46 no xchat in testing, but there is pidgin Dec 17 10:14:51 and irssi is there also Dec 17 10:15:16 xchat is in devel iirc Dec 17 10:15:17 Corsac: I think it measures how hard you throw your n900 in the air, with the accelerometer Dec 17 10:15:28 i got lopster built for maemo Dec 17 10:15:37 but it is gtk hell like xchat Dec 17 10:16:40 I'll try the gui, since the other stuff worked so fine Dec 17 10:16:50 X-Fade: there's a dependency problem with python-gtk2 and python-glade2 in extras-testing. did you have a look at this already? Dec 17 10:17:22 is wiki.maemo.org down? Dec 17 10:17:53 xchat segfaults on storing preferences. So edit the .cfg directly Dec 17 10:17:54 jukey: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wiki.maemo.org Dec 17 10:18:17 jukey, also http://istheinternetup.creativemisconfiguration.com Dec 17 10:18:20 :P Dec 17 10:18:31 slightly less useful, yes Dec 17 10:18:35 nice :) Dec 17 10:18:39 but my friend and I found it amusing enough to put up there Dec 17 10:19:46 by the way, I only just got my N900 yesterday. does anybody have any suggestions for cool stuff I should try on it? :-P Dec 17 10:19:59 timeless, it's not the ever repeating finnish tabloid's "winter surprised $CITY", is it? Dec 17 10:20:02 building gtk version. I wonder where it will crash. Dec 17 10:20:10 ShadowJK: heh Dec 17 10:20:25 Corsac: its a game that tells you how high u can throw your cell phone.. Dec 17 10:20:25 Corsec: if you can come up with a better desc, just tell me.. Dec 17 10:20:26 has anyone tested my conky yet? Dec 17 10:20:27 pekuja, ATI85 and Free42 are hard to beat if you need a good calculator Dec 17 10:20:45 Xournal is also excellent, although the port is not done yet Dec 17 10:20:52 fnordianslip, sigh... I'll test it for you now Dec 17 10:20:57 lol Dec 17 10:21:01 fnordianslip, your conky looks badass, but I'm busy with this mp3splt stuff atm. will test later. Dec 17 10:21:10 Corsac: what about bouncing your n900? Dec 17 10:21:10 sorry, I just finished exams on Monday, and I'm recovering and taking care of personal stuff Dec 17 10:21:16 okay, what do you need me to do? Dec 17 10:21:55 the default conf is in opt/maemo/usr/share/doc/conky/examples/conky.conf Dec 17 10:21:57 cpscotti: well, just say that :) Dec 17 10:22:00 cpscotti: in the long description Dec 17 10:22:13 jaem: calculators are sexy, yes ;-) Dec 17 10:22:20 “irresponsible app” is just scary :) Dec 17 10:22:29 copy it somewhere, install droid fonts, or change the font in the conf, and run conky from xterm Dec 17 10:22:33 jaem: well, they are useful. I was eyeing some of the apps in that category Dec 17 10:22:38 fnordianslip: for? Dec 17 10:22:50 pekuja, also, OMWeather, MaStory (Blogging Client), the Evernote sharing plugin... Dec 17 10:23:09 Should these osso examples work with maemo 5? I can't bring the Application to foreground: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/PythonOssoExamples#Application All I get is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/343451/ Dec 17 10:23:10 ^ for jaem Dec 17 10:23:56 jaem: evernote is dead though Dec 17 10:24:07 fnordianslip: is ur conky on extras-testing? Dec 17 10:24:12 jaem: what exams? Dec 17 10:24:15 cpscotti: devel Dec 17 10:24:32 its ok. trust me :) Dec 17 10:25:02 i wouldn't run it all day though, as it will keep the device awake, depending on the periods set Dec 17 10:25:03 jaem: I actually had some trouble getting MaStory to work, but I suppose it could be a server side problem too. Kinda annoying when it doesn't tell me what went wrong, only that posting failed. Dec 17 10:25:08 Ahh... Ok... I'll try it.. Dec 17 10:25:22 jaem: thanks for the tips Dec 17 10:26:21 Corsac: well.. I thougth that the current description said that... But ok.. It can get a little bit better.. I'll explain more on he next build.. Dec 17 10:26:23 pekuja, how is it dead? I haven't used it much, but itlooked neat Dec 17 10:26:43 fnordianslip, I'm in Comp. Eng., but I had a variety this semester Dec 17 10:26:46 jaem: Google bought them and shut the service down. Dec 17 10:26:55 pekuja, O RLY? Dec 17 10:26:57 when? Dec 17 10:26:59 jaem: it's still available for existing users I think Dec 17 10:27:07 jaem: a week ago or something Dec 17 10:27:12 jaem: oh. nothing hard then :) Dec 17 10:27:17 fnordianslip, ha Dec 17 10:27:21 I think Dec 17 10:27:24 pekuja, darn it all Dec 17 10:27:29 :/ Dec 17 10:27:32 But well.. Some testing would be good... n900fly on testing now.... Test it and give feedback... Just please, dont break ur phones gentleman!! Dec 17 10:27:35 or am I thinking of something else Dec 17 10:27:35 I have an account, but that's really not cool Dec 17 10:27:40 pekuja, man that sucks. That had some serious potential. Dec 17 10:27:43 Gizmo5, maybe? Dec 17 10:27:50 jaem: actually I think maybe I was thinking of something else :-< Dec 17 10:27:58 pekuja, heh Dec 17 10:27:59 jaem: it doesn't look dead from looking at their website Dec 17 10:28:03 :D Dec 17 10:28:05 cpscotti: so, can it measure how hard you bounce your n900? Dec 17 10:28:10 fnordianslip, looks good to me - anything in particular I should check? Dec 17 10:28:17 oh, it was etherpad Dec 17 10:28:18 heh Dec 17 10:28:24 pekuja, them too? Dec 17 10:28:26 darn Dec 17 10:28:29 no, not them too Dec 17 10:28:32 evernote is fine Dec 17 10:28:37 but etherpad was shut down Dec 17 10:28:46 jaem: just wanted to know it installed ok on another device Dec 17 10:28:47 pekuja, too, as in, yet another company in general Dec 17 10:28:48 I got them mixed up Dec 17 10:29:01 never tried etherpad, but I heard it was vaguely Wave-ish Dec 17 10:29:06 yeah Dec 17 10:29:12 I think that's why Google bought them Dec 17 10:29:13 Fnordiansleep: yep.. Measures for how long it was on the air.."flying".. Dec 17 10:29:14 to work on Wave Dec 17 10:29:17 jaem: might just push it into testing Dec 17 10:29:18 did they shut them down, or just do the usual registration-freeze thing until they can be Googlified? Dec 17 10:29:37 fnordianslip, text runs off the right side a bit, but everything seems happy Dec 17 10:29:46 but yeah, I got those two mixed up in my head... both start with an E and end with a part of "notepad" Dec 17 10:29:58 lol Dec 17 10:30:12 jaem: doesn't on mine, do you have the droid fonts installed? Dec 17 10:30:12 actually, ever and ether are kinda similar words, just two letters difference Dec 17 10:30:18 fnordianslip, yes Dec 17 10:30:27 but yeah, I guess I will check the evernote app out then Dec 17 10:30:30 some friends and I are looking at picking up a neat little device to run Linux on... Dec 17 10:30:45 it's meant as a standalone IM client for teenagers that need their IM fix Dec 17 10:30:52 fnordianslip: it's not about bouncing, its about throwing it up.. And picking it back... Dec 17 10:30:55 but it runs Linux, and should be sufficient to use as a wireless thin client Dec 17 10:30:58 :) Dec 17 10:30:59 $50 Dec 17 10:31:06 jaem: odd. which bit of text overflows? Dec 17 10:31:22 well, it can be made to run Linux - I think it does anyway, but nothing useful Dec 17 10:31:33 fnordianslip, Running Processes Dec 17 10:31:38 the right-hand field Dec 17 10:31:46 after the most-significant-digit Dec 17 10:32:26 jaem: isn't there only one digit = 1 ? Dec 17 10:33:09 jaem: ~50$ more and you could buy a beagle board and do really cool stuff.. Dec 17 10:33:10 fnordianslip, oh, that could be Dec 17 10:33:12 lol Dec 17 10:33:19 Laiska, I thought they were still $150? Dec 17 10:33:37 also, this comes with wifi, a keyboard, and a screen, in a nice portable case Dec 17 10:33:44 and can be cheaper if you get a deal Dec 17 10:33:50 but yeah, the BB looks really nice Dec 17 10:33:57 I just can't afford it at the moment Dec 17 10:34:03 Oh true, I rememberd incorrectly Dec 17 10:34:12 * fnordianslip thinks jaem has a 10-core arm cpu and needs more than one digit of running processes Dec 17 10:34:13 150$ you are right Dec 17 10:34:17 building mp3splt-gtk take 3 Dec 17 10:34:19 we really just want a mobile terminal, and maybe an NX client if we can squeeze it on Dec 17 10:34:24 fnordianslip, lol Dec 17 10:34:26 I automagically was thinking of euros.. Dec 17 10:34:27 * jaem is stupid Dec 17 10:34:38 Laiska, euros? who the heck uses those? Dec 17 10:34:39 :P Dec 17 10:35:15 oh my, a successful bild. Dec 17 10:35:16 jaem: 16 countries I think ;) Dec 17 10:35:17 build too Dec 17 10:35:21 Laiska, meh Dec 17 10:35:27 have you tried the BeagleBoard? Dec 17 10:36:06 * fnordianslip tries to get a load > 10 on his n900 Dec 17 10:36:19 certain irc chatters frequently post links i find interesting. lets think about how to make an rss out of them Dec 17 10:36:21 * RST38h needs one more vote to push Speccy out into Extras Dec 17 10:36:32 no hands-on experince, just seen it in use Dec 17 10:36:42 pupnik: Care to vote for a package? =) Dec 17 10:36:44 fnordianslip, I tried to import 160,000 recipes to the earliest alpha port of KRecipes to KDE4, and it ate my laptop Dec 17 10:36:54 pupnik, that would be interesting Dec 17 10:37:03 already navigating there RST38h Dec 17 10:37:09 RST38h, can I vote down, just to be a jerk? Dec 17 10:37:30 heh. Dec 17 10:37:37 jaem: Yes. But then the Tentacled One will pay you a visit tonight. Dec 17 10:37:49 RST38h, bwah! Dec 17 10:37:50 n900 multitaasking rules. it rules! Dec 17 10:38:04 hey am I supposed to use "run-standalone.sh" when launching stuff from the xterm? What exactly does it do? Dec 17 10:38:25 pupnik, yes indeed - I laugh a bit at all the newbies posting excitedly that they can run over 8999 apps at once Dec 17 10:38:43 yes, you can... but that's not usually practical Dec 17 10:38:45 mece: afaik it sets environment variables etc so that applications actually work Dec 17 10:38:52 and yes, over 8999 is the new anti-meme Dec 17 10:38:55 averted at the last moment Dec 17 10:39:01 pupnik: abbra had an interesting blog post about how scheduling works on N900 Dec 17 10:39:22 cosmo_, sounds good. I'll try that first then :) Dec 17 10:40:11 hmm... is the component of Maemo that sends caller ID to a bluetooth device FOSS? Dec 17 10:40:16 I really need a code example :/ Dec 17 10:40:35 RST38h: Link? Dec 17 10:40:47 pupnik: among other things he explained why app manager stops working when you navigate away from it Dec 17 10:40:54 derf: it is in Russian anyway Dec 17 10:40:59 RST38h, stops completely? Dec 17 10:41:01 Oh. Pft. Dec 17 10:41:13 jaem: not completely, just does not get scheduled all that often Dec 17 10:41:46 RST38h, ah. How was the "zzz... I'm low on RAM" feature implemented on Maemo 4? Dec 17 10:41:47 fnordianslip: i'm testing conky.. Everything works okay... It just misses (or I didn't find) the desktop integration/launching thing :/.... Dec 17 10:42:04 There are basically several pools of processes that get different scheduler quotas, and to save power the system tries to guess process importance and move it into the right pool Dec 17 10:42:08 cpscotti: yep. i need to figure out that bit. Dec 17 10:42:29 jaem: You mean the one which worked kind alike per-application suspend-to-disk? Dec 17 10:42:57 RST38h, yes. I heard that there was a process-freeze feature added to the kernel for .28, but I didn't know what this was using Dec 17 10:43:16 jaem: I am not really sure it was an upstream feature Dec 17 10:43:29 RST38h, was there a comma in that, or not? Dec 17 10:43:34 lol: "line 9 -- # system doesn't accidentally grow automake-1.10 dependencies." Dec 17 10:43:48 jaem: But I do not think it is any better than simply swapping a process out Dec 17 10:43:54 jaem: I've got "Running" to read 10, it right justifies itself ok in the default config. Dec 17 10:43:57 okay... makes sense Dec 17 10:44:00 http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ bookmark Dec 17 10:44:03 fnordianslip, okay, my mistake Dec 17 10:44:26 fnordianslip: it's fun that's the filesystem bars show how much free u have... Not the opposite... But that's from the mainstream soft.. No prob.. Dec 17 10:44:39 jaem: no, mine. i kinda assumed that it would never go over 1 anyway. silly me. Dec 17 10:44:41 * RST38h starts looking for jeremiah to resolve that missing dependency thing, as it seems to have hit multiple people Dec 17 10:45:18 fnordianslip, you're holding my processor upgrade back! ;) Dec 17 10:45:34 you can increase your number of cores by fudging conky, right? Dec 17 10:45:34 hehe Dec 17 10:45:39 http://maemo.org/packages/view/speccy/ where can i vote here? Dec 17 10:45:56 cpscotti: i see what you mean Dec 17 10:46:00 pupnik: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_non-free_armel/speccy/1.6.8-1/ Dec 17 10:46:12 (and yes, the whole voting system is fucked up) Dec 17 10:46:21 simple fix Dec 17 10:46:27 user goes to maemo.org Dec 17 10:46:47 2) searches their package and gets above page Dec 17 10:46:47 cpscotti: although i think knowing how much space there is is more useful than knowing how much space there isn't Dec 17 10:46:51 package versioning too now, as it seems Dec 17 10:47:02 3) (add this) allow testing vote Dec 17 10:47:05 Yes.... I agree.. Dec 17 10:47:12 pupnik: remember the meeting where it was agreed to lower the threshold to 5 votes? Like month ago? Dec 17 10:47:18 It's just that its funny Dec 17 10:47:23 no :) Dec 17 10:47:24 pupnik: Still not done, and it is changin a single digit for all we know Dec 17 10:47:41 pupnik: So, NOTHING is simple to fix with maemo.org, you have to whine for months Dec 17 10:48:00 lol Dec 17 10:48:16 i can help if someone wants to oversee my work Dec 17 10:48:22 changing 10 to 5 is 2 digits Dec 17 10:48:28 Hmm. The autobuilder built my package fro i386, I specified arch=all Dec 17 10:48:52 unless its in hex Dec 17 10:49:29 Micha_: Are you sure? Or did it just use an i386 scratchbox target to build it. Dec 17 10:49:55 derf: Using py2deb to make the source package Dec 17 10:50:05 pupnik: already offered help, no response Dec 17 10:50:10 ok, so mp3splt-gtk does load, and you can split mp3's with it, but player doesn't work, so there is not really much point in using it. command line version much easier to use. Dec 17 10:50:11 that was a few months ago Dec 17 10:50:12 Just realised, do I specify arch=all, or arch=any? Dec 17 10:50:35 arch=all means the same package can be installed on all architectures. Dec 17 10:50:49 arch=any means the same package source can be built for any architecture. Dec 17 10:50:52 don't feel like trying to properly port, since mp3splt works fine from command line. Dec 17 10:51:05 this was a public service announcement. Dec 17 10:51:11 Right, so I do want all. (Is a python app) Dec 17 10:51:44 But the autobuilder still has to pick a scratchbox target to build the package in. Dec 17 10:52:09 And it always chooses i386 for arch=all, presumably because that doesn't involve qemu. Dec 17 10:52:54 Mm. ok, I'll wait until it shows up in the repository and see what came out (seems to be taking a while). Just looking at the build logs. Dec 17 10:54:27 morning andre__ Dec 17 10:54:44 heja Dec 17 10:55:11 how can my xterminal be more usefull, i mean i want to login inti my server, but nogo... Dec 17 10:55:39 jpe__, what's the problem with logging in? Dec 17 10:56:19 it keeps asking my a password , which is the local one, i do a sudo slogin btw Dec 17 10:57:57 so asking for a password is unuseful? Dec 17 11:00:04 jpe__, on the device? Dec 17 11:00:18 jpe__, have you set a password? Dec 17 11:00:42 mece:no Dec 17 11:01:58 mece: the password cannot be changed for the user, it says Dec 17 11:02:00 X-Fade: ping? Dec 17 11:02:29 jpe__, it's the sudo that's the problem. Dec 17 11:02:41 why are you sudoing it? Dec 17 11:03:00 thanks, pupnik =) Dec 17 11:03:03 mece: otherwise it can't find the command ? Dec 17 11:03:16 Now, just need X-Fade or jeremiah to fix the dependencies problem... Dec 17 11:07:35 RST38h: Is version comparison function issue. Will try to fix asap. It is not a real problem on device. Dec 17 11:07:45 jpe__, you want to ssh into your n900 from another computer? Dec 17 11:07:59 shadowJK: no viceversa Dec 17 11:08:33 RST38h: Lunch, bbl. Dec 17 11:08:40 what's this sudo slogin about? Dec 17 11:09:30 ShadowJK: the n900 is asking for a password, but i supose it;s the n900's password, because my remote server's one fails Dec 17 11:09:38 I just open X-terminal on N900 and type ssh jk@myserver Dec 17 11:10:22 and it asks for the password for jk on the server Dec 17 11:10:45 ssh: command not found Dec 17 11:11:02 go to applicatio manage, enable extras, install openssh-client Dec 17 11:11:22 ah ok, it's not installed bu default, ok Dec 17 11:12:01 If you want root on n900, then you install 'rootsh' and type 'sudo gainroot' to become root. But that's not needed for ssh into your server Dec 17 11:12:21 And with root you can of course break your n900 Dec 17 11:13:08 ShadowJK:ok ,thanks, i'll start with a ssh , then we see Dec 17 11:14:53 You know what ssh is, right? ;) Dec 17 11:15:10 How long does it normally take for a package to be migrated to the extras-devel repository? Dec 17 11:15:30 ishadowJK: no problem there, use linux for +10 years Dec 17 11:15:33 And/or is there a place to access the generated .deb directly from garage? Dec 17 11:16:31 <_berto_> argh, commercial N900 come with one of these: http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/power/chargers/nokia-extra-power-dc-11 Dec 17 11:16:53 <_berto_> I got mine through the DDP and I don't have it Dec 17 11:17:06 _berto_: really? Dec 17 11:18:16 Ummm, mine is a "commercial" and did not have one.. Dec 17 11:18:36 nor did mine Dec 17 11:18:49 nor mine Dec 17 11:18:57 <_berto_> maybe only in spain ? Dec 17 11:19:11 or a special offer Dec 17 11:19:15 http://www.nokiausa.com/find-products/phones/nokia-n900/specifications Dec 17 11:19:22 Sales Package Contents* Dec 17 11:19:25 does not mention it Dec 17 11:19:32 iirc spain had some special offers Dec 17 11:20:07 the fact that special offers aren't included w/ DDP shouldn't be particularly surprising :) Dec 17 11:20:20 timeless_mbp: also it does not mention the leaflet Dec 17 11:20:32 <_berto_> looks like a special offer Dec 17 11:20:35 hmm. always read "nokiausea" Dec 17 11:20:38 or the plastic wrapping, i'm sure Dec 17 11:20:51 I didn't get a leaflet with mine Dec 17 11:21:04 be thankful, we saved a tree, just for you :) Dec 17 11:21:08 the getting started? Dec 17 11:21:08 :) Dec 17 11:21:14 I just burned a tree today :D Dec 17 11:21:21 * ShadowJK woke up to 14C in the bedroom Dec 17 11:21:34 <_berto_> http://www.nokia.es/NOKIA_SPAIN_20/Product_Catalogue/Products/Consumer_Phones/N-Series/N900/image/n900.png Dec 17 11:21:37 <_berto_> yes, special offer Dec 17 11:21:47 <_berto_> it comes also with a bluetooth headset Dec 17 11:22:06 The first orders in USA had a special offer and came with a bluetooth headset Dec 17 11:22:18 Dunno if anyone actually received a bluetooth headset :) Dec 17 11:22:23 or it was headphones, I think Dec 17 11:22:46 <_berto_> we ordered a lot here and all of them come with it Dec 17 11:37:00 how do I install .deb files on N900? Dec 17 11:37:26 * smaug doesn't use debian based systems Dec 17 11:37:43 shadowJK:ok, got openssh installed and working, thanks for help ! Dec 17 11:46:39 smaug: go to terminal, dpkg -i file.deb Dec 17 11:47:38 now I need to figure out where I downloaded the files :) Dec 17 11:47:59 moo-_-: where is Documentit directory? Dec 17 11:48:35 there is hidden MyDocs/.documents Dec 17 11:48:37 * Gadgetoid_mbp facepalms Dec 17 11:49:34 * moo-_- can't stand arrogant behavior and sneezes towards some random channel members Dec 17 11:52:42 hello everyone Dec 17 11:52:53 mooo anidel Dec 17 11:53:36 hi RST38h Dec 17 11:54:01 anyone here goot at GTK and GTK UI Manager (GTK toolbars) ? Dec 17 11:54:38 :( Dec 17 11:54:48 I shall ask to maemo-developers I think.. Dec 17 11:55:25 what is the question? Dec 17 11:55:47 I use an XML file to specify the toolbar(s) in Xournal Dec 17 11:56:38 I do have this action "Color" that right now shows either the stock color button or a themed icon and clicking on it shows the color picker Dec 17 11:56:40 fine... Dec 17 11:56:57 but I don't like that icon and I want to use the (deprecated) HildonColorButton instead Dec 17 11:57:12 issue is.. I don't think I can specifiy that in the XML or in the GtkActionEntry struct Dec 17 11:57:44 oh hi, anidel Dec 17 11:57:45 anidel, you seen the liq* color selection dialog http://liqbase.net/sheep/sheepdrawing_colorselect.JPG Dec 17 11:57:49 Yesterday I removed the Color action from the XML file and inserted the GtkToolItem into the GtkToolbar manually in the code.. worked, but wanted something more.. configurable Dec 17 11:58:08 lcuk: no.. let me see Dec 17 11:58:43 lcuk: doesn't seem "hildonized" Dec 17 11:59:48 My real issue is that I want the Color button to be at a particular position in the Toolbar.. so I was thinking to add the Color action in the XML, then look for it in the toolbar and substitute it with HildonColorButton, but I can't find a way to do it... Dec 17 12:00:52 and why the heck they deprecated the HildonColorButton is they use it in Sketch ? Dec 17 12:02:06 anidel, of course its not hildonized, its been liquified Dec 17 12:02:14 actually, the Maemo 5 guidelines even say not use Toolbars at all :D Dec 17 12:02:24 lcuk: :p Dec 17 12:02:40 anidel, what do they suggest using, then? Dec 17 12:02:51 anyone used the faad package for aac decoding in Maemo? Dec 17 12:03:04 jaem: nothing. Dec 17 12:03:50 The toolbar in sketch doesn't look like a normal GtkToolbar unless they tweak it changing icon size, and spacing Dec 17 12:03:51 I just downloaded it from maemo.org/packages and installed it but my gst-inspect doesn't show any faad elements Dec 17 12:04:38 the UI guys in Barcelona told me Xournal icons in the toolbar are too close to each other and not "finger friendly". Dec 17 12:04:52 right now I can fit 10, they say 7 is already a high number :) Dec 17 12:06:59 Anyway.. the main issue is to put my own ColorButton in there but still using the XML file. Dec 17 12:07:08 at least as a placeholder Dec 17 12:07:08 but your app is geared for stylus use is it not, a little higher wouldnt cause so much pain would it? Dec 17 12:07:36 selecting the tools has to be finger friendly.. I think they are, but they say it is not really... Dec 17 12:07:46 then you use it with the stylus Dec 17 12:09:41 who would drop the stylus to select icons with fingers, than take up stylus again? Dec 17 12:10:18 * redi dislikes using stylus Dec 17 12:10:43 stylus is good for note taking Dec 17 12:10:55 and more accurate for many things Dec 17 12:11:41 s/than/then Dec 17 12:11:46 Doc: many people don't drop the stylus, but simply change its position in hand and use the finger Dec 17 12:12:15 many people just use the stylus on the big buttons Dec 17 12:12:28 they really dont switch between finger and stylus do they? Dec 17 12:12:35 "omg a finger button, quick cant use stylus" Dec 17 12:12:37 lcuk: had the n900 a proper screen you wouldnt need stylus :P Dec 17 12:12:46 you use virtual keyboard for taking notes? Dec 17 12:12:55 redi i stopped finger painting when i was young (on something so small) Dec 17 12:13:02 i take actual written notes Dec 17 12:13:04 lots of them Dec 17 12:13:32 I do too, but I prefer the keyboard to the virtual one Dec 17 12:13:36 it's called handwriting, not fingerwriting Dec 17 12:13:53 ah actual written, now I understood Dec 17 12:13:58 they're not writing with the finger... but still use it even if they are holding the stylus Dec 17 12:14:01 even I do that Dec 17 12:14:04 it's automatic Dec 17 12:14:11 oh well, I actually hate writing too :) Dec 17 12:14:15 like when you're writing with the pen and switch to the keyboard or mouse Dec 17 12:14:19 you still hold your pen Dec 17 12:14:28 I put the stylus into my mouth Dec 17 12:14:30 and look retarded Dec 17 12:14:43 or then I misplace it and curse when I cant find it again x) Dec 17 12:15:17 I guess it's a preference matter, I never felt like needing stylus for anything on iPhone screen, but on N900 it's not that accurate Dec 17 12:16:04 vmplayer keeps locking numlock here. Dec 17 12:16:08 just installed "faad" package from maemo.org/packages on my dev board but when I do a gst-inspect I dont see any "faad" components. does anyone know if that is a gstreamer plugin? Dec 17 12:24:27 anyone now how i can emulate function keys in the xterminal ? Dec 17 12:28:49 jpe__, maybe add them to the xterm bar? search for gconftool on t.m.o Dec 17 12:29:17 http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/12/16/fuse_concept/ <-- hmm can imagine this... trying to talk on the phone and you wipe across it with your finger on the back and it hangs up... Dec 17 12:42:04 can one catch the camera lid opening and closing event on n900? Dec 17 12:42:37 ruskie:ok, i'll try that one Dec 17 12:44:21 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1916328/using-ossolog-in-scratchbox-maemo-development Dec 17 12:44:33 if anyone know the answer I would appriciate input :) Dec 17 12:46:39 maybe to the serial console Dec 17 12:47:57 in scratchbox? Dec 17 12:48:05 Ordered my discounted N900... Dec 17 12:48:30 morn Dec 17 12:48:40 morning jebba Dec 17 12:48:42 tru: /var/log/syslog Dec 17 12:48:56 kkol: very empty. Dec 17 12:49:31 install sysklogd Dec 17 12:49:33 tru: first install klogd and syslogd Dec 17 12:49:34 or whatever the name is Dec 17 12:52:07 kkol: iirc I've seen slider open and close events in dmesg. No idea which dbus signal to wait for though Dec 17 12:52:36 alrighty Dec 17 12:53:11 ya, need to install syslogd/klogd for it to start logging there like Stskeeps says Dec 17 12:54:33 and then compile with OSSOLOG_SYSLOG and it should work? Dec 17 12:55:31 Could someone kindly check if the conversations is black-on-white in the theme "Reflect" Dec 17 12:55:37 from extras-devel Dec 17 12:56:41 kkol: dbus-monitor --system might help (slider) Dec 17 12:58:04 kkol: do I need to start syslogd in some way as well? Dec 17 13:00:56 tru: try /etc/init.d/klogd restart Dec 17 13:01:02 or reboot :) Dec 17 13:02:23 DocScrutinizer51: looks like "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_cam_shutter" Dec 17 13:02:29 kkol: are we still talking about scratchbox here? Dec 17 13:02:44 tru: oh sorry :) Dec 17 13:03:28 in that case, no need to reboot Dec 17 13:03:37 i can not place calls or use internat :( Dec 17 13:03:58 but i get calls Dec 17 13:04:36 anone here try n900 with tschibo prepaid? Dec 17 13:05:20 it looks like there is problem with putting credits on the account Dec 17 13:05:30 it might need some gsm extension!? Dec 17 13:06:23 manuelse: dialer doesn't take '*123#' alike codes Dec 17 13:06:36 manuelse: known bug Dec 17 13:06:46 bug 5357 Dec 17 13:06:48 hehe Dec 17 13:06:49 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5357 Does not accept GSM (USSD) Codes starting with *# Dec 17 13:08:14 kkol: ah, yay. the log ended up in the host systems /var/log/syslog not in the scratchbox file! Dec 17 13:08:29 alright! Dec 17 13:08:46 manuelse: for now your best option probably is to use an old featurephone if you need those codes Dec 17 13:09:30 manuelse: of course just to manage the account. then swap SIM back to N900 Dec 17 13:10:21 hmm don't they offer a free number to call without needing the codes? Dec 17 13:10:40 I know when I was on pre-paid I could dial a number and got a vocie menu and could top it up that way Dec 17 13:10:51 usually something like 123 might work Dec 17 13:11:05 thank you DocScrutinizer51 Dec 17 13:11:09 yep Dec 17 13:16:26 ruskie: some do, some don't Dec 17 13:17:03 well always worth a try Dec 17 13:17:46 never tested tschibo. Heard they're weird in quite some respects Dec 17 13:19:13 it's a discount reseller of cheapest poorest net Eplus we got here, iirc Dec 17 13:29:54 morning Dec 17 13:30:34 good afternoon Dec 17 13:30:57 * SpeedEvil1 ponders new meme. Dec 17 13:30:59 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4192044615/ Dec 17 13:31:07 maemo snows! Dec 17 13:32:58 SpeedEvil1, maemo weather Dec 17 13:33:11 dollhouse is ghost in the shell Dec 17 13:33:16 minus the cyborg part Dec 17 13:34:33 id take a picture showing the weather here in stockholm, but id be nothing but white Dec 17 13:34:42 :) Dec 17 13:35:53 In maemo conference I recall seeing a program that shows countdown time in big friendly numbers. Does anyone recall the name of the application? Dec 17 13:36:16 countdown widget ? Dec 17 13:36:47 hmm could it be so simple... :) Dec 17 13:37:14 no clue Dec 17 13:37:57 X-Fade: ping Dec 17 13:39:53 packet dropped Dec 17 13:40:06 any info about numptyphysics? Throws stderr "failed to create user dir" here, and opens up an empty paper with a falling "accelerometer test" Dec 17 13:44:53 DocScrutinizer51: strace :) Dec 17 13:45:06 hahaha segfaulted scratchbox with a grep command Dec 17 13:45:30 timeless_mbp: hmm. quite obvious, yeah Dec 17 13:46:34 ..where can one get strace for n900?-o Dec 17 13:47:51 hi guyz Dec 17 13:48:01 are there any issues with garage's svn? Dec 17 13:48:25 bye Dec 17 13:49:14 runs on a 8086 processor Dec 17 13:49:45 :) Dec 17 13:49:49 most of the world does that Dec 17 13:49:50 more like a z80 :P Dec 17 13:49:57 atleast for servers and computers :) Dec 17 13:50:23 8086 is different than a 80x86 right? Dec 17 13:51:00 probably still has some semblance somewhere Dec 17 13:51:26 my computing history is a tad dodgy lately Dec 17 13:52:20 but really this slow as ... https://garage.maemo.org/svn/conboy/trunk/conboy/ Dec 17 13:52:42 s/this/this is as/ .. Dec 17 13:52:44 t also lent its last two digits to Intel's later extended versions of the design, such as the 286 and the 386, all of which eventually became known as the x86 family. Dec 17 13:53:13 yeah but the architecture is totally differnt Dec 17 13:54:00 no Dec 17 13:54:14 hmm Dec 17 13:54:38 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86 Dec 17 13:54:44 still wits in the x86 architercture Dec 17 13:55:08 memory management Dec 17 13:55:54 extension :) Dec 17 13:56:05 remove all the extensions and you end up with the 8086 most likely Dec 17 13:56:13 anyway afk Dec 17 13:56:52 yes, you can run 8086 programs on any modern intel x86 cpu Dec 17 13:57:20 I wonder if that's actually tested. Dec 17 13:58:23 cu later chaps Dec 17 13:58:43 it seemed to be stopish Dec 17 13:59:17 yeah i am trying to checkout conboy from transifex Dec 17 13:59:22 but i cannot Dec 17 14:04:06 maybe a stupid question, but is it normal that with every stylus touch, i feel a small battery vibration ? Dec 17 14:04:16 yes Dec 17 14:04:19 jpe__, it is a configurable setting Dec 17 14:04:20 there's a setting for it Dec 17 14:04:42 i am just checking, but don't seem to find it... Dec 17 14:05:00 Touch screen vibration or something i think it's called Dec 17 14:05:23 yes, just switched it off.. Dec 17 14:07:36 timeless_mbp: mxr hosted on same hosting/machines as maemo.org in general? Dec 17 14:07:39 oki yes the trick is first put sim into a normal phone and do the *# stuff Dec 17 14:07:47 Stskeeps: no Dec 17 14:07:52 mxr is on dreamhost Dec 17 14:07:57 timeless_mbp: hm, ok Dec 17 14:07:59 all mxr gets from maemo.org is a dns pointer Dec 17 14:08:10 tried to do a search for "/home/user" (without quotes) and it took ages :P Dec 17 14:08:11 Stskeeps: why? Dec 17 14:08:15 without output, so was wondering Dec 17 14:08:19 Stskeeps: yeah so Dec 17 14:08:22 that's glimpse Dec 17 14:08:28 you asked for home + user + join Dec 17 14:08:35 on an incredibly large index Dec 17 14:08:40 ah Dec 17 14:08:49 if you gave it a file filter, it'd be a lot faster Dec 17 14:08:56 or something considerably more unique... Dec 17 14:10:26 http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/search?string=JSInlineFrame takes roughly 16 'counts' here Dec 17 14:10:37 make that 5 counts Dec 17 14:11:13 :nod: Dec 17 14:11:27 searching for "newsp" is also vaguely ok, even though it has 629 lines and 179 files Dec 17 14:12:03 i could probably add an animation if it'd make you feel better :) Dec 17 14:13:17 i wonder if i can detect that your string "sucks" and warn about it Dec 17 14:13:30 flux: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 Dec 17 14:14:15 flux: apt-get install strace Dec 17 14:16:05 docscrutinizer51, thanks! Dec 17 14:16:21 DocScrutinizer51: how much of the docs have you read? Dec 17 14:16:38 hello everyone Dec 17 14:16:45 I am having a reboot problem on my N900 Dec 17 14:16:55 timeless_mbp: of the docs of what precisely? Dec 17 14:17:05 maemo5 Dec 17 14:17:07 if you check talk.maemo.org you can see I've been posting about it quite a bit since yesterday morning Dec 17 14:21:20 timeless_mbp: quite few Dec 17 14:21:52 ZackMorris: well, if you want to rely on tmo, be our guest Dec 17 14:22:04 but i'm not going to read tmo if you want help here Dec 17 14:24:34 timeless_mbp: what's your point? (reading docs) Dec 17 14:25:01 none. i'm just impressed i suppose Dec 17 14:25:50 re Dec 17 14:33:11 timeless thats why I came here not much help on TMO Dec 17 14:33:20 woooo xchat on my n900 Dec 17 14:34:36 my N900 is bricked and I am unable to flash the eMMC Dec 17 14:34:40 only starts up in R&D mode Dec 17 14:34:48 Lanta: enjoy :-) Dec 17 14:35:03 as soon as I put the battery in, it just powers up immediately and goes thru non-stop reboot cycles Dec 17 14:35:29 if in R&D mode I hold in the power button, it will boot up, but when I go to shut it off it will shutdown, and go back to the same reboot cycle Dec 17 14:35:48 so, there's an rd flag that causes it to turn on immediately iiuc Dec 17 14:35:52 you probably don't want that flag? Dec 17 14:36:03 it's not in just R&D mode Dec 17 14:36:18 production or rd it just starts immediately if i put the battery in Dec 17 14:36:25 ZackMorris, see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350 Dec 17 14:36:26 Bug 6350: getbootstate bricks the device after 17 reboots if there are no normal boots in between them Dec 17 14:36:39 andre__ thanks for your help on bugzilla Dec 17 14:36:44 and related https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6334 (no need for more comments there though) :-P Dec 17 14:36:44 andre__: uk up :) Dec 17 14:36:46 Bug 6334: random HW watchdog reboots (/proc/bootreason contains "32wd_to") Dec 17 14:36:54 np Dec 17 14:36:54 ZackMorris, what do you mean by "unable to flash the eMMC"? Dec 17 14:37:00 but if use the workaround it still doesn't resolve Dec 17 14:37:08 mgedmin while running flasher Dec 17 14:37:16 it will detect the device Dec 17 14:37:26 then when it goes to flash the device it says, unable to find the device Dec 17 14:37:30 why eMMC, though? bricking is usually fixed by flashing the rootfs Dec 17 14:38:01 I have flashed the rootfs Dec 17 14:38:11 with both the US fw and the global fw Dec 17 14:38:21 * lcuk wants to strange the person that started using "bricked" to mean something that it wasnt Dec 17 14:38:21 same results as soon as I unplug the usb, it starts rebooting again Dec 17 14:38:27 yeah Dec 17 14:38:41 i love all of you. lol Dec 17 14:38:41 is freenode still under attack? Dec 17 14:39:12 haven't seen any splits lately Dec 17 14:39:14 isps have reduced the damage at least Dec 17 14:39:30 http://announce.freenode.net/ doesn't have any recent updates Dec 17 14:39:55 nor the blog, nor identica Dec 17 14:40:07 have some probs with contacts, previously saved on the sim, now some seem to appear with the second name and contain a /M at the end Dec 17 14:40:23 qtnx is exciting! hopefully i can get full PC control from N900 soon. Over the umts Dec 17 14:40:30 s/with second name/without second name/ Dec 17 14:41:56 * mgedmin is scared by ZackMorris's story Dec 17 14:42:19 Andre you asked me on bugzilla what does "df -h" say , how do I find that information out Dec 17 14:42:40 mgedmin my issue started when I plugged in the wall charger, it acted as if the device was charging however as soon as I removed the charger it said battery low Dec 17 14:42:41 assuming you can boot it (in rd mode) and launch an xterm (or ssh in), type "df -h" in the shell session Dec 17 14:42:50 ok let me try that Dec 17 14:42:55 ah, heard that one too -- also kinda scary Dec 17 14:43:35 I kept having that issue for the day, and so I used an external battery charger for my battery, I put the battery back in, opened up xterm Dec 17 14:43:41 and as soon as I did it crashed Dec 17 14:43:53 and started this reboot process that I cannot escape Dec 17 14:45:04 also if I press symbol/ctrl or the down arrow keys the screen fades out with horizontal lines and goes blank, keyboard stays lit, only way to shut off is to remove battery Dec 17 14:45:08 on xterm if I go to it Dec 17 14:45:14 as I just did and pressed the buttons Dec 17 14:45:25 it just went blank as I described Dec 17 14:46:00 is that "horizontal lines like in a software bug" or "horizontal lines like in a hardware fault"? Dec 17 14:46:13 Lanta: seems that's the answer to your Q Dec 17 14:46:38 its as the screen is powering off Dec 17 14:47:09 it slowly fades away leaving some horizontal lines then eventually nothing Dec 17 14:47:53 I remember my laptop doing that Dec 17 14:47:56 video driver bug that was Dec 17 14:48:09 disabled the video card output without turning off backlight or something Dec 17 14:48:13 actually I'm clueless Dec 17 14:48:19 i saw something like that on other lcds also Dec 17 14:48:22 that could actually be both sw and hw bug Dec 17 14:48:24 770 as well Dec 17 14:48:24 im going to try xterm again Dec 17 14:48:33 see if can actually run anything Dec 17 14:48:37 it went strange color, slow fade Dec 17 14:48:40 do you have ssh-server? Dec 17 14:49:17 if i hit the shift key Dec 17 14:49:25 it fades the screen out Dec 17 14:49:36 yeah. probably best to try and ssh into device Dec 17 14:49:40 ZackMorris, sounds like a hardware problem Dec 17 14:50:00 whats the easiest way to open up a ssh Dec 17 14:50:07 damaged ribbon connecting the lcd to the motherboard? when you flex the device (by pushing the keyboard), the contact breaks? Dec 17 14:50:36 weird the phone has gone thru no abuse whatsoever Dec 17 14:51:06 mgedmin: not necesserily hwbug. A nasty kernel oops could probably cause similar behaviour Dec 17 14:51:48 I want to try and resolve the issue before I send it back in, because none are in stock and who knows when I'll get another Dec 17 14:55:01 have a meeting in 30 min, but afterwards would anyone like to walk thru with me ssh'ing into my device to try and help please? Dec 17 14:55:24 in 30 min? plenty of time Dec 17 14:55:29 unless you need to prepare or something Dec 17 14:55:35 q: do you have ssh-server installed? Dec 17 14:55:45 and do you know the IP address of you nokia Dec 17 14:55:50 not on my device no Dec 17 14:55:51 and what OS do you use on your laptop/desktop Dec 17 14:55:55 ah Dec 17 14:55:57 can you install apps? Dec 17 14:56:17 ill see if i can Dec 17 14:56:22 actually, about the screen going blank when you press shift -- does this happen in xterm only, or in any app? Dec 17 14:56:39 just checked, even on bootup screen Dec 17 14:56:41 it will do that Dec 17 14:57:01 * mgedmin still thinks it's a hw problem Dec 17 14:57:15 so, if you can install apps, install Open SSH Server Dec 17 14:57:20 i notice that those keys are near the usb slot Dec 17 14:57:22 it will ask you to set a root password Dec 17 14:57:24 type something in Dec 17 14:57:54 then find out the IP address -- there's a "Personal IP address" applet you can add to the desktop Dec 17 14:58:20 then on your desktop: ssh root@192.168.x.y where that's your IP address -- if you use Linux; if you use Windows, download PuTTY.exe (google it) Dec 17 14:58:25 Khertan, did py2deb righ Dec 17 14:58:44 but it may be simpler to use xterm and the on-screen virtual keyboard to get the output of 'df -h' that you wanted for your bug report Dec 17 14:58:56 so I suggest that first Dec 17 14:59:00 ok lets try that Dec 17 14:59:46 Someone call me ? Dec 17 15:00:06 AndrewFBlack: yep ? Dec 17 15:00:15 worked Dec 17 15:00:21 what am I looking for on the report? Dec 17 15:00:39 do you have any free space in / Dec 17 15:01:11 yes nothing is used over 100% Dec 17 15:01:12 that'll be the "Available" column for the first filesystem (rootfs mounted on /) Dec 17 15:01:27 82.5 available Dec 17 15:01:28 then lack of disk space can be ruled out as a reason for your reboot loop Dec 17 15:02:14 brb Dec 17 15:02:17 Here I am again.. some people there willing to test a fun app and vote for it? Its AccDisplay, View/Record/Playback accelerometer's raw data in a graphical manner. It already got 6 votes. Dec 17 15:02:28 Link to vote: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/accdisplay/1.0/ Dec 17 15:03:16 Khertan, trying to build a package using it in users/system but its saying it doesnt know that section anyway around it? Dec 17 15:04:13 for whoever is still wondering if GeneralAntilles is real: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgxT-vMcDag&feature=related Dec 17 15:04:45 AndrewFBlack, it's "user/system", not "users/system" Dec 17 15:04:49 see http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing#Sections Dec 17 15:05:01 (assuming I understood your question correctly) Dec 17 15:05:26 mgedmin, s was just a typo in my comment here I have it right in py2deb file Dec 17 15:07:26 cpscotti Dec 17 15:07:28 new app? :> Dec 17 15:07:38 ok should I proceed with ssh download? Dec 17 15:07:46 siriusnova: yes.. Dec 17 15:07:53 cool Dec 17 15:07:54 OpenSSH Client yes? Dec 17 15:07:55 thx for making it Dec 17 15:08:11 ill get the client and server Dec 17 15:08:17 you know what would be cool cpscotti Dec 17 15:08:20 for the app Dec 17 15:08:39 if when you playback your accelerometer your N900 would do the exact same thing thats in the data Dec 17 15:08:41 :D Dec 17 15:08:48 so if you threw it up Dec 17 15:08:53 it would jump up by itself again Dec 17 15:08:54 Khertan, is it because Im using my n810 and py2deb to build my package for n900 is that why sections are not right Dec 17 15:08:56 hehehee Dec 17 15:08:57 hahhahaha Dec 17 15:08:59 lol Dec 17 15:09:05 LOL! Dec 17 15:09:40 I made the app at first to help everyone out there (including me) that is wondering what you can and what you cannot do with the accelerometers Dec 17 15:09:49 ok installed Dec 17 15:10:05 since you can playback in slow motion and all.. you can really understand how it all works Dec 17 15:10:54 where would the IP Applet be located/ Dec 17 15:10:55 ? Dec 17 15:11:18 cpscotti: how *does* the accelerometer work internally though? You got a link for the chip or anything? I dont quite get it (not the software, but how it detects movement) Dec 17 15:11:55 How many "maemo light saber" programs we already have? :-) Dec 17 15:12:06 That seems to be generally the most common "use case" on other platforms anyway... Dec 17 15:12:10 i only saw one, but it lagged a ton Dec 17 15:12:41 is there a command in xterm to find out ip address of the device? Dec 17 15:12:55 jebba: well.. wikipedia helps in that way. Dec 17 15:13:38 =/ Dec 17 15:15:01 i would like to be able to specify anamorphic ratio in playback of video because some videos are not correct Dec 17 15:15:16 well.. if you have 3 very tiny weight measuring things around a tiny mass.. you get an accelerometer Dec 17 15:15:21 jpjokela: Only light sabre app I know is khertan's prototype Dec 17 15:16:20 jpjokela: and mine doesn't work well Dec 17 15:16:22 :) Dec 17 15:16:53 AndrewFBlack: yep ... ... edit the section ... or use the py2deb version in the fremantle repository :) Dec 17 15:16:58 * fnordianslip thinks of the darwin awards and the two people with burning petrol-filled light-tubes whenever someone mentions light sabres Dec 17 15:17:41 cool. so it is just a very very little physical object moving around (micromachine). Heh. Dec 17 15:18:12 hey jebba Dec 17 15:18:21 and all, how's this day going on you ?:) Dec 17 15:18:32 going well hey sivang Dec 17 15:22:11 jebba: yeah.. and that's very annoying bc when you see the chip, its so.. so.. static.. Dec 17 15:22:18 haha Dec 17 15:27:25 ubuntu sdk renamed my .tgz file to .cbp on copy Dec 17 15:27:40 it renamed a .tgz to a 'comic book' format Dec 17 15:27:41 .cbp ? thats a new one to me Dec 17 15:27:44 hahaha Dec 17 15:27:52 well, ubuntu is smarter than you,no? Dec 17 15:28:15 this is a apocryphal ubuntu story Dec 17 15:30:17 hi Dec 17 15:30:20 no it did worse. it corrupted the file Dec 17 15:30:37 is there any way to see which bugs are targeted for which relelase in maemo? Dec 17 15:30:38 ubuntu is the sickest thing i have ever seen since touching windows Dec 17 15:31:30 and is bugs.maemo.org the official bug database for maemo? Dec 17 15:32:28 how's the countryside, wazd_n800? Dec 17 15:33:06 yes bobbyd it is Dec 17 15:33:17 manuelse: don't say that! Dec 17 15:33:55 Khertan, when using py2deb on n900I get an error on seccond an Iĺl get it for you Dec 17 15:34:03 jebba: (accel) it's a lis302. I'm sure on wiki.openmoko.org you find quite some details, and link to datasheet Dec 17 15:34:16 Stskeeps, heh, internet is frozen just like everything else :D Dec 17 15:34:20 AndrewFBlack: ? Dec 17 15:34:25 manuelse: cool Dec 17 15:34:30 AndrewFBlack: which errors ? Dec 17 15:34:34 wazd_n800: i'm stuck in f*cking denmark due to snow too Dec 17 15:34:34 :P Dec 17 15:34:39 Stskeeps, only can run irc( Dec 17 15:35:02 Stskeeps, how's your thesis?) Dec 17 15:35:38 AndrewFBlack: py2deb is builded by himself ... Dec 17 15:35:38 wazd_n800: handed it in and not thinking of it for at least half a month Dec 17 15:35:55 Stskeeps, cool) Dec 17 15:37:17 jebba: the most intriguing thing about lis302 is the programmable IRQ, as on a system like N900 you usually do not want like 100 or even 400 data transmissions / second that would keep the CPU active all the time Dec 17 15:37:28 strange I get an error with py2deb using xterm but if i ssh in it is working Dec 17 15:37:51 does that make any sense? Dec 17 15:38:49 the newest version of ubuntu is indeed pathetic somehow since gutsy they've managed to decrease quality with each release Dec 17 15:40:54 yeah they are close to reaching their goal: linux for windoze noobs Dec 17 15:41:10 you mean as many bugs as windows Dec 17 15:41:40 that's not ubuntu channel Dec 17 15:41:50 Hi guys, videos from Barcelona Maemo event (Maemo-Barcelona Lond Weekend / UX Meets Code) can be found here : http://www.youtube.com/user/nokiadevforum Dec 17 15:41:52 linux fanboing next door Dec 17 15:41:56 and as few ways for user to tailor system to his prefs as in windoze Dec 17 15:43:07 hi Dec 17 15:43:32 KMFDM: Concur, I'm quite dissapointed with Karmic.. Dec 17 15:43:39 thx anidel Dec 17 15:43:41 Jaunty was A-ok, had no complaints Dec 17 15:45:31 i honestly haven't upgraded since hardy, but that drive crashed on me and i have a karmic disc ready but i haven't had the time yet to tackle it Dec 17 15:45:43 jebba: welcome.. don't look at mine :( Dec 17 15:45:51 heh Dec 17 15:45:54 i.e. don't watch it :P Dec 17 15:45:55 as last time i installed hardy it took 24 hours to get all my hardware working right (when it all worked fine in gutsy) Dec 17 15:46:45 i'm working from a ibex machine at the moment which is ok except for a sound issue, but it is my system at work so I'm not really concerned about it Dec 17 15:47:54 Oh, just a rant but happened to pop in to my mind.. it would be cool if one could bind the "swipe left" to ctrl + p and "swipe right" to ctrl + n.. so that in Irssi one could flick trough channels Dec 17 15:49:58 hey guys. what is this for? RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Dec 17 15:50:00 A general tool to set up kbd shortcuts would be cool indeed Dec 17 15:50:26 in n8x0 series devices there was just one firmware Dec 17 15:52:28 Stskeeps, remind me how to turn on cursor please :) Dec 17 15:52:44 Stskeeps, nm Dec 17 15:53:24 ctrl-shift-x Dec 17 15:53:42 <_berto_> qos: where did you get that ? Dec 17 15:53:57 Stskeeps, yep) Dec 17 15:54:21 Stskeeps, vm runs hella slow on my poor laptop) Dec 17 15:54:33 _berto_, its availible in the fireware download location. why? Dec 17 15:54:42 <_berto_> didn't see that :) Dec 17 15:54:49 <_berto_> qos: it's for the internal memory card Dec 17 15:55:11 _berto_, purpose? Dec 17 15:55:26 <_berto_> qos: format and reset the original contents Dec 17 15:55:51 <_berto_> user guides, probably wallpapers, maps, ... Dec 17 15:56:09 <_berto_> everything that comes under /home/user when you first boot the device Dec 17 15:57:09 waaah! Dec 17 15:57:22 _berto_, i guess you don't need it if you didn't modified that. to just reset the device to delivery condition the normal firmware should do the job, right? Dec 17 15:57:29 gPodder doesn't hook into the backup app and doesn't remember my subscriptions! Dec 17 15:57:39 _berto_, seems more people are having the netwok connection error Im having Dec 17 15:57:56 <_berto_> qos: yes, if you do that you'll lose all your personal files Dec 17 15:59:01 <_berto_> AndrewFBlack: hmmm, I'll try to think how we can debug that Dec 17 15:59:14 _berto_, thanks Dec 17 15:59:25 <_berto_> AndrewFBlack: n8x0 or n900 ? Dec 17 15:59:41 n900 I can try it on n810 as well Dec 17 16:00:04 <_berto_> that would help, although in theory you should get the same error in both cases Dec 17 16:02:03 whee, 24h of uptime with no reboots Dec 17 16:02:32 mgedmin: bugzilla it? :) Dec 17 16:03:44 waaah, bugzilla love needed! Dec 17 16:04:17 <_berto_> qos: https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 Dec 17 16:04:20 when I'm looking at https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?classification=Extras or https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=gPodder, there's no link to search for all bugs reported for this product :( Dec 17 16:04:45 _berto_, wow what a service! thx Dec 17 16:04:49 andre__, any chance of improving that? Dec 17 16:05:32 andre: Do you by any chance know where I can find jeremiah or X-fade? Dec 17 16:06:44 Oh, wait, the problem miraculously fixed itself! Dec 17 16:07:52 Speccy 1.6.1 goes into Extras. Dec 17 16:08:14 Vulture's Eye 0.2.100 goes into Extras Dec 17 16:08:23 RST38h, sorry, no... (we work remote and don't share offices :-P ) Dec 17 16:08:43 mgedmin, it's a good idea. can you file a report against Bugzilla in bugzilla, please? Dec 17 16:08:44 andre: I guess one of them heard my prayers and fixed missing libpulse0 dependency Dec 17 16:09:56 any news on stable vpnc for n900? Dec 17 16:10:02 * mgedmin also very unhappy that keyboard typeahed doesn't work in chromium for selecting the product in https://bugs.maemo.org/query.cgi Dec 17 16:10:36 bug 5636 already reported Dec 17 16:10:38 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5636 gPodder settings (Preferences, Subscription list...) not backed up by Nokia Backup tool Dec 17 16:11:01 anyone got scr shot how droid fonts look on nopp desktop? Dec 17 16:11:10 what's "nopp"? Dec 17 16:12:24 its lag Dec 17 16:12:45 its n900 without fn.. *g* Dec 17 16:12:54 wow. Dec 17 16:12:59 amazon still hasn't shipped my phone. Dec 17 16:13:05 Ordered 3 days ago, still not shipped >< Dec 17 16:13:13 Anyone knows if Enigma is optified??? Dec 17 16:13:24 AbstractW: Is this supposed to be amazing in some way? Dec 17 16:13:33 nope Dec 17 16:13:38 * RST38h fails to see the significance Dec 17 16:13:51 Random question: Is Vim usable with the N900 keyboard?= Dec 17 16:13:54 RST38h: Not really, I'm just bitching. Dec 17 16:14:09 RST38: don't install it - it'll make you INSENA! Dec 17 16:14:24 * RST38h is already INSENA Dec 17 16:14:41 Too late fixing that Dec 17 16:14:45 It's mostly working for straight gameplay - but the control is broken Dec 17 16:14:48 zash: it's not too bad Dec 17 16:14:50 control settings Dec 17 16:14:51 oh Dec 17 16:15:07 and it grabs mouse seemingly, whihc _really_ confuses stuff Dec 17 16:15:07 probably still assumes that homemade control stick Dec 17 16:15:35 greenfly: how so? Dec 17 16:15:37 RST38: Sitting down with the thing clutched to your chest, and _teeny_ movements is required on most levels :) Dec 17 16:15:43 Fun though. Dec 17 16:15:55 Aha Dec 17 16:16:06 Can I import contact files on the Ovi thing Dec 17 16:16:21 * RST38h still needs to figure out how he should break Extras submission rules to make FBReader update properly Dec 17 16:16:34 Should probably place libzlibrary into user/libs ... Dec 17 16:17:02 FBReader? Dec 17 16:17:25 zash: I'm not quite sure how to answer that Dec 17 16:17:34 zash: it works mostly how you'd expect vim to work with a thumb keyboard Dec 17 16:17:37 zash, I use vim with the n900 keyboard Dec 17 16:17:46 not as much yet as I've used it with the n810 Dec 17 16:17:47 obviously things like ^ and $ will be a little harder to hit Dec 17 16:17:49 but it's quite usable Dec 17 16:17:55 with a few mappings to help Dec 17 16:18:06 see http://mg.pov.lt/vimrc-n900 Dec 17 16:18:36 :) Dec 17 16:18:52 How do I import contacts onto my device? Dec 17 16:18:54 RST38h, that's what upstream does Dec 17 16:19:01 I always thought it was a misunderstanding Dec 17 16:19:09 the N900 isn't compatible with my Outlook implemtnation (Zimbra) Dec 17 16:19:11 anyone happen to know if/how much iphone + ssh + vim sucks? Dec 17 16:19:13 "We can't say we've ever heard of a $26 Russian program called SkyGrabber before, but it's about to get famous real fast -- according to the Wall Street Journal, Iraqi insurgents have been regularly using the satellite-snooping software to monitor live Predator video feeds." Dec 17 16:19:27 mgedmin: It is a workaround :) Dec 17 16:19:34 The sat-feeds are unencrypted Dec 17 16:19:40 zash, not really, but iphone's screen resolution is much lower, isn't it? Dec 17 16:19:42 SpeedEvil: Yup. Dec 17 16:19:45 And go over commercial nets Dec 17 16:19:50 Which btw means that Pentagon has done nothing for the last 6-8 years to encrypt this crap Dec 17 16:20:08 SpeedEvil: Well, sometimes they do mediocre crypto. Dec 17 16:20:13 The C&C goes over the encrypted nets Dec 17 16:20:19 Anybody interested in testing a small app? mwTube 0.0.2 in extras-devel Desktop. Shows current London Tube status. Dec 17 16:20:36 Sargun_Screen: Zimbra doesn't use all the 2007 stuff. Dec 17 16:20:54 AbstractW: Anyways, the N900 wont sync Dec 17 16:21:06 AbstractW: So, how do I get my contacts into my n90? Dec 17 16:21:10 switchhing to secure frequency now Dec 17 16:21:15 i used PC Suite Dec 17 16:21:15 Can you sync locally, with outlook? Dec 17 16:21:17 from a windows box Dec 17 16:21:29 AbstractW: I don't have a windows box. Dec 17 16:21:30 and loaded it from a backup Dec 17 16:21:41 Sargun_Screen: Then how are you using outlook? Dec 17 16:21:44 me neither, i had to use one at work :) Dec 17 16:21:57 AbstractW: Zimbra. Dec 17 16:22:13 Oh, zimbra client. I thought you meant zimbra as the server. Dec 17 16:22:18 or if you've got a windows VM Dec 17 16:22:26 Yeah, Zimbra is the client...and server.... Dec 17 16:22:28 i don't think pc suite works under wine Dec 17 16:22:39 Windows VM is about your only choice, Sargun_Screen. Outlook on your Windows VM to your Zimbra server. Dec 17 16:23:10 You may be able to export your contacts as .vcf files, and go that way. Dec 17 16:23:27 Alright, how do I stuff VCFs into my N900? Dec 17 16:23:54 Thats beyond me. I still don't have my N900 yet :P Dec 17 16:24:12 Goal is to get scratchbox up and running today. Dec 17 16:26:05 Ooh, have fun! Dec 17 16:27:14 _berto_, your right same error on my n810 and on multiple networks Dec 17 16:27:59 andre__, filed as bug 7080 Dec 17 16:28:01 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7080 Simplify searching for a bug in the selected product Dec 17 16:28:19 thanks Dec 17 16:29:54 <_berto_> AndrewFBlack: can you file a bug at garage.maemo.org/projects/vagalume Dec 17 16:29:56 <_berto_> ? Dec 17 16:30:09 sure can Dec 17 16:30:40 that is if garage is playing nice today lol Dec 17 16:31:58 <_berto_> thanks Dec 17 16:32:02 <_berto_> yes, good luck with that Dec 17 16:32:17 can anyone tell me if it is possible to reset the n900 including the security code? I talked to nokia care and they want me to send the thing to Palco to get fixed Dec 17 16:32:32 security code - you mean the lock? Dec 17 16:32:36 yep Dec 17 16:32:42 12345 is the default lock code Dec 17 16:32:46 I understand the firmware flash doesn't, but what about emmc Dec 17 16:32:55 SpeedEvil: I changed it, and apparently forgotten within the span of hours Dec 17 16:33:04 :/ Dec 17 16:33:11 yep. I'm an idiot.. Dec 17 16:33:25 I suggest putting it in the freezer, then taking it out, dipping it in batter, and deep-frying. Dec 17 16:33:27 but I feel comfortable reflashing the emmc if it fixes the problem Dec 17 16:33:33 Youtube this. Dec 17 16:33:37 yaay for waiting for my workstation to restart. Gotta love a 40K page fault delta. Dec 17 16:33:39 don't tell me that. :( Dec 17 16:33:39 goooood idea Dec 17 16:34:32 ok I've downloaded OPEN SSH CLIENT AND SERVER , where do I find the widget to get the device IP ? Dec 17 16:34:59 ZackMorris: open a terminal. Dec 17 16:35:02 ifconfig Dec 17 16:35:23 ZackMorris: you only needed a terminal Dec 17 16:36:02 ZackMorris: and there type ifconfig | grep inet Dec 17 16:36:10 ZackMorris: and there type: ifconfig | grep inet Dec 17 16:36:27 ZackMorris, or install the "Personal IP Address" app and add it to your desktop Dec 17 16:37:32 Jaffa / X-Fade : is a splash screen 'graphics'? Dec 17 16:37:42 i.e. what section should i use for my splash screen? Dec 17 16:38:30 mgedmin I couldn't find the app for that Dec 17 16:38:46 maybe you don't have extras-devel in your app manager Dec 17 16:39:49 ifconfig didn't work in xterm Dec 17 16:41:22 that's unpossible Dec 17 16:41:23 going to add extras-devel catalogue now Dec 17 16:41:29 that's risky Dec 17 16:41:41 my phone is already bricked Dec 17 16:41:54 (we're kinda obliged to say that whenever we recommend extras-devel for anyone, by peer pressure) Dec 17 16:42:11 understood Dec 17 16:42:17 yeah ifconfig isn't working Dec 17 16:42:26 -sh: ifconfig: not found Dec 17 16:42:33 ah, stupid default $PATH Dec 17 16:42:35 /sbin/ifconfig Dec 17 16:42:46 * mgedmin mumbles more choice words about the default $PATH Dec 17 16:43:09 ubuntu puts /sbin and /usr/sbin in the default $PATH of every user, which is not very kosher, but is incredibly convenient Dec 17 16:44:00 yep $path Dec 17 16:44:07 ok let me get the ip now Dec 17 16:44:38 ZackMorris: how did you brick your foone? Dec 17 16:44:41 so anyone ever flash the emmc? :/ Dec 17 16:44:46 if your n900 weren't bricked, I'd recommend setting up avahi-daemon so you can ssh using hostname rather than typing addresses Dec 17 16:45:20 hm, how can i get bash on this thing Dec 17 16:45:32 and working bash history Dec 17 16:46:25 ok have the ip Dec 17 16:46:34 mgedmin: that doesn't require any kind of avahi nonsense :D Dec 17 16:46:38 jebba on tmo Dec 17 16:46:43 ive been posting about it Dec 17 16:46:49 and i can only start in R&D mode Dec 17 16:46:55 as soon as I shut it off Dec 17 16:47:08 it goes right back to the reboot cycle, you've commented on the threads I have there about it Dec 17 16:47:20 it bricked when I was first having charger issues Dec 17 16:47:22 luke-jr_, it requires either avahi or a DHCP server that does DNS updates Dec 17 16:47:26 Sargun_Screen: apt-get install bash#? Dec 17 16:47:32 I can't control all DHCP servers in the world Dec 17 16:47:39 mgedmin: why not? Dec 17 16:47:48 hrw: your software does make sound, right? Dec 17 16:47:51 ZackMorris: oh ya, i responded to those ya. Dec 17 16:47:55 Lynoure: yes Dec 17 16:48:01 luke-jr_, ... because people won't give me root access to their DHCP servers? Dec 17 16:48:05 Lynoure: it uses GStreamer under phonon Dec 17 16:48:17 yeah even when I power off in R&D mode it's just not powering off it goes right back to the reboot cycle Dec 17 16:48:38 hrw: if so, could I take it for a spin, to see if the reason for the phonon silence is affecting it as well, or if I am just doing something wrong? Dec 17 16:48:57 mgedmin ok i have the ip and i installed open ssh client and server what was the next step you suggested so someone can ssh in and figure it out Dec 17 16:48:59 * timeless_mbp pokes jebba or luke-jr_ or someone Dec 17 16:49:09 * jebba pokes timeless_mbp Dec 17 16:49:22 Well, I probably am doing something wrong, just would want to differentiate between desktop configuration and code Dec 17 16:49:29 jebba: which section is 'graphics'? Dec 17 16:49:29 luke-jr_: but it didnt set bash as the default shell Dec 17 16:49:36 ZackMorris, do you use linux or windows? on linux, ssh root@the-ip-address, on Windows, download PuTTY.exe Dec 17 16:49:38 * luke-jr_ stabs timeless_mbp Dec 17 16:49:39 Lynoure: I could give you x86 maemosdk binary but that would be GPL violation and I do not want to release sources yet Dec 17 16:49:43 ZackMorris: and when it completes the reboot cycle in R&D mode you get your desktop again? Dec 17 16:49:49 Sargun_Screen: ok Dec 17 16:50:03 ZackMorris, and I wasn't really thinking about someone ssh'ing in and figuring things out -- although Nokia developers who are working on that bug might find it useful Dec 17 16:50:10 hrw: Would not... as I would not ask for the source, and I can promise to never ask for them. Dec 17 16:50:11 no Jebba the only way it gets to the desktop is if I hold in the power button while it is in the reboot process Dec 17 16:50:17 I was more thinking about letting you run things like 'df -h' with the keyboard broken Dec 17 16:50:21 timeless_mbp: 1 sec Dec 17 16:50:28 Lynoure: there is a loophole to that ;) Dec 17 16:50:31 before I remembered the on-screen VKB Dec 17 16:50:34 I have to hold it for about 10-15 seconds and then the led turns white then it will start to boot, if not it will just reboot over and over Dec 17 16:50:40 luke-jr_: there is ? Dec 17 16:50:50 Lynoure: build phononmediaplayer from qt examples Dec 17 16:51:01 hrw: hmm, yes, could do that. Dec 17 16:51:14 Lynoure: my playing stuff is from that example Dec 17 16:51:23 timeless_mbp: Section: user/graphics ... ;) Dec 17 16:51:28 Lynoure: the "source offer" route of the GPL requires the offer to be valid for *anyone*, not merely the recipient of the binary Dec 17 16:51:44 luke-jr_: darn. Dec 17 16:51:58 oh ok Dec 17 16:52:11 ZackMorris: dont know. Sounds like you have a different problem than most in that thread (e.g. different than the "spontaneous reboot" thing) Dec 17 16:52:14 luke-jr_: so if someone got your binary code you have to give the sources to everyone? :P Dec 17 16:52:34 mgedmin I got putty running now, but im a lil bit of noob trying to figure out exactly whats going on Dec 17 16:52:35 dont feed him Dec 17 16:52:37 hrw: What kind of environment you use? Probably not ubuntu 9.10? Dec 17 16:52:41 Stskeeps: if your binary code included an offer for source code to anyone who requested it, one of the options for GPL distribution Dec 17 16:52:49 especially since I keep getting referred to those two bugs concerning the reboots Dec 17 16:52:56 Lynoure: Debian 'sid' Dec 17 16:52:57 luke-jr_: I don't think that's true. You need to provide the source to anyone who got the binary. Dec 17 16:53:03 murrayc_: read the GPL Dec 17 16:53:06 bug 6350 mainly Dec 17 16:53:07 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350 getbootstate bricks the device after 17 reboots if there are no normal boots in between them Dec 17 16:53:07 luke-jr_: show me the paragraph, please Dec 17 16:53:13 document your statement. Dec 17 16:53:29 Stskeeps: in GPL 2 or 3? Dec 17 16:53:39 luke-jr_: GPL2 in this case Dec 17 16:53:41 if anyone wants to work with me on this, feel free to go ahead Dec 17 16:53:52 luke-jr_: and please remember I know where you live. Dec 17 16:53:53 :P Dec 17 16:53:56 b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or, Dec 17 16:54:05 *any third party* Dec 17 16:54:23 option (a) is including the source itself Dec 17 16:54:39 option (c) is redistribution an offer under (b) that you received Dec 17 16:54:43 hmm on my device is there anything i have to enter in xterm to allow putty access to my device? Dec 17 16:54:46 redistributing* Dec 17 16:55:08 luke-jr_, no only the recipient of the binary has a valid offer Dec 17 16:55:16 ZackMorris, no, you just have to have (a) a public IP address and (b) give those other people your root password Dec 17 16:55:20 if he gives the binary on then that perso is also entitled to it Dec 17 16:55:20 don't do (b) lightly! Dec 17 16:55:27 where do you put the password in on putty? Dec 17 16:55:35 and for (a), most networks use NAT and have no public IP address Dec 17 16:55:38 putty will show a prompt Dec 17 16:55:42 username: and then password: Dec 17 16:55:55 * pupnik frolics Dec 17 16:55:58 For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights. Dec 17 16:56:12 luke-jr_: "the recipients" not "for anyone" Dec 17 16:56:23 :) Dec 17 16:56:30 oh ok i am at work so possibly no public ip Dec 17 16:56:44 would it be the inet address or the broadcast? Dec 17 16:56:45 hrw: that's the summary, and option (a) Dec 17 16:56:47 * GAN900 sighs at Quim shooting down bugs. Dec 17 16:56:56 * pupnik wonders if 500MB limit is stupid for g3 access Dec 17 16:56:59 GAN900: moved to brainfuck? Dec 17 16:57:00 hrw: presumably, without receiving the binary, you wouldn't know about option (b) Dec 17 16:57:09 hrw, WONTFIX Dec 17 16:57:22 bug #6862 Dec 17 16:57:23 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6862 Add status area item to indicate Tracker activity Dec 17 16:57:24 GAN900, which one? Dec 17 16:57:31 aww GAN900 Dec 17 16:57:35 pupnik: 0.5GB? Dec 17 16:57:35 hmm Dec 17 16:57:38 that's annoying Dec 17 16:57:39 pupnik: that sucks Dec 17 16:57:40 GAN900: open source, ask a community member to hack it up Dec 17 16:57:42 bug #6812 Dec 17 16:57:44 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6812 Remove "Power saving mode" setting from Touchscreen settings Dec 17 16:57:57 zash, i was planning to not watch youtubes. just chat and serious browsing. Dec 17 16:58:04 sorry if I am asking wayyy too many questions. Dec 17 16:58:11 ZackMorris: how many times have you let it run thru the "reboot" cycle after powering off in R&D mode? Dec 17 16:58:17 that's what we're here for... Dec 17 16:58:23 and this is all assuming you can make an agreement to ignore a future agreement :p Dec 17 16:58:24 Stskeeps, yeah, that doesn't help the normal users who are worst impacted by Tracker bringing the device to a crawl. :) Dec 17 16:58:30 luke-jr_: or I can just keep it for my own use :D Dec 17 16:58:30 GAN900: i agree Dec 17 16:58:37 pupnik: I have a 99SEK/month plan with 5GB cap Dec 17 16:58:40 GAN900: an extension to load applet? Dec 17 16:59:00 Again, what's the point? Dec 17 16:59:10 jebba i've let run a few times, and earlier this morning i've let it run for 10 minutes while out on smoke break Dec 17 16:59:15 Normal users wont install anything 3rd party. Dec 17 16:59:34 hrw: or put a price tag on it <.< Dec 17 17:00:13 luke-jr_: so far I prefer to keep it. in Jan I will get back to it and then will release sources on public git Dec 17 17:00:41 luke-jr_: I think that it will be good example of how to write Maemo5 application using Qt with testing on desktop Dec 17 17:01:17 pupnik, hmm my current data monitor is showing: 512mb downloaded 30mb uploaded... and this is sans all the reflashing I did and all the downloading in between :) Dec 17 17:01:40 luke-jr_: either way, i'm happy i'm a BSD licensing guy. :P Dec 17 17:01:40 during what time period ruskie ? how many weeks? Dec 17 17:02:17 pupnik, hmm 14 days since I got it today and of that 5 days of reflashing and quite a bit of downloading Dec 17 17:02:26 ZackMorris: cuz mine just appeared to go thru that cycle a few times. It will do that if it needs to fsck and such. Dec 17 17:02:30 so infact it's more like 9 days of use Dec 17 17:02:40 GAN900 his not shooting down bugs.. just yours Dec 17 17:03:34 Stskeeps: I don't stick to any one license. Dec 17 17:04:02 luke-jr_: true, what license makes sense for what you're trying to do Dec 17 17:04:05 my primary on is bsd though Dec 17 17:04:17 good people Dec 17 17:04:30 am tearing my hair here with my n800 os2008 Dec 17 17:04:31 these days, I generally just release code with no license and wait for someone to ask me XD Dec 17 17:04:38 at least smaller stuff Dec 17 17:04:58 so apparently it started freezing on me Dec 17 17:05:05 luke-jr_: you are aware you are technically not giving them any license to use it at all then? Dec 17 17:05:07 anidel, bugs are bugs. Dec 17 17:05:07 unless it fits within a clear license category Dec 17 17:05:10 Stskeeps: yes Dec 17 17:05:23 GAN900: was just kidding.. commented on that particular one.... Dec 17 17:05:28 seems i cant format the memory card for some reason Dec 17 17:05:31 Stskeeps: but one does not need a license to use, merely to copy Dec 17 17:05:32 as I've seen it many times already Dec 17 17:05:46 anidel, personally I think these bugs deserve more than "I personally disagree, WONTFIX" Dec 17 17:06:09 when i ran sfdisk Dec 17 17:06:14 i get the following error Dec 17 17:06:21 luke-jr_: my app has to be GPL as it uses code from Qt examples Dec 17 17:06:26 I think any bug deserves more than just opening comment, no reason close Dec 17 17:06:29 input/output error Dec 17 17:06:37 Stskeeps: and if someone actually wants to distribute it, they can ask and I'll probably just say sure :P Dec 17 17:06:38 GAN900: sure, I do agree with you fully Dec 17 17:06:41 hrw, hmm isn't qt lgpl as well? Dec 17 17:06:44 tyrus: check `dmesg` Dec 17 17:06:55 tyrus: also what was your full sfdisk command? Dec 17 17:06:55 on /dev/mmcblkl-cannot read sector 0 Dec 17 17:06:58 hrw: Qt's examples are GPL? Dec 17 17:07:00 ls -l /lib/dsp/ is interesting..... Dec 17 17:07:03 thanks jebba Dec 17 17:07:14 * luke-jr_ personally feels examples should be public domain or at least BSD licensed Dec 17 17:07:15 GAN900: as this is what being open means.. (btw; you appear here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgxT-vMcDag&feature=related) Dec 17 17:07:18 GAN900: Looks like I will have to return zlibrary to user/libs Dec 17 17:07:19 unless they're more than mere examples Dec 17 17:07:24 ok, LGPL Dec 17 17:07:37 i have been combing thru dmesg Dec 17 17:07:43 GAN900: I hoped that the next updates (like _5 to _6) would go without a hitch but I was wrong Dec 17 17:07:44 and this is what i have found Dec 17 17:07:48 luke-jr_, public domain does not exist in certain countries... atleast not explicit one Dec 17 17:08:08 also copyright laws can and do differ from country to country... hence why a license is the better approach Dec 17 17:08:18 end_request: I/O error, dev,mmcblk0, sector 1155 Dec 17 17:08:24 and it goes on and on Dec 17 17:08:38 what's the full cfdisk command you ran? Dec 17 17:08:38 am thinkin these are bad sectors but i cant get to format my card Dec 17 17:08:51 hrw: not much luck playing with the example, I keep getting (:25910): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_element_make_from_uri: assertion `gst_uri_is_valid (uri)' failed with it :/ Dec 17 17:09:07 i ran sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblkl Dec 17 17:09:33 ZackMorris: do you by any chance try powering off with USB cables all disconnected? Dec 17 17:09:53 tyrus: that looks wrong. gimme a minute and i'll give you better command Dec 17 17:10:00 thanks jebba Dec 17 17:10:06 really appreciate your time Dec 17 17:10:29 tyrus: you're talking about an "additional" microsd card, just to confirm, right? Dec 17 17:10:41 yes, thats right jebba Dec 17 17:11:20 which public GIT server would you recommend for keeping some LGPL sources? Dec 17 17:11:38 RST38h, nooo, don't! Dec 17 17:12:05 hrw: gitorious Dec 17 17:12:09 RST38h, it's a virus. We have to disinfect the current users but we should infect more. Dec 17 17:12:14 hrw: doesnt' matter. gitorious, github, your own machine, sourceforge, whatever you want :) that's the point. but Nokia stuff seems to use gitorious Dec 17 17:12:20 hrw: github and gitorious Dec 17 17:12:28 Besides, it wont get into Extras that way. Dec 17 17:12:34 anidel, ahaha Dec 17 17:12:56 anidel, they followed the doc track around EVERYWHERE Dec 17 17:12:57 :D Dec 17 17:13:02 yeah Dec 17 17:13:23 anidel, they kept telling us to quiet down while we were having discussions, too. Dec 17 17:13:40 GA I've ordered my N900 today at 12:40pm, 13:02 it was shipped, 16:52 it was picked up by DHL!! Dec 17 17:13:52 anidel, we decided at some point we needed to stage a fight in the background. Dec 17 17:13:53 GAN900: yeah.. it happened to me as well once Dec 17 17:14:00 ahahahah Dec 17 17:14:02 that'd be fun :p Dec 17 17:14:26 anidel, I wish they'd wasted less money on overnight international shipping and put it towards a warranty instead. Dec 17 17:14:40 tyrus: sudo sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk1 works for me. Note in your command above you have a "l" (lower L) instead of a 1 (number one), though i think you just typoed that here. Dec 17 17:15:05 oh yeah thats exactly what i ran jebba Dec 17 17:16:12 GAN900: me too. Dec 17 17:16:21 or make it cheaper.. Dec 17 17:17:16 tyrus: try partitioning/formatting on another device then put it in n900 and try it Dec 17 17:17:36 oops sorry dont have n900 jebba :( Dec 17 17:18:27 anidel, infact, I think we're discussing the fight when I look up and grin at the camera around 0:20. *g* Dec 17 17:18:36 anidel, indeed. Dec 17 17:18:41 ehehe Dec 17 17:18:57 but as Quim stated, Forum Nokia deals with company usually Dec 17 17:19:02 *companies Dec 17 17:19:05 International overnight is probably, what, €50 minimum? Dec 17 17:19:13 * timeless_mbp pokes GAN900 elsewhere Dec 17 17:19:29 Working on my Maemo.org Color Scheme Fremantle Theme and was calling it maemo-org then I remembered the whole we cant use the name maemo in anything. Any got any ideas? BTW not only does it use the community colors the theme is a colaboration between several theme designers and Im also going to ask more community members to summit there work for the theme and icons as well? Dec 17 17:20:03 call it fremantle-theme? Dec 17 17:20:05 AndrewFBlack: see what maemo.org wallpaper or bootup screen is called? Dec 17 17:20:18 if there's such a package Dec 17 17:20:25 maemo.org is OK Dec 17 17:20:30 Maemo is not Dec 17 17:20:35 oh yeah, right Dec 17 17:20:42 (Maemo.org is not OK) Dec 17 17:20:56 so no big M is ok Dec 17 17:21:09 Look at VDVsx's gratiutous use of the maemo.org logo in BlueMaemo. :D Dec 17 17:21:23 As long as it has a ".org" on the end. Dec 17 17:21:23 Stskeeps, I dont think either of those have a package in extras yet Dec 17 17:21:27 tyrus: well put it in your n810 or whatever it is you have Dec 17 17:21:46 well I used - for the package name maemo-org instead of maemo.org dont think the . will work Dec 17 17:22:11 debian packages in general can use . in the name - not sure about maemo's policies in that regard Dec 17 17:22:16 (or the app manager's, etc) Dec 17 17:22:18 * VDVsx used that logo just to piss GAN900 :D Dec 17 17:23:12 Hydroxide, well I learned something didnt know you could have a . I guess I could change to that but then would have 2 packages in devel Dec 17 17:23:18 openoffice.org-bin is a valid name of a popular Debian package ;) Dec 17 17:23:25 err, -base not -bin Dec 17 17:23:44 true never thought about openoffie.org having the . Dec 17 17:23:46 and so is python2.5 Dec 17 17:24:03 which is not such a good example, since "oh, that's a version number" Dec 17 17:29:23 does nokia update any bundled software packages individually? or is it all pushed out with a new 'firmware' release? Dec 17 17:30:30 I think they have to certify the combinations of software for various purposes, so they push updates at the same time as new firmware goes out Dec 17 17:30:58 Is there some sort of PIM/contact management API on the device? Dec 17 17:31:20 Sargun: I think so but the wiki should have more info, I guess Dec 17 17:31:43 lookin Dec 17 17:34:01 wait, we just use EDS under the hood? Dec 17 17:35:21 Sargun: the device's address book is eds, yes. but you need to access it through libosso-abook to get unified contacts (with the IM presence/etc merged in) Dec 17 17:35:40 darn Dec 17 17:35:49 otherwise, I could just shove my data into EDS Dec 17 17:36:09 what is your data? if you're syncing normal contacts etc, that should work with eds Dec 17 17:36:27 it has one book for the "master contacts" using the file backend, and the UI merges together the telepathy contacts on the fly Dec 17 17:36:51 http://blog.barisione.org/2009-10/contacts-on-maemo/ Dec 17 17:37:24 has anyone made it so i can sync my google contacts to n900 yet? Dec 17 17:37:57 google is in a competitive position with nokia, so i wouldn't expect too much goodness from them Dec 17 17:38:30 you can, theoretically, configure the Exchange syncing to work with Google Dec 17 17:38:33 but it doesn't work too well Dec 17 17:38:45 haha, no, it works rather horribly IIRC Dec 17 17:39:21 pupnik: not really, Google Talk and search are integrated on the device. Google is an advertising company, Android is just bought to push their services more, it doesn't mean they'll stop pushing them on other platforms too... Dec 17 17:39:38 Sargun: yeah, you can use EDS directly, but be prepared to have to change your code as soon as you want to do something more complex Dec 17 17:39:40 pupnik: why would they have google maps on iPhone, or maps/gmail/etc on S60, etc... Dec 17 17:40:13 one day google will rule us all Dec 17 17:40:16 Sargun: but OssoABookContact is derived from EContact, EDS is not hidden at all Dec 17 17:40:23 s/google/borg/ Dec 17 17:40:24 ifreq meant: one day borg will rule us all Dec 17 17:41:25 Meep, why wont the N900 sync with my zimbra server, rawr. Dec 17 17:41:52 or Ovi needs contacts import/export Dec 17 17:42:30 Lynoure: http://gitorious.org/qt-module-player/qt-module-player Dec 17 17:43:00 Robot101: good points thanks Dec 17 17:44:19 So, is there hope that one day Zimbra Server will work with the n900? Dec 17 17:44:40 there is quite a lot of hope Dec 17 17:45:19 ifreq, what is the root of this hope? You know, it was the only sin that failed to escape from pandora's box Dec 17 17:45:20 pupnik: so, I do hope we'll get google maps for maemo... :D Dec 17 17:45:35 bb in few Dec 17 17:45:36 Why would you want Google Maps? Dec 17 17:45:51 Sargun: were just in start of our n900 journey.. everything is possible so long as we keep stuff open Dec 17 17:45:52 openstreetmap is awesome in my area Dec 17 17:45:57 Sargun: the integrated streetview stuff looks quite shiny - though I haven't used it Dec 17 17:46:13 SpeedEvil1, I thought that was only available on Android Dec 17 17:46:16 pupnik: yeah - I'm trying to work out how to take pictures through osm2go Dec 17 17:46:35 the presentation by Till was real good. I hope we can someday see those online. Dec 17 17:46:35 pupnik: yeah openstreetmap is cool (using with biking instead of $$$ maps) Dec 17 17:46:36 pupnik: I've done my first mapping using n900 Dec 17 17:46:50 Trivial tho Dec 17 17:47:09 But it diddn't seem too inaccurate - even in front trouser pocket when driving Dec 17 17:48:19 ifreq, i really like that quote Dec 17 17:48:51 shame i cant retweet from irc to twitter :) Dec 17 17:49:04 hehe well you can repaste it Dec 17 17:49:39 irc to twitter would be a lot of spam *g* Dec 17 17:50:00 nahh i would want direct irc to twitter all the time Dec 17 17:50:04 join #maemo-devel Dec 17 17:50:15 really put a strain on the servers - we create so much content/noice down here :) Dec 17 17:50:40 The silliest thing I've seen using twitter is my calorie tracking site. Dec 17 17:50:50 you can set it to tweet every food item you eat Dec 17 17:51:10 someone setup a lovemaking twitter Dec 17 17:51:20 using a pressure pad in his mates marital bed Dec 17 17:51:25 everytime they hump it will tweet Dec 17 17:51:27 haha Dec 17 17:51:30 haha Dec 17 17:51:36 nerdy+++ Dec 17 17:51:37 * lcuk finds it Dec 17 17:52:01 i can see myself using flickr rather more with the phone. Dec 17 17:52:20 now that' it's ~3 buttons to share. Dec 17 17:53:05 http://mashable.com/2009/12/12/twitter-bed-sex/ Dec 17 17:53:25 SpeedEvil1, i would want live 0 button feed streaming Dec 17 17:53:45 the kernel developer feeding all commands from bash shell to twitter live was funny too Dec 17 17:53:55 yes, I would like that too. Dec 17 17:54:03 open shutter -> video Dec 17 17:54:13 i do it now with liqbase sketches and screenshots and photos can go up Dec 17 17:54:16 And a pocket with a hole in the right place Dec 17 17:54:53 qik could do that probably Dec 17 17:56:05 suihkulokki, you need dual led enabled whilst taking movies Dec 17 17:59:20 that would be nice. Dec 17 18:00:49 re Dec 17 18:00:58 hello Dec 17 18:08:10 hrw: cool, I take a loot at it after booting from gnome to kde... maybe pulseaudio messing things up, or something Dec 17 18:08:17 s/loot/look Dec 17 18:09:28 help please ..is anyone here familiar with Nokia N900 ? Dec 17 18:09:46 Yes... Dec 17 18:09:56 an0therb0x: the what? Dec 17 18:10:03 an0therb0x: Is it some sort of car? Dec 17 18:10:16 In short, yes, quite a few people. Dec 17 18:10:31 * mgedmin is personally familiar with two Nokia N900s Dec 17 18:11:58 ml-mobile: i have a bluetooth headset connected to the N900 and the ring tone only goes to the headset ...is it possible to change that so the ringing comes through the N900 instead Dec 17 18:12:56 an0therb0x, Not that i know of Dec 17 18:13:08 http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2009/12/17/released-sources-of-my-protracker-module-player/ Dec 17 18:14:15 see you tomorrow Dec 17 18:16:01 please add 'ping' to maemo 5 sdk Dec 17 18:16:45 AndrewFBlack: thanks Dec 17 18:20:08 jebba mine goes thru that cycle indefinitely Dec 17 18:20:19 after a flash or even after powering down in rd mode Dec 17 18:20:35 rebooting? Dec 17 18:21:22 Hi! Is there any progress on using opensync with the n900? Dec 17 18:23:08 i think the correct question would be 'is there any progress on using opensync with anything?' Dec 17 18:23:37 sync is a myth Dec 17 18:23:45 * mgedmin could never reliably sync anything to anything Dec 17 18:23:50 anyone know why maemo downloads keeps resetting the changes i apply to my page? Dec 17 18:23:55 rsync! Dec 17 18:23:58 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/liqtorch/ Dec 17 18:24:04 oh, don't get me started Dec 17 18:24:07 ZackMorris: so basically you set r&d mode and you can boot up once. Then after that you're hosed. Dec 17 18:24:08 i keep changing the description and it keeps getting reverted Dec 17 18:24:12 tho my edit history shows the data Dec 17 18:24:15 mgedmin: i had the same experience Dec 17 18:26:37 correct jebba Dec 17 18:26:49 seems like bug 7019 might be related to my issue Dec 17 18:26:50 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7019 Release source code of "getbootstate" Dec 17 18:26:53 anybody have aplay (alsaplayer) binary for n900 lying around? Dec 17 18:27:03 ZackMorris: vote for it. Dec 17 18:27:04 i cannot get src packages atm Dec 17 18:27:06 because I checked the filesystem and it is not full Dec 17 18:27:12 Ok, so is there ary progress on any PIM-data transfer between the N900 and a linux machine? Dec 17 18:27:27 ZackMorris: though the bug talked about in #7019 isn't repeating reboots. Dec 17 18:27:43 I mean, the contacts are evolution data and the calendar is sqlite, so it can't be that complicated... Dec 17 18:27:44 johnq, I'm pessimistic about that Dec 17 18:27:47 its about the source code that is related to it Dec 17 18:27:49 i think Dec 17 18:27:51 a kernel with console shown would probably give more info, but it shoots by pretty quick. Dec 17 18:27:53 and after all, the N900 is said to "support" syncml Dec 17 18:27:54 you're the reporter on it correct Dec 17 18:27:58 ZackMorris: ah ya. Dec 17 18:27:58 i did vote for it Dec 17 18:28:04 cool :) Dec 17 18:28:05 bug 666 is evil Dec 17 18:28:06 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=666 Problems with Javascript setTimeout function Dec 17 18:28:18 mgedmin: did you try anything or have you heard of anybody trying anything? Dec 17 18:28:19 ZackMorris, jebba: I found that disabling off mode in /etc/pmconfig effectively resolved the issue for me Dec 17 18:28:26 bug 123 Dec 17 18:28:27 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123 Dialogs will be transparent as soon as tiping on the top bar Dec 17 18:28:34 lol Dec 17 18:28:42 ml-mobile what are the steps to doing that? Dec 17 18:28:51 here is another weird thing, i've had the device on for quite a while Dec 17 18:28:56 johnq, no Dec 17 18:28:58 usually there is some battery drainage Dec 17 18:29:04 the battery status bar is showing full Dec 17 18:29:06 i am in rd mode Dec 17 18:29:08 ZackMorris: read the last comment just added to the bug and describe *your* bug which is probably related to getbootstate too and say we can't debug *IT* cuz no codez Dec 17 18:29:18 well, I tried multisync and various other phone-pim-sync solutions, all failed with my Series 40 phones Dec 17 18:29:25 Theme "Reflect" now in extras-testing. I encourage everyone to try it out! Dec 17 18:29:25 install rootsh and edit that file, then reboot Dec 17 18:29:30 for lax values of "failed" Dec 17 18:29:35 I could make backups of my contacts Dec 17 18:29:39 by the way, obex ftp works perfectly here Dec 17 18:29:41 but merge them to something else? forget it Dec 17 18:29:51 calendar? don't even think Dec 17 18:30:07 Hildon Home is crashing at least 2 dozen a day. Dec 17 18:30:08 it could be S40's fault Dec 17 18:30:10 times Dec 17 18:30:12 ml-mobile: cool thx :) hadnt even looked at that file yet. Soooooo much still left to explore ;) Dec 17 18:30:12 GAN900, plugin Dec 17 18:30:16 widget Dec 17 18:30:27 isolate which one causes that, you'll be happier Dec 17 18:30:46 it's a workaround, will be waiting on a real fix from Nokia Dec 17 18:30:46 ok added comment Dec 17 18:31:07 ZackMorris: cool thx :) Dec 17 18:31:21 up to 1 day, 2h32m Dec 17 18:31:22 mgedmin, they're all stock Nokia ones. Dec 17 18:31:44 mgedmin: backup of your contacts of the series 40 phone or of the n900? Dec 17 18:31:56 GAN900, interesting! Dec 17 18:32:01 maybe try crash-reporter? Dec 17 18:32:17 johnq, tried that, n900 gave up Dec 17 18:32:24 used my SIM card for transferring contacts Dec 17 18:32:37 ok installed rootsh Dec 17 18:32:37 put it back into the Nokia 6600 (the S40 phone), now my phone lists each contact twice Dec 17 18:32:51 whats the command line to edit what you spoke of ml-mobile Dec 17 18:32:52 the whole IT industry sucks Dec 17 18:32:53 mgedmin: why didn't just copying the evolution file help? Dec 17 18:33:03 * mgedmin puts user-hat on Dec 17 18:33:09 copying the whatnot? Dec 17 18:33:28 also, there's no evolution file on my nokia 6600 Dec 17 18:33:57 mgedmin, NITRO is the reason I know it's crashing. Dec 17 18:34:17 * mgedmin has to mention, for full disclosure reasons, that he's irritable when he's hungry or has a headache, which is a good description for the current state of affairs Dec 17 18:34:27 GAN900, what's NITRO? Dec 17 18:34:28 mgedmin: syncml-obex-client -b xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx 10 --slow-sync text/x-vcard Contacts --wbxml \ --identifier "PC Suite" --dumpinfo --version 1.1 --useStringTable Dec 17 18:34:32 argl Dec 17 18:34:41 Eero's crahs reporter. :) Dec 17 18:34:46 mgedmin: /home/usr/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db Dec 17 18:35:13 ml-mobile can you direct me to a bug report or thread where you've discussed this Dec 17 18:35:37 I think it was bug 6335 Dec 17 18:35:38 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6335 Bluetooth network profiles (NAP, GN) not functional Dec 17 18:35:41 no Dec 17 18:36:09 can't check now Dec 17 18:36:47 ZackMorris: check https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350#c42 too Dec 17 18:36:52 ml-mobile exactly what do you edit in pmconfig Dec 17 18:36:53 Bug 6350: getbootstate bricks the device after 17 reboots if there are no normal boots in between them Dec 17 18:37:21 yeah i've checked that bug a million times and nothing that has stopped the boots Dec 17 18:37:34 the line that reads "enable_off_mode" I changed to zero Dec 17 18:39:10 lcuk, no icon for liqtorch? Dec 17 18:39:15 sorry kinda a noob here what do i type into xterm Dec 17 18:39:34 AndrewFBlack, liqtorch has action shots for its screenshots Dec 17 18:39:46 and, yeah theres an icon Dec 17 18:39:47 its a sun Dec 17 18:40:18 ahh some applications the icons never show up until I reboot must be one of those times Dec 17 18:40:31 :) yeah, ther's not really much to show for the application interface Dec 17 18:40:34 very useful though Dec 17 18:40:48 i've been playing with your liqflow a bit Dec 17 18:40:50 ah great, copying addressbook.db works Dec 17 18:40:55 its pretty funn to mess around with Dec 17 18:41:02 at least from N900 to evoution Dec 17 18:41:08 el_zilcho, yeah - app design is very minimalistic lol Dec 17 18:41:11 liqflow is cool Dec 17 18:41:12 I'm sure this is a FAQ but I'm not sure where to look. rootsh tells me that the 'rootsh' command in the terminal is deprecated. where can I find the rationale behind this? Dec 17 18:41:15 and its in extras now! Dec 17 18:41:35 now that phase is over i can pus hthe new changes aSIMULAter and I discussed Dec 17 18:41:41 and make it even betterererere Dec 17 18:41:41 asimulator showed me the youtube vid and then i had to go get it Dec 17 18:41:48 * lcuk nods Dec 17 18:42:05 ok just tried typing edit /etc/pmconfig Dec 17 18:42:16 haha my lack of skills is embarassing Dec 17 18:42:48 ZackMorris: btw, i'm kind of guessing your device is failing the fsck and just tries to do it over & over. Perhaps your flash is zhot Dec 17 18:42:50 shot Dec 17 18:43:07 hey... noob question here... there's an /etc/cron.daily/ but there is seemingly no crontab for me to set up jobs on custom schedules... any insight? Dec 17 18:43:10 zzzzzzoot! Dec 17 18:43:15 lcuk, what changes you making? Dec 17 18:43:28 lcuk, putting some sheep on it? Dec 17 18:43:45 even an app name would be adequate, i can do the rest from there Dec 17 18:44:13 i just can't figure out what is actually invoking the /etc/cron.daily/ stuff Dec 17 18:44:24 AndrewFBlack, :) Dec 17 18:44:29 lots of changes Dec 17 18:44:49 el_zilcho: maybe try running crontab -e ? Dec 17 18:44:51 el_zilcho, i dont think cron exists properly Dec 17 18:44:56 it never used to, mightv been added Dec 17 18:44:58 lots of changes = rewrite = new fancy bugs :D Dec 17 18:44:59 but from memory its not there Dec 17 18:45:04 anidel, not at all Dec 17 18:45:07 ahah Dec 17 18:45:08 that's why i was confused Dec 17 18:45:09 ive already done all the variaitons Dec 17 18:45:19 ok Dec 17 18:45:33 ive got alpha blended ones, ive got a version which goes to 2000 particles Dec 17 18:45:42 and ive done one with stars Dec 17 18:45:46 hand drawn might i add Dec 17 18:46:08 i even did a sheep avoidance one Dec 17 18:46:13 but the algo needs more work Dec 17 18:48:01 what would I need to get a 3g usb stick working with n810, software wise? Dec 17 18:49:27 AndrewFBlack, dont you think that shop says "Kathy" all over it Dec 17 18:49:48 lcuk, lol very much Dec 17 18:51:05 jebba possiblly it was mentioned in that bug, any workarounds for the flash being shot? Dec 17 18:52:21 why is permission denied to /etc/pmconfig Dec 17 18:52:24 do i need to sudo? Dec 17 18:52:34 yes Dec 17 18:52:40 yes to sudo Dec 17 18:52:51 if your flash is shot, well, it's shot. Dec 17 18:52:56 that's just speculation tho Dec 17 18:53:28 i did sudo gainroot Dec 17 18:53:36 then entered rootsh /etc/pmconfig Dec 17 18:53:41 permission deined Dec 17 18:53:42 denied even Dec 17 18:54:00 ZackMorris: yeah, you need to give the name of an editor Dec 17 18:54:03 is your console showing a $ or # Dec 17 18:54:12 ZackMorris are you Chuck Norris in disguise? Dec 17 18:54:15 ZackMorris: for example, 'nano /etc/pmconfig' Dec 17 18:54:25 ZackMorris: after sudo gainroot Dec 17 18:54:31 ZackMorris: that serves the same purpose as the rootsh command Dec 17 18:54:44 right now # Dec 17 18:54:58 (I'd still like someone to explain why the rootsh command is deprecated, but that's separate from helping ZackMorris ) Dec 17 18:55:13 you can use 'id' to check if you are roor Dec 17 18:55:15 root Dec 17 18:55:51 he's root. the problem is that he is trying to execute a config file instead of edit it Dec 17 18:56:06 gid=0 root Dec 17 18:56:13 ah ok didn't read so far Dec 17 18:56:40 ZackMorris: try 'nano /etc/pmconfig' Dec 17 18:56:45 hmm like i said im fairly new to all this Dec 17 18:57:00 it said /bin/sh : nano: not found Dec 17 18:57:10 oh... I'm not sure what user-friendly editors are there :) Dec 17 18:57:16 * Hydroxide is used to a UNIX-y editor Dec 17 18:57:28 ok let me get an editor i dont think i did that Dec 17 18:57:34 i take it you reccommend nano Dec 17 18:57:44 well that's one that would work in the terminal Dec 17 18:57:52 leafpad, you go that? Dec 17 18:57:56 that's easy editor Dec 17 18:58:04 jebba: does that work with files where you need to be root? Dec 17 18:58:06 much smaller than VIM too leafpad is gui. Dec 17 18:58:10 sudo vim /etc/foo ya Dec 17 18:58:13 vi Dec 17 18:58:24 getting leafpad now Dec 17 18:58:26 vi 20M, leafpad a few hundred k ;) Dec 17 18:58:41 jebba: and leafpad works with files needing to be root? Dec 17 18:58:43 anidel: but do you recommend vi to a user about to edit a critical file as root for the first time? Dec 17 18:58:57 anidel: that's why I was suggesting nano - it's relatively user-friendly despite being in the terminal. Dec 17 18:59:01 and nano is easy? Dec 17 18:59:03 :) Dec 17 18:59:06 yes, relatively speaking Dec 17 18:59:14 ok leafpad opened up Dec 17 18:59:22 eheh to edit or add a line vi is pretty easy Dec 17 18:59:34 Hydroxide: sudo leafpad /etc/pmconfig YES Dec 17 18:59:42 jebba: ok. Dec 17 18:59:52 ZackMorris: you gotta run it like: sudo leafpad /etc/pmconfig Dec 17 18:59:55 jebba: (though personally it scares me to run GUI code as root...) Dec 17 19:00:00 execpt how do you type insert on the N900 with vim? Dec 17 19:00:07 got it Dec 17 19:00:08 Laiska: 'i' Dec 17 19:00:09 Laiska: i Dec 17 19:00:18 check Dec 17 19:00:29 leafpad is far more lightweight than vi too ;) Dec 17 19:00:31 you need to follow him anyway with nano Dec 17 19:00:31 so... Dec 17 19:00:31 and vi is there already Dec 17 19:00:32 just tell him step by step...and it should be fine Dec 17 19:00:55 i don't think that CTRL-X ESC or whatever is easier than :x Dec 17 19:01:01 jebba: lightweight than vim probably.. plain vi is very light too Dec 17 19:01:03 anidel: for a one-time thing, maybe. for him becoming self-sufficient, nano is much quicker to learn. I'm not anti-vi; I use it myself. and stop confusing nano with emacs :) Dec 17 19:01:04 true about leafpad though Dec 17 19:01:18 hmm Dec 17 19:01:19 ahahah ok :) Dec 17 19:01:29 nothing happened Dec 17 19:01:36 openstreetmap is too sexy. Dec 17 19:01:49 walking home see ya later Dec 17 19:03:10 ZackMorris: if you want nano, you can install it with apt-get install nano as root. if you want to use leafpad, continue working with jebba Dec 17 19:04:16 * mece <3 nano Dec 17 19:04:18 ZackMorris: then just make your changes via nano, then press ctrl-x to exit, and allow it to save when it asks you to Dec 17 19:04:23 nano! nano! Dec 17 19:04:28 ZackMorris: the keyboard shortcuts are also shown on the screen Dec 17 19:04:32 ZackMorris: what do you mean "nothing happened" ? the editor didnt open? Dec 17 19:04:53 what version of nano is in the repo? I compiled mine myself from some svn Dec 17 19:05:04 mece: seems like 2.0.7-4 Dec 17 19:05:27 mece: no idea what the newest version is, but for simple config file editing any version will do Dec 17 19:05:30 2.2.0 here. Yay me! Dec 17 19:05:34 cool :) Dec 17 19:05:57 yeah, looks like fremantle has the same version as debian lenny Dec 17 19:06:07 debian squeeze/sid have 2.2.0, but that's quite new of course Dec 17 19:06:14 Oh shit, this new nano still crashes on Ctrl-W Dec 17 19:06:18 s/ of course// Dec 17 19:06:19 Hydroxide meant: debian squeeze/sid have 2.2.0, but that's quite new Dec 17 19:06:25 mine does not crash Dec 17 19:06:30 on ctrlw- Dec 17 19:06:33 ctrl-w Dec 17 19:06:39 try again Dec 17 19:06:40 ctrl-w is sweet Dec 17 19:06:43 ok.. Dec 17 19:06:45 the editor didnt open Dec 17 19:06:59 jebba: are you still around to help ZackMorris with leafpad? Dec 17 19:07:10 Aaanyway. Dec 17 19:07:26 mece: open the editor, press ctrl-w, type something, press enter Dec 17 19:07:29 and see it crash Dec 17 19:07:38 is anyone interested in mp3splt? Should I make an effort to get it into devel? Dec 17 19:07:40 there is the cut and paste arrow on the right Dec 17 19:07:42 RST38h: it crashes for me too, but he's using a different version Dec 17 19:07:46 note i can only use vw keyboard right now Dec 17 19:07:47 ZackMorris: so you are just sitting at a command prompt with "sudo leafpad /etc/pmconfig " ? Dec 17 19:07:53 correct jebba Dec 17 19:07:54 I am using 2.0.7 out of the repos Dec 17 19:08:06 jebba: sudo doesn't work by default with rootsh installed. maybe you installed sudser too? Dec 17 19:08:15 jebba: except for sudo gainroot aka root Dec 17 19:08:30 RST38h, ok. it crashed. interesting enough I used ctrl-w earlier today and it didn't crash... Dec 17 19:08:36 hello, is there a working todo app for maemo 5? Dec 17 19:08:41 RST38h, oh wait.. it was in sb Dec 17 19:08:49 ZackMorris: do this: ctrl-c, then "sudo gainroot" then "leafpad /etc/pmconfig" Dec 17 19:08:52 RST38h, annoying. Dec 17 19:08:59 (I may have set up sudo custom) Dec 17 19:09:02 BluesLee: I believe the built-in calendar app has it Dec 17 19:09:24 anyway to do ctrl on the virtual keyboard Dec 17 19:09:25 because Dec 17 19:09:34 ZackMorris: there's a physical keyboard Ctrl button too Dec 17 19:09:35 if i hit ctrl on my physical, screen shuts down Dec 17 19:09:51 dude, your system is just fucked if that is happening. Dec 17 19:09:56 ZackMorris: that totally shouldn't happen Dec 17 19:09:59 you should just send it back Dec 17 19:10:26 i think you have a corrupt root file system that cannot be fixed hence it just fscks itself over & over and eventually bricks. Dec 17 19:10:49 Hydroxide: thats true but it isnt very useful when activating the calendar applet it shows the calendar entries prior so that the the todos arent shown Dec 17 19:10:53 jebba: did he try flashing it? I missed the answer but that would replace a corrupt fs Dec 17 19:10:55 hmm Dec 17 19:11:01 yeah i did flash Dec 17 19:11:01 Hydroxide: yes he has iirc Dec 17 19:11:03 multiple times Dec 17 19:11:11 both us and global versions Dec 17 19:11:14 unable to flash eMMC Dec 17 19:11:18 like broken flash chip or something Dec 17 19:11:25 BluesLee: ah. I haven't tried to use it for todo myself. check the repositories... sorry Dec 17 19:11:37 ZackMorris: yeah, I agree with jebba then. send it back for warranty repair Dec 17 19:11:39 i also tried the other ones from testing and devel, gpe-todo crashs, ztodo does nothing:-) Dec 17 19:11:40 i dont understand because the device was working 100% fine for a week, had issues with the charger, then that Dec 17 19:11:46 Hydroxide: no problem Dec 17 19:11:58 i work for pcmall Dec 17 19:12:00 i bought it from pcmall Dec 17 19:12:02 do we have an offline wikipedia reader? Dec 17 19:12:05 pcmall has no stock Dec 17 19:12:38 ZackMorris: the normal nokia manufacturer's warranty should still apply, yes? Dec 17 19:12:42 BluesLee: no, but i have built one before. Dec 17 19:12:53 jebba: which one? Dec 17 19:12:58 a very small one though of just 2000 articles or someting Dec 17 19:13:16 i built it for eee, not n900 Dec 17 19:13:27 did have graphics though. Dec 17 19:13:35 based on xulrunner Dec 17 19:13:49 jebba: okay, this one is also very nice http://www.reitwiessner.de/openmoko/evopedia.html Dec 17 19:14:18 jebba: it uses the squashfs and integrates gps Dec 17 19:14:30 jebba: i used it on my freerunner Dec 17 19:15:18 jebba: it uses midori as a default browser but any other should also do the job Dec 17 19:15:44 hmm, didn't someone make a script that exports n900 gps over bluetooth? Dec 17 19:16:09 BluesLee: wow cool. I'll immediately dive into that. Dec 17 19:16:11 * jebba goes hide Dec 17 19:16:22 jebba: as i see the link to the sources is broken Dec 17 19:17:10 jebba: i will ask the author for the sources Dec 17 19:18:11 yeah looks like this is going to have to go back Dec 17 19:18:16 :-( Dec 17 19:19:06 all: Dec 17 19:19:17 BluesLee: git clone git://github.com/crei/evopedia.git is working for me Dec 17 19:19:30 ZackMorris: sorry to hear it but it's better than living with a broken device for its lifetime. you'll still get a fixed one back Dec 17 19:19:40 jebba: ahh, okay Dec 17 19:19:48 yeah its true Dec 17 19:20:21 weird thing too Jebba when I take out battery put in usb, put back in battery, it reboots in usb mode, then the usb logo disappears and it goes to the baloons and then boom starts all over again Dec 17 19:21:00 ya, goes to balloons, tries fsck, fails Dec 17 19:21:29 fsck has nothing to do wtih eMMC correct Dec 17 19:22:05 fsck checks your filesystem. If your flash is busted your fsck will fail and reboot. Dec 17 19:24:48 Hi! I'm young developer for maemo. I need your help.* And I don't khow English well =((* Dec 17 19:26:05 Does Maemo kernel supports "kernel markers" and how I can prove it? Dec 17 19:27:09 i can not work on projects without being able to download -devel packages into sbox vm Dec 17 19:27:45 BluesLee: evopedia uses squashfs which is not in maemo kernel (squashfs is out-of-tree for 2.6.28) Dec 17 19:28:24 so that's a read show-stopper. And the git archive doesn't have a single README or any docs of a any sort.... Dec 17 19:28:41 eluiandil: do you know what the .config option is for kernel markers? Dec 17 19:29:06 * timeless_mbp pokes people Dec 17 19:29:11 anyone wanna try a package? Dec 17 19:29:58 they do have dumps though already which is nice: http://www.starox.org/pub/evopedia/wikipedia_dumps/en/wikipedia.squashfs Dec 17 19:30:12 timeless_mbp: what package? ... Dec 17 19:30:47 jebba: that shoudnt be hard to add readme etc i would contact the author but i was not aware of the fact that the kernel on the n900 was <=2.6.29 Dec 17 19:31:23 jebba: where i can read about it? Dec 17 19:31:27 jebba: maemo-splash Dec 17 19:32:03 timeless_mbp: btw, Reflect is now in testing, with conversations fixed. Dec 17 19:32:47 eluiandil: do you know what the .config name, like EXT2=y is for kernel markers? I can check for it if you want, but i dont know the name offhand Dec 17 19:33:29 BluesLee: ya, not just 2.6.28, also that the module isn't built in by default of course makes it more problematic. I also launched the python app and got nothing, but that doesn't mean toooooo much. Dec 17 19:33:56 apt-cache search maemo-splash nada Dec 17 19:35:49 jebba: on my zaurus i used zbedic for offline wikipedia which is also available for the older nxxx models or not? Dec 17 19:38:41 jebba: Ohh... When I can read about kernel markers? I want to do this by myself Dec 17 19:39:01 joppu: you need to fix the sim entry dialog Dec 17 19:39:40 eluiandil: check kernelnewbies.org Dec 17 19:39:57 jebba: thanx) Dec 17 19:40:51 BluesLee: no idea about either, but will investigate if you point me to them Dec 17 19:40:53 anybody got synergy built for n900? Dec 17 19:41:10 timeless_mbp: there's currently nothing I can do. And it's not a major bug, is it? Dec 17 19:41:27 well, there are two bugs: Dec 17 19:41:40 so any word on any forthcoming nokia patches? Dec 17 19:41:40 1. last i checked you had an [x] at the top right corner, where normal themes have no such thing Dec 17 19:41:41 for the N900? Dec 17 19:42:05 2. until i enter enough numbers, the login button is flat (text color = background color) Dec 17 19:42:15 siriusnova: it's a secret Dec 17 19:42:15 hhmm Dec 17 19:42:22 oh Dec 17 19:42:24 even the managers at nokia don't know :) Dec 17 19:42:33 :/ Dec 17 19:42:41 the n900 in its current form is really buggy Dec 17 19:42:51 tons of rebooting, portrait mode doesnt work Dec 17 19:42:54 Hello Early Adopter Dec 17 19:42:57 lol Dec 17 19:42:59 I know Dec 17 19:42:59 doesn't work? Dec 17 19:42:59 :/ Dec 17 19:43:17 there will be some updates. probably. sit tight. :) Dec 17 19:43:18 yeah when you use the dialer in portrait mode it pops up the keyboard Dec 17 19:43:19 portrait mode exists for what, Call UI and perhaps Image Viewer Dec 17 19:43:21 and i have to deselect it Dec 17 19:43:22 everytime Dec 17 19:43:26 in settings Dec 17 19:43:30 thats kind of dumb Dec 17 19:43:31 :( Dec 17 19:43:32 keyboard? Dec 17 19:43:38 ltimeless_mbp: lol Dec 17 19:43:47 timeless_mbp: well, then give it a thumbs down, even though there's nothing I can do :P Dec 17 19:44:08 siriusnova: i've had no reboots? Dec 17 19:44:24 ive had a few Dec 17 19:44:35 redeeman: it's not a universal problem Dec 17 19:44:59 * ml-mobile had them constantly until yesterday Dec 17 19:45:25 siriusnova: ctrl-shift-p lets you create screen shots Dec 17 19:45:30 can you make one of this keyboard? Dec 17 19:45:38 uh Dec 17 19:45:40 its in settings Dec 17 19:45:44 display settings i think Dec 17 19:45:47 or something Dec 17 19:50:21 maemo-splash++ Dec 17 19:51:34 seems like n900fly updates 7 times today Dec 17 19:51:49 Is it possible to change to a dvorak keymap on the N900? Dec 17 19:53:02 reset Dec 17 19:53:11 before I destructomogrify something, is it safe to move the baseq3 directory to ~/MyDocs/Q3/baseq3 and ln it from ~/baseq3 ? the pk3 files are so bloody big.. Dec 17 19:53:17 sorry Dec 17 20:07:59 anyone using the maemo sdk virtual image? Dec 17 20:08:32 time to test the earphones that came with n900 Dec 17 20:08:38 lets see if they are any good Dec 17 20:08:40 I'm sure they're *GREAT* :P Dec 17 20:08:51 does it work as handsfree? Dec 17 20:09:04 I'll just default to my sony mdr-v600 Dec 17 20:10:30 No one gotten the maemo sdk virtual image working? Dec 17 20:10:49 tcarl|work: yes. Dec 17 20:11:00 Do anything special? Dec 17 20:11:12 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#SDK Dec 17 20:11:18 my esbox pymaemo project didn't want to run :( Dec 17 20:11:24 or rather, create. Dec 17 20:11:56 I meant the vmware ubuntu system. Dec 17 20:14:35 Do non-english keyboards not have up& down arrows? (!!!) Dec 17 20:14:52 jebba: I believe that is the case. Dec 17 20:15:21 how the fk can they not have up/down arrow? wtf?! Dec 17 20:15:21 jebba, It's not as bad as it sounds. if you need them for playing you can just reconfigure to us keyboard. Dec 17 20:15:36 mece: how does one reconfigure them? Dec 17 20:15:44 choose different language Dec 17 20:15:48 for keyboard. Dec 17 20:15:49 hmm Dec 17 20:15:53 that's not a very good option. Dec 17 20:16:02 jebba, how so? Dec 17 20:16:23 because telling a user they have to reconfigure their keyboard to another language to play a game is FAIL Dec 17 20:17:07 is there an apifor ovi maps ? Dec 17 20:17:10 to embed it in other apps ? Dec 17 20:17:13 (i can obviously do that on my own system, but not expect it of others, especially new users) Dec 17 20:17:35 jebba, I guess it depends on the game. I don't know how they are configured. Some might have specified the key, not the character. That way it should work directly. Dec 17 20:17:54 i'm talking specifically about up & down arrows in burgerspace, if that helps :) Dec 17 20:18:14 I've yet to hear anyone complain about it. What's burgerspace? Dec 17 20:18:16 you know of any fotos of these keyboards? Dec 17 20:18:26 you can also edit the keymap i think.. atleast on n810 you could Dec 17 20:18:30 xkb keymap :) Dec 17 20:18:41 a game i am packaging. Here's the complaint mece: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/burgerspace/1.8.3-10/ Dec 17 20:19:04 jaska: that is total FAIL. I have a hard time grokking xkb/keymaps, it can hardly be expected of users. Dec 17 20:19:04 google finnish keyboard n900. First image hit (and second and third) Dec 17 20:19:10 thx mece Dec 17 20:19:30 http://www.cs.hut.fi/~kirma/n900-nordic.jpg Dec 17 20:20:00 hmhm, what are the two buttons on the remote used for? Dec 17 20:20:20 jebba: games should key off hardware keys, not the symbols associated with them Dec 17 20:20:32 http://www.cs.hut.fi/~kirma/n900-nordic.jpg Dec 17 20:20:42 at least if you're talking about keyboard d-pad Dec 17 20:21:16 pupnik: so how should the game be set up? God, in this case it's hardcoded in C, so it's pretty much game over. Dec 17 20:21:49 man i'm glad i dont have to hit Fn to get up/down error Dec 17 20:22:03 arrow freudian slip. And on finnish keyboards, no less Dec 17 20:22:13 annoying Dec 17 20:22:34 Unknown package 'python2.5' for FREMANTLE_ARMEL, not installing >< Dec 17 20:22:49 it's in the SDK or somewhere i have it Dec 17 20:23:03 jebba, i don't know - does game use sdl for input? Dec 17 20:23:13 ah. Dec 17 20:23:22 repository failure. Dec 17 20:23:36 could not stat source package list, http://repository.maemo.org Dec 17 20:23:41 pupnik: yes, believe it is SDL (note i'm just porting someone else's game not my own) Dec 17 20:25:53 jebba, I was annoyed when I saw it, but when using the device I don't mind it at all. I'm very surprised. Dec 17 20:27:11 ok. Still no clue how to go about fixing it. Dec 17 20:27:15 man, pulseaudio is sweet featurewise Dec 17 20:28:04 mece: how does supertux do it on finnish keyboard? Dec 17 20:28:43 jebba, you will need to either make a map for every keyboard layout, or find a way to get the key position and not the reported keysym Dec 17 20:29:19 obviously an issue that extends to many games and not just yours Dec 17 20:30:20 * andre__ curses the sorting of chars in ASCII Dec 17 20:33:04 hrmm. Dec 17 20:33:19 Looks like the vmware maemo sdk image is not good Dec 17 20:37:03 pupnik: getting key position should not be hard Dec 17 20:37:14 pupnik: you are interested in untranslated X11 key events Dec 17 20:38:37 tcarl|work: i can give you access on a machine with a SDK if you want. Dec 17 20:44:27 andre__, surely that's easiest thing to do Dec 17 20:44:36 when you only need to deal with one language :) Dec 17 20:44:52 (I don't think you can write anything else than english sensibly in ascii?) Dec 17 20:46:10 american Dec 17 20:46:14 ty for search term RST38h - do you think my idea is stupid or good? Dec 17 20:46:22 hmm. maybe I should blame Bugzilla developers instead in my case... Dec 17 20:47:00 andre__, it's basically an impossible task Dec 17 20:48:58 * jaem moos Dec 17 20:49:02 either treat all the world as if the speak C, or give up :-( Dec 17 20:49:28 jebba: I'd like to be able to run ESbox though :P Dec 17 20:51:12 no clue what esbox is, but ok Dec 17 20:51:14 Where in maemo(N810) locates vmlinux? I was checked /boot and /usr/src Dec 17 20:51:24 jebba: http://wiki.maemo.org/Eclipse_integration Dec 17 20:51:37 eluiandil, somewhere odd that I can't recall Dec 17 20:52:18 jon1012: check http://maemo.org/packages/view/maep/ Dec 17 20:52:26 Hi Dec 17 20:53:31 jebba: see also: http://esbox.garage.maemo.org/ Dec 17 20:53:39 eluiandil, it's not in the filesystem? Dec 17 20:53:55 I mean I wouldn't think anything would put it there Dec 17 20:54:05 5 days of Docs2Go trial left. As there is still no Koffice, does anyone have idea how to reset the timer? Dec 17 20:54:22 Arkenoi, buy it? Dec 17 20:54:32 google docs? Dec 17 20:54:37 no, but seriously, it's proprietary - have fun Dec 17 20:54:42 jaem, last time i checked it, the "buy" link was broken Dec 17 20:54:46 haha Dec 17 20:54:57 okay, maybe they don't want your money ;) Dec 17 20:55:05 lol Dec 17 20:55:07 looks like that ;-) Dec 17 20:55:18 I liked the clause the EULA saying that they can personally audit your computers at any time if they give you notice Dec 17 20:55:23 mayb the link is into ovi store Dec 17 20:55:31 which is not yet open for n900 Dec 17 20:55:34 I'm in general against software piracy, but when companies fail like that.. Dec 17 20:55:43 nope, to their own website and a dead one ;-) Dec 17 20:55:50 oh.. suckage Dec 17 20:55:56 ShadowJK, now, now, it's not piracy unless it involves raping and pillaging on the high seas Dec 17 20:56:01 but yes, I agree Dec 17 20:56:16 jebba: is there a python api for maep ? Dec 17 20:56:31 jaem, so what about piracy on the caspian sea, is that piracy Dec 17 20:56:39 like isn't it a lake effectively Dec 17 20:56:40 jaem: Given that ship crews are usually all-male, who are you gonna rape on the high seas? Dec 17 20:56:40 not a sea Dec 17 20:56:45 despite the name Dec 17 20:56:51 meh... whatever Dec 17 20:57:06 there's this great picture on wikipedia showing pirates on the caspian Dec 17 20:57:39 I just like to make the point that "piracy" is a completely overblown phrase designed to vilify something of debatable ethics Dec 17 20:57:56 but not necessarily bad, and certainly not "evil" Dec 17 20:58:03 jon1012: dunno Dec 17 20:58:22 RST38h, maybe I was thinking more of vikings Dec 17 20:58:28 with all the piracy this year, the film industry managed a bumper season Dec 17 20:58:30 I'm really happy with google docs.. Dec 17 20:58:49 as in, "The music industry has suffered losses this year, to to raids by Internet Vikings" Dec 17 20:58:58 sounds about as likely as what they claim now Dec 17 20:59:06 jon1012: doesn't look like it. Dec 17 20:59:11 the sales of Ink quadrupled after it was "pirated" Dec 17 21:00:07 did you folks hear about the Canadian artists who've filed a class action suit against the CRIA for ~20 years of systematic copyright infringement? Dec 17 21:00:36 they're asking for $6 billion in damages, which, by the record labels' standards, is an order of magnitude or so too low Dec 17 21:01:21 jebba: ok :( thanks Dec 17 21:01:40 hi guys. a quick question... is it possible to include a 3rd language dictionary to the text input options? Dec 17 21:01:48 jon1012: but perhaps you could contract developer to get more info: Till@Harbaum.org Dec 17 21:01:55 Roaziel, not in the GUI Dec 17 21:02:03 but I'm not sure if it's *possible* or not Dec 17 21:02:04 maybe Dec 17 21:02:06 Ah, the link revived and it is just $10, so i probably buy it ;-) Dec 17 21:02:16 dang... ok. thanks Dec 17 21:02:31 how would it be possible? Dec 17 21:02:37 Roaziel, you could poke around in the config files for it, but I wouldn't know where to start Dec 17 21:02:53 i wouldnt dare :P Dec 17 21:03:07 I'm sorry. I suspect it's not set up for that, but it's possible that it might just be an artificial limitation for simplicity Dec 17 21:03:09 im not so good at being all hacky and stuff :P Dec 17 21:03:13 ah Dec 17 21:03:23 maybe poke timeless and ask him Dec 17 21:03:26 -shrug- Dec 17 21:03:30 ? Dec 17 21:03:34 lol Dec 17 21:03:40 Hey I removed openssh from my N900 doing apt-get remove --purge openssh Dec 17 21:03:45 how can I check that it was in fact removed? Dec 17 21:03:52 if I type ssh I still get a list of commands etc... Dec 17 21:03:53 any idea if more than two dictionaries can be added in the language settings (outside of the GUI)? Dec 17 21:03:59 as if it is still installed Dec 17 21:04:02 dunno Dec 17 21:04:04 Dantonic: dpkg -l Dec 17 21:04:07 i'm pretty sure i don't want to find out :) Dec 17 21:04:16 dang again :P Dec 17 21:04:16 greenfly, what does that do? and thanks Dec 17 21:04:20 timeless_mbp, hehe... okay. Just thought I'd check with you Dec 17 21:04:20 it's probably easier to reverse engineer one of the dictionaries Dec 17 21:04:24 and merge a pair together Dec 17 21:04:28 Dantonic: will tell you the version of the package, if it's installed Dec 17 21:04:29 Roaziel, why do you need three? Dec 17 21:04:38 timeless_mbp, so the format isn't documented, then? Dec 17 21:04:40 ShadowJK, I can't find it Dec 17 21:04:41 coz i speak 3 languages :P Dec 17 21:04:41 ah Dec 17 21:04:44 dunno Dec 17 21:04:45 it might be Dec 17 21:04:47 eluiandil, you wouldn't Dec 17 21:04:51 no version... hmm Dec 17 21:04:55 as i said, i don't want to look :) Dec 17 21:04:59 timeless_mbp, for some value of "documented" :P Dec 17 21:05:03 yeah, I don't blame you Dec 17 21:05:08 Dantonic, I think openssh is a metapackage that depends on openssh-client and openssh-server Dec 17 21:05:12 anyone willing to beta test an app about bars and restaurants ? (right now, the geolocalisation stuff isn't done, so no need to be in one of the cities supported to give feedback :)) Dec 17 21:05:13 my splash package is vaguely shiny Dec 17 21:05:15 ShadowJK, that's correct Dec 17 21:05:17 it just needs a pretty name Dec 17 21:05:18 ShadowJK, ya I see just realized that... Dec 17 21:05:26 client and server are still installed Dec 17 21:05:28 thanks Dec 17 21:05:36 nokia christmas party over! (at least for me) Dec 17 21:05:42 Roaziel, I'll take a quick look at something, but I don't have time to look into it in depth right now Dec 17 21:05:50 so what does apt-cache search do? Dec 17 21:05:53 ok,, thanks :) Dec 17 21:05:55 ShadowJK, i need it to check something. Dec 17 21:05:58 Dantonic, searches the repos, in effect Dec 17 21:06:12 although technically it's searching your cached database that you downloaded from the repo Dec 17 21:06:14 jaem, ah ok Dec 17 21:06:16 hence the name Dec 17 21:06:17 konttori: hehe, plenty of snaps and good food? :) Dec 17 21:06:32 eluiandil, I think easiest would be to follow the wiki instructions for building the N8x0 default kernel with defconfig? :P Dec 17 21:07:02 Stskeeps: no snaps, only the milder drinks. Dec 17 21:07:06 I read that openssh can cause battery drain, not sure if that's true, but I'm willing to try without it... see if my battery improves Dec 17 21:07:19 or at least remove just the server... Dec 17 21:07:27 food was ok. bands were pretty good, extra activities worked out really nice Dec 17 21:07:30 although cat /dev/mtd2ro > kernel might work... Dec 17 21:07:32 Dantonic, I hear turning your device on can cause battery drain! :O Dec 17 21:07:34 konttori: ah, not a real scandinavian xmas lunch then ;) Dec 17 21:07:35 Dantonic: the client wouldn't. the server I wouldn't imagine would cause much Dec 17 21:07:43 lardman, God is calling you to come smack him down. Dec 17 21:07:46 IME the thing that drains the most power is the integrated IM stuff Dec 17 21:07:46 * Arkenoi thinks i'd rather donate that $10 to koffice for maemo development, if there was a way just as handy Dec 17 21:07:54 greenfly, ya I kept the client Dec 17 21:07:55 well, it was a huge event, some thousands of nokians in single place Dec 17 21:08:08 Dantonic, if you're worried, then just disable the openssh daemon on startup Dec 17 21:08:13 konttori: yeah.. then snaps wouldn't work out well Dec 17 21:08:17 and then you can fire it up at will Dec 17 21:08:30 like, symbian and maemoians getting in fist fights while drunk ;p Dec 17 21:08:50 I think it's better to not to spoil the good time by offering some individuals too much to drink Dec 17 21:08:55 jaem, how do I disable it? Dec 17 21:08:56 now everybody was happy Dec 17 21:08:58 yeah Dec 17 21:09:08 Stskeeps, aw, my mental image has them sitting in their own corners Dec 17 21:09:11 Dantonic, um, ell Dec 17 21:09:13 ShadowJK: with n900s? Dec 17 21:09:20 is it /etc/init.d/ssh stop Dec 17 21:09:21 ? Dec 17 21:09:24 ShadowJK, I want to use nm, but i can't find vmlinux(sorry, if i not understand something, what you write - my english is not well:-$) Dec 17 21:09:34 eluiandil, there is no vmlinux on the device Dec 17 21:09:36 * Stskeeps isn't going to any typical danish xmas lunches this year :/ Dec 17 21:09:37 Dantonic, I think they're using upstart now, so I haven't a clue, come to think of it Dec 17 21:09:45 ok Dec 17 21:09:47 np Dec 17 21:09:48 thanks Dec 17 21:09:50 that should still work to manually stop it, but I don't know how to disable it on boot Dec 17 21:10:06 well Idon't really need the server... Dec 17 21:10:12 if they're using upstart, then you could probably search for instructions for Ubuntu Dec 17 21:10:13 I only ssh from my tablet anyway.. Dec 17 21:10:19 Dantonic, yeah, fair enough Dec 17 21:10:36 I was thinking that it would be useful in case you lost it, though :P Dec 17 21:10:46 oh hehe Dec 17 21:10:49 ShadowJK, whar about vmlinuZ? Dec 17 21:10:49 you know, log in and yell at people with espeak Dec 17 21:10:53 *what Dec 17 21:11:28 eluiandil, it doesn't exist Dec 17 21:11:57 The kernel lives on the raw mtd flash Dec 17 21:12:42 If you do 'cat /proc/mtd' you see the partitions. Mine says mtd: ... kernel, so I'd assume kernel is stored raw in there somewhere. Dec 17 21:13:05 Roaziel, you should probably post your question on the forums. I'm sure there's someone else out there who wants the same thing, and it will get more exposure there Dec 17 21:13:11 btw i think it is a good idea to have "donate" button just right in the application manager gui. a good alternative to things like apple store. i think many people do not donate just because it cannot be done in a few clicks. Dec 17 21:13:25 that area of Maemo isn't something I'm very knowledgeable about Dec 17 21:14:07 i'll try to do it Dec 17 21:14:30 Arkenoi, seems rather obnoxious. Dec 17 21:14:32 uhh... which forums? :S Dec 17 21:14:52 Arkenoi: People do not donate. Dec 17 21:14:55 Forget it. Dec 17 21:15:32 rst38h: well, i paid for software several times despite the fact i already had a perfectly working "cracked" version Dec 17 21:16:05 RST38h: yes people do, if it's a good application. For instance ardour. Dec 17 21:16:18 and i remember a few more times i did not just because they accepted paypal only and my cc was not accepted by paypal, etc etc Dec 17 21:16:21 Arkenoi: yes, but this is buying stuff not donating Dec 17 21:16:56 i donated too, for several symbian applications Dec 17 21:17:02 jbaktools and stuff Dec 17 21:17:07 in fact, that's even how bittorrent was for a long time too.... Dec 17 21:17:44 and i did so just because it was easy Dec 17 21:18:12 ya, if it was easy it would fly for sure. "Paypal $5 to author" or somesuch. Dec 17 21:18:42 wikipedia..... Dec 17 21:18:46 * ShadowJK used to rageclose pages only accepting paypal Dec 17 21:18:48 i think the good idea is to let the author choose "recommended" value Dec 17 21:20:19 ah, but i guess ardour guy isn't meeting his goal of $54,000/year in donations, which is a bummer Dec 17 21:20:20 is there a 'sent' box for sms-messages? Dec 17 21:20:37 oh, it's just a conversation look Dec 17 21:22:55 crap. there is a problem with the gui installer, and the repositories >< Dec 17 21:23:10 Err http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org ubuntu-intrepid/free Packages Dec 17 21:23:10 404 Not Found Dec 17 21:24:27 tcarl|work, because there is only jaunty and karmic Dec 17 21:24:34 intrepid is too old Dec 17 21:25:20 tcarl|work: also note that isn't the "official" SDK Dec 17 21:30:22 but, the official SDK errors out on that, jebba. Thats using the .py gui install script. Dec 17 21:30:55 what's the URL of the .py script you have. Dec 17 21:31:23 Where's the fscking Ovi store already, sheesh! Dec 17 21:31:36 jebba: http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html Dec 17 21:31:42 who needs the store when one has app manager/apt-get Dec 17 21:32:46 ShadowJK, /proc/mtd2 - what can i do with it? cat, mount, nm? Dec 17 21:32:48 ok, didnt realize it was grabbing from there. Dec 17 21:33:29 eluiandil, I guess you could try nm /dev/mtd2ro Dec 17 21:33:45 jebba: I'm running the shell scripts to install instead. Dec 17 21:33:58 that seems to be working. Dec 17 21:34:23 ok, i dont even see "garage" appear in the shell scripts Dec 17 21:34:41 but the .py gui script does use it. Dec 17 21:34:46 err wait. nm Dec 17 21:34:55 its the sources.lst in the virtual image >< Dec 17 21:35:41 # Repository for Scratchbox 2 installation Dec 17 21:35:41 deb http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/download/host ubuntu-intrepid free Dec 17 21:35:50 # Repository for PC-Connectivity components Dec 17 21:35:50 deb http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/repository intrepid main Dec 17 21:35:57 thats the problem, the virtual image ships with that. Dec 17 21:37:25 Is there a good place to get themes for Maemo? Dec 17 21:38:44 There will be when there are some themes for Maemo Dec 17 21:39:18 "Note, selecting busybox instead of diff" gah, this is going to cause problems packaging diff, i assume... Dec 17 21:39:20 (for those interested, here are screenshots of a pymaemo app I'm doing... http://i.imagehost.org/0075/screenshot04.png http://i.imagehost.org/0783/screenshot05.png http://i.imagehost.org/0183/screenshot06.png http://i.imagehost.org/0484/screenshot07.png ... someone willing to provide feedback on the ui ? :)) Dec 17 21:39:36 * jebba looks Dec 17 21:40:07 what does the mountain icon mean in #6? Dec 17 21:40:18 "street iew" it's temporary Dec 17 21:40:24 that looks so fkn cool, jon1012 :) Dec 17 21:40:37 hoi jebba Dec 17 21:40:40 ++ Dec 17 21:40:48 nm says me: Warring: '/dev/mtd2ro' is not an orginary file=( Dec 17 21:40:49 hey woglinde, take a look at jon1012 screenshots :) Dec 17 21:41:06 eluiandil, well cat a copy of it first then? Dec 17 21:41:07 jon1012: how far from reality is this program? Like just a few things or just mockup or? Dec 17 21:41:18 Reminds me, I need to start working on a theme Dec 17 21:41:41 jebba: it's working Dec 17 21:41:41 jebba hm? Dec 17 21:41:45 jebba: like screenshot Dec 17 21:41:54 wow cool. :) Dec 17 21:42:09 (06:39:20 PM) jon1012: (for those interested, here are screenshots of a pymaemo app I'm doing... http://i.imagehost.org/0075/screenshot04.png http://i.imagehost.org/0783/screenshot05.png http://i.imagehost.org/0183/screenshot06.png http://i.imagehost.org/0484/screenshot07.png ... someone willing to provide feedback on the ui ? :)) Dec 17 21:42:14 woglinde: ^ Dec 17 21:42:25 can i have it? :) Dec 17 21:42:33 hm google street map hm Dec 17 21:42:39 yes, density of the images and proximity to other irc text makes the ui for perusing the screenshots difficult Dec 17 21:42:54 please spread the screenshots out into a cohesive list Dec 17 21:43:01 :p Dec 17 21:43:08 other than that, the screenies are purdy Dec 17 21:43:40 hi lcuk Dec 17 21:43:48 hiya woglinde Dec 17 21:43:49 ok :) Dec 17 21:44:05 looks good for pythong Dec 17 21:44:06 -g Dec 17 21:44:31 * lcuk has to make python liq apps one day Dec 17 21:45:08 Neglecting technical issues. Dec 17 21:45:20 Does google permit you to use streetview that way? Dec 17 21:45:37 its my street Dec 17 21:45:53 did i give them permission to take pictures of my house? Dec 17 21:46:11 you can take your house off if you want. Dec 17 21:46:49 and google can change their apis if they want :) Dec 17 21:47:06 Or send a cease and desist in some cases Dec 17 21:47:22 I kinda doubt they'd bother, free software (I assume..) and all Dec 17 21:47:37 streetview isn't free, is it? Dec 17 21:47:50 no. Dec 17 21:48:05 Free as in beer, not as in pee Dec 17 21:48:12 speech Dec 17 21:48:44 atleast their map api doesn't give free license for embedding inside applications, IIRC Dec 17 21:48:55 I suppose time will tell?-) Dec 17 21:49:34 Well - fundamentally - they've collected the data - they want to obtain revenue from it. Dec 17 21:49:40 it's a webpages Dec 17 21:49:44 opened with dbus Dec 17 21:49:45 Or alternatively have expensively licensed the data from others Dec 17 21:50:04 using legit api Dec 17 21:50:09 There are permitted ways you can use the content - even if you don't scrape Dec 17 21:50:18 I haven't read the TOS Dec 17 21:50:54 Hi again everybody ! Dec 17 21:50:57 their map api (note, I know nothing of their streetview apis) does give permission to use it for publically accessible services Dec 17 21:51:09 flux: IIRC there are caveats to that. Dec 17 21:51:18 flux: you cannot use it in certain ways. Dec 17 21:51:29 hm someone test qtnx now? Dec 17 21:51:32 args tested Dec 17 21:51:38 ~seen x-fade Dec 17 21:51:43 x-fade is currently on #maemo (7h 8m 18s), last said: 'RST38h: Lunch, bbl.'. Dec 17 21:51:45 woglinde, sure, in a moment Dec 17 21:51:45 speedevil, in any case, a small piece of software will likely go below their radar Dec 17 21:51:51 flux: sure. Dec 17 21:52:05 * SpeedEvil needs funding for openstreetview Dec 17 21:52:21 one helluva lunch Dec 17 21:52:44 SpeedEvil: you do openstreetmap work? Dec 17 21:52:48 jebba: yes Dec 17 21:53:20 nice, great project :) Dec 17 21:53:33 I was looking at a camera platform capable of georeferenced images every ~2m of road in a small town of 40k Dec 17 21:53:51 with the resolution able to read door-numbers at 25m Dec 17 21:54:06 Hmm, just did a godawful silver/green theme Dec 17 21:54:09 it's only a sizable fraction of a T actually Dec 17 21:54:54 Gadgetoid, as long as you aren't cloning the OSX-gui. :P Dec 17 21:55:11 http://www.gadgetoid.com/n900/greenmantle_all.deb Dec 17 21:55:56 Gadgetoid: got screenshot? Dec 17 21:56:05 Not yet Dec 17 21:56:10 woglinde, where is the package? Dec 17 21:56:11 It's just a quick and dirty job Dec 17 21:56:26 jaem enable extras-devel Dec 17 21:56:34 and you need libxmuu Dec 17 21:56:49 woglinde, I have it enabled - should it show up in App Manager? Dec 17 21:57:01 jaem which you can load from http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/heinold/nx/ Dec 17 21:57:10 jaem I hope soe Dec 17 21:57:17 args so Dec 17 21:57:44 I have to beg x-fade to promote libxmuu from sdk to devel again like for diablo Dec 17 21:58:07 I have tested my new packages for n810 and they worked Dec 17 21:58:46 woglinde, new N810 packages, or the original ones? Dec 17 21:59:19 new nx libs Dec 17 21:59:23 latest 3.4 Dec 17 21:59:28 didnt change so much Dec 17 21:59:35 ShadowJK, I think that i solve it) cat /proc/kallsyms! It's only what i need Dec 17 21:59:35 for client side Dec 17 21:59:45 qtnx can stay the same Dec 17 21:59:50 oh snap... I forgot, I'm running qt 4.6, so I can't currently install qtnx Dec 17 21:59:58 I can run it from the command line, though, right? Dec 17 22:00:08 because its only setup frontend for nxssh and nxproxy Dec 17 22:00:21 hm when you know all commands for nxssh and nxproxy yes Dec 17 22:00:45 hm I didnt apply all patches the libnxcl commandline stuff Dec 17 22:00:49 maybee I should Dec 17 22:01:00 * jaem nods Dec 17 22:01:18 * lcuk almost bought a windows 7 machine yesterday Dec 17 22:01:23 I dont like libnxcl commands this much Dec 17 22:01:27 lcuk buhhhh Dec 17 22:01:35 big 20" multitouch Dec 17 22:01:59 lcuk better bye a new n900 Dec 17 22:02:06 i was stood in the shop idly drawing my calendar and stuff on the screen Dec 17 22:02:15 oh I forgot everyone at you firm got one Dec 17 22:02:24 i unboxed my first n900 on monday night as it happens woglinde Dec 17 22:02:39 first ever one tho :$ Dec 17 22:02:42 * lcuk liked it Dec 17 22:02:46 :) Dec 17 22:02:47 it was like a real present Dec 17 22:02:56 yes yes Dec 17 22:03:04 saw the blog entry Dec 17 22:03:10 Windows 7 isn't bad, it's buying a Vista machine that would hurt Dec 17 22:03:13 did i blog about it? Dec 17 22:03:17 now Dec 17 22:03:22 but some colleague Dec 17 22:03:25 well they had single touch version of same machine Dec 17 22:03:29 args now=no Dec 17 22:03:29 and it was poor in comparisonm Dec 17 22:03:36 i actually liked the MT display Dec 17 22:03:44 Gadgetoid, what do I need to open the deb on my n900? Dec 17 22:03:56 eitreach: torx t8 Dec 17 22:04:37 eitreach: If you don't already know, then telling you would be irresponsible *COUGH*gainroot*COUGH*sudo dpkg -i file.deb*COUGH* Dec 17 22:04:44 SpeedEvil, lol Dec 17 22:05:26 Gadgetoid, ah.. I was hoping for a gui-application. :p oh well.. dpkg it is. Thanks. Dec 17 22:06:00 that makes me wonder what you do with single .deb file anyways Dec 17 22:06:02 Haha, yeah a gui for dpkg would be nice... we could call it Application Fiddler Dec 17 22:06:18 Or Application Manager Dec 17 22:06:28 i'd love to bypass debs for simple day to day apps Dec 17 22:06:36 and have apps as data Dec 17 22:07:44 eitreach: you can put your application manager in red pill mode and select install from file Dec 17 22:07:50 eitreach: and select a .deb Dec 17 22:08:13 or just install sw from app manager Dec 17 22:08:26 yes, install liqtorch and liqflow Dec 17 22:08:29 now in Extras! Dec 17 22:08:29 :D Dec 17 22:08:35 did I say I hate the "red pill mode" phrase Dec 17 22:08:38 or soon your next question is "my device wont boot" Dec 17 22:08:40 woglinde, do you have a source tarball for qtnx that you could post? Dec 17 22:08:49 jaem apt-get source Dec 17 22:08:55 woglinde, >_< Dec 17 22:09:07 jaem what did you expected? Dec 17 22:09:21 woglinde, well, I normally use Arch, so I was having a thinko Dec 17 22:09:59 I'll probably have a proper theme up after crimbo eitreach Dec 17 22:10:16 jaem install sdk, add deb-src line Dec 17 22:10:21 apt-get update Dec 17 22:10:26 woglinde, yeah, I remember now Dec 17 22:10:27 apt-get source qtnx Dec 17 22:10:32 I just forgot momentarily :) Dec 17 22:10:37 no prob Dec 17 22:10:51 Gadgetoid, crimbo? I'm not into the maemo-lingo yet, sadly. :/ Dec 17 22:11:06 christmas Dec 17 22:11:11 thats northern Dec 17 22:11:12 ohh.. right. Dec 17 22:11:15 woglinde, I have to go run some errands - I'll work on this on the way, and let you know how it works when I get back Dec 17 22:11:16 cheers Dec 17 22:11:27 jo Dec 17 22:11:55 Hahaha Dec 17 22:12:08 I'm not even Northern... just weird Dec 17 22:12:21 :D Dec 17 22:12:25 haha... I thought my Ubuntu stickers were postal stamps for a moment XD Dec 17 22:16:52 sorry I'm back Dec 17 22:17:25 so, someone willing to beta test the app about which I've shown some screenshots before ? Dec 17 22:18:33 lcuk: why "looks good for python" ? ;) python apps can be as beautiful as other languages... :) Dec 17 22:18:59 hence my next remark :) Dec 17 22:19:27 jon1012: i'd love to :) Dec 17 22:19:53 hehe Dec 17 22:20:12 jebba: however, my service is only in paris, lyon and lisbon for now... :( Dec 17 22:20:19 uh Dec 17 22:20:24 get me a ticket and i'll test it there Dec 17 22:20:27 jon1012: will it blow up my shiznit? Dec 17 22:20:33 jebba: http://www.parisenvies.com/ http://www.lyonenvies.com/ http://www.noitesdelisboa.com/ Dec 17 22:20:34 but why just there? Dec 17 22:20:46 because it takes time to launch a website in a city Dec 17 22:20:50 ah, for the recommendations. But what about for streetview and such. Dec 17 22:21:16 oh, you mean, making a simple app without all the bars and restaurants stuff I do on my websites ? Dec 17 22:21:40 well, i mean the part where you look up a contact and it shows street view Dec 17 22:22:04 http://i.imagehost.org/0783/screenshot05.png Dec 17 22:22:07 jebba: those aren't contacts but places :) it's my own ui, not the contact app Dec 17 22:22:12 ah Dec 17 22:22:23 I tried to make my app look as native as possible Dec 17 22:22:25 i thought it was like a plugin to contacts Dec 17 22:22:56 lemme know when buenos aires is ready ;) Dec 17 22:23:17 http://i.imagehost.org/0484/screenshot07.png that though should work no? anywhere? Dec 17 22:24:09 jebba: for that, I just launch a browser through dbus to an url on my website Dec 17 22:24:18 than shows a streetview at the correct resolution for n900 Dec 17 22:24:28 ah. Dec 17 22:24:42 but I could do that as an app Dec 17 22:24:46 that points to my server Dec 17 22:25:31 jebba: http://www.parisenvies.com/lieux/lieu/streetview/havanita Dec 17 22:25:34 heh. i've been to that Crocodile (Le) bar, it is rad :) Dec 17 22:25:43 rad ? Dec 17 22:26:02 never seen a place so packed, serving up so many "complicated" drinks, with like 3 employees only. really good place... Dec 17 22:26:09 hehe Dec 17 22:26:13 it's listed on your front page right now Dec 17 22:26:23 right by parc du luxembourgh Dec 17 22:26:27 ok Dec 17 22:26:45 http://www.parisenvies.com/lieux/lieu/streetview/havanita <-- going there gives me a big black box Dec 17 22:26:56 jebba: on n900 ? just wait while it loads Dec 17 22:27:00 ah no Dec 17 22:27:02 sry... Dec 17 22:28:40 jebba: look at the sourcecode of the page, it's dead simple :) Dec 17 22:28:43 gives me a big black screen on n900 at the moment too.. /me waiting Dec 17 22:29:11 ok downloading now finally Dec 17 22:29:17 cool Dec 17 22:29:21 to move use the controls on top left Dec 17 22:29:54 I have to find a way to make it faster anyway :) Dec 17 22:29:57 also can do a swipe from left to right then click the arrow thing to disable the move around thing Dec 17 22:29:58 hi all. Did anybody in here ever use irreco with success? I seem to be able to download from the lircDB, but I fail to add a command to a button when trying to create one. Dec 17 22:30:10 yeah Dec 17 22:32:21 same here Dec 17 22:33:12 http://ares.palm.com/Ares/about.html Dec 17 22:33:14 pretty nice Dec 17 22:35:56 lisbon Dec 17 22:35:59 im from lisbon Dec 17 22:36:01 :) Dec 17 22:36:20 jon1012: ah ya, i just tried to use your code to do the same thing for my house in buenos aires, but i need my own key.... Dec 17 22:39:55 woglinde, poke Dec 17 22:42:06 woglinde, same issue as before - the nxssh command line is truncated Dec 17 22:42:17 as far as I can tell Dec 17 22:42:28 jaem hms Dec 17 22:42:37 it works forme in diablo Dec 17 22:42:37 it gets as far as asking me whether I want a new session or not, and just bails Dec 17 22:42:49 but the nxssh processes stay running, albeit not doing anything useful Dec 17 22:42:53 they have to be killed manually Dec 17 22:42:54 yeah Dec 17 22:42:59 thats known Dec 17 22:43:04 yeah, I don't know... this is exactly what happened in Diablo Dec 17 22:43:06 oh? Dec 17 22:43:07 and not to be solved easily Dec 17 22:43:07 hmm Dec 17 22:43:21 cannt kill nxssh at random Dec 17 22:43:25 yah Dec 17 22:43:26 yeah* Dec 17 22:43:34 I'll have to get back to you about it later, though Dec 17 22:43:41 jepp Dec 17 22:43:43 is there a scratchbox for osx or is it advisable to install under ie. linux vmware box Dec 17 22:43:50 could you please send me a log? Dec 17 22:43:53 ifreq, it only works on Linux Dec 17 22:44:02 woglinde, of what? the NX communication? Dec 17 22:44:08 jaem qtnx Dec 17 22:44:09 or packets? Dec 17 22:44:10 from console Dec 17 22:44:11 jaem: okay, well that does it then --> installing any linux distro Dec 17 22:44:13 ah - sure Dec 17 22:44:23 ifreq install vm Dec 17 22:44:24 ifreq, well, you won't have fun with anything not Debian-based Dec 17 22:44:31 and yes, the VM is much easier to get running Dec 17 22:44:44 but if you must, at least use Debian, *buntu, or something similar Dec 17 22:44:48 there are vmware images with installed sdk flying around Dec 17 22:44:53 jaem: what about archlinux? Dec 17 22:44:54 * jaem ducks Dec 17 22:44:57 there goes one now! Dec 17 22:45:04 thats what i like more than suxbuntu or debian :P Dec 17 22:45:09 ifreq, I run Arch, and believe me, you won't have fun with it Dec 17 22:45:18 you may be able to use an Ubuntu chroot, though Dec 17 22:45:18 yeh with SDK mayb Dec 17 22:45:25 but i like arch as generic :P Dec 17 22:45:27 debootstrap should be in the AUR Dec 17 22:45:29 http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ Dec 17 22:45:39 mmkay thanks wog Dec 17 22:45:43 cheers Dec 17 22:45:59 i want to test pkgsrc bootstrapping on it *g* Dec 17 22:46:06 jebba: for localhost and local files no Dec 17 22:46:10 +some package building Dec 17 22:46:12 jebba: however, for a domain yeah Dec 17 22:46:22 jebba: just go to google api site and request a key Dec 17 22:46:26 ah, duh, no streetview in buenos aires. /me quickly loses interest hmm Dec 17 22:46:37 Weird, sudo dpkg failzor Dec 17 22:46:39 ya, i got one and a totally white screen.... Dec 17 22:47:05 go to google maps and see if you have a little man in yellow on top left Dec 17 22:48:02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SOhtivlZ9U Playstation Emulator build one Dec 17 22:48:14 wow ! Dec 17 22:48:20 I was waiting for this emulator so much ! Dec 17 22:48:28 jon1012: ya, i see one. What's that mean? Dec 17 22:48:35 jo pupnik Dec 17 22:48:45 jebba: move that yellow man in streets Dec 17 22:48:47 hmm fast link atleast.. downloading with 10MB/sec atm (@home) <3 Dec 17 22:48:53 ah cool. Dec 17 22:48:55 jebba: you'll see which streets have google street view Dec 17 22:49:20 servus woglinde Dec 17 22:49:37 ya, none in south america Dec 17 22:49:53 been looking at pulseaudio some more. it is so nicely done. Dec 17 22:50:28 pupnik hm pulse? Dec 17 22:50:44 what you looked excatly? Dec 17 22:50:52 yeah. you can just throw stuff at /dev/dsp Dec 17 22:50:54 unlike n810 Dec 17 22:51:06 hm? Dec 17 22:51:12 dsp sink? Dec 17 22:51:15 that video is going thru oss emulation Dec 17 22:51:22 and the sound doesn't even break up Dec 17 22:51:25 aeh? Dec 17 22:51:58 somebody at nokia pretty much solved all our sound compatibility problems Dec 17 22:52:03 just compile it and the audio works Dec 17 22:52:30 yes. Pulseaudio is so wonderful. Dec 17 22:52:32 pupnik last discussion it seemed to me the contracted directly for this task Dec 17 22:52:39 ars + leannrd Dec 17 22:52:42 lennard Dec 17 22:52:43 It only uses half the CPU. A bargain. Dec 17 22:52:51 (seemingly, at times) Dec 17 22:52:57 well maybe i'm wrong. i have 64kb of memory for whole brain. Dec 17 22:53:13 yeah but i'm starting to think it's worth it Dec 17 22:54:03 i'm still gonna experiment with bypassing pulse Dec 17 22:54:14 because whoever did this audio thing made that possible also Dec 17 22:54:23 but for psx the main speed will come from gles Dec 17 22:55:39 pupnki yes Dec 17 22:55:41 btw is there kismet on repos yet? i remember it was in the past atleast Dec 17 22:56:09 i can't believe how well that psx4all is written - the freaking audio does not break up even when it is overloaded Dec 17 23:00:05 pupnik: Well - attempt -1 - kill pulseaudio and run mplayer - diddn't work. /me will look into it more tomorrow :) Dec 17 23:05:48 SpeedEvil: wanna help? Dec 17 23:06:54 I'm unsure how. Dec 17 23:06:59 you have hardware don't you? Dec 17 23:11:41 omfg: http://www.cellphones.ca/news/upload/2008/11/iphone_keyboard04.jpg Dec 17 23:12:26 about to promote Xournal to extras... at last Dec 17 23:14:02 omg I've just seen how is the english keyboard of the n900 ! Dec 17 23:14:15 my n900 has arrow keys as function keys Dec 17 23:14:29 why didn't they set it up as english keyboards ? :( Dec 17 23:15:35 A optimus keyboard on it would be so cool Dec 17 23:17:59 woohoo Dec 17 23:18:07 re timeless_mbp Dec 17 23:18:09 * timeless_mbp finally got usb-dun working on osx Dec 17 23:18:24 google is tying a string around my balls Dec 17 23:19:24 Arkenoi: i still don't see pipe (|) on that "huge" keyboard. Dec 17 23:19:55 Xournal promoted.. I should celebrate. Dec 17 23:20:03 jon1012: yes, i just saw that disaster today, re: arrows. Someone was complaining they couldnt play burgerspace because of no arrow keys. WTF? how to fix shit like that?!? Dec 17 23:20:05 * timeless_mbp grumbles Dec 17 23:20:05 Pipefail! Dec 17 23:20:08 nice one Anidel :) Dec 17 23:20:12 did anyone make a package for bt dun? Dec 17 23:20:31 jebba: it took a month!! Dec 17 23:20:43 jebba: I had the same problem, couldn't use burgerspace Dec 17 23:26:40 is there a list somewhere of all packages in devel that are not in testing? Dec 17 23:27:41 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#diffmo.21 you all want that if you miss diff Dec 17 23:28:04 jon1012: if you have any hints how to solve it, i'm interested. Seems it would fk all games. Dec 17 23:28:52 [2009-12-18 01:23:17] diffmo 1:2.8.1-20 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository Dec 17 23:28:52 cool Dec 17 23:29:12 I think someone said that updates at about :45 past the hour Dec 17 23:29:16 evening chaps Dec 17 23:30:25 what's all this optify crap hey? Dec 17 23:30:45 And I thought I wasn't paying attention. Dec 17 23:30:47 should absolutely everything be optified, all the files in a package? Dec 17 23:30:57 derf: :p Dec 17 23:31:15 he lardman Dec 17 23:31:19 http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-51243cc4dea211de82a3dd05dba7fe18fe18 Dec 17 23:31:25 There are a number of different approaches, and no consistency. Dec 17 23:31:26 lardman no crap Dec 17 23:31:26 ya, everyting, except icons and .desktop Dec 17 23:31:41 if this and that I'll vote for it, well wonderful, but I'm not overly bothered ;) Dec 17 23:31:45 hi woglinde Dec 17 23:31:53 One is to put everything in /opt, and symlinks from where they're supposed to be. Dec 17 23:31:57 mameo-optify is good solution Dec 17 23:32:03 I thought it was just large data-type files? Dec 17 23:32:08 Which is I think what maemo-optify does. Dec 17 23:32:29 I just put large data-type files there, and still use a few hundred K of / Dec 17 23:33:15 maemo-optify by default moves everything over 2k. THough IMHO it should move everything. It left me with 600k in / still with asterisk package. Dec 17 23:33:16 hmm, well this is ultimately pointless too Dec 17 23:33:17 nite guys Dec 17 23:33:21 (lots of small sounds) Dec 17 23:33:25 sounds like ipkg-link to me Dec 17 23:33:31 night Anidel Dec 17 23:33:37 hey lard, nite Dec 17 23:33:42 VDVsx was saying maemo-optify is for the lazy and it should be done right in rules Dec 17 23:33:48 how do you get scratchbox on networking state? Dec 17 23:34:09 it has req ip from nat and just configured dns, cant resolve tho Dec 17 23:35:05 is there a way to get facebook chat in the itegrated rtcomm of the n900? Dec 17 23:35:11 I mean I'm very happy that users are taking the time to tell devs what to do, but when the entire binary size of the package is ~64kb, really why bother? Dec 17 23:35:45 ifreq: there are two resolv.conf's in there. try adding: nameserver 8.8.8.8 to both of them Dec 17 23:35:48 Roaziel: I think someone was talking about that on TMO Dec 17 23:35:57 lardman because they add up Dec 17 23:35:59 whats tmo? :P Dec 17 23:36:02 jebba: aha hmmkay Dec 17 23:36:05 talk.maemo.org Dec 17 23:36:12 ah Dec 17 23:36:31 jebba: wheres the 2nd? :) Dec 17 23:36:33 jebba: yeah, but you need *lots* of them Dec 17 23:36:43 Also, while I'm here. can anyone excplain why garage.maemo.org is soooo slow on my computer Dec 17 23:36:54 It loads for like 5 minutes before the page shows up Dec 17 23:37:11 needs server upgrade, is scheduled Dec 17 23:37:28 Ah, so its not just me then. thanks Dec 17 23:37:41 no, not just you, don't worry :) Dec 17 23:37:44 np Dec 17 23:37:45 is everyone for months apparently Dec 17 23:37:48 oh, so many packages in -devel that are not in testing Dec 17 23:37:54 getting worse now though Dec 17 23:37:57 more people looking, etc Dec 17 23:38:32 xorAxAx: I do wonder about a page which shows interest in promotion from -devel to -testing Dec 17 23:38:41 /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf hmm, maybe need to change in /targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/etc/resolv.conf and /targets/FREMANTLE_X86/etc/resolv.conf too, but not certain. It "just worked" for me. Dec 17 23:38:54 I have stuff in there that I won't bother promoting until I'm ready to use it, but if others want it, etc Dec 17 23:39:04 well, it takes forever to submit a comment on a package..... Dec 17 23:39:23 who is going to spend 30 minutes when it takes so fucking long? I went to do that today and got thru 2 packages. Dec 17 23:39:45 yeah well, just wait for the servers to be sorted Dec 17 23:39:56 i can't believe everyone isn't freaking out running around in circles about diffmo. Don't you use diff? Dec 17 23:40:01 before xmas I hope Dec 17 23:40:04 ... Dec 17 23:40:16 I have a question, maybe dumb, about repositories, I googled some apps I'd like to install, they seem to be listed to be in extra, but I don't seem to see them (I enabled extra, update/refresh) still no luck. Am I missing something obvious ? Dec 17 23:40:18 * lardman wonders what diffmo is Dec 17 23:40:47 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#diffmo.21 simply diff! but you can actually install it on your n900. Dec 17 23:41:12 All I found at TMO is someone saying "it's coming"... So I take it Facebook Chat wont be here any time soon since there wasnt even a propper link to testing Dec 17 23:41:44 jebba: why rename the package? Dec 17 23:41:59 because you can't install regular "diff" conflicts with busybox Dec 17 23:42:03 bleader: can you give me an example, will take a look for you? Dec 17 23:42:10 jebba: ah, ok Dec 17 23:42:18 midnight commander Dec 17 23:42:31 device? Dec 17 23:42:44 n900 Dec 17 23:42:49 ok Dec 17 23:42:50 http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?name=Midnight_Commander&fldAuto=949&faq=42 Dec 17 23:43:05 but maybe their "category" isn't accurate :) Dec 17 23:43:06 jebba: thanks. /scratchbox/etc/resolv* was enuff Dec 17 23:43:17 is not in extras anyway: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/m/ Dec 17 23:43:18 np Dec 17 23:43:43 well that may explain things :) Dec 17 23:44:22 hmm, doesn't seem to be in extras-devel either Dec 17 23:44:49 nor extras-testing Dec 17 23:44:58 so no idea I'm afraid Dec 17 23:46:38 lardman: thanks anyway, I'll add extras-testing to fiddle around a bit that should do it for now :) Dec 17 23:46:54 cool, np Dec 17 23:47:54 Is there a way to turn off a specific app after a specific amount of time? :P Dec 17 23:48:16 * lardman writes a daemon to update Google Latitude location at set times Dec 17 23:48:48 hmm, just got invalid signature for extras-devel Dec 17 23:48:48 how can I import a playlist into kmplayer, someone knowsz ? Dec 17 23:49:02 jebba: repo is a bit knackered Dec 17 23:49:19 Roaziel: not that I know of, though Shepherd may be able to help once it's out Dec 17 23:49:34 lardman, cool, having location updates without significant battery drain is great Dec 17 23:49:45 a knackered repo may not reply, but shouldn't: BADSIG E40DC434616730BD Dec 17 23:50:08 Arkenoi: just working out the logic of when to perform the updates, and how to turn the connection back off,e tc Dec 17 23:50:27 jebba: interesting Dec 17 23:51:59 RST38h: did you upload fbreader to free in the end? Dec 17 23:52:20 How I can check "Kernel markers" support? Dec 17 23:52:29 ? Dec 17 23:52:34 where is this from? Dec 17 23:54:31 lardman, yes. Dec 17 23:54:43 wow shepherd sounds awesome. Whats the status on that? Dec 17 23:55:20 lard: i think the good idea is detect status (moving/still, indoors/outdoors) and choose when to update next time using that information. Say, if you are on the street and moving, you probably want to update more frequently, if you are in cafe - probably not Dec 17 23:55:43 hey GAN900, what's up? Dec 17 23:56:32 Arkenoi: yeah will offer a variety - timed updates (obviously no update if liblocation says no movement), updates only when connection available, etc Dec 17 23:56:35 eluiandil: if you are talking about CONFIG_MARKERS, it is NOT set. So it is not enabled in stock kernel. Dec 17 23:57:01 you know how you choose the time of day when you create alarms? Dec 17 23:57:09 which graphic library has that? Dec 17 23:58:01 is anyone else getting "BADSIG E40DC434616730BD" when doing apt-get update with the extras-devel repo? Dec 17 23:58:14 sorry, just extras repo, not -devel Dec 17 23:58:21 GPE Calendar doesn't have that, it uses spinners/scrollers which are usable with a mouse. Dec 17 23:59:11 why are you doing that jebba? Dec 17 23:59:54 Gadgetoid_n900: why am i doing what? I am doing an apt-get update so i can get the headers so i can install things (??) Dec 18 00:00:06 Ok I'm new so I have to get away with this question: When is the next firmware coming and how is it installed (will I get a message that notifies me or what?) Dec 18 00:00:30 Roaziel: if you're paying attention at all, i'm sure you'll hear tons about it. Who knows when. Dec 18 00:00:43 Roaziel: should be pretty soon Dec 18 00:00:52 Ok, thanks :) Dec 18 00:01:15 lardman is there any changes list for that yet? Dec 18 00:01:19 really? good. i wonder when pretty soon is hah Dec 18 00:01:33 in nokia-internal i'm sure there is... Dec 18 00:01:36 jebba if nokia is in charge, 2 months, then Dec 18 00:01:42 Milo-: no Dec 18 00:01:48 lardman too bad Dec 18 00:01:55 hopefully they fix the date-format 'bug' Dec 18 00:02:16 i hope they just get my timezone correct haha Dec 18 00:02:17 I have few enchancements which I need to request, is bugzilla okay for those? Dec 18 00:02:36 Milo-: depends how specific they are Dec 18 00:02:43 Milo-: if they are small ya. But check they arent there already. If they are big, go watch the cursor spin at "brainstorm" Dec 18 00:02:52 Milo-: for specific then bugzilla is fine, otherwise brainstorm Dec 18 00:03:33 lol someone requested "native port of putty" for the n900 xD Dec 18 00:03:39 what a brilliant idea Dec 18 00:03:40 :) Dec 18 00:04:20 he also requested "Port of Dalvik and android store, should not be tooo hard but will instantly give us thousands of apps" Dec 18 00:04:24 okay, for calendar I would suggest that they made the 'alarm before' menu to let you choose any day+hour+minute combination Dec 18 00:04:36 but I can't suggest them how to do that Dec 18 00:04:43 shapeshifter... that guy is a genius Dec 18 00:04:54 since I don't have any clue about the inner implementatio Dec 18 00:04:54 n Dec 18 00:04:54 total genius Dec 18 00:05:04 * ifreq is trying to run pkgsrc bootstrap atm on @scratchbox Dec 18 00:05:08 will be interesting :) Dec 18 00:05:14 android kinda sucks Dec 18 00:05:36 would be cool if android apps could just run though. I mean, why not? Dec 18 00:05:48 I guess installing android on n900 should be feasible Dec 18 00:06:14 jebba: you'd need a wine-alike layer Dec 18 00:06:19 Which is not implausible Dec 18 00:06:26 but which does not as of yet exist Dec 18 00:06:39 Ok, so my update scheme is: 1) every x minutes 1i) only update if connection available 1ii) connect and update automatically 2) update whenever liblocation says location has changed 2i) only when connection available 2ii) connect and update automatically Dec 18 00:06:42 anything else? Dec 18 00:06:53 SpeedEvil: well, android is based on linux... installing those layers on the current kernel could be done, no ? Dec 18 00:07:03 SpeedEvil: dalvik is just a custom "jre" + vm Dec 18 00:07:03 SpeedEvil: i dont even know what the android fones run. They arm too? Dec 18 00:07:07 SpeedEvil: even if totally strange and counterproductive Dec 18 00:07:14 is dalvik open? Dec 18 00:07:18 jon1012: In the same way that you can install a 8 cylinder 2l engine on a motorcycle Dec 18 00:07:20 SpeedEvil: all you'd have to do, is port dalvik to X11 Dec 18 00:07:23 jebba: yeah tend to be arm afaik Dec 18 00:07:40 android is not linux as it's usually thought of. Dec 18 00:07:44 (android uses framebuffer, or so it seems) Dec 18 00:07:52 so should be feasible. Would be cool. Cuz then all those apps and androiders can stfu + all very cool native apps. Dec 18 00:08:02 It's got lots of utterly incompatible libs and stuff Dec 18 00:08:10 it's possible - but, not very simple Dec 18 00:08:13 well Android has been made to run on the N8x0, but allowing it to be part of the Maemo system is somewhat more complex Dec 18 00:08:29 well, if we can run ancient roms we should be able to run open source java crap i would think. Not that i'm dying for any android apps, jsut sayin' Dec 18 00:08:43 it would need to hook into the middle layer libs etc that are used by maemo Dec 18 00:08:49 i mean, not replacing maemo, but just as an app within maemo Dec 18 00:08:57 yeah, more difficult Dec 18 00:09:07 i never really found any killer android apps Dec 18 00:09:08 yeah - and some of the libs are going to work in fundamentally different ways Dec 18 00:09:10 need qemu ;) Dec 18 00:09:14 probably, depending on what's needed by that app Dec 18 00:09:24 no, no need for qemu Dec 18 00:09:31 will have to give it another shot when the milestone shows up Dec 18 00:09:43 An iphone/android emulator would be lolworthy. Dec 18 00:09:45 needs a kernel patch or two, then just run the jvm, but it's the support libs that will be hard to integrate I think Dec 18 00:10:10 Also you've got the footprint Dec 18 00:10:30 if you're jamming in another 60M of software say - that's gonna slow stuff down Dec 18 00:10:35 into RAM Dec 18 00:11:28 which is why you'd need to re-write all the support stuff, to be a thin layer Dec 18 00:11:31 ya, java is pig Dec 18 00:11:37 yeah Dec 18 00:11:44 good luck with a thin jvm Dec 18 00:11:49 not necessarily hard, but would take a long while me thinks Dec 18 00:12:05 i was kinda stoked when i heard about google+linux+fone, but they've done it just about the shittiest way possible from my perspectiv.e Dec 18 00:12:23 yeah Dec 18 00:12:23 what do you expect when google is in the equation? Dec 18 00:12:33 if you want to do anything you hvae to stare at a java SDK all day blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Dec 18 00:12:33 openmoko nearly got there. Dec 18 00:12:44 But kinda dropped the ball around april 2007 Dec 18 00:12:49 i ordered openmoko fone twice and set up sdk and such, but never got one. Dec 18 00:12:58 jebba: really? Dec 18 00:13:02 no wonder they failed Dec 18 00:13:11 if even people who ordered didn't get it Dec 18 00:13:17 too many delays, lost their momentum, then they just dropped it unfortunately. Dec 18 00:13:36 what is the command to remove a package that was installed in maemo using dpkg -i? Dec 18 00:13:39 I thought about getting one, but was expensive Dec 18 00:13:53 still is expensive Dec 18 00:13:56 Pandora is cheaper Dec 18 00:13:58 orbarron: apt-get remove foo Dec 18 00:14:02 $300? Dec 18 00:14:07 $350 now, isn't it? Dec 18 00:14:09 well Pandora doens't exist yet tho ;) Dec 18 00:14:10 $350 Dec 18 00:14:16 not too bad at all for what it was Dec 18 00:14:20 lardman: it does Dec 18 00:14:28 jebba: today Dec 18 00:14:50 luke-jr_: does any normal punter actually possess one yet? Dec 18 00:14:51 can you actually order pandora today and it'll be with you in a week - say Dec 18 00:15:01 lardman: no clue Dec 18 00:15:07 I think not Dec 18 00:15:15 SpeedEvil: you won't be able to ever probably Dec 18 00:15:21 SpeedEvil: supposedly all the orders are sold Dec 18 00:15:33 so until normal people have them, I'll stand by my "it not existing" comment, with tongue slightly in cheek Dec 18 00:15:33 what is pandora ? Dec 18 00:15:42 a woman Dec 18 00:15:45 jon1012: google for openpandora Dec 18 00:15:47 with bewbs Dec 18 00:15:57 Gadgetoid: don't forget the box. Dec 18 00:15:58 oh ok I see Dec 18 00:16:03 jon1012: OMAP 3 gaming console handheld Dec 18 00:16:07 it's ugly ! Dec 18 00:16:18 ahh yes... an empty box at the moment Dec 18 00:16:25 (sorry, just shared my first thought seeing it) Dec 18 00:16:48 Gadgetoid_n900: I thought it was the lack of a box that has held it up for the past year or so?! ;) Dec 18 00:17:21 Ugh.. starting to develop for Maemo 5 isnt as easy as I hoped it would be Dec 18 00:17:35 Tempting to just stuck with Windows Mobile and Android development.. Dec 18 00:17:36 Untouchab1e: really ? what language, what gui lib ? Dec 18 00:17:44 Untouchab1e: um, what? Dec 18 00:17:48 keep at it untouchable1, I wants apps Dec 18 00:17:52 Untouchab1e: what's the problem? Dec 18 00:17:55 Untouchab1e: just develop in Qt4 and let the magic happen Dec 18 00:18:04 Im just running through the documentation here: http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/0ea5ec64-2d35-4363-94c0-dd2560c6524b/Get_started_with_Maemo_5.html Dec 18 00:18:16 Untouchab1e: I nearly finished my first maemo 5 app with python and gtk in less than 3 days of work Dec 18 00:18:33 (well less than 2 actually) Dec 18 00:19:03 Untouchab1e: oh dear, why not use the maemo.org docs instead? Dec 18 00:19:06 jon1012: sounds nice, but I just find the whole process of setting up complicated.. With Android, I just download eclipse and the android sdk, and im ready.. For Windows Mobile, I just get Visual Studio and download the Windows Mobile SDK and Im done Dec 18 00:19:14 maemo.org directed me to that site, hah Dec 18 00:19:32 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide Dec 18 00:19:57 * lardman is not fond of video guides Dec 18 00:20:03 how can i check *which* number i am receiving short messages from if a contact has multiple numbers? Dec 18 00:20:21 lardman: thanks for the link Dec 18 00:20:24 will give it a go Dec 18 00:20:25 Untouchab1e: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/tutorials.html Dec 18 00:20:43 http://u.meelo.org/maemoClock.png <- does that scroll-component come from Qt or Gtk+? Dec 18 00:20:48 Untouchab1e: np, and you can always ask for pointers if you can't find what you need Dec 18 00:20:59 Milo-: I'd say gtk Dec 18 00:21:04 I really feel like developing a bit for Maemo, as Android is so packed with Apps already.. hard to come up with new ideas :) Dec 18 00:21:17 Milo-: I used exactly the same in gtk Dec 18 00:21:18 is it pre-made component or do you have to do it yourself? Dec 18 00:21:24 and I feel it would be more rewarding to show Maemo some love Dec 18 00:21:41 Although my Android apps probably get more attention >.< Dec 18 00:21:46 Milo-: premade, though you have to say 'I want two lists, with that inside' :) Dec 18 00:22:03 obviously it's two lists :) Dec 18 00:22:23 Untouchab1e: you may want to try python for developping on n900 Dec 18 00:22:31 Untouchab1e: makes it easier than C :) Dec 18 00:22:33 python? Thought C was the thing Dec 18 00:22:35 oh.. Dec 18 00:22:38 but I know C :) Dec 18 00:22:40 nothing wrong with C :) Dec 18 00:22:44 just use Qt4 -.- Dec 18 00:22:56 Gtk goes with C :) Dec 18 00:23:01 gtk sucks Dec 18 00:23:05 C is wonderful Dec 18 00:23:06 Qt4 isnt a programming language though? Or have I misunderstood Dec 18 00:23:15 Untouchab1e: qt is a windowing lib Dec 18 00:23:18 Untouchab1e: it is, though it can be used from other languages Dec 18 00:23:19 Untouchab1e: well widget lib Dec 18 00:23:23 Untouchab1e: no, it's C++, but it's quite dialect-like Dec 18 00:23:28 hmm Dec 18 00:23:48 jon1012: QtGui module has widgets, but Qt4 itself is a language Dec 18 00:23:56 hmm Dec 18 00:24:00 it's a toolkit Dec 18 00:24:08 then C++ is a toolkit :p Dec 18 00:24:14 hmm Dec 18 00:24:14 no, C++ is a language Dec 18 00:24:17 >.< Dec 18 00:24:20 lol Dec 18 00:24:23 anyway :) Dec 18 00:24:23 C++ is no more a language than Qt4 Dec 18 00:24:37 true, C is the only true language, all others are mere imposters Dec 18 00:24:43 asm Dec 18 00:24:44 C++ goes down as a language in my book.. Dec 18 00:24:46 bow down before C! Dec 18 00:24:47 C++ adds a little syntatic sugar and redefines the standard library Dec 18 00:24:47 lol Dec 18 00:24:53 Untouchab1e: keep at maemo dev, it's a great platform, and more and more people are getting maemo based terminals Dec 18 00:24:56 Qt4 adds a little syntatic sugar and redefines the standard library Dec 18 00:24:58 SpeedEvil: well yeah ;) Dec 18 00:25:03 microcode! Dec 18 00:25:04 :) Dec 18 00:25:30 :) Dec 18 00:25:31 It'd be cool if the programmable microcode of modern intel chips was actually programmable Dec 18 00:25:36 you can use QtGui widgets in a C++ or C app or Python app, or you can write an app in 100% Qt4 Dec 18 00:25:37 oh well, I will give it some effort eventually I guess Dec 18 00:25:39 luke-jr_: little...? In the same way that FORTRAN differs "slightly" from C in its syntax? Dec 18 00:26:23 Untouchab1e: with that said, Qt not too unpleasant to code in afaiu/r Dec 18 00:26:43 Untouchab1e: fyi, here are screenshots of an app I did _very_ quickly (it's a client for a bar/restaurant cityguide service I own) => http://i.imagehost.org/0075/screenshot04.png http://i.imagehost.org/0783/screenshot05.png http://i.imagehost.org/0183/screenshot06.png Dec 18 00:26:55 QtGui is also the future of Maemo ;) Dec 18 00:26:55 nice Dec 18 00:27:01 I hope this is the right channel. Anyone use openvpn on the N900? Dec 18 00:27:03 jon1012: where are you from? Dec 18 00:27:08 Untouchab1e: france Dec 18 00:27:12 Oh, ok Dec 18 00:27:12 lol Dec 18 00:28:01 I will come back once I have the time and maybe get some help with getting set up.. I think I am kinda locked at the Android way of doing development >.< Dec 18 00:28:16 Untouchab1e: Qt4 apps will run on pretty much any platform Dec 18 00:28:20 though Android is an exception Dec 18 00:28:26 but that's Android's fault <.< Dec 18 00:28:49 night all Dec 18 00:28:55 haha, I know Dec 18 00:29:03 Untouchab1e: developping for maemo is like developping on computers, not phones... you have many ways of doing it Dec 18 00:29:21 yes :) Dec 18 00:29:31 jon1012: So Ive figured.. still, ive done quite a bit of Windows application development, and its all Visual Studio.. so easy :D Dec 18 00:29:53 I feel I can just concentrate on my application, and kinda let Visual Studio handle everything else Dec 18 00:30:03 oh, I've done a lot of dev on windows, linux, and other platforms... never the sme environment :) Dec 18 00:30:04 Untouchab1e: Try Qt4 Dec 18 00:30:13 Will do Dec 18 00:30:15 Untouchab1e: you can do the same process, but the result will be portable Dec 18 00:30:31 * jon1012 prefer gtk ;) Dec 18 00:30:34 and run natively on Windows, Mac, Linux, Symbian, and Maemo Dec 18 00:30:50 jon1012: GTK will die soon, I hope :) Dec 18 00:31:01 luke-jr_: I don't think so... Dec 18 00:31:03 So I reckon the major difference here is that rather than developing for one device or one OS specifically, I make an application that is directly portable to almost anything? Dec 18 00:31:09 jon1012: it has no purpose Dec 18 00:31:19 Untouchab1e: pretty much Dec 18 00:31:23 Untouchab1e: modulo stuff like screen sizes, yes Dec 18 00:31:25 Untouchab1e: at least if you use Qt4 Dec 18 00:31:28 luke-jr_: ?? then qt has no purpose too Dec 18 00:31:34 jon1012: no, Qt has plenty of purpose Dec 18 00:31:42 http://u.meelo.org/gpecal.png this is what GPE Calendar has to offer, that's not very easy to use with a finger :) Dec 18 00:31:42 luke-jr_: then gtk too Dec 18 00:31:45 luke-jr_: :) Dec 18 00:31:46 athena widgets FTW! Dec 18 00:31:51 jon1012: the only purpose of GTK originally was that it was free software. Qt has been free software for like a decade now. Dec 18 00:32:00 SpeedEvil: whats those :) Dec 18 00:32:01 GPE Calendar is otherwise a brilliant calendar application Dec 18 00:32:02 jon1012: then GTK's purpose was so people could write proprietary apps Dec 18 00:32:03 luke-jr_: like a year IIRC Dec 18 00:32:07 jon1012: now Qt is LGPL Dec 18 00:32:09 but the UI needs some work Dec 18 00:32:11 luke-jr_: no, the purtpose of gtk is that it's simple, powerful and light Dec 18 00:32:12 SpeedEvil: no, only LGPL a year Dec 18 00:32:14 luke-jr_: and what ? Dec 18 00:32:25 luke-jr_: in that you can write commercial apps for that period without payment Dec 18 00:32:26 jon1012: no, GTK is neither simple, powerful, nor light Dec 18 00:32:43 Qt4 is superior to GTK in every technical way Dec 18 00:32:48 luke-jr_: that's your opinion, it's not mine... it's not because you think like that, that gtk should disappear Dec 18 00:32:50 GTK's existence is based solely on ideals Dec 18 00:32:53 luke-jr_: no... Dec 18 00:33:07 let's stop the troll please Dec 18 00:33:17 jon1012: that's how it is Dec 18 00:33:22 Oh well, thanks for all your help Dec 18 00:33:26 Untouchab1e: wave Dec 18 00:33:32 :D Dec 18 00:33:33 beard Dec 18 00:33:41 Seems like Maemo has got a friendly developer comunity Dec 18 00:33:42 pizza Dec 18 00:33:47 beard and pizza? Dec 18 00:33:50 lol Dec 18 00:33:54 :) Dec 18 00:33:56 Night all Dec 18 00:33:58 There should be 'maemo coding for android developers' page Dec 18 00:34:00 night Dec 18 00:34:04 and iphone Dec 18 00:34:20 iPhone developers aren't developers Dec 18 00:34:23 are there that many iphone/android developers? Dec 18 00:34:27 they do flash and such, even though iPhone doesn't support flash Dec 18 00:34:28 Milo-: Lol Dec 18 00:34:58 hello Dec 18 00:35:07 The largest quantity of ActionScript developers comes from Mac-users Dec 18 00:35:14 and their microdevices can't run flash :) Dec 18 00:35:16 there is something like http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa969538%28VS.85%29.aspx for maemo5 ? Dec 18 00:35:19 ironic *:) Dec 18 00:36:07 to b able to enable the wm composition Dec 18 00:36:14 and disable Dec 18 00:36:15 kkito you mean ugly puke-like variable-names? Dec 18 00:36:32 MS constants are too ugly and too long. Dec 18 00:36:48 i mean "Because DWM uses the graphics processing unit (GPU) for desktop composition, certain applications may have to disable DWM for compatibility. Applications that take full control of the desktop, such as games that run in full-screen mode, must determine whether the DWM is enabled and if it is, disable it. To do this, two functions are needed. DwmIsCompositionEnabled and DwmEnableComposition. " Dec 18 00:37:19 i want to disable the composition for a opengl-es full screen game Dec 18 00:41:07 hello, anyone able to help with an linux issue. i can connect to any IP address via browser, ssh, ftp etc, but not to hostnames Dec 18 00:41:19 like http://www.google.com doesnt work Dec 18 00:41:27 but http://74.125.79.147/ does Dec 18 00:41:56 other devices in the network can, so I guess its this netbook thats fubared in some way Dec 18 00:42:01 edit /etc/resolv.conf Dec 18 00:42:21 resolv.conf shouldn't be edited by hand :) Dec 18 00:42:43 this is the whole content of that file: # Generated by NetworkManager Dec 18 00:42:48 nothing else Dec 18 00:43:09 suppose there should be something there? :p Dec 18 00:43:17 yes Dec 18 00:43:19 two ip-addresses Dec 18 00:43:29 gateway and subnet? Dec 18 00:43:29 red write inside Dec 18 00:43:34 nameserver 8.8.8.8 Dec 18 00:43:55 whats that ip address based on? :p Dec 18 00:44:09 if your resolv.conf is empty, then there is an issue with resolving the address Dec 18 00:44:11 can atleast ping it Dec 18 00:44:21 google public dns server Dec 18 00:44:29 i cannot Dec 18 00:44:32 heh Dec 18 00:44:37 but you're online? Dec 18 00:44:38 clicking search in google redirects to www.google etc Dec 18 00:44:51 but i can access it via googles IP, but not after i click search Dec 18 00:44:55 8.8.8.8 is provided by google Dec 18 00:45:07 i guess i could attempt addressbar searching via ip in front :p Dec 18 00:45:30 should I attempt to find current ISPs dns server address then? Dec 18 00:45:37 and adding it instead 8.8.8.8 Dec 18 00:45:41 just try 8.8.8.8 Dec 18 00:45:47 no! use 4.4.4.4 Dec 18 00:45:51 the file will be overwritten if something else is found Dec 18 00:45:51 i can get it in matter of seconds Dec 18 00:45:55 I mean 4.2.2.2 <.< Dec 18 00:45:55 ah, ok Dec 18 00:45:57 testing then Dec 18 00:46:13 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 Dec 18 00:46:18 saved the file, how should I attempt to refresh? dhclient -r -> dhclient ? Dec 18 00:46:27 no Dec 18 00:46:36 dhclient will just overwrite your resolv-conf Dec 18 00:46:38 yes, why don't you just tell Google every website you visit? Dec 18 00:46:43 they won't log it... Dec 18 00:46:43 the effect should be immediate Dec 18 00:46:47 luke-jr_ :D Dec 18 00:46:57 yeh, as soon as i said that dropbox went apeshit =) Dec 18 00:46:59 luke-jr_ you think google is evil, too? :) Dec 18 00:47:03 synced stuff Dec 18 00:47:10 Milo-: evil AND incompetent Dec 18 00:47:17 worse than Microsoft even Dec 18 00:47:20 because of android? Dec 18 00:47:26 because of all their software Dec 18 00:47:30 4.2.2.2 is the ip address hak5 told to ping if ur suspecting internet troubles since its always on Dec 18 00:47:35 except *maybe* V8 Dec 18 00:47:35 but cant recall what that was :D Dec 18 00:47:46 red: Verizon DNS Dec 18 00:47:47 google maps was rather nice Dec 18 00:48:09 Milo-: Google's webapps are all written per browser, not with standards Dec 18 00:48:13 though, I don't really like telling google where I am at all times. Dec 18 00:48:39 Milo-: so even though Konqueror is one the most standards compliant browsers, Google's webapps fail Dec 18 00:48:49 google maps worked better on my old e71 than nokia's own maps-software Dec 18 00:48:54 which only had 1 year limited license :/ Dec 18 00:49:01 Milo-: what about your favorite websites, they collect cookie info etc.. about your shopping habits and then give you some adds which fit your profile Dec 18 00:49:09 Milo-: mayb its just better to stop surfing :P Dec 18 00:49:14 ifreq I know :( Dec 18 00:49:18 "don't be evil" :) Dec 18 00:49:22 ifreq: that's mostly FUD Dec 18 00:49:23 tracking cookies can be quite well immunized Dec 18 00:49:31 my profile has me pegged as a gay, pregnant, korean man Dec 18 00:49:37 then, it is not possible to turn off the compositor ? Dec 18 00:49:40 Mousey awesome Dec 18 00:49:43 :D Dec 18 00:49:56 kkito: sure, system("sudo halt"); Dec 18 00:50:07 facebook does this tracking thing way better than google Dec 18 00:50:17 u can disable facebook doing it thought Dec 18 00:50:33 facebook keeps rubbing it to my face that I'm a single, my teeth aren't snow-white Dec 18 00:50:40 mayb its better to unplug internet.. go out get a gf Dec 18 00:50:43 Facebook does it pretty well, yeah Dec 18 00:50:43 :-) Dec 18 00:50:45 they keep offering me girlfriends and teethwhitening kits Dec 18 00:50:48 they keep trying to sell me TRON t-shirts Dec 18 00:50:53 but what was quite surprizing was facebook connecting to msn server and using ur contact information to download your contact list and match that to their users emails and suggesting those as friends for you Dec 18 00:51:10 red no, it doesn't need to connect to msn server Dec 18 00:51:20 how does it dig that info then? Dec 18 00:51:21 msn contacts are kept downloaded to your hdd :P Dec 18 00:51:32 well theres the thing Dec 18 00:51:36 it's surfing your hard drive! Dec 18 00:51:37 i never use msn on my desk comp Dec 18 00:51:38 it's in a nice xml file somewhere in your settings folder Dec 18 00:51:43 Milo-: every major IM app stores contacts on the server Dec 18 00:51:48 dont even have it installed Dec 18 00:52:02 could be that i went facebooking on my tablet which i msn on thought Dec 18 00:52:21 luke-jr_ was coming to that part Dec 18 00:52:24 i think you needed to give permission to sync with msn contacts at soem point Dec 18 00:52:25 but now there is no point Dec 18 00:52:28 or i may remember wrong Dec 18 00:53:00 hello Dec 18 00:53:45 red: if you have your username set with an MSN account (this also works with other email accounts), FaceBook will search the people whom you have contacted via MSN (or another email provider) to see if you want to add them to your friends list, as they also have a FaceBook account. Dec 18 00:53:51 (paste form one site) Dec 18 00:54:11 s/form/from Dec 18 00:54:22 when do nokia open their f*cking ovi store ? Dec 18 00:54:27 someone knows ? Dec 18 00:54:34 that's what the n900 needs to get more apps Dec 18 00:54:39 jon1012 maybe summer Dec 18 00:54:46 summer ?!!! Dec 18 00:55:03 how quickly do you think n900 users will write all those apps which nokia will then sell? Dec 18 00:55:24 think there is apps coming everyday, so dunno what hurry is to get ovi open :P Dec 18 00:55:31 (to ppl who use testing/devel) Dec 18 00:55:31 we just need to repackage a bunch of things to begin with. Though new apps rule of course. Dec 18 00:56:24 people aren't voting enough on the extras-testing packages that much Dec 18 00:56:30 s/that much// Dec 18 00:56:31 Milo- meant: people aren't voting enough on the extras-testing packages Dec 18 00:56:47 Milo-: ya, because it takes 5 minutes to vote. Dec 18 00:56:56 jebba yep Dec 18 00:57:02 idd :( Dec 18 00:57:03 it's not explained Dec 18 00:57:08 I'm almost ready to vote for the GPE Calendar Dec 18 00:57:10 I didn't know there was a voting system Dec 18 00:57:14 they *really* gotta fix that. At least builder is now fast, so we should have that thing always running,. Dec 18 00:57:29 I will give it thumb up, even though the user interface isn't that good for finger-using Dec 18 00:57:47 actually the biggest problem is the garage Dec 18 00:57:50 (12:57:11 AM) jon1012: I didn't know there was a voting system Dec 18 00:57:52 it is tooooo slow Dec 18 00:57:57 too Dec 18 00:58:00 i would be doing tons more if i could just go to a page, do what i needed to do and move on. Instead i have to keep 10 billion tabs open all over the place and things get dropped. Dec 18 00:58:11 well- i know there is - i don't know how it works Dec 18 00:58:15 or where to find it Dec 18 00:58:15 Milo-: maemo.org/packages sucks too Dec 18 00:58:36 they need to stop testing light httpd Dec 18 00:58:39 what is the point of that? Dec 18 00:59:02 porn? Dec 18 00:59:02 seriously, why on earth would you want to carry a http-server with you everywhere you go? Dec 18 00:59:11 pocket-pornsite Dec 18 00:59:44 an expensive webserver :P Dec 18 00:59:55 which is too slow to run as a decent webserver Dec 18 01:01:02 a webmin clone perhaps? Dec 18 01:01:21 control your phone through a web interface.. Dec 18 01:01:48 stilll Dec 18 01:01:52 quite sad :) Dec 18 01:02:04 by the way, I have a 100 euros rebates if I subscribe to ovi store before 15 february 2010... Dec 18 01:02:22 I hope they will open before Dec 18 01:02:35 or I'll be seriously pissed off Dec 18 01:02:39 100 euros? Dec 18 01:02:43 why? Dec 18 01:02:43 yeah in france Dec 18 01:02:51 i only get 50 dollars =( Dec 18 01:02:53 in france the n900 is 650 euros Dec 18 01:03:14 and I can get 100 euros off if I subscribe to ovi store before 15 february Dec 18 01:03:22 http-server that functions as a drag and drop interface to utilize your handheld device as a portable wireless flash memory stick? Dec 18 01:03:32 i've used my old phone like that, and loved it Dec 18 01:03:42 jon1012: you can open an ovi store account right now Dec 18 01:03:58 it had automaticly updating dyndns host so i could just jack up to the dyndns url and never forget those usb memorysticks everywhere again Dec 18 01:04:52 im not using the device any longer due it being an apple product :p Dec 18 01:17:54 can't find xterm in maemo-sdk : Dec 18 01:17:55 :o Dec 18 01:18:19 I'm pretty sure I didn't install it myself Dec 18 01:19:30 it's not there. vim requires it but didn't bother complaining when I installed it Dec 18 01:20:33 hmm store is on update mode atm.. Dec 18 01:20:42 mayb they add n900.. .(dreaming) Dec 18 01:21:23 don't think they have any applications worth purchasing at this time Dec 18 01:23:03 how do you start your applications in the scratchbox environment since it doesn't have xterm :o Dec 18 01:23:27 it has the cmd line? Dec 18 01:23:47 not in the maemo-part Dec 18 01:23:58 [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/MyDocs/C] > Dec 18 01:24:08 starting my apps from that won't open a thing in the maemo-screen Dec 18 01:24:34 Well be making some updates to the Store this week that will require us to take the service offline for a short while Thursday evening 12/17 at 7 PM EST. The Store will be offline for roughly three hours. Dec 18 01:25:23 ah now it works Dec 18 01:27:55 ok, I somehow managed to mess up the lirc service. Not sure what I did, but I can no longer make irreco contact it, reinstalling the package doesn't seem to help. Dec 18 01:30:41 nomis: apt-get remove foo ; then dpkg -P foo to make sure old configs get blown out Dec 18 01:32:12 apt-get purge should be both, right? Dec 18 01:32:29 ah maybe,never used it Dec 18 01:32:38 sounds like it thogh cuz -P is --purge Dec 18 01:35:37 * nezb says hello Dec 18 01:37:52 http://www.natisbad.org/N900/ ******* very good site tons of info Dec 18 01:40:19 I immediately started to dislike that page Dec 18 01:40:24 first word I saw was "emacs" Dec 18 01:43:58 ~seen woglinde Dec 18 01:44:01 woglinde was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2h 12m 4s ago, saying: 'mameo-optify is good solution'. Dec 18 01:44:13 oh but so much info... Dec 18 01:44:24 keymapping! kernel module info! :) Dec 18 01:44:30 http://www.natisbad.org/N900/n900-keyboard-remapping.html ! Dec 18 01:44:32 screenshot shortcut is hard :P Dec 18 01:44:37 that comes up a lot here Dec 18 01:44:39 jebba that was interesting indeed Dec 18 01:46:04 oooh Dec 18 01:46:08 double press power button locks the device Dec 18 01:46:39 ctrl+shift+x is even harder than ctr+shift+p :o Dec 18 01:47:28 ya, ctrl-shift-x isnt much of a shortcut more of a contortion Dec 18 01:47:33 "* When getting a incoming call, turn over the device so the screen faces down towards the table surface = Silence an incoming call" uhm, what if the device is already face down? Dec 18 01:50:10 there are an awful lot of ways to lock the device :) Dec 18 01:53:22 ctrl+shift+x, also known as: the bane of my existence Dec 18 01:53:49 jebba: thanks for the link *bookmarked* Dec 18 01:54:17 I need to try those keyboard layout stuffs Dec 18 01:54:20 add an alt-button Dec 18 01:54:32 and some other fancy buttons Dec 18 01:54:33 I want to make the camera shutter button display the apps page Dec 18 01:54:40 when not in camera mode Dec 18 01:54:51 ctrl+i should obviously be tabulator Dec 18 01:55:05 in terminal it already is Dec 18 01:55:39 btw, anyone who hasn't tried x11vnc is really missing out. I just sent an SMS from my computer. Dec 18 01:56:57 oh it's a server-app? Dec 18 01:57:20 Milo- there is both a server and client Dec 18 01:57:24 ah cool Dec 18 01:57:43 Milo- http://twitpic.com/ta17z Dec 18 01:57:55 (click view full size) Dec 18 01:58:03 nice :D Dec 18 01:58:22 tried to click and draw circles with my mouse to zoom in :P Dec 18 01:58:25 did not work :D Dec 18 01:58:37 nope. it's pretty laggy too, even over usb networking Dec 18 01:58:53 but keep in mind VNC has no compression Dec 18 01:59:03 but the point is that it's doable Dec 18 01:59:07 unless you have a server/client that specifically supports it Dec 18 01:59:31 yep. which means we can always improve in the future. but for now it's nice being able to sms with my phone halfway across the room hehe Dec 18 01:59:50 I'm curious if anyone has tried to dual-boot Android 2.0 on the N900 yet Dec 18 01:59:51 or while the phone is in the pocket Dec 18 02:00:06 Milo- wouldn't want to try that, when you VNC to it the touch screen becomes active too! Dec 18 02:01:44 unless you have objects in your pocket, that shouldn't be a problem Dec 18 02:02:22 it's not that sensitive Dec 18 02:04:23 what we need is a way to temporarily disable the touch screen when we connect to a VNC session and then re-enable it afterwards, of course making this optional (since you might want to use the touch screen while in VNC) Dec 18 02:04:47 heh Dec 18 02:15:28 nezb: x11vnc as a server really should disable blanking :) Dec 18 02:25:16 ls Dec 18 02:25:23 argh. Dec 18 02:25:33 nomis: I have blanking disabled when USB charger is plugged in so I couldn't tell Dec 18 02:25:47 ah Dec 18 02:26:08 for me (using gvncviewer) apparently the return key stops working at some point. Dec 18 02:28:53 nomis: is your keyboard slid out? Dec 18 02:30:21 jebba: ah, that indeed makes a difference Dec 18 02:30:47 :) Dec 18 02:30:59 jebba: any idea *why* ? Dec 18 02:31:27 uh, not really. Dec 18 02:47:10 cool. Burgerspace full screen, baby. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 18 02:59:56 2009