**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 18 02:59:56 2009 Dec 18 03:16:51 omg Dec 18 03:16:59 * wiretapped just discovered ctrl-shift-I Dec 18 03:17:11 fit-width-to-view, how i've missed you Dec 18 03:17:59 that's upper I Dec 18 03:18:00 i Dec 18 03:18:36 wiretapped: but where on maemo would you use this? everything is pretty much max already Dec 18 03:18:48 jebba: in the web browser Dec 18 03:19:02 sometimes when you zoom in you want the text rewrapped, sometimes you don't Dec 18 03:19:25 in previous incarnations of the maemo browser there was an option in the view menu for this Dec 18 03:19:37 now it is hidden under a keyboard shortcut Dec 18 03:19:56 ah cool Dec 18 03:19:57 ok Dec 18 03:20:05 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures Dec 18 03:21:25 anyone else here get email-to-SMS via t-mobile? It's extremely irritating. Every message comes from a new random four digit number Dec 18 03:21:49 and the conversations app doesn't let you delete all conversations at once Dec 18 03:34:50 Fit width to view is the worst. Dec 18 03:35:18 how can you say that? Dec 18 03:35:24 some times are nearly unreadable without it Dec 18 03:35:31 s/times/sites/ Dec 18 03:35:32 wiretapped meant: some sites are nearly unreadable without it Dec 18 03:36:02 obviously i wouldnt want it on all the time, but i am relieved it is still there Dec 18 03:36:54 wiretapped, it has been known to murder other sites, and make people annoyed Dec 18 03:37:07 the general impression of many was that Maemo 4's implementation, at least, did more harm than good Dec 18 03:37:13 I don't really mind either way Dec 18 04:40:10 oh thats annoying. the bluetooth browse files is a different FS view than USB mass storage Dec 18 05:00:03 maemo Dec 18 05:00:28 's pulseaudio is a gstreamer based plugin? Dec 18 05:10:32 no, gstreamer is a pulseaudio client Dec 18 05:10:37 but gotta go now, have fun. Dec 18 05:23:31 mornin' all Dec 18 05:24:44 hello Dec 18 05:26:28 morning Dec 18 06:03:41 anybody tell me what's that occasional small red marker line in xchat please Dec 18 06:03:49 hehe Dec 18 06:04:18 DocScrutinizer51: i think it marks the chat sessions after every x amount of minutes Dec 18 06:04:23 could be wrong though Dec 18 06:06:05 umm. ok. thanks Dec 18 06:06:42 DocScrutinizer, tells you when your display went to sleep. Dec 18 06:06:51 So you know where you read to last. Dec 18 06:08:39 ahh. still a rather random function. also shows up now and then when on charger and no screen dimming at all. sometimes(!) seems to show up when switching to other task and back Dec 18 06:10:54 it,s so random and thus confusing I think I like to disable it then (seem to remember sth in .cfg) Dec 18 06:13:03 * RST38h moos Dec 18 06:14:57 moin RST38h Dec 18 06:21:23 btw. I start to think I'm losing my mind. I'm sure I had a really nice numptyphysics on my N810, but now it's gone like it never was there. I'm quite sure I haven't uninstalled it. And I seem unable to reinstall it from app manager (not there). direct-install link on garage says "file not found" Dec 18 06:21:47 anybody help me out of this weird story? Dec 18 06:23:40 does anybody know if it's somehow possible to join channels with account-plugin-idle? (IRC plugin for the builtin IM client) Dec 18 06:24:53 woot! I finally got it working! Dec 18 06:24:57 "it" being this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ffejery/4194631686/ Dec 18 06:24:59 :D Dec 18 06:26:13 I can only figure out how to send private messages. It seems pretty nice for that, but then if I only wanted that, I'd probably use another IM protocol. Dec 18 06:31:50 I bought that device about a year ago, and it took until now to figure it out :) Dec 18 06:32:00 but now I can display alerts from my N900 on my wrist Dec 18 06:32:02 yay Dec 18 06:32:07 jaem, which device is that?? Dec 18 06:32:15 swc|666, see flick link Dec 18 06:32:22 yea i saw it Dec 18 06:32:22 flickr Dec 18 06:32:24 oh Dec 18 06:32:33 your flickr doesn't say what it is Dec 18 06:32:34 you can get it from DX for about $30 Dec 18 06:32:39 it doesn't really have a name Dec 18 06:32:45 * swc|666 looks... Dec 18 06:32:47 well how do we find it on DX? Dec 18 06:32:50 aside from something generic like "Bluetooth Bracelet" Dec 18 06:32:53 search for that Dec 18 06:32:53 lol Dec 18 06:33:00 there's also an all-metal version Dec 18 06:33:13 looks like there are several Dec 18 06:33:40 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.25724 Dec 18 06:33:43 me thinks Dec 18 06:33:47 downside is that without some more complicated work, you can't use this at the same time as using a headset for calls Dec 18 06:33:58 lol Dec 18 06:34:03 thats such a geeky bracelet Dec 18 06:34:09 siriusnova, I know Dec 18 06:34:20 swc|666, yes, but it's not OLED, as far as I can see Dec 18 06:34:28 oh, actually Dec 18 06:34:30 hmm Dec 18 06:34:32 maybe it is Dec 18 06:34:41 DX for cheap chinese goods :D Dec 18 06:34:42 it's almost an EL color, but it can't be, given the hardware Dec 18 06:34:43 lol Dec 18 06:34:44 yeah Dec 18 06:34:54 I bought an awesome pocket flashlight from them Dec 18 06:35:05 it took over a month to arrive, but it's good, and cheap Dec 18 06:35:16 and it fits perfectly in my gadget holster XP Dec 18 06:35:35 it's not supposed to be able to display arbitrary text Dec 18 06:35:46 the spec only allows numerical callerID Dec 18 06:35:47 however Dec 18 06:35:51 jaem: so that bracelet is basically telling the phone that it's a bluetooth headset? Dec 18 06:35:54 I bought it because I had a hunch Dec 18 06:35:57 pekuja, yes, HFP Dec 18 06:36:19 my hunch was that since the spec says it's numerical, that the device wouldn't bother checking if it was Dec 18 06:36:22 and the hardware is really simple Dec 18 06:36:44 so how hard was it to make that work with an N900? Dec 18 06:36:58 so I knew that if I could push ASCII data to the device, it would be displayed verbatim on the screen (most simple LCD controllers use ASCII, or a variant) Dec 18 06:37:07 usually the letters and numbers correspond to ASCII, anyway Dec 18 06:37:21 pekuja, well, I bought it a year ago, when I knew nothing about Bluetooth Dec 18 06:37:25 and I haven't had a lot of time to work on it Dec 18 06:37:38 I essentially figured this out between last night and right now Dec 18 06:37:39 :P Dec 18 06:37:42 haha Dec 18 06:37:58 jaem, what did you use, python? Dec 18 06:38:14 and it's not hard, although I'm going to have to do a bit of work to figure out more details, and then some code to make it useful Dec 18 06:38:20 swc|666, indirectly, yes Dec 18 06:38:25 kewl Dec 18 06:39:36 grrr...biting my nails on my n900 delivery Dec 18 06:39:48 ONTARIO, CA, US 12/17/2009 9:53 P.M. ARRIVAL SCAN .. lol Dec 18 06:40:01 swc|666, wait... Canada is in the US? Dec 18 06:40:08 or Ontario is in California? Dec 18 06:40:10 ontario, calif Dec 18 06:40:10 lol Dec 18 06:40:14 really? Dec 18 06:40:16 huh Dec 18 06:40:16 i live in seattle Dec 18 06:40:20 next day air Dec 18 06:40:21 crazy Americans ;) Dec 18 06:40:24 ftw Dec 18 06:40:28 lol Dec 18 06:40:31 * DocScrutinizer51 seems to remember a note about N900 BT being able to connect to multiple clients concurrently Dec 18 06:40:36 swc|666, if you press F5 more often, it makes it come sooner Dec 18 06:40:40 Ontario is a province in Canada also Dec 18 06:40:42 hahaha Dec 18 06:40:48 brb Dec 18 06:40:51 and I suppose a city in California Dec 18 06:40:53 DocScrutinizer51, yes, it should be able to, but this is a separate issue Dec 18 06:41:13 I'll explain in a bit, but I don't want to spill it all until I get a bit more sorted out Dec 18 06:41:33 It Will Be Blogged, in any case Dec 18 06:42:33 jaem: so at least time of day display possible? Dec 18 06:42:48 like a Rdigit caller ID? Dec 18 06:42:57 * RST38h scratches head trying to understand why display time of day Dec 18 06:42:59 4digit even Dec 18 06:43:09 dockane_, in theory, most or all of the ASCII set should be available Dec 18 06:43:13 12 characters wide Dec 18 06:43:30 hmm even better Dec 18 06:43:33 jaem: so what kind of software did you write for it? Dec 18 06:43:37 I just have to figure out the character mapping, because these controllers usually map them oddly Dec 18 06:43:45 pekuja, currently? nothing. Dec 18 06:43:53 jaem: ah ok Dec 18 06:43:55 it's actually pretty simple - it just took me a while to see it Dec 18 06:44:02 * jaem will be back shortly, with more news Dec 18 06:44:08 jaem: so out of the box, does it work for incoming calls? Dec 18 06:44:20 RST38h: just because that's what those gadgets at my wrist are supposed to do usually ;-D Dec 18 06:44:25 pekuja, presumably, but I don't have a plan for my N900 Dec 18 06:44:33 DocScrutinizer51, you don't want to do that Dec 18 06:44:49 Doc: Ah... Dec 18 06:44:49 it's meant for alerts - if you want to display the time constantly, you'll run down the batter in no time Dec 18 06:44:53 especially with the vibra Dec 18 06:45:04 anyhow, don't bug me for a bit, so I can work on this ;) Dec 18 06:45:16 jaem: well you can still get incoming calls from Skype Dec 18 06:45:30 jaem: I think Dec 18 06:45:45 pekuja, no SkypeIn in Canada Dec 18 06:46:22 jaem: well I mean even just regular Skype calls Dec 18 06:46:52 jaem: I would guess N900 handles those the same as regular calls Dec 18 06:47:14 pekuja, it does, but they won't have a number associated with them Dec 18 06:48:49 hrm Dec 18 06:48:56 looks like most or all symbols may not be supported Dec 18 06:48:57 darn Dec 18 06:49:07 then again, it may just need more hackz Dec 18 06:49:14 s/z/s/ Dec 18 06:49:15 jaem meant: then again, it may just need more hacks Dec 18 06:49:18 ;) Dec 18 06:49:49 http://www.ariel.com.au/jokes/The_Evolution_of_a_Programmer.html awsome Dec 18 06:49:56 Chief Executive jaem Dec 18 06:50:37 Ceron, what are you implying? :S Dec 18 06:50:51 look at link :D Dec 18 06:50:56 I did Dec 18 06:51:19 but I'm not following you, unless it was a wanton insult :P Dec 18 06:51:43 it wanst an insult, it was just to get you to read the link Dec 18 06:51:49 ah, okay Dec 18 06:51:53 heh... fair enough Dec 18 06:52:51 jaem: they don't have a number, but I would hope that the default behavior was to display the contact's name and not their phone number Dec 18 06:52:56 hey... can someone vote/test accdisplay? its in extras-testing and already got 6 votes. it is useful to view/record/playback accelerometer's data Dec 18 06:53:05 pekuja, the HFP spec doesn't support that Dec 18 06:53:07 graphicaly Dec 18 06:53:11 jaem: oh Dec 18 06:53:12 I'm quite certain of that Dec 18 06:53:25 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/accdisplay/1.0 Dec 18 06:53:40 jaem: but, the device itself could do it, if you wrote your own module Dec 18 06:53:40 cpscotti, do you just need a quick "work/doesn't work", or specific things tested? Dec 18 06:53:47 I already take a look at it Dec 18 06:53:52 just a vote.. Dec 18 06:53:57 yep.. Dec 18 06:54:06 everything is working... Dec 18 06:54:13 pekuja, yes, it might be doable, but it's non-standard, so it won't get included in anything Nokia distributes Dec 18 06:54:18 just need some votes.. hehehe Dec 18 06:54:20 cpscotti, sure - it looked fine to me Dec 18 06:54:27 :) Dec 18 06:55:34 is this the standard procedure to ask for the votes? or am i missing something? Dec 18 06:56:06 cpscotti, well, ostensibly you shouldn't encourage people to vote without testing Dec 18 06:56:28 jaem: yeah, but I imagine you're going to want something like that Dec 18 06:56:37 pekuja, exactly Dec 18 06:56:37 jaem: or I don't know. what do you plan on doing with the bracelet? Dec 18 06:56:48 I'm not sure how I'm going to go about it yet, though Dec 18 06:57:04 I don't have the knowledge or resources to maintain third-party patches to a bunch of apps Dec 18 06:57:30 jaem: what's the datatype specified in HFP for transfering the ID? Dec 18 06:57:34 but once I get something usable out as a hack for people to try if they want, then maybe people might be interested in doing so themselves Dec 18 06:57:47 well... so the idea is just asking for another work/don't work test? Dec 18 06:57:58 but it won't be mainstream, because there's not guarantee it will work on other devices Dec 18 06:58:25 DocScrutinizer51, IIRC it's a string, but they specify that it must be numerical Dec 18 06:59:12 ok.. so now in a proper manner..: Dec 18 06:59:34 jaem: I think that's to accomodate 7segment gadgets Dec 18 06:59:52 DocScrutinizer51, probably Dec 18 07:00:03 can someone test (work/dont) n900fly? it is aok.. if u care voting: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/n900fly/0.1.5 Dec 18 07:00:21 as I said, aside from prudence, there's no real reason to validate the string on the remote device Dec 18 07:00:44 although it seems like something might be stripping symbols from it Dec 18 07:00:47 I'm looking into it Dec 18 07:01:37 because the controller, in all probability, implements at least most of the ASCII characters Dec 18 07:01:54 unfortunately, IIRC it's a COG, so I can't reasonably find the datasheet Dec 18 07:03:41 COG? Dec 18 07:03:52 -wtf COG Dec 18 07:03:59 err Dec 18 07:04:03 DocScrutinizer51, "Chip-On-Glass" Dec 18 07:04:11 it's an IC packaging method Dec 18 07:04:12 ~wtf COG Dec 18 07:04:14 Gee... I don't know what COG means... Dec 18 07:04:26 aah Dec 18 07:04:26 in this case, the LCD controller is mounted on the screen itself Dec 18 07:04:28 I think Dec 18 07:04:35 it's been a while since I took it apart Dec 18 07:05:00 they basically just slap the die on the back of the screen, and then coat it in some protective substance Dec 18 07:05:07 hence, no visible model number Dec 18 07:06:24 The jbt6k74 COG on freerunner's display even has a label lasered into bottom of the silicon die Dec 18 07:06:35 huh Dec 18 07:07:07 it's not coated Dec 18 07:07:15 * luke-jr_ wants a true RGBA display <.< Dec 18 07:11:51 err, no. scratch that. I remebered sth incorrect Dec 18 07:12:38 or it faded away during last 6 months ;-P Dec 18 07:17:16 luke-jr_: for the "A" part you hardly find any controller supporting that Dec 18 07:18:34 DocScrutinizer51: hardly? you mean some exist already? Dec 18 07:20:27 luke-jr_: depends on your definition of "controller for a display" Dec 18 07:20:52 oh, wait, you're talking controller only Dec 18 07:20:56 not the whole display Dec 18 07:20:56 some gracas should know alpha' no? ;-) Dec 18 07:21:29 gracas? Dec 18 07:21:40 graphics cards Dec 18 07:21:51 for output? Dec 18 07:22:10 I want a RGBA *display*, not graphics card :p Dec 18 07:23:04 hehe. on 100% transparent the display becomes invisible Dec 18 07:23:24 exactly Dec 18 07:23:52 * DocScrutinizer51 wonders why luke-jr_ would want to watch the PCB underneath Dec 18 07:24:02 I wouldn't put a PCB underneath Dec 18 07:25:37 * DocScrutinizer51 suggests to use a beamer then. Perfect implicit alphablending Dec 18 07:25:47 beamer? Dec 18 07:27:06 the things to throw pictures on any arbitrary surface. Preferrably canvas (if thats the right word) Dec 18 07:27:14 aka projector Dec 18 07:27:37 even transparent surfaces? :p Dec 18 07:27:55 and implicit would mean 0% alpha wouldn't work Dec 18 07:27:56 :/ Dec 18 07:28:36 0% on black is kinda hard admittedly Dec 18 07:30:36 and yes. we see transparent canvas lately in some TV studios. Some sort of nano fresnell Dec 18 07:30:58 I also need it to be eye mountable Dec 18 07:31:00 :p Dec 18 07:31:42 luke-jr_, :D Dec 18 07:33:09 someone else problems with mauku? Dec 18 07:33:43 for a headmounted device you probably are best off with a shutter goggle plus microbeamer with prisma Dec 18 07:34:18 mauku doesn't update the timeline Dec 18 07:50:51 hrrhr, who turned off the heat again Dec 18 07:50:58 adeus, me Dec 18 07:51:15 and that, kids, is why you don't control your home automation system with an IRC bot Dec 18 07:51:16 eyelashes froze shut when you blink Dec 18 07:52:02 that's the global warming Dec 18 07:52:53 adeus, I hear ya. Here's my weather: http://www.thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=Turku&CELSIUS=yes Dec 18 07:54:15 Does anyone know if sound should work in ScummVM on N900? Dec 18 07:54:54 I have you beat with a mighty one degree difference Dec 18 07:56:01 adeus, I think the fucking weather is rather exaggerated. It's really only -17.9 Dec 18 07:56:20 still fucking cold Dec 18 07:57:59 nvrmind got sound now :) yay Dec 18 07:59:11 How do I add a bug tracker link on an extras-testing package? Dec 18 07:59:16 Need to rebuild? Dec 18 08:03:07 it's a special field in the control file Dec 18 08:04:09 Thanks! Dec 18 08:14:13 ScummVM is AWESOME!!! Dec 18 08:14:21 DocScrutinizer51: btw, why don't you try n900 hostmode with proper equipment? Dec 18 08:15:25 PaulFertser: honestly? probably cause I'm a lazy asshole Dec 18 08:16:31 PaulFertser: I got a powered hub here. If you want to talk me into doing it right now :-) Dec 18 08:17:22 mece: Is ScummVM in extras-devel? Dec 18 08:19:41 DocScrutinizer51: would be nice to try. First i'd enable the hostmode with the sysfs node (iirc it's called "host" and it's in the musb driver, you can easily find /sys -name \*musb\* it). Then i'd check that strong pullup is not there, that would ensure it indeed switched. Dec 18 08:20:04 stupid question : how do you select some text in Modest mail editor ? Dec 18 08:20:05 DocScrutinizer51: then i'd check the pulldowns and added externally if they're not present. Dec 18 08:20:15 hover browser mode doesn't work in modest Dec 18 08:20:37 PaulFertser: checking pullup is beyond my tools ATM Dec 18 08:21:00 DocScrutinizer51: oh, i thought you always carry a multimeter with you :) Dec 18 08:21:10 PaulFertser: I'll simply attach that hub and kbd Dec 18 08:22:08 find musb... Dec 18 08:22:24 pekuja, yes it is Dec 18 08:22:42 mece: I think I'll stay clear of that repo for now. Dec 18 08:22:52 mece: Not in the mood to break my system yet. ;-) Dec 18 08:22:54 pekuja, http://twitpic.com/tznyj Dec 18 08:23:05 mece: ScummVM is tempting though ;-) Dec 18 08:23:13 ooh Dec 18 08:23:21 pekuja, well you can just dl the deb Dec 18 08:23:32 it is pretty much a perfect fit for the N900 Dec 18 08:23:53 a lot of action games don't work too well because you don't have a d-pad or similar Dec 18 08:24:16 pekuja, yep. Monkey 2 works flawlessly. you can drag cursor around to hover. click to click, shift-click to rightcllick Dec 18 08:24:31 PaulFertser: no host node in /sys/bus/platform/drivers/musb_hdrc Dec 18 08:24:46 I won't get much work done today Dec 18 08:25:32 aw snap... the bracelet's battery died just when I was getting debugging stupid errors in a shiny demo Dec 18 08:25:38 PaulFertser: find host... Dec 18 08:25:44 methinks this is the signal to go get food while I wait Dec 18 08:26:53 PaulFertser: hmm. didn't see that Dec 18 08:27:10 /sys/bus/platform/drivers/musb_hdrc Dec 18 08:27:46 /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/usb_host:usb_host1 Dec 18 08:27:49 even Dec 18 08:28:12 jo Dec 18 08:28:14 hi doc Dec 18 08:29:06 DocScrutinizer51: what is in /sys/bus/platform/drivers/musb_hdrc ? Dec 18 08:29:52 DocScrutinizer51: sorry, really gtg right atm. I think i passed you the full and correct sysfs node name earlier in here, but i can't remember it atm. :| Dec 18 08:30:44 PaulFertser: uevent and unbind Dec 18 08:30:59 hi woglinde Dec 18 08:32:16 have any of you seen "issues" when charging via usb cable to a computer? sometimes i have to reconnect it a few times before it begins to charge. im 100% certain its not the issues with the usb connector going loose, as it works when i do the replugging on the PC side Dec 18 08:32:49 redeeman: i've sometimes had issues both with real charger and usb Dec 18 08:32:59 woglinde, moo Dec 18 08:33:02 it never does this with real charger for me Dec 18 08:33:04 he jaem Dec 18 08:33:09 jaem ready for nx? Dec 18 08:33:18 redeeman: only when i've let it go completely flat Dec 18 08:33:24 woglinde, going to grab food while I wait for my bracelet to charge, and then sure Dec 18 08:33:25 :) Dec 18 08:33:35 Micha_: i never let it go so low it turns off Dec 18 08:33:49 woglinde, I was just mentioning this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ffejery/4194631686/ Dec 18 08:33:58 'tis what I've been hacking on tonight Dec 18 08:34:02 redeeman: i don't on purpose either Dec 18 08:34:11 jaem lol Dec 18 08:34:24 woglinde, I've seriously wanted something like that for years Dec 18 08:34:32 although admittedly I'd dreamed of something better Dec 18 08:34:50 and without the oh-so-classy "BLUETOOTH" line above the rather small screen Dec 18 08:34:51 this thing is well cool. programming and irc while stuck on london transport :) Dec 18 08:34:52 lol Dec 18 08:35:02 Micha_, -grin- Dec 18 08:35:18 Micha_, coding on your phone is kind of awesome Dec 18 08:35:26 woglinde, anyhow, food - I'll be back in a bit Dec 18 08:35:55 jaem jo take your time Dec 18 08:37:00 If anyone wants to see my first project, mwtube on garage Dec 18 08:37:21 Micha_, YouTube client? Dec 18 08:37:30 tiny london tube status app Dec 18 08:37:34 oh... lol Dec 18 08:37:48 * jaem doesn't speak Britishese Dec 18 08:37:54 no, there's ebough youtube stuff Dec 18 08:38:01 * jaem nods Dec 18 08:38:13 what about one that shows you Youtube videos of British subways? Dec 18 08:38:19 *raises eyebrow* Dec 18 08:38:33 **while you're on the train** Dec 18 08:38:35 ooohhh Dec 18 08:38:41 lol Dec 18 08:39:06 probably get locked up as a terrorist if you try that.. Dec 18 08:39:17 or if you do other stuff Dec 18 08:39:21 * jaem looks shifty-eyed Dec 18 08:39:41 man, you can't even mess with circuits on the bus these days Dec 18 08:39:46 * RST38h pings X-Fade Dec 18 08:39:49 yeah, it had a red 7-seg, but come on! Dec 18 08:40:04 guys Dec 18 08:40:09 i have a quick on Dec 18 08:40:25 its on external mem card on the n800, os2008 Dec 18 08:40:35 ah http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/ is nice to read Dec 18 08:40:39 moo rst Dec 18 08:40:43 rst jupp Dec 18 08:40:46 when i ran sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblkl Dec 18 08:40:47 ~ping x-fade Dec 18 08:40:48 pong x-fade Dec 18 08:41:13 it freezes after displaying the number of cylinders Dec 18 08:41:40 heya woglinde Dec 18 08:41:57 looks like extras is stuck again :(( Dec 18 08:42:02 hm Dec 18 08:42:12 I need libxmuu moved from sdk to extras Dec 18 08:45:10 why? just add the sdk repo and you have it available ;) Dec 18 08:45:20 PaulFertser: you're welcome to walk me thru finding whatever sysnode might be related to usb host. I seem unable to find any promising candidate Dec 18 08:45:26 ruskie on devices? Dec 18 08:45:30 ruskie now way Dec 18 08:45:39 no way Dec 18 08:45:43 why not? Dec 18 08:46:02 because you cann't be shure it interferes Dec 18 08:46:07 with other packages Dec 18 08:46:20 args my spelling today Dec 18 08:46:24 I would assume apt to be smart enough to notice those things Dec 18 08:46:24 a blody mess Dec 18 08:46:44 damn, I was excited about OpenTTD on the N900, but basically the UI is designed for a much bigger screen Dec 18 08:46:52 most ares Dec 18 08:46:55 erm are Dec 18 08:46:56 and it's not really playable at all without a stylus Dec 18 08:46:57 yeah Dec 18 08:47:13 pekuja hm wasnt there themes/patches for smaller screens? Dec 18 08:47:25 I don't know Dec 18 08:47:57 and bloody cold today Dec 18 08:48:04 friggin charger doesn't start charging. Still unplugging it creates a event Dec 18 08:48:11 umm, wtf Dec 18 08:48:18 Screen resolution is set to 400x210 Dec 18 08:48:29 pekuja change it Dec 18 08:48:35 ha, now we're talking Dec 18 08:48:37 redeeman: ^ Dec 18 08:48:51 alas, this is going to be utterly impossible to play without a stylus and a steady hand Dec 18 08:48:59 redeeman: known issue Dec 18 08:49:12 but better than the half-resolution version Dec 18 08:49:28 DocScrutinizer51: but does it only affect pc usb charging? because otherwise im quite on a coincidence-streak Dec 18 08:49:57 hm openvg support in qt Dec 18 08:50:02 seems like that. See I said 'chargwer' Dec 18 08:50:43 ever one out of R here Dec 18 08:50:52 s/R/4 Dec 18 08:55:09 someone please help me out here Dec 18 08:55:19 what does a dmesg entry that reads Dec 18 08:56:02 FAT:FAT read failed (blocknr xxxx) mmcblk0: error 1 sending read/write command Dec 18 08:56:53 GAN900: heh. now that I know its real meaning, the red line seems to be even useful ;-D Dec 18 08:57:47 GAN900: thanks again Dec 18 08:58:13 N900 is perfect for the classic lucasarts games. Perhaps I can finally try to complete the dig. Difficult game. Dec 18 09:11:14 Woohoo, Motorola milestone arrived Dec 18 09:11:16 does anybody know if MaStory has any special requirements from the server side? I have a WordPress blog that I'm trying to post to, but it keeps failing. Dec 18 09:11:35 MaStory just says "Error publishing" so that doesn't help much Dec 18 09:11:53 i had the same problem with mastory and drupal Dec 18 09:13:23 I can see a single POST request in my server's access log Dec 18 09:14:42 maybe it requires Apache Dec 18 09:14:47 wouldn't think that made a difference though Dec 18 09:14:48 DocScrutinizer51: from reading the sources it looks like the relevant node is called "mode" Dec 18 09:14:51 just a wild guess Dec 18 09:14:57 I'm running lighttpd Dec 18 09:15:12 PaulFertser: doing find mode... Dec 18 09:18:04 PaulFertser: /sys $ cat ./devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode Dec 18 09:18:22 PaulFertser: b_idle Dec 18 09:18:33 well, I'm thinking of moving away from WordPress anyhow. not that that's going to make my life much easier Dec 18 09:18:40 The milestone is UGLY Dec 18 09:18:47 But the screen is win Dec 18 09:19:01 PaulFertser: echo host > ? Dec 18 09:20:59 DocScrutinizer51: yes, host Dec 18 09:24:29 Gadgetoid_mbp, and we care about it why? Dec 18 09:25:02 PaulFertser: no effect. still reads b_idle. nothing in dmsg either Dec 18 09:25:22 Evidently *you* don't, try not caring quietly Dec 18 09:25:58 * aquatix not-so-secretly quite likes the design of the Milestone, apart from the golden d-pad Dec 18 09:26:22 The d-pad is awful, aquatix Dec 18 09:27:04 and the keyboard, whilst quite sensibly big, is very, very flat Dec 18 09:27:22 beveled keys give the n900 a firm edge tthere Dec 18 09:28:25 DocScrutinizer51: :( probably disabled in kernel config. Would be nice to have zgrep /proc/config.gz MUSB or something... Dec 18 09:28:50 DocScrutinizer51: when neither HOST nor OTG is compiled in, the relevant code is ifdef'd out :| Dec 18 09:29:37 I'd guess exactly that is the (first) problem Dec 18 09:29:43 check changelog Dec 18 09:30:07 Stskeeps: moin :-) pointer? Dec 18 09:30:26 Stskeeps: yep, what is the easiest way to get .config for the "production" kernel? Dec 18 09:30:33 good morning Dec 18 09:31:52 N900 folks, how am I supposed to activate Ovi Store to get my $50 rebate pre-paid VISA offer from Nokia if the Ovi store is not available for the N900? Dec 18 09:32:40 ...is the place to be asking about that? Dec 18 09:33:16 its not open yet for n900 Dec 18 09:33:29 just wait Dec 18 09:34:24 DocScrutinizer51: rx51_defconfig from the "official" source has the host mode enabled but i have no idea if that's the same config used for the kernel you run. Dec 18 09:34:41 the rebate form defines that I must register for Ovi Store -or- Ovi Maps and have the application postmarked no later than the first week of January 2010 Dec 18 09:34:51 DocScrutinizer51: i think i can compile the kernel myself to make sure, if you want to mess with it... Dec 18 09:35:22 I'm *freaking* just ever so slightly about this delay, was there any official announcement to address that from Nokia, maybe I should read up on? Dec 18 09:36:30 PaulFertser: how would I possibly check the actual kernel? find some exported symbol or ??? Dec 18 09:36:48 besides the rebate concern, I'm very pleased with Maemo5 and associated software as featured on the N900 Dec 18 09:38:33 DocScrutinizer51: if it lacks /proc/config.gz, there's no good way i think. Dec 18 09:39:29 lemme check Dec 18 09:42:32 PaulFertser: /proc/kallsyms is as good as it gets I guess Dec 18 09:43:10 DocScrutinizer51: at least the official package has debian/rules which states rx51_defconfig is used, so the hostmode support should be there... Dec 18 09:44:46 Is there a way to modify the RDS data output for the fm transmitter? would be nice to get the artist-song name displayed Dec 18 09:44:49 DocScrutinizer51: ok, musb_srp_store is a good candidate. Should be there if hostmode is enabled. Dec 18 09:44:57 PaulFertser: I can not change content of mode sysnode as explained above. Always shows b_idle no matter if I echo host > ./mode Dec 18 09:45:15 DocScrutinizer51: can you check if musb_srp_store is among kallsyms? Dec 18 09:45:21 sure Dec 18 09:47:46 DocScrutinizer51: hm, i'm not sure it's the function of interest anymore.. Dec 18 09:48:15 PaulFertser: yep. is there. among otg-timer and a lot of other promising stuff Dec 18 09:49:53 DocScrutinizer51: sorry, it's not the node, that's for peripheral. The defenitive answer is in dmesg, it should print on init something like musb_hdrc: version: blablabla listing all the capabilities. Dec 18 09:50:45 PaulFertser: prolly my dmesg wrapped Dec 18 09:51:28 yup Dec 18 09:52:32 there's been a dmesg pastebin of boot somewhere in the internet. Alas have no pointer/bookmark atm Dec 18 09:53:03 DocScrutinizer51: also quite possibly musb has problems with external hubs, at least the source says a lot about various unsolved hub-related issues. Dec 18 09:54:29 PaulFertser: so you suggest I should use a Y-cable then? Once we found a node to actually switch Dec 18 09:56:10 morning Dec 18 09:57:46 DocScrutinizer51: do you get anything in dmesg after you try to force host mode? Dec 18 09:59:17 PaulFertser: nope. not a single line Dec 18 09:59:33 DocScrutinizer51: weird but i do not see what i expect in dmesg wrt version an capabilities in the dmesg i googled. Dec 18 10:11:18 damnit jaem i want one of the bt bracelets now .. but i dont trust dx Dec 18 10:12:55 swc|666, DX is a bit sketchy, but in my own experience, by all I've heard, they do deliver Dec 18 10:13:20 they might backorder it for a month or so, or something stupid like that, but they're as respectable as such a business can be Dec 18 10:13:44 mece open a bug on the RDS? Dec 18 10:13:44 swc|666, oh by the way, I have a scrolling alert demo done now Dec 18 10:14:09 I'll record a video with the N900, and upload it to my server along with the script Dec 18 10:14:17 DocScrutinizer51: the messages in question are KERN_INFO level so should be visible... mad strange why the hell they're not there. Dec 18 10:14:18 give me a few Dec 18 10:15:36 jaem niiice! Dec 18 10:16:35 DocScrutinizer51: looks like i just can't find an untruncated dmesg :| Dec 18 10:17:00 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6823 - check it people Dec 18 10:17:00 jaem, how exactly do you record a video on your n900? Dec 18 10:17:02 Bug 6823: media player won't play any video files now (.avi) divx / xvid Dec 18 10:17:30 mikhas, um... camera? Dec 18 10:17:38 although you can do screencasts too Dec 18 10:17:57 swc|666, darn - the text is too small to read at the distance the video camera will focus at Dec 18 10:18:03 heh... silly cell phone cameras Dec 18 10:18:09 hehe, yea Dec 18 10:18:20 so you'll have to take my word for it Dec 18 10:18:24 i'd like to see the text scroll Dec 18 10:18:27 if you want one of them, I'd say go for it Dec 18 10:18:30 well, here's the thing Dec 18 10:18:39 it's *really* not meant for scrolling text Dec 18 10:18:41 Come on, guys, is it really that hard for you to provide me with full n900 dmesg please? Dec 18 10:19:00 it's meant for a phone number, and a single display per call Dec 18 10:19:19 PaulFertser, my n900 is on the way .. literally http://flightaware.com/live/flight_track_bigmap.rvt?ident=UPS984-1261119130-2-0&airports=KONT+KBFI&height=340&width=400&departuretime=1261130520&arrivaltime= Dec 18 10:19:20 and by default it will vibrate and display that until you manually accept or reject the call Dec 18 10:19:35 which displays a message to that effect (which is annoying) Dec 18 10:19:45 so Dec 18 10:19:45 PaulFertser: seems some of the first few lines always are truncated Dec 18 10:19:52 jaem, one of the things i read about it was that it had a proximity feature as well Dec 18 10:19:59 jaem wer is the qtnx log? Dec 18 10:20:09 so if the phone is X distance away, it'll vibrate Dec 18 10:20:15 I'm ringing it with a substring, then sleeping, then cancelling the call, and then ringing with the new string Dec 18 10:20:22 swc|666, that's actually kind of misleading Dec 18 10:20:29 orly Dec 18 10:20:36 what it really does is buzz if it goes out of range without being properly disconnected Dec 18 10:20:39 :P Dec 18 10:20:44 DocScrutinizer51: meh :| probably if saved really early, like right after the init, they'd get to the log... Dec 18 10:20:46 woglinde, coming up - sorry to keep putting you off Dec 18 10:20:49 ah yea i can see that Dec 18 10:20:59 I just got done exams recently, and I've had a lot of backlog Dec 18 10:21:13 obviously it cant measure signal with whatever chip/board it has Dec 18 10:21:37 s/signal/signal levels/ Dec 18 10:21:38 swc|666 meant: obviously it cant measure signal levels with whatever chip/board it has Dec 18 10:21:40 swc|666, IIRC, it's a CSR chip with BT and a basic MCU Dec 18 10:21:46 about as FOSS-unfriendly as you can get Dec 18 10:21:46 PaulFertser: let me reboot and pastebin what dmesg will give Dec 18 10:21:54 niiice Dec 18 10:21:56 CSR ftw Dec 18 10:21:59 which is too bad, because otherwise it looks reasonably easy to reflash Dec 18 10:22:01 maybe not CSR Dec 18 10:22:09 Sane devs shouldn't have used such a damn small dmesg buffer :| Dec 18 10:22:15 but at any rate, there is no free (or even cheap) way to compile for it Dec 18 10:22:38 woglinde, can I save the log from within qtnx, or do I need to capture it from the terminal? Dec 18 10:23:02 swc|666, I'll have to pull it apart again and take another look - it's been months, and I didn't document it Dec 18 10:23:13 cool Dec 18 10:23:28 jaem its both the same Dec 18 10:23:36 i think i managed to find illegally copied "bluelab" or something software to build for some common BT chip. Dec 18 10:23:41 woglinde, okay - it'll be one moment Dec 18 10:23:45 PaulFertser, that may be it Dec 18 10:24:00 I think it said you could flash it over UART or USB, neither of which are connected to anything Dec 18 10:24:13 but I think at the time the UART looked like it might be accessible Dec 18 10:24:17 as I said, it was a while ago Dec 18 10:24:23 sweet Dec 18 10:24:37 jaem: if you need that software i can try to find it again, never actually tested it and it's ancient (2-3 years ago). Dec 18 10:24:51 PaulFertser, I'll see - thanks for the offer Dec 18 10:25:28 Ah, and of course it's windows only, what else can one expect from proprietary shit. Dec 18 10:25:36 heh, yeah Dec 18 10:25:43 woglinde, huh... it automagically worked this time Dec 18 10:25:49 weird Dec 18 10:26:01 gah, maemo extras downloads page keeps reseting the description i give it? Dec 18 10:26:05 then again, NX on this server has been a bit odd from time to time Dec 18 10:26:11 liqflow entered extras yesterday Dec 18 10:26:12 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/liqflow/ Dec 18 10:26:17 and i changed description Dec 18 10:26:21 but it keeps gettign reset Dec 18 10:26:21 jaem coool Dec 18 10:26:37 would qtnx give a message in the GUI if Bad Things happen, or only in the log? Dec 18 10:26:39 jaem server is not my field Dec 18 10:26:40 such as auth failed Dec 18 10:26:53 jaem hm auth is in gui Dec 18 10:26:56 some errors nor Dec 18 10:26:58 args not Dec 18 10:27:27 X-Fade, any idea ^ Dec 18 10:27:31 PaulFertser: http://pastebin.com/f4c273c9 Dec 18 10:27:47 ~seen x-fade Dec 18 10:27:48 x-fade is currently on #maemo (6h 24m 52s), last said: 'RST38h: Lunch, bbl.'. Dec 18 10:28:16 woglinde, man, this is awesome :) Dec 18 10:28:21 DocScrutinizer51: :( same truncated stuff, begins with wireless already Dec 18 10:28:42 woglinde, thanks for your work! Dec 18 10:28:52 yes thanks woglinde Dec 18 10:29:00 by the way, do you know of any lighter-weight open source NX clients? Dec 18 10:29:11 PaulFertser: as I said. Something spoils the msg buffer during init Dec 18 10:29:32 I understand that NoMachine has released a client for the Zauri, but I'm looking at an unsupported device with more RAM, but not enough for QtNX Dec 18 10:31:17 woglinde, is there a way to minimize the NX session without logging out? Dec 18 10:31:19 DocScrutinizer51: or it's just too small, let me check. Dec 18 10:31:25 jaem? Dec 18 10:31:32 woglinde, yes? Dec 18 10:31:41 what you excatly mean? Dec 18 10:32:02 the window disappears when you click on minimize? Dec 18 10:32:05 hi cbrake Dec 18 10:32:25 well, on the official desktop Linux client, you can click in the top-right corner of the screen to minimize it. I didn't see any obvious way to do so in qtnx Dec 18 10:32:36 I don't want to have to log out to go back to Maemo for a moment Dec 18 10:32:48 aeh Dec 18 10:32:54 this works flawless on n810 Dec 18 10:33:01 PaulFertser: apt-get install syslogd??? klogd??? Dec 18 10:33:04 but how does it work? Dec 18 10:33:05 maybee some window atoms changed for maemo5 Dec 18 10:33:10 so , people, I'v managed to get my /etc/nameserver not fucked by network-manager, but everything I try to install says I don't have the python deps, do I need to add more sources? Dec 18 10:33:15 the same way? Dec 18 10:33:22 I want to start with installing the ofiicial terminal for the platform Dec 18 10:33:29 jaem qtnx only setups the parameters for the nx connection Dec 18 10:33:36 DocScrutinizer51: no idea, probably the buffer gets overwritten before the userspace starts even. Dec 18 10:33:37 and then calls nxssh and nxproxy Dec 18 10:33:37 woglinde, riiight Dec 18 10:33:41 so it should be the same Dec 18 10:33:49 and the nxserver displays the window on maemo Dec 18 10:33:52 what exactly is the nature of the remote window, then? Dec 18 10:34:06 is it just a window, or a nested XServer, or what? Dec 18 10:34:13 because the xserver dont know about maemo it dont sets the maemo atoms Dec 18 10:34:19 for this window Dec 18 10:34:22 DocScrutinizer51: according to rx51_defconfig the size is 16KiB. Dec 18 10:34:35 wtf?1 Dec 18 10:34:36 so I run a thread in nxproxy which checks for this windows appears and sets the atoms Dec 18 10:38:49 DocScrutinizer51: n900 is so fucking constrained :) Dec 18 10:39:12 :( Dec 18 10:39:21 PaulFertser: I have n900 in hand, what do you need and how do I do it? Dec 18 10:39:53 lucent: i'm afraid you're not going to recompile a custom kernel and install it, are you? Dec 18 10:40:01 yeah. and still they dare to sacrifice a whole shitload of 16k for log buffer Dec 18 10:40:07 PaulFertser: ah, sorry I don't think I can afford to do this Dec 18 10:40:40 I'm loonix savvy but that's not sounding very safe or supportable :( Dec 18 10:41:00 dmesg isn't saved on the device ? Dec 18 10:41:17 lucent: the buffer is too damn small, so it gets truncated before the userspace starts it seems. Dec 18 10:41:24 thanks for the full explain Dec 18 10:41:37 now I can understand why this is not easy to find ;/ Dec 18 10:41:52 are there serial port headers on it? Dec 18 10:41:58 lucent: i think that flashing kernel to n900 is as safe as to n810 which is 100% safe due to the presence of usb bootloader. Dec 18 10:42:17 well, you know that's what I would try without hesitation, messing with the firmware or kernel isn't in my comfort zone for this device Dec 18 10:42:38 PaulFertser, what is it you are trying to do, or rather why Dec 18 10:43:07 PaulFertser: what is dmesg needed for though? Dec 18 10:43:08 lcuk: it would be nice to see the full dmesg output to see if host/otg musb driver parts are compiled in or not. Dec 18 10:43:18 oh Dec 18 10:43:25 isn't there a .config available? Dec 18 10:43:29 lcuk: because i'm really unsure the production kernel uses the same kernel config as rx51_config. Dec 18 10:43:43 have you got a device yet? Dec 18 10:43:43 I would expect such a twist from nokia. Dec 18 10:44:38 lcuk: me? Dec 18 10:44:49 yes Dec 18 10:46:15 lcuk: unless i get one by a lucky coincedence, i am not going to have one. It's not free enough to my liking, unfortunately. And also mad expensive comparing to my freerunner. Dec 18 10:46:55 $529 with $50 rebate is what I paid, hrm Dec 18 10:47:11 lcuk: if i had the device i'd be running my self-compiled kernel already and wouldn't ask stupid questions about musb etc :) Dec 18 10:47:19 lucent: FR is <$200 i think Dec 18 10:47:23 so *if* Ovi store opens for N900 before and I qualify, that's $479 ;) Dec 18 10:48:22 you can't get the rebate without Ovi? Dec 18 10:48:55 the Nokia Ovi rebate requries purchase of a qualifying phone and also activation for either Ovi Store or Ovi Maps Dec 18 10:49:02 ...from the device Dec 18 10:49:16 can't do it yet from N900 because N900 isn't a valid Ovi Store device Dec 18 10:49:22 nice trick Dec 18 10:49:36 you can get a hannah montanah screensaver tho Dec 18 10:49:47 * lcuk kicks git Dec 18 10:49:52 ha, I thought so once I got the N900 in my hands and tried like a fervent monkey to jump through the hoops for rebate submittal Dec 18 10:50:00 lcuk use it right Dec 18 10:50:02 what's the point of rebates, anyway? the high likelihood that most of the customers won't bother or won't be able to figure out what hoops to jump through? Dec 18 10:50:14 * lcuk smiles at mgedmin Dec 18 10:50:57 mgedmin: really? that's an economics discussion you could go on about like it's some kind of conspiracy against the consumer... simple enough, it encourages spending on credit Dec 18 10:51:03 remind me to talk to you next time we have beers, knowing you do gtimelog as well as irc gives me some ideas Dec 18 10:51:29 uh oh Dec 18 10:51:39 lucent, to be fair, I never understood economics Dec 18 10:51:52 well, never studied economics would be more accurate ;) Dec 18 10:51:58 nor I, at least I claim to not be an expert right here and now Dec 18 10:52:08 I work at a movie theater Dec 18 10:52:20 around xmas holiday time, we sell movie "passes" which are face value Dec 18 10:52:31 why are rebates better (for the seller, I assume) than discounts? Dec 18 10:52:43 they're not redeemable for cash, yet they are VERY profitable for the business Dec 18 10:53:05 mgedmin, because many people don't cash them in Dec 18 10:53:06 even if every single person uses their pass, and we make no profit from people forgetting to use their pass, it's still a huge win Dec 18 10:53:13 so, what I said, basically ;) Dec 18 10:53:30 jaem: that's just the contrary to what I see for the "movie pass" use case Dec 18 10:53:35 woglinde, ive got a package which got drunk, went on a 3 month bender had patches applied and was released. meanwhile the stable branch continued until a release, then this was also taken on a christmas party and left tied to a lamppost naked. i have to somehow get git to first identify the missing patches, then tell it to apply those patches to the main branch Dec 18 10:53:37 without histories Dec 18 10:54:04 lcuk, rofl Dec 18 10:54:27 we do more business by offering a form of credit-as-... I guess you'd call it a materialized asset Dec 18 10:54:31 and that sells very well Dec 18 10:54:52 it's all paid for by *somebody* and exists as a voucher to be redeemed Dec 18 10:54:53 who here has gotten libraries / dependencies into -devel? Dec 18 10:55:05 lcuk private git -repos? Dec 18 10:55:09 is there a fasttrack for stuff like that? Dec 18 10:55:24 quilt, diffstat, openal Dec 18 10:55:39 pupnik: i've got a library in extras-devel Dec 18 10:55:44 * DocScrutinizer51 hugs his OM-debugboard Dec 18 10:55:47 woglinde, no git repos for half of it Dec 18 10:55:56 lcuk aeh? Dec 18 10:56:04 no one knows how to promote it to extras so it's stuck there Dec 18 10:56:07 you will find a solution Dec 18 10:56:08 it was taken off git at some point Dec 18 10:56:12 indeed Dec 18 10:56:18 im jiggling now Dec 18 10:56:20 ty cosmo_ Dec 18 10:56:27 cosmo_ ask x-fade Dec 18 10:56:30 P.S. does mbarcode work for N900 currently? Any N900 owners used it and able to comment on mbarcode? Dec 18 10:56:33 if he is around Dec 18 10:56:40 maybee he is travelling again Dec 18 10:56:44 ~seen x-fade Dec 18 10:56:46 x-fade is currently on #maemo (6h 53m 50s), last said: 'RST38h: Lunch, bbl.'. Dec 18 10:56:54 lol Dec 18 10:56:59 so my credit card just called me Dec 18 10:57:02 X-Fade: do you know how to promote package from extras-dev to extras? wiki instructions don't work Dec 18 10:57:08 nokes.nokia.com seems unhappy Dec 18 10:57:08 "did you just do a $109 transaction in india" Dec 18 10:57:12 "uhhhh no" Dec 18 10:57:13 siriusnova: o_O Dec 18 10:57:15 :( Dec 18 10:57:20 (although i haven't polled them for a couple of weeks) Dec 18 10:57:25 bad news bears strike siriusnova :( Dec 18 10:57:32 yeah but they blocked it Dec 18 10:57:35 so its good news :) Dec 18 10:57:36 lucent, I'm a N900 owner, but I've never played with mbarcode Dec 18 10:57:38 what's it do? Dec 18 10:57:41 X-Fade: Are you around? Dec 18 10:57:51 mgedmin: supposedly it lets you take a picture of a barcode to decode it Dec 18 10:57:53 wow, that maemo-geolocation extension rocks Dec 18 10:57:53 * lcuk gets in line behind RST38h Dec 18 10:57:57 * lcuk moos quietly Dec 18 10:58:10 * mgedmin is waiting for app manager which is SLOW Dec 18 10:58:11 * RST38h considers milking lcuk but decides against it Dec 18 10:58:34 * mgedmin installs mbarcode Dec 18 10:58:35 tigert: Using Latitude webapp for iPhone? Dec 18 10:58:41 mgedmin: neat concept, huh? Dec 18 10:58:57 what's up with the built in front-facing webcam, all grainy and stuff Dec 18 10:59:04 lucent, cool programming excercise, yes, but what's the point? Dec 18 10:59:39 mgedmin: some kind of buzz concept that's sweeping through advertising, specialty magazines, and some movie promotions Dec 18 10:59:43 RST38h: googlemaps works nicely with maemo-geolocation Dec 18 10:59:53 follows me precisely Dec 18 10:59:56 tigert: hmm...did not work for me Dec 18 10:59:59 interesting Dec 18 11:00:02 a small barcode on literature that you point your cell phone at, scan, and it takes you to bonus content via internets tubes Dec 18 11:00:06 ;) Dec 18 11:00:13 lucent: the frontcam is supposedly missing a better driver Dec 18 11:00:15 tigert: have they got a mobile webapp as well? Dec 18 11:00:16 theres the small locate button in googlemaps Dec 18 11:00:22 DocScrutinizer51: relieved to hear that! Dec 18 11:00:33 this is the real maps.google.com Dec 18 11:00:35 the specs sound a little nicer than what I'm seeing. Dec 18 11:00:51 * RST38h would really like to know why Speccy and Vulture's Eye promoted to Extras yesterday still did not appear in Downloads Dec 18 11:00:52 well, I'm pointing it at a barcode on the side of a box of tissues, mbarcode isn't doing anything (other than updating the image at what feels like 10fps) Dec 18 11:00:53 lucent: exactly Dec 18 11:01:11 Given that X-Fade is unavailable (or so it seems), is there anyone else able to help? Dec 18 11:01:36 mgedmin: worked for me from a Pepsi (yuck) label. Didn't work on a smaller one I found elsewhere. Seems a bit hit-and-miss. Dec 18 11:01:47 mgedmin: ah, about the same as I experienced. I found that the flash lit up momentarily, autofocus stopped working after a second or two, and then nothing Dec 18 11:01:57 lucent: suspicion is the frontcam is completely misconfig'd wrt ASAm(sensitivity) and apperture/exposure time Dec 18 11:01:58 Micha_: what is the procedure? tap to scan? Dec 18 11:02:03 Micha_: is it continuous scan? Dec 18 11:02:16 PaulFertser: are enough kernel source available that one can recompile the kernel and not loose functionality? Dec 18 11:02:23 DocScrutinizer51: thanks! I am interested in that kind of rumor ;) Dec 18 11:02:46 lucent: Yes. Then point at barcode and wait. Seems to work better with the old-fashioned barcodes rather than the newfangled ones. Dec 18 11:02:49 redeeman: i'm sure there're. Because you can't really use anything non-GPL'd directly with the kernel. Dec 18 11:02:56 lucent: just MHO Dec 18 11:03:11 PaulFertser: that hasn't stopped many before from doing it Dec 18 11:03:19 call it an educated guess Dec 18 11:03:42 redeeman: redeeman also http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel/kernel_2.6.28-20093908+0m5.dsc doesn't list anything suspicious. Dec 18 11:03:43 Micha_: flash / autofocus behavior for you? flash on would help a lot, but mine turned off. Did you need flash on? Dec 18 11:03:55 redeeman: those doing that shit should be sued. And it's happening more and more. Dec 18 11:04:13 PaulFertser: yes, i agree Dec 18 11:04:13 lucent: When it worked, it was a well-lit environment. I think it might have briefly used flash. Hangon, lemme find one to play with. Dec 18 11:04:35 PaulFertser: i would very much like to try replace the kernel Dec 18 11:04:35 Ah, the OSS religious conversation again... Dec 18 11:04:42 Dec 18 11:04:46 redeeman: should be trivial Dec 18 11:04:48 RST38h: yes... very religious.. following the license... Dec 18 11:04:59 let's all go to the copyright church Dec 18 11:05:01 Micha_: my boss at the movie theater asks "what is that?" anytime he sees a 2D barcode pattern on the movie posters Dec 18 11:05:03 RST38h: yeah, i see now who's the most interested in trolling. Dec 18 11:05:13 would be so fun to whip out my phone and make it go Dec 18 11:05:27 flash is known to fail on 'macro' picture taking Dec 18 11:05:55 oh Dec 18 11:06:00 can't lock it to on setting? Dec 18 11:06:08 is there navicore or any other sane navigation sw available for n900 yet? Dec 18 11:06:32 lucent: it will make photo over bright Dec 18 11:06:50 for scanning barcodes though... Dec 18 11:06:52 redeeman: have you tried simply downloading from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel/ and building the usual debian way? Or you can use opensuse autobuilder to do that for you i guess. Dec 18 11:07:14 PaulFertser: i don't really know much about debians kernel build system Dec 18 11:07:32 lucent: Ok, seems when you press scan it has about 5 seconds to try to recognise the code, after that it gives up. Dec 18 11:07:46 ah Dec 18 11:07:50 lucent: During those 5 seconds or so it tries to autofocus the camera on the barcode. Dec 18 11:08:11 redeeman: then just unpack the source, apply the patch, "export CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi-; make rx51_defconfig; make bzImage" blabla Dec 18 11:08:17 which fails on low ambient light Dec 18 11:08:45 most of the times Dec 18 11:10:07 Micha_: no luck here, thanks for trying Dec 18 11:10:45 lucent: no worries. *goes back to javadoccing (ew)* Dec 18 11:10:48 redeeman, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Kernel_and_Debugging_Guide/Maemo_Kernel_Guide Dec 18 11:10:53 which is probably not accurate at all Dec 18 11:11:35 oh, wait, it's been updated Dec 18 11:11:38 maybe it's accurate now Dec 18 11:11:41 great Dec 18 11:11:54 * mgedmin ought to try and build iptable_nat.ko again Dec 18 11:11:55 mikhas: ooooh! I got one, finally. Thanks for the advice again Dec 18 11:12:52 you meant Micha_ Dec 18 11:13:42 mikhas: right you are Dec 18 11:16:49 mgedmin: the guide is not finished it seems Dec 18 11:16:55 my N900 lsmod shows lots of modules loaded Dec 18 11:17:01 but they don't appear to be compiling the modules in that guide Dec 18 11:18:45 is bluetooth any faster than EDGE for internet connectivity? Dec 18 11:19:01 much Dec 18 11:19:08 I only get EDGE on my cell provider, wondering if I can tether my phone to my PC when I'm at home Dec 18 11:19:12 EDGE is what, ~250 Kbit/s Dec 18 11:19:16 I don't have a wifi router so... Dec 18 11:19:18 mgedmin: 230 Dec 18 11:19:19 Bluetooth is at least 1 Mbit/s Dec 18 11:19:31 i get more than 100kilobytes/s on bluetooth Dec 18 11:19:41 oh that's nice Dec 18 11:20:07 there are various BT standards, things like "Bluetooth 2.0 Extended Data Rate" Dec 18 11:20:12 I've no clue about those Dec 18 11:20:22 RST38h when did you promote your apps ? I did promote mine yesterday night at around 11:30pm UTC and it appears (Xournal) Dec 18 11:20:24 I've been tethering my 3G phone over bluetooth Dec 18 11:20:42 is what I'm thinking (tether N900 to get N900's internet connection from PC) common? Dec 18 11:20:53 like the reverse of what you'd do for a 3G connection ;) Dec 18 11:20:54 depends ... Dec 18 11:21:05 lucent: most people probably just use wifi Dec 18 11:21:06 the only officially-supported tethering is over the USB cable Dec 18 11:21:06 hi there Valerio Dec 18 11:21:12 ah Dec 18 11:21:14 what is this, a ddos on repositories? Dec 18 11:21:21 there's a package that adds Bluetooth DUN profile support on the N900 Dec 18 11:21:30 I'm sure it works, I just haven't tried it myself yet Dec 18 11:21:38 anidel, hey Dec 18 11:21:43 use PAN instead Dec 18 11:21:44 and I wonder if I can have both devices (N900 and laptop) online while using BT DUN to tether Dec 18 11:22:02 I tried setting up PAN once between by Ubuntu laptop and my N810, failed abysmally Dec 18 11:22:09 you have to be some kind of a wizard to figure out the config Dec 18 11:22:12 Ubuntu PC here Dec 18 11:22:24 admittedly, DUN ain't point-and-click either Dec 18 11:23:31 if you use the USB cable, Network Manager detects the N900 as a USB modem Dec 18 11:23:38 gives you all sorts of nice wizards for operator setup etc. Dec 18 11:23:45 * mgedmin didn't actually try Dec 18 11:24:00 oh, haven't tried either Dec 18 11:24:10 that's kind of fun you heard it does auto-stuff Dec 18 11:24:12 I wanted no cables, and I wanted to have both devices online (AFAIU USB tethering brings the N900 itself offline, and gives its modem entirely to the PC) Dec 18 11:24:22 I figured out a hack with ad-hoc wifi and SOCKS5 proxying Dec 18 11:25:01 * mgedmin tried Network Manager's USB support with real USB modems -- seemed to work, didn't retry aggressively enough, so I went back to pppd Dec 18 11:25:21 crappy cellular access where I was, sometimes it took 30 minutes of constant retrying for the modem to get online Dec 18 11:25:46 offtopic but I wondered how to get Network Manager to connect to a specific connection from commandline in Ubuntu Dec 18 11:25:52 ever hear of that one? Dec 18 11:26:05 is that even possible? ;) Dec 18 11:26:12 some kind of dbus kung fu Dec 18 11:26:16 I would hope so Dec 18 11:26:40 IIRC I saw a command-line tool for controlling n-m once, in Google, but it wasn't packaged for Ubuntu Dec 18 11:26:55 okay will look again Dec 18 11:27:27 when there's no WPA, I can iwconfig/ifconfig/dhclient it up manually Dec 18 11:27:55 when there's WPA, I curse wpa_supplicant a lot and usually not even try Dec 18 11:28:07 had it configured a long time ago, could probably do it again, have no wish to try Dec 18 11:29:18 sort of on topic, the first "mobile device" I tried with a Linux kernel was Sharp Zaurus C3000 Dec 18 11:29:36 wpa_supplicant from the commandline to get it going there Dec 18 11:29:59 can you specify the PSK on the command line? IIRC you always need to write a config file Dec 18 11:30:46 mgedmin: you can do it from a pipe and there's a way to do it from a script by controlling the stdin/out Dec 18 11:30:56 not first order of easy though Dec 18 11:31:13 and you're usually not in a position to look it up on google ;) Dec 18 11:31:19 there's an interactive mode too where you can specify the settings but it's wholly undocumented Dec 18 11:31:33 ha! been there on that one enough times to agree Dec 18 11:32:32 mgedmin: OMWeather versus Foreca... your opinion? Dec 18 11:32:41 too many choices Dec 18 11:32:49 so -> neither Dec 18 11:32:57 I've tried omweather a long time ago, on a n800 Dec 18 11:33:03 it memleaked or something, didn't leave a good opinion Dec 18 11:33:07 oh okay nothing obvious to avoid Foreca Dec 18 11:33:27 I rather like it but I've heard ya-ya-ya go get OMWeather killer app omg Dec 18 11:33:48 don't need 8 or 9 different theme and font choices Dec 18 11:34:00 sounds consistent with what you're saying about an older version of it Dec 18 11:34:54 it's probably unfair to hold past bugs against it Dec 18 11:35:16 few apps reduce the number of options after their first and second releases Dec 18 11:35:34 I can think of gaim/Pidgin which did simplify their options Dec 18 11:35:44 I'm hard pressed to think of any other Dec 18 11:35:48 wait, "too many choices" was supposed to mean "two weather applets are one applet too much" Dec 18 11:35:55 not that any one of them has too many settings Dec 18 11:36:03 oh? didn't understand you then Dec 18 11:36:12 I installed neither because I can't decide which one to try out Dec 18 11:36:26 ah okay Dec 18 11:36:46 any way to get a pointer in the web browser so I can hover over? Dec 18 11:36:51 yes Dec 18 11:36:59 swipe from the left, near the bottom of the screen Dec 18 11:37:16 there are youtube videos that demo the brouser gestures Dec 18 11:37:26 and there's a user manual on the device Dec 18 11:37:40 thanks, I've seen them, I just got confused because when I tried it didn't work the first and second times Dec 18 11:37:40 there are three pointer modes, I don't quite understand them myself Dec 18 11:37:54 one of them is for hovering, one of them is for clicking Dec 18 11:38:01 the third one (normal) is for scrolling Dec 18 11:38:30 tapping the icon that appears when you swipe switches between the modes somehow Dec 18 11:38:41 I've run into things like scroll box within a frame within a scrolling page within another frame Dec 18 11:38:50 and it got real confusing how to get anywhere in that document Dec 18 11:38:56 besides, the N900 browser is not xkcd-compliant: tooltips are truncated :( Dec 18 11:39:17 for shame! no host usb nor xkcd ALT tags Dec 18 11:39:31 nor Ovi store Dec 18 11:39:43 I still love the bloody device Dec 18 11:39:44 * mgedmin wants a compass and a temperature sensor Dec 18 11:40:09 compass uses a lot of power IIRC Dec 18 11:40:34 anybody with a clue how to get numptyphysics for N810? Dec 18 11:41:26 ha okay so what I did wrong was to swipe from inside the visible portion of the screen, which naturally doesn't work? Dec 18 11:41:39 got it now by going from offscreen to onscreen Dec 18 11:42:35 DocScrutinizer51, isn't it in extras? Dec 18 11:43:59 mgedmin: I thought it used to be. Had it some months ago. But now itMs vanished for umknown reasons from my N810 and from appman as well Dec 18 11:44:49 maybe the extras repo got temporarily wedged again Dec 18 11:45:02 swc|666, http://ffejery.wordpress.com/2009/12/18/custom-alerts-on-a-bluetooth-enabled-bracelet/ Dec 18 11:45:04 the one-click install on garage says "file not found" Dec 18 11:45:06 and goodnight, all Dec 18 11:45:17 * swc|666 looks.. Dec 18 11:45:18 Anyone responsible for managing Extras here? Dec 18 11:45:23 9te jaem Dec 18 11:45:34 rst ~seen x-fade Dec 18 11:45:41 RST38h, not me, but what do you need ? Dec 18 11:45:52 woglinde: yea, except that I haven't seen X-Fade in two days Dec 18 11:45:53 vdvsx where is x-fade? Dec 18 11:46:05 woglinde, lol. dunno Dec 18 11:46:10 MIA perhaps Dec 18 11:46:11 he's probably stuck in some snow Dec 18 11:46:13 rst maybee I should write a file Dec 18 11:46:14 VDVsx: Vulture's Eye and Speccy got promoted into Extras yesterday but they have not got pages and do not appear in downloads Dec 18 11:46:29 VDVsx you dont have a team calendar or something? Dec 18 11:46:38 woglinde, humm ? Dec 18 11:46:52 woglinde, I'm not his boss Dec 18 11:47:41 only boss can see team calendar? Dec 18 11:48:22 RST38h, that's strange, since there's a some new apps there, promote around the same times Dec 18 11:48:33 http://maemo.org/packages/view/n900fly/ Dec 18 11:48:36 this is a brilliant app Dec 18 11:48:41 now who dares try it? :) Dec 18 11:49:04 woglinde, well perhaps we need one for the maemo.org stuff, available for the entire community :) Dec 18 11:49:11 dnaumov: when I'm snowboarding? :P Dec 18 11:49:13 woglinde, you can suggest that ;) Dec 18 11:49:19 VDVsx hehe Dec 18 11:49:26 I thought it was a funny app to suggest throwing the phone into the air Dec 18 11:49:43 vdvxs hm do you know how can maintain it too? Dec 18 11:49:58 seems we need a backup for x-fade Dec 18 11:50:11 woglinde, true, we need a lot of things :( Dec 18 11:50:58 lucent: Maybe something like "VoidYourWarranty" might have been a better name? Dec 18 11:51:25 droptest? Dec 18 11:52:23 installs bootscreen "I survived a drop from yi feet to concrtee" Dec 18 11:52:39 you can safely use it on a trampoline Dec 18 11:53:17 s/yi/8/ Dec 18 11:53:18 DocScrutinizer51 meant: installs bootscreen "I survived a drop from 8 feet to concrtee" Dec 18 11:53:21 next thing, there will be an app to measure how deep underwater have you succesfully dived with your phone submerged in water Dec 18 11:53:42 anybody have openal built for armel ... Dec 18 11:54:40 I think that's an app for trasseurs Dec 18 11:56:04 pupnik, I think I built that once, but never used it (other deps missing), not sure if I submitted it to the repos, probably not Dec 18 11:58:50 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=433242#post433242 <-- anyone have any ideas? Dec 18 12:01:48 * DocScrutinizer51 suggests N900 starts a terribl screaming as soon as accelmeter detects free fall ;-P Dec 18 12:02:46 and a "OUFF" when 0G ends Dec 18 12:03:10 VDVsx: i did too, long ago :) now it's dying cause cmake is kaputt in scratchbox Dec 18 12:03:14 Hm, my N900 stopped responding to touch Dec 18 12:03:18 ssh works fine, still Dec 18 12:03:31 i am gonna srsly post any hard deps to a t.m.o attachment Dec 18 12:03:36 Is there anything I can restart via CLI to give it a kick? Dec 18 12:03:50 ow Dec 18 12:03:54 (I don't want to reboot right now, since it's in the middle of downloading stuff from my desktop) Dec 18 12:04:08 maybe give it a minute Dec 18 12:04:16 I gave it five already... Dec 18 12:04:35 I first thought it was the phone app, but after killing it via ssh, it seems like it just doesn't respond to touch Dec 18 12:04:50 (Actually opening the keyboard did change the orientation of the phone too) Dec 18 12:05:09 Hukka: low on mem? Dec 18 12:05:38 or CPU maxxed out? Dec 18 12:05:49 ruskie: i haven't seen that Dec 18 12:05:58 DocScrutinizer51: Neither Dec 18 12:06:10 DocScrutinizer51: Like I said, via ssh everything is fine Dec 18 12:06:27 hmm Dec 18 12:06:38 And status dock is updating (show loading battery, for example) Dec 18 12:06:54 And I just got a new mail notification Dec 18 12:08:00 Hukka: pointe device is fairly lowlevel. No idea how to retsrat it on any *nix platform Dec 18 12:09:47 VDVsx: As I have been saying, things are majorly broken Dec 18 12:10:02 VDVsx: It is not only the voting UI that is broken now, but the promotion mechanisms as well Dec 18 12:10:23 RST38h, eheh, I've to agree Dec 18 12:10:43 VDVsx: As a council member, maybe you can somehow influence the payrolled guys to get their stuff together? Dec 18 12:11:19 RST38h, I already pushed that, but they've other priorities atm :( Dec 18 12:11:24 VDVsx: because whatever mysterious things they are doing there, it looks worse and worse to contributors Dec 18 12:11:49 VDVsx: Isn't making things work for contributors to the repos their main goal? Dec 18 12:11:51 Hukka: I had a situation that looked like lockup when a requester opened *behind* another screen. Hitting "enter" key on hw kbd got me out of it Dec 18 12:12:41 RST38h, I even suggested to ask some more help from nokia, but I got a 'no need', that's just a phase, let see :( Dec 18 12:12:59 VDVsx: I would like to ask for some transparency instead Dec 18 12:13:31 RST38h, well they're working in the new server, that's not secret Dec 18 12:13:38 *servers Dec 18 12:15:35 Hukka, does it respond to the keyboard? Dec 18 12:15:36 VDVsx: Well, "new server" is a piece of hardware where you install LInux, some packages, migrate your code, and make sure it works Dec 18 12:16:16 VDVsx: Maybe I am missing something, but it has always been a simple job a bunch of IT guys could do for you Dec 18 12:16:57 VDVsx: So, I am somewhat surprised that they are all doing it around the clock for days Dec 18 12:17:04 RST38h, afaik, some people of maemo.org team are those IT guys Dec 18 12:17:11 RST38h, me too Dec 18 12:17:16 * RST38h sighs heavily Dec 18 12:17:19 mgedmin: Hard to say, since I'm at the desktop Dec 18 12:17:28 No, wait, I can type for contacts Dec 18 12:17:43 Doesn't work Dec 18 12:17:47 So I guess it doesn't Dec 18 12:18:27 VDVsx: it can take more time, depending on whether they're trying to add some extra stuff to the new setup (which obviously requires extra testing and benchmarking and whatnot that could take more time), but yeah.. it would be nice to have more transparency to it Dec 18 12:18:41 RST38h, those days, for any problem/complain I've got "hey, lets wait for the new servers" Dec 18 12:19:42 RST38h, w00t , about the transparency, you guys should complain about that in the ML or talk Dec 18 12:20:01 * w00t nods Dec 18 12:20:07 but please note that there's a log for this things already Dec 18 12:20:19 short logs, but still Dec 18 12:20:58 hi all, anyone know why I can't install imagemagick on scratchbox? Dec 18 12:35:32 RST38h: We do not have complete control of the servers - some of them are still under control of the ISP. Dec 18 12:35:49 There is significantly more work than you describe Dec 18 12:35:59 So please, have just a little patience Dec 18 12:36:28 I mean, Nokia is providing this to you for free, so a little gratitude wouldn't hurt. Dec 18 12:37:50 Hi jeremiah_ Dec 18 12:38:39 X-Fade, Ping? Dec 18 12:44:09 hi, I just got my brand new N900 ;-) Dec 18 12:44:44 congrats :) Dec 18 12:45:02 Stskeeps: did you see my splash screen package? Dec 18 12:45:07 btw: Does anyone know why Nokia is transfering all email credentials including passwords to _their_ servers when I am setting up email for my corporate server? Dec 18 12:45:36 MortimeR_: are you reading the dialogs Dec 18 12:45:41 or are you asking about something else Dec 18 12:46:04 MortimeR_: nokia wants to take over the world and know of your penis extension emails before -you- see them, obviously Dec 18 12:46:05 time: I am reading the dialogs and the manual Dec 18 12:46:10 MortimeR_: so... Dec 18 12:46:19 roughly, the dialogs are in the place they are because of lawyers Dec 18 12:46:24 and to "simplify" things Dec 18 12:46:34 if you choose to use Nokia Messaging services Dec 18 12:46:35 * SpeedEvil quotes Shakespear. Dec 18 12:46:44 MortimeR_: if you're using nokia messaging, to do push email, it will have to have the passwords Dec 18 12:46:48 which is entirely optional Dec 18 12:46:52 it's a technological impossibility without Dec 18 12:46:54 then nokia is your mail gateway Dec 18 12:46:58 and thus needs your credentials Dec 18 12:47:03 time: I lack to understand. Why are lawyers asking me for my password? Dec 18 12:47:17 if you choose not to use nokia messaging, then the credentials will not be sent to nokia messaging Dec 18 12:47:27 and if they aren't sent to nokia messaging, they aren't sent to nokia Dec 18 12:47:30 _DEEPLY_ stupid dialogs. Dec 18 12:47:35 Stsk: I simply want to do plain IMAP4 not Nokias services Dec 18 12:47:37 (well, unless you enable the crash reporter, which has another lawyer dialog) Dec 18 12:47:40 MortimeR_: then use that Dec 18 12:47:54 MortimeR_: again, the placement was because the lawyers and friends insisted Dec 18 12:48:00 MortimeR_, lucky you :) In France and most of Europe it seems near impossible to buy one Dec 18 12:48:02 not because it's the best place for it Dec 18 12:48:07 From a buisness perspective - as this sort of shit ifsoumeone reads it can cause organisations not to actually do it. Dec 18 12:48:10 time: This means that the text is missleading?! Dec 18 12:48:10 MortimeR_, where did you buy it? Dec 18 12:48:28 guerby: Nokia online shop Dec 18 12:48:38 MortimeR_: roughly speaking it's misplaced Dec 18 12:48:43 the text isn't ideal Dec 18 12:48:46 nokia onine shop here too. uk. Dec 18 12:48:47 MortimeR_, thx! how long did it take for it to be delivered? Dec 18 12:48:49 i can't remember if my localization fixed it Dec 18 12:48:51 Came oct 30. Dec 18 12:48:54 err nov 30 Dec 18 12:49:28 timeless_mbp: Did I understand correctly that in the case of plain POP§ and plain IMAP4 without Nokias push services no credentials are transmitted to Nokia?! Dec 18 12:49:39 MortimeR_: i can't imagine that being true. Dec 18 12:49:46 by mail, correct Dec 18 12:49:58 we can't make blanket statements Dec 18 12:50:01 if you install crash reporter Dec 18 12:50:03 and you crash Dec 18 12:50:12 and you accept the disclaimer provided by the crash reporter Dec 18 12:50:13 guerby: The promissed 5 days but it took 8 business days. Though I am happy about the device. It is very slick even though the phone part crashed once on me. Dec 18 12:50:23 then your crash report, which could include credentials could be sent to nokia Dec 18 12:50:30 but that's an unrelated package Dec 18 12:50:47 "Nokia Messaging is a subscription service that automatically forwards your e-" Dec 18 12:50:48 "mail to your inbox. You can sign up now for no extra fee." Dec 18 12:50:53 MortimeR_, ok thanks again. In France no store with less than 3-5 weeks right now... Dec 18 12:51:15 I wonder if there's an official statement somewwhere by Nokia Dec 18 12:51:22 guerby: IIRC you can also use the Nokia Online Shop from France. (At least Belgium works) Dec 18 12:51:25 guerby: about what? Dec 18 12:51:41 the number of units available initially was low because they underestimated demand Dec 18 12:51:43 timeless_mbp, complete lack of availability in resellers :) Dec 18 12:51:58 it's a bad idea to manufacture millions of units without being certain they'll sell Dec 18 12:52:03 timeless_mbp: does the crash reporter send the data automatically or does it ask for confirmation every time (like windows does) Dec 18 12:52:06 timeless_mbp, if it's not due to hardware issues, that's good news for Nokia after all :) Dec 18 12:52:07 doing that is a good way to bankrupt a company Dec 18 12:52:32 MortimeR_: you get a one time warning that you have to accept, and then you have to actively choose to send crashes Dec 18 12:52:32 not unless you order a hundred million :) Dec 18 12:52:35 (for nokia) Dec 18 12:52:41 but not necessarily one dialog per crash Dec 18 12:52:44 timeless: what is a crash? Dec 18 12:52:45 timeless_mbp: this is imho great Dec 18 12:52:52 if you get 10 crashes and it hasn't managed to send reports Dec 18 12:53:00 then the next time it boots, you'll get one chance for the set of 10 Dec 18 12:53:16 this is iirc actually fairly close to how windows works in fact Dec 18 12:53:21 but not precisely what you wrote Dec 18 12:53:35 * timeless_mbp is not a lawyer but doesn't want anyone to misinterpret anything Dec 18 12:53:44 timeless_mbp: I saw N900 at the Nokia Qt developer days in Munich. Did the UI change in the meantime. Dec 18 12:53:53 * timeless_mbp shrugs Dec 18 12:54:00 when was that? Dec 18 12:54:06 but "probably not" Dec 18 12:54:33 maemo5 will have small incremental improvements to some applications as time progresses Dec 18 12:54:43 but the platform hasn't had major changes for a couple of months Dec 18 12:54:43 This was from 12th to 14th of October Dec 18 12:55:07 and shouldn't have any major changes (beyond apps adding portrait mode) after the final sdk and original sales product releases Dec 18 12:55:16 fine. I only hat the impression that some ui effects vanished Dec 18 12:55:35 * timeless_mbp shrugs Dec 18 12:55:41 minor changes can happen :) Dec 18 12:55:48 timeless_mbp: ;-) Dec 18 12:57:16 timeless_mbp: btw I really like the mail application. The presentation of mails is just beautyfull Dec 18 12:57:26 anyway, i'm gone Dec 18 12:57:55 the only thing I am missing seems to be that I am unable to delete spam before showing the full message (e.g. judging from sender or subject) Dec 18 13:12:48 [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/gemrb/openal] > fakeroot apt-get update Dec 18 13:12:50 0% [Connecting to nokes.nokia.com (208.69.34.132)] Dec 18 13:12:55 ..nokes? Dec 18 13:12:56 :P Dec 18 13:13:23 i am so wasting my time Dec 18 13:13:40 right. something productive. something else... Dec 18 13:15:18 pupnik: which rootstrap did you install? Dec 18 13:16:14 GAN900, Ping? Dec 18 13:16:20 GAN900, I have a surprise for you Dec 18 13:20:03 uargh. http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm is kinda unreachable for me Dec 18 13:20:29 yeah.. :P Dec 18 13:20:41 * Stskeeps is just waiting for server move until participating more in brainstorm Dec 18 13:24:27 pupnik: echo $http_proxy Dec 18 13:27:12 sorry folks, this is maemo vmware image (latest) Dec 18 13:27:44 $http_proxy is " " Dec 18 13:31:44 pupnik: Do you have proxy defined in /etc/apt/apt.conf ? Dec 18 13:33:27 no Dec 18 13:33:54 jpjokela: i can wget directly, no proxy needed Dec 18 13:34:40 Just wondering where did it come from in the first place Dec 18 13:35:33 * pupnik has a new motto: "I don't do dependencies" Dec 18 13:36:06 bored :/ Dec 18 13:45:40 RST38h: ping? Dec 18 13:45:59 pong Dec 18 13:46:46 you aren't really supposed to pong other people's pings Dec 18 13:46:46 :P Dec 18 13:46:53 :> Dec 18 13:47:10 That ping belongs to RST38h Dec 18 13:47:23 Hello there... I need some funny help. Anyone there already fooled around with the mce dbus interface to trigger the vibrating device? I was just playing with it and I tried the "PatternIncomingCall" out of the blue Dec 18 13:47:34 I dunno where is the list of all available patterns Dec 18 13:47:45 what happens is that now my cell vibrates nonstop Dec 18 13:47:56 wife will love you Dec 18 13:47:57 :P Dec 18 13:48:04 yeah.. Dec 18 13:48:07 Ok.. Dec 18 13:48:38 I sent req.req_vibrator_disable Dec 18 13:48:54 and it stopped.. but if I turn it on.. the pattern is still there Dec 18 13:49:02 can someone verify that /usr/bin/mc-tool is pre-installed on the n900 Dec 18 13:50:16 kwek: Not installed on my n900 Dec 18 13:50:17 kwek: nope.. Dec 18 13:50:19 Miracle! Miracle! Dec 18 13:50:23 ok tnx Dec 18 13:50:34 MasterGear 2.6.5-1 is being promoted to Extras! Dec 18 13:51:32 Hey RST38h Dec 18 13:51:55 More details on the nonstop-vibrating-n900: when I send request.req_vibrator_disable and then request.req_vibrator_enable, the vibration is stopped until I touch anything.. Dec 18 13:52:03 than it's vibrating nonstop again Dec 18 13:52:52 cpscotti, speak to anne summers, she might be interested Dec 18 13:53:17 well.. we can turn this into an app Dec 18 13:53:24 uaehuaehae Dec 18 13:53:30 but it won´t stop! Dec 18 13:53:38 N900: Never letting you down Dec 18 13:53:39 :P Dec 18 13:53:54 we could say it's like a virus.. Dec 18 13:54:02 haha Dec 18 13:54:20 cpscotti: have you "vibrate on screnn touch" enabled in settings input? Dec 18 13:55:02 yup Dec 18 13:55:15 but it vibrates like when there is an incomming call Dec 18 13:55:23 and after first touch.. it never stops... Dec 18 13:55:45 re Dec 18 13:56:14 fiferboy: ? Dec 18 13:56:18 hrw: wb Dec 18 13:56:29 (I deactivated it now.. and now I don´t need to touch the screen (after disable-enable) to start everything again.. Dec 18 13:56:47 RST38h: I think the problem with HAM might not be that it doesn't want to upgrade a user/* app to a non-user app Dec 18 13:56:47 cpscotti: I just wonder if it won't trigger vibration if you disable 'settings screen touchscreen-vibrate' Dec 18 13:57:04 RST38h: With the _5 to _7 problem, maybe it doesn't update non-user at all Dec 18 13:57:08 DocScrutinizer51: nope.. Dec 18 13:57:30 its like this.. when I send the disable and then the enable signals Dec 18 13:57:35 RST38h: But maybe if you had fbreader*_7 depend on the specific version of libzlibrary it would pull it... Dec 18 13:57:35 HAM sources are online... Dec 18 13:57:43 it won't resume vibration Dec 18 13:58:26 unless I touch the screen Dec 18 13:58:34 but then I unchecked the setting>screen>touchscreen vib Dec 18 13:58:38 sometimes when i type on keyboard, contacts-app comes up. known bug? Dec 18 13:58:55 and it resumes automatically when the enable signal is sent Dec 18 13:59:35 osso-bin-addressbook Dec 18 14:00:50 cpscotti: strange. sounds like a driver flipped a bit or sth. Rebooted? Dec 18 14:03:49 DocScrutinizer51: well.. I'm pretty sure rebooting will solve the prob Dec 18 14:04:13 DocScrutinizer51: but isn't this the predicted behavior? Dec 18 14:04:33 (continue vibrating until receive X signal..) Dec 18 14:04:43 and then.. I just need to know what is "X" signal Dec 18 14:04:58 (rebooting now..) Dec 18 14:04:59 cpscotti: just a couple of hours ago there was a report about touchscreen completely unresponsive. If I had to bet I'd say the input driver program text occasionally gets distroyed' probably by a wrong pointer or buffer overflow or sth Dec 18 14:05:13 hmmmm Dec 18 14:06:03 I'll try again in some seconds Dec 18 14:06:33 Windows NT running on N900 ;) Dec 18 14:06:38 http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/categories/1-Maemo Dec 18 14:09:34 Rebooted.. Dec 18 14:10:28 oh.. Dec 18 14:10:49 pupnik: damn. thought that's a hoax :-D Dec 18 14:10:56 new n900 on a way Dec 18 14:11:22 just got the solution: sending request.req_vibrator_pattern_deactivate string:"PatternIncomingCall" Dec 18 14:11:55 cpscotti: lol Dec 18 14:13:13 cpscotti: so now you are *the* expert to tell me which cmdline I need to make vibr kick shortly. Like on new msg Dec 18 14:13:24 yeep! Dec 18 14:13:49 ~# dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_pattern_activate string:'PatternTouchscreen' Dec 18 14:14:22 would love to tweak xchat to not only beep but also vibrate on selected events Dec 18 14:14:37 =] Dec 18 14:14:50 ~# dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_pattern_activate string:'PatternChatAndEmail' is a little bit longer Dec 18 14:14:52 cpscotti: that's too long Dec 18 14:15:06 muhaha Dec 18 14:15:15 PatternTouchscreen ? Dec 18 14:15:20 or my cmd lines? Dec 18 14:16:13 cpscotti: forget that lousy bot Dec 18 14:16:36 as qwerty12 pointed on talk.maemo right now, there is a list of available patterns in "/etc/mce/mce.in" Dec 18 14:16:43 ahhh.. haha Dec 18 14:16:46 lol! Dec 18 14:17:08 cpscotti: how to find out about available patterns Dec 18 14:17:11 aah Dec 18 14:17:15 rad, cool, thx cpscotti Dec 18 14:17:18 nm Dec 18 14:17:28 yup! ur welcm Dec 18 14:17:33 check: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=433355#post433355 also Dec 18 14:17:40 jebba: yes. for you :-D Dec 18 14:17:41 (I took this from there) Dec 18 14:18:23 but it's good to remember... IncomingCall only stops with deactivate Dec 18 14:18:24 ok.. Dec 18 14:18:27 I have to leave Dec 18 14:18:30 c ya Dec 18 14:20:45 LondonABC.co.uk is your exclusive guide to all that London has to offer. Dec 18 14:20:47 Whether you are looking for London Sightseeing Tour, London Eye, London Underground, Theatre Tickets, Nightlife, Hotels in London, London restaurants or even Shopping locations - LondonABC.co.uk is your one-stop guide to all that makes London a great city. Dec 18 14:20:48 Hmh, moving files via usb is slow as hell Dec 18 14:21:06 how to remove conversation when its not removed by hand... got sms conv to number which is empty.. Dec 18 14:21:09 I guess I should try over wlan and see if the problem is the USB or the flash inside N900 Dec 18 14:21:22 hmm. Dec 18 14:22:09 mhh Dec 18 14:22:11 irc spammers Dec 18 14:22:20 i thought i'd never seee them again Dec 18 14:22:27 but after 3 years, finally =) Dec 18 14:22:32 welcome back old friends xD Dec 18 14:22:52 naxxatoe: huh? Dec 18 14:24:23 Did anyone manage to connect to a hidden wireless network using n900? Dec 18 14:24:40 can anyone help on my issue Dec 18 14:25:01 got conversation which isnt removable Dec 18 14:25:54 flash the eMMC Dec 18 14:25:57 j/k Dec 18 14:26:11 janin: yes Dec 18 14:26:24 did you do anything special? Dec 18 14:26:53 janin: not really. typed in the SSID and the key. Dec 18 14:26:55 Everything in extras needs a place to have bugs reported right Dec 18 14:27:15 janin: it wasn't mine but friend's AP so I've only used it once Dec 18 14:27:44 hm, where can you type in an essid? Dec 18 14:27:52 i tried to add it manually to connections Dec 18 14:27:56 but it won't work Dec 18 14:31:17 jeremiah_, X-Fade (unsure who of you to ask here): seeing https://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/maemo-periodic/1.3-4/ , can someone remove that package from the -testing repo, please? it's been superseded by copernicus and there's still people voting for it :-( Dec 18 14:32:17 anyone know how to remove conversation history entry if its stucked :) tested even reboot.. no help Dec 18 14:33:37 ifreq, what is "stucked"? what did you try before? Dec 18 14:33:56 wondering if my boot problems can be solved by editing the /sbin/preinit script Dec 18 14:34:25 tried the other work arounds, to no avail Dec 18 14:34:34 andre. i cannot delete one emptry conversation Dec 18 14:34:46 ifreq, and the steps you have tried? Dec 18 14:34:52 tried to remove it/all/rboot\make contact metc Dec 18 14:35:12 cant see more options instead cmd line Dec 18 14:35:16 can anyone tell me if imagemagick is in the maemo repos? Dec 18 14:35:41 ifreq, *exact* steps. how i can try to reproduce your issue? Dec 18 14:35:48 pdrummond: I dont see it. Dec 18 14:35:53 i think u cant Dec 18 14:36:19 jebba: it should be there shouldn't it? Dec 18 14:36:26 i have emptry conversation whis looks like not answered phonecall.. atleast the logo is red arrow Dec 18 14:36:45 it even should not be on conv window or history Dec 18 14:36:57 but there it is and wont remove Dec 18 14:37:37 i also filled empty history by sending sms to that number ..removedd..but it wont go away Dec 18 14:37:48 how do I add a new product to bugzilla? Dec 18 14:38:01 AndrewFBlack, http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products Dec 18 14:38:14 ifreq, I have seen one posting about the same issue on talk.maemo.org before I think Dec 18 14:40:49 okay pm me if you find itpleae Dec 18 14:41:10 its not fatal prob just annoying Dec 18 14:42:10 I don't understand - zbar depends on imagemagick and it's available! Dec 18 14:42:18 on maemo that is... Dec 18 14:43:28 ifreq, you are also free to search for that posting yourself Dec 18 14:43:29 pdrummond: well, maybe it "should" but it aint Dec 18 14:47:42 jebba: Thanks! I will keep digging... Dec 18 14:48:01 andre. i would yes. tho im at bar and will not do intensive search on my n900 now Dec 18 14:48:10 ill check it later at home Dec 18 14:48:22 Hmh, I have a huge amount of messages in dmesg similar to: [1996741.753484] FAT: Directory bread(block 7165) failed Dec 18 14:48:53 Google doesn't find anything relevant to N900 with that, does everybody else use the mass storage mode without any problems? Dec 18 14:48:55 bad microsd? Dec 18 14:49:02 Internal flash Dec 18 14:49:14 And files do move, but just very very slowly Dec 18 14:49:17 what is broken in maemoVmware image? Dec 18 14:49:18 [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > fakeroot apt-cache search gpodder Dec 18 14:49:18 W: Couldn't stat source package list http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_fremantle_sdk_free_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) Dec 18 14:49:58 lets please fix Dec 18 14:50:40 what about 'fakeroot apt-get update'? Dec 18 14:50:43 * pupnik is burning comp-sci books for heat Dec 18 14:50:46 just install ubuntu vmdk and then work that Dec 18 14:51:13 Stskeeps: this is the latest maemo VM Dec 18 14:51:26 yeah, which isn't always good Dec 18 14:51:27 :P Dec 18 14:51:28 hrw, that times out Dec 18 14:51:35 okay andre got it fixed :) Dec 18 14:51:41 seems tobe a bug Dec 18 14:52:04 * pupnik is burning Informix books for heat Dec 18 14:52:52 pupnik: and you have working resolving names? Dec 18 14:52:57 "ping google.pl" works? Dec 18 14:53:25 yes, wget maemo.org works Dec 18 14:53:27 there's no ping Dec 18 14:53:33 hrw Dec 18 14:53:52 sbox crapp... Dec 18 14:54:08 yeah, not a big deal, i can wget .debs Dec 18 14:58:47 * fnordianslip runs folding@home on his ps3 to warm up the house after heating boiler broke Dec 18 14:58:58 haha Dec 18 14:59:36 its a poor effort i know. i already have the tumble-dryer on Dec 18 15:00:51 i know, i'll leave my n900 charger plugged in. that should warm up the house :) Dec 18 15:01:21 use xbox! Dec 18 15:01:49 i would but mine broke. i could bring my quad core box downstairs and keep building kernels Dec 18 15:02:19 fnordianslip: what's your temperature? here it's "only" -11°C Dec 18 15:03:01 +1 degs C here and snow outside Dec 18 15:03:18 andre__: where are you? Finland? Dec 18 15:03:48 fnordianslip, hehe, no, central europe. helsinki/finland is -19°C today :-P Dec 18 15:03:51 Finland Helsinki -18C .. Dec 18 15:03:57 eek Dec 18 15:04:03 andre in russia was -30 so what Dec 18 15:04:29 typical that boiler breaks as soon as the cold spell comes Dec 18 15:04:38 fnordianslip: Well of course Dec 18 15:04:49 It makes sense that hardware fails under load Dec 18 15:05:07 true. at leat i can use my n900 as a hand warmer Dec 18 15:06:26 * fnordianslip thinks about a 'hand warmer" app for Maemo5 Dec 18 15:06:35 fnordianslip: Q3 Dec 18 15:06:48 perhaps Dec 18 15:07:21 fnordianslip: R&D mode and wifi powersave mode disabled does that for me Dec 18 15:07:43 Stskeeps: good one Dec 18 15:09:01 ifreq: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36181 and http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=389968&postcount=126 - cannot see a report in bugs.maemo.org, willing to file one maybe and also refer to these postings? Dec 18 15:10:37 man the n900 battery life sucks on 3g Dec 18 15:10:39 :/ Dec 18 15:13:38 siriusnov: it does not :P Dec 18 15:13:42 last for over a day Dec 18 15:13:42 http://pastebin.com/f227e559a works like a charm for xchat Dec 18 15:13:55 the iPhone has taken over 46.1 percent of the Japanese smartphone market Dec 18 15:14:05 wtf Dec 18 15:14:10 dunno Dec 18 15:14:24 RST38h: that can't be true Dec 18 15:14:38 what is the ".bashrc" equivalent? where can i store my aliases etc Dec 18 15:14:43 does the iPhone even support CJK ? Dec 18 15:15:03 .pofile? Dec 18 15:15:17 http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/12/500x_smartphone01.jpg Dec 18 15:22:11 offhand, anyone know if F14 or F15 are used anywhere? Like the camera button or something isnt mapped to an F key or anyhting is it? Dec 18 15:23:48 jebba: if you like to copy the xchat config at http://pastebin.com/f227e559a' you're welcome Dec 18 15:24:53 heh cool Dec 18 15:24:56 will take a look Dec 18 15:27:37 how do you move your package from devel to testing? Dec 18 15:28:48 AndrewFBlack: promote it Dec 18 15:28:59 cpscotti_, yeah i know that how do I promote it Dec 18 15:28:59 on its page at garage Dec 18 15:29:03 AndrewFBlack: promoting, but no-one can currently tell how Dec 18 15:29:05 ok Dec 18 15:29:28 looked at its garage and don´t see a way to do it Dec 18 15:29:38 u can go 2 ur package page at garage right? Dec 18 15:30:03 there, u'll see a listing of builds Dec 18 15:30:07 Is there a way to see how often your packaged files have been downloaded through the repository? Dec 18 15:30:35 cpscotti_, yeah I see the builds Dec 18 15:30:36 Ie, not from the 'Files' section of the garage package page. Dec 18 15:30:42 ubuntu has popcon ... but generally there's no way to know Dec 18 15:31:05 Andrew: click on ur last armel build Dec 18 15:32:28 cpscotti_, ok I figured it was there but Garage was timing out on me again about time I tried there lol Dec 18 15:32:39 ehehehehe Dec 18 15:32:56 yeah.. it takes years... Dec 18 15:33:06 everything relating garage... Dec 18 15:34:05 yeah I hate to say it I miss the old Diablo days when everything worked Dec 18 15:35:59 maemo.org is still horribly slow Dec 18 15:36:26 cpscotti_: hey thanks, i found the promote button! Dec 18 15:36:55 :) Dec 18 15:37:38 but its like they know its bad... probably its getting better in a week or two Dec 18 15:47:19 morning everyone. Dec 18 15:48:15 * pupnik_ boggles at all the devices seen in alsamixer Dec 18 15:50:27 I see only two. Dec 18 15:50:36 The freerunner had about 96. Dec 18 15:51:38 yeah, i got my package promoted. now everybody go vote for ppcards :) Dec 18 15:54:51 SpeedEvil: i installed alsa-utils and pulse utils from sdk Dec 18 15:55:17 everything is exposed to alsa Dec 18 15:55:39 alsamixer -c 0 Dec 18 15:56:04 otherwise you see the dummy alsa frontend provided by pulse Dec 18 15:57:11 any portuguese folks with a N900 around that could comment on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7112 ? Dec 18 15:57:13 Bug 7112: Enter Pin screen has two buttons that lead to confusion Dec 18 15:58:24 wondering the best way to get support for audio formats such as AAC etc. in Maemo. We tried installing the gst-bad plugins with faad but the relevant faad elements were missing when doing a gst-inspect. Dec 18 16:00:53 Here's a good tip for adding pgup/pgdn to the arrow keys: http://blogs.igalia.com/berto/2009/12/17/remapping-the-n900-arrow-keys/ Dec 18 16:01:14 Leaves more room for the xterm tip mentioned yesterday :) Dec 18 16:10:54 PING 1261152653 811405 Dec 18 16:16:55 dneary, pong? Dec 18 16:17:40 GAN900, I have a surprise for you Dec 18 16:18:42 dneary, I can only imagine. Dec 18 16:19:09 GAN900, Can you try editing the "Contributing to the wiki" page for me, please? Dec 18 16:20:25 Or maybe a different page... say, Getting involved Dec 18 16:20:39 dneary, ah, yes. I kept putting off bothering X-Fade about that. Dec 18 16:21:36 dneary, looks good! Dec 18 16:21:48 Took me a few hours to figure out the correct way to do it in Mediawiki Dec 18 16:22:12 If you want to change the wording, I have another surprise: http://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Edit_help Dec 18 16:29:43 They really need to overhaul the config stuff. Dec 18 16:36:54 * GAN900 has tab! Dec 18 16:37:58 hi Dec 18 16:38:08 is there already a release date for maemo 6? Dec 18 16:38:20 pupnik_: ah Dec 18 16:39:17 * pupnik_ bashes skull on keyboard Dec 18 16:39:52 or does anybody know if maemo6 will run on the n900? Dec 18 16:40:54 xeviox: no, and no. Dec 18 16:41:05 xeviox: 6 requires multitouch reportedly Dec 18 16:41:17 and n900 does not by default come with multitouch in Dec 18 16:41:45 ah k Dec 18 16:41:57 *requires* ? Dec 18 16:42:06 and is it possible to create a "kiosk-mode" app on meamo5 or 6 ? Dec 18 16:42:06 note "reportedly" Dec 18 16:42:14 there hasn't been any official news ether way Dec 18 16:42:16 *either Dec 18 16:42:17 reportedly by who? Dec 18 16:42:19 jebba: To restate - key UI elements are multitouch Dec 18 16:42:32 jebba: AIUI it was a speech by someone important at a conference. Dec 18 16:42:38 but I forget details. Dec 18 16:42:51 Ummm. WTF? Broken UI, I'd say. Dec 18 16:42:55 SpeedEvil: I very much doubt they *require* multitouch to function, otherwise I can see a severe upcoming case of foot, meet mouth Dec 18 16:43:09 people using one hand to operate their phone for instance wouldn't be overly amused Dec 18 16:43:33 w00t: yeah - well - ... Dec 18 16:43:45 but yeah, wait and see what comes I say Dec 18 16:43:48 and which IDEs do you use for development? Dec 18 16:43:48 At least that was the reason raised - for no 6 on n900 Dec 18 16:43:50 and yes. Dec 18 16:43:54 it's gonna be a while. Dec 18 16:44:03 xeviox: qt creator Dec 18 16:44:08 (or vim) Dec 18 16:44:10 afternoon all Dec 18 16:44:21 hi hi Dec 18 16:44:26 hi w00t Dec 18 16:44:29 how goes? Dec 18 16:44:39 not bad, just back from xmas lunch Dec 18 16:44:42 :) Dec 18 16:44:47 w00t: thx Dec 18 16:45:07 xeviox: no problem :) Dec 18 16:45:13 lardman: lucky bugger! Dec 18 16:45:34 we're planning to create a kiosk mode app for a mobile phone, and we're very unlucky with the horrible graphic perfomance of our windows mobile phones .. Dec 18 16:45:44 xeviox: hahaha. I feel your pain Dec 18 16:45:46 so I'm searching for an alternative Dec 18 16:45:56 lardman: You already have christmas? Dec 18 16:45:57 I've been stuck with winmo for 3 years now until I got my n900 Dec 18 16:45:57 and maemo looks great Dec 18 16:46:05 ^^ Dec 18 16:46:06 never ever going back, ever Dec 18 16:46:10 lol Dec 18 16:46:13 range: work xmas lunch thing Dec 18 16:46:18 is the performance that great as shown in the vids? Dec 18 16:46:43 xeviox: I've never had to wait for anything except data transmission (webpage loading etc) and webpage rendering *occasionally* Dec 18 16:46:49 me too Dec 18 16:46:55 but I expect the browser will get better Dec 18 16:47:01 k Dec 18 16:47:04 (or fennec will replace it once it gets better) Dec 18 16:47:04 sounds good Dec 18 16:47:26 and do you know if it is possible to create a kiosk mode application and delete all unused apps? Dec 18 16:47:27 X-Fade: ping Dec 18 16:47:35 I don't, unfortunately Dec 18 16:47:55 is there a good navigation software for maemo? Dec 18 16:48:01 I'd imagine you could do close to anything you really wanted, though, just root yourself up and off you go Dec 18 16:48:01 xeviox: certainly you could delete all apps, and you could probably force an app to be started automatically, though would take some work Dec 18 16:48:14 navigation isn't that great atm. but some competition to ovi maps is on the way Dec 18 16:48:19 afaik Dec 18 16:48:31 ohai Dec 18 16:48:36 hmm Dec 18 16:48:36 lo, Myrtti Dec 18 16:48:38 or use maemap Dec 18 16:48:46 lardman: mm. what's that? Dec 18 16:48:55 does google maps work? Dec 18 16:49:01 that web page which uses Google maps Dec 18 16:49:05 isn't that the name? Dec 18 16:49:12 I imagine so, xeviox, the n900 browser is pretty much the same as a desktop browser Dec 18 16:49:16 so.. Dec 18 16:49:19 lardman: ah Dec 18 16:49:24 ok Dec 18 16:49:29 lardman: I count navigation as having GPS, though Dec 18 16:49:39 so there is no app for google maps like on iphone or win mobile? Dec 18 16:49:59 xeviox: it's still a very new platform.. one may come, but there isn't one yet, no Dec 18 16:50:05 k Dec 18 16:50:07 w00t: works for me ;) Dec 18 16:50:40 is maemo-mapper useable yet, or still a bit iffy? Dec 18 16:50:55 seems to work ok Dec 18 16:51:07 maemo seems to be a great alternative as it seems to offer great performance and seems to be much more configurable than win mobile ^^ Dec 18 16:51:16 indeed Dec 18 16:51:17 :) Dec 18 16:51:54 anything I should know before I order a n900 ??? ^^ Dec 18 16:52:07 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33645 is maeMaps Dec 18 16:52:08 amazon takes a long time to ship them. Dec 18 16:52:15 lol Dec 18 16:52:16 tcarl|work: hahaha Dec 18 16:52:24 * w00t is very thankful he ordered directly. Dec 18 16:52:43 Yeah, it was $50 cheaper through amazon, than directly... Dec 18 16:52:53 But, directly would have had an N900 already in my hand. Dec 18 16:52:56 if I order one, I will order it in january earliest Dec 18 16:52:59 exactly Dec 18 16:53:01 Amazon still hasn't even shipped mine yet :( Dec 18 16:53:11 :( Dec 18 16:53:13 tcarl|work: woah, what country, and when did you order? Dec 18 16:53:18 I ordered my phone on 12/16, in the US. Dec 18 16:53:22 still not shipped today. Dec 18 16:53:29 16th of december? Dec 18 16:53:31 err not 12/16 Dec 18 16:53:34 hold, let me check. Dec 18 16:53:38 was about to say :P Dec 18 16:53:50 It was Jose-Luiz Martinez @ BCN Dec 18 16:53:55 maemaps looks ok, but seems to don't offer routing options Dec 18 16:53:57 * mgedmin ordered it on 16th of october, got it last friday Dec 18 16:53:58 Wasn't entirely official. Dec 18 16:54:04 More offhand, but. Dec 18 16:54:07 Okay, was ordered 12/12 Dec 18 16:54:12 still not shipped today. Dec 18 16:54:17 mgedmin: christ Dec 18 16:54:47 that was the Forum Nokia eStore, not Amazon, though Dec 18 16:54:55 ah Dec 18 16:55:03 would be great if you could change OSes on your phone like on your laptop :D Dec 18 16:55:51 soon your lptop is your phone Dec 18 16:55:54 xeviox: you can, to a degree Dec 18 16:56:13 any ideas if maemo will work on a htc touch diamond 2? Dec 18 16:56:52 xeviox: Highly unlikely. Dec 18 16:56:57 :( Dec 18 16:57:02 htc != nokia. Dec 18 16:57:04 maemo = nokia. Dec 18 16:57:06 ^^ Dec 18 16:57:31 I know some old pocket pcs that were able to be flashed to embedded linux .. Dec 18 16:57:46 maemo 5 is currently highly tailored to the N900. Dec 18 16:58:02 xeviox: it took some serious work though Dec 18 16:58:08 Its possible, you could get it running on your HTC device, but it would require a considerable effort to make that happen. Dec 18 16:58:33 work that I can't do because of lacking experience :( Dec 18 16:58:41 Try hundreds of hours, if not thousands to have that happen. Dec 18 16:58:42 any new intresting maps for n900 Dec 18 16:58:45 :l Dec 18 16:58:49 work that people with experience won't tend to do because they lack time too Dec 18 16:59:28 is that an Android device out of interest? Dec 18 16:59:32 more or less, for that to realistically happen, HTC would either have to fund the port of maemo to their device. Dec 18 16:59:47 s/either// Dec 18 16:59:49 tcarl|work meant: more or less, for that to realistically happen, HTC would have to fund the port of maemo to their device. Dec 18 16:59:50 well Linux would be enough, then it could be included in Mer Dec 18 17:00:02 yep. Dec 18 17:02:41 ~seen x-fade Dec 18 17:02:44 x-fade is currently on #maemo (3h 13m 43s), last said: 'RST38h: Lunch, bbl.'. Dec 18 17:03:11 ah, perhaps he had an XMas lunch too :) Dec 18 17:03:39 what's the differnce between maemo and linux embedded? is it just like another dist.? Dec 18 17:03:41 * AndrewFBlack been trying to get his theme in testing for 4 hours now but page wont load Dec 18 17:04:05 tcarl|work: well, like nokia repeats frequently maemo5 just is the 4th step Dec 18 17:04:30 xeviox: maemo is pretty much a 'normal' linux desktop Dec 18 17:04:40 xeviox: with some custom daemons andstuff Dec 18 17:05:00 SpeedEvil: and linux embedded is a very basic dist.? Dec 18 17:05:35 hmm, is there no longer a setting on the N900 to disconnect after X minutes of inactivity? Dec 18 17:05:36 xeviox: linux embedded is a specific project? Dec 18 17:05:47 so Dec 18 17:05:50 heroes = xmen Dec 18 17:05:54 minus professor X? :) Dec 18 17:05:55 heh Dec 18 17:06:08 SpeedEvil: yes, but can I see both as different distris? Because both are based on linux, right? Dec 18 17:06:10 xeviox: embedded linux in general is simply a term for linux in a box that the user doesn't usually touch. Say routers, or ... Dec 18 17:06:26 ah k Dec 18 17:07:32 DVD players Dec 18 17:07:36 Washing machines Dec 18 17:07:59 yay, openvpn widget is working very nicely now Dec 18 17:11:04 I don't know.. when I put linux on a box I generally don't touch it afterwards Dec 18 17:11:18 Har har Dec 18 17:14:37 I always read embedded as meaning no gui Dec 18 17:14:51 or at least not a standard one Dec 18 17:15:25 if its just no standard gui, then that means all linux is embedded. Dec 18 17:15:26 and that's the real meaning of embedded anyway Dec 18 17:15:31 There is no standard guy for linux. Dec 18 17:15:35 err gui. Dec 18 17:15:36 lol. Dec 18 17:15:56 (on dvorak the y key is next to the i key) :P Dec 18 17:16:38 lies.. all lies.. youre just drunk Dec 18 17:16:46 I wish. Dec 18 17:16:53 oh sorry, it was me Dec 18 17:17:01 nvm Dec 18 17:17:49 well no X then ;) Dec 18 17:18:19 pasuspender don't seem to work here Dec 18 17:19:03 http://suicidemachine.org/ boom! Dec 18 17:20:48 pulseaudio on n900 gets respawned by /etc/event.d/pulseaudio Dec 18 17:22:21 lardman: no ascii keyboard. no user accounts Dec 18 17:22:49 no way of telling it's Linux in normal operation Dec 18 17:23:00 might be another one to add Dec 18 17:23:42 a very good one :-) Dec 18 17:38:44 alsactl init Dec 18 17:38:46 Unknown hardware: "tlv320aic3x" Dec 18 17:38:48 hmm Dec 18 17:40:52 lol Dec 18 17:40:58 still fighting Dec 18 17:40:59 ? Dec 18 17:41:01 with dmix Dec 18 17:41:45 no, trying to bypass pulse. got alsamixer running but only geiger counter sounds from pcm Dec 18 17:42:16 lol Dec 18 17:42:50 amazing, alsamixer gives us control over the speaker high-pass-filter Dec 18 17:42:55 cutoff point Dec 18 17:43:01 ???? Dec 18 17:44:50 Item: ADC HPF Cut-off [0.0125xFs Dec 18 17:45:49 right, got aplay and amixer happy. now to see why sdl is borking it Dec 18 17:48:34 hi Dec 18 17:49:02 wifi now at 10mW, let's see what that does Dec 18 17:49:03 can someone confirm me that he can see my application under extras-devel version 0.2-2 Dec 18 17:49:13 ml-mobile: i works a lot more Dec 18 17:49:27 ml-mobile: prolly very little unless you are doing a _lot_ of transmitting Dec 18 17:49:39 yeah Dec 18 17:51:20 Powersave mode hates my AP though Dec 18 17:52:19 oups my application is qlandkartem gps application :) Dec 18 17:52:33 is there a emulator for memo? Dec 18 17:52:39 s/memo/maemo Dec 18 17:52:48 s/a/an Dec 18 17:53:00 there is a sdk which can run most stuff on i386 Dec 18 17:53:27 sounds good, is there a screenshot somewhere? Dec 18 17:54:47 BabelO: Still showing as 0.2-1 here (after an apt-get update) Dec 18 17:56:51 dneary: i want to submit some talk re GNOME and Mer just for a heads up - i need to be back in poland to do so (back sunday) Dec 18 17:57:05 Stskeeps, OK Dec 18 17:57:20 I'll ping you again Monday, I'm around until Thursday next week Dec 18 17:57:23 thanks Dec 18 17:57:28 Micha_: ok thanks, it look strange, on my device i did not see it under navigation in app manager but i see it with apt-cache search at the good revision Dec 18 17:57:36 had to hand in my master's thesis so -everything- was temporarily halted :P Dec 18 17:58:34 grr pete's spu broken Dec 18 18:03:29 found a bug Dec 18 18:04:04 BabelO: Do you alrady have the latest version installed from a .deb on your n900? Dec 18 18:04:35 in N900 web browser, if you enter a password to a website and then submit the form, then hit the action (swipe from offscreen lower right to onscreen towards the left) to go back in browser history, and it asks you for your password.... it's hosed Dec 18 18:04:41 no way to switch back to that task Dec 18 18:04:43 BabelO: If so, I'm fairly sure apt-cache will show the details of the installed version, not the version available in the repositories. Dec 18 18:05:30 I mean, it asks if you want to save your password Dec 18 18:05:36 lucent, bugs.maemo.org Dec 18 18:05:39 okay Dec 18 18:06:14 how would I search if that's an existing bug though? what search terms Dec 18 18:06:25 Micha_: ok i will look i ve no version installed, removed the one i have. and autobuilder tell me all is ok with 0.2-2 Dec 18 18:06:31 I don't understand enough to know what to search to avoid filing a dupe report Dec 18 18:06:44 It sucks that moblin and UNR don't work on this netbook (Samsung NC20) Dec 18 18:07:04 The wifi's OK (atheros) but the graphics is a Via piece of closed crap Dec 18 18:07:28 BabelO: It can take a while (in my experience) for the package to be in the repository after the autobuilder completes. But odd if you can see it via apt-cache. Let me update again. Dec 18 18:07:38 dneary has it poulsbo chipset? Dec 18 18:07:44 ah via Dec 18 18:07:45 sorry Dec 18 18:08:34 lucent, I don't think it's been filed, but use advanced search to filter to browser bugs then try some keywords. Dec 18 18:08:49 alsamixer can also turn off/on radio Dec 18 18:09:09 woglinde, VX800/820 Dec 18 18:09:31 pupnik_ lol Dec 18 18:09:38 woglinde, No 3d, no MPEG4 hardware accel, lousy 2D performance Dec 18 18:09:55 BabelO: Ok, I can see both versions now. Dec 18 18:10:47 hm phoronix has something Dec 18 18:10:50 about this Dec 18 18:11:07 woglinde, My thing, or the other thing? Dec 18 18:11:13 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=via_nov_20&num=1b Dec 18 18:11:35 Published today are four programming guides to cover the VX800/820 Graphics Core & 2D (100 pages), VX800/820 3D & video (157 pages), Dec 18 18:11:46 seems you can write the driver yourself Dec 18 18:16:38 more /var/lib/alsa/asound.state gives me the enumerated mixer devices for RX51 audio device. /etc/init.d/alsa-util restart works without complaints, but pcm device gives me burbly garbage from sdl - fine from aplay / mplayer Dec 18 18:18:38 pupnik_, why alsa, and not pulseaudio? Dec 18 18:18:46 doesn't SDL have pulse support? Dec 18 18:19:06 mgedmin because pulse suckz up cpu Dec 18 18:19:38 anyone else having problems with applications not instlaling due to the 230mb rootfs / being 100% full? Dec 18 18:19:46 and because it would suck if all apps supported needless frills like bluetooth headphones, right? Dec 18 18:20:00 el_zilcho, all the time ;) Dec 18 18:20:13 is there a solution to that? Dec 18 18:20:24 uninstall some apps Dec 18 18:20:43 or wait until optified apps make their way past the extras-testing gauntlet Dec 18 18:20:43 but its only a 230mb partition... why would apps even go there? Dec 18 18:20:47 oh Dec 18 18:20:50 el_zilcho its working on Dec 18 18:20:52 complicated technical reasons :( Dec 18 18:20:59 yeah Dec 18 18:21:01 ok Dec 18 18:21:04 if you're interested, look up "the opt problem" in the maemo wiki Dec 18 18:21:08 there is an effort do convert packages to use /opt Dec 18 18:21:08 people are working on it Dec 18 18:21:34 mgedmin: i'm real impressed with pulse, but it makes some things unusable, so we need an option to bypass. i haven't had luck using pasuspend (which should let us do this on a per-app basis) Dec 18 18:21:37 yeah, i wo't look it up now, but i understand from your message Dec 18 18:21:40 what's going on Dec 18 18:21:47 pupnik_, ok Dec 18 18:22:33 any ideas what proper /etc/asound.conf might be for RX51 pcm device? Dec 18 18:22:55 well not proper - alsabackend Dec 18 18:23:16 i guess i'm going to try to see what is actually being put there that shouldn't be and see if i can just symlink it over to the other partition Dec 18 18:24:54 I've a sort of a script that sort of does that, sort of... Dec 18 18:25:04 but it ignores libraries, which probably take up the most space Dec 18 18:25:25 I think currently the largest known problem is python: ~20 megs of rootfs Dec 18 18:25:41 Just pushed my Theme maemo-org to extras-testing if anyone wants to check it out. Dec 18 18:25:53 the optified version in extras-devel had some scary faults, so it's undergoing extra testing now Dec 18 18:26:31 is the n900 the best maemo phone for now? Dec 18 18:26:39 its the only maemo "phone" Dec 18 18:26:40 it's the only Dec 18 18:26:42 it's the only maemo phone Dec 18 18:26:48 oh Dec 18 18:26:51 ^^ k Dec 18 18:26:52 well, except for mer/freerunner, which doesn't function as a phone. Dec 18 18:26:55 ty AndrewFBlack Dec 18 18:27:02 maemo!=mer Dec 18 18:27:09 You can tell by the pixels. Dec 18 18:27:11 pupnik_, no prob Dec 18 18:27:21 And the fact I've seen some closed-source binaries in my time. Dec 18 18:27:54 Micha_: so it is not normal to see both versions ? you see in app manager too ? Dec 18 18:29:53 figures I would push my theme to extras testing and they release a new copy of ThemeMaker same day lol Dec 18 18:35:56 okay bug #7122 filed Dec 18 18:35:58 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7122 Popup versus back history UI race condition in Browser Dec 18 18:36:13 does anyone have a working SDK they can compile evtest.c for me please ? Dec 18 18:37:41 o/ Dec 18 18:37:42 http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~whot/evtest/snapshot/evtest-1.25.zip Dec 18 18:37:54 I can git clone, if you wish Dec 18 18:38:06 would be simpler for me, really Dec 18 18:38:22 AndrewFBlack, short description should be sentence case. Dec 18 18:38:39 AndrewFBlack, use Maemo-Display-Name Dec 18 18:39:34 ah, sorry, I assumes it's your app you want to test Dec 18 18:40:15 how can i watch .asf videostream? Dec 18 18:40:17 I'd just say "A maemo.org theme" Dec 18 18:40:18 GAN900, you talking about short decription on bugzilla? Dec 18 18:40:18 or package? Dec 18 18:40:25 mplayer seems to be quite heavy Dec 18 18:40:41 Package Dec 18 18:41:10 rather than a tool to figure something else out Dec 18 18:41:11 how do you use autoconf? Dec 18 18:41:14 ah, autoreconf -i Dec 18 18:41:14 mgedmin, are you comments directed at me ? which side of autoconf are you? the developer or the builder/installer ? Dec 18 18:41:15 odin_, trying to build evtest-1.25 for you, yes ;) Dec 18 18:41:16 evtest.c:195: error: 'BTN_TOOL_QUADTAP' undeclared here (not in a function) Dec 18 18:41:16 is ./configure not working ? Dec 18 18:41:17 there was no configure in the zip Dec 18 18:42:19 /usr/include/linux/input.h in the SDK doesn't have BTN_TOOL_QUADTAP, only up to TRIPLETAP Dec 18 18:42:23 older api, I suspect Dec 18 18:43:04 ok but thats just diagnostic... Dec 18 18:43:14 * mgedmin ifdefs that out Dec 18 18:43:17 maybe they should have #ifdef that Dec 18 18:43:19 evtest-capture.c:563: error: 'ABS_MT_TOUCH_MAJOR' undeclared here (not in a function) Dec 18 18:43:40 huh, it's already protected by #if LINUX_VERSION_CODE >= KERNEL_VERSION(2,6,30) Dec 18 18:44:03 GAN900, is Maemo-Display-Name required I use py2deb to make my source packages and not sure if I know how to add a Maemo-Display-Name Dec 18 18:45:18 add another inner ifdef should do it Dec 18 18:46:41 odin_, http://mg.pov.lt/evtest-1.25-fremantle-armel.zip Dec 18 18:47:08 and the "it's already protected" bit applied to a different file than the one I got an error in Dec 18 18:47:22 so I copied the same ifdef from evtest.c to evtest-capture.c and it compiled fine Dec 18 18:47:39 thanks very much, giving it a go (to diagnose my Bluetooth Keyboard for N900) Dec 18 18:48:32 AndrewFBlack: Can you set the app-manager icon using py2deb? Dec 18 18:48:57 Micha_, yeah Dec 18 18:50:01 AndrewFBlack: How? It's one of the few things I haven't worked out yet. Dec 18 18:51:15 mgedmin: there's really no way to resize this root partition either, eh? looks like moving/symlinking is not going to be a workable solution Dec 18 18:51:21 * Micha_ got it going in pypackager Dec 18 18:51:34 Micha_, line 27 p.icon = "/home/user/MyDocs/Build/icon.png" but you can put the icon anywhere thats just where I hav it Dec 18 18:51:42 el_zilcho, eh, no, not unless you find some way to solder a bigger NAND flash chip Dec 18 18:51:56 ahh Dec 18 18:51:59 AndrewFBlack: Thanks! Dec 18 18:52:01 i see Dec 18 18:52:02 the root partiton is max size you get from NAND Dec 18 18:52:07 maybe some kind of "boot from MMC" trick might work, but I'm not touching those with a ten-foot pole Dec 18 18:52:07 yes Dec 18 18:52:18 yeah, screw it Dec 18 18:52:24 i'll just uninstall more stuff Dec 18 18:52:26 Micha_, no problem just need ot figure out how todo this hildon-display-name thingy Dec 18 18:52:30 until something works Dec 18 18:52:31 AndrewFBlack: I really like the theme, but some highlights seem to be missing Dec 18 18:52:38 also, reboot Dec 18 18:52:52 rebooting ofen frees space Dec 18 18:53:13 i reboot like twice daily just for my wireless to connect Dec 18 18:53:15 fiferboy, its a problem with theme maker to putting them in several themes of the error Dec 18 18:53:41 AndrewFBlack: Ah, gotcha. Dec 18 18:53:44 is there any problem with assigning a password to user "user" ? will it break anything ? Dec 18 18:54:01 will it change the behavor of anything ? Dec 18 18:54:50 no idea, but I would do it :) Dec 18 18:54:50 AndrewFBlack: where i that used? Dec 18 18:55:04 Micha_, got no idea Dec 18 18:55:31 odin_, currently it's configured (as you may well know) to not have a valid login password, it seems very doubtful enabling it would break anything Dec 18 18:56:34 you mean SSH login, or all logins (i.e. PAM always rejects auth attempts) Dec 18 18:56:52 Hi Dec 18 18:56:52 odin_, I mean user:!:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh Dec 18 18:57:08 odin_, sshing in as root works just fine, I would be surprised if it didn't work for user Dec 18 18:57:32 hi guys, just got my N900 and am wondering how to take out the back cover so i can try my sim LOL Dec 18 18:57:40 ah I see it just uses crypt for password storage in /etc/passwd (rather than /etc/shadow with salted hash) Dec 18 18:57:42 get your stylus Dec 18 18:57:50 push it into the thumb/fonger hole Dec 18 18:57:52 about 2 inches Dec 18 18:57:57 bigbrovar_, yes, it's a bit scary, but it will open once you apply sufficient force :) Dec 18 18:57:59 odin_,flux, yeah, I change it to user:*: and then ssh works Dec 18 18:58:01 give a wiggle and the case will fall off Dec 18 18:58:08 mgedmin, user:*:, what? Dec 18 18:58:17 yeah, i'm still using root to ssh in... which i don't care for, but i've been too lazy to examine further.... one thing that really bugs me though is that from the CLI, even after setting a root password... calling 'root' does the su w/out prompting for the password i set Dec 18 18:58:21 * mtnbkr was afraid that he would break his on first attempt to open cover too Dec 18 18:58:25 wouldn't simply using 'passwd user' change it so that it works, and after that it's not going to be * Dec 18 18:58:35 I am already using "root" with SSH with a password setup but using "passwd user" is best Dec 18 18:58:44 fliux, in /etc/passwd, when the password is !, user can't log in no way no how, when the password hash is *, user can login using ssh keys only Dec 18 18:58:50 s/fliux/flux/ Dec 18 18:58:51 mgedmin meant: flux, in /etc/passwd, when the password is !, user can't log in no way no how, when the password hash is *, user can login using ssh keys only Dec 18 18:58:56 mgedmin, oh, right, didn't think of that Dec 18 18:59:03 good to know Dec 18 18:59:04 passwords are passe Dec 18 18:59:15 :) Dec 18 18:59:23 does the n900 box have the phone's serial number on it? Dec 18 18:59:33 actually, I could probably just unlock it with passwd -u instead of editing /etc/passwd directly... Dec 18 18:59:37 stupid of me Dec 18 18:59:42 but use "passwd -l user" and "password -u user" to remove ! Dec 18 18:59:44 jkimball4, yes Dec 18 18:59:45 this is pretty embarrassing .. not even having a clue on how to take out the back cover without making the wrong move #N900 Dec 18 18:59:51 it has both IMEI and WLAN MAC outside Dec 18 18:59:55 whoa, I never looked the command line options of passwd, there are plenty : Dec 18 19:00:05 bigbrovar_, use force Dec 18 19:00:09 within reason, of course Dec 18 19:00:10 mgedmin: i see. is this information recorded when a retailer sends the device out? Dec 18 19:00:15 ITYM "the force" Dec 18 19:00:17 but the cover is rather hard to take off Dec 18 19:00:26 i'm considering buying a second phone from someone else so i can return this defective one without waiting on dell Dec 18 19:00:28 jkimball4, I've no idea Dec 18 19:00:33 it'll get easier once you pop it once or twice Dec 18 19:00:55 perhaps it's only more self-confidence, or it loosens up a bit Dec 18 19:01:20 apparently similar covers have been great at breaking down in earlier phones, though Dec 18 19:02:09 bigbrovar_, i just answered you Dec 18 19:02:53 re lcuk Dec 18 19:02:56 AndrewFBlack: Thanks, that worked! Dec 18 19:03:07 re woglinde Dec 18 19:03:09 Micha_, no problem Dec 18 19:03:50 AndrewFBlack: couldn't find any reference to that option, and i spent a bit of time searching.. Dec 18 19:03:54 hey guys. how do i remove ANY personal information and settings from my n900? Dec 18 19:04:09 q0s: flash both flash and emmc Dec 18 19:04:28 Micha_, sometimes the easy stuff is hard to find Dec 18 19:04:43 i did flash the flash ... but missed the emmc. omg Dec 18 19:05:34 what means "VANILLA" version of the eMMC content for Nokia N900. i dont understand vanilla :) Dec 18 19:06:22 heck no Nigeria in the time region.. cant even find west africa Dec 18 19:07:35 q0s, VANILLA is a "plain flavor" what Nokia's means is their default personalization Dec 18 19:08:35 odin_, that means? Dec 18 19:08:53 hey, do you know if is it possible to remove the starting nokia song? Dec 18 19:09:01 is very annoying Dec 18 19:09:24 i saw something in the application manager that replaces the startup screen with ATHF stuff Dec 18 19:09:28 don't know if it works Dec 18 19:09:36 though, i disagree that it's annoying Dec 18 19:10:06 * hardaker does a du before and after a reboot; finds / increase in space by 15M but no good differences in du to account for it. Whee. Dec 18 19:10:44 q0s, means their default wallpaper and option choices, etc... since its possible for a Mobile Network Operator to buy the phone from nokia and customize it (to brand it) before providing the phone to the Mobile Subscriber, so VANILLA is just a plain set of defaults as opposed to a branded one Dec 18 19:11:31 odin_, thanks for your description. so, i guess this is what came with my n900 by default? Dec 18 19:11:35 hardaker: if it's in the FAT part, who knows.. Dec 18 19:11:44 even ext3 i'm not so sure Dec 18 19:11:54 q0s, the nokia VANILLA defaults are more aimed at showing off the features of the phone and the stuff that the phone hooks upto (like Ovi Store, etc...) Dec 18 19:11:57 did a du from / and compared the whole tree Dec 18 19:12:13 q0s, yes, if you purchase the phone directly from Nokia, yes it is the default Dec 18 19:12:17 hardaker, / is ubifs, it does garbage collection on boot Dec 18 19:12:23 yep... Dec 18 19:12:27 any way to trigger it? Dec 18 19:12:32 mgedmin, I hope it does garbage collection more often Dec 18 19:12:33 hardaker, reboot :) Dec 18 19:12:35 odin_, thanks a lot Dec 18 19:12:50 (I was doing it to wonder if they were also cleaning up disk space too; like apt caches, etc, but nope... it's *just* garbarage collection) Dec 18 19:12:51 odin_, I think so; normally it does that slowly in the background or something Dec 18 19:12:56 I'm not really sure... Dec 18 19:13:05 the problem is that after installing 3-4 packages I don't have any space left and the only solution is to reboot. Dec 18 19:13:12 I'd rather *not* reboot. Dec 18 19:13:14 yeah, ouch Dec 18 19:13:15 (obviously) Dec 18 19:13:30 I did a backup and when tried to restore all my apps, ran out of disk space in the middle of the list Dec 18 19:13:40 yes thats a real problem, afecting many users... there must be a way to force an online/mounted garbage collection of the filesystem Dec 18 19:13:42 interesting Dec 18 19:13:46 hardaker: :) i feel ya... same thing here... i guess patience will be our solution Dec 18 19:13:49 worth a bug, I suspect Dec 18 19:14:02 mgedmin: probably true. Dec 18 19:14:17 I assumed my problem was caused by the apps becoming bigger Dec 18 19:14:24 which can be hooked into the apt package system to automatically sync-ubifs (infact a nice little tool is needed to force that) Dec 18 19:14:38 or by the fact that I'd moved the hildon-welcome startup movie into /opt by hand Dec 18 19:14:43 although that .avi file is only 1.5 megs Dec 18 19:14:50 and I still had 3 megs free on my old n900 Dec 18 19:15:02 I moved my /var/ligb/dpkg folder to /opt/maemo/var/lib/dpkg Dec 18 19:15:33 the dpkg database takes up between 5% and 15% of total rootfs space, this needs to be addresses so its scalable Dec 18 19:15:42 that's the video of the hands clasping each other? Dec 18 19:15:55 I've wondered why /usr/lib/python2.5 isn't in /opt Dec 18 19:16:16 is python2.5 provided by Nokia ? Dec 18 19:16:16 el_zilcho, yes Dec 18 19:16:22 or /usr/share/icons Dec 18 19:16:27 hardaker, *sigh* Dec 18 19:16:32 odin_: I'm not actualy sure. Dec 18 19:16:40 /usr/share/icons -- because rootfs must be flashable Dec 18 19:17:11 mgedmin: right... but, *that* doesn't need to come from flash Dec 18 19:17:14 (IMHO) Dec 18 19:17:25 I realize on a reflash they might want to use different icons. Dec 18 19:17:30 but a after-flash script would fix that. Dec 18 19:18:27 hardaker, if python2.5 is part of the "maemo base platform" http://maemo.org/intro/platform/ (there was a better diagram, that listed OpenSSL) Dec 18 19:19:08 odin_: I was just looking into that... hadn't remember the proper dpkg line to show the origin Dec 18 19:19:09 why are there so many processes running? even my desktop doesn't have that many Dec 18 19:19:17 Maintainer: PyMaemo Team Dec 18 19:20:06 odin_: run more things on your desktop ;-) n900: 160, desktop: 219 Dec 18 19:20:43 science friday is talking about data mining from your cell phone right now... Dec 18 19:20:51 very interesting. Dec 18 19:21:49 hardaker, python will be optified, once all the bugs are shaken out Dec 18 19:22:09 hardaker, my desktop workstation has 6Gb, but 160 processes for a mobile device is a little over the top Dec 18 19:22:12 mgedmin: what's the point of not doing it now though? Dec 18 19:22:33 point is: I restored a bunch of apps from backup a couple of days ago Dec 18 19:22:42 odin_: yeah, I was shocked the first time I saw the process count. Dec 18 19:22:45 and a bug in pymaemo-optify broke my python installation Dec 18 19:22:46 * lcuk freezes Dec 18 19:22:47 that bug's been fixed Dec 18 19:22:57 upgrading pymaemo-optify broke my python installation again Dec 18 19:23:09 which turns out a leftover problem caused from the previous problem Dec 18 19:23:25 anyway, the pymaemo team decided to do some extra testing to prevent these kinds of problems Dec 18 19:23:48 nice Dec 18 19:23:50 yay npr Dec 18 19:26:58 30480 ./usr/lib/python2.5 Dec 18 19:27:33 it's the 7th biggest directory in my sorted du. (/usr and /usr/lib are 2 of the spots above them too, of course) Dec 18 19:27:51 hardaker, if you're feeling brave, add the extras-devel repository Dec 18 19:28:00 I have extras-devel. Dec 18 19:28:06 then install pymaemo-optify Dec 18 19:28:21 I'm surprised it wasn't installed automatically Dec 18 19:28:22 if you have the space :-P Dec 18 19:28:25 hehe Dec 18 19:28:25 oh, wait, no! Dec 18 19:28:30 hardaker, du -x /usr/lib/python2.5 Dec 18 19:28:43 pymaemo-optify bind-mounts bits of /opt under /usr/lib/python2.5 Dec 18 19:28:55 so du prints a sum of space used in / and in /opt Dec 18 19:29:35 FYI, it wasn't installed. Dec 18 19:29:39 the mount --bind's they are used for ? building package ? installation ? runtime ? Dec 18 19:29:40 so it wasn't automatic. Dec 18 19:30:17 * hardaker really needs to start writing more stuff in python Dec 18 19:30:35 sweet. Now I have 30M available in / (which is double). THanks for the tip. Dec 18 19:31:09 though, IMHO, I think the whole directory should be moved not just pieces. Dec 18 19:31:24 yeah, that's pimp Dec 18 19:31:27 whoops. Dec 18 19:31:28 it is. Dec 18 19:31:34 my bad. Dec 18 19:31:46 * hardaker wonders why the mount instead of a link Dec 18 19:33:01 hardaker overlay mounts are better Dec 18 19:33:01 the mount --bind's they are used for ? building package ? installation ? runtime ? (sounds like runtime, if you consider a symlink a viable alternative, at runtime must be a bad idea?) Dec 18 19:35:03 ovi.com UI is insane. sharing a picture the way everyone may see it is non-trivial, it is epic fail i think Dec 18 19:37:27 hardaker, IIRC turned out Python sees through symlinks Dec 18 19:37:29 and then fails Dec 18 19:37:35 or something like that Dec 18 19:37:42 there were long threads on mailing lists Dec 18 19:38:11 mgedmin: that's a bug in python if true. There is *no* reason it should be doing a lstat when looking for modules Dec 18 19:38:36 yeah Dec 18 19:38:57 Arkenoi: wait until you see ovi stoe.... Dec 18 19:39:08 Arkenoi++ Dec 18 19:39:10 can the SDK be installed on a non-linux system ? Dec 18 19:39:21 odin_, there are vmware images out there... Dec 18 19:39:35 hardaker, there is an explanation here: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-October/021348.html Dec 18 19:39:38 odin_: I've been wanting to see if I can move the contents of scratchbox to my fedora system and give it a shot; but I'm not hopeful. Dec 18 19:39:40 but the vmware image allows a Linux system to run in a non-linux system Dec 18 19:39:42 ubuntu with maemo sdk preinstalled, plus maybe eclipse and goodies like that, dunno, never tried it Dec 18 19:39:55 baraujo: thanks for the link Dec 18 19:40:16 I'd package and develop stuff a lot faster if I didn't have to have ubuntu running in a vbox Dec 18 19:40:33 * Micha_ would like to see a fully functional sb2 - based sdk image Dec 18 19:40:52 I have a vmware host I can run that on Dec 18 19:41:02 I'm trying to install maemo sdk on ubuntu x64 Dec 18 19:41:10 just to see how it differs from my attempts to get it going Dec 18 19:41:21 now I've setup stratchbox how the tutorial says Dec 18 19:41:24 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=433772&postcount=1 "maemo5/rx51 High Performance Audio Output" Dec 18 19:41:50 but receive the following error: You must close your other scratchbox session first Dec 18 19:42:02 when I try to run the maemo install script Dec 18 19:42:08 how do I logout from scratchbox? Dec 18 19:42:14 the http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/index.html is not the latest/final SDK ? Dec 18 19:42:48 re Dec 18 19:42:55 wazd o/ Dec 18 19:43:00 xeviox: just press Ctrl-d Dec 18 19:43:01 hello all Dec 18 19:43:08 RST38h, around? Dec 18 19:43:28 baraujo: thanks; you've now assured me that the python developers have their head somewhere they shouldn't. Dec 18 19:43:35 Stskeeps, \o :) Dec 18 19:43:40 odin_: no. Dec 18 19:43:50 wazd_n800: fixed a lot of fuckups in mer theming Dec 18 19:43:57 wazd: aha Dec 18 19:44:07 home, finally? Dec 18 19:44:10 odin_: it may be the latest sb1-based sdk, not sure Dec 18 19:44:16 hrw: in ubuntu or the bash? Dec 18 19:44:19 Stskeeps, polishing up Mer NY countdown Dec 18 19:44:23 there was a '_' where it should be '-' Dec 18 19:44:25 cool Dec 18 19:44:25 maybe I shall make an Amazon Elastic-Cloud AMI with the same Dec 18 19:44:27 RST38h, if only( Dec 18 19:44:43 xeviox: in scratchbox Dec 18 19:45:01 is there a single download with the SDK in it ? and they recommend debian on the host? or ubuntu ? (I am Red Hat / Ferdoa users on everything else) Dec 18 19:45:02 RST38h, I've sent you file this morning, got it? Dec 18 19:45:14 wazd: gmail address? I have not got anything Dec 18 19:45:34 RST38h, hmm... Dec 18 19:45:40 hrw: I just installed scratchbox then logged off and logged in and now try to run the maemo install script Dec 18 19:45:58 hrw: there is no scratchbox window opened Dec 18 19:46:06 hiya RST38h - you have any experience fixing burbly sound for sdl-->alsa? :/ Dec 18 19:46:12 xeviox: then no idea - I am lazy, hate sbox and used maemosdk vm image Dec 18 19:46:17 RST38h, wait a sec, I have a backup solution now) Dec 18 19:46:27 pupnik: Not really: I tried alsa on n900 but it did not work Dec 18 19:46:36 i got aplay running Dec 18 19:46:42 with no pulse inbetween Dec 18 19:46:51 anyone got an idea? Dec 18 19:46:54 I have got an ALSA sound driver in emulib Dec 18 19:47:03 I have lots of ideas (but not about linux sound) Dec 18 19:47:04 and full control of mixer / fmradio / speakerprot...hhhhhoooowwwweeee! thanks! Dec 18 19:47:23 * pupnik_ disappears in a puff of smoke Dec 18 19:47:39 I had problem with fmtuner upgrade, the "stop" and "start" stuck Dec 18 19:47:57 so the install script hung, which made the UI hang also Dec 18 19:48:42 maybe this message help: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! Dec 18 19:48:53 this message is displayed 3 times before the "E:" error Dec 18 19:49:59 RST38h, http://s16.radikal.ru/i190/0912/1b/bc1be0ae209a.png Dec 18 19:50:11 pupnik_: Woo! Dec 18 19:50:40 RST38h, uploaded it just in case :D Dec 18 19:51:35 how can I check if scratchbox is installed correctly? Dec 18 19:51:48 sorry I'm not that experienced with linux .. Dec 18 19:52:12 yesssssss Dec 18 19:52:37 wazd: Should I simply forward this URL? Dec 18 19:55:59 xeviox: run /scratchbox/login and then try to use it! Dec 18 19:56:22 RST38h, as you wish Dec 18 19:56:39 ok, done Dec 18 19:57:44 hardaker: k I'll try Dec 18 19:57:52 RST38h, great, thx Dec 18 19:57:53 http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo_5_SDK_installation_for_beginners Dec 18 19:58:02 read that; it gets you up and running quickly. Dec 18 19:58:04 and tests it. Dec 18 19:58:07 hardaker: also throws the same errors Dec 18 19:58:44 Stskeeps, my improvements are a bit radical but I hope you'll like it) Dec 18 19:58:56 hi murrayc Dec 18 19:59:01 hi Dec 18 19:59:45 Stskeeps, mix of fremantle, lowres screens optimisations and portrait/landscape compatibility Dec 18 20:00:50 where is the actual Freemantle SDK ? I have some scripts and I see at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php the Ubuntu+SDK mixed Dec 18 20:02:30 <-- is wondering why we need push-mail if IMAP Idle is available Dec 18 20:04:09 wazd_n800: cool Dec 18 20:04:45 odin_: forum.nokia.com Dec 18 20:04:51 odin_: maemo.org has links Dec 18 20:05:56 hi guys, just got my N900 and i plugged it to my pc ,,, hoping to charge it through the usb.. and also transfer some data to it Dec 18 20:06:13 I plugged it but it doesnt auto mounts on kubuntu Dec 18 20:06:29 and no indication or charging on the device itself .. Dec 18 20:07:35 moo-_-, yes Ive been there, there are just 3 scripts there not the actual SDK Dec 18 20:08:14 odin_: one script will download and install SDK... if you want to install it Some Other Way (tm) I recommend you to check what the script does Dec 18 20:08:24 it's an installer, after all Dec 18 20:08:27 moo-_-, I don't want to install it, just download it Dec 18 20:09:22 * ShadowJK would conside imap idle a push email Dec 18 20:09:59 also there is "GUI Installer", "Scratchbox Installer" and "SDK Installer" do I need all 3, are some super-sets of others ? Dec 18 20:10:18 bigbrovar_: a menu should pop up on the deivce asking whether you want mass storage mode or pcsuite mode Dec 18 20:10:54 ShadowJK: none popped out :( Dec 18 20:11:00 ShadowJK: let me try again Dec 18 20:11:14 the led in lower light glows yellow, if screen is off and device is charging. turns green when charge complete. blinks blue for missed call/etc Dec 18 20:11:34 s/light/right/ Dec 18 20:11:36 ShadowJK meant: the led in lower right glows yellow, if screen is off and device is charging. turns green when charge complete. blinks blue for missed call/etc Dec 18 20:11:48 ShadowJK: oh ok works now .. after charing it abit .. its working fine now thanks :) Dec 18 20:12:42 Hmmm...significant snow storm for MD tomorrow... Dec 18 20:13:01 Scaaaaaaaary Dec 18 20:14:10 RST38h, yeah, I'm alredy praying :D Dec 18 20:14:41 wazd: Exams and commencement cancelled in UMD Dec 18 20:15:06 * RST38h is still getting UMD-wide announcements with all the scary news Dec 18 20:15:16 moo Dec 18 20:15:26 woglinde, heya Dec 18 20:15:49 my nuts are freezing off Dec 18 20:16:07 lcukn900, sucker :D Dec 18 20:16:12 lcuk run Dec 18 20:16:25 lcukn900, I have -24 here) Dec 18 20:16:37 wazd *g* Dec 18 20:17:00 sent out to get tea and im fscking cold Dec 18 20:17:28 its -t here but feels like -99o9o999 Dec 18 20:17:35 -5 Dec 18 20:20:57 AndrewFBlack: Let me know when you need a maemo-org from the new theme maker tested... Dec 18 20:21:54 AndrewFBlack, just a general recommendation: look at the website for more inspiration. Dec 18 20:22:20 not :D Dec 18 20:22:57 wazd_n800: How is marina? Dec 18 20:24:04 fiferboy, well, my netbook is too weak to manipulate with its source so I'm not currently working on it Dec 18 20:24:15 wazd_n800: Ah Dec 18 20:24:24 fiferboy, aking new-year series for Mer) Dec 18 20:24:36 making* Dec 18 20:24:48 wazd_n800: Cool! Dec 18 20:25:53 fiferboy, looks like you're back to development) Dec 18 20:26:15 wazd_n800: It does? Dec 18 20:26:58 fiferboy, or you're just registering facebook account for your kid? :) Dec 18 20:27:07 does someone tried to build maemo.gitorious.org code to get system updates before nokia will release new FW? Dec 18 20:27:34 wazd_n800: I don't think either?! No facebook activity today, that I am aware of... Dec 18 20:27:42 re Dec 18 20:27:47 how are things chaps? Dec 18 20:27:57 lardman: Hi Dec 18 20:28:07 hey fiferboy, how's the family? Dec 18 20:28:18 lardman: Pretty good, other than colds. You? Dec 18 20:28:33 all good thanks :) Dec 18 20:28:33 he fiferboy Dec 18 20:28:41 Hey woglinde Dec 18 20:28:43 re lardman Dec 18 20:28:44 ~seen X-Fade Dec 18 20:28:46 x-fade is currently on #maemo (1h 7m 44s), last said: 'RST38h: Lunch, bbl.'. Dec 18 20:28:52 hi woglinde Dec 18 20:28:54 lardman I wrote him an email Dec 18 20:29:19 ok, might to likewise Dec 18 20:31:30 i wish exchange for maemo would ignore my junkmail folder =( Dec 18 20:32:10 does anyone know what the default location interval is? Dec 18 20:32:18 LOCATION_INTERVAL_DEFAULT Dec 18 20:32:23 i.e. what time? Dec 18 20:33:30 Christmas is almost here and we haven't got our firmware gift yet !! :P :P :) Dec 18 20:34:31 Anidel: I am writing post with informations what will be in it Dec 18 20:34:51 Anidel: and I am not working for Nokia and I do not have any access to internal builds Dec 18 20:34:55 hrw: asking or stating from what's in git? Dec 18 20:35:13 hrw: cool.. Dec 18 20:35:19 a post in t.m.o? Dec 18 20:35:36 ah, there was a comment in one of the bugs about stuff being in git/having been fixed in code, but that code not necessarily making it into the next release Dec 18 20:36:25 Anidel: no, my blog Dec 18 20:36:33 Anidel: I do not post on forums too often Dec 18 20:39:07 can anyone confirm if the application manager for the N900 works behind a network proxy? I have set a systemwide proxy but i cant get it to update. it fails everytime i try :( saying application list partially refreshed some catagories unavailable Dec 18 20:41:57 does proxy do http and https? Dec 18 20:42:19 yep http https and ftp ( its a squid proxy) Dec 18 20:42:31 SpeedEvil: it works very well on the N810 Dec 18 20:43:26 bigbrovar_: there have been problems in the past with manually set proxy servers not working for other apps Dec 18 20:43:33 SpeedEvil: I want to know if its a bug so i can file a bug report Dec 18 20:43:36 e.g. RSS reader wouldn't work on N8x0 iirc Dec 18 20:44:29 Are there other people out there like me who don't have a connection on all the time on their N900? Dec 18 20:44:43 lardman: hmmm funny rss works fine on me N810 same as app manager.. the only apps i had problem with were 3rd party apps .. all default app worked with the system wide proxy on my n810 Dec 18 20:44:48 Am just wondering whether I should force the connection off after a latitude update is sent? Dec 18 20:44:54 lardman: You mean a data connection? Dec 18 20:45:14 bigbrovar_: ah, maybe it was fixed then, no idea then Dec 18 20:45:32 fiferboy: yeah wifi or gsm/hsdpa data Dec 18 20:45:56 or however that acronym is spelled Dec 18 20:45:58 lardman: Yeah, I only ever have wifi when at home or work, no gprs Dec 18 20:46:08 lardman: thanks all the same Dec 18 20:46:09 never have gprs on? Dec 18 20:46:25 lardman: Not so far. $0.05/kB Dec 18 20:46:31 ah, true Dec 18 20:46:52 always on 3g for me Dec 18 20:46:58 I might actually get a good plan next week, but don't know if I want to shell out for unlimited Dec 18 20:47:01 well if it turned wifi on, would you switch it off when you're not using it? Dec 18 20:47:30 lardman: I guess if it wasn't on at the start it makes sense to turn it off again Dec 18 20:47:31 fiferboy: if you have wifi at home and work then you don't need much data, I've got a 500MB deal and I can't even manage a 10th of that Dec 18 20:47:43 lcukn900: ok, thanks Dec 18 20:47:57 lardman: Yeah, but the new provider around here only has unlimited right now :| Dec 18 20:48:06 fiferboy: yeah, shame the option to have the wifi switch itself off after some inactivity timeout is no longer there (afaict) Dec 18 20:48:12 fiferboy: oh I see Dec 18 20:48:37 But at least the new provder is AWS-compliant so I could get 3G :) Dec 18 20:49:16 lardman: Yeah, and the problem with temporarily switching on wifi is (potentially) the unit will start checking email, apt updates, etc Dec 18 20:49:47 indeed Dec 18 20:50:05 I don't think that is such a problem with switching on GPRS, is it? Dec 18 20:50:16 it will do the same over GPRS/3G Dec 18 20:50:56 But at least with email you can have it automatically update only on WLAN Dec 18 20:51:03 can you? Dec 18 20:51:05 I don't know about other apps Dec 18 20:51:07 oh right, never seen that Dec 18 20:51:19 mine doens't seem to update very often at all Dec 18 20:51:37 perhaps ~1500 emails in the inbox doesn't agree with it Dec 18 20:52:10 Yeah, my inbox is huge and it will sometimes take ~5 minutes to settle down after switching on wifi Dec 18 20:52:53 email? n900? not with modest Dec 18 20:53:11 needs must sometimes Dec 18 20:53:13 ;) Dec 18 20:55:58 hmm, is it possible to set the minimum distance moved before liblocation calls your callback fn? Dec 18 20:56:08 hrm post the link here then.. what's your blog? Dec 18 20:57:05 it's hard to get nokia to tell me if they associate the imei with the order number Dec 18 20:57:21 does it matter? Dec 18 20:57:30 anybody tried to return a different n900 than the one they received from nokia with success? Dec 18 20:58:02 lardman: it does because i could get my n900 replaced more quickly if they dont Dec 18 20:58:21 if they do and they get back a different phone, they'll probably be a bit stern Dec 18 20:59:58 up 2d5h so far, much better than sunday-tuesday Dec 18 21:01:17 this should be the correct format for SDL audio ... spec.format=AUDIO_S16SYS; Dec 18 21:02:08 hmmm does maemo mapper have some limit as to where one can put the offline map cache? Dec 18 21:02:23 or is there some external tool to generate a file for it Dec 18 21:02:42 ruskie: no limit, you can alter it in the settings Dec 18 21:02:48 hmm Dec 18 21:02:52 yet the db doesn't change Dec 18 21:02:56 you could probably also generate data for it, but it's in an sqlite db Dec 18 21:02:58 even if I'm scrolling around Dec 18 21:03:14 do you already have the data? Dec 18 21:03:31 also when I select manage maps it says I need to setup a valid map repository but that's setup Dec 18 21:03:38 unless I need to do something else Dec 18 21:03:44 hmm, sounds odd, dunno sorry Dec 18 21:04:37 jkimball4: I sent back my n900 from DDP and the new one is on a way to me Dec 18 21:05:40 hrw: was there a problem with the DDP one? Dec 18 21:06:16 lardman: bad pixels Dec 18 21:06:34 lardman: check my blog Dec 18 21:07:34 hrw: what's ddp? Dec 18 21:07:49 developers discount program Dec 18 21:07:51 hrw: ok Dec 18 21:07:57 ~ddp Dec 18 21:07:58 somebody said ddp was the Debian Documentation Project, at http://www.debian.org/~elphick/ddp/, but Datagram Delivery Protocol, using in providing AppleTalk services Dec 18 21:08:05 infobot: you're rubbish! Dec 18 21:08:25 hrw: what was wrong with yours? Dec 18 21:08:33 i bought mine from dell, but nokia has it in stock. i want to return the first n900 as a defective item under a new nokia order Dec 18 21:08:34 infobot: ddp is also Developers Discount Program by Nokia Dec 18 21:08:36 okay, hrw Dec 18 21:08:48 ah, you have to talk nicely to him :) Dec 18 21:08:54 Anidel: like I said - bad pixels Dec 18 21:09:08 hrw: sorry missed the line.. ah yes, I saw your post.. Dec 18 21:09:34 I wonder will DHL work tomorrow to deliveer me package or not Dec 18 21:10:09 hrw: same wondering here.. today no one was home Dec 18 21:10:49 they should though Dec 18 21:11:22 Anidel: I work from home Dec 18 21:11:51 hrw: I don't, but this was shipped to my girlfriend's parent in Italy as I am flying there on sunday Dec 18 21:12:05 I should have sent it here.. anyway Dec 18 21:12:07 ah.. Dec 18 21:12:25 Anidel: Nokia sends stuff with 'to your hands only' Dec 18 21:12:50 hrw: we'll see Dec 18 21:13:13 if not tomorrow, I am pretty sure they won't deliver on Sunday.. and on Monday I'll be there anyway Dec 18 21:15:55 ~ddp Dec 18 21:15:57 ddp is, like, the Debian Documentation Project, at http://www.debian.org/~elphick/ddp/, but Datagram Delivery Protocol, using in providing AppleTalk services. Developers Discount Program by Nokia Dec 18 21:17:08 hrw, Device Discount Program Dec 18 21:17:34 GAN900: Disaster Developer Program too Dec 18 21:18:05 * GAN900 is no developer. Dec 18 21:18:10 swap the Disaster and Developer there, unless you've heard about my earthquake generation app ;) Dec 18 21:18:30 infobot: no, ddp is the Debian Documentation Project, at http://www.debian.org/~elphick/ddp/ but also Datagram Delivery Protocol, using in providing AppleTalk services, also Device Discount Program by Nokia Dec 18 21:18:32 okay, hrw Dec 18 21:18:35 ~ddp Dec 18 21:18:36 extra, extra, read all about it, ddp is the Debian Documentation Project, at http://www.debian.org/~elphick/ddp/ but also Datagram Delivery Protocol, using in providing AppleTalk services, also Device Discount Program by Nokia Dec 18 21:18:57  Results 1 - 3 of 3 for nokia "Developers Discount Program". hmm Dec 18 21:18:58 feel free to rephrase it to more proper englsh Dec 18 21:19:24 hrw: sounds fine Dec 18 21:19:33 jebba: what you got? I got my blog on 6th place Dec 18 21:19:46 huh? Dec 18 21:20:33 Good evening (or whatever it is wherever u are) fellas! Dec 18 21:20:43 ~ugt Dec 18 21:20:47 ugt is, like, Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Dec 18 21:20:52 ~n900 Dec 18 21:20:54 [n900] OMAP3430, HD camera, HSPA, Maemo 5 (Fremantle), probably Summer 2009 (or later) Dec 18 21:20:59 ~gan900 Dec 18 21:20:59 Solarion: morning cpscotti Dec 18 21:21:00 :p Dec 18 21:21:09 ~curse autocompletion Dec 18 21:21:11 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, autocompletion ! Dec 18 21:21:13 good morning Dec 18 21:21:20 "probably Summer 2009 (or later)" Dec 18 21:21:21 heya Dec 18 21:21:23 ~hrw Dec 18 21:21:24 it has been said that hrw is Marcin Juszkiewicz - OpenEmbedded/Poky developer Dec 18 21:21:25 ha-ha! Dec 18 21:21:35 ~wazd Dec 18 21:21:38 infobot: forget n900 Dec 18 21:21:39 hrw: i forgot n900 Dec 18 21:21:48 :) Dec 18 21:22:03 ~factinfo n900 Dec 18 21:22:04 there's no such factoid as n900, hrw Dec 18 21:22:07 infobot: forget infobot Dec 18 21:22:08 i forgot infobot, wazd_n800 Dec 18 21:22:13 ~factinfo hrw Dec 18 21:22:14 hrw -- last modified at Tue Apr 8 14:18:21 2008 by hrw!n=hrw@ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl; it has been requested 3 times, last by hrw, 49s ago. Dec 18 21:22:18 ;D Dec 18 21:22:24 cool Dec 18 21:23:39 ~jebba Dec 18 21:23:53 ~factinfo jebba Dec 18 21:23:53 hmm. Dec 18 21:23:54 Anidel: there's no such factoid as jebba Dec 18 21:23:56 ~factinfo anidel Dec 18 21:23:56 Anidel: there's no such factoid as anidel Dec 18 21:24:16 ah i thought it was googling it and parsing something, but you register with it apparently. Dec 18 21:24:18 ~factinfo wazd Dec 18 21:24:18 there's no such factoid as wazd, wazd_n800 Dec 18 21:24:28 infobot: anidel is Aniello Dec 18 21:24:30 Anidel: okay Dec 18 21:24:31 ~factinfo anidel Dec 18 21:24:32 anidel -- created by Anidel 2s ago. Dec 18 21:24:36 ~anidel Dec 18 21:24:37 Hmm.. A friend of mine is complaining about recieving my texts 4-5 times. Is this a known bug? Dec 18 21:24:38 i heard anidel is Aniello Dec 18 21:24:44 ah ah.. Dec 18 21:24:50 Hey.. am I the only one annoyed by the thousand gcompris-lang files whenever I go browse the reps? Dec 18 21:24:59 I'm also a city somewhere in Africa ;) Dec 18 21:24:59 eitreach, not sure, but it could by your carrier's fault Dec 18 21:25:05 mine does stupid things like that Dec 18 21:25:08 infobot: anidel is Aniello Del Sorbo - open source developer, author of the port of Xournal for Maemo Dec 18 21:25:09 ...but anidel is already something else... Dec 18 21:25:14 prrr Dec 18 21:25:22 infobot: forget anidel Dec 18 21:25:22 jaem, alright. I'll contact them in the morning, then. Dec 18 21:25:23 i forgot anidel, Anidel Dec 18 21:25:24 infobot: anidel is Aniello Del Sorbo - open source developer, author of the port of Xournal for Maemo Dec 18 21:25:26 okay, Anidel Dec 18 21:25:27 eitreach: at the beginning I was receiving sms 4 times... Dec 18 21:25:29 the same.. Dec 18 21:25:30 there it is Dec 18 21:25:34 ~anidel Dec 18 21:25:36 [anidel] Aniello Del Sorbo - open source developer, author of the port of Xournal for Maemo Dec 18 21:25:41 good boy Dec 18 21:25:54 (but no one complained about.. and this disappeared after some 2 days Dec 18 21:25:54 ) Dec 18 21:25:55 ~lardman Dec 18 21:26:04 eitreach, if it is, good luck Dec 18 21:26:14 infobot: Xournal is a note taking application ported to Maemo by Anidel Dec 18 21:26:15 infobot: wazd is The Greatest Prince of the Universe Dec 18 21:26:16 okay, Anidel Dec 18 21:26:17 okay, wazd_n800 Dec 18 21:26:20 we should get infobot to parse maemo.org Dec 18 21:26:22 :D Dec 18 21:26:23 eheh Dec 18 21:26:25 Telus (for me) is just broken half of the time, so that's why things like that happen Dec 18 21:27:29 infobot: n900 is a wooden box with stained cans inside Dec 18 21:27:30 okay, wazd_n800 Dec 18 21:27:46 lardman: ok.. but forget about the garage part! bc if that is already totally jammed, imagine putting some bots to parse it.. Dec 18 21:28:24 ~infobot Dec 18 21:29:11 infobot: infobot is The coolest Dec 18 21:29:13 Anidel: okay Dec 18 21:29:17 ~infobot Dec 18 21:29:19 i guess infobot is The coolest Dec 18 21:29:23 eheh Dec 18 21:29:38 ~wazd Dec 18 21:29:40 methinks wazd is The Greatest Prince of the Universe Dec 18 21:29:53 infobot, ah, good boy :) Dec 18 21:29:54 aw, gee, wazd_n800 Dec 18 21:30:12 I am too serious Dec 18 21:30:15 ~anidel Dec 18 21:30:16 rumour has it, anidel is Aniello Del Sorbo - open source developer, author of the port of Xournal for Maemo Dec 18 21:30:22 indeed Dec 18 21:30:33 ~me Dec 18 21:30:39 I could really do with a glass of wine Dec 18 21:31:01 should installing packages over a network work in Maemo5 and if so will it also resolve dependencies? Dec 18 21:31:20 nhg1 with apt-get yes Dec 18 21:31:52 woglinde: nhg1: and thus the App. Manager also Dec 18 21:32:11 cpscotti I know Dec 18 21:32:26 because its uses apt-get Dec 18 21:32:35 works behind firewalls etc? Dec 18 21:32:46 with some http_proxy? Dec 18 21:32:57 Is there a way to set an alarm for an event 2 hours before? Dec 18 21:32:57 apt-get honors http_proxy Dec 18 21:33:10 VDVsx, around? Dec 18 21:33:48 Hi guys am unable to refresh or install any application on my n900 ( which i just got today) it seems the application manager does not respect the systemwide proxy. does anyone else have this issue? and how can i file a bug? Dec 18 21:34:55 I am afraid that I will not finish my blog post about next firmware things. Nokia Maemo team did lot of good work on fixing bugs Dec 18 21:35:18 here's a deal => http://www.generalcommunicationstore.org/servlet/the-41/Nokia-N900-Media-Tablet/Detail Dec 18 21:35:28 too good to be true probably Dec 18 21:36:06 hrw: good to hear the latter Dec 18 21:36:08 Seems a leetle cheap Dec 18 21:36:29 If you in fact have a credit card that covers non-delivery - then go for it Dec 18 21:36:45 jkimball4: it is scam rather then shop Dec 18 21:37:18 hrw: i figure so.. that's why i posted mostly :) Dec 18 21:37:18 * hardaker uploads his first packages into -devel Dec 18 21:37:26 s/es/e/ Dec 18 21:38:24 I find it odd they claim to be UK Dec 18 21:39:30 heya!! Dec 18 21:40:20 ok, gtg, later guys Dec 18 21:43:03 I am trying to file a bug on this but I dont know if it is a connectivity bug or what category would fit. if this is a bug then it would be regression Dec 18 21:43:54 bigbrovar_: see if other apps are also affected, if not file it against the app manager Dec 18 21:44:42 lardman: well other apps are affected but does are known issues .. I havent seen one on the app manager before Dec 18 21:45:09 hahaha Dec 18 21:45:24 lardman: its a real deal breaker not to be able to install on the N900. its a problem i never had on the N810 :( Dec 18 21:45:31 I got on the front page of Hack a Day, and got half as many hits in one day as I have total Dec 18 21:45:36 that's the way to do it :D Dec 18 21:45:51 jaem: remember to put adwords on before doing that Dec 18 21:45:58 SpeedEvil, lol Dec 18 21:46:17 ~680 hits overnight, which for my blog is pretty darn good Dec 18 21:46:19 wow.. my bugzilla query reports 108 bugs closed Dec 18 21:46:19 jaem: I think you lost me on that one Dec 18 21:46:25 >_< Dec 18 21:46:46 '... brainstorm' ? Dec 18 21:46:52 SpeedEvil, the hits graph just goes ---------------------*THUNK* Dec 18 21:46:56 jaem: which one is yours? Dec 18 21:47:09 ali1234, http://hackaday.com/2009/12/18/bluetooth-bracelet-hacked/ Dec 18 21:47:17 they're quick! Dec 18 21:47:24 i recognise that yellow and blue oled screen :) Dec 18 21:47:29 I sent them the message at 3am ish Dec 18 21:47:37 there's no yellow on it Dec 18 21:47:42 how odd Dec 18 21:47:58 i have an oled that has a yellow stripe at the top just like the bit that says "bluetooth" :) Dec 18 21:48:02 it's almost EL-bluegreen, but it appears to be OLED, and they say it is Dec 18 21:48:14 ali1234, I've seen screens like that, but not this one Dec 18 21:50:47 moooooooooo Dec 18 21:50:54 * jaem moos back Dec 18 21:51:14 hi jaem Dec 18 21:51:21 lcuk, morning Dec 18 21:51:42 I'm trying to think of good uses for this bracelet display Dec 18 21:51:46 is there anywhere to get official support for the N900 beside the community. I am having a real show stopper issue here and i cant even install or use the app manager Dec 18 21:52:16 does Modest use DBus signals when a new e-mail comes in? Dec 18 21:52:31 bigbrovar_, you could try contacting Nokia I guess Dec 18 21:52:37 what's the issue? Dec 18 21:52:38 weather applet is broken: you can't have -0 degrees Dec 18 21:52:54 jkimball4, well, you can, but it's not usually used Dec 18 21:53:00 jaem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37713 Dec 18 21:53:10 I mean, 0 degrees is implicitly positive, and that's fairly arbitrary Dec 18 21:53:21 but yes, stylistically it isn't great Dec 18 21:53:42 bigbrovar_, I'll take a look Dec 18 21:53:50 jaem: thanks Dec 18 21:53:57 jaem: I think you're mistaken. zero is neither positive or negative. Dec 18 21:54:01 yeah Dec 18 21:54:05 jkimball4, I realize Dec 18 21:54:07 depending on which direction you close from Dec 18 21:54:22 the weather applet isn't doing calculus Dec 18 21:54:34 but when we write "0", by all normal numerical conventions we're putting an implicit positive sign in front of it Dec 18 21:55:00 it's not technically either, but given the implicit convention, we are anyway Dec 18 21:55:06 yes, when it's not written Dec 18 21:55:20 but when it is written, then it's negative Dec 18 21:55:21 jkimball4: or is it both? :-P Dec 18 21:55:41 bigbrovar_, I need a bit more detail Dec 18 21:56:01 does your school require a proxy, or is this just for privacy/security reasons? Dec 18 21:56:07 jaem: just let me know how i can help out Dec 18 21:56:37 jaem: yeah we do, port 80 is blocked so all internet traffic has to go thru the web proxy Dec 18 21:56:43 ah, yikes Dec 18 21:57:05 jaem: the proxy helps us to manage our tiny bandwidth Dec 18 21:57:17 sounds like a lousy firewall to me Dec 18 21:57:21 well, if HAM is not respecting your proxy settings, that's something to file a bug about Dec 18 21:57:27 jaem: fyi app mananger works very well on the N810 Dec 18 21:57:28 but we haven't established that Dec 18 21:57:35 even with the proxy Dec 18 21:57:39 hrm Dec 18 21:57:46 so do none of the packages refresh, then? Dec 18 21:57:55 package lists* Dec 18 21:58:12 jaem: yeah non .. I can even find any application in the package list Dec 18 21:58:22 but using apt-get works? Dec 18 21:58:48 jaem: would have to export http_proxy but i havent tried that Dec 18 21:58:56 yay, i finally got things at least sorta workable.... gonna reboot and hope it clears up even more Dec 18 21:58:58 jaem: hold on let me try Dec 18 21:58:59 rootfs 227.8M 192.8M 30.8M 86% / Dec 18 21:59:11 bigbrovar_, would you mind trying it? Granted it's not ideal as a solution, but it would help with troubleshooting Dec 18 21:59:12 had to relocat my /var/cache/apt/archives/ Dec 18 21:59:30 it oculnd't install because it couldn't even grab the archive :) Dec 18 21:59:54 bigbrovar_, I'll be back momentarily Dec 18 22:00:20 Hey.. what happens when ur app at extras-testing gets the much anticipated 10 votes? U go to the pub and get drunk or is there some other hidden step? Dec 18 22:01:02 cpscotti, you make sure any other code you need to do is done *before* you go get drunk ;) Dec 18 22:01:17 nah, coding when drunk is more efficient Dec 18 22:01:53 jaem: one problem, i cant install root Dec 18 22:02:06 jaem: so am in a bit of catch 22 Dec 18 22:02:15 bigbrovar_: do you have a PC? Dec 18 22:02:25 or, does the browser work? Dec 18 22:02:33 lardman: yeah i do Dec 18 22:02:35 Ballmer peak obligatory ref? http://www.xkcd.org/323/ Dec 18 22:02:43 lardman: yeah it works Dec 18 22:03:00 bigbrovar_: you could grab the rootsh package from the repo directly to install it Dec 18 22:03:04 You can download the rootsh .deb file and install it on the device in red pill mode if you can't get the package otherwise Dec 18 22:03:07 that's what i had to do Dec 18 22:03:11 I don't think it has deps that need to be met from the repo Dec 18 22:03:15 but thhen after that, you don't need red pill at all Dec 18 22:03:24 jaem: well.. all the code is there for the last 2 versions which were pretty much changing description and stuff.. lol Dec 18 22:03:27 even for installing from a .deb you can just use dpkg once root is there Dec 18 22:03:36 cpscotti, lol Dec 18 22:03:48 lardman: i would need root wont i? u mean dpkg -i Dec 18 22:03:59 yes Dec 18 22:04:05 or install via the web? Dec 18 22:04:09 but if you reread what i was saying Dec 18 22:04:28 bigbrovar_, could you wait until you're at home, install rootsh, and then fiddle with it? Dec 18 22:04:32 that might be simpler Dec 18 22:04:46 el_zilcho: thanks will try that Dec 18 22:04:50 its not really difficult once you have a .deb file on the device Dec 18 22:05:19 just remember to go back to blue pill once the rootsh install is done Dec 18 22:07:37 my wifi was DOA so i was in a similar boat Dec 18 22:08:01 bbl Dec 18 22:16:44 81 bugs fixed for next firmware releases Dec 18 22:17:35 bug 4728 Dec 18 22:17:37 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4728 Remove trailing comma in enum Dec 18 22:18:20 nice Dec 18 22:18:35 when launching our app from a commandline it starts noticeably faster than starting from a desktop icon (N900) Dec 18 22:18:51 any ideas about how we can speed up desktop startup? Dec 18 22:19:06 is dbus doing something? or expecting something? Dec 18 22:20:41 whats that 2mb quake3 in devel? :p Dec 18 22:22:34 oh and Dec 18 22:23:02 digg widget - nothing happends when i add on the desktop Dec 18 22:25:38 red: ever wondered why it's -5 karma? Dec 18 22:25:54 am getting this error when i refresh the app manager #n900 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/002/./Packages could not resolve host: downloads.maemo.nokia.com ( domain name not found) Dec 18 22:26:25 cpscotti: where do i see the karma? :) i must be blind Dec 18 22:27:06 red: http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ Dec 18 22:27:54 http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2009/12/18/what-will-next-firmware-release-for-n900-bringsk/ Dec 18 22:28:15 read, comment, mark it as favorite on planet.maemo.org etc Dec 18 22:28:37 okay Dec 18 22:28:59 btw which do u guys prefer, pidgin or butterfly? Dec 18 22:29:00 took a bit to create list but it was worth it I think Dec 18 22:29:13 red: for what? Dec 18 22:29:15 hi guys Dec 18 22:29:55 could i ask you something off topic? Dec 18 22:30:06 i've a trouble with a Nokia E75 Dec 18 22:30:52 someone could help me? Dec 18 22:31:16 "There is currently no access to these internal, non-public build versions." nice understanding of openness again Dec 18 22:32:48 el_zilcho: el_zilcho jaem lardman: I seem to be having problem with only the Nokia official repository because i was able to add the maemo extro repo and even install from it .. using the app manager but i get this error http://pastebin.com/m1a4ff58c Dec 18 22:33:40 PaulFertser: sources are open and available - you are free to build them Dec 18 22:33:56 Shitty skype mentioned 3 times, hardware gps problems 0 times... Dec 18 22:34:03 ok, bye Dec 18 22:34:13 PaulFertser: ever reported gps bugs? Dec 18 22:34:27 PaulFertser: I love how users complain instead of reporting bugs Dec 18 22:35:10 3833 Request for information to allow hooking into A-GPS location framework Dec 18 22:35:10 5337 Maps can't get GPS lock without network connection when the GPS lock acquiring would take longer Dec 18 22:35:14 5586 Connection to Bluetooth GPS repeatedly lost while scanning for or connecting to wireless networks Dec 18 22:35:17 6584 GPS geotagged pictures truncate precision of GPS reading. Dec 18 22:35:19 7016 Black squares for thumbnails in Image Viewer for up to 50 minutes when GPS cannot get a fix Dec 18 22:35:23 7026 Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view Dec 18 22:35:29 PaulFertser: check those bug reports? Dec 18 22:36:35 bigbrovar_: i had a problem like that which I worked around by manually setting the DNS server addresses for my wifi connection to my ISPs DNS servers, and not to the usual DNS servers on my LAN. If it updates OK over a cellular connection, but not wifi, then you may have a similar issue. Dec 18 22:37:09 hrw: yes, 7026 is the most interesting here. Dec 18 22:37:39 hrw: msn. does pidgin integrate into contacts the same way? merged ppl when butterfly opened first time Dec 18 22:37:43 hrw: I think the cutoff week for the next ssu was BEFORE ww50 though Dec 18 22:38:09 fnordianslip: hmm that could well be it. can u please come again. I didnt quite get your walk around Dec 18 22:38:23 fnordianslip: is there a way to set dns on the n900 Dec 18 22:38:51 resolv.conf? Dec 18 22:38:52 bigbrovar_: yep, do it for the specific wifi connection you are using, need to recall the process though, hang on Dec 18 22:38:56 nope Dec 18 22:39:03 ok Dec 18 22:39:24 bigbrovar_: Settings->Internet Connections Dec 18 22:39:35 hrw: and yes, i haven't followed it lately, the december activity looks promising. It's just that it was reported two months ago and was ignored with something like "please use AGPS" comment. Dec 18 22:39:50 bigbrovar_: then Connections button, then choose your connection Dec 18 22:40:20 hrw: (building images oneself) why not just publish the test versions? If it's all open, it shouldn't be an issue unless you're having severe bandwidth/storage issues which i doubt. Dec 18 22:40:25 red: never used msn. I use jabber, icq, skype (that order) and all from Contacts Dec 18 22:40:29 bigbrovar_: then Edit, Next,Next,Next, then Advanced, IP Addresses Tab Dec 18 22:40:42 PaulFertser: ask them? Dec 18 22:41:13 hrw: whom? those building test images? No idea who they are, sorry. I'd ask if i knew them. Dec 18 22:41:18 PaulFertser: after few years in software business I understand their lack of releasing testing stuff Dec 18 22:41:33 PaulFertser: maemo software team @ nokia Dec 18 22:42:01 * hrw -> sleep now Dec 18 22:42:06 hrw: other distros release unstable versions... Dec 18 22:42:06 have a nice evening Dec 18 22:42:10 hrw: you too :) Dec 18 22:42:13 hrw: good night :) Dec 18 22:42:18 PaulFertser: since when maemo is sane distro? Dec 18 22:42:36 hrw: how well does pidgin react to roaming between wlan/gprs and autoreconnecting? Dec 18 22:42:38 * PaulFertser wished maemo was a sane distro Dec 18 22:42:52 butterfly seems mildly buggy at that Dec 18 22:42:53 "bug 6877: Pin / lock code entry dialog reveals digits on backspace Á Dec 18 22:42:53 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6877 Pin / lock code entry dialog reveals digits on backspace Dec 18 22:42:55 fnordianslip: thanks mate I have seen it now Dec 18 22:42:59 * RST38h rotfls a little bit Dec 18 22:43:07 bigbrovar_: np Dec 18 22:43:08 ah gn Dec 18 22:43:39 red: never used Dec 18 22:43:40 bye Dec 18 22:45:48 fnordianslip: thanks that seem to have fixed it Dec 18 22:46:02 bigbrovar_: excellent Dec 18 22:46:13 bigbrovar_, got it working? Dec 18 22:47:40 jaem: it was a dns issue, appearantly i have to manually setup my dns .. thanks to fnordianslip: for pointing me out Dec 18 22:48:01 jaem: fnordianslip: any of u guys on twitter identica? Dec 18 22:48:14 bigbrovar_, \o/ Good to know Dec 18 22:48:15 (gps bug) well, at least one important person @nokia reproduced it but it's unclear if anything will be done about it. Probably it'll be the same as with n810. Dec 18 22:48:15 cheers Dec 18 22:48:20 * fnordianslip no twitter Dec 18 22:48:26 anybody here tried scaling with hildonanimationactor yet? http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Porting_Software/Scaling_Fixed_Size_Windows Dec 18 22:49:14 jaem: thanks Dec 18 22:51:21 is it possible to play divx video w/ subs? Dec 18 22:53:43 how does that bluetooth tether app work? Dec 18 23:11:36 wow, aircrack-ng, finally. is packet injection supported? Dec 18 23:13:08 PaulFerster, don't troll. Dec 18 23:16:14 hrw|gone, I think we're probably looking at w47 or 48 Dec 18 23:24:02 Hm Dec 18 23:24:03 i wonder if i can get free unfettered wifi from mcD's if i spoof a Nintendo DS mac address Dec 18 23:24:14 * pupnik sees gan and tries desperately to remember question Dec 18 23:25:54 pupnik, whatever it was, no. :P Dec 18 23:26:59 hi all Dec 18 23:31:09 Hello, I just received my n900 and is not booting, any ideas? Dec 18 23:31:35 Guest47222: charge the battery Dec 18 23:31:49 is charged Dec 18 23:32:21 you can't fool me qwerty Dec 18 23:32:40 it starts booting and then nothing happens Dec 18 23:33:08 reinstall your printer drivers Dec 18 23:33:21 Guest47222: weird. try reflashing it.. Dec 18 23:33:47 how if it's not booting? Dec 18 23:35:41 it doesn't need to boot to flash it with pc Dec 18 23:36:01 if you don't know how to do it, see maemo.org wiki or google maemo flashing Dec 18 23:40:12 n900 is here finally Dec 18 23:43:19 :) Dec 18 23:51:33 re Dec 18 23:53:27 thanks cosmo_, I'll try it Dec 18 23:54:10 lol Dec 18 23:58:25 Ceiling cat hey? Dec 19 00:10:50 damnit Dec 19 00:11:03 http://trinary.ru/projects/calendar/trinary <| kalendarz binarny w wersji dla programistów PL/SQL Dec 19 00:11:06 2 unexpected reboots since starting my n900 Dec 19 00:13:19 I've never had any unexpected unexplained reboots. Dec 19 00:13:41 SpeedEvil: have you had expected unexplained reboots? Dec 19 00:13:42 as in not explained by holding down the power switch for too long Dec 19 00:13:56 ive seen a few Dec 19 00:13:56 I wasn't expecting it to do that. Dec 19 00:14:02 err Dec 19 00:14:06 had strange bug today if anyones interested Dec 19 00:14:09 yeah Dec 19 00:14:19 on conversation window i had unanswered phone call Dec 19 00:14:20 what bug Dec 19 00:14:25 and could not remove that Dec 19 00:14:40 on maemo site there was fix tho: call that number and then try remove it again Dec 19 00:14:41 fsck... reboot #3 Dec 19 00:14:42 worked after Dec 19 00:14:44 this sux Dec 19 00:14:48 i sometimes get conversation window when i type in xterm Dec 19 00:15:08 for the starters there should be no call logs on conv window :) Dec 19 00:15:14 maybe i am miskeying smth Dec 19 00:15:17 happily that solution fixed it Dec 19 00:15:32 ahh yes Dec 19 00:15:59 brb Dec 19 00:26:04 i am going to the Nokia store tomorrow to get my N900 :D :D :D for i have cancelled my expansys order Dec 19 00:26:21 heh gz Dec 19 00:26:46 expansys were taking too long :| Dec 19 00:29:32 kulve: Ping. Dec 19 00:30:33 seen matts Dec 19 00:30:40 oops Dec 19 00:30:46 wrong server/chan Dec 19 00:33:23 an Dec 19 00:33:50 Ugh @ bug #5388 Dec 19 00:33:51 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5388 Allow keyboard input to jump to an entry in a list ("type ahead") Dec 19 00:34:46 GAN900: I was on the verge of submitting that Dec 19 00:35:11 GAN900: well - it had come to mind - I'd never actually gotten past 'argh'. Dec 19 00:36:34 GAN900: ugh? Dec 19 00:37:59 hi Dec 19 00:42:31 lardman, resolution fight. Dec 19 00:42:56 im trying to reflash my n900 but nothing happens when i run flasher.exe (with or without parameters) from cmd as admin. using vista sp2 32-bit Dec 19 00:43:01 can we get the actual key number instead of keysym? Dec 19 00:43:05 GAN900: as in resolving the bug? Dec 19 00:43:39 GAN900: the bug should at least have been resolved with a release image number imho Dec 19 00:43:42 lardman, resolve, "No, I don't have access to the internal builds!" reopen, resolve. Dec 19 00:43:46 so a game dpad could be the nine keys on the righthand side of the keyboard Dec 19 00:43:48 Meh Dec 19 00:43:57 hi Dec 19 00:43:58 pissing in the wind Dec 19 00:44:00 lardman, that's never the case. Dec 19 00:44:19 RESOLVED means it's committed to the codebase. Dec 19 00:44:27 hmm, I've seen that stated though in previous bugs - fixed in week #-x. etc Dec 19 00:44:33 Not that it's been released Dec 19 00:44:41 and the week number can change. Dec 19 00:44:46 Tommy999: needs to be plugged in to computer? Dec 19 00:44:55 yeah, that's certainly true Dec 19 00:45:04 It may or may not have anything to do with the shipping version Dec 19 00:45:08 what do i have to do when i get this error in scratchbox? "E: The method driver /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found." when i want to do a apt-get update? Dec 19 00:45:21 pupnik: it is Dec 19 00:45:24 Stuff can be integrated into an older week or dropped Dec 19 00:45:29 So, meh. Dec 19 00:45:38 but as with the "Fixed in Fremantle" stuff, it should be resolved with a "fixed in 52-999", etc. Dec 19 00:45:49 it says nokia with usb icon in corner Dec 19 00:45:50 OnJen: scratchbox you setup or scratchbox from maemo sdk VM? Dec 19 00:46:24 Tommy999: no ideas here sorry Dec 19 00:46:31 ok ty anyway Dec 19 00:46:36 well Dec 19 00:46:44 if you run flasher.exe without parameters isnt it supposed to show me the help Dec 19 00:46:50 lardman, ideally, but I wouldn't get in a resolution battle over it. ;) Dec 19 00:46:50 was n900 off when you started flasher? Dec 19 00:47:09 GAN900: no, because I know it will lead nowhere Dec 19 00:47:13 pupnik: from maemo sdk Dec 19 00:47:23 ive tried it every way possible Dec 19 00:47:54 OnJen: i cant apt-get within armel target atm either. i pull in packages by hand Dec 19 00:48:16 but i use the premade vmdk, to avoid such problems Dec 19 00:48:20 so i have to get all qt packages per hand? Dec 19 00:48:51 or fix the error Dec 19 00:49:48 anyone knows if it is possible to add the n900 source to apt-cacher? Dec 19 00:50:04 mm? Dec 19 00:50:32 you can use apt on the tablet just like normal, and you can add the sdk and tools repository Dec 19 00:51:17 yeah my issue is that am having issues refreshing sourcelist Dec 19 00:51:34 when i do only the maemo extra update Dec 19 00:51:34 bigbrovar_: me too Dec 19 00:51:43 nokia default repo doesnt :( Dec 19 00:51:50 * cpscotti is puzzled by my second random reboot in three weeks....: skype call + VERY INTENSE network traffic on local wifi.. is this pattern common for someone? or is it just random? Dec 19 00:52:14 I tot i fixed it guess not Dec 19 00:52:23 OnJen: you have same problem? Dec 19 00:52:27 32wd_to =/ Dec 19 00:52:54 bigbrovar_: i get an error for apt-get update Dec 19 00:53:10 OnJen: same here Dec 19 00:53:48 OnJen: update gives me some errors and using the application manager gives me this http://pastebin.com/m1a4ff58c Dec 19 00:55:04 bigbrovar_: my update manager only give me numbers as error ^^ Dec 19 00:55:49 your DNS is having troubles then Dec 19 00:56:16 lardman: I guess so.. but am wondering what the issue could be Dec 19 00:56:37 though you may get errors for apt-get update for the extras repos as the servers have been having troubles re-generating the Packages files iirc Dec 19 00:56:53 bigbrovar_: no ideas, sorry Dec 19 00:57:01 lardman: using 3G works fine though so its defo a dns issue.. mybe the https* because i obversed that the mameo extra repo is just http Dec 19 00:57:27 hmm, I get permission error in a browser on the PC Dec 19 00:57:30 lardman: i know this sound stupid but will removing the s from https work Dec 19 00:57:43 in app manager? Dec 19 00:57:56 not sure, is it a built-in repo? Dec 19 00:58:01 no from terminal using vi to edit the source Dec 19 00:58:16 hmm, dunno Dec 19 00:58:16 you can edit the repo details in app-manager Dec 19 00:58:19 but I guess not Dec 19 00:58:33 if it's built-in I suppose it should be like that Dec 19 00:59:02 has anyone compiled and flashed a newer kernel on the n900? everything compiles ok but no booting Dec 19 00:59:46 * jaem moos Dec 19 01:00:57 bizzle1: perhaps you could nlog or post with derails Dec 19 01:01:15 details Dec 19 01:02:25 lardman: updating from terminal using apt-get update works fine Dec 19 01:02:47 lardman: I just wonder why the app man freaks out lol Dec 19 01:03:27 ?? Dec 19 01:04:47 I'm using kernel 2.6.32.1 stable, cross compiled using rx51_defconfig, your gonna have to help me with nlog Dec 19 01:06:04 blog Dec 19 01:06:08 sorry Dec 19 01:06:26 or maemo-devel list Dec 19 01:06:30 ahh Dec 19 01:06:31 ok Dec 19 01:06:46 someone else could follow your steps and maybe help Dec 19 01:08:35 bigbrovar_: very odd Dec 19 01:08:58 good luck with sorting it, bed time for me Dec 19 01:09:00 night all Dec 19 01:09:15 lardman: thanks Dec 19 01:11:53 why, why does aplay work and sdl not Dec 19 01:12:54 btw, it loks like the pulseaudio entry in events directory does the man-in-the middle insertion Dec 19 01:14:19 is it just my imagination, or is tmo starting to seem saner again? Dec 19 01:17:01 probably, now that most of the early adopters have their hardware Dec 19 01:17:12 or sent it back Dec 19 01:17:18 and people grow immune to trollbait Dec 19 01:17:22 that too Dec 19 01:17:40 what universe does that hapapen in? Dec 19 01:17:43 I am quite happy with mine, however Dec 19 01:17:51 glad to hear it Dec 19 01:18:53 things will be bwtter when they fix the bug in the powe management causing watchdog reboots Dec 19 01:19:16 but the workaround I used worked great Dec 19 01:19:22 is that why my N900 reboots randomly? Dec 19 01:19:29 or.. rebooted randomly. It only happened once, so far. Dec 19 01:19:30 probably Dec 19 01:19:35 well Dec 19 01:19:40 maybe Dec 19 01:19:49 mine never has. i feel lucky Dec 19 01:19:53 oh well.. I'm more worried about the media player. Dec 19 01:20:09 its called panic and /rtc/rc0.d/halt executes .. Dec 19 01:20:20 rts etc^ Dec 19 01:20:31 penguinbait: greets. so whats ccoking in pengiunland. much? Dec 19 01:20:44 s/ccoking/cooking Dec 19 01:20:48 d'oh Dec 19 01:22:22 trying to give that bird wings thats whats cooking.. Dec 19 01:25:02 * fnordianslip wonders what penguins taste like. they can't be as nice as Dodos. Dec 19 01:25:49 lets drop the bird already. Dec 19 01:26:22 ok, but only if you drop the "already" already :) Dec 19 01:27:14 its called being a jerk? Dec 19 01:27:54 alright than. Dec 19 01:28:14 * fnordianslip is confused Dec 19 01:37:52 whats the difference in /tmp and /var/tmp? Dec 19 01:40:40 that /tmp appears in fstab and is a tmpfs mount and /var/tmp is what?.. blah .. :p Dec 19 01:40:44 /var Dec 19 01:41:18 and what does /var stand for? again.. Dec 19 01:45:42 /var/tmp generally holds larger data Dec 19 01:45:54 whereas /tmp holds more smaller stuff Dec 19 01:46:14 for example, Gentoo uses /var/tmp for it's build directories Dec 19 01:46:32 whereas X11 uses /tmp for its UNIX sockets Dec 19 01:49:01 /tmp tends to be mounted as tmpfs on modern distros Dec 19 01:49:32 (think of tmpfs as of a ramdisk) Dec 19 01:53:49 maemo-developers is mecca for answers Dec 19 01:54:19 lots of blood on the tracks though Dec 19 01:54:28 to mix metaphors with Dylan Dec 19 01:55:48 gowd damn developers always causin train wrecks Dec 19 02:04:26 Couldn't take the slow ssh anymore Dec 19 02:09:00 how clutter works http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-March/018645.html Dec 19 02:09:52 is there news of when to expect firmware 1.1 for n900? Dec 19 02:11:47 1.1? you'd want to update OS2005? Dec 19 02:14:02 pupnik, December, supposedly. Dec 19 02:14:18 arachnist, PR1.1. :) Dec 19 02:19:49 GAN900: next year? ;P Dec 19 02:26:56 Public/Production Release Dec 19 02:45:10 GAN900: thanks, that saves me work Dec 19 02:48:18 Tired of Negroes and their monkeyshines? Join us on Chimpout Forum! At Chimpout Forum we are NOT WHITE SUPREMACISTS. Chimpout Forum welcomes the rainbow diversity of the human race with open arms, including Asians, non-negroid Hispanics, Semites, Jews, Whites, Indians, Native Americans, Turks, Polynesians, Saami, etc. Basically we welcome anybody who isn't a fecal-colored niggroid AFRICOON! Join us in the epic battle of HUMANS Dec 19 02:48:18 VS NIGGGGGGERS! http://www.chimpout.com/forum Dec 19 02:56:24 -/etc/init.d/ has clean-tmp-dirs script - echo "Cleaning up /var/tmp" rm -rf /var/tmp/* so only var/tmp is flushed. oss-af-startup package .. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Dec 19 02:59:56 2009