**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 23 02:59:57 2009 Dec 23 03:00:02 I imagine many will do the same Dec 23 03:00:09 Most people want tons of room for applications Dec 23 03:00:10 but can the camera record directly to microsd? Dec 23 03:00:22 they want to walk through the valley of the shadow of death without internet but still have games to play. Dec 23 03:00:40 drnoksnes, roms on MyDocs Dec 23 03:00:45 ali1234, vfat limit is at best 4G Dec 23 03:00:50 why need more? Dec 23 03:00:57 you cannot make camera video bigger than 4gb? Dec 23 03:01:05 i never tried Dec 23 03:01:11 what if you want to record more than one video? Dec 23 03:01:18 vfat is very limited in file size? Why need a filesystem that is bigger than the biggest file you can put on it? Dec 23 03:01:23 someone should try that i guess Dec 23 03:01:23 you could also move em but I mean Dec 23 03:01:29 are we talking about doing a movie here? Dec 23 03:01:36 lol, cos you might want more than one file? Dec 23 03:01:42 heh ali1234 your alignment cflags make a huge difference on p4a Dec 23 03:01:46 you gonna record 2-4gb and then go, MAN I NEED TO RECORD MORE?! Dec 23 03:01:56 ali, you can mount -o bind if you need more space. Dec 23 03:01:56 pupnik: what cflags? Dec 23 03:01:57 not surprising Dec 23 03:02:06 i didn't do any cflags? Dec 23 03:02:35 does the browser for anyone when you press space move down one screen, not 1.1 screens or so? Dec 23 03:02:49 inline funcs, aligned thisandthat, unrolled loops Dec 23 03:02:57 that was all already there Dec 23 03:03:15 ah... i started with the pandora makefile, cos it has cortex-a8 Dec 23 03:03:27 then i brought in the sdl stuff from the gp2x makefile Dec 23 03:04:01 generic -mcpu=cortex-a8 and -Os are way slower on that ... thing Dec 23 03:04:29 nogravity compiles now . yaay for me Dec 23 03:04:37 segfaults tho Dec 23 03:05:23 inline aligned unrolled sounds like -O3 Dec 23 03:05:26 and gentoo ricers Dec 23 03:05:44 yeah ricing Dec 23 03:05:50 enjoy autobuilder Dec 23 03:06:24 using that word should disqualify you from using any emulator or game Dec 23 03:07:48 hmm. Dec 23 03:08:06 ShadowJK, I am a gentoo ricer, wat of it? :P Dec 23 03:08:43 Don't be all verclempt because we're the types with the free time to compile everything we use :P I admit I do not work more than three hours a day but you can't hold that against me in the linux world :p Dec 23 03:08:44 reading some onn900 screen at night, bl flicker is annoying. Dec 23 03:08:55 pupnik, dunno, samppa managed to make it build MPlayer with all the weird CFLAGS required for Neon :) Dec 23 03:09:52 well you do have a point of course Dec 23 03:10:42 n900evil: the page-down thing is a known bug Dec 23 03:10:45 but i've had enough experiences where attention paid to that transforms something from 'ick' to 'nice' Dec 23 03:10:46 It's somewhat counterintuitive that unrolling loops and inlinining funcitons would automatically be faster on A8 Dec 23 03:11:14 i would've thought the small cache would have loved small code better :) Dec 23 03:11:15 i usually start with -Os Dec 23 03:20:06 fn: ah Dec 23 03:25:02 argh Dec 23 03:25:42 that,s about the fifth time I've powered off when going for end taks Dec 23 03:26:28 waiting for dialogue to appear before releasing button Dec 23 03:27:19 n900evil: i don't think i've ever needed to end a task. which ones are giving you hassle? Dec 23 03:28:23 non hildonised ones Dec 23 03:28:41 ah. u geting adventurous :) Dec 23 03:28:45 fbreader in some dialogues, Dec 23 03:28:57 enigma Dec 23 03:31:14 i guess i've been a bit selective/cowardly so far Dec 23 03:46:03 no big problems. something is screwy with python I think Dec 23 03:51:13 pythonseems to be working ok for me. i seem to have pulled the optified version ferom extras-devel Dec 23 03:51:43 excuse typing. now on n900 :) Dec 23 04:23:06 to play with newer gcc i need to set up a crosscompile toolchain eh? Dec 23 04:23:50 slonopotamus: does yours work for targeting rx51? Dec 23 04:24:33 pupnik: I don't know that slonopotamus maintains any cross-compiling stuff anymore. Dec 23 04:24:46 we've been sticking with native for a while Dec 23 04:24:54 k ty Dec 23 04:25:03 and both of us have new babies, so not so much time anymore Dec 23 04:25:11 (that, and I don't *have* an RX51 :p) Dec 23 04:25:50 ah babies. hard to automate their care. Dec 23 04:27:43 not a burning issue for me - it would just be nice to test things with an alternate gcc to check if it's causing my problems Dec 23 04:27:52 maybe an older sbox even Dec 23 04:28:24 having no clue meanings swapping components - newton's method in a way Dec 23 04:31:36 T7g: agreed an applet like you described earlier would be helpful I think Dec 23 04:31:43 ive been pretty ocd about my battery to Dec 23 04:32:24 whenever someone mentions a step they've taken to improve battery life on talk.maemo I generally try it out, but also went and got some external battery packs for the meantime :) Dec 23 04:41:25 go1dfish: just turn off stuff that uses power Dec 23 04:42:07 n900 runs an impressive amount of processes which seem to be well behaved Dec 23 05:07:40 jebba, you rock !!!! http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#Package_Building_HOWTO Dec 23 05:08:36 jebba is really awesome, I should be switching to his kernal atm but I am being lazy. Dec 23 06:13:37 anyone knows if its possible to make panucci the defaults for playing podcast from gpodder on the N900 Dec 23 06:19:53 hi Dec 23 06:20:33 is the flashlight app working for anyone? Dec 23 06:20:33 so, i downloaded the SDL_net source code and am trying to create a "libsdl-net1.2-dev" package out of it. i've followed the steps on maemo.org to setup this package Dec 23 06:20:36 i created the .deb Dec 23 06:20:55 it builds the code and creaets .deb files. but when i install my .deb files, it doesn't actually move anything useful Dec 23 06:21:02 just some documents into /usr/share Dec 23 06:21:28 anyone have any experience creating .deb files so that they can get their stuff installing into /usr/include and /usr/lib? Dec 23 06:27:17 well, i have to get to bed, but feel free to leave a comment here or PM me Dec 23 06:27:19 thanks Dec 23 06:28:23 in the phonebook, there is an option for 'copy selected contacts' but there is no way of selecting any contacts ._. Dec 23 06:28:39 hah Dec 23 06:28:45 that will prompt which to select actually Dec 23 06:28:46 heh Dec 23 06:33:24 settings -> delete all contacts, well that's an innocent looking button Dec 23 06:33:34 can't I copy my contacts to SIM Dec 23 06:33:50 I can copy from SIM, but not to SIM Dec 23 06:34:24 you'd have to throw away a bunch of info if you copied it to the sim Dec 23 06:34:25 file a bug Dec 23 06:34:27 lol . . . Dec 23 06:34:37 since the sim card address holding setup is pretty limited Dec 23 06:34:46 only one number per name Dec 23 06:34:55 well he should still be able to do that Dec 23 06:34:57 not very much meta info on contact Dec 23 06:35:06 Kyocera MicroUSB charger that outputs 350mA Dec 23 06:35:10 How . . . uselss Dec 23 06:35:23 DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS!! Dec 23 06:35:30 THIS DAMN THING DOESN'T WORK AT ALL! Dec 23 06:35:31 what? Dec 23 06:35:45 ok, sell it on ebay buy an iphone Dec 23 06:35:53 * RST38h cackles meaningfully Dec 23 06:36:52 lol Dec 23 06:39:07 What's the point of standardizing on a connected if half the chargers are useless? Dec 23 06:39:39 GAN800: lower manufacturing costs Dec 23 06:50:05 GAN: EU bureaucracy getting end-of-the-year bonuses Dec 23 06:50:31 * RST38h sees no point in standardizing on USB charging at all. It is a freaking white elephant, if you ask me Dec 23 06:50:47 huh? what's there to standardize? Dec 23 06:51:06 socket, plug, charging current, etc Dec 23 06:52:43 * Trizt waits for electricity over air Dec 23 06:53:34 Hi ! Dec 23 06:53:40 Trizt: force your microwave oven to run while the door is open. you'll get electricity OTA Dec 23 06:53:47 Trizt: we already have that Dec 23 06:54:10 Trizt: not to mention quite a bit of devices already have that Dec 23 06:54:24 (palm pre, for example) Dec 23 06:54:29 * Trizt see too many power cables in his home Dec 23 06:54:48 Someone know which is the best way to put a font selection button ? the gtk one isn t hildonized Dec 23 06:55:12 and hildon doesn t have any FontButton Dec 23 06:55:25 arachnist: you won't, it is shielded Dec 23 06:55:52 and if it is not shielded, you are risking your balls broiled Dec 23 06:57:01 arachnist; the palm pre don' Dec 23 06:57:22 t have OTA for electricity Dec 23 06:59:30 * Trizt hates to wait for pre christmas delivery that arrives after christmas Dec 23 07:12:06 n900 bugs? Dec 23 07:12:24 or maemo bugs? Dec 23 08:27:10 Trizt: pre has a special bat lid for inductive charging. Nevertheless power OTA is a freaking nonsense. To span more than 10cm free air you need insane efforts and efficiency drops to center of earth Dec 23 08:28:39 RST38h: ack on useless USB charging. See what it got us: no hostmode on N900 Dec 23 08:40:05 what would be the preferred mechanism (from the developer's point of view) for producing multi-channel audio on N900? Dec 23 08:41:29 atleast there is pulseaudio and qt4.6 should have some audio capabilities Dec 23 08:42:13 and then there is libmikmod2 Dec 23 08:46:28 hello all Dec 23 08:49:51 wb wazd :) Dec 23 08:49:58 so when does the countdown start? Dec 23 08:50:26 it's already started :P Dec 23 08:50:45 oh Dec 23 08:50:54 posted first post? :P Dec 23 08:51:15 2 already, 8 to go) Dec 23 08:51:55 Mer is heldd for the final 5 :D Dec 23 08:51:58 hehe Dec 23 08:52:19 i think the blog posts are the best way to make yourself visible as well Dec 23 08:52:57 Heh, who needs fame anyway) Dec 23 08:57:59 according to my pingbacks, people are excited bout new Transmission UI btw Dec 23 08:58:27 yeah Dec 23 08:58:39 sitting and reading the posts atm Dec 23 08:59:55 Morning, all Dec 23 08:59:57 timeless_mbp: wassup? Dec 23 09:00:11 Jaffa, hello Dec 23 09:00:12 hi. Dec 23 09:02:31 Currently I try to set-up qt-creator (git master) to build maemo apps. I couldn't find anything in the Web, does it work at all? ( I fail to set-up a working qmake build configuration) Dec 23 09:19:12 hey all what is the default password of user? Dec 23 09:19:42 trying to install libqt4-core (some apps refuse to install on my n900 due to that missing dep) Dec 23 09:19:47 -7 Dec 23 09:26:23 sejo: you cannot install using user "user". You also cannot do any sudo or su. Dec 23 09:26:45 AFAIK there is a way to enable root on your device. I am using SSH which allows me to login as root. Dec 23 09:27:09 or rootsh package Dec 23 09:27:34 You can even do this locally on your device: Open terminal and run ssh root@localhost Dec 23 09:29:09 jebba: ping? Dec 23 09:30:23 lol Dec 23 09:30:32 gilead: but what is the root password? Dec 23 09:30:54 gilead: and is the qt even in fremantle because I cannot install any qt app Dec 23 09:33:10 sejo: hm, I used MaemoSDK GUI installer and ESBox. At one step (I believe on setting up ESBox) I was asked to enter a root password. Dec 23 09:33:54 sejo: I have not yet tried to install Qt on fremantle device. But I installed it in scratchbox (following the Qt Wiki page on maemo.org) successfully. Dec 23 09:34:32 ach I don't have the sdk here (doesn't work) Dec 23 09:35:34 Did you try to install the "rootsh" package on your device? Dec 23 09:36:09 (I didn't so I do not know in which repository it resides) Dec 23 09:37:39 ach I'll check it Dec 23 09:38:38 installing it :p Dec 23 09:39:20 yay, my N900 has just been shipped :) Dec 23 09:43:04 some good fellow should set up a public VNC-server on his n900 so the people not yet with their own could play with it. for christmas, you know ;-) Dec 23 09:43:04 for rootsh you just run 'sudo gainroot' in a terminal and it switches you to root Dec 23 09:43:46 i think when you install the openssh server package, you get prompted to input a root password Dec 23 09:44:33 superdump: And that was done by ESBox I assume. Dec 23 09:45:09 works and have a libqt4-core installed but apparently not the correct version Dec 23 09:46:23 flux: that would be exactly relevant to actual experience of using an N900 Dec 23 09:46:26 wouldnt Dec 23 09:46:52 dnaumov, well, you could run the vnc client on an old n800 or n810.. Dec 23 10:08:28 X-Fade: ping Dec 23 10:09:34 are irc clients for n900 that bad?) Dec 23 10:10:05 wazd_n800: could be worse Dec 23 10:10:50 wazd_n800: a fresh view on irc for touch devices could be interesting though Dec 23 10:13:15 ooh shiiiiit. I just caused a veritable scar on N900 screen with my fingernail :-(((( Dec 23 10:13:29 DocScrutinizer51: huh, quite fingernails you got Dec 23 10:13:42 DocScrutinizer51: did you remember to remove the protective film? Dec 23 10:13:57 That one scratches easily, the actual screen does not. Dec 23 10:13:59 seems there was a grain of dust between nail and screen Dec 23 10:14:23 nah. that's the screen Dec 23 10:14:32 does someone now if libicu is installed by default on the n900? i have two versions libicu40 and libicu42, which consume a lot of space Dec 23 10:14:53 that's the most significant pro-capacitive moment Dec 23 10:14:53 DocScrutinizer51: pity, but might be fixable with some screenpolisher or somesuch Dec 23 10:15:00 glass Dec 23 10:15:11 pH5: I thought of another good use of manual focus. Dec 23 10:15:23 Stskeeps, maybe Dec 23 10:15:40 might give that a try. Ir simply shrug and get a new front plastic ts next spring Dec 23 10:16:22 Stskeeps, I already had some thoughts though Dec 23 10:18:30 dmj726: interested. what is it? Dec 23 10:20:14 Accessibility: get a good focus system on the camera. Put it in a holder that keeps it at the proper distance from the page, zoom in, focus on the page (currently a chore to trick it into focusing), and you've got yourself a handheld magnifier that's way better than what's out there now. Dec 23 10:20:50 wazd_n800: n900 has irssi 'nuf said Dec 23 10:21:30 sejo, I don't know what it is unfortunately :) Dec 23 10:21:48 irssi is a textbased IRC client Dec 23 10:21:58 google it Dec 23 10:22:34 with the proper software, the n900 could replace this: http://www.independentliving.com/prodinfo.asp?number=454651 Dec 23 10:23:02 ooh, text based, great :D Dec 23 10:23:13 hmph, apparently mikmod is not an option for multi-channel audio (not a good one atleast), as it doesn't support pulseaudio Dec 23 10:23:16 better suggestions? Dec 23 10:24:59 Stskeeps: yep? Dec 23 10:25:34 X-Fade: https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/haf/trunk/?root=maemo&sortby=date#dirlist urls are dead Dec 23 10:25:49 (a lot of software is still being pushed there so) Dec 23 10:26:05 Stskeeps: Can you tell me which software is still alive there? Dec 23 10:26:12 gtk+ for instance Dec 23 10:26:12 dmj726: maybe a separate "Magnifier" application could be better optimized for that use-case Dec 23 10:26:19 Stskeeps: As that should not be used by teams anymore. Dec 23 10:26:38 X-Fade: at this particular moment i can't give you a list :) but the archives are also very useful Dec 23 10:26:49 * Jaffa keeps snowtter up on his screen Dec 23 10:26:52 Stskeeps: Everything should be in gitorious. Dec 23 10:27:00 X-Fade: yeah, but it isn't yet :P Dec 23 10:27:00 * timeless_mbp ponders Dec 23 10:27:22 Stskeeps: Well, we've disabled svn access last week. Dec 23 10:27:28 * timeless_mbp needs to consider restarting hildon-desktop/hildon-home/hildon-status-menu Dec 23 10:27:38 Stskeeps: So, these teams should really move. Dec 23 10:27:40 timeless_mbp: pong, btw Dec 23 10:27:50 Jaffa: l10n pain Dec 23 10:27:52 X-Fade: true, i wonder where they're moving to then Dec 23 10:27:52 Stskeeps: But I can enable the interface, moment. Dec 23 10:28:01 timeless_mbp: Ah, always fun. Dec 23 10:28:07 timeless_mbp: More reused message IDs? Dec 23 10:28:16 http://pastebin.com/m22febe0 is my current list, but i know dbus-glib has moved Dec 23 10:28:25 Jaffa: well, we have those coming yes Dec 23 10:28:39 but also some really stupid bad labeling and some awful messages Dec 23 10:28:49 * timeless_mbp grumbles Dec 23 10:28:51 sp3000: help Dec 23 10:29:13 Stskeeps: If you can tell me what is interesting there, I can try to reach the responsible people. Dec 23 10:29:21 sp3000: so, something seems wrong here Dec 23 10:30:04 X-Fade: gtk+ at least i'm at a loss at where is developed now Dec 23 10:31:05 X-Fade: but having read-only access to those archives are useful though, even though they aren't being pushed to Dec 23 10:31:13 Stskeeps: Hmm indeed, I'll ask around. Dec 23 10:31:51 youch Dec 23 10:31:53 * timeless_mbp frowns Dec 23 10:31:59 one of my files isn't updating Dec 23 10:31:59 Stskeeps: That box is going to be switched of in the next month or so, so it should really be moved somewhere else. Dec 23 10:32:01 * timeless_mbp wonders why Dec 23 10:32:06 X-Fade: :nod: Dec 23 10:32:16 X-Fade: i'll gladly take a tarball for historical purposes ;) Dec 23 10:32:52 Stskeeps: It should just go to some git repository. So it is not all dead code. Dec 23 10:33:26 Stskeeps: I understand gtk is not sexy in the harmattan timeframe, but if community wants to continue it should still be somewhere. Dec 23 10:33:47 * Stskeeps wonders if it Dec 23 10:33:50 's on garage Dec 23 10:33:55 screw gtk :) Dec 23 10:34:22 Stskeeps: Worst case I'll push it into git.maemo.org myself. Dec 23 10:34:26 X-Fade: :nod: Dec 23 10:34:31 * RST38h moos at gtk Dec 23 10:34:36 hello all Dec 23 10:35:33 RST38h: hi Dec 23 10:37:04 X-Fade: since it's getting turned off, removing stage entries from my openness report Dec 23 10:37:46 RST38h, heya Dec 23 10:41:54 wazd: how is existance? Dec 23 10:42:59 Stskeeps: Yes, although we need to make sure they will keep existing somewhere. Dec 23 10:44:09 morning Dec 23 10:44:23 hello lardman Dec 23 10:45:18 hi RST38h Dec 23 10:46:59 lardman,Stskeeps: two more votes and FBReader goes into Extras (yes, that was a hint) Dec 23 10:47:00 Stskeeps: yup, like X-Fade said. if there is community interest in gtk/hildon, it will survive in Harmattan and its successors Dec 23 10:47:42 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/fbreader/0.10.7-9/ Dec 23 10:47:43 not very different from each other gtk platform Dec 23 10:47:59 just until now Maemo was an exception, as gtk was giving vendor support here. Dec 23 10:48:20 ...comparable to Msft supporting gtk on windows :-D Dec 23 10:49:05 voted, or at least I think so, I've just got a swirly-whirly thing where the thumbs-up was Dec 23 10:49:38 eh Dec 23 10:49:44 RST38h: how do i promote eightyone for extras? or does the maintainer have to do? Dec 23 10:49:46 ah, looks ok Dec 23 10:49:57 tbf: vote for it Dec 23 10:50:17 lardman: you do mbarcode, right? Dec 23 10:50:59 checking if it is in testing yet Dec 23 10:51:33 tbf: Maintainer does it Dec 23 10:52:04 dmj726: yep Dec 23 10:52:12 pinging tim about promoting it to testing Dec 23 10:52:48 I'm a little confused about the camera focus code, and I guess you'll know more about that. Dec 23 10:53:18 tbf: do you have a git or svn repo of it outside of stage yet? Dec 23 10:53:30 tbf: and yes i know the angle on gtk+ :P Dec 23 10:53:52 Stskeeps: repo for what? gtk, hildon? Dec 23 10:54:18 Stskeeps: where culd I possibly find detailed info on messing around with audiomixer / AD/DA. To implement e.g a TAM or call recorder? Dec 23 10:54:33 dmj726: what's up? Dec 23 10:54:44 how do I get fbreader out of fullscreen? Dec 23 10:54:50 looking to make an app that allows manual focus. Dec 23 10:55:00 other than kill Dec 23 10:55:16 left bottom corner Dec 23 10:55:28 or right bottom corner when in landscape Dec 23 10:55:30 dmj: you know the af driver chip? Dec 23 10:55:31 or ctrl+enter Dec 23 10:55:37 dmj726: well you can probably use a different constant in the call to gst_photography_set_focus(_ Dec 23 10:55:38 tbf: maemo gtk Dec 23 10:55:48 RST38h, what about binding camera button? Dec 23 10:55:51 DocScrutinizer51: pulseaudio or alsa Dec 23 10:56:03 n900evil: no need, it is handled through bit banging the v4l2 ioctls Dec 23 10:56:08 rst: neither conrner worked. retrying Dec 23 10:56:46 Stskeeps: let me ask on internal channel after xmas vacations Dec 23 10:57:01 heh speedevil. today under disguise ;-) Dec 23 10:57:38 Stskeeps: PA and ALSA just for basic API Dec 23 10:57:53 tbf: alright, thanks :) Dec 23 10:58:14 Stskeeps: to make any purpose of that I'd still need to understand that particular hw Dec 23 10:58:42 DocScrutinizer51: for stuff like that i'd prod danielwilms Dec 23 10:59:03 Stskeeps: where? Dec 23 10:59:26 DocScrutinizer51: well, here, but i doubt he'll be at work today Dec 23 10:59:32 DocScrutinizer51: http://danielwilms.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/short-introduction/ is his role Dec 23 10:59:46 aah tnx Dec 23 11:00:30 DocScrutinizer51: they might be a bit touchy about messing about with mixer after the FM radio stuff though Dec 23 11:00:44 lol Dec 23 11:00:47 (it caused people to send back their n900s with mic failed and unable to call 911( Dec 23 11:00:56 rst: started, fullscreen the opening screen, neither corner works. nor ctrl-nter only ctrl-bs Dec 23 11:01:23 rst: or fixed in newer ver? Dec 23 11:01:46 Stskeeps: oh, so the famous microphone bug was caused by the FM radio? Dec 23 11:02:12 Stskeeps: actually I can feel with them. After all same flames went all over me for FR Dec 23 11:02:35 * lardman can't call 911 here either Dec 23 11:02:46 tbf: the one that can't be cursed with reflash Dec 23 11:02:54 err Dec 23 11:02:55 cured Dec 23 11:03:09 lardman - not in the US? :P Dec 23 11:03:17 cursed with reflash, nice :) Dec 23 11:03:33 lardman: did you actually try? Dec 23 11:03:49 no on both counts Dec 23 11:03:57 lardman: AFAIK 911 is in the GSM specs and gets redirected to your real emergency number Dec 23 11:04:13 lardman: but don't cite me on that, as i am not 100% sure Dec 23 11:04:26 wazd_n801, when did nokia release an n801!? lol :P Dec 23 11:04:47 tbf - isn't that 112 or 441? Dec 23 11:04:52 tbf: 112 I think Dec 23 11:04:58 112 is the finnish equivalent Dec 23 11:04:58 but who knows :) Dec 23 11:05:18 but they did not hard code other countries emergency numbers? :D Dec 23 11:05:25 hrw|gone-to-2010: time travel? ;) Dec 23 11:05:26 lardman: AFAIK 911 really is an alias for 112 in GSM or something. Dec 23 11:05:41 oh Dec 23 11:05:42 in your country perhaps Dec 23 11:05:48 in mine it would be 999 Dec 23 11:05:58 if you called 112 in the USA, would it actually go to "911" ? Dec 23 11:06:07 but I've not tried, so it might work Dec 23 11:06:11 when i was a kiddo we had 000 Dec 23 11:06:19 lardman: https://datatracker.ietf.org/documents/LIAISON/file562.pdf Dec 23 11:06:23 lardman: Apparently that's going to change or at least both will be supported, europewide. Dec 23 11:06:23 and i had a memory rule, "three zeros" Dec 23 11:06:30 but it made me always think was it 000 000 000 or 000 Dec 23 11:06:33 :D Dec 23 11:06:37 rst38h: need more info? Dec 23 11:06:40 red: where are you from? Dec 23 11:06:42 lardman: or just wikipedia: "Most GSM mobile phones have 112, 999 and 911 as pre-programmed emergency numbers that are always available." Dec 23 11:06:43 Finland Dec 23 11:06:51 tbf: ah Dec 23 11:06:55 and I mean when I was a tiny baboon :p Dec 23 11:07:01 red: was the 0 first on the dial or last? Dec 23 11:07:02 or well, i've never been small, just younger Dec 23 11:07:10 it was straight three 0s Dec 23 11:07:19 no, I mean on a rotary dial Dec 23 11:07:29 no, haha Dec 23 11:07:29 tbf: not always in the uk. need a valid online SIM Dec 23 11:07:31 i think thats last? Dec 23 11:07:34 that's why we have 999 I think, was the furthest away, so you had to mean it to dial it Dec 23 11:07:38 might be first though Dec 23 11:07:52 n900evil: You can dial 112 even without a sim card. Dec 23 11:07:54 just wondering if 0 could be at either end, and therefore we went with 999 Dec 23 11:08:10 n900evil: You can even use it in the pincode screen. Dec 23 11:08:19 x-fade: not in the uk Dec 23 11:08:42 at least for 999 last I tried Dec 23 11:09:09 several times over the years Dec 23 11:09:22 Stskeeps: darn. Seems DanielWilms already seized the job I was hoping for, at Maemo Dec 23 11:09:41 DocScrutinizer51: hehe Dec 23 11:09:53 DocScrutinizer51: well, he doesn't deal with hw directly i think, maybe there's an opening ;) Dec 23 11:10:04 "Open Hardware Consultant" ;p Dec 23 11:10:21 Stskeeps: I think I should try anyway Dec 23 11:10:36 go for it! Dec 23 11:10:45 DocScrutinizer51: if you accept moving to Helsinki, there are quite some open Maemo jobs for you :-D Dec 23 11:11:11 Helsinki isn't such a nice city though Dec 23 11:11:19 red: it's actually not that bad Dec 23 11:11:23 well, from visitors POV Dec 23 11:11:26 I've lived there 16 years :) Dec 23 11:11:27 red: it has quite some nice places Dec 23 11:11:29 even though the frost in october is a bit .. Dec 23 11:11:30 :P Dec 23 11:11:41 It's not even a cold city tbh :p Dec 23 11:11:51 red: so if you just take the city, it would be ok Dec 23 11:11:52 one of the last places to get snow to stay in Finland Dec 23 11:12:03 tbf: agreed. It's the citizens that are.. :P Dec 23 11:12:04 red: but the weather. THE WEAHTER! Dec 23 11:12:05 tbf: I'm ok with helsinki as long as there's an airport and the salary is sufficient to feed my miles+more Dec 23 11:12:09 wehave atm 0.7 +celsius @helsinki Dec 23 11:12:13 so talking bout cold :-P Dec 23 11:12:30 -10 here at Tampere heh Dec 23 11:12:55 ifreq: even 10°C can be freaking cold at HEL 'cause of it's quite unprotected position within the baltic see Dec 23 11:13:27 I guess you should even need to move to Oulu ;) Dec 23 11:13:37 but my point was, after I moved away from Helsinki to Tampere I've been alot happier with the people, the city offers kinda the same possibilities for me so it's not about that, but the people. At Helsinki most people just looked down and nobody talked to any random people at the centrum :) Dec 23 11:13:47 ifreq: it has very cold, very wet and very strong wind quite often Dec 23 11:13:59 here I find all sort of new social contancts just by hanging out at the town, since people dont just ignore one and other Dec 23 11:14:16 tbf: so what? its not like i live outside :) Dec 23 11:14:28 or be dead because of some minus degrees Dec 23 11:14:37 rather -20 even than wet snow Dec 23 11:14:39 guess it boils down to liking to be able to mind your own business or having a chitchat at the buss stop while waiting :) Dec 23 11:14:58 ifreq: wet snow is so retarded from a car perspective :) Dec 23 11:14:59 red: yeh well in hki there is just too much hurry with ppl Dec 23 11:15:04 aye Dec 23 11:15:11 thats why you have huge circle of friends here Dec 23 11:15:12 :) Dec 23 11:15:21 dry snow is easier to scrape from your car windows :p Dec 23 11:15:25 true Dec 23 11:15:40 and well me as public transportation user it sux to walk over the bus stop in wet snow Dec 23 11:15:48 so rather COLD than .. anything else between Dec 23 11:15:59 gtg.. lahti is calling.. merry xmas peeps Dec 23 11:15:59 :) Dec 23 11:16:08 to helsinki actually hehe Dec 23 11:16:11 wve Dec 23 11:16:41 ifreq: like you said: the wet makes the difference Dec 23 11:17:05 ifreq: wouldn't care that much about the temperature if it wouldn't also be that wet Dec 23 11:17:37 lardman: have you ever tried any kind of focusing other that auto? Dec 23 11:17:42 * DocScrutinizer51 ponders SanDiego Devices Dec 23 11:18:10 too far away from D though Dec 23 11:18:28 ...well, and then HEL seems quite expensive. hmm, but could be that Ruoholahti isn't that representative for HEL. Dec 23 11:19:51 I'd hope Nokia has a way to compensate for that Dec 23 11:19:51 its a part of helsinki :) Dec 23 11:20:58 compensate for what? Dec 23 11:21:25 Nokia employees never leave the office, right? That's how they compensate for the high cost of living outside of the office. Dec 23 11:21:53 Stskeeps: did you say FMradio caused a trouble that couldn't be fixed by reflashing? Dec 23 11:22:00 housing in helsinki center is expensive, but theres good public transort Dec 23 11:22:03 +p Dec 23 11:22:46 DocScrutinizer51: no, but it messed up mixer settings so mic didn't work until a reflash / removal + reboot Dec 23 11:23:04 tigert: yup, seems you better move to the rims Dec 23 11:23:11 aah. yes that's what I got as well Dec 23 11:23:15 tbf: yea Dec 23 11:23:24 well, depends what you want Dec 23 11:24:07 its cheaper, sure Dec 23 11:24:10 tigert: surely i would not want to spent half of my wage on rent - if i'd be there. Dec 23 11:24:32 the tram range is good if one can get a decent home within it Dec 23 11:25:01 tbf: that largely depends on your wages Dec 23 11:25:40 like 600e for a small apartment per month Dec 23 11:26:01 was kinda fun getting almost 1,5 the size of apartment at tampere for 370e/month Dec 23 11:26:20 yeah Dec 23 11:26:35 helsinki is crazy compared to other parts of the country Dec 23 11:26:44 but its like that everywehere Dec 23 11:26:57 well if 600EUR was half of monthly wage... dude :-/ Dec 23 11:27:24 i highly doubt that's half of monthly wage in .fi Dec 23 11:27:52 considering tax level etc Dec 23 11:29:03 depends what you do for a living :) Dec 23 11:29:27 * SpComb^ slaps whoever broke DISPLAY on maemo Dec 23 11:29:27 iirc median salary in .fi is 2600 eur/month Dec 23 11:29:41 DocScrutinizer51: consider having a family Dec 23 11:29:44 can't launch the mediaplayer over `ssh -X n810` :( Dec 23 11:29:47 dmj726: nope Dec 23 11:29:55 dmj726: why do you want manual? Dec 23 11:30:30 the autofocus is annoying and innapropriate in certain circumstances. Dec 23 11:30:38 DocScrutinizer51: if you'll like to have a four rooms apartment you'll quickly reach half of your wage Dec 23 11:31:04 So far I've found 2 use cases where it falls to pieces. Dec 23 11:31:09 DocScrutinizer51: also consider that taxes are quite high in FI, so your netto is much lower than it'd be in D Dec 23 11:31:26 dmj726: shoot Dec 23 11:31:26 ok Dec 23 11:31:45 Stskeeps: it's pertty close to half monthly wage for some people with bad jobs Dec 23 11:32:10 dmj726: it doesn't work well in macro mode, that's for sure Dec 23 11:32:12 i myself get 298e/month for being at school, and 300e/month student loan on top of that Dec 23 11:32:12 red: in copenhagen the prices were so bad recently cops from inner city couldn't afford to live there :P Dec 23 11:32:22 hah :D Dec 23 11:32:25 1) use as accessibility tool for visually impaired 2) use as stop motion miniature camera (macro in general actually) Dec 23 11:32:54 ok Dec 23 11:33:01 dmj726: the macro mode worked for me IF the background was really dark Dec 23 11:33:09 like say my black pc table Dec 23 11:33:15 other than that, quite random results Dec 23 11:33:31 Dark background isn't always desired though. Dec 23 11:33:32 somehow i still dont except phone cameras to be worth jackshit :) Dec 23 11:33:45 ofcourse not, just said it worked that way Dec 23 11:33:45 Stskeeps: same for Munich Dec 23 11:34:08 DocScrutinizer51: still: if you don't have family yet and would enjoy getting paid for working on maemo: go and check nokia job offers Dec 23 11:34:15 If the n900 camera *can* be made to do these things it should. Dec 23 11:34:26 In Finland there isn't enough jobs for coppers, the 1 police school we have pumps out more graduates every year than there is even vaguely enough jobs Dec 23 11:34:42 nothing wrong in the hardware (aside from a little noise in low light regions) Dec 23 11:34:48 and the pay I heard sucks aswell Dec 23 11:34:53 DocScrutinizer51: interesting job, good people and probably a very valuable experience Dec 23 11:34:57 tbf: ok. I probably should do exactly that Dec 23 11:35:03 urgh, /me gives up learning Qt for the time being Dec 23 11:35:13 why urgh Dec 23 11:35:58 cos it's painful Dec 23 11:36:10 no mocp .deb for maemo either that I can find :( Dec 23 11:37:01 any other console players, or GUI ones that support running them over X? Dec 23 11:37:10 (ssh -X, that is) Dec 23 11:37:13 dmj: you mean the rear? Dec 23 11:40:32 man, pulseaudio is definitely an example of yet another too sparsely documented interface. but hey, atleast they've got comprehensive reference documentation.. Dec 23 11:40:50 yep Dec 23 11:41:11 yes, the rear 5mp camera Dec 23 11:42:42 dmj726: for the macro focus bork there's a trac ticket even afaik Dec 23 11:44:27 dmj726: manual focus would be a cute option anyway Dec 23 11:44:56 yeah, it really allows for more artistic freedom with it. Dec 23 11:45:19 manual focus is a killer app for any camera. Dec 23 11:45:47 and I found macro focus rather flaky even with good light conditions (no focus flash) Dec 23 11:46:38 it's a shame the source to some key apps isn't available Dec 23 11:47:24 manual focus won't give more than 1mm coc Dec 23 11:47:32 flux: heh. ack Dec 23 11:48:00 SpeedEvil: coc? Dec 23 11:49:19 n900evil: ^ Dec 23 11:49:26 circle of confusion Dec 23 11:49:37 see wikipedia Dec 23 11:50:25 flux: I agree. Dec 23 11:50:48 In fact most of the egregious bugs I want fixed require the source to closed apps. Dec 23 11:50:53 * DocScrutinizer51 ponder to search wiki for circle of confusion. Rejects the proposal Dec 23 11:51:11 manual camera focus, video playlists... Dec 23 11:52:39 selecting service when dialing from contacts... Dec 23 11:53:04 more profiles... better profiles... Dec 23 11:56:16 DocScrutinizer51: "There's an app for that" :) Dec 23 11:56:28 duh Dec 23 11:56:51 for what exactly? on *maemo* even? ;-) Dec 23 11:57:00 dmj726: try the gpe audio player Dec 23 11:57:21 audio playlists arent the problem, it's the video Dec 23 11:57:24 "Want to show your bf that he's an asshole? There's a crap for that" Dec 23 11:58:08 or kmplayer Dec 23 11:58:14 it puts all the videos in one big list and expects you to open each one separately, (problematic for videos split across several episodes) Dec 23 11:58:50 it is a solid app with basic functionality Dec 23 11:58:52 wazd_n800: XD Dec 23 11:58:57 compare it to community apps Dec 23 11:59:01 kmplayer, gpe audio player Dec 23 11:59:05 I have used kmplayer, the ui is awkward, and I can't figure out playlists but it's what I'm doing now for that. Dec 23 11:59:05 do it Dec 23 11:59:31 right, so would you say the nokia media player sucks, when compared to what other people have created? Dec 23 11:59:57 it's a very nice app, except for the couple of major breakage points. Dec 23 12:00:04 i agree Dec 23 12:00:22 just like the camera app and the contacts. Dec 23 12:00:23 * DocScrutinizer51 wonders if X-Fade is suggesting Nokia will sell an app for decent profile management in ovi-store eventually Dec 23 12:00:36 it takes a lot of work to make something that 'doesn't suck' Dec 23 12:00:48 what is the least sucking music player for n900 nowadays? Dec 23 12:01:03 cat Dec 23 12:01:06 Fix half a dozen niggling issues with each of these apps and Nokia could have a practically flawless device. Dec 23 12:02:31 cosmo_: the one from nokia, easily Dec 23 12:02:47 if finally they fix ambient light screen dimming. Sucks baseballs Dec 23 12:03:21 i think it is perfect. i never notice the dimming Dec 23 12:03:39 ooh?? Dec 23 12:03:46 pupnik: oh, ok Dec 23 12:03:49 do you have an n810? Dec 23 12:04:03 so I should kick the testing app maybe Dec 23 12:04:47 i found the n810 reader to be a bit aggressive in changing brightness levels Dec 23 12:05:03 pupnik: I have. and both are similarly PITA Dec 23 12:05:20 hmm interesting Dec 23 12:05:46 I want portrait mode in the browser Dec 23 12:06:00 huge delay and always in inconvenient large steps Dec 23 12:06:19 SpeedEvil: hey! :D Dec 23 12:06:19 and for the browser thing in the corner to accept swipes out from hte corner Dec 23 12:06:24 as well as touches Dec 23 12:06:33 i'd be willing to bet they did actual testing with a large set of users with that screen dimming Dec 23 12:06:44 * SpeedEvil isn't on laptop much - as it's broken - dropped Dec 23 12:06:48 need replacement case Dec 23 12:07:04 or warranty work Dec 23 12:07:09 1mo from end of 3y Dec 23 12:08:02 pupnik: from my former experience with industry I'd dare to hold that bet Dec 23 12:08:23 I'm confused, I thought qmake was supposed to call uic and generate cpp/h files for my ui files Dec 23 12:09:07 lardman: it is Dec 23 12:09:16 lardman: yep Dec 23 12:09:22 doesn't generate any new cpp/h files Dec 23 12:09:37 just a Makefile and a new .pro.user (?) file Dec 23 12:09:45 lardman: I learnt qmake is a bitch Dec 23 12:10:24 might need removal of some .o or elf to do it's job Dec 23 12:10:32 lardman: i'd guess you should check your project file's contents Dec 23 12:10:41 never been compiled, so should work I guess Dec 23 12:10:53 cosmo_: I wondered that, but have FORMS += mainwindow.ui in that file Dec 23 12:11:15 try running make distclean; qmake Dec 23 12:11:33 VDVsx finally found the right approach to app promotion Dec 23 12:11:50 RST38h, kick someone ? :p Dec 23 12:12:05 RST38h, kidnap X-Fade ? Dec 23 12:12:05 cosmo_: no change Dec 23 12:12:06 VDVsx: Dump a list of direct voting links to t.mo. =) Dec 23 12:12:25 cosmo_: am missing an include file in maeinwindow.cpp called: "ui_mainwindow.h" Dec 23 12:12:35 ohshitbattlegeweled has been ported Dec 23 12:12:45 there goes christmas, RST38h? :P Dec 23 12:12:48 RST38h, btw, you Ti emulator is suffering "the lardman" bug Dec 23 12:12:50 which I guess should contain some stuff to do with the widgets I added in the designer Dec 23 12:12:54 X-Fade, ping Dec 23 12:12:58 Sts: Christmas? What Christmas? Dec 23 12:13:03 VDVsx: i.e.? Dec 23 12:13:08 VDVsx: what's that? Dec 23 12:13:17 RST38h, front page forever Dec 23 12:13:25 maemo.org front page Dec 23 12:13:26 that's a feature! Dec 23 12:13:29 lardman: create an empty qt project with qt creator and see what includes and .pro definitions it has Dec 23 12:13:47 VDVsx: Oh that shit =( Dec 23 12:13:49 lardman, seems that the emulator got the same status, ahah Dec 23 12:13:55 this is an empty project Dec 23 12:14:02 with some widgets added to the main window Dec 23 12:14:03 VDVsx:I noticed it but thought it was the result of the date being set into the future Dec 23 12:14:20 RST38h, keeps increasing Dec 23 12:14:25 lardman: created with qt creator? it should work out of the box Dec 23 12:14:27 * RST38h facepalms Dec 23 12:14:29 each time a new app joins extras Dec 23 12:14:31 X-Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaade Dec 23 12:14:41 cosmo_: indeed Dec 23 12:16:09 RST38h: I doubt that's mathing his IRC client's highlight list :-P Dec 23 12:18:09 would be interesting to add such a feature Dec 23 12:18:49 regex with '+' on each vowel Dec 23 12:21:14 * lardman decides to just code his app manually a la GTK+ Dec 23 12:22:00 tbf: you managed to have working regex for xchat? Dec 23 12:22:17 time to do some work, cu all later Dec 23 12:22:40 DocScrutinizer51: no, but also my nick doesn't have vowels Dec 23 12:22:48 lol Dec 23 12:23:29 VDVsx: pong Dec 23 12:24:04 X-Fade, saw my comment about Ti emulator ? Dec 23 12:24:16 heh. X-Fade actually seems to have that regex :-D Dec 23 12:24:17 X-Fade: ati85 is stuck at the top of Fresh list Dec 23 12:24:29 Doc: never underestimate him =) Dec 23 12:24:30 X-Fade, the emulator got the lardman bug Dec 23 12:24:35 :D Dec 23 12:27:11 It is just a very fresh app ;) Dec 23 12:29:13 permafresh indeed Dec 23 12:30:09 lol Dec 23 12:31:45 does it autopatch and bump revision as well? Dec 23 12:32:08 X-Fade, in case you didn't noticed the publication date increases each time a new app is promoted :) Dec 23 12:32:17 are there any decent pre-paid sim cards with unlimited data available in the us? Dec 23 12:35:22 VDVsx: Even worse, each import run it seems. Dec 23 12:36:48 is the login for talk.maemo.org different from the main maemo.org? Dec 23 12:36:51 atime? Dec 23 12:37:04 barisione: yes Dec 23 12:37:24 X-Fade: .... Dec 23 12:37:32 that explains why I couldn't login ;) Dec 23 12:37:33 thanks Dec 23 12:37:47 X-Fade, btw, can you remove zoutube from the testing interface ? the package was manually imported by marcell in your absence and people are wasting time voting for a app already in extras :( Dec 23 12:39:08 Hi Dec 23 12:41:18 VDVsx: Changed status to promoted. Dec 23 12:41:33 X-Fade, thanks :) Dec 23 12:42:38 RST38h, wow. fbreader already has 10 votes :p that was fast Dec 23 12:45:06 VDVsx: makes me wonder if people really understand the purpose of extras-testing voting Dec 23 12:46:02 it is working fine here so far, i don't have books in all the supported formats though Dec 23 12:46:23 tbf: test it with an intentionally borked app? Dec 23 12:46:25 tbf, well, if you follow the related thread at tmo, you'll see the reason for that, most of the voters were testing the app already Dec 23 12:46:39 pupnik: well, the maemo.org theme also has >9 votes already, and it clearly is not ready for Maemo Extras yet Dec 23 12:47:26 5696 usr/share/FBReader Dec 23 12:47:32 tbf, that always a problem, for that reason we need a team of testers :D Dec 23 12:47:35 * pupnik coughs politely Dec 23 12:47:35 VDVsx: still i suspect the voting mechanism is abused as popularity contest, instead of being used as quality measure Dec 23 12:47:48 tbf, yes Dec 23 12:47:59 I replaced the sim card in my n900 and the n900 still tries the connect to the internet via the old connection Dec 23 12:48:05 tbf, you can see that easily with the most popular apps Dec 23 12:48:16 Can I add a second phone internet connection? Dec 23 12:48:45 I tried using the settings dialog, but I cannot change the connection type from WLAN to packet data. Dec 23 12:49:01 VDVsx: guess voting should be linked with a short multiple-choice test Dec 23 12:49:03 Has anybody else seen that issue before and/or has a solution for it? Dec 23 12:49:28 tbf, yes, that's already planned Dec 23 12:49:34 mv /usr/share/FBReader/ /opt && ln -s /opt/FBReader /usr/share/FBReader in case you are pressed for space... Dec 23 12:49:40 following the q6a criteria Dec 23 12:49:46 *Q&A Dec 23 12:49:56 VDVsx: ah. good. so i don't have to start a tmo thread :-D Dec 23 12:50:08 rdorsch: seems there's only one packet data setup Dec 23 12:50:25 tbf, http://n2.nabble.com/Follow-up-from-QA-meeting-on-IRC-td3990526.html#a3990526 Dec 23 12:50:44 some of those points might change :P Dec 23 12:51:23 bbl (lunch) Dec 23 12:51:58 DocScrutinizer51: thanks for confirming that. That is a step back from the N8x0 which could handle several phones. Dec 23 12:52:25 rdorsch: i think it should be possible to add in Network connections or something Dec 23 12:52:39 Stskeeps Dec 23 12:53:16 Stskeeps: I see settings->internet connections Dec 23 12:53:19 Stskeeps: I found no way Dec 23 12:53:36 but I did not find any way to add a second packet connection there Dec 23 12:53:58 tbf: That is why I want to add more weight for votes from well known testers. Dec 23 12:53:59 I cannot even delete the first one, only modify Dec 23 12:54:20 timeless_mbp: note pushing a bus off an icy stop doesn't really work Dec 23 12:54:22 If I insert a flash card, should it be mounted automagically or do I have to mount it myself? Dec 23 12:54:27 in my N900 that is.. Dec 23 12:54:33 those things are heavy. Dec 23 12:54:35 sp3000: ouch? Dec 23 12:54:40 tbf: They should also be able to push the apps that are stuck for a long time without votes. Dec 23 12:54:52 he was able to reverse out of it eventually, in time for lunch :) Dec 23 12:55:10 i'm skipping lunch i think Dec 23 12:58:52 is there a way to disable camera sound? Dec 23 12:58:59 X-Fade: guess it's sufficient to build a score/karma system on bases of the multiple-choice test results Dec 23 12:59:16 ifreq: change profile to silent Dec 23 12:59:20 X-Fade: users are just uninformed, not evil Dec 23 12:59:34 ifreq: or replace the wave file with a silent wave file Dec 23 12:59:44 tbf: indeed. Dec 23 12:59:45 * timeless_mbp is kinda surprised no one has packaged that Dec 23 12:59:50 ah okay. thanks Dec 23 13:03:26 wb wazd Dec 23 13:04:39 VDVsx, RST38h: The uber fresh ati85 issue has been fixed. Dec 23 13:04:41 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_e-book_formats the N900 now has more complete ebook reader support than Amazon Kindle, Kindle 2, Kindle DC, Sony Reader (all models), Hanlin E-Reader V3, Barnes & Noble Nook, Iriver Story! Thanks to open-source, FBReader and Marat Dec 23 13:04:47 hows that for a tmo fanboy thread Dec 23 13:05:02 lolnice Dec 23 13:05:30 come to me, google Dec 23 13:05:44 fbreader isn't ready - at least from what I saw. \UI where you get stuck in a page with no way out is bad Dec 23 13:06:05 how can i recreate? Dec 23 13:06:34 tbf: hey - I resent that remark. Dec 23 13:08:33 mod-support is slick, adds .mod to tracker indexing Dec 23 13:10:44 SpeedEvil: the rolling-shutter IR rx approach looks promising from a test I just did Dec 23 13:11:50 pupnik: whoa.. does it also add a gstreamer mod player? Dec 23 13:15:50 DocScrutinizer51: interesting. I couldn;t dfind an IR remote Dec 23 13:15:56 DocScrutinizer51: main or front Dec 23 13:16:02 SpeedEvil: which remark to where? voting remark to maemo-developers? Dec 23 13:16:12 SpeedEvil: main Dec 23 13:16:15 http://maemo.org/packages/view/mod-support/ Dec 23 13:16:42 with led "in contact" with lens Dec 23 13:17:02 (12:59:20 PM) tbf: X-Fade: users are just uninformed, not evil Dec 23 13:19:39 DocScrutinizer51: Did you manage to get 1px scanning working then? Dec 23 13:20:07 The camera has a rolling shutter Dec 23 13:20:19 DocScrutinizer51: Or just use time it takes to scan a line and divide? Dec 23 13:20:28 this means it exposes - when set to minimum sensitivity - one line at a time Dec 23 13:20:45 so - with a 2000 line camera, you get 2000 samples over the exposure time Dec 23 13:20:54 damn, I'm really exhausted Dec 23 13:20:56 say 2000/10th secs Dec 23 13:21:05 2000 in 1/10th of a sec Dec 23 13:21:27 if the whole image is illuminated with a flashing light, you get a barcodeish effwct Dec 23 13:21:32 X-Fade: I just checked the light and dark horizintal bars Dec 23 13:22:08 Ideally, you'd want to work out how to set exposure to minimum. Dec 23 13:23:17 eep Dec 23 13:23:49 anyway sensitivity is extremely low for IR - and blue which is kinda funny Dec 23 13:24:20 can anyone please give me a shot of maemo 5 desktop without widgets at all? Dec 23 13:25:01 isnt there one on the wiki? that describes how to launch x-server in scratchbox Dec 23 13:25:30 wazd Dec 23 13:25:41 X-Fade: you can't decode the 34/36/38KHz carrier but you get the rather low netto data quite accurately I'd guess Dec 23 13:26:13 DocScrutinizer51: unfortunately, the sample length may be too short - you may need multiple snaps Dec 23 13:26:23 yep Dec 23 13:26:31 thats been the idea Dec 23 13:26:38 hmpf .. i left the device with silent mode, all radios turned off, no apps running, locked and the battery is flat after 10 hrs Dec 23 13:27:09 SpeedEvil: actually video Dec 23 13:27:39 Hello Dec 23 13:27:46 the tablets / N900 can be serious sketching devices... http://pupnik.de/ma6.jpg Dec 23 13:28:11 wb AndrewBlack Dec 23 13:29:06 SpeedEvil: : yeah, that's me :D Dec 23 13:29:20 pupnik: by hand? Dec 23 13:29:59 no, stylus Dec 23 13:30:35 DocScrutinizer51: inter-frame is not zero Dec 23 13:30:41 pupnik: let me rephrase that, "did you do that from scratch?" Dec 23 13:30:43 waz` Dec 23 13:30:53 ping X-Fade Dec 23 13:30:54 SpeedEvil: ack. sample retransmits Dec 23 13:30:58 i was about to do that, but realised I had no screenshot Dec 23 13:31:02 wazd: wow Dec 23 13:31:09 erm Dec 23 13:31:11 pupnik: wow :) Dec 23 13:31:28 pupnik, what did you use? Dec 23 13:31:40 as in what app Dec 23 13:31:47 yes. a sketch app i'm working on Dec 23 13:31:52 ah Dec 23 13:32:07 looks like it recognizes the pressure applied to the screen Dec 23 13:32:27 i had something similar for the nds Dec 23 13:32:44 SpeedEvil: : well, take one? :D Dec 23 13:32:49 Who wants to be nice and test maemo-org theme for me? BTW once a package is removed for promotion it shouldn allow more votes on it Ive had 4 people vote for my old package since I promoted new on into testing Dec 23 13:32:56 http://pupnik.de/igannik.jpg zash Dec 23 13:33:13 pupnik: impressive Dec 23 13:33:22 pupnik: nice indeed :D Dec 23 13:33:42 thanks Dec 23 13:34:00 wazd: ok - going up on my flickr Dec 23 13:34:12 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/ Dec 23 13:35:08 k - there Dec 23 13:35:31 AndrewBlack: hmmm that should not happen? The older version should automatically be cancelled on promotion of the newer one? Dec 23 13:35:33 SpeedEvil: thx a lot Dec 23 13:35:44 how sensitive are the screens on N*'s? Dec 23 13:35:53 zash: quite. Dec 23 13:35:58 zash: n900 anyway Dec 23 13:36:00 AndrewBlack: Unless they used a direct link to the page perhaps. Dec 23 13:36:03 zash: I have no issues Dec 23 13:36:14 is it possible to access my n810's internal gps remotely with my laptop? Dec 23 13:36:32 specifically to make it appear under gpsd://localhost ? Dec 23 13:36:34 X-Fade, They might have I was able to get there by looking at a comment someone made last night Dec 23 13:36:36 * thresh never managed to get n810 internal gps to work with n810 itself Dec 23 13:36:44 my laptop is running linux, so an ssh port forward would be fine Dec 23 13:36:51 thresh: lol Dec 23 13:37:13 thresh: never had that problem myself Dec 23 13:37:19 SpeedEvil: as in, not boolean pressure? Dec 23 13:37:27 the gps is not very accurate, but it does work (road following is good enough) Dec 23 13:37:53 another question Dec 23 13:38:13 how close widgets on the desktop can be to the top? Dec 23 13:38:13 i'm trying to run navit on my laptop (i know it's also on n810, but i like the larger screen) and have it read the gps either over wifi (prefered) or bluetooth Dec 23 13:38:32 right below titlebar or they have some gap? Dec 23 13:38:52 wazd: grab mer 0.17testing4 and you can use that as reference Dec 23 13:38:58 * melmoth has a headache trying to understand how navit binary maps actually wokrs Dec 23 13:39:00 the themes aren't rendered wrong now Dec 23 13:39:17 Stskeeps: oh! I forgot bout that :) Dec 23 13:39:21 hmm, it appears gpsd runs on port 2947, i wonder if i can just port-forward it with ssh.... Dec 23 13:39:39 is author of mod-support on this #? Dec 23 13:40:05 Is there a telnet application for maemo 5? Dec 23 13:40:23 (or another way to find out which ports my carrier allows me to connect to) Dec 23 13:41:02 rdorsch: socat.comes to mind Dec 23 13:41:10 omg, no wonder my n810 battery has been really short lately, the gps was on 24/7 :P Dec 23 13:41:57 AndrewBlack: Yeah, we probably need to hide the fav box when already promoted or cancelled. Dec 23 13:42:28 wazd: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.17testing4/mer-x86-generic-image-v0.17testing4.vmdk.zip Dec 23 13:43:03 X-Fade, yeah because some people might not realize they are voting on wrong one Dec 23 13:43:39 wazd: if you didn't dl already, can't recall :P Dec 23 13:44:57 AndrewBlack: is that version 1.0-3 you are asking for feedback on? if so the highlighting thing seems to be fixed, but the icon in the browser toolbar still looks odd for me. Dec 23 13:46:07 fnordianslip you mean the arrow on the drop down box? Dec 23 13:46:09 X-Fade: gotta run. Ponged you back. Anyway, looks like asterisk job didnt run, so i re submitted. BUUUT /me checking now, the upload is dying at 192k up, which is a spot it seems to hang at alot. Dunno. ciao for now. Dec 23 13:46:35 AndrewBlack: Yes. Oh, and the date in the desktop calendar widget isn't visible. Dec 23 13:46:45 SpeedEvil: note this was a short test only. Needs some better evaluation, e.g. by taking a video and analyze frame by frame. Preferrably on a known input IR pattern Dec 23 13:46:57 AndrewBlack: The drop down arrow in the browser looks fine to me... Dec 23 13:47:10 fiferboy, same for me Dec 23 13:47:13 weird. perhaps a reboot will help Dec 23 13:47:32 fnordianslip can you send me a screenshot and always reboot after a theme install or update Dec 23 13:47:32 AndrewBlack: The text in the calendar applet is white on white, though Dec 23 13:47:48 AndrewBlack: I mean, the text in the icon of the calendar applet Dec 23 13:48:06 DocScrutinizer51: Where do I get socat from? Dec 23 13:48:08 AndrewBlack: screenshot of what, the calendar widget? Dec 23 13:48:19 apt-cache search socat returns empty Dec 23 13:48:41 fiferboy, Ill take a look at it might have to recolor hte applet we are rather limited on the number of colors we can use for text Dec 23 13:48:43 rdorsch: one of the additional repos iirc. either -devel or tools Dec 23 13:48:48 fnordianslip the browser Dec 23 13:48:53 ok Dec 23 13:49:06 Stskeeps: nah, i have it :) Dec 23 13:49:13 wazd: good :) Dec 23 13:49:20 Hey wazd Dec 23 13:51:36 AndrewBlack: Not rebooted yet. screenshot here: http://homepage.mac.com/darren.long/filechute/Screenshot-20091223-134945.png Dec 23 13:52:08 thats fixed in new version did you have this theme active when you updated? Dec 23 13:52:17 fiferboy: heya :) Dec 23 13:52:44 AndrewBlack: no. will reboot now and see if it looks better. Dec 23 13:53:04 ok Dec 23 13:53:43 Ill be happy if I ever get my n900 to boot this morning an hour on USB charge and still dead Dec 23 13:54:39 fiferboy: I'm making a blogpost bout Personal Clock now btw :) Dec 23 13:54:59 wazd: That puts a lot of pressure on actually releasing something at some point :) Dec 23 13:55:09 X-Fade, AndrewBlack I think the packages have different names, that's the issue Dec 23 13:55:21 one is maemo-org other is maemo.org Dec 23 13:55:29 fiferboy: well, deadline is "somewhere in 2010" so relax :D Dec 23 13:55:44 VDVsx: They have the same name, but one has the "XB-Maemo-Display-Name" set Dec 23 13:55:58 ah ok Dec 23 13:56:00 Same package name, that is Dec 23 13:57:25 AndrewBlack: after reboot, browser looks normal now. calendar widget still has date in white on white. Dec 23 13:58:41 AndrewBlack: hey, i got my n900 now! Dec 23 13:58:56 fnordianslip, Ill look at calendar when Iget my n900 to boot havn trouble with it righ now Dec 23 13:59:05 joppu, awsome I hope it works this tiime Dec 23 13:59:07 ok good luck Dec 23 13:59:18 :D Dec 23 14:00:39 AndrewBlack: using white shadow for desktop bookmarks, app manager and banners is by purpose? Dec 23 14:00:46 AndrewBlack: looks odd. Dec 23 14:01:42 shaddow on text? Dec 23 14:02:13 AndrewBlack: put a bookmark on your desktop and look at the label Dec 23 14:02:45 AndrewBlack: well, or check banners Dec 23 14:03:01 been working on getting n900 to boot for an hour will once I get it up, you talking about a shadow on the text? Dec 23 14:03:54 AndrewBlack: yup. for those widgets, text has a shadow Dec 23 14:04:21 VDVsx: Ah, want me to kill one? Dec 23 14:04:26 (hmm. hopefully not a result of the PR1.1 release candidate i am testing) Dec 23 14:04:40 tbf, there is no color that says its for shadow but Ill look into it. joppu you know which on Dec 23 14:05:15 jebba: .dsc should be enough, I can copy the other files in place. Dec 23 14:05:22 X-Fade, ask AndrewBlack , but seems a bug according to fiferboy Dec 23 14:05:32 bug in the package interface Dec 23 14:06:01 AndrewBlack: if you look at the gtkrc file you'll find stuff like this: Dec 23 14:06:02 style "fremantle-note-label" = "osso-color-themeing" Dec 23 14:06:02 { Dec 23 14:06:02 fg[NORMAL] = @ReversedTextColor Dec 23 14:06:02 Dec 23 14:06:02 engine "sapwood" { Dec 23 14:06:04 shadowcolor = @DefaultTextColor Dec 23 14:06:06 } Dec 23 14:06:10 } Dec 23 14:06:19 VDVsx: Ah, always love those. Dec 23 14:06:35 X-Fade, :) Dec 23 14:07:00 I'm not seeing a shadow in HAM or on desktop Bookmark Dec 23 14:07:59 X-Fade, humm, but probably is *not* a bug depends if you consider the XB-Maemo-Display-Name or the package name as reference Dec 23 14:08:07 AndrewBlack: btw, also have a look at /usr/share/libosso-abook/gtkrc.libosso-abook - if you want to theme the avatar image in callui and contacts Dec 23 14:09:42 btw crosstool-ng builds without problems in maemo sdk vm Dec 23 14:11:15 VDVsx: Package name as use in file. Dec 23 14:14:41 fiferboy: something like this :) http://s55.radikal.ru/i150/0912/6a/a445915421ff.png Dec 23 14:15:11 wazd: Nice Dec 23 14:16:29 why would someone need two clocks on the same screen? Dec 23 14:16:51 travelling? Dec 23 14:16:59 thresh: why not? :) Dec 23 14:17:17 I would like a large resizable digital clock widget Dec 23 14:17:20 eats space and useless? Dec 23 14:17:26 yes Dec 23 14:17:30 So I can have the entire desktop filled with a clock Dec 23 14:17:34 real clocks sit on your arm ffs! Dec 23 14:17:44 this means when on charge - it can just be sitting on that Dec 23 14:18:06 tbf, Ill take a look at the colors and fix them. In the next release can if you don mind can you file a bug on it. Might them the default avatar image to orange as well Dec 23 14:18:18 maybe with an updating weatrhew widget on the same page forex Dec 23 14:18:50 thresh: : first of all it's large, as you may notice Dec 23 14:19:10 yeah, but you get used to look at the small clock anyway Dec 23 14:19:54 thresh: not if you're a couple of meters away Dec 23 14:20:42 Say with it on the bedside table as an alarm clock with the kickstand out and charger on Dec 23 14:20:45 of your mobile phone? then probably they are stealing it from you ;)) Dec 23 14:22:27 anyway, it's a dead simple widget, why not Dec 23 14:23:08 and you can draw any type of clock your brain can imagine* Dec 23 14:23:28 *- standard behaviour expected :) Dec 23 14:23:40 Oh, by the way, does anyone know how to enable utf-8 in the terminal while using screen? Dec 23 14:25:54 oh and using ssh Dec 23 14:26:49 joppu: this help me a bit: Dec 23 14:26:50 wazd: just mod picture-frame to accept 1440 frame animated gifs Dec 23 14:26:51 export LC_ALL="en_GB.UTF-8" Dec 23 14:26:54 in my .profile Dec 23 14:27:23 SpeedEvil: yeah, that was my point :) Dec 23 14:33:08 fnordianslip: thank Dec 23 14:33:38 joppu: no problemo. i am using bash though, so not sure if that is significant. Dec 23 14:49:06 N900 battery died now after 1.5 hours charing over usb is stops loading during 5 dots going back and forth think it just needs more charge time? Dec 23 14:49:39 nm finally booted that time Dec 23 14:50:01 just needs more battery booted that time then died right away Dec 23 14:51:54 'Charging over USB' Dec 23 14:52:42 Some devices give such a low amperage that you really can't call it charging anymore ;) Dec 23 14:54:09 while charging, the device never goes to C4? Dec 23 14:55:08 hum yes it does Dec 23 15:05:31 well qgil only have a euro plug when it sent it to me and I never went to get a us plug or adapter Dec 23 15:07:15 a adapter is very cheap ;) Dec 23 15:10:24 X-Fade: Do you know why I cannot promote FBReader 0.10.7-9? Dec 23 15:11:12 Is it possible to dial a phone number from the address book using SIP instead of the direct cell phone line? Dec 23 15:11:16 Hi Again ! Dec 23 15:11:30 rdorsch: works with skype Dec 23 15:11:35 I only was able to do that by bringing up the dialpad Dec 23 15:11:54 and switch to a sip connection. Dec 23 15:13:50 RST38h, to extras ? Dec 23 15:14:38 VDVsx: Yes Dec 23 15:14:59 RST38h, 10 days of quarantine Dec 23 15:16:26 Ah Dec 23 15:16:41 VDVsx: Does ZLibrary also have to obtain 10 votes? Dec 23 15:17:07 RST38h, if is a lib, no Dec 23 15:17:13 if is in user/ ye Dec 23 15:17:13 Cooooooooooooool Dec 23 15:17:18 *yes Dec 23 15:17:20 No, it is a lib now Dec 23 15:17:28 So, have to wait for 10 days? Dec 23 15:18:01 yes, I guess you will receive a email when the package is ready for promotion Dec 23 15:18:42 Correct, you should. Dec 23 15:19:01 can i sync the n900's calendar with a google calendar ? Dec 23 15:19:35 jpe: I found no way to do that Dec 23 15:20:09 you can Dec 23 15:20:20 i've found the howto in russian how to do that Dec 23 15:20:27 url? Dec 23 15:20:39 http://arkanoid.livejournal.com/277655.html#cutid1 Dec 23 15:22:29 http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Farkanoid.livejournal.com%2F277655.html%23cutid1 Dec 23 15:24:51 tresh: pff, that transaltion is not very clear to me... Dec 23 15:25:27 cant help you. Dec 23 15:25:33 learn russian, you know ;) Dec 23 15:25:46 lbt: ping Dec 23 15:25:59 is the British Rail network working today? Dec 23 15:27:18 jpe: google, I'm sure you'll find threads on talk.maemo.org and maybe even youtube videos Dec 23 15:30:19 mgedmin: articles about import/export, but not about syncing... Dec 23 15:30:40 Mail for Exchange on the N900 + the google server that pretends to be Exchange Dec 23 15:32:19 mgedmin: it doesn't really work in sales Dec 23 15:32:29 the version of the protocol that we speak and that they speak isn't the same Dec 23 15:32:57 well, then, finding a Russian speaker to translate that article won't help jpe ... Dec 23 15:33:46 do you guys install dependencies in your armel target with apt-get install? Dec 23 15:34:48 pupnik, in scratchbox? yes; we also use fakeroot Dec 23 15:34:50 pupnik: apt-get builddep is an alternative Dec 23 15:35:06 isn't it spelled build-dep? Dec 23 15:35:33 whatever :) Dec 23 15:39:00 thanks for confirming that network access is possible Dec 23 15:39:22 you need to poke /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf and nsswitch.conf Dec 23 15:39:23 roughly Dec 23 15:39:30 google for those filenames and scratchbox Dec 23 15:40:43 and also check /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf Dec 23 15:40:57 there are two copies of those files in scratchbox: one in your target, one in /scratchbox Dec 23 15:41:11 one is used by emulated apps, other is used by devkit apps Dec 23 15:41:12 afaiu Dec 23 15:42:07 ty mgedmin yes, i've read it all. don't worry/bother Dec 23 15:43:49 hi! i have some code which compile with the old gcc 4.0.0 (april 2005). can i use a gcc4.0.0 toolchain under maemo? Dec 23 15:44:31 or i'd better fix my code so that it compiles under modern gcc? Dec 23 15:44:51 Merry Christmas! I will now paste a massive christmas tree ascii art. if you don't have the bandwidth, part. Dec 23 15:44:55 <|- Dec 23 15:45:25 cheshair: where do you want to host your program? Dec 23 15:45:59 cheshair: fixing the code is always better. Dec 23 15:47:21 pupnik_: host my program? i just want to run some tests Dec 23 15:47:51 thresh: i guess you are right. thanks! Dec 23 15:48:07 i was thinking that if you want to submit it to repository, it will need to build properly with autobuilder and whatever gcc they have... Dec 23 15:49:49 Someone know how to desactivate word completion in a hildon.TextView ? Dec 23 15:51:37 [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > ping 213.155.157.9 Dec 23 15:51:37 ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted Dec 23 15:51:52 elohel :) Dec 23 15:51:53 durrr. Any reason the USB connector on the bottom of the N900 isn't a standard one? Dec 23 15:52:08 it is a standard one Dec 23 15:52:25 they keep adding to the standard Dec 23 15:52:38 tcarl|work: micro-usb Dec 23 15:52:49 pupnik_: Ah, so much for that. I guess I just didn't have any other devices with that one :P Dec 23 15:52:56 Shows how up to date on the standards I am. Dec 23 15:53:22 yeah. at least we are past DB-25 Dec 23 15:53:25 tcarl|work: About every phone produced from now on will have that. Dec 23 15:54:09 Good to know. Why for the micro-usb over the 'b' style connectorL Dec 23 15:54:11 connector? Dec 23 15:55:11 If i could manufacture micro-usb cables without the "break my $800 device" lever-arm, i would. Dec 23 15:55:27 pupnik Dec 23 15:55:37 sup Dec 23 15:55:39 pupnik: you can, but it involves a dremel Dec 23 15:55:41 tcarl|work: smaller, and EU imposed standard. Dec 23 15:55:52 sorry - I have problems with premature returnulation when wearing gloves Dec 23 15:56:13 I've made some mini-b - though not micro as yet Dec 23 15:56:25 speed, i can cut away some of the rubber Dec 23 15:56:32 [2009-12-23 16:45:01] REJECTED: 'File size for /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/asterisk_1.6.2.0.orig.tar.gz does not match that specified in .dsc' Dec 23 15:56:35 pupnik_: not really the problem Dec 23 15:56:36 X-Fade Dec 23 15:56:42 pupnik_: though that can take off about half Dec 23 15:56:50 well on the nokia cable it wouldn't help much Dec 23 15:57:08 pupnik_: you then need to cut away the metal, and re-fix it so it clamps round the connector, is not held together by the end. Dec 23 15:57:13 How many connectors can you possibly have for a 5V - 4 pin connection?! Dec 23 15:57:42 you're right, SpeedEvil. i doubt i can solder that well though Dec 23 15:57:42 tcarl|work: A, B, mini-ab, mini-b, microb Dec 23 15:57:50 not even counting usb3 Dec 23 15:57:57 anyway, too late for me Dec 23 15:58:12 SpeedEvil: Right, I knew all the standards, (aside from the micro-b) -- but this is a bit nutso. Dec 23 15:59:20 X-Fade: since yesterday or so, about 90% of the time when i try to upload something it hangs at exactly 192k up (not 192k/sec, 192k total transferred). Dec 23 15:59:36 hello Dec 23 15:59:39 whats the root password on my N900? (sudo apt-get install x11vnc) is not happy. Dec 23 15:59:43 How can I save an alias (command for terminal use) on the n900? is there a .aliasrc (or other) file somewhere? Dec 23 15:59:58 Oli````: .profile ? Dec 23 16:00:05 Oli````: or .bashrc ? Dec 23 16:00:14 ~/.profile to use it with busybox Dec 23 16:00:32 tcarl|work: indeed. Dec 23 16:00:54 tcarl|work: Actually, I'm an advocate of throwing it away. Going with 4-pin 3.5mm for USB. Dec 23 16:00:56 tcarl|work, no root password Dec 23 16:01:01 tcarl|work: Dec 23 16:01:05 unless you set one by installing openssh-server Dec 23 16:01:32 A connector that c jebba & zash: sticking it in .profile worked well - thanks Dec 23 16:02:28 SpeedEvil: 4 pin "audio jack" with usb? Dec 23 16:02:40 SpeedEvil: like ipod shuffle? Dec 23 16:02:57 zash: pretty much Dec 23 16:03:05 zash: though I've never seen the shuffle Dec 23 16:03:21 SpeedEvil: Yeah, its too bad that we've had all the tomfoolery with those connectors. Dec 23 16:03:39 The shuffle is stupid. Dec 23 16:03:42 From the x-term on the N900, how do I access the super user account? (For instance, to use apt) Dec 23 16:03:42 all of the USB connectors pretty much fail the 'slam it in the dock' test miserably. Dec 23 16:03:46 the freakin planet is INFESTED with python coders, and we have no action on mypaint for maemo... http://popolon.org/gblog2/categorie/tout/sci-et-tech/logiciel-libre/mypaint/page/2 http://gudmundson.se/anders_gud/index.php?id=16 Dec 23 16:03:48 sudo gainroot Dec 23 16:03:54 afrter installing the right package. Dec 23 16:04:36 SpeedEvil: something more like wireless .. phones have for charging, like DECT? Dec 23 16:04:49 SpeedEvil: just some pins on the bottom Dec 23 16:04:52 zash: yes, that would be nicer Dec 23 16:04:52 SpeedEvil: sudo gainroot :: 'Enable RD mode if you want to break your device' Dec 23 16:04:57 zash: it has issues of its own Dec 23 16:05:09 SpeedEvil: would make it realy hard to break Dec 23 16:05:22 by twisting the device etc Dec 23 16:05:28 and cable Dec 23 16:05:37 oh, sudo gainroot 'root access command' Dec 23 16:05:38 zash: that would be my secondary preference over a magnetic jack of some form. Dec 23 16:05:58 SpeedEvil: yeah, that would be nice too Dec 23 16:06:22 zash: well - after power over wifi :) Dec 23 16:07:00 SpeedEvil: yea!, aka microwave-oven-the-size-of-your-hosue Dec 23 16:08:04 fiferboy: http://i036.radikal.ru/0912/c1/59c0797c6fac.png Dec 23 16:08:39 wazd: I like it Dec 23 16:10:15 ah Dec 23 16:10:16 ./flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode Dec 23 16:10:18 grr. Dec 23 16:13:35 You'd think that nokia would just sell N900s that are unlocked, without any root restrictions on them :P Dec 23 16:15:02 install rootsh Dec 23 16:18:23 tcarl|work: They are. Dec 23 16:19:49 tcarl|work: child safety locks aren't a bad thingf Dec 23 16:21:34 hmmm, my application manager tells me there s a "maemo" udpate Dec 23 16:21:42 is it a new firmware that s available ? Dec 23 16:22:00 melmoth: Click on details ;) Dec 23 16:22:23 tcarl|work, as far as I understand, rd-mode isn't something you're supposed to -use- your phone in Dec 23 16:22:37 argh, it says it needs the nokia app :-( Dec 23 16:22:51 i though update where just coming as new packages with apt-get Dec 23 16:22:54 right, rd mode turns on all sorts of debugging stuff you don't want all the time Dec 23 16:23:06 melmoth: Nokia app? Dec 23 16:23:15 ok Im getting worried N900 died this morning put it on usb charge and 3.5 hours later every time I try and turn it one I get it to boot but then says low battery shows red battery icon and then shutsdown Dec 23 16:23:31 AndrewBlack: Use a charger. Dec 23 16:23:44 this update needs the nokia update application on your pc. Connect the usb cable and open the update application thingy Dec 23 16:23:51 (the original text is in french) Dec 23 16:23:52 X-Fade, dont have one I guess Im going to the store today Dec 23 16:24:03 AndrewBlack: Some ports give so little juice that it actually costs more than it charges. Dec 23 16:24:06 is there a dict app in extras? Dec 23 16:24:13 AndrewBlack: Try a proper pc, not a laptop. Dec 23 16:24:22 I have car car charger in wifes car I guess I can try that Dec 23 16:24:43 in my experience, laptops give out more power than pcs, on usb. cos they are designed to be used without ac power... Dec 23 16:25:06 pc designers seem to think "well, you have to plug in the pc, might as well plug in the hub too..." Dec 23 16:25:58 The charger charges at 1.2A, so that is quite a lot more than a typical usb port delivers. Dec 23 16:26:02 well I got it on my Desktop now using the ports one back instead of front ports dont knowif i will help. Don't think I will make it 5 more hours with no phone lol Dec 23 16:27:11 I should have asked for a phone charger for christmas Dec 23 16:27:17 Basically charges your battery in an hour. Last 5% goes very slowly though. Dec 23 16:27:34 AndrewBlack: What happened to your original one? Dec 23 16:27:52 ali1234: actually that's probably just because laptops are more 'cheap' and power conserving design Dec 23 16:28:24 that makes no sense :) Dec 23 16:28:35 X-Fade, Im in US and when Quim mailed me N900 from finland all he had was a Euro Plug he sent it but doesn do me an good lol Dec 23 16:28:45 so simply have a single fuse for all usb ports rather than sophisticated current control Dec 23 16:28:59 X-Fade, Ive made due using USB and car charger in wifes car until now Dec 23 16:29:06 anyway, all i know is none of my external HD enclosures work with any of my PCs without external power source, but they all work with all my laptops without it Dec 23 16:29:24 AndrewBlack: Ah. Well, just use the euro one on your socket. Change the terminals a bit ;) Dec 23 16:29:51 ali1234: that matches well the situation as described by me above Dec 23 16:29:56 how i rite program 4 n900? how is program formed? how n900 get program? Dec 23 16:30:01 X-Fade, Cant put round pegs in a rectangle hole :) Dec 23 16:30:12 it was on the news this mroing, a mother in ar Dec 23 16:30:19 AndrewBlack: Sure you can, with force. Dec 23 16:30:21 and the euro to us adapter is more expensive then a us charger Dec 23 16:30:32 X-Fade, lol Dec 23 16:30:34 AndrewBlack: Or creative soldering. Dec 23 16:30:46 AndrewBlack: Unless the diameter of said rounded peg is smaller than the dimensions of rectangular hole Dec 23 16:31:06 itsnt more then just shape of plug? Dec 23 16:31:09 In which case, it's actually easier to fit a round peg into a square hole Dec 23 16:31:50 * AndrewBlack wonders if he can put a Euro plug in his house? Dec 23 16:32:12 AndrewBlack: No. These chargers eat 110 -> 230V 50->60Hz Dec 23 16:32:15 One should say, you cannot fit a round peg of radius 2x into a square hole with sides equal to x Dec 23 16:32:27 Without a laser... Dec 23 16:32:59 euro(F) to US(M) adapters are 10 a buck Dec 23 16:33:13 I'm pretty sure ebay has $2 adapters. Dec 23 16:33:18 Including shipping ;) Dec 23 16:33:28 mhm is my wlan at 1mbit because of powersaving or because of bad reception Dec 23 16:34:01 cehteh, the first one should be easy enough to rule out? Dec 23 16:34:24 do not use N900 on ATT network :( no 3G. Dec 23 16:34:26 basically always due to #2 Dec 23 16:34:38 i think so, but i am 3 meters from the AP with line of sight Dec 23 16:34:52 though switching to 100mW might help for reception Dec 23 16:34:52 neighbours use the same wifi channel? Dec 23 16:34:57 cehteh, how about: 3) some mystic incompatility Dec 23 16:35:37 chan conflict very usual case Dec 23 16:35:39 old dlink AP :/ Dec 23 16:36:11 nah laptop wots well Dec 23 16:36:26 AndrewBlack: http://cgi.ebay.com/Travel-Changer-Adapter-Plug-European-Euro-to-US-USA-NEW_W0QQitemZ220530562483QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3358a555b3 Dec 23 16:36:35 AndrewBlack: $1 incl. shipping ;) Dec 23 16:36:36 other problem was that the friggn dhcp there gave an ip out twice :P Dec 23 16:37:06 X-Fade, lol I guess I have no excuse not to order one now Dec 23 16:37:15 X-Fade: for 10pcs ? ;-) Dec 23 16:37:35 Hi Dec 23 16:37:37 All the way from Hong Kong ;) Dec 23 16:37:52 GAN800, What was that keyboard shortcut you mentioned to take a screenshot on Maemo 5? Dec 23 16:37:52 X-Fade, so you know its good quality then Dec 23 16:37:59 that's incredible indeed Dec 23 16:38:01 Ctrl-Shift-P? Dec 23 16:38:05 uhm Dec 23 16:38:09 cehteh, time to upgrade to new 802.11 :) Dec 23 16:38:22 I still say only monkeys and use that key combo Dec 23 16:38:44 irc messages lost strange Dec 23 16:38:56 AndrewBlack: I've ordered quite a few of these things for all kinds of countries. They generally aren't bad at all. Dec 23 16:39:08 dneary: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures Dec 23 16:39:16 andrewblack, yeah, ctrl-shift sucks. I've been seriously considering changing the keymapping to make shift and ctrl adjacent.. Dec 23 16:39:20 AndrewBlack: It is just 2 pieces of metal with some plastic, how hard can it be ;) Dec 23 16:39:38 This is pretty cool. When getting a incoming call, turn over the device so the screen faces down towards the table surface = Silence an incoming call Dec 23 16:40:31 AndrewBlack: lol, 5 for $2 ;) http://cgi.ebay.com/5X-Travel-Europe-Euro-EU-AU-To-US-USA-Adapter-Plug-New_W0QQitemZ280431494247QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item414b050467 Dec 23 16:40:46 well, i got packages installed at good speed Dec 23 16:41:05 X-Fade, then I would need 4 more n900s Dec 23 16:41:18 AndrewBlack: That is quite a nice target ;) Dec 23 16:41:21 andrewblack, sorry, but I don't see the down side? Dec 23 16:41:32 The £2000 price? Dec 23 16:41:48 I have to say that the N900 is a better 'phone' than the iphone is. (Call quality / etc) Dec 23 16:42:06 andrewblack, with vnc you could have all four desktops visible at once and you'd have one to spare! Dec 23 16:42:12 Really tcarl|work? I don't phone much, so I haven't really grokked that yet Dec 23 16:42:37 still far from 10 / buck. well forgot shipping ;-) Dec 23 16:42:42 Gadgetoid_mbp: Yeah, it seems that way. I'm still wrestling with ATT, to port my number to TMobile, and on ATT's network it seems to be a bit better. Dec 23 16:42:48 It'll also get much louder than my iphone. Dec 23 16:42:59 louder is good for me, very good Dec 23 16:43:36 ok if n900 doesn'boot this time Im givving up til I get charger Dec 23 16:43:39 I was going to use my iPhone for calls and the N900 for geekery Dec 23 16:44:13 gave wife my iphone made her happy Dec 23 16:44:28 Same here AndrewBlack ... so happy she got herself an iPhone 3Gs Dec 23 16:44:38 AndrewBlack: You don't have a charger for your N900? How does that work? :P Dec 23 16:45:10 AndrewBlack: give it time to boot the hidden os after plugin of charger Dec 23 16:45:12 iPhone is small enough for it to be an easy chuck into my gadget bag Dec 23 16:45:43 The only thing I'm fearful about my N900, is the screen -- being that its not made of glass :( Dec 23 16:46:03 I was at first sorrily disappointed by the 2.5mm/3.5mm to usb adapter Dec 23 16:46:19 AndrewBlack: I found N900 boot behaviour on chrger is quite weird and different from bott on battery Dec 23 16:46:19 tcarl|work, everyone asks that question. Quim sent me this n900 to do theme devolpment and to take the Linux shows when I got do talks on Mer. Since he is in europe he only had euro plugs so I can plug it in US Dec 23 16:46:22 but then I noticed that my charger was some 350mA one that came with my headset.. Dec 23 16:47:14 flux: lol, that will take a lot of time then ;) Dec 23 16:47:20 DocScrutinizer51, n900 is acting crasy I think it just need a good charge from a real source not USB its so dead its not getting enough power to make it though boot before dying Dec 23 16:47:30 x-fade, indeed, it wasn't charged fully after a night (8 hours or so) Dec 23 16:48:22 AndrewBlack: I find that basically every USB chargeable device wont charge from USB when depleted... fun that, isn't it? Dec 23 16:48:22 Hmmm Dec 23 16:48:36 AndrewBlack: I think it should get to he state where yellow led flashes even with 350mA Dec 23 16:48:42 AndrewBlack: dont boot then .. Dec 23 16:48:47 Funny, when we got the N900s first I set up syncing with Google over MfE, and while it didn't work every time, it mostly worked Dec 23 16:49:02 It allowed me to sync my phone book as a one-off operation, at least Dec 23 16:49:08 charging is controlled by the cpu, it can come to a state where no charging is possible Dec 23 16:49:10 Gadgetoid_mbp, yeah I have had that problem before but normally i get get n900 to boot after a few hours must reall be dead this tiem Dec 23 16:49:24 And now, when I try to set it up after reflashing, I don't get past the "server settings" page Dec 23 16:49:48 Anyone else had this problem? Is there code checking if you're trying to sync with Google and preventing it now? Dec 23 16:49:52 DocScrutinizer51, yeah I get the yellow charging light not not charging enough lol Dec 23 16:50:01 AndrewBlack: Is it cold over there? It can help to put it in your pocket. Dec 23 16:50:18 Big scratchbox is big Dec 23 16:50:21 AndrewBlack: that's strange Dec 23 16:50:26 But it should just charge without being booted. Dec 23 16:50:38 X-Fade, like 60degrees f Dec 23 16:51:01 DocScrutinizer51, Iḿ sure its not helping me trying to boot it ever 20 mintues lol Dec 23 16:51:05 even with 350mA charger bat should be completely charged after 6h Dec 23 16:51:51 DocScrutinizer51: Bringing the usb port up costs power too it seems. Dec 23 16:52:00 docscrutinizer51, assuming the device isn't on? Dec 23 16:52:06 * tcarl|work hates ATT Dec 23 16:52:08 lots. Dec 23 16:52:37 X-Fade: that's well understood here. I had the idea its understood at Nokia as well Dec 23 16:52:51 flux: exactly Dec 23 16:53:10 and make that 9h Dec 23 16:53:29 I've been thinking that the device should be able to give a decent guestimate on battery consumption, judging from cpu load, network load, etc Dec 23 16:53:45 n810 used to give a runtime in hours for usage and for idle Dec 23 16:54:00 of course, maybe the device actually knows the battery draw, no idea Dec 23 16:54:35 flux: lshal l grep bat Dec 23 16:55:23 recommendations for N900 cases? Dec 23 16:55:25 docscrutinizer51, yeah, it has that, but I wonder if the reason it isn't shown in the GUI is that it might ont be accurate.. Dec 23 16:55:36 docscrutinizer51, also it gives only one number Dec 23 16:55:46 yep Dec 23 16:56:22 anyone done any rsync backup with their N900 yet? :P Dec 23 16:56:35 flux: probably some part of hw / fw was smarter on N810 Dec 23 16:57:58 Would a case like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Black-Silicone-Case-Skin-Cover-For-Nokia-N900_W0QQitemZ370309444596QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item563829b3f4 cause problems with bringing up the pointer in the web browser? Dec 23 16:57:59 anyway. Need to prepare for 3 days of emergency Dec 23 16:58:04 bbl Dec 23 16:59:09 Heh, the N900 does seem to get pretty warm, during calls. Dec 23 17:00:07 tcarl|work, umm, how would the sliding keyboard work with that? Dec 23 17:00:58 it's in two parts Dec 23 17:01:07 tcarl|work, I bought zagg's invisible shield, seems to be a decent one that doesn't affect operating at all (the stylus doesn't slide as good as it used to now, though) Dec 23 17:02:01 ..but the film sure was a bitch to put on, especially over the display.. Dec 23 17:04:15 this sleve is covering the ambient light sensor :-( Dec 23 17:04:31 does anyone experience ham getting stuck while updating on pr1.1? Dec 23 17:09:42 flux: Yeah, I looked at that, and heard horror stories of trying to get that shield over the display, and how it was damn near impossible to get rid of all the bubbles. Dec 23 17:12:21 flux, I thought the zagg ones were easy to install once you wet them Dec 23 17:12:23 tcarl|work, indeed, it's a bit difficult :). and better do it in a room with relatively little dust.. like a clean-room :) Dec 23 17:12:32 andrewblack, yes.. have you tried doing it? Dec 23 17:12:43 it comes with a sponge for wetting them Dec 23 17:12:57 flux, Havent ordered one for n900 yet but had one for my iphone Dec 23 17:13:51 flux to fix dust problem run hot shower in bathroom steam gets dust wet then it settles Dec 23 17:14:03 hmm. To use the flasher with the N900, do you need to set it in mass storage mode? or pc suite mode? Dec 23 17:14:08 PC Suite mode, doesn't seem to work. :( Dec 23 17:14:21 after a few days I readjusted mine, it turned out to be ok.. except the corners got some damage. but I'll live with it :) Dec 23 17:14:51 I also got a full shield that also covers the backside, and it had the added benefit that the backside also gets a bit sticky.. it won't slide off things as easily either :) Dec 23 17:15:43 flux: Cool. I'm most concerned about the fact the screen isn't made of glass. Dec 23 17:15:55 tcarl|work: the screen is Dec 23 17:16:01 tcarl|work: the front element is not. Dec 23 17:16:24 And with a screen protector, you can't damage the front element without smashing the glass. Dec 23 17:16:28 9 Dec 23 17:16:30 right, either way, the resistive touchscreen element is not glass. Dec 23 17:16:34 through mechanical impact) Dec 23 17:16:35 meaning scratchy scratchy. Dec 23 17:16:51 replace protector -> no scratched Dec 23 17:16:56 Hi Dec 23 17:17:02 mine was for two weeks without the film, didn't get a scratch on it Dec 23 17:17:07 Anyone here thinking of presenting at FOSDEM? Dec 23 17:17:15 of course, I was a big careful about it, knowing the film was coming Dec 23 17:17:36 Yeah, I'm tempted to try that. The difficulty of installation is currently a turn-off to me though. Dec 23 17:17:49 too bad nokia didn't include a case like they did with n810 Dec 23 17:17:51 it's really not hard Dec 23 17:18:31 does --enable-rd-mode usually take forever? Dec 23 17:20:41 SpeedEvil: Yeah, but I'm a perfectionist :P Dec 23 17:21:49 googling be damned I can't seem to find an apt command that will list all packages belonging to a repository. apt-cache showpkg seems to list installed packages and apt-cache search * produces nothing. Dec 23 17:22:13 aspidites: pipe the output from showpkg to apt-get install Dec 23 17:22:24 oh nevermind. Dec 23 17:22:36 you want available packages, not installed ones :P Dec 23 17:22:41 right Dec 23 17:22:48 this is why i like my archlinux :-) Dec 23 17:23:23 are repositories unresponsive completely? Dec 23 17:23:55 aspidites: apt-cache pkgnames Dec 23 17:23:59 pipe that to install Dec 23 17:24:19 tcarl|work: will try Dec 23 17:27:29 no dice. reading "apt-cache --help" also reveals that that command is only for installed packages not installable ones Dec 23 17:27:33 what the hell? Dec 23 17:27:48 why can't I enable RD mode on my phone through the flasher? Dec 23 17:28:26 Method is not supported in the current mode :( Dec 23 17:28:27 sad Dec 23 17:28:54 are you in the bootloader or is the pohone running normally? Dec 23 17:29:00 -o Dec 23 17:29:02 phone is running normally. Dec 23 17:29:15 hmm.. wonder if i could use a regex with apt-cache search Dec 23 17:29:19 maemo@maemo-desktop:~/Desktop/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2$ sudo ./flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode Dec 23 17:29:19 flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) Dec 23 17:29:19 USB device found found at bus 001, device address 002. Dec 23 17:29:19 Using flashing protocol Mk II. Dec 23 17:29:20 Method is not supported in the current mode Dec 23 17:29:22 doh Dec 23 17:29:24 wrong paste. Dec 23 17:29:26 Sorry about that. Dec 23 17:29:33 Was going to link to pastebin, apologies for the flood. Dec 23 17:29:36 shut the phone down... Dec 23 17:29:46 run the command... Dec 23 17:29:52 plug the phone Dec 23 17:29:55 ah. command loads the phone. Dec 23 17:29:56 got it. Dec 23 17:29:58 I'm an idiot. Dec 23 17:30:43 is anyone else having terrible troubles with the repositories? I barely got one successful apt-get update out of 15 tries Dec 23 17:31:08 this is with PR1.1 Dec 23 17:32:18 got it to work using regex :-) Dec 23 17:33:11 cool, what cmd did ya use? Dec 23 17:33:38 apt-cache search [a-z,A-Z,0-9] Dec 23 17:33:57 assuming you have no packages that start with odd characters :) Dec 23 17:34:20 tcarl|work: true. i think debian has packaging standards that prevent that, which is why i didn't worry Dec 23 17:34:39 Hopefully :) Dec 23 17:34:51 if you're against official debian repositories, I'm sure they adhere to that. Dec 23 17:35:00 But, against non official repositories, I'd watch out. Dec 23 17:35:05 god forbid i have to install a package named @&^Rsome_app Dec 23 17:35:16 evening chaps Dec 23 17:35:30 evening lardman Dec 23 17:36:22 Stupid predictive text. Dec 23 17:36:31 I just accidentally identified to 'ni'. Dec 23 17:36:34 * SpeedEvil sighs. Dec 23 17:36:40 (already changed passwords) Dec 23 17:36:42 ouch. Dec 23 17:36:44 thats not good. Dec 23 17:37:53 Hi again ! Dec 23 17:37:54 noone have an idea on how to remove word completion in a hildon Textview ? Dec 23 17:38:00 I see Sygic is abusing the maemo.org logo. Dec 23 17:38:47 SpeedEvil: disable predictive, disable autocap. sucks Dec 23 17:39:20 hi all Dec 23 17:39:20 DocScrutinizer: I dunno. Dec 23 17:39:37 DocScrutinizer: predictive is just useful enough for me that I keep it on. Dec 23 17:39:43 DocScrutinizer: only just though. Dec 23 17:40:49 I WAnT to make it optional for pygtkeditor Dec 23 17:41:04 this is why i want to found a way to inactive it Dec 23 17:41:05 I thought that as well. but ended with always missing one of the needed double-bs to correct typos. that's when 8 was fed up with it Dec 23 17:41:38 Kht_n900: you can disable it alltogether Dec 23 17:41:51 did you know how to innactivate it on a textview ? Dec 23 17:42:08 how ? Dec 23 17:43:15 there isn t anything in api about that Dec 23 17:44:46 SpeedEvil: autocap is a mega pita for passwords. so that's no good as well Dec 23 17:45:05 true Dec 23 17:45:17 especailly with the breakage in some cases meaning it's always *'d Dec 23 17:45:35 the ability to turn that off would be nice. Dec 23 17:45:36 where is firmware 51-1???? Dec 23 17:45:55 shoulder surfing is lots less of a risk whern the chars are 3mm high Dec 23 17:46:32 SpeedEvil: full ack Dec 23 17:46:48 anyone experiencing https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7277 ? Dec 23 17:46:50 Bug 7277: Often stalls indefinitely while refreshing repositories, stalls while downloading packages Dec 23 17:47:03 so noone know how to remove autocaps in a textview ? Dec 23 17:47:40 Kht_n900: you're talking about capitalizing first letter in a text box? Dec 23 17:47:53 i m browsing documentation, example code, mailing list for 3 hours ago Dec 23 17:48:03 TomaszD : and word completion Dec 23 17:48:13 TomaszD, nop, but are you experiencing https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7276 Dec 23 17:48:14 Bug 7276: maemo optify works in postinst and breaks still when space is limited Dec 23 17:48:19 Kht_n900: I know of global setting only Dec 23 17:48:28 Kht_n900: check out http://gpodder.org/commit/e4b8fac7 Dec 23 17:48:45 arg :( Dec 23 17:48:45 i ll look Dec 23 17:48:54 thx tomaszD Dec 23 17:49:16 lcuk: I think they fixed it in PR1.1 Dec 23 17:49:50 fixed without a bug report Dec 23 17:50:04 RST38h: PR1.1 community testing Dec 23 17:50:16 yeah i know what it is Dec 23 17:50:20 * lcuk isnt working from 42.11 Dec 23 17:50:54 TomaszD: Works for me? Dec 23 17:51:01 besides, this is maemo-optify in the sdk/builder Dec 23 17:51:27 X-Fade: presummit or summit device? Dec 23 17:51:49 TomaszD: Where is it though? =) Dec 23 17:51:50 lol @ backup app warnings Dec 23 17:51:52 TomaszD: it s works ! THANKS A LOT ! Dec 23 17:51:59 hey lardman \o Dec 23 17:52:02 * RST38h would happily test 51-1 =) Dec 23 17:52:14 "device contains file of the same name, rename backup" but what's the bloody file in question you stupid computer!? ;) Dec 23 17:52:26 RST38h: report bugs and be active, maybe you'll get invited next time around :) Dec 23 17:52:36 hi lcuk Dec 23 17:52:43 Kht_n900: np Dec 23 17:52:44 TomaszD: Legacy. Dec 23 17:53:01 lardman, i knew there was something to show you, lemme dig the photo i tool in barcelona Dec 23 17:53:47 X-Fade: legacy here as well. Third time restarted fmradio install, finally went through, very weird Dec 23 17:53:53 RST38h: : haha, you're an unactive loser :D Dec 23 17:54:28 if you say so wazd, I don't get to choose who gets an invite Dec 23 17:54:35 RST38h: welcome to the club :D Dec 23 17:55:06 TomaszD: You mean, all these reports of "still not working in 51-1" I am getting are for someone else's bugs? Dec 23 17:55:08 =) Dec 23 17:55:20 wazd: Yea, falling below the event horizon... Dec 23 17:56:00 RST38h: well, I can make some tea before you'll join me in singularity :D Dec 23 17:56:29 RST38h, you're not in the list ? Dec 23 17:56:35 VDVsx: Apparently not Dec 23 17:56:44 strange since you're one of the people with more bug reports Dec 23 17:57:04 VDVsx: I am probably too much of PITA or something :) Dec 23 17:57:25 office ej Dec 23 17:58:27 lardman: http://liqbase.net/liq.barcode.advert.barcelona.for.lardman.20091204_002.jpg Dec 23 17:58:30 RST38h: : You're too much blonde! Fightclub :) Dec 23 17:58:34 seen on a bilboard right outside the hotel Dec 23 17:58:38 wazd: Me? Blonde? Dec 23 17:58:43 * RST38h facepalms Dec 23 17:58:45 RST38h: : yep :D Dec 23 17:58:57 RST38h: : *too much* :) Dec 23 17:59:59 well the photo was tooled Dec 23 18:01:11 RST38h, your are #4 in bug reports :( Dec 23 18:01:48 VDVsx: well there is a slight probability that GMail classified invitation as spam Dec 23 18:02:19 RST38h, probably Dec 23 18:02:22 better check Dec 23 18:02:37 oooh, I know what I'll do Dec 23 18:02:46 I'll take Vlad's n810 :D Dec 23 18:03:03 RST38h, actually is #9 :D Dec 23 18:03:22 time to port my number! Dec 23 18:03:22 wazd: Glue two of 'em together! Dec 23 18:03:57 * wazd plays with hardware eToken pass generator Dec 23 18:04:01 VDVsx: Nah, nothing. Dec 23 18:04:17 RST38h: : DS style :) Dec 23 18:04:35 wazd: Use a door hinge! Dec 23 18:04:46 RST38h: : yeah :) Dec 23 18:05:01 RST38h: : Pandora style :D Dec 23 18:05:13 I'm wondering if I should get a Droid on contract and sell it to some smuck, equalling a massively discounted contract... but the word "contract" doesn't turn me on unless it's preceded by "rolling, 1 month" Dec 23 18:05:16 Has Pandora shipped already? Dec 23 18:05:21 no Dec 23 18:05:22 lol Dec 23 18:05:27 Ehehe Dec 23 18:05:39 RST38h: only preliminary mass production units to super mega core devs Dec 23 18:05:39 Gadgetoid_mbp, a rolling one month contract can still land you in shit Dec 23 18:05:40 hmm. never thought about using my spare 810 this way ;-P Dec 23 18:05:50 prepaid ftw normally Dec 23 18:05:57 lcuk: true, dat Dec 23 18:06:37 Gadgetoid: you're in the states? Dec 23 18:06:37 I'd like a good prepaid data/voice SIM, that I could top up with about £15 a month Dec 23 18:06:42 SpeedEvil: UK Dec 23 18:06:48 RST38h: : no, but amniotic fluids are gone already :) Dec 23 18:06:51 wazd: the eink one from paypal? Dec 23 18:07:03 Gadgetoid: do you use many minutes? Dec 23 18:07:04 I'd call it a Milestone, but then nobody knows what the hell I'm talking about Dec 23 18:07:09 SpeedEvil: Approximately none Dec 23 18:07:12 Gadgetoid: or is it data only? Dec 23 18:07:22 My £15/pm is data only at the moment Dec 23 18:07:33 SpeedEvil: nah, basic LCD Dec 23 18:07:36 wazd: Somehow I keep believing they are trying to deliver the baby through a wrong orifice though Dec 23 18:07:43 It can send texts at cost, and probably even theoretically receive calls Dec 23 18:07:55 lcuk: :) Dec 23 18:08:15 SpeedEvil: but it has cool special effect when numbers appear :) Dec 23 18:08:21 I'd ultimately love a PAYG voice SIM bonded magically to a monthly data SIM Dec 23 18:08:26 Gadgetoid: one option - for cheap calls - is tmobile - which with a PAYG sim, and a 6 month internet booster - for a total of 25 quid gets you a sim and a 6 month contract. Dec 23 18:08:33 Gadgetoid: err Dec 23 18:08:43 SpeedEvil: Or what you just said... Dec 23 18:08:47 Gadgetoid: SIM and 6 months data capped at 1G/mo Dec 23 18:08:58 Gadgetoid: well - with a fair use of ratehr Dec 23 18:09:07 1g/mo isn't great, but realistically I'm not going to exceed that on a mobile Dec 23 18:09:13 yeah. Dec 23 18:09:18 And, at that price, I could keep my data SIM anyway Dec 23 18:09:25 And 20/6 is a good price Dec 23 18:09:31 lardman, ho wmuch snow is at yourend? Dec 23 18:09:32 t-mobile is unlimited, 1GB "fair use", after that they degrade you to gprs Dec 23 18:09:44 http://www.open-pandora.org/images/stories/pandastart.jpg - render failed Dec 23 18:09:53 there's nothing under volume wheel Dec 23 18:09:56 I love the abuse of the term "unlimited" Dec 23 18:10:03 ali1234: hitting 1G/mo - if you're in wifi range most of the time - is gonna be hard though Dec 23 18:10:06 at least on web'n'walk Dec 23 18:10:16 ali1234: this isn't web and walk Dec 23 18:10:16 yeah i have never gone over the 1GB that i know of Dec 23 18:10:19 wazd: why look at renders? there's photos of mass production devices... Dec 23 18:10:39 Gadgetoid_mbp: well, render is still failed :) Dec 23 18:10:45 I'm in wifi range unless in a car, in which case I'm still in wifi range on long journeys thanks to the MiFi Dec 23 18:10:52 nice spot wazd, I never noticed it! Dec 23 18:12:01 Gadgetoid: topcashback are now only offering 15% on nokia alas. Dec 23 18:12:01 also 3 has a data only plan with unlimited free skype calls Dec 23 18:12:19 SpeedEvil: I don't know if I'll even get my cashback Dec 23 18:12:20 so you'd only have to pay for skype-out minutes or w/e Dec 23 18:12:30 The day of reckoning approaches Dec 23 18:12:47 Gadgetoid: oh - I diddn't realise you'd bought already. Dec 23 18:12:47 But from what I know about the cashback process (from first hand experience) Nokia will not pay up Dec 23 18:13:01 Yeah SpeedEvil, did 2x15% discount + TopCashBack Dec 23 18:13:11 3*15%+... Dec 23 18:13:13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD6gytB1iw8 - oober oldskool Dec 23 18:13:31 (inc spare bat) Dec 23 18:13:33 I'm just looking for a SIM to put in it, as I've got either PAYG Orange, or Three Data Only Dec 23 18:13:36 Nice one Dec 23 18:13:37 lcuk: almost nothing, just a dusting then ice Dec 23 18:13:45 lcuk: is raining now Dec 23 18:13:46 I'll grab a free spare bat, anyhow.. BLAG POWER Dec 23 18:14:03 Gadgetoid: my n900 is working well with tmob anyway Dec 23 18:14:07 Mobile phone accessory shops email me all the time, as part of their goddamned link building strategies Dec 23 18:14:16 you lucky thing, the sideroads here (my house) are totally white still, main roads now clearing Dec 23 18:14:31 I'd like some snow actually! :) Dec 23 18:14:43 Thanks for the tip off, SpeedEvil, I'll definitely look into it at that price Dec 23 18:14:55 I've used t-mob before (Vario 3/TyTN II) and liked 'em Dec 23 18:15:13 Gadgetoid: it's hidden - go to payg accounts - and then ignore the obvious internet options, and hit 'boosters' Dec 23 18:16:53 awesome, e-uae compiles and runs with no mods :) Dec 23 18:17:24 ali1234: you know that uae4all was built for maemo? Dec 23 18:17:30 where is it? Dec 23 18:17:36 where else Dec 23 18:17:40 SpeedEvil: Very hidden! Dec 23 18:17:42 it;s in the repos now? Dec 23 18:17:58 haha Dec 23 18:18:05 http://pupnik.de/uae4all.gz Dec 23 18:18:25 also 441080 Feb 29 2008 uae_0.8.25-6_gregale.deb Dec 23 18:18:45 needs a nice gui Dec 23 18:18:53 does it use the e-uae gui? Dec 23 18:19:25 actually i never got the source iirc Dec 23 18:19:52 SpeedEvil: 5 days mobile internet at £2.50, assuming 30 days in a month, 30/5*2.5 = £15 Dec 23 18:20:02 why does everyone uae uae4all for arm ports? Dec 23 18:20:08 isn't it for sh4? Dec 23 18:20:19 i dunno man, working on other things Dec 23 18:20:28 what's the advantage over upstream? Dec 23 18:20:56 uae_0.8 ran about 4 fps and i got uae4all up to about 20 with -fprofile-generate Dec 23 18:21:09 e-uae is running plenty fast ... Dec 23 18:21:13 cool Dec 23 18:21:24 can't see the timer, will investigate after i eat Dec 23 18:21:25 please tell me it's not using sdl audio Dec 23 18:21:29 dunno Dec 23 18:21:33 almost certainly is Dec 23 18:21:52 i was putzing with that for days, trying to get sdl-audio running with pasuspender Dec 23 18:22:09 it loses it every 10 seconds or so, regardless of load Dec 23 18:22:24 whereas something like mplayer -ao alsa will run happily w/o issues Dec 23 18:22:43 Wow, a Christmas miracle. TNT picked the Droid up at 6:22 Dec 23 18:23:09 hm i have an idea Dec 23 18:25:55 gadget yeah - not that Dec 23 18:28:54 hmm paste into xchat? Dec 23 18:29:36 ^V Dec 23 18:29:48 gadg: services- boosters- http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/payg/boosters/#6-month-internet Dec 23 18:29:55 that Dec 23 18:29:58 thanks Dec 23 18:30:31 http://www.three.co.uk/Pay_As_You_Go/SIM_Only/About_free_SIM - would be nice if it said what the "generous free mobile internet allowance" actually was Dec 23 18:30:34 qwer[tab] [tab] :/ Dec 23 18:30:47 n900evil: cheers! Dec 23 18:31:09 funny to see who disappears and gets active over the holidays Dec 23 18:31:25 s/gets/who gets/ Dec 23 18:31:25 pupnik meant: funny to see who disappears and who gets active over the holidays Dec 23 18:32:28 n900evil: very, VERY hidden! sheesh... I was looking at the PAYG SIMs themselves Dec 23 18:33:38 Can't complain about £3.33/month Dec 23 18:34:44 if anybody finds a pay as you go tmobile internet option in the states that's cheap... tell me :) Dec 23 18:35:01 * Gadgetoid_mbp orders a free PAYG SIM from T-mob Dec 23 18:35:20 A free what? Dec 23 18:35:37 PAYG = Pay As You Go Dec 23 18:35:57 http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/free-pay-as-you-go-sim-cards/ Dec 23 18:36:00 hEy, could someone please check if it's possible to port klogic to maemo? Dec 23 18:36:31 Ah. I was planning to get an unlocked phone and then go with something similar myself. Dec 23 18:36:40 link, bongo|kup Dec 23 18:36:50 Also says "Top up £10 for FREE unlimited internet & texts next month" Dec 23 18:37:18 Although I don't foresee toping up £10/month Dec 23 18:37:46 dIrect hit on google ... Im typing from my phone, sorry, pupnik Dec 23 18:39:44 looks doable bongo|kup Dec 23 18:41:27 grr .. a little spring came off the camera slide here.. Dec 23 18:42:15 So it is time to install the sdk Dec 23 18:42:25 ::) Dec 23 18:42:31 bongo|kup: need a kde/qt person to look into it and see how nasty the kde integration is Dec 23 18:42:58 Unmet build dependencies: kdelibs4-dev Dec 23 18:43:19 kde integration is always beautiful :) Dec 23 18:45:28 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=392144#post392144 Dec 23 18:45:34 grr ... yes exactly that Dec 23 18:47:18 Hmm, I don't slide my camera enough to have that problem yet Dec 23 18:49:45 the original headset of the n900 are really bad... missing bass and missing mid-range sound :( Dec 23 18:49:48 i didnt slide it much Dec 23 18:50:09 but the black cap is really thin and only glued to the blue plastic Dec 23 18:50:29 roadi: i dont even consider to try them out :) Dec 23 18:52:09 roadi: Ask Nokia nicely, and they might give you some Sennheiser i7s to replace them Dec 23 18:52:15 Clearly your headset is broken Dec 23 18:52:35 ie8s even! Dec 23 18:52:42 * cehteh has a sennheiser px200 .. i can really recommend it Dec 23 18:52:59 cehteh: they were good! Dec 23 18:53:01 i have sennheiser hd595 and i can really recommend it Dec 23 18:53:12 But I use Roland RH300s now Dec 23 18:53:13 but they're not something one might want to walk around Dec 23 18:53:19 (waay too big) Dec 23 18:53:22 i can de-recommend the Ultimate Ears 5.1 headphones. bad seals and corroded cables. Dec 23 18:53:24 considering to buy a pxc300 with noise canceling Dec 23 18:53:27 earbuds rather Dec 23 18:53:35 i dont like earbuds Dec 23 18:53:37 have a really good mix ... you can test it... btw i have a 40 euro creative usb sound card with headset. Dec 23 18:53:41 Also got the noise cancelling cans Dec 23 18:53:43 closed headphones ftw Dec 23 18:54:00 cehteh: the PXC350 are good Dec 23 18:54:12 The PXC300... not so much Dec 23 18:54:14 Gadgetoid: ah yes was 350 .. Dec 23 18:54:23 the newest one i mean Dec 23 18:54:25 But I've only ever really used my 350s on flights Dec 23 18:54:26 the original, like all canalphones, will sound like crap if you don't get airtight seal Dec 23 18:54:56 corroded cables? Dec 23 18:55:01 I still swear by the Roland RH300, don't need noise cancelling as they just drown out everything quieter than the inside of a jet liner Dec 23 18:55:18 And you can get 'em for around £140 now Dec 23 18:55:20 * RST38h never bought wired headphones for more than $9.99 Dec 23 18:55:26 should I? Dec 23 18:55:32 RST38h: yes Dec 23 18:55:40 but why Dec 23 18:55:59 I'm half deaf and I can tell the difference... Dec 23 18:56:00 RST38h: because, unless you're deaf, the difference is staggering Dec 23 18:56:29 I had wireless headphones after getting tired of wires that become so stiff and brittle within 6months they just break... but then I switched back to wired when I couldnMt find wireless with nice sound Dec 23 18:56:32 although that does make me favour headphones that are capable of being ridiculously loud- by which I mean you can comfortably use them as desktop speakers without distortion Dec 23 18:56:53 ShadowJK: stiff and brittle wires? where the hell do you live! Dec 23 18:57:14 i want to get sennheiser cx500 or ie8 for use with the N900 Dec 23 18:57:31 wazd: yandex may port their maps! Dec 23 18:57:32 The IE8 are very good arachnist Dec 23 18:57:36 Maybe a little pricey though Dec 23 18:57:36 Gadgetoid_mbp: using headphones as speakers can damage them Dec 23 18:57:41 the plastic in them degrades Dec 23 18:57:43 * RST38h is probably deaf then =( Dec 23 18:58:01 arachnist: not when they're decent headphones ;) Dec 23 18:58:17 I like sennheiser... but not enough to pay cx500 årice without testing first Dec 23 18:58:25 Sennheiser IE7 are good enough, and really quite affordable in the grand scheme of things Dec 23 18:58:33 Gadgetoid_mbp: a friend of mine has damaged his HD555's Dec 23 18:58:44 I think I had the CX500s in, too, but didn't listen to them Dec 23 18:59:01 RST38h: : well, some guy has already made a plugin for MM Dec 23 18:59:03 arachnist: that's because those are cheap rubbish... Dec 23 18:59:05 the px200 is now available for 30-40 eur or so Dec 23 18:59:05 and it is really good .. closed comfortable headphone, but doesnt fit anyones ears Dec 23 18:59:12 Gadgetoid_mbp: HD555 ~ HD595 Dec 23 18:59:19 cx300 is dirt cheap, ludicrously lots of bass, and for me too loud with n900 on /lowest/ volume setting... Dec 23 18:59:23 wazd: but it is a patch to MM really Dec 23 18:59:27 not very useful =( Dec 23 18:59:31 Gadgetoid_mbp: there's not much difference Dec 23 18:59:33 arachnist: my statement still stands Dec 23 18:59:42 Gadgetoid_mbp: your statement is a fail Dec 23 18:59:47 :> Dec 23 18:59:48 I have absolutely blasted the bejesus out of my Rolands, they're immortal Dec 23 19:00:07 how long does your n900 take to charge on the charger? Dec 23 19:00:15 I use them plugged into a bass amp so I can hear it over everything else Dec 23 19:00:18 cehteh: hour or 2 Dec 23 19:00:22 wazd: btw, is your transmission ui mockup going to be used in transmission? Dec 23 19:00:22 arachnist, from zero? Dec 23 19:00:27 because it's taken 4 hours for me :-o Dec 23 19:00:30 flux: yes Dec 23 19:00:39 maybe I need to re-benchmark it Dec 23 19:00:44 * cehteh playing netradio while charging and it was almost full (was on usb before) and it takes ages now Dec 23 19:00:44 RST38h: if qwerty12 will cure his IRCfobia then yes :D Dec 23 19:00:52 heh Dec 23 19:00:53 blinking orange Dec 23 19:00:59 he is afraid of irc? since when? Dec 23 19:01:09 ~seen qwerty12 Dec 23 19:01:12 qwerty12 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 20d 37m 12s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'. Dec 23 19:01:17 is there some bug where it blinks orange but doesnt charge? Dec 23 19:01:19 As much as I love Sennheiser 'phones I always go back to them Dec 23 19:01:27 but reports its charging Dec 23 19:01:37 RST38h: for 20 days already :) Dec 23 19:01:38 wazd: did a transmission UI mockup!? Dec 23 19:02:01 Me wubb transmission Dec 23 19:02:13 Gadgetoid_mbp: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/ Dec 23 19:02:59 wazd: You're a genius Dec 23 19:03:06 hope he's ok. has a nice timidity project Dec 23 19:03:10 Loe the divider/progress bar idea Dec 23 19:03:34 And the colourful lovliness of all the info on the front screen complete with icons Dec 23 19:03:36 Gadgetoid_mbp: thanks, but far from it yet :) Dec 23 19:03:41 wazd: poor guy Dec 23 19:03:50 Hmm...MicroEmulator is running on n900 Dec 23 19:04:07 Hey, real clocks have the minute hand above the hour hand! Dec 23 19:04:40 oh Dec 23 19:04:41 * Gadgetoid_mbp would also love a quick launcher for the N900, it's lacking in the launcher dept Dec 23 19:04:47 fail :) Dec 23 19:04:50 But I'd want to swipe up and get a left/right scrolling dock Dec 23 19:04:57 Gadgetoid_mbp: gnome do?! Dec 23 19:05:02 * RST38h wonders whether he should package microemulator Dec 23 19:05:19 Hi Dec 23 19:05:23 zash: like that only less sucky Dec 23 19:06:06 gnome do annoyed me for reasons I can't even remember, looked into it for my Samsung NC10 a while back... before OSX broke my MBR and took over Dec 23 19:09:09 does anyone know if it's possible to use DUN of another phone from n900? Dec 23 19:09:23 like the internet tablets did Dec 23 19:09:45 cosmo_: yes you can Dec 23 19:09:57 from the ui? Dec 23 19:10:00 dund is whjat you want Dec 23 19:10:10 cosmo_: did not see from ui Dec 23 19:12:57 RST38h: any thoughts on 'nogr'? Dec 23 19:13:24 I am suspecting "run away" is the proper action atm. Dec 23 19:14:01 yeah, so, your uae4all doesn't work, it just instantly crashes out Dec 23 19:14:51 wasn't built for n900 Dec 23 19:17:04 excuses excuses Dec 23 19:17:11 pupnik: I have not seen the source yet, have to take a look Dec 23 19:17:17 honestly, you'd think these devs worked for free in their space time or something Dec 23 19:17:38 pupnik: also, doing to work right now, will probably finish it by 23:00 local Dec 23 19:18:43 k cheers! -- not many bbc micro fans apparently :/ Dec 23 19:18:55 Woo Maemo SDK installed Dec 23 19:20:53 hey, so, with sound emulation turned off, e-uae runs at 100% A500 speed on n900 Dec 23 19:21:06 now i just need to figure out why it wont let me turn sound on... Dec 23 19:21:30 because paula isnt there :P Dec 23 19:21:53 * Gadgetoid_mbp ducks Dec 23 19:22:17 it;s only using about 70% CPU too. Dec 23 19:23:03 which means it should run full speed even with pulse overhead :) Dec 23 19:25:29 Call me back when someone's invented a key for ScummVM that skips the bloody intro in Simon 2 Dec 23 19:26:44 VDVsx, ping? Dec 23 19:26:56 GAN900, pong Dec 23 19:27:09 GAN900, Request Timed Out Dec 23 19:27:15 doesn't it have a "fast forward" mode? Dec 23 19:27:23 maybe i'm thinking of something else Dec 23 19:27:43 VCR? Dec 23 19:28:29 Hmm, I'm eating healthy.... a plate of fried things and not one of them is bacon Dec 23 19:30:52 well, so much for that plan. after enabling sound, pulse uses 25% and hildon-status-menu uses 7% CPU Dec 23 19:31:29 mhm easter egg. .. doubleklick on the power button == lock device Dec 23 19:32:31 Woo, scratchbox is... uh... booting? Dec 23 19:34:08 that is why we have to either fix libSDL audio for alsa, or write alsa-backend for each sdl app Dec 23 19:34:43 'we'. meaning i failed. Dec 23 19:34:46 so far Dec 23 19:34:49 realised a serious flaw in n900's design. it has no hole for hand strap (so you can shake it without dropping it accidentally) Dec 23 19:35:06 eh it has Dec 23 19:35:11 it does Dec 23 19:35:16 Milo-, you fail to look carefully (like me in some things) Dec 23 19:35:19 you didnt rtfm Dec 23 19:35:26 oh, where is it? :o Dec 23 19:35:26 Milo-, does too. Dec 23 19:35:31 its got a lanyard pin/hole near the usb Dec 23 19:35:34 Bottom left Dec 23 19:35:43 is a handstrap part of the box? there was none in my box Dec 23 19:35:57 oh then it's on the wrong side :P Dec 23 19:36:03 phone for lefties :C Dec 23 19:36:07 cehteh: none in mine either Dec 23 19:36:08 what do i need to purchase to stick in that hole and get a strap? Dec 23 19:36:19 Milo-, i wish Dec 23 19:36:47 pup Dec 23 19:36:47 ah found it Dec 23 19:36:50 sorry Dec 23 19:36:52 pupnik, a Wiimote Dec 23 19:37:13 http://www.amazon.de/Hama-00091813-J-Straps-Lanyard-Face/dp/B001E77PSS/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1261596999&sr=8-5 Dec 23 19:37:38 Where is the other side of the hole GAN900 Dec 23 19:37:49 or is that a clicking pipn mechanism? Dec 23 19:37:53 pin Dec 23 19:38:02 I opened the back of the phone Dec 23 19:38:07 it's just an empty hole Dec 23 19:38:11 pupnik, you stick a loop through the hole and set it over the post inside Dec 23 19:38:22 ahh Dec 23 19:38:23 it's there Dec 23 19:38:24 found it Dec 23 19:38:38 achaa ty Dec 23 19:39:38 since my eyes are clearnoy not working for this job Dec 23 19:39:49 can anyone see where I put my e71's strap? :c Dec 23 19:39:57 Gief lanyard plz Dec 23 19:41:51 Milo-: under the bed Dec 23 19:42:00 Hello is there any way to speed up the process of accepting the invitation to upload packages to extra-devel repo like asking an admin here on IRC or something? Dec 23 19:42:03 found it, wasn't under the bed Dec 23 19:42:15 it was on the floor, where I had left it like a year ago Dec 23 19:42:56 "on the floor, where I had left it like a year ago" <| that scared me, kind of Dec 23 19:43:43 Lol $20 for a strap + lanyard from oakley Dec 23 19:44:12 I have a habbit of reeling such straps around my finger until I slip and then they fly away Dec 23 19:44:20 and place somewhere where I can't be bothered to go Dec 23 19:44:40 madrazr: what are you uploading? Dec 23 19:44:41 for example my memory stick, it has a strapstring Dec 23 19:45:06 pupnik: few python packages like bpython etc which are not there in the repo as far as I see Dec 23 19:45:08 so far it has once hit the light bulb (broke the glass :( ) Dec 23 19:45:15 and it has hit the wall gazillion times Dec 23 19:45:22 ty madrazr very nice Dec 23 19:46:07 pupnik: whats is the easiest way to check if the package has already been ported or is in some porting process? (I am mostly for python related stuff :P ) Dec 23 19:48:00 dunno, i google and browse the repos Dec 23 19:48:40 pupnik: Oh Ok Dec 23 19:49:22 please stick with it. a lot of effort gets wasted by ppl building local packages Dec 23 19:49:25 god brainstorm is slow ;< Dec 23 19:49:36 pupnik: I am sorry if I am bugging you, is there any way to speed up invitation acceptance process? Dec 23 19:49:44 pupnik: sure Dec 23 19:49:50 Nokia doesn't want to add any new features, which is why the page is so slow Dec 23 19:50:25 ;) Dec 23 19:52:42 madrazr, I got my invitation accepted in one day, so it should not be long before yours arrive Dec 23 19:52:56 baraujo: Oh cool! Dec 23 19:53:11 baraujo: thanks for that info, I can wait for one day, not a big deal :) Dec 23 19:53:30 madrazr, X-Fade handles invites and it is nearly Christmas. ;) Dec 23 19:53:35 madrazr, but then again, with the holidays and all, maybe it can take a little more time :) Dec 23 19:54:33 GAN900: baraujo: heh Ok, NP Dec 23 19:54:56 is qmake good for Maemo5 Qt-code? Dec 23 19:55:14 I mean can you use it in scratchbox? Dec 23 19:55:39 Hmm, just got to learn what the hell I'm supposed to do with scratchbox now Dec 23 19:59:30 Milo-: yes Dec 23 19:59:31 is there a trick to copy/paste a phone number ? would be nice to search something online and be able to paste the phone number directly Dec 23 20:00:20 bleader hilight it and ctrl+c? Dec 23 20:00:51 on n900 ? I mean being able to paste it to the phone application to call directly Dec 23 20:01:07 copy works, but theres on way to get the buffer back in the application it seems Dec 23 20:01:14 Okay, what do I type into scratchbox to port Unreal Tournament? :D Dec 23 20:01:43 bleader: ctrl+v ? Dec 23 20:02:02 bleader ctrl+v works Dec 23 20:02:08 Would be even nicer if the browser detected phone numbers and hyperlinked them, like a certain other mobile device Dec 23 20:02:30 I guess you first learn opengl and then opengl es... Dec 23 20:02:33 I need help connecting to the n810's internal gps over the network (gpsd port 2947) Dec 23 20:02:33 oh damn, so used to the linux way I didn't even thought of ctrl+c / ctrl+v Dec 23 20:02:38 sorry for my stupidity Dec 23 20:02:51 UT isn't open source Dec 23 20:02:58 bleader: read the shortcuts guide, it's awesome Dec 23 20:03:06 bleader which is weird, because linux supports ctrl+c/v ._ Dec 23 20:03:20 Milo: not really Dec 23 20:03:41 well, the gui-layers do Dec 23 20:04:14 kde and gnome might, and the multiple clipboards thing makes it the more confusing :) Dec 23 20:04:27 does not Dec 23 20:04:27 Milo-: never used it in any linux application select/middle-click or shitf+ins Dec 23 20:04:39 i love the fact that this sandbox Maemo development environment is sandboxed in a VM required to run it on OSX in the first place Dec 23 20:04:46 bleader true, but they still work Dec 23 20:04:52 What's a double sandbox? A kitty litter? Dec 23 20:05:05 shift-ins is equivalent to ctrl-c on windows, dunno about kde/gnome Dec 23 20:05:05 Milo-: yep, just didn't think of it at all Dec 23 20:05:09 thanks anyway Dec 23 20:05:30 Folks, join ze #n900 Dec 23 20:05:43 bleader it's definitely a biggie when you occasionally have to use windows-machines at school or work and none of the gui-enchanchements work :D Dec 23 20:05:49 hmm Dec 23 20:05:49 Chatting in #maemo about maemo would be nice for a change Dec 23 20:05:54 I have linux computer and run sdk in the ubuntu vm on it... Dec 23 20:05:59 you know what would be good? Dec 23 20:06:16 cookies? Dec 23 20:06:17 a metapackage that removes all those dumb "installers" and then enables all the extras repos Dec 23 20:06:27 lol Dec 23 20:06:33 ali1234: Hahaha Dec 23 20:06:34 ShadowJK: I like the way you think Dec 23 20:06:44 because doing all that crap everytime i have to reflash is getting annoying Dec 23 20:06:47 ali1234: those installers are a bit like the AOL trials of the mobile world Dec 23 20:06:52 yes i know Dec 23 20:07:01 which installers? ._ Dec 23 20:07:01 which is why a metapackage to remove them would be nice Dec 23 20:07:04 Yay, phones with crapware! Dec 23 20:07:09 I guess you still can't remove the games without breaking stuff? Dec 23 20:07:18 "facebook installer" "amazon installer" "foreca installer" etc etc Dec 23 20:07:27 ali1234 ah those Dec 23 20:07:32 removed them as well Dec 23 20:07:39 I'll admit to running facebook installer, did it just put a facebook shortcut on my sodding desktop? Dec 23 20:07:40 yeah i've removed them about 10 times now Dec 23 20:07:50 Gadgetoid pretty much yes Dec 23 20:07:52 Gadgetoid_mbp oh speaking of crapware. Apple tries to force adverting in computers and embedded devices Dec 23 20:07:55 *yay* Dec 23 20:08:02 Gadgetoid and you can install it thru app manager anyway Dec 23 20:08:05 all suddenly a fullscreen non-closable ad comes to your screeeen Dec 23 20:08:08 and you're screwed :P Dec 23 20:08:08 no there was a facebook shortcut there already Dec 23 20:08:19 Milo-: the day that happens, I uninstall OSX and install Ubuntu Dec 23 20:08:29 But I'll still buy Macs Dec 23 20:08:37 running the facebook installer just results in making a widget avaiable that halves your batterylife Dec 23 20:08:40 Gadgetoid_mbp Jobs wants that to be enforced in _all_ operating systems 8D Dec 23 20:08:44 Milo-: In certain circumstances, I might accept that for shiny hardware. Dec 23 20:08:53 Milo-: No, it's a patent. Dec 23 20:08:53 Milo-: Best of luck to him Dec 23 20:08:55 ok chaps i'm going to make that metapackage Dec 23 20:09:07 SpeedEvil at first Dec 23 20:09:10 Milo-: This doesn't mean that it's something they're going to actualy use. Dec 23 20:09:13 then he will conquer the world with it Dec 23 20:09:20 and make everyone's life living hell Dec 23 20:09:22 ali1234: you will be loved by all Dec 23 20:09:39 ali1234: but wont you need to install one of the extra repos in order to get that meta package in the first place? Dec 23 20:09:56 yaay. off of att. Dec 23 20:10:00 if that day comes, jobs better have a pretty good life guard next to him at all times, because pissed people will be pisse Dec 23 20:10:03 TMobile ++ :) Dec 23 20:10:03 d Dec 23 20:10:04 no, i'll copy it on my /opt then flashing won't delete it Dec 23 20:10:08 and just install it with dpkg -i Dec 23 20:10:13 Hoah! Dec 23 20:10:38 i'll probably need to install rootsh for that though Dec 23 20:10:49 i could make a .install Dec 23 20:10:56 I'm sure you can install without root? Dec 23 20:11:03 Either that, or I am stupid Dec 23 20:11:24 you can but you cant use dpkg Dec 23 20:11:45 ah yes, requires superuser Dec 23 20:11:54 Fail =/ Dec 23 20:12:05 user to /etc/sudoers Dec 23 20:12:17 to be honest there is so much stuff that you have to do after reflashing it would probably be easier to respin the image Dec 23 20:12:34 I can't get my N900 to flash, to enable RD mode. Dec 23 20:12:44 I turn off the phone, start up the flasher, then plug it in. Dec 23 20:12:54 The flasher never finds the N900.... any ideas? Dec 23 20:13:26 i'm not sure anybody should enable rd mode Dec 23 20:13:30 it just goes into mass storage mode, and the flasher never finds. Dec 23 20:13:47 I want root, to install vnc, flac, etc. Dec 23 20:13:49 haha Dec 23 20:13:56 so you;re not turning it off, you're locking it Dec 23 20:14:02 does the n810 have any firewalls other than iptables? Dec 23 20:14:03 no, I'm turning it off. Dec 23 20:14:06 and you don't need rd mode to do any of those things Dec 23 20:14:19 I want RD mode for ssh root access also. Dec 23 20:14:20 rd-mode ? Dec 23 20:14:26 R&D mode. Dec 23 20:14:28 you don't need rd mode for that either Dec 23 20:14:28 yeah. Dec 23 20:14:34 research and development? Dec 23 20:14:45 Er.... just install the root package Dec 23 20:14:47 I may not need any of those things, but I'd like to enable it anyway. Dec 23 20:14:53 how do I install that, without root? Dec 23 20:15:00 Using the app manager... Dec 23 20:15:04 tcarl|work: install it from app manager Dec 23 20:15:05 tcarl|work rootsh -package Dec 23 20:15:15 You never owned an n8x0 I guess? Dec 23 20:15:20 nope. Dec 23 20:15:29 Ah, then you're in for a surprise Dec 23 20:15:39 I'd also like to do some kernel recompilation, possibly. Dec 23 20:15:48 Unlike a shitty OS made by google which I shall not name, the N900 doesn't need to be rooted Dec 23 20:16:00 "some" kernel recompilation? Dec 23 20:16:07 yep. Dec 23 20:16:10 Yeah just recompile half of it... Dec 23 20:16:12 anyway, you don't even need rd mode for THAT Dec 23 20:16:50 tcarl|work: welcome to maemo, where root is just a package away Dec 23 20:16:59 the app manager doesn't have the root install. Dec 23 20:17:10 Enable the extras repo Dec 23 20:17:13 Or is it in devel? Dec 23 20:17:21 i can't connect to port 2947 remotely unless i use an ssh port forward, but iptables -L shows nothing being blocked. ideas? Dec 23 20:17:37 umm. I think you need root access to change sources.lst though. Dec 23 20:17:39 tcarl|work: hit the title in app manager, and hit `"application catalogues" Dec 23 20:17:43 so, what the hell? Dec 23 20:18:11 !root Dec 23 20:18:11 oh, Application manager is just a front end for apt. Dec 23 20:18:13 You've been using Android too much? Dec 23 20:18:17 DarwinSurvivor: its called a ip-specific bind Dec 23 20:18:17 ~root Dec 23 20:18:19 root is, like, not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. Dec 23 20:18:23 for localhost Dec 23 20:18:43 Stskeeps: any way to get around it, other than using ssh -L ? Dec 23 20:18:55 edit gpsd conf? Dec 23 20:18:57 You can add all the most horribly destructive of device crippling repos via Application Manager, it's wonderful! Dec 23 20:19:00 infobot: root is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access Dec 23 20:19:02 * infobot uses a keylogger to pwnz all is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access 's boxen. Dec 23 20:19:42 NOT helpful Dec 23 20:20:05 lol Dec 23 20:20:53 http://twitpic.com/t33mz witter redesigned :) Dec 23 20:21:02 just install rootsh package Dec 23 20:21:09 open terminal and write 'root' Dec 23 20:22:38 sudo gainroot ? Dec 23 20:22:49 with rootsh package it's just 'root' Dec 23 20:22:54 command's name is 'root' Dec 23 20:23:05 Say's sudo gainroot here, has it been updated? Dec 23 20:23:16 no idea, but that's what works. Dec 23 20:23:26 Weird, outdated description perhaps Dec 23 20:23:32 yeah but sudo gainroot *without* rootsh also is helpful ;-P Dec 23 20:23:33 by default I wasn't in /etc/sudoers Dec 23 20:23:49 Stskeeps: gpsd.conf doesn't seem to exist... Dec 23 20:24:14 -sh: gainroot: not found Dec 23 20:24:49 even the updated rootsh package says "enable root acess with sudo gainroot" Dec 23 20:25:08 'root' is still faster to write Dec 23 20:25:44 too right Milo- Dec 23 20:25:50 All those wasted keypresses... *sigh* Dec 23 20:26:33 yup, works for me in addition to sudo gainroot... who do I sue for the wasted time? Dec 23 20:27:21 rooted your shiznit yet tcarl|work? Dec 23 20:27:22 geez Dec 23 20:27:24 yourself? nobody forced you to do it Dec 23 20:27:32 ran: 'apt-get install wget' Dec 23 20:27:35 wowo. I sooo love my N900. Dec 23 20:27:42 and it won't do a thing Dec 23 20:27:54 Gadgetoid_mbp: Got rootsh installed, but I'd rather have enable rd-mode :( Dec 23 20:27:55 Like I said, in far too many words, the Motorola Droid sucks balls compared to the N900 Dec 23 20:27:58 appareently /usr/libexec/apt-worker decided that it is a good day to update apt Dec 23 20:28:07 tcarl|work: why bother..? Dec 23 20:28:24 no point now, really, after rootsh Dec 23 20:28:30 Note: As R&D mode has other side effects beyond simply enabling root access (including several that may negatively impact battery life), it is not the recommended method for gaining root access. Use rootsh instead. Dec 23 20:29:07 DocScrutinizer51: nobody forced that crazy woman to spill hot coffee on her lap, but she got a payoff! I want my share! Dec 23 20:29:28 So, tcarl|work, did you come from Android? Dec 23 20:29:45 or iPhone? Dec 23 20:29:58 iPhone isn't THAT hard to root! but you have a point there Dec 23 20:30:37 * DocScrutinizer51 spills some hot coffe on Gadgetoid_mbp's lap. now that's your share Dec 23 20:30:39 Can't wait to get my iPhone back, every time an iPhone user asks me why I have an N900 I can just say "oh I've got an iPhone too" Dec 23 20:30:55 DocScrutinizer51: sounds dirty! Dec 23 20:31:50 you asked for it :-P Dec 23 20:31:50 I'll keep my iphone, just get a sim for internet only. Dec 23 20:32:25 hrmm. What repository has x11vnc? (vnc server) Dec 23 20:32:41 Err Dec 23 20:32:51 Probably extras-devel, if I'm pulling a repo name out of my behind Dec 23 20:32:54 As it's still a little flaky Dec 23 20:33:42 Can you easily turn on a numerical battery %? Dec 23 20:34:01 tcarl|work: ##n900 Dec 23 20:34:06 thanks Dec 23 20:36:35 x11vnc 0.9.3-maemo7 extras-devel Dec 23 20:38:44 ae Dec 23 20:38:45 aw Dec 23 20:38:50 gpe-sudoku isn't optified Dec 23 20:39:06 isn't that considered a bug? Dec 23 20:39:18 though, it's from -devel Dec 23 20:39:26 it still should be Dec 23 20:39:52 http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/cannibal_bee/dem3.jpg Dec 23 20:41:13 timeless: Ctrl+Enter!!! Dec 23 20:41:19 ? Dec 23 20:41:48 Switches to full screen and back in XChat (and possibly other quick 'n' dirty ports), but doesn't do shiznit in any standard Maemo 5 apps Dec 23 20:42:13 It's like the N900 fullscreen button we never had, and seems threatened with extinction Dec 23 20:42:21 mmm? Dec 23 20:43:11 I'm guessing there's a reason it's not used in MicroB Dec 23 20:43:13 um Dec 23 20:43:17 ctrl-enter does nothing on fbreader, the completely undocumented - ctrl-bs does Dec 23 20:43:31 ctrl-enter is useful in sms and friends Dec 23 20:44:19 SpeedEvil: ctrl-bs? isn't that documented as returning to the app switcher Dec 23 20:44:20 Speed: Ctrl-Enter switches full screen in FBReader Dec 23 20:44:23 having a keystroke for full screen is mostly a waste of a keybinding Dec 23 20:44:39 Speed: I know because I have bound it Dec 23 20:44:49 Give me the option to bind it in the browser and I would.. that little fullscreen overlay annoys me Dec 23 20:45:23 forget it. Dec 23 20:45:32 FBReader has been updated with a fullscreen button, too, but still responds to Ctrl+Enter... *wubb* Dec 23 20:46:07 And the volume rocker finally works for pagination... I feel sorry for the N900 Dec 23 20:46:14 Err.. N810 :D Dec 23 20:47:06 RST38h: Oh no it doesn't. At least not for the initial help screen Dec 23 20:47:07 * RST38h feels sorry for them all Dec 23 20:47:17 Ah the horror, the suffering Dec 23 20:47:18 RST38h: maybe I have an old version Dec 23 20:47:20 * RST38h starts weeping Dec 23 20:47:26 Speed: UPDATE. Dec 23 20:47:28 Help : http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/pygtkeditor/3.0.2-3/ : Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/core/privilege.php on line 457 Dec 23 20:48:08 Khertan: it just means the servers are overloaded like always Dec 23 20:51:39 e Dec 23 20:54:05 ali1234 : but it s also means that i ll be not be able to access to it until i upload a new package version as now the error is cached Dec 23 20:55:16 so complain to whoever is running your http proxy... Dec 23 20:56:23 ? Dec 23 20:57:11 i didn t use any proxy Dec 23 20:57:33 er... clear your browser cache then? Dec 23 20:59:22 ali1234 it s not my cache but the one use on maemo.org/packages Dec 23 20:59:58 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/pygtkeditor/3.0.2-3/ <- this one, which works fine? Dec 23 21:02:19 RST38h: Argh - my python is broken again. Meh. Dec 23 21:02:39 ali1234: yep works fine now ... i m trying to access it since 30min Dec 23 21:05:06 Is there a way to uninstall _everything_ depending on or mentioning python in one fell swoop? Dec 23 21:06:25 apt-get remove python if it's a package? Dec 23 21:06:26 well Dec 23 21:06:30 if you try to remove python Dec 23 21:06:35 all dependencies should be removed Dec 23 21:06:38 they aren't allowed to stick around Dec 23 21:06:45 Unless you really really want to. Dec 23 21:09:52 odd. apt-get remover gpodder - and it downloads python-gth Dec 23 21:09:57 k Dec 23 21:10:51 and now apt-get remove python seems to do something Dec 23 21:11:26 anyone know how to get the "friendly" name of an application using its X-Osso_Service name? Dec 23 21:11:40 is there a dbus way to do it Dec 23 21:15:24 Ok - this seems majorly screwed up - essentially any apt-get * command spews tons of errors. Dec 23 21:15:31 and refuses to do what I ask. Dec 23 21:29:53 What keyword should I be searching for to find a flashing tool? Dec 23 21:30:07 (linux) Dec 23 21:30:31 for the N900? Dec 23 21:30:36 flasher :P Dec 23 21:30:49 yes Dec 23 21:31:06 I don't understand any of the apt-* errors Dec 23 21:31:18 and trying to remove stuff isn't working Dec 23 21:35:38 ~flasher Dec 23 21:35:40 it has been said that flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher Dec 23 21:35:55 thanks Dec 23 21:36:13 Thanks - my internet is a bit broken ATM Dec 23 21:38:06 anyone ever tried to rip out the battery while the charger is plugged? .. will it continue on charger power? Dec 23 21:38:09 has anyone tried to convert the MyDocs from fat to ext3? Dec 23 21:38:43 not yet Dec 23 21:38:59 will try new kernel ext4 and dmcrypt someday Dec 23 21:45:21 hmph, emacs is almost great, but without escape (and the remapping suggested by the guy is used already) it is a pain Dec 23 21:46:50 hmmm... so testing_l or testing_c? Dec 23 21:47:28 Hi GAN - testing_l or testing_c? what's this "legacy device" business, any idea? Dec 23 21:51:12 I've installed the Qt4 technical preview 2 in scratchbox Dec 23 21:51:18 How do you make aliases with nickserv? Dec 23 21:51:55 MaceG1: change your nick with /nick NewNick, then add it to your registered with /nickserv group Dec 23 21:52:46 Well. I want to use this one Dec 23 21:52:46 now I want to install Qt Creator, do I have to install it in scratchbox or in my ubuntu?? Dec 23 21:53:07 MaceG1: after adding the alias you can switch back with /nick MaceG1 Dec 23 21:53:11 grr, stupid maemo.org/packages Dec 23 21:53:21 I need to report flipclock's bad behaviour Dec 23 21:53:24 but it won't load Dec 23 21:53:28 /nickserv group ? Dec 23 21:54:10 where do I have to install Qt Creator to use it for maemo development? Dec 23 21:54:19 scratchbox or host? Dec 23 21:54:46 host Dec 23 21:55:00 k thanks Dec 23 21:55:16 should I use the download from qt.nokia.com or use the apt manager? Dec 23 21:55:43 xeviox: Qt Creator woould typically be in host; however I'm not aware of the Maemo support being fully rolled out and available. Dec 23 21:55:46 (yet) Dec 23 21:55:51 Does SSL work on Qt in the N900? Dec 23 21:56:15 Jaffa: there is a technical preview, I will use that one :D Dec 23 21:56:27 i never used it, but is qt creator not suppose to generate c++ code, so you theooretically do not care if it s instaled or not where you compile the application ? Dec 23 21:56:35 xeviox: Does it mention Maemo profiles? The Qt Creator preview I installed didn't have muchin the way of docs Dec 23 21:57:05 or may be am i mixing qt designer with qt creator ? Dec 23 21:57:28 Jaffa: good question, I just downloaded it few seconds ago, but look here: http://qt.nokia.com/developer/qt-for-maemo-developers Dec 23 21:58:06 melmoth: Designer is just a visible Designer for UIs, Creator is the IDE from "qt" Dec 23 21:58:45 ok, i was mixing the two then :) Dec 23 21:59:27 how should I go around contacting the devel of certain package, if the maemo.org/packages fails to load that page? Dec 23 22:00:26 as the synaptic manager just offer Creator 1.2.x I will use the download from qt.nokia.com, anything I should take special care? Dec 23 22:00:35 uh oh, I have a virus on my phone Dec 23 22:00:36 Milo-: If maemo.org/packages is broken, contact X-Fade; then you can contact the developer ;-) Dec 23 22:00:41 called 'foreca installer' Dec 23 22:00:54 there we go, got rid of that virus nice and easily Dec 23 22:01:02 Milo-: Oh, that's provided by a Nokia business partner, Foreca :) Dec 23 22:01:17 Milo-: virus??? on the n900 ? Dec 23 22:01:20 xeviox: I think I just ran the installer on Ubuntu without problems; but only briefly played with it. Dec 23 22:01:46 xeviox yes. *-installer == virus Dec 23 22:02:04 xeviox: To clarify, Milo- is being facetious :) Dec 23 22:02:16 22:06:47 Gadgetoid_mbp >> ali1234: those installers are a bit like the AOL trials of the mobile world Dec 23 22:02:30 22:06:17 ali1234 >> a metapackage that removes all those dumb "installers" and then enables all the extras repos Dec 23 22:02:34 slightly in wrong order Dec 23 22:02:38 but you get the picture :( Dec 23 22:02:52 yeah, there's a chicken-egg problem there unfortunately Dec 23 22:03:01 unless said package could be got into extras Dec 23 22:04:31 Jaffa is X-Fade in charge of maemo.org/packages? Dec 23 22:05:06 Milo-: yup Dec 23 22:05:35 okay, but I don't think he will change its location to a real server :P Dec 23 22:05:38 which is the issue at hand. Dec 23 22:05:55 That is in hand ;-) Dec 23 22:06:17 I know, I was stunned how I wrote 'at' Dec 23 22:06:18 worth two in the bush I always say Dec 23 22:07:05 Milo-: I (for once) wasn't trying to be pedantic: servers are being upgraded atm Dec 23 22:07:39 Crapware on phones, whatever next Dec 23 22:07:49 hmm now I downloaded the binary for linux and just got a .bin file, what should I do with it?? (sorry I'm not that experienced with linux :( ) Dec 23 22:08:33 it s most probably an auto install script thingy. chmod +x foo.bin; ./foo.bin Dec 23 22:09:23 xeviox: I think melmoth's right; I believe there are instructions somehwere Dec 23 22:11:45 k I'll try :D Dec 23 22:11:47 thank you Dec 23 22:11:56 Is anyone here good with Qt C++? Dec 23 22:12:17 which is the path that is shared from scratchbox? (Where I have to store the files generated by the IDE) Dec 23 22:15:21 melmoth: wow that did the trick, thank you :D Dec 23 22:15:22 very cool Dec 23 22:15:36 I begin to really love linux :D Dec 23 22:16:22 what is the default path apps are installed on linux? (like Program Files on windows) Dec 23 22:17:01 there is no such thing. but typical location are /bin and /usr/bin Dec 23 22:17:52 thank you Dec 23 22:18:12 then I'll need /usr/bin as I didn't start it with sudo, right? Dec 23 22:18:49 you will need root privilege to install thing in /usr/bin Dec 23 22:19:04 within scratchbox, use fakeroot instead of sudo Dec 23 22:19:22 k Dec 23 22:19:36 so what's the difference between /bin and /usr/bin? Dec 23 22:20:07 running the installer with sudo it's default path is /opt/... Dec 23 22:20:14 ?!? I'm confused ^ Dec 23 22:20:16 ^^ Dec 23 22:20:25 /bin is generally the applications used in early boot Dec 23 22:20:34 And /sbin Dec 23 22:20:59 /usr/bin is the 'userland' applications installed by default in your OS Dec 23 22:21:09 which explains why /usr can't all be in /opt. Dec 23 22:21:10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard#Directory_structure Dec 23 22:21:13 That might help. :) Dec 23 22:23:24 hello ! Dec 23 22:23:37 are there french users here plz ? Dec 23 22:24:12 Well - at least one. Dec 23 22:24:34 so following some tips on the net I can install it in /bin (but shouldn't because it's not delivered with the distri) same for /usr/bin or in /opt (optional software) or in /usr/local/bin (tip from the internet) Dec 23 22:24:42 so, which should I use ?? ^^ Dec 23 22:24:46 thank you all for the help Dec 23 22:25:15 I know how annoying it could be to get all the newby questions .. Dec 23 22:26:16 Sorry - what are you doing again? Dec 23 22:26:35 SpeedEvil: I try to install the Qt Creator on the host system Dec 23 22:26:50 ah. Dec 23 22:27:00 Sorry - never played with that. Dec 23 22:27:13 now I'm confused in which directory I should install the binaries .. Dec 23 22:27:15 look for a install fil, or instructions where you downloaded it Dec 23 22:27:24 is there one binary, or many? Dec 23 22:27:32 I have an installer, but it asks me where to put the binaries Dec 23 22:27:38 ah Dec 23 22:27:40 uhm. can anybody tell me where to start with python on n900? Is there a hildon python module or are there other libs? Is there some updated introductory docs somewhere? Dec 23 22:27:50 /usr/local/bin/ is probably saf Dec 23 22:27:51 e Dec 23 22:28:10 This is for local binaries that are not installed by the system Dec 23 22:28:17 SpeedEvil: so I should not use the installers default /opt ? Dec 23 22:28:49 leave it at default Dec 23 22:28:53 probably not a bad plan Dec 23 22:28:56 k ^^ Dec 23 22:29:13 windows makes that one easier lol Dec 23 22:29:26 fdv if you have never done any python before, start with the official python tutorial Dec 23 22:29:43 Python <3 Dec 23 22:30:03 what is the directory that is shared between the host and scratchbox? Dec 23 22:31:05 hey can someone run this in the terminal and paste me the outputs? It just gets your xterm key settings: Dec 23 22:31:05 gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/xterm/keys Dec 23 22:31:05 gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/xterm/key_labels Dec 23 22:31:11 hmmm, /scratchbox/user/home/user if i remember correctly Dec 23 22:31:25 ah cool thanks Dec 23 22:31:47 melmoth: I've done my share of python, I'm just curious which libraries are the best to start with on maemo 5. I've just set up scratchbox and there doesn't seem to be a python-hildon package in the default set of repos at least Dec 23 22:31:53 ~ $ gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/xterm/keys Dec 23 22:31:54 [Tab,Escape,Page_Up,Page_Down] Dec 23 22:31:54 ~ $ gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/xterm/key_labels Dec 23 22:31:54 [Tab,Esc,PgUp,PgDn] Dec 23 22:31:54 ~ $ Dec 23 22:31:57 i heard $ is a dollar sign Dec 23 22:32:04 melmoth: gui libs, that is Dec 23 22:32:27 hildon is a set of gtk extensions, right? Dec 23 22:32:37 cool, thx melmoth :) Dec 23 22:33:02 as you guys don't use the Qt Creator, which IDEs do you use for development? Dec 23 22:33:06 fdv http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Developing_Python_Applications_for_Maemo Dec 23 22:33:13 melmoth: great, thanks Dec 23 22:33:13 should not be that much different in maemo5 Dec 23 22:33:30 I didn't even know of such an article. Dec 23 22:33:36 * Shadikka is ashamed. Dec 23 22:33:38 but they are some slight difference in some gtk function prototype Dec 23 22:33:53 well, there is always progress ;) Dec 23 22:35:00 saw that page, it's just hard to tell what's the latest and greatest Dec 23 22:35:23 it s not the latest, but the general idea is there Dec 23 22:35:49 if you used to use glade, you ll have to do a reparent trick for the main window to have it hildonised Dec 23 22:36:05 i think the following article mention the issue: http://danielwould.wordpress.com/2009/12/06/developing-python-for-maemo-5/ Dec 23 22:36:37 ok, thanks. I've rarely used glade, though, never written that many GUIs :) Dec 23 22:36:41 but basically, what you have is a usual pygtk environment, plus some maemo specific thingy such as hildon, osso, libconic ... Dec 23 22:36:58 melmoth: python2.5-sdk doesn't seem to exist, though Dec 23 22:38:03 are they in some other repo? Dec 23 22:39:03 No additional portrait functionality in 51-1 then, just bug fixes? Dec 23 22:39:32 are there any outliners/mind mapping programs being ported? Dec 23 22:39:37 fdv apt-cache search python |grep gtk should give you available package Dec 23 22:40:05 the above article was written for maemo4, the package list may have changed in fremantle Dec 23 22:40:55 it appears to have. I'll try python2.5-gtk-dev Dec 23 22:40:59 gtk2, that is Dec 23 22:41:45 hm. no hildon there either. apt-cache search python.*hildon draws a blank Dec 23 22:43:06 just install any (hildonised) pygtk app in your sdk with apt-get, you ll have the lib. Dec 23 22:43:28 :) Dec 23 22:48:11 any suggestions, btw? I'm really new to maemo Dec 23 22:48:43 IP via bluetooth : quelqu'un a russi ? Dec 23 22:49:21 sorry : IP via bluetooth : has comeone actually succeeded ? Dec 23 22:49:58 IP via bluetooth : has anyone actually succeeded ? Dec 23 22:52:39 Anyone know if there is a maximum size to the micro SD the N900 can handle? Dec 23 22:53:11 16Go I think Dec 23 22:53:52 more like 32 Dec 23 22:54:14 there was one in "hackerbox" edition, right? Dec 23 22:55:17 I doubt it was 32Go Dec 23 22:56:11 It will be at least several terabytes with SDXC - which is electrically compatible Dec 23 22:56:36 it will need new protocol drivers, and if you want to maintain compatibility a new stupid MS FS. Dec 23 22:56:47 several terabytes ?? Dec 23 22:56:58 Not now of course Dec 23 22:57:15 the SDXC standard goes up to a few T IIRC Dec 23 22:58:03 It won't be possible to address such large amount of memory, will it ? Dec 23 22:58:07 2TB Dec 23 22:59:19 grondilu: yes, it's possible. Dec 23 22:59:28 grondilu: it's not a RAM like thing Dec 23 22:59:38 grondilu: it's more like a USB stick in some ways. Dec 23 22:59:44 grondilu: or a NFS drive Dec 23 22:59:51 oh... Dec 23 23:00:05 the size is not rigidly set by the electrical interface. Dec 23 23:00:43 and it will work on a N900 ??? (I can't even imagine...) Dec 23 23:00:55 As I understand it, yes. Dec 23 23:01:01 It will need a new kernel. Dec 23 23:01:52 indeed: http://www.sdcard.org/developers/tech/sdxc Dec 23 23:14:49 what is the recommended and less intrusive (more reliable) way of moving parts of / to a different fs? is there a script that surely won't break things? ;-) Dec 23 23:15:15 maemo-optify? Dec 23 23:15:24 dunno if it only works with .deb packages though Dec 23 23:20:10 I've created a little app with Qt and ran qmake to create the makefile Dec 23 23:20:27 after running make I get some .o files Dec 23 23:20:30 but nothing else Dec 23 23:20:55 so which is the "executable"? Dec 23 23:21:09 xeviox: what is in your .pro file Dec 23 23:21:47 ah wait Dec 23 23:21:58 I called the project "TestProject" Dec 23 23:22:12 now there is a File "TestProject" in the folder, without any extension Dec 23 23:22:22 is that the executable? Dec 23 23:22:27 it is the executable yes Dec 23 23:22:33 ah cool Dec 23 23:22:43 should I rename it to get an extension? like .bin ? Dec 23 23:23:00 no unix binary have no extension Dec 23 23:23:06 ah ok Dec 23 23:23:22 I really have to learn much more about unix / linux ;) Dec 23 23:23:23 thank you Dec 23 23:23:49 yeah, start with manpages ands tuff Dec 23 23:23:52 use command file ./TestProject to check that your build architecture Dec 23 23:24:16 ah ok Dec 23 23:24:29 ls also shows it highlighted in green :D Dec 23 23:24:31 cool Dec 23 23:24:43 the first "running" qt app on maemo Dec 23 23:24:49 :D Dec 23 23:24:57 xeviox: The books of O'Realy editor are good too Dec 23 23:25:30 do I have to use the same package sources for armel as for x86 (to install qtdev tools and qt technical preview)? Dec 23 23:25:41 grondilu: ah cool, I'll take a look :) Dec 23 23:30:26 thresh, i'd prefer something that will work on things already installed Dec 23 23:30:27 Anyone here who does the QA of apps in extras? Dec 23 23:30:51 any clue how to get a key to trigger a script? Like pressing the british pound symbol to run something? Dec 23 23:30:56 Milhouse, what's the problem ? Dec 23 23:31:25 hello guys Dec 23 23:31:35 any community-tester around ? Dec 23 23:31:44 hey Anidel Dec 23 23:31:49 It's a real nit, but just noticing a few apps where the description in App Manager doesn't begin with capital letter, eg. liqflow "finger friendly fluid dynamics etc." should be "Finger friendly..." Dec 23 23:31:52 hi valerio, I guess you are Dec 23 23:32:14 Also liqtorch and Hex-a-Hop same issue. Dec 23 23:32:49 As I say, it's a real nit but it's an easy thing to enforce/insist upon Dec 23 23:33:13 eCoach is a special case of course :) Dec 23 23:33:24 VDVsx you there? Dec 23 23:33:26 Sopwith is another Dec 23 23:33:32 Maybe I should open a bug... Dec 23 23:33:52 i say we just ban capital letters completely. it would save a lot of work. plus it would free up a key on the n900 keyboard :) Dec 23 23:34:33 Milhouse, yes please, since that against the debian policy afaik Dec 23 23:34:57 Add OpenVPN to the list, so just those 5 - not bad. ok will do, under what category/product, any idea? Dec 23 23:35:03 Milhouse, but I'm afraid that isn't a blocker according to the q&a Dec 23 23:35:21 shame - kinda lowers the tone Dec 23 23:35:35 Milhouse, you should report the bug against the project itself Dec 23 23:35:39 all have bugtrackers Dec 23 23:35:45 Milhouse: your best chance is probably opening bugs against each package on garage Dec 23 23:36:02 umm, ok (milhouse wishes he hadn't started this now :)) Dec 23 23:36:26 bollox to garage i want to be in bed within the next 2 hours Dec 23 23:36:41 garage is like wading through treacle Dec 23 23:37:01 melmoth: I was missing the pymaemo repo. thanks for your help :) Dec 23 23:37:06 will raise the bugs in b.m.o Dec 23 23:37:35 VDVsx - if you are involved in the QA, could you and your colleagues keep an eye out for this kind of nit picking? Dec 23 23:38:44 arse, most of the offending apps don't have entries in b.m.o Dec 23 23:38:53 where can I get the qt-technical-preview sources for arm? Dec 23 23:39:05 or better where to find the packages? Dec 23 23:40:27 err.. nor are they in garage Dec 23 23:40:37 Milhouse, yes no problem :), I already reported a few bugs against apps that use the app name in the short description :) will give more attention to that particular issue Dec 23 23:40:50 thanks! Dec 23 23:40:54 Milhouse, better use the package interface Dec 23 23:41:05 eh? Dec 23 23:41:20 http://maemo.org/packages/ Dec 23 23:41:28 oh right ta Dec 23 23:41:51 much better, thanks Dec 23 23:41:53 for e.g: http://maemo.org/packages/view/ecoach/ Dec 23 23:42:01 the bug tracker is there Dec 23 23:43:35 no luck with http://maemo.org/packages/view/sopwith/ Dec 23 23:43:43 don't think it's got a bugtracker has it? Dec 23 23:46:04 no bug tracker for sopwith, liqflow or liqtorch Dec 23 23:46:22 lcuk, ping Dec 23 23:46:53 Milhouse, for sopwith you can comment here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/sopwith/1.7.1-4maemo5 Dec 23 23:47:07 \o Dec 23 23:47:16 seems that I broke my arm target in scratchbox, any ways to rebuild it? Dec 23 23:47:21 hi lcuk Dec 23 23:47:25 (thanks VDVsc) Dec 23 23:47:30 xeviox, plaster cast Dec 23 23:47:36 lcuk: ?? Dec 23 23:47:38 Milhouse, np :) Dec 23 23:47:52 " seems that I broke my arm " Dec 23 23:48:02 lcuk: as above, just a couple of nits with liqflow/liqtorch in the App Manager description Dec 23 23:48:17 lcuk: the arm target in scratchbox .. Dec 23 23:48:40 Milhouse, theres a bugtracker now, but its not linked to the account yet, bugs.maemo.org has them Dec 23 23:48:49 xeviox: there's a way to reset the target in sb-menu Dec 23 23:48:52 is it possible to reset it to the install default of the sdk? Dec 23 23:48:53 im making changes now to liqflow and will be changing Dec 23 23:49:07 but if you would make a note in there please Dec 23 23:49:26 ali1234: yes, but after resetting it doesn't know the apt-get command... so it seems he deleted everything .. Dec 23 23:49:29 "not linked to the app yet" Dec 23 23:49:44 xeviox: seems like you broke it really bad then... Dec 23 23:49:55 couldn't find them in b.m.o - you sure they're there or do you want it in liqbase (think thats there) Dec 23 23:50:04 xeviox: i can't help sorry... Dec 23 23:50:13 np thanks Dec 23 23:50:14 Milhouse, they are part of liqbase Dec 23 23:50:21 a component thereof Dec 23 23:50:22 ok will file shortly Dec 23 23:50:28 they exist either standalone of embedded Dec 23 23:50:28 xeviox: reseting the target should not delete "everything" like that, so i dunno... Dec 23 23:55:26 7290 and 7291, gary! :) Dec 23 23:55:53 k, there are to options in sb-menu Dec 23 23:56:02 one is Clear that seems to clear a target Dec 23 23:56:02 Milhouse, humm the capital char at the begging of description is not referred in debian policy, at least I can't find that rule o_0 Dec 23 23:56:11 and one is Setup to setup a target Dec 23 23:56:21 I've run setup with arm compiler Dec 23 23:56:29 ah, i thought someone mentioned it here - oh well Dec 23 23:56:42 well, it looks nicer if capitalised Dec 23 23:57:02 now I get the following error: E: Unable to determine a suitable packaging system type Dec 23 23:57:11 when I run "fakeroot apt-get update" Dec 23 23:57:20 Milhouse, yes, of course, and is the correct way, at least in English :) Dec 23 23:57:55 Milhouse, but that way this is not a bug, is enhancement instead :D Dec 23 23:58:16 hmm there is no folder / file in /etc Dec 23 23:58:19 emm yes... don't we have Maemo packaging standards? Dec 23 23:58:30 for the records the rules are here: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#s-descriptions Dec 23 23:58:40 can someone give me the content of his /etc/apt/sources.list file? (in the arm target) Dec 23 23:58:42 hell yeah. clocking almost 100K/s over my tethered G1 :) Dec 23 23:58:45 I'd push for it to be in our standards even if not part of Debian Dec 23 23:58:46 way better than xp was going Dec 23 23:58:59 over a samba share using a vpn Dec 23 23:59:14 of course there are good reasons to allow exceptions, ie. the description on eCoach Dec 23 23:59:38 but on the whole, conform with standard English when the description is in English Dec 24 00:00:54 ok that's bugs filed against hex-a-hop, liqbase *2 and openvpn but sopwith is out of my reach Dec 24 00:00:55 Milhouse, I agree Dec 24 00:01:28 for sopwith you can comment in the package interface Dec 24 00:01:35 i'll try that now Dec 24 00:02:01 mikkov is the maintainer, not here atm it seems Dec 24 00:02:35 i'm being thick, where do i leave a comment? Dec 24 00:02:56 i'm on this page: http://maemo.org/packages/view/sopwith/ Dec 24 00:03:28 what is a rootstrap for scratchbox? Dec 24 00:05:03 Milhouse it seems that you have to go into the version you want to comment on Dec 24 00:06:10 like so: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_i386/sopwith/1.7.1-4maemo5/ Dec 24 00:06:23 correct Dec 24 00:06:33 gotcah - many thanks Dec 24 00:06:40 s/gotcah/gotcha/ Dec 24 00:06:40 Milhouse meant: gotcha - many thanks Dec 24 00:07:47 test Dec 24 00:19:41 is it possible to draw chinese and arabic text on maemo? Dec 24 00:20:37 not yet, at least not without abusing emacs Dec 24 00:20:50 hmm Dec 24 00:21:07 is it possible to load fonts? Dec 24 00:23:22 damn, I don't get scratchbox to restore the arm target *grr Dec 24 00:24:31 is there a restore option in the installer? Dec 24 00:25:03 * Arkenoi wonders if we run xorg anyways why c&p is not just everywhere? :-( Dec 24 00:25:54 c&p? Dec 24 00:26:09 can maemo handle .ttf fonts? Dec 24 00:26:53 maemo's xterm can do chinese fonts Dec 24 00:27:02 xterm? Dec 24 00:27:15 i dunno how you would type them, but if you have a file with them in, and you cat it, you see them Dec 24 00:27:43 yes, X terminal on n900 Dec 24 00:28:21 i just tried it by logging in on ssh and doing "echo 公司首页 > /tmp/foo" Dec 24 00:28:37 and then "cat /tmp/foo" in xterm, and it works Dec 24 00:28:40 ah k, sounds good :D Dec 24 00:28:59 ali1234: is the n900 really that smooth as shown in some vids? Dec 24 00:29:04 also running qt apps? Dec 24 00:29:16 xeviox_, cut&paste Dec 24 00:29:18 got a link to a vid? Dec 24 00:29:32 xeviox_, text selection is not available in most application Dec 24 00:29:41 applications even Dec 24 00:30:12 Arkenoi: no I just need text display of chinese and arabic texts (no input / no selection) Dec 24 00:30:23 ah k sorry Dec 24 00:30:29 that was answer to my question Dec 24 00:30:31 ^^ Dec 24 00:30:54 ali1234: qt shows some: qt.nokia.com (look for qt for maemo) Dec 24 00:31:28 is it possible to reset a target in scratchbox to the sdk default (right after setup)? Dec 24 00:32:45 qt.nokia.com just repeatedly crashes firefox Dec 24 00:32:58 can't find any videos Dec 24 00:33:50 three times in a row, i better bug report this :/ Dec 24 00:40:15 Is there a way to do xrandr -o left/right ? Dec 24 00:41:01 I don't especially care - immediately - if everything works - I just want to be able to display stuff from an external program on a display that's round the other way Dec 24 00:45:19 SpeedEvil: mirror? Dec 24 00:45:48 or you mean swap all the windows between the two screens? Dec 24 00:46:10 which afaik would need to be done by the window manager, not xrandr Dec 24 00:46:40 ali1234: no - I want to simply have the display rotated 90 degrees Dec 24 00:46:53 and then display other apps on the screen Dec 24 00:47:11 I can start FF - for example - with no problem on my desktop and have it display on the phone Dec 24 00:48:05 hmm not sure i understand Dec 24 00:48:15 xrandr can rotate the display but i guess you know that Dec 24 00:48:28 yes - it's not on the device. Dec 24 00:48:47 I need to get somesort of build platform setup. Dec 24 00:49:01 But I've been spending all my spare time trying to insulate my house. Dec 24 00:50:18 ali1234: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kkS2vP4-_4&feature=player_embedded, doesn't crash on my firefox .. Dec 24 00:53:36 ali1234: does your phone run as smooth as shown in the vid? Dec 24 00:54:01 youtube works OKish on the device for me. Dec 24 00:54:05 But flash blows. Dec 24 00:54:21 oh :( Dec 24 00:54:26 but it works? Dec 24 00:54:29 normal youtube gets ~12fps perhaps. Dec 24 00:54:35 Maybe a bit more. Dec 24 00:54:36 good estimate SpeedEvil Dec 24 00:54:44 Under mplayer, it's more like 60 for the same file Dec 24 00:54:45 oh :( Dec 24 00:54:48 xeviox_: sure, that looks reasonable Dec 24 00:54:54 thats not really much .. Dec 24 00:54:56 that is ADOBE's fault xeviox_ Dec 24 00:55:04 remember none of those widgets actually *does* anything, it's just a demo Dec 24 00:55:43 the video doesn't show youtube on n900 Dec 24 00:55:45 ali1234: yeah but just moving those pictures is a problem for my windwos mobile phone .. Dec 24 00:55:49 Only time I led a flash project I made sure it ran fast on slow pcs. Dec 24 00:56:01 ^^ Dec 24 00:56:07 xeviox: windows mobile sucks, it has no graphics acceleration of any kind Dec 24 00:56:33 yes, that's the reason I want to switch to maemo ;) Dec 24 00:56:37 it's basically a throw back to vga times :) Dec 24 00:56:51 just look at gapi... "here's a pointer to the framebuffer... enjoy" Dec 24 00:56:58 but my phone has graphic accerleration, but htc doesn't ship it whit the needed driver s.. Dec 24 00:57:10 lol Dec 24 00:57:53 my hope was that qt has a good performance on the phone, but I had no luck .. Dec 24 00:58:08 Sorry - above benchmarks ar emisleading. Dec 24 00:58:20 That was normal video. I was comparing a 'HD' video Dec 24 00:58:30 which normally gets 3-4fps, and 60 under mplayer Dec 24 00:59:04 anybody know why zoutube doesn't search? Dec 24 00:59:26 mytube did it Dec 24 01:00:16 for now I have to build the newest qt sources for compiling and then get my scratchbox target back to live .. Dec 24 01:00:30 but that's a task for the next days Dec 24 01:00:39 whish you all a merry christmas Dec 24 01:01:00 and a good time Dec 24 01:01:02 bye Dec 24 01:01:13 cu Dec 24 01:01:16 cya Dec 24 01:06:52 anyone know if the picture-on-desk widget watches its pic file for changes? Dec 24 01:09:04 where are calendar items stored and how can i reset/delete all? Dec 24 01:13:24 ali1234: that emu is really creepy, it behaves different to anything i've seen Dec 24 01:13:47 like the sound+pulseaudio hardly affecting speed atm Dec 24 01:30:19 pupnik: which emulator? Dec 24 01:30:29 psx Dec 24 01:30:54 oh. well, pulse does affect it a bit, but it basically needs 95% of the cpu just for the core emulation Dec 24 01:31:00 if not more Dec 24 01:31:24 that probably isn't right, must be a problem somewhere Dec 24 01:31:33 i still suspect the cache thing Dec 24 01:31:47 hm Dec 24 01:32:11 is there a gles version of gpu? Dec 24 01:32:29 i don't think so Dec 24 01:33:45 well i'm not particularly upset if pandora has the edge on the bigger emus Dec 24 01:34:50 do people actually have pandoras? Dec 24 01:34:52 * Macer grins Dec 24 01:34:57 i thought that was vaporware Dec 24 01:35:07 i'm working with scratchbox here and am having ongoing trouble reaching internet machines through the host. the value for 'nameserver' is the same as the host. is there any thing else to look at? Dec 24 01:35:26 julianoliver: in the vmware sdk? Dec 24 01:35:45 Macer: mine arrived yesterday Dec 24 01:35:49 Macer: doesn't quite work yet tho Dec 24 01:35:50 pupnik: no. Dec 24 01:35:59 i never got it working in the target Dec 24 01:36:06 pupnik: it's been fine in the past, but seems flaky. Dec 24 01:36:19 you can wget a site from the target? Dec 24 01:36:23 right now ifconfig reports the same addr as the host. Dec 24 01:36:37 Macer: I told em I didn't care if it shipped w/ working software :D Dec 24 01:36:48 luke-jr: you are kidding? Dec 24 01:36:48 pupnik: no, not at this time. just doesn't resolve. Dec 24 01:36:59 pupnik: ? Dec 24 01:37:22 luke-jr: I did that with the neo1973 Dec 24 01:37:35 luke-jr: it's only mostly started to not suck after 3 years Dec 24 01:37:58 im on my new n900 and wifi died a few times today requiring a reboot to get it going again :( is this software or hardware problem? dmesg shows nothing suspicious looking Dec 24 01:38:05 SpeedEvil2: yeah yeah, but did you sit down and write software for it from scratch? :p Dec 24 01:38:13 luke-jr: i didn't think assembly had started Dec 24 01:38:18 paul[]: odd. i haven't had this problem.. Dec 24 01:38:24 luke-jr: no Dec 24 01:38:50 wifi is fine for me Dec 24 01:39:04 SpeedEvil2: see, that's the key difference Dec 24 01:39:08 it's worrying me :-/ Dec 24 01:39:14 I don't care about shipped software because I'm not going to use it anyway Dec 24 01:39:38 luke-jr: whate'r eyou planning Dec 24 01:39:45 pupnik: it doesn't have the final final case Dec 24 01:39:57 SpeedEvil2: KDE 4.3 Dec 24 01:40:12 SpeedEvil2: I care not for games or such nonsense Dec 24 01:40:28 writing a clone from scratch Dec 24 01:40:34 clone? Dec 24 01:41:02 of kde Dec 24 01:41:12 why clone? Dec 24 01:41:42 oh, I didn't mean not reusing existing components Dec 24 01:41:57 but for Neo1973, you'd have had to write stuff to do the phone crap Dec 24 01:42:15 by 'from scratch', I mean basically ignoring the shipped code Dec 24 01:43:07 ok, found the problem. there are two resolv.conf's one in /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf and another /etc/resolv.conf in the looped mount. Dec 24 01:45:47 all right, msn-pecan 0.1.0-rc2 released with N900 support... anyone wants to try? http://code.google.com/p/msn-pecan/downloads Dec 24 01:46:41 what does it do? Dec 24 01:48:30 pupnik: allows you to use the MSN protocol aka windows live messenger Dec 24 01:50:55 oh that will make some folks really happy! Dec 24 01:52:32 heh, i opened up my router control panel and my n900 had a wireless lease time of 13:37 :) Dec 24 01:53:04 pupnik: there's already telepathy-butterfly, and telepathy-haze+libpurple, but they have some disadvantages Dec 24 01:53:27 they might have some trouble graduating to maemo-extras Dec 24 01:56:20 is there a way to aquire libgles (OpenGL ES) via apt on scratchbox? apt-cache returns it on my N900 but not on my ARMEL build guest. Dec 24 02:15:02 lcuk: i was just reading you here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31313&page=2 Dec 24 02:15:27 julianoliver, http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=gles Dec 24 02:16:03 in other words, if you installed nokia binaries, yes Dec 24 02:16:55 Firebird: thanks.. Dec 24 02:23:28 Firebird: how would one go about adding the respository as listed "Fremantle nokia-applications explicit armel" to an existing scratchbox installation? Dec 24 02:24:52 * timeless looks for people running 51-1 or using English w/ their n900s Dec 24 02:25:08 Firebird: i've attempted to add the https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/apps/ ./ to my sources.list but i am forbidden. Dec 24 02:25:24 tigert: i'm running English on my N900 Dec 24 02:25:30 ^^ timeless Dec 24 02:25:34 :) Dec 24 02:28:23 * julianoliver rereads http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation Dec 24 02:35:50 julianoliver, there's a step in the guide that tells you how to install nokia binaries Dec 24 02:36:04 it involves agreeing to a license and getting a private repo link Dec 24 02:38:23 julianoliver, look at step seven: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_on_x86-32_Debian_based_distribution Dec 24 02:39:07 xbindkeys, a forthcoming app to extras-devel, allows you to map a key (like the Britsh Pound Key / Euro) to trigger any script. Very handy :) Dec 24 02:39:20 (there may be other ways to do this, but I dont know what they are) Dec 24 02:39:20 Firebird: yes, i've gone through that process. all good now. thanks Dec 24 02:59:27 timeless, I match the first requirement(51.1 here), if you still need help :) Dec 24 02:59:44 i do **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 24 02:59:57 2009