**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 25 02:59:57 2009
Dec 25 03:02:07 <grondilu> ah yes I forgot, I'm behind a proxy.
Dec 25 03:02:55 <villager> SIP proxy is not the same as your proxyserver though
Dec 25 03:03:22 <grondilu> damned,  that seems to too complex for me...
Dec 25 03:03:33 <villager> ekiga.net provides the SIP proxy
Dec 25 03:03:40 <villager> not sure what it would be
Dec 25 03:04:33 <villager> looks like maybe the proxy address is just ekiga.net
Dec 25 03:06:13 <grondilu> in the advanced settings, what is the "ougoing proxy" ('proxy sortant')  ?
Dec 25 03:06:41 <villager> that's the one I've been talking about... so you can just try ekiga.net
Dec 25 03:08:03 <grondilu> doesn't work with ekiga.net
Dec 25 03:08:17 <grondilu> I still get "non connected"
Dec 25 03:08:52 <villager> I'm not really sure how it works if you're behind a local proxy though, since I'm not... you probably need to set up the local proxy somewhere, though presumably you already did so for the web browser
Dec 25 03:09:55 <grondilu> indeed
Dec 25 03:10:23 <villager> I'm really not sure how SIP works behind a proxy
Dec 25 03:11:25 <villager> perhaps you should try to get it to work on an open network first, then messing with proxies later
Dec 25 03:11:41 <grondilu> but my local proxy is very basic, I've just retrieved it from http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23
Dec 25 03:12:28 <villager> hmm, that looks like NAT, not actually a proxy server
Dec 25 03:12:36 <grondilu> ohh
Dec 25 03:12:48 <grondilu> it's quite the same, isn't it ?
Dec 25 03:13:16 <villager> no
Dec 25 03:13:44 <grondilu> anyway is that the reason why I can't connect ?
Dec 25 03:14:53 <villager> if it's just NAT, then it should probably at least connect
Dec 25 03:15:09 <villager> what are your settings now?
Dec 25 03:16:11 <grondilu> there are pretty much the same (I just changed the interface names)
Dec 25 03:20:11 <villager> are you running ekiga on the same LAN behind the same NAT gateway?
Dec 25 03:21:19 <grondilu> yes, I think
Dec 25 03:22:33 <villager> have you looked here: http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Ekiga_behind_a_NAT_router
Dec 25 03:24:24 <aspidites> happy holidays
Dec 25 03:25:27 <grondilu> seems relevant, indeed.  I'll have a look at that.
Dec 25 03:26:07 <villager> apparently you can install some sip proxy software on your gateway if you want, perhaps that'll help
Dec 25 03:27:06 <villager> if not, you have to make sure STUN is enabled I guess
Dec 25 03:36:52 <grondilu> aptitude search siprox =>  p   siproxd                                                 - SIP proxy/redirect/registrar
Dec 25 03:37:05 <grondilu> I'll try that
Dec 25 03:41:17 <grondilu> no more success.
Dec 25 03:47:19 <grondilu> damned with google talk that's work !
Dec 25 03:51:06 <spencer_> got a really n00b n900 question to ask.  where do i upload my mp3/video onto the phone??
Dec 25 03:52:22 <grondilu> what do you mean exactly ?
Dec 25 03:53:04 <grondilu> if you mean "in which directory",  anyone will do I think.
Dec 25 03:53:06 <spencer_> if i want to upload a song to my phone and play it in the media player, should that be in /home/user or is there a specific folder?
Dec 25 03:53:48 <grondilu> I think the media player will find them anywhere you put them.  You'll have to clean your mess later if you really want to.
Dec 25 03:54:07 <spencer_> ok.. cool.. i'll give it a try.
Dec 25 03:55:08 <villager> spencer_: you should put it somewhere under MyDocs at least, much more disk space there
Dec 25 03:55:21 <pwnguin> spencer_: when i connect it via usb
Dec 25 03:55:22 <spencer_> ok.
Dec 25 03:55:28 <pwnguin> theres a hidden .sounds directory
Dec 25 03:55:46 <grondilu> and a .videos indeed
Dec 25 03:55:51 <pwnguin> yea
Dec 25 03:56:07 <pwnguin> i just put it all ther
Dec 25 03:56:08 <pwnguin> e
Dec 25 03:56:44 <pwnguin> im sure it maps to somewhere in docs
Dec 25 03:56:51 <pwnguin> MyDocs i mean
Dec 25 03:58:08 <villager> yeah, supposedly when you connect usb, MyDocs is exported over it
Dec 25 03:59:04 <villager> .sounds is a subdirectory of MyDocs, but I decided to create my own directory ("Music") and put my stuff there instead of using .sounds
Dec 25 03:59:43 <microlith> what's the usable space, minus upper and lower bar, for GUIs on the N900? 800x?
Dec 25 03:59:57 <villager> that way the ringtones aren't part of my music collection
Dec 25 04:01:24 <aspidites> not sure microlith. best bet would be the hildon ui style guidelines i think
Dec 25 04:01:40 <microlith> yeah, will take a look
Dec 25 04:01:53 * microlith wishes he could get the ruby-hildon bindings to compile
Dec 25 04:02:18 <aspidites> ruby is pretty s*xy. i'm a defector though -- python
Dec 25 04:02:23 <microlith> heh
Dec 25 04:02:33 <microlith> I got the ruby-gtk bindings to build and run
Dec 25 04:02:42 <microlith> ruby-glade too
Dec 25 04:02:56 <aspidites> i can't stand gtk :-\ hince why i learned python instead
Dec 25 04:03:17 <aspidites> documentation was pretty scarce to. or has that changed?
Dec 25 04:03:18 <microlith> using a different widget toolkit?
Dec 25 04:03:26 <aspidites> Qt
Dec 25 04:03:33 <microlith> ahh
Dec 25 04:04:25 <aspidites> messed with it at all microlith? i found it more pleasant to work with. though YMMV
Dec 25 04:04:32 <aspidites> esp. with mameo
Dec 25 04:04:43 <aspidites> maemo*
Dec 25 04:05:26 <microlith> aspidites: no, have not
Dec 25 04:07:15 * microlith goes for a ruby-qt cross-compile
Dec 25 04:07:36 <grondilu> how can I make a SIP call with a N900.  I want to try an echo test but only numeric entries are accepted in the prompt (??).  I tried the echo test "613@fwd.pulver.com" but it says the contact is not connected.
Dec 25 04:08:21 <grondilu> oops forgot to erase beginning of phrase.  It's ok for alphabetic entry now.
Dec 25 04:09:03 <villager> in the dialing app, you choose your SIP account on the top left "call type" thing, and type the address, I guess
Dec 25 04:12:02 <grondilu> neither 613@fwd.pulver.com nor 500@ekiga.net works.
Dec 25 04:23:21 <villager> fwiw, those don't work for me either from my Gizmo5 account, though Gizmo5's own echo service works for it
Dec 25 04:23:48 <grondilu> strange, isn'it ?
Dec 25 04:26:13 <microlith> hmm
Dec 25 04:34:23 <grondilu> pff...  On my PC, with my Ekiga account and software, I can use 500@ekiga.net, but not 613@fwd.pulver.com.
Dec 25 04:39:09 <grondilu> but 1234@loligo.com works with Ekiga !  (just found this number on the net)
Dec 25 04:43:40 <grondilu> 1234@loligo.com works with Ekiga on my PC, but not with Gooogle Talk on my N900
Dec 25 04:44:48 <CyZooNiC> you can try an echo test on my system *43@69.56.251.45
Dec 25 04:46:33 <grondilu> it works on my PC
Dec 25 04:48:03 <grondilu> doesn't work on my n900
Dec 25 04:48:24 <CyZooNiC> mmm
Dec 25 04:48:47 <grondilu> i'll try on my PC with my Google Talk account
Dec 25 04:49:13 <CyZooNiC> did it pick up the call?
Dec 25 04:50:36 <grondilu> no: "contact off-line" (contact hors ligne)
Dec 25 04:50:52 <CyZooNiC> I just tried with google talk and I get the same
Dec 25 04:51:10 <CyZooNiC> I wonder if I need to have the number in a contact and have them online
Dec 25 04:52:42 <grondilu> but it worked fine with ekiga
Dec 25 04:53:03 <CyZooNiC> mmm
Dec 25 04:53:24 <CyZooNiC> ekiga is a sip provider?
Dec 25 04:53:37 <grondilu> ?
Dec 25 04:54:23 <CyZooNiC> did you setup ekiga on your N900?
Dec 25 04:54:36 <CyZooNiC> sorry, I guess its pc software
Dec 25 04:54:59 <CyZooNiC> who do you connect to? gizmo5?
Dec 25 04:55:06 <grondilu> Google talk
Dec 25 04:55:18 <grondilu> Google talk on my n900, Ekiga on my PC
Dec 25 04:55:24 <CyZooNiC> oh, k
Dec 25 04:56:13 <CyZooNiC> do you have a ekiga.net sip address?
Dec 25 04:56:31 <CyZooNiC> you are trying to call it from the N900 via google talk?
Dec 25 04:56:57 <Macer> skype ftw
Dec 25 04:57:01 <CyZooNiC> :)
Dec 25 04:57:02 <Macer> haha
Dec 25 04:57:32 <Macer> pretty soon google voice is going to start putting adds in that you have to listen to before the call is connected
Dec 25 04:57:36 <Macer> it's all just a matter of time
Dec 25 04:57:43 <CyZooNiC> booo
Dec 25 04:58:19 <CyZooNiC> I hope they don't do what they do with email and ads
Dec 25 04:58:28 <grondilu> ooh  google talk doesn't do VoIP ?
Dec 25 04:58:50 <CyZooNiC> I dont think so, well not SIP
Dec 25 04:59:37 <grondilu> so why is it on N900's phone menu ???
Dec 25 04:59:37 <CyZooNiC> http://www.gtalk2voip.com/
Dec 25 05:00:00 <CyZooNiC> you can call Google talk clients
Dec 25 05:00:29 <grondilu> with live messaging ?
Dec 25 05:00:53 <CyZooNiC> they use XMPP
Dec 25 05:01:29 <CyZooNiC> I'm not sure what you mean with live messaging. You can send IMs
Dec 25 05:01:38 <grondilu> so again : if there's no voice, it should not be in N900's phone accounts menu.
Dec 25 05:01:55 <CyZooNiC> it does voice, or so I thought
Dec 25 05:02:11 <grondilu> another protocol than SIP ?
Dec 25 05:02:13 <CyZooNiC> but not SIP, you can only call another Google Talk account
Dec 25 05:02:31 <grondilu> they use XMPP to transmit voice ?!
Dec 25 05:02:48 <CyZooNiC> I think so
Dec 25 05:03:17 <zash> What?
Dec 25 05:03:21 <grondilu> I thought it was for irc
Dec 25 05:03:28 <CyZooNiC> so if you have google talk open on your computer logged into another account than on your N900 you should be able to call it
Dec 25 05:03:40 <CyZooNiC> On December 15, 2005, Google released libjingle, a C++ library to implement Jingle, "a set of extensions to the IETF's Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP) for use in voice over IP (VoIP), video, and other peer-to-peer multimedia sessions."[18] Libjingle is a library of the code that Google uses for peer-to-peer communication, and was made available under a BSD license.[19]
Dec 25 05:03:44 <CyZooNiC> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Talk
Dec 25 05:05:03 <grondilu> pff..  I dont't want their stuff...  I'd like sip.
Dec 25 05:05:29 <CyZooNiC> You can setup your sip provider on the N900
Dec 25 05:05:47 <grondilu> I tried with ekiga but it didn't work
Dec 25 05:05:51 <CyZooNiC> mmm
Dec 25 05:06:24 <CyZooNiC> I have asterisk running and it works very well compared to what Nokia had in the early SIP days.
Dec 25 05:06:59 <grondilu> did you have any pb with firewalls and things like that ?
Dec 25 05:07:42 <CyZooNiC> no, but the sip server I have is on a public network. I have more problems with firewalls and cisco phones than with the Nokias.
Dec 25 05:09:07 <CyZooNiC> bbl
Dec 25 05:14:27 <siriusnova> I think Nokia is ignoring us N900 users
Dec 25 05:14:43 <siriusnova> i mean no firmware updates, a buggy product and no support from any of the Ovi Maps or Ovi Suite
Dec 25 05:15:02 <siriusnova> and then they wonder why apple eats their lunch in the smartphone market
Dec 25 05:21:11 <Macer> http://bugzilla.zimbra.com/show_bug.cgi?id=36961
Dec 25 05:21:13 <povbot> Bug 36961: was not found.
Dec 25 05:21:19 <Macer> can everybody here make an account and go vote for that thing?
Dec 25 05:21:21 <Macer> hehe
Dec 25 05:43:43 * RST38h moos evilly
Dec 25 05:43:48 <RST38h> Hello, ladies and gentlemen
Dec 25 05:59:15 <CyZooNiC> the N900 doesnt compete with the iphone
Dec 25 05:59:21 <CyZooNiC> its a tablet that happens to be a phone
Dec 25 05:59:36 <pwnguin> says who?
Dec 25 05:59:47 <CyZooNiC> me :)
Dec 25 05:59:59 <pwnguin> this "doesn't compete" crap is kinda like 'not for critics'
Dec 25 06:00:25 <CyZooNiC> iphone was desiged to be simple and that is why its locked to the core
Dec 25 06:02:29 <CyZooNiC> I don't see the N900 as being a regular consumer device
Dec 25 06:02:36 <CyZooNiC> but that is me, Nokia may see it as being one
Dec 25 06:05:06 <pwnguin> is it a phone?
Dec 25 06:05:16 <pwnguin> can you make calls on it?
Dec 25 06:05:37 <CyZooNiC> I guess
Dec 25 06:06:03 <pwnguin> i mean, its like 90 percent the same damn hardware, with the same damn kinds of programs
Dec 25 06:06:20 <pwnguin> its like saying bmw and subaru don't compete
Dec 25 06:06:43 <CyZooNiC> mmm
Dec 25 06:06:45 <pwnguin> because bmw is designed for rich people
Dec 25 06:07:46 <CyZooNiC> no, I would see it more like a subaru vs a custom car made by a large automaker
Dec 25 06:08:15 <pwnguin> so which isn't mass produced, the n900 or the iphone?
Dec 25 06:08:37 <CyZooNiC> n900
Dec 25 06:08:52 <pwnguin> so those koreans, they're not in factories?
Dec 25 06:09:02 <CyZooNiC> :)
Dec 25 06:09:44 <aspidites> i can make calls on my computer. does that make it a phone?
Dec 25 06:10:06 <pwnguin> aspidites: under duck typing, yes.
Dec 25 06:10:10 <pwnguin> it might not be a good one
Dec 25 06:10:24 <pwnguin> not very portable
Dec 25 06:10:28 <CyZooNiC> lol
Dec 25 06:11:17 <aspidites> except in that case duck typing isn't practical
Dec 25 06:11:24 <Arkenoi> do you guys (those who sync calendar with google via MfE) have event "description" synced properly when entered on the web?
Dec 25 06:11:31 <Arkenoi> i get it blank always
Dec 25 06:11:38 <CyZooNiC> mmm
Dec 25 06:11:42 <Arkenoi> does nuevasync solve that?
Dec 25 06:11:43 <CyZooNiC> not sure, let me check
Dec 25 06:11:59 <aspidites> is talk.maemo.org down for anyone else btw?
Dec 25 06:12:32 <pwnguin> look, if n900 was better than iphone in every way then this conversation wouldn't keep happening
Dec 25 06:12:37 <CyZooNiC> Arkenoi, I get blank descriptions also
Dec 25 06:12:43 <Arkenoi> :-(
Dec 25 06:12:48 <aspidites> :-| no sooner than i ask does it go back up...
Dec 25 06:12:58 <CyZooNiC> its not better than an iphone as a phone and easy of use
Dec 25 06:13:04 <pwnguin> its not a phone, so don't expect...  good phone features
Dec 25 06:13:29 <Arkenoi> people love multitouch. not because it is really more handy, just bceause they like how it feels.
Dec 25 06:13:30 <CyZooNiC> but its the first truly open device from a large phone maker.
Dec 25 06:13:47 <Arkenoi> CyZooNiC, well, there was freerunner, but it sucked
Dec 25 06:13:57 <aspidites> i wonder if we will ever discuss something original :)
Dec 25 06:14:02 <luke-jr> Arkenoi: multitouch is possible w/ resistive :)
Dec 25 06:14:11 <CyZooNiC> what good is multitouch if you can't pinch to zoom, thanks apple
Dec 25 06:14:13 <luke-jr> or at least, two-touch
Dec 25 06:14:25 <RST38h> Arkenoi: May I suggest a new cell phone form factor then?
Dec 25 06:14:27 <luke-jr> CyZooNiC: N900 is *not* truly open
Dec 25 06:15:11 <Arkenoi> actually n900 *has* good phone features. having decent voip and messaging is must for a good phone.
Dec 25 06:15:16 <luke-jr> CyZooNiC: the N900's being closed is one of the major 2 reasons I haven't bought one
Dec 25 06:15:19 <RST38h> Arkenoi: as shown here: http://www.baronbob.com/boobcreamer.jpg
Dec 25 06:15:20 <CyZooNiC> what part is not? the one where you can change your IMEI?
Dec 25 06:15:31 <Arkenoi> people just still do not understand it to the full extent
Dec 25 06:15:32 <luke-jr> CyZooNiC: drivers
Dec 25 06:16:26 <CyZooNiC> most of those are from TI aren't they?
Dec 25 06:16:37 <Arkenoi> RST38h, wow,  i like it, where can i buy one?
Dec 25 06:16:58 <RST38h> Arkenoi: No idea, you should ask Quim =)
Dec 25 06:17:03 <luke-jr> CyZooNiC: N900 is the most open of current-generation handhelds, but don't get confused and think it is actually open to a useful degree :)
Dec 25 06:17:18 <luke-jr> CyZooNiC: no, I'm not sure TI has any of those anymore
Dec 25 06:17:20 <aspidites> "useful degree"?
Dec 25 06:17:23 <luke-jr> CyZooNiC: one is Nokia, one is PowerVR
Dec 25 06:17:31 <luke-jr> aspidites: being able to replace the OS with something free
Dec 25 06:17:38 <RST38h> Seriously though, if 99% people are not interested in VoIP on their cell phones, it is a no go
Dec 25 06:17:44 <luke-jr> aspidites: or otherwise maintain the device w/o Nokia
Dec 25 06:17:46 <CyZooNiC> luke-jr, I see
Dec 25 06:17:54 <aspidites> luke-jr: ah.
Dec 25 06:18:02 <luke-jr> CyZooNiC: there are more than 2, but those are the ones I know for sure
Dec 25 06:18:03 <RST38h> If 99% people want soft, warm, round phone with multitouch, it will sell though
Dec 25 06:18:45 <Arkenoi> RST38h, voip is the future. the concepts of "long distance" and "roaming" are obsolete. cellular network operators should be reduced to data pipes.
Dec 25 06:18:51 <CyZooNiC> luke-jr, I still thinkg the N900 is a good move in the right direction.
Dec 25 06:19:20 <luke-jr> Arkenoi: uhm, roaming is not obsolete in any sense...
Dec 25 06:19:23 <Arkenoi> i cannot see why one wants to pay ridiculous money just because he changed location or calling someone via "long distance"
Dec 25 06:19:31 <luke-jr> CyZooNiC: from the N810, definitely
Dec 25 06:19:38 <CyZooNiC> yes :)
Dec 25 06:19:49 <luke-jr> Arkenoi: "long distance" doesn't really exist for cell phones in general, regardless of VoIP
Dec 25 06:19:50 <RST38h> Arkenoi: The operators will disagree :)
Dec 25 06:19:59 <luke-jr> at least in the USA
Dec 25 06:20:02 <RST38h> And if they disagree, the public bends over.
Dec 25 06:20:05 <luke-jr> unless you're dialing outside the country perhaps
Dec 25 06:20:09 <Arkenoi> RST38h, no one cares ;-)
Dec 25 06:20:18 <RST38h> Operators do not, indeed
Dec 25 06:20:26 <CyZooNiC> sorry guys, got to go, gf is getting mad. gnight
Dec 25 06:20:38 <luke-jr> CyZooNiC: the OpenMoko Freerunner (last generation) was a lot more open, but had other major usability issues :(
Dec 25 06:21:09 <luke-jr> Arkenoi: in the USA, it costs as much to call the other side of the country as it does across the street. from any cell phone.
Dec 25 06:21:55 <luke-jr> and even for VoIP, termination rates vary by country
Dec 25 06:22:04 <luke-jr> heck, even within countries
Dec 25 06:22:08 <RST38h> You wanted to say "by county"
Dec 25 06:22:26 <RST38h> Some rural spots in the US have higher termination rates than overseas
Dec 25 06:23:17 <luke-jr> RST38h: depends on where you get your minutes
Dec 25 06:23:22 <Arkenoi> US termination rate is lowest in the world anyways
Dec 25 06:23:26 <luke-jr> I pay a flat 1 cent per minute anywhere in the US
Dec 25 06:23:32 <RST38h> luke: You always get termination from the local monopoly
Dec 25 06:23:45 <RST38h> The one which owns the wires
Dec 25 06:23:54 <luke-jr> RST38h: termination needs not be from the local monopoly...
Dec 25 06:24:13 <luke-jr> heck, all USA termination could theoretically be from a single gateway
Dec 25 06:24:36 <luke-jr> local monopoly needs to compete with their nearby peers ;)
Dec 25 06:25:14 <luke-jr> oh hey, it's midnight... I can eat chicken and cookies now!
Dec 25 06:28:34 <Macer> hm
Dec 25 06:28:40 <Macer> inmarsat calls are like $2-3 on skype
Dec 25 06:29:03 <RST38h> pretty much the same as without skype it seems
Dec 25 06:29:11 <Macer> per minute :)
Dec 25 06:29:16 <Macer> wow
Dec 25 06:29:27 <RST38h> yea
Dec 25 06:29:31 <RST38h> You did not know?
Dec 25 06:29:47 <Macer> i guess i just used to take advantage of sat comm calling on ship haha
Dec 25 06:30:05 <Macer> i must have wasted thousands of tax payer dollars calling home when they issued me one lol
Dec 25 06:30:05 <RST38h> Macer: And the military paid inmarsat $3/minute.
Dec 25 06:30:11 <RST38h> Exactly
Dec 25 06:30:15 <Macer> lol
Dec 25 06:30:22 <luke-jr> Macer: jerk
Dec 25 06:30:31 <Macer> i guess that's why they try not to issue those things out :) i had an iridium phone
Dec 25 06:30:39 <Macer> and would use it more than most people use cell phones here
Dec 25 06:30:40 <Macer> hahahaha
Dec 25 06:30:56 * RST38h remembers using sat phone from Petropavlovsk Kamchatsky at something like $7/minute
Dec 25 06:31:13 <RST38h> There was a live operator who asked which ship we were on =)
Dec 25 06:31:32 <Macer> lol. we had to do that sometimes when we found out how to route calls through military switches
Dec 25 06:31:49 <Macer> they tried to block as many automatic switches as they could
Dec 25 06:32:05 <Macer> but i had a list of live switches with actual people on the other end and they really didn't ask many questions
Dec 25 06:32:06 <luke-jr> FCC should tell em 20 cents/min or they can't use those radio freqs <.<
Dec 25 06:32:19 <RST38h> Does not work like that =(
Dec 25 06:32:20 <Macer> FCC doesn't own space
Dec 25 06:32:23 <Macer> :)
Dec 25 06:32:26 <RST38h> And they do have lots of capital costs
Dec 25 06:32:32 <jkimball4> when moving data from one maemo to another, what folders do i need to save when in mass storage mode?
Dec 25 06:32:35 <RST38h> Macer: Oh but it does! Above US anyway.
Dec 25 06:32:55 <RST38h> jkmiball4: Make a backup, move the backup file
Dec 25 06:32:59 <Macer> RST38h: lol. i thought they already showed how far up airspace goes
Dec 25 06:33:04 <luke-jr> Macer: FCC controls radio use from the USA
Dec 25 06:33:05 <Macer> wasn't it like 100miles from land or something ?
Dec 25 06:33:07 <jkimball4> RST38h: that'll have all the pics and shit?
Dec 25 06:33:10 <jkimball4> music?
Dec 25 06:33:14 <luke-jr> they could at least ban the use within USA
Dec 25 06:33:23 <RST38h> jkimball4: Not sure, probably not
Dec 25 06:33:29 <Macer> luke-jr: they are going to triangulate the one sat phone operating on an unregistered freq amongst billions of people?
Dec 25 06:33:34 <Macer> :) good luck enforcing that one
Dec 25 06:33:45 <luke-jr> Macer: not very hard
Dec 25 06:33:50 <RST38h> also bad for free enteriprise, whatever it has come to mean in the US
Dec 25 06:33:54 <Macer> are they going to send space men up there to shoot down the satellite?
Dec 25 06:34:00 <Macer> lol
Dec 25 06:34:05 <luke-jr> Macer: that would be awesome :p
Dec 25 06:34:15 <luke-jr> but rather, just bomb it with a missile
Dec 25 06:34:21 <Macer> it would cost them billions to take out a sat comm sat in space
Dec 25 06:34:35 * Macer pictures frequency police in space
Dec 25 06:34:39 <Macer> someone should make a movie
Dec 25 06:34:57 <Macer> "Put the ham radio down and come out with your hands up!"
Dec 25 06:35:20 <Macer> "Do you have a permit for those ham freqs you are sending from space??? DO YOU?!?!"
Dec 25 06:35:38 <luke-jr> Macer: go make a ham sandwich
Dec 25 06:35:42 <Macer> i hate ham
Dec 25 06:35:47 <luke-jr> haha me too
Dec 25 06:35:56 <Macer> i like bacon.. but ham is just gross
Dec 25 06:36:18 <Macer> i think it has been raining for 10 days straight here
Dec 25 06:36:18 <luke-jr> what really pisses me off
Dec 25 06:36:22 <luke-jr> is when I order a bacon pizza
Dec 25 06:36:28 <luke-jr> and they put effing HAM on it
Dec 25 06:36:29 <Macer> and they put ham on it? :)
Dec 25 06:36:31 <Macer> hahahahaha
Dec 25 06:36:33 <luke-jr> and claim it is "Canadian bacon"
Dec 25 06:36:40 <luke-jr> wtf are the Canadians smoking, I wonder??
Dec 25 06:36:40 <Macer> that's why i never order pizza with bacon
Dec 25 06:36:50 <luke-jr> Macer: Domino's has it
Dec 25 06:36:51 <Macer> i had that happen to me once
Dec 25 06:36:53 <Macer> and i sent it back
Dec 25 06:37:00 <luke-jr> hahaha
Dec 25 06:37:01 <luke-jr> nice
Dec 25 06:37:02 <Macer> saying "I said bacon. this is AMERICA.. BITCH!"
Dec 25 06:37:09 <luke-jr> XD
Dec 25 06:37:23 <Macer> it wasn't the pizza man's fault. i specifically said ACTUAL BACON
Dec 25 06:37:25 <Macer> NOT HAM
Dec 25 06:37:32 <luke-jr> haha
Dec 25 06:37:32 <Macer> and they sent it with ham anyways :)
Dec 25 06:37:45 <luke-jr> HyVee will make one with actual bacon too
Dec 25 06:39:01 <Arkenoi> RST38h, i cannot understand why inmarsat is still alive. outdated technology, ridiculous prices - and still many new deployments
Dec 25 06:39:54 <Arkenoi> not only limited to marine use, some people (dunno why) use it in places with pretty good globalstar, iridium and even thuraya coverage
Dec 25 06:41:22 <Macer> Arkenoi: because large shipping companies have CEOs that also own stock in it ;)
Dec 25 06:41:35 <Macer> so they deploy it in their fleets to pay the right hand with the left
Dec 25 06:42:14 <Macer> plus. globalstar and iriduim are pretty damn expensive also hehe
Dec 25 06:43:15 <Macer> yeah but i was just looking at the most expensive places to call with skype
Dec 25 06:43:22 <Macer> and inmarsat was the most expensive
Dec 25 06:43:33 <Macer> ~$2-3
Dec 25 06:44:05 <Macer> i got these GE phones a while back that hook up to the switch and act as cordless phones. they are awesome. and at $3/month for unlimited US/Can calling you can't lose :)
Dec 25 06:44:12 <Macer> i still don't understand why vonage is so expensive
Dec 25 06:44:16 <Arkenoi> well, calling inmarsat from cellphone costs you about $10/min here ;-)
Dec 25 06:44:18 <Macer> when it is basically the same thing
Dec 25 06:44:25 <RST38h> Arkenoi: It is not alive
Dec 25 06:44:39 <Macer> Arkenoi: it's 2-3/min using skype
Dec 25 06:44:40 <Macer> heh
Dec 25 06:44:41 <RST38h> Arkenoi: It went titsup, then US government bought it out for military use
Dec 25 06:44:57 <RST38h> Arkenoi: But the company still continues as a semi-private enterprise
Dec 25 06:45:07 <Arkenoi> RST38h, wasn't that iridium?
Dec 25 06:45:19 <RST38h> Hmm...yes, maybe that was Iridium :)
Dec 25 06:45:24 <luke-jr> Macer: because Vonage competes with POTS companies unfairly
Dec 25 06:45:32 <Macer> luke-jr: so does skype
Dec 25 06:45:34 <Arkenoi> inmarsat feels pretty good
Dec 25 06:45:36 <Macer> :)
Dec 25 06:45:44 <Macer> and it's basically the same thing
Dec 25 06:45:47 <luke-jr> Macer: yes, Skype is even worse
Dec 25 06:45:51 <RST38h> Arkenoi: Inmarsat seems to do a lot of maritime stuff
Dec 25 06:45:53 <Macer> it's not unfairly
Dec 25 06:45:57 <Macer> they have a better infrastructure
Dec 25 06:46:05 <Arkenoi> as they have geostationary satellites which have quite long lifetime
Dec 25 06:46:05 <RST38h> Arkenoi: Maybe that is the niche that sustains them
Dec 25 06:46:06 <luke-jr> nope
Dec 25 06:46:08 <Macer> not their fault the older companies have 10billion miles of copper
Dec 25 06:46:09 <luke-jr> Skype is basically a worm
Dec 25 06:46:17 <Macer> a worm? :)
Dec 25 06:46:24 <RST38h> a trojan, you wanted to say?
Dec 25 06:46:32 <luke-jr> RST38h: perhaps that would better fit
Dec 25 06:46:33 <Macer> is this #hackers ?
Dec 25 06:46:43 <luke-jr> Macer: Skype hijacks *your* bandwidth for someone else's traffic
Dec 25 06:47:06 <Macer> luke-jr: uhm. i monitor my pkts and haven't really seen too much as far as rerouting traffic for skype to unknown sources :)
Dec 25 06:47:27 <Arkenoi> no one cares about big bucks invested in zillion miles of copper or just into vapour of "cellular brands". that's their own fault for sure.
Dec 25 06:47:30 <luke-jr> Vonage even still has you paying a share for the infrastructure to connect to them
Dec 25 06:47:47 <luke-jr> POTS companies actually pay for real infrastructure
Dec 25 06:47:54 <Arkenoi> luke-jr, that's why i do not use skype and stay with sip
Dec 25 06:47:57 <luke-jr> so it's included in their prices
Dec 25 06:48:00 <Macer> luke-jr: which is unnecessary now
Dec 25 06:48:10 <luke-jr> Vonage wants to charge the same prices but provide you with less
Dec 25 06:48:10 <Macer> the only infrastructure needed is a pipeline
Dec 25 06:48:23 <Macer> luke-jr: define less
Dec 25 06:48:23 <Macer> heh
Dec 25 06:48:32 <luke-jr> Macer: Vonage does not provide the pipe
Dec 25 06:48:32 <Macer> they get the job done . and the service requested
Dec 25 06:48:36 <Arkenoi> luke-jr, they sell data pipes and get paid for data pipes. no one cares they expected to make money from "long distance" forever.
Dec 25 06:48:37 <Macer> nor does skype
Dec 25 06:48:50 <luke-jr> Macer: if you want to compare prices with POTS, you need to compare Vonage + DSL/Cable, not just Vonage
Dec 25 06:48:52 <Macer> and since they don't provide the pipe.. why do they charge just as much as someone who does?
Dec 25 06:49:01 <Macer> luke-jr: i agree
Dec 25 06:49:13 <luke-jr> Macer: they charge as much because they compete unfairly
Dec 25 06:49:18 <Macer> and right now with my skype line i am playing cable + $3/month
Dec 25 06:49:20 <Macer> :)
Dec 25 06:49:23 <luke-jr> they are abusing the average idiot who doesn't know better
Dec 25 06:49:33 <Macer> playing / paying
Dec 25 06:49:37 <luke-jr> Macer: with Google Voice, I am paying Cable + $0/mo ;)
Dec 25 06:49:43 <Macer> i don't trust google voice
Dec 25 06:49:48 <luke-jr> me either, it's crap
Dec 25 06:49:54 <Macer> pretty soon you will make a call and will have to hear an ad
Dec 25 06:49:56 <luke-jr> it's 50/50 if I actually get calls
Dec 25 06:49:58 <Macer> before the call is connected
Dec 25 06:50:11 <luke-jr> but I can live with that for now
Dec 25 06:50:11 <Macer> it's just a matter of time. they are just building their base up first
Dec 25 06:50:29 <Macer> sooner or later then.. they are going to charge for it.. then raise prices. or force you to listen to 10 ads before being able to have your call go through
Dec 25 06:50:36 <luke-jr> Macer: thankfully, you can always port your number somewhere else
Dec 25 06:50:56 <luke-jr> and Google of course would need to give prior notice before such a change
Dec 25 06:50:58 <Macer> after that it's too late. your number is probably streamlined to a billion places :)
Dec 25 06:51:14 <luke-jr> so the day they announce such a plan, I can port to some affordable alternative
Dec 25 06:51:25 <luke-jr> Macer: they can't hijack numbers like that :)
Dec 25 06:51:28 <Macer> just like when they ask you for your email address at a retail outlet
Dec 25 06:51:32 <luke-jr> number portability is actually a law
Dec 25 06:51:51 <Macer> i remember a cashier asked for my email address and i was like
Dec 25 06:51:54 <Macer> "So you can spam me?"
Dec 25 06:52:01 <Macer> "No .. we don't do that."
Dec 25 06:52:07 <Macer> "I don't have an email address."
Dec 25 06:52:08 <Macer> hahahah
Dec 25 06:52:16 <Macer> "I'm amish"
Dec 25 06:52:53 <Macer> i just refused to give it to her. that shit pisses me off. there has to be a better way to market than to email people who shop for you .. which in turn just pisses them off
Dec 25 06:53:12 <Macer> shop from you i should say
Dec 25 06:54:34 <Macer> zimbra needs jabber conferencing in the web ui
Dec 25 06:54:45 <Macer> and persistant conferences in the admin ui
Dec 25 07:23:18 <wazd> mornin' everybody
Dec 25 07:55:43 <fdv> morning. When editing the phone numbers for contacts on the n900, the dual keys for letters and numbers only work in 'number mode'. is this a property of some hildon entry widget or is it specially tailored for the contacts app?
Dec 25 07:56:57 <Macer> i tell you one of the funniest west wings was the damn one where they miss the presidential motorcasde and are stuck hitch hiking across the US to get from indiana to DC
Dec 25 08:32:49 <RST38h> <yawn>
Dec 25 08:40:13 <RST38h> heya wazd
Dec 25 09:21:46 <Arkenoi> svu
Dec 25 09:22:05 <Vengeful> hi guys
Dec 25 09:22:28 <Vengeful> i really need to ask something about n900, can i? :|
Dec 25 09:22:47 <Stskeeps> that'll be 5 USD for askin
Dec 25 09:22:59 <Vengeful> geez, we are under holidays :D
Dec 25 09:23:14 <Vengeful> and btw merry christmas to all
Dec 25 09:23:28 <RST38h> Holidays are charged at $10.
Dec 25 09:23:36 <Vengeful> just received my n900
Dec 25 09:23:39 <RST38h> Go ahead.
Dec 25 09:23:42 <Vengeful> but it keeps locking and restarting
Dec 25 09:23:45 <Vengeful> every now and then
Dec 25 09:23:56 <Vengeful> just playing it around a litlle
Dec 25 09:24:04 <Vengeful> and got 5 locks and restarts
Dec 25 09:24:06 <Vengeful> is that normal?
Dec 25 09:24:11 <Stskeeps> get it replaced or look at bugs.maemo.org for temp solution
Dec 25 09:24:27 <swc|666> how do i get past this in the SDK? http://pastie.org/756274
Dec 25 09:24:30 <Vengeful> so it's broken, or can be reflashed?
Dec 25 09:29:07 <Stskeeps> Vengeful: sec
Dec 25 09:31:52 <Vengeful> i did download all the necessary to reflash, because that can't get it any worse :(
Dec 25 09:33:58 <Stskeeps> Vengeful: if you have a shot at getting a replacement, i would take it
Dec 25 09:34:44 <Stskeeps> let me drag out the bug repboport for you
Dec 25 09:35:01 <Vengeful> well i got it directly from nokia center here in italy
Dec 25 09:35:05 <Vengeful> i preordered it
Dec 25 09:35:08 <Stskeeps> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6334
Dec 25 09:35:09 <povbot> Bug 6334: random HW watchdog reboots (/proc/bootreason contains "32wd_to")
Dec 25 09:35:22 <Vengeful> i can ask them to replace
Dec 25 09:35:48 <Stskeeps> test if the off mode stuff helps you
Dec 25 09:40:22 <Vengeful> i would like to try but
Dec 25 09:40:38 <Vengeful> i'm no linux everyday user how unfortunate...
Dec 25 09:41:01 <Stskeeps> then act as a customer and state your device is rebooting a lot, and return it
Dec 25 09:41:10 <Stskeeps> that should get the device in the right hands
Dec 25 09:41:34 <Vengeful> reflashing it will void it's warranty?
Dec 25 09:41:52 <Stskeeps> nah, it's pretty standard behaviour
Dec 25 09:42:18 <Vengeful> so that'll be my first try i think
Dec 25 09:42:55 <luke-jr> lol
Dec 25 09:43:13 <Vengeful> i'm not so lolled about :
Dec 25 09:43:14 <Vengeful> :�
Dec 25 09:44:22 <Stskeeps> Vengeful: it's the same procedure nokia software update does so
Dec 25 09:45:40 <Vengeful> so if something goes wrong i can say that it was nokia SU !!
Dec 25 10:37:38 <odinm> ho ho ho merry christmas
Dec 25 10:42:08 <Stskeeps> best way to spend your christmas: building a os2007 kernel for n800
Dec 25 11:07:24 <frals> id say playing with wappushd is a better way!
Dec 25 11:08:01 <BluesLee> with whom i talked the last time about evopedia (an offline wikipedia reader)?
Dec 25 11:17:21 <LuciusMare> hi
Dec 25 11:17:42 <LuciusMare> i cant connect to my wifi with my n900,it always fails.
Dec 25 11:17:53 <LuciusMare> i can connect to it with other devices
Dec 25 11:18:02 <Vengeful> u're lucky
Dec 25 11:18:09 <Vengeful> mine is keeping rebooting,
Dec 25 11:18:20 <Vengeful> starting nokia software update, and stucked with a white nokia screen :D
Dec 25 11:18:36 <Wolfie> Vengeful: thought of returning on warranty?
Dec 25 11:18:53 <LuciusMare> that is called a "brick"
Dec 25 11:18:57 <F_> hello I've got a problem it seems like I can't flash my n900
Dec 25 11:19:00 <Vengeful> because i bought full price on the official local nokia store? yes :D
Dec 25 11:19:15 <Vengeful> but i can still reflash it right?
Dec 25 11:19:23 <Vengeful> so i'm installing xp on a second machine...
Dec 25 11:19:23 <F_> i have installed the flasher 3.5
Dec 25 11:19:49 <Vengeful> F_ i'm trying that too because nokia SU got stuck
Dec 25 11:20:07 <LuciusMare> omg
Dec 25 11:20:34 <LuciusMare> i set my wifi to "no encryption"
Dec 25 11:20:34 <LuciusMare> still fails
Dec 25 11:20:34 <LuciusMare> how can i troubleshoot it?
Dec 25 11:20:36 <F_> and use this command: flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
Dec 25 11:20:52 <ifreq> LuciusMare: sure you dont have any MAC access list on wifi ap
Dec 25 11:20:54 <Vengeful> i'm trying it from vmware XD
Dec 25 11:21:10 <F_> but when I connect the devise to the pc and keep u pressed nothing happens
Dec 25 11:21:19 <LuciusMare> ...
Dec 25 11:21:29 <LuciusMare> ifreq: kill me
Dec 25 11:21:35 <F_> and I can not start the n900 by pressing the powerbutton
Dec 25 11:21:52 <LuciusMare> where can i get MAC adress of my n900?
Dec 25 11:21:52 <F_> just bei insterting the charger oder usb cable
Dec 25 11:22:19 <F_> could someone maybe help me with this problem?
Dec 25 11:22:37 <Vengeful> oh well stores are closed now, so i'll try to reflash installing a little xp on a partition
Dec 25 11:22:51 <Vengeful> too bad for a top device like this
Dec 25 11:23:11 <ifreq> LuciusMare: open xterm --> gainroot --> ifconfig -a
Dec 25 11:24:18 <LuciusMare> wow, i need root to run ifconfig? :o
Dec 25 11:24:30 <ifreq> thats very normal
Dec 25 11:24:51 <ifreq> no normal user should need of nic interface info
Dec 25 11:26:12 <LuciusMare> *sigh*
Dec 25 11:26:24 <LuciusMare> after hiding SSID,fails again
Dec 25 11:27:12 <LuciusMare> omg
Dec 25 11:27:35 <LuciusMare> just after unchecking the hide ssid box
Dec 25 11:27:35 <LuciusMare> it connected well
Dec 25 11:27:35 <LuciusMare> ...
Dec 25 11:27:40 <BluesLee> is a maemo mapper user here?
Dec 25 11:27:47 <TomaszD> good day #maemo
Dec 25 11:28:21 <LuciusMare> TomaszD: hi
Dec 25 11:28:31 <Hukka> Is there a reasonable way to compress video before sharing it from fremantle?
Dec 25 11:28:38 <BluesLee> i cant read the text in maps/manage sources
Dec 25 11:33:18 <odinm> wireless access has ben good for me so far with n900
Dec 25 11:33:43 <BluesLee> rendering in maemo mapper doesnt seem to be shape enough for me, i guess i can configure this somewhere?
Dec 25 11:43:41 <rmrfchik>  is there any accountion application for maemo5?
Dec 25 11:51:33 * RST38h moos evilly
Dec 25 11:52:33 <derf> Moo RST38h.
Dec 25 11:54:03 <RST38h> derf: heya! know by any chance how long it takes for a package between promotion to extras and showing up in Downloads?
Dec 25 11:54:19 <RST38h> 'cause it looks like this pipeline is stuck again
Dec 25 11:54:40 <derf> RST38h: No idea. I've never made it that far.
Dec 25 11:55:41 <wazd_n800> RST38h, moo
Dec 25 11:58:05 <RST38h> derf: eh.
Dec 25 11:59:50 <derf> Given their previous track-record, I'd assume it'll be stuck until after New Year's.
Dec 25 12:04:24 <rmrfchik> no one knows personal accounting app for maemo5?
Dec 25 12:04:52 <wazd_n800> what's accounting?)
Dec 25 12:05:29 <thresh> счета вести, очевидно
Dec 25 12:05:38 <thresh> sorry for russian ;)
Dec 25 12:07:39 <wazd> thresh: oh, I've been thinking bout some other accounting :D
Dec 25 12:08:45 <RST38h> UTF-8. Yuck.
Dec 25 12:09:03 <mikhas> rmrfchik, you could try to create a db template for/with glom (glom.org)
Dec 25 12:10:55 <rmrfchik> wazd: personal finance
Dec 25 12:11:01 <rmrfchik> thresh: bingo
Dec 25 12:11:10 <rmrfchik> a-la gnucash may be
Dec 25 12:25:52 * RST38h seems t remember some finance program since Diablo times
Dec 25 12:30:37 <rmrfchik> i found grisbi for os2006... quiet old
Dec 25 12:30:43 <rmrfchik> quite
Dec 25 12:36:13 <wazd> can anyone show me a shot of xChat for maemo5 please?
Dec 25 12:52:00 <LuciusMare> wee
Dec 25 12:55:27 <frals> wazd: http://irc.frals.se/maemo/xchat.png
Dec 25 12:55:54 <wazd> frals: thx a lot
Dec 25 12:56:04 <frals> np
Dec 25 12:56:47 * Arkenoi just connected mrpo120 to n900. omfg, it works 8-)
Dec 25 12:57:47 <Shadikka> connected a what to n900?
Dec 25 12:57:57 <thresh> Arkenoi: wtf?
Dec 25 12:58:04 <inz> Likely mpro120
Dec 25 12:58:07 <inz> By 3m
Dec 25 13:00:01 <Arkenoi> yep
Dec 25 13:03:01 <timeless_mbp> hi inz
Dec 25 13:04:49 <inz> timeless, 'lo
Dec 25 13:05:05 * timeless_mbp is in London
Dec 25 13:05:35 <inz> Having a merry christmas?
Dec 25 13:06:16 <timeless_mbp> not being a christian, i'm doing work :)
Dec 25 13:06:25 <timeless_mbp> i pushed someone else's fix for mozilla1.9.2
Dec 25 13:06:36 <timeless_mbp> and i updated my l10n package for n900 1.1
Dec 25 13:06:41 <inz> Well, everyone does as they see best.
Dec 25 13:07:30 <timeless_mbp> a woman assaulted the pope?
Dec 25 13:07:41 <inz> What?
Dec 25 13:07:42 <Shadikka> Yeah
Dec 25 13:07:43 * timeless_mbp sighs
Dec 25 13:07:47 <Shadikka> My friend was there :P
Dec 25 13:07:51 <thresh> she tried to hug him
Dec 25 13:07:52 <timeless_mbp> would someone please shoot someone @nokia for me?
Dec 25 13:09:16 <Vengeful> hi guys
Dec 25 13:09:48 <Vengeful> it seems i can't reflash my n900 because it's bricked, and xp doesn't recognize its update mode
Dec 25 13:10:09 <Vengeful> any help? :|
Dec 25 13:10:43 <timeless_mbp> http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/w7/nokia%20map%20language%20selection.png
Dec 25 13:11:02 <timeless_mbp> Vengeful: using flasher3.5 or ?
Dec 25 13:11:22 <timeless_mbp> inz/wazd: what's a destination langauge?
Dec 25 13:11:28 <timeless_mbp> s/aug/uag/
Dec 25 13:11:28 <infobot> timeless_mbp meant: inz/wazd: what's a destination language?
Dec 25 13:11:48 <timeless_mbp> cute the next screen uses a substandard width font
Dec 25 13:12:49 <inz> timeless, of course the language of the place you want to go to!-)
Dec 25 13:13:12 <timeless_mbp> oh right!
Dec 25 13:13:52 <inz> timeless, then you can have the language problems before even arriving!
Dec 25 13:14:17 <timeless_mbp> http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/w7/nokia%20map%20destination%20folder.png
Dec 25 13:14:30 <timeless_mbp> check out the heading there
Dec 25 13:15:59 <felipec> timeless_mbp: I gave up trying to figure out Nokia's understanding of internationalization when I found Suomi (Suomi) is a location, and so is Español (América Latina)
Dec 25 13:16:13 <Stskeeps> wazd: got a new marina template yet?
Dec 25 13:16:26 <timeless_mbp> felipec: yeah well
Dec 25 13:16:32 <timeless_mbp> they're priorities
Dec 25 13:16:44 <timeless_mbp> "We must support these localizations!"
Dec 25 13:16:49 <timeless_mbp> "We must not translate them"
Dec 25 13:16:59 <timeless_mbp> "We must use them everywhere"
Dec 25 13:17:16 <timeless_mbp> "Translations are regional, so they must be regions, right?"
Dec 25 13:17:35 <wazd> Stskeeps: well, sort of :)
Dec 25 13:18:31 <felipec> timeless_mbp: yeap, and of course everyone is living on the country they grew up in
Dec 25 13:18:55 <timeless_mbp> felipec: like me
Dec 25 13:19:08 <timeless_mbp> i mean, here i am in London, which must be the country I grew up in
Dec 25 13:19:21 <timeless_mbp> oh wait. is London not part of the greater U S of A?
Dec 25 13:19:49 <timeless_mbp> and where I am, Finland, that last bastion of communism, that's part of the U S A too, right? they speak broken English there, so it must be....
Dec 25 13:20:04 <timeless_mbp> s/am/live/
Dec 25 13:20:05 <infobot> timeless_mbp meant: and where I live, Finland, that last bastion of communism, that's part of the U S A too, right? they speak broken English there, so it must be....
Dec 25 13:20:08 * timeless_mbp sighs
Dec 25 13:20:14 * timeless_mbp needs to go outside and enjoy the Sun
Dec 25 13:20:35 <timeless_mbp> it's a rare treat for me...
Dec 25 13:20:45 <derf> You must be in a different London than the one I know.
Dec 25 13:20:47 <rmrfchik> i wonder will n900 run upcoming maemo6?
Dec 25 13:21:22 <timeless_mbp> oh clever
Dec 25 13:21:30 <timeless_mbp> derf: if you're nearby...
Dec 25 13:21:36 <felipec> London Minnesota :)
Dec 25 13:21:46 <derf> felipec: Haha.
Dec 25 13:21:53 <derf> That one might not be covered in fog.
Dec 25 13:21:55 <Stskeeps> wazd, will be glad to  to have a copy :P
Dec 25 13:21:58 <Stskeeps> of the template
Dec 25 13:21:58 <timeless_mbp> sadly, there's actually a second London in the n900 Clock
Dec 25 13:22:28 <derf> timeless_mbp: No, I _am_ in the U S A.
Dec 25 13:22:41 <timeless_mbp> oh
Dec 25 13:22:59 <jreznik> rmrfchik: I hope so, I'm trying to get into maemo development and gtk world is really strange one... I can understand embedded developers using C but... (no flame pls :D)
Dec 25 13:23:45 <timeless_mbp> jreznik: learning gtk now to work on maemo makes very little sense
Dec 25 13:24:06 <timeless_mbp> not flaming, just friendly advice
Dec 25 13:24:21 <Stskeeps> jreznik: qt might be a better choice
Dec 25 13:24:54 <mikhas> erm ... only if you think there will be no GTK+ for maemo6 ...
Dec 25 13:25:33 <jreznik> qt is not very well integrated yet :(
Dec 25 13:25:35 <timeless_mbp> mikhas: what part of nokia's roadmap for maemo wouldn't have given you that idea?
Dec 25 13:25:39 <felipec> if I'm traveling in Russia I don't think I would be able to select the right region (Россия), and then, I doubt they would be able to figure the timezone with that :p
Dec 25 13:26:03 <jreznik> gtk & c is strange combination, I'm using usually PyGtk - then it's usable
Dec 25 13:26:08 <mikhas> huh? since when does need nokia's help to run a community port?
Dec 25 13:26:15 <timeless_mbp> felipec: you're asked to pick a timezone
Dec 25 13:26:27 <mikhas> jreznik, good choice
Dec 25 13:26:29 <timeless_mbp> mikhas: inclusion in the box..
Dec 25 13:27:16 <felipec> timeless_mbp: ah, right, after selecting the region
Dec 25 13:29:12 <timeless_mbp> felipec: only problem is if you like region=USA and are living in the Old World and thus need a timezone that isn't covered.
Dec 25 13:29:30 * timeless_mbp watches windows boot again
Dec 25 13:29:39 <jreznik> mikhas: I still prefer Qt but first I'd like to get into "native" Maemo development before porting Makneto (our KDE whiteboarding app) to pure Qt & Maemo
Dec 25 13:29:40 * timeless_mbp is going to try the new Ovi Map Loader w/ an n900
Dec 25 13:29:53 <timeless_mbp> jreznik: that's a huge waste of effort
Dec 25 13:29:54 <mikhas> pyqt then =)
Dec 25 13:29:56 <Stskeeps> in firtst boot wizard?
Dec 25 13:30:00 <Stskeeps> also, be more specific
Dec 25 13:30:02 <Stskeeps> ....
Dec 25 13:30:05 <Stskeeps> sorry, lag
Dec 25 13:30:41 <felipec> timeless_mbp: lol, The Old Wolrd... it has been a while since I've heard that phrase :)
Dec 25 13:31:10 <timeless_mbp> it doesn't get newer :)
Dec 25 13:32:27 <jreznik> timeless_mbp: but nice way how to get used to the new platform ;-) (and it's saying former OM FreeRunned user/developer :D)
Dec 25 13:32:29 <mikhas> jreznik, what happens if you just compile makneto? some first screenshots?
Dec 25 13:33:45 <jreznik> mikhas: first I have to get rid of KDE extensions but it should be relatively easy
Dec 25 13:34:03 <mikhas> yeah, start with that
Dec 25 13:34:12 <mikhas> I've just watched your screencast
Dec 25 13:34:18 * timeless_mbp sighs
Dec 25 13:34:21 <timeless_mbp> the ovi maps loader installer installed an uninstaller to my w7 start menu
Dec 25 13:34:33 <timeless_mbp> are the guys working on that app really that clueless?
Dec 25 13:34:38 <mikhas> it doesnt look as if you need to rewrite complex UI widgets?
Dec 25 13:35:07 <mikhas> so perhaps the current level of integration of either qt 4.5 or 4.6 is sufficient?
Dec 25 13:35:46 <LuciusMare> hi
Dec 25 13:35:58 <LuciusMare> where can i find nintendo (GBA,SNES) emulator for maemo?
Dec 25 13:36:44 <jreznik> mikhas: the whole thing needs rewrite - we haven't touch it for ages but as prototype it was nice but now I see more wide usage - with touchscreen phones etc., so we'd like to start again... but for testing purposes - no big rewrites are needed
Dec 25 13:37:08 <mikhas> ah, I see
Dec 25 13:37:23 <ifreq> lucius try google. itd not legally colmpliant so its not in repos
Dec 25 13:37:31 <mikhas> ugh, polish commit comments? =p
Dec 25 13:37:32 <ifreq> but .deb exists
Dec 25 13:37:47 <LuciusMare> ifreq: and what about the optify?
Dec 25 13:37:59 <ifreq> dunno bout optify
Dec 25 13:38:48 <LuciusMare> meh
Dec 25 13:38:54 <LuciusMare> so another question.
Dec 25 13:39:00 <LuciusMare> how can i optify apps?
Dec 25 13:40:07 <n900evil> it's like how you shot web.
Dec 25 13:40:50 <lcuk> LuciusMare, http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify/blobs/master/README heppy christmas
Dec 25 13:41:09 <oscillik> n900evil: hah
Dec 25 13:41:28 <LuciusMare> oh
Dec 25 13:41:33 <LuciusMare> so its not *that* hard?
Dec 25 13:41:41 <wazd> Stskeeps: sure :)
Dec 25 13:45:19 <timeless_mbp> oh brother.
Dec 25 13:45:30 <timeless_mbp> the nokia map downloader app will kill itself if the network goes away
Dec 25 13:45:37 <timeless_mbp> that's really mobile friendly
Dec 25 13:45:53 <LuciusMare> wait a minute
Dec 25 13:45:57 <LuciusMare> why is it illegal?
Dec 25 13:46:08 <LuciusMare> as long as it does not come with ROMs,i guess its legal...
Dec 25 13:46:39 <ifreq> it isnt
Dec 25 13:46:48 <ifreq> nintendo didnt like it
Dec 25 13:47:10 <LuciusMare> android has a lot of emulators *in repos*
Dec 25 13:47:13 <ifreq> you can read all abt it from google
Dec 25 13:47:29 <ifreq> snes/gba emu too?
Dec 25 13:48:15 <LuciusMare> hm
Dec 25 13:48:20 <LuciusMare> i dont want to mess my phone
Dec 25 13:48:35 <timeless_mbp> http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/w7/map%20loader%20maps%20never%20used%20eh.png
Dec 25 13:48:44 <timeless_mbp> i've never used ovi maps on my n900?
Dec 25 13:49:37 <wazd> W7 reminds me maemo this way :)
Dec 25 13:49:50 <squidd> ifreq: more like nintendo didnt like nokia showing some games in some vids
Dec 25 13:50:21 <timeless_mbp> wazd: you're saying the nokians who wrote this awful ui remind you of the ones who brought you maemo?
Dec 25 13:50:27 <ifreq> squidd anyways it wa removed from repos because of that
Dec 25 13:50:30 <timeless_mbp> i think the maemo nokians should feel insulted
Dec 25 13:50:38 <LuciusMare> squidd: and as i read about the case, they only didnt like that nokia said that the emulators need spearate ROMS
Dec 25 13:50:47 <wazd> timeless_mbp: nono, windows 7 UI
Dec 25 13:50:56 <wazd> timeless_mbp: with taskbar on the left
Dec 25 13:51:06 <timeless_mbp> wazd: taskbar defaults to bottom, not left
Dec 25 13:51:12 <squidd> ifreq: yes, nokia did that cos they paniced :D
Dec 25 13:51:16 <timeless_mbp> but yeah, maemo3/4 reminded me of windows :)
Dec 25 13:52:06 <timeless_mbp> hrm, w7 is searching for drivers for my n81 8gb from windows update
Dec 25 13:52:08 <squidd> LuciusMare: yes, cos apparently ROM's are in 99% of cases illegally downloaded
Dec 25 13:52:33 <LuciusMare> squidd: yes
Dec 25 13:52:42 <LuciusMare> squidd: lets be the one percent!
Dec 25 13:52:57 <timeless_mbp> LuciusMare: i'd bet 1% is overstating it
Dec 25 13:52:59 <squidd> i tried some snes games, wasnt so impressed :P
Dec 25 13:53:14 <Vengeful> timeless_mbp
Dec 25 13:53:22 <Vengeful> it seems that i flashed wrong file
Dec 25 13:53:35 <timeless_mbp> Vengeful: how'd you manage that?
Dec 25 13:53:36 <Vengeful> "was trying to flash"
Dec 25 13:53:42 <ifreq> cool
Dec 25 13:53:43 <Vengeful> well i flashed the second one
Dec 25 13:53:45 <Vengeful> directly
Dec 25 13:53:49 <Vengeful> and it come alive
Dec 25 13:53:59 <Vengeful> and it seems that is not random rebooting too
Dec 25 13:54:08 <swc|666> finally got a fully working iptables 0.0
Dec 25 13:54:13 <Vengeful> yesterday was like 4 times in 5 minutes
Dec 25 13:54:18 * timeless_mbp wonders why people are randomly flashing stuff anyway
Dec 25 13:54:28 <Vengeful> i was flashing
Dec 25 13:54:32 <Vengeful> because of the random reboots
Dec 25 13:54:46 <Vengeful> i would have take it to the service center where i bought
Dec 25 13:55:01 <Vengeful> so i tried here...
Dec 25 13:55:02 <derf> Random reboots are normal.
Dec 25 13:55:08 <Vengeful> yes sure
Dec 25 13:55:10 <squidd> LuciusMare: basicly the question is: is it legal to download a rom if you own the game already
Dec 25 13:55:13 <Vengeful> it's not as mature as it should be
Dec 25 13:55:19 <Vengeful> but not 4 times in a row
Dec 25 13:55:19 <timeless_mbp> w7 driver installation is funny
Dec 25 13:55:30 <Vengeful> in 5 minutes of just wandering in the options
Dec 25 13:55:37 <derf> It's an effort to make it feel more like Windows.
Dec 25 13:55:43 <Vengeful> lol
Dec 25 13:55:50 <Vengeful> my win never crash tho :|
Dec 25 13:55:58 <derf> But seriously, the watchdog timer is pretty easy to trigger.
Dec 25 13:56:43 <Vengeful> but i'm no linux everyday user
Dec 25 13:56:58 <gabba_gandalf> hey all. i'm going to buy me a new mobile telephone. watchin the n900 at the moment. can you recommend me some alternatives to this?
Dec 25 13:56:59 <Vengeful> so it's all difficult for me, even if i'm a power user
Dec 25 13:57:45 <squidd> gabba_gandalf: pretty much depends what you need
Dec 25 13:57:59 <gabba_gandalf> i heared something about a mid from gigabyte, but i cant find it where to buy
Dec 25 13:58:05 <lcuk> gabba_gandalf, learn to engadget
Dec 25 13:58:42 <gabba_gandalf> squidd: want moblin, browsing internet, can be a little bit bigger but should fit in my pants bags
Dec 25 13:59:16 <squidd> gabba_gandalf: n900 is pretty nice for browsing and stuff
Dec 25 13:59:32 <gabba_gandalf> lcuk: sry, my english is bad ^^ what do you mean?
Dec 25 14:00:07 <gabba_gandalf> squidd: yeah, but i heared the touchscreen is not very good, is there an alternative? i mean there isn't smth else atm
Dec 25 14:00:11 <Vengeful> that is the best MID to go in internet
Dec 25 14:00:33 <gabba_gandalf> Vengeful: the n900 ord that from gigabyte?
Dec 25 14:00:33 <squidd> gabba_gandalf: i dunno who is saying that touchscreen isnt good. i think its very good
Dec 25 14:00:40 <Vengeful> n900
Dec 25 14:00:49 <gabba_gandalf> squidd: kk, than i'll belive you :)
Dec 25 14:01:41 <gabba_gandalf> Vengeful: kk, then i'll buy this one i think. is moblin runnign stable on it? a friend said that it hangs sometimes and crashes
Dec 25 14:03:23 * timeless_mbp eyes gabba_gandalf 
Dec 25 14:03:24 <gabba_gandalf> GIGABYTE’s M528 is interesting, but i can't find it to buy
Dec 25 14:03:33 <timeless_mbp> you're very confusing
Dec 25 14:03:35 <swc|666> uh, could someone tell me if there is anything in their /usr/local/libexec/ folder on their n900 ?? i accidentally overwrote mine :|
Dec 25 14:03:40 <gabba_gandalf> timeless_mbp: why? ^^
Dec 25 14:03:54 <timeless_mbp> why are you confusing? dunno, perhaps it takes talent and you have it?
Dec 25 14:04:08 <gabba_gandalf> timeless_mbp: oO
Dec 25 14:04:29 <gabba_gandalf> timeless_mbp: sry, maybe its my bad english
Dec 25 14:04:43 <timeless_mbp> maybe. hard to tell, that certainly doesn't help matters
Dec 25 14:05:01 <timeless_mbp> are you interested in an n900 or another product that runs Maemo?
Dec 25 14:05:03 <timeless_mbp> there are a couple
Dec 25 14:05:15 <timeless_mbp> roughly speaking, things which aren't running Maemo are offtopic here
Dec 25 14:05:32 <gabba_gandalf> timeless_mbp: yes, i know, thats because i'm in this channel :D
Dec 25 14:05:39 <timeless_mbp> the n800, n810, and n900 run Maemo
Dec 25 14:05:46 <timeless_mbp> they do not out of the box run moblin
Dec 25 14:05:53 <gabba_gandalf> timeless_mbp: the n900 is the best to get at the moment i think
Dec 25 14:05:59 <timeless_mbp> nor would discussing their ability to do so be on topic here
Dec 25 14:06:17 <timeless_mbp> roughly speaking Moblin would be a competitor to Maemo
Dec 25 14:06:21 <gabba_gandalf> timeless_mbp: n900 doesn't run maemo out of the box?
Dec 25 14:06:23 <timeless_mbp> if it weren't dead or forgotten
Dec 25 14:06:26 <oscillik> timeless_mbp: that said, this is IRC - not the third reich
Dec 25 14:06:42 <timeless_mbp> oscillik: and gabba_gandalf is confused
Dec 25 14:06:47 <timeless_mbp> so it's worth a bit of education
Dec 25 14:06:53 <timeless_mbp> gabba_gandalf: Maemo != Moblin
Dec 25 14:07:00 <gabba_gandalf> timeless_mbp: ahhhhh sry, i think i have a mistake with moblin and maemo...
Dec 25 14:07:04 <gabba_gandalf> timeless_mbp: give me a moment
Dec 25 14:07:04 <timeless_mbp> MSDOS != DRDOS
Dec 25 14:07:11 <oscillik> hehe!
Dec 25 14:07:14 <timeless_mbp> they both were 'disk operating systems'
Dec 25 14:07:21 <timeless_mbp> but they were ostensibly competitors
Dec 25 14:07:48 <gabba_gandalf> yeah, i'm confusing, you are right ^^ give me a moment to think about it
Dec 25 14:08:22 <swc|666> PLEASE.. someone with an n900, tell me if their /usr/local/libexec/ is empty or not
Dec 25 14:08:26 <oscillik> on a side note, i'd just like to say that Maemo beats Android for my personal requirements....except i do miss Google Maps
Dec 25 14:08:29 <gabba_gandalf> ok, forget moblin, i mean maemo
Dec 25 14:08:45 <gabba_gandalf> but i'll go to buy the n900 i think
Dec 25 14:08:46 <oscillik> swc|666: checking now
Dec 25 14:08:52 <swc|666> oscillik, thx
Dec 25 14:09:10 <frals> swc|666: dont have that dir ;+
Dec 25 14:09:30 <swc|666> phew
Dec 25 14:09:33 <oscillik> yeah same here
Dec 25 14:09:36 <oscillik> don't have that directory
Dec 25 14:09:43 <swc|666> awesome! thx guys
Dec 25 14:10:01 <gabba_gandalf> cYa @ all, thanks for the infos
Dec 25 14:10:07 <frals> np
Dec 25 14:10:15 * oscillik <3 his N900, especially now the Nokia Messaging seems to be working okay
Dec 25 14:17:01 * Arkenoi found that using the same google account for email push via NM and for calendar sync via MfE -> trouble, failed outgoing emails 
Dec 25 14:18:29 <oscillik> i found that having over 100 emails in my inbox was causing NM to choke. this is VERY BAD, this shouldn't happen. i hope Nokia fix this soon
Dec 25 14:19:23 * Arkenoi thinks i'd prefer just working sync with google without using nm
Dec 25 14:19:51 <oscillik> Arkenoi: that is why we need to vote on the bug report for IMAP_IDLE
Dec 25 14:20:00 <oscillik> i have already done so, i suggest you do the same :)
Dec 25 14:20:01 * Arkenoi already voted ;-)
Dec 25 14:20:03 <oscillik> aha
Dec 25 14:20:12 <oscillik> good man/woman/carbon based lifeform
Dec 25 14:35:44 <CZi> hello
Dec 25 14:35:51 <CZi> and good morning for some
Dec 25 14:37:54 <b-man17> happy holidays :)
Dec 25 14:38:11 <CZi> thanks
Dec 25 14:38:25 <CZi> and to you too
Dec 25 14:41:54 <cehteh> anyone working on a sftp or ftp thing for the share api? .. let one easily push things to his own server
Dec 25 14:42:46 <timeless_mbp> cehteh: i tried to get someone to do scp
Dec 25 14:42:49 <timeless_mbp> or was that you?
Dec 25 14:42:53 <cehteh> nope
Dec 25 14:43:00 <cehteh> scp would be nice too
Dec 25 14:43:37 <cehteh> hehe and i just try to share a photo to ovi .. doesnt seen to work yet?
Dec 25 14:44:22 <timeless_mbp> offhand, i thought it did
Dec 25 14:45:14 <cehteh> 13kb .. takes ages now ..
Dec 25 14:47:07 <oscillik> hmmm i wonder if there's a port of FLAC to maemo
Dec 25 14:47:17 <oscillik> and i wonder how the N900 would handle converting it
Dec 25 14:47:48 <timeless_mbp> mercurial-sprint@selenic.com ?
Dec 25 14:47:50 <timeless_mbp> eep
Dec 25 14:47:55 <timeless_mbp> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-flac/
Dec 25 14:48:04 <timeless_mbp> (please pretend you didn't see that address)
Dec 25 14:48:17 <CZi> anyone know how to reinstall the "calender" app if removed
Dec 25 14:48:29 <timeless_mbp> how did you 'remove' it?
Dec 25 14:48:35 <timeless_mbp> there's no ui to do such a silly thing
Dec 25 14:48:52 <oscillik> timeless_mbp: is that the commandline encoder/decoder though?
Dec 25 14:49:02 <timeless_mbp> that's kinda like asking "how can i reinsert my barbie doll's head"
Dec 25 14:49:11 <timeless_mbp> oscillik: *shrug*
Dec 25 14:49:14 <timeless_mbp> that's "google"
Dec 25 14:49:16 <oscillik> i really want to get rid of the games on my N900 :(
Dec 25 14:49:27 <oscillik> thanks timeless_mbp, i'll give it a try :)
Dec 25 14:49:38 <oscillik> might just try 'apt-get install flac'
Dec 25 14:49:39 <oscillik> :p
Dec 25 14:49:42 <CZi> apt-get remove calender
Dec 25 14:49:56 <oscillik> try apt-get install calendar?
Dec 25 14:50:01 <CZi> tried
Dec 25 14:50:07 <oscillik> ahhh
Dec 25 14:50:09 <oscillik> erm
Dec 25 14:50:10 <oscillik> reflash
Dec 25 14:50:14 * oscillik thumbs up
Dec 25 14:50:20 <cehteh> doesnt mplayer do flac?
Dec 25 14:50:20 <CZi> "no such app"
Dec 25 14:50:32 <CZi> reflash is not nice
Dec 25 14:51:01 <oscillik> cehteh: i don't just want to play the FLACs, i want to be able to encode WAVs on my N900 as FLAC using the commandline
Dec 25 14:51:14 <cehteh> mencoder :P
Dec 25 14:51:17 <CZi> calender should be an app like all others, remove/install as needed?
Dec 25 14:51:18 <timeless_mbp> CZi: removing barbie's head isn't nice either
Dec 25 14:51:22 <CZi> hehe
Dec 25 14:51:24 <timeless_mbp> it hurts her when you do that
Dec 25 14:51:24 <oscillik> CZi: it's not nice, no. but i've already reflashed 4 times since i bought my handset last saturday
Dec 25 14:51:30 <ShadowJK> oscillik, ogg-support from extras makes the media player able to play flac files
Dec 25 14:51:32 <tg> hoi
Dec 25 14:51:38 <timeless_mbp> CZi: calendar isn't an app like that
Dec 25 14:51:45 <timeless_mbp> if it was, it'd be viewable in add/remove
Dec 25 14:51:52 <timeless_mbp> (if you install my strings, you'll see add/remove)
Dec 25 14:51:53 <timeless_mbp> it isn't
Dec 25 14:51:54 <CZi> it is not possible to get DEB package
Dec 25 14:51:57 <ShadowJK> oh, you want the 'flac' command
Dec 25 14:52:02 <oscillik> ShadowJK: as stated, i do not wish to merely play FLAC files, i wish to be able to encode a WAV file to a FLAC
Dec 25 14:52:02 <timeless_mbp> it's roughly like deleting 'explorer.exe'
Dec 25 14:52:03 <oscillik> yes yes :)
Dec 25 14:52:11 <timeless_mbp> CZi: as an end user? correct, it isn't possible
Dec 25 14:52:16 <oscillik> just wondering how it'd handle it
Dec 25 14:52:28 <timeless_mbp> there are no published debs for things which aren't updated and aren't optional
Dec 25 14:52:41 <CZi> :(
Dec 25 14:52:56 <oscillik> CZi: just reflash - it's not that hard, and you can backup your data
Dec 25 14:53:08 <timeless_mbp> CZi: stop biting Barbie's head off
Dec 25 14:53:22 <cehteh> mhm missing search apps .. emails, contacts or globally ...
Dec 25 14:53:24 <timeless_mbp> that's not really covered under your average service contract
Dec 25 14:53:36 <CZi> hmm
Dec 25 14:53:38 <timeless_mbp> cehteh: yep, yep, yep
Dec 25 14:53:58 <timeless_mbp> CZi: if you really want to do it
Dec 25 14:54:06 <oscillik> timeless_mbp: i'm sure there is a beheading clause
Dec 25 14:54:15 <timeless_mbp> next time, use a script that rebuilds debs of the system packages before you remove them
Dec 25 14:54:27 <timeless_mbp> oscillik: in Barbie's sale papers?
Dec 25 14:54:27 <cehteh> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=428134  .. and multiple apn's
Dec 25 14:54:33 <timeless_mbp> i think she comes w/o warrantees
Dec 25 14:54:57 <cehteh> i hope the next firmware will be a big update
Dec 25 14:55:21 * CZi of to do the reflash dance
Dec 25 14:55:48 <timeless_mbp> cehteh: it isn't
Dec 25 14:55:52 <timeless_mbp> assuming you mean 1.1
Dec 25 14:55:53 <cehteh> oscillik: flac encoding should be hacked into the 'recorder' app :)
Dec 25 14:56:05 <timeless_mbp> which people can ask for now to do early testing
Dec 25 14:56:08 <oscillik> cehteh: hmmm now THAT would be interesting
Dec 25 14:56:46 <oscillik> i currently use a Hi-MD recorder to record PCM files, but having the ability to record FLAC audio on my N900 would certainly be useful
Dec 25 14:57:02 <cehteh> timeless: whoever you asked to do a scp share things .. was he interested?
Dec 25 14:57:08 <oscillik> althought with the fidelity of the built in mic, it'd be questionable really to use FLAC
Dec 25 14:57:22 <timeless_mbp> cehteh: it's in the logs, he seemed like he might think about it
Dec 25 14:57:26 <timeless_mbp> but i'd encourage you to nibble
Dec 25 14:57:32 <timeless_mbp> first come first service
Dec 25 14:58:34 <cehteh> oscillik: sure yes, but you dont want to destroy bad recording by lossy compression further and you can plug in a better mic, while i donno how well the preamp and adc is
Dec 25 14:59:19 <cehteh> currently it only stores in pcm .. that sux .. should be at least use the dsp to store in one of the cell-phone codecs
Dec 25 15:00:17 <timeless_mbp> CZi: if you insist on breaking stuff
Dec 25 15:00:18 <timeless_mbp> http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/
Dec 25 15:00:59 <timeless_mbp> the do-all-pkgs.sh script and its relatives might work
Dec 25 15:01:04 <timeless_mbp> no promises
Dec 25 15:01:12 <timeless_mbp> i don't think i grab everything, but it's a start
Dec 25 15:01:38 <oscillik> cehteh: erm, how does PCM suck? PCM is the equivilent of WAV
Dec 25 15:01:53 <oscillik> unless it's using some strange sampling rate
Dec 25 15:02:13 <timeless_mbp> since wave is just a container
Dec 25 15:02:19 <timeless_mbp> which typically holds some pcm..
Dec 25 15:03:05 <cehteh> oscillik: space wise .. if you only want to record some speech for transcription you dont need exellent quality but you want to conserve space
Dec 25 15:03:28 <cehteh> uses 32khz as far as i seen
Dec 25 15:03:37 <cehteh> hey its a cell phone :)
Dec 25 15:03:39 <oscillik> ahh yes that is a weird sampling rate to use
Dec 25 15:03:50 <SplasPood> anyone know the status of libc6-dev?
Dec 25 15:03:56 <oscillik> should be 16bit/44.1KHz
Dec 25 15:04:24 * oscillik just pondered the awesomeness of being able to record 24bit/96KHz audio with the N900
Dec 25 15:04:27 <cehteh> err 22khz
Dec 25 15:04:41 <oscillik> ahh yes, 22KHz is even worse!
Dec 25 15:04:51 <cehteh> its common in telephony
Dec 25 15:05:00 <cehteh> dunno what the device supports
Dec 25 15:05:01 <oscillik> indeed
Dec 25 15:05:15 <oscillik> the device certainly supports playback at 44.1KHz
Dec 25 15:05:30 <cehteh> even 48khz
Dec 25 15:05:54 <cehteh> (or does it resample those?)
Dec 25 15:05:59 <oscillik> hmmm not sure
Dec 25 15:06:15 <oscillik> i did throw a 48KHz WAV file at it earlier and it played it with aplomb
Dec 25 15:06:25 <oscillik> no idea if it resampled though
Dec 25 15:07:06 <cehteh> the internal mediaserver uses the dsp .. not easy to figure out whats going on there
Dec 25 15:07:51 <oscillik> does anyone know if there is a spec sheet for the DSP? i would imagine it'd be capable of doing ADC at 44.1KHz
Dec 25 15:08:36 <cehteh> uhm is it possible to restart the mediaserver? mine seems to be out for lunch
Dec 25 15:10:04 <cehteh> time for reboot .. grr
Dec 25 15:15:56 <felipec> cehteh: by media server you mean the deamon? if it's the DSP stuff: dsp stop && dsp start
Dec 25 15:16:16 <cehteh> ah thanks .. but i rebooted now
Dec 25 15:17:30 <timeless_mbp> SplasPood: the status of libc6-dev?
Dec 25 15:17:43 <timeless_mbp> -dev stuff should typically be in the sdk repo
Dec 25 15:18:10 <timeless_mbp> and you should typically use that from a scratchbox/sdk
Dec 25 15:19:19 <SplasPood> typically, I suppose this is true ;)
Dec 25 15:19:48 <LuciusMare> hi
Dec 25 15:20:27 <LuciusMare> n900's got a LED for taking photos,is there an app to light it up as a flashlight?
Dec 25 15:21:47 <zash> LuciusMare: there were talks about that yesterday
Dec 25 15:22:39 <LuciusMare> zash: and?
Dec 25 15:23:08 <zash> LuciusMare: /lastlog says flashlight and liqtorch
Dec 25 15:24:32 <cehteh> someone wants to make an app to configure the notification light colors?
Dec 25 15:25:41 <timeless_mbp> cehteh: heh
Dec 25 15:25:45 <LuciusMare> liqtorch just makes the display white
Dec 25 15:25:59 <cehteh> LuciusMare: Flashlight works
Dec 25 15:26:09 <zash> http://maemo.org/packages/view/flashlight-applet/
Dec 25 15:26:13 <zash> Allows you to use flash LEDs as a flashlight.
Dec 25 15:26:27 <LuciusMare> oh
Dec 25 15:26:34 <LuciusMare> is it in extras?
Dec 25 15:26:46 <cehteh> timeless_mbp: would be useful and not too complicated
Dec 25 15:27:02 <timeless_mbp> oh not too complicated i'll buy
Dec 25 15:27:04 <timeless_mbp> useful i question
Dec 25 15:27:10 <timeless_mbp> have you seen tweakr?
Dec 25 15:27:16 <timeless_mbp> i claim that your thing belongs there
Dec 25 15:27:27 <timeless_mbp> so... either ask that guy to do it, or offer him the code
Dec 25 15:27:28 <cehteh> is the mce free or closed?
Dec 25 15:27:33 <timeless_mbp> he's alive and responsive
Dec 25 15:27:43 <timeless_mbp> mce.ini is human readable
Dec 25 15:28:03 <cehteh> yes .. but i meant the daemon code
Dec 25 15:28:05 <timeless_mbp> but the code is closed, it's also irrelevant :)
Dec 25 15:28:35 <cehteh> control notification light based on ambient light sensor for example :)
Dec 25 15:28:38 <timeless_mbp> and the guys who touch/read it are fairly willing to augment any missing documentation about things like mce.ini
Dec 25 15:28:49 <cehteh> timeless: no its not irrelevant
Dec 25 15:28:53 <timeless_mbp> oh yuck
Dec 25 15:29:07 <luke-jr> cehteh: it is on Christmas
Dec 25 15:29:14 <luke-jr> get off IRC you shut-ins!
Dec 25 15:29:16 <timeless_mbp> well, the ambient sensor is available
Dec 25 15:29:19 <cehteh> i am atheist :P
Dec 25 15:29:21 <timeless_mbp> luke-jr: not my holiday :)
Dec 25 15:29:29 <timeless_mbp> but i have to shower, because the sun is setting
Dec 25 15:29:44 <timeless_mbp> (it sets much later hear in London than in HEL)
Dec 25 15:37:22 <LuciusMa1e> meh
Dec 25 15:37:24 <LuciusMa1e> n900 is arm or i386?
Dec 25 15:38:10 <n900evil> arm
Dec 25 15:38:15 <LuciusMa1e> thx
Dec 25 15:38:28 <luke-jr> ...
Dec 25 15:39:54 <oscillik> LuciusMare: it tells you on the handset itself, on the rear of the display when you slide it up to access the keyboard
Dec 25 15:40:16 <oscillik> it states: "ARM Cortex-A8 | 32GB"
Dec 25 15:40:23 <luke-jr> oscillik: I would *hope* a question like that is pre-purchase. Anyway, he left.
Dec 25 15:40:41 <oscillik> yay for lag :(
Dec 25 15:41:42 <oscillik> it'll be a strange day when Nokia uses i386 CPUs in their handsets
Dec 25 15:49:02 <Vengeful> any good page like "customizing" your maemo? XD
Dec 25 15:49:53 <LuciusMare> hi
Dec 25 15:51:22 <LuciusMare> i downloaded the flashight .deb manually - and installed it. (i know, i know) But it doesnt seem to install properly,mit didnt appear in menu or any of folders
Dec 25 15:53:20 <LuciusMare> anybody installed flashlight and worked?
Dec 25 15:54:36 <cehteh> yes
Dec 25 15:54:51 <cehteh> you'd rtfm?
Dec 25 15:55:23 <cehteh> it not easy discoverable :)
Dec 25 15:55:39 <n900evil> luc: yes
Dec 25 15:55:50 <n900evil> luc: worked for me
Dec 25 15:57:20 <LuciusMare> hm
Dec 25 15:57:23 <LuciusMare> wait
Dec 25 15:57:29 <LuciusMare> i didnt
Dec 25 15:57:53 <LuciusMare> where can i find flashlight?
Dec 25 15:58:23 <cehteh> comeon, rtfm we dont want to type it here
Dec 25 15:58:37 <fredrin> anyone treid Fremantel pr 1.1? what's new?
Dec 25 15:58:47 <LuciusMare> cehteh: okay
Dec 25 15:59:00 <LuciusMare> where can i find the manual for it?
Dec 25 16:00:31 <LuciusMare> please
Dec 25 16:00:42 <aspidites> manual for what?
Dec 25 16:01:00 <LuciusMare> i guess for flashlight
Dec 25 16:01:05 <LuciusMare> or no?
Dec 25 16:01:57 <cehteh> LuciusMare: program manager -> desinstall -> flashlight -> details
Dec 25 16:02:06 <LuciusMare> oh
Dec 25 16:02:10 <LuciusMare> thanks
Dec 25 16:02:47 <cehteh> well and dont deinstall it, i just dont know another way how to access package descriptions
Dec 25 16:03:15 <LuciusMare> yes
Dec 25 16:03:36 <LuciusMare> wait
Dec 25 16:03:43 <LuciusMare> i tap status menu
Dec 25 16:03:58 <LuciusMare> and there's just battery,bluetooth...
Dec 25 16:04:11 <LuciusMare> no flashlight
Dec 25 16:04:19 <cehteh> do you have the camera cover open?
Dec 25 16:04:31 <LuciusMare> yes
Dec 25 16:04:45 <cehteh> the whole time?
Dec 25 16:04:58 <LuciusMare> yes
Dec 25 16:05:02 <cehteh> .. since you installed it? maybe close and open it again ..
Dec 25 16:05:11 <tealbird> Does anyone find esbox useful?
Dec 25 16:05:27 <LuciusMare> i'll just reboot
Dec 25 16:08:09 <aspidites> btw, apt-cache search app_name shows package description too (though it will show more results than just the one package. looking into how to isolate that
Dec 25 16:09:15 <cehteh> aspidites: well i wanted some gui way for him
Dec 25 16:09:28 <aspidites> cehteh: ah.
Dec 25 16:10:28 <cehteh> would be nice if the progmananger had a packages search in the main menu and, displaying description etc and then either install or uninstall
Dec 25 16:10:38 <cehteh> kindof other way around to use it
Dec 25 16:11:09 <cehteh> list all packages/maybe filter by search and choose action then
Dec 25 16:12:03 <aspidites> cehteh: yeah, that's why i use apt-get, apt-cache, and dpkg. actually i just wrapped them all up into a python script
Dec 25 16:12:27 <aspidites> also, gui can't install more than one thing at once from what i can tell
Dec 25 16:12:33 <cehteh> i am old fart dselect user :P
Dec 25 16:12:52 <aspidites> dselect isn't on n900 though :-(
Dec 25 16:13:03 <cehteh> yes and more annoying after you install a package the list is displayed from the start and not where you left of
Dec 25 16:13:18 <cehteh> that doesnt scale
Dec 25 16:13:32 <aspidites> cehteh: agreed. though, if i remember, the same isn't true for uninstalling
Dec 25 16:14:02 <cehteh> well i guess we will see better/improved frontend in future
Dec 25 16:14:39 <aspidites> i take that back. same for uninstalling :-(
Dec 25 16:15:24 <aspidites> cehteh: while we are on it, i think the biggest annoyance is that things installed via command line don't show up in the current pacakge manager
Dec 25 16:15:31 <cehteh> how does one restart mce .. or re-read its config at least?
Dec 25 16:15:40 <oscillik> aspidites: yes they do
Dec 25 16:15:41 <Ceron> http://compare-network-monitoring-tools.com/42_Inch_Monitor.html
Dec 25 16:15:52 <oscillik> aspidites: i installed systeminfowidget via apt-get
Dec 25 16:15:56 <oscillik> it showed in the app manager
Dec 25 16:15:58 <cehteh> aspidites: nah thats ok (for packages which should be hidden)
Dec 25 16:16:13 <cehteh> official / gui packages show up
Dec 25 16:16:29 <cehteh> well and you may swallow the red pill if you need more
Dec 25 16:17:06 <aspidites> oscillik: correction. they showed up after a refresh. still slightly annoying
Dec 25 16:17:20 <aspidites> cehteh: define "packages that should be hidden"
Dec 25 16:17:45 <aspidites> if by that you mean non-explicitly installed apps -- aka everything except deps then sure
Dec 25 16:17:45 <oscillik> aspidites: lol! erm, even in ubuntu you have to refresh synaptic to see packages you've just installed]
Dec 25 16:17:50 <cehteh> whats normally hidden from the gui
Dec 25 16:17:55 <GAN900> Merry Christmas, everybody! :)
Dec 25 16:18:03 <oscillik> in fact, if you have gsynaptics open the commandline apt-get won't allow you to install anything
Dec 25 16:18:17 <oscillik> so that is kind of a redundant criticism
Dec 25 16:18:31 <aspidites> oscillik: i'm coming from archlinux. regardless of gui or cli installed packages are visible without a refresh :-)
Dec 25 16:18:41 <aspidites> only need to refresh to update the repos. call me spoiled
Dec 25 16:18:44 <cehteh> err /etc/init.d/mce restart reboots ...
Dec 25 16:18:49 <thresh> is this arch some new kind of gentoo?
Dec 25 16:19:13 <thresh> cause that will explain a lot
Dec 25 16:19:18 <cehteh> there is no 'reload' .. another dent in the case why i want such open sourced
Dec 25 16:19:34 <aspidites> thresh: not really. similarities, but was (for me) less painful. has binary packages with the option of installing from source (or recompiling binary packages)
Dec 25 16:20:26 <aspidites> consider that in debian (or more likely ubuntu) you have to "apt-get upgrade && apt-get isntall so_and_so" arch lets you "pacman -Sy so_and_so" the y telling it to update repos first
Dec 25 16:20:57 <oscillik> aspidites: pacman is not apt-get
Dec 25 16:21:00 <aspidites> haven't used debian based distros in a while, so I've obviously forgotten a few small things
Dec 25 16:21:31 <aspidites> oscillik: i know that. but they are both package managers.
Dec 25 16:21:59 <oscillik> aspidites: Windows is an operating system. so is Mac OS X
Dec 25 16:22:05 <oscillik> doesn't mean that they do things the same way
Dec 25 16:22:14 <oscillik> just as long as the result is the same
Dec 25 16:22:54 <aspidites> oscillik: i never claimed that they should. what i AM saying is that it's going to take some time to get used to, so you being defensive is rather unnecessary
Dec 25 16:23:36 <aspidites> you act as though i'm one of the "iphone guys" saying "why doesn't this do this like the iphone". more accurate is that i am saying "oh, so this doesn't do it like the iphone, i have to do it that way. ok"
Dec 25 16:23:37 <oscillik> aspidites: and i'm just saying that your criticism is redundant since the app manager in maemo follows standard paradigms for an apt-get based installation method
Dec 25 16:23:55 <cehteh> what is 'softpoweroff' btw?
Dec 25 16:23:59 <oscillik> i agree that the pacman method is better
Dec 25 16:24:15 <cehteh> kindof hibernate?
Dec 25 16:24:19 <oscillik> and would be awesome on maemo, but unfortunately it uses aptitude
Dec 25 16:24:33 <aspidites> oscillik: my initial critisism was based on the lack of knowlege. and silently withdrawn (i thought that was implied with "oh" that was mentioned before"
Dec 25 16:24:35 <aspidites> )
Dec 25 16:26:00 <b-man17> GAN900: Merry Christmas to you too! :D
Dec 25 16:26:25 <oscillik> aspidites: i see no "oh", only "call me spoiled" and other statements to the effect of saying "i am used to doing things one way, maemo does things another way and i think it sucks that maemo doesn't do things the way i'm used to"
Dec 25 16:26:28 <aspidites> oscillik: for what it's worth, i thought that packages not showing up (before a refresh) were a side-effect of adding repos manually that don't show up in the catalog dialog". or is there a way to refresh that too?
Dec 25 16:26:58 <oscillik> hmmmmm i don't think that'd be the case, i believe it is simply a side effect of maemo using aptitude and apt-get
Dec 25 16:27:13 <oscillik> like i said - it would be cool to have the same functionality as pacman
Dec 25 16:27:22 <oscillik> i agree, because my app-manager takes FOREVER to refresh
Dec 25 16:27:37 <oscillik> but then again, it'd take forever to refresh anyway, even if it was auto-refreshing
Dec 25 16:27:37 <oscillik> :-s
Dec 25 16:27:43 <aspidites> oscillik: i know that now. i was speaking in retrospect. it's clear you are misunderstanding the intentions of everything i say
Dec 25 16:28:23 <oscillik> aspidites: of course - i'm english, you're american....we;re meant to misunderstand each other :p :D how are you finding the N900 otherwise?
Dec 25 16:29:07 <oscillik> *not meant to
Dec 25 16:29:10 <oscillik> damn i'm tired
Dec 25 16:29:15 <oscillik> i blame the turkey
Dec 25 16:29:37 <aspidites> i love the N900. and the package manager i can deal with :-). even wrote a apt-get wrapper to spoil myself a bit
Dec 25 16:30:13 <aspidites> most anything that does bother me is something i can fix myself, find a work around for, or will be fixed with a firmware update
Dec 25 16:30:35 <oscillik> aspidites: other than some email niggles, i'm pleased with mine. i showed it off to my freedom-loving friend last night when i did 'apt-get install nano' - he was impressed
Dec 25 16:30:48 <aspidites> most anything that does bother me is something i can fix myself, find a work around for, or will be fixed with a firmware update
Dec 25 16:31:43 <aspidites> oscillik: i work at t-mobile and everyone there was drooling. particularly because of the rumpors stating we are supposed to be subsidizing it at some point
Dec 25 16:32:20 <oscillik> aspidites: i was hoping that my network was going to get it, but i couldn't wait and bought it SIM free.
Dec 25 16:33:14 <aspidites> oscillik: yep. that and i rationalized my purchase by saying i wasn't tied to a contract. even did the math: subsidized, i'd have paid an additional 150 for the phone
Dec 25 16:33:38 <oscillik> win win
Dec 25 16:33:41 * oscillik thumbs up
Dec 25 16:34:23 <Vengeful> sorry to ask but
Dec 25 16:34:38 <Vengeful> it's only my n900 that keeps rebooting every now and then
Dec 25 16:34:47 <Vengeful> something like at least 1 time every 5 minutes of use?
Dec 25 16:34:54 <aspidites> no Vengeful and there are plenty of threads discussing it
Dec 25 16:35:03 <Vengeful> that's ok for me
Dec 25 16:35:04 <aspidites> some state firmware reflash, others hardware defect
Dec 25 16:35:15 <Vengeful> i mean
Dec 25 16:35:22 <Vengeful> if it's only mean i'll ask for a replace
Dec 25 16:35:28 <Stskeeps> Vengeful: checked bug report i referred to?
Dec 25 16:35:30 <Vengeful> only mine*
Dec 25 16:35:33 <Vengeful> yes
Dec 25 16:35:36 <Vengeful> and i reflashed too
Dec 25 16:35:37 <Stskeeps> ad no its not normslal
Dec 25 16:35:48 <Vengeful> so messing around with contacts
Dec 25 16:35:48 <aspidites> its not only you but i would still replace it
Dec 25 16:35:53 <Vengeful> and playing with menus
Dec 25 16:36:03 <Vengeful> should not freeze and reboot it
Dec 25 16:36:11 <Vengeful> ok
Dec 25 16:36:12 <aspidites> Vengeful: http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=6000130
Dec 25 16:36:18 <Vengeful> monday i'll go for a replace
Dec 25 16:36:36 <aspidites> might be some other fixes in those threads until you get time to replace
Dec 25 16:37:04 <Vengeful> mmhm
Dec 25 16:37:16 <Vengeful> i do have a H3G as provider
Dec 25 16:37:54 * aspidites wishes there was 3G in his area
Dec 25 16:38:26 <Vengeful> so wait
Dec 25 16:38:30 <Vengeful> there is a log or a dump
Dec 25 16:38:44 <Vengeful> that store reboot reasons
Dec 25 16:39:06 <Vengeful> it says: I opened the terminal to look to /boot/bootreason to see the cause of the reboot, it contains: 32wd_to that means was the watchdog that reboots the terminal.
Dec 25 16:40:45 <Vengeful> there is no file inside
Dec 25 16:40:50 <Vengeful> in my terminal tho
Dec 25 16:40:52 <cehteh> so charging yellow blinking/ green is now even on when the display is on and the device on blinks purple instead white :)
Dec 25 16:41:02 <Stskeeps>  /proc/bootreason
Dec 25 16:41:10 <Vengeful> ah ok
Dec 25 16:41:44 <cehteh> but handediting mce.ini isnt fun
Dec 25 16:42:37 <Vengeful> and for opening it
Dec 25 16:42:47 <Vengeful> what's the editor? vi?
Dec 25 16:42:53 <Vengeful> joe?
Dec 25 16:43:02 <cehteh> btw when i add an irc account under accounts/messaging i didnt yet found out if its possible to join a channel with that
Dec 25 16:43:39 <ShadowJK> it's not
Dec 25 16:44:24 <cehteh> well and it doesnt proper log out, on freenode this blocks the nick for infinite time unless you ping it out
Dec 25 16:46:27 <Vengeful> nvm i think it's blank
Dec 25 16:46:36 <Vengeful> so that's doesn't help either
Dec 25 16:47:35 <ShadowJK> yeah, idle isn't really useful
Dec 25 16:47:58 <Vengeful> i'm trying to set 2G only then
Dec 25 16:52:00 <jadams> merry christmas
Dec 25 16:52:37 <LuciusMare> any way to get ethernet to n900?
Dec 25 16:52:50 <jadams> LuciusMare, i.e. not via wireless or usb?
Dec 25 16:54:00 <LuciusMare> usb ethernet?
Dec 25 16:55:17 <jadams> LuciusMare, you could always usb bridge
Dec 25 16:55:49 <jadams> http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/
Dec 25 16:56:37 <jadams> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking
Dec 25 16:56:46 <LuciusMare> but n909 cant do that,right?
Dec 25 16:56:49 <jadams> that's for the openmoko, but it should apply pretty cleanly, if that's what you're into.
Dec 25 16:56:55 <jadams> surely it can
Dec 25 16:57:01 <LuciusMare> wow
Dec 25 16:57:04 <jadams> I've not done it...but I can't conceive of a way it could fail
Dec 25 16:57:11 <jadams> why not just get on the wireless network, also?
Dec 25 16:57:26 <jadams> I've used a usb cable to tether my desktop to the internet via the n900
Dec 25 16:57:39 <jadams> I've not yet done it with bluetooth, though I installed a package the purported to make bluetooth dun work
Dec 25 16:57:58 <LuciusMare> wow
Dec 25 16:58:02 <LuciusMare> but wait
Dec 25 16:58:09 <kejiaj> Hello i can,t unzip file with ending like tar.gz
Dec 25 16:58:15 <kejiaj> How to do it
Dec 25 16:58:25 <kejiaj> By n900
Dec 25 16:58:34 <LuciusMare> i need a station that is already connected to ethernet
Dec 25 16:59:09 <n900evil> kej: tar -xzvf foo.tar.gz
Dec 25 16:59:22 <jadams> LuciusMare, right, there's not an ethernet jack on the n900
Dec 25 16:59:23 <kejiaj> Thanks man
Dec 25 16:59:37 <jadams> you can either get on a network via bluetooth (haven't done) or via wireless, or via usb
Dec 25 16:59:49 <jadams> but to get on via usb you need a host computer
Dec 25 17:00:04 <jadams> (but you're getting on a network anyway...without wireless...surely you planned to have one?)
Dec 25 17:01:22 <kejiaj> What about with tar.xz ending
Dec 25 17:01:35 <LuciusMare> no,thats why i asked :/
Dec 25 17:02:05 <LuciusMare> i meant some kind of an extension
Dec 25 17:02:05 <wazd> http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/12/25/2010-ui-countdown-6-%E2%80%93-xchat/ boom
Dec 25 17:02:17 <LuciusMare> like usb to ethernet
Dec 25 17:02:35 <kejiaj> Thanks if anyone would tell me how to unzip with zip.xz
Dec 25 17:03:28 <ShadowJK> gigantic text :/
Dec 25 17:05:58 * RST38h doubts anyone will implement this design though =(
Dec 25 17:06:57 <ShadowJK> yeah it's a pain to rewrite the widgets
Dec 25 17:07:18 <okra> has anyone installed e17 on a n810?
Dec 25 17:09:25 <Vengeful> oh
Dec 25 17:09:31 <Vengeful> doing cat /proc/bootreason
Dec 25 17:09:38 <Vengeful> says 32wd_to
Dec 25 17:09:56 <Vengeful> so that's it
Dec 25 17:10:19 <Vengeful> at this point i think i got a defected unit
Dec 25 17:10:32 <ShadowJK> yes
Dec 25 17:12:43 <Vengeful> i'll ask for a replace monday then :|
Dec 25 17:12:49 <Vengeful> how unlucky
Dec 25 17:14:54 <wazd_n800> Stskeeps, all for maemo, time for mer)
Dec 25 17:26:24 <LuciusMare> hi
Dec 25 17:26:31 <LuciusMare> i wanted to install an app
Dec 25 17:26:38 <LuciusMare> but its for os2007
Dec 25 17:26:58 <Vengeful> you are lucky as hell if your terminal it's not defected!
Dec 25 17:27:18 <LuciusMare> so it told me its incompatibile - how do i get it on fremantle? Or do i have to find the "right" version?
Dec 25 17:27:51 <thresh> you have to get the sources and try to rebuild.
Dec 25 17:28:01 <thresh> and then it's not guaranteed it will actually work.
Dec 25 17:29:06 <LuciusMare> meh
Dec 25 17:29:11 <ShadowJK> what app?
Dec 25 17:30:08 <LuciusMare> nvm
Dec 25 17:30:26 <LuciusMare> damn
Dec 25 17:30:40 <LuciusMare> you told me a link a while ago,it was about usb networking
Dec 25 17:31:02 <LuciusMare> could you please send it me again?
Dec 25 17:31:47 <cehteh> LuciusMare: iirc the n900 can do usb networking out of the box, and did you get the flashlight work now?
Dec 25 17:32:20 <LuciusMare> oh
Dec 25 17:32:22 <LuciusMare> yes,i did
Dec 25 17:32:23 <LuciusMare> thanks
Dec 25 17:32:29 <flux> my wlan died (a reboot will likely fix it). suggestions on how to get out the best debugging information out before I reboot it?
Dec 25 17:32:57 <flux> it's the first time I got the problem (visiting my parent's), so it's unlikely I'll easily repeat the problem
Dec 25 17:33:51 <LuciusMare> cehteh: so how do i set it so i get the network from machine connected to the thernet?
Dec 25 17:33:53 <LuciusMare> *ethernet
Dec 25 17:34:36 <LuciusMare> rtfm,okay
Dec 25 17:34:42 <LuciusMare> but i dont even know what to google
Dec 25 17:34:54 <LuciusMare> "maemo ethernet tethering box to device" ?
Dec 25 17:35:43 <LuciusMare> aww
Dec 25 17:35:54 <LuciusMare>   With USB host mode it's possible to setup and utilize a wired network connection for times when you don't have access to WiFi...
Dec 25 17:36:08 <LuciusMare> Note: The N900 does not support USB Host-mode/OTG. See discussion for details.
Dec 25 17:37:23 * LuciusMare sniffs
Dec 25 17:37:27 <LuciusMare> stupid nokia
Dec 25 17:37:41 <dmj7263> blame the usb consortium
Dec 25 17:37:47 <cehteh> you dont need host mode for networking
Dec 25 17:38:21 <cehteh> iirc some people work on enabling it anyways, but i dont know what the state is, its a bit delicate because it conflicts with the charging spec
Dec 25 17:38:32 <LuciusMare> where did you read ti?
Dec 25 17:38:34 <LuciusMare> it?
Dec 25 17:39:03 <cehteh> maybe you can fry the device or not power the usb port
Dec 25 17:39:19 <cehteh> talk.mamemo.org .. google .. whatever there are plenty discussions
Dec 25 17:40:58 <LuciusMare> hm
Dec 25 17:41:30 <LuciusMare> i see that the reason that n900 cant usb-otg is because its unable to supply power - couldnt it be just bypassed by a powered hub?
Dec 25 17:42:48 <cehteh> maybe
Dec 25 17:43:26 <cehteh> well i would be careful by saying 'just' or 'simple' ...
Dec 25 17:43:34 <LuciusMare> meh
Dec 25 17:43:46 <LuciusMare> the only scarr at the face of n900
Dec 25 17:43:47 <cehteh> setup bluetooth tethering
Dec 25 17:44:00 * cehteh does that too :)
Dec 25 17:44:11 <LuciusMare> but...but...
Dec 25 17:44:22 <LuciusMare> the n900 was released this month!
Dec 25 17:44:37 <LuciusMare> maybe someone will get to do that!
Dec 25 17:44:54 <LuciusMare> i hope so
Dec 25 17:45:30 <cehteh> as i saied network tethering shoudl work in gadget mode too, your laptop or whatever is the host then
Dec 25 17:45:35 <LuciusMare> i know
Dec 25 17:45:53 <LuciusMare> but i see that a thumb drive to maemodevice is possible...not just at n900
Dec 25 17:45:59 <cehteh> also on my todo list .. and disable this unmounting and reformat the flash with ext3 or so
Dec 25 17:46:00 <LuciusMare> i know i can tether
Dec 25 17:46:16 <LuciusMare> but i want to get it to usb host
Dec 25 17:49:14 <cehteh> and i turned off the vibrator when email arrives now .. bsst .... bsst ..... bsst .. grr
Dec 25 17:49:39 <siriusnova> any news on an N900 update?
Dec 25 17:49:53 <LuciusMare> hm
Dec 25 17:50:15 <LuciusMare> so,is there a guide how to tether the signal from ethernet connected device to n900?
Dec 25 17:53:34 <LuciusMare> hello? :(
Dec 25 17:53:52 <siriusnova> hi
Dec 25 17:54:11 <bongo|kup> hi
Dec 25 17:54:17 <Stskeeps> a   aautos-startx
Dec 25 17:54:17 <Stskeeps> before first boot wizard
Dec 25 17:54:22 <Stskeeps> B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B..
Dec 25 17:54:41 <Stskeeps> sigh
Dec 25 17:54:44 <Stskeeps> stupud lag.
Dec 25 17:55:11 <LuciusMare> ...
Dec 25 17:55:38 <LuciusMare> what was that supposed to mean?
Dec 25 17:56:18 <Stskeeps> something along the lines of some stuff that should have gone into #mer
Dec 25 17:56:37 <LuciusMare> ah
Dec 25 17:56:41 <LuciusMare> k
Dec 25 17:56:56 <LuciusMare> and the guide? :/
Dec 25 17:58:08 <LuciusMare> please?
Dec 25 17:58:37 <Stskeeps> don't know any
Dec 25 17:58:45 <LuciusMare> meh
Dec 25 17:58:46 <Stskeeps> google for it? probably bluetooth tethering or something
Dec 25 17:58:52 <LuciusMare> i want usb tethering
Dec 25 17:58:56 <LuciusMare> :/
Dec 25 17:59:02 <LuciusMare> uh oh
Dec 25 17:59:11 <LuciusMare> what should i do with a .install file?
Dec 25 18:00:06 <LuciusMare> doubleclick on it,or maemo has a tool to deal with these?
Dec 25 18:00:16 <Stskeeps> use it in your n8x0 browser
Dec 25 18:00:39 <Stskeeps> er, nxxx
Dec 25 18:00:51 <LuciusMare> meh
Dec 25 18:01:09 <LuciusMare> and if i just have it in storage of my nxxx?
Dec 25 18:01:40 <LuciusMare> wow
Dec 25 18:01:49 <LuciusMare> its so small
Dec 25 18:01:57 <LuciusMare> er
Dec 25 18:02:29 <LuciusMare> so at the beginning,i ran off my FUP limit,so i want to download it from computer to tablet,but the .install files are just like links.where can i download the whole deb?
Dec 25 18:08:06 <davyg> hi, i'm just doing my noob, but how can I select text in a webpage on maemo default browser ?
Dec 25 18:08:25 <Stskeeps> davyg: n900? click the interaction guide link
Dec 25 18:08:28 <Stskeeps> that explains it
Dec 25 18:08:52 <davyg> you mean the tutorial ?
Dec 25 18:09:13 <Stskeeps> yes
Dec 25 18:09:14 <Stskeeps> well, the browser tutorial
Dec 25 18:11:17 <wazd_n800> ho ho ho
Dec 25 18:11:29 <davyg> not sure where i can found it :s i shouldn't be so noob but i'm too much excited by the n900 to think clearly ^^
Dec 25 18:12:09 <MohammadAG> davyg, just swipe your finger from the bottom left corner of the screen above the navigation bar
Dec 25 18:13:12 <davyg> oh thanks man it's so cooooool <mode kikoolol off>
Dec 25 18:13:17 <MohammadAG> davyg, http://www.mobypicture.com/user/nokiAAddict/view/5756554, see where the arrow is? Swipe your finger from left > right
Dec 25 18:13:19 <LuciusMare> ...
Dec 25 18:14:10 <davyg> it works thanks but it's hard to discover at first time
Dec 25 18:14:16 <Stskeeps> yeah
Dec 25 18:14:22 <MohammadAG> that's why there's a guide and a manual
Dec 25 18:15:24 <davyg> yes but the tutorial was pretty long and i was too much impatient
Dec 25 18:16:43 <davyg> but n900 is really what i have expected, so cool to have a linux box
Dec 25 18:17:17 <Stskeeps> but see the link in the Web bookmarks link
Dec 25 18:17:22 <Stskeeps> it really helped my usage
Dec 25 18:17:36 <wazd_n800> yeah, n900 iis awesome)
Dec 25 18:17:49 <wazd_n800> Stskeeps, saw my xchat concept?
Dec 25 18:18:20 <Stskeeps> nop, hit me?
Dec 25 18:19:25 <Stskeeps> it better not look like ms comic chat
Dec 25 18:19:57 <davyg> ok found the link in the bookmark ^^
Dec 25 18:20:02 <wazd_n800> Stskeeps, my blog)
Dec 25 18:21:02 <LuciusMare> :/
Dec 25 18:21:19 <LuciusMare> the fact that n900 cant do usb host really killed my day
Dec 25 18:22:27 <Stskeeps> LuciusMare: read specs next time :p
Dec 25 18:22:52 <LuciusMare> but...but...
Dec 25 18:22:57 <Stskeeps> wazd: <3
Dec 25 18:23:07 <Gadgetoid> rowr
Dec 25 18:23:13 <swc|666> LuciusMare, usb host should be possible
Dec 25 18:23:37 <LuciusMare> ^^
Dec 25 18:24:23 <swc|666> and when it is, you'll need a powered hub
Dec 25 18:25:38 <LuciusMare> yes,i kinda expected it
Dec 25 18:26:03 <LuciusMare> actually,where can i read more about it?
Dec 25 18:26:12 <swc|666> the omap chip specs
Dec 25 18:26:19 <LuciusMare> why didnot nokia include it?
Dec 25 18:27:00 <swc|666> host mode driver? dunno, time issue prolly .. otg? politics/time me thinks
Dec 25 18:27:10 <LuciusMare> meh
Dec 25 18:27:17 <LuciusMare> and the hardware?
Dec 25 18:27:26 <swc|666> ?
Dec 25 18:27:28 <LuciusMare> is it all on the chip or "it is nokia
Dec 25 18:27:32 <LuciusMare> s fault" ?
Dec 25 18:27:35 <Vengeful> in the meantime that monday will show up i'm trying to enable the off mode
Dec 25 18:27:45 <Vengeful> someone here knows how to do it?
Dec 25 18:27:55 <TomaszD> evening
Dec 25 18:28:06 <Vengeful> i already installed the app for root-ing
Dec 25 18:28:24 <RST38h> EHLO TomaszD
Dec 25 18:28:31 <LuciusMare> what off mode?
Dec 25 18:28:38 <TomaszD> 'lo RST38h
Dec 25 18:28:45 <Vengeful> "Running "echo 0 > /sys/power/enable_off_mode" seems to have stopped the reboots, I'm going to wait for an update as opposed to sending it back."
Dec 25 18:28:49 <Vengeful> it says in the forums
Dec 25 18:28:59 <Vengeful> but there is another permanent way to set it
Dec 25 18:29:15 <MohammadAG> kernel parameters
Dec 25 18:29:29 <kontio> Hi, I try to port a SDL game to fremantle, now I try to start it with osso_games_startup, the plugin seems to be ok and the osso_games_startup starts, but it seems that it does not emit any dbus call to launch the sdl game, and I also can't exit the osso_games_startup... I use the crazyparking game as example... any hints what could be wrong if the osso-game-startup can't be closed?
Dec 25 18:29:42 <TomaszD> nice, new gpodder and fmradio graduated to extras
Dec 25 18:29:57 <RST38h> So was supposed to do ColEm
Dec 25 18:30:07 <RST38h> Still not there though, and can't contact X-Fade either
Dec 25 18:30:59 * RST38h considers fixing XChat and packaging it with some sane set of settings
Dec 25 18:31:43 * thresh considers it crazy
Dec 25 18:31:50 <RST38h> why?
Dec 25 18:32:10 <thresh> who needs xchat when there is irssi
Dec 25 18:32:21 * thresh is in a trolling mood, guess why?
Dec 25 18:32:29 <thresh> riight, friday without a sip of beer.
Dec 25 18:32:30 <MohammadAG> I prefer xchat
Dec 25 18:32:37 <RST38h> irssi is for kids
Dec 25 18:32:43 * RST38h uses ircii
Dec 25 18:32:48 <MohammadAG> lol
Dec 25 18:33:28 <thresh> okay, nothing can beat that
Dec 25 18:33:44 <RST38h> telnet to 6667 port can
Dec 25 18:33:50 <thresh> well probably telnet which was used by that finnish guy who made the irc
Dec 25 18:33:51 <mza> BitchX-1.1-final+ by panasync - FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE-p14
Dec 25 18:34:02 <thresh> mza: bitchx is based on ircii, isnt it?
Dec 25 18:34:16 <mza> something like that
Dec 25 18:34:20 <mza> it's a piece of bloated shit
Dec 25 18:34:25 <RST38h> BitchX is that eleet version of ircii sick with color diarrhea?
Dec 25 18:34:47 <mza> im just to lazy to setup irssi to get on this server
Dec 25 18:34:54 <mza> epic before irssi
Dec 25 18:35:04 <mza> epic was the shit
Dec 25 18:35:08 * thresh still remembers issues with letter 'ж' coming out everywhere with bitchx
Dec 25 18:35:29 <hrw|n900> hi
Dec 25 18:35:36 <Stskeeps> hi hrw
Dec 25 18:35:53 <mza> so how many people got N900's for christmas?
Dec 25 18:36:08 <mza> prolly a pretty steady stream
Dec 25 18:36:17 <mza> "OMG HOW DO I GETS R00T"
Dec 25 18:36:35 <ml-N900> not really
Dec 25 18:36:45 <mza> well that's good
Dec 25 18:36:47 <hrw|n900> hi
Dec 25 18:36:54 <RST38h> ehlo hrw
Dec 25 18:37:03 <hrw|n900> did new fw got released?
Dec 25 18:37:24 <thresh> nope
Dec 25 18:37:27 <thresh> those lazy finns.
Dec 25 18:37:28 <hrw|n900> ok
Dec 25 18:37:42 <hrw|n900> which ver fw1.1 has?
Dec 25 18:37:43 <mza> ive seen ppl tweet about putting it on their devices
Dec 25 18:38:03 <RST38h> hrw: only to a bunch of happy people
Dec 25 18:38:07 <thresh> and i can tweet about it, too
Dec 25 18:38:10 <RST38h> hrw: and it is 51-1
Dec 25 18:38:15 <thresh> but that's tweeter.
Dec 25 18:38:41 <RST38h> Blogger, shut your tweeter
Dec 25 18:43:17 <LoCusF> does anyone know of a project that uses cmake and cdbs?
Dec 25 18:43:29 <RST38h> why?
Dec 25 18:43:30 <LoCusF> http://code.google.com/p/corsix-th/ <- trying to make a package of this :)
Dec 25 18:43:57 <Stskeeps> LoCusF: i think there was a maemo-developers discussion about cmake recently
Dec 25 18:43:58 <LoCusF> no debian packaging but uses CMake and its binaries work 100% on N900
Dec 25 18:44:16 <LoCusF> Stskeeps: mailing list?
Dec 25 18:44:17 <Stskeeps> cdbs is always fun on scratchbox :P
Dec 25 18:44:21 <Stskeeps> LoCusF: yeah
Dec 25 18:45:58 <LoCusF> hmm, I wish there was a search function for that :)
Dec 25 18:46:36 <Stskeeps> google :P
Dec 25 18:47:12 <LoCusF> yeah trying that now :)
Dec 25 18:49:24 <mza> someone please develope a carddav and caldav client, thx
Dec 25 18:49:37 <mza> or add it to the existing calendar and address book apps:)
Dec 25 18:50:08 <mza> would make the N900 perfect for people in a mac business enviornment
Dec 25 18:50:13 <mza> like me!
Dec 25 18:52:03 <Shapeshifter> What would you suggest would be the best way to write apps that basically run as a proxy to web sites. E.g. I'm thinking of writing sort of an "app" for wolfram alpha. Would you think just making a custom css to use with the browser would be the best solutions? Because sometimes I don't really see the point int extra apps if there already is a website.
Dec 25 18:52:27 <Shapeshifter> though I already wrote a small app just for our club to control some stuff which also had a web interface and I just used curl
Dec 25 18:57:19 <LuciusMare> hi
Dec 25 18:57:24 <LuciusMare> i wanted to download mplayer
Dec 25 18:57:31 <LuciusMare> but i dont know what file
Dec 25 18:57:35 <LuciusMare> https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=54&release_id=1643
Dec 25 18:57:56 <LuciusMare> i have got n900
Dec 25 18:58:28 <hrw> re
Dec 25 18:58:30 <hrw> RST38h: thx
Dec 25 18:59:38 <hrw> RST38h: 51 week sounds good
Dec 25 18:59:50 <LuciusMare> anyone? :(
Dec 25 19:00:33 <hrw> LuciusMare: iirc mplayer is in one of extras repos
Dec 25 19:00:57 * hrw wants stable xchat for maemo5
Dec 25 19:00:59 <LuciusMare> hrw: i want to download it manually,from big box
Dec 25 19:01:00 <davyg> is there some french people having universal mobile operator ?
Dec 25 19:01:07 <hrw> current one is not stable at all
Dec 25 19:01:14 <LuciusMare> because i ran off my limit on the tablet
Dec 25 19:01:14 <hrw> LuciusMare: then no idea
Dec 25 19:01:23 <RST38h> hrw: Well, I intend to fix that coredump and repackage it
Dec 25 19:01:35 <hrw> RST38h: cool
Dec 25 19:04:05 <MohammadAG> LuciusMare, https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1912/mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.18.n800_armel.deb
Dec 25 19:04:19 <LuciusMare> but thats for n800
Dec 25 19:04:21 <MohammadAG> hold on
Dec 25 19:04:25 <LuciusMare> i am not even sure if it is optified
Dec 25 19:04:26 <MohammadAG> yeah I realized that
Dec 25 19:04:27 <MohammadAG> sec
Dec 25 19:04:43 <MohammadAG> isn't it a command line player?
Dec 25 19:04:51 <MohammadAG> sorry but I don't have my N900 yet
Dec 25 19:05:33 <Shapeshifter> oh btw, just a quick question, how do you people tab complete on the command line? there's no tab key, right?
Dec 25 19:05:37 <Shapeshifter> (don't have one yet)
Dec 25 19:05:50 <MohammadAG> sec I'll check the repos LuciusMare
Dec 25 19:06:23 <MohammadAG> LuciusMare, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/m/mplayer/mplayer_1.0svn2_armel.deb
Dec 25 19:08:34 <MohammadAG> LuciusMare, so did it work
Dec 25 19:10:06 <fnordianslippers> Ctrl+i does tab completiom for me
Dec 25 19:10:51 <LuciusMare> lemme test it
Dec 25 19:13:08 <LuciusMare> i hope it is optified
Dec 25 19:14:53 <squidd> hei, I'm trying to add alt to xterm bar, what is that in "keys"?
Dec 25 19:15:50 <MohammadAG> so then, anyone tried my tutorial http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/nokia-n900/32770-how-use-n900-portrait-mode-glitch.html ?
Dec 25 19:16:06 <RST38h> Anyone can tell me how to enable core dumps?
Dec 25 19:16:22 <RST38h> I seem to be unable to make 42-11 drop a coredump
Dec 25 19:17:36 <cehteh> RST38h: see /etc/rcS
Dec 25 19:18:59 <RST38h> What am I looking for?
Dec 25 19:20:25 <thresh> sysctl kernel.core_pattern=core
Dec 25 19:20:28 <thresh> ulimit -c unlimited
Dec 25 19:20:30 <RST38h> thanks
Dec 25 19:20:31 <thresh> i guess that's enogh
Dec 25 19:20:33 <thresh> enough
Dec 25 19:20:46 <RST38h> no sysctl
Dec 25 19:20:59 <GAN900> RST38h, NITRO may be another optiob
Dec 25 19:21:01 <GAN900> RST38h, NITRO may be another option
Dec 25 19:21:15 <RST38h> No nitro here
Dec 25 19:21:37 <LuciusMare_n900> it is not optified
Dec 25 19:21:38 <tru_> anyone have a open auth implementation for the n900?
Dec 25 19:22:02 <LuciusMare_n900> took seven percent of my rootfs
Dec 25 19:22:13 <thresh> ulimit should be enough then
Dec 25 19:22:23 <LuciusMare_n900> meh
Dec 25 19:23:13 <LuciusMare_n900> ulimit does not allowalso  the other apps to write to /
Dec 25 19:23:23 <RST38h> ulimit already done
Dec 25 19:23:26 <RST38h> still no core
Dec 25 19:23:32 <LuciusMare_n900> nvm
Dec 25 19:23:45 <thresh> where are you trying to look for them?
Dec 25 19:23:59 <LuciusMare_n900> thought you're talkong to me
Dec 25 19:24:44 <RST38h> MyDocs/core-dumps
Dec 25 19:40:47 <RST38h> Ok, I have found where it OKs the setup in XChat
Dec 25 19:42:43 <squidd> any help regarding adding alt to xterm keybar
Dec 25 19:42:55 <squidd> missing what i should add to keylist
Dec 25 19:43:03 <squidd> keys
Dec 25 19:43:33 <RST38h> Ok, what is maemo-launcher-app and why XChat build needs it???
Dec 25 19:45:15 <Stskeeps> RST38h: to save mem
Dec 25 19:45:16 <Stskeeps> and speed up boot of it
Dec 25 19:46:52 <hrw> ~hail jebba for his tips/tricks on his maemo wiki page
Dec 25 19:46:53 <squidd> 4444
Dec 25 19:46:56 <LuciusMare_n900> i want to get maemo-optify, but it depends on dpkg-dev,where can i get that for fremantle?
Dec 25 19:47:11 <RST38h> Stskeeps: But...how do I build XChat without maemo-launcher-app?
Dec 25 19:47:48 * infobot bows down to jebba for his tips/tricks on his maemo wiki page and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
Dec 25 19:49:21 <LuciusMare_n900> please?
Dec 25 19:49:37 <LuciusMare_n900> do i need to compile it?
Dec 25 19:56:02 <ruskie> squidd, hmm haven't found that myself... I tried meta but didn't seem to pickup on it
Dec 25 19:56:17 <squidd> ya, i tried that too but didnt work :(
Dec 25 19:58:26 <MohammadAG> LuciusMare_n900, just get it off the repositories
Dec 25 19:58:46 <MohammadAG> and I'm not sure but maemo-optify might be intended to be used on the SDK and not the device itself
Dec 25 19:58:58 <ruskie> or on debs
Dec 25 19:59:04 <LuciusMare_n900> MohammadAG: thats the problem
Dec 25 19:59:09 <LuciusMare_n900> its not there
Dec 25 19:59:13 <ruskie> it is
Dec 25 19:59:21 <ruskie> you're just missing repos
Dec 25 19:59:47 <LuciusMare_n900> ~ $ apt-cache search dpkg-dev
Dec 25 19:59:48 <LuciusMare_n900> dpkg - Debian package management system
Dec 25 19:59:48 <LuciusMare_n900> ~ $
Dec 25 19:59:50 <infobot> $ is, like, a dollar sign
Dec 25 19:59:50 <MohammadAG> just open up xterm and type apt-get install dpkg-dev
Dec 25 19:59:52 <LuciusMare_n900> oh
Dec 25 20:00:05 <LuciusMare_n900> heh
Dec 25 20:00:35 <BabelO> ~lart infobot
Dec 25 20:00:36 * infobot forces babelo to use Outlook Express
Dec 25 20:00:43 <BabelO> ahhhh beurk !
Dec 25 20:00:56 <MohammadAG> [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > apt-cache search dpkg-dev
Dec 25 20:00:56 <MohammadAG> dpkg - Debian package management system
Dec 25 20:00:56 <MohammadAG> dpkg-dev - Debian package development tools
Dec 25 20:01:04 <MohammadAG> it's there
Dec 25 20:01:14 <LuciusMare_n900> E: Package dpkg-dev has no installation candidate
Dec 25 20:01:16 <LuciusMare_n900> meh
Dec 25 20:01:16 <MohammadAG> same repos for X86 and ARMEL
Dec 25 20:01:22 <ukki> do i need to depend on maemo-optify or will it be in autobuilder by default?
Dec 25 20:01:24 <LuciusMare_n900> this is also funny
Dec 25 20:01:36 <ifreq> LuciusMare_n900: is there something you could actually do yourself by googling?
Dec 25 20:01:43 <ruskie> ukki, iirc autobuildur does maemo-optify-deb
Dec 25 20:01:47 <ifreq> as youve been here whole day and all the time endles row of qs? :)
Dec 25 20:01:52 <ruskie> by default
Dec 25 20:01:54 <MohammadAG> LuciusMare_n900, http://pastebin.com/d445ee3a3
Dec 25 20:02:04 <MohammadAG> check if you have those repos enabled
Dec 25 20:02:06 <LuciusMare_n900> /home/user # cat /etc/apt/sources.list
Dec 25 20:02:07 <LuciusMare_n900> /home/user #
Dec 25 20:02:13 <ukki> ruskie: so if i want to use it in debian/rules i need to depend on it?
Dec 25 20:02:22 <ruskie> naturally
Dec 25 20:02:26 <ukki> k, thanks
Dec 25 20:02:29 <ruskie> LuciusMare_n900, check: /etc/apt/sources.list.d
Dec 25 20:02:37 <ifreq> MohammadAG: i suggest not to give repos to ppl who may break something eventually
Dec 25 20:02:42 * RST38h is at loss
Dec 25 20:02:53 <RST38h> What do I do about this maemo-launcher-app thing???
Dec 25 20:02:58 <MohammadAG> ifreq, lol
Dec 25 20:03:12 <ifreq> MohammadAG: youll see :P
Dec 25 20:03:20 <ruskie> hmm ahh so this is the problem of modest+imap idle... simply doesn't do any notifications
Dec 25 20:03:40 <MohammadAG> ifreq, hope not, I don't want to tell someone how to flash a device again :p
Dec 25 20:03:42 <LuciusMare_n900> wow
Dec 25 20:03:57 <MohammadAG> but repos don't cause damage
Dec 25 20:03:58 <LuciusMare_n900> so, in what repositories is it?
Dec 25 20:04:02 <MohammadAG> if used properly :p
Dec 25 20:04:17 <MohammadAG> apt-cache search dpkg-dev ...
Dec 25 20:04:39 <LuciusMare_n900> it does not output it
Dec 25 20:04:41 <LuciusMare_n900> so, in what repositories is it?
Dec 25 20:05:25 <MohammadAG> ...
Dec 25 20:05:50 <LuciusMare_n900> want to see it again?
Dec 25 20:06:35 <MohammadAG> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/d/dpkg/dpkg-dev_1.14.25maemo2+0m5_all.deb there, happy?
Dec 25 20:06:47 <LuciusMare_n900> thanks
Dec 25 20:06:58 <LuciusMare_n900> wait
Dec 25 20:07:13 <LuciusMare_n900> it is in normal extras? O_o
Dec 25 20:07:24 <MohammadAG> ifreq, I see what you mean...
Dec 25 20:08:04 <MohammadAG> it's not in /extras
Dec 25 20:08:26 <LuciusMare_n900> then where?
Dec 25 20:09:00 <MohammadAG> http://repository.maemo.org/ call it whatever you want
Dec 25 20:09:06 <MohammadAG> (main?) repo
Dec 25 20:09:09 <MohammadAG> or sdk repo
Dec 25 20:09:13 <LuciusMare_n900> weird
Dec 25 20:09:19 <LuciusMare_n900> i am not trolling
Dec 25 20:09:54 <LuciusMare_n900> ~ $ apt-cache search dpkg-dev
Dec 25 20:09:55 <LuciusMare_n900> dpkg - Debian package management system
Dec 25 20:09:55 <LuciusMare_n900> ~ $
Dec 25 20:10:03 <infobot> $ is, like, a dollar sign
Dec 25 20:10:35 <LuciusMare_n900> lol
Dec 25 20:10:40 <MohammadAG> install the deb file :/
Dec 25 20:10:50 <LuciusMare_n900> and my enabled repos
Dec 25 20:10:54 <LuciusMare_n900> ~ $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
Dec 25 20:10:55 <LuciusMare_n900> deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/apps/ ./
Dec 25 20:10:55 <LuciusMare_n900> deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/003 ./
Dec 25 20:10:55 <LuciusMare_n900> deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free
Dec 25 20:11:00 <LuciusMare_n900> which is just weird
Dec 25 20:11:48 <ruskie> are you doing this ON the device?
Dec 25 20:11:58 <LuciusMare_n900> yes
Dec 25 20:12:20 <MohammadAG> LuciusMare_n900, I'm assuming you've never used linux before
Dec 25 20:12:27 <LuciusMare_n900> i do...
Dec 25 20:12:42 * RST38h found the magic apt-get install line
Dec 25 20:12:50 <LuciusMare_n900> i am running debian on my desktop
Dec 25 20:12:53 <ruskie> http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk and http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools are the two that would have it but I wouldn't recommend doing this on the device SERIOUSLY
Dec 25 20:12:53 <MohammadAG> err, do you only use the GUI part of it?
Dec 25 20:13:04 <LuciusMare_n900> no...
Dec 25 20:13:17 <MohammadAG> then add the repos!
Dec 25 20:13:23 <MohammadAG> ruskie, pasted them, again
Dec 25 20:13:39 <LuciusMare_n900> why not on the device?
Dec 25 20:13:53 <ruskie> because those two aren't meant to be run on the device
Dec 25 20:14:01 <LuciusMare_n900> hm
Dec 25 20:14:35 <MohammadAG> LuciusMare_n900, <MohammadAG> and I'm not sure but maemo-optify might be intended to be used on the SDK and not the device itself
Dec 25 20:14:47 <ruskie> yes it is inteneded to be used on the SDK
Dec 25 20:14:48 <MohammadAG> + on*
Dec 25 20:14:50 <ruskie> or on a deb
Dec 25 20:15:03 <ruskie> you can run maemo-optify-deb file.db
Dec 25 20:15:06 <ruskie> erm file.deb
Dec 25 20:15:09 <ruskie> and it will optify it
Dec 25 20:16:05 <LuciusMare_n900> i am on planet windows right now,i have the only linux enabled device here.thats why i wanted to optify it on the device itelf
Dec 25 20:16:15 <ruskie> if you have the .deb
Dec 25 20:16:17 <ruskie> you can do it
Dec 25 20:16:35 <ruskie> just don't install anything else
Dec 25 20:16:39 <LuciusMare_n900> ay
Dec 25 20:16:39 <MohammadAG> <LuciusMare_n900> i am running debian on my desktop <-- contradictions...
Dec 25 20:16:48 <LuciusMare_n900> i...didnt...know...
Dec 25 20:17:05 <LuciusMare_n900> i thought i have to install it :/
Dec 25 20:17:17 <LuciusMare_n900> 5hanks then
Dec 25 20:17:38 * ruskie really dislikes optification
Dec 25 20:18:32 * LuciusMare_n900 really dislikes brickfilled device and full rootfs
Dec 25 20:18:40 <MohammadAG> ruskie, why?
Dec 25 20:18:49 <mikhas> because it is a hack
Dec 25 20:19:00 <ifreq> its just symlinking
Dec 25 20:19:01 <LuciusMare_n900> so what?
Dec 25 20:19:03 <ruskie> MohammadAG, because it makes absolutely no sense on a unix/unix-like system
Dec 25 20:19:04 <ifreq> i dont like it either
Dec 25 20:19:13 <ruskie> I'm happy that I repartitioned my n900 to have a 5gb /usr
Dec 25 20:19:21 <LuciusMare_n900> ruskie: rite
Dec 25 20:19:23 <LuciusMare_n900> ay
Dec 25 20:19:27 <mikhas> ruskie, I envy you =)
Dec 25 20:19:31 <LuciusMare_n900> yes, i cant repartition
Dec 25 20:19:35 <ruskie> mikhas, instructions on t.m.o
Dec 25 20:19:40 <mikhas> I know
Dec 25 20:19:40 <ruskie> LuciusMare_n900, why not?
Dec 25 20:19:41 <ifreq> im happy still to have enuff space even without partitioning / hacks
Dec 25 20:19:54 <ifreq> no need to install all stuff from repos anyways
Dec 25 20:20:03 <LuciusMare_n900> ruskie: because i dont know how
Dec 25 20:20:06 <ruskie> a less hacky solution would be using /usr/local/
Dec 25 20:20:06 <LuciusMare_n900> any guide?
Dec 25 20:20:13 <ruskie> LuciusMare_n900, as said... on t.m.o
Dec 25 20:20:20 <mikhas> but for testing the official images (and for spotting problems!) repartitioning is not the way to go, sadly
Dec 25 20:20:50 <LuciusMare_n900> wait,what offic images?
Dec 25 20:21:04 <mikhas> the ones currently powering your n900
Dec 25 20:21:08 <ruskie> still missing one tool though... a mailer switchboard that would let me pick the default mailer on the device
Dec 25 20:21:12 <LuciusMare_n900> :o
Dec 25 20:21:20 <LuciusMare_n900> anyway
Dec 25 20:21:27 <LuciusMare_n900> what is t.m.o. ?
Dec 25 20:21:33 <ruskie> talk.maemo.org
Dec 25 20:21:38 <LuciusMare_n900> oh
Dec 25 20:21:40 <LuciusMare_n900> thx
Dec 25 20:21:58 <LuciusMare_n900> i will have a look @ that
Dec 25 20:22:07 <LuciusMare_n900> goodbye for now
Dec 25 20:22:31 <MohammadAG> how long has he been on the IRC?
Dec 25 20:22:39 <mikhas> several times now?
Dec 25 20:22:39 <MohammadAG> +server*
Dec 25 20:22:45 <ruskie> mikhas, well I dislike it so much I even went and setup my own repo... nonoptified primarily :)
Dec 25 20:23:05 <mikhas> ruskie, that's commitment =)
Dec 25 20:23:09 <mikhas> melikes
Dec 25 20:23:29 <ruskie> still need to figure out how to do it better because it's painfull to do stuff manually so much
Dec 25 20:24:03 <mikhas> lol, dont tell me you have an maemo-unoptify ...
Dec 25 20:24:09 <ruskie> no
Dec 25 20:24:16 <ruskie> I rebuild stuff :)
Dec 25 20:24:22 <ruskie> though nothing from extras yet
Dec 25 20:24:29 <ruskie> I did plan a 2gb /opt just in case :)
Dec 25 20:26:17 <ruskie> so far I have working zsh, fcron(though the package lacks a few finer details), tinymail with imap idle support and modest built against it(both also latest HEAD), curl, xmms2, rsyslog, mpg123, tinc, libmpcdec, roxfiler
Dec 25 20:26:47 <mikhas> rsyslog ... handy
Dec 25 20:27:13 <ruskie> not installed yet though
Dec 25 20:28:10 <hrw> fresh tinymail+modest would be nice to have
Dec 25 20:28:16 <hrw> 42-11 ones are not usable
Dec 25 20:28:44 <RST38h> you still hope there is going to be a working modest?
Dec 25 20:28:50 <ruskie> http://repo.codemages.net nonopt/
Dec 25 20:28:53 <ruskie> if you want to
Dec 25 20:29:20 <ruskie> can someone write a mailer switchboard that would do a similar thing that the browser one does but for mailto links?
Dec 25 20:29:36 <ruskie> I'd really like a working email client like alpine on my n900
Dec 25 20:29:38 <hrw> RST38h: rather not
Dec 25 20:30:11 <hrw> RST38h: I hope that working usable email client will arrive for maemo5 with ~20$ price max
Dec 25 20:30:26 <Stskeeps> RST38h: maemo-launcher-dev is the usual one to dep on
Dec 25 20:31:34 <hrw> RST38h: after days of using n900 I see one ugly thing - nokia software designers never used anything newer then nokia 5110/3210... and never even saw PDA/S60/WM devices
Dec 25 20:32:07 <RST38h> Sts: yes found it
Dec 25 20:32:12 <RST38h> hrw: that is not it
Dec 25 20:32:17 <hrw> no names for IM/Voip accounts, crappy Calendar imitation
Dec 25 20:32:46 <RST38h> hrw: you have got a bunch of highly dogmatic UI people who do not seem to listen to feedback
Dec 25 20:32:46 <ruskie> erm no names?
Dec 25 20:32:48 <RST38h> that's all
Dec 25 20:33:04 <pwnguin> i kinda wish the calendar app supported adding webdav calendars
Dec 25 20:33:06 <richardha> Get windows keys for 5eur only http://bit.ly/5Tgz2X :)
Dec 25 20:33:10 <hrw> apps lacks common look - IM/SMS view uses emoticons, IM/SMS list do not
Dec 25 20:33:10 <ruskie> what names?
Dec 25 20:33:20 <hrw> ruskie: add 2 SIP accounts
Dec 25 20:33:37 <ruskie> and that will give me what?
Dec 25 20:33:39 <hrw> what you get? "call by SIP" + "call by SIP"?
Dec 25 20:33:59 <richardha> Get windows keys for 5eur only http://bit.ly/5Tgz2X :)
Dec 25 20:33:59 <ruskie> ahh
Dec 25 20:34:08 <hrw> I want "Call by Tlenofon" + "call by Betamax"
Dec 25 20:34:18 <MohammadAG> is richardha a bot
Dec 25 20:34:26 <MohammadAG> nvm then :p
Dec 25 20:35:02 <hrw> ruskie: same for "work jabber" + "private jabber"
Dec 25 20:35:41 <ruskie> hmm I'd use a jabber2jabber transport for that
Dec 25 20:36:18 <hrw> ruskie: why? I want to be able to easily see who is from which list and to disable/enable work one on vacations with 2 clicks
Dec 25 20:36:37 <ruskie> I hate the lack of priority and ability to pick a resource on jabber to send to
Dec 25 20:36:56 <ruskie> so just don't connect to the jabber2jabber transport :)
Dec 25 20:37:01 <hrw> I hate lot of things in maemo5
Dec 25 20:37:29 <pwnguin> hrw: question: which phone does SIP accounts right?
Dec 25 20:37:33 <hrw> will have to write a blog post about it in 2010
Dec 25 20:38:13 <hrw> pwnguin: so far used two - s60 one which allows me to select one voip account to connect at time and maemo5 one which does not show me which one is which
Dec 25 20:38:33 <ruskie> I wish I could add my work sip account to the n900
Dec 25 20:38:37 <ruskie> but apparently I can't
Dec 25 20:38:44 <ruskie> I could add it on the S60 phone though
Dec 25 20:38:56 <ruskie> can't add it with something like twinkle as well
Dec 25 20:39:31 <Arkenoi> iirc betamax sucks.
Dec 25 20:39:43 <hrw> Arkenoi: it does, i used it as an example
Dec 25 20:39:56 <ruskie> I only have one... ekiga.net and I don't use it all that much anyway
Dec 25 20:40:30 <wazd_n800> reheya
Dec 25 20:40:57 <hrw> re wazd
Dec 25 20:42:29 <hrw> ok time for me
Dec 25 20:42:36 <hrw> have a nice rest of xmas
Dec 25 20:43:39 <ruskie> same
Dec 25 21:02:13 * bongo|kup is checking _the_ orangebox thread
Dec 25 21:02:22 <bongo|kup> with a glas of wine
Dec 25 21:03:11 <bongo|kup> very amusing
Dec 25 21:11:14 <flux> hm, I'm following instructions from: http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4_Hildon#Building_Qt_from_GIT_rep - but the step "git checkout -b 4.5 origin/4.5
Dec 25 21:11:41 <flux> " fails. any suggestions? the error message is "fatal: git checkout: updating paths is incompatible with switching branches/forcing Did you intend to checkout 'origin/4.6' which can not be resolved as commit?"
Dec 25 21:18:20 <adeus> looks like a weird instruction
Dec 25 21:18:37 <adeus> I don't see a 4.5 branch in gitorious
Dec 25 21:18:49 <adeus> and even if it did, the next step checks out another branch
Dec 25 21:26:51 <flux> ok. I know only the very basics of git. thanks! I'll try if it works :)
Dec 25 21:27:00 <adeus> so
Dec 25 21:27:08 <adeus> I'd say just skip the step
Dec 25 21:29:01 <adeus> is there some reason you need to compile Qt in the first place?
Dec 25 21:35:10 <flux> the website suggests the git version is much more up-to-date
Dec 25 21:36:36 <flux> actually maybe this phrase is a bit old: "To get the benefits of the ongoing Maemo 5 hildon integration work in Qt, you must get the latest Qt source code and compile it yourself. See Building Qt from GIT repository.
Dec 25 21:36:40 <flux> "
Dec 25 21:36:42 <flux> at http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4Hildon#Overriding_the_Qt_Maemo_changes
Dec 25 21:43:18 <adeus> I've been quite content with the debs
Dec 25 21:43:34 <adeus> maybe I'll have to look into what's actually different
Dec 25 21:45:58 <adeus> I would guess not that much as they're probably starting to push for 4.6
Dec 25 22:28:40 <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
Dec 25 22:28:59 <SpeedEvil> microb could do with 'hmm you seem to have crashed, would you like me to resume your windows' ?
Dec 25 22:30:43 <aspidites> SpeedEvil: a la firefox? there is always fennec
Dec 25 22:31:00 <aspidites> though i do agree that would be a nice ported feature
Dec 25 22:31:36 <redeeman> SpeedEvil: does microb crash for you?
Dec 25 22:31:46 <ShadowJK> mine crashes with the history thing
Dec 25 22:31:56 <redeeman> weird
Dec 25 22:32:11 <redeeman> probably mine is ALOT more stable due to me having disabled flash crap
Dec 25 22:32:13 <aspidites> mine was only crashing while using testing/devel repos. do you guys have those enabled by chance?
Dec 25 22:32:20 <ShadowJK> Like, I tap back or do the back gesture, and get the history view, but then I often am too impatient to wait for it to display the history, so I ctrl-backspace away to do something else while waiting for it, and when I come back then, it crashes
Dec 25 22:32:24 <SpeedEvil> redeeman: For values of crash that inclde powering off the device as i forgot my charger.
Dec 25 22:32:48 <SpeedEvil> I've never had it actually crash as such.
Dec 25 22:32:59 <ShadowJK> seems it doesn't like losing focus while in the middle of finding/drawing/rendering history view
Dec 25 22:37:50 <RST38h> "Storm 360 sends best wishes this Xmas to all Nigerians young and old."
Dec 25 22:38:00 * RST38h feels nigerian tonight
Dec 25 22:38:42 * SpeedEvil wants a nice nigerian to feel.
Dec 25 22:38:57 <RST38h> Sorry, I have deleted the email already
Dec 25 22:53:49 <Sir_Lancelot> Hi folks
Dec 25 22:54:00 <Sir_Lancelot> Soo much silence in here
Dec 25 22:54:19 <fredrin> christmas
Dec 25 22:54:28 <Sir_Lancelot> Dont tell me that you're all playing around with pre 1.1
Dec 25 22:54:31 <Sir_Lancelot> Eheehehe
Dec 25 22:54:58 * fredrin is hoping for a report from someone
Dec 25 22:55:00 * SpeedEvil is reflashing in a bit.
Dec 25 22:55:16 <SpeedEvil> Thoguh I'm looking for pre-1.1 if more testers needed
Dec 25 22:55:21 <fredrin> SpeedEvil: I'll be on the n900 boat on monday
Dec 25 22:55:35 <fredrin> got a HTC Hero for christmas, but i'll switch it
Dec 25 22:56:16 <fredrin> I'm wondering how i'll put my Neo into good use
Dec 25 22:59:43 <ManuelSE> listen to hoppe
Dec 25 23:00:05 <ManuelSE> hans-hermann hoppe
Dec 25 23:00:41 <SpeedEvil> I'm contemplating an ignominious fate for my neo1973.
Dec 25 23:00:48 <SpeedEvil> A microwave oven controller.
Dec 25 23:03:23 <zash> SpeedEvil: :O
Dec 25 23:03:33 <SpeedEvil> But.
Dec 25 23:03:38 <SpeedEvil> It's not being used.
Dec 25 23:03:59 <SpeedEvil> I don't imagine actually using it for 'proper' stuff in the future.
Dec 25 23:04:12 <SpeedEvil> And I have this huge nice stainless microwave with a broken controller module.
Dec 25 23:04:33 <SpeedEvil> With some added sensors it could do cool stuff.
Dec 25 23:04:52 <SpeedEvil> Like 'evaporate 200ml'
Dec 25 23:05:16 <zash> With soe added robot arms it could make ANYTHING!
Dec 25 23:05:33 <SpeedEvil> which with a covered dish - you ramp the power till you get to the point at which it starts to emit steam, and then add enough power to boil off 200ml/h
Dec 25 23:05:36 <fredrin> or make it be a sms central or something
Dec 25 23:06:03 <fredrin> or gps stalking thing, mount it somewhere and make it send sms with locatioin
Dec 25 23:06:27 <zash> sms to im-gateway!
Dec 25 23:06:41 <SpeedEvil> Or add a webcam, and when the bread inside it rises to a peak, turn on microwave for 5 mins to set loaf, then bake at 220C for n minutes.
Dec 25 23:07:07 <zash> SpeedEvil: or make it control a rc helicopter
Dec 25 23:07:11 <zash> and give it a AI
Dec 25 23:09:48 <SpeedEvil> I don't have a RC helicopter, and it doesn''t really suit for my ducted fan vectored thrust vehicle.
Dec 25 23:10:20 * zash has a lama in the basement
Dec 25 23:22:11 <gjujetedfg> test
Dec 25 23:22:17 <gjujetedfg> test
Dec 25 23:22:44 <cehteh> works
Dec 25 23:22:58 <joppu> yey, ignoring JOINS,PARTS,QUITS,NICKS
Dec 25 23:47:55 <cehteh> ehm whats wrong when devices connected to the same accesspoint cant ping each other?
Dec 25 23:48:08 <cehteh> (ip via dhcp)
Dec 25 23:50:51 <ThornBird> Hi all
Dec 25 23:51:34 <cehteh> hi
Dec 25 23:51:47 <Sir_Lancelot> Hi threre
Dec 25 23:52:52 <bongo|kup> hi
Dec 26 00:00:43 <joppu> cehteh: do you have NAT enabled?
Dec 26 00:01:21 <cehteh> accesspoint (bridge!) not router
Dec 26 00:03:09 <joppu> uhm..
Dec 26 00:03:51 <cehteh> n900 doesntrespond to ping .. but other connects like ssh dont work either
Dec 26 00:04:45 <joppu> does a bridge even allow local area networking?
Dec 26 00:05:08 <joppu> doesn't it connect the devices directly to the internet?
Dec 26 00:05:44 <cehteh> sure .. should be the same network segement or?
Dec 26 00:05:52 <cehteh> (netmask is correct)
Dec 26 00:06:28 <joppu> I don't know that much about networking :(
Dec 26 00:11:34 <bongo|kup> good night
Dec 26 00:19:41 <villager> cehteh: perhaps the ap doesn't like the n900's wlan powersaving mode, I know mine doesn't
Dec 26 00:20:33 <cehteh> i had problems with turning powersaving to maximum yes .. but with moderate it works
Dec 26 00:20:33 <cehteh> well so far
Dec 26 00:20:33 <cehteh> lemme try turning it off
Dec 26 00:20:39 <SpeedEvil> Today I doubled the size of my wlan compatibility survey.
Dec 26 00:20:50 <SpeedEvil> My n900 works fine with 2 routers.
Dec 26 00:21:31 <villager> cehteh: yes moderate works for me when doing internet stuff on the n900, but when the n900 becomes idle it becomes unreachable until I do somethiing on the n900 again
Dec 26 00:21:43 <cehteh> i have a very old dlink dwl-2000AP+
Dec 26 00:22:05 <cehteh> this crap piece dont want to die
Dec 26 00:22:06 <villager> with powersaving off it's reachable all the time
Dec 26 00:22:47 <cehteh> ssh root@10.20.40.100
Dec 26 00:22:47 <cehteh> ssh: connect to host 10.20.40.100 port 22: No route to host
Dec 26 00:22:50 <cehteh> negative
Dec 26 00:23:11 <villager> do something internet-ish on it to make sure the ap knows it's there
Dec 26 00:24:22 <villager> if that doesn't work, I'm not sure what else could be wrong
Dec 26 00:24:31 <cehteh> i can ssh from my laptop to my desktop and from there to the n900
Dec 26 00:24:40 <cehteh> and i can ssh to from n900 to my desktop
Dec 26 00:24:48 <cehteh> but i cant ssh between laptop and n900
Dec 26 00:25:48 <cehteh> and not from n900 to laptop
Dec 26 00:28:48 <villager> sounds like a crappy ap
Dec 26 00:29:38 <villager> perhaps you need to enable something in the ap
Dec 26 00:29:56 <cehteh> didnt found anything
Dec 26 00:30:26 <cehteh> never buy dlink crap ..
Dec 26 00:30:39 <cehteh> well this one is from 2003 or so
Dec 26 00:30:42 <cehteh> maybe even older
Dec 26 00:31:42 <cehteh> lemme restart the ap.. maybe that helps
Dec 26 00:32:32 <cehteh> ah ..
Dec 26 00:32:39 <cehteh> found a button!
Dec 26 00:32:47 <cehteh> Client security :
Dec 26 00:32:47 <cehteh> 	Enabled Disabled
Dec 26 00:32:49 <cehteh> :)
Dec 26 00:32:55 <cehteh> lets see if that makes sense
Dec 26 00:33:36 <n900evil> is there a way to make simple brightness applet go much dimmer?
Dec 26 00:33:58 <n900evil> in absolute dark too bright
Dec 26 00:34:02 <oscillik> you could take your battery out
Dec 26 00:34:04 <oscillik> :p
Dec 26 00:34:05 <oscillik> :)
Dec 26 00:34:22 <cehteh> n900evil: if you find a way please tell
Dec 26 00:34:26 * n900evil sighs.
Dec 26 00:34:50 <n900evil> source - but too lazy
Dec 26 00:35:13 <n900evil> would also be neat if it did kbd leds
Dec 26 00:36:20 <cehteh> n900evil: look at /etc/mce/mce.ini there are some control things for the keyboard leds too
Dec 26 00:37:56 * cehteh had his first n900 tweaking experience earlier .. turning the power on blink to purple, keep charging led lit while display is on and turn the vibrator of for emails
Dec 26 00:42:46 <n900evil> st:/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm# echo 2 >brightness
Dec 26 00:42:52 <n900evil> I know. lazy
Dec 26 00:43:20 <Vengeful> ok
Dec 26 00:43:36 <Vengeful> it seems that the off mode workaround
Dec 26 00:43:39 <Vengeful> do work indeed
Dec 26 00:44:01 <Vengeful> it's not random rebooting anymore... i think... at least :D
Dec 26 00:44:12 <MohammadAG> Vengeful, what's the command again?
Dec 26 00:44:21 <crashanddie> reboot
Dec 26 00:44:29 <crashanddie> or halt -r
Dec 26 00:44:46 <MohammadAG> to turn on "off mode"...
Dec 26 00:44:51 <Vengeful> echo 0 > /sys/power/enable_off_mode
Dec 26 00:44:55 <Vengeful> this one is temporary
Dec 26 00:44:56 <Vengeful> but
Dec 26 00:45:02 <Vengeful> if i do:
Dec 26 00:45:11 <MohammadAG> kernel parametres can set it to permanent right?
Dec 26 00:45:11 <Vengeful> cat /sys/power/enable_off_mode
Dec 26 00:45:22 <Vengeful> returns 1 always
Dec 26 00:45:28 <Vengeful> so the temp mode for me didn't work
Dec 26 00:45:33 <Vengeful> i had to download rootsh
Dec 26 00:45:41 <MohammadAG> and it worked?
Dec 26 00:45:44 <Vengeful> sudo gainroot
Dec 26 00:45:50 <Vengeful> and edited the file with vi
Dec 26 00:45:54 <Vengeful> yes it seems
Dec 26 00:45:57 <MohammadAG> oh
Dec 26 00:45:58 <Vengeful> but
Dec 26 00:46:04 <Vengeful> marble doesn't work anymore
Dec 26 00:46:24 <MohammadAG> what's that?
Dec 26 00:46:25 <Vengeful> i dunno if it's related to this or something else i installed from the catalog
Dec 26 00:46:39 <Vengeful> marble is a game built in the firmware
Dec 26 00:46:46 <Vengeful> so i can't delete it...
Dec 26 00:46:52 <MohammadAG> oh, sorry but I don't have my N900 yet
Dec 26 00:47:03 <MohammadAG> have you tried R&D mode?
Dec 26 00:47:22 <Vengeful> nope, i just did a 4 or 5 reflash
Dec 26 00:47:58 <Vengeful> i got stuck in the way of trying different tricks every time
Dec 26 00:48:51 <MohammadAG> http://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode
Dec 26 00:49:07 <MohammadAG> just wondering if this would help no-lifeguard-reset - Disables the lifeguard process (lifeguard reboots the device when an important system process crashes).
Dec 26 00:49:26 <MohammadAG> or these # o-omap-wd - Disables the watchdog on the OMAP processor.
Dec 26 00:49:26 <MohammadAG> # no-retu-wd - Disables the watchdog on retu.
Dec 26 00:49:50 <Vengeful> oh
Dec 26 00:49:56 <cehteh> MohammadAG: if any watchdog reboots the device then likely for some purpose
Dec 26 00:49:58 <Vengeful> yes i got the 32wd_to
Dec 26 00:50:20 <cehteh> if this is ill then something is defect .. in soft or hardware
Dec 26 00:50:22 <Vengeful> but we don't know if it does on purpose or on bug :D
Dec 26 00:50:42 <Vengeful> so u suggest to claim a replace?
Dec 26 00:50:56 <Vengeful> even if i got it running with the workaround?
Dec 26 00:50:57 <MohammadAG> cehteh, I know, but if it's a bug, then it shouldn't be a problem
Dec 26 00:51:18 <MohammadAG> you shouldn't be doing workarounds to get something to work ;)
Dec 26 00:51:27 <cehteh> well i had few reboots after lockups .. and dont really want to miss them
Dec 26 00:51:29 <Vengeful> on tested products... yes
Dec 26 00:51:43 <cehteh> otherwise this means taking out the battery and pray that the filesystem stays intact
Dec 26 00:52:21 <MohammadAG> one question: can the filesystem be converted to ext3?
Dec 26 00:52:30 <cehteh> btw anyone had such a crazy idea like raid0 emmc and micosd?
Dec 26 00:52:35 <MohammadAG> I know the cam app wouldn't work, but isn't it possible
Dec 26 00:52:37 <cehteh> MohammadAG: yes, with some efforts
Dec 26 00:52:55 <MohammadAG> ty
Dec 26 00:53:12 <Vengeful> a linux noob question
Dec 26 00:53:24 <Vengeful> can i browse my win servers files
Dec 26 00:53:27 <Vengeful> from the n900?
Dec 26 00:53:35 <Vengeful> there is samba for it?
Dec 26 00:54:41 <MohammadAG> if there's a build for armel and it's in .deb format you can install that
Dec 26 00:54:52 <MohammadAG> provided the UI works with the N900 (GTK)
Dec 26 00:55:00 <Vengeful> which i really dunno :D
Dec 26 00:55:17 <MohammadAG> and neither do i :p
Dec 26 00:55:29 <MohammadAG> I'll check the debian packages site
Dec 26 00:56:37 <angasule> hmm, how much does the N810 go for these days, used?
Dec 26 00:57:45 <MohammadAG> http://packages.debian.org/stable/samba Vengeful
Dec 26 00:58:00 <MohammadAG> not sure if it'd work, but it doesn't hurt to try :)
Dec 26 00:58:04 <MohammadAG> there is an armel build
Dec 26 00:58:16 <MohammadAG> just make sure you download the needed dependencies
Dec 26 00:59:06 <angasule> I got offered an N810 for 240 USD, I'm wondering if that's cheap these days
Dec 26 00:59:40 <cehteh> will be much cheaper in a few months
Dec 26 00:59:57 <cehteh> when the n900 drops a lot and is avaliable without problems
Dec 26 01:00:17 <angasule> but now 240 is ok?
Dec 26 01:00:41 <cehteh> i dont know ... i'd say depends more if you want to pay it
Dec 26 01:00:45 <ShadowJK> I think brand-new N810 was selling for less than that before it vanished
Dec 26 01:01:13 <cehteh> well here in germany they where more expensive
Dec 26 01:01:43 <cehteh> 240 sounds ok if it looks almost as new and not often used/ battery in good state
Dec 26 01:01:45 <ShadowJK> Well when they just came out they were 400-500E
Dec 26 01:01:59 <angasule> the battery is a standard model so I can buy another one, right?
Dec 26 01:02:02 <cehteh> if you have to pay $40 for a new battery then its prolly a bad deal
Dec 26 01:02:06 <Vengeful> well if you think about me shelling 600 euro
Dec 26 01:02:10 <Vengeful> for a faulty device...
Dec 26 01:02:12 <Vengeful> :D
Dec 26 01:02:15 <cehteh> yes .. but you have to add the price of a new battery
Dec 26 01:02:25 <angasule> Vengeful: bummer, N900 with a defect?
Dec 26 01:02:38 <Vengeful> random rebooting
Dec 26 01:02:43 <angasule> ouchies
Dec 26 01:02:47 <thresh> i'm selling it for about 210 USD in Russia
Dec 26 01:02:47 <Vengeful> i dunno if it has defects
Dec 26 01:02:52 <Vengeful> or is a sw problem
Dec 26 01:02:52 <thresh> with a spare battery and stuff
Dec 26 01:02:54 <ShadowJK> 2 year warranty in europe, get it fixed
Dec 26 01:02:55 <cehteh> btw ... i did a GPS test yesterday .. which was my biggiest fear that you dont get a fix without net
Dec 26 01:02:58 <angasule> thresh: I'm in Argentina, shipping would be a killer :D
Dec 26 01:02:58 <thresh> and yeah it's a good price
Dec 26 01:03:05 <ShadowJK> mine hasn't rebooted once
Dec 26 01:03:07 <thresh> well i'm not offering you one :)
Dec 26 01:03:07 <Vengeful> so i dunno if i have to replace it or no
Dec 26 01:03:13 <angasule> I'm getting it with an FM transmitter, car cradle and maybe some other stuff
Dec 26 01:03:16 <Vengeful> monday i'll call nokia
Dec 26 01:03:20 <thresh> i have already found a buyer
Dec 26 01:03:27 <angasule> I'm a map junkie, so I really want a GPS
Dec 26 01:03:40 <cehteh> if you keep some gps demanding app like maemo mapper open while you try then its not that bad i got a fix in about 5-10 minutes
Dec 26 01:03:45 <angasule> thresh: heh ok, plus Argentina has ridiculous taxes, over 60%
Dec 26 01:03:51 <cehteh> without network connection and never used gps before on that device
Dec 26 01:04:37 <angasule> how long does the battery last with GPS on? recording tracks
Dec 26 01:05:20 <cehteh> the n810 gps is really crap
Dec 26 01:05:30 <Vengeful> oh yeah battery...
Dec 26 01:05:38 <cehteh> all people i know who use it for mapping have a 2nddary bluetooth gps
Dec 26 01:05:45 <Vengeful> i would have more happier with a 1 centimeter more on phone
Dec 26 01:05:50 <Vengeful> with 3x battery lifetime
Dec 26 01:06:00 <angasule> Vengeful: same with me :D
Dec 26 01:06:02 <Vengeful> mine on n900 is ridiculously low
Dec 26 01:06:09 <ShadowJK> the N810 gps keeps tracking better than my sirfstarIII btgps
Dec 26 01:06:16 <Vengeful> and with the work around even less
Dec 26 01:06:17 <angasule> meh, family calls for dinner, I'll be back to annoy you all soonish :) thanks for the info so far
Dec 26 01:06:18 <ShadowJK> but it doesn't get unassisted first-lock as fast :)
Dec 26 01:06:32 <ShadowJK> luckily diablo brought a-gps to n810 so it's not much of a problem now..
Dec 26 01:06:34 <cehteh> mugen offers a 1800mAh battery .. not yet validated for the n900 iirc .. but standard size
Dec 26 01:07:10 <Vengeful> and the standard one is 1300?
Dec 26 01:07:18 <ShadowJK> It's not really 1800
Dec 26 01:07:33 <Vengeful> sure it isn't :D
Dec 26 01:07:43 <wnd> angasule, depends on actual use, but on n810 the battely lasts around six hours with gps on (give or take)
Dec 26 01:07:45 <cehteh> Vengeful: 1325 .. well printed on it who knows
Dec 26 01:08:07 <cehteh> ShadowJK: yeah .. but even if its 1600 its an improvement .. i just wait for tests
Dec 26 01:08:07 <ShadowJK> the mugen 1800mAh battery for N800 is 1200mAh :-)
Dec 26 01:08:07 * SpeedEvil offers a validation service for all n900 accessories. Just supply 5 items for evaluation.
Dec 26 01:08:26 <cehteh> never tested those
Dec 26 01:08:35 <SpeedEvil> It would be nice if you could hot-swap bats
Dec 26 01:08:42 <ShadowJK> the original N800 battery was about 2-3 years old when I replaced it, it held about 800 though, so the mugen battery felt like an improvement
Dec 26 01:09:03 <cehteh> SpeedEvil: stick in charge cable and rip out battery
Dec 26 01:09:19 <SpeedEvil> cehteh: yeah - I mean when there isn't a charge cable handy
Dec 26 01:09:21 <cehteh> does that work? or will the device powerdown?
Dec 26 01:09:21 <SpeedEvil> was at brothers toda
Dec 26 01:09:22 <SpeedEvil> y
Dec 26 01:09:27 <ShadowJK> cehteh, I doubt it will work
Dec 26 01:09:29 <SpeedEvil> he had no micro-b
Dec 26 01:09:34 <SpeedEvil> and that doesn't work IIRC I tried it
Dec 26 01:09:41 <cehteh> SpeedEvil: well i dont even know .. i search someone who wants to try
Dec 26 01:09:58 <cehteh> someone who gives a shit about filesystem because he wants to reflash
Dec 26 01:10:28 <wnd> looks like my longest run with gps on lasted 7.25 hours
Dec 26 01:10:37 <ShadowJK> Amusingly the Smartdevices SmartQ devices can hotswap batteries... BUT, the batteries are soldered on and not user replaceable.. that's kinda funny :-)
Dec 26 01:10:53 <cehteh> haha
Dec 26 01:11:01 <cehteh> hot as in soldering iron
Dec 26 01:11:07 <ShadowJK> :)
Dec 26 01:11:25 <Vengeful> uhm ok
Dec 26 01:11:30 <Vengeful> so i got my new n900
Dec 26 01:11:46 <Vengeful> and
Dec 26 01:11:51 * cehteh thinks about building a power source from bike dynamo
Dec 26 01:11:54 <Vengeful> i spent more time on diagnosis
Dec 26 01:12:01 <Vengeful> than on playing with it
Dec 26 01:12:05 <Vengeful> and....
Dec 26 01:12:14 <Vengeful> i really need some good pages
Dec 26 01:12:30 <Vengeful> with catalogs or... well that sort of things that make you reflash XD
Dec 26 01:13:54 <MohammadAG> http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel
Dec 26 01:14:04 <MohammadAG> Distro: Fremantle
Dec 26 01:14:12 <MohammadAG> Components: free non-free
Dec 26 01:14:14 <Vengeful> it's not the extra catalog
Dec 26 01:14:20 <Vengeful> i enabled from the phone
Dec 26 01:14:22 <MohammadAG> Install all apps there
Dec 26 01:14:24 <Vengeful> directly? :O
Dec 26 01:14:30 <MohammadAG> ?
Dec 26 01:14:39 <MohammadAG> extras-devel =/= extras
Dec 26 01:14:40 <ShadowJK> extras is not extras-devel is not extras-testing is not extras
Dec 26 01:14:49 <MohammadAG> ^
Dec 26 01:15:07 <Vengeful> uhm
Dec 26 01:15:11 <Vengeful> ok
Dec 26 01:15:15 <MohammadAG> Add it manually
Dec 26 01:15:22 <Vengeful> so i'll add it in the app manager
Dec 26 01:15:25 <ShadowJK> phone comes with extras disabled by default
Dec 26 01:15:25 <MohammadAG> I doubt it's in the App manager by default
Dec 26 01:15:28 <MohammadAG> so yeah added
Dec 26 01:15:32 <MohammadAG> add it*
Dec 26 01:16:02 <Vengeful> something i miss is to create folders
Dec 26 01:16:04 <Vengeful> for icons
Dec 26 01:16:11 <Vengeful> games - apps - office... like that
Dec 26 01:18:43 <MohammadAG> in the menu?
Dec 26 01:18:45 <MohammadAG> you can't
Dec 26 01:20:15 <MohammadAG> why are orangebox's posts, so, umm negative?
Dec 26 01:20:36 <MohammadAG> it's like he's a fanboy of something else and he's just trolling
Dec 26 01:24:05 <Vengeful> ok thanks for your help
Dec 26 01:24:10 <Vengeful> i'm falling asleep
Dec 26 01:28:50 <lcuk> heh, hope everyone is havin a great time :)
Dec 26 01:29:48 <angasule> back!
Dec 26 01:30:08 <|darone|> how can i compile something (c++) ?
Dec 26 01:30:24 <angasule> so, if I get an N810, can I develop for it and have it work on the N900?
Dec 26 01:30:57 <lcuk> |darone|, usually with a compiler
Dec 26 01:31:03 <angasule> maemo 5 doesn't work on N810, right? I better read more about mer
Dec 26 01:31:23 <lcuk> angasule, gtk works with small alterations
Dec 26 01:31:30 <lcuk> liq* stuff works well too
Dec 26 01:31:44 <angasule> liq*? I don't know that, is that related to qt in any way?
Dec 26 01:32:06 <lcuk> no
Dec 26 01:32:22 <lcuk> its just something i have been writing for a while
Dec 26 01:32:26 <lcuk> does nice things on n810
Dec 26 01:32:43 * lcuk likes this review of his app he just found
Dec 26 01:32:46 <lcuk> http://mynokiablog.com/2009/12/20/liqflow-on-the-n900-simple-visual-delight/
Dec 26 01:32:51 <angasule> N810 has no qt whatsoever?
Dec 26 01:32:52 <lcuk> (just one of the liqbase things)
Dec 26 01:32:55 <|darone|> i didn't find a way to install a cpp compiler =/
Dec 26 01:32:59 <lcuk> 810 has qt
Dec 26 01:33:08 <lcuk> |darone|, on the device itself?
Dec 26 01:33:32 <lcuk> and a development environment requires much more than just a compiler
Dec 26 01:33:32 <angasule> lcuk: thanks, neat
Dec 26 01:33:38 <|darone|> n900
Dec 26 01:33:43 <angasule> I'm familiar with Qt3 and 4, with GTK not so much
Dec 26 01:38:14 <Italodance> hey guys
Dec 26 01:38:22 <Italodance> N900 will not allow USB OTG! is it true?
Dec 26 01:39:09 <n900evil> yes
Dec 26 01:39:42 <n900evil> it is unclear if host mode works.
Dec 26 01:40:19 <angasule> I believe the connectors is physically different?
Dec 26 01:41:35 <Italodance> n900evil tnx for reply
Dec 26 01:48:32 <n900evil> ang: yes
Dec 26 01:48:53 <n900evil> but in principle that does not mater.
Dec 26 01:51:25 <MohammadAG> off to bed, night folks
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