**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 27 02:59:56 2009 Dec 27 03:00:04 flandry can u try -fprofile-generate for mame Dec 27 03:00:13 turn off sbox_useagccache Dec 27 03:01:05 need just cflag,s -O2 and -fprofile-generate, i think Dec 27 03:02:01 helps nuce speedup on cyclone Dec 27 03:02:06 i think Dec 27 03:02:08 lol Dec 27 03:04:46 i'm just trying to get it to work for the moment Dec 27 03:04:52 instead of crash immediately ;) Dec 27 03:15:02 crash on main () ? Dec 27 03:15:10 or sdl init Dec 27 03:28:21 coming home for the holidays has taught me something.... Dec 27 03:28:28 there are just some people who shouldn't use computers Dec 27 03:28:47 they will never be simple enough, because they just do to much Dec 27 03:29:00 and some people just cant wrap their head around that kind of flexibility Dec 27 03:29:17 hello. I downloaded the maemo nokia development sdk for my nokia n900 phone, and I'm in the scratchbox (sbox) and able to compile a sample helloworld.c and gui_helloworld. My question is do I need to use one of the arm-gcc style compilers instead of just gcc, to have the binary work on the phone? When I copy it over to the phone and try to run it from an xterm (ssh actually), it just gives a... Dec 27 03:29:19 ...line 1 syntax error. Dec 27 03:29:51 you have to switch to the armel target Dec 27 03:30:03 compile for that target Dec 27 03:30:07 then copy it over Dec 27 03:30:10 sb-menu Dec 27 03:31:20 dolfun: No, it gets to the point of drawing "Startup complete" in the center of the screen, and then calls an illegal instruction Dec 27 03:32:25 ha it woeks with n800 binary Dec 27 03:32:48 ? Dec 27 03:40:03 ok thanks flandry that did it. very helpful Dec 27 03:47:40 flandry old xmame Dec 27 03:49:48 running the emu for the first time Dec 27 03:49:51 is its normally slow? Dec 27 03:49:55 like REAL slow? Dec 27 03:50:05 or is it just that Im running it on a P4 Dec 27 03:50:43 hello Dec 27 03:50:55 anyone want to buy my N900? Dec 27 03:51:06 pretty much brand new Dec 27 03:51:58 how much Dec 27 03:52:19 K`: $580? best offer? Dec 27 03:52:23 go to #swapmeet for that.. Dec 27 03:52:43 naah, I just bought one new for 500$ from a distributer Dec 27 03:52:45 I figured I would offer it to fellow Maemo users before I offered to the general public Dec 27 03:52:45 terrible deal Dec 27 03:52:56 give you $150 bucks Dec 27 03:52:56 oh. I paid almost $600 for mine Dec 27 03:53:25 Im sure it will sell, good luck Dec 27 03:53:28 why are you getting rid of it? Dec 27 03:53:28 just looking for the best offer - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38504 Dec 27 03:53:37 no 3.5G on AT&T :( Dec 27 03:53:53 yea Dec 27 03:54:08 I am willing to take that hit Dec 27 03:54:15 so slooow Dec 27 03:54:19 I have a 3gs, and a touch pro right now Dec 27 03:54:28 I almost never use 3g though, Im always in wifi coverage Dec 27 03:54:47 when I want to do some browsing anyway, I only use data for IM and push email/calendars Dec 27 03:54:47 brianez21: no 3g either on att lol Dec 27 03:54:59 if we're talkin abou the n900 that is Dec 27 03:55:03 AakashPatel: yeah, EDGE only Dec 27 03:55:09 Im burning 30$ amonth on data I can't even use Dec 27 03:55:11 * AakashPatel kisses his EDGE connection Dec 27 03:55:17 looking forward to the N900 and drpping to medianet Dec 27 03:55:24 thats what i did Dec 27 03:55:35 even when i had my ADP1 Dec 27 03:55:50 ATT think i have a cheapo nokia hehe Dec 27 03:55:52 my biggest gripe with AT&T is that your natted Dec 27 03:56:00 eh yeah :/ Dec 27 03:56:02 tmobile gives you a true external IP if you pick the vpn plan Dec 27 03:56:08 EDGE is just unusable for me. I'll have to stick with my iphone 3g... Dec 27 03:56:18 tmobile really gives you a public ip? Dec 27 03:56:21 yea Dec 27 03:56:31 like... you can open ports and such? Dec 27 03:56:37 only if you request vpn data and use the internet3.voicestream.com ap Dec 27 03:56:43 well the give you ones like 3245251.tmodns.net Dec 27 03:56:43 then your ip is visible from the net Dec 27 03:56:44 or something Dec 27 03:56:52 used to ssh into my iphone 2g all the time when I was on tmobile Dec 27 03:56:52 cool Dec 27 03:57:00 using my dyndns hostname Dec 27 03:57:05 ssh or i return it Dec 27 03:57:06 isnt that insecure? Dec 27 03:57:06 onboard development Dec 27 03:57:30 its only as insecure at the user behind the wheel Dec 27 03:57:40 just like the n900 Dec 27 03:57:41 ;) Dec 27 03:57:50 the N900 is a dream Dec 27 03:57:58 * AakashPatel looks down at his HTC Dream Dec 27 03:58:00 NO ITS NOT Dec 27 03:58:01 hahah Dec 27 03:58:02 have you seen nogravity remix? Dec 27 03:58:02 I tried to get "this" with my htc exce 5 years ago Dec 27 03:58:03 lol Dec 27 03:58:22 I liked that Dec 27 03:58:26 the pun Dec 27 03:58:35 :) Dec 27 03:58:38 =) Dec 27 03:58:41 n900 is ok Dec 27 03:58:48 it is what i want Dec 27 03:58:55 a shame it cant run android Dec 27 03:58:56 haven't seen an irc client for it yet that runs Dec 27 03:58:56 o.o Dec 27 03:59:00 would make a good dev phone to dual boot with Dec 27 03:59:01 n900 is a beast Dec 27 03:59:08 K`: make one! Dec 27 03:59:17 AakashPatel I surely might Dec 27 03:59:19 I'm currently making a fully integrated Google Voice app for it Dec 27 03:59:21 its on my project list Dec 27 03:59:25 i keep a lot of windows open on n900 Dec 27 03:59:34 nice fast task switching Dec 27 03:59:41 ha ha AakashPatel Dec 27 03:59:45 thats also on my list :) Dec 27 03:59:51 Nowai Dec 27 03:59:52 its mine Dec 27 03:59:54 f' off Dec 27 03:59:55 hehe Dec 27 03:59:57 lol Dec 27 04:00:01 not so much web 2.0 here Dec 27 04:00:03 fight to the death! Dec 27 04:00:06 may the best app win! Dec 27 04:00:15 K`: some of us have offical api's though ;) Dec 27 04:00:19 * AakashPatel whistles Dec 27 04:00:31 i am happy for competition Dec 27 04:00:33 well I hope I get someone to buy the N900 Dec 27 04:00:39 from me Dec 27 04:00:42 yea, I would have just been parsing html Dec 27 04:00:51 the voice apis aren't public? Dec 27 04:00:54 Nope Dec 27 04:00:54 I think xchat is mostly there Dec 27 04:00:55 K`: not really a good idea. what if they change their html? Dec 27 04:00:57 damn Dec 27 04:00:58 it just needs a little cleanup Dec 27 04:01:05 brianez21 it just has to be done Dec 27 04:01:08 if it happens, I update Dec 27 04:01:15 clearly not as good as using an api Dec 27 04:01:24 :D Dec 27 04:01:27 but can be rapidly made and deployed Dec 27 04:01:29 didn't even know there /was/ an API Dec 27 04:01:29 uhm, wasn't there just something announced about integrated google voice Dec 27 04:01:35 anyway, no point in duplicating someone elses effort Dec 27 04:01:38 brianez21: its...private >.> Dec 27 04:01:39 something like "the one ring" or some silly name like that? Dec 27 04:01:44 my first app is a youmail interface Dec 27 04:01:47 that Im working on now Dec 27 04:02:03 johnx: huh? link? Dec 27 04:02:10 it's in extras-devel Dec 27 04:02:11 johnx: oh that shiz sucks Dec 27 04:02:15 >.< Dec 27 04:02:16 plenty of time till I get around to a voice style app Dec 27 04:02:36 AakashPatel, you mean the implementation sucks? or sucks that someone beat you to it? Dec 27 04:02:44 implemenation Dec 27 04:02:47 sp error Dec 27 04:02:48 lol Dec 27 04:02:54 implementation* Dec 27 04:03:13 I believe they created their own dialer Dec 27 04:03:22 that's dialcentral Dec 27 04:03:29 oh hm Dec 27 04:03:33 lemme look at the othero ne again Dec 27 04:03:52 link in a sec Dec 27 04:03:55 ideally it would integrate into the existing phone app Dec 27 04:03:57 ... Dec 27 04:03:59 http://maemo.org/packages/view/telepathy-theonering/ Dec 27 04:04:40 heh Dec 27 04:04:45 it looks like they didn't get to the voip integration part, but if you helped them with that rather then blasting off on your own ... *nudge, nudge* Dec 27 04:05:04 Lol i would if i was allowed to disclose the API Dec 27 04:05:15 aaah, so your app will be closed source? Dec 27 04:05:15 you work for google? Dec 27 04:05:29 johnx: unfortunately, yes Dec 27 04:05:34 brianez21: Nah Dec 27 04:05:38 I know a guy Dec 27 04:05:44 ouch. will they open the API eventually? Dec 27 04:06:04 johnx: I really dont know on that Dec 27 04:06:11 ugh :/ Dec 27 04:06:17 that's a lame situation all around Dec 27 04:06:25 eh yeah :/ Dec 27 04:06:29 :/ Dec 27 04:06:36 :\ Dec 27 04:06:39 lulz Dec 27 04:07:12 I wonder how feasible it is to put the part that talks to google into kind of a black-box style blob... Dec 27 04:07:16 anyways, off now Dec 27 04:07:21 bye Dec 27 04:07:25 cya Dec 27 04:07:33 johnx: i dunno Dec 27 04:07:37 ill look into it Dec 27 04:13:59 AakashPatel you happen to know if the FM transmitter can be accessed via maemo sdk? Dec 27 04:14:30 namely I just want to turn it on, Im hoping that it automatically transmits any audio through PA Dec 27 04:15:06 Hmmm I don't actually, never looked into that Dec 27 04:15:42 Sorry. Dec 27 04:20:54 thats ok Dec 27 04:21:07 I have a lot of documentation to read tonight and tomorrow Dec 27 04:21:19 Haha. Dec 27 04:21:45 onboard dev tools are a godsend, I can at least work AT work :) Dec 27 04:22:00 the sandbox is sooo slow Dec 27 04:22:00 :D Dec 27 04:22:16 sandbox? Dec 27 04:22:29 the sdk emulation Dec 27 04:22:33 scratchbox ;) Dec 27 04:22:43 yes, scratchbox Dec 27 04:22:55 ow browser save 20MB pdf to /var/tmp Dec 27 04:22:57 you'll have to pardon my slip there, been working with the iphone for 2 years Dec 27 04:23:14 Haha it's cool, I came from the Android world. Dec 27 04:23:28 funny story, it was a split between android and maemo on friday Dec 27 04:23:42 mimetype non-exe, large file- mydocs tmp? Dec 27 04:23:59 Haha yeah, I had the Android Dev Phone 1, but it was so damn slow after a while and Maemo reminded me of full desktop linux. Dec 27 04:24:30 i dont like the devices with a strapdown abuse device mentality Dec 27 04:25:13 yes, this is like my linux pc Dec 27 04:25:16 i am happy Dec 27 04:26:52 maybe i boot to console and run fbxine and tin and irssi Dec 27 04:28:35 K`, it's not an emulator. Dec 27 04:30:43 so its a maemo x86 built binaries running in an enclosed X display set to the same resolution Dec 27 04:30:52 I though somehwere I had read that qemu was in use Dec 27 04:30:59 anyway, thats not important Dec 27 04:31:18 what is important is that its slow, and Im not sure if this is normal, or just the older system I happen to have debian on Dec 27 04:35:26 understanding sdk is important Dec 27 04:36:46 if you need integrated debugging you probably want x86 sdk target Dec 27 04:37:07 it you want to do a lot of testing on device use armel target Dec 27 04:38:16 I don't think the Armel target boots on Xypher Dec 27 04:39:17 s/Xypher/Xephyr Dec 27 04:45:38 i used to run armel +xephyr Dec 27 04:45:43 same protocol Dec 27 04:46:12 just needs a display Dec 27 04:46:34 but proof of pudding is running on device Dec 27 06:05:44 i install new u.4 debjelper with make install Dec 27 06:05:49 7.4 Dec 27 06:06:12 dh_clean: Sorry, but 5 is the highest compatibility level supported by this debhelper Dec 27 06:06:54 i edited control to req dh 5 Dec 27 06:12:13 ah well quicksynergy seems to work Dec 27 06:36:40 ABC News is reporting that Al Qaeda sewed about 80 grams of PETN, an explosive that's similar to nitro-glycerin, into the Nigerian attacker's underwear. Dec 27 06:36:49 Oh shit I saw it coming Dec 27 06:43:07 Against which bugzilla product/component should I file bugs about the desktop (meaning the bits that host desktop widgets, backgrounds, the Manage Views dialog, etc)? Dec 27 06:44:29 <`0660> RST38h, I think someone just pulled a practical joke to that poor nigerian guy :) Dec 27 06:45:22 <`0660> what would be more funny than frying someones balls at 10km Dec 27 06:47:47 More funny? Dec 27 06:48:08 Mandated cavity searches of all passengers by TSA will definitely be funnier Dec 27 06:48:18 And that is where things are going Dec 27 06:52:50 ! Dec 27 07:15:51 Somebody compiled Asterisk for N900. But...WHY? Dec 27 08:09:55 ok, i feel better about available n900 apps after browsing the top paid android apps Dec 27 08:10:07 really, a lighter? Dec 27 08:10:42 Ah, it goes on: TSA Wants You To Keep Your Seat, and Your Hands In Sight Dec 27 08:13:16 you know, i recall eating at a tgi fridays behind security in 2004 Dec 27 08:13:44 if terrorists order a steak, that'd be a quick steak knife for the win. Dec 27 08:14:58 only if they manage to get to the deep frier and use it to blow the place up Dec 27 08:21:54 RST38h: naah. before the 1 hour before landing shutdown, go for it Dec 27 08:21:55 :P Dec 27 08:41:54 Stskeeps: I will just fly Aeroflot for now :) Dec 27 08:48:25 oh man, the bomber stored the material nearby his testicles Dec 27 08:48:29 in his underwear Dec 27 08:48:39 That is what I keep telling Dec 27 08:48:41 security searches will now officially be crap Dec 27 08:48:41 :P Dec 27 08:49:12 I am afraid it is strip searches now, with the full scale cavity search after the next attempt Dec 27 08:49:53 well, for a dane i can probably stand being naked amongst a lot of guys, but i've seen dutch people who couldn't stand the thought of common changing rooms.. Dec 27 08:49:56 :P Dec 27 08:50:21 where was that tutorial for multiple scratchbox targets again.. Dec 27 09:17:12 hi Dec 27 09:18:38 does someone know if nativ syncml support for http/s will be supported and in which release? Dec 27 09:21:45 for me the lack of this is killer... Dec 27 09:22:29 you could port syncevolution to the n900 Dec 27 09:22:29 DEALBREAKER! Dec 27 09:22:41 Hautameki: there's a thread on syncevolution on maemo-developers Dec 27 09:22:53 espacially considered that every s60 phone can do syncml 1.1 and 1.2 ovwr ip Dec 27 09:24:08 k Dec 27 09:24:27 i will have a look at it Dec 27 09:25:12 but i want to understand why this support is not there. Dec 27 09:25:43 n900 is sold as the new flagship..... Dec 27 09:25:51 no, it's actually not :P Dec 27 09:26:24 not? Dec 27 09:26:45 but why it's not there? cos reaching feature parity with symbian would take a long time and it was probably better to release earlier than reach for perfection Dec 27 09:27:19 also the community provides a solution here, bla bla bla Dec 27 09:28:36 4 sure. but is this solution practicable ? how can i time the sync? crontab? Dec 27 09:28:55 i am not happy twith nokias strat! Dec 27 09:29:06 oh well? :P Dec 27 09:29:18 there is no cron on n900 Dec 27 09:29:29 no, there's libalarm Dec 27 09:30:07 and libalarm can do what? Dec 27 09:30:25 it can wake up the device at needed times Dec 27 09:30:36 traditional cron doesn't work nicely with a mobile device Dec 27 09:31:06 k. is there a frontend for libarlaem? Dec 27 09:31:15 alarmtool i think Dec 27 09:31:15 brb Dec 27 09:31:21 thx Dec 27 09:31:27 afk Dec 27 09:39:12 where are the default ringtones stored on the n900? Dec 27 09:44:07 .. Dec 27 09:44:13 .sounds ? Dec 27 09:44:46 RST38h, yea i guess i somehow wiped mine out then :/ Dec 27 10:03:47 * Stskeeps takes another swing at hacking the gl drivers Dec 27 10:07:36 libalarm frontend is called dsmetool Dec 27 10:07:40 fiy... Dec 27 10:13:03 nah Dec 27 10:13:05 dsmetool is for dsme Dec 27 10:14:08 how can i create a playlist on N900? the default music player doesnt make it that easy Dec 27 10:22:00 hehe Dec 27 10:22:10 You can create a playlist but cannot remove anything from it Dec 27 10:26:22 Hehe: http://www.t3.com/features-gallery.html?articleId=7407&pic=/images/nokia_770_internet_tablet.jpg&id=22 Dec 27 10:26:28 "No touchscreen, no bluetooth..." Dec 27 10:26:48 "Overall, a good idea but not really thought through by Nokia, even though the company still persists with the range." Dec 27 10:26:52 No shit, Sherlock... Dec 27 10:31:11 heya all Dec 27 10:32:39 what is actually the main purpose of extras-devel? it seems to me to serve two different purposes, one being a staging area for possibly unstable packages, and another being a repo for dev tools. Dec 27 10:33:27 heya wazd Dec 27 10:33:38 fdv: the first Dec 27 10:33:45 there is a separate repo for stable dev tools Dec 27 10:34:00 ah. which is it? Dec 27 10:34:51 tools and sdk? Dec 27 10:35:33 hehe, today two 1oK Milestones will be broken :) Dec 27 10:35:38 10* Dec 27 10:37:16 Motorola Milestones? Dec 27 10:37:32 10k is kinda low for these Dec 27 10:37:33 RST38h: yeah :D Dec 27 10:39:08 RST38h: the funny fact is that my pretty niche blog is actually more popular than Eldar's LJ :) Dec 27 10:39:31 'muldar', say it right Dec 27 10:40:48 wazd: How do you know? Dec 27 10:40:57 * RST38h is against calling people names, sorry Dec 27 10:41:28 RST38h: he has yandex counter on his page Dec 27 10:43:15 RST38h: but I guess when he'll write something about another stolen device - I'd be less popular ofcourse :D Dec 27 10:43:55 hello Dec 27 10:44:06 LuciusMare_n900: hi Dec 27 10:44:13 hey wazd Dec 27 10:44:17 wazd: Oh well Dec 27 10:44:38 wazd: He has published at least one semi-amusing link lately Dec 27 10:46:20 semi-amusing? Dec 27 10:46:50 hm Dec 27 10:47:13 so back to what i wanted to ask at first Dec 27 10:47:15 RST38h: the only thing that was amusing for me lately in the internets was a font designer joke :) Dec 27 10:47:31 ? Dec 27 10:48:02 wazd: Well, I got a certain antropological kick out of that gallery... Dec 27 10:48:21 In the "Achtung! They live among us!" sense Dec 27 10:49:17 i wanted to use the n900 as a ir remote,but my remote's not in the database - so i wanted to use the irrecord utility,but i ran into a few problems. Dec 27 10:50:03 irrecord: could not init hardware (lircd running ? --> close it, check permissions) - permissions of what? Dec 27 10:51:00 RST38h: Font designer comes to the psychiatrist and says: "Doc you must help me! I'm going mad! Wherever I look I see only fonts, fonts! FONTS!" "Please, relax, take a seat. Now take a deep breath, close your eyes and visualize the quick brown fox that jumps over the lazy dog" Dec 27 10:51:17 wazd_: haha Dec 27 10:51:44 wazd: eek! Dec 27 10:52:16 wazd: "It must be Photoshop, there is no way you could take a picture of 5 children and a dog! -- No, not a Photoshop. Taxidermy!" Dec 27 10:52:43 :) Dec 27 10:56:01 Finally, a nice company name: iToo Dec 27 10:58:50 iGiveUp Dec 27 10:59:02 huh Dec 27 10:59:12 -sh: man: not found Dec 27 11:03:24 LuciusMare_n900: man pages on device is a waste Dec 27 11:06:31 "ii) All interior guards are to have canine teeth filed until blunted completely." Dec 27 11:09:03 not really a waste on the 32GB of flash maybe ;) Dec 27 11:10:59 gwah. it's been so long since I've sat at my own desktop that typing on my keyboard feels strange compared to my work laptop :/ Dec 27 11:12:01 hi Dec 27 11:12:15 is someone here who uses canola2? Dec 27 11:12:26 yup. what's the question? Dec 27 11:12:57 can u add files from folders to the "go list"? Dec 27 11:13:27 for me the added songs doesnt play and canola2 has to be killed Dec 27 11:13:59 are you using the latest version? Dec 27 11:14:07 but only for the asongs added from folders. not thruw id3. Dec 27 11:14:12 yes. i think so Dec 27 11:14:23 lattest version in the repo Dec 27 11:14:29 Hello ! Dec 27 11:14:33 hi Dec 27 11:15:03 sorry, what do you mean by "the asongs added from folders. not thruw id3"? Dec 27 11:15:09 hum failed to install openarena data ... need 300Mo free in /var ouch :) Dec 27 11:15:49 does it help to download it elsewhere before ? Dec 27 11:16:21 i dont like to organise my songs with id3. so i like to have a player in which i can browsw the filesystem. do u understnd? Dec 27 11:16:29 sry. writting from n900 Dec 27 11:17:39 canola2 can do this. but songs added directly from fs to a playlist doesnt play and canola is dead Dec 27 11:17:50 no problem. so by "added from id3" you mean the songs that canola scanned for and added automatically? Dec 27 11:18:17 actually, what would be best is if you could tell me exactly the steps to reproduce the problem :) Dec 27 11:18:58 k. i try but takes some time cause i am not at home Dec 27 11:19:53 so if I open canola, browse by folder, and tap-n-hold and try to add that song to a playlist, then canola will crash? is that what you're saying? Dec 27 11:21:58 not exactly. the way is correct, but it dont really crashes. if i then go to "playlist" "on the move" and play a song added as u described. then canola cant play it Dec 27 11:22:45 and cant play any other song unless i restart canola Dec 27 11:23:07 and this is on the N900 or N8x0? Dec 27 11:23:16 on the n900 Dec 27 11:24:34 do u have the same problem? Dec 27 11:24:55 well, I just put my music in one folder and hit shuffle ;) Dec 27 11:25:08 but I'll see if I can reproduce the bug you just described Dec 27 11:25:13 many 3rd party apps are not ready Dec 27 11:25:29 vncviewer Dec 27 11:25:31 dolfun, often, the sky is blue Dec 27 11:25:43 ? Dec 27 11:26:52 the voting process to extras is a good innovation Dec 27 11:27:28 if noone talks about it, the dev wouldnt go on... Dec 27 11:27:38 hiw can i vote? Dec 27 11:28:21 for eg i got stuck in vncviewer and it steals focus from poweroff emergency screen Dec 27 11:28:40 google extras testing voting Dec 27 11:30:01 http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ Dec 27 11:30:18 Hautameki, so I can reproduce part of the bug. If I add a song from browse-by-folder to the playlist, then try to play that song from the playlist canola doesn't play it. but if I go to other parts of canola I can still play music as normal Dec 27 11:30:51 thrashing n900 atm Dec 27 11:31:43 device unusably slow yet top reports nothing Dec 27 11:31:47 bbl Dec 27 11:33:57 anything in I/O wait in top? Dec 27 11:34:41 and/or sort by memory used (shift-m) and look at whether something is leaking memory Dec 27 11:36:07 ah I know this problem! Dec 27 11:36:13 looking at it right now in fact Dec 27 11:36:36 reboot solved Dec 27 11:36:49 RST38h, browserd? flash gotten out of control? I might have run into it in the past so I'm curious... Dec 27 11:37:04 no Dec 27 11:37:07 htop shows nothing Dec 27 11:37:11 no browser Dec 27 11:37:24 yet, after 4 or so days of uptime, the device becomes sluggish Dec 27 11:37:25 dolfun, except you're still no closer to knowing what happened... :P Dec 27 11:37:40 there are visible delays starting applications, and even the video starts skipping every now and then Dec 27 11:38:05 konttori says it may be an X pixmaps leak Dec 27 11:38:14 thx johnx. Dec 27 11:38:22 i had clutter paused in a transition 20 seconds Dec 27 11:38:22 I am currently waiting for N900 to slow down again so that I can analyze Dec 27 11:38:30 blurred terminal/bg Dec 27 11:38:40 do u know if the devel of canola is still active? Dec 27 11:38:47 Hello. An odd question - does anyone know if the N900 stylus is the same as the N800? I lost mine (for the N900) :-( Dec 27 11:38:48 bug #6382 Dec 27 11:38:49 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382 Device becomes sluggish after several days Dec 27 11:38:59 Here is the bug. Go comment on it. Dec 27 11:39:04 hmmm Dec 27 11:39:06 autoguy: different. Dec 27 11:39:11 Hautameki, yup. they just released the 2.0 final a couple days (weeks?) ago. You should definitely file a bug report with them Dec 27 11:39:31 Nooo :( Thanks for the answer anyway. Hope replacements will be sold Dec 27 11:40:00 they never widely sold replacements for the N800. I'm surprised you found one of those for sale Dec 27 11:40:36 Actually I didn't - an advertisement said the SU-35 (which is for the X5800) was compatible with N800. The ad might be wrong Dec 27 11:40:40 RST38h, it's been happening to me a bit, phone app taking time to start up. I thought it was browserd or maps related though. Dec 27 11:40:46 mine was not on for several days Dec 27 11:40:51 johnx: apparently it is not Dec 27 11:41:08 johnx: But do comment on the bug as well: looks like it may be a serious hindrance Dec 27 11:41:18 RST38h: I really don't think it is X leak. That was just a guess related to that we had x leaks just before sales launch. But those were all plugged to my knowledge. It might still be that some app (non-nokia) is leaking. Dec 27 11:41:19 it was a huge PITA, for sure Dec 27 11:41:51 konttori: I am at the second day after reboot right now. Dec 27 11:41:52 bug does not match my observation Dec 27 11:41:59 Is you have clutter jams, that's a sure sign of SGX driver restart loop. Dec 27 11:42:07 konttori: Will give it a couple more days and then let us revisit this and dig it a little Dec 27 11:42:16 k see Dec 27 11:42:18 So far, I know that htop shows nothing serious Dec 27 11:42:31 I tried killing browserd (and letting it respawn) and things haven't slugged down quite as badly again, but it's also possible it was the placebo effect at work in my case Dec 27 11:42:54 johnx: It becomes a huge pita when taking pictures: once you make the first picture and the thumbnailer starts up, taking the second happens with ~30sec delay Dec 27 11:43:10 johnx: I.e. you press the camera button, nothing happens for 30 seconds Dec 27 11:43:22 reboot the phone => everything back to normal Dec 27 11:43:30 I was getting a 30 second wait after opening the shutter cover Dec 27 11:43:34 s/shutter/lens/ Dec 27 11:43:35 johnx meant: I was getting a 30 second wait after opening the lens cover Dec 27 11:43:40 yea Dec 27 11:43:44 i am back to instant camera Dec 27 11:44:00 all normal Dec 27 11:45:21 wow, has anyone ever heard the "shutter" sound stutter/loop painfully for 10 seconds while taking a pic? Dec 27 11:46:12 yea, here Dec 27 11:46:26 also happens when the device has been on for several days Dec 27 11:46:30 do you have camkeyd installed? Dec 27 11:48:25 no Dec 27 11:48:51 good. I guess that exonerates it then :) Dec 27 11:48:57 I really didn't want to give it up Dec 27 11:51:37 is autobuilder dead or is it just a slow day? Dec 27 11:52:31 Hautameki, well, canola 2.0 is in extras for fremantle, so I think that means it's pretty stable Dec 27 11:52:42 their website has always been horribly out of date Dec 27 11:52:55 since beta9 there was a beta11 and a couple RC releases before 2.0 Dec 27 11:54:35 ahhh. so the version from extras should be the latest? is there a way to get sources from svn or something? Dec 27 11:55:28 i am too aon xchat Dec 27 11:56:19 aah, when you said "lirc" I assumed it was a windows IRC client I hadn't heard of ;) Dec 27 11:56:53 yeah. the version from extras is the latest I think. I don't know where they keep their svn repo Dec 27 11:59:55 for the "slow after 7 days" thing, I have this weird feeling about it just being high memory pressure Dec 27 12:00:24 no Dec 27 12:00:28 not according to htop Dec 27 12:03:58 I'm getting a *lot* of io wait when opening the "camera app" after having closed it just seconds ago Dec 27 12:04:22 and keep in mind, with swappiness set to 100 it doesn't take much memory pressure to get things swapped out Dec 27 12:06:22 i have all mounts quite full with large files Dec 27 12:06:30 johnx: Whatever it is, it is wrong. Dec 27 12:06:47 well it must be triggerable Dec 27 12:07:15 RST38h, inclined to agree with you. ;) I think it really is just something, somewhere leaking quietly Dec 27 12:07:21 I'd like to look at the output of atop Dec 27 12:07:22 yea Dec 27 12:07:40 I find it much more helpful than htop or busybox top (spit!) Dec 27 12:07:43 johnx: let us wait for a few more days until my device gets stale Dec 27 12:08:04 mine is at 16 days uptime and it's quite easy to cause it to get bogged down Dec 27 12:08:38 I've been purposefully doing that and watching the busybox top output in terms of I/O wait as it tries to start the camera app that I just closed a minute or so ago Dec 27 12:09:03 oh, you have got a stale one? Dec 27 12:09:23 care to install xrestop ? Dec 27 12:09:28 sure Dec 27 12:09:35 (and libxres I guess, but they are both tiny) Dec 27 12:09:52 and if you have the sdk at hand, a quick compile of atop would be awesome too :D Dec 27 12:10:31 soooo, where do I get xrestop from? Dec 27 12:11:18 johnx: the sdk repo I guess Dec 27 12:11:35 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/x/xrestop/ Dec 27 12:14:06 installed Dec 27 12:14:17 what do you want me to do with it? :) Dec 27 12:15:34 that's pitifully small: it's claiming 4MB of pixmaps, and 52KB of "Other" Dec 27 12:16:49 * ShadowJK has 25 days uptime on n900 Dec 27 12:17:47 how long is it taking you to start the camera? Dec 27 12:17:58 is there a non commercial xls reader available on the n900? Dec 27 12:18:30 konttori: heya Dec 27 12:19:11 konttori: I've found a small bug in TM btw :) Dec 27 12:20:38 it took about 15 swconds Dec 27 12:21:10 a nontrivial amount of swapin/swapout took place Dec 27 12:21:29 when's the last time you used it? Dec 27 12:21:31 konttori: http://i060.radikal.ru/0910/a8/d2aa5fa5955e.png I you'll look closely at the volume bar Dec 27 12:21:34 if* Dec 27 12:21:48 and for the grand prize: try it again in a couple minutes and see if it takes almost as long Dec 27 12:22:39 konttori: you'll see that the knob is misplaced Dec 27 12:23:13 konttori: I doubt that you can notice it on n900, but anyway :) Dec 27 12:23:38 johnx: a few days ago Dec 27 12:23:52 it was less than a second to startup now Dec 27 12:24:01 eh, well that's not too bad then Dec 27 12:24:12 maybe I just beat on my N900 more in terms of app load Dec 27 12:24:54 I still thought it was faster than 15 seconds right after a reboot Dec 27 12:25:39 in that case the whole camera app would have to be loaded from flash (or is it supposed to run as some daemon?) Dec 27 12:25:45 johnx: what is the total number of pixmaps though/ Dec 27 12:25:49 ? Dec 27 12:26:17 ShadowJK: Ok, so you are suffering from the same bug Dec 27 12:27:05 RST38h, pretend I'm dumb: where do I see that in xrestop? Dec 27 12:27:20 johnx: You add up the numbers in Pixmaps column =) Dec 27 12:27:36 bah! :P Dec 27 12:28:13 i like it now that i lowered crawler priorities Dec 27 12:28:18 heh, camera-ui is left running after closing camera, with 10 megs of rss Dec 27 12:28:19 so it's swapping that back in when opening lens cover, after not using it for a few days I'd guess Dec 27 12:28:22 (and swapping out browserd or whatever) Dec 27 12:28:25 but that probably causes problems Dec 27 12:28:31 (+ 28 7 315 2 519 16 10 11 3 3 6 3 12 1 3 1 1 1 0 1 1) Dec 27 12:28:41 Ah, that is a lot Dec 27 12:28:53 I have got about 320 total after startup Dec 27 12:29:01 really Dec 27 12:29:03 You have got more like 900 Dec 27 12:29:14 how many desktop applets are you running? Dec 27 12:29:19 I guess 315 is sapwood? Who is taking 519? Dec 27 12:29:28 http://dontclickthis.whatingods.name/cowlick.jpg Dec 27 12:29:30 mmm...2 Dec 27 12:29:45 I'm running most of the ones that are available Dec 27 12:29:59 what repo has xrestop Dec 27 12:30:05 SDK repo Dec 27 12:30:07 i must be missi Dec 27 12:30:11 RST38h, I'm not sure I'd call it a bug Dec 27 12:30:37 ohh maybe i dont add sdk repo Dec 27 12:30:48 don't add the SDK repo to your device Dec 27 12:30:56 just download the package and install with dpkg Dec 27 12:31:00 k Dec 27 12:31:44 unless things have changed quite a bit, the SDK repo contains lots of things that are mutually exclusive with necessary stuff on the device Dec 27 12:32:17 RST38h, I'm gonna head to sleep unless you want me to run any other test Dec 27 12:33:48 i dont waht to mess with libx+ Dec 27 12:34:12 libxres is safe to install Dec 27 12:36:01 Pixmaps: 6828K total, Other: 83K total, All: 6912K total Dec 27 12:41:26 there is someone like me who can't reflash the emmc of the n900? Dec 27 12:41:43 yes Dec 27 12:41:56 and... it's normal? :D Dec 27 12:42:30 no Dec 27 12:42:39 i mean Dec 27 12:42:45 i can only reflash the firmware Dec 27 12:42:52 t w Dec 27 12:43:24 geez... i realized after a while that i should ask for a replace... Dec 27 12:43:33 want to erase the personal data... Dec 27 12:43:37 stupid random reboots. Dec 27 12:44:37 vengeful tru file manager Dec 27 12:44:40 try Dec 27 12:45:09 i wished to left the terminal in factory conditions Dec 27 12:45:18 i removed some widget and other things too... Dec 27 12:45:27 oh well... not my business anymore :D Dec 27 12:45:50 johnx: sleep well :) Dec 27 12:46:10 ShadowJK: Well, in my case everything becomes slow after a few days, video, app manager, even xterm Dec 27 12:46:24 Camera is just the most visible app Dec 27 12:46:48 i wonder if the 32wd_to error is really an hw failure... Dec 27 12:47:51 how do i delete my data is not @question i like to answer str8ght Dec 27 12:48:30 Vengeful, i had the isue as well but for me the pmconfig hax fixed it Dec 27 12:48:57 RST38h, so it's even slow on next start? Dec 27 12:49:16 (next being within a minute or something) Dec 27 12:49:36 ShadowJK: yes Dec 27 12:49:50 ShadowJK: I have to wait for ~10 second just to start an XTErm Dec 27 12:50:24 In my case it's just things I haven't used in awhile that are slow to startup Dec 27 12:50:41 Definitely not so here Dec 27 12:51:12 swc|666 Dec 27 12:51:27 but buttery life sucks with the off mode trick Dec 27 12:51:50 Vengeful, not for me .. then again i only use the data connection when needed Dec 27 12:52:08 what does pmconfig fix ? Dec 27 12:52:12 ok then Dec 27 12:52:23 i did 12 hours with 2G + wifi +bluetooth active Dec 27 12:52:27 is that normal? Dec 27 12:52:35 jello69, it turns of power management frequency changing/scaling Dec 27 12:52:35 standby i mean Dec 27 12:52:36 Yes, it's probably a hw failure Dec 27 12:52:58 i want powerasaving Dec 27 12:53:05 it seems to me that some cpus can't handle "the minimum" Dec 27 12:53:08 just my 2 cents Dec 27 12:53:10 hhmh, did someone try http://maemo.org/packages/view/google-album-art-downloader/ ? Dec 27 12:53:18 Vengeful, i can do ~48 hours with just the phone modem on Dec 27 12:53:43 so something goes wrong with mine Dec 27 12:54:08 12 hours with what use Dec 27 12:54:14 weong conclusion Dec 27 12:54:26 swc is fos Dec 27 12:54:34 no use occurs Dec 27 12:54:35 12 hours with 2G (but i need 3G) + wifi + bluetooth Dec 27 12:54:36 say what? Dec 27 12:54:51 you do not use device 48 hours Dec 27 12:54:52 and NO calls Dec 27 12:55:31 maybe setting it down 48 Dec 27 12:55:42 jello69, with a few calls a day, i've had my phone benchmarked @ ~48hrs without a recharge dude.. you don't believe me? i dont fsckin care *shrug* Dec 27 12:56:02 setting it down 48 then Dec 27 12:56:53 any sane reason for WiFi+3G? Dec 27 12:57:02 dont give people stupid ideas swc Dec 27 12:57:10 jello69, bite me Dec 27 12:57:47 Stskeeps: around? Dec 27 13:00:35 "with 2g", "with 3g" is a poor description. For example, having xchat running will prevent the CPU from reaching off mode, and having xchat in several highly active channels will empty the battery in about 4 hours, even if the total amount of data transfer is less than 1 megabyte and the CPU use is almost non-existent... Dec 27 13:00:41 people need to learn minimum charge is maybe 3-4 hours Dec 27 13:00:53 It's not the amount of data, or the amount of CPU time used... It's the usage pattern that matters Dec 27 13:01:10 everything beyond that is their use pattern Dec 27 13:01:11 wazd_: mm? Dec 27 13:01:23 xchat probably needs to be made to go to sleep Dec 27 13:01:32 RST38h, yes Dec 27 13:01:41 that'd fix it as far as CPU goes Dec 27 13:01:48 Stskeeps: I've built Marina Dec 27 13:01:52 Stskeeps: kind of Dec 27 13:01:58 it can sleep @few secs before disconnect Dec 27 13:02:08 Stskeeps: still no deb though :) Dec 27 13:02:29 even if xchat has 0 servers 0 channels connected it prevents CPU from off mode Dec 27 13:02:36 it has a timer running all the time Dec 27 13:03:24 xchat is more for ocasional use Dec 27 13:04:04 wazd_: yeah, just zip up the dir and template Dec 27 13:04:10 and backgrounds Dec 27 13:04:35 hi Dec 27 13:04:35 can i submit ar'd debs... Dec 27 13:04:56 i ant do dpm Dec 27 13:04:57 cant Dec 27 13:04:59 I run it 24/7 on N900, using it on wifi and edge extends battery life enough Dec 27 13:05:26 whoa Dec 27 13:05:49 i just had n8x0 gl drivers work for a sec for me Dec 27 13:05:59 well, work better than before Dec 27 13:06:25 so,i want to make a new config file for irreco (lirc) for new remote. I was told i have to use irrecord,but before doing so,use mode2. So i did. However, /dev/lirc does not exist,only /dev/lirc0 .So i moved the lirc0 where mode2 expects is, and it told me to use --raw to access it rawly,without abstraction layer.So i did. But,when i point remote at the IR led,nothing appears on the screen.any ideas? Dec 27 13:06:26 Stskeeps: check out your gmail Dec 27 13:06:34 is it possible to tell the n900 to stay on edge even when 3g is available? Dec 27 13:06:45 "hi we screwed all commercial utility out of the drivers so here, too late" Dec 27 13:07:05 better than nada Dec 27 13:08:53 hautameki: setup -> phone -> network mode Dec 27 13:09:45 internet connection via edge/3g must be down to be able to change it Dec 27 13:11:06 !seen qwerty12 Dec 27 13:11:11 ~seen qwerty12 Dec 27 13:11:14 qwerty12 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 23d 18h 47m 15s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'. Dec 27 13:11:26 ~seen qwerty12_n810 Dec 27 13:11:27 qwerty12_n810 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 35d 13h 38m 44s ago, saying: 'andre_: Erm, *looks around*. Maybe I can get him or her to reveal themselves with a piece of chocolate'. Dec 27 13:11:31 ~seen qwerty12_n800 Dec 27 13:11:32 qwerty12_n800 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 171d 14h 59m 58s ago, saying: 'heh'. Dec 27 13:11:36 ~seen qwerty12_n900 Dec 27 13:11:37 qwerty12_n900 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 24d 21h 21m 29s ago, saying: 'w00t: If it makes you happy, I have a picture of my N800, N810, and "my" N900 on a desk. Urge to kill rising?'. Dec 27 13:11:38 RST38h: IRCfobia, like I said :) Dec 27 13:12:39 ehehe Dec 27 13:12:50 * wazd_ has captured planet news :D Dec 27 13:13:10 no waaaay Dec 27 13:14:02 btw, I have an idea for t.m.o. theme modification Dec 27 13:14:38 lets make post coloumn 456 pixels wide Dec 27 13:14:50 minimum Dec 27 13:15:27 so it will be as wide as tablet's portrait screen Dec 27 13:16:08 the current maemo.org-like t.m.o theme is better be completely scrapped Dec 27 13:16:26 not usable at all, good that there is classic vBulletin theme installed Dec 27 13:16:34 RST38h: do you want fresh Marina for testing btw? :) Dec 27 13:16:44 yea, send it over =) Dec 27 13:17:03 sounds like I'm giving you fresh virgin for sacrifice :D Dec 27 13:17:59 yessssss Dec 27 13:18:17 uhmmm Dec 27 13:18:40 but even replacing my faulty n900 how many chances i have that they don't give me another faulty one? :D Dec 27 13:19:04 it's an issue of many? Dec 27 13:22:17 RST38h: catch Dec 27 13:24:19 got it Dec 27 13:25:07 is it a deb ? Dec 27 13:25:20 RST38h: no :( Dec 27 13:25:36 RST38h: deb builder still not responding Dec 27 13:25:49 oh, yes, it is stuck Dec 27 13:27:55 i love the dark theme Dec 27 13:28:06 http://gizmodo.com/5434773/is-your-kindle-spying-on-you-yes Dec 27 13:28:40 t.m.o is very beautifu. Dec 27 13:30:17 hmhm, how are the thumbnailing services supposed to work? Dec 27 13:30:25 http://pastebin.com/m2da062e6 <- so, who here can tell me what that means? :) :) Dec 27 13:30:30 I installed the google albumart downloder but I don't know how to use it Dec 27 13:30:43 it's not running so I guess something has to activates it, but... Dec 27 13:30:56 (n8x0 users will want to see that) Dec 27 13:32:39 Stskeeps: something went wrong Dec 27 13:32:50 RST38h: last line is ctrl-c Dec 27 13:33:02 ah Dec 27 13:33:19 So, you have got the OGLES drivers for n8x0 and everything works? Dec 27 13:33:30 well, not 100%, there's a kernel layer issue we need to look at Dec 27 13:33:38 i did get it to render though Dec 27 13:34:02 ooooooooooooooooooh Dec 27 13:34:14 coooooooooool Dec 27 13:35:46 is there alignment forcing for rx51 /proc Dec 27 13:36:22 same code works with arn1136j-s Dec 27 13:36:26 arm Dec 27 13:36:38 but not cortex-a8 Dec 27 13:38:24 RST38h: no idea if you get a kick out of this, but http://pastebin.com/m53fbdfc0 Dec 27 13:42:41 ah interesting Dec 27 13:43:01 this is with debug though Dec 27 13:50:47 Stskeeps: hehe I like the "Sysiphys addr" XD Dec 27 13:51:24 nah wait. In English thatMa Sisiphos ? Dec 27 13:52:11 ehehe, they want to refilm Flash Gordon :) Dec 27 13:52:34 now the only problem is ressurecting Queen :) Dec 27 13:53:54 wazd: I want Carrion Comfort the movie =) Dec 27 13:55:41 wazd: Especially filmed by a pinko French filmmaker of Greek descent =) Dec 27 13:56:11 Which should make for the most paranoid movie in the world history =) Dec 27 13:57:23 RST38h: eeek :D Dec 27 14:00:49 hi! Dec 27 14:00:58 is there some maemo developpers here? Dec 27 14:01:51 Miniscalope: well, that's an interesting question) Dec 27 14:02:00 shh Dec 27 14:02:14 * wazd_ ducks Dec 27 14:06:53 gh Dec 27 14:06:54 ugh Dec 27 14:07:07 i installed a chroot type of debian on my G1 and i can't find out why only root can access the network :( Dec 27 14:07:40 etc/resolv.conf probably Dec 27 14:07:53 zou mean user has no ping? Dec 27 14:07:57 you Dec 27 14:08:42 i mean the device has an ip as root Dec 27 14:08:48 and doesn't as a user in the chroot :) Dec 27 14:09:19 as root i can do everything. but as a user i can not because it seems like users don't have permission to the device and i can't figure out why Dec 27 14:09:39 no wget? Dec 27 14:09:49 wget works fine as root Dec 27 14:09:52 as a user it does not Dec 27 14:09:56 ok ty Dec 27 14:09:58 apt-get too Dec 27 14:10:39 i forgot chroot details Dec 27 14:11:00 well. i can't figure it out Dec 27 14:11:05 Stskeeps: you know why it would do that? Dec 27 14:11:22 i figured it is a similar setup to deblet back in the day :) Dec 27 14:11:31 Macer: nah, g1 is a hack Dec 27 14:11:34 deblet was saner Dec 27 14:11:38 haha Dec 27 14:12:13 then make mer work on a G1 with telephone support :P Dec 27 14:12:40 by my own choice i don't touch other vendors stuff that much to avoid conflict of interest Dec 27 14:12:44 :P Dec 27 14:12:56 wooo, 7 downloads to go! Dec 27 14:13:56 heh Dec 27 14:14:31 ok. i will keep googling for it Dec 27 14:14:38 but i usually have a 30 minute rule about such things Dec 27 14:14:39 :) Dec 27 14:16:38 or you throw out your G1? Dec 27 14:16:40 :P Dec 27 14:17:08 hahaha Dec 27 14:17:59 I don't get maemo.org rating algorithm btw Dec 27 14:18:23 how an app that has only 4 and 5 ranks can have 3.75 result Dec 27 14:19:20 http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian_on_G1 Dec 27 14:19:24 found it Dec 27 14:19:24 and 3 on the main page Dec 27 14:19:32 wow you would think that would be in big bold letters :) Dec 27 14:22:10 hm Dec 27 14:22:32 RST38h: Stskeeps: btw, help with building m5 deb is much appreciated ;) Dec 27 14:24:33 wazd_: will look at it tonight Dec 27 14:24:43 just had a major breakthrough in N8x0 GL drivers so Dec 27 14:25:37 Stskeeps: oh, cool! Dec 27 14:27:04 hm Dec 27 14:27:10 it doesn't seem to be picking up the hostname Dec 27 14:27:11 damnit Dec 27 14:31:36 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5524#c12 Dec 27 14:31:38 Bug 5524: program hangs on exit when media player is playing music Dec 27 14:31:47 this problem i see often Dec 27 14:31:50 af'noon Dec 27 14:32:06 well. this is actually pretty nice Dec 27 14:32:09 i ahve to ssh to device to free it Dec 27 14:34:21 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5524 Dec 27 14:34:22 Bug 5524: program hangs on exit when media player is playing music Dec 27 14:34:57 pulseaudio has concurrent playback bug Dec 27 14:34:59 afternoon Dec 27 14:35:05 hi Dec 27 14:35:56 can u get the alsa playback javispedro woth pasuspender Dec 27 14:36:10 not even tried yet, but pupnik said so. Dec 27 14:36:39 no it does not work with sdl just some things Dec 27 14:37:05 mplayer is ok Dec 27 14:37:41 did u try ps x yet Dec 27 14:37:43 hm Dec 27 14:38:20 it is not fast Dec 27 14:38:43 well it is fast but not there Dec 27 14:39:15 but nes, uae, hatari Dec 27 14:39:22 no, i'm working on my own stuff atm. Dec 27 14:39:23 these are more hobbyist emus Dec 27 14:39:37 got hildonremotetexture working but with insane flicker. Dec 27 14:39:40 (in SDL) Dec 27 14:39:45 anything i canm help Dec 27 14:39:49 hm Dec 27 14:40:12 nice Dec 27 14:40:36 i try fixing something Dec 27 14:41:01 it's not pretty though. I guess SDL keeps trying to damage one of the background windows and remotetexture doesn't like this Dec 27 14:45:10 i cannot build debhelper 7.4 Dec 27 14:45:29 javispedro maybe dont setup sdl win Dec 27 14:45:47 i make inatall dh 7.4 Dec 27 14:46:06 but dh_clean always complains about debhelper version Dec 27 14:46:17 jello69: I still need it for event handling or amount of patches/workarounds in SDL code grows up astronomically Dec 27 14:46:32 ah Dec 27 14:47:16 what will you try javispedro Dec 27 14:48:10 dunno yet. Dec 27 14:48:14 * lcuk waves @ javispedro Dec 27 14:48:20 hey lcuk, long time :) Dec 27 14:48:33 had a few though weeks. Dec 27 14:48:40 but it's christmas now ! :) Dec 27 14:48:40 indeed, did you have a good christmas? Dec 27 14:49:05 who didn't? ;) Dec 27 14:49:57 * frals hugs dbus-monitor --system Dec 27 14:50:17 damn sms push being sent to /com/nokia/phone/SMS when it shouldnt Dec 27 14:50:57 javispedro, you still got your wild pair of devices? Dec 27 14:51:06 or did your concience tell you to return one Dec 27 14:51:50 * javispedro kicks concience Dec 27 14:52:16 wicked, so what you been up2 Dec 27 14:52:40 i'm trying to use the hildon-desktop scaling stuff to get weird aspect ratios in emus Dec 27 14:53:10 and also I updated most of my packages.. but seems everything's still broken : ( Dec 27 14:53:26 the git.maemo.org cert is revoked iirc Dec 27 14:53:30 thats a bit poo Dec 27 14:53:55 it still updates with https: protocol there doesnt it? or have we been opened up to the git: one? Dec 27 14:54:04 https Dec 27 14:54:23 but now it requires GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=1 :P Dec 27 14:54:43 hah Dec 27 14:54:52 wonderful to get mitm for maemo Dec 27 14:55:05 well, packages are not signed either. Dec 27 14:55:09 nahh this is the source code repository Dec 27 14:55:36 what.. the... hell :) Dec 27 14:56:01 ok Dec 27 14:58:25 how do i get bash to not use color? Dec 27 14:58:35 actually. i don't think that's the problme Dec 27 14:59:14 and maemo.org is still slow :) well, I see things have not changed much. Good :) Dec 27 15:00:14 wazd_: looks great by the way (your theme) Dec 27 15:03:57 nice python startup time on n900 Dec 27 15:09:00 hi Dec 27 15:09:27 sometimes keyuboard does not light u, Dec 27 15:09:33 hi Dec 27 15:11:16 how to get mpre ptys? Dec 27 15:11:28 helo? Dec 27 15:12:55 how to turn off sounds when i get an IM message? Dec 27 15:14:07 hm Dec 27 15:14:21 konttori: thanks :) Dec 27 15:14:21 well. this seems to be working outside of screen Dec 27 15:14:44 konttori: any chance for deb builder to work in windows? Dec 27 15:15:05 need to figure out how to get screen to use TERM=linux maybe Dec 27 15:25:04 i think i will wear out n900 Dec 27 15:28:18 echp 32 >/proc/sys/kern/pty/max Dec 27 15:28:18 but pandora is must buy also when it is ready Dec 27 15:28:28 or something like that. echo not echp Dec 27 15:28:32 dynamic? oh thank you Dec 27 15:30:20 it works s/kern/kernel Dec 27 15:31:09 hi Dec 27 15:31:35 if i install opentpd,wont it drain battery too much? Dec 27 15:42:17 yaar! 10k downloads! Celebrate! Dec 27 15:43:39 if i change python code on device do i need to clear a cache? Dec 27 15:44:05 no, but if you're changing the code of something that's running, you need to restart it Dec 27 15:53:18 the light sensor will switch off the keyboard light if it thinks it's light enough that you can see the keyboard without light. It will also switch off after not using it for a few seconds Dec 27 15:54:51 ah ok it was too dark to read but closing lid fixed it Dec 27 15:56:13 I usually press ctrl (upper left) once to turn it on after it has switched itself off Dec 27 16:03:37 wazd: yes, I *can* get the deb builder to work on windows as well. I just need a bit of time for it. Dec 27 16:04:22 and now I'm putting my coding time into learning qml a bit better. I could try to get a peek at it today though. Dec 27 16:05:07 konttori: that would be great Dec 27 16:05:37 konttori: btw, maybe you know how maemo designers do dithered theme .pngs? Dec 27 16:05:38 I know. It would also drop the need for the separate silly deb binaries. Dec 27 16:06:15 wazd: nokia internal tool makes the dithering. You should be able to use photoshop to do the dithering Dec 27 16:06:26 any dithering mode should do the trick. Dec 27 16:06:45 konttori: well, photoshop uses dithering for 256 colors only Dec 27 16:07:00 otoh, e.g. the home screen bg images should be automatically dithered by hildon home on load. Dec 27 16:07:12 so, you don't need to dither those at all Dec 27 16:07:21 konttori: I can do it manually but that's damn boring and difficult :) Dec 27 16:07:44 wazd: http://notlost.blogspot.com/2008/08/dithering-for-low-bit-depth-lcds-with.html Dec 27 16:07:53 konttori is there a contact for the good games ppl like javis and rst? Dec 27 16:08:04 for the sdl issues specifically Dec 27 16:08:13 wazd: you can create a dithering macro with that in a sec. Dec 27 16:08:40 maybe we need a maemo-bounties.com Dec 27 16:09:07 jello69_: well, you could perhaps ask kalikiana, but sdl is currently maintained by claudio saveedra at nokia Dec 27 16:09:41 i hope that was ok to post Dec 27 16:09:41 probably Saavedra Dec 27 16:10:01 (I'm talking about spelling, don't know the people :) ) Dec 27 16:10:25 konttori: yeah, I saw that guide, but Dec 27 16:10:35 k i think somethings can be fixed Dec 27 16:10:36 konttori: flatten image kills alpha :( Dec 27 16:10:40 angasule: you are right. Dec 27 16:11:13 maybe I should code macro indeed Dec 27 16:11:57 wazd: I think you should be able to take the alpha into a separate layer before applyting those and then restore the alpha (as part of your macro) Dec 27 16:14:46 somebody must know how to talk to id: AIC34 tlv320aic3x-I2S-0 Dec 27 16:16:01 then we make sdl-alsa talk like this Dec 27 16:29:49 it can give up if pulse wants to talk Dec 27 16:29:57 and resume even Dec 27 16:30:49 what does it take 10000euroas? Dec 27 16:33:17 hahi Dec 27 16:33:20 hai Dec 27 16:33:58 anyone succeeded importing an .ics file into maemo5 calendar? Dec 27 16:34:33 i only got this "invalid calendar file" error, although i think the file is valid ics (even checked with a validator) Dec 27 16:39:03 I'd be interested to hear if you do succeed Dec 27 16:52:05 http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/27/itoos-m6hd-pmp-outputs-1080i-without-breaking-anyones-bank/ Dec 27 16:52:07 hmm) Dec 27 16:56:07 yop Dec 27 16:56:40 mmm.. the joy of parsing wsp_pdu's Dec 27 16:59:29 so it was the loadapplet suddenly stopped working on my N900 and i cant figure out what I did to disable it :( Dec 27 16:59:52 jo Dec 27 17:01:08 hi felipec Dec 27 17:03:03 is there a way to enable the load applet? I apt-get remove --purge it so that I could have it install from a fresh config but it didnt still work on fresh install Dec 27 17:03:41 maybe if i try to remove the config file/directory from my /home Dec 27 17:04:57 nice Im draining my battery 1% every 4 minutes Dec 27 17:05:17 N900 that is Dec 27 17:06:15 Dr_Cain disable wlan and gsm Dec 27 17:06:21 and bluetooth Dec 27 17:06:26 yepp Dec 27 17:06:43 its a pitty you can disable eithe wlan or gsm or gps Dec 27 17:06:46 and maybe turn down the brightness a bit Dec 27 17:06:47 so only go 3G? Dec 27 17:06:48 only whole stuff Dec 27 17:07:01 args cannt Dec 27 17:07:09 I should write a bug Dec 27 17:07:40 i think you can just set wlan to manual mode i.e. no auto connect Dec 27 17:07:44 in the settings somewhere Dec 27 17:08:15 tg but thats not a disable Dec 27 17:08:54 but isn't it turned off if you disconnect from the ap? Dec 27 17:09:11 i thought it worked that way Dec 27 17:09:52 battery.charge_level.percentage = 26 (0x1a) (int) Dec 27 17:09:52 battery.charge_level.percentage = 26 (0x1a) (int) Dec 27 17:09:52 battery.charge_level.percentage = 25 (0x19) (int) Dec 27 17:09:52 battery.charge_level.percentage = 25 (0x19) (int) Dec 27 17:09:52 battery.charge_level.percentage = 24 (0x18) (int) Dec 27 17:10:06 polling every 60 seconds lol Dec 27 17:10:41 I wonder what you're doing to get that Dec 27 17:10:57 my n900 has been on wifi (screen off, unused) for about 2.5 days now without charging Dec 27 17:10:59 yeah, me too Dec 27 17:11:29 so one of us is atypical.. Dec 27 17:11:31 i mean i also wanna know how you get that info Dec 27 17:12:39 without using it mine also lasts long enough Dec 27 17:13:06 * lcuk sneakily paints bacon fat onto the soles of lardman's shoes Dec 27 17:13:09 it was like 85-90% percent after half a day Dec 27 17:13:14 or similar Dec 27 17:13:43 running some music, ssh, web and other stuff Dec 27 17:13:44 * w00t pipes bacon fat into lcuk Dec 27 17:14:00 Dr_Cain, have you considered that running 47 monitoring apps might be to blame Dec 27 17:14:18 jo lcuk Dec 27 17:14:31 hey woglinde \o and hiya kathy Dec 27 17:14:37 * lcuk w00ts at w00t Dec 27 17:14:39 hi kathy Dec 27 17:14:40 Hiya! Dec 27 17:14:41 moo Dec 27 17:14:47 w00T ALL Dec 27 17:14:53 Good Crimbo? Dec 27 17:14:57 anyone know when pr1.1 will be available? i cant even use my phone because of the 3-operator-sim bug Dec 27 17:15:01 * lcuk ponders how well this will work on n810 Dec 27 17:15:01 RevdKathy: heh, nice to put an IRC face to the tmo person ;) Dec 27 17:15:25 LOL w00t - I've popped in before - but this place goes over my head most of the time Dec 27 17:15:33 w00t kathy is quite regular here, shes like a bowl of all bran Dec 27 17:15:33 lcuk: how goes? Dec 27 17:15:53 it goes good! Dec 27 17:15:59 lcuk: definition of a pessimist - puts prunes on his all bran Dec 27 17:16:02 RevdKathy: it was for me, initially - I lurked and asked a lot of stupid questions and now I know enough to not question the weird things that lcuk does Dec 27 17:16:03 lots of little things appear to be coming together Dec 27 17:16:05 :) Dec 27 17:16:21 RevdKathy, yum Dec 27 17:16:39 in the last 24 hours, i have restored the slidein menus from original liqbase Dec 27 17:16:45 lcuk - someone on tmo was looking for a dev near Oxford Dec 27 17:16:50 now any dialog which does not zoom in will slide in Dec 27 17:16:57 slide in? Dec 27 17:17:01 yeah Dec 27 17:17:07 like in powerpoint? Dec 27 17:17:20 the original liqbase had slideins for all dilogs, when you press a button they smoothly slide from the side Dec 27 17:17:24 i dunno Dec 27 17:17:31 it was something ive been meaning to fix for yonks Dec 27 17:17:36 ahhh right Dec 27 17:17:43 tg: lshal|grep battery.charge_level.percentage Dec 27 17:18:14 thx Dec 27 17:18:17 nothing about pr1.1? Dec 27 17:18:28 Hexagoon, when its ready you will get it Dec 27 17:18:41 Hexagoon - still under wraps. Doubt it will make it this year now Dec 27 17:19:09 * lcuk freezes @ home Dec 27 17:19:15 i have made a minty boost earlier, that also works fine with the n900, so i can charge it from AA batteries with that Dec 27 17:19:31 mmm minty. Dec 27 17:19:36 * w00t salivates Dec 27 17:19:40 when it's ready i've already sold my goddamn device :P i've had it for 3 weeks but stil not been able to use it :P Dec 27 17:19:50 slightly annoying Dec 27 17:19:51 Hexagoon: why? Dec 27 17:20:03 RevdKathy, the rotating sketches is making me giddy but to do sheep properly i must be able to rotate the field itself Dec 27 17:20:05 i have 3 as operator, their sims dont work in the n900 Dec 27 17:20:06 what's pr1.1? Dec 27 17:20:11 Hexagoon: ah Dec 27 17:20:12 and that takes super brainpower Dec 27 17:20:21 * lcuk is full of headfunk Dec 27 17:20:43 lcuk: that is a word that I believe should make the dictionary Dec 27 17:20:43 w00t, did you see the rotating sketches? Dec 27 17:20:49 I will make sure to use it as often as possible in future :) Dec 27 17:20:51 which Dec 27 17:20:52 no Dec 27 17:20:57 I've been kind of busy over christmas Dec 27 17:20:59 lcuk - why do you need to rotate the field? It's the sheep that move, no? Dec 27 17:21:01 (social etc.. *sigh*) Dec 27 17:21:11 lcuk: headfunk Dec 27 17:21:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q rate and vote it as well :D Dec 27 17:21:26 ehehe, other maemo weather screenshot was removed from maemo.nokia.com Dec 27 17:21:27 RevdKathy, yeah the field needs to move too Dec 27 17:21:34 at least for some degrees Dec 27 17:21:34 tg - I am now charging from a freeloader - works fine Dec 27 17:21:43 consider an overhead view on the sheepdog Dec 27 17:21:56 and im running around trying to make the sheeps go somewhere Dec 27 17:22:06 lcuk I'll take your word for that. Wouldn't a dog look like a sheep from above? Dec 27 17:22:13 it might work without, but having rotating bitmaps is reqd Dec 27 17:22:26 dont be silly! sheeps look like clouds from above! :p Dec 27 17:22:42 ('\x06)\x1f"application/vnd.wap.mms-message', '\x81\x84\xaf\x84\x8d\x01') Dec 27 17:22:47 hmm, that looks a bit borked :( Dec 27 17:22:51 And sheepdogs don't? depends on the breed of sheepdog Dec 27 17:23:13 Old English (dulux) would look like clouds Dec 27 17:23:14 i dunno, im just thinking to make it like GTA Dec 27 17:23:20 god damn wsp and their shortened versions for some strings ;( Dec 27 17:23:45 we were discussing a way to make the field bigger than the screen Dec 27 17:23:50 gta? Dec 27 17:23:50 to do that it needs to rotate Dec 27 17:23:51 ahhh right Dec 27 17:24:00 so you could fit more sheep pens on Dec 27 17:24:00 grand theft auto - the original top down one Dec 27 17:24:14 Never played that - I'mm too law abaiding Dec 27 17:24:33 he Dec 27 17:24:33 http://www.glidos.net/large/gta.jpg Dec 27 17:24:35 Never played anything with crime, guns, etc Dec 27 17:24:38 gta rockz Dec 27 17:24:41 Only Nice Games Dec 27 17:24:45 pfffff Dec 27 17:24:51 wow? Dec 27 17:24:53 haha Dec 27 17:25:03 (Used to have a game with a little bloke in a loin cloth...) Dec 27 17:25:30 But I seriously don't game much - tetris and mahjong are the main one for me on n900 Dec 27 17:25:31 we dont want to know about your subscription to playdude :p Dec 27 17:25:38 mahjong rules Dec 27 17:25:44 indeed Dec 27 17:25:44 I play that on the bus every morning Dec 27 17:25:46 LOL They don't wear loincloths in playdude Dec 27 17:25:46 tracy plays lots Dec 27 17:25:59 (or playbear, for that matter) Dec 27 17:26:12 if its anything like playgirl, you should qualify that with "for long" Dec 27 17:26:25 .. knowing your unboxing photos, RevdKathy, the idea of a 'playbear' scares the hell out of me Dec 27 17:26:28 :P Dec 27 17:26:48 I'll take your word for it - haven't rea that sort of thing in a couple of decades since I need someone else to reach the top shelf for me :p Dec 27 17:26:58 this slidein feels really nice, just like it did on n810 Dec 27 17:27:05 mm Dec 27 17:27:22 WTF does 'blocks' not have a highscore? Dec 27 17:27:26 does anyone here use a durasec? Dec 27 17:28:05 w00t, did you watch the video Dec 27 17:28:16 w00t: http://www.revdkathy.co.uk/avs/nun.jpg Dec 27 17:28:18 yes, I did Dec 27 17:28:24 one question Dec 27 17:28:31 can you switch that off, temporarily? Dec 27 17:28:43 yeah its justa proto at the moment Dec 27 17:28:46 sometimes I want to rotate something to look at it from a different perspective without it moving with me :p Dec 27 17:28:52 very cool, though Dec 27 17:28:53 i was thinking of switching it *on* with a keypress Dec 27 17:29:02 rather than on all the time Dec 27 17:29:02 RevdKathy: ...haha Dec 27 17:29:12 lcuk: then, I suspect, it wouldn't get a lot of use though Dec 27 17:29:18 :) Dec 27 17:29:25 optional behaviour (especially like that) doesn't get discovered easily Dec 27 17:29:28 depends which area of the system its in Dec 27 17:29:39 sure Dec 27 17:29:47 just giving my perspective given what I know Dec 27 17:29:47 and since its ubercool and something you want to give to your friends and let them play with Dec 27 17:29:53 w00t: http://www.revdkathy.co.uk/images/bondagebear.jpg Dec 27 17:30:12 RevdKathy: do you have bears on your n900? Dec 27 17:30:13 :P Dec 27 17:31:02 Not at the moment - n900 is all Christmassy w00t Dec 27 17:31:04 kathy lol @ ur secret badbear stash Dec 27 17:31:10 hah Dec 27 17:31:16 I need to find a new wallpaper.. Dec 27 17:31:21 my n900 has finger warnings Dec 27 17:31:23 RevdKathy: you've forgotten to install an update to your gallery :) Dec 27 17:31:29 lcuk: fingerwhat Dec 27 17:31:45 I was planning to line a load of bears up and make a looping wallpaper Dec 27 17:31:55 Yeah, haven't updated in ages to the gallery Dec 27 17:32:06 wazd - the scrapbook took over really Dec 27 17:32:37 lcuk: what do 'fingerwarnings' do on n900 - or can't you tell a nice girl something like that? Dec 27 17:32:54 haha Dec 27 17:35:33 http://liqbase.net/liq.fingerwarning.desktop.20091203_042.jpg Dec 27 17:36:01 based on http://liqbase.net/fingerfriendly.jpg Dec 27 17:36:35 and a real photo of my damaged bloody finger http://liqbase.net/finger_macro.jpg Dec 27 17:37:13 Ouch! What did you do to your finger? Dec 27 17:37:44 ouch! Dec 27 17:38:01 don't close whatnow Dec 27 17:38:23 I smashed my thumb in a car door about 15 months ago -i it looked like that Dec 27 17:38:28 dear jesus Dec 27 17:38:38 * w00t winces Dec 27 17:38:43 kathy, http://slashdot.org/journal/229097/Nokia-ovi---finger-friendly Dec 27 17:40:50 lcuk: ouch. Dec 27 17:40:57 Wow! and Major OUCH! is it recovered now? Dec 27 17:40:58 i used more colorful language Dec 27 17:41:20 well, yes Dec 27 17:41:29 I imagine mine would have put a rainbow to shame Dec 27 17:41:40 as much as it will, the pad was ok, so no serious nerve damage but thenail is a bit wonky and ive lost a tiny bit of grip Dec 27 17:41:43 When I smashed my thumb (in a volvo door) I was with a client... I managed not to swear. I broke the bone, but had less soft tissure damage Dec 27 17:42:13 mmm Dec 27 17:42:15 Have you damaged nerves? Dec 27 17:42:15 i saw so much of helsinki, i was rly looking forward to that trip too Dec 27 17:42:18 I've never done any serious damage to my fingers Dec 27 17:42:23 thankgod Dec 27 17:42:24 no i use it now Dec 27 17:42:33 it cut through the nail side so was ok Dec 27 17:42:34 I have, however, damaged above my nose Dec 27 17:42:38 * lcuk shows you .|.. Dec 27 17:42:38 You saw bits of Helsinki you never planned - like inside A&E Dec 27 17:42:48 yeah Dec 27 17:42:49 smashed into a very sharp edge in a swimming pool in norway a year or more ago Dec 27 17:42:58 (like, dived into it..) Dec 27 17:43:02 i smashed a bit of my tooth at the pool Dec 27 17:43:02 opened me up fairly well Dec 27 17:43:13 Ouch!!! how do you breath? Dec 27 17:43:14 lol Dec 27 17:43:19 upper jaw onto the side of the pool Dec 27 17:43:36 above nose is ok Dec 27 17:43:45 thers nothing important in the upper half of his head ;) Dec 27 17:43:48 RevdKathy: it wasn't that bad, didn't even need stitches.. I just bled fairly copiously Dec 27 17:43:54 and now have a bit of a scar there Dec 27 17:44:01 Xchat needs camreas so people can show off thier scars Dec 27 17:44:08 haha Dec 27 17:44:24 irc client just needs to show thumbnails Dec 27 17:44:34 I'm tempted to get photos out of all of this now actually and make a lovely n900 wallpaper pack Dec 27 17:44:38 lcuk's finger Dec 27 17:44:39 my nose Dec 27 17:44:41 No, it was me that smashed the thumbnail... Dec 27 17:44:42 etc Dec 27 17:44:46 tim samofs hip Dec 27 17:44:50 samoff Dec 27 17:45:04 lol @ real thumbnail gallery Dec 27 17:45:29 sick gits, but i bet it would pull in pageviews Dec 27 17:45:31 hahaha Dec 27 17:45:33 yes! Dec 27 17:46:07 just need a flickr taggroup and twitter #hashtag #maemo-hurts Dec 27 17:46:14 #maemo-pain even Dec 27 17:46:21 #finger-friendly is surely more ironic Dec 27 17:46:23 You'll be pleased to know the photos of my thumb are not online any more Dec 27 17:46:29 why Dec 27 17:46:39 once something goes on the internet Dec 27 17:46:42 it cannot be removed Dec 27 17:46:47 SOMEONE has that photo Dec 27 17:46:56 and based on odds, i dread to think why they have it Dec 27 17:46:56 rule 34. Dec 27 17:47:04 hahahahaa Dec 27 17:47:09 I have it still - but would need to get out of the armchair to turn on the network to find it Dec 27 17:48:03 hehe Dec 27 17:48:26 And when I get up I will go fix a meal, so not moving yet Dec 27 17:48:36 isn't it a bit late? Dec 27 17:48:37 hm Dec 27 17:48:38 it's not Dec 27 17:48:42 I thought it was like 9pm. Dec 27 17:49:07 No, the idea is to fry leftovers in time for Midsomer Murders Dec 27 17:49:31 * RevdKathy is loving being able to turn off pcs and still check email and twitter Dec 27 17:49:46 being in norway seriously screws up my sense of time Dec 27 17:50:00 is Norway home, w00t? Dec 27 17:50:08 it getting dark at 3pm and my future inlaws insistance on having dinner at like 4pm is just weird. Dec 27 17:50:15 no Dec 27 17:50:24 Ahhh you moving there? Dec 27 17:50:27 I'm originally from australia, I live in the UK (for the moment) and hope to move here in the future Dec 27 17:50:38 Now that's confusing Dec 27 17:50:38 (I have a history and a half, eh?) Dec 27 17:51:32 :) Dec 27 17:52:04 So who do you support in the cricket? (The REALLY important question :p ) Dec 27 17:52:22 whoever is winning Dec 27 17:52:25 (I'm not kidding, either) Dec 27 17:52:29 That's cheating Dec 27 17:52:34 being a dual citizen has some benefits. Dec 27 17:52:44 lol Dec 27 17:52:50 LOL Dec 27 17:52:59 australia's glory days are just about over anyway Dec 27 17:53:37 Wouldn't say that - making a nice mess of Pakistan today, weren't they? Dec 27 17:54:09 the waugh brothers, mcdermott, warne, gilchrist, taylor.. Dec 27 17:54:12 those were the days Dec 27 17:54:24 "Pidgin-supported protocols plugin for Maemo 5" is what they come up with for a pretty name? Dec 27 17:54:36 Warne will be good for another career now he's got his hait fixed Dec 27 17:54:49 depends if he gets his thumbs broken for texting someone againi or not Dec 27 17:54:50 ;) Dec 27 17:55:02 GAN900, have you tried the twitter plug-in yet? Dec 27 17:55:10 w00t. LOL ;) Dec 27 17:55:20 heya RevdKathy :) Dec 27 17:55:21 RevdKathy, I don't use Twitter. ;) Dec 27 17:55:30 Hi Both :) Dec 27 17:55:46 RevdKathy: will try to remember teh phototricks wikipage Dec 27 17:55:59 No Twitter GAN900? Where do you put the random musings from your head? Dec 27 17:56:20 RevdKathy: IRC Dec 27 17:56:21 Oooh, yes please, tigert. I could have used that - been taking pics over Christmas Dec 27 17:56:23 I'm still trying hard to find a use for twitter myself Dec 27 17:56:27 RevdKathy: what else? Dec 27 17:56:43 RevdKathy, I just shout them at the cosmos fromin my head. :P Dec 27 17:56:55 zash: LOL Most of us ramble on twitter. I have met a bunch of good peoples on there Dec 27 17:57:22 GAN900 careful I know people who give you pink pills for doing that Dec 27 17:57:34 bbl visitors on way Dec 27 17:57:58 The good bit about twitter is that you can choose exactly whose random mumblings you want to read or not. Troll-proof Dec 27 17:58:22 I use facebook more than twitter Dec 27 17:58:30 (for random musings) Dec 27 17:58:39 Ahh, never got into facebook Dec 27 17:58:58 advice, for stupid people: If you think you're safe listening to crap music on headphones, make sure they're plugged in properly first. Learn from my mistake, I implore you! Dec 27 17:58:59 I have an LJ, a bebo (just for reading others) and my tumblr Dec 27 17:59:01 ^ my latest :) Dec 27 17:59:04 RevdKathy: Kind of a IRC where everyone has their own moderated channels.. Dec 27 17:59:22 * lcuk curses google maps Dec 27 17:59:34 lcuk: I'm sure it curses you too Dec 27 17:59:35 lcuk: :\ i once cut my finger Dec 27 17:59:36 zash: yes - I found it invaluable for selecting people with a god sense of humour Dec 27 17:59:37 with an axe Dec 27 17:59:45 lol Dec 27 17:59:53 it hit the bone and stopped Dec 27 17:59:54 Have your visitors got lost, lcuk? Dec 27 18:00:05 RevdKathy: I'm w00teh on twitter, if you want to add me.. though like I say I don't use it nearly often enough :P Dec 27 18:00:15 Blunt axe, Ceron - should go through bone Dec 27 18:00:26 they havent got gps and need a route in Dec 27 18:00:26 RevdKathy: well i stopped in the last second Dec 27 18:00:27 thats why Dec 27 18:00:32 Ceron: that's damn lucky - you could have lost that finger Dec 27 18:00:37 yeh :P Dec 27 18:00:39 RevdKathy, unless Quim turns to the darkside or something. ;) Dec 27 18:00:43 it was a sharp axe Dec 27 18:00:43 Will find and add you, w00t. I have then #n900 on a search and have added a lot of folks from there Dec 27 18:00:45 made by fiskars Dec 27 18:00:51 and the one tile on the map doesnt show Dec 27 18:00:56 can anybody make a screenshot of task switcher with 2 opened web pages? Dec 27 18:01:04 mouhaha Dec 27 18:01:10 * frals just "received" an MMS on his phone Dec 27 18:01:28 * RevdKathy is having strange images of Quim turned to the dark side... and would we notice the difference? Dec 27 18:01:41 when will we see a firmware update Dec 27 18:01:44 for the n900 :l Dec 27 18:02:07 when its done Dec 27 18:02:20 working on that for yu wazd Dec 27 18:02:23 Ceron, likely soon. Dec 27 18:02:25 when its done? Like Duke Nukem Forever? Dec 27 18:02:26 :D Dec 27 18:02:38 RevdKathy: thanks Dec 27 18:03:06 can't anyone "leak" pr1.1, there were no disclosure agreement =) Dec 27 18:03:23 Hexagoon, first and only warning. :) Dec 27 18:03:27 lol Dec 27 18:03:29 :) Dec 27 18:03:34 GAN900, I like that approach :) Dec 27 18:03:39 Hmm someone gimme some input on a Google Voice app I'm making, sould I create my own UI so I can include checking Voice mail's nicley and let you check all the labels and settings and stuff? Dec 27 18:03:40 worth a shot ;) Dec 27 18:03:46 warez Dec 27 18:03:46 And for messages Dec 27 18:04:11 Hexagoon: its on piratebay Dec 27 18:04:15 go fetch it Dec 27 18:04:16 Hexagoon, Nokia invested a lot of trust in the community by distributing prerelease firmware to it, breaching that trust is a good way to ensure they never try it again. Dec 27 18:04:47 GAN900++ Dec 27 18:04:49 woo, 10k visitors per day Dec 27 18:04:54 celebrate^2 Dec 27 18:04:58 Pre release? Avail where o.o Dec 27 18:05:02 (legally) Dec 27 18:05:02 per month Dec 27 18:05:04 sorry :D Dec 27 18:05:18 haha wazd not *too* much a difference :P Dec 27 18:05:19 * Hexagoon was joking :) Dec 27 18:05:36 AakashPatel: well, right now I have about 2k per day Dec 27 18:05:37 AakashPatel, Nokia released PR1.1 to a limited set of community testers. Dec 27 18:05:45 Oh Dec 27 18:05:47 Then nvm Dec 27 18:06:03 AakashPatel: but that's still not 10k per day ofcourse :D Dec 27 18:06:15 What site do you own? Dec 27 18:06:29 http://tabletui.wordpress.com/ Dec 27 18:06:57 I think the prerelease to testers was a great move: good for trust all round Dec 27 18:07:10 Ohh I went there yesterdya Dec 27 18:07:13 And I would personally damn to hell anyone who breached the trust Dec 27 18:07:55 wazd: was this what you wanted? http://www.flickr.com/photos/45336204@N08/4218855003/ Dec 27 18:08:14 wazd: http://irc.frals.se/maemo/browser.png Dec 27 18:08:35 doh, RevdKathy beat me to it ;) Dec 27 18:09:01 I managed to freeze things up and get 10 copies of that! Dec 27 18:09:19 Bet my two pages were more interesting than yours :p Dec 27 18:09:23 hehe Dec 27 18:09:30 frals, RevdKathy, thanks alot :) Dec 27 18:09:36 i tried to screenshot with usb in mass storage mode, god knows what happened :P Dec 27 18:10:05 RevdKathy: I'm got a redirect to yahoo login :( Dec 27 18:10:05 Oh yeah, Paddington bear trumps facebook. :p Dec 27 18:10:19 Oh damn Dec 27 18:10:34 frals: i think MyDocs gets locked when usb is connected Dec 27 18:10:57 Try again wazd Dec 27 18:10:59 should get umounted i think, but yeah, it didnt save any screenshot there for sure ;) Dec 27 18:11:08 hm Dec 27 18:11:11 mails done Dec 27 18:11:19 stupid flickr - I keep setting to public, and it keeps resetting to private Dec 27 18:11:26 RevdKathy: yeah, now it works, thanks Dec 27 18:12:23 so.. dbus-monitor --system and catching any SMSes from the smscentral, parsing the data and getting borked output from a wsp decoder (but able to read where the mms is stored), downloading mms to phone, transfering to PC and opening it in gammu+.. not too much effort to receive an MMS right? Dec 27 18:12:45 yesterday i had a personal hell trying to chmod a file in MyDocs, just to find out its formatted with fat32 ^^ Dec 27 18:13:00 hehe Dec 27 18:17:11 ok, so why does the sharing on flickr on n900 send as private, when my default is set to public? Dec 27 18:19:00 is there a linux app that can sync calendar & contacts with the n900? (i'm using the default calendar & contacts apps that it came with) Dec 27 18:19:38 hi Dec 27 18:20:56 what can go wrong when installing bash? Dec 27 18:25:54 you could render your system unbootable - when installing bash your replacing the shell Dec 27 18:26:32 9( Dec 27 18:26:35 oh Dec 27 18:26:44 but that's only *if* something goes wrong ;) Dec 27 18:26:56 can i recover? Dec 27 18:27:01 reflash Dec 27 18:27:07 ok Dec 27 18:27:34 you dont need to make that the default shell i guess Dec 27 18:27:37 and,can i just install it,letting the shell being still ash? Dec 27 18:27:42 moo all Dec 27 18:28:03 RST38h: heya Dec 27 18:28:21 mm - bash replaces the link from /bin/sh -> busybox to /bin/sh -> bash Dec 27 18:28:24 wazd: heya indeed Dec 27 18:28:41 Off to fry up leftovers - later all! Dec 27 18:29:34 and she sh link to busybox is ash ;) Dec 27 18:29:39 *the Dec 27 18:32:19 Stskeeps: and all: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/12/27/2010-ui-countdown-4-%E2%80%93-mer-menu/ Dec 27 18:32:24 hm Dec 27 18:32:52 wazd: do I sense an iPhone there? =) Dec 27 18:32:56 /bin/sh is still linked to ash Dec 27 18:33:02 good sign, i guess? Dec 27 18:33:08 i suppose;] Dec 27 18:33:24 RST38h: yeah, sort of Dec 27 18:33:36 /bin/sh is linked to /bin/busybox - witch contains ash Dec 27 18:33:40 RST38h: but quick launch is actually a good idea :) Dec 27 18:34:14 wazd: You should probably remove it from the task switcher though: it is going to have to show a lot of minimized windows, so it needs all the available screen space Dec 27 18:34:16 when you install bash, it makes the /bin/sh link point to /bin/bash instead of busybox Dec 27 18:34:40 witch contains busybox? Dec 27 18:34:47 but installing bash (should) be harmless Dec 27 18:35:00 i just installed bash and it didnt change the link Dec 27 18:35:04 RST38h: I think it has even more sense on the task switcher window, cause it appears immediately Dec 27 18:35:06 * RST38h will have to look for X-Fade tomorrow, again =( Dec 27 18:35:13 busybox is a multi-call program containing smaller programs Dec 27 18:35:33 think it would be hard to port an android app to maemo?:) Dec 27 18:35:45 mza: sure Dec 27 18:35:57 sure it would be hard? Dec 27 18:36:02 when you make a link to busybox, such as ls or cp, busybox will mimic that program Dec 27 18:36:15 mza: yes Dec 27 18:36:21 damn it Dec 27 18:36:22 (in basic terms)) Dec 27 18:37:07 as long as that program is compiled into busybox ;) Dec 27 18:37:22 wazd: Have seen HD2 sold for $1000 today Dec 27 18:37:32 wazd: Have to admit it looks mighty cool Dec 27 18:37:45 Would probably rule with a usable Mer build on it... Dec 27 18:37:57 try typing '/bin/busybox' in a terminal and you will get an idea ;) Dec 27 18:38:21 can anyone recommend good 6000mAh usb-charger? like on zagg.com Dec 27 18:38:29 could be more than 6000 too Dec 27 18:38:49 RST38h: yeah, I've used it for a while Dec 27 18:38:49 RST38h: looks on par with n800, but thinner :) Dec 27 18:39:12 or mayb ill just order http://www.zagg.com/accessories/zaggsparq.php :P Dec 27 18:39:16 bigger screen! Dec 27 18:39:24 WinMo is a huge showstopper though Dec 27 18:39:40 @LuciusMare_n900 ^ Dec 27 18:39:48 RST38h: well, I'm not that picky :) Dec 27 18:43:56 RST38h: I was thinking to order it in march from US Dec 27 18:44:19 RevdKathy, did you change the setting on the N900? Dec 27 18:44:27 RevdKathy, options when you go to upload. Dec 27 18:44:52 No Didn't change any settings, and I upload via 'share' Dec 27 18:46:47 ahh Dec 27 18:47:01 wazd: you good at thinkin up UI concepts? Dec 27 18:47:17 AakashPatel: well, it's you to Judge Dec 27 18:47:32 Eh good nuff by the look of your site posts Dec 27 18:47:33 lol Dec 27 18:47:37 mind if i PM? Dec 27 18:47:57 np Dec 27 18:50:21 GAN900 - got it - but it defaults back to 'private' every time so I will have to remember Dec 27 18:50:24 Thanks :) Dec 27 18:54:52 wazd: cool Dec 27 18:57:23 AakashPatel: it looks like google voice is already supported a bit in maemo using this telepathy plugin for the built-in conversations/call Dec 27 18:57:32 http://maemo.org/packages/view/telepathy-theonering/ Dec 27 18:57:57 Yeah, my app will be using 'special API's' though ;) Dec 27 18:58:50 well, looks early days, but thats a very smooth way to integrate into the device UI if it continues Dec 27 19:01:06 Would it be possible to make a plugin to add another SMS part to the Conversations app instead of just an IM part? Dec 27 19:02:51 my gut feeling is no, the underlying API is just telepathy and the conversations thing probably looks for / special cases "ring", the telepathy cellular backend Dec 27 19:03:24 there's a public maemo bug for adding SMS buttons to phone numbers on non-cellular protocols though Dec 27 19:03:29 some SIP services support it Dec 27 19:03:31 I'm tryin to think of the best way to integrate SMS/Voicemail/Checking different labels into maemo Dec 27 19:03:43 you should go and add your support to that bug Dec 27 19:03:52 Hm do you have a link to it? Dec 27 19:04:30 currently our belgian guys on the abook team are being ignored because the abook manager says its just weird belgian thing to want to send SMS over SIP :) Dec 27 19:04:57 Haha Dec 27 19:05:08 Stskeeps: any news on the booting front? Dec 27 19:05:20 Robot101: Do you have a link to the bug? Dec 27 19:05:21 go1dfish: no sorry, i got caught by N8x0 GL driver fun Dec 27 19:06:17 no worries, just curious, scrollback here gets huge and easy to miss Dec 27 19:06:41 AakashPatel: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6938 Dec 27 19:06:42 Bug 6938: Add UI to send SMS using SIP Dec 27 19:09:16 Hmm so for right now I guess I should make a different UI o.o Dec 27 19:11:03 AakashPatel: well, there aren't any other APIs except Telepathy to integrate into Call, Conversations and Contacts Dec 27 19:11:22 so I'd just join the protest to get that supported Dec 27 19:11:45 Ehhh Dec 27 19:11:47 :/ Dec 27 19:15:39 Robot101: Well, I guess if i created my own UI I would still add a "call with" function in the phone app Dec 27 19:15:55 And in the actual app i could have a contacts chooser for sending SMS's Dec 27 19:17:44 i "guess" what would be the next best thing for making the functionality as close as possible to the actual google.com/voice site. Dec 27 19:18:37 I with Conversations would stick all communication with a contact in the same window. Dec 27 19:19:39 ? Dec 27 19:20:00 But it currently wouldnt be possible to do it nicley Dec 27 19:20:06 nicely* Dec 27 19:20:54 s/with/wish/ Dec 27 19:20:54 GAN900 meant: I wish Conversations would stick all communication with a contact in the same window. Dec 27 19:21:02 GAN900: OH Dec 27 19:21:03 you can hook up all of the functions in the UI to google voice using a telepathy backend, which is what theonering aims to do Dec 27 19:21:36 That would be messy as hell, to integrate all the labels and stuff Dec 27 19:21:45 what labels? Dec 27 19:21:55 none of the UIs are pluggable afaik Dec 27 19:22:02 Voicemail/SMS/Recorded/etc Dec 27 19:22:07 (on the Google Voice site) Dec 27 19:22:21 you'd need to make some new UI for the features that don't exist in the built-in UIs Dec 27 19:22:28 but it has to be a separate app at that point Dec 27 19:23:07 Or extend the existing UIs. Dec 27 19:23:19 google voice not UK anyway Dec 27 19:23:26 Extend the existing UI's? o.o Dec 27 19:25:00 Can apps not in the conversation app notify the user of new messages the exact same way that the conversations app does? Dec 27 19:25:08 with the little popup bubble? Dec 27 19:25:41 SpeedEvil: ... there are no extension points in existing conversation/call/contacts except telepathy Dec 27 19:25:53 notifications are available to everyone... i think, yes. Dec 27 19:25:59 Okay good Dec 27 19:26:18 I think this may turn out nicely, even w/o integration into the conversations app Dec 27 19:27:36 hi Dec 27 19:27:56 AakashPatel: yeah notifications are available to everyone, don't know specifics though Dec 27 19:28:08 Okay Dec 27 19:28:29 does the n900 have any king of security to prevent loadding customs frimwares ?? Dec 27 19:28:58 philo: nope Dec 27 19:29:33 Robot101: Have you used the OneRing thing? Dec 27 19:29:53 AakashPatel: not tried it, no. was just suggesting it to try and avoid a duplication of effort, I dunno if the author uses IRC Dec 27 19:30:54 Ah, I was wondering if the app adds an option in the contacts list, or just only has a contacts picker in the actual conversations part itself (which I have no clue how that would work) Dec 27 19:30:56 AakashPatel: and how easy is it to brick it playing with firmware ? Dec 27 19:31:17 philo: unless you're messing with the bootloader then its almost impossible Dec 27 19:31:18 rootsh -> rm -r /* Dec 27 19:31:31 that easy Dec 27 19:31:34 :P Dec 27 19:31:41 ;) Dec 27 19:31:43 AakashPatel: i hope the bootloader is read-only ..is it ? Dec 27 19:31:44 AakashPatel: it doesn't add anything in the UI differently to how Skype or SIP do. backends can't change the UI, the UI decides what to put depending on what the backend capabilities are. Dec 27 19:32:21 philo: you can reflash the bootloader if you have a file containing it (FIASCO image), but if you just use the flasher to feed in kernel, initfs, rootfs, then its fine. no bricking problems. Dec 27 19:32:23 Ah, so can external apps add a "call with" funcion in the phone app? or is that lockdd down? Dec 27 19:32:24 philo, if you're using the UI w/o extras-devel, I'd say it's a bit hard to brick it Dec 27 19:32:33 unless you fill rootfs with apps Dec 27 19:33:08 AakashPatel: the phone app only makes calls from the log, the real question you want to ask is the contacts app, where in yes, eg SIP or Skype can add a button to call PSTN numbers using that backend Dec 27 19:33:22 Ahhh Dec 27 19:33:28 So...no then Dec 27 19:33:35 what? yes. Dec 27 19:33:41 wait what Dec 27 19:33:43 MohammadAG: i am looking for an affordable platform to do some embedded dev... i wont even use maemo on it Dec 27 19:33:44 * AakashPatel reads it again Dec 27 19:34:04 if you implement a telepathy backend and you tell the UI that it can do PSTN calls, then contacts adds a call button for PSTN numbers using your backend Dec 27 19:34:06 Oh Dec 27 19:34:08 are those things documented somewhere ? Dec 27 19:34:11 Ohh Dec 27 19:34:14 thats how SIP and Skype work Dec 27 19:34:27 you won't use maemo? Dec 27 19:34:27 so the only think limiting is sending SMS's via SIP and stuff Dec 27 19:34:34 the main OS is maemo Dec 27 19:34:38 the only annoying thing IMO is that you can't tell it to add an SMS button. right. Dec 27 19:34:52 and atm you can't install any other one (not sure if easydebian would work)'\ Dec 27 19:34:53 for features which are totally not included in the normal UIs, like voicemail, you'd need to make your own UI Dec 27 19:34:58 - the symbols * Dec 27 19:35:10 Thats very reasonable I suppose Dec 27 19:35:21 philo: maybe you should look at a Beagleboard instead? Dec 27 19:35:26 I'll just interate everything into a single app, like the Android version of Google Voice does Dec 27 19:35:49 Hey fellow maemo-ers! Dec 27 19:36:02 Yo Dec 27 19:36:10 AakashPatel: ah well, shame. Dec 27 19:36:17 ml-N900: yea exactly , i think i need somehting more complete, wifi , accelorometer etc... Dec 27 19:36:19 Merry Christmas Dec 27 19:36:42 Robot101: I know, but theres really no nice way to make it integrated into Conversations w/o makign it like an IM app, which i donttt want to do Dec 27 19:36:45 ml-N900: and when i had up the price of daugther board the price of the n900 doesnt look that bad Dec 27 19:36:47 MohammadAG, your definition of "brick" is not applicable here. :) Dec 27 19:36:49 I want it to act like actual SMS Dec 27 19:36:54 and fee like it Dec 27 19:36:57 feel* Dec 27 19:37:17 User experience ftl Dec 27 19:37:20 >.< Dec 27 19:37:20 GAN900, well yeah, you can fix it in terminal Dec 27 19:37:33 AakashPatel: what do you mean "like an IM app"? the IM and SMS experience are practically identical in Conversations Dec 27 19:37:36 but for a normal user, it's considered a brick Dec 27 19:37:48 MohammadAG, not. Dec 27 19:37:54 MohammadAG, it's flashable. Dec 27 19:37:56 philo: possibly, but doing embedded programming makes having a JTAG indispensible Dec 27 19:38:07 MohammadAG, "brick" mean unrecoverable. Period. Dec 27 19:38:07 Robot101: Are apps allowed to remove the "status indicator" in the IM app? while in conversations? Dec 27 19:38:16 ml-N900: good point maybe the pandora would be better Dec 27 19:38:20 MohammadAG: someone who wants to replace the OS with the flasher is not a normal user anyway, so, its not very helpful say "yes you could make it so your grandmother couldn't use it" :P Dec 27 19:38:27 MohammadAG, and OMAP3 can't get to that point. Dec 27 19:38:28 haha Dec 27 19:38:45 lol Dec 27 19:38:50 any one knows where i can read a bit more on the n900 boot loader ? Dec 27 19:38:57 AakashPatel: "apps" = telepathy backends, backends that don't support presence don't show a presence indicator. Dec 27 19:39:09 GAN900, most ppl refer to a device as bricked when it doesn't boot up Dec 27 19:39:16 several of which are on tmo Dec 27 19:39:16 philo, it's Nokia proprietary. Dec 27 19:39:20 zomg Dec 27 19:39:26 So then it would act like SMS :0 Dec 27 19:39:36 GAN900: hummm ok Dec 27 19:39:41 MohammadAG, an unfortunate miss use of the term. Dec 27 19:39:53 MohammadAG, and not relevant to the context here. :) Dec 27 19:39:59 GAN900, thanks for the correction ;) Dec 27 19:40:06 AakashPatel: if that was your main concern, yes. thats why I want them to support an SMS button for non-cellular backends in the contacts app :P Dec 27 19:40:30 Ah Dec 27 19:40:41 MohammadAG, as philo is talking about embedded development, it's fairly safe to assume he doesn't intend the end-user "definition" Dec 27 19:41:01 * AakashPatel tries to figure out how to integrate picking contacts to send messages to Dec 27 19:41:07 GAN900: yea fairly safe .. i have an iphone for that Dec 27 19:41:13 Robot101, I just wish it wouldn't offer one for landline numbers. ;) Dec 27 19:41:46 GAN900, got it :) Dec 27 19:41:51 lol philo Dec 27 19:42:34 AakashPatel: you can make a separate app which queries the address book for contacts with phone numbers, and then initiates a conversation with them via telepathy, which would appear in the normal Conversations app Dec 27 19:42:40 philo, if you want an open cellular device then you want Maemo and the N900, if you want a dev platform then you might consider something OMAP35x based. Dec 27 19:43:02 AakashPatel: we did something similar for joining chat rooms, although it doesn't work with the normal Conversations app yet :) Dec 27 19:43:39 Zoom II! Dec 27 19:43:41 philo, looked at the beagleboard? Dec 27 19:44:16 ShadowJK: yes and i will probably end up getting it ... i just want something more complete Dec 27 19:44:24 Hmm I intall th One Voice or whatever Dec 27 19:44:28 i cant figure out how to use it haha Dec 27 19:46:04 I think the newest models have an OMAP35xx Dec 27 19:46:34 AakashPatel: unless they wrote an accounts plugin too, you need to use mc-tool on the console to make an account for it Dec 27 19:46:43 o.o Dec 27 19:46:46 oh my Dec 27 19:47:31 GAN900: what if i want a dev platform with cellular capability ? Dec 27 19:47:47 philo, Zoom II Dec 27 19:47:56 googling.... Dec 27 19:48:13 philo, 'course it depends a bit on how bare metal you're getting. Dec 27 19:48:47 Robot101: if i do it the way you siad, by creating a diff app to let hte user choose contacts and then initiate the convo through the IM app Dec 27 19:49:25 would that way require the usre to auth via the accounts app? Dec 27 19:49:35 or would that be all handled via the extern app? Dec 27 19:49:40 * AakashPatel is new to telepathy Dec 27 19:49:46 (which im sure you can tell :P) Dec 27 19:49:58 the accounts plugin would create the user's account(s) in telepathy Dec 27 19:50:05 but you can plug in whatever UI you want/need into that Dec 27 19:50:19 thats the one place you /can/ plug in new UI Dec 27 19:50:23 I'm having issues with scratchbox, should I take them up here or somewhere else? Dec 27 19:50:36 GAN900: ok cost 1150 ? lol Dec 27 19:51:05 ? Dec 27 19:51:22 anybody familliar with maemo.org rating system? Dec 27 19:51:40 Robot101: Ah okay, does the IM app require the user to be in the contacts list to send/ recieve messages? Or can the plugin inject a message w/o needed that? Dec 27 19:51:50 user/contact* Dec 27 19:52:15 (sorry forall these questions, im just tryin to work out all the details) Dec 27 19:52:18 hi Dec 27 19:52:22 anybody got running maemo on freerunner? Dec 27 19:52:46 AakashPatel: the current app requires that for IM, but not for SMS. Dec 27 19:52:52 running maemo on anything except tablets is impossible Dec 27 19:53:18 AakashPatel: there's no limit to who you can IM. you can type in random IDs if you pick "Send IM to" from the menu Dec 27 19:53:35 :0 Oh Dec 27 19:53:42 wazd: what do you mean? I run the emulator/scratchbox fine (but with issues) on my laptop Dec 27 19:54:09 ... Dec 27 19:54:09 AakashPatel: (and, another app can request and create conversations with other people) Dec 27 19:54:11 Robot101: oh, nice Dec 27 19:54:30 LuciusMare: Mer is your best bet: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Dec 27 19:54:30 ceda: I can run maemo on HD2 via VNC too Dec 27 19:54:47 ceda: but that's not "running maemo on portable device" Dec 27 19:55:01 it's a bit sad though that all channels aren't put together into one (SMS, IM, email, ...) Dec 27 19:55:22 Robot101: Okay, if someone SMS's me first, the plugin will be able to chose whether to display what information to display in the info of who the IM was from, right? Dec 27 19:56:42 s/whether// Dec 27 19:56:43 AakashPatel meant: Robot101: Okay, if someone SMS's me first, the plugin will be able to chose to display what information to display in the info of who the IM was from, right? Dec 27 19:57:09 I' having a hard time transferring a file with gnomevfs-copy. What's the destination urli format for bluetooth? Dec 27 19:58:17 I'm using obex://\[00:11:22:33:44:55\]/ but i'm getting an error Dec 27 19:59:10 AakashPatel: you can provide aliases from the backend, yes. Dec 27 19:59:32 Awesome Dec 27 20:00:00 telepathy isn't too bad I don't think... :) Dec 27 20:00:24 haha true that Dec 27 20:00:27 very flexible Dec 27 20:00:31 I would lovd to refer to bt-devices by their humanreadable name Dec 27 20:01:44 jo Dec 27 20:01:46 any info at least on the boot process of the n900 ? Dec 27 20:02:10 vpn working .. Dec 27 20:02:37 Also, leaving the escape char \ out doesn't solve this Dec 27 20:02:55 * RST38h moos triumphantly: VMS return-from-console-mode-crash diagnosed Dec 27 20:02:56 is it normal/bad firmware that the front cam shows a dark band on the right side or is my cam just broken? Dec 27 20:03:05 (apart from the really bad quality) Dec 27 20:03:07 all front cams have random crap Dec 27 20:03:11 moo Dec 27 20:03:35 Hi! Any xkb experts here? Dec 27 20:03:51 ed_b a little bit Dec 27 20:03:51 i mean 1-2 cm from the right side are quite much darker Dec 27 20:04:12 cehteh, firmware. Dec 27 20:04:32 woglinde: Hurray! Can you tell me how to get current hw keyboard layout on N900? Dec 27 20:04:33 not the other noise and crap .. Dec 27 20:04:54 hi Dec 27 20:05:15 i hope that will improve at least to cheap webcam status soon :/ ... my 12Eur logitech webcam can do much better than the n900 Dec 27 20:07:03 cehteh: thats about 250 times more expensive than the front camera... :P Dec 27 20:07:12 Haha Dec 27 20:07:18 prolly Dec 27 20:07:27 woglinde: Just in case. I put all details of the problem here: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-December/023227.html Dec 27 20:07:35 This is beginning to umravel, i'm looking into /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules and i see no bt-stuff there Dec 27 20:09:41 woglinde_ ??? Dec 27 20:09:53 ed_b try dumpkeys Dec 27 20:10:29 * RST38h moos at Ed Bartosh, for a change Dec 27 20:11:26 Ed_B: hello there :) Dec 27 20:11:35 I don't see dumpkeys on the N900. Which package is it? Dec 27 20:11:42 hm console-tools Dec 27 20:11:45 on normal pc Dec 27 20:11:58 like loadkeys Dec 27 20:12:05 wazd Hi! Dec 27 20:12:32 is the SDK installer supposed to work with karmic?:) Dec 27 20:12:46 cause it aint Dec 27 20:13:23 Ed_B: do you mean something like xmodmap -pke ? Dec 27 20:13:46 Oh maemo, would those windows that just "slide up" but dont go up all the way, considered popup windows? Dec 27 20:14:06 My point is that i'm trying to move a single file over bt Dec 27 20:14:24 AakashPatel: those are considered modal dialogs Dec 27 20:14:35 or in some cases system modal Dec 27 20:14:51 Hmm Dec 27 20:14:53 is there a app which makes photos with the frontcam? Dec 27 20:14:59 matan: Not exactly. I just want to know which of two configured layouts is active. Dec 27 20:15:13 cehteh: why would want to is the real question ;) Dec 27 20:15:13 cehteh: there is Mirror, which will show you the output of the frontcam Dec 27 20:15:27 and after seeing it you will realize why there isn't one Dec 27 20:15:40 So true. Dec 27 20:15:41 Ed_B: everything went fine with DDP? :) Dec 27 20:15:55 supposedly it's just waiting for firmware improvements Dec 27 20:16:03 matan: the idea is to be able to switch between them programmatically. Dec 27 20:16:29 make a n900 theft protection .. if proximity sensor is free, and bright enough and n900 got shaken recently then take frontcam photos and push them with geotag to server :) Dec 27 20:16:35 wazd: Yes, everything went just fine. Thank you! Dec 27 20:16:55 Ed_B: well, no poroblem :) Dec 27 20:17:20 Ed_B: setxkbmap -print Dec 27 20:17:40 anyone know a way to force trackerd to reindex Dec 27 20:17:56 media player and photo app can't find anything for some reason right now Dec 27 20:18:19 matan: been there. It always prints out the same layout. Dec 27 20:18:24 and in File Browser... Dec 27 20:18:47 Documents, Music, Photos, Pictures and Videos each get listed twice Dec 27 20:19:27 though the corresponding dirs are only present once Dec 27 20:20:23 go1dfish: does it just think usb is connected and the doc partition is unmounted? Dec 27 20:21:12 cehteh: nah I've had that happen before Dec 27 20:21:15 MyDocs is mounted Dec 27 20:21:19 and the problem persists across reboots Dec 27 20:21:32 im wondering if I should try wiping out .cache/tracker Dec 27 20:22:19 and .local/share/tracker Dec 27 20:24:17 mhm .. iptables, policy based routing .. i think i need a new kernel soon Dec 27 20:24:39 cehteh: encryption Dec 27 20:24:42 that too Dec 27 20:24:48 thats already longer on my list Dec 27 20:37:11 is there screen available for maemo in some repo? Dec 27 20:37:14 was not able to find it Dec 27 20:37:51 just take the debian package and recompile it Dec 27 20:39:04 only 4 console available..this would need to be change before finding screen usefull Dec 27 20:39:44 Hi, I am having some problems with internet connectivity from applications such as browser and the application manger from within the Virtual Image SDK. I have the scratchbox environment resolving DNS and have fixed the nokia apt proxy,, so I can apt-get from the scratchbox console, but if I wish to test connectivity (before starting to code...) from one of the maemo applications I receive connection errors Dec 27 20:40:04 I can't find anyhting on this in the wiki's/dev guides Dec 27 20:40:15 Any help/guidance/pointing to the obvious web page (that I can't find) would be appreciated Dec 27 20:40:49 * Arkenoi just watched a movie: n900, 3m mpro 120 and a0 paper sheet as a screen. surprisingly not a bad experience. Dec 27 20:41:10 an0nym1te: this is a regular problem i had on all sdk Dec 27 20:41:31 each time it was because of /etc/resolv.conf not having the "right" setting (wich i do not recall) Dec 27 20:41:35 Arkenoi: nerd :D Dec 27 20:41:49 or because some copy of /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf were not set accordingly Dec 27 20:41:56 scracthbox and name resolution is always messy Dec 27 20:42:10 melmoth: I have fixed the /etc/resolv.conf for /scratchbox Dec 27 20:42:36 Also the apt proxy issue with teh 99Proxy file Dec 27 20:42:47 never heard of a proxy issue Dec 27 20:42:48 From scratchbox I can wget/apt-get Dec 27 20:42:56 it is in the Maemo 5 SDK Dec 27 20:43:11 but if you are using a proxy, the application will need to be aware of it and use libconic (if i remember correctly) Dec 27 20:43:16 There is an http proxy configured for nokia Dec 27 20:43:24 I am not using a proxy Dec 27 20:43:30 I removed the procy config for apt Dec 27 20:43:35 As I am not a nokian Dec 27 20:43:49 There is some inof on this out on the web Dec 27 20:44:05 it is fixed now Dec 27 20:44:29 the issue is with apps launched within the hildon-application-launcher Dec 27 20:44:38 none of them seem to have connectivity Dec 27 20:45:02 so I can install apps with apt-get from scratchbox Dec 27 20:45:31 and even see the packages in maemo applicationmanager (after apt-get updating from scratchbox cli) Dec 27 20:45:42 but I can't download from it Dec 27 20:45:53 nor can I get web pages in teh browser Dec 27 20:46:20 try with some ip instead of name, just to check if it s yet another resolv.conf strageness or a routing issue Dec 27 20:46:24 i bet for name resolution problem Dec 27 20:46:39 ok I will double check Dec 27 20:50:24 your right Dec 27 20:50:38 it is DNS resolution Dec 27 20:51:57 The overall scratchbox /etc/resolv.conf is correct, bjut I left the individual scratchbox target resolv.conf as 127.0.0.1 as I read somewhere that it was supposed to be configured that way Dec 27 20:53:01 Is there not supposed to be some sort of internet connection daemon that handles the different connectivity methods then serves up a cached DNS? Dec 27 20:53:06 Arkenoi: does not look very goo on flat panels though Dec 27 20:53:51 javispedro's screenshots of GLES1.1 on N8x0: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=443213&postcount=369 Dec 27 20:54:01 uh Dec 27 20:54:11 did nokia provided the libs now? Dec 27 20:54:15 javis finally got his wish come true :) Dec 27 20:54:51 ~seen javispedro Dec 27 20:54:53 javispedro is currently on #maemo (6h 24m 10s). Has said a total of 19 messages. Is idling for 5h 55m 32s, last said: 'and maemo.org is still slow :) well, I see things have not changed much. Good :)'. Dec 27 20:55:00 hi wogline :) Dec 27 20:55:08 ouch. hi woglinde :) Dec 27 20:55:16 hm whats with gles libs? Dec 27 20:55:18 hey javispedro Dec 27 20:55:26 and hi javispedro Dec 27 20:55:34 hi RST38h Dec 27 20:55:58 woglinde: TI and imgtec Dec 27 20:56:04 you see, the ball started rolling a few weeks ago :) Dec 27 20:56:23 stskeep officaly? or only for barcelona? Dec 27 20:56:39 javispedro: So, is GLES on n8x0 really worth it? Dec 27 20:56:44 woglinde: wasn't in barcelona, but this is going to be a official release Dec 27 20:57:14 when when? Dec 27 20:57:40 http://gizmodo.com/5434970/another-nwa-amsterdamdetroit-flight-requests-emergency-assistance Dec 27 20:57:53 RST38h: I still don't know the actual performance (needs "manual" refresh), but at least we already know it allows 800x480 surfaces Dec 27 20:58:16 * RST38h now sincerely believes that if he read that "Nigerian Christmas" spam to its end, he would be already flying to Detroid with a firecracker hidden in his ass. Dec 27 20:58:27 Detroit Dec 27 20:59:08 memetic virii ftw Dec 27 21:01:09 Time to power down... 'Night all! Dec 27 21:01:27 Night. Dec 27 21:01:32 nite kathy Dec 27 21:01:52 RST38h: spam? I've just been getting viruses. Dec 27 21:03:16 timeless: can i ask microb to tell me why it doesn't load a certain component? Dec 27 21:08:53 http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmrdsnotify/ Dec 27 21:08:55 Cool Dec 27 21:08:59 No BT required Dec 27 21:09:22 isn't there a RDS receiver too btw? Dec 27 21:10:03 should be Dec 27 21:10:13 MSN Protocol Plugin for Maemo 5 replaces Butterfly? Dec 27 21:10:26 or did they rename it or something,s ince it appeared as an update Dec 27 21:11:41 SDK installer can't find maemo-tool Dec 27 21:11:47 was it renamed to maemo-sdk? Dec 27 21:12:29 maemo-tools excuse me Dec 27 21:18:16 rst38h: btw i found controls i need bring audio output back to internal speakers, just saved amixer output with and without cable to a file, ran diff and changed the appropriate values back Dec 27 21:20:20 i want to make a deb package for libdespotify, where to start? do i have to upload the full svn tree to garage? Dec 27 21:20:36 Arkenoi: Ehehe Dec 27 21:20:46 Stskeeps, FM Radio has RDS now. Dec 27 21:21:24 It is a 5MB+ install though Dec 27 21:23:14 can anyone think of a way to play the twit-stream on an n900 (http://bglive-a.bitgravity.com/twit/live/low )? It stutters using the browser and when using mplayer video is way too slow. Dec 27 21:23:30 mplayer is not using dsp Dec 27 21:24:11 but the flash-player should? Dec 27 21:24:26 I don't think so. Dec 27 21:24:28 hm dont think so Dec 27 21:24:31 That might actually optimise it. Dec 27 21:24:32 süeedevil *g* Dec 27 21:24:37 And flash can never do that. Dec 27 21:24:51 recent tests of youtube 'hd' flash. Dec 27 21:25:00 mplayer - 60fps - flash ~4. Dec 27 21:25:03 speedevil on windows the new beta flashplayer uses the hw gfx stuff Dec 27 21:26:25 so no twit live for me ;( Dec 27 21:28:12 is there an app for making an ad-hoc wifi network? Dec 27 21:28:27 GAN900: cool Dec 27 21:28:43 luciusmare its in connections Dec 27 21:28:48 But man is scrolling broken Dec 27 21:29:30 gan900 I tried FM Transmitter today in the car.. it worked ONCE and only by sticking the N900 on top of the car radio display :( is its power that poor? Dec 27 21:30:05 Anidel: you have to place it where it reaches the car antenna Dec 27 21:30:12 Anidel: mine worked in two separate cars beautifully from the back seat Dec 27 21:30:19 if the antenna is on the roof its a bit hard but it works well Dec 27 21:30:25 yeah i used it too Dec 27 21:30:32 I thought so.. will give a second shot next days... Dec 27 21:30:37 its not really powerful, but never failed Dec 27 21:31:00 sometimes you have to search some good position and choose a channel which is not occupied Dec 27 21:31:01 when I tried with an antenna on the roof... Dec 27 21:31:08 your antenna is probably shielded inside the car, not to get too much disturbance from the electrics inside Dec 27 21:31:12 I had to clip it to the headliner in my e51 case Dec 27 21:31:19 you can try to hijack a radio broadcast .. but that is more fragile Dec 27 21:31:31 right.. that all makes sense Dec 27 21:31:46 the only times I've had issues with the TM transmitter has been when there is a radio broadcast on the same frequency. Dec 27 21:31:57 my n900 hijacked a normal radio broadcast. It silenced the broadcast completely, and all the UI clicks came through, loud and clear :) Dec 27 21:32:26 what's annoying that when n900 is silent, but sending, it keeps doing some chirp on the transmission Dec 27 21:32:38 I guess it's a mandatory behavior, because I don't quite see the point.. Dec 27 21:32:38 now, bedtime Dec 27 21:32:41 ah, the wifi transmitter. Dec 27 21:32:44 cool, thanks.. going to watch a movie on the n900 (with subs) attached to the TV Dec 27 21:32:45 er.. the fmtx. Dec 27 21:32:49 ttyl Dec 27 21:33:07 night wolfie Dec 27 21:33:21 yeah .. strongest signal wins .. and radio transmission signal power is sqrt(distance) Dec 27 21:33:45 though the fmtx power in the n900 is ... ridiculous Dec 27 21:33:55 so even with soem milliwatts you can shadow a 100KW FM tower when you are close to the receiver Dec 27 21:34:03 fortunately, using it with headphones and a little bit of v4l magic is easy enough ;) Dec 27 21:34:15 s/headphones/"external antenna" Dec 27 21:34:34 if it would have more power people would complain that it sucks the battery too much :P Dec 27 21:35:14 the radio receiver inside is really poor .. i never got a good fm signal Dec 27 21:35:23 I guess it has more to do with FCC regulations... Dec 27 21:35:28 javispedro: you notice an improvement in fmtx with headphones plugged in? Dec 27 21:35:37 cehteh, and it's annoying that it needs an external antennae :) Dec 27 21:35:47 won't work with my new shiny bt-headset.. Dec 27 21:35:47 goldfish: "improvement" is a small word to describe it. Dec 27 21:35:55 flux: well FM is that. .. and i only used headphone Dec 27 21:36:05 the fmrx is of the usual quality. Dec 27 21:36:12 I can hear some of the nearest stations without external antenna Dec 27 21:36:14 docscrutinizer, and I've finally established that the unit works just fine :) Dec 27 21:36:23 maybe my headphones are not a good antenna Dec 27 21:36:28 cehteh, I wonder though how would the unit send FM signal without one.. Dec 27 21:36:41 flux: sending is not that much a problem Dec 27 21:36:46 perhaps part of the reason why it doesn't send that great ;) Dec 27 21:37:06 look at the pcb there is a antenna (copper line) around Dec 27 21:37:18 and the same copper line doesn't work for receiving? Dec 27 21:37:23 but for reception is more worse Dec 27 21:37:28 nope Dec 27 21:37:49 at least not for me .. reception is mostly noise Dec 27 21:38:09 well, it could be that the units simply aren't wired so that the antenna could be used by the receiver Dec 27 21:38:33 * Arkenoi sees the main purpose of fm transmitter is to override annoying radio locally, too bad it does not really work this way Dec 27 21:38:46 arkenoi, :) Dec 27 21:38:58 * cehteh waits for a tv-be-gone irreco hack :) Dec 27 21:39:15 heheh Dec 27 21:39:25 I just today used the transmitter (with great success) to listen music for an hour, while driving back home Dec 27 21:39:39 needed to pick a better frequency first, though Dec 27 21:41:05 banshee claims my phone doesn't support .mov Dec 27 21:41:06 =( Dec 27 21:41:27 (can't say I'm surprised) Dec 27 21:41:39 mplayer ftw Dec 27 21:41:51 having no dsp ftw? Dec 27 21:42:15 i haven't tested it in the Media Player Yet Dec 27 21:42:21 maybe that doesnt matter .. unless you want to play HD Dec 27 21:42:46 I've found it does matter, even for sd :/ Dec 27 21:42:53 "The mov format is not supported by the device, and no converter was found to convert it" Dec 27 21:56:32 well, the phone seems to play it fine Dec 27 22:00:08 * Arkenoi noticed that n900 drops frames quite visible way on 624 x 352 24fps XviD Dec 27 22:00:42 the video playback is almost smooth, but not completely smooth Dec 27 22:04:15 Arkenoi: depends Dec 27 22:04:34 Arkenoi: I had a few movies where you could see frames being dropped (moving trains, cars etc) Dec 27 22:04:46 * wazd ponders about E63 Dec 27 22:04:56 Arkenoi: Then someone familiar with video editing said that the movies were encoded at 15fps :) Dec 27 22:05:05 * lcuk pokes javispedro with a sharp polygon Dec 27 22:05:35 hey rst Dec 27 22:05:49 hi lcuk Dec 27 22:06:00 Arkenoi: Aside from that, the only time I have seen N900 drop frames is if Modest decides to check for email in the background and the device has been on for several days Dec 27 22:06:05 lcuk: moo Dec 27 22:06:26 Arkenoi: The sluggishness problem after several days still requires research though Dec 27 22:06:44 strangely enough rst i dont notice this Dec 27 22:06:58 its rare i reboot or poweroff Dec 27 22:07:15 and not because of suckage like ive seen you describe Dec 27 22:07:17 * RST38h had to reboot his n900 tonight, after it started acting up (gsm stuff crashed, no top button menu, etc) Dec 27 22:07:30 lcuk: 42.11? Dec 27 22:07:52 at the time, yeah Dec 27 22:08:05 weird Dec 27 22:08:12 different usage cases Dec 27 22:08:13 lcuk: Could you do this experiment Dec 27 22:08:23 lcuk: No I do not think usage cases are relevant here Dec 27 22:08:38 ok gfi Dec 27 22:08:38 lcuk: Keep your device up for 4-7 days without reboot Dec 27 22:08:59 lcuk: Then try starting some apps (Xterm, video player, browser) and shooting photos Dec 27 22:09:04 i cannot promise that Dec 27 22:09:11 i can try Dec 27 22:09:12 lcuk: Check if these operations feel sluggish Dec 27 22:09:24 as ive said, ive not noticed that happening for me Dec 27 22:09:25 lcuk: Do not go out of your way to test this of course Dec 27 22:09:34 ive got 2 devices Dec 27 22:09:44 at least one of them routinely lasts longer than the other Dec 27 22:09:48 lcuk: But many people I talked to confirmed what I am seeing, so the problem is apparently there Dec 27 22:09:58 lcuk: have you tried swapping the batteries? Dec 27 22:09:59 indeed Dec 27 22:10:07 and may again be linked to usage patterns Dec 27 22:10:20 go1dfish, swapping the batteries tends to upset uptime, but yeah Dec 27 22:10:38 ok, Dec 27 22:10:56 speak to you in 4-7 days RST38h Dec 27 22:11:15 ah, I am sure we will converse before that :) Dec 27 22:11:17 gnite RST38h Dec 27 22:11:21 g'nite Dec 27 22:11:22 lol Dec 27 22:11:24 nite Dec 27 22:11:46 * lcuk will prolly be offline for a minimum of 24h from tomorrow Dec 27 22:12:00 maybe longer Dec 27 22:12:23 cehteh: what's the range on the ir transmitter Dec 27 22:12:36 I havent managed to get irreco working on anything yet Dec 27 22:12:41 go1dfish: no idea, told to be poor Dec 27 22:12:47 and is it correct that there is no ir receiver? Dec 27 22:12:48 i didnt tried yet Dec 27 22:13:21 go1dfish, X-Fade tried the ir, he said 2-3metres i believe Dec 27 22:13:30 not overly powerful but also not useless either Dec 27 22:13:45 thats not horrible, better than the IR port on my Prism and Zaurii Dec 27 22:14:16 RST38h: lcuk: those ops will feel slugish as PR1.0 has some serious memory leaks still Dec 27 22:14:18 any e63 users in here? :) Dec 27 22:14:36 hopefully all serious leaks are gone with PR1.1 :-/ Dec 27 22:14:37 tbf, which ops are these - do you know what the leak is from? Dec 27 22:14:49 is it agtk leak or an x11 leak or an app in general leak? Dec 27 22:14:59 cos that might explain why i dont see them and others do Dec 27 22:15:00 yeah I reboot mine at least once every couple of das Dec 27 22:15:05 lcuk: some of the home applets for instance Dec 27 22:15:16 ahh i have minimum Dec 27 22:15:28 tbf: hildon desktop itself also Dec 27 22:15:29 go1dfish: No IR receiver. Dec 27 22:15:36 lcuk: i know of the contact applet and the google search applet loosing lots of memory Dec 27 22:15:50 infact, i have 1 applet Dec 27 22:15:56 media player Dec 27 22:16:04 oooh 2 Dec 27 22:16:07 ip address Dec 27 22:16:13 the rest are buttons and links Dec 27 22:16:17 tbf: you're refferring to the google specific one, not touchsearch correct? Dec 27 22:16:37 touchsearch is one of the few applets I have enabled Dec 27 22:16:39 Robot101: well, most hildon desktop leaks are applet leaks in fact because of the in-process insanity Dec 27 22:16:59 in process plugins arent "memory leaks" by default Dec 27 22:17:13 thats not the problem, its actually difficult to get out of process widgets Dec 27 22:17:23 go1dfish: yup. the google specific Dec 27 22:17:29 really not that hard with a compositor Dec 27 22:17:38 cool, any read on how well behaved the ap news widget is? Dec 27 22:17:38 lcuk: X11 makes it trivial, but some moron thought they would cause too much overhead Dec 27 22:17:54 lcuk: seems that moron didn't hear about COW and such Dec 27 22:17:56 thats the only halfway active widget I have, besides personal IP, and the media player applet Dec 27 22:17:57 make a window with alpha, hint it, and the compositor can swallow it and throw it wherever it wants on the desktop Dec 27 22:18:08 * lcuk wonders if these things are simple, wheres the concept for them so we can build something better from Dec 27 22:18:24 tbf: out of process widgets are supported in Maemo5? or is that coming in 6? Dec 27 22:18:32 go1dfish: they are Dec 27 22:18:51 go1dfish: the contacts applet is one of them. the only one? Dec 27 22:18:57 is planned for 6 for sure, as are UI / engine separated widgets so you can have >1 instance without nonsense going on :) Dec 27 22:19:03 i thought inprocess was the normal way to do plugins in pretty much any system Dec 27 22:19:22 par for the scourse so to speak Dec 27 22:19:24 lcuk: yes, thats what plugin means. but widgets don't have to be plugins. Dec 27 22:19:25 -s Dec 27 22:19:36 lcuk: panel applets in GNOME are able to be separate processes for example Dec 27 22:19:45 thats just X embedding, no compositing fanciness Dec 27 22:19:46 do many make use of it? Dec 27 22:19:48 tbf: cool, just wondering I dont use the contacts applet currently Dec 27 22:19:50 bonobo rather than d-bus, but even so Dec 27 22:20:01 but knowing it's out of process might make me more likely to try it Dec 27 22:20:02 x11 really is supremely clever isnt it Dec 27 22:20:26 lcuk: I don't know if clever is the word I'd use Dec 27 22:20:30 extremely flexible Dec 27 22:20:46 people come up with all kinds of clever things to do with it Dec 27 22:20:49 lcuk: I see 6 separate process applets on this desktop Dec 27 22:21:07 cool Dec 27 22:21:10 lcuk: just doesn't help if those days programmers come with windows background and believe windows specific crap like "processes are much heavier than threads" and such Dec 27 22:22:22 Robot101, so does the host still maintain an inprocess stub with the main bulk coming via reparenting Dec 27 22:22:36 or is it all just x11 mangling Dec 27 22:22:36 fork() costs you exactly one page at minimum. incredibly heavy, isn't it? Dec 27 22:23:45 GoddamnitL Dec 27 22:28:45 lcuk: its just x11 mangling if you do something with x embedding or compositing, no stub Dec 27 22:29:08 cool Dec 27 22:31:21 blah. Dec 27 22:31:23 No symbol "context_value" in current context. Dec 27 22:31:28 I hate you, gdb Dec 27 22:31:34 and gcc and whoever. Dec 27 22:32:26 -O0 ftw Dec 27 22:32:52 tbf, have they fixed the template support in gdb already? :> Dec 27 22:33:20 wolf^, template support? Dec 27 22:33:58 theres gdb7.0 test version which works with qt, after the holidays the finalversion of that should be updated to the sdk somewhere Dec 27 22:34:16 tbf, what you debugging? Dec 27 22:34:36 lcuk, template class a{ a( T b ) { ... } }; Dec 27 22:34:42 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6298 Dec 27 22:34:44 Bug 6298: gdb 6.8 very unstable, please upgrade to >=7.0 Dec 27 22:34:57 lcuk, gdb did not work with such a thing Dec 27 22:35:16 then its not been fixed Dec 27 22:35:48 lcuk: wolf^: libdbus-glib. plain C Dec 27 22:35:56 i prefer to use printf instead of gdb Dec 27 22:36:03 it's that bad Dec 27 22:36:37 ml-N900: -O0 disables useful warnings Dec 27 22:36:37 tbf, had the same problem with missing variables which obviously were used Dec 27 22:36:40 no solution though Dec 27 22:36:57 wolf^: well, "-O0" like ml-N900 suggested Dec 27 22:37:18 but that's also just a really bad work around Dec 27 22:37:24 tbf, except it does not help Dec 27 22:38:23 hmm. still should try harry's gdb7 package Dec 27 22:39:23 yes and let me know if that works, its almost identical to the 70 standard, but the servers closed down for xmas before i could update it Dec 27 22:41:36 wow. in this special case gdb7 is worse: it just skips to end of function for dbus-glib's invoke_object_method Dec 27 22:41:47 on this statement: Dec 27 22:41:48 if (strcmp (string_table_lookup (get_method_data (object_info, method), 2), "A") == 0) Dec 27 22:41:48 call_only = TRUE; Dec 27 22:41:48 else Dec 27 22:41:48 call_only = FALSE; Dec 27 22:42:09 well, seems i shall install a -O0 version of libdbus-glib :-/ Dec 27 22:42:11 bah. Dec 27 22:42:25 RST38h: asleep? Dec 27 22:42:31 are you on actual hardware Dec 27 22:42:38 or in armel on scratchbox or x86? Dec 27 22:43:08 lcuk: scatchbox, x86 target, 64bit host Dec 27 22:44:43 mm Dec 27 22:47:35 ty tbf Dec 27 22:51:36 http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-50196-6.html ← 400 km/h with this primitive windows and those large gaps between the wagons... Dec 27 22:52:10 seems any jet is silent compared to this train Dec 27 22:52:35 Hochgeschwindigkeitsstrecke Dec 27 22:52:41 is this a word? :D Dec 27 22:53:02 or someone fell asleep on the keyboard? :D Dec 27 22:53:11 wazd: yes it is. Dec 27 22:53:13 hi Dec 27 22:53:26 wazd: compound noun. high speed track Dec 27 22:53:53 when i try to make an ad-hoc wifi network,i get to the key selecting,i choose all keys the same (abcdefgh) but it always tells me "incorrect characters". Dec 27 22:53:57 any ideas? Dec 27 22:54:01 tbf: seriously, that's a damn long word :) Dec 27 22:54:25 LuciusMare make an not encrypting ad-hoc network Dec 27 22:54:32 oh, I see trecke Dec 27 22:54:43 that means "tracks" I guess Dec 27 22:54:55 woglinde: but i want an encrypted network Dec 27 22:54:57 Hoch is "high" Dec 27 22:55:24 wazd: yup, geschwindigkeit is the monster Dec 27 22:55:25 and the 3rd part is speed I guess :D Dec 27 22:55:35 lol Dec 27 22:56:20 wazd: "geschwind" - old verb for "doing something quickly" Dec 27 22:56:33 wazd: +"ig" → adverb Dec 27 22:56:37 well, in russia we also have long worls like :) Dec 27 22:56:43 wazd: +"keit" → noun Dec 27 22:57:16 tbf: I never knew german :) Only english and bits of french :) Dec 27 22:57:20 wazd: heh,all i see is iaoaoanioaaaaaaeiaaaa Dec 27 22:57:41 LuciusMare: yeah, that means "dog" Dec 27 22:58:04 huh Dec 27 22:58:07 :D Dec 27 22:58:07 wazd: well, seems the word "geschwindigkeit" was establish by some Swabian guy. actually benz and daimler came from that region... Dec 27 22:58:11 just kidding :) Dec 27 22:58:17 i thought so Dec 27 22:58:24 in my language,we also have long words Dec 27 22:58:26 such as Dec 27 22:58:30 well... and how do the Swabians promote them self those days? Dec 27 22:58:40 nejneobhospodarovavatelnejsi Dec 27 22:58:43 which means Dec 27 22:58:47 "Wie könna älles, aussa Hochdeutsch" Dec 27 22:58:56 anybody here know how to disable color in screenrc? Dec 27 22:59:02 i don't want screen using any type of color Dec 27 22:59:06 hm. "Mer könna ällesz aussa Hochdeutsch" Dec 27 22:59:19 (we can everything but proper german) Dec 27 22:59:25 The most not farmable Dec 27 22:59:27 LuciusMare: now that's a dog, i know :D Dec 27 22:59:30 heh Dec 27 22:59:37 nope,dog in my language is simply "pes" Dec 27 22:59:50 heh, like in russian :0 Dec 27 22:59:54 :) Dec 27 23:00:00 My language is czech. Dec 27 23:00:04 I bet you know it Dec 27 23:00:08 oh, now I see :) Dec 27 23:01:07 seriously, no E63/E71 users in here? :( Dec 27 23:01:26 omg these frigging colors Dec 27 23:01:34 driving me nuts Dec 27 23:02:09 wazd: i am an E17 user Dec 27 23:02:29 LuciusMare: oh, and how's it? :) Dec 27 23:02:43 LuciusMare: E63 is pretty the same, only cheaper and plastic Dec 27 23:02:59 LuciusMare: I wanted E71 but it's hella expensive Dec 27 23:04:59 no e71 Dec 27 23:05:14 www.enlightenment.org Dec 27 23:05:17 ;) Dec 27 23:05:25 LuciusMare: ah Dec 27 23:05:35 LuciusMare: I thought it was a typo :) Dec 27 23:05:39 lol Dec 27 23:05:41 nope :) Dec 27 23:05:58 And while we are in #maemo, i heard something about e17 ported to maemo Dec 27 23:06:10 to Mer Dec 27 23:06:15 canola is built on the e17 libraries aint it Dec 27 23:06:26 hm Dec 27 23:06:32 er Dec 27 23:06:37 what is the difference between maemo and mer? Dec 27 23:06:51 spelling Dec 27 23:06:55 lol Dec 27 23:07:11 mer is a ground up reconstruction Dec 27 23:07:19 wait,maemo is opensource,right? Dec 27 23:07:22 using sane parts and trying to be open Dec 27 23:07:34 maemo... is not opensource? Dec 27 23:07:48 to a degree, theres many OSS components used but somethings are closed Dec 27 23:08:03 such as? Dec 27 23:08:11 * lcuk does some handwaving, others are better at explaining it Dec 27 23:08:28 * LuciusMare catches his hand Dec 27 23:08:30 drivers? Dec 27 23:08:37 most user visible applications Dec 27 23:08:44 :o Dec 27 23:08:52 including the calculator Dec 27 23:08:54 GUI? Dec 27 23:08:56 lol Dec 27 23:09:06 calculator is closed source? *giggle* Dec 27 23:09:27 the notes app, the sketch app, the rss viewer, the calendar (iirc), the browser interface, ... Dec 27 23:09:44 the apps that brand a user expierence are controlled Dec 27 23:09:53 LuciusMare: historic reasons. historic reasons. Dec 27 23:09:56 holey carp Dec 27 23:10:06 why didnt they just open it? Dec 27 23:10:11 because .. look at the screwups who write community software Dec 27 23:10:19 LuciusMare: before nokia understood this maemo thing, they had the policy of keeping all UI stuff closed Dec 27 23:10:46 tbf: i guess they *can* releaes the codes now,when they fully understood these linuxes? Dec 27 23:10:47 LuciusMare: and now project leaders have to do a lot of paper work and deal with many nokia lawyers to undo such crap Dec 27 23:10:47 so where is the gdb-7.0 package? Dec 27 23:11:00 woglinde, in that bug report i posted earlier Dec 27 23:11:14 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6298 Dec 27 23:11:15 Bug 6298: gdb 6.8 very unstable, please upgrade to >=7.0 Dec 27 23:11:22 thanks luck Dec 27 23:11:24 LuciusMare: so unless there is a lot of motivation behind opening some stuff, it just won't happen Dec 27 23:11:25 I have to debug navit Dec 27 23:11:26 ive got the 7.0 here, ill find some server space if yo uwant it Dec 27 23:11:40 i think that especially the browser interface should be open Dec 27 23:11:43 the 7.0 mentioned in the comments is a side by side install Dec 27 23:11:45 (the whole browser* Dec 27 23:11:48 ) Dec 27 23:11:52 LuciusMare: say thank you to the lawyers. as usual. Dec 27 23:11:54 ah harald from trolltech Dec 27 23:12:03 yeah Dec 27 23:12:39 try tear browser Dec 27 23:12:45 LuciusMare: for instance we have an open source ticking running for the contacts application... Dec 27 23:12:47 * LuciusMare gathers an OSS flag, printed GNU/GPL,cd's with debian and approaches nokia rapidly Dec 27 23:12:58 ...but those lawyers are slow... incredibly slow Dec 27 23:13:11 guess we'll have Maemo7, before they even came to a conclusion. Dec 27 23:13:11 LuciusMare: you may be interested in working on #mer Dec 27 23:13:23 tbf: i dont understand you,what is "open source ticking" ? Dec 27 23:13:36 LuciusMare: ticket Dec 27 23:13:45 >.> Dec 27 23:13:52 wtf the fuck Dec 27 23:13:55 for instance,we have what? Dec 27 23:14:03 I cannt type the ~ into the browser url window Dec 27 23:14:04 redundant woglinde_ Dec 27 23:14:13 heh Dec 27 23:14:23 nevermind Dec 27 23:14:28 LuciusMare: quim and my project leader did all necessary paper work for opening contacts about two (or three?) months ago. Dec 27 23:14:33 still no progress. Dec 27 23:14:52 ty for that tbf Dec 27 23:15:00 lol Dec 27 23:15:04 { works Dec 27 23:15:33 but ~ which genuis thought about that Dec 27 23:15:57 oh Dec 27 23:16:05 aw Dec 27 23:16:08 How do you open the symbols page? Dec 27 23:16:21 -> sym Dec 27 23:16:22 is there a chance that one day,maemo will be released as free? Dec 27 23:16:24 I usually bang on ctrl/blue a bit and it sometimes pops up Dec 27 23:16:33 speedevil right Dec 27 23:16:45 and when I type on the ~ its got marked Dec 27 23:16:49 nothing more Dec 27 23:16:52 woglinde: what is the proper keystroke? Dec 27 23:17:18 if I type the { it got inserted Dec 27 23:17:48 LuciusMare: parts of it will always be closed Dec 27 23:17:54 tbf: such as? Dec 27 23:18:08 LuciusMare: for instance parts of the GSM stack cannot be opened for license and regulation rules Dec 27 23:18:14 woglinde_: i've noticed that aswell Dec 27 23:18:30 had to copypaste it so far Dec 27 23:18:31 tbf: that's completely seperate. That's - at the moment at least - running on a seperate core. Dec 27 23:18:41 LuciusMare: or for instance battery management won't be opened, cause nokia don't want to pay compensations for victims of exploding batteries Dec 27 23:18:42 red thanks Dec 27 23:18:43 tbf: as is bluetooth, wifi. Dec 27 23:18:53 red is cut and paste working for that? Dec 27 23:18:57 hah Dec 27 23:19:03 for me atleast Dec 27 23:19:07 tbf: and the battery managment is usually in actual hardware. - at least for the 'not blow up' functions. Dec 27 23:19:21 args Dec 27 23:19:26 dont works on shell either Dec 27 23:19:36 okay evil trick Dec 27 23:19:36 it doesnt work anywhere :p Dec 27 23:19:41 ~ Dec 27 23:19:42 paste per ssh Dec 27 23:19:44 here you go Dec 27 23:19:46 :D Dec 27 23:19:47 and cat the the file Dec 27 23:19:53 I chatting from my desktop Dec 27 23:20:02 anyone familiar with http://www.zagg.com/accessories/zaggsparq.php ? Dec 27 23:20:17 i made a alias to connect to irc since i have a ~ in the line Dec 27 23:20:22 was driving me crazy at first Dec 27 23:20:25 quicksynergy runs on tablet Dec 27 23:20:38 Hmm. Overlaid transparent symbol keyboard for the term would be nice Dec 27 23:20:44 configurable Dec 27 23:21:11 ypu can add symbols to xterm border Dec 27 23:21:17 SpeedEvil: would be cool to pick up what symbols are shown in x ter Dec 27 23:21:22 jello69_: yeah - I want to nuke that though. Dec 27 23:21:22 like the pgup pgdn etc Dec 27 23:21:30 i have ~ | > Dec 27 23:21:30 hms what was the cut paste sequenez? Dec 27 23:21:37 jello69_: Actual fullscreen Dec 27 23:21:42 woglinde: ctrl-c/v? Dec 27 23:21:43 ah Dec 27 23:21:49 mm, where do I fiddle around in order to add symbols there jello69_? Dec 27 23:22:10 wow worked Dec 27 23:22:15 someone posted gconf strings to irc Dec 27 23:22:34 ruskie Dec 27 23:25:22 is there a guide how to boot off a sd card on rover? Dec 27 23:25:26 hey johnx Dec 27 23:25:34 elo Dec 27 23:25:35 awesome Dec 27 23:25:37 jello69_: if open source contacts is important for you, please vote on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 Dec 27 23:25:38 Bug 5549: libosso-abook should be open source Dec 27 23:25:46 well... this is a little better Dec 27 23:25:49 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34926&page=3 red Dec 27 23:27:53 no? :( Dec 27 23:28:21 Is it possible to reflash from SD card? Dec 27 23:28:31 * SpeedEvil has lost his USB lead. Dec 27 23:28:39 aha. Dec 27 23:28:45 * SpeedEvil has found his USB lead. Dec 27 23:29:09 lead? Dec 27 23:29:15 cable? Dec 27 23:29:24 jello69_: doh Dec 27 23:29:26 shoulda checked irc Dec 27 23:29:32 was browsing thru ruskies posts :D Dec 27 23:30:00 ay,i hate my dog Dec 27 23:30:05 he has got a hump-toy Dec 27 23:30:44 its a big plushy mouse he humps,but...er i dont want to have him doing himself on the couch,so i always throw it behind a corner,in his house,but he keeps pulling it back Dec 27 23:31:42 :D Dec 27 23:31:44 ty for info Dec 27 23:32:04 kinda tmi,eh? Dec 27 23:32:05 luciusmare know any python? Dec 27 23:32:26 jello69_: like, /usr/bin/python ? Dec 27 23:32:32 i want some ui tweaks to gpodder and my changes dont work yet Dec 27 23:33:07 hello :) Dec 27 23:33:28 * n900evil leaves to flash. Dec 27 23:33:28 like downloads window to retain most recent files fetched and let me launch them Dec 27 23:33:41 I've a problem guys Dec 27 23:33:59 WM-Sef: Can nobody else solve it? Dec 27 23:34:02 going to 10 different feeds to play updates is bad UI Dec 27 23:34:05 hello Dec 27 23:34:06 If so, maybe you can call the A-team? Dec 27 23:34:08 I have a Nokia N900 image, and I want to extract it Dec 27 23:34:27 I can extract the bin Dec 27 23:34:39 but now it stuck on the rootfs.jffs2 Dec 27 23:34:51 I have a question, MaStory is good for Dotclear or only wordpress ? Dec 27 23:35:01 error reading superblock while mounting :/ Dec 27 23:36:17 LuciusMare: A 6" nail would solve that problem. Dec 27 23:36:39 SpeedEvil: i am afraid to understand it Dec 27 23:37:32 any helps on this one? Dec 27 23:37:37 LuciusMare: nail the mouse to the floor Dec 27 23:37:45 oh Dec 27 23:37:52 do you think it would be... um... "right" to post software in extras that allows one to override the "no-headphones" restriction in the fmtx? Dec 27 23:38:05 i thought you mean a fingernail Dec 27 23:38:58 jello69_: what are pgup and pgdown called there Dec 27 23:39:04 im adding mostly same buttons than listed there Dec 27 23:39:12 but i wanna keep those and perhaps control aswell Dec 27 23:39:59 i renamed yo Up and Dn Dec 27 23:40:11 ye but whats the "key" name? Dec 27 23:40:16 pageup and pagedn ? Dec 27 23:40:36 how to extract rootfs.jffs2 guys? Dec 27 23:40:46 WM-Sef: yeah, they're all drunk. Sorry I sent you here :) Someone will help though. IIRC you need the flasher3 tool Dec 27 23:40:50 try ~flashing Dec 27 23:40:53 ~flashing Dec 27 23:40:54 i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Dec 27 23:41:18 I have it Dec 27 23:41:30 WM-Sef: why/ Dec 27 23:41:54 wazd, your menu - how does the transition between h/v work? can you do one of your flash mockups (like parallax/fade/context ones) ? Dec 27 23:41:57 anyone know a way to bump up the quality of jpg the camera makes? Dec 27 23:41:59 cuz I want to look in the image Dec 27 23:42:06 Anyone know what Page Up and Page Down are called on the device? the actual key names Dec 27 23:42:09 right now it seems set to 85, which is kinda not good =( Dec 27 23:42:12 for use with customizing the x term bar Dec 27 23:42:14 pwnguin: more light? Dec 27 23:42:25 pwnguin: More attractive friends? Dec 27 23:42:34 clever, but not really helping Dec 27 23:42:38 you have as always presented those mods very nicely :) i do like the bar of quicklaunch items Dec 27 23:42:45 pwnguin: you mean the jpeg quality? Dec 27 23:42:46 ah Dec 27 23:42:59 pwnguin: there is an option in the camera I think - and 85 is usually quite OK Dec 27 23:43:19 pwnguin: consider also that the camera really isn't that good. You are not losing the sharpness due to 85 quality Dec 27 23:43:37 pwnguin: I would look to see where in the camera I found it - but I'm currently flashing Dec 27 23:44:03 yea, but i'd like to know how much of it is camera and how much is compression loss Dec 27 23:44:29 take a blank white frame, with a small bit of detail in teh middle Dec 27 23:44:37 does the Maemo sdk have a rootfs too? Dec 27 23:44:40 ah - finished Dec 27 23:44:50 jello69_: i suck at googling, can you recall the correct syntax for page up and down keys? Dec 27 23:45:29 red: in what api? Dec 27 23:45:40 lcuk: don't have much time now for flash - too much work Dec 27 23:45:46 KEY_PGDWN? Dec 27 23:45:49 err Dec 27 23:45:49 x terminal, pwnguin Dec 27 23:45:53 KEY_PGDN Dec 27 23:46:15 reconfiguring the bar with esc ctrl pgup pgdn Dec 27 23:46:23 but wasnt sure and couldnt find Dec 27 23:46:27 ill try those Dec 27 23:47:24 pwnguin: u sure it requires the key_ prefix? Dec 27 23:47:34 as dead_grave, bar etc dont Dec 27 23:47:35 wazd, fair enough, if you do get creative with it though, add it to the article it would help to see how it wouldreact Dec 27 23:48:10 red: no, which is why im asking what api Dec 27 23:48:36 k, i think i found the file with the aliases Dec 27 23:49:22 *gulp Dec 27 23:49:22 * Dec 27 23:49:29 i installed ssh2 server Dec 27 23:49:35 it wants a new ROOT password Dec 27 23:49:37 ! Dec 27 23:49:38 red: just a guess, but maybe you're looking for this? http://ascii-table.com/ansi-escape-sequences-vt-100.php Dec 27 23:49:49 LuciusMare: so supply one Dec 27 23:49:50 \o/ holy returning features coming back from history batman! Dec 27 23:49:51 http://www.kuvalauta.fi/b/src/12619521077.jpg Dec 27 23:49:56 LuciusMare: new? try first Dec 27 23:50:03 LuciusMare, that's because the default is really easy to guess. Dec 27 23:50:09 pwnguin, default is rootme. Dec 27 23:50:12 orly? Dec 27 23:50:18 i figured it came without one Dec 27 23:50:20 pwnguin, there's just no easy way to use it. Dec 27 23:50:26 No user password Dec 27 23:51:19 Robot101: YES. may crazy facebook hack works Dec 27 23:51:42 # lets see where did you get the one you have now?.. . full root_fs_ext2 you can open.. Dec 27 23:51:47 tbf: You haven't created an account so sidestepped all the drama? Dec 27 23:51:52 Robot101: working around the TOS by injecting a component into microb :-D Dec 27 23:52:01 pwnguin: You know the little toolbar in bottom of x term app. The one with "Esc Ctrl PgUp PgDn" Dec 27 23:52:10 red: and tab Dec 27 23:52:15 handy handy tab Dec 27 23:52:18 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34926&page=3 Dec 27 23:52:19 Robot101: facebook chat via telepathy is coming. Dec 27 23:52:24 * pwnguin demands bash-autocomplete! Dec 27 23:52:33 doing something like that :) Dec 27 23:52:37 via a friend of mine Dec 27 23:52:46 he owns a N900 Dec 27 23:53:11 red: why not go look at the source code for it? Dec 27 23:54:50 im a newb :) Dec 27 23:55:06 atleast with anything that is linux based Dec 27 23:55:07 http://pastebin.com/d4e336070 ? Dec 27 23:55:57 # no way to do a $ sudo mount -t jffs2 /thefs/root_fs.jffs2 /mount -o loop right..? Dec 27 23:56:51 just wonder why my gconftool says unknown option -2 Dec 27 23:57:55 no Dec 27 23:58:08 mtd block device method: Dec 27 23:58:23 error reading superblock Dec 27 23:58:31 ahh, iit was gconftool-2 Dec 27 23:58:34 not -2, hah Dec 28 00:00:16 red: /usr/bin/gconftool: symbolic link to `/etc/alternatives/gconftool' Dec 28 00:00:34 /etc/alternatives/gconftool: symbolic link to `/usr/bin/gconftool-2' Dec 28 00:00:50 k Dec 28 00:15:31 how does one doa prntscreen dump to a jpg or similar? Dec 28 00:16:26 red: i saw some shortcut cheeetsheet Dec 28 00:16:55 red: ctrl-(maybe other modifier)+p Dec 28 00:17:04 night all Dec 28 00:17:05 whoops, wrong button :) Dec 28 00:17:17 someone replied, but didnt read it yet Dec 28 00:17:23 paste please :) Dec 28 00:17:29 red: something + p Dec 28 00:17:38 :D Dec 28 00:20:31 Meh, can't get a screenshot off the terminal window Dec 28 00:20:35 please, who can help me for MaStory ? Dec 28 00:20:37 any ideas? Dec 28 00:20:41 red: ctrl + shift + p Dec 28 00:20:45 http://nokiaexperts.com/tips-shortcuts-handy-tidbits-nokia-n900-user-guide/ Dec 28 00:21:29 red: and imagemagic has import, like import -root screenshot.png Dec 28 00:22:03 thanks for that link aswell Dec 28 00:23:04 ah, it's `import -window root filename.png ` Dec 28 00:33:34 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2188345/%20N900-xterm.png Dec 28 00:33:40 here we go =) Dec 28 00:53:08 in the filemanager, in the upper most root, it says my N900 phones name, what else entries can be there? can it list other computers? if so, what protocols? Dec 28 00:54:26 redeeman: memory card is there too Dec 28 00:54:54 redeeman: i saw my friends shared folders when i was on his wifi Dec 28 00:55:12 shared via smb? Dec 28 00:55:21 that dlna media sharing thing Dec 28 00:55:31 no smb.. Dec 28 00:55:48 wtf dlna Dec 28 00:56:14 n810's file manager did smb...but then upstream gvfs removed it Dec 28 00:56:43 redeeman: didnt ask him what he used to share the folders Dec 28 00:57:08 windows 7 machine and he uses his xbox to view movies and series that are located din those shared folders Dec 28 00:57:40 might have just been shared folders via the windows gui Dec 28 00:58:07 if you share it in wmp n900 sees it Dec 28 00:59:46 too bad s. darko sucks Dec 28 00:59:54 then again though... so did donnie darko (kind of) Dec 28 01:00:36 i likeed gyllenhaals acting in it Dec 28 01:00:45 but story could have been lot better Dec 28 01:01:35 20 seconds to join Dec 28 01:01:36 it was ok Dec 28 01:01:43 01:02 -!- Irssi: Join to #maemo was synced in 41 secs Dec 28 01:01:44 it could have been better :) a lot better Dec 28 01:01:56 javispedro: awake? Dec 28 01:02:04 pupnik: yep Dec 28 01:02:14 9 is interesting Dec 28 01:02:22 http:/pupnik.de/dosbox_pup26.tgz Dec 28 01:02:58 pretty fast in wing cmdr. i broke mouse. have you looked at making it act like touchpad? Dec 28 01:02:59 kind of weird but still interesting Dec 28 01:03:06 looks like a tim burton film heh Dec 28 01:03:14 mouse.cpp does some things i do not understand Dec 28 01:03:23 so i try just removing and adding xrel, yrel now Dec 28 01:03:41 apparently profile generate works Dec 28 01:03:46 check size of exe also Dec 28 01:03:57 pupnik: nope, not done anything yet. url gives me 404. Dec 28 01:04:27 .oO(amazing how much chinese people overestimate importance of their country) Dec 28 01:04:28 my error? Dec 28 01:04:42 http://pupnik.de/dosbox_pup26.tgz <-- Dec 28 01:05:40 retry 30sec Dec 28 01:05:53 ~seen qwerty12 Dec 28 01:05:56 qwerty12 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 24d 6h 41m 56s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'. Dec 28 01:06:07 i think touchpad mouse and accel joystick Dec 28 01:06:08 .oO(factory workers cannot even effort a flat, but of course they have 600 EUR for a smart phone. lol) Dec 28 01:06:08 for starters no... Dec 28 01:06:10 but which button would you want to trap for mouse Dec 28 01:06:31 certainly the device is not mass market cost point yet Dec 28 01:06:39 lets work to make it so Dec 28 01:23:53 VDVsx, did the bastard go on vacation. . .. Dec 28 01:24:17 GAN900, abandoned us :´) Dec 28 01:24:18 sometimes, you REALLY need a vacation after reading a few tmo posts ;) Dec 28 01:24:41 GAN900, "You was able to find me on the FreeNode IRC network, in the #maemo channel, under the nickname of qwerty12. But not anymore. " Dec 28 01:24:55 ok i do need to detect mousedown and only call mousemotion on mouseup Dec 28 01:24:59 only tmo it seems, need to kick him :P Dec 28 01:25:13 I guess IRC is a known time sink. Dec 28 01:25:13 looks like E63 is a pretty nice device Dec 28 01:25:30 never used symbian but whatever :) Dec 28 01:26:00 javispedro, I've the same opinion about tmo :P and some others even worst Dec 28 01:26:21 VDVsx, his parents figured out he's an uberh4x0r Dec 28 01:26:42 lol Dec 28 01:26:52 Maybe bad grades. ;) Dec 28 01:27:22 bad timing for bad grades :D Dec 28 01:27:31 javispedro: dosbox tells me "dynamic" is not a valid cpu core - do we not have m-ht dynamic recompilation enabled? Dec 28 01:27:31 depends Dec 28 01:27:43 pupnik: this is on my build? Dec 28 01:28:21 i have 198803 Sep 24 04:56 dosbox_0.73-7maemo4.diff Dec 28 01:28:49 though if you played with configure it may have broken itself Dec 28 01:29:22 does your build accept 'dynamic' from dosbox config? Dec 28 01:30:15 Possible values: auto, dynamic, normal, simple. <-- yep. Dec 28 01:30:22 did you try it Dec 28 01:30:56 hms Dec 28 01:30:58 yep Dec 28 01:31:02 ok thanks Dec 28 01:31:02 just did it now Dec 28 01:31:03 segfault in freetype Dec 28 01:31:07 hum Dec 28 01:31:11 but now to sleep Dec 28 01:31:13 latest qemu's N810 support is totally broken Dec 28 01:31:29 hrw should fix it? Dec 28 01:31:56 Is there any preferred standard dbus debugger used on Maemo? I can't seem to apt-get d-feet. Dec 28 01:32:16 dbus-monitor? Dec 28 01:32:34 but good-bye now Dec 28 01:33:01 Well that doesn't help much since he left me with no answer as to if the style or interface was the same as d-feet. Dec 28 01:33:17 V: Giving up, because failed to: echo -e 'Yes\n' | maemo-tools --mirror Dec 28 01:33:28 this thing is broken Dec 28 01:35:14 ~seen xnt14 Dec 28 01:35:18 xnt14 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 27d 1h 18m 59s ago, saying: 'ok lol'. Dec 28 01:38:52 oh please who made browserd necessary for device operation Dec 28 01:39:47 i will try with debian Dec 28 01:39:50 wonderful Dec 28 01:42:51 what Dec 28 01:43:22 is there a way to boot device into console + ssh Dec 28 01:56:22 hrm, these ruby 1.9.1 packages seem to cause qemu to hang under the scratchbox env Dec 28 02:00:42 Am I confused, or does the browser actually not save pages when you ask it to? Dec 28 02:05:14 well i think it is flash with wonky usb time Dec 28 02:05:30 * pupnik bends quantum probability for luck Dec 28 02:10:02 pupnik: in soviet #maemo, quantum probability bends you Dec 28 02:11:52 looking for a guide on how to get usb-net working (just like the OpenMoko guys did) Dec 28 02:12:40 flash successful Dec 28 02:12:47 * pupnik wobbles the room Dec 28 02:12:54 :) Dec 28 02:26:43 pupnik Dec 28 02:26:47 do you have an N900 Dec 28 02:38:41 K`: yah Dec 28 02:38:50 np Hayseed Dixie - Enter Sandman (so awesome) Dec 28 02:39:46 good Dec 28 02:39:50 I was checking out your page yesterday Dec 28 02:39:54 a lot of good looking projects Dec 28 02:40:19 my N900 should be here by 9am tomorrow, and I wanted to start with some of those sweet looking ports Dec 28 02:40:34 there's lots free Dec 28 02:40:55 GemRB is going to be my first shot Dec 28 02:41:13 I also started on my first project last night in the scratchbox Dec 28 02:41:24 youmail.com maemo interface Dec 28 02:44:59 wtf http://www.amazon.com/Million-Random-Digits-Normal-Deviates/dp/0833030477/ref=tag_stp_st_edpp_url Dec 28 02:45:10 I just semi-bricked my N810! Dec 28 02:48:32 gemrb needs some real playtesting and script testing Dec 28 02:48:48 but it's fun to watch run Dec 28 02:51:44 pupnik: do you use the scratchbox and Xephyr when building or just direct to device Dec 28 02:51:55 Im trying to figure out if the speed is normal Dec 28 02:52:07 because my scratchbox seems to run extremely slow Dec 28 02:57:07 just on device Dec 28 02:58:19 install lenny-2009-1 Dec 28 02:58:19 /bin/sh: maemo-tools: command not found Dec 28 02:58:19 echo: write error: Broken pipe Dec 28 02:58:19 V: Set fatal to: Installing tools environment lenny-2009-1 (takes about 15 minutes) Dec 28 02:58:19 V: Giving up, because failed to: echo -e 'Yes\n' | maemo-tools --mirror Dec 28 02:58:26 this thing is fucked up **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 28 02:59:57 2009