**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 28 02:59:57 2009
Dec 28 03:04:08 <cehteh> grr device bricked for no reason
Dec 28 03:05:22 <pupnik> it may just have timed out mza
Dec 28 03:05:49 <mza> nah, maemo-tools doesnt exist on my system
Dec 28 03:05:57 <mza> what package is that installed with?
Dec 28 03:06:22 <cehteh> what can i do when the bootloader hangs at   oOooo .. seems i cant even turn it off
Dec 28 03:08:30 <mza> there are so many instructions for installing this sdk
Dec 28 03:08:30 <mza> http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5-0_installation/#32bitinstall
Dec 28 03:16:52 <pupnik> i went with the vmdk image for system portability and skipping the setup
Dec 28 03:30:20 <wazd> damn, there is black E63 but (you guess) not for Russia
Dec 28 03:46:11 <MaceG1> hm
Dec 28 03:46:59 <MaceG1> ah well
Dec 28 04:05:16 <pupnik> anybody want to emulate touchpad for dosbox
Dec 28 04:07:45 <cehteh> anyone of you have openvpn running with seamless switching between home wlan and mobile?
Dec 28 05:27:12 <pwnguin> http://git.gnome.org/browse/banshee/tree/src/Dap/Banshee.Dap.MassStorage/Banshee.Dap.MassStorage.addin.xml
Dec 28 05:27:16 <pwnguin> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/hal-info/tree/fdi/information/10freedesktop/10-usb-music-players.fdi
Dec 28 05:34:42 <DocScrutinizer51> RST38h: (sluggish after uptime 7d) I had a almost freeze when browserd ate all my cpu and storage. Probably flash, js, or similar active content. Also there is the frequrntly reported problem of / getting filled by unknown reasons which is cured by boot. Plus sth seems to memleak as I have quite some dozen MB swap used now even with almost all apps closed. now will kill / close the remaing apps and reboot
Dec 28 05:35:19 <DocScrutinizer51> this might enable videostreaming with buffer in /var/temp once again
Dec 28 05:48:26 * Arkenoi wonders why almost all pico projectors on the market are 4:3
Dec 28 05:52:07 <wazd> Arkenoi: oh, btw, what can you say bout e63? :)
Dec 28 05:52:58 <mza> ok, got the sdk running
Dec 28 05:53:06 <wazd> Arkenoi: and mornin' :)
Dec 28 05:53:11 <mza> there are no applications though? just the app manager and like 2 settings?
Dec 28 05:53:13 <Arkenoi> wazd: is has plastic back cover unlike e71 iirc?
Dec 28 05:53:23 <wazd> Arkenoi: yep
Dec 28 05:53:35 <mza> when i try and load up the app manager i have no packages and the logs say i have no internet connectivity
Dec 28 05:53:51 <wazd> Arkenoi: and it's rur 5k cheaper :)
Dec 28 05:54:01 <wazd> even 6
Dec 28 05:54:22 <Arkenoi> ward: orly? i've seen e71's sell-out in local m-video store for 8,300rur
Dec 28 05:54:32 <wazd> Arkenoi: nowai
Dec 28 05:54:45 <wazd> Arkenoi: it's 15k everywhere now :(
Dec 28 05:55:59 <Arkenoi> wazd, quite strange, once it was out there for that price i doubt anyone will buy it for any higher price
Dec 28 05:56:45 <Arkenoi> well, i may check if there still are some. i haven't notice it caused much interest, it was on the corner stand and people mostly ignored it
Dec 28 05:56:52 <wazd> Arkenoi: http://www.mvideo.ru/products/30005193.html
Dec 28 05:56:58 <Arkenoi> there were hs-12w for $10 and stuff'
Dec 28 05:57:10 <Arkenoi> but i already have hs-12w and it sounds awfuly
Dec 28 05:58:09 <Arkenoi> wazd: it could be local discount not available via internet or in other m-video stores
Dec 28 06:00:57 <wazd> Arkenoi: well, anyway, any good thoughts bout E-series symbian? :) Is it worth trying? Reviews says that e63 is pretty zippy device
Dec 28 06:01:34 <Arkenoi> wazd: you may buy secondhand one, it will likely cost no more than $200, and the replacement case will be no more than $70 (complete with keyboard, back and front covers)
Dec 28 06:02:49 <Arkenoi> wazd: i owned e90. well, it has excellent power management so it really lasts 2 days of moderate use being always online with SIP and push email. You cannot get that with Maemo. Everything other is just terrible.
Dec 28 06:03:21 <wazd> Arkenoi: meh :)
Dec 28 06:03:43 <Arkenoi> (terrible if you look at at the communicator way. as smartphone it is simply the best)
Dec 28 06:03:44 <wazd> Arkenoi: what cpu e90 has?
Dec 28 06:04:07 <wazd> Arkenoi: e63 has pretty beefy ARM11 369Mhz
Dec 28 06:04:40 <Arkenoi> 300MHz i think and there is second cpu as well don't know how it is used though
Dec 28 06:04:57 <ifreq> i wouldnt compare e90 vs n900 battery usage as e90 cant even do half of the stuff n900 can do.
Dec 28 06:05:04 <Arkenoi> i doubt there is much difference 369 vs 300
Dec 28 06:05:48 <Arkenoi> ifreq: actually it can more than half. it is just not that handy, you can do similar things but you probably won't ;-)
Dec 28 06:06:14 <ifreq> it doesnt even have vpn included (e90).. and ppl call it business communicator
Dec 28 06:06:16 <ifreq> :P
Dec 28 06:06:39 <Arkenoi> ifreq, keyword "included". you can do vpn, it is just tricky to set up.
Dec 28 06:06:46 <ifreq> yes very tricky
Dec 28 06:06:53 <wazd> Arkenoi: the only thing that really pisses me off is fucking russia discrimination - no black e63 herer
Dec 28 06:06:58 <Arkenoi> and it is the symbian way for almost everything
Dec 28 06:07:01 <Arkenoi> you can, but..
Dec 28 06:09:46 <wazd> Arkenoi: I can buy enchanced e71 with TV and 2 sim slots for just 6k! :D
Dec 28 06:30:05 * RST38h moos
Dec 28 06:30:13 <RST38h> wazd: what is enhanced with TV anyway?
Dec 28 06:35:53 <Vratha> hi guys
Dec 28 06:36:17 <Vratha> is there any way to use the n900 to record a call made to another party, including the other party's voice?
Dec 28 06:36:34 <Vratha> maybe some package out there for maemo?
Dec 28 06:41:58 <Laiska> Have not tested but maybe just put the conversation to speaker and use Recorder?
Dec 28 06:49:34 <Vratha> yeah, i was just trying out the recorder, but i was talking on it like a regular phone.  other person's voice was very faint, leading me to the suspicion that it's picking up the speaker
Dec 28 06:49:46 <Vratha> speakerphone is not going to work for me
Dec 28 06:50:02 <Vratha> i guess i should try again tomrorow with hand's free, as my girlfriend is getting annoyed with the testing
Dec 28 06:50:18 <Vratha> if anyone else knows of a phone conversation recording app for the n900, i'm all ears :)
Dec 28 07:14:17 <wazd_n800> i'm in nokla flagship now)
Dec 28 07:14:48 <thresh> leaving the earth to a better place?
Dec 28 07:15:23 <wazd_n800> yeah, preparing for symbian seduction :D
Dec 28 07:15:57 <ifreq> :)
Dec 28 07:16:09 <wazd_n800> e63 is kinda cool
Dec 28 07:16:21 <wazd_n800> I can type with one hand
Dec 28 07:17:03 <thresh> wazd_n800: duh. on Tverskaya? :)
Dec 28 07:17:13 <wazd_n800> yep
Dec 28 07:17:53 <thresh> the place i bought my n900 :)
Dec 28 07:17:57 <wazd_n800> they have  only  n900 here disabled
Dec 28 07:18:16 <wazd_n800> and dry
Dec 28 07:18:24 <thresh> if you want to buy one, they surely will give a new one to you :)
Dec 28 07:18:59 <wazd_n800> I wish I had spare 1k bucks :D
Dec 28 07:19:30 <thresh> i didnt
Dec 28 07:19:38 <thresh> been saving on school food and stuff
Dec 28 07:19:44 <ifreq> thresh: fast runner?
Dec 28 07:20:10 <thresh> mm?
Dec 28 07:20:34 <ifreq> nvm.
Dec 28 07:21:03 <thresh> wazd_n800: you need to find a way to monetize your blog
Dec 28 07:21:29 <thresh> ifreq: ah, no. i've paid my hard-earned money.
Dec 28 07:22:10 <wazd_n800> wtf is braek app))
Dec 28 07:22:47 <Laiska> not-one-of-my-most-favorite-apps
Dec 28 07:23:06 <Laiska> Just makes a "broken glass" effect on your screen
Dec 28 07:23:45 <wazd_n800> yeah, I see :)
Dec 28 07:25:17 <ifreq> thresh: yeh was just kidding.
Dec 28 07:26:22 <wazd_n800> yeah, n900 s awesome
Dec 28 07:26:51 <Laiska> BTW, just noticed this morning, the headset that comes with the phone is quite crappy
Dec 28 07:27:03 * thresh never unpacked it
Dec 28 07:27:17 <Laiska> At first I thought they were actually quite good, but just happened to try another set today and.. wow.
Dec 28 07:27:24 * ifreq uses pioneers bassboosted headphones :P
Dec 28 07:27:26 <wazd_n800> can anybody tell me if there's a euroset around?
Dec 28 07:27:37 <wazd_n800> or svyaznoy
Dec 28 07:27:55 <Laiska> An Equalizer app would be cool though.. and preferrably integrated to the media player
Dec 28 07:28:43 <thresh> wazd_n800: there's ion if you move down to Red Square
Dec 28 07:29:06 <thresh> i'll look up on google maps now
Dec 28 07:29:11 <wazd_n800> nah, I need one of these
Dec 28 07:29:44 <wazd_n800> they have e63 for 8.5k, nstore has it for 10k
Dec 28 07:29:49 <thresh> i've found euroset
Dec 28 07:30:10 <thresh> move up from Pushkin Square, it's on the other side of the street one block away
Dec 28 07:31:22 <thresh> in front of Mariott Hotel
Dec 28 07:31:59 <thresh> Tverskaya 25, i think
Dec 28 07:33:08 <wazd_n800> thx
Dec 28 07:34:40 <wazd_n800> found it)
Dec 28 07:37:55 <wazd_n800> fuck
Dec 28 07:38:11 <wazd_n800> they have it here for 10k to
Dec 28 07:38:20 <wazd_n800> greedy stards
Dec 28 07:38:34 <pwnguin> 10k sounds like a lot of something
Dec 28 07:38:46 <thresh> ~235 euros
Dec 28 07:39:13 <thresh> svyaznoi really says it's 8.5k
Dec 28 07:42:03 <wazd_n800> ok, any euroset around?)
Dec 28 07:42:32 <pwnguin> is there really any need for tracker?
Dec 28 07:43:22 <wazd_n800> oh, I have an idea
Dec 28 07:45:37 <Vratha> hmm, does anyone know if the n900 uses a micro-A or micro-B usb cable?  how do you tell the difference?
Dec 28 07:45:45 <pwnguin> uh
Dec 28 07:45:50 <Vratha> reason i'm wondering: i'm buying a car charger and a wall charger
Dec 28 07:45:57 <Vratha> for the office and on the go
Dec 28 07:46:09 <pwnguin> do they make microA?
Dec 28 07:46:18 <Vratha> oh, i don't know.
Dec 28 07:46:22 <thresh> micro-B i think
Dec 28 07:46:23 <Vratha> i thought they did if they made microb
Dec 28 07:46:30 <thresh> at least i recon it says B on the cable
Dec 28 07:46:36 <pwnguin> it's micro B
Dec 28 07:47:11 <Vratha> thanks; that's what i thought it had as well
Dec 28 07:47:47 <pwnguin> however, official nokia stuff i hear will provide more power than usb proper
Dec 28 07:48:21 <Vratha> i'm not interested in the high power output
Dec 28 07:48:39 <Vratha> that's just used to charge faster.  at the office or on the road i'm okay with slow charges
Dec 28 07:49:02 <pwnguin> do you not have a computer at the office?
Dec 28 07:49:10 <Vratha> i do
Dec 28 07:50:23 <pwnguin> then a simple a-to-microB cable suffices
Dec 28 07:50:45 <Vratha> no
Dec 28 07:50:47 <Vratha> i work at a bank
Dec 28 07:51:03 <Vratha> hooking things to the computer would be grounds for firing
Dec 28 07:51:35 <Vratha> otherwise i'd do something like that
Dec 28 07:51:55 <pwnguin> normally they lock those features out
Dec 28 07:52:01 <ifreq> Vratha: n900 has wall charger inc
Dec 28 07:52:10 <Vratha> ifreq: but not two wall chargers...
Dec 28 07:52:20 <ifreq> you need another at home or?
Dec 28 07:52:35 <ifreq> at home you can charge with usb cable from computah
Dec 28 07:52:46 <Laiska> Maybe use the adapter that came in the package and use an older Nokia charger?
Dec 28 07:52:48 <ifreq> atleast i do. wall charger is at work atm :P
Dec 28 07:52:50 <Vratha> no, i cannot, because i don't have the computer in my room
Dec 28 07:52:55 <ifreq> aha ok
Dec 28 07:53:03 <Vratha> and i use this as an alarm clock :)
Dec 28 07:53:09 <pwnguin> Laiska: what adapter?
Dec 28 07:53:10 <Vratha> i'm way too cheap ass to buy a real alarm clock
Dec 28 07:53:23 <ifreq> well most ppl these days use i guess :)
Dec 28 07:53:29 <Vratha> yeah :)
Dec 28 07:53:46 <pwnguin> it seems the american model didn't come with this magical nokia adapter
Dec 28 07:54:11 <Vratha> pwnguin: i have an american n900, and it came with a wall charger and USB cable
Dec 28 07:54:47 <Laiska> pwnguin: http://www.bestncheap.net/product/flasherbox/ipmart/CA-146c-2.jpg
Dec 28 07:54:53 <Laiska> one of those
Dec 28 07:55:08 <ifreq> im planning to get this for backup power: http://www.zagg.com/accessories/zaggsparq.php
Dec 28 07:55:23 <pwnguin> yea, dont remember seeing one of those
Dec 28 07:56:00 <Laiska> Package contents probably depends on the region somewhat
Dec 28 07:56:03 * Laiska shrugs
Dec 28 07:56:11 <Vratha> ifreq: wow, that's pretty neat.  if i had anything more than a phone and regularly needed extra power, i'd think about that
Dec 28 07:56:58 <ifreq> Vratha: yeh i have phone and cycle gps .. need for longer trips :)
Dec 28 07:57:09 <Vratha> i'm getting a 3-way socket splitter for the cigarette lighter so i can plug in my GPS and n900 simultaneously, leaving one extra port for some unknown future device
Dec 28 07:57:18 <ifreq> yeah
Dec 28 07:57:28 <ifreq> ige got no such options with my bicycle *g*
Dec 28 07:57:37 <Vratha> oh, yeah, very true
Dec 28 07:57:48 <Vratha> my GPS device can supposedly last 8 hours on its battery
Dec 28 07:58:01 <ifreq> and for biking/camping 1-2 weeks i need to charge my devices few times atleast
Dec 28 07:58:11 <Vratha> don't know if it does though.  it's pretty pimptastic though.  i thank my girlfriend greatly for it
Dec 28 07:58:15 <ifreq> yeh mine has also some 8-10h capasity
Dec 28 07:58:16 <ifreq> heh
Dec 28 07:58:39 <Vratha> ah, yeah, if you're out that much, i guess you'd need that
Dec 28 07:59:03 <ifreq> yeah, one of my rare non-computer hobbies
Dec 28 07:59:38 <wazd_n800> ~ping
Dec 28 07:59:39 <infobot> ~pong
Dec 28 07:59:42 <wazd_n800> well
Dec 28 07:59:50 <wazd_n800> they have it for 8490 in e-store. Just ordered
Dec 28 08:04:27 <dmj7261> I saw the n900 in Fry's Electronics the other day.
Dec 28 08:04:45 <dmj7261> It made me think that closing the Flagship stores in the US is a bad idea.
Dec 28 08:05:22 <dmj7261> Electronics stores never have the real devices, and nobody is going to buy an n900 based on a cheap plastic mockup.
Dec 28 08:06:12 * thresh bought one without even looking at the device
Dec 28 08:07:16 <dmj7261> I might have without seeing the actual device.  Though using it at the flagship did help with the decision.
Dec 28 08:07:50 <dmj7261> Of course I had already used the software on the PC for a month by then, so I just had a few other things to check out.
Dec 28 08:08:45 <dmj7261> Most people won't try out the Maemo SDK.
Dec 28 08:09:24 <pwnguin> not without a Win A Billion Dollars in Google Stock contest
Dec 28 08:09:32 <dmj7261> At any rate, Nokia will do what Nokia will do, and they may have a plan to get actual devices on display somewhere.
Dec 28 08:10:37 <pwnguin> im not sure nokia wants to do another round of n900
Dec 28 08:10:42 <dmj7261> Most people like to at least play with the device they're going to buy before they put down $500 dollars.
Dec 28 08:10:53 <pwnguin> theyve got another device planned
Dec 28 08:11:09 <dmj7261> why n900?
Dec 28 08:11:22 <pwnguin> how much effort are you going to spend making a device a 'hit' and then throw it away to promote an n910 or whatever maemo6 is
Dec 28 08:11:50 <dmj7261> I'm refering to Nokia devices in general here, not just the n900
Dec 28 08:12:11 <pwnguin> oh, well then you're being dense
Dec 28 08:12:28 <pwnguin> when iphone brags about having lots of market share
Dec 28 08:12:41 <pwnguin> its smartphone marketshare not general cellphone
Dec 28 08:12:48 <Arkenoi> the next device will not fit for n900 users well, as if rumors are correct there will be capacitive touchscreen and no qwerty
Dec 28 08:13:19 <Vratha> hmm, at that point i may just get a smartbook and el'cheapo phone
Dec 28 08:13:32 <simula> i lubs my n900, just waiting for madde integration with qt-creator :)
Dec 28 08:13:42 <pwnguin> its a simple fact, they sell more cheap phones than expensive ones
Dec 28 08:13:46 <dmj7261> I know several people who have an iphone (or an itouch which is equivalent for the "play for a few minutes" test).  I don't know anyone else I could ask to try out their n900
Dec 28 08:13:47 <Vratha> the n900 is okay.  hardware is excellent, but the software needs a lot of fixing
Dec 28 08:13:51 <pwnguin> and you dont need a store front to sell expensive phones
Dec 28 08:13:52 <pwnguin> err
Dec 28 08:13:54 <pwnguin> cheap phones
Dec 28 08:13:56 * Arkenoi btw thinks that nokia plans are surprisingly smart. 
Dec 28 08:14:20 <pwnguin> dmj7261: your subject to selection bias
Dec 28 08:14:25 <Arkenoi> first, make a tablet, so it is niche PDA market and does not compete with smartphones, a thing so special so no one will blame it for being inferior to other products
Dec 28 08:14:33 <dmj7261> I know about selection bias
Dec 28 08:14:45 <pwnguin> i know of one guy with an iphone
Dec 28 08:14:50 <Arkenoi> then wait several years until there will be software already developed and make a phone
Dec 28 08:14:54 <pwnguin> and i work at a college IT dept
Dec 28 08:15:09 <dmj7261> how about an itouch?
Dec 28 08:15:15 <pwnguin> who cares?
Dec 28 08:15:19 <Vratha> Arkenoi: don't believe the marketing hype.  the n900 is competing squarely against smartphones and doesn't do as good a job at it as, say, the Droid or iPhone
Dec 28 08:15:21 <Arkenoi> but most of the software is not finger friendly at all, so wait another year or so until it will get adapted to capacitive screen
Dec 28 08:15:59 <Arkenoi> Vratha, why? what's wrong with it?
Dec 28 08:16:11 <Vratha> Arkenoi: a lot of software bugs and lack of features
Dec 28 08:16:19 <dmj7261> I actually really enjoy the resistive screen
Dec 28 08:16:20 <Vratha> don't really want to rant about it again rigth now
Dec 28 08:16:52 <simula> i love being able to use the stylus with my n900... gives me precise control over an 800x480 screen
Dec 28 08:17:08 <Arkenoi> Vratha: *shurgs* not that many bugs. about lack of features - well, iphone users were tortured with lack of features for 2 years and did not complain
Dec 28 08:17:20 * pwnguin finds it annoying that iphone has a wesnoth port but not n900
Dec 28 08:17:23 <Vratha> yeah, except now it has all those features
Dec 28 08:17:36 <dmj7261> Heck, I just enjoy being able to use my finger nail without surgery.
Dec 28 08:17:36 <Vratha> and since it's considered the gold standard, you kind of have to live up to at least that
Dec 28 08:17:51 <Arkenoi> now the device is just a few months on the market and there is lack of features to complain?
Dec 28 08:17:55 <wazd_n801> then do it
Dec 28 08:17:56 <Vratha> and there are lots of bugs in the n900 software
Dec 28 08:18:07 <simula> i have an open development platform that is a debian box, just what i was looking for :)
Dec 28 08:18:09 <wazd_n801> buy an iphone, n900 sucks
Dec 28 08:18:18 <Vratha> i do have an iphone
Dec 28 08:18:23 <pwnguin> here's a phone bug
Dec 28 08:18:28 <wazd_n801> then goodbye
Dec 28 08:18:34 <pwnguin> I can't do tmobile carrier messages
Dec 28 08:18:36 <Vratha> wazd_n801: lol
Dec 28 08:18:38 <dmj7261> when will the iphone get 3rd party repositories and a wvga screen?
Dec 28 08:18:41 <pwnguin> to check prepaid minutes etc
Dec 28 08:18:43 <Arkenoi> iphone being gold standard? you must be kidding
Dec 28 08:19:14 <Vratha> dmj7261: don't think it'll get extra repos soon without jailbreaking, but i would guess a wvga screen is in the next iteration
Dec 28 08:19:15 <dmj7261> to a lot of people the iphone is the standard to compete against
Dec 28 08:19:31 <thresh> a lot of people are stupid
Dec 28 08:19:55 <dmj7261> Would certainly hope iphone gets wvga...it has a really blurry screen.
Dec 28 08:20:01 <wazd_n801> a lot of people think that cow is a saint animal
Dec 28 08:20:05 <Arkenoi> dmj7261, "for some people a horse is a suitable bride" (russian proverb ;-)
Dec 28 08:20:14 <pwnguin> wazd_n801: it's also delicious!
Dec 28 08:20:21 <Vratha> dmj7261: yeah, it could be better.  for me i don't notice it much, because i stick mainly to text-based games and apps
Dec 28 08:20:26 <dmj7261> I'm not saying I agree with those people.
Dec 28 08:21:00 <dmj7261> You notice the difference whenever there's video, pictures, or webpages on the screen.
Dec 28 08:21:05 <pwnguin> its odd to me to see so many russians
Dec 28 08:21:29 <pwnguin> in this channel
Dec 28 08:21:32 <Vratha> dmj7261: yeah, the video and pictures do suck next to a higher res device
Dec 28 08:22:04 <Arkenoi> text looks like shit on the iphone
Dec 28 08:22:10 <wazd_n801> pwnguin, soon we'll be at your door :D
Dec 28 08:22:12 <Arkenoi> low dpi+aa -> blur
Dec 28 08:22:36 <Vratha> eh, if that's the only bad thing going against the iphone until they release a new iteration, i'd say that's not so bad
Dec 28 08:22:40 <Stskeeps> morning wazd_n801
Dec 28 08:22:47 <Vratha> i personally want multitasking on the iphone
Dec 28 08:22:48 <dmj7261> n900 has a very crisp picture, though I can still see the individual pixels if I look for them.
Dec 28 08:22:57 <Vratha> that annoys the hell out of me, and the jailbreaking solution kind of sucks
Dec 28 08:23:04 <wazd_n801> Stskeeps, noon)
Dec 28 08:23:05 * Arkenoi wonders why there are so many people who claim that iphone screen is "awesome", "excellent", etc. 
Dec 28 08:23:14 <dmj7261> Multitasking and app store alternatives that don't require jailbreaking.
Dec 28 08:23:25 <ifreq> what about physical keyb?
Dec 28 08:23:50 <Arkenoi> for me physical keyboard is a must
Dec 28 08:23:51 <Vratha> i would love a physical keyboard, but only for ssh'ing to other places.  i guess that's not a big priority for most people
Dec 28 08:24:01 <dmj7261> physical keyboard is really nice.  I don't think it's any faster for typing, but the ability to see your whole screen while typing is great.
Dec 28 08:24:05 <Arkenoi> i do note taking and email much
Dec 28 08:24:11 <wazd_n801> what about shitty back
Dec 28 08:24:42 <Arkenoi> dmj7261, try typing several Kb's with on-screen keyboard and you will figure out it is just not a way to do things
Dec 28 08:24:45 <wazd_n801> what about stupid screen that I need to  poke every time
Dec 28 08:25:08 <Vratha> i actually type quite a bit faster on the iphone's keyboard than the n900's
Dec 28 08:25:09 <Arkenoi> though n900 keyboard is not good
Dec 28 08:25:14 <Vratha> yeah
Dec 28 08:25:16 <Arkenoi> but it is not really bad either
Dec 28 08:25:25 <Vratha> i would agree with that
Dec 28 08:25:33 <Vratha> s/would//
Dec 28 08:25:33 <infobot> Vratha meant: i  agree with that
Dec 28 08:25:34 <wazd_n801> e63 kb is awesome
Dec 28 08:25:39 <dmj7261> the big difference is that the on screen keyboard covers up the window.
Dec 28 08:26:02 <Arkenoi> Vratha, how much do you type? If you constantly take lecture notes and write documents it makes a difference.
Dec 28 08:26:05 <thresh> wazd_n801: n900's is even better. True story.
Dec 28 08:26:07 <Vratha> dmj7261: yeah, i have only found that to be a hassle when i ssh somewhere
Dec 28 08:26:08 <wazd_n801> I got used to it in 0.5 secs
Dec 28 08:26:17 <Arkenoi> thumb boards suck
Dec 28 08:26:31 <Vratha> Arkenoi: i use facebook and twitter apps on the iphone.  if i had to do note taking, i'd use a computer
Dec 28 08:26:32 <Arkenoi> i need 4-6 fingers to type with comfort, not 2
Dec 28 08:26:47 <Arkenoi> Vratha, i do not want to carry a computer with me
Dec 28 08:26:52 <wazd_n801> Arkenoi, you suck! :D
Dec 28 08:27:18 <wazd_n801> Arkenoi, Shahidzhanyan detected :D
Dec 28 08:27:20 <Vratha> Arkenoi: don't know what to tell you then.  i don't think any phone keyboard is really going to let you type all that fast
Dec 28 08:27:43 <pwnguin> sadly, the n900 doesn't do hostAB, so external kbds have to be BT
Dec 28 08:27:58 <Vratha> there is one feature on the n900 that i personally consider to be a "killer feature": full skype integration
Dec 28 08:28:01 <Vratha> freaking love it
Dec 28 08:28:11 <Arkenoi> Vratha, 9210 keyboard was amost nice. e90 was not so good, but quite acceptable
Dec 28 08:28:27 <Arkenoi> thor keyboard could be perfect, but thor was cancelled
Dec 28 08:28:31 <Vratha> Arkenoi: oh, i wouldn't know.  i'm not familiar with many nokia devices
Dec 28 08:29:27 <Arkenoi> thor looked like that: http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/images/thor.jpg , circa 2000
Dec 28 08:30:12 <dmj7261> looks like it could have been a really good phone keyboard
Dec 28 08:30:18 <Vratha> hmm, that's pretty nice for a portable device.
Dec 28 08:30:34 <Vratha> but for any real, long-term note taking i'd still stick to a computer
Dec 28 08:30:41 <Vratha> or at least an external keyboard
Dec 28 08:30:50 <RST38h> Moo all
Dec 28 08:30:54 <pwnguin> i donno
Dec 28 08:31:00 <DocScrutinizer51> moin
Dec 28 08:31:02 <pwnguin> that doesnt look much smaller than a netbook
Dec 28 08:31:06 <wazd_n801> RST38h, heya
Dec 28 08:31:12 <dmj7261> The main reason I still use my netbook at all is: tabbed browsing and the keyboard
Dec 28 08:31:25 <RST38h> heya wazd
Dec 28 08:32:02 <wazd_n801> RST38h, I'm trying to buy e63)
Dec 28 08:32:07 <Vratha> i'm waiting for the asus smartbook to arrive next year.  they say it'll cost less than $200 and run on an ARM cpu.  i guess i'll have to see it first.  probably won't buy it though, seeing as i have an n900 now
Dec 28 08:32:08 <Arkenoi> vratha: i am using communicators since 1998, and i used pocket computers before that. i do not carry a bag nor i dirve a car, i prefer to go empty-handed
Dec 28 08:32:15 <Vratha> but if i iddn't have an n900, i'd probably be all over it
Dec 28 08:35:07 <Arkenoi> what is the "safe" dac volume "percentage" so i won't damage builtin speakers?
Dec 28 09:02:53 <sayjava_> hello peeps, is it possible to flash the n900 with android?
Dec 28 09:03:26 <dmj7261> technically, it would be
Dec 28 09:03:36 <dmj7261> nobody has though
Dec 28 09:06:22 <sayjava_> dmj7261:it would be an interesting thing to see
Dec 28 09:12:04 <luke-jr> sayjava_: would it?
Dec 28 09:12:14 <luke-jr> does anyone actually *like* Android? XD
Dec 28 09:12:24 <RST38h> it's all relative
Dec 28 09:13:09 <sayjava_> luke-jr: not much about liking but just thinking about the possibility tech-wise
Dec 28 09:18:14 <sayjava_> luke-jr:http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/27/vmware-mvp-weds-windows-ce-and-android-in-unholy-matrimony-on-du/
Dec 28 09:20:21 <luke-jr> sayjava_: definitely an april fools day joke
Dec 28 09:22:14 <dmj7261> don't think so
Dec 28 09:23:18 <sayjava_> its a real product shipping soon from vmware
Dec 28 09:23:43 <sayjava_> and its inevitable giving the power these phones now have
Dec 28 09:24:22 <furunk3l> morning everyone
Dec 28 09:25:15 <RST38h> Not sure what the goal of such a product is though
Dec 28 09:59:47 <bigbrovar_> applications I look forward to seeing a maemo5 port. gthumb,abiword,rhythmbox, choqok
Dec 28 10:02:22 <luke-jr> bigbrovar_: you're porting all those? nice
Dec 28 10:02:43 <bigbrovar_> luke-jr: which I knew how to program
Dec 28 10:05:00 <luke-jr> bigbrovar_: easy to learn; in the meantime, wd on packaging those apps... not programming, but still pretty good ;)
Dec 28 10:05:34 <bigbrovar_> luke-jr: there was a gthumb,abiword, and rhythmbox port for maem4
Dec 28 10:06:19 <bigbrovar_> luke-jr: I can do the packaging part.. its the UI design part that I cant do :(
Dec 28 10:06:34 <bigbrovar_> luke-jr: cus its not just about packaging
Dec 28 10:07:25 <luke-jr> bigbrovar_: no need for UI changes, I'm sure
Dec 28 10:08:04 <luke-jr> might not work as nice as one might expect, but it should still be usable
Dec 28 10:09:26 <bigbrovar_> luke-jr:  well I rather it is properly Hiddonized .. nothing i hate more than an app that doesnt follow the UI guidelines of maemo5.. you also have to consider optification .. (although that could be taking care of during compile)
Dec 28 10:09:56 <luke-jr> better than nothing
Dec 28 10:18:35 <guardian_> hi
Dec 28 10:19:27 <luke-jr> hi
Dec 28 10:20:05 <guardian> i just discovered the MADDE project, is it going to replace scratchbox?
Dec 28 10:20:41 <Hukka> err... all my stausbar applets have disappeared
Dec 28 10:20:45 <RST38h> probably not
Dec 28 10:20:51 <Hukka> what could cause that?
Dec 28 10:21:12 <Hukka> (maemo 5)
Dec 28 10:21:13 <andre__> guardian, I think Nokia themselves don't know the future yet, but currently it's not planned to replace Scratchbox (but instead move to SB2)
Dec 28 10:21:27 <andre__> Hukka, a crash of hildon-statusbar-menu for example
Dec 28 10:22:18 <Hukka> hmm. the standard buttons are still there. crash wouldn't affetc those?
Dec 28 10:23:07 <Hukka> ps shows two hildon-staus-menus running
Dec 28 10:23:28 <Stskeeps> guardian: no, it's just a cross-compiler that doesn't replace a debian build environment
Dec 28 10:23:38 <Stskeeps> it is a subset of a debian build environment for a certain purpose
Dec 28 10:26:53 <guardian> ok
Dec 28 10:27:43 <luke-jr> it wants to make me pizza
Dec 28 10:27:47 <luke-jr> guardian: I like pizza.
Dec 28 10:27:56 <guardian> it's just that the wiki page states Linux also
Dec 28 10:28:05 <guardian> that's why I wondered whether it would replace sb
Dec 28 10:28:27 <Stskeeps> guardian: it is mostly suitable for building qt applications and tiny libs without autoconf
Dec 28 10:28:46 <guardian> ok
Dec 28 10:31:26 <jpe> luke-jr:about you're android remarks: one big advantage, the calendar app syncs with google calendar out of the box...
Dec 28 10:32:09 <luke-jr> jpe: who uses that? :P
Dec 28 10:32:50 <Stskeeps> vendor tiein++
Dec 28 10:33:19 <guardian> thx for the answers
Dec 28 10:35:25 <jpe> luke-jr: euh,,, give me an alternative ...
Dec 28 10:35:37 <luke-jr> jpe: sorry, I use my own homegrown scripts
Dec 28 10:40:45 <lardman> morning
Dec 28 10:44:25 <SpeedEvil> The sunlight glaring through my window would seem to indicate that.
Dec 28 10:45:16 <lardman> :)
Dec 28 10:49:35 <SpeedEvil> Woo - apt-get install lynx works.
Dec 28 10:50:43 <Corsac> all xkcd fans, please vote for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7377 :)
Dec 28 10:50:45 <povbot> Bug 7377: image tooltips are truncated
Dec 28 10:54:35 <andre__> Corsac, that report misses information
Dec 28 10:54:59 <andre__> Corsac, that's why it says "(Explain in detail what you do (e.g. tap on OK) and what you see)"
Dec 28 10:55:41 <Corsac> are you kidding?
Dec 28 10:55:56 <andre__> no.
Dec 28 10:56:01 <andre__> e.g. you don't mention cursor mode.
Dec 28 10:56:06 <andre__> be exact.
Dec 28 10:56:09 <Wolfie> suure he does
Dec 28 10:56:28 <SpeedEvil> Is there any way to select the URL of an image.
Dec 28 10:56:29 <Wolfie> 1. run browser
Dec 28 10:56:29 <Wolfie> 2. to to xkcd.com
Dec 28 10:56:30 <Wolfie> 3. display tooltip with cursor
Dec 28 10:56:36 <SpeedEvil> I'm sure I did it once, and can't find again
Dec 28 10:56:49 <andre__> wolfie, yeah. and the last one is vague and does not explain *HOW* to do that.
Dec 28 10:56:50 <fcrozat> Corsac: hehe, I saw this bug too.. /me votes
Dec 28 10:56:58 <Corsac> I can explain how to use cursor mode but I have to admit I'm expecting the browser devs to know it
Dec 28 10:57:19 <Wolfie> andre__: i really hope you're just a troll, and not in the dev team
Dec 28 10:57:24 <andre__> Corsac, that's true. but there's also triagers trying to reproduce issues.
Dec 28 10:57:33 <andre__> Wolfie, you completely miss the point. congrats.
Dec 28 10:58:10 <Wolfie> andre__: i think you need to be more precise with your information. Please explain which point I have missed, and by how much
Dec 28 10:58:12 <andre__> Corsac, in this specific case there's only one way to activate cursor mode. However for a lot of functionality there's two or three ways. hence I ask for being exact so it's easier to reproduce issues...
Dec 28 10:58:28 <andre__> Wolfie, point 3 does not explain how to activate cursor mode. clear enough?
Dec 28 10:59:13 <Arkenoi> everyone knows how to activate cursor mode
Dec 28 10:59:21 <furunk3l> what is cursor mode?
Dec 28 10:59:25 <Arkenoi> there is no need to describe it further
Dec 28 10:59:26 <andre__> Arkenoi, no.
Dec 28 10:59:29 <furunk3l> just kidding :)
Dec 28 10:59:30 <Wolfie> andre__: i think i should introduce you to one of our company's dev teams. they appreciate such nit picking, and being completely unable to be grateful that someone has taken their time to report an issue, albeit "vaguely"
Dec 28 10:59:42 <fcrozat> Arkenoi: well, you need to watch the various videos first :)
Dec 28 10:59:58 * Stskeeps passes andre__ a christmas beer
Dec 28 10:59:58 <fcrozat> I know I didn't and missed some gestures for some time :)
Dec 28 10:59:59 <andre__> Wolfie: no problem. continue filing vague reports and simply don't wonder why they end up closed as WORKSFORME then
Dec 28 11:00:09 <andre__> instead of getting FIXED. that's life.
Dec 28 11:00:13 <andre__> Stskeeps, cheers :)
Dec 28 11:01:03 <Corsac> thought there is a difference between nitpicking and bad faith
Dec 28 11:01:27 <andre__> Corsac, :) also true
Dec 28 11:01:56 <Wolfie> andre__: i wish you all the best on growing a successful community.
Dec 28 11:02:13 <andre__> don't get me wrong. I do understand your report. But for testers and developers it's really helpful to provide a braindead how-to as some people *are* very lazy.
Dec 28 11:02:29 <andre__> Wolfie, thanks a lot. You're welcome to help with that :)
Dec 28 11:02:37 <fcrozat> andre__: just wondering : is it possible to select text in modest with finger ?
Dec 28 11:02:42 <fcrozat> I tried but failed
Dec 28 11:02:50 <fcrozat> and since there is no "cursor mode" in modest...
Dec 28 11:03:16 <lardman> Wolfie: I'm afraid I've got to agree with andre__  there, which tooltip are you talking about?
Dec 28 11:03:26 <Stskeeps> copying text from emails is copyright infrigement, fcrozat ;)
Dec 28 11:03:28 <lardman> the one on the main image presumable?
Dec 28 11:03:33 <lardman> s/e/y
Dec 28 11:03:38 <fcrozat> Stskeeps: I wanted to remove quoted text :)
Dec 28 11:03:49 <Wolfie> lardman: sorry, it's not my ticket in question. You'll need to ask Corsac
Dec 28 11:03:59 <lardman> ok, np
Dec 28 11:04:15 * andre__ wonders whether we talk about alt or title here
Dec 28 11:04:33 <Wolfie> lardman: but, i'd imagine it's the tooltip over the XKCD comic strip. Any developer not knowing the XKCD tooltip really needs to do a re-check on their nerd'o'meter
Dec 28 11:04:37 <andre__> fcrozat, editor? viewer?
Dec 28 11:05:04 <fcrozat> andre__: editor.. If you want to remove the "bottom" quoted text when you reply to a mail :)
Dec 28 11:05:14 <andre__> fcrozat, keyboard only I think
Dec 28 11:05:27 <lardman> Wolfie: lol, but still, just adding that extra bit of info makes it completely clear
Dec 28 11:05:30 <Stskeeps> Wolfie: well, andre__ isn't a developer, he's a bugmaster and probably has the most rough job of all people at maemo.org employers :P
Dec 28 11:05:34 <Stskeeps> er, employees
Dec 28 11:05:41 <fcrozat> andre__: I guess I should fill a enhancement request :)
Dec 28 11:05:52 <z5xsx]2HN> 
DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0
Dec 28 11:05:53 <Wolfie> lardman: no arguing there
Dec 28 11:05:54 <z5xsx]2HN>  
DCC SEND "по�поɦʞɔпɟ�ʞпоɦʞɔпɟɔпɟ" 0 0 0
Dec 28 11:05:56 <z5xsx]2HN> 
DCC CHAT CALM_INTERNET_CHATTING_NOTHING_ELSE;
Dec 28 11:06:01 <andre__> z5xsx]2HN, got problem?
Dec 28 11:06:05 <andre__> ah.
Dec 28 11:06:10 <Stskeeps> startkeylogger exploit
Dec 28 11:06:17 <andre__> shweet.
Dec 28 11:06:17 <Stskeeps> for people stupid enough to run norton internetsecurity
Dec 28 11:06:18 <lardman> hmm, no pluto on the current comic
Dec 28 11:06:24 <aquatix> Stskeeps: nice
Dec 28 11:06:40 <aquatix> 0 bytes :/
Dec 28 11:06:45 <Wolfie> lardman: stabbing in the dark here, but pluto isn't a planet anymore
Dec 28 11:06:59 <aquatix> it's a planetoid
Dec 28 11:07:01 <lardman> yeah I know, had hoped the geeks would refuse to conform though!
Dec 28 11:07:06 <aquatix> ghehehehe
Dec 28 11:07:20 <lardman> Titan, Europa, etc aren't either of course
Dec 28 11:07:32 <aquatix> true, but those are famous moons
Dec 28 11:07:37 <Wolfie> or perhaps he just ran out of canvas? :)
Dec 28 11:07:43 <lardman> Wolfie: true
Dec 28 11:08:05 <aquatix> if (running_out_of_canvas()) { enlarge_canvas(); }
Dec 28 11:08:13 <lardman> I'd be tempted to bet that more people have heard of Pluto though
Dec 28 11:08:28 <lardman> OOM error, Pluto is too far away!
Dec 28 11:08:56 <Hexagoon> how far is too far away?
Dec 28 11:09:15 <aquatix> lardman: what's this Planet X you're speaking about?
Dec 28 11:09:18 <aquatix> :)
Dec 28 11:09:21 <lardman> depends on your dpi
Dec 28 11:09:45 <Hexagoon> dots per inch?
Dec 28 11:10:15 <aquatix> (star)dust per infraredspectrometer
Dec 28 11:10:59 <Hexagoon> aaah, i see
Dec 28 11:11:29 <infected69> hey all my n900 just got bricked when i tried to rename a file... it freezes in the startup with the 5 bubbles like in this moive -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnDdzo5kYVY do someone have a guide to get it working again.. ?
Dec 28 11:11:51 <lardman> 2.87007874e14 inches to Pluto, so lots of dots
Dec 28 11:11:57 <lardman> give or take an inch or two
Dec 28 11:11:58 <Wolfie> andre__: just out of curiosity, have you looked at/considered using uservoice.com?
Dec 28 11:12:12 <Hexagoon> infected69: what file did you rename ? :)
Dec 28 11:13:15 <infected69> a movie file in .videoes... did it i x terminal rm n900.mp4 n900.avi and the it rebooted
Dec 28 11:13:25 <andre__> Wolfie: didn't know that one, thanks. Some time ago some folks decided to have Brainstorm for maemo.org, see http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/
Dec 28 11:14:02 <andre__> infected69, I don't think that "rm" actually renamed those files :-P
Dec 28 11:14:12 <Wolfie> andre__: no problem. Sites like stackoverflow.com used that with great success, and our company has just started getting used to it. It's great with a good community with people not bothering with nitty-gritty techical feature-request tickets
Dec 28 11:14:23 <Hexagoon> infected69: you probably have to reflash it, there's a guide at the maemo.org wiki
Dec 28 11:14:24 <Wolfie> i'll take a look at brainstorm, haven't heard of it.
Dec 28 11:14:44 <Corsac> lardman: the first step is “go to xkcd.com”
Dec 28 11:14:55 <Corsac> the second, sorry
Dec 28 11:15:03 <Hexagoon> infected69: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Dec 28 11:16:01 <Hexagoon> it think you could do it with NSU too though, a little simpler
Dec 28 11:16:12 <Wolfie> weird. maemo.org isn't loding for me
Dec 28 11:16:32 <Wolfie> correction, http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/ isn't loading
Dec 28 11:17:02 <Hexagoon> +1
Dec 28 11:17:04 <Wolfie> neither is the [..]/community/ uri
Dec 28 11:17:22 <Hexagoon> +2
Dec 28 11:18:29 <Wolfie> ok, community loaded, just takes a very long time
Dec 28 11:19:28 <infected69> thx i will try
Dec 28 11:22:48 <infected69> hexagoon -> do i need to download "Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900" if i live in denmark? (RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin)
Dec 28 11:23:03 <Stskeeps> infected69: should work fine
Dec 28 11:23:18 <jeremiah_> infected69: You don't _have_ to, but you might want to.
Dec 28 11:23:18 * Stskeeps undrer sig hvor infected69 kommer fra
Dec 28 11:23:24 <Stskeeps> morning jeremiah_
Dec 28 11:23:31 <jeremiah_> Hey keepsie!
Dec 28 11:23:35 <jeremiah_> How are you?
Dec 28 11:23:42 <Stskeeps> i'm good, survived polish christmas
Dec 28 11:23:53 <jeremiah_> Excellent. :)
Dec 28 11:23:59 <Stskeeps> +barely
Dec 28 11:23:59 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 28 11:24:02 <jeremiah_> Probably a few kilos heavier?
Dec 28 11:24:05 <jeremiah_> :)
Dec 28 11:24:15 <jeremiah_> I know I am
Dec 28 11:24:25 <infected69> stskeeps -> kbh
Dec 28 11:24:46 <jeremiah_> But I did some skiing so I feel like I skied off some calories.
Dec 28 11:25:00 <Stskeeps> jeremiah_: christmas eve in poland is without meat. i think i might have gotten thinner.
Dec 28 11:25:16 <jeremiah_> O_o
Dec 28 11:25:18 <jeremiah_> Really?
Dec 28 11:25:19 <Myrtti> I still have some Christmas pigsie to eat :-) and carrot casserole
Dec 28 11:25:19 <jeremiah_> Wow
Dec 28 11:25:21 <Stskeeps> infected69: ah, was in aarhus and herning when i lived there
Dec 28 11:25:32 <Stskeeps> jeremiah_: i wanted to start crying when i realized it :P
Dec 28 11:25:36 <jeremiah_> heh
Dec 28 11:25:49 <jeremiah_> The Swedish Christmas is nearly _only_ meat
Dec 28 11:25:52 <Stskeeps> yes
Dec 28 11:25:56 <Stskeeps> same with denmark
Dec 28 11:25:57 <Wolfie> andre__: should the brainstorm site be publicly visible? since it takes an awful lot of time to load
Dec 28 11:26:05 <Myrtti> jeremiah_: surely you had lutefisk too? ;-)
Dec 28 11:26:37 <jeremiah_> I don't do lutefisk. :)
Dec 28 11:26:45 <jeremiah_> I'm not a big fish eater.
Dec 28 11:26:54 <Stskeeps> they had fish in gele here
Dec 28 11:27:12 <jeremiah_> That sounds fancy
Dec 28 11:27:34 <wazd> wee, e63 is mine :)
Dec 28 11:27:35 <Stskeeps> well, yeah, but not a big gele fan
Dec 28 11:27:35 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 28 11:27:39 <Stskeeps> wazd: woo
Dec 28 11:27:45 <andre__> Wolfie: yeah, it's public, but the maemo.org servers suck. currently new hardware gets installed
Dec 28 11:28:01 <wazd> that's a damn great phone
Dec 28 11:29:25 <wazd> not as good as n900, but still can warm my heart this new year :)
Dec 28 11:30:07 <SpeedEvil> :/
Dec 28 11:30:14 <red> Yay I got a verdict on my iCrap complaint towards TeliaSonera.
Dec 28 11:30:18 <harriv> they need beowulf cluster of n900's
Dec 28 11:30:33 <red> Made a 24 month deal on iPHone and 4 devices broke inside two months :)
Dec 28 11:30:50 <SpeedEvil> red: hardware or software?
Dec 28 11:30:51 <jeremiah_> red: wow
Dec 28 11:30:54 <red> so switched to N900 and they refunded what I had paid them, it took damn 3 weeks but thank god
Dec 28 11:30:59 <SpeedEvil> :)
Dec 28 11:31:01 <Stskeeps> red: good choice
Dec 28 11:31:17 <red> SpeedEvil: first two had wifi trouble. First device it just died, 2nd had the overheating chip
Dec 28 11:31:25 <jeremiah_> red: You're in Sweden (I assume) - so where'd you buy your N900?
Dec 28 11:31:30 <red> 3rd one had a broken microphone out of package
Dec 28 11:31:45 <red> jeremiah_: Finland actually. and I reserved the phone after third device broke like month ago :)
Dec 28 11:31:50 <jeremiah_> Ah
Dec 28 11:31:52 <Wolfie> andre__: ok
Dec 28 11:31:55 <X-Fade> red: No, you installed fm radio on the 3rd one ;)
Dec 28 11:32:00 <jeremiah_> TeliaSoner is in Sweden too.
Dec 28 11:32:01 <red> so got it 7.12 already
Dec 28 11:32:19 <red> X-Fade: talking about iPhones here actually :D
Dec 28 11:32:24 <X-Fade> Ah ;)
Dec 28 11:32:30 <Myrtti> *yawn*
Dec 28 11:32:31 <red> Apple knows people do not want FM transmitters!
Dec 28 11:33:09 <red> All in all, I do miss some of the apps, but otherwise N900 rocks 3GS hard :)
Dec 28 11:33:24 <red> + the screen I miss
Dec 28 11:33:55 <red> the n900 sensitivity is ok, but would have preferred glass surface so dont need a screenguard
Dec 28 11:35:05 <Wolfie> oh, just noticed the Madde blog post. So, it's just for compilation, and doesn't play together with Esbox or Xephyr?
Dec 28 11:35:44 <Stskeeps> Wolfie: it is a thing for building qt apps and small libraries without autoconf, basically
Dec 28 11:35:53 <Wolfie> red: I'm not sure whether glass works well with resistive tech :). I can imagine that the nokia hw guys remembered that capacitance doesn't work well with gloves, so the home country of finland would have very chilly hands when handling the phone
Dec 28 11:35:58 <Wolfie> ...during winters, that is
Dec 28 11:36:09 <Wolfie> Stskeeps: ah, ok. thanks.
Dec 28 11:36:56 <red> when its -20 outside i use gloves, and i wouldnt really use my phone then :P
Dec 28 11:37:07 <red> and its that cold only couple of months
Dec 28 11:37:20 <red> some hybrid tech would been neat, but more expensive I guess
Dec 28 11:37:43 <ifreq> i want my glass to be diamond plated
Dec 28 11:37:45 <ifreq> :P
Dec 28 11:38:37 <ifreq> actually im quite happy with the current resistive *g*. should get a screen protector tho.
Dec 28 11:38:51 <wazd> woo, opera mobile 10 is really nice
Dec 28 11:39:52 <red> ifreq: yeh I like the screen otherwise, but just not the part of having to add a protector
Dec 28 11:40:12 <ifreq> protector is a must?
Dec 28 11:40:16 <red> I suck at applying them, always get some damn small dust particle or something there sticking there
Dec 28 11:40:23 <ifreq> i usually dont keep it with my keys and coins :P
Dec 28 11:40:41 <red> well I don't want the screen to scratch, and from experience this type of plastic does show wear quite easily
Dec 28 11:40:53 <red> glass would have been harder, so less wear :)
Dec 28 11:41:09 <red> it breaks easier though, but I haven't dropped a phone in years
Dec 28 11:41:21 <ifreq> yeh now you say :)
Dec 28 11:41:31 <red> read somewhere that most of iPhones taken into service are due cracked glass from dropping :)
Dec 28 11:41:41 <ifreq> i once dropped iphone to concrete.. tho it was 1st gen (aluminium) so it survived quite nicely
Dec 28 11:42:11 <red> gimme airplane windshield grade surface! :D
Dec 28 11:42:39 <jeremiah_> Anyone here tried Madde yet?
Dec 28 11:43:27 <ifreq> red: what protector you got? i was looking for some zagg
Dec 28 11:43:35 <flux> red, I don't really see understand that idea, not using phone when it's cold outside, when one regularly would use it if it were warm?-)
Dec 28 11:44:10 <red> ifreq: haven't picked one yet :)
Dec 28 11:44:21 <red> next week after I get some more $$ I wil
Dec 28 11:44:29 <jeremiah_> wazd: How do you zoom in on Opera 10?
Dec 28 11:44:56 <wazd> jeremiah_: eh, center button :)
Dec 28 11:45:08 <red> flux: cause I avoid going out and staying there if it was that cold. I do fiddle around alot with my phone outside during warmer days since for some reason I spend alot more time there too apart from just traveling from A to B asap
Dec 28 11:45:55 <flux> let's say I'm waiting for bus..
Dec 28 11:46:12 <red> I have a car :>
Dec 28 11:46:22 <red> only use busses when I'm drinking
Dec 28 11:46:30 <flux> yeah, they've forbidden to drive cars when drunk here as well ;(
Dec 28 11:46:43 <jeremiah_> Bastards
Dec 28 11:46:58 <red> ye, fuck!
Dec 28 11:47:04 <jeremiah_> What kind of world do we live in when you can't drive dri=unk?
Dec 28 11:47:20 <red> you can, just don't wanna get caught
Dec 28 11:47:23 <red> har har
Dec 28 11:47:36 <jeremiah_> Or die in the process.
Dec 28 11:48:43 <wazd> http://nokiamobileblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/maemo5-preview.jpg
Dec 28 11:48:44 <red> Aye but seriously. I understand the "glove" point, but I have noticed I really don't tend to pull my phone out when it's cold enough, just try to get from A to B asap, and I use buss maybe twice a month, and tend to time it so that I never have to wait more than 1-2 minutes, and I tend to smoke a cigarette before going in
Dec 28 11:48:49 <wazd> oh, snap :D
Dec 28 11:49:25 <jeremiah_> wazd: What are those?
Dec 28 11:49:30 <SpeedEvil> I've found the right gloves work ok
Dec 28 11:49:33 <SpeedEvil> even for keyb
Dec 28 11:49:40 <infected69> wee itworking again.... 2 bad my backup is 2 weeks old :/
Dec 28 11:49:43 <SpeedEvil> admittedly, they aren't my warmest gloves.
Dec 28 11:49:46 <jeremiah_> Oh - just themese, meh
Dec 28 11:49:47 <red> and my gloves are the sort where the fingertips are cut open :)
Dec 28 11:50:04 <wazd> jeremiah_: E and N series themes in maemo style
Dec 28 11:50:04 <jeremiah_> Sexy.
Dec 28 11:50:05 <SpeedEvil> but I often use it with stylus - which I've lost again.
Dec 28 11:50:08 <red> since I like to drive with them and would be too slippery otherwise
Dec 28 11:50:09 <jeremiah_> wazd: Cool
Dec 28 11:50:12 <SpeedEvil> with gloves
Dec 28 11:50:23 <red> SpeedEvil: my stylus has been on an adventure for a week now
Dec 28 11:50:35 <SpeedEvil> 7 euro! Madness.
Dec 28 11:50:47 <SpeedEvil> The lack of 3 styluses in the pack is a dealbreaker.
Dec 28 11:50:48 <red> cost of a new stylus? :P
Dec 28 11:50:55 <wazd> e63 stock themes are godawful
Dec 28 11:50:56 <SpeedEvil> yes
Dec 28 11:51:02 <red> hehe
Dec 28 11:51:11 <red> you could mold and build ur own for that price
Dec 28 11:51:19 <red> given you had the access to the gear somewhere
Dec 28 11:51:25 <red> i mean alot of em :D
Dec 28 11:51:43 <SpeedEvil> Actually.
Dec 28 11:51:47 <SpeedEvil> shapeways.com
Dec 28 11:51:54 <SpeedEvil> it'd be a lot less than 7e
Dec 28 11:52:02 <red> hehe
Dec 28 11:52:06 <SpeedEvil> and you could make the end a little penguin.
Dec 28 11:52:31 <red> so u send a 3D model there and they do it for u?
Dec 28 11:52:36 <SpeedEvil> yes
Dec 28 11:52:46 <red> damn :)
Dec 28 11:52:47 <SpeedEvil> http://www.shapeways.com/model/67037/scarab_2.html
Dec 28 11:52:48 <red> gotta bookmark
Dec 28 11:55:29 <Miihkail> good carrying case is all you need to keep screen healty imho...else depends on user
Dec 28 11:56:25 * RST38h moos again
Dec 28 11:57:22 <lbt> hey, andre__  is osso-wlan 3.0.14+0m5 source available?
Dec 28 11:57:36 <woglinde> lbt dont think so
Dec 28 11:57:38 <andre__> lbt, context? :-)
Dec 28 11:57:40 <woglinde> like icd2
Dec 28 11:57:49 <lbt> bug 6416
Dec 28 11:57:50 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6416 Wifi won't connect until rebooted...
Dec 28 11:57:57 <andre__> lbt, if it's not in http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/ - no.
Dec 28 11:58:04 <Stskeeps> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/o/osso-wlan/ has 3.0.6
Dec 28 11:58:10 <woglinde> hm
Dec 28 11:58:18 <Stskeeps> what's it on PR1.0?
Dec 28 11:58:20 <woglinde> okay
Dec 28 11:58:29 <woglinde> let me see
Dec 28 11:58:51 <woglinde>  osso-wlan                                           3.0.6+0m5
Dec 28 11:59:10 <lbt> presumably the source should be available though... /me checks gitorious
Dec 28 11:59:49 <woglinde> hm should I open a whishbug for applet which can invidual enable or disable wlan/gsm/gps/bt ?
Dec 28 11:59:59 <WM-Sef> how do I extract a rootfs.jffs2?
Dec 28 12:00:10 <woglinde> wm-sef search google
Dec 28 12:00:18 <WM-Sef> done that ;)
Dec 28 12:00:26 <WM-Sef> but all the methods I found
Dec 28 12:00:26 <woglinde> you have to emulate mtdblock on desktop pc
Dec 28 12:00:32 <WM-Sef> yeah
Dec 28 12:00:40 <WM-Sef> with script of maemo wiki
Dec 28 12:00:43 <WM-Sef> it gives
Dec 28 12:00:53 <WM-Sef> error reading superblock :-s
Dec 28 12:02:50 <lbt> oh, andre__ sorry I missed your request for a syslog in that bug :(
Dec 28 12:03:00 <andre__> hehe :-)
Dec 28 12:03:01 <andre__> np
Dec 28 12:03:17 <lbt> I'll add a request for the source to the bug...
Dec 28 12:05:37 <SpeedEvil> Has anyone successfully paired a bt keyboard?
Dec 28 12:05:52 <SpeedEvil> I get the pairing dialog - enter the passcode - and it says failed
Dec 28 12:06:18 <squidd> phail
Dec 28 12:06:32 <wazd> RST38h: heya
Dec 28 12:06:45 <wazd> RST38h: time to steal your emulators :D mooohahaha! :D
Dec 28 12:08:34 <konttori> Hey, I have been using pygtkeditor now for a day for editing qml files on the device -> totally rocks! Now, if only the execute button would open qml files with qmlviewer by default, that would be even better.
Dec 28 12:10:36 <wazd> wow! Pidgin for symbian!
Dec 28 12:16:58 <red> pidgin sawks
Dec 28 12:20:04 <wazd> that's fake I guess :(
Dec 28 12:21:58 <DocScrutinizer51> kewl. Epic fail on watching videostreams from 26C3. From 'file not found' to 'codec not supported' to mere frigging segv of all browser windows (plus mediaplayer I assume)
Dec 28 12:33:19 <joppu> *
Dec 28 12:34:45 <joppu> And this is why you should always use mplayer for video playback instead of any fancy "multimedia frameworks":
Dec 28 12:34:48 <joppu> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7327
Dec 28 12:34:57 <povbot> Bug 7327: Xvid encoded videos unwatchable
Dec 28 12:35:09 <Stskeeps> i don't have an issue with xvid though
Dec 28 12:35:13 <Stskeeps> only some
Dec 28 12:35:21 <ShadowJK> It's either qpel or gmc
Dec 28 12:35:32 <ShadowJK> I bet the decoder can't handle gmc
Dec 28 12:37:49 <ruskie> djmount+xmms2+mplayer :)
Dec 28 12:37:56 <ruskie> and I have all I really need for my media needs :)
Dec 28 12:38:06 <infected69> what is the best picture resolution for pictures used in the phonebook?
Dec 28 12:39:36 <ShadowJK> oh ok, that screenshot doesn't look like gmc/qpel fail
Dec 28 12:42:53 <joppu> It's probably some "obscure" encoding option they decided not to support
Dec 28 12:43:31 <ShadowJK> Hm. I wonder if I have xvid installed
Dec 28 12:43:52 <javispedro> a big green square doesn't look like a missing "obscure" stream feature?
Dec 28 12:43:58 <joppu> I'd be still kinda nice to have DSP accel for xvid
Dec 28 12:44:52 <joppu> javispedro: I mean that the video is encoded in "nonstandard" way
Dec 28 12:46:06 <wazd> RST38h: can you advise some IRC good symbian IRC client?
Dec 28 12:46:31 <joppu> PyTTY
Dec 28 12:46:39 <javispedro> hmm..
Dec 28 12:46:46 <javispedro> xvid encoded with ffmpeg/libxvid works for me
Dec 28 12:46:49 <joppu> *PuTTY
Dec 28 12:47:55 <RST38h> wazd: Putty
Dec 28 12:48:05 <wazd> derp
Dec 28 12:48:16 <wazd> something more user friendly maybe? :D
Dec 28 12:48:24 <RST38h> wazd: I do suggest saving a bit more money for n900 though: e63 only has 320x240 screen
Dec 28 12:48:37 <Wolfie> wazd: mIRGGI was my favorite
Dec 28 12:48:46 <wazd> RST38h: too late :)
Dec 28 12:49:22 <wazd> RST38h: it has 320x240 but (shame on you Nokia) 18 bit :P
Dec 28 12:49:24 <Wolfie> but i mostly used putty to access my primary irc/shell acount
Dec 28 12:49:46 <RST38h> wazd: yes, well known =)
Dec 28 12:50:39 <joppu> Putty with irssi is actually pretty user friendly when you get used to it. Most inportant of all, it's powerful
Dec 28 12:51:00 <Wolfie> joppu: otoh, word is also pretty user friendly, once you get used to it.
Dec 28 12:51:02 <Wolfie> so is gentoo
Dec 28 12:51:14 <RST38h> moooooar pooooooooooooooooar
Dec 28 12:52:33 <Wolfie> joppu: i'm afraid "once you get used to it" is incompatible with "user friendly". Software that never become user friendly in that sense is just user hostile, and failures in their own right ;)
Dec 28 12:52:33 <ShadowJK> javispedro, well it could be, if it just gave up at first point where it couldn't decode
Dec 28 12:52:56 <ShadowJK> packed B frames in avi vs nonpacked is another issue I guess
Dec 28 12:54:55 <Macer> DCC SEND from z5xsx]2HN [0.0.0.0 port 0]: startkeylogger [0B bytes] requested in channel #maemo
Dec 28 12:54:58 <Macer> awesome
Dec 28 12:55:13 <Macer> startkeylogger? wtf? :) is that an actual app?
Dec 28 12:55:15 <javispedro> jaja
Dec 28 12:55:27 <javispedro> hi wazd_e63 :)
Dec 28 12:55:34 <LuciusMare_n900> hi,how to set subtitles in kmplayer?
Dec 28 12:55:43 <wazd_e63> ooops
Dec 28 12:55:56 <wazd_e63> Too small font)
Dec 28 12:56:08 <Macer> how to update kde2 in fbsd?
Dec 28 12:56:58 <wazd_e63> ah, that's better)
Dec 28 12:58:11 <wazd_e63> It can multitask)
Dec 28 12:58:22 <LuciusMare_n900> hah
Dec 28 12:59:23 <LuciusMare_n900> so,the subs?
Dec 28 12:59:53 <joppu> LuciusMare_n900: try naming the str/sub/ass/ssa file with the same filename as the vidya file
Dec 28 12:59:59 <LuciusMare_n900> ok
Dec 28 13:00:02 <LuciusMare_n900> htanks
Dec 28 13:01:15 <Wolfie> wow... using the mirror app, i noticed that the camera produces a black band about one fifth of the screen all the way to the right
Dec 28 13:01:38 <javispedro> Wolfie: same as mine
Dec 28 13:01:42 <thresh> same here too
Dec 28 13:02:00 <javispedro> *sound of collective relief*
Dec 28 13:02:02 <Stskeeps> it's just not kernel calibrated right
Dec 28 13:02:02 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 28 13:02:03 <Wolfie> so, is that a type fault, or something the app should profile for?
Dec 28 13:02:10 <Wolfie> right...
Dec 28 13:02:39 <Wolfie> is the camera really that poor quality, or does the app just pixelate it like that?
Dec 28 13:02:57 <Wolfie> both ISO and resolution wise
Dec 28 13:03:52 <ifreq> best pics ive had are outside on sunshine
Dec 28 13:04:11 <Wolfie> ifreq: yeah, they usually are
Dec 28 13:04:22 <Wolfie> applies to any digital camera
Dec 28 13:05:33 <kamui> speaking of the front cam
Dec 28 13:05:54 <kamui> are there any video support for any of the IP calling apps?
Dec 28 13:06:22 <kamui> you can see how that sentence kind of morphed from one line of questioning into another
Dec 28 13:06:43 <kamui> my 900 is on the truck for delivery :)
Dec 28 13:08:29 <ifreq> kamui not yet imo
Dec 28 13:08:58 <ifreq> would assume skype atleast support it in distant .future
Dec 28 13:09:24 <kamui> didn't skype support video on the N800?
Dec 28 13:09:55 <ifreq> no idea
Dec 28 13:10:07 <kamui> not that its a dealbreaker or anything, but I havne't ever been able to use my front cam on any of my nokia phones for anything since there is no video call support in the US yet
Dec 28 13:10:38 <kamui> I wonder why no one takes advantage of that
Dec 28 13:10:48 <thresh> nokia folks this line is fixed in driver in PR1.1
Dec 28 13:10:53 <thresh> nokia folk says i mean
Dec 28 13:10:57 <kamui> in their mobile apps that have video support in the desktop
Dec 28 13:11:48 <javispedro> PR1.1 is the one that comes with "videocalling"?
Dec 28 13:16:38 <SpeedEvil> I did some streaming from the front cam over wifi.
Dec 28 13:16:42 <SpeedEvil> Worked.
Dec 28 13:16:47 <SpeedEvil> mencoder + netcat
Dec 28 13:21:54 <ShadowJK> OK, it doesn't really liked packed b frames. Low framerate, but watchable
Dec 28 13:22:42 <ShadowJK> With qpel enabled, I get distortion in moving areas. It doesn't handle qpel
Dec 28 13:23:19 <ShadowJK> no wait, that was qpel+gmc-nopacked
Dec 28 13:23:47 <ShadowJK> yeah just qpel is fine
Dec 28 13:23:56 <ShadowJK> gmc however isn't.. but I don't get the green distortion
Dec 28 13:25:12 <ShadowJK> only newbies use gmc though, it's hardly ever any gain and has poor decoder compatibility :-)
Dec 28 13:25:44 <wazd> RST38h: lets test VGBA :)
Dec 28 13:27:16 <pupnik> svn checkout https://open2x.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/open2x/trunk/libs/SDL-1.2.9
Dec 28 13:27:19 <ShadowJK> (and packed bframes are a nonstandard hack to work around broken windows dshow system)
Dec 28 13:35:05 <wazd> errr
Dec 28 13:35:27 <wazd> where can I locate received via BT file?
Dec 28 13:39:47 <andre__> anybody running 1.2009.42-11 who can tell me whether in the User Guide the section "User Guide > Basic Use > Text input > Switch keyboard layout" mentions Control+Space?
Dec 28 13:40:36 <ShadowJK> andre__, timeless posed a better challenge a few weeks ago. Can you find the user guide? :-)
Dec 28 13:41:01 <andre__> ShadowJK, harhar... File Manager > N900 > Documents > User Guides
Dec 28 13:42:14 <ShadowJK> i think there were 2 people who had found them ;)
Dec 28 13:43:01 <andre__> still, if anybody could answer my question it would be cool :)
Dec 28 13:43:08 <ShadowJK> yeah it does
Dec 28 13:43:34 <ShadowJK> "Switch between input languages\nPress the ctrl and spce keys simultaneously. This also switches the language for the virtual keyboard."
Dec 28 13:44:32 <Shadikka> umm, lolwtf
Dec 28 13:44:52 <ShadowJK> ?
Dec 28 13:45:27 <Shadikka> 13:01 [freenode] DCC SEND from z5xsx]2HN [0.0.0.0 port 0]: startkeylogger [0B  bytes] requested in channel #maemo
Dec 28 13:45:34 <DocScrutinizer> wazd: as this is part of the big bluepill conspiration, I sugest you try ``find / -name "<*part-of-yur-filename>*" ''
Dec 28 13:45:39 <Stskeeps> Shadikka: idiot who assumes #maemo people run norton internet security
Dec 28 13:45:47 <Shadikka> ah, I see.
Dec 28 13:45:59 <andre__> ShadowJK, thanks a lot
Dec 28 13:46:32 <wazd> DocScrutinizer: nah, I'm about Symbian v3
Dec 28 13:47:08 <Stskeeps> wazd: Symbian definately needs updated artwork, i mean.. look at their LSD-induced stuff
Dec 28 13:47:11 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 28 13:47:42 <DocScrutinizer> duh. LSD is mega-OUT
Dec 28 13:47:46 <DocScrutinizer> ;-)
Dec 28 13:48:08 <wazd> Stskeeps: yeah, their default "business styled" themes are "oh my"
Dec 28 13:48:40 <jeremiah_> andre__: Yeah, it seems that ctl-space doesn't work
Dec 28 13:48:51 <jeremiah_> Even though it says "input language switched."
Dec 28 13:48:53 <jeremiah_> nothing changes
Dec 28 13:48:56 <jeremiah_> weird.
Dec 28 13:49:12 <wazd> Stskeeps: wifi receiption is weaker than n800's btw
Dec 28 13:49:15 <ShadowJK> i suspect you need to have two languages setup
Dec 28 13:49:23 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: seen eli skipp? 26c3 talk?
Dec 28 13:49:37 <andre__> jeremiah_, another bug, already filed
Dec 28 13:49:49 <jeremiah_> andre__: Ah, okay. :)
Dec 28 13:51:41 <kamui> crazy question
Dec 28 13:51:46 <wazd> and the most ridiculous thing is ofcourse no dataable in box
Dec 28 13:51:50 <wazd> cable*
Dec 28 13:51:52 <kamui> can the N900's transmitter be used in call
Dec 28 13:51:53 <kamui> ?
Dec 28 13:52:42 <kamui> I read somewhere that the transmitter is turned off when the phone is charging too, which makes no sense, so I started wondering if it shuts off in a phone call
Dec 28 13:55:44 <ShadowJK> wazd, eh?
Dec 28 13:55:53 <ShadowJK> there was datacable in my box..
Dec 28 13:56:12 <wazd> ShadowJK: no cable for e63
Dec 28 13:56:19 <ShadowJK> oh :)
Dec 28 13:56:34 <wazd> ShadowJK: "budget" stuff
Dec 28 13:56:48 <ShadowJK> yeah e63 is the retarded cousin of e71, iirc :)
Dec 28 13:57:23 <wazd> well, keybard is better, tactile feelings are better :)
Dec 28 13:57:37 <wazd> not so retarded as it tended to be :)
Dec 28 13:57:43 <ShadowJK> I thought it was the same as e71 except made entirely out of plastic, and cheaper radios :)
Dec 28 13:57:48 <bigbrovar_> ShadowJK: and e72 > e72 < N900
Dec 28 13:58:01 <ShadowJK> two e72?
Dec 28 13:58:22 <wazd> ShadowJK: no, they are a bit different
Dec 28 13:58:29 <bigbrovar_> ShadowJK: sorry  e71 > e72 < N900
Dec 28 13:58:47 <ShadowJK> how come e71 > e72?
Dec 28 13:58:58 <bigbrovar_> ShadowJK: ooh heck   e72 > e71 < N900
Dec 28 13:59:04 <ShadowJK> lol
Dec 28 13:59:07 <wazd> ShadowJK: e71 is too expensive for what it does
Dec 28 13:59:09 <bigbrovar_> ShadowJK: I really should stop drinking :p
Dec 28 13:59:28 <ShadowJK> My E75 is currently sitting as modem..
Dec 28 13:59:35 <kamui> so
Dec 28 13:59:44 <kamui> are you saying the E72 and N900 are on equal ground?
Dec 28 13:59:51 <kamui> or uncompareable
Dec 28 14:00:08 <ShadowJK> come on, it's symbian, it loses by default
Dec 28 14:00:11 <bigbrovar_> am saying N900 is greater .. I have all 3
Dec 28 14:00:11 <wazd> E72 is a bit overkill :)
Dec 28 14:00:23 <kamui> soo, N900 > E72 > E71
Dec 28 14:00:23 <ShadowJK> unless you need mfe and those things
Dec 28 14:00:49 <kamui> I had an E90 for about a week
Dec 28 14:01:03 <kamui> might have kept it too if at the time there was something it could run
Dec 28 14:02:19 <ShadowJK> E90 is very weird, in the sense that it actually got bugfixes for more than 6 months after sale ;p
Dec 28 14:02:49 <kamui> heh, after the N95 and the N80 burned me
Dec 28 14:02:57 <kamui> I refused to buy another symbian phone
Dec 28 14:03:04 <Macer> man if zimbra would fix 2 damn things then it would be awesome
Dec 28 14:03:19 <Macer> well. 1 really. the second one i am being selfish :)
Dec 28 14:03:34 <flux> shadowjk, yeah. I wonder how things will be with n900 ;-).
Dec 28 14:03:34 <kamui> I know they're in teh business of selling hardware, but its shite that they never offer OS upgrades to faithfulls who like their devices
Dec 28 14:03:40 <ShadowJK> qwerty, putty, irc client and opera mini was adequate for me while waiting for n900
Dec 28 14:03:52 <kamui> I have a scary feeling that the N900 will not see the light of Maemo 6
Dec 28 14:04:08 <Macer> like the n810 will not see the light of maemo5? :)
Dec 28 14:04:09 <kamui> but its such a great device for me, Im keeping it
Dec 28 14:04:12 <Macer> mer will fix that heh
Dec 28 14:04:26 <Stskeeps> Macer: you did see the recent 3d driver movement on n8x0? :P
Dec 28 14:04:33 <Macer> you got it working?
Dec 28 14:04:35 <kamui> I looked a little at Mer, looks pretty cool
Dec 28 14:04:37 <bigbrovar_> Macer: well there is always the mer project to help out
Dec 28 14:04:38 <flux> I have a feeling that n900 already has a significantly larger developer base than n[78]xx ever had, though
Dec 28 14:04:59 <Macer> Stskeeps: where? i'd love to see a video if you have one. actual 3d accel stuff?
Dec 28 14:05:00 <Stskeeps> compared to a year ago with Mer, we're much better in shape to take on supporting n900 when nokia gives up though :P
Dec 28 14:05:27 <Macer> might have to dust the old n810 off and use it if you got the gles stuff going
Dec 28 14:05:37 <Stskeeps> Macer: still work in progress but we have stuff rendering..
Dec 28 14:05:47 <Macer> woah. sounds good :) awesome
Dec 28 14:05:57 <Macer> what kind of timeline are you looking at to actually do stuff with it?
Dec 28 14:06:05 <Macer> like integrate it into the ui? :)
Dec 28 14:06:11 <kamui> what graphics chipset is in the N810?
Dec 28 14:06:17 <Stskeeps> Nokia N800/N810/N810 OpenGL ES 1.1 driver teaser screenshots: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=443213&postcount=369
Dec 28 14:06:18 <kamui> I didn't know it had 3D acceleration capabilities
Dec 28 14:06:20 <Stskeeps> Macer: working on it
Dec 28 14:06:21 <Macer> you are using the maemo5 ui now right?
Dec 28 14:06:24 <Stskeeps> kamui: PowerVR UI
Dec 28 14:06:26 <Stskeeps> err
Dec 28 14:06:27 <Stskeeps> MBX
Dec 28 14:07:14 <bigbrovar_> kamui: Macer: Stskeeps:  I  tot I heard that the hardware acceleration drivers for the N810 would soon be opensources
Dec 28 14:07:20 <siriusnova> man the battery life sucks on the n900
Dec 28 14:07:27 <siriusnova> i need a extended battery like about now
Dec 28 14:07:28 <siriusnova> :|
Dec 28 14:07:31 <wazd> RST38h: is there any way to remap keys in Symb VGBA? :)
Dec 28 14:07:32 <Macer> damn that's awesome Stskeeps
Dec 28 14:07:34 <bigbrovar_> siriusnova: u can say that again
Dec 28 14:07:41 <sejo> Stskeeps: nice work!
Dec 28 14:07:42 <Stskeeps> bigbrovar_: open source kernel drivers, closed source libs.
Dec 28 14:07:43 <bigbrovar_> siriusnova: am always charging the thing
Dec 28 14:07:45 <Macer> seems like you're still running the older maemo4 hildon stuff :)
Dec 28 14:07:49 <siriusnova> bigbrovar_ same
Dec 28 14:07:54 <Stskeeps> Macer: that's from someone using it on maemo4
Dec 28 14:07:55 <Stskeeps> not mer
Dec 28 14:07:55 <Macer> as far as the desktop goes on the n810?
Dec 28 14:07:59 <Macer> ah i see
Dec 28 14:08:26 <Macer> you're making me anticipate the day mer will be off to the races ;)
Dec 28 14:08:28 <kamui> siriusnova how many hours are you getting with heavy use
Dec 28 14:08:33 <siriusnova> kamui - like 4
Dec 28 14:08:36 <siriusnova> lol
Dec 28 14:08:39 <kamui> 3g?
Dec 28 14:08:41 <Macer> since maemo5 seems rather nokia only devices
Dec 28 14:08:52 <siriusnova> the moment i pop on 3G i see the battery level go down a notch
Dec 28 14:08:53 <siriusnova> lol
Dec 28 14:08:53 <Macer> tmzt was talking about getting mer going on a G1 heh
Dec 28 14:08:54 <siriusnova> yes 3G
Dec 28 14:09:09 * kamui wipes his brow
Dec 28 14:09:11 <Macer> that would be pretty awesome too. said he was working on phone functionality
Dec 28 14:09:13 <kamui> good thing
Dec 28 14:09:18 <kamui> Im in the US on At&t
Dec 28 14:09:25 <kamui> I'm counting on good battery life with edge and wifi only
Dec 28 14:09:26 <kamui> :)
Dec 28 14:09:29 <Macer> kamui: you poor bastard :)
Dec 28 14:09:31 <Macer> hahha
Dec 28 14:09:31 <siriusnova> 3G rapes the battery on the N900
Dec 28 14:09:38 <siriusnova> its amazing
Dec 28 14:09:38 <kamui> Ill live, I never use 3g
Dec 28 14:09:40 <Macer> 3G rapes the battery on anything :)
Dec 28 14:09:41 <kamui> im always in wifi coverage
Dec 28 14:09:48 <Termana> Macer - that would be a Good Thing. No one wants to have to live with Android on their phone.
Dec 28 14:09:53 <siriusnova> Macer - not on my HTC Hero Android :P
Dec 28 14:09:55 <kamui> but on a good note, I was looking at some of the mugen batteries
Dec 28 14:10:03 <kamui> I heard the N97's battery fits the N900
Dec 28 14:10:04 <Macer> Termana: yeah. android kind of sucks
Dec 28 14:10:05 <siriusnova> they make mugen batteries for the N900?
Dec 28 14:10:11 <Termana> Thats like cruel and unusual punishment
Dec 28 14:10:13 <kamui> not yet
Dec 28 14:10:13 <siriusnova> link
Dec 28 14:10:13 <Macer> the way they made it just drives me up the wall
Dec 28 14:10:14 <siriusnova> link
Dec 28 14:10:16 <siriusnova> oh
Dec 28 14:10:20 <bigbrovar_> siriusnova: Macer: not on my Nokia E72
Dec 28 14:10:23 <Macer> like the self closing apps to save mem
Dec 28 14:10:32 <Macer> and the lack of any type of command line environment
Dec 28 14:10:51 <kamui> I just read a blog article from Jkk yesterday that said mugen sent him the two N97 1800mah and 4000mah batteries
Dec 28 14:10:52 <Macer> no gnu apps :) and the only way to get them is some chroot debian image that kind of sucks
Dec 28 14:11:00 <kamui> so Im interested in finding out if they work
Dec 28 14:11:16 <siriusnova> I have to be honest
Dec 28 14:11:18 <Termana> Macer - The whole thing is rather lack luster, I mean, it was a silly idea to make developers write programs in Java only
Dec 28 14:11:23 <siriusnova> Nokia Symbian phones are pretty rock solid
Dec 28 14:11:26 <kamui> the 1800 doesn't have a different form factor, but the 4000 needs one
Dec 28 14:11:29 <Macer> Termana: not java
Dec 28 14:11:31 <Macer> dalvik :)
Dec 28 14:11:33 <kamui> new battery cover
Dec 28 14:11:34 <Macer> fake java haha
Dec 28 14:11:52 <kamui> siriusnova Im totally in agreement
Dec 28 14:11:53 <Macer> whoever brainstormed that one should be shot
Dec 28 14:11:59 <kamui> minus their quick aging
Dec 28 14:12:02 <kamui> they're pretty nice
Dec 28 14:12:07 <siriusnova> kamui - i have a Nokia 5800 XpressMusic
Dec 28 14:12:10 <siriusnova> with S60 V5
Dec 28 14:12:10 <Termana> Macer - lol :P
Dec 28 14:12:11 <kamui> great multitasking capabilities
Dec 28 14:12:19 <kamui> Im still S60v3
Dec 28 14:12:21 <siriusnova> and its amazing how rock solid and good of a "phone" it really is
Dec 28 14:12:23 <kamui> kept my N95
Dec 28 14:12:26 <Macer> Termana: not to mention the complete and utter lack of any market qc it seems
Dec 28 14:12:32 <siriusnova> i was using it as a GPS all day long and it was amazing with ovi maps 3.0
Dec 28 14:12:36 <siriusnova> even in the middle of a desert :P
Dec 28 14:12:40 <Macer> i don't think i've ran into an app yet that hasn't crashed
Dec 28 14:12:42 <siriusnova> where I am
Dec 28 14:12:49 <Macer> after a year of dev.. other than like... connectbot :)
Dec 28 14:12:55 <Macer> which i have to admit is awesome
Dec 28 14:13:15 <kamui> lols macer
Dec 28 14:13:20 <Macer> i have been waiting for like a year for a damn jabber client that actually works in android
Dec 28 14:13:34 <Macer> they either crash.. or disconnect all the time... or some other thing that makes them suck
Dec 28 14:13:47 <Macer> like 90% of all android apps :)
Dec 28 14:13:47 <Termana> Macer - Not just Market control, it seems the phones they have it running on are lacking QA as well. The Droid anyone? Did everyone see that stupid arse Verizon bandaid
Dec 28 14:13:49 <kamui> does jabber support video
Dec 28 14:14:02 <Macer> kamui: xmpp does
Dec 28 14:14:17 <Macer> so that would be a yes kind of :)
Dec 28 14:14:21 <kamui> :)
Dec 28 14:14:42 <Macer> i was just happy my zimbra server could connect to gmail contacts
Dec 28 14:15:01 <Macer> i thought yahoo and aim were supposed to swap over but i suppose it's just a matter of waiting
Dec 28 14:15:20 <kamui> doesn't google support msn now
Dec 28 14:15:23 <Macer> haven't checked in a while though and plus people who use aim and yahoo messenger should also be shot
Dec 28 14:15:30 <Macer> :)
Dec 28 14:15:41 <kamui> seconded
Dec 28 14:16:02 <Termana> Good night #maemo :)
Dec 28 14:16:09 <Macer> heh.. Termana me too ;)
Dec 28 14:16:16 <Macer> i have to buy an n900 this week
Dec 28 14:16:29 <Macer> i'm scared right after i buy it that an n910 will be out
Dec 28 14:16:32 <Macer> wimax edition :P
Dec 28 14:16:44 <kamui> lol
Dec 28 14:16:47 <Macer> i'm kind of sad i didn't decide to buy a wimax n810 when i had the chance
Dec 28 14:16:53 <Macer> now that they have coverage in chicago
Dec 28 14:16:59 <kamui> shit, the N900 has only been retail for about a month and a half iirc
Dec 28 14:17:17 <Macer> kamui: heh. well. it's always about the next best thing ;)
Dec 28 14:17:20 <kamui> nokia is bound to release an N900i though
Dec 28 14:17:23 <Macer> maybe the n910 will have a compass
Dec 28 14:17:33 <kamui> nice
Dec 28 14:17:35 <Macer> n900gs? :)
Dec 28 14:17:38 <Macer> with compass included?
Dec 28 14:17:39 <kamui> a compass, and better camera
Dec 28 14:17:48 <Macer> heh
Dec 28 14:17:54 <Macer> apple made me bust out laughing with that one
Dec 28 14:17:56 <Macer> "now with video"
Dec 28 14:17:58 <Macer> uhm
Dec 28 14:18:01 <bigbrovar_> kamui: there would release a N900 mini or a N900 wimax edition LOL
Dec 28 14:18:07 <Macer> welcome to 2001
Dec 28 14:18:28 <kamui> lol
Dec 28 14:18:35 <flux> bah, second time my wlan started acting funny on n900, need to reboot it
Dec 28 14:19:06 <kamui> N900 wlan supports monitor mode and packet injection?
Dec 28 14:19:29 <kamui> man, Im all over the place
Dec 28 14:19:32 <kamui> with excitement :)
Dec 28 14:19:43 <kamui> max of 5 hours until I have mine
Dec 28 14:19:46 <kamui> damn you fedex
Dec 28 14:20:03 <kamui> and your standard overnight delivery by 3pm
Dec 28 14:20:16 <kamui> luckily those jerks never show up later than 1
Dec 28 14:21:16 <Macer> wow. avatar is up to $280million?
Dec 28 14:21:47 <Macer> anything past $275 million is profit :)
Dec 28 14:21:49 <Macer> haha
Dec 28 14:22:18 <SaBer> If I wan't to develop an application and test it on a device, is there some faster way to deploy than using dpkg-buildpackage and install the package?
Dec 28 14:24:37 <flux> saber, ..just copy the package to /tmp?
Dec 28 14:25:09 <flux> uh, I mean the binary
Dec 28 14:25:26 <Stskeeps> andre__: sometimes i wonder if bugs i filed in the past will come swinging right back and getting assigned to myself :)
Dec 28 14:25:52 <flux> like: make && rsync binary n900:/tmp && ssh n900 env DISPLAY=:0.0 run-standalone.sh /tmp/foo.bin
Dec 28 14:26:22 <andre__> Stskeeps, might happen ;-)
Dec 28 14:28:39 <SaBer> flux: yeah, I guess copying via some script is feasible (I'll have more than one file to copy)
Dec 28 14:29:38 <wazd> e63 screen is really good, nice angles, nice colors
Dec 28 14:30:40 <kamui> anyone develop using the scratchbox
Dec 28 14:30:44 <ShadowJK> low res though :/
Dec 28 14:30:50 <ShadowJK> can't fit 80 columns on it D:
Dec 28 14:31:27 <kamui> trying to figure out if its a waste of time for anything short of a widget, its extremely laggy on my system
Dec 28 14:31:49 <ShadowJK> testing on scratchbox is probably pain
Dec 28 14:32:43 <kamui> well, I finally got the dev environment set up
Dec 28 14:32:55 <kamui> trying to start my first project without the actual phone
Dec 28 14:33:00 <kamui> and this thing is slow as balls
Dec 28 14:33:04 <kamui> but my cpu isn't even spiking
Dec 28 14:33:14 <kamui> granted its a 3ghz p4
Dec 28 14:33:33 <kamui> but I figured that would be faster than running a virtual on my quad core system
Dec 28 14:37:04 <ShadowJK> it's doing the 3D stuff in software
Dec 28 14:37:20 <kamui> ahh, thats true
Dec 28 14:47:36 <DocScrutinizer51> kamui: aiui no packet injection. /me not sure about monitor and even AP
Dec 28 14:48:03 <kamui> I read that monitor mode does work on the N900 in the talk forums
Dec 28 14:48:23 <kamui> however, there was no "proof"
Dec 28 14:48:26 <kamui> no video, no screens
Dec 28 14:48:28 <DocScrutinizer51> flux: what's the funny behaviour with your WLAN?
Dec 28 14:48:43 <kamui> anyhow, not a dealbreaker or anything
Dec 28 14:48:49 <kamui> just trying to figure out the scratchbox
Dec 28 14:49:52 <flux> docscrutinizer51, the sound cuts off at times, no idea why (might not be related to wlan)
Dec 28 14:50:25 <flux> although I guess it's possible that wlan and bt don't work perfectly at the same time
Dec 28 14:50:58 <flux> same band, possibly same antenna or even same chip..
Dec 28 14:51:16 <DocScrutinizer51> flux: I managed once to completely mess DNS resolv. Possibly by messing around with BT (and PC connectivity?)
Dec 28 14:51:49 <flux> docscrutinizer51, agh, I misunderstood uyour question
Dec 28 14:52:13 <ebtschi_work> hi
Dec 28 14:52:17 <flux> so, the WLAN-issue was that there was no connectivity
Dec 28 14:52:28 <ebtschi_work> some questions:
Dec 28 14:52:39 <ebtschi_work> 1) has anyone here used the beagle board with maemo?
Dec 28 14:52:49 <DocScrutinizer51> flux: I had to reboot. Then BT was enabled after boot though it's been off before
Dec 28 14:52:51 <ebtschi_work> 2) has anyone here used python on maemo?
Dec 28 14:53:01 <flux> docscrutinizer51, at a second location there were many messages about wlan support restarting itself in dmesg
Dec 28 14:53:11 <ebtschi_work> 3) how fast is the typical boot time?
Dec 28 14:53:13 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer51, PaulFertser: you don't know of some tool that takes a lib, takes it's exported symbols, makes stubs of them and writes out a new lib?
Dec 28 14:53:59 <DocScrutinizer51> err. what's the use of that exercise?
Dec 28 14:54:07 <SpeedEvil> I wondered that back in 1992 ish
Dec 28 14:54:14 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer51: building against GLES1.1 libs without having them
Dec 28 14:54:25 <DocScrutinizer51> aah
Dec 28 14:54:39 <Stskeeps> and mesa doesn't have it yet as far as i can tell
Dec 28 14:54:42 <SpeedEvil> WRT nuking all not-used funcs in libs
Dec 28 14:54:44 <PaulFertser> Stskeeps: oh, sorry, out of my knowledge area :(
Dec 28 14:54:51 <DocScrutinizer51> well anyway wrong address here. Paul might know
Dec 28 14:55:04 <PaulFertser> Stskeeps: and btw, Hi, nice to see you again :)
Dec 28 14:55:56 <Stskeeps> wello
Dec 28 14:56:18 <DocScrutinizer51> PaulFertser: hi :-))
Dec 28 14:56:52 <SpeedEvil> Anyone paired a bt keyb successfully on the default firmware?
Dec 28 14:57:04 <PaulFertser> Stskeeps: while we're at it, any news wrt usb host? Any hope at least? ;)
Dec 28 14:57:04 <SpeedEvil> It's not wanting to know when I do it - refusing to pair
Dec 28 14:57:20 <ShadowJK> Uh, isn't it widely known that they aren't supported?
Dec 28 14:57:42 <DocScrutinizer51> SpeedEvil: wish I had BT kbd
Dec 28 14:57:46 <Stskeeps> PaulFertser: didn't hear anything, i've been buried in GLES1.1 for N8x0
Dec 28 14:57:47 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: ah - I was assuming that it would do something other than simply refuse to pair.
Dec 28 14:58:09 <ShadowJK> I'd try pair with N8x0 or something that supports them first, just to get an idea of the pairing procedure
Dec 28 14:58:18 <ShadowJK> atleast mine is pretty fragile in the exact sequence required
Dec 28 14:58:18 <PaulFertser> ShadowJK: if you need manual instructions for using bluez4, om wiki has some examples.
Dec 28 14:58:33 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: I've mislaid my keyb manual alas.
Dec 28 14:58:45 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: that was for you apparently :)
Dec 28 14:59:11 <SpeedEvil> PaulFertser: ah
Dec 28 15:01:00 <DocScrutinizer51> SpeedEvil: PaulFertser: ShadowJK: is there any need for (hid) support in BT chip itself?
Dec 28 15:01:34 <ShadowJK> no
Dec 28 15:01:41 <DocScrutinizer51> otherwise me would think it's jsut a matter of compiling the needed hid driver
Dec 28 15:02:13 <ShadowJK> I think the hid driver is there, probably, but the GUI doesn't know how to connect it up
Dec 28 15:02:57 <DocScrutinizer51> duh
Dec 28 15:03:23 <DocScrutinizer51> so see paul's comment about wiki..openmoko.org a few lines above
Dec 28 15:03:44 <X-Fade> http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles
Dec 28 15:03:56 <X-Fade> Check that page for enabling hid support.
Dec 28 15:04:21 <DocScrutinizer51> X-Fade: hey hello :-)
Dec 28 15:04:38 <DocScrutinizer51> X-Fade: thanks for pointer
Dec 28 15:05:02 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer51: Comes up quite often ;)
Dec 28 15:05:25 <SpeedEvil> X-Fade: OMG! THANKS! YOU HAVE SAVED MY LIFE!
Dec 28 15:05:28 <SpeedEvil> Or meh - thanks.
Dec 28 15:05:32 <SpeedEvil> Take your pick.
Dec 28 15:06:08 <DocScrutinizer51> capslock? ;-P
Dec 28 15:06:11 <VDVsx> DocScrutinizer, don't expect too much from the BT kb support, a lot of things doesn't work since the pc105 layout is not there by default
Dec 28 15:06:28 <DocScrutinizer51> hehe
Dec 28 15:07:39 <DocScrutinizer51> well I hope that's pretty standard X domain
Dec 28 15:08:35 <DocScrutinizer51> hmmm on a second thought...
Dec 28 15:11:30 <VDVsx> in my case, after adding the complete xkb package and setting the layout, it still doesn't work, I've to investigate better, but there's someone that claims that with the pc105 it works for him
Dec 28 15:12:20 <DocScrutinizer51> maybe *some* stuff breaks
Dec 28 15:12:22 <PaulFertser> X-Fade: any idea why tf the plugins were disabled?
Dec 28 15:12:31 <VDVsx> DocScrutinizer51, more info here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38372&highlight=pc105
Dec 28 15:12:49 <DocScrutinizer51> VDVsx: thanks
Dec 28 15:13:09 <VDVsx> X server is a new area for me, so perhaps :D
Dec 28 15:13:11 <X-Fade> PaulFertser: No gui, not in spec for fremantle?
Dec 28 15:14:35 <dnaumov> yay, just unpacked my N900 and applied a zagg invisibleshield :)
Dec 28 15:14:49 <DocScrutinizer51> My suspicions are we face same situation with hostmode
Dec 28 15:15:28 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer51: Nah, this doesn't require hardware nor kernel changes.
Dec 28 15:15:38 <tstaerk> Hi, I want to compile on my N810
Dec 28 15:15:40 <tstaerk> Nokia-N810-43-7:/media/mmc1# gcc-3.4 main.c
Dec 28 15:15:40 <tstaerk> gcc-3.4: Internal error: Illegal instruction (program as)
Dec 28 15:15:40 <tstaerk> Please submit a full bug report.
Dec 28 15:15:40 <tstaerk> Send email to arm-gnu@codesourcery.com for instructions.
Dec 28 15:15:41 <Veggen> I've been walking past my local cell phone dealer that's supposed to carry the N900...for the 4th time.
Dec 28 15:15:50 <tstaerk> what can I do?
Dec 28 15:16:01 <tstaerk> how can I find out what maemo version I have?
Dec 28 15:16:26 <Veggen> It got one batch in the beginning, of a few n900s, but since then it hasn't gotten any in...supposedly sold out all over Scandinavia.
Dec 28 15:17:04 <VDVsx> DocScrutinizer51, just for the record, the bluez HID stuff works pretty well, everything is received and rerouted, the problem is somewhere else (X, I suspect)
Dec 28 15:18:02 <tstaerk> I am looking at http://repository.maemo.org/pool/ to download software, but I do not know what maemo version I have or if I have os2008.
Dec 28 15:18:11 <tstaerk> And I do not know what the difference is.
Dec 28 15:18:30 <ShadowJK> os2008 = N800, N810
Dec 28 15:18:49 <tstaerk> cool, thanks
Dec 28 15:18:49 <PaulFertser> X-Fade: hm, i can't see how it justifies disabling bluez plugins but well...
Dec 28 15:19:07 <DocScrutinizer51> X-Fade: I'm aware the BT hid is a simpler case. Still we *might* have allthe chips in place for usb hostmode and still the drivers are missing due to fremantle
Dec 28 15:19:19 <X-Fade> PaulFertser: It is just a config file, don't make more out of it then it is ;)
Dec 28 15:19:32 <pupnik> is anybody able to do more than BS about host-mode?
Dec 28 15:19:53 <PaulFertser> X-Fade: it's just mad surprising to have bluez crippled on purpose. It would trick me and probably demand ours to understand it's just disabled.
Dec 28 15:20:03 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer51: Then enable it in your own kernel? That is what opensource is all about, checking things out yourself.
Dec 28 15:20:25 <X-Fade> PaulFertser: The guy coding bluez works for nokia. And he created this wiki page.
Dec 28 15:20:58 <X-Fade> PaulFertser: Don't search anything more behind this then, we don't need it: disable it.
Dec 28 15:21:15 <PaulFertser> X-Fade: ok
Dec 28 15:21:31 <X-Fade> PaulFertser: He gave a talk at the summit btw.
Dec 28 15:23:11 <VDVsx> PaulFertser, having it enabled will cause a lot of bug reports and noise :), since it's broken/not supported
Dec 28 15:23:15 <PaulFertser> X-Fade: Marcel? Ok, i hope everybody enjoyed.
Dec 28 15:23:26 <ShadowJK> tstaerk, where did you get your gcc from?
Dec 28 15:23:36 <X-Fade> PaulFertser: About enabling these parts and playing with it.
Dec 28 15:23:40 <Robot101> X-Fade: marcel works for redhat
Dec 28 15:23:47 <Robot101> wait, intel
Dec 28 15:23:51 <Robot101> he moved this year :)
Dec 28 15:23:53 <VDVsx> intel
Dec 28 15:23:58 <X-Fade> Robot101: Ehm, well got paid by...
Dec 28 15:23:59 <DocScrutinizer51> X-Fade: PaulFertser is scrutinizing the kernel about hostmode. I'm stuck with 'test custom kernel' on my todo list
Dec 28 15:24:07 * Robot101 thought one thing and typed another... :D
Dec 28 15:24:16 <kamui> if I want to get the SDL dev libraries to work with in the scratchbox, would I just do a fakeroot apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev ?
Dec 28 15:24:17 <X-Fade> Robot101: hehe
Dec 28 15:24:21 <VDVsx> the nokian is Johan, not marcel
Dec 28 15:24:48 <kamui> or is there more to the story than that
Dec 28 15:24:58 <woglinde> kamui yes
Dec 28 15:25:08 <woglinde> only apt-get install
Dec 28 15:25:22 <kamui> so I dont even need the fakeroot
Dec 28 15:25:25 <kamui> ok sweet
Dec 28 15:25:47 <kamui> or was fakeroot only for use with the arm build
Dec 28 15:25:55 <woglinde> only for dpkg-buildpackage
Dec 28 15:26:02 <PaulFertser> VDVsx: how is it broken then? No gui doesn't mean things are broken. Hell, many people blame bluez for the lack of any UI whatsoever, especially a decent console ui.
Dec 28 15:26:06 <kamui> that is fantastic news
Dec 28 15:26:09 <kamui> thanks woglinde
Dec 28 15:26:16 <woglinde> any only because buildpackage is so old
Dec 28 15:26:23 <Stskeeps> PaulFertser: why enable a feature by standard there's no UI for? that's not very embedded thinking :)
Dec 28 15:26:24 <DocScrutinizer51> X-Fade: was that talk about usb hm as well? would you incidentally drop in a booth of some hw guy to ask if there is any power source for USB-VBUS at all?
Dec 28 15:26:29 <woglinde> on latest debian buildpackage does fakeroot autmagicly
Dec 28 15:27:00 <PaulFertser> Stskeeps: the UI is called dbus-send and is present on any modern embedded device.
Dec 28 15:27:03 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer51: I'm a few K km away from there, so no.
Dec 28 15:27:16 <VDVsx> PaulFertser, the pc105 layout is missing among other problems related to the X server, see my links above
Dec 28 15:27:25 <Stskeeps> PaulFertser: anyway. do you enable every single switch on your linux configuration?
Dec 28 15:27:28 <PaulFertser> VDVsx: not a decent excuse to disable a plugin, imho.
Dec 28 15:27:43 <Stskeeps> it's better to enable them when there's a feature that can enable it by itself and show UI
Dec 28 15:27:53 <PaulFertser> Stskeeps: come on bluetooth HID is something everybody expects to be enabled on a device like that.
Dec 28 15:27:55 <X-Fade> Doesn't enabling the plugin advertise the capabilities too?
Dec 28 15:28:07 <PaulFertser> Anyway, gtg, thanks folks.
Dec 28 15:28:21 <Stskeeps> PaulFertser: in bizzarro maemo world, maybe
Dec 28 15:28:50 <VDVsx> PaulFertser, why you want to enable it, if it doesn't fully works ?
Dec 28 15:29:57 <VDVsx> X-Fade, yes, people will be able to connect keyboards, and then will complain about it :)
Dec 28 15:29:57 <DocScrutinizer51> PaulFertser: it's just a sane best practice to disable drivers and free the bytes' for functions you definitely don't need (whoever is the one to decide on this 'definitely' ;)
Dec 28 15:30:24 <Miniscalope> someone know if there is a Dbus calls documentation for maemo where i can find all signals and all method calls i can send or catch??
Dec 28 15:30:25 <tstaerk> ShadowJK: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/g/gcc-3.4/
Dec 28 15:31:32 <ShadowJK> tstaerk, if you have an N810 you most likely have Maemo 4.0 or 4.1 (OS2008) (Diablo). You don't want to use packages from maemo5.0, they're compiled for newer arm processor and that's why you get illegal instruction
Dec 28 15:31:53 <tstaerk> ShadowJK: great, that makes sense.
Dec 28 15:32:08 <tstaerk> ShadowJK: how can I find out what maemo I have?
Dec 28 15:32:21 <DocScrutinizer51> Miniscalope: th5's one of the most wanted documents :-D
Dec 28 15:32:44 <ShadowJK> tstaerk, Settings -> Control Panel -> About Product
Dec 28 15:33:34 <tstaerk> cool, I feel like a noob again
Dec 28 15:33:39 <tstaerk> ShadowJK: thanks
Dec 28 15:33:54 <ShadowJK> what did it say?
Dec 28 15:34:06 <tstaerk> ShadowJK: maemo Linux based OS2008 Version:5.2008.43-7
Dec 28 15:34:14 <ShadowJK> ok that's latest
Dec 28 15:34:14 <tstaerk> what maemo do I have now?
Dec 28 15:34:19 * DocScrutinizer51 humms "like viihihirrrrgin...' ;P
Dec 28 15:34:28 <ShadowJK> Maemo 4.1 Diablo OS2000 ;-)
Dec 28 15:34:38 <tstaerk> but it says Version 5
Dec 28 15:34:42 <ShadowJK> it lies
Dec 28 15:34:44 <tstaerk> ok, ok...
Dec 28 15:34:45 <ShadowJK> I'm sure
Dec 28 15:34:59 <Miniscalope> DocScrutinizer51: do you know how can i know what application is on top ?
Dec 28 15:35:14 <tstaerk> so do I have maemo or Os2008?
Dec 28 15:35:26 <ShadowJK> Same thing
Dec 28 15:35:35 <ShadowJK> Maemo 4 = OS2008
Dec 28 15:36:11 <DocScrutinizer51> Good question. Honestly I'm a real noob on maemo based development
Dec 28 15:36:30 <Miniscalope> :-S
Dec 28 15:36:50 <ShadowJK> tstaerk, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo#Version_history :)
Dec 28 15:36:57 * tstaerk recovers from his "the world is evil" spirit thanks to ShadowJK
Dec 28 15:37:55 <tstaerk> so I have diablo which is a OS 2008 which is a maemo
Dec 28 15:38:16 <DocScrutinizer51> maemo OS2008 V5.2008.43-7
Dec 28 15:38:17 <tstaerk> what does osso3 and osso8 mean?
Dec 28 15:38:39 <Stskeeps> hey zerojay
Dec 28 15:38:43 <zerojay> Hey
Dec 28 15:38:48 <DocScrutinizer51> aka diablo
Dec 28 15:39:12 <kamui> jesus
Dec 28 15:39:24 <kamui> setting up openssh-server in the scratchbox is taking a fucking year
Dec 28 15:39:30 <kamui> freeking, pardon my language there
Dec 28 15:39:43 <ShadowJK> http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames also
Dec 28 15:39:46 <woglinde> kamui entropy
Dec 28 15:39:59 <woglinde> but why you need sshserver inside sratchbox?
Dec 28 15:39:59 <tstaerk> kamui: but it pays :)
Dec 28 15:40:09 <tstaerk> woglinde: to use a real keyboard
Dec 28 15:40:25 <tstaerk> sorry, was stupid
Dec 28 15:40:28 <woglinde> lol
Dec 28 15:40:28 <toggles_w> ptc
Dec 28 15:40:29 <DocScrutinizer51> woglinde: lol. for generating the key seed?
Dec 28 15:40:29 <kamui> it just forced the upgrade
Dec 28 15:40:47 <kamui> I surely dont need it in teh scratchbox
Dec 28 15:40:55 <kamui> but it appears to be too late to stop it
Dec 28 15:41:07 <siriusnova> Needs more N900 update
Dec 28 15:41:08 <siriusnova> :(
Dec 28 15:41:28 <siriusnova> isnt there an N900 firmware floating around somewhere
Dec 28 15:41:38 <kamui> no lie, its been setting up openssh server for about 5 minutes
Dec 28 15:42:22 <DocScrutinizer51> siriusnova: in your device's NAND!
Dec 28 15:42:29 <siriusnova> :|
Dec 28 15:43:13 <ShadowJK> siriusnova, weren't you asking yesterday too?+
Dec 28 15:43:14 <siriusnova> apart from my NAND
Dec 28 15:43:14 <siriusnova> i heard there was a firmware released to testers
Dec 28 15:43:14 <siriusnova> I wants it!!!
Dec 28 15:43:20 <siriusnova> nope
Dec 28 15:43:50 <DocScrutinizer51> kamui: well if it generates a 8096bit keypair :-P
Dec 28 15:45:15 <DocScrutinizer51> siriusnova: prereleases aren't released to those who want!!! it XD
Dec 28 15:45:16 <kamui> damn it
Dec 28 15:45:16 <wazd> wow! Picodrive is awesome!
Dec 28 15:45:20 <kamui> I need to kill this
Dec 28 15:45:23 <siriusnova> :?
Dec 28 15:46:05 <kamui> killed the openssh-server setting up
Dec 28 15:46:09 <kamui> and removed both packages
Dec 28 15:46:13 <VDVsx> wazd, port it to maemo ;)
Dec 28 15:46:16 <kamui> really no point, not sure why it started
Dec 28 15:46:28 <kamui> anyway, looks like I got what i wanted, sdl and sdl-image
Dec 28 15:46:30 <wazd> VDVsx: yeah, I'm on it :D
Dec 28 15:46:49 <wazd> VDVsx: I can pase sega screenshot into maemo UI, that counts? :D
Dec 28 15:46:51 <VDVsx> wazd, eehhe, you're the master ;)
Dec 28 15:47:11 <VDVsx> wazd, for a fake, sounds good :D
Dec 28 15:48:04 <GAN900> I wish Boxwave would release a screenprotector already.
Dec 28 15:48:30 <wazd> btw jezuschrist! Road Rash!
Dec 28 15:50:03 * fcrozat received his brando n900 protection.. need to install it
Dec 28 15:53:51 <philo> do you guys thinks it is possible to have a resistive screen with the gorilla-glass thing ?
Dec 28 15:54:57 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: generating private key pairs on anything but the target server isn't a very good idea
Dec 28 15:57:34 <DocScrutinizer51> crashanddie: well here the definition of 'target' was at least a lttle fuzzy :-P
Dec 28 15:58:24 <jebba> hey, a friend of mine just got a new n900 and the camera application crashes on launch *every* time.  Some posts in talk.m.o suggest that it is a corrupt vfat FS. But this is a non-tech user, so doing fsck from another machine is out-of-the-question (plus a lame fix). Any suggestions as to what this could be?
Dec 28 15:59:33 <X-Fade> jebba: Does he use the torch app?
Dec 28 16:00:35 <DocScrutinizer51> jebba: run a fsck on N900 natively then?
Dec 28 16:01:35 <DocScrutinizer51> still a lame solution. But hey iirc it's an active ticket
Dec 28 16:02:09 <SpeedEvil> Odd.
Dec 28 16:02:23 <SpeedEvil> I'm sure I saw format card under settings -> memory
Dec 28 16:02:50 <DocScrutinizer51> SpeedEvil: not so for eMMC I guess
Dec 28 16:03:07 <SpeedEvil> it seems gto have gone away
Dec 28 16:03:10 <SpeedEvil> maybe I imagined it
Dec 28 16:03:44 <DocScrutinizer51> SpeedEvil: nah. for sure there is for unformated uSD
Dec 28 16:04:04 <Neostrider> hello there
Dec 28 16:04:36 <DocScrutinizer51> neo?
Dec 28 16:04:55 <Neostrider> call my strider, please ;-)
Dec 28 16:05:20 <Neostrider> what up, DocScrutinizer51
Dec 28 16:05:22 <Neostrider> ?
Dec 28 16:05:26 <DocScrutinizer51> call you OM?
Dec 28 16:06:13 <Neostrider> OM?
Dec 28 16:06:43 <DocScrutinizer51> Openmoko Neo Freerunner / Neo1973
Dec 28 16:07:54 <jebba> X-Fade: no torch app (fresh install noobie, nothing weird)
Dec 28 16:07:56 <DocScrutinizer51> obviously I was wrong
Dec 28 16:08:19 <jebba> DocScrutinizer51: not sure abotu running fsck on teh n900, except hoping a reboot does it (which was tried).
Dec 28 16:10:57 <Neostrider> DocScrutinizer51:  I wish I was involved with that, but the closest thing I had with it was running it on my phone (Motorola A1200i)
Dec 28 16:12:35 <DocScrutinizer51> Neostrider: what? Openmoko system? on A1200?
Dec 28 16:12:54 <DocScrutinizer51> jebba: I don't think boot runs fsck
Dec 28 16:12:59 <Neostrider> exactly , I've tried the OM system on my phone
Dec 28 16:13:14 <Neostrider> but It started overheating and I had to pull of the battery
Dec 28 16:13:53 <tstaerk> I have a problem compiling:
Dec 28 16:13:56 <tstaerk> Nokia-N810-43-7:/media/mmc1# gcc-3.4 main.c
Dec 28 16:13:56 <tstaerk> /usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory
Dec 28 16:15:48 <DocScrutinizer51> ouch
Dec 28 16:16:21 <ShadowJK> do you have libc-dev?
Dec 28 16:18:25 <tstaerk> I cannot get it from
Dec 28 16:18:30 <tstaerk> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.2/free/g/gcc-3.4/
Dec 28 16:18:44 <tstaerk> Or, differently: how do I get that?
Dec 28 16:18:44 <pupnik_> can we safely suspend browserd?
Dec 28 16:18:59 <pupnik_> it is sitting there chewing my cpu with no pages open
Dec 28 16:19:19 <pupnik_> like a bored dog
Dec 28 16:19:46 <tstaerk> damn! libc is to be found under g
Dec 28 16:19:48 <tstaerk> like glibc
Dec 28 16:20:09 <pupnik_> :)
Dec 28 16:20:24 <pupnik_> gnu's not unix
Dec 28 16:26:03 <wazd> another question for symbian users, is there any app to trace WiFi signal realtime?
Dec 28 16:26:39 <kamui> im having a problem building a basic sdl app in the scratchbox
Dec 28 16:26:47 <kamui> keep getting the was not declaared in this scope error
Dec 28 16:27:47 <Neostrider> kamui: what is your compiler line command?
Dec 28 16:28:26 <kamui> g++ helloworld.cpp -o helloworld $(sdl-config --cflags) -L libSDL.a
Dec 28 16:29:25 <kamui> the error appears to only affect line 9, which is screen = SDL-SetVideoMode (800,480,16,SDL_SWSURFACE);
Dec 28 16:29:53 <kamui> its complaining about SDL, SDL_SWSURFACE, SetVideoMode
Dec 28 16:29:56 <Neostrider> the correct is SDL_SetVideoMode
Dec 28 16:30:30 <pupnik> why link to libSDL.a
Dec 28 16:30:37 <pupnik> to have it static?
Dec 28 16:30:40 <kamui> man, Im a twerp, should have seen that
Dec 28 16:30:56 <Neostrider> dont worry
Dec 28 16:31:11 <kamui> well, this is my first shot at building an N900 app, so I was trying to avoid worrying about deps for now
Dec 28 16:31:13 <Neostrider> sometimes we stare a code for too long and start making simple mistakes
Dec 28 16:31:30 <Neostrider> SDL is a sure way to get a simple App running in no time
Dec 28 16:31:58 <pupnik>  -L/usr/lib -lSDL  is what i link-in
Dec 28 16:32:08 <Neostrider> pupnik: do you know anything about special g++ command line optimization swtiches for N770 and N8x0?
Dec 28 16:32:29 <pupnik> yes, select the correct cpu and arch
Dec 28 16:32:30 <Neostrider> pupnik: its actually better to trust the SDL script
Dec 28 16:32:35 <pupnik> k
Dec 28 16:32:40 <Neostrider> (sbox doesnt do it for you?)
Dec 28 16:32:54 <pupnik> echo $CFLAGS $CXXFLAGS
Dec 28 16:33:08 <Neostrider> `sdl-config --cflags --libs`
Dec 28 16:33:29 <kamui> man
Dec 28 16:33:32 <kamui> I didn't know about --libs
Dec 28 16:33:39 <kamui> and that solved everything :-D
Dec 28 16:34:10 <Neostrider> great =-D
Dec 28 16:34:26 <pupnik> for n800 try -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp
Dec 28 16:34:30 <pupnik> maybe -fast-math
Dec 28 16:34:31 <kamui> sweet
Dec 28 16:34:33 <kamui> looks like it worked too
Dec 28 16:34:36 <kamui> screen flashed
Dec 28 16:34:42 <kamui> and then I got the window manager
Dec 28 16:34:49 <kamui> well, the multitasking selector
Dec 28 16:34:49 <Neostrider> I've always used -fast-math
Dec 28 16:34:55 <Neostrider> kamui: device?
Dec 28 16:35:02 <kamui> no, scratchbox
Dec 28 16:35:10 <kamui> device should arrive in about an hour
Dec 28 16:35:11 <kamui> :)
Dec 28 16:35:16 <Neostrider> congrats!
Dec 28 16:35:27 <Neostrider> myself, im going to buy a beagleboard very soon
Dec 28 16:35:43 <kamui> for no apparent reason I had convinced myself this was going to be an extra complex dev environment
Dec 28 16:35:47 <Neostrider> pupnik:  and how about the N770?
Dec 28 16:36:03 <Neostrider> kamui: it is until you get its grasp
Dec 28 16:37:02 <pupnik> http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-1330.html  Neostrider
Dec 28 16:37:11 <Neostrider> thanks
Dec 28 16:37:17 <lardman> evening chaps
Dec 28 16:37:23 <pupnik> evening lardman
Dec 28 16:37:29 <Neostrider> lardman:  evening
Dec 28 16:40:06 <lardman> andre__: you about?
Dec 28 16:45:24 <lardman> hmm, anyone happen to remember what # the bug on app manager remembering its position in the list after an install is?
Dec 28 16:46:20 <lardman> ah, 5135 fwiw
Dec 28 16:46:38 <kamui> damn, the scratchbox crashes a lot
Dec 28 16:46:46 <kamui> well Xephyr does anyway
Dec 28 16:50:40 <lardman> hmm, something has regressed in the past two flash images for the N900 as I now have real troubles connecting to my router
Dec 28 16:52:52 <Stskeeps> reboot wifi router
Dec 28 16:53:17 <lardman> yeah, getting that feeling
Dec 28 16:53:21 <lardman> bbiam
Dec 28 16:55:03 <lardman> hmm, /me looks for the reboot button
Dec 28 16:55:13 <GAN900> lardman, yes, VERIFIED it yesterday.
Dec 28 16:55:49 <lardman> I think it's still broken
Dec 28 16:56:12 <lardman> in that it now spits you out to the "All" list rather than leaving you in whatever subsection you had chosen
Dec 28 16:56:26 <lardman> if I could actually connect to the web I'd test it again and reopen the bug
Dec 28 16:56:35 * lardman pulls the wall plug, brb
Dec 28 16:57:33 <GAN900> I wish it wouldn't count two APs with same SSID and different channels as separate networks. . . .
Dec 28 16:58:56 <lardman|home> re
Dec 28 16:59:36 <lardman|home> hmm, Stskeeps still troubles here, I stand by my regression commnet
Dec 28 17:00:26 <lardman|home> actually was only in the pre-Xmas image now I think about it, had all sorts of troubles trying to re-install the package list as I had to keep rebooting the N900
Dec 28 17:10:54 <kamui> is there a quick command to kill a stopped process?
Dec 28 17:11:08 <kamui> eg, if I ctrl-z a fg process, I can use bg to background it or fg to return it
Dec 28 17:11:14 <kamui> how about a quick way like that to kill it
Dec 28 17:11:20 <kamui> short of a kill -9 with the pid
Dec 28 17:15:05 <Neostrider> -mcpu=arm926ej-s  -march=armv5 doesnt seem to make much diference for N770
Dec 28 17:16:13 <thresh> adding random flags wouldnt help
Dec 28 17:16:28 <Neostrider> thresh: what do you suggest?
Dec 28 17:16:28 <thresh> -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mtune=cortex-a8 -march=armv7-a -mfpu=neon -mfloat-abi=softfp could help.
Dec 28 17:16:29 <zash> kamui: ^Z kill %1
Dec 28 17:16:46 <Neostrider> thresh: Nokia N770 , not Nokia N900
Dec 28 17:16:53 <thresh> ahh
Dec 28 17:16:54 <thresh> sorry
Dec 28 17:17:04 <zash> kamui: %1 would be a shortcut for whatever pid of the first suspended/backgrounded process
Dec 28 17:17:47 <kamui> genius
Dec 28 17:17:49 <zash> kamui: if you ^Z a process it says "[1]+  Stopped"
Dec 28 17:17:52 <kamui> kill -9 %1
Dec 28 17:18:21 <zash> the number in [ ] is what you use then
Dec 28 17:18:37 <kamui> understood
Dec 28 17:18:45 <zash> you can use them with bg/fg too
Dec 28 17:18:56 <kamui> in reality, I should just code an exit routine into my misbehaving app :)
Dec 28 17:24:40 <Neostrider> gtg []s
Dec 28 17:28:41 <lardman|home> bug 7315
Dec 28 17:28:42 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7315 X Terminal application icon looks ugly compared with previous versions
Dec 28 17:29:29 <LuciusMare> hi
Dec 28 17:29:47 <LuciusMare> could you please gently kick me into direction where can i find informations for porting apps to maemo?
Dec 28 17:29:56 <pupnik> what kind of apps LuciusMare
Dec 28 17:29:57 <LuciusMare> i just need to recompile the app
Dec 28 17:30:03 <pupnik> depends on what it uses
Dec 28 17:30:03 <LuciusMare> the app "talk"
Dec 28 17:30:11 <pupnik> is it a windows 95 app?
Dec 28 17:30:23 <pupnik> ah ok
Dec 28 17:30:54 <pupnik> http://maemo.org/development/
Dec 28 17:30:58 * wiretapped is at http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/Fahrplan/events/3507.en.html
Dec 28 17:31:26 <pupnik> cool stuff wiretapped
Dec 28 17:31:57 <pupnik> fastest start is to download the vmware sdk LuciusMare then compile the hello world in it
Dec 28 17:33:45 <LuciusMare> pupnik: it's a CLI app
Dec 28 17:35:06 <pupnik> if you have a working sdk, apt-get source [packagename]
Dec 28 17:35:14 <pupnik> cd to the source tree root
Dec 28 17:35:20 <pupnik> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
Dec 28 17:36:11 <LuciusMare> ? :o
Dec 28 17:36:28 <LuciusMare> no "./configure;make;obscure ocmmands;optify;profit" ?
Dec 28 17:41:16 <LuciusMare> oh and,has ynbody ported the "netcat" to maemo yet?
Dec 28 17:43:02 * SpeedEvil wants to see netcat with finger-friendly GUI.
Dec 28 17:43:37 <SpeedEvil> apt-get install netcat
Dec 28 17:43:42 <SpeedEvil> Get:1 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free netcat 1.10-32osso2 [67.8kB]
Dec 28 17:43:54 <pupnik> there is 'socat'
Dec 28 17:44:51 <kamui> more sdl help
Dec 28 17:44:56 <kamui> what do I need to include events
Dec 28 17:45:09 <kamui> is there a separate SDL events-dev lib I need
Dec 28 17:45:17 <kamui> in fact, that was a stupid question
Dec 28 17:45:19 <kamui> forget I asked it
Dec 28 17:45:35 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5
Dec 28 17:45:41 <SpeedEvil> ->lu
Dec 28 17:47:24 <lardman|home> hmm, could of sworn I'd seen it before but can't find it now. Anyone seen where the autofocus stuff is actually passed out of gstreamer and to the hw? I'd like to try implementing this in Python
Dec 28 17:47:49 <kevloral> Hi all
Dec 28 17:57:06 <LuciusMare> wait
Dec 28 17:57:14 <LuciusMare> SpeedEvil: what repository should i add?
Dec 28 18:00:42 <SpeedEvil> LuciusMare: All of them!
Dec 28 18:00:50 <SpeedEvil> extras at least.
Dec 28 18:00:53 <SpeedEvil> tools is good.
Dec 28 18:01:08 <SpeedEvil> extras-dev-random-untested
Dec 28 18:01:59 <LuciusMare> huh
Dec 28 18:02:14 <LuciusMare> its not in extras
Dec 28 18:02:24 <SpeedEvil> the tools repository has lots of command line stuff.
Dec 28 18:02:36 <LuciusMare> hm
Dec 28 18:02:44 <LuciusMare> url and components?
Dec 28 18:02:58 <SpeedEvil> see teh above wiki page
Dec 28 18:16:09 <kamui> suite!
Dec 28 18:16:13 <kamui> my N900 just arrived
Dec 28 18:16:39 <kamui> damn, touch is pretty sensitive for a resisitive screen
Dec 28 18:16:44 <kamui> and I like the haptic
Dec 28 18:22:48 * RST38h mentions the Tentacled's name in vain
Dec 28 18:25:47 <kamui> whats the default lock code
Dec 28 18:25:57 <kamui> tried 0000 1234 123456 0-9
Dec 28 18:26:23 <Stskeeps> 12345
Dec 28 18:26:50 <kamui> wow, thanks
Dec 28 18:26:51 <kamui> :)
Dec 28 18:27:16 <ShadowJK> lol
Dec 28 18:27:29 <mtnbkr> the extr "5" is for extra security :)
Dec 28 18:34:02 <kamui> anyone set up google's exchange with M4e?
Dec 28 18:34:09 <kamui> MfE :)
Dec 28 18:34:43 <Robot101> it doesn't work
Dec 28 18:34:58 <dnaumov> has anyone here succesfully done a sync/backup/restore of data from N95 to N900? my contacts/calender tranfer fine, but my Notes dont
Dec 28 18:35:20 <Robot101> kamui: MfE on the N900 doesn't support the right version of the server, that google provides...
Dec 28 18:35:38 <Jaffa> kamui: Go via www.nuevasync.com
Dec 28 18:35:39 <Robot101> kamui: there are threads on talk.maemo.org about it but basically expect poor results, unless/until Nokia fix it up
Dec 28 18:36:06 <kamui> I read a ton on it in talk
Dec 28 18:36:19 <kamui> half the comments say it works, the other half say it doesn't
Dec 28 18:36:25 <kamui> so I was wondering what you guys were seeing
Dec 28 18:36:32 <Robot101> you can plug the settings in but it doesn't work, my brother tried it like 2 days ago
Dec 28 18:36:39 <Robot101> it looks like its working but syncs nothing, we found
Dec 28 18:36:44 <Jaffa> kamui: As Robot101, using Google's ActiveSync service directly is flaky, but nuevasync have been working on compatibility since Sept. when timsamoff and I first tried it. Working well now.
Dec 28 18:37:01 <kamui> nuevasync
Dec 28 18:37:04 <kamui> haven't used that in a while
Dec 28 18:37:10 <kamui> does it finally support multiple calendars
Dec 28 18:37:17 <kamui> and email?
Dec 28 18:37:49 <Jaffa> It merges them for the N900, but can support multiple calendars on some devices, apparently. Not tried email, but works well for calendar.
Dec 28 18:38:08 <kamui> I really mostly only care about calendar and contacts
Dec 28 18:38:14 <kamui> mail can just be simple imap
Dec 28 18:38:50 <kamui> yes, I see what you mean
Dec 28 18:38:52 <kamui> just completed a sync
Dec 28 18:38:53 <Jaffa> Indeed. I use IMAP for email with Gmail and NuevaSync for calendar.
Dec 28 18:38:55 <kamui> and no contacts
Dec 28 18:42:30 <Arkenoi> does nuevasync copy event descriptions properly?
Dec 28 18:42:43 <Robot101> I wish there was some working SyncML
Dec 28 18:42:51 <Arkenoi> yep
Dec 28 18:42:53 <Robot101> I should make a deal with mobical and get some minions to work on it or something
Dec 28 18:43:01 <kamui> one more thing
Dec 28 18:43:01 <Arkenoi> syncml is definitely better than activesync
Dec 28 18:43:02 <Robot101> worth sending an e-mail tbh, actually
Dec 28 18:43:08 <kamui> so im still using MfE
Dec 28 18:43:12 <kamui> but with the nuevasync server settings
Dec 28 18:43:19 <kamui> instead of the m.google.com settings
Dec 28 18:43:51 <Jaffa> Arkenoi: yup, although Calendar doesn't make URLs clickable. Hmm, must report that.
Dec 28 18:46:17 <ruskie> well atleast calendar seems to have some idea that there are other than only local or special calendars... would be nice to see ical and syncml support
Dec 28 18:46:52 <Wolfie> is there a way to sync the n900 calendar with google calendar?
Dec 28 18:47:47 <luke-jr> do do do do dooooo
Dec 28 18:50:45 <toggles_w> Wolfie: mail for exchange
Dec 28 18:51:17 <Jaffa> Wolfie: scroll up, it's what we've been discussing. Short answer: www.nuevasync.com's free account and Settings > Mail for Exchange
Dec 28 18:51:38 <Wolfie> sorry for that. thanks
Dec 28 18:52:10 <Jaffa> Wolfie: np :)
Dec 28 18:54:31 <clmntch> hello
Dec 28 18:55:01 <clmntch> some ass hole tried to send me a keylogger
Dec 28 18:55:07 <kamui> lol
Dec 28 18:55:16 <ruskie> actually no
Dec 28 18:55:18 <ShadowJK> dcc send to entire channel
Dec 28 18:55:25 <clmntch> ahhh
Dec 28 18:55:27 <ruskie> they were trying to disconnect people
Dec 28 18:55:44 <ruskie> there was some bug in norton firewall or whatever a few years ago
Dec 28 18:55:57 <ruskie> if it spoted keylogger in the string it disconnected
Dec 28 18:56:09 <clmntch> heh
Dec 28 18:56:40 <ruskie> most linux chans didn't have any probs
Dec 28 18:57:18 <clmntch> all of my boxes are linux, so i don't need to worry, but it still pissed me off that he/she tried
Dec 28 18:57:58 <kamui> can't believe the N900 is a linux tablet
Dec 28 18:57:59 <RST38h> Moo, ShadowJK
Dec 28 18:58:01 <kamui> yet it has no tab key
Dec 28 18:58:12 <RST38h> no escape key is more of a problem
Dec 28 18:58:12 <kamui> probably have to map a shortcut to something like shift space
Dec 28 18:58:17 <kamui> yea, that too
Dec 28 18:58:24 <lardman|home> hmm, thankfully Norton has plugged that bug
Dec 28 18:58:37 <lardman|home> otherwise someone is currently reading my taps
Dec 28 18:58:39 <ruskie> well irssi seems to be smart enough to ignore the bad dccs anyway
Dec 28 18:58:49 <luke-jr> ...
Dec 28 18:58:53 <luke-jr> not just Norton
Dec 28 18:58:54 <ruskie> lardman|home, actually it just disconnected you nothing else :)
Dec 28 18:58:58 <luke-jr> a lot of SOHO routers too
Dec 28 18:59:04 <ruskie> true
Dec 28 18:59:08 <lardman|home> ah
Dec 28 18:59:25 <luke-jr> go into any major IRC channel and do it, a couple of people will likely be d/c'd
Dec 28 18:59:30 <luke-jr> and you will likely get K-lined ;)
Dec 28 18:59:34 <ruskie> :)
Dec 28 18:59:53 * ruskie is happy his fw is an openbsd box
Dec 28 19:00:06 <luke-jr> Freenode even has a script in #Ubuntu to K-line for it automatically :p
Dec 28 19:00:24 <ruskie> I would say the better location would be #windows ;)
Dec 28 19:00:31 <kamui> lol
Dec 28 19:00:32 <dmz> howdy y'all; any n810 users here? i just reflashed mine and was wondering if there was any easy way to install and have root be on the flash disk; or some way to be able to use the flash for extra space; i don't install that many apps; but it fills up the tiny / partition setup pretty quick (canola alone is 100M+ w/all it's plugins)
Dec 28 19:07:50 <ShadowJK> http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
Dec 28 19:08:39 <kamui> I've played with pidgin in the scratchbox
Dec 28 19:08:52 <kamui> however, is there a better way to get msn integrated
Dec 28 19:08:58 <kamui> I like the whole systemwide integration
Dec 28 19:09:06 <kamui> or should I just be looking at jabber with transports
Dec 28 19:09:26 <luke-jr> you should just refuse to use MSN
Dec 28 19:09:29 <luke-jr> :)
Dec 28 19:10:13 <adeus> or use bitlbee :)
Dec 28 19:10:29 <luke-jr> -.-
Dec 28 19:10:29 <K`> no way, it took me years to get everyone I know off of aim
Dec 28 19:10:40 <K`> stale connection I see
Dec 28 19:10:47 <luke-jr> K`: so you should have got them on to standard services, not MSN
Dec 28 19:10:57 <K`> give me an example
Dec 28 19:11:16 <luke-jr> Jabber, Google Talk, Gizmo
Dec 28 19:11:28 <K`> jabber wasn't going to happen
Dec 28 19:11:43 <K`> too complex for some of my family
Dec 28 19:11:51 <luke-jr> nonsense
Dec 28 19:11:54 <K`> google talk was an option, but too much resistance
Dec 28 19:12:13 <luke-jr> there's no complexity for end users any more than any other protocol
Dec 28 19:12:35 <K`> well, its not really important now
Dec 28 19:12:52 <K`> what do you use luke-jr
Dec 28 19:13:31 <luke-jr> K`: I run my own private service for my family\.
Dec 28 19:13:41 <RST38h> Iiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting
Dec 28 19:13:43 <K`> I was referring to on your N900
Dec 28 19:13:46 <RST38h> Check this out: http://maemos.ru/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/screenshot2009122814174.png
Dec 28 19:13:50 <luke-jr> which of course federates with any other standard compliant service
Dec 28 19:13:54 <luke-jr> K`: I don't own a N900
Dec 28 19:13:55 <RST38h> see anything different?
Dec 28 19:13:59 <luke-jr> K`: want to buy me one?
Dec 28 19:14:03 <K`> lol
Dec 28 19:14:04 <ShadowJK> RST38h, games, apps
Dec 28 19:14:09 <K`> I could barely buy myself one :)
Dec 28 19:14:20 <luke-jr> I have a N810 with Gentoo
Dec 28 19:15:00 <zerojay> luke-jr: You know, you can just say "I run a Jabber server" instead of trying to sound like you're doing something all important-like. :)
Dec 28 19:15:14 <RST38h> ShadowJK: Apparently, you CAN create folders in Maemo5 menus
Dec 28 19:15:21 <luke-jr> zerojay: it's not Jabber. Jabber is a specific XMPP service.
Dec 28 19:15:36 <RST38h> ShadowJK: But it does not work very reliably, the poster reports that he has killed his device doing this
Dec 28 19:15:37 <K`> man, what did I start
Dec 28 19:15:42 <zerojay> Whatever.
Dec 28 19:15:47 <ShadowJK> RST38h, it's funny they motivated it with aligning with symbian, but there you can create folders too?
Dec 28 19:15:57 <zerojay> I don't care if they call it XMPP now.. it will always be Jabber to me.
Dec 28 19:15:59 <RST38h> ShadowJK: Of cause you can
Dec 28 19:16:16 <luke-jr> lol
Dec 28 19:16:42 <Robot101> Web / HTTP ~= Email / SMTP+POP+IMAP ~= Jabber / XMPP
Dec 28 19:16:48 <Robot101> the network as a whole is called Jabber too
Dec 28 19:16:56 <Robot101> jabber.org is a particular service
Dec 28 19:17:30 <zerojay> Gosh.. it's been... a loooooong time.
Dec 28 19:17:35 <luke-jr> how on earth did you ~= Web/HTTP with Email/SMTP+IMAP?
Dec 28 19:18:07 <zerojay> luke-jr: HTTP is called the web, just like SMTP/IMAP is called Email just like XMPP is called Jabber.
Dec 28 19:18:43 <Stskeeps> wb javispedro
Dec 28 19:18:44 <zerojay> At least that's my interpretation of what Robot is saying.
Dec 28 19:18:52 <luke-jr> zerojay: I see, in that case, I would argue that XMPP is called "instant messaging" :)
Dec 28 19:19:03 <javispedro> afternoon
Dec 28 19:21:06 <Robot101> luke-jr: not really, if you say "do you have an e-mail address?" and I give you an X.509 address which isn't a valid SMTP endpoint, you're going to think I'm an idiot :P
Dec 28 19:21:26 <woglinde> *g*
Dec 28 19:21:27 <ShadowJK> X.509 :D
Dec 28 19:21:37 <Robot101> the other e-mail protocols are irrelevant now, whereas the same is not true for IM
Dec 28 19:21:42 <Robot101> (unfortunately)
Dec 28 19:22:54 <ShadowJK> x.400..
Dec 28 19:23:06 <pupnik> export SDL_MOUSE_RELATIVE='0'  javispedro - that might fix some things
Dec 28 19:23:11 <luke-jr> Robot101: you're doing that backward
Dec 28 19:23:17 <GAN900> zerojay, on the upswing?
Dec 28 19:23:21 <luke-jr> and yes, I consider all non-XMPP protocols irrelevant for IM
Dec 28 19:23:40 <Robot101> luke-jr: yes, but in the real world, no.
Dec 28 19:23:51 <luke-jr> Robot101: in the real world, I haven't used any of the others in years
Dec 28 19:23:53 <woglinde> irc is somehow im too
Dec 28 19:24:02 <luke-jr> woglinde: IRC is deprecated MUC :P
Dec 28 19:24:17 <Robot101> "what's your IM address" to $random off the street could get you an MSN id, an AOL id, a google id, etc
Dec 28 19:24:33 <Robot101> so, in the *real world*, namely *not you and your friends*, this is true
Dec 28 19:24:35 <javispedro> pupnik: I never had mouse problems actually... then again I don't play games but run apps and the dosbox mouse.com works fine
Dec 28 19:24:40 <pupnik> javispedro: when I dpkg-buildpackage the maemo5 dosbox, is there anything i need to change to configure or setting defines?
Dec 28 19:24:51 <zerojay> GAN900: Sorry, what?
Dec 28 19:24:54 <javispedro> pupnik: for m5, none that I know of.
Dec 28 19:24:54 <pupnik> ok
Dec 28 19:24:54 <zash> Robot101: didn't aol play with xmpp? and gtalk is xmpp-ish
Dec 28 19:24:56 <Robot101> anyway, this is an utterly failing conversation. the XMPP standards foundation themselves refer to the network as Jabber.
Dec 28 19:25:05 <javispedro> pupnik: for n810, DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=vfp
Dec 28 19:25:08 <luke-jr> Robot101: if it's not standards-compliant, I insult them and demand they get something compliant? :D
Dec 28 19:25:12 <Robot101> so you're trying to be more catholic than the pope or something, just give it up
Dec 28 19:25:20 <zerojay> Robot101: Hahaha.
Dec 28 19:25:22 <pupnik> nice job making the packages work with the deb builder
Dec 28 19:25:36 <javispedro> pupnik: if you can send me a nice diff I'll try to integrate your changes
Dec 28 19:25:45 <javispedro> pupnik: but no prob if you don't, diffing them from my tarball should be trivial
Dec 28 19:26:34 <javispedro> pupnik: one thing I am interested in is a benchmark where the dynamic core "helps".
Dec 28 19:26:47 <Stskeeps> jeremiah_: ping
Dec 28 19:26:47 <GAN900> zerojay, are you feeling less sick? :P
Dec 28 19:26:48 <javispedro> I am yet to see a great speedup from it, but then all my tests are real mode
Dec 28 19:27:28 <ShadowJK> '"G=Harald;S=Alvestrand;O=Uninett;P=Uninett;A=;C=no" — the unwieldiness of this addressing format is believed by many to be one factor in the lack of success of X.400.'
Dec 28 19:27:49 <GAN900> Howdy, javispedro, by the way. Good holiday?
Dec 28 19:28:23 <javispedro> hiyo GAN900, of course :)
Dec 28 19:29:55 <javispedro> was quite busy this month, so every holiday is appreciated
Dec 28 19:30:46 <zerojay> GAN900: Yeah, finally feeling mostly better now.
Dec 28 19:30:46 <pupnik> javispedro: will try to find one.  the mouse click-on-tap is a broken model and will not stand though.
Dec 28 19:30:48 <javispedro> hope you're all enjoying this Christmas too :)
Dec 28 19:31:26 <Stskeeps> ShadowJK++
Dec 28 19:31:32 <javispedro> pupnik: I can understand your wish; there are games where getting a pixel perfect absolute mouse is impossible
Dec 28 19:32:04 <woglinde> javispedro sure
Dec 28 19:32:40 <pupnik> every game is broken atm
Dec 28 19:33:19 <javispedro> the trick is try to disable mouse acceleration ingame
Dec 28 19:33:30 <javispedro> and play with mouse speed.
Dec 28 19:38:18 <pupnik> where do you turn off mouse-acceleration ingame javispedro ?
Dec 28 19:38:49 <javispedro> pupnik: depends on game :)
Dec 28 19:39:09 <javispedro> for that oldie game called "windows 3.1" it's system.ini ;)
Dec 28 19:39:57 <pupnik> ah ok
Dec 28 19:41:52 <pupnik> you looked at accel and dosbox joystick yet?
Dec 28 19:42:45 <javispedro> nope, doing some other stuff and then want to go back to my emu again (so near h-d scaling)
Dec 28 19:43:32 <pupnik> cool :)
Dec 28 19:48:54 <dnaumov> is the latest version of rdesktop broken?
Dec 28 19:49:19 <dnaumov> it complains that it "cannot work properly as there is some problem with the connection network"
Dec 28 19:49:25 <dnaumov> irrelevantly of what network I use
Dec 28 19:56:11 <HiskiBoy> what is maemo 5 "n900" superusetr password
Dec 28 19:56:15 <HiskiBoy> what is maemo 5 "n900" superuser password
Dec 28 19:56:33 <Stskeeps> none, get rootsh
Dec 28 19:57:22 <woglinde> sudo gainroot
Dec 28 19:57:55 <K`> I enabled the extras repo, but I don't see anything
Dec 28 19:57:56 <Wolfie> woglinde: doesn't work out of the box
Dec 28 19:58:03 <K`> specifically looking for xchat
Dec 28 19:58:04 <dnaumov> bah
Dec 28 19:58:15 <dnaumov> rdesktop-gui is broken if your server has a nonstandard port
Dec 28 19:58:20 <woglinde> wolfie hm?
Dec 28 19:58:21 <dnaumov> rdesktop-cli works
Dec 28 19:58:41 <dnaumov> but rdesktop gui tries to resolve hostname:port as a hostname in its entirety
Dec 28 19:59:50 <Wolfie> woglinde: you need rootsh first, otherwise you aren't given access
Dec 28 20:00:00 <Wolfie> or something else...
Dec 28 20:02:35 <woglinde> hm
Dec 28 20:05:25 <cehteh> so .. after a lot of coursing i got openvpn working in a *seamless* way, with some hacks. anyone here interested in improving that, then i can make a wiki page or so
Dec 28 20:06:24 <zash> cehteh: define seamless
Dec 28 20:06:41 <red> if seamless is 30fps no hickups then yes
Dec 28 20:06:47 <red> otherwise its the way most vncs just work :p
Dec 28 20:07:09 <zash> how does framerates relate to vpns?
Dec 28 20:07:10 <cehteh> vpn
Dec 28 20:07:36 <Ceron> http://naurunappula.com/531577 haha :)
Dec 28 20:08:00 <Ceron> parkin camera systems crash
Dec 28 20:08:20 <cehteh> i can turn it on and off in my home wlan (which is not a separate network but in the same net as the rest of the home network)
Dec 28 20:08:40 <red> zash: when you want to use your pc remotely, fluently
Dec 28 20:08:42 <cehteh> and switch to mobile and back .. and possibly to any other wlan
Dec 28 20:08:50 <cehteh> without loosing connections
Dec 28 20:09:02 <Laiska> Ok since Ceron went OT so will I (sorry..) , just something I really want to share.. http://www.cracked.com/article/120_the-5-most-ridiculously-awful-computers-ever-made_p2
Dec 28 20:09:08 <zash> red: virtual *private network*
Dec 28 20:09:12 <Laiska> That PocketMail..
Dec 28 20:09:29 <red> zash: think ill glo clear my eyeglasses
Dec 28 20:09:32 <cehteh> and dont use the maemo-update-resolv stuff but integrated the vpn into the dnsmasq thing
Dec 28 20:09:37 <red> i read vnc :)
Dec 28 20:09:50 <zash> red: :D
Dec 28 20:12:05 <RST38h> Cryptographers have moved closer to their goal of eavesdropping on cellphone conversations after cracking the secret code used to prevent the interception of radio signals as they travel between handsets and mobile operators' base stations
Dec 28 20:12:33 <go1dfish> oh dear
Dec 28 20:13:12 <fredrin> :D
Dec 28 20:13:18 <red> http://naurunappula.com/492563
Dec 28 20:13:44 <zash> RST38h: Didn't GSM encryption suck?
Dec 28 20:13:57 <zash> as in 56bit suckage
Dec 28 20:14:12 <RST38h> zash: well, not enough to be easily breakable
Dec 28 20:15:19 <moo-_-> zash: they change key very frequently (matter of seconds) I think
Dec 28 20:15:32 <fredrin> aaah i want a n900
Dec 28 20:15:40 * fredrin got a HTC Hero for chistmas :(
Dec 28 20:15:49 <RST38h> hehe
Dec 28 20:15:59 <fredrin> what a stupid santa
Dec 28 20:16:18 <RXrenesis8> ebay ebay ebay
Dec 28 20:16:25 <Stskeeps> sell it to buy a n900
Dec 28 20:16:33 <fredrin> i got it exchanged for a giftcard
Dec 28 20:16:41 <fredrin> so i'll get a n900 eventualy
Dec 28 20:16:54 <fredrin> just got to wait for the shop to get more of them
Dec 28 20:16:58 <fredrin> was sold out :(
Dec 28 20:17:00 <RST38h> Is it safe to do apt-get upgrade in SB2?
Dec 28 20:17:08 <fredrin> so much for being late on the trend
Dec 28 20:17:21 <fredrin> and more expencive
Dec 28 20:20:36 <ceda> fredrin: at least it's worth the wait!
Dec 28 20:21:20 <fredrin> ceda: :D i know
Dec 28 20:24:04 <HiskiBoy> santa where not stupid because i get n900
Dec 28 20:34:40 <K`> damn
Dec 28 20:34:52 <K`> no way to make red pill mode permanent?
Dec 28 20:37:09 <RST38h> Where do I set the list of packages my package depends on when using autoconf?
Dec 28 20:40:21 <pupnik> i think debhelper scripts add that
Dec 28 20:41:18 * ShadowJK got openvpn working seamlessly in a trivial way, but I'm probably not using it for the same thing or in the same way
Dec 28 20:43:49 <woglinde> ls
Dec 28 20:44:13 <RST38h> :(((
Dec 28 20:44:22 <RST38h> I am close to giving up :(((
Dec 28 20:44:36 <Stskeeps> RST38h: debian/control
Dec 28 20:44:40 <Stskeeps> and autoconf has nothing to deal with that
Dec 28 20:44:42 <RST38h> I need to make autoconf add Python include/lib directories to cflags
Dec 28 20:44:46 <Stskeeps> ah
Dec 28 20:44:49 <RST38h> How the hell do I do that? :(
Dec 28 20:44:49 <Stskeeps> PKG_CONFIG stuff maybe
Dec 28 20:44:54 <RST38h> But WHERE?
Dec 28 20:45:18 <woglinde> rst give me a pointer
Dec 28 20:45:23 <woglinde> to your source
Dec 28 20:45:34 <RST38h> woglinde: XChat source in Extras
Dec 28 20:45:44 <RST38h> it appears to build on sb1 but fails on sb2
Dec 28 20:45:47 <woglinde> xchat needs python support?
Dec 28 20:45:52 <woglinde> rst ah
Dec 28 20:45:53 <RST38h> I do not see where it includes python
Dec 28 20:45:59 <woglinde> yeah sdk+ is broken
Dec 28 20:45:59 <RST38h> plugins do
Dec 28 20:46:05 <woglinde> forget abiout it
Dec 28 20:48:24 <RST38h> can I somehow �disable python dependency?
Dec 28 20:49:09 <woglinde> depends on the autotools stuff
Dec 28 20:49:11 <woglinde> let me see
Dec 28 20:49:51 * RST38h is trying to fix crashes and finally build a working xchat package for n900
Dec 28 20:50:41 <Stskeeps> we should just pool together and employ qwerty12 for a year
Dec 28 20:50:57 <woglinde> rst hm I would switch to cdbs
Dec 28 20:51:01 <RST38h> qwerty is apparently grounded =)
Dec 28 20:51:12 <RST38h> woglinde: oh, please, not *another* build system
Dec 28 20:51:29 * RST38h never writes more than a single makefile for a project
Dec 28 20:51:37 <Stskeeps> RST38h: oh dear, really? :P
Dec 28 20:51:53 <RST38h> ~seen qwerty12
Dec 28 20:51:53 <woglinde> rst it would simply the rules file a lot
Dec 28 20:51:54 <infobot> qwerty12 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 25d 2h 27m 55s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'.
Dec 28 20:51:56 <woglinde> but let see
Dec 28 20:52:02 <Stskeeps> RST38h: i'd think he was focusing on college
Dec 28 20:52:08 <RST38h> Or that, yes
Dec 28 20:52:31 <woglinde> --disable-python
Dec 28 20:52:32 <Stskeeps> which is not entirely a bad choice :P
Dec 28 20:52:35 <woglinde> from configure.in
Dec 28 20:52:39 <RST38h> woglinde: REALLY?
Dec 28 20:52:43 <woglinde> that was easy
Dec 28 20:52:49 <RST38h> Trying
Dec 28 20:53:55 <RST38h> woglinde: I build it with sb2 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -b
Dec 28 20:53:56 <thopiekar> hi
Dec 28 20:54:08 <RST38h> woglinde: Do I supply --disable-python to dpkg-buildpackage?
Dec 28 20:54:16 <thopiekar> could someone please tell me how to build maemo mapper on ubuntu karmic?
Dec 28 20:54:17 <woglinde> edit debian/rules
Dec 28 20:54:50 <RST38h> hmmm ok
Dec 28 20:55:26 <thopiekar> I've installed libgdbm3.. a package called "libgdbm" isn't available on karmic.. but I get this while ./configure'ing maemo mapper: "configure: error: libgdbm.so not found. Please install libgdbm."
Dec 28 20:55:27 <RST38h> found it
Dec 28 20:55:45 <woglinde> rst let me see maybee you have to touch some more
Dec 28 20:56:26 <RST38h> there was --enable-python there
Dec 28 20:56:59 <woglinde> rst I meant packaging and install
Dec 28 20:57:02 <RST38h> A5/1 kaboom
Dec 28 20:57:14 <woglinde> but there is only suggest
Dec 28 20:57:17 <pupnik> the -d will ignore dependencies, meaning it might build with broken control / rules
Dec 28 20:57:20 <woglinde> and build-dev
Dec 28 20:57:26 <javispedro> there's still a .install file somewhere expecting /usr/lib/xchat/.../python.so
Dec 28 20:57:29 <RST38h> woglinde: if it builds with sb2 now, I should be well on my way debugging it
Dec 28 20:57:36 <woglinde> pupnik yeah but otherwise sb2 is borken
Dec 28 20:57:48 <RST38h> javispedro: The only install I see does not require it
Dec 28 20:57:57 <woglinde> javis nope
Dec 28 20:58:03 <woglinde> I checked it
Dec 28 20:58:04 <javispedro> RST38h: see debian/xchat.install
Dec 28 20:58:09 <javispedro> it requires /usr/lib/xchat
Dec 28 20:58:26 <woglinde> hm okay
Dec 28 20:58:29 <javispedro> this (may) only get created if there's a plugin, and if you disable the pyton plugin, then there's no plugin
Dec 28 20:58:40 <woglinde> thanks javis
Dec 28 20:58:48 <woglinde> wasnt seen that the python stuff goes there
Dec 28 20:59:02 <javispedro> this was the original failure he was getting
Dec 28 20:59:04 <RST38h> javispedro: it is a directory though
Dec 28 20:59:15 <woglinde> ah okay
Dec 28 20:59:23 <javispedro> RST38h: that is the reason of the "may"
Dec 28 20:59:27 <woglinde> remove the line in the .install line
Dec 28 20:59:35 <RST38h> done
Dec 28 20:59:35 <woglinde> args file
Dec 28 21:00:29 <Macer> Obamuhhhhh!
Dec 28 21:00:56 <woglinde> rst a5/1 it was known
Dec 28 21:01:00 <Macer> TSA hahaha
Dec 28 21:01:04 <Macer> what a joke
Dec 28 21:01:12 <woglinde> but at the congress now it was one of the first speeches
Dec 28 21:01:21 <Macer> you know what the one thing that is holding back terrorists from inflicting major damage? ignorance
Dec 28 21:01:52 <Macer> all they have to do is send one guy into one airport a day and kill the unarmed tsa people and that's it. ALL airports are closed
Dec 28 21:01:53 <woglinde> which terrorists?
Dec 28 21:01:58 <woglinde> the one from the cia?
Dec 28 21:02:15 <Macer> i mean i'm sure after about a month of doing that trillions of dollars would be lost
Dec 28 21:02:26 <Macer> as the airplanes are constantly on the ground
Dec 28 21:02:56 <Macer> terrorists don't understand that money is more important to the US than actual people :)
Dec 28 21:03:16 <javispedro> well, look at the bright side, that year's summer would still be even more hot
Dec 28 21:03:21 <woglinde> macer nope heating the home is important
Dec 28 21:03:26 <woglinde> or driving car
Dec 28 21:03:27 <RST38h> BUILT
Dec 28 21:03:33 <Macer> woglinde: those are just 2 forms of money woglinde ;)
Dec 28 21:03:38 <woglinde> they should blow up some tankers anf pipelines
Dec 28 21:04:04 <Macer> woglinde: no. that doesn't affect the right kind of person
Dec 28 21:04:11 <woglinde> if there is no gasoline no money can buy it
Dec 28 21:04:21 <woglinde> and that would hit the usa much more
Dec 28 21:04:34 <Macer> woglinde: plus. believe me. if gas stops flowing the emperor will send the sardukar
Dec 28 21:04:39 <Macer> the spice must flow
Dec 28 21:04:58 <Macer> there will be an entire battalion around every pipeline in existance :)
Dec 28 21:05:13 <Macer> with sats watching it 24/7
Dec 28 21:05:29 <n900evil> macer: be flying naked soon enou
Dec 28 21:05:32 <n900evil> gh
Dec 28 21:05:40 <Macer> heh
Dec 28 21:06:09 <Macer> woglinde: money is what is most important to the US. trust me. when 9/11 happened there were 2 things that politicians did
Dec 28 21:06:20 <Macer> 1. try to score political points
Dec 28 21:06:22 <Stskeeps> eat beacon?
Dec 28 21:06:24 <Stskeeps> bacon
Dec 28 21:06:41 <Macer> 2. try to find a way to profit on it and watching the market die and tumble
Dec 28 21:07:05 <Macer> they were watching the dow more than the stories about the victims
Dec 28 21:07:32 <Macer> statistically .. most people dont' care if strangers die
Dec 28 21:08:14 <Macer> easy fix to making rich white people happy is to start a war and tell them to buy defense stocks :)
Dec 28 21:08:45 <ebtschi_work> yeah! buy nokia stocks instead!
Dec 28 21:08:47 <ebtschi_work> ;-)
Dec 28 21:08:54 <Macer> actually
Dec 28 21:09:00 <Macer> iridium would have been a better choice :)
Dec 28 21:09:28 <Pavlov> Macer: way to bring race in to play
Dec 28 21:09:30 <Pavlov> good job
Dec 28 21:09:31 <ebtschi_work> huh?
Dec 28 21:09:38 <Macer> Pavlov: truth is truth :)
Dec 28 21:09:44 <ebtschi_work> iridium - you'd have lost your money
Dec 28 21:10:23 <jeremiah_> Stskeeps: Hi.
Dec 28 21:10:32 <jeremiah_> Sorry, I wasn't around earlier.
Dec 28 21:10:43 <Stskeeps> jeremiah_: it's friday evening, it's a sign of health ;)
Dec 28 21:10:46 <Stskeeps> er..
Dec 28 21:10:47 <Stskeeps> wait, it's monday
Dec 28 21:10:49 <jeremiah_> heh
Dec 28 21:10:49 <Stskeeps> damnit
Dec 28 21:10:50 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 28 21:10:56 <luke-jr> Macer: that part isn't truth
Dec 28 21:12:38 <javispedro> Stskeeps: that's surely not a sign of health ;)
Dec 28 21:13:00 <Macer> http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=LMT&time=all
Dec 28 21:13:07 <Macer> luke-jr: ;)
Dec 28 21:13:19 <Macer> see where the stock starts to go up ?
Dec 28 21:14:00 <Macer> sharp drops when the economic bubble popped near end of 08 and another huge dip when obama started his rantings of getting troops out
Dec 28 21:16:35 * RST38h digs into setup.c
Dec 28 21:16:43 <RST38h> Somewhere there should be a crash
Dec 28 21:17:17 <woglinde_> reboot
Dec 28 21:17:21 <woglinde_> gdb?
Dec 28 21:17:29 <RST38h> can't make it drop core
Dec 28 21:17:31 <RST38h> dunno why
Dec 28 21:17:39 <RST38h> so, printf()s.
Dec 28 21:17:42 <woglinde_> but you can run it with gdb
Dec 28 21:17:47 <woglinde_> install the gdb7 package
Dec 28 21:17:53 <RST38h> yea, but I am too lazy to install gdb :)
Dec 28 21:18:00 <woglinde_> lol
Dec 28 21:18:10 <woglinde_> then go the slow way with printf
Dec 28 21:18:19 <woglinde_> reboot now
Dec 28 21:18:28 <RST38h> Macer: conspiracy!
Dec 28 21:18:36 <Macer> RST38h: not really
Dec 28 21:18:40 <Macer> http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=HUGH&time=all
Dec 28 21:18:46 <Macer> there's another goodie :)
Dec 28 21:19:02 <Macer> you can see the same dip when obama announced pulling out of iraq
Dec 28 21:19:13 <Macer> then it spikes back up when he said "we need to stay" haha
Dec 28 21:19:26 <RST38h> Well that is Hughes. They are huges warprofiteers
Dec 28 21:19:33 <Macer> RST38h: of course haha
Dec 28 21:19:50 <RST38h> A lot of these companies are essentially states within a state
Dec 28 21:19:52 <Macer> do you think hughes cares about troops or their stock price? ;)
Dec 28 21:20:13 <Macer> like i said. nobody cares about a stranger dying more than they care about their own money
Dec 28 21:20:41 <RST38h> And they are soooo friendly with the government, that feel more like Soviet industries than capitalist enterprises
Dec 28 21:20:42 <Macer> when the last hurricane hit new orleans... did you see how all their cameras were trained on the levies?
Dec 28 21:21:04 <Macer> i am willing to bet you all my money. all reporters were HOPING.. the levy broke again
Dec 28 21:21:07 <Macer> :)
Dec 28 21:21:17 <RST38h> Macer: Do you remember the story where they drove empty trucks between two Iraqi towns, on schedule?
Dec 28 21:21:26 <RST38h> Because the US government was paying for regular convoys
Dec 28 21:21:27 <Macer> RST38h: haha yeah
Dec 28 21:21:44 <RST38h> The drivers called it the road of death
Dec 28 21:21:45 <Macer> why bring actual supplies when you can just waste a little gas
Dec 28 21:21:53 <Macer> and make a killing hehe
Dec 28 21:22:09 <javispedro> ah, Palm to bring new product on jan 7th
Dec 28 21:22:20 <Macer> people still use palm? :)
Dec 28 21:22:23 <Macer> i thought they went bankrupt
Dec 28 21:22:26 <RST38h> no doubt, it will be rrrrevolutionary
Dec 28 21:22:32 <Macer> they were so ahead of their time back in the day
Dec 28 21:22:37 <Macer> and then became complacent
Dec 28 21:23:00 <Macer> i was a big fan of the newton based things.... too bad that never worked out
Dec 28 21:23:09 <javispedro> "Newton based things"?
Dec 28 21:23:26 <javispedro> what a weird way to name a PDA.
Dec 28 21:24:31 <Macer> er
Dec 28 21:24:34 <Macer> newton was an OS
Dec 28 21:24:42 <Macer> i don't think apple actually released their own
Dec 28 21:25:56 <javispedro> touché
Dec 28 21:26:23 <sheepbat> and there was the eMate
Dec 28 21:26:30 <sheepbat> based on the Newton OS, but not an Apple Newton
Dec 28 21:26:48 <Macer> heh
Dec 28 21:26:56 <Macer> there were a few. i'm sure apple had their own but
Dec 28 21:27:01 <Macer> i think sharp made one
Dec 28 21:27:18 <Macer> those things were ahead of their time too
Dec 28 21:27:24 <Macer> newton OS wasn't bad at all
Dec 28 21:28:32 <Macer> wonder how long it will take lifetime to make the made for tv movie about the guy who had to go to south american court to get his son back from his ex wife's family after she died during child birth
Dec 28 21:28:37 <Macer> haha
Dec 28 21:29:13 <Macer> how the hell would the family ever expect a judge to say "no. the boy doesn't go back to his father who he was kidnapped from.. he should stay with uncle phillipe instead"
Dec 28 21:30:08 <n900evil> depends.
Dec 28 21:30:54 <n900evil> was the father successfully portrayed in court as a danger ...
Dec 28 21:31:55 <lolow> hey
Dec 28 21:32:21 <lolow> do you have a list of phones on which maemo works as expected?
Dec 28 21:32:28 <Stskeeps> n900?
Dec 28 21:32:29 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 28 21:32:31 <n900evil> n900
Dec 28 21:32:39 <dmj7261> It only works on one phone
Dec 28 21:32:44 <lolow> could i install maemo to other phones?
Dec 28 21:32:46 <n900evil> It's a short list.
Dec 28 21:32:48 <Stskeeps> lolow:
Dec 28 21:32:49 <Stskeeps> ~mer
Dec 28 21:32:50 <luke-jr> lolow: no
Dec 28 21:32:50 <infobot> from memory, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer
Dec 28 21:32:53 <Stskeeps> is probably what you are looking for
Dec 28 21:33:00 <dmj7261> If you ported it to the other phones, yes.
Dec 28 21:33:03 <lolow> ok i'll check it out
Dec 28 21:33:12 <dmj7261> It would be a lot of effort though
Dec 28 21:33:14 <n900evil> dmj: err no.
Dec 28 21:33:19 <luke-jr> lolow: Maemo is closed source (overall); Mer is the open-source "version"
Dec 28 21:33:20 <dmj7261> I mean mer
Dec 28 21:33:30 <Stskeeps> well, Mer did run on freerunner ;)
Dec 28 21:33:44 <lolow> luke-jr: thanx for that, i thought maemo is open source too
Dec 28 21:33:47 <n900evil> dmj: and used all of the closed source bits illegally.
Dec 28 21:34:05 <Stskeeps> err..
Dec 28 21:34:06 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 28 21:34:07 <luke-jr> lolow: Maemo is the corp umbrella which Nokia contributes to Mer
Dec 28 21:34:31 <lolow> oh okay
Dec 28 21:35:15 <luke-jr> but Maemo-the-OS is not open itself
Dec 28 21:35:38 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: for once i agree with you :P
Dec 28 21:36:25 <Stskeeps> on the other hand, things could be a lot worse
Dec 28 21:36:25 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 28 21:36:44 <charkins> Howdy folks. Anyone know how to get SSL working with MicroB in the SDK? There doesn't appear to be any default certificate authorities and I'm not sure how to configure any. I am ultimately trying to get libgdata (which is using libsoup) to work with https.
Dec 28 21:37:22 <n900evil> I can - with approval - install gcc on device, compile apps, and sell them.
Dec 28 21:37:29 <n900evil> works for me.
Dec 28 21:37:36 <RST38h> Stskeeps: BTW, apparently, Maemo5 app menu suppots folders
Dec 28 21:37:40 <luke-jr> n900evil: why approval? you don't need approval
Dec 28 21:37:49 <RST38h> Stskeeps: some crazy russian folks enabled them
Dec 28 21:37:51 <charkins> n900evil: was that directed at me? (ssl works for you out of the box with sdk?)
Dec 28 21:37:52 <n900evil> luk: err
Dec 28 21:37:55 <Stskeeps> RST38h: oh
Dec 28 21:37:57 <Stskeeps> RST38h: URL?
Dec 28 21:38:20 <RST38h> Stskeeps: http://maemos.ru/2009/12/28/making-folders-icons-n900/
Dec 28 21:38:37 <n900evil> luk: I mean without jailbreaking or violating licence terms.
Dec 28 21:38:58 <n900evil> char: not used sdk
Dec 28 21:39:35 <Stskeeps> RST38h: oh, interesting
Dec 28 21:41:09 <lolow> goodbye guys ;D
Dec 28 21:44:06 <luke-jr> n900evil: what license terms?
Dec 28 21:44:37 <ebtschi_work> i'm asking my question from before again:
Dec 28 21:44:49 <ebtschi_work> has anyone here done something with maemo on the beagle board?
Dec 28 21:44:58 <luke-jr> ebtschi_work: no
Dec 28 21:45:46 <luke-jr> ebtschi_work: replace 'maemo' with 'mer', and you might find someone
Dec 28 21:45:55 <Stskeeps> actually no
Dec 28 21:46:01 <Stskeeps> ebtschi_work: Maemo on OMAP?
Dec 28 21:46:15 <Stskeeps> http://omappedia.org/wiki/Maemo_on_OMAP_Project
Dec 28 21:46:32 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: funny fact, we don't have an active beagleboard port atm :P
Dec 28 21:46:58 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: I'm sure someone's done *something* with it tho?
Dec 28 21:47:08 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: yeah, me
Dec 28 21:47:11 <luke-jr> see
Dec 28 21:47:28 <Stskeeps> i'm an octopus in many regards
Dec 28 21:47:29 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 28 21:47:30 <ebtschi_work> Stskeeps, you don't?
Dec 28 21:48:00 <Stskeeps> no beagleboard port of Mer, as in, not published
Dec 28 21:48:09 <Stskeeps> cos i don't have a kernel source to build from scratch
Dec 28 21:48:21 <ebtschi_work> http://maemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org/ (+)
Dec 28 21:48:26 <Stskeeps> ebtschi_work: yes, that's old
Dec 28 21:48:31 <Stskeeps> use the URL i gave above
Dec 28 21:48:50 <Stskeeps> ebtschi_work: what board do you have? if it's B5 it's not good ::/
Dec 28 21:49:48 <ebtschi_work> none atm
Dec 28 21:49:54 <Stskeeps> ok
Dec 28 21:49:57 <Stskeeps> what's your intended use?
Dec 28 21:50:05 <ebtschi_work> i'm trying to find it out before i buy one ;-)
Dec 28 21:50:24 <Stskeeps> consider looking at a zoom2 instead
Dec 28 21:50:30 <Stskeeps> typical components for development in there
Dec 28 21:51:14 <Macer> lol @ 21 jump street
Dec 28 21:52:36 <ebtschi_work> application is some OEM hardware, with USB, sdcard, ethernet, audio
Dec 28 21:52:49 <ebtschi_work> with a "modern os" on it, and text to speech
Dec 28 21:53:13 <ebtschi_work> as well some application software, that currently exists on symbian (python)
Dec 28 21:53:36 <luke-jr> ebtschi_work: no graphics?
Dec 28 21:54:20 <ebtschi_work> nope
Dec 28 21:54:24 <ebtschi_work> embedded
Dec 28 21:54:32 <Stskeeps> ebtschi_work: mm, i would look at zoom2 then. it might seem expensive but it contains everything you could imagine to need
Dec 28 21:54:34 <ebtschi_work> "kinda low power"
Dec 28 21:54:49 <luke-jr> ebtschi_work: Maemo and Mer are graphical OS
Dec 28 21:54:53 <Stskeeps> .
Dec 28 21:55:05 <luke-jr> ebtschi_work: possibly consider RouterStation (?) or EFIKA MX as well
Dec 28 21:55:06 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: technically it could operate with a null framebuffer though
Dec 28 21:55:15 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: yeah, but then what's the point? :P
Dec 28 21:55:36 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: visually impaired users?
Dec 28 21:55:48 <ebtschi_work> zoom2.... for development the price isn't that important, but what about the end product?
Dec 28 21:56:21 <ebtschi_work> with the beagle board the schematics are there - ore we could just use the board as is for ~ 100€ which is crazy low
Dec 28 21:56:48 <Stskeeps> ebtschi_work: true
Dec 28 21:56:56 <Stskeeps> ebtschi_work: not sure if they exist for zoom2, but they might
Dec 28 21:57:11 <SpeedEvil> sheevaplug
Dec 28 21:57:20 <Stskeeps> sheevaplug isn't a bad idea either
Dec 28 21:57:23 <Stskeeps> that and ubuntu or something
Dec 28 21:57:25 <Stskeeps> or debian
Dec 28 21:59:58 <RST38h> OHMYGOD! It dies in libsexy!
Dec 28 22:00:19 <ebtschi_work> wtf is libsexy?
Dec 28 22:00:48 <SpeedEvil> vibrator driver library?
Dec 28 22:00:52 <ebtschi_work> luke-jr, routerstation has no usb and no audio. otherwise nice
Dec 28 22:01:04 <Stskeeps> ebtschi_work: USB audio exists too
Dec 28 22:01:12 <Stskeeps> RST38h: someone should really write an app for organising the menu
Dec 28 22:01:21 <ebtschi_work> it doesn't seem to have usb...
Dec 28 22:01:38 <jebba> oh noes, now the wiki is down
Dec 28 22:01:46 <Stskeeps> ebtschi_work: sheevaplug is possibly a good target
Dec 28 22:02:44 <jebba> ah, its back tg
Dec 28 22:02:58 <ebtschi_work> Stskeeps, looks good. nice cpu especially.
Dec 28 22:03:14 <Stskeeps> ebtschi_work: it isn't that good with a boatload of floating point but hmm
Dec 28 22:03:39 <pupnik> javispedro: the mapper 'save' button is really weird - does nothing in maemo
Dec 28 22:03:49 <ebtschi_work> power use is rather high
Dec 28 22:03:50 <pupnik> and the source calls this overloaded cpp function
Dec 28 22:03:53 <javispedro> hm
Dec 28 22:03:59 <jeremiah_> Stskeeps: So I think I'll just say that we are looking to serve SSU packages only in our new 'community' repo.
Dec 28 22:04:03 <jeremiah_> How does that sound to you?
Dec 28 22:04:05 <pupnik> static void MAPPER_SaveBinds(void)
Dec 28 22:04:25 <Stskeeps> jeremiah_: well, no use limiting ourselves for future possibilities
Dec 28 22:04:32 <pupnik> in -startmapper i can bind alt_gr to mod3
Dec 28 22:04:33 <Stskeeps> jeremiah_: but the first usage is for SSU packages
Dec 28 22:04:48 <jeremiah_> Yeah, but I kind of don't want people to suddenly think that this repo is better than extras
Dec 28 22:04:53 <pupnik> and sdl has an event name for it too
Dec 28 22:04:54 <Stskeeps> jeremiah_: yeah, true
Dec 28 22:04:54 <javispedro> pupnik: works here, creates mapper.txt
Dec 28 22:05:02 <pupnik> heh ty javispedro
Dec 28 22:05:13 <pupnik> that means i broke smth - ty
Dec 28 22:05:20 <jeremiah_> Stskeeps: We are not limited of course, but I thought we might want to be focused.
Dec 28 22:05:24 <ebtschi_work> price is lower than beagle
Dec 28 22:05:28 <ebtschi_work> but less features
Dec 28 22:05:28 <javispedro> and on next boot it uses it (i just removed the mapping for key c and worked)
Dec 28 22:05:35 <Stskeeps> jeremiah_: that said, it does feel rather silly to have repository.maemo.org/community when maemo.org is supposed to be community :>
Dec 28 22:05:41 <Stskeeps> but i guess that's legacy
Dec 28 22:05:43 <jeremiah_> heh
Dec 28 22:05:47 <jeremiah_> true dat
Dec 28 22:05:55 <Stskeeps> either way
Dec 28 22:05:58 <jeremiah_> Should we change the name to legacy?
Dec 28 22:06:02 <Stskeeps> not many people will see the actual URL
Dec 28 22:06:11 <jeremiah_> No, that is true
Dec 28 22:06:17 <Stskeeps> we've had really messed up repo URLs in Mer for a while now and noone seems to care
Dec 28 22:06:20 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 28 22:06:34 <jeremiah_> I mean, it's just an URL
Dec 28 22:06:45 <jeremiah_> well, it's set up, but not public
Dec 28 22:07:29 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: visually impaired users need their own OS
Dec 28 22:08:00 <ebtschi_work> luke-jr, just an extra app on top
Dec 28 22:08:48 <RST38h> Stskeeps: they say they bricked their device with the menu
Dec 28 22:08:58 <RST38h> Stskeeps: so, I would not be too hasty right now
Dec 28 22:09:18 <RST38h> Stskeeps: On the other hand, I am well on the way toward a stable XChat with sane config
Dec 28 22:11:47 <ebtschi_work> the OpenRD thingie is also really powerful - but too large!
Dec 28 22:15:48 <pupnik> nice work RST38h - not a simple package afaict
Dec 28 22:16:43 <jebba> jeremiah_: thx for Reprepro page :)
Dec 28 22:16:44 <pupnik> javispedro tells me i can't map the alt gr, and he's right it is not working, but i don't know why.  seems i should be able to map it to MOD3, then define "1" as mod3+q
Dec 28 22:17:11 <javispedro> pupnik: it works the opposite
Dec 28 22:17:39 <javispedro> hm..
Dec 28 22:17:42 <javispedro> er.. nothing.
Dec 28 22:17:50 <javispedro> actually, you should be able to map 1.
Dec 28 22:17:53 <jeremiah_> jebba: Sure. :)
Dec 28 22:18:02 <Macer> haha
Dec 28 22:18:48 <pupnik> mod_2 "key 308"
Dec 28 22:18:49 <pupnik> mod_3 "key 307"
Dec 28 22:18:51 <jeremiah_> jebba: Thanks for diffmo
Dec 28 22:19:06 <javispedro> pupnik: that doesn't look right.
Dec 28 22:19:07 <pupnik> i don't think '307' is correct for alt_gr  and possibly dosbox doesn't have a mapped number for it
Dec 28 22:19:58 <javispedro> pupnik: that might be the case.
Dec 28 22:20:39 <pupnik> i'm not seeing my printfs when i hit 'save' though but sorry for the interruption and thanks!
Dec 28 22:20:55 <javispedro> pupnik: read my patch where I map it to the backtick and map it to some other key and see if it improves
Dec 28 22:21:11 <javispedro> (with the backtick it seems to work OK here though)
Dec 28 22:21:12 <pupnik> yeah i saw that.
Dec 28 22:21:23 <pupnik> you get a displayed backtick at C:> prompt?
Dec 28 22:21:44 <javispedro> yep
Dec 28 22:21:59 <javispedro> (without my keyb layout, of course)
Dec 28 22:22:08 <javispedro> hi and welcome, RST38bis
Dec 28 22:22:13 <ebtschi_work> luke-jr, the EFIKA thingie is too large, unfortunately :(
Dec 28 22:22:14 <RST38bis> gooood
Dec 28 22:22:16 <pupnik> right without keyb layout (which doesn't work here) :P
Dec 28 22:22:22 <ebtschi_work> thanks for the ideas anyway :-)
Dec 28 22:22:32 <javispedro> pupnik: it assumes the fn -> backtick mapping
Dec 28 22:27:44 <luke-jr> ebtschi_work: nah, a GUI is not a VUI
Dec 28 22:28:43 <ebtschi_work> VUI?
Dec 28 22:28:56 <luke-jr> Voice User Interface
Dec 28 22:29:16 <luke-jr> my paid job deals a lot with VUI :P
Dec 28 22:29:51 <dnaumov> wait a sec, N900 file manager doesnt have a rename function and Notes doesnt have a Save As?
Dec 28 22:29:57 <dnaumov> thats a fair bit unconvinient...
Dec 28 22:30:26 <luke-jr> lol
Dec 28 22:30:39 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: you are a phone sex operator?
Dec 28 22:30:53 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: fail
Dec 28 22:31:17 <javispedro> dnaumov: fortunately, the file manager does have a rename function: long tap on a file.
Dec 28 22:32:26 <pupnik> javispedro: you remap 0x64 for ifdef MAEMO 5 '' when i press on the blue 'fn
Dec 28 22:32:32 <pupnik> 'key i get 0x6c
Dec 28 22:33:05 <pupnik> this stuff is not ... clean... stuff
Dec 28 22:33:11 <pupnik> :0
Dec 28 22:33:37 <javispedro> ok, that's weird then.
Dec 28 22:33:52 <javispedro> do you have german layout?
Dec 28 22:33:58 <javispedro> wait wait
Dec 28 22:34:15 <dnaumov> javispedro: thx a lot, I was a bout to start ripping out my pointy hair
Dec 28 22:34:40 <javispedro> 0x64 + 8 = 0x6C
Dec 28 22:34:47 <javispedro> so everything's ok
Dec 28 22:34:50 <javispedro> ^^ pupnik
Dec 28 22:35:10 <pupnik> i have uk layout
Dec 28 22:35:11 <javispedro> (yes, dosbox subtracts 8 from each scancode)
Dec 28 22:35:38 <pupnik> aahhhrrrrrgg
Dec 28 22:35:41 <pupnik> ty
Dec 28 22:36:20 <pupnik> tyying to generate a mapper.txt using ` as the MOD3
Dec 28 22:36:28 <javispedro> you'll be able to map 1..9
Dec 28 22:36:35 <javispedro> but not the rest of symbols
Dec 28 22:37:18 <Roaziel> Hi guys. I have 2 questions: 1) is it possible to have Network Media sharing in otherplayers except the default one? like I have M/KMPlayer, is there I way to get network media sharing with that?... and 2) What is the impromal video settings for N900? Like if I wanna get the best possible video/audio quality on the N900 what codes, containers, settings, etc should I use?
Dec 28 22:37:24 <ebtschi_work> luke-jr, what's your job? :-)
Dec 28 22:37:34 <Roaziel> *optimal
Dec 28 22:39:42 <tabMonkey> Hi all
Dec 28 22:40:21 <tabMonkey> anyone know if there's a good way of restarted mce on the n900 without causing a reboot?
Dec 28 22:40:32 <tabMonkey> s/restarted/restarting/
Dec 28 22:40:33 <infobot> tabMonkey meant: anyone know if there's a good way of restarting mce on the n900 without causing a reboot?
Dec 28 22:42:06 * javispedro envisions tmoers installing debian packages "in a crowded bus with no seats, while having nothing to hold on to".
Dec 28 22:42:21 <RST38bis> scary
Dec 28 22:43:01 <ebtschi_work> javispedro, on a bus with no roof, while it's raining
Dec 28 22:43:19 <Stskeeps> javispedro: app manager should work in portrait, obviously
Dec 28 22:43:58 <RST38bis> ok the only remaining problem is the input
Dec 28 22:44:25 <javispedro> something is wrong in a discussion when I couldn't do anything but laugh at someone's completely serious argument.
Dec 28 22:44:44 <luke-jr> ebtschi_work: my big project right now is writing a VoiceXML interpreter
Dec 28 22:44:50 <luke-jr> ebtschi_work: most VoiceXML applications are VUIs
Dec 28 22:44:53 * RST38bis laughes satanically
Dec 28 22:46:38 <ebtschi_work> luke-jr, why don't people use just screenreaders?
Dec 28 22:46:55 <luke-jr> ebtschi_work: because that would be a complete pain to use?
Dec 28 22:47:13 <luke-jr> especially for someone who's never had a concept of a 2D display
Dec 28 22:47:28 <luke-jr> (other than what can be explained verbally)
Dec 28 22:48:15 <ebtschi_work> i know lots of blind people
Dec 28 22:48:22 <ebtschi_work> all of them use screenreaders
Dec 28 22:48:36 <Stskeeps> on a touchscreen it doesn't work that well though
Dec 28 22:48:41 <ebtschi_work> not a single one of them uses a VUI with voice xml
Dec 28 22:48:53 <ebtschi_work> Stskeeps, ~10% use the iphone
Dec 28 22:48:58 <luke-jr> ebtschi_work: I find it hard to believe that. Even sighted people use VUIs.
Dec 28 22:49:05 <ebtschi_work> the rest uses symbian with a screenreader ;-)
Dec 28 22:49:15 <luke-jr> since most people's phones only support audio, not visuals
Dec 28 22:49:44 <ebtschi_work> luke-jr, well, can you recommend a VUI that can be used to browse the web :-)
Dec 28 22:50:02 <luke-jr> ebtschi_work: would you like to be given a screenreader interface when you call your credit card's 24/7 phone app?
Dec 28 22:50:14 <luke-jr> ebtschi_work: the HTML/CSS web? not offhand
Dec 28 22:50:24 <ebtschi_work> well
Dec 28 22:50:28 <luke-jr> most HTML is too broken to work with a VUI anyway
Dec 28 22:50:45 <ebtschi_work> it works quite well with WindowEyes ;-)
Dec 28 22:51:00 <ebtschi_work> (which connects to firefox)
Dec 28 22:51:46 <luke-jr> I *highly* doubt that's standards compliant
Dec 28 22:53:01 <luke-jr> http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/aural.html
Dec 28 22:53:06 <luke-jr> I don't think Firefox supports any of those
Dec 28 22:58:39 <dnaumov> is it possible to sort/re-organize bookmarks in the n900 browser?
Dec 28 23:02:32 <pupnik> hahaha i can test for scancode 43 ('h') but not 118
Dec 28 23:02:57 <pupnik> psycho violins
Dec 28 23:05:59 <MohammadAG> hi
Dec 28 23:06:08 <TomaszD> good day #maemo
Dec 28 23:07:48 <MohammadAG> having a problem with my N900
Dec 28 23:07:53 <MohammadAG> it's downloading php files
Dec 28 23:08:10 <MohammadAG> so any website based on php gets downloaded and saved to the device
Dec 28 23:09:27 <wiretapped> i bet not :)
Dec 28 23:09:29 <b-man17> thats _really_ strange o_O
Dec 28 23:09:43 <pupnik> what url causes this behavior MohammadAG
Dec 28 23:10:01 <MohammadAG> facebook, so it's not a problem with the site
Dec 28 23:10:05 <wiretapped> prolly just servers sending wrong mimetypes, no?
Dec 28 23:10:40 <wiretapped> bad proxy maybe?
Dec 28 23:11:14 <MohammadAG> application/vnd.wap.xhtml+xml <-- fail
Dec 28 23:12:02 <MohammadAG> same with my laptop, facebook's failing
Dec 28 23:12:14 <wiretapped> lol
Dec 28 23:12:31 <b-man17> it's most likely a server issue then xD
Dec 28 23:15:22 <wiretapped> MohammadAG: n900 and laptop on the same connection?
Dec 28 23:15:39 * wiretapped suspects a transparent proxy
Dec 28 23:15:40 <MohammadAG> yeah
Dec 28 23:15:58 <wiretapped> got cellular data you could try?
Dec 28 23:16:04 <MohammadAG> asked someone on another server
Dec 28 23:16:05 <MohammadAG> <MohammadAG> did it download the site?
Dec 28 23:16:05 <MohammadAG> <Bash> yea
Dec 28 23:16:05 <MohammadAG> <MohammadAG> as in save it?
Dec 28 23:16:05 <MohammadAG> <Bash> no
Dec 28 23:17:07 <MohammadAG> cellular connection does the same
Dec 28 23:17:43 <SpeedEvil> Are you in a country that may be firewalling or proxying the internet to mine connections for info?
Dec 28 23:19:46 <MohammadAG> nope
Dec 28 23:19:56 <MohammadAG> it worked on my sister's laptop
Dec 28 23:20:03 <MohammadAG> she's on windows, I'm on linux
Dec 28 23:20:07 <crashanddie> what are we talking about?
Dec 28 23:20:09 <MohammadAG> same connection
Dec 28 23:21:48 <MohammadAG> found the problem, I switched to diablo's UA on my laptop
Dec 28 23:21:56 <MohammadAG> but the N900's UA is as it is
Dec 28 23:22:59 <MohammadAG> Damn Hide User agent app
Dec 28 23:23:05 <MohammadAG> it changed the UA without asking me :/
Dec 28 23:24:46 <bizzle1> has anyone been able to boot an updated kernel on the n900?
Dec 28 23:28:04 <VDVsx> hey TomaszD
Dec 28 23:28:17 <TomaszD> hello VDVsx
Dec 28 23:28:19 <VDVsx> andre was looking for you to confirm a bug
Dec 28 23:28:31 <VDVsx> well, you, or another Polish speaker :P
Dec 28 23:29:03 <TomaszD> oh
Dec 28 23:29:05 <VDVsx> TomaszD, that one: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7321
Dec 28 23:29:06 <povbot> Bug 7321: Wrong translations of "portrait" and "landscape" in camera application
Dec 28 23:29:29 <jeremiah_> He was bugging you to polish polish bugs
Dec 28 23:29:40 <jeremiah_> Or rather, polish Polish bugs
Dec 28 23:29:54 <VDVsx> lol
Dec 28 23:31:07 <TomaszD> well, the translation is correct, although I've no idea what do these modes actually do
Dec 28 23:32:18 <wolf^> that's my bug
Dec 28 23:32:42 <jebba> anyone know of more non-maemo repositories for maemo?  timeless has one but i don't know it offhand.   http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Repositories
Dec 28 23:33:22 <TomaszD> wolf^, the translation does make sense, you can make a portrait picture of someone horizontally or a picture of a landscape vertically
Dec 28 23:33:48 <TomaszD> the accelerometer detects how you hold the camera
Dec 28 23:34:08 <VDVsx> jebba, see http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Reducing_number_of_external_repositories
Dec 28 23:34:59 <wolf^> TomaszD, priv?
Dec 28 23:36:27 <TomaszD> don't ask to ask, just ask
Dec 28 23:46:39 <Shapeshifter> I very much like the fact that the maemo forum accepts asian characters as usernames. how cool is that
Dec 28 23:52:21 <jebba> VDVsx: where should we put dodgy things like custom kernels?  ;)
Dec 28 23:53:02 <MohammadAG> sorry about the spam, N900 took the same IP as the one set to windows
Dec 28 23:58:14 <javispedro> jebba: kernels in a repo? sounds like a horror movie.
Dec 28 23:59:30 <woglinde> javis why not?
Dec 28 23:59:35 <MohammadAG> does the N900 come with the mini 2mm charger to microUSB adapter?
Dec 28 23:59:46 <go1dfish> MohammadAG: mine did
Dec 28 23:59:56 <MohammadAG> err, mine didn't o.O
Dec 29 00:00:01 <go1dfish> but I got mine under odd circumstances
Dec 29 00:00:09 <MohammadAG> which were?
Dec 29 00:00:18 <javispedro> woglinde: well, tbh, true.
Dec 29 00:00:20 <go1dfish> won in a rafle at a maemo developer event in san jose
Dec 29 00:00:24 <javispedro> though take care of flashing
Dec 29 00:00:28 <go1dfish> retail box though
Dec 29 00:00:58 <MohammadAG> .. it doesn't
Dec 29 00:01:52 <go1dfish> I got a european microusb wall wart
Dec 29 00:01:53 <jebba> javispedro: kernels in a repo? You mean like fedora, debian, suse, etcetcetc do?
Dec 29 00:02:14 <go1dfish> and a US adapter they were kind enough to purchase and include with it heh
Dec 29 00:02:36 <go1dfish> did the US versions come with a US wall wart?
Dec 29 00:02:41 <crashanddie> go1dfish: like they did for nearly every single freebie n900
Dec 29 00:02:47 <red> mine did come with small/large to microUSB adapter
Dec 29 00:02:56 <go1dfish> now that I think about it in this light, I may have a UK device/firmware?
Dec 29 00:02:59 <go1dfish> I've never reflashed it
Dec 29 00:03:02 <javispedro> jebba: this is not any of those :) you need to flash it afterwards and there's no default bootmenu.
Dec 29 00:03:04 <red> but every old charger I tried them on, it started charging and after 1-2 seconds it said unable to charge
Dec 29 00:03:17 <red> so I guess its either defect or the chargers are too old :)
Dec 29 00:03:24 <ifreq> too old
Dec 29 00:03:30 <jebba> http://gitorious.org/modest/modest https://git.maemo.org/projects/modest/?p=modest;a=summary    /me so confused.
Dec 29 00:03:34 <go1dfish> red: Im using mine with my e51 charger (small)
Dec 29 00:03:37 <red> they are atleast 6-7 year old chargers
Dec 29 00:03:45 <MohammadAG> red mine didn't have the adapter at all
Dec 29 00:03:47 <red> tried two small headed and one large headed
Dec 29 00:03:49 <MohammadAG> and it was sealed
Dec 29 00:03:57 <jebba> javispedro: well, there's kernel-flasher  :)  just needs to be done in the correct order.
Dec 29 00:04:04 <red> MohammadAG: u sure u didnt lose it while unpacking? :D
Dec 29 00:04:25 <go1dfish> is there a way to check what firmware localization is installed on the device?
Dec 29 00:04:29 <go1dfish> i.e. UK vs USA
Dec 29 00:04:38 <MohammadAG> lol red, pretty sure
Dec 29 00:04:44 <red> go1dfish: newest charger i have must be N70 :>
Dec 29 00:04:51 <SpeedEvil> go1dfish: it's in about product in settings isn't it?
Dec 29 00:04:54 <pupnik> maybe if maemo SDL used SDL_keysym.h:SDLK_RALT= 307 and set KMOD_RALT when FN is pressed
Dec 29 00:05:01 <red> have gotten phones free after that (few weeks or older)
Dec 29 00:05:14 <red> until now that I chose to get N900 since it was <3
Dec 29 00:05:14 <pupnik> that is the proper binding for altgr anyway
Dec 29 00:07:10 <pupnik> hmm no, i think it is confused also with 313 - SDLK_MODE
Dec 29 00:07:16 <MohammadAG> red, when did you get your N900?
Dec 29 00:07:27 <MohammadAG> 1st/2nd batch?
Dec 29 00:08:08 <red> MohammadAG: 7.12.2009, guessing it was the first batch since I was told they started shipping on 4th day (friday) and the phones came to the store on monday
Dec 29 00:08:33 <SpeedEvil> where were the first retail ones?
Dec 29 00:08:41 <SpeedEvil> I got mine (uk) 30 nov.
Dec 29 00:08:48 <red> but dunno if there were any before that for service providers or abroad
Dec 29 00:08:49 <MohammadAG> ordered mine on the 3rd of Dec, and it shipped on the 20th
Dec 29 00:08:54 <MohammadAG> 18th actually
Dec 29 00:09:05 <go1dfish> SpeedEvil: no indication of local there
Dec 29 00:09:06 <MohammadAG> arrived on the 28th
Dec 29 00:09:22 <red> SpeedEvil: you got ur N900 before december?
Dec 29 00:09:27 <red> from a store?
Dec 29 00:09:38 <red> order from some website? or via some connections?
Dec 29 00:09:52 <MohammadAG> what's with the USBcontrol package on the repos?
Dec 29 00:10:34 <MohammadAG> oh well I'll just use the N86 one
Dec 29 00:10:49 <MohammadAG> will make sure if amazon's new shipment had the adapter
Dec 29 00:10:55 <MohammadAG> if so I want a full refund :p
Dec 29 00:17:47 <SpeedEvil> red: nokia.co.uk
Dec 29 00:21:10 <SpeedEvil> fbreader++
Dec 29 00:24:13 <SpeedEvil> Anyone have 1.1 firmware and can comment on the state of the front camera?
Dec 29 00:27:37 <bizzle1> anyone with 1.1 can comment on the kernel version?
Dec 29 00:30:00 <SpeedEvil> Anyone with 1.1 who can comment on being able to comment on stuff?
Dec 29 00:32:14 <TomaszD> I can... not comment.
Dec 29 00:32:57 <red> SpeedEvil: alright. Makes sense though, the phones aren't actually manufactured here in Finland :)
Dec 29 00:34:21 <VDVsx> mine says, made in Finland :D
Dec 29 00:34:31 <VDVsx> but also says porperty of Nokia :(
Dec 29 00:34:34 <SpeedEvil> VDVsx: yes.
Dec 29 00:34:38 <MohammadAG> Made in Korea here
Dec 29 00:34:42 <SpeedEvil> VDVsx: and tehy made that sticker in finland.
Dec 29 00:34:50 <Wolfie> mine says only "designed in finland"
Dec 29 00:34:50 <MohammadAG> LOL
Dec 29 00:34:59 <VDVsx> SpeedEvil, proto here
Dec 29 00:35:35 <go1dfish> all the production devices were made in korea afaik
Dec 29 00:35:47 <Wolfie> i might be biting more than I can chew, here. I have absolutely no idea where to start, since all tech used for N900 development is new to me :/
Dec 29 00:36:08 <SpeedEvil> korea here too
Dec 29 00:36:19 <go1dfish> many (all?) the pre-productions were made in finland
Dec 29 00:36:37 <SpeedEvil> and n900 does not stay up if you pull the battery with charger lead in.
Dec 29 00:36:51 <go1dfish> better korea than china imo
Dec 29 00:37:29 <go1dfish> dont know about their electronics, but ive been quite happy with my korean built guitar heh
Dec 29 00:39:01 <MohammadAG> found a bug on my N900
Dec 29 00:39:13 <MohammadAG> not sure if it has been reported/if it's on all devices
Dec 29 00:39:41 <MohammadAG> when the battery is low, before it says it's low, the browser doesn't open up, and the App manager starts throwing operation failed notices
Dec 29 00:40:19 <MohammadAG> the app manager part, I understand, it might be to prevent unfinished installs cause of low battery
Dec 29 00:40:23 <MohammadAG> but why the browser?
Dec 29 00:40:42 <SpeedEvil> works for me.
Dec 29 00:40:53 <SpeedEvil> ran it flat with no issues,
Dec 29 00:41:10 <SpeedEvil> full rootfs or ram?
Dec 29 00:41:38 <MohammadAG> happened to me when I it was fresh from the box
Dec 29 00:41:41 <MohammadAG> so I doubt it
Dec 29 00:41:51 <MohammadAG> happened to me again an hour ago, and I had to restart
Dec 29 00:42:22 <MohammadAG> 13MBs on rootfs (oh shit0
Dec 29 00:42:24 <MohammadAG> )*
Dec 29 00:43:04 <SpeedEvil> try rebooting
Dec 29 00:43:08 <SpeedEvil> also uninstall bounce
Dec 29 00:43:26 <luke-jr> http://elinux.org/N800#Status <-- rightmost column is Linux support for N8x0
Dec 29 00:43:35 <luke-jr> pretty pathetic, huh? :(
Dec 29 00:49:31 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, why bounce?
Dec 29 00:49:38 <Neostrider>  /j #mer
Dec 29 00:49:48 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: it's one of the larger apps on there.
Dec 29 00:49:56 <Neostrider> oops
Dec 29 00:50:02 <MohammadAG> oh it's not optified?
Dec 29 00:50:06 <SpeedEvil> uif you reinstall it back from extras - I think - then it will be optified
Dec 29 00:50:16 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: no
Dec 29 00:50:26 <SpeedEvil> at least I don't think so.
Dec 29 00:50:37 <MohammadAG> installed it from the Nokia Apps repo
Dec 29 00:52:15 <VDVsx> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7316
Dec 29 00:52:16 <povbot> Bug 7316: Bounce is not available anymore in any repository
Dec 29 00:52:20 <VDVsx> :(
Dec 29 00:52:44 <dmj7261> bounce isn't available?
Dec 29 00:53:12 <SpeedEvil> it was when I reflashed yesterday
Dec 29 00:53:22 <MohammadAG> downloaded it today
Dec 29 00:53:23 <K`> yea, I just saw it
Dec 29 00:53:26 <SpeedEvil> I hope they have pulled it for a version with 55344 levels.
Dec 29 00:53:28 <K`> like 30 minutes ago
Dec 29 00:53:45 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, lol
Dec 29 00:53:56 <VDVsx> ah, is related to my firmware only, sorry for the alarm :(
Dec 29 00:54:47 <VDVsx> seems that agry birds will be also free, sweet :)
Dec 29 00:57:24 <TomaszD> jeremiah_, is there a reason to keep deprecated packages that have been superseded, in the repository? maemo-periodic is now Copernicium, Maemo WordPy is now MaStory, no point in confusing users by keeping the old ones
Dec 29 00:58:14 <SpeedEvil> TomaszD: i had two CPU meter applets in my taskbar earlier due to that
Dec 29 00:58:35 <TomaszD> they are designed to be working independently
Dec 29 00:58:41 <TomaszD> I know which two you're talking about
Dec 29 00:58:52 <SpeedEvil> two identical versions of the app
Dec 29 00:58:53 <TomaszD> one is a cutdown version of the other
Dec 29 00:58:55 <SpeedEvil> err
Dec 29 00:58:56 <SpeedEvil> oh
Dec 29 00:58:59 <SpeedEvil> I see
Dec 29 00:59:25 <VDVsx> TomaszD, I already ask x-fade to fix that at the package interface level, will be fixed soon it seems
Dec 29 00:59:36 <TomaszD> VDVsx, ok
Dec 29 00:59:38 <TomaszD> :)
Dec 29 01:02:42 <TomaszD> it looks like the opensource theme hospital clone compiles cleanly
Dec 29 01:03:35 <Kamui> hi
Dec 29 01:03:56 <Kamui> xchat on the n900 works pretty well
Dec 29 01:08:42 <Kamui> and epic crash
Dec 29 01:09:06 <Kamui> as soon as i tried to move the chan selector
Dec 29 01:10:31 <SpeedEvil> itIt is a bit crashy
Dec 29 01:10:34 <SpeedEvil> well
Dec 29 01:10:43 <SpeedEvil> it crashes when you try to save prefs
Dec 29 01:10:58 <Kamui> maybe thats what it was
Dec 29 01:11:00 <SpeedEvil> So edit them manually - or copy over another configuration
Dec 29 01:11:20 <SpeedEvil> Or fix it and submit a patch.
Dec 29 01:11:24 <Kamui> had assumed it was the chanbar location
Dec 29 01:12:01 <jeremiah_> TomaszD: There is only a manual way to remove them
Dec 29 01:12:17 <jeremiah_> TomaszD: The repositories use apt-ftparchive which does not remove pacakges.
Dec 29 01:12:24 <jeremiah_> It has to be done by hand.
Dec 29 01:12:31 <TomaszD> :(
Dec 29 01:12:41 <jeremiah_> The new repos will have the ability to programatically remove packages.
Dec 29 01:12:48 <TomaszD> ok.
Dec 29 01:16:11 <Hoxzer> Btw, what type of note taking programs does maemo have? I'm looking forward seeing somethign that has option to zoom in and zoom out. And implements grab and move
Dec 29 01:16:23 <Robot101> Hoxzer: Xournal?
Dec 29 01:16:26 <Hoxzer> prefetably something with huge zoom
Dec 29 01:16:26 <crashanddie> lol http://imagebin.org/77350
Dec 29 01:16:52 <crashanddie> Hoxzer: tell lcuk to implement zoom in liqbase
Dec 29 01:16:53 <Hoxzer> Robot101: seems to have fuly UI
Dec 29 01:16:54 <Robot101> crashanddie: seen it, but still... :)
Dec 29 01:16:57 <Hoxzer> *fugly
Dec 29 01:17:10 <Hoxzer> Well. I dunno if you guys see my vision on this
Dec 29 01:17:16 <crashanddie> nope
Dec 29 01:17:18 <crashanddie> it's your vision
Dec 29 01:17:35 <crashanddie> and please, don't piss on applications so early on
Dec 29 01:17:46 <VRe> jeremiah_: do u know what the new extras-testing is going to be?
Dec 29 01:18:02 <Hoxzer> but someting very similar to the pen and paper. With a "huge" paper but however! huge is a relevant term. That's why somebody should be able to do large scale planning on with large drawings thne do the smaller text when zoomed into things
Dec 29 01:18:06 <jeremiah_> VRe: Yeah, a repo.
Dec 29 01:18:10 <Hoxzer> liek as in mind map
Dec 29 01:18:32 <VRe> jeremiah_: or actually how the process/web is going to be?
Dec 29 01:18:35 <GAN900> I don't know why people bitch about the N900's thickness compared to the iPhone then double the thickness of their iPhones with giant cases.
Dec 29 01:18:36 <Hoxzer> you can have huge squeres but as you zoom closer and clsoer you're be able to see deteails on each squeare
Dec 29 01:18:45 <crashanddie> Hoxzer: yeah, liqbase should be able to do that
Dec 29 01:18:53 <Hoxzer> crashanddie: okies... O_o
Dec 29 01:19:10 <jeremiah_> VRe: Can you be more specific? What are you looking for?
Dec 29 01:19:25 <crashanddie> Hoxzer: however don't know if it's implemented yet -- definitely something you should pitch to lcuk
Dec 29 01:19:37 <SpeedEvil> GAN900: I have a giant case on my n900.
Dec 29 01:19:49 <SpeedEvil> GAN900: Well, not giant, but it must add 5mm.
Dec 29 01:19:55 <ifreq> GAN900: yeh i mostly wonder how thick iphone would be with physical keyb.. seems ppl tend to forget that point too.
Dec 29 01:21:04 <VRe> jeremiah_: is something going to happen with the extras-testing interface (like remove from testing)? and is this written somewhere?
Dec 29 01:21:27 <SpeedEvil> A nice 'rate your installed apps' would be good.
Dec 29 01:21:41 <K`> well
Dec 29 01:21:47 <K`> the iPhone is longer than the N900
Dec 29 01:21:53 <K`> I think the N900 is the perfect size
Dec 29 01:21:57 <K`> for what it is
Dec 29 01:22:07 <K`> I'd actually rather a 4 or 4.5" screen
Dec 29 01:22:19 <Macer> 9" touchscreen phone
Dec 29 01:22:20 <K`> also give extra room for a bigger keyboard
Dec 29 01:22:27 <ifreq> SpeedEvil: yeah like one to five star ratings +send button :P nothing more is needed truly
Dec 29 01:22:32 <K`> finally add an esc and tab key
Dec 29 01:22:35 <Macer> with a hand clamp on the back of it
Dec 29 01:22:36 <Macer> :)
Dec 29 01:22:39 <SpeedEvil> I think multiply all dimensions by 1.2 or so, and it'd be good.
Dec 29 01:22:43 <SpeedEvil> maybe 1.1
Dec 29 01:22:54 <SpeedEvil> ifreq: With a link to a per-program forum
Dec 29 01:22:55 <K`> shit macer, I was used to my HTC Exec for years
Dec 29 01:23:00 <SpeedEvil> ifreq: of some form
Dec 29 01:23:02 <jeremiah_> VRe: Have you seen this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing
Dec 29 01:23:03 <Macer> heh
Dec 29 01:23:04 <K`> never found a phone I was truely happy with until this N900
Dec 29 01:23:06 <ifreq> SpeedEvil: yeah mayb.
Dec 29 01:23:19 <Macer> how big is the screen on the n900 again?
Dec 29 01:23:20 <SpeedEvil> m3310
Dec 29 01:23:25 <Macer> 3.5?
Dec 29 01:24:22 <Macer> i was going to buy one this week. probably tomorrow or thursday
Dec 29 01:24:22 <go1dfish> Macer: yeah 3.5" diagonal
Dec 29 01:24:27 <Macer> and the n810?
Dec 29 01:24:29 <go1dfish> 800x480
Dec 29 01:24:40 <Macer> n810 was what? 4.2?
Dec 29 01:24:46 <Macer> or 4.3 or something like that? :)
Dec 29 01:24:51 <Macer> same res
Dec 29 01:25:03 <go1dfish> 4.13 according to wikipedia
Dec 29 01:25:05 <go1dfish> and yeah same res
Dec 29 01:25:21 <go1dfish> the n900 screen is quite nice
Dec 29 01:25:33 <Macer> so you lose about a half an inch :)
Dec 29 01:25:36 <go1dfish> the only screen I've seen that looked better so far is surprisingly the samsung rogue my cousin got for christmas
Dec 29 01:25:36 <Macer> but keep the same res
Dec 29 01:25:43 <Macer> how bad is that? does everything look tiny?
Dec 29 01:25:43 <Macer> heh
Dec 29 01:25:44 <go1dfish> it's 800x600, slightly smaller, and OLED
Dec 29 01:25:56 <go1dfish> err 800x640
Dec 29 01:26:04 <go1dfish> I think the n900 does better in sunlight though
Dec 29 01:26:11 <Macer> 800x640 on a phone is pretty good for such a small screen
Dec 29 01:26:30 <SpeedEvil> go1dfish: if you hold it right, you can turn the backlight off and see still
Dec 29 01:26:31 <simula_> better than vga :)
Dec 29 01:26:31 <Macer> that's a pretty damn high res :) wtf. nanotech or something?
Dec 29 01:26:51 <go1dfish> SpeedEvil: the n900?
Dec 29 01:26:58 <Macer> n900 buckball screen heh
Dec 29 01:27:01 <Macer> buckyball
Dec 29 01:27:02 <simula_> it's a netbook more than a phone for me :)
Dec 29 01:27:14 <Macer> simula_: you using vpn on it?
Dec 29 01:27:15 <VRe> jeremiah_: yeah, and those 'NOT FINAL FIXME' tells its story. So I suppose nothing is cooking, or it is not documented.
Dec 29 01:27:19 <go1dfish> does locking the device with the slider just turn the backlight off?
Dec 29 01:27:42 <simula_> macer, nah, just trying to get all my regular linux stuff running in it... dev stuff mostly
Dec 29 01:27:49 <Macer> ah i see
Dec 29 01:27:53 <Macer> i wanted to see if pptp worked on it
Dec 29 01:27:55 <Macer> that would be awesome
Dec 29 01:28:22 <Macer> believe it or not i want it just for the jabber client
Dec 29 01:28:25 <go1dfish> im reminded of my old 5500 zaurus, had a front lit screen and was quite usable without the frontlight on in well lit rooms
Dec 29 01:28:29 <Macer> android has failed when it comes to android clients :)
Dec 29 01:28:49 <jeremiah_> VRe: There are lots of things cooking.
Dec 29 01:28:51 <Macer> i've been using ssh and irssi to do it because ALL the android apps are pretty much garbage
Dec 29 01:28:53 <jeremiah_> That I can assure
Dec 29 01:28:58 <Macer> except connectbot :)
Dec 29 01:28:59 <go1dfish> anyone tried running android in a chroot on the n900 yet?
Dec 29 01:29:02 <simula_> when i can get qt-creator running on it i'll be happy :)
Dec 29 01:29:09 <Macer> go1dfish: they shouldn't!
Dec 29 01:29:19 <go1dfish> I recall someone getting android running in a chroot on the clamshell zaurus's that way before there were any official android devices
Dec 29 01:29:20 <Macer> leave android where it is and don't let that filth spread to good phones :)
Dec 29 01:29:23 <go1dfish> heh
Dec 29 01:29:35 <crashanddie> did anyone get those two links I sent earlier?
Dec 29 01:29:40 <Macer> bbl
Dec 29 01:29:49 <go1dfish> agreed, but always fun to go, hey look: I have your entire OS in a window if I want it
Dec 29 01:30:26 <VRe> jeremiah_: that's nice, so is this then documented somewhere - like hows the interface for e-testing going to be?
Dec 29 01:31:50 <Macer> i'm still watching 21 jump street :)
Dec 29 01:31:56 <Macer> classic 80s
Dec 29 01:32:44 <jeremiah_> VRe: Exactly how it says on that page on the wiki
Dec 29 01:32:56 <jeremiah_> http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing#How_it_works_in_practice
Dec 29 01:34:00 <VRe> jeremiah_: so, if the process is so - i wonder what the current system then does. how much is missing..
Dec 29 01:35:17 <jeremiah_> VRe: There will be changes, but the system is largely going to be identical
Dec 29 01:35:34 <jeremiah_> RIght now we are having issues with the infrastructure, not enough servers
Dec 29 01:35:41 <jeremiah_> The server load is through the roof
Dec 29 01:35:57 <jeremiah_> We are adding machines and we'll have newer software so things will be much better.
Dec 29 01:36:13 <luke-jr> get Nokia to donate some N900s for the farm
Dec 29 01:36:14 <jeremiah_> In fact - I have already installed reprepro so soon we'll be testing that.
Dec 29 01:36:28 <jeremiah_> luke-jr: We're still using on 770
Dec 29 01:36:32 <jeremiah_> For garage.
Dec 29 01:36:46 <luke-jr> jeremiah_: that's why I said get them to donate N900s
Dec 29 01:37:04 <jeremiah_> We've asked, but they want us to buy them.
Dec 29 01:37:09 <jeremiah_> :(
Dec 29 01:37:46 <VRe> jeremiah_: ok, so I was bit ahead myself - like going for qa process improvement.. but reading all i could find I didn't have any idea what is happening now
Dec 29 01:38:57 <jeremiah_> VRe: Well, on garage we have the
Dec 29 01:39:08 <jeremiah_> repos for extras-testing
Dec 29 01:39:18 <jeremiah_> You enable it, you download and test an app
Dec 29 01:39:23 <jeremiah_> and then you provide feedback
Dec 29 01:39:27 <jeremiah_> That is the scoop
Dec 29 01:39:30 <VRe> yeah.. that i know
Dec 29 01:39:40 <jeremiah_> That is the present, and it will be the future
Dec 29 01:39:46 <jeremiah_> more than that I cannot say
Dec 29 01:40:25 <VRe> the problem in that is, thumb up - accept - but has anyone actually checked the copyright, content etc..
Dec 29 01:40:36 <jeremiah_> VRe: Of course.
Dec 29 01:41:09 <jeremiah_> VRe: Firstly, there are automated tests in the background doing that kind of thing
Dec 29 01:41:31 <jeremiah_> Secondly, it is the packager's responsibility to carefully check the copyright and license
Dec 29 01:41:49 <VRe> jeremiah_: those I have head about, but what is going to be tested.. :)
Dec 29 01:41:51 <jeremiah_> So by the time the package makes it to testing, it should be thouroughly checked
Dec 29 01:42:08 <jeremiah_> We'll test any package that wants to be promoted to 'extras'
Dec 29 01:42:16 <jeremiah_> So anything that a developer wants tested.
Dec 29 01:42:22 <jeremiah_> Did you read the wiki?
Dec 29 01:42:33 <jeremiah_> All of this is explained there.
Dec 29 01:42:53 <VRe> /teated/automatically tested/
Dec 29 01:43:15 <jeremiah_> VRe: There is a tool called Maemian which is based on debian's lintian
Dec 29 01:43:21 <arachnist> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWR0_0YaEzI <| lol
Dec 29 01:43:30 <jeremiah_> It will try to incorporate as many lintian checks as is possible
Dec 29 01:43:41 <jeremiah_> But maemo is not debian and there are lots of differences in policy
Dec 29 01:43:54 <jeremiah_> So a direct port of lintian is not feasible
Dec 29 01:44:01 <pupnik> #import "SDL_uikitview.h"
Dec 29 01:44:18 <jeremiah_> Currently maemian runs as a script and does a small subset of lintian checks
Dec 29 01:44:42 <VRe> jeremiah_: that would good to have on wiki :) optimally humans would test just the functionality
Dec 29 01:44:48 <pupnik> thanks for the info jeremiah_
Dec 29 01:45:07 <jeremiah_> Sure thing!
Dec 29 01:45:21 <jeremiah_> VRe: it is on the wiki, I'll have to find it.
Dec 29 01:45:48 <pupnik> i see something maybe useful for 770, N800 etc  #if SDL_IPHONE_KEYBOARD
Dec 29 01:46:31 <jeremiah_> http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Extras-testing&diff=19817&oldid=19225
Dec 29 01:46:42 <jeremiah_> ^^ It _was_ there
Dec 29 01:46:51 <jeremiah_> Looks like some of that stuff got removed.
Dec 29 01:49:41 <jeremiah_> Looks like Quim removed that stuff about Maemian
Dec 29 01:51:23 <VRe> jeremiah_: didn't check history ;) .. that is good info - "to be automatically tested"
Dec 29 01:51:33 <ceda> jeremiah_: gothenburg is sleeping now, so should you I guess :)
Dec 29 01:51:38 <ceda> (Fredrik Wendt)
Dec 29 01:52:06 <jeremiah_> ceda: Hi!
Dec 29 01:52:12 <jeremiah_> Good to see you here!
Dec 29 01:52:16 <jeremiah_> Or read you. :)
Dec 29 01:52:31 <ceda> yeah (I hear you)
Dec 29 01:52:39 <jeremiah_> VRe: Yeah, hopefully I can get more info about those processes to the wiki
Dec 29 01:53:12 <jeremiah_> VRe: I have been kinda busy with the repos, but I want people who are interested to participate in the automated testing
Dec 29 01:53:19 <jeremiah_> VRe: So if you are interested . . .
Dec 29 01:54:37 <VRe> jeremiah_: I have been kind of interested in the qa thingy, and observed how it is and wondering what it should be..
Dec 29 01:55:43 <VRe> jeremiah_: so I could say I'm interested
Dec 29 01:56:21 <jeremiah_> VRe: Excellent. :)
Dec 29 01:56:24 <ceda> I got a demonstration of pyUseCase, which uses texttest for testing pyGTK-based applications. It almost ran without issues under scratchbox (issues with network). Haven't tried it out on my real hardware yet, but I'll hopefully be able to use it to drive tests for my vasttrafik-application. It's a pretty neat tool
Dec 29 01:56:32 <ceda> http://meetup.com/GothPy/
Dec 29 01:57:08 <jeremiah_> Gothic Pythonistas!
Dec 29 01:57:50 <ceda> hehe
Dec 29 01:59:04 <ceda> Goth[enburg]Py is really 60 % geekish and 40 % serious
Dec 29 02:01:00 <villager> argh, I left my N900 so its battery ran flat, and now it won't charge
Dec 29 02:04:34 <luke-jr> lol
Dec 29 02:06:25 <villager> hmm, hope there's a way to ever power it up again... hope google has an answer then
Dec 29 02:07:59 <K`> god
Dec 29 02:08:17 <K`> that reminds me of the blundered manufacture of the OQO model 02's batteries.
Dec 29 02:08:29 <K`> you literraly had to jumpstart them if they ran too low
Dec 29 02:08:50 <luke-jr> villager: charge battery in something else
Dec 29 02:15:04 <K`> finally got all the repos installed properly
Dec 29 02:15:13 <Vratha> hi
Dec 29 02:15:16 <K`> man, this thing went from Grade A to grade A++
Dec 29 02:15:19 <pupnik> javispedro: your maemo-key substitution in sdl_mapper.cpp only is active if "usescancodes" is active.  (it is in the usescancodes IF-block) -- not sure if that is intended.
Dec 29 02:15:31 <Vratha> anyone else experience a problem sending gmail messages through Nokia Messaging today?
Dec 29 02:15:47 <javispedro> pupnik: oh, probably. (that is default iirc). feel free to experiment :)
Dec 29 02:15:55 <Vratha> because with my iphone, i could send gmail messages directly through gmail.  but through Nokia Messaging on my n900, they just werne't going through
Dec 29 02:16:02 <villager> okay, found a procedure on the web... have to remove the battery for a minute and then put it back in, then charge it up a bit, repeat a couple of times... oh well
Dec 29 02:16:03 <Vratha> not sure if it was me or what
Dec 29 02:16:10 <K`> my damn SD card isn't reading
Dec 29 02:16:13 <K`> in the N900
Dec 29 02:16:19 <K`> do I HAVE to format it in a pc first
Dec 29 02:16:22 <javispedro> oh, ukki is going to kill me.
Dec 29 02:16:23 <K`> was hoping to make it EXT3
Dec 29 02:20:21 <johnx> Vratha, you're not just using gmail's smtp server directly?
Dec 29 02:22:32 <pupnik> he is asleep javispedro - it is safe
Dec 29 02:23:21 <pupnik> how is the sgx/blitting going?
Dec 29 02:23:37 <javispedro> mbx
Dec 29 02:23:40 <javispedro> ?
Dec 29 02:24:15 <pupnik> thought you were doing blitting for drnok
Dec 29 02:24:19 <javispedro> a
Dec 29 02:24:26 <javispedro> that other task :)
Dec 29 02:24:41 <pupnik> well i'm always curious about the adventures...
Dec 29 02:24:44 <javispedro> I have it working on n900 but with constant flickering
Dec 29 02:25:07 <pupnik> something nobody has ever done before, eh
Dec 29 02:25:11 <Vratha> johnx: whatever the n900 setup when i chose "Nokia Messaging"
Dec 29 02:25:12 <javispedro> the framerate is somewhere between composited with software scaling and uncomposited with software scaling
Dec 29 02:25:17 <javispedro> which was to be expected
Dec 29 02:25:28 <javispedro> the benefit is that i'm no longer limited to 2x
Dec 29 02:25:58 <pupnik> ah that is nice
Dec 29 02:26:00 <javispedro> and can do weird aspect ratios and antialiasing "for free" (theoretically, since at least current version of h-d doesn't seem to do antialiasing on textures... :P )
Dec 29 02:26:23 <pupnik> esp for the occasional hi-res mode
Dec 29 02:27:25 <javispedro> but as you can see it seems true that bypassing the sgx as most as possible is still fastest, even when doing 2x barebones scaling
Dec 29 02:28:16 <pupnik> yes i learned why that is slow
Dec 29 02:28:26 <javispedro> the texture swizzling?
Dec 29 02:28:29 <pupnik> yes
Dec 29 02:28:33 <javispedro> it shouldn't do it, theoretically.
Dec 29 02:28:39 <javispedro> at least with the nokia pixmap->texture extension
Dec 29 02:28:44 <pupnik> oh nice
Dec 29 02:28:50 <javispedro> (though, who knows!!)
Dec 29 02:29:20 <pupnik> it is still early on
Dec 29 02:29:33 <javispedro> yeah
Dec 29 02:29:34 <pupnik> maybe someday this can be implemented in libsdl (HWSURFACE?)
Dec 29 02:29:46 <javispedro> currently, I have this without patching libsdl
Dec 29 02:29:55 <javispedro> you can selectively enable-disable it
Dec 29 02:31:12 <pupnik> btw the default maemo5 dosbox is building with omap2420 cflags
Dec 29 02:31:19 <javispedro> if it's implemented anywhere, it will have to be in libsdl1.3, since I doubt nokia will allow something of this caliber in repos
Dec 29 02:31:27 <javispedro> s/repos/official repo
Dec 29 02:31:33 <pupnik> oh maybe, maybe not
Dec 29 02:31:38 <pupnik>  -Wall -g -DMAEMO -DMAEMO_VERSION=5 -Os -fomit-frame-pointer -ffast-math -march=armv6j -mtune=arm1136jf-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp
Dec 29 02:31:42 <javispedro> oh
Dec 29 02:31:51 <javispedro> check your DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS
Dec 29 02:32:17 <pupnik> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=maemo-launcher,thumb,vfp
Dec 29 02:32:20 <javispedro> i think that if you put vfp in there it will pass those cflags even in m5 (bug of mine)
Dec 29 02:32:21 <pupnik> never saw that before!
Dec 29 02:33:49 <javispedro> just "unset DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS" before invoking dpkg-buildpackage
Dec 29 02:33:58 <javispedro> that'll do the trick until I fix that
Dec 29 02:34:12 <javispedro> though the autobuilder doesn't set vfp in fremantle, so package in repos is OK
Dec 29 02:34:49 <javispedro> btw, try with -O2 and -O3, maybe the fremantle compiler does a better job at that
Dec 29 02:35:38 <javispedro> and good night :)
Dec 29 02:35:41 <pupnik> if i get some kind of work... ok
Dec 29 02:35:47 <pupnik> laters!
Dec 29 02:40:39 <K`> anyone with some advice on formatting my microsd card in the N900
Dec 29 02:40:55 <K`> mkfs doesn't seem to be part of the standard distro
Dec 29 02:41:06 <K`> and i foolishly don't have a card reader present :)
Dec 29 02:46:41 <villager> yay, it's booting again
Dec 29 02:53:59 <pupnik> for some reason sdl wont let me substitute the current keysym
Dec 29 02:54:14 <pupnik> maybe i need to clear that event and generate a new one or smth
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