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Dec 31 03:00:04 <DocScrutinizer51> crap
Dec 31 03:00:52 <timeless_mbp> DocScrutinizer51: did you install my translations from extras onto diablo?
Dec 31 03:01:03 <timeless_mbp> or did you install the fremantle package into diablo?
Dec 31 03:01:27 <timeless_mbp> afaik the diablo package from extras should "mostly" just work (minus the lack of safe uninstall)
Dec 31 03:02:15 <DocScrutinizer51> obviously the N900 is safe in a sense it doesn't autoinstall that shit. Not like diablo which came up with this out of no obvious reason all of a sudden
Dec 31 03:05:12 <pupnik>   http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=6041888  Many Thanks to Sampo for the mplayer work...
Dec 31 03:07:54 <jebba> pupnik: that no workie
Dec 31 03:08:39 <pupnik> my t.m.o link?
Dec 31 03:08:49 <jebba> correct
Dec 31 03:08:56 <pupnik> gives me sampppa posts
Dec 31 03:09:05 <pupnik> just confirmed
Dec 31 03:09:07 <jebba> well, looks like a personal search link or something.
Dec 31 03:09:16 <pupnik> that is what it is
Dec 31 03:09:37 <jebba> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=419266    give the thread.php link.  Well, if you want others to be able to see it apparently.
Dec 31 03:09:44 <jebba> "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.  "
Dec 31 03:09:56 <jebba> that type of link ^^^
Dec 31 03:09:57 <pupnik> aha ty
Dec 31 03:10:08 <jebba> though i followed one of your links in the past which i greatly regret :(
Dec 31 03:10:39 <pupnik> i guess it doesn't cache searches
Dec 31 03:10:43 <timeless_mbp> DocScrutinizer51: diablo autoinstalled?
Dec 31 03:10:53 <timeless_mbp> ... and the fremantle package?
Dec 31 03:10:58 <timeless_mbp> wow
Dec 31 03:11:01 <pupnik> many learning opportunities are painful
Dec 31 03:11:12 <timeless_mbp> i suppose i could put a dependency on some fremantle package version
Dec 31 03:12:43 <DocScrutinizer51> hmm then maybe that's the final answer as wel to the miracle of numptyphysics vanishing into thin air on N810
Dec 31 03:15:37 <DocScrutinizer51> at least I am absolutely sure I never configured any fremantle or other weird repo on N810
Dec 31 03:19:20 <jebba> hasta mañana
Dec 31 03:21:14 <DocScrutinizer51> jebba: cya. gn8
Dec 31 03:25:46 <GAN900> Oh dear christ
Dec 31 03:26:09 <GAN900> Are they really telling people to activate -testing and -devel on Planet?!
Dec 31 03:26:51 * GAN900 really hates bloggers
Dec 31 03:27:00 <pupnik> heh heh
Dec 31 03:27:18 <timeless_mbp> heh
Dec 31 03:27:37 <pupnik> where are they saying that btw
Dec 31 03:27:58 <GAN900> http://maemo-freak.com/index.php/hacks/1334-how-to-activate-extras-extras-testing-and-extras-devel-catalogues
Dec 31 03:27:58 <pupnik> oh apocalypso
Dec 31 03:28:02 <GAN900> Maemo Freak
Dec 31 03:28:05 <GAN900> Idiot
Dec 31 03:29:55 <GAN900> Dunno why he doesn't just give 'em .installs. :rolleyes:
Dec 31 03:31:36 <GAN900> Ahaha
Dec 31 03:31:48 <GAN900> Engadget is telling people to go to Extras-devel
Dec 31 03:33:18 <arachnist> it is?
Dec 31 03:33:22 <arachnist> where?
Dec 31 03:33:46 <arachnist> oh
Dec 31 03:33:55 <GAN900> The BlueMaemo article.
Dec 31 03:34:10 <pupnik> it's the same attitude as hacking iphone
Dec 31 03:34:56 <pupnik> time for nastygrams
Dec 31 03:36:08 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: sadly the picture @ maemo-freak is kinda neat
Dec 31 03:37:15 <pupnik>  GAN900 maybe a t.m.o. thread would get some attention and pressure for those people to add the proper warnings/caveats.
Dec 31 03:37:29 <pupnik> That is all thata is missing imo
Dec 31 03:38:29 <pupnik> never ever buy the sharkoon 'home digital' wireless keyboard with trackball.  repeating letters constantly.
Dec 31 03:42:35 <SpeedEvil> rreally?
Dec 31 03:43:26 <pupnik> I can't just lay into the keyboaord with my usual MetalStorm of keystrokes
Dec 31 03:43:37 <pupnik> there! agaiin! and i'm typing slowly!
Dec 31 03:46:03 <SpeedEvil> Return it!
Dec 31 03:46:15 <SpeedEvil> this is with your n900, or with a normal system?
Dec 31 03:47:50 <arachnist> http://idle.slashdot.org/story/09/12/30/166220/USPTO-Awards-LOL-Patent-To-IBM <| LOL
Dec 31 03:51:17 <pupnik> Normal computer SpeedEvil -- otherwise it is pretty nice http://www.sharkoon.com/pix/illus/hires/sharkoon_hd_wireless_keyboard_1.jpg
Dec 31 03:52:11 <pupnik> wow arachnist - nice finid
Dec 31 04:03:12 <Shinkamui> how does the irc pluhin work with channels.  or is it just good for notify and pms
Dec 31 04:05:21 <luke-jr> just PMs :p
Dec 31 04:06:48 <Shinkamui> sad
Dec 31 04:07:21 <luke-jr> haha
Dec 31 04:07:22 <Shinkamui> i got about 6 hours of battery life today
Dec 31 04:07:25 <Shinkamui> almost 7
Dec 31 04:07:32 <pupnik> i got about 4
Dec 31 04:07:42 <Shinkamui> constant xchat plus constant ssh
Dec 31 04:07:52 <Shinkamui> and app testing
Dec 31 04:08:01 <luke-jr> hmm
Dec 31 04:08:06 <pupnik> i have kept xchat running on battery overnight
Dec 31 04:08:18 <Shinkamui> 5 hours and i was at 40percent
Dec 31 04:08:18 * luke-jr reconsiders whether he actually should bother porting Linux to N8x0
Dec 31 04:08:31 <Shinkamui> i think that last hour with tv out finished it
Dec 31 04:08:36 <luke-jr> might be cheaper to buy a N900 :/
Dec 31 04:08:51 <pupnik> luke-jr: have you heard of maemo?
Dec 31 04:08:54 <luke-jr> pupnik: yep
Dec 31 04:09:00 <pupnik> that's linux
Dec 31 04:09:02 <luke-jr> nope
Dec 31 04:09:22 <luke-jr> Linux 2.6.21-based, certainly, but not Linux
Dec 31 04:09:46 <luke-jr> http://elinux.org/N800#Status <-- Linux on N8x0 porting status
Dec 31 04:10:27 <luke-jr> Linux supports the Wifi and that's pretty much it
Dec 31 04:11:12 <pupnik> Ah thanks luke-jr
Dec 31 04:12:40 <pupnik> "we need to get it finally to mainline."   can you briefly explain why>
Dec 31 04:19:06 <luke-jr> pupnik: because 2.6.21 is way obsolete and not supported by modern OS?
Dec 31 04:21:49 <pupnik> Modern being one to two years newer.
Dec 31 04:23:27 <pupnik> with all the unsupported 3rd party peripherals offered for N800
Dec 31 04:23:36 <pupnik> that i can't run because of no newer kernel
Dec 31 04:25:54 <pudding-n900> hey guys
Dec 31 04:25:58 <pupnik> I mean fine, if that is your pet issue, but it hardly promotes linux, and personal freedom, on portable devices in the future... or does it?
Dec 31 04:26:21 <pupnik> hi pud
Dec 31 04:26:32 <pudding-n900> im trying to get startet with the linux shell commands and playing with em
Dec 31 04:26:46 <pudding-n900> now im stuck
Dec 31 04:26:48 <pupnik> folks are asleep, great time to ask
Dec 31 04:26:54 <pupnik> what's up
Dec 31 04:26:59 <pudding-n900> xD
Dec 31 04:27:25 <pudding-n900> im trying to archiv and zip a content of a folder
Dec 31 04:27:43 <pudding-n900> usein
Dec 31 04:28:05 <pudding-n900> tar czf test.tar testfolder
Dec 31 04:28:26 <pudding-n900> but hes telling me the direction does not exist
Dec 31 04:29:19 <pudding-n900> tar cf... is working fine
Dec 31 04:29:35 <pudding-n900> tar czf keeps bitching around...
Dec 31 04:30:14 <pupnik> if you use czf, name it test.tgz or test.tar.gz
Dec 31 04:30:35 <pupnik> command tar czf test.tgz testfolder works here on N900 and computer
Dec 31 04:31:13 <pudding-n900> kk
Dec 31 04:31:38 <pupnik> ha gleich gewusst - am 'archiv'
Dec 31 04:31:45 <pupnik> 'archive' in english
Dec 31 04:31:51 <pudding-n900> XD
Dec 31 04:31:57 <pudding-n900> alles klar
Dec 31 04:32:14 <pupnik> is it working for you now?
Dec 31 04:32:19 <pudding-n900> gut, die dateiendungen sollt ma gscheiter weise nicht vergessen
Dec 31 04:32:35 <pudding-n900> yep, ty
Dec 31 04:32:41 <pupnik> frueher konnte man es beliebig bennennen
Dec 31 04:33:27 <pudding-n900> well i thought the .gz gets added automatically like withe gzip
Dec 31 04:33:46 <luke-jr> pupnik: try nearly 3 years
Dec 31 04:34:32 <pupnik> i just think it's understandable to not do work for which there is no market
Dec 31 04:39:38 <arachnist> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_12L_Dme8Vc <| lol
Dec 31 04:49:28 <pudding-n900> hey, is it possible to unzip a file with *tar* uinto an other folder?
Dec 31 04:50:10 <luke-jr> -C
Dec 31 04:50:12 <luke-jr> also
Dec 31 04:50:15 <luke-jr> it's untar
Dec 31 04:50:16 <luke-jr> not unzip
Dec 31 04:50:20 <luke-jr> n00b
Dec 31 04:50:41 <pupnik> but one who asks good questions
Dec 31 04:52:16 <pudding-n900> so "tar xzf abc.tgz /home/user/..." is not possible
Dec 31 04:52:23 <pudding-n900> right?
Dec 31 04:52:28 <pupnik> pudding-n900: when i want to extract a tar file i usuall make a directory under the current one, cd to it, then tar xzvf ../mytar.tgz
Dec 31 04:52:57 <pupnik> right, tar will try to extract "/home/user" from the tar
Dec 31 04:53:03 <pudding-n900> alright
Dec 31 04:53:26 <pupnik> that ensures that whatever gets untarred doesn't pollute my parent directory
Dec 31 04:53:37 <Milo-> I wrote an application, compiled it in scratchbox and copied the binary to my n900, but can't execute it
Dec 31 04:54:19 <pupnik> to execute a program "foo" from the current directory, type ./foo
Dec 31 04:54:24 <Milo-> I know
Dec 31 04:54:35 <arachnist> so what error do you get?
Dec 31 04:54:48 <Milo-> I know the reason why it won't execute
Dec 31 04:54:54 <pupnik> it'\s x86?
Dec 31 04:55:02 <Milo-> Just don't understand why it is owned by root :P
Dec 31 04:55:26 <arachnist> Milo-: you copied it to the n900 over scp?
Dec 31 04:55:37 <Milo-> no
Dec 31 04:55:48 <Milo-> mounted my device and used cp to copy it
Dec 31 04:56:01 <pupnik> you can not execute binaries off vfat filesystems
Dec 31 04:56:34 <arachnist> generally, it is possible. but i think the n900 uses noexec flag for mounting the vfat
Dec 31 04:56:46 <Milo-> my ~/MyDocs is vfat?
Dec 31 04:57:00 <arachnist> yup
Dec 31 04:57:08 <pudding-n900> @pupnik - what does the parameter "v" means in combi. with tar?
Dec 31 04:57:20 <Milo-> verbose
Dec 31 04:57:22 <pupnik> verbose - display files extracted on console
Dec 31 04:57:24 <arachnist> Milo-: and it has "noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid"
Dec 31 04:57:32 <Milo-> arachnist I see
Dec 31 04:57:44 <Milo-> hmm so I need to place it in opt in order to test it
Dec 31 04:57:50 <arachnist> Milo-: or in ~
Dec 31 04:57:53 <pudding-n900> sry about such noobish questions, but im just getting started with linux :)
Dec 31 04:58:05 <arachnist> Milo-: (outside of ~/MyDocs)
Dec 31 04:58:15 <arachnist> Milo-: or mount -o remount,exec
Dec 31 04:58:26 <Milo-> or that yes
Dec 31 04:58:39 <Milo-> n900 has a funny filesystem arch
Dec 31 04:58:51 <arachnist> android is funnier
Dec 31 04:58:53 <pupnik> pudding-n900: if you want, stop by #maemo.de and ask all you want
Dec 31 04:58:56 <arachnist> /system/bin/sh
Dec 31 04:59:38 <arachnist> not to mention it's a little like osx/gobolinux for installed apps
Dec 31 04:59:53 <arachnist> (each app has its own directory)
Dec 31 05:00:40 <Milo-> ./a.out: line 1: syntax error: "(" unexpected
Dec 31 05:00:41 <Milo-> :(
Dec 31 05:00:48 <Milo-> worked just fine on scratchbox
Dec 31 05:01:54 <Milo-> "ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped"
Dec 31 05:02:01 <Milo-> those should be armel I think?
Dec 31 05:02:23 <arachnist> yes
Dec 31 05:02:31 <pudding-n900> @pupnik - also on freenode?
Dec 31 05:02:44 <pupnik> yeah, not many people but lots of space to chat
Dec 31 05:02:54 <pudding-n900> alright :)
Dec 31 05:03:23 <luke-jr> http://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2009-05/msg00297.html
Dec 31 05:03:28 <luke-jr> Cortex-A8 -- FAIL
Dec 31 05:11:14 <Milo-> there we go
Dec 31 05:11:16 <Milo-> it runs!
Dec 31 05:12:07 <pupnik> congrats Milo-
Dec 31 05:12:50 <pupnik> enjoying the magic since 20 GOTO 10
Dec 31 05:13:51 <Milo-> 132 seconds to iterate from UINT_MIN to UINT_MAX
Dec 31 05:14:00 <Milo-> using one thread.
Dec 31 05:14:53 <Milo-> 10.886 seconds with my desktop pc
Dec 31 05:15:00 <Milo-> benchmarking \o/
Dec 31 05:16:03 <Milo-> stuff that I have written for my desktop works on my phone
Dec 31 05:16:05 <Milo-> brilliant!
Dec 31 05:45:38 <phreck> sup all
Dec 31 05:51:43 <pupnik> qole is one of the t.m.o users i can search by name and find all sorts of useful stuff
Dec 31 05:54:08 <|R> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CcfG5uxSOw <- anyone have seen this dice shaking program around?
Dec 31 05:54:33 <pupnik> yes, been playing with it a bit
Dec 31 05:54:57 <|R> it's not in devel/testing it seems, is there a web page?
Dec 31 05:55:14 <pupnik> have to search - 1 minute
Dec 31 05:56:07 <|R> :)
Dec 31 05:57:41 <pupnik> http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/maemo/fremantle/  it's an actual repository, search #maemo irc logs if you need the repo string
Dec 31 05:57:45 <squidd> |R: its beeing shared from own repo
Dec 31 05:58:02 <|R> ok thanks :)
Dec 31 05:58:52 <squidd> adding that url to app manager without any other info used to work :S
Dec 31 06:23:53 <|R> is bluemaemo optified now? there should be a flag shown in apt-cache show! :P
Dec 31 06:23:54 <Milo-> using scratchbox, how do you setup a root environment?
Dec 31 06:24:11 <Milo-> trying to root my self, sudo: must be setuid root
Dec 31 06:24:57 <|R> fakeroot?
Dec 31 06:25:05 * jX roots milo
Dec 31 06:25:24 <Milo-> oh yeah, fakeroot, I tried to use the same method as I use with my phone
Dec 31 06:25:32 <Milo-> 'root'
Dec 31 06:28:55 <Milo-> heh in fakeroot, connection refuses
Dec 31 06:29:13 <Milo-> not cool :(
Dec 31 06:29:57 <Hukka> Hm is TMO really slow today?
Dec 31 06:30:13 <Milo-> tmo?
Dec 31 06:30:20 <Hukka> talk.maemo.org
Dec 31 06:34:54 <|R> yes, it's pretty much been timing out for me for the last 15 minutes
Dec 31 06:35:30 <pupnik> i keep forgetting it's a phone also
Dec 31 06:36:56 <odinm> TMO is a phone?
Dec 31 06:37:36 <Milo-> N900 is a phone
Dec 31 06:37:39 <pupnik> responding to milo there
Dec 31 06:37:49 <pupnik> no, it's a camera!
Dec 31 06:37:54 <Milo-> oh
Dec 31 06:38:07 <odinm> TMO is hosted on an N900?
Dec 31 06:38:22 <Milo-> anyways, I didn't manage to install libqt4-dev :(
Dec 31 06:38:36 <Milo-> on scratchbox, that is
Dec 31 06:38:58 <pupnik> Milo-: apt-get install libqt4-dev from your target
Dec 31 06:39:26 <pupnik> or fakeroot
Dec 31 06:39:28 <Milo-> if I'm in a fakeroot, connection refuses
Dec 31 06:39:31 <pupnik> i can never recall if that's needed
Dec 31 06:39:40 <Milo-> if I'm not in a fakeroot, it complains that I'm not root
Dec 31 06:40:54 <pupnik> from armel target i can do it with fakeroot
Dec 31 06:41:38 <Milo-> /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set
Dec 31 06:42:10 <Milo-> what should I select for that?
Dec 31 06:42:38 <Milo-> qemu-arm or qemu-i386?
Dec 31 06:43:22 <pupnik> depends
Dec 31 06:43:33 <pupnik> that should get set if you switch targets with sb-menu
Dec 31 06:44:54 <pupnik> it seems people doiinng high level development prefer the x86 target for integration with debuggers and ides, and peoplel who just port apps mostly use the armel target
Dec 31 06:45:08 <Milo-> yikes
Dec 31 06:45:11 <Milo-> now I don't have apt-get :D
Dec 31 06:45:40 <Milo-> there we go
Dec 31 06:45:58 <Milo-> on ARMEL, no apt-get, on x86, got apt-get, but always says 'need to be root'
Dec 31 06:47:05 <pupnik> http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE  this might interest you also, development without scratchbox
Dec 31 06:47:48 <Milo-> ah there we go
Dec 31 06:47:48 <pupnik> Milo-: try wget [somesmallURL] in your scratchbox target
Dec 31 06:47:51 <pupnik> oh
Dec 31 06:48:02 <jX> anyone know what chip the n900 uses for it's cell radio?
Dec 31 06:48:41 <pupnik> Try working on an issue for more than two minutes before making it a public issue, searchable by google
Dec 31 06:48:45 * Arkenoi never managed to play any video with mplayer. seems that it is way less efficient than stock media player so there are not enough resources (cpu i think)
Dec 31 06:48:53 <Milo-> wheeeee.. http://u.meelo.org/QtTest.png
Dec 31 06:49:44 <pupnik> Arkenoi: it won't play your 720p
Dec 31 06:51:02 <Arkenoi> pupnik: it does not play dvd quality either. even files which stock player plays quite smoothly.
Dec 31 06:52:11 <pupnik> it's not good when scaling down stuff over 480 linens
Dec 31 06:52:30 <jX> yeah, if your'e transcoding to start, why not just transcode to mp4 and use the built in accelerated player.
Dec 31 06:53:51 <Arkenoi> i just download already transcoded file ;-)
Dec 31 06:54:19 <pupnik> 1) DVD can be 480 lines (NTSC)
Dec 31 06:54:47 <pupnik> 2) mplayer will handle those files the stock player wont.  think of it as your swiss army knife
Dec 31 06:56:30 <Arkenoi> 832x468 .mov -> extreme framedrop (i'd better say i get 0.5..1fps)
Dec 31 06:57:24 <pupnik> that is a lot of pixels to process
Dec 31 06:57:45 <pupnik> n800 could handle 400x240
Dec 31 06:57:56 <pupnik> and some slightly higher resolutionos
Dec 31 07:03:14 <Arkenoi> just looked at "9" trailer i got with n900: it is 800x480 and builtin player plays it perfectly well. mplayer does not quite poorly, almost impossible to watch
Dec 31 07:03:23 <jX> I know, I was amazed
Dec 31 07:03:41 <Arkenoi> s/not/it/
Dec 31 07:03:50 <infobot> Arkenoi meant: just looked at "9" trailer i got with n900: it is 800x480 and builtin player plays it perfectly well. mplayer does it quite poorly, almost impossible to watch
Dec 31 07:08:56 <jX> so should I be looking at irreco for the IR controller?
Dec 31 07:09:11 <RST38h> not that there are alternatives...
Dec 31 07:09:16 <jX> lirc
Dec 31 07:09:41 <pupnik> wow, nokia released a video that their player can play
Dec 31 07:10:15 <pupnik> that's so *clever* ;)
Dec 31 07:11:26 <RST38h> you probably won't argue that it is innovative though
Dec 31 07:11:31 * RST38h hides
Dec 31 07:12:57 <Milo-> I need apt-get for ARMEL -target on scratchbox, how do you get that?
Dec 31 07:13:24 <Milo-> I think it worked before, but I must have screwed up somehow :P
Dec 31 07:13:40 <Milo-> probably should move to that Madde soon
Dec 31 07:14:25 <RST38h> it is part of the sdk
Dec 31 07:14:31 <RST38h> sb2 -eR
Dec 31 07:14:38 <RST38h> apt-get install <your packages>
Dec 31 07:14:39 <Milo-> hmm then something has happened
Dec 31 07:15:05 <Milo-> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-get install libqt4-dev
Dec 31 07:15:05 <Milo-> bash: apt-get: command not found
Dec 31 07:15:56 <RST38h> hmm
Dec 31 07:16:12 <RST38h> Ok, I am actually using SB2, not SB1, but apt-get should still be in SB1, right?
Dec 31 07:16:25 <Milo-> I am using sbox
Dec 31 07:16:49 <Milo-> no wait, that is 1 actually
Dec 31 07:17:00 <Milo-> and apt-get works with X86 target, but not with arm
Dec 31 07:19:41 <timeless_mbp> you're missing a devkit
Dec 31 07:20:31 <Milo-> devkit-maemo5?
Dec 31 07:21:27 <Milo-> or is maemo3 the only devkit you can get for sb1?
Dec 31 07:24:13 <Milo-> "install-madde-xmas-linux-x86_64.sh" = 616MB. how can a shell-script be over 600MB :o
Dec 31 07:25:20 <RST38h> Hehe, that is the whole package there
Dec 31 07:25:25 <Milo-> yep I know
Dec 31 07:25:27 <RST38h> probably MIMEd ;)
Dec 31 07:28:46 <pupnik> what sick, sad scum spend their lives generating drupal websites full of pseudoweb just to catch google searches...
Dec 31 07:29:33 <pupnik> oh well, 'people who ned to eat' i guess
Dec 31 07:30:12 <pupnik> just spent a few minutes looking for windows software for a friend
Dec 31 07:34:15 * RST38h feels that it should be Chinese
Dec 31 07:36:09 <RST38h> unless, of course, it is done automatically by a computer
Dec 31 07:40:20 * Arkenoi thinks that people who are increasing entropy just because of "need to eat" should be tortured and killed
Dec 31 07:41:33 <RST38h> And what better use for such people can be than televized gladiator games to the death? =)
Dec 31 07:41:41 * RST38h cackles evilly
Dec 31 07:43:47 <Pudding-n900> hey guys
Dec 31 07:44:03 <Pudding-n900> can anybody help me quick?
Dec 31 07:44:46 <Pudding-n900> i've tried dto add a new path to "PATH"
Dec 31 07:45:20 <Pudding-n900> somehow i wrote some crap
Dec 31 07:45:58 <Pudding-n900> my question now, how can i remove/edit paths in "PATH"
Dec 31 07:47:27 <RST38h> same way you added it
Dec 31 07:48:41 <Pudding-n900> export PATH=$PATH'pathname'
Dec 31 07:48:48 <Pudding-n900> ?
Dec 31 07:49:06 <Pudding-n900> dont i do add paths with this command?
Dec 31 07:49:44 <RST38h> export PATH=<whatever you want your new path to be>
Dec 31 07:54:01 <Pudding-n900> ah, alright
Dec 31 07:54:21 <Pudding-n900> and where is the file with this informations?
Dec 31 07:54:48 <Pudding-n900> /etc/profile/ doesnt show em all
Dec 31 07:56:09 <Pudding-n900> p.s. but with 'export PATH=...' i do add paths, but dont delete them
Dec 31 07:56:11 <Pudding-n900> or?
Dec 31 07:56:33 <Milo-> the volume buttons during phone-calls are upside down
Dec 31 08:07:06 <villager> Pudding-n900: just do "echo $PATH" to print the existing path, then export PATH= what you want the new path to be
Dec 31 08:08:33 <villager> export PATH= is not a command to add, but to set... it's just that the $PATH part you used before substituted your original path into what was set
Dec 31 08:09:34 <Hukka> Hrmh. It's not just talk, also mailman in garage.maemo.org is sluggish.
Dec 31 08:20:04 <bleader> any idea why on some ssh from n900, return isn't working ? C-m does work
Dec 31 08:20:34 <Stskeeps> Hukka: there's a lot of migration work being done these days
Dec 31 08:21:13 <Hukka> I see. I hadn't noticed any announcements about that
Dec 31 08:21:29 <Hukka> How are things changing?
Dec 31 08:21:30 <Stskeeps> well it is being done iteratively
Dec 31 08:21:37 <Stskeeps> Hukka: moving to faster servers and new ISP afaik
Dec 31 08:21:47 <Hukka> Well, that's good
Dec 31 08:22:26 <Stskeeps> http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/ is my information source usually
Dec 31 08:22:39 <Hukka> I suppose days between christmas and new year are the best for such things, even if people like me don't recognize any holidays :)
Dec 31 08:22:53 <Stskeeps> it's between christmas and new year? ;o
Dec 31 08:28:40 <tekojo> Hukka, Stskeeps, last night there was some weird traffic peak. No understanding yet where it came from.
Dec 31 08:29:05 <Hukka> Odd
Dec 31 08:29:52 <Hukka> Somehow I can't believe it could have been legit, but why would anyone want to DOS maemo.org...
Dec 31 08:29:56 <Hukka> Expecially on christmas
Dec 31 08:30:03 <Stskeeps> Hukka: well, 16 year old kids with iphones ;)
Dec 31 08:30:18 <Hukka> Would they even know what Maemo is :?
Dec 31 08:30:53 <Stskeeps> Hukka: judging by my experience on irc, even thinking something is a threat is enough to piss off script kiddies :)
Dec 31 08:32:38 <tekojo> Well there was a dos on talk about a month back, that was even weirder
Dec 31 08:33:17 <Stskeeps> i don't understand the point of a dos without boasting why you did it :P
Dec 31 08:33:43 <Stskeeps> but i guess there's idiotic kids who'll do it for the kick of it :P
Dec 31 08:35:30 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Dec 31 08:36:49 <tabMonkey_n900> morning
Dec 31 09:58:06 <frals> uh, when did ipod touch become a tablet? :+
Dec 31 09:58:17 <luke-jr> when was it anything but?
Dec 31 09:58:59 <Stskeeps> frals: touch is defined as a tablet i'd say
Dec 31 09:59:26 <frals> alright
Dec 31 09:59:51 <frals> always consider it a pmp ;o
Dec 31 10:00:31 <luke-jr> frals: you mean 'when did ipod touch get added to the ipod line?'
Dec 31 10:03:27 <frals> hmm, wonder why im receiving two mails with the mailinglist digest
Dec 31 10:07:18 <X-Fade> frals: Can you check the headers? It can be that the new server is also sending it. (should not)
Dec 31 10:10:36 <frals> ye getting from diff servers
Dec 31 10:10:56 <X-Fade> frals: Yeah, killed the new one for now ;)
Dec 31 10:11:16 <LuciusMare> ohai
Dec 31 10:11:24 <frals> explains why i got last weeks digests again yesterday or the day before as well i guess :P
Dec 31 10:12:10 <X-Fade> frals: Moving a lot of servers is quite a lot of work and things running in parallel can get a bit confusing ;)
Dec 31 10:12:13 <LuciusMare> how can i reverse tether on fremantle? (i connect my tablet to computer connected to the internet thus getting thr internet on the tablet)
Dec 31 10:12:25 <frals> hehe yeah :)
Dec 31 10:17:29 <LuciusMare> nobody? :(
Dec 31 10:18:54 <PaulFertser> LuciusMare: is not there iptables command?
Dec 31 10:19:50 <PaulFertser> LuciusMare: to setup NAT on your computer? And "ip" or traditional "route" on fremantle to set the routing?
Dec 31 10:20:08 <LuciusMare> maybe
Dec 31 10:20:17 <LuciusMare> but does iptables support usb connection?
Dec 31 10:20:21 <PaulFertser> LuciusMare: so either NAT or bridging or configure a proxy server on your host.
Dec 31 10:20:56 <PaulFertser> LuciusMare: iptables do not care about type of connection. If you have usb0 or eth2 or whatever device on your PC then you can use iptables to do whatever you need.
Dec 31 10:23:52 <LuciusMare> hm
Dec 31 10:24:57 <LuciusMare> is there a simple windows app for that?
Dec 31 10:25:02 <bigbrovar> anyone use upnp feature of the N900? am trying to setup a upnp server for my ubuntu workstation and am looking at mediatomb, has anyone tried it before?
Dec 31 10:25:46 <PaulFertser> LuciusMare: what are you talking about?
Dec 31 10:25:57 <PaulFertser> LuciusMare: is your PC running windows?
Dec 31 10:26:25 <PaulFertser> Oh man, i think windows has some builtin means to do NAT (like "internet connection sharing" or some shit)...
Dec 31 10:27:58 <LuciusMare> yes
Dec 31 10:27:58 <LuciusMare> i hope so
Dec 31 10:28:17 <LuciusMare> thank you
Dec 31 10:29:11 <PaulFertser> Weird guy
Dec 31 10:31:43 <Stskeeps> moin Myrtti
Dec 31 10:50:29 <lardman> morning all
Dec 31 10:51:05 <lardman> In Python, can I use sizeof() to get the length of a ListStore object?
Dec 31 10:51:11 <lardman> if not, how should one do that?
Dec 31 10:54:47 <flux> any suggestions for a spreadseet app for n900? os2008 had gnumeric, anyone working on that?
Dec 31 10:55:15 <lardman> have you tried compiling it?
Dec 31 11:08:59 <jayford> jebba here?
Dec 31 11:27:50 <Italodance> salam be hamegi
Dec 31 11:30:39 <lardman> is that something to do with peace?
Dec 31 11:31:29 <bigbrovar> anyone use upnp feature of the N900? am trying to setup a upnp server for my ubuntu workstation and am looking at mediatomb, has anyone tried it before? --  works like a charm
Dec 31 11:31:45 <lardman> have used it with an XP box, worked fine
Dec 31 11:32:11 <Corsac> hmhm, events id aren't used outside of el.db, are they?
Dec 31 11:32:24 <bigbrovar> I just installed media box on ubuntu and pointed it to my to my timecapsule mount point where I have over 500gb of video and music
Dec 31 11:33:16 <flux> lardman, me? no
Dec 31 11:33:19 <flux> but perhaps I should
Dec 31 11:33:52 <bigbrovar>  everything is working ootb zeroconfig on the N900 it just detected the mediatomb upnp server and loads all my music and video and streams them fine \o/
Dec 31 11:34:16 <RST38h> BTW, anyone knows if N900 Canola is optified?
Dec 31 11:34:23 * RST38h does not want to install too much stuff to /
Dec 31 11:34:40 <Italodance> I HATE NOKIA! VIVA APPLE FOREVER!
Dec 31 11:35:14 <Shadikka> bigbrovar: I tested the UPnP media client feature a while ago, works nicely
Dec 31 11:35:43 <RST38h> LAWSUIT! LAWSUIT!
Dec 31 11:36:18 <bigbrovar> Shadikka: yeah .. its wow... this is the best device I ever owned..
Dec 31 11:36:50 <Corsac> RST38h: didn't install canola, I was a bit scared about the daemon stuff
Dec 31 11:37:10 <jX> just draw a pentagram on the back in blood and you'll be fine
Dec 31 11:39:05 <Corsac> :))
Dec 31 11:45:30 <RST38h> Corsac: Yea, it is a beast
Dec 31 11:45:43 <RST38h> jX: Whose back? And in whose blood?
Dec 31 11:46:03 <jX> the back of the device, and whoever's blood you have handy.
Dec 31 11:46:12 <Pudding-n900> <Italodance> I HATE NOKIA! VIVA APPLE FOREVER! oO
Dec 31 11:46:20 <Pudding-n900> any arguments?
Dec 31 11:46:32 <jX> yes
Dec 31 11:46:40 <jX> want an iphone, go AT&T.
Dec 31 11:46:42 <jX> argument over.
Dec 31 11:46:49 <jX> (at least in the US)
Dec 31 11:46:57 <RST38h> Italodance: see? it worked!
Dec 31 11:47:06 <jX> for europe, want an iphone? LEarn to love itunes.
Dec 31 11:47:07 <jX> argument over.
Dec 31 11:47:10 <red> Has nokia given any info on when any portrait mode update is coming?
Dec 31 11:47:31 <red> iPhone -- faulty hardware heaven
Dec 31 11:47:42 <jX> I wouldn't say there's been a lot of faulty hardware.
Dec 31 11:47:51 <red> Four devices in 1,5 months
Dec 31 11:47:54 <red> argument over.
Dec 31 11:47:58 <jX> lulz
Dec 31 11:48:00 <jX> red++
Dec 31 11:48:03 <red> :D
Dec 31 11:48:27 <red> want updates breaking your hardware? go iPhone now!
Dec 31 11:49:30 <red> 122 900 views on 3.1 update killing wifi thread @ apple support forum
Dec 31 11:49:38 <red> 0 replies by the company itself :)
Dec 31 11:50:07 <red> two other similar threads with over 60k hits each too :p
Dec 31 11:52:28 <Corsac> red: while in b.m.o the official answer would be “create a brainstorm”
Dec 31 11:53:40 <andre__> Corsac, not for stuff that are clearly bugs.
Dec 31 11:55:52 <RST38h> (given that you find some Nokia employee and privately persuade him that they are bugs)
Dec 31 11:56:28 <RST38h> otherwise, they are enhancements, as in "Add WiFi capability to firmware xx-xx"
Dec 31 11:59:55 <PaulFertser> andre__: yes, for hardware bugs the answer would be "contact nokia customer care" :/
Dec 31 12:00:34 <PaulFertser> And one can declare almost anything to be a "hardware bug".
Dec 31 12:00:45 <andre__> hmm....
Dec 31 12:02:31 <PaulFertser> andre__: to me all that "hardware/software" separation seems to be clearly ill. I can't understand why embedded developers do not confirm that.
Dec 31 12:02:59 <andre__> erm... because you cannot fix hardware bugs by changing software code?
Dec 31 12:03:28 <RST38h> Speaking of "enhancements". andre, could youverify the relevancy of bug #2501 in 51-xx ?
Dec 31 12:03:29 <PaulFertser> andre__: most of the time you can.
Dec 31 12:03:29 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2501 Hardware keyboard doesn't switch Input language when pressing Ctrl+Space
Dec 31 12:03:54 <andre__> PaulFertser, if you think so.... I disagree.
Dec 31 12:03:59 <PaulFertser> andre__: look at any errata for chips. Half of them usually have a software workaround.
Dec 31 12:04:15 <Corsac> workaround is not fix
Dec 31 12:04:18 <andre__> ah, "workaround". you said "fix" before.
Dec 31 12:04:41 <andre__> RST38h, why should it be fixed? :-P
Dec 31 12:04:51 <PaulFertser> andre__: some workarounds are essentially fixes. And it's better to have a workaround than to have to talk to "customer care". Especially if the hardware is not supposed to be fixed.
Dec 31 12:05:06 <RST38h> andre: I.e. not fixed in 51-xx and no plans to fix it?
Dec 31 12:05:12 <SpeedEvil> Sone
Dec 31 12:05:17 <andre__> RST38h, no plans at all to fix it :-/
Dec 31 12:05:26 <SpeedEvil> Sometimes changing teh documentation is effectively a complete fix.
Dec 31 12:05:37 <RST38h> andre: Wonderful. A perfect illustration of my words.
Dec 31 12:05:59 <SpeedEvil> If it does not meaningfully affect the operation of the chip, or complicate the software.
Dec 31 12:06:33 <PaulFertser> andre__: also very often a cooperation of software and hardware guys needed to actually verify the source of the problem and fix the bug.
Dec 31 12:06:52 <andre__> true.
Dec 31 12:07:01 <andre__> but unrelated.
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 31 12:10:56 2009
Dec 31 12:11:37 <andre__> PaulFertser, yeah, might be
Dec 31 12:11:39 <PaulFertser> andre__: i disagree with the idea to have differentiation for software and hardware issues. It's all related, ask any dev.
Dec 31 12:11:55 <andre__> that's okay. and i disagree with changing it :)
Dec 31 12:12:14 <PaulFertser> andre__: i bet you just can't do it.
Dec 31 12:12:28 <andre__> that might also be related :)
Dec 31 12:12:30 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: do you agree with my POV?
Dec 31 12:13:44 <PaulFertser> andre__: btw, i'm sorry to ask you again but is there any chance to get answer for the questions i posed about n900 usb host mode? The mail was quite detailed and i hope sane and not offensive enough to expect a clear and useful answer. Or should i better keep reminding Stskeeps about it?
Dec 31 12:13:55 <PaulFertser> s/to ask/to bother/
Dec 31 12:14:09 <andre__> PaulFertser, which email?
Dec 31 12:14:31 <PaulFertser> andre__: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.devel/22757
Dec 31 12:14:33 <andre__> ah. /me remembers something
Dec 31 12:14:46 <andre__> PaulFertser, don't know
Dec 31 12:14:53 <PaulFertser> andre__: Igor seems to be too busy (optimistic interpretation) to reply :(((
Dec 31 12:15:17 <Stskeeps> PaulFertser: i plan to probe people in january as previously stated
Dec 31 12:15:38 <PaulFertser> Stskeeps: ok, thanks in advance!
Dec 31 12:15:43 <PaulFertser> :)
Dec 31 12:15:56 <PaulFertser> (i seem to have forgotten about Jan or probably you haven't told the month)
Dec 31 12:17:39 <Stskeeps> right now i am fighting to put mer properly on n900, creating a pipeline for open sourcing things at community request and mapping what is actually closed
Dec 31 12:17:56 <wackl> is there a way to synchronize thunderbird contacts with n900 contacts?
Dec 31 12:18:14 <Corsac> opensync but it's a pain atm
Dec 31 12:18:24 <PaulFertser> Stskeeps: good luck with that, i think many hackers would be grateful for your work! :)
Dec 31 12:19:00 <Corsac> Stskeeps: btw, I might dedicate some time about mer on the TB if you want/need
Dec 31 12:19:12 <Stskeeps> Corsac: kernel needs work
Dec 31 12:19:21 <Corsac> (not now since my power adaptor is gone, but soon)
Dec 31 12:19:40 <Corsac> Stskeeps: 2.6.29-omap-pm is needed aiui?
Dec 31 12:19:55 <papo> hey andre__, I'm just wondering... you seem to do buzilla all day... are you nokia staff? and if yes, are you involved in other things or is it just bug triaging all the time?
Dec 31 12:20:05 <Stskeeps> Corsac: right
Dec 31 12:20:19 <infobot> PaulFertser meant: andre__: btw, i'm sorry to bother you again but is there any chance to get answer for the questions i posed about n900 usb host mode? The mail was quite detailed and i hope sane and not offensive enough to expect a clear and useful answer. Or should i bet...
Dec 31 12:20:33 <SpeedEvil> wackl: search for 'why the closed' on the wiki
Dec 31 12:20:42 <tekojo> PaulFertser I don't understand USB much, but having talked to the USB people, my understanding is that there is no hope of otg
Dec 31 12:20:47 <Corsac> Stskeeps: as I said, I managed to boot a -pm kernel without problems (well there were rotation problems but it booted fine)
Dec 31 12:20:56 <ceda> hmm, is bugs.maemo.org down?
Dec 31 12:21:06 <Corsac> I've upgraded to 2009.12a so it's gone but I should be able to rebuild a recent one easily
Dec 31 12:21:22 <SpeedEvil> teko: OTG is only one way of connecting stuff.
Dec 31 12:21:50 <PaulFertser> tekojo: OTG is a loosy technology anyway.
Dec 31 12:21:52 <SpeedEvil> tekojo: for example, externally powered, with a special cable to an external power source, and USB host mode is the other.
Dec 31 12:22:08 <PaulFertser> tekojo: you have to connect the equipment manually, by pushing jacks into receptables anyway.
Dec 31 12:22:21 <PaulFertser> tekojo: pressing several buttons to switch modes is not a big deal.
Dec 31 12:22:31 <andre__> papo, I work for maemo.org as bugmaster, yeah
Dec 31 12:22:33 <Stskeeps> PaulFertser: btw need your biased input on http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages , section 1 and 3
Dec 31 12:23:13 <tekojo> can try and remember to ask the usb people when back at the office next year
Dec 31 12:23:25 <PaulFertser> Stskeeps: i'll try to write a biased essay in email, thanks for asking :)
Dec 31 12:23:36 <SpeedEvil> tekojo: Thanks!
Dec 31 12:23:41 <PaulFertser> tekojo: it would be very nice of you if you showed them my email.
Dec 31 12:23:45 <papo> andre__: you just processed my bug, thank you :)
Dec 31 12:23:55 <andre__> papo, hehe :)
Dec 31 12:24:04 <tekojo> will try to remember
Dec 31 12:24:06 <PaulFertser> tekojo: because it has enough actual technical details to make for a constructive answer i hope.
Dec 31 12:24:09 <ceda> papo: can you access bugs.maemo.org right now?
Dec 31 12:24:16 <andre__> me neither.
Dec 31 12:24:51 <Corsac> either
Dec 31 12:25:00 <tekojo> PaulFertser will try to remember
Dec 31 12:25:05 <PaulFertser> tekojo: TIA
Dec 31 12:25:09 <papo> ceda: it's either very slow or down
Dec 31 12:25:16 * tekojo bookmarks mail
Dec 31 12:25:46 <ceda> papo: yeah, thanks for verifying that it's nothing at my end here
Dec 31 12:27:00 <Stskeeps> PaulFertser: people like you are going to be the type of people who will make most noise about procedure and process, so in this case its your bias i need :)
Dec 31 12:30:46 <PaulFertser> Stskeeps: sure. In fact my first impression of that page (i saw it several months before the first time) is that it should be much more frank. It sounds odd to see "Differentiation" as a valid reason to keep something closed but "Spreading maemo" as a valid reason to get something opened. And when the first seems to be pragmatic and sane (from a business pov) the second becomes hypocritic since nokia actually doesn't want spreading Maemo that much to n
Dec 31 12:30:52 <PaulFertser> ... loose "competitive advantage". Somehow people like me get irritated over those small nuances. I'm going to write more a detailed report about my thoughts and feelings tomorrow evening or a bit later.
Dec 31 12:31:06 <Stskeeps> ta
Dec 31 12:31:23 <crashanddie> woah
Dec 31 12:31:26 * crashanddie blinks
Dec 31 12:31:57 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: where's johnx at? Why haven't we seen him in so long?
Dec 31 12:32:07 <Hukka> Ugh, I can't get a handle on QTMultimedia vs Phonon. All google hits are from september, and then everybody agreed that the situation is unclear
Dec 31 12:32:27 <Hukka> Unfortunately there's nothing newer where matters would have been explained.
Dec 31 12:32:34 <Stskeeps> crashanddie: break
Dec 31 12:32:37 <Hukka> Anyone know what's the deal with QTMultimedia?
Dec 31 12:32:37 <crashanddie> Hukka: agreed, the situation is unclear
Dec 31 12:32:50 <bilboed-tp> Hukka, just use GStreamer. it'll still be around in maemo6 also
Dec 31 12:33:09 <Hukka> bilboed-tp: Did GStreamer work well with QT?
Dec 31 12:33:23 <crashanddie> dunno if it did, but it does
Dec 31 12:33:26 <bilboed-tp> considering they have nothing to do with each other, yes
Dec 31 12:34:16 <Hukka> Well, I suppose that if I want to (and I do) play video within a app window, then there has to be integration to the graphics toolkit
Dec 31 12:34:26 <bilboed-tp> Hukka, that's trivial
Dec 31 12:34:59 <Corsac> hmhm, status-area-applet-battery is closed source, isn't it?
Dec 31 12:35:05 <Hukka> Good to know. Well, I was going to use GStreamer anyway, since that's what's in M5. But I'm just a bit put off by the PR from QTMultimedia people.
Dec 31 12:35:19 <Hukka> There are two blog posts, and a lot of unanswered questions in the comments
Dec 31 12:35:26 <bilboed-tp> Hukka, the current status about QTMultimedia is that there's no status
Dec 31 12:35:39 <Hukka> Like "Why did you do this, when everything you claim to be amiss in Phonon is false"
Dec 31 12:36:01 <bilboed-tp> Hukka, it's just going to go the way of Phonon which is "oh, let's desing a framework and THEN figure out how to fit the other frameworks inside of it"... which is the fastest path to failure
Dec 31 12:36:23 <wackl> SpeedEvil: hm, not sure i get the point. do you mean that one or more reasons listed there are against a sync. with thunderbird contacts?
Dec 31 12:36:51 <Hukka> bilboed-tp: From googling around I got the impression that Phonon is somewhat liked around developer circles. You disagree?
Dec 31 12:37:05 <bilboed-tp> Hukka, depending on how far down you want to go, you might want to have a look at mafw, which will also be available in M6 AFAIK
Dec 31 12:37:16 <bilboed-tp> Hukka, I'm a gstreamer developer, what do you want me to say ? :)
Dec 31 12:37:32 <Hukka> bilboed-tp: Ah :)
Dec 31 12:38:58 <Jaffa> crashanddie!
Dec 31 12:39:00 <JimAM> anyone wanna see me do a sexy dance?
Dec 31 12:39:10 <crashanddie> Jaffa: !
Dec 31 12:39:16 <Hukka> bilboed-tp: Well, not withstanding that you don't have internal access, I would really like to hear "Nokia has a good plan for everything, and there will be no duplicate effort, and you can make every app work everywhere with same framework"
Dec 31 12:39:25 <Jaffa> crashanddie: Belated response: newsletter not moved much yet; need to start work on tooling/pulling together the volunteers.
Dec 31 12:39:27 <Hukka> But I wouldn't believe you, if you did say that... :/
Dec 31 12:39:31 <Jaffa> crashanddie: Maybe over the weekend
Dec 31 12:39:44 <RST38h> Hukka: Woul dyou like to hear that or the truth?
Dec 31 12:39:49 <crashanddie> Jaffa: hmm
Dec 31 12:39:57 <crashanddie> Jaffa: you in London next week? Available for a drink?
Dec 31 12:40:08 <crashanddie> Jaffa: I'm leaving the weekend after next
Dec 31 12:40:08 <Hukka> RST38h: Truth hurts, doesn't it...
Dec 31 12:40:09 <Jaffa> crashanddie: Yes
Dec 31 12:40:30 <mikhas> Hukka, what is so bad about using a non-qt lib in Qt, for once?
Dec 31 12:40:32 <bilboed-tp> Hukka, getting GStreamer to suit most multimedia use-cases alone took about 6 years. Extrapolate that to a framework that wants to do the same thing with a wide variety of backends and you'll see why I'm very dubious as to Phonon/QTMultimedia getting anywhere
Dec 31 12:40:44 <crashanddie> Jaffa: I'd still like to help
Dec 31 12:41:01 <Jaffa> crashanddie: Cool
Dec 31 12:41:10 <crashanddie> Jaffa: I'm so bored I've started to write a bot for an online flash game
Dec 31 12:41:20 <Hukka> mikhas: I'm not opposed to that, no. My point was that there are several issues in Nokia-sphere, where things seem to be unnecessarily forked.
Dec 31 12:41:31 <Jaffa> crashanddie: Good grief!
Dec 31 12:41:40 <crashanddie> oh ja
Dec 31 12:41:47 <Jaffa> Hukka: Have you seen pmo today?
Dec 31 12:42:00 <bilboed-tp> Hukka, there's even C++ bindings for GStreamer lying around somewhere
Dec 31 12:42:11 <bilboed-tp> Hukka, if you really want to do it the C++ way
Dec 31 12:42:20 <bilboed-tp> Hukka, but doing C calls from C++ code works fine too
Dec 31 12:42:22 <Hukka> Jaffa: Yeah, it's in my feed
Dec 31 12:42:30 <Hukka> bilboed-tp: Actually, Python is preferred :)
Dec 31 12:42:42 <crashanddie> Jaffa: you had pretty good following, but if you don't act on it people will forget about it
Dec 31 12:42:46 <bilboed-tp> Hukka, then no problem there :)
Dec 31 12:42:55 <jayford> hello, can anyone please tell me if the maemo UI is translatable? or would someone have to come up with a hacked firmware for that?
Dec 31 12:44:36 <frals> pretty sure it is, i *think* timeless is doing his own english strings for it isnt he?
Dec 31 12:44:52 <andre__> jayford, didn't I explain this already or am I mixing up nicknames?
Dec 31 12:45:06 <jayford> no not to me
Dec 31 12:45:09 <jayford> :)
Dec 31 12:45:33 <andre__> heh. okay :)
Dec 31 12:45:34 <andre__> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=27997
Dec 31 12:46:17 <jayford> thanks will read :)
Dec 31 12:46:51 <Jaffa> crashanddie: Indeed.
Dec 31 12:47:39 <crashanddie> Jaffa: so what have you been up to, sir? What's new?
Dec 31 12:47:46 <crashanddie> how was christmas?
Dec 31 12:47:59 <crashanddie> is timeless around?
Dec 31 12:48:38 <andre__> jayford, Maemo5 is using gettext with po files that turn into mo files when compiling, while Maemo6 will most probably use the Qt way for translating
Dec 31 12:48:41 <Jaffa> crashanddie: Christmas good. Pondering jobs at the moment
Dec 31 12:48:42 <crashanddie> Someone should ask him how Christmas was :D
Dec 31 12:48:51 <crashanddie> Jaffa: oh really?
Dec 31 12:49:03 <Jaffa> crashanddie: He's not crashing at mine tonight (or, rather, isn't *yet* ;-))
Dec 31 12:49:15 <crashanddie> heh, so he convinced ya?
Dec 31 12:49:31 <Jaffa> crashanddie: Yeah, I saw him in Helsinki a few weeks ago
Dec 31 12:50:12 <Stskeeps> andre__: i'm kinda wondering if we can get something brewing for maemo5 since there's zh_HK localizations etc based on original nokia l10n :P
Dec 31 12:50:18 <crashanddie> who could refuse a jewish boy trying to find the woman of his dreams during a pilgrimage
Dec 31 12:50:22 <andre__> ah
Dec 31 12:51:28 <jayford> andre__, I don't have the N900 yet, but when I will, will I be able to access these files? could I start translating right away or do I have to wait for this community project? and lastly - does the whole OS use these files? (can I translate "everything"?)
Dec 31 12:53:21 <Jaffa> crashanddie: Ah, he's on the pull, is he?
Dec 31 12:53:32 <crashanddie> Jaffa: oh ja!
Dec 31 12:58:49 * fnordianslip wonders how he can provide a screenshot for the conky download page ... any suggestions ?
Dec 31 12:59:19 <Hukka> fnordianslip: You mean apart from ctrl-shift-p?
Dec 31 12:59:33 <Hukka> Was that the shortcut anyway, not sure...
Dec 31 12:59:40 <fnordianslip> i mean, how do i post the image, not acquire it
Dec 31 12:59:48 <Hukka> Ah. Flickr?
Dec 31 12:59:53 <X-Fade> fnordianslip: edit the page in downloads
Dec 31 13:00:02 <fnordianslip> ah, ...
Dec 31 13:00:09 <jayford> http://tinypic.com/
Dec 31 13:00:41 <fnordianslip> i think editing is the answer I'm looking for
Dec 31 13:01:48 <fnordianslip> i  knew that irritating floaty javascript thingy would come in handy one day :)
Dec 31 13:02:50 <zaheerm> does backup of communications and calendar backup contacts also?
Dec 31 13:04:16 <thorbjorn> I'm facing the following problem with the libguichan-dev package: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m7d9f3e23
Dec 31 13:04:27 <thorbjorn> Where would be the appropriate place to file a bug report or to help fix the problem?
Dec 31 13:04:59 <thorbjorn> (I'm trying to get The Mana World packaged based on the Debian build rules)
Dec 31 13:05:57 <lardman> report the error to the author of libguichan
Dec 31 13:06:28 <thorbjorn> Hmm, the author has nothing to do with the package.
Dec 31 13:06:42 <thorbjorn> And the package does not have this problem in Debian, due to the other ones being available.
Dec 31 13:06:46 <lardman> sorry, I meant the person who pushed it to the repo
Dec 31 13:07:03 <thorbjorn> Alright, where do I find such information?
Dec 31 13:07:20 <lardman> should be listed for the package, comes from the control file
Dec 31 13:08:09 <thorbjorn> Is there something like package.debian.org for Maemo?
Dec 31 13:08:20 <thorbjorn> packages.debian.org*
Dec 31 13:08:33 <lardman> otherwise take a look at the cauldron ml and see who uploaded the package
Dec 31 13:09:01 <frals> thorbjorn: http://maemo.org/packages/ maybe?
Dec 31 13:10:14 <lardman> https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/
Dec 31 13:10:57 <thorbjorn> frals: That lists mikkov_ as maintainer.
Dec 31 13:12:18 <thorbjorn> I'll see if it lists his email somewhere.
Dec 31 13:12:49 <lardman> or catch him on TMO
Dec 31 13:12:55 <thorbjorn> What is TMO?
Dec 31 13:12:58 <lardman> ~TMO
Dec 31 13:13:07 <lardman> infobot: wake up!
Dec 31 13:13:08 * infobot throws a barrel-full of ice water on up! and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"
Dec 31 13:13:11 <lardman> ~tmo
Dec 31 13:13:18 <frals> talk.maemo.org
Dec 31 13:13:23 <lardman> stupid bot
Dec 31 13:13:26 <lardman> :)
Dec 31 13:13:39 <thorbjorn> infobot: seen mikkov_?
Dec 31 13:13:41 <infobot> mikkov_ <n=mtvartia@vipunen.hut.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 118d 13h 45m 22s ago, saying: 'GAN800: search for blueman, but yes it's major fail that it's not there'.
Dec 31 13:13:47 <PaulFertser> lardman: but you still love him, do not you? ;)
Dec 31 13:14:03 <lardman> PaulFertser: not sure love is the right word.....
Dec 31 13:15:17 <thorbjorn> I guess I'll be looking into taking over maintainership now.
Dec 31 13:15:34 <lardman> thorbjorn: he's still around on TMO
Dec 31 13:15:46 <lardman> I PM'd him the other day about another package iirc
Dec 31 13:15:49 <thorbjorn> Ah, I totally missed TMO meant talk.maemo.org... sorry.
Dec 31 13:16:08 <lardman> sorry, I was too busy cursing infobot to answer you
Dec 31 13:18:45 <thorbjorn> Hrm, does talk.maemo.org have a different username than garage.maemo.org?
Dec 31 13:19:01 <lardman> hmm, my client has gone tits up, needs a restart, bbiam
Dec 31 13:19:02 <Stskeeps> yes
Dec 31 13:19:11 <lardman> thopiekar: but often the same
Dec 31 13:19:19 <lardman> thopiekar: sorry
Dec 31 13:19:26 <lardman> thorbjorn: see above
Dec 31 13:19:30 <thopiekar> never mind :)
Dec 31 13:19:40 <lardman> ~lart Windows clients
Dec 31 13:19:40 * infobot beats Windows clients senseless with a 50lb Unix manual
Dec 31 13:19:41 <lardman> bbiam
Dec 31 13:20:12 <crashanddie> yo lardman
Dec 31 13:20:19 <lardman> hey crashanddie
Dec 31 13:20:45 <thorbjorn> Well that's great, now I have to wait 15 minutes to log in. :P
Dec 31 13:21:19 <crashanddie> lardman: what's up buddy? How is Qt coming along?
Dec 31 13:21:54 <lardman> crashanddie: busy with day job stuff, but have packaged up gst-zbar and gst-dmtx to try and offload the processing to the gstreamer threads
Dec 31 13:22:05 <lardman> and just fiddling about with some python code to test them out
Dec 31 13:22:27 <crashanddie> cool
Dec 31 13:22:37 <lardman> and you?
Dec 31 13:22:46 <lardman> over in Oz yet?
Dec 31 13:22:49 <crashanddie> nope
Dec 31 13:22:53 <crashanddie> are you in London next week?
Dec 31 13:23:02 <lardman> no chance, sorry
Dec 31 13:23:07 <crashanddie> I'll be back from Tuesday afternoon till Saturday
Dec 31 13:23:10 <lardman> going to be working my little socks
Dec 31 13:23:11 <lardman> off
Dec 31 13:23:13 <crashanddie> oh come on you fat bastard, last chance!
Dec 31 13:23:25 <lardman> Got two papers to get in and a review to do
Dec 31 13:23:32 <lardman> lol
Dec 31 13:23:42 <crashanddie> Mammoth fail.
Dec 31 13:23:44 <lardman> will meet you when I'm next over in Oz, perhaps next year
Dec 31 13:23:49 <crashanddie> Tusk. tusk. tusk.
Dec 31 13:23:53 <lardman> :)
Dec 31 13:24:00 <lardman> Oz is far preferable to London
Dec 31 13:24:17 <crashanddie> yeah, but Jaffa will be down, and Aniello as well
Dec 31 13:24:29 <crashanddie> why are you coming to Oz?
Dec 31 13:24:33 <crashanddie> we don't want you lot :P
Dec 31 13:25:08 <lardman> My Mum's Australian, I go every couple of years
Dec 31 13:25:14 <crashanddie> oh really?
Dec 31 13:25:18 <lardman> yeah
Dec 31 13:25:18 <crashanddie> Whereabouts?
Dec 31 13:25:26 <lardman> Adelaide or sometimes Perth
Dec 31 13:25:37 <crashanddie> yeah, we won't be seeing each other :P
Dec 31 13:25:50 <lardman> well 'tis only a short flight to the East coast ;)
Dec 31 13:26:05 <crashanddie> if 5 hours of travel is short to you :P
Dec 31 13:26:16 <crashanddie> (including queuing etc)
Dec 31 13:26:18 <lardman> it is after the 24h-odd getting over there :p
Dec 31 13:26:41 <lardman> flying to the US is short compared with flying to Singapore
Dec 31 13:26:42 <crashanddie> I've got a 26h in the works
Dec 31 13:26:45 <crashanddie> not very massive after a 40h journey :P
Dec 31 13:27:03 <lardman> ah, West coast US to somewhere?
Dec 31 13:27:14 <crashanddie> (coming back from Cal. and going to the SoF + snow in London)
Dec 31 13:27:30 <lardman> 40h?!
Dec 31 13:27:36 <crashanddie> oh yeah
Dec 31 13:27:37 <lardman> ah, delays I take it
Dec 31 13:27:40 <crashanddie> yup
Dec 31 13:27:44 <lardman> harsh
Dec 31 13:27:47 <crashanddie> yup
Dec 31 13:27:56 <crashanddie> still not completely through jet-lag -- after two weeks
Dec 31 13:27:59 <lardman> well we had no snow here in Bath, just some ice
Dec 31 13:28:09 <crashanddie> yeah but that's bath for ya :P
Dec 31 13:28:18 <lardman> true, rain rain rain
Dec 31 13:28:29 <lardman> right, got to pop to the shop, bbiam
Dec 31 13:28:36 <crashanddie> I'm out for today
Dec 31 13:28:48 <crashanddie> gotta setup a massive amount of fireworks for tonight
Dec 31 13:28:58 <crashanddie> just over 400 quid worth :P
Dec 31 13:29:09 <crashanddie> (picture on my flickr page, that's just 100 quid)
Dec 31 13:30:46 <crashanddie> I've got one cracker that was 50 quid on its own -- 4 stages, 380 grams in total; an absolute monster
Dec 31 13:30:50 <crashanddie> anyway, take care!
Dec 31 13:31:20 <frals> hmm, pyside or pyqt for python+qt dev on fremantle?
Dec 31 13:36:49 * thorbjorn receives an email that "somebody" has been trying to log in with the wrong password, and that he has to wait another 15 minutes before trying to log in again...
Dec 31 13:37:47 <thorbjorn> At least I got the username right.
Dec 31 13:47:03 <Ceron> http://www.puhelinvertailu.com/uutiset.cfm/2009/12/31/nokia_lisasi_image_spaceen_laajennettua_todellisuutta i want this for maemo
Dec 31 13:47:14 <Ceron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr65Apn4V40&feature=player_embedded
Dec 31 13:48:48 <Ceron> tobad n900 doesnt have the damn COMPASS
Dec 31 13:49:00 <Ceron> augmented reality apps like that dont really work
Dec 31 13:49:41 <lardman> mmm, augmented reality sounds cool
Dec 31 13:49:58 <lardman> bit of a major oversight not adding the compass really
Dec 31 13:50:30 <n900evil> I am willing to add the compass for only $50
Dec 31 13:50:56 <n900evil> To your n900
Dec 31 13:50:57 <lardman> how?
Dec 31 13:51:25 <n900evil> of course, this may void warranty :)
Dec 31 13:51:33 <lardman> ah, soldering it on
Dec 31 13:51:46 <lardman> what was the conclusion of that TMO thread then?
Dec 31 13:52:05 <n900evil> dissasemble, add compass chip to I2C
Dec 31 13:52:05 <lardman> would be good to find a BT device with a compass built in, anyone know of one?
Dec 31 13:52:30 <lardman> Have we seen disassembled images yet?
Dec 31 13:52:50 <lardman> and where's qwerty, I wonder if there are circuit diagrams scudding about too
Dec 31 13:52:51 <n900evil> lard: I would gjuess only expensive garmin gpss that can also do bt
Dec 31 13:53:06 <lardman> best to check there isn't one in there hidden away before getting out the soldering iron
Dec 31 13:53:18 <n900evil> there are dissasembled images
Dec 31 13:54:08 <n900evil> compass was not incljded as until recently it was quite expensive, and woujld add $15 to price
Dec 31 13:54:20 <n900evil> this is changing.
Dec 31 13:54:25 <lardman> but is in the N97?
Dec 31 13:54:58 <n900evil> search fcc n900 dissasembled
Dec 31 13:55:14 <lardman> ok
Dec 31 13:55:33 <n900evil> also look in n900_hardware_hacking on wiki
Dec 31 13:55:36 <lardman> http://www.haicom.com.tw/hi_406bt_c.aspx has compass, not sure if the compass data is available though (other than via the LEDs)
Dec 31 13:56:33 <n900evil> there is a standard to export it via NMEA
Dec 31 13:56:37 <n900evil> BUT...
Dec 31 13:56:54 <lardman> yep, but not sure if it's anything more than a flashing light gimick in that device
Dec 31 13:57:54 <n900evil> also compass in external device fails for AR
Dec 31 13:58:01 <lardman> ?
Dec 31 13:58:03 <n900evil> A
Dec 31 13:58:20 <n900evil> it does not indicate devi
Dec 31 13:58:30 <n900evil> ce pointing
Dec 31 13:58:38 <lardman> caused by the N900 itself you mean?
Dec 31 13:59:16 <n900evil> AR is seeing a virtual window as yoiu move the phone.
Dec 31 13:59:52 <n900evil> if the compass is external it will move with that, not the n900
Dec 31 13:59:59 <lardman> I see
Dec 31 14:00:13 <lardman> I was thinking of taping it to the bottom of the device when I wanted that sort of thing
Dec 31 14:00:27 <n900evil> ah
Dec 31 14:00:37 <n900evil> gonna be huge.
Dec 31 14:00:38 <lardman> just to do some hacking with
Dec 31 14:00:40 <lardman> yeah
Dec 31 14:01:41 <n900evil> I need to see if the active I2C bus is exposed on the bolttom.
Dec 31 14:02:13 <Hukka> bilboed-tp: Tell me if you don't want to be bugged, but what could "dsp_thread: failed waiting for events
Dec 31 14:02:22 <Hukka> " mean
Dec 31 14:02:53 <Hukka> I'm opening a videofile to playbin, but it just stalls in the first frame until the app is killed
Dec 31 14:03:08 <lardman> n900evil: looks like the compass in that device is just a gimmick
Dec 31 14:03:09 <lardman> shame
Dec 31 14:03:16 <Hukka> Google gives very little results, mostly to source files in maemo.gitorious.org
Dec 31 14:03:39 <n900evil> is there a completion stroke in xchat?
Dec 31 14:04:28 <n900evil> nick completion.
Dec 31 14:04:35 <thorbjorn> It isn't tab?
Dec 31 14:04:49 <n900evil> how do I get tab though.
Dec 31 14:04:58 <thorbjorn> Ah...
Dec 31 14:04:58 <lardman> symbols
Dec 31 14:05:16 <n900evil> how do I pop that up
Dec 31 14:06:37 <lardman> fn-ctrl
Dec 31 14:07:27 <n900evil> stupidly picky
Dec 31 14:07:52 <n900evil> most of the times IK press ikt it does not pop up.
Dec 31 14:09:15 <n900evil> ah. requires fn first. stupid.
Dec 31 14:09:21 <n900evil> thanks.
Dec 31 14:10:21 <bilboed-tp> Hukka, it's the dsp bridge code. Haven't hacked that much with that part
Dec 31 14:10:34 <bilboed-tp> Hukka, most likely a file that isn't perfectly supported :(
Dec 31 14:10:49 <lardman> I wonder if this: http://www.wintec.com.tw/GPS/bluetoothgps/WBT100.htm
Dec 31 14:11:01 <lardman> outputs the compass data as part of its $GP* data set
Dec 31 14:11:17 <lardman> $GPVTG for example
Dec 31 14:11:31 <Hukka> bilboed-tp: That one came from a video recorded with N900...
Dec 31 14:12:14 <bilboed-tp> Hukka, oh, that's really bad then
Dec 31 14:12:14 <Hukka> The 9 trailer and the N900 preloaded vid gave Error: GStreamer encountered a general stream error. qtdemux.c(2468): gst_qtdemux_loop (): /GstPlayBin:player/GstDecodeBin2:decodebin21/GstQTDemux:qtdemux1:
Dec 31 14:12:18 <bilboed-tp> some of those issues are fixed in the upcoming firmware update iirc
Dec 31 14:12:44 <Hukka> Would you have a small video available, that's sure to play?
Dec 31 14:13:02 <Hukka> Just to test the app independent of the format support
Dec 31 14:13:05 <n900evil> la: lists vtg and zda sentances. check what those are
Dec 31 14:13:45 <bilboed-tp> Hukka, the ones provided with the device should definitely work :)
Dec 31 14:14:28 <lardman> http://aprs.gids.nl/nmea/#zda
Dec 31 14:14:33 <Hukka> Hm, just to clarify, they do of course play well in the official media player
Dec 31 14:14:42 <Hukka> But I'm trying to use gst from python directly
Dec 31 14:15:03 <lardman> VTG is track made good, has a comment about magnetic heading
Dec 31 14:15:30 <n900evil> la: gphdt maybe
Dec 31 14:15:55 <bilboed-tp> Hukka, aaah, ok
Dec 31 14:16:14 <bilboed-tp> Hukka, try playing them with "gst-launch-0.10 playbin2 uri=file:///where/your/file/is/located.mov"
Dec 31 14:16:26 <bilboed-tp> Hukka, if that works too, then it's most likely a bug in your app
Dec 31 14:16:52 <lardman> n900evil: nah, doesn't output that one
Dec 31 14:17:00 <Hukka> bilboed-tp: No gst-launch available on N900, what do I need to install for that?
Dec 31 14:17:17 <bilboed-tp> Hukka, it's provided by the gstreamer-tools package (or something like that)
Dec 31 14:17:33 <Hukka> Already installed
Dec 31 14:17:36 <n900evil> lard: none I can find docs on give field vector in 3d
Dec 31 14:17:45 <bilboed-tp> Hukka, wth ? let me check
Dec 31 14:17:52 <Hukka> bilboed-tp: Delay that, finds it now
Dec 31 14:18:02 <lardman> n900evil: bingo! http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/wintec-data-logger.php
Dec 31 14:18:03 <Hukka> Might have been something wrong with the tab completion
Dec 31 14:18:10 <Hukka> at least dpkg -L found it
Dec 31 14:18:29 <bilboed-tp> :)
Dec 31 14:20:08 <Hukka> bilboed-tp: All videos work with that
Dec 31 14:20:26 <bilboed-tp> then most likely a bug with your app
Dec 31 14:20:27 <Hukka> Ok, so error is, as expected, in my code :)
Dec 31 14:20:33 <bilboed-tp> try the examples in gst-python/examples/
Dec 31 14:20:49 <bilboed-tp> and I think zaheerm did a small maemo gst example
Dec 31 14:20:54 <bilboed-tp> s/gst/pygst/
Dec 31 14:20:56 <infobot> bilboed-tp meant: and I think zaheerm did a small maemo pygst example
Dec 31 14:21:21 <Hukka> infobot: Oh for... Are you the most useful little bot...
Dec 31 14:21:23 <infobot> okay, Hukka
Dec 31 14:22:09 <zaheerm> i did
Dec 31 14:22:22 <zaheerm> it is in examples inside gst-python
Dec 31 14:22:32 <Hukka> bilboed-tp: I triedthe pyqt-gst-player example first, but I'll take a step backwards and drop QT out of it
Dec 31 14:23:28 <Hukka> zaheerm: Yeah, it's right here. maemogst.py
Dec 31 14:23:43 <SpeedEvil> lardman: that device alas says it can't do compass and nmea at the same time
Dec 31 14:24:01 <lardman> SpeedEvil: indeed
Dec 31 14:24:10 <zaheerm> lardman, you using gst-zbar yet in mbarcode?
Dec 31 14:24:21 <lardman> though it does mention in the article that it might provide heading data to be used in the GPS output at low speed
Dec 31 14:24:33 <lardman> zaheerm: just testing in a python version of mbarcode
Dec 31 14:24:48 <lardman> zaheerm: but gst-dmtx is very slow and brings the pipeline to its knees
Dec 31 14:24:59 <zaheerm> ouch
Dec 31 14:25:05 <lardman> is rather slow
Dec 31 14:25:22 <lardman> will try moving it to another queue and skipping frames like crazy, see if I can get something useful working
Dec 31 14:25:49 <zaheerm> you can always drop the framerate
Dec 31 14:28:04 * lardman|n140 moves to a notebook
Dec 31 14:29:10 <lardman|n140> zaheerm: framerate already as low as possible
Dec 31 14:29:32 <lardman|n140> |I don't know the exact setting for the N900, but I request one below 10fps
Dec 31 14:30:01 <lardman|n140> still, dmtx decoding is rather intensive
Dec 31 14:30:17 <Hukka> The maemogst example is quite different from the ones I've yet seen
Dec 31 14:30:25 <Hukka> No make_factory and so on
Dec 31 14:30:39 <Hukka> (I mean element_factory_make)
Dec 31 14:31:06 <lardman|n140> even in the manual C code I wrote, with dmtx running in a thread and only 2x per second, it would make the xvimagesink output stutter badly
Dec 31 14:31:07 <zaheerm> Hukka, gst.parse_launch for simple pipelines is much easier
Dec 31 14:31:37 <zaheerm> lardman|n140, you suspect the library or a gstreamer issue?
Dec 31 14:31:53 <Hukka> zaheerm: I'll try to port that example to QT, let's see how that goes.
Dec 31 14:32:31 <zaheerm> Hukka, feel free to submit it to gst-python biugzilla so we can add a qt gst-python example
Dec 31 14:32:47 <Hukka> zaheerm: Assuming I get it working first :)
Dec 31 14:32:56 <Hukka> But sure, I'll try to remember that
Dec 31 14:33:29 <zaheerm> good luck
Dec 31 14:35:05 <lardman|n140> zaheerm: is the lib
Dec 31 14:39:59 <bilboed-tp> Hukka, the only tricky part for you will be to figure out how to get a QT widget XID (to give to the XOverlay interface)
Dec 31 14:40:06 <Hukka> bilboed-tp: I know
Dec 31 14:40:13 <Mysterious> hi
Dec 31 14:40:14 <Hukka> bilboed-tp: I'm right at that point.
Dec 31 14:40:31 <lardman|n140> let me know how you get on, I need to know the same stuff
Dec 31 14:40:36 <Hukka> Getting the test screen to play was trivial, of course, since that is completely independent of the gui toolkit
Dec 31 14:40:51 <Mysterious> Is there a release of the VLC Player for N900 yet?
Dec 31 14:40:52 <lardman|n140> you need to set the Qt widgets to each have their own window
Dec 31 14:40:59 <Hukka> Though, the test I first tried to do didn't even do that...
Dec 31 14:42:03 <Hukka> That's also the exact thing that all the examples for QT avoid :)
Dec 31 14:42:34 <Mysterious> please answer
Dec 31 14:43:03 <onion> fremantle builder seems to have problems?
Dec 31 14:43:29 <lardman|n140> Mysterious: no idea
Dec 31 14:43:39 <Mysterious> :( thanks anyways
Dec 31 14:47:49 <AndrewFBlack> Hello
Dec 31 14:48:43 <cehteh> where are the avatar images you add to contacts stored?
Dec 31 14:50:31 <villager> cehteh: in the same database as the rest of the contact info, as far as I can tell
Dec 31 14:51:12 <cehteh> ah ok, i just figured out that it cant be just a link to the original file
Dec 31 14:51:29 <cehteh> that would get unmounted on usb connection
Dec 31 14:51:29 <villager> hmm, maybe not
Dec 31 14:51:48 <villager> ~/.osso-abook/avatars/
Dec 31 14:52:07 <Hukka> Ouch... a bunch of X Errors
Dec 31 14:53:18 <cehteh> villager: ah thanks
Dec 31 14:53:25 <villager> cehteh: but yeah, it's copied into its addressbook directory
Dec 31 14:53:35 <cehteh> yes
Dec 31 15:13:58 <bilboed-tp> on a desktop computer, when you're on a 'planet' website in firefox, you get an easy link to the rss feed
Dec 31 15:14:11 <bilboed-tp> how do you get to that with the browser ?
Dec 31 15:15:16 <zaheerm> copy url, go to terminal, wget <paste> read file in editor ;)
Dec 31 15:15:44 <zaheerm> sorry for pointless response ;)
Dec 31 15:15:44 * bilboed-tp slaps zaheerm 
Dec 31 15:15:56 <clmntch> hello
Dec 31 15:16:48 <dymaxion> hi there!  I just received my N900 this morning! woot!
Dec 31 15:18:32 <bizzle1> can someone help me get the n900 kernel to boot the microsd slot as root?
Dec 31 15:18:33 <Caesium> got mine yesterday :)
Dec 31 15:18:42 <lardman|n140> n900evil: http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=57588&whichpage=5
Dec 31 15:18:49 <Aranel> Where can I get .po files like osso-dsm-ui.po, or mediaplayer.po etc?
Dec 31 15:19:01 <lardman|n140> n900evil: $HCHDG message :)
Dec 31 15:19:39 * Gadgetoid_mbp opens and closes his N900 back cover, marvelling at the ingenuity of the SD card enabling
Dec 31 15:20:26 <Caesium> hum, is there no way to get smart calendar events in the calendar widget on the desktop?
Dec 31 15:20:37 <Caesium> I'd like to see when birthdays are approaching :)
Dec 31 15:20:57 <lardman|n140> likewise
Dec 31 15:21:05 <lardman|n140> is the applet open source?
Dec 31 15:21:17 <lardman|n140> if not, should be easy enough to write a new one with some willpower
Dec 31 15:21:46 <Caesium> considering trying the gpe calendar suite from extras-testing, looks fairly stable?
Dec 31 15:21:53 * dymaxion is already worried the plastic kickstand on his N900 will snap off!
Dec 31 15:22:10 <Caesium> the default calendaring is pretty weak, doesn't do bi-weekly events was the first thing I noticed :(
Dec 31 15:22:29 <kirma> ohh, maemo-geolocation works!
Dec 31 15:22:56 <kirma> should revive my "from this place to my favourite places" frontend to the public transport optimizer
Dec 31 15:23:14 <kirma> used to work with phone-internal web server and serious hackery on S60 phones
Dec 31 15:23:22 <X-Fade> Ok, time to go into New Year mode. More work next year ;)
Dec 31 15:23:50 * cehteh misses some rules based thingy which sets the avaliability state, using accelerometer, time, if music is playing, display state and so on
Dec 31 15:23:52 <lardman|n140> n900evil: can't see anywhere to buy one mind you
Dec 31 15:25:48 * Caesium wonders if anyone has actually tried n900fly for real, makes me giggle every time I see it in the repo :)
Dec 31 15:26:29 <cehteh> there are mobile throwing championchips :)
Dec 31 15:27:08 <cehteh> and my self build case is almost finished, that makes the n900 quite sturdy, then i may try :P
Dec 31 15:27:23 <Caesium> I put a £3 amazon case round mine till I find something better :)
Dec 31 15:28:16 * cehteh vacuum molded some shells and now laminating it with neoprene
Dec 31 15:28:23 <cehteh> exact fit :)
Dec 31 15:28:33 <Caesium> nice :)
Dec 31 15:29:18 <cehteh> bit expensive in labor and price too, but prolly the best around :)
Dec 31 15:29:43 * cehteh will send some pix next days
Dec 31 15:32:41 <Italodance> farsi?
Dec 31 15:35:08 <Hukka> bilboed-tp: Grrh... this is a bit untrivial since I don't yet know anything about QT
Dec 31 15:35:18 <bilboed-tp> then stick to gtk :)
Dec 31 15:35:49 <Hukka> Can't find the way to poke into the main gui thread
Dec 31 15:36:11 <bilboed-tp> gah
Dec 31 15:36:39 <bilboed-tp> Hukka, first answer of googling for "gstreamer qt mainloop"
Dec 31 15:37:00 <Arkenoi> what is the video out resolution for n900? there are several ntsc variants so i am not sure which data are correct
Dec 31 15:37:01 <Hukka> bilboed-tp: Thank you, the mainloop was the missing kw
Dec 31 15:37:13 <Hukka> bilboed-tp: Gui thread didn't give anything reasonable
Dec 31 15:38:34 <Arkenoi> does it provide native resolution or is it lower?
Dec 31 15:38:45 <Hukka> bilboed-tp: Nope, that does not resolve the problem. Based on that there should be no problem in the first place...
Dec 31 15:41:00 <jebba> could tracker-indexer possible consume more?
Dec 31 15:41:57 <Caesium> doesn't do it for long I think
Dec 31 15:42:06 <Caesium> noticed mine using 90% io for a few minutes earlier, but it's idle now.
Dec 31 15:50:19 <Khertan> Hi !
Dec 31 15:50:38 <Sir_Lancelot> hi guys
Dec 31 15:50:52 <Sir_Lancelot> wasup? any great news about our n900?
Dec 31 15:50:54 <Sir_Lancelot> :d
Dec 31 15:50:55 <lcuk> hi Khertan, hope you had a great christmas and are gonna have an even better new year !
Dec 31 15:51:28 <woglinde> he lcuk
Dec 31 15:51:39 <lcuk> hey woglinde
Dec 31 15:51:47 <Khertan> Hi lcuk, i hope you too !
Dec 31 15:52:22 <Khertan> but no particular enjoy foir new year as my wife works tomorrow
Dec 31 15:52:44 <Khertan> we will not wait the end of this year before going to bed
Dec 31 15:53:02 <bizzle1> has anyone had any luck booting from the microsd?
Dec 31 15:53:25 <lcuk> arghhh Khertan what timein the morning does she start work?
Dec 31 15:53:59 <Khertan> i m just planning tomorrow to finish the web mnotes website ...
Dec 31 15:54:14 <Khertan> luck : 6 hours
Dec 31 15:54:30 <Khertan> and working until 21h
Dec 31 15:54:50 <lcuk> yikes
Dec 31 15:55:23 <woglinde> hi khertan
Dec 31 15:55:54 <Khertan> hi woglinde
Dec 31 15:55:57 <Khertan> Someone know which method i should call to bring a hildon windows to front ?
Dec 31 15:56:17 <Khertan> i m fighting with that
Dec 31 15:56:23 <lardman|n140> I think there might be a libosso method to foreground a window
Dec 31 15:56:32 <woglinde> he lardman
Dec 31 15:56:37 <woglinde> n140 is cool
Dec 31 15:56:48 <woglinde> what ever it is
Dec 31 15:56:52 <lardman|n140> kb a bit too small, but does the job pretty well
Dec 31 15:57:00 <lardman|n140> samsung n140
Dec 31 15:57:26 <Hukka> Ain't that just great. Only response I can get from QT people is "use phonon" "Use _phonon_!"
Dec 31 15:57:43 * lardman|n140 replies, use gst
Dec 31 15:57:54 <Hukka> lardman|n140: I'm trying
Dec 31 15:57:56 <woglinde> *g*
Dec 31 15:58:07 <woglinde> phonon can do gst too
Dec 31 15:58:10 <Khertan> use gtk !
Dec 31 15:58:17 <lardman|n140> lol :)
Dec 31 15:58:18 <Khertan> :)
Dec 31 15:58:23 <woglinde> khertan lol
Dec 31 15:58:31 <woglinde> use apples
Dec 31 15:58:46 <woglinde> no strawberries
Dec 31 15:58:48 <Flandry> Is autobuilder horribly broken at the minute?
Dec 31 15:59:02 <Hukka> Yeah, that seems to be the gist here. Everyone surely is very crosstoolkit friendly and nothing is tied to anything, but try using anything but the default combinations...
Dec 31 15:59:13 <woglinde> flandry why?
Dec 31 16:00:14 <Flandry> it's failing to meet dependencies for debhelper lol
Dec 31 16:00:39 <Khertan> today i understand than when i made a maemo application it twice the time to made the ui than everythings else
Dec 31 16:01:00 <woglinde> Flandry maemo only has debhelper 5 not 7
Dec 31 16:01:24 <lardman|n140> Khertan: ain't that the truth, me looks fondly back to the days of dsp programming
Dec 31 16:01:33 <Flandry> it worked in scratchbox
Dec 31 16:01:41 <thopiekar_n800> is it possible to use maemo mapper on normal computer?
Dec 31 16:01:42 <Flandry> i think that has the same version
Dec 31 16:01:54 <Khertan> for example it takes me less time to do the sync in mtodos and the server side than puting color and some preferences button on the ui
Dec 31 16:03:19 * lardman|n140 gives up on finding a bluetooth compass :(
Dec 31 16:03:35 <lardman|n140> was quite looking forward to some augemented reality
Dec 31 16:04:07 <Flandry> maybe the unsigned flag was messing with it
Dec 31 16:04:11 <Flandry> will see in a moment
Dec 31 16:04:31 <Flandry> nope
Dec 31 16:04:36 <Flandry> it's just broken
Dec 31 16:10:46 <Flandry> Anyone successfully build something on autobuilder recently?
Dec 31 16:11:52 <RST38h> http://gizmodo.com/5437720/guy-turns-dell-netbook-into-10+inch-android-mini-3i-phone?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gizmodo%2Ffull+%28Gizmodo%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
Dec 31 16:12:15 <niekt0> hm, ad https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7141  do someone know key to add?
Dec 31 16:12:17 <povbot`> Bug 7141: Fremantle Tools repository not properly signed
Dec 31 16:12:48 <woglinde> ~user borealid
Dec 31 16:12:53 <woglinde> hm okay
Dec 31 16:14:48 <zs> hi, which version of firmware should I use: UK variant or Global? (I am from UK) What's the difference?
Dec 31 16:14:53 <Flandry> https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/prboom_2.5.0-svn20091231-0maemo0/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt
Dec 31 16:16:33 <Flandry> sorry zs, no idea
Dec 31 16:16:48 <Flandry> there was some discussion of it on  talk though
Dec 31 16:16:48 <bilboed-tp> RST38h, lol, brings you back 20 years with the good old brick-sized nokia phones :)
Dec 31 16:16:54 <Flandry> you might search there
Dec 31 16:17:08 <woglinde> some one uploaded debconf
Dec 31 16:17:34 <woglinde> and the autobuilder didnt stop it
Dec 31 16:18:11 <Flandry> you mean a newer version than it supports?
Dec 31 16:18:13 <lardman|n140> did anyone work out whether usb host mode is actually somehow possible on the n900?
Dec 31 16:18:37 <Flandry> not that i've read
Dec 31 16:18:46 <woglinde> lardman beagleboard can do it so n900 should do it too
Dec 31 16:19:05 <lardman|n140> it was disabled due to the usb charging
Dec 31 16:19:15 <lardman|n140> just wondering what form the disabling takes
Dec 31 16:19:24 * lardman|n140 is still thinking about compasses
Dec 31 16:20:05 <Flandry> what direction?
Dec 31 16:20:13 <lardman|n140> ?
Dec 31 16:20:19 <moo-_-> lardman|n140: goes down to hardware... at least someone mentioned so
Dec 31 16:20:26 <Flandry> are you going with it
Dec 31 16:20:33 <lardman|n140> moo-_-: ok, I feared as much
Dec 31 16:20:53 <lardman|n140> Flandry: well I'm just wondering how to get a compass readout, somehow
Dec 31 16:21:01 <moo-_-> lardman|n140: bluetooth
Dec 31 16:21:02 <Flandry> moo: i read that and then later i mentioned it and people told me i was imagining it
Dec 31 16:21:33 <Flandry> you mean a heading based on GPS?
Dec 31 16:21:50 <lardman|n140> moo-_-: there used to be some gpses with compass, but I certainly can't find any bt compasses using google
Dec 31 16:22:05 <lardman|n140> Flandry: no, static direction
Dec 31 16:22:21 <Flandry> i didn't know that was done
Dec 31 16:22:27 <moo-_-> lardman|n140: bt gps
Dec 31 16:22:43 <moo-_-> lardman|n140: or even another phone with compass...
Dec 31 16:22:45 <lardman|n140> moo-_-: there was one which had a compass, not avaiulable any longer
Dec 31 16:23:05 <lardman|n140> moo-_-: in that case I may as well just work on the other phone though
Dec 31 16:23:06 <Flandry> who's the deb-meister now?
Dec 31 16:23:09 <lardman|n140> plus expensive
Dec 31 16:23:17 <lardman|n140> Flandry: jeremiah_
Dec 31 16:23:19 <Flandry> i should probably report that his builder is broke :P
Dec 31 16:23:24 <jeremiah_> Flandry: Yeah
Dec 31 16:23:26 <jeremiah_> We know
Dec 31 16:23:31 <jeremiah_> I mentioned it to Niels
Dec 31 16:23:31 <Flandry> oh ok
Dec 31 16:23:37 <jeremiah_> But he is in Vacation mode. :)
Dec 31 16:24:13 <Flandry> ah
Dec 31 16:24:35 <Flandry> maybe we need an autobuilder-status page
Dec 31 16:27:25 <niekt0> lardman> I tried to make microusb-AB cable from microusb-B, but didn't help
Dec 31 16:28:16 <fnordianslip> has anyone used Nokia MultiMedia Sync on a Mac to sync their iTunes library?  Its been running for about 30 mins using 100% CPU (on 1 core) and Nokia Device Browser says "Preparing iTunes Transfers".  Is it hung, or do I need to be much more patient?  I expect the actual sync to take a couple of hours, as it did when I used Sailing Media Sync.  I have about 20GB of tunes to transfer.
Dec 31 16:28:51 <bilboed-tp> 20Gb would take some time
Dec 31 16:29:10 <fnordianslip> Even in the preparing stage?
Dec 31 16:29:32 <bilboed-tp> no, just meant the actual transfer time
Dec 31 16:29:35 <bilboed-tp> don't have a mac
Dec 31 16:29:41 <bilboed-tp> (I just copy the files over)
Dec 31 16:29:43 <fnordianslip> the disk usage on the device hasn;t increased in 30 mins
Dec 31 16:30:19 <bilboed-tp> have you considered just... copying the files ? :)
Dec 31 16:30:52 <fnordianslip> Yes.  No way :)  I need incremental syncs with a 20GB library, and to sync playlists too :)
Dec 31 16:31:27 <bilboed-tp> blame Nokia for not having put MTP support
Dec 31 16:31:29 <fnordianslip> Sailing Media Sync works ok, but screws up playlist m3u files
Dec 31 16:32:43 <fnordianslip> and Nokia MultiMedia Sync uses PC Suite mode when connecting, rather than having the host mount the filesystems directly, so I don't really know what is going on under the hood
Dec 31 16:32:56 <cosmo_> anyone from san francisco awake yet?
Dec 31 16:33:01 <pupnik_> n900 left on overnight with wifi and ssh after 12 hours : 79% charge left
Dec 31 16:33:44 <Caesium> your ssh was still alive? my ssh to n900 seems to drop after a few minutes of inactivity
Dec 31 16:33:50 <Caesium> not sure if tehre's some power saving I've missed
Dec 31 16:34:30 <pupnik_> could be related to your wlan AP device
Dec 31 16:39:32 <Flandry> 79% after 12 hours of wan?
Dec 31 16:39:50 <Flandry> wish mine could do that :P
Dec 31 16:39:51 <lardman> niekt0: ok, thanks
Dec 31 16:40:18 <lardman> niekt0: did you insmod the host modules too?
Dec 31 16:42:26 <ShadowJK> ssh stays active for me for as long as I'm within wlan range
Dec 31 16:42:40 <Flandry> mine too
Dec 31 16:42:49 <ShadowJK> sometimes survives even if I wander outside wlan range for a few minutes
Dec 31 16:46:07 <pupnik_> Flandry: i didn't leave uqm running ;)
Dec 31 16:46:22 <Flandry> ha :P
Dec 31 16:47:09 <pupnik_> I don't know any other game that has a dynamic plot like Star Control II - one that works.
Dec 31 16:47:30 <pupnik_> It really is a work of genius/art.
Dec 31 16:48:07 <pupnik_> You know what they did to finish it, don't you?
Dec 31 16:48:23 <RST38h> mmm
Dec 31 16:48:30 <RST38h> how about zangband?
Dec 31 16:49:11 <dnaumov> On the initial charge to full, my N900 lasted about 26 hours. After I let it completely go down to 0 and the then recharge... its now been going for 36 hours and its at over 75% battery :)
Dec 31 16:50:14 <RST38h> no way
Dec 31 16:51:45 <ShadowJK> dnaumov, was that 26 hours to first battery low warning?
Dec 31 16:51:49 <ShadowJK> or until it shut down?
Dec 31 16:52:41 <dnaumov> Shadikka: 3rd battery low warning I think
Dec 31 16:52:51 <Shadikka> I presume tabfail.
Dec 31 16:52:57 <woglinde> moo
Dec 31 16:53:04 <ShadowJK> ah
Dec 31 16:53:07 <dnaumov> Shadikka correct
Dec 31 16:53:10 <lardman> hmm, gst-dmtx kills framerate to 0
Dec 31 16:53:18 <woglinde> lardman lol
Dec 31 16:53:25 <ShadowJK> battery meter must've recalibrated itself when it went completely down then
Dec 31 16:53:57 <RST38h> By The Way
Dec 31 16:54:08 <lcuk> battery low warning is a misnomer, its actually "at the current power draw, your battery will expire soon"  change the usage pattern at that point and you can actually stop it moaning at you :D
Dec 31 16:54:17 <RST38h> If someone tells me where XChat stores default settings in its source code, you will get a NY release of XChat =)
Dec 31 16:54:33 <RST38h> lcuk: Especially if you turn the phone off, yes
Dec 31 16:54:47 <lcuk> RST38h, i think people just want the settings savable without crashing
Dec 31 16:54:52 <lcuk> heh rst yeah
Dec 31 16:55:01 <lcuk> in amsterdam i sat down in a cafe
Dec 31 16:55:07 <lcuk> and my phone binged low battery
Dec 31 16:55:18 <lcuk> i started writing with the intent of staying till battery went flat
Dec 31 16:55:28 <lcuk> it carried on working for hours and stopped moaning at me
Dec 31 16:55:35 * lcuk loves the optimizations in liqbase :)
Dec 31 16:56:06 <Caesium> lcuk: were you not worried about the possibility ofnot being able to recharge it?
Dec 31 16:56:17 <Caesium> sure I read somewhere that the OS has to be booted for the battery to charge, and the battery needs some charge for the OS to boot ;)
Dec 31 16:56:31 <woglinde> optimizations?
Dec 31 16:56:40 <lcuk> Caesium, no
Dec 31 16:56:56 <Caesium> I've been a bit paranoid about it since I read it
Dec 31 16:57:03 <lcuk> my batteries routine get left till they die
Dec 31 16:57:16 <lcuk> routinely, i am never near a charger when they go
Dec 31 16:57:39 <lcuk> woglinde, liqbase sketching screen does as little as possible
Dec 31 16:58:01 <lcuk> and i dont run other stuff usually
Dec 31 16:58:47 <lardman> Caesium, lcuk: no, that is true actually, the kernel needs to start
Dec 31 16:59:04 <RST38h> lcuk: Ah, trust me, people want settings I am going to include ;)
Dec 31 16:59:15 <lardman> if you let it run flat, then leave it for a year, you're in trouble
Dec 31 16:59:28 <lcuk> lardman, ok then, the battery has never died enough to make it not start
Dec 31 16:59:43 <lardman> yep
Dec 31 16:59:44 <lcuk> the nokia battery code must shut it down carefully enough
Dec 31 17:00:05 <lardman> it doesn't need much power to start the kernel up, even if it will then not let the rest of the device startup
Dec 31 17:00:17 <caotic> is there an irc client for the n900 ( other than pidgin ) cant find xchat on the default included repositories
Dec 31 17:00:32 <woglinde> rst is working an xchat
Dec 31 17:00:37 <woglinde> and qwerty
Dec 31 17:00:44 <jX> caotic: Turn on extras-devel
Dec 31 17:00:55 <Xisdibik> jX: id give a warning before saying that
Dec 31 17:01:12 <jX> caotic: WARNING turn on extras-devel
Dec 31 17:01:17 <Caesium> :)
Dec 31 17:01:20 <Xisdibik> state the warning too :P
Dec 31 17:01:26 <caotic> ha !
Dec 31 17:01:33 <lcuk> caotic, WARNING: DO NOT EAT THE YELLOW SNOW.      turn on extras-devel
Dec 31 17:01:37 <Xisdibik> thats better
Dec 31 17:01:52 <caotic> I'll try to remember that lcuk
Dec 31 17:02:01 <Xisdibik> lcuk, what about brown snow?
Dec 31 17:02:16 <jX> WARNING: IF ERECTION LASTS FOR MORE THAN FOUR HOURS CONTACT A DOCTOR turn on extras-devel for xchat then disable it.
Dec 31 17:02:21 <lcuk> you make your own path
Dec 31 17:02:23 <Flandry> lol
Dec 31 17:02:47 <lcuk> WARNING: DO NOT LOOK INTO LASER WITH REMAINING EYE.  xchat is in extras-devel
Dec 31 17:02:50 <Flandry> extras-devel killed my father
Dec 31 17:03:32 <fnordianslip> lcuk: ^ the best warning ever, lol
Dec 31 17:03:36 <jX> extras-devel gave me a new thick head of hair!
Dec 31 17:03:58 <lcuk> lardman|n140, whats this n140 business
Dec 31 17:04:05 <lardman|n140> samsung
Dec 31 17:04:08 <caotic> how do you turn on extras-devel I only have a "Maemo Extra".
Dec 31 17:04:20 <caotic> And it is already turned on
Dec 31 17:04:24 <lcuk> you got a laptop
Dec 31 17:04:30 <lardman|n140> netbook
Dec 31 17:04:31 <Caesium> http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-devel :)
Dec 31 17:04:52 <caotic> Caesium: does n900 has apt-get ?
Dec 31 17:04:55 <Caesium> yep
Dec 31 17:05:02 <caotic> Ahh I see
Dec 31 17:05:30 <Xisdibik> lardman|n140, how you liking it, i have the first samsungnetbook, the NC10
Dec 31 17:05:47 <lcuk> caotic, Do not try to install the extras-devel � that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth: there is no extras-devel.
Dec 31 17:06:07 * Xisdibik watches lcuk bend a n900 around with his mind
Dec 31 17:06:11 <lardman|n140> Xisdibik: does the job, battery life is good, kb is not too small, etc
Dec 31 17:06:19 <Xisdibik> so you like it?
Dec 31 17:06:25 <lcuk> Xisdibik, if you saw some of the code im writing you would reconsider that ;)
Dec 31 17:06:34 <lcuk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q
Dec 31 17:06:35 <lardman|n140> I prefer a desktop with 3 monitors
Dec 31 17:06:45 <lardman|n140> but yes, it's good for the job it's designed for
Dec 31 17:06:49 <niekt0> 0% [Connecting to repository.maemo.org (78.128.147.32)]^C
Dec 31 17:06:49 <lcuk> lardman im thinking of getting a 10" touchscreen
Dec 31 17:06:50 <RST38h> Gentlemen, does MyDocs/Downloads exist on every device?
Dec 31 17:06:53 <niekt0> wtf?;)
Dec 31 17:07:16 <Caesium> RST38h: not on my N900 (yet)
Dec 31 17:07:31 <Xisdibik> lcuk, seen that ^^
Dec 31 17:07:32 <Caesium> I haven't attempted to download anything to it through the web browser or anything though. Perhaps it'll get autocreated.
Dec 31 17:07:38 <caotic> lardman|n140: dont you hate when you drop your 3 monitor desktop when you take it out of your pocket. That happends to me everytime
Dec 31 17:07:51 <RST38h> Ah ok, Torrent client makes it
Dec 31 17:07:53 <Xisdibik> lardman, did yours come with Win XP or 7?
Dec 31 17:08:10 <lardman|n140> win7
Dec 31 17:08:34 <lcuk> Xisdibik, well im playing with making that moar useful :)
Dec 31 17:08:45 <lardman|n140> Might install XP on it mind you, Win 7 doens't do much for me
Dec 31 17:08:49 * lcuk will hopefully do what i aimed to do 12months ago
Dec 31 17:08:57 <lardman|n140> but it came with a larger hdd for only �30 more
Dec 31 17:11:09 <Xisdibik> lardman|n140, mine was 160, though ive since installed a 640GB hdd in it
Dec 31 17:11:45 <lardman|n140> yeah, this is 250GB
Dec 31 17:11:53 <lardman|n140> did an immediate RAM upgrade
Dec 31 17:12:01 <lardman|n140> 1 -> 2GB
Dec 31 17:13:32 <woglinde> lardman do you have a link for it?
Dec 31 17:15:06 <lardman|n140> upgrade?
Dec 31 17:15:16 <lardman|n140> went to crucial and took their recommendation
Dec 31 17:15:30 <lardman|n140> which happened to agree with the forum posts ;)
Dec 31 17:20:17 <RST38h> Ok, another important question:
Dec 31 17:20:23 <RST38h> Does everyone have MHeiGB18030C-Medium font???
Dec 31 17:21:16 <woglinde> aeh?
Dec 31 17:21:19 <woglinde> lc-conf
Dec 31 17:21:24 <woglinde> should list the ttf fonts
Dec 31 17:21:59 <woglinde> args fc-list
Dec 31 17:22:01 <woglinde> it was
Dec 31 17:22:04 * RST38h is going to make this font the default for XChat
Dec 31 17:22:15 <woglinde> MHeiGB18030C\-Medium:style=Regular
Dec 31 17:22:23 <RST38h> It lets you fit more characters into a line, stays very readable
Dec 31 17:23:07 <SpeedEvil> the nokia bold one is the one I'm using
Dec 31 17:23:15 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: are you the xchat packager?
Dec 31 17:23:39 <woglinde> speedevil he fixes some stuff
Dec 31 17:23:53 <woglinde> qwerty started if got it correct
Dec 31 17:24:41 <lardman|n140> balls
Dec 31 17:24:57 <lardman|n140> not in reply to woglinde's comment
Dec 31 17:25:06 <lardman|n140> just a general statement about gst-dmtx
Dec 31 17:26:10 <lardman|n140> hmm, /me wonders how on Earth to get it to work in realtime
Dec 31 17:26:13 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: I prefer the nokia smiley bold
Dec 31 17:28:06 <jebba> gar, anyone here got mer workign on n900? I got most going except touchscreen  (i am calibrating it, but after that, no touch). Some notes here:  http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Mer   Stskeeps was helpful in #mer for awhile then family arrived i think  ;)
Dec 31 17:28:22 <RST38h> Speed: I also tried it
Dec 31 17:28:30 <RST38h> Speed: It is fine but there is one problem with it
Dec 31 17:28:45 <RST38h> Speed: If somebody decides to send a message in bold to the channel, you will not see it
Dec 31 17:28:53 <RST38h> The MHeig font fixes that
Dec 31 17:31:07 <woglinde> I have font problems with navit
Dec 31 17:31:49 <n900evil> rst: can't
Dec 31 17:32:06 <Corsac> pff, sometimes I really hate modest ><
Dec 31 17:32:08 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: can't you reverse or something?
Dec 31 17:32:20 <Corsac> hopefully the update won't be too long to arrive
Dec 31 17:32:26 * SpeedEvil turns color off.
Dec 31 17:32:32 <PBeck> hi
Dec 31 17:32:44 <Corsac> I can't even select my INBOX ><
Dec 31 17:33:44 <RST38h> jn900: ?
Dec 31 17:34:06 <RST38h> Speed: No, I am only fixing crashes and adjusting config
Dec 31 17:34:11 <PBeck> i have to reflash my n900 - what is the difference between the images => global, uk, middle east ... and so on?
Dec 31 17:35:53 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: k
Dec 31 17:36:04 <RST38h> Should I make XChat joing #maemo by default? ;)))
Dec 31 17:36:17 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: #Ihazn900
Dec 31 17:36:57 <RST38h> #n900bies? =)
Dec 31 17:37:19 <pupnik_> We should have a 'share photo' plugin for ftp upload
Dec 31 17:39:24 <RST38h> should have one for picasa
Dec 31 17:39:44 <PBeck> i think that global should be the right for germany
Dec 31 17:39:59 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: some way to bind nick completion to a more convenient key?
Dec 31 17:40:02 <PBeck> but i dont know the differences between the images
Dec 31 17:40:12 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: can it do it on : ?
Dec 31 17:40:29 <RST38h> Speed: Yea, that should be doable, but I need my ? :)
Dec 31 17:40:54 * RST38h is going to build this version first, upload it, then watch users' reaction
Dec 31 17:41:07 <woglinde> rst build is broken
Dec 31 17:41:09 <RST38h> Anyone needs exit confirmation in XChat? Or should I turn it off?
Dec 31 17:41:14 <woglinde> because of the debconf upload
Dec 31 17:41:18 <RST38h> woglinde: Autobuilder you mean?
Dec 31 17:41:24 <woglinde> jupp
Dec 31 17:41:26 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: I'd like to shrink the height of the input window too.
Dec 31 17:41:34 <woglinde> ah right you can use dput
Dec 31 17:41:41 <dmj7261> lardman: how goes mbarcode development?
Dec 31 17:41:46 <RST38h> woglinde: I can upload a binary package to non-free for now
Dec 31 17:42:04 <RST38h> woglinde: X-Fade will kework it once the source package becomes available
Dec 31 17:43:24 <RST38h> Speed: Can't shrink input widget height. Can't control its colors either :(((
Dec 31 17:43:31 <RST38h> Speed: Nokia broke GTK+ badly
Dec 31 17:43:41 <SpeedEvil> ah
Dec 31 17:43:50 <RST38h> Speed: Right now, I have done the following:
Dec 31 17:44:14 <RST38h> Speed: 1) Used that MHeig font 2) Set background colro to black, adjusted ANSI black to dark gray
Dec 31 17:44:57 <SpeedEvil> If you can set the prefs without crashing - I suspect any of those settings don't matter much
Dec 31 17:45:03 <RST38h> Speed: 3) moved userlist to the left and closed it for now (you can reopen it by dragging the tab) 4) switched channel list to a line of small tabs at the bottom
Dec 31 17:45:13 <RST38h> Speed: I want the defaults to be reasonable
Dec 31 17:45:30 <RST38h> Speed: 5) Changed DCC Downlaods dir to Downloads, where Transmission drops files
Dec 31 17:45:48 <SpeedEvil> I've lost the userlist, and put tabs on left.
Dec 31 17:45:59 <SpeedEvil> With tree mode set
Dec 31 17:46:06 <SpeedEvil> which has smaller fonts
Dec 31 17:47:28 <SpeedEvil> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4231783360/
Dec 31 17:47:30 <SpeedEvil> like that
Dec 31 17:49:54 <RST38h> Speed: There is a better layout than that
Dec 31 17:50:19 <RST38h> Speed: BTW, I turned nickname tabulation off: some #maemo regulars have awfully long nicks :)
Dec 31 17:50:30 <SpeedEvil> yeah - I did that as well
Dec 31 17:50:35 <RST38h> Ah, BTW, no title line?
Dec 31 17:50:37 <SpeedEvil> I forgot it when I reflashed th9ough
Dec 31 17:50:40 <SpeedEvil> no
Dec 31 17:50:51 <RST38h> Sure about it?
Dec 31 17:50:59 <SpeedEvil> I have no need for it.
Dec 31 17:51:04 <SpeedEvil> I can see others may want it.
Dec 31 17:51:09 <RST38h> ok, leaving it
Dec 31 17:51:24 <RST38h> hint: move channel list to the bottom, use "small" tabs option
Dec 31 17:51:39 <RST38h> it saves horizontal space and lets you quickly flick through channels with a finger
Dec 31 17:52:25 <flux> is there a memopad shared-in-realtime-over-network -type program for maemo around?
Dec 31 17:52:40 <SpeedEvil> In most channels - with tabulation off - the line length is usually shorter than one complete line.
Dec 31 17:52:52 <SpeedEvil> meaning that space on the bottom loses more than on the left
Dec 31 17:53:58 <lardman> anyone interested in hacking at a Google Latitude update applet?: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=448177#post448177
Dec 31 17:54:33 <RST38h> Speed: the bottom space loss is actually tiny
Dec 31 17:54:54 <RST38h> Speed: because it only needs to show 1 line of text in tiny font
Dec 31 17:55:23 <RST38h> lardman: Arkenoi is a huge fan of Latitude
Dec 31 17:55:45 <RST38h> lardman: But he is a lazy mo#$%er, so you will have to bug him a lot ;)
Dec 31 17:55:59 <lardman> me too, hence my posting my half finished code ;)
Dec 31 17:56:11 <lardman> Arkenoi: consider yourself bugged ;)
Dec 31 17:56:38 <lardman> hmm, good to see the autobuilder has finally built (and failed on) gst-zbar
Dec 31 17:56:39 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: I take it not doing any kinetic scrolly, just prefs and tuff.
Dec 31 17:56:42 <lardman> and it's broken
Dec 31 17:57:48 <RST38h> Speed: I suspect kinetic scrolling is achieavable but would like to start small
Dec 31 18:00:30 <n900evil> :)
Dec 31 18:02:02 <n900evil> thankwoman
Dec 31 18:02:07 <n900evil> eerre
Dec 31 18:02:29 <n900evil> htf is that in the dict.
Dec 31 18:08:52 <GAN900> Is Maemo-Freaks stupid or just malicious?
Dec 31 18:13:25 <fnordianslip> they are exclusive?
Dec 31 18:14:21 <RST38h> GAN900: stupid.
Dec 31 18:14:29 <RST38h> haven't you gotten used to it yet?
Dec 31 18:16:02 <RST38h> "TSA special agents have served subpoenas to travel bloggers Steve Frischling and Chris Elliott demanding that they reveal who leaked a TSA directive outlining new screening measures"
Dec 31 18:17:09 <RST38h> BTW, why would a special agent of a non-judicial agency be serving subpoenas?
Dec 31 18:18:18 <RST38h> Stskeeps: BTW, SmartQ just released an android-based V5
Dec 31 18:20:19 <GAN900> Recommending both Extrad-devel and Red Pill to end users.
Dec 31 18:20:27 <Milo-> is there optified package of Qt4 and its components?
Dec 31 18:21:15 <|R> Anyone tried Empathy with the N900 ?
Dec 31 18:21:18 <|R> (for video chat that is)
Dec 31 18:23:55 <Milo-> and why does the phone automatically run apt-get update each time you connect?
Dec 31 18:24:12 <Milo-> and where can I disable that?
Dec 31 18:25:35 <|R> you could disable all the catalogs
Dec 31 18:28:49 <RST38h> GAN: Well, think of it as of natural selection
Dec 31 18:31:51 <javispedro> ohmy
Dec 31 18:32:05 <wolf^> GAN900, so what?
Dec 31 18:32:13 <GAN900> Anybody got callerid passthrough working with NTg HFP?
Dec 31 18:32:27 <wolf^> GAN900, if you want to prevent people from hurting themselves, sell them iphones
Dec 31 18:32:31 <fnordianslip> Natural selection would work very well if they were stupid and taste good.
Dec 31 18:32:34 <GAN900> s/NTg/Bluetooth/
Dec 31 18:32:34 <infobot> GAN900 meant: Anybody got callerid passthrough working with Bluetooth HFP?
Dec 31 18:32:53 <GAN900> wolf^, I might've bought that with N8x0 and lower
Dec 31 18:33:09 <GAN900> wolf^, but the N900 is positioned for a different market. :)
Dec 31 18:33:23 <wolf^> step 4 of 5? ;)
Dec 31 18:34:49 <wolf^> it would be nice though, to be able to start kernel with init=/bin/sh
Dec 31 18:35:00 <GAN900> wolf^, it's being marketed to mainstream users.
Dec 31 18:35:50 <wolf^> GAN900, true mainstream doesn't even know the phone can have extra applications
Dec 31 18:36:10 <GAN900> wolf^, psh.
Dec 31 18:36:12 <lardman|n140> onion: did you write the gst-dmtx wrapper or was that another onion?
Dec 31 18:36:13 <jayford> GAN900, (hi), think its not mainstream enough, if the only way to edit the menu is by editing a config file then mainstream users aren't the audience
Dec 31 18:36:18 <wolf^> that's what I reckon from looking at non-technical people using symbian phones
Dec 31 18:36:23 <GAN900> wolf^, Ovi and Maemo Select are right on the desktop.
Dec 31 18:36:42 <GAN900> jayford, er, which menu?
Dec 31 18:36:53 <jayford> the main menu
Dec 31 18:37:27 <wolf^> GAN900, people that have no clue probably will not use anything else than that to install applications
Dec 31 18:38:08 <jayford> I agree, if advanced users can do much more with the device then its not mainstream
Dec 31 18:38:16 <GAN900> wolf^, except the people with no clue and too much time on their hands are the ones I worry about.
Dec 31 18:38:30 <GAN900> jayford, er, OK.
Dec 31 18:38:35 <wolf^> I can't see typical person that doesn't quite know what's maemo to be going to maemo-freak and reading about red pill mode
Dec 31 18:39:07 <wolf^> GAN900, well, you know, gainroot is in extras (or extras-testing)
Dec 31 18:39:21 <GAN900> wolf^, this is really outside the scope of the issue.
Dec 31 18:39:22 <RST38h> Ok, the new XChat uploaded to Extras-Devel non-free
Dec 31 18:39:25 <wolf^> if someone has too much time, what prevents him from doing rm -rf /?
Dec 31 18:39:37 <RST38h> Coming to "free" as soon as Maemo.org fixes its autobuilder.
Dec 31 18:39:47 <GAN900> It's a lot more difficult and a lot more obviously dangerous
Dec 31 18:40:26 <GAN900> wolf^, Red Pill and Extras-devel can offer you a flashing statusbar icon that'll help you update your way right into a reboot loop. :)
Dec 31 18:40:50 <Milo-> |R yes I could disable all catalogs, but that's not the point
Dec 31 18:41:05 <Milo-> I don't see why it should run apt-get update when I start browsing
Dec 31 18:41:10 <GAN900> Removing important safety systems and pointing users at the minefield for no other purpose than because "it's cool" is a good way to get people hurt.
Dec 31 18:41:46 <Milo-> anyone know how to disable apt-get update when network connection is established?
Dec 31 18:45:35 <jayford> Milo-, I don't have a clue, but does it do that with 3G connections too? :X
Dec 31 18:45:47 <Milo-> I only use 3G connections
Dec 31 18:45:57 <GAN900> Milo-, connect more than once every 24 hours?
Dec 31 18:46:06 <Milo-> GAN900 yes
Dec 31 18:46:10 <jayford> how much bandwith does it take each time?
Dec 31 18:46:19 <Milo-> bandwidth doesn't matter
Dec 31 18:46:49 <jayford> wondering for me, think it might kill my bill. ask in the forums
Dec 31 18:47:23 <Milo-> I'll grep through /etc first
Dec 31 18:48:01 <lcuk> Milo-, ummm doesnt apt-get update need a network connection?
Dec 31 18:48:19 <lcuk> or do you mean pecifically when a mobile connection is in use
Dec 31 18:48:22 <lcuk> s
Dec 31 18:48:30 <Milo-> lcuk apt-get update needs network connection, yes
Dec 31 18:48:41 <Milo-> but when network connection is established, it runs apt-get update every single time
Dec 31 18:48:58 <Milo-> I don't want apt-get update to be executed every time I open up a browser
Dec 31 18:49:15 <lcuk> thats understandable
Dec 31 18:49:39 <jayford> do you see it running? or is it slowing you down or? are you even feeling it?
Dec 31 18:50:08 <lcuk> its a network cost isnt it on 3g
Dec 31 18:50:14 <Milo-> few times I have opened my terminal and have tried to search something using apt
Dec 31 18:50:22 <Milo-> and it's always locked when you have just started the network connection
Dec 31 18:50:28 <Milo-> since it's running apt-get update
Dec 31 18:50:38 <lcuk> i gather its doing it for the ssu and for checking updates
Dec 31 18:51:02 <lcuk> me didnt know how it did the update stuff
Dec 31 18:51:08 <lcuk> +//
Dec 31 18:51:21 <Milo-> and it's very easily noticable when you start the package manager (gui)
Dec 31 18:51:46 <Milo-> because when you connect, it takes AGES to open up
Dec 31 18:51:55 <Milo-> since it first updates everything
Dec 31 18:52:06 <Milo-> I don't think it should update more than once a day to be honest
Dec 31 18:52:22 <Milo-> if you need to update it more often, do it manually
Dec 31 18:52:58 <jayford> Milo-, if you find the solution please say/post it/wiki it I'm sure others would want to know
Dec 31 18:54:31 <mikhas> file a bug then, "apt updates too often" and wait for feedback, no?
Dec 31 18:54:48 <Milo-> I'll ask on forums if someone would know
Dec 31 18:55:01 <mikhas> I agree that more than once a day is probably useless
Dec 31 18:55:18 <Milo-> of course, maemo.org needs to load first :P
Dec 31 18:55:44 <mikhas> well, can you somehow log that apt-get update runs the way you described it?
Dec 31 18:55:54 <Shapeshifter> uhm, when searching a thread, how do I go to the next page of search results? :|
Dec 31 18:55:57 <Shapeshifter> http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=6046492
Dec 31 18:56:03 <Shapeshifter> oh wait
Dec 31 18:56:05 <mikhas> that would be good enough for a bug report already, no need to wait for t.m.o =)
Dec 31 18:56:06 <Shapeshifter> there's no next page.
Dec 31 18:56:08 <Shapeshifter> nevermind.
Dec 31 18:56:10 <Shapeshifter> xD
Dec 31 18:56:26 <wnd> apt* update shouldn't prevent you from running apt-cache
Dec 31 18:57:04 <Milo-> wnd but if it is regenerating the package list, it isn't reliable source either.
Dec 31 18:59:14 <Milo-> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30997
Dec 31 18:59:24 <Milo-> the thread creator is nice
Dec 31 18:59:28 <Milo-> it searches for you :)
Dec 31 19:00:57 <lcuk> benson wins that thread
Dec 31 19:01:03 <Milo-> yes
Dec 31 19:04:36 <wnd> as far as I can see apt-cache doesn't even check for lock. also, strace says aptitude replaces old lists with rename(), effectively making the whole process atomic.
Dec 31 19:04:55 <wnd> I suspect apt-get does the same
Dec 31 19:06:59 <lardman|n140> happy new year everyone, cu later :)
Dec 31 19:07:54 <Milo-> heh, application manager loads much quicker now, except now it wants to check for updates every single time you open the 'download'  section
Dec 31 19:08:05 <Milo-> even though if you go back and forth with it
Dec 31 19:08:14 <Milo-> guess I can manually stop the update :)
Dec 31 19:08:15 <RST38h> what do you mean by "now"?
Dec 31 19:09:16 <Milo-> it did that before?
Dec 31 19:09:55 <Milo-> no it definitely didn't run the update command everytime you went backwards from sub-category
Dec 31 19:10:57 <RST38h> YEAAAH! Xchat is in the extras-devel now!
Dec 31 19:11:17 <RST38h> Could all interested parties please download and test it? Make sure your delete your current ~/.xchat2 dir
Dec 31 19:14:00 <Milo-> are libqt4-maemo5-* packages optified?
Dec 31 19:15:18 <wolf^> Milo-, yes
Dec 31 19:15:22 <Milo-> ok :)
Dec 31 19:16:21 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: clicked update in app-manager
Dec 31 19:25:28 <RST38h> ahha, they are coming!
Dec 31 19:25:34 <user_> sddfrrrkkrif
Dec 31 19:27:40 <Milo-> yet another un-optified package from dev :(
Dec 31 19:30:32 <AndrewBlack> anyone tried IRC addon for Maemo Built in messanger?
Dec 31 19:30:46 <RST38h> I did
Dec 31 19:30:50 <RST38h> It works for /msgs
Dec 31 19:31:02 <RST38h> Develops some problems connecting after a while
Dec 31 19:31:17 <AndrewBlack> does person on real client have to start the message?
Dec 31 19:34:00 <RST38h> yep
Dec 31 19:34:11 <RST38h> wait, no, actually, you can start sending messages from the plugin
Dec 31 19:34:16 <RST38h> There are suggestions now that one solution to detect passengers with underwear bombs might be bomb sniffing dogs. Will the crotch sniffing dog become a (dreaded) fixture at airports? And can dogs be trained to go gentle when they eagerly plow their noses into crotch content evaluation chores?
Dec 31 19:34:34 <RST38h> How adorable...
Dec 31 19:45:42 <lcuk> RST38h, depending on the subject the results could be quite informative to the rest of the ummmm security community, hope they keep the videos.
Dec 31 19:47:39 <Milo-> why don't they just hire attractive people to go through everyone's 'privates'?
Dec 31 19:47:58 <Milo-> the checked people wouldn't mind the safety checks then
Dec 31 19:48:15 <LuciusMare> ohai
Dec 31 19:48:58 <fnordianslip> if they use 73 virgins, the terrists will think they have died and gone on to the afterlife
Dec 31 19:48:59 <LuciusMare> my n900 has my home wifi stored in its memory,but the AP is hidden - so it shows only as a hidden network,not "home-wifi". How do i manually check what wifi to try?
Dec 31 19:49:20 <Milo-> fnordianslip I thought it was 72
Dec 31 19:49:34 <fnordianslip> one might not be a virgin
Dec 31 19:49:38 <fnordianslip> perhaps
Dec 31 19:49:40 <lcuk> LuciusMare, eh the question doesnt make sense
Dec 31 19:49:45 <Milo-> unless you count the terrorist to be virgin as well
Dec 31 19:50:04 <fnordianslip> well, they're usually engineers, so that is quite likely
Dec 31 19:50:32 <lcuk> be careful what you wish for, there are a lot of virgins out there
Dec 31 19:51:00 <fnordianslip> the definition of a virgin in Norfolk - a girl who can run faster than her dad :)
Dec 31 19:51:26 <LuciusMare> my n900 has my home wifi stored in its memory,but the AP is hidden - so it shows only as a hidden network,not "home-wifi". How do i manually tell the phone what wifi AP to try?
Dec 31 19:51:56 <Bluewind> LuciusMare: asking the same thing 2 mins later won't help btw
Dec 31 19:52:24 <LuciusMare> i tried to make it more sense
Dec 31 19:52:26 <LuciusMare> i understand it :)
Dec 31 19:52:34 <tekonivelm> Should gnomevfs-copy work over bluetooth? I haven't succeeded
Dec 31 19:53:07 <Bluewind> hm to me it looks like the same line but ok
Dec 31 19:53:12 <lcuk> LuciusMare, on mine it just connects to one of the configured aps
Dec 31 19:53:28 <LuciusMare> lcuk: yes,but i can't,because even if it is configured,it does not show in the menu.
Dec 31 19:53:40 <lcuk> i just looked round to see if there is a priority list
Dec 31 19:53:44 * lcuk failed
Dec 31 19:53:53 <lcuk> but i did find my 10ma 100ma switch
Dec 31 19:55:21 <tekonivelm> I should propably have something more in /usr/lib/gnomevfs/modules or whatever
Dec 31 20:02:56 <RST38h> lcuk: I am all expecting the first "police dog bites off passenger's penis" video on Youtube
Dec 31 20:04:21 <Milo-> with before and after photoes?
Dec 31 20:04:27 <Milo-> photos*
Dec 31 20:04:27 <tlir> lo everyone
Dec 31 20:04:55 <RST38h> TSA obviously films all this stuff, just in case someone sues
Dec 31 20:05:01 <RST38h> So, I fully expect a complete video
Dec 31 20:07:29 <tlir> what are the news regarding n810 owners with the new release of n900?
Dec 31 20:07:34 <tlir> or n9xx
Dec 31 20:08:32 <lcuk> tlir, theres rumblings that the powervr driver may be forthcoming
Dec 31 20:08:55 <lcuk> RST38h, :S "chopper, sick balls"
Dec 31 20:09:12 <tlir> excuse me ignorance, I've been a bit out of the community
Dec 31 20:09:25 <tlir> does it mean we can upgrade from os2008 to maemo5?
Dec 31 20:09:38 <lcuk> no
Dec 31 20:10:18 <tlir> lcuk: uhh, does the release of maemo5/n9xx provide anything to owners of the n8xx series?
Dec 31 20:10:34 <RST38bis> phone?
Dec 31 20:10:56 <tlir> RST38bis: phone? how's that? we don't have the gsm radio on n8xx :-)
Dec 31 20:11:20 <RST38h> exactly, so that is what maemo5/n9xx provides for you
Dec 31 20:11:42 <lcuk> 32gb of storage
Dec 31 20:11:46 <lcuk> 48 actually
Dec 31 20:11:50 <lcuk> space for
Dec 31 20:11:52 <RST38h> decent keybord
Dec 31 20:11:58 <lcuk> great camera
Dec 31 20:12:05 <RST38h> naah, camera still sucks
Dec 31 20:12:11 <RST38h> better gps
Dec 31 20:12:13 <lcuk> not from where im standing
Dec 31 20:12:15 <tlir> I'm asking a different question. I'm not asking what is new in the N9xx, I'm asking, as an owner of the N810, does the release of the N9xx provide anything I can use on the N8xx.
Dec 31 20:12:15 <RST38h> accelerometer
Dec 31 20:12:30 <RST38h> lcuk: Well, anywhere but in .AU, it sucks.
Dec 31 20:12:34 <lcuk> tlir, powervr drivers
Dec 31 20:12:42 <lcuk> RST38h, its great here
Dec 31 20:12:43 <tlir> for example, some good pim program that they released in maemo5 which we can all use
Dec 31 20:12:43 <RST38h> tlir: No. Should it?
Dec 31 20:12:45 <lcuk> i use it every day
Dec 31 20:12:59 <lcuk> and now i have proper system thumbnail support
Dec 31 20:13:00 <RST38h> lcuk: I thought you had clouds and rain daily?
Dec 31 20:13:04 <lcuk> its even betterererer
Dec 31 20:13:06 <lcuk> we do
Dec 31 20:13:16 <lcuk> macro zoom is ideal
Dec 31 20:13:24 <lcuk> videos recordwell
Dec 31 20:13:26 <RST38h> N900 camera does reeeeally badly in cloudy weather
Dec 31 20:13:38 <RST38h> And forget about using it in the dark =(
Dec 31 20:13:55 <lcuk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q
Dec 31 20:13:57 <lcuk> thats in the dark
Dec 31 20:14:08 * RST38h walked around the city center, shooting christmas trees. I can show the results, just to prove that the camera sucks.
Dec 31 20:14:10 <lcuk> the first shots i ever took with it were in the dark
Dec 31 20:14:12 <tlir> lcuk: are those the video drivers?
Dec 31 20:14:23 <lcuk> and they worked better than any other phone camera ive ever used
Dec 31 20:14:45 <lcuk> RST38h, bad camera or bad cameraman :p
Dec 31 20:15:17 * lcuk has 2x resolution for videos now and they look great
Dec 31 20:15:26 <RST38h> lcuk: Well, the subject was pretty limited, so cameraman can be well excluded from the equation
Dec 31 20:15:43 <N900evil> rst, it's not bad for a phone camera.
Dec 31 20:15:49 <RST38h> for a phone camera, yes
Dec 31 20:15:53 <RST38h> that is the problem
Dec 31 20:15:55 <N900evil> red, but...
Dec 31 20:16:29 <lcuk> anyway, guests here
Dec 31 20:16:35 <N900evil> rsalveti, I wish upgrading cam were simple :)
Dec 31 20:16:41 <lcuk> happy new year maemo \o/ hope this next one is great for everyone
Dec 31 20:16:44 <N900evil> lcuk, wave.!
Dec 31 20:17:32 <blizzow> I just got my N900.  What are some "must haves"?
Dec 31 20:18:05 <N900evil> blizz: fingerless love.
Dec 31 20:18:10 <N900evil> gloves
Dec 31 20:18:25 <N900evil> xchat
Dec 31 20:18:35 <N900evil> fbreader
Dec 31 20:19:53 <viggi> fingerless love
Dec 31 20:19:55 <viggi> :|
Dec 31 20:20:40 <N900evil> flashlight, simple brightness applet, load-meter
Dec 31 20:22:25 <AndrewBlack> blizzow, Maemo.org Theme its the best
Dec 31 20:25:45 <LuciusMare> xchat?
Dec 31 20:25:48 <LuciusMare> xchat is buggy
Dec 31 20:25:49 <LuciusMare> irssi
Dec 31 20:26:01 <Mousey> xchat is buggy?
Dec 31 20:26:33 <Gadgetoid_mbp> xchat is only bugger if you're not l33t enough to edit the config files in vim
Dec 31 20:26:46 <Gadgetoid_mbp> errr... buggy!
Dec 31 20:27:04 <Mousey> editing files in vim does not make one l33t.
Dec 31 20:27:09 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Yes it does
Dec 31 20:27:22 <Mousey> basically competent maybe, but hardly l33t
Dec 31 20:27:27 <Gadgetoid_mbp> You're just jealous because you can't hack the terminal with your l33t keyboard skillz
Dec 31 20:27:49 <Mousey> vi hasn't been l33t since the 80's
Dec 31 20:28:13 <LuciusMare> <Mousey> vi hasn't been l33t since ever
Dec 31 20:28:15 <LuciusMare> fix'd
Dec 31 20:28:17 <Gadgetoid_mbp> *LALALALLALALA* you're in denial *LALALALLALALA* I can't hear you *LALALALAL* It's SO l33t! *LALALA*
Dec 31 20:28:27 <Mousey> LuciusMare: lol
Dec 31 20:28:47 <Gadgetoid_mbp> gedit is more l33t
Dec 31 20:29:08 <Mousey> kate is l33t
Dec 31 20:29:12 <Gadgetoid_mbp> gedit & - vi for people with computers built this century
Dec 31 20:29:32 <Mousey>  <Gadgetoid_mbp> gedit & - vim for people with computers built this century
Dec 31 20:29:34 <Mousey> fix'd
Dec 31 20:29:57 <LuciusMare> gedit? :o
Dec 31 20:30:02 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hahaha
Dec 31 20:30:11 <LuciusMare> everything that is on gtk just sx
Dec 31 20:30:13 <Gadgetoid_mbp> gedit, gedit, haha!
Dec 31 20:30:24 <LuciusMare> though they made a good job while creating the fremantle gui
Dec 31 20:30:29 <Gadgetoid_mbp> *LAALALALALALALA*
Dec 31 20:30:41 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Just because gnomes are short
Dec 31 20:30:52 <RST38h> BTW, irssi package is broken
Dec 31 20:31:00 <ml-N900> mm, xchat still needs work
Dec 31 20:31:01 <RST38h> I mean the irssi package in the repo of course
Dec 31 20:31:12 <Gadgetoid_mbp> xchat needs a lot of work
Dec 31 20:31:16 <Gadgetoid_mbp> But meh, it works!
Dec 31 20:31:27 <ml-N900> well
Dec 31 20:31:43 <Gadgetoid_mbp> no worse than irssi if you configure it properly
Dec 31 20:31:44 <ml-N900> it crashes whenever I change and save settings
Dec 31 20:31:58 <N900evil> backlight pwm freq is too low
Dec 31 20:32:03 <RST38h> ml-n900: not any more
Dec 31 20:32:09 <N900evil> ml-, update
Dec 31 20:32:18 <RST38h> Once again: Update XChat to the latets version from Extras-Devel
Dec 31 20:32:18 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Update? aww, takes all the fun out of it
Dec 31 20:32:37 <ml-N900> hmm, I guess the update only bothered to do mplayer
Dec 31 20:32:40 <ml-N900> brb
Dec 31 20:33:07 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Digital photoframes suck
Dec 31 20:33:23 <Gadgetoid_mbp> No AAC support, blaaaaah
Dec 31 20:35:27 <red> damn its irritating that every sentence that has letters red, like "registered"
Dec 31 20:35:39 <red> turns into hilight by irssi
Dec 31 20:35:48 <Gadgetoid_mbp> use xchat
Dec 31 20:36:00 <red> even if i set red to be hilight as a nick
Dec 31 20:36:04 <ml-N900> there we go
Dec 31 20:36:13 <Gadgetoid_mbp> red red red red!
Dec 31 20:36:23 <red> dno, used irssi for 9 years
Dec 31 20:36:38 <ml-N900> yay, no crash
Dec 31 20:36:46 <Gadgetoid_mbp> red: it doesn't flash the LED or anything, so it can't be THAT irritating
Dec 31 20:36:54 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Just change your nick to red_
Dec 31 20:36:56 <red> is xchat anything alike?
Dec 31 20:37:50 <Gadgetoid_mbp> About ten million times heavier, and it'll ejaculate gui all over your screen
Dec 31 20:38:06 <Gadgetoid_mbp> But whilst CTRL+Enter still makes it full screen, it's edging out irssi for best use of screen real estate
Dec 31 20:38:08 <red> and most importantly, does it behave the same way reg4ding hilight?
Dec 31 20:38:27 <red> hm
Dec 31 20:38:51 <red> u cant disable gui? since thats not really that useful
Dec 31 20:39:34 <red> oh well, guess ill finally give it a go after new year
Dec 31 20:39:48 <red> ..and happy new year to aöö!
Dec 31 20:39:53 <red> all*
Dec 31 20:41:27 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Aye aye happy new year!
Dec 31 20:41:40 <Gadgetoid_mbp> I wish App Mgr would show a changelog
Dec 31 20:42:12 <N900evil> there is a repository watch program
Dec 31 20:42:40 <GAN900> Gadgetoid_mbp, blame package maintainers.
Dec 31 20:42:50 <Gadgetoid_mbp> GAN900: I do, the dirty scoundrels
Dec 31 20:43:12 <Gadgetoid_mbp> I guess it's so early in the devel stage of N900 apps, they mostly don't care
Dec 31 20:43:21 <N900evil> appwatch
Dec 31 20:43:31 <N900evil> unsure what it does
Dec 31 20:43:36 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Cheers N900evil, will give it a try
Dec 31 20:43:40 <Gadgetoid_mbp> it might be useful
Dec 31 20:43:52 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Although I think it just checks for new additions, iirc
Dec 31 20:44:19 <N900evil> duno
Dec 31 20:44:56 <jebba> GAN900: why blame package maintainers?  I do a changelog but no updates show up in App Mgr
Dec 31 20:45:45 <jello69> changelogs must be machine parsable
Dec 31 20:48:33 <jebba> uh, in what sense?  debian/changelog is parseable i suppose, no?
Dec 31 20:52:08 <Gadgetoid_mbp> reet time to get some shuteye, or at least stop staring at glarey big laptop screen
Dec 31 21:06:21 <RST38h> HNY everybody
Dec 31 21:06:49 <N900evil> 2h55M here
Dec 31 21:09:45 <jello69> happy new year RST38h  and thanks for the fun
Dec 31 21:09:49 <N900evil> hmm
Dec 31 21:10:12 * N900evil wonders about laser engraving keymats.
Dec 31 21:10:26 <ifreq> keymats?
Dec 31 21:10:46 <N900evil> the keytops
Dec 31 21:11:33 <Bluewind> any ideas why my devices reboots when i run "ffmpeg -f video4linux2 -s 320x240 -i /dev/video0 test.mpeg"?
Dec 31 21:11:55 <Bluewind> (n900)
Dec 31 21:12:23 <N900evil> bl, do you have the shutter open?
Dec 31 21:12:35 <Bluewind> yes
Dec 31 21:12:53 <N900evil> does video1 work
Dec 31 21:13:03 <N900evil> or mplayer
Dec 31 21:13:11 <Bluewind> mplayer works fine
Dec 31 21:13:29 <Bluewind> ffmpeg with video1 seems to work too
Dec 31 21:13:31 <N900evil> mplayer tv:// -tv device...
Dec 31 21:13:50 <N900evil> with the same size?
Dec 31 21:13:58 <Bluewind> yes
Dec 31 21:14:06 <Bluewind> doesn't seem to record something though
Dec 31 21:14:20 <jebba> Bluewind: is video0 the front camera or the good back camera?
Dec 31 21:14:21 <N900evil> the video path is a native kernel nokia driver
Dec 31 21:14:31 <Bluewind> jebba: 0 ist good back 1 is bad front
Dec 31 21:14:32 <N900evil> not well tested.
Dec 31 21:14:48 <N900evil> maybe
Dec 31 21:18:22 <Proteous> fmpeg -f video4linux2 -s 320x240 -i /dev/video0 text.mpeg; shutdown -r now
Dec 31 21:18:25 <Proteous> just remove that last part
Dec 31 21:20:12 <N900evil> mpncoder tv:// -tv height=320:width=320:fps=5 -nosound -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=444 -o test.avi -endpos 10
Dec 31 21:20:17 <Bluewind> ok 320x240 crashes 640x480 works
Dec 31 21:20:25 <Bluewind> with ffmpeg
Dec 31 21:20:55 <Bluewind> ah nope used video1
Dec 31 21:21:24 <jebba> Bluewind: are you using the ffmpeg packages in extras-devel?
Dec 31 21:21:25 <Bluewind> N900evil: gonna try
Dec 31 21:21:32 <LuciusMare> hi
Dec 31 21:22:04 <Bluewind> jebba: just did apt-get install ffmpeg
Dec 31 21:22:11 <Bluewind> no idea what it installed
Dec 31 21:22:49 <LuciusMare> so again,i have the settings for my home wifi AP saved as home-wifi. But i am there,and the saved settings does not show,it shows just as a hidden network - the AP is hidden (the ssid is hidden)
Dec 31 21:23:40 <Caesium> when setting it up you ticked "Network is hidden" ?
Dec 31 21:23:44 <Caesium> because mine is also, and it's working ok.
Dec 31 21:25:12 <LuciusMare> it wokred well untill now
Dec 31 21:25:44 <LuciusMare> and yes,its ticked
Dec 31 21:26:10 <Bluewind> N900evil: works thx
Dec 31 21:26:17 <LuciusMare> hm,the SSID is a weird bunch of characters (?)
Dec 31 21:27:00 <jebba> Bluewind: ok, i built that package. I really havent looked at it much though.
Dec 31 21:29:38 <charkins> I'm playing with the SDK and many strings for framework widgets are displaying things like "wdgt_va_24h_time" instead of the intended text. I assume that I messed up something with translations, but can't seem to figure it out. Anyone know what the problem might be and how I might go about fixing it?
Dec 31 21:30:03 <LuciusMare> CRAP
Dec 31 21:30:05 * LuciusMare faints
Dec 31 21:30:13 <LuciusMare> i didnt remember i renamed the network
Dec 31 21:30:18 <Caesium> haha :)
Dec 31 21:30:49 <Caesium> well, glad you worked it out :)
Dec 31 21:32:43 * LuciusMare watches the blinking icon suspiciously
Dec 31 21:32:49 <LuciusMare> heh,it stopped blinking
Dec 31 21:32:56 <LuciusMare> i am not sure if it connected or my tablet froze
Dec 31 21:33:15 <LuciusMare> ^^
Dec 31 21:33:17 <LuciusMare> it connected
Dec 31 21:38:19 <charkins> hmm, an apt-get update/upgrade seems to have fixed missing translations on widgets
Dec 31 21:38:38 <RST38h> Harmattan device picture leaked!!!
Dec 31 21:38:39 <RST38h> http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/12/091230-bphone-02.jpg
Dec 31 21:38:45 <woglinde> rst lol
Dec 31 21:38:47 <LuciusMare> woo
Dec 31 21:38:49 <LuciusMare> what is that?
Dec 31 21:39:00 <RST38h> yes? what? =)
Dec 31 21:39:02 <LuciusMare> it looks like a borken tablet pc
Dec 31 21:39:09 <jebba> that thing rules
Dec 31 21:39:17 <jebba> just needs wheels
Dec 31 21:39:23 <LuciusMare> exactly :D
Dec 31 21:40:23 <LuciusMare> woah
Dec 31 21:40:35 <LuciusMare> is 80% filled of rootfs a lot?
Dec 31 21:40:51 <RST38h> no
Dec 31 21:41:13 <LuciusMare> bluemaemo just took 8 % :/
Dec 31 21:41:31 <jebba> i wish i was at 80%.... i'm always around 96% to 100%
Dec 31 21:41:53 <LuciusMare> :O
Dec 31 21:42:04 <LuciusMare> wait,that is the boundary of brick,isnt it?
Dec 31 21:45:12 <LuciusMare> heh
Dec 31 21:45:29 <LuciusMare> bluemaemo lacks hw kzb support badlz
Dec 31 21:45:35 <bib> Is it possible to add a keyboard under bluetooth on N900?
Dec 31 21:46:06 <LuciusMare> controling the n900?
Dec 31 21:47:17 <bib> yes
Dec 31 21:47:37 <LuciusMare> i think so
Dec 31 21:47:50 <LuciusMare> jebba
Dec 31 21:47:59 <bib> on pidgin with for example?
Dec 31 21:48:16 <LuciusMare> why arent you bricked already?
Dec 31 21:48:32 <bib> Jebba is an application?
Dec 31 21:48:45 <LuciusMare> no,jebba is a man
Dec 31 21:48:55 <LuciusMare> i am talking to him
Dec 31 21:49:10 <jebba> LuciusMare: i just make sure i got some space before i reboot
Dec 31 21:49:31 <bib> ok   I am French, not easy here lol
Dec 31 21:49:43 <LuciusMare> jebba: usually,i dont want to reboot.it happens by itself
Dec 31 21:49:49 <LuciusMare> i want to have a nice uptime
Dec 31 21:49:57 <LuciusMare> so,what is the boundary of brick?
Dec 31 21:50:23 <Proteous> so zen
Dec 31 21:50:48 <jebba> not sure, but if it's 100% full you fooo
Dec 31 21:58:05 <type_t> # bounday of a brick  is when you cant $ su on busybox
Dec 31 21:59:18 <woglinde> jo ali
Dec 31 22:00:34 <fnordianslip> hmm. i've been getting a crash out of Media Player.  It happens only when I choose to display Playlists, not All albums, Artists or Genres.  This didn't happen before I synced my 20GB iTunes library with Nokia Multimedia Sync - it was previously synced with Sailing Media Sync.  Media Player seems to crash when it tries to work out the total time for the  "Never Played" automatic playlist.
Dec 31 22:01:01 <angasule_> is amsn available on a repo somewhere?
Dec 31 22:01:17 <woglinde> whats amsn?
Dec 31 22:01:22 <woglinde> msn client?
Dec 31 22:01:24 <angasule_> yes
Dec 31 22:01:33 <angasule_> with webcam (and voice? :? support)
Dec 31 22:01:46 <angasule_> hmm, it might not have voice, now that I think about it, so it's no good
Dec 31 22:02:12 <angasule_> I know skype video won't work, so I'm trying to figure out how to have a videoconference with my sister
Dec 31 22:02:13 <woglinde> there is no videochat client yet
Dec 31 22:02:38 <angasule_> bummer, will have to use the laptop
Dec 31 22:03:09 <charkins> farsight is in the repos, i wonder if pidgin could be built with voice/video support
Dec 31 22:04:29 <Tester> charkins: why woul dyou want that? you should use the built-in app
Dec 31 22:04:33 <charkins> maybe i'll give it a try after i get basic 2-way multi google calendar sync working
Dec 31 22:04:34 <Tester> it uses farsight too
Dec 31 22:04:51 <Tester> charkins: and it has a bunch of optimisations that are specific to the n900 hardware
Dec 31 22:05:09 <woglinde> tester hm
Dec 31 22:05:13 <angasule_> I have an N810
Dec 31 22:05:57 <charkins> Tester: i just mentioned it because pidgin already has some support for voice/video, so it should be a matter of building, rather than developing the features for the stock im client
Dec 31 22:05:59 <Tester> woglinde: video is coming in an upcoming update
Dec 31 22:06:14 <charkins> nice, i'd much rather see it in the native client
Dec 31 22:06:22 <charkins> err, native is a bad word, but you know what i mean
Dec 31 22:06:36 <woglinde> charkins hm the n900 camera stream is not normal one
Dec 31 22:06:41 <woglinde> as on n810
Dec 31 22:06:42 <Tester> its there in the stock client, its just that the button is hidden because there were some issues with the lower layers when th eorigin firmware shipped
Dec 31 22:06:57 <charkins> ahh, that's good news
Dec 31 22:07:08 <woglinde> re doc
Dec 31 22:07:36 <DocScrutinizer51> hi woglinde
Dec 31 22:07:42 <angasule_> so, no videoconference for N810? :?
Dec 31 22:07:54 <woglinde> I think so
Dec 31 22:07:57 <Tester> n810 does video confs out of the box
Dec 31 22:08:08 <woglinde> tester with skype?
Dec 31 22:08:14 <Tester> woglinde: not skype
Dec 31 22:08:22 <Tester> there is no mobile device on the market that does skype video calls
Dec 31 22:08:28 <woglinde> hm okay
Dec 31 22:08:28 <DocScrutinizer51> strange. repeated reconnects due to roaming killed my xchat
Dec 31 22:09:43 <Tester> the mobile version of the skype client doesnt support video (for now)
Dec 31 22:10:26 * DangerMaus__ lights a flame under them
Dec 31 22:11:12 <DocScrutinizer51> no wonder. they need to wait for the makers of iLBC to create a customized lib for the particular mobile device
Dec 31 22:12:44 <DocScrutinizer51> been xten and now they renamed to xxxpath
Dec 31 22:13:00 <angasule_> Tester: on top of which protocols? SIP? MSN?
Dec 31 22:13:09 <DocScrutinizer51> skype bought their complete 'engine'
Dec 31 22:13:19 <Tester> angasule_: xmpp, sip
Dec 31 22:13:55 <Tester> angasule_: on the n900, there is community supported butterfly that has av for msn too (but its not enabled righ tnow because its too buggy)
Dec 31 22:13:57 <shinkamui> has a gimp port been attempted?
Dec 31 22:14:02 <angasule_> hmm, I can't find out how to get anki decks, meh
Dec 31 22:14:02 <shinkamui> I can't find anything but speculation in the forums
Dec 31 22:15:13 <angasule_> thanks for the info
Dec 31 22:18:08 <jebba> gimp wh
Dec 31 22:18:14 <jebba> gimp would be very hard to use on n900...
Dec 31 22:19:11 <DangerMaus> heh
Dec 31 22:19:28 <DangerMaus> plug er into a bit screen
Dec 31 22:19:32 <DangerMaus> big
Dec 31 22:19:34 <DangerMaus> lol
Dec 31 22:19:48 <Caesium> and add bt mouse and keyboard :)
Dec 31 22:21:07 <DangerMaus> gots the latter 2
Dec 31 22:21:50 <shinkamui> I dissagree
Dec 31 22:21:50 <DangerMaus> just need new glasses now to see the screen
Dec 31 22:21:58 <shinkamui> it would completely depend on HOW you use the gimp
Dec 31 22:22:04 <shinkamui> but it would definately need an inteface change
Dec 31 22:24:31 <lcuk> gimp is very hard to use on any screen
Dec 31 22:24:46 <lcuk> but im not here lol
Dec 31 22:35:05 <shinkamui> lcuk: I cry
Dec 31 22:35:12 <shinkamui> well, Im thinking about trying to use mtpaint
Dec 31 22:35:21 <shinkamui> I just am not a fan of needing to run shit in a chrooted environment
Dec 31 22:35:37 <shinkamui> unless its for testing or development
Dec 31 22:35:43 <shinkamui> and Im not even close to that point yet on the N900
Dec 31 22:35:49 <shinkamui> someone pat me on the back btw
Dec 31 22:36:04 <shinkamui> My first mostly useless port was completed this morning
Dec 31 22:36:14 <shinkamui> 0verkill! :)
Dec 31 22:36:40 <shinkamui> required absolutely no effort, but I know have a pretty good understanding of the scratchbox
Dec 31 22:36:45 <shinkamui> now
Dec 31 22:36:55 <jebba> shinkamui: there is a paintish type program it comes with, btw
Dec 31 22:37:05 <shinkamui> sketches I Think
Dec 31 22:37:11 <shinkamui> its somewhat terrible
Dec 31 22:37:50 <shinkamui> very limited max resolution, no layers
Dec 31 22:38:13 <shinkamui> more than anything else, I need layers and a larger image size
Dec 31 22:40:09 <pupnik> xpPhone.. <BARF>
Dec 31 22:45:30 <shinkamui> pupnik sup
Dec 31 22:45:37 <pupnik> hey shinkamui
Dec 31 22:46:26 <pupnik> see the engadget bphone?  that is a pretty little clamshell design
Dec 31 22:49:40 <N900evil> Is there a way to get flash to see the camera?
Dec 31 22:50:16 <pupnik> i hope not
Dec 31 22:50:47 <pupnik> ever see the movie 'The Thing'?
Dec 31 22:51:16 <pupnik> that's probably where adobe got their ideas
Dec 31 22:51:57 <pupnik> thing is, typing on that bphone keyboard would be slower than n900
Dec 31 22:53:30 <pupnik> too small to touch type, and longer distances to travel for thumbs
Dec 31 22:53:59 <caotic> does anyone knows how to check what firmware is the n900 running ? and how to check what is the latests one ?
Dec 31 22:54:11 <Pavlov> settings/about
Dec 31 22:54:44 <woglinde_> caotic in settings info
Dec 31 22:55:45 <caotic> woglinde_: settings > info ? Pavlov: Settings > about worked to find out running FW. thanks
Dec 31 22:56:05 <woglinde_> caotic where wlan and bt mac is
Dec 31 22:57:16 <woglinde_> I only have german version
Dec 31 22:57:30 <woglinde_> so I translate menu entries as well as I can
Dec 31 22:57:31 <caotic> woglinde_: Ah , that explains it
Dec 31 22:57:46 <caotic> woglinde_: thats ok man, thanks
Dec 31 22:58:01 <woglinde_> cacotic when you find the filed where it show the wlan mac
Dec 31 22:58:07 <woglinde_> than it shows the firmaware info too
Dec 31 22:59:57 <caotic> woglinde_: yeah I got it
Dec 31 23:00:36 <caotic> Any one else is upset about the charger input location. Typing while the device is plugged in is unconfortable (n900)
Dec 31 23:02:20 <woglinde_> so happy new year
Dec 31 23:06:09 <Stskeeps> yeah, from .pl too
Dec 31 23:11:00 <flux> caotic, well, what would be a better location?
Dec 31 23:11:14 <flux> perhaps a better example would be its location when you're talking into it..
Dec 31 23:11:31 <flux> there should be two microphones, so you could use it either way ;)
Dec 31 23:12:33 <bib> bonne année !!
Dec 31 23:15:34 <SpeedEvil> caotic: not quite
Dec 31 23:15:58 <SpeedEvil> caotic: typing while the device is plugged in is uncomfortable without a right-angle USB connector.
Dec 31 23:15:59 <rlinfati> Hi, i can use gps from DBus?
Dec 31 23:16:08 <SpeedEvil> caotic: which aren't available unfortunately.
Dec 31 23:17:37 <caotic> SpeedEvil: probably, but will I buy a $20+usd charger, just because its bended ... IDk, have made some poor investments before
Dec 31 23:19:11 <caotic> I wasnt aware that youtube lounched 3D video. I cant wait to get one of those cheap *ss glasses to watch 3d in my n900
Dec 31 23:23:15 <shinkamui> my experience with microB and flash video is less than desireable
Dec 31 23:23:20 <shinkamui> its someone choppy for me
Dec 31 23:23:30 <shinkamui> something I need to adjust/install/change?
Dec 31 23:24:38 <shinkamui> nice, an update to xchat
Dec 31 23:24:57 <ShadowJK> The N900 camera is somewhat nice.. it captured the fireworks me and my cousin shot :)
Dec 31 23:25:18 <shinkamui> yea, Im not displeased with th camera
Dec 31 23:25:25 <shinkamui> a lot of reviewers talked a lot of shit about it
Dec 31 23:25:31 <shinkamui> but hands down it takes better pics than the iphone
Dec 31 23:25:40 <shinkamui> I wouldn't compare it to a dedicated 5mp digital camera
Dec 31 23:26:07 <shinkamui> i mean clearly, there's a huge difference between the 1/2" lense on the N900 and the 2.5" lense on my Nikkon
Dec 31 23:26:33 <flux> I imagine the size of the sensor is also a fraction of what real cameras, even ultracompact, have
Dec 31 23:26:35 <Proteous> 1/2"? you mean .001mm :P
Dec 31 23:26:51 <shinkamui> I was referring to the outer lense
Dec 31 23:26:51 <ShadowJK> shinkamui, well I don't know anyone with an iphone
Dec 31 23:27:07 <shinkamui> ShadowJK you do now :)
Dec 31 23:27:10 <ShadowJK> but for taking still pictures, my Nokia E75's 3.5Mpixel camer is better
Dec 31 23:27:13 <shinkamui> I retired my 3gs for the N900
Dec 31 23:27:34 <shinkamui> I find the capure process a little slow
Dec 31 23:27:40 <shinkamui> but its still useable
Dec 31 23:27:40 <ShadowJK> and the E75 has video light... though my flashlight kinda worked as video light too
Dec 31 23:27:50 <shinkamui> I liked how the N95 had burst mode
Dec 31 23:27:52 <flux> shooting a sequence of images in rapid succession would be nice
Dec 31 23:28:04 <shinkamui> yea
Dec 31 23:28:11 <flux> yes, or call it "rapid", much shorter :)
Dec 31 23:28:11 <shinkamui> thats my favorite feature of any camera
Dec 31 23:28:12 <ShadowJK> yeh, E75 has burst mode too, and a "take picture every X seconds until memory card is full"
Dec 31 23:28:18 <SpeedEvil> n900 flashlight is pretty useless for video mode
Dec 31 23:28:22 <SpeedEvil> regrettably
Dec 31 23:28:29 <shinkamui> lol
Dec 31 23:28:31 <flux> shadowjk, I wouldn't call that very rapid
Dec 31 23:28:32 <shinkamui> haven't even tried a night video
Dec 31 23:28:35 <ShadowJK> No I mean I had a flashlight with me too
Dec 31 23:28:36 <SpeedEvil> For example - taking pictures of a face.
Dec 31 23:28:39 <Proteous> my n97 has a multi picture function
Dec 31 23:28:45 <ShadowJK> I took picture of fireworks
Dec 31 23:28:47 <Proteous> it has the same 5mp camera as the n900
Dec 31 23:28:48 <ifreq> I love turtles.
Dec 31 23:28:52 <SpeedEvil> if the persons face fills more than half of the screen, it will be in focus.
Dec 31 23:28:55 <SpeedEvil> err
Dec 31 23:28:57 <Proteous> w00t, turtles
Dec 31 23:28:58 <SpeedEvil> reasonably lit
Dec 31 23:29:00 <shinkamui> Proteous quality difference?
Dec 31 23:29:09 <shinkamui> I figured the N900s camera issues are soley software
Dec 31 23:29:09 <SpeedEvil> otherwise, it rapidly dissapears.
Dec 31 23:29:22 <Proteous> shinkamui: quality diffence with what
Dec 31 23:29:26 <shinkamui> I mean, if you can take video, should be easy to take a burst of photos
Dec 31 23:29:34 <shinkamui> N900 and N97 camera images
Dec 31 23:29:36 <Proteous> ah
Dec 31 23:29:37 <ShadowJK> shinkamui, there are some hardware issues too, like the silver frame in the back cover
Dec 31 23:29:40 <Proteous> I don't think so
Dec 31 23:29:48 <SpeedEvil> Proteous: how do you know it has the same camera?
Dec 31 23:29:57 <Proteous> it doesn't?
Dec 31 23:30:16 <Proteous> nokia sourced two different 5mp phone camera units?....
Dec 31 23:30:24 <Proteous> not sure why they would do that
Dec 31 23:30:25 <SpeedEvil> Proteous: perhaps.
Dec 31 23:30:43 <Proteous> for phones that were being developed at the same time
Dec 31 23:30:47 <SpeedEvil> Proteous: simply as hardware purchasing is not as simple as you might think from the outside.
Dec 31 23:30:50 <flux> shadowjk, well, taking a 0.3Mpix (?) video is still a bit different from taking 5Mpix stills
Dec 31 23:31:10 <ShadowJK> flux, N900 takes 800x480 videos. E75 takes 640x480 videos
Dec 31 23:31:18 <blizzow> The camera units are slightly different.  The N97 is 2.8/5.4  and the N900 is 2.8/5.2
Dec 31 23:31:19 <ShadowJK> both encode to h264 in mp4 container
Dec 31 23:31:28 <SpeedEvil> I suppose chasing down the part numbers for the phone, and seeing if they are the same
Dec 31 23:31:42 <ShadowJK> Yeah, the lens and assembly make alot of difference too
Dec 31 23:31:46 <SpeedEvil> Proteous: have you found a L1/L2 service manual for the n97 - is the camera removable?
Dec 31 23:31:54 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: the lens and the camera come in one unit
Dec 31 23:31:54 <shinkamui> nice
Dec 31 23:31:57 <flux> shadowjk, well, one could easily think that the bandwidth from the image capturing chip is limited
Dec 31 23:32:01 <ShadowJK> My E75 has a flash which does not blind itself ;)
Dec 31 23:32:01 <shinkamui> Xchat save preferences issue has been fixed
Dec 31 23:32:08 <shinkamui> w00hoo!
Dec 31 23:32:10 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: nokia simply plug the whole camera and lens assembly into the motherboard.
Dec 31 23:32:14 <Proteous> the size diffences is probably just a software thing to make use of the different screen l/w ratios
Dec 31 23:32:15 <flux> shadowjk, and if the same chip does h264 and jpeg, the jpegs are still going to be a lot larger per second
Dec 31 23:32:27 <ShadowJK> flux, it's raw from the capture chip, the compression is done on the SOC
Dec 31 23:32:44 <ShadowJK> by the dsp, probably
Dec 31 23:32:49 <SpeedEvil> The SoC has a JPEG compressor
Dec 31 23:32:55 <SpeedEvil> it's apparantly not the DSP
Dec 31 23:32:59 <ShadowJK> I hope it isn't used
Dec 31 23:33:03 <SpeedEvil> or it is seperately mentioned.
Dec 31 23:33:11 <flux> shadowjk, in that case I suppose it'd be easy to grab a few raw images and compress them later?
Dec 31 23:33:21 <ShadowJK> The SOC has all that IVA stuff... but it's only accessible through DSP, I think, and not documented..
Dec 31 23:33:21 * SpeedEvil _really_ wants a proper datasheet.
Dec 31 23:33:38 <SpeedEvil> flux: much of the stuff is not documented at all.
Dec 31 23:34:22 <flux> speedevil, easy as in there are are no fundamental problems to be resolved, ie. a nokia engineer could do it easily?-)
Dec 31 23:35:05 <radic__> #df @ irc.euirc.net  rult
Dec 31 23:35:14 <flux> but, I shall be off to sleep. happy new year etc.
Dec 31 23:35:24 <ShadowJK> I'm not sure those hw jpeg compressors and decompressors are worth it
Dec 31 23:36:16 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: they _vastly_ reduce the amount of data that needs to be thrown around.
Dec 31 23:36:27 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: especially in video
Dec 31 23:36:41 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, as long as you can zero-copy it..
Dec 31 23:36:45 <SpeedEvil> flux: and stuff that could be done by nokia doesn't mean...
Dec 31 23:36:51 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: it's not that simple.
Dec 31 23:36:59 <ShadowJK> of course
Dec 31 23:37:09 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: Busses in mobile devices often are not uncontended.
Dec 31 23:37:34 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: So transferring an image from the camera directly into memory will eat a fair amount of bandwidth.
Dec 31 23:38:00 <ShadowJK> But even if you had the camera connected straight to the SOC's camera interface, it still takes effort to make an efficient driver to take advantage of the jpeg compressor
Dec 31 23:38:22 <SpeedEvil> On some mobiles, yes it supports DMA, but the memory controller does not support interleaved access so you block.
Dec 31 23:38:50 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: the way it generally works is that hte JPEG compressor module simply spits out a short frame with the image data in.
Dec 31 23:39:43 <ShadowJK> It'd be cool if it could stream mjpeg-style
Dec 31 23:39:52 <ShadowJK> maybe that's how they use it in digital cameras, actually...
Dec 31 23:40:22 <ShadowJK> My N900's uptime was reset from 28 days today :-(
Dec 31 23:40:36 <simula_> heh
Dec 31 23:40:43 <shinkamui> lol
Dec 31 23:40:44 <ShadowJK> I switched it off to give my SIM card to my cousin who wanted to browse the intarwebs on his netbook
Dec 31 23:41:08 * ShadowJK didn't immediately find iptables in the repos to setup NAT and adhoc wifi share, so..
Dec 31 23:41:10 <simula_> his netbook takes a sim card?
Dec 31 23:41:24 <woglinde> simula sure
Dec 31 23:41:30 <simula_> what model?
Dec 31 23:41:32 <woglinde> my eeepc has gsm modem too
Dec 31 23:41:44 <simula_> hmmm, interesting
Dec 31 23:41:51 <woglinde> eeepc 901 go
Dec 31 23:42:00 <woglinde> thats why I bought it
Dec 31 23:43:34 <timeless> sp
Dec 31 23:43:54 <timeless> about the google search item
Dec 31 23:43:54 <KamuiN900> yay
Dec 31 23:44:10 <timeless> it's controlled by keyword.URL in about:config
Dec 31 23:47:16 <shinkamui> anyone able to get weave or xmarks working in MicroB
Dec 31 23:47:50 <Pavlov> weave might be a bit tough
Dec 31 23:47:52 <shinkamui> I really dont know anything about browser plugin arch
Dec 31 23:48:03 <shinkamui> so im not even sure where to start looking
Dec 31 23:48:28 <shinkamui> and its not critical, just read a comment in the forums about someone getting weave AND xmarks working
Dec 31 23:48:34 <shinkamui> but nothing else was written on it
Dec 31 23:49:16 <Pavlov> i guess if you gutted most of the frontend it would mostly work
Dec 31 23:50:34 <shinkamui> yea, thats mostly what the forum said
Dec 31 23:50:43 <shinkamui> use a config file from a working desktop
Dec 31 23:50:49 <shinkamui> BUT, I can't get either plugin to install...
Dec 31 23:51:04 <shinkamui> message about not made for this version
Dec 31 23:51:06 <shinkamui> crap
Dec 31 23:54:10 <shinkamui> where ARE the microB bookmarks stored
Dec 31 23:57:29 <pH5> shinkamui: ~/.bookmarks ?
Dec 31 23:57:52 * shinkamui slaps himself
Dec 31 23:58:18 <shinkamui> once again, I am a fool, thanks :)
Jan 01 00:00:53 <SpeedEvil> Happy new year everyone!
Jan 01 00:01:03 * SpeedEvil has a resolution to get host mode working.
Jan 01 00:01:47 <woglinde_> speedevil hm how?
Jan 01 00:03:08 <SpeedEvil> http://techblog.gr/mobile/nokia-n900-teardown-08635/
Jan 01 00:03:16 <SpeedEvil> woglinde: by applying my coding hammer.
Jan 01 00:05:20 <pupnik> ok that board looks cool
Jan 01 00:05:38 <woglinde_> crazy grreks
Jan 01 00:06:44 <SpeedEvil> It is _EMPTY_
Jan 01 00:06:53 <SpeedEvil> compared to phones of only a couple of years ago
Jan 01 00:10:59 <Pavlov> maybe they should've made the phone smaller;p
Jan 01 00:14:28 <simula_> i'm happy with the size :)
Jan 01 00:15:43 <SpeedEvil> I'd like it ~10% larger in every dimension I think.
Jan 01 00:16:16 <Pavlov> ew
Jan 01 00:16:23 <Pavlov> i'd like it like half as thick
Jan 01 00:16:31 <Pavlov> and screw the bevel around the screen
Jan 01 00:16:37 <Pavlov> either put a bigger screen there or get rid of it
Jan 01 00:17:16 <SpeedEvil> Or  a d-pad or two :)
Jan 01 00:17:17 <simula_> i agree with the screen size pavlov
Jan 01 00:17:47 <Pavlov> my hd2 has a screen the size of the whole front of the n900
Jan 01 00:18:05 <Dantonic> hey, anyone been able to use "the one ring" the telepathy google voice plugin?
Jan 01 00:18:13 <Dantonic> does it work?
Jan 01 00:18:50 <shinkamui> naah
Jan 01 00:18:54 <shinkamui> doesn't appear to work
Jan 01 00:18:58 <shinkamui> at the moment
Jan 01 00:18:59 <Dantonic> ok
Jan 01 00:19:25 <pupnik> Mer 0.17testing4 on N900 HOWTO  http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38937
Jan 01 00:26:23 <N900evil> pup, neat!
Jan 01 00:27:03 <N900evil> pupnik, test
Jan 01 00:27:42 <wazd_e63> HNY!!!!
Jan 01 00:27:54 <N900evil> :)
Jan 01 00:28:26 <wazd_e63> Wooooooooo!!!!!
Jan 01 00:31:27 <pupnik> hi N900evil
Jan 01 00:31:46 <pupnik> I hope Pleasant Goat is cheap
Jan 01 00:32:23 <shinkamui> dudes
Jan 01 00:32:29 <shinkamui> will pc suite even sync bookmarks?
Jan 01 00:32:47 <timeless> iirc it doesn't
Jan 01 00:32:53 <shinkamui> ouch
Jan 01 00:32:57 <timeless> we told them we weren't interested
Jan 01 00:32:58 <shinkamui> that REALLY sucks then
Jan 01 00:33:14 <timeless> because the feature sets aren't remotely compatible
Jan 01 00:33:21 <shinkamui> Ill have to convert my most wanted into xml
Jan 01 00:33:28 <timeless> bookmarks for nokia phones don't support folders
Jan 01 00:33:42 <timeless> whereas microb most certainly does
Jan 01 00:35:20 <shinkamui> timeless: so, at this point, my best bet to use a huge list of bookmarks I have would be to keep them online?
Jan 01 00:36:01 <timeless> i would
Jan 01 00:36:11 <joppu> Are any of the synching plugins (weave, foxmarks) working on the MicroB?
Jan 01 00:36:24 <shinkamui> misc reports of mild success
Jan 01 00:36:29 <shinkamui> I can't get any of them to actually install
Jan 01 00:36:29 <joppu> Or are you talking about moving them over from a s60 phone?
Jan 01 00:36:39 <shinkamui> but its said you could use the config from a working desktop
Jan 01 00:36:51 <shinkamui> talking about pc bookmarks to the N900 for use in microB
Jan 01 00:39:33 <joppu> Fennec should support Weave synch out of the box, but the browser itself is painfully slow
Jan 01 00:44:17 <timeless> joppu: did you see my comment about google search
Jan 01 00:48:30 <joppu> where?
Jan 01 00:49:36 <wazd_e63> Wooooooooo!!!!!
Jan 01 00:50:37 <timeless> about the google search item
Jan 01 00:50:44 <timeless> it's controlled by keyword.URL in about:config
Jan 01 00:51:43 <shinkamui> fennec
Jan 01 00:51:45 <shinkamui> to me
Jan 01 00:52:03 <shinkamui> is like a massive shit
Jan 01 00:52:10 <shinkamui> you might want to show it off at first
Jan 01 00:52:20 <shinkamui> but its actual value becomes apparent shortly after
Jan 01 00:52:50 <shinkamui> brb gonna run to the store and get some booze and cigars
Jan 01 00:52:51 <shinkamui> :-D
Jan 01 00:56:40 <joppu> shinkamui: hey, open FF, bookmarks->organize... , Import&backup->export HTML, save the file on the device, open MicroB, open menu->import bookmarks, select the file
Jan 01 00:57:08 <shinkamui> oh cool, didn't even realize there was an import option
Jan 01 00:59:18 <joppu> timeless: what's that related to?
Jan 01 01:05:43 <joppu> Also by the way I reported a bug related to the browser: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7498
Jan 01 01:05:44 <povbot`> Bug 7498: Tapping a half selected bookmark causes the list to jump
Jan 01 01:08:48 <angasule_> ah, server is down :(
Jan 01 01:14:50 <angasule_> admin probably spilt vodka on it
Jan 01 01:18:11 <cehteh> happy new year
Jan 01 01:20:17 <angasule_> happy new year :)
Jan 01 01:25:28 <N900evil> A Happy 2010 to all!
Jan 01 01:25:54 <GAN900> Early!
Jan 01 01:26:35 <N900evil> not here.
Jan 01 01:26:56 <N900evil> 1:25 here - uk
Jan 01 01:27:35 <timeless> joppu: people complained about not being able to change what happened when they click the google search entry in the url completion popup
Jan 01 01:37:00 <shinkamui> penis butter
Jan 01 01:37:36 <shinkamui> Maemo built in apps are restricted by where they can browse!?!?
Jan 01 01:37:40 <shinkamui> reminds me of the iPhone
Jan 01 01:37:48 <shinkamui> grrrrr
Jan 01 01:38:58 <villager> what kind of restriction?
Jan 01 01:40:29 <pupnik> he wants to be able to delete system files from the gui
Jan 01 01:40:50 <pupnik> a winner is you!
Jan 01 01:41:02 <SpeedEvil> Interesting.
Jan 01 01:41:04 <SpeedEvil> http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/nokia-n900-teardown-reveals-smartphone-semantics/
Jan 01 01:41:18 <SpeedEvil> 'when we were reassembling the n900, one of the screwheads broke'
Jan 01 01:41:28 <type_t> $sudo rm /tmp/.X0-lock $ sudo nautilus
Jan 01 01:41:28 <SpeedEvil> So there is a reason not to reuse screws I guess
Jan 01 01:41:40 <SpeedEvil> they did note that the screen screws were very tight.
Jan 01 01:46:46 <pupnik> "For the slightly above average user, the N900 is great. For Linux users, the N900 will replace your fleshlight. " - livefreeordie, from t.m.o ;)
Jan 01 01:47:05 <pupnik> pretty much sums it up
Jan 01 01:47:55 <CutMeOwnThroat> fleshlight?
Jan 01 01:48:05 <ShadowJK> pupnik, lol! awesome :)
Jan 01 01:48:24 <ShadowJK> CutMeOwnThroat, fleshlight = synthetic vagina
Jan 01 01:49:13 <CutMeOwnThroat> oh dear... what if you didn't have one to replace, though
Jan 01 01:49:29 <CutMeOwnThroat> well, guess this suggests every linux user has one
Jan 01 01:51:25 <ShadowJK> It's one step below replacing a girlfriend
Jan 01 01:51:49 <pupnik> CutMeOwnThroat: that is part of why it is so funny
Jan 01 01:52:18 <pupnik> particularly as i chose to catch up on some maemo reading instead of going out tonight :D
Jan 01 01:52:40 <CutMeOwnThroat> I chose to catch a cold instead of going out tonight :(
Jan 01 01:53:06 <pupnik> keep warm, drink hot liquids with vitamin c
Jan 01 01:53:54 <joppu> timeless: well, I wasn't
Jan 01 01:55:45 <shinkamui> or pupnik
Jan 01 01:55:45 <shinkamui> or
Jan 01 01:55:48 <shinkamui> drink
Jan 01 01:55:53 <shinkamui> lots of whiskey
Jan 01 01:56:05 <shinkamui> especially jack or chivas regal
Jan 01 01:59:11 <shinkamui> do I need thet load applet to take screenies?
Jan 01 02:01:18 <Caesium> it's the easiest way I found to do it
Jan 01 02:07:05 <GAN900> CutMeOwnThroat, I did my cold for Christmas.
Jan 01 02:07:33 <CutMeOwnThroat> right
Jan 01 02:07:53 <CutMeOwnThroat> GAN900, guess I'll watch the fireworks inside me :)
Jan 01 02:20:47 <pupnik>  http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=447644&postcount=5  Palm user Hakapes shares favorite palmOS apps, interesting ideas for maemo / n900 projects galore...
Jan 01 02:26:40 <shinkamui> nice
Jan 01 02:26:42 <shinkamui> fworks inside me
Jan 01 02:26:43 <shinkamui> :)
Jan 01 02:27:06 <SpeedEvil> Ideas are not the problem.
Jan 01 02:29:04 <shinkamui> here's something silly to mention
Jan 01 02:29:09 <shinkamui> the skype plugin
Jan 01 02:29:26 <shinkamui> doesn't allow you to autoprefix numbers for dialing contacts
Jan 01 02:29:49 <shinkamui> so its useless for calling contacts with skypeout unless you do it manually, or edit the contact number to be in international format
Jan 01 02:29:58 <shinkamui> or am I missing something
Jan 01 02:31:28 <cosmo_> anyone from san francisco awake?
Jan 01 02:32:42 <shinkamui> fook
Jan 01 02:32:53 <shinkamui> is there no way to keep some images from showing up in the picture viewer?
Jan 01 02:33:01 <DaSilva> can someone help me with qstardict?
Jan 01 02:33:04 <shinkamui> 1, I have a ton of remote control button skins showing up that I dont wnat
Jan 01 02:33:16 <shinkamui> and then I have a bunch of dirty porn I dont want visible to just anyone
Jan 01 02:33:41 <SpeedEvil> It should really support groups.
Jan 01 02:33:53 <SpeedEvil> So you could add selected users to the dirtyporn group.
Jan 01 02:34:01 <shinkamui> :-D
Jan 01 02:34:08 <DaSilva> where do i have to extract the dictionaries?
Jan 01 02:34:11 <shinkamui> but seriously, at least let me set the default folder
Jan 01 02:34:18 <SpeedEvil> This is another reason why vfat is bad. You can't etup groups.
Jan 01 02:36:21 <n900user> Hi chatting with pidgin on n900. Could be easier - miss irssi
Jan 01 02:36:42 <shinkamui> im still not sure how I feel about pidgin on the N900
Jan 01 02:36:44 <N900evil> try xchat
Jan 01 02:36:55 <shinkamui> seems to kill the battery in comparison to the various plugins
Jan 01 02:37:00 <shinkamui> xchat rocks
Jan 01 02:37:06 <N900evil> or apt-get install irssi
Jan 01 02:37:08 <shinkamui> today a new version came out with preferences fixed
Jan 01 02:37:17 <shinkamui> how useful is irssi without an alt key
Jan 01 02:37:18 <shinkamui> :)
Jan 01 02:37:33 <N900evil> I don't think it's the plugins.
Jan 01 02:37:35 <pupnik> i use mostly ctrl and esc combos in irssi
Jan 01 02:37:44 <n900user> Irssi isn't available.
Jan 01 02:37:46 <pupnik> ctrl-n for next window...
Jan 01 02:37:53 <N900evil> it's 3g is you use it
Jan 01 02:38:09 <N900evil> sure it is.
Jan 01 02:38:16 <N900evil> enable extras-devel
Jan 01 02:38:20 <pupnik> the main advantage of irssi is to leave it running on my server in a 'screen' session, then connect to that as i wish from the n900
Jan 01 02:38:37 <DaSilva> where do i have to extract the dictionaries for qstardict??
Jan 01 02:38:51 <pupnik> returning to a channel, i can /lastlog various patterns to see what/whom i missed
Jan 01 02:39:32 <n900user> I find the number of program available somewhat lacking. I have non-free selected (it's the default)
Jan 01 02:41:11 <n900user> There is no unzip package
Jan 01 02:41:23 <SplasPood> there is in devel, I believe
Jan 01 02:41:43 <N900evil> unzip and unrar
Jan 01 02:42:05 <N900evil> and yes. stuff is lacking.
Jan 01 02:42:11 <n900user> I'd rather wait as i need a stable phone
Jan 01 02:42:19 <N900evil> but it's getting better.
Jan 01 02:42:41 <n900user> Also would like a remote control program
Jan 01 02:42:59 <N900evil> I installed a super-fast and lightweight browser today from extras devel.
Jan 01 02:43:20 <n900user> This phone has a lot of potential though
Jan 01 02:43:22 <N900evil> renders pages lots faster than microb
Jan 01 02:44:33 <pupnik> for comparison, we have a lot more apps and libraries available than 2 months after the N800 release.
Jan 01 02:44:51 <pupnik> at least that's my peeling
Jan 01 02:44:52 <timeless_mbp> n900user: you're afraid that zip/unzip from devel will be unstable?
Jan 01 02:45:05 <n900user> Does anyone know if i can teather? I want to go from tmobile's 3g to the n900 over wifi to a linux box.
Jan 01 02:45:33 <SplasPood>  n900user yes you can
Jan 01 02:45:47 <timeless_mbp> n900user: you can, but there's no ui -package that i know of
Jan 01 02:45:47 <n900user> I'm afraid to add devel then to update.
Jan 01 02:45:47 <SplasPood> I'm not 100% about wifi
Jan 01 02:45:51 <SplasPood> but I'm pretty sure.
Jan 01 02:45:52 <N900evil> I don't think via wifi is setup
Jan 01 02:45:56 <timeless_mbp> n900user: don't update
Jan 01 02:46:00 <SplasPood> I think I saw one
Jan 01 02:46:16 <timeless_mbp> check for updates, add devel, install zip/unzip, disable devel
Jan 01 02:46:21 <N900evil> it brings down the wifi interface when the phone comes up.
Jan 01 02:46:41 <n900user> Over usb would be good to just dont have the cord now
Jan 01 02:46:48 <N900evil> usbg works
Jan 01 02:46:53 <SplasPood> there's bluetooth DUN
Jan 01 02:46:57 <N900evil> as does bt
Jan 01 02:47:44 <SplasPood> you could also open a terminal I suppose and use iptables...
Jan 01 02:48:27 <n900user> The soapwidth game is difficult to play. Fire is the space bar. Hard to hold the phone and shoot.
Jan 01 02:49:01 <N900evil> spla, nope.
Jan 01 02:49:03 <N900evil> it brings down the wifi interface when the phone comes up.
Jan 01 02:50:05 <SplasPood> and you cannot manually bring it back up via the command line?
Jan 01 02:50:08 <N900evil> and viceversa
Jan 01 02:50:11 <N900evil> no
Jan 01 02:50:19 <N900evil> at least not easily
Jan 01 02:50:27 <n900user> Also google maps is hard to use- no dragging. Cant street view
Jan 01 02:50:34 <N900evil> the tools are not there
Jan 01 02:50:57 <N900evil> drag from left edge into browser window
Jan 01 02:51:06 <N900evil> tap pointer
Jan 01 02:51:09 <N900evil> drag
Jan 01 02:51:15 <n900user> Don't mean to complain just looking to improve it. I'll make a list later
Jan 01 02:51:26 <n900user> Ah i'll try it.
Jan 01 02:52:34 <shinkamui> granted, I love the fact that the browser is so powerful
Jan 01 02:52:43 <shinkamui> but I HATE doing stuff in the browser
Jan 01 02:53:13 <shinkamui> maybe the iBone changed my way of thinking, but I actually prefer dedicated apps for some things, like google maps and facebook
Jan 01 02:53:38 <n900user> Yes
Jan 01 02:53:53 <timeless_mbp> n900user: did you try it?
Jan 01 02:53:54 <n900user> Dedicated apps needed
Jan 01 02:54:32 <n900user> Couldn't drag still. Tap the resize icon first?
Jan 01 02:54:56 <pupnik> is zip/unzip not ready for promotion timeless_mbp ?
Jan 01 02:55:05 <n900user> Or the top left of browser?
Jan 01 02:55:06 <timeless_mbp> pupnik: dunno
Jan 01 02:55:15 <pupnik> k i'll check em
Jan 01 02:55:16 <timeless_mbp> n900user: try following directions
Jan 01 02:55:44 <timeless_mbp> drag from the left _screen_ edge _right_ into the browser window
Jan 01 02:56:03 <timeless_mbp> tap the cursor icon you see at the bottom left corner of the browser content area
Jan 01 02:57:50 <n900user> Yes that did it..
Jan 01 02:57:56 <n900user> Thanks!
Jan 01 02:58:54 <auenf> anyone tried pairing a n900 to a euro focus/mondeo stereo?
Jan 01 02:58:59 <n900user> This phone just became a lot cooler
Jan 01 02:59:03 <auenf> i have to have more luck than the irish to get the n810 to pait
Jan 01 02:59:06 <auenf> pair
Jan 01 02:59:53 <n900user> What would be involved in getting a app say irssi into the repository?
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