**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 04 02:59:57 2010 Jan 04 02:59:59 even the n900 probably has multiple different frontend chips already Jan 04 03:00:38 yes, but there are chipsets that can handle both sets of US 3g freqs already, and the cost diff between the two is trivial. Jan 04 03:00:49 well just add a connector which is screwed (or even only crimped!) to the pcb wouldnt cost a arm and a leg and make this much more reliable than surface soldering only Jan 04 03:01:23 i think the stupid thing is the cable tbh Jan 04 03:01:29 look at the lever-arm Jan 04 03:01:41 jX Jan 04 03:01:56 the usb thing on the device is horribly attached Jan 04 03:02:03 solder and copper surface on the pcb are not made for mechanical stress Jan 04 03:02:10 right, bingo Jan 04 03:02:10 any actual handsets with those chipsets? Jan 04 03:02:15 so eliminate the source of stress Jan 04 03:02:33 or at least tie down the connector Jan 04 03:02:58 jX: those chipsets aren't nokia chipsets, and they are heavily patented and expensive, even if the manufacturing cost is low Jan 04 03:03:30 even if they are nokia chipsets, they're using a lot of qualcomm patents Jan 04 03:03:58 that's where all the cost of the phone goes, patent licensing to recover R&D Jan 04 03:04:53 amazinly, I know that as well. But I'm going to stop now, since the point here was the cost difference btween one part and another, and it doesn't seem I'm comunicating that well. Jan 04 03:05:21 it isn't a direct replacement part Jan 04 03:05:27 gotcha. Jan 04 03:05:31 it's the cost between putting in an additional front end chip, and not Jan 04 03:05:48 and also licensing all the extra patents Jan 04 03:05:51 right Jan 04 03:06:36 jX, also, if they're not available in any other phone right now, then they probably didn't exist when Nokia was finalizing the N900 design Jan 04 03:06:41 sure thing Jan 04 03:07:07 in other news: I asked a t-mo USA employee and he seems to think t-mo will be selling them at some point in the nearish future Jan 04 03:07:13 GAN900: if you can't get to the repos, just point here: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ :P Jan 04 03:07:22 the provider situation in USA is not what one could call 'a competitive market' Jan 04 03:07:38 there was no such thing as half a dozen blackberry phones over the past 2 years that work on both 3G networks. nope. Jan 04 03:07:38 I highly doubt he has any kind of serious inside access, so take it with a grain of salt, but he seemed convinced at least Jan 04 03:07:51 not even cheap ones meant to expand blackberry's footprint in the consumer segment. Jan 04 03:07:58 hence, no chipsets at anything like a reasonable price. Jan 04 03:08:13 jX, ah. I didn't know that. (sarcasm deserved though) Jan 04 03:08:14 it may even be the case that it just can't be done with current chipsets, i mean HTC make two version of all their 3g phones, there must be a reason for that Jan 04 03:08:15 OH WAYT Jan 04 03:08:22 basically one for US and one for everyone else Jan 04 03:08:29 a phone mfgr making special models for certain providers is uncool Jan 04 03:08:48 ali1234: Yeah, there is, three pennies per unit across 5 million units adds up Jan 04 03:08:50 I gett hat Jan 04 03:08:52 pupnik, uncool, but very common Jan 04 03:08:55 w/e. Jan 04 03:08:56 however, this isn't a low cost unit Jan 04 03:09:01 US is not the biggest market for nokia Jan 04 03:09:04 never will be Jan 04 03:09:05 it's unsubsidised, with endusers bearing all the burden Jan 04 03:09:07 and never was. Jan 04 03:09:14 an extra threecents per unit is bearable to the market Jan 04 03:10:18 but it's not an extra three cents Jan 04 03:10:28 even assuming it is possible, three cents per unit is nowhere near the actual cost Jan 04 03:10:32 so stop whine ;-) Jan 04 03:10:33 dsaddsdsdd;] Jan 04 03:10:40 Ofc is not. Jan 04 03:10:41 oh for christ's sake. Does anyone here grasp the concept of a generalization? Jan 04 03:10:51 jX, so why do you think Nokia didn't do it in the case of the N900 (or any of their other phones)? Jan 04 03:11:00 jX: well as I said i work with semiconductors, and its not only cost of the hardware. Jan 04 03:11:03 further, does anyone have anything ot offer other than irrelevant and obvious statements? Jan 04 03:11:06 ANY chip change = redesign Jan 04 03:11:15 matt_c: Please, shut up. Everyone knows this. Jan 04 03:11:22 matthew-, Nokia's market share in the US is, sadly, completely deserved. Jan 04 03:11:23 that and that the us isn't nokia's bigget market Jan 04 03:11:34 GAN900: It was never a focus. Jan 04 03:11:51 jX: well stop making idiotic statements then. Jan 04 03:11:58 stupid question = stupid answer. Jan 04 03:11:59 he makes a good point Jan 04 03:12:00 I haven't been Jan 04 03:12:07 that was somewhat idiotic Jan 04 03:12:22 04:09 < jX> an extra threecents per unit is bearable to the market Jan 04 03:12:24 I think Nokia has about as big a share in the US market as they can get considering their carrier relations, and the carrier's practices Jan 04 03:12:28 its extra manhours Jan 04 03:12:32 bla bla bla Jan 04 03:12:38 Nokia needs to release an update that keeps the N900 from crashing and being a buggy piece of crap before it can compete in any market Jan 04 03:12:38 :| Jan 04 03:12:47 matthew-: you'd be surprisde how little manhour difference there would have been for a compatible part. Jan 04 03:12:52 stable here Jan 04 03:12:57 ditto Jan 04 03:13:03 jX: well I wouldnt. I work with them for years now. Jan 04 03:13:05 jX, answer for my question? Jan 04 03:13:17 And I know exactly how electronics life-cycle works. Jan 04 03:13:21 seriously, when was the N900 even marketed as a mass market device Jan 04 03:13:31 it wasn't Jan 04 03:13:32 kamui2: It wasnt, and it wont be. Jan 04 03:13:33 it seems to me they knew from teh getgo it wasn't goign to be ready for the sheep Jan 04 03:13:35 johnx: isn't it obvious? They decided the US+AT&T segment was too small to bother with. Jan 04 03:13:38 here's the thing. nokia could have put in the extra chip, at a cost of perhaps an extra $50 per unit, plus an extra 6 months delay. and the extra US sales would dwarf the number of sales lost globally because of that. Jan 04 03:13:40 wasn't cost effective from their view Jan 04 03:13:43 It's not iPhone competitor, as most of people say. Jan 04 03:13:56 so why are we even debating this Jan 04 03:14:00 jX, that doesn't make much sense if it's really as cheap as you say, does it? Jan 04 03:14:10 blender on the iphone? :) Jan 04 03:14:16 kamui2: An excelletn question. I merely bitched. Jan 04 03:14:17 I think Nokia was more surprised that it got as much reaction as it did. Jan 04 03:14:20 cehteh, iphone in a blender? Jan 04 03:14:22 ali1234: well, see it wouldnt because in 6 months the chips that they've put in wouldn't be such a good choice Jan 04 03:14:30 kamui2: Then several people decied to illuminate us that grass is green. Jan 04 03:14:30 johnx: I've seen that Jan 04 03:14:35 johnx: actually seen that :P willitblend.com Jan 04 03:14:39 johnx: I have sent in a request to blendtek to review the n900. Jan 04 03:14:39 cehteh it was a typo, I fixed it. Jan 04 03:14:50 cehteh: but not before it spread all over the internet :) Jan 04 03:15:00 which im surprised its on as many sites less than 10 hours later as it is Jan 04 03:15:04 i considered buying a blendtek to put my n900 in Jan 04 03:15:04 ali1234: I fyou really think it'd have been an extra $50 per unit then you really need to stop talking and go look at integration costs. Jan 04 03:15:10 dmj7261: It's cause of Maemo hype. Jan 04 03:15:23 and being first 'geeky friendly' phone Jan 04 03:15:28 dude, I give up, my wifi just aint working Jan 04 03:15:34 seems to be just on the phone too Jan 04 03:15:36 Pavlov: I'm sure dolske would love to drop it in the blender :) Jan 04 03:16:01 is powertop in any of the standard repos? Jan 04 03:16:05 matthew: you just described why I got one. Jan 04 03:16:29 jX: You are retarded. The cost of putting an extra chip (if not implemented in the first design) would actually be around 50usd/handset. and millions in losses in a few months sales. Jan 04 03:16:35 dmj7261: Same. Jan 04 03:16:45 Android didnt work for me. Jan 04 03:16:46 I was blown away when when my laptop drive started making wierd noises, I realised I could just install rsync and rsync over the files from my laptop. Jan 04 03:16:55 http://www.blendtec.com/willitblend/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=iphone Jan 04 03:17:04 matt_c: You're off your rocker. You're acting like it's a group up design, rather than a nearly identical part swap. Jan 04 03:17:06 er, matthew- Jan 04 03:17:15 * matt_c may be off his rocker as well :) Jan 04 03:17:17 We're NOT talking CDMA/GSM here people Jan 04 03:17:42 we're talking a quadband chip as opposed to a triband, and one badn is only 50mhz off Jan 04 03:17:49 Eh, in the USA you wouldn't even really want to use the other gsm network. Jan 04 03:17:52 we'r enot talking completely differetn tech of huge ranges Jan 04 03:17:59 (unless you already had an iphone) Jan 04 03:18:00 quinband Jan 04 03:18:06 queer band. Jan 04 03:18:29 jX: there is a quadband chip. Jan 04 03:18:36 I'm talking the UTMS transceiver Jan 04 03:18:38 ATT is not exactly known for their robust network Jan 04 03:18:41 not the GSM part Jan 04 03:18:45 router upgarde Jan 04 03:18:46 brb Jan 04 03:19:25 er, UMTS, typo Jan 04 03:19:30 it's bloody cold for virginia... Jan 04 03:19:31 yeah, but it already works just fine on tmobile and wouldn't work on cdma either way Jan 04 03:19:40 I AM NOT TALKING CDMA Jan 04 03:19:42 jX: Well, move away from US then :) Jan 04 03:19:42 jesus christ Jan 04 03:20:15 I know. Jan 04 03:20:25 maybe everyone here is just making assumptions. AT&T and TMobile both use GSM technologies. Both use identical frequencies too, except for the 3g service, which is about 50mhz apart. Jan 04 03:20:34 is atnt and tmobile usingdifferent bands? Jan 04 03:20:38 nokia chose to ignore (IIRC) teh 850 UTMS band Jan 04 03:20:38 I'm just saying that ATT is not that appealing unless you want an iphone Jan 04 03:20:43 AH. Jan 04 03:20:47 ok Jan 04 03:20:52 dmj7261: Or you already have AT&T Jan 04 03:21:01 so adding a chip to support att won't change much Jan 04 03:21:16 yeah, if you're stuck on ATT that sucks Jan 04 03:21:16 jX: cant u just move ur number/contract to another provider? Jan 04 03:21:24 * jX facepalms Jan 04 03:21:25 dmj7261: you are not listening to him Jan 04 03:21:35 :-) Jan 04 03:21:36 is there an IQ restriction on this channel I missed? Jan 04 03:21:46 wait, are you saying the N900 is not compatible with GSM on AT&T? Jan 04 03:21:47 jX: yes, you're well under it. Jan 04 03:21:47 dmj7261: there need not be added any chip, merely changed to one that supports one more frequency for the same gsm/3g technology Jan 04 03:21:48 You can move your number but you might have a hassle breaking contract Jan 04 03:21:53 ali1234: only 3g on att Jan 04 03:21:54 no but it seems this has descended into a pointless argument Jan 04 03:22:09 oh my god, redeeman: I LOVE YOU Jan 04 03:22:09 dmj7261: well, not in the UK. you can just 'move' your remaining time of the contract bla bla bla Jan 04 03:22:11 MARRY ME Jan 04 03:22:15 to different provider. Jan 04 03:22:23 jX: i have had some pretty baffling discussions inhere aswell.. Jan 04 03:22:41 Does maemo's implementation of SDL support the SDL_DOUBLEBUF video flag? Jan 04 03:22:43 redeeman: on 3g what? Jan 04 03:22:45 redeeman: Any second I expect Oompa Loompas to come marching through with a moral lesson in song. Jan 04 03:22:47 I know that he just wants the chip changed. I'm just saying that the market for such is small Jan 04 03:22:49 jX: is this chip also from broadcom ? Jan 04 03:22:57 redeeman: only 3g works? or only 3g doesn't work? Jan 04 03:22:59 that supports 850 ? Jan 04 03:23:00 ali1234: on AT&T, you won't get support for 3g Jan 04 03:23:06 n900 supports gsm and 2g on att but not 3g Jan 04 03:23:09 matthew-: I don't know what chips the n900 uses Jan 04 03:23:37 ali1234: Yes, it is, but it won't do UMTS on AT&T because of frequency issues. I'm using my 900 on AT&T right now. Jan 04 03:23:42 but no 3g speed unless I move to tmobile. Jan 04 03:23:43 Of course if you could upgrade it via drivers to do att 3g it would be totally worth it. Jan 04 03:23:46 which I MIGHT Jan 04 03:23:48 jX: well then i suggest looking at a roadmap of the chip that supports 850 AND 900 as opposed to the one that uses the 900 only. Jan 04 03:23:52 I ofc don't give a rats ass about at&t or any other american crappy carrier Jan 04 03:24:21 I'm liking some of Tmobile's recent moves. Jan 04 03:24:24 matthew-: And what do you think this will tell me? seriously, I'm not sure why you suggest this Jan 04 03:24:38 dmj7261: they do appear to be the most sane, using proper frequencies and all Jan 04 03:24:53 tmobile has great pricing too Jan 04 03:25:01 and encouraging unsubsidised phones without contracts Jan 04 03:25:01 but at&t's networkis faaster, sadlty. Jan 04 03:25:05 i hear they are a joke though, with crappy coverage and such Jan 04 03:25:09 jX: It may give you a suggestion to why they picked what they did. Jan 04 03:25:13 and being a lot less expesnive Jan 04 03:25:27 matthew-: As I Stated several days ago, I know why they did, a minor cost savings. Jan 04 03:25:31 I'm merely bitching about that. Jan 04 03:25:48 if there are smart people in the room, how can i hook up a midi keyboard to N900? ;) Jan 04 03:25:53 jX: i doubt they would make it for a 5c cost savings. Jan 04 03:26:03 jX: their policy is different. Jan 04 03:26:04 matthew-: Yes, as I states, that was an exxageration Jan 04 03:26:08 does the keyboard have bluetooth or usb host? Jan 04 03:26:11 even 1USD Jan 04 03:26:12 stated Jan 04 03:26:19 which it wouldnt be as much as 1$ Jan 04 03:26:21 pupnik: if you can find one with bluetooth... Jan 04 03:26:37 can't - needs to be cable/midi or usb Jan 04 03:26:42 jX: I'll make the effort and check it for you tomorrow. I've got BOM for n900 in my office. Jan 04 03:26:48 redeeman: proper frequencies? What makes 900mhz more proper than 850? Jan 04 03:26:56 pupnik: usbip might be an option Jan 04 03:26:59 jX: the civilized world uses those frequencies Jan 04 03:27:06 matthew-: For that I would be EXTREMELY grateful. I don't want to crack open my 900 Jan 04 03:27:07 * SpeedEvil steals matthews office. Jan 04 03:27:24 I've even looked at the repair manual, and teardowns, no one has high enough res pix Jan 04 03:27:26 * SpeedEvil wonders what he will do with the alligator. Jan 04 03:27:37 SpeedEvil: ;] Jan 04 03:27:41 pupnik: but you'd need a pc to actually hook it up, and use usbip to "proxy" it from the pc to the n900 Jan 04 03:27:54 redeeman: so, because Europe uses 900, that makes 850 wrong? Jan 04 03:27:56 pupnik: n900 has no usb by itself Jan 04 03:27:56 ah interesting Jan 04 03:28:00 I want to crack open my n900 and solder crap to it. Jan 04 03:28:13 Also work out the USB host thing. Jan 04 03:28:14 maybe n800 or 770 then Jan 04 03:28:16 SpeedEvil: a usb port! Jan 04 03:28:21 jX: No worries. We supplied all B and C class components to them for years now. Jan 04 03:28:42 and they do make 'weird' decisions from what I know, but when you look closer they're most sane ;-) Jan 04 03:28:46 jX: not just europe, as i said, the civilized world, it was merely a choice to be made, someone in !.us made the choice of 900, even one in .us made it, seems insane to not use it for at&t Jan 04 03:28:49 dmj7261: As far as I can tell the USB phy chip should support host mode, it's not implemented in the driver as I can see. Jan 04 03:28:55 and what like what, they're _not_ a cost cutting company. Jan 04 03:28:58 jX: well, given the state of USA cellular networks, anything other than what's used in europe might be considered wrong ;) Jan 04 03:29:14 SpeedEvil: so hacked driver + powered hub and win. :) Jan 04 03:29:15 SpeedEvil: what USB thing? Jan 04 03:29:17 jX: its one more example of the grotesk system which you have in the US, which is obviously the equivelant of a cavemans insane invention Jan 04 03:29:19 arachnist: ++ Jan 04 03:29:22 redeeman: yes, so the US is uncivilized. Thanks. Jan 04 03:29:29 jX: im afraid you are Jan 04 03:29:36 mhmm. Jan 04 03:29:39 matt: the twl4030 Jan 04 03:29:40 jX: and i can proove it Jan 04 03:29:44 please do. Jan 04 03:29:51 SpeedEvil: You feel like writing a driver? Jan 04 03:29:56 jX: very well.. but i shall privmsg it to you as to not be offtopic inhere Jan 04 03:29:57 matt: I forget the equivalent part with released specs. Jan 04 03:30:09 SpeedEvil: tab pls! :D Jan 04 03:30:14 dmj7261: I feel like investigating what the issues are. Jan 04 03:30:15 I'll grant that the cell infrastructure in the US is dumb. Jan 04 03:30:20 ? Jan 04 03:30:29 SpeedEvil: tab my whole nick so ill get highlight ;D Jan 04 03:30:54 matthew-: ah Jan 04 03:30:59 diddn't realise I was doing that Jan 04 03:31:00 jX: in europe you can buy a phone in spain, go to poland and you can be sure that everything the phone supports will work in poland (unless it's some phone-firmware and operator specific feature) Jan 04 03:31:15 its like that in the US too Jan 04 03:31:24 arachnist: Yes, I'm aware, you can do that here too unles syou buy a CDMA phone from sprint or verizon Jan 04 03:31:26 you go from flordia to georgia to alabama, and your phone works Jan 04 03:31:36 Pavlov: except if you change carriers, you're screwed Jan 04 03:31:53 Pavlov: except both florida, georgia and alabama are in the same country Jan 04 03:31:54 ;) Jan 04 03:32:12 matthew-: well, sure, but they're also as big as many countries in europe ;p Jan 04 03:32:17 and asn Pavlov said you're using same careers. Jan 04 03:32:22 I'll grant that the cell infrastructure in the US is dumb. <-- telstra has been complaining about the US cell infrastructure in their ads for 15yrs Jan 04 03:32:37 Pavlov: Ok, lets put it this way. you buy a phone in Russia or Japan and it works in Europe Jan 04 03:32:40 and not in US :D Jan 04 03:32:49 in Japan? Jan 04 03:32:51 really? Jan 04 03:32:51 dmj7261: It's possible that I will find some show-stopper. But so far, I can't see one. As I can understand it, the twl4030 is the USB phy for the SoC, and the USB is in fact connected to it, and it supports host mode. Jan 04 03:32:52 japan? Jan 04 03:32:55 yah. Jan 04 03:32:59 err, doesnt japan use a propriatory network Jan 04 03:33:01 ? Jan 04 03:33:02 it will only support 3G Jan 04 03:33:02 japan is wierd Jan 04 03:33:03 but still. Jan 04 03:33:15 auenf: they have _only_ 3G Jan 04 03:33:20 wcdma is japan Jan 04 03:33:36 japan is another story Jan 04 03:33:39 * Pavlov thinks one of the people in this conversation doesn't quite know what they're talking about Jan 04 03:33:39 SpeedEvil: figured out how to handle power on the usb port? .. Jan 04 03:33:53 still will work :D Jan 04 03:34:01 they've had FTTH links for quite some time now Jan 04 03:34:11 cehteh: I'm assuming external cable. Jan 04 03:34:26 cehteh: the twl* does have a charge pump, but I'm not sure it's implemented Jan 04 03:34:38 (as in the required capacitor is connected) Jan 04 03:34:39 Pavlov: well they use what, pdc, cdma and wcdma. Jan 04 03:34:51 hey maybe you can power the usb port and charge the device at the same time .. pepetuum mobile! :) Jan 04 03:35:04 cehteh: probably. Jan 04 03:35:05 Pavlov: do you can get an european phone that supports 3g and take it to japan. It will work. American one from atnt wont. Jan 04 03:35:07 cehteh: err - no Jan 04 03:35:11 Pavlov: and the other way around. Jan 04 03:35:26 SpeedEvil: exactly that the problem if you power it up it might fry something Jan 04 03:35:32 cehteh: you can probably charge while in USB host mode Jan 04 03:35:36 matt_c: Actually, no, I CAN buy some handsets from american carriers and take them worldwide Jan 04 03:35:40 sorry, i lost interest Jan 04 03:35:42 er, matthew- Jan 04 03:35:42 cehteh: and externally powered. Jan 04 03:35:45 this conversation is silly Jan 04 03:36:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScThCYgEm7g&feature=related Jan 04 03:36:20 jX: I still dont understand why atnt would use 850 Jan 04 03:36:32 matthew-: Regulatory issues, sadly. Jan 04 03:36:38 ah. Jan 04 03:36:40 they didn't have much choice. Jan 04 03:36:51 That's kinda idiocracy there again. Jan 04 03:36:58 are all other networks 900 ? Jan 04 03:36:58 matthew-, 850 is used in australia too Jan 04 03:37:04 but only by 1 provider Jan 04 03:37:08 auenf: Oh i dont know anything about ozzies. Jan 04 03:37:25 word to heard Jan 04 03:37:27 everyone else uses 2100 Jan 04 03:37:43 yea, 2100mhz is a satellite freq in the US Jan 04 03:37:51 and they couldn't even standardize an alternative here Jan 04 03:37:54 :( Jan 04 03:38:06 err, isnt it a DOD band? Jan 04 03:38:47 what about Verizon ? Jan 04 03:38:51 jX: ^^ Jan 04 03:38:58 Verizon and Sprint are CDMA Jan 04 03:38:59 verizon is cdma? Jan 04 03:39:00 not GSM Jan 04 03:39:12 no clue about their freqs Jan 04 03:39:27 ah ok Jan 04 03:39:38 Different from the rest of the world as usual I think, but I'm not 100% sure. Jan 04 03:39:59 most cdma networks have been (or going to) be shut down Jan 04 03:40:17 telstra's 850 umts network used to be cdma Jan 04 03:40:21 auenf: And that is why? Jan 04 03:41:11 iI believe sprint and vzw are just 1900mhz pcs Jan 04 03:41:28 with most devices able to roam on 800mhz Jan 04 03:41:49 is sprint nextel ? Jan 04 03:41:55 shinkamui: sprint is only 1900, verizon is both Jan 04 03:41:57 more like nextel is now sprint Jan 04 03:42:03 sprint bought nextel Jan 04 03:42:06 zsoc: that make ssense Jan 04 03:42:11 yeah yeah Jan 04 03:42:22 matthew-: nextel is a separate iden frequency, 100 year old garbage Jan 04 03:42:22 they never managed to merge the iden tech Jan 04 03:42:30 ha ha ha Jan 04 03:42:33 Can we argue about iDEN while we're at it? Jan 04 03:42:36 sextel Jan 04 03:43:22 matt_c, sure. no iden on the n900 = dealbreaker Jan 04 03:43:34 why not AMPS? Jan 04 03:43:39 AMPS FOREVER Jan 04 03:44:10 and it doesn't work with my 49MHz fisher-price walkie-talkies Jan 04 03:44:17 NMT... Jan 04 03:44:46 <|R> can't wait to get a general transmitter 0-2Ghz with GnuRadio by Nokia ;-) Jan 04 03:44:54 <|R> 2/3 Jan 04 03:45:02 it better run proper Linux, not a fork, too! Jan 04 03:45:13 none of this "compiling' nonsense either! Jan 04 03:45:14 mmmm, ForkOS Jan 04 03:45:31 jX, lies! pre-compiled binaries are a tool of the devil. Jan 04 03:45:40 agreed! Jan 04 03:45:49 <|R> hehe, can you trust trust? Jan 04 03:45:50 I want my Nokia GnuRadio to run RAW SOURCE CODE Jan 04 03:46:05 i keep hitting something that brings up 'contacts'... any ideas? Jan 04 03:46:05 C interpreter? Jan 04 03:46:13 pupnik, you're hitting the keyboard Jan 04 03:46:16 stop doing that Jan 04 03:46:25 sometimes it comes up when i jostle device Jan 04 03:46:27 i'm serious Jan 04 03:46:54 dont jostle it! Jan 04 03:47:00 doesn't it say not to jostle, shake, fold, spindle or mutilate right in the manual? Jan 04 03:47:13 to not taunt happy fun 900 Jan 04 03:47:14 i thought that was part of my testing duties ;) Jan 04 03:47:16 s/to/do/ Jan 04 03:47:18 jX meant: do not taunt happy fun 900 Jan 04 03:47:20 lol johnx Jan 04 03:47:23 jx Jan 04 03:47:45 well clicking on amazon video hung it Jan 04 03:47:51 but yeah, if you hit any key on the keyboard while not in a text field, it will bring up the contacts app Jan 04 03:48:02 that's it? really? Jan 04 03:48:09 >_< Jan 04 03:48:12 well, it's certainly my first guess Jan 04 03:48:37 I'd *dearly* like to disable that Jan 04 03:49:58 thanks johnx - that is an amazing design choice :) Jan 04 03:50:52 Night all Jan 04 03:50:57 it's most annoying when I open something like SMS or IM and start typing before it fully appears and focuses the text field Jan 04 03:50:58 'night SpeedEvil Jan 04 03:51:12 Goodnight, SpeedEvil Jan 04 03:51:19 I am trying to port a gtk+ application to maemo 5. The application uses gtk_spin_button widgets to set some numerical values. The does not seem to work with maemo 5 - the up/down arrows do not appear, and the text field cannot be properly modified by keyboard input. Does maemo 5 use some other widget for this, or is there something I can do to make gtk_spin_buttons work properly? Jan 04 03:51:25 Good luck, and I hope that you've all implemented voice control and gesture recognition byt the time I wake up. Jan 04 03:51:43 BTW, if someone knows. Jan 04 03:52:19 While plugging the device to a large LCD screen, the screen is very dark Jan 04 03:52:42 and if i set the device display on highest brightness the color looks shit on the TV Jan 04 03:54:57 KenYoung, do you have an N900 to play with? or are you just working in the SDK? Jan 04 03:55:28 johnx, I've got an N900, and I've got the SDK working too. Jan 04 03:56:01 johnx, In the SDK, the Spin Buttons work properly, but not on the actual N900. Jan 04 03:57:45 johnx, Some parts of the keyboard interaction work on the N900, for example the arrow keys and delete key. But I am unable to type in explicit numeric values into the text box of the Spin Button. Jan 04 03:57:46 sorry, I'm not much of a gtk guy and I can't picture what you're talking about exactly. Is this the kind of widget that typically has a number in it which you can either type in manually or adjust with the up/down arrows? Jan 04 03:58:08 johnx, Yes, that's exactly what it is. Jan 04 03:58:29 I can't picture any other app on the N900 using it, so I'm not really sure what that means ... Jan 04 03:59:19 for date/time they tend to pop-up a new window with a kineticly scrolled list of all numbers in the acceptable range Jan 04 04:00:32 johnx, Yup, I may have to go that way, although I personally think that is cumbersome. Jan 04 04:00:41 it is for some things I think Jan 04 04:00:54 but it seems to work well for selecting times and dates Jan 04 04:01:19 errr, and I'm not sure if this will help you track down gtk_spin_button, but there is a little known cross-reference here: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/ Jan 04 04:01:23 johnx, Not so much for arbitrary floating point values, though. Jan 04 04:01:58 johnx, Thanks for the pointer! Jan 04 04:02:05 yeah. you could have an individual 0-9 kinetic list for each place (joking of course :D ) Jan 04 04:02:34 may I ask what this is for? Jan 04 04:02:58 anyone know what db the calendar uses to store data is? Jan 04 04:03:00 sqlite? Jan 04 04:03:52 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Changes#Calendar_Backend Jan 04 04:04:07 thanks! Jan 04 04:04:34 While plugging the device to a large LCD screen, the screen is very dark Jan 04 04:04:38 and if i set the device display on highest brightness the color looks shit on the TV Jan 04 04:04:41 :D Jan 04 04:04:45 dude, it's built off iCalendar Jan 04 04:04:50 but doesn't have iCal support Jan 04 04:04:57 that's, amazing Jan 04 04:05:09 caldav i mean Jan 04 04:06:42 mza: iCal => google cal => n900 Jan 04 04:06:43 ;] Jan 04 04:07:01 seriously! Jan 04 04:07:18 why not ? Jan 04 04:07:31 what? Jan 04 04:07:35 matthew-, yup. saw that the first time. I still don't have an answer Jan 04 04:07:41 johnx: ;] Jan 04 04:09:41 Is there any RSS on maemo.org ? Jan 04 04:09:55 i mean the talk.maemo.org Jan 04 04:10:23 ya Jan 04 04:10:41 matthew-: http://talk.maemo.org/external.php?forumid=44 Jan 04 04:11:21 to get N900 forum, for example. Look at other forumid's to get whichever ones you want. It's a bit borked because if someone posts the follow up post you *always* get the first post in the thread in your feed Jan 04 04:11:43 yh ok Jan 04 04:13:30 jebba: and any good RSS reader for maemo? Jan 04 04:13:52 google.com/reader/i Jan 04 04:14:12 i rather a standalone app Jan 04 04:14:33 it comes with one built-in I believe Jan 04 04:16:34 matthew-: ya, it comes with one, but i only used it once. I read it on my laptop Jan 04 04:16:41 so i dont know offhand Jan 04 04:18:24 shit the google voice plugin shows up again Jan 04 04:18:27 but it still seems borked Jan 04 04:18:30 wont ever sign in Jan 04 04:19:03 oh well, Im about to go through hell by adding jabber with my transports to n900's im services Jan 04 04:19:11 that will be about 2 hours of contact merging :) Jan 04 04:19:47 'night all. Jan 04 04:23:38 shinkamui, Telepathy Extras? Jan 04 04:23:43 yea Jan 04 04:23:53 and anything to show bat life in %% Jan 04 04:23:56 or time left ? Jan 04 04:24:10 matthew-, time left is complete meaningless Jan 04 04:24:20 lshal | grep battery Jan 04 04:26:21 gez i love linux on a mobile Jan 04 04:30:32 What package is NMAP in? Jan 04 04:31:30 nmap Jan 04 04:31:36 if it's available at all Jan 04 04:32:07 then its not :( Jan 04 04:32:13 also, the "host" command Jan 04 04:34:59 what exactly is that supposed to do? Jan 04 04:35:11 bind-utils has 'dig' Jan 04 04:35:52 example: Jan 04 04:36:06 AakashPatel:~ AakashPatel$ host 69.69.69.69 Jan 04 04:36:07 69.69.69.69.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer the-coolest-ip-on-the-net.com. Jan 04 04:37:01 dig -x 69.69.69.69 Jan 04 04:37:12 oh Jan 04 04:37:14 thats cool. Jan 04 04:37:50 lulz Jan 04 04:37:57 -sh dig: not found Jan 04 04:43:19 ali1234: 500 ps1 games in cds. http://cgi.ebay.de/Uber-500-PS1-Spiele-Riesige-Sammlung-lesen-PS1_W0QQitemZ360217490416QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGro%C3%9Fhandelsposten?hash=item53dea2b3f0 ;) Jan 04 04:44:43 holy shit Jan 04 04:44:50 oh my Jan 04 04:45:11 Aakash: [22:35:09] bind-utils has 'dig' Jan 04 04:45:21 i swera i just insatlled it Jan 04 04:46:16 oh nvm Jan 04 04:46:18 diff package Jan 04 04:46:21 but its not in extras Jan 04 04:46:49 uhh Jan 04 04:46:53 is it in the repo's at all? Jan 04 04:47:01 `bind-utils` Jan 04 04:47:27 complain to all those n00bs who claim Maemo is Debian Jan 04 04:47:42 Omg Jan 04 04:47:46 I was lied to??! Jan 04 04:47:49 * Aakash takes out the knife Jan 04 04:50:09 i could just recompile it...right? Jan 04 04:50:17 good luck Jan 04 04:50:20 o.O Jan 04 04:50:44 don't expect it to be trivial Jan 04 04:50:53 you don't need to be an expert, but it's not likely to be simple Jan 04 04:51:25 * Aakash looks up the dependencies for bind-utils Jan 04 04:52:32 the "host" package is in the repos Jan 04 04:52:59 oh it is Jan 04 04:52:59 if that helps Jan 04 04:53:03 lol Jan 04 04:53:15 wtf hha Jan 04 04:53:24 i *swear* i did a search for it Jan 04 04:53:31 i think i need some sleep :/ Jan 04 04:55:36 looks like nmap may be in extras-testing Jan 04 04:58:18 wonder if anyone is working on porting qemu Jan 04 04:58:30 qemu to n900 Jan 04 04:58:31 oh my Jan 04 04:58:44 would be neat Jan 04 04:58:50 and slowww lol Jan 04 04:59:06 haha run windowsxp in a vm Jan 04 04:59:08 shouldn't be that slow, qemu does dynamic recompilation to native arch Jan 04 04:59:42 villager: it would be slow Jan 04 04:59:49 N900 has 3D accel Jan 04 04:59:51 closed Jan 04 04:59:57 no way qemu would be able to virtualize it Jan 04 05:00:05 ouch Jan 04 05:00:10 I HAZ TEH OPEN DEVICE Jan 04 05:00:12 yarite Jan 04 05:00:28 ... Jan 04 05:00:36 made the same mistake I did, huh? Jan 04 05:00:46 Yeah. Jan 04 05:01:12 * Aakash ^5's luke-jr Jan 04 05:01:22 does it have to virtualize it? if it can emulate a linux-x86 on linux-armel then it could use the native libgl, I think qemu is designed to be able to do that Jan 04 05:01:40 then we could run wine-x86 Jan 04 05:01:53 that could exhaust the ram though Jan 04 05:01:55 villager: that's user-mode qemu Jan 04 05:02:02 it doesn't run a system Jan 04 05:02:08 yes? that's my point Jan 04 05:02:17 it wouldn't be emulating a N900 :p Jan 04 05:02:28 you could only run the apps Jan 04 05:02:35 and only ones that don't care Jan 04 05:02:37 I don't want to emulate n900, I want it to run *on* n900 Jan 04 05:03:06 eh Jan 04 05:03:10 what are you talking about now? Jan 04 05:03:17 Lol Jan 04 05:03:20 using qemu to emulate an x86 nmap? Jan 04 05:03:23 seriously? Jan 04 05:03:25 no Jan 04 05:03:32 he wants to emulate x86 on the device Jan 04 05:03:34 >.> Jan 04 05:03:37 this isn't about nmap Jan 04 05:03:56 O.o Jan 04 05:04:01 more like running WinCE apps on the device Jan 04 05:04:11 dynarec doesn't mean fast Jan 04 05:04:14 VMWare claims to support that insanity Jan 04 05:04:33 pwnguin: "fast" is relative. dynarec means fast for an emulator Jan 04 05:04:41 villager: dosbox is available Jan 04 05:04:46 or run standard x86 windows desktop apps for that matter Jan 04 05:05:00 pwnguin: I know Jan 04 05:06:19 villager: you mean non-standard >:) Jan 04 05:06:23 or I could try to run the linux-x86 version of google earth on the n900 or something Jan 04 05:06:25 who needs Windows crap? Jan 04 05:06:31 would probably not work though Jan 04 05:06:38 FUCK YEAH Jan 04 05:06:39 WINDOWS Jan 04 05:06:52 probably would, actually Jan 04 05:06:52 IIRC Google Earth is just Qt Jan 04 05:07:03 Yeah Jan 04 05:07:10 * luke-jr beats Aakash with excalibolg Jan 04 05:07:22 Hehehe Jan 04 05:07:30 wth's a n excalibolg Jan 04 05:08:09 <.< Jan 04 05:08:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ELRZ08hNaU Jan 04 05:08:38 Oh god Jan 04 05:09:08 XD Jan 04 05:09:22 Haha Jan 04 05:09:32 luke-jr: what other devices do you own? Jan 04 05:09:35 Mobile* Jan 04 05:09:46 besides the oh-so-open n900 Jan 04 05:09:47 >.< Jan 04 05:09:51 don't have n900 Jan 04 05:09:56 ? what u hvae Jan 04 05:09:58 N810 and C760 Jan 04 05:10:01 ah Jan 04 05:10:09 I was quite happy with C760, though it shipped more closed than N810 Jan 04 05:10:43 Im in the mood to d o soething crazy with my n900 Jan 04 05:10:47 like rm -rf / Jan 04 05:10:48 or something Jan 04 05:10:59 Aakash: how about mailing it to me? ;) Jan 04 05:11:06 haha yarite Jan 04 05:11:16 My other phone is somewhere lost in my house Jan 04 05:11:22 <.< Jan 04 05:11:23 ADP1 Jan 04 05:12:11 I've been so close to buying a N900 the last few days Jan 04 05:12:28 but I probably won't. Fool me twice, shame on me... Jan 04 05:12:30 Do it Jan 04 05:12:32 why? Jan 04 05:12:36 Just cuz Jan 04 05:12:39 -.- Jan 04 05:12:46 Or get that Nexus One haha Jan 04 05:12:52 I would have gotten it over this one if it had a keyboard Jan 04 05:12:54 it's missing a keyboard or I probably would Jan 04 05:13:00 haha Jan 04 05:13:19 >.< Jan 04 05:13:35 512 MB RAM would be sweet Jan 04 05:13:38 Yeah Jan 04 05:13:41 1GHz mothafucka Jan 04 05:13:47 XD Jan 04 05:13:57 I would just be scared of the closedness Jan 04 05:14:02 qualcomm is mucho unfriendly Jan 04 05:14:10 True Jan 04 05:14:24 But I dont see us having N900 drivers falling out of the sky either Jan 04 05:14:34 no? Jan 04 05:14:49 Oh dude its kinda open Jan 04 05:14:50 I've been given the impression that most of N900 is mainlined :p Jan 04 05:14:54 Like the bootloaders unlocked and tsuff Jan 04 05:15:01 that's not open at all -.- Jan 04 05:15:08 that's just GPL compliance Jan 04 05:15:15 :P for an android devices its heaven Jan 04 05:15:24 oh, you mean the Nexus Jan 04 05:15:25 what do i do if my required libs re not in extras Jan 04 05:15:32 yeah lol Jan 04 05:15:35 pupnik: freak out and run for your life Jan 04 05:15:42 I agree with luke-jr Jan 04 05:15:44 Aakash: how about the hardware tho? Jan 04 05:16:03 What do you mean... Jan 04 05:16:07 meh, without a keyboard it doesn't matter Jan 04 05:16:11 Yeah Jan 04 05:16:11 true Jan 04 05:16:13 I don't want a stupid phone Jan 04 05:16:15 I want a handheld Jan 04 05:16:19 Werd. Jan 04 05:16:23 Oh wait..N900 offers that Jan 04 05:16:24 :0 Jan 04 05:16:31 ? Jan 04 05:16:37 Handheld lol Jan 04 05:16:42 only in theory Jan 04 05:16:45 but in theory, N810 did too Jan 04 05:16:49 True. Jan 04 05:17:08 * Aakash thinks it would be cool to port android userspace to n900 Jan 04 05:17:09 are they going to port maemo 6 to the n900 when it comes out? Jan 04 05:17:13 or is that still secret Jan 04 05:17:16 aziwoqpd: sekrit Jan 04 05:17:23 Aakash: not practical, and besides, Android sucks Jan 04 05:17:25 curse those finns Jan 04 05:17:29 aziwoqpd: "no" Jan 04 05:17:33 the official word is no Jan 04 05:17:35 luke-jr: at least it has apps :/ Jan 04 05:17:44 Aakash: so does KDE 4? Jan 04 05:17:44 aww really, luke-jr ? Jan 04 05:17:50 sheepbat: that's what I hear Jan 04 05:17:55 it's not going to have the hardware to support 6? Jan 04 05:18:00 orly? Jan 04 05:18:03 "no" Jan 04 05:18:03 I'm just repeating the stuff others say here Jan 04 05:18:05 well, officialy, I'm sure.. Jan 04 05:18:07 ahh, okay Jan 04 05:18:28 quite frankly, I probably don't care to find out for sure Jan 04 05:18:36 since I will likely never touch a N900 Jan 04 05:18:37 :p Jan 04 05:18:42 You should Jan 04 05:18:46 So we can "collaborate" Jan 04 05:18:48 >.> Jan 04 05:18:58 HEY LEWK...I CAN HAZ BACON Jan 04 05:19:24 wtf is up with my comp Jan 04 05:19:26 so slowowww Jan 04 05:19:32 Aakash: buy me one then Jan 04 05:19:47 haha of course....firefox-bin Jan 04 05:19:53 I'm too pissed at Nokia to give them any money Jan 04 05:20:03 Why? Jan 04 05:20:06 Openness? Jan 04 05:20:13 I've already invested far over $500 in time trying to get my N810 to work as they advertised Jan 04 05:20:44 heh Jan 04 05:21:16 I have no reason to trust their claims about N900. Jan 04 05:21:24 True Jan 04 05:21:28 and I don't feel like spending more time/$ investigating the git trees to verify them Jan 04 05:21:47 XXXX has confirmed you as a friend on facebook" Jan 04 05:21:49 [21:17] Aakash: not practical, and besides, Android sucks .. +1 Jan 04 05:21:54 Great, thanks facebook...i dont give a shit Jan 04 05:22:13 lol swc|666 Jan 04 05:22:45 swc|666: don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Maemo either :P Jan 04 05:23:07 Heh,in Android, the Google integration is what got me Jan 04 05:23:11 luke-jr, i hear that, but @ least maemo is linux Jan 04 05:23:17 ..so is android Jan 04 05:23:20 * luke-jr hates Google. Jan 04 05:23:26 swc|666: Maemo is not Linux Jan 04 05:23:29 luke-jr: you bing? Jan 04 05:23:30 >.< Jan 04 05:23:37 Linux is linux Jan 04 05:23:38 Maemo is a distribution built upon a fork of Linux Jan 04 05:23:38 :0 Jan 04 05:23:41 or at least Maemo4 was Jan 04 05:23:47 helluvalot more linux than android is Jan 04 05:23:52 supposedly Maemo5 is better and might actually run Linux someday Jan 04 05:24:31 hmm Jan 04 05:24:49 I really should call Nokia Care, complain about the not-as-advertised stuff, and see if they'll give me a refund <.< Jan 04 05:24:57 LOL Jan 04 05:25:00 I really should Jan 04 05:25:04 I could probably still get one Jan 04 05:25:25 Aakash: what about your N900 isn't as advertised, if you don't mind me asking? :p Jan 04 05:25:34 lemme think a bit Jan 04 05:25:52 IIRC, they admit it's still incomplete on the software side, so can't really complain it doesn't run mainline Linux yet Jan 04 05:26:37 LOL if you look at the features on the N900 page Jan 04 05:26:40 they're basic features Jan 04 05:27:04 well, ones that literally *have* to be in it Jan 04 05:27:45 does it at least have pull IM/email Jan 04 05:27:48 or is it nokia messaging only Jan 04 05:27:50 still Jan 04 05:27:52 Aakash: link? Jan 04 05:28:04 http://maemo.nokia.com/features/ Jan 04 05:28:07 maybe falcons eye offers some hints on how to throw away the ui for tome, angband, zangband Jan 04 05:28:08 The ones listed on here Jan 04 05:28:15 at the bottom Jan 04 05:28:31 aziwoqpd: i use IMAP with Gmail right now Jan 04 05:28:39 Aakash: so true Jan 04 05:28:50 Aakash: most of the false advertising is on blogs IIRC Jan 04 05:28:55 yeah Jan 04 05:28:56 and the crap they feed the userbase directly Jan 04 05:29:11 :( Jan 04 05:29:21 Aakash: is it like a phone in that it can fetch/pull email, or more like a tablet that only wakes up when you hit a button Jan 04 05:29:33 if the fanboys are around, I'll get attacked for pointing out that they're not open source, or that Linux doesn't REALLY run on them Jan 04 05:29:43 aziwoqpd: what? the n900? Jan 04 05:29:45 yeah Jan 04 05:29:51 Ah, more luke-jr BS. Glad to see some things never change around here. Jan 04 05:30:11 Aakash: observe zerojay :) Jan 04 05:30:13 aziwoqpd: it fetches email..? Jan 04 05:30:25 aziwoqpd: email != phone Jan 04 05:30:35 yeah... Jan 04 05:30:38 what we need is remote control for when n900 is hooked up to pc: zeemote/wiimote controlling x cursor Jan 04 05:30:41 luke-jr: Only in your mind, perhaps. Jan 04 05:30:57 what we need is remote control for when n900 is hooked up to TV: zeemote/wiimote controlling x cursor Jan 04 05:32:06 i havent gotten an x pointer with the old n8x0 tricks yet. any idea how to activate it? Jan 04 05:33:46 zerojay: my mind, being the only mind here right now that has actually looked at the code state of Linux N8x0 support? Jan 04 05:33:59 sure, then only in my mind, since you're too ignorant to research your assertions Jan 04 05:34:21 hm Jan 04 05:34:46 details on mirror server setup fwiw http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Espejo Jan 04 05:35:02 luke-jr: Right, whatever you say. Jan 04 05:35:13 luke-jr: Keep on trollin'. Jan 04 05:35:38 zerojay: truth is only 'trolling' to happily ignorant fanboys Jan 04 05:35:53 zerojay: is browser not copying text bug reported? Jan 04 05:36:31 luke-jr: You don't need to be a fanboy to know that all you ever do here is bitch, moan, complain and make shit up to bitch, moan and complain about. Jan 04 05:36:31 hilight text: hit "copy" switch to term, hit paste: old buffer pasted Jan 04 05:36:46 pupnik: No idea. My N900 has been dead for over a month already. Jan 04 05:36:50 it is necessary to use ignore Jan 04 05:36:55 ow. ow. Jan 04 05:37:13 why man Jan 04 05:37:15 zerojay: you do have to be a fanboy to think I make any of it up Jan 04 05:37:16 And still no response from Nokia/Quim. Jan 04 05:37:54 im not sure what their policy is on dev/summit units Jan 04 05:37:55 zerojay: you forgot he spreads misinfo too. Jan 04 05:38:11 jebba: nope Jan 04 05:38:29 jebba: Yeah, but that's already far beyond arguing over. Jan 04 05:38:44 jebba: list a single misinfo I have spread Jan 04 05:39:43 pupnik: I don't know. If they say "look, we're in sales, we won't be exchanging it even though it's our own hardware fault", fine... I could at least understand where they are coming from, but I don't enjoy being completely ignored. Jan 04 05:40:06 exactly. nothing. Jan 04 05:40:16 pupnik: The more I feel like I'm being ignored, the less inclined I feel to participate and stick around. Jan 04 05:40:23 right Jan 04 05:41:02 but big companies have these right-hand/left-hand issues, always... Jan 04 05:41:05 Is Maemo the iPhone 4G OS? Jan 04 05:41:12 no Jan 04 05:41:12 no Jan 04 05:41:18 Cuz I never heard of it. Jan 04 05:41:36 pupnik: Yeah, there's always stuff like that which happens... but Quim's supposed to be the man in the middle of both hands, so... :) Jan 04 05:41:41 lmgtfy.com iMuse|Bday Jan 04 05:41:44 iMuse|Bday: it's a closed OS with a Linux-based kernel used by Nokia Internet Tablets Jan 04 05:42:11 And there's jebba's example right there. Jan 04 05:42:12 does any one know where the source code repo is for onversations-inbox-widget? Jan 04 05:42:22 zerojay: that is fact. Jan 04 05:42:32 CLOSED OS Jan 04 05:42:34 no wai Jan 04 05:42:36 That's bad. Jan 04 05:42:50 iMuse|Bday: yes, but there is no open alternative, so ... Jan 04 05:43:07 lol Jan 04 05:43:12 quite troll id say Jan 04 05:43:18 does he think iPhone is open or something? Jan 04 05:45:22 well. to be fair, it's a lot less closed than the OS for iPhone ;) Jan 04 05:45:35 Veggen: sure, but so is Windows Jan 04 05:46:36 and unlike Microsoft, Nokia likes to spread disinformation advertising their products as open Jan 04 05:46:36 so it actually needs clarification Jan 04 05:47:38 I think that even if Nokia did put out a 100% open OS (as you interpret it), you would still be bitching and complaining about something... or just plain making shit up still. Jan 04 05:47:50 zerojay: I'm not making anything up. Jan 04 05:48:01 I might complain, but not about that. :P Jan 04 05:48:10 and if it were 100% open, I could actually *fix* the problems Jan 04 05:48:15 luke-jr: noone is forcing you to use it Jan 04 05:48:22 goodwill: Nokia tricked me into spending money on it Jan 04 05:48:25 * [Tycho] is complaining about nokia Jan 04 05:48:30 luke-jr: return the phone Jan 04 05:48:33 and they are forcing me to use it by preventing me from using something else Jan 04 05:48:34 zerojay: what example? huh. not quite folllowing all this Jan 04 05:48:45 luke-jr: how did they trick you? Jan 04 05:48:54 goodwill: by advertising it as open and Linux-supported Jan 04 05:48:59 neither of which are true Jan 04 05:49:17 nor will ever be for N810 Jan 04 05:49:18 Yes, we're all completely delusional here. Jan 04 05:49:21 luke-jr: open means different thing ... just as free does Jan 04 05:49:37 luke-jr: there is bsd-free and gpl-free Jan 04 05:49:37 goodwill: it's neither open nor free Jan 04 05:49:46 truth. Jan 04 05:49:49 luke-jr: well did you do your research before you bought? Jan 04 05:49:50 YHBT goodwill Jan 04 05:49:54 goodwill: I *thought* I did. Jan 04 05:50:02 Same here. Jan 04 05:50:02 apparently I need to browse the git trees first Jan 04 05:50:09 Ha-ha Jan 04 05:50:30 luke-jr: when I did my research, it became clear from talk.maemo.org pretty quickly there are closed source parts to it Jan 04 05:50:40 like drivers Jan 04 05:51:00 talk.maemo.org didn't exist when I purchased. Jan 04 05:51:08 there was InternetTabletTalk that had a screwed up theme Jan 04 05:51:16 and was a pain to read Jan 04 05:51:27 whoa luke-jr, haven't seen you in awhile Jan 04 05:51:31 I thought you were dead Jan 04 05:51:34 esaym153: ... Jan 04 05:51:35 rofl Jan 04 05:51:46 where you been? Jan 04 05:51:47 luke-jr: well ... yes I agree they shoudl have been more clear ... but I think there is a risk in everything Jan 04 05:51:57 esaym153: you're the one who hasn't been around. :p Jan 04 05:52:04 there shouldnt be Jan 04 05:52:08 luke-jr: I have an openmoko ... and I was takign a risk that they woudl fold ... and they did Jan 04 05:52:16 goodwill: blatent false advertising is not justified by such Jan 04 05:52:22 Yeah dude Jan 04 05:52:28 I agree with luke-jr on this. Jan 04 05:52:41 lol Jan 04 05:52:48 goodwill: also, when I so much as *mention* it's not open and Linux doesn't support it, I get flamed by all the fanboys here Jan 04 05:52:52 This is so completely retarded. Jan 04 05:53:00 luke-jr: I am saddened on the close source parts of the nokia Jan 04 05:53:01 zerojay: welcome to the internets! Jan 04 05:53:08 i dealt with FIC for a number of years in the 90s Jan 04 05:53:22 goodwill: yes, but now OpenMoko works, despite the company folding Jan 04 05:53:24 esaym153: how do the closed drivers affect your life? Jan 04 05:53:25 because it was open Jan 04 05:53:48 they make him cry when he tries to sleep Jan 04 05:53:49 luke-jr: openmoko software had a lot of issues when released ... Jan 04 05:53:52 keep him up a night Jan 04 05:53:59 ifreq: even the open-but-need-porting drivers affect my life significantly Jan 04 05:54:09 goodwill: when released, sure, but that was disclosed, no? Jan 04 05:54:11 yeah seems so. too bad man. Jan 04 05:54:14 bbl work calls -> Jan 04 05:54:16 luke-jr: and the first openmoko had closed source drivers for the gps ... because the hardware vendors restrict it Jan 04 05:54:30 luke-jr: there is NO 3G chip right now with open source driver support Jan 04 05:54:35 goodwill: I'm aware. So do all NITs. Jan 04 05:54:36 the "can't charge the battery" without maemo part *really* sucks. Jan 04 05:55:05 thats total BS about battery... Jan 04 05:55:11 jebba it does.. external charger for any li-ion batt is worth it Jan 04 05:55:16 goodwill: N900's supposedly has it open spec enough that it will work open soon Jan 04 05:55:21 ifreq: My only dislike is the closed source alarm clock, Jan 04 05:55:22 or is that more false advertising? Jan 04 05:55:33 ^^^ Jan 04 05:55:34 luke-jr: it is open if you use the API Jan 04 05:55:37 now i charge all batts on the station and am content Jan 04 05:55:38 There's some parts that are closed and yes, it's not the best of situations, but claiming it's all false advertising is completely boneheaded. Jan 04 05:55:45 ifreq: I only use it for some custom apps of my and as an alarmclock so... Jan 04 05:55:46 luke-jr: you have access to all functionality Jan 04 05:55:48 jebba: citation needed, though it's true you can't charge the battery w/o Maemo's blob Jan 04 05:56:01 pupnik: external charger? are you saying that's comparable? ... I mean, i shouldnt have to yank the battery to charge. THat said i will get an external charger and more batteries at some point too... Jan 04 05:56:11 goodwill: that's "unlocked" at best, not open Jan 04 05:56:18 "you can't charge the battery w/o Maemo's blo" that's exactly what i'm talking about Jan 04 05:56:31 jebba: that's 100% true Jan 04 05:56:32 yep it is just too nice to have charged spares around Jan 04 05:56:53 luke-jr: I thought unlocked mainly meant it was not tied to carrier Jan 04 05:57:01 goodwill: hence 'at best' Jan 04 05:57:13 goodwill: an extensive API is in no way open Jan 04 05:57:13 goodwill: That is what unlocked means. Jan 04 05:57:15 locked n900s also have locked kernels Jan 04 05:57:17 cpscotti: thanks for the hacking =) Jan 04 05:57:20 and no API can ever consider ALL possible scenarios Jan 04 05:57:25 if provider insists Jan 04 05:58:11 okay im out Jan 04 05:58:13 peace guys Jan 04 05:58:21 going into debt for consumer electronics. wtg usa Jan 04 05:58:32 Aakash: don't leave me with the fanboys :( Jan 04 05:58:36 darn, too late :( Jan 04 05:58:41 luke-jr: I agree with you ... I just think that nXXX series is a good step forward. between Mer and FSO we are gettign there Jan 04 05:59:04 jebba: i have a little problem with your new (-jebba6) kernel :S i installed it for testing usb tethering and with usb0 enabled the device reboots randomly Jan 04 05:59:12 goodwill: in the meantime, I'm stuck having bought a useless device and pissed at Nokia too much to dare spending any more Jan 04 05:59:45 luke-jr: I am sorry that it did not work out for you Jan 04 05:59:55 luke-jr: I do think it will get better Jan 04 06:00:21 luke-jr: last 6-7 years were fantastic for linux hardware support Jan 04 06:01:01 luke-jr: I am sure you remember time when you could not get simple audio support on linux Jan 04 06:01:17 actually, no, audio always worked fine for me Jan 04 06:01:34 the only hardware issue I had was mobo RAID Jan 04 06:01:40 Be glad. Stuff like OSS and esd were hell. Jan 04 06:01:54 OSS worked for me. esd is GNOME so I wouldn't touch it Jan 04 06:01:56 luke-jr: hee heee .. then it just me then .. Jan 04 06:02:17 hmm Jan 04 06:02:37 i remember the begginings of nvidia graphics support for linux Jan 04 06:02:59 and its still closed Jan 04 06:03:07 though noveau is not bad Jan 04 06:03:07 but it works like a charm Jan 04 06:03:14 it may be closed, but at least it works Jan 04 06:03:44 yeah ... nvidia has consistently made sure it works well Jan 04 06:03:48 got to give them props Jan 04 06:03:55 has nouveau reached a usable state yet? Jan 04 06:04:10 zerojay: last couple of release really got good things in Jan 04 06:04:17 zerojay: depends on what you consider usable Jan 04 06:04:24 yeah I generally don't complain about something being closed until it prevents me from doing something I want to do Jan 04 06:04:39 seems stable, so not nearly as agrivating as ATI's closed linux drivers Jan 04 06:04:41 Performance at least approaching the closed source driver. Jan 04 06:04:58 zerojay: not there yet Jan 04 06:05:13 go1dfish: ati drivers nowadays also are not that bad Jan 04 06:05:14 Yeah, I didn't think it would be yet, but I haven't checked up on it in a while. Jan 04 06:05:20 ATi works fine with open drivers Jan 04 06:05:24 go1dfish: both opensource and closed ones Jan 04 06:05:36 please preface comments to luke-jr with "luke-jr:" Jan 04 06:05:50 yeah I am speaking of the 9800 pro days heh Jan 04 06:06:09 go1dfish: i had 9800se modded to pro :> Jan 04 06:06:12 but still is agrivating when you can't get open drivers or decent hardware docs Jan 04 06:06:16 I migrated to X850 a year or two ago Jan 04 06:06:19 works great Jan 04 06:06:21 and i had to sell it, because it didn't work at all Jan 04 06:06:27 (under linux) Jan 04 06:06:28 even if someone does eventually manage to reverse engineer and build a decent replacement Jan 04 06:06:54 I knew a lot of people that had to get rid of their ATI cards because they wouldn't work at all a few years ago. Jan 04 06:07:24 now i have radeon hd5870 and it just works Jan 04 06:07:25 v2px_: did -jebba5 reboot? Did you test tethering with that? what about stock? I'm about to fall over now, but email me lots of into about wtf is going on and i'll reply tomorrow (today...) moe@blagblagblag.org thx Jan 04 06:07:34 even with 2 screens attached Jan 04 06:07:49 jebba: i didn't test it with the prev. version Jan 04 06:07:56 jebba: will do if it helps :) Jan 04 06:08:30 v2px_: well, try it with the stock kernel (tethering). I don't know of any changes i made that would affect that. Jan 04 06:08:57 so NAT with stock kernel works now? Jan 04 06:09:12 speaking of networking Jan 04 06:09:22 v2px_: i haven't heard of NAT working with stock kernel. I dont think it's possible. Its in -jebba6 though Jan 04 06:09:26 has anyone tried compiling ipv6 modules for the N900 kernel? Jan 04 06:09:28 zerojay: I tend to do my research and buy only what is supported. Jan 04 06:09:46 N810 was a goofup due to the misinformation. :/ Jan 04 06:09:51 arachnist: i haven't but i'll add it to the list. If you have specific CONFIG_FOO=m let me know Jan 04 06:10:00 and probably in part from my incorrect memories of my Zaurus Jan 04 06:10:15 I realize now that it was originally far closed than when I last used it. Jan 04 06:10:47 v2px_: I did enable USB_SERIAL=m, that isn't getting loaded though is it? Jan 04 06:10:48 if I remembered that, I might have been a bit more suspicious of whether the current models were really open Jan 04 06:10:59 i dont think that does anything anyway, i was just a hopin' Jan 04 06:11:19 jebba: nope, not loaded Jan 04 06:12:06 jebba: i upped usb0 a few minutes ago and its stable so far. seems like its only rebooting if i generate traffic over usb0 Jan 04 06:12:51 hmm. Would be interesting to see if it does it with stock too, if you continue to see the issue. Probably has to do more with trackerd or the thumbnailer or someshit locking up the disk ;) Jan 04 06:13:32 last time i tried reflashing the stock kernel my device wouldnt boot :/ Jan 04 06:14:02 did you copy over the stock kernel modules? Jan 04 06:14:10 i'm scared now. i don't want to reinstall all the apps :S Jan 04 06:14:21 how'd you flash it? with kernel flasher or via flash-3.5 ? Jan 04 06:14:23 yea, i followed yout guide :P Jan 04 06:14:26 your* Jan 04 06:14:42 ya, but there's still two ways to do it. Jan 04 06:14:42 heh Jan 04 06:14:43 with flash(er?)-3.5 Jan 04 06:14:58 ya, did you remember to copy over the old modules? Jan 04 06:15:08 yea i did that b4 Jan 04 06:15:19 cp -a /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1.orig /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1 like htat ,) Jan 04 06:16:10 cuz installing new kernel blows out old modules, unfortunately, so yuou have to copy them before you install, then copy them back. THen if things go to hell, you can flasher-3.5 a zImage. But you shouldn't have to flasher-3.5 the zimage, just as a last resort. Jan 04 06:16:38 I've been dpkg -i *deb fine and the last ones I did I even just apt-get upgraded to the latest kernel and it worked fine. Jan 04 06:16:57 anyway, i'm outta here for a bit, i'll check back in one last time before sleep Jan 04 06:17:10 so how do i reinstall the stock kernel without flashing the zimage? Jan 04 06:17:24 k tyt :) Jan 04 06:18:34 ah Jan 04 06:18:50 i'm a little surprised that n900 isn't as hackable as my other linux-running arm toy Jan 04 06:18:57 download it, dpkg -i kernel-modules*deb kernel-2*.deb, then dpkg -i kernel-flash*deb Jan 04 06:19:05 same as with mine Jan 04 06:19:33 (which has a 1.2GHz cpu, 512MB ram, 512MB flash and loads of i/o ports) Jan 04 06:20:04 arachnist: does it fit in your pocket? Jan 04 06:20:28 jebba: oh ok thanks. :) Jan 04 06:21:07 v2px_: i think i have a pair of pants where it would Jan 04 06:21:54 though it wouldn't be very comfortable Jan 04 06:22:03 arachnist: chumby? Jan 04 06:22:44 nope Jan 04 06:22:47 goodwill: openrd-client Jan 04 06:26:21 Hi guys am about to reinstall my N900 by flashing it, I just want to know if the connect in the 32gb memory would always be formated, do I need to back that up too ? Jan 04 06:27:29 does anyone know the correct config_cmdline to use when compiling the kernel to recognize and set the root as the external mmc? Jan 04 06:27:36 has there been any indication of whether nat will be possible for future official kernels? Jan 04 06:27:44 i.e. has the lack of necessary symbols been filed as a bug? Jan 04 06:34:21 bigbrovar: when i flash, the 32GB is not overwritten Jan 04 06:36:24 pupnik: thanks, which should mean my bookmarks and other apps user configs in /home/user (which I believe is mounted on the 32gb drive) should be safe Jan 04 06:37:18 bigbrovar: desktop 'bookmarks' will be erased Jan 04 06:37:27 your bookmarks in browser will be preserved Jan 04 06:37:52 i was filling my desktop with bookmarked pages cause it looks so cool :) Jan 04 06:38:44 bigbrovar, take a backup first, it helps smooth everything back after a flash and restore by putting the obscure stuff back too, like repo selection apps and your desktops Jan 04 06:39:04 pupnik: thanks, what about optified apps AFAIK they install files on /opt which is also mounted on the 32gb drive.. no? Jan 04 06:39:54 apps get cleared, as they must Jan 04 06:40:19 never tried restoring installed apps Jan 04 06:40:44 lcuk: I really want to start from scratch beside my bookmarks, I want nothing saved :p Jan 04 06:41:14 bigbrovar: yeah me to, I'll be flashing my n900 to a completely clean state once I get PR1.1 Jan 04 06:41:19 fair enough, most people say that until 3 weeks later they curse something Jan 04 06:41:34 now that I have a good idea of what apps I want installed and what I don't Jan 04 06:41:43 take a backup anyway, you dont have to restore it if you dont want Jan 04 06:41:59 yeah def recommend backing up first regardless, I plan to backup mine Jan 04 06:42:24 thanks guys I will let you know how it went :) Jan 04 06:43:31 hey tekojo \o Jan 04 06:43:37 morning lcuk Jan 04 06:44:20 * lcuk needs coffee Jan 04 06:44:34 have a good xmas tekojo ? Jan 04 06:44:40 * tekojo waits for someone else to come to the office before coffee Jan 04 06:44:44 hmm. is there an app to blog over a MovableType API? Jan 04 06:44:53 lol tekojo first in after xmas! Jan 04 06:44:54 lcuk, yes quite relaxing Jan 04 06:44:55 not bad Jan 04 06:44:58 or MetaWeblog? Jan 04 06:45:16 No, but almost first in today :-) Jan 04 06:45:25 v2px_, mastory deals with blogging from device Jan 04 06:47:02 but it doesn't seem to support those APIs Jan 04 06:47:30 i can choose between wordpress, blogger, livejournal and drupal... Jan 04 06:48:34 :( but thats in a way good, it shows he at least knows about different servers, perhaps the dev might add movabletype with some help Jan 04 06:48:37 MovableType is wordpress Jan 04 06:48:44 afaik Jan 04 06:48:56 tekojo: i'll try that, thx :) Jan 04 06:49:25 v2px_, if not, check the bug reports for the app, if its anything like hermes there will be 50 reports for each provider Jan 04 06:49:32 Just look up the http, I think it wanted an exact match, not just blog name (or then it's been fixed) Jan 04 06:52:13 tekojo: doesnt work with "Wordpress" :/ Jan 04 06:52:51 heh, i had to ssh into N900 and use mplayer to locate device Jan 04 06:52:51 Strange, I remember blogging to it on an N810 with the precursor of MaStory Jan 04 06:53:51 meh. the app adds "/xmlrpc.php to the url Jan 04 06:54:04 +" tahts why it downt work Jan 04 06:54:09 -typos Jan 04 06:55:30 the api i'm trying to use uses "/xml-rpc" Jan 04 06:57:36 Oh, that's not nice Jan 04 07:02:53 v2px_, if its a trivial fix such as this, i heartily recommend starting the year with an enhancement request :D Jan 04 07:03:55 heh. great idea Jan 04 07:04:07 but my uptime is 24+h Jan 04 07:04:27 i'm too lazy to do it right now Jan 04 07:04:49 thats ok :) you will remember next time you want to blog Jan 04 07:05:01 sure will :P Jan 04 07:05:10 and you can make your post about how you helped improve maemo :) Jan 04 07:05:20 :p Jan 04 07:05:52 Heh, finally Jan 04 07:06:01 morning RST38h Jan 04 07:06:13 TSA starts body-searching people by their country of origin Jan 04 07:06:16 lcuk: moo Jan 04 07:06:40 scary aint it Jan 04 07:06:49 Not really. Predictable. Jan 04 07:07:09 * lcuk shakes head Jan 04 07:07:34 They did total searches in the name of political correctness. Now they have got a choice between body-searching the whole flight or being politically incorrect. Jan 04 07:08:03 we are having full body xray Jan 04 07:08:07 And the political correctness finally cracked. Jan 04 07:08:10 * lcuk cheers weakly Jan 04 07:08:33 lcuk: Oh but TSA thinks it is not enough! They want pat-searches Jan 04 07:09:00 So, if you happen to be a Yemeni woman, in that full muslim garb... Hehe Jan 04 07:09:11 hi RST38h .. did you found something out abut the xchat sleep problem yesterday? Jan 04 07:09:18 i hate having to take my belt off Jan 04 07:09:34 cehteh: Yeah, I seem to have fixed it, get new version from -Devel and delete your ~/.xchat2 Jan 04 07:10:19 cool ...maemo14? Jan 04 07:10:23 yes Jan 04 07:10:33 had to reflash earlier anyways ... grr Jan 04 07:10:38 and my charger broke .. Jan 04 07:10:43 There was a "mischellaneous xchat events" timer running at 500ms Jan 04 07:10:43 this device goes back Jan 04 07:11:00 wow 500ms is a long time Jan 04 07:11:10 I gave lagometer a separate 1sec timer and disabled it when lagometer is off Jan 04 07:11:22 the screwy thing is, the guy's family went to the embassy/consulate and warned them he was going to do something, but he was let on the flight anyway Jan 04 07:11:23 I switched DCC timeout checks from every second to every minute Jan 04 07:11:58 doc: As long as all the proper procedures were observed, none of the DHS managers will be harmed by this fact. Jan 04 07:12:09 doc: Us, on the other hand... Mhm Jan 04 07:12:13 good work Jan 04 07:12:40 cehteh: But you absolutely have to disable the lagometer. Deleting .xchat2 dir will do it for you Jan 04 07:14:01 ok Jan 04 07:15:39 lets see Jan 04 07:20:59 http://wiki.gpodder.org/wiki/List_of_Configuration_Options /me's brain aspoldes Jan 04 07:21:15 did not have any idea how complex this was Jan 04 07:22:06 i hate the web so much. you take an idea like "a list of articles/sound/video that gets updated" Jan 04 07:22:15 and build a freaking jungle out of it Jan 04 07:22:31 what does web have to do with this? Jan 04 07:23:09 because 1/2 of the 'podcasts' i want to subscribe to don't do it in a gpodder compatible way Jan 04 07:23:51 then why use gpodder? Jan 04 07:24:11 the alternative is bookmarking the website, which is ok Jan 04 07:25:31 "gPodder can execute an arbitrary script after a download has finished." <<- that's very nice, thanks Tomas Jan 04 07:25:35 * RST38h can't understand the point of podcasts, frankly Jan 04 07:25:53 * RST38h also can't understand the point of YouTube though Jan 04 07:26:16 there are some good sources of information in mp3 form that can be useful while doing other things Jan 04 07:26:52 while commuting, for example Jan 04 07:27:31 Can't easily browse through it, takes a lot of space/bandwidth, usually narrated by geeks lacking any diction or coherency Jan 04 07:28:10 dont listen to geek podcasts :) Jan 04 07:28:24 naaah, text rules Jan 04 07:28:25 npr cartalk is nice ecample Jan 04 07:28:29 i like the show Jan 04 07:28:41 Foreign Policy News and Interviews: (the only worthwhile one) http://antiwar.com/radio/ Jan 04 07:28:43 <[Tycho]> Podcasts are evil and should be eliminated. Jan 04 07:28:45 but i never remember when it airs Jan 04 07:28:47 NPR Car Talk is a proper radio show Jan 04 07:28:52 so podcast works nicely Jan 04 07:28:55 <[Tycho]> Youtube was good. Jan 04 07:28:57 * RST38h listens to it on ...well...NPR when in the US Jan 04 07:29:01 yeah Jan 04 07:29:07 so its all in podcast Jan 04 07:29:14 tigert: Every Saturday, at 11:00 :) Jan 04 07:29:16 i love it while sitting in trams Jan 04 07:29:20 Economics Lectures: (the only worthwhile ones) http://mises.org/media.xml Jan 04 07:29:25 RST38h: i have kids Jan 04 07:29:41 saturday 11 is "other things" :) Jan 04 07:29:42 tigert: And they do not like Car Talk? =) Jan 04 07:29:46 Ah Jan 04 07:30:02 i have a hour a day during commute Jan 04 07:30:03 http://feeds2.feedburner.com/WallStreetUnspunWithPeterSchiff another decent weekly economics podcast Jan 04 07:30:04 But, again, it is no podcast, more like timeshifting Jan 04 07:30:10 yes Jan 04 07:30:30 podcasting is like timeshifted radio that is easy to air without media companies Jan 04 07:30:40 theres trash and good stuff Jan 04 07:30:48 depends on the subject Jan 04 07:31:07 i also like an aviation related one called "Uncontrolled Airspace" Jan 04 07:31:18 some US pilot geezers discuss shit Jan 04 07:31:21 its nice too Jan 04 07:31:28 if you like the subject Jan 04 07:32:17 flying is fun Jan 04 07:32:41 good exercise in discipline too Jan 04 07:32:46 there is little point in listening to something you read on the web anyway (geek podcasts) unless the author adds something useful Jan 04 07:32:51 pupnik: yeah Jan 04 07:33:02 never heard a geek podcast worth listening to except that Mer one Jan 04 07:33:03 pupnik: you do that too? Jan 04 07:33:09 i gave it up Jan 04 07:33:50 it's serious business, you know. Jan 04 07:34:08 it is, you can die Jan 04 07:34:16 if you are not serious with it Jan 04 07:34:22 fun too thoughä Jan 04 07:34:37 pupnik: The Mer one we can get directly from Sts here =) Jan 04 07:34:54 eh Jan 04 07:35:13 RST38h: seems the 'channel list' is now fixed on the right side .. moment tryning Jan 04 07:35:24 tigert: You should go to Alaska, that place got airfields instead of parking lots Jan 04 07:35:37 cehteh: ??? Jan 04 07:35:44 cehteh: should be at the bottom Jan 04 07:36:10 yes started at the bottom Jan 04 07:36:23 i configured to upper left but it switched to upper right Jan 04 07:36:26 RST38h: yeah :) Jan 04 07:37:02 cehteh: I know why Jan 04 07:37:24 cehteh: the user list is at the left. Move it to the right, move channel list to the left. See what happens Jan 04 07:37:25 is Stskeeps the british mer guy? Jan 04 07:37:39 tigert: Danish Jan 04 07:37:42 no, hes the great dane afail Jan 04 07:37:45 ok Jan 04 07:37:49 david lbt is the british guy Jan 04 07:37:56 Hey Sts is Polish now :) Jan 04 07:38:00 afaik Jan 04 07:38:02 I met one mer guy in barcelona Jan 04 07:38:04 * RST38h cackles evilly Jan 04 07:38:05 yeah lol Jan 04 07:38:15 the fun is in great part hanging out with pilots, tigert - kind of like #maemo - commonalities Jan 04 07:38:16 he was fun talking with Jan 04 07:38:18 tigert, was lbt Jan 04 07:38:23 no user list at all .. lemme check Jan 04 07:38:28 pupnik: yeah Jan 04 07:38:34 lcuk: ok Jan 04 07:38:53 ever do any soaring tigert ? Jan 04 07:39:04 really recommend it Jan 04 07:39:20 not yet Jan 04 07:39:23 never seen that you can configure the side of the user list Jan 04 07:39:35 did an intro soaring flight years ago Jan 04 07:39:48 should do it to learn to fly finaly ;) Jan 04 07:40:02 s/finaly/finally/ Jan 04 07:40:02 tigert meant: should do it to learn to fly finally ;) Jan 04 07:40:11 well same, just an intro flight, but it was beautiful without the buzz of an engine Jan 04 07:40:20 yeah Jan 04 07:40:53 pupnik: http://irene.vanderzwan.org/Site_IreneFilms/Welcome.html Jan 04 07:40:54 ok looks useable now Jan 04 07:41:37 cehteh: sos did it go to the left? Jan 04 07:41:49 yes, got it all configured again :) Jan 04 07:41:52 ok Jan 04 07:41:55 see "wavecamp" > second from top ("Elevator") Jan 04 07:42:14 C3 | 82.7% | 164.3ms | 250 MHz | 96.0% | Jan 04 07:42:14 C4 | 7.9% | 591.1ms | Jan 04 07:42:24 better, but still Jan 04 07:42:36 Should spend ~35% of time in C4, at least when you lock the device Jan 04 07:42:53 1) Lock device 2) Wait 30 seconds 3) Run powertop via ssh Jan 04 07:42:59 doing so Jan 04 07:43:06 well device was unlocked Jan 04 07:44:03 btw you may add a fullscreen/non-compositing mode dunno if that improves much, but maybe worth a try Jan 04 07:44:51 Ping reply from ceh900 : 5.96 second(s) .. wlan powersaving sux Jan 04 07:44:52 it is added Jan 04 07:44:57 Ctrl+Enter Jan 04 07:45:00 ah nice Jan 04 07:45:18 * cehteh thinks he needs a decent accesspoint Jan 04 07:45:19 * RST38h feels like he has forced Ctrl+Enter on the community now =) Jan 04 07:45:40 C3 | 38.3% | 188.7ms | 250 MHz | 100.0% | Jan 04 07:45:40 C4 | 60.5% | 789.4ms | Jan 04 07:45:45 ok thats acceptable Jan 04 07:45:59 well done! Jan 04 07:46:46 nickname completion is Shift+Enter BTW Jan 04 07:46:53 * Stskeeps yawns and wakes up Jan 04 07:47:15 arrgs :) i maped ESC to to shift+enter for emacs Jan 04 07:47:29 and TAB is shift+space Jan 04 07:47:56 imo we should make some community proposal/guidelines for such common keys Jan 04 07:48:12 * RST38h prefers to force 'em de facto =) Jan 04 07:48:40 BTW TAB will also complete nickname, so no big deal Jan 04 07:49:07 yes and you hardly need esc on irc Jan 04 07:49:26 want irssi tab completion for words appearing onscreen also Jan 04 07:49:33 not just nicks Jan 04 07:49:39 ah fuck irssi Jan 04 07:49:54 RST38h, works Jan 04 07:49:58 the package in extras does not even start when you click on the icon (thry forgot -e after xterm) Jan 04 07:50:01 on n900 xchat has advantages Jan 04 07:50:52 next make the scrollbar biggier, finger friendly or hildonize it Jan 04 07:51:09 and tell me how for emacs Jan 04 07:54:03 another feed that doesn't work with gpodder: "Financial Sense Online" http://feeds.feedburner.com/fso?format=xml Jan 04 07:55:48 i suspect some of these sites just don't want to serve up the bandwidth without advertising (fair enough, but please don't call it a 'feed') Jan 04 07:55:54 need speech to text for xchat :] Jan 04 07:56:26 anyone using the newest build of xchat in the devel repo? Jan 04 07:57:39 ok here's a good one (economics) that works with gpodder also http://www.howestreet.com/goldradio/grpodcast.php Jan 04 08:03:14 anyone using the newest build of xchat in the devel repo? Jan 04 08:12:06 re Jan 04 08:16:09 phreck: yes .. we talked before bout it Jan 04 08:16:23 works great, but delete your .xchat2 and reconfigure Jan 04 08:17:10 * cehteh noticed yesterday that it keeps the cpu busy, thats fixed now Jan 04 08:17:22 yea Jan 04 08:17:49 ive had alot more dropped connections since todays update Jan 04 08:20:16 btw spending time finding the optimal channel for N900 fm transmitter pays off nicely. Jan 04 08:20:55 * tigert does a +1 for irssi, never understood gui irc Jan 04 08:21:04 but the new xchat looks nice for sure Jan 04 08:21:50 they fixed the config. its nice Jan 04 08:22:16 always been usable, more convenient now Jan 04 08:24:22 Does anyone know where the mfe settings are (in file format). I'm testing activesync with lotus domino server and i'm unable to get it to work. For domino traveler service to work, you have to put server name in format servername.com/servlet/traveler but nokias software doesn't allow /servlet/traveler to server field Jan 04 08:24:32 i was wondering if i edited the file manually, it might work Jan 04 08:24:38 might it work Jan 04 08:24:58 talking about N900 of course Jan 04 08:28:28 maybe it's a gconf setting Jan 04 08:28:47 tigert: my xchat is almost terminal like configured, but buttons for channel switching are convinient Jan 04 08:32:08 ruskie, have to look on that Jan 04 08:34:32 cehteh: yea. i have terminal buttons for that Jan 04 08:34:54 cehteh: the real DEALBREAKER (heh) is disconnects Jan 04 08:35:42 so screen keeps my irssi running and i just attach it to whatever computer i happen to use Jan 04 08:36:12 using a bouncer and soon openvpn against that Jan 04 08:36:12 so it also avoids cluttering others sessions with quit/joins all the time Jan 04 08:36:30 sure, but its a lot less hassle Jan 04 08:36:39 everything has ssh already Jan 04 08:37:02 well irc is not *that* essential Jan 04 08:37:26 yes it is :) Jan 04 08:37:53 :) Jan 04 08:43:30 anybody have libopenal1? Jan 04 08:44:02 trying ubuntu now/ sid is broken Jan 04 08:45:39 ubuntu fixes patch bug Jan 04 08:45:40 -- Check for working C compiler: /scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc Jan 04 08:45:41 qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped Jan 04 08:50:32 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/c/cmake/ Jan 04 08:50:37 http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/cmake_broken_on_freemantle/ Jan 04 08:51:01 what is cmake and what does it do that make does not? Jan 04 08:56:49 morning Jan 04 08:57:30 what is the quickest way to get my gps coordinates, to paste into google local? Jan 04 08:57:45 maps.google.com/m i mean Jan 04 08:58:17 * wiretapped wonders why the n900 doesnt support the html5 geoloction stuff Jan 04 08:59:23 hrw: good morning Jan 04 08:59:43 wiretapped: it's there Jan 04 08:59:47 wiretapped: maemo-geolocation package Jan 04 08:59:50 fennec supports it Jan 04 08:59:57 make, gmake, qmake, xmkmf, smake, cmake... one of those things people reinvent constantly Jan 04 08:59:57 and there's a package for microB Jan 04 09:00:17 ShadowJK: boo, you Jan 04 09:00:23 ShadowJK: boo, you forgot about imake ;) Jan 04 09:00:43 and rake Jan 04 09:00:52 wiretapped: Answer: N900 supports geolocation stuff now (download plugin from extras) Jan 04 09:01:15 sweet! installing now Jan 04 09:01:42 ShadowJK: That is why the moment your employee starts writing his own build system, you are supposed to fire him, quickly. Jan 04 09:01:53 so is there actually going to be a firmware fix for n900? Jan 04 09:02:05 ShadowJK: It is good for the society, too Jan 04 09:02:14 RST38h, that's the problem with open source Jan 04 09:02:26 pwnguin: Why should there be a firmware fix? Jan 04 09:02:43 johnx: That's the problem with idiots who cannot learn how to use make. Jan 04 09:02:59 RST38h: i got the impression some things were only fixable that way, like the video chat camera Jan 04 09:03:01 RST38h: well .. i may do one someday :P Jan 04 09:03:11 make has some shortcomings :) Jan 04 09:03:19 'some'? :) Jan 04 09:03:28 cehteh: The moment you start doing it, shoot yourself, quickly Jan 04 09:03:29 its just like NES emulators Jan 04 09:03:38 there's a billion *NES Jan 04 09:03:54 cehteh: Because in practice, gmake is sufficient. Jan 04 09:03:57 does someone uses fremantle_armel in sdk with full hildon session running? Jan 04 09:04:01 ok i installed maemo-geolocation and said killall browser browserd Jan 04 09:04:15 RST38h: depends Jan 04 09:04:17 google local still doesnt know where i am Jan 04 09:04:25 cehteh: does not, it is just sufficient, period. Jan 04 09:04:26 and qmake is generating Makefile for gnu make... Jan 04 09:04:31 i didnt know google local supported geolocation Jan 04 09:04:40 so does automake, may it be damned Jan 04 09:04:51 pwnguin: i just assumed they would Jan 04 09:04:55 RST38h: autotools are ARG$%@@$ Jan 04 09:04:56 :( Jan 04 09:04:58 wiretapped: well theres your problem Jan 04 09:05:10 we using scons and automake in parallel delaying any discussion about :) .. so far there is no clear winner Jan 04 09:05:15 RST38h: but I prefer to hack autotooled projects instead of fighting with crapbox Jan 04 09:05:20 both have their rough ends Jan 04 09:05:21 hrw: Autotools are solving an artifical problem by creating a bunch of real problems Jan 04 09:05:33 is there a changelog server for extras? Jan 04 09:05:41 for most things i see, a simple Makefile would be SO MUCH easier to deal with. Jan 04 09:05:45 RST38h: sure, but at least helps for cross-compiles Jan 04 09:05:56 hrw: Not really Jan 04 09:05:57 cmake also seems to generate makefile for gmake Jan 04 09:06:02 or make Jan 04 09:06:11 hrw: I cross compile with normal makefiles, no problems Jan 04 09:06:11 ~curse fremantle_armel target in maemo5 sdk for not working Jan 04 09:06:12 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, fremantle_armel target in maemo5 sdk for not working ! Jan 04 09:06:24 RST38h: well there are some things which make can not do, such as building the dependency tree dynamically as its going or track non-file metadata (options, env vars) Jan 04 09:06:40 RST38h: how you check size of int? Jan 04 09:06:43 for example Jan 04 09:06:45 cehteh: True, but there is an utility for that Jan 04 09:07:15 huh at least the build dependencies dynamicall is impossible Jan 04 09:07:15 cehteh: And as to non-file metadata, I explicitely DO NOT WANT make to track that. Jan 04 09:07:28 I love how autotools checks sizeof char Jan 04 09:07:34 hmm http://maxheapsize.com/staticm5geolocationdemo.html asks if i want to share my location, but then says location unknown Jan 04 09:07:38 hrw: typedef int U32; Jan 04 09:07:56 hrw: You are forgetting that ints are 32bit pretty much everywhere nowadays Jan 04 09:07:57 wiretapped: have you ever gotten a fix? Jan 04 09:08:26 RST38h: was exampole Jan 04 09:08:32 uhm Jan 04 09:08:41 C99 has nice collection of types now :) Jan 04 09:08:49 hrw: But it is a good example: it demonstrates that the "problem" autotools were solving is no longer a problem Jan 04 09:08:55 hrw: Instead, autotools are. Jan 04 09:09:06 yeah c99 or posix yes .. but typedef int u32 is really the reciepe for fail Jan 04 09:09:17 not that autotools make things much easier Jan 04 09:09:34 The world pretty much standardized on gcc/msc by now, as well as a really small set of cpu architectures which are all using the same basic datatypes Jan 04 09:09:50 cehteh: fail where? Jan 04 09:09:50 Morning, all Jan 04 09:10:01 well signedness of 'char' is another thing Jan 04 09:10:06 RST38h: samba_cv_HAVE_WORKING_AF_LOCAL is flag from autotools which differ on arm/mips/powerpc glibc/uclibc combos Jan 04 09:10:08 that differs widely Jan 04 09:10:12 cehteh: typedef unsigned char byte; Jan 04 09:10:37 cehteh: isn't it common sense? Jan 04 09:10:38 you can only typedef your own types .. but system interfaces still use 'char' Jan 04 09:10:50 cehteh: and what is the problem with that? Jan 04 09:10:59 pwnguin: yeah Jan 04 09:11:19 says coarse accuracy Jan 04 09:11:24 hrw: Well, that is something Samba devs have to resolve Jan 04 09:11:32 RST38h, your "solution" doesn't solve anything because: (x) it requires everyone to "do the right thing" Jan 04 09:11:52 char foo = ~0; to invert all bits for example .. doesnt work anywhere (thinking baout the n900 sdk which barfed on me) Jan 04 09:12:11 johnx: Well, if they write bad code, why should it work? Jan 04 09:12:25 cehteh: char foo = 0xff; Jan 04 09:12:30 works everywhere Jan 04 09:12:50 isnt there an easy way to get get my coords so i can paste them into google? Jan 04 09:17:39 morning danielwilms, and happy new years :) Jan 04 09:17:43 morning danielwilms welcome back :D Jan 04 09:18:14 hey :) morning and happy new year everybody ;) Jan 04 09:20:11 go1dfish: go to town on gemrb :D Jan 04 09:26:18 http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/01/04/are-maemo5-developer-tools-obsolete/ Jan 04 09:28:13 hrw: how about sb2? Jan 04 09:28:57 pupnik: is it in the repos now? Jan 04 09:29:20 RST38h: does not change situation with debhelper for example Jan 04 09:29:23 im getting very worried about the microusb female connector on the n900 Jan 04 09:29:32 RST38h: autobuilder uses sbox1 Jan 04 09:29:35 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39072 Jan 04 09:30:01 hm Jan 04 09:30:32 repos? gemrb? haahahaa Jan 04 09:30:48 RST38h: so if I want to have package available for users in easy way I have to stick with that crap Jan 04 09:30:52 new build? Jan 04 09:31:05 RST38h: if I want to use normal tools then I have to create own repo Jan 04 09:31:16 i installed the debs posted a couple weeks back Jan 04 09:31:22 i'd like to be able to build it also. still no luck Jan 04 09:31:25 hrw: I do think that creating a separate community repo is the way to go right now Jan 04 09:31:33 havent been able to play much lately Jan 04 09:31:41 visiting family Jan 04 09:31:49 hrw: The "official" package promotion procedure got so convoluted and broken that it is barely usable Jan 04 09:31:59 well how about a little hack for stylus-motion minimum-travel Jan 04 09:32:09 much of my family has been brainwashed to the effect of d&d=demonic Jan 04 09:32:26 depends on the character you play, i guess Jan 04 09:33:59 time to rsync n900 and update few packages Jan 04 09:34:07 i kinda wonder if n900/ovi store will be having an autobuilder Jan 04 09:34:21 I do not think so Stskeeps Jan 04 09:34:22 Sts: No, they replaced autobuilder with lawyers Jan 04 09:34:43 and liability insurance requirements :/ Jan 04 09:34:49 on a weird sidenote, corporate liability insurance, any good companies that deal with that? Jan 04 09:34:52 at least for current ovi Jan 04 09:35:18 Ah, forget the Ovi Jan 04 09:35:19 not sure if it will appy to maemo ovi, but if so, that will be suicidal Jan 04 09:35:33 Ovi will stay for a year or two, then close, quietly Jan 04 09:38:46 Stskeeps: idk we looked around a bit Jan 04 09:39:06 but it was too cost prohibitive for our current state Jan 04 09:39:31 at least it should help keep out the fart/flashlight apps Jan 04 09:40:49 but will likely keep some good stuff out to, but it's definitely a significant barrier to entry Jan 04 09:42:25 nice use of wiki, jebba Jan 04 09:42:26 hm Jan 04 09:42:31 anybody here try out nitdroid? Jan 04 09:45:02 Macer: waste of time Jan 04 09:45:06 * hrw -> off for some Jan 04 09:45:25 heh Jan 04 09:45:27 ok thanks Jan 04 10:15:58 hmph, my device says "destination memory is insufficient" (or something to that effect in Finnish) and the dialog is stuck. which processes should I kill to continue as safely as possible?-) Jan 04 10:18:39 flux - if you have a term open delete something, then kill Jan 04 10:18:51 manuelse, yep, doing that now Jan 04 10:18:57 hey, now it resumed Jan 04 10:19:00 after I freed some space Jan 04 10:19:08 argh sorry Jan 04 10:19:19 how much space on / ? (df -h) Jan 04 10:19:44 i have 40700 kB free atm Jan 04 10:19:45 re Jan 04 10:19:47 it was rootfs 233344 233340 0 100% / Jan 04 10:19:59 it's now rootfs 233344 229576 0 100% / Jan 04 10:20:22 100% :( that's bad Jan 04 10:20:30 Macer: nitroid is good if you want to check what android is. but not for each day use Jan 04 10:20:32 but it apparently has some root-preserved area Jan 04 10:20:41 because 0 dosen't increase after removing stuff immediately Jan 04 10:20:59 whee, 156k after dpkg -r's and sync :) Jan 04 10:21:02 Macer: at least that was with version which I had installed in october 2009 Jan 04 10:21:11 reboot usually takes me to 10M+ Jan 04 10:21:14 apt-get clean all Jan 04 10:21:31 oh if it's really full it wont boot, btw... Jan 04 10:21:41 yeah Jan 04 10:22:11 i keep a local MyDocs cache of debs. never know when i need em Jan 04 10:22:20 I've moved apt repos off the root already Jan 04 10:22:33 maybe I should do the same to dpkg Jan 04 10:22:45 but, off to eat Jan 04 10:23:16 it'll probably break upgrades, but you probablyh already know this, and you probably do backups too Jan 04 10:35:25 where stuff from /opt is located on Jan 04 10:35:29 err Jan 04 10:35:31 is located on 28-gb partition? Jan 04 10:35:33 ah, nevermind Jan 04 10:35:35 /home is 2gb Jan 04 10:35:39 what's the point to separate root from /home? Jan 04 10:36:03 /home/opt is the point Jan 04 10:36:37 yeah, found it already Jan 04 10:36:46 ... Jan 04 10:37:15 but why not just make 2gb rootfs? Jan 04 10:37:40 the chip is 256meg Jan 04 10:37:47 Morning, all Jan 04 10:38:11 the other chip is 32 marketing-gigs, divided into swap, /home and MyDocs Jan 04 10:38:13 it makes sense. if you are curious why, check devel list for debate Jan 04 10:39:04 marketing gigs introduced by a crap company in 1994 iirc Jan 04 10:39:24 megs back then Jan 04 10:39:41 slonopotamus: the rootfs is on a oneNand chip (fast writes, fast random access, long durability), and the home is on emmc (moviNand), slow writes, slow random access. Jan 04 10:41:36 would you rather not see emus bypass pa, konttori? Jan 04 10:41:58 sorry, what do you mean? Jan 04 10:42:00 konttori, have benchmark numbers? :) Jan 04 10:42:25 would you prefer if emus didnt bypass pulseaudio Jan 04 10:42:36 someone wants to test newer hildon-desktop on n900? Jan 04 10:42:45 no warranty at all Jan 04 10:42:56 konttori, booting my n800 from sd isn't slower than booting it from builtin flash Jan 04 10:43:02 slonopotamus: no, I don' have them at hand. Jan 04 10:43:13 Yes, reads are about the same speed on both Jan 04 10:43:37 the gpodder author complained gpodder startup was slower once he optified it... Jan 04 10:43:40 also, SD is again different tech, and the chips tend to have some cache to balance off the slow writes. Jan 04 10:43:53 ... Jan 04 10:43:53 hrw isnt that coming out with next firmware? Jan 04 10:44:10 ManuelSE: I nave newer one Jan 04 10:44:13 built Jan 04 10:44:17 cool Jan 04 10:44:26 how much do you writer to 256-mb root, uh? Jan 04 10:44:36 s/writer/write/ Jan 04 10:44:37 slonopotamus meant: how much do you write to 256-mb root, uh? Jan 04 10:44:45 i cannot risk it right now sorry Jan 04 10:45:15 it's the small writes that really hurt Jan 04 10:45:20 slonopotamus: usually the writes are for db related activities on maemo - and no, on fremantle, almost no writes take place on rootfs. Jan 04 10:45:48 ShadowJK, how many small srites do you do to rootfs? Jan 04 10:46:01 all user data is in /home Jan 04 10:46:43 you might as well argue keyboard layout Jan 04 10:46:44 The question is how many writes do you do to /home and MyDocs Jan 04 10:47:36 Hm, somebody's claimed production n900 had that "falling off receptable" problem fixed. Jan 04 10:47:58 ShadowJK, i don't see any reason to use 256mb chip at all. it just introduced tons of problems (optification, yep) Jan 04 10:49:01 * slonopotamus attempts to reorganize his n900 disk layout Jan 04 10:49:36 The times when you want to read executables and libraries is when you're under memory pressure, and then you'll have swap activity, and those writes will drown out reads.. Jan 04 10:50:36 you want to read executables when you launch them :) Jan 04 10:50:36 viel spass beim verschlimmbessern Jan 04 10:51:00 optification is kinda silly. why bother with symlinks and all, just configure with --prefix /opt/maemo or something... and maybe calling it /usr/local to start with would've made more sense Jan 04 10:51:24 ShadowJK: ld.so.conf will be insane :P Jan 04 10:51:29 hmm Jan 04 10:51:48 stskeeps: works with /usr/local ? Jan 04 10:52:13 can i alias configure="configure --prefix /opt/maemo" in sbox? Jan 04 10:52:24 Let's just ignore the guidelines saying /opt is supposed to be /opt/application/* Jan 04 10:52:40 oh right Jan 04 10:52:43 I agree on the above. Jan 04 10:52:48 and treat it as /usr/local or whatever Jan 04 10:53:01 that's the right spirit! Jan 04 10:53:03 Stskeeps, yeah, changing each and every package _again_ is much simpler Jan 04 10:53:36 I think the choice is something to be done on per project, per maintainer basis. Jan 04 10:54:01 i choose 32-gb partition mounted at /. Jan 04 10:54:03 But hey, it's better than N8x0 which had no extra space for apps at all :) Jan 04 10:54:31 ShadowJK, boot from sd and forget all this 256mb crap :) Jan 04 10:55:05 Stskeeps, you have bootmenu working on n900, correct? Jan 04 10:55:11 fucking watchdog... Jan 04 10:56:10 * ShadowJK has only been killed by watchdog once on n900 so far :D Jan 04 10:56:27 * RST38h reMoos Jan 04 10:58:22 slonopotamus: right Jan 04 10:58:30 slonopotamus: but i'm not sure PR1.0 is multiboot stable Jan 04 10:58:32 ok, now my n900 is in reboot hell Jan 04 10:59:01 Stskeeps, pr1.0 - ? Jan 04 10:59:08 slonopotamus: 42.11 firmware Jan 04 10:59:22 slonopotamus: the initial firmware on production n900s Jan 04 11:00:23 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/blender2.5alpha-maemo5/ Jan 04 11:00:24 woot Jan 04 11:00:25 :) Jan 04 11:01:06 ehhehe Jan 04 11:01:15 Now need Matlab. Jan 04 11:01:45 octave too Jan 04 11:02:06 well, blender has a game engine Jan 04 11:02:15 would be interesting if that worked well Jan 04 11:05:24 at 1fps, probably Jan 04 11:06:31 any good news from your end, ali1234 ? Jan 04 11:15:08 So, I hear I'm not the only one who has had a preproduction n900 lose its miocrousb port? Jan 04 11:15:16 hmm, so why does my blog entry not show up on planet maemo? and who to ping about this? :-/ Jan 04 11:15:52 * RST38h sighs at andre Jan 04 11:16:46 ccooke: a few seem to not be seated properly and pull-out Jan 04 11:17:06 andre: file a bug at bugzilla Jan 04 11:17:31 pupnik: that's the one. Has there been any suggestion that nokia will do repair or replacement? Jan 04 11:17:33 pupnik: The way I heard it, they are all surface mounted (including production models) so they come off Jan 04 11:19:40 andre__: X-Fade. Jan 04 11:19:58 andre__: And presumably perhaps because of the new blog which has been introduced by "Unknown author" coming all in in one go. Jan 04 11:20:29 (... hell, I'd be willing to pay (within reason) for a repair) Jan 04 11:21:54 andre__ news update is about once an hour Jan 04 11:22:01 ccooke: can you stick it back in and get a connection? Jan 04 11:22:43 tekojo: see http://maemo.org/news//planet-maemo/category/feed:dc20fa196db95934cf422cacd1cd8471/ - http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/2010/01/01/2009-bugzilla-statistics-for-maemo-org-and-gnome/ is missing though it has a "maemo" category Jan 04 11:23:06 pupnik: that'll be my fallback if I can't get someone to do it for me. At least, I'll attempt it! Jan 04 11:28:35 hi Jan 04 11:29:14 i accidentally unmounted my memory cars,how do i mount it back?its not in fstab (i have a n900) Jan 04 11:29:40 LuciusMare: have you removed the back? Jan 04 11:29:45 reboot. easiest way Jan 04 11:30:32 09:05 [Freenode] DCC SEND from bear [0.0.0.0 port 0]: поɦʞɔпɟ [0B bytes] requested in channel #maemo Jan 04 11:30:35 09:10 [Freenode] DCC aborted receiving file поɦʞɔпɟ from bear Jan 04 11:30:35 cool Jan 04 11:32:19 SpeedEvil: no Jan 04 11:34:59 * asj_ dances Jan 04 11:35:29 * Hrww reflashes Jan 04 11:35:55 I have my first useful maemo5 app running on the device and working :P) Jan 04 11:36:00 * LuciusMare would like to moumt Jan 04 11:36:23 i mean,whats the /device Jan 04 11:38:05 red he was k-lined after Jan 04 11:46:07 lucismare just reboot Jan 04 11:46:31 but...but... Jan 04 11:46:36 what Jan 04 11:46:43 that will break my uptime! Jan 04 11:46:46 asj_, so you managed to install liqflow then :D Jan 04 11:46:56 lcuk: hmm? Jan 04 11:47:13 most useful app award Jan 04 11:47:13 o.o Jan 04 11:48:38 lcuk: ah no, I wrote a scheduler with qt 4.6 so you can switch silent/general at certain times. I'll expand it to do more timed events for dcop controls Jan 04 11:48:51 lucismare /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 type vfat Jan 04 11:52:20 ifreq: how do you know? :p Jan 04 11:52:44 * hrw wants dpkg-repack for maemo5 Jan 04 11:54:05 conboy updated Jan 04 11:55:52 SpeedEvil: hi :) Jan 04 11:56:38 SpeedEvil: need your opinion: is "Differentiation" (meaning what makes one company's products different from other's) a buzz word? Does it have any connotations with press-releases or PR department? Jan 04 12:00:20 red: saw it afterwards Jan 04 12:00:26 red: and it happened yesterday Jan 04 12:01:02 how do i restart media daemons? Jan 04 12:01:17 "Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls" has to be one of the best announcement titles on t.m.o :) Jan 04 12:03:03 ~hail dpkg-repack Jan 04 12:03:04 * infobot bows down to dpkg-repack and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Jan 04 12:03:13 ~curse nokia for not providing packages Jan 04 12:03:14 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia for not providing packages ! Jan 04 12:04:08 hrw, what packages? Jan 04 12:04:12 zaheerm, around? Jan 04 12:04:19 yep Jan 04 12:04:54 zaheerm, why none of your gstreamer packages have a postrm script for removing filetypes recognition from tracker upon package removal? Jan 04 12:05:03 brb Jan 04 12:05:20 TomaszD, because I forgot to put them! Jan 04 12:06:15 :) Jan 04 12:06:18 ZFS is a 128-bit file system, so it can address 18 quintillion (1.84 × 1019) times more data than current 64-bit systems. The limitations of ZFS are designed to be so large that they would never be encountered, given the known limits of physics (and the number of atoms in the earth's crust to build such a storage device). Jan 04 12:06:22 zaheerm, I noticed that while making gstreamer0.10-rm Jan 04 12:06:23 did someone actually do the math on that? Jan 04 12:06:38 TomaszD, thx for spotting Jan 04 12:06:50 Macer: but what if we start harvesting mars Jan 04 12:06:55 see! Jan 04 12:06:57 that's what i said! Jan 04 12:07:02 Macer: 2^128 Jan 04 12:07:02 or the moon Jan 04 12:07:08 we can get more atoms from the moon Jan 04 12:07:11 zaheerm, it's really troublesome for people who remove my decoders-support package, because flv files stay as recognized in the media player :( Jan 04 12:07:16 Macer: lots, lots of data Jan 04 12:07:30 zaheerm, I'll have versioned deps on your packages once you release fixes Jan 04 12:07:33 TomaszD, i'm creating a new package for extras-devel Jan 04 12:07:36 Although, you can of course represent all the atoms in the universe in a zillion diffierent ways and overload ZFS Jan 04 12:07:57 RST38h: yeah well... :) Jan 04 12:08:07 dpkg-deb: building package `browser-neteal' in `./browser-neteal_0.6.10.1.1+0m5_armel.deb'. Jan 04 12:08:07 TomaszD: calendar for example Jan 04 12:08:07 TomaszD: once removed, cannot be installed Jan 04 12:08:09 i just thought it was funny that someone made that statement Jan 04 12:08:19 we can't do it with all the atoms in the earth's crust Jan 04 12:08:26 earth's crust isn't that thick Jan 04 12:08:32 i'm sure we can find some atoms underneath it Jan 04 12:09:11 zaheerm, which ones are yours again? -flv, -ogg, -flac? Jan 04 12:09:18 err... no > turned up on n900??? Jan 04 12:09:36 So, gentlemen, Gweled or Battle Gweled? Jan 04 12:09:42 hrw, why would you want to remove the calendar? Jan 04 12:09:43 What should I install? Jan 04 12:10:05 TomaszD: that was example Jan 04 12:10:52 Thanks for the help TomaszD - the 'feeds' that don't work are simply broken/fraudulent/not-feeds Jan 04 12:11:01 pupnik, np :) Jan 04 12:12:59 zaheerm, I'm planning to release gstreamer0.10-musepack, will you be around to help today CET? You weren't yesterday, I've had a terrifying time figuring this stuff out for gstreamer0.10-rm Jan 04 12:13:17 I've already ported and optified the musepack decoder Jan 04 12:13:26 yes Jan 04 12:13:30 i am here today Jan 04 12:13:33 cool Jan 04 12:13:36 :) Jan 04 12:13:39 i have been ill since 20/12 Jan 04 12:13:46 so have hardly been around Jan 04 12:13:54 ahh, I'm sorry to hear that, but you're ok now? Jan 04 12:14:04 getting better Jan 04 12:14:19 my brain has been vegetating over xmas/new year Jan 04 12:14:26 so many things i'm now behind on Jan 04 12:14:28 caught something in Barcelona? ;) Jan 04 12:14:32 yes Jan 04 12:14:42 i went to bcn again the following week after long weekend Jan 04 12:14:47 so i'm pretty sure bcn contributed Jan 04 12:14:55 or airplanes Jan 04 12:15:02 pigflu? Jan 04 12:15:05 I was meaning to speak with you there but I got pretty busy Jan 04 12:15:17 tybollt, yah well i had the symptoms Jan 04 12:15:27 the air in airplanes is very very bad, ever since they banned smoking (ironically) Jan 04 12:15:30 tybollt, and took the tamiflu that the docs prescribed me Jan 04 12:15:41 good thing you've recovered now though (I take it?). Jan 04 12:15:50 yep mostly recovered Jan 04 12:16:02 at least back to work again Jan 04 12:16:02 swine flu was a joke though Jan 04 12:16:07 good, because you need to fix your gstreamer package(s) Jan 04 12:16:09 ;) Jan 04 12:16:25 fixing :) Jan 04 12:16:40 but it's extremely easy, you probably know, same as postinst, but replace -a with -d Jan 04 12:18:27 tracker-update-ontology -c Music -d application/x-pn-realaudio audio/vnd.rn-realaudio audio/x-pn-realaudio Jan 04 12:18:55 tomaszD it removed mime types when i uninstalled your package Jan 04 12:19:12 MaemohammadAG, that's because it's my package, not zaheerm's Jan 04 12:19:30 oh Jan 04 12:19:53 check gstreamer0.10-flv as an example Jan 04 12:19:53 :) Jan 04 12:20:02 I'm looking at the rest now.. Jan 04 12:20:08 his packages actually work unlike mine ;) Jan 04 12:20:17 btw i'm getting a lot of could not get files by MIME type, Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. errors Jan 04 12:20:54 zaheerm, it took my about 3hrs to figure things out enough to produce a safe package for realmedia support Jan 04 12:21:40 I was very close to just ripping libraries out and forcing them in the right place without any build systems Jan 04 12:21:46 :) if you need gst related help, just ping in here...i'm around most weekdays during day Jan 04 12:22:22 by day i mean 10am - 7pm CET (9am - 6pm GMT) Jan 04 12:22:34 zaheerm, if you have a moment, take a look at the -rm package, there still might be a major screw-up somewhere, hopefully not though Jan 04 12:23:14 ok will take a look after i submit better flv/other packages Jan 04 12:23:38 also, I've noticed that the -bad set also has a realmedia decoder of sorts Jan 04 12:23:59 but from the docs on gstreamer's website, I gather it's only for streams? Jan 04 12:24:04 rmdemux from ugly is the one to use Jan 04 12:24:16 good, it's the one I'm using Jan 04 12:24:36 tracker refuses to index my .rmvb sample though Jan 04 12:24:43 all the streaming bits for real are now in ugly unless i missed something Jan 04 12:24:52 although I've put a lot of trouble into mimetype recognition Jan 04 12:25:11 what's the right signal to catch to determine when the user selects an entry in a HildonTouchSelector? The "changed" is triggered if the store changes... Jan 04 12:25:21 clicked? Jan 04 12:25:48 RST38h : Was that for me? Jan 04 12:26:47 yes? Jan 04 12:26:51 kulve, around? Your gstreamer0.10-flac package also doesn't have a postrm script AFAICS Jan 04 12:27:00 * RST38h moos at ab Jan 04 12:27:42 RST38h : HildonTouchSelector does not implement the "clicked" signal. Jan 04 12:27:56 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/moobox/ - wheres the sauce? Jan 04 12:28:44 PaulFertser: not really. It's kind of a straightforward term. Jan 04 12:30:12 RST38h, hi Jan 04 12:30:31 neal: do any of its parents implement clicked? Jan 04 12:31:11 RST38h : No. Jan 04 12:31:38 zaheerm, there's a guy asking for SDP streams support. I know there's sdpdemux, but will the media player be able to handle it? Jan 04 12:31:41 http://regmedia.co.uk/2010/01/04/fs_1.jpg Jan 04 12:31:46 no Jan 04 12:31:59 well if they download the sdp Jan 04 12:32:07 then it could... Jan 04 12:32:10 ah, so pointless then Jan 04 12:32:11 RST38h : Am I correct in that you haven't used this widget? Jan 04 12:32:15 but usually you don't download an ssp Jan 04 12:32:16 I'll reply to him Jan 04 12:32:27 it is usually provided out of band like over rtsp Jan 04 12:32:37 hello Jan 04 12:33:07 neal: actually, I have, just in a different context Jan 04 12:33:08 jebba, i tried your howto yesterday and it worked the installation Jan 04 12:33:32 jebba, now i am trying on another pc and it gives me the gui installation to configure proxy settings ? Jan 04 12:33:35 RST38h : How do you react when the user selects something? Jan 04 12:33:46 RST38h : Or do you only do that on some button click? Jan 04 12:34:00 neal: I do not. I call hildon_touch_selector_get_selected_rows Jan 04 12:34:27 * VDVsx yawns Jan 04 12:35:19 can anyone help me with this ? "why the gui installer tells me to confgiure prxoy settings?" and doesn't accept none settings? Jan 04 12:38:36 anyone plz? Jan 04 12:39:45 tomaszD is there something wrong with the latest package? i'm getting no songs and no videos in the media player app Jan 04 12:40:16 MaemohammadAG, turn your phone off and on again Jan 04 12:40:24 selinux i get it Jan 04 12:40:27 anyway thnx Jan 04 12:40:50 kk Jan 04 12:41:04 any other way tomaszd? Jan 04 12:41:12 hi Jan 04 12:41:15 like restarting the daemons manually or sth? Jan 04 12:41:27 MaemohammadAG, not sure, you could also restart tracker I guess Jan 04 12:42:17 restarting tablet Jan 04 12:45:24 25kg of cocaine hits Spanish supermarket shelves Jan 04 12:45:44 rst hm I wonder what you read the whole day Jan 04 12:45:57 how do I control tracker? initctl list doesn't even have tracker on it Jan 04 12:46:07 it's not a daemon? Jan 04 12:46:55 there's no tracker-control binary Jan 04 12:47:46 ok that's not good, tracker-status segfaults Jan 04 12:48:07 oh oh Jan 04 12:48:36 nah, false alarm, don't run as root :) Jan 04 12:48:42 *g* Jan 04 12:48:51 shouldnt segfaul Jan 04 12:48:52 t Jan 04 12:48:54 but exit Jan 04 12:49:00 and warning dont run as root Jan 04 12:49:06 hi, i am playing with data sharing template, but i am not able to debug it. I written SharingPluginInterfaceAccountValidateResult validate (SharingAccount* account, ConIcConnection* con, gboolean *cont, gboolean* dead_mans_switch), but i am not able to debug it somehow Jan 04 12:49:25 probably Jan 04 12:50:39 i mean, i cannot see the output of printf() or U_LOG_DEBUG anywhere Jan 04 12:51:34 there is just too much to learn Jan 04 12:51:57 do you have syslog installed? Jan 04 12:52:23 if so, it might end up in /var/log Jan 04 12:52:31 just guessing though Jan 04 12:53:55 i am using scratchbox, so i guess the ubuntu syslog is used Jan 04 12:56:04 woglinde: That was pretty harmless, The Register Jan 04 12:56:43 how to remove half of system: "apt-get install coreutils" from sdk Jan 04 12:57:42 * RST38h wonders if there is a way to prevent tracker from autoindexing the data Jan 04 12:57:59 RST38h: edit its config Jan 04 12:58:28 TomaszD, ok new flv package on autobuilder Jan 04 12:58:36 and then have a button named "INDEX" Jan 04 12:58:55 zaheerm, cool, thanks Jan 04 12:59:19 wow guys, after month+ using n900 i've seen famous screen flicker in web browser and spontaneous reboot the first time :-) Jan 04 12:59:40 i thought it is kinda urban legend ;-) Jan 04 13:00:43 though older tablets were quite easy to crash with web browser Jan 04 13:00:46 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39141 Organize program launcher icons - looks promising Jan 04 13:00:51 and 770 did it all the time Jan 04 13:00:58 Anyone seen a bug where media player applet no longer reacts to pressing the play button? Jan 04 13:01:20 RST38h: do you get a yellow-bar error message, or nothing? Jan 04 13:01:26 nothing Jan 04 13:01:38 Ok, different problem Jan 04 13:02:06 rst38h: sometimes Jan 04 13:02:15 hrw: surely it asked first if you're sure you want to proceed ;) Jan 04 13:02:18 any preconditions to that? Jan 04 13:02:41 rst38h: none Jan 04 13:03:08 anyone seen a bug where the timestamps in the mail client are all 10 minutes ahead of their real values? Jan 04 13:03:33 i've been seeing this ever since i changed timezones Jan 04 13:03:39 TomaszD, it's in, can you check it works please Jan 04 13:03:45 Weirdly even reboot does not fix that Jan 04 13:03:55 Only fixes itself if you remove the widget, then add it again Jan 04 13:04:00 actually it is just the list view; message view is correct Jan 04 13:04:12 ShadowJK: of course it asked, I said no Jan 04 13:04:25 zaheerm, thanks, I'll versionize the -flv dep to pull your new package Jan 04 13:07:03 maybe someone could take a look over my source code and tell me what to modify to see debuging messages (printf, U_LOG_ERR, etc.) http://pcmlich.fit.vutbr.cz/sharing-service-youtube.tgz Jan 04 13:09:05 04 sty 2010, 00:07:37: Tracker-Critical **: Could not open directory 'file:///home/user/MyDocs/.camera': No such file or directory Jan 04 13:09:08 wth Jan 04 13:09:40 there never was a .camera folder Jan 04 13:10:19 so it is in template. But anyway, I created the directory .camera Jan 04 13:11:28 joejoe, what do you mean "it is in the template" Jan 04 13:11:41 so the tracker template is wrong, is that what you're saying? Jan 04 13:12:30 hmm. i wonder why some operators don't want to have the N900 in their program Jan 04 13:12:44 they can't lock it down Jan 04 13:12:49 SpeedEvil: thanks :) Jan 04 13:13:06 this awesome SMS integration causes even guys like me to 1) write SMSes Jan 04 13:13:12 2) to write them often Jan 04 13:13:24 3) and to accidentally create multipart SMSes Jan 04 13:13:24 unfortunately that's also true for me Jan 04 13:13:40 so the SMS part should put $$$ signs into their greedy eyes Jan 04 13:13:41 TomaszD, just my misunderstanding, there is nothing about .camera folder in template or in my code Jan 04 13:13:45 tbf, sms on n900 is uber cool Jan 04 13:13:55 its same as on iphone tbh Jan 04 13:13:58 chat view Jan 04 13:13:58 my missus however doesnt like it when i send txts with 1 word in each Jan 04 13:14:19 lol lcuk, my gf is whining about how i use sms as im Jan 04 13:14:26 joejoe, no, I was generally talking about the N900's tracker daemon, not your code Jan 04 13:14:28 whole flowing paragraphs with my unlimited txt account :D i can read em but it messes her up Jan 04 13:14:30 'it's just slow IRC' doesn't work well in some cases. Jan 04 13:14:42 frals, it makes you want sms account Jan 04 13:14:43 * Arkenoi sms'ed alot with e90, now with n900 i use IM mostly Jan 04 13:14:53 before the n900 i rarely if ever used sms, but now i use it like irc Jan 04 13:14:57 (ie a fuckload) Jan 04 13:15:01 lcuk: seems you've got a valentines gift :-D Jan 04 13:15:20 tbf :) plans are already afoot Jan 04 13:15:31 lcuk: same here actually... I use to loath sending those blasted texts... Jan 04 13:15:34 * lcuk will give her a pink one Jan 04 13:15:43 i used it a lot before as well but now its even more Jan 04 13:15:48 <3 qwerty Jan 04 13:15:58 its the conversation aspect Jan 04 13:16:00 lcuk: problem is my current subscription has unlimited voice - restricted (so get very expensive) texts ;P Jan 04 13:16:02 old phone had 1 txt Jan 04 13:16:04 no context Jan 04 13:16:09 lcuk: not having to remember context Jan 04 13:16:27 lcuk: of course that screws conversation partners with no context :) Jan 04 13:16:29 lcuk: s/old phone/most phones/ Jan 04 13:16:47 tybollt, pay as i go, £15 a month gives access to an o2 bolton in the uk, unlimited sms and same 3g internet Jan 04 13:17:02 SpeedEvil, yeah Jan 04 13:17:14 hence mrs getting angry and wondering why i sent a text saying "and" Jan 04 13:17:24 haaha :D Jan 04 13:17:24 before the rest of the flood arrives Jan 04 13:17:28 (they come out of order) Jan 04 13:17:40 unfortunately here the SMS is cash cow for all operators :( Jan 04 13:17:47 same here Jan 04 13:17:56 edheldil: same here in sweden. Jan 04 13:17:57 * SpeedEvil is cheap - hence 20 quid for 6 month internet package and avoiding texting and calling on PAYG. :) Jan 04 13:18:00 its funny Jan 04 13:18:11 without the bolton i would *easily* burn through £10 credit in a day Jan 04 13:18:17 i got 3000 sms/mms here.. most ive used in a month is like 800 :( Jan 04 13:18:20 with just a couple of messages and a quick check on google Jan 04 13:18:35 lcuk: bolton is a footy team to me, what's that mean? :) Jan 04 13:18:40 frals, how many MMSs do you have Jan 04 13:18:49 "bolt on" Jan 04 13:18:53 its 3000 combined Jan 04 13:18:54 as SMS uses signaling path which is necessary for GMS networks and doesn't cost anything extra to the phone firms Jan 04 13:18:56 add on extra service to account Jan 04 13:18:57 oh, sorry, hehe ;) Jan 04 13:19:18 basicly that means that SMS costs nothing to the service provider, but they get lots of money from it Jan 04 13:19:28 Muhvi: meaningless. Jan 04 13:19:51 Muhvi: it costs something - of course it does. Maintaining and building out the network is not free. Jan 04 13:19:53 frals: frals what subscriptions is that? Jan 04 13:20:12 SpeedEvil, of course, but if you have people who talk with phones, the signaling pathway is necessary Jan 04 13:20:17 and SMS is freebie Jan 04 13:20:19 Muhvi: just because one aspect of that service is easy to deliver, and cheap... Jan 04 13:20:40 tele2 kompis, its only within tele2 afaik, but i tihnk they have a add-on that gives you free sms to everyone Jan 04 13:21:10 how to subscribe to a bug in bugs.maemo.org? Jan 04 13:21:18 SpeedEvil, i get your point, of course it is much more efficient use of network when sms are used and you can get money from them Jan 04 13:21:42 dpkg-repack: File not found: /usr/share/doc/as-config-applet-l10n-svse/copyright Jan 04 13:21:43 dpkg-repack: File not found: /usr/share/doc/as-config-applet-l10n-svse/changelog.gz Jan 04 13:21:51 hrw: docpurge Jan 04 13:21:55 nice way of getting free space... Jan 04 13:22:05 Stskeeps: they should not package it then Jan 04 13:22:05 but for example sending email is much more demanding to the network than SMS Jan 04 13:22:37 being impatient with the browser really screws things up Jan 04 13:22:38 hrw: debian policy Jan 04 13:23:15 here I have 70 minutes _or_ ~300 sms for 20$. The operators suck here :( Jan 04 13:23:20 Stskeeps: please... since when maemo follows any policies except own ones? Jan 04 13:24:02 * hrw back in few Jan 04 13:24:31 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kte4RZXcH08 <- Warzone 2100 on N900 - new build / faster, harder, better... Jan 04 13:25:35 Wait, duke nukem 3d? Jan 04 13:25:38 ok, I figured out Jan 04 13:28:01 pupnik: Upload to extras? =) Jan 04 13:28:21 How do you get Duke 3d? Jan 04 13:28:25 is it extras-devel? Jan 04 13:28:58 if sms is so light, how come there are 6 hours delay when people send "happy new year!" :) Jan 04 13:29:26 ShadowJK because everyone write sms Jan 04 13:30:22 root's full again :( Jan 04 13:30:54 thinking about repartitioning it, but i don't want a small MyDocs partition Jan 04 13:31:34 you can't repartition root Jan 04 13:31:39 it is on a 256M device Jan 04 13:32:39 so what's the method on tmo for? Jan 04 13:33:04 I would hesitate to say what anything on TMO is for. Jan 04 13:33:14 lol Jan 04 13:33:41 Why don't you go moving things from root to opt and tell us when you reflash Jan 04 13:33:50 so what's the best way to have apps on extras-devel w/o filling up root Jan 04 13:34:18 reboot occasionally - some things seem to eat space Jan 04 13:34:31 apt-get clean helps Jan 04 13:34:45 last reboot was ah hour ago Jan 04 13:35:36 an* Jan 04 13:36:41 out of curiosity, show du -s /usr/bin Jan 04 13:37:02 anyone knows how cut and paste on osso-xterm works on n900? Jan 04 13:37:26 hit the pointer icon Jan 04 13:37:28 select Jan 04 13:37:31 ctrl-c Jan 04 13:37:33 tap pointer, paint text, tap menu, tap copy Jan 04 13:37:35 IIRC Jan 04 13:37:40 or that'll work Jan 04 13:37:50 ctrl c kills processes Jan 04 13:37:59 TomaszD: why should it have postrm script? Jan 04 13:38:08 ShadowJK pointer? Jan 04 13:38:11 This guitar kills fascists Jan 04 13:38:18 whats the pointer? Jan 04 13:38:34 lower left on terminal - arrow icon Jan 04 13:38:36 the pointer on the bar with tab Jan 04 13:38:37 left bottom corner, there's a pointer icon Jan 04 13:38:37 ah Jan 04 13:38:40 got it Jan 04 13:38:42 yeah Jan 04 13:38:43 thanks Jan 04 13:38:54 is there a voicemail program for maemo? Jan 04 13:39:00 kulve, to de-register flash video mimetype upon package removal Jan 04 13:39:12 kulve, oops, not flash, flac Jan 04 13:39:48 kulve, otherwise if you remove your package, the flac files (and possibly ogg files too) stay in the Media Player but you can't play them Jan 04 13:39:48 Anyone used one of these: http://www.amazon.co.uk/U-Bop-PowerSURE-Performance-Battery-XpressMusic/dp/B002SS3GBC/ref=sr_1_24/279-5234104-3229754?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1262611442&sr=1-24 ? Jan 04 13:40:05 kulve, they should be de-indexed Jan 04 13:40:27 pupnik_ 24576 /usr/bin Jan 04 13:40:33 TomaszD: the gstreamer packages just add/remove codecs. Ogg-support package has the postinst/rm scripts to handle Media Player / Tracker specific stuff Jan 04 13:41:25 MaemohammadAG: 23468/usr/bin Jan 04 13:41:37 rootfs 233344 184716 44344 81% / Jan 04 13:41:50 kulve, oh sorry, I just noticed that. I was under the impression that they weren't doing their job anyway. ;) Jan 04 13:42:23 rootfs 232868 223832 4752 98% / Jan 04 13:42:34 du /var/cache/apt/archives Jan 04 13:42:55 0 Jan 04 13:43:04 well something aint right there Jan 04 13:43:06 i did an apt-get clean Jan 04 13:43:20 extras-devel? Jan 04 13:43:49 all repos enabled here Jan 04 13:44:03 what's the command to show installed apps? Jan 04 13:44:17 i'll pastebin the list Jan 04 13:44:28 there are deluxe ways. i do dpkg -l |grep ii Jan 04 13:44:45 i won't look at your list Jan 04 13:45:37 * ccooke considers taking a risk on a second battery and http://www.eastmaze.com/BL-5J-Desktop-Battery-Charger-for-Nokia-5800-Comes-With-Music-p904.html?tkid=16¤cy=GBP until he can get his n900 fixed :-) Jan 04 13:46:54 is it BL-5J ? Jan 04 13:46:59 ccooke: you got a N8XX? Jan 04 13:47:00 ccooke: get two.. dismantle one and post pics Jan 04 13:47:10 (of the chips) Jan 04 13:47:42 My bet is that these chargers have battery protection chips instead of charging chips.. :) Jan 04 13:50:20 tigert: I had an n810 up until last week. Unfortunately it looks like the battery is dead Jan 04 13:50:40 ShadowJK: oh yes? Jan 04 13:51:27 ccooke: (with all possible disclaimers) it can charge the N900 battery iirc Jan 04 13:51:50 ... really? Jan 04 13:51:53 ccooke: oh, mine was like that too, had to be in charger for longer to actually boot up Jan 04 13:52:27 my n810 has been dying a little bit. Jan 04 13:52:44 for about six months... Ever since it got caught in the rain and the battery shrunk ;-) Jan 04 13:52:54 ccooke: you just need to hack the little tab in N810 so the N900 battery fits Jan 04 13:52:55 also Jan 04 13:53:17 it might explode, burn your dog, cause famine and earthquakes etc disclaimer Jan 04 13:53:22 etc etc Jan 04 13:53:25 *nod* Jan 04 13:53:29 but it seems to charge Jan 04 13:53:37 both are 3.7V Jan 04 13:54:35 What happens if I try swapping the battery with USB connected for "external" power? need to charge my spare, har! Jan 04 13:55:01 Gadgetoid_mbp: imagine the effect an old TV made when you turned if off Jan 04 13:55:04 *poof* Jan 04 13:55:19 unfortunately it is not usb power supply, just charger :/ Jan 04 13:55:51 Pfft! Jan 04 14:01:23 ok Jan 04 14:01:50 hello Jan 04 14:06:01 wow a t.m.o. user just claimed to have transferred files to N900 via IR receiver.... Jan 04 14:06:49 cunning. Jan 04 14:07:14 hehe Jan 04 14:07:15 via built-in IR receiver... Jan 04 14:07:21 sure, just get you tv's remote control, open the file in a hex editor on your computer, and start keying in the file on the remote Jan 04 14:07:28 ;) Jan 04 14:07:54 pupnik: is it really separate from the transmitter and on the front? Jan 04 14:08:20 and is located on the front even Jan 04 14:08:28 i don't know if it exists Jan 04 14:09:06 the proximity sensor does have an IR reciver. Jan 04 14:09:23 however - if it can be used for IR reception is unclear. Jan 04 14:09:34 how fast it is, how fast it can be polled Jan 04 14:10:02 CIR is like 300bps Jan 04 14:10:50 something like that, but you need to sample moderately faster than that. Jan 04 14:12:54 ehr, why would transmitting files via IR _not_ work (granted necesarry software might not be instaled by default)? :) Jan 04 14:13:16 because htere is no hardware designed for it Jan 04 14:13:26 tybollt, I'd assume the IR link must be bidirectional for transfers to work Jan 04 14:13:30 there is no dedicated IR reciever Jan 04 14:13:56 oh Jan 04 14:14:06 the camera, or the reciever of hte proximity sensor may work, but it's not straightforward in either case. Jan 04 14:14:35 Someone claiming to have 'just done it' wihtout writing software is at best confused. Jan 04 14:14:40 btw, I took a peek at the IR signal N900 produces and compared it to a tv remote, and it didn't seem to be much weaker. I suppose an actualy measureemnt would be required to get a better idea, though.. Jan 04 14:15:02 speedevil, my guess is they accidentally transferred over BT :P Jan 04 14:15:07 probably Jan 04 14:15:09 (s/they/he/) Jan 04 14:15:19 just open up your n900 and add some wires from the proximity sensor's ir receiver to the mic input, and lirc should pick it up ;p Jan 04 14:15:39 shadowjk, how about the 38kHz carrier signal, wouldn't it mess it up? Jan 04 14:15:49 flux: you don't picxk thatup Jan 04 14:16:01 indeed, but it doesn't cause problems? Jan 04 14:16:03 I suppose not Jan 04 14:16:08 flux: you just recxieve the baseband signal, and generate a guessaed caerrier Jan 04 14:16:12 on transmission. Jan 04 14:16:18 the accelerometer on the n900 is sensitive enough to detect when IR light is shone on it. it detects the beat frequency of the wavelengths as each photon hits the shiney surface Jan 04 14:16:48 lcuk, hey, that's a nice discovery! when can be expect software to do that for lirc?! ! Jan 04 14:16:52 lcuk: so that's why you polish your n900 all the time Jan 04 14:16:54 That is true, but the required intensity of IR is more easily detected by the case exploding. Jan 04 14:17:08 haha Jan 04 14:17:21 ShadowJK, it looks like im polishing my n900 Jan 04 14:17:29 but now you know the truth Jan 04 14:17:39 shadowjk, yeah, to keep the cover from going soft and lowering the impulse Jan 04 14:18:04 hmm. Jan 04 14:18:22 who would sacrifice their front camera for a little joystick... Jan 04 14:18:43 SpeedEvil: easily Jan 04 14:18:47 * SpeedEvil ponders hardware. Jan 04 14:19:16 problem is how you make it not poke your eardrum out ;O Jan 04 14:19:19 speedevil, purely mechanical hardware or what?-) Jan 04 14:19:27 SpeedEvil, we need a kempston interface Jan 04 14:19:51 ols school joysticks were amazing Jan 04 14:19:54 optomechanical Jan 04 14:19:56 old Jan 04 14:19:57 is there a serial interface in the device somewhere? under the battery? Jan 04 14:20:03 flux: probably Jan 04 14:20:08 yeah but we're not sure which one Jan 04 14:20:17 flux: I mean to investigate it, but havent got there yet Jan 04 14:20:31 I guess it could be used with relative ease, with those flexible thin plastic connectors Jan 04 14:20:54 I would pay money for a serial interface... Jan 04 14:21:05 ehr whitepaper whatever ) Jan 04 14:21:07 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking Jan 04 14:21:12 thanks Jan 04 14:21:19 flux: not really Jan 04 14:21:27 flux: there is no direct connector socket Jan 04 14:21:43 flux: At best it's a nasty mechanical hack or a solder job Jan 04 14:23:51 jesus.. Jan 04 14:27:23 Hmm, used zeemotes can be found at auction for cheap on occasion Jan 04 14:33:01 zaheerm, would you be able to tell why rmvb doesn't get indexed even though it's supposed to be? Jan 04 14:34:00 zaheerm, I'm sure that I'm adding the mimetypes correctly, because the same are used to detect realmedia files in the file manager, and that works fine Jan 04 14:36:36 TomaszD, as a test, do: gst-launch -v -m filesrc location=filename ! typefind ! fakesink Jan 04 14:36:43 where filename is your real media file Jan 04 14:39:35 zaheerm, lots and lots of output Jan 04 14:39:59 sorry Jan 04 14:40:08 add silent=true after fakesink :) Jan 04 14:40:23 then only relevant info will come Jan 04 14:41:03 hmm Jan 04 14:41:18 application/vnd.rn-realmedia Jan 04 14:41:24 fine Jan 04 14:41:28 seems ok Jan 04 14:41:42 the file plays fine when you run it from the file manager btw Jan 04 14:41:48 ok Jan 04 14:41:55 it just doesn't want to get indexed for some reason Jan 04 14:41:57 so tracker didn't index it properly Jan 04 14:42:18 it uses gstreamer's typefinding to figure out mimetypes Jan 04 14:42:24 /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Videos -a application/vnd.rn-realmedia video/vnd.rn-realvideo video/x-real-video Jan 04 14:42:38 yep i saw that in your src Jan 04 14:43:18 I even named it FUNNY.rmvb to see it clearly on the list Jan 04 14:43:24 nowhere to be found Jan 04 14:43:29 wonder if there's a way to test the tracker indexer Jan 04 14:44:20 it works fine for every other mimetype Jan 04 14:44:27 I even manually added the musepack mimetype Jan 04 14:44:31 and I have files indexed now Jan 04 14:44:36 yah so something is borked... Jan 04 14:45:02 mind you, the ffmpeg musepack decoder is broken badly Jan 04 14:45:13 that's why I need the gstreamer plugin Jan 04 14:47:36 hm, the mpc decoder in ffmpeg is fine through mplayer iirc Jan 04 14:48:32 gstreamer-ffmpeg is not what mplayer is using though, right? Jan 04 14:48:46 right Jan 04 14:48:52 :) Jan 04 14:48:58 time for some hacking Jan 04 14:49:12 I'm implying the bug is in gst not ffmpeg :P Jan 04 14:49:55 we'll see if I can get the -bad external musepack plugin to work instead Jan 04 14:50:12 I ported the plain decoder yesterday already Jan 04 14:56:26 <[K]wrk> anyone who uses jabber want to help me out real quick Jan 04 14:56:38 <[K]wrk> I just switched over, but it seems that even though I have 3 clients, only the 1st client gets messages Jan 04 14:56:42 <[K]wrk> all 3 can send though Jan 04 14:56:53 <[K]wrk> how do I change which client gets the responses? Jan 04 14:58:28 "tah intendnet iz gougle!" Jan 04 14:58:54 pupnik: Gesundheit! Jan 04 14:59:47 btw there is no mp3 encoder in n900's libavcodec Jan 04 15:00:49 [K]wrk, jabber clients usually have a "priority" field Jan 04 15:00:59 can anyone help me with the Jebbas SDK howto ? Jan 04 15:01:07 I never remember whether it's the one with a higher number that gets messages, or the one with a lower number Jan 04 15:01:21 mgedmin: or selected by user one Jan 04 15:01:29 usually I get the initial message to all my clients, and when I open a conversation in one of them, replies go only to that one Jan 04 15:01:53 hrw, yeah, what I meant was that this was a user-configurable field in the account settings Jan 04 15:02:40 jabber is complicated :( Jan 04 15:05:00 <[K]wrk> yea, thats whats fusckin me Jan 04 15:05:09 <[K]wrk> I can't figure out why my desktop at home has the top priority Jan 04 15:05:12 <[K]wrk> I read about htat Jan 04 15:05:19 <[K]wrk> but Im using psi and I dont even see a field for priority Jan 04 15:05:47 mgedmin, i have finished completely his guide but when i start Xephyr and gives me a black screen is it alright ? Jan 04 15:05:48 <[K]wrk> and Jan 04 15:05:49 <[K]wrk> I found it Jan 04 15:06:19 <[K]wrk> dimitris82, yea, if you dont start the actual manager, xephyr is only an X server running as an X cilent Jan 04 15:06:20 dimitris82, ??? Jan 04 15:06:49 <[K]wrk> dimitris82, have you logged into the scratchbox Jan 04 15:06:53 I got 2774 packages from dpkg-repack Jan 04 15:06:57 [K]wrk, yes Jan 04 15:07:03 <[K]wrk> then set the display variable to the new display number? Jan 04 15:07:08 * mgedmin doesn't know what "the Jebbas SDK howto" is Jan 04 15:07:41 <[K]wrk> then executed the scratchboard start command? Jan 04 15:07:44 export DISPLAY=:2 ? Jan 04 15:07:46 <[K]wrk> yes Jan 04 15:08:29 .. /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start? Jan 04 15:08:31 <[K]wrk> of course, you ran xephyr as display :2 right? Jan 04 15:08:49 [K]wrk, yes Jan 04 15:08:52 <[K]wrk> and once you do the scratchbox login, you should only have to type sbox_ctl start Jan 04 15:08:58 <[K]wrk> no need to specify the path Jan 04 15:09:22 am i need to exit from FREEMANTLE ? Jan 04 15:09:51 <[K]wrk> no, you must be in the scratchbox Jan 04 15:09:52 <[K]wrk> hold on Jan 04 15:09:57 :O Jan 04 15:10:43 <[K]wrk> I created this script inside my scratchbox login Jan 04 15:10:45 <[K]wrk> called it start Jan 04 15:10:47 <[K]wrk> #! /bin/sh Jan 04 15:10:47 <[K]wrk> export DISPLAY=:2 Jan 04 15:10:47 <[K]wrk> af-sb-init.sh start Jan 04 15:10:47 <[K]wrk> ~ Jan 04 15:10:47 <[K]wrk> ~ Jan 04 15:10:55 thnx a lot [K]wrk Jan 04 15:11:01 <[K]wrk> try that Jan 04 15:11:17 hi all! anyone knows what /usr/bin/intellisyncd does? it has been consuming almost 100% cpu for a while here. Jan 04 15:11:25 <[K]wrk> damn Jan 04 15:11:30 (maemo 5) Jan 04 15:15:31 <[K]wrk> mgedmin, thanks man, that fixed it, just had to remove the priority from the one client that HAD it set :) Jan 04 15:15:36 <[K]wrk> now the responses go everywhere Jan 04 15:16:00 <[K]wrk> mgedmin, do you know if its possible for jabber to send IM's to all clients that originate from one client? Jan 04 15:16:54 [K]wrk, but.. af-sb-init.sh isnt for root and scratchbox/login for user ? Jan 04 15:17:41 [K]wrk, (your nickname is unfriendly to type), what are "all clients that originate from one client"? Jan 04 15:17:52 not that I would know the answer anyway... Jan 04 15:18:29 basically all I know about Jabber is: set the "Resource" field to the name of your device in every different computer Jan 04 15:18:44 I'm not sure why (because you can't be logged in twice with the same resource?) Jan 04 15:18:45 Hi. I read about 2.2009.51-1 for N900 on talk.maemo.org. Is it available to the public already? Jan 04 15:18:55 sorry my mistake.. Jan 04 15:18:56 no Jan 04 15:19:00 also, some jabber clients let the user select to which resource he/she wants to send the message, maybe? Jan 04 15:19:07 it's all very complicated Jan 04 15:19:32 I set 3 resources Jan 04 15:19:40 removed all priorities Jan 04 15:19:44 finally all responses go to all clients Jan 04 15:19:58 I was just wondering if the original message could then be sent to all clients similar to the new windows live protocl Jan 04 15:20:02 not a big deal, I can live with this Jan 04 15:20:13 its basically the same as all multi IM systems have been up tot his point Jan 04 15:20:59 localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/locale: 10500 KiB Jan 04 15:21:03 ;D Jan 04 15:21:09 nice gain on n900 Jan 04 15:21:34 when i run : Xephyr 2.. i get this _XSERVTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListener() failed Jan 04 15:22:20 fatal server error: Cannot esablish any listening sockets - Make sure an X server isn't already running Jan 04 15:22:42 yeah hrw i do that out of habit. should get a mention somewhere Jan 04 15:24:39 when i start af-sb-init.sh start shouldnt i get errors right ? and running normally? Jan 04 15:25:14 dimitris82: for fremantle_x86 yes, not for armel Jan 04 15:25:24 dimitris82: and #maemo-devel Jan 04 15:25:42 hrw, i need to run X86 and armel at same time ? Jan 04 15:25:45 thnx hrw Jan 04 15:25:56 dimitris82: what for? Jan 04 15:26:15 hrw i only want to see the enviroment of maemo Jan 04 15:26:43 use x86 then Jan 04 15:28:13 hrw, browserd[4189]: GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - cannot open display: :2 Jan 04 15:28:33 hrw do you know what i do wrong? Jan 04 15:29:41 yea you can't run armel built binaries on anything but the device Jan 04 15:29:45 afaik Jan 04 15:29:57 dimitris82, that error sounds like you didn't run xephyr properly Jan 04 15:30:17 KamuiWrk, i get this : Cannot establish any listening sockets - Make sure an X server isn't already running Jan 04 15:30:24 Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -kb & Jan 04 15:30:27 try that Jan 04 15:30:33 thats how you should run Xephyr Jan 04 15:31:18 KamuiWrk, i am trying to run it on fedora 12 Jan 04 15:31:30 i think -kb doesnt need neither "&" Jan 04 15:31:56 KamuiWrk, i get the same and this one above _XSERVTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListener() failed Jan 04 15:32:37 xephyr shows you the blank window when you start it? Jan 04 15:32:42 <[Tycho]> I can run Xephyr only on :3 :( Jan 04 15:32:55 now nothing lol Jan 04 15:33:00 <[Tycho]> But maemo can't start with :3 Jan 04 15:33:36 [Tycho], lol i try it on 3 but blank screen again Jan 04 15:33:56 pupnik: good news on what? Jan 04 15:34:00 with (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (2) Jan 04 15:34:09 oh anything game or sound or video Jan 04 15:34:12 <[Tycho]> I get the blank screen on :3 and i think that it's normal since maemo is not started. Jan 04 15:34:29 [Tycho], how i can start maemo i am stuck with this Jan 04 15:34:41 af-sb-init.sh start ? Jan 04 15:34:45 try ripping out sdl sound from something and using alsa libs with pasuspender, for e.g. ali1234 Jan 04 15:34:46 pupnik: oh well, i only tried ogre3d so far, it compiles are runs quite fast but there is graphics corruption Jan 04 15:34:48 <[Tycho]> I'm stuck even more. Jan 04 15:34:54 nice Jan 04 15:35:08 <[Tycho]> I'm trying Maemo 2.2 SDK Jan 04 15:35:23 pupnik: i tried pasuspender but it doesn't work very well Jan 04 15:35:32 <[Tycho]> Can someone have a look at http://tr00.ru/ub_01.png ? Jan 04 15:35:34 i am having too many errors on GLIB when i try to start af-sb-init.sh Jan 04 15:35:59 ali1234: with sdl_sound_alsa i never got clean sound. with aplay, mplayer it's perfect Jan 04 15:36:23 <[Tycho]> Do you start maemo in the same console as Xephyr ? I get much more errors when i use other terminal. Jan 04 15:36:33 i find same. i never get clean sound with SDL because it is using so much CPU that it stutters after every buffer Jan 04 15:37:00 dimitris82, thats a good point, you may already have another x server running on :2 Jan 04 15:37:06 just change that to another number in every instance Jan 04 15:37:15 maybe you're running a vnc server Jan 04 15:37:19 thnx KamuiWrk Jan 04 15:37:20 or something else, who knows Jan 04 15:37:53 <[Tycho]> Did anyone get to run SDK for n770 at all ? Jan 04 15:39:07 [Tycho], i look at your image and i found the same error when i run af-sb-init.sh LOL Jan 04 15:39:14 segmentation faul Jan 04 15:39:15 t Jan 04 15:39:21 btw after 4-5 days uptime [omap2_mcspi] appears in top consuming 15-25% cpu, is it normal? Jan 04 15:40:14 no Jan 04 15:40:17 that 10 2 root RW 0 0.0 26.6 [omap2_mcspi] Jan 04 15:40:26 writing reading 2MB/s from mmc1 Jan 04 15:40:52 i just happened to be scp-ing at the moment Jan 04 15:41:40 i did reboot and it came back to normal cpu consumption Jan 04 15:41:47 good morning there pupnik Jan 04 15:41:57 maybe a reboot needs to fix that ? right ? :D Jan 04 15:41:59 hahah Jan 04 15:42:03 I started implementing the opengles wrapper Jan 04 15:42:10 this is gonna take weeks Jan 04 15:42:36 <[Tycho]> dimitris82, what nokia model you want to develop for ? Jan 04 15:42:40 * Arkenoi thinks on oolite port, but that may be too much for a hobbyst project Jan 04 15:42:46 why they dont put QT Creator with the maemo 5 sdk to finish easily ? :P Jan 04 15:42:55 [Tycho], i just order N900 :P Jan 04 15:43:18 <[Tycho]> dimitris82, you can download ready to launch virtual machine image. Jan 04 15:43:39 GNUstep and stuff Jan 04 15:43:41 [Tycho], it needs virtualbox right ? i show that article Jan 04 15:43:43 might be tricky Jan 04 15:43:55 <[Tycho]> It needs Virutal PC. Jan 04 15:44:01 <[Tycho]> *virtual Jan 04 15:44:04 [Tycho], i am sort of newbie it would be nice to start playing with these :P Jan 04 15:44:18 * pupnik waves pom-poms and cheers gooooOOO KamuiWrk ! Jan 04 15:44:21 <[Tycho]> It's for newbies, i suppose. Jan 04 15:44:36 anyway thnx for all your help see ya Jan 04 15:44:38 ambitious :D Jan 04 15:44:40 laugh* Jan 04 15:46:11 zaheerm, around still? Jan 04 15:46:22 yep Jan 04 15:46:37 zaheerm, compilation gets killed here Jan 04 15:46:44 killed? Jan 04 15:46:49 yep, killed Jan 04 15:46:54 I'll paste it somewhere Jan 04 15:46:58 ok Jan 04 15:47:33 zaheerm, http://paste-it.net/public/e65e567/ Jan 04 15:47:54 bundyo kicks butt Jan 04 15:48:04 to be clear, I just rebooted to see if this was an issue on my end Jan 04 15:48:06 ok don't run the tests :) Jan 04 15:48:13 pupnik, what did he do? Jan 04 15:48:22 zaheerm, let me see if I can disable them Jan 04 15:48:29 got a lot of broken things built Jan 04 15:48:34 with configure you can Jan 04 15:48:36 to build gemRB Jan 04 15:49:11 or he remembered how we did it last year ;) Jan 04 15:49:59 if any of you are not happy with scratchbox, this new development enviroment could use some testers http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE Jan 04 15:50:18 zaheerm, --disable-tests ? Jan 04 15:50:24 I can't see an option like that Jan 04 15:55:12 do dealers offer cases for the n900 already? Jan 04 15:55:51 yeps Jan 04 15:55:56 Sir_Lancelot: URL? Jan 04 15:56:00 I already have an original Nokia puch Jan 04 15:56:26 DocScrutinizer: how does AGPS work on openmoko? Jan 04 15:56:31 I bought mine on a portuguese online sotre Jan 04 15:56:38 but I bet you can find it on expeansys Jan 04 15:56:42 *expansys Jan 04 15:57:10 I'm eager to see what Sygic made for N900 Jan 04 15:57:22 or are there other turn-by-turn navigation SW Jan 04 15:57:26 <|R> Sygic will be interesting but for the price and features i don't know Jan 04 15:57:26 compatible with N900? Jan 04 15:57:42 I had once nokia maps on my N95 Jan 04 15:57:48 Sir_Lancelot navit Jan 04 15:57:48 but it lagged sooooooo dman much Jan 04 15:57:58 but have to port some stuff Jan 04 15:58:01 Sir_Lancelot: this one? http://www.expansys.de/d.aspx?i=189312 Jan 04 15:58:14 xorAxAx: we have a reduced form of "A" Jan 04 15:58:35 DocScrutinizer51: more specifically, how does it interact with GSM? Jan 04 15:58:36 exactly xorAxAx ;) Jan 04 15:58:52 Sir_Lancelot: do you know of any other cases? Jan 04 15:58:57 nop Jan 04 15:59:02 I love this one Jan 04 15:59:23 xorAxAx: not at all afaik Jan 04 15:59:24 but if you're not into it...there's always the One-fits-All kind of cases Jan 04 15:59:33 bbl Jan 04 16:01:20 zaheerm, DEB_MAKE_CHECK_TARGET = check || true is commented out by default, but libtool won't work without this Jan 04 16:01:30 zaheerm, and I've no idea how to disable tests Jan 04 16:01:43 zaheerm, can you take a look at the source? Jan 04 16:02:21 give me a sec Jan 04 16:02:38 xorAxAx: on the FR, the GPS is entirely seperate from the phone Jan 04 16:02:55 xorAxAx: for AGPS, it fetches a file from the internets, and pushes it to the GPS. Jan 04 16:03:07 ok Jan 04 16:03:25 Sir_Lancelot: how would you like this one? http://www.fommy.co.uk/view-full-page.asp?divid=Nokia&model=Nokia+N900&cat=Cases&skuno=85902 Jan 04 16:04:20 SpeedEvil: I'm not eben sure we get any file from internet at all Jan 04 16:04:34 by default Jan 04 16:04:36 DocScrutinizer: Oh - K. Never really looked at FR GPS much Jan 04 16:04:41 Thought it did. Jan 04 16:05:45 it has an POV implementation for that afaik. Not default though. Still with good signal we get a fix withinn 10sec now Jan 04 16:06:05 and we store alm/ephem received from sat Jan 04 16:06:40 zaheerm, hold on, I think I have a result Jan 04 16:06:55 /join #openmoko-cdevel. ping alphaone or mickeyl Jan 04 16:07:18 xorAxAx it's looks good, however I wonder how it slides... On the other hand, rubber cases are always a pain when you want to take the phone out of your pocket Jan 04 16:07:28 :D Jan 04 16:07:34 I think alphaone or shoragan did the gps implementation Jan 04 16:07:40 Sir_Lancelot: indeed Jan 04 16:08:07 zaheerm, cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmusepack.so': No such file or directory Jan 04 16:08:12 even though it's there Jan 04 16:09:13 so another 5 min and I'm offline again as I'm moving tod*y Jan 04 16:26:18 SpeedEvil: see, I don't know of any AGPS server sported by OM. The ublox server needs an account and they will most likely terminate that account if we made this one the default for all FSO based devices Jan 04 16:26:44 ah Jan 04 16:29:29 Some people were using supl.google.com or something with n900, heh :) Jan 04 16:30:51 zaheerm, success Jan 04 16:30:52 :) Jan 04 16:30:55 is supl.nokia.com filter by user-agent? Jan 04 16:33:12 I use the google one Jan 04 16:33:21 and it's 10000000000000000000000000000000x faster Jan 04 16:33:22 ;) Jan 04 16:49:27 tracker segfaults, geez Jan 04 16:51:19 sweet sweet Musepack goodness filling my ears straight from the N900 Jan 04 16:53:42 hello Jan 04 17:16:48 X-Fade, I submitted couchdb for building yesterday, and I just wanted to check if the build is proceeding, or if it locked up the build slave Jan 04 17:17:37 ShadowJK: Sir_Lancelot: so supl.x.y is kinda standardiced format for gps assistance data? Jan 04 17:18:00 homeasvs couchdb went through Jan 04 17:18:22 DocScrutinizer51: yeah Jan 04 17:18:31 DocScrutinizer51: http://www.openmobilealliance.org/Technical/release_program/supl_v2_0.aspx Jan 04 17:18:35 woglinde: who did AGPS for FSO? Jan 04 17:18:44 doc ask mickeyl Jan 04 17:18:54 homeasvs -> http://maemo.org/packages/view/couchdb/ Jan 04 17:18:54 k :-) Jan 04 17:19:01 ups failed Jan 04 17:19:02 hm Jan 04 17:19:04 my memory Jan 04 17:19:37 woglinde, no, it's building, look at the last line Jan 04 17:19:51 ah now Jan 04 17:19:55 TomaszD, cool what was it? Jan 04 17:20:02 no was yesterday Jan 04 17:20:05 today is 4th Jan 04 17:20:07 not 3rd Jan 04 17:20:21 zaheerm, I've tracked the issue of tracker segfaulting down Jan 04 17:20:26 woglinde, yes, I submitted it yesterday and it has been building since then Jan 04 17:20:38 homeasvs hm Jan 04 17:20:43 woglinde, (after 3 failed attempts for other reasons) Jan 04 17:20:47 let see https://garage.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/extras-cauldron-builds Jan 04 17:20:59 woglinde, this isn't surprising, the erlang build took 6 days to complete on the extras builder IIRC Jan 04 17:21:07 I just want someone with admin powers to make sure that the build is not stuck Jan 04 17:21:53 hm yes Jan 04 17:21:55 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/couchdb_0.10.0-0maemo1/summary.log Jan 04 17:24:31 DocScrutinizer51 but alphaone, stefan and shoragan were involved Jan 04 17:24:58 woglinde: I assumed as much Jan 04 17:25:31 DocScrutinizer51 why you asked? Jan 04 17:25:34 *g* Jan 04 17:25:43 because of the shitty n900 solution? Jan 04 17:25:59 there was AGPS topic in this chan a few minutes ago Jan 04 17:26:15 hm yes but its diffrent from n900 Jan 04 17:26:18 someone asked me about .OM GPS Jan 04 17:26:26 I learned it yesterday I think Jan 04 17:26:54 ~lart sourceforge Jan 04 17:26:55 * infobot takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking sourceforge's head off Jan 04 17:27:30 170735 I think alphaone or shoragan did the gps implementation Jan 04 17:28:26 * ShadowJK wonders if anyone at all bothered yet to test and reply to qgil's working gps without internet access method Jan 04 17:28:49 ShadowJK: pointer? Jan 04 17:28:55 ShadowJK ah hm right Jan 04 17:28:58 I should try it Jan 04 17:29:01 doc was some bug Jan 04 17:29:26 ohh' a comment to that notorious bug? Jan 04 17:29:32 it was crossposted to bmo, tmo and #maemo, at least... Jan 04 17:30:01 Which bug? Jan 04 17:30:17 hmm, I'm not on any of those fulltime Jan 04 17:30:27 No one is. No one sane, anyway. Jan 04 17:30:34 hi Jan 04 17:30:49 is it not possible to set the shell of the user to bash? Jan 04 17:31:03 pbeck install bash Jan 04 17:31:05 edit passwd Jan 04 17:31:18 heard it might break things Jan 04 17:31:19 woglinde: i changed it with chsh -s bash user Jan 04 17:31:38 woglinde: i have do that three times und in every case it wont boot after that Jan 04 17:31:38 dont know get root and change it Jan 04 17:31:44 *done Jan 04 17:31:53 damn Jan 04 17:31:54 *and Jan 04 17:32:01 router failure again Jan 04 17:32:02 i have to reflash that Jan 04 17:32:12 bye until few seconds Jan 04 17:32:14 know anybody this problem? Jan 04 17:33:30 re Jan 04 17:33:53 woglinde: have you changed it? Jan 04 17:34:17 hi. anyone can help me to instal irssi on nokia n900? Jan 04 17:34:41 i search for a person who have done that ;) Jan 04 17:34:57 m-work: activate extras-devel (or testing) and install it via the packetmanager :) Jan 04 17:35:06 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=436482&postcount=78 Jan 04 17:35:08 i activated the extra Jan 04 17:35:12 but i dont have it on the lis Jan 04 17:35:13 t Jan 04 17:35:25 when i tried to install it with apg get Jan 04 17:35:29 it gave me an error Jan 04 17:35:49 unable to lock administration directory Jan 04 17:36:44 m-work: extras is the stable branch - but it's only in devel Jan 04 17:36:55 PBeck no I am fine with busybox ash Jan 04 17:37:18 m-work: the error comes up when you have started the packetmanager gui and apt-get to the same time Jan 04 17:37:31 so then i add a new catalog? Jan 04 17:37:35 wich one is the devel? Jan 04 17:37:37 * DocScrutinizer51 is hardly suppressing a pavlov reflex Jan 04 17:37:45 m-work: activate extras-devel, apt-get install irssi, deactivate extras-devel Jan 04 17:38:11 m-work: one moment Jan 04 17:38:48 irssi is in extras-testing Jan 04 17:38:51 not devel ;D Jan 04 17:39:04 http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel <= m-work Jan 04 17:39:18 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/i/ <= matthew- Jan 04 17:39:46 huh it's in both Jan 04 17:39:58 I can't wai tto get ssh tunnel irssi_proxy to work :) on my n900 which of course isn't arraving Jan 04 17:40:02 Imean Jan 04 17:40:09 they dont sell n900's here Jan 04 17:40:16 they do sell em but they dont deliver Jan 04 17:40:20 reason: Nokia is gay Jan 04 17:40:27 lol Jan 04 17:40:41 m-work: ok testing is enough Jan 04 17:40:45 n900 got out of stock in like 5 days in my country:) Jan 04 17:41:13 which is a good thing basically Jan 04 17:41:26 http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing <= m-work in extras-devel you can get irssi-dev too but thats not necessary Jan 04 17:41:40 as it means meamo will live Jan 04 17:44:31 bye Jan 04 17:44:31 DocScrutinizer51: :P Jan 04 17:44:40 jojo Jan 04 17:47:46 whats the default sudo password? Jan 04 17:48:05 none Jan 04 17:48:18 nono Jan 04 17:48:20 none Jan 04 17:48:33 but i won't advise extras-devel Jan 04 17:48:35 install rootsh Jan 04 17:48:44 do 'root' Jan 04 17:48:52 or 'sudo gainroot' Jan 04 17:49:07 hello there.. anyone with some hildon/gtk experience; which widget is that used on "sharing accounts" (on the phone settings)? Or at least where is that shit source.. Jan 04 17:49:14 -root Jan 04 17:49:24 ~root Jan 04 17:49:25 rumour has it, root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. Jan 04 17:49:35 yay Jan 04 17:50:12 args, by writing gps-vehicle for navit with liblocation Jan 04 17:50:20 its now clear what the gps can doo Jan 04 17:50:25 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Using_Location_API Jan 04 17:56:03 ob Jan 04 18:00:53 woglinde: nice page Jan 04 18:01:53 ShadowJK jupp I discoverd since some times Jan 04 18:01:58 but didnt read carfully Jan 04 18:02:06 but now I started the work for navit Jan 04 18:02:13 and read it Jan 04 18:02:21 is there an universal IR remote app for Maemo already? Jan 04 18:02:30 qtirreco Jan 04 18:02:47 thanks! Jan 04 18:02:48 irreco as well but i found its ui to be almost unusable Jan 04 18:03:00 qt version is slower but more usable Jan 04 18:03:16 should it be able to control the ps3, it'd be perfect Jan 04 18:03:32 arkenoi, how is qt-version better? Jan 04 18:04:41 flux: i tried original irreco and found it to be very.. hmm.. strange. and it does not auto start lirc server Jan 04 18:05:11 <[Tycho]> Hello, Arkenoi. Jan 04 18:05:15 ShadowJK intressting would be if you easly swtich btw. AGNSS and GNSS Jan 04 18:06:53 seems like you can just ask for GNSS instead of AGNSS? Jan 04 18:07:10 hi Jan 04 18:08:11 but as the doc mentions, GNSS is essentially same as agnss for some unkno amount of time since last agnss use Jan 04 18:09:37 hi Jan 04 18:12:30 good morning all.. I'm trying to figure out how to use scratchbox2, epecially dynamic the filesystem mapping capabilities, but I'm not seeing much documentation. if anyone has a pointer at where to start, I'd appreciate it. Jan 04 18:16:37 what exactly do you need to do? Jan 04 18:16:43 destinal: have you checked the lua pathmaps? Jan 04 18:17:10 destinal: also, there's #scratchbox Jan 04 18:17:48 hi Jan 04 18:17:57 RST38h: I'm trying to crosscompile software that builds through autoconf and I basically just want to override /usr/include, /usr/lib and some other paths with my own while in sb2 so that it can find the right libraries and headers Jan 04 18:18:28 can i recieve and send files over IR on n900? petrovich doesnt seem to do that Jan 04 18:19:02 no Jan 04 18:19:05 luciusmare, you cannot, N900 doesn't have an IR port suitable for that Jan 04 18:19:08 LuciusMare, I've been told (here) that the N900 doesn't have IrDA, only CIR Jan 04 18:19:29 destinal: have you considered doing this without changing sb2 setup? Jan 04 18:19:41 uh,huh Jan 04 18:19:50 after all, autoconf allows you to change these directories via options to configure script Jan 04 18:20:12 i thought they're all same... >:( Jan 04 18:20:44 destinal: check for example lua_scripts/pathmaps/simple/00_default.lua Jan 04 18:21:10 felipec: sounds good .. I'll take a look at that Jan 04 18:22:22 RST38h: you have a good point regard the configure script options, I may try it both ways, but since scratchbox is designed to be so transparent I thought it would be cool to try making everything look natively there Jan 04 18:22:26 PBeck : thanks for the help. i managed to install irssi. Jan 04 18:22:26 thanks Jan 04 18:22:28 ie in standard paths etc Jan 04 18:23:39 destinal: instead of modifying the current pathmaps it's easier to just copy one, for example I have my own in lua_scripts/pathmaps/felipec Jan 04 18:23:44 destinal: just because it is designed transparent, you are not supposed to change its low level setup =) Jan 04 18:24:01 the "official" way is to play with configure options Jan 04 18:24:02 m-work: nice to hear that :) Jan 04 18:24:19 m-work: i use irssi on my n900 too :) Jan 04 18:24:25 RST38h: sbox2 has no "official" way of using it Jan 04 18:24:42 mmm...I guess you have a point :) Jan 04 18:24:47 although it is good to know what ways are most commonly used Jan 04 18:24:59 RST38h: the way maemo uses it is just one instance (which is particularily hacky in fact) Jan 04 18:25:01 seriously what is wrong with that one guy ? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39254 Jan 04 18:25:19 Arkenoi: can qtirreco learn from remotes? Jan 04 18:25:50 RST38h: but sbox2 is meant to be extensible to do any kind of funky stuff.. I could do for example 'sb2 -t debian-etch make' from my Fedora system Jan 04 18:25:56 i seem to be able to program only existing remote's functionalities in new buttons Jan 04 18:26:39 anyway, time to go home... laters Jan 04 18:26:40 felipec: I'm starting to make use of sbox2 to build libsdl based games for the webos operating system on the Palm Pre (over in #webos-internals) in a way our devices are very close cousins. Jan 04 18:26:55 ah Jan 04 18:27:03 that is getting more interesting Jan 04 18:27:15 in this case you may indeed go under the hood =) Jan 04 18:27:44 destinal: cool! Jan 04 18:27:48 cehteh: ping Jan 04 18:28:24 curious, foreca applet on n810 is location-aware, but not on n900 Jan 04 18:28:55 ShadowJK: real people use omweather anyway Jan 04 18:29:57 omweather doesn't have a supercomputer churning 1sqm resolution weather model of my country Jan 04 18:30:10 Shadow: And Foreca does? Jan 04 18:30:31 ya Jan 04 18:30:32 RST38h: sbox2 has really simplified things for me, reduced the amount of manual modifications to the autoconf stuff to use the cs toolchain etc, but I guess I was daydreaming about being able to download source code and run ./configure && make instead of pointing at alternate header directories, library directories, etc, especially when they'll be the same ones every time Jan 04 18:30:47 ShadowJK: And weather.com (used by omweather) does not? Jan 04 18:30:49 well they probably use it for rendering 3d porn, *shrug* Jan 04 18:30:49 HMMM, if i've got a blackberry pin, could I somehow use blackberry messanger on e900 ? Jan 04 18:30:53 or port it ? Jan 04 18:30:59 no Jan 04 18:31:03 and it is n900 Jan 04 18:31:22 yeah, n900 Jan 04 18:31:49 destinal: If you are compiling for a non-Maemo device, you will probably have to reconfigure sb2 a little bit, once Jan 04 18:32:12 destinal: but after that, I do not see why you would have to do extra stuff on each package Jan 04 18:33:16 RST38h: but for maemo, just ./configure && make on the host system is a common practice, then? Jan 04 18:33:20 in sb2? Jan 04 18:33:26 yea Jan 04 18:33:30 cool Jan 04 18:35:15 evening all Jan 04 18:36:05 ehlo lardman, how are things? Jan 04 18:36:50 rst38h: The foreca web inteerface recognizes 3 places nearby me, at 30, 25 and 25km distance. However, since I'm fairly near the sea (50km), and those places are more inland, closer to sea, and one is not in the flat region I'm in, but in hillier are, neither match the weather nicely. As for weather.com, closest place I could find was about 40km away Jan 04 18:37:11 ShadowJK: tried yr.no? Jan 04 18:37:37 ShadowJK: So, no doughnut either way, foreca or omweather? Jan 04 18:37:40 I've found that for me the formats are very good. Jan 04 18:37:44 forcasts Jan 04 18:37:51 * RST38h thinks ShadowJK has to move =) Jan 04 18:38:04 I am sort of hacking up a wget/awk/gnuplot weather thingy. Jan 04 18:38:08 Which is very, very silly. Jan 04 18:38:11 oh Jan 04 18:38:24 RST38h: ah but the foreca applet on n810 seems to get different data than on web :-) Jan 04 18:38:40 hi RST38h, still busy, you? Jan 04 18:38:53 but I still haven't checked all possibilities, whether it just picked the closest of offered places Jan 04 18:39:26 lardman: trying hard to avoid work, watching 2005 season of DrWho =) Jan 04 18:39:39 And bugger - now forecast snow that was going to miss me is going to hit. Jan 04 18:39:49 RST38h: :) Jan 04 18:39:58 ~10mm over the next 2 days. Jan 04 18:40:04 Got a (horror) paper book to read, too Jan 04 18:40:17 (10kg/m^3 of snow - not 10mm) Jan 04 18:40:20 m^2 Jan 04 18:40:28 actually feels better than an ebook, more comfortable! Jan 04 18:40:31 RST38h: have you heard of fbreader? Jan 04 18:40:35 RST38h: it's quite good. Jan 04 18:40:35 http://n900.aguilarj.com/?p=256&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Jan 04 18:40:41 SpeedEvil: Me? Of course not. Jan 04 18:40:46 * RST38h has not heard of fbreader Jan 04 18:40:50 seeems like it's possible to change the menu layout on N900 Jan 04 18:40:52 bloody cold here for England Jan 04 18:41:00 RST38h: though I'd quite like tap-to-turn. (based on accelerometer) Jan 04 18:41:03 lardman: how bloody? Jan 04 18:41:16 was -6C this at 111 this morning Jan 04 18:41:23 s/111/11 Jan 04 18:41:29 -3Cish now. Jan 04 18:41:32 lardman: I just took a 2.5hr walk through the city at -20oC Jan 04 18:41:51 well I did say England ;) Jan 04 18:41:53 http://translate.google.pt/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fn900.aguilarj.com%2F%3Fp%3D256%26utm_source%3Dtwitterfeed%26utm_medium%3Dtwitter&sl=pt&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8 Jan 04 18:41:56 Ah =) Jan 04 18:42:01 -20C though, nasty Jan 04 18:42:07 'cause -6C isn't very cold Jan 04 18:42:22 lardman: actually, feels nice, dry, no wind, snow everywhere Jan 04 18:42:24 feels bloody cold to me! :) Jan 04 18:42:27 It's not. Jan 04 18:42:41 lardman: actually wind+humidity make -6C worse Jan 04 18:42:47 lardman: there is a very, very easy way of getting aclimated to it, and having it feeling much warmer out. Jan 04 18:42:52 lardman: Turn heating off. Jan 04 18:43:06 Also saves lots of money! Jan 04 18:43:08 SpeedEvil: I'll soon drop to ambient then as my wife will kill me Jan 04 18:43:21 Think of the savings on food then! Jan 04 18:43:43 lol Jan 04 18:43:45 effective budget management! Jan 04 18:43:46 RST38h: can fbreader do URLs? Jan 04 18:43:52 rst38h: I checked the 5 closest places that foreca's webinterface can find, and none of them matched the data it gave me for my gps location. I guess it's running some sort of model for entire country, with a resolution better than 20 sqkm Jan 04 18:43:53 SpeedEvil: No. Jan 04 18:43:58 k Jan 04 18:44:06 ShadowJK: where are you? Jan 04 18:44:21 ShadowJK: weather models are way weirder than that Jan 04 18:44:23 .fi Jan 04 18:44:34 Damn, the guy uses Bloomberg Anywhere on his n900. Jan 04 18:44:35 ShadowJK: where are you? Jan 04 18:44:38 ShadowJK: And given your closeness to the sea, they may just lie, period Jan 04 18:44:38 ShadowJK: look at yr.no Jan 04 18:44:39 But he didnt reply for a week Jan 04 18:44:46 to say how did he do it. Jan 04 18:44:50 I've found it very accurate. Jan 04 18:45:13 SpeedEvil: not so great for me Jan 04 18:45:16 k Jan 04 18:45:27 http://xcweather.co.uk/ is good, and has an iPhone web page too ;) Jan 04 18:45:28 YWMV. Jan 04 18:45:43 What we need is weather@home Jan 04 18:45:50 :) Jan 04 18:46:17 Anyone know how the iPhone gesture layer is used from Javascript? Jan 04 18:46:18 I'm about 25km from a "town" with population 4000, which foreca does know of :P Jan 04 18:46:31 ShadowJK: yeah, but where? Jan 04 18:47:16 anyone bought any screen/case protectors for N900? Jan 04 18:47:49 40ish km inland from Kokkola, Finland Jan 04 18:47:52 red: yes Jan 04 18:48:31 red: I got http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190353399122&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT Jan 04 18:49:11 ShadowJK: kruunupyy not have a weather station? Jan 04 18:49:34 red: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Accessories Jan 04 18:50:00 Nobody other than me seems to ahve reviewed one Jan 04 18:50:01 yes. it's about halfway between me and kokkola :) Jan 04 18:50:18 so not good enough? Jan 04 18:51:23 wow, is cold where you are anyway, ~0F Jan 04 18:53:10 lardman: we'll see, foreca-efkk seems to forecast -15..-16 tomorrow, foreca-gps says -20 :) Jan 04 18:53:30 -20C ShadowJK ? Jan 04 18:53:32 foreca never worked well for me Jan 04 18:53:52 hmm Jan 04 18:53:54 xisdibik: yeah Jan 04 18:54:07 though supposedly snow tomorrow afternoon, cool Jan 04 18:54:13 ShadowJK: thats a we bit chilly :). its about 14C here ;) Jan 04 18:54:24 hehe Jan 04 18:55:01 oh wow, I clicked on the applet, and it opened web browser with: Jan 04 18:55:10 Ill be in Japan in 2 days though, and its supposed to be about 6-9C Jan 04 18:55:30 ~curse Google for immense crapness Jan 04 18:55:32 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Google for immense crapness ! Jan 04 18:55:53 lol lardman Jan 04 18:56:12 ...foreca.com/?lon=xx.xxxx&lat=xx.xxx&name=foo type url Jan 04 18:56:29 While "airfields near Kokkola, finland" gives me, airfields; "airfields near Bath, UK" gives me bloody taxi firms Jan 04 18:56:42 any1 heading for CES on wednesday from UK ? Jan 04 18:57:10 lardman: lol Jan 04 18:57:38 hey, do those taxi firms show up on http://aprs.fi too? Jan 04 18:57:59 craptastic Jan 04 18:58:05 bloody taxi firms Jan 04 18:58:08 and bloody google Jan 04 18:59:15 hmm, your neighbourhood Finnish airport had meteo data, but mine don't Jan 04 18:59:21 hm, I checked the option "Update automatically" in the clock settings, yet my clock is completely wrong Jan 04 18:59:53 or rather, if I set a wrong time and enable the automatic update afterwards, the time does not get adjusted Jan 04 19:01:16 that yr.no thing is cool too, it has maps Jan 04 19:02:22 ShadowJK: and xml Jan 04 19:02:52 Also gribs - but most people won't care. Jan 04 19:06:31 does it make sense to get a screen protector? Jan 04 19:06:45 yes Jan 04 19:06:53 phone case? Jan 04 19:07:05 I have a zagg invisibleshield and its great Jan 04 19:07:38 it seems to be nicely resistant to dirt from pocket and fingerprints... contrary to the n900 we have at work Jan 04 19:07:49 which doesnt have a protective screen Jan 04 19:08:51 dnaumov: a complete body kit? Jan 04 19:09:13 hello, I just finished my first porting to maemo, but I think the app must be fixed to work on maemo (some parts of the GUI are not shown) Jan 04 19:09:17 does full body coverage mean "also covers the back"? Jan 04 19:09:20 PBeck: no, just for the front screen Jan 04 19:09:41 dnaumov: ah ok - knows anybody exim? Jan 04 19:09:48 http://people.debian.org/~evo/upload/maemo if someone wants to try it Jan 04 19:09:51 evo: so in other words, you havent finished your first porting Jan 04 19:09:51 dnaumov: fit it exactly? Jan 04 19:09:52 ;) Jan 04 19:09:56 PBeck: yes Jan 04 19:10:13 okay, lifetime guarantee Jan 04 19:10:15 that's good Jan 04 19:10:23 dnaumov: you're right, I was hoping to receive some suggestions about it, I'm not a QT expert Jan 04 19:10:24 dnaumov: How do you apply this thing without leaving bubbles? Jan 04 19:11:06 RST38h: it comes with a liquid you apply to both sides of the protective screen with a sponge that also comes with it Jan 04 19:11:36 dnaumov: interesting! Jan 04 19:11:37 RST38h: you then apply the screen and use a credit card to get rid of bubbles Jan 04 19:11:50 * RST38h is getting his in a few days Jan 04 19:11:55 RST38h: some microbubbles remain, but they dissapear in about a day Jan 04 19:12:05 It is a DDP device though, reeeeally scared that the LCD will have dead pixels Jan 04 19:12:24 RST38h: after having a complete disaster with a protective screen for my fiance's PSP, I was pleasantly surprised with this one Jan 04 19:13:18 mm hong kong? Jan 04 19:13:22 dnaumov: Well, my experience with the n810 protective film also wasn't stellar Jan 04 19:13:25 i wonder where else to buy it Jan 04 19:13:37 ebay! Jan 04 19:13:45 yea, hong kong :) Jan 04 19:13:53 evo: well, the screenshot doesnt do much explaining of what this app actually IS :) Jan 04 19:14:40 dnaumov: it's a railway live traffic monitor tool, you choose the train number (like 2563) and it tells you where that train is Jan 04 19:14:45 hum i think in the forum are more users then on the mailinglist? Jan 04 19:14:52 dnaumov: says "transit stops" Jan 04 19:15:09 * RST38h guessed right Jan 04 19:15:19 RST38h: the protective screen for the PSP I had was horrible, I ended up getting rid of it after 3 days, because it just made the thing barely useful, huge bubbles everywhere Jan 04 19:16:02 well in the case of n810, the film was ok, but the n810 screen design is...mghm.. Jan 04 19:16:40 i have an invisible shield for my n900 and it's pretty great Jan 04 19:16:47 yep Jan 04 19:16:56 morning Jan 04 19:17:10 swipe requires a bit more touch, and the glare is a bit different (not more - just different). Jan 04 19:17:35 I just got some small speck under the shield, so i think i need to reattach the shield someday Jan 04 19:17:43 which Bugzilla category would I file a bug about titlebar rendering? Jan 04 19:18:38 * RST38h moos at wazd Jan 04 19:20:25 another vote for the zagg, it's pretty awesome shield, very resitant to crap and scratch and sticks well, requires a little more pressure for swipe, but worth it for what it does Jan 04 19:22:15 i also find that the shield gets dirtier than the screen itself, but that's pretty much a non-issue, since you can rub the shield pretty harshly Jan 04 19:22:37 I can't believe how good Nokia is at crippling virtual input. Jan 04 19:22:50 oh? Jan 04 19:23:26 heheh Jan 04 19:23:28 hrm.. decoders-support 0.2 just wrecked the media stuff... tracker seems to be nonresponsive Jan 04 19:25:52 And I still cant play any x264's on my n900.... Jan 04 19:25:56 'not supported format' Jan 04 19:28:00 Mozillion: is that why my built-in media play no longer sees ANY of my .oggs nor ANY of the videos (even the demos that came with my n900) after I just updated the decoders ? Jan 04 19:28:22 my filemanager halts when I open a dir with media files Jan 04 19:28:47 Mozillion: sorry for OT .. you were on #debian-devel many years ago? Jan 04 19:28:53 hmmm lemme check that too Jan 04 19:29:02 evo: hey... I remember you too.. I am still Jan 04 19:29:31 Mozillion: it's my fault then, I go there not often like I used to do :) Jan 04 19:29:46 my IRC proxy does it Jan 04 19:30:03 mtnbkr: I'm trying to go to 0.3 (0.2 is the one that just entered extras-testing) Jan 04 19:30:19 somehow the maemo.org packages page notes 0.2 as being cancelled for promotion Jan 04 19:32:14 hrm this "update automatically" clock setting does not seem to do anything Jan 04 19:32:52 papo: indeed, I noticed this too Jan 04 19:32:56 Mozillion: FYI... after a shutdown and then startup, Media Player now sees (and can play) my .oggs Jan 04 19:32:57 maybe I should just install openntpd Jan 04 19:33:04 mtnbkr: ah ok Jan 04 19:33:15 hrm Jan 04 19:33:25 today I had my first business day with my N900 Jan 04 19:33:29 mtnbkr: already suspected something like this... but still, an update should block track or whatever Jan 04 19:33:42 I have to admit that I like the device but there's really quite some bugs :( Jan 04 19:35:00 my god.. repository.maemo.org is very slow too Jan 04 19:35:44 papo: I have had mine since nov 30th and love it, but there are some things I would also LOVE to see addressed. Jan 04 19:35:54 same here Jan 04 19:35:57 and same date ) Jan 04 19:35:58 :)* Jan 04 19:36:18 Mozillion: *.maemo.org has been slower than molasses in January since I first checked it out back in Nov Jan 04 19:36:29 yeah Jan 04 19:37:21 Mozillion: haha funny thing... for me to find out just now I had to ls -la on a photo that my web cam shot when it arrived... hehe I sent that photo to a bunch of friends who all knew I was waiting on my N900 - "FedEx-is-here.jpg" Jan 04 19:38:11 mtnbkr: Hm yes, I'm putting some hope on the firmware, I hope I won't get disappointed :-/ Jan 04 19:38:21 can't believe I have had this for a month already. wow Jan 04 19:38:47 papo: I have had mine since nov 30th and love it, but there are some things I would also LOVE to see addressed. Jan 04 19:39:03 20:27:14 -!- Irssi: New peak in #maemo@freenode : 514 Jan 04 19:39:10 papo: I could be wrong, but I have this link that supposedly shows the FIXES for the upcming firmware update: https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&classification=Maemo+Official+Applications&classification=Maemo+Official+Platform&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywo Jan 04 19:39:10 rds=&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=CLOSED&resolution=FIXED&rep_platform=N900&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=2009-11-01&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0= Jan 04 19:39:24 zomg url Jan 04 19:39:25 damn sorry... Jan 04 19:39:28 that was not a good idea Jan 04 19:39:30 mamma mia what a link Jan 04 19:39:35 tinyurl.com? Jan 04 19:39:40 or whatever service Jan 04 19:39:50 yeah really. I just cut and pasted... didn;t realize it was that big... one sec... Jan 04 19:40:11 mtnbkr: Hm yes, I just closed the bug report about the automatic clock thing, don't think it was flagged resolved Jan 04 19:40:26 I'm not sure what the fuss is with the firmware upgrade: having read the bugfix list, I'm not expecting it to make much difference to me Jan 04 19:40:41 RevdKathy: I agree Jan 04 19:40:57 mtnbkr: #5810 Jan 04 19:41:02 The one moderately annoying bug for me looks likely not to make it in Jan 04 19:41:08 If this were symbian and I had to send the device back to the nokia centre to upgrade, I wouldn't bother Jan 04 19:41:12 awwwww.. it almost played an .m4v Jan 04 19:41:19 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6584 Jan 04 19:41:21 Bug 6584: GPS geotagged pictures truncate precision of GPS reading (0 decimal places) Jan 04 19:41:22 Mozillion: hmmm seems you need to be "logged in" to bugs.maemo.org so the tinyurl link I just created and tested didn't work... I get permission denied. :( Jan 04 19:41:44 sorry Jan 04 19:41:45 RevdKathy: They reportedly fixed exchange sync, that's going to be a plus for me Jan 04 19:42:13 I wonder when the Nokia PC Suite will #1: support LINUX and #2 support the N900 properly. Jan 04 19:42:24 I don't - I use my revdkathy mail in modest. And the diary I WANT to synch to is groupwise, so no chance of that Jan 04 19:42:41 MfE won't affect me Jan 04 19:43:11 I'm more interested in the ovi store -and not VERY interested in that Jan 04 19:43:32 I;m glad it will fix bugs for other people - that's great. But it won't affect me Jan 04 19:43:42 hm yes Jan 04 19:43:45 dnaumov: have you experience with different screen protectors? Jan 04 19:44:19 More interested in when certain things will get to extras or testing :) Jan 04 19:44:27 PBeck: a few, but mostly noname ones I couldnt specify Jan 04 19:44:34 tweakr, shepherd - they will affect me Jan 04 19:44:50 ringtone per contact would be nice, ability to have different notification tones for differnt types of incoming (SMS, IM, email) and perhaps even different tone for SMS/IM/mail from specific people. but I KNOW that is not on the "FIXED" list Jan 04 19:45:16 RevdKathy: Other problems I notices are skype contacts which are online on my notebook have the status offline, troubles with the GPS, and today I noticed that cover.jpg does not work properly either Jan 04 19:45:23 oh and the headphones are just gross Jan 04 19:45:49 anyone else experience that subfolders of INBOX on an imap server don't show up in the mail app on N900/maemo5? Jan 04 19:46:08 I never use GPS - another bit I don't use. I have very little skype - but would love shepherd to enable it autimatically on wifi Jan 04 19:46:28 oh yes I read about shepherd Jan 04 19:46:28 papo: heh at least they stay in my ears when I move (unlike the stupid iPhone earphones) Jan 04 19:47:03 dnaumov: have you read about exim? Jan 04 19:47:06 RevdKathy: last time I checked there was no public (pre-)release yet... shepherd is something I'm really looking forward to Jan 04 19:48:17 mtnbkr: Hm well I can just replace the headphones so no problems there Jan 04 19:49:03 no, it's still in devel, I think. I'm more excited about that and a few other community porjects than the firmware Jan 04 19:49:29 @papo I don't think Nokia are going to be the people who make this awesome gor me Jan 04 19:49:50 RevdKathy: gor? Jan 04 19:49:53 * SpeedEvil abducts RevdKathy and places her on a counter-earth. Jan 04 19:50:16 * SpeedEvil hopes RevdKathy can put up with really long monologues. Jan 04 19:50:26 Sppedevil - i couldn't be more scary than the strange environments in my head! Jan 04 19:50:41 time to install my dev enviroment on the gfs computer Jan 04 19:50:49 Damn - I shouldn't do two things at once - mytyping goes to hell Jan 04 19:50:49 thank god i got her a proper keyboard for christmas! Jan 04 19:51:09 How goes the MMS, frals? Jan 04 19:51:43 excellent, its fully working for me.. except minor details like delivery reports, but who needs them anyway? ;-) Jan 04 19:51:56 * RevdKathy can recite very long monologues Jan 04 19:52:05 and another guy on talk managed to receive MMS just fine with my app, so I guess it works :D Jan 04 19:52:51 ive had some downloads of my package but none commented anything yet thou Jan 04 19:53:03 should probably create a thread asking for feedback at some point Jan 04 19:53:05 frals, you're a sick, sick man. Jan 04 19:53:08 frals - how dependent is it on carrier? Will it work cross-platform, cross-nation? And if it's not using WAP. what do the carriers think is happening? Jan 04 19:53:28 I found myself wondering if it comes out of the dataplan, frals. Jan 04 19:53:58 My plan has free sms, loads of free minutes and 500mb of data - but I pay for every single MMS Jan 04 19:54:08 RevdKathy: it should be counted as MMS as its submitted just like an MMS message Jan 04 19:54:16 what does the bill think I'm doing? MMS? Jan 04 19:55:13 * Arkenoi bets i have most shitty plan of us all: no sms, no mms, no data and no minutes included. and i pay for incoming calls. Jan 04 19:55:34 it should work crossnation as the guy who got receiving to work is from .pl and im in .se :) Jan 04 19:55:36 Arkenoi: the real question is WHY Jan 04 19:56:01 just need to make the configuration easier so more people can get it working as MMS usually "just works" on other phones Jan 04 19:56:14 rst38h: it is called "in-network roaming", you know. russian chimaera. Jan 04 19:56:28 * RevdKathy kisses frals Jan 04 19:56:37 * RevdKathy loves things that "just work" Jan 04 19:57:29 Arkenoi: The real question is still WHY Jan 04 19:57:54 GAN900: and I take great pride in the fact I am ;-) Jan 04 19:58:05 Arkenoi: $5 buy you a fresh MTS number Jan 04 19:58:12 RST38h, because i want to keep my mobile number which is 10+ years old Jan 04 19:58:28 12, actually Jan 04 19:58:30 Arkenoi: Keep it for those visits to SpB, buy a new one for MSK Jan 04 19:59:46 what is the height of the top bar?q Jan 04 19:59:47 -q Jan 04 19:59:57 64? Jan 04 19:59:59 it is the only my contact known to many people. and there is no sms forwarding in russian cellular networks (dunno why, ukrainians do that quite well) Jan 04 20:00:02 dual sim would be so cool Jan 04 20:00:26 Arkenoi: They will have to memorize your new number, that's all Jan 04 20:00:40 things change. Jan 04 20:00:43 Jan 04 20:01:02 nite rst Jan 04 20:01:19 rst38h: some of them call or write me once a few years Jan 04 20:01:31 and it is still important to me Jan 04 20:01:50 and some of them do change their numbers so i cannot contact them right now Jan 04 20:03:09 I'm with Arkenoi. I paid good money for a 'memorable number' and have kept it for years Jan 04 20:05:42 wow, tower toppler! Jan 04 20:11:04 hm does the "automatic update" clock setting work for someone in here? Jan 04 20:11:21 funny how after a reboot / has reclaimed 26 megabytes of more space Jan 04 20:11:24 'evening all Jan 04 20:11:48 and lsof | grep deleted showed nothing Jan 04 20:11:56 as a happy new owner of a n900, I'm looking for an alternative to the default mail client, which is quite too simple and mostly lags a lot with large inboxes Jan 04 20:12:33 I saw a port of claws for maemo but it does not seem to be available on the n900. Is there a way to install it and/or other application to suggest ? Jan 04 20:12:47 * DocScrutinizer51 wonders what lsof l grep deleted might shaow anyway Jan 04 20:13:50 flux: that's one of the reasons for PR1.0.1 release Jan 04 20:14:08 there is claws for n900 Jan 04 20:14:20 konttori, so there's a bug about it? Jan 04 20:14:22 you can have multiple instances of gtk icon cache reserved by kernel. Jan 04 20:14:25 if you do not see it you probably haven't enable appropriate repository Jan 04 20:14:29 flux: and it's solved Jan 04 20:14:35 enabled even Jan 04 20:14:41 konttori, any keywords for bug search? Jan 04 20:14:56 nope. gtk icon cache? Jan 04 20:15:30 akiniemi: in what repository is it ? Jan 04 20:15:43 i enabled extra, but it dosn't show up Jan 04 20:22:12 I think claws-mail is in extras-devel. [Insert standard warnings and disclaimers about using extras-devel] Jan 04 20:22:26 nah, pretty sure I got it from extras-testing Jan 04 20:22:36 hm :) Jan 04 20:22:37 may not be the newest version though Jan 04 20:22:40 same disclaimer applies ;) Jan 04 20:23:31 ah, lsof | grep deleted is an incomplete diagnostics, because there exists a non-deleted file in place of the deleted one Jan 04 20:23:48 I wonder if that's fixable.. it could compare the inode numbers perhaps? Jan 04 20:24:03 * barbacha checks extra-testing Jan 04 20:24:04 http://i.imgur.com/JmRmb.jpg READ THIS Jan 04 20:24:13 * Arkenoi wonders why email interactions are not shown in conversations Jan 04 20:24:19 quite illogical Jan 04 20:26:13 konttori, wouldn't it be true that if I'm being hit by that bug, I should be able to safely start the system, because the capacity will be free at next startup? Jan 04 20:26:52 yes Jan 04 20:28:34 any nokia folks around who can point me to where to purchase N900s in bulk? Jan 04 20:28:45 bulk? Jan 04 20:28:53 what country is that? Jan 04 20:28:59 5 phones for dev/test Jan 04 20:29:07 none Jan 04 20:29:28 konfoo, not exactly bulk. Jan 04 20:29:30 ko Jan 04 20:29:46 konfoo, but you might want to talk to Forum Nokia. Jan 04 20:30:07 yeah i dealt with quim the last time but ive lost his email Jan 04 20:31:03 Not REALLY Quim's job, Forum Nokia should be able to help. Jan 04 20:32:27 uhhuh. Jan 04 20:37:58 Should be relatively easy to find him on the forums, etc Jan 04 20:38:28 ShadowJK: yup but he has turned off his private messaging ;) Jan 04 20:38:34 lol Jan 04 20:41:27 ah found his email, nm Jan 04 20:42:41 ah, so nice to do an apt-get update in 2s now :) Jan 04 20:42:54 now, what was I working on again? Hmm. Jan 04 20:46:02 <|R> decoders-support now has ogg vorbis, doesn't that conflict with the ogg-support package? Jan 04 20:46:13 konfoo: qgil's job is "Open source advocate". Not really relevant to his job, as GAN900 says. If there's a publicity angle, perhaps Peter Schneider would be better. However, if it's low-profile, Forum Nokia Jan 04 20:46:23 |R: Doesn't it just depends on the ogg-support package? Jan 04 20:46:40 <|R> jebba: ah uh oh maybe, i installed it afterward, didn't check 2 sec :P Jan 04 20:46:50 ~seen tomaszd Jan 04 20:46:54 tomaszd was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3h 26m 31s ago, saying: 'zaheerm, I've tracked the issue of tracker segfaulting down'. Jan 04 20:47:32 <|R> Jaffa: yep, you're right (sorry, used wrong nick above) Jan 04 20:47:35 |R meant jaffa? heh Jan 04 20:47:42 <|R> :P Jan 04 20:54:52 <|R> Jaffa: the weird thing is if i install decoders-support or mod-support i loose all the media in the player or photo ... Jan 04 20:55:15 <|R> even after a reboot where i see the tracker indexing in to Jan 04 20:55:16 <|R> top Jan 04 20:55:17 |R: It's just Tracker doing a full reindex AIUI Jan 04 20:55:59 <|R> Jaffa: i'll wait a bit more and see if it comes back Jan 04 20:56:22 <|R> as during the install sometimes i see the list of files it finds, and some other times i see : Jan 04 20:56:28 <|R> Could not get files by MIME type, Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. Jan 04 20:57:02 <|R> (that's apt-get over ssh) Jan 04 21:05:39 hello Jan 04 21:09:33 hey Jan 04 21:10:29 'Night all Jan 04 21:13:15 hi pierlux Jan 04 21:13:36 hi, I am the maintainer of libchamplain and I would like to be able to update the libchamplain packages in extra-devel myself :) (to releve lardman from the burden hehe) Jan 04 21:13:43 :) Jan 04 21:14:41 Anyone know how one registers to be able to upload? Jan 04 21:14:46 I asked X-Fade Jan 04 21:14:54 speaking of which, X-Fade, are you about? Jan 04 21:15:07 But if not, is there an official form to fill in on e.g. Garage? Jan 04 21:15:51 lardman: see: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras-devel Jan 04 21:16:05 cheers jebba Jan 04 21:16:24 how can I put a file inside .desktop folder, on N900? Jan 04 21:16:25 :S Jan 04 21:16:29 pierlux: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php?target=invitation_request Jan 04 21:17:22 I was on n900wallpapers Jan 04 21:17:39 but in order to make all 4 wallpapers to work simultaneuously Jan 04 21:17:51 I need to put a html file inside .desktop folder Jan 04 21:18:03 but with N900 file manager, I can't reah that folder.. Jan 04 21:18:15 Sir_Lancelot: x-term Jan 04 21:18:35 hum?? Jan 04 21:18:56 use the terminal Jan 04 21:19:02 I wonder if cifs/smbfs-support was left out of n900 just to potentially reduce the work on customer support Jan 04 21:19:15 fortunately they left in nfs ;) Jan 04 21:20:09 lardman I don't know linux comands to make that :( Jan 04 21:20:23 make what Sir_Lancelot ? Jan 04 21:20:41 tigert: o/ Jan 04 21:21:11 I need to move a file from documents folder into the .desktop folder Jan 04 21:21:17 it's a html file Jan 04 21:21:37 Sir_Lancelot: "mv" ? Jan 04 21:21:47 mv Jan 04 21:22:34 i wnat run kbluetooth,but,i recieve this error:kbluetooth: error while loading shared libraries: libknotificationitem-1.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Jan 04 21:23:00 like mv test.html /.desktop Jan 04 21:23:03 i reinstall kdelibs,but,it not solved! Jan 04 21:23:19 I'm giving it a try Jan 04 21:23:22 thanks Jan 04 21:23:25 np Jan 04 21:23:40 suppose I have a package and I want to upload it to the repositories Jan 04 21:23:48 whats my problem? Jan 04 21:23:49 sir_lancelot, cd and ls should help you around the filesystem Jan 04 21:23:50 where do i register? Jan 04 21:23:57 sir_lancelot, pwd will tell you the current directory, if it doesn't show it otherwise Jan 04 21:24:02 lbt: o/ Jan 04 21:24:08 thanks Jan 04 21:24:14 very usefull tips Jan 04 21:24:17 sir_lancelot, and "cd .." will move back to the higher level in hierarchy Jan 04 21:24:19 thank you guys Jan 04 21:24:21 mkargar, missing library Jan 04 21:24:45 cd returns you to the 'default' one Jan 04 21:24:55 cd without parametres that is Jan 04 21:25:02 tigert: so where did we meet in Barcelona? ;) Jan 04 21:25:05 MohammadAG:excuse me for bad post! Jan 04 21:25:53 lbt: you were the guy talking about mer? Jan 04 21:25:56 so can anyone help me? Jan 04 21:26:03 yep Jan 04 21:26:05 is there a photo of you in the net? Jan 04 21:26:09 yep Jan 04 21:26:33 http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/4165448443/ Jan 04 21:27:03 well Jan 04 21:27:07 I think I took that photo :) Jan 04 21:27:19 that would be a "there" Jan 04 21:27:22 :D Jan 04 21:27:25 * timeless lands in HEL Jan 04 21:27:31 as in http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigert/4161530652/ Jan 04 21:27:32 +L Jan 04 21:27:33 :) Jan 04 21:27:36 welcome back, don't rely on the trains? Jan 04 21:27:36 :P Jan 04 21:27:40 lbt: and you took this one Jan 04 21:27:44 lbt: was it holiday inn you were at last? Jan 04 21:27:44 so, heh. :D Jan 04 21:27:47 excellent Jan 04 21:27:50 the geniouses here decided to stick all baggage on one carousel (there are three) Jan 04 21:27:57 that overloaded the belt Jan 04 21:28:05 so they hit emergency stop Jan 04 21:28:09 timeless: get off the carousel Jan 04 21:28:19 lbt: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigert/4158771496/ Jan 04 21:28:29 and now we get to wait for someone to come from the other side of the termknal Jan 04 21:28:40 s/kna/ina/ Jan 04 21:28:40 timeless meant: and now we get to wait for someone to come from the other side of the terminal Jan 04 21:28:40 timeless: blame that on barona Jan 04 21:28:47 barona? Jan 04 21:29:07 baggage handling outsourced to barona, inc. Jan 04 21:29:11 yay Jan 04 21:29:13 joy etc Jan 04 21:29:49 anyway, now its time to sleep a bit Jan 04 21:29:51 laters! Jan 04 21:29:52 lbt: http://www.helsinkitimes.fi/htimes/domestic-news/general/9349-runaway-carriages-plough-into-hotel-in-central-helsinki-.html Jan 04 21:30:16 I like that hotel!! Jan 04 21:30:16 Stskeeps: trains run fine now I heard Jan 04 21:30:24 they've got it in for me :( Jan 04 21:30:30 the fixed that crash damage a friend said Jan 04 21:30:47 but the holiday inn got hurt :( Jan 04 21:31:03 even on x-tem I can't find the desktop folder.. Jan 04 21:31:03 :S Jan 04 21:31:26 re Jan 04 21:31:50 I can't go into home folder... Jan 04 21:34:16 "cd ~" Jan 04 21:35:22 Sir_Lancelot, or cd /home/user/MyDocs Jan 04 21:35:24 hum? Jan 04 21:35:41 done! Jan 04 21:35:44 thkx Jan 04 21:35:53 you can use cd ~, cd (without anything) or cd /home/user/MyDocs Jan 04 21:35:56 :) Jan 04 21:36:02 tab will help btw Jan 04 21:36:17 cd~didn't work... Jan 04 21:36:20 to complete filename and directory names Jan 04 21:36:23 wonder why... Jan 04 21:36:23 space Jan 04 21:36:26 cd ~ Jan 04 21:36:31 ahhhhh Jan 04 21:36:32 cd /home/user == cd ~ of course ;) Jan 04 21:36:38 I didn't put the space.. Jan 04 21:36:39 :P Jan 04 21:37:24 lardman, do you know how to up a package to extras-devel? Jan 04 21:37:51 yes Jan 04 21:38:00 what are you trying to package? Jan 04 21:38:08 I have the deb file ready Jan 04 21:38:10 nano Jan 04 21:38:23 and it's working on my N900 Jan 04 21:38:32 you need the .dsc, .source and .tar.gz Jan 04 21:38:47 as uploads have to be source Jan 04 21:38:59 .source? Jan 04 21:39:03 unless you upload to non-free, though as nano is free that seems pointless Jan 04 21:39:06 yeah Jan 04 21:39:15 got the .dsc and .tar.gz Jan 04 21:39:18 comes from "dpkg-buildpackage -sa -S" Jan 04 21:39:28 MohammadAG please read developer documentation Jan 04 21:40:24 you sure nano isn't already in extras-*...? Jan 04 21:40:35 already looked for it Jan 04 21:40:37 nano is Jan 04 21:40:39 as I hate vim Jan 04 21:40:45 woglinde, where? Jan 04 21:41:01 I have extras, extras-testing and -devel Jan 04 21:41:13 slow slow mameo.org Jan 04 21:41:26 http://maemo.org/packages/view/nano/ Jan 04 21:41:48 maybee he forgot to promote Jan 04 21:42:12 should be in devel Jan 04 21:42:25 oh well, I'll just download the deb and install it through terminal Jan 04 21:42:31 should update the build I did Jan 04 21:42:55 thanks anyways lardman :) Jan 04 21:42:58 and woglinde Jan 04 21:43:34 where the hell is .desktop folder on N900? Jan 04 21:43:39 I can't find it... Jan 04 21:43:39 :( Jan 04 21:43:54 isn't there a "search" for files and folders on N900? Jan 04 21:44:10 Does not exist by default I think? Jan 04 21:45:48 Sir_Lancelot, gpe-filemanager would help you Jan 04 21:45:56 apt-get install gpe-filemanager Jan 04 21:46:18 I ment that the folder .desktop does not exist by default Jan 04 21:46:31 Laiska, I know :) Jan 04 21:46:41 I just said it'd help him locate directories Jan 04 21:48:01 Sir_Lancelot: What are you trying to accomplish again.. why can't you just add the background images from desktop menu one by one? Jan 04 21:48:17 MohammadAG: Ok, just for clarification :) Jan 04 21:48:59 oh xchat is running on the N900 Jan 04 21:49:38 hi all Jan 04 21:50:02 hi blubbi Jan 04 21:50:33 I want to do some extensive app testing this week and looking for a reliable method to bakcup my contacts (merged contacts) events, dates, messages, etc... Jan 04 21:51:06 is the integrated backuptool reliable? Jan 04 21:52:45 used it today Jan 04 21:52:59 and while on this topic, where does Maemo store all this information? Is there a central database? Split up txt files? Jan 04 21:53:05 MohammadAG: and? Jan 04 21:53:14 it restored everything as it was Jan 04 21:53:31 was checking SMSs and conversations to see if it restored them Jan 04 21:53:55 MohammadAG: that sounds good, so now I can safly brick my phone :-) Jan 04 21:53:56 my advice though is, install all conversation plugins, then restore contacts Jan 04 21:54:19 haha, flashed it twice in a week Jan 04 21:54:22 IMHO I didn't install any conversation plugin Jan 04 21:54:29 Laiska when you're on n900 wallpaper page Jan 04 21:54:34 there's 2 links Jan 04 21:54:36 MSN yahoo etc Jan 04 21:54:44 a link with the 4 wallpapers Jan 04 21:54:51 and a link for an html file Jan 04 21:54:53 MohammadAG: I am only on Skype, XMMP Jan 04 21:55:02 XMPP is? Jan 04 21:55:03 which I guess has to be put inside the .desktop folder Jan 04 21:55:16 so that N900 detects those 4 wallpapers has a batch Jan 04 21:55:20 MohammadAG: ICQ Plugin is one I'll test and report bugs now Jan 04 21:55:20 it isn't SIP Jan 04 21:55:28 and change them all at once Jan 04 21:55:45 MohammadAG: XMMP is jabb Jan 04 21:55:49 oh Jan 04 21:55:50 jabber Jan 04 21:55:53 then no plugins Jan 04 21:56:00 were installed Jan 04 21:56:09 ack Jan 04 21:56:16 blubbi, you made the ICQ plugin? Jan 04 21:56:44 ah, yes, and SIP I use a lot Jan 04 21:56:53 no Jan 04 21:56:53 Sir_Lancelot: ahh.. umm, actually, the files I've seen over there are actually .desktop , not .html. Is this the case with your background image also? Jan 04 21:57:07 oh kk Jan 04 21:57:28 so, where should I put that desktop file? Jan 04 21:57:41 MohammadAG: but I would like to use ICQ, so I'll test it and see if I can find some bugs :-) Jan 04 21:57:51 you're right Laiska Jan 04 21:58:01 Sir_Lancelot: /home/user/MyDocs/.images/ Jan 04 21:58:07 never used ICQ really Jan 04 21:58:25 need a facebook chat plugin, sadly most ppl I know only use it for chat :( Jan 04 21:58:27 Sir_Lancelot: ..and then also move the pictures to the same (../images) folder Jan 04 21:58:51 Two bugreports from me concerning SIP have been accepted an will hopfully be fixed in the next or the following FW-Upgrade :-) Jan 04 21:59:21 so, I have to put all inside the Images folder, right? Jan 04 21:59:44 umm, yes Jan 04 22:00:23 have you tired? Jan 04 22:00:25 MohammadAG: I aam not into the Social-Networking stuff, don't even have a Facebook account :) Jan 04 22:00:27 tired Jan 04 22:00:48 have you tried it, Laiska ? Jan 04 22:01:17 I only use it for communication blubbi, cause as I said, my friends on it don't use MSN/yahoo/ICQ etc... Jan 04 22:01:55 But I like it if everbody fills out the stuff in skype (saves time adding birthday, location etc :-) 9 Jan 04 22:02:26 MohammadAG: ah, I see :-) Jan 04 22:03:15 browser does not copy text Jan 04 22:03:16 But I like it if everbody fills out the stuff in skype (saves time adding birthday, location etc :-) 9 Jan 04 22:03:24 i find no bugreport Jan 04 22:03:25 I use Hermes Jan 04 22:03:34 an advantage for social networking :) Jan 04 22:03:45 go to page Jan 04 22:04:13 select text select arrow Jan 04 22:04:18 Laiska I've put all inside the same folder, but it messed with my widgets Jan 04 22:04:19 cursor flashes a lot Jan 04 22:04:24 fails to hilight Jan 04 22:05:02 second try Jan 04 22:05:24 select text arrow and hilight within one half seconf Jan 04 22:05:38 MohammadAG: yeah hermes is nice :) Jan 04 22:05:45 text gets selected but no copy appears in menu Jan 04 22:05:49 hrrhrr, actually we both make use of the stupidity of others to get the contacts form filled out automatically :-) (Considering this, I might create a facebook account to get he missing information :-) ) Jan 04 22:05:50 third try: Jan 04 22:06:17 blubbi: yeah and pics too from facebook :) Jan 04 22:06:26 text selection dissapears Jan 04 22:06:28 ifreq: full ack Jan 04 22:06:31 fourth try: Jan 04 22:06:54 blubbi, you could then deactivate the account :p Jan 04 22:07:06 hilight works, copy menu option fails to appear Jan 04 22:07:11 ifreq: better than taking a photo for every contact :-) Jan 04 22:07:18 fifth try: Jan 04 22:07:24 MohammadAG: right :-) Jan 04 22:07:44 hilight works, copy menu option fails to appear Jan 04 22:07:49 ifreq: better than taking a photo for every contact :-) <-- tried it once, it's a bit awkward "I want a photo of you for my contacts list" Jan 04 22:07:51 sixth try: Jan 04 22:08:03 it was* Jan 04 22:08:09 where are all .desktop files sotred inside N900? Jan 04 22:08:12 :S Jan 04 22:08:42 text selection works, copy option appears in menu, paste to terminal pastes oold copy buffer from terminal Jan 04 22:08:57 Sir_Lancelot, find *.desktop I think Jan 04 22:08:59 MohammadAG: right again :-) Jan 04 22:09:16 seventh try: different page Jan 04 22:10:14 maemo.org loaded Jan 04 22:10:42 http://maemo.3ion.at/mymenu-0.4.2.20100104_armel.deb Jan 04 22:11:01 By the way, reflashing under Linux (I am using Gentoo Lionux) ) is there a a good sollution? Or should I reboot to Windows? Jan 04 22:11:49 Damn my connection is so laggy right now... takes minutes to type a sentence in irssi Jan 04 22:11:57 blubbi, use flasher-3.5 Jan 04 22:12:07 text hilight works. copy menu item appears (this time in a short list of options, why? why not all the selections i had before? copy button pressed. paste to terminal still gives old copy buffer Jan 04 22:12:19 MohammadAG: okay, thanks Jan 04 22:12:34 eighth try: maemo.org homepage Jan 04 22:12:34 blubbi, you have to install it from the .tar pkg Jan 04 22:13:45 blubbi, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Jan 04 22:13:47 Sir_Lancelot: /usr/share/applications/hildon IIRC Jan 04 22:13:57 hilight works, browser menu shows no "copy" option. reclick on menu brings up copy option Jan 04 22:14:08 then download this: maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool for Fremantle and Diablo, installation package for other than Debian based Linuxes (x86, 32-bit) Jan 04 22:14:15 "Weather Forecast on Nokia N900. Ultra-customisable weather widget for showing forecast the way you want." Jan 04 22:14:36 pupnik, I want it in 3D :p Jan 04 22:14:41 copy/paste works on EIGHTH attempt Jan 04 22:14:51 end rant Jan 04 22:14:57 pupnik lol Jan 04 22:14:58 use ctrl-c Jan 04 22:15:02 end sage advice Jan 04 22:15:09 same problem Jan 04 22:15:13 does not work Jan 04 22:15:18 eh? Jan 04 22:15:20 pupnik, which app? Jan 04 22:15:24 shall i youtube Jan 04 22:15:27 is that noted in the bug? Jan 04 22:15:32 default browser Jan 04 22:15:41 MohammadAG: thanks a a lot! Jan 04 22:15:45 i am not supposed to file bug reports with proto Jan 04 22:15:47 weird, it always works Jan 04 22:16:01 blubbi, np, have that page bookmarked lol Jan 04 22:16:56 Jaffa ???? what do you mean? Jan 04 22:17:17 MohammadAG: already done :-) Jan 04 22:17:47 Sir_Lancelot, the .desktop files are there Jan 04 22:17:56 in /usr/share/applications/hildon Jan 04 22:18:14 ok after next reflash ill test seriously Jan 04 22:18:15 type cd /usr/share/applications/hildon and then ls to see the files in terminal Jan 04 22:18:32 I see it Jan 04 22:18:32 :D Jan 04 22:18:44 why didn't the "find" command found the files ?? Jan 04 22:18:59 MohammadAG: I didn't check for flasher when installing the SDK (running scratchbox on Gentoo) but it is apparently on the same site :-) Jan 04 22:19:05 show find command Jan 04 22:19:18 really don't know, it seems that it shows files in the directory you're in Jan 04 22:19:36 Sir_Lancelot: Because you didn't start from / in your find command? Jan 04 22:19:42 you downloaded the images blubbi ? Jan 04 22:19:45 I did Jan 04 22:19:54 I was at / Jan 04 22:19:56 i'm walking home in snow Jan 04 22:19:58 when I wrote Jan 04 22:20:03 find *.desktop Jan 04 22:20:10 but no results came out Jan 04 22:20:19 no I mean it only searches the directory w/o subdirectories Jan 04 22:20:39 yes, I was answering to Jaffa Jan 04 22:20:51 Sir_Lancelot: The syntax would be: find / -name '*.desktop'. Jan 04 22:20:51 oh Jan 04 22:20:52 ./.sounds/Ringtones/Gradient.aac Jan 04 22:21:03 Sir_Lancelot: Or, if you are in /, find . -name '*.desktop' would work as well Jan 04 22:21:16 oh sorry that was interpreted by irssi Jan 04 22:21:23 /MyDocs# find . -name \*ent* Jan 04 22:21:35 ./.sounds/Ringtones/Gradient.aac Jan 04 22:22:10 oh I missed the -name parameter Jan 04 22:22:54 MohammadAG: That was the first try, but then I gave scratchbox a trytry on gentoo linux and it worked Jan 04 22:23:45 oh I see Jan 04 22:23:53 blubbi, have you ever upgraded the SDK? Jan 04 22:23:58 very useful command. also grep -ri $mystring $path to search for text in a whole subtree Jan 04 22:24:18 the new SDK doesn't have the Clear device option in Settings, and it's not on the N900 PR firmware Jan 04 22:24:36 even with -name parameter Jan 04 22:24:45 it only returns the only result Jan 04 22:24:51 which isn't inside the hildon folder Jan 04 22:24:52 ehehehe Jan 04 22:24:58 MohammadAG: I installed it a week ago... then I left for holliday so I never worked with it Jan 04 22:25:18 find will not see files hidden to user Jan 04 22:25:31 I installe dit on my PC at work Jan 04 22:25:36 Sir_Lancelot, did you include the ' and the wildcard? Jan 04 22:25:46 oh then it's the new one blubbi Jan 04 22:25:53 the old one had a Clear Device option Jan 04 22:26:06 and the App manager was in the main menu outside of "More" Jan 04 22:27:17 I wrote Jan 04 22:27:24 MohammadAG: okay, I see, . I still have to dig into this whole SDK scratchbox thing... Jan 04 22:27:37 find . -name '*.desktop' Jan 04 22:27:50 what's the . for? Jan 04 22:27:53 the first one Jan 04 22:28:26 just do Jan 04 22:28:34 find -name '*.desktop' Jan 04 22:28:39 in / of course Jan 04 22:28:51 MohammadAG: creating packages for gentoo (ebuilds) is way easier Jan 04 22:29:10 never tried Gentoo Jan 04 22:29:30 only tried OSs that use RPM and APT Jan 04 22:29:30 it's lovely Jan 04 22:29:42 blubbi, ever tried Debian? Jan 04 22:29:55 blubbi: and time consuming on just about every arm device Jan 04 22:30:12 blubbi: i have gentoo on my openrd-client, which has 1.2GHz cpu and 512MB of ram Jan 04 22:30:47 wow, someone was leaving my nuilding as i arrived Jan 04 22:30:50 is it easy to mod "Camkeyd" to go to desktop instead of dashboard? Jan 04 22:31:28 MohammadAG: I did, but diliked the Distribution upgrades, Gentoo has roling updates, theer is nothing like Gentoo 2.1 or similar to Debian and others. Jan 04 22:32:11 arachnist: just copy the OS from the device to a fast Desktop, chroot into it and comile on an fast amachine Jan 04 22:32:27 blubbi: yeah, right Jan 04 22:32:41 blubbi: and run qemu binary translation, which is painfully slow Jan 04 22:32:43 LOOLllll...Permission Denied Jan 04 22:33:11 blubbi: or do you have a fast desktop computer powered by an arm chip? Jan 04 22:33:31 Sry, gusy, my connection is so bad... I have to leave or I get cracy..... see you soon! Jan 04 22:34:05 arachnist: No I don't (I have a Core i7 Desktop) Jan 04 22:34:11 # Jan 04 22:34:23 i have an arm cortex Jan 04 22:34:30 me too Jan 04 22:34:58 * Arkenoi now thinks it might be more useful to map camera key to older tablets "fullscreen" key Jan 04 22:35:21 you don't like camkeyd's current function? Jan 04 22:35:23 many applications just do not have fullscreen support because there is no key to activate it Jan 04 22:35:28 rss reader, etc Jan 04 22:35:38 I'd be happier if we could remap a full press and half press to be different Jan 04 22:35:45 half press = dashboard, full press = desktop Jan 04 22:35:48 kamui: i like it, but i'd like to have a choice ;-) Jan 04 22:35:50 slowwww repos :( Jan 04 22:35:59 Arkenoi, I feel you, choice is always good Jan 04 22:36:18 half \ full press!! brill Jan 04 22:36:46 is it only me who thinks the n800 was build much better.. just compared it with the n900 and thought how well build the n800 is compared to te n900 Jan 04 22:36:57 well Jan 04 22:37:05 the N800 was pretty much a solid piece of plastic Jan 04 22:37:13 the N900 doesn't have any quality issues, feels quite sturdy Jan 04 22:38:03 * v2px acks Jan 04 22:38:04 the slider especially feels a lot better than many other nokia phones, and most sliders in general Jan 04 22:38:11 Arkenoi: yeah Jan 04 22:38:15 dockane_, tell me exactly what you dont like about the N900's build quality Jan 04 22:38:31 kamui: the stand is one big quality issue Jan 04 22:38:34 Arkenoi: The current function with the shutter closed of 'tell userto open the shutter' is a bit pointles. Jan 04 22:38:43 well, the stand is definately the weakest link Jan 04 22:38:45 wouldnt say so, too. its just like.. metalcover, cursorpad: something more handy if it comes to "rough usage" Jan 04 22:39:07 but I don't think that should send the phone down the bad quality build lane Jan 04 22:39:09 the N810 stand, apart from being wtfawesome, feels like a freakin' roll bar Jan 04 22:39:14 Gadgetoid_mbp: yeah.. the stand is crap Jan 04 22:39:20 Oh and the battery cover Jan 04 22:39:29 In general is just a nuisance and seems destined to break Jan 04 22:39:48 But, that said, the N810 battery cover is horrible Jan 04 22:40:12 * Arkenoi liked e90 very much. more solid metal, sexy clank when it fixes itself open Jan 04 22:40:19 It's an exercise in serious overengineering, so the N900 is a big step forward in that case Jan 04 22:40:21 I never had the pleasure of owning an N810 Jan 04 22:40:31 i had the feeling i was gonna fsck up something when taking off the battery cover Jan 04 22:40:31 but the N800 I had was pretty nice and felt real durable Jan 04 22:40:35 I get the same feeling with the N900 Jan 04 22:40:43 like it could take anything short of a long drop onto concrete Jan 04 22:41:15 There's not much give anywhere on the N900, it's definitely robust Jan 04 22:41:35 And the screen, of course, is not glass Jan 04 22:41:41 yes it is. Jan 04 22:41:47 Well not the top surface Jan 04 22:41:51 The front surface of the screen is noit glass. Jan 04 22:41:57 :) Jan 04 22:41:58 i am very happy to own the n800. pretty sure there will be always some usage for it. i currently use it as (vnc) remote controll for my media center Jan 04 22:42:13 So that probably affords it ever so slightly more protection than the likes of an iPhone Jan 04 22:42:22 the plastic is good enough. many people complain it is easy to scratch, well, it is not, at least not with plastic or your nails Jan 04 22:42:33 I do wonder hoe muychg the image would change if you instead of just an air gap betwen screen and digitiser had optical silicone Jan 04 22:42:36 although they're now putting stupidly tough deep hardened glass into phones Jan 04 22:42:51 though they say they successfully scrathed it with stylus or even cleaning cloth Jan 04 22:43:00 don't know how they do it Jan 04 22:43:10 I've neither put a screen protector on mine, nor scratched it Jan 04 22:43:12 stylus + leetle bit of grit Jan 04 22:43:26 gadgetoid, me neither Jan 04 22:44:04 Sir_Lancelot, you tried using rootsh? Jan 04 22:44:15 wow, I think all this time the problem may have just been the cable I was using Jan 04 22:44:24 I just changed cables, lets see if that helps stabilize my net Jan 04 22:44:41 jeez, I still have 2 stale clients too Jan 04 22:44:47 what is rootsh? Jan 04 22:45:03 Sir_Lancelot, have u ever used linux before? Jan 04 22:45:05 I advise you, in case you haven't noticed yet...I'm a real noob on this Jan 04 22:45:09 ~root Jan 04 22:45:10 it has been said that root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. Jan 04 22:45:16 lol ok Jan 04 22:45:19 i know DOS Jan 04 22:45:20 lol Jan 04 22:45:21 nice Jan 04 22:45:26 Ugh, too much jim beam in my icecream Jan 04 22:45:27 open the App Manager Jan 04 22:45:29 feel ill Jan 04 22:45:29 Sir_Lancelot, you know vista or windows 7? Jan 04 22:45:29 so, the philosofy is not that different Jan 04 22:45:41 root is the same as the Administrator account with UAC elevated access Jan 04 22:45:42 both kamui_ Jan 04 22:45:44 or similar Jan 04 22:45:46 Sir_Lancelot, open App manager and search for rootsh Jan 04 22:45:58 ok Jan 04 22:46:08 root is superuser, you need to be one to edit system files Jan 04 22:46:11 rootsh is the package that lets you easily gain root on the tablet Jan 04 22:46:12 iirc Jan 04 22:46:15 on linux desktops, you use sudo Jan 04 22:46:28 on Nokia tablets, rootsh is the easiest way Jan 04 22:46:31 well, a smart admin uses sudo when its doable Jan 04 22:46:42 my admins love to do shit as root Jan 04 22:46:56 kamui__, I changed the pass for user but I can't use sudo Jan 04 22:46:56 at work, they are complete microsoft admins going on linux noob Jan 04 22:47:00 it worked before Jan 04 22:47:10 I wasn't aware sudo worked on the tablets Jan 04 22:47:23 it worked on mine before Jan 04 22:47:28 I dont think the command is set suid root Jan 04 22:47:32 err the binary Jan 04 22:47:47 60B/s from the maemo repos :S Jan 04 22:47:49 but I didn't explore it, I just use gainroot for the few seconds I need root access on the tablet Jan 04 22:47:56 I don't have privileges to execute binary files Jan 04 22:48:02 v2px, same here :( Jan 04 22:48:28 ok Jan 04 22:48:29 fremantle osso-xterm does not show utf8 chars when i ssh over to another box and attach to a screen and when i input, the app seems to get "doubly encoded" utf8, plain term seems to be fine Jan 04 22:48:30 irony though the maemo website is unusually nice and fast Jan 04 22:48:32 just installed rootsh Jan 04 22:48:34 now what? Jan 04 22:48:38 type root Jan 04 22:48:40 open terminal Jan 04 22:48:41 or sudo gainroot Jan 04 22:48:43 type root Jan 04 22:48:48 tablets-dev is awfully slow too Jan 04 22:49:01 use sudo gainroot if you want to gain root access at the same location you're in now Jan 04 22:49:16 root by itself will spawn a different shell altogether Jan 04 22:49:17 ok Jan 04 22:49:17 I think its ash Jan 04 22:49:20 and? Jan 04 22:49:24 nothing Jan 04 22:49:31 if you don't need root, don't use it until you do Jan 04 22:49:44 its like doing a runas in windows Jan 04 22:49:54 ahhh Jan 04 22:49:55 ok Jan 04 22:49:57 got it Jan 04 22:50:00 (Y) Jan 04 22:50:03 its like runas /user:domain\adminstrator cmd.exe Jan 04 22:50:09 ok cool Jan 04 22:50:36 now. Im running to the gym, maybe when I come back someone would like to help me package blender and the support libraries for the devel repo Jan 04 22:52:38 fdx...mete lá o neuron Jan 04 22:52:46 upsss.wrong window :P Jan 04 22:53:27 lol Jan 04 22:53:58 as a random aside, some of the mount points do not allow binary execution Jan 04 22:54:10 e.g. /home/user/MyDocs Jan 04 22:54:17 iirc Jan 04 22:54:40 vfat does not support the users Jan 04 22:54:49 does not syupport userid Jan 04 22:54:57 so, agin Jan 04 22:55:06 if I want to move a file from one place to another Jan 04 22:55:07 so being able to exec programs on it is usually a security risk Jan 04 22:55:20 what's the syntax I have to use on x-term? Jan 04 22:55:30 mv source destination Jan 04 22:56:15 If the filenames or directories have spaces or other chars in, then mv "source" "destination" Jan 04 22:58:18 ~curse material noise Jan 04 22:58:19 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, material noise ! Jan 04 22:58:22 hummm Jan 04 22:58:51 Sir_Lancelot, is almost the same as in other linux distro, you can easily find linux command references in the web Jan 04 22:59:03 oki-doki Jan 04 22:59:05 :) Jan 04 22:59:59 Sir_Lancelot, you really should read a quick tutorial, binary execution in linux is the same as almost any other os, except the local path is not added to the "PATH" by default Jan 04 23:00:01 now im leaving Jan 04 23:00:19 VDVsx: this is clearly why we need manpages Jan 04 23:00:34 Sir_Lancelot, for example: phoenix.goucher.edu/~kelliher/f2006/cs245/linux1.pdf Jan 04 23:00:45 SpeedEvil: on device?! Jan 04 23:00:51 very small one, but very handy :) Jan 04 23:01:05 thank you guys Jan 04 23:01:13 you've been tons usefull Jan 04 23:01:28 this is why I'm a bigger fan of N900 every minute Jan 04 23:01:31 ehehehe Jan 04 23:05:48 lardman: stick em on mydocs - how big are they - 5M? Jan 04 23:07:46 SpeedEvil: yeah, but reading man pages on the device will be a pita Jan 04 23:08:01 plus the x-term is really only deisnged for those in the know to use Jan 04 23:08:05 * timeless_mbp returns to the scary world Jan 04 23:08:08 i.e. those that can Google for the man pages Jan 04 23:08:37 maybe port xman ;D Jan 04 23:08:45 true Jan 04 23:08:52 but still, google is easier Jan 04 23:12:27 * timeless_mbp gets to see finnish news showing the train crash Jan 04 23:13:02 junaturma ? Jan 04 23:14:17 * ShadowJK googles it Jan 04 23:18:45 Does the FM transmitter scan for frequences that are in use when it is started? Jan 04 23:18:51 no Jan 04 23:18:52 in the n900* Jan 04 23:19:00 but the chipset has the ability to do that Jan 04 23:19:06 iirc from the spec sheet Jan 04 23:19:43 No, but it can Jan 04 23:19:57 can also transmit from 76-108MHz I think Jan 04 23:20:00 can or could? Jan 04 23:20:15 ? Jan 04 23:20:24 Hmm, interesting cos i was trying to use it in a bus to try and transmit to the same freq. that they were listening and it didn't allow me to select it, it always changed the freq. +0.1MHz Jan 04 23:20:26 well atm the code's not written afaik Jan 04 23:20:30 yeah Jan 04 23:20:48 CoreFusion-: interesting indeed Jan 04 23:20:59 what freuency? Jan 04 23:21:13 tho 0.1Hz is probably still receiving that channel anyway Jan 04 23:21:21 .1MHz Jan 04 23:21:30 yeah sorry Jan 04 23:21:32 ShadowJK: 88.0 Jan 04 23:21:36 .1MHz is not close enough to reliably recieve Jan 04 23:21:42 it is close enough to interfere Jan 04 23:21:55 it could be that you can't set under 88.1 Jan 04 23:21:57 try it now Jan 04 23:22:10 I chose the freq. and then started the transmitter and then the freq. was 88.1 Jan 04 23:22:17 frequency starts at 88.1 Jan 04 23:22:20 in Settings Jan 04 23:22:33 ends at 107.9 Jan 04 23:22:49 88.1 is the lowest you can set Jan 04 23:23:05 ok Jan 04 23:23:12 but why? Jan 04 23:23:15 below 88 is illegal in many european countries, police radio and such operate there Jan 04 23:23:25 but 88.0 isn't Jan 04 23:23:40 cehteh, so it's a hardware limitation? Jan 04 23:23:43 i can set mine to 88.0 iirc Jan 04 23:23:50 and at 88.1, the channel occupies 88.0-88.2 Jan 04 23:23:53 MohammadAG: no i think its in software Jan 04 23:24:08 oh kk Jan 04 23:24:30 region may affect it Jan 04 23:24:32 speaking of FM TX, why aren't **.*5 frequencies supported Jan 04 23:24:38 Symbian allowed them Jan 04 23:24:43 like 88.25 Jan 04 23:24:44 cehteh: it can go to - I think - 76 Jan 04 23:24:52 cehteh: for japan Jan 04 23:25:09 Mmm . . . 40/5Mbps for only $15 more per month. Jan 04 23:25:10 MohammadAG: probably just bad software IIRC the chips pports it. Jan 04 23:25:15 or 88.2 for that matter Jan 04 23:25:16 MohammadAG: does it depend on country? In the UK we only use 10ths of a MHz Jan 04 23:25:23 lardman: yes Jan 04 23:25:35 lardman: the channel spacing varies by country Jan 04 23:25:36 US device Jan 04 23:25:46 bandwidth of the fm channels is bigger than 0.05 mhz anyways Jan 04 23:26:01 i prefer imperial FM radio measurements Jan 04 23:26:03 only 10ths here too. No radio receiver will tune to .05 Jan 04 23:26:05 any good msn-account plugin available? Jan 04 23:26:23 ShadowJK, technically analog ones do Jan 04 23:26:24 MohammadAG: hw is the same, depends on the localisation Jan 04 23:26:26 ShadowJK, cehteh does it allow 88.2 Jan 04 23:26:35 US FW then Jan 04 23:26:38 ShadowJK: N800 used to Jan 04 23:26:42 good = signup works, stable and it doesnt try to import msn data into contacst without asking. also it wont remove accounts from msn if you remove em from contact book.. *G* Jan 04 23:26:50 hey lardman Jan 04 23:26:56 mine only allows 0.1/3/5/7/9 Jan 04 23:26:59 hi lcuk Jan 04 23:28:08 I found a nice empty bit of spectrum, which is completely silent, just background static all the way to work :D Jan 04 23:28:54 you've done well there, mine seems to change as I drive, could do with the transmitter constantly looking for clear freqs and then jumping Jan 04 23:29:14 and crossing fingers that the RDS car stereo can follow it! Jan 04 23:29:32 lardman, so it does jump? Jan 04 23:30:41 no Jan 04 23:31:12 well the stereo does, but not the N900 ;) Jan 04 23:31:13 but it would be nice if it could Jan 04 23:31:17 indeed Jan 04 23:31:27 another project to add to the list of things to do.... Jan 04 23:31:54 what's the best MSN plugin? Jan 04 23:32:04 lardman, quit your job and lock yourself in the basement already. Sheesh. Jan 04 23:32:21 GAN900: Why didn't I think of that! Jan 04 23:32:23 had Haze but it threw a lot of Network errors when disconnecting/reconnecting Jan 04 23:32:24 ah, no basement Jan 04 23:32:24 lol Jan 04 23:32:29 LOL Jan 04 23:34:18 a cellar is fine too Jan 04 23:34:42 a crawlspace? meh Jan 04 23:34:54 don't have one of those either, and if I did I think the contents might take my mind off the coding anyway ;) Jan 04 23:35:08 ^ cellar Jan 04 23:36:53 hmm... anyone happen to know where i might find spare parts for laser printers? Jan 04 23:38:28 CoreFusion-: in a laser printer? Jan 04 23:39:56 fnordianslip: haha :P The thing is, I got a Samsung CLP-315 as a christmas present, but I would prefer a network printer so i was thinking about getting the network adapter from a CLP-315W and install it on this device... :P Jan 04 23:40:11 ebay? Jan 04 23:40:34 ##hardware? Jan 04 23:40:40 (not ##electronics_ Jan 04 23:40:53 i never wanted a printer. i just wanted a computer everywhere i went :) Jan 04 23:43:33 nothing in ebay.. Jan 04 23:48:20 CoreFusion-: your wifi ap does not support usb devices? Jan 04 23:48:28 many do (ie nas boxes and printers) Jan 04 23:48:44 think it would be more cheaper than separate network adapter for printer Jan 04 23:49:22 ifreq: no it doesn't, i don't use network devices that are meant for average home users.. more like small offices Jan 04 23:49:43 i have a dedicated ap Jan 04 23:50:53 yeah well some small office stuff has also the usb port.. but what the hell was just an option. forget it then. Jan 04 23:51:21 no offense meant Jan 04 23:52:00 yeah didnt take :) Jan 04 23:52:17 2AM, time to get some sleep, good luck on hunting for the adapter then. Jan 04 23:52:44 thanks :) Jan 04 23:53:20 could somebody please pastebin a default ~/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg from an N900 for me :) Jan 05 00:04:07 this is bs. let me know when things are actually working again. Jan 05 00:06:47 how? Jan 05 00:07:12 just hung device fnordianslip sorry ;) Jan 05 00:08:19 pupnik, no worries, not urgent Jan 05 00:08:27 jebba: chill dude. Jan 05 00:08:42 fnordianslip, you still need it? Jan 05 00:08:55 oh go on then Jan 05 00:09:06 http://paste-it.net/public/kfc2bad/ Jan 05 00:10:21 TomaszD: cheers Jan 05 00:10:28 np Jan 05 00:11:30 Its just that I seem to be able to make Media Player crash when editing the NoWatchDirectory entry, and wanted to be sure I'd not buggered the file up elsewhere Jan 05 00:11:39 night all Jan 05 00:12:28 NoWatchDirectory shouldn't make Media Player crash fnordianslip, you'll only get some critical errors in the tracker log Jan 05 00:13:46 that's what i'd have thought. check out https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7540 Jan 05 00:13:48 Bug 7540: Media Player crashes viewing Music by Playlist Jan 05 00:16:28 that is quite a wall of text you have there Jan 05 00:17:28 fnordianslip, anything interesting in trackerd.log ? Jan 05 00:17:44 dunno. where is it? Jan 05 00:18:08 /home/user/.local/share/tracker/trackerd.log off the top of my head Jan 05 00:18:55 you might get an error about a .camera folder missing, I've already reported that and it's confirmed Jan 05 00:19:28 is your wall of text comment down to me not using capitalisation? Jan 05 00:20:07 no, it's ok, it's just a lot of information Jan 05 00:21:06 fnordianslip, so if you add podcast to nowatch and force re-indexing the bug doesn't occur Jan 05 00:21:17 but if you don't force re-indexing, media player dies Jan 05 00:21:19 ? Jan 05 00:21:32 nope. Jan 05 00:21:46 if i add podcast dir to nowatch, then reindex, mp dies. Jan 05 00:21:59 if i undo that change and reindex, mp doesn't die. Jan 05 00:22:19 have now found that many other potential changes to nowatch also cause mp crash Jan 05 00:22:21 but none of this happens without the massive library? Jan 05 00:22:35 dunno. you try ? Jan 05 00:23:00 tbh, I've had enough for today Jan 05 00:23:04 assuming you haven't a 'massive' library. which mine isn't :) Jan 05 00:23:04 especially with tracker Jan 05 00:23:16 which died on me very often today Jan 05 00:23:22 don't fancy the 3 hour wait to resync the library Jan 05 00:23:35 tracker very well behaved for me, except this issue Jan 05 00:23:45 runs well and quickly Jan 05 00:24:10 'well behaved'. look when you open media player, you have to wait for many seconds for it to pull up thumbnails, and watch while it sorts them Jan 05 00:24:13 yes, but if you screw up adding mimetypes, it'll segfault and kill your dog Jan 05 00:24:21 found a bug :/ Jan 05 00:24:28 suppose a song's playing, and you're chatting, what would you use the volume keys for? Jan 05 00:24:37 changing font size Jan 05 00:24:39 zooming? Jan 05 00:24:39 lol Jan 05 00:24:51 MohammadAG, that's already fixed. Jan 05 00:24:56 where? Jan 05 00:25:01 in the future Jan 05 00:25:04 lol Jan 05 00:25:05 :) Jan 05 00:25:17 no, seriously, it's fixed Jan 05 00:25:36 oh so when media is playing my application can't see the +/- buttons anymore Jan 05 00:25:36 gonna vote for it :p Jan 05 00:25:36 ? Jan 05 00:26:05 actually I don't mind it zooming, but it should at least reflow the text! Jan 05 00:26:12 that is an option i think Jan 05 00:26:13 when you chat the volume buttons adjust volume for PR1.1 Jan 05 00:26:16 so don't bother Jan 05 00:26:24 chat in WHAT APP? Jan 05 00:26:32 conversations app Jan 05 00:26:48 ok nm Jan 05 00:27:23 those buttons should be relevant to current app, not background processes Jan 05 00:27:26 like the keyboard Jan 05 00:27:45 well, afair, adjusting text size was unintended Jan 05 00:27:45 again, I don't mind it, but it should reflow the text Jan 05 00:28:00 TomaszD: just reindex with the podcasts dir in nowatch, and nothing interesting in the tracker log. mp still errors. Jan 05 00:28:15 >:| I hate this bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2747 Jan 05 00:28:17 Bug 2747: inconsistent mmc device naming at boot time when one card is missing Jan 05 00:28:37 fnordianslip, very strange Jan 05 00:28:44 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5624 Jan 05 00:28:45 Bug 5624: Zoom in/out in IM chat does not reflow contents Jan 05 00:29:41 nice, so maybe it'll come back later as a feature Jan 05 00:29:52 the current version I have adjusts volume Jan 05 00:30:34 wow, that mysticrokks is a pure troll Jan 05 00:30:43 I haven't read a single post from him that isn' Jan 05 00:30:53 t derogatory to the OP or just purely not helpful Jan 05 00:35:59 first official test of the N900 in real world settings for me Jan 05 00:36:42 closed the 8 hour work day with about 50% battery life, received about 90 jabber IM's on it while connected to wifi. Im impressed Jan 05 00:37:26 then 1 hour of podcast at the gym, no charges and its at 50%. I think this is a definite winner. Could definately go rbiger battery though. Jan 05 00:37:36 Any news on the N97 battery fitting? Jan 05 00:38:40 wtf? Jan 05 00:38:41 mugen said they're making a higher capacity one Jan 05 00:38:47 OpenVPN requires Bash? Jan 05 00:38:49 yea, Im still waiting o that Jan 05 00:38:58 but I'd HEARD that the N97 batteries fit Jan 05 00:39:06 both the regular 1800mah and the extended 4amp Jan 05 00:39:12 obviously the 4amp needs a new back Jan 05 00:39:20 woot? Jan 05 00:39:20 hrm Jan 05 00:39:24 just wondering if anyone had confirmed it Jan 05 00:39:25 no, they don't Jan 05 00:39:25 4Ah? Jan 05 00:39:40 Assuming you meant the 3600mAh one Jan 05 00:39:46 yea, 3900mah N97 extended Jan 05 00:39:49 maybe it was 3600 Jan 05 00:39:51 3600 Jan 05 00:39:52 but yes Jan 05 00:39:53 Kamui, why would a BP-4L fit? Jan 05 00:40:13 Kamui, pinwise, sure, but it's too large for the battery bay. Jan 05 00:40:14 GAN900, I don't know, I only own the N95, an N80, and the N900 Jan 05 00:40:23 so I can't compare them Jan 05 00:40:33 Kamui: heh, I went from N80 to an N95 8gb to an N900 Jan 05 00:40:35 just read that on a blog Jan 05 00:40:42 ha ha, same fo rme dnaumov Jan 05 00:40:52 Kamui: looking back now, N80 was all kinds of horrible if we are honest :P Jan 05 00:40:54 I did have the iPhone 2g, 3g, and 3gs in between the N95 and N900 Jan 05 00:40:58 yea Jan 05 00:41:04 The N80 was awesome Jan 05 00:41:04 * Jaffa has an N97 here. Battery much larger physically; doesn't fit in N900 Jan 05 00:41:07 N95 8gb is really really good tho Jan 05 00:41:09 except it had too little memory Jan 05 00:41:11 and BAD battery life Jan 05 00:41:18 it was what lead me to the N95 Jan 05 00:41:26 I love dthe N95 Jan 05 00:41:29 I actually had the N95-3 Jan 05 00:41:31 my fiance got my n95 8gb Jan 05 00:41:32 with an 8gig sim Jan 05 00:41:37 I wanted the N95-4 Jan 05 00:41:38 now that I am using the N900 Jan 05 00:41:48 but It was like 200$ cheaper to get the N95-3 Jan 05 00:41:59 she replaced some truly horrible "clamshell" s40 nokia Jan 05 00:42:01 take the .5" screen size loss Jan 05 00:42:05 ha ha Jan 05 00:42:14 dnaumov, I had the 9300 communicator for a while too Jan 05 00:42:16 wow Jan 05 00:42:19 that was a piece of doodoo Jan 05 00:42:21 oh god Jan 05 00:42:23 9300 Jan 05 00:42:30 9300i to boot Jan 05 00:42:36 2nd worst device I've ever owned Jan 05 00:42:42 I was in love iwth it fo rabout 1 week Jan 05 00:42:46 then realized just how limiting it was Jan 05 00:43:14 I had all sorts of Siemens phones before going for the e61 initially, then the e51, now n900 Jan 05 00:43:18 I really considered the e90 for a while, but decided against it. There were all types of reports of software not supporting the non standard resolution Jan 05 00:43:21 Kamui: you wouldnt believe the amount of small business users who got the 9300 and then I had to watch their faces when they called us up (I work at a major mobile/internet provider) and I got to tell them it does not actually have FAX support Jan 05 00:43:36 lol Jan 05 00:43:37 i went from the 6680 to N95 to N97 (sold) to the N73 (really unproductive period) to the N86 and finally the N900 Jan 05 00:43:38 well not watch their faces, but I could imagine them pretty well Jan 05 00:44:01 dnaumov, I had an efaxing app on my 9300, it was mostly useless though Jan 05 00:44:24 you're talking about native fax support righ Jan 05 00:44:28 Jaffa, do you like the N97, I had one for a couple of weeks, didn't like it very much :) Jan 05 00:44:39 I noticed that its in the firmware, but it never worked...that must be why Jan 05 00:44:44 yeah Jaffa, why do you even have the n97 in the first place? :) Jan 05 00:45:01 I *loved* my N95, one of the best phones I've ever owned. Jan 05 00:45:05 well, I hear the N97 mini is pretty nice Jan 05 00:45:17 Kamui: we cashed in on that and offered them an auto-answermachine converter service, they were given an additional mobile number which they could give out to people, if you sent a FAX to it, what is technically a gsm answer machine picked it up, converted the fax into a PDF and mailed it to the user via email Jan 05 00:45:17 if you're looking for a consumer ready S60v5 Jan 05 00:45:29 the n95 was and still is great, my father refuses to upgrade from it Jan 05 00:45:41 lol dnaumov sounds just like the efax service I had Jan 05 00:45:42 mine N97 has a loan, one of the first release, it seems that the current fw version is much better Jan 05 00:45:51 *was Jan 05 00:45:53 Kamui: it was a truly ugly hack, but it worked and it worked perfectly and we saved people time and money and cashed in some serious $ Jan 05 00:46:01 nice Jan 05 00:46:10 had the N97 from v10 Jan 05 00:47:13 sold it when it got v20 Jan 05 00:50:01 TomaszD: I dont blame him, N95 8gb is the best phone with pda features, while N900 is the best pda with phone features :) Jan 05 00:50:32 dnaumov, he has the basic model with the card slot, but indeed an 8gb card Jan 05 00:50:46 dnaumov, I hate to say it Jan 05 00:50:51 but the N900 has TERRIBLE phone features Jan 05 00:50:59 well Jan 05 00:51:01 not terrible Jan 05 00:51:02 but incomplete Jan 05 00:51:03 not terrible phone features. Jan 05 00:51:05 do you mean software wise/ Jan 05 00:51:06 yes. Jan 05 00:51:18 no, I love the N900s dialer and functionality Jan 05 00:51:22 its just that its "lacking" Jan 05 00:51:28 Thankfully I have not encountered many 'issues' with the N900 that appear to be tied to hardware Jan 05 00:51:41 yea, every issue I've had has been software related Jan 05 00:51:42 its finally a phone that actually 1) has 900 Mhz UMTS support 2) is not retarded Jan 05 00:51:47 that alone is a seller for me :p Jan 05 00:51:58 see im bummed Jan 05 00:52:07 I willingly lost 3g to get the N900 Jan 05 00:52:28 who would think they would put tmobiles ridiculous frequency instead of the NATiONWIDE At&T freq Jan 05 00:52:51 ah, you got screwed on that, we dont have that problem in Finland :) Jan 05 00:53:01 yea, I know you jerk :) Jan 05 00:53:03 but its ok Jan 05 00:53:09 Im mostly always in wifi coverage Jan 05 00:53:14 and the N900 does wifi wonderfully Jan 05 00:53:15 * simula_ sticks to prepaid telephone and wifi Jan 05 00:53:16 Kamui: at&t uses the ridiculous frequency Jan 05 00:53:52 redeeman, if they changed it they'd lose the iPhone Jan 05 00:53:52 it uses standard us gsm frequency 1900mhz IIRC Jan 05 00:53:58 or 850, or both, Im not sure Jan 05 00:54:11 but the point is, its not an obscure frequency in the 1700mhz band Jan 05 00:54:13 oh wait, doesn't the iPhone support the t-mobile 3G too? Jan 05 00:54:14 that NOTHING else uses Jan 05 00:54:16 no Jan 05 00:54:18 it doenst Jan 05 00:54:29 Kamui: rest of the world doesn't use 850mhz Jan 05 00:54:30 iphone is 850/1900/2100 only for umts Jan 05 00:54:33 I know Jan 05 00:54:44 2100mhz was in use in the US when 3g gsm rolled out Jan 05 00:54:52 I believe its now only recently become a free band Jan 05 00:54:56 if thats the case Jan 05 00:55:02 I think its up for auction in 2012 Jan 05 00:55:34 I read about this in 08, so some of my facts might be slighly off Jan 05 00:55:38 mainly dates Jan 05 00:55:54 Kamui: No, you're mostly right Jan 05 00:56:11 anyway, I don't argue that it would have been nice had the US implemented 2100mhz for Umts Jan 05 00:56:20 I wouldn't have een locked out of enjoying an ASSLOAD of good devices Jan 05 00:56:30 my second favorite device of all time was the HTC Exec Jan 05 00:56:40 but I was unfortunate enough to get only GPRS on it Jan 05 00:56:48 no edge, only gprs and umts Jan 05 00:56:57 and umts was 2100mhz only on that beauty Jan 05 00:57:19 I can't get ad-hoc working *or* USB networking :( Jan 05 00:57:38 and unfortunately, if you didn't have the 3800mah battery that trippled its size, using wifi yielded about 2 hours of battery life Jan 05 00:57:46 AND wifi didn't stay connected of course when the phone slept Jan 05 00:57:50 but I digress Jan 05 00:58:04 I had to stand on the sidewalk outside a bar to check my mail today (yeah, I work in one of the main buildings of the largest ISP in the country but they don't have proper wifi...) Jan 05 00:58:10 the N900 is a masterpiece, Jan 05 00:58:22 eww, that sucks Jan 05 00:58:41 Much like all phones it doesn't seem to understand the concept of 'always try and reconnect' as it relates to IM transports Jan 05 00:58:42 at my office we use EAP-FAST for authentication Jan 05 00:58:48 no support on the N900 for eap-fast yet Jan 05 00:59:03 I had never heard of EAP-FAST :? Jan 05 00:59:05 just peap, and eap-tls iirc Jan 05 00:59:28 eap-fast is ciscos fast EAP authentication based on DC login credentials Jan 05 00:59:32 no token Jan 05 00:59:50 no certificate I meant Jan 05 01:00:03 the token is built from the DC to the eap controller Jan 05 01:00:15 third largest telecom companies in the world (just checked) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 05 01:02:38 2010 Jan 05 01:02:56 openarena is the way to go :) Jan 05 01:03:11 haven't tried ioquake3 yet, so thats not a very objective comment Jan 05 01:03:22 bah, I can't reliably influence the order in the icon view for the videos within the media player. Jan 05 01:03:24 well, I did have it up and running already Jan 05 01:04:26 Kamui, hmm.. openarena has the same issue Jan 05 01:04:50 what happens? Jan 05 01:20:33 oh, well Jan 05 01:20:43 whenever I try to use USB networking the n810 just reboots itself Jan 05 01:22:01 anyone have Mplayer working ont eh N900 Jan 05 01:22:08 yes Jan 05 01:22:10 tried the version in extras-devel Jan 05 01:22:14 but it freezes after 2 seconds Jan 05 01:22:20 try a different file Jan 05 01:22:28 I've been trying mytube Jan 05 01:22:42 ill try something manually Jan 05 01:22:48 wfm Jan 05 01:23:02 youtube may be too slow to stream Jan 05 01:23:38 anybody here use anything to reformat / indent C code? Jan 05 01:24:08 ah 'man indent' Jan 05 01:25:42 works Jan 05 01:25:47 but its quite a bit slow Jan 05 01:25:50 the audio is way behind the image Jan 05 01:26:03 probably just need to adjust some flags Jan 05 01:27:49 pupnik Jan 05 01:27:54 using a frontend? Jan 05 01:27:57 or just the terminal Jan 05 01:28:50 this is exasperating, I have no way of getting stuff into my N810, no card reader, no USB networking and no wifi ad-hoc :( Jan 05 01:29:27 angasule: bluetooth ? Jan 05 01:29:36 nope Jan 05 01:29:45 why not? Jan 05 01:30:08 I don't have any bluetooth devices? Jan 05 01:30:34 your 810 is your best equipped device then? Jan 05 01:30:51 it's the only one with bluetooth Jan 05 01:31:03 my laptop has wifi and USB, but I can't get either of those to play nice with the n810 Jan 05 01:31:24 I'm thinking the n810 is at fault in the ad-hoc case, but for USB, both are giving me attitude Jan 05 01:31:42 angasule, Jan 05 01:31:51 setup a new connection on the n810 Jan 05 01:31:59 make it adhoc unprotected Jan 05 01:32:02 Kamui: you are probably playing a file too heavy for mplayer Jan 05 01:32:24 so how do we get needed build-deps into sdk repoi? Jan 05 01:32:32 i keep building deps in scratchbox Jan 05 01:32:41 assign an ip address subnet and dns manually Jan 05 01:32:43 and that work isn't shared Jan 05 01:32:50 then connect to it from the n810 Jan 05 01:33:00 reboot your laptop Jan 05 01:33:05 lcuk: for some reason, the n810 insists my ad-hoc has WEP, if I set it up with WEP, it claims to connect correctly, but ifconfig says it has 100% TX errors Jan 05 01:33:07 and the new connection should be visible Jan 05 01:33:21 i use adhoc extensively Jan 05 01:33:26 this is the simplest route Jan 05 01:33:28 oh :? Jan 05 01:33:34 damn Jan 05 01:33:34 funky Jan 05 01:33:36 pupnik Jan 05 01:33:40 thats ok, the default player works fine Jan 05 01:33:40 you connect to the n810 itself? :? Jan 05 01:33:44 I just wanted to use mytube Jan 05 01:33:46 yes Jan 05 01:33:58 go to connect and the adhoc connection you created is listed Jan 05 01:33:59 thanks, I'll give that a try :D Jan 05 01:34:00 it plays the files perfectly strangely enough Jan 05 01:34:06 its an always available local based hotspot Jan 05 01:34:14 then, when you see it on your pc Jan 05 01:34:16 connect Jan 05 01:34:20 so, one question pupnik, how would I disable compositing when running a specifi app Jan 05 01:34:25 do you know Jan 05 01:34:29 it wont find ip addresses, but will create the correct type of connection profile Jan 05 01:34:42 edit that profile and fill in the required ip addresses and it should work nicely Jan 05 01:34:43 Kamui: the speed of the cpu is comparable to perhaps a 300 mhz pentium. If you have one of those, try playing videos on it. Jan 05 01:35:14 ive used this method to connect to other 8x0s, between my 8x0s and 900s and laptop and desktop machines Jan 05 01:35:18 the adhoc works well :) Jan 05 01:35:33 pupnik, Im playing a 480p version of robot chicken star wars special avi, I don't know what codec was used Jan 05 01:35:40 but it works perefectly with the built in player Jan 05 01:35:48 mplayer tells you all that when it plays Jan 05 01:36:05 and 480p is heavy stuff. Jan 05 01:37:12 mpeg4 Jan 05 01:37:13 The CPU is considerably better than a 300 MHz PII. Jan 05 01:37:39 hey, pupnik mightv meant a celeron 300a, that could run at 450mhz Jan 05 01:37:46 depends on what you are running. what would you compare it to Jan 05 01:38:00 celeron266 ran at 400-450 too :) (the l2-cacheless one :) Jan 05 01:38:02 its got a kickass graphics card this time round too Jan 05 01:38:02 500mhz p2? Jan 05 01:38:05 how about disabling compositing Jan 05 01:38:07 without a fan, just a heatsink Jan 05 01:38:07 CPU Jan 05 01:38:11 how is that done pupnik Jan 05 01:38:21 I want to try that with blender before I break the build with the wrapper Jan 05 01:38:30 Well, Theora ran at just about real-time for 720x480 on a 300 MHz PII. Jan 05 01:38:40 It's almost 2x real-time on the DSP. Jan 05 01:38:47 mplayer Nokia_N900.mp4 Jan 05 01:38:55 CPU Jan 05 01:39:03 And the ARM can just about do 720p (about 2.67x better). Jan 05 01:39:15 300MHz PII is the slowest x86 that can play DVDs in software Jan 05 01:39:17 hahaha Jan 05 01:39:37 right, and mplayer running only on CPU is roughly at 300mhz PentiumII Jan 05 01:39:48 lcuk: does that adhoc wifi approach work on the n900 too? Jan 05 01:40:06 that's fast. look at what a 300mhz PII sucks for power. Jan 05 01:40:11 fnordianslip, indeed it does Jan 05 01:40:24 whenever my router dies, i just "meh" and switch connection to adhoc Jan 05 01:40:31 lcuk: aah. interesting Jan 05 01:40:31 works great on a train or in hotel Jan 05 01:40:41 pupnik: yeah well it is over 10 year old technology Jan 05 01:40:46 cane the devices battery much? Jan 05 01:41:14 not noticably bad for me, and right now its even better Jan 05 01:41:33 cos ive changed where i build software now, cpou isnt running gcc all the time ;) Jan 05 01:42:02 normally when i need it, ive got usb lead available from laptop anyway Jan 05 01:42:06 so its not noticable Jan 05 01:43:26 thanks. cool tip Jan 05 01:43:47 btw, does avahi work now on the n900? Jan 05 01:45:04 dunno, think i saw an update, not sure tho Jan 05 01:47:06 cheers. it would be nice if that worked and the hosts used link local address assignments :) Jan 05 01:48:20 :D Jan 05 01:49:08 lcuk: thanks a bunch! you totally saved the day :D Jan 05 01:49:09 * lcuk waves @ another admirer Jan 05 01:49:25 * iluvulcuk waves back Jan 05 01:49:56 :D Jan 05 01:50:17 wicd failed to connect, no idea why, but I just connected manually, with the n810 as the beacon it was easy :D Jan 05 01:51:32 built: install-info_4.13a.dfsg.1-5_armel.deb texinfo_4.13a.dfsg.1-5_armel.deb Jan 05 01:51:45 indent_2.2.10-2_armel.deb Jan 05 01:52:27 pupnik, if i show you some code, could you try to decipher how to make indent make all code look the same Jan 05 01:52:41 ie to use the style i could show you Jan 05 01:52:45 i haven't learned how to use it yet :) Jan 05 01:56:18 so my picture problem is that "tracker" is indexing the folder the unwanted images are in? Jan 05 01:56:19 balls, the bottle of milk is frozen \@/ Jan 05 01:56:20 is appwatch 0.7 available at -devel? Jan 05 01:56:29 lcuk: i want tabs in the source. spaces are annoying Jan 05 01:56:56 i agree, but only if sizeof(tab) == 4*space Jan 05 01:57:20 yeah Jan 05 02:00:50 vi :set tabstop=4 Jan 05 02:01:19 the beauty of tabs is that you can set them to whatever you want :) Jan 05 02:01:45 I set mine to 0, it looks great! Jan 05 02:02:28 * angasule_ installs a bunch of stuff Jan 05 02:03:47 dangit unexpand isn't working for me either Jan 05 02:04:15 does OpenAL-Soft work on ARM? :? Jan 05 02:06:46 i know people have built it, but i haven't heard sound from it Jan 05 02:07:00 if you have a source tree for it that builds, please share, btw Jan 05 02:07:27 hmm, I don't, at all, I just did a package search Jan 05 02:08:01 I don know the developer, I was going to port my graphical (qt4) configuration utility of it, but not much point till it works :P Jan 05 02:08:07 so, I guess I need scratchpad Jan 05 02:09:31 nn Jan 05 02:10:03 angasule_: http://bundyo.com/things/libopenal1_1.10.622-1_armel.deb http://bundyo.com/things/libopenal-dev_1.10.622-1_armel.deb http://bundyo.com/things/libopenal1-dbg_1.10.622-1_armel.deb Jan 05 02:10:30 pupnik: but no sound from those? Jan 05 02:10:42 i don't know, i can't get the game to run atm Jan 05 02:10:51 does n810 use alsa? Jan 05 02:11:18 those are built for n900 btw Jan 05 02:11:45 oh, bummerous Jan 05 02:11:52 do you have an n810 or n900? Jan 05 02:13:12 I'm talking with the OpenAL-Soft developer on #openal , and passing the info :) Jan 05 02:15:14 pupnik.de/libopenal0a_0.0.8-4_armel.deb old build which should work on n810 if you force it Jan 05 02:17:22 hmm, that's the old Sample Implementation, I'd rather not use that :-) Jan 05 02:17:46 I'll work on getting a new alsoft version on the n810 Jan 05 02:18:42 hey Jan 05 02:18:48 how do I get tracker to reindex the phone Jan 05 02:18:50 so does the n810 use alsa? or oss? or something else? Jan 05 02:18:57 I added an exclusion, but the content is still in the index Jan 05 02:19:06 I need to clear the "private" folders I marked out Jan 05 02:19:14 anyone wanna buy an N810? Jan 05 02:19:21 how much? Jan 05 02:19:26 includes a 4GB microSD and a micro to mini adapter! Jan 05 02:19:28 will deleting the sqlite-db.pragmas file do it? Jan 05 02:19:29 say, 200? Jan 05 02:19:47 not a bad deal jx Jan 05 02:19:47 original case, stylus, new screen as of this year (old one got a crack in it) new battery Jan 05 02:19:57 even original box. Jan 05 02:20:08 and that plastic mount for your car Jan 05 02:20:10 How to check my n900's IMEI ? Jan 05 02:20:24 matthew-: under teh battery, or in Settings > About Jan 05 02:20:35 matthew-, go to about in settings Jan 05 02:21:26 yeah Jan 05 02:21:27 thanks Jan 05 02:21:29 np Jan 05 02:21:30 x x Jan 05 02:21:32 :) Jan 05 02:21:42 anyone else having a bad day? Jan 05 02:21:51 me Jan 05 02:21:57 Im figuring out a lot of shit the hard way Jan 05 02:21:58 me Jan 05 02:22:00 and it sucks Jan 05 02:22:06 yay sgtpuzzles Jan 05 02:22:32 I have to keep fucking up Kamui's things so he stops trying to do things the easy way and it's getting annoying. Jan 05 02:23:10 * Kamui slaps jX with a sock that has been stuffed with other socks Jan 05 02:23:16 oh noes! Jan 05 02:23:35 http://burntelectrons.org/media/onoz.gif Jan 05 02:23:40 i lost $483,000.30 today Jan 05 02:23:55 Kamui, i thought tracker was documented Jan 05 02:23:59 its part of gnome isnt it? Jan 05 02:23:59 that's funny, I found $483,000.30 today Jan 05 02:24:00 it is Jan 05 02:24:04 by the snack machine Jan 05 02:24:06 lcuk thats how I figured it out Jan 05 02:24:11 so does the documentation tell you how to reset its cache Jan 05 02:24:12 the hard way Jan 05 02:24:13 :) Jan 05 02:24:15 yea Jan 05 02:24:19 tracker-processes -r Jan 05 02:24:19 what? rtfm? Jan 05 02:24:23 "hard way" Jan 05 02:24:27 that clears and resets the cache Jan 05 02:24:28 matthew-: how'd you lose half a million bucks? Jan 05 02:24:33 lcuk, I dind't know it was a standard app Jan 05 02:24:39 jX: :-) Jan 05 02:24:40 me neither Jan 05 02:24:44 so I did a lot of googling, and finally discovered some documentation Jan 05 02:24:45 jX: im a trader Jan 05 02:24:47 well done on investigating it, did you solve it? Jan 05 02:24:49 which I read through Jan 05 02:24:53 ye Jan 05 02:24:53 s Jan 05 02:25:01 theres a bug report regarding this Jan 05 02:25:02 matthew-: To your friends or to your country? ;) Jan 05 02:25:03 .config/tracker/tracker.cfg Jan 05 02:25:08 matthew-: so you lost someone elses money :) Jan 05 02:25:10 where i queried whether it was possible to exclude Jan 05 02:25:18 matthew-: Find out what transceiver package the 900 uses? Jan 05 02:25:19 add to the exclude line, and then run that command to delete the caches Jan 05 02:25:24 :D Jan 05 02:25:25 its reindexing now Jan 05 02:25:29 yeah, i dunno how to reset cache though and was waiting till i next needed it Jan 05 02:25:32 jX: no, didnt go to the office today Jan 05 02:25:37 trader Jan 05 02:25:38 will go on thursday Jan 05 02:25:40 TRADER! Jan 05 02:25:52 This is treesun! Jan 05 02:25:55 lcuk, the good thing about it is that I don't dislike being self reliant, I just hate redoing something that Im sure a dozen people have already asked and answered Jan 05 02:25:58 somehow adding contacts is not producing any links to my desktop, argh.. Jan 05 02:26:05 and I suck, buecause it IS on talk.maemo.org Jan 05 02:26:10 its been asked Jan 05 02:26:10 *sigh* Jan 05 02:26:12 but not often Jan 05 02:26:17 pwnguin: well, yeah Jan 05 02:26:21 still my bonus ;-) Jan 05 02:26:25 psh Jan 05 02:26:50 and most of my clients is friends and family Jan 05 02:27:17 bad RIMM Jan 05 02:27:18 bad! Jan 05 02:27:44 if it makes you feel better, my porfolio is down 20 percent from last year Jan 05 02:28:44 if it makes you feel better, mine is 96% up since 24-01-2009 Jan 05 02:28:52 oh well thats cheating Jan 05 02:29:07 actually not much difference Jan 05 02:29:31 its small portfolio thou Jan 05 02:29:44 size is the enemy of return Jan 05 02:29:45 what's your guess for USD/EUR through jan-feb. Jan 05 02:29:56 pwnguin: i dont do Forex Jan 05 02:30:42 pwnguin: yeah Jan 05 02:30:43 usd/eur doesn't matter as much as usd/rmb and that's a political calculation Jan 05 02:30:51 i dont think ill go over 250m on one portfolio Jan 05 02:32:11 exposure that is Jan 05 02:32:39 * pwnguin just finished watching Shiller's Financial Markets lectures online yesterday Jan 05 02:32:58 quite interesting in a couple ways Jan 05 02:33:26 his guest speakers were kinda misleading Jan 05 02:33:35 ;] Jan 05 02:34:03 heh, apple lisa, ebay, $1300 Jan 05 02:34:10 one guy claims his 28 percent annual return for 10 years was about diversity Jan 05 02:34:45 but then he lets slip he shorted .coms in the crash and shorted housing this time Jan 05 02:35:02 he shorted both of those and he only made 28%? Jan 05 02:35:17 Diversity is the enemy of return just as much as size is. Jan 05 02:35:25 doc|home: 28 percent for ten years Jan 05 02:35:34 that's actually kinda lame Jan 05 02:35:38 Most people only have a handful of really good ideas. Jan 05 02:36:00 especially if you've the foresight to short two of the biggest bubbles in history Jan 05 02:36:12 doc|home: you dont understand Jan 05 02:36:12 derf: And Newton and Edison thought of them first. Jan 05 02:36:14 btw if you think apple designs are great... http://cgi.ebay.de/Apple-eMate-300-Apple-Newton-in-working-condition_W0QQitemZ290386706212QQcmdZViewItemQQptZKlassische_Computer?hash=item439c657f24 Jan 05 02:36:19 its not 28 percent those two year Jan 05 02:36:29 pwnguin: I understood that Jan 05 02:36:46 its 28 percent every year for ten, or perhaps 200 percent two years and average otherwise Jan 05 02:36:59 uhm .. i still wait to see many newton feature on todays devices :/ Jan 05 02:37:09 the newton clipboard was awesome Jan 05 02:37:12 It's almost 1,200% total. Jan 05 02:37:22 pwnguin: yeah, but the housing crash and dotcom bubbles were far greater Jan 05 02:37:29 -s Jan 05 02:37:40 doc|home: how the hell do you gain more than 100 percent from a short? Jan 05 02:37:48 in an endowment setting Jan 05 02:37:58 Options. Jan 05 02:38:38 anyways, im guessing his main tool is access to yale graduates Jan 05 02:39:22 another guest speaker mentioned how they took an airline private with a partner Jan 05 02:39:47 turns out a few months after that lecture was given their partner was arrested for running a ponzi scheme Jan 05 02:40:53 anyways, more important things are at hand Jan 05 02:41:08 why is extras-devel not working for me? Jan 05 02:41:23 "no hash entry in release file" Jan 05 02:48:58 argh. I renamed a file and the media player insists on showing the old name. It even still plays the video. Jan 05 02:49:27 how do I force a re-run of the meta-tracker? Jan 05 02:53:30 linux can detect filename changes, can't it. that should update tracker. Jan 05 02:53:44 but maybe there will someday be a package for us to get folder-based media player Jan 05 02:54:02 for people who can manage their own directories Jan 05 02:54:23 oh and whoever changed 'ls' to improperly sort my _files, die in a fire **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 05 02:59:56 2010