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Jan 05 03:00:57 <nomis> pupnik: yeah, I hate this "oh, who cares about directories"-approach.
Jan 05 03:01:09 <nomis> it already gets crowded with 32 videos.
Jan 05 03:02:08 <nomis> at least I managed to disable the always-changing-icon-depending-on-where-I-pause-the-video.
Jan 05 03:10:34 <pupnik> i find that kind of useful though
Jan 05 03:10:41 <pupnik> except when the icon breaks
Jan 05 03:18:21 <Kamui> have any copies of 1.1 test versions leaked?
Jan 05 03:18:28 <Kamui> I'd really like to see where its at right now
Jan 05 03:18:49 <Kamui> Im thinking about reflashing and starting over anyway, now that I know what I should do to prevent rootfs from filling up so easily
Jan 05 03:19:09 <GAN900> Kamui, first and only warning. :)
Jan 05 03:19:25 <GAN900> Kamui, do not solicite pre-release firmwares in this channel.
Jan 05 03:19:32 <Kamui> dude
Jan 05 03:19:35 <Kamui> Im sorry
Jan 05 03:19:38 <Kamui> I should have read the rules
Jan 05 03:19:43 <Kamui> my fault, done, and done.
Jan 05 03:20:10 <GAN900> Thanks. :)
Jan 05 03:20:45 <GAN900> Understand that Nokia is extending a lot of faith in the community by distributing prerelease firmware under no NDA
Jan 05 03:20:59 <doc|home> faith about ... ?
Jan 05 03:21:17 <GAN900> anything that jeopardizes that behavior in the future is undesireable. :)
Jan 05 03:21:25 <Kamui> I didn't think this community fw would be as big a secretive deal as apple, but I totally understand what you're saying
Jan 05 03:21:43 <GAN900> doc|home, not leaking it, not discussing the content with bloggers, etc.
Jan 05 03:22:03 <doc|home> GAN900: hmmm, why don't they just do it in the open?
Jan 05 03:22:11 <GAN900> Kamui, Apple doesn't distribute pre-release stuff not under NDAs. ;)
Jan 05 03:22:23 <doc|home> methinks the point of open source is being missed somewhat :/
Jan 05 03:22:29 <Kamui> they do to developers and its under NDAs
Jan 05 03:23:02 <pupnik> anybody try building QMMP?
Jan 05 03:23:05 <Kamui> betas are gettable by anyone but its not easy work, hardly an issue here anyway, I was just curious as to what to expect
Jan 05 03:23:21 <Kamui> im done with the iphone I think anyway, N900 is the way of my future ;
Jan 05 03:23:22 <Kamui> )
Jan 05 03:23:39 <GAN900> doc|home, a variety of reasons varying from third party stuff (Flash, etc.) to having dinosaurs and a lot inertia behind the current arrangement
Jan 05 03:24:04 <GAN900> doc|home, the open source stuff is nearly all available from git or svn
Jan 05 03:24:14 * doc|home nods
Jan 05 03:24:29 <GAN900> Kamui, we're working towards a more open-friendly arrangement
Jan 05 03:24:37 <GAN900> This is the first step
Jan 05 03:24:50 <GAN900> Unfortunately, big ships turn slow.
Jan 05 03:25:30 <Kamui> well, Im not crying, Q1 release is close enough, plus from all the talk, I feel like it will be this month
Jan 05 03:25:31 <Kamui> :)
Jan 05 03:26:09 <GAN900> But if we can demonstrate that this will benefit Nokia (i.e., point management at all the pretty bugs the prerelease testers have filed)
Jan 05 03:26:20 <Flandry-sleep> dbus, wherefore art thou
Jan 05 03:26:22 <GAN900> then we can work towards more in the future.
Jan 05 03:26:48 <Flandry-sleep> is there any dbus services listing for fremantle?
Jan 05 03:27:06 <Flandry-sleep> any introspection software i could use to discover same
Jan 05 03:27:20 <GAN900> Kamui, so the problem with leaks is that management may go, "Oh, well, all that got us was leaked pre-release software, bad press and troubled relations with our vendors"
Jan 05 03:27:41 <GAN900> Since they, by and large, don't really "get" open source.
Jan 05 03:28:15 <Kamui> yea, I see your point
Jan 05 03:28:29 <ljp> Flandry-sleep: I have used qdbus on the n900, but you'll need qt libs
Jan 05 03:28:36 <Kamui> it seems to me that a disclaimer and download for registered developers might better the situation
Jan 05 03:28:58 <Flandry> qdbus eh
Jan 05 03:29:14 <GAN900> Kamui, give it 6 months and we'll see where we are.
Jan 05 03:29:35 <GAN900> Kamui, how bugzilla savy are you?
Jan 05 03:29:38 <ljp> Flandry: but that doesnt get built by default when building Qt
Jan 05 03:29:40 <Flandry> it would be nice if nokia would publish a list of the interfaces for their proprietary stuff
Jan 05 03:30:11 <Flandry> ok it will have to be another day then, thanks
Jan 05 03:30:19 <Kamui> GAN900, well, Im in a good place right now, not too rough to wait it out
Jan 05 03:30:27 <ljp> there is always dbus-monitor :)
Jan 05 03:31:18 <GAN900> http://tinyurl.com/yey5upe
Jan 05 03:31:37 <GAN900> Rough list of most of the issues resolved in PR1.1
Jan 05 03:32:13 <GAN900> A few are 1.2
Jan 05 03:39:35 <Flandry> oh
Jan 05 03:39:52 <Flandry> dbus-monitor is cool, but i don't think it's going to get me what i need
Jan 05 03:40:42 <ljp> Flandry: if it's introspectable, then qdbus is easy to use
Jan 05 03:41:08 <Flandry> alright i'll check it out then, thanks
Jan 05 03:41:24 <papo> hrm
Jan 05 03:41:42 <papo> I'm not sure whether I should buy and apply that zagg shield
Jan 05 03:50:42 <Kamui> GAN900, really never use bugzilla, but I've used it a few times to report bugs in other apps.  Nothing I couldn't handle ;)
Jan 05 03:50:44 <pupnik> nice fixes!
Jan 05 03:51:13 <pupnik> try searching for bugs
Jan 05 03:53:18 <pupnik> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6100  yea just remove copy and paste from menu
Jan 05 03:53:20 <povbot`> Bug 6100: The menu item "copy" in the browser menu does not work
Jan 05 04:00:02 <Kamui> damn
Jan 05 04:00:08 <Kamui> first time im seeing the accelerometer bug
Jan 05 04:00:22 <Kamui> the eyes widget is randomly bouncing from down to up
Jan 05 04:00:30 <Kamui> and rotating the phone wont trigger the dialer
Jan 05 04:00:57 <Kamui> time for a cold boot
Jan 05 04:09:36 <GAN900> Kamui, wasn't sure if you knew your way around search enough to generate that list.
Jan 05 04:13:55 <mfinkle> GAN900: have you tried installing fennec on an n900?
Jan 05 04:14:16 <GAN900> mfinkle, not since the earlu betas.
Jan 05 04:14:32 <mfinkle> we had some reports that the deb was not installing into /opt and wanted to know if anyone was saw it too
Jan 05 04:14:34 <GAN900> s/earlu/early/
Jan 05 04:14:34 <infobot> GAN900 meant: mfinkle, not since the early betas.
Jan 05 04:15:38 <GAN900> mfinkle, installing now. . . .
Jan 05 04:17:07 <`0660> what's the quickest way to type ä and ö in n900 with us layout?
Jan 05 04:17:33 <`0660> or do i just need to enable the virtual keyboard somehow...
Jan 05 04:18:46 <GAN900> Fn-Sym
Jan 05 04:19:28 <GAN900> mfinkle, appears to be installing properly to /opt
Jan 05 04:20:45 <Flandry> omg there's a goto in this source
Jan 05 04:21:45 <`0660> thanks!
Jan 05 04:22:08 <Kamui> that, GAN900, is a HUGE list
Jan 05 04:22:22 <Kamui> the next firmware release is going to be insanely clean
Jan 05 04:23:05 <mfinkle> GAN900: thanks for checking
Jan 05 04:33:34 <luke-jr> Flandry: goto still is sometimes the best way to do things, even if rare :p
Jan 05 04:33:41 <luke-jr> comes with the language being functional
Jan 05 04:42:14 <KamuiN900> lcuk
Jan 05 04:42:51 <KamuiN900> rebooted the phone
Jan 05 04:42:51 <KamuiN900> works again
Jan 05 04:43:22 <lcuk> could you post a followup vid showing that
Jan 05 04:46:27 * lucent blinks
Jan 05 04:46:52 <lucent> I wonder, would Ovi Store arrive with the new firmware for N900?
Jan 05 04:47:00 <lucent> is one holding up the release of the other?
Jan 05 04:54:51 <Arkenoi> http://www.loopinsight.com/2010/01/04/device-turns-iphone-ipod-touch-into-universal-remote/ haha losers
Jan 05 04:56:54 <lucent> Arkenoi: does the IR from N900 transmit 30ft or better?
Jan 05 05:06:19 <matthew-> Arkenoi: why? can u use n900 as a remote ?
Jan 05 05:07:25 <Arkenoi> lucent: i guess CIR should do, though i tried close range only
Jan 05 05:07:29 <Arkenoi> matthew-, yes
Jan 05 05:07:38 <matthew-> Arkenoi: What app?
Jan 05 05:07:57 <|R> I wish i was able to record my remote in a coherent manner to add support for it :/
Jan 05 05:08:08 <Arkenoi> the problem is predefined remote database is quite limited but i successfully tried it with my old VCR (yes, i still own a VCR)
Jan 05 05:08:12 <Arkenoi> qtirreco
Jan 05 05:08:15 <matthew-> ah
Jan 05 05:08:33 <Arkenoi> it is not known yet if recording part is possible on n900
Jan 05 05:08:34 <matthew-> Arkenoi: devel or test?
Jan 05 05:08:43 <Arkenoi> can't remember exactly
Jan 05 05:08:54 <|R> Arkenoi: well i thought it was not, but i was recording with a laptop...
Jan 05 05:09:08 <|R> In any case, i'm getting different result every time, go figure :(
Jan 05 05:09:08 <matthew-> my battery is pissing me off ! :D
Jan 05 05:11:33 <matthew-> geez, i love the n900 :<
Jan 05 05:11:46 <matthew-> i think they created a fanboi when i got it :D
Jan 05 05:12:38 <matthew-> and, my other idea is to get another one and install openbsd/netbsd on it
Jan 05 05:15:03 <|R> haha, good luck :)
Jan 05 05:20:59 <Arkenoi> |R, you do recording with generic IRDA?
Jan 05 05:28:57 <Kamui> Arkenoi, what range do you get
Jan 05 05:29:04 <Kamui> I've always wondered hwo well that worked...
Jan 05 05:30:12 <Kamui> nothing, including my old ass quasar vcr worked
Jan 05 05:30:28 <Kamui> and unforunately it doesn't appear that the app will let you record from another remote :(
Jan 05 05:30:47 <Arkenoi> kamui: never tried more than a few meters. yep, it does not yet :-(
Jan 05 05:32:34 <|R> Arkenoi: yeah, well, found a guide explaining how to do it... but the output is awkward
Jan 05 05:32:47 <Kamui> share
Jan 05 05:32:49 <Kamui> your link
Jan 05 05:33:42 <|R> give me a sec, i have to find the forum post :)
Jan 05 05:33:56 <|R> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=430484&postcount=43
Jan 05 05:34:56 <konfoo> !!!!
Jan 05 05:50:14 <pupnik> audacity is a flaming POS
Jan 05 05:50:30 <siriusnova> yeah so i just reflashed my N900
Jan 05 05:50:45 <siriusnova> but its the same pos crap firmware that came with release since Nokia refuses to release an update
Jan 05 05:50:46 <siriusnova> >:|
Jan 05 05:50:47 <Kamui> pupnik
Jan 05 05:50:53 <Kamui> did you ever rebuild gemrb for the N900?
Jan 05 05:50:58 <Kamui> wondering if that port works
Jan 05 05:52:57 <pupnik> i didn't, bundyo did.  it's complaining about missing files on my device
Jan 05 05:53:10 <pupnik> so i might need to re-install the game
Jan 05 05:53:19 <Kamui> the deb installs ok?
Jan 05 05:53:23 <Kamui> has it been optified?
Jan 05 05:53:29 <pupnik> sure, but you will need to config.  yes, mostly
Jan 05 05:53:30 <Kamui> and are we talking about 0.6 ddeb?
Jan 05 05:53:39 <pupnik> yes
Jan 05 05:53:42 <pupnik> and n900
Jan 05 05:53:42 <Kamui> sweet
Jan 05 05:54:17 <pupnik> i am working on something more my size ;)
Jan 05 05:54:23 <Kamui> :)
Jan 05 05:55:18 <cehteh> mhm
Jan 05 05:57:15 <pupnik> cehteh: do you know how to make audacity not generate 800kB of .wav file metadata for every 10kB sample
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