**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 15 22:39:35 2010 Jan 15 22:41:01 shotgunned isdn modems Jan 15 22:41:01 hahaha reminded me of my highschool days Jan 15 22:41:02 whats the screen res? Jan 15 22:41:02 800 × 480, thanks Jan 15 22:41:02 wvga ftw Jan 15 22:41:05 hmm, wesnoth starts Jan 15 22:41:05 fairly quick as well Jan 15 22:41:05 would have been nice had it been wvga at 3.7" Jan 15 22:41:06 <[Tycho]> Fans are evil :) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 15 22:50:31 2010 Jan 15 22:52:32 hi all, how may I debug this network issue? Jan 15 22:52:58 jesus Jan 15 22:53:49 I can connect to an access point , I see the dhcp requested coming in, yet after establishing connection -I can't ping the gateway Jan 15 22:53:49 other clients work fine Jan 15 22:54:33 ah ty Jan 15 22:54:33 i thought that was the end of your question Jan 15 22:55:02 How large was the PR1.1 testicle team? Jan 15 22:55:02 err - tester team Jan 15 22:55:22 network too laggy Jan 15 22:55:45 cityOfLights: add your deviced MAC address to the router mayb Jan 15 22:55:45 device* Jan 15 22:56:23 ifreq: It is all under my control Jan 15 22:56:57 ifreq: N900 does get an IP address from dhcp server - I see the dhcp answering it Jan 15 22:58:05 hmm Jan 15 22:58:05 http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/proposed_talk_forum_redesign_for_2010/ Jan 15 22:58:06 Would 'Add a nntp-tmo gateway, so users can use client of their choice with its own filtering algorithms' be silly. Jan 15 23:01:47 cityOfLights: okay, try to add dns servers manually? or maybe ip too.. +gw Jan 15 23:02:10 cityOfLights, maybe you have twice the same ip on your network? Jan 15 23:03:00 Luser: well from dhcp its hardly possible. Jan 15 23:04:29 ifreq, unless some machines are used fixed ip within the dhcp range.. Jan 15 23:06:17 s/used/using/ Jan 15 23:06:17 hm, did anybody with accounts-plugin-haze installed and an icq account set up do the backup-reflash-restore cycle? my icq account is still there, but all its settings are empty (including password and the username, which is impossible to change) Jan 15 23:06:22 Luser meant: ifreq, unless some machines are using fixed ip within the dhcp range.. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 15 23:09:17 2010 Jan 15 23:16:11 did the autobuilder fall over again? Jan 15 23:17:54 Flandry: do you get why the Brainstorm Open Discussion was moved to Brainstorm? Jan 15 23:23:46 ifreq: no other client uses this IP address, cause I know all the clients Jan 15 23:24:42 hi guys.. is it possible to install Carman on maemo 5 ? Jan 15 23:24:46 ifreq: tried to change the IP address and th N900 took the new address - still it can't ping the gateway Jan 15 23:24:46 route -n shows the right data Jan 15 23:24:46 very odd Jan 15 23:25:11 chem|st: No, who moved it? Jan 15 23:25:19 Oh joy. Jan 15 23:26:24 why the hell isn't the cia going around killing freenode DDOS'ers Jan 15 23:26:49 is upgrade good? what's good and what's fail? Jan 15 23:27:45 pupnik: lol Jan 15 23:36:24 hmm, is there a hack to make the file open dialog more usable, i.e. showing also ~? Jan 15 23:36:25 I see the dhcp queries: DHCPDISCOVER and DHCPOFFER to the N900 Jan 15 23:36:25 yet it sometimes doesnt take the address Jan 15 23:36:43 but even after afew lines m it does take it, and I see the route -n on the N900 updated Jan 15 23:36:43 yet it can't ping the gateway Jan 15 23:38:13 cityOfLights, and does "arp -an" show the mac of your router? Jan 15 23:41:18 cityOfLights: and try turning off powersavings Jan 15 23:44:23 Luser: yes Jan 15 23:44:23 Luser: the router is a box with ethernet and wifi Jan 15 23:44:36 I connected the router to a linux gateway, running dhcp and connected to the router using ethernet Jan 15 23:44:54 so my linux gateway is handling dhcp and NAT Jan 15 23:46:57 is anybody using vgb? it doesnt show my GB files in the file open dialog Jan 15 23:47:08 asj_: wow! it works! Jan 15 23:47:08 asj_: why? what? bug? Jan 15 23:47:25 RST38h: any idea? the file size is a multiple of 512 Jan 15 23:48:16 Hi! anybody able to do a restore of data with the actual pcsuite over usb? Jan 15 23:49:20 i think maemo.org website sucks Jan 15 23:49:50 is that so Jan 15 23:50:21 for what reason? Jan 15 23:50:57 it's slow, the user forum is not organised, etc Jan 15 23:51:09 every reason. Jan 15 23:51:30 heh Jan 15 23:51:47 yeh and the fix is to make it better, rit Jan 15 23:51:48 e Jan 15 23:52:35 i am now almost decided about ordering a Nokia N900 in the next few days, i hope my experience will be good and i wish i will have some money left to eat Jan 15 23:53:14 and go to school Jan 15 23:53:24 can u install mplayer after the upgrade? Jan 15 23:54:13 so amazon is the best place to order from for people in canada? Jan 15 23:54:13 could you do it better? Jan 15 23:54:13 if so why not volunteering? Jan 15 23:54:13 if it bugs you so much. Jan 15 23:54:14 Actually yes. Jan 15 23:54:14 apt-get nntpd Jan 15 23:54:14 err Jan 15 23:54:14 innd Jan 15 23:56:58 user_abc: yes, i did Jan 15 23:58:29 i never bought anything from amazon, i usually buy from ncix but they sell the N900 for 900$ that's ridiculous Jan 15 23:59:02 <__ibz> does anyone here run mutt on the n900, or do you do ssh+mutt instead? Jan 15 23:59:05 anyone got a link confirming that portrait mode is coming, just want to shut some twat up on a forum who is whinging that the n900 is sh1t because he can't send a one handed sms (while he tugs over his iphone with his other hand) Jan 15 23:59:07 if mplayer doesn't work, i have a case full of frozen fish Jan 15 23:59:16 does anyone run pluthon on amd64? Jan 15 23:59:18 Guest21975, don't feed the trolls... Jan 15 23:59:18 pupnik: What sort of fish? Jan 15 23:59:18 pupnik: and is it smoked? Jan 15 23:59:20 lol Jan 15 23:59:20 barfoos: u have mplayer installed or u did a restore? Jan 15 23:59:24 to slap someone with Jan 15 23:59:36 wow, whats up with freenode lately? Jan 15 23:59:36 user_abc: i installed it after the last maemo upgrade Jan 15 23:59:42 SpeedEvil: dunno, it's just sitting there in the freezer, still dead Jan 15 23:59:54 cb22: It's returning to its ground state of being splitty. Jan 15 23:59:59 Quick - excite it! Jan 16 00:02:16 barfoos: k k so i should go and check my apt sources Jan 16 00:02:21 * pupnik does a lapdance for the fish Jan 16 00:02:21 $900...... Jan 16 00:02:21 SpeedEvil, ah, a science joke... according to our government here, i dont know enough about science to understand that... Jan 16 00:02:21 sweet, gtalk video Jan 16 00:02:21 fredrin_, yeah, now we just need a sorted front camera Jan 16 00:02:57 what we all upto this evening ? Jan 16 00:03:02 the n900 should have a virtual cam, where you chan choose the feed, video, image, text, screen, what ever Jan 16 00:03:18 i dont see that being too hard to do... what with gstreamer and all Jan 16 00:03:19 like manycams on windows Jan 16 00:03:42 uhsf amazon.de has it for 826.50 USD or 850 CAD Jan 16 00:04:13 there is a virtual webcam v4l thingy for linux Jan 16 00:04:15 I forget the name Jan 16 00:04:16 fredrin_, heck http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-base-plugins/html/gst-plugins-base-plugins-textoverlay.html should be able to do it right now Jan 16 00:05:11 i know somebody that made an app for linux, http://sourceforge.net/projects/webcamstudio/ but waaaaay to bloated and java Jan 16 00:05:20 http://www.amazon.co.uk/GreyMobiles-Clear-Crystal-Skin-Nokia/dp/B002UFL142/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1263600280&sr=8-3 cool n900 case... Jan 16 00:05:28 sooo.... would it be true to say that nobody from Nokia/Maemo has officially confirmed that portrait mode is coming in future? or is this just speculation? Jan 16 00:06:53 finding links to such a comment - assuming it exists - is proving difficult... Jan 16 00:06:58 it's a shortcut Jan 16 00:06:59 ctrl+alt+O or something Jan 16 00:07:00 dont have a n900 yet, so not tried Jan 16 00:07:00 ctrl+shift+o Jan 16 00:07:00 no, i mean proper portrait for all apps not the easter egg Jan 16 00:07:09 not all apps Jan 16 00:07:15 depends on the app Jan 16 00:07:32 but no reason it couldn't be put into any new app Jan 16 00:07:38 noo Jan 16 00:07:41 more work maybe Jan 16 00:07:53 always a minus Jan 16 00:07:57 ok maybe not all, but more than we have right now (and not just browser) Jan 16 00:07:57 :D Jan 16 00:08:06 but I'm liking the landscape mode Jan 16 00:08:07 and phone Jan 16 00:08:23 Guest21975: which apps? Jan 16 00:08:33 ml-n900: i know, but some divs coming to the n900 can't seem to grasp it and hanker for portrait mode just like their old phone Jan 16 00:08:59 any progress with video calls on n900? Jan 16 00:09:01 it would help sell them, but to people who maybe won't be happy with them Jan 16 00:09:09 they should make apps work in both modes imho Jan 16 00:09:14 :D Jan 16 00:09:17 lazy dev bastards Jan 16 00:09:18 they is us Jan 16 00:09:19 :P Jan 16 00:09:29 fredrin: i don't know. there's is a beliefe, not sure where I read it, that portrait mode support has been promised for a future update. i seem to recall it was supposed to come before christmas 2009 Jan 16 00:09:44 the PHONE works in portrait mode. Jan 16 00:09:46 OK Jan 16 00:09:50 Guest21975: update PR1.1 is out Jan 16 00:10:01 The RADIO does not Jan 16 00:10:06 The CAMERA does not Jan 16 00:10:15 The camera does Jan 16 00:10:16 it's like people asking if they can write apps for maemo in visual studio, you can but you will fail to understand your target. Jan 16 00:10:18 that is fail Jan 16 00:10:24 you are fail Jan 16 00:10:44 as i say, dont have a n900 yet, will be getting it soon, got the money just waiting for delivery Jan 16 00:10:48 pupnik: maybe Jan 16 00:10:51 :P Jan 16 00:10:52 ml-N900 thanks for a more cogent response Jan 16 00:11:18 yep i know pr1.1 is out. i'm talking about this alleged comment from nokia - does anyone have a link Jan 16 00:13:14 Guest21975: it's your claim, lol Jan 16 00:13:15 SpeedEvil: please explain how camera app rotates Jan 16 00:13:15 err by the way I'm milhouse my nick has been stuffed up by all the splits and disconnects Jan 16 00:13:16 pupnik: Oh - my mistake - the camera app tags pictures according to accellerometer. Jan 16 00:13:16 see, now milhouse knows how to really whine about things Jan 16 00:13:16 fredrin - not my claim, it's been posted on the web otherwise i wouldn't have read it in various places. just wondered if anyone knew the source Jan 16 00:13:16 hi :) Jan 16 00:13:16 pupnik: fcking right Jan 16 00:13:17 :) Jan 16 00:13:17 lol Jan 16 00:13:18 pupnik: but i just want to bitch slap some whiny iphone fanboi first :) Jan 16 00:13:29 they are easy to catch Jan 16 00:13:34 can i haz kill iPhone app? Jan 16 00:14:42 with some bluetooth/wifi/sms/mms searching/sending, insert mallicous code... Jan 16 00:14:58 apple does make stylish products Jan 16 00:15:23 and boring Jan 16 00:16:19 lol stylish Jan 16 00:16:45 but they reduce the user interface to almost nothing. Jan 16 00:16:46 braincontroll next from apple Jan 16 00:17:03 so, who are the top 5 people doing game ports now Jan 16 00:17:21 and emus. i'd say rst38h, flandry, ukki, javispedro, and ...? Jan 16 00:17:38 Load average: 13.73 11.48 8. Jan 16 00:17:43 almost nothing? Like the great gnomish purges? Jan 16 00:19:25 minimalistic tends to be usable and fast Jan 16 00:21:04 pupnik, mikkov. Jan 16 00:21:13 just managed to cause infinite reboot irrecoverable on Pr1.1. By simply trying to move the location widget from one desktop to another Jan 16 00:21:30 ah wormux Jan 16 00:21:37 Among others. Jan 16 00:21:52 ahhh nice battlegweled too Jan 16 00:22:12 this should go into a post Jan 16 00:22:28 red, as long as it does what you want :) Jan 16 00:22:29 DocScrutinizer-8: lol, fail Jan 16 00:22:34 DocScrutinizer-8: thats not nice Jan 16 00:22:46 DocScrutinizer-8: had you done anything odd? Jan 16 00:22:57 most likely Jan 16 00:23:00 :P Jan 16 00:23:24 DocScrutinizer-8, cannot reproduce. ;) Jan 16 00:23:26 ShadowJK_: indeed. apple got the style down 10/10 but ill give only 1 point from customization :p Jan 16 00:23:33 would anybody know if sshd is up and receptive for loging in to that friggin system, while pin query is shown? Jan 16 00:23:53 SpeedEvil: Of course not! Jan 16 00:24:08 i smell reflash Jan 16 00:24:16 noooooooo! Jan 16 00:24:45 pretend it's a Neo Freerunner Jan 16 00:24:56 red, like that horror example of making the minimalist print dialog that always assumes and mandates A4 size paper ;-) Jan 16 00:25:12 I even can open the systry dropdown. alas ~5sec later screen turns black and led turns white -> reboot Jan 16 00:25:49 just talking bout iphone Jan 16 00:26:14 everything pc related is horrid for my liking Jan 16 00:27:21 * DocScrutinizer-8 assumes it's the location widget itself that, on getting rebdered to screen and thus started, somehow kills the system Jan 16 00:27:25 DocScrutinizer-8: is it possible to mount it over usb and edit config files? Jan 16 00:27:38 hi. what source do i need for mplayer? i have only thr gui in my application catalouge Jan 16 00:27:40 fredrin_: not afaik Jan 16 00:27:52 what does package maemo-launcher do Jan 16 00:28:14 /home/user not exposed via usb Jan 16 00:28:48 fredrin_: I hope to be able to ssh login Jan 16 00:29:02 yeah, that would be easiest i guess Jan 16 00:29:18 while stopping the normal crankup of graphical desktop Jan 16 00:29:30 but what's plan B? Jan 16 00:29:37 reflash? Jan 16 00:29:46 :( Jan 16 00:29:55 man I'm suppose to be a Bug-Squasher, and I had this n900 since 24th of December, and zero bugs findings Jan 16 00:30:02 give kayboard shortcut to kill gui :) Jan 16 00:30:06 its fun enough playing tho :) Jan 16 00:30:14 or send in to Nokia for repair ;-) Jan 16 00:30:26 heh Jan 16 00:31:11 maybe next week, I'll start trying to actually re-pro bugs or something Jan 16 00:32:41 hmm Jan 16 00:32:42 I got this pretty good camera case for the n900... really nice, hang keys from etc... any skins available that anyone has experience with? Jan 16 00:33:05 nobody polite and willing to confirm you can ssh in during PIN query? please... Jan 16 00:33:22 I have a not-great ebay cheap clear case Jan 16 00:33:24 what port does butterfly use? my account gets disconnected at home wifi Jan 16 00:33:29 due nat Jan 16 00:34:40 cool, SpeedEvil I suppose evenutally the cases with make their way onto a market Jan 16 00:35:09 there is an accessories page off the main n900 page on the wiki Jan 16 00:35:13 ~accessories Jan 16 00:35:34 ~satan Jan 16 00:35:35 i guess satan is in a7r's pants Jan 16 00:36:02 slipin/out safe case, with a magnet to hold it closed is what I have, hand has like 'fake' mountain climber hook on it... good for keys Jan 16 00:36:07 DocScrutinizer-8: testing... Jan 16 00:37:08 not here Jan 16 00:37:08 SpeedEvil: well was just wondering... this camera case works well, 10 backs at (freds, like everything store, in the electronics dept) Jan 16 00:37:29 10 dollars. Jan 16 00:38:02 you might add it to the wiki - ideally with some pictures. Jan 16 00:38:10 and where you got it. Jan 16 00:38:20 there is a nice custom case on amazon.co.uk Jan 16 00:38:27 ports open Jan 16 00:38:30 SpeedEvil: I could do that... Jan 16 00:38:40 hi pupnik Jan 16 00:38:46 hi Jan 16 00:39:28 pupnik: 'not here' means no ssh? Jan 16 00:39:45 couldn't ping device even Jan 16 00:39:46 SpeedEvil: its a "Lowepro" case, at a department store (probably anywhere, but could make some pix for u) Jan 16 00:40:21 pupnik: OMG. thanks nevertheless Jan 16 00:40:25 dunno. Jan 16 00:40:39 now perhaps it would help if i told you i don't autoconnect to network Jan 16 00:40:49 It can be good to have pics - if yuore looking to buy online Jan 16 00:40:57 over usb-net? Jan 16 00:41:06 wifi doesn't come up till the GUI Jan 16 00:41:24 well, once during the 30 boots I even managed to get a weird borked microb window that also stopped the reboot prozess Jan 16 00:41:26 yeah, as indicated even when autoconnecting, by the wifi icon Jan 16 00:41:29 http://www.openshareicons.com/ <-- is there any evidence this is needed? Jan 16 00:41:50 anyone know if the battery drain issue has been acknowledged by nokia yet Jan 16 00:41:55 Im really bummed I upgraded Jan 16 00:42:07 shinkamui: what battery drain issue? Jan 16 00:42:12 I see none. Jan 16 00:42:13 "unable to connect to one or more accounts" and butterfly in error stage yet again. and i opened tcp and udp for the port it uses Jan 16 00:42:14 so the question behind DocScrutinizer-8's question is, perhaps we could start openssh daemon somewhere earlier in the boot process to help with broken devices... Jan 16 00:42:16 SpeedEvil: sure over usbnet Jan 16 00:42:24 after 1.01 my battery life dropped almost 30% Jan 16 00:42:24 SpeedEvil: actually found it .. at: http://products.lowepro.com/product/Tasca-20,2099,25.htm Jan 16 00:42:29 it just errors upon 3g to wifi swap Jan 16 00:42:37 pupnik: that 'early boot' thing witht ee keyb slide open would be a great place Jan 16 00:42:42 and even if i go back to 3g it wont connect Jan 16 00:42:46 pupnik: ack. if your finding holds true Jan 16 00:42:56 SpeedEvil: there is also a Tasca-30 (I THINK I have the 20, one is wider) Jan 16 00:43:04 shinkamui: what's the life now? Jan 16 00:43:44 from 8 work hours mostly idle, a little use, I was at 50-60% now after 8 hours with no use im in the red. Jan 16 00:43:48 Stskeeps: was it just me or have you banned me on #mer? Jan 16 00:43:51 reboot -> Jan 16 00:44:18 and by a little use I would respond to xmpp messages, 30-40 Jan 16 00:44:25 today I didn't answer a single message Jan 16 00:44:32 SpeedEvil: I also use a 'camera hook?' that goes to the lander (sp) on the nokia.. hooks to the other end of the keychain, so the case dangles when using it, but A> its something to grab onto, B> its a light case, soft.. Jan 16 00:44:50 camera spring+hook Jan 16 00:45:01 shinkamui: have you got any thing that may access the net over 3G running? Jan 16 00:45:21 what good is the release of aircrack-ng if you can capture packets? Jan 16 00:45:28 SpeedEvil, I don't have 3g, only on gsm, I do have wifi, and I have the xmpp IM connected not using pidgin or xchat Jan 16 00:45:33 rabbitear, how dose it fit in that lowepro? thats one that i was looking at Jan 16 00:45:49 shinkamui: chat protocols have shitloads of hidden traffic. If you handled all that over UMTS then your findings are quite normal Jan 16 00:46:02 shinkamui: does top (over ssh) show any non-idle processes? Jan 16 00:46:02 shinkamui: is it set to 2.5 then? Jan 16 00:46:14 shinkamui: If so - may be woreth looking at stracing them Jan 16 00:46:37 DocScrutinizer-8, GSM and wifi. Wouldn't argue with you except that Im running the same config, other than possibly a new update to the protocol which might have made it heavier Jan 16 00:47:04 SpeedEvil, Ill check, my phone was dead by the time I got home, so its off and charging now Jan 16 00:47:30 DangerMaus: it could be the Tasca 30 that I have, not sure, it doesn't say -- I don't have the packaging anymore, but its same size as say an ipod Jan 16 00:47:37 wifi should last for days Jan 16 00:47:38 DangerMaus: or iphone .. Jan 16 00:47:40 pwnguin, yep Jan 16 00:47:41 2.5 Jan 16 00:47:55 k k Jan 16 00:48:07 DangerMaus: I bought it, In the store, so I just opened the case, and see if it fit :) Jan 16 00:48:20 can some one please run "tracker-status" and tell me if that SIGSEGV for you? thanks Jan 16 00:48:22 yepyep Jan 16 00:49:03 could someone talk me thru the procedure to ssh to N900 via usb? never did that before Jan 16 00:49:12 so missing IP etc Jan 16 00:49:16 also how do you get core dumps? I have ulimit -c unlimited set Jan 16 00:49:54 DangerMaus: the magnet is cool --- reality its not a hard case, so still possible to crush the screen, but better then no case .. *shurgs* Jan 16 00:50:08 DangerMaus: camera shops... Jan 16 00:51:04 yepyep that whats ive been looking at in compact digicam puches and cases Jan 16 00:51:34 since the 3rd of dec havent found muchin stores Jan 16 00:51:55 speedevil Jan 16 00:51:55 DangerMaus: well, who wants to zipper anything all the time, this makes the magnet nice... Jan 16 00:51:56 ordered a few lowepro and tamerac pouches havent got them yet Jan 16 00:51:57 got my phone up Jan 16 00:53:05 what you kill it? Jan 16 00:53:43 DangerMaus: I just didn't do any research, just thought and got lucky.. <--fast shopper in a store .. just saying not-un-happy about it (hehe, okay I'll be quiet about the case:) Jan 16 00:54:17 god i cant stand going itto B&M stores Jan 16 00:56:32 I don't like shopping unless they have cool couches or lawn stuff to sit in for awhile Jan 16 00:56:33 hmm, has haze been removed from repo? Jan 16 00:58:33 http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31nFVeXtaaL._SS400_.jpg << nice case for n900 Jan 16 00:59:06 'Greymobiles Clear Crystal Skin' Jan 16 00:59:15 i wonder how much it would cost to just replace the damn housing Jan 16 00:59:24 2.49 GBP Jan 16 00:59:57 can someone deal with that tool OrangeBox? Jan 16 01:03:00 hmm the N900 backup seems to jumble up into settings.zip both system-wide settings and user settings from /home/user Jan 16 01:03:14 this is a pain if you only wish to restore setting due to a re-flash Jan 16 01:03:27 sounds like it Jan 16 01:03:45 Someone else reported some funny shit with backup asking, repeatedly, whether to replace file Jan 16 01:03:49 did you encounter that? Jan 16 01:03:54 stskeeps - it looks like the gtk-theme-name in gtkrc just needs to be different Jan 16 01:04:10 worldcity uses "World City" Jan 16 01:04:14 not during a backup all went well then Jan 16 01:04:15 pupnik: yes, but you never know, until you touch it, use it etc.. Jan 16 01:04:31 Can anyone recall what happened to the maemo page that listed the different versions of python libraries installed for diablo and fremantle? Jan 16 01:06:05 odin_, I meant during restore Jan 16 01:06:28 pupnik: I think I have that one - it's OK - it could be a hair tighter - and the finish is poor. Jan 16 01:06:54 ShadowJK_, Ive not attempted a restore yet Jan 16 01:07:23 ShadowJK_, as I didn't know exactly what stuff was where (i.e. what does "Settings" section really mean) Jan 16 01:07:56 my mom has a really nice iphone case, that is semi-soft, but the iphone is simpler contruct.. Jan 16 01:08:46 SpeedEvil: for 3 euro i wouldn't look too closely at the finish Jan 16 01:09:35 pupnik: feel :// Jan 16 01:09:58 yeah well thanks for the info. some people might have been disappointed. Jan 16 01:09:58 odin_, if you think the behaviour is wrong, you should file a bug report. Jan 16 01:10:22 so s/nice/cheap Jan 16 01:10:27 well the case that she has, she can drop it, and it will absorb some shock Jan 16 01:10:31 pupnik: a few moments with some sandpaper resolves many of the issues Jan 16 01:11:01 odin_, Let's be realistic, if a cleverer way is found, it wont likely be included in a future Maemo 5 upgrade, and probably not Maemo 6 either, but when we get Maemo 7 and the direct eye implant screen, it'll work perfectly :) Jan 16 01:11:14 pupnik: I don't wanna auger with you, but I'd get a case to protect the more expensive device.... Jan 16 01:12:06 <-- poor at spelling, anywayz.. Jan 16 01:12:49 * SpeedEvil is good at augering. Jan 16 01:12:55 * SpeedEvil has a petrol-powered auger. Jan 16 01:14:02 I got a restore of Settings and Application list as "incomplete" Jan 16 01:14:14 no access to no log or nuffin Jan 16 01:14:14 ya what SpeedEvil said Jan 16 01:14:20 rabbitear: unfortunately i've already verified the n900's durability and i have to say, "wow". Jan 16 01:14:34 I've thrown mine across the room. Jan 16 01:14:42 The above case is slippery. Jan 16 01:14:56 pupnik: my keys would scratch it up evenually, --- I always liked to put the cell on the keys Jan 16 01:15:43 somepeople thing its easier to keep track of 3 things.. Jan 16 01:16:03 i've worn through the raised bars on 'f' and 'j' keys with my sandpaper thumbs already Jan 16 01:17:22 those keys are okay, I guess, ... there could always be the onscreen keyboard :/ Jan 16 01:17:44 evenually all things do actually brake ... :/ Jan 16 01:18:34 usb 1-1: Product: N900 (storage mode) Jan 16 01:18:42 :-( Jan 16 01:18:53 Hmm.. I did a restore and now my M900 boots up without either /home/user/MyDocs or /media/mmc1 mounted Jan 16 01:18:56 was it switched on? Jan 16 01:19:17 I still have two phones (well to devices I'm carring) was wondering if I could get away without a 'phone service' this time, still thinking about it.. (not lost in the woods much) Jan 16 01:19:51 that would easily pay for another nokia... Jan 16 01:20:32 phone service? Jan 16 01:20:58 you mean an insurance? Jan 16 01:21:11 no I mean I'm a student Jan 16 01:21:19 in a small city.... Jan 16 01:21:50 hopefully still learning how to spell 'break' Jan 16 01:21:52 I know its like crazy for lots of ppls... Jan 16 01:22:13 ya that too Jan 16 01:22:15 where are you rabbitear? Jan 16 01:22:24 Anchorage, Alaska.. Jan 16 01:23:43 are alaskians like depicted in the movie the simpsons? Jan 16 01:23:50 pupnik: what are you talkin about, the N900 is 550 on amazon not 850 Jan 16 01:24:02 I dunno... haven't seen that one.. Jan 16 01:24:06 uhsf: $ca? Jan 16 01:24:07 xorAxAx.. Jan 16 01:24:55 rabbitear: in it, they are dumber than the average american :) Jan 16 01:25:18 xorAxAx: well claim is really that? Jan 16 01:26:22 550.00 USD Jan 16 01:26:22 = Jan 16 01:26:23 xorAxAx: its the simpons, but ya, there's alot of say 'dumb' things, if you like that kinda thing, its pretty deverified... Jan 16 01:26:26 566.940 CAD Jan 16 01:26:32 not 850 Jan 16 01:27:05 uhsf: in germany, we pay $850 for a N900 Jan 16 01:27:12 xorAxAx: kinda like any place where there is a reason to move in and out of, like college towns/cities, L.A. Boston, Nyc... Jan 16 01:27:27 and $1300 for iphone :-) Jan 16 01:27:33 xorAxAx: simpons is cool, just haven't watch it in a long time Jan 16 01:27:51 ShadowJK_: you are kidding me i hope. iphone is *more* expensive? Jan 16 01:27:58 xorAxAx: thanks for your question.. Jan 16 01:28:09 pupnik, yes it is Jan 16 01:28:16 there is no way i'm gonna pay more than 550US for a N900 Jan 16 01:28:17 * pupnik asplodes Jan 16 01:28:38 pupnik, the 3Gs 32 gigabyte variant Jan 16 01:28:49 lame Jan 16 01:29:03 x) Jan 16 01:29:17 It's distorted by operators and contracts Jan 16 01:29:32 xorAxAx: everybody CAN have a phone up here actually, for 1 dollar a month, even if your homeless.. Jan 16 01:29:33 the price u pay for more gigs is like wtf Jan 16 01:29:36 * xorAxAx is leeching extras-devel stuff Jan 16 01:29:40 rabbitear: good Jan 16 01:30:02 xorAxAx: so you have to buy your own phone tho.. Jan 16 01:30:14 how does a homeless recharge his phone? Jan 16 01:30:15 hmm ctrl+shift+o isnt workin for me Jan 16 01:30:25 close keyboard before rotating Jan 16 01:30:31 or who the fuck would call him :D Jan 16 01:30:36 red: crank dynamo Jan 16 01:30:36 its kinda crazy if you haven't been here before.. Jan 16 01:30:51 It's a bit sad really. Nokia tried to price N900 competitively by being 300 Euro below their competitors at the time of launch, but the operators bake random call minutes and service chargers into their random packages, so you never know who you are paying what :/ Jan 16 01:31:25 On the other hand, nokia hasn't been able to meet the demand for N900, so maybe their pricing strategy worked. Jan 16 01:31:45 hey, that's great Jan 16 01:32:49 we try not to make anybody jeallous Jan 16 01:35:35