**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 16 02:59:56 2010 Jan 16 03:03:40 is it possible to reconfigure the camera launch on slide opening? Jan 16 03:03:46 i want to disable it Jan 16 03:04:25 s/slide/cover/ Jan 16 03:05:25 a good plan Jan 16 03:05:48 I want the lens cover to activate the flashlight. Jan 16 03:05:59 yes, good idea Jan 16 03:06:13 but i think i go with the possible solution for now and install camkeyd Jan 16 03:06:36 replace it with flashlight autostarting the white LED, and showing a screen with a button to start cam/videocam and a slider to adjust LED brightness Jan 16 03:06:54 that would be cool Jan 16 03:07:00 DocScrutinizer-8: do you want to implement it? :) Jan 16 03:07:04 I'd just use the camera button to start the camera. Jan 16 03:07:14 i use the systray flashlight and camera opening is annohying Jan 16 03:07:44 test Jan 16 03:07:57 Me too. Jan 16 03:08:16 xorAxAx: eventually I might consider implementing that aka augmenting flashlight Jan 16 03:08:19 I'd prefer the hardware zoom to do flashlight level Jan 16 03:08:41 open-close-open triggers flashlight Jan 16 03:08:47 then zoom buttons change the level Jan 16 03:09:04 SpeedEvil: not bad either Jan 16 03:09:23 I don't want to have to unlock to use the flashlight Jan 16 03:09:40 a way to choose for stillcam or videocam would be nice anyway Jan 16 03:10:42 flashlight is kinda emergeny function. you want to get it with as less hassle as possible Jan 16 03:11:19 and I wish there was a way to safe all my bookmarks >:-( Jan 16 03:12:52 or is backup app actually saving bookmarks? sorry can't check as I sent my N900 to infinite boot loop Jan 16 03:13:25 Morning, all Jan 16 03:13:34 moo jaffa Jan 16 03:13:36 DocScrutinizer-8: places.sqlite Jan 16 03:13:48 SpeedEvil: huh? Jan 16 03:13:53 xorAxAx: Will do Jan 16 03:14:19 DocScrutinizer-8: ~/.mozilla/microb/places.sqlite is where the bookmarks are Jan 16 03:14:33 Jaffa: i went nearly insane putting the debug prints into the code :) Jan 16 03:15:18 hm Jan 16 03:15:20 SpeedEvil: I have *no access* to ~. THANKS NOKIA I can access MyDocs *only* Jan 16 03:15:37 do the function keys work in dosbox by any chance Jan 16 03:15:52 gg playing casino in larry on minimum bet lol Jan 16 03:15:53 ah Jan 16 03:15:54 :/ Jan 16 03:15:57 forgot, sorry Jan 16 03:16:05 umm. Jan 16 03:16:09 like F1 and so on Jan 16 03:16:39 SpeedEvil: thus my question. Did I save my bookmarks when I did a backup with backupapp yesterday? Jan 16 03:16:54 DocScrutinizer-8: did you fix your problem? Jan 16 03:16:55 I assume so ... Jan 16 03:17:24 fredrin_: no way :-( Preparing for reflash Jan 16 03:17:36 :( Jan 16 03:18:02 SpeedEvil: could you list for me all the checkbox options of backup app please? Jan 16 03:19:40 yes. Jan 16 03:19:45 no Jan 16 03:19:53 not at the moment - n900 isn't to hand. Jan 16 03:20:06 I can confirm that if you tick everything - it does back up bookmarks Jan 16 03:20:24 ok thanks. fair enough Jan 16 03:20:32 In 'bookmarks.zip' - in the backups dir Jan 16 03:20:40 so REFLASH grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Jan 16 03:20:45 which contains a bookmarks.xml file somewhere Jan 16 03:20:53 hmm. Jan 16 03:20:59 has anyone had a build make it out of the builder since yesterday? Jan 16 03:21:20 wb flandry. cheers Jan 16 03:21:33 hi Pupnik :) Jan 16 03:21:46 i just played through Mass Effect - in many ways an homage to Star Control II Jan 16 03:21:56 yeah it is, isn't it Jan 16 03:22:05 i haven't played it yet but it sounds cool Jan 16 03:22:16 what platform do you play it on? Jan 16 03:22:31 except for a couple of catastrophically bad segments, it was one of the most impressive things i've seen Jan 16 03:22:55 i stuck a seperate drive in this box and suffered through an XP install to play it Jan 16 03:23:19 ha Jan 16 03:23:42 how long does it take to play through? Jan 16 03:23:55 14 hours, 16 hours, 12 hours Jan 16 03:24:01 3 days ;) Jan 16 03:24:23 heh Jan 16 03:24:32 14+16+12 is under 2. Jan 16 03:24:45 lol Jan 16 03:24:48 had to work in there at some point? or no Jan 16 03:25:01 i do not use stimulants Jan 16 03:25:43 i get a good dose of maemo now and then Jan 16 03:26:52 ok, planet rover physics are idiotic (xboxlike). planets are too uniformly mountainy. (but gorgeous for the most part). many levels are too tunnel-y, lots of 'neat looking' areas that are totally unbelievable, one mission is completely out-of-character filler material Jan 16 03:27:32 uqm planets are too uniformly flat ;) Jan 16 03:27:48 SpaceFlight planets were awesome Jan 16 03:27:50 a dose Jan 16 03:27:52 sorry StarFlight Jan 16 03:28:01 i didn't play that Jan 16 03:28:04 it's legendary i know Jan 16 03:28:06 one dose two dose three dose of maemo Jan 16 03:28:10 well it's too crufty to get into now Jan 16 03:28:14 yeah Jan 16 03:28:23 test it Jan 16 03:28:28 the autobuilder ate my uqm version Jan 16 03:28:39 :) Jan 16 03:28:42 bloody hell Jan 16 03:28:43 ok Jan 16 03:29:00 what's the preferred coden and container for a high res video on the n900? Jan 16 03:29:04 codec Jan 16 03:29:08 i uploaded it yesterday and never heard back Jan 16 03:29:27 yesterday was the switch to new servers, no? Jan 16 03:29:32 and the first guy who says "use mplayer to watch videos!" is going to get a stick poked through their esophagus. Jan 16 03:29:33 no idea jX, but you make quite an entrance Jan 16 03:29:37 yeah it was Jan 16 03:29:41 Flandry: Like Kramer. :) Jan 16 03:29:42 lol Jan 16 03:29:55 mplayer is the wrong answer for high res video Jan 16 03:30:01 use kmplayer... Jan 16 03:30:03 ;) Jan 16 03:30:09 ok... where's a stick Jan 16 03:30:15 * jX stabs Flandry in the throat with a stick Jan 16 03:30:16 anybody notice the volume hardkeys sending keystroke events after upgrading to 1.1? Jan 16 03:30:30 * Flandry dies noisily Jan 16 03:30:35 nice gurgle, Jan 16 03:30:40 that touch was appreciated. Jan 16 03:30:51 * pupnik sprays insta-heal on the wound Jan 16 03:30:53 pupnik; mplayer is always the wrong answer. Jan 16 03:30:59 i was trying to show a friend a video i took with the N900 today, showing it off you know, and it froze up Jan 16 03:31:21 the built in player really has issues Jan 16 03:31:32 later it kept skipping Jan 16 03:31:38 try closeing other apps Jan 16 03:31:39 i had nothing else open :/ Jan 16 03:31:42 it seems very memory sensitive Jan 16 03:31:44 really? Jan 16 03:31:47 interesting. Jan 16 03:31:50 yeah Jan 16 03:31:51 i use kmplayer myself Jan 16 03:31:55 i blame the crawler Jan 16 03:32:06 or whatever that nasty media indexer is called Jan 16 03:32:07 I blame the myan calendar. Jan 16 03:32:15 jX: how high-res do you want to go? Jan 16 03:32:26 lol. was about to curse flashing doesn't work. But now I got the *right* micro usb plug. the one that runs to PC, not to charger :o) Jan 16 03:32:29 pupnik: I'm looking to reencode a dvd at full res Jan 16 03:32:33 1080! Jan 16 03:32:36 since the screen can handle it Jan 16 03:32:49 so NTSC dvd is 480 lines? Jan 16 03:32:52 I mean, hell, the 9 trailed that comes on the unit is bigger Jan 16 03:33:03 it'll be 720x478 Jan 16 03:33:04 yeah Jan 16 03:33:34 i scale pal down 480 cause i just don't want to make it scale, but maybe that's not needed Jan 16 03:34:08 tablet-encode might be a good search term Jan 16 03:36:17 LOL DocScrutinizer-8 Jan 16 03:38:10 pupnik: actually much less LOL than I thought. Still fails saying "Unable to enumerate USB busses!" Jan 16 03:38:58 i'm sorry to hear that. flash from a different pc perhaps Jan 16 03:39:22 pupnik: going to 240 lines is probably more sensible. Unless you're doing TV out Jan 16 03:39:43 DocScrutinizer-8: you're Jan 16 03:39:46 oh i really love the 480. seen enough 240 on 770/n810 Jan 16 03:39:49 booting it and pressing U? Jan 16 03:39:56 SpeedEvil: Why in the name of Festivus would 240 be sensible? Jan 16 03:40:09 SpeedEvil: of course Jan 16 03:40:13 jX: Well - if you watch from a distance of over 30cm Jan 16 03:40:15 it isn't that much worse, and a lot smaller Jan 16 03:40:30 SpeedEvil: No, see, I have normal eyes, I can see the terrible blur of the low res Jan 16 03:40:41 I boiught an N900 over an iPhone because of the screen (among other reasons) Jan 16 03:40:44 SpeedEvil: what is the feedback to show it's actually flashing? Jan 16 03:40:48 the last thing I want to do is put shitty video on it Jan 16 03:40:55 I don't remember Jan 16 03:41:22 SpeedEvil: but there is *some* sort of feedback? Jan 16 03:41:40 you get lots of feedback Jan 16 03:41:50 bytes transferred, then other stuff happens Jan 16 03:42:12 k Jan 16 03:42:46 what i did was, device off, start flasher, hold u and connect usb Jan 16 03:43:20 and it worked with a damaged usb-connector too Jan 16 03:43:44 should i be worried that my n900 is heating up when charging via usb? Jan 16 03:44:07 not here. best I get is a b&w NOKIA with usb icon upper left and no backlight. And an immediate ~can't enumerate USB buses!" after "...not found, wiating" Jan 16 03:44:19 thomaz: How hot, like, VERY hot? Jan 16 03:44:24 seems I have to rmmod the mass storage Jan 16 03:44:38 ~help-update Jan 16 03:44:39 extra, extra, read all about it, help-update is http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting Jan 16 03:44:42 jX, not very hot, more like warm Jan 16 03:44:51 no, that's normal Jan 16 03:45:04 that means it's getting lots of love via USB and it's happy. Jan 16 03:45:14 jX, hahahah Jan 16 03:59:23 SpeedEvil: http://pastebin.com/f33bd47c7 Jan 16 03:59:49 time to finish: ~0.5sec Jan 16 04:00:47 SpeedEvil: also tried without the --flash-only rootfs Jan 16 04:01:04 same result Jan 16 04:02:43 anybody any hints? Jan 16 04:04:29 hmm Jan 16 04:04:35 no obvious thoughts - sorry Jan 16 04:04:51 It was very fast - ~1 min maybe - but not 0.5s Jan 16 04:04:54 Good luck. Jan 16 04:04:57 Going to sleep. Jan 16 04:05:30 night Jan 16 04:05:41 SpeedEvil: and thanks Jan 16 04:06:57 wel lets see.maybe it actually flashed the rottenfs in 0.5s Jan 16 04:07:44 nope. still bootloop :-(((( Jan 16 04:10:56 * wazd_e63 yawns Jan 16 04:11:05 * GeneralAntilles chuckles at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7917#c2 Jan 16 04:11:05 Bug 7917: Extreme Lag in Phone UI after 44-1 Update Jan 16 04:11:32 GeneralAntilles: heya Jan 16 04:13:48 When I try to add my public ssh keys to my account on maemo.org, I get the message "this should not happen" . Does anyone know why that message is generated, and how I can avoid it? Jan 16 04:14:40 ~lart DocScrutinizer Jan 16 04:14:40 * infobot frags DocScrutinizer with his BFG9000 Jan 16 04:14:50 forgot -f Jan 16 04:14:58 c&p error Jan 16 04:15:19 ~burn Jan 16 04:15:51 ~burn himself Jan 16 04:15:52 * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze Jan 16 04:17:41 KenYoung: did you solve your bugtracker problem? Jan 16 04:18:18 Yo, wazd_e63. Jan 16 04:19:36 asj__, No, not really. I looked on the web, and there are several discussions where people say the tag I was using *should* be used in the debian control file, yet the package builder emits a warning when it sees it. Since it is only a warning, and since the package that gets built installs properly, I've decided to ignore the problem fo now. Jan 16 04:19:59 KenYoung: yeah warnings are ok, it warns on the icon too Jan 16 04:20:45 KenYoung, the QA docs may have something. Jan 16 04:20:53 If not, pick a package in Extras. . . . Jan 16 04:21:08 KenYoung, as for the error, site just moved today, so there may be some niggling little things floating around Jan 16 04:21:11 I'd recommend filing a bug. Jan 16 04:21:36 GeneralAntilles, The QA doc is where I originally saw that tag mentioned. The QA doc makes it sound like that field is *required*. Jan 16 04:21:54 KenYoung, it is for Extras. Jan 16 04:22:20 GeneralAntilles, But not Extras_devel or Extras_Testing? Jan 16 04:22:51 do it yourself Jan 16 04:24:26 KenYoung, well, no, -devel and -testing don't have any QA requirements. Jan 16 04:25:21 Daaaaamn, first cinema opens at 9.30, and now its 7.23 :( Jan 16 04:25:34 GeneralAntilles, Is it mandatory that a newly submitted package must first go into -devel, then be officially promoted to -Testing, and then officially promoted to Extras? Jan 16 04:26:13 Well, inasmuch as "officially" can be defined as "voted on by 10 registered members of maemo.org" Jan 16 04:26:25 What I supposed to do in absolutely unknown city for 3 hours?) Jan 16 04:26:55 wazd_e63, Map it for Openstreetmap Jan 16 04:27:11 KenYoung: meh)) Jan 16 04:27:35 GeneralAntilles, So all new packages *must* start out in Extras-devel ? Jan 16 04:27:36 wazd_e63, go find a museum? Jan 16 04:27:41 KenYoung: I don't have proper hardware/software anyway) Jan 16 04:28:03 GeneralAntilles: 7:30 am :) Jan 16 04:28:24 wazd_e63, IHOP Jan 16 04:29:17 GeneralAntilles: that's the problem :) Jan 16 04:29:32 wazd_e63, ah, something outdoors then? Jan 16 04:30:04 GeneralAntilles: well, yeah, that's the sollution) Jan 16 04:30:20 GeneralAntilles: just wandering around :) Jan 16 04:30:57 GeneralAntilles: but there's no excuse for no 24/7 theatres Jan 16 04:31:54 Hehe Jan 16 04:33:23 wazd_e63: find somewhere to buy some chalk and do some guerilla street marketing for maemo.org ;-) Jan 16 04:39:33 backup app actually is a convenient way to install a bunch of selected apps and still uncheck a few that aren't intended to be installed Jan 16 04:40:40 Is there anyone online who has successfully entered their public keys in their maemo.org account information page? Jan 16 04:40:55 no no no Jan 16 04:41:01 nobody has KenYoung Jan 16 04:41:17 rabbitear, I sure can't Jan 16 04:41:17 you have no know about how public keys actually work Jan 16 04:41:19 you can enter random stuff Jan 16 04:41:25 before you can do anything.. Jan 16 04:41:49 Blahblah will do Jan 16 04:41:55 rabbitear, I think I know how public keys work. Jan 16 04:41:59 KenYoung: maybe you should of gotten an iphone Jan 16 04:42:21 rabbitear, Thanks so much for your helpful advice. Jan 16 04:42:33 KenYoung: seriously I haven't Jan 16 04:42:40 KenYoung: I was just messing with you Jan 16 04:42:56 KenYoung: :) Jan 16 04:43:04 KenYoung: maemo.org servers are in move now so you can face some weird bugs eventually Jan 16 04:43:56 where to buy the pile of 770 from old server farm? Jan 16 04:43:58 KenYoung: you must remember that these people are those helpful, and at the EDGE of the maemo... Jan 16 04:44:04 rabbitear, I am normally not so thin skinned, but I've been trying to enter the damn keys for a couple of hours. I just get a "this should not happen" error from the maemo.org website, which isn't extra helpful. Jan 16 04:44:12 KenYoung: I don't always think they know the correct way. Jan 16 04:44:38 KenYoung: see my answer above Jan 16 04:45:01 KenYoung: I actually say (I mean not you) I just had my n900 since 24th of dec... and I just play Jan 16 04:45:11 wazd_e63, THanks. That might be it. Is there a scheduled time for when the move is supposed to be completed? Jan 16 04:45:35 KenYoung: eg... I wouldnt care of my stuff was signed or encrypted yet... Jan 16 04:45:39 KenYoung: well, check again in 6 hours or so Jan 16 04:46:55 KenYoung: so some real ones exist Jan 16 04:47:18 KenYoung: wazd_e63 is right.... irc, is like avatars... Jan 16 04:47:29 man the autobuilder is fast now Jan 16 04:47:32 (if that makes no since too) Jan 16 04:47:47 Flandry: and it still hates me) Jan 16 04:48:01 well, it ate my app yesterday Jan 16 04:48:12 *hugs* wazd_e63 for reals Jan 16 04:48:13 i finally gave up and resubmitted ten minutes ago and it's done Jan 16 04:48:56 Flandry: it just said to me "I won't upload your tar.gz cause you're a stupid looser, hahaha, cya" Jan 16 04:49:05 wow Jan 16 04:49:21 :D Jan 16 04:49:31 gone --- with the slackware crowd, that can't understand that you do not understand.... <--- gone Jan 16 04:49:40 it's a very sophisticated autobuilder obviously Jan 16 04:50:06 to resort to such insults Jan 16 04:50:08 Flandry: you bet :D Jan 16 04:51:48 Are there any community themes in extras yet? Jan 16 04:52:00 I *love* coments like 'you are a lOOser' - muhahaha Jan 16 04:52:13 comments even ;-) Jan 16 04:52:25 i dunno but the matrix one is just waiting on kontori's update to theme maker Jan 16 04:53:06 Ah, ok, then Marina can make it first, buhaha :) Jan 16 04:53:36 really need a tool to do it automatically Jan 16 04:53:40 i'm glad he's working on that Jan 16 04:54:11 well, there are some more tools along with TM Jan 16 04:54:39 yeeeeha. back to normal after a hard recovery action Jan 16 04:54:58 I've used hildon-theme-example + madde as stskeeps sugested Jan 16 04:55:37 hello all! Jan 16 04:55:48 Docscrutinizer: I'm far from normal after 8 hours in the train) Jan 16 04:55:50 is there anything like qik that uses more free software? Jan 16 04:56:06 or gives an ogg / wmv / whatever feed instead of flash? Jan 16 04:56:33 Ok, lets walk around, bbl Jan 16 04:57:43 task accomplished :-) Jan 16 04:57:51 thats what she said Jan 16 04:58:45 wtf? Jan 16 04:58:56 o.o welcome back my love Jan 16 05:10:42 <|R> Uhm, how does the file manager access windows shares without samba? :) Jan 16 05:11:02 <|R> I was at a friend's house and could see the share, though password, i couldn't see anything inside and no where to login... Jan 16 05:11:11 <|R> passworded Jan 16 05:12:49 |R: huh? Jan 16 05:13:50 he wants to access a shared directory on a windows pc from his NIT file manager Jan 16 05:14:02 and the share has a password Jan 16 05:14:12 you seen a samba share of local WiFi LAN in N900 FM? Jan 16 05:15:27 wow Jan 16 05:15:47 <|R> DocScrutinizer: yep Jan 16 05:15:51 <|R> go figure! Jan 16 05:16:19 <|R> you get the device, the memory card and then, shares or something like that Jan 16 05:16:35 UPnP perhaps Jan 16 05:16:37 Rather than SMB Jan 16 05:16:43 yep Jan 16 05:16:43 <|R> uhm, maybe :) Jan 16 05:17:09 Anyway, resleep time whilst catorise_0.0.3 goes through the autobuilder. Jan 16 05:19:18 Jaffa: hmm. here as well. Now that I went thru that recover from bootloop action Jan 16 05:22:12 hehe Jan 16 05:22:33 so it is widespread with the bugs comming with the update? Jan 16 05:24:18 *is it Jan 16 05:27:25 no idea. Jan 16 05:28:07 update went flawlessly mostly. just had to deinstall a butload of apps to free >42MB in / Jan 16 05:38:47 heh docScrutinizer been reading bout the issues with needing / space... i think im fine atm dumoped some not optified stuff Jan 16 05:39:18 any one wanna hav sex? Jan 16 05:41:06 sure Jan 16 05:41:13 DangerMaus: hildon AppMan will tell you if spave on / is sufficient when you try to update maemo5 Jan 16 05:41:26 I really hope you're a girl fling or you're about to get a shock Jan 16 05:41:53 k Jan 16 05:42:16 fling, go ask Gary Jan 16 05:42:59 gary will u bend over Jan 16 05:47:41 i just jizzed all over my n900 Jan 16 05:48:04 :s Jan 16 05:49:29 i want to know is it possible to run abiworld on the n900? Jan 16 05:51:33 #forumnokia Jan 16 05:51:42 o.O Jan 16 05:52:16 O.o Jan 16 05:52:59 some here is contributor of forum nokia? Jan 16 05:54:00 is that like a crappy version of t.m.o Jan 16 05:54:01 ? Jan 16 05:54:05 <|R> what does du -scm /dev/lib/dpkg gives you? 29MB here... Jan 16 05:54:57 |R: /dev/lib? Jan 16 05:55:14 <|R> err Jan 16 05:55:27 <|R> /var/lib/dpkg Jan 16 05:55:42 25 Jan 16 05:55:50 <|R> uhm ok :) Jan 16 06:06:12 hmm Jan 16 06:06:19 N900 attached to a 32" display is amusing Jan 16 06:06:27 <|R> bounce time Jan 16 06:07:07 ffs could *someone* please fix the promotion finally Jan 16 06:07:16 color reproduction is terrible though Jan 16 06:07:40 Warning: Cannot use a scalar value as an array in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/services/cache/module/content.php on line 1094 Jan 16 06:07:55 gives that error a bajillion times when i try to promote a package Jan 16 06:09:54 <|R> there should be an optify thingie for locales, 16MB! Jan 16 06:12:23 Flandry, X-Fade's probably still down for the count for a few more hours. Jan 16 06:12:46 Yeah i know it's weird hours Jan 16 06:13:01 Flandry, biggest problem with open source projects. Jan 16 06:13:09 Paid hours and hacking hours never overlap. Jan 16 06:13:14 I was just overly hopeful that the new servers would fix the promotion weirdness Jan 16 06:14:08 T.M.O down at the moment? Jan 16 06:14:12 i keep thinking i've collected all the bugs Jan 16 06:14:13 Flandry, there are weird config bugs all over the place. Jan 16 06:14:16 in promotion Jan 16 06:14:19 Flandry, probably something pretty easy to fix. Jan 16 06:14:21 and then i get a new one Jan 16 06:14:29 lol Jan 16 06:16:22 SyncA: seems to be Jan 16 06:19:59 at least I found a fix for my problem, the thanks will be for next time then ;-) Jan 16 06:23:45 bye all Jan 16 06:24:13 now it's back Jan 16 06:24:15 magically Jan 16 06:24:21 oh, he's gone Jan 16 06:25:41 hehe Jan 16 06:25:54 drive by asker Jan 16 06:27:20 is there a mailing list you could register to, to get T.M.O new posts? I hate forum Jan 16 06:37:52 <|R> Where does HAM puts the repo that use 15MB ? Jan 16 06:38:10 <|R> it doesn't seem to be in /var/cache/apt or /var/lib/dpkg Jan 16 06:49:45 |R: possibly keeps it in RAM as that is what we have most of, considering swap file size compared to du / Jan 16 06:50:41 btw do you know it's annoying like hell to get your nick on the line? at least on N900 Jan 16 06:52:59 I say its open Jan 16 06:53:13 agree to just destroy Jan 16 06:53:18 nobody else cares Jan 16 06:55:12 <|R> DocScrutinizer51: haha, get the | char in the bar :-) Jan 16 06:55:31 <|R> DocScrutinizer51: but, if it's in RAM, then how come you save / space when removing repo? Jan 16 06:55:34 bar? Jan 16 06:55:55 <|R> xterm-bar... well i thought you'd be using irssi hehe.. what's the client? :) Jan 16 06:56:08 repo : dunno Jan 16 06:56:19 no xterm here Jan 16 06:56:34 xchat Jan 16 06:57:08 <|R> :) Jan 16 06:59:03 and in a magic way all the settings and even custom file in ~/.xchat2 survived the rootfs flashing I had to do 4h ago Jan 16 06:59:46 seems rootfs really doesn't mean /home Jan 16 07:01:04 <|R> nop, /home is the 2GB partition :) Jan 16 07:01:21 quite convenient to have a click and kick on highlighted msgs in xchat Jan 16 07:01:51 <|R> ok, the lists are in /var/lib/apt/lists/ Jan 16 08:24:45 DocScrutinizer51: ehh.. no Jan 16 08:25:23 Stskeeps: ehh what? :-) howdy! Jan 16 08:25:35 DocScrutinizer51: banned you i didnt Jan 16 08:25:48 you on t-dialin Jan 16 08:25:54 freenode madness Jan 16 08:26:11 hmm kinda Jan 16 08:27:02 fixed now Jan 16 08:27:22 there was a ban matching you by accident Jan 16 08:27:55 Stskeeps: I'm just looking into usb networking (like ssh to N900 over usb). Seems I'm missing a few bits. Any comments Jan 16 08:28:20 ? Jan 16 08:29:13 hmm Jan 16 08:29:47 first of all cdc_ether (which I think is upnlink0) is missing an IP addr Jan 16 08:30:00 pr1.1 stopped playing some mpeg files, says no codec found. Jan 16 08:31:55 mtd: not sure, sorry Jan 16 08:38:56 ping all Jan 16 08:39:32 ponggong Jan 16 08:40:07 hey Doc Jan 16 08:40:33 DocScrutinizer51: saw my ubifs guide btw? Jan 16 08:40:39 hrhrhrrr Jan 16 08:40:49 * DocScrutinizer remembers a pack of cookies Jan 16 08:40:53 Stskeeps: yep Jan 16 08:41:06 DocScrutinizer: do you know something about this python-optify package which adds additional mountpoints and doesnt remove them after removing the package? Jan 16 08:41:11 rather short Jan 16 08:41:24 DocScrutinizer: but exact Jan 16 08:41:28 BluesLee: nada Jan 16 08:42:12 Stskeeps: yup. yet have to check if ubitize or what it's called is available for my distro Jan 16 08:42:29 mtd-utils has it Jan 16 08:49:25 no mtd-utils for me :-/ Jan 16 08:49:50 compile on your own then Jan 16 08:50:15 yo Jan 16 08:52:30 hmm odd... the battery meter is showing ~80% full yet if I check using lshal I get 68% Jan 16 08:53:13 Stskeeps: this night I would have paid a couple of beers for that guy who might have implemented a simple bootmenu script that checks for a special key combination pressed and if it sees that then opens a xterm and stops all further system startup Jan 16 08:54:31 I doubt you would have xterm so early Jan 16 08:58:22 ruskie: hmm. a shell without xterm then? Jan 16 08:59:40 * pupnik checks irc log to see how mu8ch sleep he got Jan 16 09:00:28 lol Jan 16 09:05:48 DocScrutinizer, yeah but the keymap would need to be fixed to support the fn keys Jan 16 09:10:56 ruskie: you really don't have xterm that early Jan 16 09:10:59 err, DocScrutinizer Jan 16 09:11:03 this is way pre X Jan 16 09:11:20 best thing you can get is telnet over usbnet or the likes Jan 16 09:11:44 well even that would be handy Jan 16 09:12:14 but for now and atm I fail to see any defaults for any usbnet Jan 16 09:12:17 there's support for it in bootmenu but not implement Jan 16 09:12:26 just use community standard Jan 16 09:12:34 g_ether, 192.168.2.14 for host, 2.15 for device Jan 16 09:13:06 wiki, howto? Jan 16 09:13:33 pc-connectivity offers exactly this for 'network'. alas it fails obviously Jan 16 09:13:49 because if i edit rx-51 keymap again, i dont want to reflash on screwup Jan 16 09:13:50 well that or g_serial Jan 16 09:14:18 tried adding pgup,dn,home,end to arrows Jan 16 09:14:24 lol pupnik Jan 16 09:14:30 pupnik: ssh over WiFi works like a charm Jan 16 09:14:45 not when you get 5 dots Jan 16 09:14:57 hmmm Jan 16 09:15:24 about 3 hours here :/ Jan 16 09:15:35 sleep? Jan 16 09:15:37 DocScrutinizer: grab bootmenu SVN and hack in the support :P Jan 16 09:15:47 so far Jan 16 09:15:58 Stskeeps: aah Jan 16 09:15:59 k Jan 16 09:16:24 Stskeeps: ty. this is a good thing to do Jan 16 09:17:21 DocScrutinizer: there is actually support just not working for n900 Jan 16 09:17:34 as you need to add g_ether module or find a way to use g_nokia Jan 16 09:17:57 thats what I guessed as I thought this is heritage from N810 etc Jan 16 09:18:10 yeah Jan 16 09:18:30 same like usb-host Jan 16 09:18:38 i decided it was more important to get the framework going as it was a jungle on n8x0 Jan 16 09:19:24 framework? Jan 16 09:19:30 well, bootmenu stuff Jan 16 09:19:39 it has the ability to be extended to a lot more than being just a bootmenu so Jan 16 09:24:53 * pupnik gets all kinds of bad ideas Jan 16 09:27:55 like dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/mtdblk0 ? Jan 16 09:28:37 http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding thanks bigtime to RevDkathy for the handbrake profile! Jan 16 09:30:21 wow. ts-calib has a break key (bs) and a note telling you Jan 16 09:40:34 mmm first time testing the fm transmitter... works nice Jan 16 09:40:51 and I like that it's pulse based... means that even though I'm using xmms2 it still outputs there Jan 16 09:41:51 german airwaves are a bit noisy for it Jan 16 09:42:11 what range can you get ruskie Jan 16 09:42:26 I tried it once and got nothing but statics Jan 16 09:42:27 no clue Jan 16 09:43:13 worked for me when close enough to receiver's antenna Jan 16 09:43:14 qt vs gtk? pro cons in maemo? Jan 16 09:43:33 qt for officially continued development past maemo5 Jan 16 09:43:55 it's qt4 right? Jan 16 09:44:23 yeah Jan 16 09:45:35 I had to put it to 88.2 else I got a lo tof noise Jan 16 09:45:38 haven't tried the range though Jan 16 09:45:49 hmm, shell hackers Jan 16 09:46:01 how would be the best way to uppercase first letter in a string? Jan 16 09:46:06 i'm thinking tr and such Jan 16 09:46:28 ask_maemo.sh Jan 16 09:48:17 * RST38h moos Jan 16 09:48:18 Stskeeps, sed Jan 16 09:52:18 Bug #8114 Jan 16 09:52:19 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8114 Video player volume control desynced from master control Jan 16 09:52:34 Gentlemen, could I ask you to verify and vote on this bug? =) Jan 16 09:53:01 11:37 < pupnik> german airwaves are a bit noisy for it Jan 16 09:53:03 i did get my ears blasted out the other day due to something like that Jan 16 09:53:36 Same in Tampere Finland. I actually put my car stereo to near full and went thru the whole FM band with 0.5 ticks and there was no frequencies where I didn't get feedback from radio stations. Jan 16 09:53:54 Like very small ambient signal talk/music/hissing Jan 16 09:54:01 red, where is the antenna in your car? Jan 16 09:54:03 which then translates to buzzing while running the FM transmitter Jan 16 09:54:15 i can move my radio around the cabin on most channels and override radio Jan 16 09:54:16 it extends from left A-Pillar Jan 16 09:54:28 couldnt override any channels Jan 16 09:54:34 even with N900 at the antenna Jan 16 09:54:53 im guessing they use more powerful transmitters here, to cover more area (Finland is big) Jan 16 09:55:47 FM TX should not be used to override FM radios Jan 16 09:55:51 is there some sort of booster app around that i recall seeing, not sure what it does or why or how or if it will eat your firstborn but it might work Jan 16 09:56:06 thresh, of course it can Jan 16 09:56:10 find a clear frequency, tune both devices to it, and you're done Jan 16 09:56:12 its fun putting my music over the top Jan 16 09:56:20 tracy goes mad Jan 16 09:56:22 :D Jan 16 09:56:39 you booted the n900 transmitter power too? there is a app for that .. or just some /sys hacking Jan 16 09:56:42 thresh: if only there were such frequencies Jan 16 09:56:47 do i have to enable birthdays in the calendar or should they be shown by default when birthdays exist my contacts? my calendar doesnt display the birthdays i entered. (most recent firmware) Jan 16 09:56:48 * Stskeeps bangs his head against insane gtk theming issues Jan 16 09:56:49 in two countries i've been with n900 (turkey and russia) signals are just too powerful Jan 16 09:57:01 id like to find a app to boost the power aswell, but unlikely one exists Jan 16 09:57:03 or is possible Jan 16 09:57:04 red: you usually need 0.2 range or something Jan 16 09:57:11 thresh: I tried at the antenna. Jan 16 09:57:13 red: there is one Jan 16 09:57:19 literally touching it Jan 16 09:57:37 cehteh: whats it called? Jan 16 09:57:51 at least here in germany the transmitter is artifically limited because of regulations, but i suspect thats the case in many countries Jan 16 09:58:02 ah, sounds plausible Jan 16 09:58:09 forgot its name maybe its in devl or testing Jan 16 09:58:16 tradeoff - I guess, is that it eats more cpu Jan 16 09:58:21 battery* Jan 16 09:58:39 i have no device currently .. but search tmp there are tipps .. you can just echo 118 >/sys/somewhere Jan 16 09:58:47 to set the power level to max Jan 16 09:59:01 certainly that too Jan 16 09:59:01 hardly helps for me Jan 16 09:59:26 well i didnt had any problems with receiving the transmitter and tried with different radios Jan 16 09:59:46 30 cm max here Jan 16 10:00:01 did u try in a car? Jan 16 10:00:01 you need to find a free frequenncy or at least tune between two frequencies .. and find a good spot to place the device Jan 16 10:00:07 yes that too Jan 16 10:00:08 like outside rather than in an apartment Jan 16 10:00:12 k Jan 16 10:00:27 I tweaked the frequencies like 30 min @ my car Jan 16 10:00:42 if the car antenna is on the roof you may have to place the device near the radio or very front under the windschield Jan 16 10:00:49 wasnt able to find a good one so I just use a 3.5mm to 3.5mm cord at the moment but i dislike having that in my car Jan 16 10:00:57 and dont connect usb or headphones Jan 16 10:01:12 no I don't use those :P god a good audio set in the car Jan 16 10:01:28 and I keep it on the little area under the windshield Jan 16 10:01:30 i found a spot in car that works ok Jan 16 10:01:32 kinda that or pocket Jan 16 10:01:44 it works "ok" but theres background hissing and spikes at times Jan 16 10:01:52 and its very noticeable with good audio kit Jan 16 10:02:10 when you plug any cable in, it reduces power to satisfy the requirements .. Jan 16 10:02:15 "FM Boost - a script to boost FM TX to 118" Jan 16 10:02:16 which is bit overreacting Jan 16 10:02:17 that it? Jan 16 10:02:20 yes Jan 16 10:02:36 ill give it a go next time Im driving Jan 16 10:02:52 note: using it might be illegal in your country .. i am not liable for this tip :P Jan 16 10:03:06 like someone cares lol Jan 16 10:03:09 or monitors Jan 16 10:03:12 it should boost it to 11 Jan 16 10:03:23 * ColdFyre ponies Jan 16 10:03:25 app said "118" Jan 16 10:04:16 the thing is, receivers won't go to 118 :/ Jan 16 10:04:40 ahh Jan 16 10:04:41 thanks, government Jan 16 10:04:57 the booster is just 88-107 to 88-118? :P Jan 16 10:06:09 got a pack of 2500 mAh AA batts Jan 16 10:06:30 someone saied 118 is the max power level Jan 16 10:06:30 well read the source luke .. the one of the fm transmitter in the kernel of course Jan 16 10:06:54 88? Jan 16 10:06:58 could fit 7 of them behind n900 :) Jan 16 10:07:19 dont confuse frequency with sending power Jan 16 10:07:31 cehteh: thats what I wanted to make sure Jan 16 10:07:45 that we were talking about power and not freq =) Jan 16 10:07:58 SeriesFinale app <3 Jan 16 10:08:12 actually the frequency can be as low as 76Mhz .. but for legal reasons it starts at 88 Jan 16 10:08:50 and thats really dangerous to go down .. first: normal radios dont receive that and second these frewquencies are used by police and rescue services Jan 16 10:09:06 if you use or block them then the'll really go after you Jan 16 10:09:29 hahaha @ "block" Jan 16 10:09:30 no point to try to tweak there Jan 16 10:09:58 well standing next to a police care blocking the freq while your buddy robs the bank on the other side :) Jan 16 10:10:32 cehteh: I'd bet the fatsos would have no clue Jan 16 10:11:07 here in germany receiving this frequencies is illegal too Jan 16 10:11:26 ye but like someone can see that you hook up a pirated police radio Jan 16 10:11:37 countless reporters do that I bet Jan 16 10:12:33 some python packaging experts here? Jan 16 10:12:39 my father was radio technical and once got a job to make a report for a court finding out if the defendant tweaked his car radio Jan 16 10:13:11 it's not illegal in Norway. used to be, but it was challenged some years ago, and found legal. Jan 16 10:13:13 dunno about other countries .. but ago they where quite serious about that here Jan 16 10:13:30 yeah well that way you can ofcourse see Jan 16 10:13:36 yeah i once seen a netherlands internet radio which streams amsterdam police radio .. HAHA :P Jan 16 10:13:40 but to monitor if someone is receiving the frequency is impossible Jan 16 10:13:48 schon G3Zahlt? Jan 16 10:15:01 red: yes but if you have evidince that he tweaked his radio maybe to circumvent speeding charged by finding out where they hide or assist some other crime that had a big penality Jan 16 10:16:10 plausible, but unrealistic 99% cases Jan 16 10:16:12 for some reason, it's legal at home - but not in your car - here. Jan 16 10:16:20 you need to get caught of something else basicly to make them suspect that Jan 16 10:16:35 yes Jan 16 10:17:26 hmm. confusing. think I'll have to go closer to the source to check specifics. Jan 16 10:20:41 ahh, now I updated SeriesFinale with the series I watch and know what and when :) Jan 16 10:25:46 what is the reasoning behind serving bugzilla via https, btw? Jan 16 10:26:47 so your cookies and passwords aren't caught? Jan 16 10:28:04 how my bugzie cookie is more important than t.m.o cookie (that isn't served via ssl) Jan 16 10:28:06 ? Jan 16 10:28:25 well. Jan 16 10:28:26 :P Jan 16 10:28:50 yep. Jan 16 10:28:52 :P Jan 16 10:30:39 Stskeeps, maybe nokia thinks t.m.o content has no value? :) Jan 16 10:30:52 bugs.maemo.org != nokia Jan 16 10:30:55 and isn't worth being protected :P Jan 16 10:31:21 Stskeeps, doesn't matter. whoever manages it. Jan 16 10:36:59 X-Fade: Here? Jan 16 10:51:03 is it just me, or have there been very few packages upgraded lately in the maemo-extras/maemo-extras-evel? Jan 16 10:52:51 X-Fade: isn't debian/optify set to 'auto' supposed to make autobuilder optify the thing? Jan 16 10:55:17 ohai, how filled rootfs bricks my device? Jan 16 10:56:17 With extreme prejudice! Jan 16 10:56:24 That would be good actually. Jan 16 10:56:29 i have got 80 and i am afraid i wont boot Jan 16 10:56:41 LuciusMare: are you installing through HAM? Jan 16 10:56:53 or BEEF Jan 16 10:56:59 sorry Jan 16 10:57:12 HAM installed fine for me with 50M free Jan 16 10:57:12 40 Jan 16 10:57:29 i dont think so, i dont even know what HAM is Jan 16 10:57:36 default app manager Jan 16 10:57:45 Reheya maemo Jan 16 10:57:53 moo wazd Jan 16 10:58:01 reheated hi to you too wazd_e63 Jan 16 10:58:09 and,oh, i meant 80% filled Jan 16 10:58:14 that's nothing Jan 16 10:58:35 so no brick? Jan 16 10:58:39 Rst38h: holding ddp device in my hands, trying to resist) Jan 16 10:58:49 and,what is this HAM? Jan 16 10:59:08 tasty Jan 16 10:59:26 >_> Jan 16 10:59:32 the app manager Jan 16 10:59:45 oh Jan 16 11:00:37 well, i installed the last app w/ apt-get, because the app manager keeps updating its repos,and i cant afford it on gprs Jan 16 11:00:58 find some free wifi and do it there :) Jan 16 11:01:17 hah Jan 16 11:01:34 no free wifi in sight, i am afraid Jan 16 11:02:18 wazd_e63: hey, did you push the marina package already? Jan 16 11:03:27 aw,shit,man Jan 16 11:03:44 this piece of fbreader keeps freezing, i just reinstgalled it Jan 16 11:04:12 "making list book.please wai-freeezee." Jan 16 11:05:01 xorAxAx: any luck with updating app icons? Jan 16 11:05:16 if i click on "all" i get the whole list Jan 16 11:05:34 pupnik_: well, there is a bug Jan 16 11:05:39 report Jan 16 11:05:55 whats the package called again Jan 16 11:06:11 pupnik_: as long as its not fixed, you can workaround it by calling /opt/catorise/catorise manually Jan 16 11:06:12 pupnik_: Catorise Jan 16 11:06:18 i can not find packages in bugtracker btw Jan 16 11:06:25 ty Jan 16 11:06:35 pupnik_: https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?product=Catorise Jan 16 11:06:35 the bug is known Jan 16 11:06:46 * Jaffa is about to upload 0.0.4 with a fix :) Jan 16 11:07:04 sweet Jan 16 11:07:37 wazd: Do not resist, just buy the damn thing Jan 16 11:07:54 it is just wonderful to have orted app icons Jan 16 11:07:58 what's the damn thing in question? Jan 16 11:07:59 sorted Jan 16 11:08:36 hi Jan 16 11:08:40 lardman: n900 Jan 16 11:08:52 hey lardman .. hi RST38h and Jaffa Jan 16 11:08:58 moo Anidel Jan 16 11:09:32 :) Jan 16 11:09:51 lardman|home: Catorise? Jan 16 11:09:57 hi Anidel Jan 16 11:09:57 hi chaps Jan 16 11:10:07 wazd: Do not resist, just buy the damn thing Jan 16 11:10:28 Jaffa: but Catorise works nicely, especially since the update and web appearing :) Jan 16 11:11:14 lardman|home: bug 8206 should now be fixed; but bug 8111 is worrying Jan 16 11:11:16 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8206 was not found. Jan 16 11:11:17 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8111 Catorise creates issues for dbus-activate apps (phone, messaging ui, etc ..) Jan 16 11:11:30 8026 rather Jan 16 11:12:00 Hello! Since upgrading PR1.1 i can't find mplayer in my reposirotry. Was there any change? I have the maemo-repository for fremantile with free non-free. Jan 16 11:13:13 mplayer from my previous installation works - at least for mp3 Jan 16 11:13:27 I've not seen problems re 8111 when launching from desktop shortcut Jan 16 11:13:29 RST38h: hi, vgb doesnt show GB and GBC files, only gb and gbc Jan 16 11:13:34 RST38h: can you fix that? :) Jan 16 11:14:00 xorAxAx: Fix what? Jan 16 11:14:08 RST38h: the file mask for the file open dialog Jan 16 11:14:08 ah, triggers issue, rootstrap needs updating Jan 16 11:14:27 xorAxAx: What is wrong with the file mask? Jan 16 11:14:28 SpeedEvil: I don't have an mplayer from my previous installation left. The update purged it. Jan 16 11:14:39 RST38h: vgb doesnt show GB and GBC files, only gb and gbc Jan 16 11:14:39 Oh, the letter case... Jan 16 11:14:52 xorAxAx: rename your files to have proper extensions. Linux is case-sensitive. Jan 16 11:14:55 my files came from a DOS partition Jan 16 11:14:57 i know Jan 16 11:15:01 too bad. Jan 16 11:15:25 But Windows preserves letter case, so this should not be a problem. Jan 16 11:16:33 Maybe someone could do a "apt-cache search mplayer" on an upgraded n900 and tell me if there is a package for mplayer. I can see only pulseaudio, kmplayer worldtv99 Jan 16 11:16:44 "Muscovites complain that the porno movie shown at a huge advertising display in the downtown last night was of extremely low quality" Jan 16 11:16:56 * RST38h cackles Jan 16 11:17:24 isnt mplayer part of kmplayer? Jan 16 11:17:35 ~curse our toolchain for not supporting FORTRAN therefore making lardman's life difficult having to deal with f2c Jan 16 11:17:36 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, our toolchain for not supporting FORTRAN therefore making lardman's life difficult having to deal with f2c ! Jan 16 11:17:40 till-: No. kmplayer ist just a frontend to mplayer imho Jan 16 11:17:52 Ever since the latest upgrade, the device asks me now and then what network I want to connect to, when I turn on the display Jan 16 11:17:52 mplayer - The Ultimate Movie Player, N900 version. Jan 16 11:18:12 Anything I can do to stop that? I'm not running any network-needy programs. Jan 16 11:18:38 i want mencoder on maemo Jan 16 11:19:00 pupnik_: Thx. I wonder why I don't have it in my repositories available. Do you have any other repositories: Nokia Applications, Nokia System Software Updates, Ovi, Maemo.org Jan 16 11:19:08 lardman: 505 IT IS SAID YOU CAN CODE IN FORTRAN Jan 16 11:19:15 lardman: 515 USING ANY LANGUAGE Jan 16 11:19:23 GOTO 505 Jan 16 11:19:25 lol Jan 16 11:20:06 Filename: pool/fremantle/free/m/mplayer/mplayer_1.0svn_armel.deb Jan 16 11:20:15 till-: I've been using it - it comes with mplayer Jan 16 11:20:19 is that -devel? Jan 16 11:20:48 really? not on my n800 Jan 16 11:21:00 till-: using it for transcoding on device - which is silly - but gets 6fps even on biggish files, and encoding video Jan 16 11:21:04 maemo.org repos still down for me from the device.. Jan 16 11:21:34 mplayer --version says SVN-r30099-4.2.1 Jan 16 11:22:11 there must be a way to get apt-cache to show -devel -testing or whatevah Jan 16 11:22:20 Hm. I think I should remove the maemo repository and add it again. Jan 16 11:22:25 I'll have a try! Jan 16 11:24:16 Hm. I even can't delete/edit entries in my "Application catalogs" Jan 16 11:24:28 I'll try to edit it in /etc/sources.list Jan 16 11:25:10 i hope some commercial navi software with traffic updates is in the works Jan 16 11:26:34 pupnik_: I hope Ovi Maps 3.0 will be available for n900. I was using i on my 5800XM Jan 16 11:26:43 Great Software. Jan 16 11:26:53 cool Jan 16 11:27:06 turn navi worked ok? Jan 16 11:27:55 pupnik_: Yes! It worked perfect including Voice and all the stuff. Just as good as my TomTom. Jan 16 11:28:02 if people had n900 option against expensive car navigation, that would sell units Jan 16 11:28:17 nice Jan 16 11:28:48 I couldn't believe that there was only Maps 1.0 on the n900 as I used it the first time. In this version the navigation is just useless. Jan 16 11:29:15 I could implement a xkcd GPS in one line of awk. Jan 16 11:29:20 Maps 3.0 would be a real Killer App imho for the N900 Jan 16 11:29:56 http://xkcd.com/407/ Jan 16 11:30:06 with voice directions with espeak too Jan 16 11:30:24 wazd_e63: grab it and run for it! Jan 16 11:31:16 that kind of gps would just say cold cold cold cold all the time here Jan 16 11:31:22 till-: ping Jan 16 11:31:26 except for a couple days/weeks a year Jan 16 11:31:43 Wired. Portmap and nfs is missing too in my repository :( Jan 16 11:34:55 maybe the german government dns proxy is out of sync Jan 16 11:35:15 * RST38h read "german government proxy" and wondered Jan 16 11:35:40 t-online dns broke when they were forced to implement that Jan 16 11:35:54 i consider it a tos violation Jan 16 11:36:47 Does this constant attempt to get online happen to other with the new upgrade as well? Jan 16 11:37:12 thanks jaffa for the bugfix Jan 16 11:37:45 Lynoure: not for me. i set device to connect manyally Jan 16 11:38:06 pupnik_: np Jan 16 11:38:17 pupnik_: How? I found the "always ask" option, but that does not seem to help Jan 16 11:39:47 lynoure, sounds like a bug Jan 16 11:40:28 pupnik_: Feels like one too, I wonder if it is having IM accounts defined that makes it nag. Jan 16 11:40:41 ahh maybe Jan 16 11:40:44 For the mplayer/nfs/portmap problem. You need another repository: http://repository.maemo.org => install for latest rleases (this means "fremantle extras-devel") Jan 16 11:42:02 I can't find how to push packages to extras-testing, the wiki page doesn't help: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing Jan 16 11:43:14 felipec: it's currently broken - atleast for me Jan 16 11:46:11 joppu: fixed highlighting (if you follow directions in try_it_out.sh) i think and optification Jan 16 11:47:38 joppu: today or yesterday? Jan 16 11:48:11 joppu: Still broken, should be fixed now? Jan 16 11:48:33 and,how is it going with catorise? Jan 16 11:48:49 anyway, what's the procedure to get them to -devel? Jan 16 11:48:56 er, -testing Jan 16 11:49:16 felipec: go to the package instance page in maemo.org/packages/ Jan 16 11:49:25 felipec: And click on promote there. Jan 16 11:50:58 X-Fade: http://maemo.org/packages/view/telepathy-msn-pecan/ <- I see no promote there =/ Jan 16 11:51:19 felipec: go to the specific version, armel . Jan 16 11:52:15 felipec: Ah, it has missing dependencies? Jan 16 11:52:15 LuciusMare: Catorise 0.0.4 fixes bug 8026 but suffers from bug 8111 Jan 16 11:52:17 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8026 Catorise does not add icon in the category when a new application is installed Jan 16 11:52:18 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8111 Catorise creates issues for dbus-activate apps (phone, messaging ui, etc ..) Jan 16 11:52:38 hm Jan 16 11:53:05 X-Fade: nope, I don't know why it says that Jan 16 11:53:27 felipec: I did not update for new sdk yet. Jan 16 11:54:09 felipec: is this depending on versions available in pr1.1 ? Jan 16 11:54:21 so,you say "do not want" yet? Jan 16 11:54:25 is the N900 wifi only able to pull about 350KB/sec or is Revision3:s DL server slow? Jan 16 11:54:47 the second part is retorical :p Jan 16 11:54:49 hi Jan 16 11:54:55 X-Fade: the package works fine on PR1.0 Jan 16 11:55:04 Jaffa: you here? Jan 16 11:55:20 ow Jan 16 11:55:29 hi, should I open a bug report for that? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40786 Jan 16 11:55:31 my headphone is borken Jan 16 11:55:37 X-Fade: there are no hard-coded dependencies Jan 16 11:55:50 X-Fade: the build dependencies are: debhelper (>= 5), librtcom-accounts-widgets-dev, libglade2-dev, libnss3-dev, maemo-optify Jan 16 11:56:02 felipec: how can that be if it depends on libosso1 >= 2.26, while 2.23 is in pr1? Jan 16 11:56:08 only one,though,my songs are stereo,so i only hear these drums. Jan 16 11:56:25 X-Fade: that's something the build system added Jan 16 11:56:40 Depends: ${shlibs:Depends} Jan 16 11:56:48 can i switch it so both channels are going into only one physical channel? Jan 16 11:57:58 felipec: Ah, yeah it is built against new sdk repository. Jan 16 11:58:46 hrw|n900: Yup Jan 16 11:59:23 X-Fade: so sdk has newer stuff? Jan 16 11:59:42 Jaffa: tried to upgrade sbox? Jan 16 11:59:46 * hrw|n900 off Jan 16 11:59:52 X-Fade: looks like that... all I did was scp to garage.maemo.org:/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/ as the instructions said Jan 16 11:59:56 hrw|n900: yes, new sdk == pr1.1 == 51-1 rootfs on device. Jan 16 12:01:01 hrw|n900: Given the autobuilder is using the same version as my locale one Jan 16 12:01:07 s/locale/local/ Jan 16 12:01:07 Jaffa meant: hrw|n900: Given the autobuilder is using the same version as my local one Jan 16 12:01:23 felipec: Yes, just need to load pr1.1 into the interface. I'll try to do that today. Jan 16 12:01:45 X-Fade: awesome! :) Jan 16 12:01:51 felipec: Just didn't have time for that yet with the server move and all. Jan 16 12:03:01 * Jaffa wonders where the new SDK announcement and upgrade instructions are :-( Jan 16 12:03:34 * X-Fade wonders if those were uploaded to the old server ;) Jan 16 12:04:22 X-Fade: yeah, they were, I think I did it just before the server move Jan 16 12:04:33 wtf. Why is qik in sdk? :) Jan 16 12:05:04 where? :P Jan 16 12:05:13 hi all Jan 16 12:05:22 Oh, no it is in Nokia applications. Jan 16 12:05:34 http://maemo.org/packages/view/qik/ Jan 16 12:05:40 ah Jan 16 12:06:08 http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/16/apple-retaliates-requests-us-import-ban-on-nokia-phones/ <- neat Jan 16 12:06:21 Jaffa: I just did apt-get update/upgrade in sbox for new sdk Jan 16 12:06:32 off again _ arrived home Jan 16 12:09:38 hrw|n900: Yeah, historically though that's been an "unsupported" way of upgrading Jan 16 12:09:58 nvm, was just bad server.. getting 550KB/sec now which is decent Jan 16 12:11:27 can i install extensions to microb just as in "normal" firefox? Jan 16 12:13:35 vgba is so great now with assignable keys for diagonals. i am testing n900 keyboard as i-way dpad for the first time and it works very nicely. Jan 16 12:13:43 Jaffa: you know what I am thinking of other ways? Jan 16 12:13:43 8-way Jan 16 12:22:26 hi Jan 16 12:22:51 hi where can i find the dbus api for maemo? I search for it since half an hour - but i think i have the wrong searchwords ;) Jan 16 12:23:38 what do you mean dbus api? it's just standard dbus... Jan 16 12:24:08 he means the docs Jan 16 12:24:09 villager: for example i search for the meaning of this sentence Jan 16 12:24:10 hi PBeck Jan 16 12:24:12 /com/nokia/hildon_desktop com.nokia.hildon_desktop.set_state int32:128 Jan 16 12:24:29 xorAxAx: I know that Jan 16 12:24:33 hi xorAxAx, all right? :) You own an n900? :) Jan 16 12:24:39 PBeck: yep Jan 16 12:24:42 -n Jan 16 12:24:47 xorAxAx: nice to hear :) Jan 16 12:25:03 PBeck: then you're not looking for the dbus api... you're looking for a spec on the com.nokia.hildon_desktop interface, not a spec on dbus Jan 16 12:26:11 villager: yes exactly Jan 16 12:26:42 re Jan 16 12:26:59 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/UI_Framework#D-Bus_signal_for_closing_applications <= ah that should be not completely wrong Jan 16 12:27:03 hi hrww Jan 16 12:27:19 Jaffa: my sbox has dpkg 1.14.25 Jan 16 12:27:46 Jaffa: so it looks like autobuilder require upgrade Jan 16 12:28:06 bye Jan 16 12:35:00 hrw|n900: Cool Jan 16 12:49:26 hi everyone, i have a small question about the maemo 5 media player Jan 16 12:49:51 how do i play a video in full screen mode? Jan 16 12:50:02 err Jan 16 12:50:06 press it Jan 16 12:50:18 how you play video in non-fullscreen? Jan 16 12:50:25 press it Jan 16 12:50:31 afaik lol Jan 16 12:51:10 ok maybe not Jan 16 12:51:19 :D Jan 16 12:51:20 hi all Jan 16 12:51:20 how do you play a video not fullscreen Jan 16 12:51:20 :P Jan 16 12:51:28 yes, how do you get it to not be fullscreen? :D Jan 16 12:51:34 why Pixelpipe plugin is no more available in App Manager? Jan 16 12:51:35 you've just repeated my question Jan 16 12:52:02 perhaps it had not the right resolution? Jan 16 12:52:11 smaller then 800x480 Jan 16 12:52:26 oh sorry.. just joined the channel :) Jan 16 12:52:31 yeah, it's smaller, but it should still be possible to view it in full screen, right? Jan 16 12:52:39 so the n900 has no fullscreen mode - perhaps Jan 16 12:52:51 slonopotamus: oh... it's on the Ovi Store now O_o Jan 16 12:52:53 * lcuk sits with slonopotamus wondering now how to make a video *not* fullscreen Jan 16 12:52:59 * frals leaves the confusion and goes back to fixing with MMS Jan 16 12:53:22 frals, you should have an automatic test # setup Jan 16 12:53:34 and make a gallery of the mmses you have gotten from people saying thankyou! Jan 16 12:53:42 haha Jan 16 12:53:52 that be pretty cool Jan 16 12:53:52 dylanm, it is maximied to fit screen. Jan 16 12:53:59 * lcuk would send a picture of a trophy Jan 16 12:54:05 dylanm, what else are you expecting? Jan 16 12:54:28 hmmm, yeah, i was afraid that would be the case Jan 16 12:54:41 well then, is there an 800x480 video to fix stuck pixels? Jan 16 12:54:50 frals, you never know, some ladies might be even more appreciative lol Jan 16 12:54:58 mornin konttori Jan 16 12:55:11 lcuk: i dont think the misses would appreciate that ;D Jan 16 12:55:22 konttori, you gonna be around nrc next week? Jan 16 12:55:29 frals, what can you do Jan 16 12:55:32 mms groupies Jan 16 12:55:36 hehe Jan 16 12:56:03 i must be blind.. how to see the history of a bug on bugzilla? like status/enhancement/milestone? Jan 16 12:56:27 wtf? i cannot see my shared shit on Ovi anymore! why did i use that ugly service at all? Jan 16 12:56:31 Luser, 'view bug activity' Jan 16 12:56:37 so there is no n900 video to fix stuck pixels? or perhaps a video with the same aspect ratio so it is downscaled? Jan 16 12:56:52 wat? Jan 16 12:57:17 dylanm, you can crop your original video so it scales to 800x480. Jan 16 12:57:26 back Jan 16 12:57:45 slonopotamus, thx. I need to be logged in then? cause I don't see it.. Jan 16 12:57:51 i onder how a video can fix stuck pixels? and if that works, can we get a video to remove bubbles from screen protectors Jan 16 12:58:09 lcuk, what's 'stuck pixels'? Jan 16 12:58:16 i dunno Jan 16 12:58:42 lcuk, but you were talking about them pretending you know :P Jan 16 12:58:50 nvm, i'll get help elsewhere Jan 16 12:59:36 dylanm, first you ask about fullscreen video Jan 16 12:59:39 ah. share.ovi.com still works, but it's just a different site with no link from ovi.com. *FAIL* *FACEPALM* Jan 16 12:59:45 the n900 doesnt appear to play video *not* fullscreen Jan 16 13:00:03 then you ask about one to remove something which is theoretically hardware related Jan 16 13:00:40 uh, then what about this: http://www.jscreenfix.com/video.php Jan 16 13:01:09 o_O Jan 16 13:01:55 uff... that f*** pixelpipe doesn't work :\ Jan 16 13:02:08 dylanm, o_O indeed, my eyes, the googles they do nothing! Jan 16 13:02:09 lcuk: some "stuck pixels" are revived after *a lot* of cycles of that pixel appearently Jan 16 13:02:11 it only uploads on Pixelpipe and not on pipes I've configured Jan 16 13:02:29 my eyes are dead after the same amount of cycles tho! Jan 16 13:03:01 ok dylanm so you want that video to play without any aspect ratio borders? Jan 16 13:03:05 so what should i do... grab the PAL version of the video and upscale it with handbrake? Jan 16 13:03:06 "Burnt-in areas should be noticeably improved within 12 hours" Jan 16 13:03:06 i hear there is a build of mplayer Jan 16 13:03:09 Yea right Jan 16 13:03:12 which has options for doing what you need Jan 16 13:03:17 slonopotamus, thx, yes i neede to be logged in.. found my 1 yo password Jan 16 13:03:35 +1 for mplayer Jan 16 13:03:44 +1 too Jan 16 13:04:01 it looks like the stuff they show aliens in close encounters :D Jan 16 13:04:09 i wonder what its embedding in your mind Jan 16 13:04:19 "these are not the stuck pixels you are looking for" Jan 16 13:04:47 :) Jan 16 13:05:05 dylanm, is it just random colors ? or is there a proper order Jan 16 13:05:12 lcuk: Don't they go for electric shock right away? Jan 16 13:05:16 lcuk, stop watching! Jan 16 13:05:41 WARNING: DO NOT LOOK INTO STUCKPIXELFIXVIDEO WITH REMAINING EYE!" Jan 16 13:05:53 i cant help it :'( Jan 16 13:05:54 how they made it loop, i wonder Jan 16 13:06:07 it says theres java versions Jan 16 13:06:12 lcuk, close 1 eye at least. Jan 16 13:06:14 i could push a liq* version in a few minutes doing similar Jan 16 13:06:23 but i fear for your eyes Jan 16 13:06:53 its like game of life on drugs Jan 16 13:07:16 there is a nice CA algorithm called 'rug' Jan 16 13:08:45 ok nvm the stuck/dead pixels on my n900's screen, could anyone tell me what's the best way to sync ogg/flac files to the n900? because songbird recodes them to wma Jan 16 13:09:58 is there anyone else that cannot make pixelpipe+twitpic work? Jan 16 13:12:30 lcuk: I am sure you can cycle those colors faster qith liqbase! Jan 16 13:12:32 with Jan 16 13:13:33 RedSky: scp Jan 16 13:13:49 how I type the ø letter in N900? Jan 16 13:13:58 RST38h, hell yeah! Jan 16 13:14:10 ie. the letter which is found from the "ö" button Jan 16 13:14:17 saltsa_: /o/ Jan 16 13:14:18 is the maemo sdk gui installer supposed to be this buggy? the captcha-portion of the wizard is horrible Jan 16 13:14:27 RedSky: rsync or scp :> Jan 16 13:15:23 saltsa_: type first the blue arrow and then strg - then you get an onscreen keyboard with that symbol Jan 16 13:15:34 yeah, how about an automatic way to sync those files? Jan 16 13:15:48 cron rsync? ;D Jan 16 13:15:49 i mean, including album art and such Jan 16 13:16:24 RedSky: when you load a album from jamendo the album art is included in the dir - that will be synced too Jan 16 13:17:03 lolwut Jan 16 13:17:54 Redhttp://www.markspace.com/gogadget/index.html <= RedSky thats sounds good Jan 16 13:18:06 i accidentally unplugged my charging cable,plugged it in again,the led started randomly blinking, so i pulled it off, it showed full battery, then i put it in and showed not a half of it... Jan 16 13:18:19 but i think its only for a mac Jan 16 13:18:35 PBeck, strg? Jan 16 13:18:38 RedSky, scp? :) Jan 16 13:19:00 or usb cable and cp? Jan 16 13:19:07 PBeck: it only syncs from within itunes Jan 16 13:19:07 saltsa_: oh - german - ctrl ;) Jan 16 13:19:10 saltsa_: or sym Jan 16 13:19:29 PBeck, that onscreen-keyboard doesn't show that ø character :/ Jan 16 13:19:38 PBeck: and yeah, it only runs on a mac Jan 16 13:20:20 RedSky: perhaps http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Wireless_Music_Sync_with_Amarok_1.4 RedSky perhaps that can be interesting too Jan 16 13:21:05 LuciusMare, you have idea how to get it? Jan 16 13:21:20 saltsa_: i seen in the right bottom corner - the last but one Jan 16 13:21:29 just wondering that there must be some way to produce that char 'cause it's printed on the keyboard Jan 16 13:21:45 PBeck: i run windows :s Jan 16 13:21:56 saltsa_: it's printed on the keyboard? Jan 16 13:22:06 PBeck: is there a windows version of amarok? Jan 16 13:22:33 PBeck: nvm, there is Jan 16 13:22:36 PBeck, jes. The key have "ö" at bottom left (normal press), "!" at upper right (blue arrow press) and the ø below the "!" Jan 16 13:22:55 RedSky: yes Jan 16 13:23:42 does anyone know how i can find out whether the n900 is on battery? Jan 16 13:23:48 PBeck: through "KDE for Windows"... is there any way to make Songbird sync my flac/ogg files to the n900? i'm kinda attached to that app Jan 16 13:23:52 PBeck, http://www.cs.hut.fi/~kirma/n900-nordic.jpg Jan 16 13:24:11 the key right from "L" Jan 16 13:25:03 . Jan 16 13:25:29 saltsa_: hum perhaps shift + ctrl + Ö? Jan 16 13:25:42 saltsa_: i haven't such a keyboard Jan 16 13:26:02 saltsa_: have you found anything in the instructions? Jan 16 13:26:55 PBeck, nothing works and i haven't the manual with me right now Jan 16 13:27:26 hi all, i was thinking to buy the N900, but I have a question. Is it possible to use it in portrait mode? and i'm talking about the maeome interface and its basic features, like phone, address book etc..is it possible? Jan 16 13:28:07 uh, just me or talk being reaaaaaaally slow atm? Jan 16 13:28:10 fen1x with the last update it's only possible in the browser Jan 16 13:28:18 fen1x: most builtin apps does NOT have portrait mode, so no Jan 16 13:28:45 fen1x: the phone app can be used in portrait too Jan 16 13:28:46 PBeck, but well, I don't need it very often and used the copypaste :) Jan 16 13:29:32 thanks. well, from your personal experience, is it convenient? doesn't it bother you sometimes, that most of the apps don't have portrait mode? as a phone, you would expect it to be easy to use with one hand as well.. Jan 16 13:30:02 saltsa_: where you have bougth your device - country? Jan 16 13:30:15 PBeck, finland and finnish layout is in use Jan 16 13:30:22 ~curse t.m.o Jan 16 13:30:23 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, t.m.o ! Jan 16 13:30:30 i needed that char only for one contact Jan 16 13:30:36 fen1x: i think it should be possible to use it in portrait - for example in the media player Jan 16 13:31:36 fen1x: only been annoyed once and that was trying to text with onehand in landscape, otherwise i havent really thought about it since i use it more as a computer than phone Jan 16 13:32:27 how about walking, when you carry something in one hand? Jan 16 13:32:34 Mhm...51-1 broke transparency on that little sliding icon in FBReader Jan 16 13:33:33 * pupnik_ smiles at vgba's fps counter Jan 16 13:34:07 the UI for configuration is good. Jan 16 13:34:18 did you see speedup with 51-1 RST38h ? Jan 16 13:34:23 nope Jan 16 13:34:27 was there a speedup? Jan 16 13:36:39 saltsa_: i can' read finnish -.- Jan 16 13:36:43 't Jan 16 13:36:56 saltsa_: and in the german manuel i think it' Jan 16 13:36:59 s not written Jan 16 13:37:20 PBeck: do you have a n900? Jan 16 13:37:41 xorAxAx: yes Jan 16 13:37:48 cool Jan 16 13:37:57 i can recommend qik, even though it isnt opensource Jan 16 13:38:58 xorAxAx: yes thats a nice application :) Jan 16 13:44:55 Stskeeps: around? Jan 16 13:45:37 wazd_e63: mm? Jan 16 13:46:30 Stskeeps: can you somehow share any marina deb now? Jan 16 13:46:56 Stskeeps: cause I have a small chance to see it myself) Jan 16 13:47:19 wazd_e63: ironically i am not at my desk :/ Jan 16 13:48:13 but hmm, sec Jan 16 13:48:14 Stskeeps: ah, damn Jan 16 13:48:45 saltsa_: that ø is probably only if you go into settings and choose that you want to type danish or norwegian Jan 16 13:49:42 especially if they use the same keyboard for all the nordic countries Jan 16 13:50:12 hi Jan 16 13:54:56 can you get ip for hatari.berlios.de? t-online.de DNS is not showing Jan 16 13:55:54 195.37.77.138 Jan 16 13:57:40 ty Jan 16 13:57:58 pupnik_, write an rfc for dns over irc Jan 16 13:57:59 i'm giving them a call. this is not acceptable Jan 16 13:58:10 lol lcuk Jan 16 13:58:20 ~curse talk.maemo.org for timing out Jan 16 13:58:21 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, talk.maemo.org for timing out ! Jan 16 13:59:00 X-Fade: if you get to update the interface can you let me know? Jan 16 13:59:20 so that I propose msn-pecan for extras-testing Jan 16 14:01:15 pupnik_, I'm at t online and it works Jan 16 14:05:30 see... Jan 16 14:07:29 wazd_e63: didnt update wallpaper but one of your templates. http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/hildon-theme-mermantle_3.2_all.deb Jan 16 14:08:15 wazd_e63: hope it works Jan 16 14:09:08 Stskeeps: is it mermantle or marina? Jan 16 14:10:02 now that maemo.org is fast talk. isnt loading that fast any more... grml Jan 16 14:10:44 xorAxAx: i havent changed name in mer yet due to lazyness Jan 16 14:11:48 little question, mameo will support mms soon ? Jan 16 14:13:10 trem: it does already Jan 16 14:13:43 trem, it has an implementation in progress. maemo community ftw! Jan 16 14:13:49 xorAxAx: so the N900 can do mms now ? Jan 16 14:13:58 fmms 0.1.11-1 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository \o/ Jan 16 14:14:00 Stskeeps: wow! 10 mb?) Jan 16 14:15:36 wazd_e63: themes are bloody huge Jan 16 14:16:27 Stskeeps: well, thanks anyway :) Jan 16 14:16:37 warning, not optified Jan 16 14:16:55 trem: yes, ask frals Jan 16 14:17:12 Stskeeps: nah, too expensive for me) Jan 16 14:17:14 it *can* do mms, but its not really stable yet :P Jan 16 14:17:18 wazd_e63: k Jan 16 14:18:17 is there a known problem on n800 where the wireless driver gets stucks. For me, I can make it live again when pinging from the n800 to the outside. it happens nearly everytime. wpa2. Jan 16 14:18:29 frals: N900 can do mms now ? Jan 16 14:18:37 trem: [15:17:14] it *can* do mms, but its not really stable yet :P Jan 16 14:18:50 Luser: Jan 16 14:18:57 ~wifi-psm Jan 16 14:18:58 well, wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) Jan 16 14:18:58 frals: sorry, I'm missed this line Jan 16 14:19:01 great :) Jan 16 14:19:24 Stskeeps, ok I'll try this again. thanks. Jan 16 14:19:36 ... Jan 16 14:19:37 Luser: read that page, it explains it Jan 16 14:32:33 Stskeeps, bingo. Have to add my router to the list. Speedport w 500v. Thanks. Hope it solves my upnp problems. Jan 16 14:36:10 Luser: btw, the symptoms you mention are typical on all psm Jan 16 14:36:46 if you ping -to- the n800, it will often not respond Jan 16 14:36:51 from will work Jan 16 14:37:07 its an artefact of the power saving Jan 16 14:38:07 anyone know about optification? Jan 16 14:38:09 Stskeeps, yes, it's 100% sure. I rebooted with psm, wait 1minute. connect to the ssh server, login takes about 30s. Rebooted, disabled psm and it's now very quick. so the n800 has been unused for months because of this.. pity. I will search if there's an update on the router (gpl inside) Jan 16 14:38:35 Luser: ok. did you read the description of psm? Jan 16 14:39:02 Luser: psm means the device will poll for new data when it makes sense Jan 16 14:39:23 which means outside connections often wont make it in Jan 16 14:39:43 it is very effective power sacing Jan 16 14:40:18 re optification, am I better to allow Octave to be auto-optified (what will this actually do) or to do ./configure --prefix=/opt/octave/ and then symlink the binary and change LD_LIBRARY_PATH? Jan 16 14:40:44 it is easy to run a ping if you want to force connection on Jan 16 14:41:09 Stskeeps, humm. "when it makes sense". so it's a bit flawed.. well, even in the application manager it sometimes lagged, probably waiting for an ack then. usually from maemo.org repo.. Jan 16 14:41:24 or should that be /opt/maemo in which case is /opt/maemo/bin placed in the path and /opt/maemo/lib in the library path? Jan 16 14:41:29 yes, my solution was a constant ping but.. not very nice.. Jan 16 14:41:54 Luser: maemo.org repo is another can of worms Jan 16 14:42:03 anyway this t online router is not good. Jan 16 14:42:30 Luser: but not being able to ssh to your device on psm when its idle is normal Jan 16 14:42:31 Stskeeps, yes, problem it was still not so good when i received my n800, 2 years ago. I see nothing it still is a bit the same.. Jan 16 14:43:05 ok thanks, I have to leave Jan 16 14:43:43 i am also curious about lardman's question Jan 16 14:44:12 what is /system/warranty gconf key that appeared in PR1.1 and why does it contain 'invalid'? Jan 16 14:44:12 gconftool-2 -g /system/warranty Jan 16 14:44:38 this worries me Jan 16 14:44:38 Hello! I wrote a little python application and want to add a application-icon to the menu. Where do I have to put the XY.desktop file on the device? Jan 16 14:44:42 i would prefer if builder optified for me Jan 16 14:45:12 maxxle: iirc /usr/share/applications/hildon/ but check that it's there Jan 16 14:45:27 pupnik_: auto option will do that, iirc. Jan 16 14:45:29 pupnik_: that would be fine if the paths are simply added Jan 16 14:46:08 lardman|home: this looks good! And where do i have to put the D-BUs-Service file? Jan 16 14:46:10 I wonder if debian/files can also contain directories Jan 16 14:46:53 X-Fade: i couldnt get debian/optify with 'auto' to work, which was a bit weird Jan 16 14:46:58 /usr/share/dbus-1/services ? Jan 16 14:47:00 Stskeeps: http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify/blobs/master/README Jan 16 14:47:02 X-Fade: on autobuilder Jan 16 14:47:05 Stskeeps: Checked that? Jan 16 14:47:11 yes Jan 16 14:47:57 Stskeeps: So you created the debian/optify file containing the word auto? Jan 16 14:48:03 X-Fade: right Jan 16 14:48:23 Stskeeps: Did you try setting optify as build-depends? Jan 16 14:48:54 X-Fade: hmm, guess not - thought autobuilder ran it as a post step when debian/optify Jan 16 14:49:11 lardman|home: If you using maemo-optify-deb (i.e. auto-optification), it'll go into /opt/maemo/usr/bin/octave, /opt/maemo/usr/share/... and /opt/maemo/usr/lib/...; with symlinks into the corresponding dirs under / Jan 16 14:49:26 Stskeeps: I have not kept up with that discussion. I was working on other things. Jan 16 14:49:34 Jaffa: why symlinks and not path addition? Jan 16 14:49:41 lardman|home: I do manual optification for all my homegrown apps, under /opt/; but for a port, I use auto-optification and not worry about it Jan 16 14:49:45 Stskeeps: But there must be packages using auto already? Jan 16 14:49:55 X-Fade: maemo-org tries Jan 16 14:50:05 lardman|home: Because as far as the app is aware, it can still access everything under /, rather than /opt/maemo Jan 16 14:50:07 but didnt show up as optified Jan 16 14:50:11 Jaffa: Octave contains many many .m script files, can I auto-optify the whole directory they live in rather than symlinking each one? Jan 16 14:50:29 Stskeeps: If there's any /opt entry already, "auto" mode does nothing Jan 16 14:50:33 lardman|home: afaik, dirs are not symlinked. Jan 16 14:50:41 lardman|home: It'll do a dir if it's the name of the package IIRC Jan 16 14:50:49 Jaffa: no /opt nor maemo-optify build dep Jan 16 14:50:51 lardman|home: Creates loops etc. Jan 16 14:50:59 hmm, this will be painful then Jan 16 14:51:22 lardman|home: Why is the script symlinking each one painful *for you*? Jan 16 14:51:26 is there like an information page on how to optify in practice for maemo.org builder? Jan 16 14:51:30 so I would be better to optify manually then and create my own symlinks for the binary and libs Jan 16 14:51:44 Stskeeps: I think there is wiki page. Jan 16 14:51:50 Jaffa: not for me, but it will take a long while to create all the links Jan 16 14:51:55 Stskeeps: But as said, I really haven't touched this. Jan 16 14:52:28 X-Fade: yeah.. good job on the server move :) Jan 16 14:54:31 There's http://wiki.maemo.org/Opt_Problem IIRC, but I've not really read it Jan 16 14:55:16 does anyone know off the top of their heads how the optification heuristic works? Jan 16 14:55:19 Stskeeps: Not done yet, but starting to look ok. Jan 16 14:55:20 is it per-file size? Jan 16 14:56:20 e.g. I have ~1k scripts totalling 4MB Jan 16 14:56:30 would that get auto-optified? Jan 16 15:01:24 lardman|home, in your case, optifying the whole folder owuld be beneficial if you can do it from the package side Jan 16 15:01:32 automatically install directly to /opt Jan 16 15:01:36 and add a single symlink Jan 16 15:01:51 if you are in control of it it will be simplest for your thinking Jan 16 15:02:04 surely easier to just install everything to /opt/octave/ then make symlinks for the binary and libs? Jan 16 15:02:06 * lcukx200_ is looking at similar things atm Jan 16 15:02:10 yes Jan 16 15:02:13 is just a pita Jan 16 15:02:27 * lcukx200_ nods Jan 16 15:02:38 modifying path would be easier for most packages I imagine Jan 16 15:02:45 * frals just installs everything to /opt/fmms and skips the symlink Jan 16 15:02:47 is tmo slow for anyone else? Jan 16 15:02:59 lardman, it depends on how app is put together Jan 16 15:03:07 frals: how do you run things? Jan 16 15:03:21 frals: not in the path, so directly from the .desktop file? Jan 16 15:03:24 yeah Jan 16 15:03:26 frals: no libs? Jan 16 15:03:41 only depends on libs in pythons path Jan 16 15:03:56 which is why its so easy for me i guess Jan 16 15:03:59 I guess I could create a script wrapper to modify LD_LIBRARY_PATH Jan 16 15:04:20 but then again Octave has no GUI, so people will need to be able to run it from the term, so that's out :( Jan 16 15:04:36 just a symlink from exe to your /opt subdir Jan 16 15:04:56 needs libraries too Jan 16 15:05:12 those too! but i thought you were only thinking about its data at first Jan 16 15:05:25 I was wondering what would be easiest Jan 16 15:05:32 and require the least hacking around of the build scripts Jan 16 15:08:45 Oh crap. Jan 16 15:08:48 lardman|home: setting rpath is probably cleaner than making wrappers Jan 16 15:09:13 what's rpath? Jan 16 15:09:29 * lardman|home only has vague ideas about it Jan 16 15:09:31 a compiled-in library search path Jan 16 15:09:38 ah I see Jan 16 15:09:51 X-Fade, that sounds a bit worrysome Jan 16 15:09:57 It is. Jan 16 15:10:00 :( Jan 16 15:10:01 villager: that sounds useful Jan 16 15:10:06 run out of coffee? Jan 16 15:10:31 lardman|home: not usually trivial to set though Jan 16 15:10:53 * frals ponders if the "Oh crap" has anything to do with build list not updating on maemo.org/packages Jan 16 15:10:56 No, storage on one of the new boxes just hangs. Not sure if it is fiber or network connected, but it is blocking. Jan 16 15:11:14 Affects garage and repository. Jan 16 15:11:27 villager: as I need to symlink the binary anyway, I'll have a go symlinking the libs too Jan 16 15:11:32 only 3 of them iirc Jan 16 15:15:53 * xorAxAx is still fighting with wesnoth Jan 16 15:16:18 xorAxAx: isn't that what it's normally used for? ;) Jan 16 15:20:01 Well, that was awesome) Jan 16 15:20:30 Mini maemo summit) Jan 16 15:21:36 wazd: Was that abbra visiting? Jan 16 15:22:21 RsT38h: well, me and Vlad were picking ddp devices here Jan 16 15:22:40 i thought ab is back in .fi :) Jan 16 15:23:05 Rst38h: and bought used n800 from gLobster Jan 16 15:23:10 Rst38h: abbra?) Jan 16 15:25:17 wazd: Oh you finally picked a DDP device? Jan 16 15:25:27 * RST38h expects themes =) Jan 16 15:25:37 Well, not for myself) Jan 16 15:25:53 But you can still expect themes) Jan 16 15:27:17 Reconnect Jan 16 15:28:05 <|R_> Isn't there a category for filling bugs for OVI store apps? Jan 16 15:28:40 <|R> backgammon needs a bug report, it crashes and makes stones disapear :P Jan 16 15:29:49 True Jan 16 15:29:58 First makes stones disappear, THEN crashes Jan 16 15:30:11 + some UI elements get stuck when touched Jan 16 15:30:23 <|R> well even once at the end of the game it crashed without magic stone tricks hehe Jan 16 15:30:49 Gah, the maemo repositories are so crappy. Jan 16 15:30:59 <|R> But where would i fill this bug, in extras / games I don't seem t be able to create a new category for it Jan 16 15:31:10 Jef91, :) Jan 16 15:31:57 doh Jan 16 15:32:14 Every time I try to apt-get update, something fails. Jan 16 15:32:17 Its beyond annoying Jan 16 15:32:18 maemo.org/extras devel/extras testing repos dont work for me Jan 16 15:32:23 :< Jan 16 15:32:51 torindel - I just ran update from terminal now, checking which repos fail Jan 16 15:33:00 I wanted to install fmms this morning :-/ Jan 16 15:33:32 <|R> https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?classification=Extras <- can anyone create "products" for all the ovi apps here? Jan 16 15:33:35 everyone that manages to install fmms, find out frals phone number and send him a thank you mms Jan 16 15:33:35 Jef91: you're saying that from console apt-get it works not from gui thingy? Jan 16 15:33:44 lol lcuk Jan 16 15:33:52 torindel - trying it now. Jan 16 15:34:08 frals, i want to see a gallery - seriously now, the more i think of it, the cooler it would be :D Jan 16 15:34:26 anyone know what's up with the appliction manager? Jan 16 15:34:27 if i had a spare device id get a pay as you go sim and set it up Jan 16 15:34:27 lol :) Jan 16 15:34:28 it's being very weird Jan 16 15:34:52 as much as trust this community i rather not have my personal cellnumber floating around that much ;) Jan 16 15:35:07 adalal: assuming its appliction manager and not repos themselfes Jan 16 15:35:11 |R: and who would read the bug reports? Jan 16 15:35:18 -e Jan 16 15:35:19 frals, understood :D let us know when you do get a spare sim sorted tho Jan 16 15:35:27 * gevaerts suspects that X-Fade's latest remarks explain the repository issues right now Jan 16 15:35:48 gevaerts What remark was that, I just got here Jan 16 15:35:57 <|R> xorAxAx: well, those who make them hopefully... Jan 16 15:36:08 < X-Fade> No, storage on one of the new boxes just hangs. Not sure if it is fiber or network connected, but it is blocking. Jan 16 15:36:08 |R: lol Jan 16 15:36:11 < X-Fade> Affects garage and repository. Jan 16 15:36:12 <|R> xorAxAx: one centralised place to receive specific critic might help them :) Jan 16 15:36:22 torindel: is there a way to confirm that? Jan 16 15:36:29 if I do something like this: for file in /opt/octave/bin/octave* ; do Jan 16 15:36:33 <|R> but ok then, i'll go rant on their home page ;) Jan 16 15:36:41 will ${file} contain the whole path? Jan 16 15:36:45 frals, ontop of everything else, once you have an mms from everywhere in the world, you know the database is complete Jan 16 15:36:52 before then, its just idle banter lol Jan 16 15:36:53 adalal: lets wait for Jef91 to try apt-get from console Jan 16 15:36:54 lcuk: haha Jan 16 15:37:42 * lcuk prepares to break his device Jan 16 15:37:47 Apt-get from terminal appears to fail as well heh Jan 16 15:37:49 adalal: altroo yesterday it worked fine for me, when some ppl started complaining about non-working application-manager Jan 16 15:38:06 lcuk - reflashing is easy ;) Jan 16 15:38:21 torindel: i'll try apt-get update from console as well i suppose Jan 16 15:38:24 I can reflash with out the wiki page now I've bricked my phone so many times Jan 16 15:38:29 does reflashing fix /opt Jan 16 15:38:33 or do the contents remain Jan 16 15:38:40 lcuk - define fix /opy Jan 16 15:38:44 Jef91: xD Jan 16 15:38:49 empty it Jan 16 15:38:50 /opt* Jan 16 15:38:52 clear it out Jan 16 15:38:56 reset it Jan 16 15:39:01 lcuk - only if you reflash the eMMC Jan 16 15:39:02 neutralize Jan 16 15:39:04 which wipes out all user data Jan 16 15:39:08 exterminate Jan 16 15:39:09 and defaults the device Jan 16 15:39:23 so i would have problems if i did a clone to mmc Jan 16 15:39:30 mkfs.ext3 is on the root filesystem, so fixing /opt is easy :) Jan 16 15:39:31 because the clone would be trying to use the /opt Jan 16 15:39:35 lcuk: you can always install sudo gainroot thingy, umount it, mkfs on it, mount it back Jan 16 15:39:38 that the main system uses too Jan 16 15:39:58 gevaerts isn't it mkfs.ext2 -j ? Jan 16 15:40:13 Jef91: thats same as mkfs.ext3 ;] Jan 16 15:40:18 Jef91: is there a real difference? Jan 16 15:40:34 gevaerts: nope Jan 16 15:40:35 right Jef91 Jan 16 15:40:35 It also has mkfs.ext4 if you prefer :) Jan 16 15:40:41 so if i reflash i wont fix it Jan 16 15:40:48 since im doing something with /opt Jan 16 15:41:15 * lcuk looks skyward Jan 16 15:41:21 o really? Jan 16 15:41:28 supports ext4 now? Jan 16 15:41:28 well if /opt remains Jan 16 15:41:31 and i reflash Jan 16 15:41:35 and reflash and reflash Jan 16 15:41:43 it wont be reset so will become bloated Jan 16 15:41:50 Jef91: I wouldn't use ext4 on 2.6.28, but you can try I guess Jan 16 15:41:54 with stuff from previous incarnations Jan 16 15:42:12 torindel: the repostiories are out! argh Jan 16 15:42:51 I suspect that mkfs.ext4 is mainly there because you get that if you build e2fsprogs Jan 16 15:43:08 adalal: surely that's better than things not working because your phone is broken? Jan 16 15:44:34 * gevaerts wants more angry birds levels Jan 16 15:46:46 gevaerts, got 3 stars on all? :) Jan 16 15:46:51 apt-get update is still running /sigh Jan 16 15:46:54 does this look reasonable as a postinst script?: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m71bbca03 Jan 16 15:46:57 slonopotamus: yes, all three worlds :) Jan 16 15:47:22 Jef91: did it manage to connect to repos? xD Jan 16 15:47:42 and the accompanying prerm script: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m1a2c571 Jan 16 15:47:42 gevaerts: yes, but it's annoying nonetheless Jan 16 15:47:48 torindel - it hasen't told me any of them failed to connect yet... Jan 16 15:48:18 Jef91: well for me i got to wait about 2mins till application manager tells me that it failed to connect to all 3 -__- Jan 16 15:48:22 anybody know how much it costs to mail a letter? I have $0.37 stamps Jan 16 15:48:31 http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/13/nokias-maemo-ovi-store-looking-rickety-beta-label-well-deser/ Jan 16 15:48:33 Wonderful Jan 16 15:48:37 it goes up every other week so i don't even know how much it costs to mail a letter heh Jan 16 15:48:44 Jef91: i tried pinging the repository.maemo.org Jan 16 15:48:51 Nobody thought of having to distribute paid stuff via open repos? :) Jan 16 15:48:56 RST38h: like the android market? Jan 16 15:48:57 heh Jan 16 15:48:58 Stskeeps: whats the ETA of marina in the repos? Jan 16 15:49:19 oh do they mean the actual store? :) Jan 16 15:49:23 i guess the actual market app isn't too bad Jan 16 15:49:23 RST38h: but they are hidden!111eleven Jan 16 15:50:25 Macer: it costs 36p i think to post first class envelope Jan 16 15:51:18 heh Jan 16 15:51:20 in the US? Jan 16 15:51:25 i think it's 42 cents Jan 16 15:51:28 Macer: you didn't specify that! Jan 16 15:51:36 i figured the $ kind of gave it away ;) Jan 16 15:51:37 ah Jan 16 15:51:37 lol Jan 16 15:51:57 it's ok though. i'll just put 2 37 cent stamps on it Jan 16 15:52:05 if it costs more than that.. then fuck the usps Jan 16 15:52:08 haha Jan 16 15:58:55 when gcc links, the order of the object files is important isn't it? Should a fn provider static lib be located before an object file that uses said fn? Jan 16 16:10:32 lardman|home: i think its only important when there multiple objects that define a certain name Jan 16 16:10:36 frak, isn repository.maemo.org down? Jan 16 16:10:37 symbol that is Jan 16 16:10:46 lardman|home: after I think Jan 16 16:11:26 yeah, that's what I think too Jan 16 16:11:30 lardman|home: gcc keeps a list of undefined symbols and pulls them in from any lib defining them as it moves along the list of libraries Jan 16 16:11:33 lardman|home: it shouldnt be important Jan 16 16:11:40 or rather ld Jan 16 16:11:58 though trying to find the particular Makefile to modify in lapack is quite hard Jan 16 16:12:02 lardman|home: unless you use -Wl,--as-needed in LDFLAGS Jan 16 16:12:16 but thats due to bugs in ld Jan 16 16:12:25 is anyone able to download this file: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/r/recorder/recorder_0.3.4_armel.deb Jan 16 16:12:47 http://maemo.pastebin.com/m2a3040e5 Jan 16 16:13:11 pierlux_: We're having a problem at the origin server for the repository. Jan 16 16:13:13 pierlux: nope, is there another server move going on? Jan 16 16:13:14 so I'm guessing I need the libf2c.a at the end Jan 16 16:13:18 Bleh, super annoying the repos are down again. Guess I actually go do my Linear Algebra homework instead of playing with fMMS Jan 16 16:13:55 X-Fade, just the one day I really needed to download apps ;-) no body has got access to the files? I don't have my laptop with to generate a package from source Jan 16 16:16:48 Jef91: i'd tell you where to get the latest deb, but i know how *fun* linear algebra is so... ;-) Jan 16 16:17:25 frals - I cannot get repository.maemo.org to open either... Jan 16 16:17:27 Jef91: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=1210&release_id=3126 (worksforme) Jan 16 16:17:49 frals i need fapn as well - is it on the garage? Jan 16 16:18:00 hi Jan 16 16:18:06 negative, ill see if i can mirror the latest deb somewhere Jan 16 16:18:33 is it just me, or did "repositories.maemo.org" repo broke a few minutes ago? Jan 16 16:18:37 (extras-devel) Jan 16 16:18:42 Jef91: http://mms.frals.se/fapn_0.5-1_all.deb Jan 16 16:18:44 arachnist:hi Jan 16 16:19:41 your the best frals :) Jan 16 16:20:02 arachnist, yes it doesn't work for me either Jan 16 16:20:15 * torindel yawns at arachnist Jan 16 16:20:55 * arachnist yawns at thuttu77 Jan 16 16:21:02 * arachnist yawns at torindel Jan 16 16:21:05 sorry, tabfail Jan 16 16:21:43 whois tabfail lol Jan 16 16:23:21 frals:mms work since of installed fapn on n900? Jan 16 16:24:25 uh, fMMS is the package that enables mms send & receive, but it's very much alpha and might kill your device or other bad stuff :) Jan 16 16:24:59 frals: how does it hook into maemo for mms receive? Jan 16 16:25:05 I may look later today to order a Nokia N900. It is much pricier than I can afford and I'm trying to rationalize this purchase telling myself I have not bought any electronic device in a long time and that there is no other item available right now that is interesting to me. Nothing exciting has come out of the CES except maybe Intel CPUs but a new PC will have to wait until summer when I get more money and USB3, SATA3 and SSDs are more Jan 16 16:25:18 xorAxAx: wappushd Jan 16 16:25:21 frals - I need python-conic for fMMS, what package is that in? Jan 16 16:25:48 Jef91: its in python-conic... in the repos :P Jan 16 16:26:08 uhsf - honestly the N900 isn't any more costly than most other high end smart phones Jan 16 16:26:15 frals *face plam* Jan 16 16:26:16 uhsf, i just said to myself its not a phone its a pocket puter that has a phone app Jan 16 16:26:43 DangerMaus - thats cheaper than the iPhone :P Jan 16 16:26:47 And faster... Jan 16 16:26:51 and i just didnt build a new gaming box Jan 16 16:26:54 And more storage... Jan 16 16:27:07 yepyep Jan 16 16:27:20 and much better screen Jan 16 16:27:43 both my brothers have iPhails and the 800x480 screen is sooo nice in comparison Jan 16 16:27:57 thats all i could come up with on dec1 when i realized nokia had them in stock Jan 16 16:29:05 Jef91, me mum just got an iphone without a data pkg... dont ask me how might have to do with the senior plan Jan 16 16:29:24 just using it as a phone Jan 16 16:29:37 Heh, my younger brother did that for a long time. Jan 16 16:29:43 Theres Wifi everywhere... Jan 16 16:29:53 yep Jan 16 16:29:54 (Plus Data plans on AT&T are stupid expensive) Jan 16 16:30:09 AT&T wanted 60$/month for a tether data plan on my N900 Jan 16 16:30:22 I told them to kindly stick it where the sun doesn't shine Jan 16 16:30:24 i find the 900 to be the best war driving device it locks to any open wifi Jan 16 16:31:33 DangerMaus - fact. Jan 16 16:31:33 if you provide a repo, how should users install your gpg key Jan 16 16:31:35 ?\ Jan 16 16:31:48 * DangerMaus did tmobile theytaged the acct as a smart phone and no issues got the full 3.5g in chicago and sporatic 3.5 where i live more popping up everyday Jan 16 16:31:50 That reminds me - I need to look into setting up AirSnort on the n900 Jan 16 16:32:19 DangerMaus - you live near Chicago? I'm on the south side thehehe Jan 16 16:32:24 DangerMaus: with which app are you wardriving? Jan 16 16:32:43 I guess I need someone with a talk account Jan 16 16:32:56 is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7997#c2 anchor navigation, as opposed to loading a new page? Jan 16 16:32:57 Bug 7997: Browser retains zoom status in followed links Jan 16 16:32:59 dont need to look for things to lockon to it just dose Jan 16 16:33:15 Does anyone know if the maemo server reconfiguration has completed? Jan 16 16:33:16 or, I imagine it may be anchor nav and page nav depending on the case, even Jan 16 16:33:31 Jef91, i live in milwaukee my rents live on the north side Jan 16 16:33:48 DangerMaus, ahh very good. I get 3.5 in most places round where I live Jan 16 16:34:00 Although its really not that fast... only 100kb/sec download Jan 16 16:34:37 Anyone know off hand what libc6 version debia etch uses? Jan 16 16:34:45 though on the little panel at the top of screen hit network it'll list all the available networks Jan 16 16:34:57 homeasvs, using apt-key Jan 16 16:35:23 Luser, there is no non-command-line way to do it ? Jan 16 16:35:47 Jef91, http://packages.debian.org/etch/libc6 Jan 16 16:35:52 Jef91, that sounds more like the 3g Jan 16 16:36:14 regarding the problem of repository.maemo.org, I've found that adding Acquire::http::Retries "3"; and Acquire::http::timeout "10"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf/20timeout helps Jan 16 16:36:26 hrm, phone said 3.5 xD - at any rate I will give the iPhone this - my brother gets around 270kb/sec download with it Jan 16 16:39:02 test wise it says im getting 941kb/s / 351kb/s Jan 16 16:40:47 Like via speed test? Jan 16 16:40:59 Because if so that translates to 100kb/sec download Jan 16 16:41:22 heh Jan 16 16:41:56 should be quicker Jan 16 16:43:16 anyone knows a _reliable_ upnp server to stream music under linux or windows? Jan 16 16:43:42 then like 1500kb/s wifi Jan 16 16:43:54 Is there anyone online who is familiar with thr process for registering ssh public keys for a maemo garage account? Jan 16 16:43:57 but that is mucked up atm Jan 16 16:44:09 any Canadian over here? Jan 16 16:45:12 anyone knows, why repository.maemo.org is unavailable and when it is expected to get online? Jan 16 16:46:02 akashihi it is offline cause Nokia blows Jan 16 16:46:14 Its expected back online sometime after the 14th coming of Christ ;) Jan 16 16:46:27 http://mirrors.nic.funet.fi/pub/OpenBSD/songs/ Jan 16 16:47:08 Jef91: oh, long time to wait :-) Jan 16 16:49:20 type_t, yes not bad :) Jan 16 16:49:40 is xchat hildonized? Jan 16 16:50:00 i think i might have an old version vs the ver on maemo.org Jan 16 16:50:08 front page Jan 16 16:50:12 not very Jan 16 16:51:02 Kamui: why not ssh+screen+irssi? ;] Jan 16 16:52:16 is repository.maemo down, or have i broken my phone? Jan 16 16:52:50 troff76: it seems so Jan 16 16:52:51 troff76, It seems like a lot of the maemo servers are messed up. Jan 16 16:53:25 <__ibz> any mutt users available? Jan 16 16:54:04 and i am not allowed to login to talk.maemo.org Jan 16 16:54:17 KenYoung, troff76: server move still in progress Jan 16 16:54:27 i see Jan 16 16:54:36 troff76: You have been naughty. Jan 16 16:54:45 Stskeeps, Any estimates availbalbe for when the move will be completed? Jan 16 16:54:49 troff76: That is the punishment for your sins. Jan 16 16:54:52 naughty? how? Jan 16 16:55:18 troff76: REPENT! Jan 16 16:55:40 Stskeeps, Do you know if a notice will be posted somewhere when the move is complete? Jan 16 16:55:46 KenYoung: DNS is a horrible thing so within 72 hours after yesterday Jan 16 16:56:04 also akamai was messing with .gz files (bad for apt) Jan 16 16:56:10 Stskeeps, OK, thanks for the info!. Jan 16 16:56:33 follow #maemork on qaiku and the server move thread on talk Jan 16 17:00:35 is it just me that can't access the maemo rep? Jan 16 17:00:50 You have also been naughty. Jan 16 17:01:09 You should read the N900 user manual cover to cover, three times in a row. Jan 16 17:01:10 hmm Jan 16 17:01:19 RST38h, even the parts in french? Jan 16 17:01:20 apt-get dist-upgrade seems to take quite a bit time Jan 16 17:01:21 torindel: personally i like xchat more. Jan 16 17:01:26 cb22: Correct. Jan 16 17:01:32 thought so Jan 16 17:01:36 (on the N900) Jan 16 17:01:39 explains why i havent had any problems Jan 16 17:03:08 * SpeedEvil found his BT headphones after ages. Jan 16 17:03:17 And finds they are fucked - as the battery is flat. Jan 16 17:03:23 * SpeedEvil hates li-ion in some ways. Jan 16 17:03:52 * adalal likes lions though :P Jan 16 17:04:09 but, anyone having problems with the repositories at the moment? Jan 16 17:04:23 adalal: server move still in progress Jan 16 17:04:26 KenYoung: DNS is a horrible thing so within 72 hours after yesterday Jan 16 17:04:33 er, adalal Jan 16 17:04:40 follow #maemork on qaiku and the server move thread on talk Jan 16 17:04:45 SpeedEvil, grab some generic li-ions and cram them in there? Jan 16 17:04:47 ah okay thanks Jan 16 17:05:00 although with something like bluetooth headphones, i wouldnt want them exploiding... Jan 16 17:05:56 Don't know for the n900 but at least for the n8x0 apt is using the default timeout/retry and that makes the app manager hang badly, you can lower them : http://pastebin.com/m34404c5 Jan 16 17:06:14 hmm, I need a bug comment containing a "bug nnn comment ccc" link Jan 16 17:14:20 lo__: what's your definition of _reliable_? -> coherence-project.org, runs even on the tablet Jan 16 17:14:32 hmm, gpe calendar seems to have a huge bug Jan 16 17:15:45 Stskeeps, ping Jan 16 17:15:46 aah, no, scratch that, maemo has a huge bug :) Jan 16 17:15:54 Hi, its already a week that I try to move my contacts from my old phone to N900 via bluetooth, the problem that I face: "not enough space". I assume that my old phone reports wrong file size. Is there a way to deactivate file size check on bluetooth? Jan 16 17:17:33 dev, I had problems with ushare. coherence I tried but didnt really get it how it was working :) thanks I'll recheck Jan 16 17:21:14 hmm, alright, yes, it's gpe calendar, it's ignoring LC_MESSAGES Jan 16 17:21:22 so the friggin' interface is in Spanish :( Jan 16 17:21:48 cb22: possibly. Jan 16 17:22:03 cb22: or 1*18650 on each side for balance. Jan 16 17:22:17 is it possible at all to deactivate file size check in bluetooth? Jan 16 17:25:06 hum my ogg files will not be shown in the mediaplayer? Jan 16 17:25:38 did you install ogg-support? Jan 16 17:26:11 anyone using openvpn? the applet doesn't ask me for the password of my p12 file. using test throws "password can not be verified". on the console it works perfectly. any ideas maybe? Jan 16 17:26:23 yes, i can play the files through the filemanager Jan 16 17:26:44 :/ Jan 16 17:27:53 can i optify /usr/bin or /usr/lib Jan 16 17:28:11 or rather, if i do, will bad things happen Jan 16 17:28:18 PBeck: it can take some time for them to appear is Media Player because Tracker must first find and index them Jan 16 17:28:39 kulve: i have started tracker manually but it do not work Jan 16 17:32:21 any ideas? Jan 16 17:35:19 is my assumption correct? Jan 16 17:35:28 zeev: probably yes Jan 16 17:35:55 unless thats closed source part and dont have option to at all ;p Jan 16 17:35:58 so is there a way to deactivate file size check? Jan 16 17:36:34 bluetooth part in N900 is closed source?? Jan 16 17:38:48 afaik they use bluez like any other distro Jan 16 17:40:00 it uses bluez Jan 16 17:40:10 so is there an option to deactivate file size check on recieving? Jan 16 17:40:28 hmm don't know Jan 16 17:40:33 repository.maemo.org still unresolvable? Jan 16 17:40:33 that is not part of bluez Jan 16 17:40:56 same Jan 16 17:41:11 redeeman: but of what? what checks the size of the file recieved via bluetooth? Jan 16 17:41:16 Mozillion: i think it's cuz of the DNS propagation time.. it can take up to 72 hours looking up at the root-server records Jan 16 17:41:33 zeev: whichever app they have listening to the dbus events from bluez, don't know which it is Jan 16 17:42:02 resolves to 80.248.164.237 here Jan 16 17:42:04 file manager? Jan 16 17:42:19 zeev: i do not know what is listening to it and providing the dialog Jan 16 17:42:34 I assume its file manager Jan 16 17:42:48 is there an option to deactivate file size checking? Jan 16 17:43:11 80.248.164.237 here as well.... seems that's an old record? Jan 16 17:43:23 redeeman: can you ping the server? or connect to it Jan 16 17:43:39 can not connect Jan 16 17:44:20 dns propagation will take a while... Jan 16 17:45:17 Any idea how to deactivate file size check in file manager (for copying to a location)? Jan 16 17:45:25 someone should have lowered the TTLs long before the move... Would have mitigated slow "dns propogation" issues when the servers were moved Jan 16 17:45:58 s/someone/domain owner/ Jan 16 17:45:59 mtnbkr meant: domain owner should have lowered the TTLs long before the move... Would have mitigated slow "dns propogation" issues when the servers were moved Jan 16 17:46:01 is there a manual way to lower them after? Jan 16 17:46:14 or request to lower them Jan 16 17:46:31 Sure, but it still takes the old TTL time to propagate the new TTL... so no Jan 16 17:46:56 adalal: won't matter. if TTL for a host is 7 days, and your ISP's dns server (or your own) will have cahced the 7 day TTL and will keep handing you that IP until the 7 days are up... Jan 16 17:47:35 mtnbkr: unless the dns server admin updates it right? i have my own dns server at home Jan 16 17:47:41 wazd: Around? Jan 16 17:47:43 so, someone should have lowered the TTLs to an hour or less at least 7 days prior to the move (if the TTL was 7 days... I am just using that as an example) Jan 16 17:48:12 hm can someone test https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/imlib2/ Jan 16 17:48:18 if the url works Jan 16 17:48:26 moo rst Jan 16 17:48:34 well, i suppose i can update my own records right? if i have my own dns server... mtnbkr Jan 16 17:48:34 hey awoglinde Jan 16 17:48:45 woglinde_: what ip does that resolve to? Jan 16 17:48:51 adalal: or, if you know the new ip, you can add it to your hosts file. Jan 16 17:48:54 rst is the icon in xchat debin/control file working? Jan 16 17:49:00 are the USB port(s) of the device provided by CPU on-chip support ? how many native independant ports does it have? Jan 16 17:49:07 mtnbkr: might as well update it on my dns server... Jan 16 17:49:13 adalal is garage Jan 16 17:49:21 other grarage sites are working Jan 16 17:49:32 woglinde_: not working for me Jan 16 17:49:47 how do I check options of the File Manager what is its command line name? Jan 16 17:50:06 heh, ns.nokia.com is returning NXDOMAIN Jan 16 17:50:07 woglinde_: im supposing that either mine, or the google servers doesn't have the updated records Jan 16 17:50:08 here it hangs Jan 16 17:50:28 ShadowJK_: yes, still! Jan 16 17:50:38 ShadowJK_, ns.nokia.com not for me status: NOERROR, ns.nokia.com. 86400 IN A 131.228.20.19 Jan 16 17:50:50 woglinde_: can u send me the IP address the garage site goes to? Jan 16 17:50:51 ShadowJK_: it resolves to 131.228.20.19 here. Jan 16 17:51:02 I mean I queried ns.nokia.com for repository.maemo.org., and the nokia nameserver said NXDOMAIN Jan 16 17:51:08 woglinde: yes, why shouldn't it? Jan 16 17:51:16 ShadowJK_: oh gotcha! Jan 16 17:51:42 i can't even ping ns.nokia.com Jan 16 17:51:44 so if the NS servers are not saying it correctly, how can it ever propagate Jan 16 17:52:01 adalal: nah.. that is anti-DoS.. refusing pings Jan 16 17:52:02 probably Jan 16 17:52:03 reminds me of a favorite saying of mine: Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance Jan 16 17:52:04 RST38h hm I think its the small one as in diablo Jan 16 17:52:22 wheres the tutorial flash thingy stored? Jan 16 17:52:27 there is no dns record for repository.maemo.org Jan 16 17:52:29 and fremantle should have 45x45 or so Jan 16 17:52:34 woglinde: Oh, you want a bigger icon... Jan 16 17:52:38 no Jan 16 17:52:42 I only asking Jan 16 17:52:52 ok.. yeah it is .. BUT Jan 16 17:52:53 ; <<>> DiG 9.6.1-P2 <<>> -x repository.maemo.org @ns.nokia.com Jan 16 17:52:53 ;; global options: +cmd Jan 16 17:52:53 ;; Got answer: Jan 16 17:52:53 ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 7817 Jan 16 17:52:53 ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 Jan 16 17:52:55 ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available Jan 16 17:53:07 i noticed that some places accept big icons Jan 16 17:53:10 greap, gpe calendar doesn't have a working bugzilla Jan 16 17:53:10 and others dont Jan 16 17:53:28 * RST38h wonders what makes people ping repositories long after these people have been told that repositories are down Jan 16 17:53:32 * lcukx200_ should file this after work Jan 16 17:53:34 Why not wait until the morning? Jan 16 17:54:03 RST38h, "did you hear *RANDOMDOMAIN* is under DOS attack?" "really? f5f5f5f5f5 yeah you are right..." Jan 16 17:54:11 RST38h: the repositories are supposed to be up by now lol Jan 16 17:54:13 apt-get update on my updated scratchbox yields a lot of "302 found" messages, warning about that it can't stat source package lists on some repositories, finally failing at an error that it can't update some index files Jan 16 17:54:24 anyone have an idea what's going on? Jan 16 17:54:37 Wolfie - yep Nokia repos suck Jan 16 17:54:43 Been down all morning Jan 16 17:54:51 my esbox project can't be compiled, because the scratchbox update erased all qt4-libraries, so i'm pretty much stuck Jan 16 17:54:55 ffs Jan 16 17:55:03 Jef91, please refrain from saying they suck Jan 16 17:55:11 Wolfie: either the repositories are down, or the DNS propagation has failed.. or not taken place yet Jan 16 17:55:12 lcukx200_: they induce a low pressure? Jan 16 17:55:13 they are being upgraded for your benefit Jan 16 17:55:18 Wolfie - join the club. We have T-Shirts Jan 16 17:55:19 lcukx200_: re: DDOS attack lol Jan 16 17:55:48 lcukx200_: so, it's a matter of waiting it out? thanks Jan 16 17:55:51 im surprised they dont have a fallback server Jan 16 17:55:52 its gets worse when the web sites cotton on Jan 16 17:56:02 "omg the massive DOS attack on *RANDOMDOMAIN* Jan 16 17:56:02 does anybody know anything about /usr/local/share/locale/ ? and how files like usr/local/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/xyz.mo work? thats gettext? glibc? Jan 16 17:56:18 btw, anyone knows where the nokia ringtone is stored? Jan 16 17:56:25 yes Wolfie Jan 16 17:56:31 odin_ gettext makes the .mo Jan 16 17:56:32 it will all be better soon :) Jan 16 17:56:46 where can i get the tutorial applet from Jan 16 17:56:48 and your libintl implementation makes it work Jan 16 17:57:02 glibc/eglibc has its own libintl Jan 16 17:57:09 so the one from gettext ist not used Jan 16 17:57:28 but why is it in usr/local? Jan 16 17:57:31 adalal, /home/user/.local/share/sounds/NokiaTune.aac.wav ?? Jan 16 17:57:40 i'll check Jan 16 17:57:50 hm Jan 16 17:57:59 whats now wrong with garage Jan 16 17:58:17 prolly the same as other stuff Jan 16 17:58:20 woglinde_ garage was working for me as of a half out ago Jan 16 17:58:21 woglinde_, why should it not be in /usr/local/ ? ok I need to know how to instruct glibc to search /usr/local/share/locale for those files Jan 16 17:58:25 Jef91 right Jan 16 17:58:28 for me too Jan 16 17:58:30 but now Jan 16 17:59:06 Doesn't Nokia know there are lots of nerds with nothing better to do on a Saturday morning other than dev for their platform? Jan 16 17:59:20 then dev Jan 16 17:59:20 They should really do these updates during the week Jan 16 17:59:22 the maemo.org domain has no working dns server, so garage is going to be unavailable as well Jan 16 17:59:28 * mtnbkr wishes the phone would flip from landscape to portait f-a-s-t-e-r after a call Jan 16 17:59:32 Jef91 I fear tjere is more wrong Jan 16 17:59:38 Jef91, in case you hadnt noticed, this week has been VERY busy Jan 16 17:59:53 dig @ns.nokia.com. maemo.org. (this works for me right now) Jan 16 18:00:08 here too Jan 16 18:00:10 Name: maemo.org Jan 16 18:00:10 Address: 80.248.164.250 Jan 16 18:00:54 adalal, http://pastebin.com/dc8ae84f Jan 16 18:01:07 hmm, okay, just repository that isn't on the dns then Jan 16 18:01:23 Busy, broken... You know - whatever Jan 16 18:01:31 sweet! xchat for maemo is now avail! Jan 16 18:01:43 mtnbkr??? now Jan 16 18:01:44 mtnbkr - I've been using it for the last week or so ;) Jan 16 18:01:54 its there since nov Jan 16 18:01:56 or so Jan 16 18:02:00 except it's in the repositories which are unreachable Jan 16 18:02:04 Although the 1.1 firmware update fixed my VGB crashes Jan 16 18:02:08 :P Jan 16 18:02:16 * mtnbkr just noticed it on the maemo.org/downloads "fresh" section :) Jan 16 18:06:20 mtnbkr: for some time now Jan 16 18:06:31 it was in either devel or testing Jan 16 18:06:55 vote up and promotion Jan 16 18:07:13 hm I am little bit pissed now about maemo.org Jan 16 18:08:06 what is the command line name of the File Manager? Jan 16 18:08:36 zzzz soon maybe soon n900 will finaly be available in sweden ;) \o/ Jan 16 18:08:58 I can't access maemo and nokia repositories with my gprs connection. When using different provider over wifi they work. Everything was working fine 5 days ago. Is it possible my provider is on some blacklist or something? Jan 16 18:09:22 maemo repositories work for nobody right now Jan 16 18:09:46 Elerion: dns'es changed and they havent propagated yet Jan 16 18:09:55 i leeched like 300 MB today. shouldn't we have a donations thing for it? Jan 16 18:10:25 well don't we donate enough with patches/packages and bug fixes ? Jan 16 18:10:27 Elerion: p.s. some people here might want working repositories.maemo.org ip ;p Jan 16 18:10:39 oh ok. i was thinking conspiracy theory. :-) tnx Jan 16 18:10:39 I'm sure Nokia can buy bandwidth cheaper than the rest of us ! Jan 16 18:10:50 lol 2012!!! Jan 16 18:10:55 Elerion: in about 72h it should be all ok Jan 16 18:10:58 get to denver airport! Jan 16 18:11:09 odin_: lol, im sure they could get it even if it were available at a premium Jan 16 18:11:13 everyone should do spinal tap codpieces when flying Jan 16 18:12:05 72h???? usually ttl are set to 4h. 72h is just crazy Jan 16 18:12:27 wait Jan 16 18:12:30 not 72h Jan 16 18:12:30 4h? Jan 16 18:12:31 7200 Jan 16 18:12:40 TTL is usually set to 1h Jan 16 18:12:47 or 1h yes Jan 16 18:12:59 it's set to 7200 seconds, i suppose? Jan 16 18:13:28 which is 2 hours Jan 16 18:13:33 or 20mn in case of dns hijacking.. Jan 16 18:13:56 anyone else notice after pr1.1 that firfox is actually useable, dare i even say fast?!?!? Jan 16 18:13:59 is there any simple to setup maemo emulator i could try? to get a better feel for the os before buying a n900? Jan 16 18:14:27 are there any maemo rep mirrors? Jan 16 18:14:32 lol. get the sdk and scratchbox dvoid Jan 16 18:14:41 wont give you a good feel for anything though Jan 16 18:14:56 Kamui firefox? Jan 16 18:15:03 obviously no hardware accel and the wm is compositing Jan 16 18:15:08 woglinde yes Jan 16 18:15:08 Kamui: it does seem faster Jan 16 18:15:23 still not as smooth Jan 16 18:15:35 dvoid: or just buy it. you'll not regret it. Jan 16 18:15:40 a webkit based browser would be better i suppose Jan 16 18:16:10 Kamui: still takes up a lot of memory Jan 16 18:16:27 adalal, before it was purely unusable. now i can actually read maemo.org without studdering. Jan 16 18:16:38 the thing is.. the old ip is not answering. if at least it was giving a simple rst/ack my device would not hang.. Jan 16 18:16:57 lol they are funny at nokia Jan 16 18:17:11 does anyone have a beagle board? Jan 16 18:17:50 btw what's the new IP of repository.maemo.org? Jan 16 18:18:07 Kamui: where did you get firefox? Jan 16 18:18:25 timeless_mbp: it's in the repository Jan 16 18:18:44 Elerion: dont think anyone here knows it just yet... i can't even say if they're up Jan 16 18:19:15 Elerion: i wanted to update my dns records a long time ago as well Jan 16 18:19:17 timeless. the repo from mozilla Jan 16 18:19:41 * timeless_mbp kicks mozilla for their stupid brand confusion Jan 16 18:20:19 <_claesbas_> timeless, http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/m/ Jan 16 18:20:23 Kamui: for the mozilla repository, what did you put down as the distribution? Jan 16 18:20:30 _claesbas_: i'm well aware of what it is Jan 16 18:20:31 <_claesbas_> timeless, download page for firefox for n900 Jan 16 18:20:49 it's just very hard to know which of 3 products people mean when they say firefox Jan 16 18:21:15 isn't firefox for mobile known as fennec? Jan 16 18:21:43 adalal: officially fennec was a codename Jan 16 18:21:44 <_claesbas_> that link was to the download page for firefox mobile for n900 the /m/ Jan 16 18:21:54 <_claesbas_> it adds the repo Jan 16 18:22:03 but in practice 'fennec' has the advantage of not being confusing Jan 16 18:22:08 it isn't ambiguous Jan 16 18:22:11 OK. I'm so thrilled with with this n900, i hardly can leave it alone for more then 30 minutes. :-) Jan 16 18:22:20 unlike 'firefox' which could mean: firefox, fennec, or microb Jan 16 18:22:29 depending on how ignorant the person speaking is Jan 16 18:22:33 lol Jan 16 18:22:42 and diving that without asking them is pretty much impossible Jan 16 18:23:12 what about it is exciting you most right now, Elerion ? Jan 16 18:24:00 hi Jan 16 18:24:12 hihi Jan 16 18:24:31 hello Jan 16 18:24:34 does anyone know if there's a maemo app to controll which services start upon boot? Jan 16 18:24:56 commandline? Jan 16 18:25:32 dev91: i think there's a control panel item that can let you break your system that way Jan 16 18:25:38 if you're suitably inclined and insane Jan 16 18:25:47 New apps keep popping up every hour, I've been configuring easy-deb-chroot to a deskop grade system. Lot's of fun. Jan 16 18:27:04 sorry, for some reason this stoped responding.. Jan 16 18:27:51 and so did his client along with it :S Jan 16 18:27:56 I was saying, I'm looking for an app to controll which services start upon boot, like sshd and lighttpd Jan 16 18:27:56 all repos are down for me Jan 16 18:28:05 same here. I can't update anything !!! Jan 16 18:28:16 Kamui: yeah, fennec does seem faster after pr1.1 Jan 16 18:28:28 It's apain, because I decided to reflash my n800... Jan 16 18:29:18 timeless, bug 8117 comment 3 :) Jan 16 18:29:20 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8117 Browser doesn't show progress indicator when user selects url from urlbar completion list Jan 16 18:29:39 but yeah, that's one of teh more convenient str I've seen lately Jan 16 18:29:46 dev91_: I frob /etc/event.d/rcS-late Jan 16 18:29:52 timeless_mbp: do you think that it makes sense to push non-nokia crash dumps using crash reporter? Jan 16 18:29:52 does maemo6 use upstart? Jan 16 18:29:55 dev91_: which is probably the wrong way to do it Jan 16 18:29:59 timeless_mbp: or are they thrown away? Jan 16 18:30:05 xorAxAx: they aren't thrown away Jan 16 18:30:12 we don't do much with them Jan 16 18:30:14 but they don't die Jan 16 18:30:17 Ehehehe, Chinese start monitoring and censoring IM :))) Jan 16 18:30:31 if you can send them somewhere more appropriate, that's obviously better Jan 16 18:30:47 crashreporter should grow that feature Jan 16 18:30:50 but in theory if we were good guys (like microsoft), we'd notice when a third party app crashed a lot and contact the thrid party Jan 16 18:30:54 based on a control field :) Jan 16 18:31:00 ... Jan 16 18:31:07 crash-reporter is kinda a waste of resources Jan 16 18:31:14 oh yes Jan 16 18:31:16 they should have used bug-buddy or wahtever Jan 16 18:31:35 SpeedEvil: ? there's no /etc/event.d/.. on OS2008 Jan 16 18:31:37 how would it be better in practise? Jan 16 18:32:10 sp3000: i used um, news.google.com iirc Jan 16 18:32:16 his steps worked perfectly Jan 16 18:32:35 dev91_: oops. Sorry. Jan 16 18:32:43 sp3000: in theory bug-buddy was control field awaer Jan 16 18:32:46 s/aer/are/ Jan 16 18:32:46 timeless_mbp meant: sp3000: in theory bug-buddy was control field aware Jan 16 18:32:48 dev91_: Sorry - there should really be #maemo5 - but... Jan 16 18:32:50 WTF, rootsh is broken? Jan 16 18:33:13 * xorAxAx pins the old version Jan 16 18:33:22 Can the N900 tell how much data was transfered over the cell phone connection? Jan 16 18:33:28 yes Jan 16 18:33:46 how? Jan 16 18:33:46 rd: search the repos for 'gprs-data-applet' or something similarly named Jan 16 18:33:51 timeless, your comment lacks version information :) Jan 16 18:33:52 that's a desktop widget Jan 16 18:33:59 wfm, anyhow Jan 16 18:34:00 SpeedEvil: many thanks Jan 16 18:34:05 rd: otherwise there is a meter somewhere in settings Jan 16 18:34:09 sp3000: it was just a fun comment Jan 16 18:34:14 i was mostly rewriting the summary Jan 16 18:34:26 SpeedEvil: i thought the repos were down Jan 16 18:34:31 sp3000: but you know me, i'm not moving from 51-1 until someone gives me a *really* good reason Jan 16 18:34:36 re Jan 16 18:34:38 adalal: ah - well - apart from that... Jan 16 18:34:57 SpeedEvil: I searched for the settings meter, but I did not find that one. Jan 16 18:35:15 * SpeedEvil tries to work out where his n900 is. Jan 16 18:35:21 rd: the repositories are down atm Jan 16 18:35:40 bash.org ++ Jan 16 18:35:42 anybody find how to disable xprot and limit volume in PA? Jan 16 18:35:53 'it responds to pings - I just can't find it' Jan 16 18:36:09 adalal: thanks. Jan 16 18:36:15 Hmm... my login don't seem to be valid at the bugzilla anymore Jan 16 18:36:22 Is personal-gprs-mon the right one? Jan 16 18:36:46 rd: that sounds like it Jan 16 18:36:54 Does anyone still use the 770 model? what's the "best" firmware for it? Jan 16 18:36:55 hi Jan 16 18:37:22 Seems someone has deleted my account, thanks for that Jan 16 18:37:39 Trizt, ? I don't think so. Jan 16 18:37:45 dev91: I use it with the last officially released fw Jan 16 18:37:53 Accounts cannot be deleted. Just disabled. And if so, you see a message why. Jan 16 18:37:56 what do i have to do to get maemo updated on my N900? the 'about product' says it's still 42-11, but "update" in the app manager doesn't show any upgrades Jan 16 18:38:01 Trizt: there are reported problems with the sites aTM Jan 16 18:38:02 i want a fm scanner that can detect the most empty channel... Jan 16 18:38:13 http://maemo.org/news/announcements/repositories_down/ Jan 16 18:38:16 apt-get dist-upgrade also doesn't say it wants to update any packages Jan 16 18:38:23 andre__; it says there is no such account when I try to reset password Jan 16 18:38:42 Trizt, can you post your account ID in a private message please? Jan 16 18:38:42 SpeedEvil; okey, thanks Jan 16 18:38:46 rd: personal dataplan monitor - it appears in 'details' of apps Jan 16 18:38:47 rd: can you make sip calls and chat ? Jan 16 18:38:53 Note that Bugmail does not work currently due to http://maemo.org/news/announcements/repositories_down/ . Jan 16 18:39:21 hiya andre__ Jan 16 18:39:24 hi Jan 16 18:39:28 andre__; so when is it expected to work again? Jan 16 18:39:35 Trizt, when it's fixed. Jan 16 18:40:12 so it prevents you to login to the bugzilla too? Jan 16 18:40:18 Trizt, no. Jan 16 18:40:23 that's why I asked you for your ID. Jan 16 18:40:27 so I can check. Jan 16 18:40:46 WTF Jan 16 18:40:48 Disable ICMP echo reply for GPRS. This is done because some cellular Jan 16 18:40:48 # operators do not have any firewall for cellular traffic. The idea Jan 16 18:40:48 # here is that by disabling ping replies, the other end might stop Jan 16 18:40:48 # flooding us junk which in turn will save power. Jan 16 18:40:50 you can comment in Bugzilla. But you will not receive Bugmail. Which is... unfortunate. ;-) Jan 16 18:46:33 dev91: sip calls did never work well for me Jan 16 18:46:43 dev91: there is a gizmo sip application, I guess if you register with gizmo that might work Jan 16 18:46:54 arachnist: repositories are down/dns have not propagated Jan 16 18:47:12 dev91: with googletalk (jabber) you can chat and talk Jan 16 18:47:35 sip calls work amazing for me.. i have a couple of betamax accounts Jan 16 18:47:51 and im priced £0.005/min to the US... and all :P Jan 16 18:48:08 adalal: on the 770? Jan 16 18:48:15 n900 Jan 16 18:48:25 that makes a difference ;-) Jan 16 18:48:31 hmm Jan 16 18:49:12 adalal: i thought that maemo.org repos were not the ones providing software updates, but the downloads.maemo.nokia.com were Jan 16 18:49:43 arachnist: those are working :S Jan 16 18:50:03 SpeedEvil: > it appears in 'details' of apps .... is that in settings? Jan 16 18:50:07 arachnist: but im not entirely sure... Jan 16 18:50:28 I have a german localization, i.e. I have to match the strings ;-) Jan 16 18:50:41 hi. did the repos change ? Jan 16 18:50:50 rd: app-manager - uninstall - view details Jan 16 18:51:05 tingeltangel: yes. Jan 16 18:51:09 tingeltangel: from working to broken Jan 16 18:51:36 lol Jan 16 18:51:51 anyone know if the repos are back up yet? Jan 16 18:52:03 See above answer. Jan 16 18:52:03 SpeedEvil: are you sure that this shows how much data accumulated went over a UMTS/GPRS connection? Jan 16 18:52:09 just tested :) Jan 16 18:52:17 still down Jan 16 18:52:30 thanks tingeltangel Jan 16 18:52:31 rd: it purports to, and seemed to be moderately accurate when I checked. Jan 16 18:53:13 np Jef91 Jan 16 18:53:24 dont think the repositories will be up b4 monday.. getting people to work on saturday evenings and sundays would be ahrd Jan 16 18:53:24 tingeltangel: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/repositories_down/ Jan 16 18:53:25 hard* Jan 16 18:54:18 adalal - very true. Still makes me, a sad panda at any rate. Jan 16 18:54:54 thx andre__ Jan 16 18:55:19 * Trizt hope that the bt/wifi bug would be fixed in next release, but guess that is too much to hope for Jan 16 18:55:32 andre__ r you from germany ? Jan 16 18:56:10 tingeltangel: I have a German ID card Jan 16 18:56:32 lol Jan 16 18:56:57 "from" always confuses me. yes, I was born there and lived a part of my life there :-P Jan 16 18:57:43 k :) thought you could be that andre who ported kismet ... Jan 16 18:57:58 xorAxAx: thank elisa.fi for that Jan 16 18:57:59 tingeltangel, nope, I'm out :) Jan 16 18:58:21 timeless_mbp: for what? :) Jan 16 18:58:34 * SpeedEvil ponders posting to TMO that the repos are down as the n900 is not being supported anymore. Jan 16 18:58:47 speedevil *g* Jan 16 18:58:50 :-D Jan 16 18:58:56 hehe Jan 16 18:58:56 the icmp stuff Jan 16 18:59:06 elisa is among the operators which has no firewall Jan 16 18:59:20 it means you can ssh into most n900s that have sshd on them on elisa's network.. Jan 16 18:59:35 Neat. Jan 16 18:59:45 I'd like the option to turn my firewall/NAT on and off. Jan 16 18:59:54 (on the 3G side) Jan 16 18:59:57 cool to run sshd on a mobile phone.. (not) Jan 16 19:00:01 2G/3G side Jan 16 19:00:07 you can make sshd to listen on home private LAN Jan 16 19:00:13 Why isn't it cool? Jan 16 19:00:16 if you really need to run such daemons Jan 16 19:00:31 well,, sshd let's ur login from a desktop... which i do Jan 16 19:00:51 SpeedEvil: well i bet most users dont change pass and have gainroot enabled Jan 16 19:01:08 its quite fast bye bye to phone if someone really wants to do some harm to your phone Jan 16 19:01:12 ifreq: well - yes. But the install ssh package I saw asks you to pick a password Jan 16 19:01:31 ah yeh. hope they choose good ones. Jan 16 19:01:47 timeless_mbp: data:text/html, and make a diagonal pan flick Jan 16 19:01:55 SpeedEvil: i would rather run it over private lan ip if ive must :) Jan 16 19:01:56 ifreq: you have to choose a password when you install openssh server Jan 16 19:02:02 sp3000: typing is hard Jan 16 19:02:17 adalal: yes i understood it from SpeedEvils answer thank you. Jan 16 19:02:24 * gevaerts has key authentication only on his phone Jan 16 19:02:39 lol, didn't see it Jan 16 19:02:41 much better Jan 16 19:03:39 sp3000: do i need a certain font size? Jan 16 19:03:50 umm, how to tell file manager to show hidden files/directories too? Jan 16 19:04:06 evo: get another file manager Jan 16 19:04:13 it isn't a hackable app Jan 16 19:04:20 timeless_mbp: heh, ok Jan 16 19:04:31 it's for end users, and you clearly don't qualify :) Jan 16 19:04:33 ohai,can i edit the buttons that are in down xterm's toolbar? Jan 16 19:04:39 timeless_mbp: I think I'm on large, but I doubt it should matter Jan 16 19:04:40 is lists.maemo.org being moved right now? Jan 16 19:04:49 Reheya Jan 16 19:05:24 LuciusMare: in n8x0 you could Jan 16 19:05:28 the ui seems gone Jan 16 19:05:38 I tried doing it on the n900 using gconf Jan 16 19:05:45 but it doesn't seem to work very well Jan 16 19:05:50 timeless_mbp: anyhow a diagonal or horizontal flick makes the page run away ;) luckily the next pan brings it back to the cnostrained area Jan 16 19:05:51 moo wazd Jan 16 19:06:01 how are things? Jan 16 19:06:07 wfm 51-1 Jan 16 19:06:17 timeless_mbp: but pings arent evil or problematic Jan 16 19:06:18 timeless_mbp: anyhow bug 7942 wfm there so there must be something besides a frame going on there? Jan 16 19:06:19 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7942 selects in frameset do not work Jan 16 19:06:26 timeless_mbp: ok, flood pings probably Jan 16 19:06:36 xorAxAx: so.... Jan 16 19:06:48 network traffic of any sort to a phone is POWER expensive Jan 16 19:06:53 nevertheless, you can DOS an n900 without pings Jan 16 19:07:00 RsT38h: heading back to moscow :) Jan 16 19:07:02 in fact, sporadic pings are probably WORSE than FLOODS Jan 16 19:07:44 sp3000: in 51-1, w/o the frameset, the select works Jan 16 19:07:50 w/ the frameset, the select doesn't work Jan 16 19:07:53 wazd: that was quick Jan 16 19:08:00 i didn't spend the time testing something more complicated Jan 16 19:08:05 same in mine Jan 16 19:08:07 oh Jan 16 19:08:13 but maemo. gotcha Jan 16 19:08:13 but I was looking for something simpler :) Jan 16 19:08:14 * timeless_mbp is slow Jan 16 19:08:58