**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 31 02:59:57 2010 Jan 31 03:03:22 heh, didn't notice it before... Jan 31 03:03:54 free turn by turn navigation under development, target milestone harmattan Jan 31 03:05:18 is maemo 5 going to be largely ignored by nokia? Jan 31 03:07:11 there's a team bugfixing maemo5 and a team creating maemo6 Jan 31 03:10:46 I mean as regards apps, like the navigation Jan 31 03:15:29 is using kmplayer for flash content slower than using the browser Jan 31 03:15:30 ? Jan 31 03:15:49 I tried to play stair fall in km player and it was slow as ballsweat Jan 31 03:16:22 I guess you have an answer then Jan 31 03:16:46 nope, I dont. I haven't tried it in the browser, im anti browser in genral Jan 31 03:16:48 general Jan 31 03:18:09 I'd actually expect kmplayer to be faster at it Jan 31 03:18:39 thats what i read, and I wanted to use kmplayer so I could make a couple of flash games standalone and put them in my menu Jan 31 03:19:08 oh well, my dream has been shattered Jan 31 03:21:38 wow, its definately worse in the browser, dropped from 4-6 fps down to 1 fps Jan 31 03:23:24 games don't wokrk in kmplayer Jan 31 03:23:43 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=503314#post503314 Jan 31 03:23:48 GeneralAntilles: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=503314#post503314 Jan 31 03:24:00 or if they do, they'd be using the flash plugin and have same performance as in browser.. Jan 31 03:26:26 .flv is just another video file format, supporting flash video says nothing about supporting interactive flash content :) Jan 31 03:42:51 ~ping Jan 31 03:42:52 ~pong Jan 31 03:43:03 good bot Jan 31 03:45:25 ~cookie Jan 31 03:45:27 Hey crashanddie, port 3080 is stm_pproc - stm_pproc Jan 31 03:45:32 ~botsnack Jan 31 03:45:32 aw, gee, crashanddie Jan 31 04:04:52 DJEEZUS PEOPLE TALK Jan 31 04:04:58 no Jan 31 04:05:19 yes Jan 31 04:05:33 finally got one! Jan 31 04:19:22 balls. Jan 31 04:19:37 zerojay: kids? Jan 31 04:19:46 Got one, sure. Jan 31 04:20:47 zerojay: we needz yous Jan 31 04:20:50 zerojay: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42581 Jan 31 04:23:26 What do you want me to say? Jan 31 04:23:43 your mind Jan 31 04:23:47 speak freely my friend Jan 31 04:23:54 unleash the power of one Jan 31 04:27:12 Not sure if I feel like diving into a 6 page thread right now. Jan 31 04:28:16 we miss youuuuuuuu :( Jan 31 04:28:38 GeneralAntilles without zerojay is like Bonnie without Clyde Jan 31 04:29:43 (note that I'm not specifying who's the woman) Jan 31 04:54:46 crashanddie: lol, you bastard. Jan 31 04:57:33 Could have been worse. Thelma and Louise. Jan 31 05:01:25 i luv you too zerojay Jan 31 06:07:08 what the fuck is it people leaving and joining all the time? Jan 31 06:07:32 It's IRC? Jan 31 06:07:55 ~burn derf Jan 31 06:07:56 * infobot pours gasoline all over derf, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze Jan 31 06:08:12 it's called a netsplit Jan 31 06:08:17 and the stuck Jan 31 06:09:07 shamus: no, a netsplit is when two servers lose connection to each other Jan 31 06:09:31 it's just that since they switched to ircd-seven, it seems like everyone has the most unstable connections ever Jan 31 06:09:46 ahhh Jan 31 06:10:17 * timeless_mbp sighs Jan 31 06:10:29 * timeless_mbp looks for someone w/ an n900 Jan 31 06:10:41 (and probably 10 mins of time) Jan 31 06:10:49 timeless_mbp: what'd'ya need, bitch Jan 31 06:13:41 good morning Jan 31 06:14:10 Does there is a way with specifics information of the n900 ovi store Jan 31 06:14:34 s/a way/a link, document Jan 31 06:16:53 s/Does/Is/ Jan 31 06:17:08 yep too :) Jan 31 06:17:14 i m tired :) Jan 31 06:18:20 there is nothing about n900 on http://publish.ovi.com/info Jan 31 06:18:54 is it a specific ovi store ? Jan 31 06:20:01 i have to wonder if there would ever be a hope of actual income from the ovi store... the number of people running maemo5 devices i imagine is pretty few Jan 31 06:21:35 ieatlint: can you do me a favour? Jan 31 06:21:49 potentially Jan 31 06:21:50 shut the fuck up Jan 31 06:22:09 you're so nice :) Jan 31 06:22:09 you have no idea how many people bought an n900 Jan 31 06:22:26 so please don't give negative prognostics based on anything else but your ignorance Jan 31 06:22:30 that would indeed be my wondering Jan 31 06:22:45 considering the n810 sold over 300k Jan 31 06:23:14 i think we can fairly assume the n900 will sell around over a couple million worldwide Jan 31 06:23:27 within the next year or two Jan 31 06:23:30 considering currently there is few app ... there is more chance to made sell than on iPhone Jan 31 06:23:32 well, i'll certainly agree to not pursue this topic now or again Jan 31 06:23:42 my etch rebuilds have hit m* Jan 31 06:24:28 i'm also admittedly not planning on selling anything on the ovi store Jan 31 06:25:05 ieatlint: actually, the whole principle around which those software shops are based is quite different from the usual Jan 31 06:25:26 usually, software sold for around $60, now it's more between $1 and $10 Jan 31 06:26:05 I asked a few friends to collect their stats around how much they spent on their iPhone (granted, we're a pretty wealthy group) Jan 31 06:26:13 true, but the development involved in the $60 software has classically been far greater, and the distrubtion costs of makings boxes, shipping them and selling them at retail also added quite abit Jan 31 06:26:49 ieatlint: indeed, but distribution costs have been killed with the likes of Steam, yet prices are still around $80 for a brand new game! Jan 31 06:26:55 on average, they would spend $30 - $50 per month on apps on their iPhone Jan 31 06:27:09 but with often just one developer taking the money, and the distribution costs being a loss to the dev, it's reasonable to assume that it will bring in a larger percentage yield Jan 31 06:27:52 however, when I "pranked them", exclaiming that Apple was going to offer a "monthly subscription fee, giving access to an app per day for $30", they immediately said they wouldn't want it Jan 31 06:28:18 apparently, it's a lot easier to spend 15 times $2 than it is to spend once $30, for exactly the same product Jan 31 06:28:33 yeah, starbucks figured that one out Jan 31 06:28:57 crashanddie: depends, usually with a subscription when it expires you lose access to what you had Jan 31 06:29:08 maybe they assumed as such Jan 31 06:29:10 I actually saw the same thing when I was in school Jan 31 06:29:12 anyway, it wasn't meant to be negative... Jan 31 06:29:24 I would buy cigarettes in Spain and sell them in France Jan 31 06:29:43 you're talking to someone who seems to go for the niche though... i was an openmoko dev who even was even helping run their linuxworld booth, heh Jan 31 06:30:47 I would buy them for 20 euros per carton, and have different pricing schemes: 20c for a single cigarette, 4euros per pack, or 30 euros per carton Jan 31 06:31:08 I never had a single student buy a whole carton Jan 31 06:31:19 however, I'd have tons of people buying 10 or 20 cigarettes in singles Jan 31 06:31:36 classy :P Jan 31 06:32:01 they actually banned the sale of individual cigarettes here Jan 31 06:32:20 ieatlint: yeah, reselling illegally imported cigarettes isn't exactly allowed either Jan 31 06:32:28 lol crashanddie Jan 31 06:32:30 reselling cigarettes paid for my own cigarettes and transport for my whole highschool Jan 31 06:32:43 quite the dealer Jan 31 06:33:10 * Pavel isn't really worried about the viability of app store and such. It would be sad if the Nokia didn't release system upgrades for N900 beyond Maemo 5, which, I guess, would leave Maemo 5 essentially a one-device transitional OS, limiting the number of apps available for the N900, but who can resist a cell phone with APT? Jan 31 06:34:17 you mean like palm whuch do one os one device without major upgrade :) Jan 31 06:34:46 eh, i'm using it as a platform where i can write apps in c without learning extremely proprietary apis... and it's awesome Jan 31 06:34:49 from the beginning t was clear that maemo 6 will not run on n900 Jan 31 06:36:00 maemo6 is switching to qt right? Jan 31 06:36:13 Khertan: Sure, but every version was binary-compatible with _all_ previous versions. Jan 31 06:36:38 should be a sketchy backwards compatibility... the maemo 5 apps will look off even with the gtk/hildon libs present in a qt environment Jan 31 06:36:40 Pavel : haha you never dev for Palm to said that Jan 31 06:37:07 ieatlint: Qt will be the default yes, however i'd bet my lunch money that gtk will still be available for retro-compat Jan 31 06:37:09 there api break also on minor version on the last garnet release Jan 31 06:37:39 as much as Qt is available now Jan 31 06:37:50 crashanddie, i'm sure, but i am wondering how well it will visually integrate Jan 31 06:37:52 * crashanddie thinks of undusting the php-gtk bindings :D Jan 31 06:38:00 lol Jan 31 06:38:07 php-gtk sounds awesome Jan 31 06:38:16 most efficient language ever Jan 31 06:38:17 NOT Jan 31 06:38:29 Khertan: Fair enough, but I've gone through, I think, 5 PalmOS devices, starting from one of the original Hansdpsring Visors and ending in a Z22, and have never had an app stop working after an upgrade. Jan 31 06:38:30 perl gtk or php gtk ... which is better? :P Jan 31 06:39:06 or how about with openmoko... bring out out the enlightenment libs Jan 31 06:46:17 test Jan 31 06:46:41 ~ping Jan 31 06:46:42 ~pong Jan 31 06:48:30 WB. Jan 31 06:50:17 * Khertan still hesitate to made a free game with donation (potentially none) or put it to ovi at 50 cents Jan 31 07:09:19 Khertan: You figured out how to put stuff on ovi? Jan 31 07:57:44 hm, can't get networking inside scratchbox to work anymore Jan 31 07:57:51 resolv.conf is correct Jan 31 08:20:30 johnsu01, there are two independent resolv confs: target's /etc/resolv.conf and /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf Jan 31 08:21:25 hmmm that might be it Jan 31 08:22:31 mgedmin: yes, thanks, forgot abotu that one Jan 31 08:22:43 (the one in /scratchbox) Jan 31 08:35:57 * Khertan still hesitate to made a free game with donation (potentially none) or put it to ovi at 50 cents Jan 31 08:36:29 as there is 50$ entry right Jan 31 08:42:55 ~ping Jan 31 08:43:07 ~pong Jan 31 08:43:20 ~pong Jan 31 08:43:21 ~ping Jan 31 08:43:36 thx i don t if people read me due to the registration needed Jan 31 08:43:49 s/don t /dont know Jan 31 08:48:46 hum. small flock of dust particles has wandered middle of my n900 screen and settled there during the night... any suggestions what to do, or better just not do anything? Jan 31 08:57:53 [6~ Jan 31 09:07:19 anyone watching the game? Jan 31 09:07:26 (federer vs murray) Jan 31 09:12:39 hi all Jan 31 09:31:07 * timeless_mbp grumbles Jan 31 09:31:15 the cell modem menu thing changed stuff Jan 31 09:31:27 now i have to figure out what the heck to do w/ my translations Jan 31 09:36:15 what is the best way to use IRC on the N900? Currently using xchat. Jan 31 09:37:04 i prefer putting irssi on a server and then connecting to it using ssh Jan 31 09:37:22 that way you never miss conversations as irssi is running all the time Jan 31 09:38:21 * timeless_mbp does the same Jan 31 09:38:29 ok Jan 31 09:39:04 and i bought my N810 primarily because that way i could IRC everywhere :-) Jan 31 09:39:07 I have learning curve issue. maybe it is time for me to learn that Jan 31 09:40:24 I would love text to speech IRC so I can listen while driving Jan 31 10:17:05 heya everyone Jan 31 10:17:23 moo Jan 31 10:18:02 morning Jan 31 10:22:36 can anybody confirm this? http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=6688&stc=1&d=1264932640 Jan 31 10:22:48 transparent contacts Jan 31 10:26:34 which theme? Jan 31 10:26:47 Corsac: Marina Jan 31 10:26:55 let me try Jan 31 10:26:58 Corsac: It's in Testing now Jan 31 10:27:29 I have devel activated anyway Jan 31 10:27:49 now, they seem displayed correctly here Jan 31 10:27:59 funny, I don't have the same battery icon as you Jan 31 10:29:26 aarrgghh Jan 31 10:29:44 just when it's the bloody final internet keeps dropping out... and TV as well! Jan 31 10:30:28 wazd: but right clic / long tap is broken in Marina here Jan 31 10:30:35 just a black box is displayed Jan 31 10:31:09 is tear for diablo dead? Jan 31 10:31:41 hey guys, I made a booboo messing with extras-devel, need a bit of help Jan 31 10:31:55 crashanddie, N800 sold over 300k. Jan 31 10:32:00 crashanddie, and, yes, I love geneven. Jan 31 10:32:23 SpeedEvil, hey, could be worse. Could be Harold and Maude. ;) Jan 31 10:32:31 I tried to install smbfs and got an error trying to do post-install config, now I'm stuck with a half-install package Jan 31 10:33:00 have tried (to no avail): apt-get -f install, reinstall, remove, clean and dpkg --reconfigure --pending Jan 31 10:33:24 offending package is samba-common. Anyone have either a functioning .deb or suggestions on how to manually kill it? Jan 31 10:33:48 what is the command for xterm ? Jan 31 10:33:55 on maemo5 Jan 31 10:34:14 Hoxzer: I believe it's /usr/bin/osso-xterm Jan 31 10:34:25 mjec: thank you Jan 31 10:40:58 Corsac: huh? Jan 31 10:41:27 Corsac: I don't have any battery icon btw :) Jan 31 10:41:49 wazd: your battery display in the home status area Jan 31 10:42:02 Corsac: that's not my shot, I've no device Jan 31 10:42:08 oh ok Jan 31 10:42:46 Corsac: can you shot the rightclick menu please? Jan 31 10:43:37 * RST38h moos at wazd Jan 31 10:44:03 * wazd oinks at RST38h :) Jan 31 10:44:20 moo > oom Jan 31 10:44:22 what's the shortcut again? Jan 31 10:44:30 3000ps Jan 31 10:44:48 Corsac: ctrl+shift+p I guess Jan 31 10:44:50 * sp3000 blinks Jan 31 10:45:11 * RST38h wonders why http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41623 is offtopic? Jan 31 10:46:18 RST38h: can you test Marina a bit? :) Jan 31 10:47:02 wazd: I already did =) Jan 31 10:47:17 RST38h: oh, 1.0? Jan 31 10:47:26 Dunno, you want me to try one from the repo? Jan 31 10:47:36 RST38h: it's in Extras-Testing now Jan 31 10:47:42 Ok, a moment Jan 31 10:48:45 wazd: seems I can't do a screenshot when right clicking Jan 31 10:48:51 at least the shortcut doesn't work Jan 31 10:48:58 wazd: can I triger that from ssh? Jan 31 10:50:08 Corsac: I'm not sure Jan 31 10:50:14 anyone? :) Jan 31 10:50:25 installed, etting Jan 31 10:50:28 setting Jan 31 10:50:57 god I really want murray to win Jan 31 10:51:20 wazd: Ok, you want comments here? Jan 31 10:51:24 crash: who is murray? Jan 31 10:51:45 RST38h: tennis player, australian open final Jan 31 10:51:48 oh Jan 31 10:52:03 federer (swiss) vs murray (uk) Jan 31 10:52:40 ah just give each his own ball and leave them alone... Jan 31 10:52:59 3rd set, 6-3, 6-4 for federer till now, 40-15 Jan 31 10:53:28 crashanddie: not looking likely though Jan 31 10:53:52 pillar_: I can't watch it.... digital video in the hotel just gave up Jan 31 10:53:52 wazd: The blue used to emphasize selections, volume bars, and buttons is too dark and discolored, looks almost gray Jan 31 10:54:11 RST38h: where have you been all this time :D Jan 31 10:54:19 wazd: The checkboxes do not have actuall checkmarks, they just go blue when checked Jan 31 10:54:31 wazd: Well, as I previously noted, I do not like the theme =( Jan 31 10:54:39 crashanddie: I'n just following teletext since it's not shown here Jan 31 10:54:56 wazd: The glossy buttons look like they are made of two halves, and the bottom half disappears on dark backgrounds Jan 31 10:55:02 RST38h: what checkboxes? Jan 31 10:55:08 RST38h: there are many Jan 31 10:55:33 wazd: The phone buttons (Call, End, etc) are also almost gray, difficult to distinguish from the rest Jan 31 10:55:40 wazd: plenty of checkboxes in Settings :) Jan 31 10:55:54 RST38h: can you take a shot? Jan 31 10:56:02 RST38h: I'm sure it's a bug Jan 31 10:56:14 RST38h: try to reboot or something Jan 31 10:56:32 wazd: The task switcher icon (left upper corner) looks like the bottom squares are smaller than top squares probably due to the gloss Jan 31 10:56:46 * Corsac restarts hildon-desktop Jan 31 10:57:23 wazd: the background is too bright at the left-top corner where status area is, that and the vista-like gloss make status area less visible Jan 31 10:57:57 pillar_: go on australianopen.com you can view the scores directly and listen to the commentary Jan 31 10:58:07 wazd: you want screenshot of checkbuttons? Jan 31 10:58:36 crashanddie, I think that's the first time geneven's ever admitted I wasn't just being a Nazi. ;) Jan 31 10:58:49 RST38h: yep Jan 31 10:58:56 coming up, a moment Jan 31 10:58:58 GeneralAntilles: where? Jan 31 10:59:12 RST38h: thanks Jan 31 10:59:15 crashanddie, in that Red Pill thread of his. Jan 31 10:59:34 crashanddie: thanks Jan 31 10:59:39 * RST38h isn't sure why threads like this one are moved to offtopic Jan 31 10:59:52 No matter how weird geneven is, the thread is still pretty much ontopic Jan 31 11:00:07 Ha! http://engadget.com/exclude/apple/ Jan 31 11:00:46 RST38h, it's just so I can't karma whore by laying down the awesome points. :P Jan 31 11:01:04 Ah Jan 31 11:01:37 wazd: sent Jan 31 11:01:56 GeneralAntilles: I really tried being nice in that post Jan 31 11:01:59 wazd: oh one more problem Jan 31 11:02:21 RST38h: heh, that's actually a checkmark :D Jan 31 11:02:32 wazd: the little gear that is shown on the "edit desktop" button has background that is lighter than the button backgeround Jan 31 11:02:42 wazd: so it shows up in kinda light strip Jan 31 11:02:52 RST38h: yeahyeah, that's a "wontfix" issue :P Jan 31 11:02:56 wazd: oh Jan 31 11:03:19 * RST38h goes back to default theme Jan 31 11:03:24 RST38h: theme limitations Jan 31 11:03:31 weird... Jan 31 11:03:42 although, given previous findings, not surprising :) Jan 31 11:04:34 pillar_: if you click on "Live scores", you can see the points directly and have the radio in the same page Jan 31 11:05:35 hi i need your help. i have N900 and i woul like play my movie in mplayer or kmplayer without border. for example mplayer tropical-thunder.avi -noborder, but still i see in left top coner icons with batery and window pleas how can i hide this? Jan 31 11:06:25 in full screan mode i movie has bordes and i need play without borders Jan 31 11:07:27 any t.m.o admins around who can rename threads? Jan 31 11:07:37 hi all. can anyone please tell me what is the function of getting current time in maemo sdk5. Jan 31 11:07:37 thp: depends which forum Jan 31 11:07:48 crashanddie: Software -> Multimedia Jan 31 11:07:48 im2: date? Jan 31 11:07:52 can't I somehow get rid of apps I don't need, like skype, without removing everything on the n900 ? Jan 31 11:08:08 only time Jan 31 11:08:14 thp: sorry, can't help there. Just report your post and in the commentary ask for it Jan 31 11:08:30 eroyk, by borders you mean those black strips when the movie has different aspect ration than the display? Jan 31 11:08:32 crashanddie: oh, thanks. will do. Jan 31 11:08:58 :) Jan 31 11:09:01 im2: specific programming language? Jan 31 11:09:23 crashanddie: c Jan 31 11:09:31 anyone tried to crosscompile gentoo system in QEMU by using sd card as a qemu hard drive? Jan 31 11:09:51 then get out out the card and insert it into nokia Jan 31 11:09:56 :) Jan 31 11:10:12 norayr: there are insane people like that around here, yes Jan 31 11:10:15 im2, see time, localtime, strftime Jan 31 11:10:19 nice :) Jan 31 11:10:56 then i'll try :) Jan 31 11:11:38 im2: google Jan 31 11:11:57 Which reminds me, bug #8714 Jan 31 11:11:58 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8714 Thread owners should be able to rename their threads Jan 31 11:14:33 crashanddie: quite the thriller set right now :) Jan 31 11:14:47 pillar_: indeed... I have TV back Jan 31 11:15:19 pillar_: ouch Jan 31 11:15:29 championship point Jan 31 11:15:52 are you watchin necktwister again? Jan 31 11:16:05 yup Jan 31 11:16:37 wow, very close ball... only 3cm or something Jan 31 11:17:02 set point for murray :D go scotty, go Jan 31 11:18:39 im2: from memory, it's probably going to be something like: time_t seconds = time(NULL); struct tm * now = localtime(&seconds); printf("%d:%d:%d\n", now->tm_hour, now->tm_min, now->tm_sec); Jan 31 11:18:59 RST38h: call buttons are really that grayish? Jan 31 11:19:06 RST38h: http://i065.radikal.ru/0910/cf/cc07a96009f2.png - looks fine for me Jan 31 11:19:42 pillar_: who you supporting? Jan 31 11:20:19 wazd: to me, the Call button at this screenshot looks black Jan 31 11:20:59 crashanddie: probably murray more, but would like the match to go the fifth set and be epic :) Jan 31 11:22:04 pillar_: federer is going: "Hang on, let me take yet another ace out of my backpack" Jan 31 11:22:40 crashanddie: :) Jan 31 11:22:40 finished Jan 31 11:22:42 federer wins Jan 31 11:22:56 hard work for him but he got there Jan 31 11:23:20 crashanddie: what you gave is working, but it is giving system time. i want time in my maemo sdk. Jan 31 11:23:28 wazd: also the "Cellular" word is almost black-on-black to me Jan 31 11:23:50 im2: wtf? Jan 31 11:23:55 im2: how are those two different? Jan 31 11:24:05 RST38h: it's brighter now, old shot Jan 31 11:25:32 wazd: just not my theme, I am afraid :) :( Jan 31 11:26:08 RST38h: screw you :D Jan 31 11:26:10 In addition to all of the above, brings that horrid Vista pseudo-MacOSX UI in mind all the time Jan 31 11:26:11 RST38h: :P Jan 31 11:26:19 * RST38h screws himself Jan 31 11:28:19 RST38h: but yeah, looks like n900's screen is way darker than mine Jan 31 11:30:41 wazd: + it changes brightness depending on the outside light Jan 31 11:30:48 crashanddie: sorry, timezone in my sdk was different. Jan 31 11:40:27 damn, I seriously need this rightclick shot Jan 31 11:41:29 if anyone knows how can I call for a snapshot from command line... Jan 31 11:42:13 Corsac: anyway, does the rightclick menu looks fine or black on black? :) Jan 31 11:42:34 wazd: black on transparent/blurred background Jan 31 11:42:47 but now always, more like 9 on 10 times Jan 31 11:43:14 and it's readable? Jan 31 11:43:50 no, the right click menu itself is a complete black box Jan 31 11:44:00 meh Jan 31 11:46:11 I made some mistake in the version string of a package. Is it possible to delete it from extras-devel? Jan 31 11:46:25 just update it? Jan 31 11:47:38 Corsac: there's a "screenshot-tool" somewhere Jan 31 11:47:40 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Installation Jan 31 11:48:14 Instead of "0.3" I wrote "3.0" in the version string, so it will be much "newer" than other packages. Jan 31 11:49:59 johnq: use an epoch then Jan 31 11:50:57 pfft, what's wrong with 3 :) Jan 31 11:51:42 hmhm, new marina available Jan 31 11:52:20 Corsac: the complete version string is "0.2.99+3.0rc2" and should be "0.2.99+0.3rc2". So the problem will be gone once "0.3.0" is released, so it's not too bad. I just thought deleting the package could be easy. Jan 31 11:52:44 "However, they can be put out by people whose birthday falls on that day (termed "birthdayers" for convenience), upon which the subject will have their age changed to the equivalent of the number of candles on SCP-559." Jan 31 11:54:26 wazd: did you change anything on 1.0 update? Jan 31 11:54:36 wazd: I just updated and it seems it works fine now Jan 31 11:54:50 Corsac: heh :) Jan 31 11:55:21 Corsac: what exactly? rightclick? Contacts? Jan 31 11:57:05 wazd: right click seems fixed Jan 31 12:01:23 (and contact were working correctly before) Jan 31 12:03:46 http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7436/pandan900.jpg Jan 31 12:09:48 Morning, all Jan 31 12:29:23 Jaffa: heya Jan 31 12:32:19 Jaffa, around? Jan 31 12:35:11 TomaszD: Yup Jan 31 12:35:43 Jaffa, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8721 Jan 31 12:35:43 Bug 8721: Most Ovi Store apps not visible in the Ovi category, only in All Jan 31 12:36:08 I just wanted to dcc the files to you, but I got impatient ;) Jan 31 12:37:46 TomaszD: Can you do `ls -l /usr/share/applications/hildon/angrybirds.desktop' and `dpkg -S /usr/share/applications/hildon/angrybird.desktop' Jan 31 12:38:07 TomaszD: Finally, as root, can you do '/opt/catorise/catorise configure' and see if that fixes things Jan 31 12:40:24 hi all Jan 31 12:40:56 I've got a little guestion about TV, how I can watch TV with a N900, I need to download an application ? Jan 31 12:41:11 Er, TV from where? Jan 31 12:41:32 GeneralAntilles: france Jan 31 12:41:38 trem: does not make sence Jan 31 12:41:42 OK, but what's the source? Jan 31 12:41:49 Do you have a USB tuner that you want to connect? Jan 31 12:41:56 Or do you want to stream from another machine? Jan 31 12:42:39 GeneralAntilles: none, I think that my "provideur" give me TV access Jan 31 12:42:41 Jaffa, I ran the configure thing, now I have 13 icons on my desktop, previously I only had 10 Jan 31 12:42:49 trem, I'm sorry, I can't help you. Jan 31 12:42:54 Jaffa, I think something got stuck during initial installation Jan 31 12:43:03 trem: then you need to work out what protocol and ports and ... to connect to pretty much. Jan 31 12:43:10 Jaffa, everything looks fine now Jan 31 12:43:29 Jaffa, and earlier commands check out fine, no anomalies Jan 31 12:43:32 trem: which regrettably is probably not something your provider will usually document, as they are likely to just sell preconfigured pjhones where it 'just works'. Jan 31 12:43:36 Question: do packages need to be signed to be accepted in extras/extras-devel? Jan 31 12:44:08 trem: googling can sometimes pick this up - or user groups for your phone network. Jan 31 12:44:09 SpeedEvil: I'm afraid of Jan 31 12:44:16 hi all Jan 31 12:44:17 or ISP page Jan 31 12:44:30 s/ISP/"provider" Jan 31 12:45:17 Glad to see this might5 actually work .. Maybe. Jan 31 12:46:58 I have a suspicion that Nokia headsets with media remotes send pulses down the microphone input. Just did a visualisation and I think it looks promising ... Jan 31 12:47:27 The buttons "appear" to generate very tight wave forms. I'm not sure whether it's just a clicking but I'm hoping it's a code. Jan 31 12:47:29 Hi everybody, got my N900 yesterday, already reflashed it 4 times and repartitioned :) Jan 31 12:48:22 anybody else cannot resend sms messages (or do other things by "entering" the received sms) in newest update? Jan 31 12:48:28 I think the wired media remotes are the only thing I miss from my older nseries. Jan 31 12:48:31 still no way to install make n900 to act as a AP without custom kernel? Jan 31 12:48:40 SpeedEvil: I'm looking on my provider website Jan 31 12:48:41 s/install/ Jan 31 12:49:16 trem: I hope you have better luck than the UK. Documentation of anything sucks here. Jan 31 12:50:07 SpeedEvil: document sucks here too :( Jan 31 12:50:12 I don't find the answer Jan 31 12:50:16 after apt-get dist-upgrading my maemo, there is a lot space used by dpkg and apt (in dpkg/info and apt/lists), any advice on what to do with that ? Jan 31 12:55:32 pusling, You can't do much, if you remove these files your sytem will lose track of what's installed Jan 31 12:57:03 it sounds as if there is something loose inside the phone when keeping it close to the air and shaking it.. i thought it was the kickstand or magnet but its not.. what can it be? Sounds like a small metallic clicking ... Jan 31 12:59:45 maromader: I know that. but my rootfs only have 1m free. any advice on what to do ? Jan 31 13:01:02 solpete: perhaps the vibrator counterweight Jan 31 13:01:10 pusling, deactivete repositories (short term solution) Jan 31 13:01:38 pusling: have you tried localepurge (can be found somewhere on the forums) Jan 31 13:01:55 I repartitioned the disk using guide from http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie Jan 31 13:02:28 works like a charm, but I would change the partition sizes slightly Jan 31 13:02:38 maybe next time my system breaks :) Jan 31 13:06:50 argf. it seems to reboot now every time I try to launch a app from the desktop or launch the 'menu' Jan 31 13:07:34 pusling, you can always reflash... Jan 31 13:07:47 maromader: isn't that kind of admitting defeat ? Jan 31 13:07:57 can I somehow get serial console (thru usb?) on it ? Jan 31 13:08:35 pusling, don't know about serial console Jan 31 13:08:52 pusling, what defeat? reflash, fill it again and try to get back control :) Jan 31 13:09:08 there's always another try :) Jan 31 13:09:18 is reflashing killing my user data ? Jan 31 13:09:34 no, I don't think so Jan 31 13:10:13 btw, after updating to newest firmware flash stopped working on youtube, anybody else with that problem? Jan 31 13:10:34 so. where is the flashing howto ? Jan 31 13:11:12 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jan 31 13:12:38 hello Jan 31 13:12:55 hi Jan 31 13:13:05 is there a swipe pattern to unlock application? Jan 31 13:13:21 does extra devel is more buggy than extra testing? Jan 31 13:13:34 Chiku yes Jan 31 13:14:14 I read on a blog, there are free and non-free for extra devel but thre is no non-free for extra testing Jan 31 13:14:32 maromader: works for m Jan 31 13:14:46 or there are no non-free for both Jan 31 13:15:23 non-free is only for stable one Jan 31 13:15:37 SpeedEvil, you mean sms resending? Jan 31 13:16:51 is there any way reset n900 to factory defaults, ie. what originally come "in the box", with user data, etc.? ir is /home/user/ empty by default and it's populated on the first boot? Jan 31 13:17:05 maromader: youtube Jan 31 13:17:14 maromader, yes I did it Jan 31 13:17:27 Chiku, how? Jan 31 13:17:29 vanillia version Jan 31 13:17:56 ok, maybe I'll try with that some time Jan 31 13:18:06 Heh, just thought of a funny idea for PUSH, shame it's gone really. Jan 31 13:18:21 maromader, flash with this one RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Jan 31 13:18:48 Chiku, it also flashes the user data, I presume? Jan 31 13:18:54 yes Jan 31 13:18:58 ok Jan 31 13:19:15 then you need to flsh with RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM to be update Jan 31 13:19:43 yeah, maybe that will do the trick Jan 31 13:19:57 Chiku, have you repartitioned your disk to make more room for apps? Jan 31 13:20:13 nope Jan 31 13:20:27 just flashed it Jan 31 13:20:48 ok Jan 31 13:22:39 TomaszD: Hmm, OK, cool. Jan 31 13:23:26 Jaffa, weird stuff, I can't get used to this menu anyway :) Jan 31 13:23:52 which weather app you guys prefer? Jan 31 13:24:11 I'm afraid to say, and I hope Vlad isn't listening, but foreca weather is better for me Jan 31 13:24:22 hmm... there is like a gazillion different types of images to flash. which one do I want? my keyboard have localized scandinavian chars. Jan 31 13:24:40 mostly because the widget doesn't take so much space Jan 31 13:25:38 TomaszD, why it is better? more accurate? Jan 31 13:25:51 Chiku: I would like http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/meteogram.png - on my desktop Jan 31 13:26:24 Chiku, accuracy has nothing to do with it, OMWeather uses commercial-grade information too. Jan 31 13:26:36 Foreca Weather's UI makes more sense to me Jan 31 13:26:39 and it looks better Jan 31 13:27:45 I tried OMWeather is not accuracy for France country Jan 31 13:28:36 Ahhahah! Qwerty finally woke up =) Jan 31 13:28:42 OMWeather uses weather.com API and gismeteo.ru I believe, so I'm not sure you can blame OMWeather Jan 31 13:28:45 ? Jan 31 13:28:49 Chiku: have you looked at yr.no ? Jan 31 13:28:59 Chiku: it's good for me - at least - in scotland. Jan 31 13:29:30 SpeedEvil, yes, but it's not for n99 right? Jan 31 13:29:33 * TomaszD goes back to Novell translation work... Jan 31 13:29:56 Chiku: ? Jan 31 13:30:08 Chiku: it also has an xml output Jan 31 13:30:34 I mean how to get yr.no for n900 Jan 31 13:31:10 any widget Jan 31 13:31:22 Chiku: no widget Jan 31 13:35:10 hey Jaffa Jan 31 13:36:34 hey Jaffa Jan 31 13:36:43 grmbl Jan 31 13:36:45 ssh fail. Jan 31 13:40:41 RST38h: where? Jan 31 13:43:08 Corsac: Hey Jan 31 13:43:24 Jaffa: how's it going? Jan 31 13:47:29 TomaszD: working on Sundays? Jan 31 13:48:41 crashanddie, I'm an atheist, Sunday means nothing to me :) But on a more serious note, I need to finish this quickly Jan 31 13:49:01 TomaszD: religion has nothing to do with it, don't let your employer exploit you Jan 31 13:49:21 TomaszD: and as I know Novell, I also know you're not being paid millions Jan 31 13:49:45 TomaszD: unless you're a contractor, but considering your doing translations and working sundays, that's kinda impossible Jan 31 13:49:52 they pay well for translations, although lately the projects are getting smaller. Jan 31 13:50:08 and I'm working on my own schedule Jan 31 13:50:19 deadline is set and nothing else Jan 31 13:51:23 hmm, I must qualify my statement, paying well compared to other opportunities here in Poland Jan 31 13:51:25 crashanddie: Going well Jan 31 13:51:52 Jaffa: I know we're far apart, but that's a big ping time :P Jan 31 13:53:04 alright, it's been 10 days, time flies, Extra Decoders Support 0.3.4-1 promoted to Extras Jan 31 13:53:43 wreaking havoc in trackerd since.... since the beginning. Jan 31 13:54:05 but I have a plan that fixes this, to some extent Jan 31 13:54:38 Does it involve pitchforks and burning torches, and a horde of unwashed community developers storming the castle? Jan 31 13:54:48 ...how did you know? Jan 31 13:54:57 erm, I'm not sure if it's right, but I've promoted new Marina version 1.01 to Testing Jan 31 13:57:32 wazd: did it say package promoted? Jan 31 13:57:45 RST38h: yep Jan 31 13:57:49 then should be ok Jan 31 13:57:51 RST38h: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/hildon-theme-marina/1.01/ Jan 31 14:00:10 RST38h: have some more time to spend om MArina? :P Jan 31 14:00:26 Genuine Windows(R) 7 Professional 64 bit (English) [Included in Price] Dell Recommended Jan 31 14:00:48 Genuine Windows(R) 7 Professional 64 bit (English) [add $183.70 or $2/week-1] Jan 31 14:01:11 OK! Jan 31 14:02:50 crashanddie, clearly the more expensive one is better. Jan 31 14:03:01 indeed Jan 31 14:04:16 * SpeedEvil picks 'no OS' -183 or -$2/week' Jan 31 14:04:38 back, sorry to bother you again, but I've got a little problem with my wifi on N900 Jan 31 14:04:52 I need to buy a new laptop for work Jan 31 14:05:01 When I connect with wifi, I can't use some service Jan 31 14:05:06 for example mail Jan 31 14:05:10 update Jan 31 14:05:23 It's mainly going to be used for running a VM (4GB RAM), and mail Jan 31 14:05:50 and if I open a terminal, I have nameserver 127.0.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf Jan 31 14:06:02 So I think that dns are wrong Jan 31 14:06:04 trem: that's normal Jan 31 14:06:05 kysy siltä Jan 31 14:06:09 sorry Jan 31 14:06:30 crashanddie: so I can't read my mail with a wifi connection ? Jan 31 14:06:39 trem: does web work over wifi for example? Jan 31 14:06:52 SpeedEvil: yes Jan 31 14:07:01 pillar_: kysy asianajaja! Jan 31 14:08:05 trem: dnsmasq does dns masquerading Jan 31 14:08:17 trem: everything is pointed at it - and it relays - AIUI Jan 31 14:08:26 SpeedEvil: indeed Jan 31 14:08:57 there's a small caching system, but most request still go out to the wild Jan 31 14:09:18 s/est/ests/ Jan 31 14:09:18 crashanddie meant: there's a small caching system, but most requests still go out to the wild Jan 31 14:09:32 SpeedEvil: so any idea why I can't send a mail with wifi ? Jan 31 14:09:45 trem: because a/ your email provider is down, b/ it's badly configured Jan 31 14:09:47 (it works without wifi) Jan 31 14:10:08 crashanddie: it works if I use my provider Jan 31 14:10:17 trem: it works with 3g? Jan 31 14:10:23 crashanddie: ues Jan 31 14:10:25 yes* Jan 31 14:10:36 trem: are you with Free? Jan 31 14:10:46 crashanddie: no Jan 31 14:11:10 trem: I remember Free implementing limiting what email servers you could connect to (more specifically, smtp) Jan 31 14:11:16 crashanddie: and on a terminal, I simple ping yahoo.Fr don't work Jan 31 14:11:18 maybe Wanadoo or whoever you're with does the same? Jan 31 14:11:31 oh Jan 31 14:11:32 ok Jan 31 14:11:54 crashanddie: I can use this email account with my laptop (with wifi) Jan 31 14:12:28 trem: can you do an nslookup yahoo.fr? Jan 31 14:12:56 trem: I've had it a few times that poor wifi levels would cause dns lookups to fail Jan 31 14:13:13 trem: that and routers that don't play nicely with the power-save levels Jan 31 14:14:10 crashanddie: I try Jan 31 14:16:26 crashanddie: it works but it's very very long Jan 31 14:17:06 I've tried on my computer, it's very fast, on N900, it's very very slow Jan 31 14:17:20 trem: try this: change the configuration of your wifi network and set the power-saving to "none" Jan 31 14:17:24 (on your n900) Jan 31 14:19:04 crashanddie: how I can do it ? Jan 31 14:20:43 trem: go to settings, internet connections, connections, select the network and click edit, next, next, next, advanced, other, power saving (select off) Jan 31 14:21:13 crashanddie, you know the way by heart? Jan 31 14:21:53 is it me or is skype down ? Jan 31 14:22:52 it's you Jan 31 14:23:36 TomaszD: visual memory Jan 31 14:24:06 cool Jan 31 14:28:36 crap. skype works on n810 but not on n900? Jan 31 14:28:57 even if i delete and recreate the account Jan 31 14:30:30 crashanddie: still very long Jan 31 14:30:49 trem: wanadoo or 9? Jan 31 14:30:57 crashanddie: wanadoo Jan 31 14:31:28 trem: normalement la livebox fournit son propre service dns, essaye de changer le resolv.conf pour pointer vers la box, regarde si c'est plus rapide Jan 31 14:31:47 crashanddie: oky, je tente Jan 31 14:38:51 crashanddie: je l'ai fais, mais je comprend pas, mon /etc/resolv.conf reste à 127.0.0.1 et mon nslookup yahoo.fr toujours tres long Jan 31 14:39:34 trem: t'as change quoi? Jan 31 14:40:17 crashanddie: j'ai mis ma box en dns Jan 31 14:40:25 oui mais ou? Jan 31 14:40:27 dans resolv? Jan 31 14:40:47 crashanddie: dans la config du wifi (et j'ai décoché recupérer les dns automatiquement) Jan 31 14:41:13 laisse tomber ca, edite /etc/resolv.conf directement Jan 31 14:41:28 je peux pas, je suis pas root Jan 31 14:41:34 pas trouvé comment passer root Jan 31 14:42:03 installe un programme nomme "gainroot" Jan 31 14:42:05 ou un truc du genre Jan 31 14:42:12 cherche "root" dans l'app manager Jan 31 14:42:22 apres tu pourras passer root dans la console en tappant: sudo gainroot Jan 31 14:55:01 Where does modest store its passwords? Jan 31 14:55:44 in its sleevies? Jan 31 14:55:48 oops - wrong joke. Jan 31 14:55:53 on the other side of the moon Jan 31 14:55:58 ^^ Jan 31 14:56:10 IYA Jan 31 14:57:31 I need to send my n900 back for repair and would like to wipe as much data as possible Jan 31 14:57:37 private data* Jan 31 14:58:19 flash, and dd if=/dev/zero to the mmc Jan 31 14:59:05 but that would potentially leave data on the root partition Jan 31 14:59:18 hmm Jan 31 14:59:31 Point - I suppose actually flashing doesn't always overwrite all blocks Jan 31 14:59:37 no, exacly Jan 31 14:59:58 and i dont really dare to write zeros/random to the whole cards, feels a bit like bricking it :) Jan 31 15:00:29 I mean the individual partitions Jan 31 15:00:42 followed by mkfs.ext2 and mkfs.vfat Jan 31 15:00:58 yeah, but wouldnt that be more or less like bricking it? Jan 31 15:01:23 i dont know how the flasihg works, but i assume it needs some kind of bootloader atleast Jan 31 15:01:34 the mmc is not the onenand Jan 31 15:01:39 the mmc is the 32G device Jan 31 15:01:45 the onenand is the 256M / Jan 31 15:01:59 are there really two memories in the phone? Jan 31 15:02:05 i assumed they were just partitioned Jan 31 15:02:06 yes. Jan 31 15:02:09 cool Jan 31 15:02:14 three if you've got a mmc installed Jan 31 15:02:27 not counting perhaps the dozen programmabe devices in it Jan 31 15:02:38 but even so, if i wipe everything on the 32gb device i would still leave data on the / Jan 31 15:02:50 s/mmc/microSD/ Jan 31 15:03:00 got that :) Jan 31 15:03:13 ecksun, the rootfs, bootloader, and kernel reside on the 256MB OneNAND in the PoP Jan 31 15:03:16 I would think flashing - then writing /dev/urandom to a file in / - as root - should kill most of it Jan 31 15:03:20 GeneralAntilles, PoP ? Jan 31 15:03:27 Package on Package Jan 31 15:03:38 home, opt, etc all reside on the 32GB eMMC. Jan 31 15:03:45 GeneralAntilles: The spares list seems to imply that there are two onenand chips Jan 31 15:03:45 okay Jan 31 15:04:01 SpeedEvil, thats a good idea actually, fill it up to 100% and then just delete it Jan 31 15:04:14 SpeedEvil, second one containing what? Jan 31 15:04:23 GeneralAntilles: 2*128m Jan 31 15:04:29 Hrm Jan 31 15:04:37 Well, the PoP is a single unit, so. . . . Jan 31 15:05:05 skype issue i have on the n900 is actually known...crap Jan 31 15:05:15 if I wipe the entire 32gb device and then flash it, would the flashing restore partisions and so on? Jan 31 15:05:16 http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=397442&eventPage=1 Jan 31 15:05:20 that Jan 31 15:05:29 It could of course be presenting bad info Jan 31 15:06:47 SpeedEvil, that'd be the part for an N810 or N800. Jan 31 15:07:04 GeneralAntilles: says n900 - but possibly. Jan 31 15:07:09 N900 is 256/256 Jan 31 15:07:18 Actually Jan 31 15:07:23 N810/N800 is 128/256 Jan 31 15:07:32 Weird Jan 31 15:07:33 Dunno Jan 31 15:08:16 wierd indeed - I can't imagine why you'd need to replace the flash Jan 31 15:08:46 crashanddie: ok, j'ai installé gainroot, j'ai changé le fichier /etc/resolv.conf et pareil nslookup est super long Jan 31 15:08:49 Maybe if you're Chinese and building you own |\|900? Jan 31 15:08:58 replacing it would be pretty damn hard? Jan 31 15:09:08 ShadowJK: quite hard, yes. Jan 31 15:09:17 ShadowJK: but quite doable with the equipment. Jan 31 15:09:18 considering some authorized nokia repair shops don't seem to even replace mixrousb port... Jan 31 15:09:58 hmm - the GPS chip seems to have dissapeared from that list. Jan 31 15:10:54 Wish they'd sell to randoms. I'd like to sell pointers on ebay for $9/3. Jan 31 15:11:00 forex Jan 31 15:11:25 trem: sorry, that's as far as my diagnostic skills go Jan 31 15:12:06 crashanddie: merci quand meme, je vais tenter de voir ce qui peut clocher Jan 31 15:14:09 Anybody's got an idea why has the image from 'mirror' against mplayer so bad quality? Jan 31 15:20:21 what are my options if I want to use n900 as a wlan router? Jan 31 15:20:31 why doesnt the media player pick up audio files from my sd card? Jan 31 15:20:34 Hmm, weird, someone stole my application catalogues! Jan 31 15:21:00 Ad-hoc mode is supported. I guess if I created a ssh tunnel to and route my traffic through it O_o Jan 31 15:21:03 might just work Jan 31 15:21:17 only for certain ports though Jan 31 15:22:55 Hoxzer, JoikuSpot Jan 31 15:23:21 Hmm, is it released yet? Jan 31 15:23:25 Silly question - where do I ``activate'' the onscreen keyboard on the n900 Jan 31 15:23:59 in settings Jan 31 15:24:28 Settings / Text input, slide the keyboard closed and tap in a input box Jan 31 15:25:07 thanks. works like a charm Jan 31 15:25:26 Lucius Jan 31 15:25:40 is mirror and mplayer view of front camera different? Jan 31 15:25:49 another question - has anyone tried out firefox yet? Jan 31 15:26:10 * |thunder wonders if n900 works with sprint,.. Jan 31 15:26:17 Hoxzer, i use adhoc frequently, but i''ve not tried using it as a router Jan 31 15:26:19 inz: it is out already??? O_o Jan 31 15:26:24 document your progress Jan 31 15:26:40 lcuk: humm Jan 31 15:27:03 Hoxzer, exactly what I was wondering, just remembered the name =) Jan 31 15:27:07 there's a thrad on tmo, n900 as wlan router Jan 31 15:27:17 they're struggling with kernel oops Jan 31 15:27:25 lcuk: dont you think that one could create a ssh tunnel, configure firefox to use it as socket proxy -> Surf web Jan 31 15:27:34 <|thunder> i know n95 is a wLan router Jan 31 15:27:42 wait a sec Jan 31 15:27:44 gotta try it Jan 31 15:29:33 Hoxzer, the simplest way to tether using laptop is to actually tether, plugging my n900 into my ubuntu laptop shows it as a net connect Jan 31 15:29:39 and works directly without any config using 3g Jan 31 15:29:42 crashanddie: mon N900 ne me trouve aucune mise à jour, ca te parait logique (sachant que je l'ai depuis hier) Jan 31 15:30:06 lcuk: you using linux laptop? O_o Jan 31 15:30:12 I've even tried making ~/MyDocs/.sounds a symbolic link to the audio folder on the sd card but that doesnt work either Jan 31 15:30:18 yes is that so strange? Jan 31 15:30:40 hi people Jan 31 15:30:49 i have a problem with maemo 5 Jan 31 15:30:56 :( thats never a good thing Jan 31 15:30:56 lcuk: nope, but "[36357.600664] cdc_acm 2-2:1.6: This device cannot do calls on its own. It is no modem. Jan 31 15:31:07 that's what I get but Jan 31 15:31:13 hmm Jan 31 15:31:19 * Hoxzer restarts hal Jan 31 15:31:32 okay I assume no one cares about people who're still using n8x0s Jan 31 15:31:36 :( Jan 31 15:31:52 there's a link ok maemo 5 desktop application manager, transition control (isnt installed) it doesnt remove it!!! help Jan 31 15:32:25 i tried with dpkg --purge but it doesnt find it Jan 31 15:32:52 MrGoose1 :) i do Jan 31 15:33:24 backtrackMaemo5, so you have something stuck in "hildon-application-manager" saying its installed? i dont quite know where you are meaning Jan 31 15:33:39 it's not installed but there is a link... i opened the hildon folder from MC (midnight commander) there's nt a link like transition*.desktop Jan 31 15:33:53 it's not installed Jan 31 15:34:43 this is the problem. when i try with dpkg -l it's not on the list... there is just a link in the desktop link manager Jan 31 15:35:07 but the application it's not installed Jan 31 15:36:07 act Jan 31 15:36:10 Grr. Jan 31 15:36:33 lcuk: thats really nice of you. :) Jan 31 15:37:10 I just cant understand why media-crawler doesnt crawl sd cards anymore. I think it used to do so Jan 31 15:37:40 please help me what i 've gotta do? Jan 31 15:38:35 help :( Jan 31 15:38:53 MrGoose1, the crawler might be getting stuck inside symlinks, try checking your logs to see if anything is highlighted Jan 31 15:39:03 pkgname "google lattitude updater", description "google lattitude updater". WTF!? I suggest to aotodelete packages from repos. WHERE (pkg.name == pkg.description) Jan 31 15:39:04 * lcuk takes his n810 with him Jan 31 15:40:27 there's a link ok maemo 5 desktop application manager, transition control (isnt installed) dpkg -r -l and --purge doesnt find it, and that empty link is still there :( help me i have n900 and maemo 5 Jan 31 15:42:35 DocScrutinizerL I agree Jan 31 15:42:37 there's a link on maemo 5 desktop application manager i mean in the Settings of the link desktop manager, transition control (isnt installed) dpkg -r -l and --purge doesnt find it, and that empty link is still there :( help me i have n900 and maemo 5 Jan 31 15:42:53 also where desc says "port of X game" Jan 31 15:43:58 I love it when two users think they're the majority Jan 31 15:44:30 I also love it when even they don't understand when their initial point has been made and people have accepted it Jan 31 15:44:44 so they keep on bashing and bashing and bashing, and the ridicule becomes even worse Jan 31 15:45:10 fucking knobheads Jan 31 15:45:19 backtrackMaemo5, chill, "desktop application manager" your terminology requires refinement and its not exactly disasterous either way Jan 31 15:45:38 screenshots will help you, its most likely an errant .desktop file thats been left for whatever reason Jan 31 15:45:40 heh is that an option or a strange bug "Fahrplan (0.0.5)" closes after 15seconds without any user interaction triggering that (no keypress, no tsclick)? Jan 31 15:46:15 crashanddie, depends on who those 2 users are Jan 31 15:46:23 benny and fms Jan 31 15:46:53 ok, this time in a shell Jan 31 15:47:19 backtrackMaemo5, once we find out what extra file it is, if it is as i suspect a .desktop file it can be easily removed Jan 31 15:47:42 lcuk: basically, everyone is agreeing on pretty much the same thing, the mods got the message, we need to chill and be less restrictive, I think that's fine by all of us... But they keep digging up shit, and they're blaming us for threads that are started in off-topic... Jan 31 15:48:24 which thread is the world ending in? Jan 31 15:48:42 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42581 Jan 31 15:49:01 * lcuk puts on his thermonuclear underpants before clicking Jan 31 15:49:50 lcuk do u want to see a screeshot about it? Jan 31 15:49:52 i can't remove that link... the link doesn't exist... the application isn't installed. do u know something to edit like *.menu or *.desktop file to edit? to delete that impossible link? Jan 31 15:50:11 backtrackMaemo5: what are you on about? Jan 31 15:50:37 i dont know where you are seeing this errant object of your distain, so take screenshots and show us. "shift ctrl p" i think Jan 31 15:51:48 ok Jan 31 15:52:05 frankly i dont know why you are worrying so much, it could just be that you need to reboot to release something but dunno yet Jan 31 15:53:49 crashanddie, so the whole point of the thread is that offtopic isnt really offtopic? Jan 31 15:54:12 well, apparently we're too restrictive Jan 31 15:54:24 and there's been too many useful posts that have been moved to off-topic Jan 31 15:54:27 well the fragmentation of the forums is a bit ott Jan 31 15:54:35 from any standpoint Jan 31 15:55:15 i watch vaispy so dont see sections Jan 31 15:55:23 I'm just eyeballing most of it, don't have the time to run statistics on each thread to see where it belongs most (n900, maemo 5, applications)... Jan 31 15:55:35 * SpeedEvil sighs on the stupid forums interface. Jan 31 15:56:05 but when I see one interesting question at the OP, and the rest where people just go "omg lol yeah me 2", well... I can't be arsed to keep that going in general Jan 31 15:56:07 its not stupid, its forumized Jan 31 15:56:10 so i just kick it to the curb Jan 31 15:56:16 kerb, sorry Jan 31 15:56:34 _Lucretia_: you a dude? Jan 31 15:56:57 omg, VDVsx is here, it's a bot attack! Jan 31 15:57:09 lcuk: yes. tin - for example - would give me a nice threaded list of all messages and authors that I can page down at 1/second or more if I find nothing interesting. Jan 31 15:57:20 a page of 10 forum posts takes forever to load. Jan 31 15:57:28 and there is no sane threading Jan 31 15:57:43 actually, there is, but Reggie's disabled it Jan 31 15:57:44 <_Lucretia_> crashanddie: you wanna fuck? find a pro, this aint no place to pick up guys :D Jan 31 15:57:48 SpeedEvil, http://talk.maemo.org/vaispy.php Jan 31 15:58:06 crashanddie, I'm not a bot ;) Jan 31 15:58:14 crashanddie: too complex for users? :/ Jan 31 15:58:30 lcuk the link is http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7963/screenshot001ubj.jpg Jan 31 15:58:49 lcuk: hmm Jan 31 15:59:57 what the hell? Jan 31 16:00:29 lcuk can you help me? Jan 31 16:00:50 i want to remove that link from the desktop manager Jan 31 16:01:18 uninstall transition control? Jan 31 16:01:25 Or have you done that Jan 31 16:01:51 backtrackMaemo5: e veramente che altro fastidio? Jan 31 16:02:04 isnt installed!!! Jan 31 16:02:41 there's just the link!!! but the link doesnt exist in *.desktop file!!! Jan 31 16:02:58 crash? what do u mean? Jan 31 16:03:09 nevermind Jan 31 16:03:21 2 in the morning, not the best of times to start speaking italian I guess Jan 31 16:03:27 I'm out, take care guys, talk later Jan 31 16:04:12 gnite seb Jan 31 16:04:34 backtrackMaemo5, ls /usr/share/applications/hildon/transitioncontrol.desktop Jan 31 16:04:38 see if its actually there Jan 31 16:07:43 sorry i get disconnect Jan 31 16:08:00 some help about it ? http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7963/screenshot001ubj.jpg Jan 31 16:09:53 ok people... i think to flash my n900 :( there's not otion to remove that application.... thank you to helping me Jan 31 16:10:14 ok Jan 31 16:10:28 backtrackMaemo5, ls /usr/share/applications/hildon/transitioncontrol.desktop Jan 31 16:10:32 see if its actually there Jan 31 16:10:43 ok Jan 31 16:10:44 :D Jan 31 16:11:08 but you are right, for such a serious issue you might never be able to use your device and will need to reflash Jan 31 16:11:49 im pleased that this is the most serious issue encountered :) Jan 31 16:12:17 no such file Jan 31 16:12:19 :( Jan 31 16:12:23 :'( Jan 31 16:12:26 have you rebooted it Jan 31 16:12:32 i did Jan 31 16:12:36 and have you had it installed in the past Jan 31 16:12:42 never Jan 31 16:12:59 i installed one time to remove tjhat link Jan 31 16:13:38 but it create 2 links... orrible... so i removed one,,, but the final one that i deserve doesnt work Jan 31 16:14:00 talk to dev of transitioncontrol then :) Jan 31 16:14:02 so... i purged it with dpkg... nothing results like ZERO Jan 31 16:14:19 :( Jan 31 16:14:26 well that purges the package catalog not hte files on the system doesnt it? Jan 31 16:14:45 exact Jan 31 16:15:13 meh file a bug Jan 31 16:15:23 or stop screwing with interals lol Jan 31 16:15:25 i think its linked in some one folder like root hide folder Jan 31 16:15:33 or like this.... Jan 31 16:16:47 * lcuk goes and cooks bacon Jan 31 16:16:55 mpf, voice jabber calls work, but video doesn't Jan 31 16:16:55 i think to downgrade and upgrade.... just to flash the old firmware and the new one after this.... to rewrite all data folder with thenew file system Jan 31 16:16:59 codec issue I guess Jan 31 16:18:28 see you later people i've to reflash my little maemo :( i'm going to loose all packages :( firefox... timidity... my gooddddddd my gooooooddddd Jan 31 16:19:22 gdbm is nearly always such a hell of a package to cross build. Jan 31 16:20:00 my n900 vibration motor works again :D Jan 31 16:21:11 kinda weird, it's been broken for a month Jan 31 16:28:31 python3.1 on N900, any updates? Jan 31 16:29:21 rfk Jan 31 16:48:48 thevibe: why do you need 3.1? Jan 31 16:55:31 does the n900 vibrate when using the lock switch? Jan 31 16:55:39 no Jan 31 16:55:49 you mean when you toggle the lock switch? Jan 31 16:56:05 yeah Jan 31 16:56:09 mine doesn't Jan 31 16:56:14 like the 5800XM and N97 Jan 31 16:56:46 oh ok, just checking since my motor worked for the first time today Jan 31 16:57:04 apart from the first day, but I didn't check everything back then Jan 31 16:59:56 where does gconf store its config files? Im looking for modest config files in particular Jan 31 17:01:29 /home/user/.modest maybe? Jan 31 17:02:11 cant find what Im looking for in there Jan 31 17:02:24 gcongconftool-2 -R /apps/modest/server_accounts Jan 31 17:02:28 i would like to wipe that info :) Jan 31 17:03:46 /var/lib/gconf/apps/modest/server_accounts Jan 31 17:03:53 thanks! Jan 31 17:03:55 how did you find that? Jan 31 17:03:59 find lol Jan 31 17:04:04 in xterm Jan 31 17:04:22 ofc :P Jan 31 17:04:28 find -name 'server_accounts' Jan 31 17:04:29 :) Jan 31 17:04:30 some day i got to learn the syntax to find Jan 31 17:04:46 i just fall back on locate on my server and laptop Jan 31 17:05:37 learned it from here actually :) Jan 31 17:07:50 hi Jan 31 17:22:50 moo-_-, :) Jan 31 17:22:53 MohammadAG, :) Jan 31 17:23:07 We have a qwerty clone! Jan 31 17:23:11 sry moo-_- :( wrong-tab Jan 31 17:23:23 can i access rootfs from inside debian-chroot? Jan 31 17:25:20 not really sure ecksun Jan 31 17:25:25 lemme check Jan 31 17:26:19 yep, you can Jan 31 17:26:33 [root@easy-debian-m5: ~/MyDocs] Jan 31 17:26:47 switching connection Jan 31 17:27:22 rootfs != MyDocs Jan 31 17:27:35 for example /var/lib/gconf :) Jan 31 17:29:18 Interesting, so mplayer on the N900 comes with mencoder aswell? Curious ... Jan 31 17:32:15 mplayer doesnt use dsp , so slower than gstreamer based stuff, afaik Jan 31 17:32:33 Yes, I know. I was just wondering what the point was of having it on there. Jan 31 17:32:54 Though I've not had much luck with the OpenMAX h264 stuff >:( Jan 31 17:33:30 you know where you are with mplayer Jan 31 17:34:39 Hi Jan 31 17:35:06 Whats wrong with e-mail application on my N900, every second messages title is "invalid" Jan 31 17:41:26 GeneralAntilles, really? who? where? Jan 31 17:41:29 does he know Jan 31 17:41:34 qw3rty on Talk. Jan 31 17:43:12 heh Jan 31 17:44:17 mhh I'm looking at the sharing api but it seems that sharing_http_run() doesn't handle requests over http Jan 31 17:44:20 any alternative ? Jan 31 17:44:45 err over https Jan 31 17:53:07 where does microb store saved passwords? Jan 31 17:55:36 in a database Jan 31 17:55:48 just install the package that lets you view it Jan 31 17:56:35 microb-engine-common-ext Jan 31 18:00:48 iPeter-: That looks more like a problem of the server side. Jan 31 18:01:36 Or a problem with charset? I haven't seen that. Jan 31 18:02:49 hi.. does anyone have an issue where if you let your n900 lock by itself, it requires 2 "switches" of the unlock switch to unlock, but if you lock it manually it works fine? Jan 31 18:05:07 timeless_mbp, i want to wipe the file, so viewing it dosent help much, whers the database? :) Jan 31 18:05:26 you realize you're dealing w/ flash Jan 31 18:05:33 which means that if you want to wipe the file Jan 31 18:05:37 you'll need to burn the chips Jan 31 18:05:50 burn the chips, how so? Jan 31 18:06:00 dunno, the terminator 2 method should work Jan 31 18:06:12 i think they used molten iron or something Jan 31 18:06:26 why would i need to burn the chip? Jan 31 18:06:27 steel, sorry Jan 31 18:06:43 i thought the problem with residual data was only with magnetic storage Jan 31 18:07:02 so, the problem w/ flash storage Jan 31 18:07:20 is that you get a limited number of writes per bit Jan 31 18:07:32 yes, i know Jan 31 18:07:33 the solution to this problem is to not rewrite the same place Jan 31 18:07:41 popup info steals app focus Jan 31 18:07:47 which means that when you 'write' new 'data', the write goes *elsewhere* Jan 31 18:07:49 timeless_mbp, i see your point Jan 31 18:07:53 good. Jan 31 18:07:57 so i would need to overwrite everything Jan 31 18:08:09 and even more if it were an ssd Jan 31 18:08:13 and pray that you didn't end up w/ bad sectors which caused you to miss things Jan 31 18:08:40 yeah, but i got to go Jan 31 18:08:41 thx Jan 31 18:09:29 you're correct in principle, but in practical sense, overwriting a file on flash memory will erase it Jan 31 18:09:38 depends what the goal is Jan 31 18:09:41 if he's being paranoid Jan 31 18:09:44 then he's misguided Jan 31 18:09:51 with wear leveling, it likely will write it elsewhere, however the mappings will be destroyed to the original data Jan 31 18:10:02 if he just wants to delete stuff, the ui from microb and the ui i gave him would let him clean up the data Jan 31 18:10:07 no need to poke something else Jan 31 18:13:00 bimbim Jan 31 18:20:02 wazd: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/01/27/upcoming-qtcreator-support-for-qml-or-what-is-bauhaus/ Jan 31 18:23:12 so i've been out of the loop for a while, what happened to the random reboots? did the fw update actually fix them? Jan 31 18:23:27 it fixed many of them, it seems - it was a OMAP3 bug things seem to indicate Jan 31 18:23:30 as it fixed Droid too Jan 31 18:23:40 oh nice :) Jan 31 18:24:23 does anyone knows where does the n810 stores the networks wep keys ? Jan 31 18:25:48 yes Jan 31 18:26:04 IIRC gconf Jan 31 18:26:13 pupnik: can you tell me ? Jan 31 18:27:00 caotic: just browser through /var/lib/gconf Jan 31 18:27:04 tab completion is your friend Jan 31 18:27:08 it's system, IAP, ... Jan 31 18:27:12 it's very easy to spot Jan 31 18:27:17 s/browser/browse/ Jan 31 18:27:25 oh thanks Jan 31 18:27:39 didnt realice IRC gconf was a message for me Jan 31 18:38:33 how does one get those cloaked hostnames I see so much? Jan 31 18:39:02 Sexual favours. Jan 31 18:39:06 Or a donation. Jan 31 18:39:11 (to freenode) Jan 31 18:39:12 or a pretty please Jan 31 18:39:14 red: if you're registered with all the hoops and loops, by requesting. Depending on what kind you want Jan 31 18:39:22 and the maemo cloaks I think by akrma Jan 31 18:39:23 karm Jan 31 18:39:24 a Jan 31 18:39:40 User must meet either 500+ karma or Nokian. Jan 31 18:40:14 how do i figure out if a user is registered? Jan 31 18:40:28 /whois foo Jan 31 18:40:29 timeless_mbp, /msg nickserv info Jan 31 18:40:30 whois shows them Jan 31 18:40:41 or that Jan 31 18:40:46 * lcuk goes mealing ----> Jan 31 18:40:54 GeneralAntilles: doesn't work Jan 31 18:41:04 timeless_mbp, how so? Jan 31 18:41:10 -NickServ- Invalid command. Use /msg NickServ help for a command listing. Jan 31 18:41:18 you probably meant info user not user info :) Jan 31 18:41:19 Er, yeah, reverse that. Jan 31 18:41:19 info Jan 31 18:41:26 * GeneralAntilles fails. Jan 31 18:41:27 go team. Jan 31 18:41:41 * GeneralAntilles or is just looking for excuses to use Willy Wonka quotes. Jan 31 18:41:49 but i mean, how do i tell if a connection is logged in, not if nickserv is managing it Jan 31 18:42:03 Oh, um, it was +e Jan 31 18:42:05 Dunno now Jan 31 18:42:10 Good question for w00t. Jan 31 18:42:14 * w00t eyes Jan 31 18:42:22 ofni sellitnalareneg vreskcin gsm/ Jan 31 18:42:29 you should see an 'account :' line in /whois, timeless_mbp Jan 31 18:42:34 01/31@19:42:17 -!- account : timeless Jan 31 18:42:36 for instance Jan 31 18:45:20 hello Jan 31 18:49:30 is there a way to use function keys? Jan 31 18:50:54 solpete: so, the on screen keyboard is pluggable Jan 31 18:51:07 you're welcome to write a module which lets you trigger function keys Jan 31 18:51:21 evening RevdKathy Jan 31 18:51:35 Evening Stskeeps, evening all Jan 31 18:51:47 yi yi Jan 31 18:52:28 pizza. Jan 31 18:52:35 hi ;/ Jan 31 18:52:41 nye Jan 31 18:53:22 Hi alll. Just have a lovely dinner of sossiges and onion gravy (I make great onion gravy) and now watching the huskies on countryfile Jan 31 18:53:43 Onions are an essential food group. Jan 31 18:53:53 so is gravy (I think) Jan 31 18:54:10 I threatened to write a recipe book called "first fry and onion" Jan 31 18:54:22 I think given the choice between never being able to eat them and ice cream - it'd be onions that won. Jan 31 18:54:41 Oucvh! I'd hate a choice like that Jan 31 18:54:57 I could live entirely on cheese, onions, icecream and choclate Jan 31 18:55:38 lol Jan 31 18:55:40 low fat cheese, and high cocoa solids chocolate - and it's almost a balance diet Jan 31 18:56:30 Onions for veg, choc for iron, cheese for protein, icecream for calcium and sugars... Jan 31 18:56:38 what more would I need? Jan 31 18:56:58 carrots Jan 31 18:57:23 can I have the carrots in cake form? Jan 31 18:57:39 Mmm . . . carrot cake Jan 31 18:57:46 Which reminds me, I need to buy some rum for rum cake. Jan 31 18:58:12 sounds wonderful. Digitise some and email it :) Jan 31 18:58:18 http://www.niquehappy.com/blog/2006/11/13/chicken-fried-steak-ice-cream/ Jan 31 18:58:22 If only Jan 31 18:58:56 SpeedEvil, that sounds awful. Jan 31 18:59:04 But I am hungry for some country fried steak now. . . . Jan 31 18:59:36 after the meal I just ate, I shan't be hungry for anything for a while! Jan 31 19:01:35 I hate this Pepsi throwback shit. Jan 31 19:02:27 At least when they used HFC I had a compelling reason never to drink the stuff. Jan 31 19:02:36 haha Jan 31 19:03:14 i'm just enjoying not spending extra money on coke from mexico to get real sugar.. Jan 31 19:03:22 Hehe Jan 31 19:03:40 Hurray Jarritos! Jan 31 19:03:55 yeah, that's some quality soda there ;) Jan 31 19:04:12 I started buying a couple bottles a week at the local Publix a few years ago. Jan 31 19:04:13 no worse than than our own though, i suppose Jan 31 19:04:24 Couple months later they'd doubled their stock and added 50% to the price. Jan 31 19:05:17 jarritos is cheap here at least ... as much as regular coke/pepsi/etc Jan 31 19:05:36 About $0.89 to $1.09 a bottle here. Jan 31 19:05:43 Now, anyway. Jan 31 19:05:44 Used to be cheaper Jan 31 19:06:01 I stopped buying after the upped the price. Jan 31 19:06:11 Their stock levels haven't gone down, so I guess somebody must be buying them. Jan 31 19:06:34 Offer to buy a case or two at teh old price Jan 31 19:07:11 * SpeedEvil has been buying ~6 months of stuff on offer. Jan 31 19:07:44 SpeedEvil, then my roommate will drink nothing but sodas for a week. ;) Jan 31 19:08:04 Concentrated laxatives. Jan 31 19:08:19 Coat the rims? :P Jan 31 19:08:43 if you have to live with the guy, you probably don't want to deal with him having the runs :P Jan 31 19:09:08 I'd be surprised if he made the connection anyway. Jan 31 19:10:32 could be crazier, club mate was briefly available here at $4/bottle Jan 31 19:10:49 Yeesh Jan 31 19:14:55 N900 as USB modem "just works", nice! Jan 31 19:18:01 I found that most of the modem AT commands seem to be returning error (including SIM entries, SMS management..) Jan 31 19:18:32 (my guess is that they do not work indeed since PC Suite seems not able to extract sms either) Jan 31 19:19:14 javispedro: I have seen something about N900 baseband not really using at command set Jan 31 19:19:44 there's daemon for translating it, right Jan 31 19:19:58 guess it only does bare minimal for modem use? Jan 31 19:20:37 is this true for s40 phones as well? Jan 31 19:21:08 I have one right here and its working Jan 31 19:21:21 Some of them serve out SMS and stuff over serial ports (whether usb or bluetotoh) Jan 31 19:21:27 s60 ones are worse Jan 31 19:21:46 n900 uses s40 baseband, right? Jan 31 19:22:34 i dont think any other device has 10mbit hsdpa, except for the CS-15 modem Jan 31 19:22:56 hi :) Jan 31 19:23:47 wello satmd Jan 31 19:24:01 hi satmd Jan 31 19:24:01 * satmd is part of the family now, too Jan 31 19:24:07 heya satmd Jan 31 19:24:08 another n900 addict, welcome! Jan 31 19:24:09 :P Jan 31 19:24:14 run while you still have a chance Jan 31 19:24:25 you're already WOLing your PCs, though, so there's probably no hope for you Jan 31 19:24:41 wake on lan? what's this got to do with this? Jan 31 19:24:50 you can WOL stuff from your n900 Jan 31 19:25:27 and I happen to know him from elsewhere, so :p Jan 31 19:27:18 I'd really love for some proper game development to come to the Ovi Store soon. Jan 31 19:27:28 but angry birds is all you need Jan 31 19:27:39 Nokia needs to help their Ovi team figure out how to protect content already. . . . Jan 31 19:27:49 We'll have sheep soon - best game EVA! Jan 31 19:27:49 * RST38h laughs rather maniacally Jan 31 19:27:57 maeSheep, that is Jan 31 19:28:01 i want more angry birds levels Jan 31 19:28:03 Ovi...hehe...Store... Jan 31 19:28:08 aSIMULAtor: there's a level editor now Jan 31 19:28:12 angry birds ftfw Jan 31 19:28:21 so, Phonet is the protocol, and pnatd is the program providing the AT interface Jan 31 19:28:25 aSIMULAtor: where? Jan 31 19:28:28 stskeeps: link` Jan 31 19:28:33 Corporate insurance hehe Jan 31 19:28:43 MaeSheep beat angry birds ;) Jan 31 19:28:49 aSIMULAtor: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40591 Jan 31 19:29:38 woo!! :D Jan 31 19:29:53 RST38h, catch that game developer posting to Talk? Jan 31 19:31:06 (to the tune of 'catch that pigeon') Jan 31 19:31:08 That stuff looked classy. Jan 31 19:31:38 GAN: Yes, but it is not on Ovi until it is on Ovi Jan 31 19:32:18 Given their acceptance rules, I kinda doubt there will be a lot of app there =( Jan 31 19:34:50 RST38h, could be even less if they don't figure out how to keep people from pirating stuff right off their servers. Jan 31 19:35:18 Actually, an interesting question, is anybody else using apt to distribute paid content (with the authentication system not being in the software itself)? Jan 31 19:35:24 General: That part is almost unbelieavable Jan 31 19:35:40 RST38h, I'm really surprised that somebody in Maemo Devices wasn't involved. Jan 31 19:35:56 GeneralAntilles: Ubuntu may've looked at it, with them moving to a more "app store"-like model Jan 31 19:36:00 General: I mean, go to all this length, make a web site, create all these draconian rules Jan 31 19:36:05 I mean, any 14-year-old who'd installed Debian or Ubuntu a couple of times could tell you that was bound to fail. Jan 31 19:36:17 RST38h: The rules were in-place already ;-) Jan 31 19:36:21 the rules are jsut copied from s40, s60 and j2me Jan 31 19:36:34 General: And NEVER even consider how they are going to distribute paid content in a proper way Jan 31 19:37:06 RST38h, really makes me want to meet the Maemo part of the Ovi Team. Jan 31 19:37:39 They probably can Jan 31 19:37:39 General: Right after you off the Maemo part of Ovi Maps Team? =) Jan 31 19:37:53 t get the webserver people to support the authentication token like the nokia binary repos Jan 31 19:37:53 defenestrate Jan 31 19:38:09 Shadow: Well, it is not like you absolutely can't use debian repos to distribute paid content safely Jan 31 19:38:30 Shadow: But it requires some thinking to implement, and none of these guys have done any =) Jan 31 19:38:51 Also ovi serving DRM'd content that N900 can't play is funny Jan 31 19:38:59 selling it specifically for N900 I mean Jan 31 19:39:34 they say ovi store for maemo is "beta" Jan 31 19:39:41 So they do have an excuse Jan 31 19:39:46 lol Jan 31 19:39:59 hi Jan 31 19:40:35 * ShadowJK hopes USB charging can keep up with the powerdrain of streaming video to PC :D Jan 31 19:41:09 ah, it is :D Jan 31 19:41:30 ShadowJK: so Jan 31 19:41:39 technically it's possible to run out of power while plugged in :) Jan 31 19:41:48 someone tried to blame it on flash Jan 31 19:41:58 I'm sure it is possible Jan 31 19:41:59 that didn't fly. Jan 31 19:42:07 * Jaffa thinks designing a secure-as-possible paid content distribution system on top of apt would be really interesting. Jan 31 19:42:24 it is the server-side thing Jan 31 19:42:29 apt has nothing to do with it Jan 31 19:42:37 but voltage as reporting by hal-device bme is slowly climbing, so I think it's keeping up :) Jan 31 19:42:39 RST38h: so Jan 31 19:42:45 the problem is actually client side Jan 31 19:42:56 what prevents a client from taking something that was 'sent' to the client Jan 31 19:43:02 My N900 has more bandwidth than my regular internet connection :) Jan 31 19:43:08 Perhaps have the device generate a public/private key in first-boot-wizard and have a browser plugin which sends that to ovi.mobi; on top of virtual repo Jan 31 19:43:09 and 'sharing' it to another client which didn't get its own copy from the server Jan 31 19:43:27 Jaffa: i've suggested using pki that way Jan 31 19:43:33 are you trying to prevent the actual binary distribution? I'd be more worried about how to prevent running the binary. Jan 31 19:43:34 not sure exactly what the target audience was Jan 31 19:43:34 timeless_mbp: Of course, that's a bit of a bugger Jan 31 19:43:50 Jaffa: Well, first of all, the data sent by the server has to be encoded with a unique key Jan 31 19:43:58 Jaffa: Let us say your tablet's MAC Jan 31 19:44:05 RST38h: Indeed; I've outlined all this before. Jan 31 19:44:19 the mac is not of much help Jan 31 19:44:27 Jaffa: Secondly, all executables should be automatically wrapped into code that checks mac at runtime Jan 31 19:44:44 you really need to do the whole TPM thing Jan 31 19:44:51 I don't think the CPU supports it. Jan 31 19:44:54 Jaffa: The dumb data you cannot really protect, so there is no reason to try Jan 31 19:44:54 so people get a network disruption at program startup? Jan 31 19:45:03 SpeedEvil: it doesn't Jan 31 19:45:06 because the wrapper changes the address for a few secs Jan 31 19:45:09 RST38h, just off the whole damn Gate5. Jan 31 19:45:16 It sucks on S60, too. Jan 31 19:45:30 S60 Maps feel ok to me Jan 31 19:45:43 But then, I am not expecting a lot from them, they are running on a phone after all :) Jan 31 19:45:44 timeless_mbp: The N900 CPU can't do TPM? Jan 31 19:45:56 timeless: so what was it if it wasn't flash? Or was it just charging at 100mAh? Jan 31 19:45:56 Jaffa: well, i don't think so Jan 31 19:46:15 at least from discussions it seemed pretty clear it didn't have whatever they felt was needed Jan 31 19:46:44 ShadowJK: it was flash Jan 31 19:46:49 Jaffa: Either way, there is no such thing as perfect copy protection. So, it makes sense to make things difficult enough for the attacker rather than chase the holy grail Jan 31 19:46:50 hi Jan 31 19:46:56 i believe it was 500mA Jan 31 19:46:59 RST38h: Absolutely Jan 31 19:47:02 although it /might/ have been more Jan 31 19:47:20 timeless_mbp: that's presumably the real reason then for no Harmattan on N900... Jan 31 19:47:25 TI advertises OMAP3's security stuff pretty heavily. Jan 31 19:47:42 yeah, whatever the "TrustZone" really is Jan 31 19:47:53 General: most of this stuff is too heavy to be usable Jan 31 19:48:15 has to be supported at the system level, spreads into many subsystems like a virus, etc Jan 31 19:48:30 or "M-Shield" Jan 31 19:48:42 And almost mandates signed kernels Jan 31 19:48:48 Suits like it because the presentations come out just great. But in practice, it is easier to ignore this crap than use it Jan 31 19:49:13 well, maemo 6 will have a whole drm subsystem Jan 31 19:49:14 It works well if you have a locked down system - to add another layer or two of security. Jan 31 19:49:19 does anyone know about it? Jan 31 19:49:21 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=503746 Jan 31 19:51:02 mr timeless Jan 31 19:51:12 yes Jan 31 19:51:18 mrs aSIMULAtor Jan 31 19:52:46 saying hello Jan 31 19:52:59 hello Jan 31 19:53:21 * GeneralAntilles needs to find something from Other to install for menu symmetry. Jan 31 19:54:25 oh no, voltage is dropping :) Jan 31 19:57:17 * RST38h moos at asimula Jan 31 19:57:46 heyz Jan 31 19:57:52 wazd: what did you fix on last update? Jan 31 19:57:54 * aSIMULAtor meows back at RST38h Jan 31 19:58:01 noticed there was some update on theme today :) Jan 31 19:59:02 ovek. you here? Jan 31 20:00:28 Is there any own channel for N900 owners? Jan 31 20:00:36 lol Jan 31 20:02:21 apparently the Fry's here in Roseville has sold out of N900s Jan 31 20:02:37 Look at what Bittwist wrote me! My friend! I think this might interest you! Now that the Obama Nigger Tide is rapidly in retreat, the time for us to act is NOW! Tired of Niggers and their monkeyshines? Can't join the KKK because you are not White? This is Billy Mayes here with an amazing new website! Chimpout Forum! http://www.chimpout.com/forum Chimpout Forum welcomes anybody who hates niggers and isn't a nigger. A Jan 31 20:02:42 sian? No Problem! Jewish? We have Jewish mods! Mexican? Bienvenido amigo! No matter what race you are, join us if you hate niggers! Jan 31 20:02:47 GeneralAntilles: ping Jan 31 20:02:56 GeneralAntilles: idiot to remove Jan 31 20:02:57 :( Jan 31 20:03:01 Can we get rid of that please! Jan 31 20:03:08 yea Jan 31 20:03:32 Diarrheaor whatever he's called Jan 31 20:03:32 Erm .. Nice ... Jan 31 20:03:40 that's about what he's talking Jan 31 20:03:52 Been a while since I've seen that. Jan 31 20:04:45 Jaffa, VDVsx? Jan 31 20:04:55 Diareal: so now you joined to this channel to inform us of that, adding to the noise and spreading his message? CLASSY! Jan 31 20:05:18 he is in here Jan 31 20:05:19 ban him Jan 31 20:05:21 bittwist Jan 31 20:05:33 thankyou! Jan 31 20:05:34 ah Jan 31 20:05:34 >:) Jan 31 20:05:35 err, that's a quite wide ban Jan 31 20:05:36 * GeneralAntilles was in the kitchen. Jan 31 20:05:39 Thank you! Jan 31 20:05:41 wow, thats a wide banmask Jan 31 20:05:42 much better Jan 31 20:05:45 and there goes my vibrating motor Jan 31 20:05:47 Stskeeps, yeah, somebody focus that for me. ;) Jan 31 20:05:51 doh, Stskeeps beat me to it Jan 31 20:05:52 back to your regular programming, MADDE is nifty technology Jan 31 20:05:54 Just making sure he's gone. Jan 31 20:06:09 It's only one US state Jan 31 20:06:10 I don't think I'll be using pyside anymore Jan 31 20:06:35 GeneralAntilles: *!~*@ip72-207-23-78.sd.sd.cox.net .. let's assume the idiot doesn't have dynamic IP Jan 31 20:07:07 or *!*Diareal@*.sd.sd.cox.net, assuming he got dynamic IP but is too stupid to change ident ;) Jan 31 20:07:44 * GeneralAntilles sighs at his crappy client. Jan 31 20:08:30 Stskeeps, you fix it, Adium doesn't want to participate. Jan 31 20:08:56 Which reminds me. . . . Jan 31 20:08:59 Stskeeps: pong Jan 31 20:09:15 Jaffa: nm, GeneralAntilles beat you to it Jan 31 20:11:41 * GeneralAntilles is still tempted to create an IRC component. Jan 31 20:11:45 bug #8728 Jan 31 20:11:46 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8728 Add maemo.org team to access list for #maemo Jan 31 20:11:50 to any who hate sbox: cross compiling is still a damn _nightmare_ Jan 31 20:12:12 javispedro: without scratchbox or with Jan 31 20:12:24 without Jan 31 20:12:30 ah, yes Jan 31 20:14:05 do you think there will be good integration of qtcreator with sbox / maemo sdk / debugging on n900? Jan 31 20:15:11 javispedro: i still like the OBS approach. it just feels sane. Jan 31 20:15:12 :P Jan 31 20:15:42 Stskeeps: but too much webby IMO. I'd like it be local. Jan 31 20:15:49 javispedro: it has command line interface :P Jan 31 20:16:14 but you still to need an internet connection? Jan 31 20:16:19 s/to// Jan 31 20:16:20 javispedro meant: but you still need an internet connection? Jan 31 20:16:22 that is true, i do hate that Jan 31 20:16:30 but you can technically work around that Jan 31 20:16:37 Baaaa sheep! Jan 31 20:16:38 osc build MerDevel_Ubuntu_9.04 *.dsc, sets up a nice chroot locally, builds Jan 31 20:16:38 :P Jan 31 20:16:47 baaa Jan 31 20:17:05 hm.. does ubuntu offer armv7 packages now? Jan 31 20:17:19 on lucid Jan 31 20:20:51 gentoo has improved a lot lately, but still after the few initial system packages everything breaks, and when you see emerge (1/100) and know that statistically half of them are broke, and the first build failure comes at package #2... demoralizing :) Jan 31 20:20:55 fyi, diareal has now been k-lined with two different ip addresses Jan 31 20:20:59 (cross compiling) Jan 31 20:21:13 ifreq: minor fix (clock highlight) Jan 31 20:22:17 javispedro: which explains clearly why something like scratchbox is needed Jan 31 20:24:21 hello Jan 31 20:25:26 oh.. I haven't tried it yet. Jan 31 20:25:30 oops Jan 31 20:26:08 hello Jan 31 20:29:25 Is it normal to get a "warning, `debian/comic-widget/DEBIAN/control' contains user-defined field `Maemo-Icon-26'" when doing debian/rules binary ? Jan 31 20:29:43 mece, probably, yeah Jan 31 20:29:53 I mean the icon, should it warn about it or does it mean there's something wrong with the icon? Jan 31 20:30:02 is there an FTP server or client ? Jan 31 20:30:04 I don't think there's something wrong Jan 31 20:30:11 maromader, ok, thanks. Jan 31 20:30:17 hmm Jan 31 20:30:25 it's just that "Maemo-Icon-26" is not a proper field in Debian rules script Jan 31 20:30:29 or something like that Jan 31 20:30:32 how do you restore the menu or toolbar in VNC Jan 31 20:30:39 mece: fairly normal Jan 31 20:30:40 it should build correctly Jan 31 20:30:55 yep, it does, but I haven't tested the icon. Jan 31 20:31:35 btw, is there any way to enable avahi support in pulseaudio on N900? so that I could redirect audio from my PC over network? Jan 31 20:32:07 http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/archives/13-Mac-OS-X-10.3-running-on-the-N900!.html Jan 31 20:32:08 * satmd listens Jan 31 20:32:10 insane insane people Jan 31 20:32:21 whoa!!! Jan 31 20:32:24 nice Jan 31 20:32:32 oh my god Jan 31 20:32:36 I don't know about avahi, but you can redirect audio to the n900 PA Jan 31 20:32:49 javispedro, how? any howtos? Jan 31 20:32:59 so, this is more than you can get on your iphone, no? Jan 31 20:33:08 it took almost 2 hours to reach the "About my Mac..." Jan 31 20:33:14 Stskeeps: darn! i was gonna do that! xD Jan 31 20:33:19 wazd: as i said, insane insane people Jan 31 20:33:25 maromader: no howtos, and currently it requires touching the PA cmd line or config file. Jan 31 20:33:28 the guy should have cleaned the display Jan 31 20:33:55 javispedro, I already reflashed 4 times, since I bought mine yesterday, I think I can manage the commandline ;) Jan 31 20:34:14 Stskeeps, somebody fails at applying screen protectors, too. Jan 31 20:34:18 maromader: install pulseaudio-module-extra package and then load PA module tcp Jan 31 20:34:33 maromader: use diferent port than default and auth_anonymous=1 Jan 31 20:34:36 javispedro, thanks, I'll check it out Jan 31 20:34:39 next up, iphone OS on n900 Jan 31 20:34:41 :P Jan 31 20:34:49 symbian! symbian! Jan 31 20:34:57 Stskeeps, android is already there, so... Jan 31 20:35:05 maemo on maemo! Jan 31 20:35:07 Stskeeps, I think next one should be Linux ;) Jan 31 20:35:19 maromader: Mer is ubuntu based, already runs Jan 31 20:35:19 omg, radical thinking ml-mobile. I like it! Jan 31 20:35:36 i wouldn't mind seeing WebOS running. Jan 31 20:35:40 like, for kicks Jan 31 20:35:51 AmigaOS? ;-) Jan 31 20:35:55 Stskeeps: open the microb :) Jan 31 20:35:55 TOS? Jan 31 20:36:08 * b-man17 is thinking of porting WebOS to see how it runs xD Jan 31 20:36:09 * javispedro notes than nobody seems to remember the Basilisk port Jan 31 20:37:39 WebOS is too closed Jan 31 20:37:51 yup Jan 31 20:37:57 sadly Jan 31 20:38:06 and too dumb :) Jan 31 20:38:20 javispedro: i have a rootfs laying about i was pondering to try and boot. Jan 31 20:38:39 I have the rootfs around too Jan 31 20:38:54 combine with serial console and it might actually work, heh Jan 31 20:39:09 well Jan 31 20:39:23 wouldn't DirectFB have issues? Jan 31 20:39:28 not really Jan 31 20:39:29 maybe, only I tried was running individual binaries from Maemo. Directly booting it may have better luck or not :) Jan 31 20:39:40 * b-man17 was not able to run DirectFB on his N800 Jan 31 20:39:53 b-man17: omapfb in n900 is different Jan 31 20:40:04 ah Jan 31 20:40:45 maybe it's worth a shot, for kicks Jan 31 20:46:39 is there a FTP GUI ? Jan 31 20:48:22 solpete2: gftp? Jan 31 20:50:03 b-man17 is it in devel ? Jan 31 20:56:17 Can anyone explain how the album art works with ogg (on n900)? Also if someone knows a good program for editing ogg tags on linux that would be appreciated. Jan 31 20:56:25 darned phone - got to go Jan 31 20:56:30 g'night all! Jan 31 20:56:40 c ya Jan 31 21:00:55 Any idea how to detect gtk.DrawingArea clicks? Jan 31 21:01:04 (on python) Jan 31 21:03:05 hmm... no gtk wizards available ... sigh Jan 31 21:04:17 konttori, you probably need a http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkEventBox.html Jan 31 21:04:30 cool. thanks Jan 31 21:04:55 Gilly: I use quodlibet. Jan 31 21:04:57 konttori, did you read that thing I posted in that thread that time? (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=16720&page=5) Jan 31 21:05:26 Pavel: thanks. Jan 31 21:05:54 Pavel: Or, if you want just the editor, I think Ex Falso is the standalone version. Jan 31 21:06:15 aahaha that reminds me of a quote, pop quiz, from which movie is this possibly, but not certainly accurate quote: "it's where I put that thing that time" Jan 31 21:06:22 ? Jan 31 21:07:28 mece: cool. No, I missed your reply. Great that you made it! Jan 31 21:08:41 ok Jan 31 21:09:54 I guess Marina is finished now at last :) Jan 31 21:10:02 woo :) Jan 31 21:10:06 * Stskeeps gets out the champagne Jan 31 21:10:32 Stskeeps: hehe Jan 31 21:13:23 let's play "apple slogan game" - first 100% genuine theme :D Jan 31 21:17:53 Pavel: ql is awesome! Jan 31 21:19:07 hi Jan 31 21:19:16 hi Jan 31 21:19:23 Jaffa: online? Jan 31 21:20:14 hrw|n900: Yup Jan 31 21:20:31 Jaffa: I have suggestion for Hermes. Let it uses IM accounts for fetching missing contacts data Jan 31 21:20:41 hrw|n900: How so? Jan 31 21:20:57 mece: mikhas : thanks. I got it working! Jan 31 21:21:11 konttori, nice. What are you making? Jan 31 21:21:13 konttori, cool! Jan 31 21:21:34 Jaffa: Jabber has 'userinfo' which is vcard. by default new IM contacts are added as JID only to contatcs Jan 31 21:21:40 Doing some new video player Jan 31 21:21:47 hrw|n900: Interesting Jan 31 21:21:55 interesting. Jan 31 21:21:58 :) Jan 31 21:22:02 I kinda miss some features from the default player and want to have a different take. Jan 31 21:22:09 konttori: Using MAFW? Jan 31 21:22:13 nope Jan 31 21:22:18 Jaffa: so if you iterate over contacts you can get names, address etc. Jan 31 21:22:22 like, understandable playlist interaction? Jan 31 21:22:32 well, playlists... not so much yet. Jan 31 21:22:53 Now, I was working on the video player widget and setting the window to fullscreen by clicking on the video Jan 31 21:23:07 konttori: subtitles? remembering las played position? Jan 31 21:23:10 I just gave up with that, I delete and copy the new stuff I want to hear in rotation =) Jan 31 21:23:21 even default player remembers last position. Jan 31 21:23:28 yes, subtitles will be included Jan 31 21:23:33 now, off to bed. Jan 31 21:24:35 uf, got my machine back Jan 31 21:26:41 Jaffa: so what do you think? Jan 31 21:26:59 hrw|gone: Nice idea Jan 31 21:27:17 I wonder how hard it would be Jan 31 21:30:01 anyway sleep time Jan 31 21:34:21 * timeless_mbp looks for someone w/ time to talk through a problem Jan 31 21:35:56 What kind of problem? :) Jan 31 21:36:14 timeless_mbp: what did you break now Jan 31 21:36:33 msgstr "Tap again to open the Application menu" Jan 31 21:36:36 ok Jan 31 21:36:37 msgstr "Tap again to show the Applications menu" Jan 31 21:36:39 msgstr "Tap again …to show your Applications menu" Jan 31 21:36:45 that last one is what i broke Jan 31 21:37:01 can anybody please shoot me some screens with Marina for the blog? Jan 31 21:37:04 you broke your menu? Jan 31 21:37:19 cause SDK shots are really shitty Jan 31 21:37:20 wazd: what? Jan 31 21:37:31 Xisdibik: i'm writing a script which builds automatic search+replaces based on locale packages Jan 31 21:37:42 the first string is the original string Jan 31 21:37:48 the second string is the target string Jan 31 21:38:08 the third is the first + a compose of search and replaces based on all deltas between the first string-set and the second string-set Jan 31 21:38:24 timeless_mbp: hmm, I dont know if i would be much help with your problem then :/ Jan 31 21:38:34 the problem i have, is getting scim to work on the n900 :/ Jan 31 21:40:03 Xisdibik: Good luck with that. Jan 31 21:40:25 Supposedly microb doesn't support pre-edit properly. Jan 31 21:40:25 Xisdibik: i need a programmer to use as a sounding board Jan 31 21:40:51 derf: i mainly want it for typing emails/SMS messages in japanese ;) Jan 31 21:40:52 Xisdibik: there is a fremantle theme in Extras-testing Jan 31 21:41:43 wazd: called Marina? Jan 31 21:41:47 Xisdibik: called Marina. I've made it and I want to post the news to my blog :) But I don't have any screenshots without bug marks to post Jan 31 21:42:37 Xisdibik: I don't have my own n900 so I have to ask somebody to help every time :) Jan 31 21:42:54 wazd: i dont see it in the repos :/ Jan 31 21:42:56 and i have testing enabled Jan 31 21:43:04 Xisdibik: hmm Jan 31 21:43:13 is it called something besides just Marina? Jan 31 21:43:21 like n900-theme-Marina or something? Jan 31 21:43:29 Xisdibik: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/hildon-theme-marina/1.02/ Jan 31 21:43:37 ah hildon-theme-marina ;P Jan 31 21:43:55 ill check after i refresh the repos just incase it was an old list Jan 31 21:44:33 i see it Jan 31 21:45:10 Xisdibik: thanks Jan 31 21:46:34 though, i dont know how to take screenshots on the n900 ;) Jan 31 21:46:44 but its installin it Jan 31 21:47:15 ctrl-shift-p Jan 31 21:47:32 wheres the default location of the picture? Jan 31 21:47:33 Images? Jan 31 21:48:23 I guess so Jan 31 21:48:24 wazd: You want a clean screenshot, or a dirty one (with icons on the desktop) Jan 31 21:48:40 Xisdibik: as dirty as possible :) Jan 31 21:48:51 Xisdibik: but arranged in some way if it's possible) Jan 31 21:49:03 i have one page that is Jan 31 21:49:18 Calender, AP news, email phone contacts, and the data connection upload download amounts Jan 31 21:49:23 that dirty enough for u ? :p Jan 31 21:49:36 Xisdibik: desktop, browser, some apps, task switcher, whatever you like Jan 31 21:49:45 phone would be nice too Jan 31 21:49:49 kk Jan 31 21:51:33 oki doki Jan 31 21:51:37 now i just need to upload them Jan 31 21:54:18 wb andre__ Jan 31 21:54:33 ayayay Stskeeps! Jan 31 21:55:36 wazd: http://imagebin.org/82751 Jan 31 21:56:44 wazd: http://imagebin.org/82752 Jan 31 21:57:07 andre__: heya Jan 31 21:57:12 Xisdibik, are you using maemocjk's scim? Jan 31 21:57:21 wazd: http://imagebin.org/82753 Jan 31 21:57:26 Xisdibik: awesome Jan 31 21:57:33 kimitake: i tried a few couldnt get any of them to work, did u get it to work? Jan 31 21:57:40 i think i have your blog bookmarked kimitake Jan 31 21:57:52 wazd: ah crap forgot the phone one, ill take it in a sec Jan 31 21:58:15 wazd: http://imagebin.org/82754 Jan 31 21:58:31 Xisdibik: oh, calculator would be nice too :P Jan 31 21:59:28 could someone paste my join message Jan 31 21:59:41 wazd: anything else? :P Jan 31 21:59:43 and / or tell if there was a host change message Jan 31 21:59:53 or if I joined with my current hostname to begin with? Jan 31 22:00:08 red [red@unaffiliated/red] has joined #maemo Jan 31 22:00:13 Xisdibik: no, I think that's enough :) Thanks a lot Jan 31 22:00:28 inz: and I take it there was no changing host quit message just before? Jan 31 22:00:33 Xisdibik: oh, opened statusbar :) Jan 31 22:00:40 red, no, just before was leaving message Jan 31 22:00:48 good, works like a charm then Jan 31 22:01:04 SSL connection, cloaked hostname and autoidentifying working as expected ^^ Jan 31 22:01:22 I prefer vanity domain names over cloaks =) Jan 31 22:01:27 now those bastards in Sweden won't be reading what I'm jabbering in IRC, unless they are on the channel that is ;) Jan 31 22:01:44 wazd: OK Jan 31 22:03:34 wazd: http://imagebin.org/82755 Jan 31 22:04:00 wazd: http://imagebin.org/82756 Jan 31 22:04:20 wazd: http://imagebin.org/82757 Jan 31 22:05:01 is there a good way to get dependencies from my list of imported modules in my python app? Jan 31 22:05:40 Xisdibik: great, that's enough :) Jan 31 22:05:43 hey wazd did you get that background from the Win 7 beta? Jan 31 22:05:44 Xisdibik: ta Jan 31 22:05:53 Xisdibik: mm, nope Jan 31 22:05:58 looks really similar Jan 31 22:06:00 minus the fish Jan 31 22:06:14 * Stskeeps hides from wazd Jan 31 22:06:15 Xisdibik: well, it looks like underwater Jan 31 22:06:19 Xisdibik: :) Jan 31 22:06:39 ah, and it is different, the one for win 7 was light coming from the top Jan 31 22:06:42 :) Jan 31 22:07:04 I do like how the buttons/task bar etc look in the theme Jan 31 22:07:12 Xisdibik: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/01/14/the-funny-thing/ Jan 31 22:07:21 Xisdibik: good :) Jan 31 22:07:40 Stskeeps: :D Jan 31 22:08:13 :D Jan 31 22:08:16 that was funny Jan 31 22:18:46 kimitake: you still around? Jan 31 22:22:16 anyone want to volunteer to test the dependencies on my comic widget? Jan 31 22:24:03 mece, You just wont someone to try to install it? Jan 31 22:24:13 Ken-Young, yes :) Jan 31 22:24:27 I'll bite. Where can I find it? Jan 31 22:24:53 Ken-Young, https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=1276 Jan 31 22:26:48 Xisdibik, yes Jan 31 22:27:24 Ken-Young, there is one issue that I'm aware of. Well a couple, but one major one. It will become invisible after a reboot, so you have to remove it and add it again after that. FYI. Jan 31 22:29:37 mece, Didn't install. It needs hildon-desktop-python-loader, and that is not installed on my N900. Jan 31 22:29:54 ok, well that's in the dependencies. Jan 31 22:31:25 Ken-Young, try, as root, apt-get install --fix-missing Jan 31 22:31:34 and see what happens Jan 31 22:31:37 mece, OK Jan 31 22:32:01 * mece is a little excited to see what happens. Jan 31 22:32:54 kimitake: Would you take patches to enable skk as an alternative to anthy? Jan 31 22:33:25 OK, I had to do an apt-get -f install, then the --fix-missing, but after that I could install your .drb . Jan 31 22:33:29 kimitake: have you used his scim, and did you get it working? Jan 31 22:34:21 Ken-Young, does the program work then? That's the real question. Jan 31 22:34:26 derf: I'm not familiar with skk... Jan 31 22:34:30 random question, is your SCIM's usable without keyboard? Jan 31 22:34:53 mece, I don't see a new menu item - how can I test it? Jan 31 22:35:00 Xisdibik, what do you mean his scim? Jan 31 22:35:04 Ken-Young, it's a desktop widget Jan 31 22:35:12 kimitake: http://openlab.ring.gr.jp/skk/ Jan 31 22:35:44 the one you mentioned. maemocjk's scrim ;) guess its not really a him, but that one ;) Jan 31 22:35:54 mece, I don't see a new widget on my desktop. Jan 31 22:36:09 Ken-Young, and it's not in the add widget list? Jan 31 22:36:23 derf, it seems there is scim-skk, so him-scim could use skk also. Jan 31 22:36:26 mece, Nope. Jan 31 22:36:32 kimitake: Right. Jan 31 22:36:34 Ken-Young, right, actually, I think there is a problem with the python loader thingie. Jan 31 22:37:09 mece, What exactly should the widget be called in the add widget list? Jan 31 22:37:11 Ken-Young, after installing that, it might need a reboot of hildon-home (or the whole phone)- Either way, you can try the widget manually Jan 31 22:37:16 Comic widget Jan 31 22:37:27 Xisdibik, some Japanese N900 user are using him-scim Jan 31 22:37:32 mece, Sorry, it's not there. Jan 31 22:37:55 Ken-Young you can run it like this: python /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/comic-widget.py Jan 31 22:38:12 http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/marina-theme/ Jan 31 22:38:14 kimitake: yea, ive tried them all, after installing, how do you start it up. :/ Jan 31 22:38:19 Ken-Young, that will also give you some output and you'll see any python errors regarding missing modules. Jan 31 22:39:10 mece, That does not work either. Jan 31 22:39:16 Xisdibik, I have been asked on my blog so I just added comment in English, but you him-scim is one of virtual keyboard, so you need to enable it Jan 31 22:39:18 Ken-Young, what does it say? Jan 31 22:39:40 mece, arguments to dbus_connection_get_data() were incorrect, assertion "connection != NULL" failed in file dbus-connection.c line 5757. Jan 31 22:39:53 Ken-Young, wow. Jan 31 22:40:08 Ken-Young, nothing before that? Jan 31 22:40:42 kimitake: ahhh, its virtual. that helps:). so you cant use the normal keyboard to type romanji and have it convert to hiragana/katakana? Jan 31 22:40:48 mece, That's the first error test. After that is says: This is normally a bug in some application using the D-Bus library. Jan 31 22:40:49 process 1757: arguments to dbus_connection_set_data() were incorrect, assertion "connection != NULL" failed in file dbus-connection.c line 5721. Jan 31 22:40:49 This is normally a bug in some application using the D-Bus library. Jan 31 22:40:49 Aborted Jan 31 22:41:17 usually get that when you run something as root instead of user Jan 31 22:41:19 s/test/text/ Jan 31 22:41:29 Ken-Young, ah. yes run as user. Jan 31 22:41:40 mece, OK, I'll try that. Jan 31 22:42:00 Xisdibik, actually if you set GTK_IM_MODULE=scim on command line, you can use it directly. Jan 31 22:42:01 frals, thanks for the info :) Jan 31 22:42:27 Xisdibik, but in this case, you cannot use default HIM anymore. Jan 31 22:42:33 yes frals, thanks. It works when run as user. Jan 31 22:42:46 oh.. works? as in you see a picture and everything? Jan 31 22:42:52 mece, Yup. Jan 31 22:43:01 Xisdibik, so I have wrote him-scim (hildon input method plugin) and it just set the environment in it. Jan 31 22:43:07 Ken-Young, well that's nice. Then the dependencies look to be ok. Jan 31 22:43:09 mece, Got a comic displayed nicely. Jan 31 22:43:12 Xisdibik, so the GUI can use scim. Jan 31 22:43:24 Ken-Young, ok. try clicking the star Jan 31 22:43:43 kimitake: but for your HIM-scim, its set to just work the the Virtual KB? Jan 31 22:44:05 Ken-Young, (should display a different comic, perhaps xkcd) Jan 31 22:44:21 mece, Got an xkcd comic on the stuck rover when I clicked the star. Jan 31 22:44:32 Ken-Young. well cool. Jan 31 22:44:38 Xisdibik, him-scim's one is temporary setting, so you still use the default HIM Jan 31 22:45:13 mece, It looks nice! Jan 31 22:45:20 kimitake: maybe i dont know enough about how that all works to totally get what you mean :) Jan 31 22:45:21 Ken-Young, it appears to be working. If you want to (you really don't have to) you could ctrl-c the app and remboot, and then try to add widget. Jan 31 22:45:43 Ken-Young, thanks :) Jan 31 22:45:51 mece, I'll give that a try - it's been nearly 20 minutes since my last reboot anyway. Jan 31 22:46:01 Ken-Young, LOL Jan 31 22:46:59 Does anyone know how to get rid of that insipid hand-clasp video that plays during reboots? Jan 31 22:47:31 Xisdibik, please check http://kimitakeblog.net/item/704#c1708 Jan 31 22:48:05 Ken-Young: /etc/hildon-welcome.d/ and comment it out Jan 31 22:48:20 jebba, Thanks! Jan 31 22:48:47 Ken-Young, you can also delete the file (or move it to opt or MyDocs, to free up 1.5Mb of rootfs :) Jan 31 22:48:50 mece, Sadly, it's still not in the add widget list after a reboot. Jan 31 22:49:03 Ken-Young, dammit. Jan 31 22:49:13 Ken-Young, I'll look into that. Jan 31 22:49:20 mece, Nice widget though. Jan 31 22:50:42 Ken-Young, just to be sure. Did you check if it's somewhere, invisible? It takes up space but you can't see it unless you enter the edit desktop mode. Jan 31 22:52:26 mece, I'm not sure I know ecactly what I should be looking for, but I want into edit mode on all desktops, and I don't see any sign of it. Jan 31 22:52:38 s/ecactly/exactly/ Jan 31 22:52:39 Ken-Young meant: mece, I'm not sure I know exactly what I should be looking for, but I want into edit mode on all desktops, and I don't see any sign of it. Jan 31 22:52:42 Ken-Young, ok, it's not there then. Jan 31 22:53:29 Ken-Young, you would see a [x] and a [wrench] icon in the would-be corners of the invisible widgets. Buttons that don't belong to any other widget. Jan 31 22:54:02 mece, I didn't see anything like that. Jan 31 22:56:34 it seems the usb port on my n900 is broken Jan 31 22:56:42 have any of you had the same problem? Jan 31 22:56:52 broken how? Jan 31 22:57:00 my battery just ran out and there's no way to charge it now Jan 31 22:57:13 tried the wallcharger? Jan 31 22:57:16 yes Jan 31 22:57:38 right that means im out of ideas :P Jan 31 22:57:52 it must be physically broken Jan 31 22:58:04 do you see a led liht if you wiggle gently? Jan 31 22:58:10 light Jan 31 22:58:19 Ken-Young, thank you very much for the help, I'll see if I can find the problem with the widget not showing up in the list. Jan 31 22:58:28 pupnik___: yes Jan 31 22:58:34 yuizy: production or summit? Jan 31 22:58:46 production Jan 31 22:58:55 mece, My pleasure. Jan 31 23:00:58 yuizy: the place device so there is light pressure on the charging cable Jan 31 23:02:09 yuizy: send it in for warranty i'd say Jan 31 23:10:35 yuizy: i had this exact same thing happen to one. I'm sending it back (amazon) Jan 31 23:11:03 evening jebba Jan 31 23:11:05 :E Jan 31 23:12:27 this just sucks Jan 31 23:12:47 my mini-laptop has the same problem Jan 31 23:12:57 i can't charge it either Jan 31 23:32:45 great Jan 31 23:33:18 transifex tried to overwrite a file on my repo... Jan 31 23:33:44 my package doesn't build with autobuilder, it's complaining about not having mce/mode-names.h and mce/dbus-names.h, which are used for the rotation, any ideas? Jan 31 23:33:56 wouldn't you happen to know a way I could let people get the POT file _without_ adding it to the file filter? (So that nobody can try to overwrite it...) Jan 31 23:35:23 hmm.. how do I request 'current orientation' of the phone ? Jan 31 23:37:19 hey Stskeeps :) Jan 31 23:51:35 * lcuk hits javispedro on the head with a heavy instrument and takes him away to sekrit underground labs Jan 31 23:53:07 Ken-Young, ping Jan 31 23:53:33 mece, pong Jan 31 23:56:23 mece, You rang? Jan 31 23:56:37 Ken-Young, could you check which version of python-hildondesktop you have? Jan 31 23:56:58 mece, How can I check that? Jan 31 23:57:27 umm.. how was it again Jan 31 23:57:50 dpkg -l python-hildondesktop Jan 31 23:57:58 that's a small L Jan 31 23:58:06 lowercase L Jan 31 23:58:51 0.1.0-1maemo2 Feb 01 00:00:13 Ken-Young, agh--crap. I have the same one. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5232 says that the problem should have been fixed in 0.1.0-1maemo1 Feb 01 00:00:14 Bug 5232: Desktop Widget does not appear in "Add Widget" list Feb 01 00:05:59 wazd: I see one issue with your Marina theme Feb 01 00:08:04 Xisdibik: let me guess Feb 01 00:08:08 Xisdibik: gear? :) Feb 01 00:09:01 wazd: gear? what gear? in modest, the author/time are in blue, which happens to be the color that new mail is supposed to be as well :P Feb 01 00:09:30 Xisdibik: can you make a screenshot? Feb 01 00:09:32 I opened my email and was like woah howd all my mail become unread.. oh its not :P Feb 01 00:09:48 well lemme test it a little first Feb 01 00:09:52 gonna send myself a mail and see how it looks Feb 01 00:10:28 ah its ok wazd Feb 01 00:10:36 the Subject shows in blue if its unread Feb 01 00:10:43 so i can distinguish between unread and red Feb 01 00:10:44 read* Feb 01 00:22:19 On Ovi Maps on N900, is there a way to "bookmark" a location for future use? Feb 01 00:27:11 oh Feb 01 00:27:41 does the palm pre have a snes emulator? Feb 01 00:28:36 cause I just thought that my emu is basically sdl drpocketsnes, and could be a prime candidate to port to the "palm blessed" libsdl1.2 Feb 01 00:29:15 (thinking loudly since I'm playing with a friend's Pre...) Feb 01 01:06:22 Is there any way to adjust the encoding settings for the video camera app? Feb 01 01:09:44 I find myself taking 2-6 GB of video a day. Feb 01 01:10:09 dmj726, How long is that, in elapsed time? Feb 01 01:10:16 up to 3 hours Feb 01 01:11:15 wow :) Feb 01 01:11:49 I now have video of most of my lectures Feb 01 01:12:37 and how do you fixate the device while filming, dmj726? Feb 01 01:12:51 hold it in my left hand Feb 01 01:12:58 take notes with my right hand Feb 01 01:13:09 sounds stressing Feb 01 01:13:15 not really Feb 01 01:13:35 i guess i would be too lazy for that Feb 01 01:13:58 I just aim it in the general direction, not very professional looking but it's good enough to have the professor and what he's writing Feb 01 01:45:16 So is repository.maemo.org just broken? Feb 01 01:52:02 hello Feb 01 01:54:53 user_, Hi Feb 01 01:55:23 anybody here? Feb 01 01:55:37 user_, I am, many others are too. Feb 01 01:55:51 i see...kinda quiet Feb 01 01:56:15 user_, It was much more active a couple of hours ago. Feb 01 01:56:29 ok Feb 01 01:56:54 user_, I think this channel is often more active during evening hours in europe. Feb 01 01:57:05 yes true Feb 01 01:57:15 i am in Canada Feb 01 01:58:20 sup Feb 01 01:58:34 hey Feb 01 01:59:32 welcome Feb 01 01:59:41 want my social security number Feb 01 01:59:46 Build #7085 of 10,220. Debs built: 4658 Feb 01 02:00:02 Delink the sacred server Feb 01 02:00:02 Sodomize the holy channel Feb 01 02:00:02 Drink the red blood of the wife of lilo Feb 01 02:00:02 Masturbation on the dead body of freenode Feb 01 02:00:02 The king of PDPC is dead Feb 01 02:00:03 and so are the lies Feb 01 02:00:03 Vomit on the host of Wikipedos Feb 01 02:00:04 Masturbate on the throne of #ruby-lang Feb 01 02:00:04 Break the seals of lilo's oper block Feb 01 02:00:05 Drink the sweet blood of #emacs Feb 01 02:00:06 Taste the open sores Feb 01 02:00:06 Sodomize open source Feb 01 02:00:07 The king of PDPC is an idiot Feb 01 02:00:07 The IRC network will burn Feb 01 02:00:08 Delink the IRC server Feb 01 02:00:08 Rob Levin is dead Feb 01 02:00:51 Rob's federal employer identification number is 74-3033697 Feb 01 02:00:51 The address officially listed for pdpc is 10100 main street #31 houson tx Feb 01 02:00:51 77025. Feb 01 02:00:52 Phone number for pdpc officially listed is 713-589-5863. Feb 01 02:00:52 Rob's ssn is 462 13 0351. Feb 01 02:00:52 PDPC's 11-digit texas state taxpayer number 32004514421 Feb 01 02:00:53 Rob's apartment is at 9212 BURDINE ST. #1005 HOUSTON, TX 77096. Feb 01 02:00:53 12-16-1955 is Rob's birthday Feb 01 02:01:44 The Devil (Greek: diabolos = 'slanderer' or 'accuser'[1]) is believed in certain religions and cultures to be a powerful, supernatural entity that is the personification of evil and the enemy of God and humankind. The Devil is commonly associated with heretics, infidels, and other unbelievers. The Abrahamic religions have variously regarded the Devil as a rebellious fallen angel or demon... Feb 01 02:01:46 ...that tempts humans to sin or commit evil deeds. Others regard the Devil as an allegory that represents a crisis of faith, individualism, free will, wisdom and enlightenment. Feb 01 02:01:47 In mainstream Christianity, God and the Devil are usually portrayed as fighting over the souls of humans, with the Devil seeking to lure people away from God and into Hell. The Devil commands a force of evil angels, commonly known as demons.[2] The Hebrew Bible (or Old Testament) describes the Adversary (Ha-satan) as an angel who instigates tests upon humankind.[3][4] Many other religions... Feb 01 02:01:48 ...have a trickster or tempter figure that is similar to the Devil. Modern conceptions of the Devil include the concept that it symbolizes humans' own lower nature or sinfulness. Feb 01 02:02:37 word2007adobefla: run along now you little nutjob Feb 01 02:03:10 NIGGER Feb 01 02:03:16 i run freenode Feb 01 02:03:17 try again Feb 01 02:03:20 i suck dick in a trailer Feb 01 02:03:30 i steal all your money from donations Feb 01 02:03:31 you're boring Feb 01 02:03:50 buy a flood script or something Feb 01 02:04:19 Phone number for pdpc officially listed is 713-589-5863. Feb 01 02:04:19 Rob's ssn is 462 13 0351. Feb 01 02:04:19 PDPC's 11-digit texas state taxpayer number 32004514421 Feb 01 02:04:19 Rob's apartment is at 9212 BURDINE ST. #1005 HOUSTON, TX 77096. Feb 01 02:04:19 12-16-1955 is Rob's birthday Feb 01 02:04:27 yes yes, you've said that Feb 01 02:04:32 this script... very boring ... Feb 01 02:04:36 someone needs to bas these people NOW :P Feb 01 02:04:39 *ban Feb 01 02:04:41 Phone number for pdpc officially listed is 713-589-5863. Feb 01 02:04:41 Rob's ssn is 462 13 0351. Feb 01 02:04:41 PDPC's 11-digit texas state taxpayer number 32004514421 Feb 01 02:04:41 Rob's apartment is at 9212 BURDINE ST. #1005 HOUSTON, TX 77096. Feb 01 02:04:41 12-16-1955 is Rob's birthday Feb 01 02:04:43 Phone number for pdpc officially listed is 713-589-5863. Feb 01 02:04:44 Rob's ssn is 462 13 0351. Feb 01 02:04:44 PDPC's 11-digit texas state taxpayer number 32004514421 Feb 01 02:04:44 Rob's apartment is at 9212 BURDINE ST. #1005 HOUSTON, TX 77096. Feb 01 02:04:44 12-16-1955 is Rob's birthday Feb 01 02:04:44 Phone number for pdpc officially listed is 713-589-5863. Feb 01 02:04:44 Rob's ssn is 462 13 0351. Feb 01 02:04:45 PDPC's 11-digit texas state taxpayer number 32004514421 Feb 01 02:04:46 Rob's apartment is at 9212 BURDINE ST. #1005 HOUSTON, TX 77096. Feb 01 02:04:46 12-16-1955 is Rob's birthday Feb 01 02:04:47 Phone number for pdpc officially listed is 713-589-5863. Feb 01 02:04:47 Rob's ssn is 462 13 0351. Feb 01 02:04:55 * zash /ignore Feb 01 02:05:12 thanks GeneralAntilles Feb 01 02:05:12 thank you GeneralAntilles Feb 01 02:05:15 Glad not everyone's in Europe. Feb 01 02:05:23 GeneralAntilles: o7 Feb 01 02:05:28 yeah it'd get crowded Feb 01 02:05:56 Christ this network is really going in the shitter. Feb 01 02:06:11 it seems so :P Feb 01 02:06:32 in fairness, the kind of half-wits have always been around Feb 01 02:06:36 *these Feb 01 02:06:37 i haven't seen this kind of spam ever on #maemo Feb 01 02:06:49 doc|home, yeah, but it's particularly bad lately. Feb 01 02:06:52 * doc|home nods Feb 01 02:06:56 07-12-1987 is wazd's birthday Feb 01 02:06:58 :P Feb 01 02:07:02 Daily botspam, all sorts of prickery. Feb 01 02:07:04 GeneralAntilles: I think some gnaa numpty's took a dislike to freenode Feb 01 02:07:12 doc Feb 01 02:07:13 * doc|home looks aghast at that ' Feb 01 02:07:19 doc|home, seems like it. Feb 01 02:08:22 target the channels with the most users in them Feb 01 02:11:32 Staff is a little touchy. . . . Feb 01 02:11:52 I think the word you wanted there was sh... wait, are we allowed to swear here? Feb 01 02:12:00 Fuck yeah! Feb 01 02:12:04 LOL Feb 01 02:12:07 the word was ... shit! Feb 01 02:21:13 hmm Feb 01 02:21:46 does anyone know how to right-click in emelfm2 in fremantle? Feb 01 02:50:42 we are allowed to swear here GeneralAntilles ??? Feb 01 02:50:57 what about all the 12 yr olds with n900's here with innocent ears? Feb 01 02:54:47 you mean the ones with access to bullshit bingo? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 01 02:59:56 2010