**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 06 02:59:56 2010 Feb 06 03:00:45 why ipv6? Feb 06 03:01:02 because it works sanely? :p Feb 06 03:01:26 i don't need ipv6 yet Feb 06 03:01:27 assuming N900 has it setup >.> Feb 06 03:01:33 uhsf: everyone needs IPv6 Feb 06 03:01:47 and it's the easiest way to do a p2p link like you want Feb 06 03:02:40 i don't want to mess my whole system networking just to solve this problem Feb 06 03:02:54 i'll switch to ipv6 when my isp does Feb 06 03:04:01 it won't mess anything Feb 06 03:19:36 ok i think i got it Feb 06 03:19:59 ty, luke-jr for leading me in the right direction Feb 06 05:33:31 sup guise Feb 06 05:52:47 just gt my n900, so just been playing with it for the past 6 hours =p Feb 06 05:53:03 dracflamloc: becareful, the micro usb port on it is very weak Feb 06 05:53:22 yea i know. Feb 06 05:53:25 kinda scares me Feb 06 05:53:26 mine broke Feb 06 05:53:27 x.x Feb 06 05:53:29 http://www.reddit.com/r/n900/comments/axedg/warning_the_mirco_usb_port_on_the_n900_breaks/ << Feb 06 05:53:52 damn Feb 06 05:54:10 treat that port like a newborn baby , born only hours ago Feb 06 05:54:28 lol, yea im trying Feb 06 05:54:53 and if you wnat to file down the hooks of doom on the charger Feb 06 05:55:00 or get a diffent one wiht out hooks of doom x.x Feb 06 06:09:22 mine broke too Feb 06 06:09:27 man, people must be seriously harsh on their micro-usb ports Feb 06 06:09:57 it was a new unit Feb 06 06:10:10 weird Feb 06 06:10:30 microlith: not really Feb 06 06:10:35 that sounds like there's an issue when soldering down the connector Feb 06 06:10:36 the n900 port is very weak Feb 06 06:16:00 my micro-usb port hasn't broken yet... Feb 06 06:16:49 and I haven't been that careful Feb 06 06:16:56 well mabye you should Feb 06 06:31:54 yeah mine broke yesterday Feb 06 06:32:00 sucks Feb 06 06:32:44 no indication of problem at all, then yesterday intermittant charging, looking at the port it looked a bit angled, then this morning it popped out Feb 06 06:32:51 T_T Feb 06 06:33:06 * luke-jr is glad he didn't buy a N900 Feb 06 06:33:08 <.< Feb 06 06:33:13 oh Feb 06 06:33:57 yeah gonna wait on buying one until i know they fixed the problem Feb 06 06:34:11 don't want another to break within 6 months Feb 06 06:34:27 or even less Feb 06 06:34:54 that or a nexus one, but GA says he'll come kick my ass if i buy one of those :P Feb 06 06:36:18 google will protect you from him Feb 06 06:36:23 lol Feb 06 06:36:25 they will sense ninjas in black helicopters etc Feb 06 06:36:28 send Feb 06 06:37:08 rm_you: get a Nexus Two then? Feb 06 06:37:13 :P Feb 06 06:37:22 i wish the nexus had a keyboard Feb 06 06:37:31 I hear N2 will Feb 06 06:37:44 lol, just gotta hold out then, eh? Feb 06 06:37:50 what about n910? :P Feb 06 06:37:56 I'm holding out for the LG Apollo or something similar Feb 06 06:38:04 1 GB *real* RAM Feb 06 06:38:08 lol Feb 06 06:38:11 1.3 GHz Feb 06 06:38:39 gah, gotta run T_T Feb 06 06:38:42 * rm_you disappears Feb 06 06:38:44 or maybe I'll build something custom if I can get ahold of a board with that dual 1.5 GHz Snapdragon <.< Feb 06 06:39:12 have fun with that (and the case you'll be hauling it around in) Feb 06 06:39:28 microlith: who needs a case? :P Feb 06 06:39:41 I know, I like hauling around bare PCBs too Feb 06 06:39:44 hehe Feb 06 06:39:56 I'd probably just sew some fabric around it or something Feb 06 06:39:57 "National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair told representatives that American citizens can be assassinated by the US government when they are oveseas" Feb 06 06:40:32 the hard part will be finding a keyboard I like Feb 06 06:40:40 maybe I can dissect my C760 for parts Feb 06 06:40:45 not sure it's useful for anything else now Feb 06 06:41:00 just buy a phone. Feb 06 06:41:07 undocumented hardware is a riot to dissect Feb 06 06:41:25 microlith: even keyboards? Feb 06 06:41:33 RST38h: I would if I could find one I was happy with :/ Feb 06 06:42:01 but once I get past 2 requirements, nobody makes it -.- Feb 06 06:42:44 usually RAM is a big limiting factor Feb 06 06:43:11 the real world is just now catching up with luke-jr's requirements Feb 06 06:45:50 hell samsung's still in sample phase on all of its 1GByte OneNAND devices Feb 06 06:47:05 luke: HD2-like HTC phone with Android is apparently coming Feb 06 06:47:15 It should do the trick Feb 06 06:47:50 Or buy an N900 already Feb 06 07:10:40 RST38h: minus the keyboard :P Feb 06 07:15:33 luke: N900 then Feb 06 07:30:16 RST38h: my requirements for RAM are up to 500 MB now :P Feb 06 07:30:36 and why would I get a N900 now after I've been hearing all these complaints in here? XD Feb 06 07:32:59 it works for me *shrugs* Feb 06 07:35:31 works for me too Feb 06 07:35:56 luke: what do you do with RAM? =) Feb 06 07:36:01 RST38h: run KDE 4 Feb 06 07:36:08 * RST38h facepalms Feb 06 07:36:10 XD Feb 06 07:36:31 well, people always complain, that is natural Feb 06 07:42:18 I have an N800 and the screen is flickering ... do I need to replace the screen? Feb 06 07:44:07 zetheroo: too little data Feb 06 07:44:39 I know that my N810's screen will always flicker with my experimental 2.6.32 kernel Feb 06 07:44:57 the screen starts jittering after being on for an hour or so .. sometimes it does it as soon as its powered on Feb 06 07:46:50 just wondering if its a hardware of software issue .. Feb 06 07:51:50 other people with n800 have reported jitter/scrolling too Feb 06 08:02:08 It happens at the end. Feb 06 08:02:14 Before your N800 dies. Feb 06 08:02:32 Start funeral preparations now. Feb 06 08:02:36 ... Feb 06 08:04:07 * Stskeeps cries over his n800 Feb 06 08:05:39 pretty short lifetime Feb 06 08:07:08 paid just over 300 bucks for this thing and about a year into its life it's already "at the end"!? Feb 06 08:22:51 wekk yah have to rember even if you baughit it "new" it's still old Feb 06 08:26:47 zetheroo: what? Feb 06 08:26:55 I bought my N810 a year ago and it was only $200 Feb 06 08:27:07 why on earth would you have paid $300 for a N800?? Feb 06 08:28:00 I bought my N800 about 18 months ago ... but its been doing this for the past 5-6 months ... Feb 06 08:35:47 luke-jr: have you tested out the freeciv on the n900 at all? Feb 06 08:36:01 Xisdibik: will do so as soon as someone buys me a N900 Feb 06 08:36:09 I sent you one months ago! Feb 06 08:36:13 musta got lost in the mail :/ Feb 06 08:37:05 <.< Feb 06 08:37:42 has anyone tried out the freeciv game on the n900? Feb 06 08:38:51 why do you ask? Feb 06 08:39:34 should I switch it back to the original version of Maemo? Feb 06 08:39:39 would that make any diff? Feb 06 08:40:02 tank-man: wondering how it looks on such a small screen and how nice it runs Feb 06 08:41:47 I really liked the N800 ... possibly as much as the N810 ... or a bit more Feb 06 08:41:49 :( Feb 06 08:42:59 has anyone here been using their Nokia tablet without a screen protector? Feb 06 08:43:18 I am just wondering if the screen will get all scratched up without one!? Feb 06 08:43:29 zetheroo: it may.. or not. Feb 06 08:43:37 I am using my n900 without a screen protector Feb 06 08:43:41 and its been fine sofar Feb 06 08:43:55 I tried replacing the original screen protector but its not nice as there are bits of dust etc under it Feb 06 08:44:13 it really handles how you handle em.. do you keep your phone in same pocket as keys etc.. Feb 06 08:44:40 ifreq: oh no ... never .. I am talking about using the stylus mainly Feb 06 08:44:50 will the stylus scratch the screen? Feb 06 08:45:04 depends if you sharpen it Feb 06 08:45:09 ha Feb 06 08:45:10 doubt it, unless you were trying to scratch it Feb 06 08:45:12 FUNNY!!! Feb 06 08:45:22 zetheroo: it wont, its not sharp. Feb 06 08:45:40 well i just noticed that the screen protectors get all scratched from the stylus Feb 06 08:45:47 with lines all over the place etc.. Feb 06 08:46:22 but i enjoyed having a scrprotector on my older tablets Feb 06 08:46:41 O.O Feb 06 08:46:49 now even Facebook is trying to sell me a N900 Feb 06 08:47:00 just buy it luke-jr Feb 06 08:47:03 >_< Feb 06 08:47:10 too small, not enough RAM, etc etc Feb 06 08:47:21 so you dont have money to buy it? Feb 06 08:47:22 * Xisdibik erases luke-jr's memory Feb 06 08:47:24 *g* Feb 06 08:47:25 go buy a n900 Feb 06 08:47:51 whats the n900 have over the n810? Feb 06 08:47:54 gaah, now even irc is trying to sell you n900 ;) Feb 06 08:48:04 it fits in your pocket without girls thinkin ur a perv Feb 06 08:48:05 ifreq: I spent $800 on my first handheld. I'd do it again if something could compare on a modern level. ;P Feb 06 08:48:13 zetheroo: GSM? Feb 06 08:48:25 n900 is like two years newere has a 3d chip and gsm Feb 06 08:48:50 shamus: the N900's 3D is builtin to the main chip just like the N8x0's was :P Feb 06 08:49:04 gsm ... meaning I can make/receive mobile phone calls Feb 06 08:49:05 ? Feb 06 08:49:10 zetheroo: also, N8x0 had even LESS RAM Feb 06 08:49:14 zetheroo: yes Feb 06 08:49:14 luke-jr: im a pretty picky phone user, and the n900 literally is the best phone ive ever had Feb 06 08:49:19 nice Feb 06 08:49:29 what the best price out there for one of them? Feb 06 08:49:33 Xisdibik: no doubt. N900 can make a pretty nice phone. But I don't want a phone. Feb 06 08:49:37 US or europe? Feb 06 08:50:00 luke-jr: yes you do, i know what you want :), you dont Feb 06 08:50:25 Xisdibik: I want a handheld computer. if it can bridge my bluetooth headset to phone calls, that's an added bonus. Feb 06 08:50:39 anyone without a n900 clearly doesnt know what they want, or doesnt have their priorities straight :P Feb 06 08:50:41 then again the reasion i would not get a n900 is it lacks the one gms 3g band i need to get 3g speeds on that one network Feb 06 08:50:58 Xisdibik: anyhow, under 4" screen is a no-go :P Feb 06 08:51:09 :P Feb 06 08:51:22 get a 7" LCD, and use TVout? :p Feb 06 08:51:38 that's too big to be a handheld Feb 06 08:51:47 4.5" then :P Feb 06 08:51:53 sure Feb 06 08:51:57 buy some legos Feb 06 08:52:21 if that were the only requirement of mine N900 didn't meet, I might consider that Feb 06 08:52:23 but it isn't :P Feb 06 08:52:40 get an ipad? :p Feb 06 08:52:43 lol jokin Feb 06 08:53:04 .... Feb 06 08:53:11 buy zaurus Feb 06 08:53:13 rather N900 than an iPad Feb 06 08:53:17 ditto Feb 06 08:53:20 ifreq: have one, that's what I'm looking to replace Feb 06 08:53:24 ditto Feb 06 08:53:26 64 MB RAM doesn't cut it anymore :p Feb 06 08:53:28 ipad looks fail Feb 06 08:53:32 64GB* Feb 06 08:53:34 oh Feb 06 08:53:34 wait Feb 06 08:53:35 ram Feb 06 08:53:41 Zaurus = 64 MB RAM Feb 06 08:53:55 also, its battery is fail Feb 06 08:53:57 ipads 16GB - 64GB of space is fail Feb 06 08:54:38 no literally Feb 06 08:54:44 my Z's battery lasts about 5 minutes now Feb 06 08:56:58 the n900 seems very similar to the n97 Feb 06 08:57:33 luke-jr, there are SO many things i would rather have than an iPad :P Feb 06 08:57:35 except the N97 is designed to be a phone Feb 06 08:57:50 and the N900 is (supposedly) designed to be a handheld Feb 06 08:58:03 luke-jr: what about this: http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/fujitsu-lifebook-u810/4505-3121_7-32600944.html Feb 06 08:58:11 been lookin it myself for a while Feb 06 08:58:16 im waiting for ipad knock offs for $100 :) Feb 06 08:58:31 luke-jr: but even the N97 has a slide out keyboard and 32GB storage ... Feb 06 08:58:54 tank-man; i am waiting for the Lenovo U1 Hybrid :) Feb 06 08:59:19 tank-man: they're $300 at the moment, and 2 years old Feb 06 08:59:36 what is it a hybrid of? Feb 06 08:59:59 ifreq: looks just a little too big Feb 06 09:00:05 tank-man: tablet/notebook Feb 06 09:00:29 tank-man: tablet runs Linux and the notebook runs Windows 7 ... Feb 06 09:01:16 well i would definitely have a N900 over an iPad ... no question about that Feb 06 09:01:20 sounds expensive Feb 06 09:01:28 luke-jr: then youre out of options Feb 06 09:02:10 tank-man: actually its going to be available for under $1000 Feb 06 09:02:13 :) Feb 06 09:02:26 ifreq: for the moment, perhaps :) Feb 06 09:02:35 ifreq: I'm somewhat patient. Feb 06 09:03:50 I hope my N810 screen last a bit longer than the N800 did ... :( Feb 06 09:04:39 seems like a great many people have been having this issue with the N800 ... strangely no word from Nokia on the subject ... Feb 06 09:05:30 I am using maemo OS2008 on my N810 ... is that the latest and greatetst? Feb 06 09:05:35 greatest ... Feb 06 09:06:11 how is mer progressing? Feb 06 09:07:39 hmm, trying to install mad-developer package to tryout madde, but it says the install file is corrupted.. Feb 06 09:07:59 dilblo(os2008) is the last os for the n8X0 that nokia released Feb 06 09:08:53 and what is Maemo 5? can i put that on my N810? Feb 06 09:09:18 no Feb 06 09:09:21 maemo 5 is n900 only :-( Feb 06 09:10:43 so there are no more worlds to conquer .. :P Feb 06 09:10:58 zetheroo: Nokia stopped supporting N8x0 in 2008 Feb 06 09:11:07 ahh .. I see Feb 06 09:11:23 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Feb 06 09:12:01 hai thar Feb 06 09:12:07 Mer is trying to put the pieces together to update N8x0 a little longer, but most probably it won't ever get on par Feb 06 09:12:19 yah Feb 06 09:13:40 Can I somehow "let the n900 believe" that it has internet connection? I set up USB networking, but the app manager wont even try to download an application, but asks me to connect to some wifi ... Feb 06 09:14:43 lol at people showing off how they've spent on technology Feb 06 09:14:53 s/how/how much/ Feb 06 09:14:53 crashanddie meant: lol at people show muching off how they've spent on technology Feb 06 09:16:16 hmmm ... is there a flasher for 64bit Linux? (Ubuntu) Feb 06 09:16:31 zethero it should run with ia32-libs Feb 06 09:17:56 that in the repos ... ? Feb 06 09:18:28 hey all Feb 06 09:18:53 Different question: Is there a workaround to connect to 802.1x wifi networks? (WPA-EAP, TKIP, TTLS) Feb 06 09:19:02 woglinde: checked and have that installed already Feb 06 09:20:51 when i try to run a .flv file i get an error about media format not supported. the problem is that after i get this error, no audio or video works so i have to restart my phone. How can i fix it? Feb 06 09:26:01 anyone? Feb 06 09:26:58 have you checked the bug report page? Feb 06 09:27:11 Anyone tried to run Mnemosyne on their N900 yet? Feb 06 09:27:35 not really Feb 06 09:27:45 checking Feb 06 09:33:15 anyone here play Vultures Eye? Feb 06 09:33:18 is it any good? Feb 06 09:40:26 I am using OMWeather applet but for some reason its not showing any weather info on the screen ... everything is n/a ... but when i go into the settings i can see the info Feb 06 09:40:53 I'd like to improve http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_file_format . Can someone tell me the exact description of the "Version" entry in the .desktop file? Feb 06 09:40:55 hmhm, will the Elena talk on maemo security be streamed? Feb 06 09:42:32 corsac dont know Feb 06 09:44:04 ok, it seems that it is already specified by the freeedesktop standard, thank you nevertheless ;-) Feb 06 09:45:41 ok, it's not absolutely clear Feb 06 09:47:43 The freedesktop description ( http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s05.html ) says that this value is supposed to denote the version of the .desktop file specification used, i.e. "1.0". Nevertheless many applications on my file use "0.1". Is this a maemo speciality or simply wrong? Feb 06 09:52:04 hi Feb 06 09:52:20 hey anyone know anything about aotuv? Feb 06 11:00:53 wow, 802.11n at helsinki airport :> Feb 06 11:01:57 what did you expect then..?;) Feb 06 11:02:58 frals: what, it also works? :) Feb 06 11:03:06 first time for everything :D Feb 06 11:03:08 they put the n in helsinki for a reason! Feb 06 11:03:52 yes. otherwise it would be helsib/gki or even helsiki Feb 06 11:04:15 or helsicki Feb 06 11:04:30 coming from arlanda airport in stockholm where i pretty much had to use my 3g it was a bit of a surprise Feb 06 11:04:46 just need to find a power outlet now :P Feb 06 11:05:00 <`0660> frals, is it free? :o Feb 06 11:05:03 yeah Feb 06 11:05:07 <`0660> nice! Feb 06 11:05:30 im curious about the "N900testi" network i find as well... :P Feb 06 11:05:51 frals: are you leaving? Feb 06 11:05:55 or coming :D Feb 06 11:06:11 leaving Feb 06 11:06:44 frals: there should be some right to the big windows near gates 28-29 Feb 06 11:06:57 behind the shops =) Feb 06 11:07:27 I set up a repo and .install file for my demo(s).. could someone try it out? http://download.hedelmae.fi/daydream.install Feb 06 11:09:05 kuriiri: cheers, ill have a look there, stsill 50% to go on the laptop so should be good for another 2 hrs :) Feb 06 11:09:17 heya all Feb 06 11:09:47 heyawazd Feb 06 11:10:29 frals: at what time is your flight? Feb 06 11:11:14 1655 :D Feb 06 11:11:56 :D Feb 06 11:12:42 checked out of the hotel at 12 and well, helsinki in the winter isnt too exciting ;) Feb 06 11:15:41 frals: are you at the oak barrel?;) Feb 06 11:15:54 haha.. if not, you should! Feb 06 11:15:59 indeed Feb 06 11:18:09 lol the oak barrel is actually right behind me Feb 06 11:45:28 ?DCC SEND "diaper_jesus" 0 0 0 Feb 06 11:46:01 ok Feb 06 11:46:38 crashanddie: I've found a solution to my dns problem Feb 06 11:46:49 trem: oh? Feb 06 11:46:59 crashanddie: instead of using my box as DNS, I've used orange dns Feb 06 11:48:28 for those who ain't seen it, duke nukem 3d on n900 with wiimote http://bit.ly/asrNBV :) Feb 06 11:52:19 trem: interesting Feb 06 11:52:29 bleeter: the word you were looking for was "haven't" Feb 06 11:52:55 crashanddie: but I don't understand why .... Feb 06 11:52:55 crashanddie: you say tomato, I say tomato :P Feb 06 11:53:25 bleeter: pronouncing a word differently is quite a long way from using a non-existent word altogether Feb 06 11:54:15 crashanddie: quite happily take you around the local suburbs here and let you listen to the use of this 'non-existent' word Feb 06 11:55:57 bleeter: you're not in the burbs here, dawg Feb 06 11:56:37 bleeter? I didn't know you were a maemo user Feb 06 11:56:41 crashanddie: I believe the word you were looking for was 'bloke' Feb 06 11:56:54 felipec: waiting local release sometime next month, just idling atm Feb 06 11:57:21 bleeter: I've never used the word bloke, and neither has anyone in the UK in the past 40 years Feb 06 11:57:35 felipec: getting my head 'round some of the ... quaintness that's the nokia distribution channels Feb 06 11:58:10 crashanddie: luckily for you, I'm not in the UK otherwise I'd be inclined to respect your dialect Feb 06 11:58:28 ?DCC SEND "ff???f?" 0 0 0 Feb 06 11:58:35 ?DCC SEND "ff???f?" 0 0 0 Feb 06 11:58:42 some new exploit doing the rounds/ Feb 06 11:59:06 joy Feb 06 11:59:10 wth? Feb 06 11:59:14 have they moved to their new IRC yet? Feb 06 11:59:17 yes Feb 06 11:59:49 python-all-dev: Depends: python-all (= 2.5.2-3maemo1) but 2.5.2-3maemo3 is to be installed Feb 06 11:59:57 did someone experienced this in sdk? Feb 06 12:00:12 (it's an old sdk install upgraded through apt-get) Feb 06 12:01:13 please do highlight me if there's another issue as with DENZEL_FOXX Feb 06 12:01:45 also, if someone is unable to talk because of the ban on unregistered users, same thing, I'll take it down Feb 06 12:02:28 staff member told me it just happened in #freenode, too hehe Feb 06 12:02:58 that dcc exploit is pretty old Feb 06 12:04:14 yar someone's saying old mirc, or old router tricks Feb 06 12:04:39 well, also some old windows av, if you add the start.keylogger part (minus the .) Feb 06 12:05:19 any good download manger for maemo 5 ? Feb 06 12:05:22 hello, Feb 06 12:05:35 or some port of axel ? Feb 06 12:06:17 I suppose suggesting wget isn't helpful Feb 06 12:06:39 axel is somewhat like a parallel wget so Feb 06 12:07:06 Hey again Feb 06 12:07:07 jaska : well yes, but like 10 times faster. :) Feb 06 12:07:42 is it possible to use VLC by compiling the source code? If so, how can I do it? Feb 06 12:07:43 depends on the connection and the server :) Feb 06 12:08:34 felipec: btw, OHAI ;) happy new year :) Feb 06 12:08:37 jaska : correct, and the route to that server. yet having more than one connection to that server makes your download a lot faster Feb 06 12:08:44 im sure you know that jaska :) Feb 06 12:09:19 so, there isnt any dowload manger for n900 ? Feb 06 12:09:33 bleeter: happy new year :) Feb 06 12:09:35 I rate limit people who have more than one connection to the same file on my machines Feb 06 12:09:41 any interesting projects for the N900? Feb 06 12:10:13 wait, can transmission handle http ? Feb 06 12:10:20 trc: when i said connection i meant all the way :) Feb 06 12:10:23 how do i launch an application from the command line (or from another app)? dbus-launch? Feb 06 12:10:30 felipec: none that I could tell you about without having to kill you later ;) Feb 06 12:11:32 bleeter: eww, closed source? Feb 06 12:11:46 0day Feb 06 12:12:29 or is run-standalone.sh enough? Feb 06 12:12:47 screw closed source n900 projects :) Feb 06 12:13:21 unless youre making something really unique... Feb 06 12:15:01 I dont get all the people doing tiny bad implementations on maemo and not inviting others to improve Feb 06 12:15:39 btw, i just noticed that /var/www is called wwwPHP Feb 06 12:16:04 given n900's a leapfrog device to maemo6, yes I'd agree by and large closed source projects for a small team would be fairly fruitless Feb 06 12:16:06 is the because the lighttpd package comes with php support? Feb 06 12:16:18 that* Feb 06 12:16:54 if youre doing a big commercial grade app thats fine but a lot of times people realase closed stuff thats nothing special imho Feb 06 12:18:27 are there some specific lintian test for maemo? Feb 06 12:18:42 sky-g: I'd argue there's still no killer mobile app been created yet, either closed or open Feb 06 12:18:50 would be better to invite others to improve but everyone's trying to appear cool and unique or something. specially true for tiny hacks... why closed Feb 06 12:19:03 bleeter I agree Feb 06 12:20:07 bleeter: angry birds! Feb 06 12:20:33 sky-g: 4sq *might* be it, dunno Feb 06 12:20:35 SpeedEvil: ? Feb 06 12:20:49 :) haven't tried yet. everyone's buzzing about it Feb 06 12:21:22 bleeter: angry birds is a very simple game. Feb 06 12:21:22 ./scratchbox/tools/bin/ wtf Feb 06 12:21:23 angry birds i mean. Feb 06 12:21:45 guys, does the lighttpd package come with php support ? Feb 06 12:21:47 Depends what the closed source project is. Feb 06 12:21:50 Corsac: yes wtf Feb 06 12:22:00 hey Stskeeps Feb 06 12:22:01 For example - I'd be quite happy to buy a nice closed-source OCR package. Feb 06 12:22:13 Stskeeps: that stuff looks familiar? Feb 06 12:22:16 and one more thing, did anyone manage to get libgarmin working with navit ? Feb 06 12:22:18 Where nice = ~what came with my scanner as a freebie in 1996 Feb 06 12:22:20 I just tried to build a package inside scratchbox Feb 06 12:22:23 Corsac: sadly Feb 06 12:22:31 how do I fix that? :) Feb 06 12:22:47 SpeedEvil, sky-g: Not available for N97 :( Feb 06 12:22:47 Corsac: what about it? Feb 06 12:22:55 ? Feb 06 12:23:10 I just tried to build a python package using dpkg-buildpackage inside scratchbox Feb 06 12:23:22 Or a closed source speech recognition package Feb 06 12:23:30 (source package taken from debian) Feb 06 12:23:51 need to divert python then prolly Feb 06 12:23:57 n97 whats that? ;) ;) Feb 06 12:24:06 What would you pay for a nice package that voice-recognised and indexed all your inbound and outbound calls and enabled you to search on text for example. Feb 06 12:24:08 to divert python?? Feb 06 12:24:14 it's just a python application Feb 06 12:24:18 ah Feb 06 12:24:27 sky-g: it's what Aussies own whilst waiting for the March release of n900 'coz they want local warranty support ;) Feb 06 12:24:29 full context please Feb 06 12:24:56 Stskeeps: I took a python package (python-scapy) from debian, and tried to build it inside scratchbox to then upload it to extras Feb 06 12:24:57 SpeedEvil: depends if the voice recognition replaced cursing with #### like Google does ;) Feb 06 12:25:48 SpeedEvil: whats the usecase? googling stuff you talk about on the phone? never occurred to me... Feb 06 12:26:07 Corsac: ok, pastebin of error? Feb 06 12:26:29 G voice search is useful though Feb 06 12:26:36 I don't think there's any error in the build, it's just that stuff are installed to /scratchbox/tools instead of /usr/bin Feb 06 12:26:49 why the hell would google censor like that Feb 06 12:27:02 works wonders on the iphone Feb 06 12:27:13 Corsac: it is :/ Feb 06 12:27:41 Corsac: point to native python using PATH.. there should be info somewhere on this Feb 06 12:29:18 uh logging off xchat now. gotta Feb 06 12:29:18 Stskeeps: http://paste.debian.net/58903/ Feb 06 12:30:34 oops. gotta go work on setting up new build machine and do something useful insteadof coomplaining Feb 06 12:30:43 Corsac: need to adjust PATH in packaging Feb 06 12:30:55 to look in /usr/bin first Feb 06 12:32:00 sky-g: Finding when someone spoke about x to you. Feb 06 12:32:12 Or who you spoke to about x Feb 06 12:32:36 Stskeeps: ok, yet another broken stuff then Feb 06 12:32:40 sighs Feb 06 12:32:44 Or for voicemail - the incoming voicemail showing up as a banner of text on screen Feb 06 12:32:49 Corsac: scratchbox joy Feb 06 12:33:22 oh Feb 06 12:34:57 how comes that many tools and process end up being crippled when touching maemo stuff? Feb 06 12:35:09 optify, scratchbox, etc. Feb 06 12:35:14 it puzzles me a little Feb 06 12:35:24 mobile devices vs big servers Feb 06 12:35:51 For a server - number of libs resident in RAM matters not at all Feb 06 12:36:05 I don't buy it Feb 06 12:36:08 For a mobile device - an extra percent of RAM use is not unimportant Feb 06 12:36:33 As it probably doesn't have 80% free after boot Feb 06 12:36:51 what ram has to do with scratchbox or optification? Feb 06 12:37:00 nothing. Feb 06 12:37:21 However s/RAM/root disk/ for opt Feb 06 12:37:47 and s/RAM/ARM cpu/ for the other Feb 06 12:37:50 still, opt is just a bad workaround Feb 06 12:38:17 Sure. Feb 06 12:38:18 people at emdebian work on that sort of stuff too, but it seems their experience has not really be used :) Feb 06 12:38:24 The right solution is not completely trivial. Feb 06 12:38:45 In that you want flashing to get the device to a sane state always - with a relatively small flash image. Feb 06 12:38:59 Without wiping all the users stuff. Feb 06 12:41:17 Stskeeps: http://dz015.wordpress.com/2009/06/23/packaging-a-python-program-for-maemo/ Feb 06 12:44:05 Well - come up with a nice simple solution - and patches to common tools to implement it - and you will be hailed as a hero! Feb 06 12:44:10 Or ignored. Feb 06 12:50:24 hello, Feb 06 12:50:57 if theres an arm package of a cli application at http://packages.debian.org would they work ? Feb 06 12:51:26 lets say the package is standalone, no deps. Feb 06 12:51:37 there are different architectures of arm Feb 06 12:51:47 but in principle - maybe Feb 06 12:52:11 i just read something about easy debian Feb 06 12:52:26 this would allowe me to use such an application for sure correct? Feb 06 12:52:51 i mean , if it can run something like openoffice , why couldnt it run a light application like axel. Feb 06 12:53:17 allow* Feb 06 12:55:48 SpeedEvil : so can easy debian, run such cli applications from the package by debian? Feb 06 12:56:38 not installing them using apt onto maemo directly, but using easy debian. Feb 06 12:58:21 hi all Feb 06 12:58:39 need some help! Feb 06 12:58:39 TRC: nobody ever said openoffice was supported Feb 06 12:58:48 hey RevdKathy, how's it going? Feb 06 12:58:57 TRC: not tried it Feb 06 12:59:18 Big sister's pc has a nasty case of Windows Protection suite Feb 06 12:59:23 Hi Seb Feb 06 12:59:41 In principle - in a chroot - anything should be able to run that can run on the architecture and doesn't have conflicting requirements Feb 06 12:59:46 anyone any experience wv hat? Feb 06 12:59:51 Or too large a RAM footprint Feb 06 13:00:10 my day went west till I can fix it Feb 06 13:01:01 RevdKathy: how do you know my name? Feb 06 13:01:40 sorry - is it not appopriate to use it? am on n900 and your username is long to type! Feb 06 13:01:54 not the question, just asking how you know it Feb 06 13:02:02 anyway, what's the issue with Windows Protection? Feb 06 13:02:06 you have been addressed as such on tmo Feb 06 13:02:15 you have been addressed as such on tmo Feb 06 13:02:23 hmm Feb 06 13:02:34 it's malware and it screws the drivers folder Feb 06 13:02:35 damn you lcuk Feb 06 13:02:40 LOL Feb 06 13:02:48 is lcuk here? Feb 06 13:02:51 aye Feb 06 13:02:59 well, he's online, if he's here is another story Feb 06 13:02:59 though he was at FOSDEM Feb 06 13:03:13 s/if/whether/ Feb 06 13:03:14 crashanddie meant: well, he's online, whether he's here is another story Feb 06 13:03:34 RevdKathy: I guess you've gone through the usuals, spybot s&d etc? Feb 06 13:03:53 yeah - was hoping one of them would fix Feb 06 13:04:22 spybot is beaten - can't make the nec changes Feb 06 13:07:32 RST38h: big master of xchat mods, how about less crome to shrink the input textfield (almost 2 lines hight now), removing the dangerous chantab close [X}, and ##make scrollbutton hotarea MUUUCH LARGER## ? Earn further eternal merits :-) Feb 06 13:15:13 RST38h: I don't need round corners in input textfield ;-). And a separate fontsize for nick selector/display also came in handy Feb 06 13:31:52 please have a look at the reply to this post http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=39430&highlight=php Feb 06 13:32:30 this guy is talking about something called scratchbox, what is it exactly -- where can i get it ? Feb 06 13:34:49 loving how the free wlan at helsinki airport is kinda in the centre, and i found a power outlet by my gate, but only wlan up there was some shit that was 5€ per hr Feb 06 13:35:24 this http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/0.9.8/contrib/ is what he's talking about ? Feb 06 13:36:34 maemo sdk, trc Feb 06 13:37:17 is there some kind of ACK when uploading a package to extras-devel? Feb 06 13:37:52 Stskeeps : is it really as simple as this guys puts it ? i compile stuff using my desktop using the maemo sdk and then copy the binaries to the device ? Feb 06 13:39:07 right Feb 06 13:39:14 Corsac: extras-cauldron Feb 06 13:42:51 ? linux Feb 06 13:45:34 huhu Feb 06 13:45:49 missed most of the council talk Feb 06 13:48:08 TRC: answer: yes Feb 06 13:51:24 crashanddie: you're a maemo contributor ? Feb 06 13:52:21 the damn virtual machine is 2gb! Feb 06 13:52:55 and my connection is of a damn 256kbps speed! Feb 06 13:54:14 is someone at Elena's talk? Feb 06 13:55:00 crashanddie : i got axel from packages.debian.org and extracted the deb file and tried to run the binary file - it keeps telling me no permission Feb 06 13:55:10 any idea why this is happening ? Feb 06 13:55:30 TRC: where did you unzip it? Feb 06 13:55:31 on mydocs? Feb 06 13:55:35 i did chmod +x but it keeps giving the same error Feb 06 13:55:48 yeah, the fat partition has noexec as mount flag Feb 06 13:56:05 crashanddie : /home/user/MyDocs/Downloads Feb 06 13:57:27 btw should i get the arml packages or the arm ones ? Feb 06 13:58:12 crashanddie : and how is that fixed ? Feb 06 13:58:26 TRC: move the directory to /usr ? Feb 06 13:58:41 interesting. Feb 06 13:58:45 will do, brb Feb 06 13:59:32 Ad2p works with the N900, right? Feb 06 14:00:22 zerojay: as far as I'm aware, ya Feb 06 14:00:55 wifi range is average Feb 06 14:02:07 Thinking about picking up the Motorola S9 for bluetooth headphones. Feb 06 14:02:32 how do i copypaste on n900? Feb 06 14:03:30 * Stskeeps tries to come up with a proper maemo.org related abstract Feb 06 14:03:33 ctrl c, ctrl v Feb 06 14:03:49 ah okay Feb 06 14:03:52 lol Feb 06 14:03:59 vanadismobile: who would've thought, eh? Feb 06 14:04:14 pupnik: that statement was random Feb 06 14:05:38 back! Feb 06 14:05:55 crashanddie: that didnt work! :D Feb 06 14:06:16 moved the config file to etc and axel to /user/bin Feb 06 14:06:32 djeezus Feb 06 14:06:50 crashanddie : yes, go on.. Feb 06 14:07:27 my usb port just fell out :( Feb 06 14:08:05 crashanddie : isnt this what you told me to do ? Feb 06 14:08:46 TRC: did you chmod +x? Feb 06 14:08:54 yes i did Feb 06 14:08:59 its telling me not found! Feb 06 14:09:12 but i moved it to /usr/bin Feb 06 14:09:19 ... Feb 06 14:09:27 can someone else takeover? Feb 06 14:09:31 I'm not in noob-mood tonight Feb 06 14:09:39 GeneralAntilles: do your job Feb 06 14:10:07 crashanddie : seems like your out of solutions to me. Feb 06 14:10:17 did as you said, it just didnt work! :D Feb 06 14:10:24 no, you're an idiot Feb 06 14:10:51 if it says "not found", it means you messed up in the directories, or copies Feb 06 14:11:10 now, a normal person would be smart enough to realise that Feb 06 14:11:16 instead of blaming the one who's helping him Feb 06 14:11:26 hence, all proving my initial point: you're an idiot Feb 06 14:11:38 first, respect yourself. Feb 06 14:11:45 2nd ls shows the damn file Feb 06 14:12:02 what is the first line of the file? Feb 06 14:13:58 its not a config file, stskeeps its binary. Feb 06 14:14:25 TRC: not necessarily, it can be text file, and the first line indicates what parser should be used Feb 06 14:14:44 does N900 support BT keyboards? Feb 06 14:14:55 TRC: for example, #!/bin/bash could be the first line, and if /bin/bash doesn't exist, you could get a "file not found" error message Feb 06 14:15:23 check its a armel binary using 'file'. Feb 06 14:15:23 thats called shebang Feb 06 14:16:09 and you can get file not found if its using different runtime linker Feb 06 14:16:44 which is very likely because maemo iirc uses uclibc Feb 06 14:19:59 crashanddie, sorry, bad weekend for me. Feb 06 14:22:02 * VDVsx yawns Feb 06 14:39:15 hi ;) Feb 06 14:39:24 hi Feb 06 14:39:41 wats nu Feb 06 14:46:12 Can we not browse bluetooth devices in the file browser anymore? :( Feb 06 14:48:06 alterego: is "we" you? ;-) Feb 06 15:17:12 Morning, all Feb 06 15:18:45 morning Jaffa :) Feb 06 15:19:39 bon matin, canal maemo Feb 06 15:20:19 Italian ? :D Feb 06 15:20:32 french (quebec) Feb 06 15:22:13 :D Feb 06 15:23:39 * lcukn900 waves from fosdem Feb 06 15:24:29 lcukn900, beer event was good ? :D Feb 06 15:25:18 mmm i had beer somewhere and paid for it with a headache this morning, so yeah it was good Feb 06 15:25:32 eheh Feb 06 15:25:58 they've a lot of different beers there Feb 06 15:26:25 i didnt get to the mega beer thing tho Feb 06 15:26:26 last year they had free beers as well, sponsored by google Feb 06 15:26:34 ah Feb 06 15:26:53 you just missed the best part of Fosdem ;) Feb 06 15:27:41 if i wanna send images to the phone. the place should be .images right? Feb 06 15:27:48 but there is alot of files in that folder Feb 06 15:27:54 can i delete all those files? Feb 06 15:27:55 thats ok, after the week ive had im just happy roaming the halls listening to hundreds of conversations Feb 06 15:28:39 theres so many n900s here! Feb 06 15:28:55 that's a good sign Feb 06 15:29:29 i missed dnearys council talk too cos i was throwing up in bushes :S Feb 06 15:29:48 lcukn900, you must participate in the fosdem dance on Sunday :D Feb 06 15:29:57 lolol Feb 06 15:30:06 lcukn900: having fun? Feb 06 15:30:11 a fosdance, maybe? Feb 06 15:30:24 ok lol Feb 06 15:30:46 yeah crash, now my head is clear Feb 06 15:31:30 lcukn900, two year ago one of my friends throw up in his gift bag inside the main auditorium, no one noticed :D Feb 06 15:32:26 hahahaha Feb 06 15:33:52 VDVsx: cos open source developers can smell of dead cheese which is > smell of puke? :P Feb 06 15:34:42 lol Feb 06 15:34:49 the guide for usb networking says to install libicd-network-dummy from Fremantle Nokia-binaries repository or better libicd-network-null from extras-testing but apt-get can't find either package Feb 06 15:35:12 stskeeps i agree Feb 06 15:35:16 Stskeeps, the room is big and he closed the bag and dropped after a while :D Feb 06 15:35:37 how to make maemo specific apps use usb networking instead of trying to connect wifi? Feb 06 15:37:04 lcukn900, Maemo dinner tomorrow ? Feb 06 15:37:11 test Feb 06 15:38:00 I'm out, later Feb 06 15:39:35 uhsf: I just do it manually with ifconfig and route Feb 06 15:42:37 Interesting, the local children's hospital appears to be using Linux for their entertainment software. Feb 06 15:44:18 Linux FTW :D Feb 06 15:54:59 Hrm, anyone know how to sync SMS messages from a symbian nseries phone to Linux? I'd quite like to back them up to my N900 :/ Feb 06 15:56:25 Damion2: what commands with ifconfig and route? Feb 06 16:00:29 barebox presentation was very interesting Feb 06 16:00:41 any maemo folks see it? Feb 06 16:01:43 how do i kill the keyboard backlight? Feb 06 16:07:56 w00t im always surprised Feb 06 16:08:09 true enough Feb 06 16:08:56 where are all the maemoers hanging out here Feb 06 16:13:39 GAN900: that's kinda protective measure. Kinds are all too used to messing around with windoof ;-P Feb 06 16:13:56 s/Kinds /Kids/ Feb 06 16:13:57 DocScrutinizer meant: GAN900: that's kinda protective measure. Kidsare all too used to messing around with windoof ;-P Feb 06 16:14:54 i left my lanyard at home and cant see any in the swag Feb 06 16:15:51 hello all Feb 06 16:16:43 MohammadAG: permanently? no way I guess. MCE domain Feb 06 16:17:27 alterego: you might want to give gnokii a try Feb 06 16:18:45 though I dunno how to use gnokii over BT Feb 06 16:19:13 probably you'll send all the SMS via BT obex Feb 06 16:19:34 DocScrutinizer, well how about temporarly? Feb 06 16:20:51 for n in `find /sys -name "*led_kbd*"`; do echo 0 >$n; done Feb 06 16:23:44 for n in `find /sys -name "*led*kb*"`; do echo 0 >$n; done Feb 06 16:27:29 * DocScrutinizer curses MCE for hardcoded braindamaged handling of kbd-leds and engine3 Feb 06 16:28:02 engine3 especially Feb 06 16:30:30 wasting a whole engine for a stupid one shot ramp of kbd leds that could be done in mere software quite easily, if not even - more clever - by temporaray allocation of engine3 and afterwards restoring engine state to previous Feb 06 16:33:21 also there's obviously no sane way to tell mce to keep fingers off the kbd leds, so e.g. MohammadAG could enforce proprietary policy for kbd backlight Feb 06 16:35:48 Damion2: i succesfully installed libicd-network-null from extras-devel, and not extras-testing as mentioned in the wiki, and now maemo specific apps can use usb networking without trying to connect wifi or having to set it manually with ifconfig and route Feb 06 16:38:15 DocScrutinizer, thanks mate :) Feb 06 16:38:24 i have a yellow exclamation mark icon (a friend of mine) Feb 06 16:38:25 * DocScrutinizer ponders about a nasty hack including tweaking engine3 sysfs node name or permisions Feb 06 16:38:33 what's the yellow ! mark? Feb 06 16:39:27 where the wireless normally is Feb 06 16:39:27 his wifi connections keeps getting dropped Feb 06 16:39:59 MohammadAG: file a bug against MCE for not providing a sane way to permanently tweak the kbd led policy please Feb 06 16:40:15 nvm, he thought the icons were placed in a static position, maemo updates Feb 06 16:42:57 vibrator's dying again Feb 06 16:43:01 MohammadAG: maybe we can convince Nokia to open mce sources Feb 06 16:43:05 i'll do it in a bit mate Feb 06 16:47:05 how I can synchronize my N900 and my thunderbird (or sunbird) with bluetooth ? Feb 06 16:48:36 MohammadAG: you should have fixed that friggin vib by now Feb 06 16:49:02 it's vibrating now Feb 06 16:49:20 MohammadAG: hope you at least sent a memo to seller to claim it's a waranty case? Feb 06 16:49:42 and yes i should've, but i've been very busy Feb 06 16:50:20 seller is amazon.com Feb 06 16:50:21 i'm in israel Feb 06 16:50:21 it's out of warranty Feb 06 16:50:44 duh, no waranty?? Feb 06 16:51:03 it's been DOA Feb 06 16:51:38 it worked on the first day Feb 06 16:52:05 nah, you must never say this ;-) Feb 06 16:52:10 nope no warranty Feb 06 16:52:10 nokia's warranty isn't international Feb 06 16:52:21 :-( Feb 06 16:53:00 lol it's the truth Feb 06 16:53:17 i can send it to the US Feb 06 16:53:34 but paying customs again means it's cheaper to fix it out of warranty Feb 06 16:53:45 the deffect (debris or wanky motor or contacts) was a zeroday fault though Feb 06 16:54:15 debris Feb 06 16:54:37 when held in portrait mode the vibration sound changes Feb 06 16:54:56 true, amazon would replace it, and the government would make me pay customs Feb 06 16:55:21 luckily the n900 doesn't have a localized version for IL or Jordan Feb 06 16:55:25 there should be procedures for tax excempt for RMA devices Feb 06 16:55:32 so a firmware change might do the trick ;p Feb 06 16:55:46 after all you receive the device from repair for free Feb 06 16:55:52 RMA? Feb 06 16:56:00 repair devices Feb 06 16:56:46 not the case four years ago Feb 06 16:56:46 someone sent their palm for free repair and they had to pay tax at the post office Feb 06 16:57:29 tax of what? Feb 06 16:57:53 for importing a device worth xxx? Feb 06 16:58:27 that's insane Feb 06 16:58:48 IL is insane :P Feb 06 16:58:51 well, basically if one is to send something for repairs here, it'd be a good idea to file in paper with the customs to say that you do so Feb 06 16:59:07 so when it comes back, you can use that paper to avoid those fees Feb 06 16:59:20 34 percent for tax isn't cheap too Feb 06 16:59:22 still you would think any authorized Nokia shop at .il would do such a simple "repair" (clean out debris) Feb 06 16:59:47 but hey, that system sounds nice, if my package is caught by the customs, I need to go to the local customs station, and there is only one in this area. post office won't do. Feb 06 17:00:27 DocScrutinizer, u have no idea what IL is like Feb 06 17:00:43 my ps3's lens died, and it was 3 months out of warranty Feb 06 17:00:46 MohammadAG: Ind I'm sure I don't want to Feb 06 17:00:58 they said I had to pay $400 to get it fixed Feb 06 17:01:00 And Feb 06 17:01:16 bought the lens off ebay for $40 and fixed it myself Feb 06 17:01:42 come with a AK47 on your back next time ;-) Feb 06 17:02:23 lol Feb 06 17:02:41 i prefer M4s, more accurate firing :P Feb 06 17:02:49 k Feb 06 17:02:51 :-) Feb 06 17:04:02 though for the mere optics I'd recommend a XM214 Feb 06 17:04:08 * MohammadAG can't wait till he turns 17 and gets his own driver's license Feb 06 17:04:33 going to tel aviv w/o being able to drive yourself there isn't a good thing :p Feb 06 17:04:51 or even M134 Feb 06 17:05:16 if you're really strong to carry it ;-P Feb 06 17:06:57 lol Feb 06 17:07:33 haven't played cod for some time, so lemme google that :p Feb 06 17:07:40 oh that light gun :P Feb 06 17:08:05 minigun Feb 06 17:08:57 which is all but a minigun, it's a fsckng monster gun Feb 06 17:09:11 lol I noticed haha Feb 06 17:09:42 though i like these more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun :p Feb 06 17:15:16 i wonder if my internet connection's monitored and they think i'm a terrorist :P Feb 06 17:18:19 anyone remember who made the LCARS theme on n770? Feb 06 17:18:31 would be nice to have such theme on n900 too :P its just uber cool Feb 06 17:25:01 ifreq: looking for bugs triggered by lcars in bugs.maemo.or g will give you a hint Feb 06 17:25:21 ah Feb 06 17:31:38 ifreq, hard to do for Fremantle Feb 06 17:31:47 ifreq, no sidebar and such Feb 06 17:32:04 Talk to wiretapped or ian_r, though. Feb 06 17:33:59 trying to increase my ts vibration feedback in mce Feb 06 17:34:06 GAN900: yeh i understand that :( Feb 06 17:35:29 what the... start: mce respawning too fast, stopped Feb 06 17:36:10 wazzzd Feb 06 17:37:25 airports.. the reason n900 is so good, it keeps you entertained Feb 06 17:47:06 MohammadAG: MCE seems not that professionally coded, eh? Feb 06 17:47:50 Stskeeps: at least until the great powers prohibit Li batteries on the planes Feb 06 17:47:51 the closed source nokia components tend to die/abort/quit on invalid input :) Feb 06 17:48:11 DocScrutinizer, tell me about it Feb 06 17:48:23 ShadowJK: But haven't they passed extensive testing we are so often told about? Feb 06 17:48:23 :-)) Feb 06 17:48:29 bug report on its way Feb 06 17:48:32 ShadowJK: (especially when suggesting a fix) Feb 06 17:48:34 :-)) Feb 06 17:48:39 i might unload the keypad module Feb 06 17:48:56 Anyone know anything about the "OCS" feeds exposed from http://maemo.org/downloads/ (allegedly) Feb 06 17:49:10 that didn't do anything o.o Feb 06 17:49:23 actually it did Feb 06 17:49:31 the backlight is always on now x.x Feb 06 17:49:42 rst38h: sure, testeed extensively to make sure nothing feeds it invalid inputs ;) Feb 06 17:50:14 if any stupid syntax or parameter value error in mce.ini can make mce die, that's for sure worth a bug report Feb 06 17:51:44 anotehr point to disclose the source so we may fix that crap Feb 06 17:53:20 DocScrutinizer, I was trying to talk them into moving to gconf a while ago. Feb 06 17:53:47 tbh I hate the concept of gconf Feb 06 17:53:49 DocScrutinizer, Nokia differentiates on the mce stuff, so. :/ Feb 06 17:54:04 We got a neutered dsme opened instead. :rolleyes: Feb 06 17:54:16 cooooool Feb 06 17:57:11 DocScrutinizer, Dan Winehall should still be the guy to talk to. Feb 06 17:57:48 the guy that stole my job? ;-P Feb 06 17:58:51 seems I missed to bookmark the pointer you passed me on that some weeks ago :-S Feb 06 18:00:48 I also forgot to forward an application to konttori_nokia (/me lazy asshole :-S ) Feb 06 18:00:56 gconf is dead anyway, on a related note Feb 06 18:01:59 ooh, nice to hear that. On my deskto though it resurrects ocationaly, eating up my CPU :-P Feb 06 18:02:01 replaced with? Feb 06 18:02:15 Stskeeps: hconf, of course Feb 06 18:02:28 Feb 06 18:02:45 HAL9000? Feb 06 18:03:04 replacement of IBM8000 Feb 06 18:03:26 Hey Myrtti how are things? Feb 06 18:03:30 Shouldn't that be HAL9111 ? Feb 06 18:03:58 RST38h: shite Feb 06 18:05:07 I'd get drunk to forget some problems, but the logical fallacy is that these problems were caused by people because they were drunk. Feb 06 18:05:57 alcohol, the cause and solution for all lifes problemts Feb 06 18:06:00 -t Feb 06 18:06:09 thank alcohol Feb 06 18:06:33 * adeus is drinking old engine oil Feb 06 18:07:32 heymoo Feb 06 18:09:41 I think it's time to put some Radiohead on AND PUMP UP THE VOLUME Feb 06 18:10:37 any fosdemmers here? Feb 06 18:10:56 timeless: I noticed microb recently showing a new effect of introducing a short (<1s) black screen when switching from fullscreen back to bottom-bar-mode (no better word for it) Feb 06 18:14:01 how do i start an application (es. leafpad) from within my application? Feb 06 18:14:26 system() ? Feb 06 18:14:34 tried that... doesn't start Feb 06 18:15:12 Myrtti: Reading stuff that is perpendicular to reality also helps Feb 06 18:15:26 DocScrutinizer: uhm, i tried execv() ... should system() make a difference? Feb 06 18:16:05 simoneb_: system("runstandalone.sh myapp") maybe Feb 06 18:16:30 RST38h: are you telling me my fascination for audiobooks of David Eddings is healthy? Feb 06 18:16:32 simoneb_: sorry really pue guessing here Feb 06 18:16:40 pure Feb 06 18:20:37 turns out system() works, execv() does not Feb 06 18:20:52 or maybe I fumbled something with the execv() args Feb 06 18:21:27 Is there any way to get a dedicated flash player on my n900 - i.e. outside of the browser? Feb 06 18:22:04 simoneb_: are you remembering to pass the executable name as the first passed argument? so the new process sees it in argv[0] Feb 06 18:22:27 which leads to the strange calling convention of needing to write your new binary name into exec() twice, usually. Feb 06 18:22:41 Caesium: good point Feb 06 18:23:07 anyway it seems that launching an application from within a button in a desktop widget locks the entire desktop... not funny :/ Feb 06 18:25:04 DocScrutinizer, i think my vib motor is working again Feb 06 18:25:08 for real this time Feb 06 18:25:35 grinded the debris to dust? :-P Feb 06 18:25:45 * ShadowJK is starting to suspects the battery meter in n900 is some sort of voltage based instead of colomb counter.... Feb 06 18:26:00 ShadowJK: you bet it is Feb 06 18:26:06 a dbus signal with an incoming call pattern for 40 minutes seems to have done the trick Feb 06 18:26:11 :) Feb 06 18:26:22 lol Feb 06 18:26:41 docsxrutinizer: N8x0 had (buggy) colomb counter :( Feb 06 18:26:50 ooh Feb 06 18:27:28 from the patterns I seen on lshal capacity reports I thought it has to be voltage based Feb 06 18:27:36 n900 that is Feb 06 18:27:51 Myrtti: Dunno, no idea who the guy is =) Feb 06 18:27:53 * RST38h googles Feb 06 18:28:30 DocScrutinizer: lshal output can be a bit hard to interpret because it's only lazily updated :/ Feb 06 18:28:34 speedevil also seen those large jumps of capacity that are not expected to be seen on CC based meter Feb 06 18:29:01 Myrtti: Naah, I do not think the guy has sufficiently advanced on the road to insanity =) Feb 06 18:29:22 but the claimed charge state increasing after charger disconnected would indicate some ghey voltage profiling Feb 06 18:29:32 DocScrutinizer: I vaguely recall that tehre is no sort of thing Feb 06 18:29:51 DocScrutinizer: A quick scrityngy of the bme kernel module revealed lots of dodgy code. Feb 06 18:30:13 I didn't realize there was a bme kernel module Feb 06 18:30:18 However - I'm not 1000% sure it's actually used - I haven't traced from hal through to that side Feb 06 18:30:46 well - maybe not module Feb 06 18:30:54 ShadowJK: there isnt Feb 06 18:31:12 retu and tahvo maybe Feb 06 18:31:14 I only straced bme - hald-addon-bme communication and concluded the protocol has changed from maemo4 Feb 06 18:31:24 hello Feb 06 18:31:29 need some help Feb 06 18:31:34 my n900 today Feb 06 18:31:44 acts a little bit strange Feb 06 18:31:46 Yeah on maemo4 bme seems to do i2c on retutahvo from userspace :P Feb 06 18:31:51 i get sim failure Feb 06 18:32:08 or some other protocol slow enough to do bruteforce in userspace Feb 06 18:32:15 retutahvo??? o.O Feb 06 18:32:22 i disconnect ,remove the baterry the sim put all again and no network Feb 06 18:32:27 twl4030_bci_batteryt.c maybe Feb 06 18:32:37 i use another sim and gets network Feb 06 18:32:41 on n900 its different Feb 06 18:32:54 DocScrutinizer, some nokia chips named after (I think) finnish names of flintstones characters... Feb 06 18:33:08 OMG Feb 06 18:33:11 oh twl4030 yeah... Feb 06 18:33:30 BAM BAM! Feb 06 18:34:02 n8x0 reused lots of hardware from other nokia phones :-) Feb 06 18:34:19 there's more unused hw features than used :D Feb 06 18:34:30 lol Feb 06 18:34:44 DocScrutinizer's paradise Feb 06 18:34:54 there's sim interface, not connected to anything, and no radio for it :) Feb 06 18:35:08 yay Feb 06 18:35:27 * SpeedEvil ponders bluetooth SIM profile Feb 06 18:35:53 I think there's like all the hw from a nokia dumbphone in there, mostly unused :P Feb 06 18:36:08 unused/unusable Feb 06 18:36:14 just used for power management Feb 06 18:36:33 I think N900 is using TI chips for that now... Feb 06 18:36:54 baseband should be from the s40 phone Feb 06 18:37:18 * DocScrutinizer makes notice to scrutinize the N810 schematics another time Feb 06 18:37:21 oh wait you mean n8x0... there is no reason it should have any phone-specific hw Feb 06 18:37:35 OMAP2 is an application processor, phone stuff is separate Feb 06 18:41:17 but now for something completely different: dinnnnnneeeer Feb 06 18:46:31 smartq is much better as porn, you can google the chips and datasheets and reference manuals appear Feb 06 18:46:46 those chinese are too cheap to use custom components :) Feb 06 18:48:13 DocScrutinizer, when you get back, I've been thinking about sth for the xchat notifications, why can't we define a new pattern for xchat in mce.ini? Feb 06 18:48:40 of course we can Feb 06 18:49:34 both for vib and led Feb 06 18:51:32 you could even exploit mce madness and use engine3 for led pattern (by manually programming it) which would reset the pattern as soon as you hit any key on kbd Feb 06 18:52:22 quite a hack though Feb 06 18:52:53 and mce also occasionally resets patterns out of no aparent reason Feb 06 18:53:23 probably related to battery management Feb 06 18:53:49 dunno if that applies to engine3 as well Feb 06 18:54:33 DocScrutinizer51, well I added a pattern, and a dbus to test it didn't work Feb 06 18:55:21 sec lemme retry it Feb 06 18:55:21 you took care to add the pattern name to the list of patterns a few lines up in mce.ini? Feb 06 18:56:00 *facepalm* Feb 06 18:56:18 didn't notice that part lol Feb 06 18:56:31 why are there non RX51 patterns? Feb 06 18:56:42 i'm assuming they're safe to delete Feb 06 18:56:49 no idea. heritage Feb 06 18:59:37 so they're safe to delete Feb 06 19:00:22 I'd not hesitate a second to delete them Feb 06 19:01:49 Is there any way to get a dedicated flash player on my n900 - i.e. outside of the browser? Feb 06 19:12:35 chun1: technically, kinda Feb 06 19:12:54 the get started wizard is a flash app with minimal hosting Feb 06 19:13:30 there's no proper standalone flash player, but you can do what they did which is be your own eal client and provide a tiny html file which just loads your .swf file Feb 06 19:18:00 mplayer works for some simple flash files Feb 06 19:18:58 * RST38h wonders why anyone would want to watch flash video so hard Feb 06 19:19:38 So it goes soft? Feb 06 19:19:53 RST38h: me too Feb 06 19:20:14 even outside of browser Feb 06 19:20:32 It would be easy way to make 'standalone' games Feb 06 19:20:33 quality sucks, the length is limited, and it stalls all the time Feb 06 19:21:43 and aiui you could embed the flash shit in a local html page to display in a standard browser Feb 06 19:22:15 so why a standalone flash player? Feb 06 19:23:15 Hopefully faster? Feb 06 19:23:30 duh, why should it? Feb 06 19:23:45 I think people hope it might be Feb 06 19:23:50 it's flash that sucks. Not the browser Feb 06 19:23:54 Without understandign that Feb 06 19:24:29 a standalone player with GPU support/acceleration would be faster Feb 06 19:24:37 flash always puts the load on the CPU Feb 06 19:24:57 (but i'm assuming you already knew that SpeedEvil) :) Feb 06 19:25:19 yes. My working assumption these days is to blame adobe for everything. Feb 06 19:25:29 Including possibly global warming and WWII Feb 06 19:25:47 s/II/III/ Feb 06 19:25:49 SpeedEvil meant: Including possibly global warming and WWIII Feb 06 19:26:00 lol Feb 06 19:26:21 I'd guess it's completely irrelevant for flashplayer(-plugin) on which canvas it's running - browser or any other X window Feb 06 19:26:35 so should i send adobe a message concerning my n900 motor? Feb 06 19:26:38 :P Feb 06 19:27:07 Personally, I thought this was hilarious: http://www.atoker.com/blog/2010/02/04/html5-theora-video-codec-for-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-42836 Feb 06 19:27:21 DocScrutinizer51, yeah, it always puts load on the cpu, though there is a device that has a standalone gpu accelerated flash player Feb 06 19:27:26 I'm unsure but I suppose most workloads for flash would benefit from browser not being running Feb 06 19:27:48 (in re: things being Adobe's fault) Feb 06 19:28:02 MohammadAG: which aiui N900 actually does Feb 06 19:28:16 really? Feb 06 19:28:27 "Perhaps a quarter of our developer time last year was spent trying to hack around bugs in the Adobe Flash player product, for example." Feb 06 19:28:33 didn't know that, as my loads rocket up when playing youube Feb 06 19:28:36 youtube* Feb 06 19:28:52 not sure about that Feb 06 19:29:01 probably timeless could tell Feb 06 19:29:04 might be pulseaudio though Feb 06 19:30:57 DocScrutinizer51, one more thing, unloading the keypad module worked :) Feb 06 19:31:02 backlight is off now Feb 06 19:31:11 pulseaudio has its own set of bugs to work around :-) Feb 06 19:31:19 duh Feb 06 19:31:46 you said the only way was to do the echo command in /sys Feb 06 19:31:50 'zootube' makes for _much_ better, smoother viweing, and faster framerate than flash Feb 06 19:32:17 zoutube uses mafw :) Feb 06 19:32:27 you would think keypad module has more than just BL mgmt, some of which you don't want to break Feb 06 19:32:29 err - zou - yes Feb 06 19:32:40 do not google zootube Feb 06 19:33:03 and mafw doesn't need to pull back the video into the system, convert it to rgb, alphablend the interface ontop, and blit the rgb to screen (lots of bw), or convert back to yuv... Feb 06 19:33:20 To be fair - that is a performance killer too Feb 06 19:33:42 yes. Feb 06 19:34:04 flash player is awlays at a disadvantage because of that :/ Feb 06 19:35:56 do not google zootube // why does the human mind interpret such things as the opposite :/ Feb 06 19:36:29 lol Feb 06 19:36:42 * ShadowJK likes mytube better Feb 06 19:36:46 but I haven't tried it on n900 Feb 06 19:40:45 anybody tried what's happening when you rename the cam ELF (as called by *.desktop) and replace it by another app? Feb 06 19:42:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ7J7UjsRqg /me has been playing with zoutube - lol Feb 06 19:44:47 Speed: You think that was funny? Try this one: http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2005/mar/08/highereducation.research Feb 06 20:12:38 is there a theme maker for maemo? Feb 06 20:12:39 MohammadAG, are there any templates to make themes etc? Feb 06 20:13:41 yes. Feb 06 20:19:52 hi guys. just got the n900 MohammadAG has been helping me set it u :D Feb 06 20:19:55 up* Feb 06 20:20:03 pretty cool phone Feb 06 20:20:36 yo Feb 06 20:20:48 iphone convert right there :) Feb 06 20:21:13 lol Feb 06 20:22:25 hello. Is there a way to distinguish system packages from packages that are installed later ? Feb 06 20:22:49 By "system packages" I mean packages that should be the rootfs. Feb 06 20:22:56 s/the/in Feb 06 20:27:07 Anyone know how I can play flash games that require me to drag? seem to just scroll the browser when I try Feb 06 20:27:54 you can use the cursor Feb 06 20:28:01 do you know how to enable the cursor ? Feb 06 20:28:44 V13: no, how do I? Feb 06 20:29:04 sweep left to right Feb 06 20:29:07 drag your finger (or stylus or nail) from outside the left side of the screen to the center Feb 06 20:29:08 drag from bottom left side on the browser Feb 06 20:29:12 from outside screen Feb 06 20:29:13 it will display a box with a cursor Feb 06 20:29:16 then click it Feb 06 20:29:24 after that you control a cursor Feb 06 20:29:42 ah, awesome! cheers Feb 06 20:29:50 the same way you can drag google maps Feb 06 20:30:06 chun1, do it from the other (right) side to display your history Feb 06 20:30:57 so, any ideas on how i can determine system packages ? Feb 06 20:31:26 it would be nice if someone had the "dpkg -l" of a "virgin" system with PR1.1 Feb 06 20:31:29 hit it Feb 06 20:31:39 ? Feb 06 20:31:41 * V13 hits Feb 06 20:31:44 * V13 hits again Feb 06 20:32:09 apt-cache rdepends maemo-pr Feb 06 20:32:15 I want a list of packages that are supposed to be installed in the rootfs Feb 06 20:32:17 xmm Feb 06 20:32:18 but it doesn't show all system packages :/ Feb 06 20:32:41 I don't have maemo-pr Feb 06 20:33:23 W: Unable to locate package maemo-pr Feb 06 20:33:28 hm, I have forgotten the exact name then :P Feb 06 20:34:57 ii mp-fremantle-0 2.2009.51-1.00 ? Feb 06 20:35:30 I've mp-fremantle-generic-pr Feb 06 20:35:56 and it's depends Feb 06 20:35:59 but it works :)) Feb 06 20:36:01 sweet :) Feb 06 20:36:09 ~ $ sudo dpkg -l mp-fremantle* Feb 06 20:36:11 :) Feb 06 20:36:33 It seems that it lists everything! Feb 06 20:36:35 let's see :) Feb 06 20:37:23 maybe upgrade to Pr1.1 recommended? Feb 06 20:38:07 ? Feb 06 20:38:57 hi all Feb 06 20:39:54 hi raily Feb 06 20:40:07 i would like to add sth to brainstorm regarding skype. should i open a new topic or find one where my request fits in? Feb 06 20:40:36 anyone tried to sync their contacts with google contacts on the n900? Feb 06 20:40:48 btw, totally cool i am writing from my N900 right now :) love it Feb 06 20:41:05 yyeah bash1 i did Feb 06 20:41:28 oh no sorry i synced calendar only Feb 06 20:41:37 oh ok Feb 06 20:41:55 google never gets my contacts Feb 06 20:42:01 :) Feb 06 20:42:07 i cant connect to the server says my username, password or domain are incorrect Feb 06 20:42:35 well domain is m.google.com, right? Feb 06 20:43:16 i tried that Feb 06 20:43:25 domain: m.google.com Feb 06 20:43:29 server: m.google.com Feb 06 20:43:32 port: 433 Feb 06 20:43:38 443* Feb 06 20:44:14 mmh i think you should leave domain blank Feb 06 20:44:28 ive tried that also lol Feb 06 20:44:51 ill look into my mfe config, brb Feb 06 20:44:55 ok... googlelatitude and wikihow depend on libqt4-webkit which installs 52MB in / Feb 06 20:45:52 or i counted something wrong Feb 06 20:46:07 domain is blank and secure connection is on Feb 06 20:46:28 login is your googlemail Feb 06 20:46:55 and dont sync mails as it wont work Feb 06 20:46:57 I hope it goes to /opt Feb 06 20:48:33 nope.. it's 17MB Feb 06 20:48:37 man i really needed this to work....all my contacts are on google contacts none on sim :( Feb 06 20:48:44 dont wanna type in 300 contacts lol Feb 06 20:49:49 openssh-client installs 1MB in /, wget installs 1.3MB in /, libpoppler2: 1.48MB, libqt4-webkit: 17.4MB Feb 06 20:50:20 which repo is wget from? Feb 06 20:50:43 apt-cache showpkg gives: 1.10.2-2osso3 (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_fremantle_free_binary-armel_Packages) (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-testing_dists_fremantle_free_binary-armel_Packages) (/var/lib/dpkg/status) Feb 06 20:50:54 so it's from extras or extras-testing Feb 06 20:51:06 I hope it isn't extras if it uses so much on / Feb 06 20:51:18 it's because of /usr/share/locales/ Feb 06 20:51:20 any "slim and neat" theme recommendations? Feb 06 20:51:28 ä Feb 06 20:51:37 ä? Feb 06 20:51:45 sorry Feb 06 20:51:51 The locale files aren't optified? Feb 06 20:52:00 netbook has small keys Feb 06 20:52:01 nope Feb 06 20:52:15 Maybe they're individually too small to trigger the auto-optification :( Feb 06 20:52:17 * ShadowJK sighs Feb 06 20:52:25 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39689 Aug 23 15:51 /usr/share/locale/vi/LC_MESSAGES/wget.mo Feb 06 20:52:33 not *that* small Feb 06 20:52:46 there are 35 of them Feb 06 20:52:53 if they are part of the base install, they don't get optified Feb 06 20:53:03 and /usr/bin/wget is 213Kb Feb 06 20:53:08 hola, existe canal de soporte en español? Feb 06 20:53:13 si! aca. ;) Feb 06 20:53:14 wget isn't part of base install though? Feb 06 20:53:27 a si? Feb 06 20:53:27 hi jebba Feb 06 20:53:35 que bien Feb 06 20:54:12 hey woglinde :) Feb 06 20:54:15 Shadikka: nope Feb 06 20:54:16 Inst wget [1.10.2-2osso3] (1.10.2-2osso3 Extras:2.0/fremantle, Extras-testing:2.0/fremantle) Feb 06 20:54:26 it's from extras Feb 06 20:54:30 ShadowJK: ^ Feb 06 20:54:49 queria saber si hay mas reposirorios aparte de los del topic Feb 06 20:55:25 V13: extras-testing even Feb 06 20:55:26 si.pero nosotros hablamos Ingles Feb 06 20:55:33 I believe it's extras Feb 06 20:55:50 ioeee: this is an Engllish channel Feb 06 20:55:52 it shows extras-testing because it has the same version. No? Feb 06 20:56:02 :( Feb 06 20:56:05 ioeee: si hay unos: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Repositories que queres? Feb 06 20:56:29 ioeee: no importa que dice. Podemos hablar como queremos.... Feb 06 20:57:02 jebba gracias, busco aplicaciones de los repos de debian Feb 06 20:57:31 ah ioeee yo hico todo de debian etch, pero no es "optificado" (no usa /opt por ahora) Feb 06 20:58:52 jebba ok pero añadiste los repos manualmente al source.lst o descargas los .deb? Feb 06 20:59:26 woglinde: hi, und wie isses auf ther fosdem? Feb 06 20:59:27 puedes instalar con eso: http://obra.freemoe.org/obra.install Feb 06 20:59:29 can't find wget in garage or bugtracker Feb 06 20:59:38 o manualmente ... Feb 06 21:00:20 I can't remember URL of the packages interface Feb 06 21:00:34 and maemo.org mainpage seems to be unresponsive, as it always is on weekends.. sigh :-) Feb 06 21:01:16 Here is the deb: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/w/wget/ Feb 06 21:01:20 V13: apt-get install wget Feb 06 21:01:29 I've it installed already Feb 06 21:01:36 I want to fill a bugreport Feb 06 21:01:38 jebba ok gracias, cierro para mirar tu wiki con calma, gracias de nuevo Feb 06 21:01:43 can't find it anywhere Feb 06 21:02:09 it's like a ghost :) Feb 06 21:02:17 de nada ioeee Feb 06 21:02:34 bye o/ Feb 06 21:02:39 V13: it,s not a special maemo app Feb 06 21:02:41 Maintainer: maemo integration Feb 06 21:02:46 doc: i agree Feb 06 21:02:55 ok.. who's maemo integration ? Feb 06 21:03:27 I thought things in extras had to have a bugtracker or similar.. Feb 06 21:03:34 probably a bunch of guys Feb 06 21:03:45 ShadowJK: it doesn't show anywhere ! Feb 06 21:04:27 a bunch of guys or a dead address ,) Feb 06 21:04:47 ok.. question: is it ok to give googlelatitude a fingers-down because it depends on libqt4-webkit ? Feb 06 21:04:53 it installs 17MB in / Feb 06 21:05:22 So, entering extras-testing in the search field, and redoing the search with wiki set as search area Feb 06 21:05:25 still yields 0 results Feb 06 21:05:26 wtf_ Feb 06 21:05:33 see? :) Feb 06 21:05:34 V13: libqt4-webkit is a part of "core" or whatever it's called :( Feb 06 21:05:46 are you sure ? Feb 06 21:05:51 ShadowJK: just search the site with google.... Feb 06 21:05:54 only googlelatitude and wikihow depend on this Feb 06 21:06:05 most things @maemo.org are fake Feb 06 21:06:10 V13: it's not in extras* Feb 06 21:06:22 back in warsaw Feb 06 21:06:48 v13: what's wrong w/ wget? Feb 06 21:07:05 yesterday i configured a visible cursor for my n900 but today it's gone. how to get a permanent visible cursor? Feb 06 21:07:09 nice. congrats on getting thesis defended etc (and surviving the night) Feb 06 21:07:11 it installs 1.3MB in / Feb 06 21:07:43 http://maemo.org/packages/view/wget/ Feb 06 21:07:45 jebba: indeed... you're right.. sorry for the trouble Feb 06 21:08:32 jebba, ta Feb 06 21:08:34 shadowjk: well done. still not bugtracker... right ? Feb 06 21:09:01 V13: nope :/ Feb 06 21:09:49 and the wget in extras-testing has 0 karma Feb 06 21:09:50 huh Feb 06 21:09:55 how is it in extras Feb 06 21:10:07 last one is 27/1/2010 Feb 06 21:10:43 wrong.. 26/12/2009 Feb 06 21:10:46 just file it in bugs.maemo.org Feb 06 21:10:48 Maybe post to maemo-developers mailing list asking wtf? Feb 06 21:10:55 or bugs :) Feb 06 21:10:56 timless: against which package ? Feb 06 21:11:09 I'll send to maemo-dev Feb 06 21:11:13 distmaster or the sdk Feb 06 21:11:20 good nite Feb 06 21:11:30 just make jeremiah deal w/ it Feb 06 21:12:00 probably sdk if i were to place a guess Feb 06 21:12:06 * V13 lost Feb 06 21:12:09 given that the extension is osso instead of maemo Feb 06 21:12:14 there is a package named "sdk" and another one named "distmasteR" ? Feb 06 21:12:23 Does someone know why 'ssh -X' doesn't work to the N900? DISPLAY is always set to :0. I wanted to test remote streaming of the video through gstreamer over X11. Feb 06 21:12:31 no one here uses a cursor in maemo? Feb 06 21:12:43 uhsg: you mean the browser? Feb 06 21:12:57 it's very annoying to try to click without seeing a cursor Feb 06 21:13:27 V13: i mean everywhere on maemo interface Feb 06 21:14:33 * satmd has a nice idea for post-n900: a switch placed where the pen is stored, to lock/unlock (possibly) when removed/inserted Feb 06 21:14:37 ufsf: koffice does Feb 06 21:14:37 no one in their right mind doe Feb 06 21:14:37 uhsf: people can't tpically see a cursor tht's underneath their thumb Feb 06 21:14:38 and the presence of a cursor on the screen is incredibly annoying Feb 06 21:14:38 if you want to try it, use koffice viewer Feb 06 21:14:39 v13: sdk is a product or component Feb 06 21:14:39 dunno about dist, i think maemo.org/repositoriesk Feb 06 21:14:49 and if you can't figure out how to file this bug, you're wasting people's time Feb 06 21:14:57 * timeless is sick (litterally) Feb 06 21:15:13 and either you or me just had a lot of lag Feb 06 21:15:21 satmd: the switch idea is old Feb 06 21:15:27 * timeless Feb 06 21:15:34 Hm, is there a wget in SDK TOOLS repository too? Feb 06 21:15:36 DocScrutinizer: still nice :p Feb 06 21:15:40 * timeless is using a lame IAP Feb 06 21:16:00 shadowjk: i'd bet there is Feb 06 21:16:07 kinda hard to do work in an sdk w/o one :) Feb 06 21:16:20 timeless: chill-out. maemo.org's bugtracker is somehow messed. You have to find out which category a package is in. And this is #maemo. Not even #maemo-devel. Feb 06 21:16:22 besides, that's the only valid reason to find integration@maemo.org in the maintainer field Feb 06 21:16:40 v13: get me some saltines for my unsettled stomach Feb 06 21:17:03 oh.. stomach problem.. bad bad.. Feb 06 21:17:04 timeless: at home it's much more convenient to use a real pointing device than the touchscreen. the lack of cursor is a bug, not a feature Feb 06 21:17:05 integration@maemo.org address is in the extras package though.. the question is whether some random dude just uploaded package from sdk tools to extras :) Feb 06 21:17:18 * timeless went to the hospital around 6am today Feb 06 21:17:34 shadowjk: money is on it, yes Feb 06 21:17:39 wouldn't you? Feb 06 21:19:00 > And though the Postal Service creed may be "Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds," the agency suspended service across the Washington region on Saturday, surrendering to one of the largest snowfalls in the region's history. Feb 06 21:19:04 No I'd worry about leaving or not leaving the email fields as they are. On one hand removing credit, on the other hand adding noise emails Feb 06 21:20:17 adding/causing Feb 06 21:21:51 libpoppler2 is not a core component. Right ? Feb 06 21:22:23 * ShadowJK wonders how to find out who put wget in extas-devel, and how it went through -testing and into extras Feb 06 21:22:32 V13: maemo-list-user-packages Feb 06 21:22:36 v13: roughly speaking, just file the bug /somewhere/, someone will move the bug somewhere better Feb 06 21:22:48 timeless.. yes.. thanks! I did that against sdk Feb 06 21:22:51 I figured it out. There is no xauth for the N900. Nor is there a an xauth available in any of the standard repositories. :-( Feb 06 21:23:02 jebba: i found it in testing's queue Feb 06 21:24:23 * ShadowJK wonders if bugmenot has any *.maemo.org passwords Feb 06 21:25:09 Hi all Feb 06 21:25:13 hey Feb 06 21:25:15 Perhaps a package in testing should get negative karma from the packages that it depends on. Feb 06 21:25:23 Is there a common way to disable window composition for SDL apps? Feb 06 21:25:29 (To gain performance) Feb 06 21:26:29 quibus, there is, but I don't know it. you will likely find it from messages dealing with qt fullscreen apps and disabling composition. Feb 06 21:27:02 flux: you reckon SDL isn't different than Qt? Feb 06 21:27:06 (regarding this) Feb 06 21:27:16 there's a keystroke for it.. Feb 06 21:27:33 quibus, I'm guessing the solution talks directly with hildon or something Feb 06 21:27:56 I wrote a small python-prog that how much each non-system package consumes in rootfs. Are you interested in that? Feb 06 21:28:07 s/that how/that show how/ Feb 06 21:28:07 V13 meant: I wrote a small python-prog that show how much each non-system package consumes in rootfs. Are you interested in that? Feb 06 21:28:17 lol :) Feb 06 21:28:26 'shows' Feb 06 21:28:30 yes :) Feb 06 21:28:35 that's a cool bot feature :-) Feb 06 21:28:54 * V13 must learn to type Feb 06 21:29:01 naah Feb 06 21:29:09 * V13 msut lrn ot ytpe Feb 06 21:29:15 i think i'd rather one that just listed high scorers Feb 06 21:29:18 imp.lement autolcolrrectedd keybolard Feb 06 21:29:22 anyone under 100k isn't interesting Feb 06 21:29:28 fix everyholnes typ.nbg Feb 06 21:30:21 do someone know of a media server system thingy like subsonic, but another Feb 06 21:31:19 Well, 100k is interesting for those people who install everything :-) Feb 06 21:31:55 * dov managed to install xauth and stream video through ssh! Feb 06 21:32:01 Then we have stuff that consists essentially of two dozen 90k packages or something :-) Feb 06 21:33:13 does anyone have the 3g settings for O2? Feb 06 21:33:53 * N900evil sighs at angrybirds 21. last without *** Feb 06 21:35:57 another Q: is it ok to make a package of a wallpaper? Are wallpapers distributed in another way? Feb 06 21:36:27 here's atleast one wallpaper as a package... Feb 06 21:36:43 * V13 missed that Feb 06 21:37:03 milkyway-wallpaper Feb 06 21:37:05 right1 Feb 06 21:41:59 Bash1: mompl Feb 06 21:42:09 evening guys and gurls Feb 06 21:42:41 Does anybody know how I reset the network traffic counter for packet data (GPRS/UMTS)? Feb 06 21:42:51 * Trizt wonders why there aren't a group for themes in the installer, but themes are placed a little bit here and there sometimes as system, other times utils or desktop... Feb 06 21:43:10 there's a reset button next to the counte thing... Feb 06 21:43:25 Bash1: for loop prepaid (INTERNET S/M/L) it's APN: pinternet.interkom.de Feb 06 21:43:37 Bash1: no user/pw Feb 06 21:44:11 ive have the settings now DocScrutinizer51 :D Feb 06 21:44:12 ShadowJK: Is personal-gprs-mon the counter thing? Feb 06 21:44:22 sent a text msg to them and got them ty Feb 06 21:44:32 I do not see a reset button there... Feb 06 21:44:38 no I mean setup -> phone -> data counter Feb 06 21:44:49 I dont have personal-gprs-mon Feb 06 21:45:32 Many thanks, I found it :-) Feb 06 21:48:36 what's the enter code for unlocking sim card for? Feb 06 21:48:49 it's in the title bar of settings Feb 06 21:50:04 anybody a short few buzzwords how ntp et idem is handled on maemo5? Feb 06 21:51:06 ntpdate/netdate, date over GSM/GPS - any clue? Feb 06 21:52:50 date over gsm is supported atleast Feb 06 21:53:05 then there's minigpsd in the repos that supports time over gps, if it actually works on maemo5 Feb 06 21:53:14 and ntpdate is probably in repos too Feb 06 21:53:23 but the default maemo5 is date over gsm I believe Feb 06 21:53:56 hmm, makes sense to what I observe Feb 06 21:53:58 thnx Feb 06 21:54:44 openntpd and such use more power :-) Feb 06 21:54:48 and gps Feb 06 21:56:51 apt-get i ntpdate ->not found :-/ Feb 06 21:58:48 openntpd or s omething in -devel? Feb 06 22:02:28 good night Feb 06 22:02:29 N900evil, me too (played the last two days without a break -.-) Feb 06 22:04:23 openntpd there Feb 06 22:06:11 ntpd not exactly what I'm looking for though Feb 06 22:11:49 woot Feb 06 22:11:50 lease someone help out a dpkg noob on how to list all the pkgs and files in them - to grep or sth Feb 06 22:12:45 if it's installed, dpkg -L package lists all files owned by that package Feb 06 22:12:59 * ShadowJK is dpkg noob too tho :/ Feb 06 22:15:51 Is the difference between the N810 and N900 basically cell phone capability? Feb 06 22:16:14 and any idea what,s the magic incantation to start/stop/query services on that fake-upstart system? Feb 06 22:16:36 parolang: basically yes Feb 06 22:16:39 parolang: twice the RAM, twice the CPU power, 3D accel Feb 06 22:16:53 bigger screene on N810 Feb 06 22:17:16 same resolution though Feb 06 22:17:29 800x480 Feb 06 22:17:31 ya Feb 06 22:17:44 what dpi does that make? Feb 06 22:17:59 im liking mine :) Feb 06 22:18:17 forsome weird reason the N8x0 screen feels three times as large to me Feb 06 22:18:19 ShadowJK, DocScrutinizer51: Hmm, okay. Just that right now the N900 is a couple of hundred dollars more expensive, and I don't need the phone capability. Feb 06 22:18:36 Oh...810 has a bigger screen? Hmm. Feb 06 22:18:55 4.1" vs 3.5" Feb 06 22:19:08 n900 is 40% more expensive than n810 at launch Feb 06 22:19:10 parolang: then N810 is the device for you Feb 06 22:19:15 Can you still use the newer software on the N810, or is the software dead? Feb 06 22:19:18 I love my N810 Feb 06 22:19:21 DocScrutinizer51: Yeah, thinking about it :) Feb 06 22:19:28 it's kinda dead it seems Feb 06 22:19:29 It's dead Feb 06 22:19:39 :( Feb 06 22:19:42 as dead as open source software can be Feb 06 22:19:53 how's Mer going? Feb 06 22:20:13 mer on N8x0 is a bit too slow to be usable right now Feb 06 22:20:44 If I buy a N900...what's to say the software won't die when Nokia releases a new model? Feb 06 22:20:54 it definitely will Feb 06 22:21:01 :( Feb 06 22:21:25 we got promise Maemo4 (810) will see gfx upgrade eventually though Feb 06 22:21:36 iirc Feb 06 22:22:17 they had better not abandon the n900 Feb 06 22:22:17 The drivers are a bit not usable right now afaik :-) Feb 06 22:22:19 Can you use standard gnu/linux apps on it, or do you need ports? Feb 06 22:22:42 hi, when i leave my tablet alone for a while or so, wifi fails - it still looks like connected, but no packets going either way, when i leave it idling at irc, or use the wifi other way, it is fine Feb 06 22:22:43 what basically would mean we see maemo5 on old devices eventually Feb 06 22:22:43 easy-debian-chroot lets you run anything in debian, more or less Feb 06 22:22:56 n810 is quite cheap now though, is there anything of the same kind that's more powerful? ie no phone Feb 06 22:23:00 ShadowJK: thanks Feb 06 22:23:07 nokia n900 display is the exact same dpi as my sony vaio ux. ~256dpi. Feb 06 22:23:29 http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=4186641 is offering N810 for $285 :) Feb 06 22:23:39 I can't find an N900 for anywhere near that. Feb 06 22:24:24 Okay...one more question. How difficult is it to write your own apps/scripts for it? Feb 06 22:24:30 LuciusMare: tweak powersavings mode Feb 06 22:24:36 heh, N810 was retailing at around 220 before N900 was released Feb 06 22:24:43 #!/bin/sh Feb 06 22:24:43 echo foo Feb 06 22:24:43 # done Feb 06 22:25:01 jebba: What about the touch screen interface? Feb 06 22:25:25 gtk Feb 06 22:25:30 what he said Feb 06 22:25:38 or qt of course Feb 06 22:25:53 DocScrutinizer51: It's just standard GTK widgets and finger taps are mouse clicks? Feb 06 22:25:59 y Feb 06 22:26:07 yep Feb 06 22:26:21 Okay, thanks for answering. I'll still think about it :) Feb 06 22:26:26 cool eh? ;-) Feb 06 22:26:33 DocScrutinizer51: yeah :) Feb 06 22:27:01 not exactly standard, but... Feb 06 22:27:07 That's basically what has prevented me from buying any sort of smartphone...no ability to write your own programs. Completely misses the point, IMHO. Feb 06 22:29:47 well you can even write your own programs for "dumbphones" these days :-) Feb 06 22:30:07 since almost everything does j2me these days... except the ultra low end and the ultra high end... Feb 06 22:30:54 guess why ;-P Feb 06 22:31:10 ShadowJK: I think mine is ultra low end. Feb 06 22:31:44 as is FR X-D Feb 06 22:32:15 FR? Feb 06 22:32:21 nm Feb 06 22:32:34 on the nokia smartphone range you've even got 3 choices... S60 C++ (you're bonkers), python s60 (you're almost bonkers), j2me :-) Feb 06 22:32:38 wrong chan I guess Feb 06 22:33:25 is there anything i should know before installing easy-deb-chroot? Feb 06 22:33:39 is it stable enough on N900? Feb 06 22:34:02 is N900 stabe enouh for it? Feb 06 22:34:46 N900 is awesome though, because there it's very similar to coding stuff for linux desktop :D Feb 06 22:44:10 wow just installed xchat on n900. irc on my phone.. what times are we living in? nice Feb 06 22:44:40 heh Feb 06 22:44:56 Because typing is so much better than talking to someone :) Feb 06 22:45:10 parolang, it is, when you have 100+ people :) Feb 06 22:45:13 * ShadowJK had irc on his phone in ~2005 Feb 06 22:45:30 flux: good point :) Feb 06 22:45:39 jebba: your nickname means the male organ in my language's slang. Feb 06 22:45:47 lol. especially who wants to idle in a telephone conference all day? Feb 06 22:46:22 I'm pretty sure people were ircing with 9210, released in 2000. I might have, don't remember :). but without packet data it's not a good deal.. Feb 06 22:47:01 Mine was a siemens cf-62, released 2004 Feb 06 22:47:02 ptl: you must be brazilian Feb 06 22:47:05 shadow, my e61 had irc 2 but wasnt so convenient as on n900 Feb 06 22:47:06 j2me and gprs Feb 06 22:47:18 but is pronounced different ;) Feb 06 22:48:04 jebba: I am Feb 06 22:48:06 j2me is a bit sucky Feb 06 22:48:14 but it does its job Feb 06 22:48:35 and I had irc on my phone in 2004 :P Feb 06 22:48:47 any advice for me to minimize irc traffic? Feb 06 22:49:22 raily: nothing you can do except avoid busy channels Feb 06 22:49:31 or use some kind of bouncer that strips data, but I know nothing about that Feb 06 22:50:00 I suppose you could (for example) use ssh to forward your IRC traffic (not terminal traffic) and compress it while doing so Feb 06 22:50:12 but I don't think irc is going to take a lot of your bandwidth anyway Feb 06 22:50:20 in terms of megabytes Feb 06 22:50:35 rally: use a screen session on a remote host Feb 06 22:50:37 compressing is usually just not worth it :P Feb 06 22:50:37 and /ignore * CRAP Feb 06 22:50:40 but, hey, you could install a custom kernel and use iptables to count the numbers :) Feb 06 22:50:54 the N900 has a FM transmitter and a FM receiver, right? Feb 06 22:51:00 would it be too difficult to develop a 'walkie-talkie' app for it? Feb 06 22:51:01 yes Feb 06 22:51:04 juhovh, well, it should be, for IRC-traffic, no? Feb 06 22:51:14 ptl: very difficult Feb 06 22:51:17 so two N900's could talk to each othere Feb 06 22:51:19 why? Feb 06 22:51:21 the range for transmitting is roughly inches Feb 06 22:51:22 Oh...battery life on the N810? One retailer advertises 10 hours with wireless turned off. Is that realistic? Feb 06 22:51:22 ptl: the FM transmitter has a range of like 3 meters Feb 06 22:51:31 flux: as said, IRC traffic is very little Feb 06 22:51:38 or less Feb 06 22:51:38 villager: oh... Feb 06 22:51:45 and using a screen session on a remote host is likely to take more bandwidth than local irc client Feb 06 22:51:48 even with the crap ignored Feb 06 22:51:55 juhovh, it could be more if you are one 20+ busy channels 24/7 :) Feb 06 22:51:58 because every time there's a new line it will update a lot of stuff Feb 06 22:52:07 screen not really available for n900, isnt it? Feb 06 22:52:08 well, that's true Feb 06 22:52:32 indeed, running irc over ssh on n900 is not a good option if your goal is to minimize traffic Feb 06 22:52:34 and with screen one can always change to some not busy window to save bandwidth Feb 06 22:52:44 that's a good thing Feb 06 22:52:54 ptl: the radio band is regulated by FCC or equivalent Feb 06 22:53:01 (irc over ssh has other benefits, though) Feb 06 22:53:05 and you aren't allowed to transmit w/ more power w/o a licence Feb 06 22:53:05 juhovh, or you could simply disconnect.. Feb 06 22:53:12 exactly :P Feb 06 22:53:26 I'd go with an irc bouncer Feb 06 22:53:31 and disconnect when not used Feb 06 22:53:36 http://www.snopes.com/love/dating/golddigger.asp Feb 06 22:53:37 that's going to use very little bandwidth Feb 06 22:53:37 * timeless uses screen Feb 06 22:53:54 it also works for when my mac can't connect via irc: Feb 06 22:53:58 ptl: it's only meant to transmit to a car radio or stereo next to it... you need some sort of official license to transmit longer than that, and since the N900 is a consumer device, it limits the range to that Feb 06 22:54:00 (as is the case right now) Feb 06 22:54:02 I could add the power boost hack to the walkie-talkie app Feb 06 22:54:28 ptl: you want people to be arrested for violating FCC regs? Feb 06 22:54:29 actually I've found that running ssh+irc from my n900 eats its battery quite fast if infact I'm also attached the same session to a pc and I'm flipping windows Feb 06 22:55:01 there was a tudent radio station @ UCLA which violated the broadcast output limits and it was converted to carrier vecause of that Feb 06 22:55:18 ptl, it is also likely that the hardware isn't very suitable for sending high-power FM Feb 06 22:55:26 ptl, however, why wouldn't you implement the walkie-talkie over wlan? Feb 06 22:55:34 s/tud/stud/ Feb 06 22:55:34 timeless meant: there was a student radio station @ UCLA which violated the broadcast output limits and it was converted to carrier vecause of that Feb 06 22:55:49 timeless: is Nokia refusing to provide the code needed for ptl to do what he wants? Feb 06 22:55:51 ptl, os was the point to use FM band.. Feb 06 22:56:02 flux: because there is not every place that has a vlan Feb 06 22:56:04 parolang, it all depends on what you're doing Feb 06 22:56:06 and because where I work Feb 06 22:56:09 we use LEAP Feb 06 22:56:15 ptl, you can have an ad-hoc wlan between the phones Feb 06 22:56:18 and N900 does not support LEAP Feb 06 22:56:23 oh Feb 06 22:56:28 luke: step one: void your warranty by opening the device and inserting a much larger battery and longer antenna Feb 06 22:56:29 hmm, indeed. Feb 06 22:56:40 step two: get fcc approval Feb 06 22:56:45 ptl: you could also in theory write your own driver to use the wlan chipset for your own custom data Feb 06 22:56:46 instead of fm radio/receiver f or walkie talkie... how about adhoc wlan... Feb 06 22:56:54 step three: profit? Feb 06 22:57:04 timeless: so Nokia isn't preventing it? Feb 06 22:57:12 step three is ???, step four is profit Feb 06 22:57:14 luke: the FCC is Feb 06 22:57:24 what format does the snes emulator use for roms? Feb 06 22:57:26 timeless, no, it's rather like: step 1) up the internal amplification parameter, and hope it doesn't fry your phone 2) don't get caught :) Feb 06 22:57:51 There's even a fm-boost thing in extras. heh. Feb 06 22:57:57 does skype work without connection to the intenet? Feb 06 22:58:20 how long does it takes after package has been build succesfully and it gets imported to extras-devel? Feb 06 22:58:31 ie. would it work in a closed network such as a non-routed ad-hoc wlan Feb 06 22:58:40 flux: no Feb 06 22:58:56 bah. sucky p2p phone system then :) Feb 06 22:58:58 timeless: as long as Nokia isn't playing FCC on their own, I don't care :P Feb 06 22:59:23 maybe plain VOIP could work? Feb 06 22:59:23 skype is proprietary crap... sip is better Feb 06 22:59:29 well, N900 has even some library called telepathy Feb 06 22:59:32 or does it need DNS? Feb 06 22:59:36 other than only buying parts sufficient to do what we need approval for instead of top of the line for things we wouldn't get approval for... Feb 06 22:59:37 or other services Feb 06 22:59:37 so it must be able to send a signal directly to the brain Feb 06 22:59:45 flux: plain VoIP + IPv6 would probably work to a degree Feb 06 22:59:51 hasn't xmpp voice capability? Feb 06 22:59:52 ptl, I think they haven't yet implemented that module.. Feb 06 23:00:03 V13: XMPP requires a central server too Feb 06 23:00:10 there's link-local Feb 06 23:00:14 serverless Feb 06 23:00:23 (and it works) Feb 06 23:00:27 flux: btw, IRC on 3g is a real battery killer Feb 06 23:00:29 v13, is there an actual program that can take advantage of that? Feb 06 23:00:37 "that" / Feb 06 23:00:38 ? Feb 06 23:00:48 well.. that's an interesting question. Feb 06 23:00:56 v13, of link-local serverless XMPP to transmit voice Feb 06 23:01:03 t.m.o. has a thread for google voice with video chat Feb 06 23:01:20 and afaik google talk is based on xmpp Feb 06 23:01:32 so, it *should* be almost done Feb 06 23:01:34 but no idea Feb 06 23:01:37 I'd like to know how I can press "enter" on the xterm for the emulated N900 environment (scratchbox) without having to press that annoying Ctrl button Feb 06 23:01:51 V13: s/based on// Feb 06 23:01:52 press the other enter Feb 06 23:02:03 what do you mean, V13? Feb 06 23:02:08 I have a laptop Feb 06 23:02:10 ptl: you press the keypad enter ? Feb 06 23:02:12 oh Feb 06 23:02:13 I don't have a numeric-keypad-enter Feb 06 23:02:13 V13: gtalk is xmpp Feb 06 23:02:19 zash.. exactly Feb 06 23:02:32 and n900's gtalk can do voice Feb 06 23:02:39 (based on t.m.o) Feb 06 23:02:51 so xmpp local should probably be able to do voice too Feb 06 23:02:54 but that's only a guess Feb 06 23:02:57 ptl: telepathy is just a fancy name... it's an open source communications infrastructure, it can handle voip, telephony, sms, im, and things like that... Feb 06 23:03:13 V13: can do voice fine @jabber to @jabber Feb 06 23:03:26 or whatever random jabber/xmpp server, not just google Feb 06 23:03:51 (walkietalkie) via BT-PAN you got better cards for that app Feb 06 23:05:21 villager: I know that, I was kidding Feb 06 23:05:34 jebba: voice won't work with random xmpp to gtalk? Feb 06 23:05:40 walkie-talkie via bluetooth? Feb 06 23:05:54 there's not enough bandwidht for that... isn't it? Feb 06 23:06:06 zash: ya, that works too. all gtalk/xmpp/jabber variations i've seen work fine with talk. Feb 06 23:06:21 ptl: bt can handle an audio call... Feb 06 23:06:31 how else would you expect headphones to work? Feb 06 23:06:34 ptl: if you've got bt headsets, then surely there's enough... the range may be more of an issue Feb 06 23:06:48 i did adhoc network + asterisk server on n900 for sort of infrastructure-free communication between n900s. Feb 06 23:07:23 jebba: cool Feb 06 23:07:33 jebba: it would be awesome to dump the carriers Feb 06 23:07:40 ptl: sure there is. or use adhoc-wlan as mentioned before Feb 06 23:08:27 actually with 100mW TX pwr you could see some 100m on free field Feb 06 23:10:52 si, is part of grand plan. Feb 06 23:11:11 DocScrutinizer we got about 30M in the woods Feb 06 23:11:18 line of site was pretty much key... Feb 06 23:11:34 jebba: sounds about reasonable Feb 06 23:12:07 DocScrutinizer: ok Feb 06 23:12:25 jebba: though I guess it largely depends on holding the N900 in a way you don't obstruct the WLAN antenna Feb 06 23:12:36 exactly. Feb 06 23:13:10 would a headset boost the wlan antenna like it boosts the fm transmitter? Feb 06 23:13:14 (wired) Feb 06 23:13:22 i dont think so, but i wish. Feb 06 23:13:28 villager: nope Feb 06 23:13:50 villager, it doesn't boost the fm transmitter Feb 06 23:13:55 freq of WLAN not suited for a headset cable for antenna Feb 06 23:14:09 the receiver yes, the transmitter, i doubt it Feb 06 23:14:25 MohammadAG: exactly, it's supposed to boost the RX only Feb 06 23:14:33 MohammadAG: why do you then think the buildin software turns down the fm transmitter when you connect a wired headset "in order to comply with regulations"? Feb 06 23:14:51 nope Feb 06 23:14:52 huh? never seen that Feb 06 23:14:57 cause it causes interference Feb 06 23:15:00 funny though Feb 06 23:15:25 plugin in a charger while using the TX Feb 06 23:15:26 I managed to create a nice feedvack over FM-TX -> RX XP Feb 06 23:15:35 although i think it's a sw bug Feb 06 23:15:43 (but the n97 does it do) Feb 06 23:15:58 then again the n97 is the flagship of bugs Feb 06 23:16:59 btw plugin of headset says "route audio to AV receptacle". What use could FM-TX have when you don't feed audio to it? Feb 06 23:17:50 beeping Feb 06 23:19:13 start TX. start FMreceiver, ignore "plug antenna" warning. Tune to same freq as TX -> voila: feedbak Feb 06 23:20:21 I guess with 2 N900 you create a pair if puppet house walkietalkies easily that way ;-P Feb 06 23:21:10 aaaah forgot: "enable speaker in FMrcv" Feb 06 23:24:53 is that in the configuration menus? Sorry, for now I am using just the emulated environment, my N900 still hasn't arrived, it's in the customs agency. Feb 06 23:29:24 jebba: while talking: I really don't like the idea to use * for a p2p-sip connection. How would you enter "SIP:clientA@192.186.1.20" to dialer, for connection type SIP-VOIP? Feb 06 23:32:11 no clue Feb 06 23:36:01 haaahhh :-)) Feb 06 23:36:07 uhsf: ah, good for you. the ifconfig usb0 51.0.0.9 up and route add default gw 51.0.0.10 would do Feb 06 23:36:27 switch connection type to voip in dialer keypad, and fine you are Feb 06 23:36:53 irc on a mobile was ~1997 when the 9000 came out Feb 06 23:37:32 although I didn't get to use the work pool one until Jan 1998 Feb 06 23:38:24 what's 'the 9000'? Feb 06 23:38:32 I used irc on a PDA in 1999 Feb 06 23:40:23 The Nokia 9000 their 1st communicatof Feb 06 23:40:25 r Feb 06 23:43:13 ah Feb 06 23:43:52 I've seen that one... and I had a sort-of compatible device, the nokia 7710 Feb 06 23:46:16 compatible? Feb 06 23:46:44 the following 9110 was a wonderful device Feb 06 23:48:47 7710 was 2004 Feb 06 23:50:30 I just meant that I was able to run some apps made for the N9000 on my N7710. Feb 06 23:51:05 N9000 used Symboan S80, N7710 Symbian S90 Feb 06 23:51:10 *Symbian Feb 06 23:51:21 I don't think 9000 used Symbian Feb 06 23:51:43 isn't it the nokia communicator? Feb 06 23:51:55 it was GEOS, not Symbian Feb 06 23:52:02 yes, communicator Feb 06 23:52:54 I confused things Feb 06 23:52:57 with Nokia 9300 and 9500 Feb 06 23:53:27 according to wikipedia it was first Nokia 9000, then 9110, then they changed to Symbian with 9210, then it was 9300 and 9500 Feb 06 23:54:09 darn, "new voip-account / SIP" isn't very clear on how to set it up for direct-p2p SIP, i.e. using it *without* registrar Feb 06 23:54:16 what format does the snes emulator use for roms? Feb 06 23:55:35 ptl: yes, so 9000 didn't do symbian stuff Feb 06 23:55:57 it had an intel compatible cpu, could run command.com Feb 06 23:56:20 Damion2: i noted these from late reply just in case libicd-network-null was broken somehow Feb 06 23:56:57 and 9300 was recently so 9210 s/ware must have been able to run on the 7710 Feb 07 00:01:01 good times. And the Nokia 7710 even had flash. (iPad hasn't) Feb 07 00:12:45 hi Feb 07 00:13:29 lo Feb 07 00:14:25 yes, we really need am hildonized xchat :) Feb 07 00:15:32 That woudl be nice. Feb 07 00:15:35 Plz do. Feb 07 00:15:55 What are you waiting for? Get to work. ;) Feb 07 00:18:46 If you succeed, I will buy you a GPS upgrade kit! Feb 07 00:18:49 lol :p Feb 07 00:18:53 http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2876 Feb 07 00:19:17 I'm not so skilled with gtk ui Feb 07 00:19:36 what's "hildonized xchat" please? Feb 07 00:20:01 presumably one that scrolls nicely Feb 07 00:20:10 some of the menus are less insane to use Feb 07 00:20:15 ... Feb 07 00:20:32 [2010-02-06 14:07:33] RST38h: big master of xchat mods, how about less crome to shrink the input textfield (almost 2 lines hight now), removing the dangerous chantab close [X}, and ##make scrollbutton hotarea MUUUCH LARGER## ? Earn further eternal merits :-) Feb 07 00:20:51 would suffice for me, for now Feb 07 00:21:56 yeah Feb 07 00:22:16 chantab close? Feb 07 00:22:55 smaller input area would be good. Feb 07 00:23:00 I have channel-tree o n left side. n left lower there's a "[X]" to close the current chan subwin Feb 07 00:23:11 you can turn that off Feb 07 00:23:14 it's in prefs Feb 07 00:23:16 how? Feb 07 00:23:26 vi ~/.xc... Feb 07 00:23:32 lol Feb 07 00:23:56 I also want what pidgin can do. Feb 07 00:24:34 I want waht pidgin can't do Feb 07 00:25:36 pidgin is abyssmal crap. what is it, it can do and xchat can't? Feb 07 00:25:50 http://www.mauve.plus.com/pidgin.gif Feb 07 00:26:08 aliased channel names with short names Feb 07 00:26:30 k Feb 07 00:28:02 any searchstring for mod-o-fy .../xchat.conf? Feb 07 00:28:26 hango Feb 07 00:28:33 I mean, that's 175 lines Feb 07 00:29:12 gui_quit_dialog? Feb 07 00:29:18 set to 0 here Feb 07 00:30:57 doesn't sound quite right, anyway I'll give it a try Feb 07 00:33:46 * parolang <-- ERC FTW :) Feb 07 00:33:54 what I suspected. That is for quit-app-query "do you really want to leave?" Feb 07 00:34:51 Sorry. Feb 07 00:35:04 It's a side-effect of picking 'tree mode' channel list Feb 07 00:35:27 (which I find takes up - with channels shortened to 4 chars - less room) Feb 07 00:35:32 the [X] ? Feb 07 00:35:44 The [X] dissapearing Feb 07 00:35:51 tree mode has no such button Feb 07 00:36:21 hmm when I tested it there was something odd with it - can't remember what though Feb 07 00:36:29 wfm Feb 07 00:40:20 hmm I guess it's been the "#maemo" vs "#maemo-devel", and "#openmoko" vs "#openmoko-cdevel" wich makes me grant it more space than the centered can-name text in tabs list Feb 07 00:40:53 so yes, chan aliases are really useful I guess Feb 07 00:43:38 still I think I'll learn to love it, when the previous tablist with (X) is the alternative Feb 07 00:44:09 hildon has some breakages in some cases Feb 07 00:44:14 forex fbreader Feb 07 00:44:26 you can't use the device inverted in portrait mode sanely Feb 07 00:45:01 as the 'popup menu' appears in the top-left corner when you pagedown - which is somewhat annoyinhg Feb 07 00:45:28 errr? Feb 07 00:46:14 inverted portrait - when you want the USB charging cable going down Feb 07 00:46:28 with xchat? Feb 07 00:46:34 no Feb 07 00:46:38 with fbreader Feb 07 00:46:39 sorry Feb 07 00:48:11 what does n900 use as sound device? Feb 07 00:48:21 what do you mean with that question Feb 07 00:48:26 on lowest level: alsa Feb 07 00:48:27 /dev/xxx Feb 07 00:48:51 ifreq: you're sure about that? Feb 07 00:49:00 okay. i still cant figure out my problem. built an app (mp3blaster) it works with the deb i built. doesnt work when its build with garage Feb 07 00:49:10 so im quite puzzled atm :( Feb 07 00:49:58 build-dep on pulse-dev libalsa-dev and stuff? Feb 07 00:50:02 whatever the real names are Feb 07 00:50:31 ifreq: I don't think there is (or if there actually is then whether you should use) /dev/dsp alike OSS soundsystem emu Feb 07 00:50:39 hmm ok will look into them Feb 07 00:50:40 yeah Feb 07 00:51:08 just strange it builds locally OK package but via garage .. yeah it prob misses something Feb 07 00:51:09 The autobuilder basically doesn't give you anything installed by default Feb 07 00:51:16 ah Feb 07 00:51:20 Okaaaay. Feb 07 00:51:26 bbl then. need to fix stuff Feb 07 00:51:27 nite all, sweet dreams Feb 07 00:51:38 First unmap original function of ctrl-q before trying to add new. Feb 07 00:52:47 SpeedEvil: seems your topics are a little jumpy, no? :-) Feb 07 00:53:21 Or I'm below par on keeping up with your thoughts today Feb 07 00:53:31 see above quit Feb 07 00:53:53 I was trying to map complete nick to ctrl-q Feb 07 00:54:10 * ShadowJK has it mapped to shift-space in xchat Feb 07 00:54:33 no quit here. maybe caused by "filter join/quit msgs"? Feb 07 00:54:41 yeah Feb 07 00:55:30 so it's not me :-) pfffeww Feb 07 00:57:00 reminds me to remap nick completion to the unused shift-space Feb 07 00:59:18 finally. :) Feb 07 01:00:34 *envious* Feb 07 01:00:45 why? Feb 07 01:01:40 because my n900 is still not here Feb 07 01:01:54 I only have the emulated scratchbox environment. Feb 07 01:02:03 two weeks and a half since I bought it Feb 07 01:02:18 perpetually out of stock :( Feb 07 01:02:53 3 or 4 days to get to my country Feb 07 01:02:53 k, bat @ 28% after 6h of UMTS & IRC Feb 07 01:02:55 not because it's out of stock Feb 07 01:02:57 the rest of time in the customes agency Feb 07 01:03:14 i get constant problems with mouse click from flash Feb 07 01:03:23 most of the time it just does not work at all Feb 07 01:03:31 DocScrutinizer, how many chans/active is that? Feb 07 01:04:04 ptl: i just got mine yesterday, im loving it Feb 07 01:04:04 . /whois DocScrutinizer51 Feb 07 01:04:43 aaaaaah :( Feb 07 01:04:50 [2010-02-07 02:03:49] [Whois] DocScrutinizer51 hat Benutzerstatus in den Kanälen: #gta02-core #maemo #maemo-devel #neo1973-germany #openmoko #openmoko-cdevel Feb 07 01:04:53 I'm anxious as hell Feb 07 01:05:06 i bet Feb 07 01:05:09 i was too Feb 07 01:05:55 DocScrutinizer, odd, it showed me maemo and mer only :P Feb 07 01:06:05 * Arkenoi tried to play tower defence and could not build any towers :-( Feb 07 01:06:07 probably only chans we're both in. Feb 07 01:06:34 ShadowJK: hmm, might relate to some chan set "invisible" or somesuch Feb 07 01:06:51 i suspect freenode treats all chans as +s for whois Feb 07 01:07:25 or there is a user mode to set this Feb 07 01:07:30 dunno Feb 07 01:08:32 * ShadowJK manages to pose the question whether N900 has colomb counting or voltage crap in a bugzilla comment :D Feb 07 01:08:59 hrhrr Feb 07 01:09:24 so like, freerunner had a chip in the battery, but also worked fine on nokia batteries, I guess the battery meter (if any) didn't work with nokia batteries? Feb 07 01:09:33 oi guys, you know the podcast thingy? Feb 07 01:09:45 gpodder? Feb 07 01:09:48 Can I get the podcasts from Itunes there? Feb 07 01:09:49 ShadowJK: yeah Feb 07 01:09:59 dunno about itunes Feb 07 01:10:50 ShadowJK: that's been addressed to me? Feb 07 01:12:58 not particulary, but there has been some freerunner users here in the past atleast, would've been interesting if anyone had tried it with nokia batteries Feb 07 01:13:12 sure Feb 07 01:13:58 we even made a kernel module to have semi-decent 'battery-voltage crap" with nokia BL-xC Feb 07 01:14:24 ah :-) Feb 07 01:14:27 the bq27k CC chip resides in the GTA02 smart battery Feb 07 01:15:05 hmm Feb 07 01:15:33 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers Feb 07 01:15:59 f7/8 are scroll buttons. unfortunately shift-lock does not act like shift is pressed Feb 07 01:16:32 trying to get it to scroll up/down after caps lock turned on Feb 07 01:16:45 * DocScrutinizer wonders how SpeedEvil is goinf to press F7/8 on N900 Feb 07 01:17:50 hm.. "noisy measuring of battery current" on gta01 Feb 07 01:18:17 qemu took 4* as long to decode an mp3 to wav than native Feb 07 01:18:38 that's pretty promising Feb 07 01:19:12 ShadowJK: I'm not 100% sure this is correct Feb 07 01:19:21 ace_solitaire was significantly faster emulated locally than X forwarded Feb 07 01:19:57 ShadowJK: actually current *is* noisy. Probably you just get a momentary value when reading the current Feb 07 01:19:57 f7/8 are scroll buttons. unfortunately shift-lock does not act like shift is pressed Feb 07 01:20:37 * DocScrutinizer wonders how SpeedEvil is goinf to press F7/8 on N900 Feb 07 01:20:42 :-P Feb 07 01:20:52 DocScrutinizer, yeah I'd imagine it'd be something like a soc's gpio/ADC over a sense resistor? Feb 07 01:20:54 f7/8 are zoom buttons. Feb 07 01:21:03 oops Feb 07 01:21:13 ShadowJK: yup Feb 07 01:21:36 * ShadowJK must now find the sauce for that "voltage crap" module, it's porn Feb 07 01:22:14 it's built in to the PCF50606 PMU chip, but nevertheless I guess it's not smart enough to do an average over the last say 10sec Feb 07 01:22:46 PaulFertser: any hints? :-D Feb 07 01:24:59 DocScrutinizer, volume keys are bound to that. Feb 07 01:25:09 aaaaah Feb 07 01:25:20 thanks GAN900 Feb 07 01:25:55 shift-up/down bound to pgup/dn makes sense Feb 07 01:26:08 coool Feb 07 01:26:36 ouch, broke my fingers :-P Feb 07 01:27:23 muhahaha, "internal error, xchat closed" Feb 07 01:30:03 Sha, Feb 07 01:30:13 hmm Feb 07 01:30:40 sha: Feb 07 01:30:49 sha, Feb 07 01:30:54 oops Feb 07 01:31:47 lol Feb 07 01:32:16 so... whats the 'best' app/game/whatever everyone recommends for the n900? Feb 07 01:33:04 vi Feb 07 01:33:23 less Feb 07 01:33:45 or maybe bash :-P Feb 07 01:33:53 tower toppler Feb 07 01:34:57 N900evil: have you done those pgup/dn mappings? Feb 07 01:35:44 haha Feb 07 01:35:51 ok besides the normal linux stuff Feb 07 01:40:08 N900evil: ...or have you killed your xchat by pressing shift-leftVol, like I did? :-) Feb 07 01:41:28 anyone with sparetime/sparemotivation to write a energysaving irc bouncer? :P Feb 07 01:42:47 make that a proxy. Feb 07 01:43:09 Damion2: yes Feb 07 01:43:16 Damion2: works well Feb 07 01:43:34 Damion2: and shift-right to complete Feb 07 01:43:42 yeah me too Feb 07 01:43:44 SpeedEvil: you did that just via the settings/keymappings? Feb 07 01:43:53 DocScrutinizer: yes. Feb 07 01:44:15 oh, I edited some complex config file Feb 07 01:44:16 with shiftlock? Feb 07 01:44:20 annoyingly, you can't map blue-shifts Feb 07 01:44:42 DocScrutinizer: no - it doesn't work with shiftlock - as it looks at the state of teh key, not the logical state of the key Feb 07 01:44:49 or something Feb 07 01:44:58 but holding down shift is possible Feb 07 01:45:16 yeah, you'd probably have to tweak xmodmap (or whatever it's called) to map blue-F7/8 Feb 07 01:45:16 I was initially thinking of using the zoombuttons - for which holding down shift is awkward Feb 07 01:46:02 where do I get sshfs and is fuse built in? Feb 07 01:46:21 hmmm Feb 07 01:48:53 SpeedEvil: (hold shift) [2010-02-07 02:26:36] ouch, broke my fingers :-P Feb 07 01:51:35 SpeedEvil: on a different topic: was that you who complained about the original white breathing light having too long a pause time to spot it at a glance? Feb 07 01:57:00 maybe Feb 07 01:57:40 I think I more wasn't seeinb the point in it at all Feb 07 01:58:27 on xchat - shift-0 to channel 1 is very handy. Feb 07 02:00:44 * DocScrutinizer curses his äöü kbd Feb 07 02:01:50 ah Feb 07 02:05:33 21% after 10h Feb 07 02:06:11 wait what? what was it at 6h.. Feb 07 02:06:23 and how come your umts irc is draining battery like my edge irc... Feb 07 02:06:56 to be fair, whenever I enable 3g mode with xchat open, it stays at 3.5g hsdpa all of the time :/ Feb 07 02:07:53 sorry, after 7h Feb 07 02:09:43 * ShadowJK wonders if the voltageguestimate thing knows about current consumption Feb 07 02:09:49 still mostly 3G here Feb 07 02:10:26 doesn't seem so, according to lshal Feb 07 02:10:42 iirc Feb 07 02:11:12 yeah well, current consumption isn't in lshal on N8x0 either Feb 07 02:11:32 but the hardware actually measures it good enough that you can make your own colomb counter in userspace Feb 07 02:12:27 1sec sampling interval ghetto mA counting seems to stay 10% accurate for half a week or so, too :-) Feb 07 02:16:49 ShadowJK: actually I'd expect the omap PMU should know about current consumption Feb 07 02:18:06 I've seen some unrealistic "corrections" Feb 07 02:19:07 which kinda make me think it's unaware of current consumption, and just has a voltage window treating peaks as unloaded voltage Feb 07 02:20:22 That's what I deduced from the capacity readings, yes Feb 07 02:21:08 I guess the hw can measure current, but can't count it Feb 07 02:21:43 but the guessometer not knowing or caring about actual current consumption doesn't mean you can't accuire this reading from any of the PMU registers Feb 07 02:21:57 exactly Feb 07 02:22:39 I'm running shit that keeps the CPU awake most of the time anyway, adding a charge counter running on the CPU would be small batterylife hit for me :( Feb 07 02:28:21 hrhrr haha. bat low warning. 0% Feb 07 02:31:08 from what percentage did it jump to 0? :-) Feb 07 02:31:54 [2010-02-07 03:05:32] 21% after 7h [edit] Feb 07 02:57:16 have any of you tried jagged alliance 2 on n900? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Feb 07 02:59:58 2010