**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 18 02:59:57 2010 Feb 18 03:00:00 yes Feb 18 03:00:08 Ok Feb 18 03:00:09 iirc its open Feb 18 03:00:09 and no (afaik) Feb 18 03:00:20 hmm Feb 18 03:00:27 and waits for someone to fix imap-idle Feb 18 03:00:47 http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/ Feb 18 03:01:48 applications/email doesn't look *too* open Feb 18 03:01:55 mhm Feb 18 03:02:11 well maybe thats the reason that it is so unuseable Feb 18 03:02:40 * cehteh think that was invented for someone who gets no more than 3 mails a day Feb 18 03:02:50 (and have to answer one in a week) Feb 18 03:03:10 lol Feb 18 03:03:16 really Feb 18 03:03:52 no imap subscriptions, no threading, no imap idle Feb 18 03:03:53 for sure I'm scared to configure my imap-account with the 80k pending unread msgs :-) Feb 18 03:04:07 well since 1.1 it works Feb 18 03:04:48 but no idle support still means its really not useful to monitor your mailbox and let you notify on new mails Feb 18 03:05:11 notifications should be toggleable on per folder base at least Feb 18 03:05:57 all left is that you tell it to fetch mails after every half hour or so and then it shows you only *one* notification for a random mail, which usually is the junk folder Feb 18 03:06:03 thats utterly unuseable Feb 18 03:06:26 so use nokia messaging or mfe Feb 18 03:06:51 or claws .. which has its own problems, but still Feb 18 03:07:33 * Arkenoi uses NM, it is pain Feb 18 03:07:44 i have my own mailserver and dont want to route all my mail through nokia Feb 18 03:09:07 the *MOST* annoying thing with modest is when you open your inbox or compose message you.. 1) start modest 2) select nokia messaging 3) select mail account 4) select inbox. If it is not UI epic fail, what is? Feb 18 03:09:11 is there a command to drop the frequency to 250Mhz (Heh, can it go even lower?) Feb 18 03:09:45 Arkenoi: that too, always 3 taps too much Feb 18 03:10:07 same for the rss reader .. thats the only thing which needs a double tab i found so far Feb 18 03:10:14 Wild_Doogy, to what end? Feb 18 03:10:14 It's Linux. cd /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ Feb 18 03:10:19 Wild_Doogy, and, no, that's lowest. Feb 18 03:10:30 cehteh: i switched to google reader "iphone" web app Feb 18 03:10:31 hi everbody, you're all doin good ? Feb 18 03:10:39 it is finger friendly, fast and good Feb 18 03:10:39 Wild_Doogy: why do you want it lower? Feb 18 03:11:02 oh, just thinking of battery usage Feb 18 03:11:10 Wild_Doogy, don't. Feb 18 03:11:15 that would actually harm battery usage Feb 18 03:11:16 haha Feb 18 03:11:20 Wild_Doogy, the N900 already follows optimal usage out of the box. Feb 18 03:11:22 means less cpu sleeping Feb 18 03:11:29 Wild_Doogy, race to idle is the concept you're looking for. Feb 18 03:11:36 yeah Feb 18 03:12:26 cehteh: http://www.google.com/reader/i Feb 18 03:12:57 much better than builtin rss reader which is not really hildonized and lacks fullscreen mode Feb 18 03:13:06 ok, so, if you were to "throttle" (I think is the word) the n900 to 250MHz, that would use more battery than just letting whatever program is running finish, and then let the CPU sleep? Feb 18 03:13:09 i dont need a rss reader that urgendly and the buildin works for me .. but its just not as good as it could be Feb 18 03:13:20 try that link Feb 18 03:13:25 it is definitely better Feb 18 03:13:41 ajax-based and finger-oriented Feb 18 03:13:45 Wild_Doogy: exactly Feb 18 03:13:57 According to ohlo, I was posting things to the internet before I was born Feb 18 03:14:01 and before the internet existed. Feb 18 03:14:08 Arkenoi: no thanks :P .. i like standalone programs on my computer Feb 18 03:14:46 GeneralAntilles: one of my project has -36 lines bash Feb 18 03:15:20 is the new firmware worth a flash? Feb 18 03:15:42 ah -36 comment lines in autoconf .. that was it Feb 18 03:15:43 cehteh, seems to be an epoch fail. Feb 18 03:15:52 uhsf, why flash, just upgrade? Feb 18 03:15:52 http://www.ohloh.net/p/nobug/analyses/latest Feb 18 03:16:28 i really wonder how one can get this *that* wrong Feb 18 03:20:11 baaah, bloody bullshit. after the 50th cookie I denied I closed the empty page Feb 18 03:20:53 probably tries to place 100s of them on my manchine >:( Feb 18 03:22:06 do you always flash to new firmwares? Feb 18 03:22:13 uhsf, er, no? Feb 18 03:22:20 uhsf, you never need to flash new firmwares. Feb 18 03:22:25 ~ssu Feb 18 03:22:26 hmm... ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU Feb 18 03:24:31 ~optification is also http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space Feb 18 03:24:32 DocScrutinizer: okay Feb 18 03:27:07 http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/applications-power-management/race-to-idle.php Wild_Doogy Feb 18 03:27:08 oh Feb 18 03:29:26 oh? Feb 18 03:29:44 It was mentioned earlier - scrollback problems Feb 18 03:29:47 Wild_Doogy, except substitute much lower power values for the N900. ;) Feb 18 03:30:08 DocScrutinizer, don't worry, he didn't stumble on the NDA pdf. :P Feb 18 03:30:31 naah - it uses 34W at 4GHz Feb 18 03:30:50 you just need to submerge it in liquid helium pumped at over 50m/s. Feb 18 03:31:17 Or a fire extinguisher Feb 18 03:32:10 GeneralAntilles: NDA.pdf? o.O I already instantiated a personality for the schizoid split resulting from signing it, but yet no NDA to sign in my inbox :-) Feb 18 03:33:09 Thanks for the info guys Feb 18 03:33:22 Hehe Feb 18 03:33:35 I dunno how people can do it. Feb 18 03:35:49 great, my frogpad works again after the new minor version upgrade :) Feb 18 03:37:29 anyone else who has experience with frogpad and linux? i need to fix the keymap, most keys except for letters are still unmapped Feb 18 03:53:31 Damn, only problem with the YouTube HTML5 beta is that videos start playing in the background. Feb 18 03:53:51 They diddn't work at all for me ont he n900 Feb 18 03:53:56 are tehy working for you? Feb 18 03:54:02 Or did I miss some codecy thing Feb 18 03:54:08 SpeedEvil, no, OmniWeb Feb 18 03:54:08 I'm being offtopic, sorry. Feb 18 03:54:12 ah Feb 18 03:54:14 I got mine working. A little laggy at times, but works. Feb 18 03:54:36 I wish zoutube would search Feb 18 03:54:45 Or at least accept cp URLs Feb 18 03:54:51 agreed Feb 18 03:55:29 zootube? ;-P Feb 18 03:55:55 anyone know the files that points lock screen to background file? Feb 18 03:56:40 ? Feb 18 03:57:09 when the screen is locked, and you hit the power button, and you get the slide to unlock thing, the background that shows Feb 18 03:57:12 that's what I think he means Feb 18 03:57:37 thats what i mean Feb 18 03:57:57 I'd love to know that too. Feb 18 03:58:02 it's somewhere in the theme files Feb 18 03:58:11 ahh. should be easy to point with strace, or lsof or somesuch Feb 18 03:58:20 don't think it in theme files Feb 18 03:59:12 I think it might be because I have the Marina theme and it's black, while with the default theme it's teh water picture Feb 18 03:59:55 I know where the image is located thats easy I want to know what files tells desktop name of the file Feb 18 04:01:33 "cd /etc; grep -nIre filename"? Feb 18 04:01:54 "cd /etc; grep -nIre filename *" rather Feb 18 04:04:37 "Unable to receive or store new messages. Device storage full". What causes that? I have plenty of free space and partitions are rw. Feb 18 04:05:00 hmm Feb 18 04:05:06 SIM filed? Feb 18 04:05:10 filled Feb 18 04:05:41 oops Feb 18 04:05:51 SIM? hmm. Why would it even store there? Feb 18 04:05:59 depending on the reception mode for SMS it may take enough space to temporarily sore it to SIM Feb 18 04:06:50 well, this is just IMs (jabber) Feb 18 04:07:14 ohh, no idea then Feb 18 04:07:47 know how to check SIM space? Feb 18 04:08:10 there's a few AT commands to do that Feb 18 04:08:27 that'd be handy... Feb 18 04:08:29 dunno of any better way in maemo, tough there probably should be Feb 18 04:09:16 jebba: I had this problem...then I fixed it...can't remotely remember how... Feb 18 04:09:46 ok .. i can crash xchat .. so far so good :P .. good night Feb 18 04:09:54 Nioght. Feb 18 04:10:24 cehteh: lol! night Feb 18 04:12:07 IIRC, the ofono interface has functions to dump the SIM contents; but I don't know of any friendly app that calls it. Would be nice though. Feb 18 04:12:53 some dbus-send no doubt Feb 18 04:13:53 U bet Feb 18 04:13:58 is the lock screen basiclly an application that loads when screen is locked? or it is part of desktop Feb 18 04:14:15 login over ssh Feb 18 04:14:17 lock it Feb 18 04:14:23 htop Feb 18 04:14:27 play with the slider Feb 18 04:15:01 yup Feb 18 04:15:46 does java run at all on the n900. Feb 18 04:15:49 ? Feb 18 04:18:05 no Feb 18 04:18:26 does anyone know if theres a way to share photos via ftp directly to my own server, http://store.ovi.com/content/24015?clickSource=search like that but with out the pixel pipe middle man? Feb 18 04:19:49 is there a gps program for N900 that makes use of google maps? Feb 18 04:21:20 is that a no? Feb 18 04:21:21 havent tried, but maemaps Feb 18 04:21:29 http://www.tomch.com/maemaps.html Feb 18 04:22:26 can I add a reboot button the the menu when I press the power button? Currently there is only "phone" there. Feb 18 04:22:37 Yes Feb 18 04:22:41 yeah, but maemaps is a webpage Feb 18 04:22:49 not an application Feb 18 04:25:08 I add it to systemui.xml? I found a guide, but it puts it in the menu accessed by clicking the notification area. Feb 18 04:27:53 doesnt seem to work anyway Feb 18 04:28:50 would be nice if nokia gave us a little update to ovi map Feb 18 04:28:51 is the 50-times reboot bug still present in PR 1.1.1? Feb 18 04:29:12 what happens after 50 reboots? Feb 18 04:29:36 the device bricks Feb 18 04:29:54 oh? Feb 18 04:30:02 heh Feb 18 04:30:21 -starts counting reboots from memory- Feb 18 04:30:22 lol Feb 18 04:32:09 in the terminal, type that: cat /var/lib/dsme/boot_count Feb 18 04:33:13 33 >_> Feb 18 04:33:38 Wild_Doogy: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350 Feb 18 04:33:39 Bug 6350: getbootstate bricks the device after 17 reboots if there are no normal boots in between them Feb 18 04:33:55 Status: CLOSED Feb 18 04:33:55 Resolution: FIXED Feb 18 04:34:24 oh good Feb 18 04:34:24 hmm still 13 here Feb 18 04:34:58 so if that's closed/fixed thenobviously not by restting the counter Feb 18 04:35:06 how do I find my firmware version? Feb 18 04:35:23 sttings - product info? Feb 18 04:35:30 oh Feb 18 04:37:13 1.2009.44.1.002 Feb 18 04:37:16 should I reset the counter :-D Feb 18 04:37:39 I cant get the latest update till I get a sim card Feb 18 04:37:39 you should update Feb 18 04:37:52 huh? Feb 18 04:38:00 no WLAN? Feb 18 04:39:00 when I try the update, it wants me to do it via the computer, someone said it was becase I had a package conflict Feb 18 04:39:34 sounds strange to me Feb 18 04:39:43 (the windows updater wants a sim card for some reason) Feb 18 04:41:57 ok, I am going to try a backup, sudo apt-get uninstall *, and see if the update works Feb 18 04:42:27 sound like a plan Feb 18 04:42:31 lol, dont need sudo, Ubuntu habits carrying over Feb 18 04:42:56 nah you'll need 'root' Feb 18 04:43:07 or 'sudo gainroot' Feb 18 04:43:29 yup, and its remove not uninstall Feb 18 04:46:47 * Dante_1 Greets the room Feb 18 04:46:50 apt-get remove * ? what for? Feb 18 04:46:55 you want to brick the device? Feb 18 04:46:57 anyway Feb 18 04:47:04 hmmm, Feb 18 04:47:12 using * without quotes does not work, because it expands to the files in the directory Feb 18 04:47:15 command-line usage Feb 18 04:47:33 if you really want it to remove all packages... Which I doubt it would do... try apt-get --purge remove '*' Feb 18 04:47:35 Just a comment. Merging Maemo & Moblin is potentially a great idea. Meego is a really stupid name. Who's responsible??? Feb 18 04:47:37 with single quotes Feb 18 04:47:39 yeah, I noticed that Feb 18 04:47:56 thanks Feb 18 04:48:07 Dante_1: subscribe to the lists at meego.com Feb 18 04:48:18 Dante_1, Intel and Nokia's combined legal teams. Feb 18 04:48:22 Dante_1: and take part of the flamewar that is rolling. ;) Feb 18 04:48:29 Flame on! Feb 18 04:48:30 megooo Feb 18 04:48:39 I need to remove all my aps that i installed, so I can try updating Feb 18 04:49:31 sorry, didn't mean to flame, just as a very happy Maemo user, I think our future should have a more worthy name. Just my opinion Feb 18 04:49:37 -dons asbestos suit - Feb 18 04:50:04 -takes it back off- Feb 18 04:50:05 lol Feb 18 04:50:20 Wild_Doogy: better go through the application manager, that doesn't list base packages to be uninstalled Feb 18 04:50:34 if you do it via apt-get it will try to uninstall base packages too Feb 18 04:50:39 yup Feb 18 04:50:55 had a feeling that would happen Feb 18 04:50:57 ......... Feb 18 04:50:57 that'll really hurt Feb 18 04:51:15 now to uninstall ~30 apps manualy Feb 18 04:51:24 lol Feb 18 04:51:48 any way to only remove the ones in the app manager? Feb 18 04:52:14 use app manager ;-P Feb 18 04:52:21 ugh Feb 18 04:52:26 right-ho Feb 18 04:53:01 a PITA but anyway... Feb 18 04:53:25 and watch the rootfs gain space :-D Feb 18 04:53:47 see: ~optification Feb 18 04:53:55 ~optification Feb 18 04:53:56 hmm... optification is a botch to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space Feb 18 04:54:48 Ciao for now. In my most Earnest opinion, Maemo is the spiritual successor to Newton OS, which from me is high praise indeed. We just need to store more data in databases. Cheers! Feb 18 04:54:51 updates frequently need ~50MB of / Feb 18 04:55:16 Open DB's of course. Feb 18 04:55:19 and for some reason, my N900 wants me to update via the computer Feb 18 04:55:28 and then the updater wants a sim card Feb 18 04:55:36 wild: I had that Feb 18 04:55:38 simple solution Feb 18 04:55:42 there's a conflicting package somewhere Feb 18 04:55:45 fix? Feb 18 04:55:46 in my case it was ioquake Feb 18 04:55:51 * Dante_1 waves good by for now Feb 18 04:55:58 thanks Feb 18 04:55:59 dont have quake Feb 18 04:56:01 ~optification Feb 18 04:56:02 optification is probably a botch to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space Feb 18 04:56:15 ---> io3quake Feb 18 04:56:16 going for a massive uninstall Feb 18 04:56:17 lol Feb 18 04:56:25 what apps Feb 18 04:56:28 maybe I'll recognize one Feb 18 04:57:00 i heard it wasn't ioquake, but the GLES libs that it depends on Feb 18 04:57:02 uh, lots.... really want the list? Feb 18 04:57:05 lol Feb 18 04:57:05 The ioquake3 application prevents firmware upgrading no matter how much free space you have on your device. Uninstall it prior to upgrading then reinstall once the upgrade is complete. Feb 18 04:57:32 oh, booger flacking, I have like 40 Feb 18 04:57:38 this is going to take forever Feb 18 04:57:40 so you might have those for some other reason Feb 18 04:57:43 lol Feb 18 04:58:05 goodbye aircrack-ng Feb 18 04:58:18 :'-( Feb 18 04:58:21 buggy shit Feb 18 04:58:36 purged aircrack yesterday Feb 18 04:59:38 check out python optification Feb 18 04:59:45 it's a HOOOG Feb 18 04:59:58 airodump is the best way I have found for searching for wirless signals. dont give you as much info Feb 18 04:59:59 lol Feb 18 05:00:17 Python? -want- Feb 18 05:00:34 "oh wait, I am uninstalling everything...." Feb 18 05:00:48 with 40 apps? I bet you already got Feb 18 05:01:14 and it's eating some x tens of MC from your root Feb 18 05:01:21 MB even Feb 18 05:01:50 its more like 60..... Feb 18 05:02:03 and I still had 255 on root fs Feb 18 05:02:06 25% Feb 18 05:02:17 you're studying the free_up_rootfs wikipage right this moment, are you?? Feb 18 05:02:59 no I am uninstalling everythinglol Feb 18 05:05:05 uninstall apt, to start with a funny part! :-P Feb 18 05:05:48 ooh wait, unsinstall busybox first Feb 18 05:05:52 uh, how about not? Feb 18 05:05:55 :-P Feb 18 05:06:28 there has to be a better way......... Feb 18 05:06:35 Wild_Doogy: NO don't do that!!! Feb 18 05:06:47 just kidding Feb 18 05:06:47 this thing reloads the database between each uninstall Feb 18 05:06:58 yup Feb 18 05:07:04 I do have some linux sence Feb 18 05:07:08 told ya it's a PITA Feb 18 05:07:24 I knew it was going to be a PITA Feb 18 05:07:48 all my aps are < 100k too Feb 18 05:08:01 nah, that's just a lie Feb 18 05:08:14 check out liqtorch e.g Feb 18 05:08:20 its like shooting ants with a breach loading cannon Feb 18 05:08:20 *most Feb 18 05:08:38 it has deps on libliq which is some MB Feb 18 05:08:41 liqtorch? Feb 18 05:09:08 yay, I think its getting faster Feb 18 05:11:07 hmmmm Feb 18 05:11:10 I should apply my first backup.... Feb 18 05:11:11 * DocScrutinizer wonders when first app with dependencies to libboost will appear XP Feb 18 05:11:21 that will uninstall yes? Feb 18 05:11:35 don't think so Feb 18 05:11:41 dang Feb 18 05:12:44 anyone know if you can use Delmore basemap data in maemomapper? Feb 18 05:18:07 any Open office app on the horizon? Feb 18 05:23:53 probably really hard to hildonize OOO Feb 18 05:25:05 maybe first port KDE for desktop? then OOo is a lot easier :-D Feb 18 05:25:34 my n900 is nice and toasty Feb 18 05:26:11 toasty o.O Feb 18 05:26:44 for me please a rare-medium one Feb 18 05:26:58 probably ~110 (F) Feb 18 05:27:23 ~convert 110F Feb 18 05:27:36 working on it Feb 18 05:27:43 43 C Feb 18 05:28:03 yeah infobot resigned Feb 18 05:28:34 oh, there is bot for that? Feb 18 05:28:40 sweet Feb 18 05:28:41 (well was) Feb 18 05:30:26 woah, thats one hefty ai. (Pming infobot) Feb 18 05:32:29 damn Feb 18 05:32:35 [2010-02-18 06:30:50] *** Adresse des Kanals: http://maemo.org Feb 18 05:32:36 [2010-02-18 06:31:45] *** Kanalmodi: +cnt Feb 18 05:32:56 watch the timestamp! freenode is laggy Feb 18 05:36:43 ~where is england? Feb 18 05:36:44 somebody said england was Harry-Potter-Land Feb 18 05:37:01 lol Feb 18 05:41:22 Wild_Doogy: you told you got 2009-44 ? Feb 18 05:41:44 yes Feb 18 05:41:51 ok, forget it Feb 18 05:42:00 ....? Feb 18 05:42:00 you missed Pr1.1 Feb 18 05:42:04 lol Feb 18 05:42:11 haha Feb 18 05:42:12 http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting Feb 18 05:42:18 apply accordingly Feb 18 05:42:32 I just finished uninstalling all my apps Feb 18 05:42:45 If you're in the first case, there's nothing to do but to reflash, sorry :-(. You've missed the intermediate step towards PR1.1 from PR1.0 and your device won't be able to guarantee you a proper OTA update without the needed preconditions fulfilled. Feb 18 05:43:38 same will hold true for Pr1.1->Pr1.1.1 most likely Feb 18 05:43:59 sould I not try to install the latest maemo update then? Feb 18 05:44:11 3.2010 Feb 18 05:44:25 I.E you can't update OTA Pr1.0.1->Pr1.1.1 Feb 18 05:44:38 you can try Feb 18 05:44:52 its downloading .... I think Feb 18 05:44:55 but you'll get same msg from that attempt Feb 18 05:45:54 so *if* that'll pan out, you should add a notice to wikipage Feb 18 05:47:41 morning Feb 18 05:47:54 well, it got farther than last time, it seems as though its having trouble downloading though Feb 18 05:47:57 morning Feb 18 05:48:07 Yikes? its morning? Feb 18 05:48:10 lol Feb 18 05:48:13 time for bed Feb 18 05:48:37 in irc its always morning Feb 18 05:48:38 yay, I see a sliver on the download bar Feb 18 05:48:46 yeah Feb 18 05:49:07 but here its only morning for a few coffee infested hours Feb 18 05:50:22 ~ugt Feb 18 05:50:23 it has been said that ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Feb 18 05:50:25 =) Feb 18 05:51:20 morning Feb 18 05:51:35 :-D Feb 18 05:51:55 I am having a blast talking with Infobot Feb 18 05:51:57 hahaha Feb 18 05:52:07 Amazing piece of software Feb 18 05:53:08 yeah Feb 18 05:53:45 low battery N900s make such a sad, pathetic sound :/ Feb 18 05:53:48 * microlith plugs it in Feb 18 05:57:43 see, it worked ;) Feb 18 05:57:56 haha Feb 18 05:58:08 sadly it makes the soiund so often Feb 18 05:59:00 >_> Feb 18 06:02:27 Wild_Doogy: I just remember I noticed a short "operation failed" notice when updating. Was too short to start me ranting :-P Feb 18 06:03:21 after several minutes and reboots it finaly told me "update successful" Feb 18 06:03:33 AUITOreboots Feb 18 06:05:21 well its 50% through the DL Feb 18 06:05:30 (Slow DLS in Vermont) Feb 18 06:05:33 ~Vermont Feb 18 06:05:35 hmm... vermont is in the northeast of the USA, near Canada Feb 18 06:05:52 DSL* Feb 18 06:06:27 "near canada" i like that modifier lol Feb 18 06:06:33 haha Feb 18 06:09:00 ~Canada Feb 18 06:09:01 somebody said canada was The 2nd largest land mass, the 1st nation of Hockey and the best part of North America! Feb 18 06:09:25 haha Feb 18 06:10:36 lol: Feb 18 06:10:39 ~USA Feb 18 06:10:40 usa is probably a place where the meaning of life is to sue people -- and win. Feb 18 06:10:53 (not mine) Feb 18 06:12:10 ~n900 Feb 18 06:12:11 n900 is, like, a wooden box with stained cans inside Feb 18 06:12:13 ~nokia Feb 18 06:12:14 [nokia] a cellphone company from Finland. Feb 18 06:12:21 ~infobot Feb 18 06:12:22 i guess infobot is The coolest Feb 18 06:12:52 you're aware you also can open a private /query to infobot? Feb 18 06:13:08 are you teaching him bad habits? Feb 18 06:13:17 lol Feb 18 06:14:31 hi, guys any of you in the us ported your numbers from att to t-mobile and know how long it took? Feb 18 06:16:16 * RST38h finds another inconvinience of this meego thing: now have to monitor two irc channels and two websites Feb 18 06:17:37 that's been my major objective from minute 1 ;-P Feb 18 06:18:33 and it has even more serious implications, as devels may tend to jump on meego and ignore maemo Feb 18 06:19:57 There is no meego yet Feb 18 06:20:07 When there is meego I will see :) Feb 18 06:20:56 and until some nokia lizard promises either meego on N900 or meego apps on maemo, I feel quite unhappy with the situation Feb 18 06:22:24 Not the first time though Feb 18 06:22:30 Hey, my N900 seems to be updating Feb 18 06:22:44 finally! hey :-D Feb 18 06:22:54 ~15% done Feb 18 06:23:11 get anoher cup of coffe then :-) Feb 18 06:23:21 and a baseball bat. Feb 18 06:23:22 I hate coffee >_< Feb 18 06:23:25 lol Feb 18 06:23:30 hehehehehe Feb 18 06:23:30 and baseball Feb 18 06:24:18 You don't have to love baseball to have an appreciation for the use of the bat. Feb 18 06:24:32 Much like you don't need to like snooker to fight zombies. Feb 18 06:24:32 thought that's called lart (Lusers' Attitude Recalibration Tool) Feb 18 06:24:42 I have brothers for that <_< Feb 18 06:25:33 hey, any way of making bigger buttons in Qt4? currently if I make a large button, it will look aweful because it repeats the 'texture' Feb 18 06:25:52 Larger texture? Feb 18 06:26:55 yes but that's defined in theme Feb 18 06:29:04 looks nice on my pc but on phone the button seems to be repeating the pattern (it's a default button look for both machines) Feb 18 06:30:47 hmmm Feb 18 06:32:55 99% on the update Feb 18 06:34:35 meanwhile you could even get acustomed to coffee Feb 18 06:35:15 yes Feb 18 06:35:18 coffee is good for you Feb 18 06:36:25 reboot compete Feb 18 06:36:44 my screenshot location is missing :( Feb 18 06:36:48 can't find it from cli Feb 18 06:37:11 lol I like that message: "operating system successfully updated " Feb 18 06:37:50 yeah it will probably tell you: "updating operating system failed, buy a new phone" when it fails Feb 18 06:39:10 hahaha Feb 18 06:39:13 yeah Feb 18 06:39:33 I wish the latest conky was availible Feb 18 06:39:40 its the best ever Feb 18 06:39:52 ~conky Feb 18 06:40:51 http://u.meelo.org/Screenshot-20100218-083200.png those buttons which I have there are actually one component Feb 18 06:41:03 I can't figure out how to make them look like one as well Feb 18 06:41:59 oh, ouch Feb 18 06:42:18 hmmmm Feb 18 06:42:22 big buttons are crucial part of the app.. Feb 18 06:42:35 but now I seem to be limited to the size of maemo5's qt theme's texture Feb 18 06:42:38 I remember large buttons in GPS Jinny Feb 18 06:43:00 might have a look at thier source Feb 18 06:43:01 You've messed up the stylesheet somehow, is my guess. Feb 18 06:43:30 Because if you use the UI Designer of Qt Creator, the buttons will scale correctly on Maemo. Feb 18 06:46:14 anyone tried Navit on N900? Feb 18 06:47:29 Well, I am off to bed, its late Feb 18 06:47:36 ~UGT Feb 18 06:47:37 ugt is probably Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Feb 18 06:47:50 MiXu- using default stylesheet Feb 18 06:49:50 ~shutup Feb 18 06:49:51 yes master, I'll STFU Feb 18 06:52:56 Milo-: Hmm. That's odd. Feb 18 06:53:51 MiXu- had to set my own background-color or gradient Feb 18 06:53:54 works now :) Feb 18 06:54:11 alright Feb 18 06:54:21 ~obey Feb 18 06:54:22 yes master Feb 18 06:54:35 There's also #qt-maemo if you're interested. Feb 18 06:54:53 when hildon -> qt, sure I'll go there Feb 18 07:28:21 for python development on the maemo is there a documentation somewhere (I prefer to use pyQt4) Feb 18 08:08:35 ~hello Feb 18 08:08:36 Howdy Bub Feb 18 08:08:40 ~ping Feb 18 08:08:41 ~pong Feb 18 08:10:01 sad... just... sad ;) Feb 18 08:10:07 * jaem waves at tybollt Feb 18 08:10:13 what is? Feb 18 08:10:34 crashanddie_, I was commenting on the fact that the channel was dead enough for people to be talking to the bot Feb 18 08:10:37 heh Feb 18 08:10:43 hehe Feb 18 08:10:50 ~but we like talking to the bot Feb 18 08:11:03 :( doesn't even reply to me Feb 18 08:11:05 ~idiot Feb 18 08:11:06 well, idiot is you Feb 18 08:11:14 ~shut up Feb 18 08:11:15 yes, master crashanddie_ Feb 18 08:11:21 ~thanks Feb 18 08:11:22 crashanddie_: gern geschehen Feb 18 08:11:36 ~don't say that Feb 18 08:11:47 ~bot? Feb 18 08:11:47 ~troll Feb 18 08:11:48 I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). Feb 18 08:11:48 [troll] a race on some muds; a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/troll.html Feb 18 08:12:19 heh Feb 18 08:12:22 ~cool Feb 18 08:12:23 employees of trolltech Feb 18 08:12:23 cool is, like, there, there, everything is going to fix out Feb 18 08:12:27 poor bastards :) Feb 18 08:12:31 haha Feb 18 08:12:32 hello all Feb 18 08:12:37 the troll entry is pretty comprehensive Feb 18 08:12:37 tybollt: they're actually called QT Trolls Feb 18 08:12:43 heh :) Feb 18 08:12:56 crashanddie_, Qt, not QT - QT is different, and full of fail ;) Feb 18 08:13:07 meh same thing Feb 18 08:13:18 crashanddie_, QuickTime != Qt Feb 18 08:13:35 but yes, agreed, capitalisation is the difference between "I helped my uncle Jack off a horse" and "I helped my uncle jack off a horse" Feb 18 08:13:47 very true Feb 18 08:13:51 did you make that mistake? Feb 18 08:14:09 nope, I made the mistake to think the letters t and g are far away on the keyboard Feb 18 08:14:21 also, that precise example may not be wrong, depending on context - but let's not go there Feb 18 08:14:24 ah Feb 18 08:14:35 very painful, when you're just wrapping up a motivational email to your team, and you end with "Thanks, regards!" Feb 18 08:14:43 at least, that's what I was aiming for... Feb 18 08:14:51 bwahahaha Feb 18 08:14:53 did you do that? Feb 18 08:14:54 uhm Feb 18 08:15:07 I think the problem is when you're sending a motivation email at all Feb 18 08:15:19 jaem: more than you'd think Feb 18 08:15:39 Shouldn't a manager be sending mails of the "GET TO WORK, YOU LOUSY PIECE OF STINKY POO" or something? :) Feb 18 08:15:47 kind* Feb 18 08:16:01 tybollt, if you work for Despair, Inc., maybe Feb 18 08:16:01 tybollt: well, I like my people Feb 18 08:16:13 tybollt: and I only have a couple, so it wouldn't make a lot of sense to shout at them Feb 18 08:16:15 or someone who subscribes to their philosophy Feb 18 08:16:48 :) Feb 18 08:17:18 MWKN interface is shaping up very, very nicely! Feb 18 08:17:34 pumping in quite a lot of jquery goodness in it Feb 18 08:17:48 Hi, all! I'm trying to build deb package of my qt-project and have some troubles with this. Feb 18 08:18:03 anyway, going to grab a pizza, talk later Feb 18 08:18:15 damit :( Feb 18 08:18:29 it's just afte nine in the am and you induce pizza cravings Feb 18 08:18:43 this will be a painfull lead up to lunch :-S Feb 18 08:18:49 tybollt: it's just after 6PM here :P Feb 18 08:18:53 ;) Feb 18 08:24:27 is there an easy way to make /home bigger? Feb 18 08:25:31 milos_, add an extra room? Feb 18 08:25:36 oh, you mean the partition Feb 18 08:25:36 yes Feb 18 08:25:37 heh Feb 18 08:25:41 ;) Feb 18 08:25:42 partition Feb 18 08:25:49 <|R> :P Feb 18 08:26:11 <|R> there is a repartitionning guide somewhere in the wiki or forum Feb 18 08:26:12 well, yes, there are partitioning guides on the forum/wiki/Internets, but I think they're mostly of the "not for the faint of heart" people Feb 18 08:26:20 I haven't looked into it myself, but it's certainly doable Feb 18 08:28:30 ok. one more question, can applications be installed to mc? Feb 18 08:28:47 milos_, mc==memory card? Feb 18 08:28:50 yes Feb 18 08:29:04 well, by default most stuff is installed to /opt, which is symlinked into /home Feb 18 08:29:08 so yes in that sense Feb 18 08:29:48 and opt is in memory card Feb 18 08:30:07 milos_, the internal card Feb 18 08:30:10 sorry, my mistake Feb 18 08:30:16 ahem Feb 18 08:30:26 if you mean the microSD, then, yes, you could move and re-symlink things to there, I guess Feb 18 08:30:33 ok Feb 18 08:30:39 I'm not sure if there's anything you'd need to do aside from move it Feb 18 08:30:41 I doubt it Feb 18 08:30:55 although I'd ask around before trying that, just so you don't trash things Feb 18 08:36:23 jaem: I wouldn't do that... Feb 18 08:36:40 The external SD card is likely to be FAT formated Feb 18 08:36:45 flipouk, I wasn't saying it was a good idea - I just said it was possible Feb 18 08:36:52 and yes, I should have mentioned that you'd need to reformat it Feb 18 08:36:53 my bad Feb 18 08:37:18 yeah, I know that :) Feb 18 08:37:34 ok Feb 18 08:53:16 Stskeeps: ? Feb 18 08:53:20 timeless_mbp: ? Feb 18 08:53:24 the guys running l10n are idiots Feb 18 08:53:36 which one of them? :P Feb 18 08:53:56 should i not answer that to protect the guilty? Feb 18 08:54:27 please see /query Feb 18 08:54:36 nonono Timless Feb 18 08:54:39 timeless Feb 18 08:54:50 we want to be in on this - don't cut us out of the loop =) Feb 18 08:55:42 tybollt: welcome aboard. ship is sailing in 1min Feb 18 08:56:31 * jaem blows the steam whistle Feb 18 09:09:15 Morning, all Feb 18 09:11:21 if I'm doing a trunk build of Qt (e.g. >4.6.2), is there any sane way to install it alongside the one from Extras-devel? Feb 18 09:11:31 I'm just going to untar it somewheres for the moment, if I can Feb 18 09:15:38 what do i google for if i want my n900 to serve as hotspot? Feb 18 09:15:53 El_Angelo, "N900 hotspot"? Feb 18 09:16:14 no, but seriously, I don't know off-hand the links, but I think there's something on the maemo.org wiki Feb 18 09:16:55 El_Angelo: joikuspot? Feb 18 09:17:13 joikuspot works Feb 18 09:24:25 Hello all. Is there anybody, who can help me with setting MfE on N900 with Exchange 2007 (non-provisioning i have set) Feb 18 09:27:50 I have our certificate installed in certification manager, but when i try to synchronize, i got error "Error comunication with Exchange" Feb 18 09:30:54 no jmoikuspo in repo Feb 18 09:30:58 aaahaha from tmo: qgil "Excuse me guys: what are you talking about?" It's another fun day of FUD at tmo :D Feb 18 09:31:25 mece, I don't even *want* to know, do I? Feb 18 09:31:28 lol Feb 18 09:32:17 morning Feb 18 09:33:22 jaem, just regular fud, nothing special. Albeit some have been particularly ludicrous this morning. Feb 18 09:33:47 jaem, for example http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=533873 Feb 18 09:33:49 mece, worse than the "Nokia should recall and incoherent blather free stuff blather blather" post? Feb 18 09:34:06 jaem, that's the one I meant Feb 18 09:34:09 that one was ludicrous almost to the point of being surreal Feb 18 09:34:22 it was actually almost worth my time reading a few posts of Feb 18 09:34:23 almost Feb 18 09:34:40 I still have no idea what the OP was trying to say Feb 18 09:36:41 jaem, As I said in my post, it was like fark.com. Feb 18 09:37:28 Anyway, here's a pretty good post about the meego thing by Jim Zemlin of the linux foundation: http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/158-jim-zemlin/286723-bringing-the-magic-to-linux-with-meego- Feb 18 09:47:40 I'm up for some free (paid by employer) Maemo+Qt training, anyone know how well that will translate to MeeGo? Feb 18 09:48:17 quite Feb 18 09:50:31 Shrik3, it will. :) Feb 18 09:50:40 awesome Feb 18 09:51:10 mornin maemo \o Feb 18 09:51:11 Shrik3, That's the whole point of Qt, isn't it. Feb 18 09:51:16 lcuk, 'sup? Feb 18 09:51:27 just waving :D Feb 18 09:51:42 mece: with nokia, one never knows =) Feb 18 09:51:59 mornin lcuk o/ Feb 18 09:52:24 btw Feb 18 09:52:31 moo lcuk Feb 18 09:52:37 are there any specilations as to what 1.2 will contain? Feb 18 09:52:39 yo lcuk Feb 18 09:52:48 speculation Feb 18 09:52:51 tybollt, haven't seen any. Feb 18 09:52:55 tybollt: was that a rhetorical question? Feb 18 09:53:04 RST38h: meh Feb 18 09:53:37 OMG PR1.1.1 seemingly killed load-applet, for good Feb 18 09:55:12 hey crashanddie_ have you unblocked matthew- yet? Feb 18 09:56:20 !maemo Feb 18 09:56:26 yay! I just made sbox dump core Feb 18 09:56:28 woohoo! Feb 18 09:56:41 that would be my cue to get some sleep Feb 18 09:56:44 'night, #maemo Feb 18 09:57:03 morning Feb 18 09:57:17 mourning thresh Feb 18 09:57:40 RST38h, what? thresh isn't dead yet Feb 18 09:57:57 ...presumably Feb 18 09:58:04 i think so too Feb 18 09:58:17 thresh, what do you know? you're dead! :) Feb 18 09:59:29 jaem <-- taking things a bit too literally =) Feb 18 09:59:46 RST38h, who? me?! Feb 18 09:59:48 -grin- Feb 18 09:59:51 *yawn* Feb 18 10:00:03 lcuk: think so, did it as I was talking to him Feb 18 10:00:13 lcuk: so yeah, did it this morning Feb 18 10:01:12 just give the kid a good spank on the bottom and let him off ;) Feb 18 10:02:12 tybollt, wouldv been easier to just allow him to say his peace Feb 18 10:04:11 lcuk: the guy's not a troll, he just needs to learn how to talk to people and how to expose his points Feb 18 10:04:18 he has valid points, he just exposes them as bloody flamebait Feb 18 10:05:13 and you pasting one side of a conversation whilst he is banned is not flamebait? Feb 18 10:05:34 erhm, no, considering the rest of the conversation wasn't relevant Feb 18 10:05:50 * asj_ waves Feb 18 10:06:02 though I'm pretty sure you've got a pastebin with the full conversation ready anyway Feb 18 10:08:38 lcuk: did he at least give you the full convo afterwards? Feb 18 10:09:27 no seb, he was banned - how could he talk to any of us, we only heard your pasting it Feb 18 10:09:54 lcuk: oh feck off, someone was telling him everything that was happening in the channel Feb 18 10:10:03 Is the device lock code store somewhere readable? I was thinking about using it as a passphrase for some encrypted partitions.. so even a one-way hash of it would be useful Feb 18 10:10:12 s/store/stored/ Feb 18 10:10:12 pajp meant: Is the device lock code stored somewhere readable? I was thinking about using it as a passphrase for some encrypted partitions.. so even a one-way hash of it would be useful Feb 18 10:11:10 crashanddie, 580 people here Feb 18 10:13:04 hey. anyone seem any app for a camera timer? Feb 18 10:20:18 morning Feb 18 10:20:23 morn lardman Feb 18 10:20:40 uhm Feb 18 10:20:47 is fm radio not built in Feb 18 10:20:53 hi Stskeeps Feb 18 10:20:58 * tybollt cringes Feb 18 10:21:34 whoa, This is depressing: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44928 Feb 18 10:21:46 * w00t clicks Feb 18 10:21:51 "SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras" Feb 18 10:23:11 you know that was bound to happen sooner or later mece Feb 18 10:23:22 you can't really be surprised... Feb 18 10:23:37 need a time lag as well as votes Feb 18 10:23:47 tybollt, naturally, but seeing as this was two of the first commercial games, it's very depressing. Feb 18 10:23:58 lardman, it didn't get to extras, no worries. Feb 18 10:23:59 and possibly a "this is about to be promoted", last chance to check Feb 18 10:24:10 mece: -testing then? Feb 18 10:24:17 lardman, isn't it? Feb 18 10:24:28 mece: oh comercial, hmm yeah that makes it a bit worse, you've a point there. Feb 18 10:24:48 Pffffft, n900 does not see the update. _again_ Feb 18 10:24:54 did not see it for last one, i had to reflash. Feb 18 10:25:05 tybollt, I saw that this was a person not familiar with open source community, and many people tried to help him out. Feb 18 10:25:07 never had this problem with the n810. Feb 18 10:25:46 tybollt, he came off as a bit of a douche. He sent me some private messages asking how to submit stuff to extras, so I pointed him in the right direction. Feb 18 10:26:21 the thing that sucks is that this is a lose lose situation. We want the games, he want's to sell the games. Feb 18 10:26:47 but now he gets busted for this, and I'm guessing we wont see him around anymore. Feb 18 10:27:04 what kind of game is it? Feb 18 10:27:36 mece: or he apologizes, gets pulled from extras, things get fixed, things get QA'ed, corrected Feb 18 10:27:54 Stskeeps++ Feb 18 10:27:59 and a valuable lesson is learnt on both sides. Feb 18 10:29:29 * tybollt think stskeeps has a future career as mediator >:) Feb 18 10:30:09 Stskeeps, I really really hope so. Feb 18 10:30:56 Stskeeps, which lesson is learned on the maemo side btw? Feb 18 10:31:50 mece: we need procedures for this stuff and QA isn't for fun, it is about quality of our extras Feb 18 10:31:59 so we need to watch what we let in and what is allowed in policy Feb 18 10:32:15 Stskeeps, well we have that, and do that afaict Feb 18 10:32:16 Anyone against pulling everything from SIO2interactive? Feb 18 10:32:25 And banning them from Extras? Feb 18 10:32:53 X-Fade: i think pulling from extras is a better choice, fix bug, let guy apologize immensely and get it through -real- QA. Feb 18 10:32:53 hang on Feb 18 10:32:54 X-Fade, I'm not against it. Some communication would be nice though. Feb 18 10:32:58 can 1 person login Feb 18 10:33:01 even though this is low on their behalf Feb 18 10:33:05 to all those accounts with 1 second between Feb 18 10:33:18 Stskeeps: Registering 10 accounts to vote up is clearly mean spirited. Feb 18 10:33:19 or is this team members being supportive of their app Feb 18 10:33:19 X-Fade, I agree with Stskeeps. Feb 18 10:33:28 X-Fade: yes, of course Feb 18 10:33:29 Agree with Stskeeps too Feb 18 10:33:31 anyone a PHP expert? Feb 18 10:33:56 if theres a qa problem agreed Feb 18 10:34:03 WZhang, I've done some php work. Expert I am at nothing. Shoot Feb 18 10:34:04 X-Fade: otoh this is first time we really experience it Feb 18 10:34:09 but thats just like us voting up n900 in polls Feb 18 10:34:25 lcuk, polls are not the same tohugh Feb 18 10:34:29 X-Fade: don't _just_ pull and ban, do it temporarily and then let them know they can come back when they kneel and kiss your feet, basically. Feb 18 10:34:32 Stskeeps: Yes, it is the reason why I made the voters list public in the first place. Feb 18 10:34:36 s/tohugh/though Feb 18 10:34:41 tybollt, agreed Feb 18 10:34:48 it doesnt look suspicious to me, purely cos no1 has ever managed to do anything that quick in the system Feb 18 10:35:00 hello ! could someone just guess why I always have "tahiti" wrotten in my msn status (géolocalized status) Feb 18 10:35:02 Stskeeps, try it Feb 18 10:35:07 logout and in Feb 18 10:35:07 I was wondering when I saw that post Feb 18 10:35:13 rom1dep, you're in tahitit? Feb 18 10:35:13 Check this: http://pastebin.com/d7a73375f Feb 18 10:35:17 tahiti* Feb 18 10:35:18 lcuk: open 10 browser windows? ;-) Feb 18 10:35:22 mece: any idea if it is possible to speed this script up: http://paste2.org/p/675500 ? it takes sometimes over 2minutes to find a single file... Feb 18 10:35:31 frals, with 10 different cookies Feb 18 10:35:49 jaem_away: not really, am in Lyon, france Feb 18 10:35:54 X-Fade: we believe you... Feb 18 10:35:55 private modethingy in ie/ff should work like that? Feb 18 10:35:57 X-Fade: you (and jeremiah) are in charge of repositories, i agree it's clear abuse Feb 18 10:36:04 X-Fade, Stskeeps, who is behind this "SIO2Interactive", anyhow? Feb 18 10:36:26 is it an actual company, or just a personal thing with a brand? Feb 18 10:36:34 banning is a tad harsh imo, but it should be pulled as it circumvented the QA process Feb 18 10:36:37 It is an actual company. Feb 18 10:36:44 + xterm + ssh + irssi in a screen session... Feb 18 10:36:52 I revoked their access to Extras and will send a mail. Feb 18 10:37:01 Will pull all packages from extras. Feb 18 10:37:03 X-Fade: but we all benefit from being level headed when things get rough... Feb 18 10:37:11 X-Fade, it might not hurt to post something vague publicly, as well Feb 18 10:37:18 tybollt: Yes, I helped them uploadin to Extras. Feb 18 10:37:21 X-Fade: do you mean -devel/-testing as well, btw? Feb 18 10:37:23 tybollt: I'm not against that. Feb 18 10:37:30 I wouldn't recommend denouncing them personally on the news page, but making a point would be good Feb 18 10:37:35 mece: usage is dir.php?input - a normal search parameter like "test" works fine, and fast - but a complete search like this.is.a.test-TEST takes forever, sometimes it never completes and the script times out, webserver is IIS 7 on Server 2008 with PHP5 Feb 18 10:37:37 otherwise others will just do the same thing Feb 18 10:37:45 "shaming" the company will suck Feb 18 10:37:48 Stskeeps: Testing yes, devel I'm not sure. Feb 18 10:37:51 X-Fade: Good stuff... Feb 18 10:37:57 X-Fade: alright Feb 18 10:37:57 no idea for tahiti ? ^^ Feb 18 10:38:08 rom1dep, what does it say when you're in Tahiti? Feb 18 10:38:16 villemv: i think they've given themselves a huge amount of bad publicity right now anyway :) Feb 18 10:38:24 rom1dep, sorry... I should just shut up :P Feb 18 10:38:27 WZhang, sounds more like a regex problem then php problem actually.. Feb 18 10:38:31 Stskeeps, how big did the thread get? Feb 18 10:38:33 i saw it this morning Feb 18 10:38:42 jaem_away: 20 posts or so Feb 18 10:38:47 ah Feb 18 10:38:47 jaem_away: gaaah I keep reading your nick as "janeway" ... :-D Feb 18 10:38:53 mece: well i believe its a PHP Speed problem, as the Directory contains already over 16000 Files Feb 18 10:39:14 yeah Stskeeps, but turning the flameage up a notch doesn't make the target community appear any more appealing... Feb 18 10:39:28 jaem_away: i hope it says right, for once... but i won't be able to test soon ^^ Feb 18 10:39:34 WZhang, hmm.. but that wouldn't "text" working fine Feb 18 10:39:34 possibly they just thought this was a handy "trick" Feb 18 10:39:41 Fwiw, their games had 2700 downloads yesterday. Feb 18 10:39:42 possibly by individual developer Feb 18 10:39:50 WZhang, "test" I mean Feb 18 10:39:54 True Feb 18 10:39:55 villemv, good point Feb 18 10:40:05 Search in files works faster than complete name - very strange Feb 18 10:40:13 we should take this as a sign of emerging commercial success ;-) Feb 18 10:40:25 I still think something should be officially stated, but that the company shouldn't be shamed directly Feb 18 10:40:41 even if it's "alluded" to Feb 18 10:40:42 when we have viagra desktop widgets appearing randomly, we'll know we've made it Feb 18 10:41:17 WZhang, wait, this quites if it finds 5 hits. I guess it doesn't on the other search option, hence it searches all files instead. Feb 18 10:41:19 villemv, someone just needs to code a widget that pulls from your spam box! Feb 18 10:41:32 ...shouldn't be too hard Feb 18 10:41:48 hmm. Feb 18 10:42:03 lol villemv Feb 18 10:42:04 i try it out on a Linux Server later, maybe its a General IIS Problem Feb 18 10:42:07 there is written "repérage approximatif" --) "approximative localization" Feb 18 10:42:37 WZhang, does the dir contain a file containing the string "this.is.a.test-TEST" ? Feb 18 10:42:53 not for now, but i can create it :P Feb 18 10:44:02 Was just an example for a search Feb 18 10:44:03 WZhang, perhaps there is 5 files starting with "test", and that's why the script succeeds. Feb 18 10:44:06 maybe Feb 18 10:44:24 crashanddie, how is aus Feb 18 10:44:35 ok Feb 18 10:44:41 i Think its the amount of files, i try it on linux with lighty now, maybe that improves the performance Feb 18 10:44:45 better than london is some aspects, worse in others Feb 18 10:44:58 won't be living here past the time they need me Feb 18 10:45:03 WZhang, I suppose. filehandling in php is perhaps not the most efficient. Feb 18 10:45:15 still in hotel or have you gotten a house Feb 18 10:45:26 still in hotel Feb 18 10:45:40 been in a hotel for 5 months straight now Feb 18 10:45:44 ugh Feb 18 10:45:46 well, hotels, not always the same one Feb 18 10:45:57 poor sod, how do you manage? Feb 18 10:46:00 must be hell Feb 18 10:46:00 except for roughly 4 weeks in december/january Feb 18 10:46:05 mece: i could do it in C# instead, and let it listen on another port than the webserver, a better idea? Feb 18 10:46:19 tybollt: you manage by not having any costs, and making shitloads of money :) Feb 18 10:46:21 I did that summer 2008... it was the worst summer of my life... I was never so bored... Feb 18 10:46:48 WZhang, it says here: http://php.net/manual/en/function.readdir.php that you're doing it wrong. Feb 18 10:46:50 humm where can i raise a bug against this ? Feb 18 10:47:06 WZhang, look for /* This is the WRONG way to loop over the directory. */ Feb 18 10:47:24 rom1dep: against what? Feb 18 10:47:27 hmmm Feb 18 10:47:40 Interesting Feb 18 10:48:15 WZhang, replace ($file = readdir($dir)) with (false !== ($file = readdir($dir))) Feb 18 10:48:42 crashanddie: /lastlog rom1dep ... i'm said to be lovalized in thaiti while it's not rally the case Feb 18 10:48:50 hmm, I checked TMO yesterday, already there are >250 new posts Feb 18 10:48:58 WZhang, currently, the program ONLY exits if it gets 5 hits. otherwise it's an infinite loop. Feb 18 10:49:04 localised* damn small kbd Feb 18 10:49:30 rom1dep: I think it's a known bug Feb 18 10:49:37 lol, that explains the Server load Feb 18 10:49:41 rom1dep: bugs.maemo.org Feb 18 10:49:47 WZhang, yep.. Feb 18 10:50:05 WZhang: also ##php Feb 18 10:50:11 crashanddie: ok, i'll do some search before of course, thanks Feb 18 10:50:12 WZhang: unless you're running the website off your NIT Feb 18 10:50:17 rom1dep: pas de soucis Feb 18 10:50:23 crashanddie Feb 18 10:50:28 soon from my N800 :P Feb 18 10:50:35 LOL Feb 18 10:50:50 will make it burn at 10 Hits at same time lol Feb 18 10:51:03 not really, lighttpd in the time handled it pretty well Feb 18 10:51:05 crashanddie, when someone only types your name like that, it looks like an insult. Feb 18 10:51:12 as long as disk access wasn't a priority Feb 18 10:51:19 mece: story of my life Feb 18 10:51:24 crashanddie: yeahh, you speak a better french than i speak en ^^ Feb 18 10:51:28 i would use nginx, not lighty - seems a better choice Feb 18 10:51:35 it is indeed Feb 18 10:51:38 rom1dep: en meme temps j'ai vecu 10 ans en france donc bon, ca aide ;) Feb 18 10:52:27 crap, it makes you feel old when you say "Yeah, I've spent ten years there" Feb 18 10:52:43 crashanddie: ah ouais.. ça peut aider :) bonne journée alors ;) ! Feb 18 10:52:54 rom1dep: nuit pour moi, j'suis en australie Feb 18 10:52:56 bye Feb 18 10:54:21 crashanddie: australia is a dreaming country for me, on my "todo before 30 years old" list ^^ so, good night ! Feb 18 10:55:10 crashanddie: the hot weather getting to you, English man, English! ;) Feb 18 10:55:14 night night Feb 18 10:55:37 lardman: I haven't had to go to work for the past 3 days because our office is flooded Feb 18 10:55:42 oh right Feb 18 10:55:54 storm? Feb 18 10:57:55 yeah Feb 18 10:58:02 well, like 3x 2 hours of rain Feb 18 10:58:04 and that was that Feb 18 10:58:16 ah the wonders of sub-tropica rain :) Feb 18 10:58:47 we've just got sub-tropical sleet here Feb 18 10:58:51 ;) Feb 18 10:58:59 anyone knows when video conversations will be available? whether it's on the calls, or video chats on IMs? Feb 18 11:00:29 has anyone been able to access extras-devel for days? Feb 18 11:00:38 i am Feb 18 11:00:39 right now Feb 18 11:00:53 geneven, has been working just fine for me. Feb 18 11:01:26 really, thanks, i,ll reexamine my settings Feb 18 11:01:33 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8521598.stm Feb 18 11:01:47 * lardman notes that he should be careful about location sharing Feb 18 11:02:40 * w00t concurs Feb 18 11:05:00 lardman: I'M IN BRISBANE, UPPER EDWARD STREET RIGHT NAO Feb 18 11:05:09 hmm, just watched video of Win Mob 7, wasn't that exciting really Feb 18 11:05:10 * crashanddie proceeds to read the article Feb 18 11:05:19 CRIKEY, YOU DON'T SAY THERE, MATEY? Feb 18 11:05:33 crashanddie: /me jumps on a plane and hopes to get to crashanddie's flat before he gets home Feb 18 11:05:41 <-- asshole Feb 18 11:05:50 everyone has one Feb 18 11:06:13 inx, a tybollt? Feb 18 11:06:21 inz even.. Feb 18 11:06:24 yeah, keeps your spine together Feb 18 11:06:31 :) Feb 18 11:06:36 mece: am I a pet or something? :) Feb 18 11:06:48 tybollt, so it appears. Feb 18 11:06:54 mece: Or as in pulp fiction "why don't you bring out the gimp" Feb 18 11:06:58 in a continuing attack on the BBC newspages, I'm unhappy to read that my TV licensing fee is going to develop iPhone applets Feb 18 11:07:00 hahaha Feb 18 11:07:19 lardman: do what I do - just don't have a TV Feb 18 11:07:27 (and as a result, don't pay the licence) Feb 18 11:07:36 nah, campaign for other apps for other platforms Feb 18 11:07:50 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8519783.stm come on you licence fee payers! Feb 18 11:07:53 if they aren't going to waste money on iPhones, it'll be on something else useless Feb 18 11:08:10 well the iPlayer stuff is quite good Feb 18 11:08:33 "campaign for apps for other platforms"? Feb 18 11:08:36 though not paying their "stars" so much money would be a good start for saving cash Feb 18 11:08:41 did you read the second sentence in the article? Feb 18 11:08:55 yeah, I don't see maemo there ;) Feb 18 11:09:17 maemo is utterly small fry right now compared to every other mobile platform Feb 18 11:09:38 on a scale of economics of license costs, developing one for maemo right now is what *would* be a waste of cash Feb 18 11:09:48 Hello Feb 18 11:10:10 nidO: true Feb 18 11:10:34 maybe there'll be a big enough user base once it becomes meego for them to do it Feb 18 11:10:44 I am trying to update my n900 but I get the "Insufficient disk space" error. Any suggestions to fix it? Feb 18 11:10:45 but I doubt we'll see a maemo release of anything from them Feb 18 11:10:46 It would be nice to hav access to the api that does their scrolling play by play commentary though Feb 18 11:10:59 oh.. they've waived teh 50bucks ovi fee Feb 18 11:11:55 The BBC has said that it will initially focus on building applications for the iPhone but follow with applications for Google's Android operating system and RIM (BlackBerry). Feb 18 11:11:55 It said it would also "work with other providers to enable these applications on their mobile devices". Feb 18 11:11:58 I have 45.8MB free on my rootfs Feb 18 11:12:22 Hello ALL: I try to synchronize with Exchange 2007. I hope, that oriblem is in this: Verification failed: unable to get local issuer certificate. Can anyone help me? Feb 18 11:12:50 nidO: well there's hope at least, and for all I know they may not have the scrolling commentary on the apps anyway Feb 18 11:14:02 that "work with other providers" as far as symbian/maemo goes might just = "provide the api info to let those communities develop their own" Feb 18 11:19:35 Hello ! Feb 18 11:21:02 hi Khertan Feb 18 11:21:02 Khertan, hi! Feb 18 11:21:15 * lardman really needs to turn on digests for meego-devel Feb 18 11:21:20 I need some packaging help Feb 18 11:21:44 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/vectormine/1.0.2-2/ <<< as you can see here the bug report link point to bugs.maemo.org Feb 18 11:22:07 but in control the link is : Bugtracker: khertan@khertan.net Feb 18 11:22:24 in previous packages the link was : http://bugs.maemo.org Feb 18 11:22:39 does it s a package viewer bug ... or a problem with my package ? Feb 18 11:22:43 is that ignored, or does it work for other packages? Feb 18 11:22:49 s/ignored/overridden Feb 18 11:23:03 you mean that bugs.maemo.org is default ? Feb 18 11:23:20 yeah, I wonder if it's as you say a bug in the viewer page Feb 18 11:24:06 i don't think because last time i put a package withtout any Bugtracker link and there was no default value put by the package viewer web page Feb 18 11:24:30 the change is maybe not supported Feb 18 11:24:38 or my package is not well formed Feb 18 11:25:01 ~Khertan++ Feb 18 11:25:09 Hello lcuk ! Feb 18 11:25:16 lcuk++ Feb 18 11:25:33 Khertan, love vectors will instal tonight when im not busy Feb 18 11:25:44 pleased you are getting it out Feb 18 11:28:35 lcuk: does liq* not install these days? Feb 18 11:29:13 I wanted to do some sketching yesterday but couldn't install due to missing deps Feb 18 11:29:19 though I don't remember which Feb 18 11:29:45 I am trying to run the script " ./move-to-opt.sh " but I get permission denied, I am running as root. I tried using " chmod +x move-to-opt.sh " but still gives me the same error. How can I fix it? Feb 18 11:30:25 where is the script? Feb 18 11:30:35 in MyDocs Feb 18 11:30:44 that's mounted noexec Feb 18 11:30:47 lardman is saying: move the script to a partition that is not mounted noexec Feb 18 11:30:49 so move it down a dir Feb 18 11:30:58 ok Feb 18 11:31:06 lardman, theres a slight maint break atm Feb 18 11:31:07 lol Feb 18 11:31:15 -devel unstable is unstable Feb 18 11:31:18 ok Feb 18 11:31:28 -testing ones were ok Feb 18 11:31:40 but i think vdvsx wanted to take them out of there Feb 18 11:31:56 next few days ill get some breathing space and update Feb 18 11:32:05 ok np, just thought I'd let you know Feb 18 11:32:36 yeah i had heard, i updated opensoundcontrol library and the version number was backwards Feb 18 11:32:43 thx Feb 18 11:32:44 lol Feb 18 11:32:46 :) Feb 18 11:33:45 lcuk: héhé ... it s available in extras-testing but already got a complain that bug tracker field Feb 18 11:34:28 * lcuk nods Feb 18 11:35:35 do i have to move the file to /bin/sh ? because I get the error: /bin/sh: ./move-to-opt.sh: not found Feb 18 11:35:35 Khertan: blame VDVsx :) Feb 18 11:36:08 what I did this time ? :) Feb 18 11:36:16 MOUD: no Feb 18 11:36:30 héhé Feb 18 11:36:45 * Khertan is blaming VDVsx Feb 18 11:36:50 MOUD: can you pastebin the contents of the file? What's the first line? #! /bin/sh Feb 18 11:37:07 yes Feb 18 11:37:24 the not found might refer to something else in the file Feb 18 11:37:31 but I'm not sure Feb 18 11:37:53 the script is in this website: http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space Feb 18 11:37:58 Khertan, the better I can do is pay you a beer for the 'inconvenience' :D :D Feb 18 11:38:08 * VDVsx checks the logs Feb 18 11:38:29 VDVsx: i'm joking Feb 18 11:39:04 :) Feb 18 11:39:23 i ve uploaded a vectormine package to repository ... bug with a bug tracker field : http://bugs.maemo.org Feb 18 11:39:26 MOUD: dunno, not a shell scripting afficianado I'm afraid Feb 18 11:39:27 right ... Feb 18 11:39:44 and i got complain as there isn't any vectormine product in bugs Feb 18 11:39:47 so ... ok Feb 18 11:40:02 lardman: no problem, im going to put on the /bin/sh and give a try. Thanks for the help Feb 18 11:40:04 i change it in VectorMine 1.0.2-2 package for khertan@khertan.net Feb 18 11:40:11 MOUD, did you create the file move-to-opt.sh? Feb 18 11:40:25 but the package web interface is still displaying http://bugs.maemo.org Feb 18 11:40:27 MOUD: what do you mean by put on the /bin/sh? Feb 18 11:40:51 VDVsx: so i m trying to understand if it s a problem with the package Feb 18 11:40:53 MOUD: also check that the file is executable I guess Feb 18 11:40:55 lardman: copy the file to /bin/sh Feb 18 11:41:04 MOUD: don't do that Feb 18 11:41:06 MOUD, NONONO! Feb 18 11:41:08 lardman: it is, I used chmod +x Feb 18 11:41:14 after you moved it? Feb 18 11:41:15 VDVsx: or a display bug in the web ui Feb 18 11:41:16 mece: why? Feb 18 11:41:30 /bin/sh is the ash shell that you're using Feb 18 11:41:35 MOUD, /bin/sh is the shell that runs the script. DON'T touch that Feb 18 11:42:13 Khertan, package link ? Feb 18 11:42:23 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/v/vectormine/vectormine_1.0.2-2_armel.deb Feb 18 11:42:57 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/vectormine/1.0.2-2/ Feb 18 11:42:59 uh ... Feb 18 11:43:03 it has changed Feb 18 11:43:03 anything I can compile on my debian machien at home I can run on a maemo ? Feb 18 11:43:14 question or statement? Feb 18 11:43:27 VDVsx: but still not good :) Feb 18 11:43:28 mece: I already copied there but after doing ls -l /bin/sh nothing is in there Feb 18 11:43:45 but I didn't get an error while copying Feb 18 11:43:45 Khertan, your package seems fine Feb 18 11:43:47 VDVsx: look at the link bug tracker in the package instance Feb 18 11:43:56 ham5: download the SDK and get compiling Feb 18 11:44:04 VDVsx: it s seems there is some delay / cache Feb 18 11:44:06 MOUD, did you copy the file somewherE??? Feb 18 11:44:13 updating the bugtracker link Feb 18 11:44:26 now i got this link : http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/vectormine/1.0.2-2/khertan@khertan.net Feb 18 11:44:27 :) Feb 18 11:44:31 MOUD, /bin/sh is not a directory Feb 18 11:44:33 not really good too Feb 18 11:44:34 :) Feb 18 11:44:35 anyone here knows how to configure maemo5 to use apt-get and all behind a proxy? Feb 18 11:44:36 mece: no Feb 18 11:44:44 Khertan, yeah Feb 18 11:44:48 mece: ah ok Feb 18 11:44:53 * VDVsx blames X-Fade :) Feb 18 11:44:58 MOUD: /bin/sh should be a symlink Feb 18 11:45:02 * Khertan blames X-Fade Feb 18 11:45:03 :) Feb 18 11:45:29 MOUD, there should be no copying of any files when making that script. Feb 18 11:45:31 and how do I see the link for /bin/sh ? Feb 18 11:45:45 ls -rtl /bin/sh Feb 18 11:45:53 VDVsx: thanks for having take the time to look at my problem Feb 18 11:46:01 MOUD: but that link won't be at fault unless you've broken it Feb 18 11:46:19 MOUD it's supposed to point at busybox Feb 18 11:46:27 I see Feb 18 11:46:43 so, does it still exist? Feb 18 11:47:08 anyway #!/bin/sh is just the first line in the script. nothing should be copied anywhere. Feb 18 11:47:15 Khertan, this is a bug in the package interface or some weird cache, did you see there the previous bugtracker with the package version as well ? (bugs.maemo....) Feb 18 11:47:29 yeah, still there Feb 18 11:47:39 mece: the script needs to be in e.g. /home/user so it can be made executable Feb 18 11:47:50 MOUD: did you chmod after moving the file? Feb 18 11:48:09 VDVsx: yep i see the previous bugtracker link with the last package version (i suppose weird cache) Feb 18 11:48:11 MOUD: and are you using the right script name? Feb 18 11:48:13 lardman, right. Feb 18 11:48:23 yes, chmod +x and also tried chmod 777 Feb 18 11:48:32 chmod +x is fine Feb 18 11:48:44 VDVsx: and now it s again the previous link Feb 18 11:48:44 yes, the same file name Feb 18 11:48:48 VDVsx: strange Feb 18 11:49:18 MOUD: are you in the right dir when you try to run the script? Feb 18 11:49:24 i.e. the same one the script is in? Feb 18 11:49:37 yes, I am in /home/user and the file is in there too Feb 18 11:49:48 VDVsx: does this occur only for extras-devel ? or it ll be same if i promote it to extras-testing Feb 18 11:49:49 ? Feb 18 11:49:58 Khertan, dunno Feb 18 11:50:05 i ll try so :) Feb 18 11:50:17 Google has bought the publisher of iPhone mail search app reMail, and promptly pulled the application from the iTunes store until further notice. Feb 18 11:50:18 lardman: yes, I am in /home/user and the file is in there too Feb 18 11:50:26 MOUD: and when you type ./mo then tab, it tab completes? Feb 18 11:50:30 mece, s/this was done/this was not done/ ? Feb 18 11:50:34 subtle way to enhance android in the android v iphone war Feb 18 11:50:45 lardman: yes it does Feb 18 11:50:51 GeneralAntilles, what? Feb 18 11:51:11 MOUD: check for typos in the script then, it looks like it's being run Feb 18 11:51:15 mece, appears to be a typo: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=534075&postcount=34 Feb 18 11:51:48 GeneralAntilles, the not is before the comma. Feb 18 11:51:53 mece, actually, I guess it's not a typo. Feb 18 11:51:58 mece, but it's awkward and unclear. Feb 18 11:52:15 Move the not to second half of the sentence. Feb 18 11:52:16 I just copy/pasted it , I don't think there's a type there Feb 18 11:52:23 *typo Feb 18 11:52:40 GeneralAntiulles, fixed it. Feb 18 11:52:45 MOUD: did the files get moved out of interest? Feb 18 11:53:20 lardman, haven't checked. 1 min Feb 18 11:53:41 mece, I expect the poster replying to you was confused which is why I brought it up. ;) Feb 18 11:53:59 righty, thanks. Feb 18 11:54:07 ooh sio2interactive is viewing the thread! Feb 18 11:54:17 man I hope he answers Feb 18 11:54:47 MOUD, so what does it say when you run the script? Feb 18 11:55:45 mece: /bin/sh: ./move-to-opt.sh: not found Feb 18 11:57:41 huge reply to the thread just gone up from sio2interactive Feb 18 11:57:42 lardman: all the files in the "theme" folder is still in there, so I don't think the script ran Feb 18 11:57:51 MOUD: ok Feb 18 11:58:07 well Feb 18 11:58:08 basically blaming the platform Feb 18 11:58:37 MOUD, that implicates that the file you're running is not there.. Feb 18 11:58:49 MOUD, or not executable. Feb 18 11:58:57 but apparently it tab completes Feb 18 11:59:08 so should both be there and be executable Feb 18 11:59:21 agree with lardman Feb 18 11:59:24 btw Feb 18 11:59:42 MOUD, hmm actually when it's not there I get ~sh: ./asdf: not found Feb 18 11:59:46 is there any way that I can remove everything from the phone so it can look the way it was when I bought it? (fresh clean) Feb 18 12:00:01 MOUD, you can flash it. Feb 18 12:00:19 MyDocs? Feb 18 12:00:22 mece: how? Feb 18 12:00:40 MOUD: flash it - flash the mmc image too Feb 18 12:00:42 hmm, I wonder if it's something like CR/LF Feb 18 12:01:21 MOUD: open the file with vi and see if it has ^M on the end of every line Feb 18 12:01:31 I dont have a mmc Feb 18 12:01:57 lardman: can you show me the exact command ? Feb 18 12:01:57 sio2interactive,... http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=534119&postcount=38 Feb 18 12:02:44 MOUD: vi move-to-opt.sh Feb 18 12:02:56 ok Feb 18 12:03:34 MOUD: then type :q to quit (i.e. colon q) Feb 18 12:03:45 MOUD: try this http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Tanner#Safely_free_some_space_on_rootfs Feb 18 12:04:12 lardman, SHAKE_TO_EXIT should be a default on all console editor apps! Feb 18 12:04:15 t-tan: if it's a line feed issue he'll have the same problem Feb 18 12:04:39 lcuk: not vi! never, we want to keep the difficult-to-remember combos! Feb 18 12:05:10 lardman: sh should be insensitive to the ^M Feb 18 12:05:21 I am restarting my phone. 1 min Feb 18 12:05:22 hmm, not in my experience Feb 18 12:05:24 lol Feb 18 12:06:35 oh fer fecks sake! man I hate when people are all like "oh it was easy to do it, so I can't be blamed" Feb 18 12:07:00 that post is a load of cock, basically Feb 18 12:07:06 exactly. Feb 18 12:07:08 linky? Feb 18 12:07:11 just because he was able to circumvent the rules doesnt allow him to. Feb 18 12:07:13 excuses excuses Feb 18 12:07:14 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=534119&postcount=38 Feb 18 12:07:23 thanks Feb 18 12:07:41 can't u just install nano, and use that instead of vi? Feb 18 12:07:41 :P Feb 18 12:07:52 install pygtkeditor :) Feb 18 12:08:27 I concur with Khertan. Feb 18 12:08:40 lol Feb 18 12:08:47 err... Feb 18 12:08:54 well he does have a couple of points about the code being broken Feb 18 12:08:56 drop.maemo.org died? Feb 18 12:09:09 slonopotamus: short reboot. Feb 18 12:09:23 slonopotamus: Sorry, needed that to mention in the mail I sent out too ;) Feb 18 12:09:27 lardman, yep. The non-douchebag way would be to mention that.. Feb 18 12:09:45 lardman, not to exploit it. Feb 18 12:09:48 VDVsx: package promoting to extras-testing is really long Feb 18 12:09:54 * slonopotamus curses debians for cyclic deps Feb 18 12:09:55 mece: indeed Feb 18 12:10:01 Stskeeps, X-Fade i wholeheartedly retract my comments. he did game the system. wow Feb 18 12:10:16 is the app in the non-free section? Feb 18 12:10:57 mece, roughly, well, the lock was broken, so why shouldn't I have broken in and stolen things? Feb 18 12:11:00 nooooo Feb 18 12:11:08 wtf "the explot was there not my fault i used it" Feb 18 12:11:09 my phone wont boot anymore Feb 18 12:11:13 w t f Feb 18 12:11:18 "Im the first one who was able to get the first stable 3D commercial game out there on the platform. At least you gotta gimme creditz on this" Feb 18 12:11:19 wat. Feb 18 12:12:05 lcuk: you wonder why i said "apology" first? Feb 18 12:12:35 why is the stuff in here not in individual dirs?: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/non-free/ Feb 18 12:12:47 X-Fade, that ain't 'short' :) Feb 18 12:12:51 lardman: Config issue. Feb 18 12:12:53 Stskeeps, yeah Feb 18 12:13:28 what can I do now? Feb 18 12:13:40 I'd just leave him alone, it's in non-free, and fix the issues he highlighted Feb 18 12:13:44 slonopotamus: Well, double reboot. Feb 18 12:14:05 MOUD: did you do anything else before you rebooted, i.e. things that might break it? Feb 18 12:14:10 o_O Feb 18 12:14:13 MOUD, you can reflash it. I believe you managed to remove /bin/sh Feb 18 12:14:15 MOUD: where does it get to in the boot process? Feb 18 12:14:20 mece: yeah Feb 18 12:14:47 MOUD: were you running as root? Feb 18 12:15:03 MOUD, http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing Feb 18 12:15:37 hi. Feb 18 12:17:09 how does sio2's game work? Do you have to feed it a password to make it work? Feb 18 12:17:47 my pone won't boot, what can I do? Feb 18 12:18:09 MOUD: were you running as root when you were fiddling with that script earlier? Feb 18 12:18:18 yes Feb 18 12:18:43 see mece's comment, you probably removed /bin/sh Feb 18 12:19:19 and what can I do now? Feb 18 12:19:39 reflash Feb 18 12:20:08 how do I do that? I don't even have the file Feb 18 12:20:17 Ha. I'm sick, and have to skip a lecture. But qik stream saves the day :) Feb 18 12:20:24 MOUD: http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing Feb 18 12:20:35 should give you a link to the flasher and the image if you need it Feb 18 12:20:48 Though I have to admit that the N900 users dropped the ball, and the iPhone user had to actually handle the stream Feb 18 12:21:36 remove /bin/sh? Feb 18 12:21:51 Good $DEITY people, what the hell are you doing to accidentally remove that? Feb 18 12:22:24 install bash? Feb 18 12:22:41 how does installing bash make you remove /bin/sh= Feb 18 12:22:42 ? Feb 18 12:22:58 Stskeeps: he can't boot Feb 18 12:23:08 lardman: reflash, without a shell you're fucked Feb 18 12:23:09 :P Feb 18 12:23:13 damn, what's wrong with ICQ again... Feb 18 12:23:14 yep Feb 18 12:23:25 frals, analogy stealer! Feb 18 12:23:58 :D Feb 18 12:25:03 lardman: thanks. I'm downloading the file Feb 18 12:25:29 GeneralAntilles, I was about to steal that one but 'I figured you'd post it yourself. Feb 18 12:25:46 mece, don't care enough to bother. *g* Feb 18 12:26:21 hmm, looks like he uses certs Feb 18 12:26:38 and an unobfuscated function called check_activation() Feb 18 12:27:41 lardman, he registers the imei, and checks against his server, afaict Feb 18 12:28:32 well that could be bypassed Feb 18 12:29:00 lardman, are you trying to exploit his software? LOL Feb 18 12:29:16 mece: what are you talking about ? Feb 18 12:29:28 not really, I don't care about games, but I dislike his smirking Feb 18 12:30:08 ahaha, sio2interactive case is hilarious :) Feb 18 12:30:25 which game do callback ? Feb 18 12:31:38 Kht_away: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44928 Feb 18 12:31:56 interesting though, which library provides the IMEI data, or is that a dbus call? Feb 18 12:32:04 mece: it be a nice "payback" for this "there was an exploit, dont blame me" Feb 18 12:32:14 you can get it trough dbus at least Feb 18 12:32:24 slonopotamus: drop working again for you? Feb 18 12:32:48 it would probably be easier to modify the binary code rather than try to fake the IMEI I guess Feb 18 12:33:17 anyway, enough of that thought experiment, even though he has been rather annoying, one wouldn't want to put off future commercial devs Feb 18 12:33:33 lardman: dbus call Feb 18 12:33:42 thx Feb 18 12:33:42 i use it for my shareware VectorMine Feb 18 12:34:15 I'll certainly stop then, don't want to stop Khertan's main source of funding :) Feb 18 12:34:30 lardman, I really hate that this guy is such a douche. Feb 18 12:34:48 bof ... do what u want ... people that didn't want to pay will not anyway Feb 18 12:35:06 i ve made some shareware before and they was always hack ... Feb 18 12:35:13 with a keygen or something else Feb 18 12:35:26 a trying to fight it is an endless war Feb 18 12:35:38 is quite an interesting topic really, securing software Feb 18 12:35:45 Kht_away: yeah Feb 18 12:35:50 mece: the more a douche he is ... the more to the point and precise you should be.. that is the only way to respond IMHO. If you go out of your way to mock him it'll just escalate and we all lose... :-| Feb 18 12:36:10 Kht_away: but generally you need at least some skill to do the hacking, so I imagine you'd tend to not get that much happening for low cost items Feb 18 12:36:16 tybollt, true true. I shan't post any more in that thread. I'll just get upset. Feb 18 12:39:18 WTF? ok so this guy obviously does not understand what open source is. Feb 18 12:39:41 ouch the abuse on vote ... Feb 18 12:40:02 isn't there a way to report such abuse ? Feb 18 12:40:14 but is so frustrating to be exclude from OVI store ... Feb 18 12:40:17 or add some smartness to the voting process Feb 18 12:40:30 that they want to get money for their dev Feb 18 12:40:37 bilboed-pi: yeah, just fix the bugs Feb 18 12:40:52 Kht_away: is the problem that it's not up yet, or you are excluded? Feb 18 12:41:06 lardman: yep ... in fact the both :) Feb 18 12:41:09 if you go here, the http://sio2interactive.com "SIO2 Free Open Source 3D Game Engine" it says... *sigh* Feb 18 12:41:22 lardman: require a vat number ... which my company didn't have Feb 18 12:41:32 ah I see Feb 18 12:41:47 well that's probably required for income tax purposes too Feb 18 12:41:58 free as in Free to pay a shitload to SIO2? :) Feb 18 12:42:00 or perhaps not Feb 18 12:42:13 this is why i release under a pseudo "shareware" .... with a paypal paiement on my website Feb 18 12:42:42 my company is exlude from vat tax ... so i didn't have a vat number :) Feb 18 12:42:50 VAT registration isnot required in the uK Feb 18 12:42:55 for small companies at least Feb 18 12:43:10 under 20K of turnover or something Feb 18 12:43:42 under 80k for selling product company and 32k for services selling company here in france Feb 18 12:43:51 /nick IRS && /msg Kht_away ALL YOUR BASE ARE ... Feb 18 12:44:02 ? Feb 18 12:44:25 lame attempt at being funny Feb 18 12:44:28 lol Feb 18 12:45:53 It worked. Thank you all :D Feb 18 12:45:55 then again why don't those assholes at SIO2 buy a spot in the limelight over at OVI store? Feb 18 12:46:13 why do they rpofusely have to go the maemo route if they are a comercial company anyway? Feb 18 12:46:14 he said something about it not working iirc in that thread Feb 18 12:46:22 ah ok Feb 18 12:46:55 * tybollt bets ovi store won't "work" until the symbian hordes come stampeeding in Feb 18 12:47:11 that's when nookla will start caring worth a damn Feb 18 12:47:13 X-Fade, yep, thx Feb 18 12:48:28 * slonopotamus wonders what'll happen if one uploads whole debian to builder :) Feb 18 12:49:00 where do i put data files so ioquake3 sees them? Feb 18 12:49:02 slonopotamus, x-fade will personally get in a black helicopter and come hit you on the head with a heavy book about not uploading everything to autobuilder Feb 18 12:49:07 slonopotamus: You'll find your access revoked :) Feb 18 12:49:11 hi ;) Feb 18 12:49:31 tybollt: because ovi isn't working Feb 18 12:49:36 lcuk, X-Fade do not like debian? :( Feb 18 12:49:37 Plus the black hawk thing. Feb 18 12:49:43 thresh: if you find out, mind PMing me the solution? Feb 18 12:49:53 slonopotamus, that is not the problem Feb 18 12:49:57 okay, i'm going into a BOOOOOORING meeting now Feb 18 12:50:01 which will take 3 hours Feb 18 12:50:06 so i desperately need to find it out Feb 18 12:50:11 slonopotamus: Why would you upload xorg-xserver btw? Feb 18 12:50:18 thresh: :D Feb 18 12:50:28 thresh: buzz-word bingo app? Feb 18 12:50:28 X-Fade, xvfb. it wasn't anywhere Feb 18 12:50:30 thresh: Hint! turn the volume off! :D Feb 18 12:50:39 i'll be with my hearplugs Feb 18 12:50:44 lardman: i'm not that good in english :) Feb 18 12:50:47 slonopotamus: This doesn't seem the way to do it. Feb 18 12:51:26 X-Fade, it's just maemo package,, i didn't change anything. Feb 18 12:51:36 slonopotamus, if you want to build the whole of debian, please do so - but dont abusse the autobuilder to do it, its perfectly possible however to make your own autobuilder and repositories etc to do it yourself Feb 18 12:57:49 Jaffa: can you update vala in extras to 0.7.10? Feb 18 12:58:24 why some debian packages have debian/config.in? Feb 18 12:58:41 autotools are used Feb 18 12:58:51 err Feb 18 12:58:53 I imagine Feb 18 12:58:59 i meant debian/control.in Feb 18 12:59:32 in addition to debian/control Feb 18 12:59:57 oups ... i ve forgotten to say in description that vectormine is a shareware ... Feb 18 13:00:11 hope i ll be not kill for that like sio2interactive Feb 18 13:00:11 :) Feb 18 13:00:24 * GeneralAntilles launches the ICBM at Khertan's house. Feb 18 13:00:55 damn, wind is blowing over France towards England Feb 18 13:01:32 can't even stop it with one of those multi-billion $ not-working-yet interceptor missles ;) Feb 18 13:01:34 have you used the tracker? Feb 18 13:01:37 slonopotamus: because they autogenereate debian/control frm it Feb 18 13:01:41 oh Feb 18 13:01:49 * SpeedEvil thought this was another channel for a mo. Feb 18 13:02:00 People sending balloons uk->france in the other one Feb 18 13:02:09 :) Feb 18 13:04:14 anyone with a 433Mhz SSB reciever in england or france welcome. Feb 18 13:04:26 #highaltitude Feb 18 13:04:46 lardman: have you used the maemo tracker in the icbm ? Feb 18 13:04:47 :) Feb 18 13:04:59 What's the best way to backup contacts from N900->Ubuntu desktop? Feb 18 13:05:07 Presumably something to do with evolution? Feb 18 13:05:36 http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/missions:ballasthalo:ballasthalo4 Feb 18 13:05:42 yeah ... so ... i ve a problem with the release of my game ... i just see that it was sent to ... free ... Feb 18 13:05:49 :( Feb 18 13:06:00 which isn't really the case Feb 18 13:06:01 hrw: Yup, I've got patches pending to push through Feb 18 13:07:01 SpeedEvil: looks cool :) Feb 18 13:07:21 Jaffa: thx Feb 18 13:08:49 SpeedEvil: the map at the bottom of that page, did it vanish into the Atlantic then? Feb 18 13:08:49 ouch Feb 18 13:09:06 undefined reference to 'sqrt' Feb 18 13:09:13 hum ... how to upload to non-free ? Feb 18 13:09:34 Khertan, you don't want to Feb 18 13:09:37 Using auto builder ... mean that it s automatically free apparently Feb 18 13:09:39 Khertan, dput Feb 18 13:09:44 ouch Feb 18 13:09:50 ask RST38h Feb 18 13:09:59 he had to upload something to non-free iirc Feb 18 13:10:13 thx for the answer Feb 18 13:10:14 Khertan, shareware but GPL? Feb 18 13:10:25 yep ... but i m not sure yet Feb 18 13:10:33 Then send it to free. Feb 18 13:10:41 as ... using gpl mean that i deliver the code source Feb 18 13:10:50 Right Feb 18 13:10:52 on punch cards Feb 18 13:10:55 and also the key verification Feb 18 13:10:55 lardman: yes - but that was more thanthe anticipated launch time Feb 18 13:10:55 Hehe Feb 18 13:11:00 lardman: great idea Feb 18 13:11:01 :) Feb 18 13:11:05 lardman: flight duration I mean Feb 18 13:11:15 SpeedEvil: ok Feb 18 13:11:24 lardman, just hope that their laziness outweighs $3.99 for the app. Feb 18 13:11:27 SpeedEvil: descent rate wrong, or wind too high? Feb 18 13:11:42 GeneralAntilles: indeed, which is probably true for the vast majority Feb 18 13:11:42 lardman: that was a predicted track - not a flight log Feb 18 13:11:46 ah I see Feb 18 13:14:15 * alterego wonders if madde will get renamed to MeeGo Application and Debugging Environment. Feb 18 13:14:54 nah, had to become a recursive acronym surely Feb 18 13:14:57 same name Feb 18 13:15:20 MeeGo's not Maemo? Feb 18 13:15:28 Meego Afraid Destruction Developpment Evolution Feb 18 13:15:29 MNM :P Feb 18 13:16:09 alterego: MeeGo is not maemo Feb 18 13:16:21 it s moblin with maemo 6 ui Feb 18 13:17:25 so its with x86 architecture, the first Nokia MeeGo device ? Feb 18 13:18:23 Khertan: I think yopu missed the conversation about MADDE becoming a recursive acronym, I was taking the piss out of GNU :P Feb 18 13:18:42 Can we start dismissing people as SIO2 apologists yet? Feb 18 13:18:54 Paavo, er? Feb 18 13:19:10 alterego: :) Feb 18 13:19:16 GeneralAntilles: you'd be suprised how many people keep asking that :P Feb 18 13:20:09 but really... it's just a bit of astroturfin... come on... nobody every did that before - eh? Feb 18 13:20:18 hum ... i m not sure for the translation to french of 'dismissing' Feb 18 13:20:22 fired them ? Feb 18 13:20:23 :) Feb 18 13:20:33 fire on them Feb 18 13:20:34 Moblin doesnt currently support arm, so I figured that if Meego is Moblin with Maemo 6 UI, the device must use x86 ? Feb 18 13:20:39 just kick them the hell out - wait for them to come crying back - accept their apology - WIN! Feb 18 13:20:52 Paavo, MeeGo will support both ARM and x86. Feb 18 13:21:08 Paavo with a Atom ant 8 kg battery for 2 hours of autonomy Feb 18 13:21:08 :) Feb 18 13:21:12 Paavo: have you read meego.com yet? Feb 18 13:21:24 15:16 < Khertan> it s moblin with maemo 6 ui Feb 18 13:21:30 I'll have to put my hand up as a sort of apologist: he cheated the system, but really who cares, let's fix the problem and move on Feb 18 13:21:34 except for Harmattan. Which is maemo with a maemo 6 ui. But called MeeGo, 'cause if you squint enough Maemo looks like MeeGo :) Feb 18 13:21:39 Paavo: yep for resuming :) Feb 18 13:21:49 read meego.com for more information Feb 18 13:22:05 Khertan: hey my netbook manages ~8hrs Feb 18 13:22:30 achipa, confusing for platform devs, much clearer for application devs and users. Feb 18 13:22:39 achipa: that one really screws me up too Feb 18 13:22:40 achipa, who's most qualified to handle confusion? ;) Feb 18 13:22:49 achipa: OTOH, the positive side might be that "dual packaging" might be the norm. Feb 18 13:22:55 i was jokking ... i just got a samsung nc130 and is works for 6 hours with a small battery Feb 18 13:23:21 :) Feb 18 13:24:42 and under seven or linux Feb 18 13:24:43 :) Feb 18 13:24:51 i didn't notice any differences Feb 18 13:27:11 GeneralAntilles: wait till those users realize their MeeGo/Harmattan device is not able to install MeeGo packages and that not all MeeGo apps can run on all MeeGo devices... I just really hope it doesn't turn into a fragfest (fragMENTATION, not in the quake sense of the word :) ) Feb 18 13:27:38 achipa: fwiw, rpm can be converted to deb Feb 18 13:27:55 It will propably be chaos during the next two years or so Feb 18 13:27:58 Stskeeps: I think he's refering to architectural issues. Feb 18 13:28:05 achipa: I think proper MeeGo will be for Harmattan++. Feb 18 13:28:06 Stskeeps: Everything is possible at zombo.com. But that's going to be fun WRT dependencies. Feb 18 13:28:13 achipa: yes, of course Feb 18 13:28:21 achipa: ideally you'd only need qt dependancies though Feb 18 13:28:26 achipa: but yet another thing Feb 18 13:28:30 "dependancy alignment towards maemo6" Feb 18 13:29:08 This will really take an iteration of 2 to pan out. Feb 18 13:29:22 X-Fade: I just with we had a more clear nomenclature, then this would be a lot less of an issue Feb 18 13:29:38 http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/02/18/maemo-meego/ Feb 18 13:29:41 Khertan: I see Jeremiah just posted to meego-dev, you could bend his ear via email if you still have a problem Feb 18 13:29:44 I feel we're like in a South Park episode when they call everything Marklar Feb 18 13:29:45 achipa: Hey, I didn't do the marketing thing :) Feb 18 13:30:40 Ah, hrw, I was waiting for you to weigh in. Feb 18 13:30:54 hrw: why not propose OE instead? :) Feb 18 13:31:01 +1 Feb 18 13:31:33 Stskeeps: speaking of which, did anybody do OE/optware on the N900 ? Feb 18 13:31:56 achipa: dunno, didn't hrw do some n900 related work? Feb 18 13:31:56 achipa: basic support is present Feb 18 13:31:57 optware? Feb 18 13:32:13 Stskeeps: I prefer to keep on topic Feb 18 13:32:40 Stskeeps: 1.5y ago we tried to move Moblin to be Poky based and failed Feb 18 13:33:11 hrw: OE or optware ? Feb 18 13:33:19 hrw: interesting Feb 18 13:33:26 achipa: OE Feb 18 13:33:36 tybollt: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/HomePage Feb 18 13:34:30 achipa: people still use optware? Feb 18 13:34:42 hrw: OK, will take a look. As a long time NSLU2-er, I'm also emotionally attached to optware even though it's a relic nowadays as you say :) Feb 18 13:35:27 might be worth a package - if nothing else, it's optified by default :p Feb 18 13:40:09 hrw: today, it's popular on QNap NASes and on the Palm (Pre) for some reason, other than that, not sure if anyone uses it (with the NSLU2 going into well deserved retirement) Feb 18 13:46:45 ah, ten pages in a few hours in the sio2 thread. Feb 18 13:47:19 huh? Feb 18 13:47:20 javispedro: Don't have time to follow it, but let me know if there is a conclusion :) Feb 18 13:47:26 didn't X-fade eject him yet? Feb 18 13:48:11 X-Fade: I didn't know there was anything left to discuss :P Feb 18 13:48:23 X-Fade, you're an evil bastard Feb 18 13:48:31 X-Fade, no, wait, the SIO2 guy is an evil bastard. Feb 18 13:48:36 GeneralAntilles: I helped the guy. Feb 18 13:48:43 X-Fade, so, no, no conclusion. ;) Feb 18 13:48:46 GeneralAntilles: He should have just mailed when he had issues. Feb 18 13:49:07 i think Palm will want to join the MeeGo party sooner or later Feb 18 13:49:16 Basically, typical Talk flamewar that will go nowhere. Feb 18 13:49:18 villemv: why? Feb 18 13:49:26 villemv: they have their own OS Feb 18 13:49:34 they can still ship their javascript sandbox over meego core Feb 18 13:49:37 tybollt: userspace is similar to maemo's own. Feb 18 13:49:41 palm is a small companf Feb 18 13:49:42 Because if they don't we're going to send qwerty12 to pay them a visit. Feb 18 13:49:49 lol Feb 18 13:49:57 or our local .deb gang Feb 18 13:50:06 palm webos uses ipkg!! noway!!! .deb or die! Feb 18 13:50:07 you mean .rpm gang? Feb 18 13:50:30 No I'm not a bitter dweebian nerd... not at all Feb 18 13:50:31 deb or terrorists win :) Feb 18 13:50:42 rpm is supporting communism!! Feb 18 13:50:50 RED hat, right Feb 18 13:51:08 wazd moo Feb 18 13:51:13 this brief discussion was actually more informed than the one on tmo. Feb 18 13:51:27 RST38h: heya :) Feb 18 13:51:31 moo rst Feb 18 13:51:41 or "mee" Feb 18 13:51:48 informed discussion in a web forum? Feb 18 13:51:50 Use SIS files, or else! Feb 18 13:51:51 uhm... hello Feb 18 13:52:48 palm using meego would be factible. Feb 18 13:53:00 is that a word? Feb 18 13:53:08 WebDroid! Feb 18 13:53:08 verbing? Feb 18 13:53:21 Somebody go start a Twitter rumor. Feb 18 13:53:21 verb-ai-what? Feb 18 13:53:35 verbing the nouns, you know Feb 18 13:53:37 so why aren't you saying samsung should switch Feb 18 13:53:42 instead of their linex Feb 18 13:53:42 * vmlemon_ heard that the next MobLin will use MSI files for software installation ;) Feb 18 13:53:45 endeavour Feb 18 13:53:48 samsung has uberplatform "bada" Feb 18 13:54:07 villemv: my point, it ought to suck korean gonads? Feb 18 13:54:08 they don't have linux, right? Feb 18 13:54:19 villemv: seems not. Feb 18 13:54:28 villemv: bada ~linux, non? Feb 18 13:54:32 nope Feb 18 13:54:34 oh Feb 18 13:54:35 Based upon SHP Feb 18 13:54:37 I don't think so at least Feb 18 13:54:38 I though so :) Feb 18 13:54:46 (Samsung Hardware Platform - some proprietary junk written in C++) Feb 18 13:54:52 Ah, I see somebody brought in the N900 support issue into the SIO2 thread. Feb 18 13:55:01 it's just using rastermans elite warez to allow writing apps Feb 18 13:55:01 They leaked a ton of SHP code as part of a WebKit drop, for what it's worth Feb 18 13:55:01 lol Feb 18 13:55:10 We need a new Godwin's Law to cover that. Feb 18 13:55:16 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada_%28operating_system%29 Feb 18 13:55:21 bada (pronounced /?b??d??/) is a linux based mobile operating system being developed by Samsung Electronics. It is designed for use in smartphones. Its name is derived from the Korean word for ocean.[1] Samsung is to announce further details on the platform on February 14th, at the Mobile World Congress.[2] The first Bada-based phone is the Wave S8500, to be released in April 2010.[3][4] Feb 18 13:55:31 badablin! Feb 18 13:55:39 GeneralAntilles: The guy had 2700 downloads yesterday. He should make a bit of money already. Feb 18 13:55:39 don't trust wikipedia on that Feb 18 13:55:43 im sure the original godwins will still hold true in that thread, given a couple more hours Feb 18 13:55:52 javispedro: http://i080.radikal.ru/1002/90/1f73486ad507.jpg Feb 18 13:55:56 is this a developer site? Feb 18 13:56:00 http://www.badadev.com/ Feb 18 13:56:02 It'sa Bada disasta Feb 18 13:56:11 for a moment I though I arrived at some squatter's page. Feb 18 13:56:27 wazd: lol Feb 18 13:56:31 Unofficial. Samsung's developer site is still closed to most of the world, unless you have a "Partner" account Feb 18 13:56:33 wow Feb 18 13:56:42 Same with their "Developer Tool (sic)" Feb 18 13:56:46 devs will love bada, if that website is anything to go by Feb 18 13:57:06 tEngoOh tanTOh GLamuH( sha jennYyY ) q mE labOh eR cooH cOn AMbipuuR tEngoOh tanTOh GLamuH( sha jennYyY ) q mE labOh eR cooH cOn AMbipuuR tEngoOh tanTOh GLamuH( sha jennYyY ) q mE labOh eR cooH cOn AMbipuuR. Feb 18 13:57:31 was that another RPM vs DEB argument? Feb 18 13:57:39 yes, but somehow including soap Feb 18 13:57:54 Stskeeps: I'll keep making those arguments because I know how it makes you cringe ;-P Feb 18 13:58:30 right, time to work on the open sourcing queue.. Feb 18 13:58:30 The Debian trolls will have a new topic for comments on andre__'s blog in the future. Feb 18 13:58:46 get your guns ready Feb 18 13:59:06 * luke-jr mounts 2 automatics on each shoulder Feb 18 13:59:11 k Feb 18 13:59:48 GeneralAntilles, uhm? Which one? :) Feb 18 13:59:51 luke-jr, are those munitions licensed as open sores? Feb 18 13:59:55 http://meego.com/devices/ Feb 18 13:59:58 Oops Feb 18 13:59:58 lcuk: yep Feb 18 14:00:13 GeneralAntilles: and that's why I don't like multichanneling :) Feb 18 14:00:25 andre__, now in addition to bitching about sending patches upstream, they can bitch about MeeGo using RPM. Feb 18 14:00:34 haha Feb 18 14:00:41 well, that, and the fact I am yet to find X-Chat's favorite channels edit dialog. Feb 18 14:00:43 lcuk: open sores? ;) Feb 18 14:00:44 javispedro, don't worry, #maemo will be dead soon enough. Feb 18 14:03:06 Anyone use MADDE here? Feb 18 14:04:10 I do Feb 18 14:04:27 Is there a MADDE with Qt 4.6 ? Feb 18 14:05:20 yes Feb 18 14:05:26 http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/02/11/qt-46-for-maemo-5-development-now-also-on-windows/ Feb 18 14:05:37 Ah, nice, cheers. Feb 18 14:06:28 hmm wrong channel but it appears LG are making a meeto device Feb 18 14:06:34 shagtacular! Feb 18 14:06:36 bwahaha http://s005.radikal.ru/i211/1002/2f/72a54f88264b.jpg Feb 18 14:06:43 let's roll :) Feb 18 14:08:16 wazd: more blood! Feb 18 14:13:09 hi there! Anyone with some time could test/evaluate the "desktop command execution widget". It's "final" version is at -testing only waiting for some evaluations.. Feb 18 14:13:25 Vote/evaluate here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/desktop-cmd-exec/0.9/ Feb 18 14:13:42 probably most of the people here is already using it.. so.. Feb 18 14:22:54 .. mhm watch me crashin xchat *test* Feb 18 14:23:38 success :P Feb 18 14:25:22 its .q3a/baseq3 for quake whoever wonder Feb 18 14:29:11 where can i find the gstreamer caps (format, w, h, bpp, fps) that the n900 camera supports? Feb 18 14:32:24 Jaffa: ping Feb 18 14:35:52 crashanddie: pong Feb 18 14:35:59 Jaffa: PM Feb 18 14:37:53 aboyer: is hard Feb 18 14:38:06 lardman: ?!? Feb 18 14:38:37 the framerate is not really known Feb 18 14:38:45 or at least no-one I spoke to knew it Feb 18 14:38:55 so I had to use a framerate range around where I wanted it to be Feb 18 14:39:28 what about image size, i'm trying to get 320x240 but it's not working... Feb 18 14:39:46 hmm, can't remember if it will go that small Feb 18 14:40:17 ok, thanks Feb 18 14:40:30 I think I had to settle for 640x480 Feb 18 14:41:25 no actually 320zx240 seems ok Feb 18 14:41:35 caps = gst_caps_from_string("video/x-raw-yuv,format=(fourcc)UYVY,width=320,height=240,framerate=[1/10,10/1]"); Feb 18 14:41:43 is what we're using in mbarcode-qt on the N900 atm Feb 18 14:42:23 It goes to 160x120 at least Feb 18 14:42:48 on the N900? Feb 18 14:44:00 I think there's a way to interrogate the hw from the gst code, but I never worked out how to do that Feb 18 14:44:45 yes Feb 18 14:45:01 lardman, with property probes Feb 18 14:45:03 SpeedEvil: now is that digital zoom, or interpolated? Feb 18 14:45:22 lardman: thanks for your line of code! Feb 18 14:45:34 np Feb 18 14:45:49 that will give you a very low framerate though, between 0.1 and 10 fos Feb 18 14:45:51 fps Feb 18 14:46:03 /usr/bin/gst-launch v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video0 num-buffers=1 \! video/x-raw-yuv,width=160,height=120 \! ffmpegcolorspace \! pngenc\! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/capture/test.png Feb 18 14:46:26 lardman, https://code.fluendo.com/flumotion/trac/browser/flumotion/trunk/flumotion/worker/checks/video.py Feb 18 14:46:53 thanks zaheerm Feb 18 14:46:58 interpolated Feb 18 14:47:06 aah Feb 18 14:48:00 lardman, checkWebcam shows you what you need to do Feb 18 14:48:14 ok, thanks Feb 18 14:48:25 X-Fade: around? Feb 18 14:48:43 wazd: yes Feb 18 14:48:49 SpeedEvil: does the chip, or is video/x-raw-yuv interpolate the fullres stream from v4l2camsrc? Feb 18 14:48:56 X-Fade: Vlad is trying to contact you :) Feb 18 14:49:10 s/polate/polating/ Feb 18 14:49:10 DocScrutinizer meant: SpeedEvil: does the chip, or is video/x-raw-yuv interpolating the fullres stream from v4l2camsrc? Feb 18 14:49:23 wazd: Normally he just sends me an email? :) Feb 18 14:49:36 X-Fade: he says that he did it :P Feb 18 14:49:44 DocScrutinizer: I'm not sure how it works, but I guess it's the chip/driver that does the interpolation Feb 18 14:49:50 it's the chip Feb 18 14:49:50 wazd: Hectic days lately. Feb 18 14:49:56 it won't do under 160 Feb 18 14:50:03 X-Fade: there he is :) Feb 18 14:50:07 vlad__: heya :) Feb 18 14:50:10 hi Feb 18 14:50:16 well - something in the hw. theremay be a hardware zoomer Feb 18 14:50:18 hi vlad__ Feb 18 14:50:40 X-Fade, did you recive my mail tommorow? Feb 18 14:50:52 SpeedEvil: right, the cam interface and relatives Feb 18 14:51:02 lardman, is that lowres camera stream coming in fast Feb 18 14:51:03 vlad__: This morning? Or yesterday? Feb 18 14:51:08 This Feb 18 14:51:10 or is it still giving the rolling shutter effect Feb 18 14:51:25 lcuk2: you will always get rolling shutter effect Feb 18 14:51:28 no, works fine Feb 18 14:51:32 lcuk2: nature of beast Feb 18 14:51:40 SpeedEvil, no rolling shutter on the camera preview mode Feb 18 14:51:41 that was an issue with double buffering on the display widget Feb 18 14:51:54 nice fast live preview Feb 18 14:52:01 if that can do it, why cant user apps use it Feb 18 14:52:17 X-Fade, is there an interface for removing packages in the works? I still can see Maemo Wordpy and other obsolete packages :( Feb 18 14:52:26 slonopotamus: I'm doing a test with your current package, so the build will take a bit longer. Feb 18 14:52:27 lcuk2: that's only a question how *fast* the shutter rolls ;-) Feb 18 14:52:27 open camera shutter, lovely fast view opens Feb 18 14:52:42 TomaszD: Yes, is coming. Feb 18 14:52:44 you know what i mean Feb 18 14:52:52 X-Fade, ok :) vague eta? Feb 18 14:53:04 TomaszD: Asap ;) Feb 18 14:53:05 i want/need that live view for something ive got in mind Feb 18 14:53:07 X-Fade, lol Feb 18 14:53:15 TomaszD: Probably next sprint though. Feb 18 14:53:20 alright :) Feb 18 14:53:24 lcuk2: there is rolling shutter - it's just not so obvious Feb 18 14:53:28 TomaszD: Changelog is coming first. Feb 18 14:53:36 SpeedEvil, whatever it is Feb 18 14:53:46 its not visible Feb 18 14:53:48 lcuk2: the shutter rolls at the framerate - or the maximum outputrate of the camera Feb 18 14:53:54 and every gstreamer thing ive tried its visible Feb 18 14:53:58 so something is different Feb 18 14:54:06 vlad__: I answered your mail this morning? Feb 18 14:54:16 camera live preview over gstreamer has to be possible Feb 18 14:54:36 X-Fade, whai? i didn't do anything bad to you Feb 18 14:54:51 slonopotamus: No, but I'm debugging something ;) Feb 18 14:54:56 X-Fade: No I did' Feb 18 14:54:59 lcuk2: mplayer tv:// and the camera preview show exactly the same degree of rolling shutter for me Feb 18 14:55:02 lcuk2: look at the camerabin source Feb 18 14:55:05 not recieve answer Feb 18 14:55:10 vlad__: Hmm sent it at 09:51 this morning. Feb 18 14:55:16 rolling rolling rolling Feb 18 14:56:00 X-Fade, Hmmm, Please repeat to vasvlad@gmail.com Thanks Feb 18 14:56:01 rawhide! Feb 18 14:56:19 vlad__: "Did you add XSBC-Bugtracker to your debian/control file? The bugtracker Feb 18 14:56:19 link needs to be in the package. If it is in the package it should be Feb 18 14:56:19 automatically visible on the website. Feb 18 14:56:20 " Feb 18 14:56:30 PaulFertser, SpeedEvil, DocScrutinizer, etc, around? Feb 18 14:56:31 * slonopotamus got isp speed improvement... 6mbps Feb 18 14:56:33 Hmm nice broken paste. Feb 18 14:56:34 Stskeeps: no. Feb 18 14:56:45 Stskeeps: aye Feb 18 14:56:56 X-Fade: Ok. Thanks Feb 18 14:56:57 Stskeeps: I'm exploring the inner regions of the sun, in a spaceship made of cheese. Feb 18 14:57:11 X-Fade, nooo :( let it build Feb 18 14:57:23 SpeedEvil, DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_development/Licensing_change_requests - need opinion on how it looks Feb 18 14:57:33 slonopotamus: few mins, don't worry. Feb 18 14:58:12 * slonopotamus broke esbox... how all this stuff is fragile... Feb 18 14:58:51 Stskeeps: maybe I should check the history diffs? Seems I've read that before? Feb 18 14:59:21 DocScrutinizer: yes, you have, now it's just getting implemented Feb 18 14:59:53 so any changes from the prety good version I already know? Feb 18 15:00:14 supertux saved the day on a boring meeting Feb 18 15:00:17 DocScrutinizer: not in format, just implementation :) Feb 18 15:00:37 Stskeeps: 'based on this form' -> clear the existing template in the bugzilla 'enter bug details' box - and copy and paste the below form Feb 18 15:00:44 k Feb 18 15:00:47 will give it a second read nevertheless Feb 18 15:00:53 Stskeeps: 'you may need to create a bugzilla account' Feb 18 15:02:09 * alterego wonders why there isn't a MADDE thing which can host Symbian sysroot Feb 18 15:03:51 Stskeeps: https://bugs.maemo.org/report.cgi?x_axis_field=priority&y_axis_field=votes&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&classification=Maemo+Official+Platform&product=Licensing+Change+Requests&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&emailassigned_to1=1& Feb 18 15:03:52 emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&format=table&action=wrap&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0= is a WTF?? to me Feb 18 15:03:56 Agh Feb 18 15:04:03 oops Feb 18 15:04:06 DocScrutinizer: you mean it doesn't make sense as it is currently viewed? Feb 18 15:04:15 yep Feb 18 15:04:16 DocScrutinizer: lemme drag out another example Feb 18 15:04:17 does the next version of bugzilla implement automatic url shortening? Feb 18 15:04:21 DocScrutinizer: this is with real data, so Feb 18 15:04:55 DocScrutinizer: http://tinyurl.com/ykfexsb Feb 18 15:05:09 DocScrutinizer: i just moved everything to Unspecified priority as i need to evaluate all open requests Feb 18 15:05:19 then they will move to high/medium/low Feb 18 15:05:21 Stskeeps: the ' (counting down in priority) ' is confusing. 'making opensourcing less of a priority' Feb 18 15:06:13 Stskeeps: ''You can see the current queue for licensing requests here '' this doesn't look like a list either Feb 18 15:06:17 ? Feb 18 15:06:46 DocScrutinizer: it isn't supposed to be a list, it is possible to decode on one side is the most popular with votes, combined with priority Feb 18 15:06:59 the bottom is the ones that go in the machinery first Feb 18 15:07:05 bottom/high, for instance Feb 18 15:07:14 it's to allow a dynamic queue Feb 18 15:08:06 hmm, did someone want an updated version of libdmtx? Feb 18 15:08:10 onion perhaps? Feb 18 15:08:14 DocScrutinizer: general rule would be to look at High/top votes, Medium/top votes, etc Feb 18 15:08:39 or maybe primarily looking at high priority, etc - we'll see how it works. Feb 18 15:08:46 Stskeeps: maybe I need a coffee, but that table is a meanigless thing to me Feb 18 15:09:08 DocScrutinizer: :nod: Feb 18 15:09:21 Bugzilla's tables are generally confusing. Feb 18 15:09:30 DocScrutinizer: clicking the items help Feb 18 15:09:56 there's only the "1" I can click Feb 18 15:10:10 But it tells you the distribution of votes for each priority level. Feb 18 15:10:16 headline "unspecified" Feb 18 15:10:22 DocScrutinizer: saw my tinyurl? Feb 18 15:10:45 DocScrutinizer: when i'm done with this, it will be prioritized properly, into High/Medium/Low, and showing in the table Feb 18 15:12:19 * w00t_ reads up Feb 18 15:12:43 Stskeeps: sorry maybe I'm utterly stupid, but due to missing headline in first col, and first col not clickable, and meaningless headlines for col "medium" to "total" I'm lost on what this tables tells me Feb 18 15:13:02 DocScrutinizer: ah, priority Feb 18 15:13:19 doesn't it say "Priority" on top? Feb 18 15:13:24 and Votes on second axis Feb 18 15:13:34 priority of WHAT?? Feb 18 15:14:02 is that bugnumber in first col, or what? Feb 18 15:14:04 of the licensing change request Feb 18 15:14:09 no, votes Feb 18 15:14:25 so WHICH licencing request? Feb 18 15:14:37 that you click for Feb 18 15:14:50 sorry don't get it Feb 18 15:14:57 Stskeeps: that is all a good framework for the task i guess. And it's ok as is, without even votes and the like in my opinion. What's missing is a description of any internal process and success stories (in fact, success stories are generally missing, that's the problem). Feb 18 15:15:03 Stskeeps: ''You can see the current queue for licensing requests here '' Feb 18 15:15:17 doesn't match the table shown Feb 18 15:15:42 DocScrutinizer: http://tinyurl.com/ybutmfp - in this case, the licensing change that is 52 votes and unspecified priority, would get evaluated. Feb 18 15:16:14 * Stskeeps brews DocScrutinizer coffee Feb 18 15:16:58 yeah, but WTF *IS* that licencing request??? Feb 18 15:17:10 that has the 52 votes Feb 18 15:17:15 click it Feb 18 15:17:28 I CAN N Feb 18 15:17:30 OT Feb 18 15:17:32 yes, you can Feb 18 15:17:32 !! Feb 18 15:17:34 there's a "1" Feb 18 15:17:40 which means "1" bug report matching this Feb 18 15:17:44 it is a pretty bad UI Feb 18 15:17:50 took me a minute to figure it out Feb 18 15:17:53 OMG Feb 18 15:18:29 https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?action=wrap&bug_file_loc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_id=&bug_status=NEW&bugidtype=include&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&classification=Maemo%20Official%20Platform&email1=&email2=&emailassigned_to1=1&emailassigned_to2=1&emailcc2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailtype1=substring&emailtype2=substring&field0-0-0=noop&keywords=&keywords_type=allwords&long_desc=&long_desc_type=substring&product Feb 18 15:18:30 err Feb 18 15:18:54 tinyurl is good for this :P Feb 18 15:18:59 The page you get when you click through the table to the raw list of bugs would be better than an unsorted table Feb 18 15:19:04 than a sorted table Feb 18 15:19:22 even if the list of bugs is unsorted Feb 18 15:19:49 Who cares about the votes anyway? Is there anything important behind them? Feb 18 15:20:05 PaulFertser: no, but it allows people other than myself to help decide what gets evaluated Feb 18 15:20:58 PaulFertser: if a large bunch of people ask for a licensing request to be considered and i don't agree with them, they can override me that way Feb 18 15:21:03 which is tbh, democratic :P Feb 18 15:21:21 also, it shows how many people actually care about this happening Feb 18 15:21:30 what's wrong with a table like "Bug# | Votes | foo | bar" and you can click the Bug# to enter the actual tracpage? Feb 18 15:21:32 Stskeeps: nice theory but i do not see that working in rl, i'm afraid Feb 18 15:21:57 DocScrutinizer: feel free to see if you can generate it automatically in bugzilla Feb 18 15:22:03 i will happily take other formats Feb 18 15:22:18 Stskeeps: the whole process is still a mistery to me, and the third link (with resolved tickets) where all of them are wontfix is unfun. Feb 18 15:22:36 PaulFertser: these are ones moved from old requests outside the system Feb 18 15:23:03 PaulFertser: what parts of the process could be better explained? Feb 18 15:23:15 but yes, what w00t said - i am more than happy to help change the process Feb 18 15:24:26 w00t_: the internals Feb 18 15:24:44 PaulFertser: ah, the internal procedure being done? Feb 18 15:24:54 w00t_: so one requesting a change can have an idea about the way and the time the request is managed. Feb 18 15:24:54 as in, when they are actually sent along from community into internal? Feb 18 15:25:01 X-Fade, you broke it :( Feb 18 15:25:14 I would imagine that takes place in the report itself, no? Feb 18 15:25:17 yeah Feb 18 15:25:35 PaulFertser: it can be 1-3 months from your request getting picked up for evaluation internally Feb 18 15:25:48 Stskeeps: i mean somebody asks something and then e.g. you say "ok, i'm putting that in the queue" and then you hear nothing for months, i assume that's mad frustrating. Feb 18 15:25:55 X-Fade, can you resubmit, please? Feb 18 15:25:55 PaulFertser: yes, i agree Feb 18 15:26:35 PaulFertser: there's two steps. one is me evaluating feasaibility and deciding a priority. next up, the item is picked up by a nokian if it's at the top of the list, assigns it to him/herself and sends it to the internal evaluation Feb 18 15:26:37 slonopotamus: Not 100% sure that was me, but sure. Feb 18 15:26:55 PaulFertser: the evaluation of feasibility and the assignment will be notified to you in bugzilla Feb 18 15:26:57 Stskeeps: also hiding names of the "internal corporate workers" who actually make the decision is a dirty game. It feels like you're talking to an inhumane wall. Feb 18 15:27:47 while I agree, I think part of that is always going to stay there, since it's not purely technical reasons that might block a request Feb 18 15:27:50 PaulFertser: agreed, and that's where next thing comes in - i follow up on all those that are getting evaluated. Feb 18 15:28:07 PaulFertser: and try to work things out while sitting on the fence. Feb 18 15:28:13 fuuuk Feb 18 15:28:19 proper communication on it with someone (like Stskeeps) on the outside would help there though Feb 18 15:28:24 if (msg && dbus_message_append_args (msg, DBUS_TYPE_STRING, "text", DBUS_TYPE_INVALID)) .. how can that segfault? Feb 18 15:28:55 Stskeeps: i guess the more you allow to look through the fence, the better (especially if you do that by making the fence transparent, not by passing messages yourself). Feb 18 15:29:01 cehteh: is the segfault inside dbus_message_append_args? I'd guess so Feb 18 15:29:07 yes Feb 18 15:29:10 cehteh: if so, is 'msg' a proper pointer? Feb 18 15:29:13 msg is correct Feb 18 15:29:14 yes Feb 18 15:29:19 PaulFertser: but about internal process - what i can say, is that it is not a inhumane process. it is well weighted and not a "no, we don't do this. " Feb 18 15:29:33 cehteh: dunno, then, using a tool like valgrind (if you can run this on an x86) might tell you more Feb 18 15:29:34 cehteh: I think you need to pass a pointer to a string iirc Feb 18 15:29:39 lemme check Feb 18 15:29:42 Stskeeps: without knowing the names of the people in charge it _seems_ inhumane. Feb 18 15:29:59 PaulFertser: the problem with names is that people change roles :P Feb 18 15:30:06 javispedro: "" is a pointer to literal .. but i tried already passing a local string Feb 18 15:30:09 PaulFertser: how about roles? Feb 18 15:30:15 cehteh: no no, I mean char** Feb 18 15:30:21 ah Feb 18 15:30:24 http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/api/html/group__DBusMessage.html#gdf644b7816754d01040cce6dc232469d Feb 18 15:30:30 that would explain itz Feb 18 15:31:01 Stskeeps: just damn make internal correspondence discussing the request open, that's all needed to make it fair ;) Feb 18 15:31:21 cehteh: see the first example Feb 18 15:31:25 javispedro: that was it, thanks Feb 18 15:31:32 yeah i am new to dbus Feb 18 15:31:51 i didn't like that API at all Feb 18 15:32:07 PaulFertser: yeah.. at least things are looking up for the OS in terms of meego :P Feb 18 15:32:14 PaulFertser: hopefully less crazy stuff to consider Feb 18 15:32:49 yes there are certainly better things, but well .. have to use it, works now, thanks Feb 18 15:32:50 Stskeeps: i mean when i talk to somebody and he proposes me a deal -- that's a deal, i can agree or not, that's my choice and my understanding. But if something is happening behind the curtains i always have a feeling that somebody wants to screw me one way or the other. Feb 18 15:33:21 Is there anyway of removing the "SMS" field from some contact numbers? Seems a bit silly having them on home landlines and such (though I know it'spossible to send them) Feb 18 15:33:26 PaulFertser: yeah, but otoh, not being able to talk about some things in public will ultimately lead to "no, we don't do this" answers :P Feb 18 15:33:29 I'd just rpefer not to have the option. Feb 18 15:33:38 PaulFertser: but anyway.. let's see how things run. Feb 18 15:33:43 PaulFertser: this is an experiment, too. Feb 18 15:33:48 in trying to get more things open Feb 18 15:33:53 Stskeeps: a nice one, definetely Feb 18 15:33:54 and having a saner process Feb 18 15:34:00 I'm just being sceptical as usual Feb 18 15:34:01 ;) Feb 18 15:34:05 yep, i'm happy about that Feb 18 15:35:13 Stskeeps: if you *report* about your correspondance to internal, that prolly would meet both sides requirements Feb 18 15:35:51 DocScrutinizer: sorry, i fail to parse that a bit Feb 18 15:35:54 you could filter out or reword things as needed to keep NDA affected stuff etc Feb 18 15:36:09 Stskeeps: in other words Feb 18 15:36:11 right, we'll see how that will work in effect. Feb 18 15:36:19 instead of directly saying 'X said no, here's his email' Feb 18 15:36:32 'X said no because blah blah blah', paraphrasing and redacting as necessary Feb 18 15:36:45 DocScrutinizer: the idea is to work out compromises and workable solutions on both sides Feb 18 15:36:50 exactly Feb 18 15:37:00 w00t_: ^^ Feb 18 15:37:11 * w00t_ nods Feb 18 15:39:08 That would put a load of stupid work on Stskeeps :( Feb 18 15:39:19 not really Feb 18 15:39:31 he needs to *read* the mails anyway Feb 18 15:39:32 PaulFertser: it's my job to do this mind-numbing work Feb 18 15:40:03 there's rarely something that is worth mentioning but couldn't just be copied verbatim Feb 18 15:40:15 this is btw, direct submission to the same licensing change request queue internals have to use. Feb 18 15:40:25 so, this is about as close as we can get atm Feb 18 15:40:33 in these rare cases it's his job to do exactly that rephrasing Feb 18 15:41:24 look at it like a specal sort of blog Feb 18 15:43:48 <|R> LG GW990 to run Meego, interesting... Feb 18 15:43:53 Stskeeps would do a daily blog, and usually just copy mails as he gets/sends them. For special cases he might comment or redact the mails, or just throw a "was ill today, and no mails ;-)" to the blog Feb 18 15:44:35 DocScrutinizer: i will probably just comment in the bug and ask if X,Y,Z changes would be acceptable Feb 18 15:44:48 or illustrating the problem Feb 18 15:46:14 Stskeeps: whether you do this on a real blog, or rather in the bugtrac tickets... I don't care Feb 18 15:46:43 just make your negotiations with nokians transparent as much as possible Feb 18 15:46:50 we'll see how things go. Feb 18 15:47:13 even if it's a mere "2 weeks, no answer :-( " Feb 18 15:48:43 all the flames of disappointed users feeling their requests went to dev/null will go to *you* if you don't do such a report thing Feb 18 15:49:45 i have to take some beatings, otherwise i just feel ashamed to getting paid for this kind of fun work Feb 18 15:49:48 :P Feb 18 15:49:57 lol Feb 18 15:52:32 Stskeeps: maybe you could check the opportunities for a somewhat similar role for a hw-guide guy to hold the schematics and instruct community about how to use things like e.g. the IR interface? (guess who's that guy I'm thinking of) Feb 18 15:53:13 DocScrutinizer: i think we need to have the whole MeGoo deal settle before we think of something like that Feb 18 15:53:35 right now is a horrid time for anything, including the open sourcing queue, 3d drivers, etc :) Feb 18 15:54:20 heh, the hw part is absolutely OS independant. So if it conflicts with maemo->meego migration, then this is a mere organizational/manpower issue Feb 18 15:54:51 even my own rule is a bit in doubt now too, but i think we'll find a way Feb 18 15:55:13 Stskeeps: anyway, big thanks for moving in the right direction, i hope it'll pan out. gtg Feb 18 15:55:25 sending a NDA to me is a cheap thing anyway Feb 18 15:55:49 PaulFertser: o/ Feb 18 15:56:47 Stskeeps: if you want beatings, I'm sure they can be arranged *eg* Feb 18 15:56:58 hrhrrhr Feb 18 15:57:19 will he get paid for? Feb 18 15:57:27 no Feb 18 15:57:31 he'll take them on his own time Feb 18 15:58:21 Stskeeps: (NDA) see, I know those things take months and months usually Feb 18 15:59:17 DocScrutinizer: i'm (thank god) not involved in that part of managing anything related to NDAs Feb 18 15:59:18 Stskeeps: sending me an NDA is a 0 effort 0 cost thing, and they hold a paper that enables them to move ahead any time they want and feel they got the time and need to Feb 18 15:59:20 :P Feb 18 15:59:38 DocScrutinizer: there was a statement they aren't happy NDA'ing community members as there's little to sue for Feb 18 15:59:44 => little risk for revaling Feb 18 15:59:49 .. but i'm not sure Feb 18 16:00:17 err Feb 18 16:00:21 big risk for reavling Feb 18 16:00:22 .. Feb 18 16:00:26 okay, that's it, my work day is over Feb 18 16:00:28 so they should pay me a few hundered bucks per month as soon as they hand actual NDA'd material to me Feb 18 16:00:32 * Stskeeps goes get the wine and tv episodes Feb 18 16:00:33 :P Feb 18 16:00:51 as long as they don't they can't use the NDA for anything - I agree :-P Feb 18 16:02:44 Stskeeps, if I may recommend a particular show, check out "The Wire" Feb 18 16:02:49 Stskeeps: wine? but you didn't even touch scratchbox today! Feb 18 16:02:55 w00t_: oh, trust me, i did. Feb 18 16:03:07 that explains it then Feb 18 16:03:07 Stskeeps: though on OM '*I* had the role to manage the NDAs for the company, and OM never had any issues with NDAing community members to hand them out confidential material Feb 18 16:03:10 ;) Feb 18 16:04:54 Stskeeps: actually we had to "hire" guys for special (glamo GFX chip) related material to meet the NDA we had with the chip manuf. But that's mere paperwork Feb 18 16:06:02 Stskeeps: otoh OM always was about as much openness as possible. Nokia probably isn't Feb 18 16:06:59 hi Feb 18 16:07:08 how can I send/receive sms via ssh? Feb 18 16:07:12 DocScrutinizer: while there's probably a grain of truth in there, I'm not sure that's an entirely fair statement Feb 18 16:07:14 on n900 Feb 18 16:07:32 w00t_: *probably* Feb 18 16:08:06 that's a personal notion statement, so it's not unfair Feb 18 16:09:23 X-Fade, you broke builders? :) Feb 18 16:09:43 slonopotamus: No, other app builds fine on the same builder. Feb 18 16:09:50 w00t_: actually I'd stand corrected happily :-) Feb 18 16:10:03 slonopotamus: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-February/017316.html Feb 18 16:10:47 DocScrutinizer: well, it's a slow process, but things like that opening queue, symbian, meego to me.. are kind of indicating the direction they're trying to head Feb 18 16:11:09 X-Fade, it doesn't start to build libgnomeui-...-maemo2 :/ Feb 18 16:11:45 w00t_: well, sending me an NDA was a low effort opportunity for them to follow up that path one step further Feb 18 16:12:14 slonopotamus: is building now. Feb 18 16:12:50 okaay :) Feb 18 16:12:58 w00t_: nota bene the NDA itself usually is of low confidetiality Feb 18 16:13:12 so low risk to send out Feb 18 16:15:20 hrw: today, it's popular on QNap NASes and on the Palm (Pre) for some reason, other than that, not sure if anyone uses it (with the NSLU2 going into well deserved retirement) Feb 18 16:15:27 oops, wrong button... Feb 18 16:16:17 w00t_: and if I eventually receive the real schematics, that would even put me in a conflict when I planned to RE the device and publish my own handmade schematics for money. I couldn't do that anymore as I never could proove I haven't used the schem they sent to me ;-D Feb 18 16:17:22 :) Feb 18 16:17:45 .... but if you covertly put them on ebay Feb 18 16:18:18 Other than what's on the Maemo wiki, and maybe the leaked service manuals (although I don't want to refer to/discuss those), has anyone produced a chip-by-chip teardown of an N900, out of interest? Feb 18 16:18:27 nah, high risk for low revenue Feb 18 16:19:15 vmlemon_: not jet afaik Feb 18 16:19:23 Aah, thanks anyway Feb 18 16:19:38 except from googling whatever typenames you see in boot dmesg Feb 18 16:21:32 s/jet/yet/ Feb 18 16:21:53 * DocScrutinizer hopes for coffee to kick in eventually Feb 18 16:29:46 vmlemon_: send me your n900, and I will. Feb 18 16:30:01 Sadly, I don't even own an N900 Feb 18 16:30:24 hey - that's a point Feb 18 16:30:25 (Some folks on the Symbian Developer Forums were discussing the feasibility of a port, given that the hardware's superficially similar to what's on a BeagleBoard). Feb 18 16:30:29 there should be a 'wanted' page Feb 18 16:30:36 a port of what? Feb 18 16:30:50 The Symbian Platform itself, for what it's worth Feb 18 16:30:53 oh Feb 18 16:30:58 Just for the heck of it Feb 18 16:31:27 if you can fake kernel being a zimage.. Feb 18 16:31:39 it should be feasible. also, being nokia, you already may have the battery charging blob =) Feb 18 16:31:58 We've got the Nokia ISI abstraction layer stuff Feb 18 16:32:13 * v13 needs PyQt help Feb 18 16:32:24 Not sure about power management code, given that stuff's covered by the baseport Feb 18 16:34:05 parts of the omap PM code are probably IP of TI Feb 18 16:35:19 As far as booting's concerned, someone thought of using the existing Maemo installation as a springboard to boot EKA2 and the rest of the Symbian Platform, similar to how folks used to boot Linux on Windows CE devices Feb 18 16:35:34 Don't know how well it'll work in practice, though. Feb 18 16:35:40 kexec could be easily installed Feb 18 16:36:13 * DocScrutinizer hopes that'll never pan out ;-P symbian - eeeeeew Feb 18 16:36:56 symbian in qemu, run under maemo - why not Feb 18 16:37:11 debian/copyrigth says that it's open souce GPL licence and in in "free" repository. However there is no source code. Use proprietary licence and non-free or include the source code in source package Feb 18 16:37:23 blablabla ... how can i make a shareware open source ... Feb 18 16:38:12 shareware cannot - usually - be GPL Feb 18 16:38:26 SpeedEvil: yep ... Feb 18 16:38:33 as long as the person downloading it can't fork it Feb 18 16:38:57 SpeedEvil: could be Feb 18 16:38:58 what's the problem with putting it in non-free? Feb 18 16:39:07 Khertan: this is from our "extras QA abusing" friend? Feb 18 16:39:15 Shareware usually just means it's cripped unless you pay for it Feb 18 16:39:16 Hmm, we do have a BeagleBoard baseport already that works... Feb 18 16:39:26 luke-jr: can't be shareware with any restrictions that is. Feb 18 16:39:29 yep ... and specially ... can i say it s gpl if i didn't publishing all the source including the key generation Feb 18 16:39:44 javispedro: nope :) Feb 18 16:39:47 could easily use #ifndef DEMO and have a Perl script strip the contents for gratis version Feb 18 16:40:06 Just a case of tweaking it, writing drivers for whatever N900-specific hardware exists, and accounting for differences in the OMAP SoC Feb 18 16:40:19 same stuff as if you want to port Wince :) Feb 18 16:40:30 javispedro: it s from mikkov saying that the licence say gpl ... no source include ... in free ... thumb down Feb 18 16:40:46 right i publish with the wrong licence and in the wrong directory ... Feb 18 16:40:50 i didn't complain Feb 18 16:41:12 i m just would like to think of a new style of open sourced shareware Feb 18 16:41:21 "open sourced shareware" Feb 18 16:41:32 sounds like web 3.0 to me Feb 18 16:41:42 No wonder why people get confused about "Open Source" vs "Freeware" Feb 18 16:42:16 and for the moment i didn't know how to say gpl ... when i didn't give all the source (also the one with key code verification) Feb 18 16:42:18 (I've heard of less-savvy folks refer to the latter as including source code with software, and other stupid things) Feb 18 16:43:53 Khertan: you can't legally do that if your app is based on GPL'd sources Feb 18 16:44:25 my app isn't based on gpl source Feb 18 16:44:36 i write it myself :) Feb 18 16:44:44 Khertan: either you app is open source or it isn't Feb 18 16:44:51 i ll be back in 5 min Feb 18 16:44:53 away Feb 18 16:44:56 Wouldn't "Open-Sourced Shareware" be yet another take on "Shared Source"? Feb 18 16:45:00 mikkov: yep ... true Feb 18 16:45:06 (Or even "Available Source" if you prefer)... Feb 18 16:45:18 mikkov: i would like to make it "open source" and shareware together Feb 18 16:45:35 * RST38h moos Feb 18 16:45:40 Khertan: then choose licence which makes it possible Feb 18 16:45:47 Khertan: free software is more than just open source Feb 18 16:45:50 for the moment i ve put it to extras builder witjtout thinking that the it ll land to free Feb 18 16:45:58 Khertan: you could produce shareware with the source available, sure Feb 18 16:46:02 * DocScrutinizer moos at RST38h Feb 18 16:46:02 and licence gpl was a error in the package :) Feb 18 16:46:08 vmlemon: No, it is from the "some bullshit" category Feb 18 16:46:15 Indeed Feb 18 16:46:20 RST38h: the xchat plugin makes progress :) Feb 18 16:46:35 cehteh: lemme know when it is done =) Feb 18 16:46:47 cehteh: it segfaults faster now? ;-P Feb 18 16:46:58 Too bad it uses custom widget for the message log, cannot easily add kinetic scrolling =( Feb 18 16:47:15 nah works now Feb 18 16:47:34 blinks, vibrates, throws message boxes around and so on Feb 18 16:48:22 * DocScrutinizer throws swearwords around, As he's late Feb 18 16:48:34 wave, bbl Feb 18 16:49:19 slonopotamus: Everything ok now? Feb 18 16:51:55 ahhahaha someone finally started abusing maemo.org voting, and it is SIO2 Interactive, of all people! Feb 18 16:52:16 * RST38h gets some popcorn Feb 18 16:52:46 Heh, I wonder if this "Open Source Shareware" will be based on SIO2's crippled Shared Source "indy development" libraries ;) Feb 18 16:53:40 X-Fade, nope. i ran out of beer :/ Feb 18 16:54:04 hm, seems backups can't be created when they have non-alphanumeric characters in the selected backup name - bug, or limitation? Feb 18 16:54:25 * slonopotamus hack, hack, hack... Feb 18 16:56:08 bookmarks as well have limtations on allowable chars. Stupid Feb 18 16:56:44 the limitation just isnt obvious though, if you try to create a backup with a non alphanumeric character it tries for about 10 secs then just says "backup error occured" and dumps back to the backup screen Feb 18 16:58:05 probably both are used as filenames, and there's a proper escaping missing Feb 18 16:58:45 for backups that's ok (well somewhat) - for bookmarks it's an annoyance and a PITA Feb 18 16:59:18 yar I couldnt much care less whether my backup has a colon in it's name or not, just the first time iv noticed it ;p Feb 18 17:00:08 for bookmarks the default name often contains non-allowable chars from window title Feb 18 17:00:23 ah Feb 18 17:11:18 wazd: Looks like Jaaksi is using your theme Feb 18 17:11:42 RST38h: hm? Feb 18 17:12:03 wazd: check the screenshot: http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2010/02/n900-meego-and-barcelona.html Feb 18 17:12:34 which one of the themes is that? Feb 18 17:12:40 RST38h: no, that's not mine Feb 18 17:12:54 RST38h: it's Joppu's glossy Feb 18 17:13:43 wazd: Ah Feb 18 17:14:47 RST38h: his conscience is clear :D Feb 18 17:15:45 * RST38h heheks Feb 18 17:16:55 dput use ssh ? Feb 18 17:18:02 bye Feb 18 17:18:33 yes Feb 18 17:18:49 timeless_mbp: can you explain to me a bugzilla oddity? Feb 18 17:19:28 timeless_mbp: http://tinyurl.com/ybutmfp - why does it say '1' when there's actually a larger number of bugs there? Feb 18 17:20:26 Maybe that's one of the bugs Feb 18 17:24:29 * timeless_mbp looks Feb 18 17:25:09 Stskeeps: one which? Feb 18 17:25:17 oh, youch Feb 18 17:25:32 (should be reversable with edit this report) Feb 18 17:25:55 http://tinyurl.com/yd7x4ue Feb 18 17:26:26 Stskeeps: irc.mozilla.org #mozwebtools Feb 18 17:27:11 add &debug=1 to your query Feb 18 17:27:51 problem: on inbound call screen is unlocked before I fetch the phone out of pocket ->unwanted keypresses. Solution: make the buttons on dialer app ("accept", "reject"...) sliders like on lockscreen. Feb 18 17:28:15 timeless_mbp: ah, so it only shows counts when you choose a certain priority..? Feb 18 17:28:28 Stskeeps: well, it clearly works there Feb 18 17:28:35 did you add &debug=1 to your query? Feb 18 17:28:41 you can read the sql and think about it Feb 18 17:28:57 timeless_mbp: well, in the tinyurl you just gave me, it was supposed to show a "High" priority bug too :) Feb 18 17:29:11 no it wasn't Feb 18 17:29:19 i asked for priority=unspectified Feb 18 17:29:23 mmk Feb 18 17:29:29 click 'edit this report' Feb 18 17:30:21 timeless_mbp: is there a ticket already for names of bookmarks don't allow certain characters? Feb 18 17:30:33 DocScrutinizer51: you mean like '/'? Feb 18 17:30:39 yep Feb 18 17:31:06 DocScrutinizer51: can you imagine how trivial it would be to figure that out? Feb 18 17:31:09 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/02/superspeed-logo-tweak-20100218-560.jpg :D Feb 18 17:31:11 I think I know the root cause of that Feb 18 17:31:13 bugs.maemo.org/query.cgi?format=advanced Feb 18 17:31:20 DocScrutinizer51: it's called "gnomevfs" Feb 18 17:31:27 click "maemo official applications" Feb 18 17:31:29 click "browser" Feb 18 17:31:35 click "bookmarks" Feb 18 17:31:41 enter "/" in the summary search field Feb 18 17:31:46 clear the resolution restriction Feb 18 17:31:49 click "search" Feb 18 17:31:52 bug 5548 Feb 18 17:31:53 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5548 you can't have a "/" in the name of a bookmark Feb 18 17:32:31 so a mere 'yes' whould have been much less effort ;-D Feb 18 17:32:39 teach a man to fish Feb 18 17:33:18 DocScrutinizer51: if you're going to ask me something you can look up yourself, you'll have to pay by sitting and listening to an explanation of how you could have looked it up yourself Feb 18 17:33:23 i'm an expensive resource Feb 18 17:33:26 I know to fish, but this very moment I'm in the mountain side :-) Feb 18 17:33:58 timeless_mbp: fair enough Feb 18 17:34:01 DocScrutinizer51: one isn't typically in a mountain side Feb 18 17:34:07 unless one's a bonsai Feb 18 17:34:53 or maybe a gateway to Moria Feb 18 17:34:55 To my knowledge though timeless_mbp, no current bug report exists for the same flaw in backup generations? Feb 18 17:35:06 nid0: sorry? Feb 18 17:35:15 you want to name a backup with a "/"? Feb 18 17:35:25 like "Backup from 1/20/2010" ? Feb 18 17:35:42 well with any non alphanumeric character. I couldnt give much of a toss but I tried to generate a backup with a colon in the name earlier and it just dies with an unspecified error Feb 18 17:35:56 nid0: backups are stored on VFAT Feb 18 17:36:36 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#Directory_table Feb 18 17:37:19 nid0: you can file any bug you like Feb 18 17:37:25 but some bugs won't be given the time of day Feb 18 17:39:16 yeh im aware, was simply curious to know whether i'd just missed a bugreport, on the basis that a response is on there for 5548 - wasnt sure if it was a known limitation because of the storage method or an unintentional bug, being as the backup tries to generate for a bit then fails with a generic error Feb 18 17:39:29 nid0: so um Feb 18 17:39:42 Field unable to contain '?"/\*<>' Feb 18 17:39:52 if you want to file a bug Feb 18 17:39:53 * RST38h moos at mikkov just for the sake of it Feb 18 17:40:00 how about filing a bug about the fact that ':' seems to work Feb 18 17:40:05 it isn't in the "not allowed" list Feb 18 17:40:16 which seems to mean it's going to do something incredibly stupid Feb 18 17:40:52 "Backup error occurred" Feb 18 17:41:00 nid0: _please_ file that bug Feb 18 17:41:07 will do Feb 18 17:41:21 be sure to test and report on all of the forbidden characters from the link i gave Feb 18 17:41:39 any character that isn't listed in the error message but which is listed in the excluded list is *not* going to work Feb 18 17:41:42 * fcrozat needs to fill a bug against file manager which doesn't convert files names copied from upnp when they contains '?' Feb 18 17:41:44 * timeless_mbp shakes fist Feb 18 17:41:57 fcrozat: =~ s/fill/file/ Feb 18 17:42:04 timeless_mbp: ;) Feb 18 17:43:04 How do i change my maemo.org password ? Feb 18 17:44:52 evening all. Does anyone know why my N900 isn't marking SMS messages as read? Feb 18 17:45:14 SystemParadox: are you out of disk space? :) Feb 18 17:45:36 no Feb 18 17:45:45 why would that affect it anyway? Feb 18 17:46:05 changing false to true doesn't use any more space Feb 18 17:46:20 file systems don't typically work that way Feb 18 17:46:29 one rarely does an in place write Feb 18 17:46:51 oh that's true Feb 18 17:47:03 which partition would it be using? Feb 18 17:47:18 and flash file systems tend to use wear leveling techniques which would probably mean they wouldn't want to write to the place where the file data last was anyway Feb 18 17:47:27 just use 'df' and check them all Feb 18 17:47:37 if any of them are full, you should think about the risks involved :) Feb 18 17:47:38 they're all fine Feb 18 17:51:56 ok there's a forum thread on this. Now all I need is someone to message me to see if it worked Feb 18 17:53:43 nope that hasn't fixed it :( Feb 18 17:55:29 RST38h: http://lumiera.org/maemo_notify.c for review, works but not finished Feb 18 17:59:18 Hello ! Feb 18 17:59:26 ~ping Feb 18 17:59:28 ~pong Feb 18 17:59:33 hey khertan Feb 18 17:59:39 waah Feb 18 17:59:40 ~moo Feb 18 17:59:41 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Feb 18 17:59:45 hey corsac Feb 18 17:59:57 switching xvnc off lead to reboot :P Feb 18 18:00:00 lawl Feb 18 18:00:26 someone know if there is a other way than dput to upload to non-free Feb 18 18:00:35 as dput use ssh which is block by my isp Feb 18 18:01:11 your isp blocks ssh? Feb 18 18:01:21 an https way for example like we have with the extras assistant ? Feb 18 18:01:59 nid0: phone isp block everything with their fucking proxy which arent http or https Feb 18 18:03:40 so no answer no other way :( Feb 18 18:04:34 you got the wrong contact Feb 18 18:04:37 contract Feb 18 18:05:24 khertan: VPN over port 443 :D Feb 18 18:05:32 hum nope Feb 18 18:05:36 ... Feb 18 18:05:46 if HTTPS works, so will that Feb 18 18:05:55 not the wrong contract just one that didn t cost me an arm each month Feb 18 18:06:23 héhé i ve try vpn ... packet are broken by the proxy Feb 18 18:06:34 they aren t stupid Feb 18 18:06:49 khertan: it's impossible to block a SSL'd VPN without blocking SSL'd HTTP... Feb 18 18:06:59 the day of dns tunneling is dead Feb 18 18:07:08 it was never alive Feb 18 18:07:26 barely worked for SSH Feb 18 18:07:29 luke-jr obviously they can block it Feb 18 18:07:57 khertan: not obvious at all. Feb 18 18:07:59 didn t ask me how i didn t know Feb 18 18:08:06 anyhow, a HTTP proxy should be possible to write Feb 18 18:08:10 ? Feb 18 18:08:44 luke-jr ... hum .... it could be a good idea Feb 18 18:08:45 setup a simple webserver that uses POST to talk to a tun/tap device Feb 18 18:08:54 bridge that to your LAN, voila Feb 18 18:09:31 require also the client Feb 18 18:09:35 but doable Feb 18 18:09:39 yeah Feb 18 18:09:41 of course Feb 18 18:10:06 if there's a real HTTP proxy in between, you'll probably need to packetize things sanely Feb 18 18:10:17 have the server hold the connection open as long as it can, etc Feb 18 18:10:22 until there's data Feb 18 18:10:29 then close it when the data stops for a few ms Feb 18 18:10:41 buffer any more data until the next POST comes in Feb 18 18:10:42 and so on Feb 18 18:10:57 yep Feb 18 18:11:18 if you put effort into it, you can have 2 POSTs at a time, to reduce latency Feb 18 18:13:10 maybe i didn t have to put too much effort ... Feb 18 18:13:12 OpenVPN can now perform tunnelling through the HTTP proxy for you. Feb 18 18:13:23 !!l YEAH !!! Feb 18 18:13:39 :) Feb 18 18:14:06 is that just me, or is there a systemwide policy you mustn't "save as" ony project of e.g. notes or sketches. :-S A *pita* Feb 18 18:14:16 where do I file a bug against the messaging app? I can't find it in any category Feb 18 18:14:41 ceh900: blink Feb 18 18:14:46 :o) Feb 18 18:14:48 heh Feb 18 18:15:11 plain stupid you can't saave intermediate versions of your work, or use templates Feb 18 18:15:28 just need to go back home to install openvpn Feb 18 18:17:34 DocScrutinizer : the policy is to not show to much things to user Feb 18 18:17:53 it s like extensions in gtk dialog which are hidden Feb 18 18:17:55 it s a shame Feb 18 18:18:01 khertan: nonsense. That's no excuse Feb 18 18:18:26 how did you make a difference between pypackager.py and pypackager.pyw Feb 18 18:18:35 you can t you need to open both Feb 18 18:19:08 'What Nokia needs is a new phone sorry, N900 thats as startling and lust-provoking as Keanus snap-open model was eleven years ago. If theres a Star Trek sequel, it should be plugged into the cigarette lighter in young James Kirks vintage Corvette Stingray.' Feb 18 18:20:38 mavhc !!! haha n900 is perfect in hw ! Feb 18 18:20:43 well sized ! Feb 18 18:22:04 with a shitty mirco usb port thats broken on me once already! Feb 18 18:22:41 pronto ouch really ? Feb 18 18:22:57 yeah Feb 18 18:23:03 khertan: uh, no. Feb 18 18:23:13 i should take more care of mine so Feb 18 18:23:28 i was unplugging the charger and the port came out with it Feb 18 18:23:32 i always remove without any care Feb 18 18:23:34 pronto: go read the tmo thread for replacement Feb 18 18:23:46 already got it replaced Feb 18 18:23:47 lol Feb 18 18:24:03 it broke on the 1st of feburay got replacement in yesterday Feb 18 18:24:10 does replacement work too for dpp device ? Feb 18 18:24:20 newegg replaced mine Feb 18 18:24:24 dpp/ddp Feb 18 18:24:35 not sure what that is Feb 18 18:24:55 khertan: doubt it Feb 18 18:25:27 developper device program Feb 18 18:25:55 i ask because unfortunatly they said one week waranty Feb 18 18:26:40 if mine break, and no replace, i will not buy an other one ... Feb 18 18:26:49 waranty is about cost, no? Not about feasability of repair Feb 18 18:26:59 but this doesn t happen Feb 18 18:27:39 ddp device cost 250 Euros not high ... but not low too Feb 18 18:29:27 * DocScrutinizer feels there's an urgent need for replacement libs for fileselector dialog, save-file dialog... I bet a few more come to mind Feb 18 18:29:45 let's hpe all these are .so Feb 18 18:29:52 libhildonfm Feb 18 18:29:58 yup Feb 18 18:30:33 the way all this works right now is f*cked up seriously Feb 18 18:30:38 they consider that bug as a feature so won t fix Feb 18 18:30:51 look comment in bugs.maemo.org Feb 18 18:31:14 * cehteh is under the impression that maemo5 has way too much features Feb 18 18:31:15 I found no ticket for "save as" Feb 18 18:32:02 s/features/restrictions sold as features/ Feb 18 18:32:51 did find it too in open tickets Feb 18 18:32:54 seems they have close it Feb 18 18:33:38 DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=534958#post534958 .. be my test bunny :P Feb 18 18:35:32 wheres the changelog for lates os upgrade? Feb 18 18:35:35 cehteh: nah. xchat is one of the mission critical apps on my device. Feb 18 18:35:36 * cehteh goes cooking .. blood-orange-marmelade :> --- bbl Feb 18 18:35:50 DocScrutinizer: you dont trust me? :) Feb 18 18:36:13 well .. some features are not implemented yet, but works for me Feb 18 18:36:30 anyways .. bbl .. continuing later with it Feb 18 18:37:28 hi all Feb 18 18:38:45 cehteh: told ya I'm happy with the way my 'hacked script' works for notification. I'd not test any of the extended features anyway Feb 18 18:39:04 ok i needed the blinking Feb 18 18:39:31 and the banner and dialog boxes are also nice to have .. making this more configureable later Feb 18 18:39:45 nice app developer incentive: http://www.gomonews.com/mwc-nokia-n900-chat-with-peter-schneider/ Feb 18 18:39:47 only test you could expect of me is for proper diabling option Feb 18 18:40:24 well that works .. in a very simple way, when xchat gets focus it disables the led Feb 18 18:40:44 anyways i dont really need anyone testing this, i am confident its ok :P Feb 18 18:40:51 I'm talking about disabling the whole feature though Feb 18 18:41:00 but feature suggestions/comments would be nice Feb 18 18:41:26 yeah there will some /notify_mode -lvbd next Feb 18 18:41:59 +/- flag l= led, v= vibrator, b = banner, d= dialog Feb 18 18:42:27 and an regex to trigger it on a specific message, thats planned Feb 18 18:42:42 * Wizzup wonders how he should upgrade his maemo's base system because it asks him to start nokia pc suite... But Wizzup has no nokia pc suite as he uses Linux on his desktop Feb 18 18:43:12 bbl Feb 18 18:43:19 Wizzup: use linux flasher Feb 18 18:43:25 will search Feb 18 18:43:46 or, more likely, clean your device and use SSU to upgrade Feb 18 18:44:29 I tried to do it with apt-get upgrade and it segfaulted ^^ Feb 18 18:46:53 for a laugh, check out ebay item #190373882632 Feb 18 18:47:27 SystemParadox, but im lazy Feb 18 18:49:25 lcuk, lol. It's an N900 for £100. 0 feedback user. From portugal. Feb 18 18:49:50 VDVsx, ? Feb 18 18:50:04 i thought you got it working :p Feb 18 18:50:31 lcuk, ? :) Feb 18 18:50:44 interesting activities today in desktop component: http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop Feb 18 18:51:10 * lcuk giggles Feb 18 18:51:14 hehe Feb 18 18:51:17 ? Feb 18 18:51:28 "live background" Feb 18 18:51:32 well, all week long really ... ;) Feb 18 18:51:46 ave Feb 18 18:52:01 frals, what's that? Feb 18 18:52:11 * khertan try to launch microb wich did want to open the windows Feb 18 18:52:19 it's difficult to really explain how cool it is, but big big kudos to kimmo for it Feb 18 18:52:36 konttori: desktop got a behind-bakground mode? =) Feb 18 18:52:46 * Mece is intrigued Feb 18 18:52:47 konttori, very easy to explain, there's a thing called video :D :D Feb 18 18:53:14 video background? Feb 18 18:53:43 just add a background ... Feb 18 18:53:57 live-bg? Feb 18 18:54:10 well, it also has live-fg support Feb 18 18:54:30 konttori, what has? Feb 18 18:54:40 like android I suspect ;) Feb 18 18:54:42 konttori: ok, what are live-fg and live-bg? Feb 18 18:54:48 I am really just pondering when to make a video. Support is off limits until pr1.2 goes out Feb 18 18:55:04 RST38h: just what they say they are. Feb 18 18:55:27 konttori: I am too stupid to understand Feb 18 18:55:46 Also, to me, video background makes no sense, sounds like a waste of batteyr power Feb 18 18:56:03 allows you to have any window (or even XV) as the background (or as layer on top of home) Feb 18 18:56:13 screen can waste more Feb 18 18:56:13 there is pretty much no impact to battery Feb 18 18:56:15 RST38h, its bling. lots of people leave device at side of htem charging Feb 18 18:56:18 oh the band started playing. just when things got interesting. later. Feb 18 18:56:21 any WINDOW? oh sweet Feb 18 18:56:38 so, you could, e.g. put browser in the bg. Feb 18 18:56:44 xlock -inroot -mode frame Feb 18 18:56:50 xlock -inroot -mode flame Feb 18 18:56:52 konttori: Oh, so I can put conky or browser as my root window? Feb 18 18:56:52 and it'll get click events. Feb 18 18:56:57 so, you can do interactive bgs. Feb 18 18:57:03 aha Feb 18 18:57:09 * RST38h votes for xroach =) Feb 18 18:57:11 RST38h: yeah, pretty much so. Feb 18 18:57:18 probably like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9phlk78qcro Feb 18 18:57:23 but more advanced Feb 18 18:57:41 hmmh, having only one sync'able calendar/addressbook is kind of sad :( Feb 18 18:57:43 but why not use widgets instead? Feb 18 18:58:14 ah i understand more ... an active desktop for n900 ? :) Feb 18 18:58:28 mhm Feb 18 18:58:55 konttori: btw, why no more resizable desktop widgets? Feb 18 18:59:02 could be fun for geek with an tail -f /var/log/syslog background Feb 18 18:59:08 yeah, like that but more advanced. Feb 18 18:59:15 :) Feb 18 18:59:35 You also get the knowledge of widget borders,so you can use those in the live bg. Feb 18 18:59:58 multicolored tail -f /var/log/syslog background! Feb 18 19:00:00 an mplayer battlestargalactica_final_batlle.avi background : :) Feb 18 19:00:06 in bold and italics! Feb 18 19:00:25 yeah, lots of possibilities. Feb 18 19:00:38 :) Feb 18 19:00:55 Also, if I am not mistaken, compositor can be used to do the autoscale, so you can render to smaller pixmap as well Feb 18 19:00:59 to gain more speed. Feb 18 19:01:06 (and less mem consumption) Feb 18 19:01:26 lot's of possibilities. Feb 18 19:01:26 * VDVsx suspects that some will use porn movies as bg :D Feb 18 19:01:34 * VDVsx looks at lcuk :D Feb 18 19:01:35 hum ... just like geektool on macosx or conky on an unix Feb 18 19:01:47 i di Feb 18 19:01:58 nahhh VDVsx theres much better things in mind Feb 18 19:01:59 konttori: I wonder how many will be realized though... Feb 18 19:02:12 lcuk will probably more use a flying liqbase rendering Feb 18 19:02:14 But lcuk is probably delighted by this live-bg ;) Feb 18 19:02:22 khertan: heh Feb 18 19:02:26 with bacon flying Feb 18 19:03:32 but i didn t see the overpowered feature ... in that one ... Feb 18 19:03:32 maybe i m becomming less geek Feb 18 19:03:35 or older Feb 18 19:03:38 :) Feb 18 19:04:03 someone here have try VectorMine ? Feb 18 19:04:16 not yet Feb 18 19:04:26 but that would be good flying around between widgets ;) Feb 18 19:04:42 SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP Feb 18 19:04:48 ~ping Feb 18 19:04:49 ~pong Feb 18 19:04:54 (well you know where it is going) Feb 18 19:05:02 hmmm, My N900 keeps returning "Internet connection failed, Unable to retrieve IP address from the server." when i try to connect to my WPA2 network. Feb 18 19:05:34 put a static ip your dhcp seems dead Feb 18 19:06:06 oh?so the N900 should supports WPA2? Feb 18 19:06:21 or activate the dhcp on your wifi router Feb 18 19:06:49 afk anyway >>>> Feb 18 19:06:49 Wild_Doogy: wpa2 works on mine Feb 18 19:06:49 it is, and it the 3rd WPA2 network I have gotten the same error on Feb 18 19:06:55 thanks Feb 18 19:07:02 edidting connections now Feb 18 19:07:10 i m not sure Feb 18 19:07:33 but i think it support it Feb 18 19:08:11 the error you got seems more like a auto ip discovery error Feb 18 19:08:51 (got it again, but I didnt set static yes, jus messing with DNS) Feb 18 19:09:19 RST38h: well, let's see. It's a developer offering. Allows pretty wicked stuff to be done. Feb 18 19:09:37 and sure, mostly geeky stuff, but cool nevertheless Feb 18 19:09:39 WPA2 worked here, but my shitty zyxel P66 reboots every 15 minutes on WPA2, so I got back to WEP Feb 18 19:10:58 heh.... WEP >_> Feb 18 19:11:16 hum none answer on t.m.o on my game Feb 18 19:11:29 seems i ve wate my time Feb 18 19:11:30 khertan, it crashed for me Feb 18 19:11:35 i installed it Feb 18 19:12:12 goes to fullscreen Feb 18 19:12:19 see a flash of a cursor and then window dies Feb 18 19:12:32 if i am representative it might explain why no1 is commenting? Feb 18 19:13:00 lcuk : oh really ? Feb 18 19:13:01 which version ? Feb 18 19:13:09 Wild_Doogy: I don't give a shit, as all my traffic is public via internet anyway. So I use secure protocols for whatever I think should stay undisclosed, and I don't care for any of the remaining issues Feb 18 19:13:15 i dunno Feb 18 19:13:16 konttori: I am quietly going over the list of known developers in my head, but lcuk is the only one who rings any bell =) Feb 18 19:13:16 can you launch it from xerm ? Feb 18 19:13:18 how do i find out Feb 18 19:13:27 Well, fiferboy maybe... Feb 18 19:13:37 vectormine Feb 18 19:13:41 RST38h, for what? slick nice graphical things? Feb 18 19:14:36 RST38h: well, if not the community, then perhaps commercial guys. Anyway, e.g. screensavers can be ported to that pretty quickly Feb 18 19:14:40 e.g. matrix saver. Feb 18 19:14:53 hmhm, is there a kernel built with ipv6 enabled? Feb 18 19:14:58 but those are of course not interactive, and thus, a bit boring Feb 18 19:15:03 or an ipv6 module available somewhere Feb 18 19:15:10 man Feb 18 19:15:20 I just tried navit with a big OSM map Feb 18 19:15:28 how unusable Feb 18 19:15:35 its worse than ovi maps speed wise :( Feb 18 19:15:48 konttori: Sheep. Definitely sheep. Feb 18 19:16:10 you mean electric sheep saver? Feb 18 19:16:19 aren't screensavers bad for battery anyway? Feb 18 19:16:23 RST38h, theres plenty of people around with desire to do it - and once people see it and examples come out it will be easy Feb 18 19:16:28 yes RST38h :D Feb 18 19:16:33 live sheep wandering across the screen Feb 18 19:17:06 ~nuke screensavers Feb 18 19:17:08 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at screensavers ... B☢☢M! Feb 18 19:17:13 lcuk: Well, you know how it usually goes, the people with desire can't program and the people who can program have better things to do... Feb 18 19:17:34 Corsac: ack Feb 18 19:17:38 konttori: http://www.slinkycity.com/windows-desktop-sheep.html Feb 18 19:17:51 konttori: the original sheep classic :) Feb 18 19:18:02 DocScrutinizer: rst Feb 18 19:18:08 oh, lol! that would be shweet Feb 18 19:18:11 DocScrutinizer: Not criticizing your decision to go with web, it sounds like you have it all figured out. It just that mt and a few of my friends have a competition to see hoe fast we can crack onto each others WEP networks. I am currently holding the record, of having a successful crack in the time it took me to park the car, and walk to the front door >_> Feb 18 19:18:12 (what was the ack for?) Feb 18 19:18:35 I thought you meant http://community.electricsheep.org/ Feb 18 19:18:39 or this link (may be fresher) http://www.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Enhancements/Other-Desktop-Enhancements/Scmpoo.shtml Feb 18 19:18:45 check http://community.electricsheep.org/samples Feb 18 19:19:16 we have maemo sheep! Feb 18 19:19:17 Wild_Doogy: so what? just disable all encryption on your AP. Others will lose one way or the other Feb 18 19:19:22 much more community oriented Feb 18 19:19:40 RST38h, i fall on both sides of that im afraid Feb 18 19:19:46 Corsac: for battery issues of screensavers Feb 18 19:19:57 konttori: hallucinogenic Feb 18 19:20:05 I love cracking onto things... Feb 18 19:20:39 its all for fun, only rule is we cant use WPA. Feb 18 19:20:55 sorry was disconnected Feb 18 19:21:20 bya all Feb 18 19:21:36 lcuk: did you got any error when launching from xterm ? Feb 18 19:21:44 didnt try khertan Feb 18 19:21:45 Wild_Doogy: so it's ok to use a WEP that has no valid key? Feb 18 19:21:48 ~ping Feb 18 19:21:49 ~pong Feb 18 19:22:31 Wild_Doogy: if it wasn't for the leechers abusing my AP for p2p I'd lift any encryption off my AP Feb 18 19:22:32 if you got one can you emailit me at khertan@khertan.net ? Feb 18 19:22:34 thx Feb 18 19:22:58 as i ll disconnect soon ... poor network coverage Feb 18 19:22:59 Traceback (most recent call last): Feb 18 19:22:59 File "/home/user/MyDocs/Projects/vectormine/vectormine.py", line 1426, in Feb 18 19:22:59 File "/home/user/MyDocs/Projects/vectormine/vectormine.py", line 1423, in main Feb 18 19:22:59 File "/home/user/MyDocs/Projects/vectormine/vectormine.py", line 877, in Menu Feb 18 19:22:59 IOError: unable to read font filename Feb 18 19:23:14 DocScrutinizer: once upon a time, I configured my AP to run a public ESSID with 56k-speed throttling Feb 18 19:23:15 well, yes, but then you cant connect to your own network. one of my friends, Joe, ran 40 feet of Cat5 through his living-room so he could do that. Feb 18 19:23:19 uh ? Feb 18 19:23:19 strange Feb 18 19:23:21 thx Feb 18 19:23:28 now theres a good idea Feb 18 19:23:31 :-D Feb 18 19:23:49 Khertan, may well be my machine, but its feedback, sorry its not better news Feb 18 19:24:17 nope thx for the feedback Feb 18 19:24:24 Wild_Doogy: huh? why wouldn't I be able to connect to own AP when it's open?? Feb 18 19:24:46 ~ping Feb 18 19:24:47 ~pong Feb 18 19:24:47 if it s happen on yours it can happen for other user Feb 18 19:25:49 luke-jr: I would do that if I had a *decent* DSL-router-AP with sophisticated throttling Feb 18 19:26:57 DocScrutinizer: no such thing exists; I'm too lazy to set it up again Feb 18 19:27:55 DocScrutinizer: I just got a rosewill RNX-GX4 fron newegg for $30. it works great, and flashing it to dd-wrt was a snap. (apparently you cant brick it.... but I wouldn't bet on it.) Feb 18 19:28:09 the zyxel P660 can do a lot, but regrettably it's shitty fw that segfaults all the time Feb 18 19:28:11 old router died..... Feb 18 19:29:16 or features just don't work the way they're announced Feb 18 19:29:38 so I don't care too much Feb 18 19:29:44 I'd get a new router, but I can't find one with decent specs Feb 18 19:30:45 luke-jr, sheevaplug Feb 18 19:31:33 Luke-jr: I don't know what you need, but take a look: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166032&cm_re=rosewill_router-_-33-166-032-_-Product Feb 18 19:32:15 N900evil_: fails for a number of reasons Feb 18 19:34:54 anyone running upnp server on linux? Feb 18 19:35:05 yes i did Feb 18 19:35:16 what program? Feb 18 19:35:31 my NAS runs linux and some nondescript program I haven't identified Feb 18 19:35:39 villemv: mediatomb Feb 18 19:35:49 DocScrutinizer: Thanks for your help, the static IP worked. WPA2 is working. Feb 18 19:35:54 ok, I'll check it out Feb 18 19:35:59 Wild_Doogy: 4 MB is patheticly low Feb 18 19:36:08 nice Feb 18 19:36:19 my n900 now starts in one time in four Feb 18 19:36:31 like just reboots every time after nokia logo Feb 18 19:36:41 wtf is that Feb 18 19:36:55 anything weird in dmesg? Feb 18 19:37:03 Wild_Doogy: wrong addressee, it was some other guy who pointed at that Feb 18 19:37:16 N900evil_: OpenRD-Client would work except for its power consumption Feb 18 19:37:22 woops, sorry Feb 18 19:40:06 thresh: I had similar issue probably triggered by me moving the weather widget Feb 18 19:40:24 yeah, try disabling all the widgets Feb 18 19:40:28 the omweather thing has got a weird bug though Feb 18 19:40:46 refuses to update on click when the settings say "only update when connected to wifi" Feb 18 19:40:46 though mine *always* ewbooted while rendering desktop Feb 18 19:40:47 luke-jr, 6w? Feb 18 19:41:36 N900evil_: yeah, a bit on the high end for a router Feb 18 19:41:51 ok, mediatomb is busted Feb 18 19:42:01 it streams errors about sql schema etc. not convinced ;-) Feb 18 19:42:21 luke-jr: Are you off-grid? Feb 18 19:42:39 * Arkenoi gets flashlight updates quite frequently, but it does not seem to work any different ;-) Feb 18 19:42:45 SpeedEvil: ? Feb 18 19:43:04 villemv: there's also ushare. Feb 18 19:43:20 ok, trying... Feb 18 19:43:28 and gmediaserver Feb 18 19:43:37 luke-jr: I'm just wondering why you care about a delta of - say - 3W. Given it's 3 pounds a year or so even with expensive electricity. Feb 18 19:43:38 i can keep naming things from an apt-cache search if you like Feb 18 19:43:47 SpeedEvil: UPS Feb 18 19:43:56 nah, I'm good :-) Feb 18 19:44:46 i dont know what mine is (it came with the firmware) but the phone finds it just fine Feb 18 19:44:54 luke-jr: 99.99% of UPSs have a static load muchhigher than 3w Feb 18 19:45:04 SpeedEvil: really? hm :| Feb 18 19:45:16 luke-jr: IIRC I measured my tiny '500w' one at 40W idle Feb 18 19:45:31 luke-jr: that's running on battery providing 1W out Feb 18 19:45:46 perhaps a better question I should be asking is where to find a router with its own battery so there's no silly AC adapter loss Feb 18 19:45:54 don't even bother with ups at work anymore, power cuts are <1 in 3 years Feb 18 19:46:10 mavhc: and brown outs? Feb 18 19:46:30 luke-jr: I have - completely coincidentally - a car battery wired in parallel with my router PSU Feb 18 19:46:37 mavhc: on last power cut generator was running for 4 days Feb 18 19:46:47 luke-jr: well - it's not wired up now - it has been though until moderately recently Feb 18 19:47:12 ~]|15> !ushare -i wlan0 -c Music Feb 18 19:47:12 Interface eth0 is down. Feb 18 19:47:12 Recheck uShare's configuration and try again ! Feb 18 19:47:15 luke-jr: it so happened that the on-load voltage was ~13.5V - so car battery in parallel 'just worked'. Feb 18 19:47:48 hm Feb 18 19:47:48 excellent set of programs ;-) Feb 18 19:48:14 that sharing thing on n900 - is it possible to use it to send photos to some different place Feb 18 19:48:18 luke-jr: more seriously - you can get moderately inexpensive DC-DC converters Feb 18 19:48:22 i mean like FTP plugin for it would be nice Feb 18 19:48:27 jacekowski: not by default. Feb 18 19:48:37 There is an ftp plugin Feb 18 19:48:38 jacekowski: i'm not aware of anyone actually setting up ftp Feb 18 19:48:42 many have mentioned it Feb 18 19:48:43 ah Feb 18 19:48:50 It's in extras I think :) Feb 18 19:48:56 or extras-testing Feb 18 19:49:18 i want that as well, that pixelpipe thing is annoying Feb 18 19:49:18 jacekowski: i installed a plugin to send to gallery2 Feb 18 19:49:22 it seems to work Feb 18 19:49:27 pwnguin: where have you found it? Feb 18 19:49:30 it works for now but -.- Feb 18 19:49:31 -devel Feb 18 19:49:37 name? Feb 18 19:49:43 or maybe garage, i cant recall Feb 18 19:49:54 luke-jr: simple way is to measure the drain-time of your UPS on a tiny load Feb 18 19:50:21 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/g2-sharing/ Feb 18 19:50:33 Hmm... Maybe the FTP plugin was in extras-devel after all. I can't find it now. Feb 18 19:50:46 gallery2 is even better for me Feb 18 19:53:00 mhm Feb 18 19:53:08 no space left on device error Feb 18 19:53:21 that's bad Feb 18 19:53:33 and i can't even login by ssh Feb 18 20:00:02 jacekowski: keep in mind it's a v0.1 release Feb 18 20:00:12 jacekowski: it doesnt seem to support encryption of your password Feb 18 20:00:31 like i care about encryption Feb 18 20:00:37 luke-jr: roundabout all DSL-routers I've seen so far come with external (AC-)PSU and internal regulators. Depending on the internal circuit of the router/AP you are fine with external battery of same or slightly higher voltage usually. Some weird designs *need* the AC for internal voltage mirroring or clocking purposes, but then you'll simply find it doesn't work. No harm in trying it Feb 18 20:00:49 i'm more worried about my fscking wifi router Feb 18 20:03:22 luke-jr: I live in a 1st world country, we have proper electricity Feb 18 20:04:44 last grid-caused blackout I've seen here was some 6 years ago. No brownouts ever Feb 18 20:06:19 where's here? Feb 18 20:06:32 Germany Feb 18 20:06:50 Hi ... Feb 18 20:07:39 http://pastebin.com/m2ce2b18d <<< does it mean my ssh key is wrong ? Feb 18 20:07:51 or does it mean that there is a bugs ? Feb 18 20:08:10 if it s the ssh key ... how can i change it on garage.maemo.org ? Feb 18 20:08:21 I've seen *one* 'brownout' in my live (1985) when one of the three phases of the big transformer for our quarter broke. Was funny Feb 18 20:08:42 s/live/life Feb 18 20:08:47 Khertan: you change it through garage settings, iirc, but that doesn't look like an ssh error Feb 18 20:09:06 Khertan: it seems more like the scp can't write on the destination folder Feb 18 20:10:02 though I just managed to scp a file Feb 18 20:10:22 maybe check your dput entry? Feb 18 20:11:18 line 7: Permission denied (publickey). Feb 18 20:11:33 hmmh, yeah Feb 18 20:11:34 can anyone tell me name of the file which if the n900's "lid" is open or closed? Feb 18 20:12:27 erf Feb 18 20:12:27 find /sys -name "*switch*" Feb 18 20:12:30 corsac: you have a ~/.dput.cf ? Feb 18 20:12:31 Khertan: @drop.maemo.org:/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-... Feb 18 20:12:34 which tells* Feb 18 20:12:40 I kind of failed on that sentence Feb 18 20:12:41 v13: I have, the problem lies in Khertan's :) Feb 18 20:12:49 oh :) Feb 18 20:12:58 Khertan: you should have a garage account, request permission to upload to extras Feb 18 20:13:07 and then configure your login in the .dput.cf file Feb 18 20:13:08 i have permission Feb 18 20:13:19 but seems that there is no key ;) Feb 18 20:13:20 Khertan: then correct the login = line in your .dput.cf :) Feb 18 20:13:22 in garage accout Feb 18 20:13:27 khertan: then configure either /etc/dput.cf or ~/.dput.cf Feb 18 20:13:30 the dput login line is ok Feb 18 20:13:35 in config file Feb 18 20:13:36 not it's not :) Feb 18 20:13:54 search for "your_garage_login_name" and put it there :) Feb 18 20:14:05 https://garage.maemo.org/account/ ← and do you have an ssh key there? Feb 18 20:14:19 Milo-: probably cover-switch Feb 18 20:14:28 grrr fucking cache Feb 18 20:14:29 :) Feb 18 20:14:30 thx Feb 18 20:14:34 DocScrutinizer says closed on both stages Feb 18 20:14:35 Milo-: dunno which "lid" you're talking bout Feb 18 20:15:06 DocScrutinizer the monitor is kind of a lid, like in laptops, covers the keyboard Feb 18 20:15:11 could not find a better word for it Feb 18 20:15:17 hence why I fail with google :) Feb 18 20:15:20 when the keyboard is open or closed ? Feb 18 20:15:32 when the keyboard is covered or not. Feb 18 20:15:43 slide? Feb 18 20:15:46 yes Feb 18 20:16:01 you want to do something when the state changes, or just find-out its state ? Feb 18 20:16:03 find /sys -name "*slide*" Feb 18 20:16:29 v13 I want to do something when the state changes Feb 18 20:16:37 then you should use dbus Feb 18 20:16:48 yep Feb 18 20:16:50 but for that the fastest way is probably to read /sys Feb 18 20:16:54 dbus is slow :P Feb 18 20:16:55 polling is deprecated Feb 18 20:16:56 the file is: /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state Feb 18 20:17:02 DocScrutinizer heh Feb 18 20:17:08 v13 thanks :) Feb 18 20:17:32 Check dbus for path='/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_slide', dbus_interface='org.freedesktop.Hal.Device', signal_name='PropertyModified',\ Feb 18 20:17:47 when you get such a signal, check read the file Feb 18 20:17:52 it should be the fastest way Feb 18 20:18:01 v13 thanks again :) Feb 18 20:18:03 yw Feb 18 20:18:11 U bet it is the *best* way Feb 18 20:18:24 still Permission denied (publickey). Feb 18 20:18:55 'scp -p /home/khertan/Bureau/vectormine/vectormine_1.0.2-4_armel.deb /home/khertan/Bureau/vectormine/vectormine_1.0.2-4.dsc /home/khertan/Bureau/vectormine/vectormine_1.0.2-4.changes khertan@khertan.net@drop.maemo.org:/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-nonfree/fremantle' Feb 18 20:18:58 seems not ok Feb 18 20:19:08 for me ... strange 2 @ for an url Feb 18 20:19:32 but didn't work with only khertan too Feb 18 20:19:53 your login is your garage login Feb 18 20:20:01 yep khertan@khertan.net Feb 18 20:20:03 :) Feb 18 20:20:16 no Feb 18 20:20:16 https://garage.maemo.org/users/khertan/ Feb 18 20:20:29 ah yep ... true Feb 18 20:20:29 :) Feb 18 20:20:34 but didn't work too Feb 18 20:20:58 when pasting the public gpg key ... does i should also put : -----BEGINPGPPUBLICKEYBLOCK----- Feb 18 20:21:05 no Feb 18 20:21:09 hem Feb 18 20:21:16 Khertan: you need an _ssh_ key Feb 18 20:21:18 not a GPG key Feb 18 20:21:27 * v13 congrats corsac Feb 18 20:21:27 look in .ssh/id_rsa.pub Feb 18 20:21:28 lol ... Feb 18 20:21:31 i'm tired Feb 18 20:21:32 !=) Feb 18 20:25:27 It s seems it s not my day Feb 18 20:25:33 thanks anyway for help Feb 18 20:25:34 :) Feb 18 20:27:00 An other question ... does have the right to use extras-assistant is the same that the one to use dput to send package ? Feb 18 20:32:23 YouHou !!! Feb 18 20:32:27 This works ! Feb 18 20:32:34 thanks a lot ! Feb 18 20:32:53 Successfully uploaded packages. Feb 18 20:33:58 hey folks :-) Feb 18 20:35:00 infobot, hows the weather? Feb 18 20:35:19 trying to upgrade to latest firmware release by installing mp-fremantle-generic-pr - Getting unmet dependencies: hildon-initscripts (= 1.26-1+0m5) but 1.26-1+dp1 is to be installed Feb 18 20:35:19 As a windows user not knowing more than basic apt stuff, how to go on? Feb 18 20:36:09 step 1) don't use apt directly if you only know basic apt stuff Feb 18 20:36:28 pwnguin: you're right. Over the air is failing anyway. Feb 18 20:36:44 its all over the air Feb 18 20:37:17 the application manager is your weapon of choice here Feb 18 20:37:37 pwnguin: app manager won't show update as long as mp-fremantle-generic-pr is uninstalled. Feb 18 20:38:14 how did that get uninstalled? Feb 18 20:38:26 Thats a really good question. Feb 18 20:38:39 is there any output from: dpkg -l | grep mp-fremantle Feb 18 20:38:43 wazd: Feb 18 20:38:48 ~weather EDDN Feb 18 20:38:51 Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2010.02.18 2020 UTC; Dew Point: 33 F (1 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.56 in. Hg (1001 hPa); Relative Humidity: 86%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 37 F (3 C); Visibility: 3 mile(s); Wind: from the ESE (110 degrees) at 5 MPH (4 KT) Feb 18 20:39:09 ShadowJK: Nope. Feb 18 20:39:19 DocScrutinizer: nah, I was just cheaptalikng :D Feb 18 20:39:27 dpkg -l "mp-fremantle-*" shows Feb 18 20:39:27 pn mp-fremantle-g (no description available) Feb 18 20:39:31 scr4ve: the good news is you can reflash the firmware Feb 18 20:39:49 DocScrutinizer: I'm one of the guys behind OMWeather, you really think I need to know weather? :D Feb 18 20:39:53 hm, where did the -g come from Feb 18 20:40:11 ShadowJK: what's pn mean for status? Feb 18 20:40:14 ShadowJK: I did not use terminal on my n900 before, so no idea. Feb 18 20:40:17 pwnguin, no idea Feb 18 20:40:53 scr4ve, you aren't in the UK are you? Feb 18 20:40:58 nope, germany. Feb 18 20:44:32 aah - downgrading the package works, wonderful :-) Feb 18 20:46:56 * satmd is stuck at Feb 18 20:47:00 bug 7598 Feb 18 20:47:01 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7598 sbox-MaemoKernel: apt deps broken out-of-the-box Feb 18 20:47:28 fakeroot dpkg -i ... works, but apt insists on mixing Feb 18 20:47:59 +arches Feb 18 20:49:17 pwnguin: pn = purged, no config files Feb 18 20:49:48 satmd: just build it in FREMANTLE_ARMEL Feb 18 20:50:10 k Feb 18 20:57:43 <|R> trying to apt-get install morphoquickpanorama i get : E: Handler silently failed ... ever seen that? Feb 18 21:04:56 when will UFO:X-COM be available for the N900? :P Feb 18 21:05:12 when you port it Feb 18 21:05:28 hmhm, did anyone have problems with the maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_3.2010.02-8_armel.tgz rootstrap? Feb 18 21:05:55 I just setup a target in scratchbox, and it looks broken wrt. package status: http://paste.debian.net/60425/ Feb 18 21:06:12 and trying to apt-get install anything fails because apt tries to use i386 sources Feb 18 21:06:17 for unknown reason Feb 18 21:06:34 dpkg-architecture replies arm/armel everywhere Feb 18 21:06:43 Corsac: had this too just minutes ago Feb 18 21:07:03 Sts told me to just use the FREMANTLE_ARMEL target Feb 18 21:07:03 satmd: so I guess you don't have a solution yet? :) Feb 18 21:07:06 mhmh ok Feb 18 21:07:16 trying to make a kernel? Feb 18 21:08:03 satmd: yes Feb 18 21:08:12 * satmd too Feb 18 21:08:16 Any clues as what to install to get something like crond on my n900? I would like to schedule a task which changes which sound profile to use depending on the time on the day. Feb 18 21:08:21 (basically I'd like to play with IPv6) Feb 18 21:08:30 wojci: alarmtool and libalarm Feb 18 21:08:40 well, in extras-devel, there's a kernel with ipv6 Feb 18 21:09:04 stanojr, Yeah, I googled and it said alarmtool as well. Where would I find it? Feb 18 21:09:27 stanojr, I mean I expect to have to tell apt-get about it. Feb 18 21:09:54 wojci: cehteh is working on dwimd that should be able to do what you want. And more Feb 18 21:10:48 satmd: uh, didn't know that Feb 18 21:11:16 * satmd wants g_serial instead Feb 18 21:12:26 DocScrutinizer, Its not what I need. I need crond. :P Feb 18 21:12:44 .. or more likely alarmd. Feb 18 21:13:13 satmd: any idea of the name? Feb 18 21:13:15 or maybe jebba :) Feb 18 21:13:34 'lo jebba Feb 18 21:13:45 wojci/DocScrutinizer thats rather xorAxAx project now :P Feb 18 21:14:28 hmhm, kernel-modules-maemo seems to have it Feb 18 21:14:47 wojci: dwimd looks like its what you want Feb 18 21:15:11 alarmd Feb 18 21:15:15 ? Feb 18 21:16:41 alarmd is generic. I'd guess dwimd is using alarmd (among other resources) to do such chnages like silencing depending on time of day, location,, whatever Feb 18 21:16:41 satmd: installing the kernel is enough to select it for boot or does it need to be flashed in some way? Feb 18 21:17:06 * cehteh didnt looked at the dwimd code yet :P Feb 18 21:17:12 It sounds like overkill. I just want to run a script two times a day. Feb 18 21:17:36 crond would be overkill too Feb 18 21:17:50 I am used to cron from linux. Feb 18 21:18:14 So no. Its pretty strange that it was not ported with the rest of the sw by nokia. Feb 18 21:18:26 there are reasons for that Feb 18 21:18:40 Battery draining I guess. Feb 18 21:18:40 cron is not always friendly on mobile devices Feb 18 21:18:45 cron is quite limited in some ways, nice for a server, bad for a phone Feb 18 21:19:04 cehteh: it's better than the appointments scheduler. Feb 18 21:19:11 I don't care. I want to have a choice to make my own mistakes. ;-) Feb 18 21:19:15 hehe Feb 18 21:19:17 could be Feb 18 21:19:40 * SpeedEvil accidentally went to an 'appointment' on the wrong day - as I can't set it biweekly. Feb 18 21:19:46 (well - taking out bin) Feb 18 21:20:06 still we managed to get a atd replacement for Openmoko, which btw is even more unforgiving to non adapted software due to the real suspend it enters Feb 18 21:20:17 inet6 addr: fe80::2bd:3aff:fee5:a1a7/64 Scope:Link Feb 18 21:20:19 \o/ Feb 18 21:20:50 SpeedEvil: lol :P Feb 18 21:21:39 hey Stskeeps :) Feb 18 21:21:41 DocScrutinizer: not saying it's not possible :P Feb 18 21:21:53 * jebba perusing http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_development/Licensing_change_requests Feb 18 21:22:00 jebba: cool Feb 18 21:22:21 i have like 6 old bugs to process tomorrow, but let's get this machine rolling :) Feb 18 21:22:26 PING www.kame.net (2001:200:0:8002:203:47ff:fea5:3085): 56 data bytes Feb 18 21:22:26 64 bytes from 2001:200:0:8002:203:47ff:fea5:3085: seq=0 ttl=58 time=383.728 ms Feb 18 21:22:28 \o/ Feb 18 21:23:28 and midori shows the dancing turtle Feb 18 21:25:52 erf, iproute needs libgcc1 >= 4.4 or 4.3, maemo has 4.2 Feb 18 21:26:01 one more thing to rebuild :) Feb 18 21:29:09 Oh well there you go, I think I'm setting a first Feb 18 21:29:23 I just told an Intel employee he was arrogant and rude on a public mailing list Feb 18 21:29:58 are you saying the RPM vs DEB discussion didn't sink low enough? Feb 18 21:30:28 I took a side from the RPM v Deb discussion to put Auke back in his place Feb 18 21:30:50 I won't let people call our debmaster a troll for no good reason Feb 18 21:36:55 crashanddie: nice post on the meego-dev list Feb 18 21:37:14 thanks Feb 18 21:40:45 * lardman just read the backlog Feb 18 21:40:46 :) Feb 18 21:40:53 Corsac: if you wonder about microb and ipv6... defaults to disabled in about:config Feb 18 21:41:02 * satmd also gives up building g_serial Feb 18 21:41:11 lardman: what time is it in the UK? Feb 18 21:41:21 crashanddie: \o/ Feb 18 21:41:23 21:40 Feb 18 21:41:35 63 secs late Feb 18 21:41:40 :p Feb 18 21:41:42 * satmd runs Feb 18 21:41:52 well rounded to the nearest 10min ;) Feb 18 21:42:00 satmd: double thanks :) Feb 18 21:42:18 trem? Feb 18 21:45:15 note to self: dont replace a plugin.so which is in use Feb 18 21:46:37 also don't try overwriting /bin/sh Feb 18 21:46:44 what happened to that chap, did he come back? Feb 18 21:47:56 hmm, scrolling through nick list to see if I could see his, and I see someone's called ponyofdeath Feb 18 21:47:59 interesting Feb 18 21:48:19 OMG! PONIES Feb 18 21:48:57 anyway, /me gets ready to go to work Feb 18 21:49:06 lardman: how does that feel eh? Feb 18 21:49:34 lardman: you're getting drunk, I'm getting in the shower. Feb 18 21:49:45 crashanddie: nah, no drinking tonight Feb 18 21:50:04 what? Why not? Feb 18 21:50:06 and as I was working from home I only showered about 6h ago too Feb 18 21:50:07 How's the wife doing btw? Feb 18 21:50:32 fine thanks, we've decided we should cut back during the week and blow our entire alcohol allowed units at the weekend Feb 18 21:50:45 bingedrinking, I think the gov is recommending it now Feb 18 21:50:48 :) Feb 18 21:51:01 I take it your office is now un-flooded? Feb 18 21:51:11 we've been moved to the 8th floor apparently Feb 18 21:51:23 hmm, would be a big flood there then :) Feb 18 21:51:27 and issued water-wings/ Feb 18 21:51:59 You know that Government-citisen SMS alert system they always gloat about? Feb 18 21:52:13 (which btw is something that should've existed 10 years ago?) Feb 18 21:52:27 When I was working in Switzerland I lived in a block of flats next to a river downstream from a damn, there was a big siren that might go off at any time and you had iirc 1min to get downstairs (4 stories) across the carpark and up a hill on the other side Feb 18 21:52:43 downstream a damn? Feb 18 21:52:49 anyway, your 8th floor thing reminded me Feb 18 21:52:53 downstream of a damn Feb 18 21:52:53 muscle memory kicking in there :P Feb 18 21:53:07 :) Feb 18 21:53:37 oops, dam, indeed Feb 18 21:53:46 Well, let's just say that they kinda use it (that SMS system) also to tell governments employees if it's safe to come to work or not Feb 18 21:54:15 which -- considering we're all contractors -- is just a way to save money Feb 18 21:54:43 surely they save money by you turning up anyway? Feb 18 21:54:51 or do they then get sued if you down in the flood? Feb 18 21:55:01 s/down/drown Feb 18 21:55:08 idunno Feb 18 21:55:11 bloody hell, perhaps I need a drink Feb 18 21:55:20 might improve the spelling :) Feb 18 21:55:35 yeah, I recommend a good old lemoncelli! Feb 18 21:55:50 is that alcoholic? Feb 18 21:56:18 yeah :) Feb 18 21:56:53 sorry, lemoncello Feb 18 21:56:59 I'll ask my Italian officemates about that, sounds like it comes from their neck of the woods Feb 18 21:57:19 now you're talking about yellow instruments Feb 18 21:57:40 Government-approved binge-drinking :D Feb 18 21:58:16 iirc last time they tried to raise alcohol prices in russia they ended up with the Red Army rolling in the tanks and shooting at the russian White House Feb 18 21:58:20 lardman: or amaretto di saronno Feb 18 21:58:21 well all the rules are about average consumption ;) Feb 18 21:58:36 ShadowJK: lol Feb 18 21:58:48 crashanddie: yuck, not fond of that almondy stuff Feb 18 21:58:54 tho Holly loves it Feb 18 21:59:10 then she's a good gal, and you're a propper english bastard :P Feb 18 21:59:24 anyone know what type of proximity sensor n900 has? (inductive, capacitive? magnetic? radar? sonar?) Feb 18 21:59:27 probably true, except I'm half Australian too :p Feb 18 22:01:07 Milo-: ir I beleive Feb 18 22:01:51 Milo-: you can watch is working by poiting a camera at it Feb 18 22:02:56 hard to define its type like that Feb 18 22:04:43 must be long wave IR if you can see it with a camera but not the eye Feb 18 22:05:02 nope. Feb 18 22:05:09 Longwave IR is thermal IR Feb 18 22:05:17 long-long wave then Feb 18 22:05:22 I have a long wave IR camera Feb 18 22:05:26 :) Feb 18 22:05:33 IR LEDs arejust outside the visible band Feb 18 22:05:37 typically anyway Feb 18 22:05:39 yeah Feb 18 22:05:52 it is IR Feb 18 22:06:07 'UV' LEDs typically just inside. Feb 18 22:06:55 near-IR they call it don't they? Feb 18 22:06:59 Milo-: not at all... Feb 18 22:07:13 Milo-: it flashes an ir led and looks for the relection Feb 18 22:07:34 lardman; yes Feb 18 22:07:41 the only reason it doesn't use visible is because that would annoy us humans... Feb 18 22:08:22 doh, is short-short wave IR then of course Feb 18 22:09:33 it's an LED + LDR pair I guess, from the look of it anyway Feb 18 22:09:50 assuming I'm looking at the right thing Feb 18 22:10:29 of all things it isn't is an LDR, but anyways ;) Feb 18 22:11:04 what is it then? Feb 18 22:11:19 phototransistor prolly Feb 18 22:11:19 datasheet would be so much clearer :) Feb 18 22:11:32 possibly an integrated module Feb 18 22:11:40 hmm, didn't get many phototransistors in my CDT classes :) Feb 18 22:11:45 * SpeedEvil has so much random crap to try with the n900. Feb 18 22:12:37 heya... Feb 18 22:12:39 what is soft poweroff Feb 18 22:12:40 ? Feb 18 22:13:27 usually when a computer powers itself off Feb 18 22:13:30 via software Feb 18 22:13:31 but if it's a photo resistor or transistor, shouldn't it go mental in the dark? Feb 18 22:13:38 lardman: photoresistors tend to be big long things, photodiodes/phototransistors/etc can be very small Feb 18 22:13:40 asj: http://sparkbangbuzz.com/cds-fet/cds-fet.htm - off-topic Feb 18 22:13:50 asj: ah ok Feb 18 22:13:55 Milo-: no - it's working of reflected light Feb 18 22:14:07 ah Feb 18 22:14:10 I see Feb 18 22:14:23 though I wonder how they stop incident near IR from triggering it? Feb 18 22:14:33 heh Feb 18 22:14:39 lardman: either high levels - or modulation Feb 18 22:14:41 I don't have any ir devices :( Feb 18 22:14:48 modulation for sure Feb 18 22:14:51 Milo-: all IRs Feb 18 22:14:58 Milo-: remote controls ratehr Feb 18 22:15:04 SpeedEvil: well my ear is hot so even if it's not reflective.... :) Feb 18 22:15:08 still, don't have any :P Feb 18 22:15:10 lardman: keep in mind the LED emits basically a single wavelength Feb 18 22:15:23 yep Feb 18 22:15:31 lardman: so you should be able to tune the sensor to it versus the broad ambient spectrum Feb 18 22:15:34 lardman: thermal IR (from humans) is in the ~10um range. The IR LED is in the 1um range wavelength. Feb 18 22:15:46 I was taking the mick don't worry :) Feb 18 22:15:46 lardman: though not if the human in question is on fire of course. Feb 18 22:16:07 how about, what causes vibration in n900? Feb 18 22:16:14 A little motor Feb 18 22:16:16 also keep in mind you can measure incident light before the pulse, so you just look for the increase if any and then decrease after the pulse Feb 18 22:16:17 I mean how to trigger such in own code? Feb 18 22:16:17 * cehteh actually wondered why one couldnt used the frontcam for all this things, proximity, brightness sensor and stuff Feb 18 22:16:17 with a weight on it Feb 18 22:16:21 what's the name of the x program? Feb 18 22:16:26 on maemo5? Feb 18 22:16:27 Milo-: the right way is to use mce to trigger it Feb 18 22:16:28 Yes I know how the vibrator works :P Feb 18 22:16:47 cehteh: the prox sensor can have very low standby current Feb 18 22:16:53 cehteh: the camera can't. Feb 18 22:16:55 frals: it feels so weird having the moral high-ground (re: post on mailing list) Feb 18 22:16:58 leaving the brightness sensor and proximity sensor out would given 3 euros more for the front cam ... meaning they could use one with much better quality :P Feb 18 22:17:02 cehteh: power consumption I bet, plus you need lgiht at night to see how far away your head is Feb 18 22:17:11 SpeedEvil but how to make such event? Feb 18 22:17:23 frals: it's a position I had never taken before, I might try it more often Feb 18 22:17:24 suppose they are exceptions, rather than events Feb 18 22:17:25 cehteh: you sure it's as much as 3 euro? Feb 18 22:17:33 cehteh: the front camera will have cost around 1 euro. The prox sensor and brightness sensor perhaps another 0.5 Feb 18 22:17:36 crashanddie: gotta be a first for everything ;) Feb 18 22:17:39 SpeedEvil: i dont mean to run the frontcam as cam .. but with some proper firmware this should be feasible Feb 18 22:17:47 cehteh: it's possible Feb 18 22:18:06 anyway, I'm off to work, talk later Feb 18 22:18:11 cu crashanddie Feb 18 22:18:12 cehteh: but you have to have the camera active a fair proportion of the time. And to read brightness from it - the CPU has to be largely active. Feb 18 22:18:19 well they could really spend a little more on the frontcam Feb 18 22:18:20 anyone knows what x terminal runs on maemo5? Feb 18 22:18:29 cehteh: with the prox sensor - you simply wait or an interrupt Feb 18 22:18:55 cehteh: preliminary tests indicate that it's not meeting the specs in the datasheet - by a _LONG_ way Feb 18 22:18:56 adalal: the term or the shell? Feb 18 22:19:04 term Feb 18 22:19:04 SpeedEvil: seem mouses .. they have basically small camera chips (16x16 pixel or even less) and run at very high fps and dont need much power Feb 18 22:19:09 cehteh: I need to get a proper lightbox setup Feb 18 22:19:11 lardman: term Feb 18 22:19:13 cehteh: sure. Feb 18 22:19:14 laser and ir mouses the ones without balls Feb 18 22:19:31 cehteh: and the camera doesn't do that. Feb 18 22:19:32 i bet one could design a camera which can be used for such purposes Feb 18 22:19:39 cehteh: and a custom camera would cost more Feb 18 22:19:44 adalal: is called "X Terminal" Feb 18 22:19:49 well too late for sorry. it is like it is Feb 18 22:20:04 cehteh: mobile phone cameras are _total_ commodities. Feb 18 22:20:16 lardman: how do you start it, on, say xephyr, on a remote computer? Feb 18 22:20:38 adalal: osso-xterm Feb 18 22:20:55 thanks Feb 18 22:21:27 SpeedEvil: well the main cam is certainly not that cheap Feb 18 22:21:38 cehteh: it's $35 as a spare part Feb 18 22:21:52 quite impressive for that Feb 18 22:21:56 cehteh: at least to authorised repairers. Feb 18 22:22:11 cehteh: so calling it about half that in volume probably isn't unreasonable. Feb 18 22:24:39 lardman: i can't get osso-xterm to start up on my computer's xephyr session... any idea why? Feb 18 22:26:27 adalal: no idea sorry, I don't use sb x86 target Feb 18 22:33:50 Hmm. Neat. Feb 18 22:34:25 you can run hildon-status-menu with DISPLAY exported to your laptop or wherever to see phone status. Feb 18 22:36:00 SpeedEvil: cool :> Feb 18 22:36:29 Oooh - wacky. Feb 18 22:36:32 hildon-home too. Feb 18 22:36:42 * SpeedEvil has icons and widgets all over his laptop Feb 18 22:36:44 hi all... i'm in the uk, some of my buddies that live in other countries tell me there's an n900 fw update. how come i can't get it here? nokia says it was released on feb 16th Feb 18 22:37:14 i got it yesterday Feb 18 22:37:21 ali1234: in the UK? Feb 18 22:37:25 yes Feb 18 22:37:25 Also uin the UK, and no update Feb 18 22:37:43 although last time i reflashed (PR1.1) the UK specific firmware was not available Feb 18 22:37:54 the UK specific firmware always seems to come later than the others Feb 18 22:38:11 yeah its pretty annoying. im not even british and i feel discriminated Feb 18 22:38:12 so i'm on international right now Feb 18 22:38:35 and i still got the 1.1.1 update a day later than other people Feb 18 22:38:41 ali1234 is there any difference? Feb 18 22:38:47 no idea Feb 18 22:38:53 no noticable ones Feb 18 22:38:56 i didn't go looking Feb 18 22:39:02 is the keybo Feb 18 22:39:11 kb layout the same* Feb 18 22:43:06 there are not that much fixes in 1.1.1 .. you dont need to hurry with the update Feb 18 22:43:39 unless you have wifi battery drain issues Feb 18 22:47:11 close escape there, nearly sneezed coffee over my N900 Feb 18 22:47:36 Your life sure is an exciting adventure. Feb 18 22:47:54 yeah, I thought you'd all be interested to hear the exciting news and all ;) Feb 18 22:49:39 * Arif burps Feb 18 22:56:33 anyone running an n900 on t-mobile in the usa? I don't seem to be getting 3g reception Feb 18 22:56:59 i am maher Feb 18 22:57:30 granted i have mine set to GSM only now, but i have no issues getting 3G when i need it Feb 18 22:57:31 i see all these bars and underneath a 2.5 - i assume that means I am on EDGE not 3G Feb 18 22:58:07 I'm on TMobile but not in the US ={ Feb 18 22:58:34 Xisdibik_n900: how do you toggle back and forth between gsm only? Feb 18 23:00:18 oo Feb 18 23:00:21 it's Friday! Feb 18 23:00:27 says mIRC o.o Feb 18 23:01:26 yeah, it's Friday :P Feb 18 23:01:31 been for an hour Feb 18 23:01:46 zomg Feb 18 23:01:50 stop living in the future! Feb 18 23:02:13 maher, in the phone section of settinhs, or there is an app in the repos to add it to the status area thing Feb 18 23:02:28 hmm Feb 18 23:02:35 the media player is hating me Feb 18 23:02:36 ;( Feb 18 23:03:18 Xisdibik_n900: thanks! why on earth don't they default to 3g? Feb 18 23:03:44 Xisdibik_n900: anyway - you probably saved me four hours of digging through the settings and google... Feb 18 23:03:47 maher: it's a complex answer - the cell-towers can broadcast hints Feb 18 23:03:58 as to signal levels the phone should switch at Feb 18 23:04:30 * Arif hands maher the 2G/3G switcher applet Feb 18 23:05:42 well - now it says 3g - we'll see if i can actually get some packets in or out.... Feb 18 23:06:18 oooOOOOoooo - now it says 3.5 !!!! Feb 18 23:07:26 so if i go somewhere where there is no 3g will i have to manually switch back to gsm? Feb 18 23:07:32 no Feb 18 23:07:40 wait Feb 18 23:07:43 did you set it to 3G or DUAL Feb 18 23:08:26 maher, it defaults to both i think, but i could be wrong, are you sure there is 3g in your area? Feb 18 23:08:55 well it says 3g now Feb 18 23:09:44 The default is "Dual", which switches between 2g and 3g depending on signal levels and network configuration Feb 18 23:20:22 nite all, sweet dreams Feb 18 23:25:36 likewise, night all Feb 18 23:29:29 hmmm.... skype seems happy but other internet thingsok - epc.tmobile.com doesn't work for me but internet2.voicestream.com works just fine Feb 18 23:43:30 wow Feb 18 23:43:46 * lcuk pokes wazd Feb 18 23:43:47 Someone has located nice korean 810 blog :) Feb 18 23:43:48 http://do1not3panic8.blogspot.com/ Feb 18 23:44:02 heh Feb 18 23:44:04 can you read it Feb 18 23:44:06 cos i cant Feb 18 23:48:48 lcuk: gtranslate it to your favourite language :) Feb 18 23:49:30 if i did that, i still would not understand it, there is something aluring about hearing a lady speak french lol Feb 18 23:49:38 lol Feb 18 23:49:56 hey there frals Feb 18 23:50:05 evening Feb 18 23:50:24 hows you? Feb 18 23:50:49 just got out of the bath, had a long but productive day Feb 18 23:51:01 managed to get rid of green flashes on startup of liqbase Feb 18 23:51:12 cool :) Feb 18 23:52:10 indeed, still not gone from everywhere, but it makes things a bit more comfortable Feb 18 23:54:47 hmpf, seems i cant get 2 gprs connections up anymore.. im almost certain i could do that before :< Feb 18 23:56:27 frals, ive had that fight many times, undo the commit Feb 18 23:56:52 ive not changed anything, but i suspect pr1.1.1 did Feb 18 23:57:47 frals, you have a dev device now dont you? Feb 18 23:58:11 yeah, had it not been 01 i wouldve reflashed it Feb 18 23:58:49 if you are comfortable flashing it, could you backport yourself to 1.1 or 1.0 and confirm Feb 18 23:59:41 it would be interesting to know really Feb 19 00:00:20 sounds like English though :-S Feb 19 00:04:16 frals pushes gits on the bus Feb 19 00:04:21 then laughs like a schoolgirl Feb 19 00:04:23 lol Feb 19 00:04:37 DocScrutinizer, which does Feb 19 00:05:04 is git in extras then Feb 19 00:05:06 or just devel Feb 19 00:05:17 think its devel not sure Feb 19 00:05:33 theres a few different ones as well Feb 19 00:05:51 had me confused as i had git-core on one device and just 'git' on the other and they didnt include the same stuff :P Feb 19 00:06:01 no Feb 19 00:06:29 and when i was using it Feb 19 00:06:35 i could only get the n8x0 version Feb 19 00:06:51 seems maemo.org/packages went to sleep now as well Feb 19 00:07:00 boo Feb 19 00:07:25 GeneralAntilles, do you know when -devel -testing came on line? Feb 19 00:07:42 lcuk, devel's been around forever Feb 19 00:07:44 guess i should take that as a sign i should head to bed as well Feb 19 00:07:52 -testing was created as part of the runnup for Maemo 5 Feb 19 00:07:59 nite everyone o/ Feb 19 00:07:59 So, August/September-ish? Feb 19 00:08:06 nite frals Feb 19 00:08:21 yeah most likely GeneralAntilles and id forgotten -devel and main repo Feb 19 00:09:29 too hard to decode, bbl Feb 19 00:14:03 irc://irc.freenode.net/bratwurst SUPPORT-CHANNEL Feb 19 00:15:32 anyone got eMMC benchmarks for the n900 with different filesystems? Feb 19 00:17:21 like ith fat or logfs or jffs2 ? Feb 19 00:17:29 with* Feb 19 00:19:01 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=504332#post504332 Feb 19 00:19:06 ^^ benchmarks Feb 19 00:19:38 The number that matters for a OS drive for a multitasking OS is the random read and write performance Feb 19 00:21:13 thanks ShadowJK \o Feb 19 00:21:18 5573.1 on nand vs 727.3 ext3 on emmc Feb 19 00:21:23 i didnt think they would be findable lol Feb 19 00:21:35 those threads are easy to lose your sanity let alone important info Feb 19 00:29:30 RST38h: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=535666#post535666 finished Feb 19 00:32:34 ~cehteh++ Feb 19 00:32:57 :) Feb 19 00:34:17 cehteh, package it! :P Feb 19 00:34:21 cehteh, could you add the build command/dependencies somewhere please Feb 19 00:34:29 yes, thats acceptable too ;) Feb 19 00:34:55 GeneralAntilles: i asked RST38h if he will package it together with xchat, he acknowledged that, makes more sense for me and less work Feb 19 00:36:48 lcuk: compiling is descriped in a earlier post on that thread, you need to unpack xchat in the same dir (apt-get source xchat) because i dont know if there is a offical -dev package or how to access the xchat devl headers Feb 19 00:37:09 the plugin on the post is without -g and -Os Feb 19 00:37:17 'vibrator is only active when the display is on' ? Feb 19 00:37:22 off Feb 19 00:37:23 is that backwards? Feb 19 00:37:32 oh Feb 19 00:37:36 * SpeedEvil missed the not Feb 19 00:37:52 i being pedantic there Feb 19 00:38:01 actually there is also a 'dimmed' state Feb 19 00:38:18 current software doesnt use it much (when its going off it goes through dim) Feb 19 00:38:39 ceh900, i think thats configurable anyway Feb 19 00:38:41 http://img.arkenklo.net/maemo_error.png Feb 19 00:38:47 on Maemo4 the "dim" state lasted much longer Feb 19 00:39:20 ToiletOil, classy! how did you manage that Feb 19 00:39:27 haha Feb 19 00:40:40 a bit of dbus magic Feb 19 00:41:24 you mean you played for this error? or it happened with normal reproducable steps Feb 19 00:41:48 cehteh, ive noticed a bug in your post Feb 19 00:42:02 its a 666 get, so we cannot install it Feb 19 00:42:12 nah, it's just a standard system notification, I issued it myself Feb 19 00:42:16 but it's pretty funny Feb 19 00:42:28 666 get? Feb 19 00:43:07 yeah cehtahyour post ends in 666 :p Feb 19 00:43:09 It's a 4chan thing. Feb 19 00:43:18 http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#dbus-send-notification Feb 19 00:43:23 cehteh, does it have a throttler? Feb 19 00:43:31 4chan /b/ is like TMO - but with more intellectual debate. Feb 19 00:44:33 GAN900: feel free to add one .. at least having to tap 1000 dialogs is nasty, i considered that too Feb 19 00:47:38 cehteh: told ya it's nasty Feb 19 00:47:56 cehteh: you Feb 19 00:47:59 cehteh: know Feb 19 00:48:02 cehteh: what Feb 19 00:48:04 cehteh: i Feb 19 00:48:05 haha Feb 19 00:48:06 cehteh: mean Feb 19 00:48:09 cehteh: ? Feb 19 00:48:17 /notify_mode -d Feb 19 00:49:07 on the other hand if you look at the morning at your device and you see what people wanted from you during night its nice Feb 19 00:49:11 nobody needst that Feb 19 00:49:21 i like it Feb 19 00:49:37 (hey i programmed it because *I* like it this way) Feb 19 00:50:17 I'd prefer a dedicated tab for such purpose, like URL-collector Feb 19 00:50:58 nice idea, where is your xchar plugin doing that? Feb 19 00:51:51 cehteh, yeah, very similar to Growl for that. Feb 19 00:52:27 actually it's called "URL Grabber" Feb 19 00:52:47 highlight grabber in this case rather :) Feb 19 00:55:39 * timeless_mbp cries Feb 19 00:55:50 * timeless_mbp looks for someone familiar w/ apache Feb 19 00:55:52 cehteh: don't forget to credit me for original idea when you implement it ;-) Feb 19 00:56:06 i rather dont Feb 19 00:57:04 yeah it's too simple Feb 19 00:57:06 well i had the original idea for your idea, which means a irc client which dispatches based on rules, not only channel tabs but you make destinations which can be multiple channels, regex matches and so on Feb 19 00:57:08 SpeedEvil, shortly after N900 was announced I started taking a 4chan approach to tmo. Drive-by-posting. When threads scroll off the first page I consider them dead Feb 19 00:57:25 ShadowJK: yeah - it's broken that way Feb 19 00:57:32 ShadowJK: as it encourages it Feb 19 00:57:35 alright, now I've managed to stream the camera of my n900 to my desktop, tunnel audio input, and I can also issue espeak commands via ssh. I think I'll set it up in the livingroom and see what the reactions are Feb 19 00:58:04 ToiletOil: but you lost your keyboard :) Feb 19 00:58:25 cehteh: who need a keyboard when you've got ssh Feb 19 00:58:40 hehe true Feb 19 00:59:01 the thing that annoys me most about tmo, is the thing where ppl are just trying to get highest post count, lots of pointless mesages, prob like 90 Feb 19 00:59:06 90% Feb 19 00:59:56 ToiletOil: don't forget the dangerous vib hum as soon as anybody approaches device :-P Feb 19 01:01:26 DocScrutinizer: I like a robotic "I can see you" a lot better Feb 19 01:02:12 "I got a poison sting!" BZZZZZZZZZZZ Feb 19 01:28:48 * timeless_mbp frowns Feb 19 01:28:55 so... no one wants to help me? Feb 19 01:31:26 I have this impression apache is like this behemoth steampunk machine, it has a zillion levers and switches and can do anything as long as you find someone to shovel the coal and operate the levers :/ Feb 19 01:33:23 ShadowJK: wanna help me anyway? Feb 19 01:33:24 ShadowJK: yeah, pretty much Feb 19 01:33:46 * timeless_mbp kicks tar for abuse of English Feb 19 01:33:49 Re. Feb 19 01:35:01 ToiletOil: are you familiar w/ apache? :) Feb 19 01:36:09 I'm not familiar with apache... I edited a apache 1.x config 9 years ago to make /~username/ work, or something silly like that.. Feb 19 01:36:43 timeless_mbp: only to some extent Feb 19 01:36:53 I use lighttpd on my server Feb 19 01:36:57 my problems are simple Feb 19 01:37:10 wanna try helping? :) Feb 19 02:01:00 * mtd takes it the n900's phone UI is not open-source, right? Feb 19 02:04:08 timeless_mbp what's up? didnt see scrollback Feb 19 02:04:25 may need to open ports if its firewall issue Feb 19 02:04:30 jebba900: i can't convince apache to run my scripts Feb 19 02:13:09 timeless_mbp: ok, msging you Feb 19 02:16:52 In this page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Porting_Software/Redesigning_From_Maemo_4_to_Maemo_5#Dialogs Anyone knows what is the Qt widget used to render the line separating each section of the dialog? Feb 19 02:17:06 The horizontal line. Feb 19 02:17:57 http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/classes.html Feb 19 02:18:56 ... Feb 19 02:19:01 fureddo, qframe maybe Feb 19 02:19:04 http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qframe.html Feb 19 02:19:11 http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/images/frames.png Feb 19 02:19:11 timeless_mbp: fixed http://ec2-72-44-51-255.compute-1.amazonaws.com/index.cgi Feb 19 02:19:13 ciao Feb 19 02:19:39 Yeah, looks like so. Thanks! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Feb 19 02:59:57 2010