**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 20 02:59:57 2010 Feb 20 03:00:12 you can .. well maybe with some limited functionality Feb 20 03:01:03 cehteh: not even w/ limited functionality Feb 20 03:01:22 being able to charge the battery is essential, especially when the battery is needed even when on AC power Feb 20 03:03:33 /var/lib/gconf/system/osso/dsm/display/%gconf.xml Feb 20 03:03:39 .. pff Feb 20 03:38:06 and tomorrow we learn about unicode normalization, fun fun fun. Feb 20 04:37:25 ~ping Feb 20 04:37:26 ~pong Feb 20 04:40:21 * GeneralAntilles fails Feb 20 04:41:45 ping Feb 20 04:41:51 you're good :)_ Feb 20 04:41:56 thanks guys ! :) Feb 20 04:42:40 sorry about that Feb 20 04:42:50 last night we had a few trolls join the channel Feb 20 04:43:04 well, they were going all over freenode, so I just disabled unregistered users Feb 20 04:43:25 I am not sure, here is the right place. I am currently writing a GTK application in C that should run on both debian and maemo-which-one-is-one-the-n810-again Feb 20 04:43:34 diablo Feb 20 04:43:43 if it happens in the future, you might want to create an account with freenode, it's fast, easy and free, and most channels are implementing the ban on unregistered users Feb 20 04:43:53 crashanddie: that's fine I understand Feb 20 04:44:01 I will if i need to come again Feb 20 04:44:05 sure Feb 20 04:44:16 solution: never leave! Feb 20 04:44:50 I am trying to draw something gnuplot-like in a window Feb 20 04:45:07 I am currently using a GtkImage with GdkImage as a backend Feb 20 04:45:22 But I am unable to draw text to this Image. Feb 20 04:45:43 In fact, I am unable to get a valid GdkDrawable from the GdkImage Feb 20 04:46:38 does someone have an idea of what I might be doing wrong ? Feb 20 04:46:40 erikOH: I don't it's possible tbh Feb 20 04:47:24 erikOH: you might want to ask in #gtk as they know the subsystem more precisely (I would recommend getting your app to work on debian first, and then modify it to work with maemo) Feb 20 04:48:06 or, you could attempt using liqbase. It's a very high-speed low-level library. It doesn't provide nice windows like Gtk, but it has some fun features if you want to go bare-metal Feb 20 04:48:25 I am trying to make it work on debian first but chechking periodically everything is fine on diablo because I don't want to have to redo everything :) Feb 20 04:49:47 I'll go ask on #gtk, they will probably have a better insight Feb 20 04:49:50 thank you Feb 20 04:54:04 mmm, only 9 user on #gtk, I am not sure I'll get an answer Feb 20 04:54:13 So I'll try my luck one more time here :) Feb 20 04:54:34 I also tried to use Cairo to have more drawing functionnalities. Feb 20 04:55:35 All exemple code I saw online use cairo to directly draw to the (main) GtkWindow and not in a given widget Feb 20 04:57:12 Again, it seems that cairo need to have a valid GdkDrawable which 'standard widgets' seem not to have Feb 20 04:58:59 Do you know how to use cairo to draw in something smaller than a whole window ? Feb 20 05:05:33 are the users of this chan mainly EU-based ? Feb 20 05:05:50 Mainly Feb 20 05:07:53 * SpeedEvil is Scottish. Feb 20 05:08:18 * SpeedEvil holds up a deep-fried pizza. Feb 20 05:12:20 SpeedEvil: You don't afraid with your pizza, I saw (and unfortunately ate) a honey-bread sandwich with vinegar based sauce. After that, I can see all kind of food :) Feb 20 05:16:59 does it have haggis as a topping? Feb 20 05:17:44 * SpeedEvil is sort-of-pining after a truly massive unhealthy pizza. Feb 20 05:17:58 Currently dieting. Feb 20 05:18:42 Made a bargain with myself that I'd get the n900 if I committed to diet :) Feb 20 05:27:14 for how long? til the n910 comes out? :D Feb 20 05:27:38 lol Feb 20 05:28:53 ds3: until duke nukem forever comes out :) Feb 20 05:29:35 ds3, sounds like until right about now. ;) Feb 20 05:45:32 Ah! I kind of got the problem Feb 20 05:46:25 It seems that to get a valid GDKDRAWABLE, you need the window to be onscreen. It seems there is no offscreen rendering possible Feb 20 05:46:38 (or perhaps it is needed to write on a special offscreen buffer) Feb 20 06:04:37 omg, christaexport is back! Feb 20 06:04:50 ~ping Feb 20 06:04:51 ~pong Feb 20 06:05:17 * shamus hates his very bad battery life on his n800. with the radios off and screen blackign fast and only the stock clock home applet the batery dies with in a day Feb 20 06:08:22 moo all Feb 20 06:08:51 crashanddie: is he being smart, and witty, and analytical again? Feb 20 06:09:28 RST38h: we must not be talking about the same person. I was thinking about the religious bum Feb 20 06:10:45 p Feb 20 06:11:05 oh, religious too? Feb 20 06:11:11 * RST38h shocked and awed Feb 20 06:15:00 http://gizmodo.com/5476040/motorola-doesnt-love-android-that-much-after-all Feb 20 06:15:01 hehe Feb 20 06:15:46 Feb 20 06:20:37 erikOH: I think Speed is pretty cool guy. eh files buggies and doesnt afraid of anything. Feb 20 06:20:53 god am I happy I moved that "where are you from" thread to off-topic Feb 20 06:20:59 * crashanddie waves zerojay Feb 20 06:21:13 waves at goddamnit Feb 20 06:21:14 * zerojay waves. Feb 20 06:29:00 crash: yea, I remember now. he has found our Lord. And it is not the Tentacled One. Feb 20 06:29:11 heya, zerojay Feb 20 06:31:01 RST38h: Hiya. Feb 20 06:31:32 wazd: moorning. Feb 20 06:31:33 Morning all Feb 20 06:31:42 Rst38h: moo Feb 20 06:32:43 Rst38h: I've been stuck at the country for like 2 hours yesterday) Feb 20 06:33:13 Rst38h: car refused to drive thru all that freaking snow Feb 20 06:45:57 wazd: I have been seriously considering subway but, strangely, the bus kinda worked out Feb 20 06:46:36 hmm, I was trying to parse that as options for food Feb 20 06:46:45 but it would appear you are discussing transport Feb 20 06:46:54 wazd: "almost" no traffic from Rublevka to Sokol Feb 20 06:52:31 wazd: btw http://gizmodo.com/5476086/the-opposite-of-photoshop (taxidermy) Feb 20 06:58:53 so hi people, I'm trying to use qtirreco and I have some trouble identifying whether it is sending IR codes or not Feb 20 06:59:18 additionally, the device I want to send IR codes to is not in the LIRC DB Feb 20 06:59:39 I've purchased an USB-UIRT and used irrecord on a laptop system to record the commands Feb 20 07:00:10 I guess these are "raw" commands. Is there some discussion avenue for me to ask questions about the IR hardware and LIRC on N900? Feb 20 07:03:31 * Stskeeps headdesks at tmo Feb 20 07:03:59 Stskeeps: sounds like an extreme version of faceplam. Feb 20 07:05:33 it is people going absolutely balistic over not having info about maemo6 or meego on n900 Feb 20 07:05:57 while not understanding that they are still going to get the apps from this Feb 20 07:06:52 that meego announcement was a load of FAIL. Feb 20 07:06:56 in my opinion Feb 20 07:07:45 in what regard? yes, some things could be done bette Feb 20 07:07:45 r Feb 20 07:07:48 but the premise is quite good Feb 20 07:08:06 I am referring to the announcement. Feb 20 07:08:10 not the concept Feb 20 07:08:31 otoh, do you have a better idea how it could be done without leaking? :P Feb 20 07:08:43 just do like Apple does Feb 20 07:08:52 let the thing leak to NY Times or whatever Feb 20 07:08:54 then deny it Feb 20 07:09:22 people are interested and demand answers, make a big announcement at a press conference. Feb 20 07:09:30 BETTER AND BETTER Feb 20 07:09:33 * lucent :) Feb 20 07:19:33 Stskeeps: I tend to agree with hrw here Feb 20 07:19:46 in what regard? Feb 20 07:19:50 Stskeeps: About "all that has been released is a mailing list and an empty web site" Feb 20 07:20:00 Stskeeps: So, let us wait and see Feb 20 07:20:03 yes, that's positive and negative Feb 20 07:20:50 Once the code base is made available to developers, it will become clear what this thing is Feb 20 07:21:10 probably moblin and "can you help us make it run qt4.6 maemo apps" Feb 20 07:21:11 ;) Feb 20 07:21:24 no, no Feb 20 07:21:36 I do not think qt will be a problem. But ARM probably will. Feb 20 07:21:52 judging by the ARM expertises on OBS side, that part won't be a bad problem Feb 20 07:22:03 we have lbt and ScriptRipper, so that helps Feb 20 07:22:40 Also, I asked at #meego who will supply the baseline end-user apps and got ignored by the Intel guy, twice Feb 20 07:23:09 i think that's 'typical' differentitation Feb 20 07:23:12 Stskeeps: It is not the OBS but the Moblin itself being basically an Atom-specific distro. Feb 20 07:23:18 right Feb 20 07:23:41 wow Feb 20 07:23:54 With Intel having zero interest in porting it to something else, I guess Feb 20 07:24:12 RST38h: i was happy to see nokia is bringing core and middleware developers. Feb 20 07:24:14 I just grabbed my N900 by it's Nokia CP-321 case, and managed to move the case in such a way as to fling the N900 out of the case flying across my room Feb 20 07:24:17 * lucent :x Feb 20 07:24:20 so i think i have a hint about where it'll come from. Feb 20 07:24:37 lucent: coool! so how far did it fly? Feb 20 07:24:49 RST38h: wasn't running n900fly at the time Feb 20 07:24:55 approximately 4 meters Feb 20 07:25:00 it survived. Feb 20 07:25:03 I think? Feb 20 07:25:06 probably a record too Feb 20 07:25:33 I'm swearing up a storm here at my clumsy actions Feb 20 07:25:51 you know what I'm really confused about the state of IR on N900 Feb 20 07:26:06 What is there to be confused about? Feb 20 07:26:08 lucent: i think people need to write something saner than irreco Feb 20 07:26:14 uh, yeah Feb 20 07:26:20 The old gtk irreco does not work any more. Feb 20 07:26:29 not at all? Feb 20 07:26:32 The new qt irreco kinda works but is so buggy that you do not wanna use it Feb 20 07:26:33 does anyone know how do I use N900's console? Feb 20 07:26:38 lirc works Feb 20 07:26:46 I just used irrecord on USB-UIRT from a laptop to record a remote, and generate a config file Feb 20 07:26:52 I used that config file on my N900 with qtirreco Feb 20 07:26:54 So, the easiest solution would be to write a python app that talks to Lirc Feb 20 07:26:55 I mean n900 serial connection Feb 20 07:26:58 no response from the intended device Feb 20 07:27:13 ptl: you need a special connection to the pads below the battery Feb 20 07:27:17 which ones, i don't know Feb 20 07:27:18 ptl: serial connection? I don't know of any wired breakout, you'd want like a bluesmirf or other bluetooth Feb 20 07:27:47 unless you really, really, really need a serial console as Stskeeps describes Feb 20 07:28:11 Stskeeps: also I can't find a solid answer about whether the N900 IR is transmit-only in hardware Feb 20 07:28:16 it is as Stskeeps describes, I want to know what kind of special connection is that Feb 20 07:28:25 lucent: it can't be Feb 20 07:28:35 why it can't be? Feb 20 07:28:44 in the forums everybody said it is Feb 20 07:28:50 that's what most IR protocols require as far as i know Feb 20 07:29:09 and so I'm still looking for concrete answer about this ;) Feb 20 07:29:12 when you send something over IR it can detect that something is recieving it Feb 20 07:29:24 or that it's just transmiting into the air Feb 20 07:29:35 it's if IRDA Feb 20 07:29:39 but it's not IRDA-compatible Feb 20 07:29:40 really how Feb 20 07:29:45 it's consumer IR, CIR Feb 20 07:29:59 lucent: i think it's only transmit only, afaik Feb 20 07:30:17 well, it's speculation Feb 20 07:30:24 I value your opinion of course Feb 20 07:30:35 okay so I'm pointing my N900 with qtirreco loaded, pointed this at a web cam Feb 20 07:30:46 I don't see any action in the webcam output Feb 20 07:30:48 no blinky thing Feb 20 07:31:19 either webcam has a fancy IR filter or it's just not happening Feb 20 07:32:10 fancy filter. Feb 20 07:32:18 silicon is transparent to IR Feb 20 07:32:32 huh? Feb 20 07:32:34 and there as special addons to it to make it even detect it Feb 20 07:32:53 but pure silicon as such is ideally transparent for IR light Feb 20 07:33:13 not the N900's webcam mind you I'm using Logitech 9000 Pro on a laptop Feb 20 07:33:24 that's why nobody is doing thermal cams with silicn based sensor Feb 20 07:33:51 lucent: it's same silicon Feb 20 07:34:01 lucent: try it on known working remote Feb 20 07:34:13 jacekowski: unfortunately I don't own a remote control, heh Feb 20 07:34:25 I will try with my camera phone which I know shows infrared on its cam Feb 20 07:34:52 ya it's dark Feb 20 07:34:55 no blinky light Feb 20 07:35:20 need to debug this somehow Feb 20 07:35:47 jacekowski, hm, are you saying n900's webcam cannot see IR? because it can. Feb 20 07:35:51 s/web// Feb 20 07:35:52 flux meant: jacekowski, hm, are you saying n900's cam cannot see IR? because it can. Feb 20 07:36:47 i meant that in general cameras are less sensitive to IR than to any other colours Feb 20 07:37:12 that may be correct, but usually you don't point a camera towards lights Feb 20 07:37:23 that's because silicon is transparent to ir Feb 20 07:37:36 rather towards surfaces that reflect light. but in this case he's pointing the camera directly at an IR light source. Feb 20 07:37:36 fact is that most webcam / camera sensors are sensitive to IR, and there is an IR-block filter because of this Feb 20 07:37:50 lucent: only to near ir Feb 20 07:37:57 you got me there Feb 20 07:38:02 near-IR like in remote controls Feb 20 07:38:09 not IR like in thermal imaging cameras Feb 20 07:38:10 yes Feb 20 07:38:31 for my purposes I'm in error to call this IR Feb 20 07:38:47 i've read article about a bloke claiming that he can see ir Feb 20 07:38:59 *facepalm* Feb 20 07:39:00 what is the area of light between IR and visible light called? Feb 20 07:39:02 but there was no source Feb 20 07:39:20 flux: usually referenced "near-Infrared" Feb 20 07:39:35 NIR or just "IR" if you're some dumb skunk like myself? Feb 20 07:40:04 anyhow I don't see output from my N900 which would explain why the television isn't doing anything when I point 'n shoot Feb 20 07:40:27 it's broken Feb 20 07:41:31 mine works (irreco) Feb 20 07:41:46 so it's not an pr-related problem :) Feb 20 07:41:57 flux: I'd like to quiz you some more on that ;) Feb 20 07:42:15 flux: are you using irreco? qtirreco? which release of Maemo? Feb 20 07:42:18 it's N900 right? Feb 20 07:42:25 irreco, pr1.1.1, n900 Feb 20 07:42:42 lucent, do you have lircd running? Feb 20 07:42:50 mine says Nokia N900 / Maemo 5 / Version 3.2010.02-8.002 Feb 20 07:43:00 flux: lircd runs when qtirreco is active Feb 20 07:43:06 otherwise it is not running Feb 20 07:43:34 mine is running always Feb 20 07:43:56 actually, scratch that Feb 20 07:43:58 it's not :-) Feb 20 07:44:16 I just remember that I had started it manually when debugging it when setting it up Feb 20 07:45:22 hm, mine actually says '1.2009.44-1' still. it may be related to the fact that I've done all upgrades with apt.. Feb 20 07:45:32 debugging huh, what commands can you use to send output? Feb 20 07:45:41 iirc irsend Feb 20 07:45:49 I don't remember how to use it, though. Feb 20 07:45:50 okay Feb 20 07:46:14 that's okay I can manpage once I know where to look :) Feb 20 07:46:48 my real problem when setting that up was that I had a broken remote configuration file there Feb 20 07:46:57 lirc wouldn't even start. but apparently yours does, so that's not it. Feb 20 07:48:20 "irsend -a localhost 8765 -d /dev/lirc0" .... Feb 20 07:48:33 pretty sure those are optional.. Feb 20 07:48:48 or atleast alternative Feb 20 07:49:06 (why would it need both?) Feb 20 07:51:10 oh yeah interesting Feb 20 07:51:34 so I'm looking more into how qtirreco starts lircd because I need to know what the name of the remote config is to use irsend with it Feb 20 07:51:53 also I am drinking another glass of Havens Velvet wine Feb 20 07:52:00 * lucent anticipates success Feb 20 07:55:15 flux: qtirreco is just failing hard I think, (irsend -a localhost:8765 LIST "" "") has no output Feb 20 07:55:33 flux: do you have your N900 handy? if you would be so kind to run that command as appropriate with your configuration Feb 20 07:55:51 does it output a list of remote info when you do: irsend LIST "" "" Feb 20 07:57:59 it does Feb 20 07:58:09 okay thanks a heap mate Feb 20 07:58:10 apparently for each command Feb 20 07:58:22 mine outputs nothing meaning that qtirreco is failing hard Feb 20 07:58:30 hm Feb 20 07:58:34 * lucent :) Feb 20 07:58:53 shouldn't irsend work regardless of how qtirreco is failing or not? Feb 20 07:59:12 irsend being part of lircd Feb 20 07:59:38 in other words, you need to have irsend working before qtirreco can work Feb 20 08:00:01 flux: qtirreco is responsible for starting lircd in my observation here Feb 20 08:00:28 so if qtirreco is not starting lircd with the right configurations, it won't have the remotes defined, nothing can be referenced when you go to send a command Feb 20 08:00:36 just the working hypothesis Feb 20 08:00:45 lucent, what happens when you /etc/init.d/lirc start as root? Feb 20 08:00:55 flux: do I dare try it? Feb 20 08:01:01 * lucent looks squeamish Feb 20 08:01:21 don't give me any of your "SURE WHAT COULD GO WRONG AS ROOT?" nonsense! Feb 20 08:01:57 suuure, nothing bad will happen! I promise! (disclaimer: promises as disclosed here do not holding) Feb 20 08:02:12 ngh, too much editing error Feb 20 08:02:41 right up there with "how is babby formed?' Feb 20 08:02:44 * lucent =) Feb 20 08:02:56 * RST38h has a solution for lucent's troubles Feb 20 08:03:19 Find Khertan here. Get him interested in writing a UI for lirc in Python. Feb 20 08:03:35 RST38h: is that so? Feb 20 08:03:54 no. =) Feb 20 08:03:54 "WARNING: config file contains no valid remote control definition" Feb 20 08:03:56 But try. Feb 20 08:03:59 blarg Feb 20 08:16:01 I have a QDialog that have many components. I would like the QDialog to be "pannable" or "panningable"... How can I enable that? Feb 20 08:22:46 Is there a way to get a shortcut on the desktop for sending a new mail message? Feb 20 08:22:57 probably. Feb 20 08:27:36 * RST38h genocydes the /usr/lib/locale Feb 20 08:30:00 But the sneaky locales hid in locale-cache Feb 20 08:42:44 lovely, -14C and windy as hell... looking forward to trying to get home in this weather >_< Feb 20 08:45:39 flux: would you dare try qtirreco ? Feb 20 08:45:40 :) Feb 20 08:47:45 Maemo 6 and/or MeeGo on N900: Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 Feb 20 08:48:07 frals: -10oC, no wind, lights out Feb 20 08:48:27 light snow, perfect Feb 20 08:48:48 Stskeeps: lemme guess, Prozac? =) Feb 20 08:49:01 RST38h: alcoholism Feb 20 08:50:12 Stskeeps: I will read your post in its entirety :) Feb 20 08:50:28 Stskeeps: Yea, that works as well. Feb 20 08:52:58 light snow ? yesterday/last night we got again plenty of snow, you couldn't guess that a huge tractor cleared the driveway yesterday afternoon... Feb 20 08:54:25 "driveway" in this case is slightly longer than 10m too.. Feb 20 08:55:06 "driveway" in this case is slightly longer than 10m too.. http://tinyurl.com/ybe97kn Feb 20 08:55:53 mashiara: Well, main bulk of snow fell yesterday night, traffic collapse and all. Feb 20 08:56:50 yep... I need to go out to the -20C and wind to clear the road soon... Feb 20 08:58:38 i am astonished by the fact people spend day in day out complaining in forums about maemo6 on n900 and meego, yet they can't concentrate for a moment to read one long post. Feb 20 08:58:52 * mashiara is not Feb 20 08:59:05 Stskeeps: Most recent internets users are write-only Feb 20 08:59:14 with a severe care of ADD Feb 20 08:59:22 Stskeeps: they do not read. but you can try posting a picture. Feb 20 08:59:36 Stskeeps: if there is enough pink at the picture, some may pay attention Feb 20 08:59:42 you need a short catchy slogan Feb 20 09:00:37 human skin is more beige than pink Feb 20 09:00:46 pink ponies! Feb 20 09:00:48 ok, non-dark-ethnic-groups at least Feb 20 09:00:55 * RST38h proposes COVER IT WITH ASPHALT! Feb 20 09:01:26 wow Feb 20 09:01:31 o_O Feb 20 09:01:34 * RST38h blames remote controls, what a devilish invention Feb 20 09:01:35 * mashiara wonders if there is omgizer in the internets Feb 20 09:02:24 * thresh waves Feb 20 09:02:34 mashiara: Yes. It is called The Tub Girl Feb 20 09:02:46 I was thinking of something else Feb 20 09:02:50 does it have enough pink? Feb 20 09:02:51 or beige Feb 20 09:02:57 oh it does Feb 20 09:03:28 back in the day when consumer internet was new some joker made this service where you could enter url of a webpage (in finnish) and it converted it to a form of "youth speak" Feb 20 09:03:40 so that the hoi polloi could better understand it Feb 20 09:04:06 was that before or after AOL gave access to USENET? Feb 20 09:04:23 * mashiara does not follow AOL history Feb 20 09:04:34 See? Recent convert. Feb 20 09:05:01 \o/ I see blinky from my N900 Feb 20 09:05:06 qtirreco is retarded. Feb 20 09:05:13 argh! Feb 20 09:05:17 finnish... I abused my fathers access to the university modem bank back when windows 3.0 was new Feb 20 09:05:29 no consumer internet at all then... Feb 20 09:05:34 * RST38h remembers a long discussion on whether it is ethical to experiment on frogs, predictably switching toward experimentation on the French, predictably ending up with everyone agreeing that AOL users are ok to experiment on Feb 20 09:06:37 but back to the point, there probably exists this kind of service that stskeeps could use to translate his well written and thought out post to something the hoi polloi might better relate to Feb 20 09:07:09 mashiara: Nope. You have not got my original point. Feb 20 09:07:11 mashiara: it would translate into "STFU" Feb 20 09:07:12 :P Feb 20 09:07:23 mashiara: It is not that they do not understand. It is that they DO NOT READ Feb 20 09:07:23 ♥ Feb 20 09:07:24 which would not get the message through Feb 20 09:08:37 RST38h: tl;dr "too long, didn't read" Feb 20 09:09:11 it's quite common. Feb 20 09:09:14 lucent: Where "too long" is anything >3 sentences Feb 20 09:09:30 more like 6 words if you Feb 20 09:09:30 These are people who actually *use* Twitter Feb 20 09:09:33 tl;dr. Feb 20 09:10:12 Oh well, someone has to do dishes, deliver pizza, and write HTML Feb 20 09:10:27 yarrrr so hey how do I contribute to qtirreco anyways? Feb 20 09:10:37 I see a lot of resources for irreco but qtirreco doesn't list many Feb 20 09:10:49 you do not Feb 20 09:11:03 lucent: you write your own UI because qtirreco sucks a lot Feb 20 09:11:09 if qtirreco is "actively maintained" and irreco is not.... according to rumor Feb 20 09:11:18 is irreco somehow delinquint? Feb 20 09:11:22 it is just a bunch of buttons sending lirc commands Feb 20 09:11:29 oh hmmm Feb 20 09:11:30 lucent: irreco maintainers all quit Feb 20 09:11:45 well if that's a fact I'm glad to hear it Feb 20 09:12:10 all I gather from forums and searches via Google is that nobody knows what the hell is going on Feb 20 09:12:44 * RST38h has seen a tmo post "We have all quit, please turn the light out" Feb 20 09:12:54 About the original gtk+ irreco Feb 20 09:13:00 ah Feb 20 09:13:25 it's too bad I just popped $60 fo this USB-UIRT to read the remote codes Feb 20 09:13:37 that part is done, now how to send them back out... bash script time? Feb 20 09:14:15 lucent: Once again: Feb 20 09:14:28 * lucent :P "poke someone who knows python" Feb 20 09:14:30 yar yar Feb 20 09:14:33 lucent: There is Python. Python has bindings to Hildon/Gtk+ Feb 20 09:14:57 lucent: So, just put something together in Python. Alternatively, you can do it in C/C++ but it will take longer Feb 20 09:15:15 really my skill level is that of an administrator Feb 20 09:15:32 I don't have the enjoyment to dig into deep coding exercises Feb 20 09:16:14 I'll buy a USB-UIRT for anyone willing to mantain something Qt4.6ish Feb 20 09:19:06 lucent: as admin you knwo scripting, python is a very nice language you will pick it up fast if you just try Feb 20 09:19:43 mashiara: I appreciate your words of encouragement Feb 20 09:19:54 I hold a deep resentment for "meaningful whitespace" Feb 20 09:20:09 don't, it's a good idea IMO Feb 20 09:20:43 well that's just the thing I don't agree and it's not a technical discussion, I don't enjoy meaningful whitespace and Python requires it Feb 20 09:20:43 since it forces the code to be at least somewhat readable Feb 20 09:22:30 we agree to disagree Feb 20 09:22:42 yeah Feb 20 09:23:24 my main problem with python is since I work a lot on PHP switching between the two tends to mess my flow Feb 20 09:23:51 mashiara: yeah, switching between languages can be disturbing Feb 20 09:24:09 why? Feb 20 09:24:20 I'm trying hard here to contact Niko Rehnback (qtirreco maintainer) and nothing Feb 20 09:24:20 mashiara: I switch a lot between Java, PHP and C and often get confused between function names and argument lists Feb 20 09:24:24 no contact info Feb 20 09:24:37 you folks are right Feb 20 09:24:44 dead end need to do something else Feb 20 09:24:58 lucent: well, one problem with qtirreco is Qt that does not quite work (try pressing buttons) Feb 20 09:24:59 RST38h: just because the way each language behaves a bit different? Feb 20 09:25:07 lucnet: I doubt Niko can help with this one :( Feb 20 09:25:20 crashanddie: never been a problem Feb 20 09:25:53 I need to find out why QtIrreco does not properly init lirc Feb 20 09:26:09 mostly after working on python for a day I forget semicolons in PHP, we use quite strict code formatting standards in our PHP projects so the ,eaningfull whitespace is not a problem and out of habit I use if (statement): in python too Feb 20 09:26:09 It does for me Feb 20 09:26:17 and even if I manually go in with lirc config files to make it reference the remote configs that I want, how to make QtIrreco trigger those Feb 20 09:26:33 You probably have to 1) remove qtirreco, 2) remove irreco 3) cleanup Feb 20 09:26:45 4) purge 5) reinstall qtirreco Feb 20 09:26:56 RST38h: you're awesome dude, you're the best we've ever had Feb 20 09:27:13 That should make it kinda work, except that pressing buttons will cause an instant visual clusterfuck Feb 20 09:27:30 I can do "irsend -a localhost:8765 SEND_ONCE Zenith_H1953W KEY_POWER" and it does right Feb 20 09:27:38 how to trigger that from QtIrreco? Feb 20 09:27:58 RST38h: I tried apt-get remove --purge qtirreco ; apt-get install qtirreco Feb 20 09:28:14 lucent: You also have to remove irreco (old one) and lirc Feb 20 09:28:21 it's kind of hung and doesn't actually feed my configs into lirc Feb 20 09:28:25 oh irreco is not installed Feb 20 09:28:33 lirc got config purged with qtirreco Feb 20 09:28:43 I guess I have procrastinated enough, time to go fire up the Husqvarna and clear the road... Feb 20 09:29:07 Actually, mashiara is right Feb 20 09:29:11 * RST38h out Feb 20 09:33:07 is there an easy way how to install telepathy qt4 in madde? Feb 20 09:53:01 jreznik: don't know, not in my interests to try it Feb 20 09:53:35 i'm whacking away at irreco problem Feb 20 09:57:18 ok, going to try it in scratchbox... but I like madde as it is really easy to work with it Feb 20 10:03:10 flux: I don' Feb 20 10:03:28 flux: I don't figure you're awake and at the console, anyhow I'm wondering what the contents of your lirc config are? Feb 20 10:03:53 flux: my '/etc/init.d/lirc start' complains "WARNING: config file contains no valid remote control definition" Feb 20 10:04:22 also to anyone who might be lurking and has IR transmit working on N900 I would like to quiz you about this same issue :) Feb 20 10:08:02 I don't know whether my IR transmitter is working or not Feb 20 10:08:15 actually, the receiver light on my TV was blinking when I was trying to control it from my N900 with irreco Feb 20 10:08:29 =) that's encouraging Feb 20 10:08:32 so I suppose some IR was being transmitted Feb 20 10:08:53 I'm interested in the contents of /etc/lircd.conf /etc/lirc/hardware.conf /etc/lirc/lircd.conf Feb 20 10:08:56 the online database didn't have my remote in it, so that blinking was all I ever got Feb 20 10:09:20 were you using irreco, or qtirreco? Feb 20 10:09:41 dunno, whichever was in extras-devel at the time Feb 20 10:09:44 probably irreco-for-n900 Feb 20 10:10:32 it was in my loaned n900, which is sitting in a drawer discharged Feb 20 10:10:39 :( Feb 20 10:10:40 I don't have irreco installed in my personal n900 Feb 20 10:10:52 why discharged? USB is fubar? Feb 20 10:11:11 no, all is fine Feb 20 10:11:18 I just don't use it now that I've bought my own n900 Feb 20 10:11:34 I keep meaning to flash it with latest OS and never find the time Feb 20 10:11:50 or, when I find the time, the battery is dry, so I put it to charge and then forget Feb 20 10:15:01 lucent, http://pastie.org/834018 Feb 20 10:15:44 those N2QAYB00... were remotes I tried to download Feb 20 10:15:48 neither matched the one I have here Feb 20 10:17:54 mgedmin: thanks for your time and effort on this, I appreciate it Feb 20 10:18:17 mgedmin: you didn't add those lircd.conf entries by hand? Feb 20 10:18:24 I wonder what added them Feb 20 10:18:27 not by editing a config file Feb 20 10:18:41 I did select those remotes from the menu in the app Feb 20 10:18:48 and I created a "device" called TV Feb 20 10:18:50 ah okay Feb 20 10:18:59 irreco's user interface was horribly difficult to figure out :/ Feb 20 10:20:25 yeah it activates when it shouldn't, also Feb 20 10:29:16 mgedmin: got it configured, with your help! thanks Feb 20 10:31:34 * Stskeeps ponders on someone reaching the conclusion cos of his post "this phone will never be finished" Feb 20 10:31:49 and isn't that glorious it won't as it won't be obsolete then? :P Feb 20 10:39:32 lucent, my /etc/lircd.conf has a bunch of lines like: include "/home/user/MyDocs/irreco/InternalLircDevices/3628" Feb 20 10:40:08 lucent, and the included files are the ones with 'begin remote' section Feb 20 10:41:18 flux: thanks! Feb 20 10:41:41 flux: I've concluded that qtirreco does not add these lines to /etc/lircd.conf as it should Feb 20 10:42:11 my solution to get -something- working is to purge qtirreco and install irreco-for-n900 Feb 20 10:42:23 lucent, have also looked which arguments it gives to lircd when it runs it? Feb 20 10:42:35 perhaps it doesn't use that config file Feb 20 10:42:49 flux: yah, the arguments don't reveal much. Both irreco and qtirreco start lircd with the same arguments Feb 20 10:43:03 no mention of a config file (although I think they should have) Feb 20 10:43:43 the lirc docs I read don't mention a way to add a remote config at runtime via the socket interface Feb 20 10:43:53 shame about that! Feb 20 10:47:36 you have the source.. ;) Feb 20 10:48:45 morn wazd Feb 20 10:48:56 wazd: you jumped from 40 karma distance from me to 200 at the recalculation Feb 20 10:48:56 :P Feb 20 10:53:07 .karma Stskeeps Feb 20 10:53:17 :( Feb 20 10:55:24 for N800, N810(W) users: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=538242&postcount=101 Feb 20 11:01:50 Stskeeps: +1 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=538242#post538242 Feb 20 11:03:18 rzr: if people want a upgrade, they'll get it the hard way Feb 20 11:03:18 :P Feb 20 11:04:53 is dualboot that complicated ? Feb 20 11:05:09 btw bootmenu stopped to work some day Feb 20 11:05:11 i donno why Feb 20 11:05:20 it booted once of 10 tries Feb 20 11:05:29 so i reflashed maemo Feb 20 11:05:46 thought it was an hw issue Feb 20 11:06:02 but my n810 works as charm for months now Feb 20 11:06:09 i still miss mer Feb 20 11:07:50 any gnustep hackers arround ? Feb 20 11:11:16 Stskeeps, very nice dr. strangelove post @ t.m.o - very similar to what I was thinking during this last week Feb 20 11:12:12 mikhas: at least it seems to have quietened things a little bit, but let's see if it lasts. Feb 20 11:12:14 one could add that the situation for n900 owners might have improved even, because megoo is more exposed it seems Feb 20 11:12:56 it is greatly improved. Feb 20 11:19:31 rzr: don't use return for punctuation, thanks Feb 20 11:20:32 that's because of the irc client running on my watch :) Feb 20 11:36:19 News alert: buying fake batteries on eBay may cause you problems, and the companies are very hard to deal with. News at 11 Feb 20 11:36:48 arachnist: ~karma Feb 20 11:36:51 ~karma arachnist Feb 20 11:36:51 arachnist has neutral karma Feb 20 11:36:56 ~karma crashanddie Feb 20 11:36:56 crashanddie has neutral karma Feb 20 11:37:00 w00t Feb 20 11:37:32 http://dpaste.com/162034/ Feb 20 11:37:57 nothing like running sshd and webserver on your phone just to synchronize some photos ;> Feb 20 11:40:04 damn, q and w are very close to each other Feb 20 11:41:59 depends where you live ;) Feb 20 11:42:26 although with azerty they still are Feb 20 11:44:16 bva: and with qwerty they're on the same row Feb 20 11:44:41 bva: not good when you're used to command + w for closing windows and knowing that command + q close the app Feb 20 11:45:35 crashanddie: hehe, guess you have to start all over egain if you dont get a warning dialog Feb 20 11:45:44 indeed Feb 20 11:45:51 happened twice in the past 10 minutes Feb 20 11:46:00 my fingers don't want to watch a specific show I guess Feb 20 11:46:13 save every few minutes? Feb 20 11:46:26 ah its not work related Feb 20 11:46:54 and teach your fingers some manners, show them who's boss! Feb 20 11:47:54 bva: my usual techniques for "showing who's the boss" involves thus hurting myself Feb 20 11:48:08 bva: as deranged as I may be, I still don't enjoy auto-flagelation Feb 20 11:48:26 crashanddie maybe you can help me, I just started some Qt tutorials (im new to all this) and I get a error which I cant fix Feb 20 11:48:38 crashanddie: have you ever tried it? :D Feb 20 11:49:11 sorry, repeat that? Feb 20 11:49:11 C:/Users/Bart/Documents/Qt/textfinder/textfinder.h:24: error: field 'ui' has incomplete type Feb 20 11:50:36 arachnist, why a webserver instead of just sshd? Feb 20 11:50:44 why not use scp/sftp to download the photos? Feb 20 11:50:44 speed? Feb 20 11:50:50 also, why not rsync? Feb 20 11:50:53 mgedmin: because scp uses more cpu Feb 20 11:50:58 mgedmin: so does rsync Feb 20 11:51:13 ok Feb 20 11:51:30 and i couldn't find sshd with hpn patches for n900 Feb 20 11:51:41 and i don't feel like compiling that one myself Feb 20 11:52:14 hpn? Feb 20 11:52:37 * crashanddie facepalms Feb 20 11:52:46 high performance on a 600mhz cpu... Feb 20 11:53:10 crashanddie: i'm more after "null-cipher for data (not login)" Feb 20 11:53:51 arachnist: if you're uploading more than 200 megs to your NIT, use the usb cable Feb 20 11:54:04 bva: sorry, haven't used Qt Feb 20 11:54:37 crashanddie: like i would care for looking for the usb cable and connecting my n900 to it Feb 20 11:54:39 damn, okay thought u did Feb 20 11:55:35 crashanddie: not to mention, that script's running on a box that's literally hidden in the closet Feb 20 11:56:01 also, I have the feeling that eMMC write speed is the bottleneck when transferring data to the NIT Feb 20 11:56:11 either that, or the CPU once hildon-thumbnailer kicks in Feb 20 11:56:32 I wonder if it does the obvious brain-damaged thing and starts thumbnailing files before they're completely transferred Feb 20 11:56:32 mgedmin: not really. When you use SSH the CPU really gets a kickin due to the encryption/decryption Feb 20 11:56:37 I know nautilus does that on the desktop Feb 20 11:57:00 crashanddie: with HPN patches, you can disable encryption after login Feb 20 11:57:23 (provided the other side also supports it) Feb 20 12:03:55 hi all Feb 20 12:04:16 hi Feb 20 12:04:32 crowded Feb 20 12:07:03 wowcrap! Carma recalculated! :D Feb 20 12:07:23 reheya all :) Feb 20 12:08:36 wazd: 200 ahead of me Feb 20 12:09:58 Stskeeps: heh :) Feb 20 12:12:18 * ioeee saluda o/ Feb 20 12:20:47 Morning, all Feb 20 12:21:36 morn jaffa Feb 20 12:22:35 hey Jaffa \o Feb 20 12:27:17 * Arif_ yawns Feb 20 12:37:53 hi Feb 20 12:38:23 hello Feb 20 12:38:35 it seems my n900 sort of died on me after a update.. Feb 20 12:39:17 maybe try doing something Feb 20 12:39:25 i tried cpr Feb 20 12:39:28 didnt work Feb 20 12:40:07 the major problem is that the damn thing doesnt charge anymore and keeps restarting when on a charger or usb cable Feb 20 12:41:17 so it starts up "d you see the white dots? Feb 20 12:41:35 no, only nokia without a backlite Feb 20 12:42:26 i think you might need to reflash then Feb 20 12:42:35 and when booting without a cable it shows nokia with a backlite Feb 20 12:42:53 yeah pupnik, i agree, but it keeps rebooting when the cable is attached Feb 20 12:43:04 so i dont know if it's even charged :p Feb 20 12:43:09 or charging Feb 20 12:43:11 is it planning to add groupchat functionality to default IM-client? Feb 20 12:44:20 midas: when the battery is really dead I can only charge from a nokia charger Feb 20 12:44:30 midas: you dont get rebooting when reflashing Feb 20 12:44:44 I see that happen with off brand chargers Feb 20 12:44:45 unless you broke your cable Feb 20 12:45:04 it should charge from any charger with adequate amps with D+ and D- connected Feb 20 12:45:08 tealbird: i use the ca-101 usb cable and the provided charger Feb 20 12:45:15 that is - a charger made in the last few years Feb 20 12:45:52 I bought it in the last year, new Feb 20 12:46:05 what happens is, i connect the cable Feb 20 12:46:19 the charging led goes to yellow Feb 20 12:46:30 than, after a minute or so the phone tries to boot Feb 20 12:46:50 restarts, goes to charging for 10 seconds and boots again Feb 20 12:47:18 it doenst show up as a usb device, dont know if i can flash it then Feb 20 12:47:40 midas: don't you have the charger with the USB cable? Feb 20 12:47:49 midas: the one built in I mean Feb 20 12:47:52 SpeedEvil: i have both Feb 20 12:48:02 and both have the same problem/effect Feb 20 12:48:03 have you tried that one? Feb 20 12:48:05 ah Feb 20 12:48:22 I assume you don't own a lab PSU? Feb 20 12:48:40 lab psu? explain? :) Feb 20 12:49:39 laboratory power supply. It's a way to charge a the battery. Feb 20 12:49:47 midas: just a normal update via "New updates?" Feb 20 12:49:52 ah, nope :p Feb 20 12:50:00 tealbird: via nsu yeah Feb 20 12:50:47 had to reflash it that way first according to nokia as my text messages didnt show up properly Feb 20 12:51:09 midas: what happens if you hold U while it's doing this - anything? Feb 20 12:51:15 nothing Feb 20 12:51:28 SpeedEvil, i find it easier to hook a lightening conductor rod to the clock tower and drive towards it in my car Feb 20 12:51:46 it doesnt work unless i hit it at 88mph for some reason Feb 20 12:51:49 lcuk: haha Feb 20 12:52:06 * SpeedEvil steals lcuk's e. Feb 20 12:52:13 thanks Feb 20 12:52:16 1.22gigawatts! i need it to power my n900 Feb 20 12:52:44 * lcuk can blame old age on spelling problems Feb 20 12:53:04 in my day we used to waste letters on words, you younguns just forget em Feb 20 12:53:09 I thought you needed to hold down U just as it was powering on Feb 20 12:53:30 Not in a reboot loop Feb 20 12:53:35 * lcuk should start a save the vowel campaign Feb 20 12:53:53 i have always done reflashing as follows: Feb 20 12:54:02 hm, have to go, working time. Feb 20 12:54:04 turn off and unplug battery from n900 Feb 20 12:54:10 lcuk: yes Feb 20 12:54:11 plug in usb Feb 20 12:54:15 start flasher Feb 20 12:54:20 when it says waiting for device Feb 20 12:54:24 put battery in Feb 20 12:54:48 profit Feb 20 12:55:02 Where do the underpants come in? Feb 20 12:55:38 where else do you think they are? Feb 20 12:55:47 they dont move from on my head the entire time Feb 20 12:56:56 http://www.imaemo.com/?p=187 :D Feb 20 12:57:02 VDVsx: ^ Feb 20 12:58:04 OMG, VDVsx has got Chinese fans Feb 20 12:58:41 s\Chinese\\ Feb 20 12:59:15 What perverse system uses \ and not / :? Feb 20 12:59:19 sorry to not refer everybody :), was the names that I remember at that time, after writing a lot :p Feb 20 12:59:43 * Arif_ blinks Feb 20 13:00:15 Hukka, i said before im old Feb 20 13:00:49 lcuk, do you mean to imply \ came before /? Feb 20 13:00:52 because Unix came before DOS Feb 20 13:00:55 and used / Feb 20 13:01:36 not at all mgedmin im just senile Feb 20 13:03:08 lcuk: You mean, any of us can steal candy right from your old feeble hands? =) Feb 20 13:03:24 I do wonder why \ is on the keyboard of the n900 Feb 20 13:03:41 escaping characters Feb 20 13:04:01 there is no escape Feb 20 13:04:05 yes - I know. It's handy for shell - but... Feb 20 13:04:17 bbl bowling Feb 20 13:04:27 wave. Feb 20 13:07:10 happy bday lcuk :) Feb 20 13:16:37 i found a bug in headphone daemon... Feb 20 13:16:46 report it ! Feb 20 13:16:51 where should i report it? Feb 20 13:17:17 the bugtracker of the app? Feb 20 13:17:58 okay Feb 20 13:17:59 vanadismobile: interesting, what the bug? i mean to look into some odd behaviour this weekend Feb 20 13:18:05 s/what/whats/ Feb 20 13:18:06 Milhouse meant: vanadismobile: interesting, whats the bug? i mean to look into some odd behaviour this weekend Feb 20 13:18:28 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/headphoned/ Feb 20 13:18:33 when i plug my headphones out it stops Feb 20 13:18:40 ""Report a bug against....." Feb 20 13:18:43 crashes? Feb 20 13:18:49 but when i receive a call Feb 20 13:19:22 the music starts again Feb 20 13:19:44 i think there is a thread on t.m.o discussing issues when a call is received Feb 20 13:19:54 https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?group_id=1092 Feb 20 13:20:00 hello starcraft II beta, goodbye work :( Feb 20 13:20:05 or at least when the call is endeded, the music restarts - not sure this is a headphoned issue Feb 20 13:20:11 kk Feb 20 13:20:40 it does pause/resume during call without headphoned too Feb 20 13:20:47 i seems to lose sms/email tones since installing headphoned, but need to confirm if headphoned is the culprit Feb 20 13:20:57 probably not Feb 20 13:21:12 only thing i installed prior to losing them Feb 20 13:21:59 agree it shouldn't be responsible, but in the crazy audio world that is maemo5 it's anybodies guess Feb 20 13:22:36 nah Feb 20 13:24:43 atleast for bluetooth where sms/call alert sounds go depends on firmware version Feb 20 13:25:08 first it went to bluetooth, then someone filed bugreport asking for it to go to speaker anyway Feb 20 13:25:39 I should get a bluetooth headset so I could file bug asking for all sounds through headset ;) Feb 20 13:33:01 * SpeedEvil ponders filing a bug against the UK. Feb 20 13:33:17 Anyone noticed that the bluetooth headset sounds like it is "on line" all the time? Feb 20 13:33:42 I get some faint white noise that sounds like it's activated when there is no call activated Feb 20 13:37:44 hi Feb 20 13:38:04 hi ;p Feb 20 13:38:39 i develop a application in python and i search for a solution how i can display a image besides a text in the hildontouchselector widget Feb 20 13:39:07 when i add a new column its not connected to the text column Feb 20 13:44:09 hi, can anyone tell me where i can get quake 3 ? my searches keep bringing back videos but no actual location to download it from Feb 20 13:44:26 I don't suppose anyone here use 3 with an n900? I'm having problems SMSing abroad, but unsure if it's 3's fault or the n900 Feb 20 13:46:44 brik: i thought the pr1.1 firmware had fixes for 3? Feb 20 13:48:21 brik: any errors? Feb 20 13:48:33 oly: It is is in extras-devel repository Feb 20 13:50:14 oly: Check maemo.org how to enable additional repositories. Be aware of the warnings about installing unstable/devel software. I have OpenArena installed and need to pull the battery to restart (for example) Feb 20 13:50:16 Stskeeps: first time I tried I got a red triangle with a ! on the text itself, but no error, after readding contact and restarting phone it appared to go through fine, but they didn't receive my text (tried two different numbers), and can't receive texts either Feb 20 13:50:39 (all from norway) Feb 20 13:50:40 brik: maybe 3's SMSC is acting up Feb 20 13:50:49 okay cheers devel repo is only one i have not enabled yet Feb 20 13:51:07 been debating as theres a lot of neat apps in there Feb 20 13:51:18 oly: yep but it's on your own risk... good luck. Feb 20 13:51:50 hehe, is there anywhere you can check status of the apps Feb 20 13:52:04 ie if there going to be moving to testing any time soon Feb 20 13:52:08 hi there guys Feb 20 13:52:23 Stskeeps: guess I'll have to call and whine to them then ^^ Feb 20 13:53:15 oly: Not that I know of... But if a program is more for show-off and doesn't have a proper shutdown it probably never will or should. Feb 20 13:53:22 * RST38h suggests having an open debate at Brainstorm and tmo on whether oly should enable extras-devel Feb 20 13:53:30 lol Feb 20 13:54:02 brainstorm / tmo ? Feb 20 13:54:16 RST38h: Don't blame me I'm just trying to be helpful Feb 20 13:54:20 extras-devel does not void your warranty .. Feb 20 13:54:30 but might be pita :) Feb 20 13:54:42 oly: read brainstorms on maemo.org Feb 20 13:54:46 i will not, was thinking about it any way :) Feb 20 13:55:24 I'm a bit confused!! does Maemo automatically update its time zones definitions?? I just got my N900 last night and at first I was unable to set my time zone to "Caracas -4:30" because the time zone wasn´t there Feb 20 13:55:25 i want to port some python code and i will probably need some libraries Feb 20 13:55:34 need to find out whats located where thou Feb 20 13:56:19 so I left the N900 powered on all night and now it's configured to the right time zone!1 ow's that? Feb 20 13:56:32 is there an enviroment to emulate the n900 for testing ? Feb 20 13:56:43 like using qemu for developing stuff Feb 20 13:56:48 be useful to know Feb 20 13:57:29 Oly: I was looking for same too... and as far know Maemo SDK does have and Emulator... but I haven´t tried myself Feb 20 13:58:16 am I just insanely slow to notice this or is it new in pr1.1.1 that the camera album auto rotates images all 4 directions whenever the phone's turned? Feb 20 13:58:27 1.1 did that Feb 20 13:58:33 oly: M-A-E-M-O . O-R-G ! Read my lips... ;-) Feb 20 13:58:45 fzfq3m: gps Feb 20 13:58:46 ? Feb 20 13:58:56 hehe okay, already there downloading an install script Feb 20 13:59:30 SpeedEvil: may be... I was testing Ovi maps thhis morning Feb 20 14:00:25 Anybody here knows anything about uploading to Extras-devel? Feb 20 14:01:12 nid0: It always did that Feb 20 14:01:51 But initially my regional settiings was set to "Spanish (Latin America)" but there was only -5, -6, -7 time zones Feb 20 14:02:05 not -4:30 Feb 20 14:02:48 Anyway my N900 is alive :-P and it rocks Feb 20 14:03:11 :D Feb 20 14:04:39 oly: why not install the maemo sdk? comes with an emulator based on qemu. Feb 20 14:04:42 does anybody knows is there is already someone working on a native facebook or windows Live Messenger for Maemo 5?? Feb 20 14:05:14 fzfq3m: facebbok works perfect with the jabber protocol Feb 20 14:05:54 native? Feb 20 14:06:05 live messenger iirc uses the msn protocol Feb 20 14:06:18 wizkoder:I just need to add a jabber account to my n900, right? Feb 20 14:06:24 right Feb 20 14:06:34 username@chat.facebook.com Feb 20 14:06:57 change nothing else thehn the username and it works Feb 20 14:07:40 satmd: I mean an App like what can be installed on Blackberry.. Feb 20 14:08:02 oh Feb 20 14:08:13 wizkoder, attempting that now Feb 20 14:08:13 satmd: N900 is an internet Tablet.. Feb 20 14:08:21 i have one :p Feb 20 14:08:22 fzfq3m: http://mwkn.net/2010/07/apps.html#apps-3 Feb 20 14:08:36 but I had concerns about integration with rtcom Feb 20 14:09:17 msn looses importance for me every day as all my friends are switching to facebook :-) Live in south america though. where microsoft still has too much impact in my opinion ;-) Feb 20 14:11:12 satm: Thanks Feb 20 14:12:03 wizkoder: Yeah I hate MSN Feb 20 14:12:05 does scrathbox2 work with the maemo sdk Feb 20 14:12:13 or do i need to get an older version Feb 20 14:12:55 the sdk comes with a scratchbox Feb 20 14:13:16 well i download the sdk install script Feb 20 14:13:31 wizkoder: That's why I'm looking forward Nokia´s Chat... but I think I will give a try to Jabber Feb 20 14:13:32 and when run it says it can not find scratchbox Feb 20 14:13:33 that installed a scratchbox for me Feb 20 14:13:43 mhm Feb 20 14:13:45 Thanks to all Feb 20 14:13:58 so i installed scrathbox2 from a repo and still can not find it Feb 20 14:14:20 but a google revealed there are two versions and that scratchbox2 is quite new Feb 20 14:14:20 maybe you go back and rtfm Feb 20 14:14:37 (about adk installation on the wiki) Feb 20 14:14:40 sdk Feb 20 14:16:39 okay, but there is no mention of a wiki guide on the download page although there is a seperate scratchbox install script Feb 20 14:16:52 yes use that Feb 20 14:17:10 * cehteh just followed the instructions and got a working sdk Feb 20 14:17:10 was just checking cuz i already have scratchbox Feb 20 14:17:13 but i shall try that Feb 20 14:17:52 well .. i am now looking forward to install the sdk on the device in a chroot someday Feb 20 14:18:32 manual apt setup without debootstrap might be a bit pita Feb 20 14:18:59 mhm prolly i just rsync the armel target over there Feb 20 14:24:33 * satmd avoids facebook Feb 20 14:24:40 actually I avoid everything web2.0 Feb 20 14:24:46 but... jabber... I like that one Feb 20 14:24:58 can be used to glue other services like icq/msn, too Feb 20 14:25:33 and since you can run one yourself, you can use it to deliver nagios status updates Feb 20 14:26:04 * satmd is managing a research facility's it Feb 20 14:26:12 saves me a lot of digging around Feb 20 14:26:48 satmd: fb can be used via jabber now Feb 20 14:27:13 true, but I have no incentive to join fb? Feb 20 14:27:23 sure, just noting Feb 20 14:27:27 ;) Feb 20 14:27:43 le sigh Feb 20 14:27:59 * satmd notices how his n900 gets warm when gpodder is downloading podcasts Feb 20 14:28:12 gotta love it when breakers break Feb 20 14:28:15 * w00t_ is personally happy he can use identi.ca/twitter via jabber now Feb 20 14:28:31 also... why doesn't it allow me to chose where to store the downloads... had to symlink the mmc in place Feb 20 14:28:38 * satmd avoids twitter, too Feb 20 14:29:24 :) Feb 20 14:31:17 GAN900: is geneven's method just ad hominem attacks? :P Feb 20 14:31:49 Stskeeps, dunno, gots no power. :/ Feb 20 14:32:25 PatternDeviceOn=254;0;0;gb;9d804001620863087f007f007f007f007f007f007f007f007f007f007f000000;9d800000 Feb 20 14:32:38 :) .. better now Feb 20 14:33:06 someone should write an app to graphically design blinking patterns Feb 20 14:33:25 Go for it! Feb 20 14:33:39 Fingerpaint a squiggly line. Feb 20 14:36:06 yeah Feb 20 14:47:40 hi all Feb 20 14:50:35 Stskeeps, ah, classy comment Feb 20 14:50:52 Stskeeps, yeah, he's pretty much a negative-energy contributor. Feb 20 14:51:03 mmm electrons Feb 20 15:00:12 hiis there Feb 20 15:00:17 lol XD Feb 20 15:00:20 Hi Feb 20 15:00:31 is there a way to activate/use the cam on the front of the N900 yet? Feb 20 15:00:36 some software or the like? Feb 20 15:01:00 mirror Feb 20 15:01:02 there is mirror Feb 20 15:01:16 can it take captions? Feb 20 15:01:24 but the cam is utterly crap and the firmware doesnt drive it correctly making it even more crap Feb 20 15:01:35 its a v4l device Feb 20 15:01:56 you can code with it, but saying that image quality is bad would be a gross overstatement Feb 20 15:02:00 the mirror isn't too bad in daylight :> Feb 20 15:02:24 k, thanks for the info :) Feb 20 15:02:31 you have other daylight than me then Feb 20 15:03:30 mother of... Feb 20 15:03:33 ok Feb 20 15:03:41 now I KNOW what you meant, cehteh XD Feb 20 15:03:46 my frontcam seems to have a lot of dead pixels too Feb 20 15:05:29 anyone know if the video chat works on IM with the 1.1.1? Feb 20 15:05:58 adalal, still no way of initiating it at least. Feb 20 15:06:21 mece: so if the other party initiates it, it works? Feb 20 15:06:22 cehteh: by not too bad, I mean it's not half black like it is in bad lighting :p Feb 20 15:08:18 adalal, dunno, haven't tested it. But I hear it works to some extent on gtalk. There was a thread about it on TMO after PR1.1 came out. Feb 20 15:09:12 adalal, PR1.1.1 doesn't affect either way. Feb 20 15:09:20 ah okay Feb 20 15:15:46 "Check your email!" "Sorry, I marked you as spam" "Who's Pam?" Feb 20 15:15:58 LOL Feb 20 15:22:50 could some guys pastebin their powertop output with idle device (no data connection and nothing running but xterm), please Feb 20 15:23:08 I need to verify a usbcharging problem Feb 20 15:23:38 with usb "only charging" Feb 20 15:23:46 how would powertop help? Feb 20 15:24:55 I see significant C-state differences and other stuff, I want to have a look at other outputs from people who at least think their device is charging ok with usb Feb 20 15:26:29 i am not satisfied with the way my device charges with usb Feb 20 15:26:38 lol Feb 20 15:27:49 sometimes even after 2 hours of usb charging there is no difference in battery power Feb 20 15:28:24 ab3339: Feb 20 15:29:06 It doesn't tell you how much power it's able to get from the usb host Feb 20 15:29:37 with 1.0 it worked Feb 20 15:29:39 and sometimes i plug it to a computer and get "not charging, insufficient power" Feb 20 15:29:41 compare http://lumiera.pastebin.ca/1803747 at usb "charging only" with wlan and xchat on with http://lumiera.pastebin.ca/1803748 without usb-cradle Feb 20 15:30:11 ShadowJK: hal-device bme tells and it should be 500mA Feb 20 15:30:32 * ShadowJK doesn't consider that as telling Feb 20 15:30:39 it's just a mode I thought Feb 20 15:31:04 well there is no telling but from bme... Feb 20 15:31:08 well there seems to be some bug which produces excess interrupts Feb 20 15:31:12 lsusb on the host side Feb 20 15:31:12 C4 at 0% during charging is a good sign Feb 20 15:31:24 SpeedEvil, i dont think that's reliable either Feb 20 15:31:31 http://lumiera.pastebin.ca/1803747 line 11 Feb 20 15:31:34 bbl Feb 20 15:31:37 SpeedEvil, you only see how much power the device requested, now how much it actually uses Feb 20 15:31:56 cehteh: thats about the same with wall charger Feb 20 15:32:08 the extra interrupts are awesome, it shows the OS is talking to the power management chips Feb 20 15:32:18 ShadowJK: no, it's not, I meant that'd show you how much it's negotiated gor Feb 20 15:33:10 I am using a powered usb-hub (powers usb-hdds with one cable where std ports need 2...) Feb 20 15:36:07 gouverneur: that won't power at >500mA - the supplied charger ideally will Feb 20 15:36:52 main difference to wall charger are powerdomains per core neon and mpu, they are at 85-95% OFF with wall-charger and 98- 100% ON with usb-charging Feb 20 15:38:00 so it kills neon to make the device charge from usb port? :) Feb 20 15:38:01 SpeedEvil: hdds would not spin up with <800mA Feb 20 15:38:58 RST38h: "it kills"? Feb 20 15:42:19 what is new and fun that i missed? Feb 20 15:46:15 Time for a new UPS battery, methinks. Feb 20 15:48:00 pupnik_: usb-charging sucks Feb 20 15:50:45 it seems to work well here Feb 20 16:02:27 i have about 400 pics in media viewer in some directory and it doesnt show me which directory contains all the unwanted images Feb 20 16:02:57 it is a terrible trend to hide locations Feb 20 16:03:19 yes. Feb 20 16:03:40 * SpeedEvil wonders how to launch xv when image viewer starts. Feb 20 16:03:55 thankfuly "find" works Feb 20 16:04:10 moo javispedro Feb 20 16:04:11 pupnik: modulo busybox find being shitty. Feb 20 16:04:18 morning Feb 20 16:05:37 moo Feb 20 16:05:55 unobtainium.... thadellbehandium... iwishwecouldvemoreium Feb 20 16:06:52 well i had an interesting event. fell down on the ice and knocked myself out. now two days i could barely speak. got a brain scan. neurosurgeon says i will recover Feb 20 16:07:09 urgh Feb 20 16:07:18 Russel Howard: "Avatar? Best cinema experience? No it isn't. I was watching 6th Sense, and the little kid goes "I see dead people", and someone right off the back goes "That's nothing mate, I shag 'em" Feb 20 16:07:24 pupnik_:/ Feb 20 16:08:04 it is scary to not bem able to read or speak Feb 20 16:08:04 hi, anyone with ghost armor screen protector? :) Feb 20 16:08:18 still takes focus Feb 20 16:08:42 pupnik: Only once been unable to read. Due to bad migrane. Scary. Feb 20 16:09:20 ow. Feb 20 16:10:05 mmh looks like bme is doing nothing while 'only-charging' but with pc-suit mode... http://lumiera.pastebin.ca/1803779 Feb 20 16:13:18 Every time i see "flashlight" update i hope it will block camera app launch someday ;-) Feb 20 16:13:41 Stupid EDGE Feb 20 16:16:59 switching from 3g to GSM isnt seamless now... Feb 20 16:17:01 pupnik: oh, scary. that happened to me too Feb 20 16:17:12 pupnik: I recovered in a few hours Feb 20 16:17:14 really? Feb 20 16:17:26 well I could read but not speak Feb 20 16:17:45 * RST38h only got paralized after taking too much antihistamines once. Feb 20 16:17:46 hit your head? Feb 20 16:17:59 yea Feb 20 16:18:26 Head was ok, but everything below shut down. Not very pleasant Feb 20 16:18:43 pupnik: felt down on concrete, backwards Feb 20 16:18:48 *fell Feb 20 16:18:49 well some angel brought me home through two miles of dark and snow Feb 20 16:19:28 do you remember it javispedro ? Feb 20 16:19:42 yeah, I was 17 iirc Feb 20 16:20:42 I've had it charge in PC Suite mode, atleast, when I connect N900 to my Debian 4.0 box and use the N900 as modem, it lasts much longer than it should on battery alone Feb 20 16:20:47 i dont remember a thing. n900 survived fine :) Feb 20 16:21:07 I didn't black out Feb 20 16:21:23 it seems you did -- that's way more serious Feb 20 16:21:29 (a common hollywood misunderstanding btw) Feb 20 16:22:09 so hope you're ok :) Feb 20 16:22:14 *i hope Feb 20 16:22:38 i was trying to irc yesterday. total fail! Feb 20 16:22:53 * RST38h thought for irc you do not need to read, just write ? Feb 20 16:22:54 pupnik: n900 survived 5 days of snowboarding Feb 20 16:23:11 any snow/wet? Feb 20 16:23:23 no Feb 20 16:23:54 well snow yes and some drops on the display from the snowglasses Feb 20 16:24:17 but it didnt fell in teh snow if you meant that Feb 20 16:25:44 people with problems complain more often than people with no problems report no problems Feb 20 16:25:46 damn Feb 20 16:25:57 that's common on the internet :) Feb 20 16:26:04 ;) Feb 20 16:26:16 I have problems! My N900's left speaker broke Feb 20 16:26:27 that does suck Feb 20 16:26:28 for unknown reasons. One morning it just stopped working. Feb 20 16:26:28 do you guys ever use charging only with usb? Feb 20 16:26:57 yeah, it's fine if you know the PC is going to be turned on for at least 5-6 hours Feb 20 16:27:11 i always use charger or external Feb 20 16:27:40 mmh Feb 20 16:28:13 hi Feb 20 16:28:34 is it possible to add a searchwidget on the hildondesktop? Feb 20 16:28:59 i have tried it on python with gtk.entry, but i get no focus on the field? Feb 20 16:29:13 pupnik: I remember my karate instructor once told us that training falling techniques properly is very important and they even should teach this stuff in normal schools, especially considering how many people get injuries, break limbs, etc. when it is slippery Feb 20 16:29:19 javispedro, proto? :P Feb 20 16:29:27 javispedro, demand a replacement! Feb 20 16:29:58 javispedro are you saying it's bad not to use full charge? Feb 20 16:29:59 no, not proto Feb 20 16:30:18 PBeck, I'm sure I saw widgets like that in extras or extras-devel Feb 20 16:30:33 why do facebook adds faceebok icon and when i open it it sends me to app manager, where it says that i already have it) Feb 20 16:30:44 kinda loop Feb 20 16:31:11 ssvb: my brother was trained falling technics 10 years ago, he remembers them but still fell on his wrists and broke both... cause he just didnt do what he was told to... Feb 20 16:31:22 mgedmin: know you a name of that widgets? Feb 20 16:31:28 PBeck, no Feb 20 16:31:50 mgedmin: ok i will have a look Feb 20 16:31:58 very useful ssvb. you can survive car accidents etc. Feb 20 16:32:18 ZogG: why do you ask that? No, i'm saying that both usb and wall cable charging are fine. Feb 20 16:32:27 gouverneur, gotta be in your muscle memory. Feb 20 16:32:31 in fact, usb might be better sfor battery life since it charges at a slower rate. Feb 20 16:33:08 GAN900: yes ;) Feb 20 16:33:49 javispedro oh - i just saw yeah, it's fine if you know the PC is going to be turned on for at least 5-6 hours Feb 20 16:34:41 ZogG: because a full usb charge takes around 5-6 hours on my desktop Feb 20 16:34:52 im buying better boots this week Feb 20 16:37:53 ZogG, uninstall facebook installer Feb 20 16:38:10 facebook-installer if you're using terminal :) Feb 20 16:38:14 oh Feb 20 16:38:34 thanks Feb 20 16:38:56 MohammadAG, i preffer app manager if it can handle things and if it doesn't i use terminal Feb 20 16:39:18 HAM's slower than using apt-get Feb 20 16:39:24 heh Feb 20 16:39:25 or maybe I just prefer commands Feb 20 16:39:31 i'm not debian/ubuntu guy - so unfamiliar with all commands and stuff Feb 20 16:39:35 google is sending like 30 android phones to my uni Feb 20 16:39:44 * ZogG will never exchange his gentoo on anything =) Feb 20 16:40:03 seems they want to start promoting app development Feb 20 16:40:46 uni? Feb 20 16:40:55 what is uni? (sorry for my english) Feb 20 16:41:02 university Feb 20 16:41:04 university Feb 20 16:42:19 Hooray for electricity Feb 20 16:43:39 javispedro: you might get a load of the early prototypes Feb 20 16:44:52 this is part of some master plan to force us to create a learning android course Feb 20 16:45:07 they sent a load of sooners to some other unis Feb 20 16:45:36 they are omap850 so no support for new android but wing-linux project is trying to provide unofficial support Feb 20 16:47:02 these ones: http://www.product-reviews.net/wp-content/userimages/2008/03/google-android-phones-fall-08.jpg Feb 20 16:47:30 heh Feb 20 16:49:14 i don't know why any university woul dmake a course based around a specific toolkit, but oh well Feb 20 16:49:58 actually, we have a mandatory qt+opengl one. Feb 20 16:50:38 when i was at uni we had a comp graphics course using opengl but it was about theory primarily Feb 20 16:50:48 as were all the courses Feb 20 16:51:10 of course... Feb 20 16:51:37 the closest we had was the DB course which was basically just SQL Feb 20 16:52:06 oh and there was a mandatory course on using MS office but that was for all students not just comp sci, and only 2 weeks long Feb 20 16:52:21 * mgedmin had some VRML at the uni, but no OpenGL, sadly Feb 20 16:52:46 ive had opengl at the uni Feb 20 16:53:08 had already forgotten, but was browsing old files and saw the excercise Feb 20 16:53:10 I don't personally like "user's-guide reading courses" either (which is how I call those) Feb 20 16:54:17 also had a gui programming course using Qt and WinForms Feb 20 16:54:19 on the good side, we didn't have any of those at our uni Feb 20 16:54:39 on the not so good side, we didn't have many interesting other topics either (e.g. unit testing) Feb 20 16:57:05 mikkov: you here or just idling? Feb 20 16:57:10 of course, if they want to have a non-mandatory android course, letem Feb 20 16:59:19 * javispedro ponders creating a symbian/maemo/meego/moblin 2 or 3 credit course... Feb 20 17:11:56 ali1234: i'm quite disgusted to hear that MS office is a required class - especially if cs majors are part of that absurd requirement Feb 20 17:12:05 ali1234: what university is this? Feb 20 17:12:12 a good one Feb 20 17:12:14 MS university? Feb 20 17:12:38 it's not like there were alternatives when i was in uni Feb 20 17:12:40 no "good" university would promote anything lesser than LaTeX Feb 20 17:12:49 latex predates Office Feb 20 17:13:12 latex is not a reasonable alternative for english majors Feb 20 17:13:13 Word is a tool for dummies Feb 20 17:13:18 ^ Feb 20 17:14:05 well for CS majors, it's a pure demonstration of incompetence on the part of the staff Feb 20 17:14:12 More importantly, Word does not let you work on anything bigger than a resignation letter Feb 20 17:14:27 * unixSnob high fives RST38h Feb 20 17:15:00 Word97 wasn't all _that_ bad Feb 20 17:15:10 I was forced to use it to collaborate on a group project back in 2000 Feb 20 17:15:22 Every single Word I have seen could not handle more than 30 pages of text Feb 20 17:15:25 if you don't let anybody else touch the file and apply styles religiously, it's not horrible Feb 20 17:15:33 I think I didn't reach 30 pages, though Feb 20 17:15:33 i've heard of some profs requiring a thesis to be prepared in Word -- which is absolutely pure incompetence.. Feb 20 17:15:33 They all start crashing randomly, or just behaving weirdly Feb 20 17:15:40 s/apply styles/apply fonts and shit instead of styles Feb 20 17:15:52 I gave it bonus points for fitting in my 640x480 laptop screen Feb 20 17:15:59 A few pages is ok. But try writing a PhD thesis in word (in English Literature if you wish) and you are fucked. Feb 20 17:16:03 RST38h: IIRC word 2 was quite OK Feb 20 17:16:05 how would they even know what software you made it in after you print it out? Feb 20 17:16:22 fwiw the "apply styles" was part of "you do that" rather than "don't let anybody" Feb 20 17:16:26 poor grammar there Feb 20 17:16:41 mgedmin: ah, poor understanding on my part too. yes, i see what you meant. Feb 20 17:16:43 ali1234: Well, if you do get to printing it out withot losing it to a crash, I can instantly tell you what software created it Feb 20 17:16:49 * mgedmin used LaTeX for his algebra homework -- that ruled Feb 20 17:16:49 There is no "okay" version of word when it comes to academic papers -- WYSIWYG is the wrong tool for the job Feb 20 17:16:54 Reheya all Feb 20 17:16:58 ali1234: Word is really bad at typesetting Feb 20 17:17:08 * mgedmin also used LaTeX for his thesis -- that was, occasionally, painful Feb 20 17:17:12 tex vs wysiwyg flame war! Feb 20 17:17:12 Although, again, it works for short letters or memos Feb 20 17:17:21 mgedmin: but it was a good pain, no? Feb 20 17:17:24 you need a thick LaTeX book and a bit of cargo-culting to get it to work Feb 20 17:17:35 there are wysiwyg TeX shells Feb 20 17:17:43 the thesis didn't have math in it, so in the end I was unsure it was worth the pain Feb 20 17:17:46 mgedmin: actually you need a thin latex book Feb 20 17:17:54 well, all I had was a thick one Feb 20 17:18:04 mgedmin: part of your pain may have been caused hby the thick latex book Feb 20 17:18:08 Quark ftw :p Feb 20 17:18:12 actually, no Feb 20 17:18:16 mgedmin: it can be painful to learn, but if you learn it early enough, the payback is massive Feb 20 17:18:22 mgedmin: The thin latex book costs $60-$80 BTW ;) Feb 20 17:18:28 I've never used any LaTeX documentation that wasn't a Google search away. Feb 20 17:18:30 the procedure was "I want to achieve this" -> open table of contents/index, find examples, look at them, copy Feb 20 17:18:39 the Citations and indexing is priceless in latex Feb 20 17:18:40 learning by example :) Feb 20 17:18:59 I found a Russian translation of the LaTeX 2epsilon companion (I think), which was much cheaper Feb 20 17:19:23 javispedro: who's winning? Feb 20 17:19:32 winning what? Feb 20 17:19:37 mgedmin: flame war Feb 20 17:19:37 the mobile OS sector? Feb 20 17:19:39 unixSnob: AppleWorks, of course. Feb 20 17:19:53 Javispedro: pfff Feb 20 17:20:07 AppleWorks Feb 20 17:20:10 hildon-home uses 100% of my cpu; rebooting the n900 was not the solution; any ideas? btw after few seconds the n900 asks me to kill this process but its for the home-screen so it will be restartet and the problem starts again. :( Feb 20 17:20:10 Man, what a throwback. Feb 20 17:20:28 Javispedro: appleworks is fine for nursery editting lessons :) Feb 20 17:20:54 heh Feb 20 17:20:59 poor nurses Feb 20 17:21:05 i'm really interested in finding out what "good" university ali1234 is talking about Feb 20 17:21:16 mgedmin: You want this: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201529831 Feb 20 17:21:17 word 2k7 ftw :) Feb 20 17:21:26 mgedmin: Or its cheaper translated incarnation Feb 20 17:21:35 That is the "thin" book :) Feb 20 17:21:46 roadi, disable your plugins one by one until you find the one responsible Feb 20 17:22:10 wazd: BTW could you relay a few things to Vlad from me? Feb 20 17:22:13 RST38h, actually it may be that I had a translation of that one instead of the companion... I'm not sure Feb 20 17:22:18 unixSnob: actually I would like to find any university that doesn't teach msword or mspowerpoint for _any_ major Feb 20 17:22:29 unixSnob: university of manchester, freshman year 1998 Feb 20 17:22:37 mgedmin: Lamport's book is actually useful, we bought several copies for the lab back at the university Feb 20 17:23:00 javispedro: that would be impressive.. but it's also a good idea to blacklist the ones that both offer and require ms word Feb 20 17:23:04 Not that it makes LaTeX a breeze, but at hundreds of pages it is the only game in town Feb 20 17:23:35 RsT38h: sure Feb 20 17:23:39 I learnt LaTeX in college -- and really regretted not learning it in middle school Feb 20 17:23:53 Rst38h: money, goods?) Feb 20 17:23:55 you're always going to find the usual professor that only handles .doc files. Which shouldn't matter, really. Feb 20 17:23:59 wazd: OMWeather refuses to do an explicit update (button click) when connected via GPRS Feb 20 17:24:08 mgedmin: i havn't added; i configured the synchronisation with tine but i deleted it ... and nothing changed. the calendars hangs too. Feb 20 17:24:11 wazd: Says "No wifi, gprs updates disabled" Feb 20 17:24:35 wazd: which is kinda stupid given that I explicitely asked it to update (once) Feb 20 17:25:04 wazd: secondly, when it tries an update and cannot connect, it clears up the weather data and shows up empty Feb 20 17:25:30 wazd: It probably makes sense keeping the previous data if it can't obtain the current one Feb 20 17:25:53 Hmm Feb 20 17:25:58 wazd: and, thirdly, can it play its animation every time desktop shows up (like after going to the task switcher or an app)? :) Feb 20 17:26:15 Closed source products are not conducive the education -- they take an anti-education stance by existing as something that prohibits being studied Feb 20 17:26:18 wazd: I mean, it does not HAVE TO, but it just looks cool, so showing it more often is cute :) Feb 20 17:26:26 Rst38h: ok, I'll tell him Feb 20 17:26:33 wazd: thanks =) Feb 20 17:26:36 not to mention the cost of closed source products Feb 20 17:26:59 wazd: Looks like shmuma finally got commit rights to maemo mapper, so no more forks Feb 20 17:27:22 Rst38h: yep, heard of it Feb 20 17:27:35 it's entirely reckless for a prof to require a Word doc submission. The only reason we have openoffice.org is due to guesswork on the .doc spec Feb 20 17:27:47 hi Feb 20 17:28:11 look what you guys did.. got my blood pressure worked up Feb 20 17:29:17 Rst38h: expect yandex rebranding n stuff) Feb 20 17:29:19 unixSnob: A quick blood letting should fix that =) Feb 20 17:30:39 if I were a prof, I would require LaTeX submissions. I know it would piss people off, but it would be worth it Feb 20 17:32:14 some students would hate it, but then thank a latex-forcing prof later Feb 20 17:32:24 unixSnob: Genious. Feb 20 17:33:19 :) Feb 20 17:33:38 the first part is actually true Feb 20 17:33:54 I'm afraid the second part is wishful thinking Feb 20 17:33:58 well, maybe one or two students might Feb 20 17:34:16 our calculus prof made a bet with one student that LaTeX can produce prettier math output than MS word Feb 20 17:34:21 all of our class were judges Feb 20 17:34:22 any students that have to write more papers would thank me Feb 20 17:34:22 is this a latex make sense channel?! Feb 20 17:34:23 the prof won Feb 20 17:34:36 the students in their last year may be thankless Feb 20 17:34:39 speaking of which, has LaTeX been ported to maemo? Feb 20 17:34:42 mgedmin: Those one or two students would be the only ones who were worth it. Feb 20 17:34:43 unixSnob, because that makes so much different from the professors who require .doc. Feb 20 17:34:47 wazd: He can brand it with Satan's hoof, if he likes, as long as he adds support for retromaps.ru =) Feb 20 17:34:56 if not, why? people might want to write their thesis while on a plane or something Feb 20 17:35:08 also, latex-beamer + TV-output = portable slide deck! Feb 20 17:36:01 Ugh, slides... overused and overrated, if you ask me Feb 20 17:36:17 GeneralAntilles: It's teaching a useful technical skill. Feb 20 17:36:28 And it already has pdf reader, no need to generate the files on the device Feb 20 17:36:30 The difference being that it's both free and actually looks good. Feb 20 17:36:32 mgregsond: you can write in latex on a maemo.. just need a text editor Feb 20 17:37:02 could you talk in another channel?! Feb 20 17:37:05 mgregsond: and it would actually make some sense, because you would want to reduce typing, so you would write macros to keep it short Feb 20 17:37:48 unixSnob: check your nick tab completion settings. Feb 20 17:38:21 ah Feb 20 17:38:24 thanks Feb 20 17:38:26 derf, for which people can take a class. Feb 20 17:38:36 derf, how is learning LaTeX relevant to an English course? Feb 20 17:38:58 GeneralAntilles: latex supports citations, unlike word Feb 20 17:39:12 GeneralAntilles: latex saved me copious time in english classes Feb 20 17:39:32 unixSnob, good, then as an English professor you can recommend that it might be a useful tool for your students. Feb 20 17:39:44 the idea is that you focus on the subject matter, not the appearance, and you still end up with something that appears better Feb 20 17:40:14 GeneralAntilles: teachers can recommend all they want - students are lazy Feb 20 17:40:37 teachers can fail students Feb 20 17:40:43 GeneralAntilles: Typing is a skill that is not related to English, and yet everyone still requires assignments to be typed. Feb 20 17:40:44 GeneralAntilles: you can recommend that students write a daily essay to improve their writing skills. None of them will take that advice Feb 20 17:41:10 grade the essays daily Feb 20 17:41:22 kick out students who miss 3 essays in a row Feb 20 17:41:34 pupnik: that's a copout for lazy profs Feb 20 17:42:28 it would be waste if only one prof used latex Feb 20 17:42:33 force your students to type in LaTeX when they know Word for no other reason other than "I want it" and you'll end up with a LaTeX-haters generation. Feb 20 17:42:56 let the two or three interested people who may like it discover it for themselves Feb 20 17:43:08 we should have been taught latext in first semeester Feb 20 17:43:38 javispedro: the students who hate latex will be the ones who didn't really learn it Feb 20 17:44:12 .. who will represent more than half of the alumni. Feb 20 17:44:17 javispedro: it's pretty indisputable that someone who knows latex pretty well will save copious time, and produce better papers Feb 20 17:44:38 asked the XeTeX people about that? Feb 20 17:44:59 javispedro: well let's not drag down the top of the class to make life easy on the lower class Feb 20 17:45:18 unixSnob: That's the basic tenet of the entire US education system. Feb 20 17:45:29 s/US/developed countries Feb 20 17:45:55 Well, I haven't been through everyone's education system, so I wasn't going to make accusations. Feb 20 17:46:19 you haven't been through every school on the US either :) Feb 20 17:46:30 but you know the general direction and interpolate Feb 20 17:46:39 it's not the basic tenet of the Norwegian education system, are you calling us not developed? Feb 20 17:46:42 Oh well Feb 20 17:47:04 Once again: Someone has got to work at MacD and write HTML and drive buses Feb 20 17:47:11 our education system isn't among the best, ok, but I think we're developed Feb 20 17:47:42 And, by all means, keep students' self esteem up: it makes them more gullible in the future =) Feb 20 17:48:02 * RST38h cackles evilly Feb 20 17:48:53 hehe Feb 20 17:50:02 * Arif_ throws students at RST38h Feb 20 17:50:35 * RST38h eats incoming students with ketchup Feb 20 17:50:36 javispedro: I at least know what the US-wide policies are, like "No Child Left Behind". Feb 20 17:50:57 any plans that n900 supports sending and receiving files (over e.g. skype, jabber)? Feb 20 17:50:59 Otherwise known as "Every Child Kept Back". Feb 20 17:51:09 * RST38h once drew "Planned Suicide Rates by Class" at a board in the TA room on April 1st Feb 20 17:51:10 the coolest feature would be to open a browser in the background! Feb 20 17:51:33 and customizable search engines, e.g. wikipedia Feb 20 17:52:13 derf: It actually does depend on the school, but not a lot of schools are good enough Feb 20 17:52:21 a virtual keyboard with usable sized keys would be nice too Feb 20 17:52:23 ;p Feb 20 17:52:46 Markus: Incredible, your wish may come true pretty soon in Maemo5 Feb 20 17:53:07 Not that I know why you would need a browser on the background Feb 20 17:53:31 arif: you mean half the current size so you can see what you're typing? Feb 20 17:53:41 no Feb 20 17:53:49 I press 3 buttons at once now Feb 20 17:53:54 they're pretty small ;( Feb 20 17:54:08 heh, ShadowJK, I want that -- I want the old small vkb back Feb 20 17:54:25 ....do I have big fingers? :P Feb 20 17:54:37 Arif: answer: nails. Feb 20 17:54:43 * mgedmin nods Feb 20 17:55:03 Arif_: didn't they bundle that handy stylus with your device? Feb 20 17:55:12 yeah I use that Feb 20 17:55:16 actually, with the feedback you get from the current vkb, even thick fingers ought to work fine -- if you don't see the letter you wanted, wiggle the finger around until you do Feb 20 17:55:38 hitting links in the browser is harder Feb 20 17:55:52 RST38h: if i am on a site and there are 3,4 interesting links but I would like to go on reading on that side (and later on the interesting links) Feb 20 17:56:25 that happens more often that I directly go to any link Feb 20 17:56:42 Markus23, tap-and-hold, wait for the popup menu, click on "open in new window", wait 1 second Feb 20 17:56:49 click on task navigator, switch back to old browser window Feb 20 17:57:00 would be nice if new window opened in the background, but meh Feb 20 17:57:14 would be even nicer if back button was instantaneous Feb 20 17:57:17 the caches get purged too quickly Feb 20 17:57:27 mgedmin: unfortunately it does not open immediately, depending on load it takes 2,3 seconds, and then the reading flow is interrupted Feb 20 17:57:49 click-somewhere-by-accident, press back, wait for the page to be reloaded and rerendered => annoyance increases Feb 20 17:57:58 who needs the back button when the interesting pages stay open? Feb 20 17:58:09 heh Feb 20 17:58:26 MicroB can't render DVBViewer's recording service web ui :D Feb 20 18:01:08 ? Feb 20 18:02:29 mgedmin: accidental clicks are killing me on N900 Feb 20 18:02:40 In fact, Maemo5 requires way too many clicks =( Feb 20 18:02:52 where RST38h Feb 20 18:02:59 yeah, Nokia doesn't employ a tap-counter like Palm did Feb 20 18:03:08 atleast you can click :p Feb 20 18:03:17 nice animations and flicker-free UI placate me somewhat Feb 20 18:03:24 ctrl-backspace is annoying? Feb 20 18:03:26 it's what you get these days.. Feb 20 18:03:31 rst38h: shmuma is now official maemo-mapper contributor. and he says yandex traffin info is available now. I updated, but there is no "sync" button he wrote about and no maps besides OSM :-/ Feb 20 18:03:36 except for the landscape-to-portrait extremely too-long and silly double-whiz-bang rotation thing Feb 20 18:03:38 I hate *that* Feb 20 18:03:41 All About Maemo is now trying to assert that because some people don't bother to inform themselves something is a "secret". Feb 20 18:03:55 lol Feb 20 18:04:06 url? Feb 20 18:04:15 GeneralAntilles: yet another Oct2009 fansite I guess Feb 20 18:04:23 will meego (and so also maemo) really use rpm? Feb 20 18:04:27 maemo.org still slow Feb 20 18:04:29 javispedro, only sort of. Feb 20 18:04:33 http://www.allaboutmaemo.com/features/item/How_to_unlock_the_FM_radio_on_the_Nokia_N900.php Feb 20 18:04:39 Click whoring language. Feb 20 18:04:43 Markus23, afaik Maemo 6 will use deb Feb 20 18:04:52 GeneralAntilles: and you're helping validate that model! ;) Feb 20 18:04:55 nobody knows about Maemo 7 (or if there will be a Maemo 7) Feb 20 18:05:01 "unlock" eh Feb 20 18:05:06 Maemo 6 will be marketed as "MeeGo" Feb 20 18:05:10 btw Feb 20 18:05:22 I've no idea how to make that compatible with "MeeGo uses RPM" Feb 20 18:05:30 maybe you'll be able to install rpms on a Nokia N1000 Feb 20 18:05:31 Hmmm. I only needed to install an application, didn't need to unlock anything ... Feb 20 18:05:35 mgedmin: Nokia doesn't care. Feb 20 18:05:35 via alien or something like that Feb 20 18:05:43 w00t_, my precious secrets! Feb 20 18:05:43 mgedmin: marketing-wise, it's meego, platform-wise, it's not Feb 20 18:05:44 Debian is lsb-compliant, in theory, isn't it? Feb 20 18:05:47 if you press on yellow messaging notification while in protrait mode, you see messaging protrait mode for a brief preriod of time, then it gets rotated ;-) Feb 20 18:05:48 ok, so Maemo 6 will be called "MeeGo" compatible but having deb Feb 20 18:05:51 LSB mandates RPM Feb 20 18:05:52 mgedmin: they want you to code for qt but be able to package for symbian and deb and rpm Feb 20 18:05:55 (at least, not fully) Feb 20 18:05:59 not for OS packages, but 3rd-party RPMs must be installable Feb 20 18:06:00 isnt there also a plan to have Maemo 5 MeeGo compatible? Feb 20 18:06:12 Markus23: 'compatible' is a funny word Feb 20 18:06:13 mgedmin, for app devs and users it shouldn't matter Feb 20 18:06:18 Markus23: 'compatible' in what respect? Feb 20 18:06:24 Maemo 5 is as compatible with MeeGo as MeeGo 1.0 will be compatible with the real MeeGo ;) Feb 20 18:06:35 mgedmin, and those two are the most likely groups to become confused. Feb 20 18:06:38 mgedmin: of course, with the lsb-* packages it is lsb compatible, except of the package manager of course :-) Feb 20 18:07:09 w00t_: I suppose it means that the apps will run without problems on the plattform? Feb 20 18:07:32 Markus23: in which case, if they're qt, and don't rely on maemo5-specific bits, they'll work Feb 20 18:07:57 Markus23: if they're not, it pretty much depends on what they use - regular gtk stuff will work, I've no idea as to whether hildon will be staying around Feb 20 18:08:29 where is the 64bit flasher? Feb 20 18:08:56 does 0xFFFF work on 64-bit? Feb 20 18:09:01 also, does it work with N900?: Feb 20 18:16:16 Hello, I want to install a programme called 'Workrave' (http://linuxappfinder.com/package/workrave) on Nokia N900. Is this possible? Feb 20 18:17:34 mmh usb-charging does not work and something is wrong with hal and bme... Feb 20 18:18:59 2h on usb gives -10%charge... thats about without charging and normal (my normal) use Feb 20 18:22:07 OMG Ctrl+Space finally fixed!!! Feb 20 18:22:35 RST38h: huh? Feb 20 18:22:50 aah, ctrl Feb 20 18:23:14 stupid phone wont even flash :/ Feb 20 18:23:29 it's stuck in a reboot cycle without usb Feb 20 18:24:26 midas: shouldn't be possible Feb 20 18:25:07 DocScrutinizer: but it is Feb 20 18:25:25 midas: for flashing only the bootloader is needed. Bootloader shouldn't ever cycle Feb 20 18:25:50 midas: what's the meaning od "without usb" ? Feb 20 18:25:57 what is ctrl space for? Feb 20 18:26:07 i get the nokia background without backlite, flasher is waiting for a usb device but never finds the n900 Feb 20 18:26:08 switch input lang Feb 20 18:26:32 midas: you hold the "U" key? Feb 20 18:26:52 yep Feb 20 18:27:22 just keeps rebooting Feb 20 18:27:31 midas: you had the device powered down, and hold "u" while plugging in the usb cable? Feb 20 18:27:38 Afterthought: try and tell us! Feb 20 18:27:44 can try that one DocScrutinizer Feb 20 18:28:33 still keeps rebooting Feb 20 18:29:11 midas: it works. just a little tricky to get the right sequence. But you *can* recover from infinte reboot - I did Feb 20 18:29:13 does the simcard have to be in the phone? Feb 20 18:29:41 midas: except when your USB is broken Feb 20 18:29:47 gouverneur, I will :) Or if you know of a similar app that I can download/install easily through the app manager please let me know. Feb 20 18:29:54 midas: simcard doesn't matter Feb 20 18:30:07 it does say its charging Feb 20 18:30:14 yellow led Feb 20 18:31:05 * ShadowJK wouldn't trust that Feb 20 18:31:23 lol Feb 20 18:31:30 cant even trust the leds! Feb 20 18:31:47 although the charging circuit does have direct control to make yellow Feb 20 18:31:47 midas: iirc the correct sequence is: start flasher on host PC, hold 'u' on powered down device, plug in USB Feb 20 18:32:02 lshal | grep batt should be the most authorative answer you can get Feb 20 18:32:31 cehteh: nice, i cant boot the phone tho. Feb 20 18:32:35 cehteh: ShadowJK: it's about flashing here, not charging Feb 20 18:33:00 ok Feb 20 18:33:01 DocScrutinizer, afaik attempting to flash results on reboot loop if the battery is too low :) Feb 20 18:33:14 ShadowJK: ack Feb 20 18:33:26 true Feb 20 18:33:36 but without a charger for the battery.. Feb 20 18:33:51 or a xmusic phone or something with the same battery :P Feb 20 18:34:00 you are somehow fucked :P Feb 20 18:34:04 nope Feb 20 18:34:50 do explain :p Feb 20 18:35:10 charging is managed by a minimal core system which boots during plugin of charger. This minimal system must not bootcycle obviously, but if the LED shows it's charging, it probably actually does Feb 20 18:35:18 cehteh: the best part is, it keeps rebooting so it cant charge :P Feb 20 18:35:42 put it into charger for a while? Feb 20 18:35:54 it charges for 1 minute or so, then cycles forever Feb 20 18:36:11 how long does it normally needs to charge for 50 or so %? Feb 20 18:36:33 midas: without you starting the device by pressing powerbutton? Feb 20 18:36:33 30 min? dunno but the first 50% are the fastest Feb 20 18:36:41 DocScrutinizer: yep Feb 20 18:36:48 that's nasty Feb 20 18:37:15 maybe you have to ask someone else to charge your battery Feb 20 18:37:41 cehteh: nobody here has or a n900(you cant get them :P) or a xpress music Feb 20 18:37:41 * ShadowJK 'd use the wall charger Feb 20 18:37:58 ShadowJK: i was just about to switch Feb 20 18:38:06 you are in .nl ... hey i will be in utrecht on 1. may .. want to wait? :) Feb 20 18:38:10 DocScrutinizer, actually that sounds consistent with the description in the service manual, sort of Feb 20 18:38:15 midas: can you switch off the cycling system by long powerbutton press (while charger hooked up), maybe pressing button before it even starts to cycle? Feb 20 18:38:25 cehteh: nah :P Feb 20 18:38:39 DocScrutinizer: gonna try Feb 20 18:38:47 just keep the button pressed ... Feb 20 18:39:08 DocScrutinizer, iirc it says that the hw can charge a too low battery, and will automatically power on the N900 when sufficient charge is reached for booting... but of course, if the OS is hosed then it just cycles :D Feb 20 18:39:24 and *use wallcharger* NOT host PC for charging! Feb 20 18:39:27 yes something like that Feb 20 18:39:57 so wallcharger and as soon it cycles plug in usb cable with a armed flasher Feb 20 18:40:19 oh its armed Feb 20 18:40:32 arrrgh. I'd not recommend such fastswap, won't help Feb 20 18:40:34 first charge with wallcharger Feb 20 18:40:47 yep Feb 20 18:40:54 well may get a grip on the 2nd cycle ... Feb 20 18:41:10 charge with wallcharger for 30min, if you can stop it from cycling Feb 20 18:41:20 trying :P Feb 20 18:42:00 is there a better gui file manager for the n900? more specifically Im looking for thunar like rightclick/longtap custom actions (launching a script with the filepath as the parameter) Feb 20 18:42:59 I've asked another friend and he says this "if having a sound play every 15 minutes is enough, you could try asking someone who has done maemo packages before (I haven't) to make you a fast package to install a cron job for that." How do I go about requesting such a package and to whom? Feb 20 18:43:40 DocScrutinizer: is there any doc that explains what LED means Feb 20 18:43:56 Or do you know how to get a bell sound as such to play every 15 mins on N900? Feb 20 18:44:07 jacekowski: ultimate source is /etc/mce.ini Feb 20 18:44:18 and this: http://wiki.maemo.org/LED_patterns#N900 Feb 20 18:44:26 jacekowski: hard to read though :-P Feb 20 18:45:40 Afterthought: while true; do mplayer bell.mp3; sleep 900; done ? Feb 20 18:46:10 given mplayer is installed. but why exactly do you need this? Feb 20 18:46:27 s/mplayer/play-sound/ Feb 20 18:47:06 * Shapeshifter is new to the n900. what does play-sound use? gst? Feb 20 18:47:20 probably Feb 20 18:47:28 play sound uses canberra Feb 20 18:47:45 canberra? Feb 20 18:47:50 which uses pa directly iirc (depends on configure args) Feb 20 18:48:01 play-sound is the one coming with libhildon? Feb 20 18:48:10 yep Feb 20 18:48:21 err libhildon dunno Feb 20 18:48:36 it's installed by default anyway Feb 20 18:48:46 http://wiki.maemo.org/LED_patterns#N900 Feb 20 18:48:48 Shapeshifter: canberra is a "system sound effects" library Feb 20 18:48:49 ehh Feb 20 18:48:51 2: only show pattern when the display is off, including acting dead Feb 20 18:48:55 inluding acting dead? Feb 20 18:48:59 what that means? Feb 20 18:49:01 mhhh Feb 20 18:49:10 acting dead is "charging..." screen on n810 Feb 20 18:49:11 * RST38h acts dead Feb 20 18:49:15 jacekowski: nobody knows :-P Feb 20 18:49:33 what javispedro said Feb 20 18:52:12 PatternDeviceOn Feb 20 18:52:20 PatternPowerOn Feb 20 18:52:21 ? Feb 20 18:52:22 Thanks, have fun everyone! Feb 20 18:52:45 jacekowski: DeviceOn is an awful blinking white pattern that happens _always_ no matter what Feb 20 18:52:49 whats a difference between these to? Feb 20 18:52:53 while I guess the latter is when the charger is plugged in... Feb 20 18:52:54 jacekowski: i have a lot fun defining my own blinking patterns Feb 20 18:53:10 or powering in/off Feb 20 18:53:24 PowerOff and DeviceOff Feb 20 18:53:34 DeviceSoftOff Feb 20 18:53:49 http://lumiera.pastebin.ca/1803929 Feb 20 18:54:06 SoftOff is not used on the stock device Feb 20 18:54:24 and there can't be a "DeviceOff" pattern Feb 20 18:54:27 for obvious reasons.. Feb 20 18:54:43 PatternPowerOff=10;3;0;rgb;9d80400001ff43ff7f007f00c000;9d800000 Feb 20 18:54:50 whats SoftOff exactly ? kindof suspend? Feb 20 18:54:54 PowerOff is "while powering down". Feb 20 18:54:58 yes Feb 20 18:55:04 see my patterns Feb 20 18:55:11 DeviceOff would mean "while the device is off", which makes no sense. Feb 20 18:55:16 incredible obfuscated mess Feb 20 18:55:17 green when turning on, red when turning off Feb 20 18:55:36 green means charged Feb 20 18:55:57 the n900 file manager is close source right? Feb 20 18:56:08 *closed Feb 20 18:56:08 softoff is some random mce thing which invoked offline mode and some other things, but didn't suspend iirc Feb 20 18:56:22 Shapeshifter: yes. It's so awesome that it's closed-source to stop others nicking it. Feb 20 18:56:22 on deviceon, charging and battery full i let the led glow a bit .. helps to locate the device in the night :P Feb 20 18:56:24 Shapeshifter: the file manager is closed, but it's a shim on top of the hildon-fm library, which is open Feb 20 18:56:33 SpeedEvil: LOL Feb 20 18:56:43 SpeedEvil: riight Feb 20 18:57:00 SpeedEvil: you are kidding right? Feb 20 18:57:20 SpeedEvil: i prefer to type commands in console rather than use that file maneger Feb 20 18:57:23 SpeedEvil: :-P Feb 20 18:57:25 manager* Feb 20 18:57:39 s/console/X console/ Feb 20 18:57:39 * luke-jr prefers to use a console rather than any GUI file manager, usually Feb 20 18:57:43 s/console/X\ console/ Feb 20 18:57:54 it manages file in the way managers think files should be managed, thats awesome Feb 20 18:58:58 hmhm, can someone try to install python-scapy from extra-devel and tell me if it succeeds? Feb 20 18:59:04 the best way to manage files is pc suite style. a music folder with 15 GiB free and a documents folder with 15 GiB free means a device with 30 GiB free :) Feb 20 18:59:25 lol Feb 20 18:59:41 ... Feb 20 18:59:50 norton/midnight commander style Feb 20 19:00:02 or total commander for younger people Feb 20 19:00:13 jacekowski: use mc Feb 20 19:01:01 jacekowski: it even comes with desktop icon to invoke :-P Feb 20 19:01:03 i'm not a huge fan of the n900 keyboard. I use the cli on the desktop almost all the time but here its a bit annyoing. Feb 20 19:01:15 yeah Feb 20 19:01:21 N97 seems to have better keyboard Feb 20 19:01:26 with all the missing home keys and the buttons are quite hard to press Feb 20 19:01:44 i meant, home and end keys. Feb 20 19:01:56 btw. Feb 20 19:02:02 in openarena Feb 20 19:02:08 how to close it? Feb 20 19:02:15 if i'm in middle of match Feb 20 19:02:15 heh Feb 20 19:02:23 don't get me started! I got a crippled wertzu kbd Feb 20 19:02:24 open the console (I forgot how) and type /quit Feb 20 19:02:38 mgedmin: i thought about that Feb 20 19:02:39 maybe it's fn+sym to open the openarena console? Feb 20 19:02:43 no up/down direct keys :-(( Feb 20 19:02:44 but how to type / Feb 20 19:02:52 fn+whatever letter has the / Feb 20 19:02:58 it doesn't work in game Feb 20 19:03:05 jacekowski: I tried pressing most of the keys and one of them opened the menu Feb 20 19:03:16 openarena is quit by rebooting Feb 20 19:03:22 hehe Feb 20 19:03:27 :P Feb 20 19:03:29 RST38h: that's how i do it Feb 20 19:03:36 reminds me of good old IBM PC times Feb 20 19:03:51 jacekowski: ctrl-v ore some ctrl- combination opens the menu Feb 20 19:03:56 rebooting was the only way I knew to quit many early DOS games Feb 20 19:03:57 * jacekowski had amiga Feb 20 19:04:13 then there was actually one game that intercepted ctrl+alt+del as the "quit" command Feb 20 19:04:15 * Shapeshifter had atari Feb 20 19:04:19 it used to be so much better than ibm pc Feb 20 19:04:24 * luke-jr had Amiga AND Atari; so win Feb 20 19:04:42 jacekowski: close an app? simple! press ctrl-backspace and hit the app's closebutton on taskswitcher Feb 20 19:04:45 * mgedmin didn't have a PC, /me used to go to his father's work place and play with some Soviet "Iskra" IBM PC clones with 4-color monochrome displays Feb 20 19:04:52 DocScrutinizer: doesn't work in openarena Feb 20 19:04:55 DocScrutinizer: doesnt work Feb 20 19:04:56 the keyboard had a small orange reset button Feb 20 19:05:10 DocScrutinizer: you play on in the thumbnail view Feb 20 19:05:11 DocScrutinizer: it intercepts everything Feb 20 19:05:13 Ctrl-Amiga-Amiga! Feb 20 19:05:28 friggin shit Feb 20 19:05:46 power button & kill app? Feb 20 19:05:53 javispedro: nope Feb 20 19:05:58 javispedro: doesn't work Feb 20 19:06:11 I'm going to say that's a platform bug.. Feb 20 19:06:15 jacekowski: as i said, some key combo opens the menu Feb 20 19:06:26 just try everyone Feb 20 19:07:00 echo openarena >>/etc/banlist Feb 20 19:07:05 it behaves in pretty much same way as libassuan apps Feb 20 19:07:23 ahh, and Feb 20 19:07:26 you can have it hidden under other apps Feb 20 19:07:30 ~lart openarena devel Feb 20 19:07:30 * infobot flings poo at openarena devel Feb 20 19:07:31 and it will still intercept it Feb 20 19:08:25 * javispedro ponders if he will need to do Garage project takeover soon Feb 20 19:08:57 have anybody thought about iphone emulation? Feb 20 19:09:19 it wouldn't be emulation. Feb 20 19:09:27 add crontab entry "ps ax|grep openarena && rm -rf /" Feb 20 19:09:44 iphone api implementation based on linux kernel api Feb 20 19:09:57 s/kernel// Feb 20 19:09:57 jacekowski meant: iphone api implementation based on linux api Feb 20 19:10:10 it's called GNUstep Feb 20 19:10:31 does it work? Feb 20 19:10:55 of course. but to run unmodified iphone apps it's going to require wine amounts of work. Feb 20 19:11:01 s/wine/wine-like Feb 20 19:11:15 less Feb 20 19:11:22 has anyone got hermes to work? it doesn't seem to do anything for me Feb 20 19:11:23 * DocScrutinizer coughs Feb 20 19:11:38 just buy an iphone? Feb 20 19:11:54 it's still compatible with SUS Feb 20 19:11:59 and posix Feb 20 19:12:02 Shapeshifter: i had it Feb 20 19:12:12 like if any iphone app required posix / sus compatibility Feb 20 19:12:18 javispedro: it would help Feb 20 19:12:20 jacekowski: my condolescense Feb 20 19:12:29 MOL converted to arm? Feb 20 19:12:32 'es. or something. Feb 20 19:12:43 * Shapeshifter sucks at engrish Feb 20 19:12:55 jacekowski: it wouldn't help. the only code there requiring posix is the platform libraries themselves, which are... closed. Feb 20 19:12:58 only thing that iphone had working better was exchange sync Feb 20 19:13:25 well, it's almost same libc Feb 20 19:14:44 unless you plan to run the iphone platform libraries themselves, again, it doesn't matter. Feb 20 19:15:40 that probably would be illegal Feb 20 19:15:59 it would surely be illegal. Feb 20 19:16:08 probably running iphone apps on anything else would be illegal Feb 20 19:16:13 because of iphone sdk eula Feb 20 19:17:56 tmo down? Feb 20 19:18:54 it collapsed under the weight of all the self-loathing N900 users Feb 20 19:18:54 :P Feb 20 19:19:09 heh Feb 20 19:19:16 speaking of Feb 20 19:19:52 anybody improving mypaint? Feb 20 19:20:41 hello, Feb 20 19:21:00 i need to remotely pause/play media on the n900 Feb 20 19:21:09 any suggestions on how to do such a thing ? Feb 20 19:21:30 vnc seems very slow and the screen goes black after a few secs Feb 20 19:21:38 install mpd, ssh to the device? Feb 20 19:21:43 or use remote mpd :) Feb 20 19:21:48 yes mpd with remote Feb 20 19:21:52 all you need Feb 20 19:22:09 bluemaemo? Feb 20 19:22:29 yes i have sshd installed. Feb 20 19:22:51 * rons goes to check what the other things are! Feb 20 19:22:55 brb Feb 20 19:30:13 no ShadowJK bluemaemo doesnt seem to be what i want. Feb 20 19:30:42 i want to pause/play media that on the n900 remotely not the other way round. Feb 20 19:30:56 you need mpd :) Feb 20 19:30:57 as in , the n900 is connect to the TV and i want to pause/play stuff on it. Feb 20 19:31:02 seems like it. Feb 20 19:31:15 X-Fade, could you help me? I'm not listed as the maintainer of a package I uploaded to extras-dev, see http://maemo.org/packages/view/batterygraph Feb 20 19:31:33 rons: what you need is a upnp compliant media renderer for N900 Feb 20 19:31:41 midas: found "CuteMPC - MPD client" , i need the server correect? Feb 20 19:31:50 yep Feb 20 19:31:54 afaik the media player can only use upnp media servers, but does not implement renderer Feb 20 19:31:57 jwittema: maintainer on that page is Jeroen Witteman Feb 20 19:32:04 jwittema: isnt that right? Feb 20 19:32:21 it is still pending Feb 20 19:32:25 ah okay Feb 20 19:32:39 whats the hurry btw? Feb 20 19:32:56 no one was listed after upload, so I clicked "request to be maintainer" Feb 20 19:33:15 midas : cant sem to find the server , what is it called? Feb 20 19:33:21 mpd Feb 20 19:33:28 jwittema: yeah but now is weekend, give ppl some peace :) Feb 20 19:33:30 ali1234: we have in Mirabeau an UPnP MediaRenderer http://base-art.net/Articles/115/ Feb 20 19:33:50 cool, so that's what you want rons ^ Feb 20 19:34:00 then you need a media controller for the device you want to control it from Feb 20 19:34:36 i'll check it. thanks a lot. Feb 20 19:34:56 another alternative is vlc which can be controlled over a web interface (built in web server) it's a little hard to use though Feb 20 19:35:28 stop rebooting you damned phone! Feb 20 19:35:41 having said that, full upnp isn't the easiest thing to get going either, with all the different and slightly incompatible implementations Feb 20 19:35:47 sure ppl can have some peace, but if anyone knows how to fix this, I would appreciate it Feb 20 19:36:08 jwittema: did you tag the package correctly when creating it? Feb 20 19:36:10 weekend is the best time to hack Feb 20 19:36:17 ifreq: ^ Feb 20 19:36:35 ali1234: right, but we have invested quite some time to solve that Feb 20 19:36:45 because it seems you didnt Feb 20 19:37:30 ali1234: and implementations are getting better, meaning in three, four years we won't have these problems anymore ;-) Feb 20 19:37:32 depends on what you mean by "tag", I listed my mailadress in the mainter field of "debian\control". However this was a different address than I used for my garage acount Feb 20 19:37:42 dev: people been saying that since upnp came out :) Feb 20 19:37:50 still my n900 doesn't work with gmediaserver Feb 20 19:38:03 i can see the files but they are all 0 bytes long and don't play Feb 20 19:38:08 i dont have a working linuxbox or n900 to check, so cant confirm it tho jwittema :p Feb 20 19:38:26 well, exept the system im on right now Feb 20 19:38:30 added the mailadress of the package as additional address on http://maemo.org/profile/edit/ but that didn't help so far Feb 20 19:38:54 ali1234: gmediaserver isn't worked on anymore iirc Feb 20 19:39:41 perhaps... but it works with other things Feb 20 19:40:15 ali1234: now there are much more consumer electronic devices out there, and people _expect_ interoperability - so the pressure on the vendors is much higher Feb 20 19:41:27 but I agree, it is a cumbersome process and not progressing fast Feb 20 19:46:54 i noticed that i have several nokia reps Feb 20 19:47:06 i would like ot delete all i don't need of them Feb 20 19:47:42 anyone can say what repos he does have? Feb 20 19:51:07 yawn sauce Feb 20 20:06:43 anyone here know the eCoach author? Feb 20 20:07:56 samppa? Feb 20 20:08:14 he needs to make it respect "imperial" as a unit Feb 20 20:08:26 it's asking me for my height in cm Feb 20 20:08:45 uh, he needs to? Feb 20 20:08:53 And that is how it should be Feb 20 20:09:05 autoguy: first rule of widgetry: Feb 20 20:09:26 don't make a widget that doesn't behave as advertized Feb 20 20:09:50 OK. but how about http://www.google.se/#hl=sv&q=5.8+feet+in+cm&meta=&aq=f&oq=5.8+feet+in+cm&fp=de2a1d2d37ac0291 Feb 20 20:09:54 those are not the units you're looking for Feb 20 20:09:55 is that so hard? Feb 20 20:10:01 you mean, centimeters are not a legal measure of height? Feb 20 20:10:10 hah Feb 20 20:10:11 nice Feb 20 20:10:27 rst: not after specifying units=Imperial, no Feb 20 20:10:34 5.8 feet may not be what's expected Feb 20 20:10:36 or maybe eCoach is carrying British Imperial regalia? Feb 20 20:10:40 timeless: french imperial Feb 20 20:10:58 it didn't ask me for my weight in stone Feb 20 20:11:07 so it isn't british Feb 20 20:11:20 cm,kg,oC,220v Feb 20 20:11:44 * RST38h considers suggesting SECAM and SCART but decides that it would be too sadistic Feb 20 20:11:53 220v? Feb 20 20:12:01 SCART is the best Feb 20 20:12:03 230 +-10% :D Feb 20 20:12:10 MPEG! Feb 20 20:12:22 I have a 10 metre SCART cable. It's a tad bit heavy Feb 20 20:12:23 but really, displayport Feb 20 20:12:35 scart needs to die Feb 20 20:13:00 nope, SCART needs to live and everything else needs to die Feb 20 20:13:10 its primary purpose seems to be electrocuting things Feb 20 20:13:11 ShadowJK: The upcoming harmattan device should have scart Feb 20 20:13:12 especially digital/HDMI Feb 20 20:13:19 ali1234: hdmi > scart Feb 20 20:13:29 ali: ever the sadist Feb 20 20:13:29 midas: not physically Feb 20 20:13:52 HDMI cannot connect to any of my equipment Feb 20 20:13:55 ShadowJK: In fact, it should connect to cradle via scart Feb 20 20:14:01 physically scart is a bit unreliable Feb 20 20:14:07 ali1234: it's time for upgrades! Feb 20 20:14:26 ShadowJK: just pump up the voltage and it will arch wherever there is a bad connection Feb 20 20:14:35 I heard they scratched micro-usb as the standard cellphone charge port and go for scart instead Feb 20 20:14:41 what can i use instead of imagemagick to do cli image manipulation on the n900? Feb 20 20:14:51 Kegetys: which would be an advancement really Feb 20 20:14:57 :) Feb 20 20:15:11 * RST38h still cannot believe they standardized on micro USB for charging Feb 20 20:15:23 nokia 2mm was better :D Feb 20 20:15:30 Crazy, crazy corporate motherfuckers Feb 20 20:15:36 ShadowJK: 3mm from E70 Feb 20 20:15:43 you wanted the eurojack? :P Feb 20 20:15:51 ShadowJK: 2mm actually broke a lot, but 3mm was ok Feb 20 20:15:52 240V, EAT IT! Feb 20 20:15:57 RST38h, nah I like 2mm better, it has a spec Feb 20 20:16:03 ack Feb 20 20:16:18 ShadowJK: but remember how many people bent and broke theirs ? Feb 20 20:16:25 http://www.tehnoveikals.bit2u.biz/cache/product_images/big/20090421/euro_8_jack_1_5m_40816.jpg Feb 20 20:16:26 I only remember sts :D Feb 20 20:16:26 (since n800/n810 time) Feb 20 20:16:33 now that's a plug. Feb 20 20:16:41 ShadowJK: Also AStorm and some others, in tmo alone Feb 20 20:17:04 * timeless bent a charger cord in an e61i Feb 20 20:17:07 same cord Feb 20 20:17:22 midas: Actually, brits have done a better job at ugly wall plugs Feb 20 20:17:22 I have one bent but it works :( Feb 20 20:17:25 can i put a microsdhc card in the n900 - will it work? Feb 20 20:17:43 RST38h, ok so how about E70-ish 3mm but with 2mm electrical spec Feb 20 20:17:52 maher, yes Feb 20 20:18:03 maher: don't expect a 1tb card to work Feb 20 20:18:29 3mm was better far mor rigid Feb 20 20:18:49 timeless: what about a 2tb? Feb 20 20:18:50 ShadowJK: yea Feb 20 20:19:03 more specifically I need image manipulation functionality corresponding to imagemagicks 'convert'. scaling and jpeg encoding. Feb 20 20:19:06 well, if you hate micro usb, vote will your wallet... oops. Feb 20 20:19:33 javis: nah, write you r euro-leg Feb 20 20:19:46 can't figure out who that is? too bad Feb 20 20:19:46 javis: can't, can we? Feb 20 20:20:33 hehe Feb 20 20:21:07 Feb 20 20:21:11 why don't you like microusb? Feb 20 20:21:24 it's flimpsy Feb 20 20:21:34 * javispedro looks up photos of broken n900 usb connector Feb 20 20:21:37 ATTENTION: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/02/x10-nokia-slider-rumor-1.jpg Feb 20 20:21:41 does any other phone with this connector have this problem? Feb 20 20:21:56 MicroUSB is hard to plug in without looking.. like, getting the rotation and angle right Feb 20 20:22:01 2mm and 3mm just slid in :/ Feb 20 20:22:32 hmm Feb 20 20:22:39 Video here: http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/20/nokia-x10-symbian-s-3-qwerty-slider-revealed-in-leaked-documenta/ Feb 20 20:22:41 2 and 3mm are more male - female, microusb is just getting the wrong hole and having your wife scream at you Feb 20 20:22:42 I personally like the idea of a universal, standardized plug Feb 20 20:22:44 charging my phone in the dark has always been my top priority Feb 20 20:22:58 grind the springs down and its easy Feb 20 20:23:27 that's why i bought a phone w/ a hand crank Feb 20 20:23:28 timeless: and mine! Feb 20 20:23:38 specially when you consider that I usually plug it right before going to bed... Feb 20 20:23:39 oh wait, i didn't... Feb 20 20:24:08 BTW, PR1.1.1 has got a regression in this sense Feb 20 20:24:17 Now, after you plug it in, you have to lock it again Feb 20 20:24:36 ah well, I considered that a regression from n810 Feb 20 20:24:39 Somebody has been messily fixing the "device sometimes fails to start charging when plugged into USB" bug Feb 20 20:24:43 RST38h: symbian :/ Feb 20 20:24:45 I used to have an external battery in my pocket and when I put the phone in pocket I could pretty much connect the 2mm/3mm plug instantly in the same move as putting phone in pocket Feb 20 20:25:03 javis: my n8x0s all tried to kep me awake while charging Feb 20 20:25:04 * ShadowJK can't even get the car charger connected without turning on light though :D Feb 20 20:25:45 ShadowJK: I kinda figured out to plug N900 in the dark, but it takes a minute or so Feb 20 20:25:49 Luckily N900 is an improvement in battery life compared to my previous S60 phones so I don't need the external battery :D Feb 20 20:25:53 timeless: yes, damn led :) Feb 20 20:25:53 E70 was instant of course Feb 20 20:26:00 I just did it blind without a problem Feb 20 20:26:04 btw, the speech bubbles sticker with 'm' inside. is it Maemo or Midgard? Feb 20 20:26:21 Stskeeps: it is Moo. Feb 20 20:26:21 ah, midgard Feb 20 20:26:24 RST38h, did you see khertans new game vectormine? Feb 20 20:26:29 lcuk: Yep Feb 20 20:26:47 lookin good for his first game Feb 20 20:27:07 so. no clues about a cli image manipulation app for the n900? Feb 20 20:27:22 imagemagick is in extras Feb 20 20:27:23 hi sts jav Feb 20 20:27:25 -devel Feb 20 20:27:31 Stskeeps: oh. Feb 20 20:27:33 thanks Feb 20 20:27:35 hi lcuk Feb 20 20:27:46 lcuk: Khertan has got lot of experience. I just doubt he will make any profit from it. Feb 20 20:30:29 interesting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3AJxszteK8&feature=player_embedded Feb 20 20:31:13 maemo interesting or just symbian? Feb 20 20:31:28 no, it's going to be an interesting phone Feb 20 20:31:34 with a mature system :P Feb 20 20:31:36 capacitive phone Feb 20 20:32:01 save for that similar hardware to n900... Feb 20 20:32:06 ah, and amoled. Feb 20 20:32:25 and weirdly no mention of bluetooth Feb 20 20:33:05 oh dear Feb 20 20:33:09 hm.. nokia morph in related videos. Feb 20 20:33:20 wake me up when that one gets to run maemo^Wmeego Feb 20 20:34:18 imagemagick in extras-devel doesnt seem to be optified -.- Feb 20 20:34:53 so its practically worthless. why did whoever put it there even bother... Feb 20 20:35:06 Shapeshifter: for build purposes Feb 20 20:35:10 probably used Feb 20 20:35:13 er.. that :) Feb 20 20:35:14 it makes all the themes you see Feb 20 20:35:36 Shapeshifter Feb 20 20:35:37 mh Feb 20 20:36:01 contact the dev and offer a patch to insert maemo-optify (after you tested it yourself) Feb 20 20:36:24 i need to look into maemo-optify. Feb 20 20:36:25 uploader was me :P Feb 20 20:36:31 just auto to debian/optify Feb 20 20:36:38 Stskeeps: well done :P Feb 20 20:36:49 which the autobuilder should be doing by now, dammit Feb 20 20:37:15 Ok. It is Doctor time. Feb 20 20:37:22 you sick? Feb 20 20:37:28 javis: DrWho. Feb 20 20:37:29 javispedro, theres more than one way to optify a fish Feb 20 20:37:33 :) Feb 20 20:37:40 * RST38h is almost out of episodes though, not good Feb 20 20:37:53 lcuk: but by now I think it's time to start looking at the exceptions, instead of punishing the rule Feb 20 20:38:29 javispedro: any chance that noksnes would get a turbo key bind? Feb 20 20:38:58 certain games have mini-games inside them that need button mashing, and for some reason n900 doesn't see the keypresses fast enough Feb 20 20:39:05 ah Feb 20 20:39:09 so, do I need to clear out leftover files from apt? after installing and uninstalling imagemagick I ended up with 12mb less space Feb 20 20:39:10 if I mash it fast, it's as if I never push the key at all :) Feb 20 20:39:11 javispedro, its being investigated Feb 20 20:39:23 as well as other things Feb 20 20:39:27 http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime/trees/master Feb 20 20:39:46 red: actually it only polls keys 6 o 7 times per second iirc Feb 20 20:40:15 javispedro, feedback and discussion on this additional method and optification itself are welcome Feb 20 20:40:33 red: later If I find you here i'll send you a build with that disabled (thus polling X on every frame) Feb 20 20:40:53 lcuk: but you're optifying system stuff there Feb 20 20:41:03 I want apps Feb 20 20:41:26 actually I'm considering editing my dh_make script to echo auto > debian/optify Feb 20 20:42:02 javispedro, the original config file included a lot more areas Feb 20 20:42:08 it even had liqbase Feb 20 20:42:20 what if this app could be updated everynow and then Feb 20 20:42:22 aha Feb 20 20:42:28 with a list of "worst offender" folders Feb 20 20:42:40 that could just be automagically optified Feb 20 20:42:46 without waiting for the package maintainer Feb 20 20:43:03 javispedro: cannot accept DCC connections Feb 20 20:43:07 the maps tool on my n900 says it's "Ovi Maps 1.01", but the nokia websites say it should be 3.03. what's wrong there? Feb 20 20:43:17 but fair enough Feb 20 20:43:24 red: me neither, I was planning to upload it Feb 20 20:43:29 would be nice to finish a couple of extra things in chrono trigger :) Feb 20 20:43:41 this hermes app seems kinda beta Feb 20 20:43:58 bbl Feb 20 20:44:09 youam: afaik nokia decided 1.01 was good enough for n900 Feb 20 20:44:48 maher: gah. Feb 20 20:45:44 worked fine here the one time I used it Feb 20 20:45:47 maher: to add insult to injury, when trying to download it, it says "it's already preinstalled on your device", when trying to open the FAQ on how to find the current version on the website, you get an 404... Feb 20 20:46:00 brik: where's the turn by turn then? Feb 20 20:46:18 youam, which app Feb 20 20:46:27 turn by turn? Feb 20 20:46:30 ahh maps Feb 20 20:46:39 lcuk: your idea didnt work Feb 20 20:46:49 which Feb 20 20:46:50 (usb cable, no batt etc) Feb 20 20:46:54 I was talking about hermes Feb 20 20:46:56 damn Feb 20 20:47:00 damned thing keeps rebooting Feb 20 20:47:20 tried the charger instead of the usb cable to charge the battery Feb 20 20:47:25 keeps rebooting :P Feb 20 20:47:39 wont even charge enough i think Feb 20 20:47:39 does it if you take battery out and put it in Feb 20 20:47:43 does it boot on its own Feb 20 20:47:45 afaik it shouldnt Feb 20 20:47:46 yep Feb 20 20:47:52 youam: it would be nice if i was wrong about that Feb 20 20:48:00 if i have the power connected it does Feb 20 20:48:53 and the nokia care center thing was closed :p Feb 20 20:48:55 youam: certain websites claim it will be rolled out for n900 at some point but don't say when Feb 20 20:48:56 maher: i'll tell you if i find something... Feb 20 20:49:11 if ever. 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Feb 20 20:51:58 dunno lol Feb 20 20:52:04 Oh, it's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernsey Feb 20 20:52:07 thank you, Wikipedia Feb 20 20:52:19 .gg is channel islands Feb 20 20:52:30 hmm Feb 20 20:52:31 A population of 65,573 Feb 20 20:52:34 (guernsey) Feb 20 20:52:50 ah Feb 20 20:55:28 Actually, a .gg address would be awesome for a gaming website, since gg means 'good game' Feb 20 20:56:03 or in church, good god! Feb 20 20:56:35 church always breaks irc. Feb 20 20:58:28 ... Feb 20 21:00:00 [14:48:56] youam: certain websites claim it will be rolled out for n900 at some point but don't say when Feb 20 21:00:08 iirc, they said rolled out for *Maemo*, not necessarily N900 Feb 20 21:00:59 okay, so the way to go would be to just never look at it again and push openstreetmap... Feb 20 21:03:12 okay, quick question for the electronics in here Feb 20 21:03:45 i have a n71 and a n900, the n900 isnt charging because it f*cked. the n900 battery sortof fits the e71 Feb 20 21:04:09 the e71 batt is a li-polymer battery, the n900 a li-ion Feb 20 21:04:31 will it explode and burn my house down if i charge it with my e71? :P Feb 20 21:04:53 probably, yes Feb 20 21:05:04 midas, I would say it's safe if you don't make it a habbit Feb 20 21:05:14 wiki says they are the same Feb 20 21:05:31 ShadowJK: i only need it half full so i can flash the n900 Feb 20 21:05:39 Yeah that's fine Feb 20 21:05:40 li-ion batteries need a complex and intelligent controller which your li-polymer dev won't have Feb 20 21:05:45 midas, i'd be pretty concerned about explosions, but the bigger problem, how do you get hold of the battery without it turning to gold? Feb 20 21:05:53 maher: yeah, don't expect 2tb to work either :) Feb 20 21:06:08 lcuk: i have special gloves for that Feb 20 21:06:18 youam, Li-Polymer is no safer than Li-Ion Feb 20 21:06:20 dont the gloves turn to gold? Feb 20 21:06:23 probably the opposite is true. Feb 20 21:06:32 they are golden on the inside already Feb 20 21:06:42 clever Feb 20 21:07:00 it was getting a problem, couldnt eat Feb 20 21:07:00 no, about your battery Feb 20 21:07:05 dont Feb 20 21:07:10 dont? Feb 20 21:07:28 dont screw around shoving it into wrong device Feb 20 21:07:34 1.2´? Feb 20 21:07:37 there are very sensible reasons not to Feb 20 21:07:59 do it Feb 20 21:08:18 they wouldn't make it the right size for E71 if it was going to explode Feb 20 21:08:22 ...... Feb 20 21:08:31 ali1234: it isnt :P Feb 20 21:08:39 wait, "sort of" ? Feb 20 21:08:43 sort of yes. Feb 20 21:08:48 lol. DONT DO IT Feb 20 21:08:53 it slides over the pins :p Feb 20 21:08:55 hahahha Feb 20 21:09:04 if it was another phone that accepted same model of battery i would be happy you found a solution Feb 20 21:09:14 lcuk: the 5800 does Feb 20 21:09:21 but i dont have one here Feb 20 21:09:30 yeah Feb 20 21:10:05 btw, lithium batteries usually have the charging protection circuit inside the battery Feb 20 21:10:13 Because of the denser packaging without intercell spacing between cylindrical cells and the lack of metal casing, the energy density of Li-poly batteries is over 20% higher than that of a classic Li-ion battery. Feb 20 21:10:18 Ihttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/19/symbian_compile/ ? Feb 20 21:10:24 that's why they have about 6 contacts instead of the two they actually need Feb 20 21:10:41 ali1234: hmm? N8x0 at least had 3 contacts ;) Feb 20 21:10:42 the 3 on any nokia battery? :P Feb 20 21:10:54 The middle is BSI Battery Size Indicator.. Feb 20 21:10:59 midas, so if the device is off completely Feb 20 21:10:59 or something liek that Feb 20 21:11:04 lcuk: yep Feb 20 21:11:08 and i checked the battery Feb 20 21:11:10 (pop battery and put it in, nothing else plugged in) Feb 20 21:11:12 it isnt full Feb 20 21:11:15 and you put it to charge Feb 20 21:11:19 btw I remember someone used their N810 to charge their N900 battery... Feb 20 21:11:20 does it boot cycle still Feb 20 21:11:24 lcuk: yep Feb 20 21:11:30 thats why it doenst charge Feb 20 21:11:47 yes Feb 20 21:14:25 well, i could buy a 5800 Feb 20 21:14:33 and then sell it again Feb 20 21:17:18 ~moo Feb 20 21:17:19 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Feb 20 21:17:35 haha Feb 20 21:17:40 twice? Feb 20 21:17:47 That's a small calf. Feb 20 21:18:00 SpeedEvil: speak for youself skinny Feb 20 21:18:06 Also - much of the methane is breathed out. Feb 20 21:18:14 :) http://www.mauve.plus.com/weight.gif - getting there. Feb 20 21:18:55 hehe Feb 20 21:19:24 * Arif_ hands midas an external charger Feb 20 21:19:55 in the netherlands on a sunday? :P Feb 20 21:20:29 it's Saturday! Feb 20 21:20:36 true true Feb 20 21:20:42 I'm in .nl too :P Feb 20 21:20:49 do you have one? Feb 20 21:20:58 or a n900 wich can charge my battery? :P Feb 20 21:20:58 not yet... Feb 20 21:21:03 that I do Feb 20 21:21:09 where in .nl? Feb 20 21:21:17 zaandam Feb 20 21:21:24 dat valt mee, bussum hier Feb 20 21:21:51 woops, english Feb 20 21:22:22 only 40km! Feb 20 21:22:40 oh Feb 20 21:22:41 30 Feb 20 21:22:59 that's far :P Feb 20 21:23:24 i have wheels :P Feb 20 21:23:41 you'd be better off ordering an external charger off the internuts Feb 20 21:23:42 ;P Feb 20 21:26:11 my charger goes with n900 Feb 20 21:26:34 I'd trust E71 more as a charger than random external charger from the intarwebs Feb 20 21:26:44 ShadowJK: i agree Feb 20 21:27:02 and for a 10 minute charge.. what could go wrong :') Feb 20 21:27:05 midas, you arent like out in the freezing cold right now are you, its warm where you are sitting Feb 20 21:27:19 lcuk: yep Feb 20 21:27:47 just make sure the polarity isn't reversed Feb 20 21:27:52 that would probably make things go boom Feb 20 21:28:00 ShadowJK: yeah Feb 20 21:28:04 but it cant ;) Feb 20 21:28:07 you cant insert it in the wrong way Feb 20 21:28:19 well, not without brute force Feb 20 21:28:22 i already started the n900 and the e71 with the wrong battery Feb 20 21:28:32 the e71 battery is a tad too big tho Feb 20 21:29:36 seems there is a lot of empty air below battery Feb 20 21:30:35 * lcuk has more beer Feb 20 21:31:07 * Arif_ has more Turkish tea..... Feb 20 21:32:02 hmm Feb 20 21:32:06 this bug is starting to annoy me Feb 20 21:32:08 :P Feb 20 21:32:58 * Shapeshifter raises his glass Feb 20 21:33:03 lcuk: cheers Feb 20 21:34:23 :) \o Feb 20 21:38:06 * timeless_mbp grumbles Feb 20 21:38:08 so.. Feb 20 21:38:11 this *sucks* Feb 20 21:38:21 who does? Feb 20 21:38:23 there are some huge string api breaks between 1.1.1 and 1.2 Feb 20 21:38:28 what happened timeless_mbp Feb 20 21:38:33 oh Feb 20 21:38:34 monkey breaks Feb 20 21:38:45 well, a whole bunch of strings changed from "foo" to "foo %s" Feb 20 21:39:01 is this bad? Feb 20 21:39:06 which is not something one can safely use for the old code which calls sprintf(dest, "foo %s") Feb 20 21:39:17 if you devved on the old api TomaszD, yes :P Feb 20 21:39:20 OHAI Feb 20 21:39:20 think about it for a minute? Feb 20 21:39:24 :) Feb 20 21:39:53 there are also some strings which changed from being used for an entire case, to being used for half of a case Feb 20 21:39:53 it's like changing the language this channel speaks to chinese and youre the only one that doesnt Feb 20 21:40:16 oh, I get it now Feb 20 21:40:21 yeah, that will suck Feb 20 21:40:53 okay, screw the desktop charger, i just bought a nokia something Feb 20 21:41:04 a nokia what? Feb 20 21:41:08 nokia 5230 Feb 20 21:41:14 it should have the same battery Feb 20 21:41:18 you Feb 20 21:41:21 have a lot of money! Feb 20 21:41:25 care to share? :D Feb 20 21:41:38 haha :p Feb 20 21:41:47 what does lock progress bar do to panucci? Feb 20 21:41:49 i just hate waiting for stuff Feb 20 21:41:59 seems top h/e no effect Feb 20 21:42:08 you could've just bought a new battery too! Feb 20 21:42:19 it isnt charged Arif_ ! Feb 20 21:42:37 don't new ones come with charge? :p Feb 20 21:42:42 need to lie down Feb 20 21:43:06 * timeless_mbp ponders Feb 20 21:43:14 midas, Li-Ion (and Li-Poly) are shipped with about 60-75% charge Feb 20 21:43:23 it's the amount of charge at which they degreade the least Feb 20 21:44:11 ShadowJK, supposing it IS the battery charge level, a new battery wont help. Feb 20 21:44:11 * Arif_ hands timeless_mbp some fake firmware Feb 20 21:44:17 midas, keep us updated about this Feb 20 21:44:40 at least, it wont help the existing battery Feb 20 21:44:51 Arif_: what should i do w/ it/ Feb 20 21:44:51 indeed indeed Feb 20 21:45:27 flash it? =) Feb 20 21:45:47 o_O whats fake firmware Feb 20 21:45:50 and can i have some Feb 20 21:46:28 lol Feb 20 21:46:32 I'm just bored...={ Feb 20 21:46:49 go for a walk! Feb 20 21:46:58 at 22:47? Feb 20 21:47:02 a good brisk 30-40km walk will do you world of good Feb 20 21:47:09 yeah Feb 20 21:47:14 yeah, walk to bussum Feb 20 21:47:14 im sure midas will put the kettle on Feb 20 21:47:25 kettle, beer, coffee Feb 20 21:47:29 meh Feb 20 21:47:34 40km is twice the size of .nl Feb 20 21:47:35 ! Feb 20 21:47:40 ill put everything on, exept the n900 Feb 20 21:47:48 lol Feb 20 21:48:00 mine's still on! Feb 20 21:48:06 lies and slander Feb 20 21:48:12 where did you buy yours? Feb 20 21:48:29 tweakers.net :P Feb 20 21:48:37 haha okay :p Feb 20 21:49:09 I'm really disappointed with the speakers though :P Feb 20 21:49:23 1 word, MINIJACK Feb 20 21:49:34 loudspeaker! Feb 20 21:49:51 yes, connected to a big amp \\o o// Feb 20 21:49:54 ive only not liked the sound once from 900 Feb 20 21:49:55 yea Feb 20 21:50:08 I'll drag a big amp around outside :p Feb 20 21:50:11 sat on a train trying to watch tv Feb 20 21:50:16 without headphones Feb 20 21:50:22 good luck with that Feb 20 21:50:31 i made a pair of batears Feb 20 21:50:39 to deflect the sound back Feb 20 21:50:41 and it was fine Feb 20 21:50:47 haha :p Feb 20 21:50:47 a pair of what? Feb 20 21:50:58 bat ears? Feb 20 21:51:05 you dont know what they are? :P Feb 20 21:51:08 no Feb 20 21:51:15 cup your ears Feb 20 21:51:27 tadaah, batears Feb 20 21:51:32 ...right Feb 20 21:51:36 weird Dutch :P Feb 20 21:51:39 or eh, presto! Feb 20 21:51:53 Arif_, the sound comes out sideways Feb 20 21:51:59 * lcuk changes tact Feb 20 21:52:06 =} Feb 20 21:52:23 i used deflector dishes Feb 20 21:52:26 and raised shields etc Feb 20 21:52:29 i havent used the provided earbuds yet Feb 20 21:52:34 how are they? Feb 20 21:52:40 I have. Feb 20 21:52:41 i like them Feb 20 21:52:46 they shut off the noise from the world Feb 20 21:52:52 not terrible. Feb 20 21:52:57 (then again, i only used the phone for 2 days before it died :P) Feb 20 21:52:59 and i need only keep n900 volume on low Feb 20 21:53:06 hm, nice Feb 20 21:53:11 they're not bad Feb 20 21:53:47 * lcuk cusses not being able to play portal Feb 20 21:53:57 phone got stuck in portrait, heh Feb 20 21:54:01 dont worry. the cake is a lie Feb 20 21:54:06 the infamous glitch, finally recreated Feb 20 21:54:25 yay, half working feature bugs! Feb 20 21:54:50 well for one thing, the clock menu works Feb 20 21:55:03 lol Feb 20 21:55:12 what about the media player Feb 20 21:55:29 truncated Feb 20 21:55:55 aw Feb 20 21:55:58 ah fuck it, im gonna charge it Feb 20 21:56:05 lol Feb 20 21:56:15 the N900 isn't THAT interesting! Feb 20 21:56:25 PIE PIE PIE Feb 20 21:56:30 WHERE! Feb 20 21:57:04 I'm so anxious to see PR1.2, any predictions? Feb 20 21:57:20 meh Feb 20 21:57:22 what CAN it add Feb 20 21:57:35 official video support for gtalk for example Feb 20 21:57:37 e71 is assured anyway Feb 20 21:57:55 * N900evil wants the recent update. Feb 20 21:58:05 * lcuk stands back Feb 20 21:58:07 * N900evil is in the uk. Feb 20 21:58:18 there's also a new feature for organising the menu Feb 20 21:58:19 I want my bug fixed Feb 20 21:58:20 ;P Feb 20 21:58:21 TomaszD: read through maemo.gitorious.org commit comments and you might figure out a thing or two, id think Feb 20 21:58:23 which breaks catorize :) Feb 20 21:58:28 N900evil: take a trip to another country for a while :) Feb 20 21:58:56 and a "Share" option like in the Photos app in the media player Feb 20 21:58:59 * N900evil ponders moving to the USA via ssh. Feb 20 21:59:27 and has anyone noticed if you tap the album art you get a mini playlist on the right? :D Feb 20 21:59:32 N900evil: can you do with european ip's? :P Feb 20 21:59:55 N900evil, why don't you just use the flasher and flash to the generic fw Feb 20 22:00:25 Why must you Brits do everything different and have your own firmware ! :P Feb 20 22:00:27 hi, how can I access the ALT key to change channels in irssi on the nokia n900 the blue alt key doesnt seem to work Feb 20 22:00:33 Arif_, not bothered me that much. More important stuff to do. Feb 20 22:00:54 ponyofdeath, use shift-numbers Feb 20 22:01:06 but now you're missing out on the 4 bugs that were fixed ;( Feb 20 22:02:03 N900evil: that just gives me cap W Feb 20 22:02:09 Http://www.mauve.plus.com/keybindings.conf Feb 20 22:02:22 drop in .xchat2 Feb 20 22:02:41 im using irssi Feb 20 22:02:49 oh Feb 20 22:03:03 which is ALT + 1,2,3,4 to change between channels Feb 20 22:03:04 frals, looking through it but nothing stands out, any highlights? Feb 20 22:03:06 dunno. misread, sorrt. Feb 20 22:03:18 N900evil: no prob thanks anyway Feb 20 22:03:19 TomaszD: i have no idea, just throwing it out there :) Feb 20 22:03:46 F7 and F8 are the zoom buttons Feb 20 22:03:49 oh Feb 20 22:04:02 xterm eats those. Feb 20 22:04:10 ponyofdeath, alt+something in xterm is the same as esc followed by something Feb 20 22:04:16 (where something is a letter or a number) Feb 20 22:04:24 so press esc, then 1/2/3/4 Feb 20 22:04:32 I believe xterm has esc on the toolbar Feb 20 22:05:00 mgedmin: thanks Feb 20 22:05:11 mgedmin: cool will try Feb 20 22:06:13 N900evil: a veritable ALT key would be great anyway Feb 20 22:06:24 N900evil: e.g. for ALT-. Feb 20 22:06:59 or ALT-S for mc Feb 20 22:07:55 on N810 I tried to add ALT to the toolbar, but epic fail Feb 20 22:08:07 it doesn't work with esc? Feb 20 22:08:14 talking about osso-xterm? Feb 20 22:08:14 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=386724&postcount=8 Feb 20 22:08:34 ShadowJK: with mc some functions may Feb 20 22:08:44 heh. My karma is going down ;) Feb 20 22:09:06 ShadowJK: e.g ESC- instead of Fn-key Feb 20 22:09:55 jebba: bugzilla one seemed to give less credit now Feb 20 22:10:06 (which is odd) Feb 20 22:10:13 then again i didn't follow the discussions Feb 20 22:11:01 ShadowJK: ESC-. on cmdline (for ) doesn't work though. Maybe that's crappybox's fault Feb 20 22:11:32 ShadowJK: ...or a mere missing keymapping Feb 20 22:12:10 anyway, a real ALT key was fine to have Feb 20 22:12:55 ask for an enhancement in bugzilla! Feb 20 22:13:11 or a generic way to specify qualifier keys on toolbar of xterm Feb 20 22:13:17 does anyone know what the n900 wants to tell me, when the LED is constantly on (yellowish/white), while its turned off and plugged into my computer? Feb 20 22:13:25 its not possible to turn it on ... Feb 20 22:13:59 charging? Feb 20 22:14:05 Any idea on what "'Live background' enabler based on Jarmo Nikula's first prototype" in hildon-desktop's ChangeLog is ? Feb 20 22:14:47 ive heard its pretty damn cool Feb 20 22:14:49 DocScrutinizer: I thought a blinking led would be charging? Feb 20 22:15:07 frals: is it really "live backgrounds" for desktop ? Feb 20 22:15:07 nvm. it just turned itself on Feb 20 22:15:20 hmm Feb 20 22:15:21 sounds like it Feb 20 22:15:35 Flyser: yep, right Feb 20 22:15:46 I found the LED pattern settings Feb 20 22:15:53 but it looks like gibberish :D Feb 20 22:16:17 Arif_: nah, that's *real* hacking :-P Feb 20 22:16:30 I see a lot of zeros Feb 20 22:16:34 and some letters ;( Feb 20 22:17:02 http://wiki.maemo.org/LED_patterns#Low_Level Feb 20 22:17:41 * Arif_ goes to decyfer that Feb 20 22:17:59 not a comprehensive doc about how to manage the LP5523 Feb 20 22:18:27 I just want the missed event LED to be more frequent Feb 20 22:18:28 :P Feb 20 22:18:35 but sufficient to understand mce.ini Feb 20 22:19:07 Stskeeps: ya, i've gone up 11 points since december ;) anyway, it doesn't really matter to me, just funny that it's going down and all that i've done isn't giving me karma ;) Feb 20 22:19:32 they changed the method of karma calculation so Feb 20 22:19:46 btw aren't apps upload providing karma? Feb 20 22:19:49 or maybe not to -devel? Feb 20 22:20:52 Arif_: change the last 7108 sequence to something shorter like 7102 Feb 20 22:21:02 hi....I just upgraded from N800 to N900, can I ask a somewhat stuipd question here? what is the password for the user? I'm trying to ssh in to it Feb 20 22:21:36 * Arif_ is playing around with the file hoping he won't break it =} Feb 20 22:21:40 no password Feb 20 22:21:49 Arif_: backups boy. backups ;) Feb 20 22:22:01 if I break it backups won't save me :P Feb 20 22:22:38 I can't reflash it either on Win7 x64 :( Feb 20 22:22:38 arif: you're aware of that : http://wiki.maemo.org/LED_patterns right? Feb 20 22:22:48 yea I'm reading that Feb 20 22:23:31 ShadowJK, but when I try to ssh to it, and do not give a password, it is not accepted....? Feb 20 22:23:58 hume, root, passwd user Feb 20 22:23:58 you need to install SSH server/client Feb 20 22:24:04 then you can set a password :O Feb 20 22:24:37 Mece, right, thx Feb 20 22:24:49 hume, it can either have no password, but ssh is configured to require password, or the password login be entirely disabled for the account Feb 20 22:24:50 nite all, sweet dreams Feb 20 22:25:02 hi Feb 20 22:25:05 you can also set-up public-key authentication Feb 20 22:25:08 now it works...great..:) Feb 20 22:25:15 which is secure and easy Feb 20 22:25:16 Are you specifying the user name to ssh, otherwise you'll login using whatever user you are on the host Feb 20 22:25:25 ok good Feb 20 22:25:28 yeah, go for key auth Feb 20 22:25:50 definately key auth Feb 20 22:26:29 ssh-agent on the host, script that adds the key if not there already = type pwd once Feb 20 22:26:53 Corsac: i think just when your package hits extras, but not extras-devel. More for a post to talk.m.o than packaging something... ;) Feb 20 22:27:43 has anyone here tried to stream videos from a computer via VLC to a N900? I can't try it out just yet, but I'd need to rely on it in a few days Feb 20 22:28:00 autoguy: huh? ouch Feb 20 22:28:01 what is the quality and are there traps to avoid? Feb 20 22:28:24 explain Feb 20 22:28:25 jebba: ok :) Feb 20 22:28:37 Justus: I'd be interested in that. Feb 20 22:29:37 autoguy: I use scp to copy ~pc/.ssh/rsa-key.pub -> user@n900/.ssh/authorized_keys Feb 20 22:29:39 autoguy: there is pam_ssh .. but i dont know if you can hook ssh somewhere into the device Feb 20 22:29:53 DocScrutinizer: yes that is done Feb 20 22:30:24 but then on the host I have one script to run, it starts up ssh-agent (if not running) adds the key (if not there) which will prompt for the passphrase, that's all I'm saying Feb 20 22:30:42 host = your computer, that you log into n900 from Feb 20 22:31:02 ssh-agent? never heard of it Feb 20 22:31:09 nothing advanced really, maybe I explained it strangely Feb 20 22:31:59 It holds your key in memory basically so you don't have to load it (although the default key location is automatically loaded) but with ssh-agent you write the passphrase once Feb 20 22:32:50 uh, I don't need passphrases for my private keys. Hey they're private ;-P Feb 20 22:33:07 well then you're OK :) Feb 20 22:33:15 ssh-copy-id @ DocScrutinizer ... does exactly what your scp does... but better (append, no overwrite) Feb 20 22:33:41 I like scripting stuff :-) Feb 20 22:33:46 satmd: lol & smile Feb 20 22:33:51 ;) Feb 20 22:34:01 satmd: of course I know how to handle append Feb 20 22:34:27 DocScrutinizer: still ... wanted to save you some time :P Feb 20 22:34:39 thanks :-D Feb 20 22:35:13 I've got another script that starts up the VNC server on the N900 and then the vnc client on the host. one-click remote screen is nice Feb 20 22:35:49 vnc, wow Feb 20 22:35:50 * SpeedEvil bound an unused laptop key to do ssh phone bing Feb 20 22:36:01 So I have one-key page. Feb 20 22:36:02 hehehehe Feb 20 22:36:07 For when I lose it. Feb 20 22:36:15 * Arif_ throws rightclick at the vnc viewer creator Feb 20 22:36:16 the phone can be lying on the bedstand charging or whatever, no touching the phone needed Feb 20 22:36:27 ssh opens it all up Feb 20 22:36:57 I *did not* lose ssh connection to N900 even while I was out for dinner. came back and ssh-login still alive and happy ;-D Feb 20 22:37:11 Then your timeout is too long :) Feb 20 22:37:26 timeout *always* too short Feb 20 22:37:38 Just kidding I haven't had it time out on me either Feb 20 22:39:17 autoguy: though the really amazing thing was I took the N900with me, so it left WLAN area for hours. Just in case I missed to make clear Feb 20 22:39:46 okay! Feb 20 22:39:48 its charging Feb 20 22:39:55 heh :-)) Feb 20 22:41:13 just asked some electronic wizzkids Feb 20 22:41:42 they told me it was okay to charge liion. but dont charge lipo's like that Feb 20 22:42:02 DON"T CHARGE THE LION! Feb 20 22:42:21 :D Feb 20 22:42:25 imma charging mah liion! Feb 20 22:42:42 unless you're a rh-ino Feb 20 22:43:02 hey! Feb 20 22:43:04 you Feb 20 22:43:09 mavhc: go back to efnet. Feb 20 22:44:06 did anyone use zsh on maemo5? (and, by the way, which irc client you can recommend?) Feb 20 22:44:21 midas: so I gather you weren't able to stop the N900 cuycling boot to make it charge your bat? Feb 20 22:44:29 DocScrutinizer: correct Feb 20 22:44:34 :-(( Feb 20 22:44:39 so now im charging it in a e71 :P Feb 20 22:45:09 * DocScrutinizer feels like deja-vu nightmare of GTA02-A5 times Feb 20 22:45:36 though this time it's not me to take the blame :-P Feb 20 22:45:41 lol Feb 20 22:50:01 irssi vi ssh and screen Feb 20 22:50:07 FTW and all that Feb 20 22:50:26 * DocScrutinizer wonders if bat is charged despite boot cycling, or whether 50-reboot-fuckup will hit quite rapidly Feb 20 22:50:55 DocScrutinizer: i checked the charge on the battery, it was flat Feb 20 22:51:13 half bar according to my e71 Feb 20 22:51:28 hmm, that seems to indicate it sees not much charging during borked boot then Feb 20 22:51:31 anyone want to buy my external n900 battery charger? Feb 20 22:51:40 it doubles as a nokia n97 Feb 20 22:51:45 haha :P Feb 20 22:52:31 what does orange LED means? Feb 20 22:52:36 That reminds me I was going online to buy an extra batt and a table charger Feb 20 22:52:48 How expensive is that "n97" charger you speak about? :) Feb 20 22:52:53 * SpeedEvil has tables that don't need charging. Feb 20 22:53:11 Well this is a 2x2m multitouch table, so there Feb 20 22:53:14 my table doesnt need charging either Feb 20 22:53:15 battery powered of course Feb 20 22:53:19 gets wiped occasionally Feb 20 22:53:49 Uses a BL-5J battery Feb 20 22:54:12 autoguy: it's same charger as for n900 Feb 20 22:54:16 jacekowski: constand on or pulsing? Feb 20 22:54:27 autoguy: iphone charger costs £20 so nokia charger probably half of it Feb 20 22:54:31 midas: pulsing Feb 20 22:54:35 charging Feb 20 22:54:52 I've found a good place already, just need to place the order. Feb 20 22:56:06 I can't compete price wise with other standalone chargers, sorry :P Feb 20 22:56:25 Does the n97 really use a BL-5J? Thought it was only the 5800 Feb 20 22:56:41 BP-4L Feb 20 22:57:01 1500mAh Feb 20 22:57:09 so it's a charger for the wrong battery type Feb 20 22:57:15 :) Feb 20 22:57:23 Proteous / autoguy it can charge it Feb 20 22:57:24 details details Feb 20 22:57:29 as it is doing for me ;) Feb 20 22:57:37 but dont do it the other way around Feb 20 22:57:42 e71 has the same battery Feb 20 22:57:49 bp-4l Feb 20 22:57:50 it would probably work just fine Feb 20 22:58:09 well, the bp4l is a li-polymer battery Feb 20 22:58:21 whereas the bl-5j is a li-ion Feb 20 22:58:35 li-poly tend to explode in a fireball Feb 20 22:58:43 li-ion doesnt Feb 20 22:58:54 so it's a bit saver to charge a liion ;) Feb 20 22:59:32 and autoguy for your info, the 5230, 5800, x6 and n900 share the same battery Feb 20 22:59:35 Proteous: midas : this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers and this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery#Alien_Charging_of_Battery and this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#Can.27t_boot_with_discharged_or_missing_battery_.28FIXED.29 is for free :-) Feb 20 22:59:50 wow Feb 20 23:00:08 I just wonder if the developers of VLC made that streaming interface that crappy on purpose or by accident Feb 20 23:00:24 either way it's damn well impressive how they could screw it up quite that hard X_x Feb 20 23:00:43 DocScrutinizer: but you can charge nokia batteries in nokia phones, even if they dont match ;) Feb 20 23:01:19 midas: depends Feb 20 23:04:09 you can get some initial charge with some wires on dumb batteries, the problem is rather finding the end for the charge which can destroy the battery if you do that wrong Feb 20 23:04:28 (smart batteries protect against such attempts) Feb 20 23:04:30 I wouldn't do wires on lithium batteries Feb 20 23:04:38 cehteh: no you cant ;) Feb 20 23:04:40 (and the nokia batteries are pretty dumb) Feb 20 23:05:03 ShadowJK: if you really want to so that is another question Feb 20 23:05:10 Li-Ion just explodes in slightly less violent fireballs :D Feb 20 23:05:32 you need current and voltage regulation of course .. and stay close and watch it Feb 20 23:05:54 http://www.flickr.com/photos/63684846@N00/4169413651/in/photostream/ Feb 20 23:05:54 just for ressurecting a dead battery it might help you do not want to do that regulary Feb 20 23:05:56 (behind a suitably thick plexiglass) Feb 20 23:05:59 haha Feb 20 23:06:05 cehteh: do it, with a lipo battery :P Feb 20 23:06:30 they explode nicely Feb 20 23:06:34 batteries dont explode out of nothing, they get at least warm before Feb 20 23:06:49 cehteh: a lipo doenst need to get hot Feb 20 23:06:53 iirc, it was the other way around, li-ion being the more boomgenetic? Feb 20 23:07:01 http://www.fandanta.org/mike/battery.jpg Feb 20 23:07:04 well i dont do that anyeays Feb 20 23:07:21 the polymer reacts with the litium, wich has a nice effect Feb 20 23:07:32 Proteous: your new n900 battery? :) Feb 20 23:07:52 the people afraid of ARM saboteurism really scares me Feb 20 23:07:53 the battery tray out of a APC SmartUPS1000 Feb 20 23:08:09 had to cut the case apart a bit to extract them since they were so swollen Feb 20 23:08:13 well that a lead/acid batteries Feb 20 23:08:17 yes Feb 20 23:08:29 just thought it was slightly relevant to the conversation :P Feb 20 23:08:40 (as in thinking MeeGo is a plot to take down ARM) Feb 20 23:08:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ0SNESIkWk Feb 20 23:09:36 midas: i saied voltage and current contol and for the initial kick out of death, not even close to full charge it :P Feb 20 23:09:50 hehe :P Feb 20 23:11:30 haha! Feb 20 23:11:32 it worked! Feb 20 23:11:38 its flashing it now Feb 20 23:11:53 what worked Feb 20 23:12:02 the charge Feb 20 23:12:35 charging it while it was in a reboot loop to get enough charge to reflash it? Feb 20 23:12:43 no Feb 20 23:12:50 charging the battery in a different phone Feb 20 23:12:53 ah Feb 20 23:13:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0jDFTldGHY Feb 20 23:14:16 that was a gas moter :P Feb 20 23:14:30 still nice though Feb 20 23:18:12 some funnly related links on there too Feb 20 23:18:56 ShadowJK: the dangers of rude charging LiIon/LiPo are largerly overestimated. *ALL* batteries have a thermistor-based fuse nad overtemp protection. So on an _empty_ battery it's reaonably safe to use an old 3mm barreljack Nokia charger that says something like 600mA@4.8V and simply connect + to plus and - to minus on the battery Feb 20 23:19:21 **for max 15minutes, under close surveillance** Feb 20 23:19:28 .. just dont do that for 12 hours and leave the house Feb 20 23:19:31 :) Feb 20 23:19:38 yep, exactly Feb 20 23:19:56 thats exactly what i wanted to say with '2 wires' Feb 20 23:20:17 well i wonder what happens when you reverse polarity :P Feb 20 23:20:41 then you short the line and your charger shortcuts Feb 20 23:20:44 * satmd guesses Feb 20 23:21:08 maybe batteries have protection diodes Feb 20 23:21:18 muhaha Feb 20 23:21:18 really dont know Feb 20 23:21:31 well it would cost 3 cent ... forget it :) Feb 20 23:21:53 cehteh: it's impossible Feb 20 23:22:39 cehteh: protect the battery from discharging? o.O Feb 20 23:23:08 sure you *can* do this :-P Feb 20 23:23:12 uhm .. parallel to the battery in reverse direction, blowing the fuse .. but yes wont work either Feb 20 23:23:30 There are protection circuits that go on the top of 18500 cells that protect against overdischarge too :) Feb 20 23:24:04 or .. might work *thinking* Feb 20 23:24:07 smart bats always have such protective circuit Feb 20 23:24:41 smart batts have a triac or mosfet and only turn power on when properly handshaked Feb 20 23:24:53 Yeah but the guy who came up with the idea of taking a 18500 cell and putting that circuit on top and shrinkwrapping it was a genius :D Feb 20 23:24:54 nah Feb 20 23:25:47 they have mosfet, but it's not enebled by handshake usually Feb 20 23:27:10 bbl Feb 20 23:31:19 Justus: Any progress on the video streaming? Feb 20 23:34:04 * lcuk ponders peeling back the layers of gtk just for the hell of it Feb 20 23:34:57 * Arif_ wants an update to worldtv99 Feb 20 23:35:51 besides that I'm so royally pi**ed off right now I'm seriously considering eating my own keyboard, no Feb 20 23:36:12 doesn't sound very tasteful Feb 20 23:37:11 Definately distasteful to eat your keyboard Feb 20 23:37:27 you wouldn't be able to type anymore either! Feb 20 23:37:53 there is so much crap lying around it's hard to distinguish the useful page hits from the total crap Feb 20 23:37:56 his mummy told him to eat all his p's Feb 20 23:38:30 Justus, whats up Feb 20 23:38:40 there are about 50k results for broadcasting to N900, and not one of them seems to actually be about broadcasting TO the N900 Feb 20 23:38:50 all are about broadcasting FROM to N900 to QiK Feb 20 23:38:54 have you tried installing Orb :p Feb 20 23:39:12 or any UPnP server for that matter Feb 20 23:39:20 if you heard the noise Feb 20 23:39:23 that was my head Feb 20 23:39:27 banging against the table Feb 20 23:39:29 repeatedly Feb 20 23:39:35 lol Feb 20 23:39:45 just do it again, i had my music on Feb 20 23:39:50 hell even Windows Craptastic Player does it Feb 20 23:39:55 ill tell you if i can hear it Feb 20 23:40:10 oh DVBViewer does it too if you bought that....:P Feb 20 23:40:36 mobile TV wherever you are \o/ Feb 20 23:42:36 you know, the really bad thing about this is, that I actually had this all preplanned Feb 20 23:42:41 and then list the urls... Feb 20 23:42:46 lol Feb 20 23:43:34 lost I mean Feb 20 23:43:41 so...you're installing orb? Feb 20 23:43:53 right now Feb 20 23:44:14 iirc the n900 media player should work with it, right? Feb 20 23:44:32 yes Feb 20 23:44:40 your pc name will appear at the bottom left Feb 20 23:44:44 when connected to WLAN Feb 20 23:44:54 does it work with adhoc wlan connections? Feb 20 23:45:03 no ýdea Feb 20 23:45:14 mine's infra :p Feb 20 23:47:34 lol Feb 20 23:47:49 "your computer performance might decrease streaming performance" Feb 20 23:48:07 z0mg Feb 20 23:48:08 RLY? Feb 20 23:48:11 no really? I thought a netbook could decode 1080p videos on the fly ^^ Feb 20 23:48:21 meh Feb 20 23:48:28 my PC uses %50 CPU when streaming my tv card Feb 20 23:48:30 :p Feb 20 23:48:47 * LuciusMare_n900 adds his to the local "Did yaa know dat?" Feb 20 23:48:59 x) Feb 20 23:49:32 I'm really loving this mini playlist when tapping the album art :P Feb 20 23:49:35 I found the idea of streaming via VLC/rtsp to the N900 slightly more appealing, but after all upnp is designed for exactly this Feb 20 23:49:57 has not tuched upnp Feb 20 23:50:14 I use VLC for live TV streaming ... Feb 20 23:50:23 because I have no choice :P Feb 20 23:50:32 me? I use pr0n for live streaming Feb 20 23:50:33 hm Feb 20 23:50:35 And, i forgot my n900 to component cable at home - is there a chance that i can make one with common household objects? Feb 20 23:50:37 oh wait Feb 20 23:50:38 I couldn't get a vlc stream up Feb 20 23:50:52 that actually made up for 75% of my annoyance Feb 20 23:51:00 apart from the VERY long buffer time in KMPlayer it plays fine Feb 20 23:51:02 Justus: how could you not? Hell it's as easy as it gets Feb 20 23:51:15 setting up vlc streams is a matter of GUI + click click click Feb 20 23:51:16 and the speakers being craptastic Feb 20 23:51:18 I find ways to complicate everything ;) Feb 20 23:51:41 * Arif_ gives Justus the task of porting Meego to the N900 :P Feb 20 23:51:46 what gets complicated is networking Feb 20 23:52:09 oh i really missed my n900 Feb 20 23:52:34 you did? Feb 20 23:52:50 yes Feb 20 23:53:01 i fixed her :p Feb 20 23:53:19 her ? Feb 20 23:53:22 that sounds more interesting than the N900... Feb 20 23:53:23 ...it! Feb 20 23:53:34 or midas has weird fantasies o.O Feb 20 23:53:37 tybollt: well I want a on demand stream, and couldn't get it running, after that I'd have settled for ANY stream, but I honestly don't know what to put into the adress field ;) Feb 20 23:53:41 hahha :P Feb 20 23:53:48 my precious... Feb 20 23:54:32 Justus: so no luck so far? Feb 20 23:54:40 * Arif_ demands the next Nxxx phone has usable speakers... Feb 20 23:54:54 To be honest I've tried it between *computers* and given up in frustration Feb 20 23:55:04 VLC is advanced but hard Feb 20 23:55:16 atm I'm setting up ORB Feb 20 23:55:23 I have a frontend for VLC that does everything :D Feb 20 23:55:58 Arif_: frontend running on a pc? Feb 20 23:56:02 yes Feb 20 23:56:07 linux? Feb 20 23:56:08 web ui for DVBViewer :P Feb 20 23:56:33 hmm Feb 20 23:56:35 I remembered Feb 20 23:56:40 you can also use Winamp Remote :O Feb 20 23:56:47 And that's the encoding/sending side, not the receiving? Just trying to understand your setup Feb 20 23:56:52 YAY Feb 20 23:56:55 it works Feb 20 23:56:59 Yes Feb 20 23:57:05 Arif_: you're my savior Feb 20 23:57:12 you select a channel+codec+stream method Feb 20 23:57:23 and then start it in KMPlayer :P Feb 20 23:57:28 Justus, yay :P Feb 20 23:57:37 now you can watch pr0n in the whole house! Feb 20 23:58:53 Arif_: a subwoover pluginable into the headphone jack would already suffice Feb 20 23:59:00 well SG:A in the whole house Feb 20 23:59:07 but the general direction was right ;) Feb 20 23:59:26 ew Feb 20 23:59:28 stargate Feb 20 23:59:29 for some folks out there SG:A and pr0n don't have that much of a difference ^^ Feb 20 23:59:31 Hold on I'm not following. (maybe cause I'm trying to follow #meego too). What's the setup now Justus? Orb on a PC, then what player in the N900? Feb 20 23:59:39 standard player Feb 21 00:00:00 And you open a local net address, URL and it just works Feb 21 00:00:24 I just open the media player Feb 21 00:00:39 in a normal wlan/lan there will be a small symbol on the bottom left Feb 21 00:01:24 Aha, that's DLNA / upnp causing a server to be noticed automatically? Feb 21 00:01:32 yup Feb 21 00:01:40 and atm I'm trying to get it working with adhoc wlan Feb 21 00:02:00 thanks I understand now. Any specific encoding settings on the server Orb side Feb 21 00:02:20 nope Feb 21 00:02:39 by all means it's just press install, wait, use Feb 21 00:03:26 does anybody know where the default contacts avatar can be found? I want to use it in my app Feb 21 00:03:45 you can't set any encoding settings in Orb as far as I know... Feb 21 00:05:31 hello all! Feb 21 00:05:44 ohai Feb 21 00:05:51 I'm having a persistent problem on my n900 that I basically can never send documents via bluetooth Feb 21 00:06:04 with computers, I don't see them. With other phones, it just says "connection failed" after I pair with them Feb 21 00:06:43 aha! finally found a relevant thread on tmo Feb 21 00:07:02 nope. unhelpful. Feb 21 00:07:11 is it possible ORB needs an active internetconnection? Feb 21 00:07:38 needs as in "won't work without one" Feb 21 00:07:46 what's ORB? Feb 21 00:07:59 sry that was about another problem earlier on ;) Feb 21 00:08:14 the server doesn't show up in the location Feb 21 00:08:34 orangey, Petrovich doesn't send? :o Feb 21 00:08:42 hum, I think I'll solve that by just taking my freaking wlan access point with me, I'm done with experiments ^^ Feb 21 00:08:55 Justus, I guess it only needs to be connected to lan ? :P Feb 21 00:09:10 well, as I said, there is an active adhoc WLan Feb 21 00:09:18 Arif_: if I don't pair, it doesn't see. if I do pair, it says connection failed Feb 21 00:09:27 as for to computers, it just doesn't see them regardless Feb 21 00:09:38 hmm Feb 21 00:09:43 can't help you there ={ Feb 21 00:10:02 remove all pairs and try again? =o Feb 21 00:11:05 Arif_: done : ) Feb 21 00:11:08 well I wish you all a good night Feb 21 00:11:16 hmm. irritating problem. Feb 21 00:11:24 * Arif_ is getting sleepy too Feb 21 00:11:33 bye, and thanks for your help Feb 21 00:11:49 at least I can watch my favourite show on the normal TV ;) Feb 21 00:11:56 heh Feb 21 00:12:04 stargate and normal... Feb 21 00:12:14 well the TV is normal anyways ;) Feb 21 00:12:53 n8 Feb 21 00:12:56 bb Feb 21 00:13:17 * pupnik is bright awake for some evil reason Feb 21 00:29:27 pupnik: explosions? burglars? Feb 21 00:30:22 olympic games ?? Feb 21 00:31:48 ? Feb 21 00:32:10 nah am recovering from head wound Feb 21 00:32:22 the new update is pritty big for maemo Feb 21 00:32:35 or atleast its taking its time Feb 21 00:33:52 pupnik, what did you do now? Feb 21 00:35:27 GeneralAntilles: had a bad fall. lost ability to read/talk Feb 21 00:35:47 pupnik, snow? Feb 21 00:35:51 i appreciate being able to see #maemo again :) Feb 21 00:35:55 yes Feb 21 00:36:17 Ouch Feb 21 00:36:32 pupnik, you go to the hospital? Feb 21 00:36:52 pupnik: what have you done? Feb 21 00:37:05 yeah in neuroclinic Feb 21 00:37:26 got the scan in the cool machine Feb 21 00:37:38 Head injuries aint no joke. Feb 21 00:37:52 scared me good Feb 21 00:37:59 losing speech Feb 21 00:38:24 still hard to focus Feb 21 00:38:34 awww Feb 21 00:38:42 * tybollt gives pupnik a pink pony Feb 21 00:38:48 pupnik: so, what and how you did it? Feb 21 00:40:18 come on over tybollt Feb 21 00:40:33 i'm bored Feb 21 00:50:24 Hi all! I opened an italian site entirely dedicated to Meego ... meegoit.com :D It arises from a rib of maemoIT.org :D Feb 21 00:50:57 buona fortuna with that Feb 21 00:51:03 GeneralAntilles: what are some of your more preferred news aggregators for when t.m.o. is too much? Feb 21 00:51:29 autoguy: thank you ! Feb 21 00:56:11 pupnik, maemo weekly news Feb 21 00:56:22 url is somewhere Feb 21 00:56:30 its none obvious cos theres an extra letter in it Feb 21 00:56:37 (like non lol) Feb 21 00:57:09 http://mwkn.net/ Feb 21 00:57:12 mwkn.com Feb 21 00:57:14 stupid k Feb 21 00:57:20 lol net too Feb 21 00:57:55 mcnees walla & nurick llc Feb 21 00:58:15 * lcuk stops typing Feb 21 00:58:49 looks like qt plus madde is worthy of a workshop Feb 21 00:59:36 yeah Feb 21 00:59:52 theres also a qt dev competition as well Feb 21 01:02:15 "I’m completely stunned by how easy and obvious things are after sitting down with a bunch of great designers." yeah so true Feb 21 01:04:22 hey Feb 21 01:05:40 I have perhaps a bit of a dumb Q about maemo, but here goes.. Feb 21 01:06:02 Shortly after buying my N900 I was a little disappointed that it didnt really have portrait mode texting Feb 21 01:06:26 in particular I was expecting it to have a 3x4 button pad and predictive text (T9 style) Feb 21 01:07:05 funny idea Feb 21 01:07:06 I'm wondering how such a thing would be added? Are some parts of this device Nokia only Feb 21 01:07:55 i.e. the on screen keyboard - is it part of maemo that we can see the source of/implement our own Feb 21 01:08:17 or are there some parts that are not available? Feb 21 01:08:51 does a 3x4 text entry device not exist simply because anyone who would buy a N900 with the intention of developing for it have no use of such a panel? Feb 21 01:09:09 (i.e. they weren't expecting it to behave as a phone) Feb 21 01:09:48 or can it not be developed because it's in the "too hard bin" for the community and nokia would have to be the ones to provide it? Feb 21 01:09:48 hi, guys, I am writing a camera program on n900, using example_camera.c from maemo examples, which employs gtk+. The problem is I can compile the program correctly, but when I tried to run it on device, it just showed "Failed to initialize pipeline" Feb 21 01:10:28 cjard: dialer has 3*4 keypad and portrait Feb 21 01:10:42 cjard, thats a reasonable question put well, im not sure if anything is happening, but it might be an idea to search tmo and see what has been said already Feb 21 01:10:55 i am using vl4l2src for VIDEO_SRC and xvimagesink for VIDEO_SINK Feb 21 01:11:22 cjard: There's a brainstorm on maemo.org about improving the phone experience. Think it covers some of this stuff Feb 21 01:11:31 who can figure out what the problem then? Feb 21 01:11:34 yeah autoguy sounds familiar Feb 21 01:11:45 pta0007, just a min Feb 21 01:11:49 weren't you going to sleep? :) Feb 21 01:12:01 i said gnite to the channel :) Feb 21 01:12:05 i was going doing code Feb 21 01:12:17 I also wondered about the MMS issue; yes fMMS is solving it but it's still a way to go; some very slick plugins for Conversations bring us MSN, AOL, Skype etc.. MMS could be integrated there perhaps? Is it another part that is "hard" to hook into? Feb 21 01:12:21 aha well that's better Feb 21 01:12:21 I'll check for that brainstorm.. Feb 21 01:12:22 as i do at the end of every birthday ;) Feb 21 01:12:38 a full day off wandering around thinking :) Feb 21 01:12:40 of course Feb 21 01:12:50 because I feel that quite a few people will buy this N900 as I did, expecting it to be a powerful phone, and finding the features they most use of a phone somewhat.. missing Feb 21 01:13:16 Here's a birthday present for you. I'm actually using liqcalender quite extensively, and enjoying it! Feb 21 01:13:22 cjard, Feb 21 01:13:23 lcuk: congrats Feb 21 01:13:32 texting on the n900 is unlike ive ever done on a mobile Feb 21 01:13:37 i actually write loads now Feb 21 01:13:45 i used to hate phone interfaces Feb 21 01:13:51 cos i couldnt see conversation Feb 21 01:13:59 now, its like irc Feb 21 01:14:04 :) Feb 21 01:14:11 (and of course, sticking a warning sticker on it saying "This is a mobile computer, that makes calls.. Don't be thinking it does the phoney [hah.. there's a pun in there] stuff that Symbian phones do" wouldnt help it sell to the phone crowd... Feb 21 01:14:12 unlimited texts help too Feb 21 01:14:32 Well, sybmian devices had a conversation style thing... Feb 21 01:14:37 ;) Feb 21 01:14:41 i only get 1400 a month Feb 21 01:14:44 ive not used those tho Feb 21 01:14:50 pupnik, Planet and mwkn.net? Feb 21 01:14:53 I could change that but I tend to use MMS and write a lot of text Feb 21 01:14:57 like, an email even... Feb 21 01:15:04 because 1 mms costs me 4 texts Feb 21 01:15:06 do you guys have a few sources (rss or atom 2.0, preferrably) of maemo/n900 related news and software? Feb 21 01:15:12 i guess those are best, ty GeneralAntilles Feb 21 01:15:15 cjard, sure Feb 21 01:15:29 but lcuk, did you find the QWERTY onscreen or h/w keyboard not a little cumbersome? Feb 21 01:15:44 I can definitely type faster and spell better on a predictive T9 3x4 dialpad Feb 21 01:15:49 ive never had it on Feb 21 01:15:57 cjard, there's a h-i-m plugin up on Bugzilla somewhere. Feb 21 01:15:58 i use physical qwerty Feb 21 01:16:03 i started with an n810 Feb 21 01:16:06 ive never used osk Feb 21 01:16:06 cjard, I believe it'll do T9. Feb 21 01:16:12 my thumbs are pretty big.. Feb 21 01:16:18 qwerty onscreen??? Feb 21 01:16:25 I found the hardware keyboard surprisingly good, and my previous phone/PDA was a giant HTC Athena with a hardware keyboard with 5 rows Feb 21 01:16:44 I thought I wouldn't get used, but it took only a few seconds, not even minutes Feb 21 01:17:02 GA: Yep, T9 in the sense that it predicts the word youre typing, but not in the sense of "I want to write ROPE, so i dial 7673 and then press * until the underlined word becomes ROPE" Feb 21 01:17:29 I'm still finding I type a lot of Ms instead of spaces ;) Feb 21 01:17:30 I'd prefer 4 rows to the actual 3 Feb 21 01:17:31 have you people never heard of shift keys and caps Feb 21 01:17:36 and delete keys Feb 21 01:17:43 :D Feb 21 01:17:45 but onscreen kbd??? o.O Feb 21 01:17:52 Thats another thing I find weird with the onscreen vs physical.. Feb 21 01:17:57 the key maps are different Feb 21 01:17:58 t9 is the reason why i never used mobile sms! Feb 21 01:18:05 i couldnt bloody decipher it Feb 21 01:18:08 thanks for reminding me Feb 21 01:18:13 even T9 3*4??? hualp erksss Feb 21 01:18:15 sometimes its just way easier to use the onscreen because the symbols wanted are more accessible Feb 21 01:18:19 DocScrutinizer, I can type faster on the N800's finger keyboard than I've ever been able to on the N900. Feb 21 01:18:31 GeneralAntilles, you had lots of practice Feb 21 01:18:34 DocScrutinizer, admittedly I have about 3 more years of practice on it, but still. Feb 21 01:18:36 it always surprised me Feb 21 01:18:43 DS: the problem I have with the phys and onscr keyboards in qwerty form is that they are huge! Feb 21 01:18:47 GeneralAntilles, pupnik has an n80 and hes worn out the keys Feb 21 01:18:48 lcuk, I don't think I'll ever be as fast on the N900. Feb 21 01:18:51 its impressive to see Feb 21 01:18:56 as in, very wide.. lot of travelling needed to type on them Feb 21 01:19:00 i bet your screen was similar Feb 21 01:19:08 lcuk, screen protector Feb 21 01:19:09 a 3x4 dialpad is smaller so less stylus travel Feb 21 01:19:12 still Feb 21 01:19:13 GeneralAntilles: I prefer the N810 kbd to the N900 Feb 21 01:19:16 Pristine Feb 21 01:19:20 cool Feb 21 01:19:24 DocScrutinizer, now that one I definitely can't use. Feb 21 01:19:28 he must have toxic fingertips Feb 21 01:19:29 an I guess it's a lot of 'I'mm used to itM Feb 21 01:19:29 ;) Feb 21 01:19:31 and also the buttons are larger, helping someone like me whose thumbs are... Feb 21 01:19:35 lcuk, Boxwave knows how to make a good protector. Feb 21 01:19:36 hold on, i got pix Feb 21 01:19:37 pupnik, Feb 21 01:19:42 can i share pic of your n810 Feb 21 01:19:54 * cjard is measuring his thumbs Feb 21 01:19:55 DocScrutinizer51: I'd prefer 4 rows than the actual 3 too, but only to play duke3d better. Feb 21 01:20:15 well Feb 21 01:20:18 heh Feb 21 01:20:21 i cant find a ruler Feb 21 01:20:25 I think I understand the compromise Feb 21 01:20:32 but my thumb can cover QWER on the N900 physical keyboard Feb 21 01:20:45 i use the onscreen because it's bigger and the "keys" are easier to press Feb 21 01:20:48 4 rows would definitely help us type faster, but it would make the device more bulky Feb 21 01:21:03 ok, I always mess the ' with M and , Feb 21 01:21:23 as you've seen in prev posts Feb 21 01:21:35 but actually I dont see how to irc in a pub with OSK Feb 21 01:21:36 lcuk; you maybe never used sms with a T9 because you looked at the screen while writing the word Feb 21 01:21:37 :) Feb 21 01:21:48 i had to get my bro to put his thumb on the screen Feb 21 01:21:53 DocScrutinizer51, why not? Feb 21 01:22:01 so he couldnt see what he was writing til he got to the end of the word Feb 21 01:22:15 cjard: stop chewing nails Feb 21 01:22:23 otherwise he'd get halfway thru it and say "it's guessing it wrong!" Feb 21 01:22:27 ;) Feb 21 01:22:41 GAN900: no conversatio left when OSK actove Feb 21 01:22:50 lol, doc if I type with my nails I'll scratch off the paint like on my N95 Feb 21 01:22:58 DocScrutinizer51, meh, I managed. Feb 21 01:23:20 heh lcuk why? Feb 21 01:23:30 just because! Feb 21 01:23:33 literki (OM freerunner) style transparent kbd? Feb 21 01:23:49 ive found it, hold on ill pm it you first Feb 21 01:23:52 hehe use to make kids clean hands Feb 21 01:23:53 if you are ok ill post it Feb 21 01:24:10 anyway when I read T9 on N900 I feel nausea Feb 21 01:28:38 btw (T9): anybody has the slightest idea how to edit/dump/save/foobarize the T9 dict of a Nokia 6210? Feb 21 01:29:56 and btw too, no one has a few good RSS/Atom/RDF for maemo-related news/blogs/software? :) Feb 21 01:30:08 there's 8 years of effort and 'love' in this user dict :-S Feb 21 01:30:57 DS Feb 21 01:31:06 you don't text much then Feb 21 01:31:06 ptl: thought tmo was the place to go Feb 21 01:31:09 :) Feb 21 01:31:23 if your 6210 can store 8 years of cto ords Feb 21 01:31:31 cto = custom Feb 21 01:31:44 tmo? Feb 21 01:31:47 what's tmo? Feb 21 01:31:47 it either has the biggest dict I've seen Feb 21 01:31:56 t mobile? (in uk at least) Feb 21 01:32:40 t mobile were that guys that made youtube videos teaching how to zoom in and out in the browser - without using gestures? Feb 21 01:32:41 nah' average amerivan individual has ~10000 worts at max active vocabulary Feb 21 01:32:48 I can't say that this testifies to knowing the N900 Feb 21 01:33:50 DS; and I found my suymbian devices, with their 4kb user dictionary limit, would learn around 300 words Feb 21 01:34:01 then start overwriting the oldest with the newest Feb 21 01:34:07 3ven when assuming all is unique: 10000 * 8 = 80k. 3asy even for 6210 Feb 21 01:34:12 clearly LRU concept hadn't entered nokia heads at the time Feb 21 01:34:41 the user dict on a symbian phone was 4kb Feb 21 01:34:50 later 8kb, but unicode Feb 21 01:34:59 so still the same effective word count Feb 21 01:35:21 why so small? Feb 21 01:35:22 plus they made some really nasty bugs with their text input engines early on Feb 21 01:35:48 such as if you wrote "Hello World" and then put the cursor at the start of world: Hello |World Feb 21 01:36:02 and then wrote more words into the sentence: Hello there nice big world Feb 21 01:36:17 your dict ended up with "thereworld, niceworld, bigworld Feb 21 01:36:21 as custom entries Feb 21 01:36:36 which really quickly fills it up with junk, and overwrote.. Feb 21 01:36:43 ptl; no idea why it was so small Feb 21 01:36:43 wtf!?! Feb 21 01:36:46 does anything bad happen if i reformat the MyDocs partition as ext3? Feb 21 01:36:58 maher: camera borks Feb 21 01:37:02 maybe if they made it bigger they had performance issues Feb 21 01:37:06 ali1234: bah Feb 21 01:37:13 DS; for real Feb 21 01:37:22 maher: yep Feb 21 01:37:24 I even submitted a bugtraq type thing for it on the N80 Feb 21 01:37:30 ali1234: could i shrink it and have two partitions one vfat one ext3? Feb 21 01:37:33 or some later phone Feb 21 01:37:52 * DocScrutinizer51 mumbles 'why? OMG why??' Feb 21 01:37:53 maher: what you can do is swap the partitions around and reformat so that you have 2GB MyDocs and 30GB home Feb 21 01:38:15 ~spank cam app devels Feb 21 01:38:17 * infobot bends cam app devels over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on cam app devels's pasty white buttocks. Feb 21 01:38:32 the guys who thought "lets make it auto learn a users words.. oh and not give them a way to clear them out" - I'd like to have had a chat with them Feb 21 01:38:47 showed them a sony ericsson Feb 21 01:38:59 etc.. but I digress Feb 21 01:39:10 maher: you already got 2 partitions, one of them ext3 Feb 21 01:39:14 cjard: heh - i once borrowed my brother's phone - it was amising to see his favourite words... Feb 21 01:39:44 DocScrutinizer: i want to copy all of my music over, but the filenames don't play nice with vfat Feb 21 01:39:55 cjard: amising/amusing Feb 21 01:40:40 alright, any one can help me with my problem? Feb 21 01:40:43 cjard: (chat) yep' here too Feb 21 01:41:29 just repeat my question: I am writing a camera program on n900, using example_camera.c from maemo examples, which employs gtk+. The problem is I can compile the program correctly, but when I tried to run it on device, it just showed "Failed to initialize pipeline" Feb 21 01:41:39 maher: consider the suggested resizing Feb 21 01:41:57 i am using vl4l2src for VIDEO_SRC and xvimagesink for VIDEO_SINK Feb 21 01:42:41 pta0007, sorry sidetracked Feb 21 01:42:46 pta0007: I was even unaware of camera.c Feb 21 01:42:52 maher: my N900 was second hand.. Reading the user dictionary it became obvious that the prev owner had some.. "interesting" passtimes Feb 21 01:43:11 pta0007: iirc v4lsrc is no longer used in n900 Feb 21 01:43:16 v4l2camsrc Feb 21 01:43:16 they have some brand new "camerasink" Feb 21 01:43:24 or that :) Feb 21 01:43:28 yes, i tried it as well Feb 21 01:44:05 v4l2camsrc doesnt work Feb 21 01:44:10 cjard: it's also obvious the first owner wasn't up to par with that OS / platform Feb 21 01:44:38 wiki says it's "camera_src" Feb 21 01:44:58 cjard: that goes away afaik if you reset to factory defaults Feb 21 01:45:02 erno, sorry Feb 21 01:45:38 do you mean i should replace video_src to camera_src? Feb 21 01:45:40 DocScrutinizer: thanks - I didn't realise there were two different partitions on the same device already Feb 21 01:45:49 pta0007: no, forget that Feb 21 01:45:49 pta0007: ping SpeedEvil about gstreamer invocation Feb 21 01:47:25 DocScrutinizer51, dont understand it exactly Feb 21 01:48:25 pta0007: SpeedEvil knows a few 'magic incantations' of gstreamer for taking still photos and videos Feb 21 01:51:48 DocScrutinizer51, how to use it then? in my program? Feb 21 01:53:07 depends. Either do a simple system(), or just learn a few details Feb 21 01:53:29 I dunno Ur app Feb 21 01:54:22 maher: or deleting the files also works, without resetting the phone :) Feb 21 01:54:34 ok, i shall take a look at the speedevil first, hope i can find some solution for that Feb 21 01:56:27 maher: rm the contents of /home/user/.osso/dictionaries/ Feb 21 01:56:44 SpeedEvil: ping :-D Feb 21 01:57:45 what's this obsession with putting non config files in dirs starting with a . Feb 21 01:58:58 i thought it was to do with a special representation in the gui Feb 21 01:59:15 guys, how do I add an idea into an existing brainstorm? Feb 21 01:59:35 i want to add to the "Improving the phone experience" one Feb 21 02:00:37 i mean *add a solution* into a brainstorm Feb 21 02:33:50 SpeedEvil:ping Feb 21 02:34:14 SpeedEvil ping Feb 21 02:34:24 SpeedEvil: ping Feb 21 02:50:44 pupnik, recommend some music. I need to acquire more for my library. Feb 21 02:56:13 pta0007: stop pinging Feb 21 02:56:24 boo GeneralAntilles Feb 21 02:56:32 * GeneralAntilles runs screaming. Feb 21 02:58:00 * Xisdibik blocks GeneralAntilles's path Feb 21 02:59:26 GeneralAntilles: do you have Stratovarius? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Feb 21 02:59:57 2010