**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 21 02:59:57 2010 Feb 21 03:00:14 Xisdibik, nope. Feb 21 03:00:17 Will investigate. Feb 21 03:01:36 GeneralAntilles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUawCrHH2cw Feb 21 03:02:11 grr why is pairing bluetooth from debian such a pain...console Feb 21 03:03:03 finally, the net result of a day of coding! Feb 21 03:03:05 http://javispedro.com/maemo/captures/dosboxhwr.png Feb 21 03:03:18 I guess this will end up and the "I don't know how to write /" complaisn. Feb 21 03:04:32 lol Feb 21 03:04:52 lol javispedro Feb 21 03:06:23 ohhh the fn sticky key works Feb 21 03:07:39 this must be the 3rd most complex way of implementing sticky keys support. Feb 21 03:08:48 * javispedro looks at the time oh dammit Feb 21 03:08:52 gnite Feb 21 03:09:13 night javispedro Feb 21 03:25:29 Xisdibik: I hope you're talking about the band, and not the instrument Feb 21 03:27:08 If I hear just one more native-english-speaker say or write "Stratovarious" when really they mean Stradivarius, I will kick them in the bollocks Feb 21 03:29:18 Mhuwhahahahah http://content.yieldmanager.edgesuite.net/atoms/f3/70/a2/67/f370a26700856a1fc82f09093ff18729.gif Feb 21 03:29:41 And did the new tattoos get done within 4 weeks as well? Feb 21 03:31:58 crashanddie: hmm? Stratovarius is a instrument? Feb 21 03:32:12 Stradivarius Feb 21 03:32:16 it's a type of violin Feb 21 03:32:46 crashanddie, clearly. Feb 21 03:34:31 crashanddie: hmm Feb 21 03:36:20 Xisdibik: They're violins made by a specific family (The Stradivari, from northern Italy), and less than 200 are accounted for today... Feb 21 03:36:36 but thats Stradi.. not Strato :p Feb 21 03:36:43 Which means that they generally fetch prices of multiple millions Feb 21 03:37:21 Andre Rieu was quite famous for breaking a stradi during rehearsal... Feb 21 03:37:38 God I know way too much useless shit Feb 21 03:39:51 anyway, I hate Stratovarius Feb 21 03:40:01 Sounds like Abba meets Led Zeppelin for comic relief Feb 21 03:40:08 on ice Feb 21 03:40:10 in 3d Feb 21 03:42:26 GeneralAntilles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x6faW3Jqjw Feb 21 03:42:42 crashanddie, if you didn't know enough shit we'd have to kill you. Feb 21 03:43:06 kill me? Feb 21 03:43:11 You can't kill an ignorant Feb 21 03:47:40 crashanddie, cool, looks like fun. Feb 21 03:48:01 crashanddie, vaguely reminiscent of Climb Dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edLnXzAwHVc Feb 21 03:50:02 GeneralAntilles: very vaguely then, and long time since I saw that video Feb 21 03:50:09 seriously fast car Feb 21 03:51:04 Rally aint no joke Feb 21 03:51:23 well, that wasn't rally, it was setup Feb 21 03:52:06 the car was built for the occasion, modified specifically for that track, the suspension was hand built, the gears were custom pressed for the specific elevations of the mountains Feb 21 03:52:50 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rallying Feb 21 03:52:54 It's probably the most unique car in the world: not even built for a person, built for a single track and a single driver Feb 21 03:54:58 GeneralAntilles: guess you've seen this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVX2e6W_kR0 Feb 21 03:55:21 No, don't believe I have. Feb 21 04:03:26 crashanddie, crazy. Feb 21 04:03:48 GeneralAntilles: and for once the comments on youtube are correct! Feb 21 04:03:49 hello guys Feb 21 04:04:06 crashanddie, end of the world Feb 21 04:04:15 certainly Feb 21 04:04:22 anyway, time for me to go get some food Feb 21 04:04:24 'later Feb 21 04:04:25 !top20 lines Feb 21 04:04:30 hehee Feb 21 04:04:35 Later Feb 21 04:33:24 is there a trick to loading gpsjinni's logs into google earth? Feb 21 04:33:35 when I loaded it it zoomed in on the atlantic ocean... Feb 21 04:34:39 it seems to not know the longitude Feb 21 05:12:33 GeneralAntilles: ping Feb 21 05:12:41 crashanddie, pong Feb 21 05:23:56 hi Feb 21 05:24:34 quit Feb 21 07:47:52 moorning Feb 21 07:51:29 Hehe: http://www.geekosystem.com/mars-desert-research-station-mdrs/ Feb 21 07:53:08 (Related stories: Koala fight gets rough) Feb 21 07:54:28 beautiful RST38h, ty Feb 21 07:55:32 moo to you too Feb 21 08:02:41 * pupnik is listening to the illuminating Albert Jay Nock Feb 21 08:04:06 every time I see nokia releasing another symbian s60v3 device I die a little inside Feb 21 08:05:16 Proteous: I wish they'd release more s40 phones with smartphone capabilities Feb 21 08:06:27 s60 is a dog of an OS, love my older nokia dumbphones/semismart phones though Feb 21 08:08:24 Yes, Nokia needs to decide: Symbian or Linux. Not both. Feb 21 08:08:42 I wouldn't go that far Feb 21 08:08:55 haha i loggef in at the perfect tiem Feb 21 08:10:08 heh Feb 21 08:10:31 agree. that comment is premature at bes Feb 21 08:10:34 t Feb 21 08:11:22 back to Epoc? Feb 21 08:11:33 lo hi pupnik Feb 21 08:11:33 back to NokiaOS Feb 21 08:11:40 no i say 2 operating systems make nokia a powerful company, better than others Feb 21 08:11:57 * Myrtti gets popcorn Feb 21 08:12:41 two sounds good to me too ab3339 Feb 21 08:13:33 Yes, two operating systems for a company that is losing market share on the high-end, high profit sector of the market. That's definately the way to go. After all, there are *way* too many apps in the Ovi stor already. Feb 21 08:14:13 i wish nokia would phase-out symbian on high-end phones Feb 21 08:14:30 App developers *love* developing for multiple platforms. Keep's 'um busy! Feb 21 08:14:40 symbian is newer than linux ;) Feb 21 08:14:41 nokia needs to port all sybian first party apps to both platforms not drop a platform Feb 21 08:15:01 VMS is newer than Unix. Feb 21 08:15:22 vaxorz Feb 21 08:15:58 the maddee with qt looks worth learning Feb 21 08:16:59 what is the magic bridge between nokia, apple and android though ? Feb 21 08:17:16 pupnik, What do you mean by that?" Feb 21 08:17:57 nothing Feb 21 08:18:34 Does anyone think Apple would be doing better if half the iPhones ran a different OS? Feb 21 08:18:37 sdl :) Feb 21 08:18:42 listen, just bcuz it loosing oney right now doesnt mean whatever its doing right now is wrong. there is a huge market shift going on, devices r going through dramatic changes, nokia has not been loosing money since forever Feb 21 08:19:11 apple does not need a new os, it needs freedom Feb 21 08:19:34 well see when apple decides to make a break with their legacy iphone os Ken-Young Feb 21 08:19:41 ab3339, Apple's doing pretty well without freedom, unfortunately. Feb 21 08:20:03 people need to understand that they need freedom, most thinks it's ok to be forced to use things for a company thinks so Feb 21 08:20:04 maemo and symbian puts nokia is a much powerful position, and makes the future predictable Feb 21 08:20:39 ab3339, Did you predict Meego? I sure didn't. Feb 21 08:20:42 people understand aneroexic women with lipstick. Feb 21 08:21:06 no i didn't either Feb 21 08:21:56 chat in the office is not a good idea ! Feb 21 08:23:46 Hi, how playable is openarena? Is it slow? And how much space does it take on rootfs? Feb 21 08:24:24 LuciusMare: how about you try to install it? Feb 21 08:25:29 250 MB? Feb 21 08:25:33 I heard you can't exit it =) Feb 21 08:26:04 lol Feb 21 08:26:21 Unless you ssh to N900 and kill it from there Feb 21 08:26:44 I wouldn't recommend installing stuff like that :D Feb 21 08:26:44 On the other side, who would want to exit from openarena? :D Feb 21 08:26:58 I respect software that refuses to go quietly into that good night. Feb 21 08:27:01 good point Feb 21 08:28:44 Ken-Young: that's a shit behaviour. Software should obey you, not have its own meaning Feb 21 08:29:02 crashanddie, I agree. I was joking. Feb 21 08:29:17 crashanddie: except evil AI robots Feb 21 08:29:47 Kinda reminds me of the time I moved to London, and noticed for the first time that even though I lived in "South-East London", what it actually meant was "The other side of the fucking planet" Feb 21 08:30:05 I took a cab, and I told him "To Grove Park please, near Lewisham" Feb 21 08:30:13 software is obeying us, it just wants us to issue the commands from ssh thats all :) Feb 21 08:30:14 the guy replied "Nha, I don't go that way mate" Feb 21 08:31:26 Incredulous, I told him "well, where do you want to go?" "Whatdyamean?" "Well, just drive, I'm paying!" Feb 21 08:31:37 ab3339: actually, software is obeying us any way, in fact, it obeys you even if it is "disobeying you" because it obeys your command to disobey :)) Feb 21 08:31:42 Then he said "Nha mate, it doesn't work that way", "That's what I thought, to Lewisham please!" Feb 21 08:32:19 crashanddie: i don't ride with cabs, there are way too expensive Feb 21 08:32:22 :P Feb 21 08:32:38 there? Feb 21 08:32:59 they Feb 21 08:33:27 bbl Feb 21 08:33:41 ah Feb 21 08:34:50 they r expensive everywhere unless the company pays for them Feb 21 08:35:53 ab3339: really depends what kind of money you make Feb 21 08:36:05 the paper one Feb 21 08:36:50 Really? My money is mostly electronic kind. Feb 21 08:37:18 but...well, you got me Feb 21 08:37:36 Yeah. Just being a smartass ;) Feb 21 08:37:43 MiXu-: you can exit it Feb 21 08:37:54 yea, my money has to goto the meamo devices so i kinda save it :p Feb 21 08:38:02 openarena is playable, though the controls are a little wacky Feb 21 08:38:16 why is that? Feb 21 08:38:32 i'm too used to mouse+keyboard, probably Feb 21 08:38:47 accelerometer doesn't feel right for an FPS (imo) Feb 21 08:38:48 Sure you can take the money out. But these days I use maybe something like 5% of my salary as physical money. Feb 21 08:38:59 ahhh the mouse and the keyboard and the pc games! Feb 21 08:39:14 accelerometers? Feb 21 08:40:10 well, you turn by turning the device left/right Feb 21 08:40:14 (for example) Feb 21 08:40:56 I can imagine myself trying to turn quickly and throwing my n900 across the whole room Feb 21 08:41:02 luciusmare: havnt u seen the quake3 demo vids for n900 on the neta. Feb 21 08:41:07 net* Feb 21 08:41:18 hehehehe Feb 21 08:50:13 i'm working my way through packaging on linux. do you guys know of a good channel oriented towards that? Feb 21 08:50:42 ##linux Feb 21 08:50:45 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=538759#post538759 Feb 21 08:51:10 luciusmare, do you know of a friendlier channel ;) Feb 21 08:51:17 Personal request: If you see ANYONE bitching about lack of one or another application on t.m.o, SEND him to this post. Feb 21 08:52:14 anyone here? Feb 21 08:52:22 yulp Feb 21 08:52:26 yup Feb 21 08:52:35 so wats up? Feb 21 08:52:44 simula: ##linux-friendly Feb 21 08:52:50 :P Feb 21 08:53:01 heh, i'm the only one there luciusmare :) Feb 21 08:53:18 simula: what kind of packaging? Feb 21 08:53:49 lbt, i was hitting .deb, but i'm re-starting by working out all the files i want and where lsb wants them Feb 21 08:54:35 typically packaging is a distro-based thing rather than generic Feb 21 08:54:54 after all, the point it to ensure the sw is installed in line with distro policy :) Feb 21 08:55:09 so for debian try #debian-mentors Feb 21 08:55:18 but they're not on freenode Feb 21 08:55:25 i'm on that channel :) Feb 21 08:55:48 it can be quiet Feb 21 08:58:30 "...But the sock piles! The hills of socks of every color and style known to mankind, they go on for miles. ... Despite the rather rank odor we have decided to explore further. My secretary is taking notes on the apparent depth and height of the piles." Feb 21 08:59:05 what was that Feb 21 08:59:28 so will the next device from nokia have a larger screen? Feb 21 08:59:54 Sachin: Whom are you asking? Feb 21 09:00:00 anyone Feb 21 09:00:19 just curios what u guys think? Feb 21 09:00:36 We do not. Feb 21 09:00:56 ? Feb 21 09:01:19 My 52-year-old eyes would be very happy if the next device had a larger screen. Feb 21 09:01:29 There is no information on the next device. None. The only information present is that there is a dev board. Feb 21 09:01:29 how big? Feb 21 09:01:40 oh ok... Feb 21 09:01:43 So, why do you expect an answer? Feb 21 09:02:05 is it wrong to ask a question? Feb 21 09:02:27 No. It is probably wrong to expect an answer to this particular question though. Feb 21 09:02:29 its fine dont worry :) Feb 21 09:03:01 ok i bet u, its a bigger screen Feb 21 09:06:33 whats the policy on voting on your own packages in -testing? Feb 21 09:08:19 frals, I confess - I voted for mine, and nobody complained. However, the message sayin I could promote to Extras didn't come until I had 11 votes, so mine may not have counted. Feb 21 09:08:57 im just curious because i see a lot of people do it :) Feb 21 09:12:05 who wants a vote, just lemme know :) Feb 21 09:12:15 How do i compile code for n900 ON my n900? Feb 21 09:12:24 there's a chroot for this Feb 21 09:12:29 with a rootstrap inside Feb 21 09:12:35 c++ or python? Feb 21 09:13:37 you don't compile python, ab3339 Feb 21 09:13:46 ;) Feb 21 09:13:52 you can Feb 21 09:14:06 you actually do Feb 21 09:14:08 well, but that's only to bytecode ... Feb 21 09:15:47 there is a thread on t.m.o related to compiling c++ code on n Feb 21 09:16:15 th0br0: umm yea :) Feb 21 09:17:03 th0br0: your nick is difficult to write on n900 :) Feb 21 09:18:02 call it toebro then ;) i won't be highlighted but yah ^^ Feb 21 09:20:32 Hoi Feb 21 09:20:45 hoi Feb 21 09:20:53 vassup Feb 21 09:22:37 meego is up Feb 21 09:22:41 it seems Feb 21 09:25:12 wtf have to wait 60seconds between reporting posts Feb 21 09:25:18 ~curse tmo Feb 21 09:25:19 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, tmo ! Feb 21 09:26:50 tmo is nice Feb 21 09:28:19 a thriving community Feb 21 09:28:39 where is the Meego site? Feb 21 09:29:03 is there some upnp av server for maemo? Feb 21 09:30:25 ?? Feb 21 09:30:50 LuciusMare: to launch it on a device? Feb 21 09:31:32 i've tried rygel, but it didnt work for me :( Feb 21 09:32:01 brendan: meego.com Feb 21 09:32:21 frals: Yes, you can vote on your own package. Means you trust in it Feb 21 09:32:24 ab3339 cheers mate Feb 21 09:32:30 frals: Only one vote though, so you need 9 more. Feb 21 09:32:43 RST38h: ok, I figured promoting it to -testing meant that :) Feb 21 09:32:49 moo thresh Feb 21 09:32:54 :( Feb 21 09:33:02 frals: Well, it may require repetition :) Feb 21 09:33:15 Especially with the current fucked up approval procedure. Feb 21 09:33:21 * thresh waves Feb 21 09:34:24 RST38h, What do you believe is fucked up about the approval procedure? Feb 21 09:34:54 Ken: Every update to the package (however minor) requires 10 votes. Users generally do not vote. Feb 21 09:35:19 Ken: Instead, they enable extras-testing/extras-devel on their devices and open "Applications that work" threads on t.m.o Feb 21 09:35:35 RST38h, OK, I agree with that. Bug fixes, for example, should not be delayed. Feb 21 09:35:47 mee too Feb 21 09:35:48 Ken: Web based voting/promotion UI is generally misleading, unresponsive, and there is no link to it from the maemo.org top page Feb 21 09:36:40 Ken: The testing instructions are rather excessive and either turn people away from testing or attract wikipedians who will vote your app down for minor deviations form the testing instructions Feb 21 09:37:11 * RST38h is kinda tired repeating the same thing over and over for months though. It is incredible that NOBODY tried fixing it so far. Feb 21 09:37:35 i feel that portrait is extremely important though! Feb 21 09:38:18 ehlo, konttori. Do we have a bug about media player applet stopping working after a day or two uptime? Feb 21 09:38:40 (the only way to reestablish its functions is to remove applet from desktop, then readd) Feb 21 09:38:45 no, agaik, we don't Feb 21 09:38:52 ok, making a bug Feb 21 09:39:04 has been around for a while too Feb 21 09:40:02 by the way, the pr1.2 media player is finally getting there on the usability front. Especially the live search support has been a great addition to it. Feb 21 09:40:22 finally ;) Feb 21 09:40:22 YES!!! live search! Feb 21 09:40:30 man that annoys me trying to find songs Feb 21 09:42:05 we should all be able to make our own media players Feb 21 09:42:19 we are Feb 21 09:42:19 :P Feb 21 09:42:20 how do you mean make our own Feb 21 09:42:37 many people are yeah Feb 21 09:43:10 Stskeeps: did you ever try time stretch with mplayer? quite fun Feb 21 09:43:13 whats live search? Feb 21 09:43:14 konttori: I have to be frank here: live search is very low on my list Feb 21 09:43:27 live search in HAM is higher on mine ;) Feb 21 09:43:33 Ok, behold bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9192 Feb 21 09:43:36 Bug 9192: Media Player applet stops working after a while Feb 21 09:44:02 konttori: Way below working media player applet, decent support for playlists, working avrcp Feb 21 09:44:06 Stskeeps: HAM has full live search support as well Feb 21 09:44:21 Search in HAM would be *very* nice though =) Feb 21 09:44:25 well, playlist support is going to be bad Feb 21 09:44:57 konttori: Btw, there is a good chance #9192 is somehow related to avrcp Feb 21 09:45:03 applet -> dunno what's the status, I never use it (for the purpose it provides, I use BT headset previous and next buttons). Feb 21 09:45:31 RST38h: what's your problem with avrcp? Feb 21 09:45:40 for me, bt headset is working really well. Feb 21 09:46:52 whats HAM? Feb 21 09:46:54 I think we only support 1.0 of avrcp, but do you want more support? Or what's missing in avrcp? Feb 21 09:47:01 ab3339 application manager Feb 21 09:47:10 konttori: does not work unless full media player is running (applet is not enoguh) Feb 21 09:47:12 ab3339: hildon application manager (HAM) Feb 21 09:47:30 konttori: also, sometimes gets stuck if headphones go out of the range and then back in Feb 21 09:47:38 RST38h: yeah, well, that sucks. I agree. And as it stands, it won't be fixed. Feb 21 09:47:39 * timeless_mbp sighs Feb 21 09:47:48 it's just done architecturally in an insane manner Feb 21 09:47:51 konttori: the way strings are handled in maeom5 suck :( Feb 21 09:47:52 konttori: yea, that is what I mean :( Feb 21 09:48:05 (that UI is responsible for handling the BT commands) Feb 21 09:48:29 RST38h: OTOH, considering that AMFW is opensource, perhaps community could help in fixing it Feb 21 09:48:49 timeless_mbp: the way region settings are used (they are not), is also insane Feb 21 09:49:03 yeah, that's a battle we lost a long time ago Feb 21 09:49:11 you just discovered how useless they are? Feb 21 09:49:19 * timeless_mbp should have mentioned that Feb 21 09:49:20 no, I've known it for a long time Feb 21 09:49:41 konttori: I am afraid AVRCP can't be done by the community, but the applet problem may be fixable. Is the media player applet source available? Feb 21 09:49:58 applet is closed source Feb 21 09:50:07 wht is ACRCP? Feb 21 09:50:09 RST38h: replace it Feb 21 09:50:11 of course, at the same time, applet is also trivial to do. Feb 21 09:50:49 I love how England is democratic about absolute everything. Even the things that aren't really up for debate. For example, the Daily Mail has been running polls to find out if people think that Charles ought to be King. Feb 21 09:50:58 Brendan[BP]: remote control profile of bluetoot a2dp profile Feb 21 09:50:59 It's a fucking monarchy, the people don't get to choose! Feb 21 09:51:03 crashanddie: heh Feb 21 09:51:12 konttori AHHHH thanks mate! Feb 21 09:51:48 i still REALLY want the ability to have a secondary sub exchange account :( Feb 21 09:51:49 Charles seems to be unusually stupid, even for royalty. Feb 21 09:51:51 directing public attention to trivial matters of low significance is an ages old practice Feb 21 09:52:19 human cloning, gay marriage, kingship choice... Feb 21 09:52:41 kingship choice + cloning go hand in hand Feb 21 09:52:43 abortion rights, for Tentacled's sake... Feb 21 09:53:00 * timeless_mbp chuckles Feb 21 09:53:13 there's a BBC special on Romanian Gypsy thieves Feb 21 09:53:19 and they just had an 95 ringing Feb 21 09:53:27 s/95/n95/ Feb 21 09:53:28 timeless_mbp meant: and they just had an n95 ringing Feb 21 09:53:30 * RST38h bets nobody asks British public opinion on taxes, health care, or war in .AF Feb 21 09:54:12 plenty of people ask, but daily fail poll != government Feb 21 09:54:37 nid0: lol Feb 21 10:15:58 The British Royal family has been German since the late 17th century, they're massively inbred and must be incredibly stupid Feb 21 10:16:22 THat's why they never go outside... Should they meet people they'd be completely bewildered. "A plumber? What on Earth is that?" Feb 21 10:19:46 crashanddie: don't be nasty. You're talking about my future wife, unifying the kingships of sweeden and the UK. Feb 21 10:20:02 sweeden? Feb 21 10:20:06 (barring 190 unexpected deaths and a case of insanity) Feb 21 10:20:06 Is that a new Country? Feb 21 10:20:27 SpeedEvil: I'm sorry, they are German Feb 21 10:20:37 yes. Feb 21 10:21:25 SpeedEvil: coincidentally,the names Windsor and Mountbatten were originally Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and Shelssweig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg. Feb 21 10:21:34 crashanddie: if you look down the list of succession, to the UK throne, you find people who are in the lines of succession to other thrones - including sweden. Feb 21 10:21:38 (no, I have to admit I didn't know that off the top of my head) Feb 21 10:23:38 SpeedEvil: I was born under a monarchy, I know how they work ;) Feb 21 10:23:57 where crashanddie ? Feb 21 10:24:33 pupnik: I'll be helpful: somewhere in Europe Feb 21 10:24:39 crashanddie,SpeedEvil: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&ved=0CBMQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.neilgaiman.com%2Fmediafiles%2Fexclusive%2Fshortstories%2Femerald.pdf&ei=sAmBS5-rKaLsmwOAweXyBg&usg=AFQjCNHI2_JMTVaNOsPDX17LhMQ41L2H-A&sig2=loPxo9bTJ6DrPn9LESgUbg Feb 21 10:24:49 (sorry for the long link) Feb 21 10:25:11 somewhere in europe = uk Feb 21 10:25:15 works too: http://www.neilgaiman.com/mediafiles/exclusive/shortstories/emerald.pdf Feb 21 10:25:19 nid0: wrong Feb 21 10:26:17 linkedin failed me :( Feb 21 10:26:24 it did indeed Feb 21 10:26:49 nid0: however you probably found the correct linkedin page Feb 21 10:26:54 nid0: link? Feb 21 10:27:12 you're in aus right now? Feb 21 10:27:27 aye Feb 21 10:27:37 RST38h: what the hell is that? Feb 21 10:28:18 Morning, all Feb 21 10:28:25 moaning Jaffa Feb 21 10:28:46 anyone had much use of evopedia by any chance? Feb 21 10:28:47 morning Jaffa Feb 21 10:31:39 * Jaffa sniffs at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3822#c8 Feb 21 10:31:40 Bug 3822: Application menu should have enough top-level folders to match package sections Feb 21 10:31:46 Although thanks to konttori for the heads up Feb 21 10:32:07 np Feb 21 10:32:28 issue is that when you go to edit mode, it shows the flat list even if you are inside a category Feb 21 10:33:00 anyway, feel free to help marcoil in fixing it for pr1.3. (or should pr1.2.1 come --- you never know) Feb 21 10:33:24 mmm Feb 21 10:33:24 ug} Feb 21 10:33:24 Homepage: http://duiframework.wordpress.com Feb 21 10:33:25 konttori: So it's an issue with the editor mode for the menu? Feb 21 10:33:25 eh, so in hildon desktop code, in the launcher code Feb 21 10:33:26 ups Feb 21 10:33:33 git://gitorious.org/maemo-6-ui-framework/duicompositor.git Feb 21 10:33:34 yeah. issue is there Feb 21 10:33:41 the categorization stil works, Feb 21 10:33:46 konttori: OK, cool. Thanks. Feb 21 10:33:54 user is not able to meaningfully edit the order inside the categories Feb 21 10:33:56 victory, got my sharing plugin to work (i think) \o/ Feb 21 10:34:04 \o/ Feb 21 10:35:28 Anyone can tell me the specific #defines set when building under Maemo? Feb 21 10:35:42 * RST38h needs something to put into ifeq() in the makefile Feb 21 10:43:23 Anyone can tell me the default variables set by make? Feb 21 10:43:27 Please? Feb 21 10:43:33 good morning, i'm trying to install mksh on my n900, it gives me an error in the postinstall script, abt add-shell not being found, i know that add-shell and remove-shell are provided by passwd, and i do have the latest passwd pkg installed. is there a way to fix this ? Feb 21 10:43:55 i'm still new to debian so i dont know my way around Feb 21 10:47:02 moudmen: passwd is probably not passwd as normally packaged Feb 21 10:47:08 hmm Feb 21 10:47:20 then how to get my add-shell and remove-shell ? Feb 21 10:48:15 RST38h: http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/make/Implicit-Variables.html but I guess you already know that? Feb 21 10:48:29 RST38h: but maybe you missed the make -p? Feb 21 10:48:53 moudmen: there is no /etc/shells Feb 21 10:49:02 moudmen: I have doubts that stuff actually will read it Feb 21 10:49:59 * RST38h sighs Feb 21 10:50:02 MAEMO_VERSION Feb 21 10:50:23 screw automake. Feb 21 10:50:32 but it looks as if something went wrong on my box, since mksh is in the maemo repository for fremantle. Feb 21 10:50:46 there must be a way to fix this without flashing the device Feb 21 10:51:21 how to find the dependencies of a package with apt-get ? Feb 21 10:51:35 apt-cache show will give you direct dependencies Feb 21 10:52:17 apt-rdepends will give you recursive dependencies, but it's a separate package Feb 21 10:52:21 thanks, got it Feb 21 10:52:31 yup, i understood both commands, rdepends and depends Feb 21 10:52:46 apt-cache rdepends is not apt-rdepends Feb 21 10:52:51 (not confusing at all :) Feb 21 10:52:52 oh Feb 21 10:53:00 apt-cache rdepends will give you *reverse* dependencies Feb 21 10:53:04 rdepends command is reverse Feb 21 10:53:05 yea Feb 21 10:53:13 while apt-rdepends will give you recursive forward dependencies Feb 21 10:53:21 but maemo doesn't have apt-rdepends Feb 21 10:53:36 moudmen: so install it Feb 21 10:53:40 you might be able to install it from debian etch or lenny, it requires perl and libapt-pkg-perl Feb 21 10:53:46 couldn't find package ... Feb 21 10:54:04 oh okay, i'll look there Feb 21 10:54:04 (or maybe they're in the sdk) Feb 21 10:54:41 sorry but this is a whole new world for me, i worked with centos and freebsd and redhat, never with deb Feb 21 10:55:15 moudmen: why start now? Feb 21 10:55:23 got an n900 Feb 21 10:56:39 i mounted my easy-debian image and now i have my add-shell and remove-shell :\ Feb 21 11:01:01 moudman: why not wait for meego? Feb 21 11:01:36 i hope the phone they release with meego is as good looking as the n900 Feb 21 11:01:41 moudman: sorry nm Feb 21 11:02:26 here's hoping for a meego-based e-series communicator Feb 21 11:02:40 NOOOOOOOOOO not e-series Feb 21 11:02:41 :( Feb 21 11:02:58 any previews for meego so far ? Feb 21 11:03:08 it's just been out for a week Feb 21 11:03:13 So I don't think so Feb 21 11:03:20 communicator e-series are fantastic phones :( Feb 21 11:03:27 moudmen: meego is roughly vaporware for this quarter Feb 21 11:03:27 moudman any interest in a freebsd chroot for fun? Feb 21 11:03:33 probably for most of next quarter Feb 21 11:03:41 nah, i hate bsd Feb 21 11:04:02 timeless_mbp: seems like it's -really- a tabula rasa also on the technical side :P Feb 21 11:04:08 pupnik: that's slightly obscene ;) Do you have it working? Feb 21 11:04:10 nid0: um, how many eseries communicators were there? Feb 21 11:04:12 which is positive and negative Feb 21 11:04:14 but i was thinking i'll dual boot this thing with maemo and some mini linux image Feb 21 11:04:20 the e6x and e7x were not communicators Feb 21 11:04:22 i do not Feb 21 11:04:27 the 9x00's were not eseries Feb 21 11:04:34 the e90 is not really a communicator Feb 21 11:04:41 hehe true true Feb 21 11:04:42 sure it is Feb 21 11:04:45 nah it's not Feb 21 11:04:56 nid0: communicator ran s80 Feb 21 11:04:57 moudmen: I don't know of anything other than android maybe working, you could try for something OE based I guess Feb 21 11:05:03 e90 runs 'something else' Feb 21 11:05:21 dropping back to s60 for e90 kinda sucked sure, but I dont really see how you'd qualify that as "not a communicator" Feb 21 11:05:46 nid0: a friend i met in England explained Feb 21 11:05:56 communicators could do a number of things which the e90 can't do Feb 21 11:06:00 well tealbird i've already seen n900 run mac and maemo as dual boot Feb 21 11:06:11 it really was basically 's60 tuned to vaguely emulate communicators' Feb 21 11:06:15 havn't heard of any tries to run linux on it yet Feb 21 11:06:24 the only significant functionality missing from the e90 out of the box that previous communicators had, is fax support Feb 21 11:06:26 maemo is linux Feb 21 11:06:32 and that just requires installing content beamer to get back Feb 21 11:06:33 debian Feb 21 11:06:42 by linux i mean rhel Feb 21 11:06:46 lol Feb 21 11:06:48 redhat, centos, fedora Feb 21 11:06:49 ... Feb 21 11:06:54 the linux i know :p Feb 21 11:06:55 yeah check out meego then Feb 21 11:06:58 it's rpm Feb 21 11:07:02 when it comes out Feb 21 11:07:12 i'll get that phone in a blink of an eye when it's released Feb 21 11:07:12 big flame war over that :P Feb 21 11:07:20 I bet you could back port it Feb 21 11:07:41 yea, it shudnt be hard, true Feb 21 11:08:12 They're trying to stay mostly standard, so hopefully no weird patches like android Feb 21 11:08:38 And cross device so it would be surprising if n900 couldn't support Feb 21 11:08:38 Guys, stop that. My head hurts. Meego isn't "rpm", nobody saw Mac (whatever that is) *dualboot* on an N900 and linux is just kernel. Feb 21 11:08:48 *a kernel. Feb 21 11:09:13 Linux is technically the kernel but most people associate a particular user space with it. Feb 21 11:09:29 range: exhale slowly. Feb 21 11:09:38 mac runs via pearpc, Feb 21 11:09:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFjl3Ob3VpU Feb 21 11:09:44 range: avoid using drugs in the future. Feb 21 11:09:50 moudmen: Yes. where is that dual booting? Feb 21 11:09:54 sry, my bad, not dual boot, that was smthg else Feb 21 11:09:56 RST38h: I thought I needed some :) Feb 21 11:09:57 let me re read the stories Feb 21 11:10:08 pearpc? Like vmware ? Feb 21 11:10:12 ah android right Feb 21 11:10:18 ah oops Feb 21 11:10:28 emulator, yea Feb 21 11:10:31 just like DosBox Feb 21 11:10:51 AFAIK android runs directly, not in an emulator Feb 21 11:10:56 Ok, javis' Vulture's Eye does not build =( Feb 21 11:11:40 * RST38h hates when it happens Feb 21 11:12:33 The n800 , vmware was running both wince and android Feb 21 11:12:52 http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Mobile-device-runs-Windows-and-Android-simultaneously/ Feb 21 11:12:56 And? Feb 21 11:13:14 We were discussing alternate OSs Feb 21 11:13:16 I thought Feb 21 11:13:45 Android is not an "os" in the sense that it runs on top of Maemo as well Feb 21 11:13:58 WinCE is not an OS any sane living being would consider using Feb 21 11:14:00 * moudmen watching the video Feb 21 11:15:33 No, android does not run on top of maemo. Android adds some stuff to the kernel / userspace and then runs in a vm which writes directly to the frame buffer, it does not use X. Feb 21 11:15:52 tealbird: vmware already demod their platform on Maemo4 / n800 Feb 21 11:16:40 tealbird: so, you run it from Maemo, eh? Feb 21 11:16:47 When Maemo is fully booted? Feb 21 11:16:51 No Feb 21 11:16:58 oh, yeah, it's in that link Feb 21 11:17:08 How is it a no? Feb 21 11:17:42 it's dual-boot Feb 21 11:17:50 the android patches could be added to the kernel so the android userland could run on maemo kernel Feb 21 11:18:15 you can cross a pig with a crow, but why would you? Feb 21 11:18:26 Stskeeps: doesn't Android run from chroot? Feb 21 11:18:30 Corsac: but they don't doit; thats why the kerneldeveoper kicked out the patchset Feb 21 11:18:54 RST38h: initially, now it's dual-boot Feb 21 11:18:55 roadi: you're thinking about upstream Feb 21 11:19:06 Corsac: is talking about 'in general outside upstream' Feb 21 11:19:25 Android is being removed because nobody is maintaining it, not because it's not explicitly wanted Feb 21 11:19:30 Stskeeps: Well if it runs from chroot, you can't really call it an OS :) Feb 21 11:19:41 timeless_mbp: no. it was only a comment. Feb 21 11:19:50 tealbird: If someone wanted it they would maintain it Feb 21 11:19:50 RST38h: 'OE' Feb 21 11:20:03 * Arif_ yawns Feb 21 11:20:07 tealbird: not maintained *mainline* Feb 21 11:20:12 RST38h: well, ok, android UI under chroot. android OS dualboot. Feb 21 11:20:27 tealbird: it's behind maintained at google, they just don't care about pushing the patches mainline Feb 21 11:20:31 hmm Feb 21 11:20:35 I woke up early today :D Feb 21 11:20:38 Stskeeps: But..hmm...is there any "os" beside UI? Feb 21 11:20:56 what exactly do you mean by “os”? Feb 21 11:21:05 RS yes, afaik :P Feb 21 11:21:11 I agree corsac, and that's different from being explicitly kicked out Feb 21 11:21:16 kernel, kernel+basic userland, kernel+userland+X+DE? Feb 21 11:21:22 tealbird: not so much Feb 21 11:21:30 tealbird: it was explicitely kicked out Feb 21 11:21:36 Stskeeps: I have got an impressin that below Dalvik there is hardly any OS at all Feb 21 11:21:49 RST38h: not much, agreed Feb 21 11:21:55 corsac: by who? Feb 21 11:21:57 but kicked out from staging/ is not the same thing as being kicked out Feb 21 11:22:03 tealbird: Linus? Feb 21 11:22:13 not sure who did the commit though Feb 21 11:22:58 RST38h: well, there is a kernel which does memory management, scheduling, etc. and some userland, which is not really available for any user :) Feb 21 11:23:10 so yeah, by itself it's not much of an os Feb 21 11:23:29 Heh http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=b0a0ccfad85b3657fe999805df65f5cfe634ab8a Feb 21 11:24:35 thats what i told you. Feb 21 11:24:51 Corsac: memory management and scheduling is about 2000 lines of code at most Feb 21 11:25:12 RST38h: well, kernel manage devices too Feb 21 11:25:19 roadi: semantics Feb 21 11:25:20 (2000 lines only?) Feb 21 11:25:28 * tealbird shrugs Feb 21 11:25:51 Corsac: well you want to write a malloc() and a simple scheduler Feb 21 11:25:52 tealbird: i ment few minutes ago. Feb 21 11:26:02 Corsac: if you cannot fit 'em into 2000 lines, you are doing something wrong Feb 21 11:26:11 RST38h: yeah but I meant the Linux ones Feb 21 11:26:52 Corsac: Yes, if you are lazy you can use linux ones and a thousand penguin worshippers will trumpet you as "a linux distro" Feb 21 11:27:58 * Stskeeps decides to learn rpm and spec Feb 21 11:28:14 * Arif_ decides to eat breakfast Feb 21 11:28:29 * RST38h decides to catch javispedro and interrogate Feb 21 11:29:18 roadi: yes, semantics differences :) You said kicked out, committer said in essence "sadly removed" which is what I vaguely remembered Feb 21 11:29:39 tealbird: It is a polite way to say "kicked out' Feb 21 11:29:50 sadly removed = kicked out Feb 21 11:29:59 When you kick someone in the nuts with the sad face, it makes you feel morally superior to the victim Feb 21 11:30:13 Thank you for that picture Feb 21 11:30:18 xD Feb 21 11:30:28 I'll have to try that sometime Feb 21 11:30:57 I'm not sure that'll be appreciated very well o.o Feb 21 11:31:05 hmm. my unresponsive N900 showed a load of 17 over ssh before i rebooted it. wonder if that is a record? Feb 21 11:31:07 You never know Feb 21 11:31:18 fnordian: No Feb 21 11:31:29 oh. what is the record? Feb 21 11:31:35 fnordian: UMD EE department microVAXen showed up to 45. Feb 21 11:32:05 (yes, "ls" took a while) Feb 21 11:32:19 stop ls'ing in the pr0n folder :P Feb 21 11:32:41 Arif: What pr0n? It was *before* Netscape Feb 21 11:32:57 RST38h: i mean for an n900. i remember hearing of a old server being decommissioned, and they found a low priority print job that had been waiting over 20 years to run :) Feb 21 11:33:00 there was no porn before netscape? :o Feb 21 11:33:09 good times =} Feb 21 11:33:37 still no update for uk users wtf is going on? Feb 21 11:33:42 hmm Feb 21 11:33:45 I just noticed Feb 21 11:33:51 badblocks /dev/mmcblk0p2 shows lots of errors, is this hardware issue? Feb 21 11:33:53 me Feb 21 11:33:54 Did the Karma calculations just massively change or something? I just lost over half my karma. Feb 21 11:33:56 my old N95 8GB charger is still plugged in the wall socket Feb 21 11:33:57 :P Feb 21 11:33:57 <---- N900 Feb 21 11:34:07 RST38h: before netscape you had erotic stories which was enough Feb 21 11:34:28 erotic text adventures! Feb 21 11:34:35 crash: Actually, yes Feb 21 11:34:47 zerojay: yes, like it was discussed for lengthy periods of time? Feb 21 11:34:55 (i lost bugzilla karma myself) Feb 21 11:35:16 Ah the horror! The suffering Feb 21 11:35:19 Stskeeps: Yeah, I lost mainly bugzilla karma from what I saw. Feb 21 11:35:47 zerojay: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40329 was the thread Feb 21 11:36:03 * N900evil wonders if renaming bugs accont will link it. Feb 21 11:36:38 Stskeeps: What is the story on Bugzilla karma anyway? Feb 21 11:36:43 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=489664#post489664 for consensus Feb 21 11:36:45 RST38h: i'm not sure Feb 21 11:36:55 unbalanced with the new changes Feb 21 11:37:40 Blog posts seem to be weighted SO much more.. wtf. Feb 21 11:38:33 Bloggers, sir Feb 21 11:39:05 Which is great if you're accepted into the blogroll... Feb 21 11:39:14 which is pretty simple to get Feb 21 11:39:20 I've been refused twice. Feb 21 11:39:31 hrm, odd Feb 21 11:39:55 Stskeeps: Complete omittance of bug reporting karma is still weird Feb 21 11:40:04 I really don't understand how bug reporting can be far less important than posting about the same thing everyone else is. Feb 21 11:40:17 bug reporting > posts Feb 21 11:40:18 RST38h: i think it was just not included in the change proposal Feb 21 11:40:26 and hence it wasn't discussed Feb 21 11:40:34 go read the discussion, i know nothing Feb 21 11:40:35 :P Feb 21 11:40:40 Stskeeps: Weird Feb 21 11:41:16 and submit a discussion for getting bug karma changed cos it does seem a bit unbalanced atm Feb 21 11:42:01 "Well, that's a bug among others it seems, we didn't proposed any alteration to bugzilla karma, nor for favs that is also very low." Feb 21 11:42:12 zerojay: I guess it will get fixed in a while Feb 21 11:43:06 chown -R user:root /home/fms/vultures-2.2.100/debian/vultures/media/mmc2/share Feb 21 11:43:16 opt/maemo/dists/lenny-2009-1/bin/chown: invalid user: `user:root' Feb 21 11:43:24 ??? Feb 21 11:43:32 busyboxism? Feb 21 11:45:33 Stskeeps: No idea, it seems to build for javispedro Feb 21 11:45:38 But not for me Feb 21 11:46:07 Scaling on http://maemo.org/profile/view/thenokiablog/ seems crazy. Feb 21 11:46:32 That scaling has been crazy for months now Feb 21 11:47:00 Jaffa: there's a username 'thenokiablog'?? Feb 21 11:47:17 but yeah, that scaling is wonky Feb 21 11:47:25 I'd suggest that if the order of http://maemo.org/profile/list/ makes people go "eh?" rather than "fair enough" the experiment with the new multipliers isn't quite right yet Feb 21 11:47:50 Jaffa: i'm not on page 1? Feb 21 11:47:57 Jaffa: It's completely fucked. Feb 21 11:48:18 Jaffa: ok, what page am i on? Feb 21 11:48:23 ah, page 4 Feb 21 11:48:25 Bug reporting is apparently useless now. Feb 21 11:48:27 lol Feb 21 11:48:32 so I still dont get this. in both the maps app as well as the location widget, I get a very acurate lock but the map never moves around the middle. the dot never follows my position. Feb 21 11:49:16 what do i need to do to have this kind of tracking? Feb 21 11:49:54 zerojay: why? Feb 21 11:50:03 konttori is now in charge of getting things fixed Feb 21 11:50:06 he's doing a relatively good job Feb 21 11:51:12 timeless_mbp: I'm just saying that's the impression you get when you look at the way karma is calculated now. You get more karma for posting the same shit everyone else is than you ever would from bug reporting. That's the impression that the less connected of us is going to get for the moment anyways. Feb 21 11:51:50 Who do I gotta poke to get my package added to the maemo bug tracker? Feb 21 11:52:57 hey, i got forum account and garage account on maemo.org but can't login in brainstorm section =( Feb 21 11:53:14 zerojay: What really sends your karma through the roof is a regular sacrifice to the Tentacled One. Most bloggers who get aggregated through maemo.org practice it. Feb 21 11:53:34 is this normal to have badblocks on mmc disk? Feb 21 11:54:05 zoup: I had issues and I'm blithingly ignoring it until I feel like I can do without my cell phone for a while Feb 21 11:54:23 i have face major fs corruption :( Feb 21 11:54:29 But I haven't upgraded to latest release and I think there may have been some bug fixes Feb 21 11:54:44 tealbird: which is not repairable with fsck Feb 21 11:55:01 zerojay: there's a wiki page explaining the process to add to bugs.maemo Feb 21 11:55:02 is this hardware fault? can this get fixed with reflashing? Feb 21 11:55:15 Zoup: mmc's will have bad blocks Feb 21 11:55:19 they come w/ spares Feb 21 11:55:33 it's actually fairly rare to *not* have bad blocks Feb 21 11:55:50 timeless_mbp: how can i deal with this issue then? Feb 21 11:55:52 The card shouldn't report it unless it's a real issue Feb 21 11:56:07 At least AFAIK Feb 21 11:56:10 i have lots of file issues, and errors in dmesg Feb 21 11:56:19 I would say thats a real problem Feb 21 11:56:45 Check talk but I think that some people said reflashing emmc might help Feb 21 11:56:47 zerojay, X-Fade denies aggregation requests? Feb 21 11:56:52 I haven't done it myself Feb 21 11:57:00 none of you received anything in dmesg? Feb 21 11:57:14 Yes, I received something in dmesg about errors Feb 21 11:57:18 Zoup: was there supposed to be a message from you? :) Feb 21 11:57:20 But not huge Feb 21 11:57:32 Zoup: a bad block's a bad block Feb 21 11:57:48 trying to paint over a pothole doesn't make the pothole go away Feb 21 11:58:15 timeless_mbp: maybe i can use -k to preserve badblocks? Feb 21 11:58:18 anyhelp here? Feb 21 11:59:46 zoup: what are the dmesg errors Feb 21 12:00:04 GeneralAntilles: I don't remember who it was... maybe Quim himself, but yes. Feb 21 12:00:34 GeneralAntilles: Though to be fair this was pre-N900 and all that. Feb 21 12:00:56 mmc corruption means that the mmc has run out of bad blocks in one zone. Feb 21 12:01:08 zerojay, didn't even know you had a blog. Feb 21 12:02:05 tealbird,timeless_mbp : http://www.pastebin.com/m1c3e38b6 Feb 21 12:02:14 GeneralAntilles: I had started one up specifically for the NITs back in the day but was pretty much told it wasn't going to be agregated so don't bother. lol Feb 21 12:02:19 Typically mmc wear leveling is done with - say - 1024 blocks - which present to the user as 1000 blocks. The 24 blocks are spares. Every write means an erase of one block, a copy to one of the spare blocks, and reallocation of the block numbers. Feb 21 12:02:30 zerojay, weird. Feb 21 12:03:52 SpeedEvil: but should that be happening already? Feb 21 12:04:12 tealbird: yes - this happens below the interface level. Feb 21 12:04:23 tealbird: if the mmc is reporting bad blocks, this mechanism has failed. Feb 21 12:04:32 SpeedEvil: how can i fix this? Feb 21 12:04:32 I mean, severe enough for it to have failed Feb 21 12:04:43 I have never seen it on normal SD cards Feb 21 12:05:09 Zoup: I would try first filling the entire device with zeros - to ensure it's had one write cycle. Feb 21 12:05:24 Zoup: and then retry flashing. And then run badblocks Feb 21 12:05:36 hmm. Feb 21 12:05:56 SpeedEvil: as in Flashing the eMMC in http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware or normal flashing? Feb 21 12:06:03 flashing the mmc Feb 21 12:06:09 what are the errors - can you pastebin? Feb 21 12:06:17 SpeedEvil: http://www.pastebin.com/m1c3e38b6 Feb 21 12:06:17 Was already done Feb 21 12:06:19 heh Feb 21 12:06:22 hey guys Feb 21 12:06:29 SpeedEvil: + unrecoverable fs corruption Feb 21 12:06:29 what happened to all karma in maemo.org? Feb 21 12:06:30 http://maemo.org/profile/list/ Feb 21 12:06:44 I lost more than 1000+ karma points O_o Feb 21 12:06:48 SpeedEvil: fsck even fails with seg faults! Feb 21 12:06:56 Andy80: Scroll up. Feb 21 12:07:14 zerojay: up where? Feb 21 12:07:32 Ohhoho Feb 21 12:07:43 That was karmic apocalypse Feb 21 12:07:44 Zoup: does it ever come back from this state - might it be the mmc stopping responding? Feb 21 12:08:00 SpeedEvil: yeah, normally is kind of ok Feb 21 12:08:10 SpeedEvil: this happend when i have tried to install lots of applications Feb 21 12:08:21 SpeedEvil: disk usage i guess, before that it was very much ok, no errors at all Feb 21 12:09:07 SpeedEvil: and even now if i enable mounting of p2, its kind of working but some files are not accessible Feb 21 12:09:27 Zoup: simply installing apps should not kill the mmc in this way Feb 21 12:09:56 SpeedEvil: i guess its because installing means using more disk space, reaching more bad blocks? Feb 21 12:10:12 zoup: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5767 Feb 21 12:10:13 Bug 5767: Corrupted /home/user/MyDocs VFAT filesystem out of the box Feb 21 12:10:17 I approve wholeheartedly of the new karma system. Feb 21 12:10:33 It's entirely coincidental that my karma just quadrupled. Feb 21 12:10:40 :)) Feb 21 12:10:45 Blogger. Feb 21 12:10:50 I don't think you can ever get this sort of stuff right. Feb 21 12:10:54 mine went from 140 to 109 :( Feb 21 12:10:56 RST38h: naah - not blogged once. Feb 21 12:10:58 SpeedEvil: So, what was it? A cat? A whole pony maybe? Feb 21 12:11:17 SpeedEvil: how/when did the karma change? Feb 21 12:11:35 Andy80: dunno. Between today and a couple of weeks ago. Feb 21 12:12:05 tealbird: note that mine is ext3 parition issue mainly, maybe vfat one is dead as well, its not very much used Feb 21 12:12:12 is python-qt4 supported on the maemo5-sdk Feb 21 12:12:34 solarion: pyqt is in extras Feb 21 12:12:34 I'll ask more details on mailing list,.... Feb 21 12:12:39 got to go now Feb 21 12:12:42 sejo: I mean Feb 21 12:12:52 zoup: your home directory? Feb 21 12:13:03 tealbird: yep, p2 Feb 21 12:13:18 villemv: going to look for the intel extras then Feb 21 12:13:42 intel? Feb 21 12:13:49 yeah in the sdk Feb 21 12:13:54 SpeedEvil: so, i will try to fill mmc with zero's, mmc reflash and badblocks again? Feb 21 12:14:12 I have a scratchbox running and whish to test the app there before copying it to my n900 Feb 21 12:14:20 ah, you, just add the normal extras line. it has both i386 and armel Feb 21 12:14:26 k Feb 21 12:15:17 zoup: good luck , would be good to know if that works. Might be worth adding this to the bug report mentioning it was on the ext3 partition Feb 21 12:15:33 tealbird: i will :) Feb 21 12:15:37 excellent Feb 21 12:15:43 Zoup: that would be what I'd do if it was my tablet. Feb 21 12:16:05 tealbird: lets hope its not hardware fault ... :(( Feb 21 12:16:23 zoup: for me too since I possibly have the same issue Feb 21 12:16:29 not as bad though Feb 21 12:16:40 SpeedEvil: can this be hardware issue? unrecoverable? Feb 21 12:17:33 ~ping Feb 21 12:17:34 ~pong Feb 21 12:18:26 zoup: you'll find out Feb 21 12:18:30 Zoup: I don't see a way it can't be an unrecoverable hardware issue. Feb 21 12:18:32 but... Feb 21 12:18:50 heya wazd Feb 21 12:18:58 Rst38h: moo Feb 21 12:19:04 Hello all Feb 21 12:19:10 moo wazd Feb 21 12:19:48 I have been wrong before. Twice. oh, actually I was wrong in January too - so three times. Feb 21 12:22:34 SpeedEvil: last question, how to zero entire mmc disk ? does flasher support such act or simply dd if=/dev/zero ? Feb 21 12:22:45 reflash the emmc Feb 21 12:23:33 Stskeeps: do you had similar experience? was that fixed? Feb 21 12:23:49 When flashing the phone, does the battery really have to be fully charged? Feb 21 12:23:57 Wizzup: yes, it's a very good idea Feb 21 12:24:02 no, i did not - but if you have I/O errors on internal MMC something's not good Feb 21 12:24:03 So 2/3 is not good enough... meh Feb 21 12:24:07 and you could consider a RMA Feb 21 12:24:12 Jaffa, Ars. Feb 21 12:24:28 Jaffa, or, alternatively, main story to MeeGo, and another story for Ryan's article. Feb 21 12:24:33 Stskeeps: I just want to upgrade my phone's firmware Feb 21 12:25:15 Wizzup: the issue is that if anything goes wrong, you are left with a hosed device otherwise Feb 21 12:25:27 so charge it fully and never let battery go completely dry Feb 21 12:25:43 I won't Feb 21 12:25:52 I mean, I will* Feb 21 12:26:04 eh Feb 21 12:26:07 * Wizzup slaps Wizzup Feb 21 12:27:06 hmm. i can't answer SIP calls with my bluetooth headset on my N900. but i can answer cellular calls. is that normal? Feb 21 12:28:04 once i answer the SIP call, the headset works ok, but I can't disconnect it either. Feb 21 12:28:17 Stskeeps: reflashing won't zero it will it? Feb 21 12:29:10 SpeedEvil: no, but it will overwrite and your subsequent writes to untouched will come before your reads, effectively zeroing.. Feb 21 12:29:17 untouched areas Feb 21 12:29:53 you want to zero it all - or write to it all though. ideally. Feb 21 12:30:14 badblocks nondestructive test may work Feb 21 12:31:28 is there a binary for this test? Feb 21 12:32:42 I have no idea where it came from - I have a binary on my device Feb 21 12:33:04 busybox,afaik Feb 21 12:35:08 doesn't look like Feb 21 12:36:05 helptext is identical to the badblocks on my laptop Feb 21 12:37:37 It has a date of nov 25 - which is 5 days before I got it IIRC Feb 21 12:38:42 A'ok, new version of Vultures coming up... Feb 21 12:39:00 As soon as I figure out how to keep savefiles in the home dir Feb 21 12:39:48 shared bones plz! :) Feb 21 12:59:00 How do we theme Qt applications in Qt Creator to look as they would do under maemo? Feb 21 13:02:23 someone a good tutorial for Qt4 on maemo? Feb 21 13:02:51 sejo: yeah, that's what I'm looking for too :) Feb 21 13:03:18 alterego: heh :p Feb 21 13:08:55 alterego: run them on Maemo and you should get the theming Feb 21 13:10:38 Jaffa, yeah, but how do we know what the interface is going to look like? Feb 21 13:11:50 alterego: x11vnc? ;) Feb 21 13:12:01 in the video last week, I saw them using QtCreator and they were switching between portrait and landscape modes. I suppose I could look at their source. Feb 21 13:12:13 insgtall the hildon theme on my host. Feb 21 13:12:27 GeneralAntilles: agreed. There'll be a few MeeGo articles scattered throughout, I think Feb 21 13:13:44 SpeedEvil: dd is going on very well Feb 21 13:14:04 SpeedEvil: its a good sign i believe, no Input/Output error yet Feb 21 13:18:27 Hi, just started wifi roaming with my new n900 :) Has anyone got a neat way of dealing with hotspots which require you to fill in an HTML form on connection? Feb 21 13:21:30 I'm looking for something to fill in that form for me when I join certain networks. At the moment when I come in range of one of these networks, my jabber etc disconnects. Feb 21 13:23:39 jwal_maemo: sounds like a good idea, unfortunately I don't think there is currently a solution for what you described. Feb 21 13:23:51 Vulture's done. XChat now. Feb 21 13:24:02 cehteh: There? Feb 21 13:24:17 There was a Maemo 4 app for it, IIRC Feb 21 13:25:17 Would be very handy for an app to listen to connections to certain APs over DBus and to do the appropriate HTTP jiggery to let you straight through. Feb 21 13:25:17 I could probably write a daemon for this myself, if nobody else has. The ony thing I could find like this is "fastconnect" for thecloud.net which has a win32 and s60 version but not for GNU/Linux. Feb 21 13:26:01 Jaffa: Cool, do you know what it is called? Feb 21 13:27:22 jwittema: May have been http://mobile.boingo.com/download/ Not sure there was any OSS app Feb 21 13:29:40 That's exactly what I am talking about. I knew somebody would have thought of it before. Feb 21 13:33:36 rst: yep Feb 21 13:35:06 anyone knows how to emulate the ALT key on the N900 terminal? thx Feb 21 13:35:29 esc Feb 21 13:35:50 cehteh: Where in the xchat config do I enable your plugin? Feb 21 13:35:59 cehteh: need to include that line into the package Feb 21 13:36:28 thresh: nope doesn't worl :-( Feb 21 13:36:36 work Feb 21 13:36:45 I Feb 21 13:37:02 it does in irssi at least Feb 21 13:37:18 uhm ..iirc plugins are loaded automatically when in plugin dir Feb 21 13:37:42 thresh: I run irssi on a remote computer I ssh into Feb 21 13:37:46 me too Feb 21 13:37:51 esc + number works fine Feb 21 13:38:08 and I'd like to switch channels Feb 21 13:38:35 yes, Esc + that blue arrow + number Feb 21 13:39:10 thresh: it's working now. many thx Feb 21 13:39:20 RST38h: http://www.mauve.plus.com/keybindings.conf has some additional keys defined. Feb 21 13:40:15 cehteh: and is there a system-wide one? Feb 21 13:40:38 oh ok usr/lib/xchat Feb 21 13:41:29 yes, i think /usr/lib/xchat2 but have to figure out Feb 21 13:41:40 :) Feb 21 13:44:00 Actually /usr/lib/xchat, it looks Feb 21 13:44:19 hum how does tab completio work in xchat? Feb 21 13:45:14 can be, meanwhile i tested the config loading too, works Feb 21 13:45:54 cehteh: A) ctrl-i. B) Turn on autocompletion char - enter : (or whatever it is) and it completes. C) Define an autocompletion char. I use shift-right Feb 21 13:47:04 What a mess this optification is... Feb 21 13:47:30 okay, anyone can help me here? i messed up with layout and after wrong setting i can't boot uop Feb 21 13:47:31 cehteh: I think I have an autocomplete char defined. A moment. Feb 21 13:47:46 is there way to mount root of n900 to computer? Feb 21 13:48:00 I think I've given up on packaging things altogether. Feb 21 13:48:06 rst: should be $libexecdir Feb 21 13:48:12 It's just not worth it. Feb 21 13:48:26 zog: sshfs Feb 21 13:49:03 cehteh i can't boot it Feb 21 13:49:18 it's bootingf with black screen Feb 21 13:49:43 uhm then not easily Feb 21 13:50:34 i can mount only the user folder Feb 21 13:50:40 but not root one Feb 21 13:50:49 i need root one to fix it Feb 21 13:50:56 is it aviable? Feb 21 13:51:34 cehteh: Shift+Space will autocomplete by default Feb 21 13:51:59 anyone? Feb 21 13:53:09 ZogG: have you setup ssh? Feb 21 13:53:30 RSt: damnit, i remapped shift space to tab for emax and this beeaks in xchat Feb 21 13:53:33 ZogG: you can't easily mount / - the mount functionality is completely seperate Feb 21 13:53:34 nope Feb 21 13:53:48 ZogG: flashing is the only easy solution Feb 21 13:53:56 SpeedEvil, i just need to cp one file from backup to fix it Feb 21 13:54:24 SpeedEvil so there is no way to mount / ? Feb 21 13:55:56 morning Feb 21 13:57:23 RST38h: ah ctrl space reconfigured Feb 21 13:58:33 cehteh: Ctrl-Space is the language switch. Cannot use it, sorry Feb 21 13:58:41 ZogG: to be able to mount u have to have the device booted Feb 21 13:58:46 cehteh: That is why it is Shift-Space Feb 21 13:58:52 heh Feb 21 13:58:59 damit Feb 21 13:59:35 Oooh, is that changelog parsing in Packages? http://maemo.org/packages/view/autodisconnect/ Feb 21 13:59:48 cehteh it's booting but with black screen =) Feb 21 14:00:17 * Arif_ blinks Feb 21 14:00:37 zog u can ssh to it? Feb 21 14:01:14 ZogG: black screen with nokia in it? Feb 21 14:01:23 i didn't set it Feb 21 14:01:43 midas, nope blackscreen after full boot sometimes wih one icon in coner Feb 21 14:01:54 k Feb 21 14:02:16 not really okay =) Feb 21 14:02:20 i'll flash it Feb 21 14:02:23 hehe nope :p Feb 21 14:02:25 yeah Feb 21 14:02:25 but have no backups Feb 21 14:02:27 damn it Feb 21 14:02:30 thats the fastest way Feb 21 14:02:42 it's only one file to correct Feb 21 14:02:45 and i have back up Feb 21 14:02:52 but can't get there =) Feb 21 14:05:29 hmmm Feb 21 14:05:43 now the question is how to flash in gentoo Feb 21 14:05:57 test Feb 21 14:06:33 oh i have to download flasher Feb 21 14:06:36 stupid me Feb 21 14:06:44 i thought it's built-in program Feb 21 14:06:56 but in deb-based distros =( Feb 21 14:07:41 you can unpack the deb and try Feb 21 14:08:22 gentoo cries fo pain :p Feb 21 14:12:38 is mmcblk0 rootfs? Feb 21 14:12:48 p1 .. Feb 21 14:17:38 hi technified Feb 21 14:18:39 does n900 support mkv containers? Feb 21 14:19:34 not the mkvs you warezd :( Feb 21 14:19:42 alterego: no the rootfs is on NAND ubifs Feb 21 14:19:57 gstreamer does, but the media player doesn't seem to. Feb 21 14:20:09 hi Feb 21 14:20:17 cehteh: so do I dd ubifs then? to make a root image? Feb 21 14:21:29 extra-decoders allegedly adds mkv support Feb 21 14:22:03 i just rsync the whole device Feb 21 14:22:16 is it normal that i can't charge N900 from usb Feb 21 14:22:19 i mean it's charging Feb 21 14:22:25 but it never reaches 100% Feb 21 14:23:18 jacekowski: not unusual. depends on the power output from the host device. Feb 21 14:23:33 also, if you're using it aswell. Feb 21 14:23:44 500mA Feb 21 14:23:50 which is maximum for usb Feb 21 14:23:56 left overnight Feb 21 14:24:21 not even with the wall charger it should reach 100% Feb 21 14:24:33 jacekowski: usb only delievers 500mA, where as the charger delivers 1200mA Feb 21 14:24:49 it might cause charging to take longer Feb 21 14:24:55 but it should charge it Feb 21 14:25:11 does it show the charge completed notification? Feb 21 14:25:37 no Feb 21 14:25:37 did you had any connectivity? gps, gprs/hsdpa, fm, BT? Feb 21 14:26:00 with wall charger it finishes charging Feb 21 14:26:03 with usb - no Feb 21 14:26:15 then i'd say the host isn't providing enough power. Feb 21 14:26:23 it says 500mA Feb 21 14:26:25 test with a selfpowered hub Feb 21 14:26:52 jacekowski mplayer can play them Feb 21 14:26:57 who says 500mA? software, or amperimeter? Feb 21 14:27:10 software Feb 21 14:27:31 i'll try it with meter tomorrow Feb 21 14:27:39 or another hub. Feb 21 14:27:54 same thing happens on other laptop as well Feb 21 14:28:05 ah, laptops Feb 21 14:28:22 I often find the usb charger from a pc will "never finish charging" in that the charge light will be flashing orange forever Feb 21 14:28:41 nid0: same here Feb 21 14:28:43 but the battery's sitting at 96% charged, and unplugging+replugging usb will bring up the green light Feb 21 14:28:49 just how it is Feb 21 14:28:51 I've never seen that Feb 21 14:29:09 mine completes. irionically my laptop seems to be better with USB powered devices than my old deskotp. Feb 21 14:29:51 mine isnt always one way or the other, usually it does charge and go green as it should but its not uncommon for me to find it sitting at 96% battery and still blinking orange forever Feb 21 14:30:07 * javispedro has been using a selfpowered hub since getting tired of this in the first days of USB, and i'd even say things were _better_ then Feb 21 14:30:48 they now even sell stupid underpowered selfpowered hubs.. Feb 21 14:31:07 and i had a case when screen didn't returned to original position after a call Feb 21 14:31:16 it was still rotated by 90 degrees Feb 21 14:31:17 that's known Feb 21 14:31:51 it didn't happen to me either :) but there are long stories about that on the www Feb 21 14:33:43 me is better than your laptop =P Feb 21 14:34:27 damn now installing on packages from beggining Feb 21 14:34:47 is there discussion on brainstorm to be able to select several programs for instalation? Feb 21 14:35:13 oh fff Feb 21 14:35:15 ffs Feb 21 14:35:28 i've been trying to login to ovi for like 5 minutes now Feb 21 14:35:35 with my e-mail instead of username Feb 21 14:35:43 ovi share needs work :( Feb 21 14:36:07 why store can't remember that i've got n900 Feb 21 14:36:19 it always shows me N97 stuff Feb 21 14:36:49 does the same for me too Feb 21 14:37:10 I think n900 inclusion in ovi is spotty at best atm, it isnt even listed as a device in the contacts/share sections Feb 21 14:37:17 I still have to keep them set to my old e90 Feb 21 14:44:14 has anyone tried n900's media player with mediatomb upnp server? when i try to play music over it, it just says "Media format not supported" Feb 21 14:44:24 regardless of the file type Feb 21 14:46:42 there seem to be various bugs with upnp streaming at the moment, iv not had any problems with audio but video streaming is basically fubar Feb 21 14:46:57 cehteh: what's your rsync commancd line to do full root backup then? Feb 21 14:48:38 what i would really like is nice OTA sync Feb 21 14:48:45 of everything Feb 21 14:49:23 so i just click on something -> send to my n900 and it's there in couple seconds/minutes Feb 21 14:49:31 depending if it's over wifi or gsm Feb 21 14:49:57 if phone isn't connected to internet at all it will be sent as soon as it is Feb 21 14:50:26 jacekowski: Like a 24-style "send it to my PDA" Feb 21 14:50:47 Yeah, I've got something like that in the pipeline :) Feb 21 14:50:53 alterego: i show you later, not at the laptop right now Feb 21 14:50:57 ah, HotSync... Feb 21 14:51:22 Jaffa, ill gladly let chloe send stuff to any of my devices :D Feb 21 14:51:39 * cehteh ever wanted a nice distributed fs for that Feb 21 14:51:47 lcuk: worst. innuendo. ever. Feb 21 14:51:55 :P Feb 21 14:51:55 wasnt innuendo Feb 21 14:52:54 disconnected operation. store n copies for redundancy, move data where its needed Feb 21 14:53:21 bbl Feb 21 14:55:18 remoo Feb 21 14:55:44 javis, your maemo_version computation thingie does not work in sb2 Feb 21 14:56:15 RST38h: argh. does the file exist? Feb 21 14:56:24 yes Feb 21 14:56:36 but sb2 has got some issues invoking cut Feb 21 14:57:39 and isn't that very, very, very weird. Feb 21 14:58:13 well, if you're not interested in building for diablo just force that to 5 Feb 21 14:58:42 I did but it is hardly universal :) Feb 21 14:59:17 I cannot what the cut issue is about... Feb 21 14:59:23 *cannot imagine Feb 21 15:00:19 iiirc it's something very very stupid like cut -c1 < /etc/maemo_release Feb 21 15:00:46 well, sb2 -e lets me invoke it Feb 21 15:00:49 If I flash the rootfs, will it leave all my settings intact? Feb 21 15:00:54 Like contacts? Feb 21 15:01:01 but anything started with just sb2 does not Feb 21 15:01:30 * javispedro looks at gnu make builtin functions... Feb 21 15:01:35 javispedro: does OpenVG require it being rendered straight to screen or is it just 2d accel? Feb 21 15:01:41 like, draw into buffer Feb 21 15:01:48 Jaffa: when you built python-evolution, did you include the patches at https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/packages/evolution-python/trunk/debian/patches/?root=pymaemo ? Feb 21 15:01:49 Stskeeps: it can render into an egl pbuffer much like gles Feb 21 15:02:19 javispedro: we might be able to use the 3d drivers for something sane then.. Qt4.6 has OpenVG support Feb 21 15:02:42 this reminds me to file the "fremantle openvg missing" bug... Feb 21 15:02:51 Heh Feb 21 15:02:58 hey Feb 21 15:03:14 what's the url for "how do i get 1.1.1 to update"? Feb 21 15:06:50 RST38h: maybe you could use full path to cut? aka /usr/bin/cut Feb 21 15:06:55 yea Feb 21 15:07:03 * timeless_mbp pokes javispedro Feb 21 15:07:11 oh Feb 21 15:07:13 green light Feb 21 15:07:17 over USB Feb 21 15:07:21 * javispedro feels poken Feb 21 15:07:23 * RST38h kinda hoped SB/SB2 had default macros to determine maemo version Feb 21 15:07:27 after 18h of charging Feb 21 15:07:42 must be really bad karma Feb 21 15:07:51 charges in 4 hours or so, over USB Feb 21 15:08:01 RST38h: it has quite a lot of methods though, but all of them use cut somewhere along the computation =) Feb 21 15:08:02 it charges to almost full pretty quickly Feb 21 15:08:17 but last 1% takes forever Feb 21 15:08:27 calibrate Feb 21 15:08:30 pkg-config maemo-release-dev, version from the maemo-release pkg, the maemo_release file... Feb 21 15:08:49 No _WINDOWS in Maemo? :) Feb 21 15:09:06 there's a HILDON_VERSION define iirc Feb 21 15:11:45 That should do the job Feb 21 15:11:58 not for the packaging... Feb 21 15:12:06 mhm Feb 21 15:12:25 and also, including hildon files in SDL apps is... fun :) Feb 21 15:12:26 no such macro in sb2 Feb 21 15:12:52 http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/hildon/hildon-Versioning-Macros.html Feb 21 15:12:59 * RST38h ready to release xchat with cehteh's plugin Feb 21 15:14:36 what service do you guys use for quick photo sharing? flickr insisted in merging my yahoo email with my flickr id Feb 21 15:14:54 facebook here Feb 21 15:15:27 pupnik: pi.pe via twitter or FB :) Feb 21 15:15:35 If you mean "on the n900" Feb 21 15:15:47 picasa Feb 21 15:15:58 pupnik: just create another yahoo account Feb 21 15:16:05 pupnik: flickr never needs you to have it afterwards Feb 21 15:16:46 hmm k Feb 21 15:16:47 pupnik: hi Feb 21 15:16:51 pupnik: did you see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=539235&postcount=639 ? Feb 21 15:16:52 hiya Feb 21 15:17:10 hello Feb 21 15:17:17 Does picasa have google maps integration? :) Feb 21 15:17:30 any guide for making a clean install on my n900? Feb 21 15:17:36 http://wiki.maemo.org/Cannot_install_firmware_update ? Feb 21 15:17:39 dope, javispedro Feb 21 15:18:56 I'm out! Talk later Feb 21 15:19:08 cy c&d :) Feb 21 15:19:14 hello, RST38bis Feb 21 15:19:24 evil bis twin Feb 21 15:19:32 RST38bis: test Feb 21 15:19:45 RST38h: I can have him removed Feb 21 15:19:50 just say the word Feb 21 15:20:27 my picture viewer has 300 empty thumbnails Feb 21 15:20:37 bbl Feb 21 15:20:41 RST38h: ok, time's up Feb 21 15:21:25 RST38bis: test Feb 21 15:21:43 ok, plugin does not work Feb 21 15:22:55 anyone?+ Feb 21 15:24:08 Fine, I'll just backup my home directory .. Feb 21 15:25:15 what's the plugin about, btw? Feb 21 15:26:11 notifications with vibra and led Feb 21 15:26:18 ah, interesting Feb 21 15:26:19 Is it normal that flasher uses 100% cpy? Feb 21 15:26:26 cpu* Feb 21 15:26:45 http://tiny.cc/pSIOC Feb 21 15:26:46 http://tiny.cc/pSIOC Feb 21 15:27:49 ah, now it works Feb 21 15:31:58 who remembers how to manually force photo viewer to clear out deleted pictures? Feb 21 15:32:17 i have hundreds deleted Feb 21 15:36:12 i just bought a n900 and it has it latest firmware but how can i "clear all stuff" from the memory?? Feb 21 15:36:31 stuff is vague Feb 21 15:38:21 format it? Feb 21 15:38:30 Arif_: yes Feb 21 15:38:34 Arif_: how can I do that? Feb 21 15:39:01 you mean the Mydocs folder or all your settings? Feb 21 15:39:29 antii, there are 2 flashing stages easily permissable from linux, one is the main reflash route which resets the rootfs Feb 21 15:39:31 all stuff Feb 21 15:39:38 and theres another flashing image for the eMMC Feb 21 15:39:51 reflash both images (firmware and eMMC) Feb 21 15:39:54 Arif_: ok Feb 21 15:39:59 what lcuk said :P Feb 21 15:40:06 cause i have already latest firmware Feb 21 15:40:11 still necessary to flash firmware then? Feb 21 15:40:45 what are you trying to get rid off exactly? ie did you buy a used one with lots of stuff installed? Feb 21 15:41:02 or take lots of compromising photographs Feb 21 15:41:07 frals: yes, it got some stuff still :P Feb 21 15:41:09 frals: No, it was a direct packaging from upstream. Feb 21 15:41:47 Jaffa: ok, would you mind applying those patches? Feb 21 15:41:54 frals: can you send me that link via email or something? irssi is being stupid and not properly wrapping URLs Feb 21 15:41:59 sure Feb 21 15:42:13 drop me your email in a pm please :) Feb 21 15:43:17 so do i have to "update" the os to then? Feb 21 15:43:48 easiest is to reflash the firmware as lcuk and Arif_ said Feb 21 15:43:56 frals: have any good guide for that? Feb 21 15:44:02 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Feb 21 15:44:18 frals: I'll try to push a new version this evening Feb 21 15:44:28 Jaffa: much appreciated, ta :) Feb 21 15:45:03 RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM this is latest? Feb 21 15:45:14 no Feb 21 15:45:24 3.2010.02-8 Feb 21 15:45:52 ok, should I get the global release if i live in like sweden? Feb 21 15:46:05 jao Feb 21 15:47:51 Is the flashable image for PR1.1.1 been released? HAM isn't showing it in the UK/for me Feb 21 15:48:27 Jaffa: you really should ditch the uk variant Feb 21 15:48:34 heh, snap to grid is the greatest thing to happen to my N900 desktop ;) Feb 21 15:50:24 frals: btw, that one is enough right? nothing more to download? Feb 21 15:51:07 timeless_mbp: I wasn't sure I had it. Device is from Finland and no region code in sources.list Feb 21 15:51:20 ive no idea, never reflashed mine :) if you wanna clear the emmc you need the emmc image as well i guess Feb 21 15:51:21 SplasPood: Where fro? Feb 21 15:51:32 frals: whats the emmc doing? Feb 21 15:51:34 Jaffa: dpkg -l should list your variant iirc? Feb 21 15:51:40 RST38bis: test Feb 21 15:51:46 Jaffa: I believe it's an undoc'd feature.. I installed 'Tweakr' which lets you enable/disable some of em Feb 21 15:52:31 i took my desktop pc apart last night to replug in one of hard drives Feb 21 15:52:42 i used the torch on n900 to light the way Feb 21 15:52:54 after i had reassembled the pc i wondered where my n900 was Feb 21 15:53:09 RST38bis: test Feb 21 15:53:15 timeless_mbp: know which package? Feb 21 15:53:25 Jaffa: i think it'd be the meta package Feb 21 15:53:25 and also wondered why there was some random light coming out of the grills Feb 21 15:53:28 no does not work Feb 21 15:53:32 fremantle whatever Feb 21 15:53:38 cehteh: how is it supposed to work anyway? Feb 21 15:53:54 Jaffa: however.... Battery died during the night and I just powered it back on and some of my widgets are MIA and things are acting a bit funky. so... beware Feb 21 15:54:15 lol Feb 21 15:54:35 cehteh: does it only work when device is locked/screen off? Feb 21 15:54:51 yes partly Feb 21 15:55:10 timeless_mbp: That's what I guessed. Totally failing to find it Feb 21 15:55:19 dialogs when xchat has no focus Feb 21 15:55:23 ok let us try Feb 21 15:55:59 cehteh: duplicates username, does not bring xchat into focus when dialog clicked Feb 21 15:56:05 RST38h: Feb 21 15:56:13 RST38bis: test Feb 21 15:56:23 RST38bis: cheese Feb 21 15:56:42 i set 'ceh*' as extra hilite Feb 21 15:56:57 ok, works Feb 21 15:57:47 cehteh: no way to do it the same way as messanging, by painting window over, until focus gets back in Feb 21 15:57:47 RST38h: i be at laptop in 3 minutes Feb 21 15:58:11 could someone w/ 1.1.1 poke me? Feb 21 15:58:22 cehteh: only shows the first message Feb 21 15:58:36 cehteh: oh actually shows them all and makes you click through Feb 21 15:59:52 lol lcuk Feb 21 16:00:52 cehteh: This plugin will be a huge problem if someone floods you Feb 21 16:02:08 RST38h: i didnt really expected you to review the code, but i thought you RTFM at least :P it has flood control Feb 21 16:02:32 and you can disable the dialogs with /notify_mode -d Feb 21 16:03:04 * RST38h is just a stupid bovine Feb 21 16:03:26 i just left it enabled with all bells and whistles Feb 21 16:03:34 cehteh: how does flood control work, for bovines? Feb 21 16:03:55 it has a counter which counts down Feb 21 16:04:10 * RST38h needs to understand wheth it is ok to leave all these whistels enabled in the package, by default Feb 21 16:04:14 and every 'recovery_time' seconds its counts this counter up ... to a max Feb 21 16:04:31 default is 5 messages, and 10 minutes recovers Feb 21 16:04:57 But if I send you a message each minute, I can still potentially create a shitload of dialogs? Feb 21 16:05:02 so one could flood you overnight with maybe 20 dialogs when he tries hard Feb 21 16:05:19 RST38bis is your n900? Feb 21 16:05:25 yes Feb 21 16:05:31 ok close the device Feb 21 16:05:35 done Feb 21 16:06:03 now look Feb 21 16:06:32 there should be no more than 5 dialogs Feb 21 16:06:40 should I open it? Feb 21 16:06:44 yes Feb 21 16:06:53 1 Feb 21 16:07:29 whenever xchat gets focus the dialog throttling is set back Feb 21 16:07:46 cehteh: All right, let us release it onto unsuspecting maemo.org members and see what happens =) Feb 21 16:07:54 hehe Feb 21 16:08:18 i was thinking about disabling all and one has to enable it in .xchat2/maemo_notify.conf Feb 21 16:08:38 but that has poor discoverability and mostly i was just to lazy to change the code Feb 21 16:08:59 nobody will use it this way Feb 21 16:09:15 if someone complains tell him to put 'maemo_notify -cp' there Feb 21 16:09:41 this was as in the 'current way'? .. hey i use it this way :P Feb 21 16:09:44 somebody pinged me, but is not visible in my irc client log anymore Feb 21 16:10:20 one may add the other notification things .. like incoming mail with this yellow notes Feb 21 16:10:37 but frankly i dont like that, i like the dialogs more Feb 21 16:11:54 its fully configureable at least and comes with source :P ... Feb 21 16:17:09 hey, is there any information available of the n900 serial port? How difficult is it to create IR remote control support to the device? Feb 21 16:17:34 (that you use an external IR remote control to skip songs and such) Feb 21 16:18:08 i thought you are the nokia guy here? :) Feb 21 16:18:10 konttori: none public :/ people know what type of port it is but not which is which Feb 21 16:18:29 and risk is frying your n900 :P Feb 21 16:19:11 konttori, dual n900 - bluetooth,wifi,adhoc etc Feb 21 16:19:17 it was known on 770,n800,n810 so maybe one day Feb 21 16:19:24 * cehteh wonders why they only put a ir sender into it not a tranceiver Feb 21 16:19:29 konttori: you want to receive ir or send ir? Feb 21 16:19:37 receive IR Feb 21 16:19:54 I don't think it can receive, only transmit? Feb 21 16:19:55 konttori: afaik, has not been done yet Feb 21 16:19:56 so that I can hook it up to my telly and use the mac remote control to control slideshow Feb 21 16:20:23 konttori: lirc will do send but not receive Feb 21 16:20:25 At least that's what I've heard on talk.. Feb 21 16:20:37 ah, so no receive support on the chip then? Feb 21 16:20:52 nobody knows Feb 21 16:20:54 konttori: that you should know better Feb 21 16:21:04 konttori: all we can tell here is that nobody has done it Feb 21 16:21:13 well, I really haven't had to know anything about the IR port so far Feb 21 16:21:31 ok, thanks. I'll ask inside next week then. Feb 21 16:21:40 konttori: lirc should be the source code you want to look at Feb 21 16:21:45 if I find out anything, I'll try to add it to a wiki page. Feb 21 16:21:49 konttori: something is telling me it is not a serial port on n900 Feb 21 16:21:53 konttori, when your littlest grows up a little, you can get a human remote contorl :D Feb 21 16:22:00 "sweetie, turn the channel over for daddy" Feb 21 16:22:08 true. handy! Feb 21 16:22:12 nokia is a bit burecratic and huge right? :) Feb 21 16:22:12 lcuk <-- exploits minors =) Feb 21 16:22:17 haha Feb 21 16:22:53 cehteh: a bit?? Feb 21 16:22:55 nah Feb 21 16:23:00 hehe Feb 21 16:24:30 konttori, setup bluemaemo and use n900->n900 or some such combination Feb 21 16:24:42 this wlan powersaving really sux, takes 1-2 minutes until irc messages appear on the n900 when its not otherwise active on the net Feb 21 16:27:39 cehteh, I'm gussing it's heavily dependant on your wlan AP as well Feb 21 16:28:07 yeah crappy old dlink here .. i will never buy dlink again Feb 21 16:28:26 cehteh, while you're at it you can upgrade to b/g/n too :) Feb 21 16:28:35 (too bad n900 doesn't support n, though ;-)) Feb 21 16:28:41 its g Feb 21 16:28:44 i want a :) Feb 21 16:28:58 n900 doesnt support a either :/ Feb 21 16:31:05 I'm guessing a would have very little provisions for power saving modes.. Feb 21 16:31:50 well wlan is a pest here on my neighborhood .. there are more than 10 different nets Feb 21 16:32:03 a will give me some independence Feb 21 16:36:54 crap i want eap-fast Feb 21 16:55:34 hrw|gone: ping Feb 21 17:00:49 im trying to start the phone with U-key + usbcable, but It doesent seem to work out :s Feb 21 17:05:07 in what way? Feb 21 17:07:34 * cehteh never needed the 'u' key Feb 21 17:08:35 nice reverse dns :P Feb 21 17:11:54 hi, I've set up SIP but it is not visible in contacts (like skype for phone calls) is it normal? Feb 21 17:15:01 sobczyk: what do you mean? Feb 21 17:15:55 sobczyk: when i create a new contact, i have cell, mail, google talk, google talk, sip, skype Feb 21 17:16:08 nid0: if I wanna flash Feb 21 17:16:12 reflash Feb 21 17:16:36 N800 disassembly is not THAT easy lol, finally cleaned it completely :P Feb 21 17:17:59 timeless_mbp: when I go into contact detail page there is phone skype->phone but no sip Feb 21 17:20:20 nvm I figured it out Feb 21 17:20:33 nid0: dont work :s Feb 21 17:23:52 Hi all Feb 21 17:24:46 I'm thinking of upgrading my iPhone to the n900 , has anyone done this and do you have any pros/cons to pass on? Feb 21 17:25:01 Open OS Feb 21 17:26:24 aphrek: never had an iphone. Feb 21 17:27:39 How do you find the touch screen? Feb 21 17:28:02 it appears that photo tracker scans ALL media in MyDocs and mmc1 except for cities and a few other opt-out directories? woww Feb 21 17:29:33 i guess that makes sense in the crazy new millennium Feb 21 17:30:48 put in cities too! put in everything! show us every x bitmap! show us every wallpaper! who cares Feb 21 17:31:03 aphrek: the touch screen is ok though no multitouch Feb 21 17:31:33 it is more precise Feb 21 17:31:58 pupnik: oh geez Feb 21 17:32:02 pupnik: I just noticed.. Feb 21 17:32:14 sobczyk: Thats ok i can leave with that. I like the idea of thr n900 but im trying yo find a compelling case over the iphone Feb 21 17:32:25 pupnik: I have the warcraft2 port installed, so all the freakin war2 media... Feb 21 17:32:39 for one I love that I can write apps fast with python for the n900 Feb 21 17:32:51 you can add directories to ignore Feb 21 17:33:03 pupnik: oh yea? Then I will. Feb 21 17:33:05 but the community is smaller so less dedicated apps Feb 21 17:34:09 sobczyk: I've had an n95 in the past - is the n900 a totally different ball game? Feb 21 17:34:22 grr .. one of the main advantages in resource consumption is that the n900 runs native apps .. and people only write python apps Feb 21 17:35:00 well if people write apps .. i still wait for a ssh sharing plugin Feb 21 17:35:27 Is maemo to stay with debian? Feb 21 17:35:33 aphrek: software wise yes n900 -> linux OS, n95 symbian, I'dont know much about the n95 hardware but the n900 is performance wise like the new iphone gs Feb 21 17:35:38 you mean meego? Feb 21 17:36:03 Wow - so it's pretty nippy? Feb 21 17:36:03 is there any navigation app avaliable for n900 Feb 21 17:36:20 that sygic thing? is there any public beta, torrent, anything? Feb 21 17:36:30 And battery life good? Feb 21 17:36:39 jacekowski: nokias ovi maps, though I've never used it Feb 21 17:36:50 nope Feb 21 17:37:11 there is no navigation in n900 ovi maps Feb 21 17:39:24 aphrek: I only had a simple phone (no smartphones before) but for me if it lasts till nigh it's ok :) Feb 21 17:39:48 cehteh: share via ssh? checked "sharing-plugin-cli"? Feb 21 17:40:11 hm, i did a reflash frals still got contacs and stuff Feb 21 17:41:58 frals: where is that? Feb 21 17:42:15 cehteh: garage.maemo.org, no package out yet afaik Feb 21 17:42:22 ah ok Feb 21 17:42:30 in python how do you get the popup (so it slides up from the bottom?) Feb 21 17:42:32 but you just need to svn co it and you can build it right away Feb 21 17:42:49 (worked for me in sdk anyway) Feb 21 17:42:50 another crash. another session opening photoviewer and hey! lots of pictures i havent seen before, and blank thumbnails Feb 21 17:44:43 "I have a great idea! lets crawl over 30+ gigabytes of flash memory picking up random pieces of media and throw thos at the user, slowly. We'll call it "photo viewer". Feb 21 17:45:01 Feb 21 17:45:01 No matches found for sharing-plugin-cli Feb 21 17:45:04 hmpf Feb 21 17:45:41 Right, MWKN editorial on MeeGo done; time for the rest of t issue. Feb 21 17:46:19 alterego: you wanted my backup script? Feb 21 17:46:25 jacekowski: There's navigation in Ovi Maps, there's just no junction guidance Feb 21 17:47:36 cehteh: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/sharing-cli/ Feb 21 17:47:40 i appreciate mwkn jaffa Feb 21 17:47:43 my bad, no plugin in the name :< Feb 21 17:47:44 http://lumiera.pastebin.ca/1804825 .. crude personal hack .. but you get how it works Feb 21 17:47:50 frals: thanks Feb 21 17:47:59 * cehteh is not used to garage Feb 21 17:48:40 Jaffa: btw, the ui/layout is nice Feb 21 17:49:06 pupnik: timeless_mbp: ta :-) Feb 21 17:49:11 frals: is that an sftp sharing? Feb 21 17:49:25 its for anything commandline based afaik Feb 21 17:49:26 looks like no code released Feb 21 17:49:29 it's just a new project.. Feb 21 17:49:50 there is in the scm repo Feb 21 17:49:51 timeless: looks rather like a generic one Feb 21 17:49:56 just git clone and build Feb 21 17:50:06 well does it ask for a passphrase? Feb 21 17:50:17 i dont want a unlocked ssh key on my phone Feb 21 17:50:21 frals: doin it Feb 21 17:50:45 cehteh: dunno, never tried it, just looked at the source to figure out how to make my sharing-fmms service :P Feb 21 17:50:51 maybe i just sshfs my server and doing 'cp' then Feb 21 17:51:26 btw is the sshfs community packaged? .. i had to configure udev for making it useable for 'user' Feb 21 17:51:40 just a little thing which could be added to that package Feb 21 17:52:22 frals: whooh, succeeded with my flashing :-) Feb 21 17:55:18 Jaffa: ? Feb 21 17:55:33 http://mwkn.net/2010/07/community.html why does {user:vdvsc} not appear usefully? Feb 21 17:56:35 * AntiXpucT want zsh-4.3.10 and Psi+ packages for maemo. >_< Feb 21 17:58:14 whats psi? Feb 21 17:58:37 i want quivder or gqview now. photos can jump in a lake Feb 21 17:58:44 quiver Feb 21 17:59:02 pupnik: XMPP client Feb 21 18:00:32 I would like more maemo screens had the rotate capability Feb 21 18:02:42 * N900evil ponders simply copying / to /mmc - to elimin all space concerns. Feb 21 18:03:23 hehe my gqview is a catastrophe Feb 21 18:03:59 runs tho. nice basic compatibility. Feb 21 18:04:43 N900evil: my saying .. the NAND should have a readonly base system which will be shadowed by a unionfs, privoted, overmounted or whatever Feb 21 18:05:05 pupnik: gqview? Feb 21 18:05:30 would be almost bullet proof and solve this crappy partitioning scheme Feb 21 18:07:37 if it is so easy write up a howto cehteh Feb 21 18:07:54 pupnik: thats something nokia should have done Feb 21 18:08:09 (the partitioning, not the howto) Feb 21 18:08:16 red - my favorite image viewer. needs some hildon lovin Feb 21 18:08:21 look at eeepc's and olpc .. they do that right at least Feb 21 18:08:32 gqview is nice btw Feb 21 18:08:50 cehteh, prolly sane Feb 21 18:08:50 cet like xandros. Feb 21 18:09:18 i am impressed that the stock program is sort of usable. deb on my site Feb 21 18:09:32 The aformentioned copying lags badly. Feb 21 18:09:43 have a boot option to reset the device to factory default yet alone would solve a lot issues and support which costs nokia Feb 21 18:10:21 i hope they get that right with meego at least Feb 21 18:13:06 as an alternative - always boot from sd if formatted rikght. Feb 21 18:13:39 there is a dual boot mer now, yes? Feb 21 18:14:00 i want a useable camera .. which can store on SD .. grr Feb 21 18:14:51 cool -- you can sshfs mount under /media/ and it will show up in file manager Feb 21 18:15:09 pupnik, kot wants good image viewer on maemo too Feb 21 18:16:16 now the question: how to unmount a sshfs as 'user' Feb 21 18:16:27 fusermount -u /media/laptop/ Feb 21 18:16:27 mount: can't find /media/laptop in /etc/fstab Feb 21 18:16:32 pff Feb 21 18:21:06 * N900evil installs gcc and shit onto /copy Feb 21 18:22:05 hehe .. i want a sdk in a chroot on the sdcard .. do you know a easy ways to booststrap it without debootstrap? Feb 21 18:22:15 (maybe just rsyncing the sdk over there) Feb 21 18:23:04 hey with installing a sdk everywhere i can use it with distcc .. *thinking* Feb 21 18:23:12 a cluster of n900! :P Feb 21 18:26:13 tealbird,SpeedEvil : its hardware fault, dd exited with Input/Output error, after reflash badblocks do still exist Feb 21 18:29:41 I wanteg to install fennec but when doing apt-get install fennec I get E: Handler silently failed, any idea what could happened? Feb 21 18:36:22 ok, how the hell does the N900 resolv ? Feb 21 18:36:39 echo nameserver 10.0.0.7 > /etc/resolv.conf Feb 21 18:36:46 ping 10.0.0.7 is good Feb 21 18:37:03 but ping fails to resolv using 10.0.0.7 Feb 21 18:37:18 try to comment the localhost, it worked for me Feb 21 18:37:47 lbt: seems you are alreadt overwriting resolv.conf3 Feb 21 18:38:08 I setup openvpn Feb 21 18:38:11 and that's all fine Feb 21 18:38:14 lbt: i can't see why its not working, but it should be on network side of story Feb 21 18:38:27 yeah - it has dnsmasq running too Feb 21 18:38:49 lbt: you tcpdump to see if you are receiving anything on both sides Feb 21 18:39:06 lbt: *use Feb 21 18:43:37 Zoup: thanks... Feb 21 18:44:06 I setup my DNS to only reply to my LAN - and the openVPN is on another /net Feb 21 18:44:59 tcpdump port 53 : 18:44:31.380488 IP elm.dgreaves.com.domain > 10.20.20.6.22500: 59564 Refused- 0/0/0 (32) Feb 21 18:45:21 jobs Feb 21 18:45:32 oops - bad focus :) Feb 21 18:48:23 lbt: 'refused' means dns issue, probably disallowed by ip range Feb 21 18:48:43 yes - I was using ACLs and allow-query Feb 21 18:48:57 lbt: is it fixed then? great! Feb 21 18:49:06 yeah, should be Feb 21 18:49:09 lbt: can i have a question now? :)) Feb 21 18:49:14 sure Feb 21 18:49:33 lbt: can you setup openvpn client with random ip address to connect to openvpn server with static ip? Feb 21 18:49:39 yes Feb 21 18:49:53 that's what I just did Feb 21 18:50:12 lbt: can you post your config file ( remove sensitive info ) to pastebin for me? Feb 21 18:50:58 OK - but you may be better following this: http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html Feb 21 18:51:13 since you need to setup certs and the like Feb 21 18:51:21 is your static box linux? Feb 21 18:51:28 lbt: yes :) Feb 21 18:51:48 OK - so I was nervous about the /build-ca type stuff Feb 21 18:51:53 lbt: got the openvpn server running there, have no idea on how to allow dynamic client ip address and possible authentication method Feb 21 18:52:01 but actually the easy-rsa is simple Feb 21 18:52:24 so essentially you create a self-CA Feb 21 18:52:32 you then create a server cert Feb 21 18:52:35 and a client cert Feb 21 18:52:45 you sign both using the CA Feb 21 18:52:58 the server knows the client was signed by the CA Feb 21 18:53:10 the client knows the server is real and not spoofed Feb 21 18:53:16 lbt: i see, nice! thanks pal Feb 21 18:53:35 np - yell if you get stuck Feb 21 18:53:41 lbt: sure Feb 21 19:03:47 timeless_mbp: s/ta/thank you/ (northern England slang). {user:vdvsc} doesn't appear usefully as it's a typo Feb 21 19:04:13 * timeless_mbp recognizes 'ta' Feb 21 19:06:30 Jaffa: does that mean it's fixed? Feb 21 19:07:29 what can I use instead of xev to find out keycodes on the n900 keyboard, and whats the best way of remapping them? Feb 21 19:08:53 timeless_mbp: Will fix manually and try and improve the error handling Feb 21 19:09:52 It seems that there *are* people that don't understand in t.m.o and they are gathered in this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=539923 Feb 21 19:10:24 Jaffa: Do you understand t.m.o? Feb 21 19:18:38 Jaffa: pong Feb 21 19:20:09 Shapeshifter: I used xev ;) Feb 21 19:20:30 Shapeshifter: and then you can use xmodmap or alter system keymap Feb 21 19:23:02 hrw: Was about the update repo Feb 21 19:23:10 ok Feb 21 19:23:11 RST38h: I sometimes wonder. Feb 21 19:26:27 Jaffa: btw - you have mp-fremantle-generic-pr in which version on tablet? Feb 21 19:28:59 hrw: Hmm, apparently it's been purged. Feb 21 19:30:23 Jaffa: ha! Feb 21 19:30:33 Jaffa: install it then Feb 21 19:30:34 hrw, Jaffa, mine went when i installed the upadte to hildon-initscripts which had been held back Feb 21 19:31:01 fnordianslip: and you use my 'system-updates' repo? Feb 21 19:31:09 nope. Feb 21 19:32:20 k Feb 21 19:36:03 erikOH: Unable to find a source package for modest-l10n Feb 21 19:36:07 sorry erikOH Feb 21 19:36:20 ~curse nokia badly for Error: Unable to find a source package for modest-l10n Feb 21 19:36:21 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nokia badly for Error: Unable to find a source package for modest-l10n ! Feb 21 19:36:45 Jaffa: I will not add timeless's patch to modest package Feb 21 19:37:05 Jaffa: it will look bad in !en_GB systems Feb 21 19:37:13 hrw: the strings should be public in 1.2 Feb 21 19:37:15 but that won't help Feb 21 19:37:22 because i didn't translate it for everyone Feb 21 19:37:28 because the strings aren't in the svn repo Feb 21 19:37:33 or git or whatever Feb 21 19:37:48 timeless_mbp: nokia suxx when it comes to software Feb 21 19:37:59 s/software/process/ Feb 21 19:38:06 software is merely a consequence :) Feb 21 19:38:11 if something can be done wrong they did it twice at least Feb 21 19:38:28 * timeless_mbp goes back to merging l10n strings for 1.2 Feb 21 19:38:53 * timeless_mbp wonders what the heck this means Feb 21 19:39:57 I have to report modest bug... but it will get wontfix or will get ignored (which is equal anyway) Feb 21 19:40:30 does anyone play streaming music on device? The player doesn't allow multi-tasking... Feb 21 19:40:42 * timeless_mbp sighs Feb 21 19:40:58 lbt: last time when I was lsitening to stream it worked fine Feb 21 19:41:06 it works Feb 21 19:41:14 is it bad that Ballmer pronounces 'nokia' as 'knock-eeya' Feb 21 19:41:15 but you can't switch to desktop Feb 21 19:42:15 I can while streaming from an UPNP server. Feb 21 19:42:15 instead of "no kee-aah" Feb 21 19:42:28 range: launched from browser? Feb 21 19:42:43 http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/maemo/shots/Screenshot-20100220-135323.png is list of messages. http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/maemo/shots/Screenshot-20100220-135330.png is email. where from did Modest took first two emails in maillist? Feb 21 19:42:46 No, from within the media player. Feb 21 19:42:52 hm, want last.fm but cant find it in application manager, what do I have to do? Feb 21 19:42:54 yeah - that's OK too Feb 21 19:43:01 antii: vagalume Feb 21 19:43:18 The music lives on my streaming server. And that works (or what do you mean with stream?) Feb 21 19:44:19 hrw: works with music player? Feb 21 19:44:30 antii: it is separate Feb 21 19:44:36 ok Feb 21 19:45:39 timeless_mbp: can you share modest-l10n-plpl package for 1.2 release? Feb 21 19:46:25 I'm clicking on an m3u from MythTV Feb 21 19:47:25 please tell me that I'm not crazy and that they are just too bored to read the thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=539990#post539990 Feb 21 19:52:02 Feb 21 19:52:10 lbt: Works fine for me too. I just opened an m3u from the web Feb 21 19:52:16 fucking irssi, keeps redrawing Feb 21 19:52:27 bug #9199 Feb 21 19:52:28 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9199 Message list shows incorrect entries Feb 21 19:52:34 range: it works... but can you switch to the desktop Feb 21 19:52:39 Yes. Feb 21 19:52:50 And the music keeps playing. Feb 21 19:52:59 odd Feb 21 19:53:13 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=539996 <- how long till that guy loses his newly gained job? Feb 21 19:53:19 (i do admire his passion but..) Feb 21 19:54:06 Stskeeps: communications engineer + that topic. Win Feb 21 19:54:13 Stskeeps: As long as he keeps his fingers close to him while under an NDA ... :) Feb 21 19:54:23 And doesn't talk about it, that means. Feb 21 19:54:33 Anyone know how I can change the unicode in the terminal? :) Feb 21 19:55:10 Stskeeps: his spelling sucks Feb 21 19:55:47 nobody tell him to spell it "lose" not "loose hope" Feb 21 19:55:52 heh Feb 21 19:55:55 it does only say "en_US" in the terminal if i write locale, shoudlt it say en_US.UTF-8? Feb 21 19:56:02 timeless_mbp: that doesn't stop people from being employed however, looking at nokia l10n :P Feb 21 19:56:17 pupnik: I was about to come up with a witty comment on that :) Feb 21 19:56:53 Stskeeps: you're assuming we employ l10n people Feb 21 19:57:18 enthusiasm is good though Feb 21 19:57:56 i did the export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" command and it changed but how can I save that? Feb 21 19:58:12 one can only say how wonderful these are a certain number of times though Feb 21 19:58:17 timeless_mbp: s/employ/employ, subcontract, hold as slaves/g Feb 21 19:59:04 th0br0: re meeting, http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-February/000408.html Feb 21 19:59:05 timeless_mbp: but does his arabic spelling suck - forex. Feb 21 20:00:10 * SpeedEvil updates profile pic with the aid of meegos.com . Feb 21 20:00:11 :) Feb 21 20:00:14 http://talk.maemo.org/image.php?u=24189&dateline=1266774358&type=profile Feb 21 20:00:41 timeless_mbp: I remember discussion with someone @nokia long time ago about Polish translation for Diablo. answer was 'we do not accept l10n from users. we have professionals for l10n' blablalblabla-get-off-sucker-blablabla Feb 21 20:00:52 * timeless_mbp rotfl Feb 21 20:02:27 do you guys have any real life aquaintences with N900s? Feb 21 20:02:46 the tablets have always felt like a parallel world to me Feb 21 20:02:58 yes, but it's difficult to not have that in the circles i am in Feb 21 20:02:59 P Feb 21 20:04:04 uhm, what does that exactly mean pupnik? Feb 21 20:04:54 i go to linuxtag or maemo summit and fosdem and see tablets. never in germany normally Feb 21 20:05:15 world domination now! Feb 21 20:05:53 kind of like with thinkpads Feb 21 20:06:24 pupnik: ive yet to see any n900 in the "wild" here in .se Feb 21 20:06:53 saw a bunch yesterday at our class reunion ) Feb 21 20:06:57 i try to dress nice and strike poses with it :) Feb 21 20:07:01 pupnik: I've seen one on the train. Well. Guy is a linux nut working for Suse, it turns out :) Feb 21 20:07:12 hehe Feb 21 20:07:28 whilst i was leeching power from the nokia store yesterday in manchester someone bought one (at least i think they did they were looking at them and talking with salesperson, went to counter with person and walked out with bag) Feb 21 20:07:31 all the people there were software engineers thought :) Feb 21 20:07:52 Hmm, a message of "no initfs \o/" when booting an N900's not exactly good. Feb 21 20:08:05 jaffa, you in rd mode Feb 21 20:08:18 nice message though Feb 21 20:08:22 lcuk: Yeah, but I never noticed it before (since we do have an initfs) and the boot was taking longer Feb 21 20:08:30 Fortunately, it seems fine now Feb 21 20:08:49 Post-upgrade panic :) Feb 21 20:09:22 range: same url over wifi vs openvpn/gprs works fine. I think the really slow connection was preventing it from finishing the UI Feb 21 20:10:00 gah, too much good hockeygames tonight, wont have time to sleep :( now rus-cz, then usa-can and tomorrow mornin fin-swe :< Feb 21 20:10:13 isnt 40MB more free space than pr1.1.1 really needs? Feb 21 20:10:28 what time fin-swe begins? Feb 21 20:10:55 frals: if you dont mind downloading them, most hockey games are posted on usenet Feb 21 20:10:59 0600 in .se Feb 21 20:11:06 midas: gotta watch them live ;-) Feb 21 20:11:20 so that's 0700 .fi Feb 21 20:11:28 timoph: yeah Feb 21 20:11:28 I once saw a n900 owner wishfully trying to upgrade his n900 to pr1.1 ... on public street. Feb 21 20:11:31 PyQt or PySide??? Feb 21 20:11:44 javispedro: id do that Feb 21 20:11:55 lbt: Okay, I only tested via Wifi. Feb 21 20:12:12 javispedro: I originally had the thought of upgrading it before going to work :) Feb 21 20:13:00 poor souls :) Feb 21 20:15:48 hi, is there a way on a N900 to monitor what process is sending out packets to the internet over 2G or 3G? Feb 21 20:16:43 netstat ? Feb 21 20:17:31 maybe netstat -ant Feb 21 20:17:53 ah, so Deblet is back Feb 21 20:18:40 pupnik, if a process open, send/receive then close a socket, netstat will miss it right? Feb 21 20:19:00 i think so Feb 21 20:19:14 tcpdump Feb 21 20:19:22 tcpick Feb 21 20:20:39 Any idea on why t.m.o. doesn't support 800x480 image attachments? Feb 21 20:22:09 any idea when n900 will support mms? :P Feb 21 20:22:28 midas: fmms kind of supports it iirc Feb 21 20:23:34 fmms is work in progress, and doing extremely well ! Feb 21 20:24:08 lcuk: hrw thnx :) will install it Feb 21 20:24:43 hrw, feels much better saying something is in progress than a blanket doesnt support it. community collaboration ftw Feb 21 20:24:56 * lcuk smiels @ frals Feb 21 20:25:02 smiles even Feb 21 20:25:42 is it in extra's? Feb 21 20:25:58 * frals smells lcuk Feb 21 20:26:05 not yet midas Feb 21 20:26:08 extras-devel for now ;-) Feb 21 20:26:13 ah okay Feb 21 20:26:34 ill wait for it to be in extra then ;) Feb 21 20:26:35 lcuk: I would like to get opntion to be able to send 1K text message directly from conversations as mms instead of set of sms-es Feb 21 20:26:37 wohoo! THeme maker now has the new cool pr1.2 input method buttons Feb 21 20:27:37 hrw, one step at a time! Feb 21 20:27:39 konttori: last time when I looked at thememaker it required to make big image with all images + template how to cut them. Or I did not understood how it works. Feb 21 20:27:45 w00t konttori Feb 21 20:27:54 lcuk: ? Feb 21 20:27:58 oh.. Feb 21 20:28:02 * w00t_ grumbles Feb 21 20:29:43 konttori: What are the "new cool PR1.2 input method buttons"? ;-) Feb 21 20:31:20 and when pr1.2 for people? :D Feb 21 20:31:26 Jaff means: where are the screenshots of the new cool PR1.2 input method buttons? Feb 21 20:32:44 * hrw -> off Feb 21 20:34:57 i am excited for javispedros sdl hildon input method Feb 21 20:36:28 hrw: that's how it works. Feb 21 20:36:41 pupnik: cool. Where? demo? Feb 21 20:37:05 javis showed a screeny here in chat Feb 21 20:37:54 he are hero :) Feb 21 20:39:28 pupnik, any link? Feb 21 20:51:21 * N900evil may have been playing too much angrybirds Feb 21 20:51:39 N900evil: did you get 3 stars in all? Feb 21 20:51:46 I was outside doing some tidying. Feb 21 20:51:58 and I heard a red bird. Feb 21 20:52:13 konttori, yes, all 63 Feb 21 20:53:02 hi, its me again. I still cant find a solution for the camera promblem Feb 21 20:53:07 so, you have the level pack as well Feb 21 20:53:42 now i repeat my question, hoping anyone could help Feb 21 20:53:57 I have a problem when trying to run the example_camera.c on n900. I could compile the program correctly, but when I tried to run it on device, it showed "Failed to initialize pipeline ". The following is part of the code: #ifdef __arm__ #define VIDEO_SRC "v4l2camsrc" #define VIDEO_SINK "xvimagesink" #else #define VIDEO_SRC "videotestsrc" #define VIDEO_SINK "ximagesink" #endif Feb 21 20:55:00 konttori, yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss Feb 21 20:55:04 hmm Feb 21 20:55:07 hmm Feb 21 20:55:08 stuck Feb 21 20:55:53 konttori, waiting for it to get back to store sp ! can buy Feb 21 20:56:34 I really hope it gets there soon Feb 21 20:58:28 ordering pizza is like one of those little things you can do when holed up in hospital :) Feb 21 21:01:51 You're in hospital? Feb 21 21:02:30 he had a heart attack when his N900's USB port broke Feb 21 21:07:33 is there a remote desktop tool for windows yet? like tsclient? Feb 21 21:07:50 yeah Feb 21 21:07:53 rdesktop Feb 21 21:08:45 konttori, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=539235#post539235 javis's dosbox + input methods Feb 21 21:09:29 jacekowski: is it in extra-devel? Feb 21 21:10:07 hey Feb 21 21:10:17 does modest support moving messages from one folder to another? Feb 21 21:11:11 timeless_mbp: Yes Feb 21 21:11:44 how? Feb 21 21:11:53 i can't figure out how to do it in MfE or POP Feb 21 21:12:23 midas: don't know Feb 21 21:34:44 I wanna save my ( export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" ) setting but when I close the terminal it dissapears so I have to re enter it. Feb 21 21:35:47 .profile ? Feb 21 21:37:07 I just add it there? Feb 21 21:37:19 i dunno - try it Feb 21 21:43:56 thx it worked pupnik Feb 21 22:16:39 * Wizzup likes DOSBOX a lot Feb 21 22:17:54 stupid music player n900 got Feb 21 22:20:29 hi all can anyone tell about the telepathy bug that affects the n900when dealing woth aol Feb 21 22:20:53 im playing a song in my current playlist, adding a new one but its not getting there Feb 21 22:20:56 >_< Feb 21 22:23:13 file a bug in bugzilla Feb 21 22:57:33 Does the n900 ever run at the said 600 Mhz? Feb 21 23:01:38 yes Feb 21 23:01:39 gpe-todo is giving me "database locked" errors when trying to add a new item. where is its databse? Feb 21 23:02:01 look at /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state Feb 21 23:02:06 Wizzup: way too often :P Feb 21 23:02:54 ~10% of the time for me this session Feb 21 23:03:02 yes same here Feb 21 23:03:31 SpeedEvil: I can't make full sense out of the numbers yet Feb 21 23:03:31 well 10% of active time Feb 21 23:03:39 hm Feb 21 23:03:41 I see. Feb 21 23:03:46 that doesnt count sleep state Feb 21 23:03:57 I believe it counts jiffies ? Feb 21 23:04:03 Wizzup: each of those numbers is 1/100th of a second IIRC Feb 21 23:04:20 Yeah, I just saw that after I asked. /me asks too quickly Feb 21 23:04:31 so 600 100000 Feb 21 23:04:43 means it's spent 1000 seconds at 600MHz Feb 21 23:06:58 it seems that when it is connected to usb it only goes to 500MHz Feb 21 23:07:01 not lower Feb 21 23:07:46 this shows that it is 1/100: watch -n 1 cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state Feb 21 23:07:51 yeah gouverneur found some problems with usb yesterday ... it sucks power like no more then Feb 21 23:08:28 gouverneur: details? bugreport? Feb 21 23:10:15 With my device - it's in 250 95% of the time, and 500 5% Feb 21 23:10:24 it's on the floor on charge Feb 21 23:10:30 with the display off Feb 21 23:10:40 usb or or other ? Feb 21 23:10:47 I meant when connected to pc Feb 21 23:11:53 nite all, sweet dreams Feb 21 23:12:27 /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpuidle has info on the various sleep states too (time_in_state is only about when CPU has been active) Feb 21 23:14:59 yeah Feb 21 23:15:08 it'd be lovely to teach htop or whatever about this. Feb 21 23:15:34 powertop knows about the sleep states Feb 21 23:15:37 (the nokia one) Feb 21 23:15:41 yeah Feb 21 23:15:58 Hi, I'm wondering if it is possible to send and receive sms's on a computer by using the n900. I know this is possible with symbian devices and pc suite Feb 21 23:16:21 ShadowJK: on that topic - I wonder what the hell is doing DMA several hundred times a second Feb 21 23:17:00 hmm - maybe the charger monitoring Feb 21 23:17:15 I'd think that's i2c Feb 21 23:17:19 yeah Feb 21 23:17:50 I question if it's really needed to poll the battery at 500hz though Feb 21 23:18:37 Somebody knows how to achieve this sms thing? Feb 21 23:18:47 charging on wall charger has not this problems Feb 21 23:19:02 hmm - 84/s - is slightly more reasonable. Feb 21 23:19:04 djkrikke: possible yes, but i dont know if a app exists for that Feb 21 23:20:35 SpeedEvil, when connected to computer, I wonder if it's controlling the charge in software to keep below 500mA :) Feb 21 23:20:50 not completley implausible Feb 21 23:20:54 lol Feb 21 23:21:12 DMA could be sgx too Feb 21 23:21:28 and I think there are a couple of DMA engines you can use for copying stuff around Feb 21 23:21:38 ARM SoCs tend to have useful things like that Feb 21 23:23:26 hi, anyone feel like testing packages for mutt, newsbeuter? Feb 21 23:24:15 Must say, I quite like Qt Creator Feb 21 23:24:37 i like qt creator as well Feb 21 23:25:03 alterego: I've had a brief play and it was promising. qemu/MADDE/Maemo environment integration will be good Feb 21 23:25:39 ShadowJK: actually - on unplugging - it's not so bad at all. ~34. With most of that being xchat Feb 21 23:25:44 Slightly different to what I'm used to, but I can see myself getting quite accustomed to it. Feb 21 23:26:04 Yeah, can't wait for the VM, MADDE and remote debugging integration :) Feb 21 23:27:59 I think it looks very promising, certainly going to kick the butts of iPhone and Android SDK's IMO Feb 21 23:32:12 android's sdk is pretty decent i believe Feb 21 23:32:30 when using eclipse Feb 21 23:33:12 it uses qemu and you can decide where to output the app. It also has support for faking events like calls. Feb 21 23:33:30 I haven't programmed with it but I've seen it in action. Feb 21 23:36:45 eclipse is sluggish and slow. Qt Creator is really snappy, it fits realy nicely on my desktops resolution too, 1920x1600 Feb 21 23:37:25 Anyhow, bed time for me I think. Feb 21 23:37:39 night Feb 21 23:38:28 already? Feb 21 23:38:46 to alterego. Feb 21 23:38:46 eclipse is sluggish but it doesn't matter that much - the programs is builds are the ones that should be fast Feb 21 23:38:53 * SpeedEvil is not quite going to bed yet. Feb 21 23:39:01 * ptl just woke up Feb 21 23:40:15 I want to like Qt Creator, but the syntax parsing/highlighting and ability to traverse code quickly by f3 is just so much better in eclipse Feb 21 23:42:40 You find differences in syntax highlighting? To me they're pretty much the same. Feb 21 23:43:36 1920x1600 ? Feb 21 23:43:49 you mean 1920x1200 ? Feb 21 23:44:11 * SpeedEvil wonders where the phantom awk in powertop comes from Feb 21 23:44:20 * SpeedEvil stabs widescreen. Feb 21 23:44:51 probably part of parsing powertop output Feb 21 23:44:53 I'd imagine Feb 21 23:45:52 speedevil: desktop command execution widget ? Feb 21 23:45:57 ptl: oh god know, ecplise is much more than just basic syntax highlighting Feb 21 23:46:51 V13: ps|grep awk shows null Feb 21 23:47:03 yes... i'm looking for that too Feb 21 23:47:11 ptl: for example I know if there's syntax faults way before I ever start the compiler. Say you're passing an incompatible parameter into a function that get's highlighted, or when I ask for completions it gives me only variables that have compatible parameters Feb 21 23:47:44 asj eww Feb 21 23:47:54 im a big boy now Feb 21 23:48:00 i know when my code is wrong ;) Feb 21 23:48:12 visual studio is similar in the way it tries to molly coder dev Feb 21 23:48:22 molly codel Feb 21 23:48:35 lcuk: I'm big enough to admit I don't and would rather know silly mistakes now rather than later Feb 21 23:49:59 reasonable enough, but for every keypress you make in the broken area its doing all that work, dont ou cuss at each slow delay Feb 21 23:50:15 plus eclipses refactoring is just light years ahead of qt creators Feb 21 23:51:33 lcuk: 1st: with proper programming there's 0 reason for any of that. 2nd: you think I can type faster than any computer made in the last 15 years? Feb 21 23:52:05 yes, exclipse manages to suck in all the available cpu power from nearby machines Feb 21 23:52:14 hello, i have a quick question, i have an n900 running maemo, i am about to flash it and i was thinking that it's much faster for me to download all the packages i need manually from the repo and then throw them in a directory on the mobile and then use dpkg to install them, the question is does dpkg support * ? like dpkg -i *.deb Feb 21 23:53:22 awk doesn't show anywhere Feb 21 23:53:35 how's that faster? Feb 21 23:53:49 moudmen, not a good idea. Feb 21 23:54:02 V13: maybe a treboot might fix it Feb 21 23:54:04 moudmen, no wlan? Feb 21 23:54:13 app manager refreshes each and every time i install a package, and that takes time Feb 21 23:54:15 moudmen, why is downloading manually faster than just backup/restore cycle? Feb 21 23:54:24 and i can't select many packages to be installed Feb 21 23:54:25 restore opens file manager and downloads the debs Feb 21 23:54:37 lcuk because i want a fresh installation of everything Feb 21 23:54:39 backup/restore gives a list of all installed things Feb 21 23:54:42 SpeedEvil: I've writted a small script that does constant ps and diffs it with the previous one to catch the awk... but I can't see it Feb 21 23:54:45 you can ticky select those you want to restores Feb 21 23:54:51 moudmen thats the whole point of flashing Feb 21 23:54:56 run backup before you reflash Feb 21 23:54:56 V13: me neither Feb 21 23:55:00 then restore Feb 21 23:55:02 taking a backup simply generates a list of apps Feb 21 23:55:04 then flash Feb 21 23:55:06 V13: look in /proc/timer_stats Feb 21 23:55:11 then restore, and the apps get reinstalled from repos Feb 21 23:55:17 V13: it's in there - in that it's not making it up Feb 21 23:55:20 the app manager will recover the list of repos Feb 21 23:55:23 oh, they get redownloaded on their own ? Feb 21 23:55:25 yes Feb 21 23:55:28 and also can give lovely list of apps Feb 21 23:55:29 yes Feb 21 23:55:35 i never tried it, i thought it would only backup the app settings Feb 21 23:55:35 its very good at that Feb 21 23:56:28 you can even attempt to re-re-re download those files at some even later date if you do not get all at once Feb 21 23:56:39 ie because a rpeo was offline or something Feb 21 23:56:42 same ticky list Feb 21 23:56:47 showing whats left to get Feb 21 23:56:48 hmm yea that seems much better, thanks for the hint Feb 21 23:56:53 yup got it Feb 21 23:57:08 but just out of curiosity, dpkg does or does not support the * ? Feb 21 23:57:16 V13: still there after reboot Feb 21 23:57:22 for x in * Feb 21 23:57:25 do Feb 21 23:57:29 whatever $x Feb 21 23:57:30 done Feb 21 23:57:42 simple sh script u mean ? Feb 21 23:57:49 yes Feb 21 23:57:51 moudmen yes it supports it Feb 21 23:57:57 moudmen yes Feb 21 23:57:58 i did dpkg -i liq*.deb the other night Feb 21 23:58:11 okay then, thanks a lot for all the info Feb 21 23:58:15 after i vaped everything Feb 21 23:58:23 thats more of a problem for you tho Feb 21 23:58:27 if you just do *.deb Feb 21 23:58:32 cos dependencies Feb 21 23:58:32 dpkg also fetches from repo ? Feb 21 23:58:38 wont be downloaded Feb 21 23:58:43 use backup/restore Feb 21 23:58:46 oh okay Feb 21 23:58:51 i was thinking about that Feb 21 23:59:03 and then i thought i'd just reinstall everything that failed along with its dependencies Feb 21 23:59:13 who do this ? Feb 21 23:59:18 yeah app manager has seen you coming already ;) Feb 21 23:59:28 perhaps just do it via apt ? Feb 21 23:59:46 i'm all new to debian, my 4th day now Feb 21 23:59:55 thn don't do it Feb 22 00:00:00 trust us :) Feb 22 00:00:05 no dont Feb 22 00:00:11 never trust us :P Feb 22 00:00:14 dont 'trust us' ? Feb 22 00:00:14 hehe Feb 22 00:00:16 read Feb 22 00:00:19 and learn Feb 22 00:00:39 especially about backup/restore :P Feb 22 00:00:43 oh i've been reading, a lot, but i don't think google will show me results about * Feb 22 00:01:07 trust me, you don't want to trust me. Feb 22 00:01:38 you sound a lot like my x gf Feb 22 00:01:45 it's a joke Feb 22 00:01:53 still sounds like her Feb 22 00:02:29 moudmen, http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?dpkg and wildcard * expansion in linux shell is expanded *before* the command is called Feb 22 00:02:49 so you saying "dpkg -i *.deb" is passed the command line "dpkg -i a.deb b.deb c.deb" Feb 22 00:02:59 the expansion is part of the shell itself Feb 22 00:03:19 perhaps she was right :) Feb 22 00:04:09 big thumbs up to the author of sensitive motion tbh, really nifty game Feb 22 00:04:09 does dpkg obtain packages from repos as well or only apt-get does that ? Feb 22 00:04:26 what /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-cpufreq does ? Feb 22 00:04:30 moudmen: dpkg doesn't know anything about repos Feb 22 00:04:36 okay Feb 22 00:06:08 using alcohol on the N900's screen does damage to it? Feb 22 00:06:14 I want to know the beast way to clean it Feb 22 00:06:18 tried it.. not Feb 22 00:06:21 I would not use alcohol on it Feb 22 00:06:27 hmm. 3g gets way more fun after midnight Feb 22 00:06:33 i spoiled different things on screen.. no damage Feb 22 00:06:36 what's wrong with water ? Feb 22 00:06:37 suggest water Feb 22 00:06:57 water doesn't clean fat-based stuff Feb 22 00:07:09 it's glass, it does clean fat-based stuff Feb 22 00:07:14 I just use the same thing I use to clean TFT screens with Feb 22 00:07:14 240KiB/s podcast download. during the day it was dying. Feb 22 00:07:25 moudmen, the screen is not glass Feb 22 00:07:28 i use anything soft Feb 22 00:07:44 well, whatever it is, it's glassy, nothing that absorbs Feb 22 00:07:56 plastic Feb 22 00:08:10 plastic ? really ? Feb 22 00:08:12 yes Feb 22 00:08:14 yes Feb 22 00:08:19 resistive touchscree Feb 22 00:08:20 n Feb 22 00:08:31 i never knew resistive are made of plastic Feb 22 00:08:39 oh Feb 22 00:08:41 right Feb 22 00:08:42 There IS a glass surface, but it's further down Feb 22 00:08:48 now it makes sense Feb 22 00:08:48 yea Feb 22 00:09:23 Even on "regular" nokia phones, the outer surface is a plastic window protecting the real glass surface beneath Feb 22 00:09:37 any hopes about a meboo-capacitive screen phone in the future btw ? Feb 22 00:09:43 anyone heard ? Feb 22 00:09:54 meebo* Feb 22 00:10:01 meego? Feb 22 00:10:22 sorry, too sleepy to think straight Feb 22 00:10:25 * cehteh still hopes for resistive there too, but well .. i have a n900 and will not buy the next one Feb 22 00:10:27 meego yes Feb 22 00:11:06 hopefully give it a year and all phones will be capacitive made from gorilla glass Feb 22 00:11:08 capacitive doesn't allow for styluses Feb 22 00:11:23 not even fingernails Feb 22 00:11:40 i'm just a big fan of multi touch, and i don't think that's gonna be real accurate on resistive Feb 22 00:11:45 and have horrible resolution Feb 22 00:11:50 moudmen: LOL? Feb 22 00:12:07 ha ? Feb 22 00:12:09 moudmen: the one big difference between capacitive and resistive is that resistive is far MORE accurate Feb 22 00:12:10 * ShadowJK wishes for resistive Feb 22 00:12:33 okay but, add multi touch to resistive, and it won't be as accurate Feb 22 00:12:33 and by 'far more' he means 100 times more Feb 22 00:12:35 hi guys Feb 22 00:12:49 pressure points will collide at some point Feb 22 00:13:26 moudmen, interesting assertion Feb 22 00:13:31 btw any trick to emulate a right button click on the n900? Feb 22 00:13:32 ShadowJK, don't we all. Feb 22 00:13:43 Really stupid of Nokia to abandon most of their existing customer base like this. Feb 22 00:13:44 cehteh, in what app? Feb 22 00:13:48 xchat Feb 22 00:13:53 long tap Feb 22 00:13:55 * luke-jr wishes for >4" resistive Feb 22 00:14:01 (hold it) Feb 22 00:14:05 doesnt seem to work Feb 22 00:14:18 cehteh: be careful not to move :P Feb 22 00:14:28 You know Feb 22 00:14:31 my previous mobile phone/phoney thingy was an HTC Athena Feb 22 00:14:33 channel switcher as tree Feb 22 00:14:34 cehteh, die before touching Feb 22 00:14:34 with Windows Mobile 6.1 Feb 22 00:14:37 hehe Feb 22 00:14:41 had a 5" screen Feb 22 00:14:44 ;-p Feb 22 00:14:50 ptl: fit in your pocket? Feb 22 00:14:52 yeah I get no context menu in the tree channel switcher Feb 22 00:15:05 luke-jr: only when I started buying pants with very big pockets Feb 22 00:15:06 on my laptop there is one Feb 22 00:15:16 luke-jr: it also had a magnetic keyboard Feb 22 00:15:18 both xchats are almost identically configured Feb 22 00:15:27 luke-jr: it looked like a micro-laptop Feb 22 00:15:39 magnetic?? Feb 22 00:16:02 luke-jr: I feel much better now with the N900. The screen is much smaller, but the resolution is much better and it is much faster - and I happen to use my mobiles mainly for reading ebooks. Feb 22 00:16:16 luke-jr: yeah, magnetc... it would attach magnetically to the base of the phone Feb 22 00:16:19 moudmen: polyesther it is Feb 22 00:16:21 oh Feb 22 00:16:26 cehteh: no bugreport yet Feb 22 00:16:27 it was a separate piece Feb 22 00:16:31 I see. Feb 22 00:17:07 i just read that, true Feb 22 00:17:14 alrite then, gnite, thanks for the help Feb 22 00:18:14 if anyone has been following my python tutorials, new one is up at http://blog.rburchell.com/2010/02/pyside-tutorial-model-view-programming_22.html Feb 22 00:19:17 gn8 Feb 22 00:19:51 one problem with the N900 doing SO MANY things, is im not interested in most of the discussions on tmo Feb 22 00:20:44 python tutorials? cool Feb 22 00:20:53 just what I needed Feb 22 00:21:03 I was very interested in programming for the N900 Feb 22 00:21:11 ptl: if there's anything you'd like to see covered, drop a comment on there and I'd be glad to look into it at some point Feb 22 00:21:16 but my master graduate course was at the end... Feb 22 00:21:26 w00t_: thanks Feb 22 00:21:29 and I just graduated, this friday Feb 22 00:21:36 grats Feb 22 00:21:36 anyone know what to read in /proc for % battery charge and est. active time? Feb 22 00:21:48 bjv: lshal | grep batt Feb 22 00:24:08 hm, can I sync my google calander with the one in n900? Feb 22 00:24:47 antii: yyes Feb 22 00:24:49 woah, gross. Feb 22 00:25:13 i wonder if advanced-power-monitor isnt just doing battery.voltage.current / battery.voltage.design Feb 22 00:25:24 to get the % battery figure it presents. Feb 22 00:25:24 bjv: lshal |grep batt Feb 22 00:25:50 yeah, battery.charge_level.percentage says 100 Feb 22 00:25:54 hm lag :0 Feb 22 00:25:56 bjv: or hal-devices bme|grep batt Feb 22 00:26:05 same thing Feb 22 00:26:37 bjv: had't have 100% yet Feb 22 00:27:02 asj: cool Feb 22 00:27:40 * luke-jr bets there is no way to see battery level in /proc cuz it's bypassing Linux entirely Feb 22 00:28:18 luke-jr: 2nd that Feb 22 00:28:45 its bme only Feb 22 00:28:51 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Feb 22 00:29:04 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Feb 22 00:29:05 ---------------- Feb 22 00:29:07 O.o Feb 22 00:29:14 how did SpeedEvil do that one? Feb 22 00:29:29 dropped keyboard Feb 22 00:29:32 then picked it up Feb 22 00:29:37 but Feb 22 00:29:42 it was longer than FreeNode's line limit Feb 22 00:29:45 how the hell did you type on luke-jr's keyboard too? Feb 22 00:29:45 <.< Feb 22 00:29:57 :) Feb 22 00:30:01 I'm just that awesome. There are no line limits for me. Feb 22 00:30:09 lcuk: he's over at my house Feb 22 00:30:29 nothing special about that one Feb 22 00:30:37 advanced-power-monitor however displays a percentage Feb 22 00:30:37 which is very close to battery.voltage.current / battery.voltage.design Feb 22 00:30:40 oh wait there are mAh coming out of hal Feb 22 00:30:42 I got a 'unrecognised command -----------' from server box at the same time Feb 22 00:30:51 i bet advanced-power-monitor is using current mAh/spec Feb 22 00:30:55 not voltage Feb 22 00:31:07 that would be more reliable Feb 22 00:31:15 luke-jr, xchat? Feb 22 00:31:47 wow the nurse here is using a modem that i can hear across the hall Feb 22 00:32:10 there's also a percentage coming out of bme Feb 22 00:32:20 pupnik: where are you? :| Feb 22 00:32:30 i havent seen a modem in use in years Feb 22 00:32:32 ShadowJK: ?? Feb 22 00:32:41 neurosurgery clinic Feb 22 00:32:51 luke-jr, xchat splits long messages Feb 22 00:32:57 pupnik's getting Linux installed in his brain Feb 22 00:33:03 haha epic Feb 22 00:33:03 ShadowJK: so does every modern IRC client Feb 22 00:33:24 luke-jr, I am guessing SpeedEvil's client doesn't, and thus just ran into the limit Feb 22 00:33:40 dont you usally have to set up log splitting? Feb 22 00:34:34 ShadowJK: too scared to CTCP VERSION me? Feb 22 00:34:51 it didn't occur to me :) Feb 22 00:34:52 ShadowJK: SpeedEvil isn't using a proper client :D Feb 22 00:35:20 ShadowJK: the IRC rfc has a line limit of around 430 chars Feb 22 00:35:48 asj: FreeNode's is advertised in its MOTD-type data Feb 22 00:36:04 motd data isn't in the rfc ;) Feb 22 00:36:07 Well it's something like 512-src-dst etc Feb 22 00:36:23 there was an IETF draft for the 005 isupport stuff Feb 22 00:36:29 * ptl-nokia testing IRC on the N900... Feb 22 00:36:46 (not like the rfc is relevant much these days, especially since utf8 is pretty normal now, and well it's too damn old) Feb 22 00:36:52 asj: FreeNode doesn't comply with the RFC Feb 22 00:37:12 which is fine since there are unofficial extension standards that it does seem to comply with Feb 22 00:37:27 I just wish they would adopt the modern specs in addition to old IRC Feb 22 00:37:31 asj: utf-8 pretty normal? tell microsoft that it is pretty normal... Feb 22 00:37:33 color test Feb 22 00:38:03 gouverneur: we're talking about irc, I don't think there's an official MS client Feb 22 00:38:08 colors are awesome... Feb 22 00:38:27 luke-jr, rfc1459 + 005 is probably the sanest. that 2xxx something rfc was a one-sided rfc written by one network (IRCNet) to describe their own strange setup, and they aren't even following it themselves anymore.. Feb 22 00:38:39 asj, ms comic chat Feb 22 00:38:41 :D Feb 22 00:38:56 does this channel strip colors? Feb 22 00:39:10 ShadowJK: and that's been dead since 99? Feb 22 00:39:23 asj: Microsoft actually has *two* IRC clients at least Feb 22 00:39:26 ptl: is this text yellow for you? Feb 22 00:39:35 * asj #looks at# ShadowJK or wtf the syntax was Feb 22 00:39:39 http://www.irc.org/tech_docs/draft-brocklesby-irc-isupport-03.txt <- this is what freenode sends in the "motd type data" Feb 22 00:39:43 gouverneur: no. Feb 22 00:40:07 +c channel mode removes colours Feb 22 00:40:16 this chan's +cnt Feb 22 00:40:30 man if only for vowels Feb 22 00:41:24 FreeNode should implement XEP 0045 :D Feb 22 00:42:03 and what's that? Feb 22 00:42:11 "Multi-User Chat" Feb 22 00:42:23 Standards Track, Draft, last updated 2010-01-21 Feb 22 00:43:17 irc for xmpp Feb 22 00:43:30 asj: I dont know how many times I now read this msg about wrong charsets used between clients within hildon-conversation Feb 22 00:43:33 MUC for XMPP ;) Feb 22 00:43:38 IRC is the old standard for MUC Feb 22 00:44:08 * asj pats luke-jr on the head Feb 22 00:44:34 let's just wait for IRC3 Feb 22 00:44:47 it's only been in the protocol-draft stage for 15 years Feb 22 00:44:56 XMPP MUC deprecates IRC Feb 22 00:45:27 does it have something better than spanning tree hierarchy? Feb 22 00:46:00 neither IRC MUC nor XMPP MUC defines server-to-server communications Feb 22 00:46:50 well that sucks then ;) Feb 22 00:47:05 actually, I think IRC does, but nobody uses it Feb 22 00:47:21 the basics are the same Feb 22 00:47:29 sure Feb 22 00:47:31 why does it suck? Feb 22 00:47:32 for all current implementations Feb 22 00:47:46 not defined > defined in a sucky way Feb 22 00:48:06 Well I mean in general IRC is fine as it is, except for netsplits :D Feb 22 00:49:03 the effects of netsplits could be reduce significantly if the servers weren't essentially connected in a spanning tree configuration Feb 22 00:49:18 if they could have redundant links or loops and could handle that Feb 22 00:49:37 gah, tried setting up a sync with google calender but it gave me an error :[ Feb 22 00:51:00 ShadowJK: I propose every server connect to every other server? :P Feb 22 00:53:16 ugh, how can I connect to a hidden ssid (wlan) with the n900? Feb 22 00:53:58 when it asks to scan Feb 22 00:53:59 say no Feb 22 00:54:04 type in the ssid Feb 22 00:54:12 luke-jr, yeah, but that's a "goal" rather than a method ;) Say you have 3 servers, one on Cogent, one on Level3, one on AT&T. Cogent and Level3 get upset at eachother and kill connections to eachother (again, sigh! :P) .. With current IRC, if the C (Cogent) server was connected to A (AT&T) which is connected to L(Level3), nothing happens. If A and C were connected to L, the network splits into 3 pieces, until someone reconfigures (or it automatically reco Feb 22 00:54:13 leave the "network is hidden" default checkbox checked Feb 22 00:54:18 nfigures itself) it to use L or A as "hub" instead.. seen as massive joins/parts in the channels... Feb 22 00:54:23 carry on setting up as normal Feb 22 00:54:32 nid0: ok thx Feb 22 00:54:50 luke-jr, in the case of all servers connected to all servers, you have to define a clever method for how to make one server relay to another that might not be directly reachable, without causing alot of redundant traffic, and without causing messages to go around in loops Feb 22 00:55:25 when everyone knows the easier answer is not accept cogent-connected servers onto your network \o/ Feb 22 00:55:38 there's that :) Feb 22 00:55:52 But fibres break all the time and routers choke... Feb 22 01:12:16 any good terminal font to recommend? Feb 22 01:12:27 Terminus, Monaco Feb 22 01:12:45 I like Droid Sans Mono myself Feb 22 01:13:15 Droid luver Feb 22 01:13:16 Proteous: i installed em but do i have to reboot? Feb 22 01:13:33 antii: if they aren't showing up then I would def try a reboot Feb 22 01:13:41 ok Feb 22 01:13:45 Or you can update the font cache Feb 22 01:13:48 But reboot is easier Feb 22 01:14:07 what command for updating cache? Feb 22 01:14:28 hi whats the difference between, msn-butterfly....pecan and haze? Feb 22 01:15:16 no idea Feb 22 01:15:34 antii, what's wrong with rebooting? Feb 22 01:15:55 people always want to go the hard route Feb 22 01:16:04 think it makes them l337 or something Feb 22 01:16:17 "but my uptime!!!1!!" Feb 22 01:16:26 phone uptime's where it's at clearly Feb 22 01:16:32 yeah... Feb 22 01:16:40 chicks dig uptime Feb 22 01:16:44 everyone knows this Feb 22 01:17:11 lol Feb 22 01:17:26 it's not your mobile 'uptime' that they dig tho Feb 22 01:18:40 Proteous: did reboot and now its working yay Feb 22 01:18:55 no girls for you. Feb 22 01:22:00 Proteous: obviously you're too young to understand that uptime thing :-) That's a old hacker/sysop manerism Feb 22 01:23:10 I know what it is about :) Feb 22 01:23:26 just makin fun Feb 22 01:23:33 awsum to irc from phone Feb 22 01:23:37 yes Feb 22 01:23:37 :)) Feb 22 01:23:46 welcome to the awesome club antii Feb 22 01:23:51 thx Feb 22 01:23:53 heh Feb 22 01:24:00 hehe Feb 22 01:24:09 <3 openssh Feb 22 01:36:32 Maemo should get a inbuilt guru meditation error, like the Amiga used to have Feb 22 01:36:53 if random() { crash } Feb 22 01:36:56 hehe Feb 22 01:37:07 LinuxCode: this the same LC that used to be on linpeople years ago? Feb 22 01:37:20 vjoin #meego Feb 22 01:37:22 no Feb 22 01:37:23 woops Feb 22 01:37:27 toobad Feb 22 01:37:35 asj ;-] Feb 22 01:56:54 what is the apposite channel where I can get help about UI desing? Feb 22 01:57:05 someone told me, but I forgot :\ Feb 22 01:58:29 Andy80, #maemo-ui Feb 22 01:58:39 but ppl arent at work till tomorrow Feb 22 01:59:20 lcuk: isn't a community suported channel? is it driven by nokians? Feb 22 01:59:51 Andy80, bit o both, speaking of which, bedtime for me Feb 22 01:59:59 Lot of the Maemo UI team is in there. Feb 22 02:00:04 Offline now, probably, though. Feb 22 02:00:37 I'll come back tomorrow then :) Feb 22 02:01:12 ugh Feb 22 02:01:33 trying to follow this guide: http://nokiaaddict.com/2010/01/11/n900-how-to-get-last-fm-in-vagalume/ but I dont understand where I can find my MY api key on lastfm? Feb 22 02:03:19 antii: first you need to subscribe to last.fm, then you have to request for your own developer api Feb 22 02:03:59 ah Feb 22 02:05:25 antii: just request your key here http://www.lastfm.it/api/account Feb 22 02:05:48 found it Feb 22 02:16:36 can one download maps for ovi on the N900 ? Feb 22 02:16:47 * LinuxCode has a mate who would like to do that Feb 22 02:18:57 there was a way, yes Feb 22 02:23:57 can't find the link now though Feb 22 02:24:14 ali1234, nvm Feb 22 02:24:16 got it Feb 22 02:24:18 ta Feb 22 02:44:36 http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/21/acta-internet-enforc.html New US Goverment proposal for secret copyright treaty leaked. Feb 22 02:49:52 "This also includes takedown procedures for trademark infringement, as well as the existing procedures against copyright infringement...." Feb 22 02:49:55 welcome to hell Feb 22 02:52:44 <3 Obama Feb 22 02:53:26 It's all about Change, man! Feb 22 02:53:49 it has nothing to do with that man really Feb 22 02:53:50 are you saying you don't respect intellectual property?! Feb 22 02:55:40 just watched a TV report of '96, about CIA fighting and killing black panther and indigene initiatives. Wondered what's Obana's statement to this, and to the people still in jail for nothing Feb 22 02:59:56 it's the country of unlimited possibilities, no? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 22 02:59:58 2010