**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 22 02:59:58 2010 Feb 22 03:00:35 CutMeOwnThroat: hehe, exactly my voiceless comment when I seen that Feb 22 03:01:20 ops, guess that was a germanism - english term would be "land of opportunities", I guess Feb 22 03:01:32 these are just some crokked assholes hiding in a resort drafting pieces of paper. they are not all powerful Feb 22 03:02:26 the GVMNT? Feb 22 03:02:36 a few people Feb 22 03:02:44 get it? Feb 22 03:03:28 people stop that kind of foolishness all the time Feb 22 03:05:07 sorry, too subtle for me. No native speaker here Feb 22 03:12:54 ))) The next meeting of ACTA negotiators will take place in New Zealand in April. ((( Feb 22 03:15:38 am I supposed to know ACTA? Or is this a US-only topic with less relevance to anybody outside US? Feb 22 03:16:14 DocScrutinizer, you should. Feb 22 03:16:17 aah, spotted ACTA in the URL Feb 22 03:16:20 DocScrutinizer, because it's set to fuck over everybody. Feb 22 03:17:37 * DocScrutinizer (c) hates to even deal with info about that shit Feb 22 03:18:46 we can stop that crap. do you think isps want to become policemen? Feb 22 03:19:11 how? Feb 22 03:19:48 where does omweather store its config? Feb 22 03:19:54 europe isp are obliged to spend mio. for playing policemen right now Feb 22 03:20:11 as are telcos Feb 22 03:21:42 draw the consequences for peopkle Feb 22 03:22:08 what happens if you take holiday snaps and someones logo is in your pic? Feb 22 03:23:07 what, a website caling me an asshole? Despite that's maybe correct, I'm not going to kick the author down the main boulevard. No, I sue ISPs for giving people access to that website - that's INSANE Feb 22 03:24:37 http://wd.sharethis.com/share3x/lightbox.3aeb20f924d90e0b4e6668c1edee0e30.html#init/publisher=5d686cfa-78b6-4416-aa6d-f513f23740a2/type=website/hash_flag=false/sessionID=1266808166395.76051/fpc=6f69f6a-126f3a697fc-10f31a96-1/pUrl=http%253A%252F%252Fcomputerworld.co.nz%252Fnews.nsf%252Fnews%252Fleaked-acta-draft-treaty-reveals-plans-for-internet-clampdown Feb 22 03:24:43 sorry Feb 22 03:28:20 forgot where you've been 2009-08-17 20:33 ? Ask your GSM carrier, he'll know. Though probably only "discloses" via a special crypted interface for law enforment which is obaque even to the carrier's sysop Feb 22 03:28:57 screenshot app for maemo? Feb 22 03:29:42 yes Feb 22 03:30:57 antii, ctlr-shift-p Feb 22 03:31:14 shit, good command :) Feb 22 03:33:49 load applet (cpu & mem usage, screenshots, record screencasts) Feb 22 03:35:12 HAM -> search -> "screenshot"; 'name and description' Feb 22 04:03:27 http://www.fandanta.org/mike/junk.jpg Feb 22 04:04:15 :): Feb 22 04:04:20 no n900 on it ;) Feb 22 04:04:29 had to use it to take the picture :P Feb 22 04:04:32 :D Feb 22 04:04:52 tried to take one with a diff phone camera but it's camera sucks hardcore Feb 22 04:05:37 heh Feb 22 04:11:35 is maemo provide any api for read/write data in the sim card with the option to only allow my application to do that? or, is it possible to use the SD card to do this, since it means Secure Digital? Feb 22 04:11:52 no Feb 22 04:20:20 no AT+CSIM ? Feb 22 04:22:04 though I seem to miss the point of leandroal's question Feb 22 04:22:59 he basically wants some evil drm Feb 22 04:23:21 eeeek, the nausea strikes again Feb 22 04:27:07 we got cryptofs, IMEI, device ser#. Dunno what more you'd need to make your whet dreams come true, except if you Pinky or Brain Feb 22 04:40:34 DocScrutinizer, how the cryptofs works? Feb 22 04:41:29 leandroal: basically you have a "drive" which needs a password to mount. Otherwise you can't access Feb 22 04:42:56 DocScrutinizer, hum... the problem is that where to store this password, knowing that I want only my application to have access to the filesystem Feb 22 04:43:39 that's impossible. You need to keep the password outside of the system (in your brain, e.g.) Feb 22 04:44:55 DocScrutinizer, this is the point, what I want is something that only my application can read/write, even the user can read or write there, what means, (s)he must also don't know the password. Feb 22 04:45:26 ... in this case, the password should be stored in the application space, what is secure hard to implement Feb 22 04:45:49 leandroal: go away! I won't support such crap (and N900 luckily also doesn't support) Feb 22 04:45:51 but thank you for the tip anyway, I will consider a combination of them... Feb 22 04:46:34 leandroal: why are you trying to do that? Feb 22 04:48:16 DocScrutinizer, I don't know the reason to react like you did, better to find a doctor, it seems you're depressive... Feb 22 04:48:45 microlith, it is for a particular project and I can't talk about. Feb 22 04:48:49 leandroal: because your idea sounds like DRM, where your application is trying to keep data secret from the user, while storing the password on the device Feb 22 04:49:00 no, I'm upset about DRM wankers trying to "unroot" user on their own devices Feb 22 04:50:34 and I'm absolutely sure this is a healty notion and doesn't require any medical traetment Feb 22 04:52:10 leandroal: in other words, you want to lock the owner of the device out from their own property Feb 22 04:52:24 leandroal: DocScrutinizer's reaction was quite justified Feb 22 04:52:39 it's HIS computer, it had better do what he tells it to Feb 22 04:53:18 doh Feb 22 04:53:27 that said, it's possible to do it, but I won't help you either and I hope you never figure it out Feb 22 04:53:37 you do realize he probably never got any of your messages Feb 22 04:53:49 heh Feb 22 04:53:58 It may be a commercial deployment Feb 22 04:54:04 In which case locking the user out is acceptable. Feb 22 04:54:14 ~nuke DRM Feb 22 04:54:16 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at DRM ... B☢☢M! Feb 22 04:54:32 GeneralAntilles: then they just take the user out of sudo :p Feb 22 04:55:11 nothing like copying photos from my old phone, over usb... 1GB of data at 320KB/s Feb 22 04:55:30 :) Feb 22 04:56:00 note: i own and use N900 ever since it got released Feb 22 04:56:09 i got a n900 yesterda Feb 22 04:56:09 y Feb 22 04:56:23 only thing i find bad about it is the apps, to small sortiment :/ Feb 22 04:56:41 Oooh, BootScreen Feb 22 04:56:43 Nice Feb 22 04:56:44 ??? Feb 22 04:56:57 i don't miss anything, except from maybe some games Feb 22 04:57:10 had a android before Feb 22 04:57:13 much more apps Feb 22 04:57:19 but for those, i can use GB/GBA emulators Feb 22 04:57:55 * DocScrutinizer thinks antii is missing a few repositories Feb 22 04:58:16 maybe even -extras ? Feb 22 04:58:29 ? Feb 22 04:58:32 how do i check Feb 22 04:58:45 antii: turn on the repo extras, extra-testing and extras-devel for some pant wetting times Feb 22 04:59:00 antii: App Manager->menu->repo Feb 22 04:59:03 extras-devel might not be such a great idea Feb 22 04:59:06 app manager -> catalogues -> maemo-extras -> uncheck_disable Feb 22 04:59:25 arachnist: that's what I mean, when you find out the deb is messed and up and cant't be removed Feb 22 04:59:34 i got Feb 22 04:59:41 extras and testing Feb 22 05:01:43 should I add devel? Feb 22 05:01:48 antii, no. Feb 22 05:01:49 nope Feb 22 05:01:53 k Feb 22 05:02:03 DocScrutinizer, Extras ships enabled from PR1.1 onward. Feb 22 05:02:09 antii, also see the Ovi Store Feb 22 05:02:11 oooh Feb 22 05:02:15 antii, which is only accessible through the browser. Feb 22 05:02:22 DocScrutinizer, pay better attention. :P Feb 22 05:02:22 ok Feb 22 05:02:38 btw, is it just me, or is omweather updated every other day? Feb 22 05:02:47 any good apps tips? Feb 22 05:02:55 it almoast seems like it comes pre-packaged with forecasts ;) Feb 22 05:02:59 antii, what sort of apps? Feb 22 05:03:03 are you a new user? Feb 22 05:03:03 lol Feb 22 05:03:06 jaem: all sort of good ones :P Feb 22 05:03:08 jaem: jup Feb 22 05:03:10 arachnist: lol Feb 22 05:03:40 are there a twitter app? Feb 22 05:03:42 antii: omweather is a nice weather forecast widget Feb 22 05:03:46 arachnist: yeah, some apps seen updates twice a day lately Feb 22 05:03:48 arachnist: i got that one Feb 22 05:03:58 and as for twitter, i've seen quite a few Feb 22 05:04:26 antii, Catorise (better app menu), ATI85 (TI graphing calc emulator)... Feb 22 05:04:56 Jamaendo is nice for streaming creative-commons music, but I'm not sure if it's stable yet Feb 22 05:05:05 kk Feb 22 05:05:09 will check it out Feb 22 05:05:15 what about last.fm scrobbler? Feb 22 05:05:46 antii, I think there is one, but I can't remember Feb 22 05:05:52 ok Feb 22 05:06:16 antii: keep track of 'df -h /' free space in root. You may bork your system by filling up too much. 10MB minimum Feb 22 05:06:37 DocScrutinizer: ok Feb 22 05:06:40 DocScrutinizer is referring to a terminal command, FYI Feb 22 05:06:41 wtf? :P Feb 22 05:06:55 how much space does / have? 1GB? Feb 22 05:06:57 as in, go to the terminal app, and type that without quotes Feb 22 05:07:09 240MB Feb 22 05:07:09 it's complicated - check the wiki Feb 22 05:07:13 but yes Feb 22 05:07:21 kk Feb 22 05:08:32 jaem: catorise was nice. Feb 22 05:09:27 DocScrutinizer: I got 160MB used Feb 22 05:09:34 DocScrutinizer: whats filling that one? Feb 22 05:09:54 /libs, /var, /usr Feb 22 05:12:44 du -x|sort -n Feb 22 05:12:48 err Feb 22 05:12:54 du -x / |sort -n Feb 22 05:15:10 160megs in / is nothing Feb 22 05:15:20 ok Feb 22 05:15:23 yoh, I'd be happy Feb 22 05:15:38 why u got more? Feb 22 05:15:38 :P Feb 22 05:16:03 installed apps Feb 22 05:16:25 even cmdline pkgs Feb 22 05:16:30 :-) Feb 22 05:16:33 bash Feb 22 05:16:33 :-) Feb 22 05:17:14 http://xkcd.com/705/ <| lol Feb 22 05:17:56 DocScrutinizer: like ssh from phone <3 Feb 22 05:18:03 from? Feb 22 05:18:12 ssh *to* the phone Feb 22 05:18:17 ssh from phone Feb 22 05:18:20 now that's awesome Feb 22 05:18:30 that too :-) Feb 22 05:18:34 arachnist, yes indeed :) Feb 22 05:18:53 as I've pointed out here before, it would be fun to log in to a lost phone and yell at people with espeak Feb 22 05:19:02 haha Feb 22 05:19:03 or a stolen phone Feb 22 05:19:05 does that work? Feb 22 05:19:19 sheepbat, that too. A guy at my uni is working on a system like that for his bike Feb 22 05:19:28 jaem: i often just log-in onto my n900 and play some music using mplayer when i can't find it Feb 22 05:19:38 except with speakers that are a lot more powerful Feb 22 05:19:45 arachnist, yes, and it's a good thing they include alsamixer Feb 22 05:20:15 how do you keep track of the phone's IP? Feb 22 05:20:43 sheepbat: i added it to my dhcpd's config and gave it a static ip Feb 22 05:20:58 sheepbat, you'd either need a static IP (apparently a few carriers allow that), or a dynamic-DNS client Feb 22 05:21:07 ahhh.. yes Feb 22 05:21:19 you know a good DDNS client? Feb 22 05:21:23 arachnist, http://xkcd.com/530/ ? :D Feb 22 05:21:36 or a cronjob pinging your home box every 5 min Feb 22 05:21:49 jaem: kinda ;> Feb 22 05:21:53 sheepbat, I use no-ip, and they have a basic script that does it - I believe it's linked to from their website Feb 22 05:21:56 let me see if I can find it Feb 22 05:22:06 I'm not sure if it would work with the N900 without modification, though Feb 22 05:22:58 here's the package from Debian: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=noip2&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all Feb 22 05:23:15 most GPRS providers use a NAT though. No access from outside to services on the phone Feb 22 05:23:26 I was thinking that... Feb 22 05:23:40 you can always set-up openvpn Feb 22 05:23:46 yep Feb 22 05:23:57 though that one drains battery quite a lot Feb 22 05:24:55 hmm Feb 22 05:25:05 that's the problem. better way is to send a magic-word SMS to make the phone associate to your server Feb 22 05:25:35 how complicated is it to submit and maintain packages through the autobuilder? (I can look up how - I'm just wondering about the complexity) Feb 22 05:26:39 one of the guys on my research team is close to a stable version of this (http://sourceforge.net/projects/vnsupport/ ). It's fairly obscure, so I'm not sure it warrants being in the repos for the near future, though Feb 22 05:26:52 You can set the ping interval in openvpn's config, so that it doesn't wake up radio and cpu too often. Feb 22 05:27:10 ...seeing as we aren't publicly releasing anything else any time soon Feb 22 05:27:40 it's a communication library for this: http://www.vectornav.com/ Feb 22 05:27:50 quite a cool little product Feb 22 05:28:08 Feb 22 05:28:15 a really high quality accelerometer? Feb 22 05:28:30 sheepbat, 3-axis accelerometer, gyro, and magnetometer Feb 22 05:28:39 with an on-board controller for all sorts of fun Feb 22 05:28:55 ahhh.. okay Feb 22 05:28:58 we're using it over Bluetooth with an N900 Feb 22 05:29:05 that's one way to get a compass in an N900 Feb 22 05:29:15 sheepbat, for $500, yes :D Feb 22 05:29:37 it's complete overkill for most applications of an in-phone compass, though Feb 22 05:29:43 I bet Feb 22 05:30:05 we need something good for what we're doing, though, and the compass is just one part of it Feb 22 05:30:15 Mm Feb 22 05:30:44 *sigh*... I forgot that I did a factory-reset on the dev board, though, and the config UI only works on Windows Feb 22 05:31:28 gah, how does vagalume work? :( cant get it to scrobble Feb 22 05:35:08 ~logs Feb 22 05:35:09 All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Feb 22 05:36:38 GeneralAntilles: we got livelog too? Feb 22 05:37:02 DocScrutinizer, topic. Updated every 5 minutes. Feb 22 05:37:12 lol Feb 22 05:37:41 aah, nonlol Feb 22 05:37:47 * DocScrutinizer blind Feb 22 05:40:14 hmm, no timestamps :-S Feb 22 05:40:30 luke-jr: that's been special treatment to tell "it can be done, but I hope you'll not figure how' X-P Feb 22 05:41:13 !logs Feb 22 05:41:17 DocScrutinizer, timestamped here. . . . Feb 22 05:41:26 http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/ Feb 22 05:43:53 gah, missed the far scroll Feb 22 05:44:33 whats meego Feb 22 05:44:37 weird format Feb 22 05:44:48 moblin-maemo-merger Feb 22 05:44:49 antii, try going to MeeGo.com Feb 22 05:45:03 also, #meego Feb 22 05:45:13 hm Feb 22 05:45:16 new stuff Feb 22 05:45:17 ? Feb 22 05:45:24 it was just announced a week ago Feb 22 05:45:26 it's recent, yes. Feb 22 05:45:27 oh Feb 22 05:45:30 new firmware? Feb 22 05:45:36 not even there yet Feb 22 05:45:41 aha Feb 22 05:45:49 we literally knew nothing about it until last monday Feb 22 05:45:52 the idea is essentially to merge the two into a new distribution, which can target a wider selection of devices Feb 22 05:46:01 it's also a lot more open, at least in terms of the base system Feb 22 05:46:12 jaem: alright Feb 22 05:46:18 that's to proove yet Feb 22 05:46:21 I have no doubt some vendors will put lousy proprietary UI layers on top Feb 22 05:46:25 DocScrutinizer, well, from what I've seen Feb 22 05:46:28 it was a bit of a gut punch initially to this community Feb 22 05:46:36 and the real effects of this are yet to be seen Feb 22 05:47:01 DocScrutinizer, well, the working space is now out in the open. Feb 22 05:47:10 Which improves the openness by default. Feb 22 05:47:11 DocScrutinizer, and when I talked to Imad (top Intel guy on the project) on IRC, he seemed to confirm what I thought Feb 22 05:47:55 GeneralAntilles, yes, and I hear they've managed to (currently, at least) have all-free drivers (at the kernel level, anyhow)? Feb 22 05:48:08 jaem, on N900 that's the case, too. Feb 22 05:48:15 well, I'm still not convinced mce will be open or replaced by something better Feb 22 05:48:23 GeneralAntilles, Oh? I thought there was still one or two Feb 22 05:48:25 for instance Feb 22 05:48:26 DocScrutinizer, I'm sure it wont be. Feb 22 05:48:28 guess I was wrong Feb 22 05:48:31 DocScrutinizer, however ICD will. Feb 22 05:48:38 GeneralAntilles, well, that's a relief Feb 22 05:48:42 is it being opened, or replaced? Feb 22 05:48:50 Replaced by conman Feb 22 05:48:54 Which hopefully wont suck Feb 22 05:48:56 ah, right Feb 22 05:49:00 I've never tried it Feb 22 05:49:09 that's what Moblin used, right? Feb 22 05:49:36 GeneralAntilles: pry to god, may be it helps Feb 22 05:49:53 what's conman and icd? Feb 22 05:50:00 DocScrutinizer? Feb 22 05:50:02 ptl, network connection daemons Feb 22 05:50:03 ptl, connection managers. Feb 22 05:50:15 luke-jr: the DRM guy Feb 22 05:50:28 DocScrutinizer: yeah, but I don't get what you were saying... Feb 22 05:50:32 ok... Feb 22 05:51:10 luke-jr: obviously without fritzchip aka TPM his plans are not feasible Feb 22 05:51:29 luke-jr: so it's cute to tell him "it *can* be done..." Feb 22 05:51:35 DocScrutinizer: obviously (or not so obviously?) anything can be put in a SD card :x Feb 22 05:51:36 DocScrutinizer, dunno, I'm always optimistic about this stuff and often punished for me Feb 22 05:51:37 DocScrutinizer, what's this about? Feb 22 05:51:43 However the trend has been positive the last 5 years Feb 22 05:51:46 Hopefully it continues. Feb 22 05:52:10 DocScrutinizer: not to mention devices such as the N900 are designed to be online 24/7... Feb 22 05:52:37 luke-jr: yep Feb 22 05:52:54 online licence manager Feb 22 05:53:49 DocScrutinizer: theoretically, one could put a CPU inside a SD card, and run the app over remote-X Feb 22 05:53:51 GeneralAntilles: well the very recent version seems to suck less, agree Feb 22 05:54:06 or inside the sim chip, luke-jr Feb 22 05:54:54 grr, I *really* feel nausea each time I talk bout DRM Feb 22 05:55:33 sadly at this time in the market I'm not sure how many carriers would pick up a truely open phone Feb 22 05:55:41 that is a very healthy attitude, DocScrutinizer Feb 22 05:56:35 sheepbat: if they can control the SIM chip Feb 22 05:56:53 they're working on sticking a whole android machine inside the sim chip Feb 22 05:57:18 luke-jr: SAT, AT+CSIM Feb 22 05:57:22 http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sk-telecom-shoves-android-onto-a-sim-we-check-it-out/ Feb 22 05:58:00 DocScrutinizer: bwut?? Feb 22 05:58:01 waaaah, Feb 22 05:58:08 O_o Woahz Feb 22 05:58:13 heh, I was going to say a SIM is very big...uSIM isn't so bad ;) Feb 22 05:58:13 * DocScrutinizer runs bathroom, vomiting Feb 22 05:58:47 that's kind of neat in terms of tech, but I can see plenty of nastiness coming from that sort of thing Feb 22 05:58:53 luke-jr: Sim Application Toolkit Feb 22 06:02:40 asj: (pick up truely open) at this time N900 is as open as it gets, and still I heard some carriers sell it Feb 22 06:03:04 really? Feb 22 06:03:09 DocScrutinizer: oddly enough though tmo in the US isn't selling it, makes me wonder eh? Feb 22 06:03:15 wait... yeah, I think I've seen a couple european carriers have it Feb 22 06:03:29 TMO's 3G network in US is pathetic Feb 22 06:03:36 N900 is as open as it gets *while still working* :p Feb 22 06:03:46 lucent: specifically, hhow so? Feb 22 06:03:49 there's still OpenMoko! Feb 22 06:03:50 luke-jr: ack :-P Feb 22 06:03:57 it's *really* small, ds3 Feb 22 06:03:59 ds3: coverage is very sparse Feb 22 06:04:01 at least compared to the others Feb 22 06:04:01 I'm picking on TMO simply because the N900 has TMO frequency support which is only used 1 place in tyhe world Feb 22 06:04:02 it's slow Feb 22 06:04:06 only some major cities Feb 22 06:04:13 lucent: is right, truely aweful Feb 22 06:04:22 luke-jr: jet for the carrier ther's zero diff tween N900 and FR Feb 22 06:04:22 it's going to be used in canada as well though Feb 22 06:04:24 what is the 3G footprintcomparedto the 2.5G/EDGE footprint? Feb 22 06:04:33 Tmobile's US coverage is 2 years timeline behind all other carriers Feb 22 06:04:35 sheepbat: "major" aka > 5 million people Feb 22 06:04:35 luke-jr, that's true. If it came to it, I might a mostly-open phone with good support and hardware over a completely open one that flopped Feb 22 06:04:35 openmoko...HE HE HE HE Feb 22 06:04:38 yet Feb 22 06:04:49 DocScrutinizer: I suppose. Feb 22 06:04:51 I use Tmobile because it's cheaper and I have some coverage where I usually work and play Feb 22 06:04:52 but I hope Nokia can keep on in the direction they're going Feb 22 06:04:56 TMO's coverage is better then ATT's fromwhat I am seeing Feb 22 06:04:56 http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/pcc.aspx?WT.z_unav=mst_global_cvg Feb 22 06:04:58 have a look Feb 22 06:05:13 not what is claimed... I am interested in what is observed Feb 22 06:05:14 how do I know which devices the ecoach heart rate monitor supports? Feb 22 06:05:19 ds3: not even close if you look at 3g, the 2g coverage varies by location in the country Feb 22 06:05:27 ds3: naw, you have to pick 3G and you will see only the heart of major US cities have any coverage with Tmobile Feb 22 06:05:27 I am trying to google for it but couldn't find it Feb 22 06:05:30 ptl, not many, but it should be listed on the project page Feb 22 06:05:32 asj: what are you calling 2G? Feb 22 06:05:37 or possibly on the Downloads page for eCoach Feb 22 06:05:37 EDGE Feb 22 06:05:38 ds3: GSM Feb 22 06:05:40 "EDGE" Feb 22 06:05:45 I know I've found it, but I've never used the app Feb 22 06:05:46 vs UMTS/HSDPA Feb 22 06:05:57 we seem to have some confusion here Feb 22 06:06:07 Tmobile's agreements mean that you get data coverage even when Tmobile doesn't cover the area, but it's only EDGE roaming Feb 22 06:06:11 some folks are calling GSM 2G and others are calling EGPRS/EDGE 2.5G Feb 22 06:06:20 oh Feb 22 06:06:24 only the phone does that Feb 22 06:06:36 we're all pretty much agreed that EDGE is best described as 2G Feb 22 06:06:42 jaem: jaem do you know the project page? I can't find it either Feb 22 06:06:53 oh Feb 22 06:06:53 ds3: I don't think any of us are confused :) Feb 22 06:06:53 ptl, give me a sec, but I'm kind of busy Feb 22 06:06:54 found it Feb 22 06:06:56 :) Feb 22 06:06:57 ds3: truthfully I don't know the difference, I have EDGE "2.5G" at my apartment, and when I'm roaming out and about it's much much slower (GSM?) Feb 22 06:07:01 2.5G avoids the confusion Feb 22 06:07:02 luke-jr: in a few months that will change though. When I release a uSD GSM FW update image to make calypso use FOSS baseband Feb 22 06:07:16 DocScrutinizer: say what? Feb 22 06:07:27 lucent: interseting... I found EDGE to be a verynoticeable difference compared to GPRS Feb 22 06:07:36 lucent: heh, come over here and try true GSM/GPRS if you want slow. Edge is a nice step up at about 4 times the speed Feb 22 06:07:39 you intentionally using terminology I don't know?? :p Feb 22 06:07:53 sheepbat: I disagree. I feel EDGE is best described as 2.17984G Feb 22 06:07:54 luke-jr: http://lists.osmocom.org/pipermail/osmocom-announce/2010-February/000000.html Feb 22 06:08:09 oh, you're w/ OpenMoko Feb 22 06:08:17 I think I knew that <.< Feb 22 06:08:26 lucent: but 3G/UMTS/HPSPA recduces lantency under 300ms and the increased BW doesn't hurt Feb 22 06:08:51 judging from people's view that EDGE is not that fast means I should be pretty happy with the 3G situation then Feb 22 06:09:29 ? Feb 22 06:09:54 DocScrutinizer: what about FCC regulations? Feb 22 06:09:57 the biggest advantage to 3g for me is the ability to make sip calls Feb 22 06:10:09 luke-jr: I guess *then* carriers will definitely see diffs between N900 and FR ;-) Feb 22 06:10:11 and no annoying GSM noise Feb 22 06:10:28 sheepbat: zit zit zit zit, what? Feb 22 06:10:33 DocScrutinizer: any idea when/if FR prices will be updated to the current market prices? :P Feb 22 06:10:49 as in, "a N year old phone shouldn't cost as much as it did N years ago" Feb 22 06:10:50 luke-jr: using this FOSS fw for baseband clearly is a crime :-P Feb 22 06:11:01 crime?? Feb 22 06:11:19 DocScrutinizer, I'd imagine some would claim so, but I'm all for it Feb 22 06:11:32 is this something the OM people have written? Feb 22 06:11:57 luke-jr: nota bene OM doesn't sell or support osmocom and the products they may publish Feb 22 06:12:00 that post says Motorola phones... not FR? O.o Feb 22 06:12:32 future plans Feb 22 06:12:53 believe me, first platform they'll tackle is FR Feb 22 06:13:07 DocScrutinizer: could this project be used w/ one of the Moto phones to turn it into a dumb bridge over BT to N8x0? :p Feb 22 06:13:22 dunno Feb 22 06:14:04 that's all about BP, not AP Feb 22 06:14:17 BT is AP domain Feb 22 06:14:52 if those Moto phones have any Application Processor at all Feb 22 06:15:40 I'm guessing they don't Feb 22 06:15:42 :p Feb 22 06:20:50 well, then all you need is a BT driver implemented into that RTOS, and a few gluescripts or something similar Feb 22 06:28:03 luke-jr: (market prices) seems those few FR out there are earning collector's item status. Nevertheless on ebay every now and then you can find a cheaper one Feb 22 06:28:17 heh Feb 22 06:29:52 If eventually I make up my mind to clean my shelf, I'll drop you a notice :-D Feb 22 06:30:16 does anyone remember what is the actual meta package name for "Maemo 5" package Feb 22 06:30:23 fr somthing I think Feb 22 06:32:01 goodwill, I was actually wondering that - poke me if you figure out, please *goes back to work* Feb 22 06:32:44 its been figured out by ruskie I think Feb 22 06:32:50 I just can not recall what it is Feb 22 06:33:12 appmanager says "Maemo 5, Version: 3.2010.02-8" Feb 22 06:33:23 ruskie: ping ... do you know the actual name of the "Maemo 5" meta package Feb 22 06:33:25 fremantle-generic-mp or something Feb 22 06:33:31 right Feb 22 06:33:35 generic mp and fremantle are sure Feb 22 06:33:36 :) Feb 22 06:33:47 I think it's one more and possibly not in the same order Feb 22 06:33:49 mp-fremantle-generic-pr Feb 22 06:33:55 yup Feb 22 06:38:02 mp-fremantle-002-pr Feb 22 06:38:06 thats it Feb 22 06:39:17 * timeless_mbp ponders Feb 22 06:41:02 is mp-fremantle-002-pr installed on anyones n900 Feb 22 06:41:13 most people don't have 002 Feb 22 06:41:13 mine is not and its say it has unmet dependencies Feb 22 06:41:19 The following packages have unmet dependencies: Feb 22 06:41:19 mp-fremantle-002-pr: Depends: hildon-initscripts (= 1.26-1+0m5) but 1.26-1+dp1 is to be installed Feb 22 06:41:30 interesting Feb 22 06:42:19 and really, you don't want anything that isn't mp-fremantle-generic-pr Feb 22 06:42:31 the alternative is that you get to wait longer for the same updates Feb 22 06:42:43 I do not have mp-fremantle-generic-pr Feb 22 06:42:54 you should create a backup, download the latest generic flashable imagine Feb 22 06:42:57 and reflash w/ it Feb 22 06:43:02 then restore your backup Feb 22 06:43:02 odd Feb 22 06:43:14 I always just followed standard installed procedures Feb 22 06:43:26 yeah, the device you bought came "special" Feb 22 06:43:34 odd Feb 22 06:43:38 it works, just not as fast Feb 22 06:43:40 what is 002? Feb 22 06:43:55 timeless_mbp, Akamai determines update availability. Feb 22 06:44:30 goodwill: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6878#c2 Feb 22 06:44:32 Bug 6878: UK Country variant of firmware not available for download Feb 22 06:44:39 002 is apparently USA Feb 22 06:44:41 *blinks* Feb 22 06:44:50 I am in USA Feb 22 06:45:16 002/003 are probably released at roughly the same time as generic Feb 22 06:45:38 203 for whatever reason seems to be released about a month later Feb 22 06:46:00 goodwill: anyway, most testing is done on generic Feb 22 06:46:29 and afaik there is absolutely no benefit in using something other than generic Feb 22 06:46:36 * goodwill wonders why by default my n900 has 002 Feb 22 06:46:40 it certainly isn't illegal to use generic and fly to these other countries Feb 22 06:47:06 goodwill: presumably your box came w/ a US charger Feb 22 06:47:10 yes Feb 22 06:47:14 similarly the box for the UK came w/ a UK charger Feb 22 06:47:34 thus at the factory they flashed w/ the US / UK variants respectively Feb 22 06:47:45 from the factory side, it makes perfect sense Feb 22 06:48:07 from a support(ed) side, the story isn't as good :) Feb 22 06:48:20 What is the difference anyway? Feb 22 06:48:33 why even have anything but generic Feb 22 06:48:39 goodwill: anyway Feb 22 06:48:39 what is the difference? Feb 22 06:48:46 no clue Feb 22 06:48:57 it sounds like you have a repository you shouldn't have enabled, enabled Feb 22 06:49:10 i'd suggest you disable everything except the product repository Feb 22 06:49:19 has nothing but the maemo.org enabled and firefox repo Feb 22 06:49:32 Ugh, Firefox Feb 22 06:49:37 ther stable maemo.org Feb 22 06:49:42 Ovi Store is such a cop-out. Feb 22 06:50:24 dp1 is available from the tools repository Feb 22 06:50:39 it does not appear to be in the product repository Feb 22 06:50:48 ah yeas Feb 22 06:50:52 Feb 22 06:50:54 thats it Feb 22 06:50:58 * timeless_mbp loves it when people lie Feb 22 06:50:59 Heya, General Feb 22 06:51:10 Morning, RST38h. Feb 22 06:51:13 How are things in the mae^H^H^H^Hmeegoland? Feb 22 06:51:15 thanks for playing, next time, please don't lie to your doctor :) Feb 22 06:51:15 * goodwill did not lie ... just did not scroll far enough Feb 22 06:51:27 forgot about the tools one Feb 22 06:51:40 and did not see it on the list immediately Feb 22 06:51:42 goodwill: fwiw "apt-cache policy ..." is how you check Feb 22 06:51:45 RST38h, I think the infection has reached my brain. http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4374755051/ Feb 22 06:52:21 OMG no way Feb 22 06:52:33 GeneralAntilles too much time? Feb 22 06:52:56 It is missing the Intel logo though. Feb 22 06:52:59 tekojo, just over an hour. Feb 22 06:53:04 RST38h, by the rear brake duct. Feb 22 06:53:15 Oh, yes, so tiny... Feb 22 06:53:54 About 20 minutes for the Linux Foundation Logo, 20 for the MeeGo logo, the Intel, Nokia and Porsche logos I had lying around Feb 22 06:54:03 Putting everything together was about 30 minutes. Feb 22 06:54:30 * RST38h checks for qt version of xchat, just in case Feb 22 06:55:01 * GeneralAntilles needs to do some of those creepy MeeGo-ians for the hood. Feb 22 06:55:42 ? Feb 22 06:56:04 http://meego.com/community Feb 22 06:56:20 As soon as X-Fade gets web access we need to have him add a caption to that picture. Feb 22 06:56:25 "We surrender!" Feb 22 06:56:39 The last one in line is TexRat Feb 22 06:56:53 Looks more like Qole Feb 22 06:57:26 * tekojo is thinking that the week starts like a Friday afternoon Feb 22 06:57:34 heh Feb 22 06:57:43 morning Feb 22 06:58:01 * timeless_mbp sighs Feb 22 06:58:06 the skin they use sucks Feb 22 06:58:08 http://meego.com/developers <-- There is Kate Feb 22 06:58:19 Morning Stskeeps! Feb 22 06:58:30 RST38h: the one w/ the lump on her head? Feb 22 06:58:33 Is it Wednesday yet? Feb 22 06:58:34 (and the pink purse) Feb 22 06:58:45 timeless_mbp, that's a hat and a netbook, clearly. Feb 22 06:58:52 oh Feb 22 06:58:54 forgive me Feb 22 06:59:00 :P Feb 22 06:59:22 I like the propaganda on that guy's laptop. Feb 22 06:59:43 the laptop is bigger than the orange headed guy Feb 22 07:00:00 You think the green headed guy stabbed his eye out after installing scratchbox? Feb 22 07:00:10 no, using Feb 22 07:00:20 nah, just after walking into a nokia store Feb 22 07:00:40 General: Ovi experience. No doubts about it. Feb 22 07:00:48 ok ... downgraded hildon-scripts Feb 22 07:01:07 Am I the only one suspecting that they let Symbian web artist do the artwork? Feb 22 07:01:07 the blue guy stopped using phones after a long talk to nokia care, he froze over and converted into a penguin Feb 22 07:01:16 that allowed mp-fremantle-002-pr to the system Feb 22 07:01:16 RST38h: nah Feb 22 07:01:23 the artistic styles are different Feb 22 07:01:35 Same mushrooms though... Feb 22 07:01:39 this is probably moblin art (tm) Feb 22 07:01:49 symbian uses lots of scribbles Feb 22 07:01:50 I wonder why tools repo has a different hildon-scripts Feb 22 07:01:52 thinner lines Feb 22 07:01:59 goodwill: to be different! Feb 22 07:02:06 *blinks* Feb 22 07:02:08 timeless_mbp, looks it Feb 22 07:02:32 the style here is very abstract Feb 22 07:02:37 whereas the style there is very childish Feb 22 07:03:04 this is 'paint by curved drawing tool' Feb 22 07:03:10 that's 'paint with pencil' Feb 22 07:03:23 * timeless_mbp has spent hours staring at developer.sybmian.org Feb 22 07:03:27 nice inkscape training material I guess Feb 22 07:03:39 "make you own meego guy" Feb 22 07:04:10 I like how the artwork mostly serves to help enforce the Fischer Price image. Feb 22 07:04:58 so I was at socal moblin/meego talk yesterday ... no good answer from the guys doing the presnetation on whehter forexample hildon is making it into meego Feb 22 07:05:11 goodwill: what talk? Feb 22 07:05:20 SCaLE Feb 22 07:05:22 goodwill: I don't see it likely Feb 22 07:05:28 hildon won't even make it to harmattan... Feb 22 07:05:33 Southern California Linux Expo Feb 22 07:05:45 goodwill: was it official guys? Feb 22 07:05:48 yup Feb 22 07:06:00 official intel guys Feb 22 07:06:10 hildon is already in moblin afaik Feb 22 07:06:11 they got really grilled on maemo Feb 22 07:06:15 just not entirely Feb 22 07:06:27 that said, maemo gtk is a clusterfuck Feb 22 07:06:33 sadly Feb 22 07:06:42 but wait until you see maemo qt... Feb 22 07:06:44 they said QT is officially supported gtk and clutter is supported Feb 22 07:06:45 goodwill: got names? Feb 22 07:06:47 and so is WRT Feb 22 07:06:57 I have a card .... hold on Feb 22 07:08:38 Stskeeps: Pete Kronowitt Feb 22 07:08:46 her said to email him about Hildon Feb 22 07:08:55 he Feb 22 07:08:59 I;ll do that tomorrow Feb 22 07:09:19 they did not go in on detail on the finger interface for Meego Feb 22 07:09:26 even though people pushed Feb 22 07:09:50 goodwill: what's your specific interest in hildon about? something you could sort out by talking to the guys maintining it in gitorious? Feb 22 07:10:34 villemv: no specific interest ... but the Intel guy was not addressing Meego finger interface ... so I wondered Feb 22 07:11:03 yeah, the gtk + clutter they were talking about probably wasn't the one in n900 Feb 22 07:11:18 mutter Feb 22 07:11:21 the story of harmattan hasn't changed AFAIK Feb 22 07:11:21 mutter Feb 22 07:11:31 villemv: there's a story? Feb 22 07:11:50 timeless_mbp: the one talked publically. Gtk == community support Feb 22 07:12:11 yeah thats the feeling I got ... cause he did not say officially supported Feb 22 07:12:38 they did say Meego will have 6 month release period Feb 22 07:12:59 but that binary blobs in the kernel are all but unavoidable Feb 22 07:13:16 though they intend to keep up with the latest Feb 22 07:13:23 goodwill: binary blobs in the kernel are illegal Feb 22 07:13:51 legality is debatable Feb 22 07:13:56 I mainly mean ... non-opensource drivers Feb 22 07:14:03 goodwill: illegal on Linux Feb 22 07:14:03 for 3g and what not Feb 22 07:14:07 unless userland Feb 22 07:14:14 goodwill: non open kernel drivers are avoidable Feb 22 07:14:27 so who's going to sue? Linux Foundation? ;-) Feb 22 07:14:29 firmware and userland less so Feb 22 07:14:29 though they said intel driver should be open source except for one issue they are trying to resolve Feb 22 07:14:49 villemv: that's a different problem :( Feb 22 07:15:21 I also got a sense they are not really sure what nokia is doing Feb 22 07:15:28 goodwill: surprise! Feb 22 07:15:32 who is ever? ;) Feb 22 07:15:39 * timeless_mbp doubts they're the only ones unsure about that Feb 22 07:15:50 so I suspect nokia is just dumping maemo, moving to moblin/meego and intends to be a contributor Feb 22 07:15:54 goodwill: timeless_mbp and Stskeeps are on Nokia payroll and don't seem to have a clue what Nokia's doing <.< Feb 22 07:16:01 hehehe Feb 22 07:16:06 luke-jr++ Feb 22 07:16:22 luke-jr: i am on community budget, not payroll :P Feb 22 07:16:30 Stskeeps: same diff? Feb 22 07:16:35 very big diff Feb 22 07:16:37 Stskeeps: arguably a distinction w/o a difference Feb 22 07:17:12 goodwill: and bringing the only good pieces they have Feb 22 07:17:22 in reality it means he doesn't get to come to some meetings where they discuss platitudes w/o understanding what a platitude is Feb 22 07:18:05 soon enough what its called won't matter Feb 22 07:18:22 gnu/linux is moving into mobile distros full speed Feb 22 07:18:36 Stskeeps: so now you are technically paid by "MeeGo community"? Feb 22 07:18:37 as long as patches keep flowing the distros will be fine Feb 22 07:19:02 villemv: changing contracts is incredibly slow Feb 22 07:19:08 so it's highly unlikely Feb 22 07:19:11 I can imagine Feb 22 07:19:17 besides the community doesn't exist enough to do that Feb 22 07:19:33 and if it was, i'd expect it'd be vaguely public knowledge Feb 22 07:19:56 fwiw, i don't think meego exists in the same sense that maemo existed Feb 22 07:20:10 i think in theory it'd be 'paid by LF to work on MeeGo' Feb 22 07:20:14 as in, "actually"? :-P Feb 22 07:20:38 neither of them really exist, but the hand wavers are different Feb 22 07:20:43 I think maemo will not 'stop existing' as long as the community is alive. Feb 22 07:21:03 from the talk one thing was clear the whole MeeGo thing is going full steam on netbooks and atom ... no clue about ARM Feb 22 07:21:09 villemv: no, maemo.org Feb 22 07:21:10 Mhm...Ok, small poll: Should I spend time on moving Vulture's Eye savefiles into ~user/.vultures or should the complainers just stuff it? Feb 22 07:21:28 where are those savefiles now? Feb 22 07:21:33 villemv: my role in meego is still unclear as with everyones Feb 22 07:21:45 MiXu-: that would be correct if Maemo was ever open source. but it wasn't, and probably never will be if MeeGo replaces it. Feb 22 07:21:54 villemv: in the usual place for Nethack Feb 22 07:22:00 Stskeeps: yeah, I would actually have been surprised if they got to the phase already where they have distinct budget Feb 22 07:22:06 usr/lib/vultures Feb 22 07:22:14 villemv: hence need to clarify :) Feb 22 07:22:40 luke-jr: at least 97 percent is better than 43 Feb 22 07:22:43 yuck RST38h Feb 22 07:22:54 Don't blame me, I have not written Nethack Feb 22 07:23:11 you can still fix it ;-) Feb 22 07:23:29 does XDG have canonical place for savegames? Feb 22 07:23:45 goodwill: There is no business reason why Intel would market it on ARM Feb 22 07:23:52 luke-jr: Even if there will be no new products for the platform it doesn't mean it's dead. Feb 22 07:23:59 Stskeeps: I'd give Maemo 40% Feb 22 07:24:11 goodwill: Given that Moblin is basically a vehicle to sell more Atom CPUs Feb 22 07:24:24 MiXu-: Actually, it does. Feb 22 07:24:51 But you can believe that it is not dead for another 1...3...5...10 years if you are an Amiga user... Feb 22 07:25:02 exactly! Feb 22 07:25:15 That is mental though, has no relation to reality Feb 22 07:25:52 But there will be new software for maemo for quite a while Feb 22 07:25:55 how many apps there are for the n900?" Feb 22 07:26:18 MiXu-: Prolly not. As soon as Meego-based dev protos are available everyone will jump to Meego Feb 22 07:26:43 That is what has happened with Maemo4->Maemo5 shift after all Feb 22 07:28:05 you know... I am really stressed about N900. It is a product of awesome quality. However, it has not been recognized as such by the media. I can't see such a wonderful technological achivement fail just because of marketing. I want to keep my faith on mankind. Feb 22 07:28:23 Why? Feb 22 07:28:28 few friends of mine are buying N900. Feb 22 07:28:37 actully, N900 won't be screwed in the sense n810 was screwed Feb 22 07:28:40 it doesn't seem to be booming on the market Feb 22 07:28:46 because the hw is ok Feb 22 07:28:51 ptl, well, it does have its downsides if you're actually want a phone.. Feb 22 07:28:56 it does Feb 22 07:29:00 No, why do you want to keep your faith in mankind? Feb 22 07:29:01 and qt allows somewhat tolerable porting Feb 22 07:29:01 I didn't say it's perfect Feb 22 07:29:14 villemv: Not from gtk Feb 22 07:29:31 RST38h: lol, why wouldn't I? it my species after all :) Feb 22 07:29:39 Who'd be insane enough to develop anything for N900 with GTK at this point? Feb 22 07:29:40 villemv: the N8x0 problem wasn't hardware Feb 22 07:30:04 Well, last time I checked, Qt was kinda clumsy on N900 Feb 22 07:30:09 does bounce evolution use QT or GTK? Feb 22 07:30:17 Slow to start, plenty of visual warts Feb 22 07:30:24 Even if you're developing for meego, N900 is a pretty good platform to test your stuff on, until real meego hardware (and software) is available Feb 22 07:30:31 RST38h: you checked 4.5? Feb 22 07:30:34 yes Feb 22 07:30:36 Ovi Maps... QT or GTK+? Feb 22 07:30:47 faith in mankind is an illness, curable though Feb 22 07:30:51 RST38h: ok, don't lose your hope yet ;-) Feb 22 07:30:54 but *dangerous* Feb 22 07:31:00 on thing the meego guy said is that a number of proprioetary video formats will be supported Feb 22 07:31:15 includign h264 Feb 22 07:31:15 villemv: None of my own apps rely on any toolkits Feb 22 07:31:23 www.search2.net Feb 22 07:31:24 I have no idea what it meant Feb 22 07:31:27 goodwill: just how proprietary is h264? Feb 22 07:31:34 villemw: So I am fine Feb 22 07:31:37 RST38h: you use just xlib? Feb 22 07:31:38 referring to patents? Feb 22 07:31:46 or opengl? Feb 22 07:31:51 luke-jr: licensing Feb 22 07:31:57 goodwill: patent licensing? Feb 22 07:32:02 villemw: I use a memory buffer and a blit Feb 22 07:32:11 goodwill: I know there's free software h264 decoders Feb 22 07:32:14 * ptl gets losts Feb 22 07:32:20 RST38h: what apps are you doing if I may ask? Feb 22 07:32:22 oh right Feb 22 07:32:26 luke-jr: I do not know ... I did not get the details Feb 22 07:32:26 villemw: http://fms.komkon.org/fMSX/snaps/Menu.gif Feb 22 07:32:32 WTF does OMWeather demand i reboot my n900? Feb 22 07:32:49 ah, msx! :-) Feb 22 07:32:53 (the menu shown is really the last-resort menu, present even on platforms where nothing else is available) Feb 22 07:32:57 timeless_mbp: it embeds the forecast in your kernel Feb 22 07:32:57 luke-jr: but like I said the he dais the proprietary formats will be supported ... whatever that means Feb 22 07:33:09 dais=said Feb 22 07:33:17 Konami should abandonware their old roms Feb 22 07:33:24 timeless_mbp: you moved your mouse. please reboot for the change to take effect Feb 22 07:33:38 villemv: "abandonware" basically means "copyright infringement" Feb 22 07:34:06 yeah :-( Feb 22 07:34:17 luke-jr, well, it means "copyright infringement that the company doesn't care about", at least in theory Feb 22 07:34:20 So, should Konami infringe copyright on its own games? Feb 22 07:34:22 which is marginally better Feb 22 07:34:23 * RST38h cackles Feb 22 07:34:29 "abandonware" means "copyright laws are flawed and keep these 'rights' for too long" Feb 22 07:34:53 ptl, that too Feb 22 07:35:05 Not sure how the jump from toolkit support to copyright laws has been made... Feb 22 07:35:07 copyright should only be granted when source code is included with binaries :D Feb 22 07:35:27 Good thing I bought my Duke3D in 1996 (and later atomic edition) and kept the files Feb 22 07:35:30 it's still one of the most fun games to play Feb 22 07:35:42 I am playing it right from the beginning again on my N900 Feb 22 07:35:43 ptl: you can still buy Commander Keen :p Feb 22 07:36:26 ptl: you just wait till your DukeNukem Forever copyright expires :) Feb 22 07:36:27 at that time I was on IRC talking with George Broussard and the guys from 3D Realsm Feb 22 07:36:30 it was too bad they went bankrupt Feb 22 07:36:35 and Duke Nukem Forever took... Forever Feb 22 07:36:43 games actually prove the superiority of free software in many ways Feb 22 07:37:10 how many games' source code has been LOST entirely because it was kept proprietary? Feb 22 07:37:20 I know of at least 2 popular games :P Feb 22 07:37:30 UFO: X-COM Feb 22 07:37:34 ZZT Feb 22 07:37:35 luke-jr: DNF Feb 22 07:37:38 hey, that'd be nice to have on the N900 Feb 22 07:37:42 Commander Keen Feb 22 07:37:44 I had it on my old HTC Athena Feb 22 07:37:49 ptl: ZZT? Feb 22 07:37:55 I dunno ZZT Feb 22 07:37:58 what's that? Feb 22 07:38:00 * luke-jr blinks Feb 22 07:38:03 you don't know ZZT?! Feb 22 07:38:10 what does it mean? Feb 22 07:38:14 it's Epic Games's first game Feb 22 07:38:25 no, I don't know it.. :( Feb 22 07:38:27 or first hit game, I forget which Feb 22 07:38:51 Commander Keep rocked Feb 22 07:39:04 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZZT Feb 22 07:39:15 released in 1991 and still has a player base Feb 22 07:39:17 Keen works ok with the N900 Feb 22 07:39:21 on dosbox Feb 22 07:39:37 I am looking at it Feb 22 07:39:39 yes Feb 22 07:39:43 seems nice Feb 22 07:40:02 how about ultima's+ Feb 22 07:40:02 looks kinda like nethack/rogue Feb 22 07:40:04 have to remap a bit to get alt though Feb 22 07:40:05 * RST38h moos at wazd Feb 22 07:40:07 ultima 7 Feb 22 07:40:11 and ultima underworld Feb 22 07:40:15 for N900... it'd be nice Feb 22 07:40:26 just kidding Feb 22 07:40:29 HEY! no droids here :P Feb 22 07:40:32 u7 might be okay w/ stylus Feb 22 07:40:34 port exult? Feb 22 07:41:25 In the changelog file, what does +hh:mm mean? Feb 22 07:41:31 lord british could really cash in w/ ovi store Feb 22 07:41:33 it it difference from gmt? Feb 22 07:41:51 RST38h: imo yes Feb 22 07:41:55 A'ok Feb 22 07:41:58 +3:00 then Feb 22 07:42:55 dch should autofill the proper timezone, right? Feb 22 07:43:08 please keep in mind you won't use a stylus on next device with c-ts :-( Feb 22 07:43:26 * RST38h will sharpen a finger Feb 22 07:43:26 wow, 50 Mbytes of usage and I have my n900 work a week and a half only Feb 22 07:43:28 well, we'll have the sausages anyway Feb 22 07:43:28 * DocScrutinizer hopes Nokia will rethink this decission Feb 22 07:43:44 my data plan is only about 200 MiB/month Feb 22 07:43:49 I'll have to upgrade Feb 22 07:44:13 DocScrutinizer: me too Feb 22 07:44:26 DocScrutinizer: maybe we'll have different devices. Feb 22 07:44:33 I know multitouch is nice and such. But I really like being able to use a stylus. Feb 22 07:44:52 For me it's common to have greasy or sweaty fingers Feb 22 07:45:27 in Brazil it's very warm... And I find my hands sweating a lot. I don't like to use my fingers everytime. Feb 22 07:45:41 waiting for the notorious "but there's stylii for c-ts" comment Feb 22 07:45:52 sausages don't count Feb 22 07:46:00 hehehehe Feb 22 07:46:32 HTC has patented them Feb 22 07:46:37 the stylii for the capacitive screens Feb 22 07:47:19 seems nobody has patented mt for r-ts yet, though Feb 22 07:47:43 maybe that's because it's not entirely viable Feb 22 07:47:48 http://aiw1.uspto.gov/.aiw?Docid=20090167727&homeurl=http%3A%2F%2Fappft1.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fnph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO2%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526p%3D1%2526u%3D%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsearch-bool.html%2526r%3D10%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526co1%3DAND%2526d%3DPG01%2526s1%3Dhtc.AS.%2526OS%3DAN%2Fhtc%2526RS%3DAN%2Fhtc&PageNum=&Rtype=&SectionNum=&idkey=EC524E79E011 --> htc patent Feb 22 07:47:53 ptl: it is Feb 22 07:48:41 tinyurl.com is your friend Feb 22 07:48:57 DocScrutinizer: I don't know the technology enough, if you say... Feb 22 07:49:04 Proteous: sorry, should have though of that Feb 22 07:49:07 use a hotdog like everyone else Feb 22 07:49:10 ptl, another stupid patent :/ Also, this is one heck of an ugly URL :P Feb 22 07:49:34 * jaem sighs Feb 22 07:49:36 I'm an idiot Feb 22 07:49:44 http://tinyurl.com/yjtkdfk Feb 22 07:50:01 http://bit.ly/11JtiT Feb 22 07:50:02 I've been fighting with someone else's code on and off for days, and it turned out to be a really simple build issue that took me about 30s to fix Feb 22 07:50:09 doh Feb 22 07:50:13 hate that Feb 22 07:50:30 worse when it's your code though Feb 22 07:50:41 Proteous, yeah, he was changing the architecture of a library we were using (the one I linked to earlier), and I thought that was the issue Feb 22 07:50:48 ptl: google for so-called 4-wire r-ts, compared to the usual 2-wire Feb 22 07:51:14 and since I didn't fully understand the code that I was building against it (I didn't write it, and hadn't read most of it), I just assumed Feb 22 07:51:19 ptl: you can drive a 2wire r-ts 4wire as well Feb 22 07:51:24 ah Feb 22 07:51:32 it turns out that he just changed the name of a few identifiers, and I somehow missed that :/ Feb 22 07:51:43 DocScrutinizer, 2-wire r-ts? How does that work? Feb 22 07:51:51 don't you need four to sense in two dimensions? Feb 22 07:52:02 jaem: 2 wires / plane/axis Feb 22 07:52:13 ah, okay Feb 22 07:53:47 jaem: 4wire is to have driver outputs separated from A/D-inputs. So when you place a R in between there you can sense the reduction of plane resistance caused by 2-touch Feb 22 07:55:01 that sounds reasonable, but I'd have to see a schematic for it to make sense at this time of night Feb 22 07:55:04 thanks Feb 22 07:55:28 jaem: I might be able to find a pointer for you Feb 22 07:55:40 DocScrutinizer, I'd appreciate it Feb 22 07:55:53 jaem: ...as I'm not the only person on this planet who invented this Feb 22 07:56:06 hehe Feb 22 08:00:29 ok Feb 22 08:00:37 let's say multitouch is introduced to maemo/meego Feb 22 08:00:44 how would one change the apps to react to this? Feb 22 08:02:29 "...by the time Prohibition ended in 1933, the federal poisoning program, by some estimates, had killed at least 10,000 people." Feb 22 08:02:38 ??? Feb 22 08:02:43 ptl: that would depend on how it's introduced Feb 22 08:04:17 Is it safe to apt-get upgrade sb2? Feb 22 08:05:35 timeless_mbp: I mean, you do something in gtk+ or qt. How can you know if two buttons are pressed at the same time in your app or something? Wouldn't it break your design? Feb 22 08:05:57 ptl: hypothetically Qt may have multi touch apis Feb 22 08:06:05 which allow you to recognize e.g. a gesture Feb 22 08:06:19 or perhaps multiple distinct event sources Feb 22 08:07:16 ptl: ButtonDown/ButtonUp messages for all UI elements will solve this Feb 22 08:07:20 there's a new thing for x11 to deal w/ this stuff Feb 22 08:07:28 ptl: Same as they solve this problem for keyboards Feb 22 08:07:51 hmm Feb 22 08:07:52 http://www.slashgear.com/qt-4-6-with-multitouch-released-plus-second-maemo-5-tech-preview-video-0164775/ Feb 22 08:07:58 will solve or it is solved already? Feb 22 08:08:05 will check Feb 22 08:08:17 * timeless_mbp grumbles Feb 22 08:08:26 running firefox+microb+camera = bad idea Feb 22 08:08:57 ptl: Check if Qt has separate events for button-click, button-up, and button-down Feb 22 08:09:04 ptl: exact names may differ of course Feb 22 08:09:11 http://qt.nokia.com/doc/4.6/gestures-overview.html Feb 22 08:09:48 grabGesture(Qt::PinchGesture); Feb 22 08:10:14 villemv: the ImageWidget::gestureEvent example code seems bogus Feb 22 08:10:20 if (foo) Feb 22 08:10:23 do_foo(); Feb 22 08:10:27 else if (bar) Feb 22 08:10:31 do_bar(); Feb 22 08:10:34 if (baz) Feb 22 08:10:37 do_baz(); Feb 22 08:10:53 so it will do_foo and do_baz or do_bar and do_baz Feb 22 08:11:33 you are looking at http://qt.nokia.com/doc/4.6/gestures-imagegestures.html ? Feb 22 08:11:41 nope Feb 22 08:11:45 just the link you pasted before Feb 22 08:12:01 although the same code exists in the new link Feb 22 08:12:23 c+p bugs Feb 22 08:12:25 yum Feb 22 08:12:55 complain on #qt :-) Feb 22 08:13:05 eWhyShouldI Feb 22 08:13:17 they shouldn't write buggy documentation :) Feb 22 08:16:38 Oh shit NOT AGAIN Feb 22 08:16:56 Permission denied (publickey). Feb 22 08:16:56 lost connection Feb 22 08:17:07 Will this shit ever stop? Is X-Fade around? Feb 22 08:21:55 Ah cool Nokia finally broke and announced MeeGo support for N900s Feb 22 08:22:12 Which kinda makes sense, once you consider what every developer has... Feb 22 08:22:15 RST38h, Were'd you see that? Feb 22 08:22:28 RST38h: look at source Feb 22 08:22:31 s/were/where/ Feb 22 08:22:33 obvious hoax Feb 22 08:22:49 Ah no, another bullshitter Feb 22 08:23:02 Not that it stops making sens of course. Feb 22 08:23:09 the marketing dept should employ the guy for talking same language as them though Feb 22 08:23:21 yeah, argument is good, source not Feb 22 08:23:47 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnuRbzp784A --> LOLROFLMAO Feb 22 08:23:49 Stskeeps: Well, given that most of the development will probably happen on N900s anyway (in-house I mean) and that they want to seed early, I do not see why not Feb 22 08:24:27 Stskeeps: With N8x0/N900 shift, it was the hardware. There is no hardware incompatibility now. Feb 22 08:24:33 the one with 'flashing voids warranty' is more disturbing though Feb 22 08:24:42 Where? Feb 22 08:24:52 do you have a link? (for the bullshitter) Feb 22 08:24:55 tmo Feb 22 08:25:26 Stskeeps: Could you please find someone responsibel for extras-devel and properly crucify him? Feb 22 08:25:35 Stskeeps: Not accepting packages to autobuilder again Feb 22 08:26:23 RST38h: jeremiah, x-fade and we should all use OBS Feb 22 08:26:32 what's the hierarchy of stability again? ovi store << maemo repository << extras-devel << extras-testing ? is that it? Feb 22 08:26:45 ptl: this does not mention maemo? I don't understand Feb 22 08:26:53 Stskeeps: What OBS? I am honestly trying to submit a few packages to the autobuilder, for inclusion into Extras Feb 22 08:27:01 villemv: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45402 Feb 22 08:27:04 You mean, none of is is supported any longer? Feb 22 08:27:19 yeah, I'm on there. quite obvious bs Feb 22 08:27:23 RST38h: yes, of course, i am just stating a personal opinion Feb 22 08:27:27 lucent: the youtube video? it's just something funny about mobiles I found by the same guy who performed endurance tests of all kinds on the N900. Feb 22 08:27:35 RST38h: complain on mailing list Feb 22 08:27:43 Feb 22 08:27:45 RST38h: its obviously a problem Feb 22 08:28:12 ptl: "For Science!" that one? I found it very useful Feb 22 08:28:16 * RST38h would like to understand what the current problem is Feb 22 08:28:32 Is it simply a temporary outage, or has autobuilder support been dropped now? Feb 22 08:28:48 not dropped Feb 22 08:28:50 temp Feb 22 08:28:54 hmm Feb 22 08:29:04 then not worth complaining Feb 22 08:29:22 how are they expected to fix if you dont notify? Feb 22 08:30:04 Has anyone stated what the roadmap is for maemo/meego and how it fits in with the n900. I was 2 mins away from ordering an n900 but heard about this change Feb 22 08:30:32 Stskeeps: Already msged X-fade, no response though Feb 22 08:30:41 aphrek: lemme find a post i wrote Feb 22 08:30:52 lucent: I don't know, he submitted the N900 to several tests: water, scratching, falling and a couple others Feb 22 08:31:01 lucent: on test for each youtube video Feb 22 08:31:04 aphrek: what do you want from a phone? I own a N900 and am a casual user of phones, pretty hardcore sysadmin sort of guy Feb 22 08:31:09 jaem: sorry, the ebook.pdf seems to have vanished fom public net. So no pointer for now. Ping me now+12h if you like to talk details about mt on r-ts Feb 22 08:31:22 aphrek: the n900 will still work a year from now Feb 22 08:31:25 come rain or shine Feb 22 08:31:26 Stskeeps: Thanks Feb 22 08:31:31 unless you try to kill it Feb 22 08:31:33 unless your usb port falls off Feb 22 08:31:39 DocScrutinizer, okay, I will if I'm around Feb 22 08:31:41 I bought the N900 and found it the bestest phone ever. Feb 22 08:31:42 thanks! Feb 22 08:31:45 aziwoqpd: oh, it'll still work then Feb 22 08:31:47 aphrek: i would still buy a n900, excellent device. but for the rest, read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 Feb 22 08:31:50 it'll just be harder to chage :) Feb 22 08:31:53 s/chage/charge/ Feb 22 08:31:54 timeless_mbp meant: it'll just be harder to charge :) Feb 22 08:31:58 timeless_mbp, or unless the rain rains on your N900 too hard Feb 22 08:32:08 Thanks for that Feb 22 08:32:09 jaem: i've only had snow kill one 770 Feb 22 08:32:10 aphrek: how much are you planning to pay for N900? Feb 22 08:32:14 and i resurrected that :) Feb 22 08:32:38 Well, I'm in the uk and it'll be on contract - so it's free Feb 22 08:32:51 aphrek: don't go for vodafone Feb 22 08:32:57 aphrek: beware Feb 22 08:33:00 aphrek, it has some rough bits, but it is a sweet phone Feb 22 08:33:02 beware of contract phone Feb 22 08:33:04 jacekowski: Really? Feb 22 08:33:11 aphrek: yeah, 500M of internet Feb 22 08:33:13 Why is that? Feb 22 08:33:16 the vodafone version means you initially will get updates later than everyone else Feb 22 08:33:17 aphrek: and after that you pay a lot Feb 22 08:33:31 nokia doesn't like that and we'll try to force them not to dally/delay Feb 22 08:33:32 Oh yeah - that's not enough Feb 22 08:33:36 but ... there's overhead Feb 22 08:33:43 as a reference, I paid $530 USD and that is before consideration of the $50 USD mail-in rebate offer Feb 22 08:33:51 aphrek: t-mobile has worst support ever for instance Feb 22 08:33:58 Is it on any other provider? Feb 22 08:34:06 aphrek: t-mobile Feb 22 08:34:14 What would you recommend ? Feb 22 08:34:14 aphrek: you have to buy it in carphone warehouse Feb 22 08:34:21 Right Feb 22 08:34:29 well, i'm on £25/mo with t-mobile Feb 22 08:34:37 bought in carphone warehouse Feb 22 08:34:53 T mobile might be the best? Feb 22 08:35:07 if you don't need roaming for first 3 months Feb 22 08:35:15 or you are prepared to pay £250 deposit Feb 22 08:35:17 £25 is not bad Feb 22 08:35:27 Nope - don't need roaming Feb 22 08:35:34 Was the phone free? Feb 22 08:35:44 aphrek: personally, i run up a fairly large data bill Feb 22 08:35:46 ( and if they say deposit is only 150 that's a lie - that's 150 for international phone calls and 100 for roaming - and you need both ) Feb 22 08:35:53 so i'd want a plan that gave me lots of data (preferably uncapped) Feb 22 08:35:56 Same here Feb 22 08:36:07 aphrek: £49 Feb 22 08:36:10 anyhow if you do buy an N900, I *highly* recommend the full-body screen protector "InvisiShield" that costs $25 USD Feb 22 08:36:12 for a phone Feb 22 08:36:12 Nice Feb 22 08:36:41 you'll want at least a slip case (Nokia CP-321) *and* high quality screen and case protector film Feb 22 08:37:00 Stskeeps: *wow*, 286 thanks? Feb 22 08:37:02 any drawbacks on the n900 I should be aware of? Feb 22 08:37:09 yeah Feb 22 08:37:19 aphrek: it doesn't support java Feb 22 08:37:24 (out of the box anyway) Feb 22 08:37:27 lucent, do you mean the one made by zagg? Feb 22 08:37:30 timeless_mbp: people were -very- confused Feb 22 08:37:33 sheepbat: yep Zagg Feb 22 08:37:36 Oh really - that's a shame Feb 22 08:37:37 <`0660> i've been perfectly happy without any protectors Feb 22 08:37:41 and it doesn't have great out of the box support for osx Feb 22 08:37:50 however you can in theory get java support from jalimo Feb 22 08:37:54 have you ever actually used one of those for an extended period of time? Feb 22 08:37:55 aphrek, it doesn't support som microsoft crap called "MfE as a provisional device" Feb 22 08:38:01 and there's a project to add osx sync support Feb 22 08:38:07 But it does work with os x Feb 22 08:38:17 sheepbat: it's been my primary phone since september Feb 22 08:38:28 I meant the shield Feb 22 08:38:32 sheepbat: was that directed at myself? oh Feb 22 08:38:33 i've travelled to hrm, ~10 countries on 2 continents Feb 22 08:38:35 Does it compare well with the iPhone? Feb 22 08:38:49 sheepbat: I have Zagg InvisiShield installed and used daily since the N900 came to USA market Feb 22 08:38:50 aphrek: if you want an iPhone, buy an iPhone Feb 22 08:38:52 aphrek, it's the opposite of the iphone. Feb 22 08:39:09 the iPhone gives you a shiny media player and a shiny app store Feb 22 08:39:09 I used an invisishield on an ATT Tilt since.. Feb 22 08:39:15 I have ab iPhone but I'd like something more hackable Feb 22 08:39:15 june 2008 Feb 22 08:39:15 you will not find either of those here Feb 22 08:39:17 NEED PEOPLE FOR A (WHITEHAT) SEO DEVELOPMENT TEAM!! WWW.BINGSEOFORUM.COM + WWW.BARELYLEGAL.COM Feb 22 08:39:20 aphrek: it is a different breed. think of it as a computer that happens to have a phone part Feb 22 08:39:27 and it's not something I'd recommend personally Feb 22 08:39:27 sheepbat: it's difficult as sin to install on the phone, but once on there it stays on and works amazingly Feb 22 08:39:28 I see Feb 22 08:39:28 #xbox720 on EFNET Feb 22 08:39:31 aphrek: doesn't send/recieve mms messages Feb 22 08:39:33 a phone w/ a good sip stack! Feb 22 08:39:35 Sound more my cup of tea Feb 22 08:39:36 #xbox720 on EFNET Feb 22 08:39:40 jacekowski: not out of box Feb 22 08:39:45 oh yeah, out of the box it doesn't do mms Feb 22 08:39:49 there's a project for that Feb 22 08:39:51 jacekowski: but with frals stuff, it does Feb 22 08:39:52 sheepbat: oh, too bad. What don't you like about it? Feb 22 08:39:59 which i think at this point works nicely, although i haven't tired Feb 22 08:40:02 s/tired/tried/ Feb 22 08:40:03 timeless_mbp meant: which i think at this point works nicely, although i haven't tried Feb 22 08:40:05 * timeless_mbp is tired? Feb 22 08:40:07 it actually kept peeling off Feb 22 08:40:20 Ok thanks all- if I can get a decent contrAct I think I'll go for it Feb 22 08:40:23 and I actually did manage to scratch the screen protector Feb 22 08:40:36 * lucent ORLY Feb 22 08:40:43 aphrek: well, the best contract at the moment is that £25 from t-mobile Feb 22 08:40:44 granted, I was being a little stupid with it Feb 22 08:40:45 /kick claviceps Feb 22 08:40:49 but.. it should be able to take that Feb 22 08:40:50 aphrek: anyway, wrt contracts and ownership, price out the free deal and figure out if it's really worth it Feb 22 08:40:55 if it isn't, get another deal Feb 22 08:40:58 aphrek: but you could try speaking to o2 Feb 22 08:41:12 sheepbat: have you applied for a free warrantied replacement? Feb 22 08:41:12 aphrek: and they might offer you decent contract Feb 22 08:41:20 also, be warned, nokia's phones seem to be under warranty in a single country Feb 22 08:41:22 not globally Feb 22 08:41:29 jacekowski: Will o2 do the n900? Feb 22 08:41:30 I actually didn't bother Feb 22 08:41:33 aphrek: they do Feb 22 08:41:36 I figured i'd get the exact same material Feb 22 08:41:43 and besides that.. Feb 22 08:41:49 I don't like the texture Feb 22 08:41:52 Oh cool - that would be easier Feb 22 08:41:53 aphrek: however they contracts are not as good as others Feb 22 08:41:57 it'd be okay for the body Feb 22 08:41:59 Right Feb 22 08:42:00 so while it might be a good deal to buy in the usa, if you expect to need the warranty (and you might), you'll be unhappy unless you have friends crossing the pond regularly Feb 22 08:42:03 but it is *way* too sticky for the screen Feb 22 08:42:33 timeless_mbp: here in UK you can get mobile phone insurance with your bank accoutn Feb 22 08:42:35 aphrek: spend time researching, watch demos on youtube, etc - i love my n900 and i hope you will too Feb 22 08:42:42 jacekowski: yum Feb 22 08:42:44 sheepbat: I thought that too on the N900, it seemed kind of gooey for the screen. Easy to get used to though Feb 22 08:42:52 considering all the swiping I'd need to do for gestures, I want something smooth Feb 22 08:43:04 plus, I want a matte screen Feb 22 08:43:05 Great - thanks all Feb 22 08:43:12 timeless_mbp: so if something happens to your phone - just throw it into a river Feb 22 08:43:20 timeless_mbp: make a claim and pay £30 excess Feb 22 08:43:25 timeless_mbp: and get your phone back Feb 22 08:43:47 I went for one of these instead: http://www.clarivue.com/nokia-n900-screen-protector.html Feb 22 08:43:54 someone was complaining about insurance being overused Feb 22 08:43:56 * timeless_mbp wonders where Feb 22 08:44:15 it was a minor pain in the neck to apply, and there is a small amount of dust under the protector Feb 22 08:44:18 aphrek: yep. So hey the drawbacks are.... IR is send only (driver issue? unconfirmed), USB is device only (no HOST mode), GPS chipset is a little flimsy (not very accurate in terrain) Feb 22 08:44:22 but I'm far more happy with this Feb 22 08:44:28 swing-and-a-miss. Feb 22 08:44:44 sheepbat: I dislike dust under screen protector Feb 22 08:44:48 that's so dang annoying Feb 22 08:44:54 yeah Feb 22 08:44:56 lucent: afaiu the IR is only designed for use as a remote control, not for irda Feb 22 08:44:59 I have a technique for removing it Feb 22 08:44:59 try to clean the surfaces but it only deposits a static charge Feb 22 08:45:01 I dislike dust _on_ anything :P Feb 22 08:45:05 but it's not perfect Feb 22 08:45:09 although the information i get is generally bad Feb 22 08:45:14 timeless_mbp: is there confirmation of this fact though? Feb 22 08:45:16 I can use tape applied to the underside to try to remove it Feb 22 08:45:20 lucent: nope :) Feb 22 08:45:27 with work, I can get it out Feb 22 08:45:39 so even if you get it *really* wrong the first time, you can keep trying until it's perfect Feb 22 08:46:03 Stskeeps: good post but I'd really like to hear something from Nokia. They're just too quiet about this whole matter Feb 22 08:46:04 Is there any information on Qt Creator, MADDE & N900 environment setting up at all? Feb 22 08:46:12 sheepbat: the liquid+squegee technique from Zagg InvisiShield should have left no dust but I had bubbles Feb 22 08:46:21 got the bubbles out only to find dust again Feb 22 08:46:21 plus, that particular order comes with two protectors Feb 22 08:46:26 blah Feb 22 08:46:33 lucent: N900 gps is apparently more accurate than tomtom satnav gps chip Feb 22 08:46:40 I actually got it nearly perfect on my tilt Feb 22 08:46:40 jacekowski: ha Feb 22 08:46:48 lucent: and that's the best sat nav i've ever seen Feb 22 08:46:58 we didn't tell that person about the kickstand defficiency! Feb 22 08:46:59 lucent: it's just tomtom software that does the magic Feb 22 08:47:00 one or two small bubbles on the back, and none on the screen Feb 22 08:47:03 shame on us all. :P Feb 22 08:47:31 I wonder if you could apply the clarivue protector on top of the zagg protector... Feb 22 08:47:41 lucent, what's the kickstande deficiency? Just that it's not very good? Feb 22 08:47:49 mece: that's it, yes Feb 22 08:47:51 it's off to the side Feb 22 08:47:56 yes Feb 22 08:47:58 WWW.WINDOWS.COM Feb 22 08:48:01 with keyboard out, the kickstand'ed N900 falls over Feb 22 08:48:06 dude I got an HP Feb 22 08:48:11 lucent, well, it's still better than any other phone's kickstand ;) Feb 22 08:48:15 dude I got a HewellPackard Feb 22 08:48:21 lucent, mine doesn't Feb 22 08:48:30 www.bing.com Feb 22 08:48:33 www.bing.com Feb 22 08:48:34 mine is right on the edge Feb 22 08:48:45 mece: I saw mention on t.m.o forums that there was a simple design produced by an enthusiast and for sale, laser cutout stands Feb 22 08:48:48 I want just the design Feb 22 08:48:57 will make it from my own materials Feb 22 08:48:58 www.bing.com Feb 22 08:49:08 crashanddie: Feb 22 08:49:23 pupnik, Are yuo talking to me? Feb 22 08:49:24 :P Feb 22 08:49:24 yes? Feb 22 08:49:26 hahah Feb 22 08:49:39 sorry problem solved Feb 22 08:50:01 I nearly kicked you for waking me Feb 22 08:50:29 lol Feb 22 08:50:34 * alterego wonders if MeeGo will include the lates OMAP GLES drivers as FOSS. Feb 22 08:51:34 Morning Feb 22 08:51:40 Ello X-Fade Feb 22 08:52:19 I suppose with the Qt stack they're raving about, it'd be hard for them not to include H/W acceleration? ... Feb 22 08:52:59 alterego: not EHLO? Feb 22 08:53:08 timeless_mbp: :) Feb 22 08:53:19 New MeeGo mail protocol :P Feb 22 08:53:32 alterego: but this is Maemo Feb 22 08:53:39 * timeless_mbp points to the sign Feb 22 08:53:40 MaeMeeGo Feb 22 08:53:43 alterego: fat chance Feb 22 08:53:44 :P Feb 22 08:53:50 * timeless_mbp points to the next door Feb 22 08:53:55 :) Feb 22 08:57:49 Anyone got MADDE remote with QEmu working? Feb 22 09:00:33 * timeless_mbp kicks something from maemo Feb 22 09:00:43 telling me you can't connect to one or more accounts when there's no network... Feb 22 09:00:45 anyone got a good twitter/identi.ca client for the n900? Feb 22 09:00:45 ... classy Feb 22 09:00:46 I suppose I'll have to do development using device remoting then :/ Feb 22 09:03:33 classy? couldn't find it on the application manager. Feb 22 09:03:55 ptl: sorry, that was for my problem Feb 22 09:04:04 telepathy / presence is being stupid Feb 22 09:04:11 i don't do twitter et al Feb 22 09:04:20 la Feb 22 09:04:27 ok Feb 22 09:04:48 not a very important requirement, since the browser behaves so well in N900. But it'd be nice to have a twitter app anyways. Feb 22 09:05:01 ptl: there is mauku Feb 22 09:05:07 doesnt it do twitter? Feb 22 09:05:39 mauku? I don't know, I couldn't find such a name when I searched for 'twitter' on the application manager Feb 22 09:05:42 let me try and find it Feb 22 09:05:44 it does Feb 22 09:05:57 http://mauku.henrikhedberg.com/ Feb 22 09:06:00 its in extras Feb 22 09:06:27 thanks!! I'll try it. Feb 22 09:06:28 its pretty neat app Feb 22 09:06:31 I use it on maemo4, it's quite good Feb 22 09:06:34 though I dont really use it muself Feb 22 09:06:40 s/us/ys/ Feb 22 09:06:41 tigert meant: though I dont really yse it muself Feb 22 09:06:45 aaargh :D Feb 22 09:06:48 weird Feb 22 09:06:48 gesture based ui triggers a bit too often Feb 22 09:06:58 I have extras, extras-devel and extras-testing active Feb 22 09:07:02 but they do no show mauku Feb 22 09:07:05 mauku is pretty lacking feature wise Feb 22 09:07:11 or well, really lacking Feb 22 09:07:18 try witter instead Feb 22 09:07:20 there's witter Feb 22 09:07:27 (slow fail) Feb 22 09:07:32 frals: isnt twitter more or less just a textfield you can splurt your random thought of the moment? :) Feb 22 09:07:50 Maybe you should all start by asking yourself a more general question: What the hell do you need microblogging for? Feb 22 09:07:59 tigert, isn't it annyoing when computers do exactly what you tell them to do Feb 22 09:08:27 yeah Feb 22 09:08:33 found mauku when looking at 'all' applications, alphabetically Feb 22 09:08:35 weird. Jus tweird Feb 22 09:08:41 inz: yeah ;( Feb 22 09:08:43 :) even Feb 22 09:08:58 RST38h: microblogging is useful, it's like a public instant messaging Feb 22 09:09:05 Hello Everyone ! Feb 22 09:09:12 hey Khertan Feb 22 09:09:21 ptl, then you can imagine that someone cares! Feb 22 09:09:21 tigert: yeah but in mauku you can pretty much only see what people you are following wrote, cant search or anything ;) Feb 22 09:09:31 frals: yeah Feb 22 09:09:48 ptl: And what is there that you would so like to instantly report to the public Feb 22 09:09:52 frals: I guess it works if you just look at it every 2 minutes :) Feb 22 09:10:09 twitter is boring anyway Feb 22 09:10:16 i need an audio expert ... when i leave pygame while playing music with maemo 5 player ... pygame.mixer.quit() is freezing ... and seems waiting something ... any idea ? Feb 22 09:10:22 its fun every 2 months for me Feb 22 09:10:23 yeah guess so :) Feb 22 09:10:25 then I forget about it Feb 22 09:10:29 twitter is interactive rss Feb 22 09:10:38 Well, most people are boring, their opinions are mostly cliches, and no, I am not interested to see the color of their excrement Feb 22 09:10:44 jaiku was nicer Feb 22 09:10:50 qaiku is now something similar Feb 22 09:11:00 * mgedmin misread RST38h's sentence as ending in "excitement" Feb 22 09:11:00 So, the whole microblogging stuff looks somewhat pointless Feb 22 09:11:08 RST38h: then don't follow them Feb 22 09:11:15 frals: ugh working from home today? I'm pretty much snowed in and the public transportation has caved in Feb 22 09:11:25 mgedmin: Like any of my sentences EVER end with "excitement"... Feb 22 09:11:26 but google buzz is what became of jaiku, and it looks like Google Wave had some love with jaiku and out came buzz Feb 22 09:11:42 work? im in uni... but yeah, no way im trying to go anywhere today ;) Feb 22 09:11:52 mavhc: I am not. Just commenting on the weird attraction people have to twitter et al Feb 22 09:11:52 buzz got my parents into social networking Feb 22 09:12:13 RST38h: "oh no, if you follow boring people then you read boring stuff", great argument Feb 22 09:13:28 inz, RST38h: just look at IRC. IRC is also about public instant messaging. Twitter is very much alike. No one has to care about what you write on a channel, but some people do.l Feb 22 09:13:37 RST38h: being an old fart means that all the "new" stuff people get excited over is seen to be a lame rehash. like most popular music Feb 22 09:13:43 ptl: IRC is different. You communicate here. Feb 22 09:14:00 pupnik: Indeed. Feb 22 09:14:03 pitty twitter doesn't have @replies or something Feb 22 09:14:15 pupnik: Although every now and then you can find a gem or two. Found one yesterday. Feb 22 09:14:46 music? Feb 22 09:14:55 RST38h: you also communicate in twitter! People reply to your tweets and such. And even if you don't, many people benefit from the announcements of some read-only tweets Feb 22 09:15:39 Morning, all Feb 22 09:15:41 everything before you were 5 is standard, 5-15 cool, 15-25 ok, 25-35 slightly odd, 35-death that stupid stuff all the kids are doing Feb 22 09:16:01 ptl: But Twitter is not really made for that. It is made for posting stupid update messages like "Took a shit!". In a way, it is a glorified IRC /away message Feb 22 09:16:22 who cares what it's made for, it's what its used for Feb 22 09:17:17 the web is not really made for that, it's for discussing scientific ideas. the internet is not really made for that, it's for the military Feb 22 09:17:38 you misspelt porn Feb 22 09:17:53 RST38h: it is made for whatever you want to use it Feb 22 09:17:56 people do that a lot in your world Feb 22 09:18:04 RST38h: there are many useful ways to use it... don't try and limit its scope Feb 22 09:18:06 rule 34 still applies Feb 22 09:18:28 only problem i have with twitter is people using hashtags as a damn irc channel instead of just using irc... :P Feb 22 09:18:30 ptl: It is already limited by the fact that it is a dumb web page where you post little messages Feb 22 09:18:35 RST38h: anyway, just notice that there are some people who DO useit for useful stuff - useful in the sense that they get something out of it. Feb 22 09:18:52 ptl: Maybe they do, no idea Feb 22 09:19:03 yet you're an expert on why it sucks Feb 22 09:19:09 I have not seen anything useful on twitter except for Stskeeps' Mer builder status maybe Feb 22 09:19:27 tigert: mauku is GREAT!!! Thanks for the advice! Feb 22 09:19:37 it can be vaguely useful to follow shared feeds at events/conferences Feb 22 09:20:43 RST38h: I like to express opinions on a number of things and my friends like reading my opinions - and vice versa. Why do you get angry when we use it like that? Do you really need to make us feel down because we like it? Feb 22 09:21:57 you're right if you say too many people waste their time with it Feb 22 09:22:27 I myself had to stop using twitter and identi.ca because I was too pressed by my work and my graduate course. Feb 22 09:22:34 but now that I graduated, I will start using it again Feb 22 09:23:07 ptl, RST38h, Twitter is like most Social Networking webapps - they have uses, but are usually horribly abused for inanity by the majority of people Feb 22 09:23:08 even though I just noticed buzz seems to do the same stuff but it is not as limited. Feb 22 09:23:18 hence, plenty of people just look down on users of them in general Feb 22 09:23:25 even if that's not justified Feb 22 09:23:26 jaem: lol, good way to put it Feb 22 09:23:55 anyway, mauku is great, too bad I can't decrease the font size Feb 22 09:24:12 and it supports twitter and identi.ca! Feb 22 09:29:14 ptl: cool Feb 22 09:29:53 you can probably hack some theme files to tweak the fonts Feb 22 09:30:28 I'll check Feb 22 09:30:32 is mauku free software? Feb 22 09:30:37 can't find its license Feb 22 09:30:41 ptl, AFAIK Feb 22 09:30:46 no its not Feb 22 09:30:49 oh? Feb 22 09:30:50 darn Feb 22 09:31:09 frals, what is it, then? Feb 22 09:31:15 some custom proprietary license? Feb 22 09:31:38 dunno, its closed at least, after that i didnt bother looking in to it anymore Feb 22 09:31:41 along those lines Feb 22 09:31:48 heya all Feb 22 09:31:53 hi wazd Feb 22 09:31:53 lo wazd Feb 22 09:32:25 frals, do you know who the author of Mauku is? Feb 22 09:32:42 http://maemo.org/packages/view/mauku/ Feb 22 09:33:08 frals, >_< sorry Feb 22 09:33:13 np ;) Feb 22 09:33:15 it's on extras-devel fremantle free Feb 22 09:33:22 my thinker isn't thinking properly right now Feb 22 09:33:34 my brain uses schedule-based throttling Feb 22 09:33:51 it's apache licenced atleast according to garage Feb 22 09:33:59 right now it's only at 605MegaThinks/second Feb 22 09:34:09 oh, used to be non-free im almost certain :p Feb 22 09:34:17 and yes, I had to pull out a calculator to divide 1.21G by 2 >_< Feb 22 09:34:19 * jaem is tired Feb 22 09:34:19 because i saw some discussion about it on -dev ML Feb 22 09:34:32 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7505 Feb 22 09:34:33 Bug 7505: Claims to be free, but ships no license and says 'You are NOT allowed to modify or redistribute the source code.' Feb 22 09:35:05 Mauku 2.0 Feb 22 09:35:06 Copyright (C) 2009 Henrik Hedberg Feb 22 09:35:06 Mauku 2.0 is NOT open source software. You are NOT allowed to Feb 22 09:35:06 modify or redistribute the source code. Feb 22 09:35:10 jaem, why didn't you just shift right ;) Feb 22 09:35:15 that's for mauku2 forr fremantle then Feb 22 09:35:27 /usr/share/doc/mauku/copyright Feb 22 09:35:41 inz, nggaaaaaaghhhh *brainsplort* Feb 22 09:35:49 sorry, I've been coding for too long without food Feb 22 09:36:13 All code and no food makes jaem a dull boy? Feb 22 09:36:16 Your application XChat Extra Locales 2.8.6-maemo14 didn't meet the QA criteria for promotion in Fremantle Extras-testing free armel. Feb 22 09:36:21 Eh? Feb 22 09:36:32 inz, yes, although sharper than I've been the rest of the week, surprisingly Feb 22 09:36:45 RST38h: no karma for you! Feb 22 09:37:08 of course, there was the time a couple of weeks ago where I coded straight for 8 hours to get an assignment done... and then blanked on my password for the submission server with two minutes to go Feb 22 09:37:24 ...I remembered it within ten minutes of getting up the next morning, but that wasn't good enough Feb 22 09:37:25 :( Feb 22 09:37:40 Corsac: Oh, it is not an "app" tha I would care to promote anyway Feb 22 09:37:48 But demoting it is certainly not right Feb 22 09:37:50 luckily, the prof took pity and docked me 20% instead of 100% Feb 22 09:39:27 Hi. Anyone using an N900 for SIP ? I have a little problem that I don't get Call Progress Tones when calling. I am using it with Asterisk Feb 22 09:40:39 How do I know where application manager will insert some app after installing it? The positioning on the application menu is anything but intuitive. Feb 22 09:42:02 ptl, which menu are you using? Feb 22 09:42:06 the stock one? Feb 22 09:42:11 yes Feb 22 09:42:15 ah, there's your problem Feb 22 09:42:18 it's lame Feb 22 09:42:20 install Catorise Feb 22 09:42:27 it's not alphabetical Feb 22 09:42:27 or another menu Feb 22 09:42:34 catorise does not allow for me to make my own categories, isn't it? Feb 22 09:42:40 I'd recommend Catorise, but there is another one that allows you to manually organize it Feb 22 09:42:41 no Feb 22 09:42:43 which one can I use besides Catorise? Feb 22 09:42:45 grrrrrrrrr i have a stupid problem with my game .... when i leave pygame while playing music with maemo 5 player ... pygame.mixer.quit() is freezing ... and seems waiting something ... any idea ? Feb 22 09:42:50 what is the name of the another one? Feb 22 09:42:51 I think the other one is called MyMenu, or some usch Feb 22 09:43:04 something fairly obviously-named, but I'm not sure exactly what Feb 22 09:43:05 Ok Feb 22 09:43:09 I haven't tried it Feb 22 09:43:11 I'll first test it under scratchbox Feb 22 09:43:34 sure Feb 22 09:44:29 Khertan: Welcome to PA bug Feb 22 09:44:39 Khertan: Or maybe I should say The Infamous PA Bug Feb 22 09:45:05 PA Bug ? Feb 22 09:45:13 Bug #5524 enjoy Feb 22 09:45:14 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5524 PulseAudio clients are muted and hang on exit when media player is playing music Feb 22 09:45:15 can't find mymenu Feb 22 09:45:42 oh ... thanks ... so it s not from my poor code : Feb 22 09:45:42 :) Feb 22 09:45:49 thx for pointing it me Feb 22 09:46:03 ptl, it might be in -testing - I've never used it, but I heard about it on t.m.o. Feb 22 09:46:07 usual caveats apply :) Feb 22 09:47:24 will check a bit more Feb 22 09:47:29 I have testing activated... Feb 22 09:47:36 Morning, all Feb 22 09:48:23 ptl, maybe search t.m.o. firts Feb 22 09:51:32 just read a discussion about MyMenu vs. Catorise Feb 22 09:51:44 MyMenu seems to wreak havoc on some users' phones Feb 22 09:51:49 RST38h: clearly it s a won't fix .... grrrr Feb 22 09:51:51 I'll try catorise then Feb 22 09:51:52 fucking policy ! Feb 22 09:53:21 ptl: so far, catorise is running fine for me! =) Feb 22 09:54:28 ptl, good to know Feb 22 09:54:46 is it just me or is maxximuscool on tmo a bit annoying? Feb 22 09:55:00 sar3th, for me also, although it's a bit glitchy if you activate it while a postinstall is updating it's structure in the background Feb 22 09:55:06 Khertan: It cannot be a wontfix, it is a bug Feb 22 09:55:16 nothing major, but if you happen to do that, it could be a bit confusing for newbies Feb 22 09:55:21 Khertan: If this one is a wontfix then I do not know what isn't Feb 22 09:55:25 Did you guys get camorama? that nifty app that does panoramic images Feb 22 09:55:34 jaem: yeah, then i get "no apps" iirc Feb 22 09:55:41 mece, a bit, but I haven't seen anything too bad Feb 22 09:56:03 ptl: not yet :O in which repo is it? Feb 22 09:56:10 sar3th, yeah, that could stand to be improved, although it doesn't impair operation - just usability Feb 22 09:56:12 sar3th: ovi store Feb 22 09:56:33 ptl, I've heard of it, I think - it's available for other platforms too, isn't it? Feb 22 09:56:51 sar3th: it's very nice. I tried to buy it but it seems they are not selling it yet. The 'trial' version only does VGA panoramas which is more than enough for making backgrounds for your N900. Feb 22 09:56:57 jaem: I dunno Feb 22 09:58:07 it's not camorama Feb 22 09:58:09 I confused names Feb 22 09:58:29 FWIW, today's MWKN is a "MeeGo special" - http://www.mwkn.net/ Feb 22 09:58:31 morning Feb 22 09:58:38 it's quickpanorama Feb 22 09:58:39 sorry Feb 22 09:58:43 Mhm...drop.maemo.org requires signatures again Feb 22 09:59:07 Jaffa: Why didn't you wait for any source code being released? :) Feb 22 09:59:08 RST38h: No. Feb 22 09:59:22 X-Fade: Well it does from me Feb 22 09:59:23 RST38h: Either sign with your key that is known, or don't sign. Feb 22 09:59:34 RST38h: But don't sign with an unkown key. Feb 22 09:59:42 RST38h: There's been some source code released Feb 22 10:00:05 X-Fade: Oh I know what it is: the default repo I have for drop.* is non-free :) Feb 22 10:00:22 RST38h: http://repo.meego.com/trunk/repo/ia32/os/ for example Feb 22 10:00:28 RST38h: moblin sources are available Feb 22 10:00:32 RST38h: meh Feb 22 10:00:38 hrw: you bet :) Feb 22 10:00:53 Jaffa: Aha, so it has started Feb 22 10:01:04 RST38h: I think that wwe need to wait for harmattan release to get first nokia code drop Feb 22 10:01:24 hrw: More like first alpha sdk release Feb 22 10:01:29 jaem, well I didn't mean he was a douche. He seems to mean well, but damn he just says all the wrong things. Feb 22 10:01:32 and pray that it will be complete set of deps Feb 22 10:02:34 what will we have in the place of scratchbox? Feb 22 10:02:44 how will we test/emulate the environment? Feb 22 10:02:46 ptl: OBS apparently Feb 22 10:03:02 Although I am still unclear on how OBS works locally: all the talk is mostly about remote building Feb 22 10:03:04 mece, true. I've talked with him a bit. Feb 22 10:03:16 has anyone managed to compile a more current version of qemu for and using scratchbox? Feb 22 10:03:18 RST38h, my question exactly Feb 22 10:03:26 RST38h: OBS has something like the N900 environment running on my ubuntu? Feb 22 10:03:45 ptl: I asked about Ubuntu, apparently yes, it is possible Feb 22 10:03:52 ptl: Not sure how easy though Feb 22 10:04:01 ptl, any idea about Arch? Feb 22 10:04:29 I like Ubuntu, overall, but ideally I don't want to have to run it *just* for building, on the machine that I build on Feb 22 10:04:47 and sbox on Arch, well, isn't really possible without a chroot Feb 22 10:05:01 at least, as far I as I could tell without losing my sanity Feb 22 10:05:09 jaem: I dunno, I don't have any answers for this. I mentioned Ubuntu because that's what they support with Maemo 5 and that's what I use. Feb 22 10:05:37 ptl, yeah, I asked just in case Feb 22 10:06:04 realistically, I may end up setting up distcc on my roommate's dual-Xeon desktop, rather than building directly on his server Feb 22 10:06:08 ...it's rather faster :) Feb 22 10:06:13 I can't say it was the best possible strategy to confine your programming environment into a single Linux distribution, but my linuxgeek side was very pleased with that Feb 22 10:06:17 and in that case, Ubuntu is not more trouble Feb 22 10:07:03 but if they want popularity I think they should make it work in e.g. mac OS X or Windows, or at least provide a downloadable VMWare/virtualbox image with the environment completely set up. Feb 22 10:07:19 meego in a vm should be entirely possible Feb 22 10:07:24 they do have a complete VM available already Feb 22 10:07:25 mornin maemo \o Feb 22 10:07:27 they have for ages Feb 22 10:07:28 lcuk, hi Feb 22 10:07:29 wasn't 1.2 due this week? Feb 22 10:07:32 * jaem waves Feb 22 10:07:38 do they? Feb 22 10:07:41 yes Feb 22 10:07:46 ptl, yeah, since at least Diablo Feb 22 10:07:47 but just a vmware image =( Feb 22 10:07:51 Didn't notice it when I was following the guide to install scratchbox and the SDK Feb 22 10:08:00 must have missed it. Feb 22 10:08:01 RST38h: but clearly the fix they do, doesn't fix the problem Feb 22 10:08:07 sar3th, well, you can convert the images, I believe, although it's probably a bit slow to do Feb 22 10:08:18 ptl, just Google "Maemo VMWare" or some such Feb 22 10:08:19 RST38h: and there are happy with their fix Feb 22 10:08:21 it should be easy to find Feb 22 10:08:33 RST38h: but yes i agree ... it s clearly a bug Feb 22 10:08:39 lcuk, what's your take on the fake multitouch thread from yesterday? Feb 22 10:08:57 it was you who did the video demo, wasn't it? Feb 22 10:09:10 jaem: but not easy to download .... as large file, poor server ... connection always reset in the middle of the downlaod Feb 22 10:09:46 Khertan, hmm... I didn't have that issue here. I would have liked to mirror it somewhere faster for my research team, but... licensing :/ Feb 22 10:10:07 I have a fast server, but not enough data as-is to make it public even if mirroring was allowed Feb 22 10:10:36 Khertan: No, they have not understood the problem and have not TRIED to understand Feb 22 10:11:09 RST38h: focused on meego i suppose Feb 22 10:11:09 ...and then our ISP in Residence borked some of the network config, and traffic to the university campus was painfully slow for months... I had to sneakernet the VM over there Feb 22 10:11:36 jaem: i ve try from work or home ... same result Feb 22 10:11:54 Khertan: Just unwilling to do the hard work, I guess :( Feb 22 10:12:00 Khertan, where are you at? Feb 22 10:12:12 jaem: France Feb 22 10:12:22 jaem, its integrated in liqbase already but its not as 100% full use as desired because of corner cases, great other people are investigating what i did last year Feb 22 10:12:28 but anyway i didn't need it ... Feb 22 10:12:29 ah, I'm in Vancouver-ish, Canada, and it wasn't that bad here Feb 22 10:12:33 although definitely not good Feb 22 10:12:47 link to it, i spotted it and was gonna comment but sleep was more important Feb 22 10:12:47 i made my own vm Feb 22 10:13:03 any assumptions on PR1.2 release? Feb 22 10:13:07 ISP hassle reminded me... Google now has it's own DNS servers. I started using them and youtube now works great for me (which wasn't the case before). :) Feb 22 10:13:12 lcuk, yeah, it's a neat idea. How practical is it in terms of usability for newbies, though? Feb 22 10:13:16 I haven't actually tried Feb 22 10:13:39 lcuk, are you asking me to link to it, or stating that you intend to? Feb 22 10:13:47 no i need the link Feb 22 10:13:51 oh, sure Feb 22 10:13:53 give me a sec Feb 22 10:13:56 i spotted it in vaispy Feb 22 10:14:01 but slept since Feb 22 10:14:35 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=540343 Feb 22 10:14:39 what's vaispy? Feb 22 10:15:32 jaem, live updating most recent comments across all boards and threads - nice to use http://talk.maemo.org/vaispy.php Feb 22 10:15:47 oh, nice Feb 22 10:16:05 god, fsck on a encrypted hd takes ages Feb 22 10:16:26 moo, lcuk Feb 22 10:16:39 Stskeeps: Why encrypt hds? Feb 22 10:17:32 cos i do have data that i don't want to have fallen in the wrong hands? Feb 22 10:18:14 You can encrypt just that data Feb 22 10:18:47 quite a big fs to compress :) Feb 22 10:19:12 anyway, i need it cos it is professionally sane. Feb 22 10:20:07 * w00t_ encrypts Stskeeps Feb 22 10:20:23 Stskeeps: why would it take longer than on a non-encrypted? Feb 22 10:20:29 Stskeeps, http://xkcd.com/538/ Feb 22 10:20:29 ~rot13 Stskeeps Feb 22 10:20:30 Fgfxrrcf Feb 22 10:20:30 Stskeeps: most of the time is in seeks anyway Feb 22 10:20:46 SpeedEvil: dunno, it does take a while atm Feb 22 10:20:50 ~rot13 Fgfxrrcf Feb 22 10:20:50 Stskeeps Feb 22 10:20:52 Under careful and long consideration we have decided to bring the MeeGo platform to the n900 device <<< huhu Feb 22 10:20:53 :) Feb 22 10:21:02 Khertan, what's this? Feb 22 10:21:09 Khertan: troll Feb 22 10:21:16 it s seems Feb 22 10:21:17 Khertan: misinformation by someone Feb 22 10:21:27 yep i know ... Feb 22 10:22:05 ~rot520 foo Feb 22 10:22:05 foo Feb 22 10:22:11 bar? Feb 22 10:22:22 but it make me laught that some people try to make rumors like this one Feb 22 10:22:40 Khertan, for some value of laugh Feb 22 10:22:45 trying to get a job at nokia marketing Feb 22 10:22:47 tmo is full of misinformation and stupid statement Feb 22 10:22:52 yup Feb 22 10:22:55 which is sad Feb 22 10:23:22 not sad, human Feb 22 10:23:23 Khertan: rumour - haeh? What rumour? Feb 22 10:23:43 oh I see it now Feb 22 10:23:49 but i still didn't understand what the moblin/maemo merge will be for us maemo lover Feb 22 10:23:50 khertan was there a thread to that? Feb 22 10:23:53 But I already suggested a merit-based or invitation-based forum before and nobody bit Feb 22 10:23:58 url? Feb 22 10:24:02 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=540670#post540670 Feb 22 10:24:11 Khertan: It is classified. :) Feb 22 10:25:00 RST38h: classified as ... top secret ... or classified as already put in box in the closed and abandonned project room Feb 22 10:25:02 :) Feb 22 10:25:26 BOTH. Feb 22 10:25:30 Khertan: thanks Feb 22 10:26:35 9 thanks from 300 thanks on one post.. Feb 22 10:28:41 Kim Jong Il is building himself a space ship: http://www.flickr.com/photos/46579888@N02/4323389888/ Feb 22 10:28:58 bwahaha Feb 22 10:29:04 Must be his escape vehicle Feb 22 10:29:07 is FSB funding it? Feb 22 10:29:09 :) Feb 22 10:29:38 No idea, but it is being built by Egyptians Feb 22 10:29:45 So, might as well be his tomb Feb 22 10:29:53 I was going to say... Feb 22 10:30:19 Khertan: it may teach a fair few people to not just take everything they read on forums for damn granted. Feb 22 10:30:36 tybollt: hihi Feb 22 10:30:39 of course Feb 22 10:30:57 i believe only in myself ... but not all the time :) Feb 22 10:31:10 all those facebook groups Feb 22 10:31:37 <_berto_> wow, I didn't know they resumed the work on that hotel Feb 22 10:31:41 facebook ? haha ... the things where i create an account ... didn't see any interests ... leave Feb 22 10:32:08 how did you leave facebook Khertan ? Feb 22 10:32:25 Khertan: there was an outrage because someone made a group "SAVE THE CHILDREN, I DONATE 1 DOLLAR FOR EACH MEMBER" and then when 951589023903 Feb 22 10:32:39 KILL. Feb 22 10:32:40 lcuk: sending a insulting email :) Feb 22 10:32:44 joined he changed the name of the group to "We who want to make childprn legal" Feb 22 10:33:08 tybollt, O_o Feb 22 10:33:31 lcuk: you can't do it yourself ... just insult the facebook team ... they will delete your account Feb 22 10:33:36 :) Feb 22 10:33:46 Khertan, well, you can now... ostensibly Feb 22 10:33:53 the Canadian government got mad at them Feb 22 10:34:02 jaem: ah ... maybe it s new Feb 22 10:34:03 :) Feb 22 10:34:23 1 Feb 22 10:34:25 although I can't actually vouch for it, as I haven't checked; they say it can take up to 14 days, and if you log in in that time, it's automatically reactivated :/ Feb 22 10:34:34 so you can't even check if they've killed it for two weeks, yourself Feb 22 10:34:39 and I've forgotten to since then Feb 22 10:34:42 FB is kind of evil Feb 22 10:35:00 no no ... Feb 22 10:35:07 not a kind ... it s evil Feb 22 10:35:09 :) Feb 22 10:35:21 true Feb 22 10:37:33 wow, the RPM vs. DEB discussion on the meego-dev mailing list is reaching a very nice tone... Feb 22 10:37:41 and very high level Feb 22 10:37:43 I like it! Feb 22 10:37:52 oh? Feb 22 10:37:59 ptl, is that sarcasm? Feb 22 10:38:01 no Feb 22 10:38:04 oh Feb 22 10:38:05 wow Feb 22 10:38:06 good Feb 22 10:38:07 it's right at the "zOMG U SUX, I R0X!1111" levelor? Feb 22 10:38:20 level or* Feb 22 10:38:27 no, I was not being ironic Feb 22 10:38:29 the intel guys *are* responding Feb 22 10:38:42 tybollt, also, your '1' to '!' ratio is a bit high, even for that level Feb 22 10:38:43 :) Feb 22 10:38:45 and people are being able to tell them that these closed doors decision is not healthy. Feb 22 10:38:50 awesome Feb 22 10:39:15 meego ... smelt like ... go in the wall ! Feb 22 10:39:35 on the N900 it would be 'l' to '!' ratio Feb 22 10:41:23 here it'd be h to ! Feb 22 10:41:53 hmm Feb 22 10:42:21 does anyone else here have a habit of single-quoting chars and double-quoting strings in their normal everyday writing? Feb 22 10:42:21 meego result will do that only atom phone will be constructed ... with a back bag for the battery ... just to be able to have 1 hour of autonomy Feb 22 10:42:34 I realized that I do that automatically a few months back XD Feb 22 10:42:42 Khertan, oh my Feb 22 10:42:45 :) Feb 22 10:42:57 they explicitly *said* that it wouldn't be x86 only Feb 22 10:42:58 idiots Feb 22 10:43:07 hihi i know Feb 22 10:43:21 meego isn't just a trolling community ? Feb 22 10:43:28 it is, it is! Feb 22 10:43:38 what's almost worse are the people who aren't blatantly trolling, and still can't read the FAQs before making sensationalist posts Feb 22 10:43:40 jaem: I don't usually quote chars in my everyday writing Feb 22 10:43:42 what's a format of these virtual machines with n900 sdk? Feb 22 10:43:44 reminds me of Lord of the Rings... s-meego-l Feb 22 10:44:23 not really a troll, more like a deranged hobbit. Feb 22 10:44:31 when i see all mail exchanged .... it s make me feeling that the merge of the community will be a failure if all this troll doesn't stop Feb 22 10:44:54 Corsac, well, when you do, though? Feb 22 10:45:25 Khertan, yeah... hmm... it was bad enough when the first wave of noobs/trolls hit us after the N900 launch Feb 22 10:45:38 jaem: yep Feb 22 10:45:43 and that hadn't completely died down to "normal" levels by the time MeeGo was announced Feb 22 10:45:45 jaem: I guess I would single quote them, but I really never do that :) Feb 22 10:45:49 hehe Feb 22 10:45:51 i like how the community was before the launch of the n900 Feb 22 10:45:54 yeah Feb 22 10:46:07 even with the crazy speculation a while before, it was at least sane Feb 22 10:46:34 and you could generally count on at least post_max-1 of the posts on the Recent list being something that wasn't inane Feb 22 10:46:35 for example ... i didn't read anymore talk ... or when i did it ... it s just for laughting Feb 22 10:46:46 I still do, but it's a once-a-week thing now :( Feb 22 10:48:36 jaem: example : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=399344#post399344 Feb 22 10:48:36 : Feb 22 10:48:38 :) Feb 22 10:48:55 do I *want* to know :S Feb 22 10:49:52 * Khertan is waiting maemo package promoter .... :) Feb 22 10:50:12 so VectorMine 1.0.4 will be available in few minutes in extras testing :) Feb 22 10:51:38 Khertan, highlight the keyboard controls somehow - i didnt know i could move away from centre until i tried ctrl-backspacing out and saw it move a fraction Feb 22 10:52:19 lcuk: it s write in help Feb 22 10:52:22 :) Feb 22 10:52:43 * lcuk didnt see help i was happy blowing things up from the centre :p Feb 22 10:52:44 ctrl is enough for trusting Feb 22 10:52:51 héhé Feb 22 10:53:05 Khertan, yikes... I didn't know that thread had gotten so out of hand Feb 22 10:53:09 although I could have guessed Feb 22 10:53:13 I purposely avoided it Feb 22 10:53:18 Khertan, what is vectormine? Feb 22 10:53:33 so i should add a short message when starting a party to say what control is availavle Feb 22 10:53:44 lcuk: you have teleport on key m too :) Feb 22 10:54:00 http://khertan.net/softwares_en.html <<-- vectormine Feb 22 10:54:06 a shareware game from me Feb 22 10:54:07 :) Feb 22 10:54:08 * lcuk looks forward to testing this new capability later Feb 22 10:54:28 but be carreful ... teleport can teleport on ennemy too :) Feb 22 10:54:39 *gasp* shareware! Oh noez ;) Feb 22 10:54:45 just kidding, I may try it out Feb 22 10:54:51 I like some of your other stuff Feb 22 10:54:52 there isn't any ftl calculation to avoid landing on a cylon star :) Feb 22 10:55:18 jaem: i m trying if shareware game can be a success on maemo Feb 22 10:55:27 if not ... i ll return to my developpers tools :) Feb 22 10:55:33 Khertan, what sort of shareware? Feb 22 10:55:38 limited time? demo? Feb 22 10:55:42 limited time Feb 22 10:55:56 personally, I have no issue in principle with paying for software Feb 22 10:56:09 and I'd gladly pay you a Euro or two if I liked the game Feb 22 10:56:31 jaem: but it s an old school game ... Feb 22 10:56:39 a clone of MineStorm for Vectrex :) Feb 22 10:57:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VYHi5pxjas Feb 22 10:57:13 for me, the issue is twofold - without a credit card, even PayPal is rather inconvenient, and also, I don't like the commercial atmosphere (e.g. paying $10-20 for every little Windows utility you may not even end up using) Feb 22 10:57:22 oldskool does not mean unplayable. Feb 22 10:57:26 this doesn't fall under the latter Feb 22 10:57:35 a poor video with a poor phone :) Feb 22 10:58:04 jaem: i ll like to put it on ovi ... but not possible today ... so i use paypal Feb 22 10:58:09 but Free Software is nice for convenience and simplicity, even apart from the Freedom aspect Feb 22 10:58:16 yeah, well, PayPal is the only method I can use, anyway Feb 22 10:58:32 if I had a credit card, I would probably donate to various projects periodically Feb 22 10:58:42 but it's just too much of a bother to use most of the time Feb 22 10:58:49 and I'm a starving student :) Feb 22 10:58:51 why not get prepaid? Feb 22 10:58:57 prepaid ? Feb 22 10:59:10 N900evil, because prepaid credit cards tend to have all manner of nasty fine print, from what I've seen Feb 22 10:59:20 sometimes. Feb 22 10:59:35 mine only has somewhat nasty fees. Feb 22 10:59:38 I looked into one, but not only did you have to maintain a balance, but they had about three pages of miscellaneous fees attached to it, too Feb 22 11:00:14 given that I'm a student, it's more practical to wait ~6-8 business days for PayPal to process a transaction than to worry about fees and balances Feb 22 11:00:41 * Arif_ yawns Feb 22 11:00:49 http://maemo.org/packages/view/vectormine/ <-- hum ... icon doesn't show up Feb 22 11:00:50 :( Feb 22 11:00:50 the only financial contribution I have made was buying the Arch Linux necklace Feb 22 11:00:54 which is shiny :) Feb 22 11:01:01 but I'd like to donate to more FOSS projects Feb 22 11:01:17 I should stop waking up so early Feb 22 11:01:18 o.O Feb 22 11:01:26 given that you are a student, you should be able to offer alternatives to payment, ie supplying media and artwork to projects or dev help triaging or fixing bugs, or even just hosting the odd game of beerpong Feb 22 11:01:30 jaem ^ Feb 22 11:01:37 Khertan: i got the same problems for all my packages there Feb 22 11:01:43 ah Feb 22 11:02:07 i saw someone else mention it as well yesterday Feb 22 11:02:11 frals: it s working for http://maemo.org/packages/view/pygtkeditor/ Feb 22 11:02:16 lcuk, agreed. And I do try to do the basics like bugs and such. However, I'm only recently getting to the point where I can lookat sending patches and such, and I'm not really any good with media/art/design Feb 22 11:02:22 but package is older Feb 22 11:02:32 whats up with unzip package? Feb 22 11:02:32 X-Fade: icons not showing up at http://maemo.org/packages/view/vectormine/ http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms/, any clue whats wrong? Feb 22 11:02:35 seems its missing from repo? Feb 22 11:02:42 oops Feb 22 11:02:48 the first patch I submitted was a 1-char diff ;) Feb 22 11:02:54 it was rather amusing Feb 22 11:02:57 frals: I'll look into it. Feb 22 11:03:20 * tigert starts networking before apt-getting again Feb 22 11:03:25 lol tigert Feb 22 11:03:27 X-Fade: cheers Feb 22 11:03:33 tigert, that generally helps Feb 22 11:03:37 it does :) Feb 22 11:03:41 X-Fade: in the same time did you have take a look at link problem for bug tracker ? : http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_non-free_armel/vectormine/1.0.4-1/khertan@khertan.net Feb 22 11:03:42 :) Feb 22 11:03:56 unless your distro works by magic instead of technology Feb 22 11:04:19 which reminds me... I should finish the chapter on the Aether in that wireless comms textbook I have Feb 22 11:04:34 :) Yay for 1920's books from book-sales Feb 22 11:05:09 "The Aether exists! Honestly! You may have heard of the recent theory of relativity, but Einstein's crazy"... (paraphrased) Feb 22 11:05:38 and rather out of context Feb 22 11:05:45 but that's more or less how silly it was Feb 22 11:05:51 Couldn't resist voicing my opinion to the Intel guy on 'community' Feb 22 11:06:05 ptl, on the mailing list previously mentioned, you mean? Feb 22 11:06:08 jaem, im pulling your leg Feb 22 11:06:15 jaem: yes Feb 22 11:06:22 participation here and discussion is just as important Feb 22 11:06:26 meego-dev Feb 22 11:06:36 lcuk, yes, but that doesn't make what you said untrue Feb 22 11:06:53 *nod* Feb 22 11:06:57 I just have too many things on the go usually, and not enough time Feb 22 11:07:05 although the time issue is largely my fault Feb 22 11:07:29 between time working, and time *ostensibly* working, I have very little free time... if you catch my drift ;) Feb 22 11:08:10 it's easier to allow oneself to be distracted a lot than to purposely and blatantly procrastinate Feb 22 11:08:25 which leads to much time being /wasted/ rather than productively "misused" Feb 22 11:08:46 ...I've always liked to make that distinction, but when I was a little kid, it wasn't appreciated ;) Feb 22 11:08:47 haha Feb 22 11:09:19 * nid0 twiddles his thumbs Feb 22 11:09:28 * jaem declares a thumb-war Feb 22 11:09:39 * jaem pins nid0's thumb Feb 22 11:09:42 \o/ Feb 22 11:09:45 * nid0 cries Feb 22 11:09:52 * jaem offers a rematch Feb 22 11:10:01 * nid0 prefers knuckles Feb 22 11:10:11 * jaem cries just to get it out of the way Feb 22 11:10:36 okay... so... I was using my laptop in bed this morning... Feb 22 11:10:58 * ptl curls all his fingers and toes to protect them Feb 22 11:11:06 and when I got up to go shower, I somehow managed to tangle both of my big toes in a loop of the headphone cord, and nearly fell flat on my face into a pile of circuit boards, getting out of bed Feb 22 11:11:13 fail :( Feb 22 11:11:35 it actually would have been pretty funny to watch, I think, but I kind of wrenched my back Feb 22 11:11:59 If you died from that, it would be a very nerdy death Feb 22 11:12:12 ptl, I suppose Feb 22 11:12:14 you could even attend the darwin awards Feb 22 11:12:17 but that's hardly comforting Feb 22 11:12:25 ptl, in a coffin? Feb 22 11:12:26 not comforting at all. :P Feb 22 11:12:35 no, but it was amusing, nonetheless Feb 22 11:13:01 I'm not a klutz across the board, but my moments are dumb enough that my friends tend to mock me Feb 22 11:13:02 jaem: the darwin awards is for people who die of... well... not so well thought actions. So being in a coffin qualifies you to participate Feb 22 11:13:07 ptl, yeah, I know Feb 22 11:13:28 I'm glad I didn't injure myself Feb 22 11:13:50 I have a couple of times, doing stupid things, and it's always the same first aid guy from Campus Security who comes out Feb 22 11:14:03 and he always makes fun of me Feb 22 11:14:09 :P Feb 22 11:14:37 I do stupid things all the time. Yesterday I just turned my back when I was at the side of a barbed wire. Feb 22 11:14:51 ouch Feb 22 11:15:17 well, I had an incident with a traffic light and a dull-but-serrated knife in my kitchen last year Feb 22 11:15:22 that was fun, let me tell you Feb 22 11:15:48 the splash zone was wide enough to cover roughly half of the dorm floor kitchen Feb 22 11:15:52 from the description it seems a weird kind of 'fun'... Feb 22 11:15:52 ^^ Feb 22 11:16:00 ptl, Feb 22 11:16:47 the funny part was sliding onto the couch spurting blood, with a bloody knife on the ground and blood all over the place, and watching someone come in and freak out Feb 22 11:17:09 I had enough presence of mind to ask someone to grab my camera out of my cargo pocket and take a picture :P Feb 22 11:17:18 for a small finger wound, it really did make a lot of mess Feb 22 11:18:03 ...that's about all I'll say on that subject, though :) Feb 22 11:18:05 where does the traffic light come into it? Feb 22 11:18:17 or is that the type of cocktail you'd been drinking? Feb 22 11:18:19 lardman, it was in the kitchen Feb 22 11:18:26 the green light, to be specific Feb 22 11:18:27 jaem, wtf? Feb 22 11:18:42 do you have a green traffic light in the kitchen? Feb 22 11:18:43 +1 Feb 22 11:18:47 mece, I'm an engineer! Feb 22 11:18:55 ptl, well, I brought it into the kitchen Feb 22 11:19:21 so you could better aim for a vein? Feb 22 11:19:28 it had been "decommissioned" by a neighbouring city, and come into the possession of a high school electronics teacher I knew Feb 22 11:19:30 he had a whole box Feb 22 11:19:41 oh I see Feb 22 11:19:49 lardman, no, the stabbing part was accidental Feb 22 11:19:53 but what does that have to do with your self-stabbing? Feb 22 11:20:03 lardman, um... Feb 22 11:20:10 * lardman needs more caffeine for this conversation ;) Feb 22 11:20:11 it attacked me? Feb 22 11:20:19 jaem, did you get into a knife fight with the trafficlight? Feb 22 11:20:23 it's a good thing it wasn't a *red* traffic light Feb 22 11:20:30 those are vicious *shudders* Feb 22 11:20:33 If the light wasn't green, I would think he could have trespassed the red light. Feb 22 11:20:33 mece, yes Feb 22 11:20:49 or you might have just continued cooking not realising the blood was there? Feb 22 11:20:50 jaem, I hate when that happens. Feb 22 11:20:58 mece, me too Feb 22 11:21:05 lardman, well, the blood was pretty obvious Feb 22 11:21:11 as I said, large splash zone Feb 22 11:21:12 only kidding Feb 22 11:21:18 but no one was using that half of the kitchen Feb 22 11:21:24 so no food was spoilt :) Feb 22 11:21:29 what is this world coming to when you can't even trust grean lights with knives? Feb 22 11:21:33 green too Feb 22 11:21:42 sigh... I don't know Feb 22 11:22:08 Halloween was shortly after this, and I gave the traffic light a black mask, and armed it with the knife Feb 22 11:22:10 * lardman looks out the window and sees real-time flow visualisation Feb 22 11:22:25 grrrr paypal have change some img link Feb 22 11:22:26 ...it was some time after this that I remembered to clean the dried blood off of the light bezel >_< Feb 22 11:22:26 grrrrr Feb 22 11:22:31 ~20mph wind + snow Feb 22 11:22:50 snow? Feb 22 11:22:56 lardman, what resolution is your window running liqflow at? Feb 22 11:22:58 the sun is killing me already Feb 22 11:23:03 and it's 8 in the morning Feb 22 11:23:06 ptl, bah - we don't have sun here Feb 22 11:23:18 jaem: eye res and my viewport is 4x4m Feb 22 11:23:34 today will be very difficult. I'd rather lock myself in my bedroom and turn on the air conditioning at maximum power. Feb 22 11:23:39 my university has three seasons: 2 weeks of winter, 1 month of summer, and the rest of the year is... sort of... gray, and miserable Feb 22 11:23:51 s/university/UK Feb 22 11:23:53 The sun here is miserable Feb 22 11:24:04 I can't even use the N900's touchscreen with sweaty fingers Feb 22 11:24:04 ptl, if you pay my airfare, I can come lock you in, so you can claim it wasn't your fault Feb 22 11:24:05 tho' a month is pushing it there Feb 22 11:24:19 lardman, this is Burnaby, BC, Canada Feb 22 11:24:22 next to Vancouver Feb 22 11:24:30 and up on a hill/mountain Feb 22 11:25:01 I am already sweating and I'm shirtless at 30 cm from the fan Feb 22 11:25:22 jaem: ah ok, just sounds like here too :) Feb 22 11:25:30 lardman, fun fog last year: http://gallery.dalefloer.com/main.php?g2_itemId=2925 Feb 22 11:25:38 that's all we could see for a day or two Feb 22 11:25:43 and that wasn't the worst of it Feb 22 11:25:53 everything below the campus was just... gone Feb 22 11:26:00 cool :) Feb 22 11:26:15 these cold environments might be depressive and such Feb 22 11:26:24 but having too much sun and warmth is not good either Feb 22 11:26:30 you can't even think properly Feb 22 11:26:42 yeah, girls come out half-naked Feb 22 11:26:51 lol Feb 22 11:27:03 but you can't get to them anyway because you'd be sweating like a pig Feb 22 11:27:08 ptl: I can handle cold weather better than heat. Feb 22 11:27:14 ptl: where the hell are you? :) Feb 22 11:27:26 Veggen: me too Feb 22 11:27:38 tybollt: Brazil... and not in a specially warm area of brazil, I am in the southeast Feb 22 11:27:42 I'd prefer to be in Oz right now rather than here in the UK Feb 22 11:27:52 Tho I must admit that after two months with snow-covered ground, fresh snow today, and no end in sight, Im getting a bit tired of it ;) Feb 22 11:27:54 and you people talk about cold weather... it's -20 degC over here... could you handle that? :) Feb 22 11:27:54 though the swirling snow looks quite cool from behind glass Feb 22 11:28:01 lardman: 50% chance of skin cancer Feb 22 11:28:04 tybollt: my ex-fiancée was from Natal, 3000km north of here, much closer to the equator Feb 22 11:28:09 lardman: Sure you want it? Feb 22 11:28:18 tybollt: ok, has only been down to around -15 here, this winter. Feb 22 11:28:18 tybollt: it's not the cold per-se, more the grey and dull days and the damp Feb 22 11:28:41 RST38h: yeah, my Mum's Australian, I tend to go there a fair bit Feb 22 11:28:50 Ah Feb 22 11:29:11 tybollt: though, with not much air humidity, -20 degC isn't that cold. Lowest I've been camping in (with tent) is around -25. Feb 22 11:29:48 ptl: londrina? sau paulo? brazilia? bello horizonte? Feb 22 11:30:12 hmm... speaking of my campus reminds me Feb 22 11:30:17 I want to go to sau paulo to visit the favela Feb 22 11:30:20 hard core :D Feb 22 11:30:20 does anyone recognize this building: http://gallery.dalefloer.com/main.php?g2_itemId=3037 ? Feb 22 11:30:21 :) Feb 22 11:30:30 it's not the best picture Feb 22 11:30:43 but picture it with a large particle cannon on the roof Feb 22 11:30:58 or possibly this one: http://gallery.dalefloer.com/main.php?g2_itemId=3034 Feb 22 11:31:08 on a certain colony planet :) Feb 22 11:31:26 tybollt: Campinas, 92km from Sao Paulo Feb 22 11:31:28 jaem: Nope, don't recognise it Feb 22 11:31:36 Jaffa, http://gallery.dalefloer.com/main.php?g2_itemId=1340 Feb 22 11:31:38 does that help? Feb 22 11:32:06 jaem: Ah, yes. BSG location for Caprica scenes Feb 22 11:32:10 yep Feb 22 11:32:21 and the first one (our library) was used in some other Sci-Fi Feb 22 11:32:25 Stargate, I think, for one Feb 22 11:32:29 but I haven't actually seen it Feb 22 11:32:34 ptl: ah... Feb 22 11:32:43 Ask for licences to be resent <<< does grammar is ok ? Feb 22 11:32:47 ptl: plenty bonita for you (lucky basterd ;) Feb 22 11:32:47 Hmm, yes. May have been where an advanced race of humans had their court. Not the Ashen, the something else. Feb 22 11:32:52 Khertan: re-sent. Feb 22 11:32:56 thx Feb 22 11:33:00 Khertan, I resent your license! Feb 22 11:33:18 ? Feb 22 11:33:25 tybollt: where are you from anyway? Feb 22 11:33:27 Khertan, it's not Free enough :P Feb 22 11:33:29 just kidding Feb 22 11:33:32 ah lol Feb 22 11:33:33 :) Feb 22 11:33:34 Veggen: and you? these very low temperatures scare me. Feb 22 11:33:47 ptl: .se :) Have friend in sao paulo Feb 22 11:33:50 jaem: The Tollan - http://www.gateworld.net/wiki/images/thumb/e/e5/Tollan.jpg/300px-Tollan.jpg Feb 22 11:33:54 Jaffa, the building where BSG was shot (the Academic Quadrangle, which is sort of built into the hill a bit, with a bunch of big lecture halls coming off the 4 concourses underneath what you see) is rather iconic Feb 22 11:34:01 _had_ friend Feb 22 11:34:06 Jaffa, that'd be it Feb 22 11:34:35 Jaffa, the pond you see in the AQ shot has been drained for a while, though, which is sad Feb 22 11:34:49 we normally throw profs into it around this time of year (after breaking the ice) to raise money Feb 22 11:34:54 ...for charity Feb 22 11:34:54 :) Feb 22 11:34:55 all good fun Feb 22 11:35:12 we being the engineers and compies Feb 22 11:36:31 ... I'm not sure where they've put the fish Feb 22 11:36:46 watching them wrestle the large ones into buckets was entertaining Feb 22 11:36:53 anyhow, waaaay off-topic Feb 22 11:39:59 Jaffa: depending on the prof - you might raise more money throwing them into the mud. Feb 22 11:42:04 SpeedEvil, harharhar... it's not so much mud as a centimetre or so of dubious filth overtop of concrete, with a good two foot drop Feb 22 11:42:10 so that would probably end poorly Feb 22 11:42:25 and the point is to make them suffer in the cold water in Februrary Feb 22 11:42:41 which the people who do the throwing do an admirable job of :) Feb 22 11:51:47 Youhou ! Feb 22 11:51:59 resend keys now works too on my website Feb 22 11:52:34 if anyone is interested on making custom paiement method on his website ... i can provide some script which do it Feb 22 11:52:44 (with paypal only) Feb 22 11:52:55 and deliver registration code automatically for shareware Feb 22 11:55:59 does anyone know which git repository this package is pulled from? http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/qt4-maemo5-declarative/4.6.2~git20100212-4maemo1/ Feb 22 11:56:07 someone in #plasma is trying to locate it Feb 22 11:56:57 jaem, tried qt gitorious? Feb 22 11:57:51 Terje1, I haven't, but the person asking said he tried there, under all applicable branches Feb 22 11:58:22 Terje1, steveire was the one asking Feb 22 11:58:34 jaem, then the only option left is an internal repository. Feb 22 11:59:12 hmm... okay Feb 22 12:17:38 yes hello Feb 22 12:19:57 night, all Feb 22 12:24:43 anyone had luck using joikuspot beta? it seems to run and start fine but on my laptop, iwlist wlan0 scan reports no scan results. Feb 22 12:27:22 mh. nevermind. relaunched, and now it shows up. uses a different essid then the one I entered and still cant associate but its there Feb 22 12:34:02 hmm, first time my n900 rebooted itself just like that, just listening to fm radio Feb 22 12:38:57 jaem, then the only option left is an internal repository. What do you mean by that? Feb 22 12:39:14 A repo that is not published? Feb 22 12:39:26 By nokia or someone else? Feb 22 12:41:14 Still no update for people in the UK. That sucks. Feb 22 12:41:32 thats nokia for you Feb 22 12:41:50 flash to the global firmware so you dont carry on getting stitched up from now to eternity, imo Feb 22 12:41:58 yep Feb 22 12:42:06 may have to Feb 22 12:42:07 steveire: I think uploads are being done by someone from qt in australia. Feb 22 12:45:19 steveire: in Brisbane, to be precise, where I am Feb 22 12:45:56 crashanddie: Visit the park at the uni already? Feb 22 12:46:02 X-Fade: nha Feb 22 12:46:08 X-Fade: btw, I work for QT Feb 22 12:46:14 crashanddie: Ah ;) Feb 22 12:46:18 but nah, joikuspot doesnt do the job for now. worked for a minute eating 20%cpu and making xorg eat the rest of the cpu and made the device reboot after 3 minutes after crashing once Feb 22 12:46:25 crashanddie: Well, was there a few months ago on holiday. Feb 22 12:46:34 well, not the same as the one you're thinking... Queensland Transport :P Feb 22 12:47:16 crashanddie: Was strictly holiday for me. Feb 22 12:47:29 how'd'you like it? Feb 22 12:47:45 crashanddie, new job? Feb 22 12:47:49 went down to Byron Bay, Australia zoo and such? Feb 22 12:47:50 or thats your contract Feb 22 12:47:53 lcuk: contracting Feb 22 12:47:57 ahh lol Feb 22 12:47:59 lcuk: check my LinkedIn page Feb 22 12:48:07 didnt think you would be a busdriver Feb 22 12:48:11 lol... Feb 22 12:48:15 not quite :D Feb 22 12:48:18 crashanddie: Of course. Got my own crikey cap ;) Feb 22 12:48:38 X-Fade: haha, I nearly got one, but then thought "Am I really that much of a tourist?" Feb 22 12:48:46 crashanddie: Any idea what commit has a declarative that works with 4.6.2? Feb 22 12:49:21 steveire, ask in #qt-maemo Feb 22 12:49:41 steveire: as I specified above, I'm contracting for Queensland Transport, not the company previously known as Trolltech Feb 22 12:49:42 steveire, sorry, I was elsewhere. I was just guessing that it must be then some repository in the nokia.com intranet. Feb 22 12:50:48 crashanddie: But Brisbane was was quite nice, as far as 'big' cities go. Feb 22 12:51:41 crashanddie: Drove from Sidney to Cairns. Feb 22 12:51:58 X-Fade: yeah... it has the dynamism of a big city without the chocking feeling of say... London Feb 22 12:52:15 crashanddie: 'lu ! Feb 22 12:52:24 crashanddie: meego -> megot ... :) Feb 22 12:52:28 Khertan: plop mon cochon, comment va Feb 22 12:52:31 Khertan: yep ;_) Feb 22 12:52:35 crashanddie: ca va bien et toi Feb 22 12:52:35 . Feb 22 12:52:37 ? Feb 22 12:52:52 pepere... bientot 23h, j'edite mes photos tranquilou Feb 22 12:52:57 crashanddie: j'ai enfin reussi a fixer un putain de bug de pypackager et j'ai release vectormine Feb 22 12:53:00 enfin ! Feb 22 12:53:06 cool Feb 22 12:53:54 des photos a 23h ... huhu Feb 22 12:54:01 il est presque 14h ici Feb 22 12:54:20 seems like the n900 doesnt have iwconfig. and it doesnt show up in ifconfig when its not enabled by some gui means. how can I enable it to do stuff with it? I'm attempting to make a bridge and things Feb 22 12:54:32 Khertan: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/ Feb 22 12:54:41 there is iwconfig in some repo Feb 22 12:55:15 crashanddie: ouch !!! really nice photos !!! Feb 22 12:55:29 crashanddie: I've uploaded iproute to extras-devel and you could use ifconfig -a Feb 22 12:55:49 Corsac: wrong person Feb 22 12:56:08 Corsac: thanks Feb 22 12:56:45 crashanddie: yeah, but I'm sure you're quite interested too! Feb 22 12:56:55 Corsac: not really Feb 22 12:56:58 pff :( Feb 22 12:57:06 So, how do we get proper button and font sizes when using Qt? Feb 22 12:57:11 s/we/I/ Feb 22 12:57:11 alterego meant: So, how do I get proper button and font sizes when using Qt? Feb 22 12:57:44 crashanddie: Ah, I see you met the wombat too ;) Feb 22 12:58:25 X-Fade: I even saw the guard again last weekend for a drink ;) Feb 22 12:58:55 heh Feb 22 13:01:08 Jaffa, this weeks issue turned out nicely. Feb 22 13:01:58 alterego: use Qt 4.6? Feb 22 13:04:33 alterego: put widgets inside layouts? Feb 22 13:06:37 GeneralAntilles: Next week's could be a problem. I'm in France on Sunday night/Monday Feb 22 13:06:47 pillar_: nice :) I hadn't actually got around to doing that yet ^.^ Feb 22 13:06:48 GeneralAntilles: May need crashanddie's system up and running Feb 22 13:09:49 where is the 'audio clips' folder stored? Feb 22 13:10:18 mydocs/.sounds/ Feb 22 13:10:30 ~curse nokia for crappy names Feb 22 13:10:31 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia for crappy names ! Feb 22 13:10:34 * w00t looks Feb 22 13:11:05 I have no /home/user# cd MyDocs/.sounds Feb 22 13:11:05 -bash: cd: MyDocs/.sounds: No such file or directory Feb 22 13:11:10 *I have none: Feb 22 13:11:44 you have a usb cable in? Feb 22 13:11:46 SpeedEvil: mh I canr find iwconfig anywhere Feb 22 13:11:57 Stskeeps: yes Feb 22 13:12:25 w00t: mass storage.. Feb 22 13:12:28 MyDocs gets exported Feb 22 13:12:29 http://www.gomonews.com/nokia-is-dropping-the-price-for-developers-who-make-mobile-apps-for-maemo/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GomoNews+%28GoMo+News%29 Feb 22 13:12:36 Stskeeps: it doesn't have anything there Feb 22 13:12:40 ^^^ no more 50Euro for registration ... Feb 22 13:12:41 at least, not what I'm after Feb 22 13:13:57 found it when I unplugged Feb 22 13:13:59 intuitive.. Feb 22 13:15:15 w00t: I like using ssh (scp) instead, that way I can access all directories etc. Feb 22 13:16:24 i use most of the time ssh connection from nautilus ... works really well Feb 22 13:16:33 usb mass storage is useless for me :) Feb 22 13:20:35 Hrm, my labels aren't aligning with my line edits when in form layout :/ Feb 22 13:20:46 Well, not properly aligning vcenter .. Feb 22 13:21:01 pffff ovistore is still not open to developpers .... Feb 22 13:21:24 Khertan: unlikely to be either :./ Feb 22 13:21:55 and company without vat still cannot register Feb 22 13:22:01 it s a shame Feb 22 13:22:19 Maybe we should start a maemo-developers (inc) :) Feb 22 13:23:27 Khertan, i heard that we should wait a month or tweo for an announcement to imprrove this re: ovi store and small devs Feb 22 13:23:57 zaheerm: this was already what they said in november 2009 Feb 22 13:23:59 :) Feb 22 13:24:06 lol ok Feb 22 13:24:22 alterego: i ve done all php script and things to do paypal paiement Feb 22 13:24:27 on my website Feb 22 13:24:41 it s not trivial, but can be done easily ... Feb 22 13:24:42 Yeah, I was contemplating doing that myself. Feb 22 13:24:56 Having my own store, like those boingo guys. Feb 22 13:25:13 the problem is that user must trust you ... and your store ... Feb 22 13:25:30 and they will probably more trust nokia ovi store than mine Feb 22 13:26:04 Plus it's there by default, and it gets all the benifits of being on there, like ratings and rankings that an N900 user can actually see. Feb 22 13:27:27 alterego: indeed Feb 22 13:27:38 hi there guys Feb 22 13:27:53 is there a way to calibrate N900's acelerometer?? Feb 22 13:28:01 And I have to say, if there's one thing I tend to look for it's star ratings (personall) as I usually find them a pretty good indicator of the quality of a peices of software. Feb 22 13:28:34 alterego: yep Feb 22 13:28:43 fzfq3m, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37216 ? Feb 22 13:28:45 but my shareware can be try before ... Feb 22 13:28:54 so ... you know what you bought :) Feb 22 13:29:04 I noticed an effort to bring that into extras, but that's not really something a normal user is going to actually look for, not with Ovi there. Feb 22 13:29:55 yep Feb 22 13:29:56 Khertan: I was thinking of just targetting different markets with free/non-free versions. The non-free would have extra functionality oriented towards business usage. Feb 22 13:31:59 Is labels & line edit orientation being off in a form layout a known issue? Or am I doing something wrong? :( Feb 22 13:32:30 hahaha Feb 22 13:32:31 http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTQ0MDk3MzIw.html Feb 22 13:33:21 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/19/symbian_compile/ <- heh Feb 22 13:44:49 Stskeeps: it does have one possibly promising line for early code release. Feb 22 13:44:54 'Symbian denies the early release of the code - which doesn't compile - before Barcelona was timed to achieve executive's bonuses. Sources put this in the region of six figures per suit. ' Feb 22 13:45:24 hehe Feb 22 13:45:35 "open sourcing things give you bonusses" Feb 22 13:45:42 "when done at the right time" Feb 22 13:45:43 * w00t lols Feb 22 13:45:58 Stskeeps: tell a few people that and I bet we'll see BME within a year! Feb 22 13:46:19 :) Feb 22 13:46:56 next headline: open source causes bodily harm Feb 22 13:47:07 andre_: Sorry for being that annoying, but I could find how to calibrate the accelerometer!!! Feb 22 13:47:11 Stskeeps: http://bmezine.com/ Feb 22 13:47:15 (not worksafe) Feb 22 13:47:17 SpeedEvil: yes, i know that site Feb 22 13:47:47 hi all - not sure if this is the best place to ask but you guys may know. What battery-life do I have to expect on a n900 when doing like 30m WLAN/UMTS, 30m calls and 1h reading on the phone per day? Feb 22 13:47:57 a very rough estimate would do Feb 22 13:48:10 andre_: my problem is that isn't working,... I'm trying to play Bounce Evolution and thel Red ball always goes to the left and stays there Feb 22 13:48:33 fzfq3m, uhm, that's ugly. might be https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6996 Feb 22 13:48:34 Bug 6996: Accelerometer uncalibrated after reboot Feb 22 13:48:59 andre_:povbot: Thanks I will search for that bug Feb 22 13:49:14 you can just click the URL instead ;-) Feb 22 13:49:47 andre_: Thanks, I just noticed that :-P Feb 22 13:49:51 bug #6996 Feb 22 13:49:52 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6996 Accelerometer uncalibrated after reboot Feb 22 13:49:59 ah right Feb 22 13:50:46 tools: >1 day Feb 22 13:51:43 tools: that is - worst case - I haven't flattened it in under 2h Feb 22 13:55:04 SpeedEvil: ^^ you mean 2d instead of 2h - right? Feb 22 13:56:49 he means 2h Feb 22 13:56:51 tools: no - 2h Feb 22 13:57:17 andre_, povbot:Solved... I just needed to remove the battery...Thanks Feb 22 13:57:18 as in constantly playing games, while downloading stuff from 3g at max display brightness Feb 22 13:57:22 i'm averaging about 24 hours with moderate usage and wlan connected, but 3g disabled Feb 22 13:57:38 Well - game. Feb 22 13:57:42 so if you're using umts you'll probably get slightly less Feb 22 13:58:14 okay Feb 22 14:00:21 Stskeeps: you karmawhoring bastard! :D Feb 22 14:00:32 wazd: i got hurt by the fact you had more karma than me ;p Feb 22 14:00:45 Stskeeps: you're trying to beat me using "thanks!" that's not fair! :D Feb 22 14:01:49 142854 | ciaranm | Apetrini: that's like saying that a rapist isn't to blame for raping people, and that it's society's fault Feb 22 14:01:52 whoops Feb 22 14:02:15 Stskeeps: I still wonder why some people considered your post as "long" It took like 2 minutes for me to read it :) Feb 22 14:02:31 wazd, don't worry, it's not an efficient method. Feb 22 14:03:25 GeneralAntilles: ah, I'm not worried actually :D Just never saw that many thanks for a single post :D Feb 22 14:03:31 what post? Can someone tell me the URL? Feb 22 14:03:39 It's because Stskeeps is a big fat whore. :P Feb 22 14:03:44 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=538094#post538094 Feb 22 14:03:46 I love long rants Feb 22 14:03:47 thanks Feb 22 14:04:22 GeneralAntilles: dare I ask how you know this? Feb 22 14:04:25 Oh, I've read this post Feb 22 14:04:33 even did a 'thanks' Feb 22 14:05:11 w00t, just look at his signature. *g* Feb 22 14:05:48 GeneralAntilles: haha. Feb 22 14:07:11 oh, I bought a pack of marmelade called "Trolly" :D Feb 22 14:07:33 Symbian^3 UI demo looks so 2007. Feb 22 14:07:41 GeneralAntilles: ++ Feb 22 14:08:05 GeneralAntilles: I'm making MeeGo demo right now :) Feb 22 14:08:32 wazd: Ain't you afraid to eat it though? Feb 22 14:08:34 wazd, and the MeeGo netbook UI is too simplified to be usable for me. Feb 22 14:08:56 RST38h: it was tasty, actually :P Feb 22 14:09:15 GeneralAntilles: wrt symbian, are you honestly surprised? Feb 22 14:09:19 wazd: i wouldn't mind taking concepts from uiemo and seeing if you can whip something cool up Feb 22 14:09:20 GeneralAntilles: well, I'm making pda version, screw netbooks :) Feb 22 14:09:23 w00t, not in the least. Feb 22 14:09:36 w7 is the best OS for netbooks anyway :P Feb 22 14:09:37 Stskeeps: eeeevil Feb 22 14:09:51 on that note Feb 22 14:09:58 * w00t idly contemplates playing with DUI today Feb 22 14:10:21 RST38h: Akado makes me feel so 56k Feb 22 14:10:40 w00t: uiemo might actually run really nice on N8x0, heh Feb 22 14:10:46 w00t, I hear law enforcement is cracking down on that these days. Feb 22 14:10:47 if we get it accelerated with openvg.. Feb 22 14:10:51 wazd: Drop the bastards. Or have they bought out every communal network in the center? Feb 22 14:11:04 RST38h: I'm not in the center right now :( Feb 22 14:11:09 Stskeeps: dui! :P Feb 22 14:11:28 Driving Under Influence of S60 UI designers? Feb 22 14:11:33 haha Feb 22 14:11:51 wazd: Drop 'em wherever you are =) Feb 22 14:12:00 RST38h: no alternatives Feb 22 14:12:06 RST38h: unfortunately Feb 22 14:12:08 wazd: :( Feb 22 14:12:18 wazd: BTW, 3G does rule, where it works Feb 22 14:12:19 RST38h: but now I love my center ISP so much :) Feb 22 14:13:42 * RST38h found a problem with Autobuilder: no mce package =( Feb 22 14:14:18 wazd: There is one more possible way to get connectivity Feb 22 14:14:24 wazd: Beeline/MTS WiFi Feb 22 14:14:43 wazd: It is relatively cheap and exists wherever you have got a bar or a restaurant nearby Feb 22 14:15:08 RST38h: beeline wifi is an ubercrap :) Feb 22 14:15:14 * thresh would love to have a pub nearby Feb 22 14:18:14 >[15:09] w7 is the best OS for netbooks anyway :P <<<< HAhahaahaha take 12 min to boot on my samsung n130 ... 2 min on ubuntu :) Feb 22 14:18:52 Khertan: 12 minutes? :) Feb 22 14:18:59 Khertan: why not 12 hours? :) Feb 22 14:19:11 because it s win seven Feb 22 14:19:28 take really long to boot or wake up Feb 22 14:19:32 Khertan: I really can't beleive it Feb 22 14:19:36 really ? Feb 22 14:19:54 the netbook was deliver with win seven starter edition Feb 22 14:20:04 Khertan: cause my C7 1.2 Ghz HP 2133 boots in like 2 minutes Feb 22 14:20:13 and after 2 days of use ... i scratch it for ubuntu Feb 22 14:20:19 uh ? Feb 22 14:20:33 or maybe the crappy samsung malware Feb 22 14:20:39 Khertan: I think there's something really wrong with your OS Feb 22 14:20:41 which cause so long boot Feb 22 14:21:03 Khertan: 12 minutes, oh my :D Feb 22 14:21:07 but when it was connected to power supply it tooks 4 min Feb 22 14:21:21 wazd: Well, it kinda works Feb 22 14:21:37 RST38h: akado "kinda" works too :D Feb 22 14:21:46 Ehhhh Feb 22 14:22:23 what s funny is that a deep sleep wake up with ubuntu or a start take the same time Feb 22 14:22:26 Khertan: seriously, try to install some pirated w7 and you'll see Feb 22 14:22:56 pirated already? the callback thing too? Feb 22 14:23:44 wazd: really ... i didn't need :) Feb 22 14:23:52 ubuntu works very well Feb 22 14:24:04 and i can play d2 with wine ... Feb 22 14:25:55 so no need of windows Feb 22 14:26:00 (d2 == Diablo 2) Feb 22 14:26:27 Khertan, really? because I think resume from hibernation takes longer than a fresh start Feb 22 14:27:06 mgedmin: same time from ubuntu 9.10 Feb 22 14:27:11 cool Feb 22 14:27:12 no differences Feb 22 14:27:18 actually, not cool at all Feb 22 14:27:25 but it s depends also of amount of memory Feb 22 14:28:01 the scrollable list used, for example, in MicroB browser when you start it, or... for example, in Contacts application ecc... can be done with a QTableView class? Feb 22 14:29:55 frals: Icon issue resolved. Feb 22 14:30:10 thx X-Fade Feb 22 14:30:15 Andy80: not sure what question exactly you're asking - are you asking how those sort of lists are done with Qt? Feb 22 14:30:41 w00t: yes Feb 22 14:31:09 Andy80: if it's single column, QListView(Widget, if you don't want to deal with models) will work Feb 22 14:31:31 w00t: it's at least two columns Feb 22 14:31:36 Andy80: http://blog.rburchell.com/2010/02/pyside-tutorial-model-view-programming_22.html <-- take a look at that, for instance, and try it out on your device, scrolling should work fine Feb 22 14:32:06 Andy80: then you either want a custom widget doing the rendering of the list items, or a table, yes Feb 22 14:32:18 w00t: oh :\ I did read that tutorial and I really couldn't understand what the hell was a model and how to use it... Feb 22 14:32:29 w00t: the example looks like too complex imho Feb 22 14:32:46 Andy80: I'm happy to explain in depth, just ask questions (..this might not be the channel for it) Feb 22 14:33:13 help please .. has anyone gotten navit working on nokia n900 ? Feb 22 14:33:43 w00t: I didn't think there was the need to create a custom widget in Qt to simply display a scollable list similar to the one used in Gtk by gPodder for example Feb 22 14:33:56 w00t: but... I'll read the tutorial agaiin... Feb 22 14:34:09 Andy80: see /msg, I'll explain more Feb 22 14:40:48 X-Fade: ta :) Feb 22 14:51:45 w00t: it s so complicated to do things in QT Feb 22 14:51:53 when i read this tutorial Feb 22 14:52:07 Khertan: that isn't how you *must* do it, mind Feb 22 14:52:09 that's one way to do it Feb 22 14:52:32 Khertan: I'll admit it does take some getting used to modelview.. if you've got any feedback on things you'd like to see better explained, by all means, ask Feb 22 14:52:44 :) Feb 22 14:53:16 it's one of the tricker parts of Qt, so it could certainly use all the help it can get :P Feb 22 14:53:31 i can understand it well ... this is just that it s look like using a nuclear weapon to kill an ashmatic mosquito Feb 22 14:53:40 *grin* Feb 22 14:53:47 that's deliberate, though Feb 22 14:53:50 :) Feb 22 14:53:53 ah ... so Feb 22 14:53:56 I'm trying to keep it simple, so you can see what's going on Feb 22 14:54:08 obviously you wouldn't usually use something like this for something so simple Feb 22 14:54:44 worth noting too that most of that complexity is probably the comments :P Feb 22 14:55:07 hum ... yep i understand better the code than the comment ... Feb 22 14:55:18 that's probably my fault :) Feb 22 14:55:18 but english isn't my native language Feb 22 14:55:26 (nor python too ... but s so simple ) Feb 22 14:55:35 w00t, what, you need a copy-editor? :P Feb 22 14:55:36 I didn't write this all at once like I did the last tutorials, and I was a bit tired when proofreading it Feb 22 14:55:56 GeneralAntilles: nah, I should have kept it until today, and polished it this morning before publishing Feb 22 14:56:30 I *started* writing that tut while mildly drunk late friday night/early saturday morning, wrote a bit more when absolutely knackered on saturday.. and finished it off late sunday night :P Feb 22 14:56:34 not a good combination Feb 22 14:56:37 anyway ... i ve read your tutorial ... as i'm a real nweebie at using qt/pyside Feb 22 14:56:55 Khertan: great :) if there's anything you want to see covered, at all, let me know Feb 22 14:56:56 your tutorial is well explained Feb 22 14:57:18 I think I'll do a small one on custom painting of widgets today, to break up the modelview stuff Feb 22 14:57:28 w00t: have you covered pyside's uic? Feb 22 14:57:34 alterego: negative Feb 22 14:57:45 w00t: would be nice to have a Qt Designer PySide tutorial I think :) Feb 22 14:57:47 I don't actually use designer a lot, so it hadn't occured to me :) Feb 22 14:57:53 I'll write myself a reminder Feb 22 14:57:53 w00t: for the moment i didn't have any project that use qt ... but when i ll got one ... i ll surely contact you i have any question Feb 22 14:58:04 Khertan: great! :D Feb 22 14:58:21 w00t: I've got a problem :P Feb 22 14:58:21 w00t: didn't understand how the designer work ... it s so different from glade :) Feb 22 14:58:39 alterego: go on Feb 22 14:58:50 Khertan: I guess I'll do one on how to use designer, from the top down then :) Feb 22 14:59:16 w00t: I've created a dialog, got me buttons and everything the right size using layouts. I've got on the left side of the dialog a frame, which contains form elements, but the labels don't centre align properly with their line edit inputs :/ Feb 22 14:59:22 w00t: could be interesting ... even if Designer didn't run on n900 :) Feb 22 14:59:41 alterego: can you screenshot for me? Feb 22 14:59:50 w00t: sure, hang on. Feb 22 15:01:09 Hey, anyone know if the N900's GPS shows up in /dev ? and if so, whats the name. I cant seem to find it. Feb 22 15:01:19 it doesn't Feb 22 15:01:23 it's not a serial device Feb 22 15:01:29 it's part of the phone Feb 22 15:01:35 you use it via dbus Feb 22 15:01:41 and/or liblocation Feb 22 15:01:47 hmmmm Feb 22 15:02:00 Hello ! I'd like to buy a phone and I'd like to know if Maemo (and the N900) is composed only by Free Software, or not ? Feb 22 15:02:08 no, it's not Feb 22 15:02:14 there are large non-free components. Feb 22 15:02:16 But. Feb 22 15:02:17 What's non-free ? Feb 22 15:02:28 Many of them are getting freer. Feb 22 15:02:37 ok Feb 22 15:02:39 And there isn't a freeer functional phone out there. Feb 22 15:02:44 paulk_: graphics drivers, for instance Feb 22 15:03:00 but what SpeedEvil said Feb 22 15:03:09 the neo freerunner is probably opener, buty it is way outdated Feb 22 15:03:19 (I'll buy it in July, maybe I should check at this moment ?) Feb 22 15:03:45 anyone here have any issues with MyDocs not giving back free space of deleted files ? Feb 22 15:03:52 Wild_Doogy: Yes, I think it's the phone for me but it costs too much ! Feb 22 15:03:56 its probably in .trash Feb 22 15:04:05 I deleted a bunch of ext2 images I had because MyDocs was close to full, but deleting 4 GB of them didn't give me any free space Feb 22 15:04:11 being optimistic - the freerunner software is nowhere close. Feb 22 15:04:16 ADP1 is freer than N900 Feb 22 15:04:58 homeasvs: I might be completely wrong onr emembering this - but have you tried restarting? Feb 22 15:05:00 paulk_: the N900 has about 6 times the possessor as the neo freerunner, and it can just barely play youtube videos. Feb 22 15:05:08 w00t, yes, I did reboot Feb 22 15:05:13 homeasvs: ok, then I'm out of ideas Feb 22 15:05:14 Wild_Doogy, about .trash, was that for me? Feb 22 15:05:21 yes Feb 22 15:05:31 let me look Feb 22 15:05:42 homeasvs: Um, maybe actually... I did something like the other day and it didn't free up much. Do make sure that the file system you're actually modifying is in MyDocs. Feb 22 15:06:21 Wild_Doogy: ok, but I don't want to watch videos (and shurley not youtube's videos) with my phone, I've got a digital audio player (with Rockbox) to do that :) Feb 22 15:06:57 s/shurely/surely/ Feb 22 15:07:08 I only know one person that had a freerunner. he threw it away and got a nokia dumbphone instead, because it was unusable as a phone. Feb 22 15:07:20 ok Feb 22 15:07:42 paulk_: Right-ho, just letting you know that prossesor is only like 200MHz compated to the 600MHZ + 400MHZ of the N900 Feb 22 15:07:43 It - the freerunner - is not unusable if you are skilled enough to pick the right image Feb 22 15:07:47 If one uses a phone to make calls I wouldn't get freerunner and I'd probably not get N900 either Feb 22 15:07:55 (as for me, I just want to call my friends and send SMS) Feb 22 15:08:14 hardaker, it is. I'm truly puzzled. Feb 22 15:08:23 huh. Feb 22 15:08:25 so a nokia 3210 is enough to call and send sms Feb 22 15:08:26 :) Feb 22 15:08:34 Khertan: is it free software ? Feb 22 15:08:39 hardaker, a du shows there's only 22 GB there, while df reports 27.9 Feb 22 15:09:01 paulk_: hum ... there is a software on it ? i think it was hardware only :) Feb 22 15:09:04 is there some hidden deleted files dir on vfat file systems that I don't know about ? Feb 22 15:09:08 SpeedEvil: agreed, but I cant see it still being usable in two years, while the N900 will have the hardware to limp along Feb 22 15:09:14 Wild_Doogy, that's more a statement about Flash than about the N900. :) Feb 22 15:09:20 lol Feb 22 15:09:25 I don't remember how well du output aligns with df (ie, how much it counts directory sizes themselves for cache trees and stuff that have lots of directories) Feb 22 15:09:32 Khertan: lol :) I want a N900 or a FreeRunner for freedom, nothing more :) Feb 22 15:09:34 Wild_Doogy, and ARM9 and Cortex aren't really comparable MHz to MHz. ;) Feb 22 15:09:40 yes, I know Feb 22 15:09:54 paulk_: so ... take an n900 ... it ll be easier to found than a freerunner Feb 22 15:09:55 :) Feb 22 15:09:55 it is not easy to say how one's expectations will change Feb 22 15:09:59 just like amd VS intel Feb 22 15:10:27 Khertan: I don't think so ; And I prefer to pay shipping than to have a semi-free phone Feb 22 15:10:45 Wild_Doogy, more like Pentium 4 vs Core 2 Feb 22 15:10:57 hum ... i mean that today found a freerunner to bought is really difficult Feb 22 15:10:58 hardaker, the only thing that I can think of that might have gone wrong is that these images were loopback-mounted, and though I did unmount them before deleting the image files (and restarted), somehow the space wasn't freed Feb 22 15:11:09 Some one wanted to know about trash: "cd /home/user/MyDocs/.Trash-1000" will show you the stuff in the "recycling bin" Feb 22 15:11:27 Khertan: I have a link Feb 22 15:11:37 Khertan: http://openmoko.com/freerunner.html click "Buy Freerunner" Feb 22 15:11:39 paulk_: and the nokia n900 isn't semi free ... it s more 98% free :) Feb 22 15:11:59 and for the last 2% ... i'm not sure that they are really close Feb 22 15:12:08 http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner Feb 22 15:12:14 oh i think they have stop selling it Feb 22 15:12:17 Khertan: :) Ok I'll see Mameo in July ! Feb 22 15:12:20 Wild_Doogy, huh, I don't have that dot directory on my n900 Feb 22 15:12:20 $200 for a A6 Feb 22 15:12:24 (and what the heck is up with putting major content in . directories anyway???) Feb 22 15:13:16 w00t: sorry about the delay, work and all :) http://alterego.metapath.org/images/maemo-devel/Screenshot-20100222-150057.png Feb 22 15:13:33 Wild_Doogy, any way from the ui to get to trash ? Feb 22 15:13:43 the last 2% is Angry Birds :) Feb 22 15:13:54 oh man .. vfat doesnt have symlinks .. crap Feb 22 15:14:29 alterego: ah, right, I've actually seen that happen too on a QDialog I did, and I wasn't able to figure it out either.. manually setting alignment didn't fix it Feb 22 15:14:37 alterego: maybe #qt-maemo might be of some help? Feb 22 15:14:51 Khertan: n900 is not *that* free and some closed things are annoying Feb 22 15:14:54 homeasvs: try typing (in a new terminal, doest have to be root) "cd" (tab should get you MyDocs/) "." (tab) and you should see all the . directorys in mydocs Feb 22 15:15:00 cehteh: like what ? Feb 22 15:15:04 * homeasvs learns about dosfsck Feb 22 15:15:11 Wild_Doogy, I checked all . directories, it's not there Feb 22 15:15:21 homeasvs: strange Feb 22 15:15:24 camera app, mce, dsme, bme Feb 22 15:15:24 dosfsck tells me the following: Feb 22 15:15:27 Reclaimed 109128 unused clusters (7151812608 bytes). Feb 22 15:15:27 Free cluster summary wrong (5274 vs. really 114402) Feb 22 15:15:31 that seems hopeful Feb 22 15:15:47 cehteh: uh ? i think there are ... Feb 22 15:16:10 the camera app for example can only write to FAT filesystems which is really pita when you want to reformat to some better filesystem Feb 22 15:16:39 Question: anyone know how to get the current time from the GPS? or is it not worth trying. Feb 22 15:16:41 cehteh: that's bullshit Feb 22 15:16:49 camera app doesnt care for FS it will write to Feb 22 15:17:17 thresh: so why do so many people complain then? Feb 22 15:17:30 srsly? Feb 22 15:17:38 yes Feb 22 15:17:46 teh only reason vfat was chosen is compatibility Feb 22 15:17:51 there is a bug in the bugtracker Feb 22 15:18:03 cehteh: ouch this sucks ! Feb 22 15:18:36 i didnt investigated this, just trusting this bug, maybe i try to reformat my sd card tomorrow (need the device today, no risk in crapping it) Feb 22 15:19:38 w00t: thanks, didn't know there was a qt-maemo channel :) Feb 22 15:19:40 Any one notice how accurate the clock on the N900 is? Feb 22 15:20:07 ok, so the dosfsck left me with three huge files, as big as the images I deleted before, which I can now properly delete Feb 22 15:20:22 Wild_Doogy, not very - I don't know why they don't have an ntp or something running Feb 22 15:20:58 there is a not in some repo Feb 22 15:21:12 so how much does it wander? minutes a week, or seconds a week..... Feb 22 15:21:36 you can also enable 'automatically update clock' somewhere in the settings then it gets it from somewhere (ntp, gsm, gps ..) Feb 22 15:21:43 hmm Feb 22 15:21:50 for me it stays accurate with that enabled Feb 22 15:21:58 will usb mass storage work if I changed the internal 32gig flash format to EXT3? Feb 22 15:21:59 I tryed that, but I cant get an updae out of it Feb 22 15:22:06 i wont install a ntpd because of constant cpu wakeups Feb 22 15:22:08 or will it only be mountable on a system that supports ext3 Feb 22 15:22:09 :) Feb 22 15:22:18 I want to try updating from GPS ^_^ Feb 22 15:23:08 the gps is closed behind a big wall .. you can only access it through certain interfaces .. rtfm for that Feb 22 15:23:13 Wild_Doogy, mine's about two minutes off after a month or two it looks like Feb 22 15:23:25 funnily enough I have openntpd installed but not active, let's check that Feb 22 15:23:32 ok, a minute/ month isnt bad Feb 22 15:24:44 Wild_Doogy, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=433352#post433352 seems helpful Feb 22 15:26:09 w00t: did you know if qtopia binding are compatible with pyside ? Feb 22 15:26:10 Thanks Feb 22 15:26:26 Khertan: you mean qtmobile? or which in particular? Feb 22 15:26:47 (qtopia as it was is pretty much discontinued afaik, though it is open for anyone to continue it) Feb 22 15:27:43 w00t: i mean qtopia for zaurus Feb 22 15:27:59 i ve found a old little soft that can be interesting to port to maemo Feb 22 15:28:04 Khertan: erh.. *no* idea tbh Feb 22 15:28:37 I think that qt can still talk to the old qtopia window system, yes, but I don't know if pyside will like that Feb 22 15:28:39 w00t: Feb 22 15:28:40 worth a try Feb 22 15:28:40 :P Feb 22 15:29:09 qtopia api seels compatible with old pyqt3 binding Feb 22 15:29:11 PyMoney is not compatible with Qt/PyQt version 4.0 or upper! Feb 22 15:29:13 :( Feb 22 15:29:15 Ok, I found my problem: "Then what does the "update automatically" checkbox do then? It enables clock synchronization with the cellular network, if an activated SIM is in the N900." and i have no SIM card ^_^ Feb 22 15:29:22 Khertan: port it! :P Feb 22 15:29:33 yep ... but a lot s of work so Feb 22 15:29:43 i'ven't the time now Feb 22 15:29:44 :( Feb 22 15:30:02 * w00t nods Feb 22 15:30:14 * w00t looks at it Feb 22 15:30:42 héhé Feb 22 15:31:35 there isn't so many apps created with pyqt Feb 22 15:31:37 strange Feb 22 15:31:51 Khertan: it's just not really gotten the exposure it deserves, I think Feb 22 15:32:00 (part of why I'm making an effort to talk about it :)) Feb 22 15:33:13 it's just not really gotten the exposure it deserves, I think <<< i doubt on that ... but it s personnal preferences.... i prefere pygtk :) Feb 22 15:33:55 Simple fix: sudo gainroot; apt-get install openntpd; ntpd Feb 22 15:34:04 time is updated Feb 22 15:34:39 (Still want nanosecond accuracy fro mm the GPS, just for kicks and giggles ^_^) Feb 22 15:35:14 expect your battery drain like no tomorrow with ntpd (just my guess) Feb 22 15:36:19 it runs constantly? Feb 22 15:37:14 that explains why my time seems to be all bonkers right now. keeps jumping ~ 3 minutes Feb 22 15:37:22 in all directions Feb 22 15:37:27 not constantly but with a lot wakeups Feb 22 15:37:43 I thought ntp didn't influence uptime Feb 22 15:37:58 isn't that an internal kernel counter, not tied to the system clock? Feb 22 15:38:01 Wild_Doogy, use ntp-client instead, it syncs time only once. Feb 22 15:38:13 and isn't uptime paused when you put your laptop to sleep? Feb 22 15:38:27 Wild_Doogy: could it be that you have the 'automatic time update' enabled in the settings Feb 22 15:38:29 sweet -runs killall ntpd- Feb 22 15:38:37 and our operator has some clocks which are off? Feb 22 15:38:38 * mgedmin suggests apt-get remove Feb 22 15:38:51 cehteh: yes, but that uses cell time, and I have no SIM card Feb 22 15:38:53 gsm desynced with gps? Feb 22 15:38:57 ah ok Feb 22 15:39:17 Wild_Doogy, ntpd makes sense on constantly-on machines (esp servers) Feb 22 15:39:33 well phone is constantly on too Feb 22 15:39:46 and gps should give a stratnum 1 timesource too .. Feb 22 15:40:03 but i dont know if the ntpd on the n900 gets time from the internal gps Feb 22 15:40:16 and that will be bad for the battery for sure Feb 22 15:40:16 well, for a drifty of a minute a month, you should run ntpd-client only once a month...... Feb 22 15:40:21 constantly on machines that dont require a battery* Feb 22 15:40:52 on my laptop i have a cronjob @hourly ntpdate ... Feb 22 15:41:18 having ntp server here on my office server which i query Feb 22 15:41:25 cronjob...... good idea..... Feb 22 15:41:34 well .. n900 has no cron Feb 22 15:41:39 cehteh, you usually don't want that much accuracy that always running ntpd provides. Feb 22 15:41:53 (STILL WANT GPS TIME!!!) hahaha Feb 22 15:41:57 Wild_Doogy, cron itself drains battery too :) Feb 22 15:42:00 I used ssh root@phone date set current date Feb 22 15:42:04 on the server Feb 22 15:42:06 slonopotamus: thats why i have it only on one server and all other ntpdate Feb 22 15:42:20 slonopotamus: what?! Feb 22 15:42:20 so you set date from the servers date hourly when in range of the server Feb 22 15:42:25 Wild_Doogy: read the doc about the gps api Feb 22 15:42:41 i am not sure but quite certain you cant get time form it Feb 22 15:43:02 zash, cron periodically writes to disk. Feb 22 15:43:20 writing a small daemon in C which updates the time once a day or every few hours from gps should be feasible and dosnt need that much power then Feb 22 15:43:39 Why not ntpd, again? Feb 22 15:43:48 ~curse extras upload/build process Feb 22 15:43:49 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, extras upload/build process ! Feb 22 15:44:06 but be careful only enable gps when needed, give it enough time to get a fix (10 minutes) and dont forget to disable it Feb 22 15:44:07 slonopotamus, what does it write, if you don't have logging or atime updating enabled? Feb 22 15:44:29 RST38h: ntp needs quite some cpu Feb 22 15:44:43 not as in cycles but constant wakeups Feb 22 15:45:04 when it slews the time it wakes up every some milliseconds Feb 22 15:45:14 cehteh, hm? Feb 22 15:45:32 Stskeeps: Hey Feb 22 15:46:03 but yes, ntp appears to bail out from select with SIGALRM every second or so Feb 22 15:46:16 some bash loop while sleep 3600; do Feb 22 15:46:26 some bash loop while sleep 3600; do ntpdate $server; done Feb 22 15:46:32 cehteh: Your plugin is causing me some pain btw Feb 22 15:46:41 should do to .. put that in background and voila Feb 22 15:47:01 RST38h: works like a charm here what are your problems? Feb 22 15:47:15 cehteh: Autobuilder has problems building it Feb 22 15:47:24 because of what? Feb 22 15:47:33 missing header? Feb 22 15:47:36 Dependance on mce Feb 22 15:47:38 yep Feb 22 15:47:56 not the xchat-plugin.h? Feb 22 15:48:06 cehteh: mce. Feb 22 15:48:07 well of course it depends on mce Feb 22 15:48:30 looks like autobuilder has no mce, or something... trying again. Feb 22 15:48:57 ah not .. i hardcoded all i tihnk Feb 22 15:49:06 remove the mce-name.h include Feb 22 15:49:13 lemme look Feb 22 15:49:16 RST38h: tried mce-dev? Feb 22 15:49:37 anyone here from the UK or using the GLOBAL firmware? Feb 22 15:49:56 what's the global firmware? Feb 22 15:49:57 actually i should hardcode the strings but use mce defines, but it just happed that way from my initial test code :> Feb 22 15:50:07 Corsac, it's on tablet-dev.nokia.com Feb 22 15:50:08 im from the uk *and* using the global firmware Feb 22 15:50:20 BTW guys, I am CATing a USB GPS that I have, and there doesn't seem to be any time information at all. Soooo..... doesnt look like its possible. (STILL WANT GPS TIME ^_^) Feb 22 15:50:37 nid0, cool, I have one small question, what's the step between frequencies on the FM transmitter? Feb 22 15:50:38 http://gizmodo.com/5477215/how-developers-really-feel-about-windows-phone-7 Feb 22 15:50:43 X-Fade: trying now Feb 22 15:51:04 (does it allow XX.1, XX.2, XX.3?) Feb 22 15:51:04 #include Feb 22 15:51:04 ^^ comment that out Feb 22 15:51:22 0.1mhz right through the spectrum, same as on the uk variants Feb 22 15:51:45 nid0, thanks, changing the US firmware to global then Feb 22 15:51:46 cehteh: will it still compile? Feb 22 15:51:48 from 88.1 to 107.9 Feb 22 15:51:51 'cause it did not =) Feb 22 15:51:55 RST38h: i can query you my makefule Feb 22 15:52:01 RST38h: Worked? Feb 22 15:52:11 nid0, on my US device (imported) it goes from 88.1 to 88.3 Feb 22 15:52:18 gutted. Feb 22 15:52:24 so the step is 0.2 (odd numbers only) Feb 22 15:52:57 ~curse Qt/maemo5 for broken rotation example Feb 22 15:52:58 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Qt/maemo5 for broken rotation example ! Feb 22 15:53:06 X-Fade: waiting for response from autyobuilder Feb 22 15:53:24 RST38h: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-February/017551.html Feb 22 15:53:27 cehteh: please, stop Feb 22 15:53:33 sorry Feb 22 15:53:37 only a few lines :) Feb 22 15:53:56 X-Fade: coooooooolio =) Feb 22 15:54:06 X-Fade: making it depend on mce-dev did the job! Feb 22 15:54:07 WAIT! spoke too soon... >_> its in format HHMMSS.SSS Feb 22 15:54:16 heh ok Feb 22 15:54:17 Ok, next package: FBReader Feb 22 15:54:17 :-D sweet Feb 22 15:54:22 RST38h: Next time use search on package interface to find it ;) Feb 22 15:54:36 well its rather a bug on my side not depending on mce and hardcode all this stuff :P Feb 22 15:54:41 http://xkcd.com/705/ :D Feb 22 15:54:43 X-Fade: I did for a bit and ended up asking Stskeeps a few hours ago =) Feb 22 15:54:59 RST38h: btw i build it with -Os, no -g and stripping it .. 12k then Feb 22 15:55:07 cehteh: -O2 Feb 22 15:55:27 prolly makes no big difference anyways Feb 22 15:55:28 cehteh: And yes, it is belo 20kB, no big deal. The new XChat build will load it automagically Feb 22 15:55:34 nid0, thanks again Feb 22 15:55:36 fine Feb 22 15:55:44 thanks for packaging Feb 22 15:55:45 cehteh: Some asshole will still absolutely INSIST on optifying it though Feb 22 15:55:52 haha Feb 22 15:55:59 is xchat optified? Feb 22 15:56:02 Yes Feb 22 15:56:18 RST38h, why isn't that optified yet? Feb 22 15:56:33 btw i was wong yesterday /usr/lib/xchat is not $libexecdir but $pkglibdir .. Feb 22 15:56:41 cehteh: See? =) Feb 22 15:56:57 GeneralAntilles: because this path might be somewhat ugly hardcoded or so Feb 22 15:56:59 20KiB! my rootfs will run out Feb 22 15:57:12 hey its 12kb here! Feb 22 15:57:16 General: Because optifiying it will not be aesthetically pleasing! Feb 22 15:57:21 strip it, -Os and no -g Feb 22 15:57:21 Here, have it. Feb 22 15:57:44 this whole optifing is utterly crap Feb 22 15:57:57 Well, moving data to /opt is usually ok Feb 22 15:57:59 it could be sovled much bether Feb 22 15:58:16 but symlinking every single freaking file is kinda too much Feb 22 15:58:23 yes but why not just mount /usr somewhere with more spoace Feb 22 15:58:28 yeah Feb 22 15:58:50 developing with Qt for Maemo5 is pain Feb 22 15:59:05 cehteh: has to be up when the system boots Feb 22 15:59:17 then its broken Feb 22 15:59:20 hrw: aww man... with that be fixed in pr1.2? Feb 22 15:59:24 2 Qt releases at same time, API which change daily, non working examples Feb 22 15:59:32 cehteh: Well, it is kinda old argument... Feb 22 15:59:39 toggles_w: which will be in March/April/2011 Feb 22 15:59:41 hrw: Use GTK+ then Feb 22 15:59:42 by definition /bin and /sbin are for that Feb 22 16:00:02 anyways i suggested to have a unionfs like eeepcs ... Feb 22 16:00:04 RST38h: my gtk+ skills are weaker then my win32 ones Feb 22 16:00:05 RST38h: wont that screw you for meego? Feb 22 16:00:13 that would solve that too Feb 22 16:00:20 Meego has Gtk+ too. Feb 22 16:00:26 hmm Feb 22 16:00:33 but not the Maemo Gtk+ AFAIU Feb 22 16:00:47 toggles: if you stay abstracted from the concrete UI it will not Feb 22 16:00:52 hey my evil plan is to write apps for the device i own ... if it works on meego that would be a coincidence :P Feb 22 16:00:58 hrw: does not take much Feb 22 16:01:16 RST38h: yeah... and building UI from C code is also fun Feb 22 16:01:32 reading style guide just to get values for margins/paddings etc Feb 22 16:01:36 if nokia releases meego for the n900 i eventually fix my apps to run there too Feb 22 16:02:25 hrw: Yea, it is fucked up, but I am afraid Qt is just as fucked up. Feb 22 16:02:30 btw is the openvpn maintainer here on irc? Feb 22 16:02:56 hrw: It also provides you with a good incentive of not creating too elaborate UIs Feb 22 16:05:15 RST38h: my UI is simple Feb 22 16:05:39 then you will not suffer too much Feb 22 16:05:52 * thresh waves Feb 22 16:05:56 just a little bit needed to write a few screenfuls of gtk code Feb 22 16:07:01 RST38h: with Qt I click in Qt Designer Feb 22 16:10:27 hrw: Which is probably a bad idea anyway Feb 22 16:10:59 hrw: because you have no control of the code it produces Feb 22 16:11:39 once you need to insert somethign there, it will be either parting ways with the designer or a roadblock Feb 22 16:11:59 RST38h: insert into UI? Feb 22 16:12:12 insert or change something in the UI Feb 22 16:12:33 RST38h: I create UI once and do not alter it during app run. if I need to change UI I launch Qt Designer and edit in it Feb 22 16:12:44 that is very nice of you Feb 22 16:12:54 * RST38h goes to check what code qt designer generates Feb 22 16:13:01 RST38h: XML code Feb 22 16:13:03 flashing was a complete waste of my time :/ Feb 22 16:13:19 FM tx still skips 0.1 Feb 22 16:13:28 Ah, so it comes with an xml parser Feb 22 16:13:42 hrw: does this xml code get linked to your program or loaded from a separate file? Feb 22 16:14:25 C++ code/header is generated during build process Feb 22 16:15:01 RST38h: there is also support for loading UI defintion during app run but I never used it Feb 22 16:15:12 Can I see the C++ coe generated by the designer? Feb 22 16:15:23 moment Feb 22 16:15:51 * RST38h would like to verify a few suspicions Feb 22 16:16:42 RST38h: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/maemo/src/ Feb 22 16:16:50 thanks =) Feb 22 16:17:13 np Feb 22 16:21:53 hrw: I expected to see a lot of absolute coordinates, but the only ones I see are for the main window. Which is pretty cool. Feb 22 16:22:13 hrw: What I find strange though is that the cpp files do not seem to have any UI code Feb 22 16:22:13 RST38h: this is Qt - there are no fixed coords Feb 22 16:22:36 RST38h: check .h Feb 22 16:22:39 hrw: There are may be, depends on how you program it Feb 22 16:23:00 RST38h: my last app with fixed coords was in 1996 Feb 22 16:23:10 hrw: Oh here comes the cluster fuck... Feb 22 16:23:33 hrw: I also have not written any for years, but coordinates are still popular among Win32 and Java programmers Feb 22 16:23:53 and gtk Feb 22 16:24:19 hrw: gtk does not encourage this either Feb 22 16:25:09 but margins/paddings are usually hardcoded in style guide Feb 22 16:25:56 hrw: yea, but this is less of a problem. they hardly affect the layout Feb 22 16:26:22 Ok, so Qt Designer thing puts all the code into header files Feb 22 16:27:30 Which is somewhat of a mess but probably isn't as bad as it could have been Feb 22 16:28:15 RST38h: it is autogenerated code which you should not change so it is fine for me Feb 22 16:29:43 * RST38h remembers Motif Feb 22 16:30:07 I did not used X11 at that time Feb 22 16:30:35 yuck Feb 22 16:31:11 Motif actually had a semidecent UI definition language, did not encourage absolute cooridnates, and read UI definitions from files Feb 22 16:31:28 It also looked like cat puke. Feb 22 16:31:39 yea, it has got those create_simple_bulletin_board_widget_w() things Feb 22 16:31:51 derf: that is debatable Feb 22 16:32:00 derf: compared to OpenLook... Feb 22 16:32:07 Okay, fair point. Feb 22 16:32:20 ï°ÿ Or tk... Feb 22 16:32:30 or Xt... Feb 22 16:32:34 I've actually had to maintain Motif code as recently as 4 years ago. Feb 22 16:32:59 yikes openlook looks horrid too Feb 22 16:33:08 http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/02/22/qt-under-maemo-is-pain-to-develop-with/ Feb 22 16:33:23 i disagre Feb 22 16:33:34 nextstep has always looked interesting Feb 22 16:34:34 It lives in MacOS X Feb 22 16:35:00 So, all you need to do is learn ObjectiveC, buy yourself a Mac, and shave you^H^H^H^H^H Feb 22 16:35:35 I'd rather use Motif. Feb 22 16:35:51 i know RST38h i've watched the advert with steve jobs.... it looked powerful back then Feb 22 16:36:08 * RST38h used NeXT boxes a lot back at the university Feb 22 16:36:21 * openstandards is jealous Feb 22 16:36:26 NeXT boxen were awesome. Feb 22 16:36:27 At the time. Feb 22 16:36:31 The lab was at the 3rd floor of the UMD CSS building I think Feb 22 16:36:32 That time was the early 90's. Feb 22 16:36:43 Well, UMD mostly had pizza boxes Feb 22 16:36:51 hrw, fwiw most of these issues should be resolved with PR1.2 Feb 22 16:37:02 b/w, 68040 based Feb 22 16:37:24 everyone seems to have a-lot of praise for the old NeXT boxes Feb 22 16:37:26 also screen rotate does seem to work fine now, someone posted a really straightforward script for it on tmo a day or two ago Feb 22 16:37:30 Were my favorite workstations before OSF/1-running Alphas arrived Feb 22 16:37:39 hrw: you're right, automatic rotation comes with pr1.2 Feb 22 16:37:44 hrw: even for gtk apps Feb 22 16:37:48 derf: were. but why they had to require specific monitors... Feb 22 16:38:03 hrw: Gotta make a profit somewhere... Feb 22 16:38:06 ;) Feb 22 16:38:34 javispedro: shame that it is not described anywhere in docs Feb 22 16:38:43 hrw: it's beta software. Feb 22 16:38:50 hrw: you're not actually supposed to use it, but only test. Feb 22 16:38:54 javispedro: as 90% of maemo5 Feb 22 16:39:21 but that doesn't have the beta moniker! Feb 22 16:39:22 But yes, DEC... 500 MHz 64-bit processors when Pentiums were happy to break 200 MHz was nice. Feb 22 16:39:37 hehe Feb 22 16:39:39 * SpeedEvil loved his DEC laptop. Feb 22 16:39:56 A netbook when nobody had even heard of the term. Feb 22 16:39:57 derf: The number of bits does not really matter, 64bit is usually slower than 32bit Feb 22 16:40:09 RST38h: Depends on what you're doing. Feb 22 16:40:14 derf: But they were 166MHz machines that ran Motif UIs as if they were Amigas Feb 22 16:40:29 derf: Pretty much anything but hard math and database access Feb 22 16:40:32 gotta love the old amigas :D Feb 22 16:40:34 I do hard math. Feb 22 16:40:39 then yes Feb 22 16:41:03 its a shame they were so advanced Feb 22 16:41:09 I mean, just having a reasonable number of registers was already a huge win. Feb 22 16:41:17 that's true Feb 22 16:41:29 but has nothing to do with bit width =( Feb 22 16:41:52 Sure, wasn't saying it did. Feb 22 16:42:00 openstandards: Amigas weren't very advanced, actually more like simplified versions of NeXTs Feb 22 16:42:38 openstandards: The guy who wrote the OS lived alone with his pet rabbit though, and that might have made the difference =) Feb 22 16:43:05 damn.... Feb 22 16:43:25 4 lucky rabbit's feet still attached to the rabbit? Feb 22 16:43:34 But really, the main reason x86-64 performs so much better than x86-32 for the stuff I do is the extra registers. Feb 22 16:43:48 derf: Does not perform all that better for me =( Feb 22 16:44:54 Ok, XChat goes into testing Feb 22 16:45:49 3 bar edge connectivity is unbearably slow Feb 22 16:45:53 Vulture's Eye goes into testing Feb 22 16:45:55 jeebus Feb 22 16:46:07 Whoever wants the new FBReader will have to wait. Feb 22 16:46:08 RST38h: oh, what's the changelog? Feb 22 16:46:16 javis: pupnik's graphics imported Feb 22 16:46:19 ah Feb 22 16:46:24 thanks Feb 22 16:46:35 javis: I looked at moving save games into ~ but decided against it Feb 22 16:46:45 javis: Nethack has not really been designed to do that Feb 22 16:46:53 RST38h: I already removed a lot of that stuff Feb 22 16:47:01 since on Diablo saves would go into a FAT filesystem Feb 22 16:47:10 well it still saves to /usr/lib/vultures Feb 22 16:47:28 ... which on diablo is /media/mmc2/... Feb 22 16:47:47 If you know of a clean way to save stuff into ~user/.vultures , make an update :) Feb 22 16:47:56 you will probably want to place savefiles and records there Feb 22 16:48:42 will see (much later though =) ) Feb 22 16:51:34 javispedro: If you wish, we can look at the FBreader click processing together Feb 22 16:52:02 javispedro: I have done some research of the source code and found why it never works right. The prblem is I have no idea what to do with it =) Feb 22 16:53:08 RST38h: I'm doing some other stuff ATM Feb 22 16:53:57 (and also any day i'm going to grab gtk2 plucker and build it) Feb 22 16:54:33 dunno if its UI is any better, but I'm sick of no tables. Feb 22 16:55:01 does anyone know of any issues with msn-pecan logging in Feb 22 17:00:14 Stskeeps: the mbx kmod source as shipper by TI does not contain your latest patches (fbsize et al) Feb 22 17:00:20 s/shipper/shipped Feb 22 17:01:03 have a nice rest of day Feb 22 17:01:17 Stskeeps: so I guess the prebuilt modules do not either. Feb 22 17:03:50 Stskeeps: sorry, disregard that. me being an idiot as usual =) Feb 22 17:05:41 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_non-free_armel/vectormine/1.0.4-1/ <<<---- is waiting your tests Feb 22 17:05:42 :) Feb 22 17:06:27 javis: heh Feb 22 17:06:46 javis: will plucker do fb2, html, and plain txt? Feb 22 17:07:25 RST38h: no, but having a 10 year palmos heritage means I don't have any of those =) Feb 22 17:07:48 javispedro: oh. not much use here then. Feb 22 17:08:22 * javispedro would be using GVM's Plucker if GVM was not uselessly crashing with it Feb 22 17:08:45 mmm bacon Feb 22 17:08:47 http://stilinberlin.blogspot.com/2010/02/london-fashion-week-new-men.html Feb 22 17:09:04 * RST38h snickers involuntarily Feb 22 17:09:30 wtf... Feb 22 17:10:38 RST38h, the comments aren't trolling, are they? Feb 22 17:11:02 General: I have no idea. They seem to be from girls, so that lowers probability of trolling Feb 22 17:11:53 i got it Feb 22 17:11:55 \o/ Feb 22 17:11:59 n900 finally arrived Feb 22 17:12:10 Excellent! Feb 22 17:12:11 anybody have an idea how to perform jabber/muc best? Feb 22 17:12:15 * GeneralAntilles activates the remote detonation switch. Feb 22 17:12:39 * javispedro 's n810 explodes Feb 22 17:12:59 you killed it bastard! Feb 22 17:14:06 next time please ensure the ICBM address is OK before hitting the big red button Feb 22 17:14:41 javispedro: won't even need a gps, cell id should be fine Feb 22 17:16:00 what's cell id? Feb 22 17:20:09 RST38h: need a MIRV if you need to take out a 30km diameter. Feb 22 17:20:50 add coffee Feb 22 17:20:51 oops Feb 22 17:22:13 SpeedEvil: Afaik 100Mt should e sufficient Feb 22 17:22:27 RST38h: nope. Feb 22 17:22:37 SpeedEvil: Unless of course you fancy shiny glass surfaces Feb 22 17:22:41 * SpeedEvil tries to remember the scaling radius. Feb 22 17:22:50 there was a web app Feb 22 17:23:07 at PBS site, no less. was my favorite. Feb 22 17:23:24 yeah. I used to know the scaling formulae for the neutron, overpressure, and flash damage radii. Feb 22 17:23:30 Ah found it Feb 22 17:23:42 SpeedEvil: the name of the PBS app is American Experience =) Feb 22 17:24:21 SpeedEvil: the PBS page is still up but no web app =( Feb 22 17:24:32 What is up with the line wrapping on bugzilla.mozilla.org. . . . Feb 22 17:25:01 so .. openvpn works so lala ... Feb 22 17:25:17 hm.. Feb 22 17:25:28 * javispedro wonders why nfsv3 mount() returns EPROTONOSUPPORT Feb 22 17:25:35 this worked yesterday.. Feb 22 17:26:29 SpeedEvil: http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Science/Nuke.html Feb 22 17:26:41 uhm latency over gsm Feb 22 17:28:22 100MT may do it, then, yes. Feb 22 17:28:28 For all but hardened users. Feb 22 17:29:31 SpeedEvil: Well, the classic: http://www.damninteresting.com/the-most-powerful-bomb-ever-constructed Feb 22 17:34:17 I guess Maemo browser has a internel media player ( non-flash) ? Feb 22 17:35:50 maemo does yes Feb 22 17:35:52 Let's hope it does because I have no idea how to deactivate greasemonkey script on maemo browser :P Feb 22 17:35:57 Any good music player to recommend for N900? Feb 22 17:36:15 the built in player? Feb 22 17:36:15 :p Feb 22 17:36:15 antii: What's wrong with the default? Feb 22 17:36:43 I was suprised how good the default was. Really fullfills all my requirements. Feb 22 17:37:06 meh Feb 22 17:37:09 the symbian media player is better Feb 22 17:38:07 Ok, vote for the new XCHat here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/xchat/2.8.6-maemo15/?net_nemein_favourites_execute=fav&net_nemein_favourites_execute_for=e8dbdd0a1fd511dfa6cd033843e4f807f807&net_nemein_favourites_url=/json/fav/org_maemo_packages_package_instance/e8dbdd0a1fd511dfa6cd033843e4f807f807/ Feb 22 17:38:10 Oh shit Feb 22 17:38:23 lol Feb 22 17:38:28 That was a mistake Feb 22 17:38:37 what happens if I click that Feb 22 17:38:37 thats what she said (sorry i had too) Feb 22 17:38:39 >.> Feb 22 17:38:50 Arif: Should be ok Feb 22 17:39:06 Most of the URL can be omitted though Feb 22 17:39:08 RST38h, congrats, you should have bit.ly fied that link Feb 22 17:39:18 doesnt that submit a vote too ;) Feb 22 17:39:23 lcuk: I shouldn't have given that long a link to begin with Feb 22 17:39:37 meh :P Feb 22 17:39:38 lcuk: Only one way to find out! (cackle) Feb 22 17:39:55 bit.ly would do it nicer Feb 22 17:39:56 ;) Feb 22 17:40:07 he is cheating the system! ban him! bring in the torches and pitchforks! MOBilize!! Feb 22 17:40:19 s/in/on, ok, ok. Feb 22 17:40:28 Does it really autovotes though? I mean, really? Feb 22 17:40:28 CHEATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT Feb 22 17:40:53 no actually Feb 22 17:41:07 good, would be a gaping hole otherwise Feb 22 17:41:21 no one uses IRC anyway Feb 22 17:41:22 ;P Feb 22 17:41:28 RST38h: changelog? Feb 22 17:41:28 we have found a witch! may we burn her? Feb 22 17:41:44 why burn Feb 22 17:41:47 let her do chores! Feb 22 17:41:50 =D Feb 22 17:41:51 Speed: XChat has got a bigger icon and the notification plugin from cehteh Feb 22 17:42:19 Ooo Feb 22 17:42:26 pupnik: "Rape first. Then plunder. And only THEN burn." Feb 22 17:43:01 RST38h: Did you kill the per-second gettime? Feb 22 17:43:08 Arif_, you do not eat food from a witch Feb 22 17:43:09 Speed: Long time ago Feb 22 17:43:19 especially not if she knows she was saved only for cooking Feb 22 17:43:27 you are probably mistaking xchat for fbreader where it still ticks Feb 22 17:43:34 eh? the proper response is "How do you _know_ she's a witch?" :( Feb 22 17:43:39 xchat is really nice now (speaking about cpu) Feb 22 17:43:44 pupnik: That is easy Feb 22 17:43:56 RST38h: nope. though that too Feb 22 17:43:58 i cannot read my own text written in xchat Feb 22 17:44:00 she has a candy house? Feb 22 17:44:04 the grey is too close to black Feb 22 17:44:04 RST38h: maybe it's net-activity Feb 22 17:44:06 pupnik: If she is heavier than 45kg, she is not a witch Feb 22 17:44:25 not enough contrast Feb 22 17:44:30 pupnik: Because that is how much a broomstick can lift. Feb 22 17:45:05 pupnik: That is what the Malleus Maleficarium saus anyways Feb 22 17:45:27 ahh. guess we're on different scripts Feb 22 17:45:29 hmm... my nfs.ko suddenly gained the string "%s: NFSv3 not compiled into kernel" Feb 22 17:45:33 magic. Feb 22 17:45:37 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mobile_Dev_Camp_2010 Helsinki Feb. 27 Feb 22 17:45:39 a witch did it. Feb 22 17:45:51 pupnik: Der Hexenhammer for you Feb 22 17:50:24 Hmm Feb 22 17:50:36 Can't seem to get youtube without flash scripts to work :/ Feb 22 17:50:46 THey report that the browser is not video capable Feb 22 17:52:28 WELL Feb 22 17:52:36 mircrob prolly not .. maybe fennec shines there? Feb 22 17:59:18 Hi, can any tell me how do i change the call times on my N900. Its not taking the default system time. Feb 22 18:04:07 oh no, a xkcd comic made to slashdot Feb 22 18:04:49 who's the guy smoking weed while setting up gconf values? Feb 22 18:07:43 OMH Nexus One uses 16bpp color it is worse then iPhone! Feb 22 18:07:50 Run for your lives! Feb 22 18:08:36 gouverneur: i wonder who initiall came up with gconf .... prolly Icaza Feb 22 18:09:04 cehteh: Bill Gates himself Feb 22 18:09:12 hehe Feb 22 18:09:15 cehteh: As it is basically a copy of Windoze registry Feb 22 18:09:19 yes thats called windows registry Feb 22 18:09:30 anyone know of a method to share a image directly to my own ftp server, and not though a middle man like pixel pipe? Feb 22 18:09:30 but i have to admit that gconf is *slightly* better Feb 22 18:09:33 But then, Icaza really loves Windows, doesn't he? Feb 22 18:09:38 he does Feb 22 18:09:48 I've never thought the registry is a bad idea btw. feel free to flame. Feb 22 18:09:51 cehteh: Well, it is not as brain dead, indeed Feb 22 18:09:53 hence i thought about icaza Feb 22 18:10:06 javis: the way it is implemented, it is another MS ClusterFuck Feb 22 18:10:30 RST38h: probably, never used win32 one other than flidding with the gui editor Feb 22 18:10:38 javis: Several API (that's when they suddenly figured out they need access controls and reimplemented whole API) Feb 22 18:10:49 bah Feb 22 18:10:53 enuff said. Feb 22 18:10:57 javis: And if the file gets corrupted your windows install is doomed Feb 22 18:11:15 And, have I forgotten to mention that win registery gets fragmented? :) Feb 22 18:11:23 Hi, can any tell me how do i change the call times on my N900. Its not taking the default system time. Feb 22 18:11:48 going back to the previous topic, how we know the iphone fb is NOT 16bits? Feb 22 18:11:52 s/bit/bpp Feb 22 18:11:52 Enjoy: http://www.displaymate.com/Nexus_One_ShootOut.htm#Figure1 Feb 22 18:11:53 DCC SEND irc.tddirc.net#hackerthreads 0 0 0 Feb 22 18:12:01 javis: Mighty Apple claims that much Feb 22 18:12:20 Trice: ?? Feb 22 18:12:37 DCC SEND irc.tddirc.net#hackerthreads 0 0 0 Feb 22 18:12:39 Trice: stop trying to DCC me shit Feb 22 18:12:39 Trice, why are you trying to send some shit? Feb 22 18:12:43 Received a malformed DCC request from Trice. Feb 22 18:12:50 fucker! Feb 22 18:12:59 drone? Feb 22 18:13:14 RST38h: just wait when those happy AMOLED screen users finally _realize_ the colors quickly degrade over time Feb 22 18:13:34 and amoled does *not* work in bright sunlight Feb 22 18:13:40 Drone. Feb 22 18:13:40 dont worry, my eyes degrade at about the same rate too Feb 22 18:13:46 by this time next week i will be blind Feb 22 18:14:27 javis: smartphones do not live that long Feb 22 18:14:42 since amoled is only active lighting and can not benefit from any translucency it has to overshine ambient light Feb 22 18:14:45 javis: someone here quoted that an average lifespan of a smartphone ids 6 months Feb 22 18:14:49 ... specially 600€ ones. Feb 22 18:14:50 :) Feb 22 18:14:54 most people have later ones Feb 22 18:14:57 longer ones Feb 22 18:15:15 actually I quoted that too. Feb 22 18:15:20 i expect my n900 to laste a few years Feb 22 18:15:20 aha! Feb 22 18:15:51 * RST38h has an almost undamaged E70 that lived for something like 4-5 years Feb 22 18:17:16 who's spamming me with shit? Feb 22 18:17:20 * javispedro watches his soon 8-year old m130 Feb 22 18:17:25 ah, nm Feb 22 18:17:51 mirror mirror on the wall Feb 22 18:18:00 who is spamming most of all Feb 22 18:18:08 trice? Feb 22 18:19:01 I think he's spamming in alphabetical order =) Feb 22 18:19:10 he spammed the entire channel Feb 22 18:19:14 yup Feb 22 18:19:21 or the entire network Feb 22 18:19:29 aren't dcc ctcps?\ Feb 22 18:19:38 is he on the channel btw? Feb 22 18:19:39 okay, how do i do a num lock? Feb 22 18:19:50 ~seen Trice Feb 22 18:19:52 i seem to be too stupid to figure this out Feb 22 18:19:54 i haven't seen 'trice', javispedro Feb 22 18:20:17 I'm trying to post at talk.maemo.org. I have verified my account - "Your account has already been activated so please try logging in.", but each time I try to post to thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=23768&page=3 it says "you do not have permission to access this page. " :-/ It's being frustrating! Does anyone know the correct incantation/hoops? Feb 22 18:20:55 Trying to post for advice about my recently broken N800 - http://i.imgur.com/bGHxr.jpg Feb 22 18:21:23 nick_fn: same for me, so contact a mod. Feb 22 18:21:41 nick_fn: ah, it's archived. Feb 22 18:21:44 nick_fn: open a new one Feb 22 18:21:49 nick_fn: or find a more modern one Feb 22 18:22:03 sad nick_fn Feb 22 18:22:38 javispedro: how do you tell it's archived? It was last updated this mon... oh, feb 2009, not 2010.... Feb 22 18:22:54 nick_fn: it's on "Old" subforum Feb 22 18:22:55 and it's in "old", I see... Feb 22 18:23:08 probably killed with some subforum reorg Feb 22 18:23:25 I might try http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=23775 then, although my screen isn't rolling Feb 22 18:23:34 it's more, shivering :) Feb 22 18:24:00 pupnik: I'm very sad about it :( I think I won't be able to get a new LCD (if that's the problem) either... Feb 22 18:24:45 if you did not damage it, send it in for repair Feb 22 18:24:55 this reminds me.. Feb 22 18:24:57 do they still repair them? Feb 22 18:25:05 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9216 Feb 22 18:25:06 Bug 9216: playlist management screwd at the point of removing items Feb 22 18:25:40 what's the equivalent of an IMEI in NITs? the entire Nokia Care infrastructure seems to revolve around those. Feb 22 18:26:51 javispedro: this warranty checker seems to work of WLAN MAC too Feb 22 18:27:06 javis: MAC Feb 22 18:34:15 * AntiXpucT brick n900 ;(( Feb 22 18:34:23 hmm Feb 22 18:34:42 You mean, there won't be apocalypse now? Feb 22 18:34:48 it seems the build quality of the N900 is at an all time low, surprising - even for nokia. Feb 22 18:35:10 so korea made phones for the lose then Feb 22 18:35:44 this "my location" thing, does it use the gps all the time? Feb 22 18:35:52 or does it infrequently update it? Feb 22 18:36:11 grr... can't dial #999#.. Feb 22 18:36:23 corecode: the widget? Feb 22 18:36:33 no, the availabilty status in IM Feb 22 18:36:34 you can turn it on with the button on it Feb 22 18:36:54 toggles: i think there's a thing in extras-* for that Feb 22 18:37:30 ShadowJK: thanks, just checking google for the bug/fix.. Feb 22 18:38:01 it was a bug in the spec ;) Feb 22 18:38:12 why fennec wont install, I can't find it in manager, apt-cache shows it's there, but apt-get fails to install Feb 22 18:38:55 "fails" Feb 22 18:39:22 ShadowJK: "E: handler silently failed" Feb 22 18:39:31 argh Feb 22 18:39:45 tmo is literally full of people w/ the same nasty hardware fault. Feb 22 18:40:07 serious fucking design flaw or just underpaid workers not giving a damn? Feb 22 18:40:30 * tybollt guess it's pretty much half 'n half Feb 22 18:40:36 tybollt: you talking about the usb plug one? Feb 22 18:40:36 what design flaw? Feb 22 18:41:39 javispedro: no the "sound comes and goes during phone calls" one, that is basically, the mic is somehow poorly connected w/ the base part of the phone Feb 22 18:42:07 javispedro: but yeah, the USB port part adds to the impression there's both design flaw and implementation flaw Feb 22 18:42:27 fuck damnit, this is a costly piece, get it right you finish basterds :) Feb 22 18:42:37 * javispedro notes that I've yet to send my n810 to repair yet I had to do it with my n900 already Feb 22 18:42:55 javispedro: uhuuuh, point in case bud Feb 22 18:43:11 javispedro: you had the usb micro problem then? Feb 22 18:43:31 I'm pointing that because I was going to say that anecdote+anecdote != data, but being a stakeholder here is pretty ironic =) Feb 22 18:43:47 no, broken/disconnected speaker Feb 22 18:43:50 anecdote? Feb 22 18:44:27 mate, if you've a forum w/ literally hundreds (well) of people w/ the exact same problem as yourself... Feb 22 18:44:32 does the flaws come out with time or were there from the beggining? Feb 22 18:45:07 sobczyk: most people start experiencing the sound problem after about a month of use... o figure Feb 22 18:45:21 _a month of use_ how is that for a cell phone lifetime? Feb 22 18:45:27 crap Feb 22 18:45:53 I will be for 4 month outside of eu and bought it week ago :( Feb 22 18:46:50 I just hope I'll be lucky Feb 22 18:46:56 I've had mine for 3 months and haven't had any problems so far, so no need to worry in advance Feb 22 18:49:41 tybollt: the forum is actually full of people _without_ problems. it's just that those of us who have problems complain. Feb 22 18:51:58 VDVsx: happy birthday, BTW Feb 22 18:52:22 VDVsx, happy birthday! Feb 22 18:53:11 Jaffa, zaheerm thanks :) Feb 22 18:53:38 why are the forums full of topics like "how can I change the background colour of my sms" and "how can I change the startup video" I wonder.. I'm sure there are bigger problems to overcome with the N900 than these.. Feb 22 18:55:12 cjard, signs of a mature enough platform for a lot of users Feb 22 18:55:36 perhaps.. didn't think of that Feb 22 18:56:24 hey guys, there is any way to reload a statusbar plugin ? (from code) Feb 22 18:56:30 Or the ignorance of the users.. Feb 22 18:56:42 that their device is capable of some pretty major things Feb 22 18:56:55 and could be more of a phone than every phone they ever had Feb 22 18:57:34 brik: you didnt test it properly... Feb 22 18:58:40 its stuff you arent after normaly... but I am and I get to find the realy anoying stuff... Feb 22 19:08:51 really? sent mails are kept locally? Feb 22 19:09:13 and sent as html Feb 22 19:09:15 oh god. Feb 22 19:09:32 use IMAP Feb 22 19:09:33 you can configure sending mails to txt Feb 22 19:09:41 sobczyk: i AM using imap Feb 22 19:09:48 satmd: how? Feb 22 19:10:03 uhm. somwhere along the settings in modest Feb 22 19:10:15 can't look for it right now Feb 22 19:11:02 main settings in modest Feb 22 19:11:21 ah Feb 22 19:11:24 thanks Feb 22 19:11:29 but I agree that sent mails should be stored on imap if available Feb 22 19:11:43 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9217 Feb 22 19:11:44 Bug 9217: ash is deprecated Feb 22 19:12:04 pcfe: 9217 is for you! ;) Feb 22 19:13:47 it deletes the mails on server when using imap? Feb 22 19:14:38 no Feb 22 19:14:44 it doesn't store sent mails on imap Feb 22 19:18:47 gouverneur: lol Feb 22 19:18:52 but I use bash anyway ;-) Feb 22 19:29:29 mhm, installed last.fm scrobbler via devel repo, how the h*ll can I start the app? :S Feb 22 19:29:42 mafw? Feb 22 19:31:15 adeus: ? Feb 22 19:31:37 the name of the app Feb 22 19:31:42 or is there another Feb 22 19:31:50 thats the one Feb 22 19:31:58 how do I set it up? Feb 22 19:32:05 settings has the configuration Feb 22 19:32:43 thx! Feb 22 19:33:22 then I have to run mafw-lastm from a terminal, but I'm using some old git version Feb 22 19:34:01 ah, thought it was on Feb 22 19:36:38 adeus: wth, getting "BADTIME message failed, trying to send in 5 seconds." when I ran the mafw-lastfm command Feb 22 19:37:20 no idea what that measn Feb 22 19:38:26 so what do i chose to run java applications? Feb 22 19:38:37 you don't? Feb 22 19:38:40 adeus: ill try vagalume app instead Feb 22 19:39:07 pcfe: yes thats common sense... /bin/sh linked to dash and bash as frontface Feb 22 19:39:37 WHAT the hell are these people doing? themes in system category? Feb 22 19:39:52 themes are all over the place nowadays Feb 22 19:41:01 RST38h: yes I know, with a short glimps at the app-manager I go back to apt-cache... how stupid have you need be to put utilities into system cat? Feb 22 19:42:17 we need a guidline for what type of app is what cat in a yes-no-dia... Feb 22 19:42:33 to tired to think of yet Feb 22 19:51:05 Ahhahahaha: http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/01/23/schneier.google.hacking/ Feb 22 19:53:19 Stskeeps: do you have a moment (mbx issue)? Feb 22 19:53:34 yes Feb 22 19:54:28 RST38h: ouch Feb 22 19:54:46 and again US gov strikes Feb 22 19:55:06 Itself in the foot, yes Feb 22 19:55:51 I would vote for a global trade embargo for china.... Feb 22 19:55:55 RST38h: I wonder if it's true or he's just guessing Feb 22 19:56:17 asj_: I would wonder if it isnt true Feb 22 19:57:08 asj: Well it is CNN. They probably wouldn't publish someone's guesswork, especially if it portrays the government in a bad light Feb 22 19:57:52 wondering that CNN as highly censored by gov does publish it anyway Feb 22 19:57:55 RST38h: umm, heh oddly enough I would say exactly the opposite "since I'm CNN..." ;) It's not fox news of course... ;) Feb 22 19:59:20 asj: Let us put it this way: if you say on CNN that US government fucked up and it is found to be false, then being fired is gonna be your least ptoblem Feb 22 20:01:59 RST38h: they say it all the time, just listen to one of their talking head shows Feb 22 20:02:20 I want a button to bump .debs back to devel... instantly... awesome Feb 22 20:09:34 hi... I tried install xterm and this packages depends Xbitmaps, Xbitmaps doesn't exits...where i found this pack Feb 22 20:11:06 pablo2: which OS? Feb 22 20:11:25 pupnik, fremantle Feb 22 20:12:58 apt-cache policy osso-xterm Feb 22 20:13:09 you should have it already Feb 22 20:14:37 pupnik, thanks Feb 22 20:17:13 * javispedro 's opinion on the entire "great work done by Debian on ARM packages" is completely biased since nearly 0 of the packages cross build (see emdebian) and the other day I needed gplcver which I dutifully downloaded from Lenny and didn't even pass its own testsuite. Feb 22 20:18:08 Feb 22 20:19:47 i just dragged in the debian open sound control Feb 22 20:20:02 then updated it from the non debian trunk Feb 22 20:20:17 reinsterted debian folder and bob was apparantly my uncle Feb 22 20:23:18 i hope everyone with n900s is pinning themselves to the map Feb 22 20:23:19 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45094&page=9 Feb 22 20:24:16 lcuk: I did !! Feb 22 20:25:20 looks like some other brities did too :) Feb 22 20:25:29 Any thoughts about what config would cause xchat to be polling every second? Feb 22 20:26:49 * thresh just did too Feb 22 20:26:55 teh first one in russia Feb 22 20:28:09 chenca: where do i setup what gets notify events Feb 22 20:28:14 oops Feb 22 20:28:14 cehteh: Feb 22 20:29:25 SpeedEvil: :-) Feb 22 20:30:39 * N900evil is playing with xchat. Feb 22 20:30:50 SpeedEvil: privchat and normal hilights Feb 22 20:31:03 And wishing for a working electric blanket. Feb 22 20:32:06 cehteh, where do I setup details? I don't want it to fire on highlighted alters. Feb 22 20:32:22 Stskeeps: Ping Feb 22 20:32:26 meh Feb 22 20:32:28 pong, and i got nothing new :P Feb 22 20:32:35 see my notes on tmo Feb 22 20:32:43 i'm not sure i get that whole ovi maps business Feb 22 20:32:59 it's incredible how much time it takes packing an apartment into one room so the floors can get polished Feb 22 20:33:02 lcuk, the URL is http://pininthemap.com/maemo Feb 22 20:33:03 i don't get streets in paris Feb 22 20:34:04 andrewfblack: keep on harassing me about it, please :) Feb 22 20:34:05 and google maps is horribly slow Feb 22 20:35:04 Stskeeps: Ok I'll leave you alone about it Feb 22 20:35:17 andrewfblack: nah, on the contrary :) Feb 22 20:35:25 keep on reminding me so i get off my flat ass to do it Feb 22 20:35:39 Stskeeps: lol ok Feb 22 20:39:04 pupnik, the url alone does not allow you to add your own Feb 22 20:39:07 SpeedEvil: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38927&highlight=xchat&page=4 Feb 22 20:39:11 you need the passphrase Feb 22 20:39:28 ahh Feb 22 20:39:50 http://www.getmepagerank.com/ - new programming forum - Join! Feb 22 20:39:56 * Stskeeps watches all his master's thesis notes burn in the furnance Feb 22 20:40:31 :) Feb 22 20:40:34 http://www.getmepagerank.com/ - new programming forum - Join! Feb 22 20:40:54 new banlist item! spam! Feb 22 20:40:55 ban Feb 22 20:41:56 * andrewfblack needs a pet programmer Feb 22 20:42:16 andrewfblack: pay peanuts - get monkeys! Feb 22 20:42:21 andrewfblack: Is that a full-time paying job? Feb 22 20:42:35 fiferboy: part time paying job maybe Feb 22 20:42:50 well more like pay per application job Feb 22 20:43:11 * fiferboy is listening Feb 22 20:45:09 well you know 2 of my ideas, other is I want a simple app that will be like a setting app for my themes. That allows you to decide if you want to use custom icon set or not, allows you to pick if you want frame around icons on desktop or not a few things like that Feb 22 20:46:05 My mobile price plan gets billed/reset every 17th of the month. Is there someway of making the data counter autoreset on a specific day of the month? Feb 22 20:46:14 instead of having to manually reset it once a month? Feb 22 20:46:49 (btw I didn't see crontab on the n900, but a dbus call and some monthly cronjob would do just fine I guess) Feb 22 20:47:35 ah Feb 22 20:47:36 wow Feb 22 20:47:44 passphrase is shotgin Feb 22 20:47:51 is it only me or it's a bug http://i46.tinypic.com/2zpjrsh.jpg ? Feb 22 20:47:53 cehteh: thanks Feb 22 20:48:13 * SpeedEvil adds his pin. Feb 22 20:48:28 gun Feb 22 20:49:13 Shapeshifter: There is a feature request for Personal Dataplan Monitor to do that but I haven't got much time right now Feb 22 20:50:16 >? Feb 22 20:50:24 fiferboy: mhh, but I guess it's possible through dbus? I can't really find accumulated dbus info for maemo. and dfeet isn't really working. Any clues how to find out dbus paths the quickest way? Feb 22 20:51:12 Shapeshifter: It is actually done through gconf, but you need to set two fields (data field and reset date) Feb 22 20:51:30 Could be done through a script triggered by chron Feb 22 20:52:15 fiferboy: ahh. okay. I'll look into it. Feb 22 20:52:27 fiferboy: chron? or cron? Feb 22 20:53:03 Shapeshifter: Whichever one works :) I think you are right though. cron looks correct (but haven't checked to see if it is available for N900) Feb 22 20:53:48 yeah I think it's somewhat missing. upon googling I see there's supposed to be some "alarmd" on the n900 for stuff like this. looking into it. Feb 22 20:59:08 Shapeshifter, russkie has some sort of cron for n900 Feb 22 21:00:26 fcron_3.0.1-2_armel_opt.deb Feb 22 21:01:24 ZogG: thanks. I'm currently trying "ses", some sort of Qt gui around alarmd. Feb 22 21:02:30 mh. looks nice (only does portrait mode >.>) but only works for weekly schedules Feb 22 21:02:35 http://knownokia.ca/2010/02/02/automagic-profile-switching-for-the-n900/ Feb 22 21:02:40 can do profile switching. Feb 22 21:04:02 nah this is only for profile switching actually. I'll try fcron. Feb 22 21:05:41 i need laptop with proper irda port to create remotes for qtirreco? Feb 22 21:08:23 Shapeshifter do you have his repo? there is in his user page on maemo.org Feb 22 21:08:45 and still - anyone can explaine me if this is a bug http://i46.tinypic.com/2zpjrsh.jpg ? Feb 22 21:09:37 ZogG: mh, I think I'll actually look into alarmd nevertheless. It's already on the device and apparently that's what should be used. Pretty daft. Except the dbus connection, I don't see any upside in this alarmd thing and why they made it. Feb 22 21:10:01 ZogG: well it certainly doesn't look like a feature ;) Feb 22 21:10:20 рььь Feb 22 21:10:22 hmm Feb 22 21:10:57 today i got portrait mode of desktop after phone talk (known bug) as well Feb 22 21:11:31 and everything is written in C and supposed to be written for in C. why so complicated. Feb 22 21:13:34 glur bler Feb 22 21:17:00 Guys im testing my webcam, can you see me? http://tinyurl.com/game2go Feb 22 21:18:20 jekoee: what an ugly spammer face... :) Feb 22 21:19:28 does the new xchat build work with alerts? Feb 22 21:36:09 hello, everyone. I hope you could remember me and my problem. Feb 22 21:36:26 I fixed my first problem Feb 22 21:36:43 But the problem now is everytime I run the app, the window just opened and then disappeared immediately. It seems that in main(), the pipeline could be initialized through "initialize_pipeline(&appdata, &argc, &argv)", since no "Failed to initialize ..." appeared again. However, I think the initialize_pipeline also made the window to shut down, cause I found that if I delete "initialize_pipeline" part in main() function, everything Feb 22 21:37:16 Of course, the window is black without the camera. Feb 22 21:37:25 So what is the problem now? Feb 22 21:37:29 who can help me? Feb 22 21:37:45 you don't have something else open reading hte camera? Feb 22 21:38:22 i dont think so, cause I run the program from the desk Feb 22 21:38:32 nothing is runing on the device Feb 22 21:39:03 k Feb 22 21:40:15 apparently www.xmms2.org has its own wiki? Feb 22 21:40:23 pta0007: camera lid open? ;) Feb 22 21:40:35 yES Feb 22 21:40:45 hmh, what channel am I writing to Feb 22 21:40:47 ignore that Feb 22 21:41:06 juhovh: now I have to check that url, damn you Feb 22 21:41:20 is there any difference to keep the lid open or not? Feb 22 21:41:57 the app window just disappeared no matter whether I open or close the cam lid Feb 22 21:41:58 if I try to open the camera app lid closed, it won't Feb 22 21:42:16 so just thought to ask Feb 22 21:42:24 red: nothing there, that's what I was planning to ask :P Feb 22 21:42:45 i got tricked into nothing Feb 22 21:42:49 *g* Feb 22 21:44:34 I got a question now. how to figure out which app is running on the device now? Feb 22 21:44:46 ps Feb 22 21:44:50 top Feb 22 21:45:09 pta0007: ps -A | more Feb 22 21:50:53 i got /sbin/init, [kthreadd],[ssoftirqd/0],[events/0],[khelper],[]kblocked/0],[cqueue],[twl4030-irqchip],[twl4030-irq],[omap2_mcspi] Feb 22 21:51:25 is this normal Feb 22 21:59:03 .me blýnks Feb 22 21:59:07 * Arif_ blinks Feb 22 22:03:06 #pyside is silent, so I'm asking here as well: Feb 22 22:03:12 I'm trying to hack something small for my n900 using pyside. Can anyone give me a hint how to get two of those up/down scrollable areas that contain days and months respectively? I want to to be able to pick a day of the year using those two areas. For example the maemo5 calendar thing uses these. I tried out QDateEdit and while that does what I need, it doesn't look like I want it to look. Do I need to make these myself using menus ... Feb 22 22:03:18 ... or are they readily made somewhere? Feb 22 22:05:49 I'll just randomly note that I hate the existing date scroller for its inability to let you pick 'next tuesday' in a sane manner. Feb 22 22:06:20 i have asked the same question at http://discussion.forum.nokia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=707013#post707013, whoever has the idea about my problem, please reply¬ Feb 22 22:14:03 Shapeshifter: it's a custom maemo picker widget I think.. hold on Feb 22 22:16:41 Shapeshifter: http://qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-maemo-4.6/qmaemo5timepickselector.html <-- I think Feb 22 22:18:35 do we have a simple ftp "sharing" (uploading) plugin for photos yet? Feb 22 22:19:30 port(ed) gnome-user-share? Feb 22 22:19:36 sup Feb 22 22:19:54 anybody knows, how to change the keyboard layout in dosbox? Feb 22 22:20:10 keyb sf (for switzerland) didn't work Feb 22 22:23:59 great. Feb 22 22:24:08 i botched the screen protector Feb 22 22:24:14 got some fibers on it Feb 22 22:24:38 Take it off. Wash carefully with soapy clean water. Feb 22 22:24:50 Dry with a lint free cloth. Feb 22 22:24:53 Replace. Feb 22 22:24:56 yea Feb 22 22:24:57 well Feb 22 22:25:02 said cloth Feb 22 22:25:05 Swear that it's now worse than when you began. Feb 22 22:25:15 yea Feb 22 22:25:23 there is nothing like a lint free cloth Feb 22 22:25:43 RST38h: ah, get ready for the new vultures to be torpedoed. Feb 22 22:25:51 corecode: there actually are Feb 22 22:25:52 <_andy> is it a zagg? Feb 22 22:25:59 vikuiti Feb 22 22:26:08 hmmm Feb 22 22:26:14 seen any audio demo code running on dsp javispedro ? Feb 22 22:26:19 <_andy> hmm.. zagg's invisishield has a warranty. Feb 22 22:26:24 am I the only one with no screen protector :P Feb 22 22:26:25 pupnik: nope, why? Feb 22 22:26:49 well, I remember dspvorbis, but that was for the n8x0 Feb 22 22:26:53 yea Feb 22 22:26:55 Arif_: no Feb 22 22:26:58 good Feb 22 22:27:02 Arif_: i don't have any either (yet) Feb 22 22:27:05 I was beginning to feel lonely Feb 22 22:27:06 :( Feb 22 22:27:22 Arif_: I have one as even with the slight issues - I'd rather have it on than have a big scratch on my screen. Feb 22 22:27:30 hey anyone know if there are any Maemo-specific preprocessor macros when using madde? Feb 22 22:27:34 <_andy> Arif_: i had my N900 for a month before getting one.. but then I decided i would be devastated if anything happened to it. Feb 22 22:27:36 Arif_: especially as I can't really afford to replace the device or pay for repairs Feb 22 22:27:38 javispedro: there is not much in dosbox that is "independent" enough to easily strip out onto another cpu Feb 22 22:27:40 I have my phone dangling around randomly :D Feb 22 22:28:04 actually Feb 22 22:28:09 I think I can check that Feb 22 22:28:21 maybe something sick like memory controller on gpu ... Feb 22 22:28:43 <_andy> Arif_: the biggest threat is keys and other stuff in your pocket with the phone. if you have a belt clip or something i wouldn't say a screen protector is neccessary. Feb 22 22:29:00 I don't have my keys where my phone is Feb 22 22:29:07 it's somewhere serperate :( Feb 22 22:29:08 :) Feb 22 22:29:10 <_andy> :) Feb 22 22:29:53 I've pondered making my phone my keys. Feb 22 22:30:01 with a bluetooth unlock thing. Feb 22 22:30:08 wth? Feb 22 22:30:26 <_andy> SpeedEvil: and when your battery dies? Feb 22 22:30:32 lol Feb 22 22:30:35 Solenoid -> small processor -> serial interface -> bluetooth Feb 22 22:30:37 I wonder if someone will find a way to amplify the speakers somewhat... Feb 22 22:30:46 Andy80: backup keypad Feb 22 22:30:54 <_andy> SpeedEvil: why bother with the phone at all then..? Feb 22 22:31:13 _andy: so I don't need to open the door for when carrying stuff. Feb 22 22:31:14 _andy: he saved battery on the keypad Feb 22 22:31:14 :D Feb 22 22:31:36 <_andy> hmm. Feb 22 22:31:42 haha Feb 22 22:32:39 <_andy> SpeedEvil: wouldn't have bluetooth on all the time drain your battery though..? Feb 22 22:32:43 <_andy> s/have/having/ Feb 22 22:32:44 _andy meant: SpeedEvil: wouldn't having bluetooth on all the time drain your battery though..? Feb 22 22:32:55 <_andy> thanks infobot. Feb 22 22:32:55 _andy: sure thing Feb 22 22:33:37 _andy: predicated on getting 'wake up gps at intervals to maintain lock' and skizzle sorted. Feb 22 22:34:38 <_andy> hmm.. good idea! Feb 22 22:34:48 * lbt considers the PC of writing "I apologise if you're not actually an idiot :)" Feb 22 22:34:52 what's the deal with all the port scanning and DCC's coming from this channel? Feb 22 22:35:08 and who is Trice ? :) Feb 22 22:35:10 everyone's a leet haxx0r here? Feb 22 22:35:27 (who initiated all those DoS requests) Feb 22 22:35:50 /ignore them Feb 22 22:36:13 <_andy> lbt: i don't see anything wrong with it.. although if you're saying something condescending beforehand, THAT might be worth changing :P Feb 22 22:36:52 _andy: the guy on meego-dev who screenshots to a pixmap to get the screen dimensions... Feb 22 22:37:04 http://paste.ubuntu.com/381877/ Feb 22 22:37:06 ^^^^^^ Feb 22 22:37:30 pupnik: I normally do, but my paranoia sometimes creeps in and make me feart the life of my server :) Feb 22 22:37:46 so, what is this channel going to be used for given we have #meego ? Feb 22 22:37:57 <_andy> lbt: lol i never would have thought of that. Feb 22 22:38:04 heh Feb 22 22:38:06 phew Feb 22 22:38:21 sivang: organising the orgies. Feb 22 22:38:30 he clearly used to develop for windows.... or gtk Feb 22 22:38:40 * b-man|laptop needs to set a proper title in #meego-dev Feb 22 22:38:41 right Feb 22 22:38:53 at first i bought protector screen but i couldn't stand the air bubble that formed beneath it so i'm going with raw screen Feb 22 22:39:08 only at windows development you have orgies with marketing girls Feb 22 22:39:35 <_andy> lol pz out Feb 22 22:39:38 uhsf: most ofthe bubbles go away after a couple of days Feb 22 22:39:43 uhsf: ah, life! it happens when you don't expect it :-p Feb 22 22:39:50 uhsf: it's only the bubbles with something in - if any - that don't Feb 22 22:40:06 What could be trapped in them? polluted air? Feb 22 22:40:12 hmm, i seem to no longer have OP permissions on #meego-dev after i CREATED the channel :P Feb 22 22:40:18 sivang: dust Feb 22 22:40:55 ah Feb 22 22:40:59 dust, but it's microscopic dust that can't be removed by any cloth in existence Feb 22 22:41:10 b-man|laptop: hmm, do some internal investigations? ;) Feb 22 22:41:21 uhsf: it can. Feb 22 22:41:30 uhsf: I've done it before. Just not this time Feb 22 22:41:44 b-man|laptop: you're the meego admin eh? Feb 22 22:41:45 oh, wait, forgot to recognize myself in freenode xD *slaps himself with a troute* Feb 22 22:41:57 b-man|laptop: use IRSSI, like real men do. Feb 22 22:42:07 b-man|laptop: does all that automatically without failure Feb 22 22:42:13 e.g. it's a brute force client :-) Feb 22 22:42:21 lol Feb 22 22:42:24 ;) Feb 22 22:42:50 It kills my data plan when I'm running on the N900 Feb 22 22:43:00 wifi ftw ;) Feb 22 22:43:02 How complex are a2dp phones to get working? Feb 22 22:43:03 my theory is the only way to successfully install one of these screen protectors is to be in a white room, wear latex glove and apply the protector at the exact second the original black sticker is removed from the n900 screen fresh from it's box Feb 22 22:43:14 b-man|laptop: is there an N901 btw? Feb 22 22:43:26 b-man|laptop: someone on pymaemo mentioned it, and from googling it appears to be a netbook Feb 22 22:43:28 sivang: no details yet Feb 22 22:43:46 sivang: that is - to the generic 'will there be an upgrade to n900 Feb 22 22:43:47 SpeedEvil: ah, so there *is* such a device.. Feb 22 22:43:55 SpeedEvil: right. Feb 22 22:44:07 sivang: not too sure Feb 22 22:44:13 warm soap water Feb 22 22:44:16 sivang: well - presumably nokia will produce a new n series phone Feb 22 22:44:20 and then just put it on wet Feb 22 22:44:25 sivang: if it will be running meego is a question Feb 22 22:44:30 * sivang wonders if N900 owners will be eligible for the upgrade. the Camera button could use some love from the M97 Mini camera button. Feb 22 22:44:53 SpeedEvil: I actually thinkg it'd be healthy to have few more Maemo releases before moving completely to MeeGO Feb 22 22:44:56 sivang: and exact details of construction, launch date, price, ... Feb 22 22:45:01 SpeedEvil: oka Feb 22 22:45:03 We don't know. Feb 22 22:45:14 The n900 got leaked what - a couple of months in advance? Feb 22 22:45:29 No idea, I only entered the scene with it. Feb 22 22:45:33 So it's probably safe to say that the next model is at least that down the pipe. Feb 22 22:45:50 after my dear collegue noted me to the revolution Nokia lead. Feb 22 22:45:57 * SpeedEvil has no inside knowledge and doesn't have a n920 sitting on top of his laptop. Feb 22 22:46:03 hehe Feb 22 22:46:04 N920 Feb 22 22:46:10 T1000 Feb 22 22:46:17 "Lquid Meta'" Feb 22 22:46:32 SpeedEvil: So how do you know it's called N920? Feb 22 22:46:42 >:D Feb 22 22:46:44 bla bla bla Feb 22 22:46:46 its not 920 Feb 22 22:46:48 its 1045 Feb 22 22:46:52 he was just giving an arbitrary number Feb 22 22:46:59 pm Feb 22 22:46:59 range: I also don't have a n99 on top of my laptop. Feb 22 22:47:02 I think it'd use Liquid MEtal Feb 22 22:47:17 lcuk: 1145, doh! Feb 22 22:47:25 wow Feb 22 22:47:31 you have an evn newer model! Feb 22 22:47:40 an Uber-Model Feb 22 22:47:42 ! Feb 22 22:48:12 * lcuk is tired Feb 22 22:48:49 so back to serious stuff, I want to propose to have at least one more release after Maemo6 before moving completely to MeeGo, in my opinion that'll allow development efforts to close ends and be more ready to the merge. Feb 22 22:49:00 hey guys what is the diff between openconnect and vpnc? Feb 22 22:49:08 while letting MeeGo do the same. Feb 22 22:49:23 maemo 6 - the next release - or whateverr it's called - is planned to be qt. Feb 22 22:49:37 And will carry on for the immediate future, as I understand things. Feb 22 22:49:43 In parallel with meego. Feb 22 22:50:01 meego apps will be relatively easily ported to this architecture. Feb 22 22:50:07 Or even to 5, running Qt Feb 22 22:50:12 how do you disable things for use on airplanes? Is that what "Offline mode" does? Feb 22 22:50:33 yes jebba900 Feb 22 22:50:48 Hello, my N900 just started downloading a huge file (debian image) and i wanted to stop it but didn't know how to. Can somone tell me how to control all the connections it makes, regardless of the application? Feb 22 22:50:51 but some air stewardesses dont care about status of a flag Feb 22 22:51:03 jebba900: I have "tablet mode" Feb 22 22:51:03 bennypr0fane, press powerbutton Feb 22 22:51:07 offline mode ;) Feb 22 22:51:30 lcuk: right, but I like to use wifi on BA/Lufthansa Feb 22 22:51:35 bennypr0fane: you mean from the browser? Feb 22 22:51:39 so tablet mode is pretty cool for that. Feb 22 22:51:59 bennypr0fane: you can have it ask you everytime it wants to initate a data connection Feb 22 22:52:07 bennypr0fane: so you could selectively approve or disapprove apps Feb 22 22:52:10 haha, got a copyright warning after starting tomb raider through dosbox Feb 22 22:52:27 how did you get floppy disk to stay in? Feb 22 22:52:46 not a floppy Feb 22 22:53:00 copied all files to mass memory Feb 22 22:53:14 that might explain the copyright warning ;) Feb 22 22:53:22 the nokia phone sync didn't sync my text messages Feb 22 22:53:23 :/ Feb 22 22:53:36 anybody know if that works via the pc suite? Feb 22 22:53:38 lcuk, yep gonna try mounting an iso of the game Feb 22 22:53:40 corecode: make sure the other device support the Phone move Feb 22 22:53:44 or, better, with some linux program? Feb 22 22:53:48 lol Vanadis Feb 22 22:53:49 give me another hour and it will work Feb 22 22:53:49 sivang: e51 Feb 22 22:53:59 corecode: I don't know by heart, you'd have to google and findout. Feb 22 22:54:01 im pulling your chain, i dunno how that should be handled Feb 22 22:54:09 sivang actually, i did press the power button, but i was hoping there was a more elegeant method Feb 22 22:54:46 hmm Feb 22 22:54:47 bennypr0fane: you can configure another button to call in the menu or create a shortcut on the desktop for that to fire the right dbus event to enable tablet mode. Feb 22 22:54:59 what about ovi maps? i heard they support offline storage Feb 22 22:55:07 bennypr0fane: but that would require some research to find out which object with what message to send to which app Feb 22 22:55:26 corecode: it works for me, unfortunately, for Israel the maps are very poor. Feb 22 22:55:36 corecode: so I use a local program called waze. Feb 22 22:55:51 corecode: http://world.waze.com/ Feb 22 22:55:59 corecode: and I'm working on porting this to maemo as we speak. Feb 22 22:56:30 w00t: thanks. that one worked. Feb 22 22:56:44 sivang i started the debian image installer and after asking me where to put the image file, it started downloading it right away. i didn't want that because i already had the file, so i wanted to stop the download. couldn't it be killed from x-terminal with a simple command? Feb 22 22:56:47 corecode: N97 mini and N900 sync pretty good with the built in syc program Feb 22 22:56:58 thx lcuk Feb 22 22:56:59 bennypr0fane: it could Feb 22 22:57:06 Any clues what libalarm does when provided with a monthly recurring event that happens on a 31st or so? what happens next month? will it execute on a 30th or not at all or what? Feb 22 22:57:10 do you happen to know the command? Feb 22 22:57:45 jebba900, how much of the repo have you built? Feb 22 22:57:54 is everything there now? Feb 22 22:57:55 bennypr0fane: ps ax | grep "${downlaod process name}" | cut -d " " -f 1 | xargs | kill -9 ? Feb 22 22:58:06 bennypr0fane: -f1, that is Feb 22 22:58:13 did anybody manage to download the ovi maps without pc suite? Feb 22 22:58:22 sivang yowsa, that's a long one Feb 22 22:58:54 bennypr0fane: -f2, actually (there's a space at the start) Feb 22 22:58:55 Shapeshifter, i dunno Feb 22 22:59:00 test it? Feb 22 22:59:03 b-man17, Feb 22 22:59:04 hi Feb 22 22:59:15 bennypr0fane: can you find out what sort of process is used for the download? is it the app manager? Feb 22 22:59:37 hey lcuk :) Feb 22 22:59:37 okay Feb 22 22:59:43 got the Tomb Raider Demo Running Feb 22 22:59:46 bennypr0fane: you might need to 'sudo gainroot' before though Feb 22 23:00:20 bennypr0fane: if it is the browser then you want to grep for "microb" Feb 22 23:00:25 lcuk which repo? I rebuilt all of debian etch that had all the dependencies. Feb 22 23:00:41 anyway, back to waze porting. Feb 22 23:00:47 has about 2 FPS Feb 22 23:01:00 nice Feb 22 23:01:43 gonna optimize the dosbox settings a little bit Feb 22 23:01:50 biggest problem is the keyboard layout Feb 22 23:01:58 jebba900, how long did it take you to do extras? how much space does it occupy? Feb 22 23:02:25 bennypr0fane: let me know how you manage Feb 22 23:02:28 (the bits that worked) Feb 22 23:02:51 sivang hmm, not sure. what i wanted to do is install easy debian. first i downloaded the image file on my desktop and copied it to the n900, but wrong location. then i started debian image installer, which was supposed to recognize the image file, but didn't, because it wasn't under MyDocs. So it did like the file wasn't there and just started downloading it, I don't know by which process exactly though Feb 22 23:03:26 bennypr0fane: probably what ever easy deiban uses for the download, could it be wget? Feb 22 23:03:29 * sivang checks Feb 22 23:03:37 yes, i guess wget Feb 22 23:03:45 lcuk i didnt rebuild extras. IIRC extras takes about 3.2G Feb 22 23:03:51 there was a wget logfile Feb 22 23:04:09 AHHH I TOHUGHT I SAW SOMEWHERE YOU DID, NM Feb 22 23:04:18 the etch repo is like 9G (again iirc) Feb 22 23:04:21 INFACT I GOT A PING FROM GOOGLE SAYING ONE OF MY PACKAGES APPEARED ON YOUR REPO :P Feb 22 23:04:24 arghhh Feb 22 23:04:26 -caps Feb 22 23:04:37 lcuk i just mirror extras* Feb 22 23:05:02 so , easy debian is a maemo specific tool to have debian in the tablets? Feb 22 23:05:19 LCUK ANGRY! LCUK SMASH! LCUK GET REVENGE ON WORLD! ;) Feb 22 23:05:30 lol Feb 22 23:05:47 lcuk got laptop keyboard on knee and looks at screen when typing Feb 22 23:05:56 sivang yes it is Feb 22 23:05:57 shame it was wrong bit Feb 22 23:06:12 bennypr0fane: I think I recall that was a general tool, not tied to Maemo Feb 22 23:06:23 javispedro, can i use that quote tho Feb 22 23:06:26 http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian Feb 22 23:06:28 bennypr0fane: to install non debbed stuff onto debian boxes, hmm, too many communities :) Feb 22 23:06:30 i actually heard it in cartoon voice Feb 22 23:06:40 lcuk: I loved that part :) Feb 22 23:07:42 bennypr0fane: let me check that for you, but if it is really wget, then just grep "wget" in the respective place will do the job Feb 22 23:07:43 s/part/entire episode Feb 22 23:07:49 * sivang fires scratchbox Feb 22 23:08:10 * lcuk gets sivang some ointment Feb 22 23:08:17 hehe Feb 22 23:08:25 awesome xckd! http://xkcd.com/702 Feb 22 23:08:37 crap, I erased scratchbox as it ate my disk space. Feb 22 23:08:42 todays is uber classeh Feb 22 23:08:50 * sivang fetches the source packages of easy-deb-whatever Feb 22 23:08:57 sivang i guess switching off the power killed this download for good, i just wanted to know whether there was another way of keeping my tablet's actions in check.... Feb 22 23:09:14 bennypr0fane, Feb 22 23:09:16 bennypr0fane: easy debia would not obey to any desktop policy anyways Feb 22 23:09:19 are you using 3g data Feb 22 23:09:29 lcuk me? Feb 22 23:09:34 yes Feb 22 23:09:37 wifi Feb 22 23:10:07 * lcuk never checked Feb 22 23:10:08 * sivang is going to setup a new scratchbox/QT/MeeGo/Maemo devel machien with 320GB space. Feb 22 23:10:15 do the download counters work for all interfaces Feb 22 23:10:27 lcuk: works only for 3G Feb 22 23:10:35 lcuk: for me , that is. Feb 22 23:10:59 lcuk: I only care when I'm draining my 3G subsc. so that's cool Feb 22 23:11:09 with 48mb of ram and max cpu cycles, tomb raider still has just 2 FPS Feb 22 23:11:22 hm. battery starts to fail already after 3 weeks. it lasted 1 day when it was new. now only 1-2 hours Feb 22 23:11:27 what'll happen if I set a password for user? Feb 22 23:11:38 Vanadis, how fast does it play on iphone? Feb 22 23:11:40 aep: N900 ? Feb 22 23:11:42 yeah Feb 22 23:11:49 aep: 3-3.5 hours here. Feb 22 23:11:55 aep: almost full day when was new, yes. Feb 22 23:12:02 Vanadis: Tomb Raider is a 3D GAME? Feb 22 23:12:06 aep, most likely not the battery, but the apps Feb 22 23:12:08 right, thanks for confirming Feb 22 23:12:25 lcuk, dunno Feb 22 23:12:27 aep: and in full load (e.g. using it as a desktop through a 1.5 hours train trip) I end up with no battery when I drop off the train. Feb 22 23:12:29 lcuk: nope. i have less on it then i had when it was new Feb 22 23:12:33 javispedro, yes...and? Feb 22 23:12:42 aep: check facebook widget, weather etc Feb 22 23:12:46 Vanadis: you're crazy. this is at most 286/386 performance. Feb 22 23:13:00 all i have is contaxts widgets Feb 22 23:13:12 aep, pastebin ps list Feb 22 23:13:18 yo Feb 22 23:13:18 or powertop Feb 22 23:13:19 But bounce works! :) Feb 22 23:13:19 or something Feb 22 23:13:25 powertop, right Feb 22 23:13:27 aep: they eat cycles for checking presearnce and msgs Feb 22 23:13:42 sivang: yes but they did from day one Feb 22 23:13:46 aep: hmm Feb 22 23:13:49 * lcuk should get a little bit of coding done today Feb 22 23:14:01 javispedro, yes...and? Feb 22 23:14:03 lcuk: I also thought that, but seems it is not going to happen ;) Feb 22 23:14:03 battery started to fail this week, and i didnt change anything in that time Feb 22 23:14:21 aep: so it might have sustained some physical damage or electrical shock? Feb 22 23:14:24 sivang, whats not gonna happen? Feb 22 23:14:30 lcuk: coding :-) Feb 22 23:14:38 Vanadis: nothing, nothing at all. Feb 22 23:14:40 :) Feb 22 23:14:45 lcuk: morning started with administrative of the company in the making. Feb 22 23:14:47 sivang: i had it in my flat all the time.. didnt move. the only thing i ever done with it was calling Feb 22 23:14:59 aep: GSM or else? Feb 22 23:15:11 lcuk: after which I fought with ISP and adsl providers Feb 22 23:15:18 lcuk: then talking to the lawyer for 2 hours Feb 22 23:15:21 sivang: no clue. it says 2.5G there Feb 22 23:15:22 sivang, i know Feb 22 23:15:31 lcuk: :) Feb 22 23:15:35 i got an email a couple of hours ao that delayed me Feb 22 23:15:49 sivang "easy debian would not obey to any desktop policy anyways" I'm not sure what this means. Why desktop policy? Shouldn't it be possible to be in control without any specific kind of policy that says so? Sorry for my ignorance, i'm just a regular user... Feb 22 23:15:53 aah. i know what i changed. from WEP to WPA Feb 22 23:16:12 aep :) Feb 22 23:16:21 bennypr0fane: you have a good claim, but I don't know enough the low levels to answer Feb 22 23:16:31 anybody else? Feb 22 23:16:58 is there a low level network monitor to alert before network traffic is xfered ? Feb 22 23:17:04 that is app and ui agnositc? Feb 22 23:17:14 cu Feb 22 23:17:27 aep: oooo Feb 22 23:17:39 aep: that even kills my HP Mini 311c Feb 22 23:17:41 hmm. the cpu doesnt go lower then C2 anymore Feb 22 23:17:45 aep: and it's a full blown netbook! Feb 22 23:17:53 sivang: seriously? Feb 22 23:18:00 aep: as hell :/ Feb 22 23:18:01 i didnt know wpa is that power hungry Feb 22 23:18:09 C1 | 98.5% | 103.3ms | 550 MHz | 0.0% | Feb 22 23:18:10 C2 | 0.0% | 0.1ms | 500 MHz | 100.0% | Feb 22 23:18:11 huh? Feb 22 23:18:12 aep: so I now use MAC address filtering no encryption Feb 22 23:18:32 aep: dude, that's not it, something is eating one of your cores. Feb 22 23:18:38 yeah Feb 22 23:18:40 but what Feb 22 23:18:44 top ? Feb 22 23:18:50 nite all, sweet dreams Feb 22 23:18:54 nothing there. other then top Feb 22 23:18:55 nite trem Feb 22 23:19:08 cpu is idle, but doesnt go down to C2... Feb 22 23:19:35 * sivang sshs to his tablet to compare Feb 22 23:19:51 * Arif_ made köfte today :D Feb 22 23:20:02 Arif_: that's an achivement, I barely had time to cook. Feb 22 23:20:16 aw Feb 22 23:20:27 aep: where these power states came from? Feb 22 23:20:33 powertop Feb 22 23:20:33 what were you so busy with Feb 22 23:20:44 Arif_: administrativa :/ Feb 22 23:20:56 sounds exciting! Feb 22 23:20:59 Arif_: infrasturcure, paperwork, lawyer Feb 22 23:21:06 Arif_: :) Feb 22 23:21:12 hehe Feb 22 23:21:14 on PC i would say that ACPI is messed up Feb 22 23:21:17 * Arif_ is still a student :P Feb 22 23:21:24 jacekowski: yeah, my thought Feb 22 23:21:28 Arif_: cherish the time :) Feb 22 23:21:35 but i didnt upgrade or anything. just restart once Feb 22 23:21:39 aep pastebin entire powertop Feb 22 23:21:41 maybe i'll just reboot again Feb 22 23:21:42 but afaik there is no acpi on maemo Feb 22 23:21:52 acpi is a PCism Feb 22 23:22:11 I see the channel is talking in a weird language again Feb 22 23:22:13 =) Feb 22 23:22:18 lcuk: http://codepad.org/pxvvc3q4 Feb 22 23:22:29 thx Feb 22 23:22:56 mhm Feb 22 23:23:05 lot of interrupts Feb 22 23:23:19 where? :D Feb 22 23:23:24 ah Feb 22 23:23:24 56 | 2816 | INTC | i2c_omap Feb 22 23:23:40 3k over 30s Feb 22 23:23:49 has anyone hacked the sound output so you can actually hear movies ? :P Feb 22 23:23:50 whatever the heck that is Feb 22 23:24:04 Arif_: is it carging/ Feb 22 23:24:06 Arif_: it works on mine Feb 22 23:24:07 charging Feb 22 23:24:17 no Feb 22 23:24:18 its' lazer Feb 22 23:24:21 and that remind me of thing i've noticed Feb 22 23:24:27 good night everyone, thanks for sharing Feb 22 23:24:36 it's just too quiet to watch movies Feb 22 23:24:41 ={ Feb 22 23:24:43 FM transmission quality is much worse while phone is connected to in car charger Feb 22 23:24:46 Arif_: headphones Feb 22 23:24:47 Arif_: headphones? Feb 22 23:25:02 Arif_: i've noticed that problem Feb 22 23:25:18 Arif_: using that bar in tray make volume little bit lower Feb 22 23:25:22 headphones aren't very shareable!~ Feb 22 23:25:23 Arif_: and then go back Feb 22 23:25:27 hmm, I have roughly the same amount of i2c_omap and mine is connected to USB and charging. Feb 22 23:25:38 aep, i gather you have rebooted often in the past Feb 22 23:25:44 jacekowski, hmm Feb 22 23:25:55 lcuk: yes Feb 22 23:25:57 ie this isnt a one off Feb 22 23:26:10 i am just trying again Feb 22 23:26:12 is it wrong to reboot alot ? Feb 22 23:26:19 Does someone know if it's possible to have the currently selected element of a QComboBox displayed below the button, just like with date and time pickers? Feb 22 23:26:27 I've done it as well, since the ported program still causes lots of hangups Feb 22 23:26:34 aep how many contacts have you got and how often do yo uwork with them Feb 22 23:26:44 lcuk: umm.. like.. alo. Feb 22 23:26:47 *alot Feb 22 23:26:52 dunno. 300 maybe Feb 22 23:26:55 * Arif_ considers placing the N95 speakers in the N900 :D Feb 22 23:27:02 and quite frequently. phone, im, etc Feb 22 23:27:11 same here. Feb 22 23:27:21 i mean.. thats what the thing is for :D Feb 22 23:27:28 ofc Feb 22 23:27:30 You'd reckon there'd be a way to count the number of contacts. Feb 22 23:27:44 do you have gps enabled Feb 22 23:27:47 My contacts apps started to coredump, but I couldn't reproduce. Feb 22 23:27:59 aep: have you upgraded to latest maemo? Feb 22 23:28:09 aep: I am still stuck with the "no enough room on target device" Feb 22 23:28:18 aep: and didn't have time to fix that yet to fetch latest update. Feb 22 23:28:32 humm. i might not. let me double check Feb 22 23:28:43 sivang, theres documentation about clearing space around Feb 22 23:28:52 i havent got it to hand tho Feb 22 23:28:54 i am always a little afraid of firmware updates Feb 22 23:28:57 lcuk: yes, but according to docs, it is not space Feb 22 23:29:02 nokia phones have a tendency to get worse each update Feb 22 23:29:05 lcuk: but is ireported as lack opf space Feb 22 23:29:17 aep: Nokia is dogfooding us, that's all :) Feb 22 23:29:28 :) Feb 22 23:29:29 aep: which I welcome for my QA work Feb 22 23:29:47 and I welcomed when doing stuff for canonical and launchpad and ubuntu Feb 22 23:30:06 eating dog food make you rough, or wuf :) Feb 22 23:30:12 makes Feb 22 23:30:28 microsoft get i ntrouble for not eating their own Feb 22 23:33:43 is there a pc suite for linux btw? Feb 22 23:33:56 I didn't get any CD for windows, so didn't thnk there's a suite Feb 22 23:34:05 but when I use plug it, it asks if to run in suite mode. Feb 22 23:34:17 PC suite is useless anyway Feb 22 23:34:19 why would you want it Feb 22 23:34:27 Arif_: don't know, what does it do? Feb 22 23:34:41 manage your phone data on the PC Feb 22 23:34:42 basically Feb 22 23:34:46 Arif_: besodes for software/firmware updates that happens through ethernet ? Feb 22 23:34:52 in N900, that is Feb 22 23:34:59 PC suite doesn't do software updates Feb 22 23:35:02 (for SYmbianish boxes you do need it right?) Feb 22 23:35:10 ^^^^^ Feb 22 23:35:32 I only have it installed to install programs on my N95 the lazy way Feb 22 23:35:32 :D Feb 22 23:35:47 oh and it's used to tether nokia phones Feb 22 23:35:52 that's pretty useful too Feb 22 23:35:54 Arif_: tether ? Feb 22 23:36:01 use phone as a PC modem Feb 22 23:36:30 Arif_: ah right, ive' tried this with 900 but failed, using bluetooth it said there's no network sharing service on the phone Feb 22 23:36:43 you can try joikuspot Feb 22 23:36:45 Arif_: Does it work in linux ? Feb 22 23:36:49 no Feb 22 23:36:51 err .... "To update your device to this version ... you must use the Nokia software update application on your PC" Feb 22 23:37:03 Arif_: ^^^^^^ Feb 22 23:37:09 Arif_: see aep Feb 22 23:37:10 PC suite is a different app from software updater :P Feb 22 23:37:22 and i bet its windows only Feb 22 23:37:27 it is! Feb 22 23:37:29 in docs of symbianish machine Feb 22 23:37:33 it si the same Feb 22 23:37:36 e.g. part of the suite Feb 22 23:37:37 awesome. so no update for me Feb 22 23:37:41 at least so the docs say Feb 22 23:37:47 nah Feb 22 23:37:50 wow Feb 22 23:37:54 you can install software updater standalone Feb 22 23:37:55 just used xdpyinfo on my N900 Feb 22 23:37:56 no need for pc suite Feb 22 23:38:01 ptl: ? Feb 22 23:38:03 it says my screen is 211x127 mm Feb 22 23:38:06 Arif_: in windows yes? Feb 22 23:38:09 what a lie! Feb 22 23:38:12 yes Feb 22 23:38:16 only windows versions are available Feb 22 23:38:25 screen #0: dimensions: 800x480 pixels (211x127 millimeters) resolution: 96x96 dots per inch Feb 22 23:38:32 ptl: right, so there was a lot of issues with it when creating the ubuntu auto x/screen configurator Feb 22 23:38:56 * Arif_ thinks PC suite is useless anyway...no one's missing out :D Feb 22 23:39:17 so we just need to have a software updater program for N<900 on linux Feb 22 23:39:18 xchat still works for everyone? :) Feb 22 23:39:21 I wonder how hard that would be to make. Feb 22 23:39:30 * sivang uses IRSSI Feb 22 23:39:31 I'll have to get something in place of PC suite when I start synchronizing contacts to my Ubuntu Feb 22 23:39:38 I didn't take the time yet Feb 22 23:39:41 why would you want it Feb 22 23:39:46 n900 updates over the air anyway Feb 22 23:39:59 I dunno. Because everybody uses it, I think Feb 22 23:39:59 Arif_: N<900 Feb 22 23:40:20 oh Feb 22 23:40:20 right Feb 22 23:40:27 so there do i get this update application thing from? Feb 22 23:40:29 recent symbian phones have OTA updates too Feb 22 23:40:35 I don't want to install windows just to update Symbian Feb 22 23:40:35 hum i think i confused the aplcation manager on os2008 asz i was trying to install evince and the backlight off kicked in and the bar stoped moving Feb 22 23:40:49 aep: app manger will offer it Feb 22 23:40:54 get a new phone ! ;P Feb 22 23:40:59 aep: what version of the maemo task are you at? Feb 22 23:41:07 guys, it is a task right? Feb 22 23:41:09 whats a task? Feb 22 23:41:11 (in tasksel terms) Feb 22 23:41:16 or dselect Feb 22 23:41:31 or is it a meta-pkg ? Feb 22 23:41:47 i'm using this crappy gui Feb 22 23:41:58 wait a sec Feb 22 23:42:29 is it a bad idea to force quit the aplication installer if it hangs? Feb 22 23:42:30 aep: what's your version? Feb 22 23:42:38 shamus: not that I'd think of Feb 22 23:42:38 no clue. how do i find out? Feb 22 23:42:43 aep: settings Feb 22 23:42:53 ah Feb 22 23:43:03 aep: about product Feb 22 23:43:12 I am at 2.2009.51-1 Feb 22 23:43:20 since my update filed Feb 22 23:43:20 2.2009.51-1.002 Feb 22 23:43:22 failed Feb 22 23:43:34 do you guys also have this responsiveness issue with PR 1.1.1? I don't Feb 22 23:44:14 * Arif_ 's on 20100208 Feb 22 23:44:18 which resp issue Feb 22 23:44:44 btw, is there a way to get rtcomm-call-ui source code for some bug fixing? Feb 22 23:44:50 turning control is so scrambled Feb 22 23:44:58 makes a living hell to use calls and contacts Feb 22 23:45:13 pupnik: some people are saying on some maemo list that after PR 1.1.1 maemo swaps too much or something like that Feb 22 23:45:13 sivang: true Feb 22 23:45:14 there's no portrait mode anyway Feb 22 23:45:27 :P Feb 22 23:45:56 come to think and talk about it, how do I join *intense* QA efforts with maemo/MeeGo? Feb 22 23:46:35 how can i get statut of a connection with conic ? Feb 22 23:46:38 I feel QA needs some leadership and community stimulation Feb 22 23:46:39 umm what. disk full? Feb 22 23:46:42 by not flooding this chan with fluff Feb 22 23:46:46 aep: right Feb 22 23:46:50 sivang check the bug squad Feb 22 23:46:51 aep: fetching you the link, just a sec Feb 22 23:46:53 oh come on, who invented THAT Feb 22 23:47:00 #maemo-bugs sivang Feb 22 23:47:06 jebba900: bug squad does testing? Feb 22 23:47:07 eep rescuing software update Feb 22 23:47:20 jebba900: they do triage instead, after the bugs are reported Feb 22 23:47:25 jebba900: we need more bugs reported Feb 22 23:47:27 yes Feb 22 23:47:34 and make them more quality Feb 22 23:47:41 so get "user stories" in agile terminology Feb 22 23:47:44 and convert to bugs Feb 22 23:47:59 for that we have to have an online place to file those stories and someone to extract bug data from Feb 22 23:48:01 well, you could just then report more bugs, or even better fix them Feb 22 23:48:05 I'm waiting for my reported bug to get fixed Feb 22 23:48:06 ;p Feb 22 23:48:22 jebba900: but rtcomm-call-gui is closed no? Feb 22 23:48:40 no sure offhand. i think it is closed tho Feb 22 23:48:56 you could petition for it to be opened Feb 22 23:49:20 yay the tablit lives Feb 22 23:49:20 jebba900: for example, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8747 Feb 22 23:49:21 Bug 8747: Ringing tone selector crashes Settings application Feb 22 23:49:33 but more will come :) Feb 22 23:49:56 once I get with stupid administrative Feb 22 23:50:02 get done, that is Feb 22 23:50:15 jebba900: it's been internal for a while now Feb 22 23:52:09 you could strace the app, which may give hints Feb 22 23:53:00 jebba900: tried that and go ENOMEM ;) Feb 22 23:53:07 jebba900: I shold free some space I guess Feb 22 23:53:29 well 200mb on / ... nice. can i fix that, or is it some phsysical limitation? Feb 22 23:53:37 jebba900: for swap, that is Feb 22 23:53:44 zephyr HxM device costs US$ 120 + US$ 40 for shipping and handling. Does anyone have it? Feb 22 23:53:50 (for ecoach) Feb 22 23:54:09 aep: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9089 Feb 22 23:54:10 Bug 9089: Upgrading Maemo itself (nokia official recommended upgrade) failed with "no enough space" on target device. Feb 22 23:54:19 thanks Feb 22 23:54:26 that's a bug now? Feb 22 23:54:30 new xchat out it looks Feb 22 23:54:41 jebba900: yes, I upgraded! Feb 22 23:54:44 ciao Feb 22 23:54:56 gotta turn off fone...... later Feb 22 23:55:27 l8r Feb 22 23:55:33 Arif_: I re-opened Feb 22 23:55:35 Arif_: ;) Feb 22 23:55:45 were you closed? :P Feb 22 23:55:54 Arif_: I was, but see my comments Feb 22 23:56:00 Arif_: they haven't closed it just yet. Feb 22 23:56:22 sivang: well there is no solution posted Feb 22 23:56:25 Arif_: being comitted to QA, I have no choice but to be a party crasher. Feb 22 23:57:04 hmm Feb 22 23:57:22 Arif_: even if it means nagging on usability issues. Feb 22 23:57:33 which to the developer oriented seems nitpicking Feb 22 23:57:37 or "might seem" :) Feb 22 23:57:50 why can't they just download the fw to 2GB? Feb 22 23:57:51 :p Feb 22 23:57:59 interesting question Feb 22 23:58:04 care to comment that on the bug report? Feb 22 23:58:10 no Feb 22 23:58:17 as I dont' know what I'm talking about Feb 22 23:58:22 =) Feb 22 23:58:27 me neither, but - that gets us answers Feb 22 23:58:29 ;) Feb 22 23:59:01 Arif_: my hunch that the firmware upgrade needs to expanded on the /usr to be copied onto the DOC Feb 22 23:59:04 nahh sivang best way to get answers is to ask intelligent questions :) Feb 22 23:59:12 lcuk: true true :) I was kidding Feb 22 23:59:23 Arif_: to the boot area of the doc, that is Feb 22 23:59:28 mh Feb 22 23:59:36 I had no problems with the update with deafult ish settings Feb 22 23:59:46 so stop playing around with the phone too much! Feb 22 23:59:47 :P Feb 22 23:59:59 I can't. I am possesed :) Feb 23 00:00:14 I wil not rest until we've suprassed iPhone. Feb 23 00:00:18 yeah, windows style. dont use it and it wont break Feb 23 00:00:20 :) Feb 23 00:00:28 *surprassed Feb 23 00:00:31 or whatever that's spelled Feb 23 00:00:43 you'll never get 10 000 fart apps Feb 23 00:00:44 stop trying Feb 23 00:00:46 =D Feb 23 00:00:50 and my hunch is that this situation is handled gracefully Feb 23 00:01:01 in iPhone, but my iPhone hasn;t arrived yet so I couldn't check. Feb 23 00:01:10 why would you want an iPhone Feb 23 00:01:26 for tearing down , testing and specification extraction to N900 Feb 23 00:01:30 i guess i'll just wait then. maybe some dev gets annoyed enough to fix it Feb 23 00:01:31 or N9XX / MeeGo Feb 23 00:01:48 I was going for android Feb 23 00:01:54 fix what? Feb 23 00:02:02 but I couldn't stream live tv Feb 23 00:02:03 :P Feb 23 00:02:09 or hm.. i wonder if i could just roll my own fixed kernel. you need to flash the kernel dont you? not as easy as on pc Feb 23 00:02:19 Arif_: I used to work for ChipPC, and the owner and Director of R&D taught me some nice lessons. Feb 23 00:02:19 aep, fixes what Feb 23 00:02:24 your power problem Feb 23 00:02:27 or the download Feb 23 00:02:36 i have lots of problems. the phone is basicly unusable Feb 23 00:02:39 sivang, what lessons? :O Feb 23 00:02:52 power is one problem that could be fixed easily manually, yes Feb 23 00:03:00 "don't buy rotten apples"? Feb 23 00:03:14 don't buy apple Feb 23 00:03:15 x11-utils was not available through application manager, I had to install it via apt-get Feb 23 00:03:24 Arif_: when you want to beat competition, learn as much as you can from them. Feb 23 00:03:43 buy me one too Feb 23 00:03:44 Arif_: http://www.chippc.com/company/index.asp?p=3934805141 , I was on the userland for Thinx OS Feb 23 00:03:46 I'll help you research Feb 23 00:03:48 xD Feb 23 00:03:50 Arif_: hehe ;) Feb 23 00:04:18 Arif_: It is very hard to explain the stores that I *don't* want a line and data plan and whatnot. Feb 23 00:04:30 as I already have enough sims to put in Feb 23 00:04:31 ok - this is silly. anyone heard anymore about uk firmware Feb 23 00:04:36 iPhone is an overpriced toy =) Feb 23 00:04:51 Arif_: and has a microkernel! Feb 23 00:05:03 do you guys use any case for the N900? Feb 23 00:05:04 it can make calls apparantly :P Feb 23 00:05:04 a whatnow Feb 23 00:05:10 unlike the n900 Feb 23 00:05:25 or rubber ones Feb 23 00:05:25 aep: only that :) Feb 23 00:05:27 hard cases Feb 23 00:05:34 aep, they sold you an N800 for €600 Feb 23 00:05:35 :P Feb 23 00:05:53 nah. just a broken n900 i guess. Feb 23 00:06:08 mine makes phonecalls over skype sip and gsm Feb 23 00:06:14 it'd be nice if MSN could do that too Feb 23 00:06:19 yeah sip works. gsm fails Feb 23 00:06:22 ptl: it is actually quite a resistive box, although the scratches are getting high in numbers :) Feb 23 00:06:33 why don't you get a replacement Feb 23 00:06:35 at least sip works. first nokia that can do sip relyable :D Feb 23 00:06:37 sivang: so you don't use... Feb 23 00:06:41 eap what g network does it find Feb 23 00:06:45 and signal strength etc Feb 23 00:06:50 ptl: nahh, scratches add charachter to it Feb 23 00:06:56 Arif_: because i got it from the US, and nokia germany doesnt take it back Feb 23 00:06:57 ptl: I don't Feb 23 00:06:59 lol Feb 23 00:07:11 stop buying outside your country ! Feb 23 00:07:13 ptl: I will get something only I havve to do it from ebay or so Feb 23 00:07:19 Arif_: it finds the network. GPRS works just fine. phone app crashes Feb 23 00:07:24 ptl: since N900 nor N97 MIni are official here. Feb 23 00:07:29 ptl: (Israel) Feb 23 00:07:32 ptl damn so thats why - its using all the power connecting to cells in the us! Feb 23 00:07:34 aep: in my country, there are laws that force Nokia Brasil to take responsibility for any device I bought from Nokia around the world Feb 23 00:07:45 ptl: really? maybe in mine too Feb 23 00:07:48 errr aep sorrt Feb 23 00:08:02 have you tried reflashing it? Feb 23 00:08:05 lcuk: sorry? Feb 23 00:08:12 Arif_: with what? the tools are windows only Feb 23 00:08:18 no they're not Feb 23 00:08:22 not for N900 Feb 23 00:08:23 * sivang lughs when trying to explain the 19 year old female rep why he doesn't need the 32GB iPhone Feb 23 00:08:24 your phone is connecting to us cell towers! Feb 23 00:08:26 really? cool Feb 23 00:08:27 *laughs Feb 23 00:08:27 In 1999 I broke the screen of my Palm Pilot... And as Palm Brasil didn't have technical assistance for it, I just got a new device Feb 23 00:08:33 and linux flasher is easily available Feb 23 00:08:39 * aep googles Feb 23 00:08:41 ~flashing Feb 23 00:08:42 methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Feb 23 00:08:47 N900 has loonix flasher Feb 23 00:08:49 thanks Feb 23 00:09:03 hehe, "methinks" Feb 23 00:09:07 can i flash old firmwares? Feb 23 00:09:12 ... Feb 23 00:09:13 no idea Feb 23 00:09:14 or is it locked for drm or something Feb 23 00:09:16 why would you Feb 23 00:09:16 infobot was on the cast of Little Britian ? Feb 23 00:09:19 aep, you can try Feb 23 00:09:29 just go with 2010 02 08 Feb 23 00:09:32 because i want to try the new firmware, but if it is worse, i want to go back Feb 23 00:09:35 dont expect compatability with your data tho Feb 23 00:09:50 flash with == to now Feb 23 00:09:53 sell the N900 on eBay :P Feb 23 00:09:55 then >= now Feb 23 00:10:07 Arif_: and back to symbian? no thanks :D Feb 23 00:10:12 no Feb 23 00:10:15 buy one in Germanland Feb 23 00:10:25 they have a broken keyboard layout Feb 23 00:10:48 you should be more proud of your country's language! Feb 23 00:11:04 * Arif_ wants a Turkish keyboard layout Feb 23 00:11:04 symbian could be a breeze after some maemo bug reporting :) Feb 23 00:11:10 I happen to like it alot. Feb 23 00:11:21 and I've known it since I was a teenager ;) Feb 23 00:11:27 symbian is cool Feb 23 00:11:32 it's so easy to use Feb 23 00:11:36 it is, seriously Feb 23 00:12:02 can i some sort of backup my data? without the windows tools? Feb 23 00:12:07 yes Feb 23 00:12:11 maybe to flash card Feb 23 00:12:12 Don't get me started on Symbian Feb 23 00:12:13 you can make a backup on the phone Feb 23 00:12:20 hm cool Feb 23 00:12:34 * Arif_ hands Lumpio- a symbian phone Feb 23 00:12:41 I already have one. Feb 23 00:12:44 aep the phone memory is in 2 halves, when you reflash normally, the ~30gb is not touched Feb 23 00:13:01 http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/ <| lol Feb 23 00:13:05 that is only rewritten when you flash the eMMC Feb 23 00:13:05 lcuk: so there's a rollback there? Feb 23 00:13:09 lcuk: ah. you said data is lost Feb 23 00:13:19 /home/user vanishes Feb 23 00:13:36 /home/user/MyDocs is on a different partition Feb 23 00:13:40 ah that i can backup ov3er ssh Feb 23 00:13:44 this is where the data from "backup" is stored Feb 23 00:13:45 * Arif_ still isn't used to loonix :D Feb 23 00:14:00 i was worried about my contacts Feb 23 00:15:55 man, facebook's captchs are getting harder and harder to read. Feb 23 00:16:12 aep: contacts are saved in the backup, IIRC Feb 23 00:16:13 * Arif_ is too lonely to have facebook :'( Feb 23 00:16:36 how long are getting on your battery life mine seems to be dying within hours Feb 23 00:16:50 I get 2 days Feb 23 00:16:53 on average Feb 23 00:16:53 openstandards: as said before, same here. Feb 23 00:16:53 I get 1 day Feb 23 00:16:54 orkut is much better than facebook Feb 23 00:16:58 openstandards: since recently, or since you got it? Feb 23 00:17:00 always within 5 to 25 hours Feb 23 00:17:12 openstandards: I use my cellphone all the time, so it doesn't last a day Feb 23 00:17:17 ptl: true, but the only israeli brazilian girl I Know there doesn't repond to my msgs Feb 23 00:17:21 aep, both but seems worst these days Feb 23 00:17:31 sivang, she's playing hard to get! Feb 23 00:17:37 i last took my devices off charge last night Feb 23 00:17:40 Arif_: nahh, she's just ignoring. Feb 23 00:17:45 aww Feb 23 00:17:51 find her and hit her! Feb 23 00:18:04 sivang: try using testimonials, brazilian people use *that* for private messages :P Feb 23 00:18:18 went into to work at 5:30 with it charged by 11 it was dead Feb 23 00:18:27 wow Feb 23 00:18:29 what are you doing with it Feb 23 00:18:56 might be cos i had some windows open but nothing major Feb 23 00:19:01 my batteries are still nearly full Feb 23 00:19:22 2 windows and connected via 3g Feb 23 00:19:24 wifi/3g is the biggest battery drain Feb 23 00:19:30 :D Feb 23 00:19:45 those darned intarwebs Feb 23 00:19:49 i do keep mine constantly connected to the net :) Feb 23 00:20:01 I really hope they'll add disconnect on no data usage soon Feb 23 00:20:11 opengl (games) are the biggiest battery drain Feb 23 00:20:12 does 3G drain more than the GPS? Feb 23 00:20:13 I have to manually disconnect everytiem I'm done Feb 23 00:20:15 XD Feb 23 00:20:30 well better all at once Feb 23 00:20:31 i hope they sort out the codec bug sometime soon Feb 23 00:20:38 thats highly annoying Feb 23 00:20:47 yeah Feb 23 00:20:51 run quake arena online over 3g Feb 23 00:20:53 they should add TS support Feb 23 00:21:07 cehteh, and share your location wtih GPS? Feb 23 00:21:21 you play a file with a missing codec.... go back and play another with the right codec however it refuses to work Feb 23 00:21:33 hmm Feb 23 00:21:36 I should try that Feb 23 00:21:38 wait Feb 23 00:21:39 I did Feb 23 00:21:49 and I coudln't reproduce it Feb 23 00:21:50 and the box heats like a small microwave when it 3g's/wifi's Feb 23 00:21:55 but maybe that's becasue it was a stream Feb 23 00:22:02 Arif_: use gps to control quake :P Feb 23 00:22:02 Arif_, music or video Feb 23 00:22:09 video Feb 23 00:22:10 openstandards: ogg/oga codecs not indexed in media player? Feb 23 00:22:24 a TS muxed stream with H264 video and MPEG4 audio Feb 23 00:22:29 it didn't play ={ Feb 23 00:22:43 KMPlayer plays it after 5 hours of buffering :P Feb 23 00:23:01 kmplayer is oodd Feb 23 00:23:02 sivang, i think its h264, not sure it was a downloaded file so not sure what it was encoded with Feb 23 00:23:02 odd Feb 23 00:23:03 sivang: not unless you have the ogg package Feb 23 00:23:11 felipec: I Have them Feb 23 00:23:19 felipec: still no media shows inthe player Feb 23 00:23:38 try tracker-processes -r in the terminal Feb 23 00:23:41 and then star the media player? Feb 23 00:23:41 felipec: and mime association is broken as well, as in I have to "open-with" and choose "Media Player (extended codecs) Feb 23 00:23:44 " Feb 23 00:23:59 felipec: instead of "Media Player" Feb 23 00:24:13 felipec: drives me crazy since all my english deperation songs are in ogg/oga Feb 23 00:24:27 stop using weird audio formats! Feb 23 00:24:41 like, open ones?? ;) Feb 23 00:24:49 I am using ogg since its day one Feb 23 00:24:50 yes Feb 23 00:24:54 use MP3! Feb 23 00:25:00 or eAAC+! Feb 23 00:25:03 * ptl also likes ogg and ogm Feb 23 00:25:03 oh dear Feb 23 00:25:14 use encrypted wmv's!!! :P Feb 23 00:25:17 hehe Feb 23 00:25:25 real adio ftw! Feb 23 00:25:30 yuck wmv.....wma :) Feb 23 00:25:32 * sivang gives ptl a glass of water Feb 23 00:26:04 what do you think of the news that google are looking to buy a video codec company Feb 23 00:26:17 real networks? Feb 23 00:26:33 openstandards: they have too much money on their hands? Feb 23 00:26:42 I can take their money Feb 23 00:26:46 =P Feb 23 00:26:59 * sivang thinks he should tell google to "buy" ogg, as in invest money in its advancement and develop,ent Feb 23 00:27:07 sivang, its suppose to be a better file format than h264 Feb 23 00:27:43 Arif_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/381933/ Feb 23 00:28:40 now start the media player Feb 23 00:28:53 http://www.breakitdownblog.com/google-finalizes-on2-video-codec-company-acquisition/ sivang :) Feb 23 00:29:05 openstandards: hmm, interesting Feb 23 00:29:25 openstandards: hahah! Feb 23 00:29:32 this is the first time I see it. Feb 23 00:29:41 okay, so google aren't that evil I guess :) Feb 23 00:30:05 i only saw it on digg the other day when reading about html 5 Feb 23 00:30:12 I was thinking that they would opt to buy some other prop. codec company Feb 23 00:30:21 but I see they've done the right decision Feb 23 00:30:26 yay for net splits :) Feb 23 00:30:31 yeah :/ Feb 23 00:30:42 thank you for flying freenode Feb 23 00:30:46 Well it's one of the codecs flash uses Feb 23 00:31:06 first time i've seen a net split on freenode Feb 23 00:31:26 and theora is based on on2.com's vp3. Maybe they wanted the theora patents ;-) Feb 23 00:31:52 openstandards: I've seen almost hunderds of them by now Feb 23 00:32:02 how much do you know about on2.com codec? Feb 23 00:32:17 openstandards: who me? Feb 23 00:32:21 * ShadowJK shrugs Feb 23 00:32:28 ShadowJK, :) Feb 23 00:32:54 vp3, vp6 and theora decoder implementations in ffmpeg anyway Feb 23 00:34:52 i hope this is the case because we do need html 5 to be as powerful as it can be Feb 23 00:35:24 eh Feb 23 00:35:49 nobody in their right mind would put vp6/vp3 in html5 Feb 23 00:36:37 why not? Feb 23 00:36:51 because there's h264? Feb 23 00:37:26 but h264 won't be accepted by firefox Feb 23 00:38:28 h264 has more patents than mp3 and thats bad enough as it stands for a royality free platform Feb 23 00:40:10 firefox doesn't have to, it's enough to support something like gstreamer or vfw/dshow... then it becomes the system/os's responsibility to supply video codecs, or for the user to download/buy codecs Feb 23 00:41:18 ShadowJK, but that then doesn't get away from the fact that the user might not have that codec or permission to install a new codec ie: schools Feb 23 00:41:39 the same is true for flash and java too :) Feb 23 00:42:07 or heck, firefox itself. Feb 23 00:43:45 * ShadowJK fondly remembers the Sun Sparcstations at school, with openwin and Netscape 4.7 :D Feb 23 00:44:01 ShadowJK, exactly.... i remember going to school and having no permissions to install flash..... Feb 23 00:44:24 in school our computers could boot from floppy :P Feb 23 00:44:25 the benefit of streaming html5 will be lower bandwidth costs Feb 23 00:44:55 aep, in school we booted into dos and started playing games :D Feb 23 00:45:02 I don't think there's that much difference in bandwidth Feb 23 00:45:33 they get cached to the computer rather than the flash cache Feb 23 00:45:41 hm anyone got the powertop binary for me? i reflashed, so mine is gone Feb 23 00:45:44 from what i believe Feb 23 00:46:36 those sites generally prevent caching anyway.. Feb 23 00:51:35 I think the thing that will make h264 "win" html5 is inertia Feb 23 00:52:04 sorenson h263 and vp6 were bad enough that people upgraded to h264 for flash Feb 23 00:52:41 and now they can just put the same h264 in html5 without needing 50,000 new servers if they'43 69757+3 Feb 23 00:52:49 uh Feb 23 00:52:58 if they're youtube :P Feb 23 00:53:34 Theora isn't a rdical improvement on h264, most consider it lower quality Feb 23 00:53:35 so , I wanted to support Stskeeps but the login just killed my last bit of power bfore going to sleep. Feb 23 00:53:40 Tomorrow is another day! Feb 23 00:54:01 Good NIght all! don;t sleep with our tablets next to your head like I do! Feb 23 00:54:21 i always do that Feb 23 00:54:24 (I wake up sweating for new emails arriving throughout the night) Feb 23 00:54:33 ShadowJK: ;-> Feb 23 00:54:46 ShadowJK: feels you're connected isn't it? Feb 23 00:55:04 I dont have email checking on ;) Feb 23 00:55:17 ShadowJK: I have ti all, again in sack of testing. Feb 23 00:55:32 ShadowJK: emails, IMs, facebook, weather Feb 23 00:55:45 sake Feb 23 00:55:50 ^^ hmm getting tired Feb 23 00:55:57 Yeah, weather. it says -28C Feb 23 00:56:10 it makes me not want to leave my warm bed Feb 23 00:56:10 badnwidth meters, ip reporter, processes Feb 23 00:56:17 ShadowJK: you need to get to work? Feb 23 00:56:36 no luckily i have the week off Feb 23 00:56:38 13c here Feb 23 00:56:47 winter is leaving us before it started :-( Feb 23 00:56:54 we're in mid-feb Feb 23 00:57:02 and already had 2 very hot weeks Feb 23 00:57:34 when it gets light outside I'll have to go fetch more firewood, start a fire, and go back mto sleep Feb 23 00:57:51 don't complain about warmth Feb 23 00:58:23 it's too hot here Feb 23 00:59:08 feels to me that global warming is real :/ Feb 23 00:59:25 and the intervals between exterem weather events are shortening in an alarming rate. Feb 23 00:59:43 to the point where they'd be the avg. of the graphc not the corner case points. Feb 23 01:02:35 at anyway Feb 23 01:02:36 good night. Feb 23 01:02:43 see you all tomorrow CET. Feb 23 01:33:17 frighteningly quiet Feb 23 01:33:59 shall i throw a needle or fart? Feb 23 01:34:24 needle is easier to dodge Feb 23 01:34:30 oh look at the time Feb 23 01:34:34 maybe all have installed the new xchat and now dont need to stare at their screens watching for action :P Feb 23 01:35:17 do you know the openvpn maintainer for maemo? Feb 23 01:35:23 i do not Feb 23 01:35:27 * cehteh goes figuring out Feb 23 01:35:54 this update-resolv-conf script gives me pita .. why not use dnsmasq ... Feb 23 01:39:16 what are you hacking on cehteh Feb 23 01:41:55 currently -- getting openvpn properly working for me Feb 23 01:42:09 (involves some network reorganization here) Feb 23 01:50:12 headache too strong - ttyl Feb 23 02:10:52 lol... Feb 23 02:11:04 the whole of freenode is blocked by proxy Feb 23 02:11:12 ? Feb 23 02:11:13 however https to the IP and it works fine xD Feb 23 02:11:22 heh Feb 23 02:11:37 'the web is more important than everything else' Feb 23 02:12:59 * timeless_mbp tries to trim a 58k line file down to 40k Feb 23 02:34:49 http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/22/moblic-e7-stuffs-wimax-qwerty-a-gamepad-and-all-our-dreams-an/ <- Pandora, beware :) Feb 23 02:35:34 only if the processor is decent Feb 23 02:49:11 anyone making two mini dPad like these to snap onto n900 keyboard and through it's usb port or bluetooth and the n900 is 1000000x better than this thing Feb 23 02:50:15 uhsf: why, when you can use existing bluetooth controllers :) Feb 23 02:52:30 because the only decent one i found yet is the sony sixaxis and it's ~4times the size of my n900 Feb 23 02:53:16 not very practical to borrow with me Feb 23 02:54:00 i don't use my n900 much at home i use it when i'm out **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 23 02:59:58 2010