**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 05 02:59:58 2010 Mar 05 03:00:14 General: They release thousands of iPhone apps, usually repackaged Gutenberg content, silly sounds etc Mar 05 03:00:55 General: They have got enough people to produce a LOT of apps. The quality of these "developers" is of course very low, but the goal here is not to write good apps, but to carpet-bomb App Store Mar 05 03:01:41 General: Something similar had been done to MIDP apps before, but the scale is incomparable Mar 05 03:04:37 Love it. Mar 05 03:06:22 * RST38h finally got to try BH-905. Nice, really nice. Mar 05 03:06:50 No way to see if they hang up though, without cell service working Mar 05 03:09:55 I can't take audio products from non-audio companies seriously. Mar 05 03:10:35 Not an audiophile, so they are ok with me =) Mar 05 03:10:53 (ok, way way better than anything I have owned so far) Mar 05 03:11:01 You know, if there's one thing to be said for Nokia they do provide nice press photos. Mar 05 03:12:03 Oh, they also provide nice products. EVERY NOW AND THEN. =) Mar 05 03:12:18 With zero backing to go with them, unfortunately. Mar 05 03:12:43 That seems to be popular with other companies too Mar 05 03:12:54 Casio, Samsung, Asus, etc Mar 05 03:13:18 True enough Mar 05 03:13:29 But I figure we should hold Nokia to higher standards. ;) Mar 05 03:14:30 Dunno, my opinion is that Nokia should view providing software updates / fixes to its existing products as a service that increases value of its products, very much like Comes With Music or Maps Mar 05 03:15:17 And save money by maintaining a single code trunk for multiple devices rather than a separate trunk for each device like they seem to do Mar 05 03:17:05 Indeed Mar 05 03:19:07 Mar 05 03:24:52 hi are there any ocr for n900? I'm intrerested especially in korean Mar 05 04:09:19 got my N900 today! Mar 05 04:09:38 cool :) Mar 05 04:09:57 how come the USB/recharge port is on the top? Mar 05 04:10:09 That's the right side. :) Mar 05 04:10:17 Er, left. Mar 05 04:10:21 * GeneralAntilles is thinking N800. Mar 05 04:10:38 GeneralAntilles, it's not fun to talk to the phone when it's charging Mar 05 04:10:57 It's ever fun to talk on the phone at all? Mar 05 04:11:06 Any phone? Mar 05 04:11:07 lol, quite Mar 05 04:13:25 where is the game I keep seeing on youtube Mar 05 04:13:58 that ball game Mar 05 04:16:15 upgrade to latest os, ovi store Mar 05 04:16:46 LiraNuna: football, pretty big, you may have heard of a small championship in the US recently Mar 05 04:17:13 hahahaha Mar 05 04:17:45 * ShadowJK hasn't heard of any football championship in the US, ever Mar 05 04:17:54 though there's one to be held in south africa soon isn't there? :) Mar 05 04:18:13 ShadowJK: Depends on your definition of "football". Mar 05 04:18:30 I don't think he means handegg Mar 05 04:18:59 LiraNuna: That the current term? Mar 05 04:19:05 LiraNuna: I kinda like it. Mar 05 04:19:17 I've heard it a lot Mar 05 04:24:05 socker? football? Mar 05 04:28:15 DocScrutinizer: handegg Mar 05 04:28:50 never heard of Mar 05 04:29:31 quite sure though in South Africa that's a socker championship Mar 05 04:29:44 ha I was right Mar 05 04:30:10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCNRGrHMY8c Mar 05 04:30:25 ShadowJK: football otoh is very popular in USA Mar 05 04:30:33 DocScrutinizer: http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.planobeta.com/wp-content/uploads/futebol-handegg.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.planobeta.com/tag/futebol/&usg=__F0Qfy2A7UMdKJoE9tu5sKRKZEf8=&h=500&w=700&sz=81&hl=en&start=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=X6-Ixv_5bWdE9M:&tbnh=100&tbnw=140&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhandegg%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26tbs%3Disch:1 Mar 05 04:30:38 woops, bit long Mar 05 04:31:02 kick yourself for spamming :-P Mar 05 04:35:01 regarding the whole "charging port is on wrong end" thing... doesn't the N900 have stereo speakers and mic? meaning it doesn't matter which way up you hold it while speaking... Mar 05 04:36:05 actually 3 speakers Mar 05 04:36:11 or put another way, it can be fixed in software, by making the portrait mode go the other way (or follow accelerometer) Mar 05 04:36:19 there's a third one when you dont wnt everyone around you to hear the call too Mar 05 04:36:57 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Football vs http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fussball Mar 05 04:39:37 DocScrutinizer: there's also foosball vs fussball Mar 05 04:39:43 DocScrutinizer: futsal Mar 05 04:41:19 futsal is pretty amazingly good actually Mar 05 04:41:21 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socker vs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football Mar 05 04:42:00 but actually http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football that's all or nothing Mar 05 04:42:37 That popularity distribution graphics is super confusing Mar 05 04:42:43 just no handegg Mar 05 04:43:45 LiraNuna: yeah, charger and usb are just on the wong sides Mar 05 04:43:54 Except that Fussball und futsal oder football are all based off a very simple concept: ball hitting foot. Mar 05 04:44:14 Running around with a non-spherical object in your hand is not, by definition, foot-ball Mar 05 04:44:59 it isnt egg-ball either :) Mar 05 04:45:12 handegg Mar 05 04:46:10 it's either american football, or rughby Mar 05 04:47:15 s/gh/g/ Mar 05 04:47:15 DocScrutinizer meant: it's either american football, or rugby Mar 05 04:49:46 well, if you are being technical.. it isn't an egg Mar 05 04:49:52 the only solution to that is to simply abolish the word football Mar 05 04:49:59 there's soccer and american football Mar 05 04:50:02 nothing else Mar 05 04:50:16 there is australian rules football too Mar 05 04:50:34 falls into soccer Mar 05 04:50:42 (unless they use hands) Mar 05 04:50:50 (they...don't, I hope, right?) Mar 05 04:50:52 its not soccer Mar 05 04:51:20 oval-shaped fields? Mar 05 04:51:24 what the hell australia Mar 05 04:51:26 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby#Unterschiede_der_einzelnen_Rugby-_und_Footballspielarten Mar 05 04:51:53 amazingly the german wiki is much better on that topic- wonder why ;-) Mar 05 04:51:57 ok, so that's australian football from now on Mar 05 04:52:00 gotta get some good use of the cricket things Mar 05 04:52:05 still, no single generic football Mar 05 04:52:25 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_%28Sportart%29 someone make a disambiguation page Mar 05 04:53:00 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gridiron_football Mar 05 04:53:03 is there an adblock for the mobile browser in the N900? Mar 05 04:53:05 ...I didn't know this name Mar 05 04:53:39 LiraNuna: follow the instructions here http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/12/ Mar 05 04:54:18 ah, ty Mar 05 04:54:48 (the repositories adblock is broken) (kinda) Mar 05 04:59:27 best stock app/widget for N900? StockThis? Mar 05 05:00:11 hmm, how come that instead of looking like this Mar 05 05:00:11 http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/12/Screenshot-20091024-152452.png Mar 05 05:00:14 it looks like GTK? Mar 05 05:00:32 he installed a firefox theme on his microb earlier Mar 05 05:00:42 (hence the space shuttle) Mar 05 05:00:51 so it's supposed to look like stock GTK? Mar 05 05:00:54 yeah Mar 05 05:01:02 LiraNuna: is that microB or firefox mobile? Mar 05 05:01:25 microb Mar 05 05:01:28 hmm Mar 05 05:01:43 I don't think addons from mozilla.org will work properly with microB Mar 05 05:02:49 yeah, that's why that's a special version Mar 05 05:03:24 https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/browser/mozilla/trunk/extensions/adblockplus-webaddon/patch_against_original_adblock1.1.diff Mar 05 05:03:30 not a lot changed tho :o Mar 05 05:05:27 err, that version still won't work Mar 05 05:05:44 microB doesn't support the toolbar buttons or the blockable items panel Mar 05 05:05:57 never mind the config dialogs Mar 05 05:05:59 http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/12/ Mar 05 05:06:51 hmm Mar 05 05:06:54 I suppose that works Mar 05 05:07:07 sure, a little clunky at first, but it's literally set it and forget it Mar 05 05:07:18 so the N900 doesn't recognize horizontal/vertical position Mar 05 05:07:32 and opposed to css blocking or other stuff, that actually doesn't load ads at all, saving network traffic Mar 05 05:07:35 LiraNuna: how so? Mar 05 05:07:46 auto rotation? works on the phone app :P Mar 05 05:07:53 hmm, not here Mar 05 05:07:57 that said, I've still got the older port of ABP installed Mar 05 05:08:01 only when I open the keyboard Mar 05 05:08:03 devel & testing down? .. i think they hold the record of being more down that up Mar 05 05:08:17 LiraNuna: you have to enable it in its settings Mar 05 05:08:21 set the phone app to Mar 05 05:08:22 yeah that Mar 05 05:08:30 ah, I See Mar 05 05:08:47 ah .. not down .. no space left on device .. brillan ... grr Mar 05 05:08:56 lol Mar 05 05:09:12 under where Mar 05 05:09:26 phone app > tap title bar > settings Mar 05 05:09:42 er I meant turning control Mar 05 05:09:50 (wasn't looking at mine right now) Mar 05 05:11:04 hmpf .. ext3 is module not in kernel .. anyone had success moving /var on another partition? Mar 05 05:11:45 * cehteh thinks he he needs a 2nd device for playing, bricking and unbricking constantly :P Mar 05 05:12:35 err, n900 right? Mar 05 05:12:48 what else Mar 05 05:12:58 well for all I know, N800... Mar 05 05:13:00 dude /home is ext3 Mar 05 05:13:02 lol Mar 05 05:13:08 anyway, Mar 05 05:13:09 yeah that Mar 05 05:13:13 it has to have ext3 Mar 05 05:13:41 ShadowJK: yes but ext3 is a module not in the kernel .. i dont know how the boot process exactly works and i dont want to figure out in the hard way Mar 05 05:13:58 moving /var/ to the home partition Mar 05 05:14:01 if it's not in lsmod then it's probably compiled in Mar 05 05:14:09 it is in lsmod Mar 05 05:14:22 so moving over may not boot Mar 05 05:14:31 /lib/modules/current is where it lives Mar 05 05:14:55 yes but does it mount /var before needing it? Mar 05 05:15:10 actually it doesnt mount /var at all because its on root Mar 05 05:15:19 cehteh: mount /home early. then 'touch /home/itworked' Mar 05 05:15:41 DocScrutinizer: huh? Mar 05 05:15:49 you mean as test? Mar 05 05:15:59 yeah .. maybe a plan Mar 05 05:16:02 to check if you could mount other ext3 Mar 05 05:16:10 yes Mar 05 05:16:18 didnt you want to try that? Mar 05 05:16:43 * cehteh feels sometimes like a test bunny who paied nokia for being so Mar 05 05:17:11 eh Mar 05 05:17:22 DocScrutinizer: even if it works, it will break with pr1.2 again Mar 05 05:17:24 Stay in the box if you don't want to be testbunny Mar 05 05:19:04 .. or free my device completely .. maybe after 1.2.1 or so .. it doesnt look like nokia will put very much efforts in new features anyways Mar 05 05:19:05 cehteh: yeah I planned to do that. Alas I managed to get done exactly _nothing_ since a week now - except coughing and sleep at very strange times Mar 05 05:19:41 heh ok .. Mar 05 05:20:55 well new 'pr' releases are all deb's .. i guess one can dismantle them and install just whats needed without reflashing the kernel or overriding certain boot scripts for example Mar 05 05:21:01 I think the priority should be on fixing bugs, obviously ;) Mar 05 05:21:27 ShadowJK: this fuba partitions strives to be a bug Mar 05 05:22:15 The real wtf is that it suddenly became such a big hurdle to do "./configure --prefix=/opt/maemo" instead of ./configure ;D Mar 05 05:22:37 eh Mar 05 05:22:53 the real hurdle is not to have /usr on that home partition Mar 05 05:23:47 have a minimal bootable system in / .. make / readonly .. mount (bind-mount) in the boot procees everything really needed Mar 05 05:24:41 I don't want everything to run off of the emmc.. It's a lagfest already with just swap, gpodder and gpodder data on same emmc :) Mar 05 05:24:46 hey even /bin and other root things could be over-mounted .. then you can have a rock solid readonly root wich always works, no matter what the user installs Mar 05 05:25:20 anything you run ends in page cache eventually it wont slow it that much down Mar 05 05:25:33 You've obviously never actually used it Mar 05 05:25:35 and basically with optifying we already do this .. so nothing to loose Mar 05 05:25:48 You just need to download a podcast in gpodder and the taskswitcher becomes a 1fps lagfest Mar 05 05:26:02 yeah i know Mar 05 05:26:20 i dont use gepodder but other workloads generate that here Mar 05 05:26:46 but there is really nothing you can do except having a faster emmc and maybe better filesystem Mar 05 05:26:58 (my tests with ext4 almost gave the double speed) Mar 05 05:27:06 I've been doing some filesystem benchmarks, and the only filesystem with acceptable latency behaviour so far seems to be ubifs and nilfs2. ubifs doesn't work on block devices, and nilfs2 while otherwise awesome, does an enormous amount of writing to the flash... Mar 05 05:27:18 hm Mar 05 05:27:35 maybe a stupid question to ask here, but Mar 05 05:27:55 nilfs2 is bad for flash devices .. but can have excellent write performance Mar 05 05:27:59 And by enormous I mean it could probably eat the battery all by itself in a day (compare with the weeklong full idle battery) Mar 05 05:28:16 why use a huge 27GB MyDocs partition and only a 2GB partition to files? Mar 05 05:28:26 i would prefer swapping them or smth Mar 05 05:28:29 Apparently LogFS is coming to mainline soon, going to test that too then. I've heard good things about it, and the author is very aware of these kinds of issues Mar 05 05:28:35 the 2gb is enough for me Mar 05 05:28:53 FIQ, basically the MyDocs is vfat so that it works with all operating systems when you plug in the USB cable Mar 05 05:29:00 FIQ: it's a "most common denominator" thing Mar 05 05:29:09 mine ist ext3 meanwhile :P Mar 05 05:29:34 k Mar 05 05:29:40 FIQ: this device was geared towards a multimedia angle, so having anything less than 20GB available for music and video was pointless really Mar 05 05:29:46 The 2 gigabytes was chosen so that the tracker's index of 27GB + 16GB of "average" length mp3 songs could fit on it Mar 05 05:29:57 well ext3 doesnt give performance over vfat (at least not significant) Mar 05 05:30:09 hah Mar 05 05:30:20 ShadowJK: heh Mar 05 05:30:25 cehteh: does remove the 4GB limit though Mar 05 05:30:26 i prefer this for computer experience though Mar 05 05:30:38 How'd'you think the mob would have reacted had the initial conclusion been "well, yeah, it has 32GB, but really, you can only use 16GB for music" Mar 05 05:30:59 crashanddie: i use it because a lot of other advantages .. permissions, symlinks, no 4gb limit and so on Mar 05 05:31:09 cehteh: sure Mar 05 05:31:12 hm Mar 05 05:31:13 but ext4 really gave a speed boost too Mar 05 05:31:30 cehteh: then again, how many people will use permissions on a single-user device? Mar 05 05:31:37 o/ Mar 05 05:31:50 well mostly to make a chroot of the sdk on the mmc :) Mar 05 05:32:04 also, fat enabled them to seamlessly limit the damage of people downloading and executing crap without understanding it Mar 05 05:32:17 haha Mar 05 05:32:53 you've a point there. :p Mar 05 05:32:53 4MB free RAM Mar 05 05:33:00 well .. my argument is that its quite a lot pain when you try to divert from nokias path .. much more pain than you have on a debian system Mar 05 05:33:21 and that doesnt really feel right Mar 05 05:33:22 in symbian, that would be "omg, it's going to reboot soon" Mar 05 05:34:14 of course i am aware that i am responsible by myself for any changes i do .. but nokias thinking/setup throws one a lot unnnecessary bricks in the way Mar 05 05:35:18 hm, why does the taskmgr freezes sometimes? Mar 05 05:35:18 and you'll have to press menu, empty area and again try to switch to an application Mar 05 05:36:35 ext4 vs ext3 on flash from a performance point of view is more of a "catastrophic" to "horrible" "upgrade" ;-) Mar 05 05:36:39 hi guys wondering if anyone here has converted his mmc card to ext3 from vfat and if i should just unmount and mkfs.ext3 or are there some tips? Mar 05 05:38:10 go ahead. Won't automount anymore - otherwise works Mar 05 05:39:21 DocScrutinizer: really so i have to manually mount it every reboot? Mar 05 05:39:31 DocScrutinizer: cant just add to fstab Mar 05 05:39:46 fstab is a weird thing on N900 Mar 05 05:40:01 it's generated on each boot Mar 05 05:40:24 DocScrutinizer: i see so no good way of doing it i guess mounting each time is not that bad Mar 05 05:45:51 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46496 lol Mar 05 05:46:06 "so am I. there's a guy cracked X-plore so that it became a free sw" Mar 05 05:47:18 what the hell is xplore? Mar 05 05:47:42 file manager for symbian devices Mar 05 05:48:15 * DocScrutinizer facepalms Mar 05 05:48:18 call me bitter, but I hate end-users that just come to t.m.o just thinking the N900 is the next flagship Nseries Mar 05 05:49:01 fwrnando: bitter Mar 05 05:49:14 :P Mar 05 05:50:05 hi all! Mar 05 05:50:30 Vratha: Hi alone! Mar 05 05:50:32 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46530 and the same dude just made the Nth thread about meego on the N900 Mar 05 05:50:33 haha Mar 05 05:50:56 fwrnando: please do report threads with the threads they should be merged in Mar 05 05:51:17 fwrnando: the mods have a lot of work these days, it's hard to stay on top of everything Mar 05 05:52:37 so i think i might have screwed up my n900's maemo install with some things i was doing. is there a guide to reinstalling the OS somewhere? i'm having trouble finding it. Mar 05 05:52:46 OHAI Mar 05 05:56:10 is there a trick to get the fm transmitter working? I go to media player and set it to a frequency then tune my radio to it but nothing just static. Mar 05 05:57:25 ponyofdeath: it worked out-of-the-box for me Mar 05 05:57:52 Vratha: really? Mar 05 05:57:59 thresh: don't OHAI in here Mar 05 05:58:13 sar3th: yeah nothing not even an faint signal Mar 05 05:58:15 well, i think i finally found the info Mar 05 05:58:36 Vratha: finally? Mar 05 05:58:53 ~flash Mar 05 05:58:54 rumour has it, flash is For an EEPROM (flash) programmer that can handle any chip except +12V ones, go to http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jfrohwei/circuit/, or a proprietary format for online animations by Macromedia. However "GPL Flash" has now been released @ http://www.swift-tools.com/Flash/, or wget http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer/special/beta/installers/linux/plugin/install_flash_player_6_linux.tar.gz, or ap Mar 05 05:59:03 ~flashing Mar 05 05:59:04 well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 05 05:59:07 lol Mar 05 05:59:10 ~thanks Mar 05 05:59:10 crashanddie: bitte Mar 05 05:59:24 when i use health check i see my fm trans strength is set to 112 Mar 05 05:59:27 ~no, flash is the same as ~flashing Mar 05 05:59:54 ~no flash is the same as flashing Mar 05 05:59:55 does it keep separate factoids per channel? Mar 05 05:59:55 okay, crashanddie Mar 05 05:59:57 damn Mar 05 05:59:58 ugh Mar 05 06:00:01 ~no flash is the same as ~flashing Mar 05 06:00:02 crashanddie: okay Mar 05 06:00:05 ~flash Mar 05 06:00:06 flash is, like, the same as ~flashing Mar 05 06:00:08 rather than follow that bullshit, i'll just follow nokia's info Mar 05 06:00:24 Vratha: bullshit? Mar 05 06:00:30 Vratha: wiki.maemo.org is bullshit? Mar 05 06:00:43 you seem to ask lots of one word questions Mar 05 06:01:03 meh Mar 05 06:01:10 Vratha: you take the fun out of life, don't you? Mar 05 06:01:35 actually, my life is pretty kick ass Mar 05 06:01:40 crashanddie, oh just let me discover on his own that NSU doesn't work Mar 05 06:01:53 Vratha: you come in here asking for help, after not searching at all, and then moan that the info we give is bullshit? Mar 05 06:02:12 actually, i found the info i needed before you said anything Mar 05 06:02:17 so it was utterly useless at that point Mar 05 06:02:28 and you have no idea whether i searched or not Mar 05 06:02:33 you are projecting Mar 05 06:02:45 I'm so tempted... Mar 05 06:04:46 oh comcast... Mar 05 06:05:07 the microB really likes to shutdown itself randomly Mar 05 06:05:12 -the Mar 05 06:05:38 That's what happens when something crashes ;) Mar 05 06:06:10 morning Mar 05 06:06:14 yes, and microB wins the crash contest for me Mar 05 06:06:25 hi Mar 05 06:06:28 crashanddie, aw, you shoulda done it. Mar 05 06:07:09 ShadowJK: nope, infobot has one global factoid bse Mar 05 06:07:11 base Mar 05 06:07:12 FIQ, for me it sometimes just kinda half breaks Mar 05 06:07:36 like, the frontend seems to work, I can scroll around in existing pages, but can't click links or zoom Mar 05 06:07:53 or maybe the scrolling was also not working in those cases, I forget... Mar 05 06:07:54 :/ Mar 05 06:08:16 usually happens when I read tmo and open up a new window for each thread I want to read Mar 05 06:08:30 (since that's faster that tap-wait-read-back-wait-read.. Mar 05 06:09:34 Vratha: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Mar 05 06:09:35 is there a way to test that my fm transmitter is functioning? Mar 05 06:10:14 ponyofdeath, make sure something's playing, the box is checked and you've picked the correct radio station Mar 05 06:10:22 Tune to that station on a radio with a decent antenna. Mar 05 06:10:33 DocScrutinizer: 1995 called; they want that document back Mar 05 06:10:39 i don't really know what is so problematic with microb, but it's something Mar 05 06:10:39 hm, want opera desktop. :< Mar 05 06:10:39 they should compile it for arm. :D Mar 05 06:10:51 GeneralAntilles: all the above checked changed multiple stations too Mar 05 06:10:53 Vratha, you sure have an interesting way of getting people to help you. Mar 05 06:10:58 crashanddie: GeneralAntilles: +1 Mar 05 06:11:25 GeneralAntilles: i can use the fm radio player to tune in on fm stations but not the fm transmitter Mar 05 06:11:40 ponyofdeath, unrelated parts. Mar 05 06:11:44 probably a /kick would help Mar 05 06:11:47 yes, stating my question and stating i'm having trouble finding it is really "crazy insane". obviously i had been searching "teh googlez" for it Mar 05 06:11:52 FM RX is part of the Bluetooth chipset, FM TX is a separate unit. Mar 05 06:11:58 anyway, it's pointless now, as i found what i needed Mar 05 06:12:06 ponyofdeath, it's very Windows-esque troubleshooting, but have you restarted? Mar 05 06:12:28 GeneralAntilles: yes just restarted i even downloaded the fm tx boost script Mar 05 06:12:35 ponyofdeath, hum hum. Mar 05 06:12:55 morning GeneralAntilles, DocScrutinizer & tekojo Mar 05 06:12:56 Somebody smarter than me may be able to come up with some sys entries you can poke Mar 05 06:13:14 moinmoin Stskeeps Mar 05 06:13:16 :-) Mar 05 06:13:25 Morning Stskeeps, up early! Mar 05 06:13:27 ponyofdeath, has it ever worked? Mar 05 06:13:37 ponyofdeath: does it actually tell you that it's not transmitting? ie an error when you start up the tx? Mar 05 06:13:37 ponyofdeath, and I'm assuming you're in a country where it's not illegal? Mar 05 06:13:43 GeneralAntilles: no just got my phone recently and trying to get that feature working Mar 05 06:13:50 GeneralAntilles: yes usa Mar 05 06:13:57 checked nokia's page Mar 05 06:14:06 not in tenessee? Mar 05 06:14:15 nope california Mar 05 06:14:34 ponyofdeath, I'm not sure how fragile the internals are. Mar 05 06:14:46 I suppose it could be possible that the internal antenna is either disconnected or defective Mar 05 06:14:57 ponyofdeath: does it actually tell you that it's not transmitting? ie an error when you start up the tx? Mar 05 06:14:59 Um, /my/ next troubleshooting step would be a reflash Mar 05 06:15:08 tekojo: yeah, it's nice and bright outside now at 7 Mar 05 06:15:15 However that's a bit last resort and somebody else may be able to come up with something more useful. Mar 05 06:15:17 crashanddie: nope no error i see the tx icon in the systray Mar 05 06:15:31 ponyofdeath: and how are you "listening" to it? Mar 05 06:15:43 ponyofdeath, have you posted about this to talk.maemo.org too? Mar 05 06:15:54 Stskeeps, certainly a benefit of working from home, up early for irc :) Mar 05 06:15:58 ponyofdeath: i have an reciever at home which i use to tune to the fm freq Mar 05 06:16:21 ponyofdeath: volume is not off? Mar 05 06:16:24 ShadowJK: no i have not Mar 05 06:16:39 ponyofdeath: if it's any consolation, I've never managed to get it to work either Mar 05 06:16:43 crashanddie: i start media player i can hear music then switch to fm transmitter then volume goes down Mar 05 06:16:43 ok. I asked because I think someone else posted with very similar sounding problem Mar 05 06:17:07 ShadowJK: not just me then Mar 05 06:17:27 speaking about sound problems Mar 05 06:17:29 ponyofdeath: you're aware you need to set the tx freq in system settings I assume? Mar 05 06:17:46 DocScrutinizer, freq can be set from the Media player. Mar 05 06:17:55 oh, ok Mar 05 06:17:57 DocScrutinizer: it set in media player when u select fm tx as well same settings screen apears Mar 05 06:18:11 when you listen on example yt, and a sound using the profile settings, it seems as the yt volume goes the same as profile one for 1s Mar 05 06:18:29 * DocScrutinizer suggests f,-boost Mar 05 06:18:59 s/1s/as long as the profile sound is going/ Mar 05 06:18:59 FIQ meant: when you listen on example yt, and a sound using the profile settings, it seems as the yt volume goes the same as profile one for as long as the profile sound is going Mar 05 06:19:15 hi replacebot Mar 05 06:19:18 ponyofdeath: the transmitter reduces output power when you plug a cable in because of regulations Mar 05 06:19:46 cehteh: i am not plugining in any cables Mar 05 06:20:16 cehteh: i tune to an freq where i hear just noise Mar 05 06:20:37 cehteh: then i set my n900 to that freq and i dont even hear any resemblance of what im playing Mar 05 06:20:48 ponyofdeath: what receiver setup are you using to listen to the FM-TX, exactly? Mar 05 06:21:04 is there any check i can do that will verify that the fm tx is in working condition Mar 05 06:21:11 the internal antenna is on pcb iirc cant become disconnected Mar 05 06:21:16 lol, microb crashed again Mar 05 06:21:26 DocScrutinizer: and onkyo reciever i can hear other FM stations Mar 05 06:21:34 DocScrutinizer: i also tried in my car Mar 05 06:21:41 but in some countries the transmmitter is completely disabled Mar 05 06:21:46 ponyofdeath: AIUI that receiver has an external antenna Mar 05 06:21:58 DocScrutinizer: yes its external Mar 05 06:22:22 ponyofdeath: the N900 has to be maybe max 2m away from real antenna Mar 05 06:22:27 cehteh: well i should not see the fm tx option then no Mar 05 06:22:39 there is a fmtx faker pachkage.. but maybe thats illegal in your county Mar 05 06:22:43 DocScrutinizer: yeah i have it right next to antena Mar 05 06:22:52 dunno here it is enabled Mar 05 06:23:24 for me the transmitter works well Mar 05 06:23:29 is there a way to check if my fm tx is disabled? Mar 05 06:23:32 for me as wel Mar 05 06:23:55 it has no much range. but sill sufficient Mar 05 06:23:59 cehteh, USA. Mar 05 06:24:12 what freq u use? Mar 05 06:24:30 whatever i like or find free Mar 05 06:26:57 trying to overpower a radio station doesnt work well .. very limited range then Mar 05 06:27:14 note that the transmitter has some nanowatts of power only Mar 05 06:28:22 cehteh: yeah i understand that thats why i find a freq where i just hear white noise Mar 05 06:28:31 strange Mar 05 06:28:39 cehteh: yeah kinda mad Mar 05 06:28:54 even if you dont play music the transmitter sends silence and some beeps Mar 05 06:29:35 I'm still of two minds of writing a remote-controlled voice modulator Mar 05 06:29:46 yeah i hear nothing same noise as before i enabled fm tx Mar 05 06:29:48 ponyofdeath, well, if it comes down to reflash and if it still doesn't work get a replacement. Mar 05 06:29:50 some months ago I could create a RF feedback from TX to FM-receiver. Was a nice testing utility. Alas recent FM-receiver obviously disables FM-TX all times Mar 05 06:29:51 mhm ... volume changing by the zoom buttons doesnt work here suddenly .. any ideas? (mediaplayer in front) Mar 05 06:30:05 GeneralAntilles: how will a reflash fix this Mar 05 06:30:25 ponyofdeath, dunno, but it may save you having to process an RMA. ;) Mar 05 06:30:39 DocScrutinizer: iirc the transmitter uses the receiver to tune in Mar 05 06:30:56 I found this frequency waterhole here that's completely free of anything else in a 20-50km radius.. this other day I was listening to music in my car through fmtx when I met a semi, and he had a bigger transmitter than me because the music changed to something ghastly for a second :) Mar 05 06:30:57 ponyofdeath: you also tried to scan neighbour channels on your onkyo? N900-FM-TX freq might be off Mar 05 06:31:19 cehteh: nope Mar 05 06:31:29 yeah .. try to look close in the range some difference are comon on different devices Mar 05 06:32:51 ponyofdeath: what kind of radio do you use to receive the fmtx? Mar 05 06:33:00 onkyo Mar 05 06:33:03 he told Mar 05 06:33:10 * cehteh didnt read backlog Mar 05 06:33:30 seems with wirewhip antenna Mar 05 06:33:56 thinking .. is it connected to cable or distant antenna .. ok checked already Mar 05 06:34:01 i pwns at disconnecting Mar 05 06:34:04 the 3g cover seems bad here (on a train atm) Mar 05 06:34:04 ...........ok, now microb crashed _again_ Mar 05 06:34:04 does i do nasty things to it? : < Mar 05 06:34:17 toggle to 2g Mar 05 06:34:19 ponyofdeath: to make sure: you don't have a coax cable connected to Onkyo, for antenna? Mar 05 06:34:40 is 2g able to use internet at all? Mar 05 06:34:48 yes Mar 05 06:34:52 anyway, can try next time it d/c's Mar 05 06:34:52 FIQ: slow .. but yes Mar 05 06:34:58 ok Mar 05 06:35:00 that's called GPRS or EDGE Mar 05 06:35:12 DocScrutinizer: its whatever the fm antena was that it came with i can tune to other fm stations fine so i doubt that is it also it does not work in my car as well Mar 05 06:35:13 better than a really instable network. :p Mar 05 06:35:15 enouh for irc, im and mail anyways Mar 05 06:35:19 gprs.. 2.5g Mar 05 06:35:27 gsm = 2g Mar 05 06:35:33 cehteh: onkyo 606 Mar 05 06:35:37 maybe no fun to browse picture laden websites Mar 05 06:35:59 hm Mar 05 06:36:01 ponyofdeath: i dont know that, just had the idea that you maybe have it connected to coax Mar 05 06:36:13 ponyofdeath: we're not talking about your car atm. And I'd seriously ask you to check if you connected an antenna cable to the receiver Mar 05 06:36:19 it's not good for yt? ;o Mar 05 06:36:22 FIQ: stop browsing pr0n on the train Mar 05 06:36:25 DocScrutinizer: ohh i see cuz it does look like a coax plug Mar 05 06:36:26 Mar 05 06:36:35 lol cehteh Mar 05 06:36:42 a coax cable to next wall outlet for roof antenna or the like Mar 05 06:36:59 cehteh, DocScrutinizer yeah the white antena cable is connected Mar 05 06:37:03 hm Mar 05 06:37:04 haha Mar 05 06:37:08 ponyofdeath: unplug that Mar 05 06:37:12 using ps3 controller Mar 05 06:37:19 could be great for emus Mar 05 06:37:33 cehteh: why i cant get any signal then Mar 05 06:37:34 or put your n900 next to the antenna .. on the roof or wherever :) Mar 05 06:38:07 you can NOT use FM-TX next a shielded coax cable, the device needs to be next to ACTUAL antenna which is *on your roof* if you use antenna cable Mar 05 06:38:26 ponyofdeath: of course .. you have to be close to the antenna .. nearer than 1m, but works for me as far as 5-6m with reasonable quality Mar 05 06:38:57 cehteh, DocScrutinizer the antena for the onkyo is not coax its an simple wire Mar 05 06:38:59 note that signal strength decreases exponentially to the distance Mar 05 06:39:12 ponyofdeath: ok then Mar 05 06:39:25 cehteh, DocScrutinizer: i have the phone right next to the antena Mar 05 06:39:36 and no other antenna plugged in? Mar 05 06:39:48 cehteh, DocScrutinizer: nope just the fm on took the am one out Mar 05 06:40:08 and that antenna is a single ended wire, yes? just ending in the eair some 1.5m away from Onkyo? Mar 05 06:40:55 cehteh, DocScrutinizer: yup single wire i put the n900 in varios places around the antena Mar 05 06:41:07 ok then Mar 05 06:41:13 cehteh, DocScrutinizer: I would think i would hear atleast an faint signal Mar 05 06:41:14 * cehteh didnt heared about broken transmitters yet .. such a thing is hardly to break since its all inside the bluetooth chip Mar 05 06:41:28 guess you really got a problem with either your firmware or your hw Mar 05 06:41:55 cehteh: nope it isn't Mar 05 06:41:57 you guys really think that a firmware can fix this Mar 05 06:42:05 DocScrutinizer, btw do you have an ID on the battery gauge chip or even a datasheet by now? :-) Mar 05 06:42:18 heh we dont know the error .. how should we know the fix? Mar 05 06:42:27 ShadowJK: not yet. N900 disassembly still pending ;-) Mar 05 06:42:51 like GeneralAntilles saied .. maybe RMA Mar 05 06:43:02 ponyofdeath: see, if the firmware does any bad on the tx hw, then it might cause that error Mar 05 06:43:03 DocScrutinizer: are you dissassembling yours, seriously? Mar 05 06:43:18 cehteh: well im just saying what does the firmware have to do with the fm transmitter Mar 05 06:43:19 I think the charging chip is known, I didn't realize there was a separate gauge chip too... but in hindsight it should have been obvious as the meter was kinda unsynced from the charging state (I put that down to software) Mar 05 06:43:28 tybollt: no, my neighbour does. On his N900 ;-P Mar 05 06:43:44 DocScrutinizer: I'd be interested to know, if so, how hard it is to pry off the plastic casing (I'm going to give fixing my HW problem a shot Mar 05 06:43:52 tybollt: you know I know I mustn't disassemble not to lose waranty Mar 05 06:43:56 ponyofdeath: firmware contains the driver and stuff .. dunno exactly how its controlled Mar 05 06:44:04 but it worked for me with the first firmware Mar 05 06:44:14 (production firmware) Mar 05 06:44:19 DocScrutinizer: everyone knows that... but some don't care >:) Mar 05 06:44:34 of course it can be that you have another hardware revision or whatever Mar 05 06:44:43 tybollt: that's why my neighbour does that, not me :-P Mar 05 06:44:56 cehteh what is ur hardware ver Mar 05 06:45:24 Hardware : Nokia RX-51 board Mar 05 06:45:24 Revision : 2101 Mar 05 06:46:03 cehteh: rx51 as well where do i find the revision Mar 05 06:46:12 iirc the only ones i seen in the wild yet .. i hoped for a later one but i dont know how this revision names are relate to production batches Mar 05 06:46:22 cat /proc/cpuinfo Mar 05 06:46:36 DocScrutinizer: can you interview said neighbourino and enquire as to how hard it is to go about the manouver I described above? :) Mar 05 06:46:56 tybollt: sure. I'll even take some photos Mar 05 06:47:03 cehteh: haha yeah same one Mar 05 06:47:16 DocScrutinizer: oh shit! She a looker? Mar 05 06:47:23 tybollt: nevertheless there's a video on youtube Mar 05 06:47:58 well its all skrews, no clamps (maybe a few) and no glue .. i am surprised that this device is actually made for being serviceable and not just replaceable Mar 05 06:48:04 DocScrutinizer: yeah... but this was more like... "what's your gutfeeling? Did you feel you were almost breaking the plastics or was there a lot of lee way?" Mar 05 06:48:46 tybollt: k, I can do that. I'll report on it Mar 05 06:48:46 cehteh: hmm ok Mar 05 06:48:52 DocScrutinizer: thanks! Mar 05 06:48:53 afk Mar 05 06:48:55 tybollt: from the disassemble reports i seen so far, its better than most technical gadget crap out there Mar 05 06:49:20 DocScrutinizer,cehteh what is the best way to back up this thing before re-flash when running linux :) Mar 05 06:49:22 fair enough - might give it a go then... Mar 05 06:49:30 ponyofdeath: rsync? :) Mar 05 06:49:34 and git Mar 05 06:49:38 ponyofdeath: tar? rsync? dump? Mar 05 06:49:40 thats what i use at least Mar 05 06:49:42 ponyofdeath: use backup app Mar 05 06:49:56 ponyofdeath: don't reflash the eMMC Mar 05 06:49:58 rsync device to laptop and git commit some important files Mar 05 06:49:59 ^ Mar 05 06:50:01 (aka /home) Mar 05 06:50:18 DocScrutinizer: what u mean eMMC Mar 05 06:50:45 the chiip/fs where /home and MyDocs live in Mar 05 06:51:18 cehteh: git fer backups? Well aren't you the creative feller? :-D Mar 05 06:51:19 ponyofdeath: the usual rootfs flashing doesn't affect /home Mar 05 06:51:31 DocScrutinizer: ohh cool Mar 05 06:51:45 tybollt: config files and so on .. not everything Mar 05 06:51:46 DocScrutinizer: will it wipe out the pkg's i have installed Mar 05 06:51:59 cehteh: in fact... git might be real awesome for that... does git do binary storage/handling well? Mar 05 06:52:06 no Mar 05 06:52:11 ah, crap >:) Mar 05 06:52:17 ponyofdeath: nevertheless do a backup to said /home (or uSD) for saving the few settings from /etc etc Mar 05 06:52:17 well actually it can Mar 05 06:52:22 tar are pretty much ok Mar 05 06:52:28 tar.{bz2,gz} arent Mar 05 06:52:29 * tybollt was . o O(pr0n in git - eh?) ;) Mar 05 06:52:31 it doesnt even record full metadata as in permissions / user / groups Mar 05 06:52:37 but there are tools for that Mar 05 06:52:49 ponyofdeath: it will, but restore from backup will install all the apps installed via HAM Mar 05 06:53:03 well no need ... i just need the history of certain files i modified Mar 05 06:53:26 s/insta/re-insta/ Mar 05 06:53:27 DocScrutinizer meant: ponyofdeath: it will, but restore from backup will re-install all the apps installed via HAM Mar 05 06:56:04 DocScrutinizer, cehteh where does the backup app put the backup ? Mar 05 06:56:23 emmc or sd card Mar 05 06:56:29 .backups or so Mar 05 06:56:31 ponyofdeath: then after reflash I suggest you do a test using settings-fm-tx and system tones, rather than immediately restoring and using mediaplayer Mar 05 06:57:00 ponyofdeath: you can select that to a certain degree Mar 05 06:57:14 just don't worry, it works Mar 05 06:57:31 (backup) Mar 05 06:58:07 DocScrutinizer: so enable fm-tx from settings and then play system tones? Mar 05 06:58:16 yep Mar 05 06:58:22 so where do i donwload firmware from Mar 05 06:58:35 most generic way, not involving any additional source-of-failure Mar 05 06:58:46 nokia Mar 05 06:59:29 cool thanks alot guys Mar 05 06:59:38 for your help i hope i dont have to rma it :( Mar 05 06:59:47 i will miss it too much Mar 05 06:59:48 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 05 07:00:19 remember kids, don't do s/ //g on a 2gb oracle dump Mar 05 07:01:11 lol... 12040211 occurences replaced Mar 05 07:01:28 crashanddie: on the n900? :) Mar 05 07:01:32 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Mar 05 07:02:20 cehteh: that too Mar 05 07:02:35 I humbly doubt Mar 05 07:03:14 though *might* work on N900 as well Mar 05 07:03:19 :-P Mar 05 07:03:29 Oracle 11g on N900 Mar 05 07:03:39 Any DBA's wet dream Mar 05 07:03:45 LOL Mar 05 07:04:12 I thought you're about to transscript tmo to 733t Mar 05 07:06:22 26-FEB-1002.35.25.650000AM Mar 05 07:06:37 long ago :) Mar 05 07:06:44 what kind of timestamp is that? Mar 05 07:07:16 DD-MON-YYHH.MM.SS.NNNNNN Mar 05 07:07:31 ah Mar 05 07:07:33 hehe strange Mar 05 07:07:40 WTF??!! http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php messes up between IMEI and product code :-(( WHAT do they want now? Mar 05 07:08:06 i thought thats cigarette breaks since larry ellison sold his first oracle installation Mar 05 07:08:07 ok, time to send out weekly report and wrap things up and go home Mar 05 07:09:25 The good thing about doing your reports on Friday between 5PM and 6PM? Mar 05 07:09:38 Nobody is in the building, so the systems are blisteringly fast Mar 05 07:10:10 more like AM here Mar 05 07:10:27 8:10am to be precise Mar 05 07:10:53 between 5 and 6 AM it's quite common there's nobody else in the office Mar 05 07:11:24 cehteh: I assumed he did all the packaging for the last 2 hours ;-P Mar 05 07:12:11 DocScrutinizer: what do you think about making the window titles in xchat configureable? Mar 05 07:12:29 actually I wonder which TZ it's 6AM now (Fr) Mar 05 07:12:45 here the channel name is so much left that its not readable ... grr Mar 05 07:12:54 cehteh: I acked on the idea quite some days ago iirc Mar 05 07:13:08 same here Mar 05 07:13:11 i think i go after it .. this sux Mar 05 07:13:37 cehteh: while you're on it, the tabs could use chan-name aliases as well Mar 05 07:13:51 what tabs? Mar 05 07:13:58 y tried JRuby and Duby Mar 05 07:14:06 the chan tabs Mar 05 07:14:24 * ShadowJK uses the tree switcher :-/ Mar 05 07:14:28 what do you mean by alias? Mar 05 07:14:41 something configureable? Mar 05 07:14:49 with chan names like #openmoko-cdevel it's getting somewhat crowded Mar 05 07:15:00 ShadowJK: even then (me too) Mar 05 07:15:15 I remember something that cut out the middle Mar 05 07:15:16 so you want to #openmoko-cdevel -> mokodev Mar 05 07:15:24 alike? Mar 05 07:15:27 cehteh: alias #openmoko-cdevel=omcd Mar 05 07:15:30 in settings Mar 05 07:15:56 hum looks a bit complicated for me .. i dont want to invest that much time in it Mar 05 07:16:10 i c Mar 05 07:16:29 just a suggestion (not even my original idea) Mar 05 07:16:30 i just think about some printf style thing for the titles "%c %n" Mar 05 07:16:46 yeah maybe useful but i only want to fix my own itches Mar 05 07:17:19 and something which doesnt cost me a day to figure out an code up Mar 05 07:17:39 hildonizing xchat, at least some things would be nice too Mar 05 07:17:50 /w 3 Mar 05 07:17:52 channel switcher for example Mar 05 07:18:47 increase hot area of main scrollwindow scrollbar arrows Mar 05 07:19:01 just the hot area, not the iconsize itself Mar 05 07:19:47 i am not gtk programmer dunno if that possible Mar 05 07:20:09 and it runs into other widgets anyways ... tiler, channel tabs, text area Mar 05 07:20:16 so that wont be easy Mar 05 07:20:27 me neither, but I'd hope it's simple enough Mar 05 07:20:39 note that i have a left-side tabbar instead bottom Mar 05 07:20:55 me too Mar 05 07:21:56 the scroll up/down arrows are really broken Mar 05 07:22:18 yes Mar 05 07:22:30 at least completely unusable Mar 05 07:23:15 hildonize that area and remove that arrows would be nice Mar 05 07:23:20 the worst thing is my wertzu kbd doesn't have up/down primary keys :-( Mar 05 07:23:20 but i have no idea how to do that Mar 05 07:25:33 Ah, this announcement is music to my ears Mar 05 07:25:58 crashanddie, which announcement? Mar 05 07:26:12 oracle joins with sqlite? Mar 05 07:26:13 "Attention ladies and gentlemen, this building will be closing in 35 minutes, if you do not have a signed authorisation to remain after hours, please make your way to the exit" Mar 05 07:26:41 haha Mar 05 07:27:02 * DocScrutinizer really puzzled which TZ crashanddie lives in. Mars station? Mar 05 07:27:11 DocScrutinizer: Brisbane, Australia Mar 05 07:27:12 DocScrutinizer: downunder? Mar 05 07:27:41 ooh, so they're even another few hours ahead of far east. I see Mar 05 07:27:55 and maybe dst? Mar 05 07:28:10 yeah , prolly that as well Mar 05 07:28:35 DocScrutinizer: NZ is two hours further even Mar 05 07:28:44 yikes Mar 05 07:28:45 for them it's 7:30PM Mar 05 07:28:56 Friday Mar 05 07:28:57 obviously Mar 05 07:29:12 hehe .. anything is sane exept living in the west of china Mar 05 07:29:23 whole china has peking-time Mar 05 07:29:32 bah Mar 05 07:29:37 lol Mar 05 07:29:42 that sounds awesome Mar 05 07:29:48 cehteh: "Beijing" Mar 05 07:29:49 mainland china==underworld Mar 05 07:30:03 i bet people in the west hate it Mar 05 07:30:32 I sometimes wonder about the origins of "peking" Mar 05 07:30:44 and "japan" Mar 05 07:30:55 * DocScrutinizer remembers TPE earthquake reports Mar 05 07:31:05 need to check Mar 05 07:32:15 cehteh: I doubt they care really Mar 05 07:32:24 cehteh: here in Queensland there is no daylight time savings Mar 05 07:32:41 and nobody really cares Mar 05 07:33:02 they just know sun goes up at that time, and goes down at that time... If you don't know any different, couldn't care less Mar 05 07:33:19 yeah i dont like dst either Mar 05 07:33:27 aah yes. Seems I remember aussies are screwed with their local DST regulations Mar 05 07:33:38 crashanddie: what is "winter" weather like where you are? Like peak cold of the year? Mar 05 07:33:51 but i think office hours, school times and all are also equal thoughout the country Mar 05 07:35:01 tybollt: considering I've been here for two months I'm not the right person to answer that question Mar 05 07:35:09 crashanddie: =) Mar 05 07:35:17 I just had the end of the summer Mar 05 07:35:36 and it's still 26 degrees on average, even though it's been raining quite a bit over the past 2 weeks Mar 05 07:35:41 ~weather YBBN Mar 05 07:35:44 Brisbane Airport M. O, Australia; (YBBN) 27-23S 153-06E 5M; last updated: 2010.03.05 0700 UTC; Dew Point: 69 F (21 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.80 in. Hg (1009 hPa); Relative Humidity: 73%; Sky conditions: overcast; Temperature: 78 F (26 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the ENE (070 degrees) at 15 MPH (13 KT) Mar 05 07:36:05 See it just struck me I know all about how freaking hot it gets in .au, but I never really heard of .au winter. Mar 05 07:36:09 * sigh * Mar 05 07:36:44 * tybollt hands ptl a pink pwny Mar 05 07:37:33 ~weather EDDN Mar 05 07:37:36 Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2010.03.05 0720 UTC; Dew Point: 17 F (-8 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.15 in. Hg (1021 hPa); Relative Humidity: 73%; Temperature: 24 F (-4 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the NW (310 degrees) at 3 MPH (3 KT) Mar 05 07:38:56 ~weather ARN Mar 05 07:38:59 I can't find station code "ARN" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). Mar 05 07:39:01 (where I am at :S ) Mar 05 07:39:49 ~weather ESSA Mar 05 07:39:52 Stockholm / Arlanda, Sweden; (ESSA) 59-39N 017-57E 61M; last updated: 2010.03.05 0720 UTC; Dew Point: 5 F (-15 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.06 in. Hg (1018 hPa); Relative Humidity: 61%; Temperature: 15 F (-9 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the N (350 degrees) at 10 MPH (9 KT); Windchill: 3 F (-16 C) Mar 05 07:40:07 ~weather ISS Mar 05 07:40:09 I can't find station code "ISS" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). Mar 05 07:40:12 aww :) Mar 05 07:40:26 ICALO are *4* digits Mar 05 07:40:49 letters actually, and ICAO codes Mar 05 07:40:57 doubt iss has one Mar 05 07:41:09 iss is above all that Mar 05 07:41:10 :> Mar 05 07:41:23 lol Mar 05 07:41:29 the air pressure and temperature might be a bit off the scale Mar 05 07:42:55 actually pretty much all values are off or completely meaningless Mar 05 07:43:33 it depends wether the sensors are located inside or outside :) Mar 05 07:43:44 there's not even such a thing like temperature, honestly Mar 05 07:43:55 sure there is Mar 05 07:44:07 it's not /that/ cold just above earth Mar 05 07:44:12 inside is a constant, hardcoded to ICAO reports server ;-P Mar 05 07:44:20 :)) Mar 05 07:44:51 Corsac: no air (or any medium for that case) -> no tempeature Mar 05 07:46:05 you got a radiation temperature, which is something quite different that the usual meaning of temperature Mar 05 07:46:23 than Mar 05 07:47:20 grr argh libtool is giving me trouble. Mar 05 07:51:30 ~DocScrutinizer++ Mar 05 07:52:10 it's amazing how many people believe that you would instantly freeze in space -- however if there is nothing that can absorb your heat, then you just "radiate" Mar 05 07:52:25 that being said, I'd rather not be naked when exposed to the Sun Mar 05 07:54:15 crashanddie: pressure is a serious issue out there too. Mar 05 07:54:50 no it isn't Mar 05 07:55:18 the tensile strength of your skin is far greater than the supposed "boiling blood" thing you see in movies Mar 05 07:55:41 your mouth would be dry and tongue would be sizzling, and if you try to hold your breath your lungs would explose Mar 05 07:55:49 but other than that, lack of pressure wouldn't kill you Mar 05 07:57:32 I didn't say you would explode. But you lungs and eyes suffer at some extends. Mar 05 07:57:46 yep Mar 05 07:58:15 o_O Mar 05 07:58:53 BIG question is - will my N900 work? Mar 05 07:58:56 all reports / investigations seem to indicate a safe time of 10..20sec and a concious time up to 1 minute -though with severe injuries to eyes etc Mar 05 07:59:03 I mean to make phone calls? Mar 05 07:59:15 survival time can be as high as 15 minutes Mar 05 07:59:43 tybollt: write a sms. Your voice tends to be a little... thin Mar 05 08:00:38 DocScrutinizer: sound needs air to travel - right? Mar 05 08:00:40 and yes, of course N900 will work Mar 05 08:01:09 until it gets first massive xray hit Mar 05 08:01:22 solar flare? Mar 05 08:02:07 I heard Neo Freeruner even been to space :-D Mar 05 08:02:22 DocScrutinizer: it is about 3 degrees above absolute zero in Space, IIRC Mar 05 08:02:49 radio signals do not require any air Mar 05 08:02:54 DocScrutinizer: astronaut getting pissed off and throwing it into the sun? Mar 05 08:03:00 thresh: that's the radiation temperature of background radiation Mar 05 08:03:13 if you have a base station near your mobile in the space, you will get signal Mar 05 08:03:18 and it will actually work Mar 05 08:03:31 Stskeeps: lol. naw it's been an unmanned mission Mar 05 08:03:34 well it probably be iced in a minute, bust still Mar 05 08:09:38 Stskeeps: soory can't find a pointer. Maybe they (ESA) didn't report on it publically. Mar 05 08:09:44 thresh: no it won't Mar 05 08:10:26 outer space is a perfect dewar "containment" Mar 05 08:12:35 yeah, like no radio signals can travel there. Mar 05 08:12:54 huh? Mar 05 08:13:44 hi there Mar 05 08:14:20 thresh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewar_flask look at the bold "VACUUM" in the red area Mar 05 08:14:48 outer space is NOT vacuum. Mar 05 08:14:53 i've been searching all over the maemo.org site for this for about an hour: whenever i connect my n900 to my Mac, it keeps telling me there is a new network interface to be setup. on my last install, i remember having to setup some file in, i think, /etc/udev/rules.d to fix a mac address or something the n900 was using to a specific address Mar 05 08:14:58 does anyone have the link to that help page? Mar 05 08:15:14 you think you lunch soup will freeze in a minute when placed into a dewar-flask? Mar 05 08:15:51 thresh: probably a better vacuum than you got in any average quality dewar-flask Mar 05 08:16:31 why is flash player on N900 so slow? I doubt the device is not powerful enough Mar 05 08:16:43 the device is not powerful enough Mar 05 08:16:59 flash is slow on a dual quad core mac pro ffs Mar 05 08:17:23 flash is single threaded so adding mroe cores won't really help Mar 05 08:17:26 flash is BS Mar 05 08:17:30 ...exactly Mar 05 08:18:03 if adobe can't even be arsed to thread flash, why would anyone think they would make it run on mobile devices Mar 05 08:18:44 and flash will eat up all your memory, even when you switch the browser to background, after a few hours at max Mar 05 08:19:17 your battery even, let alone memory Mar 05 08:19:31 Is there a way to disable the two hands video and nokia tune when the n900 turns on? I'd like the phone to always turn on quietly Mar 05 08:19:56 enrico: if your phone is in silent mode when you turn it off/on, it won't play any sound Mar 05 08:20:08 nice way to bring N900 to a grinding halt: start a youtube video - then when playback finished simply switch to another task and "forget" the browser Mar 05 08:20:45 Vratha: is there a way to get rid of it also when it's not in silent mode? Mar 05 08:20:46 enrico: yes, you can replace that video by another one Mar 05 08:21:13 DocScrutinizer: or remove it maybe... do you know where it is in teh file system? Mar 05 08:21:25 sorry, no Mar 05 08:21:35 put a 5 minute extremely loud porn video in its place Mar 05 08:21:38 sell phone on ebay Mar 05 08:21:41 priceless Mar 05 08:21:42 enrico: comment out filename=... in /etc/hildon-welcome.d/default.conf, you can remove /usr/share/hildon-welcome/media/$the_video_file afterwards Mar 05 08:21:55 Guest71220: thanks Mar 05 08:22:46 The other thing I couldn't find is how to ifup usb0 automatically when I connect usb. udevadm monitor oddly doesn't show events when I plug/unplug usb, although the phone obviously knows Mar 05 08:26:29 /join #android Mar 05 08:26:45 subtle Mar 05 08:26:48 /join #maemo Mar 05 08:26:55 grrr Mar 05 08:26:58 stupid script Mar 05 08:27:10 Hello all ! Mar 05 08:43:36 ~help Mar 05 09:02:24 so Mar 05 09:02:50 where do I control the volume of the alarm clock? Mar 05 09:04:07 is .mp4 a catastrophically slow/heavy video format? Mar 05 09:06:51 .mp4 is a container format Mar 05 09:06:55 isn't mp4 just the container Mar 05 09:07:04 shadowjk beats me to it :P Mar 05 09:07:36 It suffers from comittee-designism and is pretty thick and complicated Mar 05 09:07:50 not computationally heavy though Mar 05 09:08:12 ok Mar 05 09:08:16 VIDEO: [H264] 640x360 24bpp 23.976 fps 330.4 kbps (40.3 kbyte/s) Mar 05 09:08:30 n900 mplayer choking on that Mar 05 09:08:44 h264 :) Mar 05 09:08:51 does it ship a theora plugin ? Mar 05 09:08:54 codec Mar 05 09:08:59 it almost can handle playback when i bypass pulseaudio and go straight to alsa Mar 05 09:09:18 I was going to say that I would imagine that resolution h264 would be sort of on the limit of what MPlayer can play back Mar 05 09:09:32 pupnik: fullscreen? Mar 05 09:09:34 -vo xv:ck-method=auto -lavdopts fast:skiploopfilter=nonref Mar 05 09:09:39 might just make it cope Mar 05 09:09:49 hmm trstin Mar 05 09:09:51 raster, fullscreen or not would have little impact I think? Mar 05 09:10:53 ShadowJK: technically even drawing with xv means doing a draw - i dont knowif it causes a damage eevent in this case Mar 05 09:10:58 as xv may use the overlay Mar 05 09:11:02 it does Mar 05 09:11:09 if its not usning xv - u are going thru the compositor if not fs Mar 05 09:11:15 if fs compositor turns off Mar 05 09:11:43 and compositor adds a lot of overhead - you lose about 30-40% of framerate with it on - just by numbers Mar 05 09:11:45 When you go to the task switcher, the MPlayer "preview" is just a cropped version of the movie, not a scaled down version Mar 05 09:11:51 i think visibly it actually worse Mar 05 09:12:04 yeah Mar 05 09:12:08 thats the overlay Mar 05 09:12:09 which I think means that the compositor isn't fucking with it :) Mar 05 09:12:14 no Mar 05 09:12:28 but the compositor could be using cycles compositing the colorckey thats being redrawn Mar 05 09:12:34 just try it in fs and see if its better Mar 05 09:12:53 fyi - compositor really kills perf :( Mar 05 09:13:02 yes Mar 05 09:13:06 i have never seen so many mixer controls as on n900 alsamixer Mar 05 09:13:14 Anyone who tried it on a normal linux desktop can see that :) Mar 05 09:13:45 Dudex, i GOT IT!! Mar 05 09:13:46 pupnik: interesting - why wasn't one settled for? Mar 05 09:13:50 hehe, I just picked a random one in alsamixer that was at full, and turned it down to half, and the volume range on the volume slider in the GUI suddenly became alot more relevant for my headphones Mar 05 09:14:03 /media/mmc1/video $ pasuspender -- mplayer -fs -nocache -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 -vo xv:ck-method=auto -lavdopts fast:skiploopfilter=nonref -quiet fff-Sheldon-capitalism-versus-free-market.mp4 Mar 05 09:14:20 ty ShadowJK Mar 05 09:14:36 This reminds me, I started porting the maemo patches to recent mplayer Mar 05 09:14:44 (the one in Maemo is from December) Mar 05 09:14:49 in extras, I mean Mar 05 09:15:10 is that good for anything?:) Mar 05 09:15:10 I think I just posted my longest rant on tmo, yet Mar 05 09:15:11 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=556576#post556576 Mar 05 09:16:41 tl;dr Mar 05 09:20:57 "you have waaaayyy too much time on your hands to be guarding a thread this much" =) Mar 05 09:21:32 Shrik3: I spent a total of 40 minutes for both posts, he's been at it all day Mar 05 09:21:45 yeah, people like that are weird Mar 05 09:21:53 wikipedia has a crapton of those Mar 05 09:22:10 they just camp in wikipedia and argue about the same issues Mar 05 09:22:21 and usually win just because they're louder than anyone else and have more time Mar 05 09:22:34 it's like they have revert on a shortcut Mar 05 09:22:49 get an email "Someone edit[REVERTED Mar 05 09:23:19 "but you didn't even read the changes I made, I was correcting a typo[REVERTED COMMENTS PAGE: {REASON: SPAM}] Mar 05 09:23:52 I'd like to takeover wikipedia Mar 05 09:23:55 well, #wikipedia Mar 05 09:24:01 and just +m Mar 05 09:24:40 crashanddie: damn ! no thx button Mar 05 09:24:40 the whole channel, and the topic would be changed to "Welcome to #wikipedia. The place initially created to talk and share information, but just like wikipedia.org, this is now impossible due to stupid rules" Mar 05 09:25:01 khertan: read the other one a few pages before as well Mar 05 09:25:11 crashanddie: this a bit the same for everything.maemo.orh Mar 05 09:25:14 crashanddie: this a bit the same for everything.maemo.org Mar 05 09:27:01 need thx for the previous one too Mar 05 09:34:25 * ShadowJK stares at the userContent.css that adflashblock-css dragged in Mar 05 09:34:36 I wonder if this could be used to fix the minimalist light theme Mar 05 09:35:13 Morning, all Mar 05 09:36:05 crashanddie: interesting thread Mar 05 09:38:47 0 Mar 05 09:38:51 hey hey has anyone tested joikuspot? Mar 05 09:40:19 on an N900, no? Mar 05 09:40:22 on symbian, yes Mar 05 09:40:42 ok.. how is it on symbian? Mar 05 09:42:26 The version I got is somewhat unstable Mar 05 09:42:42 Somewhat unstable as in it randomly reboots and/or errors after about 10 minutes of use Mar 05 09:42:45 On N900 thatis Mar 05 09:42:55 But it's still totally beta, so no high expectations Mar 05 09:44:35 nod. Seems like a very cool app Mar 05 10:04:12 what is this wd.sharethis.com crap which keeps swapping out its redirector for the real link i want to share Mar 05 10:05:24 <`0660> i'm sure they provide a valuable service :) Mar 05 10:06:32 a new trick to swap in adverts Mar 05 10:07:26 A Swedish pilot with a fake commercial license was arrested in his cockpit at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport as he prepared to fly 101 passengers on a Boeing 737 to Turkey, the 41 year-old Swede, who was at the helm of a jet bound for Ankara, had been flying for 13 years and logged more than 10,000 flight hours using forged documents for airlines in Belgium, Britain and Italy. Mar 05 10:07:48 that said, if he did it without accidents, maybe he needs a exam proof Mar 05 10:07:49 :P Mar 05 10:08:03 The pilot, whose name was not disclosed, was said to have expressed relief when confronted and taken off his pilot's stripes. Mar 05 10:08:30 "OH GUYS, I'm so glad you finally caught me! I've been doing this for 13 years and everytime I thought I was going to die!!!!" Mar 05 10:08:41 hehe Mar 05 10:08:53 "The terrorists, they told me to do it! They killed the pilot and then I had to fly! I NEVER STOPPED!" Mar 05 10:09:00 :) Mar 05 10:09:38 * rzr is looking for an astronaut diploma template Mar 05 10:09:42 btw, there's some nice reporting for ya... "The pilot had been flying for 13 years" -- that's an aweful long time. Mar 05 10:09:59 I'd like to know what plain was used ;) Mar 05 10:10:13 s/plain/plane/ Mar 05 10:10:13 crashanddie meant: I'd like to know what plane was used ;) Mar 05 10:10:26 he's got a slow plane , that's what it took that long Mar 05 10:10:54 I don't know what to get for dinner Mar 05 10:11:00 nah a fast plane, they didnt managed to caught him Mar 05 10:11:05 pizza, meh. McDonalds? Meh. Mar 05 10:11:10 catch Mar 05 10:11:18 diy! Mar 05 10:11:25 rzr: I live in a hotel Mar 05 10:11:44 hotelbar! Mar 05 10:11:45 mcd! Mar 05 10:11:58 no problem , when someone can fake a diploma, got some imagination Mar 05 10:12:07 got a bathtub ? got some meat Mar 05 10:12:10 explore Mar 05 10:12:16 hmm Mar 05 10:12:20 crashanddie: that's old news Mar 05 10:12:25 i even buzz'd it yesterday Mar 05 10:12:27 shower-smoked bacon Mar 05 10:13:15 rzr: if I stayed a bit longer, I could plant bacteria in a bit of water, then wait for it to evolve into a new kind of fish! Mar 05 10:13:28 homemade fish! Mar 05 10:13:44 sushi :) Mar 05 10:14:03 did sushi yesterday Mar 05 10:14:15 though Mar 05 10:14:21 how about italian today? Mar 05 10:14:35 yeah, I'll probably order a pizza or lasagna Mar 05 10:14:36 the pilot in question was actually an educated pilot - he just didn't renew his license Mar 05 10:14:53 cehteh: linguini... Mar 05 10:15:29 tybollt: why not? bad eyes, alkoholic? Mar 05 10:15:47 < crashanddie> A Swedish pilot with a fake commercial license was arrested in his cockpit at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport as he prepared to fly 101 passengers on a Boeing 737 to Turkey, the 41 year-old Swede, who was at the helm of a jet bound for Ankara, had been flying for 13 years and logged more than 10,000 flight hours using forged documents for airlines in Belgium, Britain and Italy. Mar 05 10:15:57 I bet that guy knew how to fly a lot better than most rookies :) Mar 05 10:17:07 well if he didnt renewed his license and faked some documents it must have some reason Mar 05 10:18:35 and yet he demonstrated an ability to fly competently Mar 05 10:21:00 yes .. so why didnt he renewed it? .. could be andthing, drug addic, illness, ... but possible which made him scrared that it wont be renewed Mar 05 10:21:45 wasn't he licensed to fly only light planes, so it wasn't a matter of just renewing it, but taking all new courses for heavier planes? Mar 05 10:21:50 i dont judge about all rules they have to comply too may be reasonable .. but still, i dont want to tell that he is some kind of hero against the system Mar 05 10:22:07 he only ever had a license to fly small planes so even if he was licensed still he would not qualify to fly passenger planes Mar 05 10:22:44 perhaps he was self-certified by playing a lot of Flight Simulator X? :) Mar 05 10:23:06 lol Mar 05 10:24:08 he got is training from that flight sim thing in extras Mar 05 10:25:18 what is the sim called? Mar 05 10:26:24 not sure i remember seeing something though a while back Mar 05 10:28:01 Where has the "thank" button disappeared? =) Mar 05 10:35:48 hello, is there a way to synchronize my n900 with kde's kontact? Mar 05 10:39:40 hm Mar 05 10:39:52 i'm not a xterm pro Mar 05 10:40:19 but.. what's the cmd for changing color+bg? :p Mar 05 10:42:28 menu font selection has 2 gray buttons for that Mar 05 10:43:13 ah Mar 05 10:43:17 there Mar 05 10:43:35 ty Mar 05 10:46:58 wpa_supplicant works @ n900 :) eduroam finally Mar 05 11:10:58 pffff two bugs need to be enter in the bugs tracker ... Mar 05 11:11:06 but pfff not motivated to do it Mar 05 11:11:14 anyway ... it ll be not fixed ... Mar 05 11:13:52 khertan_, what bugs? Mar 05 11:20:41 hi Mar 05 11:21:26 ~curse maemo5 gallery app devs Mar 05 11:21:27 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, maemo5 gallery app devs ! Mar 05 11:22:29 photo can be set as avatar for contact. it allows to select area even... but where from it gets pic orientation? Mar 05 11:23:15 I opened photo, rotated it, saved, selected as avatar. now contacts shows rotated pic instead of proper :( Mar 05 11:31:41 mgedmin: all bugs that are in : maemo.org/packages Mar 05 11:31:52 now i can count 8 Mar 05 11:31:57 fun! Mar 05 11:32:17 but anyway ... wontfix as we will switch to meego Mar 05 11:33:34 bug #9413 anyone? Mar 05 11:33:35 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9413 avatar set by Images app has wrong orientation Mar 05 11:34:20 khertan_: all maemo5 bugs are officially 'features' and WONTFIX by default Mar 05 11:34:26 thats my feeling Mar 05 11:40:16 mgedmin: vectormine 1.0.6-1 is available in extras-devel but http://maemo.org/packages/view/vectormine/ didn't see it Mar 05 11:40:36 hrw|n900, pic orientation is a general problem with sharing photos too.. Mar 05 11:40:39 mgedmin: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_non-free_armel/vectormine/1.0.5-1/ has wrong icon Mar 05 11:46:56 Khertan: btw did you fix your mailto: link for bugtracker field? Mar 05 11:47:11 Khertan: my two packages have the same problem so… :) Mar 05 11:50:11 ok so apparently I'm suffering from underlinked libraries Mar 05 11:54:02 Corsac: yes Mar 05 11:54:16 and in the same time ... i ll fix also my other problem Mar 05 11:54:28 i ll put my own bugtracker on my website Mar 05 11:54:36 and also create my own repository Mar 05 11:54:46 less dependant ... more free Mar 05 11:57:42 sounds like a great "solution" Mar 05 11:58:53 Khertan: please, don't Mar 05 11:58:55 Once upon a time when I used my N800 for the first time I had to reflash it nearly every week because there where tons of repositorys more or less working Mar 05 11:59:11 that was not really better Mar 05 11:59:16 and I'm sure Khertan remembers that time Mar 05 11:59:26 :) Mar 05 12:03:01 crashanddie: oh oh ... i ll Mar 05 12:03:54 or i didn't publish anything more for maemo ... Mar 05 12:04:23 you're not stupid enough to take such a decision Mar 05 12:04:37 even though you're french and everything Mar 05 12:05:17 it s seems that Mar 05 12:05:25 i m doing things by hobby Mar 05 12:05:52 at this time ... it s no more a hobby ... pass more time to package repackage due to change rule Mar 05 12:05:59 post bug ... wait Mar 05 12:06:02 repost package Mar 05 12:06:05 than to dev Mar 05 12:06:24 keep things for me only Mar 05 12:06:40 or take the decision to found an easier way to publish them Mar 05 12:06:48 make my own repository is the better Mar 05 12:07:43 at last, i've grabbed new n900 Mar 05 12:08:05 Khertan: you're one of our most active developers Mar 05 12:08:14 Khertan: we'd be idiots not to listen to you in terms of procedure Mar 05 12:09:16 Khertan: how about my suggestion .. just release source (maybe your own git or svn) and let someone else do the packaging Mar 05 12:13:56 Khertan: cehteh has a point Mar 05 12:16:55 would a meta-repo installer be possible? or too inherently buggy and full of conflicts? Mar 05 12:17:13 pupnik: explain Mar 05 12:17:23 seeing as a number of folks just give up and create their own repos Mar 05 12:18:07 wildcat repos :) Mar 05 12:18:47 i have seen at least 3 for n900 Mar 05 12:19:22 maybe a gronmayer indexer is the best way to help ppl find stuff Mar 05 12:22:11 or just make another rsync, completely untrusted repo where anyone can put stuff without any rules (and give a big warning to users) Mar 05 12:22:52 joo Mar 05 12:23:03 no rules, nothing .. just anarchy .. may the strongest survive or so :P Mar 05 12:23:17 that's a nice product plan!! Mar 05 12:23:39 let the most knowledgable hacker win! Mar 05 12:23:42 ugh... Mar 05 12:23:45 hehe Mar 05 12:24:24 well i am a bit serious, you can either have maemo org somewhar regulated plans and rules to get something officially in Mar 05 12:25:00 or you do something on your own .. but then everyone having his own 3 package repository everywhere on the web wont scale Mar 05 12:25:44 just make this a real community thing, simple round-robin dns and anyone who wants can contribute with server space Mar 05 12:32:38 moin cehteh Mar 05 12:33:06 heh .. ausgeschlafen or what? Mar 05 12:33:29 since 9h Mar 05 12:36:01 mmmh schlafen ja Mar 05 12:36:10 morgen morgen nur nicht HEUTE... etc ;) Mar 05 12:42:20 any ideas of ETA of PR1.2? Mar 05 12:42:41 Venomrush: three moons after the lord has risen Mar 05 12:42:47 shouldn't it came lastt feb? Mar 05 12:43:01 -t Mar 05 12:43:11 though someone said iy Mar 05 12:43:16 it* Mar 05 12:43:25 three moons? damn ... I hope he rises soon Mar 05 12:43:32 nokia makes no announcments .. anything are unqualified rumors Mar 05 12:43:49 ok Mar 05 12:44:14 ".nokia.com" Mar 05 12:44:18 hi Mar 05 12:44:50 hi anyway Mar 05 12:45:26 FIQ: link or it didn't happen Mar 05 12:46:04 i don't wna Mar 05 12:46:17 want to dig in planet maemo atm. :) Mar 05 12:46:36 hi, I know this is irrelevant: But, Is it possible to add more emoticons(Smileys) to N900 conversations?? Mar 05 12:46:49 * n00bmonkey waves Mar 05 12:46:55 hm, was it a netsplit before? Mar 05 12:47:49 oo anothe netsplit? :D Mar 05 12:48:01 antinetsplit ftw Mar 05 12:48:04 lol Mar 05 12:49:28 hi Mar 05 12:49:49 hey hrw Mar 05 12:49:58 oh he lef tlol Mar 05 12:49:58 sorry for joinflood Mar 05 12:50:04 and back lols Mar 05 12:50:13 :D Mar 05 12:50:29 * n00bmonkey blinks Mar 05 12:50:43 w000p another split Mar 05 12:50:45 there was "some" before you too Mar 05 12:50:51 :D Mar 05 12:51:59 surfing the splits today :D Mar 05 12:52:10 Venomrush: speaking of bug #9413 - orientation of avatar pictures or on disk pictures is stored wrong? as you confirmed bug and changed title... Mar 05 12:52:11 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9413 Photo orientation not saved once assigned as an avatar for a contact Mar 05 12:54:13 disk pictures Mar 05 12:54:23 if you follow the steps, you'll be able to reproduce Mar 05 12:54:28 using photos taken with N900 camera Mar 05 12:54:31 Venomrush: I reported bug Mar 05 12:54:40 Venomrush: and I used non-n900 photos Mar 05 12:54:53 right I used N900's photos Mar 05 12:55:02 *photos taken with N900 Mar 05 12:55:23 hmmm the http://mxr.maemo.org/ link in the irc room title doesnt go anywhere? or just me Mar 05 12:55:34 ignore me :) Mar 05 12:55:39 had a space at the end Mar 05 12:56:24 you can ask isitjustme too Mar 05 12:56:56 FIQ: the men in white coats in the mental asylum tells me "IT IS JUST YOU!" every day :( Mar 05 12:57:05 awwwwwwwww Mar 05 12:57:07 i work in mental health lol Mar 05 12:57:15 lol Mar 05 12:57:19 I had a girlfriend who did that Mar 05 12:57:22 and the men in white cots are not the people to fear..... it's the ki8tchen staff..... Mar 05 12:57:24 coats* Mar 05 12:57:31 "Shut up or I'll inject risperdal into you!" Mar 05 12:57:36 she used to say :) Mar 05 12:57:37 ;) Mar 05 12:57:41 * lcuk glances at Venomrush Mar 05 12:57:41 n00bmonkey: you know risperdal? Mar 05 12:57:56 shut up or i'll inject mass produced rice pudding into you... not wure which i fear most ;) Mar 05 12:58:06 :D Mar 05 12:58:11 * n00bmonkey glances at lcuk glancing at venomrush... lol Mar 05 12:58:20 n00bmonkey: rice pudding? Isat what they call uh... "tapioca"? Mar 05 12:58:27 lol - erm could be :) Mar 05 12:58:44 * lcuk pours a cup of water over n00bmonkey without taking his eyes off Venomrush :p Mar 05 12:58:58 wikipedia says no :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapioca Mar 05 12:59:14 tadaaaaaaa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_pudding Mar 05 12:59:20 damn that lcuk is talented Mar 05 12:59:50 its an anti-psychotic drug isn't it? much like rice pudding Mar 05 13:00:48 * n00bmonkey pokes venomrush Mar 05 13:01:29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risperdal n00b Mar 05 13:01:50 i was right :) Mar 05 13:03:43 I was actually surprised to learn from her that the most of their patients had checked themselves in Mar 05 13:06:49 * n00bmonkey has gone for lunch Mar 05 13:10:08 is it possible to prevent a specific number from calling? Mar 05 13:10:38 someone apparantly has no clue what "this is the wrong number, even the wrong country" means. Mar 05 13:10:48 swear louder =) Mar 05 13:13:30 Venomrush, ping Mar 05 13:18:01 anyone know if there's a pocketsphinx deb for the n900/fremantle? All I could find on google was lardman's reference to some 770 binaries. Mar 05 13:26:31 andre__, ping Mar 05 13:26:56 hrw: ping Mar 05 13:27:21 lcuk, png Mar 05 13:28:45 Jaffa: pong Mar 05 13:29:22 hrw: 0.7.6 of Catorise in -devel should fix your "uninitialized variable" issue. Mar 05 13:29:29 cool, thx Mar 05 13:31:27 ty Mar 05 13:33:00 Flandry_: did you make a pocketsphinx .deb for http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=541355&postcount=15 ? Mar 05 13:36:58 aep: "to WHOM? Peter?? Peter is totally mad on you, and asked me to tell you he'll bet you up all the way down main road next time he meets you" ;-D Mar 05 13:37:24 beat even Mar 05 13:37:44 Peter doesnt sound like a viatnamese name Mar 05 13:38:30 catorise is wonderful Mar 05 13:39:51 pupnik: can it customize your menus? or is it also fixed sorting related to HAM categories? Mar 05 13:40:21 pupnik: Thanks Mar 05 13:41:08 DocScrutinizer: categories. works for me Mar 05 13:41:30 DocScrutinizer: You mean can *you* customise your menu further than the assignment based on fd.o categories and package section? Yes, edit /opt/catorise/menu and run /opt/catorise/catorise as root. Creating new categories would be more involved and would involve source changes and additional .directory files in /opt/catorise/share/ Mar 05 13:41:39 nah, the categories in repos are somewhat braindamaged Mar 05 13:42:19 Jaffa: thanks :-) Mar 05 13:42:29 Well, the solution to that is to try and get the categories in the repos fixed; either an app is miscategorised or the categories themselves need changing. Given a user finds them through HAM or maemo.org/downloads through those categories there's benefit in getting them right Mar 05 13:43:59 calculator is "office", HP42 is "learning&knowledge" - for an example Mar 05 13:44:00 kirkburn Mar 05 13:44:28 ~all well? Mar 05 13:44:33 DocScrutinizer: So file bugs against those packages. If you mean the built-in calculator, file a bug against Catorise's allocation of the built-in apps. Mar 05 13:44:44 what is this Mar 05 13:44:47 what is this place Mar 05 13:44:48 what is this place Mar 05 13:45:16 /kick Clear Mar 05 13:45:22 neat Mar 05 13:45:34 oh, no spambot? Mar 05 13:46:54 * cehteh considers to remove catorize again too .. no much win Mar 05 13:47:06 argh mypaint is a cpu hawg... :( Mar 05 13:47:11 Jaffa: It's hard to tell if builtin calculator should go to learning, or HP42 should belong to office rather Mar 05 13:47:14 tried 'mymenu' which was equally unhelpful Mar 05 13:47:48 i just put the apps i regulary use on the desktop .. done Mar 05 13:47:57 cehteh: mymenu here as well, as I thought it'd better with that Mar 05 13:48:38 yeah, i cant really tell which one is better, both are in some way akward Mar 05 13:49:16 catorize has at least a 'all apps' button where you find the stuff for sure Mar 05 13:49:22 and i often end up using that Mar 05 13:49:30 so i can deinstall it instead Mar 05 13:49:47 can't identify a connector inside box, it's small wire with miniusb on one side and small box on other.. Mar 05 13:49:51 wtf? Mar 05 13:50:13 charger adapter Mar 05 13:51:00 with no manual or specs anywhere :-/ Mar 05 13:51:07 Mar 05 13:51:08 you can plug certain older nokia chargers into it, the adapter aligns the electrons and give them good karma for the n900 Mar 05 13:51:27 DocScrutinizer: there is a 'charging spec' you know .. its horrible Mar 05 13:51:38 rmrfchik: microusb Mar 05 13:51:45 :D Mar 05 13:52:29 ah, good. Mar 05 13:52:46 and I have usb-host <-> microusb wire.. Mar 05 13:52:56 cehteh: I'd be more interested in the allowable voltage range on this adapter's input Mar 05 13:53:05 but no usb connector to PC Mar 05 13:53:25 ahh.. my fault Mar 05 13:53:31 DocScrutinizer: should be anything which is speced by nokia for 2.5mm chargers? Mar 05 13:53:35 it's connector to usb ;) Mar 05 13:53:50 i dont know really .. but this charging spec is overly complicated Mar 05 13:53:58 cehteh: that's what you'd guess Mar 05 13:54:22 i decided that its easier to build your own charging addapter than using this thing Mar 05 13:54:37 cehteh: i guess anything is complicated when you have the IQ of an oyster Mar 05 13:54:38 usb charging is quite open and simple specified .. Mar 05 13:55:02 crashanddie: did you read the nokia specs? Mar 05 13:55:31 cehteh: why on earth would I do that? Mar 05 13:55:35 is there way to use usbnet? I just plugged n900 to my linux box, but can't see settings for usbnet in network manager Mar 05 13:55:58 rmrfchik: with some tricks yes .. search the wiki for usb PAN Mar 05 13:56:09 * cehteh didnt got it working either yet :P Mar 05 13:57:10 doh... old good n810 has this. or it also was a hack? long days Mar 05 13:57:49 rmrfchik: everything on n810 was a hack Mar 05 13:58:14 that's why it worked so flawlessly :-P Mar 05 13:58:36 No pages were found containing "usb" Mar 05 13:58:43 crashanddie: :) Mar 05 14:00:13 ttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking Mar 05 14:01:13 Enable RD Mode? Mar 05 14:01:55 rmrfchik: where on that page does it say that? Mar 05 14:05:25 you shouldn't need to enable rd mode Mar 05 14:05:31 in fact, you should never enable rd mode Mar 05 14:06:19 it makes the keyboard flash :D Mar 05 14:07:17 tybollt: on search results Mar 05 14:07:35 wheres ali1234 Mar 05 14:07:38 timeless_mbp: I want to gainroot to ifup usb0 Mar 05 14:07:47 ShadowJK: AFAIK you need no r&d mode for that Mar 05 14:07:53 rmrfchik: then install the rootfs package Mar 05 14:08:12 rmrfchik: then you can gainroot w/out enabling RD mode Mar 05 14:08:14 to install I need access network Mar 05 14:08:25 to access network, i need install Mar 05 14:08:28 catch 22 Mar 05 14:09:16 way catch22 :) Mar 05 14:09:19 I guess yours isn't "online as it happens" :) Mar 05 14:09:20 although Mar 05 14:09:37 rmrfchik: you can put the .deb on your memory card and install it locally Mar 05 14:10:01 i think I can Mar 05 14:10:12 good idea Mar 05 14:10:24 tybollt, well you need root to dpkg -i ;-) Mar 05 14:10:35 ShadowJK: red pill mode? Mar 05 14:10:41 app manager should have abitily Mar 05 14:10:42 no? Mar 05 14:10:44 tybollt, if he has ancient firmware, yeah Mar 05 14:10:55 yeah Mar 05 14:11:03 I suppose that's the assumption =) Mar 05 14:11:10 DocScrutinizer: The examples we (i.e. the community) came up with for the sections suggests calculators should all be in "Utilities" - http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging%2C_Deploying_and_Distributing#Sections - but my "Utilities" category is already getting quick large Mar 05 14:11:16 2.2009.51-1 here Mar 05 14:11:26 hm :-) Mar 05 14:12:36 anyway I have to admit I found that "you have to enable RD mode to break your device" pretty rude :) Mar 05 14:13:01 Then again, rude is probably how the general Swede would describe a general finn ;-P Mar 05 14:13:36 :O Mar 05 14:14:44 if you have an internet connection you can start breaking it right away :-) Mar 05 14:14:52 app manager can't install :( Mar 05 14:16:30 * RST38h suggests sending submiliminal messages to N900 users Mar 05 14:16:47 [in large red LEDs] ...BREAK YOUR DEVICE...BREAK YOUR DEVICE... Mar 05 14:17:00 7msg RST38h My credit card number is: Mar 05 14:17:10 yessss, my precioussss Mar 05 14:17:12 ? Mar 05 14:17:18 oh not THAT kidn of subliminal messages? :) Mar 05 14:17:26 4958 4491 0442 1922 Mar 05 14:17:35 * n00bmonkey had a lovely lunch :) Mar 05 14:17:45 can I set personal ring to account? Mar 05 14:18:37 Im about to transfer 10 gb of mp3s to my n900. now i dont see any music folder when i hook it with the cable. Any pointers? Mar 05 14:19:02 libben: 0xe39819a19283 Mar 05 14:19:15 crashanddie: :D Mar 05 14:19:32 <92AAABJ08> libben: it searches the entire drive for media files, so it doesn't make much difference where you put them Mar 05 14:19:54 so i just place it in a new folder and it will scan it ? Mar 05 14:20:10 libben: right Mar 05 14:20:13 or do i need to hack any cfg and adding that folder? Mar 05 14:20:16 no Mar 05 14:20:18 ok Mar 05 14:20:20 good then Mar 05 14:20:23 just put the shitz in a folder Mar 05 14:20:27 device is scanned Mar 05 14:20:30 -> WIN Mar 05 14:20:37 libben will go \o/ all night Mar 05 14:20:57 libben: have you tried *creating* the folder? Mar 05 14:20:58 o_O seems like Extras repo doesn't work. Mar 05 14:21:11 /dists/fremantle/free was not found on this server. Mar 05 14:21:26 crashanddie: nope, i was stunned over that i couldent see any music folder, cause i remember the phone came with sample musics Mar 05 14:21:55 again my fault.. fixing ;) Mar 05 14:38:45 is it safe to upgrade with "apt-get upgrade"? Mar 05 14:39:25 God no... Mar 05 14:39:31 Not N900 anyway Mar 05 14:39:48 was for me Mar 05 14:39:53 to upgrade the system no, apps s Mar 05 14:39:58 worked for me Mar 05 14:40:09 RST38h, apt-get dist-upgrade kills it Mar 05 14:40:14 apt-get upgrade works Mar 05 14:40:27 to upgrade the system no, apps yes* Mar 05 14:40:48 ok.. will wait till I get to home with WiFi Mar 05 14:41:02 i like how i got hacked through freenode Mar 05 14:41:04 why? Mar 05 14:41:19 * thresh has successfully upgraded via usb cable Mar 05 14:41:20 went to my PC and found it downloading a .bat file Mar 05 14:42:15 Someone can confirm me that : Mar 05 14:42:17 Catalog name : Khertan Repository Mar 05 14:42:17 Web address : http://khertan.net/repository/ Mar 05 14:42:17 Distribution : Mar 05 14:42:18 Components : user Mar 05 14:42:23 is working ? Mar 05 14:42:24 thx Mar 05 14:42:39 Mohammad: still scary =) Mar 05 14:43:19 thresh: upgrade or dist-upgrade? Mar 05 14:43:38 d-u Mar 05 14:44:25 Khertan: testing now Mar 05 14:45:59 checking for el-updato's Mar 05 14:46:16 damn i'm so fucking bored Mar 05 14:46:18 Khertan: No errors :) Mar 05 14:46:21 you guys want to ask http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ to add a section for n900 repos? Mar 05 14:46:47 pupnik: PackRat! Mar 05 14:46:49 =) Mar 05 14:47:03 would help people find stuff Mar 05 14:47:23 Khertan, working here too Mar 05 14:47:26 pupnik: http://ageofikon.info/packrat/ (if it sitll works) Mar 05 14:47:32 Khertan: Yup, can see pypackager etc in your repo Mar 05 14:47:54 oh cool! ty RST38h Mar 05 14:48:17 pupnik: And notice that it also works in MicroB. Perfectly. Mar 05 14:49:05 RST38h: is there a syntax to search substrings? Mar 05 14:49:22 pupnik: naaah, just enter a possibly partial name of a package Mar 05 14:49:23 n00bmonkey: thx Mar 05 14:49:26 it searches descriptions too Mar 05 14:49:27 e.g. "*kobo*" Mar 05 14:49:33 pupnik: type "kobo" Mar 05 14:49:38 it will figure Mar 05 14:49:49 anyone here know if you can mock a call from some phone number to your phone number? Mar 05 14:49:51 no probs :) - can test a download if needed, but dont wanna screw up my py2deb lol - oh btw, need your help on that 1 lol Mar 05 14:49:51 hmm kobodeluxe and kobo returned nada Mar 05 14:50:01 pupnik: Looks like rm_you has not fixed the updates Mar 05 14:50:01 Milo-: fake call? Mar 05 14:50:11 n00bmonkey yes Mar 05 14:50:17 pupnik: Either email him and ask to fix, or ask him for the source code and maintain the trakcer yourself Mar 05 14:50:20 Milo-: no idea, but interesting idea :) Mar 05 14:50:20 to test certain system Mar 05 14:50:30 pupnik: I would maintain it but I have no proper host to install it on Mar 05 14:50:30 i'm assuming it should be possible though? Mar 05 14:50:44 qole have this own repository too ? Mar 05 14:50:54 n00bmonkey for example call forwarding system written in test driven development manner Mar 05 14:50:59 manner. Mar 05 14:51:06 Khertan: That script you gave me yesterday, not run it yet as i need to add my files and remove yours - changed the rest n got it rady to go :) Mar 05 14:51:22 will try tonight :D Mar 05 14:51:33 n00bmonkey: maybe i give you the wrong script Mar 05 14:52:09 lol - on my work pc at the moment, it looked like my normal build file, but was filled out for your pyGTKeditor Mar 05 14:52:15 Arctic Ocean seabed is leaking methane Mar 05 14:52:16 so assumed i just needed to change it all to match mine Mar 05 14:52:17 RST38h: do you have the maemo xchat in git somewhere? .. or maybe svn? Mar 05 14:52:34 Oh yes, I love those loopback natural conditions =) Mar 05 14:52:44 cehteh: No, but you can get sources from the Extras Mar 05 14:52:54 its just shrimps farting :) Mar 05 14:52:59 n00bmonkey: ok i ve paste in pastebin my script instead of your modified script Mar 05 14:53:13 RST38h: yes i did already .. but i would be more comfortable with a git Mar 05 14:53:22 n00bmonkey: can you send me again your script ? Mar 05 14:53:59 RST38h: going to add the customizeable titles sometime next, in this case it will stay default and one has to configure it when he wants to change anything Mar 05 14:54:01 ahhh can do but will have to later... it's on my home lappy still open... n900 access at work is hard lol! Mar 05 14:54:11 considering it push that upstream too then Mar 05 14:54:11 cehteh: Why? There are very few people working on it (well, myself and nobody else at the moment, although qwerty and mgedmin have prveiously done their parts) Mar 05 14:54:28 cehteh: Ok Mar 05 14:54:33 so, what about dedicated contact ring? Mar 05 14:54:49 cehteh: While you are at it, see if you can make the main view finger-scrollable Mar 05 14:54:54 RST38h: even for my single person stuff i feel better with git Mar 05 14:55:05 cehteh: Make changes, send me the patch Mar 05 14:55:13 caveman ;) Mar 05 14:55:16 RST38h: certainly not .. i aim for low hanging fruit and i am not gui programmer Mar 05 14:55:19 git would be nice, I suppose Mar 05 14:55:42 Gross overkill unless a lot of people would like to work on it Mar 05 14:55:47 i would like some hildonizing too .. but it would take me ages to do that, too much to read and learn Mar 05 14:55:56 RST38h, if the main view had kinetic scrolling how would one c&p? Mar 05 14:56:06 git is absolutely no overkill .. Mar 05 14:56:15 MohammadAG: right Mar 05 14:56:30 i opt for channel and user list finger scrollable Mar 05 14:56:48 n00bmonkey: send me an email at khertan@khertan/net :) Mar 05 14:57:00 user list is kinda useless on N900 Mar 05 14:57:02 MohammadAG, I like how xterm does that: toolbar button to toggle scrolling versus text selection Mar 05 14:57:11 channel list I have move to the bottom, no reason to scroll it there Mar 05 14:57:16 user list could be a popup with a scrollable hildon thingy Mar 05 14:57:37 the original use for the user lis was to see who is on the channel Mar 05 14:57:40 RST38h: when i work on anything which is even slightly more complicated than changing a few lines or has a even dim chance of me revisiting it someday later i usually git it first Mar 05 14:57:46 * mgedmin wishes somebody sat down and redesigned a Linux IRC client from scratch, because xchat is kinda ... eh Mar 05 14:57:48 so, popup is illogical there :) Mar 05 14:58:06 cehteh: I do not Mar 05 14:58:10 * RST38h is old fashioned Mar 05 14:58:13 mgedmin: yeah .. well .. irssi was started with that motivation Mar 05 14:58:31 cehteh: and what have we ended up with? another eleet irc client Mar 05 14:58:32 redesign for the 21st century, not the 19th! Mar 05 14:58:47 xchat isn't old Mar 05 14:58:47 cehteh: full of pointless cruft Mar 05 14:59:05 well .. if (no i dont do) would start an irc client it would be quite different Mar 05 14:59:07 cehteh: (yes, I am still using ircii) Mar 05 14:59:10 Khertan: Thank you very much will email you tonight - will pastebin your file and my file so you can see both :D Mar 05 14:59:33 pulling all stuff in and then dispatch it on more flexible rules instead just channels Mar 05 14:59:44 RST38h, is the inability to paste more than one line going to be fixed? Mar 05 14:59:59 MohammadAG: i hope not :) Mar 05 15:00:04 Mohammad: Dunno, but judging from the way xchat works, no Mar 05 15:00:12 it's my only problem with xchat atm (other than the notification banner but i killed it) Mar 05 15:00:24 Notification banner I will kill next time, sorry Mar 05 15:00:31 cehteh, and why's that Mar 05 15:00:31 heh i can coppy and paste multiple lines on my laptop in xchat Mar 05 15:00:41 Discussed it with cehteh who persuaded me "it would be ok", but he was obviously wrong on this one :) Mar 05 15:00:47 but well .. that leads to noobs flooding channels Mar 05 15:00:55 so better dont fix it, its a feature :) Mar 05 15:00:58 RST38h, a small pop down notification would've been better Mar 05 15:01:04 like the bt set on one Mar 05 15:01:18 Mohammad: All I can do is disable it Mar 05 15:01:24 lol cehteh Mar 05 15:01:37 so you're not the one who made the plugin? Mar 05 15:01:40 RST38h: you just need to explain people how to configure it .. there is a .xchat2/maemo_notify.conf Mar 05 15:01:43 Mohammad: cehteh did Mar 05 15:02:00 MohammadAG: yes i did .. in a simple pragmatic way Mar 05 15:02:04 is there some way autobuilder could debianize a package with a simple makefile? Mar 05 15:02:05 cehteh: I am not goin' to explain to every freaking tmo poster how to configure your plugin :) Mar 05 15:02:17 anyone who doesnt like the way it works can just use the source and extend it :) Mar 05 15:02:27 cehteh: Better disable this particular mode by default and let 'em figure it out :) Mar 05 15:02:37 waouw Mar 05 15:02:39 cehteh, you could add a line after it loads that there's a .donf file Mar 05 15:02:41 conf* Mar 05 15:02:46 RST38h: well yes .. i put some defines for defaults at the front ok? .. or do you change it in the source Mar 05 15:02:59 cehteh: Of course I will change the defines Mar 05 15:03:03 * RST38h is a gentleman Mar 05 15:03:16 RST38h: actually i can do that already for you ... :) Mar 05 15:03:38 cehteh: I would prefer if you changed the notification dialogs to use messgaing-style bubbles instead Mar 05 15:03:49 cehteh: then disabling them would be unnecessary Mar 05 15:03:55 RST38h: the first version was more meant as proof of concept and i intentionally left it a bit nagging to stirr interest Mar 05 15:04:22 cehteh, don't seem to have the conf file in .xchat2 Mar 05 15:04:30 RST38h: yeah but i dont know how and i am to lazy for it .. but anyone who likes can add that with a 'n' mode for notifications Mar 05 15:04:38 MohammadAG: you can create it Mar 05 15:04:46 cehteh: Ok, ok I will google for them and you add them Mar 05 15:05:10 NOTIFY_MODE +lbv-d Mar 05 15:05:32 led, banners, vibration on, dialogs off Mar 05 15:05:49 DIALOG_THROTTLE 2 1800 Mar 05 15:05:58 allow 2 dialogs in half an hours Mar 05 15:06:35 cehteh: Please, change them to notifications. That's all Mar 05 15:06:52 how do i run something as root in scratchbox? Mar 05 15:06:54 RST38h: i dont know how and i am too lazy .. and also i like it this way Mar 05 15:07:12 but i would like if someone else extends it using notifications Mar 05 15:07:31 sar3th: fakeroot is recommended Mar 05 15:07:55 then disabled it gets, by default of course Mar 05 15:07:57 cehteh: so i just need to run fakeroot make install? Mar 05 15:08:05 RST38h: thats acceptable Mar 05 15:08:16 sar3th: dunno, just trya Mar 05 15:10:25 * MohammadAG takes a look at the .c file and tries to change the notification type to a org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint one Mar 05 15:10:50 Weird, looks like the notification bubble API is not open Mar 05 15:10:55 Have to ask konttori about it Mar 05 15:11:45 Mohammad: What is really needed is the same type of bubble Messaging uses (little, jumps up, then goes away without requiring acknowledgment) Mar 05 15:13:33 RST38h, i have that Mar 05 15:13:42 it's already in xchat Mar 05 15:13:56 Mohammad: Where? Mar 05 15:14:10 enable tray balloon Mar 05 15:14:14 in preferences Mar 05 15:14:17 Mohammad: Ah! Mar 05 15:14:26 pops up, shows the message, goes away Mar 05 15:14:27 * RST38h finds something new every day =) Mar 05 15:14:54 it's why i disabled this plugin Mar 05 15:14:59 i get two notifications Mar 05 15:15:21 vibration gets handled by the 'audio playing' program Mar 05 15:16:10 Mohammad: Ok, cool, got it. The icon is broken though, will fix it for the next release Mar 05 15:16:16 check out the crazy amount of controls in n900 alsamixer Mar 05 15:17:23 Mohammad: I will fix the icon, enable it by default, and disable dialog notifications in the next release Mar 05 15:17:46 wonderful :) Mar 05 15:18:08 does anyone know whats up with meego on the n900? Mar 05 15:18:54 djcaston, it's entirely possible if nokia want to allow it Mar 05 15:19:03 RST38h: http://lumiera.org/maemo_notify.c Mar 05 15:19:19 ...and probably it'll be simple enough to do that there will at least be a community version. Mar 05 15:19:31 i was reading something a few days ago and i think it said that they would be testing it soon on the n900 Mar 05 15:19:47 RST38h: when is the release due? .. i dont know how fast i do the title stuff, but i would like to get that in Mar 05 15:19:53 oh they're enabling the meego repo Mar 05 15:20:23 good catch Mar 05 15:20:24 so the progs are gonna be availible but not the os Mar 05 15:20:25 RST38h, do you do schedueled releases? Mar 05 15:20:26 thought it's empty Mar 05 15:26:22 * n00bmonkey has alot of numpties calling him up today.... Mar 05 15:27:45 SpeedEvil: ping Mar 05 15:29:47 SpeedEvil: you found the GAIA register descriptionn somewhere? the TI ds seems missing that unimportant detail Mar 05 15:30:39 bbl Mar 05 15:32:16 * pupnik got one more customer for n900 Mar 05 15:32:24 * mgedmin900 too Mar 05 15:35:27 RST38bis: test Mar 05 15:36:07 test Mar 05 15:36:10 :P Mar 05 15:36:13 RST38bis: test Mar 05 15:36:37 works? Mar 05 15:36:43 seems to Mar 05 15:36:49 hehe .. i didnt tested it :P Mar 05 15:36:58 * n00bmonkey blinks Mar 05 15:37:27 (except compile test ...) Mar 05 15:38:10 cehteh: Oh I am testing the default functionality Mar 05 15:38:25 ah hehe :) .. well Mar 05 15:38:32 cehteh: It does look like our dialog notifications are not really needed, but the default stuff still requires some fixing Mar 05 15:38:47 * RST38h sets balloon alerts on by default Mar 05 15:38:53 btw the private notification is kindof noisy .. dunno if you want to turn it off too Mar 05 15:39:33 where are the balloon alerts from? Mar 05 15:39:36 * mgedmin900 demands finger scroll Mar 05 15:39:56 * n00bmonkey scrolls down mgedmin900's finger..... Mar 05 15:40:06 btw, was xchat finally promoted to extras Mar 05 15:40:18 ? Mar 05 15:40:25 yes Mar 05 15:40:35 * mgedmin900 got an email saying promotion unlocked Mar 05 15:40:39 yay Mar 05 15:40:48 and please shoot that guy who thumbs down everything without a "proper" bug reporting URL Mar 05 15:40:59 mgedmin: I promoted it just now Mar 05 15:41:15 * n00bmonkey pats RST38h on the back Mar 05 15:41:16 i agree Mar 05 15:41:32 mgedmin: If you feel like wasting an hour or two, check why enabling spellcheck crashes xchat config dialog Mar 05 15:41:37 haha .. this QA is really no fun Mar 05 15:41:57 mgedmin: (i.e. you enable it at compile time, xchat works afterwards, but OKing config dialog crashes it) Mar 05 15:42:01 * mgedmin900 will try to fit this in some time in the next 5 years :( Mar 05 15:42:27 RST38h: see here for more thumbs downing :( - http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/healthcheck/0.5.2-3/ Mar 05 15:42:36 mgedmin: Well, it is not going to be a project of your lifetime, more like tracing a few functions, possibly with gdb Mar 05 15:42:52 and quite a rude tester :( - ok, i want the politest either... lol but was rather miffed Mar 05 15:42:53 hi, everyone. how to make a binary file executable in maemo? Mar 05 15:43:03 seems like chmod+ ..? Mar 05 15:43:15 chmod +x file Mar 05 15:43:19 not that I care that much, but are they possibly going to make skxpe support the front cam anytime in the soonish? or more like never Mar 05 15:43:24 yeah Mar 05 15:43:25 MyDocs is noexec iirc Mar 05 15:43:27 n00b: Your .deb has a Maintainer field, your changes file has your email address. So, this whole XSBC-Maemo-shit thing is kinda nice-tohave but pointless Mar 05 15:43:28 Guest80146: move it to a ext3 partition, the fat32 partition is mounted as noexec Mar 05 15:43:50 RST38h: twas a bug with py2deb - khertan is helping me fix it :( Mar 05 15:44:02 but i'd made the effot to post a link in the package details :( Mar 05 15:44:03 mgedmin: I even found where it crashes: as you OK settings, it tries attaching speel checker to the input widget - and dies Mar 05 15:49:45 I want BoWs to die Mar 05 15:49:59 every single one of them Mar 05 15:50:12 alright, and anybody knows how to install opencv libary and header files to n900? Mar 05 15:50:13 BoW's? Mar 05 15:50:20 Bachelor of Wikipedia Mar 05 15:50:29 BoWs ? Mar 05 15:50:30 people who read two webpages and become experst Mar 05 15:50:33 ah arf ... Mar 05 15:50:36 noidea what you are on about... but kill one for me........ Mar 05 15:50:41 ahhhhhh gotcha Mar 05 15:50:45 s/rst/rts/ Mar 05 15:50:45 crashanddie meant: people who read two webpages and become experts Mar 05 15:50:47 bit like googlnicians? Mar 05 15:50:49 ;) Mar 05 15:51:19 wiki the things where i never help ... Just because the syntax is painfull ! Mar 05 15:51:28 People saying "Non-profits almost always make a profit" makes me cry Mar 05 15:51:55 crashanddie: why ? Mar 05 15:51:59 * n00bmonkey works for the NHS, don't start me on non profit lol Mar 05 15:52:14 profit can be something else than money Mar 05 15:52:22 No, non-profits have a revenue, and have a taxation aim that makes them strive towards having a revenue which is roughly the same as the operating costs Mar 05 15:52:23 experiences for example Mar 05 15:52:43 ok didn't understand :) Mar 05 15:53:12 Khertan: profits == profits, revenue == chiffre d'affaire Mar 05 15:53:18 lol Mar 05 15:53:19 euh, profits == benefice Mar 05 15:53:21 brb smoke break Mar 05 15:53:31 yep Mar 05 15:54:02 but this was the previous "means" of your previous sentence that i didn't understand well Mar 05 15:54:14 sense Mar 05 15:54:29 no i can clearly understand what it s make you furious Mar 05 15:54:42 s/no/now Mar 05 15:54:54 yep ... sense the word i was looking for Mar 05 15:55:21 Khertan: still giving interviews about maemo? Mar 05 15:59:13 it's interesting to read that meego will officially support the n900 so we can upgrade when it's ready Mar 05 15:59:13 RST38x: hello sweetie Mar 05 15:59:38 waaaah no finger scroll in xchat Mar 05 15:59:47 and no kinetic scroll in pdf viewer Mar 05 15:59:59 mgedmin: I am afraid this will take a bit longer to add than tracing that spellcheck crash :) Mar 05 16:00:16 mgedmin: XChat uses custom GTK+ widget for the main view, good luck with that ;) Mar 05 16:00:45 is there a petition somewhere to make pressure on nokia to make them change the name meego to keep maemo instead or something else? let's start a petition Mar 05 16:01:04 uhsf: source for the n900/meego support?? Mar 05 16:01:16 uhsf: petition would be useless Mar 05 16:01:27 doesn't it use a GtkScrollWindow or whatever it's called? Mar 05 16:01:35 mgedmin: Not sure, check Mar 05 16:01:48 Corsac: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/04/meego-repository-going-public-later-this-month-coming-to-nokia/ Mar 05 16:01:52 mgedmin: But again, be aware that you may end up sinking lots of time Mar 05 16:02:23 mgedmin: Btw, you asked about something along the lines of Bujold? Mar 05 16:02:30 Corsac: http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/towards-day-one Mar 05 16:02:52 thanjs Mar 05 16:02:57 s/j/k/ Mar 05 16:02:57 Corsac meant: thanks Mar 05 16:03:12 RST38h: seems we seen same type of crash on pref save some 3 months ago? Mar 05 16:03:45 wat did just happen? Mar 05 16:03:57 I pressed ctrl-i in xchat Mar 05 16:04:04 expecting tab completion Mar 05 16:04:25 got a new window instead Mar 05 16:04:46 RST38h, I have a couple of tech books to read and review now Mar 05 16:05:01 mgedmin: Shift+Space or Ctrl+Space Mar 05 16:05:08 mgedmin: will autocomplete Mar 05 16:05:24 mgedmin: ok, you are not getting that book ref then :) Mar 05 16:05:44 ooh Mar 05 16:05:48 DocScrut: Correct. Faheem compiled XChat with spellcheck enabled. It crashed. Mar 05 16:06:13 I must have an old version Mar 05 16:06:35 DocScrut: When I started looking into the issue, I found that spellcheck was the cause and disabled it. Did not have enough time to investigate deeper. But you can always do so yourself at the cost of about 2 hours of time. Once you fix it, send me the patch, etc Mar 05 16:06:49 aah regression then Mar 05 16:06:50 DocScrut: Of course, it will be properly attributed in changes Mar 05 16:07:20 DocScrut: It *is* possible that Maemo5 Gtk+ input widget is the problem. Mar 05 16:07:39 Does not let attach callbacks, the way spellchecker would like to attach Mar 05 16:08:27 * n00bmonkey is afk Mar 05 16:09:38 any maemo5 apps have spell checking? Mar 05 16:11:22 no idea, why? Mar 05 16:11:52 just thinking about that bug Mar 05 16:13:27 mgedmin: Oh, it is a very specific bug, I do not think other apps apply here Mar 05 16:13:33 Lemme find the call that crashes... Mar 05 16:14:24 actually it may be possible to enable ispeel (I disabled libsexy guilty of the above crash) Mar 05 16:14:45 is there a way to change the behaviour/parameters of the kinetic scrolling? E.g., in Photos with ~700 photos the kinetic scrolling takes way too long to stop scrolling. Mar 05 16:14:58 #ifdef USE_LIBSEXY Mar 05 16:14:58 sexy_spell_entry_set_checked ((SexySpellEntry *)gui->input_box, Mar 05 16:14:58 prefs.gui_input_spell); Mar 05 16:14:58 #endif Mar 05 16:15:04 mgedmin: here you have it Mar 05 16:17:05 is maemo extras down? Mar 05 16:17:10 * lcuk is trying to grab rootsh Mar 05 16:20:44 * n00bmonkey thinks it is working Mar 05 16:21:22 * n00bmonkey tries again, yup..... :| Mar 05 16:22:34 GeneralAntilles: please add "It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument." Mar 05 16:22:42 to the topic Mar 05 16:22:43 lol Mar 05 16:23:56 RST38h: seem to remember I seen spellcheck/autocompletion working when xchat had the savepref-crash Mar 05 16:24:33 actually I'm almost sure Mar 05 16:25:04 though I disabled it systemwide after a few days of useless annoyance Mar 05 16:25:07 DocScrut: Well there are two choices, ispeel and libsexy Mar 05 16:25:17 DocScrut: Ah, I know what you mean Mar 05 16:25:35 DocScrut: it is not spellcheck, it is autocompletion, and it is done at the HIM level. Very annoying too Mar 05 16:26:04 ahh ok, my error Mar 05 16:27:23 * DocScrutinizer51 pulled out the stylus first time for maybe a month. cold fingers :-/ Mar 05 16:27:53 xchat scrollarrows are really a PITA Mar 05 16:28:39 haha Mar 05 16:28:56 forget it .. just doesnt work (okish) Mar 05 16:29:28 the zoom buttons scroll throgh channels .. unfortunally it doesnt scroll the list with it Mar 05 16:30:07 cool Mar 05 16:30:12 * mgedmin900 didn't know Mar 05 16:30:30 seems someone mapped shift-volrocker to scrolling. even more fingerbreaking fun Mar 05 16:30:58 eeh Mar 05 16:31:02 trying Mar 05 16:31:08 cehteh: Scrolling main view with zoom buttons should be easy to do Mar 05 16:31:16 Anyone else wants me to do this? Mar 05 16:31:29 you made my xchat crash! Mar 05 16:31:36 RST38h: we talking about channel switcher Mar 05 16:31:40 sig11 from bashing shift-vol keys Mar 05 16:31:58 cehteh: Yes, but switching channels is easy with your fingers, just touch a tab at the bottom Mar 05 16:32:09 mgedmin: mine too Mar 05 16:32:13 So, those zoom buttons can be well assigned to the main view scroll Mar 05 16:32:29 RST38h: i have way more channels open than fit on the screen Mar 05 16:32:34 mgedmin: could you do me a bit of favor? Mar 05 16:32:43 cehteh: Open two xchats :) Mar 05 16:32:47 not right now, sorry Mar 05 16:32:49 pff Mar 05 16:32:53 gotta go drive across town Mar 05 16:33:01 cehteh: Ok, could you do me a little favor? Mar 05 16:33:15 hmmm Mar 05 16:33:21 duh, haha! No, shift-leftrocker kills xchat here (older version) Mar 05 16:33:21 no :) ... well i can spend you a beer when you do it yourself :P Mar 05 16:33:32 * RST38h sighs Mar 05 16:33:33 how do I go about switching my N900 from UK to world so I can get the latest firmware? Mar 05 16:33:37 * cehteh busy Mar 05 16:33:40 No xchat fixes for either of you then, punks =) Mar 05 16:33:46 haha Mar 05 16:33:53 well what? .. Mar 05 16:33:56 only on 2.2009.51 atm :\ Mar 05 16:33:56 * RST38h wanted someone to summarize the above discussion in a few lines and email it to him Mar 05 16:34:03 * RST38h has to go do some chores Mar 05 16:34:20 (but still wants to know what to fix in the next xchat release) Mar 05 16:34:25 heh Mar 05 16:34:34 irclogs are online Mar 05 16:34:52 you may notice that i drop out of the discussuin here for some 15-30 minutes .. thats when i am really dont look and working .. its not that i grab popcorn and watch the channel :P Mar 05 16:34:55 hmm, considering how seldom I use them to switch channels... maybe defaulting to scrolling is a better decision actually Mar 05 16:34:55 * mgedmin900 missed half of the discussion thanks to xchat crashes anyway Mar 05 16:35:12 Doc++ Mar 05 16:35:38 DocScrutinizer: having the channel switcher hildonized would be great .. but i can live without it Mar 05 16:35:51 RST38h, I think I owe you a beer for all the xchat fixing Mar 05 16:36:22 RST38h: i try to provide the title fix (eh improvement) .. but depends on how fast i am and how slow you are, possibly next within the next days Mar 05 16:36:31 ok Mar 05 16:37:11 next week i am probably rather busy and then on the Chemnitzer Linux Tage on weekend Mar 05 16:37:46 so prolly leaves only tomorrow or sunday mhm, sounds unlikely i make it in the next 1-2 weeks Mar 05 16:39:36 cehteh: I still got space left over for another 4,,5 chan, so I don't care about hildonizing chanswitcher Mar 05 16:40:57 * cehteh uses the laptop mostly anyways .. n900 only when chatting from the toilet :P Mar 05 16:41:38 thanks for sharing =) Mar 05 16:41:57 BTW, this bring up a question of why you needed that notification plugin to begin with... Mar 05 16:42:30 breakpoint demo party in bingen in april 2-5 http://breakpoint.untergrund.net/ Mar 05 16:42:37 toilet seat twitter integration? Mar 05 16:43:23 ok .. using it when not at the laptop .. there are other cases too :) Mar 05 16:43:45 RST38h: rotfl Mar 05 16:43:53 i dont use twitter or any other IM, only irc .. so thats the way to reach me Mar 05 16:44:04 ++ Mar 05 16:44:24 pupnik: thats the last breakpoint or? Mar 05 16:44:29 yes Mar 05 16:44:33 me was never there Mar 05 16:44:38 same Mar 05 16:45:07 * DocScrutinizer51 appreciates IRC has no video option :-P Mar 05 16:45:47 * cehteh too :) Mar 05 16:46:18 mhm prolly i should tape the frontcam .. you never know :) Mar 05 16:47:01 though actually I'd appreciate a HW(!)fcoupled privacy light for frontcam even more Mar 05 16:47:25 cehteh: not to scare you with my thoughts Mar 05 16:48:10 cehteh: hehe same thought same time Mar 05 16:48:27 hw-coupled has some problems .. how do you verify that it is *really* hw coupled? Mar 05 16:49:07 even as electronics engineer you wont have an easy job to verify that without doubt Mar 05 16:49:51 well, by driving it (the cam) via assembler code and watch the light go on/of - first aproximation Mar 05 16:49:53 Anyone knows what NET USB is? Mar 05 16:50:07 but who knows .. maybe all shelf tape is translucent to some hidden frequency band in the visible spectrum which the frontcam pics up best Mar 05 16:50:14 that's for sure not without any doubt Mar 05 16:50:22 RST38h: usb over ethernet iirc Mar 05 16:50:30 How do I enable it in Windoze? Mar 05 16:50:35 (or Linsux) Mar 05 16:50:41 dunno .. Mar 05 16:50:49 but good enough to proove if Nokia completely cheeted Mar 05 16:51:27 probably I'l retrofit such lED myself Mar 05 16:51:37 LED Mar 05 16:51:51 * cehteh thinks tape is simpler Mar 05 16:52:04 Fuck, why haven't they simply implemented an FTP server? :((( Mar 05 16:52:11 * n00bmonkey thinks about heading home........ Mar 05 16:52:22 and well .. the frontcam is so worse .. you cant really recognize anything Mar 05 16:52:36 dunno, front cam is ok, but only in good lighting Mar 05 16:52:41 RST38h: or samba Mar 05 16:52:54 got a bag of wired SMT LED at home, will check what can be done when I rip the thing tonight :-P Mar 05 16:53:09 yep Mar 05 16:53:13 rst38h:.easy to use in ubuntu, anyway. linux doesn't say much Mar 05 16:53:23 jo: how? how??? Mar 05 16:53:43 .. so now i go to the kitchen an make a tea .. and not to toilet .. just to tell, you wont notice otherwise :P Mar 05 16:53:48 rst...:.there are guides. Mar 05 16:53:53 thats where i use the n900 too :P Mar 05 16:55:23 ok, thank you. Mar 05 16:58:07 yeah irc is the better microtwitter Mar 05 16:58:29 * cehteh just brewed tea now Mar 05 16:58:38 RST38h: exidy sorceror emulator http://www.liaquay.co.uk/sorcerer/index.html time for a N900 port :P Mar 05 16:59:52 is it possible to change the N900's region code? Mar 05 17:00:49 Heya maemo Mar 05 17:01:56 hooray!!! checked schematics thinking bou dualusing green-charging-led-driver transistor -- when I opened taskswitcher to jump back here (xchat) it froze for 4 minutes Mar 05 17:02:12 swappidiswappidiswapp Mar 05 17:02:45 how do I get tab on N900? Mar 05 17:02:46 dregin: you can change language, time zone, date format Mar 05 17:02:53 even... Mar 05 17:03:02 ctrl+i jo-erlend Mar 05 17:03:04 ahh no ping needed Mar 05 17:03:15 pupnik: UK region haven't been given the latest firmware. I want to change my region so I can get it :) Mar 05 17:03:33 I remember using NSS to do it with symbian phones - I was hoping there was something similar for maemo. Mar 05 17:03:51 so let's o same fun again :-D Mar 05 17:03:53 pr1.2 is out?? Mar 05 17:03:54 pupnik: sure? Mar 05 17:04:24 works hre in term Mar 05 17:04:55 V1303 charging LED driver (red) Mar 05 17:05:03 perfect candidate Mar 05 17:06:23 resistor to frontcam VDD - done Mar 05 17:06:41 maybe a diode too Mar 05 17:07:42 Rst38h: around? Will you make it to 2nd ru-maemo party?) Mar 05 17:11:03 wazd: When? Mar 05 17:11:17 pupnik: 1.2 out? where? when? =) Mar 05 17:11:23 * RST38h promptly salivates Mar 05 17:13:32 18:03 < dregin> pupnik: UK region haven't been given the latest firmware. Mar 05 17:13:58 hard to believe Mar 05 17:14:10 Rst38h: well, march 27 I guess Mar 05 17:14:26 wazd: right after FRUHT? Mar 05 17:14:31 Rst38h: that FRUCT stuff Mar 05 17:14:36 Rst38h: yep Mar 05 17:14:41 wazd: Of course. BTW, ab is gonna be there too Mar 05 17:15:09 rst38h: cool, Dik is comming :) Mar 05 17:15:21 Microsoft phone: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/03/03-04-10pinkturtle.jpg Mar 05 17:15:31 Rst38h: Godzilla will also be there :D Mar 05 17:15:50 No, really... They made it even worse than the "Fresh Feces" Zune variety Mar 05 17:16:05 wazd_e63, where you reading the release from Mar 05 17:16:15 wazd: Definitely need Eldar Murtazin to complete the picture Mar 05 17:16:44 rst38h: he's too affraid of me :) Mar 05 17:16:53 wazd: But, lacking that, we can teach Godzilla to switch into R&D mode, maybe he can brick his device faster with that Mar 05 17:16:57 Lcuk: release of what? :) Mar 05 17:17:10 hehe Mar 05 17:17:24 tmo is down? Mar 05 17:17:40 ok, I am out, chores. Mar 05 17:17:42 moo, ab Mar 05 17:17:59 Ab: heya Mar 05 17:18:01 me out too Mar 05 17:18:03 the party Mar 05 17:18:26 Lcuk: well, local forums n stuff Mar 05 17:18:40 Lcuk: it's not oficcial Mar 05 17:19:38 ahh Mar 05 17:19:53 RST38h: that looks like a fisher-price freerunner :) Mar 05 17:20:17 wazd_e63, this looks bare without any russians http://pininthemap.com/maemo Mar 05 17:26:51 hai, how to find the file directory in device? Mar 05 17:28:05 the file manager? Mar 05 17:28:15 or maybe xterm? Mar 05 17:28:28 in x term Mar 05 17:28:58 man find Mar 05 17:29:27 . Mar 05 17:31:45 just another question, how can i port certain library and install it on the device? Mar 05 17:33:40 i want to use opencv on the device, n900, but got no idea how to install it on the device Mar 05 17:34:28 * n00bmonk3y waves at everyone :D Mar 05 17:39:08 * muriani waves bacl Mar 05 17:39:12 *back Mar 05 17:39:42 anyone here have experience running glorious Maemo on the beagleboard? Mar 05 17:40:01 I've been following the omappedia wiki, with general success until I get to http://omappedia.org/wiki/Maemo_Getting_Started#Patching_of_configuration_files Mar 05 17:41:03 anybody knows if there is a way to restart the phone/connectivity demon if there is something of the sort? Mar 05 17:41:39 hm, never mind, I think that did it. Mar 05 17:41:48 i sometimes get disconnected and the phone doesn't notice this Mar 05 17:41:55 and i have to reboot to connect again Mar 05 17:47:15 * n00bmonk3y blinks Mar 05 17:48:48 * muriani blonks Mar 05 17:52:13 blonking hell Mar 05 17:52:56 anyone here with a new N900 fancy testing an extras devel app? want to test something :) Mar 05 17:53:28 n00bmonk3y: n900fly? ;) Mar 05 17:53:56 naaa, the healthcheck :) - got it to read the N900 board revision number, want to see if we all have the same hardware model, or if they have started new revisions :D Mar 05 17:54:09 but i do like fly :D Mar 05 17:54:29 my revision is 2101 (RX-51 main) Mar 05 17:56:10 Retail should all be the same. Mar 05 17:56:53 Some protos are different. Mar 05 17:56:56 Is generating tarballs disabled on gitorious.org or what? Mar 05 17:56:58 yeah thought so, but worth double checking :D Mar 05 17:58:50 GeneralAntilles: like swaping blue and red on indicator LED? ;-D Mar 05 17:59:20 Do they? Mar 05 17:59:33 * GeneralAntilles 's HW revision is 2001. Mar 05 17:59:34 driver source says the did Mar 05 18:01:24 might have been green, not blue. Would match better with a red/green blind EE XP Mar 05 18:05:39 Khertan : sent you the email, thanks in advance for any help when you get some time :D - very much appreciated Mar 05 18:06:49 ohai thar Mar 05 18:07:32 GeneralAntilles: maybe it's heritage from N810 even Mar 05 18:08:12 GeneralAntilles: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/i2c/chips/lp5521.c 31 #ifdef LED_CONNECTED_WRONG Mar 05 18:08:32 w000ps Mar 05 18:10:07 #maemo Mar 05 18:10:08 #maemo Mar 05 18:10:08 #maemo Mar 05 18:10:08 #maemo Mar 05 18:10:08 #maemo Mar 05 18:10:08 #maemo Mar 05 18:10:08 #maemo Mar 05 18:10:08 #maemo Mar 05 18:10:08 #maemo Mar 05 18:10:08 #maemo Mar 05 18:10:18 WAAAAHG Mar 05 18:10:20 #maemo Mar 05 18:10:20 #maemo Mar 05 18:10:20 #maemo Mar 05 18:10:20 #maemo Mar 05 18:10:20 #maemo Mar 05 18:10:20 #maemo Mar 05 18:10:20 #maemo Mar 05 18:10:21 #maemo Mar 05 18:10:21 #maemo Mar 05 18:10:21 #maemo Mar 05 18:11:05 lol @ Spam on toast Mar 05 18:11:19 idiot script kiddies never run short on time to try nonsense Mar 05 18:11:45 and use a consistent bannable user id Mar 05 18:11:57 LOL on that Mar 05 18:13:55 could be a scriptoldfartie Mar 05 18:14:39 bunch of bored old men sitting around a retirement home Mar 05 18:15:07 * DocScrutinizer cackles in his wheelchair Mar 05 18:17:13 lorn, it's a bunch of retired trolls ;-P Mar 05 18:18:00 could be Mar 05 18:18:09 btw. Are there some QA guidelines for stuff in extras-devel? Or is extras-devel seriously devel and is allowed to contain apps that contain lots of bugs? Mar 05 18:19:03 because I wrote something (Alarmed), it's in extras-devel now, but it crashes often (reproducably) and has some other bugs, which are all due to problems in pyside or pymaemo, or Qt in PR1.1. Mar 05 18:19:20 It's usable and does what it's supposed to (pretty much) but it crashes often. Mar 05 18:19:26 It shouldn't do any damage to things, though. Mar 05 18:20:15 Shapeshifter: seems you perfectly fit in there, among the other buggy crap Mar 05 18:20:29 but its crashes may alarm people? Mar 05 18:21:20 N900evil: that's why it's called alarmed Mar 05 18:21:35 :D Mar 05 18:22:01 N900evil: you got register specs for gaia somewhere? Mar 05 18:22:28 there are links to the ds from the hw page Mar 05 18:22:32 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=557134#post557134 hooray. Happy crashing everyone :) Mar 05 18:23:00 both sheets I dl'd are without register specs for all I've seen Mar 05 18:23:06 twl4030 has no ds, but there is a seemingly identgicaal par with Mar 05 18:23:10 ah Mar 05 18:23:42 not read in detail. I think it was around 222 pages Mar 05 18:23:55 from "a short scan shows the I2C adresses match" I conclude somebody seen those reg specs Mar 05 18:24:32 Shapeshifter: looks interesting Mar 05 18:25:05 Shapeshifter, preferably apps in extras-devel shouldn't have bugs that brick your N900 Mar 05 18:25:13 mgedmin: it wont Mar 05 18:25:17 but regular crashes are not a blocker, I think Mar 05 18:25:19 mgedmin: that's just a scary warning Mar 05 18:25:27 best mention that in the description Mar 05 18:25:32 mgedmin: sure did. Mar 05 18:25:36 EXPERIMENTAL EARLY VERSION MIGHT CRASH or something like that Mar 05 18:26:15 mgedmin: WILL CRASH FOR SURE Mar 05 18:26:52 well, if it crashes right on startup, what's the point of uploading? Mar 05 18:27:05 if it crashes when the user does X, then "MIGHT" is correct, because the user might not do X ;) Mar 05 18:27:14 hi, is there a way to analyze/log n900's sip client? I've got a strange issue and would be interested in the sip communication Mar 05 18:27:15 mgedmin: no it doesn't crash on startup. It works fine. It works allright. But if you do one thing 3 times, it will crash Mar 05 18:27:28 call it an easter egg ;) Mar 05 18:27:29 DocScrutinizer, I looked at ds and kernel defines Mar 05 18:27:30 mgedmin: well that's right ;) Mar 05 18:27:59 aah right, kernel defines Mar 05 18:28:35 or i2c /sys I forget Mar 05 18:29:03 Shapeshifter: looks nice, a feature request: sending scheduled sms/emails Mar 05 18:29:07 N900evil: I just wonder how to enable the VBUS chargepump Mar 05 18:29:24 pillar: will add it to list. can look into it. Mar 05 18:29:46 Shapeshifter: cool, thanks - looks really nice Mar 05 18:30:25 * mgedmin ponders sending RST38h that summary he requested, then realizes he doesn't have RST38h's email address Mar 05 18:31:11 * n00bmonk3y has gone out - w000p - back laters Mar 05 18:37:28 Does someone get what "pdu_array" is in this python code example for sending sms? http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/DBus/DBus_in_Freemantle Mar 05 18:37:35 (first code block) Mar 05 18:38:12 I don't really get where the message is... must be pdu_array. But what should be in that "array". Python doesn't even have "arrays" Mar 05 18:44:31 Seriously? Freemantle? Mar 05 18:44:34 Somebody should kick their asses. Mar 05 18:46:23 :-P Mar 05 18:49:00 (cur) (last) 2750527505 13:52, 27 January 2010 dneary (Talk | contribs) (2,761 bytes) (Moved from developer guide) Mar 05 18:49:03 hmmm Mar 05 18:49:28 GeneralAntilles: when they made that N900 advdertisement with the interview room, were you the guy who went apeshit and turned into a robot: :) Mar 05 18:50:07 i thought that captured us so well :) Mar 05 18:50:19 portal 2 on its way Mar 05 18:50:22 :D:D:D Mar 05 18:50:46 hi Mar 05 18:50:55 i'm installing maemo scratchbox Mar 05 18:51:08 i'm trying to run it and it's telling me to add user to group sbox Mar 05 18:51:48 Freemantle (Southampton), or Brian Freemantle (1936) britischer Autor Mar 05 18:51:51 so i ran usermod -aG sbox user Mar 05 18:52:00 but then groups doesnt show sbox Mar 05 18:53:05 vs Fremantle, Australien Mar 05 18:54:18 how about opening the group file directly zzzoid Mar 05 18:54:21 hi, guys the update tablet firmware instructions for linux are not really clear do i have the device off? open a term su root but still use sudo? https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 05 18:55:04 unit is off, plug in, turn on Mar 05 18:55:32 flasher is run as root Mar 05 18:55:51 got it thanks pupnik Mar 05 18:56:39 iirc even start flasher then plug in powered down device - should start automatically by plugin event Mar 05 18:56:58 oh hmm Mar 05 18:57:29 iirc!! Mar 05 18:57:45 so power device down > plug usb cable in > start flasher > turn on device Mar 05 18:58:06 nope swap plug with start-flasher Mar 05 18:58:45 if that doesn't work, try it your way :-D Mar 05 19:00:06 holding "U" while plugging in might help as well Mar 05 19:00:20 DocScrutinizer: well it started flashing so Mar 05 19:00:31 how? Mar 05 19:00:52 DocScrutinizer: powered device down > started flasher > pluged in cable Mar 05 19:01:01 coool Mar 05 19:01:05 :) Mar 05 19:01:18 DocScrutinizer: hope this fixes my fm tx issue :) Mar 05 19:01:27 i go this firmware image RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8.002_PR_002 Mar 05 19:01:27 i'm trying to install the sdk and i'm getting errors Mar 05 19:01:31 hope so as well Mar 05 19:01:33 ll Mar 05 19:01:43 DocScrutinizer: RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin Mar 05 19:01:46 Scratchbox command 'sb-conf setup' returned error 0. Mar 05 19:02:41 hey guys, anybody know howto create a custom keyboard shorcut ? Mar 05 19:06:17 can anyone here help with the installation of scratchbox? Mar 05 19:12:43 what is OS 2009 version vs PR 1.1.1 versions ? Mar 05 19:13:19 OS2009 isn't a thing Mar 05 19:13:27 It's Maemo 5 Mar 05 19:14:00 ponyofdeath, the 2009 updates were prior to 1.1.1 Mar 05 19:14:21 The version string in they use is release#.year.week#.build# Mar 05 19:15:05 So, 3.2010.2-8 is release 3, 8th build from week 2 of 2010. Mar 05 19:15:20 zomg Mar 05 19:15:27 there's a new app in Ovi store Mar 05 19:15:31 ?? Mar 05 19:15:43 http://store.ovi.com/content/27634?clickSource=browse&contentArea=applications Mar 05 19:15:56 No way Mar 05 19:16:00 * GeneralAntilles ponders lunch Mar 05 19:16:03 looks cool actually... Mar 05 19:16:10 They finally added another app to it? Mar 05 19:16:13 So now there's two? Mar 05 19:16:18 no Mar 05 19:16:19 its one app Mar 05 19:16:25 lol the screenshot is totally S60 Mar 05 19:16:26 and one DRM'd podcast you can't use Mar 05 19:16:26 :P Mar 05 19:16:33 I mean in the entire store Mar 05 19:16:44 yeah I'm talking about the store Mar 05 19:16:55 one app, one DRM'd audio file that the N900 can't play :D Mar 05 19:17:05 What the hell kind of use is a 3-star rating system? Mar 05 19:17:07 ah Mar 05 19:17:07 nice Mar 05 19:17:10 Ovi Store people are all idiots. Mar 05 19:17:40 those ratings are all in weird languages :( Mar 05 19:17:55 How the hell can they botch up a mobile app store thing that badly Mar 05 19:18:14 I have the feeling they're TRYING to screw it up Mar 05 19:18:17 ;) Mar 05 19:18:27 Lumpio-, because it's Nokia. Mar 05 19:18:40 hmm Mar 05 19:18:41 ah Mar 05 19:18:42 I need new earphones Mar 05 19:18:46 They make decent hardware though Mar 05 19:19:28 As far as I can tell, half the company is incompetent and the other half doesn't care. Mar 05 19:19:39 The 1% that aren't either just get constantly overruled by the rest. Mar 05 19:29:14 29 hearts for the Maemo Freaks article on MeeGo? Mar 05 19:29:15 Weird Mar 05 19:29:26 standards are decaying... Mar 05 19:33:52 General: Bloggers, sir Mar 05 19:34:20 General: Very good illustration of the process: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_m0O2XlVi3Mc/S4waN3nlGII/AAAAAAAACEY/nN4mBFwMEQ0/s640/blogger.jpg Mar 05 19:35:27 RST38h, what a bizarre metaphor. Mar 05 19:36:10 General: Ah, just think of it and it will become more and more evident Mar 05 19:39:22 RST38h, the old woman must be Peter, then? Mar 05 19:40:30 General: See, you are getting it =) Mar 05 19:41:06 ooh Mar 05 19:41:16 source for some icd2 modules Mar 05 19:41:29 maemo.gitorious.org is full of surprises Mar 05 19:43:39 what is icd2 for? Mar 05 19:43:47 the internet connectivy daemon Mar 05 19:43:53 acha Mar 05 19:44:44 "Old woman!" 'Man.' "What?" 'Im not a woman' Mar 05 19:48:07 anyone ever used a pair of soundmagic PL50s? Mar 05 19:49:28 javispedro: like nm? Mar 05 19:49:46 zash: yes, like nm, or connman. used in maemo. Mar 05 19:50:00 closed source. Mar 05 20:35:09 hmm, that new tinymail looks interesting, but whats the chance of it showing up on diablo? Mar 05 20:35:17 Slim to none? Mar 05 20:35:24 Unless somebody from the community gets to hacking. Mar 05 20:38:11 the CSSU is actually going forward quite nicely Mar 05 20:38:43 sucks that maemo is not compitable with later OSses Mar 05 20:39:29 how do I know my telephone number on the N900? Mar 05 20:39:34 glad to hear that Stskeeps Mar 05 20:39:49 Hoxzer: maemo is linux, compatible with lots of other OSes, just not on the binary level - no one is Mar 05 20:40:51 ptl, call your other phone? Mar 05 20:41:03 or call a friend who's sitting next to you Mar 05 20:41:25 * mgedmin wonders if the phone's own number is stored in the SIM card or not Mar 05 20:41:39 ptl: well, surely diablo has older libaries when compared to the maemo. So it's not source compitable Mar 05 20:41:40 I don't think I've ever seen a cellphone that would know its own number Mar 05 20:41:50 some have a menu item that lets you tell it its number Mar 05 20:42:05 mgedmin: from the N900 menus Mar 05 20:42:15 mgedmin: my two previous phones did that Mar 05 20:42:20 cool Mar 05 20:42:31 Symbian S90 and Windows Mobile Mar 05 20:42:36 Maemo must do it too. Mar 05 20:44:19 lol, the feature exists on lots of phones Mar 05 20:44:40 even my first one, nokia 3510i Mar 05 20:45:57 my 6600 slide doesn't have it Mar 05 20:46:00 think you can get it from dbus or smth from com.nokia.Phone Mar 05 20:46:01 or I don't know where to look Mar 05 20:46:10 but your sim card might not have it set afaik Mar 05 20:47:23 you really should learn it anyway. ;) Mar 05 20:48:04 mgedmin: my se k750i had it Mar 05 20:49:24 moo all Mar 05 20:55:07 does someone knows about the charger's quality? Mar 05 20:55:16 mine seems to start failing Mar 05 20:55:31 and i have had my device 2 weeks Mar 05 20:56:20 it works, but you need to have it excactly in a special way Mar 05 20:57:34 bye Mar 05 20:58:58 how do I know my telephone number on the N900? Mar 05 20:59:02 FIQ, sounds more like you're USB port is coming lose than the charger's failure. Mar 05 20:59:07 hi there! Mar 05 20:59:11 call someone then store it in my info Mar 05 20:59:23 er, wut? Mar 05 21:00:02 FIQ: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37107 Mar 05 21:01:00 FIQ, in short, http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X1342&site=tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftabulacrypticum.files.wordpress.com%2F2009%2F12%2Fbroke_2.jpg Mar 05 21:02:11 i've found, that it is libqt4-maemo5-* (Qt-4.6.2) packages available in repos. But some "out-of-the-box" and some of ovi software depends on "old" libqt4-* (Qt-4.5.3) packages. Mar 05 21:03:35 is it any way to have only latest (maemo5-*) version, but don't uninstall this software? Mar 05 21:03:52 guys what is the "role title" for working for a moving company? trying to translate my cv to english :p Mar 05 21:04:01 hm, maybe could be that Mar 05 21:04:10 this is list list: ( as-config-applet-0 as-daemon-0 camel-as-provider-0 libas-storage-0 mp-fremantle-generic-pr offscr-electric-beams offscr-level offscr-pocket-calculator offscr-resistors offscr-seismometer psi-plus tickstill) Mar 05 21:04:12 frals: what did you do? Mar 05 21:04:20 move other peoples stuff Mar 05 21:04:24 i can try use my car charger and see if it fails too Mar 05 21:04:38 s/fails/semifails/ Mar 05 21:04:38 FIQ meant: i can try use my car charger and see if it semifails too Mar 05 21:04:54 frals: oh so actually moving things, hmm Mar 05 21:04:58 yeah Mar 05 21:05:43 jebba: ping Mar 05 21:07:22 no takers on job title for "moving things for a moving company" for a cv? :D Mar 05 21:09:59 man, i really need to write a script to auto authenticate with our campus wifi Mar 05 21:15:32 Stskeeps: downloading source tarballs disabled on gitorious? Mar 05 21:16:55 joppu: hmm, shouldn't be Mar 05 21:20:10 frals: mover? Mar 05 21:20:30 sounds so simple :D Mar 05 21:23:19 Stskeeps: Yeah, seem server-wide, just gives a "Temporary disabled" error message Mar 05 21:24:43 anyway thanks villager im going with that :) Mar 05 21:25:31 joppu, htey were down for sched maint yesterday for a little bit, its possibly related Mar 05 21:26:17 moo... Mar 05 21:28:49 frals, yeah, we call those movers in the US Mar 05 21:28:50 pong Stskeeps Mar 05 21:29:15 jebba: nm, i found your fbcon kernel Mar 05 21:30:20 Stskeeps: let me know how it works for you. The previous ones for me were stable, but that latest one was resetting quite often. It was also the first one (IIRC) that i did in the FREMANTLE_ARMEL scratchbox not in FREMANTLE_KERNEL, fwiw. Mar 05 21:30:41 jebba: let's just say it worked for my needs :) Mar 05 21:30:52 cool good. Mar 05 21:35:40 jebba, where you ever able to get 2.6.32 running (without making your n900 *smoke*) ? Mar 05 21:36:17 no. There's no touchscreen driver after 2.6.29 Mar 05 21:36:31 touchscreen is easy to get back in Mar 05 21:36:39 yea i read that.. anything else "known" to be missing? Mar 05 21:36:44 the problem is actually the LCD panel Mar 05 21:37:04 hmm Mar 05 21:37:22 tsc2005.c is what i'm thinking. There are likely others. Mar 05 21:37:40 jebba: tsc2005 exists as a patch and is easy to patch in, at least :P Mar 05 21:37:42 * swc|666 throws a fireball @ nokia Mar 05 21:38:12 Stskeeps: it could be patched in ok to latest kernel? I hadnt tried. Anything else you know of that's needed? Mar 05 21:38:36 jebba: LCD panel is a bit of a downer Mar 05 21:38:45 ACX565AKM or something isn't there Mar 05 21:39:12 it exists as a patch but doesn't fit with newer dss2 Mar 05 21:39:15 Ah, well ya, that's likely needed too ;) Mar 05 21:39:59 it gets to be a rather boring experience without Mar 05 21:40:05 but the blind might be able to use the device Mar 05 21:40:22 would get really good at haptic devel :) Mar 05 21:40:35 Or composite out. Mar 05 21:40:55 that's DSS2 too Mar 05 21:40:56 Heya Sts Mar 05 21:41:01 ah Mar 05 21:41:02 lo RST38h Mar 05 21:44:36 Shit, latest pidgin plugin still does not support ICQ well =( Mar 05 21:44:52 * RST38h looks for nix Mar 05 21:52:56 hey jebba, how much of the .28 Nokia patches did you port to the .32 kernel when you tried it? or did you use stock .32? Mar 05 22:05:07 pupnik: I know the UK region hasn't been given the latest firmware... that's why I want to change my region code :) Mar 05 22:05:39 Hi guys, after reflashing by N900 cannot play any music and video clips, even ringtones, says "no music", and from file manager no reaction on mp3 track click. Reboot does not help. What might be wrong with it? Thanks. Mar 05 22:05:59 tracker is broken for some reason? Mar 05 22:06:04 dregin: i think i have a uk device Mar 05 22:06:40 has the pound symbol on the z. got pr1.1 on it Mar 05 22:06:53 pupnik, it's global. Mar 05 22:07:08 If you're talking about the Summit units. Mar 05 22:07:20 ah. what is the problem with uk then? Mar 05 22:07:21 US layout Mar 05 22:07:35 pupnik: update is not rolled out to them for some reason Mar 05 22:07:38 Nokia UK is stupid Mar 05 22:07:42 pupnik: still stuck on pr1.1 Mar 05 22:07:44 Really goddamn stupid, apparently. Mar 05 22:07:53 please, help, I really wonder what happened to media player. Could I reinstall it? Mar 05 22:08:06 mmarc__: you could try reindexing the files Mar 05 22:08:18 red: how? Mar 05 22:08:26 tracker-processes --hard-reset in terminal (as a user, not sudo) Mar 05 22:08:43 then when you go and open the media player it will start reindexing everything (images, mp3s, videos) Mar 05 22:08:56 it might take a while depending how much media you have on the device Mar 05 22:08:58 t-tan: i didnt port anything. i just used the latest git Mar 05 22:09:29 if that does not help, id refer to the forums for more pro help Mar 05 22:13:17 hi, im experiencing problems with the package manager - maybe someone could point me to the right direction for a fix Mar 05 22:13:47 dpkg failed while installing samba-common from maemo-extra-devel with the following: Mar 05 22:14:38 Errors were encountered while processing: Mar 05 22:14:38 /var/cache/apt/archives/samba-common_3.4.3-maemo2_all.deb Mar 05 22:14:38 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Mar 05 22:14:41 pupnik: yeah, I'm stuck on a fairly old firmware :\ Mar 05 22:15:27 do you know what pr1.1.1 bugfix you care-about dregin ? Mar 05 22:16:20 jebba: I see. I guess latest git doesn't contain all patches from the Nokia kernel. porting them could be difficult Mar 05 22:16:23 it isnt like "wow it is all cooler" Mar 05 22:17:43 haha not at all. Mar 05 22:18:06 I'm just assuming that a newer firmware is more stable and hopefully doesn't tear through battery power like my unit seems to be doing atm. Mar 05 22:18:15 red: it does not help, I even tried to reboot after tracker-processes --hard-reset as user. Still "no songs" Mar 05 22:18:22 dregin: blame your wifi router usually Mar 05 22:18:30 dregin: what version are you on? Mar 05 22:18:31 mmarc__: your index might be corrupt Mar 05 22:18:51 can I delete it fully? Mar 05 22:19:06 i think i saw a command for it on the forums the other day when i had a similar problem Mar 05 22:19:10 but hard-reset fixed it for me Mar 05 22:19:22 go look and don't hold me accountable if something goes wrong :p Mar 05 22:20:01 <[Evan]> I want to do a Maemo project through GSoC this summer. I've read the FAQs; I'm ready to get my hands dirty. What should I do now? Mar 05 22:21:02 red: sure sure, thanks anyway Mar 05 22:22:22 the sdk vmware image is a good start Mar 05 22:24:34 <[Evan]> Is that the SDK I can download here? http://www.forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/Tools/Platforms/Maemo/ Mar 05 22:25:40 the vmware images I saw were for diablo, not fremantle Mar 05 22:26:00 http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ Mar 05 22:26:03 an ubuntu installation, and then running the GUI SDK installer to get it up and running works fine though Mar 05 22:26:31 hmm. my vmware sdk compiles for fremantle Mar 05 22:26:37 ah, nifty Mar 05 22:26:43 I see it there Mar 05 22:27:35 ah, well if I'd seen that then I probably would have gone that route vs setting up my own VM for it Mar 05 22:27:39 either way, it works Mar 05 22:27:56 ...except I'm not getting video on the Beagle with the resulting rootfs >_< Mar 05 22:28:29 hum..... Mar 05 22:29:16 followed the guide on omappedia, but to no avail. It seems to boot, but I've also lost my serial cable so I can't see what it might be bitching about. Mar 05 22:32:13 <[Evan]> I'm on Ubuntu 9.10; which would be the easiest (and quickest) to install the VM image on: QEMU, VMWare, VirtualBox? Mar 05 22:33:22 probably virtualbox Mar 05 22:33:25 I just flamed the hell out of a anti-N900 troll in an Orkut community. It feels nice! Mar 05 22:33:33 heh Mar 05 22:33:41 I hope your points were sane and well reasoned Mar 05 22:34:38 I'm sure they weren't Mar 05 22:34:41 ;D Mar 05 22:34:41 virtualbox is likely easiest Mar 05 22:34:47 ptl, logs! Mar 05 22:34:50 That's what I used, also on 9.10 Mar 05 22:35:05 I hope that too, in a flamewar I am not (almost by definition) aware enough to recognize that. Mar 05 22:35:17 pastebin.org Mar 05 22:35:17 nao Mar 05 22:35:25 Arif_: it's in portuguese, do you want it? I can tell you the URL and such Mar 05 22:35:30 oh Mar 05 22:35:31 no Mar 05 22:35:40 but anyways Mar 05 22:35:46 so Portugal doesn't like the N900? Mar 05 22:35:49 the guy told me N900 had no way of using HTML5. Mar 05 22:35:58 lol Mar 05 22:36:01 I just tried it on Fennec and it worked... well, at least for youtube videos. Mar 05 22:36:06 do any other phones? Mar 05 22:36:07 "SCP-1543-01 is a catapult with an absurdly far length of range, designed in 16 to meet a common need of that time: launching dangerous and potentially reality-altering objects into the sun" Mar 05 22:36:24 Arif_: actually I am in Brazil... I believe Portugal doesn't use Orkut as we use. Mar 05 22:36:37 Arif_: facebook is practically unknown in Brazil, we use Orkut heavily instead. Mar 05 22:36:58 we plant tomatos at facebook Mar 05 22:36:59 :D Mar 05 22:37:03 RST38h: reality-altering objects? Where can I buy that? Mar 05 22:37:37 HTML5 is completely dependent on browser, not so much on the hardware or OS... so if you have a browser (like Fennec) that supports it, then of course you have HTML5 support on the N900 Mar 05 22:37:47 yeah Mar 05 22:37:53 and the standard isn't even finished Mar 05 22:38:20 Large portions are implemented in Chrome and recent Firefox though. Mar 05 22:38:25 actually, all you need is for something like webkit to support it. then you can make a qtweb veiw widget in any app you want and do html5 stuff Mar 05 22:38:33 it was sort of a bogus point, the guy was desperately trying to find defects on the N900... Mar 05 22:38:45 which there are, I'm sure. Mar 05 22:38:49 many Mar 05 22:38:52 finding defects on the N900 isn't har Mar 05 22:38:53 d Mar 05 22:38:53 but not the ones he said Mar 05 22:38:54 :D Mar 05 22:38:58 but it's such a badass device that we don't particularly care :P Mar 05 22:39:03 and I don't even have one yet >_< Mar 05 22:39:05 The n900 sucks, you don't want it. Send them all to meeee! Mar 05 22:39:10 lol Mar 05 22:39:11 lol Mar 05 22:39:23 * Arif_ waits in front of SpeedEvil's mailbox Mar 05 22:39:46 In the UK, we don't generally have mailboxes. Mar 05 22:39:46 hey, these have craptastic speakers too! Mar 05 22:39:55 The mail is delivered through the front door. Mar 05 22:39:59 I was just curious that I found a 6-month-old video on youtube of a guy who build a robot with a N900 playing songs. Mar 05 22:40:11 I thought that 6 months ago the N900 didn't even exist. Mar 05 22:40:29 oh it did Mar 05 22:40:40 the N900 is old skool tech jo! Mar 05 22:40:41 *who built Mar 05 22:41:02 * Arif_ is waiting for the N901 Mar 05 22:41:05 many of us here have it for that long Mar 05 22:41:18 yeah, it's been around awhile Mar 05 22:41:23 the platform it's based on even longer Mar 05 22:41:35 and soon it will be abandoned! Mar 05 22:41:39 Mar 05 22:41:43 heh Mar 05 22:41:58 OMAP4's gonna be fun. Mar 05 22:42:00 but apparently Moogo will be on the N900... Mar 05 22:42:11 yeah... at least the unstable versions Mar 05 22:42:24 Moomo 5 is unstable too Mar 05 22:42:26 won't change much then :D Mar 05 22:42:55 Moomin Five Mar 05 22:43:22 anyway, I'm so glad with my device that I really don't mind spending more money with the N910 or whatever when it comes out, provided it's still Linux. Mar 05 22:43:33 Man, I've just come from a Windows Mobile 6.1 phone. Mar 05 22:43:59 I'll be coming from Android. Mar 05 22:44:09 I came from S60v3 FP1 Mar 05 22:44:24 I'm dubious about android Mar 05 22:44:30 the important thing is low mickeymouse work ratio for building existing linux packages Mar 05 22:44:30 heh, I've got an S60v3 phone sitting around as my backup Mar 05 22:44:52 I forget whihc FP the N95-4 was... I miss that phone hardcore. Mar 05 22:44:55 mh Mar 05 22:44:55 I didn't like google's attitude in not sending new diffs to the main kernel and also don't like all the differences that the Android system has from Linux Mar 05 22:45:06 I like to be able to port linux' applications to my phone. Mar 05 22:45:13 yeah Mar 05 22:45:16 ptl, you must use teh java! Mar 05 22:45:38 I'm not against java Mar 05 22:45:51 but it just doesn't feel right to have it as the main language for a mobile... Mar 05 22:46:12 tell RIM that Mar 05 22:46:47 I've never used a blackberry... So I don't know how well java integrates into them. Mar 05 22:46:49 you have a gazillion versions of word, msn, email, radio Mar 05 22:46:56 and that's it :P Mar 05 22:47:00 ptl: BB's all java Mar 05 22:47:02 alllll of it Mar 05 22:47:08 and they all don't work Mar 05 22:47:10 :D Mar 05 22:47:21 does it run Apache Tomcat? :D Mar 05 22:49:26 well, the N900 *does* run it! http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenJDK_6.0_0_(Cambridge_Software_Labs)_on_N900 Mar 05 22:49:57 :o Mar 05 22:50:09 these proofs of concept are hilarious Mar 05 22:50:40 some may even be practical Mar 05 22:50:52 my phones *SUDDENLY* consumes ~30Mb traffic somedays. that costs me about $10 in cellular network so i definitely do not like it. Never caught it in action so i do not know what it is :-( Mar 05 22:51:32 well, if you port nethogs to the N900, you can find the culprit Mar 05 22:51:45 just tcpdump in the bg? Mar 05 22:51:53 write a file to RAM if your battery life is good Mar 05 22:52:21 Arkenoi: you have ~30 gigabytes of storage. Mar 05 22:52:24 but tcpdump doesn't identify the process, does it? Mar 05 22:52:27 Arkenoi: tcpdump everything. Mar 05 22:52:30 No. Mar 05 22:52:35 nethogs does Mar 05 22:52:37 But it tells you teh protocol Mar 05 22:53:14 if it's connecting to *maemo.org - then it's doing updates forex Mar 05 22:53:19 sometimes it may not be sufficient Mar 05 22:53:23 let me see if I can compile nethogs for the N900 Mar 05 22:56:58 hmm Mar 05 22:57:06 tcpdump *should* identify the process <.< Mar 05 22:57:37 should it? Mar 05 22:57:41 how? which flag? Mar 05 22:57:55 Arkenoi: I am trying to compile nethogs, maybe it can help you Mar 05 22:58:34 guys, I've got an issue similar to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45011 Mar 05 22:58:34 No any media visible through media player, while tracker-stats does show some pretty correct info and trackerd fails to start both as user and as root. Anybody with this problem? Please, help to resolve! Mar 05 22:58:35 alternative to tcpdump is tcpick - which unpacks all connections into files. Mar 05 22:58:39 ptl: I mean it would be a good idea Mar 05 22:58:47 (though again doesn't give you process IDs) Mar 05 22:59:02 * n00bmonk3y wakes up Mar 05 23:00:08 netstat --program Mar 05 23:00:40 done Mar 05 23:00:43 compiled it, optified it Mar 05 23:00:47 for armel Mar 05 23:01:20 ali1234: doesn't help with 'what used 30M this month' Mar 05 23:01:40 neither does tcpdump, unless you leave it running all month Mar 05 23:01:49 Arkenoi: http://patola.org/nethogs_0.7.0-2_armel.deb Mar 05 23:01:52 however it will tell you which program is using which connection now Mar 05 23:01:59 Arkenoi: hope it helps you Mar 05 23:02:03 ali1234: that was what I was suggesting Mar 05 23:02:26 Arkenoi: syntax is 'nethogs ' and has to be ran as root Mar 05 23:02:51 nethogs looks pretty useful Mar 05 23:03:29 you may have to install libpcap0.8 first Mar 05 23:03:57 ugh, no info. BAD Mar 05 23:04:14 ali1234: i cant find any real news on psx4??? development progress Mar 05 23:04:32 just an iphone release with no real info Mar 05 23:05:54 reflashing didn't fix this??? damn Mar 05 23:06:00 ptl: thanks! Mar 05 23:06:03 the tracker problem of mmarc__ Mar 05 23:06:10 what's your take on things? Mar 05 23:06:15 :/ Mar 05 23:06:51 ptl: actually, I think reflashing CAUSE this problem Mar 05 23:06:52 pupnik: no idea Mar 05 23:07:14 mmarc__: how can that be? Mar 05 23:07:17 mmarc__: !!! Mar 05 23:07:35 don't know, media files were OK before reflashing Mar 05 23:07:40 :( Mar 05 23:07:42 and this shit is now after Mar 05 23:07:45 ptl: it asks for libpcap. despite i have wireshark and tcpdump installed, this dependency is unresolved :-( Mar 05 23:08:30 Arkenoi: it's on the tools repository Mar 05 23:08:40 do you have it? Mar 05 23:09:02 Arif_: i figured if anyone here could get some scoop you could :( Mar 05 23:09:17 oops sorry mistab Mar 05 23:09:23 ?? Mar 05 23:09:35 * mmarc__ not sure if to try reflashing one more time Mar 05 23:09:36 * Arif_ didn't do anything Mar 05 23:10:02 yes Mar 05 23:10:14 mmarc__: maybe erasing every data and reflashing, because reflashing by itself doesn't purge your data Mar 05 23:10:30 Arkenoi: well, then apt-get install libpcap0.8 Mar 05 23:10:37 then install nethogs! Mar 05 23:11:18 the problem is that indexing seems to be fine, since stats look correct, while tracker daemon fails itself Mar 05 23:11:36 need to port iftop Mar 05 23:11:38 in cannot even play ringtones, that are built-in! Mar 05 23:12:31 ptl: seems to work, will try it now Mar 05 23:12:47 i would love if in microb disabled flash objects could be clicked to activate Mar 05 23:13:48 pupnik, isnt that what flashblock does? Mar 05 23:15:08 * n00bmonk3y yawns Mar 05 23:15:25 pupnik: me? get a scoop? Mar 05 23:15:28 ptl: i do not see totals, only current bandwidh consumption :-( Mar 05 23:17:28 Hello Mar 05 23:17:34 ali1234: well you understand the thing better than the rest of us Mar 05 23:17:46 ha ha Mar 05 23:17:52 i really doubt that Mar 05 23:18:05 tank-man: in microb addons i see no flash-block. just global flash disablable Mar 05 23:19:12 Is it possible to run directly osso-xterm in full screen mode, maybe with param? Mar 05 23:19:58 h, m key does the trick Mar 05 23:20:49 ??? Mar 05 23:22:11 Arkenoi: are you telling to me? Mar 05 23:23:12 well....no solution? Mar 05 23:25:07 * GeneralAntilles WTF?'s at http://wiki.maemo.org/User_talk:Amigadave Mar 05 23:26:38 lol!!!! Mar 05 23:27:46 thats just cheered me up lol Mar 05 23:28:06 lolwut Mar 05 23:28:59 * Arif_ is browsing for new headphones Mar 05 23:30:23 avoid Ultimate Ears Mar 05 23:30:45 avoid deafness dont use them. Mar 05 23:31:04 I like my Sennheiser earbuds Mar 05 23:31:08 Arkenoi: hi again, sorry, I was eating. Yes, the idea is that you let it running and at some time, the process that consumes too much will show up in the stats Mar 05 23:31:11 little cheapo $30 pair Mar 05 23:31:17 rocks my socks for the price. Mar 05 23:31:38 i was an idiot to go to head-fi forums Mar 05 23:32:44 heh Mar 05 23:33:05 Arif_: what price/quality range are you looking at Mar 05 23:33:06 ? Mar 05 23:33:20 something €50 or lower Mar 05 23:33:32 or somewhat higher :P Mar 05 23:33:33 how do I solve my problem with greasy fingers? I have to keep cleaning my N900 screen! Mar 05 23:33:43 My skin is oily Mar 05 23:33:44 wash your hands Mar 05 23:33:48 same with mine Mar 05 23:33:48 I do Mar 05 23:34:00 part of the problem is that I run my fingers through my hair a lot Mar 05 23:34:02 I had Soundmagic PL-50 Mar 05 23:34:05 I'm always cleaning my screen Mar 05 23:34:07 but I broke them :D Mar 05 23:34:31 http://www.headsetcenter.nl/products/muziek-en-geluid/oordopjes/oordopjes-per-merk/nuforce/nuforce-ne-6-oordopjes.htm Mar 05 23:34:36 I'm thinking of buying these next... Mar 05 23:35:45 ah, the soundmagic kinda remind me of the old Koss earplug-style Mar 05 23:35:50 except better, likely Mar 05 23:36:02 I didn't like them too much Mar 05 23:36:05 they fitted weird :p Mar 05 23:36:08 yeah Mar 05 23:36:14 I'm not liking the look of them, myself Mar 05 23:36:26 I'd say take a gander an Sennheiser's offering in that range. Mar 05 23:36:34 what do you think of the NuForce Mar 05 23:36:45 never heard of them Mar 05 23:36:56 I had Sennheiser CX400s Mar 05 23:37:01 but they weren't really loud Mar 05 23:37:01 those look about like my Senns Mar 05 23:37:04 my ears are even more greasy than fingers Mar 05 23:37:17 if you have good isolation, you shouldn't need loud. Mar 05 23:37:33 I have the problem that my ears are kinda big Mar 05 23:37:41 and that I can hear the surroundings easily :D Mar 05 23:38:01 I had the CX300s Mar 05 23:38:11 those fuckers nearly blew my eardrums a couple times Mar 05 23:38:14 that shit HURT Mar 05 23:38:16 lol Mar 05 23:38:24 but I used them with the N95 8GB Mar 05 23:38:27 maybe that's why Mar 05 23:38:34 source makes a difference Mar 05 23:38:37 this was in the ipod Mar 05 23:39:00 I have the habbit of breaking my earphones every half year or so :) Mar 05 23:39:00 Arif_, ne-6 look exactly like pl11 Mar 05 23:39:03 I hadn't turned the volume down from when I had it in the car, so it was cranked nearly all the way up Mar 05 23:39:30 you could hear the audio clearly from the earbuds while they were sitting on the desk. Mar 05 23:39:35 Plenty loud for me. Mar 05 23:39:43 hehe Mar 05 23:39:58 I'd get another pair to replace mine that went through the laundry, but my shop is sold out atm :( Mar 05 23:40:27 * Arif_ is looking for reviews to find something bassy :) Mar 05 23:41:31 ah, there we diverge. Mar 05 23:41:42 I like bass, but not so much Mar 05 23:41:52 my Senn HD500s were a little too bassy for my taste. Mar 05 23:42:00 heh Mar 05 23:42:11 my HD260s are a little better about that Mar 05 23:42:17 Mmm . . . fish Mar 05 23:46:18 i like not going deaf at 42 yes old Mar 05 23:46:21 yrs Mar 05 23:47:02 oh wow Mar 05 23:47:10 1200 USD earphones! Mar 05 23:47:50 yeah, they get expensive Mar 05 23:48:13 I love this word -- histrionic Mar 05 23:48:27 it is guaranteed to worsen the discussion in a flamewar. Mar 05 23:49:01 vitriolic is also a nice word. Mar 05 23:49:51 histrionic? Mar 05 23:50:58 hysterical is nice, particularly to annoy certain genders Mar 05 23:51:16 hi Mar 05 23:51:49 on the train xchat Mar 05 23:52:01 microlith: it means something like too emotional, exaggerated Mar 05 23:52:03 pupnik: yeah! good word too. Mar 05 23:52:13 is cool Mar 05 23:52:14 PMS ftw Mar 05 23:52:46 :) Mar 05 23:53:11 two lesbians getting off you wanted to know that Mar 05 23:54:19 on topic ordered a couple of the laser cut stands Mar 05 23:54:27 which ones? Mar 05 23:54:46 lilly allen and lady gaga Mar 05 23:55:06 advertised on maemo.org Mar 05 23:55:18 looks really nice Mar 05 23:55:39 one black one clear acyllic Mar 05 23:56:10 15USD a pair Mar 05 23:57:16 ptl: oops, seems that process vanishes from the table as soon as it terminates. is it possible to keep it there> Mar 05 23:59:14 nite all, sweet dreams Mar 06 00:02:58 http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001MQ8BL6/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new Mar 06 00:02:59 hmmm Mar 06 00:33:32 anyone managed to clone n900 to sd and boot? Mar 06 00:34:40 I cloned my n900, but there was a fly in the chamber too, and I had to kill it. Mar 06 00:36:24 SpeedEvil: What have you done!? Mar 06 00:36:47 realitygaps: i think Stskeeps knows but he hasnt come of his basement for weeks Mar 06 00:37:17 just tells me to slip a sucer of milk with rum under the door Mar 06 00:37:25 pupnik, thx. do you think the n900 would take ota updates off the SD also? Mar 06 00:38:10 actually it would be fun to get the sdk stuff onto mmc1 Mar 06 00:38:16 GA: what's going on with those deletions you pointed out? Mar 06 00:38:28 ds3, I don't have a clue. :D Mar 06 00:39:39 GA: oh... I seem to recall that page you pointed to had instructions on sharing the DUN not completely exporting it Mar 06 00:39:46 but it is all gone :( Mar 06 00:43:47 I see the channel is filled with weird talk again Mar 06 00:43:48 :( Mar 06 01:30:02 Ahh, it's so much more fun to hack on something you have no clue about Mar 06 01:30:44 * SpeedEvil passes ShadowJK a broken steam sewing machine. Mar 06 01:30:58 my attempt at analying ftd logs on N800 to get an estimate on the battery's internal resistance gave as reliable results as throwing a dice would have :) Mar 06 01:32:05 ShadowJK: yeah - the intermal measurements seem odd. Mar 06 01:32:28 ShadowJK: I half-rigged up an external sensor thing - but it diddn't work well. rebuilding it now. Mar 06 01:33:33 but hey, if I ignore all the results that I don't like, and arbitrarily keep the ones I like, I get a nice number Mar 06 01:34:19 yah seams that most batery meaters in any devise are not that acureat Mar 06 01:34:20 google impedence spectroscopy Mar 06 01:34:30 ShadowJK: Mar 06 01:35:15 oh come on, if I read about it I'll have no fun knowing i'm doomed Mar 06 01:36:11 * shamus has taken to ignoring the batery meater on his n800 Mar 06 01:37:46 The impedence of the battery - new - is well under 0.3 ohms. Mar 06 01:38:59 the battery management system on N800 has a field for it, claiming 180mohm, iirc Mar 06 01:39:01 160 on n810 Mar 06 01:39:14 it's never ever updated though Mar 06 01:39:41 160 is quite believable. Mar 06 01:39:46 For a fresh battery. Mar 06 01:39:53 After a year, that's going to double Mar 06 01:40:02 typically at least Mar 06 01:40:18 where dose one find that info? Mar 06 01:41:03 my attempt at measuring it wasn't that successful Mar 06 01:41:14 I mostly get the sign right, 60% of the time ;-) Mar 06 01:41:36 shamus: the easy way is to hook it up to a battery analyser Mar 06 01:41:43 ahhh Mar 06 01:42:11 ShadowJK: Take a load. Apply it, wait, measure volts, turn it off, wait, measure volts. Repeat 50* Mar 06 01:42:26 f me sideways Mar 06 01:42:31 SpeedEvil, yep Mar 06 01:42:39 yah not sure if the bat is new or not as i got the n800 oem and well no way of knowing if they replaced the batery or not Mar 06 01:42:40 dropped my n900 to toilet bowl Mar 06 01:42:44 ShadowJK: the flashlight LEDs might be suitable - for example. Or turn the backlight from brightness 0 to 255 Mar 06 01:42:49 visz: remove battery Mar 06 01:42:53 i did Mar 06 01:43:02 visz: clean toilet bowl? Mar 06 01:43:08 what leds, N800 has no Leds Mar 06 01:43:10 luckily, yeah =) Mar 06 01:43:19 n800 has an led Mar 06 01:43:22 I'm not touching N900, there's no (known) way to access the sensors there Mar 06 01:43:23 visz: Place in oven at 60C for a day Mar 06 01:43:25 now it's 10 hours later and the power button does nothing Mar 06 01:43:27 yeah Mar 06 01:43:33 good idea Mar 06 01:43:35 but dilblo dose not like letign the led work Mar 06 01:43:51 visz: do not try to power it up - keeping the battery in for more than moments is a bad plan. Mar 06 01:44:06 visz: :/ Mar 06 01:44:08 anyway, media player streaming over wlan is like 400mA load.. switch it off and plug in charger, and it's a 1200mA differential Mar 06 01:44:36 yep ass soon as an electron device hits the water you want to rush it to a place to remover the bat and let it air dry Mar 06 01:45:48 * shamus has saved an only phone from death by water damager befor Mar 06 01:45:48 visz: generally my procedure with electronics is to remvoe power ASAP, then possibly dissasemble, wash in hot soapy water, rinse in hot distilled water, then dry in air at 60-80C for a couple of days. If the water is clean, you may get away with not dissasembling if you dry it for a long time Mar 06 01:45:51 too bad i didn't get the operators insurance for that Mar 06 01:47:03 I found this energizer paper on internal resistance Mar 06 01:47:16 It uses a 100ms pulse of high load Mar 06 01:47:24 * ShadowJK is mostly doing 1-minute "pulses"... Mar 06 01:47:32 visz: just remove the battery, leave it on a heater or in front of the airconditioning (anything which will remove humidity), oven only if you can leave the door open Mar 06 01:48:15 i left it in sauna Mar 06 01:48:24 with low heat Mar 06 01:48:33 but in general the longer you leave power conected the higher the risk of further damage Mar 06 01:48:40 my 6110 navigator survived similar accident Mar 06 01:49:00 but i don't think this one will make it Mar 06 01:49:08 yes well you got lucky Mar 06 01:49:12 just need to get my work to buy me a new one Mar 06 01:49:17 visz: sauna is *not* a good idea Mar 06 01:49:22 visz: way too much humidity Mar 06 01:49:22 yes it is Mar 06 01:49:25 no it's not Mar 06 01:49:28 oops - yeah. Gas oven is bad. Mar 06 01:49:29 finnish sauna Mar 06 01:49:30 mobile phones should reproduce, so natural selection would act on them and make them more sturdy for cases like that. Mar 06 01:49:49 most devices dont like the water Mar 06 01:49:52 there's no humidity until you pour water on the stove Mar 06 01:50:11 ptl, =) Mar 06 01:51:37 visz: I thought the whole point of a sauna was to retain humidity? Mar 06 01:51:43 visz: anyway, your call Mar 06 01:52:24 It's finnish sauna he's talking about. The point about finnish sauna is torture Mar 06 01:52:43 ShadowJK: lul Mar 06 01:53:42 In the Sauna bathing championships they use 110C temperature :-) Mar 06 01:55:44 do the champions win by evaporating? Mar 06 01:56:13 the last one to leave wins Mar 06 01:56:47 i prefer a bit milder temperatures Mar 06 01:56:50 75C is nice Mar 06 01:56:53 ShadowJK: Leave alive, or leave? Mar 06 01:57:00 to leave alive, you mean. 110⁰C cooks a man. Mar 06 01:57:33 Over the short term - you can take a lot of heat. Mar 06 01:57:37 SpeedEvil, I don't think there's been anyone yet with enough determination to stay until death Mar 06 01:57:59 You would die if you're in a bath at 45C for a long time. Mar 06 01:58:07 But for short periods, it can be nice. Mar 06 01:58:35 Apparently some do stay long enough to get burns Mar 06 01:58:36 Heating up ~100kg of human takes a lot of energy. Mar 06 01:58:40 when they realize they're in danger of death it might be too late for them too leave - they might be weak Mar 06 01:58:45 Hmmm there sure is a lot of different opinions on what plans will work with the N900 on TMO Mar 06 01:58:56 ds3: where are you? Mar 06 01:59:02 SpeedEvil: US Mar 06 01:59:10 ptl, I'm sure they'd pull them out when they stop screaming :-) Mar 06 01:59:38 what's TMO? Mar 06 01:59:43 some folks say TMO might block based on IMEI and others says it may just work and yet there is another post on internet3 users not working Mar 06 01:59:48 TMO == Tmobile Mar 06 02:00:01 or talk.maemo.org Mar 06 02:00:11 Deuteche Telecom's (sp) mobile phone name Mar 06 02:00:29 I hope talk.maemo.org won't have the ability to block by IMEI ;) Mar 06 02:01:21 Keep in mind that t-mobile in US is different from t-mobile in UK is different from t-mobile in Germany Mar 06 02:01:46 most of the posts are from the US side Mar 06 02:02:59 * crashanddie wishes for people to learn how to debate Mar 06 02:03:15 instead of just going constantly "I didn't say that", "I didn't say that", "I didn't say that" Mar 06 02:03:33 I diddn't say that. Mar 06 02:03:55 SpeedEvil: very predictable Mar 06 02:04:55 I didn't say that I didn't say that Mar 06 02:05:09 my tactics are following when it comes to debating: if sure about something -> say the thing -> if he doesn't believe -> grab n900 and google it. If not sure you can be like "Ooh is it so =)" Mar 06 02:06:12 but usually nto all subjects have a clear yes-no answer Mar 06 02:06:49 I find this US habit of buying phones tied to operators very unsettling, I'd never permit myself to be bossed by some corporation while paying to them. Mar 06 02:08:06 ptl: it kills the competition. When those deals to sell phone+connection as a same package became legal in finland the prices simply stopped dropping Mar 06 02:09:53 The market in the UK could be a lot worse. Mar 06 02:10:41 You - as a private individual - simply can't get the same rate as a phone shop who signs you up as a new customer, and uses the kickback from the network to subsidise your phone. Mar 06 02:10:52 OTOH - there are mostly-sane PAYG deals. Mar 06 02:10:57 pay as you go Mar 06 02:11:24 freedom is expensive. Mar 06 02:12:26 what happened to wimax in usa? Mar 06 02:13:39 dead Mar 06 02:13:45 probly Mar 06 02:13:47 probably the regional govt fiefdoms got in the way Mar 06 02:15:04 wimax is not magic. Mar 06 02:15:11 are there PAYG data outside of europe? Mar 06 02:15:25 Unless you have tight control of bandwidth, it will get killed by those abusing it. Mar 06 02:16:15 Think of wireless not like the internet, but one big 10base-t network. Mar 06 02:20:23 some local users (here in Russia) got up to 2Tb monthly Mar 06 02:20:33 mostly torrents and shit Mar 06 02:20:51 don't know why does anyone need such huge traffic Mar 06 02:21:02 seems to be extreme case of digital hoarding Mar 06 02:45:50 anyone in Australia have recommendations for a 3g contract? Mar 06 02:50:47 and does tethering work with the N900? Mar 06 02:50:53 (I realise I never asked myself those questions) Mar 06 02:51:14 tethering works over USB, didn' try anything else Mar 06 02:51:38 i think someone got it working over bluetooth DUN Mar 06 02:55:50 nha, 3g + bluetooth would kill the battery anyway Mar 06 02:56:22 I'm actually wondering if a dual sim contract wouldn't be more interesting Mar 06 02:56:33 one for a usb dongle and one for the n900 Mar 06 02:59:07 thoughts? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 06 02:59:57 2010