**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 06 02:59:57 2010 Mar 06 03:00:16 pleeze upgrade python-pygame from 1.8.1release-0maemo3 to 1.9 ! kthxbai! Mar 06 03:01:07 Within moments the room had filled with kittens and they began to exert massive pressures on the surrounding doors before breaking through and began to fill SiteÁÁ. Mar 06 03:09:37 :D :D .. :D Mar 06 03:10:58 "I'm confused, I'm a pro with Windows but Linux is hard" Mar 06 03:11:17 --tmo user, 6th March 2010 Mar 06 03:15:10 hehe Mar 06 03:16:13 it's true enough while still being funny - certainly I'm more convinced at the ability of a professional linux sysadmin to master professional windows sysadmin stuff than the reverse situation, speaking generally of course and realizing that exceptions exist Mar 06 03:19:48 Cultural thing Mar 06 03:19:48 Plus, who the hell uses only Linux from the get-go? Mar 06 03:20:20 why not? Mar 06 03:21:06 i wouldnt want to drive a car in london if i could avoid it Mar 06 03:21:28 GeneralAntilles: if you are only looking at professional sysadminning and not personal use, many people. if you look at personal use, it's less common, but interestingly people who learn Linux as their first OS sometimes find it easier than windows, and are quite comfortable with the command line. Mar 06 03:34:06 i use only linux :) Mar 06 03:35:44 hi Mar 06 03:35:51 How do I delete all contacts that are imported from a sim-card? I lent my n900 to a friend tonight, and I had to import all his contacts in order to look them up, but I'm really not interested in his contacts. Mar 06 03:36:27 hi Mar 06 03:36:42 jo-erlend kill irc.virtualife.com.br Mar 06 03:37:04 hmm? Mar 06 03:37:15 jo-erlend kill irc.virtualife.com.br Mar 06 03:37:22 really. Mar 06 03:37:23 jo-erlend pacote irc.virtualife.com.br Mar 06 03:38:13 bots lag irc.virtualife.com.br Mar 06 03:38:52 I see.. What made you think I'm an oper on that network? :) Mar 06 03:40:48 ???? Mar 06 03:40:51 this is a brazilian IRC network Mar 06 03:40:57 what does it have to do with freenode or maemo at all? Mar 06 03:41:15 pacote means to nuke, to make unavailable Mar 06 03:41:48 it seems he's confusing you with a bot and trying to make you initiate a DDoS to irc.virtualife.com.br Mar 06 03:41:54 you know of someone who lag in the networks? Mar 06 03:41:57 someone must have passed some kind of fake instructions for him to do it. Mar 06 03:42:47 digitus: what's that all about? Mar 06 03:43:32 wanted in a network lag Mar 06 03:45:22 queria da pacotes com shell Mar 06 03:45:33 wanted the package with shell Mar 06 03:45:47 lol Mar 06 03:45:49 this is not the place Mar 06 03:46:06 digitus: por favor, nao aqui nessa rede. Aqui na freenode nao tem isso, e e' proibido. Mar 06 03:46:22 (sorry, people, for the portuguese) Mar 06 03:46:59 speaks Portuguese Mar 06 03:47:00 ? Mar 06 03:47:46 Yes. I do. Mar 06 03:47:51 claro Mar 06 03:47:53 iai Mar 06 03:47:54 :) Mar 06 03:49:01 ptl Mar 06 03:49:04 We can't speak portuguese on this channel.. and this is about maemo, not nukes Mar 06 03:50:16 why can not speak Portuguese? .. and on the nukes were playing so Mar 06 03:51:58 because this channel is an international channel, as far as I understand it. Mar 06 03:54:18 they speak English .. your name? Mar 06 03:57:37 How do I delete all contacts that are imported from a sim-card? I lent my n900 to a friend tonight, and I had to import all his contacts in order to look them up, but I'm really not interested in his contacts. Mar 06 04:00:02 jo-erlend, click on the delete contacts menu Mar 06 04:01:23 and then manually select each and every one? Mar 06 04:01:31 that'll take forever... Mar 06 04:01:50 its not exactly a common use case Mar 06 04:02:05 no, but they have to be stored somewhere? Mar 06 04:02:16 yeah Mar 06 04:03:20 since you have been asking us for 25 minutes at least , ibet in that time you could have tap tap tapped your way through easily 1000 Mar 06 04:03:52 right, but I still like to know how stuff works. Mar 06 04:04:22 and I haven't asked for twenty minutes. I've asked twice because digitus made such a lot of fuzz about lag on another network. Mar 06 04:05:09 i kind of doubt that once you've imported them you'd be able to figure out where they came from Mar 06 04:05:10 i dunno where the database s ot what format its in unfortunately Mar 06 04:05:24 is or Mar 06 04:06:04 * lcuk sleeps anyway Mar 06 04:06:21 that's not really necessary, I wanted to delete all contacts that weren't from mail or xmpp. Mar 06 04:06:33 may be possible then Mar 06 04:06:54 lcuk, thanks anyway. That function actually made it a small process. Mar 06 04:07:06 it is within a sqlite database, I think.... evolution contacts or something Mar 06 04:07:20 there's some stuff about it on maemo.org, if you google for it you'll find Mar 06 04:07:46 oh! Is it stored within e-d-s? Mar 06 04:08:52 that does make sense, come to think of it. In that case, it's a piece of cake. :) Mar 06 04:10:11 perfect solution; I got the GUI-way and the CLI-way at once. Perfect. Thanks to you both. :) Mar 06 04:15:53 jo-erlend: yw, sorry to take long to respond Mar 06 04:37:37 in N900, is it possible to browse the web vertically? Mar 06 04:38:08 "if you build it, ..." Mar 06 04:38:29 on n800/n810, you can Mar 06 04:38:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgG6UY4nxQg Mar 06 04:38:56 sweet Mar 06 04:38:56 i don't know about n900 Mar 06 04:41:20 there are videos showing how to do that Mar 06 04:41:28 err, that it is possible* Mar 06 04:42:40 it is not a supported feature Mar 06 04:43:21 SpeedEvil, will it ever be? Mar 06 04:43:25 Dunno. Mar 06 04:43:41 I was earlier using firefox in the debian chroot, rotated 90 degrees. Mar 06 04:43:48 But that's even less of a supported feature :) Mar 06 05:18:44 how do i check if fm transmitter is disabled/enabled? for some odd reason, no matter what I do, fm transmitter doesn't seem to want to work for me. Mar 06 05:24:05 LiraNuna, [07:37:59] in N900, is it possible to browse the web vertically? Mar 06 05:24:12 yes, is it Mar 06 05:24:25 how? I only saw videos that said it's a bug Mar 06 05:24:38 ctrl-shift-o Mar 06 05:24:41 press "ctrl+shift+o" Mar 06 05:24:46 and restart browser Mar 06 05:25:15 s/yes, is it/yes, it is/ Mar 06 05:27:09 noting Mar 06 05:27:23 Close the keyboard, switch to portrait. Mar 06 05:27:49 am I being toyed with Mar 06 05:28:01 . . . Mar 06 05:28:52 oh my it works Mar 06 05:29:01 why the weird keyboard shortcut? Mar 06 05:29:16 Because it's not yet officially supported. Mar 06 05:29:18 Still buggy Mar 06 05:29:48 does that mean it would be made official? Mar 06 05:31:37 btw, i think, that it shouldn't change orientation, like it did it now. It should did somwthgink like xrandr -o {left,right,normal,inverted} Mar 06 05:31:56 and turn screen in that way, as you turn device ;) Mar 06 05:32:53 That doesn't sound completely obnoxious or anything. Mar 06 05:32:55 I disliked the rotation on my n97, it always seemed to rotate when you didn't want it too Mar 06 05:33:04 ^ Mar 06 05:33:22 hold it at a slightly wrong angle and look, you get to wait for it to rotate between horz and vert Mar 06 05:33:28 and it's not instant Mar 06 05:33:47 try xrandr on linux desktop Mar 06 05:33:53 it is mostly instant ;) Mar 06 05:34:49 AntiXpucT, a mobile device is not a desktop. Mar 06 05:34:57 and? Mar 06 05:35:10 the rotatio n may be instant. Mar 06 05:35:18 The applications repainting generally isn't. Mar 06 05:35:31 it using X server like a desktop. And xrandr should work perfectly ;) Mar 06 05:35:53 xrandr works. Mar 06 05:36:08 ^_^ Mar 06 05:36:09 The applications - many of them - do not support the other aspect ratio. Mar 06 05:36:20 Either at all, or well, depending on the app. Mar 06 05:36:27 >_< Mar 06 05:39:29 speaking of randr, is the S-Video out consider another screen or is it just aa mirror of the LCD? Mar 06 05:39:39 it's another screen Mar 06 05:39:49 can have completely different content on it Mar 06 05:39:54 Anybody used it as such yet? Mar 06 05:40:08 howhard is it tosend media player output to it? Mar 06 05:40:31 ds3, pretty easy if you don't mind the mirroring setup out of the box. ;) Mar 06 05:40:44 Ohhhh Mar 06 05:40:51 so by default, it is a mirror Mar 06 05:41:37 GA: pulled the trigger on the 900 so I am gathering info on how to customize it while i wait Mar 06 05:42:54 GeneralAntilles: lcuk did Mar 06 05:46:59 ds3, lol, congrats. ;) Mar 06 05:48:48 btw... now i've Qt4.5.3 & Qt4.6.2 both installed on my n900 (libqt4-* in /usr/lib/qt4 (4.5.3) and libqt4-maemo5-* in /opt (4.6.2)). Is it any way to uninstall 4.5.3, but don't uninstall all software, that using it (some metapackages, packages with symlink to /opt/qt4-maemo, etc)? Mar 06 05:52:40 arggh! I can't believe it, been trying to get this fm transmitting thing to work for hours and something's just not right. It's not disabled, firmware latest (US version), everything on the device itself seems to do its job, but when it comes to 3 diff cars and 3 diff radios, none of them would pick up any signal. any advice? Mar 06 05:54:03 hmm Mar 06 05:54:43 pick a less bussy frequency? Mar 06 05:54:44 fmtx_client shows all info correctly and that it's disabled/enabled (whenever i turn it off / on) and man, i'm lost here. would have thought it was as easy as turning it on/off Mar 06 05:54:55 shamus, tried them all, lowest up to highest Mar 06 05:55:40 ;acks a fm transmiter in his n800 Mar 06 05:55:47 so was a guess Mar 06 05:56:33 shamus: it's a good guess, that's usually the problem with fm transmitters since there are so many stations out there, but that unfortunately isn't the reason Mar 06 05:56:44 alltho my reciver is super senstive. far more sensitve then some radios Mar 06 05:57:27 maby your antena is not conected? Mar 06 05:57:41 maby ituses the head phones as and antena Mar 06 05:57:48 shamus: tried in 3 different vehicles and 3 different standalone radios Mar 06 05:58:28 i know i cant recive shit if i do not have my head phones pluged in Mar 06 05:58:38 as it uses them as it's antena Mar 06 05:59:01 maby it uses them as the transmiting antena as well? Mar 06 05:59:09 no Mar 06 05:59:25 based on all the youtube vids etc, no cable/fake antenna is required for this to work Mar 06 05:59:28 it says "i can't working if any cable plugged in" Mar 06 05:59:49 ahhhh Mar 06 06:00:21 maby it's a hardwhere issue Mar 06 06:01:09 btw, i get signal from n900 only on distance <=30cm. Mar 06 06:02:02 AntiXpucT: you might want to search for fm-boost to increase the strength of signal to like 118 i believe, should give you 2-3m then Mar 06 06:02:16 i increase it to 120 Mar 06 06:02:19 ;) Mar 06 06:02:39 AntiXpucT: ah, ok. even better :), but at least yours is working. Mine doesn't transmit crap Mar 06 06:10:33 shamus, no. Mar 06 06:10:39 anyone know what is the story with IR on the N900? seems some places say there is none, others say it is receive only, and so forth? Mar 06 06:10:43 shamus, the 3.5mm jack is the antenna for FM RX. Mar 06 06:10:52 shamus, the FM TX uses an internal antenna. Mar 06 06:11:05 ok Mar 06 06:11:15 ds3, TX only as far as I'm aware. Mar 06 06:11:33 GA: what was/is it intended for? Mar 06 06:11:47 ds3, CIR Mar 06 06:11:55 Presumably TV control and such Mar 06 06:11:59 Ohhhh okay Mar 06 06:12:07 does it come with remote software? Mar 06 06:12:10 Somebody put together a camera shutter remote too. Mar 06 06:12:28 or even a LiRC driver/support? Mar 06 06:12:40 lirc, yes Mar 06 06:12:41 No, but irreco's in Extras and lirc works great. Mar 06 06:13:09 so one could record an IR remote on a PC and have the N900 play it back? Mar 06 06:13:19 Yeah Mar 06 06:13:24 nice Mar 06 06:13:24 It also includes a lot of remotes profiles, too. Mar 06 06:13:50 "It"? eh? didn't you just say it doesn't come with remote software? Mar 06 06:13:55 irreco, sorry. Mar 06 06:14:14 the repositories are your friend Mar 06 06:14:53 oh okay Mar 06 06:15:15 that explains the range of descriptions Mar 06 06:15:50 what about armour^H^H^H^H^H^H hard cases? does anyone make one yet? Mar 06 06:17:25 diamond... accept no substitutes Mar 06 06:17:46 takes a while to grow an artificial diamond into the correct shape, though Mar 06 06:18:17 heh Mar 06 06:18:18 oh speaking of fm rx is it posable to prevent it from disabling the internal speakers when the headphones are pluged in Mar 06 06:18:49 and... if you have to ask what it costs, you can't afford it Mar 06 06:19:30 CutMeOwnThroat: how about you take that whole top-of-the-world act and take it outside? Mar 06 06:20:08 top-of-the-world? but it's flat! Mar 06 06:20:26 diamond would not be a great case. Mar 06 06:20:29 It may shatter Mar 06 06:20:34 shamus, toggle the setting in the menu? Mar 06 06:20:41 o/ GeneralAntilles Mar 06 06:20:49 Howdy, crashanddie. Mar 06 06:20:54 has a n800 Mar 06 06:21:18 has yet to find such a seting in the menu Mar 06 06:21:46 shamus: are talking in third person on purpose? Mar 06 06:22:02 shamus, ah, well, download pycage's FM Radio application. Mar 06 06:22:50 oops sorry abotu talkign in 3rd persion Mar 06 06:23:03 the menu scrolls Mar 06 06:23:17 was rp ing in another room Mar 06 06:23:32 and frogot to switch tence Mar 06 06:25:31 they accept badly spelt English? Mar 06 06:26:38 yah well when you play sl for to long you pick up on typonease Mar 06 06:27:21 hmmm not much in the way of cases I see Mar 06 06:27:52 my typing is almost as bad as my handwrighting Mar 06 06:28:05 shamus: take your time to write, you have a full keyboard. Make an effort, it's a sign of respect towards those you converse with Mar 06 06:29:15 SpeedEvil, not eavilly err, easily... it's not very elastic, but having 4 carbon bonds/atom makes it extremely tough at least you can press them in many softer things: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardness_test#Microindentation_tests - I'm actually curious how such an object, i.e. case would really behave :) Mar 06 06:29:21 funny thing is my typing is better on the tuch screen. as yah have to slow down and type letter by letter Mar 06 06:31:41 CutMeOwnThroat: thoughness isn't the issue. I'd rather go with a titanium case than diamond, to be honest Mar 06 06:31:45 * shamus needs to slow down somtimes and read what is writen befor hitign enter Mar 06 06:32:54 crashanddie, maybe... admittedly a micrometer thick diamond-coating on the teeth would be more useful :) Mar 06 06:33:14 CutMeOwnThroat: you have some weird fetishes Mar 06 06:33:27 "no more holes" is a fetish? Mar 06 06:35:41 anyway, some day growing them artificially will become really cheap - after all it's just carbon Mar 06 06:36:19 it's a fetish when superglue is involved Mar 06 06:37:05 memo to self: never google that Mar 06 06:37:12 lol Mar 06 06:37:43 well, only the other day... Mar 06 06:37:53 but I'll mercifully shut up about it Mar 06 07:38:51 hello. I'm going to cebit and to use my n810 for demoing. What's a quick way to reset my device to factory defaults? Mar 06 07:39:43 reflash it? Mar 06 07:41:18 thought I could do without lowlevel stuff. but I guess I can simply clear all my personal data in the browser Mar 06 07:42:06 ohh you simply want to clear your history? Mar 06 07:42:54 a reflash is not that hard and is a sure fire way to get back to square 1 Mar 06 07:43:03 altho yah better have a backup Mar 06 07:43:24 and rember allways aplay one of the stock theams Mar 06 07:43:31 yes, made a backup. don't want to reflash. I tought there might be a hidden code like there is *7370# for nokia phones Mar 06 07:43:35 befor backign up Mar 06 07:44:10 thanks for your advice. I didn't tweak themes. I'll demo fennec Mar 06 07:44:53 but yah there is not reset to stock bution that i know of Mar 06 07:45:17 the reset to stock is hooking up usb and reinstaligj the os Mar 06 07:45:31 it purges all your apps ect Mar 06 07:45:41 ok thanks! Mar 06 08:21:24 cehteh: sorry, you've been right with integrated FM-RX/BT Mar 06 08:22:03 :P Mar 06 08:32:54 Hi ! Mar 06 08:33:21 apt-worker: Ignoring version from wrong domain < why ????? (HAM Log) Mar 06 08:33:29 why i got this error Mar 06 08:37:25 what are you trying to do? :P Mar 06 08:40:50 to update a packages which is available in extras Mar 06 08:41:02 with my own repository Mar 06 08:41:40 with the more recent one available in my own repository Mar 06 08:43:01 maybe your QA failed Mar 06 08:43:05 * cehteh runs Mar 06 08:43:24 QA ? Mar 06 08:45:15 .. Mar 06 08:49:27 so two solution if understand modify a fucking file to force my repo to be the master one ... Mar 06 08:49:49 or ask for trmove of my all package in all maemo repository Mar 06 08:50:21 latter one won't help Mar 06 08:50:29 cos then your users who has your app still won't be able to update :P Mar 06 08:50:37 hum ... yep true Mar 06 08:51:33 i don't see what your gripe with QA is - if you constantly need bugfixes or updates, there is probably a good reason to run through QA to help you find more and then the final result in Extras will be good Mar 06 08:51:45 * n00bmonk3y feels a bit tender..... Mar 06 08:53:14 hheh Mar 06 08:54:28 grrrr pulse-audio smells :( Mar 06 08:57:54 anyone know why adding pulseaudio-utils as a dependency doesnt work? - autobuilder thinks it is fine... But doesnt install it.... :( Mar 06 09:03:29 what does the word 'maemo' mean? And 'meego'? Mar 06 09:05:33 i like the indonesian example said in the forums Mar 06 09:05:42 sounds a bit like mi goreng - fried noodles Mar 06 09:05:47 i'm sticking by that 1 :D Mar 06 09:09:55 Thx stskeeps but my decision is clear ... Mar 06 09:10:33 bye ... today the work is to refince electrical board in my house :) Mar 06 09:10:44 lol Mar 06 09:10:46 sounds fun! Mar 06 09:27:10 so no-one else awake who has had pulse-audio issues? :( Mar 06 09:27:22 (Specifically as dependency) Mar 06 10:03:25 hm Mar 06 10:03:41 in xterm, if a prompt is showing Mar 06 10:03:56 xterm seems to abort whatever you answer Mar 06 10:06:06 or am I doing something wrong? Mar 06 10:06:09 http://pastebin.com/BseFrc79 Mar 06 10:07:05 that is random Mar 06 10:07:26 hm? Mar 06 10:07:31 is it running out of disk space, or saving it to an invalid place? Mar 06 10:08:02 hmm have you tried a capital Y? Mar 06 10:08:08 it does seem to be asking for one Mar 06 10:08:11 which is also random Mar 06 10:08:25 i've do it before, think i failed then Mar 06 10:08:29 can try again Mar 06 10:08:51 nope, failed again Mar 06 10:09:06 :| Mar 06 10:09:52 being in home/user isnt going to affect it? - or possibly permissions issues... but sorry really not sure Mar 06 10:11:45 the space isn't a problem, df -h says i've 1.6G free for applications (and 45M free on root if the package wouldn't be optified, but J'm sure it is) Mar 06 10:12:19 hm, guess i'll have to do it through package manager, even if doing it in xterm is easier Mar 06 10:14:19 sounds very odd :( Mar 06 10:16:10 would filing a bug report help, or is it just me that seems to have this problem? Mar 06 10:18:34 Won't know until you try :) Mar 06 10:19:10 * dregin tries to re-produce Mar 06 10:19:52 do ya not have to be in a root shell to install packages using apt-get?? Mar 06 10:20:00 yes Mar 06 10:20:03 I thought apt-get usually complained straight away otherwise Mar 06 10:20:12 it does Mar 06 10:20:16 /home/user # apt-get install koffice Mar 06 10:20:18 but i enabled root Mar 06 10:20:25 ok Mar 06 10:21:28 how did you enable root? Mar 06 10:21:34 add user to a specific group? Mar 06 10:21:37 suo gainroot ? :D Mar 06 10:21:39 sudo Mar 06 10:21:43 omfg i can't type Mar 06 10:22:28 sudo gainroot is correct Mar 06 10:22:36 k Mar 06 10:22:46 it's not aborting for me when I use a lower-case y Mar 06 10:22:53 (but you obv need to have rootsh installed too) Mar 06 10:22:59 hm Mar 06 10:23:08 odd Mar 06 10:24:12 yup odd :( Mar 06 10:24:22 try it with -y to see if intstalls then? Mar 06 10:28:06 that worked. o_o Mar 06 10:28:32 :D Mar 06 10:29:48 YEOW Mar 06 10:29:50 still though Mar 06 10:29:57 seems like an issue... Mar 06 10:30:08 anything at /var/log/dpkg.log? Mar 06 10:30:33 i can check when the install is done Mar 06 10:30:54 k Mar 06 10:32:22 is it possible to have my last few emails displayed on the desktop on the N900? Mar 06 10:32:23 cat: can't open '/var/log/dpkg.log': No such file or directory Mar 06 10:32:27 ah k Mar 06 10:32:29 same here Mar 06 10:32:41 thought it may hahve given you something in the circumstances Mar 06 11:00:05 N900 van Mar 06 11:00:22 N900 can't handle vimeo video :( Mar 06 11:01:21 thank goodnes i can copy the .flv out of temp dir now for later gapless playback in mplayer Mar 06 11:09:58 * n00bmonk3y blinks Mar 06 11:11:36 pupnik_: that just proves that flash sucks for not using native system libraries for video decoding Mar 06 11:14:37 I have played flv files with the native player, the only problem is that it don't list those files, you need to access the file from the file browser and it will use the default media player to play it Mar 06 11:17:01 hi Mar 06 11:17:36 hi Mar 06 11:17:55 *523 other says "hi"* Mar 06 11:18:04 hi Mar 06 11:18:35 :) Mar 06 11:18:47 hi Mar 06 11:19:33 meh meh meh Mar 06 11:20:33 * n00bmonk3y grumbles Mar 06 11:21:23 FIQ, you (probably) could have just pressed enter. capital letter (in this case "y") are only used to indicate default answer. Mar 06 11:21:41 of course that doesn't explain why "y" aborted in the first place Mar 06 11:21:58 ok Mar 06 11:38:41 sure does suck arachnist Mar 06 11:38:54 so why does everybody use POS flash? Mar 06 11:39:35 pupnik_: cause we're lemmings Mar 06 11:39:44 why do all the media heavy sites use it instead of giving us some reasonably standard encoded video not requiring a browser vm? Mar 06 11:40:05 Some guy in Espoo says "yxi kaxi kolme" and then we go buy his mobiles en masse Mar 06 11:41:26 pupnik_: cause they would not have users to display ads for? Mar 06 11:41:44 It's like ebay. Mar 06 11:41:57 It sucks in many ways - but for much, it's the only functional auction. Mar 06 11:42:08 pupnik_: and browser is the most common platform now. each system has it Mar 06 11:43:23 i got a problem Mar 06 11:43:25 pupnik_: imagine YT which require you to fetch/install app for using. will it work under xyz os? Mar 06 11:43:31 doesnt each system have .mpg playback? Mar 06 11:43:55 mpeg2 ? Mar 06 11:44:00 pupnik_: it's not only mpeg Mar 06 11:44:18 pupnik_: video delivery is not only what flash does Mar 06 11:45:27 SpeedEvil: HDR on N900? Any ideas? Mar 06 11:45:36 oh they need ads? Mar 06 11:45:53 where are they? i dont see ads here Mar 06 11:48:02 DocScrutinizer: not really looked. Mar 06 11:48:34 just heard HDR somewhere, and remembered your auto-shooter Mar 06 11:48:36 DocScrutinizer: there were a couple of threads on the forums IIRC, I didn't pay much attention. I do wish the datashet for the cam was available. Mar 06 11:49:03 DocScrutinizer: oh - not done anything about that - I was at the bottom of the dynamic range :) Mar 06 11:49:18 food time... Mar 06 11:51:01 SpeedEvil: yep. but basically as soon as you can control the cam (exposure time, apperture, etc) via script, I guess you could throw together a first raw POC easily. Then probably need some move-around to compensate the missing tripod Mar 06 11:51:33 anyone using the tear browser? Mar 06 11:51:41 there is no apature, it's just rolling shutter and gain Mar 06 11:58:37 hello agi Mar 06 11:59:45 ali hell Mar 06 12:00:05 ali hello Mar 06 12:00:39 Arif salam Mar 06 12:01:01 Good to see ya out Mar 06 12:01:03 :P Mar 06 12:01:46 dregin hello Mar 06 12:01:56 i think ari has the coolest rolling shutter pic i have ever seen Mar 06 12:02:23 :D Mar 06 12:02:40 ay am 20 Mar 06 12:03:04 pupnik_: yes. That ranks along with 'the coolest looking outhouse' Mar 06 12:03:41 airplane propeller Mar 06 12:03:53 yes speedvil Mar 06 12:05:43 aep hello Mar 06 12:06:15 how old are you Mar 06 12:07:16 New Healthcheck version in extras devel - with shiny new icon thanks to kopt3 Mar 06 12:07:33 what is healthcheck? Mar 06 12:07:48 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45453 Mar 06 12:08:24 hello Doclhome Mar 06 12:09:39 how old are you ? Mar 06 12:09:49 ho old is who? Mar 06 12:10:13 ay am 20 Mar 06 12:10:39 :) Mar 06 12:18:43 is there a tool in maemo5 for checking available dbus methods/objects? Mar 06 12:19:18 ooo yes ish Mar 06 12:19:23 downloaded one from extras devel Mar 06 12:19:37 not tried it yet - but there is one there Mar 06 12:19:53 Milo-: mdbus2 Mar 06 12:20:06 DocScrutinizer is that in devel? Mar 06 12:20:11 yep Mar 06 12:20:16 ok Mar 06 12:20:19 or qdbusviewer - the one i had i think Mar 06 12:20:21 better enable devel for while Mar 06 12:20:36 (Just loaded it, seems ok, simple though :) ) Mar 06 12:21:05 since nokia doesn't like to documentate their dbus features, you will have to guess :P Mar 06 12:21:23 yes :-/ Mar 06 12:22:15 any particular one you want? :D Mar 06 12:22:29 yes, /com/nokia/csd/call Mar 06 12:22:42 Milo-: you can make calls through telepathy Mar 06 12:22:51 no I don't want to make cal Mar 06 12:22:53 calls* Mar 06 12:23:00 I want to catch those events Mar 06 12:24:05 hmmm Mar 06 12:24:13 quite alot on it, but more how to make a call Mar 06 12:24:15 how to hangup etc Mar 06 12:24:38 yes, I want to be able to autoaccept calls from certain people Mar 06 12:24:43 or autoignore them :) Mar 06 12:25:03 http://maemocentral.com/2010/02/22/how-to-block-unwanted-callers-on-the-n900/ ? Mar 06 12:25:10 I know Mar 06 12:25:16 that's not exactly what I want Mar 06 12:25:24 I don't want some hidden daemon somewhere written in python Mar 06 12:25:27 oh you awnt the opposit Mar 06 12:25:29 e Mar 06 12:25:43 making my own version using Qt and dbus Mar 06 12:25:52 so user can actually configure it without touching source code Mar 06 12:25:56 to make it look a bit more safe Mar 06 12:27:10 want to try to make a qt desktop widget Mar 06 12:27:14 heard those are now possible Mar 06 12:27:24 sorry dont have a clue :( Mar 06 12:27:46 http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/02/24/qt-for-maemo-5-home-screen-widgets/ Mar 06 12:29:20 Milo-: naah. command-line-widget, and zenity. Problem solved. :) Mar 06 12:29:52 :) Mar 06 12:30:11 milo hello Mar 06 12:30:17 tarlan hello Mar 06 12:31:07 how old are you? Mar 06 12:31:26 like 22 Mar 06 12:32:08 like 29 Mar 06 12:32:46 where are you from ? :) Mar 06 12:32:52 mdbus2 is also in testing Mar 06 12:33:10 vote for it to be promoted to extras Mar 06 12:33:13 food... Mar 06 12:33:24 go on milo Mar 06 12:34:04 hrw|n900 I'll test it first Mar 06 12:34:10 tarlan finland Mar 06 12:34:55 ay live in Baku ;) Mar 06 12:35:13 * n00bmonk3y goes to play with mbus Mar 06 12:35:48 ay live in Azerbaijan 8-) Mar 06 12:35:53 ay? Mar 06 12:36:29 * n00bmonk3y can't find mbus2? Mar 06 12:36:36 mdbus2 even Mar 06 12:37:06 ooo another one called d-feet in there too Mar 06 12:37:12 glad tomeet you Mar 06 12:37:26 Milo-: you can observe calls via telepathy, and then answer them or hang them up Mar 06 12:37:29 milo go on Mar 06 12:38:14 milo ..... Mar 06 12:38:21 huh? Mar 06 12:38:32 ? Mar 06 12:38:40 tarlon = fruit loop ;) Mar 06 12:38:42 Milo-: there's a Telepathy-Qt4 binding Mar 06 12:38:47 omg i can't type today Mar 06 12:39:17 Robot101 I might have to look into that :> Mar 06 12:39:41 milo my is Tarlan 8-) Mar 06 12:40:04 tarlan are you asking something? Mar 06 12:40:08 Milo-: what you want to do is implement an observer for streamed media channels (what telepathy calls all calls) Mar 06 12:40:16 :'( Mar 06 12:40:38 Robot101 ah, then it is most likely exactly what I am looking for :) Mar 06 12:40:45 yet another video download that media player chokes on... Mar 06 12:40:49 milo yes Mar 06 12:40:54 Milo-: then you can poke them to answer it or hang it up or whatever Mar 06 12:41:20 tarlan - we can not understand what you are on about? you need to speak clearly Mar 06 12:41:22 milo ay love you Mar 06 12:41:29 from Vimeo. and mplayer can only play it back when bypassing pulseaudio VIDEO: [VP6F] 640x480 0bpp 23.976 fps 539.9 kbps (65.9 kbyte/s) Mar 06 12:41:29 * n00bmonk3y laughs Mar 06 12:41:30 already Mar 06 12:41:41 I know I am a lovable person, put that is pretty sudden Mar 06 12:41:50 tarlan: that's enough Mar 06 12:41:57 * n00bmonk3y wants Milo's babies.... i feel a fight coming on lol ;) Mar 06 12:42:05 n00bmonk3y aww :> Mar 06 12:42:14 * Arif_ blinks Mar 06 12:42:21 please take it to a junior high school channel Mar 06 12:42:25 haha Mar 06 12:42:36 whos taking whos babies Mar 06 12:42:39 noone wants to make babies with milo :( Mar 06 12:42:40 tarlan: /join #defocus Mar 06 12:43:09 Milo-, not if you're looking on IRC :P Mar 06 12:43:41 crashanddie: ++ Mar 06 12:43:52 lol Mar 06 12:43:55 crashanddie thats enough Mar 06 12:44:06 so i can get about 15 seconds of quiet audio playback with pasuspender -- mplayer -fs -nocache -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 -vo xv:ck-method=auto -lavdopts fast:skiploopfilter=nonref -quiet Mar 06 12:44:13 lol tarlan telling off crashanddie? random! Mar 06 12:44:37 Arif_ :P Mar 06 12:44:42 then for some reason audio cuts out Mar 06 12:44:45 milo ay love you Mar 06 12:44:51 feel free Mar 06 12:44:58 +o crashanddie Mar 06 12:45:04 pupnik_, maybe it got confused from the 5 mile command you gave it :P Mar 06 12:45:11 * DocScrutinizer apreciates his ignore list Mar 06 12:45:33 * Arif_ adds *!*@* to DocScrutinizer's ignore list Mar 06 12:45:55 DocScrutinizer: lol? Mar 06 12:46:07 lol Mar 06 12:46:16 IRC looks so weird when you ahve people on ignore Mar 06 12:46:17 :D Mar 06 12:46:22 does it? Mar 06 12:46:26 yeah, it gets annoying Mar 06 12:46:26 yes Mar 06 12:46:26 Arif where are you from ? Mar 06 12:46:34 n00bmonk3y: people look like they're talking to themselves :P Mar 06 12:46:39 ooo Arif, i think Tarlan wants you now ;) Mar 06 12:46:44 not if you take care to get enough of those on it Mar 06 12:46:45 ASL? Mar 06 12:46:50 gd point dregin Mar 06 12:46:53 I'm not sure Mar 06 12:46:54 :O Mar 06 12:47:05 omg havnt heard the words asl since i was about 12 Mar 06 12:47:10 But I just ordered Head-Direct RE0s Mar 06 12:47:18 :D Mar 06 12:47:19 n00bmonk3y: and you're 13 now? Mar 06 12:47:33 * n00bmonk3y sets out the handbags at ten paces...... Mar 06 12:47:33 milo Mar 06 12:47:33 milo ha ha ha Mar 06 12:47:38 kewl, mdbus2 segfaulted when my phone rang.. Mar 06 12:47:38 ;) Mar 06 12:47:43 lol Mar 06 12:47:52 awwww Mar 06 12:47:56 :P Mar 06 12:47:57 the entertainment :( Mar 06 12:47:58 is PR1.2 out already? Mar 06 12:47:59 :P Mar 06 12:48:15 tarlan: please stop disrupting the channel, send me a PM whenever you're ready to make sense Mar 06 12:48:16 Arif_ - i think certain people are testing releases of it Mar 06 12:48:20 ok the alternative to get audible sound on this borderline VP6F video is to drop the pasuspender and enable hard-framedropping Mar 06 12:48:36 n00bmonk3y, like who ? :D Mar 06 12:48:59 meh read spmeones blog saying he was testing it last night Mar 06 12:49:04 someones* Mar 06 12:49:16 I want my search fixed, damnit! Mar 06 12:49:20 lol Mar 06 12:49:32 it's not fun scrolling through 3000 songs to find something you want Mar 06 12:49:32 ! Mar 06 12:49:43 yeah tis a pain and i only have 110 Mar 06 12:50:03 apparently its fixed....but there's no new FW Mar 06 12:50:05 :p Mar 06 12:50:16 they should just release all the packages serperately... Mar 06 12:50:20 ahhhh we must wait like good little customers Mar 06 12:50:26 Arif_: I heard that if you put on random Mar 06 12:50:40 and then? Mar 06 12:50:47 it plays randomly? :P Mar 06 12:50:47 Arif_: and then think of the song you want, the 4th skip will be the right one Mar 06 12:50:54 lol Mar 06 12:51:02 now you say that Mar 06 12:51:06 I sometimes have that :D Mar 06 12:51:13 whenever I think of a song it shows up when I press next Mar 06 12:51:14 =P Mar 06 12:54:08 Robot101 is there a package for telepathy-qt4 bindings? Mar 06 12:54:12 or is it installed by default? Mar 06 12:54:28 not sure off the top of my head, I'm pretty sure they should be in maemo extras or something Mar 06 12:54:38 http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2010/03/04/google-kills-bambi/ Mar 06 12:54:43 meh, again in devel maye Mar 06 12:54:44 maybe* Mar 06 12:55:54 ffs, this internet connection is crap Mar 06 12:56:06 20 seconds to buffer one second worth of video Mar 06 12:56:12 and it's not even HD Mar 06 12:56:33 56k \o/ Mar 06 12:57:01 Robot101 not in devel either Mar 06 12:57:10 who killed bambi? Mar 06 12:57:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUM7jl8S5AU Mar 06 12:58:50 hmmmmm just need to figure out the evil py2deb and bugtracker.... and the the pulseaudio-utils and my app is ready.... :( Mar 06 13:04:42 is there a way to launch media player from command-line and pass it options or get feedback? Mar 06 13:05:05 right now i am seeing * * * * * ... Mar 06 13:05:29 when launching from file browser Mar 06 13:09:28 hello Mar 06 13:11:13 :-) Mar 06 13:16:20 lo Mar 06 13:19:42 and there appears no way for mplayer to scan this .flv container and just extract the audio. -vo null still yields overruns cause it is decoding all the video frames Mar 06 13:19:55 underruns Mar 06 13:23:58 http://gizmodo.com/5365299/courier-first-details-of-microsofts-secret-tablet << what happend to M$? .. sleek design Mar 06 13:24:36 cehteh: They let Zune people design it Mar 06 13:24:47 nah exactly opposite Mar 06 13:25:00 i admit that thing doesnt look bad Mar 06 13:25:12 Wait, the thing does look bulky Mar 06 13:25:16 now if it wont be M$ and it would run linux i'd like it even more Mar 06 13:25:27 Not ugly, this will come later as you get to see and touch faux metal Mar 06 13:25:35 well lets wait for more technical data about it Mar 06 13:25:45 * RST38h has seen Nokia's netbook in a store yesterday Mar 06 13:26:08 probably .. i wont buy it anyways .. but it looks quite much better than 90% of all other M$ products which makes me wonder Mar 06 13:26:09 Pretty ugly, but seems to be made of metal which saves it Mar 06 13:26:31 maybe they outsourced the design :P Mar 06 13:27:02 cehteh, those are renders.... Mar 06 13:27:34 yes and? .. the real device will prolly look close to it Mar 06 13:27:38 The courier is vapourware bullshit that Microsoft are using to try and dent iPad sales whilst they struggle to come up with something real Mar 06 13:27:41 first n900 pics where also renders Mar 06 13:27:47 Which will look and behave absolutely nothing like the courier Mar 06 13:28:16 hey .. i dont adore M$ .. just the design surprised me thats all Mar 06 13:28:30 Yes, it's as bold, rediculous and unlikely as any concept car Mar 06 13:28:55 somehow, I think someone should check their website to see if it works before going live Mar 06 13:28:56 Oh well Mar 06 13:28:57 there is an mplayer with dsp accel from the beagleboard era Mar 06 13:29:05 But, hey, at least Microsoft are finally eating their own words and admitting that Windows on a tablet is futile Mar 06 13:29:10 cehteh: Not much interesting in the design, although it does look clean. In a rendering. Mar 06 13:29:11 The video made it look good anyway Mar 06 13:29:12 Random Quote from Ralph Waldo Emerson: "[an error occurred while processing this directive]" Mar 06 13:29:14 funny, hostname is still Nokia-N900-42-11 Mar 06 13:29:27 will something break if I change the hostname? Mar 06 13:29:52 Oh, WashPost finally notices it Mar 06 13:29:56 How cute Mar 06 13:30:18 The software interface part that is Mar 06 13:30:29 That is a demo. Disregard. Mar 06 13:30:42 The final device will have Win7 desktop. Or two. :) Mar 06 13:30:55 RST38h, hahaha, face, meet palm Mar 06 13:30:57 hehe Mar 06 13:31:27 Microsoft have a track record of sheer crap in the mobile device arena, and even the Xbox 360 and Xbox are horrible Mar 06 13:31:40 That said if you don't look at the Xbox 360, it's a good games console Mar 06 13:32:00 Microsoft rock at Mice/Keyboards though Mar 06 13:32:11 + they make pregnant keyboard that make my brain boil Mar 06 13:32:25 * RST38h absolutely hates having to type on these Mar 06 13:32:26 Haha, you mean those ergonomic ones? Mar 06 13:32:35 I hate the bumpy boomerang ergonomic ones Mar 06 13:32:39 they are great Mar 06 13:32:43 i already regret starting this talk .. i only wanted to point out that they stopped to make barbie like toy design for that device, not argueing about OS and usability, freedon, usefulness or whatever Mar 06 13:32:45 yea, these are the pregnant ones Mar 06 13:32:49 But I have a bluetooth keyboard from them which has the same angle and split, without the bump, it isn't bad Mar 06 13:32:56 never had any wrist pain with those Mar 06 13:33:03 cehteh: Teaches you well =) Mar 06 13:33:24 cehteh, agreed, which makes me think even more that it's vapour Mar 06 13:33:42 cehteh: At least you have not raised the question of iPad design being cool, imagine the backlash... Mar 06 13:33:47 no i dont even want to discuss if its vapor or not :) Mar 06 13:34:05 Did they actually design the iPad, or put the components together and say "done!" Mar 06 13:34:38 i'd like the M$ foldable more than the ipad i think .. until some sand coins or something else gets between the displays prolly Mar 06 13:34:54 cehteh: weight. Mar 06 13:34:55 Gadgetoid: they just scaled the iphone up :) Mar 06 13:35:05 Yea, they blew up the iphone Mar 06 13:35:10 cehteh, and hybridized it with the iMac styling Mar 06 13:35:14 did not even change the ui Mar 06 13:35:22 Technically they did change the UI Mar 06 13:35:37 RST38h: Whats that you say, your going to blow up an iPhone? MAKE SURE YOU FILM IT. :P Mar 06 13:35:52 *cleans out his ears* Mar 06 13:35:55 I will be grabbing an iPad as soon as I can, only way I'll get to review cases/accessories for it Mar 06 13:36:07 hmhm Mar 06 13:36:17 are repositories down? Mar 06 13:36:21 0% [1 python2.5-sip4 15579/85,3kB 18%] 721B/s 47min5s Mar 06 13:36:54 wake me when they are up :P Mar 06 13:37:42 Gadgetoid: Sounds more like you have an iPad lust and are justifing your polygamy but saying your need to review cases and accessories. Mar 06 13:37:49 by saying* Mar 06 13:37:53 you need* Mar 06 13:37:56 damn it Mar 06 13:38:40 btw Mar 06 13:38:48 Termana, I don't deny having iPad lust, and am certain I'll buy one, I'm just justifying the early adoption Mar 06 13:38:56 which I am almost certain I'll be burned for Mar 06 13:39:22 i am certain that i dont want one Mar 06 13:39:40 ipad doesnt need us :) Mar 06 13:40:10 I just hope the makers of Settlers add a free play mode and a full resolution port for the iPad Mar 06 13:40:15 color e-ink is on the horizon ... in a few years you get sunlight readable, foldable. color displays Mar 06 13:40:59 cehteh e-paper from Caprica (the series) ftw Mar 06 13:41:00 <_strcpy> anybody else have problem with "desktop command exec widget" too? hildon hangs and crash after loading it... Mar 06 13:42:34 cehteh, http://www.littlespringsdesign.com/images/blogimages/caprica-paper/caprica-qt.jpg obligatory crappy picture Mar 06 13:43:31 doesnt look very usable Mar 06 13:43:58 _strcpy: havent figured out how to work it - it shows "error" here Mar 06 13:44:05 take a newspaper and try to press things on it Mar 06 13:44:21 * RST38h tried that long time ago Mar 06 13:44:45 newspaper is pretty poor quality paper Mar 06 13:45:16 <_strcpy> pupnik_, I don`t get any error. first I managed to config it but later as soon as I add it to desktop , hildon dies Mar 06 13:46:12 i added commands i needed to ~/.profile shortcuts and launch from terminal Mar 06 13:46:32 <_strcpy> me looking for a trick to get my external IP Mar 06 13:50:15 _strcpy: http://www.whatismyip.com/ Mar 06 13:50:45 <_strcpy> lbt, there are lot`s of ways to get it manually , but no quick widget :) Mar 06 13:51:29 well you asked for an 'external' IP Mar 06 13:51:32 <_strcpy> a mix of wget & grep do the work too , but only if "exec" widget don`t piss of hildon :p Mar 06 13:52:39 I'd start with the homeip widget if I were you Mar 06 13:52:44 it's trivial to edit Mar 06 13:52:51 python Mar 06 13:52:56 <_strcpy> not work here :/ Mar 06 13:53:07 why do you use ` instead of '? Mar 06 13:53:08 what? homeip? Mar 06 13:53:30 <_strcpy> yea home-ip and few other widgets are NOT added when I add them to desktop. have no idea why Mar 06 13:53:56 <_strcpy> on latest update/upgraded n900 , just to note Mar 06 13:54:47 <_strcpy> does it require any modification before first use? Mar 06 13:54:55 worksforme Mar 06 13:55:29 <_strcpy> over latest firmware/update? Mar 06 13:55:44 yes Mar 06 13:55:56 <_strcpy> let me remove/re-install it. maybe works.. Mar 06 13:56:20 <_strcpy> is "desktop command exec" working for you too? Mar 06 13:56:38 not tried Mar 06 13:56:48 <_strcpy> can you please give it a try ? Mar 06 13:56:54 <_strcpy> just install and add it. Mar 06 13:56:59 point me to a wiki page :) Mar 06 13:58:19 "Hey, let's execute commands that some guy on IRC tells me to" Mar 06 13:58:32 * lbt does that all the time Mar 06 13:58:40 what could possibly go wrong? Mar 06 13:58:43 lol Mar 06 13:58:58 "I've seen it work in a comic once"? =p Mar 06 13:59:05 heh :) Mar 06 13:59:07 indeed Mar 06 13:59:22 "Don't worry, you'll be fine; I saw it work in a cartoon once..." Mar 06 13:59:42 you know how in police shows the geeks always uberkill everything? Mar 06 13:59:47 you are of course allowed to correct my meta-citation Mar 06 14:00:06 (I had to check) Mar 06 14:00:52 I'd love for once, just once, having the though cop call the geek, and ask "JD [or whatever stupid nickname] there seems to be a two hundred forty eight bits with dual polarity applied to this laptop, can you do anything with it?" Mar 06 14:01:13 and the geek go "Have you tried turning it off and on again?" Mar 06 14:01:34 I mean, just once Mar 06 14:02:07 they can slip "I'll go write a visual basic app and see if I can get an IP address" into the dialogue, surely we, using limited amounts of social engineering can get something like that in NCIS, right? Mar 06 14:03:56 stop watching idiot tv :) Mar 06 14:04:07 i am going through these economics lectures http://www.fff.org/classroom/libertylecture.html Mar 06 14:04:30 but have to use -vo null Mar 06 14:06:14 crashanddie, try being a forensic anthropologist and watching bones Mar 06 14:07:13 Gadgetoid: oh yeah, I'm sure you must be splitting one when they get the size of the bullet from a fractured skull Mar 06 14:07:42 bullet from fractured skull isn't _complete_ bullshit. Mar 06 14:07:54 Gadgetoid: but then again, Bones' plot is vaguely interesting Mar 06 14:07:54 Actually I just masturbate every time they use the magical 3d visualizer Mar 06 14:08:38 Gadgetoid: yeah. Producer: 'I want a holodeck'. Science advisor: Mar 06 14:08:53 SpeedEvil: maybe not, but any good lawyer could throw that out of a courtroom. Mar 06 14:09:14 I like that the show does that, they don't even pretend that anything is based on any real science, they just lark about Mar 06 14:09:18 And blow shit up! Mar 06 14:09:35 mythbusters? Mar 06 14:09:37 And blowing shit up makes up for it all! Mar 06 14:09:43 Gadgetoid: yes. At least on star-trek - there is - pretty much unashamed admission it's technowank. Mar 06 14:10:03 And only the hardcorest of fanboys actually care about the (inconsistent) science. Mar 06 14:10:13 "So you collected a skull that has been sitting in a pond for two years, re-assembled the pieces, and are able to tell me that it was a 9 mil pistol that was used for the murder? And that links you to my client?" Mar 06 14:10:22 Better than "six weeks later: we have got the results in, apparently we now have inconclusive evidence that there might possibly may have been trace amounts of unobtainium on his shirt" Mar 06 14:11:04 In some ways - well done fantasy shows - say Buffy - can be more self-consistent than CSI. Mar 06 14:11:05 Gadgetoid: please don't rip off xkcd :P Mar 06 14:11:54 Busted! Mar 06 14:12:11 That's what you go to school for? Mar 06 14:12:12 well, after season 3, lesbian-library chick, uber-library-chief-turned-hardcore-magician and spike were the only things that kept me watching it Mar 06 14:12:14 * RST38h yawns and suggests watching stuff completely unrelated to reality. Like DrWho. Mar 06 14:12:43 oh, and the quote in Buffy: "I've googled till I couldn't google no more" (which in my book, is the first reference to Google as a verb) Mar 06 14:12:44 Pfff, Buffy's sister ftw! Mar 06 14:12:49 crashanddie: Just switch to Xena and do away with the librarian and spike Mar 06 14:13:10 is there any news on the psx emu? Mar 06 14:13:17 I accidentally googles? Mar 06 14:13:31 nha, xena was too difficult to watch, I kept imagining cross-overs with ER after the chick went intern Mar 06 14:13:43 the sidekick chick, that is Mar 06 14:13:53 fiq just a december update for iphone. and a slow one running here Mar 06 14:14:10 FIQ, yeah, it's on the Pandora :D Mar 06 14:14:14 Which is coming in Two Years Mar 06 14:14:15 RST38h: james marsters' performance in torchwood was actually pretty good Mar 06 14:14:16 pupnik: BTW, is it possible to compile PCSX straight from the source or does it require binary-only 3d plugins? Mar 06 14:14:39 can cimpile from source. i did a little gtk tweaking Mar 06 14:14:47 pandora.. Mar 06 14:14:48 crashanddie: Torchwood shows at inopportune time for me and I do not like it enough to download the torrent Mar 06 14:14:59 pupnik: Nice =) Mar 06 14:15:01 New maemo video http://420stars.info/watch?v=AksDp2 Mar 06 14:15:14 what about Keegz Mar 06 14:15:20 RST38h: definitely worth it, it gives you the same pace as dr who, but it with a much more adult feel to it Mar 06 14:15:38 crashanddie: I watched at least 2/3 of it when itr was showing the last time, on tv Mar 06 14:15:47 crashanddie; naah, it is no DrWho Mar 06 14:15:47 crashanddie, and it has gay kissing! Mar 06 14:15:48 psx-emu + sixais + tv-out = win Mar 06 14:16:02 RST38h: said the same pace, not the same Mar 06 14:16:08 PSX emu on the mythical Pandora = win :D Mar 06 14:16:19 Gadgetoid: so? Mar 06 14:16:43 crashanddie, I'm sure there are some who would watch it for that alone! Mar 06 14:17:21 Gadgetoid: it's the only frikking show where they actually show men kissing, rather than hiding it in subtext so complex that even the actors don't get it, or make it so overly queer that it's not far removed from hollyoaks Mar 06 14:17:44 hm, there's a ps emulator for ds Mar 06 14:17:47 crashanddie, it's the only frikking show that has John Barrowman, a man so hot that even straight men want to see him kissing another guy Mar 06 14:17:48 * RST38h isn't sure why men kissing is such an attraction Mar 06 14:18:02 ~Gadgetoid++ Mar 06 14:18:19 it playa 7-8 games! Mar 06 14:19:08 hiya, how would i fix/recover apt-get / dpkg from doing a bad installation?? something went wrong when i tried installing samba-common Mar 06 14:19:13 * fnordianslip just had interesting experience with n900. i'd just started to play a Rocketboom video in mediaplayer, with my bluetooth headphones connected, when things started getting really bogged down, with audio stutters and glitchy video. i switched to the desktop and noticed a missed call notification. the call must have come in just as the video was starting. anyone else seen this? Mar 06 14:19:19 FIQ: Ok. What do we all have to do with that? Mar 06 14:19:34 nothing Mar 06 14:19:39 fnordianslip: Sounds right Mar 06 14:19:43 FIQ: Good. Make conclusions. Mar 06 14:20:32 anyway Mar 06 14:20:51 why is the default font for n900 named some weird chars? Mar 06 14:20:51 RST38h: yeah, the outcome could have been worse, so i can live with it. i'd like to think that some future platform changes might improve this kind of behaviour though. Mar 06 14:20:55 fnordianslip: Now, if you started experiencing regular audio stuttering and video bog downs, I would say it is bug #6382 Mar 06 14:21:00 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382 Device becomes sluggish after several days Mar 06 14:21:00 MHeiGB18030C-Medium Light 20 Mar 06 14:21:08 "ok" Mar 06 14:22:12 A South Korean couple was arrested for starving their baby to death, reportedly only feeding her once a day after marathon sessions at an internet cafe. What was keeping them so busy? Their virtual baby. Mar 06 14:22:25 RST38h: because homosexuality (and I'm not talking about the long-term couple relationships between men, just man to man sexuality) has been part of our culture since the beginning of times. The romans accepted it, the greeks accepted it, it was very common during renaissance and highly depicted during 18th century litterature... It's only with the advent of church, religion, and over the last 50 years having "queer" being syno Mar 06 14:22:29 last i heard was one guy working on getting some derivative of pete's oGL gpu plugin integrated with psx4all, but no news in ages. Mar 06 14:22:31 Mar 06 14:23:09 we have culture? Mar 06 14:23:12 crashanddie: Yes, but what is so interesting about it/ Mar 06 14:23:25 nothing, it's just refreshing to see it shown naturally Mar 06 14:23:30 RST38h: don't think i have a bug-6382-like issue. in fact, i've just hit 6.5 days uptime which is probably my best yet, since I learned to keep an eye on tonegend and not leave the browser running all day. Mar 06 14:23:47 crashanddie: If they have shown bestiality or necrophilia, on TV, at prime time, that would get me [morbidly] interested Mar 06 14:23:47 and, kinda hot I guess, when depicted correctly Mar 06 14:24:16 http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/05/entelligence-will-android-fragmentation-destroy-the-platform/?s=t5 Mar 06 14:24:18 fnordianslip, that's uptime without restarting? Mar 06 14:24:25 crashanddie: But guys kissing? So fucking what? I have observed Brezhnev kissing other heads of state for the first 8 years of my life Mar 06 14:24:26 yep Mar 06 14:24:30 and so it begins in android camp Mar 06 14:24:31 fnordianslip, recharging, meant! :) Mar 06 14:24:37 oh no Mar 06 14:24:58 RST38h: again, you may be focusing on your own experiences, as you self-centerdly always do. Mar 06 14:25:06 RST38h, what about two, dead, male horses kissing? Mar 06 14:25:10 crashanddie: Of course Mar 06 14:25:28 Gadgetoid: two dead female horses using live kitten as a dildo Mar 06 14:25:42 fnordianslip, then you mean you've been able to keep the phone up for almost a week? That doesn't sound terribly impressive to me.. Mar 06 14:25:52 no way. i seem to get from 9am until 9-12pm without even thinking of recharging it, most days, unless tonegend of the browser has started eating charge. Mar 06 14:26:28 fnordianslip: Just in case, check how well camera works. If you see long delays when making pictures, you have hit the sluggish bug Mar 06 14:26:50 but that may include 6 hours of music listening over bluetooth. i rarely even remember i have a camera, let alone use it Mar 06 14:27:00 dejavu sans isn't in the repos? Mar 06 14:27:07 fnordianslip: same here Mar 06 14:27:21 But sometimes, when I do remember about it, I am in for an unpleasant surprise =( Mar 06 14:27:40 same RST38h Mar 06 14:27:44 audio stability is pretty poor though Mar 06 14:28:24 pupnik: Got any POP3 accounts enabled ? Mar 06 14:28:45 i've found killing browser/browserd helps when mine goes all grumpy and unresponsive Mar 06 14:29:04 no. just opened lens cover and waited 22 secdonds to see camera appear. but picture snap worked Mar 06 14:29:22 pupnik: Oh yes, that is the bug. Please comment / vote on it Mar 06 14:29:32 pupnik: Reboot makes it quick again, doesn't it? Mar 06 14:30:13 and photo appeared in photos this time - with tracker disabled Mar 06 14:30:24 my camera app opens instantly and snap is normal, so seems ok here Mar 06 14:30:39 pupnik: Camera may explicitely run the tracker on its own Mar 06 14:30:39 i would need to test more consistently Mar 06 14:30:46 ah ty Mar 06 14:31:11 pupnik: If you can, try finding out what the difference between freshly rebooted and 7-days-old device is Mar 06 14:31:28 pupnik: I have not been able to find any differences. All the stats appear to be the same Mar 06 14:31:38 tracker updates during music playing is a bit of a pain. and panucci playback over bluetooth fails and will not resume when email notifications, etc, occur Mar 06 14:31:43 pupnik: My current suspicion falls onto the swap use Mar 06 14:33:13 got python installed RST38h ? Mar 06 14:33:29 could be. all of my music is on the emmc Mar 06 14:33:50 pupnik: no Mar 06 14:34:19 pupnik: Basically, there is only one bottleneck that may cause this without bringing up CPU activity or memory use meters Mar 06 14:34:24 i wonder if shifting swap to the usdhc card might help Mar 06 14:34:28 pupnik: It is disk activity to the eMMC Mar 06 14:35:01 pupnik: Really thin, slow pipe. Any spike in traffic overloads it, swap use included Mar 06 14:35:39 RST38h: ^^^ ? Mar 06 14:35:49 what? Mar 06 14:35:57 i wonder if shifting swap to the usdhc card might help Mar 06 14:36:01 No idea, try Mar 06 14:36:17 * RST38h is not exactly sure if two eMMC cards have got separate datapaths Mar 06 14:36:32 it does loo like swap. 2nd camera open brought image preview in 1 second Mar 06 14:38:49 try making pictures - I am getting 15s-30s delays when making a picture Mar 06 14:40:31 RST38h, have you corrupted your memory card then, or is it a tracker db problem perhaps> Mar 06 14:40:49 lcuk: My card appears to be ok. Not sure about tracker db. Mar 06 14:40:58 i saw that before RST38h but right now it is only 1.5 seconds Mar 06 14:41:00 lcuk: The problem occurs after 6-7 days of use. Reboot fixes it. Mar 06 14:41:05 you can delete it pretty easily RST38h Mar 06 14:41:13 crashanddie: how? =) Mar 06 14:41:37 lcuk: Looks like disabling POP3 account in Modest made it better btw Mar 06 14:41:55 RST38h: tracker-processes --hard-reset' Mar 06 14:42:02 lol RST38h Mar 06 14:42:02 er, without the quote at the end Mar 06 14:42:40 crashanddie: ah cool, making a note, will try it next time slowdown occurs =) Mar 06 14:50:15 crashanddie, you dont sleep anymore Mar 06 14:50:31 hi all Mar 06 14:50:46 i have some problems on my n900 Mar 06 14:51:10 it does not connect to wifi wpa eap networks... Mar 06 14:51:51 it says "authentication filed,retry?" Mar 06 14:52:11 I have a wpa eap network Mar 06 14:52:13 works fine Mar 06 14:52:23 TLS? Mar 06 14:52:27 yes Mar 06 14:52:33 just using the certificate Mar 06 14:52:43 me too Mar 06 14:52:51 but it does not work Mar 06 14:53:03 well, your cert needs to be imported to the certificate manager, with a password set Mar 06 14:53:13 it'll ask for that pass again for wifi Mar 06 14:53:16 i've seen that there is a ticket about that on maemo site Mar 06 14:53:28 i know that Mar 06 14:53:34 the password storage? yes, been fixed Mar 06 14:53:37 in 5.1.1 Mar 06 14:53:58 no, about wpa eap tls Mar 06 14:54:14 * satmd deletes his connection and sets it up again Mar 06 14:54:23 anyway i've installed the certificate (.p12) Mar 06 14:54:48 i've setted the password Mar 06 14:54:56 how do i find out whats keeping ksoftirqd eating up two of my four cores every few seconds? Mar 06 14:55:03 lcuk: not much these days Mar 06 14:55:14 oops, wrong chan, sorry :) Mar 06 14:55:21 hunger? Mar 06 14:55:36 (mhmh, maemo-devices with four cores.. yikes ;) Mar 06 14:55:50 I just retried and it worked Mar 06 14:55:55 can you tell me the bug number? Mar 06 14:56:23 7764 Mar 06 14:56:40 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7764 Mar 06 14:56:41 Bug 7764: WPA-EAP authentication fails with *any* expired certificate Mar 06 14:58:14 hm Mar 06 14:59:48 that's a different bug than I expected Mar 06 14:59:51 hm Mar 06 15:04:02 satmd, so i have to wait until the next update of maemo? Mar 06 15:04:16 I dunno Mar 06 15:04:22 hm Mar 06 15:04:27 that bug says about internal investigation Mar 06 15:04:44 so maybe nokia fixes it in the next release Mar 06 15:04:57 i hope Mar 06 15:05:32 wasn't there a repo somewhere that stored all the bugfixes patches that could be installed with simple "apt-get upgrade"? Mar 06 15:06:41 yeah, for debian Mar 06 15:07:44 but btw... I would have expected expired certificates to fail, because that is the POINT of expiry dates Mar 06 15:07:52 so the title of that bug is a little misleading Mar 06 15:08:38 certificates should fail for more than expired date Mar 06 15:08:57 and the expiry date on certificates has always been more of a management guideline more than a security feature Mar 06 15:09:21 my certificate has not expired Mar 06 15:09:28 hhmhm, i disagree, expiracy isn't there just for management Mar 06 15:10:05 a stolen certificate with limited lifetime can do limited damage Mar 06 15:10:13 not everyone uses crls Mar 06 15:10:20 and not every service actually uses them Mar 06 15:10:42 Otacon22Uni: yeah, your cert probably has not expired... I just said the bug description is misleading Mar 06 15:10:53 (hoping for more people to look at it) Mar 06 15:10:54 CRLs and OCSP is what PKI is based on, if not for them, certificates are worthless Mar 06 15:11:17 crashanddie: openssl verify by default does not check them Mar 06 15:11:27 e.g. in scripts Mar 06 15:12:07 anyway now i'm not where there is that network,but as soon as possibile i will try to connect by shell with wpa_supplicant Mar 06 15:12:09 and? OpenSSL's defaults are hardly anything to write home about Mar 06 15:13:47 postfix doesn't either - iirc Mar 06 15:13:48 lol, Microsoft's CSP is probably more secure than OpenSSL -- when you compare their default settings Mar 06 15:16:07 I'd rely on NSS a lot more than OSSL Mar 06 15:22:15 but who am I to talk about PKI, eh? Mar 06 15:22:27 yes, who are you? Mar 06 15:22:51 (TLS libs state on linux is pretty much scary anyway) Mar 06 15:23:04 (libssl, nss, gnutls, all scary) Mar 06 15:23:09 aww, I thought my maemo.org profile said it all Mar 06 15:23:18 polarssl looks good but doesn't have all features Mar 06 15:23:31 (and isn't used anywhere :) Mar 06 15:23:31 ;) Mar 06 15:24:16 hmhm, can't reach maemo.org Mar 06 15:24:48 stops at 62.237.135.53 Mar 06 15:25:06 :) Mar 06 15:25:46 crashanddie: not only libs, but also cert management on a CA scope is pretty scary, too Mar 06 15:26:13 I settled for a Makefile + specialized openssl.cnf Mar 06 15:26:31 which is why if you want a serious CA, you go with proprietary Mar 06 15:26:49 :( Mar 06 15:27:07 though, I've never seen sufficient requirements inside anything personal/open source to require a commercial CA Mar 06 15:27:32 well, I work in research field (heating/water sector) Mar 06 15:27:49 crashanddie: ejbca is based on java crypto api Mar 06 15:27:51 so I went pki to secure our network Mar 06 15:27:56 One of the CAs I'm most familiar with is Entrust, and it really is the rolls royce of CAs, works beautifully on Solaris and Windows Mar 06 15:27:57 (and is open source) Mar 06 15:28:08 (but it's java) Mar 06 15:28:16 Corsac: yeah, EJB is nice too, but sadly widely untrusted as it doesn't have the correct credentials yet Mar 06 15:28:27 the correct credentials? Mar 06 15:28:35 we're actually on a few projects where it's starting to get implemented, so it might have governmental badges pretty soon Mar 06 15:28:56 crashanddie: it's used by swedish police, french gendarmerie nationale Mar 06 15:29:07 yeah, which aren't really industry leaders Mar 06 15:29:20 sure Mar 06 15:30:08 At the moment, in Europe, only the UK police or any european MoD would be considered a "valid" badge that would make it be considered by others Mar 06 15:31:08 crashanddie: where do you get that from? Mar 06 15:31:18 but considering that UK Police uses cybertrust (or whatever it's called these days, it's the one from verizon, used to be baltimore), which used to be the de facto standard for government agencies all over the world, especially in Europe Mar 06 15:31:42 Corsac: I'm a consultant for a company which specialises in credential management Mar 06 15:31:46 ok Mar 06 15:33:27 There's only a few competitors in the commercial CA business. Microsoft CA is the cheapest one (free with most server editions of windows), but its CRL and template management is so basic it's not usable for anyone with more than 20k seats Mar 06 15:34:11 Cybertrust historically had most of the governmental agencies, but Verizon isn't really chasing that market anymore, so they mainly do renewals. Entrust is eating away at their market share Mar 06 15:37:22 Corsac: my company has been heavily involved in the CAC and PIV deployments in the US. The *only* way (and I kid you not) to get traction on PIV in Europe is through the UK. We fought very hard but finally we're getting more and more UK Police forces joining up on PIV. We even have the NPIA, and that was a big score. Before any of that, European companies/governments would not even consider implementing anything that's used in Mar 06 15:38:34 But as soon as you say "It's being implemented in the UK as we speak, after having seen the benefits in the US", then they listen... Security, sadly, is a sheep market. Nobody wants to set a precedent, but as soon as it's there, everyone jumps in Mar 06 15:39:36 what's piv? Mar 06 15:40:57 Personal Identity Verification. A standard that was implemented by the US DoD (all army/marine personel have a card) which enables them to tell companies/contractors "Implement this standard, so that we can check who you are" Mar 06 15:41:33 it's a middleware for smartcard? Mar 06 15:41:41 well, more like an api Mar 06 15:42:01 kinda. It's a smartcard applet definition Mar 06 15:43:03 neat sstuff crashanddie Mar 06 15:43:44 http://csrc.nist.gov/drivers/documents/Presidential-Directive-Hspd-12.html Mar 06 15:43:54 * DocScrutinizer wonders what the German ID card authetication feature will be - the ID card is supposed to roll out in Q4/2010 Mar 06 15:44:13 crashanddie: you might be interested by IAS ECC then Mar 06 15:44:19 some kind of RFID Mar 06 15:44:21 DocScrutinizer: german ID or health? Mar 06 15:44:26 ID Mar 06 15:44:40 the health card is a giant waste of money Mar 06 15:45:02 but nice if you are recieving the money of course :) Mar 06 15:45:12 DocScrutinizer: rot12 Mar 06 15:45:18 lol Mar 06 15:45:36 ~rot13 SpeedEvil Mar 06 15:45:36 FcrrqRivy Mar 06 15:45:55 ~rot13 FCRRQRIVY Mar 06 15:45:55 SPEEDEVIL Mar 06 15:47:03 hm hm Mar 06 15:47:04 Cards are easy to screw up if you don't employ people that actually know their shit. Mar 06 15:47:17 To define the system. Mar 06 15:47:33 There are no root certs for the passport system for example. Mar 06 15:47:34 ~rot13 bzt fcrrqrivy v yhim lbh!!!! Lbh'er fb njrfbzr. Pna V unf lbhe plobet onovrf? Mar 06 15:47:34 omg speedevil i luvz you!!!! You're so awesome. Can I has your cyborg babies? Mar 06 15:48:04 And 'chip and pin' is broken in the implementation. Mar 06 15:48:15 details :) Mar 06 15:48:19 hmm? Mar 06 15:49:53 SpeedEvil: it's even worse, the german health system goons forgot to backup the HSM that was holding the reference environment's root private keys Mar 06 15:50:27 SpeedEvil: there was a power failure, HSM thought it was an attack, deleted all the keys as a safeguard Mar 06 15:50:37 anybody here know any google search terms i could seek to find webserver software that can transcode heavy flash streams and files to something mobile friendly? Mar 06 15:50:51 ... Mar 06 15:51:21 crashanddie: that would never of course happen in a real rolled-out system. Mar 06 15:51:24 SpeedEvil: it was only the reference environment, so nothing major, but it just goes to show how incompetent some people are Mar 06 15:51:33 SpeedEvil: you'd be amazed :) Mar 06 15:51:40 No, regrettably not. Mar 06 15:51:54 I tell this one story, because I just love it so much. Mar 06 15:52:09 I was doing a workshop with the main backbone and network provider in the UK Mar 06 15:52:39 I wanted to do a demo on a laptop, so I ask the head of security if I can borrow his smartcard. He had it in a holster around his neck. Mar 06 15:53:06 He looks at me, looks at his card, and says "No". I insist, explaining I just need to show a stupid feature which doesn't require anything, bla bla Mar 06 15:53:21 He replies "I can't take it out of the holster in public, the PIN is written on the back" Mar 06 15:53:31 :) Mar 06 15:53:34 good story Mar 06 15:53:38 gnnnrngnhashdfh *headdesk* Mar 06 15:53:43 but he can say that in public? :P Mar 06 15:54:05 http://xkcd.com/538/ Mar 06 15:54:07 Now all you need is a cute MOTAS, and ... Mar 06 15:56:11 Randall is right in his comic about cryptography. You can implement the toughest system, it won't matter a dime if the people who use it (and even worse, administer it) are not properly educated Mar 06 15:56:43 And if the policies aren't rigourously enforced. Mar 06 15:57:09 Forex - reporting his violation of the password-writing-down-rule to him should have got him disciplined. Mar 06 15:57:32 This has been proven time and time again by social engineering (Kevin Mitnick's "Your passes have expired, we'll send someone to pick them up" is a classic, but oh so remarkable in its simplicity) Mar 06 15:58:03 crashanddie, education means nothing, if the system is widely used, it just takes one bad day by one person to bring the stack of cards Mar 06 15:58:05 and if anyone doesn't know that story, youtube it, search for mitnick and last hope Mar 06 15:58:17 Combined with 'people in a smart suit and a clipboard can't be up to evil'. Mar 06 15:58:34 SpeedEvil: <3 social compliance Mar 06 15:59:32 lcuk: not really. The whole point about proper security isn't so much in the technology as it is in the processes, as outlined by SpeedEvil. One person shouldn't be able to do everything. If the policies require you to have 3 approvals and 2 different people to execute, that's 5 hurdles you need to overcome as an attacker Mar 06 16:00:34 lcuk: same thing with the "bad day" scenario. If the powers are sufficiently compartementalised ensuring that any one person can't damage anything without other people accepting it, you're seriously limiting the risk factor Mar 06 16:01:09 s/bad day/blackmail/ Mar 06 16:01:45 SpeedEvil: actually, that one is referred to as "black day" :P Mar 06 16:02:43 blackmail, hack and theft/steal are banned words in our industry, sadly. Mar 06 16:02:58 It really needs a team of smart people to work out what the worst case use of the data is. And how much this might be worth to certain parties. Mar 06 16:03:24 Blackmail is black day, or dark evening; hack is workaround; theft/stealing is unauthorised/illegitimate access. Mar 06 16:03:59 For example, you can mine health data for rich people on sleeping pills that live alone. Mar 06 16:05:48 any given system is flawed. It's the base paradigm of security. The only thing you can attempt is make it more difficult, more expensive, or make attacks more easily reconisable Mar 06 16:06:14 Or reduce the target. Mar 06 16:06:30 Compartmentalised databases rather than massive centralisation. Mar 06 16:06:54 usually, the lower the security, the more there is a guarantee (all the OSs screaming that they're the most secure OS) of security. The higher the security, the lesser the guarantee, and the more you emphasise on "limiting risk factors" or "reduced loss approach" Mar 06 16:07:04 yeah. Mar 06 16:07:47 I did a BOTE design for an ID card that required no central database, other than one very secured point that would only be needed for checking potential dupes at aplication time. Mar 06 16:08:03 BOTE? Mar 06 16:08:11 Back of the envelope. Mar 06 16:08:24 I was wondering if you could do a national ID card in a secure way. Mar 06 16:08:34 Where secure = non privacy invasion. Mar 06 16:08:59 It's really tricky, but possible largely. Mar 06 16:09:01 Well, you could Mar 06 16:09:07 no-one implemented it, though Mar 06 16:09:11 Yeah. Mar 06 16:09:26 It's easier and more fun to do one hooked to a massive database. Mar 06 16:10:40 Off the top of my head, I'd see data on the smartcard (as opposed to stored in a database), signed by the certificate on the smartcard, which in turn is signed by the government's CA Mar 06 16:11:18 The data is added to the smartcard during smartcard perso (enrollment and activation) Mar 06 16:11:57 And the card can be presented to a biometric terminal which communiates the biometric to the card, along with 'is this person entitled to foo' and gets a 1 bit answer. Mar 06 16:12:22 well, the authorisation should not be handled by the card Mar 06 16:12:29 first thing I'll do to my next id card: microwave Mar 06 16:13:18 crashanddie: if it isn't - it requires a backend database somewhere which can record each access. Mar 06 16:14:00 SpeedEvil: yeah, but then you're going to have issues with fabricating a card which always answers your "yes" bit Mar 06 16:14:04 damn, hildon-desktop suddenly too 100% cpu power after a phone call, is that a known bug? Mar 06 16:14:30 crashanddie: at that point the user has the option of authenticating in various manners with the aid of the central db Mar 06 16:14:45 Trizt: oh I'm sorry, we weren't formaly introduced, I'm the guy who spends his days memorising the bugzilla database, can I be of any service? Mar 06 16:15:10 is bug #1 fixed yet? ;) Mar 06 16:15:11 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 test - ignore it Mar 06 16:15:51 SpeedEvil: it really depends what you're trying to achieve Mar 06 16:16:26 SpeedEvil: if it's just identification, what I said before enables you to prove your identity without the shadow of a doubt -- it even allows you to digitally sign for things when required (and when you agree to) Mar 06 16:16:48 SpeedEvil: if you want to do authentication, and authorisation processing, I'm not aware of any non-central system that could realisatically be used Mar 06 16:17:52 anyway, it's late Mar 06 16:17:55 I need to go to bed Mar 06 16:18:12 240 page document review awaits tomorrow, woohoo Mar 06 16:18:26 SpeedEvil: thanks for the interesting discussion, as always Mar 06 16:19:05 \me waves Mar 06 16:19:08 meh Mar 06 16:19:13 * NoobMonk3y waves Mar 06 16:19:15 yay Mar 06 16:19:22 lo alls Mar 06 16:20:31 anyone alive? :) Mar 06 16:22:21 nah, everyone died Mar 06 16:23:46 wooop Mar 06 16:25:16 ah, the entire dpkg-gensymbols stuff is broken in scratchbox so it's unusable Mar 06 16:25:31 who is surprised? Mar 06 16:25:31 :P Mar 06 16:25:40 the script itself seems to fail to parse version info from ELFs, Mar 06 16:25:57 and the dh_makeshlibs one is from an older debian version so they're not compatible Mar 06 16:26:02 at all. Mar 06 16:26:17 can't wait till we're rid of it Mar 06 16:26:18 :P Mar 06 16:26:27 no wonder nobody in maemo uses .symbols files :) Mar 06 16:27:59 I am yet to see what's RPM packaging about Mar 06 16:28:27 rpm .spec files are very easy to write Mar 06 16:28:55 javispedro: i was sold after seeing how easy it is to bootstrap a system, and specs look sane too :P Mar 06 16:29:10 I like the one file contains everything approach Mar 06 16:29:31 how do you put icons in? wait for the upstream tarball to contain them at the appropriate sizes? Mar 06 16:29:52 you can have attachments Mar 06 16:29:57 like patches etc Mar 06 16:30:08 not sure about icons, but there should be a way Mar 06 16:30:46 <_strcpy> duh , found the root of problem with that damn "external ip" pre-defined command on widget Mar 06 16:31:17 <_strcpy> if the host wget contact is not reponding by any mean, entire process halts, rather than a simple timeout error Mar 06 16:47:11 _strcpy: err, which problem? Mar 06 16:50:30 javispedro, Mar 06 16:50:35 the changes you made for sdl Mar 06 16:51:06 are they complete, ie do they allow gles apps directly from sdl now Mar 06 16:51:18 yes, they work Mar 06 16:51:44 does normal sdl benefit from it, ie gles blits etc? Mar 06 16:51:55 nope Mar 06 16:52:12 that requires much more work than a single afternoon :) Mar 06 16:52:49 of course, but the ground support is there and opens a gles context etc? Mar 06 16:53:18 yes; if you do it, you cannot blit with the SDL functions (like on normal GL SDL 1.2) Mar 06 16:53:34 pupnik_, have you seen any additional sdl GL ES code lying around anywhere Mar 06 16:53:41 that was called the "SDL_OPENGLBLIT" flag somewhere. Mar 06 16:54:11 yeah thats not a real blit is it - it would require creating a texture and laying polygons down Mar 06 16:54:53 * lcuk needs to get further than the preface of the book really lol, since i got it ive had too much real work on Mar 06 16:54:58 what kind of blit you want? :) Mar 06 16:55:00 even today i am sidetracked Mar 06 16:55:12 nothin, just curious about how normal sdl works Mar 06 16:55:28 or rather how much benefit the es bit would be Mar 06 16:55:50 lcuk: the good kind of sidetracked I hope Mar 06 16:56:32 the normal sdl had the "non opengl mode" (using xshm for blitting to the screen), the "opengl mode" (where you just use opengl calls, and normal sdl 2d blits don't do anything) and the "opengl blit" mode, where you can use both gl calls and then modify and blit SDL surfaces, but is deprecated and slow. Mar 06 16:56:37 burchr, the run off feet kind Mar 06 16:56:46 heh :( Mar 06 16:56:55 my lib only implements the first two Mar 06 16:57:06 well, the second one only actually :) Mar 06 16:58:09 javispedro, so its exploration by you! Mar 06 16:58:56 i'm porting some iphone game atm (not free unfortunately so won't be able to release it) Mar 06 16:59:23 the first one I used bare Xlib, plus canberra for sound effects (in place of the SoundEffect iphone framework) Mar 06 16:59:48 bare Xlib is.. awful; Canberra is nice but does not cache sounds and does not seem designed for this. Mar 06 16:59:48 cool Mar 06 17:00:18 * lcuk doesnt mind closed source, but wishes when it stops being developed it gets opened up Mar 06 17:00:37 Xlib is pretty raw :P Mar 06 17:00:39 bare xlib is ok Mar 06 17:00:54 xlib is perfectly reasonable Mar 06 17:00:55 it's just a very simple implementation of the protocol Mar 06 17:00:56 and compatible too Mar 06 17:01:13 all te crap crazy penguins put on top is kinda frustrating though Mar 06 17:01:23 lol RST38h Mar 06 17:01:27 I find it way too much verbosy Mar 06 17:01:27 how long are you stateside for Mar 06 17:01:54 I've done raw xlib over a tcp connection initiated using kernel syscalls directly Mar 06 17:01:56 _strcpy: maybe you'd like to give this one a try (look into it first, you need to edit URL of STUN server) http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/getownip Mar 06 17:02:03 with no libc but in C anyway Mar 06 17:02:06 raw X11 then Mar 06 17:02:09 that should be compatible as well Mar 06 17:02:20 I think the kernel apis don't change much Mar 06 17:02:37 in gnu systems the libc version compatibility can be a pain Mar 06 17:03:06 lcuk: two weeks Mar 06 17:03:45 cool, did you take family or strictly working Mar 06 17:04:04 lcuk: no, family is back in ru Mar 06 17:04:15 * lcuk nods Mar 06 17:04:18 lcuk: have to do a few annual chores Mar 06 17:05:29 reasonable enough, though why you cant just shower in russia is beyond me :p Mar 06 17:06:47 lcuk: gets more complicated than that, with tax revenue service etc Mar 06 17:15:02 <_strcpy> dockane, thanks. I used something alike (wget www.whatismyip.com/automation/n09230945.asp -O - -q ) Mar 06 17:15:23 <_strcpy> DocScrutinizer, Mar 06 17:29:23 RST38h: again now since downloading a 300 MB flash and closing browser i have pegged cpu meter and very very slow (up to 5 minutes) lack of screen response while top shows noting Mar 06 17:30:18 mousepointer moves with tap but windows will not close from app overview Mar 06 17:30:47 yea Mar 06 17:30:55 sounds like our bug Mar 06 17:31:06 Or, run FireFox Mobile and suffer Mar 06 17:31:22 You won;t be able to close it, reach task switcher, or even lock the device with the sliding switch Mar 06 17:31:41 isn't that just the video thumbnailer and that stuff? Mar 06 17:31:54 this mirc on the go is pretty good and easy. very impressed with XChat! Mar 06 17:31:57 thumbnailer adds to the problem but does not seem to cause it Mar 06 17:32:13 * timeless_mbp slaps NoobMonk3y for abuse of 'mirc' Mar 06 17:32:15 NoobMonk3y, of course! Mar 06 17:32:24 Stskeeps: looks like it all comes down to eMMC traffic (swap is there!) Mar 06 17:32:26 thumbnailer is off Mar 06 17:32:43 \me cant remember the me command Mar 06 17:32:45 can i kill browserd somehow to see if that helps? Mar 06 17:32:46 yes, I agree with RST Mar 06 17:32:53 * NoobMonk3y rememembered it Mar 06 17:33:05 try moving swap to SD card (for example swapon -p 1000 /dev/mmcblk1p*) Mar 06 17:33:12 * NoobMonk3y likes a good slapping... Mar 06 17:33:23 phone is off Mar 06 17:33:32 no no, it doesn't improve. it gets worse. Mar 06 17:33:33 tis very colourful tho! Mar 06 17:33:38 hehe Mar 06 17:34:03 lcuk, was the ner version of healthcheck lcuk friendly? Mar 06 17:34:09 new* Mar 06 17:34:25 NoobMonk3y, i have been too busy to look at anything on my device Mar 06 17:34:25 ah, you're the Healthcheck author. Mar 06 17:34:32 lol Mar 06 17:34:40 * NoobMonk3y prepares for another slap Mar 06 17:34:45 but i shall update it now whilst i am resting Mar 06 17:34:55 ~chase NoobMonk3y Mar 06 17:34:56 * infobot chases NoobMonk3y Mar 06 17:35:10 * NoobMonk3y rides infobot round the room Mar 06 17:35:15 i nearly reflashed my personal device the other night Mar 06 17:35:18 cool lcuk :) Mar 06 17:35:28 why? Mar 06 17:35:33 i had battery out and usb cable in and flasher waiting and everything before i realised it was the wrong one Mar 06 17:35:40 what do you mean with "lcuk friendly"? I'm curious. Mar 06 17:35:40 haha! Mar 06 17:35:48 ok now "web" not responding and closed and cpu use is down Mar 06 17:35:51 javispedro, i find crashes Mar 06 17:36:00 his was acting odd. was vanishing on him. Mar 06 17:36:00 i have been keeping updated with it Mar 06 17:36:07 ah Mar 06 17:36:10 lcuk-n900's friendly. Mar 06 17:36:34 ooh 94kb Mar 06 17:36:34 think it is because i cant code lol. removed threading and that should fix it Mar 06 17:36:40 so in my case i always have gotten back to responsive when browser is fully closed Mar 06 17:36:42 0.6.0-2 Mar 06 17:36:43 odd it happenned to no one else Mar 06 17:36:48 not really Mar 06 17:36:53 my system is a bit special Mar 06 17:36:58 awwwww Mar 06 17:37:01 actually "special" Mar 06 17:37:15 new icon too, hehe Mar 06 17:37:31 noticed Mar 06 17:37:34 i liked the old one :) Mar 06 17:37:45 ooooops :P Mar 06 17:37:53 and emailed for a bugtracker too, so when that is done, final prob is the audio tools dependency Mar 06 17:38:00 it has nice stars effect as it closes Mar 06 17:38:13 so did i, but someone put effort into the new one, hehe Mar 06 17:38:22 yeah Mar 06 17:38:50 did you add some debugging console output Mar 06 17:38:54 some reason, the audio tools doesnt install with the app. Mar 06 17:39:03 not yet, only had an hour Mar 06 17:39:22 missus is currently driving me to a chinese :) Mar 06 17:40:32 * lcuk ponders how to check qt Mar 06 17:40:46 should get some free time tomorrow to add it. Mar 06 17:41:19 i think its the qt on this machine Mar 06 17:41:34 hmmmmm thats not good. Mar 06 17:41:56 brb 2 mins. need to check map Mar 06 17:42:11 haha just carry on driving east Mar 06 17:42:23 lol! i am scary Mar 06 17:43:31 via a tescos lol Mar 06 17:44:47 NoobMonk3y, whats odd is that your healthcheck used to work Mar 06 17:45:33 lcuk, no idea how to reply to that on xchat... Mar 06 17:46:09 * lcuk writes healthcheck healthcheck app Mar 06 17:46:35 lol!! Mar 06 17:47:54 will add debugging 2moro. assuming it is still doing it? Mar 06 17:49:13 NoobMonk3y, i will triple confirm whether its my machine or extensions to your app by putting older version back on Mar 06 17:49:19 if you remind me later ill do it then Mar 06 17:49:43 do what? Mar 06 17:50:16 ive gota bottle or two of wine to get thru so prob wont b in a fit state for much tonight Mar 06 17:50:55 NoobMonk3y, i will just install a couple of older versions and see which run Mar 06 17:52:03 hey guys, does the N900 support video calls? Mar 06 17:53:33 * NoobMonk3y is trying to hold a conversation, eat a boost and use irc int the car at the same time Mar 06 17:53:45 who said men cant multitask Mar 06 17:55:57 I once did an rebus rally (the kind of competition where you'll solve tasks and get places, perhaps with practical stuff underway... Mar 06 17:56:19 ...and one of the tasks was knitting as far as you could during the competition. Mar 06 17:56:39 the only one who could knit properly (we were all men ;) were the only one with the drivers license. Mar 06 17:56:50 *that* was multitasking. Mar 06 17:57:08 lol Mar 06 17:57:47 i'm pretty good at breathing and blinking at the same time. dowes that count? Mar 06 17:58:03 prove it Mar 06 17:58:17 doing it now.... go meeeeeeeee Mar 06 17:59:40 NoobMonk3y, i just realised Mar 06 17:59:51 ? Mar 06 17:59:52 the console log for your application is... odd Mar 06 18:00:01 ooo is it? Mar 06 18:00:06 it gives a gtk warning Mar 06 18:00:10 yeah Mar 06 18:00:21 arent you using qt Mar 06 18:02:39 liq-n900:/home/opt/healthcheck# python healthcheck.py Mar 06 18:02:39 healthcheck.py:844: GtkWarning: gtk_widget_set_sensitive: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed Mar 06 18:02:39 app = QtGui.QApplication(sys.argv) Mar 06 18:02:39 healthcheck.py:844: GtkWarning: Can't set a parent on a toplevel widget Mar 06 18:02:39 app = QtGui.QApplication(sys.argv) Mar 06 18:02:40 Segmentation fault Mar 06 18:03:03 where does the email cient modest hide its documentation - in particular where do I find the editor key bindings? Mar 06 18:10:40 More freaking free space on my phone than my boot volume. Mar 06 18:11:43 so the N900 doesnt support video calls? can that be changed with a fw update or something? Mar 06 18:12:05 it works partially it seems Mar 06 18:12:05 looks like i tracked down my traffic eater. rss reader appears to ignore "update via wifi only" setting, which costs me up to $150 so far, i think :-/ Mar 06 18:12:12 software problem, I think Mar 06 18:12:17 ow Arkenoi Mar 06 18:12:21 g0tcha, sure, just about anything can be changed with a software update. Mar 06 18:12:45 GeneralAntilles, why is such a common feature not included out of the box?! Mar 06 18:12:50 in a phone like the N900 Mar 06 18:13:11 Because it's a computer before it's a phone? :) Mar 06 18:13:18 Many common phone features are not included out of the box Mar 06 18:13:31 Because the N900 is a phone behind just about everything else it is. Mar 06 18:13:33 weird Mar 06 18:13:37 I think they'd do mms before 3g video calls, 3g video sharing, 3g image sharing, 3g push-to-talk, 3g this and 3g that.. Mar 06 18:13:38 Not really Mar 06 18:13:45 no software out there that enables this feature? Mar 06 18:13:46 Weird, maybe, if you're new to Maemo. Mar 06 18:13:56 i am new to maemo =) Mar 06 18:14:23 Well, now you know. Mar 06 18:14:33 I think of there was someone out there making video call software they'd probably do internet video calls first, because it's easier.. Mar 06 18:14:53 so what youre saying is its difficult for maemo to do a video call? Mar 06 18:15:07 It's difficult for anybody to do a 3G video call. Mar 06 18:15:18 ShadowJK, from what i read its possible using google talk on N900 Mar 06 18:15:19 do you know anyone that can receive one g0tcha ? Mar 06 18:15:27 I'm yet to see a person who actually *uses* 3g video calls except for trying once wondering if the thing really works ;-) Mar 06 18:15:31 but the N97 for example needs fringe to use google talk and i hate fringe Mar 06 18:15:36 or fring* Mar 06 18:15:53 Well N97 is symbian based Mar 06 18:16:11 Arkenoi, $10 a month from AT&T Mar 06 18:16:15 Hardly seems worth it. Mar 06 18:16:25 Google Talk voice and chat are supported out of the box. Mar 06 18:16:47 * GeneralAntilles notes the N900 has exposed a massive Finder.app bug for the 3rd time this year. Mar 06 18:17:36 * g0tcha takes notes Mar 06 18:17:44 * GeneralAntilles reboots because both Apple and Nokia are incompetent. Mar 06 18:25:13 what is the proper filename extension for libavformat file format detected. Mar 06 18:26:47 Kernel panic to top off the lovely cake Mar 06 18:27:51 hildon-thumbnailer needs to burn Mar 06 18:28:48 m4v seems to load then stop in media player Mar 06 18:30:31 how do i delete lines in the modest email editor? Mar 06 18:30:37 GAN900: what did finder do? Mar 06 18:30:44 i've got some really amusing behavior from finder Mar 06 18:30:52 it gets really pissed if $HOME changes Mar 06 18:31:12 timeless_mbp, error -10810 Mar 06 18:31:35 After connecting and trying to browse an N900 eMMC Mar 06 18:32:01 The procedure goes something like: Mar 06 18:32:17 Plugin, select mass storage, click the N900 in the sidebar Mar 06 18:32:27 click the MacOS folder Mar 06 18:32:35 SBBoD Mar 06 18:32:44 Relaunch Finder Mar 06 18:32:57 Error -10810 when trying to relaunch Mar 06 18:33:14 Reboot, kernel panic, reboot again, back to normal. Mar 06 18:33:28 They go overboard on these verbose error messages don't they. Mar 06 18:33:28 lol Mar 06 18:33:29 use normal os Mar 06 18:33:31 Reproducibility is about 3/50 Mar 06 18:33:31 like windows Mar 06 18:33:32 or linux Mar 06 18:33:34 bugs.apple.com Mar 06 18:34:09 jacekowski: OS, by definition, is supposed to help people get stuff done. windows doesn't fit in that definition Mar 06 18:34:37 well, it helps me Mar 06 18:34:39 (at least for me) Mar 06 18:35:53 Yeah, wasn't looking for input on my OS choice. :) Mar 06 18:35:53 javispedro, likely already been filed a hundred times. Mar 06 18:36:00 SpeedEvil, very much legacy. But at least they're googleable. Plus you never really see them anymore. Mar 06 18:36:30 yeah Mar 06 18:36:59 I guess it's slightly more friendly than illegal operation in Windows. Mar 06 18:37:14 The operation failed: Success. Mar 06 18:42:04 Anyway, I'm off. Later, folks. Mar 06 18:42:14 bye gan Mar 06 18:42:41 wave Mar 06 18:46:11 'sbbod'? Mar 06 18:46:26 spinning beach ball of death I guess Mar 06 18:46:29 oh Mar 06 18:46:42 http://marbleofdoom.com/ Mar 06 18:47:57 abuse of flash -- check Mar 06 18:48:35 and why it does not let one enter "spun for a day"? Mar 06 18:48:55 because the developers didn't think people were that dumb Mar 06 18:52:33 hello, is there something similar to connection handler in maemo 5? Mar 06 18:53:30 ? icd? Mar 06 19:12:07 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=558070#post558070 Mar 06 19:13:29 nethogs? interesting Mar 06 19:15:22 Arkenoi: submit a bug and if you're a hacker, it's oss Mar 06 19:16:16 hello people :) Mar 06 19:16:21 lo wazdie Mar 06 19:17:07 has anyone tried to load maps on the n900 with a ubuntu/linux box? Mar 06 19:17:09 wazd'up! Mar 06 19:17:27 simoneb_: look for jaffas post on ovi maps precaching Mar 06 19:18:15 simoneb_: you can just download them and unpack them n the right place Mar 06 19:18:21 http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa , scroll down to you find it Mar 06 19:19:55 should be this one http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c thanks Mar 06 19:21:48 looks like the map applications is useless anyway without a network connection... Mar 06 19:23:17 there's some bugs around it Mar 06 19:23:41 some bugs that make it useless without a connection? Mar 06 19:23:50 well, there is two sides Mar 06 19:24:07 agps helps it not to take 12 or 24 mins to get a fix Mar 06 19:24:14 agps need a connection Mar 06 19:26:47 ok i could just wait.. but jaffa's page says you can't search for destinations without an internet connection Mar 06 19:27:28 or should i read "network" as in mobile network? Mar 06 19:27:34 gprs is fine Mar 06 19:28:05 network is anything connecting to internet Mar 06 19:29:52 ok, i mean, i don't have a data plan Mar 06 19:30:00 so, i guess, no navigation for me with the n900 Mar 06 19:30:19 not even if i download the maps Mar 06 19:30:42 n900 is kinda made for a data plan and well worth it Mar 06 19:31:45 yes, no navigation for you. Mar 06 19:32:14 ... unless you buy sygic. Mar 06 19:33:07 ehh, the cheapest dataplan for my operator is in the 80€ range, i have wifi at home and at work, so it would be really just for the navigation... Mar 06 19:33:18 sygic may be an option at this point Mar 06 19:33:21 * lcuk wnats a roamable dataplan Mar 06 19:33:42 transfer unlimited local account with you to destination country Mar 06 19:34:49 simoneb_: a small data plan with 250mb or so, or cost of data being in acceptable range Mar 06 19:35:16 gprs usually is contained as a as-you-go cost Mar 06 19:35:57 pay-as-you-go data plans seems still too advanced for my weird country Mar 06 19:36:10 well, nevermind Mar 06 19:36:29 what country? Mar 06 19:36:38 italy of course! Mar 06 19:36:56 meh, if poland has sane plans.. Mar 06 19:36:57 :P Mar 06 19:38:23 poland is maybe the most advanced country in europe regarding internet services Mar 06 19:38:32 doubt it Mar 06 19:38:33 :P Mar 06 19:38:37 no, really Mar 06 19:39:40 well, dinner time. thank you. Mar 06 19:58:15 oh, SDL doesn't listen to XRRScreenChangeNotifyEvent s. Mar 06 19:58:41 the modes list is generated at startup and never refreshed, so everything crashes on rotation :( Mar 06 20:08:05 hi Mar 06 20:08:15 help I need ;( Mar 06 20:09:05 I use one of Polish sip provider (tlenofon) and maemo5 can login into sip but cannot make any calls. does anyone had similar problem? Mar 06 20:11:53 I have a friend who gie me sip on his box Mar 06 20:12:01 gave Mar 06 20:18:03 I have public phone number with this account Mar 06 20:25:19 how bout a POSITIVE LIST for sites which get enabled flash/javascript in micro-b? Mar 06 20:29:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOtENx0QuZM .pnd instant mobile linux software install, and a games/emus collection beyond ours - with no community yet... Mar 06 20:47:01 Could someone help me with the LocationAPI? for Maemo 5? I've tried compiling & running the example code on the maemo.org wiki, but it just exits silently when ran. The GPS icon flashes in the control panel, so I assume it's starting gpsd okay. Mar 06 20:47:44 hrw: this is how i did my SIP configuration: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/VoIP Mar 06 20:50:03 hi all Mar 06 20:50:05 so http://pylauncher.garage.maemo.org/ Mar 06 20:50:10 is actually maemo-launcher ? Mar 06 20:50:30 * NoobMonk3y is a fat pig Mar 06 20:50:42 javispedro: I am uploading tuxracer Mar 06 20:50:59 jebba: will check Mar 06 20:51:13 gltron should be there Mar 06 20:52:26 tuxracer? cool. Would be awesome if it used accelerometer :) Mar 06 20:53:18 it doesn't for now Mar 06 20:53:54 theres an accel joystick thing isnt there Mar 06 20:54:05 not sure how integrated with games it will be Mar 06 20:56:37 * NoobMonk3y blinks Mar 06 20:58:36 NoobMonk3y, still on your way to china? Mar 06 21:00:03 lcuk : feel like a chinese man tho! stuffed and at the pub. Mar 06 21:01:31 people Mar 06 21:01:36 tell me Mar 06 21:01:46 me Mar 06 21:01:46 what's the matter with using a FAT32 partition anyway? Mar 06 21:01:59 it doesn't make windows computers access this partition more easily Mar 06 21:02:12 because Windows doesn't use its block device drivers to access it Mar 06 21:02:32 it access the partition in a higher level, files and directories Mar 06 21:02:43 ptl: it still accesses a filesystem, you know? Mar 06 21:02:59 well, it does indeed access a block device Mar 06 21:03:03 virtual maybe, but still Mar 06 21:03:07 how the hell do i reset the failed installation of samba?? Mar 06 21:05:19 Corsac: hmm... via USB Mass storage? Mar 06 21:07:40 yes Mar 06 21:08:05 Hey.. is there a dummy package for the n900/maemo for installing all the "factory" packages? Mar 06 21:08:21 someone here did a VERY bit apt-get remove --purge Mar 06 21:11:50 cpscotti: I'm having a look through my package list Mar 06 21:12:23 bnhw: thanks.. I look for the package with the biggest list of dependencies in a way Mar 06 21:15:43 cpscotti: I could give you a complete list of my installed packages Mar 06 21:15:51 But that might be a bit overkill Mar 06 21:16:05 bnhw: I found a "Maemo5" package in app manager Mar 06 21:16:16 (I couldnt find with apt-cache search Mar 06 21:16:18 Aha. Did it work? Mar 06 21:16:21 maybe this is the trick Mar 06 21:16:22 dunno Mar 06 21:16:24 lets see Mar 06 21:16:31 it is installing Mar 06 21:16:54 but he's not very happr Mar 06 21:18:17 and now its restarting..or everything will be ok or I won't even have a desktop.. Mar 06 21:18:57 cpscotti: Well, there's always reflash. Mar 06 21:19:17 ok.. then I have another problem.. is there a flasher tool for 64bit linux? Mar 06 21:19:27 vc reflashing was my first idea.. but.. Mar 06 21:19:39 Yeah, I've flashed from 64-bit Ubuntu Mar 06 21:19:47 =]] Mar 06 21:20:11 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Mar 06 21:21:05 It's a 32-bit binary, but it works Mar 06 21:21:44 (ps: everything seems ok! and usable again.. seems that the "Maemo5" package on the appmanager does the trick) Mar 06 21:21:49 thanks bnhw Mar 06 21:21:54 I'll have to use it soon Mar 06 21:22:04 : ) Mar 06 21:22:18 ah.. u had to do the "force architecture" trick then.. right? Mar 06 21:22:33 No, I just used the .tar.gz Mar 06 21:23:12 ahh.. ok then Mar 06 21:23:20 thanks ! Mar 06 21:23:26 well.. gotta go Mar 06 21:26:27 hi Mar 06 21:26:41 'allo Mar 06 21:27:26 so, reflashing affects only internal 256MB, not the whole flash memory. I'm looking for a way to reset the whole flash memory. Could we format it or whatever? Mar 06 21:28:47 mmarc__: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 ? Mar 06 21:33:33 bnhw: well, "Flasing the eMMC resets the MyDocs folder contents to factory settings." - that's not true, both Music and Radio folders I've created in MyDocs were there AFTER REFLASHING, as well as all their contents. Maybe bad reflashing?.. Mar 06 21:34:09 absolutely Mar 06 21:34:18 absolutely what? Mar 06 21:34:32 bad flashing Mar 06 21:34:47 mmarc__: Well, you could always use dd Mar 06 21:34:51 ;) Mar 06 21:35:05 I performed sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Mar 06 21:35:37 or the data was on a mmc Mar 06 21:36:11 which exactly flashed your rootfs and kept the eMMC, aiui Mar 06 21:37:29 oh Mar 06 21:37:36 doc is right, me not Mar 06 21:37:59 now I'm in a loss: wiki doc says MyDocs will be reflashed, now you say rootfs will be, and eMMC kept? What's the difference?.. Mar 06 21:38:01 mmarc__: there's a seperate flash with EMMC in its name, only that one resets the emmc Mar 06 21:38:13 check VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin vs _PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Mar 06 21:38:14 and the wiki says so, too Mar 06 21:39:13 damn, I'm pretty blind, sorry Mar 06 21:39:35 c&p goes a long way ;-P Mar 06 21:39:45 so, I've flashed only root thing, not MyDocs, ahs Mar 06 21:50:01 any cebit visitors here? Mar 06 21:59:20 can you run nmap, screen, vim and mutt well in n810? I mean if you have installed debian or similar to it? Mar 06 22:01:00 just wondering how easy it is to break n810 eg with nmap, experiences? Mar 06 22:05:42 i dont think you need debian for nmap, screen and vim Mar 06 22:05:56 * ShadowJK has screen on n810 atleast Mar 06 22:06:14 bindkey -d ^@ stuff ^? Mar 06 22:06:19 put that in ~/.screenrc Mar 06 22:06:25 makes backspace work in screen Mar 06 22:08:07 ShadowJK: you mean, you can really get a real shell, no .. emulation like on droids? Mar 06 22:08:55 heoa, x-terminal comes installed by default Mar 06 22:09:05 it's a real terminal, although it's busybox sh Mar 06 22:09:40 Once you add the maemo.org extras repository, you can install "rootsh" from the Application Manager, after that you can type "sudo gainroot" to get rootshell. apt-get is installed. Mar 06 22:10:25 I take it you don't have an N810? :-) Mar 06 22:11:14 I don't see mutt in the maemo.org repository, but screen, nmap and vim is there Mar 06 22:11:43 There's also a thing called "easy debian" which lets you run full debian in a chroot Mar 06 22:12:11 ShadowJK: nope but soon have cos many crontabs crawling the internet :P Mar 06 22:12:28 hm? Mar 06 22:13:26 ShadowJK: looking for a cheap second hand phone but had to have some fun in automating it, too bored in using the online stores manually :) Mar 06 22:13:43 N810 doesn't have gsm/3g Mar 06 22:13:52 screen, nmap, vim and irssi are there Mar 06 22:13:57 mutt... good point Mar 06 22:14:22 heoa: N900 is a real linux, if you're used to Uuntu you'll feel at home Mar 06 22:14:39 Well he was asking about N810 earlier :-) Mar 06 22:14:46 oh, sorry Mar 06 22:15:02 770, N800 and N810 have no GSM/3G. N900 is the newest and has gsm and 3g. Mar 06 22:15:21 i would still love the n810 but the pressure point and spacing on n900 keyboard is so much better Mar 06 22:15:30 You can make SIP/VoIP and Skype calls on N810 though Mar 06 22:18:00 ptl: "real linux"? Does it mean that n810 is some emulation hack or something else? Mar 06 22:21:58 heoa, N810 is "real linux" too Mar 06 22:22:20 ptl: using Mutt in n810? Mar 06 22:22:40 ShadowJK: have to get it then quickly Mar 06 22:23:07 heoa: it means that it is linux, just compiled for ARM. Not like e.g. Android that is heavily modified, no X, no GTK+, no QT Mar 06 22:23:11 it uses an arm cpu so you dont run x86 distros... Mar 06 22:23:11 heoa, you know that N810 isn't a phone, right? :) Mar 06 22:23:15 heoa: I am not using mutt right now, but it wouldn't be a bad idea :) Mar 06 22:23:24 N810 has X and GTK Mar 06 22:23:29 yeah Mar 06 22:23:33 N810 is a real linux Mar 06 22:24:02 ptl: so you can get it just through apt-get? Mar 06 22:25:09 Install rootsh from application manager to get root, open x-terminal, "sudo gainroot", apt-get install screen Mar 06 22:26:58 ShadowJK: "apt-get install mutt" meant? Mar 06 22:27:40 mutt isn't in the repositories :/ Mar 06 22:27:59 ShadowJK: well can you compile from sources? Mar 06 22:28:55 Well in theory you can install gcc, some have done this Mar 06 22:29:07 but the root filesystem / is a bit small for it, so it's easier to do it with the SDK Mar 06 22:31:14 heoa: yes Mar 06 22:31:46 ShadowJK: it should be easy to compile it Mar 06 22:32:04 hey, what's the best PC Suite replacement in linux? Mar 06 22:32:31 ssh Mar 06 22:32:33 * Arkenoi never used pc suite Mar 06 22:32:39 even with symbian Mar 06 22:33:16 ptl: $ apt-get source mutt; $ cd dirMutt; $ make ; ready? Mar 06 22:34:13 heoa: apt-get source mutt; cd dirMutt; dpkg-buildpackage ; cd .. ; maemo-optify-deb mutt-xxx-armel.deb. Ready Mar 06 22:34:45 maemo-optify-deb just moves some files around to better integrate in the maemo filesystem hierarchy Mar 06 22:35:28 it's a 79-line shell script, not rocket science... Mar 06 22:39:18 ptl: ShadowJK Thank you. Mar 06 22:40:04 yw Mar 06 22:41:40 maemo-optify isn't relevant for N810 Mar 06 22:42:22 nice - adding libavcodec and 52omap3430-dsp-libraries-ti broke media player mp3 playback Mar 06 22:44:23 btw there are "pidgin protocols for contacts and conversations" and "extra protocols for contacts and conversation" which seem to support similar protocol set. Is it safe to delete one of those, and which one? Mar 06 22:54:41 hey javispedro \o Mar 06 22:54:56 hello lcuk Mar 06 22:55:00 enjoying the gles book? Mar 06 22:55:01 :) Mar 06 22:55:13 not have a chance today Mar 06 22:55:33 i hve the multi texture example running tho Mar 06 22:55:55 need to learn how it used shaders properly tho Mar 06 22:55:57 ah, interesting Mar 06 22:56:36 Just plunged into OpenGL ES 2 myself : ) Mar 06 22:56:46 * lcuk wants to see how easy rgb yuv shader based conversion would work Mar 06 22:57:24 I've now seen it done more than once Mar 06 22:57:30 yeah me too Mar 06 22:57:49 would be nice to see how quickly it can be done Mar 06 22:57:57 and whether it will run on a 1.1 Mar 06 22:58:14 considering it would eat quite a bunch of bandwidth Mar 06 22:58:25 ... dunno. Mar 06 22:58:42 but maybe you get tearfree rendering at least :) Mar 06 22:58:51 i have it! Mar 06 22:58:56 with xv, I know Mar 06 22:58:56 i think Mar 06 22:59:05 that's why I am saying that :) Mar 06 22:59:39 im thinking of taking the normal rgb framebuffer and squashing it through Mar 06 22:59:47 its the job the IVA on the n810 should be used for Mar 06 22:59:56 ah, the IVA :S Mar 06 23:00:04 on 900 its less practical because the pvr is in use Mar 06 23:00:22 and would cause its own bottlenecks to render itself then also render rgb->yuv Mar 06 23:00:45 I think xvideo sneaks past the pvr Mar 06 23:00:50 it does Mar 06 23:00:57 just a mind exercise but would like to see how much power is behind the shader calculators Mar 06 23:00:57 omapfb also does afaiu Mar 06 23:01:14 is there more than one shader? :) Mar 06 23:01:40 hm.. I never tried, but I wouldn't assume more than one. Mar 06 23:01:46 ShadowJK, graphics cards on larger machines have hundreds of shader cells, i dunno how many are on this chip actually Mar 06 23:01:50 another texture unit... Mar 06 23:02:03 the iphone had two iirc Mar 06 23:02:22 I think my graphics card in my desktop has 64 Mar 06 23:02:27 (sorry I am talking from an API/logical PoV, dunno about the real hw) Mar 06 23:12:26 whois 74.125.4.25 Mar 06 23:12:31 oops Mar 06 23:14:53 god Mar 06 23:25:43 jebba: ping Mar 06 23:28:04 lbt: pong Mar 06 23:28:21 you were wondering about builders... Mar 06 23:28:34 si? Mar 06 23:28:46 anything in particular? Mar 06 23:29:08 you have an OBS up and running iirc Mar 06 23:29:10 Well, i know it's OBS. What distro/release are they running it on? And can I have copies of the configs :) Mar 06 23:29:29 And the current rootfs they are using ;) Mar 06 23:29:47 so I can talk about what I'm doing with OBS Mar 06 23:29:53 ok Mar 06 23:29:58 which isn't quite meego Mar 06 23:30:07 mkay Mar 06 23:30:09 but that should get clarified this week Mar 06 23:30:20 it's all converging :) Mar 06 23:30:30 base distro is opensuse 11.2 Mar 06 23:30:36 perhaps writeup to list? Even a short status update about it would be most welcome by many, i assume. :) Mar 06 23:30:40 oh noes, but ok. Mar 06 23:30:59 yeah - so that would be an interesting place to look at porting... Mar 06 23:31:17 and I was going to ask if you were doing anything around that? Mar 06 23:31:29 there's an ubuntu port of the worker Mar 06 23:32:00 lbt finally something one can think about concretely Mar 06 23:32:05 oh, i dont feel like porting OBS to a .deb, if that's what you're asking. If you mean porting things to OpenSUSE/rpm/thereabouts, i've started a bit already. Mar 06 23:32:50 I did mean that - it's a packaging job and would allow OBS to be easily run on more machines without an 11.2 VM install needed Mar 06 23:32:58 But you have and OBS building arm .rpms at this point? Mar 06 23:32:59 not that many of us need that Mar 06 23:33:11 I don't Mar 06 23:33:26 I'm building x86 rpms and arm .debs Mar 06 23:33:42 there is ARM work happening but I know nothing :) Mar 06 23:34:02 ya, so at this point i'm mostly in a holding pattern :) Mar 06 23:34:21 pretty much - but you can rely on OBS 1.7 being the builder Mar 06 23:35:03 and as soon as it appears you can see the prjconf Mar 06 23:35:22 I personally don't see any of this yet internally Mar 06 23:35:43 ok, thx nice to know :) Mar 06 23:36:21 I'm allowed to say I'm the obs architect for the maemo internal obs though Mar 06 23:36:53 so we're developing things like LDAP integration, access control etc Mar 06 23:37:00 cool Mar 06 23:37:09 OBS + openid would be nice Mar 06 23:37:30 sounds like a plan - I'm waiting for the SSO proposal Mar 06 23:37:35 I'm still asking meego.org OBS people about the public obs too Mar 06 23:37:36 i also think OBS+utility computing / cloud computing would be a great combo. Mar 06 23:37:49 it's interesting Mar 06 23:37:53 I wish I had time Mar 06 23:37:56 gotta have public OBS. Mar 06 23:38:05 lbt: openntpd is in extras Mar 06 23:38:06 yeah - I want policy on that Mar 06 23:38:24 eg if nokia have a closed api/lib Mar 06 23:38:34 can I build on the meego obs and link it Mar 06 23:38:48 ie is there a finnish quarter ;) Mar 06 23:38:56 heh Mar 06 23:39:13 good evening! Mar 06 23:39:15 I mentioned it in the meego meeting - the sub-area comments etc Mar 06 23:39:49 not heard a proper answer Mar 06 23:39:55 o/ Arif_ Mar 06 23:40:01 sup \o Mar 06 23:42:11 lbt, probably isn't one. ;) Mar 06 23:42:24 true GAN900 Mar 06 23:45:21 lbt, which is half the problem of the whole damn thing, but oh well. Mar 06 23:52:57 UniTrans[14297]: GLIB CRITICAL ** Gtk - gtk_widget_set_sensitive: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed Mar 06 23:52:57 UniTrans[14297]: GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - Can't set a parent on a toplevel widget Mar 06 23:52:57 UniTrans[14297]: GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - Can't set a parent on a toplevel widget Mar 06 23:52:57 I get this in all my programs. Is it normal? (In scratchbox) Mar 06 23:53:44 wizkoder: are you prefixing it with 'run-standalone.sh'? Mar 06 23:53:52 yes Mar 06 23:54:40 my hello world runs but gives out this messages too Mar 06 23:55:08 can someone pastebin their /etc/modprobe.d/maemo.conf ? Mar 06 23:57:16 swc|666: pastebin.com/2S2Ai40c Mar 06 23:57:45 swc|666: Uh, first line is missing an 'a' at the start Mar 06 23:58:15 bnhw, many thx! Mar 06 23:58:20 when I try to run the "qt gui application" the qt creator always creates which does nothing except opening a window. I get. "/usr/bin/run-standalone.sh: line 11: 14952 Segmentation fault (core dumped) "$@" Mar 06 23:58:20 " Mar 07 00:01:05 Isn't it crossplatform? Puzzled what could be wrong here Mar 07 00:02:06 Are the installed qt libs wrong? What could I do next? Mar 07 00:05:44 wizkoder: Maybe something's wrong with your scratchbox setup Mar 07 00:05:51 wizkoder: Wish I knew more about it :| Mar 07 00:07:45 bnhw: Okay. Time to try reading the setup document again Mar 07 00:08:08 wizkoder: Did you do a manual install? Mar 07 00:08:24 bnhw: Installed it by hand yes Mar 07 00:13:42 bnhw: following the description on maemo.org step by step. and changed nothing so far Mar 07 00:16:30 wizkoder: Hmm, well, something must be up if example code is segfaulting Mar 07 00:20:00 bnhw: I would like to be sure that its that problem. Should the example code that qt creator spits out for a simple qt application run without changes? Mar 07 00:20:23 Want to send the code over and I'll check it out? Mar 07 00:20:34 Theoretically it's cross-platform Mar 07 00:21:39 Oh, also, are you running in FREMANTLE_ARMEL or FREMANTLE_X86 environment? Mar 07 00:23:55 sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: Mar 07 00:25:05 should it be ARMEL? Mar 07 00:25:29 No, X86 for running in Xephyr Mar 07 00:25:31 hmpf Mar 07 00:26:29 Just created a new project. saying I want a qt application. Runs instantly on my desktop. But in scratchbox I get the segmentation fault Mar 07 00:30:50 Sorry, having to download qt4 dev stuff Mar 07 00:32:20 <[Evan]> Does anybody know how many applicants Maemo got last year for GSoC 2009? Mar 07 00:33:29 wizkoder: QT app ran fine over here Mar 07 00:36:04 bnhw: thats strange. So its my environment. Mar 07 00:40:36 installed the qt dev libs with: "fakeroot apt-get install libqt4-gui libqt4-dev" Mar 07 00:40:52 wizkoder: Sounds fine Mar 07 00:42:28 what program do you typically use to backup a maemo install from your sd card? Mar 07 00:42:41 i'm wondering if tar would be sufficient Mar 07 00:42:50 the backup app? Mar 07 00:43:09 not the data Mar 07 00:43:19 but a backup of the OS Mar 07 00:43:43 i try to keep my data and the OS seperate actually Mar 07 00:44:09 l7: you could use dd to get an image of the disk Mar 07 00:44:10 have u looked at the backup app? if not then something like rsync Mar 07 00:44:20 bnhw: This was my tutorial: http://www.alphatek.info/2010/02/14/maemo-5-sdk-add-repositories-install-qt-and-deploy-our-first-app-in-the-emulator/ Mar 07 00:44:26 and the app there works Mar 07 00:44:28 or dd as bnhw saud Mar 07 00:45:41 bnhw: yeah i was trying to do that before actually Mar 07 00:45:57 s/saud/said/ Mar 07 00:45:58 the install is 300mb on a 7gb partition though Mar 07 00:45:58 swc|666 meant: or dd as bnhw said Mar 07 00:46:19 wizkoder: did you install by these guidelines? http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation Mar 07 00:46:20 and i only have a fat partition handy avaiable as a backup target right now Mar 07 00:46:41 next time i will keep my OS partition under a gig Mar 07 00:47:13 i guess i could give grsync a go Mar 07 00:47:24 bnhw: yes Mar 07 00:48:15 l7: If you don't want/can't have a byte-perfect copy then backup app is probably better. You can use it to backup your list of installed packages Mar 07 00:48:53 bnhw: reading though again to see if I missed something Mar 07 00:49:11 wizkoder: Are you on a non-debian distro? Mar 07 00:49:24 bnhw: kubuntu 9.10 Mar 07 00:49:33 would "tar -cvpzf /tmp/backup.tar.gz -–exclude= --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/sys --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/media /" be appropriate? Mar 07 00:49:47 it's actually cribbed from ubuntu's backup page Mar 07 00:50:34 tar -cvpzf /tmp/backup.tar.gz --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/sys --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/media / Mar 07 00:50:37 actually Mar 07 00:51:25 wizkoder: Why not try the installer? Mar 07 00:52:00 wizkoder: It's possible that the manual instructions are broken Mar 07 00:53:48 bnhw: jts have seen that I forgot to add the extra repos. inserted that and updating. maybe I got an old version? Mar 07 00:54:07 wizkoder: Could be! Mar 07 00:56:03 nice to see conversation i cant begin to follow Mar 07 00:57:14 bnhw: hrrrg. now my system is broken. I get now: "/targets/FREMANTLE_X86/usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qatomic_i386.h:132: error: impossible constraint in 'asm'" Mar 07 00:59:56 wizkoder: That doesn't sound good Mar 07 01:04:25 bnhw: do you have that line in your sources.list: "deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free"? Mar 07 01:05:30 inserted that. updated. and nothing works anymore :-( Mar 07 01:06:30 wizkoder: Uh, no. Did you add this to the X86 environment? Mar 07 01:06:47 bnhw: yes. I did Mar 07 01:06:47 wizkoder: Those are ARM binaries in the extras repository Mar 07 01:06:53 damn ;-) Mar 07 01:07:25 Is there a way back? Mar 07 01:09:54 wizkoder: Maybe with some apt/dpkg magic Mar 07 01:10:02 wizkoder: But I'm no magician :| Mar 07 01:11:04 wizkoder: I'm afraid I've gotta dash now. Going to a workshop with Mitch Altman tomorrow! Good luck with your scratchbox. Mar 07 01:11:24 bnhw: guess will start all over tomorrow Mar 07 01:11:42 wizkoder: Try using the installer? Mar 07 01:11:49 will Mar 07 01:11:57 : ) Mar 07 01:54:09 nice /scratchbox/login: line 237: 20537 Segmentation fault Mar 07 02:22:05 who the fuck is mitch altman? Mar 07 02:23:42 nite all, sweet dreams Mar 07 02:44:30 the python packages, in extras, they are all optified and stuff right? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 07 02:59:57 2010