**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 07 02:59:58 2010 Mar 07 03:02:14 it's a sad state of affairs when p2p is faster than youtube Mar 07 03:37:27 crashanddie, i agree Mar 07 04:36:30 where do I get the battery level via commandline? Mar 07 04:36:33 cat /proc/...? Mar 07 04:38:53 I am searching on wiki.maemo.org Mar 07 04:47:04 hal-device bme Mar 07 04:47:11 for battery Mar 07 04:50:05 no /proc or /sys ? Mar 07 05:29:00 morning Mar 07 05:29:45 Stskeeps - good morning Mar 07 05:33:40 ick, nothing to get you awake than a well-written phishing about your danish CC Mar 07 05:33:51 when you're abroad and need the CC for your well-being :P Mar 07 05:34:44 Stskeeps - ha ha. yes, i don't think that would turn out to well. Mar 07 05:34:49 too* Mar 07 05:35:46 it had you startled, it seems. How did you notice it was a phishing scam? Mar 07 05:37:03 ptl: well, first off, there was no contact # number and no secure website to do it, and third, the card bureau in .dk doesn't know me on my uni email Mar 07 05:37:06 :P Mar 07 05:37:13 and second, downloaded html file and ran it through 'more' :P Mar 07 05:38:16 and the fact they speak of accounts and not cards :) Mar 07 05:47:14 what screen protectors are you guys using Mar 07 05:47:22 for the N900, that is Mar 07 05:50:37 none Mar 07 05:54:43 LiraNuna: Zagg InvisibleShield Mar 07 05:54:49 I like it. Mar 07 05:55:06 I've heard some other people say it was the worst screen protector they've ever used. Mar 07 05:55:14 hi Mar 07 05:55:18 min Stskeeps Mar 07 05:55:33 moin Mar 07 05:56:08 lucent, hmm, I only read bad reviews on Zaag Mar 07 05:56:12 yeah Mar 07 05:56:24 well I own it and use it, and I will NOT use another screen protector product Mar 07 05:56:36 the "grippy" feel is unique for the Zagg Mar 07 05:56:39 I really like that. Mar 07 05:56:44 grippy feel? Mar 07 05:57:06 it's not a simple static cling poly sheet Mar 07 05:57:30 hmm... it's like a bit of clear elastic Mar 07 05:57:53 there's a kind of rubbery grip feeling for the Zagg Mar 07 05:58:36 LiraNuna: installing a Zagg is really the problem Mar 07 05:58:55 once it is installed -correctly- it will never come off without you trying like mad to peel it off Mar 07 05:59:16 so you only need one, there's no sense installing a new screen protector or three every few weeks Mar 07 05:59:43 theres no sens installing any protector... Mar 07 05:59:56 the N900 screen scratches easily. Mar 07 06:00:31 it does? Mine has none Mar 07 06:00:35 it really does, for those of you who do not experience scratches on a naked N900 screen, I say you are taking pretty calm approach to a device that is portable Mar 07 06:01:02 sulx, 550$ device, 10$ screen protector Mar 07 06:01:07 you do the math... Mar 07 06:01:28 40$ replacement touchpanel Mar 07 06:01:44 so you would buy new DEVICE if its just screen that has been scratched? Mar 07 06:02:13 screen usability suffers huge impact with protector Mar 07 06:02:19 so not worth it Mar 07 06:02:29 it's not so dramatic, sulx Mar 07 06:02:33 that's personal taste Mar 07 06:02:39 yup Mar 07 06:02:39 yep Mar 07 06:02:51 I was annoyed for about 2 weeks and then I adapted Mar 07 06:03:03 even with the "grippy" Zagg Mar 07 06:03:18 I had zagg for about 2 weeks also... Mar 07 06:05:09 keeping it in a empty pocket helps a lot =) Mar 07 06:05:55 not much difference in usability with durasec Mar 07 06:06:06 though it scratches instantly :D Mar 07 06:06:17 aah durasec! Mar 07 06:06:23 thats what I had...not zagg Mar 07 06:06:56 there's a rather large difference between Zagg and most everything else I've seen and used Mar 07 06:07:03 it's not like Zagg is better Mar 07 06:07:14 ...though, I prefer the Zagg Mar 07 06:09:23 i got the clarivue clear protector and it's very good but i couldn't stand small bubbles beneath it so i'm using raw screen carefully now Mar 07 06:10:10 the bubbles disappear with a Zagg, but the thing that bothers me even now are the dust particulates that were trapped between the screen protector film and the screen Mar 07 06:10:17 when the backlight is off you'd never notice it Mar 07 06:10:33 turn the back light on and all these little hair-like shadows are everywhere Mar 07 06:12:22 so, i'm quite confused about this. i can mount my vfat-formatted microsd from the command-line, and file manager sees that i have a memory card, but when i try to access it from the file manager, it keeps saying it's unsupported Mar 07 06:12:36 any of you had a problem like that while being able to clearly mount it from the command line? Mar 07 06:12:42 "knowlegezone.com" ... Oh the irony Mar 07 06:12:52 hey Vratha, what's up? Mar 07 06:13:16 hi crashanddie Mar 07 06:13:29 lucent: haven't you heard you're supposed to apply protectors either in a cleanroom, or in your bathroom while shower with hot water is creating nice dust Mar 07 06:13:56 s/dust/fogg/ Mar 07 06:13:57 DocScrutinizer meant: lucent: haven't you heard you're supposed to apply protectors either in a cleanroom, or in your bathroom while shower with hot water is creating nice fogg Mar 07 06:14:59 i agree with cleanroom Mar 07 06:15:18 yeah Mar 07 06:15:24 who does that though? Mar 07 06:15:52 didn't think about foggy bathroom before. i might order a new set and try the foggy bathroom Mar 07 06:17:21 i think i have obsessive compulsive tendencies, these protectors wanted to drive me insane Mar 07 06:21:56 I think you suffer from paranoia rather than OCD if you honestly believe that plastic sheets of plastic are trying to drive you insane. Mar 07 06:22:14 s/plastic // Mar 07 06:22:14 crashanddie meant: I think you suffer from paranoia rather than OCD if you honestly believe that sheets of plastic are trying to drive you insane. Mar 07 06:22:35 s/// Mar 07 06:22:49 * lucent taunts infobot Mar 07 06:23:08 ~tell lucent about death Mar 07 06:23:24 man Mar 07 06:24:17 bluemaemo is kind of annoying Mar 07 06:24:30 i can use it for keyboard and mouse input, but i can only do it through the onscreen input Mar 07 06:24:56 how so? Mar 07 06:24:59 i never tried, how does the mouse work, as absolute touchpad? Mar 07 06:25:10 cehteh: yeah Mar 07 06:25:15 hmm, didn't test if it was absolute Mar 07 06:25:17 let me see Mar 07 06:25:37 20 minutes for a page to load :( Mar 07 06:25:38 would be funny to use the accelerometer to detecht movements on a plain surface, aka using the n900 like a normal mouse :P Mar 07 06:25:55 that would suck Mar 07 06:26:00 it doesn't work very well Mar 07 06:26:11 its a toy anyway :P Mar 07 06:26:30 don't forget that mice pointers work through a combination of speed and distance Mar 07 06:26:31 no, i would actually use this Mar 07 06:26:42 not the mouse part, but definitely the keyboard portion Mar 07 06:26:55 speed is hard to calculate based on accelerometer data Mar 07 06:27:22 crashanddie: if the surface is plain you can calculate speed and distance, but horribly inprecise Mar 07 06:27:38 the LIS302 isn't sensitive enough for such kind of low accel inertial Mar 07 06:27:58 cehteh: no, the bluemaemo mouse is not absolute Mar 07 06:28:05 just tested Mar 07 06:28:08 sure, i only talking about some fun toy, not useful beyond a "because we can" demo Mar 07 06:28:22 Vratha: like a normal touchpad then Mar 07 06:28:27 yes Mar 07 06:28:40 the thing i disabled on my laptop because i dont like it :P Mar 07 06:28:54 this laptop has trackstick too .. Mar 07 06:29:22 and once i've written the trackstick emulation for the xorg synaptics driver :P Mar 07 06:29:32 old laptop had no trackstick Mar 07 06:33:59 only semi-usable thing you can do with accelmeter and mousepointer is a direct relation (orientation of accelmeter)->(absolute position of pointer) Mar 07 06:35:39 for a full slide of pointer from one end of screen to the other you probably want to tilt the sensor device by at least 90° Mar 07 06:36:27 -45°=left border, 0°=middle, +45°=right border Mar 07 06:36:55 same for up/down Mar 07 06:38:21 so, back to N900s and microsd cards Mar 07 06:38:48 anyone have a vfat-formatted microsd that you can manually mount from the command line but file manager keeps saying "Memory Card Format Unsupported"? Mar 07 06:39:18 that doesnt surprise me Mar 07 06:39:40 the script trying to mount it is quite braindead Mar 07 06:39:55 I wouldn't call it braindead Mar 07 06:40:11 if you know the location of the script, i could take a look Mar 07 06:40:25 also, my n900 is retarded when i hook it up to my Mac via USB Mar 07 06:40:36 it keeps creating a new network device with a different Mac Mar 07 06:40:37 /usr/sbin/mmc-mount maybe Mar 07 06:40:42 with a different MAC Mar 07 06:40:50 so my mac keeps thinking it's a new device Mar 07 06:41:10 i had that fixed on my last install, but now i can't find the help i used to resolve that. think it was some udev rules file Mar 07 06:41:14 if any of you know Mar 07 06:42:39 /etc/event.d/rcS-late creates the fstab Mar 07 06:43:16 dunno if it cares for sd card too Mar 07 06:43:18 fstab isn't used for sd mounting Mar 07 06:43:20 how do you know that? i wouldn't have guessed to check /etc/event.d (didn't know it existed) Mar 07 06:44:11 I got 3 partitions on a 16GB uSD: 14GB VFAT, 1.5GB ext3, 500MB swap. works flawlessly so far Mar 07 06:44:22 grep i've rewritzen it all ext3 here Mar 07 06:44:54 DocScrutinizer: straight out of the box with the latest version of maemo? Mar 07 06:45:03 latest version of the nokia maemo, that is Mar 07 06:45:06 (and even boots SHR-U ;-] ) Mar 07 06:45:13 /usr/sbin/mmc-mount Mar 07 06:45:33 shr-u? Mar 07 06:45:45 i was also wondering what shr-u is Mar 07 06:45:52 can be the that uSD is handled elsewhere Mar 07 06:45:59 Vratha: well, errr... yes Mar 07 06:46:22 arachnist: a distro for OM freerunner Mar 07 06:46:40 ShadowJK: who calls that? Mar 07 06:46:50 * ShadowJK shrugs Mar 07 06:47:11 ke-recv maybe? Mar 07 06:48:34 ah yes Mar 07 06:48:39 oh Mar 07 06:48:51 this is annoying Mar 07 06:49:16 this is a mess Mar 07 06:49:55 * cehteh just removed the nokiaisms, reformatted to ext3 and mount the partitions statically at boot .. done Mar 07 06:50:28 well, i'd rather just get it working without going around the barn to do it Mar 07 06:50:36 ~ping Mar 07 06:50:37 ~pong Mar 07 06:50:38 mhm i think i forgotten to remove ke-recv from te boot it still lingers around waiting for nothing Mar 07 06:50:56 Vratha: how is your uSD formatted Mar 07 06:51:02 cehteh: you formatted the internal flash with ext3? Mar 07 06:51:14 cehteh: 1 partition, vfat Mar 07 06:51:16 VFAT on the device .. or one single partition containing the VFAT? Mar 07 06:51:18 iirc people add a || mount -t auto type thingy to he script to make their ext3 cards automount.:) Mar 07 06:51:24 as in, the one which contains the / and swap by default? Mar 07 06:51:29 arachnist: the emmc yes Mar 07 06:51:43 cehteh: you know that this was a rather bad idea? Mar 07 06:51:44 not the root, thats still ubifs of course Mar 07 06:51:49 oh Mar 07 06:52:00 arachnist: the MyDocs part Mar 07 06:52:07 arachnist: i know what i am doing Mar 07 06:52:10 :) Mar 07 06:52:44 arachnist: swap for sure no ext3 Mar 07 06:52:46 would it be possible to run ext4 on top of the ubi block layer? Mar 07 06:53:12 cehteh: dont Mar 07 06:53:36 arachnist: also swap is on eMMC while / is on NAND Mar 07 06:53:44 even if it worked, it's a bad idea Mar 07 06:53:54 DocScrutinizer: actually i even considered that .. swap files are as fast as partitions since ages .. having swap on one big ext3 would give advantage of broader wear leveling and eat less static space Mar 07 06:54:17 ShadowJK: sure thats a bad idea, but i even wonder if it will actually work Mar 07 06:54:19 cehteh: ack Mar 07 06:54:38 cehteh: probably not Mar 07 06:54:44 ext4 wants a block device Mar 07 06:55:01 ubi provides some kind of block device Mar 07 06:55:14 (bekow ubifs) Mar 07 06:55:19 on top of mtd Mar 07 06:55:22 cehteh: the better question would be: can you run ubifs on ubi on block2mtd on emmc/uSD? Mar 07 06:55:40 cehteh: though I'd guess wear leveling is done in eMMC controller, independently of any partitioning or file or inode Mar 07 06:55:51 that would be awful too as long emmc has no raw access Mar 07 06:56:28 DocScrutinizer: yes it is but someone told me that it only spans relative small areas Mar 07 06:56:45 cehteh: well I dunno. block2mtd can emulate eraseblocks, so I'd set it to 256k or 512k Mar 07 06:56:57 so writes rotate over some megabyte big areas but not around the whole device Mar 07 06:57:02 cehteh: that will not change by using a swapfile Mar 07 06:57:21 hopefully LogFS is merged soon and hopefully we can get recent linux to work on n900 again.. Mar 07 06:57:25 DocScrutinizer: i'd use a swap daemon then which creates swapfiles on demand Mar 07 06:57:50 DocScrutinizer: i didn't say that swap is ext3. that'd be rather impossible Mar 07 06:57:59 'swapspace' works kinda well Mar 07 06:58:01 I would not worry about swap wearing out the device. not enough bandwidth :) Mar 07 06:58:37 hey a friend of me once managed to make his ufs (on BSD) a swap ... accidentally ... lmao :P Mar 07 06:59:15 ufs? Mar 07 06:59:22 ShadowJK: yeah that calculation made me think too .. even if you write at full speed constantly it will take some time to wear it out Mar 07 06:59:41 BSD's normal filesystem (like whats ext3 for linux) Mar 07 07:00:06 :-P Mar 07 07:00:47 ugh Mar 07 07:00:59 if i manually mount the uSD, i can see its contents in file manager Mar 07 07:01:21 yeah the filemanager shows any extra mounts Mar 07 07:01:21 if i then umount it, file manager still shows the uSD, but going into it causes "Memory card format unsupported" Mar 07 07:01:53 when i sshfs to the laptop it sees that too (at least when i mount it on /media/laptop .. didnt figured out the mechanics there yet) Mar 07 07:02:00 lol Mar 07 07:02:18 Vratha: cache Mar 07 07:02:36 * ShadowJK 'd add some debug output to the mmc mount script to see if it's called and if the mount works or doesn't, and if it doesn't try do the same mount from shell to see why it fails Mar 07 07:02:59 DocScrutinizer: no Mar 07 07:03:09 this card showed up like that before i ever did any mount Mar 07 07:03:20 Vratha: is there data on the uSD? Mar 07 07:03:30 i mean valueable one? Mar 07 07:03:35 no Mar 07 07:03:39 if not just reformat it from the device Mar 07 07:03:46 then it should be recognized Mar 07 07:03:47 already have Mar 07 07:04:01 Vratha: you possibly by any chance lost the little magbet holting the kickstand? Mar 07 07:04:12 omfg Mar 07 07:04:22 Vratha: you possibly by any chance lost the little magnet holding the kickstand? Mar 07 07:04:28 hehe Mar 07 07:04:31 no Mar 07 07:04:35 yeah that could cause it :P Mar 07 07:04:47 Vratha: you put the back cover back on it? Mar 07 07:04:56 if that was a problem, i wouldn't have been able to mount it manually Mar 07 07:05:02 which i said i did Mar 07 07:05:04 then umounted Mar 07 07:05:12 I'm not sure about that Mar 07 07:05:19 * cehteh neither Mar 07 07:05:27 anyway, it's not the problem Mar 07 07:05:35 the SD card isn't even recognized if the cover is off Mar 07 07:05:36 I'd guess mount gives a shit about state of hotswap-detector Mar 07 07:06:03 Vratha: speaking about cover on Mar 07 07:06:29 the automatic mounting/unmounting is triggered by removing or applying the cover Mar 07 07:06:43 not by inserting the card Mar 07 07:06:46 okay. it isn't the cover Mar 07 07:06:50 i know Mar 07 07:06:52 i just said that Mar 07 07:06:52 ok Mar 07 07:07:01 well dunno then Mar 07 07:07:22 did the card worked before? .. whats its capacity? Mar 07 07:07:32 no, it iddn't work Mar 07 07:07:36 16GB Mar 07 07:07:47 the card is fine Mar 07 07:07:51 might be borked Mar 07 07:07:55 jesus people Mar 07 07:08:00 maybe its just not fully compatible with some curft which tries to recognize it Mar 07 07:08:02 i said i manually mounted it earlier and used it Mar 07 07:08:30 yeah and .. i give a shit about manual .. the nokiaisms are so much borked and make unneccessary assumptions about some stuff Mar 07 07:08:41 Vratha: if it has timing issues, then you'll not see a deterministic behaviour Mar 07 07:09:05 how about add some debug Mar 07 07:09:13 DocScrutinizer: it's deterministic. if i manually mount, it works. if i try to have file manager do its thing, it doesn't work Mar 07 07:09:36 ShadowJK: yeah, i'd love to do that. not sure where logs are kept or how to add debug Mar 07 07:09:49 i wont wonder if the thing which tries to mount it expects some special blocksize and vat parameters which your card fails to support Mar 07 07:10:06 the linux kernel prolly doesnt care .. but the nokia daemon fails on that Mar 07 07:10:11 i mean, i would expect /var/log, but they only have a single file Mar 07 07:10:35 only if you install syslog Mar 07 07:10:42 oh, i'll install that Mar 07 07:11:51 cehteh: what is the name of the nokia daemon(s)? and how did you find out this information? Mar 07 07:11:58 would love to have some docs on it Mar 07 07:12:16 haha .. we too :P Mar 07 07:12:35 intuition, grep, sacrifice a virgin ... Mar 07 07:12:59 only if she's ugly Mar 07 07:13:06 you're aware you easily can *mount* /dev/xyz1 as vfat, even when the actual filesystem lives on a partition /dev/xyz1p1 Mar 07 07:13:15 let the beautiful virgins survive, puh-lease. Mar 07 07:13:42 DocScrutinizer: i know. but i didn't do that Mar 07 07:13:47 /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh Mar 07 07:13:58 it checks that partition type is fat Mar 07 07:14:04 oooooh Mar 07 07:25:18 well, i can manually run that Mar 07 07:25:20 mounts fine Mar 07 07:25:33 i hate File Manager, and i don't see it printing anything new to the logs Mar 07 07:27:13 anyone seeing anything wrong with this regex? !(?:http|https)://(?:[a-z0-9\-_]+\.)+[a-z]{2-5}(?:|\.[a-z]{2})/[a-z0-9\./%&=\?#\-_]+!i Mar 07 07:27:31 muhahahahaaaa Mar 07 07:30:11 what exactly do you want to do with the regex Mar 07 07:30:24 that's a regex??? Mar 07 07:30:34 yes Mar 07 07:31:08 duh, so what's the meaning/semantics of !(?: forex? Mar 07 07:31:52 ! and ! appears to be a pair, with i being a flag Mar 07 07:31:54 (?:...) groups without capturing Mar 07 07:32:32 ffs Mar 07 07:32:46 in any case, I can't get that to match anything.. oh well. Mar 07 07:33:28 if you'd know what it's *supposed* to do, you might be able to decrypt it Mar 07 07:33:37 looks like he just wants the 2-letter domain roots Mar 07 07:33:45 plus a couple more chars Mar 07 07:33:48 don't know why Mar 07 07:34:01 oh wait; that was also in a (?: Mar 07 07:34:28 well, without knowing the purpose of the regex or what the problem is, can't say i see anything wrong with it Mar 07 07:38:51 well what's definitely wrong with it: it's utterly ugly and illegible. Mar 07 07:39:09 * DocScrutinizer suggets things like :alnum: Mar 07 07:39:29 :lower: Mar 07 07:40:00 mhm .. i need a couch with buildin espresso machine .. Mar 07 07:40:20 cehteh: that's paradox :-P Mar 07 07:40:40 yeah ... but hey i have to go to the kitchen to make coffee :P Mar 07 07:40:44 brb Mar 07 07:41:06 but you won't need the couch after that ;-D Mar 07 07:43:07 DocScrutinizer: ! is used instead of / Mar 07 07:43:24 DocScrutinizer: considering there's a lot of slashes in the regex itself, so I don't have to escape the whole thing Mar 07 07:45:49 Vratha & DocScrutinizer: the point is to match any basic URL. Whether it's .com, .info, .co.nz, etc. Also, I need to grab the document + arguments and anchors Mar 07 07:45:53 well I'd start like !https?\:// Mar 07 07:46:17 why escape :? Mar 07 07:46:26 just for fun :-) Mar 07 07:46:37 good point about the https though Mar 07 07:47:17 the (?: is to define a group without having it show up as a selector Mar 07 07:51:16 (?:| looks odd Mar 07 07:52:09 that emoticon looks like a regex Mar 07 07:52:13 oh, it is a regex Mar 07 07:53:31 and now I'm getting tired of regex \:\-\) Mar 07 07:54:12 :\-P{1:1} Mar 07 07:54:43 DocScrutinizer: !https?://(?:[a-z0-9\-_]+\.)+[a-z]{2-5}(?:\.[a-z]{2})?(?::[0-9]{2,5})?/?(?:[a-z0-9\./%&=\?#\-_]+!i Mar 07 07:54:50 better nao :) Mar 07 07:55:11 I'm going to hate myself in 6 months when I need to debug that Mar 07 07:55:25 hat's the whole point Mar 07 07:55:30 Regex is such a temporary knowledge Mar 07 07:55:35 you understand it for about 2 weeks Mar 07 07:55:45 and then you can shove a sasquatch up your bottom Mar 07 07:57:20 errr {2-5} ? Mar 07 07:57:34 isn't that s/-/:/ ? Mar 07 07:57:56 as you stated, temporary knowledge Mar 07 07:58:07 DocScrutinizer: eh? Mar 07 07:58:23 oh, should be 2,5 Mar 07 07:58:31 {2:5} rather than {2-5}? Mar 07 07:58:42 or even , - yeah Mar 07 07:59:02 yeah, i typoed while typing it over Mar 07 08:00:50 why the (?: around the (?::[0-9]{2,5}) ? Mar 07 08:01:34 aah Mar 07 08:01:59 omfg Mar 07 08:02:49 for what it's worth: http://slexy.org/view/s2uy29pqgw Mar 07 08:03:15 DocScrutinizer: to group it so I can ? it Mar 07 08:04:05 yeah, seen Mar 07 08:04:43 doesn't really make sense to me though, as I still fail to get the intention Mar 07 08:05:10 allows the port to be provided if it's non-default Mar 07 08:05:26 for example www.example.com:1234/whatever Mar 07 08:06:35 so obviously this part >(?::[0-9]{2,5})?/?< is false in semantics of last two chars Mar 07 08:07:12 why? Mar 07 08:07:41 http:foo:666az09 Mar 07 08:07:52 instead of Mar 07 08:07:58 http:foo:666/az09 Mar 07 08:08:08 err Mar 07 08:08:12 http://foo:666/az09 Mar 07 08:09:02 well spotted Mar 07 08:10:26 just changed it to (?::[0-9]{2,5})?(?:/|/[a-z0-9... Mar 07 08:14:46 * DocScrutinizer wonders what http://foo:99999 will get you - afaik port range is not up to 10^6-1 Mar 07 08:15:19 don't care about that Mar 07 08:15:20 http://foo:0 also an interesting thing to test ;-P Mar 07 08:15:25 is PR 1.2 out yet?Z Mar 07 08:15:29 ptl: YES Mar 07 08:15:36 yes??? Mar 07 08:15:38 how do I get it? Mar 07 08:15:44 ptl: throw your N900 in the toilet Mar 07 08:15:48 new delivery system Mar 07 08:15:55 lol Mar 07 08:16:13 ok, did that. What now? Mar 07 08:16:20 flush! Mar 07 08:16:21 havent all releases so far started on a monday? Mar 07 08:16:54 however, you'll have to kill a 3 month old chicken and smear its blood on a Citroen 205 while walking in counter-clock-wise direction with your eyes closed Mar 07 08:17:42 ptl: nokia will upgrade it for you, and deliver back to you via gas pipe Mar 07 08:18:00 DocScrutinizer: is that a way of telling him to shove it? Mar 07 08:18:03 "gas pipe"? Mar 07 08:18:10 DocScrutinizer: wow, that's original, but I get my gas via caskets, not pipe Mar 07 08:18:24 ooh, too bad Mar 07 08:18:40 ok, going to get food, laters Mar 07 08:28:26 hi all Mar 07 08:28:33 man the scratchbox download takes ages Mar 07 08:28:44 Can't we host it ona more throughput able server? Mar 07 08:34:33 sivang: no, you have to feel the pain of waiting, to give it proper value. Mar 07 08:47:47 meego yes! Mar 07 09:10:13 kkb110 - random much? Mar 07 09:10:16 :P Mar 07 09:34:51 Morning, all Mar 07 10:25:57 * ioeee saluda o/ Mar 07 10:27:38 uh oh. gartner says 10.5million tablets will be sold Mar 07 10:27:58 the same gartner that predicted billions of itanium Mar 07 10:28:26 * SpeedEvil bought 350 tablets today. Mar 07 10:28:40 (multivitamins) Mar 07 10:29:07 hehe .. itanium tablets :P Mar 07 10:39:15 * noobmonkey awakes from the dead Mar 07 10:51:14 hello Mar 07 10:51:46 hello Milo Mar 07 10:54:19 * ioeee se despide y cierra o/ Mar 07 10:57:32 * ptl is ending his shift today Mar 07 10:58:12 * ptl weeeeeee!!! Mar 07 10:58:30 * ptl is going to take a good day of rest... he deserves it Mar 07 11:02:50 is it possible to configure n900 to be able to recieve messages from unauthorised contacts Mar 07 11:02:53 on jabber Mar 07 11:04:52 it should already be able to - on gtalk the server prevents that though Mar 07 11:07:22 well i have my own jabber setrver Mar 07 11:07:53 and i was flooded with messages when i started psi on my PC Mar 07 11:08:56 ? it can't have been connected on your N900 then Mar 07 11:09:22 it's not possible to selectively recieve messages like that - not anything the N900 does anyway Mar 07 11:11:02 well, all messages that came from unauthorised contacts were left on server Mar 07 11:11:33 which server is this? Mar 07 11:11:59 * noobmonkey blinks Mar 07 11:12:01 ejabberd 2.1.2 Mar 07 11:12:10 * rzr is discovering http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/Group:GNU_Social Mar 07 11:12:23 gnu excludes social Mar 07 11:13:08 jacekowski: that's pretty weird, could you come back tomorrow and ask about it on #telepathy when the devs are around? Mar 07 11:13:09 and includes dead cheese smell ;) Mar 07 11:14:50 is there a discussion of rpm vs deb for meego? I would like to post a survey Mar 07 11:15:48 sgbirch: a survey is on i think Mar 07 11:17:55 sgbirch: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44597 Mar 07 11:21:35 hi Mar 07 11:22:08 hi Mar 07 11:22:37 sgbirch: bookmark this http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Debian_Packaging_working_group#Misc Mar 07 11:24:40 rzr thanks Mar 07 11:25:18 do you think meego should have a community with easy porting of linux software? or a walled "linux garden" like iphone, android Mar 07 11:25:31 bsd, whatever Mar 07 11:25:45 I really dont want to downgrade to rpm again Mar 07 11:26:26 meego should be open of course, with git repos IN ONE PLACE for all open code Mar 07 11:26:55 man ... maemo got so close, but kept screwing up the fundamentals Mar 07 11:27:00 hehe one-place somehow perverts the idea of distributed revision control :) Mar 07 11:27:09 no Mar 07 11:27:41 * SpeedEvil wtfs at packaging fanbois. Mar 07 11:27:44 LOL Not really, the one place is the location of the masters, the ones pushed to the phone Mar 07 11:28:16 all development can be full distrubuted, but is has to come together at some point Mar 07 11:28:50 just like all debian code is in one place, dead easy to grab Mar 07 11:34:53 sgbirch: debian servers are mirrored :) Mar 07 11:45:55 anyone about thats done opengl stuff on the n900 (in c)? Mar 07 11:52:09 sure Mar 07 12:00:00 * n00bmonk3y waves Mar 07 12:00:36 lcuk2 - are you alive and around? :D Mar 07 12:10:58 can i not install perl on the n900/freemantle? Mar 07 12:11:03 perl: Depends: perl-modules (>= 5.8.3-3osso11+0m5) but it is not installable Mar 07 12:13:43 madduck - dont know much about perl, but take a look at this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34321&highlight=perl Mar 07 12:18:52 crashanddie: what is a good candidate solution for security cams and push-to-n900 Mar 07 12:19:21 pupnik: mind qualifying that a bit more? Mar 07 12:20:21 something that can send motion alerts via message or video over network/3g Mar 07 12:21:10 looks like ip cams with integrated motion sense/push are sensible Mar 07 12:22:07 yeah, they're your best bet Mar 07 12:22:10 n00bmonk3y: thanks, that sent me to http://wiki.maemo.org/Perl and there i learnt to just add the SDK APT repository Mar 07 12:22:22 nothing exotic - just "hey something moved, here is the cam link" Mar 07 12:22:35 you can get them pretty cheap, they include a webserver, you can easily program hooks and stuff Mar 07 12:22:43 pupnik: there are quite nice wrappers round 'motion' Mar 07 12:22:44 got some joker setting fire to summa my stuff Mar 07 12:22:57 automatically send out emails, they ftp something directly to a server, can email you the link Mar 07 12:23:05 pupnik: composite cameras can be lots cheaper than ip - if appropriate Mar 07 12:23:23 pupnik: and linux capable USB input sticks are $8 Mar 07 12:23:43 pupnik: I used a few in one of my projects during final year, I can probably get you modelnumbers and pricing information within a few days Mar 07 12:24:30 Also more sensitive Mar 07 12:25:27 yeah the composite with a mess of inputs and ADCs is an option Mar 07 12:29:44 Does someone know how to make this busybox ash save the history after every command? Like putting export PROMPT_COMMAND="history -n; history -a" in .bashrc for bash. Mar 07 12:30:26 Shapeshifter: Install bash? Mar 07 12:31:10 fnordianslip: so, busybox doesn't support that? Mar 07 12:31:23 dunno, i installed bach Mar 07 12:31:28 bash, even Mar 07 12:32:28 fnordianslip: any problems with bash so far? Mar 07 12:32:55 i haven't set it for root, only user, but no probs so far Mar 07 12:33:34 mhh Mar 07 12:33:59 had it like that for about 3 months Mar 07 12:37:40 Mh, and how can I change the colors for this X Terminal? .Xdefaults doesn't seem to work. Mar 07 12:37:58 and googling didn't yield anything. surprisingly Mar 07 12:38:20 http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=5796&stc=1&d=1263445528 but it seems to be possible. Mar 07 12:39:06 xterm text colours on Maemo5? Use Font options in menu? Mar 07 12:39:28 Shapeshifter: every serious shell user should install bash or zsh and the *-gnu utils. busybox sucks Mar 07 12:40:19 are the gnu-utils packages ok? optified? Mar 07 12:40:30 fnordianslip: mhh. thanks. but there's only foreground/background Mar 07 12:40:37 fnordianslip: but that's most important. Mar 07 12:40:50 t-tan: okay. zsh? last time I checked it didn't have zsh. Mar 07 12:40:54 * Shapeshifter checks again Mar 07 12:42:00 * madduck wants zsh-beta Mar 07 12:43:20 fnordianslip: yep, optified Mar 07 12:43:56 getting quite tight on rootfs space again here Mar 07 12:44:19 IIRC ruskie ported zsh Mar 07 12:44:51 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie Mar 07 12:45:54 gnu-tools are coreutils-gnu, findutils-gnu, sed-gnu, grep-gnu Mar 07 12:46:01 is there any unified address to access activated m5 theme on the device? Mar 07 12:46:06 mhh. his own repo. Mar 07 12:46:13 why not just extras-devel Mar 07 12:46:39 bash is in SDK, gnu-tools in extras-testing Mar 07 12:46:55 t-tan: I meant zsh by ruskie Mar 07 12:47:26 don't know why he didn't push it to extras Mar 07 13:00:45 is there any way of displaying my last 4 or 5 emails in a widget? Mar 07 13:00:53 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/array-theme/0.5/ Anyone care to test this for a little while? Mar 07 13:02:45 t-tan, Shapeshifter because I don't really like the /optification crap Mar 07 13:12:58 ruskie: with echo none > debian/optify you can disable the craptification...err..optification Mar 07 13:41:02 * n00bmonk3y grumbles.... debugging is seriously not fun :( Mar 07 13:43:01 its more fun if there are no bugs Mar 07 13:44:49 yeah :) - there awsnt... now i'm getting GTK Errors on a pyQT app not using GTK Mar 07 13:44:54 wasn't* Mar 07 13:45:05 Figured out if i import GTK - app works with a warning Mar 07 13:45:13 if i dont import i get a segmentation fault Mar 07 13:47:23 eek. i'm trying to edge into gui app development with qt but haven't really got close to starting yet. Mar 07 13:48:32 what does your app do? Mar 07 13:49:11 t-tan, I simply don't run it through maemo-optify-deb :) Mar 07 13:49:13 healthcheck :| Mar 07 13:49:31 learning to code though, so gonna have to learn how to debug :D Mar 07 13:49:34 t-tan, I also have gcoreutuls and gtar since I prefer binary prefixed not installed to yet another crap location Mar 07 13:49:34 can it tell if the usb socket has fallen out? Mar 07 13:49:43 lol :P - not yet Mar 07 13:50:34 hey, it could keep a log of accelerations to prove that the device wasn't mishandled :) Mar 07 13:51:18 lol good idea - app to record sudden movements ;) Mar 07 13:51:30 ruskie: my new versions have both bin/g* prefix and bin/gnu/* without prefix. the latter is very useful if you don't want to modify sane scripts Mar 07 13:51:53 ruskie: the "none" disables the optify step on autobuilder Mar 07 13:54:39 ruskie: does "rm -i" work with your version? it segfaults with mine. could be a libc problem Mar 07 13:55:23 works fine Mar 07 13:56:31 ruskie: ok, thanks. so I'll upgrade to a later version than 7.4 Mar 07 13:58:45 Has anybody else here killed his/her N810 testing a bluetooth service? I've got two now Mar 07 14:14:56 grrrrrrrr Mar 07 14:15:09 whittled down my seg fault to one line Mar 07 14:15:14 and it really isnt helpful Mar 07 14:15:21 app = QtGui.QApplication(sys.argv) Mar 07 14:23:52 hello i still have a probleme with my n900 when i try to film something it says me "échec de l'opération"(=operation failure ?), it's juste chan i push the button to film, i can take photos without problem Mar 07 14:26:27 :| Mar 07 14:32:02 * n00bmonk3y is about to give up... gtk is persistent... yet i can find no trace of gtk in my code :( Mar 07 14:32:20 someone hid it in there Mar 07 14:32:21 ;P Mar 07 14:33:29 n00bmonk3y: learn to debug? Mar 07 14:34:13 or rewrite the whole app Mar 07 14:34:37 I think learning how to debug will be a better investment for future use Mar 07 14:35:38 nobody has an idea someone has spoken that it can be linked with audio but i don't know how to get the app using the sound system Mar 07 14:38:05 :) Mar 07 14:38:16 lol crashanddie - i agree entirely Mar 07 14:38:18 just hard.... Mar 07 14:38:44 and lol Arif_ - i added gtk to a qt app... but finally learnt how to do it properly, and seem t ohave screwed myself Mar 07 14:39:02 Irony is it works fine for me... just not for lcuk Mar 07 14:39:07 (i only get a warning) Mar 07 14:40:43 stop mixing weird things with eachother Mar 07 14:42:07 what are you writing anyway :D Mar 07 14:44:24 lol trying to stop mixing things :P Mar 07 14:44:46 writing healthcheck - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45453 Mar 07 14:44:56 someone should write a fart app Mar 07 14:44:57 :p Mar 07 14:45:06 :D will put that on my todo list Mar 07 14:45:19 'pull my finger' it shall be called Mar 07 14:45:54 yay Mar 07 14:46:11 you could call it "Appstore Clone" Mar 07 14:47:18 haha :P Mar 07 14:59:20 hi Mar 07 15:00:11 heya Mar 07 15:02:17 Hi, i need a help on which is better OS version for usability for 770 Mar 07 15:04:57 y Mar 07 15:06:27 ooo sorry i have no idea :) Mar 07 15:13:51 * Arif_ wonders when N900 users will ask that Mar 07 15:13:52 :P Mar 07 15:14:56 * haltdef wants one Mar 07 15:15:03 :) Mar 07 15:15:14 lol Mar 07 15:15:37 msm7200a WM device to cortex A8 maemo 5 .. hopefully I'll be blown away Mar 07 15:16:05 * n00bmonk3y goes to wrap xmas presents ;) Mar 07 15:16:48 in March? Mar 07 15:17:04 can I have some too? Mar 07 15:17:50 this is the most ghetto-style email I have ever sent Mar 07 15:18:08 I just sent a project status update through telnet/smtp because gmail won't load Mar 07 15:18:12 get paid end of the month for the first time, will be the most money I've had in one place ready to blow on whatever I want :p Mar 07 15:18:15 (first job) Mar 07 15:18:35 haltdef: put 10-20% on your savings account Mar 07 15:19:00 yea Mar 07 15:19:01 haltdef: and congrats on the first job Mar 07 15:19:24 thanks :p Mar 07 15:19:33 haltdef: do you pay rent or are you still living at your parents'? Mar 07 15:19:40 parents Mar 07 15:19:47 ok, defo make that 20% :P Mar 07 15:20:11 don't blow it all at once, show your parents you can manage your money Mar 07 15:20:42 for the first two months, be very humble with your money, don't buy a new sound system, get your MOT done on the car Mar 07 15:20:51 don't have a car Mar 07 15:20:53 after that, you'll be free like a bird Mar 07 15:20:59 they won't ever bother you again Mar 07 15:21:09 they don't bother me now :P Mar 07 15:21:26 no, but they will if you live with 'em, make money, don't pay rent, and buy stupid crap :P Mar 07 15:21:44 I will be paying them rent, more than fair amount though Mar 07 15:22:00 ok, fair enough Mar 07 15:22:08 can I ask how much of your wage is going towards rent? Mar 07 15:22:15 How much do you pay for transport? Mar 07 15:22:23 whats your job? :P Mar 07 15:22:27 (percentage, don't care about actual values) Mar 07 15:23:00 £250 or so for rent, £100/mo or so on transport .. not a clue how much I'll be earning a month, taxes and stuff Mar 07 15:23:09 and I stack shelves at a supermarket Mar 07 15:23:37 take 20% off your gross Mar 07 15:23:42 or google "uk tax calculator" Mar 07 15:23:50 put in your gross, it'll spit out your net Mar 07 15:25:09 haltdef: there's a golden rule to follow: there's 3 main expenses for any worker. Transport, rent/mortgage and food. The way to do it is to split them in 3 (30% each). The 10% that are left over go into savings Mar 07 15:25:59 Just setup monthly wirings from your checking to your savings, so you're not tempted to "skip it this month" Mar 07 15:26:16 seriously, the amount of cash you can get just by putting a tenner or so in a savings account is massive Mar 07 15:26:25 crashanddie has bad experience with money? xD Mar 07 15:26:35 Arif_: far from it Mar 07 15:26:50 Arif_: I just know how tempting it is to blow a fat wad of cash on your first paycheck Mar 07 15:26:55 mm, gonna be very careful with my monies .. seen the mess my parents got themselves into Mar 07 15:27:05 heh Mar 07 15:27:10 but if there's £499 left over it's going to nokia :P Mar 07 15:27:11 as a student I don't have transport costs Mar 07 15:27:22 * Stskeeps ponders idly if haltdef was on #unrealircd.. Mar 07 15:27:38 yes, I thought I might run into you here :P Mar 07 15:27:41 damnit Mar 07 15:27:42 :P Mar 07 15:27:42 * Arif_ eats goverment money :D Mar 07 15:28:25 haltdef: got yourself a n900? :P Mar 07 15:28:32 apparently being visually disabled has its advantages after you're 18 ! :P Mar 07 15:28:33 not yet Mar 07 15:28:55 only recently realized I want one, was pleased with my xperia x1 until I got this job Mar 07 15:29:03 absolutely useless for video playback, good job qualcomm Mar 07 15:29:10 heh Mar 07 15:29:18 you should wait for the N900 succesor Mar 07 15:29:23 haltdef: what job? :P Mar 07 15:29:33 supermarket Mar 07 15:29:35 ah Mar 07 15:29:40 ok, last fag and then to bed Mar 07 15:29:49 haltdef watches movies while stacking goods Mar 07 15:29:49 :D Mar 07 15:29:50 spent 18 months unemployed looking for something non-shit, that isn't going to happen Mar 07 15:30:08 nah I wanted to just watch a bit of tv while waiting for trains and buses Mar 07 15:30:11 ah Mar 07 15:30:21 what OS does that run on Mar 07 15:30:36 my htc universal did a great job of videos, doesn't even have a GPU Mar 07 15:30:41 windows mobile Mar 07 15:30:44 Arif_ - last years xmas pressies - delayed delivery :D Mar 07 15:30:54 lol Mar 07 15:31:04 * Arif_ used coreplayer on WM Mar 07 15:31:20 mmhmm Mar 07 15:31:33 not a lot coreplayer can do when all it can decode with is a painfully slow cpu Mar 07 15:31:40 be fine if there was gpu acceleration Mar 07 15:31:41 I kinda miss it on maemo though Mar 07 15:31:51 reencode your movies to 200Kbit :P Mar 07 15:32:04 at 320x240 :D Mar 07 15:32:17 * haltdef cringes Mar 07 15:32:54 x1 is wvga Mar 07 15:33:04 I want KMPlayer with hardware decoding Mar 07 15:33:11 buffering a TV stream takes like a minute Mar 07 15:33:28 and if it stutters the audio/video gets desynced Mar 07 15:33:34 ={ Mar 07 15:35:07 :< Mar 07 15:35:41 most I'd want to play on it is a 576p x264 in mkv Mar 07 15:35:59 the N900 can't do that either Mar 07 15:36:01 :p Mar 07 15:36:17 yea, that'd be rare Mar 07 15:36:31 mostly 480p x264 or much lower resolution xvid Mar 07 15:36:42 not the warezed mkvs I threw at it at least Mar 07 15:36:44 :( Mar 07 15:36:54 would they have been 720p? Mar 07 15:37:00 no Mar 07 15:37:23 those 60MB TV reencodes Mar 07 15:37:30 .. 60MB? Mar 07 15:37:36 how long were they, 4 minutes? Mar 07 15:37:43 22 :P Mar 07 15:37:47 oh dear god Mar 07 15:37:58 those can't look good Mar 07 15:37:58 I usually watch 175MB rips on the phone Mar 07 15:38:08 and 720ps on the PC :P Mar 07 15:38:35 that's what I'd do, I can't stand most xvid dvdrips though, messing with the resolution for no good reason Mar 07 15:38:57 places you can get encodes that are the same res as the dvd, 720x576 for PAL :p Mar 07 15:39:04 2mbps bitrate or so, depends on the source Mar 07 15:39:28 I mostly stream my TV card Mar 07 15:39:48 but KMPlayer can't cope with higher than 384 video in H.264 format Mar 07 15:39:49 :P Mar 07 15:39:58 oh nice, what software do you use on the pc side to do that? Mar 07 15:40:14 DVBViewer+Recording Service that uses VLC as streamer Mar 07 15:40:43 is the built in media player on the n900 no good then? Mar 07 15:41:02 the built in player doesn't support it at all Mar 07 15:41:04 :) Mar 07 15:41:36 maybe because it's in a TS container Mar 07 15:41:43 Stskeeps: it seems we can't evade the IRC people. Mar 07 15:42:26 w00t :o Mar 07 15:42:35 haltdef: learnt any kind of programming language yet? :P Mar 07 15:42:41 no Mar 07 15:42:55 :P Mar 07 15:44:44 hrm, I guess xchat on maemo can be configured to connect to multiple servers on start? Mar 07 15:45:01 be nice not having to faff with rdp and use mirc, gets a bit painful over gprs Mar 07 15:45:50 there's a vnc viewer Mar 07 15:45:54 with no rightclick ! Mar 07 15:45:56 :P Mar 07 15:46:16 vnc ftl Mar 07 15:46:31 use rdp on my x1 now, nice over 3g Mar 07 15:46:35 vnc .. isn't. Mar 07 15:46:55 it's hard to use with no stylus and no zoom feature Mar 07 15:47:50 yea I couldn't use a capacitive device Mar 07 15:48:37 * Arif_ refuses to pay €7 for a new stylus Mar 07 15:48:46 ouch Mar 07 15:49:31 * SpeedEvil found old stylus :) Mar 07 15:50:17 * Arif_ waits till DX has N900 styli :P Mar 07 15:50:46 so what's this n900 sucessor? not heard anything about it Mar 07 15:50:57 there isn't one yet Mar 07 15:50:59 we don't know anything, but we're pretty happy with n900 Mar 07 15:50:59 :P Mar 07 15:51:27 hmm Mar 07 15:51:28 why would you not be Mar 07 15:51:45 * haltdef wants a nice bulky phone Mar 07 15:52:11 haltdef, get an iPhone! Mar 07 15:52:17 htc universal was the perfect size, it hasn't had a successor though :( Mar 07 15:52:33 vga, no hsdpa or edge, no gpu, no gps Mar 07 15:52:53 iPhone has a GPU and GPS Mar 07 15:52:54 :O Mar 07 15:52:55 haltdef, how about a Psion 5mx design with a built-in phone? Mar 07 15:53:05 and it's lower than VGA :D Mar 07 15:53:08 HVGA and keyboardless :< Mar 07 15:53:11 480x320 or something Mar 07 15:53:15 forgot Mar 07 15:53:34 it also has a half eaten apple on the back Mar 07 15:53:38 everyone seems to love it :P Mar 07 15:53:48 Arif, lower resolution is just fine 95% of the time. Mar 07 15:54:02 the pda I had in 2003 was VGA, don't get why so many devices use such a crap res Mar 07 15:54:52 does it really matter on such small screens Mar 07 15:55:05 yes Mar 07 15:55:14 Only when viewing photos can you see any difference. Mar 07 15:55:29 videos :p Mar 07 15:55:45 On videos you won't notice any difference. Mar 07 15:56:43 High resolution just makes it difficult to tap on things. Mar 07 15:57:15 only if not done right Mar 07 15:57:18 what does the resolution have to do with that? Mar 07 15:57:40 same with 'high resolution makes text hard to read"... ofc... if you don't tune the dpi Mar 07 15:58:11 Kegetys, encourages usage of small elements. Mar 07 15:59:18 satmd, of course I don't adjust dpi. I don't like twiddling. Mar 07 15:59:29 yeah Mar 07 15:59:33 VNC viewer needs a zoom feature Mar 07 15:59:34 :P Mar 07 15:59:39 and XChat needs bigger buttons Mar 07 16:03:34 Arif_: gvncviewer has zoom Mar 07 16:03:40 Arif_: (no idea if maemo has that) Mar 07 16:05:54 nasýl kurarým linux ? Mar 07 16:06:04 How do I set up linux Mar 07 16:06:27 Stskeeps, do the turks just follow you around or something? :P Mar 07 16:07:32 What do you haltdef Mar 07 16:07:34 TurkuaZ, you're in the wrong IRC channel, maybe? Mar 07 16:08:18 Which channel Giricek andre__ Mar 07 16:08:36 TurkuaZ: well first you need to pick which distribution you wish to use Mar 07 16:08:39 and find that channel Mar 07 16:09:01 this one is for Maemo, used in Nokia mobile phones for example Mar 07 16:09:35 if you have never used linux before, I suggest heading into http://www.ubuntu.com/ and #ubuntu Mar 07 16:10:04 thanks red Mar 07 16:10:09 hf Mar 07 16:11:39 * Arif_ hides Mar 07 16:13:11 I don't know him and I don't have anything to do with him... = P Mar 07 16:17:44 hrm, hope weave on mobile firefox will let you use a custom server Mar 07 16:18:37 nowhere to do it through the gui on the windows build Mar 07 16:31:14 LOL http://ftp.cc.uoc.gr/.404.html Mar 07 16:35:26 MohammadAG, you'll like Marvin too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_the_Paranoid_Android Mar 07 16:37:09 lol Mar 07 16:37:42 Read The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, I think the guys who made that 404 were inspired by marvin :) Mar 07 16:38:28 thought it'd never end lol Mar 07 16:39:01 oh well, back to mounting the rootfs.jffs2 file Mar 07 16:45:18 mount: unknown filesystem type 'ubifs' :/ Mar 07 16:46:42 * Arif_ wonders what MohammadAG is doing Mar 07 16:46:45 :P Mar 07 16:47:18 Arif_, trying to mount the rootfs image from a FIASCO image to get the PR1.0 keyboard files Mar 07 16:47:56 ={ Mar 07 16:48:43 Arif_, this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40619 :) Mar 07 16:49:27 oo Mar 07 16:49:29 better vkb Mar 07 16:49:42 maybe it'll be fixed in PR1.2! Mar 07 16:49:54 they broke it by intention, why would they fix it Mar 07 16:50:17 Damn how nostalic this feels. I haven't been using irc for at least 12 years. Mar 07 16:50:18 or else we'll stab Nokia with a fork! Mar 07 16:50:46 Arif_: pitch, or dinner? Mar 07 16:50:54 pitch Mar 07 16:51:04 I don't want evil Nokia on my eating fork :p Mar 07 16:51:04 lol Mar 07 16:51:10 hy everybody Mar 07 16:51:23 how can I deinstall the maemo sdk? Mar 07 16:51:46 Hi wizkoder. Using debian? Mar 07 16:51:53 rm -r /scratchbox Mar 07 16:51:54 kubuntu 9.10 Mar 07 16:52:11 rm -rf /scratchbox Mar 07 16:52:24 I renamed /scratchbox to /scratchbox_old. But when I start the installer I get errors Mar 07 16:53:10 which say? Mar 07 16:54:33 E: Something went wrong with the install. Sorry. Mar 07 16:54:33 V [11:54:18 07.03.2010]: Installer execution failed Mar 07 16:54:33 V [11:54:18 07.03.2010]: ----- Begin logging exception ----- Mar 07 16:54:33 Traceback (most recent call last): Mar 07 16:54:34 File "maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py", line 2921, in run Mar 07 16:54:36 task() Mar 07 16:54:38 File "maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py", line 2460, in __taskInstallScratchbox Mar 07 16:54:40 raise Exception("Installer execution failed") Mar 07 16:54:43 Exception: Installer execution failed Mar 07 16:54:45 V [11:54:18 07.03.2010]: ----- End logging exception ----- Mar 07 16:54:47 V [11:54:18 07.03.2010]: Executor set exit status to (status_error) Mar 07 16:55:03 E: Scratchbox command '/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser' is not executable. Mar 07 16:55:21 try sudo apt-get autoremove scratchbox* Mar 07 16:55:34 though I doubt it installs anything like that... Mar 07 16:57:30 Found it. When I start the installer when scratchbox is still there it asks if I want to uninstall Mar 07 16:58:37 I updated my packages yesterday inside scratchbox. then nothing works anymore! never do that! Mar 07 16:59:26 wizkoder, how exactly did you update Mar 07 16:59:39 fakeroot apt-get upgrade works well here Mar 07 16:59:45 dist-upgrade might break it though Mar 07 16:59:58 fakeroot apt-get update && fakeroot apt-get upgrade Mar 07 17:00:14 after that I got "asm" errors Mar 07 17:00:58 Now I will need another whole day to reinstall everything :-( Mar 07 17:02:26 doh >_< Mar 07 17:26:02 hey, anyone here might know why aren't downloads working on microb for me? Mar 07 17:26:39 no matter the sitw/file/folder I'm saving stuff too, progress just stays on 0% Mar 07 17:28:30 whoops quit xchat accidentally Mar 07 17:29:50 franz: I haven't tried downloads from microB yet. Will try immediately Mar 07 17:30:37 they were working until a while ago, my first guess would be permissions, but it all seems normal... Mar 07 17:32:01 and it's not certain connections or sites? Mar 07 17:33:22 hmmm how do you view the user list in xchat? Mar 07 17:33:34 Damn, I need that armor for paintball games :D http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3015/nanosuit2statuegamescom.jpg Mar 07 17:34:16 I don't think so, it happened on two different sites right now... Mar 07 17:34:29 microb works with rapidshare right? :P Mar 07 17:34:44 what kind of files are you downloading? Mar 07 17:35:16 right now a .zip Mar 07 17:35:54 have you been testing with other files? Mar 07 17:37:14 no... hmm, maybe I should try testing it all before asking for help Mar 07 17:38:03 yes, I'm just trying to isolate the problem :) Mar 07 17:40:20 hmm, let me try a couple more things then, be back later if it still doesnt work Mar 07 17:51:57 Stskeeps, in all your dist investigations for maemo, did you writeup any notes on the maemo startup process Mar 07 17:52:30 lcuk2: first recently i got into fremantle, but i don't have notes Mar 07 17:52:32 just in my head Mar 07 17:52:36 so shoot with any questions Mar 07 17:53:34 i will have to work out the questions first, theres a few things that could do with shifting around Mar 07 17:53:42 * NoobMonk3y thinks stskeeps has a very impressive big head :) Mar 07 17:54:04 NoobMonk3y: no, i'm a maemo.org *master, it's required to contain it :P Mar 07 17:54:16 lol :) Mar 07 17:55:35 Stskeeps, i will be looking indepth tomorrow at the startup and what happens before during and after upstart Mar 07 17:55:55 and any special modes and considerations it currently runs Mar 07 17:56:03 lcuk2: OK, i'll probably be fairly busy with meetings here in hel tomorrow but feel free to mail me any Mar 07 17:56:08 start at preinit and getbootstate Mar 07 17:56:11 yeah ofc Mar 07 17:56:51 * lcuk2 has some special sunglasses so eyes dont get stung from looking inside the tardis Mar 07 17:58:21 NoobMonk3y, how long does it take your app from submit to extras-devel request to being told there is a .deb available? Mar 07 17:58:40 lcuk about 50 mins Mar 07 17:58:53 mmn i thought that had gonnen much quicker Mar 07 17:59:06 you know the cleaning process that occurs with old versions Mar 07 17:59:23 i just pondered then whether debs could be rebuilt on the fly, but it would probably be hard Mar 07 17:59:24 yeah.... tis avail for upgrade at about 6 mins tho Mar 07 17:59:27 especially knowing the time Mar 07 17:59:37 ahh thats ready then Mar 07 17:59:55 i wonder.. Mar 07 17:59:59 hehe. not at home at the mo though. birthday dinner tonight. so wont be back till 9ish Mar 07 18:00:17 :p that was pondering something else, your birthday? Mar 07 18:00:30 gf's sisters Mar 07 18:00:38 and you are ircing Mar 07 18:00:43 your gf WILL kill you :p Mar 07 18:00:59 yup. not started fooding yet :) Mar 07 18:01:06 lol Mar 07 18:01:10 she is sat next to me! Mar 07 18:01:29 watching some rubbish 50's film! Mar 07 18:01:30 she will get her revenge on you! Mar 07 18:01:57 mrs NoobMonk3y, take the n900 off greg! Mar 07 18:02:07 make him watch the same movie Mar 07 18:02:08 "mrs NoobMonk3y" lol Mar 07 18:02:13 lol she saw that Mar 07 18:02:15 :D Mar 07 18:03:09 Stskeeps, does that mer on n900 also run on x86 (not in a VM, i mean native) Mar 07 18:03:41 hmm, i wonder how i should fMMS to my CV Mar 07 18:03:54 and what title i should use for myself Mar 07 18:04:11 lcuk: yes, it does Mar 07 18:04:37 screeniws/movies? Mar 07 18:04:40 e Mar 07 18:04:55 none handy, but it does Mar 07 18:04:59 and why isnt that fact plastered all over meego Mar 07 18:05:41 cos we'll get meego there :) Mar 07 18:06:01 cool, so i can take the 0.17 build myself and build for my x41? Mar 07 18:06:24 right, grab x86-generic and the guide Mar 07 18:06:51 frals, god of mms'ing? Mar 07 18:07:00 cool Mar 07 18:07:25 NoobMonk3y: well... no ;( Mar 07 18:07:31 do you think the first release of meego on the n900 will work as a phone or have phone functionality? Mar 07 18:07:37 :( Mar 07 18:08:00 dotblank: noone knows Mar 07 18:08:01 * Jaffa looks overy the nascent MWKN issue #6 Mar 07 18:08:08 Jaffa: it's online again? Mar 07 18:08:25 :( Mar 07 18:08:36 s/again/now/ Mar 07 18:08:36 Stskeeps meant: Jaffa: it's online now? Mar 07 18:08:41 dotblank: but since ofono works, there's hope Mar 07 18:08:43 Stskeeps: Will go online tomorrow at 6am UTC Mar 07 18:08:44 NoobMonk3y, dont believe frals :) Mar 07 18:08:46 Jaffa: k Mar 07 18:09:06 Stskeeps: However, atm I'm looking over the articles we've got so far and writing the lead in/lead out and selecting quotes. Mar 07 18:09:17 lcuk? why not, and i thought he was such an honest chap. Mar 07 18:09:43 im not sure the employer in question would take it seriously ;) Mar 07 18:09:58 lol! Mar 07 18:10:04 nokia? hehe Mar 07 18:10:08 ;) Mar 07 18:10:25 Stskeeps: Mer^2 is top of devel section atm Mar 07 18:10:33 Stskeeps: How's it progressing? Mar 07 18:11:13 Jaffa: the snapshot 40 is latest, i am currently waiting for some OBS related issues Mar 07 18:13:31 * b-man|laptop attempts to build a kernel on his n900 hoping nothing goes wrong Mar 07 18:17:48 On my Nokia N900,if i go to Application Manager and click on Update or Download, i get a message "Checking for updates,please wait" and then nothing happens. Mar 07 18:18:02 The Application catalogs on my phone are Nokia Applications,Nokia System Software Updates,Ovi,maemo.org,Maemo Extras. Mar 07 18:18:12 The firmware version on my phone is 3.2010.02-8. Any way to fix the problem ? Mar 07 18:18:41 maybe there are no new updates Mar 07 18:18:51 Im able to browse websites from the browser, but i guess Application manager is unable to connect to the repositories Mar 07 18:19:13 if i search for an Application , it says "No match found" Mar 07 18:19:21 try 'apt-get update' in the terminal as root and see what happens Mar 07 18:21:07 b-man|laptop: i dont know the roor password on my phone..any way to find that out ? Mar 07 18:21:11 root Mar 07 18:21:22 hmm Mar 07 18:21:41 i tried searching for rootsh in the app manager, but it said no match found Mar 07 18:21:53 i think rootsh is needed to get root on the device..am i right ? Mar 07 18:22:30 1 sec Mar 07 18:22:33 ok Mar 07 18:23:13 what's in the log in Application Manager? Mar 07 18:23:36 samw_: basically yes, but there are few other ways too Mar 07 18:23:52 sshd, R&D mode ... Mar 07 18:24:01 b-man|laptop: it says 'hildon-application-manager 2.2.52.2' Mar 07 18:24:14 hmm Mar 07 18:25:05 have you tryed rebooting the device and refreshing again? Mar 07 18:25:25 frals, SW developer/ Open source developer ? then add during this period bla bla I did these projects bla bla :D Mar 07 18:25:27 b-man|laptop: i didnt reboot, ill try that now Mar 07 18:26:13 VDVsx: yeah, ill stick with developer, cheers :) Mar 07 18:31:02 samw_: any luck? Mar 07 18:32:05 woops Mar 07 18:32:23 he left :P Mar 07 18:34:16 samw_: any luck? Mar 07 18:34:47 b-man|laptop: no, it still says "Checking for updates,please wait" and its stuck at that Mar 07 18:36:08 any other way to get root in the X-terminal , so that i can try apt-get update ? Mar 07 18:36:58 you could enable R&D mode Mar 07 18:37:09 b-man|laptop: ok Mar 07 18:37:40 samw_ are you expecting an update for something specific? Mar 07 18:38:02 arnoldthebat: no, i wanted to install rootsh on the phone Mar 07 18:38:13 samw_: https://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode Mar 07 18:38:21 ah, sorry, my mistake Mar 07 18:38:39 samw_: be careful ;) Mar 07 18:38:57 b-man|laptop: thnkx, ill try that :) Mar 07 18:39:32 * b-man|laptop grabs a sandwich Mar 07 18:44:36 b-man|laptop: any reason u think why the phone is unable to get information from the repositories ? Mar 07 18:45:48 anyone here know about software engineering? requirements analysis and stuff? Mar 07 18:46:25 trying to forget that class? ;) Mar 07 18:46:54 lol no i just need some help with an activity diagram Mar 07 18:47:21 samw_: if you can browse the web on the phone go to http://maemo.org/downloads/search/application.html?org_openpsa_products_search[1][property]=title&org_openpsa_products_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search[1][value]=rootsh&org_openpsa_products_search[2][property]=os&org_openpsa_products_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search[2][value]=Maemo5&fetch=Search and just click on the install bbutton Mar 07 18:47:49 maher: ok Mar 07 18:47:50 samw_: that url was kind of long - just browse maemo.org downloads.... Mar 07 18:47:57 alright Mar 07 18:51:36 maher: i went to maemo.org/downloads from the phone. Then i searched for rootsh. After i clicked on the Install link, the application manager opened and now i have a message "Preparing for installation,please wait" but its not going any further :( Mar 07 18:52:30 samw_: at the terminal, try sudo gainroot Mar 07 18:52:48 k Mar 07 18:53:22 i get a message "Enable RD mode if you want to break your device" Mar 07 18:53:59 install rootah Mar 07 18:54:11 s/tah/tsh/ Mar 07 18:54:11 FIQ meant: install rootsh Mar 07 18:54:11 FIQ: rootsh ? Mar 07 18:54:16 yes Mar 07 18:54:21 RD mode consumes more battery power Mar 07 18:54:28 you dont want that =) Mar 07 18:54:29 it's in extras Mar 07 18:54:38 FIQ infobot : thats the problem Mar 07 18:55:01 i want to install rootsh, but im unable to fetch anything from the repository in the Application Manager Mar 07 18:55:10 oh Mar 07 18:55:31 samw_: do you still have the app manager running on the device? Mar 07 18:55:41 maher: yeah Mar 07 18:55:45 try to do it in xte... oh, lol Mar 07 18:56:04 samw_: try and shut down all copies of the app manager before trying to install rootsh manually Mar 07 18:56:43 morning Mar 07 18:56:45 maher: i closed App manager...how can i check if any more copies running ? Mar 07 18:57:32 samperi: ps auxw at terminal Mar 07 18:57:52 k Mar 07 18:57:56 samw_: ps auxw - there will be a lot of output Mar 07 18:58:20 yeah Mar 07 18:59:09 maher: any particular program name i should be looking for in the ps auxw ouput ? Mar 07 18:59:26 samw_: just try installing rootsh again Mar 07 18:59:33 maher: ok Mar 07 19:08:07 maher: again it halts at the message "Preparing for installation,please wait" Mar 07 19:09:24 could it be some problem with the device ?. The firmware version on my phone is 3.2010.02-8 Mar 07 19:11:08 samw_: dunno Mar 07 19:11:15 k Mar 07 19:11:43 is there a deb file for rootsh which i can directly install ? Mar 07 19:18:55 * NoobMonk3y is full..... :) Mar 07 19:24:15 * GAN900 feels like blaming Nokia for the poor candidate turnout. Mar 07 19:24:21 wooooohooooo..finally everything seems to be working ! :)..went to http://espejo.freemoe.org/ Mar 07 19:24:22 what, deadline over? :P Mar 07 19:24:37 seems like some problem with maemo repos...that site has a mirror Mar 07 19:24:43 :) Mar 07 19:27:45 rootsh installed...finally got root on the phone ! :) Mar 07 19:30:38 :) Mar 07 19:31:46 Anyone got a xen image of maemo? Mar 07 19:32:17 nope Mar 07 19:32:19 not meeeeeee Mar 07 19:35:36 * NoobMonk3y blinks Mar 07 19:36:49 why is tv so crap on sunday evenings?! where top gear when you need it Mar 07 19:38:07 NoobMonk3y: on bitorrent? Mar 07 19:38:24 ? Mar 07 19:38:32 just normal tv Mar 07 19:40:38 Hmmmm how do i pull up a user list on xchat? Mar 07 19:41:09 /names ? Mar 07 19:41:49 woah.... big block o' txt! Mar 07 19:41:59 but worked. thankee Mar 07 19:43:06 menu-view-userlist? Mar 07 19:44:05 it is ticked.... but says ctrl-f7 next to it. Mar 07 19:44:21 that doesn't mean anything Mar 07 19:44:58 but also doesnt do anything :) Mar 07 19:45:00 if it "doesn't show up", then it's resized to width=0 probably on right side Mar 07 19:45:20 ahaaaaaaa Mar 07 19:45:24 try grabbing the border frame and drag it to left Mar 07 19:45:26 was on the left Mar 07 19:45:32 well done! Mar 07 19:45:51 and a more buttons. thanks! Mar 07 19:46:03 alot better Mar 07 19:46:28 thanks doc :) Mar 07 19:46:33 yw Mar 07 19:52:03 just ordered my N900 :) I hope it won't be a disappointment Mar 07 19:52:08 question.... if i use py2deb... should i also be using debian control files? Mar 07 19:52:19 wooooop fuuny! good buy Mar 07 19:52:25 you eill love it Mar 07 19:52:27 NoobMonk3y: AIUI, it creates 'em. Mar 07 19:53:17 cool. mailed khertan cos my bugtracker link isnt updating. so was thinking i'd bypass it. maybe not then ?) Mar 07 19:53:22 ty jaffa Mar 07 19:54:23 funnyface on mirc on mine at the mo, got a skype txt going on, mails perm going, and got 3 web pages open. tis a little beast Mar 07 19:54:28 irc* lol Mar 07 19:54:58 Funnyface: depends pretty much on what you expect from a phone Mar 07 19:55:10 Funnyface: for me it's the best phone around Mar 07 19:55:40 me too. although dont use the phone part too much, hehe Mar 07 19:55:47 it has a reasonable operating system (winmo and symbian aren't reasonable) and has a decent hardware keyboard Mar 07 19:56:10 well, to compare, my current phone is a HTC TyTN II Mar 07 19:56:16 ahhhhh Mar 07 19:56:17 I am overly pissed off with winmo Mar 07 19:56:23 and the device was never any good Mar 07 19:56:39 this will be a change :) Mar 07 19:56:53 it was based on some qualcomm chipset where HTC didn't include video drivers Mar 07 19:57:04 ouch.... Mar 07 19:57:08 So, why does .rpm suck so much? Mar 07 19:57:23 so basically, the display was just as sluggish as it is when you have newly reinstalled windows on a computer, without installing the video drivers yet Mar 07 19:57:31 mate of mine got an hd2 last week. he now wishes he got the n900. Mar 07 19:57:52 then, another problem was that the keyboard dropped keystrokes Mar 07 19:58:06 ew kaiser Mar 07 19:58:15 msm72xx is awful too :( Mar 07 19:58:16 joppu, no idea, why did the chicken cross the road.... errrrm why doe ist suck so much? Mar 07 19:58:24 if you tried to type www.google.com, you'd end up with ww.gogle.com thanks to some debouncer. no idea if it was software or hardware, but I never found a solution Mar 07 19:58:46 hmmmm... i miss keys cos i cant type! Mar 07 19:58:56 halfdef: well, I think those chipsets could be great, if they had only just utilized the power in them Mar 07 19:59:08 no they suck Mar 07 19:59:14 slow cpu :< Mar 07 19:59:26 well.. Mar 07 19:59:41 400MHz, but that's what was advertised, and it is reasonable for a device like that, but.. Mar 07 20:00:10 my ~520mhz htc univeral outperforms my similarly clocked xperia x1 easily Mar 07 20:00:11 they didn't utilise the GPU, so the CPU had to handle video as well as its own tasks Mar 07 20:00:25 universal doesn't even have a gpu :P Mar 07 20:00:39 hmmmm... i need a mugen..... Mar 07 20:01:07 well I am no expert, but even the TyTN I had a little GPU Mar 07 20:01:11 just for 2D stuff Mar 07 20:02:16 yep, universal's an old device Mar 07 20:04:07 by the way, is there a GPS app for maemo yet that lets you use preloaded maps so you don't have to waste money on data? Mar 07 20:04:34 maep i think Mar 07 20:04:53 but navit is on its way as well i think Mar 07 20:05:08 great Mar 07 20:05:22 <`0660> i thought nokia released an app for preloading map data Mar 07 20:05:36 yeah never used the map loader Mar 07 20:05:44 heard it works tho Mar 07 20:08:30 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46463 Mar 07 20:10:06 hehe I am kind of surprised that nokia released such a tool Mar 07 20:10:30 :) Mar 07 20:10:33 why? Mar 07 20:10:49 bit of the idea with "over the air as you go" is that the mobile phone companies that make deals with nokia know that they can charge their customers with data later on Mar 07 20:10:53 hmm... map loader don't seem to work Mar 07 20:11:07 that there is more to earn from the device than just the initial sales price and the subscription Mar 07 20:11:20 yeah.... Mar 07 20:11:43 when nokia releases a tool like that, the devices it works on may be less interesting for mobile phone providers Mar 07 20:12:08 Funnyface: sideloading has no real impact on data plans, unless you think there are people who would by the device and play a non-plan rate for data Mar 07 20:12:15 pay* Mar 07 20:12:52 mine is semi flat rate Mar 07 20:13:01 I pay a max price each day Mar 07 20:13:32 which is around 1.50 USD Mar 07 20:14:11 I think I got my flat rate ("3.5Mbps") plan for 10EUR/month Mar 07 20:14:21 It was a limited time offer, however it lasts for 2 years Mar 07 20:14:30 After that it's probably going to be more like 20EUR/month Mar 07 20:16:22 unless prices drop by then Mar 07 20:16:50 eyeap Mar 07 20:17:07 After 2 years I'm free to change providers if I don't like them anymore anyways. Mar 07 20:17:36 :P Mar 07 20:18:25 however, does that deal allow you to use the connection on your PC or just your phone? Mar 07 20:18:33 some providers have stupid "WAP only" deals etc Mar 07 20:19:59 It's full Internet Mar 07 20:20:04 :) Mar 07 20:20:06 Not like they'd be able to tell apart N900 and PC traffic anyways Mar 07 20:20:17 and others just disallow its usage on a real computer in its TOS, although I guess it's hard to enforce that :P Mar 07 20:20:30 when do you get your N900 funny, next working day? Mar 07 20:20:45 ordered it now, so 1-3 days I guess Mar 07 20:20:52 woooooop Mar 07 20:21:07 the website listed 6 in stock Mar 07 20:21:21 I will be really pissed off if they are sold out Mar 07 20:22:03 like "we got 10 orders during the weekend, and we don't update the stock count until after the weekend when we have shipped the phones" :P Mar 07 20:22:16 brb 10 min'ish Mar 07 20:22:29 k Mar 07 20:29:07 anyone bored, and not already tested healthcheck, and ok with extras-devel fancy testing it for me? :) Mar 07 20:30:03 trying to see if anyone else gets the vanishing act on load? Mar 07 20:31:43 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45453 Mar 07 20:35:01 hmmm batterrrrrrrry dyinggggggg Mar 07 20:39:26 * NoobMonk3y blinks Mar 07 20:43:03 its ohhhhh so quieeeeet Mar 07 20:44:11 its oh so still Mar 07 20:45:00 lol Mar 07 20:47:26 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1A_uSEjTIQ Mar 07 20:47:53 w:) Mar 07 20:48:14 will watch it when i get near a charger....! Mar 07 20:48:22 because of this meego project. I actually tried moblin today Mar 07 20:48:24 running low on juice Mar 07 20:48:39 top up n900 with guiness Mar 07 20:48:44 im impressed.. Mar 07 20:48:56 + another n Mar 07 20:48:59 is a bit Lacking in some areas Mar 07 20:49:28 lol lcuk! Mar 07 20:49:52 * lcuk cant wait until real fuel cells come about where thats practical Mar 07 20:50:04 "ill have a pint, and a glass of vodka for my device" Mar 07 20:50:46 * lcuk would marry bjork Mar 07 20:50:56 Lol Mar 07 20:51:57 * lcuk gets chills listening to big time sensuality Mar 07 20:52:03 yeah! could do with a mugen and powermat Mar 07 20:52:49 back Mar 07 20:52:58 wb Mar 07 20:53:15 thanks noob you reminded me to start copying music onto n900 Mar 07 20:53:24 meh 12%battery Mar 07 20:53:34 lol! i'm amazing me Mar 07 20:53:42 heh Mar 07 20:53:55 at the summit, my battery started moaning at me that it was low Mar 07 20:54:03 normally only has about 10 mins left at that point Mar 07 20:54:12 so i sat down to take some notes quick before the battery died Mar 07 20:54:16 ineed to find a decent place to get music from (pay site) Mar 07 20:54:58 tracy gets most of her stuff from itunes Mar 07 20:55:04 n900 is the most godly device i have ever seen Mar 07 20:55:06 got spare styluses now tho. £2 for 3 on ebay :) Mar 07 20:55:06 shame the 900 didnt come with music Mar 07 20:55:14 we know that pupnik Mar 07 20:55:25 lcuk: mine did Mar 07 20:55:28 yeah. not a fan of itunes.... its pesty Mar 07 20:55:30 5 free tracks. Mar 07 20:55:36 (that I haven't claimed yet) Mar 07 20:55:37 SpeedEvil, kewl Mar 07 20:55:50 but 5 tracks isnt like the same deal the other devices have Mar 07 20:55:56 dont some have unlimited Mar 07 20:56:17 Mar 07 20:56:17 Hi, Mar 07 20:56:17 In a random act of kindness, we’ve set you up a Nokia Music Store account that’s ready to be credited with 5 free tracks - that’s almost half an album! Mar 07 20:56:18 yes Mar 07 20:56:20 oops Mar 07 20:56:46 hah Mar 07 20:56:47 i'd be happy to pay£10 or £20 a month for downloads.... Mar 07 20:56:56 i tihnk a lot of people would noob Mar 07 20:57:25 just dont like the online sites like spotify.... Mar 07 20:57:40 i abuse may battery enough as is... Mar 07 20:58:10 lol Mar 07 20:58:13 WOW 5 TRACKS Mar 07 20:58:28 :) Mar 07 20:58:32 I'm happy I hadn't to pay that 10pound / month on top of the already expensive N900, for 24months of music download I don't need, so... Mar 07 20:58:35 better than 4 Mar 07 20:58:35 that you can't play on the N900! Mar 07 20:59:02 sounds like a nokia master plan Mar 07 20:59:24 Nokia Music Store=DRM Mar 07 20:59:27 SpeedEvil, you just gotta find someone else who had a random act of kindness on them and you can almost have a full ablum together"! Mar 07 20:59:30 Nokia N900=No DRM Mar 07 20:59:33 Arif_: they're actually getting rid of that Mar 07 20:59:33 :p Mar 07 20:59:34 :) Mar 07 20:59:37 (as in, drm) Mar 07 20:59:49 Stskeeps, not for the unlimited plan I read somewhere Mar 07 20:59:52 could be wrong though Mar 07 21:00:17 i like buying excellent cds. in 100 years some one might appreciate them Mar 07 21:00:27 so no decent drm free sites to buy music easily from? Mar 07 21:00:30 ok, so if everyone got given the 5 track thing - which would be your 5 tracks Mar 07 21:00:32 I'd gladly pay a monthly fee to legally do all the "piracy" I want.. because pirated stuff is normally so much more convenient than the legal stuff.. Mar 07 21:00:43 they stand and gather dust for me (cds) Mar 07 21:00:49 pupnik: in 100 years they are all rotten Mar 07 21:00:51 and i'm better at preserving my data than my cds Mar 07 21:01:08 cd rot is normally only the copied ink based discs isnt it Mar 07 21:01:19 or have they fscked up the alu prints as well ? Mar 07 21:01:20 nope Mar 07 21:01:28 arg! Mar 07 21:01:30 i have seen a couple pressed cds rot Mar 07 21:01:34 the silver also oxidizes Mar 07 21:01:44 Funnyface: When I had the spare cash, I would download warez books - then if I'd read one - I'd buy a copy of the book by the same author in some format Mar 07 21:01:45 what am i gonna do about my ace of base cd o_O will future generations not be able to listen to it? Mar 07 21:01:47 DocScrutinizer: Al Mar 07 21:01:53 yep Mar 07 21:01:56 even worse Mar 07 21:02:06 go for gold Mar 07 21:02:06 lcuk, flac them ! Mar 07 21:02:10 lcuk: you'll lend my mp3 copy of it from my diamond storage ZFS Mar 07 21:02:11 for 100 years Mar 07 21:02:11 :P Mar 07 21:02:12 * SpeedEvil puts on some Ace of Base. Mar 07 21:02:18 awwww ace of base!!! my first ever tape!! Mar 07 21:02:18 lol Mar 07 21:02:51 * lcuk purchased that cd from the NAFI store in an army base somewhere in deepest darkest germany Mar 07 21:03:07 and the same night tracy rung me to say she was pregnant with luke Mar 07 21:03:12 lol i lived in hamburg 19 yrs ago Mar 07 21:03:22 :) Mar 07 21:03:25 o.o Mar 07 21:03:51 anyway, I believe flat rate is the way to go. pay a monthly fee and watch as many films, play as many games and listen to as much music as you want Mar 07 21:04:03 but even then that's not always the full flexibility you want Mar 07 21:04:05 Funnyface, that doesnt work Mar 07 21:04:10 cos (a) piracy is more than that Mar 07 21:04:21 ssssssssh let us dream! Mar 07 21:04:31 sometimes you might want to for example add a song to a silly youtube video you've made Mar 07 21:04:40 and the people iwll always find something to pirate Mar 07 21:04:41 anyone had any nice results to report about lowering swappiness on the n900? Mar 07 21:04:43 if you release all that Mar 07 21:04:48 then they move to software Mar 07 21:04:53 but.. gl trying to do that the legal way.. I wonder how much the recording industry would charge you for legally making that video Mar 07 21:04:54 and no monthly fee could cover it Mar 07 21:05:13 dvoid_, lowering swappiness? just do like you do on your pc Mar 07 21:05:21 ie, close apps you arent running Mar 07 21:05:32 i know its fun having 400 active running apps (cos you can!) Mar 07 21:05:34 been running at swappiness 10 for a day now, i feels smoother but its to early to tell Mar 07 21:05:35 but its not always practical Mar 07 21:06:11 practically it will be too hard to get a working system Mar 07 21:06:41 right 5% battery, back laters! Mar 07 21:06:45 isn't eyetoons DRM free? Mar 07 21:06:47 cya NoobMonk3y Mar 07 21:06:48 lcuk, i always close all apps when im not using the device Mar 07 21:06:58 ciaoooooooo Mar 07 21:07:09 lcuk, still it slows down to a crawl after a few days without reboot Mar 07 21:07:10 dvoid_, what kinds of swappy probems are you having then Mar 07 21:07:18 what are you actually running that brings it to a halt Mar 07 21:07:25 like runnig a windows pc with 128mb ram ;) Mar 07 21:07:40 lcuk: swappiness is a tunable param of linux kernel that makes it use swap even before RAM is used: http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000 Mar 07 21:07:43 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42960&page=8 same thing Mar 07 21:07:59 for some strange reason maemo 5 uses swappiness 100 as default Mar 07 21:08:32 wich basicly tells the kernel to swap out everything in favor of disk cache Mar 07 21:09:25 * lcuk doesnt notice slowdowns much Mar 07 21:09:48 * Arif_ has the weird issue the battery drains faster when the phone's on for a few days Mar 07 21:10:42 i have some huge problems :S cant explain them, after a few days its just slow. i have never had the phone on for more then 3 days because of this. its unusable without a reboot Mar 07 21:11:13 could be the hildon-desktop thing where it starts using 100% CPU for no reason Mar 07 21:11:19 dvoid_: odd. WFM Mar 07 21:11:29 at 20:52, noobmonkey said he had 12% batter Mar 07 21:11:33 i have only seen it a couple of times so it seems like something specific triggers it Mar 07 21:11:37 i've heard that some ppl claim their phone got really faster after a reflash. but i dont know. i suspect it might get as slow after a few days anyway :P Mar 07 21:11:42 at 21:05, noobmonkey said he had 05% battery Mar 07 21:12:27 2 questions, how the heck is he draining that fast, and what code is his healthcheck running so much that drains the battery Mar 07 21:12:29 anyway a swapiness of 100 cant be god, most linux dists use 60 or less Mar 07 21:13:05 people having slowdowns etc Mar 07 21:13:07 run powertop Mar 07 21:13:13 and put reports up Mar 07 21:13:22 dvoid_: Isn't the disk solid state? Mar 07 21:13:29 lets see what is happening Mar 07 21:14:00 mgregsond, yea? Mar 07 21:14:03 lcuk: I get massive slowdowns. Load average hits 5 with alarming frequency. Mar 07 21:14:06 it is normal for the battery to appear to drain faster as it gets emptier Mar 07 21:14:11 dvoid_: Swapping is mildly less expensive? Mar 07 21:14:13 dvoid_: swapping is _bad_ - it hits in many cases worst case write performances. Mar 07 21:14:34 The swap algorithm hasn't been patched to do the right thing for flash. Mar 07 21:14:42 Which is basically to always write linearly. Mar 07 21:14:45 ali1234, its proably also running lots of new apps and running through lots of code Mar 07 21:15:51 evening mr javispedro Mar 07 21:16:02 mikkov: turxtorxracer works! :) Mar 07 21:16:15 evening dr. lcuk Mar 07 21:16:50 or should I say dr. evil? >:) Mar 07 21:17:02 o_O Mar 07 21:17:06 on both counts Mar 07 21:19:24 ali1234: bat guessometer is non linear Mar 07 21:19:30 javispedro, are you just getting it working a little bit, or packaged and ready to play with Mar 07 21:19:51 lcuk: well, the UI is broken. the game plays fine and fast! Mar 07 21:20:05 as it should, the device has a strong pvr Mar 07 21:21:41 I need to check on accelemymote (or whatever is called :) ) Mar 07 21:26:03 Arif_: ali1234: load applet should become mandatory part of the base package Mar 07 21:27:47 * DocScrutinizer considers a daemon to make indicator LED flash red on excessive CPU load. The higer the load, the faster the flashing Mar 07 21:29:58 a shellscript 10-liner plus a crontab entry should do Mar 07 21:30:45 I've just filmed the lamest video ever about N900, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX-9DBBaCD0 showing the use of gtalk with video Mar 07 21:30:49 crontab? Mar 07 21:30:55 does the N900 have cron? Mar 07 21:31:07 no Mar 07 21:31:13 it has alarmd Mar 07 21:31:31 yeah, I've seen the interface to alarmd Mar 07 21:31:45 which is perhaps harder to use for random hacking Mar 07 21:31:49 I thought it would be weird if it had two processes doing the same stuff Mar 07 21:31:55 hm Mar 07 21:31:56 why? Mar 07 21:32:19 crond needs a patch then Mar 07 21:33:53 do you guys know the manual page for alarmd? Mar 07 21:34:46 * DocScrutinizer doubts there's any Mar 07 21:35:14 about:blank Mar 07 21:35:17 oops Mar 07 21:35:36 lol Mar 07 21:35:51 you found the cheep-torch Mar 07 21:35:58 cheap Mar 07 21:36:02 lol Mar 07 21:36:18 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/System_Software#Alarmd Mar 07 21:36:23 I meant to post Mar 07 21:36:32 but it's not helpful on actually reading Mar 07 21:37:16 wow, what a manpage :-P Mar 07 21:39:05 *Uses SystemUI to show dialogs for alarms and calendar events. o.O (???) Mar 07 21:40:51 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Generic_Platform_Components/Alarm_Framework Mar 07 21:41:41 * RST38h moos Mar 07 21:43:54 Does n810 support multitasking? Does the keys ^+ALT F work? Mar 07 21:45:43 heoa: No, there's no true console mode on the N810 kernel AFAIK. However, there's multitasking in the GUI. Mar 07 21:46:10 ptl: There's a GUI for alarmd under development, as well, FWIW. Mar 07 21:46:29 ptl: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=557134 Mar 07 21:46:45 Jaffa: does n900 have multitasking in console mode? Mar 07 21:47:05 no Mar 07 21:47:06 heoa: NAFAIK. Why do you want console mode? Mar 07 21:47:11 there is no console on n900 Mar 07 21:47:26 well - there is serial console in principle with screen. Mar 07 21:47:33 But I suspect that's not what you meant. Mar 07 21:47:54 Jaffa: what else do you need? Mar 07 21:47:59 shouldn't console mode be possible through modifying the kernel? Mar 07 21:48:15 heoa: I've no idea, I've never tried as I've no need. Mar 07 21:48:23 it is, just enable framebuffer console Mar 07 21:48:27 * b-man|n900 doesn't see why it's not at all possible Mar 07 21:48:33 ah Mar 07 21:48:34 Stskeeps or someone who's played with porting another OS would probably be your best bet. Mar 07 21:48:45 guys, is there a way to access the cpu temp sensor? Mar 07 21:49:04 ali1234: framebuffer console? Mar 07 21:49:15 yup Mar 07 21:49:37 b-man|: much that is possible is unimplemented. Mar 07 21:49:52 not unimplemented, just disabled in kernel config Mar 07 21:50:27 and huh, theres "usbcontrol" in extras-devel which claims to enable usb host mode. what is that abot Mar 07 21:50:38 Jaffa: I've seen this gui but didn't know this talk page, thanks. Mar 07 21:50:46 someone recompiled it for n900 but it doesn't work Mar 07 21:50:59 Shapeshifter: in the mailing list they said that it was developed before the device was out, so the guy who did it didn't know it wouldn't have host mode Mar 07 21:51:05 ali1234: so you can enable multitasking console mode from kernel, anyone done it? Mar 07 21:51:10 ptl: ah Mar 07 21:51:19 heoa: yes, someone in this channel said they did it Mar 07 21:51:35 can anyone help, i tried installing midnightcommander but says a file is missing without telling which one Mar 07 21:51:38 "USBControl was uploaded before anyone had a device in their hands and Mar 07 21:51:39 discovered there's no USB Host mode." Mar 07 21:51:41 * b-man|n900 is compiling a fb console module right now Mar 07 21:52:12 fbcon crashes a lot. I've disabled it again Mar 07 21:52:37 Is there a file busybox reads when a new session is starts, where things like command aliases can be defined? Something like .cshrc for the C shell? Mar 07 21:52:47 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Kernel Mar 07 21:52:50 user__: try using through the terminal, sudo gainroot, then apt-get install mc Mar 07 21:53:01 Ken-Young: .profile Mar 07 21:53:06 Shapeshifter: It's a republish of a diablo package. Doesn't work on N900. Mar 07 21:53:16 ptl, Thanks! Mar 07 21:53:48 ok ta Mar 07 21:53:54 ali1234: same works with n810L Mar 07 21:53:56 ? Mar 07 21:54:15 heoa: you must recompile the kernel Mar 07 21:54:29 ali1234: can you use n900's kernel in n810? Mar 07 21:54:36 no Mar 07 21:54:45 i had a similar problem with healthcheck programme, it says pulseaudio is missing. what do i do? Mar 07 21:55:04 i cant find pulseadio anywhere Mar 07 21:55:28 so, the cpu temp cant be read out? Mar 07 21:55:58 b-man|n900: cannot understand why Mar 07 21:56:09 I'm unsure if there is a CPU temperature sensor Mar 07 21:56:18 I haven't looked in the datasheet Mar 07 21:57:11 heoa: first off, it uses totally diffrent hw drivers Mar 07 21:57:58 SpeedEvil: I'm guessing its used for security cpu downscaling if it gets too hot. Mar 07 21:58:18 I'd be surprised if it had no sensor Mar 07 21:58:26 it is possible to build a kernel which runs on both mtypes but it would increase the kernel size for no good reason Mar 07 22:02:12 Shapeshifter: SpeedEvil: /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp ? Mar 07 22:02:23 sounds plausible Mar 07 22:03:35 It says 44 here - which seems hot Mar 07 22:03:51 DocScrutinizer: thanks Mar 07 22:04:03 or maybe not Mar 07 22:04:38 -40 here, which seems cold ;-) Mar 07 22:04:48 °F Mar 07 22:04:49 ? Mar 07 22:04:58 I mean teh second file Mar 07 22:05:05 53 here Mar 07 22:05:28 but I just downloaded and installed something while playing a game Mar 07 22:05:29 ~convert 44°F to celsius Mar 07 22:05:30 44°F cannot be converted to celsius: Unknown unit '°F' Mar 07 22:05:38 ~convert 44° F to celsius Mar 07 22:05:40 44° F cannot be converted to celsius: Unknown unit '°' Mar 07 22:05:46 ~convert 44 F to celsius Mar 07 22:05:47 44 F cannot be converted to celsius: Unknown unit 'celsius' Mar 07 22:05:49 I doubt they use fahrenheit. Mar 07 22:06:24 SpeedEvil: err, second file? Mar 07 22:07:47 DocScrutinizer: /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input_raw Mar 07 22:07:55 temp does not change if I do md5sums Mar 07 22:08:02 raw is 0 here :-/ Mar 07 22:08:47 raw is 44, other is 17 Mar 07 22:08:54 (at 5C ambient) Mar 07 22:09:44 SpeedEvil: 5C ambient?? Mar 07 22:09:46 seems that's a case for reading kernel sources ;-) Mar 07 22:09:56 Shapeshifter: yes. Mar 07 22:10:45 SpeedEvil: damn, dude. Go cut down some trees! Mar 07 22:11:03 I have an electric blanket, so it's OK. Mar 07 22:19:15 woot! i've sucsessfully compiled a kernel (on) my N900 :D Mar 07 22:20:28 :) Mar 07 22:21:40 it took about 4 hours though xD Mar 07 22:21:52 lol Mar 07 22:22:00 ah, you did it *on* the n900? Heh. :) Mar 07 22:22:06 yes xD Mar 07 22:22:38 using a highly modified sdk rootstrap Mar 07 22:27:30 are you insane? try Qt next Mar 07 22:27:43 lol sure xD Mar 07 22:28:17 i've done LFS on my N800 like 5 or 6 times xD Mar 07 22:28:20 n900 isn't that slow. Mar 07 22:28:32 or gcc 4.4. took me several hours on a 8core machine Mar 07 22:28:37 LFS = Linux From Scratch Mar 07 22:28:37 * n00bmonk3y waves Mar 07 22:28:40 btw Mar 07 22:29:05 * b-man|n900 has also done gcc 4.4 Mar 07 22:29:18 LFS on N900 ??? Mar 07 22:29:27 sure xD Mar 07 22:30:40 did your N900 melt? Mar 07 22:30:49 lcuk : still awake? Mar 07 22:31:22 http://b-man.xceleo.org/projects < all done on my previous N800 ;) Mar 07 22:31:30 n00bmonk3y yup Mar 07 22:31:40 hey b-man Mar 07 22:31:54 w000p :) Mar 07 22:32:00 t-tan: lol no, but it does get quite warm xD Mar 07 22:32:08 hey lcuk :) Mar 07 22:32:43 is there Gentoo for N900? Mar 07 22:32:57 kinda Mar 07 22:33:02 neuvoo Mar 07 22:33:11 * b-man|n900 grabs the link Mar 07 22:33:32 I don't want this expensive device to idle most of the time... :D Mar 07 22:33:56 http://neuvoo.org/ Mar 07 22:34:12 b-man|n900: and LFS works on n900 ? Mar 07 22:34:41 trem: it should if it's set up right Mar 07 22:35:19 * b-man|n900 shasn't tested it yet Mar 07 22:35:26 *hasn't Mar 07 22:37:00 t-tan: it is mainly tareted twards OpenPandora/Beagleboard, but works like a charm on N900 Mar 07 22:37:13 *targeted Mar 07 22:37:26 and your kernel works ? Mar 07 22:38:44 * b-man|n900 is going to flash it in a bit - still need to get some stuff done Mar 07 22:39:33 b-man|n900: good luck! I hope your kernel works... Mar 07 22:40:01 :D Mar 07 22:40:26 it should :) i followed the instructions closely :) Mar 07 22:42:47 that's no guarantee. the N900 and Maemo5 is non-determinstic. there must be a reason for the built-in HW random nr generator Mar 07 22:44:09 for encyrption, speeds it up, i would imagine Mar 07 22:44:12 CS are not deterministic anyway Mar 07 22:46:27 kynky: for generating keys, yes, it would make them less predictable, but speed? Mar 07 22:46:57 flashing the kernel and booting the device up will tell ;) Mar 07 22:47:21 oh, a coin flip experiment Mar 07 22:47:22 generatng random numbers in software is slow Mar 07 22:48:04 kynky: nope. it only depends on the degree of pseudo-randomness Mar 07 22:49:58 b-man|n900: toss your N900. if it lands on the screen side, your kernel will break :) Mar 07 22:50:17 LOL Mar 07 22:50:39 so will the screen xD Mar 07 22:51:36 correct. so we won't have conclusive evidence. we'd need to replicate the experiment several times. everybody on this channel should participtate Mar 07 22:59:09 Write a coin toss app. Mar 07 22:59:16 That reports which way up it landed. Mar 07 23:01:15 BTW, a Rock-paper-scissors with HW randgen could be nice Mar 07 23:01:23 s//app/ Mar 07 23:07:38 :-) Mar 07 23:07:53 * b-man|n900 flashes his n900-built kernel Mar 07 23:13:02 I hear silence... Mar 07 23:14:28 * SpeedEvil hears the gentle hum of a fishtank pump, the fan of an x60s thinkpad, and little else. Mar 07 23:24:17 it looks like i'm gonna have to wait an hour or so.. - my N900's battery is soo low that i don't think it's safe enough to flash atm :( Mar 07 23:25:15 t rebooted on me and nearly went through a loop trying to charge - but it's fine now Mar 07 23:25:18 *it Mar 07 23:28:49 i hear not enough people buying n900s Mar 07 23:29:28 Buy two! Mar 07 23:29:53 And breed them! Mar 07 23:30:07 imagine a "by two get one free" deal for N900s :D Mar 07 23:30:25 *buy Mar 07 23:30:42 nite all, sweet dreams Mar 07 23:33:07 Chilean marauders get rid of TVs and furniture! Mar 07 23:33:24 (surely they are searching for N900s) Mar 07 23:34:23 waco resistance killed a few batf shtheads Mar 07 23:34:24 and there were no more wacos Mar 08 00:42:31 Hi Mar 08 00:45:16 GeneralAntilles isn't here? Mar 08 00:45:19 The world is going to end! Mar 08 00:45:59 try GAN900 Mar 08 00:46:11 Oh noes! Mar 08 00:46:18 Spring break, fool! Mar 08 00:46:26 GAN900: received the 40d :) Mar 08 00:46:42 GAN900: lens is the 50mm prime f1.8 Mar 08 00:46:44 Cool Mar 08 00:46:53 How's the condition? Mar 08 00:47:12 Good, there's a bit of dust in the lens, but that's just because it's not sealed Mar 08 00:47:22 (not weatherproofed) nothing i wasn't expecting Mar 08 00:47:40 focuses fast and accurately, will have fun with this tonight Mar 08 00:48:10 I'm not going to bother having it cleaned, I might as well get a new lens, they're only $80 or something Mar 08 00:48:16 Yeah Mar 08 00:48:29 The f/1.8 is really cheap Mar 08 00:48:45 I'd replace it with a 1.4 if you replace is. Mar 08 00:48:46 yeah, the f/1.4 USM is more expensive, but then you get stabilisation as well Mar 08 00:49:00 still only $300 or something Mar 08 00:49:21 fecking heavy camera though Mar 08 00:49:33 Haha Mar 08 00:50:06 1.4 is better in pretty every way Mar 08 00:50:23 Faster, more durable, butter shutter, better optics, etc. Mar 08 00:51:23 * GAN900 feels too lazy to finish mwkn. Mar 08 00:53:42 BUTTER shutter? sounds like a greesy sales stactic Mar 08 00:54:52 Er, better. Mar 08 00:55:03 well, my new kernel almost booted properly... xD Mar 08 00:55:34 it seemed to die with alarmd Mar 08 01:20:39 microusb = bad choice Mar 08 01:20:54 couldn't find any usb-microusb cable Mar 08 01:20:54 seems alright to me Mar 08 01:21:56 miniusb would be much better Mar 08 01:22:20 3.5mm round plug would be much better Mar 08 01:24:34 corecode: you're not in Europe are you? Mar 08 01:26:08 crashanddie: he seems to be Mar 08 01:26:16 02:25 [freenode] -!- ircname : Simon Schubert, corecode@fs.ei.tum.de Mar 08 01:26:29 i am Mar 08 01:36:01 ~ping Mar 08 01:36:02 ~pong Mar 08 01:36:14 woohoo, 2 minute ping! Mar 08 01:52:11 Hy everybody Mar 08 01:52:24 hi wizkoder Mar 08 01:53:29 I use a png file in my program. when I display it in the qt creator it shows all its colors. but inside the maemo sdk it shows only blue to black colors. whats wrong here? Mar 08 02:07:25 Nobody... okay :-) Mar 08 02:10:38 Another question: Is it possible to tell a window to use all available space on the screen? what geometry do I have to use? Mar 08 02:11:35 Want it to fill the whole screen on my N900 Mar 08 02:14:00 am I alone or asking the wrong questions? ;-) Mar 08 02:16:36 ...accusing Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg of hacking into the email accounts of rivals and journalists... Mar 08 02:16:38 eek. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 08 02:59:57 2010