**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 09 02:59:58 2010 Mar 09 04:01:05 continuous mp3 playback through speakers at 80% volume, offline mode -- 95% battery Mar 09 04:30:37 whats up? Mar 09 04:35:07 pupnik: I've seen you talking on the picodrive/dgen thread, doesn't sdlmame emulates sega genesis? Mar 09 04:39:09 never heard of that Mar 09 04:39:23 emulating sega genesis Mar 09 04:45:18 ok Mar 09 05:29:36 pupnik: I humbly doubt your bat reading is correct Mar 09 05:34:58 that'd mean you can get 80h of mp3 playback, via speakers at high volume. Impossible Mar 09 05:55:49 batteries aren't linear Mar 09 06:01:14 Wouldn't kit be cool to have fasttracker on N900 :) Mar 09 06:03:25 the genius that made pianobar I want to wish my thanks upon you Mar 09 06:04:23 crashanddie: not SO much nonlinear Mar 09 06:05:01 how many hours does one get on an n900 with a full charge? Mar 09 06:05:08 crashanddie: c'mon - 4h mp3 playback, via *speakers* Mar 09 06:05:13 hot damn did the n900 release in Australia today when I was asleep?! nokia.com.au's graphic has changed from 'upcoming' to 'available' lol Mar 09 06:05:18 DocScrutinizer: sure, if you consider 40 to 0 in 2 hours linear compared to 100 to 40 in two days Mar 09 06:05:47 bleeter: hang on, I thought it was available? Mar 09 06:05:51 I'll check out pianobar Mar 09 06:06:00 bleeter: I saw a couple guys with one the other day Mar 09 06:06:04 duh, never encountered such nasty. Sure the bat readings are jumpy Mar 09 06:06:07 crashanddie: people have been importing Mar 09 06:06:35 there's some debate as to whether the aussie version will be quad-band Mar 09 06:06:36 oh right Mar 09 06:06:45 crashanddie: and good luck with healing your injury Mar 09 06:06:55 ta Mar 09 06:06:55 crashanddie: those fsckng bastards Mar 09 06:07:14 I have corneal abrasion Mar 09 06:07:36 wow u poor aussies don't have n900 yet Mar 09 06:07:52 yigal: had one since october ;) Mar 09 06:08:02 almost as sad as you eating vegemite Mar 09 06:08:05 jk Mar 09 06:08:42 that however is painfully true, vegemite is seriously disgusting Mar 09 06:08:43 crashanddie: ah, I'm amrcn and don't have one Mar 09 06:08:49 lol Mar 09 06:09:10 yigal: that lazy you can't even spell american? Mar 09 06:09:36 na n amrca it's how eva u wanna spll Mar 09 06:09:51 not in here it isn't ;) Mar 09 06:10:06 ah :( Mar 09 06:10:20 good to hear Mar 09 06:11:04 yigal: I guess those *caine pharmaceuticals really help for pain killers, had a severe UV-burn in both eyes (shorted a 10mm^2 400V) when I learnt that Mar 09 06:11:42 DocScrutinizer: sorry to hear, what was the wattage? Mar 09 06:12:28 anyways I can't bring myself to purchase the n900 does openoffice work? Mar 09 06:12:41 no idea. Those main fuses should be able to give surges of several 1000A Mar 09 06:13:31 lemme put it this way: the bang was like a .45 Mar 09 06:13:52 oh chess game sorry blitz Mar 09 06:15:30 btw how come I posted to you? sorry! was addressed to crashanddie Mar 09 06:16:04 crashanddie: I guess those *caine pharmaceuticals really help for pain killers, had a severe UV-burn in both eyes (shorted a 10mm^2 400V) when I learnt that Mar 09 06:16:49 DocScrutinizer: basically, this morning I woke up and I was blind Mar 09 06:16:55 seriously scary Mar 09 06:17:10 I couldn't open my eyes, everytime I tried I was in agonising pain. Mar 09 06:17:44 DocScrutinizer: sorry to hear again, I won by the way :D Mar 09 06:18:36 I called my project manager, he came and picked me up at the hotel, brought me to see a doc, she put 2 drops in my eye, and 5 seconds later I could open my eyes Mar 09 06:18:46 photophobia was gone, didn't hurt anymore, I could see fine Mar 09 06:19:22 I said: "that's good stuff", she replied "opiates have always been" Mar 09 06:19:25 yget those drops, they will last only 2h or somesuch Mar 09 06:19:26 photophobia is that pain with high intensity light? Mar 09 06:19:40 the drops last 6 hours for me, sucks Mar 09 06:19:41 yigal: any light Mar 09 06:19:47 DocScrutinizer: 15 minutes Mar 09 06:20:17 I had 1/2 a dose a week ago and it lasted more than double a normal person Mar 09 06:20:25 at my eye exam Mar 09 06:20:39 I have terrible myopia Mar 09 06:20:54 -8 diopter Mar 09 06:21:17 she then put some die in my eye, in order to try and find the hole, it's about 1mm from my iris, and I have pretty blury vision from that eye (understandably) Mar 09 06:21:59 true that, I don't know from my bicycling next to large trucks, smoking cigs, and dope I don't know why I still have healthy eyes but I do Mar 09 06:22:14 crashanddie: sorry to hear this Mar 09 06:22:25 the eye is supposedly the fastest healing organism Mar 09 06:22:42 so hopefully you'lle get past what ever problems are occuring Mar 09 06:23:11 the cornea heals very quickly most of the time (part of the body that has the quickest turnaround in terms of cell-life), so by tomorrow I should see a definite improvement Mar 09 06:23:47 If not, I might have to go see a propper ophtalmologist and get a healer-lens Mar 09 06:23:55 crashanddie: you're right wow I learned something the tongue is actually the fastest healing organism Mar 09 06:24:09 the cornea is the fastest healing tissue Mar 09 06:24:22 well, maybe not the fastest, but up there with the very fast ones Mar 09 06:24:23 learn a little each day, good for me Mar 09 06:25:19 crashanddie: ya, all the silly wiki this or that are claiming that the cornea is the fastest but you are right one should be conservative Mar 09 06:25:33 * DocScrutinizer throws coin whether to get first coffe or another short nap Mar 09 06:25:47 coffee first Mar 09 06:25:59 it will kick in after 20 minutes, making perfect for a wakeup time Mar 09 06:26:14 heh, sounds like a plan Mar 09 06:26:27 mmh refreshed after a nap Mar 09 06:26:29 awesome Mar 09 06:27:31 pianobar is just a great piece of software Mar 09 06:27:43 I'm using it on my netbook running ubuntu Mar 09 06:27:53 cli just the best Mar 09 06:28:08 and it runs on ye old n800 Mar 09 06:29:17 pandora > last.fm, but I love cli programs, mutt, mpc bash scripting, so this little program just made my day Mar 09 06:33:28 hmm, I killed the convo? :( Mar 09 06:34:54 anyone else RJD2 Mar 09 06:36:23 what evers Mar 09 06:38:21 no idea bout pianobar Mar 09 06:38:57 crashanddie, what happened to the thugs who beat you? Mar 09 06:39:11 two of 'em got arrested Mar 09 06:39:21 1 got away Mar 09 06:40:17 thugs is a big word though, I'm not sure they're entitled to it yet Mar 09 06:40:48 anyone, of any age, shape or form can beat up someone when you're surrounded by 8, and 3 start hitting simultanuously without a warning Mar 09 06:41:02 i hope this mornings trip to doctors is noted and you updated the police with your actions Mar 09 06:41:31 Well, I paid $65 for the doctors this morning, which is covered by my company's inssurance Mar 09 06:41:38 or did you just want to see a nurse first thing i nthe day to be able to go "hello nurse!" Mar 09 06:42:02 I won't have any permanent damange, and if I leave it at that, that's pretty much it. Mar 09 06:42:42 were the photos worth it in the end Mar 09 06:42:55 If however I press charges, I have to go to court, I have to be a witness, my name goes on public record... See, i don't want to start my new life here in oz with a court case Mar 09 06:43:33 and yes, that's also a way of saying I'm scared of retaliation, who wouldn't be? Mar 09 06:43:49 If I don't press charges, they get a fine, if I press charges, they get 2 weeks in jail... Mar 09 06:43:58 its not your choice to press charges though, they have cctv Mar 09 06:44:33 well, if say I report that my camera is broken (need a new lens?) or something like that Mar 09 06:45:00 then it's not just "The people vs whatever the cunt's name", but "The people led by Sebastian lauwers" Mar 09 06:46:42 crashanddie, that really sucks. :( Mar 09 06:46:50 crashanddie, feel better. :) Mar 09 06:46:55 * GAN900 sleeps. Mar 09 06:47:11 isn't law strictly distinct domains for crime and for inter-personal (sorry not the right term) over there? Mar 09 06:47:52 dunno, not really aware of the laws over here Mar 09 06:47:59 but can't be all that different from the UK Mar 09 06:48:37 here you'd first wait for the crime trial to give them a sentence, then you got after them with a civil lawsuit Mar 09 06:56:35 usually it's pretty clear the agressor has to recompensate the victim for all material and immaterial damage, so civil court trial isn't needed Mar 09 06:56:56 once you got them sued for a crime Mar 09 07:24:11 hey any garage admins around? Mar 09 07:38:59 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3MSjwUrxT0 , hmmm, this reminds me n900 commercial somehow Mar 09 07:52:01 wazd heh Mar 09 07:52:19 the hand gesture does look more convincing on a device that size Mar 09 08:16:29 r Mar 09 08:16:30 e Mar 09 08:16:53 If I haven't exchange account, how can I sync my accounts (for backup)? Mar 09 08:16:57 I have linux box Mar 09 08:18:49 there is backup in a menu Mar 09 08:19:11 i want to backup to something external ;) Mar 09 08:19:22 backup from menu Mar 09 08:19:24 in internetz or to my PC Mar 09 08:19:24 connect usb cable Mar 09 08:19:26 copy file Mar 09 08:21:13 it's not handy. no ability to edit, can't be automated Mar 09 08:42:33 rmrfchik: automate backup to your sd-card Mar 09 08:42:54 which you then by hand can pull out and copy the backups off device Mar 09 08:44:15 wazd: "Access the full web and not just a part of it!" I wonder where this is directed at :P Mar 09 08:44:59 joppu: is that like turning off "safe search" in google? :D Mar 09 08:56:02 hi Mar 09 08:56:11 anyone know how to prompt for a connection using dbus in c? Or should I just use conic? Mar 09 08:59:25 good morning Mar 09 09:11:24 Morning, all Mar 09 09:12:50 Jaffa, Mornin' Mar 09 09:15:55 hmm... I have "Personal account" in accounts which has skype and gmail records, and have dedicated account with mobile phone and same skype and jabber. How can I make maemo to use later as personal? Mar 09 10:26:15 Hi guys Mar 09 10:26:46 hi Mar 09 10:27:05 Waiting for my N900 to arrive tomorrow. ;P Mar 09 10:28:20 TigerTael: you'll be busy playing with it then tomorrow :D Mar 09 10:29:20 I know... Mar 09 10:29:35 In a nut shell, what's this stuck-dot problem? Mar 09 10:37:38 continuous mp3 playback through speakers at 80% volume, offline mode -- 50% battery Mar 09 10:38:33 TigerTael, stuck dot? Mar 09 10:43:54 stupid question of the day, when is Microsoft Backoffice being ported to the N900? Mar 09 10:44:11 continuous mp3 playback through speakers at 80% volume, offline mode -- 50% battery Mar 09 10:44:21 lcuk - maybe he's talking about this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35195 ? Mar 09 10:44:53 I was guessing "stuck pixel" Mar 09 10:45:01 could be anything ^^ Mar 09 10:45:32 anyone here using pidgin on the n900? Mar 09 10:45:40 I did once Mar 09 10:45:45 it diddn't work well for me Mar 09 10:45:56 Shapeshifter, i was just taking a guess myself, as you say - could be anything Mar 09 10:46:04 I'm not sure what it is; I've only heard people mentioning it. Mar 09 10:46:28 just wondering how well it works to transfer a workstation's pidgin config/settings ($HOME/.purple/) over to the n900 for settings and all Mar 09 10:47:11 TigerTael, unfortunately that doesn't really help us identify what your talking about, sorry. Mar 09 10:48:19 pupnik: fun Mar 09 10:49:40 Termana_n810, maybe it is stuck at booting. I'll have to ask around and see. Mar 09 10:50:48 slackmagic: not tried it but it might work if you tar it up and stick it in /home/user/.purple Mar 09 10:50:52 YMMV Mar 09 10:51:10 SpeedEvil: it is the darn clicking irssi irc links that kills my battery Mar 09 10:51:29 ? Mar 09 10:51:31 benbrown: yep, i think i might just do that rigth now to see how that works out Mar 09 10:51:35 http links Mar 09 10:51:40 ah Mar 09 10:51:52 I've checked on mine and a quick glance at .purple looks as I'd expect it to Mar 09 10:52:15 mhm the battery warning level is not configureable or? Mar 09 10:52:17 maybe i build lynx/links into an irssi window - same terminal Mar 09 10:52:17 pupnik: what does powertop say about active elements of the chip during mp3? Mar 09 10:52:46 ptl, ask microsoft? Mar 09 10:52:55 i am doing a rundown test atm, not using n900 at all Mar 09 10:54:41 ShadowJK: it was a rethorical question (classic dodging) Mar 09 10:55:05 speedevil i saw 6% percent for mplayer at 250mhz Mar 09 10:55:38 monophonic spoken 128kb/s Mar 09 10:56:10 are you doing mafw vs mplayer-direct-to-alsa test? Mar 09 10:56:34 just the latter Mar 09 10:57:27 then i try to figure why the volume is normally only 10%bvol Mar 09 10:57:30 vol Mar 09 10:58:14 pupnik: which codec? Mar 09 10:58:24 is the test stereo? Mar 09 10:58:36 no mono Mar 09 11:00:11 im sketching controls atm.. applet ftw Mar 09 11:01:37 where are all usability experts in finland? they can't be this scarce... Mar 09 11:01:52 #maemo-ux? :P Mar 09 11:02:08 still playing with sounds? :D Mar 09 11:02:09 wolf: what's anoying you? Mar 09 11:02:10 preferably disgruntled or unemployed :) Mar 09 11:02:18 SpeedEvil: that there are none to hire... Mar 09 11:02:42 ah. Mar 09 11:03:05 * SpeedEvil would offer, but is not in finland, and has no experience on the UI front on the other side of the wall. Mar 09 11:03:34 My contribution in meetings would solely be to say 'are you insane' over and over again I suspect. :) Mar 09 11:04:10 so am i wrong or can't ovi maps work at all without network connectivity? Mar 09 11:04:29 SpeedEvil: heh :) yeah, i guess telecommuting doesn't really come into question. Or at the very minimum, being able to come on-site every once in a while Mar 09 11:05:11 I hear toyota may have UX experts leaving soon. Mar 09 11:05:57 lol Mar 09 11:06:34 am I a bad person for finding that amusing? Mar 09 11:17:23 I can induce stuck pedal on my toyota anytime :D Mar 09 11:17:41 w000p new joiku works a treat :D :D Mar 09 11:18:24 i just switch on cruise control, and then when I forget about it and car doesn't slow down when I let go of throttle pedal I'm like "wtf", and press the clutch and shortly after there's a "click" as the throttle returns to idle and I suddenly remember I had cruise control on Mar 09 11:33:14 * DocScrutinizer thought cruise control is strictly supposed to switch off on any touch of throttle pedal Mar 09 11:33:25 hey, it's a Toyota Mar 09 11:33:33 the cruise controll shuts off when it damn well pleases to Mar 09 11:33:36 -l Mar 09 11:34:00 DocScrutinizer: just brake Mar 09 11:34:29 DocScrutinizer: some allow small inputs Mar 09 11:34:40 DocScrutinizer: and then fall back to their set speed Mar 09 11:35:22 mine goes off on any pedal except throttle Mar 09 11:35:46 so you can speed up to pass people with cruise on, but can't shift gears or break or it'll turn off Mar 09 11:35:48 same, and with throttle it will also go off iirc if I give a large input Mar 09 11:35:48 hmm, probably Wolfie should hire me rather than those toyota UX experts ;-P Mar 09 11:36:18 lol Mar 09 11:36:51 UX is easy, just copy apple and avoid what nokia does Mar 09 11:37:06 hrhrhrr Mar 09 11:37:11 hmm, I just installed that appinstaller app that X-Fade is talking about, but it doesn't show up.... Mar 09 11:37:20 like missing c&p ? :-P Mar 09 11:37:44 someone thougt cruise control was the same as autopilot Mar 09 11:38:12 hmm, appinstaller is also broken Mar 09 11:39:15 Shrik3: seems you're talking bout marketing, not usability Mar 09 11:49:20 so? gps only works as a-gps, never standalone? Mar 09 11:49:49 it works standalone if you are in open space Mar 09 11:49:53 corecode: that depends on definition of "works" Mar 09 11:50:18 Stskeeps: even if you're not, it works some/most of the time Mar 09 11:50:25 works as in gets lock after at worst case 10 mins. Mar 09 11:50:26 (provided it had a fix close by previously) Mar 09 11:50:29 (in my tests) Mar 09 11:50:45 I usually get a fix inside after about 5-10 minutes Mar 09 11:50:50 outside is usually quicker Mar 09 11:50:52 After clearing GPS, and having no SIM, and not using GPS at all. Mar 09 11:51:12 without a-gps it is slow as hell (in my experience) and quality of receiver is poor comparing to specialized gps-receivers Mar 09 11:51:23 JimiDini: ovi maps seemed to give up Mar 09 11:51:24 yes. Mar 09 11:51:42 corecode: there is a fix coming in ovi maps Mar 09 11:51:54 corecode: that's software problems Mar 09 11:51:59 also yuou can run any othe rgps thing that doesn't give up, and maps will use the conneciton Mar 09 11:53:10 ah ok Mar 09 11:54:42 * luke-jr notes most times when he needs GPS, he needs it *now* and 10 minutes makes it useless :p Mar 09 11:55:23 why can't the GPS update its position every hour or so Mar 09 11:55:45 since the initial lock-on takes longer the farther the GPS thinks it is from where it actually is Mar 09 11:55:45 yea Mar 09 11:55:59 i'd like to have that happening infrequently Mar 09 11:56:04 Shrik3: because nobodies done that yet Mar 09 11:56:15 oh wait, The Community is supposed to do that Mar 09 11:56:20 Nokia can't be arsed =) Mar 09 11:56:32 is there a way to find which current cell you're in? Mar 09 11:56:59 yes Mar 09 11:57:03 monitor dbus Mar 09 11:57:06 there are events Mar 09 11:57:38 so the agps info for a given cell can be cached, or is agps the almanach? Mar 09 11:57:45 could still be cached for some time Mar 09 11:57:49 teh almanac Mar 09 11:57:59 i c Mar 09 11:58:08 it seems to - from performance - only cache at best the ephemiriedes Mar 09 11:58:32 cell info would be sufficient for coarse location Mar 09 11:58:40 i.e. downtown vs work vs home Mar 09 11:58:48 poor man's location-based reminders Mar 09 11:58:51 yeah Mar 09 11:59:12 and it'd be extra super happy fun time if you could input a default location for a given cell Mar 09 11:59:32 "if I'm at this cell tower, there's a 99% chance that I'm at work and thus sitting exactly here" Mar 09 12:07:40 * DocScrutinizer notes he has seen exactly same issue with NEO FR GPS, and that's been a mere sw problem Mar 09 12:08:20 Shrik3: the community *can't* do it. Mar 09 12:08:21 so to blame hw receiver for poor sensitivity / whatever is debatable Mar 09 12:08:50 Shrik3: Nokia won't give us the code ;) Mar 09 12:09:00 luke-jr: the community can do it. Mar 09 12:09:17 luke-jr: it's possible just by turning on the GPS every hour for a minute or until lock. Mar 09 12:09:37 corecode: it seems nokias location services lib is doing exactly that, or at least it's planned Mar 09 12:09:41 luke-jr: it may be possible to do it more optimally if you had the GPS code that runs on the phone module, but that's never, ever going to happen Mar 09 12:09:45 SpeedEvil: minus the fact that GPS doesn't work at all. :) Mar 09 12:09:52 SpeedEvil: recall I'm still on N810 Mar 09 12:09:53 I use keepassx on desktop to keep passwords. I Wonder, is there something compatible on maemo5? Mar 09 12:09:59 luke-jr: ah - that Mar 09 12:10:11 luke-jr: forgot you had obsolete hardware. Mar 09 12:10:13 rmrfchik: keepassx is available on the N900 =) Mar 09 12:10:46 DocScrutinizer: using no SIM, using the GPS-state-wipe tool - outside - it took up to 10 mins to lock. Mar 09 12:10:54 DocScrutinizer: that is not great performance. Mar 09 12:11:04 tybollt: oh, url? Mar 09 12:11:21 SpeedEvil: see my comment on sw problem on gta02 Mar 09 12:11:33 rmrfchik: it's in the repos =) Mar 09 12:11:37 rmrfchik: hang on Mar 09 12:12:21 DocScrutinizer: yes Mar 09 12:12:58 rmrfchik: http://maemo.org/packages/view/keepassx/ Mar 09 12:18:02 corecode: Shrik3: ""LOCATION_METHOD_CWP - Complementary Wireless Positioning: ... or coordinates based on currently used GSM base station."" Mar 09 12:21:18 err Mar 09 12:21:22 ~ping Mar 09 12:21:22 cool Mar 09 12:21:23 ~pong Mar 09 12:22:31 friggin 3G gives me frequent timeouts on irc Mar 09 12:22:48 what a shit Mar 09 12:23:15 :| Mar 09 12:23:22 Nokia-N900-51-1:~# apt-cache search keepass Mar 09 12:23:23 Nokia-N900-51-1:~# Mar 09 12:23:24 :( Mar 09 12:23:35 DocScrutinizer: openvpn ... Mar 09 12:23:44 Repository Latest version Mar 09 12:23:45 Fremantle Extras-devel free armel keepassx 0.4.1 Mar 09 12:23:47 ah, it's devel Mar 09 12:23:51 keep-ass Mar 09 12:23:52 rmrfchik: do you have devel repo? Mar 09 12:23:57 too bad it's still 1.x only Mar 09 12:24:04 not yet Mar 09 12:24:06 so you can't share databases with a 2.0 desktop client Mar 09 12:24:07 gimme sec Mar 09 12:24:38 keep ass what? Mar 09 12:24:50 whooa Mar 09 12:24:50 x ass Mar 09 12:25:02 * burchr blinks Mar 09 12:25:21 I take my eyes off #maemo for *one minute* and I come back to this? Mar 09 12:25:21 x marks the spot Mar 09 12:25:34 should be keepassxxx really Mar 09 12:26:51 woot? Mar 09 12:27:00 really, I couldn't find any of that in there? Mar 09 12:34:03 finding the right way to transfer files to user on n900 Mar 09 12:34:30 I have root by ssh with password, but can't login with user by public key auth. Mar 09 12:35:34 well set up pubkey auth then? Mar 09 12:36:05 Shrik3: in sshd_config Pubkey is enabled Mar 09 12:36:44 check permissions on ~/.ssh/* Mar 09 12:36:50 should be 600 Mar 09 12:37:10 also you need to set a user password Mar 09 12:37:16 drwx------ 2 user users 4096 Mar 9 15:29 /home/user/.ssh Mar 09 12:37:22 -rw------- 1 user users 223 Mar 9 15:29 /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys Mar 09 12:37:31 And ensure your ~ is not a silly mode Mar 09 12:37:44 I've enabled empty passwords in sshd_config and restared sshd Mar 09 12:37:55 SpeedEvil: silly? Mar 09 12:37:57 777 Mar 09 12:38:04 drwxr-xr-x Mar 09 12:38:09 looks ok Mar 09 12:38:20 rmrfchik: subst ! by * in /etc/passwd for user Mar 09 12:38:21 is it safe to set password for user? Mar 09 12:38:28 no need to set it. Mar 09 12:38:46 worksforme (tm) Mar 09 12:38:46 If you just copy over /root/.ssh to ~user/,ssh does it work - after chown Mar 09 12:38:54 that is not the issue Mar 09 12:39:07 thresh: no help... Mar 09 12:39:57 thresh: did you hacked sshd_config? Mar 09 12:40:07 i'm using /etc/sshd/authorized_keys2/$username though Mar 09 12:41:26 keys in /etc/ssh? Mar 09 12:41:28 hm Mar 09 12:42:00 anybody? libosso-abook (or relatives) - how ould I get a handle or the full content to/of a contact that matches a certain condition, e.g. contact for inbound number? Mar 09 12:43:02 you should think there's a generic method to do such a search Mar 09 12:43:29 rmrfchik: yeah but that shouldnt be an issue Mar 09 12:43:37 will check later Mar 09 12:46:20 rmrfchik: don't do that. it's silly Mar 09 12:47:17 what is silly. I did a lot of things ;) Mar 09 12:47:48 keeping authkeys in /etc/ssh is silly, on N900 Mar 09 12:48:17 i'm not going to do this. I will use ~user/.ssh as I always do Mar 09 12:48:19 btw pubkey auth for user works like a charm here Mar 09 12:48:31 yeah Mar 09 12:48:34 pubkey++ Mar 09 12:49:59 all it needed was checking perms for ~, ~/.ssh, and ~/.shh/autorized_keys Mar 09 12:50:56 lol, my fault. when copy-pasting "ssh-rsa" became "sh-rsa" ;) Mar 09 12:51:01 now works Mar 09 12:51:38 heh Mar 09 12:51:42 dsa>rsa Mar 09 12:52:07 i have rsa from ages Mar 09 12:52:23 dsa is < rsa, actually Mar 09 12:53:39 of course it depends on implementation but perhaps so :) Mar 09 12:53:45 and my safe is made of 50cm steel Mar 09 12:54:51 * derf points lardman's welding laser at it. Mar 09 12:55:38 iirc, rsa is faster in verifying while providing the same level of security Mar 09 12:56:55 thresh: I'd go ask Schneier but... meh :) Mar 09 12:56:59 :-) Mar 09 12:59:20 * DocScrutinizer opens backside wooden door of safe and places a stinky cheese inside the empty thing, so derf will find at least some reward for the effort Mar 09 12:59:46 mmmh Mar 09 12:59:48 stinky cheese Mar 09 12:59:53 * tybollt is drooling Mar 09 13:03:26 osso-abook anybody? I'm lost :-/ Mar 09 13:03:58 hey is there a wiki on how to add your application to bugs.maemo.org? Mar 09 13:04:40 yes mece something like the maintainers guide Mar 09 13:04:54 mece - just email bugzilla team, but yes there is a wiki - will find it Mar 09 13:04:55 ive read it but cant remember specifically where Mar 09 13:07:18 hmm this perhaps: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products Mar 09 13:07:35 http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products Mar 09 13:07:38 lol Mar 09 13:07:39 damn u beat me too it Mar 09 13:07:42 yup tis the one Mar 09 13:08:02 i sent a basic one, got one done fine Mar 09 13:08:06 nm, found osso_abook_aggregator_find_contacts_for_phone_number () Mar 09 13:09:32 hmm, what's the normal number of chars to line wrap at? Mar 09 13:09:42 my email client screws up ml posts quite royally Mar 09 13:10:00 78 ? Mar 09 13:10:10 depends on the font size doesnt it? Mar 09 13:10:11 72. Mar 09 13:10:22 noobmonk3y: font size?! Mar 09 13:10:24 * noobmonk3y starts noting down lottery numbers... doh too high Mar 09 13:10:31 plain text my boy Mar 09 13:10:33 well the bigger the font the less characters can fit on Mar 09 13:10:37 yes, 72, my bad Mar 09 13:10:53 derf: that's what I've gone for, may well just be that Outlook is crap at reformatting existing quoted text Mar 09 13:11:12 plain text? whats that ;) hehe Mar 09 13:11:57 lardman: It certainly is that. Mar 09 13:12:04 first non-wrapped e-mails, then flash-only websites, then they piss over the urinals. Mar 09 13:12:24 I'm bound to it by lots of archived data though Mar 09 13:12:35 however when I get my new PC, I will break the shackles Mar 09 13:13:01 Hm. I am gonna ask once again. Sorry. Is there a way to get something like a widget with text field to update facebook statuses? Mar 09 13:13:32 don't apologise :D Mar 09 13:13:33 you can't iirc have text boxes on the desktop Mar 09 13:14:24 hmmm a one tap widget and update app (Similar to googlesearch etc) could work :D Mar 09 13:14:42 Why is that? Is there no application like for a iphone so on facebook it says: updated with iphone app or something like that? Mar 09 13:15:03 I don;t have an iPhone, sorry Mar 09 13:15:06 iphone, whats one of them apples? Mar 09 13:15:23 hm mmm talk pages going sloooooooooooooooow Mar 09 13:15:43 I've not looked at TMO for weeks, not much point now Mar 09 13:15:55 never used ip. just've seen those updates on fb. Mar 09 13:15:58 as I'll have to sit there for weeks seeing what I've missed Mar 09 13:16:17 lardman: you havn't missed much Mar 09 13:16:20 crs: it would probably be possible to write one, assuming the api is open Mar 09 13:16:25 AndrewFBlack: :) Mar 09 13:16:58 facebook api is actually not too bad... reasonably user friendly Mar 09 13:18:31 hmmmm who's the best person to harrass if i feel a wiki page needs a few changes and more visibility? Mar 09 13:19:22 you should be able to make changes yourself to most pages Mar 09 13:19:28 otherwise probably dneary Mar 09 13:20:25 Hmm i think i want a more open discussion as my views are normally wrong - might add it to a post on tmo when it becomes alive Mar 09 13:20:30 lardman: Is there a way I could place a 'demand' for that app? Mar 09 13:20:38 lol demand? Mar 09 13:20:41 or request? Mar 09 13:21:06 crs: you could try asking on TMO and see if someone fancies writing something Mar 09 13:21:20 create a thread in tmo titled [REQUEST] App name... and be decriptive Mar 09 13:21:28 brainstorm perhaps? Mar 09 13:22:20 I think the [REQUEST] approach would be better. Mar 09 13:23:40 lardman: TMO stands for T… maemo.org? Mar 09 13:27:08 task-slugos talk Mar 09 13:27:12 ops Mar 09 13:27:14 crs: talk Mar 09 13:27:17 thanks. Mar 09 13:27:22 Got another question. Mar 09 13:28:29 I have some linux skills. How could I approach such a problem: I want to disable skype once connected to my home wifi (and work one for example - so there must be a list of wifi's) and enable back it as soon as I connect to mobile internet or wifi which is not on the list. Mar 09 13:29:21 s:(back)\ (it):\2 \1: Mar 09 13:29:44 browser controls don't show up in landscape mode :/ Mar 09 13:31:37 hi hrw Mar 09 13:33:39 crs: interesting Mar 09 13:34:09 lardman: Do you think it is possible/acceptable easy? Mar 09 13:34:14 there is an event framework that you could hook into Mar 09 13:34:18 I think it's possible Mar 09 13:34:37 not sure how you'd be able to disable skype though, but I guess there are ways, just not sure how pretty Mar 09 13:34:39 checking in cron seems like one of sollutions Mar 09 13:35:06 nah not cron, there's an event framework in extras*, so you could hook into wifi connection events Mar 09 13:35:25 lardman: is there a disconnect event available? Mar 09 13:35:28 but cron-like Mar 09 13:35:31 dunno Mar 09 13:35:57 I've not even tried it, I was originally thinking of achipa's sheperd framework, but not sure where that's got to Mar 09 13:36:38 shepherd of course Mar 09 13:36:57 Problem seems to be interesting, indeed. Now, I sit at my desk at home, chatting on skype and for every single msg I am getting notofication on phone as well. Mar 09 13:37:02 * rmrfchik is missing aptitude feature which shows "New packages" after updating Mar 09 13:39:49 lardman: How is that package called you were talking about? Mar 09 13:39:54 rmrfchik: not only you Mar 09 13:40:43 crs: good question, not sure, I just saw something with the description event framework when I was browsing the other day Mar 09 13:40:48 sorry, not much help there Mar 09 13:43:25 dwimd? Mar 09 13:44:16 is that the framework name? Mar 09 13:46:14 nope, does not look like. :) Mar 09 13:46:18 * Arif_ yawns Mar 09 13:48:14 curses. i somehow jostled display and it turned on. Mar 09 13:51:09 werz ma firmwarz? :( Mar 09 13:51:43 fbreader-page-buttons: Depends: fbreader (= 0.10.7-1) but 0.10.7-10 is to be installed Mar 09 13:51:47 :( Mar 09 13:52:19 You do not need this package Mar 09 13:52:34 No idea why it is still there Mar 09 13:53:29 Arif_++ Mar 09 13:53:46 well Mar 09 13:53:46 fleas ate it Mar 09 13:53:57 they can delay it if they make the media player non sucky Mar 09 13:53:58 :p Mar 09 13:54:35 ack Mar 09 13:54:50 yes Mar 09 13:54:59 which I doubt Mar 09 13:55:02 that Mar 09 13:55:09 they'll just fix 3 bugs I never had Mar 09 13:55:09 ;( Mar 09 13:55:16 lol Mar 09 13:55:40 * RST38h wonders if it is possible at all to make the media player non sucky Mar 09 13:55:54 Given the amount of problems Mar 09 13:56:05 nothing a complete rewrite can't do Mar 09 13:56:18 if they put more than 2 hours of work into it Mar 09 13:56:20 :P Mar 09 13:56:34 DocScrut: In a clean room free of Nokia UX people Mar 09 13:56:45 hrhrhrrrrhrrrrr Mar 09 13:57:03 * tybollt wonders if maemo suffers from the same problem freerunner etc did Mar 09 13:57:17 tybollt: in some ways, yes Mar 09 13:57:27 which one of the 500k specifically? Mar 09 13:57:30 what are those problems Mar 09 13:57:32 :) Mar 09 13:57:33 the people in charge change direction so often the techs do not have enough time to implement something sane Mar 09 13:57:44 that's pretty much it. Mar 09 13:57:51 like... Mar 09 13:58:07 Though nokia at least puts enough resources in to get a basically functional system at each iteration. Mar 09 13:58:07 tybollt: aaah THAT one Mar 09 13:58:10 now the developers were focusing on fixing maemo, they all of a sudden find themselves working on meego Mar 09 13:58:33 Added to no communication between the corporate descisionmaking, and communitu Mar 09 13:58:40 SpeedEvil: jury's still out on that one Mar 09 13:58:46 which is again familiar Mar 09 13:58:55 DocScrutinizer: I was meaning more of OMs problems Mar 09 13:59:01 no reason why corporates SHOULD communicate with you Mar 09 13:59:11 you are no shareholder Mar 09 13:59:34 RST38h: Indeed - however - if they want apps - they have to communicate to that community Mar 09 13:59:49 SpeedEvil: I was meaning the "enough resources to get something" Mar 09 14:00:06 Speed: They do not want apps. Mar 09 14:00:15 RST38h: they're acting like it Mar 09 14:00:32 Speed: Corporate people are completely different from normal technical people. Just look at Ari Jaaksi's blog Mar 09 14:00:43 built-in contacts is epic fail :( Mar 09 14:00:49 work for me Mar 09 14:01:02 it's a gasbrain Mar 09 14:01:45 no custom fields, insane combinatoric explosion if dial-buttons Mar 09 14:01:48 ... Mar 09 14:02:01 of* Mar 09 14:02:12 Contacts works fine for me. Mar 09 14:02:12 Speed: Even if they do at some level of abstraction understand that they want people to use/develop for their platform, the details of this process completely escape them Mar 09 14:02:18 Of course - I have 4... Mar 09 14:02:46 RST38h: yes, I know. Mar 09 14:02:51 Speed: It is considered something for the lower-level subordinates to figure out Mar 09 14:04:08 and then osso-abook :-(( Mar 09 14:04:12 Speed: As far as my crystal balls are telling me, the main goals for the Nokia corporates are 1) sell more hardware 2) minimize non-essential expenses, such as developing and supporting firmware Mar 09 14:04:50 nah, it's 1) Make more money Mar 09 14:04:54 MOAR Mar 09 14:05:07 Where #2 is done by methods that have not changed for decades (i.e. large unfrequent firmware updates, separate code branch for each device, etc) Mar 09 14:05:19 RST38h: yes. Mar 09 14:05:23 2) make more money 3)..10) even MORE Mar 09 14:05:30 and it's ok Mar 09 14:05:39 Doc: Nothing wrong with wanting to make more money Mar 09 14:05:47 Doc: Nokia is a business, it exists for making money Mar 09 14:06:05 Doc: BTW, nothing wrong with selling more hardware either Mar 09 14:06:18 agree, see last line Mar 09 14:06:31 It is #2 that is starting to develop some cracks, compared to other companies Mar 09 14:10:26 did someone say cracks? :P Mar 09 14:11:11 beat my shiny metal ass! Mar 09 14:11:56 "bite" Mar 09 14:13:19 anyone had any dealings with directX? Mar 09 14:13:37 specifically video pipelines, or whatever they call them Mar 09 14:13:41 o_O Mar 09 14:13:50 * rmrfchik is checking channel name Mar 09 14:13:56 does installing it counts ? :D Mar 09 14:13:57 oh, good, it's still maemo Mar 09 14:13:59 * VDVsx hides Mar 09 14:14:10 lardman: only directdraw here. and it sucks. Mar 09 14:14:34 thresh: Why, beating also works... Mar 09 14:14:39 hmm, perhaps that's what I want Mar 09 14:14:41 whats full location of the MyDocs folder? Mar 09 14:14:52 I need to intercept some video that is being written to file Mar 09 14:15:02 lardman: No, that is not what you want Mar 09 14:15:08 apparently it's being done using direct-something Mar 09 14:15:08 AndrewFBlack, /home/user/MyDocs Mar 09 14:15:15 RST38h: oh, shame, np Mar 09 14:15:16 RST38h: you never watched futurama, did you? Mar 09 14:15:43 thresh: No, although I am omewhat familiar with the main characters Mar 09 14:16:03 VDVsx: ohh yeah forgot it hasn't moved I keep thinking it should be listed as a mmc because its on a card now Mar 09 14:16:13 * RST38h almost swallows a spoon: The Independent is now owner by a Russian oligarch Mar 09 14:16:19 owned Mar 09 14:16:31 How ironic =) Mar 09 14:17:15 ~lart FF Mar 09 14:17:15 * infobot beats FF severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken Mar 09 14:18:37 hmm, looks like I need to write a DirectX Media Object and replace the one this app uses so I can get access to the raw data Mar 09 14:18:45 drat Mar 09 14:19:03 hello Mar 09 14:19:14 does anybody know how to connect XMing to the N900? Mar 09 14:21:57 ~curse equipment suppliers unwilling to make small sw modifications to make my life easier Mar 09 14:21:58 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, equipment suppliers unwilling to make small sw modifications to make my life easier ! Mar 09 14:22:11 infobot: they probably already are, try again Mar 09 14:23:37 ehehe Mar 09 14:25:40 is there keyboard layout indicator in status bar? Mar 09 14:26:24 SpeedEvil: you about? Mar 09 14:26:32 or any other electronics gurus? Mar 09 14:26:47 SPI -> Bluetooth, cheapest way? Mar 09 14:30:38 lardman: uh? Mar 09 14:31:52 DocScrutinizer: just pondering compasses again Mar 09 14:31:59 aah Mar 09 14:33:21 lardman: BT->rs232, with special driver and then bitbanging RTS/CTS/foo/bar should do Mar 09 14:34:26 or BT->lpt Mar 09 14:34:32 hmm, sounds like a steep learning curve Mar 09 14:35:00 bt doesn't come for free Mar 09 14:35:06 I know Mar 09 14:35:52 anyone know if the meego os will be available for the n900 Mar 09 14:36:17 no Mar 09 14:37:45 crud Mar 09 14:40:25 someone at nokia probably know :) Mar 09 14:40:33 no Mar 09 14:40:38 :-P Mar 09 14:40:58 >:( I hope they dont break the non-gui compatability Mar 09 14:41:01 someone at nokia might think he knows Mar 09 14:41:03 haha .. well someone at nokia doesnt know that he doesnt know it :) Mar 09 14:41:23 Hoxzer: they will Mar 09 14:41:43 the middleware will be replaced in big parts coming from moblin Mar 09 14:42:39 * cehteh wonders if they keep device specific things like bme and mce Mar 09 14:42:52 buy a new device! Mar 09 14:42:57 no Mar 09 14:43:22 i stay and develop on n900 .. if things dont work on a device i dont own i dont care Mar 09 14:43:33 and i'd suggest to any devel to do the same :P Mar 09 14:43:41 ack Mar 09 14:44:18 thats progressive and the only thing the community can do to push nokia to provide meego for the n900 Mar 09 14:44:39 i dont like the ideas telling to abadon nokia, maemo or whatever .. Mar 09 14:45:11 port your apps to the new device Mar 09 14:45:14 and demand one from Nokia :P Mar 09 14:45:48 no i dont care .. point Mar 09 14:46:23 cehteh, i think the intent is to write everything in qt Mar 09 14:46:31 and the middleware layer problem vanishes Mar 09 14:47:12 well i am not real maemo developer yet just fixing my own itches .. but if i would, then asking nokia for a device (which they surely give out for serious developers) still leaves customers and not-as serious developers (like i am now) behind Mar 09 14:47:28 lcuk: meego will support gtk as well Mar 09 14:47:56 and for myself i dont like qt that much, might make sense as platform for such a device, but i still dont like it Mar 09 14:48:03 it will? - but lcuck does know all :) (You can find his words of wisdom inside christmas crackers too!) Mar 09 14:48:13 lcuk even * Mar 09 14:48:20 lcuk's wisdom will be written in email signatures for thousands of yers to come Mar 09 14:48:47 Qt is certainly the offical route nokia takes and all core apps will be qt Mar 09 14:48:58 s/yers/years/ Mar 09 14:48:58 burchr meant: lcuk's wisdom will be written in email signatures for thousands of years to come Mar 09 14:51:51 infobot: is on the ball today ;) Mar 09 14:56:09 hmm Mar 09 14:56:13 I made a mess of my codecs ;( Mar 09 14:56:45 you made a mess? Mar 09 14:56:46 awww Mar 09 14:56:55 here - a fresh diaper for you Mar 09 14:57:07 that won't make h264 play... Mar 09 14:57:16 awww codec diapers! Mar 09 14:57:19 * Arif_ hits tybollt with codecs Mar 09 14:57:34 codec slapping too? wow... this place is going downhill ;) Mar 09 14:57:37 why can't people just use one standard, damnit Mar 09 14:57:38 :P Mar 09 14:57:49 pen and paper will sooooon rullle the world i say! Mar 09 14:58:09 until apple bring out the ifruit pen... then we are all buggered Mar 09 14:58:28 ew Mar 09 14:58:57 oh fcuck... they already have - http://www.mikejamesmedia.com/modo_media/modo_wip/ipad_ipen/ipad_ipen_004b.jpg Mar 09 14:59:07 doom i say, dooooooooooooooooom Mar 09 15:01:06 http://nextwebblogs.thenextweb.netdna-cdn.com/shareables/files/2010/02/The-Future-of-Apple.jpg Mar 09 15:04:20 loving the imat ;) - iTwister following ;) Mar 09 15:05:28 cehteh, of course it will Mar 09 15:05:34 oo Mar 09 15:05:36 iPaper Mar 09 15:05:50 you can only write on with an iPencil Mar 09 15:05:53 and it can't be erased Mar 09 15:07:00 lol.... invisible iink ;) Mar 09 15:07:40 and you can store it in an iMap Mar 09 15:08:19 these jokes are a tad ... old, no? Mar 09 15:08:25 yes Mar 09 15:08:25 iOld? Mar 09 15:09:39 oh the genius... Mar 09 15:10:00 dont joke the i900 may just be your next paper-based-smart-pad Mar 09 15:10:13 Samsung has one :p Mar 09 15:10:23 :D true, as good as a piece of ipaper too. Mar 09 15:10:28 noobmonk3y, nahhh Mar 09 15:10:42 iphone doesnt like using stylus/pen Mar 09 15:10:55 liqbase on maemo/meego/hp will do that Mar 09 15:11:12 iPhone feeds on your money ={ Mar 09 15:11:39 iphone users are iBabies, they still do finger painting Mar 09 15:11:56 hmm Mar 09 15:12:01 no new apps in Ovi yet Mar 09 15:12:08 ovi store? Mar 09 15:12:11 yeah... Mar 09 15:12:12 * Arif_ checks every day :D Mar 09 15:12:17 good luck w/ ovi store... :-) Mar 09 15:12:23 ovi what? that thing still going? Mar 09 15:12:41 I can't buy something if they add it anyway Mar 09 15:12:44 =} Mar 09 15:15:37 is qt the only programme i can play with to make apps or is there others Mar 09 15:18:36 karlosos - by program do you mean IDE? Mar 09 15:18:49 or programming language? Mar 09 15:21:52 i dont realy know just beginning to learn qt now so maybe i might ask when i know more Mar 09 15:23:24 QT is the best ide that i know off, but can depend on a few things, search the developers pages on maemo.org :D will give you some ideas :D Mar 09 15:24:42 cheers i will do but i aint no programmer but am very quick at learning when it comes to pc's Mar 09 15:25:13 i didnt have a clue a month ago and now have an app in testing (OK with a lot of help, hehe) Mar 09 15:25:26 i started from scratch on linux, qt and python (pyQT) Mar 09 15:25:45 nice to know i aint by myself lol Mar 09 15:26:17 * lcuk is still a noob in some respects and even fired up and made a vb application the other night Mar 09 15:26:18 hehe there is a fw of us - this channel is a good place to get help too :D Mar 09 15:26:28 people keep saying you need to be a programmer to do all this but you have just proved u dont Mar 09 15:26:44 noobmonk3y, you are a dev in dayjob arent you? Mar 09 15:26:48 naaa you definitley do not :) - lcuk will prove that i am not a master programmer, he has seen my code lol Mar 09 15:26:53 i'm an IT advisor lol Mar 09 15:26:57 but not a coder lol Mar 09 15:27:03 you still arent Mar 09 15:27:06 i spend my days writing strategy for the NHS lol Mar 09 15:27:21 but yes do have experience in flash, vb etc Mar 09 15:27:29 but very similar to what i have done in pyqt.... Mar 09 15:27:46 i learn it, use it and then move on, if i need it again i normally relearn Mar 09 15:27:59 * noobmonk3y 's brain is a sieve Mar 09 15:28:25 * noobmonk3y is going to bit*ch slap the laptop with safeboot on it behind me soon.... fan is going mad! Mar 09 15:28:42 when i first started with pc's 6 years ago got taught all the ilegal stuff and within an hour i ws showing the guy who taught me stuff so i can say i do learn quick Mar 09 15:30:05 if a comp does ma head in i just do a format cant be arsed messing around cause sometimes messing takes llonger that a format Mar 09 15:30:11 cool :) - well in the pyqt example... i've ended up coding and testing on the device using pygtk editor (just a notepad that can run the pythong files really).... i only use qt when i want to redesign the gui - saying that it probably isnt the best way :D Mar 09 15:30:35 hello world will take you a grand total of about 2 minutes to write and run to get something going :D Mar 09 15:30:52 noobmonk3y, sounds perfectly sensivble if you ask me Mar 09 15:31:05 sensible too Mar 09 15:31:07 hehe - saves me arsing around with ssh (Which does work well to be fair) Mar 09 15:31:29 yay my N900 has been shipped, I hope it'll arrive soon :) Mar 09 15:31:31 ok so its going to take me a while to have an app made Mar 09 15:31:53 Karlosos, you can have an app made in 10 minutes Mar 09 15:32:01 Funnyface: W000000000p Mar 09 15:32:05 however you would not understand it for a lot longer Mar 09 15:32:26 yup you can :D - and published to extras-devel in 45 :D Mar 09 15:33:15 nice lcuk i take it your from leicester Mar 09 15:33:20 lol Mar 09 15:33:34 manc arn't ya? ;) Mar 09 15:33:52 i am huddersfield Mar 09 15:34:21 darn northeners ;) - technically anything north of the a27 is a northener for me ;) Mar 09 15:35:17 us northerners are a pain but not has bad as you southerners lol Mar 09 15:35:43 hehe :) - i'm 1/2 aussie - so quite southern at times :D Mar 09 15:35:52 * burchr stares at noobmonk3y Mar 09 15:36:00 I thought I was the only one Mar 09 15:36:01 :P Mar 09 15:36:01 * noobmonk3y winks at burchr Mar 09 15:36:13 hehehe Mar 09 15:36:41 where in aus were you from? Mar 09 15:36:42 lcuk: 8 days to go 12/10 thumbs up's :D Mar 09 15:36:59 Ahhh now this is a looooooong story :D (Adopted, both rents where aussie) Mar 09 15:37:06 born in london though Mar 09 15:37:17 othe only think wrong with this phone is i feel as if i should be in the series 24 catching terrorists lol Mar 09 15:37:20 but - Bendigo :D Mar 09 15:37:25 lol Karlosos Mar 09 15:39:06 does anybody else think this type of phone could cause world problems Mar 09 15:40:03 i aint complaining cause i love it but seriously you could do so much damage with this Mar 09 15:43:01 many great inventions can be used for both good and evil Mar 09 15:44:00 think of all those we will never get to use Mar 09 15:45:45 lol :) Mar 09 15:45:49 world damage sounds fun to me :D Mar 09 15:45:56 * noobmonk3y has a nice cup of coffee :D Mar 09 15:46:38 can you hack into peoples phones using bluetooth with this Mar 09 15:46:56 hmmmm ... dont think so easily, but there is a wireless sniffer around Mar 09 15:47:25 think it sniffs images out of wireless - will test that in a few weeks - when i use joiku for a bit Mar 09 15:47:39 lol Mar 09 15:48:13 How long have you had your device? Mar 09 15:48:15 anybody have microSD card recommendations for the n900? Mar 09 15:48:28 erm, mine works fine, lol - no idea what it is mtd Mar 09 15:48:38 get some homemade pornographic videos lol people beware dont leave homemade images noobmonk3y is going to get ya Mar 09 15:48:46 hahaha ;) Mar 09 15:48:54 lol Mar 09 15:49:01 2 weeks now Mar 09 15:49:12 cool :) - have you delved into testing or devel yet? Mar 09 15:49:22 mtd: don't buy kingston Mar 09 15:49:41 http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 Mar 09 15:49:58 yeah but scared to now cause had a theme problem which i uninstalled programmes to get themes working again Mar 09 15:50:16 Is there anywhere where I can enable XDMCP on the N900? Mar 09 15:50:21 mtd: I got me a nokia 16BG, reasonable priced and works Mar 09 15:50:23 there is no /etc/X11/xdm or whatever Mar 09 15:50:27 lol all depends on the problem :D Mar 09 15:50:46 Karlosos: my app healthcheck is in testing if you fancy seeing what took me a month to do :) Mar 09 15:51:01 DocScrutinizer: thanks Mar 09 15:51:08 good link DocScrutinizer Mar 09 15:51:24 if i download something and breaks this i aint covered for a new one Mar 09 15:51:28 hello Mar 09 15:51:58 hehe, you can always frelash - but i'd recommend you learn and understand the flasher :D Mar 09 15:52:17 re-flash* Mar 09 15:52:19 but i do go in and try so if i does break its my own fault anyway cause they warn you Mar 09 15:52:57 hehe, rule of thumb in testing is check the package scores first, doesnt auto matically make it safe, but does mean the testers are trying to break it and havnt yet if there are high scores Mar 09 15:52:59 i tried reflashing when i had the problem but have read vodafone has put a lock on so you cant Mar 09 15:53:06 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/healthcheck/0.6.0-5/ Mar 09 15:53:13 voda locks things? Mar 09 15:53:14 really? Mar 09 15:53:28 i'm UK vodafone (through MPD) - and reflashed to generic firmware last month Mar 09 15:53:52 doesnt sound right to me Mar 09 15:54:07 as far as i am aware there is no supplier software on any of them.........yet Mar 09 15:54:29 hi guys :) Mar 09 15:54:31 it let me get to flasher mode but wouldnt go any further maybe me doing a mistake but i followed to the exact Mar 09 15:54:41 hey m2cm2c Mar 09 15:54:50 noobmonk3y, hey :) Mar 09 15:55:09 hmmm doesnt sound correct - should work, happy to walk you through it one day as i will prob reflash mine soon :D - nice to start afresh every so often Mar 09 15:55:13 nonsense Mar 09 15:55:21 is the generic one the new firmware only in us Mar 09 15:55:30 there is a worldwide generic firmware Mar 09 15:55:42 whats the difference Mar 09 15:56:01 I'm wondering if any of you guys use my lfocus script on the n900 Mar 09 15:56:07 none that i can see yet, lots of rumours on t.m.o about it ...... something about UK suppliers having issues blah blah Mar 09 15:56:14 lfocus? Mar 09 15:56:18 that the video focus one? Mar 09 15:56:22 yes Mar 09 15:56:23 the issue you're getting with the flasher will be more down to using win7 x64 or similar rather than it being "locked" - there are no n900's that're locked from reflashing, and afaik that wouldnt be possible even if an operator wanted to Mar 09 15:56:31 hhh read about it, not used it yet :( sry Mar 09 15:56:35 ahhhhhh* Mar 09 15:56:47 good point nid0 Mar 09 15:56:51 there's a voda image. But that's probably just some nagware they decided to add Mar 09 15:56:53 cool Mar 09 15:56:55 brb fresh air break :D Mar 09 15:57:02 i am on vista Mar 09 15:57:18 theres no nagware on the voda image, as far as it's possible to tell 203 variant == 205 variant Mar 09 15:57:26 and both 203 and 205 basically == global Mar 09 15:57:38 when you install the firmware where do u run it or do u need to double click it Mar 09 15:57:45 I was wondering if theres a way to disable the dimming applied on the background when you open up a dialog over the camera app with python Mar 09 15:58:03 lol I read V Mar 09 15:58:16 "vodka image" Mar 09 15:59:06 image yes Mar 09 16:00:05 btw never claim it's impossible to lock the phone. See what moto did to milestone Mar 09 16:01:10 and /me away now, before I get started about N9xx+ with TPM chip and DRM :-((( Mar 09 16:02:02 w/ moto? Mar 09 16:02:10 isn't the whole android thing about lockin? Mar 09 16:02:14 Karlosos: you run it via the flasher software on your pc (command prompt normally) Mar 09 16:02:24 isn't that why n900/maemi gained momentum? it was !lockin Mar 09 16:02:30 was supposed to be Mar 09 16:02:43 mine was a 203 image, now generic no major change apart from new firmware benefits (supposedly) Mar 09 16:03:09 noobmonk3y thanks thats where i made mistake i thought you had to run through command Mar 09 16:03:39 :D took about 4 mins to flash and about 1 hour to re-install the apps (Settings where saved in the backup i did prior) Mar 09 16:04:29 I got the entire process done in ~10 mins when I reflashed from uk generic to global :p Mar 09 16:04:29 noobmonk3y, I always download the apps separately and keep them backed up :D Mar 09 16:04:34 i would just start afresh and download all again lol Mar 09 16:04:35 :D Mar 09 16:04:46 it will download them all again Mar 09 16:04:56 tybollt: HTC is andridiot and still they hack it and have new free OS. Milestone is locktite bootloader Mar 09 16:04:57 the backup just keeps a list of the apps and the repos theyre in Mar 09 16:05:00 yeah it tells you what you had and asks you to dload, so be on a wireless and away you go Mar 09 16:05:06 then when you restore the backup it adds the repos and redownloads them Mar 09 16:05:26 :D Mar 09 16:05:29 all nice n easy :D Mar 09 16:05:57 DocScrutinizer: aaah you mean like that Mar 09 16:06:25 ok i will get off now and give it a go Mar 09 16:10:01 byebye Mar 09 16:30:11 hello everyone! Mar 09 16:30:23 i ordered my n900 and am setting up my IMAP server for mail syncing Mar 09 16:30:31 does the n900 support offline syncing of IMAP folders? Mar 09 16:31:48 my concern is what happens when I don't have data access (out of range or something) and I need to reference something in an old message Mar 09 16:34:53 w0000p Mar 09 16:34:53 lo josephnexus Mar 09 16:35:02 erm good question Mar 09 16:35:18 i'd hope I can use somet of that 32GB for email Mar 09 16:35:25 i've got like 3GB of mail (after compression) Mar 09 16:35:30 so probably 4 or 5 GB of mail Mar 09 16:35:31 lol Mar 09 16:35:36 that i'd like to have accessible all of the time Mar 09 16:35:42 any specific mail supplier or just generic? Mar 09 16:35:50 just a generic IMAP server Mar 09 16:36:03 it sortof does and doesnt Mar 09 16:36:05 (IMAP isn't an apple product... :-P) Mar 09 16:36:14 I want to use IMAP with my IPad :-P Mar 09 16:36:15 jk Mar 09 16:36:22 nokiamessaging wokrs well for me with imap :D Mar 09 16:36:24 bleh.. the "i" this and "i" that bugs me Mar 09 16:36:24 :-P Mar 09 16:36:25 itll allow offline viewing of messages that you've actually synced Mar 09 16:36:27 using yahoo though Mar 09 16:36:37 what is nokiamessaging? Mar 09 16:36:46 but by default the mail client will only download headers when syncing, itll only fetch the actual message when you view it Mar 09 16:36:53 and that message will then be available offline Mar 09 16:37:08 nid0, so I can't do a "select all" -> "sync all" type of action? Mar 09 16:37:09 josephnexus, an email push service Mar 09 16:37:11 theres no way that I can find to alter the client to sync full messages rather than just headers Mar 09 16:37:19 :-( Mar 09 16:37:42 is there a bug of feature request open for it on the maemo site? Mar 09 16:37:46 that seems kind of essential to me Mar 09 16:37:47 :-P Mar 09 16:38:18 there are various other mail clients in the works though afaik, the built in mail client is pretty shockingly bad as it is Mar 09 16:38:27 and never know, 1.2 might make it a bit less terribad Mar 09 16:38:29 nokia messaging =http://email.nokia.com/account/home.action Mar 09 16:38:45 It allows me to push my yahoo / imap mail to my phone easily - along with other accounts Mar 09 16:38:56 i don't like the idea of handing my creds out to another company Mar 09 16:40:17 credit cards? Mar 09 16:40:19 its free lol Mar 09 16:40:21 on the subject of being insecure about your login details though Mar 09 16:40:25 credentials for email Mar 09 16:40:40 hmmm - true can't say i trust nokia hugely - but does work fine for me Mar 09 16:40:42 it's worth noting that in either case your imap login details are going to be stored 1) by nokia messaging or 2) on your nokia device. Mar 09 16:40:57 yeah... but I can take a hammer to my nokia device Mar 09 16:41:05 lol ;) - not if it is stolen ;) Mar 09 16:41:06 i can't take a hammer to the nokia messaging service Mar 09 16:41:11 :-P Mar 09 16:41:19 not if you lose it, pinching nokia messaging's servers is a damn sight harder Mar 09 16:41:20 you know what I mean though Mar 09 16:41:26 and lol - you could if you took a jcb to the nokia server building Mar 09 16:41:33 lol Mar 09 16:41:42 the hammer might then be a bit irrelevant Mar 09 16:42:51 the point I was making though is that if it comes down to not trusting nokia you're pretty screwed either way as you have to give your password either to their service or their device, but out of the two of them i'd imagine their messaging service is a damn sight more secure Mar 09 16:43:09 depends on perspective Mar 09 16:43:15 i'll be rigging a thermite pack to my phone! Mar 09 16:43:16 woohoo! Mar 09 16:43:17 :-P Mar 09 16:43:31 :D Mar 09 16:43:31 jk Mar 09 16:43:34 i know what you mean Mar 09 16:43:39 i'll stick with NM for now, as it works :D Mar 09 16:43:49 i'm just trying to work out the best strategy so that i can have access to my mail on my workstation Mar 09 16:43:51 laptop Mar 09 16:43:53 and my new mobile device Mar 09 16:44:34 just adding the account via imap will work, but youll only have offline viewing of messages you've previously viewed Mar 09 16:47:43 back laters alls :D Mar 09 16:49:04 nid0... i might have to spend a night reading and organizing things then Mar 09 16:49:04 :-P Mar 09 16:49:28 nid0: does the mail client support occasionally checking for new messages? Mar 09 16:49:32 and running in the background? Mar 09 16:49:38 or do I need to use nokiamessaging for that? Mar 09 16:50:12 you can set automatic update intervals of between 5 minutes and 2 hours Mar 09 16:50:24 and can specify whether to only update when connected to wifi, or do it all the time Mar 09 16:50:51 ok Mar 09 16:50:52 excellent Mar 09 16:50:58 at least we've got that then Mar 09 16:50:58 :-p Mar 09 16:51:19 does the unread/read status update well via IMAP? Mar 09 16:51:41 or am I going to be showing 90k unread messages when I do my first sync? Mar 09 16:52:02 josephnexus: use pop3 with "don't delete msgs on server". poll interval can be configured on almost every mail client Mar 09 16:54:15 yes, but that doesn't resolve syncing and folder issues Mar 09 16:54:24 these messages will be read across 3 devices Mar 09 16:54:32 using pop3 would be exceptionally painful Mar 09 16:55:14 uhuh Mar 09 16:55:54 you're not going to get unread messages when syncing via imap Mar 09 16:56:09 modest's imap implementation is pretty wank, but it does sync read statuses properly like it should Mar 09 16:56:25 wait till you get to learn how painfull IMAP is with a wacky connectivity Mar 09 16:56:41 that's why I was hoping to offline sync most of my message Mar 09 16:56:45 err... messages Mar 09 16:56:58 though, it wont show deleted messages - again I cant find how to alter the behaviour, but it just doesnt show deleted messages, with no apparent way to display them or purge them from the device Mar 09 16:57:18 nid0: wouldn't we expect some sort of autopurge? Mar 09 16:57:25 or am I going to be losing space over time? Mar 09 16:58:28 essentially there's no way to actually fully delete messages from the device Mar 09 16:58:47 when you delete a message itll get deleted, but theres then no way to purge it without doing so from a proper email client Mar 09 16:59:23 ah, you are referring to imap issues Mar 09 16:59:23 ok Mar 09 16:59:28 that's fine Mar 09 16:59:36 my workstation clients will auto-purge on every close Mar 09 16:59:48 so if the message lingers until I get home, that should be fine Mar 09 16:59:51 omg Mar 09 16:59:52 no more than 30-40 messages Mar 09 17:00:02 ??? Mar 09 17:00:20 * DocScrutinizer51 suggests webmailer Mar 09 17:00:44 just having a proper mail client on the device would be quite nice tbh :< Mar 09 17:00:59 isn't there some work regarding a port of thunderbird? Mar 09 17:01:57 you could probably install the full desktop tb using easydebian Mar 09 17:02:10 that'd undoubtedly be impossible to use properly tho Mar 09 17:03:22 there is also a functioning version of the Claws client in extras-devel, it isnt hildonized though but apparently does work Mar 09 17:03:39 * josephnexus has never used claws Mar 09 17:03:57 what's the address for the current bugtracker? Mar 09 17:04:01 for maemo? Mar 09 17:04:07 i'd like to know where to file bug reports and such Mar 09 17:04:16 https://bugs.maemo.org/ Mar 09 17:06:05 looks like a bunch of bugs... but nothing super critical Mar 09 17:06:58 cu later chaps Mar 09 17:07:11 how often does nokia push updates out? Mar 09 17:07:14 fairly often? Mar 09 17:07:29 there've been 2 minor and 1 major firmware updates since release Mar 09 17:07:36 the next major update's expected soon Mar 09 17:07:40 ok Mar 09 17:07:50 are these closed as they are fixed, or when updates are released for them? Mar 09 17:08:07 in other words, can we see what is scheduled to be pushed out because it is already fixed? Mar 09 17:09:00 theyre marked as fixed as soon as theyre fixed on internal builds Mar 09 17:09:21 so you can see whats getting fixed in terms of bugs in the upcoming releases Mar 09 17:10:23 ok Mar 09 17:10:30 same with enhancements too I assume? Mar 09 17:11:45 with minor enhancements that're filed as bugs, yes Mar 09 17:16:52 DocScrutinizer: hmm. The MMC pins can all be switched to GPIO. Mar 09 17:17:21 also, when maemo6 or meego is released, will it be available for the n900? Mar 09 17:17:24 hmm. yes. So...? Mar 09 17:17:56 SpeedEvil: compass, or what ? Mar 09 17:21:41 A lot of these issues are being marked as wontfix, as in... wait for maemo6 Mar 09 17:22:30 DocScrutinizer: whatever. Mar 09 17:22:42 DocScrutinizer: just found it interesting. Mar 09 17:23:12 josephnexus most wontfix's that i've found tend to be niggly enhancement requests rather than actual bugs as such Mar 09 17:23:25 yeah Mar 09 17:24:09 but remember that FIXED does not mean that you will get it in next firmware update Mar 09 17:24:48 what does it mean then hrw? Mar 09 17:25:21 fixed means it's fixed in an internal version. Mar 09 17:25:29 This doesn't mean that it'll ship at any PR Mar 09 17:25:32 josephnexus: it means 'we fixed it internally' Mar 09 17:27:18 hmm... you'd think they want to push updates out to people Mar 09 17:27:22 josephnexus: maemo bugzilla has a bit wrong resolution names. It lacks 'MAYBE_WILL_BE_FIXED_IN_NEXT_OS_ON_OTHER_DEVICE', 'MOVED_TO_BRAINSTORM' (which equals to WONTFIX_BY_NOKIA) etc Mar 09 17:27:24 that's one of the big advantages of maemo Mar 09 17:27:42 yeah Mar 09 17:27:47 josephnexus: if you change 'they' by 'community developers' then you are right Mar 09 17:27:52 asdf Mar 09 17:27:59 and nokia doesn't want to? Mar 09 17:28:08 josephnexus: but if 'they' you mean 'nokia' then you are not right Mar 09 17:28:09 that's why i'm buying this was to support a company that tries to support the community Mar 09 17:28:25 nokia seems to be happier to stick with old-style release schedules of a small number of big firmware updates occasionally Mar 09 17:28:27 josephnexus: officially nokia does not announce any firmware releases and dates Mar 09 17:29:10 josephnexus: they told that PR1.2 will be released but it can be november 2010 or tomorrow Mar 09 17:29:10 ok Mar 09 17:29:17 ok Mar 09 17:29:18 i see Mar 09 17:29:26 hrw: also 'You fix it then' Mar 09 17:29:29 so they are reserved about dates, but are generally good about updates? Mar 09 17:29:40 i'm trying to get a feel for what to expect Mar 09 17:29:46 and find out how I can be of help Mar 09 17:29:56 unofficially there were rumours from nokia people about few updates after PR1.2 but that was from devs not managers Mar 09 17:30:24 SpeedEvil: especially on closed stuff? Mar 09 17:31:03 * Mece was going to ask something but managed to forget it before he managed to nickserv identify himself. Mar 09 17:31:22 add ftl. Mar 09 17:31:24 josephnexus: expect? I do not expect anything from nokia when it comes to fw updates. Mar 09 17:31:47 josephnexus: I just assume that their software will not get bugs fixed Mar 09 17:34:49 that sounds sad :-( Mar 09 17:36:30 josephnexus: Nokia is good at marketting, even indirectly somehow Mar 09 17:36:57 what do you mean luke-jr? Mar 09 17:36:59 josephnexus: in my case, I know that I didn't get what I thought I was paying for. I know I'm not alone. Mar 09 17:37:06 [11:28:09] that's why i'm buying this was to support a company that tries to support the community Mar 09 17:37:32 somehow we get the impression that the company cares about the community, or that the device can be used with free software, etc Mar 09 17:38:12 when in reality, it's just a proprietary OS that exploits free software for the most part Mar 09 17:38:43 hmm Mar 09 17:38:45 that's sad Mar 09 17:38:49 can I load my own OS onto this Mar 09 17:38:52 or android or the like? Mar 09 17:41:04 josephnexus, not everyone share luke-jr's pessimistic view though ;) Mar 09 17:41:07 ~mer Mar 09 17:41:11 !mer Mar 09 17:41:14 well, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer Mar 09 17:41:18 josephnexus: not exactly. Mar 09 17:41:22 SpeedEvil, ftw Mar 09 17:41:24 SpeedEvil: even Mer is using maemo components to work Mar 09 17:41:27 mer sort-of-is an OS at the moment Mar 09 17:41:30 and yes Mar 09 17:41:32 josephnexus: you can load another OS, but you need to retain parts of Maemo to actually use it Mar 09 17:41:38 there are currently nokia binaries used ATM Mar 09 17:41:43 some of these can be removed. Mar 09 17:41:55 If you reverse engineer the protocol - probably fairly easily. Mar 09 17:42:05 Some are lots harder. Mar 09 17:42:09 in 2040 when no one will remember what 770/n8x0/n900 were you will still have to use binary blobs Mar 09 17:42:19 SpeedEvil: it's not merely protocol that needs to be reverse engineered Mar 09 17:42:23 also algorithms Mar 09 17:42:25 * hrw -> off Mar 09 17:42:37 hrw: you're perhaps being optimistic. Mar 09 17:43:04 How does tv out work on n900? Could you use it like a "real" external screen Mar 09 17:43:25 zash: yes. Mar 09 17:43:34 zash: I think lcuk was playing with this. Mar 09 17:43:41 SpeedEvil: I am strange because I knew how closed n900 os is and I bought n900 anyway Mar 09 17:43:53 zash, by default it only mirrors though. Mar 09 17:44:00 SpeedEvil: anyway by DDP so just 250€ not 600€ Mar 09 17:44:08 bye for real Mar 09 17:44:54 well.. here's hoping it's a smartphone that I can stand Mar 09 17:44:55 :-P Mar 09 17:45:03 SpeedEvil: like, have a bluetooth keyboard and mouse and use it like a desktop Mar 09 17:45:05 You can't. Mar 09 17:45:10 josephnexus: The stand really sucks. Mar 09 17:45:16 :) Mar 09 17:45:19 :-P Mar 09 17:45:24 let me rephrease Mar 09 17:45:25 8any way to chance the color in xterm (not the two main, the colorS) Mar 09 17:45:31 hrw|gone: even despite how closed n900 os is ... it's still far more open experience than with any other mobile devices on the marked .... and I don't count OpenMoko right now Mar 09 17:45:46 here's hoping it's a smartphone that I can tolerate and use productively Mar 09 17:45:46 josephnexus, it feels like a linux box more than a smart phone though. Mar 09 17:45:47 It's the most open mass market phone. Mar 09 17:45:59 There are other more open non mass market phones. Mar 09 17:45:59 Mece: that's ok, i've got a linux box i'm using right now Mar 09 17:46:00 :-P Mar 09 17:46:01 But... Mar 09 17:46:21 as long as it works well, i'll be happy Mar 09 17:46:48 josephnexus: My main complaint with the n900 so far is that they only put one stylus in the box. Mar 09 17:47:01 josephnexus, that entirely depends on what you use it for. Mar 09 17:47:10 email, web, calling Mar 09 17:47:15 i know web is covered well Mar 09 17:47:20 I personally use it lots with fbreader to read books, and surf when I'm in bed. Mar 09 17:47:21 and nokia tends to do calling quite well Mar 09 17:47:26 the email is my biggest concern Mar 09 17:47:34 SpeedEvil, I forgot my stylus in my beard once. took hours before I found it... Mar 09 17:47:46 Mece: yeah - I've done that too Mar 09 17:47:54 Mece: epic beard man! Mar 09 17:47:55 :-P Mar 09 17:48:08 simple solution, remove the horrid furry animal growing on your face Mar 09 17:48:09 or... for those of us that like the horror movies... picture this... Mar 09 17:48:12 epic beard woman! Mar 09 17:48:22 * josephnexus shudders out of fear and disdain... Mar 09 17:48:54 If you think of it, most catgirls have beards. Mar 09 17:49:22 josephnexus, unfortunately the email client isn't very good. it works for me though. Mar 09 17:49:34 is it something that is recieving attention? Mar 09 17:49:54 the email client is open-source - so in principle... Mar 09 17:51:01 hopefully I can help w/ it then Mar 09 17:51:01 :-P Mar 09 17:53:01 you can also use thunderbird (well, icedove) easily Mar 09 17:53:08 moderately easily. Mar 09 17:53:16 (debian chroot thingy, ...) Mar 09 17:53:26 lol Mar 09 17:53:32 hmm... chroot isn't all that easily Mar 09 17:53:32 though that's probably not sane, as it's likley to be almost unusably slow Mar 09 17:53:32 :-P Mar 09 17:54:15 yeah Mar 09 17:54:16 it's very easy in this case. hence the name. easy chroot. Mar 09 17:54:31 is there a way to backup everything from the phone? Mar 09 17:54:39 in case it gets run over by a tank? Mar 09 17:55:01 keep in mind, windows isn't an option for me Mar 09 17:57:13 s/could be/is/ Mar 09 17:57:17 * SpeedEvil just tried it. Mar 09 17:57:26 Hello1 Mar 09 17:57:33 !* Mar 09 17:57:45 josephnexus: I rsync ~ to my laptop Mar 09 17:57:54 josephnexus: and rsync my laptop back to the mmc. Mar 09 17:58:00 josephnexus, how about scp -r / username@server:/backup/ :D Mar 09 17:58:21 yes, but is the data accessible on the desktop? Mar 09 17:58:36 like if my phone is runover by a tank, can I read the data from my phone that i had previously copied? Mar 09 17:58:50 why wouldn't it be? Mar 09 17:59:14 I have a weird issue with my maemo OS(nokia n900)I tried to install Easy Debian,I downloaded the installer from the application manager and installed it,then it told me that I need to download a big image file,I tried to download it 5 times from my mobile and one time from my comp,but when it completely downloads it says that the file is corrupted but the size seems correct... Mar 09 17:59:20 any one knows how to fix this weird issue? Mar 09 18:01:54 Mece: i mean read and use... like does it use mbox for e-mail storage and such Mar 09 18:03:20 josephnexus, there are some syncing stuff people use. I don't, so I don't know. There's a thread about syncing to linux distros on tmo. Mar 09 18:03:31 ok Mar 09 18:03:42 well... a lot of my questions shall be answered tomorrow noonish when the phone arrives Mar 09 18:03:43 :-D Mar 09 18:04:21 i appreciate everyone's patience Mar 09 18:04:27 and helping to answer my questions... Mar 09 18:05:16 josephnexus, np Mar 09 18:05:27 i think i'll be happy with it Mar 09 18:05:30 how's the calendar on it? Mar 09 18:07:23 josephnexus, I like it. People who like something else whine. Mar 09 18:07:31 like with everything on the phone. Mar 09 18:08:11 josephnexus: there are sucky aspects. Mar 09 18:08:45 josephnexus: For example if you want to set an appointment for next wednesday, you click new event, and are presented with a date picker that doesn't give you days Mar 09 18:08:47 * Arif_ blinks Mar 09 18:09:24 someone who doesn't complain about the N900? DATS IMPOSIBALL Mar 09 18:09:25 So, you have to remember todays date, and then work out it's now friday, and next wednesday is going to be in 4 days Mar 09 18:10:10 * KnightStalker loves N900 <3 Mar 09 18:10:49 I have very few complaints about the hardware. Mar 09 18:11:03 me too Mar 09 18:11:04 =P Mar 09 18:12:55 speedevil, is the date picker at least arranged like a calendar? Mar 09 18:13:24 nm Mar 09 18:13:30 i'm consulint youtube Mar 09 18:13:31 :-p Mar 09 18:14:01 josephnexus: no. It's a scrolly picker that lets you select day/mon/year independantly. Mar 09 18:14:12 arg Mar 09 18:14:15 that's annoying... Mar 09 18:14:23 And while it's lovely and kinetic - it fundamentally has logical problems displaying which day it is Mar 09 18:14:58 If you set month and then year first, in principle, it could then show days along the date picker, but it doesn't Mar 09 18:16:36 at least it tells you after the date is picked Mar 09 18:18:09 is the calendar app open? Mar 09 18:18:13 as in, can I help with improving that? Mar 09 18:18:20 and maybe implementing what you had described? Mar 09 18:18:29 or is it using a system wide date picker that we can't improve? Mar 09 18:18:50 No. Mar 09 18:18:51 yes Mar 09 18:19:30 hmm... has a request been made to nokia to improve it? Mar 09 18:19:41 or have a toggle between fancy slider and calendar? Mar 09 18:23:33 it's going to be annoying when i'm told I have a meeting the first wednesday of each month Mar 09 18:23:33 :-P Mar 09 18:24:13 [2010-03-09 19:09:25] So, you have to remember todays date, ---- simple: *first* jump to the date in calender view, *then* click "new appointment" Mar 09 18:25:05 yes, I know. Mar 09 18:25:23 picking time is a PITA Mar 09 18:25:26 But if I'm in the events list - ... Mar 09 18:25:41 braindead scrolling lists :-( Mar 09 18:26:19 well... hopefully I can become a good community member and help polish this up a bit Mar 09 18:26:21 also there's no "jump to next appointment" that I knew of Mar 09 18:26:41 The date picker, calendar, and events thing are all closed Mar 09 18:27:10 that's actually a real lack of functionality Mar 09 18:29:21 not to mention advanced comodities like "search for events containing >xxx<, in field >yyy<" Mar 09 18:31:49 re Mar 09 18:32:01 basically pim features are missing Mar 09 18:32:04 if nokia wants to keep it closed, then we can push them to fix it Mar 09 18:32:15 contacts are great but calendar/notes/todos are disaster Mar 09 18:32:26 hrw: more accurately, it looks like basic pim is there, but anything beyond basic is in need of polish Mar 09 18:32:39 josephnexus: and one thing: forget about global search functionality - there is no such thing Mar 09 18:32:59 josephnexus: basic pim was in palmos - nokia does not get even that Mar 09 18:32:59 yeah Mar 09 18:34:43 josephnexus: my opinion is that designer which had to design pim for maemo5 never saw phone/pda other then nokia 5110 Mar 09 18:35:47 would be more interesting to know what the spec was Mar 09 18:36:17 if the goal was to make it as functional as a Nokia 1610 or what :) Mar 09 18:36:20 ShadowJK: without signing few ndas and giving kidneys for nokia you will not get it Mar 09 18:37:55 lol Mar 09 18:38:05 yeah Mar 09 18:38:15 it doesn't seem like the n900 is fundamentally bad Mar 09 18:38:21 just appears like it was rushed to market Mar 09 18:38:30 I heard that they need livers as well :) Mar 09 18:39:11 well, you'd expect pim on communicator class devices Mar 09 18:39:24 though it has been weak since s80 died.. Mar 09 18:39:35 * VDVsx saw some calendar part at git yesterday Mar 09 18:39:37 * VDVsx checks Mar 09 18:39:48 oo Mar 09 18:39:50 arg Mar 09 18:39:54 hi VDVsx Mar 09 18:40:01 grr argh? Mar 09 18:40:07 mutant enemy Mar 09 18:40:12 rawr! Mar 09 18:40:18 hcarrega, hey Mar 09 18:40:23 must be what follows next Mar 09 18:42:58 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf69j1U---4 Mar 09 18:43:11 that's epic Mar 09 18:43:17 http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/improving_the_calendar_in_n900/ Mar 09 18:43:23 is this where new stuff is decided? Mar 09 18:43:34 or at least put in for consideration? Mar 09 18:43:36 that's where people give ideas and get ignored Mar 09 18:43:36 not really. Mar 09 18:43:43 :p Mar 09 18:43:46 josephnexus: stuff is decided by the entity that does it Mar 09 18:43:47 and how do I get a username/password so that I can vote? Mar 09 18:43:50 yes i suppose Mar 09 18:44:06 calendar backend is open at least: http://maemo.gitorious.org/calendar-backend Mar 09 18:44:06 just register Mar 09 18:44:16 josephnexus: for example, Nokia decided to announce a few weeks ago that Maemo is to be discontinued Mar 09 18:44:26 and replaced with "MeeGo" Mar 09 18:44:27 yes, in favor of meego Mar 09 18:44:39 The exact roadmap is somewhat unclear. Mar 09 18:44:40 hrw: contacts are WHAT? Mar 09 18:44:41 they share similar roots, so i don't see too much of a problem there Mar 09 18:45:22 * Stskeeps takes a deep breath and reads through the mail Mar 09 18:46:26 josephnexus, untill Nokia doesn't release Moogo for the N900 :D Mar 09 18:46:44 which would suck Mar 09 18:46:50 Arif_: it's already going to be a reference device? ;; Mar 09 18:46:51 :P Mar 09 18:46:57 ;p Mar 09 18:47:00 and make me not purchase any nokia device again Mar 09 18:47:08 oh come on Mar 09 18:47:09 i vote with my wallet Mar 09 18:47:10 :-P Mar 09 18:47:11 yawn Mar 09 18:47:13 s60 is the same either Mar 09 18:47:19 -either +too Mar 09 18:47:25 you don't get FP updates on older phoens Mar 09 18:47:29 Arif_, moogo would be a awesome name ;) Mar 09 18:47:36 moogoo would be better Mar 09 18:47:36 :-p Mar 09 18:47:42 :D Mar 09 18:47:48 sure would Mar 09 18:48:00 Lets all call it Moogo Mar 09 18:48:04 moomin Mar 09 18:48:04 :P Mar 09 18:48:10 maybe they'll change the name xD Mar 09 18:48:59 mongo :D Mar 09 18:49:02 * VDVsx hides Mar 09 18:49:04 mango! Mar 09 18:49:05 :P Mar 09 18:49:20 VDVsx: meegro? Mar 09 18:49:26 (one step from lawsuit..) Mar 09 18:49:41 mummo Mar 09 18:49:42 (contacts) what a crap is *that*? you can't even search for anything except main name content Mar 09 18:49:46 weegro? Mar 09 18:49:47 Stskeeps, from whom ? :D Mar 09 18:49:49 :-P Mar 09 18:51:00 nokia doesn't know how to target enterprise though... Mar 09 18:51:07 the lack of a roadmap makes enterprise nervous Mar 09 18:51:46 i guess s60 has little roadmap Mar 09 18:52:14 but still every company exec has E90 even if he only uses it for making calls Mar 09 18:52:19 status symbol ;p Mar 09 18:53:41 (contacts) ever tried to create a contact with photo on the fly? ("please, have another beer on me, I need to edit your contact details and attach a photo. Will only take 15 minutes") Mar 09 18:55:11 DocScrutinizer, contact photos come automagically from im's. You're doing it wrong. Mar 09 18:55:20 * DocScrutinizer fails completely to understand anyone stating "contacts are great" Mar 09 18:55:41 contacts are great. Mar 09 18:55:45 Mece: huh?? Mar 09 18:55:53 * ShadowJK has never done any of the things you try to do :P Mar 09 18:56:21 but my contacts management has mostly consisted of a sms inbox full of replies from directory services Mar 09 18:56:38 n900's conversations view makes that much more efficient :D Mar 09 18:56:53 Mece: maybe *your* private contacts are great. Nokia contact app definitely is crap Mar 09 18:58:40 DocScrutinizer, I maintain that you're doing it wrong. Mar 09 18:58:54 i think it works very well. Mar 09 18:59:22 I like the contacts app, but the search complain is valid, that sucks a bit Mar 09 18:59:32 I got a GSM, 2 VoIP, and a SIM "method". Some of my contacts have 5 numbers. Imagine what the contact screen looks like?? :-( Mar 09 18:59:35 which search? Mar 09 18:59:55 4 methods * 5 numbers = 20 buttons - eeeeek Mar 09 19:00:02 DocScrutinizer, what ahould it look like then? Mar 09 19:00:29 for once, not duplicate stuff :P Mar 09 19:00:37 well, that's normal I guess Mar 09 19:01:07 they could write duplicate routine when importing contacts Mar 09 19:01:24 hey this guy has the same number/name want to merge ? Mar 09 19:01:26 I don't have any duplicates Mar 09 19:01:37 that would be nice. Mar 09 19:01:38 nah i mean "sms" and "call" Mar 09 19:01:45 VDVsx: huh? seems you missed my point Mar 09 19:01:59 or "chat via jabber" and "make a jabber call" Mar 09 19:02:00 DocScrutinizer, probably Mar 09 19:02:17 I don't understand the complain about the 20 buttons :) Mar 09 19:02:20 DocScrutinizer, ok but what should it look like? Mar 09 19:02:21 if you have 8 different protocols enabled, it fills up the space rather quick Mar 09 19:02:37 * Arif_ complains about the virtual keyboard some more Mar 09 19:02:47 why are you even using that? :D Mar 09 19:02:54 aep, quite. so if we limit the protocols to 1, it would be better? Mar 09 19:02:59 no.. Mar 09 19:03:07 I have a hard time using the hardware keyboard Mar 09 19:03:18 Arif_, mine came with a physical keyboard :) Mar 09 19:03:35 I want T9 Mar 09 19:03:36 ;D Mar 09 19:03:46 WTF??! Mar 09 19:03:54 umm seriously? Mar 09 19:04:06 yes Mar 09 19:04:26 =P Mar 09 19:04:44 Arif_: get a *phone* then! Mar 09 19:04:51 no Mar 09 19:04:52 actually the problem i have is more due to jabber transports. i have 24 jabber buttons Mar 09 19:05:16 ouch Mar 09 19:05:40 my only choice is WM after this I guess Mar 09 19:05:44 and I REALLY don't want that :P Mar 09 19:05:55 and none of them supports voice, so its 12 buttons waisted Mar 09 19:06:08 Is there an open-source maemo dc++ client that runs over bluetooth connections? Mar 09 19:06:22 t9 works well on my 5800 when in portrait (touch-screen only) Mar 09 19:07:33 N900 needs portrait :P Mar 09 19:08:01 aep: (and Mece though I guess it's useless): obviously for contacts with multiple numbers you need a second-level menu that pops up when hitting one of the numbers of a contact, and you select transport from that 2nd level menu Mar 09 19:09:01 sanjoyd: are you confusing things here? Mar 09 19:09:41 ShadowJK: Perhaps. I'll be a little more clear. Mar 09 19:09:46 DocScrutinizer, I suppose that would be an option. Mar 09 19:09:49 why use dc++ when you have obex Mar 09 19:10:06 and bluetooth is slow to transfer data Mar 09 19:10:15 ShadowJK: I need sharing + searching functionality on an ad-hoc network of devices. Mar 09 19:10:29 ShadowJK: Connected through bluetooth. Mar 09 19:10:37 ah, that does not exist Mar 09 19:10:41 wait for BT3.0 Mar 09 19:10:45 :> Mar 09 19:10:56 for me ordering the different options would be much better improvement Mar 09 19:11:02 Any idea if it is possible to run TCP/IP over bluetooth? Mar 09 19:11:11 yes, it is Mar 09 19:11:31 sanjoyd: I guess that's called PAN Mar 09 19:11:33 it's called pan Mar 09 19:11:48 ShadowJK: DocScrutinizer: Thanks! I'll have a look. Mar 09 19:12:41 I guess the advantage of doing it over bluetooth instead of wlan would be power saving... Mar 09 19:13:10 i used to tether internets on my old se k800i from my pc (yes, not the other way round), back when i didn't have a NIT nor a laptop Mar 09 19:14:45 arachnist, :D Mar 09 19:15:09 (contacts) when in portrait mode (real phone-only), you can scroll till your thumb hurts, due to missing letter index to skip to a region of the contacts list [- obviously doesn't apply if you got <20 contacts] Mar 09 19:15:46 re Mar 09 19:15:55 DocScrutinizer: ok, 'great' is wrong word Mar 09 19:16:12 missing/broken scrollbars in maemo5 :( Mar 09 19:16:38 i wish more of the phone ui would be usable in portrait Mar 09 19:16:45 *mode Mar 09 19:16:58 DocScrutinizer: but I think that contacts were not written by @nokia.com guys - quality is higher then rest of nokia things. and yes, it lacks lot of things, has lot of other ones broken in nasty ways but it is nice tool Mar 09 19:17:28 I don't get the need for portrait Mar 09 19:17:41 GAN900: I do Mar 09 19:18:02 GAN900: n900 is my first landscape phone Mar 09 19:18:26 n900 is my fourth landscape phone :) Mar 09 19:18:27 GAN900: when I do a *phonecall*, portrait is a natural thing for a candybar formfactor phone Mar 09 19:18:50 DocScrutinizer, sure, but for the whole OS? Mar 09 19:18:59 nah, NEVER Mar 09 19:20:14 GAN900: what I want in portrait: im (mostly view), images, contacts, rest of pim, mediaplayer Mar 09 19:21:42 well, im, contacts is arguably part of dialer and thus needs to support portrait Mar 09 19:22:31 images needs a "portrait mode" anyway by rotating the image Mar 09 19:23:00 mediaplayer and "rest of pim" is debatable Mar 09 19:23:23 btw, has anyone looked at the n900 speakerholes with microscope before? Mar 09 19:23:28 it's scary Mar 09 19:23:32 atleast on mine Mar 09 19:23:33 lol Mar 09 19:23:35 why? Mar 09 19:23:46 ok, I go off for rest of day now Mar 09 19:23:46 lots of bugs? ;-P Mar 09 19:24:11 DocScrutinizer, yeah it looks like a nest of evil Mar 09 19:24:48 nice -> "qt mobility will be included in pr1.3" Mar 09 19:24:56 VDVsx: source Mar 09 19:24:56 ? Mar 09 19:24:59 I should try take a pic and post it in the hypocondriac "how do I disinfect my n900 without dissolving the plastic please help" thread Mar 09 19:25:07 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=561617&postcount=4 Mar 09 19:25:14 (i forget exact name but there was thread like that) Mar 09 19:25:37 infested terran hq? Mar 09 19:25:52 can't spot any suspicious sight Mar 09 19:26:03 damn. my adsl modem is dying... Mar 09 19:26:35 and no hawt kerrigan Mar 09 19:27:07 was pretty interesting, n800 speaker holes were pretty clear Mar 09 19:27:28 DocScrutinizer, i guess my messages didn't come true. anyway, I stand corrected. The issues you mentioned are proper issues. Not just issues I have issue with. Mar 09 19:27:39 n810 partially clogged near entrance by what looked like wax-like substance (grease from fingers?) Mar 09 19:28:13 n900 holes filled deeper in with scary stuff Mar 09 19:29:11 ShadowJK: that "scary stuff" is micro fibre fabric Mar 09 19:29:28 that'd make sense Mar 09 19:30:47 also something in all 3 that looked like a flat surface with rectangular indentations Mar 09 19:31:04 at the bottom of the holes, I think Mar 09 19:31:35 * GAN900 womder why this thing seems incapable of roaming multiple APs with the same SSID nicely. Mar 09 19:32:21 GAN900, oh I was thinking of changing ssid on my two APs to match Mar 09 19:32:29 * Noobmonk3y waves Mar 09 19:32:47 since n900 doesn't seem to automatically switch between them as nicely as n810 does Mar 09 19:32:52 ShadowJK, I have 4 APs covering the lot and I get aolsystemsgs all the time. Mar 09 19:33:10 I dunno how they managed a regression Mar 09 19:33:18 ShadowJK: on N810 I see same microfibre grid on bottom of holes (plus lots of dust above that which collected over the years :-P) Mar 09 19:33:24 It even lists them separately in the connection dialog. Mar 09 19:34:10 I'm guessing n900 tries too hard before it gives up and switches ap Mar 09 19:34:24 I've got 2 APs to cover the house Mar 09 19:36:15 switching APs with identical SSID is a bit tricky. At very least they need same credentials Mar 09 19:37:09 I got eduroam working today Mar 09 19:37:10 =D Mar 09 19:37:16 but actually NM doesn't know how to handle that Mar 09 19:37:32 Arif_: What uni? Mar 09 19:37:39 HvA Mar 09 19:37:44 (on desktop) Mar 09 19:38:01 DocScrutinizer, oh I just naively thought having same ssid would make n900 think it's okay to switch to whatever is strongest :) Mar 09 19:38:04 some lame one in Dutchland :p Mar 09 19:40:49 * ShadowJK has issues making NM do stuff right on ethernet even... Mar 09 19:42:34 ShadowJK: nah, either you want client to do real roaming between APs forming a network with shared DHCP and authentication infra. Or you want client to hop between completely distinct AP entities, in which case a shared SSID is more like begging for trouble than anything else Mar 09 19:43:11 well dhcp is shared, and wpa key is identical on both Mar 09 19:44:22 ShadowJK: I'm not a 802.11 expert, but I'd think the APs need to support roaming Mar 09 19:44:36 I.E they need to talk to each other Mar 09 19:44:40 one is a 20E chinese branded ap that speaks some inter-ap protocol for the enterprisey roaming, I presume... other is a 100E "Linksys by Cisco" router+ap that knows of no such thing as roaming Mar 09 19:44:53 ah Mar 09 19:45:06 Clearly I should buy more chinese "crap" then :)) Mar 09 19:46:02 still, N810 works seamlessly with it Mar 09 19:46:26 n900 doesn't quite realize when it's out of range for useful communication Mar 09 19:46:35 :-( Mar 09 19:46:40 file a bug Mar 09 20:03:25 hm Mar 09 20:04:28 seems like everything related to KDE is failing @ keyboard focus @ easy debian Mar 09 20:04:42 is that KDE's or Debian's fault? Mar 09 20:05:50 DocScrutinizer, by the way, I'm looking at Insteon stuff for HA right now. Mar 09 20:06:33 is there a site with photos of all 6 sides of the N900? Mar 09 20:07:17 GAN900: err, you lost me. insteon? HA? Mar 09 20:07:44 DocScrutinizer, sorry, related to the home automation question I asked the other week. Mar 09 20:07:49 aah Mar 09 20:08:00 ds3, maybe Nokia's press photos? Mar 09 20:08:16 ds3, I may be able to answer specific questions, though. Mar 09 20:08:55 GAN900: I am trying to see if there is a good place to grip it to mount it in a vehicle Mar 09 20:09:26 I see stuff all over the top (expected) and left and right sides but donno if the bottom is clear or if there are mounting zones designed in Mar 09 20:09:35 bottom's empty Mar 09 20:10:02 top has gaps between the volume rocker on left and power in mid, and power in mid and camera shutter on right Mar 09 20:10:10 so a triangle shaped grip should work? Mar 09 20:10:20 the gaps are plenty big enough for a car mount grip positioned right Mar 09 20:10:23 Yeah Mar 09 20:10:45 are there gaps between the LCD half and the keyboard to bite into? Mar 09 20:11:06 theres a very very very thin gap you could bite something very thin into Mar 09 20:11:30 some cases for the device have a sheet of clear plastic that goes over the keyboard like that between the keyboard and the screen when its closed Mar 09 20:11:33 foil thin? business card thin or ? Mar 09 20:12:05 you could just about get a thin business card in there, not a fancy embossed one though! Mar 09 20:12:24 'k Mar 09 20:12:41 so I can probally make a hook with an aluminum tip to grab it Mar 09 20:13:28 the slide out kb means I can't use my 2 rubber band grip that I have with the 800 Mar 09 20:18:48 I have doubts that mounts that exert a splitting force on the case with wedges are a great idea Mar 09 20:20:59 it won't be a wedge... something like business card thick sheet alum. L peice screwed onto a peice of plastic Mar 09 20:21:15 a wedge would be bad, IMO Mar 09 20:22:58 dear me Mar 09 20:23:05 the first Bada phone's on the way Mar 09 20:23:09 I'd grab the 4 corners of the kbd lower half of the phone, with 4 tetraeder like latches Mar 09 20:23:12 no multitasking ability. Mar 09 20:23:15 what is this, 2005? Mar 09 20:23:39 you mean 1985 Mar 09 20:23:43 DocScrutiinizer: doesn't that run into the jacks on the side? Mar 09 20:24:39 if the teraeders are like 10*10*10mm the won't obstruct anything important Mar 09 20:26:24 what about a rubber thing that with 4 stretchable arms and a hole at the end to grab all 4 corners? Mar 09 20:26:51 nix that.. that'd block the camera Mar 09 20:27:15 the pop out camera is so nice on the N800 in this regard Mar 09 20:28:04 you can pop out the n900 camera Mar 09 20:28:13 eh? Mar 09 20:29:10 With the SS100 camera removal tool. Mar 09 20:29:23 Oh Mar 09 20:29:35 But, yes. Mar 09 20:29:40 I thought you meant it springs out like the N800 Mar 09 20:30:02 other then the CPU, the N900 seems downhill of the N800 :( Mar 09 20:30:40 downhill? Mar 09 20:30:49 speaking personally. Mar 09 20:30:54 yeah, i.e. inferior to Mar 09 20:31:03 \I would not have got a n820 - with no network and similar to 900 Mar 09 20:31:23 the things I loved about the N800 are gone Mar 09 20:31:32 * Arif_ never saw an N800 Mar 09 20:31:34 :D Mar 09 20:34:56 N820 should be a N810 with 3G modem, not a N900 without Mar 09 20:37:29 hey guys Mar 09 20:37:50 hai Mar 09 20:37:58 any estimate for next n900 firmware update release ? maemo wiki mentioned "few weeks" but not sure how many weeks means 'few' :) Mar 09 20:38:11 Soon Mar 09 20:38:39 any details on additions? Mar 09 20:38:47 soon = in 2010, hopefully Mar 09 20:38:47 So we have this Acer beamer in our lounge, and some idiot lost the remote control. What are the chances that I'll get irreco to steer the beamer? It's a pain standing on a chair everytime to turn it on -.- Mar 09 20:39:11 doh.. I`ll be more relax relaying on wiki estiamte :p Mar 09 20:39:12 I installed irreco with the lirc backend and apparently everything works, but the beamer of course isn't in the database or anything. Mar 09 20:39:48 strcpy: anyone who actually knows a more specific estimate than is already public is probably not allowed to share it until the appropriate communications/PR people have approved doing so Mar 09 20:40:04 strcpy: that seems to be the way they are operating for this kind of thing Mar 09 20:40:48 aha , thanks for commenting Hydroxide Mar 09 20:41:19 np Mar 09 20:41:31 I think it's been rumoured some QA people found problems after the "few" weeks was rumoured Mar 09 20:41:32 what is the purpose of the up-left arrow symbol on the n900 x terminal? Mar 09 20:41:38 Shapeshifter, as irrecco doesn't work for me good luck with that Mar 09 20:41:39 :D Mar 09 20:41:54 hopefully dev/extra repositories are satisfying enough ,with good speed at fixing bugs through updates Mar 09 20:42:09 it only shows up sporadically Mar 09 20:42:33 strcpy: fyi, I don't work for nokia or any other company that's inside the Maemo/MeeGo NDA world, and so I know roughly none of the inside information :) Mar 09 20:42:57 madduck it's to make it full screen Mar 09 20:43:07 it's also the icon that you see in the browser Mar 09 20:43:10 to make it full screen Mar 09 20:43:15 madduck, switch between scrolling and marking text for copy Mar 09 20:43:16 when i follow instructions on how to flash i go to load flasher file and it pops up with a black command screen and disappears straight away what am i doing wrong Mar 09 20:43:23 madduck, only shows up when there's scrollable content Mar 09 20:43:30 are the posts about lack of official MMS support still accurate? Mar 09 20:43:31 aSIMULAtor: but nothing happens if i press it but gets crossed out Mar 09 20:43:35 oh nm Mar 09 20:43:37 i'm smoking crack Mar 09 20:43:45 ShadowJK: thx Mar 09 20:43:55 (not really but my answer makes it seems like i am) Mar 09 20:44:09 nah, the fullscreen icon is very similar Mar 09 20:44:23 it's arrow pointing northwest, but inside a box Mar 09 20:44:26 and another Q over Maemo. I've used all recommendations/scripts from maemo wiki and forums on how to free up more space for installing applications, by removing junks or sym-linking some directories Mar 09 20:44:53 but I wish I had a clean & easy way to instantly re-size the partition? Mar 09 20:45:13 ShadowJK: interesting, I hadn't noticed that before. Mar 09 20:45:21 (the scroll/copy toggle icon, that is) Mar 09 20:45:30 strcpy, the partition already spans the entire device Mar 09 20:45:30 I guess it makes sense as well by analogy to the browser's mouse mode Mar 09 20:45:32 Hi guys, looks like some xvids don't have sound on the n900. The default mediaplayer plays sound but is littlebit laggy. Is this a common issue (that mplayer doesn't give sound) Mar 09 20:45:37 ShadowJK: cool, and how does one paste Mar 09 20:45:41 ? Mar 09 20:45:43 but I so rarely have anything scrollable since I usually use screen :) Mar 09 20:45:43 madduck, menu -> paste Mar 09 20:45:48 so why we`re limited to ~1.5GB ?? Mar 09 20:46:02 strcpy, oh that one Mar 09 20:46:15 I thought you were talking about / Mar 09 20:46:22 yes, THAT :) sorry for my lame explenation Mar 09 20:46:39 nevermind, recent posts suggest that is still the cast Mar 09 20:46:40 case Mar 09 20:46:45 ShadowJK: no such menu item… Mar 09 20:47:24 madduck, it helps to have copied something first Mar 09 20:47:36 try ctrl c and v :P Mar 09 20:48:04 strcpy, roughly, it would have been size 0 if they could have gotten away with it (thus maximizing space for music) Mar 09 20:48:19 strcpy, but various things needs posix-compliant filesystem, like the tracker database Mar 09 20:48:28 Shapeshifter: CIR range of N900 is very limited. But you might find a matching emote control def for a TV of same manufacturer Mar 09 20:48:37 I suspect the size is just about "enough" to store the index of 32+16 gigs of music Mar 09 20:49:17 ShadowJK, you`re right but not all of n900 owners go for it just cus of it`s multimedia capabilities, you know... :) Mar 09 20:49:49 I don't really remember, but it might have been just 1 gig before someone said that 80 megs is too small for apps... Mar 09 20:49:56 in my case ,porting and installing some of utilities from linux to n900 quickly eat free space Mar 09 20:50:52 honestly I look at n900 almost like my netbook. that maybe the reason I`m too much rude about these limitations Mar 09 20:50:57 * SpeedEvil wants an emote control for TMO Mar 09 20:51:13 * Arif_ wants irrecco to work Mar 09 20:51:44 I've ported many tools, and it`s close to a pocket backTrack now :) Mar 09 20:52:00 you can hax wifi now? Mar 09 20:52:31 Arif_, not if it`s on anything but channel 6 Mar 09 20:52:42 no problem while using usb wifi though Mar 09 20:52:50 why channel 6 Mar 09 20:53:07 current firmware limits that way Mar 09 20:53:19 injection is not working on other channels Mar 09 20:53:56 I hope to see some upgrades over this, to fix the limitation Mar 09 20:54:48 aw Mar 09 20:55:03 what really disappoint me at the moment, is lack of true bluetooth mouse/kb (based on what I've read in net, not my own experience) Mar 09 20:55:34 I'm just unhappy that the app I use the msot is written in 2 hours Mar 09 20:55:34 =D Mar 09 20:55:40 I've seen not a single SUCESS story on that Mar 09 20:56:04 Arif_, and what`s that? Mar 09 20:56:08 DocScrutinizer: mh okay Mar 09 20:56:13 Arif_: what's not working? Mar 09 20:56:24 get one from DX and get it working Mar 09 20:56:24 :P Mar 09 20:56:40 the media player mostly not works than works :D Mar 09 20:56:59 and i can't get irrecco to work Mar 09 20:57:00 :( Mar 09 20:57:12 DocScrutinizer: CIR range? as in distance to device? Mar 09 20:57:25 Arif_: I mean, in irreco, what's the problem Mar 09 20:57:31 yes Mar 09 20:57:45 I added the TechnoTrend S2=3200 remote and all buttons Mar 09 20:57:50 mhh. I'd love to know why they included it anyway. Mar 09 20:57:50 but when I poke them nothing happens Mar 09 20:58:03 Arif_: and lirc or such is running? Mar 09 20:58:38 I mean, did they just have some IR leftover parts and thought they could stick it into the n900 as geeks love MOAR gadgets? Mar 09 20:58:38 how do I check :blush: Mar 09 20:58:52 Arif_: you could run /etc/init.d/lirc restart Mar 09 20:58:57 as root Mar 09 20:59:10 as it seems. didn't work for me before I did that manually. Mar 09 20:59:29 I'd love to know why they diddn't connect the IR to the CIR port of the SoC Mar 09 20:59:31 but... Mar 09 20:59:45 SpeedEvil: SoC? Mar 09 20:59:47 * Arif_ tries Mar 09 20:59:54 System on a Chip Mar 09 20:59:59 The CPU+shizzle. Mar 09 21:00:09 for rizzle shizzle dizzle yo Mar 09 21:00:25 its official.... wifi is the saviour of crappy 2g areas :) Mar 09 21:01:03 get a better operator! Mar 09 21:01:06 My 2G is only 1/3 the speed of my DSL at times. Mar 09 21:01:20 only? Mar 09 21:01:25 your DSL must be slow Mar 09 21:01:36 :) Mar 09 21:01:45 in terms of throughput, my 3g service is rarely slower than twice the speed of my fixed connection... Mar 09 21:01:47 yes. Mar 09 21:01:50 sometimes 5 times as fast Mar 09 21:01:56 lol Mar 09 21:01:57 but the fixed connection has better latencies.. Mar 09 21:01:57 3.5g is over double my bband speed Mar 09 21:01:59 ShadowJK: 100k/s here - 3g Mar 09 21:02:12 my 3G is only 1Mbit Mar 09 21:02:26 my fixed is 100Mbps :(. No, 3G is not faster Mar 09 21:02:26 SpeedEvil, downloaded a podcast at 500kbytes/sec this morning on 3.5g :) Mar 09 21:07:50 in the mine is bigger than yours stakes.... does a gigabit connection at work and via vpn count? tis quite sexy after about 5pm :) Mar 09 21:08:25 SpeedEvil: good question Mar 09 21:09:59 how is it connected now? Mar 09 21:10:17 To a PWM unit. Mar 09 21:10:44 It's odd - as the CIR port is a flexible 'UART' to do CIR signals. And the PWM thing is bitbang. Mar 09 21:11:01 is the PWM unit responsible for modulating the 38khz thing too? Mar 09 21:11:18 yes Mar 09 21:11:23 hmm Mar 09 21:11:23 ah Mar 09 21:11:24 it's turned on and off manually Mar 09 21:11:25 meh Mar 09 21:11:36 CIR is slow enough Mar 09 21:11:47 * Arif_ 'll try again on the next Moogo device Mar 09 21:13:10 * ShadowJK once desoldered IR sensor from a a dead VCR and connected it to line-in and wrote software to decode the resulting signal when pressung stuff on the remote contorl, making it control xmms and MPlayer Mar 09 21:13:32 with modular plugins for controlling different programs and a button on the remote to switch from one program to another Mar 09 21:13:44 ... when it was done I learned of the existence of LIRC Mar 09 21:13:51 I was mildly annoyed Mar 09 21:14:57 you must've been bored =} Mar 09 21:14:59 heh Mar 09 21:16:41 I had lots of spare time Mar 09 21:17:10 SpeedEvil: the CIR "port" is actually a IrDA port I guess? Mar 09 21:17:53 it's got a CIR mode too, it's quite complex Mar 09 21:18:13 SpeedEvil: probably they couldn't do carier frequency tuning so easily with IrDA port? Nah, not a valid point Mar 09 21:18:42 I suspect someone just did it as a PWM without realising it could be done elsewise. Mar 09 21:18:55 Or the hw engineering side hooked it to a pwm Mar 09 21:18:56 yup Mar 09 21:18:57 If it had been me I'd first connected it to a GPIO or a serial port and discovered it doesn't quite work, and then added PWM ;p Mar 09 21:20:37 SpeedEvil: you make me remember OM nighmares on fighting uphill to exploit functions we could have gotten for free, but "we don't need that. It's not in the specs" Mar 09 21:20:47 :/ Mar 09 21:21:03 lol Mar 09 21:21:05 e.g. line in on hs connector Mar 09 21:21:08 http://e2e.ti.com/blogs_/b/mobile_momentum/archive/2009/12/12/flash-10-moves-to-the-mobile-environment.aspx Mar 09 21:21:09 hmm Mar 09 21:21:11 flash Mar 09 21:21:22 that would have been nice Mar 09 21:21:42 lol Mar 09 21:21:54 It says flash 9.4 on the box, so it will be 9.4! Mar 09 21:22:01 I can see the rationale for not including anything that would boost the price - or make it more risky Mar 09 21:22:35 line in is 5ct, 0 risk Mar 09 21:24:04 Have you guys seen that guy on tmo that is modifying his N810 to add cellular? Mar 09 21:24:44 pretty easy - if you are willing to make it bulge Mar 09 21:25:15 or use a smaller battery :) Mar 09 21:25:24 SpeedEvil: connecting clk_32k to PWM ext-clk another one, to make AUX/pwr LEDs dim/flash during suspend Mar 09 21:25:42 lcuk? Mar 09 21:25:57 I don't remebmber if he's making it bulge or not Mar 09 21:26:56 * Noobmonk3y blinks Mar 09 21:29:11 SpeedEvil: or that incredible V-USB AbsMax 5.5V shit. Of course that's not for free to get at least a 7V conforming OVP. But otoh the risk reduction is well worth the 50ct Mar 09 21:29:37 Perhaps, yes. Mar 09 21:31:38 wow, that gprs module he bought is the size of an SD card Mar 09 21:31:50 mini sd Mar 09 21:32:41 nah! Mar 09 21:32:58 he removed the minisd slot and put the gprs module there, and is pondering how to fit in the SIM Mar 09 21:33:06 maybe same footprint, yes Mar 09 21:33:17 "have 1 big problem : space for sim . Probably i will remove all plastic of sim and solder directly. " Mar 09 21:33:30 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=527846&postcount=17 Mar 09 21:33:38 ShadowJK: he did this further down Mar 09 21:34:33 n810 with cellular modem would be awesome :( Mar 09 21:34:35 so the size is that of the miniSD *holder* Mar 09 21:34:40 penguinbait, Mar 09 21:35:23 hey lcuk, did you accept your nomination? Mar 09 21:37:04 penguinbait, did you manage to bend reality to add some extra time into a month? i did a whole extra week of OT in the last month. unless you find a way to gain some time i am not going to be able to do anything. Mar 09 21:37:53 actually even the footprint is quite a bit larger than the miniSD holder. And the whole thing will be an epic fail as you can't operate the module with all the thermal vias up in the air and hoping for the best :-) Mar 09 21:38:37 also I wonder what he planned for GSM antenna Mar 09 21:39:46 lcuk that is too bad Mar 09 21:41:02 indeed penguinbait tis silly season atm :) i have raised this internally ill accept/decline running tomorrow Mar 09 21:44:15 DocScrutinizer, maybe he'll just get lucky not knowing what he's doing :D Mar 09 21:45:21 * Arif_ blinks Mar 09 21:46:34 well, he could solder the thermal vias to a large heat dissipating plane - if that fits in there somehow. And he could just drill a hole in the case and mount an external GSM ant stub Mar 09 22:08:24 whens the x86 n1000 out? Mar 09 22:08:36 tomorrow Mar 09 22:08:38 whens my phone ognna be a brick? :/ Mar 09 22:08:41 along with PR1.2 Mar 09 22:11:15 PR1.2 really comin out tomorrow? Mar 09 22:11:41 yes Mar 09 22:11:58 * Arif_ runs Mar 09 22:12:00 * lcuk looks at Arif_ curiously Mar 09 22:12:11 are ou referring to http://maemo-freak.com/index.php/rumours/1383-nokia-n900-to-get-first-meego-build-later-this-month Mar 09 22:12:31 i heard PR1.2 needs a multitouch display Mar 09 22:12:31 no, I'm just telling everyone that asks Mar 09 22:12:51 I hear PR1.2 makes the speakers not suck! Mar 09 22:13:22 by employing a gstreamer plugin that does multiband compression Mar 09 22:13:34 or companding even Mar 09 22:14:39 the stereo widening and loudness on older NSeries was nice Mar 09 22:14:40 :P Mar 09 22:20:39 wtf Mar 09 22:20:51 is there a way to make the image fixed the gallery keeps changing the pic Mar 09 22:23:23 hrm, if I need a daemon that runs in the background, can it also somehow provide a custom item in the preferences config app? Mar 09 22:42:16 moo Mar 09 23:00:24 on the N900, is there a UI to switch the USB port between networking, modem, and mass storage? Mar 09 23:00:43 yes. Mar 09 23:00:55 well - between mass storage and another mode Mar 09 23:00:57 actually only for the 1st time Mar 09 23:01:03 once you have selected a mode Mar 09 23:01:05 thatp ops up when you plug in the plug Mar 09 23:01:08 you'll need to replug Mar 09 23:01:23 to select the other mode Mar 09 23:01:43 or reboot? Mar 09 23:02:03 Unless you count the shell as UI Mar 09 23:02:46 hi all... anyone knows how to stop my N900 from wanting to update? Mar 09 23:04:32 which rootstrap does the maemo SDK use for N900 dev? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 09 23:10:55 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 10 21:48:21 2010 Mar 10 21:48:50 GAN: Sorry. Wanted to asked about MacOSX problem with WiFI APs Mar 10 21:49:02 GAN: Is it always so unstable? Mar 10 21:51:07 hi, anyone here using t-mobile in the usa and having problems with sending emails to phone#@tmomail.net? I cant seem to get nagios to send alerts or they are intermittent. Mar 10 21:52:05 ponyofdeath: t-mo usa uses mms instead of sms when the message exceed 160 chars. you need to use one of the unofficial mms support implementations for the n900 Mar 10 21:52:09 SpeedEvil: ShadowJK; any now facts or rumours about that bat gauge chip? Mar 10 21:52:16 ponyofdeath: I use fmms to handle that, and I think one other one exists Mar 10 21:53:16 DocScrutinizernot been looking at it. Mar 10 21:54:22 DocScrutinizer, i'm clueless Mar 10 21:55:03 checking I2C used chip addresses might help Mar 10 21:55:24 alas I have no clue what's been the tool to do that Mar 10 21:55:52 Hydroxide: i see so follow the fmms guide online? Mar 10 21:56:28 i'm under the impression that it's generally not possible to detect things on i2c reliably Mar 10 21:56:53 sometimes it's not Mar 10 21:57:50 this one here should give a identifiable reply though Mar 10 21:58:21 I mean it,s a monitoring chip designed to yield values to be read Mar 10 21:58:57 ShadowJK: My phone-3 used an i2c keyboard, I believe Mar 10 21:59:05 perfectly reliable Mar 10 21:59:24 and it's on same I2C bus as the charger mgmnt chip Mar 10 22:00:09 lupine_85, I mean there's no reliable way to enumerate devices on a i2c bus Mar 10 22:00:42 javispedro: do you also see a lot of errors like this: "PVR_K:(Error): Failed to find offset struct (KVAddress=c89bd000)" (from mmap.c) in dmesg? Mar 10 22:01:29 hm, and I wonder where to connect for blizzard display refresh - OMAPLCD IRQ reqeuests fail, but I guess that is natural. Mar 10 22:01:32 VDVsx: what is the size of the HAM icon embedded into control file, again? Mar 10 22:01:33 pH5: did you remember adjusting DMA size stuff? Mar 10 22:01:51 ShadowJK: in this case we got the I2C bus to probe (from BME kernel stuff) and we know there shall be two devices at least Mar 10 22:01:56 RST38h, 48x48 Mar 10 22:02:10 Stskeeps: I flashed the provided kernel. Where do I find the DMA size patch? Mar 10 22:02:26 pH5: sec Mar 10 22:02:33 VDVsx: Ack Mar 10 22:02:40 pH5: if you flashed kernel that should be there Mar 10 22:02:52 VDVsx: and Maemo4 is 26x26? Mar 10 22:03:08 exactly Mar 10 22:03:15 Stskeeps: just in case I build my own. but I guess I can find this info in one of the >50 talk thead pages sometime? Mar 10 22:03:18 ah, yes Mar 10 22:03:22 SpeedEvil: you said you had a look. Found anything noteworthy? Mar 10 22:03:24 pH5: yes, trying to find it for you :) Mar 10 22:03:27 this thing is huge :) Mar 10 22:03:51 turns out it was GPIO, not I2C, anyway Mar 10 22:03:58 'though I'm extremely fuzzy when it comes to these things Mar 10 22:04:01 pH5: CONFIG_FB_OMAP_CONSISTENT_DMA_SIZE=8 Mar 10 22:04:11 Stskeeps: thanks! Mar 10 22:04:12 DocScrutinizer: I've been reading random bits of datasheets. Mar 10 22:04:24 DocScrutinizer: not got up the energy to do systematic investigation. Mar 10 22:05:14 * lupine_85 has built the default kernel, yay Mar 10 22:05:33 lupine_85: did it boot? Mar 10 22:05:47 I have no idea yet Mar 10 22:05:51 "A furious lesbian who broke her [deep breath] lover's ex-husband's sister's boyfriend's legs by deliberately mowing him down in a car was jailed on Tuesday" Mar 10 22:05:59 eek Mar 10 22:06:10 haven't got that far ;) Mar 10 22:07:05 That's a lot of levels of indirection to get angry through Mar 10 22:08:16 RST38h, that sounds like something kevin bacon would tell people Mar 10 22:08:25 RST38h: wacky Mar 10 22:08:30 RST38h: that's ... Mar 10 22:08:37 http://news.stv.tv/scotland/east-central/162387-deliberate-car-attack-lesbian-sent-to-womens-prison/ Mar 10 22:08:54 RST38h: 5 miles away? Mar 10 22:09:35 * RST38h can see SpeedEvil silently going over the list of his friends/relatives, just in case Mar 10 22:10:17 pH5: I get that message often, usually when creating/deleting egl contexts Mar 10 22:10:38 RST38h: I do know a henderson family Mar 10 22:10:51 I'm unsure if they're related to the defendant Mar 10 22:10:53 oh. Mar 10 22:11:06 It's unlikely. Mar 10 22:11:28 (there are ~60000 people in kirkcaldy) Mar 10 22:11:45 RST38h: I'm guessing the "furious lesbian" broke up with the lover to go out with the lover's ex-husband's sister, who then went straight and got a boyfriend Mar 10 22:11:46 amirite? Mar 10 22:12:28 lupine: I am kinda afraid to guess Mar 10 22:12:38 sounds like the kind of thing that might happen Mar 10 22:12:38 the headline alone has been enough, really... Mar 10 22:13:02 * lupine_85 belatedly discovers a custom kernel is extras that has ipv6 Mar 10 22:13:10 let's give that a try... Mar 10 22:13:13 I know the victim's mother's sister's ex-lover's son's university room mate Mar 10 22:13:43 RST38h: I'm really unhappy about a 3 year 9 month sentance - which may result in under 2 years of time served - if she behaves Mar 10 22:14:01 can't we add bacon to this discussion tomorrow? :P Mar 10 22:14:02 For what was basically attempted murder Mar 10 22:14:04 er, too Mar 10 22:14:18 I got a large online shop delivered today. Mar 10 22:14:22 to Mar 10 22:14:30 They diddn't deliver my bacon, though charging me for it. Mar 10 22:15:10 no substitutions? Mar 10 22:15:18 i confuse das and dass occasionally Mar 10 22:15:19 zomg, it works Mar 10 22:15:38 although, it seems to not want to pick up a global ip Mar 10 22:17:46 lupine_85: I complained - and they're refunding my card - but... Mar 10 22:17:58 herh Mar 10 22:18:32 ah, radvd is no longer running for whatever reason Mar 10 22:18:45 wonder if I should try to get dhcp6 working instead Mar 10 22:20:17 nah, sac is... well... easier :D Mar 10 22:21:25 pupnik: that's understandable Mar 10 22:22:01 no double-entendre intended ;) Mar 10 22:23:02 wonder how ADs tron game would run on N900 Mar 10 22:25:56 * Arif_ wonders if the Unreal engine will be ported to the N900... Mar 10 22:26:06 lol Mar 10 22:26:11 lardman|home: do you find n810 keybd unpleasant now? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 11 09:00:15 2010 Mar 11 09:00:26 lol Mar 11 09:01:06 I guess you haven't discovered maemo yet ;) Mar 11 09:01:30 no, got it like a week ago and I didnt even unpack it until last night Mar 11 09:01:38 but apt seems to be used for everything else Mar 11 09:02:28 I would be very surprised if they would go like "yeah, apt works 100% of the time, is exactly designed for this, but let's reinvent the wheel, write a new apt-like software, but that will mess the apt installs up badly enough for the user to lose all data" Mar 11 09:02:48 haha Mar 11 09:03:07 h-a-m shuts down much of the system for upgrade, so that the number of files in use would be minimal, so that disk space doesn't run out.. when you update via apt, I dont think it does that Mar 11 09:03:27 ShadowJK: actually, my firmware update looked exactly like when I install applicatinos Mar 11 09:03:38 the only difference was that after it was done it rebooted automatically Mar 11 09:04:14 Considering that apt has upgraded systems on 12+ different architectures for nearly 2 decades I would be very surprised if maemo devs didnt find it satisfying Mar 11 09:04:57 have you discovered the dependency package yet? :D Mar 11 09:05:16 What is it? Mar 11 09:05:50 I could ofcourse be dead wrong. Mar 11 09:05:55 Oolite! Mar 11 09:06:07 Because, as I see all the time when developing for WinCE and Win32; programmers are stupid animals Mar 11 09:06:13 mp-pr-fremantle-geneirc or something like that.. depends on specific versions on all the packages in the base system Mar 11 09:06:32 if somehow the microsoft stupid animal programmer is working at nokia they might indeed have reinvented the wheel, only made it square Mar 11 09:06:46 if you for example replace busybox with gnu tools it gets uninstalled and you get no more firmware upgrades :) Mar 11 09:06:55 ShadowJK: ofcourse not Mar 11 09:07:00 that's a dependency thing and not at all surprising Mar 11 09:07:08 The packages are conflicting Mar 11 09:07:22 The firmware update requires busybox to be installed. It's the same in all apt-based dists Mar 11 09:07:28 Can't have the cake and eat it, my friend. Mar 11 09:08:36 poorly designed "all-in-one" dists (like ubuntu) do that all the time with stuff like pulseaudio, HAL, etc Mar 11 09:08:43 Hi guys Mar 11 09:10:11 I have problem with video recording on my N900. Movies doesn't have a proper "end". VLC shows me some length of video, but when I change position close to end, the vido playing ends Mar 11 09:11:03 Cervajz: some videos have intervals Mar 11 09:11:04 Sry for my English Mar 11 09:11:05 nokia UI guy who chose comobox for selecting a specific date in calendar application should be shot Mar 11 09:11:13 Cervajz: is it like this with all videos? Mar 11 09:11:20 fcrozat: indeed Mar 11 09:11:49 when I was opted to update time and date upon starting the phone for the first time I was like "if this continues like this I'll go brazil and shoot them myself. it will be for a good cause" Mar 11 09:11:51 in Maemo4 there was a calendar for selecting date :/ Mar 11 09:12:03 Coke: it is probably the first calendar application not using a calendar to choose a date.. You don't have any way to know which day of the week it is.. Mar 11 09:12:08 ShadowJK: inded :( Mar 11 09:12:19 fcrozat: however, keep this in mind Mar 11 09:12:28 THe guys who designed the maemo UI are not UI designers Mar 11 09:12:32 They are programmers. Mar 11 09:12:34 It's the hype, swishing and swooshing is all the rage Mar 11 09:12:43 Have you seen some of the stuff programmers have done for linux lately? Mar 11 09:12:44 Coke: I doubt that.. Mar 11 09:12:59 Coke: actually there were actual UI designers involved Mar 11 09:13:00 Aside from compiz, most WM's are pretty fucking horrible from a normal user's perspective Mar 11 09:13:06 ShadowJK: I dont think so Mar 11 09:13:22 and when the Programmers tried to make it sane, the UI designers said NO Mar 11 09:13:31 Because not only is the UI 1/1000 of what android and iphone provides, but the actual design of the phone itself is flawed Mar 11 09:13:51 Ok, lemme rephrase, when I say UI designer I mean like the ones who designed Android and iPhone Mar 11 09:14:10 the ones who are good at what they do and actually research human behavior when interfacing technology Mar 11 09:14:27 It's also the fault of the testers. If I would have tested this I would have filed it as "broken/bug" Mar 11 09:14:30 if you look at the bugzilla there are many bugs that can't be fixed because fixing it would break the UI Spec, and the UI Designers don't read bugzilla :( Mar 11 09:14:46 All that is going to be history when meego replaces maemo Mar 11 09:15:01 Like, the list of design problems and errors made in maemo is HUGE. Mar 11 09:15:05 might as well restart. Mar 11 09:15:22 but it's still a linux phone with a fudging terminal..... mmmm... terminal! Mar 11 09:15:41 ShadowJK: for a consumer it matters little who's to blame, really Mar 11 09:16:04 All they'll see is this barely usable, buggy phone. My mom isn't easily convinced by terminals and remote X capability. Mar 11 09:16:34 atleast now they brought the people tha design the phone, and the people that make the software, into the same division instead of being separate :) Mar 11 09:16:48 i dunno Mar 11 09:16:57 normally UI designers should be kept as far away from programmers as possible, IMO Mar 11 09:17:19 I meant the hw and sw people Mar 11 09:17:26 if they are good, they should know as little about the code behind and just set the requirements from a user's perspective Mar 11 09:17:26 ah Mar 11 09:17:26 Yeah. Mar 11 09:17:51 the HW is outstanding Mar 11 09:18:04 actually, no you are wrong Coke. ui/ux designers must be involved with the developers - its no use UX outlining certain unrealistic technically prohibitive goals, and the designers can learn to find what comes easily and naturally on a device Mar 11 09:18:05 Coke: Hm, it looks like problem with VLC. Everything is OK in QuickTime player Mar 11 09:18:13 Sorry for that Mar 11 09:18:24 the UI designers who said the proper way to switch away from a fullscreen app is to open the camera lid, and close the camera program that autostarts... Mar 11 09:18:31 lcuk: i disagree. if the UI isn't technically sound it probably isn't sound from a user's perspective either Mar 11 09:18:36 lcuk: look at Apple Mar 11 09:18:48 their UI designers didn't give a shit "what was possible" they said "this is the most efficient way to solve it for the user" Mar 11 09:18:55 luckily they conceded to have ctrl-backspace, or then it was snuck in :) Mar 11 09:19:11 then it's up to the development team to make those UI specs without compromising tech quality. sometimes things get rejected. Mar 11 09:19:13 Coke :) you think that only applies to apple Mar 11 09:19:23 lcuk: it certainly doesnt apply to Nokia, Microsoft, etc Mar 11 09:19:31 Well, google might have actually hired in some good guys for android Mar 11 09:19:40 :) Mar 11 09:19:52 lcuk: yeah, theres a good example Mar 11 09:23:55 Coke: wanna bet even if MeeGo is made sane and usable, companies will "differentiate" it to unsane and silly for their devices? :) Mar 11 09:24:42 Damn split Mar 11 09:25:00 ShadowJK: no, i dont think so Mar 11 09:25:07 I'm hoping it will be even more "linuxy" Mar 11 09:25:23 like, a complete linux system that just happens to run a DE adapted for each type of phone hw Mar 11 09:27:29 Yeah but corporations and operators just can't resist to "improve" things by letting a grizzly with friggin lasers run over it atleast once :) Mar 11 09:28:11 Like all those different android UIs, and the mess of some devices having store, some not having the android store, etc Mar 11 09:28:38 argh Mar 11 09:28:47 ShadowJK: it's ok Mar 11 09:28:55 ShadowJK: you can still always replace the default DE Mar 11 09:29:08 ShadowJK: android is uber locked Mar 11 09:29:15 is there a way to prevent the phone from going to "pick language, region etc" when I change sim cards in my n900? Mar 11 09:29:17 Meego will always be freeeee! Mar 11 09:29:31 Atleast so for "known" (prior used) ones? Mar 11 09:29:33 Let's hope there'll be many untivoized devices :) Mar 11 09:29:47 ShadowJK: what is that? Mar 11 09:29:48 ShadowJK: huh? they joined SW devels and EE department? Mar 11 09:31:18 docscrutinizer: It's "Maemo Devices" now Mar 11 09:31:37 Hi ! Mar 11 09:31:51 * DocScrutinizer should definitely move his lazy arse and write an application then Mar 11 09:32:47 so next device won't end up with a flawed USB port or similar annoyance Mar 11 09:34:22 Well.. afaiu they either had to have working otg from start, or no otg, and working otg depended on lots of kernel work due to omap errata, and they didn't want to miss christmas Mar 11 09:35:10 ShadowJK: boo Mar 11 09:35:20 ShadowJK: Meego devices! Mar 11 09:35:22 DocScrutinizer: what is wrong with the USB? Mar 11 09:35:28 all appreciated. Still you probably could have done better at least wrt errata Mar 11 09:35:51 but it's hard to know, people talk about otg and get otg replies... when in fact all that (99%) care about is usb host mode Mar 11 09:36:07 exactly Mar 11 09:36:08 Hrm, why can't I find the pixelpipe plugin in the app manager? Mar 11 09:36:15 The only complaint I might have with the USB is that it could be bigger Mar 11 09:36:20 * ShadowJK has never used OTG on N810, but often used host mode :) Mar 11 09:36:21 the micro USB sockets tend to get damaged easily Mar 11 09:36:57 ShadowJK: aiui N810 has no OTG at all Mar 11 09:37:03 the sockets themselves are more durable than miniusb, but it turns out the weakest link is at the pcb :) Mar 11 09:37:13 and unlike iPhone users I don't consider my phone a deity to which I pledge my homage Mar 11 09:37:15 ack Mar 11 09:37:27 docscrutinizer: oh? I thought it automagically switched with the right cable Mar 11 09:37:34 ShadowJK: what's a pcb? Mar 11 09:37:42 circuit board Mar 11 09:37:48 ShadowJK: still no full OTG Mar 11 09:38:05 Oh, OVI store Mar 11 09:38:09 tbh I dunno Mar 11 09:38:35 cables are impossible to find anyway... Mar 11 09:38:44 yep :-( Mar 11 09:38:51 but female-female usb adapters are plentiful Mar 11 09:39:05 missing ID pin Mar 11 09:39:06 wtf is up with that, what would people use them for Mar 11 09:39:37 no idea Mar 11 09:40:08 x-modem host? Mar 11 09:40:28 ShadowJK: lesian usb adapters, now we're talking... Mar 11 09:41:48 Is it OK to modify the symlinks in rcN.d directories to change the startup daemons? Mar 11 09:42:14 you'll learn on next boot :-P Mar 11 09:42:54 please report :-) Mar 11 09:43:10 we're awaiting your results eagerly :) Mar 11 09:43:45 I meant more like "does Easy debian use some magic tool to alter services?" Mar 11 09:44:32 * DocScrutinizer feels like getting a second device, for messing around (aka development) Mar 11 09:44:52 does it ever run in other runlevels than 2? Mar 11 09:44:59 DocScrutinizer: "" Mar 11 09:45:22 DocScrutinizer: but zero cash. Mar 11 09:45:29 I tried that with N8x0, didn't work Mar 11 09:45:31 same here :-/ Mar 11 09:45:43 duh, why? Mar 11 09:46:40 Somehow I was using both so much I still didnt dare mess around Mar 11 09:46:48 is there an app/plugin/widget that gets me the date displayed in the bar where the clock is displayed? Mar 11 09:46:53 Coke: easy debian does nothing - AFAIK - it simply runs it in a chroot Mar 11 09:47:14 * DocScrutinizer makes notice to upgrade his spare N810 before the public infra is vanishing :-P Mar 11 09:47:48 I saw a bunch of 404 and timeouts a few weeks ago already :) Mar 11 09:48:33 Does easy debian use tcpwrappers for allow and disallow? Mar 11 09:48:44 SpeedEvil: what do you mean? Mar 11 09:48:54 The sysv crap have all these symlinks in rc.d-dirs Mar 11 09:49:06 actually its not sysv, but thats the way debian does it Mar 11 09:49:27 in the olden age the only way to change startup was to symlink and rm your way through 6 runlevels Mar 11 09:49:41 later some dists added the "service" command to manage this horrible mess Mar 11 09:49:54 others, like the grand fantastic archlinux, use just one textfile to manage runlevels Mar 11 09:50:09 I did rm /etc/rc2.d/S55ssh manually just now Mar 11 09:50:22 wondering if there's an easier way Mar 11 09:51:49 argh. Being a teredo relay requires me to run BGP Mar 11 09:51:56 ShadowJK: well I guess a dd from one to the other should do mostly Mar 11 09:52:49 Coke: chroot is a method of running programs in an alternate filesystem root. Mar 11 09:53:13 Coke: easy debian as far as I understand does this. It does not touch the original root filesystem. Mar 11 09:53:35 i think it has some extra stuff going on Mar 11 09:53:48 Coke: there are cmdline dedicated tools to manage services in init.d Mar 11 09:54:25 DocScrutinizer: which are.... Mar 11 09:54:25 forgot the name Mar 11 09:54:34 because that was my question: what to use for managing the services Mar 11 09:55:08 debian has update-rc.d or something like that.. Mar 11 09:55:21 there's insserv, but I guess it's not applicable for maemo Mar 11 09:55:59 for centos there are other service manager tools, which I used 2 weeks ago... forgot :-P Mar 11 09:56:01 ShadowJK: and what file does it read from in order to know how to update it? Mar 11 09:56:11 no idea Mar 11 09:56:22 Hello!!! Don't you guys even use for your phones? :) Mar 11 09:56:45 * Coke haven't actually used his n900 as a phone yet Mar 11 09:56:46 * DocScrutinizer sighs Mar 11 09:57:23 I did conside making openvpn start automatically, got to the point you're at and thought "meh, only start it once a month anyway I can do that manually" Mar 11 09:57:35 * ShadowJK is lazy Mar 11 09:58:11 ShadowJK: normally managing services is easy Mar 11 09:58:47 RSA host key for 192.168.1.30 has changed and you have requested strict checking. ½€“n¶↓ ¶€¬””¬³ł½¼²¼²@@@!! :-((( Mar 11 09:58:54 there was a controlpanel addon in maemo4, but I never tried it there either :) Mar 11 09:59:24 ShadowJK: meeh Mar 11 09:59:26 1.2 Mar 11 09:59:28 PR Mar 11 09:59:30 lalala Mar 11 09:59:31 Why not simply have the services command available? Mar 11 09:59:46 Also, Debian have some weird naming and packaging policies Mar 11 09:59:56 weird? Mar 11 10:00:12 apache, python etc Mar 11 10:00:25 The rationale being "I was high on crack when I came up with this sh*t" Mar 11 10:00:29 * DocScrutinizer yawns on 43th update of flashlight Mar 11 10:00:33 * ShadowJK nominates Coke to port "services" or an equivalent :P Mar 11 10:00:59 ShadowJK: it sort of sucked. Mar 11 10:01:12 Also, I'm pretty sure easy debian has some way of doing it Mar 11 10:02:01 coke, you seem very eager to find fault, whats your background if i might ask? (ie are you a win developer, hacker, manager etc) Mar 11 10:02:20 update-rc.d [-n] name start|stop NN runlevel [runlevel]... . start|stop NN runlevel Mar 11 10:02:35 lcuk: hacker Mar 11 10:02:43 ShadowJK: yay Mar 11 10:03:19 lcuk: basically, when I run linux I install about 50M worth of software as "default" Mar 11 10:03:34 After that I install every package with great selectivity, configure it manually by editing files and then setup my system Mar 11 10:03:43 the only debianisms that I find weird are grub2 and exim Mar 11 10:03:52 lupine_85: apache too Mar 11 10:03:53 and Python Mar 11 10:03:58 what's wrong with them? Mar 11 10:04:06 lupine_85: overly complex for no gain Mar 11 10:04:14 and there's no rationale as to why they should be that complex Mar 11 10:04:18 are there no manpages in easy-debian? Mar 11 10:04:24 I can fit the Python packaging policy of archlinux on ONE line Mar 11 10:04:28 * ShadowJK has never tried easydebian :P Mar 11 10:04:30 The debian policy is like 10+ pages Mar 11 10:04:31 can't comment on python particularly, but the apache stuff is handy enough Mar 11 10:04:38 lupine_85: no it's not. :) Mar 11 10:04:42 the upstream method is better Mar 11 10:04:47 * lupine_85 senses a difference of opinion Mar 11 10:04:51 lupine_85: indeed. Mar 11 10:05:06 I can live with exim4 being fudged in debian, but not Python Mar 11 10:05:20 our platform here is Python running on multiple types of linux Mar 11 10:05:24 you should see what they've done to rubygems ;) Mar 11 10:05:33 although that's fair enough. rubygems are evil to begin with Mar 11 10:05:33 lupine_85: fudged up too? Mar 11 10:05:37 ok. Mar 11 10:05:45 they're not where the upstream puts them Mar 11 10:05:50 but upstream do weird stuff Mar 11 10:06:07 the Python upstream module policy is this: all importable modules and their support libraries go into $PREFIX/python$VERSION/site-packages/ Mar 11 10:06:11 done Mar 11 10:06:11 wtf? flasher ON MAEMO native? o.O Mar 11 10:06:13 one line. Mar 11 10:06:23 now read http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ Mar 11 10:06:25 and weep Mar 11 10:06:39 Docscrutinizer: and people brave/innocent enough to use it! Mar 11 10:06:47 LOL Mar 11 10:06:49 Why have they done this you may ask? To save a few k's of data to avoid multiple installs of the same python module Mar 11 10:07:21 ShadowJK: recursion: ->see recursion Mar 11 10:07:38 [dict entry] :-P Mar 11 10:08:09 I think the most useful it can do is flash new kernel Mar 11 10:08:29 * lupine_85 reads Mar 11 10:08:31 lupine_85: here's what the maintainer responded in my written complaint "if you're on a embedded system and you have multiple versions of Python those kilobytes of data are precious" Mar 11 10:08:36 actually I humbly dare to doubt it even can do that Mar 11 10:09:09 Coke: so maemo bind-mounts /usr/python* into /opt ;D Mar 11 10:09:34 docscrutinizer: but there are a few alternative kernels in extras-devel! Mar 11 10:09:45 ShadowJK: the problem is not where Python and it's modules are, the problem is that Debian employs a HUGE extra library with installation checks, version comparison functionality etc Mar 11 10:09:57 ShadowJK: and it spread out the libraries and over 20+ directories instead of 1 Mar 11 10:09:59 *shrug* a lot of those pages are declaring how the python packages interact with apt Mar 11 10:10:24 lupine_85: no Mar 11 10:10:28 check out the module section Mar 11 10:10:33 great, and now how am I supposed to use flasher ON MAEMO to flash a kernel to the device named maemo is running on? Mar 11 10:10:49 lupine_85: it's such a mess that I had to replace ALL my Debian servers with Slackware Mar 11 10:10:57 chapter 2? Mar 11 10:10:59 And I've been a debian-only user sinec 97 Mar 11 10:11:05 USB loopback? virtual NOLO? Mar 11 10:11:36 docscrutinizer: magic! Mar 11 10:12:15 i think it needs fiasco images instead of z or uImages.. Mar 11 10:12:26 lupine_85: check out python-support and python-central Mar 11 10:12:36 honestly now - is flasher able to flash NAND directly rather than via USB? Mar 11 10:13:03 In any case, they add python-support and python-central modules in case someone with limited space (yet insisting on bloating with multiple versions of Python) would want to save a few kilobytes to NOT install the same module twice Mar 11 10:13:39 lupine_85: and, we use 3 different versions of Python for our full platform and it's a fudging nightmare to manage it on Debian Mar 11 10:13:42 directly here menas: let's write to /dev/xyz Mar 11 10:14:22 lupine_85: keep it simple does not exist on Debian any more. in fact, I think it's part of the policy to make things as complex as possible Mar 11 10:15:20 lupine_85: the best response I've ever gotten from a Debian devel was "the guy makes a valid point" Mar 11 10:16:03 lupine_85: but a geek may never admit to being wrong, so there we are Mar 11 10:16:06 ~ $ flasher --query-rd-mode Mar 11 10:16:08 flasher v2.8.2 (Jan 18 2010) Mar 11 10:16:09 Suitable USB device not found, waiting. Mar 11 10:16:15 brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrfffffffffffffffffffffttttttttzzzzzzz Mar 11 10:16:24 heh. like I say, python's not exactly my area of expertisze Mar 11 10:16:45 I should probably change that Mar 11 10:17:04 ~ $ uname -a Mar 11 10:17:06 Linux IroN900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Thu Dec 17 09:40:52 EET 2009 armv7l unknown Mar 11 10:17:22 muhahahahaha Mar 11 10:17:51 DocScrutinizer: don't remember all the details, but follow the procedure *exactly* when flashing. Down to "when to be plugged in", when to start flasher, etc. Mar 11 10:18:04 and then they save 64k on kernel msg buffer Mar 11 10:18:39 Veggen: Idoupt I will achieve to plug my N900 to itself Mar 11 10:18:46 I doubt Mar 11 10:20:00 due to missing hostmode for USB, I even doubt I could flash *another* N900 by using flashor on mine Mar 11 10:21:12 does flasher use a file of some sort (/dev/*?) to write the data? Mar 11 10:21:30 [2010-03-11 11:12:36] honestly now - is flasher able to flash NAND directly rather than via USB Mar 11 10:21:59 [2010-03-11 11:16:05] Suitable USB device not found, waiting. Mar 11 10:22:01 well, given the fact that you can do upgrades ota Mar 11 10:22:03 yes? Mar 11 10:22:14 lupine_85: no, it uses libusb or something similar which is /proc/bus/usb Mar 11 10:22:28 fair enough Mar 11 10:24:15 asj-: seems herd to access the own device's NOLO bootloader this way Mar 11 10:24:21 hard* Mar 11 10:25:48 DocScrutinizer: Mar 11 10:26:49 has anyone tried to import a .vcs file into the calendar app? I tried simply renaming it to .ics - no luck (error message was not informative) Mar 11 10:27:01 ~ $ ls -l `which flasher` Mar 11 10:27:03 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 66036 Jan 18 16:07 /usr/bin/flasher Mar 11 10:27:04 ~ $ file `which flasher` Mar 11 10:27:06 /usr/bin/flasher: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped Mar 11 10:27:48 66k not even optified useless crap - no? Mar 11 10:28:10 DocScrutinizer: you're trying to have the n900 flash itself? Mar 11 10:28:24 I doubt that's possible Mar 11 10:28:35 DocScrutinizer: it isn't... Mar 11 10:28:48 still I wonder what that flasher executable might be for Mar 11 10:29:16 doesnt the kernel update require self flashing Mar 11 10:29:17 oh you found it Mar 11 10:29:53 probably what lcuk said? Mar 11 10:30:00 lcuk: yep, but *is* flasher used for that? and if so: how? Mar 11 10:30:01 fwiw, I fixed my problem with my three sim Mar 11 10:30:04 it was a case of stupid user error Mar 11 10:30:14 I had the 3g/2g switcher app installed before flashing Mar 11 10:30:17 burchr: you get a read mobile provider/ ;) Mar 11 10:30:21 I had switched my phone to 2g.. Mar 11 10:30:24 sorry j/k Mar 11 10:30:27 and it stayed that way after reflash Mar 11 10:30:38 and three sims don't work with 2g mode/phones, so! Mar 11 10:32:37 docscrutinizer: well the kernel .deb's must contain scripts for self-flashing.. Mar 11 10:33:18 ShadowJK: that's about as far as my thinking got right now. But I'm no .deb wizard Mar 11 10:33:27 DocScrutinizer: ar Mar 11 10:34:54 well, I'm hoping for somebody else looking into that :-P As I first had to even find where and how to dl a kernel.deb Mar 11 10:36:26 basically I'd at best file a bug "flasher has borked useless --help on maemo" Mar 11 10:37:34 as I stubled over it while looking for something completely different Mar 11 10:43:36 kernel.deb? Mar 11 10:43:38 wtf? Mar 11 10:43:41 are you mad? Mar 11 10:44:28 # Command to used to obtain list of FIASCO image contents Mar 11 10:44:29 CMD_FLASHER_LIST="/usr/bin/flasher -F" Mar 11 10:44:50 /sbin/fiasco-image-update Mar 11 10:45:30 * lupine_85 builds miredo for maemo Mar 11 10:45:58 # Command to actually flash images Mar 11 10:46:00 CMD_DO_FLASH="/usr/bin/flasher --local -f -F" Mar 11 10:46:21 --local is the magic word :-D Mar 11 10:46:46 :) Mar 11 10:46:54 :P Mar 11 10:46:59 woo, it compiles. ship it! Mar 11 10:47:22 what's miredo? Mar 11 10:47:30 teredo tunnel client Mar 11 10:47:49 once that's installed, I should have IPv6 over Voda's 3G network Mar 11 10:48:00 then my phone will always have IPv6 available Mar 11 10:48:12 hehe Mar 11 10:48:16 ~ $ flasher --local --query-rd-mode Mar 11 10:48:17 flasher v2.8.2 (Jan 18 2010) Mar 11 10:48:19 Could not connect to '127.0.0.1' Mar 11 10:48:19 /then/ I can run mobile IPv6 on it and it'll always have the same IP Mar 11 10:48:30 oh Mar 11 10:48:32 nice Mar 11 10:48:36 DocScrutinizer: having fun? :) Mar 11 10:48:43 miredo - Teredo IPv6 tunneling through NATs Mar 11 10:48:43 miredo-server - Teredo IPv6 tunneling server Mar 11 10:48:48 furthermore, it'll be a globally-routable unicast IP Mar 11 10:49:02 good for openssh-server ;) Mar 11 10:49:05 lupine_85: do you have flatrate? Mar 11 10:49:21 I don't really know Mar 11 10:49:23 cehteh: actually yes :-) Mar 11 10:49:26 i mean ping6 -f your phone could be costly :) Mar 11 10:49:46 I think it comes with some GB included with the contract Mar 11 10:50:16 and given how miredo and mobile IPv6 works, I can easily block abusive peers at the ipv6 server Mar 11 10:50:19 * cehteh just openvpn's to the home network, v4 still, Mar 11 10:50:30 * DocScrutinizer considers testing of rootfs flashing --local :-P Mar 11 10:50:52 cehteh, the problem with that is when you switch from, say, wlan to 3g, all your TCP connections get broken Mar 11 10:51:10 not here Mar 11 10:51:18 ?? Mar 11 10:51:32 I'd love to know how you do that Mar 11 10:51:33 openvpn .. with improved setup, the default setup sux Mar 11 10:52:24 handover time from wlan to mobile and back is about 10 secs or so Mar 11 10:52:24 * ShadowJK uses openvpn to his server for seamless wlan/3g/2g switching Mar 11 10:52:45 ShadowJK: with the stock setup? .. that never worked for me Mar 11 10:52:49 do you have your config up anywhere? Mar 11 10:52:53 mind publishing the related config files, dude? Mar 11 10:52:56 no not stock Mar 11 10:52:57 snap ;) Mar 11 10:53:01 hehe Mar 11 10:53:34 well there are some more hacks .. ifup scripts, dnsmasq stuff and so on Mar 11 10:53:49 yum, "hacks" Mar 11 10:53:55 :) Mar 11 10:53:58 and hacks on the serverside... Mar 11 10:54:03 even better reason to drop it on the wiki Mar 11 10:54:04 not really Mar 11 10:54:20 well dont make a too small keepalive timeout, that kills i learned :P Mar 11 10:54:39 my setup isn't full in that only irc and http go through vpn, rest breaks Mar 11 10:54:55 yeah, mobile ipv6 actually works transparently Mar 11 10:54:58 booo Mar 11 10:55:23 I'm missing the ifup hacks :) Mar 11 10:55:35 i dont gateway normal traffic only traffic directed to my home network .. hey i dont want to stuff all through my 384k upstream dsl Mar 11 10:56:00 i am considering to setup a 2nd vpn endpoint on my server for gating web traffic Mar 11 10:56:04 hmm, why not? Mar 11 10:56:07 but no need so far Mar 11 10:56:19 I'd need thingy to replace default gateway to go through vpn, and full nat on the server Mar 11 10:56:35 DocScrutinizer: haah .. dont forget it has to pass that twice Mar 11 10:56:37 I got a server box, fat connection Mar 11 10:56:48 yeah i have a biggier server Mar 11 10:56:55 yeh, mine's at leaseweb.. Mar 11 10:56:59 but dont really need it Mar 11 10:57:20 PUBLISH! Mar 11 10:57:31 lol Mar 11 10:57:32 bugger Mar 11 10:57:45 if you like, I'll publish my IPv6 setup once it's finished Mar 11 10:57:59 all it'll need is a server somewhere with IPv6 Mar 11 10:58:01 as far as openvpn goes, I'm using the "static-home.conf" example from their website :P Mar 11 10:58:20 squid and irssi on server listening on vpn ip Mar 11 10:58:36 mm, that's not good enough for me :) Mar 11 10:58:43 I use lots of XMPP, for example Mar 11 10:58:48 * cehteh send a bug report (improvement) to the openvpn package about using dnsmasq, but they rejected it because if security reasons, which is partially true, but i dont care much if a dns query goes outside the vpn Mar 11 10:58:48 lupine_85: hmm, I actually never checked if mine is IPv6 Mar 11 10:59:18 most 'real' ISPs will have IPv6 connectivity as an option, at least Mar 11 10:59:22 * lupine_85 works for one of them ;) Mar 11 10:59:24 sometime next i think about setting up a dns tunnel (tcp in dns) .. and establish openvpn over that Mar 11 10:59:43 that should go thrugh almost any wifi hotspot :) Mar 11 11:00:03 how about simply setting up openvpn over udp in the dns port? Mar 11 11:00:05 hehehe Mar 11 11:00:14 I originally set it up just to get seamless irc.. :) Mar 11 11:00:15 heard it works pretty decently as well Mar 11 11:00:19 on my n810 Mar 11 11:00:58 ShadowJK: i'm using bip as proxy now .. that makes irc extremely seamless .. xchat on laptop and n900 connected to the same session Mar 11 11:01:23 what's bip? Mar 11 11:01:30 cehteh: you fixed the backlog timestamp issue for bip? Mar 11 11:01:54 an irc bouncer which allows this 2 clients on one connection thing Mar 11 11:02:02 DocScrutinizer: i dont have backlog enabled Mar 11 11:02:06 muahaha Mar 11 11:02:09 ircbouncers Mar 11 11:02:20 * tybollt gets nostalgia flashbacks :D Mar 11 11:02:21 tybollt: huh? Mar 11 11:02:31 since my irc clients always run, and i do normal logging no real need Mar 11 11:02:37 doc: ^^^^^ Mar 11 11:02:56 tybollt: rather useful tools Mar 11 11:03:02 yes Mar 11 11:03:10 I remember having to use those before :) Mar 11 11:03:25 cehteh: how's your N900 irc client supposed to *always* have connectivity? Mar 11 11:03:49 you run your irssi in a shell someplace Mar 11 11:03:52 bada-bing Mar 11 11:03:58 bah Mar 11 11:04:05 DocScrutinizer: why not, really? Mar 11 11:04:07 i dont like irssi (because of perl only extensibility) Mar 11 11:04:07 xchat here Mar 11 11:04:21 just checked new symbin ^3 demo. boooring :( Mar 11 11:04:24 DocScrutinizer: oh... then that's a whole other issue ;) Mar 11 11:04:38 boring but usable and works Mar 11 11:04:43 wazd: is the UI anywhere close to Hildon? Mar 11 11:04:48 * ShadowJK runs irssi on server, irssiproxy module loaded making irssi double as bouncer, xchat on * connected to thst Mar 11 11:05:10 DocScrutinizer: wlan or mobile network .. and congestion/reconnects will be buffered by openvpn to some extent Mar 11 11:05:37 cehteh: PUBLISH! Mar 11 11:05:55 whats there to publish? .. thats just the normal way it works :P Mar 11 11:06:37 thats the main reason i set up openvpn for .. for secure things i use ssh anyways .. Mar 11 11:06:54 but yet alone getting peristent tcp connections is priceless Mar 11 11:07:19 what to publish? a "VPN mini howto" Mar 11 11:07:34 aaaaah Mar 11 11:07:48 ending my work today Mar 11 11:07:50 going home. Mar 11 11:08:02 feels good! Mar 11 11:08:41 uhm .. the openvpn website and its manual is all you need :P Mar 11 11:11:40 znc is a pretty good irc bouncer Mar 11 11:12:02 is anyone with an n900 has 30 seconds and feels generous enough to confirm the (minor) bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7834 , please could they open an Xterm and run: Mar 11 11:12:05 i used dircproxy before .. but it didnt had this dual client feature Mar 11 11:12:06 Bug 7834: modest dbus interface does not support SendReceive method call Mar 11 11:12:19 dbus-monitor --session& ; dbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.modest /com/nokia/modest Mar 11 11:12:23 com.nokia.modest.SendReceive Mar 11 11:12:41 ...and confirm they see "error_name=org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod" ? Mar 11 11:12:44 modest has bug .. i'm shocked :) Mar 11 11:12:57 cehteh: :) Mar 11 11:15:32 haha, ipv6 on my phone must be working. SIP just stopped connecting Mar 11 11:15:42 (asterisk doesn't support sip on ipv6 for some reason) Mar 11 11:23:14 omfg Mar 11 11:23:21 * crashanddie falls in love with xcode Mar 11 11:24:05 haha Mar 11 11:24:24 it s well designed code editor isn't it Mar 11 11:24:28 i love it too Mar 11 11:24:36 and the designer is awesome ! Mar 11 11:25:44 crashanddie, i almost misread that as you fell in love iwth X-Fade :D Mar 11 11:26:18 lcuk: yeah, maybe not :P Mar 11 11:36:51 mtd: [ERR]: No introspection data at object /com/nokia Mar 11 11:36:57 with mdbus2 Mar 11 11:38:15 morning Mar 11 11:38:31 moo Mar 11 11:38:52 DocScrutinizer: lot of nokia objects do not have introspection Mar 11 11:39:44 ~lart nokia objects Mar 11 11:39:44 * infobot whips out his power stapler and staples nokia objects's foot to the floor Mar 11 11:41:13 hey people Mar 11 11:45:45 hey Mar 11 11:48:37 hey speedevil Mar 11 11:48:48 @ digital africa summit Mar 11 11:48:58 thanked a few of the nokia execs for the n900 Mar 11 11:49:10 does anyone know how to change language to english on maemoit.org its all foreign Mar 11 11:53:25 hi is there a reason why microB resolves addresses much longer than fennec? Mar 11 11:54:20 you found one thing where fennec is faster then microb? :) Mar 11 11:54:46 currently microb doesnt work for me at all Mar 11 11:54:52 so i have to use fennec Mar 11 11:54:58 might change after next reboot Mar 11 11:55:08 browserd crashed? Mar 11 11:55:12 so fennec is infinitely much faster than microb Mar 11 11:55:19 no idea Mar 11 11:55:43 and autorotate ceased working in photo browsing and microB :( Mar 11 11:56:14 fennec is significantly faster for me Mar 11 11:56:18 for much. Mar 11 11:56:44 though is lacks rotate and text copy Mar 11 11:56:49 you can turn off browserd's auto-restart Mar 11 11:57:08 shouldv free some ram Mar 11 11:57:13 yes Mar 11 11:57:52 xorAxAx: How do you deduct fennec is faster than microb? Mar 11 11:58:19 Fennec is a lot slower for me O_o Mar 11 11:58:28 Painfully slow to tell the truth Mar 11 11:58:36 anyone know if there's an opengl 2.0 shader designer? Mar 11 11:58:42 on n810 maemo-launcher looks to have many processes taking 40%-100% memory... are those really the programs im running? Mar 11 11:58:44 i've tried amds rendermonkey but i've got a nvidia 8600gts and that Mar 11 11:58:51 doesn't really work with rendermonkey even with nvemulate =/ Mar 11 11:59:11 opengl es? Mar 11 11:59:20 yeah preferably Mar 11 11:59:51 tybollt: read what i wrote :) Mar 11 12:00:11 tybollt: the page loading times are infinitely long for microb Mar 11 12:00:44 opengl shader designer (typhoon labs) won't even start =/ Mar 11 12:46:24 so, n900 with miredo and openssh-server running seems to have pretty good battery life still Mar 11 12:46:48 ssh server running should be quite irrelevant Mar 11 12:46:56 it will never do anything unless connected to Mar 11 12:49:31 lupine_85: Want to drain battery? Set up MFE :D Mar 11 12:55:01 hi guys Mar 11 12:55:05 hi girls Mar 11 12:55:36 hello! anyone had mic issues with their n900 ? Mar 11 12:56:03 tybollt: ♥ Mar 11 12:56:10 ido--: sound comes and goes when making phonecalls? Mar 11 12:56:14 can some one link me the smothest way syncing my N900 with an Collaboration System? Mar 11 12:56:23 ido--, I've not actually had a telephone conversation just yet, but my skype test sounded fine. Mar 11 12:56:33 urg! Mar 11 12:56:39 tybollt, MFE? Mar 11 12:56:45 i just got mine (from ebay), it looks new, but the mic doesnt work anywhere Mar 11 12:56:47 ido--: describe your problem Mar 11 12:56:59 ido--: _at all_? Mar 11 12:57:16 ido--: sounds bad Mar 11 12:57:17 *G* Mar 11 12:57:25 fyl Mar 11 12:57:35 the mic just doenst record, not anyone can hear me when in a call Mar 11 12:57:50 the headphones mic does work however Mar 11 12:58:08 lupine_85: Mail For Exchange Mar 11 12:58:26 ido--: So the hardware is broken. Return it. Mar 11 12:58:30 :S Mar 11 12:58:37 Myrtti: Sorry I don't speak finnish. Mar 11 12:58:57 is it 100% a hw problem ? Mar 11 12:59:24 ido--: I would reflash the phone before I sent it to repair - to make doubly sure it is not related to software Mar 11 12:59:59 i did reflash it Mar 11 13:00:02 using NSU Mar 11 13:00:08 ;/ Mar 11 13:00:27 ido--: still problematic? Yeah then go to your nokia shop and have it services Mar 11 13:00:31 serviced* Mar 11 13:02:04 tybollt: tis ok, I speak English and I'm already taken Mar 11 13:03:50 Myrtti: ORLY? Mar 11 13:05:15 yarly Mar 11 13:17:32 I'm writing a program where I want to use gestures, I'm wondering, whether I could actually implement these gestures into X somehow, so maybe, map the browser circle gestures to emulate a scroll wheel on a mouse .. Mar 11 13:17:49 Thought it might benifit a lot of people if I could do that :) Mar 11 13:17:57 ~benefit .. Mar 11 13:21:43 alterego: that sounds like a neet feature for any touch screen developer Mar 11 13:22:17 Coke: that's what I was thinking, though, I'm sure it's not trivial, I've never actually looked into X programming directly ... Mar 11 13:23:27 Linear Matrix algebra will help you fit arcs. Mar 11 13:23:35 4x4 matrix Mar 11 13:24:15 alterego: it would be cool to have an Xorg input driver that would recognize configured gestures and emit X input events. Mar 11 13:24:38 you can do that in a client Mar 11 13:24:42 alterego: all I could find on the web is http://blogs.gnome.org/carlosg/2010/01/29/multi-touch-support-in-linuxxorggtk/ Mar 11 13:24:59 much easier than faffing around configuring a driver inside the X server Mar 11 13:25:08 Robot101: only it would only work for that client Mar 11 13:25:22 Robot101: an X input driver would work with all apps in X Mar 11 13:25:22 Robot101: agreed, thanks for the heads-up. I'll look into it this weekend :) Mar 11 13:25:26 well no, you could have one client recieve events and synthesize others Mar 11 13:25:37 but generally, X should just deliver the actual events and let the X clients sort it Mar 11 13:25:44 most gesture stuff is done at the widget set level Mar 11 13:25:51 well, should be / will be Mar 11 13:26:09 Robot101: makes sense Mar 11 13:26:45 Robot101: well, I want this to be available to multiple applications. I want to properly emulate the input driver, so the application would work the same on a desktop system. Mar 11 13:27:05 alterego: with Robot101's idea each application must use gestures Mar 11 13:27:13 alterego: even so, one client can send emulated input events Mar 11 13:27:17 Yes, Mar 11 13:27:25 (also; if your widget set implements gestures, the app still doesn't need to care) Mar 11 13:27:42 Yeah, Mar 11 13:28:01 Robot101: would those gestures be picked up if I use the mouse pointer in X? Mar 11 13:29:27 is it possible in Maemo5 to receive audio over Bluetooth via SCO and route to the speakers or headset? Mar 11 13:29:28 * andre__ never tried Mar 11 13:39:20 andre__: gstreamer should be able to do most of that if not all. Mar 11 13:40:55 hi all Mar 11 13:48:14 my N900 has arrived :) Mar 11 13:48:58 nice Mar 11 13:52:29 now to figure out how to open the battery cover without breaking it.. hmm.. lol Mar 11 13:52:48 You just have to put your finger inside the notch and lift away. Mar 11 13:52:53 There's no catch. Mar 11 13:52:57 Funnyface: it is a little odd, but it doesn't break Mar 11 13:53:01 It's quite firm. Mar 11 13:53:04 (I had the same worry the first time I opened mine) Mar 11 13:53:09 I was worried about breaking mine. Mar 11 13:53:10 Lol Mar 11 13:53:38 hehe got it now Mar 11 13:53:49 I didn't want to break any plastic hook/finger. Mar 11 13:55:58 will maemo act as I'd expect (throw up a pointer on its screen?) if I associated a bluetooth mouse? Mar 11 13:56:19 I have nfc, but I'm interested to know. Mar 11 13:56:54 heh. yes, the battery cover is an insane piece of engineerinh Mar 11 13:57:03 speaking of breaking battery covers, I dropped my N900 on the pavement yesterday :( Mar 11 13:57:10 ouch Mar 11 13:57:14 mtnbkr: better the cover breaks than the n900 Mar 11 13:57:14 :P Mar 11 13:57:23 morning all Mar 11 13:57:28 all I saw were parts and dollar signs flying everwhere Mar 11 13:57:35 mwaha Mar 11 13:58:14 I need a pouch/case/cover. Mar 11 13:58:41 well, it slightly cracked the corner where a wrist strap should be, and broke all the tiny clips on the back cover, but the back cover still snapped back on just not as snugly Mar 11 13:59:34 :( Mar 11 13:59:36 insurance? Mar 11 13:59:38 burchr: that's for sure... sadly I had just changed from my winder jacket to my spring jacket and it jut flew out of my pcoket.. :( Mar 11 13:59:43 Maybe I should consider a wrist strap. Mar 11 14:00:00 no insurance (yet) lol Need to find out where to buy spare back cover though Mar 11 14:00:45 I WISH they shipped a wrist strap with it. That was on my "to buy" list, but prolly wouldn't have helped me yesterday Mar 11 14:00:58 mine came with a wrist strap Mar 11 14:01:02 I couldn't work out how to attach it Mar 11 14:01:08 Oh? Mar 11 14:01:31 Oh well, I'll just have to be very careful with my phone for a while. Mar 11 14:01:33 i have mine in a cheap chinese plastic rubber protector thing Mar 11 14:01:37 But I need a silicone case or something. Mar 11 14:01:38 which will absorb any drops Mar 11 14:01:43 and they sent me a wrist strap with it for free Mar 11 14:01:59 aha, a bug report Mar 11 14:02:09 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9389 Mar 11 14:02:10 Bug 9389: Bluetooth HID mouse support Mar 11 14:04:17 * mtnbkr re-checks his N900 box for the elusive wrist strap.... Mar 11 14:05:24 hmm Mar 11 14:11:01 Table 15-40. OTG_CTRL :: Address Offset 0x0A :: bit5 DRVVBUS :: Signals the internal charge pump to drive 5 V on VBUS 0b: Do not drive VBUS. 1b: Drive 5 V on VBUS. Mar 11 14:12:00 is there a cmdline way to directly read/set I2C connected chips' registers? Mar 11 14:14:14 SpeedEvil: ^^^ Mar 11 14:14:31 interesting. Mar 11 14:14:36 Don't know - haven't lookes Mar 11 14:14:42 there is an i2c* package in the repo Mar 11 14:14:46 I don't know what it does Mar 11 14:15:32 SpeedEvil: thanks anyway Mar 11 14:18:44 hmm, i2c-tiny-usb is all I can spot here Mar 11 14:19:04 yes, that's what I was thinking of Mar 11 14:20:46 SpeedEvil: guess it could be possible to go /sys* ? Mar 11 14:22:40 Hey there, can someone tell me how to reach the addon settings in firefox mobile? I can't figure it out :( Mar 11 14:23:27 swipe to the right, IIRC, last time I used it Mar 11 14:25:02 ahh thanks, haven't been using the n900 or smartphones in general much yet, still not quite used to it :) Mar 11 14:37:41 anyone knows if/where oprofile is available for the n900 ? Mar 11 14:39:00 bilboed-tp: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/oprofile ? Mar 11 14:39:19 I can't find the "tools" repository Mar 11 14:39:42 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Installation ? Mar 11 14:40:11 yay for not having links for the obvious ? Mar 11 14:41:02 yeah :( Mar 11 14:41:10 some things do need to be easier to find Mar 11 14:41:22 to get to the packages list i seem to have remembered a 5/6 click method :( Mar 11 14:42:35 how about a template for the devtools pages, with a link to installation instructions? Mar 11 14:44:19 hey guys Mar 11 14:46:07 hey karlosos Mar 11 14:46:11 having a good day? Mar 11 14:47:15 noobmonkey how do u private message cause i cant find instructions someone showed me yesterday but i forgot lol Mar 11 14:47:35 /msg nick text Mar 11 14:47:40 yeah today is good and you Mar 11 14:47:41 or /query nick Mar 11 14:48:32 thanks satmd Mar 11 14:49:17 i am bored need a new app to try any good ones to try out Mar 11 14:50:16 intrnet Mar 11 14:50:21 try that Mar 11 14:50:35 good web 2.0'ey things on it Mar 11 14:50:41 you can learn about punctuation from internet Mar 11 14:50:59 ok will take a look Mar 11 14:51:31 lol Mar 11 14:53:06 lol Mar 11 14:53:08 sorry at work Mar 11 14:53:12 only look every few mins Mar 11 14:53:22 ahh no probs mate] Mar 11 14:53:31 w000p my app is only 6 days from maemo repo :D Mar 11 14:53:39 17/10 votes in so far :D Mar 11 14:54:02 can you say what it does yet or do i have to wait till its been oked Mar 11 14:54:25 lol it's in extras-testing you are welcome to download it if you have the repo enabled :D Mar 11 14:54:29 it is Healthcheck Mar 11 14:54:46 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45453 Mar 11 14:54:49 what for Mar 11 14:54:52 screenshots and functions on that talk thread Mar 11 14:54:57 ah Mar 11 14:54:58 for the n900 lol Mar 11 14:55:14 tis my very first app :D - so lots of help from qwerty, lcuk etc Mar 11 14:55:17 how come you cant go straight to a link on here Mar 11 14:55:32 you should be able to depends on what you are connecting to irc on Mar 11 14:55:44 ok right click and open in new browser just found it Mar 11 14:56:10 w000p Mar 11 14:56:22 a phone reboot tool that would be very handy Mar 11 14:56:40 its just a button in the app - it is possible to add it to your top menu status area - not sure how though Mar 11 14:56:59 does give me a message to confirm you are sure though - as before hand people hit it by accident, lol - at least it worked :D Mar 11 14:57:29 to say you were new youve done pretty weel making the app Mar 11 14:57:34 shutoff device works Mar 11 14:57:41 hehe cheers :D - never done python, qt or linux before :D Mar 11 14:58:03 started this at the end of january - in which time my linux experience is this phone since december :D Mar 11 14:58:13 Shows how much you can learn just from the talk forums :D Mar 11 14:58:50 yup Mar 11 14:58:51 i have never done any programming so i wouldnt even know where to start other than reading c++ which is hard to understand unless you have someone there to help you lol Mar 11 14:59:20 noobmonk3y_: a great example for people to follow Mar 11 14:59:42 yeah Mar 11 14:59:49 some structured learning is needed imo Mar 11 15:00:12 most definately Mar 11 15:00:25 theres a lot i need to learn Mar 11 15:00:26 brb 2 mins Mar 11 15:00:55 if i am shown i take things in a lot better but reading is def not my forte Mar 11 15:01:16 i hate reading lol Mar 11 15:02:21 sorry boss is back in the office - and sits behind me! Mar 11 15:02:40 no probs dont get sacked lol Mar 11 15:02:47 hehe - i have some experience in VB, pascal, ada, flash etc... so the basics i hope are there... but python and qt was pretty much starting over again :D Mar 11 15:03:16 the pain is the starting step to actually trying to get it on the device, once i did it... it was just a case of change code, test, change code test Mar 11 15:03:51 karlosos: - i'm going to try and do a very simple first timers guide to pyqt linking to examples etc - but will take some time to write Mar 11 15:05:18 I don't suppose anyone knows how to disable those annoying IM presence sounds, they were introduced in pr1.1 and keeps making noise when the phone switches internet connection and skype reconnects Mar 11 15:05:50 hmm no idea - but i have no sounds on mine, turned em all off Mar 11 15:05:57 :D - apart form the ring tome and sms tone Mar 11 15:06:01 i got rid of skype cause it knackered ma phone up saying can not recieve messages Mar 11 15:06:31 and wouldnt recieve even sms messages Mar 11 15:07:21 villager: Settings → Profiles → Sytem sounds → off, i think Mar 11 15:07:27 but that also disables useful sounds like battery low Mar 11 15:07:37 yeah I don't want to disable battery warnings Mar 11 15:07:46 hmm Mar 11 15:08:40 i turn anything off with sounds apart from sms and calls cause gives me an extra 3 hours of battery Mar 11 15:09:50 and its amazing how much your battery goes down when wifi is on so that wifi switch was a good app to get Mar 11 15:11:56 E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives Mar 11 15:12:40 move it to MyDocs? Mar 11 15:13:26 ln? Mar 11 15:14:42 me to karlosos - a quiet phone is a well behaved phone :D Mar 11 15:16:53 damn... it's rebooted during apt-get Mar 11 15:17:16 hope, it ddint' briked Mar 11 15:37:46 " Mar 11 15:37:47 According to AppleInsider sources, iPhone firmware 4.0 will bring multitasking to the platform this summer." Mar 11 15:38:01 FEAR Mar 11 15:38:04 OMG in just a few months Steve Jobs will invent multitasking! Mar 11 15:38:32 Isn't that, like, confusing to the user? Mar 11 15:38:59 nonono, now you'll be able to quadruple-click on the home button to switch application Mar 11 15:39:04 usability ftw Mar 11 15:39:36 and then they'll claim they invented the Nintendo-thumb syndrom Mar 11 15:40:13 I bet it'll be "limited multitasking" in a way or another, and still it's a thing to praise like it's best invention ever Mar 11 15:40:30 * RST38h is sure this will become a huge selling point for iPhone over products from *other* manufacturers Mar 11 15:41:02 I mean, it will be the first iPhone to offer multitasking! Mar 11 15:41:10 Other manufacturers of iPhone? Mar 11 15:41:16 if it's not limited through magical restriction X, iphone may cough under memory/cpu load and user experience may erode! Mar 11 15:41:47 kirma: Isn't this a reason to kick another few thousand apps from the app store though? Mar 11 15:42:21 and user experience is more important than what the customer would actually want, maybe compromising even that UX Mar 11 15:43:12 hi, i got an interesting question here: if i connect a projector with n900 using tv out cable, is it possible to have the device showing screen 1 and the projector showing screen 2? Mar 11 15:43:28 lovelyboy, no Mar 11 15:43:31 lovely: theoretically yes, practically no Mar 11 15:44:06 without new hardware, even the latest iphone probably lacks memory to keep transitions and such bullshit nice with three arbitary apps running together Mar 11 15:44:29 well the hardware is similar to N900 Mar 11 15:44:42 And N900 handles things relatively well (albeit not perfectly) Mar 11 15:44:46 * noobmonk3y_ blinks Mar 11 15:45:07 most likely approaches could be technically limited background processing capabilities or a certification process that enforces publishers to write programs according to steve's wishes. Mar 11 15:45:27 "relatively well" isn't good enough for jobs Mar 11 15:46:56 it might turn so that one can run only multitasking-approved applications up to some magical limit on the device, and one traditional iphone app. or something like that... Mar 11 15:47:38 I wonder what kind of UI they'd provide for application switching, though. Mar 11 15:53:46 RST38h: (practically no) why? Mar 11 15:54:21 RST38h: any system reasons, or just missing app to do that correctly? Mar 11 15:55:51 I mean, it basically does show two different screens for LCD and AV-connector right now (the AV has no user interface superimposed) Mar 11 15:56:29 ohhhhhh my god .... its the day of stupid people calling me..... Mar 11 15:57:21 a staff member logged a job with our IT peoples to transfer a blackberry... response back was... i'm sorry sir, we do not support blackberries... so i sent him the 150 page SLA, and said... i'm sorry sir yes you do.... is response was.... I don't know what that document is!!!! omfg!!! Mar 11 15:57:57 also 10 mins ago, my boss got nominated for team of the year at an awards do..... odd as i'm the only other one in his team and i'm not nominated :D Mar 11 15:58:21 a day with no stupidity would be a boring one though :D Mar 11 15:58:59 does anyone know if http://tomch.com/maemaps.html uses cached maps? Mar 11 15:59:07 DocScrutinizer:do you have any links demonstrating what you mean by different screens for lcd and av, am really interested at this Mar 11 15:59:33 * noobmonk3y_ blames lcuk for general ignorance in the world......... :D hehe Mar 11 15:59:46 Mohammad: it does not Mar 11 15:59:54 * noobmonk3y_ will brb - another joyouse phone call ;D Mar 11 16:00:50 when you connect it to tv and play a movie you get the UI only on the device's screen Mar 11 16:01:17 lovelyboy: nope, but it's as simple as "mediaplayer coninues to show an unmangled video to AV output, while on LCD it pops up the reverse, pause, forward etc buttons same time" Mar 11 16:01:21 RST38h, maps for israel don't show, but they're on maps.google.com Mar 11 16:01:43 ic :D Mar 11 16:02:05 the video is probably a different device like on older PC graphics cards :) Mar 11 16:02:30 ShadowJK: yep Mar 11 16:03:31 hi Mar 11 16:04:45 if mediaplayer wasn't braindamaged in almost all respects, it probably would even allow to switch to another task for LCD screen, while video playback to AV continues in background Mar 11 16:05:33 Anybody knows about a port of ImageMagick to Maemo? Mar 11 16:05:34 tbh if media player could do that, the entire device should be able to effectively handle two independant outputs Mar 11 16:06:24 well, one rgb framebuffer and one yuv framebuffer... Mar 11 16:06:50 zap, http://maemo.org/packages/view/imagemagick/ Mar 11 16:07:15 good, but I need for maemo4 Mar 11 16:07:52 dss specs are open anyway I think :) Mar 11 16:08:42 nid0: well, kinda. One of the two probably is direct video output from dsp Mar 11 16:08:47 zap, dunno if there's one, but you can compile it from the source, I did that a while ago and works well in diablo Mar 11 16:09:23 nid0: so it's a little err.. difficult to use it for normal fb style rendering Mar 11 16:25:27 * _Lucretia_ assumes it's ok to run the maemo-scratchbox install script with -U to upgrade? Mar 11 16:25:32 <_Lucretia_> it seems to be working Mar 11 16:29:05 I'm a victim of this bug: Mar 11 16:29:07 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7764 Mar 11 16:29:08 Bug 7764: WPA-EAP authentication fails with *any* expired certificate Mar 11 16:29:15 When this will be FIXED?! Mar 11 16:29:26 Like...never? Mar 11 16:29:47 It's a very important bug Mar 11 16:30:00 expired certificate is more of a bug itself Mar 11 16:30:00 Otacon22Uni: in 2046 Mar 11 16:30:03 I can't connect to any wpa-eap tls network Mar 11 16:30:13 no no Mar 11 16:30:16 the bug name is wrong Mar 11 16:30:26 maybe i should open another ticket Mar 11 16:30:32 that bug name is wrong Mar 11 16:30:48 the wifi connection on N900 does not work with ANY wpa-eap tls network. Mar 11 16:31:39 Otacon, I use my N900 at our uni's WPA2/PEAP/MSCHAPv2 -wi-fi Mar 11 16:32:11 Otacon22Uni, totally different bug then. Mar 11 16:32:17 in my uni does not work Mar 11 16:32:20 so is your certificate expired or not? Mar 11 16:32:22 and not only just for me Mar 11 16:32:26 but also for a my firend Mar 11 16:32:30 it is not a network problem Mar 11 16:32:36 Otacon22Uni, is your certificate expired or not? Mar 11 16:32:37 because with laptops it works Mar 11 16:32:41 not expired Mar 11 16:32:48 * achipa scoffs at loosing 25MB root space by just enabling extras-devel and testing Mar 11 16:32:50 Otacon, and you've set the manual username in advanced network properties? Mar 11 16:32:57 then you're obviously not a victom of that bug. full stop. Mar 11 16:33:24 Otacon22Uni, so what *exact* wireless type do you have? Mar 11 16:33:26 yes, i've setted all Mar 11 16:33:34 WPA-EAP TLS Mar 11 16:33:54 wait, i can nopaste the wpa_supplicant file of my laptop. Mar 11 16:34:23 Otacon22Uni, PAP? Mar 11 16:34:37 might be https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1635 Mar 11 16:34:39 Bug 1635: Eduroam (EAP-TTLS+PAP) WiFi auth Mar 11 16:34:56 fixed in the next release. Mar 11 16:36:41 this is the wpa_supplicant conf file in my laptop: Mar 11 16:36:42 http://pastebin.com/kqEqB1US Mar 11 16:37:44 on the N900 i think to have setted all correctly Mar 11 16:37:52 i've copied the .p12 cert file Mar 11 16:38:05 then i've generated from it the .cer Mar 11 16:38:51 and i've setted the connection to the network in wpa-eap mode , TLS, then i've selected the cert file Mar 11 16:40:27 but when i try to connect it says "Autentication failed" Mar 11 16:46:10 Otacon22 you see this thread? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=563867 Mar 11 16:49:11 why? Mar 11 16:49:57 ah, because it's wpa_supplicant n900 info. Thought it might be relevant for you. Mar 11 16:50:08 from N900 :) Mar 11 16:55:53 i want to have it working from the N900 gui, not from wpa_supplicant Mar 11 17:01:04 jebba: do you know if there's a I"CTools package somewhere? Mar 11 17:01:58 I2C even Mar 11 17:07:18 i will come again here later to discuss about wpa eap Mar 11 17:13:08 DocScrutinizer; easy-debian - there are several i2c packages Mar 11 17:13:30 SpeedEvil: thanks Mar 11 17:13:49 any news about neighbour cells? Mar 11 17:14:00 and what about cell broadcast messages? Mar 11 17:14:43 easydebian package work well? Mar 11 17:14:48 SpeedEvil: I tried "debian-etch built for maemo" - fail Mar 11 17:15:53 tybollt: yes. It's a massive chroot - but otherwise fine Mar 11 17:19:51 DocScrutinizer I see this in extras-devel i2c-tiny-usb Mar 11 17:20:38 I don't see a package matching *i2c* in etch Mar 11 17:33:38 jebba: I Mar 11 17:33:54 'i'd need http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/I2CTools Mar 11 17:37:58 ~ping Mar 11 17:37:59 ~pong Mar 11 17:41:45 Please heelp me to push VectorMine in Extras test it and vote for it : http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_non-free_armel/vectormine/1.0.6-2/ Mar 11 17:43:34 these wrist straps seem great to avoid losing the stylus, but it just sucks to order a wrist strap from sweden http://www.triforce.se/ Mar 11 17:44:13 uhsf: Order in bulk Mar 11 17:45:14 uhsf: give me a pic of that thing? :S Mar 11 17:45:40 ~ding Mar 11 17:45:41 dong Mar 11 17:47:54 tybollt: http://shop.triforce.se/ Mar 11 17:48:13 ja Mar 11 17:48:20 googlers images found it for me Mar 11 17:48:26 looks bloody awkward. Mar 11 17:48:33 praps that's why it's so good? Mar 11 17:48:40 i mean http://www.triforce.se/galleries.html Mar 11 17:57:48 what is the proper way to handle incorrect args passed to GObject constructor? ideally, i'd like to report GError and prevent object creation. Mar 11 17:59:01 ooo two of me Mar 11 17:59:06 musta left my work connection on lol Mar 11 18:08:05 * Arif_ disconnects noobmonk3y Mar 11 18:11:04 lol Mar 11 18:11:09 still here, both of me Mar 11 18:11:29 any admins on to boot the other me off? :D Mar 11 18:12:58 ahaaaaaaaa Mar 11 18:13:05 was logged in on my laptop lol!!! Mar 11 18:13:07 (Other one!) Mar 11 18:13:27 hello Mar 11 18:13:30 heya Mar 11 18:40:11 she builds! Mar 11 18:43:02 hi Mar 11 18:44:12 guys i have trouble with wifi GUI on N900 Mar 11 18:44:39 it doesn't authenticate on a WPA enterprise network Mar 11 18:48:17 admiral0: oh, known bug. there's a workaround Mar 11 18:49:26 arachnist: link or it didn't happen XD Mar 11 18:49:46 admiral0: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2051#c26 Mar 11 18:49:47 Bug 2051: Unable to connect to EAP PEAP MSCHAPV2 without certificates Mar 11 18:50:23 admiral0: it works for me (heck, i wrote that comment) Mar 11 18:54:47 arachnist: :D thanks :) Mar 11 18:58:39 Well, that's curious. Mar 11 18:58:50 Hermes gets a BadStatusLine error :P Mar 11 19:02:02 Hi. For my report I would like to measure my programs power consumption. Is there any other possibility than let it run with battery completely charged, till the N810 goes down? Mar 11 19:02:15 OMG, iPhone 4.0 might -- MIGHT -- include multitasking. WOW. Imagine a phone that can do two things at once. Mar 11 19:02:25 ;) Mar 11 19:14:19 ScribbleJ; two different things at the same time? or will it use multitasking ála ms-win3.1? Mar 11 19:16:54 ScribbleJ: ss Mar 11 19:17:26 hi Mar 11 19:17:27 er Mar 11 19:17:43 ScribbleJ: where did you get that info? Mar 11 19:18:23 n/m. found the info Mar 11 19:18:27 I'm trying to understand how bootmenu works, you can't actually boot another kernel, can you ? Mar 11 19:18:44 as I understand you need to flash your new kernel and use that one to boot whatever partition you want to boot Mar 11 19:19:03 GMsoft: that's how i understand it as well. Mar 11 19:19:17 damn that sux :-/ Mar 11 19:42:22 is there another way to boot another kernel ? maybe by configuring nolo or so ? Mar 11 19:42:31 can't find much about that Mar 11 19:42:37 on a n900 I mean Mar 11 19:42:52 anyone know if the HSP/HFP bluetooth stuff is routed through software on the N900 so things like SIP can benefit from those mono bluetooth ear peices? Mar 11 19:51:16 who wants to win 50 grands for "best designed meego app"? :D Mar 11 19:53:53 seriously :) Mar 11 19:59:52 the problem is the definition of best designed ;) Mar 11 20:07:47 Hi! Mar 11 20:15:50 * lupine_85 wonders if he can get his N900 to push GPS coordinates somewhere every hour or so Mar 11 20:16:13 sounds possible Mar 11 20:16:27 stalking ex gf ;) Mar 11 20:16:27 yeah, $some lines of perl/python if nothing else Mar 11 20:16:29 ? Mar 11 20:16:37 hah, no. it's my N900 Mar 11 20:17:11 I like google latitude-y stuff, but I'd rather not let google know my whereabouts Mar 11 20:17:26 so dump it to a private database and frontend it as I please sounds good Mar 11 20:17:36 tank-man: she's stalking him.... Mar 11 20:17:47 wait, he's a geek...like he has a gf ;) Mar 11 20:17:50 * asj- runs Mar 11 20:17:55 :po Mar 11 20:18:01 O2 had a servic like that here about 7 years ago Mar 11 20:18:11 you could add your friends numbers to a list on their site Mar 11 20:18:28 obviously the friend had to accept the addition by replying to a text message or something Mar 11 20:18:28 I work at an ISP and got a support ticket recently which ended "(yeah, I said GF. Cool, eh?)" Mar 11 20:18:38 lupine_85: but don't you know where you are? :) Mar 11 20:18:42 for th cost of a text message O2 gave you a map pin pointing your friend's locations Mar 11 20:18:48 so I popped onto the accounts system, got his address and travelled down with a cluebat Mar 11 20:18:51 "You are here" Mar 11 20:18:53 one of my mate's did that to his girlfriend when she was supposed to be at home sick Mar 11 20:19:04 turned out she was at her ex-boyfriend's house Mar 11 20:19:12 invastion_of_privacy++; Mar 11 20:19:24 probably some degree of illegality there Mar 11 20:19:31 nah Mar 11 20:19:32 computer misuse act, perhaps Mar 11 20:19:35 they accepted it like Mar 11 20:19:55 when you added your friend, O2 sent them a text which they had to reply to with "yes" or something in order for you to be able to track them. Mar 11 20:20:13 ahh Mar 11 20:20:17 lupine_85: I could see it being really on a road trip, send them out once an hour, plot them on google maps for friends Mar 11 20:20:21 she just forgot about it ;) Mar 11 20:20:38 if there's no cell coverage, store it till you get some Mar 11 20:21:00 asj-: well, indeed. i'd probably log to a local sqlite database then replicate that regularly Mar 11 20:21:14 would I expect it to have a serious impact on battery life? Mar 11 20:21:30 a friend of mine tracked a month long trip around europe using a GPS dongle that hung around his neck and daved data which he transferred to his computer all night Mar 11 20:21:57 when he got home he was able to generate a zig-zag line across a map which tracked his every move for that month Mar 11 20:22:55 openstreetmap.org - upload it! Mar 11 20:23:09 lupine_85: with the gps on it has 3-4 hours of battery life, assume 5 mins on each hour....so every 12 hour you use 1 hour of GPS time, so 1/2 your bat/day for the GPS. Probaqbly would not make it through the day without a charge Mar 11 20:23:45 it already has trouble with that ;) Mar 11 20:24:14 Not 5 mins Mar 11 20:24:23 yeah, OSM rocks Mar 11 20:24:29 If you're in a GPS signal area, you get a lock within under 15s Mar 11 20:24:34 so 15s/hour is more like it Mar 11 20:25:11 wonder if I could get location data from the radio - presumably that's available at no extra cost? Mar 11 20:25:16 SpeedEvil: most people aren't though, and 15s is pretty good for a hot lock, this isn't hot. Mar 11 20:25:29 (power cost) Mar 11 20:25:47 that gives accuracy to $some metres Mar 11 20:25:48 lupine_85: you just need to push the cell id to the data server and wait for an answer Mar 11 20:25:50 hundred or so? Mar 11 20:26:02 asj-: it's warm if you're turning it on every hour or so Mar 11 20:26:15 lupine_85: about 5000 where I used to live Mar 11 20:26:42 asj-: 30 - certainly - if not 15 Mar 11 20:26:47 SpeedEvil: ok Mar 11 20:26:48 I guess it depends on how big the area the cell covers Mar 11 20:27:33 rural cell cites can be very large and if you only have one tower you can't get any better info Mar 11 20:28:25 you get an segment of a circle Mar 11 20:28:36 Even rural cells typically are zoned. Mar 11 20:28:44 so you get an octant - say. Mar 11 20:28:54 GPS signal area??? there are areas that don't get GPS signal? Mar 11 20:29:03 And you're somewhere on that octant 3km from the tower - say. Mar 11 20:29:09 dregin: caves, buildings, ... Mar 11 20:29:14 ah Mar 11 20:29:22 more commonly known as "inside" :p Mar 11 20:29:39 lol Mar 11 20:30:41 SpeedEvil: none of the mapping software indicated they used the info if they got it Mar 11 20:31:10 IIRC some bits of the grand canyon you can't see any GPS sats Mar 11 20:31:19 And it's not inside. Mar 11 20:31:38 sux2b in the grand canyon, so. Mar 11 20:31:54 asj-: ? Mar 11 20:32:23 SpeedEvil: nm Mar 11 20:37:22 heh, on 3G the network positioning puts me about 3-5km from my actual location :-) Mar 11 20:38:18 ShadowJK: it's safer that way :) Mar 11 20:38:31 hm? Mar 11 20:38:32 especially when you're on the run Mar 11 20:38:33 Unless it puts yolu at the murder location. Mar 11 20:38:37 lol Mar 11 20:39:18 did konttori appear today, or did the cellmo people kill him for asking about neighbour cells? :) Mar 11 20:39:39 !seen konttori Mar 11 20:40:18 popped in beirflym and then legft Mar 11 20:40:18 maybe they killed the bot too :P Mar 11 20:40:54 SpeedEvil: you need to improve your n900 keyboard typing skills :P Mar 11 20:41:05 Naah. Mar 11 20:41:07 Not n900. Mar 11 20:41:15 This is a full-sized clicky keyboard. Mar 11 20:41:27 But it's under the covers, and the blankets are getting in the way. Mar 11 20:41:33 lol Mar 11 20:48:00 and one handed typing is hard right SpeedEvil? ;) Mar 11 20:49:52 I have no heating other than electric blanket ATM. Mar 11 20:49:56 It's 6C in here. Mar 11 20:50:05 Hence - keyboard is under covers. Mar 11 20:50:36 SpeedEvil: where are you? Mar 11 20:50:40 Anyone know of a decent tutorial to get a simple hello world running in esbox? Mar 11 20:52:55 asj-: scotland. Mar 11 21:01:32 SpeedEvil: ah ok Mar 11 21:03:47 right so i have guests over. showing them a tv-out movie with n900. after 15 minutes screen goes black and i cant get it back Mar 11 21:03:55 no sale :( Mar 11 21:04:21 lol Mar 11 21:04:29 what player? Mar 11 21:04:51 default. withy broken codec pack upgrade Mar 11 21:04:57 hmm Mar 11 21:04:58 battery power Mar 11 21:05:07 ah Mar 11 21:05:21 well be happy it was not a bluescreen or kernel oops :P Mar 11 21:05:59 ~~ Mar 11 21:06:00 ~ is probably the key Mar 11 21:06:14 also ok, they were a little upset by Croenenbeerg's Naked Lunch Mar 11 21:06:34 ~seen konttori Mar 11 21:06:36 konttori <~konttori@Maemo/OS/konttori> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 2h 14m 7s ago, saying: 'now: mass effect time (just finished 1 for the second time, about to start 2 for the second time)'. Mar 11 21:07:09 now i gotta file a bug report eh Mar 11 21:07:57 joke. naked lunch. bug report... Mar 11 21:08:19 hm, what N900 screen protector works best? the Zagg one looks nice, as does Brando's ultra-clear Mar 11 21:08:45 i heard zagg's is sticky Mar 11 21:09:09 or take a pic of the scratches and use it for police ID if it gets stolen Mar 11 21:10:13 i first had a rubbery Durasec HighTec which was pretty bad, protected well but was not comfortable to use Mar 11 21:10:55 pupnik: I noticed today N900 said "charging" the moment I retracted the AV after playback of a 30min movie :-O Mar 11 21:11:17 now i have a virkuti anti-glare which works much better, but the outer thin anti dirt coating starts to disintegrate looks very little speckled by that but is still good useable Mar 11 21:11:18 makes me think it stopped charging during playback Mar 11 21:11:54 maybe it's just the USB port that's halfway detached ;-) Mar 11 21:12:36 no, I definitely haven't changed the usb. Was snuggly settled all the time Mar 11 21:13:17 was it "full" when you started playback? Mar 11 21:13:37 my batt was full Mar 11 21:14:08 ShadowJK: I'd say yes. Was on charger for >16h Mar 11 21:14:34 Oh it probably just canceled the "Full" state then Mar 11 21:15:04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxJTaJ3YJOI kitties! (appently recorded with the n900) Mar 11 21:15:09 never seen (and heard!) it doing that before Mar 11 21:15:19 I've seen it occasionally on n810 Mar 11 21:16:09 It was a positive surprise, my previous nokias would happily drift down to 3.5V while on charger and heavy consumption and still claim "Full" until I disconnected charger :D Mar 11 21:17:20 N900 is a different beast though.. it has an actual charger chip.. Mar 11 21:17:27 sad that's like one litter of kittens Mar 11 21:17:52 well, me away for recovering from first shocking encounter with scratchbox Mar 11 21:19:10 Hope you used the VM, that seems scary enough, I wouldn't want to try install it :P Mar 11 21:19:24 I successfully evaded scratchbox again today Mar 11 21:19:34 compiled a library+app with MADDE instead :P Mar 11 21:26:31 Has anyone run the maemo5hildonwidgets project from esbox? Mar 11 21:29:10 boo! att only supports 2.5G with the n900? Mar 11 21:29:31 triplezero: n900 only supports certain frequencies Mar 11 21:29:35 for 3g Mar 11 21:31:30 .. when quadband is not enough :) Mar 11 21:31:39 * Stskeeps yawns and collapses on the corner of his hotel room couch Mar 11 21:32:21 anyone of you will be at the Chemnitzer Linux Tage (germany) this weekend? Mar 11 21:36:35 ShadowJK: sticky as in sticking quite firmly on the screen? Mar 11 21:36:41 i have that too with boxwave ones Mar 11 21:36:46 doesn't really bother me Mar 11 21:36:51 if the thing works fine Mar 11 21:37:12 or sticky as in resisting your finger nails a bit Mar 11 21:39:07 resisting Mar 11 21:39:13 ok Mar 11 21:39:23 badly? Mar 11 21:39:39 depends on taste i guess too Mar 11 21:46:31 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkSlw9lLp_4 <- is he using water to place it? Mar 11 21:46:56 never thought about doing that like that Mar 11 21:48:12 http://gizmodo.com/5491325/first-peek-at-the-joojoo-tablets-guts <=== Notice...ummm...the fan Mar 11 21:48:31 fail :/ Mar 11 21:48:37 ah, atom Mar 11 21:49:03 * aquatix wants a Notion Ink Adam Mar 11 21:50:41 Zagg thingy comes with a liquid for the application Mar 11 21:50:54 Still hell to apply Mar 11 21:51:01 * RST38h just applied one to Canon G11 Mar 11 21:51:02 yeah, seems to be refillable with water Mar 11 21:51:12 RST38h: thinking about only getting the screen protector Mar 11 21:51:17 And it never seems to apply perfectly =( Mar 11 21:51:22 hm Mar 11 21:53:31 * aquatix wonders how well the screen without protection will put up with finger nails Mar 11 21:54:30 micro scratches Mar 11 21:54:48 you will get a characteristic vertical spot where you scroll web pages (multiple scratches there) Mar 11 21:54:50 aquarius-: finger nails are no problem unless you have sand or other abrasive things Mar 11 21:55:01 I have no visible scratches on my display. Mar 11 21:55:16 + you will definitely get a few huge (but barely noticeable) scratches when playing Angry Birds ;) Mar 11 21:55:39 if you are careful you can operate the device without protector, i'm not so i have a protector :) Mar 11 21:55:53 RST38h: :) Mar 11 21:56:03 cehteh: yeah, same here Mar 11 21:56:08 cehteh: which did you get? Mar 11 21:56:21 scroll up i answered long ago :P Mar 11 21:56:26 ah yes, sorry Mar 11 21:56:28 woo latitude updater daemon appears to be working Mar 11 21:56:47 so far the virkuti is good, but not perfect Mar 11 21:57:03 virkuti anti-glare indeed Mar 11 21:57:20 at least good enough that i will use it as long as possible Mar 11 21:57:31 * Arif_ yawns Mar 11 21:57:55 cehteh: http://www.protectionfilms24.com/article/vikuiti-armr200-screen-protector-nokia-n900-27604.html ? Mar 11 21:58:01 the durasec was bit strange to apply ... lots of bubbled, but after a few days it settled like a 2nd skin Mar 11 21:58:22 but the wrinky rubbery surface was not comfortable Mar 11 21:58:32 yeah, it needs to stay smooth Mar 11 21:58:40 yes exactly that one Mar 11 21:58:53 otherwise you will get multiple taps instead of a slide Mar 11 21:58:58 * ptl installing tuxrace on the N900 Mar 11 21:59:27 tuxrace? Mar 11 21:59:33 is it made of win? Mar 11 21:59:35 tuxracer, presumably Mar 11 21:59:41 and yes it is fun Mar 11 21:59:49 (if you like racing games and penguins) Mar 11 21:59:54 is it in devel/testing? Mar 11 22:00:02 anyone still working on making stellarium useful? Mar 11 22:00:06 no clue. I've only played it on computers :) Mar 11 22:00:12 has too muuch bugs still :/ Mar 11 22:00:47 ShadowJK, cehteh: thanks, i'll think about it a bit further :) Mar 11 22:00:52 more research to do Mar 11 22:00:59 Hydroxide: the port is called tuxrace Mar 11 22:01:20 http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?name=Tuxrace&fldAuto=1316&faq=35 Mar 11 22:01:27 how do you lock the N900's data connection to EDGE only? does it require lots of fiddling around with the system? Mar 11 22:01:38 my wife got a gps at xmas there is a very nice screen protector on it, but i dont know the brand Mar 11 22:01:46 Funnyface: no, you can put "phone" to gsm only Mar 11 22:02:02 it's in the phone settings somewhere Mar 11 22:02:25 gsm/gsm & 3G/3G are the options Mar 11 22:03:05 anyway, i'm off Mar 11 22:03:08 thanks all, hf Mar 11 22:03:10 ok great. because I have an unreliable 3G signal here, and it keeps jumping forth and back between the 2 Mar 11 22:03:16 there is a connection switcher widget or whatever you can select the mode in the menu then Mar 11 22:03:20 thanks for your help :P Mar 11 22:03:28 sure thing Mar 11 22:03:28 yeah thats bad ... stick it to 2g and fine Mar 11 22:03:38 did it here too Mar 11 22:03:44 safes a lot of battery Mar 11 22:04:07 probably depends on the amount of data you are transferring Mar 11 22:04:17 just irc Mar 11 22:04:19 for just IM, edge would be better Mar 11 22:04:26 for large files, UMTS Mar 11 22:04:30 Funnyface: well, 3G (umts etc) is another radio besides your gsm one Mar 11 22:04:47 anyone tried JoikuSpot? Mar 11 22:04:48 so if it's in my pocket and such, gsm is better Mar 11 22:04:58 if i want to race files, i enable 3G :) Mar 11 22:05:11 mhm .. how does skype work over gsm? Mar 11 22:05:13 anyway, ciao :) Mar 11 22:05:38 "network mode" (whatever it'd be called in english) is greyed out, perhaps I have to disconnect the data connection first? :P Mar 11 22:07:12 ok sorted it out Mar 11 22:10:32 mikkov: I am trying tuxracer but I'm stuck in the basic tutorial screen. How do I race? I tried every key on the keyboard, also tried clicking everywhere Mar 11 22:11:22 plaaaaaaaaay, damn game! Mar 11 22:11:34 can't get past tutorial screen :( Mar 11 22:15:06 VDVsx: você fala português? Mar 11 22:16:14 ptl, yes, but this is a English 'only' channel :) pm me if you want to speak in Portuguese Mar 11 22:16:36 VDVsx: just a curiosity, because I've used (and appreciated) the programs you wrote Mar 11 22:17:04 By your name I thought you were italian Mar 11 22:18:41 as we get older we will need bigger screens Mar 11 22:18:54 no joke Mar 11 22:19:00 or smaller eyes Mar 11 22:19:33 I want a 5" screen Mar 11 22:19:53 I want a 22" screen in a 3" device Mar 11 22:20:01 then add one Mar 11 22:20:01 what about a beamer Mar 11 22:20:02 seriusly man Mar 11 22:20:12 projectors!! Mar 11 22:20:23 samsung was releasing one weren't they? Mar 11 22:20:37 look how much bezel there is Mar 11 22:20:40 yeah, not sure whether to be happy or sad Mar 11 22:20:53 arrogant youth Mar 11 22:21:03 :P Mar 11 22:21:14 that'd be an interesting video call Mar 11 22:21:20 * lupine_85 is happy enough with the TV-Out, assuming it works Mar 11 22:21:34 it works here Mar 11 22:21:39 it works here too Mar 11 22:21:45 but for some reason its blurry as hell Mar 11 22:22:29 well, it's kinda blurry too Mar 11 22:22:40 but I assumed that's because it's an old TV set Mar 11 22:22:53 the N95 looked way better Mar 11 22:22:54 (I don't care about TV.. I don't watch TV, ever) Mar 11 22:22:55 ... Mar 11 22:22:59 tv-out is really dark Mar 11 22:23:46 I'll be attempting to do a presentation with it on monday :) Mar 11 22:24:00 what will you be showing? Mar 11 22:24:00 kynky: do you have the correct setting? PAL/NTSC Mar 11 22:24:01 and how :P Mar 11 22:24:09 Funnyface, yep Mar 11 22:24:14 its still dark Mar 11 22:24:26 are you on NTSC then? Mar 11 22:24:42 im in uk, so i used pal with a pal tv Mar 11 22:24:43 NTSC = never the same colour, meaning it'll look different on all TVs :p Mar 11 22:25:45 wait for Symbian^3 Mar 11 22:25:51 with HDMI out Mar 11 22:25:52 :D Mar 11 22:25:58 never Mar 11 22:26:23 maemo6 or meego Mar 11 22:26:50 if it's going to be like moomo 5 then no thanks =} Mar 11 22:27:07 I see no mention of password entry widgets in the hildon reference, hrmph! Mar 11 22:29:50 wait for Symbian^4 Mar 11 22:30:35 * Arif_ throws the Nokia N96 at ptl Mar 11 22:31:55 ah it's probably a regular GTK thing, I am a stupid corndog Mar 11 22:31:56 * ptl catches it, saves for selling it on ebay Mar 11 22:33:23 * Arif_ drools at the N64 emulator on N900 Mar 11 22:37:16 Arif_: link? Mar 11 22:37:29 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47043 Mar 11 22:38:32 nice! Mar 11 22:38:35 pssh Mar 11 22:38:42 master system is good enough for me :) Mar 11 22:38:44 poosh Mar 11 22:38:51 is there a snes emulator? Mar 11 22:38:54 pshaw! Mar 11 22:38:59 I haven't looked at installing any of em yet Mar 11 22:39:28 our languages and computability lecturer was always going on about POOOOSH down automata Mar 11 22:39:35 the lols were many Mar 11 22:41:34 ah, so the performance improvements in mupen64 are due to ari64 stuff Mar 11 22:41:45 my build now reaches 10 fps too :s Mar 11 22:42:45 dregin,drnoksnes Mar 11 22:42:48 works very well Mar 11 22:43:05 hey, what a nice timing. Mar 11 22:43:14 and why hasn't someone made a megadrive emulator! Mar 11 22:43:52 too bad the N900's keyboard isnt' made for gaming Mar 11 22:43:53 there's several around, they don't compile Mar 11 22:44:04 well, the ones I've tried don't Mar 11 22:44:06 Has anyone had luck installing the GNU userland on the N900? Mar 11 22:44:07 embedded asm Mar 11 22:44:15 I'd like my bash and my locate and my [...] :) Mar 11 22:44:20 I'd think picodrive would be easy to port.. Mar 11 22:44:22 I love how everybody on tmo now asks if "someone will 'compile' this for me" Mar 11 22:44:23 jonaskoelker: I've got bash installed Mar 11 22:44:31 then points to a random piece of OpenGL 3.0 game Mar 11 22:44:33 lupine_85: in a debian thing, or... ? Mar 11 22:44:40 it was just a packafge Mar 11 22:44:43 bash 2.05, mind Mar 11 22:44:46 jonaskoelker: there is gnu_* Mar 11 22:44:51 wth... Mar 11 22:44:54 jonaskoelker: find/grep/... in extras Mar 11 22:45:18 neato Mar 11 22:46:09 * lupine_85 runs out of space on three different computers simultaneously Mar 11 22:46:10 bugger Mar 11 22:46:27 ook Mar 11 22:46:41 that'll teach me Mar 11 22:47:30 has anyone maded a geochron for the maemo platform? i know the stock clock on dilblo had a nice map but it lacked the terminator line Mar 11 22:49:24 I really wish there weren't so much conflicting info out there on the 900 Mar 11 22:49:58 welcome to the internets :P Mar 11 22:50:08 the great thing is that you're getting it all Mar 11 22:50:17 and through a bit of research you can come to your own conclusions Mar 11 22:50:36 instead of just being fed "ZOMGZ THIS IS AMAZING" from only one source. Mar 11 22:50:47 if you have a clock you know what time it is. If you have two, you're never quite sure. Mar 11 22:50:50 ;-) Mar 11 22:50:56 I guess I was asking to much to see if there is a simple sound recorder app...failing that, would arecord just work but blah Mar 11 22:51:10 ds3: no, there's a simple one Mar 11 22:51:34 maemo-recorder Mar 11 22:51:41 works pretty well... simple enough, uses gstreamer. Mar 11 22:51:47 wish the people would just say that Mar 11 22:51:52 well Mar 11 22:51:59 I didn't try more than a single hour long recording Mar 11 22:52:27 10-20 minutes is all I am looking for... this is assuming the N900 didn't loose the mic that was on the 8x0 Mar 11 22:52:55 * shamus is loving his n800 mic Mar 11 22:53:55 would I be pushing my luck in expecting maemo-recorder to also do video? Mar 11 22:54:23 if you have a geochron you know exactly when it's day or night in difrent parts of the world at a glance Mar 11 22:54:44 ds3: no, it doesn't do video Mar 11 22:54:55 ds3: but the builtin camera app does Mar 11 22:55:03 ah Mar 11 22:55:05 h264, 800x480 Mar 11 22:55:23 sounds like I will have to scrub all the repos to find what I want to get back up to N800 functionality Mar 11 22:55:24 may lag at times, but otherwise is fine. Mar 11 22:56:43 is there still an application list web page/wiki around for the N900 (or indicatesN900 support)? Mar 11 22:57:52 there is on maemo.org Mar 11 22:58:06 but that only lists really what you see in the application manager Mar 11 22:58:07 is there any particular reason why the rootfs is so small? Mar 11 22:58:22 ... yes? Mar 11 22:58:34 the applications mgr requires one to have the unit on hand which requires the prompt cooperation of some mail carrier Mar 11 22:58:44 :) Mar 11 22:58:47 should have seen that one coming ;) Mar 11 22:59:20 ds3: http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ Mar 11 22:59:35 not sure if that's what you're looking for... has a decent run down on what's available from the main repos Mar 11 23:00:36 sometimes I just want to KILL gnome-panel, damn start menu-freeze-while-loading-all-those-desktop-files Mar 11 23:01:17 thanks Mar 11 23:01:23 I removed all my gnome-panels for a while Mar 11 23:01:31 just used gnome-do for launching stuff Mar 11 23:01:31 dregin: I am just trying to assembly a list of to-installs Mar 11 23:01:37 and screenlets for clock and stuff Mar 11 23:01:44 ds3: good plan :) Mar 11 23:02:22 I'd planned on install openssh then just logging in from my laptop and installing all the apps with apt-get Mar 11 23:02:36 but after installing a few of em I noticed that they weren't appearing in the apps menu Mar 11 23:03:11 does apt-get work well on the N900? on the older stuff it would hang because it is waiting for a button to be pressed/area to be tapped Mar 11 23:03:28 working flawlessly here Mar 11 23:03:34 it's grand for the CLI based stuff Mar 11 23:03:48 but things like wireshark just didn't appear until I went into the apps manager and installed em from there Mar 11 23:04:03 still havent a clue where the flashlight app ended up Mar 11 23:04:37 apt just-works(tm) Mar 11 23:04:51 slowly Mar 11 23:04:58 heh, the whole thing isn't entirely responsive Mar 11 23:05:28 actually, I was wondering how to customise the applications that're listed on the application lists Mar 11 23:05:44 presumably there's a bunch of .desktop files somewhere? Mar 11 23:05:44 javispedro: recorder borks at 2GB filesize limit Mar 11 23:06:05 vfat issue I guess Mar 11 23:06:21 s/vfat/fat32 Mar 11 23:08:16 hmm, probably Mar 11 23:09:31 I haven't touched C in probably over 3 or 4 years, yet I managed to kick out a fairly functional app in under a couple days, that makes me a happy panda Mar 11 23:09:56 Wow! Emotional animal avatars. Mar 11 23:09:57 Oh Mar 11 23:10:02 right, not that. Mar 11 23:10:05 to be fair, C isn't that hard to understand Mar 11 23:10:07 it's just tedious Mar 11 23:10:28 quite true Mar 11 23:10:39 * lupine_85 hugs his ruby Mar 11 23:10:42 that was my first thought, I forgot how tedius it is Mar 11 23:10:49 I struggled to get esbox to compile hello world :'( Mar 11 23:10:53 fancy a dynamic array? :) Mar 11 23:11:02 but it works now Mar 11 23:12:02 lupine_85: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo Mar 11 23:13:42 now my google latitude position is updated every 5 minutes and I don't have to futz around with the browser Mar 11 23:13:52 * lupine_85 stalks Mar 11 23:13:58 lupine_85: or, better http://wiki.maemo.org/Application_Menu Mar 11 23:14:13 DocScrutinizer: thaaaat's it :) Mar 11 23:14:41 it comes with so much crap OOTB... Mar 11 23:14:54 ovi store? hah! Mar 11 23:14:59 ovi maps? HAH! Mar 11 23:15:08 ham uninstall!! Mar 11 23:16:55 DocScrutinizer: isn't that also know as vomiting? :D Mar 11 23:17:33 :-P Mar 11 23:18:44 :-o..°'*x.,.X Mar 11 23:21:47 hmm, no updates in extras nor extras-testing nor extras-devel Mar 11 23:21:49 weeeeeird Mar 11 23:22:01 for a week already Mar 11 23:22:11 nite all, sweet dreams Mar 11 23:23:46 apt sees a lot of updates thou Mar 11 23:23:48 hum hum Mar 11 23:24:08 I guess that depends on the selection of actually installed apps. I got an upfate for flashlight yesterday Mar 11 23:25:02 another one for tuner 2 days ago Mar 11 23:25:05 how do you access that app? Mar 11 23:25:16 flashlight, that is... I can't see it in my apps menu Mar 11 23:26:25 it's only showing in 'drop-down' menu on screen if your camera shutter is open Mar 11 23:27:00 ah sweet Mar 11 23:27:03 thresh: thanks Mar 11 23:27:09 yes Mar 11 23:27:13 :-S Mar 11 23:27:14 yeah, when i discovered that i waz amazed :-) Mar 11 23:27:15 I knew it only appeared when the camera sutter was open alright Mar 11 23:27:17 just not where exactly Mar 11 23:27:23 was Mar 11 23:27:48 appears Mar 11 23:28:47 I#d love to swap cam app by a menu to adjust flashlight brightness, select still cam or video cam, to pop up when slider opens Mar 11 23:28:57 i was looking at gnome-do today, is it good? Mar 11 23:29:29 cause of gnome do and docky split news Mar 11 23:29:32 alas it's seemingly impossible to tweak cam app "daemon" in such a way to allow that Mar 11 23:30:16 ~lart mce Mar 11 23:30:16 * infobot pushes the wall down onto mce whilst whistling innocently Mar 11 23:30:59 uhsf: I use it all the time. Mar 11 23:31:03 It's dock works very well Mar 11 23:31:13 plently of plugins for it too Mar 11 23:31:21 not that I use em much Mar 11 23:42:22 Where can I graab the source code for sgt-puzzles onto my laptop? Do I apt-get source and then relocate? Is there a place on the web (package homepage)? Mar 11 23:43:35 want to fix some? Mar 11 23:43:53 normally apt-get source Mar 11 23:44:07 otherwise search talk.maemo.org Mar 11 23:45:20 pupnik: did you manage to run cpas' mupen64 build? Mar 11 23:46:13 no Mar 11 23:46:26 oh Mar 11 23:46:34 n64 has too many controller buttons for my brain Mar 11 23:46:42 this town needs an after-midnight-snack-blowjob-service Mar 11 23:47:15 how is mupen64 nowdays? is it usable yet? Mar 11 23:47:24 i'm getting around 11.4 fps without sound, 9.0 fps with sound in the zelda intro, so no. Mar 11 23:47:44 but this is my build... Mar 11 23:48:00 (aka it sucks, i dumped most of the cflags for -o2) Mar 11 23:48:29 and polygons are getting clipped, like if znear was set too low... :P Mar 11 23:49:01 i got hints about where it is going Mar 11 23:50:07 but honestly. lets stick to things that can work with the n900 hardware Mar 11 23:50:35 yeah... Mar 11 23:50:42 either way, the framerate has basically doubled since my last test. Mar 11 23:50:49 さてと・・ Mar 11 23:50:53 which was in early december iirc. Mar 11 23:51:02 ...and this would be the wrong channel for that Mar 11 23:51:07 lol Mar 11 23:56:12 pupnik: ah, ran it (by replacing the binary on top of my build dir =) ). runs, a bit slower than mine but without the polygon clipping effect :P Mar 11 23:57:33 that font renders beautifully on n900 xterm Lumpio- ! Mar 11 23:58:00 I know Mar 11 23:58:18 The font that comes with N900 does have some problems though Mar 11 23:58:30 It sometimes tends to show Chinese characters for Japanese text Mar 11 23:58:35 It's the same one that comes by default with Ubuntu etc Mar 11 23:58:51 Probably something like the only free font with a decent set of east asian characters or something >_> Mar 12 00:00:16 javispedro: personally i only have psx memories and cds Mar 12 00:00:52 pupnik: hehe, np. I don't have psx memories at all so I understand :) Mar 12 00:02:40 atari 2600 for me man. intellivision. commodore pet. apple ii Mar 12 00:03:36 * noobmonk3y waves Mar 12 00:15:41 why is it I am not convinced vncviewer is available for the N900 - http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/network/ Mar 12 00:17:23 ? Mar 12 00:17:29 got it working on mine Mar 12 00:17:43 take a look at the picture Mar 12 00:17:49 lol Mar 12 00:17:54 yeah twas never updated lol Mar 12 00:19:12 I wonder... is there a way to get the builtin web browser to use a socks proxy? Mar 12 00:20:07 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38726&highlight=microb+socks Mar 12 00:20:14 dont think it is but check that thread :D Mar 12 00:31:16 ss. Mar 12 00:31:29 good evening Mar 12 01:38:46 is there a way to compact the talk.maemo.org pages? each post is taking up way too much room Mar 12 01:49:01 hi all Mar 12 01:50:08 ds3: User stylesheets Mar 12 01:52:43 what is this package "ansela"? Mar 12 02:16:38 Is there a way to ssh into an n900 as the user "user"? Mar 12 02:16:58 yes Mar 12 02:17:10 SpeedEvil: What is the password? Mar 12 02:17:17 you need to at least setup ~/.ssh/authorised_keys and stuff Mar 12 02:17:20 or set a password Mar 12 02:17:39 SpeedEvil: So, by default, there is no password for the user user? Mar 12 02:17:58 most likely Mar 12 02:18:05 What are the implications of setting a password for the user "user"? Mar 12 02:18:40 Do any of the packages on that machine depend on the user "user" being passwordless? Mar 12 02:19:02 everything works after I did it Mar 12 02:19:13 i have a n800 and boot up is normal with a passwrd Mar 12 02:19:30 Hmm. That's good to know. Mar 12 02:23:22 SpeedEvil: authorized_keys Mar 12 02:46:16 http://imggmi.info/DSC-1268361587.jpg/ do my tits look big? Mar 12 02:54:36 i just learned about kde plasma netbook interface, it seems to be what i need for my micropc, have you tried it? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 12 02:59:57 2010