**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 14 02:59:56 2010 Mar 14 06:48:50 At least the HW on C6 looks decent. Mar 14 07:04:13 And taking in account that it'll probably be a pretty cheap phone, I'd say it has the possibility of becoming the next 5800. Mar 14 07:04:25 (best sold nokian smartphone) Mar 14 10:02:31 panucci playing back mp3s with 40-50 pct cpu use makes pupnik sad, and battery dead Mar 14 10:02:55 heh Mar 14 10:04:10 i need to make gpodder launch my low-cpu mp3 player Mar 14 10:12:14 hm Mar 14 10:12:29 can i start microb from xterm somehow? Mar 14 10:12:59 it happily crashes much, and i think xterm could give a hint Mar 14 10:13:19 pupnik_: how low cpu? Mar 14 10:19:09 6 at 250 Mar 14 10:19:19 on 64k mono lectures Mar 14 10:19:27 12 total Mar 14 10:20:48 getting high volume is the tricky part Mar 14 10:21:04 need to open device with PA at desired volume Mar 14 10:21:22 thenm suspend PA and hit the alsa device directly Mar 14 10:26:03 browserd also sits there chewing 13 pct of cpu while backgrounded Mar 14 10:30:00 this is what? Mar 14 10:30:06 you can kill browserd Mar 14 10:30:16 if you edit the dsme launcher Mar 14 10:30:24 well - you can kill it without - but ... Mar 14 10:31:39 plane jane mplayer SpeedEvil Mar 14 10:32:00 havent even compiled some of the efficient arm optimized players Mar 14 10:33:42 /home/opt/maemo/usr/share/gpodder/ui/maemo ... by the horned one's hoof i can not understand that at ALL Mar 14 10:34:56 where is the launch string for audio player????!!! Mar 14 10:36:45 ah Mar 14 11:00:45 is tuxrace optified? Mar 14 11:01:21 i don't want it to eat 70MB of my root partition, and it's 30MB free atm Mar 14 11:11:54 HAM is a really poor source of information. No changelog, no full list of FQN files installed with size... Mar 14 11:15:38 DocScrutinizer: HAM is the application manager, right? Mar 14 11:16:22 yep Mar 14 11:16:37 it's also very slow Mar 14 11:17:29 I guess that's the underlaying apt-get update Mar 14 11:18:35 not only that. when you go to "uninstall" it also takes ages. Mar 14 11:18:55 and of course the loading of hundereds of icons Mar 14 11:19:17 do a top while it updates Mar 14 11:19:21 or after installing one app, it freezes like 5 seconds before reloading the list and stuff Mar 14 11:19:47 i forgot the nam e of the rescanning process Mar 14 11:19:49 that's writeback of the new apt database Mar 14 11:20:58 or reread of that one Mar 14 11:21:50 Is there any way tot get the headswt button skipping tracks? Mar 14 11:21:55 on the stock player Mar 14 11:22:58 not afaik Mar 14 11:23:19 SpeedEvil: you need micbias on headset to detect hold button Mar 14 11:23:50 i havent seen any projects to speed up apt. Mar 14 11:24:16 hashes, trees? ... something must be possible... Mar 14 11:25:20 pupnik_: probably they did all they could reasonably think of in apt to speed it up, already Mar 14 11:26:03 i did a little snnuffling, and it is too complicated for me Mar 14 11:28:31 hmm - yeah Mar 14 11:28:34 [75910.001190] headphone (GPIO 177) is now connected Mar 14 11:28:34 [75911.074707] input: headset button as /class/input/input5 Mar 14 11:28:40 but doesn't do much Mar 14 11:28:56 SpeedEvil: start recorder Mar 14 11:31:01 ah Mar 14 11:31:13 SpeedEvil: hs-buuton pressed means GND level at some GPIO. This can also be caused by missing micbias. We seen bogus headset button evens on FR for every state chane of alsastates that en/dis-abled micbias Mar 14 11:31:56 yeah Mar 14 11:34:41 probably they wrere reluctant to spend the extra 2mA for micbias, just to detect the holdbutton Mar 14 11:36:01 SpeedEvil: anyway please keep me updated on your results, so I can scratchit form my todo list ;-) Mar 14 11:36:02 fair enough Mar 14 11:36:09 which results? Mar 14 11:36:34 thought you're going to meddle with it Mar 14 11:37:09 ah - will do Mar 14 11:37:15 probably am Mar 14 11:37:33 like "enable micbias in amixer", "start recorder and see which events clas/input/5 shows on buttonpress", etc Mar 14 11:37:48 can i install maemo on every arm device? Mar 14 11:38:01 no Mar 14 11:38:29 ;_; Mar 14 11:39:13 long story is more complicated and somewhat different. Mar 14 11:39:20 wait for meego Mar 14 11:39:20 :P Mar 14 11:39:24 but I'm not the one to tell Mar 14 11:39:29 hmmm yeah Mar 14 11:39:33 Stskeeps is Mar 14 11:39:43 and meego will definitely run on the n900? ^^ Mar 14 11:40:17 summel: it's an announced reference device for it, so yes Mar 14 11:40:23 yay Mar 14 11:50:23 * Stskeeps ponders if he should finally step up and buy a soldering kit Mar 14 11:50:35 step up? Mar 14 11:50:46 or move up Mar 14 11:50:48 i thought that was a prerequisite before getting involved in linux Mar 14 11:51:01 no, i've almost exclusively done sw Mar 14 11:51:02 like samurais have swords, we have soldering irons Mar 14 11:51:29 virtualised linux development :p Mar 14 11:51:46 so, yes get yourself one Mar 14 11:51:54 and a solder sucker too Mar 14 11:51:55 mhh, I'm trying to set the IM presence through dbus using an example from jebba's page, but it doesn't seem to work: dbus-send --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.Telepathy.MissionControl /org/freedesktop/Telepathy/MissionControl org.freedesktop.Telepathy.MissionControl.SetPresence uint32:2 string:"I'm here" ------> Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.Telepathy.MissionControl ... Mar 14 11:52:01 ... was not provided by any .service files Mar 14 11:52:03 who? Mar 14 11:52:28 Shapeshifter, that killed my client :S Mar 14 11:52:51 lcuk: what killed what client? ^^ Mar 14 11:52:59 ur uberpaste Mar 14 11:53:05 i had blank lines Mar 14 11:53:13 blank lines? I don't have any. Mar 14 11:53:18 it's not a huge paste even. Mar 14 11:53:36 Stskeeps: wtf are you going to slder? o.O :-) Mar 14 11:53:37 * Shapeshifter is using irssi. Mar 14 11:53:51 DocScrutinizer: putting my freerunner usb plug back in place Mar 14 11:53:57 aaah Mar 14 11:54:10 right now it's well, free floating :P Mar 14 11:55:16 Stskeeps: I'd recommend you find a cellphone repair&rework shop Mar 14 11:55:41 or befriend an electronics engineer Mar 14 11:55:42 Stskeeps: they're more experienced in SMT soldering ;-) Mar 14 11:56:08 hell, probably even I did Mar 14 11:56:25 rather than burn tip of my nose Mar 14 11:56:36 wazd: How do you create themes for N8x0? Thru TM or with the Autobuilder medhod? Where can I find the OS2008 template? I don't own a N8x0, but my friend does, so I was thinking about porting a few of my themes. Mar 14 11:57:28 DocScrutinizer: i'm pondering if there's other ways of reviving it, but the usb plug not working is a bit of a killer :P Mar 14 11:57:42 yep Mar 14 11:57:51 was going to put it in our car as it has decent gps, but *shrug* Mar 14 11:58:46 Stskeeps: well USB receptacle resoldering is one of the more easy exercises Mar 14 11:59:11 Stskeeps: compared to e.g. resoldering QFP :-P Mar 14 11:59:31 hehe :P Mar 14 11:59:57 * Stskeeps wonders if there's any hackable gps's Mar 14 12:00:03 still mere impossible if you're not incredibly gifted or have long years of experience Mar 14 12:02:00 efine hackable. Mar 14 12:02:02 I'm like soldering for 40 years now, and I'd happily leave the job to somebody else. So decide on yourself Mar 14 12:02:29 probably will end up throwing out my FR eventually, depending on cost :P Mar 14 12:03:19 bring it to a repair shop, wave with a 10bucks bill Mar 14 12:03:21 ebay! Mar 14 12:04:25 think i'll probably end up donating it to someone since i got it for free Mar 14 12:04:39 Stskeeps: I'd recommend you remove main PCB from case and bring the bare PCBA to shop - screen protected by a paper scotchtaped over it Mar 14 12:05:27 After finding a shop that does actual component level repairs. Mar 14 12:05:34 you probably can wait for the fix Mar 14 12:05:34 They are not so common in many countries Mar 14 12:05:37 well, in poland it shouldn't be impossible Mar 14 12:05:49 no Mar 14 12:06:39 here in Germany a lot of those little shops mostly run by Turkish offer LED replacement by some nicer color new smd LEDs Mar 14 12:06:54 they for sure can do a USB jack soldering as well Mar 14 12:07:11 it's impossible to get a good turkish/pakistani pizza here, so i doubt the LED guys are here too :/ Mar 14 12:07:17 joppu: just download older TM Mar 14 12:07:24 joppu: before 1.2.7 Mar 14 12:08:11 * DocScrutinizer doubts there's any place in the world to get / any such thing like 'good turkish pizza' Mar 14 12:08:36 It's like regular pizza with more dates. Mar 14 12:08:51 DocScrutinizer: they do them pretty well in .dk compared to polish ones. Mar 14 12:11:03 http://smcv.pseudorandom.co.uk/2009/05/dbusgproxy-300.png ^^ Mar 14 12:13:48 * Shapeshifter gets the feeling that telepathy in maemo5 is somewhat crippled Mar 14 12:16:11 * DocScrutinizer wouldn't be surprised to finf this a correct asumption Mar 14 12:22:03 GAN900: ping Mar 14 12:26:04 Hi Mar 14 12:55:33 hmm joikuspot drains loads of power.. Mar 14 12:56:06 I think it is the software itself, not the radio and wifi adapter Mar 14 12:56:31 well, there's no PSM so that probably doesn't help either? Mar 14 12:57:20 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=566743 - Maemo, 5 proud years of making you able to shoot yourself in the foot Mar 14 12:57:28 Funnyface: I think the most power is drained to send beacon frames. the wifi can't go into power saving state Mar 14 12:58:48 if you advocate removing that power Stskeeps, go to iphone Mar 14 12:58:50 ok. I also notice that it's heating up very quickly :p Mar 14 12:58:57 pupnik_: no, it was just funny Mar 14 12:59:04 ah :) Mar 14 13:00:26 Funnyface: That's the bacon frames, they need heat to get crusty. Mar 14 13:00:44 yummy Mar 14 13:01:04 :) Mar 14 13:11:23 reps are down or is it only my akamai? Mar 14 13:14:30 ping Mar 14 13:16:25 . Mar 14 13:16:58 I did something good :-) ... but I need support... a.k.a. review... Mar 14 13:17:05 I manages to save and restore the desktop Mar 14 13:17:23 meaning that it is possible to have multiple "desktops", with different apps, bookmarks and widgets Mar 14 13:17:38 nicer Mar 14 13:17:56 But I'm afraid to test it in N900.. seems to work in SDK but repos are down and I cannot add complex widgets to test it. Mar 14 13:18:03 Only the RSS reader is isntalled Mar 14 13:18:54 ok testing Mar 14 13:18:59 testing? Mar 14 13:19:51 repo Mar 14 13:20:05 waiting Mar 14 13:20:06 I'm not getting you Mar 14 13:20:25 You mean I should send it to -devel ? Mar 14 13:20:30 extras-devel Mar 14 13:20:39 It is a simple shell script. Mar 14 13:20:42 (for now) Mar 14 13:20:50 he means hes testing the repos for you :) Mar 14 13:20:51 waiting Mar 14 13:20:57 oh :) Mar 14 13:21:14 yes... waiting and then "timeout" Mar 14 13:24:27 hello Mar 14 13:25:07 aborted. something is not responding here Mar 14 13:25:21 * V13 hypes Mar 14 13:25:27 could it be PR1.2 preparation? :-) Mar 14 13:25:51 * satmd steals the hype and noms it :p Mar 14 13:26:01 noms == ? Mar 14 13:26:04 delicious Mar 14 13:26:07 eat Mar 14 13:26:11 oh :) Mar 14 13:26:17 oh rss reader, there's a thought .. is there one with both a desktop and n900 app that can sync content between both? Mar 14 13:26:41 you mean an rss reader ? Mar 14 13:28:43 be handy if I could mark something read on the desktop and not have to do the same on the n900 Mar 14 13:31:26 i suggest google's rss :-) Mar 14 13:31:48 web based? Mar 14 13:31:52 yes Mar 14 13:32:36 meh, that'd be fine on the n900 but an actual app for my desktop would be nice .. lets me know when there's new stuff etc Mar 14 13:36:26 Good day guys and gals Mar 14 13:37:05 Who was the person I was talking about a server last night? I have a demented old brain... lol Mar 14 13:38:42 V13: i have tested this to have multiple "desktops" with different apps, bookmarks and widgets and it sure does work on the N900 flawlessly Mar 14 13:39:12 PR 1.2 preparation? Mar 14 13:39:52 DrGhow: how did you test it ? Mar 14 13:40:14 drgrow: regarding the server, the problem is that you're using a client without history :-) Mar 14 13:40:20 haltdef: if you need a good rss reader which is an actual app I can look for the name of one I keep using on my linux computer Mar 14 13:40:46 V13: test to keep several apps, bookmarks and widgets running at different multiple desktops you mean? Mar 14 13:40:55 google reader looks quite nice actually Mar 14 13:41:02 V13: i remember it was summel.de Mar 14 13:41:24 haltdef: i wouldn't touch anything close to google on a linux computer or anything else Mar 14 13:41:30 drgrow: (a) yes and (b) perhaps it was the user "summel" then :-) Mar 14 13:41:34 i have a homophobic trauma stress of google :D Mar 14 13:41:42 you have issues :P Mar 14 13:42:10 summel: hi there, how are you doing today? :) i thought to ask you a few things about the server. Mar 14 13:45:23 V13: thanks, it is summel :). so yes, i tested it by keeping for ex. Pidgin, Web browser, irssi on one desktop. The second desktop has Phone, Conversations, Advanced Call Log, my fiancee as a favorite and Contacts. The third desktop actually has File Manager, Program Control Panel, X Terminal and 2 other shortcuts. I tested also to keep the Foreca Weather widget on one of them and a few bookmarks as well. So it seems I can keep 3 nice fully f Mar 14 13:45:42 nonono Mar 14 13:45:44 i didn't mean that. Mar 14 13:45:46 haltdef: ah, yes I have issues thank you sir :P one sec and i will check the name of the rss reader. Mar 14 13:45:50 i meant, change all 4 desktops Mar 14 13:45:52 V13: then WTF did you mean? :D Mar 14 13:46:02 V13: change in what way exactly? Mar 14 13:46:11 imaging a different set of widgets Mar 14 13:46:19 well.. that's what i'm working on Mar 14 13:46:27 save and restore all applets bookmarks and shortcuts. Mar 14 13:46:30 V13: ok. so different set of widgets. we are talking about more complex+ Mar 14 13:46:40 oh my current reader can sync with google reader Mar 14 13:46:41 perfect Mar 14 13:46:53 yes.. so that it is possible to have something like "activities" for kde Mar 14 13:47:10 a "work" activity, a "empty" activity, etc... Mar 14 13:47:15 V13: you mean sort of running *two* different type of "desktops" without needing to switch? Like having KDE running and then afterwards Fluxbox?' Mar 14 13:47:24 no Mar 14 13:47:32 first of all i'm talking about n900 not the pc Mar 14 13:47:41 V13: yeah I know. that was just an example. Mar 14 13:47:42 second,.. you have 4 desktops there. right ? Mar 14 13:47:52 V13: yeah i have 4 desktops, i just use 3 though. Mar 14 13:47:54 with widgets, shortcuts and bookmarks on them Mar 14 13:47:57 yes Mar 14 13:48:08 imagine then running "switch work" Mar 14 13:48:16 ok Mar 14 13:48:23 and all of them disappear... and put other widgets and shortcuts there. Mar 14 13:48:29 then run "switch home" Mar 14 13:48:37 and return to the old one Mar 14 13:48:38 What's a good resolution to scale my movies to if I want to watch them on the maemo? Mar 14 13:48:43 then "switch work" and switch to the new one.. Mar 14 13:48:49 211x127? Mar 14 13:48:54 wizzup: 800x480 is the resolution of n900 Mar 14 13:48:56 ah yes, sort of a multitasking feature but with desktops involved, correct? Mar 14 13:49:01 V13: ok, thx Mar 14 13:49:05 Wizzup: what type of movies are you talking about+ Mar 14 13:49:12 not exactly multitaksing. it's save and restore... other widgets will not keep running Mar 14 13:49:13 eh,monty python, that sort of stuff Mar 14 13:49:16 Wizzup: DVD rips around 700 - 1,4 GB? Mar 14 13:49:33 well anything really - normal dvd rips don't play too well Mar 14 13:49:35 V13: ok, on a computer like it restarts the Linux X system? Mar 14 13:49:43 no restart needed. Mar 14 13:49:54 everything disappears and other things appear. Mar 14 13:50:00 V13: yeah, no restart needed but sort of doing on a linux based pc ctrl+alt+backspace Mar 14 13:50:01 i'm talking about desktop not the apps that are running Mar 14 13:50:11 no.. the running apps will not be affected. Mar 14 13:50:16 exchange settings files, kill hildon-desktop Mar 14 13:50:17 do you know kde's activities ? Mar 14 13:50:21 that should kind of work Mar 14 13:50:29 yeah i know what you mean. i am just trying to imagine it out the perspective of a pc and then the n900 Mar 14 13:50:36 valdyn: it's not that simple... and it doesn't need restart of hildon-desktop Mar 14 13:50:57 WTF is the hildon-desktop? :D it is a new desktop for the N900 i can get from the repos? Mar 14 13:51:01 V13: oh it exists already? Mar 14 13:51:19 DrGrov: thats the program that creates the desktop with the widgets and shortcuts on it afaik Mar 14 13:51:19 Wizzup: it sure plays thoug a normal dvdrip. you are familiar with Linux and working from a terminal? Mar 14 13:51:22 valdyn? which thing ? the script i'm writting ? Mar 14 13:51:30 V13: i see Mar 14 13:51:49 valdyn: ok, just thought it would be something from the repos that switches the looks & feel to the default desktops. Mar 14 13:52:13 valdyn: what is that desktop thingie in the repos that "sort of" affect the default desktop? Mar 14 13:52:56 DrGrov: Aye, I am Mar 14 13:53:30 just not too familiar with movie encoding and such Mar 14 13:53:51 Wizzup: did you read the wiki stuff about it? Mar 14 13:54:06 Wizzup: ok, i am thinking now whether mplayer from a command-line is a better choice than the default movie player shipped with the n900 Mar 14 13:54:07 * Wizzup did not search for one... :-( Mar 14 13:54:16 I have mplayer installed at the phone Mar 14 13:54:29 works ok with -framedrop with some movies Mar 14 13:54:58 Wizzup: ok, what size of movies are you talking about and what resolution approximately? how many pixels? Mar 14 13:55:00 valdyn: Ah, looks good Mar 14 13:55:03 Mplayer plays more formats, but the built-in player has access to the dsp codecs which will make it faster for xvid/mpeg4 and h264 baseline Mar 14 13:55:23 :q Mar 14 13:55:27 whops Mar 14 13:55:28 DrGrov: Ehm, I did not have specific ones in mind. Was wondering really Mar 14 13:55:46 ShadowJK: I see, so rather h264 than theora Mar 14 13:55:50 Wizzup: using the proper codecs it should play anything <= native resolution perfectly Mar 14 13:55:52 ShadowJK: true, i had a bit of issues with the n900 promotional video when playing it through mplayer with the kmplayer frontend Mar 14 13:56:01 yes Mar 14 13:56:29 i am testing a episode of House now soon. it was around 620 something times 352 pixels Mar 14 13:56:30 valdyn: Alright, thanks a lot guys Mar 14 13:56:36 If you're encoding for n900, h264 baseline at up to 800x480 is fine for nuilt-in player Mar 14 13:56:36 Wizzup: you are welcome. Mar 14 13:56:46 built-in* Mar 14 13:57:31 Wizzup: if you are back here some time later i can give a bit of feedback how it works. i am thinking about testing the same thing . Mar 14 13:57:36 but it isn't more hardware accelerated than theora I presume? Mar 14 13:57:39 ok Mar 14 13:57:58 h264 main and h264 high profile don't play with built-in player, and with MPlayer the limit is somewhere below 640x480... maybe at 512x384, not sure Mar 14 13:58:00 Wizzup: i dont think theora is accelerated at all Mar 14 13:58:15 theora is software only Mar 14 13:58:18 but is h264? Mar 14 13:58:21 I see.. Mar 14 13:58:27 ok,h264 it is then Mar 14 13:58:28 ShadowJK: I've tested mplayer and it works when using -vo x11 even for higher resolutions... it seems to be a problem of the xv Mar 14 13:58:33 Let's hope google throws away the patents ;-) Mar 14 13:58:38 Wizzup: baseline is, h264 has different "levels", only baseline is accelerated Mar 14 13:58:48 ok Mar 14 13:58:49 ShadowJK: It seems that xv has rescaling problem. Mar 14 13:59:09 the WiFi is a battery drainer like nothing I've seen Mar 14 13:59:14 ShadowJK: It also works with software rescaling but it is toooooo slooooooooooow Mar 14 13:59:28 v13: you mean higher res than 800x480? Mar 14 13:59:31 yes Mar 14 13:59:31 downloaded approximately 350 MB today with the maximum 10 Mbit speed the N900 can handle and damn it was darining my battery Mar 14 13:59:48 right Mar 14 13:59:50 DrGrov: 3g would be worse Mar 14 13:59:56 valdyn: yeah, i can imagine that LOL Mar 14 14:00:21 valdyn: it was a mere test to see whether it is possible. it was but not with around 30-40% battery left. Mar 14 14:01:07 valdyn: the maximum I will keep getting with 3G or WiFi is around maybe 5-50 MB and occasionally 200 MB maximums. Mar 14 14:01:07 My N900 does more than 10MBit on wlan :) Mar 14 14:01:53 ShadowJK: it does? it should do that for me as well. i didn't check with any data thingie but I have a downstream of around 20000 kB /s. So it jumps between 2-2,2 MB / sec Mar 14 14:02:06 DrGrov: that is 54mbit Mar 14 14:02:15 valdyn: oh it is ? then no problems :) Mar 14 14:02:26 is it the 3G that is limited to 10 Mbit? Mar 14 14:02:40 DrGrov: theres just a huge overhead at that bitrate so you dont get near actual 54mbit Mar 14 14:02:53 The hsdpa modem supports up to 10MBit/s Mar 14 14:03:37 yeah 54Mbit wlan is something like 27Mbit/s of actual payload data :) Mar 14 14:03:39 valdyn: yeah, true. it is my router that has that approximately 2 MB / sec downstream. so i get that 2-2,2 MB on a pc as well Mar 14 14:04:15 but I can't complain lol. if i get 2-2,2 MB / sec on the N900 on my home WiFi it is ok Mar 14 14:04:41 perhaps' you're having noise from other APs.... Mar 14 14:04:45 try wifieye :-) Mar 14 14:05:34 V13: i used the wifieye actually Mar 14 14:05:59 it told my connection strength was around 60% last night but today i didn't check. the first test I did it was at 80% two nights ago. Mar 14 14:06:14 well.. that percentage is somehow bullshit... Mar 14 14:06:20 yeah it is . Mar 14 14:06:22 it's as good as the chip says... Mar 14 14:06:33 80& with 70% may have big difference or not at all Mar 14 14:06:42 i just opened my router on the webbrowser and it is that 2 MB / sec downstream Mar 14 14:06:49 it all depends on the hardware... Mar 14 14:07:00 well.. then 60% is good measurement Mar 14 14:07:03 yeah, it is bullshit Mar 14 14:07:18 i got same speeds all the time even with 60% so 60% is the measuring stick then it seems. Mar 14 14:07:24 below 60% makes it lag like shit Mar 14 14:07:41 well.. i'm working with 40% at some points and it works well.. Mar 14 14:07:50 ok Mar 14 14:07:56 i've also found that keeping the device reduces the signal strength (!) Mar 14 14:08:00 not always, but some times.. Mar 14 14:08:06 it dropped two nights ago when i used wifieye to 40-45% and then back to 60% and even 80-85% Mar 14 14:08:16 keeping the device in the hand you mean? Mar 14 14:08:27 it should not have that variations, unless there is noise. Mar 14 14:08:37 yes. Mar 14 14:08:45 i just don't trust the percentage that wifieye tells me Mar 14 14:08:50 keep it with your hand the way to have the hand between the device and the AP. Mar 14 14:08:58 i trust what my router settings in real time tell me through the webbrowser Mar 14 14:09:05 yeah, i keep like that . Mar 14 14:09:06 drgrov it's the percentage that kernel reports. it can't be any more accurate than this Mar 14 14:09:16 V13: you sure? Mar 14 14:09:19 yes Mar 14 14:09:29 ok, i trust you :) Mar 14 14:09:40 but it is still as good as the kernel is.. Mar 14 14:09:41 be back later, gotta watch Juventus - Siena from Serie A football ;) Mar 14 14:09:56 ttyl V13 :) Mar 14 14:10:09 and i've heard that wifi drivers report quality in a kind of mysterious, stochastic way. Mar 14 14:10:18 that's not the same among all drivers. Mar 14 14:10:41 i'd a case where an asus tablet reported 40% signal max... but it worked like 100% Mar 14 14:11:01 while at the same time n800 reported 4/5 Mar 14 14:50:26 hi. I want to install the maemo5 sdk but got problems with the internet connection, so after the installer unpacked the rootstrap I manually executed apt-get update.. and it worked.. after that I wanted to install the metapackage but get this: http://pastebin.com/KmJn3jtR Mar 14 14:50:32 any solutions? Mar 14 14:58:49 installing the maemo4 sdk does not work, too.. Mar 14 14:58:50 http://pastebin.com/dfHfscxm Mar 14 14:58:53 thopiekar: prepend "fakeroot" Mar 14 14:59:06 "fakeroot apt-get install ..." Mar 14 14:59:55 V13: for which problem? Mar 14 15:00:05 with maemo5 sdk? Mar 14 15:00:11 the http://pastebin.com/KmJn3jtR Mar 14 15:00:14 k Mar 14 15:00:18 for networking i'm too using a hack... Mar 14 15:00:37 but why do I have to use fakeroot? Mar 14 15:01:06 echo "nameserver your.name.server.ip" > /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf as root from the SDK (not in scratchbox) Mar 14 15:01:19 because security checks fail. Mar 14 15:01:20 the fakeroot tip works, thanks V13 Mar 14 15:01:22 because you're not root Mar 14 15:01:32 yw Mar 14 15:01:38 bash: af-sb-init.sh: command not found Mar 14 15:02:13 dunno about that... Mar 14 15:02:25 should work within the scratchbox (/scratchbox/login) Mar 14 15:03:49 thing is that I have installed the metapackage, that is also installed via install script but the executable is not available.. Mar 14 15:04:27 is osso-af-sb-startup installed? Mar 14 15:05:02 moment Mar 14 15:05:25 osso-af-sb-startup: Depends: hildon-initscripts but it is not going to be installed Mar 14 15:06:16 the reason is that: theme-config has no installation candidate Mar 14 15:06:33 do I have missing apt repositories? Mar 14 15:06:35 i suggest you give sdk another try Mar 14 15:06:39 dunno Mar 14 15:06:49 repositories are down for me... perhaps it's for you too Mar 14 15:06:50 the install script? Mar 14 15:07:17 V13: yes that could be the reason why it doesn'T work.. Mar 14 15:07:32 what about the maemo4 sdk installation? Mar 14 15:07:39 don't know Mar 14 15:08:15 thanks anyway. Mar 14 15:08:53 * thopiekar hopes that it will be fixed soon because he want to prepare some new plugins for canola.. Mar 14 15:09:32 mm Mar 14 15:10:46 but you can also download the plugins from here: http://launchpad.net/~canola/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=lucid Mar 14 15:11:32 and as you can see Canola2 is available for Ubuntu Lucid, which is atm alpha, but working well for me.. Mar 14 15:12:32 just execute and test it on your Ubuntu (Karmic or Lucid ) by: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:canola/ppa Mar 14 15:12:33 :) Mar 14 15:12:54 j #ubuntu-tweak Mar 14 15:13:08 sry forgot the / :P Mar 14 15:16:01 is it possible to get the gps location data from a nokia e90 to the n800? Mar 14 15:27:36 hmmm, terminus font for maemo, anyone? Mar 14 15:27:56 Damn daylight savings. Mar 14 15:29:27 mmh, and where do i get xrdb? Mar 14 15:29:40 or how do i change fonts / colours / tweak Xterm Mar 14 15:30:03 Znalazłam męża przez internet... Mar 14 15:30:05 ups Mar 14 15:30:09 not here Mar 14 15:30:21 well alrite, i can change colors and fonts from xterm itself but still Mar 14 15:31:52 Anyone else having the problem with AIM being completely unconnectable? Mar 14 15:32:10 Even when enabled, doesn't show up on the list of enabled protocols? Mar 14 15:38:57 mortal_: http://www.nokiausers.net/Reviews/ExtGPS-Internal-GPS-Sharing-for-S60v3.html Mar 14 15:39:19 Hi all Mar 14 15:39:24 hey Mar 14 15:40:34 Who knows how to debug remotely (on the target) a console application for N900 with Eclipse? Mar 14 15:41:43 eww eclipse Mar 14 15:42:45 no help Mar 14 15:42:46 ewwclipse Mar 14 15:43:22 it either has some plugin for that or you are doomed :P Mar 14 15:43:27 anyone knows how fast brando.com ships a screen protector to europe? Mar 14 15:44:25 cehteh: do you know some of those? Mar 14 15:44:33 nope i dont use it Mar 14 15:44:38 aquatix: about 7-10 days Mar 14 15:45:13 embedded: k, thanks Mar 14 15:45:36 i wonder why ~user/.fonts is root-owned Mar 14 15:45:38 aquatix: u are welcome! Mar 14 15:46:14 thresh: there are some things just buggy set up Mar 14 15:46:45 mmkay Mar 14 15:47:07 it isnt nokia if it isnt screwed up somewhere Mar 14 15:48:19 /home/user/.fon*: No such file or directory ? Mar 14 15:49:06 ok, maybe it was me who screwed it up somehow Mar 14 15:49:15 yeah not all bugs are by nokia .. maybe some 3rd party package created that? :) Mar 14 15:49:33 anyone here with SDK ? Mar 14 15:50:06 you mean having it isntalled? Mar 14 15:50:10 yes Mar 14 15:50:13 yes Mar 14 15:50:27 can you please check if it is possible to add contact shortcuts to the desktop of the sdk ? Mar 14 15:50:38 either it doesn't work or I screwed something. Mar 14 15:50:42 i dont have it running, just installed :P Mar 14 15:50:52 well and some things doesnt work Mar 14 15:50:56 and not going to start it eh? :) Mar 14 15:51:04 its meant to cross compile, not to start apps there Mar 14 15:51:23 i wonder if simple copying of ter-*.pcf.gz to ~/.fonts and fc-cache will suffice Mar 14 15:51:23 nope i am sitting at a conference and being lazy now :P Mar 14 15:51:50 its highly likely that some things dont work on the sdk Mar 14 15:52:02 especially the armel target doesnt do much Mar 14 15:53:24 humm fc-cache added fonts actually Mar 14 15:53:34 but restarting terminal didnt help Mar 14 15:58:26 V13: are u there? Mar 14 15:58:36 yes Mar 14 15:58:42 V13: I have just checked that Mar 14 15:58:47 and ? Mar 14 15:59:27 V13: the first time I selected the top menu, the button "Add Contact" was present Mar 14 16:00:25 did you use it ? Mar 14 16:00:49 V13: but I hadn't any contact, so after created just one of it and pressed again on the top menu, that button disappeared Mar 14 16:01:08 are you sure ? Mar 14 16:01:12 sure Mar 14 16:01:17 it seems to disapear when there are not any other contacts to add Mar 14 16:01:28 for me it acts like adding the contact but doesn't show anything Mar 14 16:02:24 V13:indeed....you are right...because I selected it by the contact list (only one) and after I did that the button disappeared, but no contact shortcut is displayed onto the desktop Mar 14 16:02:33 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_non-free_armel/vectormine/1.0.6-2/ <--- need your vote to be available in extras Mar 14 16:02:38 Hi all ! Mar 14 16:03:09 Khertan: heya pal :) Mar 14 16:03:29 pal ? Mar 14 16:03:37 thopiekar: thanks Mar 14 16:03:40 hi wazd Mar 14 16:03:42 embedded: thanks... it seems to be a problem of the sdk Mar 14 16:03:49 Khertan: comrade :D Mar 14 16:03:51 V13: yeah, It should be a SDK bug Mar 14 16:04:20 V13: have you ever done a cross platform debug? Mar 14 16:04:42 V13: for example..used Eclipse to debug a N900 app on the target? Mar 14 16:05:05 Not bad at all this small app gTranslate Mar 14 16:05:54 Does the garnet emulator is working on n900 ? Mar 14 16:06:10 yep Mar 14 16:06:42 oh good ... i ll be able to verify kMeteo is still working Mar 14 16:06:44 thx Mar 14 16:08:29 jacispedro : didn t see maemo 5 in the list Mar 14 16:08:47 embedded: no.. i'm just using the sdk... Mar 14 16:08:48 should i got the os 2008 edition ? Mar 14 16:08:58 Khertan: it's not exactly "official"... grab the package from os2008, optify it (use SDK, maemo-optify-deb), and install in n900 Mar 14 16:09:11 embedded: even though i'm not writting in c/c++ for maemo, I'd prefer vi + gdb :) Mar 14 16:09:49 javispedro:ok thx Mar 14 16:10:01 duh, now n900 goes all the way in a boot process, nokia logo shows up, hands etc. and then it reboots. Mar 14 16:10:07 suppose i should re-flash it? Mar 14 16:10:26 reflash is the easiest way to fix this. Mar 14 16:10:29 most probably Mar 14 16:10:34 any other? :) Mar 14 16:10:48 i believe i did something nasty in /home/user/.profile Mar 14 16:10:56 perhaps r&d mode, but you will need to find out the problem yourself. Mar 14 16:11:39 zerojay, not that, although automatic connection migration results in network errors. Mar 14 16:11:51 so it's basically connecting the device and hitting --enable-rd-mode on flasher? Mar 14 16:12:01 mmmh i don't think i have usb cable at home :( Mar 14 16:14:04 Maemo is beginning to look like iPhone OS ... creating application that didn t already exist is more and more difficult :) Mar 14 16:15:00 is there 'I'm Rich' app on maemo? Mar 14 16:15:04 Hi, the adflashblock.css also blocks flash from loading at all? I mean, does it save the bandwith and cpu usage? Mar 14 16:15:22 nope but there is i am free Mar 14 16:16:53 Af'noon, all Mar 14 16:17:22 it freaking worked! Mar 14 16:17:23 hi Jaffa Mar 14 16:17:25 * V13 rocked Mar 14 16:18:18 ladies and gentlement... I present you an app to save and restore desktops and to allow for multiple desktop-views a'la KDE's activities. Mar 14 16:18:33 in fact, it's a simple script :) Mar 14 16:19:09 anyone wanna test? I've tested on N900 and it works as promised. Mar 14 16:20:02 Hi Jaffa Mar 14 16:20:15 V13: in what way is it different from how it currently works? Mar 14 16:21:05 no relation Mar 14 16:21:09 it doesn't do that atm Mar 14 16:21:17 how can you save the desktop ? Mar 14 16:21:19 and change it ? Mar 14 16:21:32 V13: what do you mean by desktop Mar 14 16:21:38 all 4 views Mar 14 16:21:47 ah so you mean it saves the positions of all widgets Mar 14 16:21:57 and you can have several profiles so to speak Mar 14 16:21:59 and everything else Mar 14 16:22:02 exactly Mar 14 16:22:15 infinite profiles i'd say.. Mar 14 16:22:24 yeah not bad. Mar 14 16:22:32 * GAN900 doesn't know why they would advertise this car as a 2+2. Mar 14 16:22:41 Not for me as I have heaps of free room on my desktops, but why not Mar 14 16:22:53 * V13 is out of space on desktop Mar 14 16:23:04 V13: now it needs only of a GUI :) Mar 14 16:23:08 oh.. and looking how it is without widgets.. well.. it's fast Mar 14 16:23:20 embedded: I won't create one .. not right now at least.. Mar 14 16:23:33 anyone can create it.. it will just need to call the scritp Mar 14 16:23:34 script Mar 14 16:23:42 sure Mar 14 16:23:50 "./change empty", "./change orig", "./change work", etc... Mar 14 16:25:22 Where does the media player store its user-created playlists? Mar 14 16:25:32 V13: would it be possible to add a new user to the linux installation and have a profile for each user? :D Mar 14 16:25:42 i don't think so Mar 14 16:26:00 i don't believe there is a way to select user Mar 14 16:26:09 Dragnslcr: (wild guess) $HOME/.mafw-playlists/ Mar 14 16:26:09 and /home/user may be hardcoded to some apps Mar 14 16:26:38 (even though sdk does a good job in preventing this by using /home/maemo instead) Mar 14 16:27:46 V13, sounds cool Mar 14 16:27:59 wanna test? Mar 14 16:28:08 actually yes Mar 14 16:28:15 even though I have 2 blank desktops :) Mar 14 16:28:18 it would solve my other problem Mar 14 16:28:21 one mom Mar 14 16:28:24 of damn icons dissapearing from a random crash Mar 14 16:28:24 moment Mar 14 16:28:37 oakly doakly Mar 14 16:29:01 ok.. get this: http://home.v13.gr:81/tmp/change Mar 14 16:29:05 it's a shell script Mar 14 16:29:09 ah screw it, no usb cable so i'm doomed Mar 14 16:29:16 you'll need to have "bash" installed Mar 14 16:29:31 got ya Mar 14 16:29:40 make sure you have bash installed Mar 14 16:30:01 next, create directory under the home directory. you'll run the script as user, not as root. Mar 14 16:30:06 put change in there Mar 14 16:30:41 javispedro- thanks, dunno how I missed that. Wish I could get to it through USB storage mode, but that's easy to work around Mar 14 16:30:53 edit it and change the 3rd line to point to it... for example, if you put change in /home/user/test, set D0="/home/user/test" Mar 14 16:31:33 after that, you can run "change new" Mar 14 16:31:53 it will store the current desktop using the name "1" and create an empty one that will be named "new" Mar 14 16:32:03 you can go back by running "./change 1" Mar 14 16:32:10 and ./change new Mar 14 16:32:18 you can have as many profiles as you want Mar 14 16:32:49 it doesn't save/restore backgrounds (not yet :-) Mar 14 16:32:55 so background persist Mar 14 16:34:07 tell me if it works :) Mar 14 16:34:33 Has anyone got gcc up and running and working in the debian chroot? I'm having problems getting it setup. Especially installing the standard C headers. Mar 14 16:35:54 it works here -- selfmade chroot Mar 14 16:36:14 goody :) Mar 14 16:36:29 wasn't talking about your app V13, sorry ;P Mar 14 16:36:59 :( Mar 14 16:37:00 :P Mar 14 16:37:12 i'd host the ar.gz SpeedEvil Mar 14 16:37:18 tar.gz Mar 14 16:39:46 V13: hmm but it would be neat if you could make the n900 ask for a login on startup and then have multiple users :D Mar 14 16:39:58 i can't :) Mar 14 16:40:52 * noobmonk3y grumbles Mar 14 16:41:07 Ipad vs 7-year old HP tablet: http://i.imgur.com/uzLKA.jpg Mar 14 16:43:21 tollbait Mar 14 16:43:41 doesn't talk about battery life Mar 14 16:44:11 yep Mar 14 16:44:25 still 7 years Mar 14 16:45:06 javispedro: or software... Mar 14 16:45:20 javispedro: or weight, resolution, screen type, etc... Mar 14 16:45:30 or the use cases? Mar 14 16:45:58 or the price Mar 14 16:46:11 * Stskeeps yawns Mar 14 16:46:21 well, if it were to talk about software, I'm pretty sure the balance would tip even more towards the hp Mar 14 16:46:36 * haltdef pets Stskeeps Mar 14 16:48:52 * Stskeeps is happy after he wrote a small pygtk thing for remote control of his Boxee Mar 14 16:48:57 for his n800 with bad screen Mar 14 16:49:38 why not a spooky photo frame? Mar 14 16:49:59 ;) Mar 14 16:50:00 so what exactly have you been up to? helping develop maemo itself or a custom thing for tablets that come with maemo? Mar 14 16:50:08 me? :P Mar 14 16:50:11 yea Mar 14 16:50:16 * Stskeeps ponders idly how to explain what he does Mar 14 16:50:24 never understood what it was you quit unreal for Mar 14 16:50:53 http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2009/10/my-first-day-as-maemoorg-distmaster.html is what i have done recently Mar 14 16:51:15 Mer (100% open source maemo) and Deblet (debian on internet tablets) was the original reason Mar 14 16:51:23 now i do the above thing Mar 14 16:51:30 ah Mar 14 16:52:27 (whatever that means in the long term with the meego stuff) Mar 14 16:53:19 what was "unreal"? Mar 14 16:53:44 www.unrealircd.com and http://inspircd.org/?p=stats pretty much says it Mar 14 16:54:02 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnrealIRCd :P Mar 14 16:55:25 i was thinking "future crew :) Mar 14 16:55:46 nah Mar 14 16:55:47 :P Mar 14 17:04:10 * noobmonk3y wishes that QT designer worked well with python :D Mar 14 17:16:53 * javispedro ponders council work Mar 14 17:18:40 anyone got any info on the n800 audio hiss, could I for example construct a low pass filter to filter it out Mar 14 17:19:01 and what kind of headphones are the least affected by it Mar 14 17:19:12 * noobmonk3y just ponders Mar 14 17:19:37 javispedro, there's no biscuits nor coffee available, but texrat promised coffee in the next term :D Mar 14 17:19:57 javispedro: we need sane people there Mar 14 17:20:29 javispedro: and people to represent us as we need to be as organised and bigger in numbers than intel and nokia is with money :P Mar 14 17:21:33 :D Mar 14 17:21:35 ah, evil texrat :) Mar 14 17:21:44 lol wannabe evil ;) Mar 14 17:22:43 Stskeeps, last part is hard to accomplish, bastards have a lot of money :D Mar 14 17:24:13 And shiny toys. Mar 14 17:24:18 Easy to be distracted by the ooooh. shiny. Mar 14 17:24:34 VDVsx: agreed, but we should not be easy to ignore :) Mar 14 17:24:50 the council needs people that are sane and easy to work with, that was one of the biggest gaps in the current term (no offense to anyone:D) Mar 14 17:24:56 lol Mar 14 17:25:02 your on it arnt ya? Mar 14 17:25:06 yes Mar 14 17:25:08 :D Mar 14 17:25:15 The most insaniest person of 'em all. Mar 14 17:25:20 you're telling me someone in the current council is insane? :) Mar 14 17:25:23 Well, 5th most insane ;-) Mar 14 17:25:34 not sure who i'm gonna vote for this term... kinda hoping more people step foreward Mar 14 17:25:37 javispedro: He's telling us someone in the current council is *sane* ;-) Mar 14 17:26:03 noobmonk3y: i'm mostly satisfied with the candidates so far Mar 14 17:26:05 In fact, there must be 4 sane people. Mar 14 17:26:10 always good to know! Mar 14 17:26:10 :P Mar 14 17:26:11 i wouldn't mind some more activits Mar 14 17:26:12 Cos only one's rerunning ;-) Mar 14 17:26:14 activists Mar 14 17:26:18 mostly is now wholey :D Mar 14 17:26:20 as in, doers, not moaners :P Mar 14 17:26:27 not* Mar 14 17:26:32 omg i can't type Mar 14 17:26:38 "easy to work with" is the more important part, we all are a bit insane, that can be forgiven :D Mar 14 17:26:43 hmmm true.... dont know any of them well enough... Mar 14 17:27:02 * Jaffa wonders if we'd've started getting parties if Maemo had continued in its current guise for a few more years. Mar 14 17:27:28 noobmonk3y: Who'd be your dream candidate? Nominate them. Mar 14 17:27:32 noobmonk3y: Push them to run. Mar 14 17:27:37 Jaffa, are you running yet? Mar 14 17:27:39 * VDVsx creates the TMO party before someone else :D Mar 14 17:27:44 hmmm, still deciding Jaffa Mar 14 17:27:52 Stskeeps: Not... yet. Mar 14 17:27:56 from a newbies point of view obvious Kathy, but she wont run :D Mar 14 17:28:20 * javispedro is a member of the MOC, the maemo.org conservative party. No offense to Qt guys. Mar 14 17:28:26 lol jav Mar 14 17:28:33 eheh Mar 14 17:28:49 anyone has a mirror for me? :) Mar 14 17:29:05 there's an extras mirror in this channels' topic Mar 14 17:29:07 mirror of? Mar 14 17:29:19 is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com down? Mar 14 17:29:20 ah Mar 14 17:29:23 I cant enter that website Mar 14 17:29:28 tmo is verrrrrrry quiet this wkend Mar 14 17:29:29 for the files that I need to flash my N900 :) Mar 14 17:29:31 anybody got quasselclient running on n900? Mar 14 17:29:42 whats quasselclient? Mar 14 17:29:56 the best irc client in the world Mar 14 17:29:56 :D Mar 14 17:29:58 summel mirror of the Flasher 3.5 Mar 14 17:30:03 www.quassel-irc.org Mar 14 17:30:04 and the latest firmware (EUR) Mar 14 17:30:14 * luke-jr isn't so sure about *best*... Mar 14 17:30:21 join the Evil Phome Hardware Hackers Party *now* ;-P Mar 14 17:30:36 Ecckkks Mar 14 17:30:40 summel: I know this is a stupid answer, but why not irssi? ^^ Mar 14 17:30:47 luke-jr, is Qt, so ? Mar 14 17:30:48 lol Mar 14 17:30:54 why not screen and irssi to be more accurate Mar 14 17:30:55 luke-jr: it's written with qt4 and has a core/client architecture :D Mar 14 17:31:00 :( :( :( Mar 14 17:31:05 Shapeshifter: because i want a gui! Mar 14 17:31:05 VDVsx: I like Konversation enough to forego the core/client design Mar 14 17:31:18 Shapeshifter: irssi = GTK = fail Mar 14 17:31:20 ah thats also Qt, fair enough ;) Mar 14 17:31:25 irssi != gtk Mar 14 17:31:37 irsi = ncurses Mar 14 17:31:37 glib = GTK Core Mar 14 17:31:49 +s Mar 14 17:31:58 luke-jr: irssi = GTK? Mar 14 17:31:58 irssi = GTK + ncurses Mar 14 17:32:26 ldd $(which irssi) # :) Mar 14 17:32:31 irssi has no real gui Mar 14 17:32:33 oO Mar 14 17:32:40 luke-jr, you mean libglib, not gtk? Mar 14 17:32:42 summel: it doesn't use GTK for gui Mar 14 17:32:47 flux: libglib = GTK Core Mar 14 17:32:53 glib is like libc6 Mar 14 17:32:55 ewww Mar 14 17:33:08 luke-jr: two seperate packages Mar 14 17:33:09 :P Mar 14 17:33:09 libglib is like the best part of gtk Mar 14 17:33:10 valdyn: libc is part of the C standard Mar 14 17:33:15 Stskeeps: so are QtCore and QtGui Mar 14 17:33:16 maybe even the only good one Mar 14 17:33:25 Shapeshifter: crappy enough to slow Qt down Mar 14 17:33:28 luke-jr, and it's called glib, not gtk :) Mar 14 17:33:30 luke-jr: yes, but thats all the difference Mar 14 17:33:34 Hi there, I am trying to install iptables on my n900 but maemo complains : "Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?" Mar 14 17:33:56 massoud: echo 64 > /proc/sys/kernel/pty/max Mar 14 17:34:09 flux: it's part of the GTK mess Mar 14 17:34:16 luke-jr: well then weechat Mar 14 17:34:21 ;) Mar 14 17:34:22 Quassel works fine Mar 14 17:34:42 luke-jr, in your terms there would be no different to call the current irssi "gtk-based" and another irssi with a GTK-based ui "gtk-based" as well? Mar 14 17:34:42 luke-jr: it's what MAKES the GTK mess, but not part of it :) Mar 14 17:35:01 flux: no difference to me Mar 14 17:35:25 javispedro: glib+gtk-gui+GNOME = GTK mess stack :P Mar 14 17:35:33 as compared to QtCore+QtGui+KDE Mar 14 17:35:41 you're cheating here Mar 14 17:35:49 there's no "gtk-gui" Mar 14 17:35:49 luke-jr, then I think you will not be able to communicate with other people very well about the matter, because I do believe people at large differentiate the two :) Mar 14 17:36:07 oh btw... anybody got kde 4 running on n900? :D Mar 14 17:36:21 summel: I will in a few days if you send me one Mar 14 17:36:30 I have KDE 4.3 running on my N810 currently Mar 14 17:36:38 :D i dont even got one for myself yet :( Mar 14 17:36:50 why not get something else then? :p Mar 14 17:36:55 * HtheB feels ignored Mar 14 17:37:01 what else? Mar 14 17:37:04 * luke-jr ignores HtheB Mar 14 17:37:07 summel: I'd wish kde4 would run flawlessly on x86 at least Mar 14 17:37:12 summel: I'm hoping Nexus Two is decent. Mar 14 17:37:15 aaaaaaarg Mar 14 17:37:17 the pain! :( Mar 14 17:37:18 DocScrutinizer: WFM, mostly Mar 14 17:37:25 DocScrutinizer: it does :) Mar 14 17:37:33 luke-jr: ewww android Mar 14 17:37:35 summel: LG Apollo sounds nice if we can port Linux to it Mar 14 17:37:35 *hides* Mar 14 17:37:41 summel: shipped software sucks; get over it Mar 14 17:37:43 n900 is perfect :) Mar 14 17:37:48 N900 is far from perfect Mar 14 17:37:54 only so expensive ;_; Mar 14 17:37:59 ShadowJK: you rocks thanks Mar 14 17:38:04 at least something shipping Windows has a good chance of being properly supported someday <.< Mar 14 17:38:09 ShadowJK: why this issue regarding pts ? Mar 14 17:38:15 yes, the software is not 100% perfect but its the best i have seen so far :) Mar 14 17:38:25 summel, then help me xD Mar 14 17:38:28 massoud, it's set to something stupidly low Mar 14 17:38:34 HtheB: with what? Mar 14 17:38:36 summel: no matter what device I end up with, I'll probably put Gentoo on it Mar 14 17:38:45 well.. where can I download Flasher 3.5 :S Mar 14 17:38:58 ~flashing Mar 14 17:38:59 i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 14 17:39:08 ewww gentoo Mar 14 17:39:09 VDVsx: akamai is having problems, seems. Mar 14 17:39:12 VDVsx, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com is down Mar 14 17:39:13 summel: well, kinda like kde1.2 did Mar 14 17:39:16 i dont know Mar 14 17:39:20 i never flashed :P Mar 14 17:39:31 DocScrutinizer: hmm? what distribution? Mar 14 17:39:39 cant download the files VDVsx :( Mar 14 17:39:49 wtf has disro to deal with it? Mar 14 17:39:55 HtheB, so you have to wait a bit, afaik there's no mirrors apart from akamai Mar 14 17:40:18 because imho 99% of the distros that ship kde 4 fucked it up and patched it so much it is broken Mar 14 17:40:21 got a stupid error message here o_0 Mar 14 17:41:14 * VDVsx is off for football :D Mar 14 17:41:20 i would love a 10" n900 :D Mar 14 17:41:29 without hardware keyboard Mar 14 17:41:30 :o Mar 14 17:41:53 summel: TouchBook? Mar 14 17:42:02 iPad Mar 14 17:42:06 whats a touchbook? Mar 14 17:42:10 eww ipad Mar 14 17:42:19 summel: 2 year old iPad, but cheaper and runs normal OS Mar 14 17:42:22 how can you compare the n900 with an ipad? Mar 14 17:42:32 luke-jr: pics? :D Mar 14 17:42:48 http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/ Mar 14 17:42:50 and hardware speccs Mar 14 17:43:00 hmm Mar 14 17:43:08 i dont like the "clip on" keyboard Mar 14 17:43:12 1024x800 8.9" display, OMAP3, 512 MB RAM Mar 14 17:43:14 so don't buy it Mar 14 17:43:15 and it is arm :( Mar 14 17:43:22 you'd prefer MIPS? Mar 14 17:43:28 i want an i686 device Mar 14 17:43:28 N900 is ARM Mar 14 17:43:31 fail Mar 14 17:43:32 x86 sucks Mar 14 17:43:33 i know Mar 14 17:43:47 but arch only runs on i686 or x86_64 Mar 14 17:43:56 then Arch sucks Mar 14 17:44:02 no Mar 14 17:44:03 :P Mar 14 17:44:10 arch is the best distro imho Mar 14 17:44:21 :( I wish I could get wine to run on n900 Mar 14 17:44:25 because kde 4 just works like it should <3 Mar 14 17:44:29 ewww Mar 14 17:44:31 why? Mar 14 17:44:32 oO Mar 14 17:44:34 summel: KDE 4 works fine on Gentoo Mar 14 17:44:42 summel: free spotify. Mar 14 17:44:49 luke-jr: are you saying you're running KDE 4 on gentoo on ARM? Mar 14 17:44:53 luke-jr: how much is the touchbook? Mar 14 17:44:56 Shapeshifter: yes Mar 14 17:45:01 libben: i dont like gentoo :P Mar 14 17:45:04 luke-jr: heh Mar 14 17:45:07 Dassu: i dont like spotify Mar 14 17:45:07 Shapeshifter: not that architecture makes a difference Mar 14 17:45:11 :O Mar 14 17:45:12 there never is a "best distro", there just is a "best distro for purpose x" if at all - and for non x86-purposes, arch isn't best. ;-) Mar 14 17:45:24 summel: $300 w/o kb Mar 14 17:45:31 $400 w/ kb Mar 14 17:45:33 summel: ^__^ I love but then again i like to listen all kinds of music and I'm not a fan of any band. Mar 14 17:45:34 i hope meego will run nice on it :D Mar 14 17:45:35 luke-jr: well x86 are pretty fast these days. Mar 14 17:45:49 summel: it is a good way for me to find new music without wasting HDD space Mar 14 17:45:49 Shapeshifter: fast at discharging batteries, yes, I agree Mar 14 17:45:53 Dassu: spotify is not availeable in my country so i dont like them :D Mar 14 17:45:55 :) Mar 14 17:46:30 summel: it is freaking awsome :-)! UI is wonderful and you can find almost anyting from the db Mar 14 17:46:31 uhm, is the autobuilder broken or something? Mar 14 17:47:37 luke-jr: nice :) Mar 14 17:47:41 * Dassu might get a premium just for despotify Mar 14 17:47:49 Dassu: i used pandora for that and last fm Mar 14 17:47:59 now i use a shady russian website xD Mar 14 17:48:39 summel: lastfm streaming doesn't work for me. I heard it works in germany but not too sure about that O_o... Mar 14 17:49:15 yes it does work in germany ^^ Mar 14 17:49:38 kk, :/ Wonder if I can use proxy to bypass the limitation... Mar 14 17:50:20 uhm I mean... there's nothing happening on extras-cauldron-builds since 13:08 EET. and I can't move my stuff to the autobuilder queue. Mar 14 17:50:23 probably Mar 14 17:51:11 report it? Mar 14 17:51:32 probably has something to do with the akamai issue.. Mar 14 17:51:54 On the n900 : i am trying to kill wlancond but there is a watchdog that i don t find that restart the daemon and dsmetool is not working Mar 14 17:52:12 did you try "stop wlancond"? Mar 14 17:52:33 icd? Mar 14 17:52:47 if anyone, dbus might be respawning it Mar 14 17:53:48 (indirectly because of icd, but it should only do that at every scan request...) Mar 14 17:57:04 javispedro: like "/etc/init.d/wlanconf stop" ? does not work Mar 14 17:57:05 reading 395 thanks on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 :> Mar 14 17:57:30 * Stskeeps is such a karma whore Mar 14 17:57:31 board record? Mar 14 17:57:38 not sure, i hope not Mar 14 17:57:59 and "dsmetool stop wlancond" neither Mar 14 17:58:01 * javispedro notes that ironically he's not on the list Mar 14 17:58:01 i'd think some of qgil's announcements were higher Mar 14 17:58:54 396 already =) Mar 14 17:58:55 " The same way you could install Vista on your PC or XP or even Ubuntu or other crazy operating systems, this is possible on your N900 - you do not have to rely on your hardware vendor to provide a OS for your device." Mar 14 17:58:58 Stskeeps: since when? Mar 14 17:59:09 Stskeeps: N900 doesn't depend on proprietary components anymore? BME? Mar 14 17:59:31 luke-jr: if you do my polish homework, i will discuss with you Mar 14 17:59:32 :P Mar 14 18:00:17 hmm, with this bunch of experts, I'd guess I may ask for some buzzwords on how to decouple camerad-ui / omapcamd0 from the slider switch -- so I could have a different app started on camslide open Mar 14 18:00:35 i'd think it was a hildon-desktop thing maybe? or mce Mar 14 18:00:48 Stskeeps: in case you didn't notice, you *don't* rely on vendors for drivers on any sane PC Mar 14 18:00:55 DocScrutinizer: isnt that possible with tweakr or that other app from extra-devel? Mar 14 18:00:59 luke-jr: uhm, yes you do Mar 14 18:01:04 luke-jr: nvidia.. :P Mar 14 18:01:11 the good ones provide code to base them on, but inevitably it's part of the OS Mar 14 18:01:14 summel: tweakr: no Mar 14 18:01:17 wlan firmware.. Mar 14 18:01:19 nVidia blobs are illegal on Linux, not a valid example Mar 14 18:01:22 firmware != drivers Mar 14 18:01:31 * Stskeeps sighs Mar 14 18:01:49 * Stskeeps notes luke-jr and himself does not share a common world view and is not able to reach any conclusions, ever Mar 14 18:01:51 luke-jr, btw wanna write something that reads from an i2c device? Mar 14 18:01:52 :P Mar 14 18:02:09 luke-jr: errr, ATI and NVidia both provide drivers which aren't included in Windows Mar 14 18:02:10 luke-jr: on a related sidenote, where's those licensing change requests? Mar 14 18:02:23 Jaffa: I don't consider Windows to be a sane OS Mar 14 18:02:29 Stskeeps: I did them. Mar 14 18:02:30 err that's omap3camd and camera-ui, of course Mar 14 18:02:35 Stskeeps: BME and gpsdriver Mar 14 18:02:37 luke-jr: you did? with the new forms? Mar 14 18:03:16 hrm, is maemo.org FUBAR atm? Mar 14 18:03:24 Jaffa: they are included in windows 7 Mar 14 18:03:33 well not included but availeable with windows update Mar 14 18:04:28 luke-jr: could you give me bug #'s? Mar 14 18:04:41 summel: and also not written by Microsoft Mar 14 18:04:44 Stskeeps: -.- use search Mar 14 18:05:05 Stskeeps: appears alive. Mar 14 18:05:37 luke-jr: gah, thanks - i'll process it first thing in the morning Mar 14 18:05:55 Jaffa: yes and thats a good thing ^^ Mar 14 18:06:13 luke-jr: -1 for not following guidelines at first :P Mar 14 18:06:37 luke-jr: please make a form for 9313 Mar 14 18:07:34 form #9313 "request for comments for request for evaluating the request for a request for comments for the evaluation of the request of the licensing changing of user space battery charging related components" Mar 14 18:08:36 ah no, it's a bugreport no :P Mar 14 18:08:40 bug #9313 Mar 14 18:08:46 povbot: ping? Mar 14 18:08:52 javispedro: LOL Mar 14 18:09:01 Stskeeps: i don't think Luke-Jr shares a common world view with _anyone_ ;P Mar 14 18:09:07 btw Mar 14 18:09:12 i just ported a perogram used to recover deleted files on an ext3/ext4 filesystem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=566993#post566993 - check it out! :D Mar 14 18:09:16 b-man17: fail Mar 14 18:09:21 lol Mar 14 18:09:32 and nice Mar 14 18:09:37 povbot dead since some days now Mar 14 18:09:57 luke-jr: ty :) Mar 14 18:10:24 luke-jr: and the forms isn't to make your life more difficult, it's just to have coherent and to-the-point info :P Mar 14 18:10:25 oh what filesystem does the n900 use? ext2? Mar 14 18:10:37 I'm quite sure crashanddie killed it by mode +q $~a Mar 14 18:10:39 javispedro: mh. do you think they know about it? Where should I report? Apparently, no one said anything on the maemo-developers ml... Mar 14 18:10:56 summel: jffs2 and vfat I think Mar 14 18:11:01 javispedro: thanks for the tuxracer fix Mar 14 18:11:01 summel: ubifs Mar 14 18:11:09 mhm mhm Mar 14 18:11:09 Shapeshifter: if it does not get back up when the repos do, I'd post it. Mar 14 18:11:23 summel: /opt is ext3 Mar 14 18:11:48 javispedro: ahh they're down as well. I see. Mar 14 18:12:05 and /home/uservMyDocs is vfat Mar 14 18:12:11 GAN900: could you remove [Bannliste: #maemo] $~a eingetragen von crashanddie am 2010-03-12 07:49 please? Mar 14 18:12:15 why ext3? Mar 14 18:12:16 */home/user/MyDocs Mar 14 18:12:26 wouldn't ext2 be better? :D Mar 14 18:12:49 i think ext3 gets allong better with ubifs Mar 14 18:13:04 ext3 is better cos you really don't want a nuked ext2 fs cos of pulling a battery Mar 14 18:13:15 ;) Mar 14 18:13:17 but if it supports ext3 it should also support ext2? Mar 14 18:13:24 mikkov: np! thanks for the initial port! Mar 14 18:13:30 but journaling on flash memory? oO Mar 14 18:13:46 yup Mar 14 18:13:59 isn't that a bad thing? Mar 14 18:14:00 well Mar 14 18:14:24 the ext3 partition is on eMMC Mar 14 18:14:30 not flash Mar 14 18:15:13 hmm ok Mar 14 18:15:22 Stskeeps: uh, ext3 is more likely to get broken by pulled battery than ext2 Mar 14 18:15:54 at least ext2 should be fine after a fsck Mar 14 18:16:01 but ext3 would just get screwed over Mar 14 18:16:24 zfs :D Mar 14 18:16:25 unless N900 has an internal non-removable battery/capacitor to let the eMMC finish all pending writes Mar 14 18:16:49 Jaffa: what's your notion about the +q $~a on this chan? Couldn't that be removed? Mar 14 18:16:56 they're both kinda doomed on flash I'd think Mar 14 18:17:02 i'm sure theay'd have to by design Mar 14 18:17:10 since you don't just a 512 byte sector but you lose a 256k block.. Mar 14 18:17:11 ShadowJK: ext2 should recover from fsck tho Mar 14 18:17:43 oh, true Mar 14 18:17:47 wait no Mar 14 18:17:56 doesn't the replacement block get written before the original is wiped? Mar 14 18:18:02 no Mar 14 18:18:07 Well Mar 14 18:18:08 on eMMC Mar 14 18:18:42 well, that's why the system files are on the onenand :) Mar 14 18:18:53 if not, you *could* make ext2 with 256k blocks and align it... Mar 14 18:19:15 not sure why ext3 would be worse than ext2 though Mar 14 18:19:23 ShadowJK: because ext3 assumes in-order writing Mar 14 18:19:30 whereas eMMC may very well do it out-of-order Mar 14 18:19:46 I'd think ext2 has the same assumption.. Mar 14 18:19:48 DocScrutinizer: The what? Mar 14 18:19:56 ext2 doesn't quite assume much there, I think Mar 14 18:19:58 and me not sure why oneNAND would be any better tha SD/MMC Mar 14 18:20:13 Jaffa: /mode #maemo q Mar 14 18:20:19 also ext2's fsck actually checks the contents, not merely a journal Mar 14 18:20:45 Jaffa: it makes everyone without a registered nick unable to talk Mar 14 18:20:49 Maybe we should set the do-real-fsck-everytime flag :) Mar 14 18:20:56 i would assume that a non-journaling fs dos not check any journal :P Mar 14 18:20:58 Jaffa: quiets all non registered users, including povbot Mar 14 18:21:00 Does someone use EsBox for Maemo developments? Mar 14 18:21:12 ShadowJK: in that case, ext3 just increases wear needlessly :) Mar 14 18:21:18 DocScrutinizer: cause the onenand filesystem at least knows about those issues... and is a log based fs. Mar 14 18:21:36 wear is overrated Mar 14 18:21:38 Jaffa: I really miss to see why we would need that permanently Mar 14 18:21:55 I've had nilfs2 abusing SD cards and USB memory sticks for a month now and nothing has broken :D Mar 14 18:22:00 DocScrutinizer: also, direct NAND allows the CPU to control write order I think Mar 14 18:22:21 ShadowJK: why waste the wear+write time when it has no gains? Mar 14 18:22:23 direct nand makes it less of a black box. emmc has no write barriers or anything :-) Mar 14 18:22:31 embedded, yep Mar 14 18:22:42 slonopotamus: how's the n900? Mar 14 18:22:45 (and the kiddo) Mar 14 18:22:53 luke-jr: well, even if all that's correct, I don't see how it will help a lot on the issue Mar 14 18:23:15 Stskeeps: (mine is wanting to go to bed I think, and the next one is due Oct 6 :p) Mar 14 18:23:27 Stskeeps, they said it's fixed on friday. going to take it tomorrow. Mar 14 18:23:46 luke-jr, you know, tomtom actually did repetitive powerloss tests and ended up with ext3 too :P Mar 14 18:24:06 slonopotamus: do you if is possible to debug remotely a console app developed with EsBox ? Mar 14 18:24:30 ShadowJK: maybe the fsck speed was worth the risk, or maybe they added a battery for writes Mar 14 18:24:33 embedded, remotely? having app runninglyon device? Mar 14 18:24:34 Jaffa: Mar 14 18:24:38 [2010-03-12 19:13:20] do you know why i am not able to chat in #maemo? Mar 14 18:24:39 [2010-03-12 19:13:35] * #maemo :Cannot send to channel Mar 14 18:24:43 povbot: ping Mar 14 18:24:49 slonopotamus: yes, precisely Mar 14 18:25:00 luke-jr, also "user unplugs SD card in middle of write" Mar 14 18:25:11 ShadowJK: hehehe Mar 14 18:25:36 I think that falls under "that's not supported" Mar 14 18:25:52 Luke-Jr there is a tiny battery on the N900's logic board - you think it's used for that? Mar 14 18:25:53 luke-jr: definitely there's no battery to buffer writes on N900 Mar 14 18:26:09 b-man17: possible Mar 14 18:26:09 b-man17, I think there's one for keeping the clock alive Mar 14 18:26:09 if the back cover is taken off, sd card is unmounted Mar 14 18:26:14 embedded, haven't tried (don't have device now), though afair such option is present in esbox Mar 14 18:26:25 slonopotamus: I'm trying to do that with a SSH session but the app needs to run in osso-xterm. how can I do that? Mar 14 18:26:38 Stskeeps, I meant tomtom did repetitive powerloss/suddeneject tests on different fs combinations Mar 14 18:26:39 luke-jr: and I doubt there's any on any other mobile device Mar 14 18:26:45 why does N900 need to keep a clock running? ;) Mar 14 18:26:49 their devices have no door infront of the card Mar 14 18:27:04 luke-jr, agps stops working if it has the wrong time ;-) Mar 14 18:27:15 ShadowJK: GPS signal contains time... Mar 14 18:27:33 embedded, no clue, sorry Mar 14 18:27:37 needs to find satellite first to get time :) Mar 14 18:28:32 Hey guys, nobody can help me with this issue? Mar 14 18:29:06 ShadowJK: even the N770 had a battery xD Mar 14 18:29:58 embedded: maemo-developers@ mabe Mar 14 18:30:01 maybe Mar 14 18:30:23 ShadowJK: meh! :P Mar 14 18:30:36 ShadowJK: boot takes a few seconds, long enough to find one Mar 14 18:30:40 Stskeeps: Is it a channel? Mar 14 18:30:46 no, mailing list Mar 14 18:31:36 hmm, not much traffic from my extundelete thread - maybe my big fat warning is scaring people off xD Mar 14 18:33:11 luke-jr: booting without correct time means you *must not* use agps / stored alm/ephem Mar 14 18:33:42 luke-jr: so finding sats can take a lot longer, or fail completely under poor signal conditions Mar 14 18:35:46 b-man17: I really misparsed that as "extund el ette" :-/ Mar 14 18:36:27 lol Mar 14 18:36:32 Anyway, use LogFS :> Mar 14 18:36:43 what's that mean, Jaffa? Mar 14 18:38:06 * b-man17 translates it Mar 14 18:39:04 DocScrutinizer: there's only so many sats, should be enough time during boot... Mar 14 18:39:27 b-man17: No idea; which is why I was confused. Mar 14 18:39:33 rofl Mar 14 18:39:58 luke-jr: for next time, component area is the leftmost things Mar 14 18:40:00 but thanks Mar 14 18:40:06 i'll process tomorrow in my working hours Mar 14 18:40:06 leftmost things? Mar 14 18:40:06 :P Mar 14 18:40:23 didn't see no leftmost things Mar 14 18:40:26 http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/diablo/ Mar 14 18:40:28 'Area' Mar 14 18:40:36 (and down) Mar 14 18:40:38 that's not the link the question had Mar 14 18:40:45 question's link just had L# Mar 14 18:40:57 really? :P Mar 14 18:41:10 * Stskeeps ponders if he messed up somewhere then Mar 14 18:41:32 What component area is the component in if you know? (See the openness reports at http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html) Mar 14 18:43:31 ah, when you click further in to the actual reports, it should be more or less obviously Mar 14 18:43:34 nm though Mar 14 18:43:40 it's Other/Other in diablo Mar 14 18:53:01 luke-jr: GPS is doing sth that's been considered impossible some 30 years ago: filtering out a signal from a much stronger random noise. This is done by correlators which basically have to know about the expected signal to find the hidden actual one in the noise. It's not as simple as "you got enough time to scan 28 channels if there's a carrier of the sat on that chan" Mar 14 18:54:32 luke-jr: due to sats being moving transmitters you see quite relevant doppler and other distorting effects that are highly related to the *exact* time you look for that particular sat's signal Mar 14 18:56:08 luke-jr: current GPS chipsets have several thousands of those hardware correlators, to scan all possible signals possibly seen inside the noise Mar 14 18:57:01 found tuxracer crash reason Mar 14 18:57:08 the more of those a chipset has, the faster it'll find a sat. But correct time plus alm/ephem also help a lot Mar 14 19:09:02 they all transmit on the same frequency, and there my understanding of signals ends :-( Mar 14 19:40:12 dude Mar 14 19:40:17 Im pretty bummed Mar 14 19:40:41 why Mar 14 19:41:22 Im really approaching a point where I have to reflash Mar 14 19:41:34 and I was hoping to god that pr 1.2 or meego would be available before I did Mar 14 19:41:49 hey haltdef Mar 14 19:41:51 what's wrong? Mar 14 19:42:05 its a huge hassle to reinstall all of my custom stuff Mar 14 19:42:17 and I dont' want to do it only to have pr 1.2 or meego released for the N900 like 2 days later Mar 14 19:42:35 that happened to me with pr 1.1 Mar 14 19:42:38 and man I was annoyed Mar 14 19:42:45 haha Mar 14 19:42:51 I guess pretty bummed was the wrong descriptor for my feelings Mar 14 19:43:06 more like, Im preemptively annoyed Mar 14 19:43:11 I don't get why you're approaching the point where you need to reflash Mar 14 19:43:11 knowing that is my future fate Mar 14 19:43:25 system is running a bit slower than it should Mar 14 19:43:34 Im having some random errors, and the pr 1.1.1 update didn't install properly Mar 14 19:43:39 so its livable Mar 14 19:43:42 but not ideal Mar 14 19:44:04 I have plenty of free root space, but my user partition is getting full Mar 14 19:44:09 which is always fun Mar 14 19:44:21 you filled up the 27GB partition? Mar 14 19:44:28 and then that huge whopping 28gigs of wasted fat32 is sitting there useless Mar 14 19:44:31 no Mar 14 19:44:33 oh Mar 14 19:44:42 surely you can re-jiggle that a bit Mar 14 19:44:56 I've seen some posts about repartitioning Mar 14 19:45:54 hopefully pr 1.2 will be out by the time I get my n900 :P Mar 14 19:47:02 nobody know what will be new or improved in it? Mar 14 19:47:32 hi all Mar 14 19:47:35 nokia doesn't show those details iirc Mar 14 19:47:59 yea I figured, not much on the internets about it Mar 14 19:48:02 prolly the most annoying question for you all, but can run maemo on the htc G1 ? Mar 14 19:48:14 no, maybe mer, but wait for meego Mar 14 19:48:38 k,thx Mar 14 19:49:16 oh wow, haltdef getting n900 too? :-) Mar 14 19:49:56 mmhmm Mar 14 19:50:34 ShadowJK: i'm pondering who else from unreal starts jumping on the bandwagon :P Mar 14 19:50:46 hehe Mar 14 19:51:39 n900 was going to be my next phone pretty much since it was announced, only now is it possible for me to actually get one Mar 14 19:51:42 job :P Mar 14 19:51:54 Stskeeps: hopefully not too many Mar 14 19:52:06 else one of these days the undesirable crazies will start coming along Mar 14 19:52:24 w00t: i had suspected luke-jr of being ashes for a fair bit Mar 14 19:52:28 * w00t lols Mar 14 19:53:03 i almost miss ashes :( Mar 14 19:53:08 ..almost.. Mar 14 19:53:11 lol Mar 14 20:09:04 (yes/no question) Is it possible to create status-menu-widget with PyQt? Mar 14 20:26:15 does anyone have the PR1.1.1 update for the n900? tablets-dev throws an error Mar 14 20:27:02 device doesnt want to update using Application Manager (issues with retrieving apt info) and NSU complains about disk space Mar 14 20:29:09 Does anyone know how I can change profiles for remote controls in the irreco database? I made a mistake and want to fix it Mar 14 20:40:21 gbraad Mar 14 20:40:25 you need a ton of space Mar 14 20:40:32 like 45 megs free on root iirc Mar 14 20:40:54 gbraad: also, the repositories seem to be unreachable atm. Mar 14 20:42:08 so i wanted to use the flasher Mar 14 20:42:20 but unavailable ATM Mar 14 20:42:52 ok... is pr1.2 comming? Mar 14 20:43:01 repositories are down and I can't upload to builder Mar 14 20:43:24 * V13 gets a nokia employee and tortures him Mar 14 20:43:30 sunday isnt a very good day for emergency response on servers Mar 14 20:43:45 on maemo servers Mar 14 20:43:53 indeed Mar 14 20:43:56 but the builder as well ? Mar 14 20:43:59 only found flasher-3.0 and some older 770 and n810 firmware on my server Mar 14 20:44:01 argh! Mar 14 20:44:03 both the builder and the repositories ? Mar 14 20:44:52 i havent hacked them for access so i dunno whats up Mar 14 20:56:01 does anyone know if CDMA from Verizon Wireless is supported on the n900? Mar 14 20:57:35 it is not Mar 14 20:58:45 is there any plans for it to work on Verizon CDMA? It's an impressive phone. Mar 14 20:59:08 No CDMA is. Mar 14 20:59:28 It would require the carrier to agree to have it put on the network. Mar 14 20:59:39 And they'd want to neuter it probably. Mar 14 21:00:00 :[ Aww. Mar 14 21:02:05 So has someone found a source of qwerty keymats that ships to europe? I found a german supplier but they only sell the stupid qwertz version. Mar 14 21:10:55 Back Mar 14 21:11:05 ladies and gentlemen.. after a dozen hours of coding, I present you "actman". A (for now) shell script to manage activities. Have a look here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=567148 Mar 14 21:11:28 It works to play a regular TV show which is approximately 350MB and pixels are about 600-650 times 300-400 Mar 14 21:11:39 just played a House episode without any problems at all :) Mar 14 21:11:58 this pleases me Mar 14 21:12:09 :) Mar 14 21:12:19 want to see how well it copes with my 720x480 16:9 ~2000kbps x264 encodes Mar 14 21:12:20 i picture the smiling snake Mar 14 21:13:11 find us a good x264 setting for n900 Mar 14 21:13:33 I'm not faffing with re-encoding stuff for it unless it's HD, that's for iphone users Mar 14 21:13:34 :P Mar 14 21:14:54 haltdef: what pleases you? Mar 14 21:15:13 scene xvids playing fine Mar 14 21:15:31 my msm72xx based WM device struggles, useless Mar 14 21:15:34 haltdef: fuck yeah! ;) i was *absolutely* sure about tihs Mar 14 21:16:03 haltdef: no lagging what so ever Mar 14 21:16:21 the next step is to try a scene 720p HD, tomorrow it will be 24 ;) Mar 14 21:16:23 hmm? Mar 14 21:16:25 mine drops like 10% of the frames just to keep up Mar 14 21:16:31 that isn't gonna work :P Mar 14 21:16:39 you can't play HD on the N900...! Mar 14 21:16:52 Arif_: perhaps I can, perhaps I can't :) Mar 14 21:17:00 no you can't :> Mar 14 21:17:00 I tried :P Mar 14 21:17:14 doesn't play a ~500MB scene rip Mar 14 21:17:29 Arif_: GOD DAMN Why did you destroy my faith which I had for 720p HD ;) Mar 14 21:17:31 use the baeline x264 preset. main and high profile is bad idea Mar 14 21:17:50 I love ruining people's hopes =P Mar 14 21:17:59 Arif_: well you son of a ..... :D LOL Mar 14 21:18:04 xD Mar 14 21:18:06 but 350 mb scene xvid is enough :) Mar 14 21:18:17 those work fine :P Mar 14 21:19:17 Arif_: yeah, it is absolutely great. 1,5h lunch brakes now have a meaning ;) Mar 14 21:19:57 I hope KMplayer and Mplayer will improve soon Mar 14 21:20:05 its a pain streaming content...:P Mar 14 21:20:32 yeah, i can imagine that. i won't even try it until it becomes stable and some improvements at least are done Mar 14 21:20:45 it works Mar 14 21:20:46 could get maybe 10% extra out of newer mplayer Mar 14 21:20:58 but at the smallest hicup the video/audio gets out of sync Mar 14 21:21:04 and it takes 1+ minute to buffer Mar 14 21:21:36 And the buffer is like Mar 14 21:21:37 0 :D Mar 14 21:23:19 * Noobmonk3y blinks Mar 14 21:23:48 * Arif_ throws buffered media at Noobmonk3y Mar 14 21:24:28 * Noobmonk3y wants more buffered media :) Mar 14 21:24:34 Mh. What the maemo UI desperately needs is a wheel-type-of-popup to select values without using the keyboard. Mar 14 21:24:41 stay far away from moomo then Mar 14 21:24:42 :P Mar 14 21:24:59 as in, a wheel pops up and you can turn it to increase/decrease a value. Mar 14 21:25:02 spinboxes suck Mar 14 21:25:10 good idea :) Mar 14 21:25:23 and the dialog-type-of-picker doesn't really work well for more then a couple of items Mar 14 21:25:26 sleepy time, haven't had too much time for anything else this weekend except the N900 Mar 14 21:25:26 what about you can TYPE the value! Mar 14 21:25:29 but see you guys tomorrow Mar 14 21:25:38 Arif_: I said without keyboard. Mar 14 21:25:42 oh Mar 14 21:25:48 think the value! Mar 14 21:25:52 :) Mar 14 21:25:58 ttyl guys later Mar 14 21:25:58 make a hand gesture Mar 14 21:26:03 of the value :D Mar 14 21:26:07 shout at the phone? Mar 14 21:26:08 lol Mar 14 21:26:22 try and gesture 1484765? Mar 14 21:26:27 Arif_: yeah right. make use of the accelerometer to "draw" values into the air Mar 14 21:26:35 the front cam? Mar 14 21:26:36 :P Mar 14 21:26:40 :) Mar 14 21:26:54 write it on a piece of paper and let it OCR it Mar 14 21:26:54 :D Mar 14 21:26:59 select values by throwing your phone into the air, it will pick the value by cms Mar 14 21:26:59 write it on paper and scan it with the camera Mar 14 21:27:03 centimeters Mar 14 21:27:10 lol Mar 14 21:27:22 endless possibilities Mar 14 21:27:48 a virtual numberpad would be nice, too Mar 14 21:27:51 keep it simple! Mar 14 21:28:02 :) Mar 14 21:29:49 mhh. can't find a way in qt to make it automatically only accept number input for the spinbox (which only takes numbers anyway). So if someone wants to enter numbers (the only thing it takes), you still have to press "->" Mar 14 21:29:53 how stupid. Mar 14 21:34:23 actually, any spinbox should simply register drag events. when the user starts a drag on a spinbox, left and down should decrease the value, and right and up should increase it. Mar 14 21:40:06 * Arif_ goes and waits for someone to port a megadrive emulator Mar 14 21:47:20 Hi again Mar 14 21:47:29 One quick question about Internet connections Mar 14 21:47:31 hi Mar 14 21:48:03 oo Mar 14 21:48:04 I have set my Internet connections to my 3G flat rate and my home WiFi. There is nothing else in the list on available connections. I added them myself. Mar 14 21:48:43 it shows available wlan too... Mar 14 21:48:56 And I chose that it would automatically connect using WiFi and refresh state to "never". Mar 14 21:49:15 so what happens tomorrow when i go to work where there is WiFi? will it automatically connect to that WiFi ? Mar 14 21:49:31 it'll connect to your work wifi if you need it Mar 14 21:50:04 Yes, I know about that there is available WLAN when I choose which WLAN to use Mar 14 21:50:15 But of course I just use my own WLAN Mar 14 21:50:36 so it will *not* automatically connect to the work WiFi if I don't open the web? Mar 14 21:50:50 anything that uses internet really Mar 14 21:50:57 will automagically use your work wifi Mar 14 21:51:18 the reason I ask is because it is unprotected and no one is caring about security on that wifi Mar 14 21:51:44 I should change to "Ask always" option with the automatic connect to ? Mar 14 21:52:10 I have it set to 3G&Wifi Mar 14 21:52:15 so it'll just connect to anything it finds Mar 14 21:52:31 ok Mar 14 21:52:44 only annoying thing is it doesn't disconnect after you stop using the internet Mar 14 21:53:22 anyone Netherlander's around? Mar 14 21:53:23 i put so that it first takes hopefully my own wlan and it seems to do this because in Connections i have only my WiFi available as a "good" connection Mar 14 21:53:47 Arif_: yeah, i saw that it doesn't automatically disconnect. Mar 14 21:54:08 Klowner, I live there.... :p Mar 14 21:54:35 Arif_: so perhaps best to keep it so that it automatically connect to WiFi since it seems it chooses my own WiFi first because of the connections settings? Mar 14 21:54:41 Arif_: or how should I do? Mar 14 21:55:03 on wifi&3G it looks for wifi first Mar 14 21:55:08 then 3G if there's no wifi Mar 14 21:55:10 Arif_: I'm visiting there next month and I was wondering how difficult it would be for me to obtain a pre-paid SIM (primarily for data) for a couple weeks Mar 14 21:55:26 walk into a store and ask for one Mar 14 21:55:28 :P Mar 14 21:55:38 no need for any papers Mar 14 21:55:49 Arif_: do they have all the activation fees and such that I have to deal with in US? Mar 14 21:55:59 no Mar 14 21:56:11 that's so nice Mar 14 21:56:19 Arif_: ok, but when I keep it as WiFi automatically and it chooses my own WiFi at home it shouldn't choose any other WiFi I hope even though it automatically connects to WiFi first? It will then use my 3G if it doesn't find my own WiFi, correct? Mar 14 21:56:23 you can just pop it in, load some credit, usually comes with €10 and go Mar 14 21:56:52 stupid carriers here charge you $20 for "activation" on top of $50 for a month of pre-paid with unlimited calling/data Mar 14 21:57:07 DrGrov, it uses any unprotected wifi it finds Mar 14 21:57:13 or APNs you set Mar 14 21:57:17 if not 3G Mar 14 21:57:28 Klowner, prepaid data is pretty expensive though Mar 14 21:58:07 Arif_: any idea how much? roughly? Mar 14 21:58:23 Vodafone has a 250MB for €10 Mar 14 21:58:36 TMobile has a per day plan Mar 14 21:58:56 how much data do you need? Mar 14 21:59:17 I bet 500MB would be more than enough Mar 14 21:59:26 Arif_: it does that? it found unprotected WiFi when I choose my own connection manually. Mar 14 21:59:48 Arif_: but didn't use that. but i will switch it to ask always setting just in case. Mar 14 22:00:05 it will if it can't find any defined APNs Mar 14 22:01:16 Arif_: ok, so it will choose my work WiFi tomorrow even though it is not in my list? Mar 14 22:01:27 if its unprotected it will Mar 14 22:01:31 ok Mar 14 22:01:39 Klowner, Voda's deal is only 250MB for €10 Mar 14 22:01:40 so i will then do so that i switch it to ask manually Mar 14 22:01:49 other operators charge 2,50 a day Mar 14 22:02:15 i am a bit concerned about the security, that is why i keep it ask always or.... should I just use WiFi even though it is unprotected? Mar 14 22:02:16 2,50/day for unlimited? Mar 14 22:02:40 yes Mar 14 22:03:21 Arif_: any need to be concerned about security problems when using a unprotected WiFi ? Mar 14 22:03:38 only if you're paranoid Mar 14 22:03:38 ;P Mar 14 22:03:45 DrGrov: yeah, all your data is sent unencrypted. use ssh tunneling or vpn to do stuff Mar 14 22:04:13 there you go Mar 14 22:04:16 Arif_: stealing passwords is common practice in open wlans. and its _extremely_ easy. a child can pull it off. just sit in starbugs and sniff a few packets. Mar 14 22:04:19 Shapeshifter: ok, so i will switch the internet connection settings to manually ask me each friggin' time :D Mar 14 22:04:34 *starbucks Mar 14 22:05:05 Shapeshifter: perhaps ask always is the way to go? Mar 14 22:05:10 we barely have any open wifi here in Dutchland Mar 14 22:05:12 ={ Mar 14 22:05:43 DrGrov, I had it set to that and got really annoyed after 4 hours :D Mar 14 22:06:12 Arif_: ok, but I will keep at home my WiFi constantly on when I select it manually first ;) Mar 14 22:06:19 DrGrov: depends on what you need. I set it manually only. It's annoying when it switches to any open wlan, and I've got 3G turned off all the time anyway. When I get home and want to do anything special I switch to wlan. else I just leave it on GSM Mar 14 22:06:23 and for me it doesn't matter if my 3G is always on Mar 14 22:06:37 3G eats my battery alive. Mar 14 22:07:02 Shapeshifter: how do you mean "set it manually only" ? You can get the Internet connections to never try to connect? Mar 14 22:07:20 can't get through a day (8:00->20:00) with 3G turned on and normal usage :( Mar 14 22:07:36 Shapeshifter: I keep my one also locked in 2G all the time Mar 14 22:07:44 DrGov: me neither Mar 14 22:08:08 ok, i will switch it to never asking Mar 14 22:08:11 DrGrov: mhh, I mean "Always ask", yeah. I mean, it doesn't ask me at any time because I'm always connected anyway ;) Mar 14 22:08:13 and manually select it Mar 14 22:08:19 Arif_: when I get there I'll look around for a vodafone or t-mobile store, if it's as simple as asking them for a SIM with some credit and handing them some money I should be alright Mar 14 22:08:33 Arif_: thanks for the insight :) Mar 14 22:08:39 np =} Mar 14 22:08:48 TMobile=2,50 a day 384Kbit Mar 14 22:08:52 Voda=250MB for €10 Mar 14 22:08:58 but they're 3,6Mb Mar 14 22:09:33 Shapeshifter: so it works like this... When i have it at "Always ask" then it is good since it doesn't connect anywhere. Then when I come home and open the web it will automatically use my home WiFi since the APN is set in Connections? Mar 14 22:10:52 DrGrov: I think it wont switch to wlan automatically Mar 14 22:11:11 awww crap. the libalarm python bindings aren't complete -.- Mar 14 22:11:36 everything is crippled on this device. it doesn't even ship with ddate :P Mar 14 22:12:07 Arif_: are those prices in addition to a "basic" SIM? or can I just tell them all I need is a SIM with 250MB data credit? Mar 14 22:13:15 I don't know how much credit there is at the start Mar 14 22:13:25 but you just send a text to a number to activate mobile internet Mar 14 22:13:39 given you have €10 credit on your sim Mar 14 22:13:44 oh ok, cool Mar 14 22:15:34 stay away from Telfort/KPN/Hi btw Mar 14 22:15:38 they screw you over big time :D Mar 14 22:15:52 I've never even heard of them Mar 14 22:15:53 5,12€/MB Mar 14 22:15:57 yeowch Mar 14 22:16:16 ok, i will fix it Mar 14 22:16:18 as long as vodafone and tmob work with my N900 Mar 14 22:16:19 Shapeshifter: thanks for the help :) Mar 14 22:16:33 yeah stay with those Mar 14 22:16:34 xD Mar 14 22:16:36 ttyl guys, take care everyone Mar 14 22:33:06 who has figured how to add copy / paste to n900 terminal (not menu) Mar 14 22:33:13 kbd Mar 14 22:33:31 ctrl c/v foe eg Mar 14 22:33:33 ctrl-c ctrl-v ? Mar 14 22:34:08 to be fair, C-c and C-v do not work even in gnome-terminal Mar 14 22:36:25 any idea how i can make the music player rescan for music? Mar 14 22:37:00 aep: "tracker-processes -r" usually does the job Mar 14 22:38:09 aha thanks Mar 14 22:39:37 javispedro: my xterm maximises to fullscreen now Mar 14 22:39:56 which is nice but cannot paste anymore Mar 14 22:40:35 if you're editing the osso-xterm source, you could add the cut/copy paste buttons to the bottom bar Mar 14 22:42:19 there is no bar Mar 14 22:42:53 googlin Mar 14 22:46:39 pupnik: how do you tab/esc/etc.? Mar 14 22:46:45 on your modified osso-xterm Mar 14 22:47:25 pupnik: I mean the bottom toolbar, with the "select" button and all the virtual keys Mar 14 22:47:56 I want full-screen xstroke on xterm Mar 14 22:49:12 i killed the bottom toolbar and forgot how javispedro :) whenever i go fullscreen i get fullscreen Mar 14 22:49:27 xstroke? Mar 14 22:50:06 pupnik: shift ctrl v? Mar 14 22:50:48 thats atleast the default on gnome-terminal Mar 14 22:50:51 havent tested on the n900 one Mar 14 22:51:01 or if you can access insert key somehow Mar 14 22:51:04 then shift+insert Mar 14 22:51:14 oh, I learnt something today. Mar 14 22:51:39 .. doesn't seem to work in osso-xterm though :P Mar 14 22:51:42 "don't eat the yellow snow?" Mar 14 22:51:54 hey lcuk Mar 14 22:52:30 * lcuk awakes after first proper sleep in nearly a week Mar 14 22:53:52 lo lcuk o/ Mar 14 22:53:55 xstroke is just gestures for x programs, isn't it? http://davesource.com/Projects/xstroke/xstroke.txt Mar 14 22:54:08 hey frals \o Mar 14 22:54:24 xstroke? Mar 14 22:54:28 n Mar 14 22:54:28 nice name... Mar 14 22:54:29 you got weird sleeping times for living in the uk Mar 14 22:54:39 19:48 I want full-screen xstroke on xterm Mar 14 22:54:48 SpeedEvil wants it :P Mar 14 22:54:51 :D Mar 14 22:54:59 whatever floats his ....screen Mar 14 22:55:00 well, it seems to be fairly easy to port Mar 14 22:55:02 frals, i have had some horrid dental problems Mar 14 22:55:09 lcuk: oh, sucks :( Mar 14 22:55:16 which made sleeping difficult Mar 14 22:55:40 * lcuk managed to see a dentist on sunday morning tho.. Mar 14 22:56:02 xstroke is simple Mar 14 22:56:38 http://davesource.com/Projects/xstroke/ Mar 14 22:58:27 lcuk: getting better then :) Mar 14 22:59:01 just got a day off tomorrow instead of reporting my project... some nutjob threatned to go mental with a gun at my uni tomorrow Mar 14 22:59:05 seems so, elephant pills + sleep make me happy Mar 14 22:59:18 yikes Mar 14 22:59:28 frals: Ah - tor + voip - where would you be without it. Mar 14 23:00:00 one has to wonder if the guy might have a deadline tomorrow... Mar 14 23:00:06 s/have/have _had_ Mar 14 23:00:33 hehe, its exam week the coming week... ;) Mar 14 23:00:33 wouldnt be so bad if he was in the rifle shooting class, but i bet thats not the case Mar 14 23:01:01 did they catch the guy then frals Mar 14 23:01:06 or is just a random warning Mar 14 23:01:12 nope Mar 14 23:01:31 :S Mar 14 23:02:20 my uni got 4 different campuses spread over stockholm + suburbs thou and it didnt say which one was targeted Mar 14 23:02:37 and since im at one of the minor ones im pretty sure its safe, but rather safe than sorry so im staying home :P Mar 14 23:02:56 http://www.kth.se/aktuellt/1.56642?l=en_UK Mar 14 23:03:01 bonus points if they're kilometers apart Mar 14 23:04:08 "the President"? Mar 14 23:04:43 haha, says the principal in the swedish version :p Mar 14 23:05:12 ah, I learnt two things today Mar 14 23:05:46 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rector -- says calling it "the president" is somewhat common in the US Mar 14 23:06:02 * Arif_ yawns Mar 14 23:06:24 s/it/him Mar 14 23:07:05 school presidunt Mar 14 23:18:28 Hi, I'm currently trying to get some apps from devel and testing and those repositories seem offline... Is there any outage on the servers that host them? Mar 14 23:34:22 maemo repos down? Mar 15 00:02:00 er - was i banned in the channel? Mar 15 00:02:18 (03/15/2010 12:01:21 AM) guysoft22 left the room. Mar 15 00:02:21 because guysoft22 can't type here :-/ Mar 15 00:02:22 (12:02:00 AM) guysoft42: er - was i banned in the channel? Mar 15 00:02:53 SpeedEvil, yes, i wanted to change my nick and it said i could not because i am banned here.. Mar 15 00:03:06 SpeedEvil, i can't really seem to locate why Mar 15 00:03:10 did it actually say banned? Mar 15 00:03:10 that is due to the way freenode locks channels Mar 15 00:03:21 Or did it say unidentified? Mar 15 00:03:32 SpeedEvil, yes.. i can't post to channel from that nick Mar 15 00:03:33 you have to sometimes leave before identifying Mar 15 00:03:36 guysoft22, its the flags on the channel Mar 15 00:03:42 unregistered users cannot talk Mar 15 00:03:50 just leave maemo, identify, rejoin Mar 15 00:03:59 it is not a real ban Mar 15 00:04:05 its a censorship mode Mar 15 00:04:07 lcuk, yes, but i could not /nick and identify because it does not let banned users change nicks :) Mar 15 00:04:09 its silly, across all channels if i end up back in as lcuk2 i cannot identify without that stupid error Mar 15 00:04:11 .. a paradox! Mar 15 00:04:20 agreed Mar 15 00:04:23 just leave maemo, identify, rejoin Mar 15 00:04:26 * GeneralAntilles is baaaack Mar 15 00:04:30 * SpeedEvil steals guysofts pair of ducks, and bakes them. Mar 15 00:04:36 having to close and reopen loses scrollback andis annoying Mar 15 00:04:37 pupnik, was going to let me switch computers.. Mar 15 00:04:47 i already got scared someone was abusing my nick :) Mar 15 00:05:14 yay Mar 15 00:05:44 .. now all that is left is to actually code something for my nokia N810 :-/ Mar 15 00:20:39 where do I get vlc for the N900? Mar 15 00:31:31 internet I'd imagine Mar 15 00:35:30 imagine a girefaee Mar 15 00:37:04 haltdef: where on the internet? Mar 15 00:37:10 not sure Mar 15 00:37:11 :( Mar 15 00:38:12 ptl, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31802 Mar 15 00:38:15 is a lead Mar 15 00:38:22 google has results for vlc fremantle Mar 15 00:41:22 lcuk: I'll check, thanks Mar 15 00:41:28 I was just trololo'ed Mar 15 00:41:50 it is better than being rickrolled? Mar 15 00:42:13 erik__, you cannot talk because you are not registered Mar 15 00:43:13 done. Mar 15 00:43:15 hy guys Mar 15 00:43:36 I am writing some code for my n810 using gtk in c++ Mar 15 00:44:02 I am trying to figure out how to get my window to fullscreen when the button on the back is pressed Mar 15 00:44:04 oh Mar 15 00:44:06 it's in qole.org Mar 15 00:44:25 I thought there should be a property in a HildonWindow but I can not find it Mar 15 00:44:34 any idea where I should look for ? Mar 15 00:49:40 does somebody read me ? Mar 15 00:50:16 I do but I do not know the answer to your question, or I am lazy to think about it. Mar 15 01:20:17 is the repo down again x.x Mar 15 01:20:23 apt-get isnt working Mar 15 01:25:36 anyone O_o Mar 15 01:26:20 sorry, irc is down too Mar 15 01:27:29 pronto, testing seems to be down here. Mar 15 01:27:53 well i'm trying to install ffmpeg via apt-get, and keep getting 504 Mar 15 01:33:02 I waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant PR 1.2 :( no s/a+/a/ please Mar 15 01:43:01 Does anyone know how to pass a hildonwindow in fullscreen when the fullscreen button is triggered ? Mar 15 01:57:20 godrik: what OS Mar 15 02:01:23 hey, guys Mar 15 02:01:49 I just re-imaged my n810 getting ready for a trip.. Mar 15 02:02:16 it seems all the tableteer repos are not responding.. Mar 15 02:02:22 is anyone else seeing that? Mar 15 02:02:30 pupnik: it is for n810 Mar 15 02:02:36 so i think it is diablo Mar 15 02:05:09 hi guys Mar 15 02:05:29 godrik: maybe theres an existing diablo app that does what you want Mar 15 02:06:01 pupnik: I should have thought of that.. Mar 15 02:07:06 sorry i dont know the answer Mar 15 02:07:10 z.) Mar 15 02:07:31 that fine Mar 15 02:08:03 It is a little bit annoying because it seems a pretty classical feature and i can not find a faq/doc that describe that Mar 15 02:15:41 anyone? Mar 15 02:15:43 :) Mar 15 02:16:30 I can't install minigpsd because I can't get to the repos Mar 15 02:17:11 sorry I do not know Mar 15 02:19:29 Is there a 'standard' way to differenciate between maemo/hildon compilation and "classical" gtk ? Mar 15 02:19:48 or do people just put preprocessor definition themself to mae the difference ? Mar 15 02:43:26 Hi, is there a google reader enabled rss client for n900? Mar 15 02:44:51 . Mar 15 02:45:00 anyone with an N810 like to comment on the wifi quality of that device? work well, reception good, etc? Mar 15 02:46:19 Tobarja: I got a n810 and I have a pretty good wifi capabilities Mar 15 02:46:32 but GPS is kind of crappy Mar 15 02:46:57 n810 wifi worked better than my t42p Mar 15 02:47:18 ha... i read somewhere someone said they'd had their device for like a year and the GPS was still looking for itself Mar 15 02:47:50 godrik: work outside if you're still? or only if you're on top of a tall building with no clouds? Mar 15 02:47:59 If it is cloudy I am usually not getting a fix Mar 15 02:48:17 or it takes some times Mar 15 02:48:30 i'm not terribly concerned with that... as long as i can walk around my house and surf/irc/voip on wifi Mar 15 02:48:40 last time on a sunny day i activated a tracker application while driving Mar 15 02:48:54 and it got an accurate trajectory Mar 15 02:49:01 but took a few minute to get the first fix Mar 15 02:49:38 that should be ok Mar 15 02:50:25 I am living in a (cheap) appartment complet and got a wifi signal 20/30 meters from my front door Mar 15 02:50:37 I used to use it at my parent's in a 2 level house Mar 15 02:50:58 floor is done with concrete and I got signal from one floor to the other Mar 15 02:51:39 About bandwidth, I used skype once or twice at home through it Mar 15 02:52:40 i work from home and have to keep running back to my desk where the sip phone is ringing Mar 15 02:54:09 honestly if you are working from home, I would go with a mobile sip phone more than a n810... Mar 15 02:54:56 well... i am expecting one the end of the week, so we'll give it a whirl. if not, i'll put it right back up on ebay... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 15 02:59:56 2010