**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 18 02:59:56 2010 Mar 18 03:00:35 well, wether or not my homework is done, its time for bed. Mar 18 03:00:47 TTYL Mar 18 03:02:27 ttyl Mar 18 03:31:37 seen NanoNote? :p Mar 18 03:31:50 claims to be 100% open-- software to hardware Mar 18 03:31:54 clamshell handheld Mar 18 03:46:09 scroll up, we talked about it Mar 18 03:51:43 hmm Mar 18 03:52:02 if it had GSM, it might work as an X thinclient XD Mar 18 04:12:17 if it had a decent display :P Mar 18 04:12:25 .. and enough ram Mar 18 04:24:10 hey cehteh Mar 18 04:25:46 hi bay... going to bed Mar 18 04:27:46 ok Mar 18 04:31:56 hih Mar 18 04:32:01 .. Mar 18 04:40:12 Is it just me or did M$ just make winmo like an iphone but without the 100000 apps. Mar 18 04:40:34 m$ always successfully does only that Mar 18 04:40:55 their interview process is like "how much can u copy how fast" Mar 18 04:41:31 they basically broke the only interesting advantages they had Mar 18 04:49:04 incidentally these are identical to the things I like best about maemo Mar 18 04:51:20 * timeless_mbp grumbles Mar 18 04:51:25 * timeless_mbp looks for a finn Mar 18 04:55:59 :( Mar 18 04:56:02 no finns awake? Mar 18 05:00:59 how about someone who speaks English and can help me read a form? Mar 18 05:01:58 * timeless_mbp sighs Mar 18 05:02:02 * timeless_mbp hates these forms Mar 18 05:05:45 thank me for not youtubing how unresponsive thid thing is Mar 18 05:06:15 s/thid/this/ Mar 18 05:06:16 pupnik meant: thank me for not youtubing how unresponsive this thing is Mar 18 05:08:30 Nokia Australia are amazing: 'N900's for sale locally, we won't tell you where or for how much. You'll just have to ring every authorised retail shop in the country to find out' Mar 18 05:08:48 (to paraphrase http://bit.ly/aSRpve ) Mar 18 05:10:11 bleeter: nice Mar 18 05:11:05 * timeless_mbp cries Mar 18 05:11:08 help? Mar 18 05:11:22 how can i Mar 18 05:12:12 i'm trying to figure out how to get an appointment for a visa renewal Mar 18 05:12:24 and which kind of visa i'm eligible for Mar 18 05:13:06 seems quite ill, such stuff Mar 18 05:13:28 ill? Mar 18 05:14:13 some jerks deciding where you can schlepp your meat. making you dance Mar 18 05:15:01 timeless_mbp: visa for where? Mar 18 05:15:51 finland Mar 18 05:16:02 the forms and stuff are totally confusing Mar 18 05:16:04 http://www.poliisi.fi/poliisi/home.nsf/pages/B63A2851F718FAFBC2256EF40033A865?opendocument Mar 18 05:16:13 > Foreigners who have been issued with a residence permit with status A and who have entered Finland by 30 April 2004 may be issued with a permanent residence permit after a continuous residence of two years instead of four years. Mar 18 05:17:38 http://www.migri.fi/download.asp?id=JATKO%5FP%5FPEY%5FEn%5Fpdf;1804;{5CA99B13-E523-4BB9-801E-858F73C71C17} is i think the form related to the relevant document Mar 18 05:17:47 and it seems to say i have to have been a resident for 4 years Mar 18 05:18:05 i've been a resident for just under 4 years, i had a 1 year visa, and got a 3 year visa, which will expire shortly Mar 18 05:18:23 but it will obviously expire before i've been a resident for 4 whole years... Mar 18 05:35:05 i suffered through commodore basic (by bill), dos 1.0 and everything that followed Mar 18 05:36:03 i saw the abomination from israel called the 8088 Mar 18 05:37:20 some wounds never heal Mar 18 05:41:15 tekojo: halp? :( Mar 18 05:42:01 timeless_mbp what's up? Mar 18 05:42:15 timeless_mbp: there's a phone hotline mentioned in the metro trains regarding help with the systems of finland i think? Mar 18 05:42:20 i;m trying to navigate finnish immigration Mar 18 05:42:45 (saw some commercials) Mar 18 05:42:51 Stskeeps: i don't use metro often Mar 18 05:43:00 i'm walking distance to things Mar 18 05:47:42 take a finn with you and explain what yoi want Mar 18 05:48:40 "i work for xyz. please fix things so i can do that" Mar 18 05:49:02 i'm still kinda weirded out that polish immigration is saner than danish Mar 18 05:49:57 with the emphasis that it is their shit that is broken Mar 18 05:50:01 Well I work for ABC! Mar 18 05:52:00 the TV station or the Gas station? Mar 18 05:54:04 Both! Mar 18 05:54:11 Saves money on the uniform/stationary. Mar 18 06:02:48 Stskeeps the thing is that there is a changeover period for people moving from the 'new' EU countries to the 'old' ones Mar 18 06:02:56 yeah, i know Mar 18 06:03:01 that makes the rules in the old countries a mess Mar 18 06:03:13 i ran into it severely with my wife for a bit, the horror ended may last year Mar 18 06:04:24 but even for the changeover, the management of the work permits were unworthy of treating humans to it :) Mar 18 06:52:03 morn corsac Mar 18 06:53:40 heya Mar 18 06:53:58 Morning all ! Mar 18 06:56:44 how likely it would be to get chromuim on the N900? Mar 18 06:56:51 I know V8 supports ARM Mar 18 06:57:03 chromium uses webkit/GTK Mar 18 06:57:34 i think it s just require a dev that have interest in it Mar 18 06:58:03 is the maemo SDK working on 64bit yet Mar 18 06:58:10 or do I need to compile my own toolchain Mar 18 06:59:07 I think it's working. Mar 18 06:59:16 Although I'm not very sure, at all. Mar 18 06:59:26 I compiled my own toolchain for the N810 Mar 18 06:59:35 GCC 4.4 instead of maemo sdk's 3.4 :/ Mar 18 07:02:03 is maemo.org down? Mar 18 07:06:29 LiraNuna: not for me at leasts Mar 18 07:10:58 will the maemo 5 be ported to n800? Mar 18 07:11:18 Mer^2 is probably the closest we'll get Mar 18 07:12:25 umm, i am writing code in madde, in windows 7 .. . i included glib.h in my source file and "mad make" says it cant find glib.h Mar 18 07:12:28 thanks Mar 18 07:15:10 I herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power Mar 18 07:15:28 ?? Mar 18 07:28:54 how easy is it to brick an n800 Mar 18 07:30:04 fairly hard, if you have the bootloader fixes and avoid touching the bootloader code Mar 18 07:43:04 hm, for the gnubies in here.. GPLv2 linking with closed libraries, good/bad? Mar 18 07:45:54 you mean linking to or from closed libraries? Mar 18 07:47:13 well, let's say i have opengl libraries, they're naturally closed Mar 18 07:47:14 and then distributing the resultant binaries = bad Mar 18 07:47:51 i have my gpl'ed code and i link against them Mar 18 07:47:52 flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Mar 18 07:47:54 what now? Mar 18 07:47:59 TigerTael: install static version Mar 18 07:48:06 mmm? Mar 18 07:48:11 don't link to gpl in closed code Mar 18 07:48:16 well, yes Mar 18 07:48:20 Stskeeps, I don't understand... Mar 18 07:48:27 TigerTael: flasher-3.5-static Mar 18 07:48:35 oh, where can I find that? Mar 18 07:48:39 same place Mar 18 07:48:43 dmj726_n900: i was talking about my app linking to a closed lib Mar 18 07:48:58 gpl code can i think link *to* closed code Mar 18 07:48:58 Stskeeps, I don't see it. Mar 18 07:49:02 Stskeeps: are the headers open? Mar 18 07:49:33 lbt: another good question, i was just pondering in general Mar 18 07:49:35 though that would have drawbacks from a technical standpoint if not legal Mar 18 07:49:36 maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz <=- this? Mar 18 07:49:40 TigerTael: possibly Mar 18 07:49:59 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License#Linking_and_derived_works Mar 18 07:50:28 Has anyone had problems with localisation breaking down in N900? Every text string in my device's UI is something like "wdgt_va_veek", "wdgt_va_24h_time" etc Mar 18 07:50:40 Stskeeps, unpacked, same problem. Mar 18 07:50:45 if your GPL app wors on a platform Mar 18 07:50:59 and then you add closed libraries and the GPL app isn't modified Mar 18 07:51:09 but it works faster Mar 18 07:51:09 my N900 ran out of battery, I connected it to my pc with usb an turned back on, and there it is Mar 18 07:52:06 and the closed libs (GL) aren't derived from the gpl app but are a spec implementation Mar 18 07:52:12 then that sounds fine Mar 18 07:52:22 In the settings, my language has turned into "Dansk (Danmark)" and region into "Arabic (Bahran)", and I can't change them Mar 18 07:52:47 Mikho: that really sounds like two kinds of hell.. maybe your /home/user got screwed up? Mar 18 07:52:49 the foss app can link to the closed app, but the otherway is bad Mar 18 07:53:00 ok Mar 18 07:53:10 i was a bit confused since i see those connections quite often in maemo Mar 18 07:53:43 /home/user is there alright Mar 18 07:54:36 I'm not sure how to google for this problem Mar 18 07:57:02 apt-get install strace Mar 18 08:00:43 in the "cpal_ti_language_and_regional_title" application, I set the "cpal_fi_pr_device_language" into "English (UK)", then press the "wdgtbdsave" button Mar 18 08:01:23 it asks "cpal_nc_changing_language" from me, to which I answer by pressing the "wdgtbdyes" button, upon which the device reboots Mar 18 08:01:34 but nothing has changed Mar 18 08:02:38 anyone have any idea what I could try to fix it? I'm kinda stumped Mar 18 08:02:40 Mikho: did you install strace? Mar 18 08:03:18 Blah... Mar 18 08:03:58 package strace is not available, but is referred to by another package Mar 18 08:04:11 it's probably in extras-devel or tools Mar 18 08:04:41 sudo gainroot Mar 18 08:04:44 vi /etc/osso-af-init/locale Mar 18 08:04:50 change whatever Mar 18 08:04:52 :wq Mar 18 08:04:54 reboot Mar 18 08:05:16 i'd recommend en_US Mar 18 08:05:20 (along w/ my own translation) Mar 18 08:05:39 everything is en_GB Mar 18 08:05:57 did you get an upgrade to 1.2 or something similarly stupid? Mar 18 08:06:05 I didn't do anything Mar 18 08:06:20 my n900 just ran out of battery Mar 18 08:06:31 then I connected it into my pc and turned back on Mar 18 08:06:36 boom Mar 18 08:07:00 ok, i've sent you a link and instructions Mar 18 08:07:09 "boom" as in explosion or "boom" as in broken? Mar 18 08:07:13 if it "fixes" your problem, then i can walk you through further analysis Mar 18 08:07:39 more like "tada, i got rid of all your strings, you didn't need them anyway, they sucked, it was for your own good" Mar 18 08:12:55 Okay, well, I used the virtual image to flash my phone... Mar 18 08:13:45 X86_64 is definitely a headache. Mar 18 08:13:51 For the SDK anyway. Mar 18 08:17:28 ok, i need a nokian to help me Mar 18 08:17:36 the nokia intranet is apparently incompatible with my n900 Mar 18 08:21:21 requires internet explorer 4? ;) Mar 18 08:23:31 hi anyone knows a sync mehtod using php? Mar 18 08:31:19 * noobmonk3y winges..... hurry up autobuilder :D Mar 18 08:32:02 noobmonk3y: What are you building? Mar 18 08:32:48 naaa, its the package promotion from testing to maemo-downloads Mar 18 08:32:53 :D :D Mar 18 08:32:58 no idea if it is auto or not Mar 18 08:33:08 Ah, well there is no builder involved there. Mar 18 08:33:20 darn!! - now who do i blame :D :D :D Mar 18 08:33:31 (i am joking, just in case.... lol) Mar 18 08:33:40 You just see the 30 minute cache in the network. And the fact that the importer runs twice per hour. Mar 18 08:33:58 ahaaaaa Mar 18 08:34:06 ok that makes sense Mar 18 08:34:15 also wasnt sure when the 10 day effect hits.... Mar 18 08:34:43 Package is in testing System 2010-03-08 11:45 UTC Or..... Mar 18 08:34:56 build time - 2010-03-08 08:19 UTC Mar 18 08:35:15 so i'd be expecting it with 22 thumbs up to go through at some point today? Mar 18 08:35:18 noobmonk3y: Promotion + 10 days of course. Mar 18 08:35:30 ahhhh ok :D Mar 18 08:35:39 when was it promoted? Mar 18 08:35:41 noobmonk3y: But you will receive an email. Mar 18 08:35:59 mece - promoted to extras testing on 2010-03-08 11:45 Mar 18 08:36:02 oooo Mar 18 08:36:04 email :D Mar 18 08:36:12 thanks X-Fade Mar 18 08:36:13 :D Mar 18 08:37:36 lol - just checked my phone bill Mar 18 08:37:40 it should be a given, but do confirm at least 3 of the thumbs ups are in the testing squad :p Mar 18 08:37:42 oh boy, now we are starting to see apps compiled with qt 4.7 in extras-devel :( Mar 18 08:37:44 Available at the start of this month Mar 18 08:37:44 600 minutes Mar 18 08:38:00 nid0 - not sure, but i think they are Mar 18 08:38:07 used minutes - 5 minutes 47 seconds Mar 18 08:38:10 fcrozat: Only in the fremantle-1.2 repo. Mar 18 08:38:26 X-Fade: in the default extras-devel Mar 18 08:38:32 oooo is there? Mar 18 08:38:33 I just checked this morning Mar 18 08:38:35 intttttruiging Mar 18 08:38:53 fcrozat: Well, yes extras-devel is expected to be unstable anyway ;) Mar 18 08:38:55 morning Mar 18 08:39:13 morning hrw Mar 18 08:41:43 aaw damn Mar 18 08:41:54 samba packages appear borked Mar 18 08:42:54 someone wanna tell me how to get a bus from nokia to nokia house? :) Mar 18 08:46:19 * timeless_mbp sighs @bug 5551 Mar 18 08:46:22 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5551 stage.maemo.org's certificate expired Mar 18 08:46:34 the cert only expired half a year ago Mar 18 08:47:21 i thought stage was dead Mar 18 08:47:26 timeless_mbp: Not supported anymore. Mar 18 08:47:38 well, remove the ssl configuration! Mar 18 08:47:52 * timeless_mbp is kinda surprised by https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=552157 Mar 18 08:47:53 Bug 552157: was not found. Mar 18 08:47:59 * timeless_mbp kicks dumbbot Mar 18 08:48:18 the ovi team actually indicated where they claim to do dev work for a product Mar 18 08:48:24 that seems to be information disclosure :) Mar 18 08:49:43 http://www.hel.fi/wps/portal/HKL_en/?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/HKL/en/Etusivu Mar 18 08:49:56 the link to Journey Planner took me to a Finnish page Mar 18 08:49:58 … good job Mar 18 08:56:25 Morning, all Mar 18 08:58:01 Morning Mar 18 09:09:30 In bugs.maemo.org , who can get the "canconfirm" permission? Mar 18 09:09:58 Appiah: Proven community members, I guess. Mar 18 09:10:12 proven? Mar 18 09:10:39 Appiah: People who have shown that they know what they are talking about and have been around for a while? Mar 18 09:10:57 On the bugzilla only Mar 18 09:11:11 or is that across talk,garage and all that Mar 18 09:13:03 Appiah: Mostly bugzilla as that makes most sense. But a look at someone's karma page usually gives an impression. Mar 18 09:13:18 I see Mar 18 09:13:49 No real strict rules afaik. Just do your thing and earn your stripes ;) Mar 18 09:13:49 Well till then I guess I'll just vote for the bugs and type a message saying that I can confirm/get the same problem Mar 18 09:13:56 :) Mar 18 09:14:20 thats helpful as well, afaik a bug only needs 3 votes to be confirmed anyway Mar 18 09:14:51 People confirming a bug by reproducing is always useful. Mar 18 09:17:56 people following up with a patch where possible is not frowned upon either :D Mar 18 09:18:50 Appiah, don't write a message unless you have something to add. A "me too" is not needed, as the vote itself says that. Mar 18 09:20:29 what is useful is a narrower definition of the bug, cases where it does/doesn't happen Mar 18 09:34:39 mece ofcourse I didnt just write "me too" I had something to add :D Mar 18 09:35:00 just added some info about having the same problem on different version Mar 18 09:47:53 In cases where the first comment is developer stating 'works for me' the me-toos are important a lot Mar 18 09:53:16 * noobmonk3y has an ear ache :( Mar 18 09:53:31 Stop sticking the stylus in your ear. Mar 18 09:53:32 ~juggle Arif_ Mar 18 09:53:34 lol Mar 18 09:53:41 Tiger..... you figured it out Mar 18 09:53:49 I hate earaches. ;/ Mar 18 09:54:08 i don't get the offten, this one is odd, only hurts with pressure it seems, so if i dont touch my ear, it's kinda ok Mar 18 09:54:16 them often* Mar 18 09:54:30 Need some anti-bacterial/anaesthetic stuff. Mar 18 09:55:10 yeah :( Mar 18 09:55:24 you woulda thought, working for the health service i should be able to find some somewhere lol Mar 18 09:58:16 sounds more like you should just stop touching your ear. Mar 18 09:59:38 I agree =) Mar 18 10:04:15 Hi all, was wondering if there was any documentation on entering tasks in pimlico "tasks" — I'm using it on GNOME and trying to find an easier way of setting a priority and due date than adding a task->changing properties->save, if there is on Mar 18 10:04:16 e Mar 18 10:29:19 :O Mar 18 10:29:26 I don't like being juggled at 10 in the morning :( Mar 18 10:32:02 lol Mar 18 10:32:07 prefer it at 9 in the morning? Mar 18 10:32:26 supertramp: sorry, no idea Mar 18 10:32:42 meh wrong super, i meant supervacuo Mar 18 10:33:00 omg it's hard being me, lol Mar 18 10:33:24 i wonder how clever infobot is? lol Mar 18 10:33:29 ~What is the meaning of life? Mar 18 10:33:31 I think you lost me on that one, noobmonk3y Mar 18 10:33:37 noobmonk3y: No probs, thanks for replying. Any thoughts on where else I could ask? Mar 18 10:33:37 meh - too early for info Mar 18 10:33:52 noobmonk3y, infobot is god Mar 18 10:34:21 ~Infobot, are you god? Mar 18 10:34:45 see, just like god - the strong silent type Mar 18 10:35:01 lol good point Mar 18 10:35:09 supervacuo: Hmmmmmmm can only see code around, no guides Mar 18 10:35:32 but lcuk is infobot's love child, he may be able to help :D Mar 18 10:35:39 noobmonk3y: Well, off I go to read the source then.... Mar 18 10:36:53 supervacuo: http://pimlico-project.org/tasks.html ... meh, pity they haven't got a forum etc Mar 18 10:37:25 * noobmonk3y prods the healthcheck app... not long to goooooooooooooo wohooooooooo Mar 18 10:38:00 lcuk: I started on "Pull my finger" so far, got a picture of a hand, when you press it, it farts... need to learn how to drag it, how to increase volume when dragged and how to snap it back :D Mar 18 10:38:33 lol Mar 18 10:39:00 * noobmonk3y smiles Mar 18 10:39:49 On the N900 is there no way to tell how long a recent call was? Mar 18 10:39:54 I can only find the total timers Mar 18 10:40:17 There is an advanced call logger in one of the repo's Mar 18 10:40:20 extended call log app Mar 18 10:40:22 will help there Mar 18 10:40:27 I see Mar 18 10:40:29 * noobmonk3y thanks nidO Mar 18 10:40:52 think that should be included >_> Mar 18 10:40:52 not as good as a karma thank, but none the less, a thank :D Mar 18 10:40:59 included in what? - maemo? Mar 18 10:41:10 meh - an app is an app, Mar 18 10:41:55 just karmathank a random post of mine imo!:D Mar 18 10:42:06 hehehe Mar 18 10:42:49 noobmonk3y, this is an interesting concept application Mar 18 10:42:56 the call information Mar 18 10:42:57 could you do a chorus by pulling multiple fingers? Mar 18 10:43:17 been kind of stanard for all old cell phones I've used Mar 18 10:44:26 anyone knows a source code for sync php-symbian-maemo Mar 18 10:45:07 syncmlll: I don't understand what you're asking. What does php have to do with syncing? Mar 18 10:45:36 i want to programming a new notes and sync this notes with a own php aplication Mar 18 10:46:08 oooo a chorus Mar 18 10:46:17 ok, will get one finger working first........ Mar 18 10:46:27 no idea ig gstreamer can play more then one file at a time? Mar 18 10:46:30 Extended call log does not seam to include this information Mar 18 10:46:31 if* Mar 18 10:46:43 I'll look around Mar 18 10:49:16 lcuk: could do with some liq - n900 linking to create the chorus :D hehe Mar 18 10:50:37 hi all, when I try to connect to a home "router" I see the N900 asks for an address, then the dhcp server responds, but the N900 keeps asking for an address Mar 18 10:50:45 how may I debug the udhcp? Mar 18 10:51:36 noobmonk3y, i keep wondering how to use qwidgets for liq* :) Mar 18 10:51:43 cityLights: tcpdump Mar 18 10:52:10 :D lol.... gonna work on a devel version off it in a few weeks will chuck the code across to you when it's working :D Mar 18 10:52:42 hm, how to add USB networking to connman? Mar 18 11:02:05 noobmonk3y, :) in your own time, play in the forums tho, fart apps are more than welcome lol Mar 18 11:03:00 can i without problems remove everything in /var/cache/apt/archives? Mar 18 11:03:08 what the n900 needs for mass-market adoption is more porn apps more desperately than fart apps imo! Mar 18 11:03:12 get cracking noobmonk3y! Mar 18 11:03:36 E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. Mar 18 11:03:43 FIQ: apt-get clean is the safe way. Mar 18 11:03:59 nidO, porn apps are more than catered for by a fully featured flash friendly browser Mar 18 11:03:59 i did that Mar 18 11:04:04 still fails Mar 18 11:04:04 ok, I have dummy network in connman (and, sure, usbnet is working) Mar 18 11:04:15 but there is no way to setup proxy Mar 18 11:04:15 lol nidO - 1 app at a time.... people need fart apps to releive themselves while there are no porn apps....... Mar 18 11:04:20 FIQ: Then your rootfs is just not large enough ;) Mar 18 11:04:20 openarena failed to install Mar 18 11:04:25 actually a lot of porn sites are kinda cumbersome to browse on the phone, needs a dedicated app! Mar 18 11:04:30 FIQ: Use Application Manager. Mar 18 11:04:30 because dummy network acts like WiFi :( Mar 18 11:04:39 ok Mar 18 11:04:53 FIQ: apt-get downloads on the root partition. AM on the user one. Mar 18 11:05:06 ah Mar 18 11:05:20 You can also just link it to somewhere else of course. Mar 18 11:05:28 well, then openarena would fail anyway Mar 18 11:05:32 but ehm Mar 18 11:05:54 nidO, you do the testing then Mar 18 11:05:56 nidO: it is my definite belief that what n900 needs is more fart-pr0n apps! Mar 18 11:06:01 im too busy Mar 18 11:06:05 as package manager can handle it, the terminal also should be able to do it? Mar 18 11:06:18 sure, you write the app and I have plenty of free time to test it :D Mar 18 11:06:22 FIQ: Like I said, if you change the settings or create a link, sure. Mar 18 11:06:26 nidO: :D Mar 18 11:07:48 mm Mar 18 11:07:50 breakfast Mar 18 11:08:19 *lunch* Mar 18 11:08:31 soon home! Mar 18 11:09:47 soon uni! Mar 18 11:09:51 well Mar 18 11:09:54 I leave at 13:40 Mar 18 11:09:54 :D Mar 18 11:10:03 student life's hard eh. Mar 18 11:10:18 yea Mar 18 11:10:19 :) Mar 18 11:10:36 i started work at 8:30 this morning :( Mar 18 11:10:45 meant getting up at 8:25, so unreasonable. Mar 18 11:11:17 you work at home? Mar 18 11:11:21 yeah Mar 18 11:11:32 oo Mar 18 11:11:36 tea whenever you want! Mar 18 11:11:50 aka never, but plenty of coffee! Mar 18 11:12:00 except im out of milk :< Mar 18 11:12:01 mh Mar 18 11:12:20 I prefer Turkish tea over anything Mar 18 11:12:21 :D Mar 18 11:12:33 Is there and how do I install the rsvg package? I am trying to run a python gtk program and am trying to fill all the requirements :D Mar 18 11:12:45 * Arif_ >>MediaPlayer Classic<< [South.Park.S14E01.720p.HDTV.X264-DIMENSION.mkv] - [03:14 / 21:45] - [559.1MB (~438.71KB/s) - n/a - N/A] Mar 18 11:13:04 no spoilers, watching that soon Mar 18 11:13:15 it's drawn! Mar 18 11:13:29 and there's beeps in it :O Mar 18 11:14:36 craptv Mar 18 11:14:59 I've noticed comedy cntral have some of the worst comedies heh Mar 18 11:15:02 +e Mar 18 11:15:23 Comedy Central airs something else than SouthPark? Mar 18 11:15:29 unfortunately Mar 18 11:15:34 I found the program in the n900 with apt-cache search Mar 18 11:15:37 * haltdef tries a new show Mar 18 11:15:38 haltdef: eye of the storm: all the funny stuff happens away from the center Mar 18 11:15:41 ;) Mar 18 11:15:43 but how do I install the program from there? Mar 18 11:15:45 is there a developer maemo channel perhaps? Mar 18 11:15:48 wut Mar 18 11:16:01 rsvg is what I am wanted to get, prolly with a buch of other python gtk stuff Mar 18 11:16:03 Tuxprobe: here, or #maemo-devel - but the latter is a bit more quiet Mar 18 11:16:10 we don't have Comedy Central Mar 18 11:16:11 :( Mar 18 11:16:15 Tuxprobe: #qt-maemo might be relevant too Mar 18 11:16:59 k. im looking for help with setting up my configure.ac Mar 18 11:17:20 it does not recognize the app.desktop nor com.nokia.app.service files Mar 18 11:17:32 therefore they're not packaged in Mar 18 11:19:06 * w00t isn't any good with that, unfortunately Mar 18 11:19:10 * noobmonk3y is back Mar 18 11:19:24 * noobmonk3y is intruiged...... Mar 18 11:19:38 qt 4.7 is extras... so i should be able to start developing 4.7 apps? Mar 18 11:20:44 noobmonk3y: Qt4.7 will never be in Extras. Mar 18 11:20:57 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/python2.5-qt4/ ? Mar 18 11:21:09 or is that just a demo? Mar 18 11:21:20 You read 2 different things ;) Mar 18 11:21:32 The python bindings are version 4.7 Mar 18 11:21:33 ahhhh - no change there then Mar 18 11:21:39 That is not for Qt4.7 Mar 18 11:21:39 gotcha :D Mar 18 11:21:46 that makes sense Mar 18 11:22:15 Anyway, all experimental Qt versions will be locked into extras-devel. Mar 18 11:22:22 :D Mar 18 11:22:31 And have a different name (qt4-maemo5) Mar 18 11:22:51 Once they get integrated in a release their name changes to plain qt4. Mar 18 11:23:02 ahhhh cheers X-Fade Mar 18 11:23:11 qt4.7 test packages are available, noobmonk3y Mar 18 11:23:26 i will go and investigate :D Mar 18 11:23:26 I don't think they're in extras(-*) yet, but they exist Mar 18 11:23:30 * burchr finds a link Mar 18 11:23:33 ooOOooo Mar 18 11:23:38 http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/03/17/experimental-qt-47-packages-for-the-n900/ Mar 18 11:23:52 Yes, but they will come to extras-devel after PR1.2 release. Mar 18 11:24:03 X-Fade: of course, but if he wants to experiment.. Mar 18 11:24:27 burchr: Yeah, always fun :) Mar 18 11:24:30 can we wait to push the 4.7 stuff until the 4.6 is out :p Mar 18 11:24:38 lcuk: of course not Mar 18 11:24:57 is there python rsvg wrappers for n900? Mar 18 11:25:51 (technically, 4.6 *is* out, maemo is just slow there :P) Mar 18 11:26:09 hehehe Mar 18 11:26:54 I suppose PIL as well Mar 18 11:31:08 hm Mar 18 11:31:21 hmm Mar 18 11:31:23 phototranslator in -devel now, that's one damn handy looking app Mar 18 11:31:25 south park was Mar 18 11:31:27 interesting Mar 18 11:33:50 does look very impressive nidO Mar 18 11:34:10 phototranslate? Mar 18 11:34:18 yep Mar 18 11:34:19 does it OCR and send to google? :P Mar 18 11:34:23 nope Mar 18 11:34:29 it ocr's and uses internal language packs Mar 18 11:34:38 oo Mar 18 11:34:44 I should try it out Mar 18 11:34:49 I needed an OCR program.. Mar 18 11:35:02 translations are probably not as good as google would manage but the aim seems to be mainly for when you're abroad and want to know what signs etc mean Mar 18 11:35:10 its reasonably accurate give or take a few simple issues - very very impressed Mar 18 11:35:14 so it needs to do translations locally rather than stinging for roaming charges Mar 18 11:35:28 Hmm - Anyone remember where the config file for which sounds is available for messages/emails/im (Conversations) is? Mar 18 11:43:31 where is gconf directory? Mar 18 11:43:59 var/lib/gconf Mar 18 11:44:06 thanks Mar 18 11:45:13 hi does anyone know to get around the headphones not being detected bug? Mar 18 11:46:23 Hmm - Anyone remember where the config file for which sounds is available for messages/emails/im (Conversations) is? Mar 18 11:46:55 Mikho: timeless: (locale) this sounds pretty much similar to the issue I got on N810 and asked timeless how to cure it several times Mar 18 11:48:09 fi-tana-home, fi-tana-home-thumbnail, rather than a simple "Home" icon Mar 18 11:48:55 (actual names may differ, got it from my cloudy memory) Mar 18 11:50:52 openstandards: afaik that's a hw issue Mar 18 11:51:33 DocScrutinizer, i've been reading a thread that suggests its a software issue Mar 18 11:51:39 Morning, all Mar 18 11:52:08 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=559272 DocScrutinizer Mar 18 11:52:09 mornin Mar 18 11:52:52 DocScrutinizer, also its very flakey like it detects it then sometimes it doesn't Mar 18 11:54:12 hw issue Mar 18 11:54:42 so my 3 week n900 is messed up already? Mar 18 11:55:06 probably has been from very minute of birth Mar 18 11:55:38 openstandards: Reflash. If that doesn't work, send it to service. Mar 18 11:55:46 thats shite considering its one of the most expensive phones on the market Mar 18 11:55:47 exactly Mar 18 11:55:53 And don't install everything you find from extras-devel ;) Mar 18 11:56:23 openstandards: All devices have their flaws Mar 18 11:56:38 That's why there's the warranty. Mar 18 11:56:40 openstandards: a Toyota is much more expensive ;-P Mar 18 11:56:46 yeah but this is a major flaw Mar 18 11:57:00 openstandards: Send it to service. It's free. Mar 18 11:57:07 i've taken out insurance anyway Mar 18 11:57:10 mornin ccooke Mar 18 11:59:18 ok i gotta go wedding time cyas all and thanks for the help Mar 18 11:59:47 * noobmonk3y just promoted healthcheck... again....again... lol Mar 18 11:59:53 openstandards: there've been older threads in tmo regarding the issue Mar 18 12:00:04 openstandards: you might want to find those Mar 18 12:00:29 ahhh is it relating to the socket of the n900? Mar 18 12:01:12 yep Mar 18 12:01:20 damn Mar 18 12:01:25 is it possible to run kismet with maemo? Mar 18 12:01:26 also there's a ticket on trac Mar 18 12:01:40 silferme, i believe its being worked on Mar 18 12:02:09 is there any place on wiki.maemo.org with tips for improving the performance of the N900? Couldn't find it Mar 18 12:02:11 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6360 Mar 18 12:02:12 Bug 6360: Headset problems Mar 18 12:02:50 silferme, http://www.neopwn.com/ will be including it when its ready Mar 18 12:06:46 btw Mar 18 12:06:50 no speech2text for the N900? Mar 18 12:06:55 wow 5,031,846 downloads in maemo5........ Mar 18 12:07:07 erm, there is espeak isnt there? dont know much about it Mar 18 12:07:53 http://maemo.org/packages/view/espeak/ Mar 18 12:08:08 oh otehr way round Mar 18 12:08:09 sorry Mar 18 12:08:11 meh Mar 18 12:08:16 openstandards: anyway you *really* should try with another headset - by any means. Go to a shop and tell them you want to test an new one before buying. Odds are your headset is borked Mar 18 12:09:19 especially since you stated it works with a 3-pole jack Mar 18 12:11:33 DocScrutinizer, how did you manage to repair the locale? We couldn't find a solution Mar 18 12:11:49 openstandards: see, N900 detects for resistance from mic (3rd contact) to ground (4th contact) to tell apart standard 3pole cables/headphones, headsets with mic, and AV-cable that came with your N900 Mar 18 12:12:05 Mikho: I didn't :-( Mar 18 12:12:37 timeless had a lot of good advice which all didn't help Mar 18 12:13:20 my nokia headset is lost Mar 18 12:13:25 I lost it somewhere around my house Mar 18 12:14:02 luckily I seen that shit only on home icon in taskswitcher, and on "loading app" notifier. And now I mostly retired my N810 ;-P Mar 18 12:15:26 ptl: get a new one, they are 5 bucks at random all-you-get-from-china stores Mar 18 12:16:15 chances are you get a better one than the Nokia original, for 7 bucks ;-P Mar 18 12:18:39 maemo forums down? :\ Mar 18 12:18:42 nope Mar 18 12:18:46 just refreshed, seems ok Mar 18 12:18:50 but it is a yoyo lol Mar 18 12:18:59 can't seem to load it here :P Mar 18 12:19:04 Doesn't respond for me. Mar 18 12:19:37 doh - next refresh failed Mar 18 12:19:43 http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/talk.maemo.org It's not just you! http://talk.maemo.org looks down from here. Mar 18 12:19:45 yoyo.meamo.org i say Mar 18 12:20:06 lol - healthcheck promotion killed maemo... not suprising really ;) Mar 18 12:20:13 it seems to be becoming almost daily now :< Mar 18 12:20:16 yeah :( Mar 18 12:20:47 770 farm needs to recharge batteries ;-P Mar 18 12:21:06 Does anyeone have the commands for sending jabber-messages via command line or script ? Mar 18 12:21:08 ah there we go, working now Mar 18 12:21:45 OHAI Mar 18 12:21:49 Only 1100 people reading now ;) Mar 18 12:22:04 how can i make some connection automatic in icd? Mar 18 12:22:12 xt: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS if there's nottin then I dunno Mar 18 12:22:14 like, if there is a usb cable plugged in, do it. Mar 18 12:22:25 (i'm using libicd-network-usb, yeah) Mar 18 12:22:47 X-Fade: reading what? Mar 18 12:22:48 btw noobmonk3y Mar 18 12:23:08 DocScrutinizer: but with the antenna? Mar 18 12:23:14 yes nidO ? Mar 18 12:23:20 ptl: ??? Mar 18 12:23:22 DocScrutinizer: when I use it, I like to listen to the radio Mar 18 12:23:36 DocScrutinizer: it's close, but I can't extrapolate from that to what I need :( Mar 18 12:23:36 the "australian firmware" listed in navifirm is still just the global firmware, all navifirm got updated with is the various product id's assigned to each country Mar 18 12:23:39 ptl: ahh headset. any will do Mar 18 12:23:40 DocScrutinizer: the earphones... Mar 18 12:23:46 DocScrutinizer: nokia earphones have a radio antenna in it, isn't it? Mar 18 12:23:53 really? Mar 18 12:23:56 yep Mar 18 12:24:14 lemme try then, I have a few handsets here Mar 18 12:24:16 Some people have reported better success with non-headset headphones :-) Mar 18 12:24:40 *headsets Mar 18 12:24:48 ptl: they don't _have_ an antenna, they _are_ the antenna Mar 18 12:24:50 original hs sucks Mar 18 12:24:56 lol fair enough nidO Mar 18 12:25:40 hmmm i like my original hs, would be useful if the rocker did something though Mar 18 12:25:40 any suitably - good quality wire may act as an FM antena Mar 18 12:25:47 hello Mar 18 12:25:51 lo chiku00 Mar 18 12:25:51 :) Mar 18 12:25:59 ShadowJK: sure, as there 3 and 4 are short Mar 18 12:26:18 easier to detect Mar 18 12:26:26 * timeless sighs Mar 18 12:26:49 it works... nice! I always thought it needed special hardware Mar 18 12:26:54 on the headphones Mar 18 12:26:57 :-) Mar 18 12:26:59 so, getting a visa renewed is hard Mar 18 12:27:08 erminig gives exception and doesn't work.. Mar 18 12:27:34 seems like EPIC FAIL with syncing. fucking internet device. Mar 18 12:27:53 ? Mar 18 12:28:06 so when're you expecting your app to get promoted noobmonk3y Mar 18 12:28:06 is there a way to just reset my N900 to "factory defaults", restoring the device the way it was when I took it out of the box, or do I have to reflash it completely? Mar 18 12:28:11 timeless: I seen guys traveling from Taipei to Frankfurt, to get a visa for mainland China. go figure Mar 18 12:28:17 hehe Mar 18 12:28:20 factory defaults :)) Mar 18 12:28:38 control panel's title has a menu item Mar 18 12:28:48 might not be the right thing to call it on a device like this but still :P Mar 18 12:28:48 it might or might not do what you want Mar 18 12:28:52 "exchange syncing" fails to sync contacts, and can sync only 1 calendar. ermining fails with exception. Mar 18 12:28:59 nid0 - hit the promote button, so 45 mins maybe? Mar 18 12:29:19 rmrfchik: what's your server and is this mfe? Mar 18 12:29:30 google is my server Mar 18 12:29:37 healthcheck 0.6.0-5 Fremantle Extras free armel Package is stable Mar 18 12:29:39 eeeeeeeeek Mar 18 12:29:39 timeless: I looked there, but couldn't seem to find it :P Mar 18 12:29:47 eeeeeeek in a good way that is Mar 18 12:29:53 and it nice to sync contacts with local linu xbox Mar 18 12:29:58 iiuc there should be improvements in 1.2 Mar 18 12:29:59 * Arif_ wobbles off to school Mar 18 12:30:11 note that we never claimed google support Mar 18 12:30:18 ~Wobble Arif_ Mar 18 12:30:19 * infobot pushes Arif_ so that he wobbles like file Mar 18 12:30:24 =D Mar 18 12:30:30 awwwwwww Mar 18 12:30:32 there's a thread on tmo where one of the authors of the ms exchange support talks Mar 18 12:30:33 have fun Arif_ Mar 18 12:30:35 their impl of mfe is 'special', just like their impl of imap is 'special' Mar 18 12:30:37 thanks :p Mar 18 12:30:40 bb Mar 18 12:30:51 did you actually tap the titlebar? Mar 18 12:31:06 it isn't in an icon entry, it's in the app's menu Mar 18 12:31:24 aah thanks, I see it now :) Mar 18 12:31:34 :) Mar 18 12:32:04 * timeless waits futily Mar 18 12:32:07 hmm asks me for a code, which I don't have :P Mar 18 12:32:16 12345? Mar 18 12:32:25 did you check the manual? Mar 18 12:32:34 nope I didn't Mar 18 12:33:05 ironically, to reset to defaults, you either need to know a default Mar 18 12:33:23 or you need to know the value to which a default was changed :) Mar 18 12:34:31 timeless: why to blame google? stop talking about "Exchange syncing" and implement "Google syncing" Mar 18 12:34:50 fuck the microsoft shit, never used it, and hope never will Mar 18 12:35:06 rmrfchik: why don't *you* implement google sync? Mar 18 12:35:12 well I haven't really looked into the structure of the partitions etc, but on my old winmo device, it had a ROM that wouldn't ever be changed unless you reflashed the device to a new ROM.. so to "reset it to factory defaults" all you had to do was to wipe the flash memory from it :P Mar 18 12:35:26 I bet it's because the syncing people have previously only written stuff for business users :) Mar 18 12:35:26 yeah... sure. pay $1k for brik. Mar 18 12:35:28 someone use qtirreco? Mar 18 12:35:29 good choice Mar 18 12:35:30 note that google ToS will be worth reading Mar 18 12:35:35 I don't know how to use it Mar 18 12:35:44 sorry, it's 650USD Mar 18 12:35:51 nidO: so tis in fremantle extras - but any idea how long it takes to move onto the downloads page? assuming it is a batch job every 30 mins or so? Mar 18 12:35:52 this is not what expected from internet device Mar 18 12:35:53 plus tax, so 720 Mar 18 12:35:59 to power on/off samsung tv Mar 18 12:36:07 not 1000 Mar 18 12:36:11 timeless: welcome to russia. nokia thinks there are only millionare live Mar 18 12:36:23 timeless: didn't do what I had hoped, but thanks anyway :) Mar 18 12:36:24 and you can get one for less stateside Mar 18 12:36:29 rmrfchik: billionaires you mean Mar 18 12:36:34 funnyface: it wouldn't Mar 18 12:36:43 but you asked for it :) Mar 18 12:36:43 friendly as ever, i see Mar 18 12:36:51 rmrfchik: not for sale :< Mar 18 12:37:05 brik: go to uni :p Mar 18 12:37:10 0:) Mar 18 12:37:14 brik: we can't buy you for 1k$? Mar 18 12:37:18 don't care. just depressed. all co-workers with iphones and androids recieve calendar events with their PHONES and I can't get it on INTERNET DEVICE! Mar 18 12:37:32 and what device in internet then? Mar 18 12:37:37 rmrfchik: you need a new internet... lols Mar 18 12:37:43 yeah Mar 18 12:37:46 new shiny Mar 18 12:37:53 rmrfchik: use google in the browser Mar 18 12:37:57 I want a device that has a 5Ghz processor. Mar 18 12:38:01 There's probably a RFE for google sync in the bugzilla, add your vote to it :) Mar 18 12:38:03 configure google calendar to send sms reminders Mar 18 12:38:06 timeless: lol. Mar 18 12:38:09 it's funny. Mar 18 12:38:15 they work better than calenda anyway Mar 18 12:38:44 shadow: no, if people want something, they need to complain to: Mar 18 12:38:50 1. point of sale Mar 18 12:38:54 2. nokia store Mar 18 12:38:59 3. nokia care Mar 18 12:39:16 nothing else sends a message to managers Mar 18 12:39:52 (and please do complain) Mar 18 12:39:57 timeless - tmo is number 4... we allways need a good trolling Mar 18 12:40:05 note that this applies to any and all vendors Mar 18 12:40:15 no all complaining is trolling Mar 18 12:40:39 complaining to sun/oracle engineers is just as rude and ineffective as complaining to nokia or apple or microsoft engineers Mar 18 12:40:45 lol - trolling can be useful... if trolled correctly Mar 18 12:40:46 timeless, oops, sometimes I forget it's nokia ;-) Mar 18 12:40:48 yes, this is very...handy to close eyes on whining and say "troll" Mar 18 12:40:55 rmrfchik: you're not listening Mar 18 12:41:00 rmrfchik: you're complaining in the wrong place Mar 18 12:41:01 rmrfchik: that's cause you're troll indeed Mar 18 12:41:04 you need to complain to people who deal w/ money Mar 18 12:41:11 and engineers do not do that Mar 18 12:41:12 w00t: i start complaining about erminig. Mar 18 12:41:24 that ended a long time ago Mar 18 12:41:25 timeless: Bingo... that be true... also specific trolling depends on the countries law - point of sale should allways be #1 Mar 18 12:41:29 w00t: ic Mar 18 12:41:36 rmrfchik: is this #erminig? Mar 18 12:41:50 mm, lunch Mar 18 12:41:52 ..and that, I suppose Mar 18 12:42:09 timeless: ahh, sorry. this also is not #microb, #modest, #qt, #maemo-terminal Mar 18 12:42:21 there is a #modest Mar 18 12:42:38 and there's a #qt and iirc a #maemo-qt Mar 18 12:42:43 correct Mar 18 12:42:54 and #qt-labs, if you're willing to participate in development there Mar 18 12:42:56 ok Mar 18 12:42:59 so yes, complaining about any of those here is stupid Mar 18 12:43:00 * rmrfchik is shutted up Mar 18 12:43:18 note that complaining is almost always inappropriate Mar 18 12:43:23 What can we complain about here? Mar 18 12:43:30 TigerTael: complaining, apparantly Mar 18 12:43:30 offering to help is different Mar 18 12:43:32 :-) Mar 18 12:43:36 tigertael: finland Mar 18 12:43:46 finnish police/visa stuff Mar 18 12:43:52 the weather Mar 18 12:43:56 management Mar 18 12:44:02 incompetent people Mar 18 12:44:04 trolls Mar 18 12:44:26 oh, and as w00t notes: complainers Mar 18 12:44:32 God I hate trolls. Mar 18 12:44:33 I think modest should be allowed too Mar 18 12:44:45 timeless: you need visas to go to finland..? Mar 18 12:44:46 oh? Mar 18 12:44:47 * w00t panics Mar 18 12:44:47 nid0: modest is open source Mar 18 12:44:53 put up or shut up Mar 18 12:45:06 and for the record, i've posted patches for modest Mar 18 12:45:15 ok it works :) Mar 18 12:45:19 timeless, thanks. Mar 18 12:45:28 So apparently if you're beckham you get free police escort, if you aren't quite a megacelebrity, you can however *purchase* police escort from the .fi police. Awesome eh? Mar 18 12:45:40 I am putting up, and modest (mostly) works, its just cripplingly limited Mar 18 12:45:40 ShadowJK: sounds good to me Mar 18 12:45:44 That's cool. Mar 18 12:45:46 shadow: wow Mar 18 12:45:51 I must go and change my name. Mar 18 12:45:56 lol Mar 18 12:46:09 do they charge by hour for that? Mar 18 12:46:26 ShadowJK, was that for every movement he made in country Mar 18 12:46:28 fucksocks........ Mar 18 12:46:34 or just to hospital Mar 18 12:46:35 how do i add a screenshot? :) - http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/healthcheck/ Mar 18 12:46:44 * lcuk has been inside amber lamps in finland Mar 18 12:46:48 btw, did he actually make local news? Mar 18 12:46:49 noobmonk3y: Page->edit Mar 18 12:46:55 Is it wrong of me to be excited about Tron Legacy? Mar 18 12:47:00 i heard of it from USA news Mar 18 12:47:11 mece: not at all :) Mar 18 12:47:17 timeless, dude, newspapers paid some pizza delivery kid 300 euro when he took a crappy cellphone photo of the pizza he delivered Mar 18 12:47:43 beckham got crappy pizza? Mar 18 12:47:45 poor guy Mar 18 12:48:04 and wow, the papers here are cheap Mar 18 12:48:15 only 300eur? Mar 18 12:48:33 timeless: dummy contract ;) Mar 18 12:48:33 Well it's Turku, I've lived there, and my first reaction was "oh shit, they gave him pizza?" Mar 18 12:48:40 timeless: it came with 'all you can drink' cola. Mar 18 12:48:54 I just watched the Tron Legacy trailer at the beginning I was 'tis gonna suuuck, but it looked cool and then jeff bridges' face popped up in the end and I was all EEEK! Mar 18 12:49:08 heh Mar 18 12:49:22 cheers X-Fade Mar 18 12:49:38 ShadowJK, uudenmaantulli kotipizza == awesome! Mar 18 12:49:46 noobmonk3y: Seems to work :) Mar 18 12:49:56 yayyyyyyyyyy! Worked fine :D Mar 18 12:50:08 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/healthcheck/ - healthcheck is now an official Maemo5 download - w000p w000p! Mar 18 12:50:20 ~kiss lcuk Mar 18 12:50:21 * infobot forces lcuk to give MikaT a big kiss on the hand Mar 18 12:50:31 lols Mar 18 12:50:34 hax Mar 18 12:50:35 wtf? Mar 18 12:52:14 mbarcode *thumbs up* Mar 18 12:52:22 cool Mar 18 12:53:39 Downloads: 1 Mar 18 12:53:42 gz noobmonk3y :p Mar 18 12:54:13 Hehe, that will be updated with the next daily stats run anyway. Mar 18 12:54:28 I just down loaded it Mar 18 12:54:33 downloaded* Mar 18 12:54:35 is there way to export all contacts in text? Mar 18 12:54:37 -devel and -testing downloads will get added to that total overnight I take it Mar 18 12:54:48 yeah. Mar 18 12:55:39 Although overnight is most of the time afternoon UTC. Mar 18 12:56:24 either way, now that tron is coming, why haven't we yet heard about tha lst starfighter remake? :D Mar 18 12:56:32 the last starfighter even. Mar 18 12:56:49 yayness! Mar 18 12:57:23 mece: heh Mar 18 12:58:00 wow is the download tracker right? says it was getting 1100 downloads on one day?! Mar 18 12:58:47 looks that way Mar 18 12:58:53 march 8th, is that the day it went to testing? Mar 18 12:59:01 holy hell - yeah nidO :D Mar 18 12:59:44 it dropped off awful fast after that though, but should see another big spike now :p Mar 18 13:00:04 Well, yes and no. Mar 18 13:00:09 hehe yeah - i havn't been spammin the forum post :P Mar 18 13:00:16 ahhh theres a no with the yes? lol Mar 18 13:00:17 noobmonk3y, welcome to the big time :D Mar 18 13:00:18 People using testing and extras already have that version now. Mar 18 13:00:28 So they won't get the update notification. Mar 18 13:00:41 * noobmonk3y thanks mece Mar 18 13:00:43 there must be a huge userbase that are staying away from unstable repos though to whom the app's now opened up for Mar 18 13:00:57 But on the other hand, extras opens you up to every N900 out there with recent firmware. Mar 18 13:00:58 good point - so it is counting all dloads since extras :D Mar 18 13:01:12 sorry since testing Mar 18 13:02:07 Is QML any good? Mar 18 13:03:44 hmm, fahrplan update... finally. Hope it fixes the frequent segfaults Mar 18 13:05:50 * noobmonk3y is off to lunch :D Mar 18 13:06:31 is there a dl counter for extras-devel btw? I mean can you see how many times a package has been downloaded somewhere? Mar 18 13:06:50 not seen one, would be nice to have the three dload stats :D so the version has a total Mar 18 13:07:10 true true. Mar 18 13:07:23 noobmonk3y, is healthcheck PyQt? Mar 18 13:07:32 yup mece Mar 18 13:07:38 In theory I could create that, but prefer to invest time in some other things that need to be fixed first ;) Mar 18 13:07:56 X-Fade: hows the incentive of a posted chocolate bar? lol :D Mar 18 13:08:00 X-Fade, yeah not really needed, but it sure would be fun to see. Mar 18 13:09:06 Oh yes. A hercules emulator. What I always wanted: System/370 on my phone ... Mar 18 13:09:48 hey guys Mar 18 13:10:55 hey karlosos Mar 18 13:11:03 * noobmonk3y loves peter okwoli - whom'ever he may be Mar 18 13:11:22 karlosos: w0000000000p http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/healthcheck/# :D :D :D Mar 18 13:15:15 can someone tell me how I can remove a broken package from my dpkg install queue? Mar 18 13:16:08 mece: apt-get -f install or apt-get remove brokenpackagehere ? Mar 18 13:16:25 or apt-get update Mar 18 13:16:42 hmm -f just complained that the package is broken Mar 18 13:16:52 same with remove. Mar 18 13:17:00 ok lemme get back to you. I'm rebooting Mar 18 13:17:07 dpkg -P packagename.deb ? Mar 18 13:17:07 ok done.. damn that's fast. Mar 18 13:17:18 X-Fade, that sounds like it should work. Mar 18 13:17:22 P as in Purge? Mar 18 13:17:29 P as in peanuts too Mar 18 13:17:38 mece: yes Mar 18 13:19:00 hmm no. same erro. Mar 18 13:19:01 r Mar 18 13:19:18 sub-process post-removal script returned error exit status 2 Mar 18 13:19:26 samba-common Mar 18 13:19:44 Hello ! Mar 18 13:19:55 * mece tips his hat to Khertan Mar 18 13:25:00 hm Mar 18 13:25:14 the tgb suddenly went to american layout Mar 18 13:26:11 how to set it back to scandinavian? Mar 18 13:27:05 what's tgb? Mar 18 13:27:13 uh Mar 18 13:27:16 ups Mar 18 13:27:28 swedish shortword Mar 18 13:27:31 keyb Mar 18 13:27:38 In N900? Mar 18 13:27:50 It's in settings Mar 18 13:28:06 Text input Mar 18 13:28:47 ty Mar 18 13:28:57 np Mar 18 13:29:12 Did you install Duke Nukem 3D? ;) Mar 18 13:29:22 Because that's known to mess up the layout =) Mar 18 13:29:35 happened to me as well Mar 18 13:30:00 MiXu-, Well, that's just stuff you have to take when you're "all out of gum" :D Mar 18 13:30:01 lol, yeah Mar 18 13:30:23 * mece is now feeling the urge to install duke3d Mar 18 13:30:32 hey is it multiplayer ready? Mar 18 13:30:56 I've been longing to pipebomb my friends for a while now.. Mar 18 13:31:15 no idea, just wanted to test Mar 18 13:31:21 never played before Mar 18 13:31:30 fuck is firefuck ever lovely? (on my PC) fore no reason at all all of a sudden firefox comes up sans url bar and search bar... PoS :) Mar 18 13:31:43 one of my older friends were like crazy when he saw that running on the phone. :P Mar 18 13:32:20 tybollt, firefuck? sounds painful. Mar 18 13:32:30 kids these days... Mar 18 13:32:31 mece: Haha. Yeah :D Mar 18 13:33:11 goatse is for sissies Mar 18 13:34:31 mece: I find it offensive calling that PoS thatis firefox anything but that :) Mar 18 13:35:26 lol Mar 18 13:35:58 it has been working very well on my home machin, but very poorly on my work machine. firefox that is. Linux > windows apparently Mar 18 13:37:08 wtf since when has openoffice been java? Mar 18 13:37:19 it always was. Mar 18 13:37:22 damn Mar 18 13:37:29 yes Mar 18 13:37:36 that explains the slowness Mar 18 13:37:41 uhuh :D Mar 18 13:38:04 is there another OSS word processor for windows one could recommend? Mar 18 13:38:18 Well Mar 18 13:38:35 abiword? Mar 18 13:39:07 since these days you are likely to receive documents in the new fangled ".docx" and ".xlsx" you have to have a pretty actively maintained word processor to be compatible Mar 18 13:39:26 true true.. well I don't really have that problem though. Mar 18 13:39:34 most shitz out there - except OOo - is not compatible w/ the newer formats Mar 18 13:39:43 I just want to make some documents myself. Teaching materials n such. Mar 18 13:39:49 trying abiword Mar 18 13:40:00 LeX Mar 18 13:40:02 LyX Mar 18 13:40:06 Is this the right place to ask packaging/garage questions? Mar 18 13:40:08 etc Mar 18 13:40:12 LOL ok there appear to be microsoft office installed on this computer too... Mar 18 13:40:13 LaTeX? Mar 18 13:40:16 abiword has trouble displaying embedded objects (table and graphics) Mar 18 13:40:19 no thanks. Mar 18 13:40:29 Arkenoi Mar 18 13:40:37 Arkenoi, oh.. is it bad? Mar 18 13:40:42 * satmd for simplicity banned *.???x formats from his office Mar 18 13:40:58 Australian boffins have developed a treatment which allows mice to smoke cigarettes without the usual negative health consequences. Mar 18 13:41:00 Moo arkenoi Mar 18 13:41:04 mece, depends. i get those quite frequently Mar 18 13:41:06 moo Mar 18 13:41:08 * tybollt used to work for the goverment Mar 18 13:41:27 there's no such luxury as to choosing what kind of documents you can read Mar 18 13:42:24 There was some docx document I recieved but I found an online converter that fixed it to some readable format for me. Mar 18 13:42:51 wow abiword is fast! Mar 18 13:43:33 on 900? Mar 18 13:43:37 n900 Mar 18 13:43:39 err no. Mar 18 13:43:49 well maybe, but I'm on an old pc with winxp Mar 18 13:44:51 abiword is compiled for N900 isn't it? Mar 18 13:44:53 ok, last time I tried it on N900 it was really slow. I was hoping to hear about some progress Mar 18 13:44:59 oh. ok. Mar 18 13:45:09 well i bet it's still faster than OO Mar 18 13:45:19 yes :) Mar 18 13:47:00 anything is faste than OOo Mar 18 13:47:20 tybollt: Coreldraw's java version? Mar 18 13:47:42 * RST38h ready to give up on libnotify Mar 18 13:48:59 damn you microsoft! Mar 18 13:49:14 hey what's the default fixed width font on this thing? (WinXP) Mar 18 13:50:48 * noobmonk3y is back Mar 18 13:51:11 * RST38h applauds to Mathias Hasslemann Mar 18 13:51:12 hmm Courier new seems fixed. Mar 18 13:51:18 For speaking the truth -) Mar 18 13:52:05 RST38h, what truth does he speak? Mar 18 13:53:42 mece: That QML is not anything to get excited about Mar 18 13:59:19 So Mar 18 13:59:45 does fennec work w/ plugins like adblock/noscript? Mar 18 14:00:03 s/plugins/add-ons and yes Mar 18 14:00:13 mfinkle: jajaja Mar 18 14:00:34 so may be an idea to switch then... Mar 18 14:00:53 getting a bit fed up w/ microb not working w/ those Mar 18 14:01:03 don't you people feel like browsing on the n900 is still extremely slow? I'm complaining, no mobile device I know is really fast, but to me the slowness is just unbearable. Am I the only one who thinks like this? (Maybe it's because the n900 is my first mobile and I never liked mobiles anyway because all their features were crippled) Mar 18 14:01:28 s/I'm complaining/I'm NOT complaining/ Mar 18 14:01:30 Shapeshifter meant: don't you people feel like browsing on the n900 is still extremely slow? I'm NOT complaining, no mobile device I know is really fast, but to me the slowness is just unbearable. Am I the only one who thinks like this? (Maybe it's because the n900 is my fir... Mar 18 14:01:44 * mgedmin actually is complaining: browsing on the n900 is too effing slow Mar 18 14:01:44 ~shutup Mar 18 14:01:45 yes master, I'll STFU Mar 18 14:01:55 ~hugz Mar 18 14:01:59 ~hugs Mar 18 14:02:00 i heard hugs is Haskell 98 interpreter. URL: http://www.haskell.org/hugs Mar 18 14:02:06 :) Mar 18 14:02:08 ~hug the world Mar 18 14:02:09 :-) Mar 18 14:02:09 * infobot hugs the world tightly until the world turns slightly blue Mar 18 14:02:09 ^^ Mar 18 14:02:18 the little browsing I've done seams fast enough Mar 18 14:02:23 infobot: has mahoooooooooosive arms Mar 18 14:02:25 if its been slow its been beacuse of my connection Mar 18 14:02:34 bionic bot Mar 18 14:02:39 yup :D Mar 18 14:02:50 if you're away from your wifi connection and want to browse the web your options are limited Mar 18 14:02:54 Shapeshifter: slow how? Mar 18 14:03:18 do i use my N900 to browse the web instead of my laptop or wired desktop? no Mar 18 14:03:30 you use what you have access to Mar 18 14:03:34 i actually do at home... unless i'm needing to do more advanced stuff Mar 18 14:03:39 laptop has been demoted to the floor Mar 18 14:04:18 my laptop's basically been relegated to the wardrobe, it is crap tho Mar 18 14:04:23 Shapeshifter, I think it's pretty ok. 3g latency is terrible for me tho. takes ages to get the first connection. after that it loads ok. wifi is pretty fast for me. Mar 18 14:04:43 nidO, mine too! It's a server. I use it for compiling stuff :D Mar 18 14:04:55 I have a server that I use as a server :P Mar 18 14:05:07 nidO, quiet, ecological and has a built in UPS :D Mar 18 14:05:36 my desktop just broke today, so I am quite happy owning N900, so I can surf the web. Althougt reddit.com not workin with microb is pain :) Mar 18 14:05:40 tybollt: like, even on wlan it's 5-10 times slower than a lap top or so. e.g. anandtech.com. laptop: 1s, n900 5s until viewable, 12s until fully loaded Mar 18 14:06:12 Shapeshifter, well it has about 1/5 the power of a laptop too so... Mar 18 14:06:15 of course on 3g or 2g you can grab a coffee while some page is loading. not blaming the n900 on that. But it's just slow. Well, the web is slow :) the web sucks. Mar 18 14:06:16 Shapeshifter: microb or fennec? Mar 18 14:06:20 tybollt: microb Mar 18 14:06:42 Shapeshifter: try fennec - people around here say it's a few orders of magnitude faster at loading pages Mar 18 14:06:49 Enable disk cache in microb, helps.. Mar 18 14:06:49 tybollt: interesting. thanks. Mar 18 14:06:51 Shapeshifter, have you tried any webkit browsers? Mar 18 14:07:33 on the matter of 3g browsing and such, what opera does with their turbo stuff or whatever its called, is quite smart. For browsing non-sensible data it's a nice service that they compress everything before sending it to your browser. Mar 18 14:07:44 mece: midori runs ok. not faster then microb though Mar 18 14:08:16 mece: actually, it _is_ faster Mar 18 14:08:35 ^^ takes longer too start up though, and doesn't have nice zooming and all that input related stuff. Mar 18 14:08:40 Shapeshifter, I've come to understand that webkit is often pretty damn fast. Mar 18 14:08:50 why do you guys recommend midori? Mar 18 14:08:55 mece: it is actually. Mar 18 14:09:21 I've never been able to use midori on my 900 for longer than five minutes w/out it crashing and burning Mar 18 14:09:24 tybollt: is there a better alternative? I once installed tear but it wouldn't run. don't remember why I just dropped it. Mar 18 14:09:25 hey what format should one his documents these days? It's text and a some html code Mar 18 14:09:31 visible html code that is. Mar 18 14:10:31 tybollt, nobody's recommedning midori, just comparing speed. Mar 18 14:10:52 X Mar 18 14:11:07 but fennec aint in the repos right? Mar 18 14:11:10 X-Fade, what does that mean "Enable disk cache in microb?" Mar 18 14:11:12 but in ovi. Mar 18 14:11:17 lol X-Fade Mar 18 14:11:19 mece: about:config Mar 18 14:11:21 Are you tinkering? Mar 18 14:11:23 Shapeshifter: true Mar 18 14:11:33 noobmonk3y: Don't you refresh all the time ;) Mar 18 14:11:39 healthcheck - Downloads: 11952 - that came from nowhere - was 77 5 mins ago! Mar 18 14:11:53 * noobmonk3y has f5 built into the brain Mar 18 14:11:54 noobmonk3y: That is what I said. Daily stats run. Mar 18 14:11:57 healthcheck... Mar 18 14:11:58 ahhhhhhh! Mar 18 14:12:01 I downloaded that Mar 18 14:12:04 yay Mar 18 14:12:06 * noobmonk3y loves tybollt Mar 18 14:12:08 it's not really a usable app Mar 18 14:12:11 lol Mar 18 14:12:18 it says nothing about the health of my device :) Mar 18 14:12:18 ~punch tybollt Mar 18 14:12:20 * infobot lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches tybollt right on the nose Mar 18 14:12:21 X-Fade: enabling disk cache will slow things down Mar 18 14:12:31 mece: If you enable disk cache there, then the browser doesn't have to download things every time. Mar 18 14:12:36 if it loads, it's healthy lol Mar 18 14:12:42 noobmonk3y: dude, for a health app I want something that reads every i2c device in there... Mar 18 14:12:52 mfinkle: Not for sites with a lot of files. Mar 18 14:13:03 ahhhh well i fell you need to make a request and start listing some things for me on tmo :D Mar 18 14:13:08 X-Fade: there is too much locking and thrashing in disk cache code right now Mar 18 14:13:12 we have bugs to fix it Mar 18 14:13:20 started learning linux and pyqt 3 weeks ago today! Mar 18 14:13:23 that's why microb and fennec disable it Mar 18 14:13:36 mfinkle: Hmm well it works for me over 3G. Mar 18 14:13:40 it actually slows down page loads Mar 18 14:13:46 ok well I'm leaving it off for now. I'll check it out later. I'm actually quite satisified with microb. Mar 18 14:14:11 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=537843 Mar 18 14:14:13 Bug 537843: was not found. Mar 18 14:14:13 noobmonk3y: uhm if I did you'd probably escalate that punching into round-house-kicks-by-chuck-norris, so no :) Mar 18 14:14:37 mfinkle: But then again, I flash new versions quite often so my cache doesn't fill up too much ;) Mar 18 14:14:42 hahaha Mar 18 14:14:49 lol tybollt - any advice and help is good help Mar 18 14:14:59 okok see what I can do Mar 18 14:15:40 X-Fade: it's fixed in the next major release https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=513074 Mar 18 14:15:41 Bug 513074: was not found. Mar 18 14:16:15 on a side note. The N900 needs space battle games. Pronto! Mar 18 14:16:23 I agree! Mar 18 14:16:31 asteroids clones don't count Mar 18 14:16:38 mece: know any good ones? Mar 18 14:16:41 oolite, vegastike Mar 18 14:16:55 oolite is elite. So that is awesome. Mar 18 14:17:15 those need opengl 2.0 right? Mar 18 14:17:17 privateer Mar 18 14:17:21 possibly Mar 18 14:17:42 subspace on n900 ? :) Mar 18 14:17:44 oolite didn't compile out of the box at least. Mar 18 14:17:45 do you know programming? Mar 18 14:17:49 subspace does not count. Mar 18 14:18:00 mece: =( Mar 18 14:18:11 Appiah, but it would also be nice :) Mar 18 14:18:24 Privateer is also open source these days. Mar 18 14:19:14 I dould see if any inline assembly is used in those then see about filling the dependencies Mar 18 14:19:50 the opengl 2 to gles 2 wrapper will be the big thing to look at. Mar 18 14:20:16 dmj726_n900, yep. Anyway oolite is the lightest one I could find. Mar 18 14:20:28 kamui was working on one for blender but i think he is having some difficulty Mar 18 14:20:31 An advert for an IT professional "preferably of Indian origin" is being investigated after complaints were made to the Equalities and Human Rights Commission. Mar 18 14:20:34 Ouch =) Mar 18 14:20:45 there was a really cool list on a page.. It was a couple of years old. I went through them one by one and checked possibilities. Mar 18 14:22:44 ah yes here we go: http://freegamer.blogspot.com/2006/06/open-source-3d-space-games.html Mar 18 14:23:27 No Gravity, Privateer Gemini Gold and Oolite. Mar 18 14:24:23 mece: So, start porting like right away! Mar 18 14:24:34 (OOlite probably out of the question as it is written in ObjC) Mar 18 14:25:01 RST38h, right yeah now I remember, that was what I deducted.. Mar 18 14:25:22 why objc? Mar 18 14:25:23 RST38h, anyway none of those were a straight fix. Mar 18 14:25:54 dmj729_n9001, to piss us off? Mar 18 14:26:05 RST38bis test Mar 18 14:27:06 our biggest issue is the lack of ogl 2 support Mar 18 14:27:06 RST38bis test Mar 18 14:27:21 RST38bis test Mar 18 14:27:32 RST38bis: test? Mar 18 14:27:53 Ok, still no icon. WHAT am I doing wrong people??? Mar 18 14:28:15 RST38h, what icon? Mar 18 14:28:32 bubble notification icon Mar 18 14:29:04 aaah Mar 18 14:32:40 vegastike could be doable. might be really heavy though. Mar 18 14:32:49 http://vegastrike.sourceforge.net/wiki/Main_Page Mar 18 14:33:15 freeglut is broken for armel btw. Mar 18 14:33:20 vegastrike would be nice but heavy is the word Mar 18 14:36:36 Hi All, I am facing strange problem in maemo-sdk. Label on buttons are coming to be weird. I am attaching a screenshot here http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1381/46111705.png Mar 18 14:36:53 Anyone worked with libnotify??? Mar 18 14:36:58 please help me out Mar 18 14:37:22 flukebox, I had that the first time I used the SDK Mar 18 14:38:57 no gravity is abandoned, but stable at 2.0. There's a new, proprietary sequel being developed. Mar 18 14:39:06 anyway. I'm off. Will look into no gravity some more. Mar 18 14:39:51 TigerTael: do you know the solution ? Mar 18 14:55:53 DocScrutinizer you about? Mar 18 14:56:00 nidO, ? Mar 18 14:56:08 hi Mar 18 14:56:13 C-S-B: yo, but in a hurry Mar 18 14:56:20 new n900, fm transmitter is fine Mar 18 14:56:28 fine :-D Mar 18 14:56:32 just thought I'd report back. Mar 18 14:56:39 thanks a lot Mar 18 14:56:41 they did you a straight swap nps then Mar 18 14:56:53 yeah, everything is new Mar 18 14:56:54 :) Mar 18 14:57:17 one thing, i retardedly deleted my backup? (go figure) Mar 18 14:57:26 * DocScrutinizer smells QA issues at Nokia's N900 fab Mar 18 14:57:27 but my contacts were syncd over nuevo Mar 18 14:57:44 just filling my apps. Mar 18 14:57:58 things like problems with the tx are probably hard to nail down or quantify though Mar 18 14:58:05 so is that two reports in here of fm tx not working? Mar 18 14:58:11 as id imagine 95% (at least) of owners will never ever use it anyway Mar 18 14:58:16 so have no clue if it's broken Mar 18 14:58:28 fm tx may be disabled in some countries though Mar 18 14:58:36 lcuk: Can you vote onedotzero down in the qa queue? The app will obviously not be promoted to extras as the bugtracker link is missing. Mar 18 14:58:38 I bought the device outright, I want EVERYTHING working. :P Mar 18 14:58:53 how, theres only 5 known firmware variants and the fm tx is identical on all of them Mar 18 14:59:10 greece has the fm tx disabled Mar 18 14:59:22 * RST38h suggests adding a few more arbitrary promotion requirements to strike down as many apps as possible Mar 18 14:59:46 This will give every active community member something to do, other than develop apps Mar 18 15:00:04 hear hear Mar 18 15:00:08 C-S-B you sure about that? leaving aside how they'd do it theres no reason for it to be, as the tx is legal in greece Mar 18 15:00:11 They can go around and vote apps down based on the arbitrary requirements Mar 18 15:00:47 well I know all the gory details about OM (FIC) fab QA failures. Amazing, how Nokia is suffering from similar issues. Thought they should have sorted out such silly problems Mar 18 15:00:47 nidO, just relaying whats in the forums. Mar 18 15:00:54 Well this one was discussed in public and has been there for a while. Mar 18 15:01:13 DocScrutinizer anything I should do to bring this to attention? Mar 18 15:01:32 nah, they'll learn by the retour device Mar 18 15:01:38 itll get seen/dealt with by you returning it Mar 18 15:01:55 cpw will ship it back to nokia, who may or may not look into the problem if they care, or just bin it Mar 18 15:02:18 Bin it? I'd have it as a secondary hack device! Mar 18 15:02:29 XFade: Things get discussed in public but nothing ever changes, unfortunately Mar 18 15:02:45 XFade: The 10-vote promotion requirement has been discussed as well. Has it been changed? Mar 18 15:03:03 The fmtx is pretty good btw, suprisely well picked up. Mar 18 15:03:13 RST38h: When VDVsx assigns the testing squad, then yes. But in another way. Mar 18 15:03:56 * RST38h facepalms and crawls back into the corner Mar 18 15:04:04 ? Mar 18 15:04:08 C-S-B: you could open a thread on tmo, to advice other users to thoroughly check their devices on day-1 Mar 18 15:05:09 Yeah, I might do. Many people like myself may just assume that it's them doing something wrong, reflash and trouble shoot unecessarily Mar 18 15:06:15 morning Mar 18 15:06:50 C-S-B: exactly my thought Mar 18 15:09:05 fm transmitter sounds more regulatory to me. You actually have a list on the box which countries are (not) supported for FMTX Mar 18 15:09:25 xfade ok but it will be back there in under a week, ive got some mods pending lol Mar 18 15:09:37 no eu countries should be on that list, and the uk most definitely isnt Mar 18 15:09:44 lcuk: No problem, just want to clean the list up a bit ;) Mar 18 15:09:56 hay, did anyone ever wrote a paper describing how network is being implimented in maemo 5? Mar 18 15:10:14 I mean I see dnsmasq , udhcp Mar 18 15:10:22 yip still dont actually know whether i should push for extras Mar 18 15:10:26 other scripts in /etc .. Mar 18 15:10:38 its not exactly useful without the desktop side and was written for an event Mar 18 15:10:47 its like software like the fosdem tracker Mar 18 15:11:08 I mean , I got a problem getting openvpn to work in bridging, how am I to debug it? Mar 18 15:11:13 eventually one day people will want those in extras (so participants dont need to hack to get at sw) Mar 18 15:11:33 but they become outdated as soon as event over Mar 18 15:12:27 X-Fade: ping Mar 18 15:12:38 lardman , hi Mar 18 15:12:43 X-Fade: If I vote it down it will be removed from -testing? Mar 18 15:12:49 hi cityLights Mar 18 15:13:18 say , is there a summry of how networking is implimented in maemo 5? an osso icd maybe? Mar 18 15:13:20 lardman: Should only remove the entry in the queue, but wait a sec while I make sure ;) Mar 18 15:13:48 nidO: yep Mar 18 15:14:04 lardman: Yes, seems safe. Mar 18 15:14:43 wtf skype spam Mar 18 15:14:49 ~rage Mar 18 15:14:50 i heard rage is a warrior's infinite mana bar. Mar 18 15:14:56 * noobmonk3y is back.. again Mar 18 15:15:06 lardman: Can you comment to that entry in packages too? I'm testing notification/subscribe to comments. Mar 18 15:15:13 didnt have to do work, did you? Mar 18 15:15:33 I remember Shapeshifter , you have been in the OE crew - right Mar 18 15:15:44 cityLights: OE crew? Mar 18 15:15:57 I mean back in the simpad days Mar 18 15:16:05 X-fade is new to me Mar 18 15:16:07 I'm not related to Star Trek, the drum'n'bass artist, or werewolves. Mar 18 15:16:16 cityLights: nope, not me either ;) Mar 18 15:16:21 cityLights: What is? Mar 18 15:16:45 Shapeshifter: heh, you got my third post ever, on tmo :-) Mar 18 15:17:09 just trying to remember how many ppl here are long time developers for devices similer to maemo Mar 18 15:17:56 DocScrutinizer: you're joerg? Mar 18 15:18:02 Very good suggestions :) Mar 18 15:18:10 /whosis dockside Mar 18 15:18:16 bah Mar 18 15:18:34 ~docsrcrutinizer Mar 18 15:18:49 ok, so if I want to get openvpn working using layer 2 , tap device , bridging mode, must I google? Mar 18 15:18:49 ~doctorow Mar 18 15:18:53 infobot: ping Mar 18 15:18:54 ~pong Mar 18 15:19:04 wtf? Mar 18 15:19:06 is there no formal documantiation to maemo networking? Mar 18 15:19:26 bah typos typos typpsos Mar 18 15:19:36 ~docscrutinizer Mar 18 15:19:37 hmm... docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko Mar 18 15:19:50 hi google is cool - I think Mar 18 15:20:25 found a conectivity guide for maemo 2.2 Mar 18 15:21:00 DocScrutinizer: I'm working on refactoring alarmed right now. CLI interface is in the making, and I'm adding a new feature for "presets", where you basically put in exec lines to be reused. Mar 18 15:21:24 exactly what I thought of :-D Mar 18 15:22:40 Shapeshifter: I have a weird idea about issuing a cmdlinecmd --help when selecting the preset, and parse the reply to figure what cmdline options you might want to set, in alarmed Mar 18 15:22:59 Is there a guide for building maemo from source? Mar 18 15:23:09 lcuk: Did you see the name + version of your app in the comment mail? Or only a guid? Mar 18 15:23:59 DocScrutinizer: do you think people would use or understand it even? I think there's two types of users in this use case, 1) those who know what they're doing and know the options anyway, 2) those who just copy/paste commands from tmo etc. Mar 18 15:24:19 Shapeshifter: like 'setprofile.sh --help' -> usage:\nprofile: [silent, general, myprofile] Mar 18 15:25:43 x-fade im working i havent opened gmail all day Mar 18 15:26:06 Shapeshifter: so alarmed knows to create a button to open a list to select any of, 'silent', 'general', 'myprofile' from. The name of the button would have to be "profile:" in this example Mar 18 15:26:27 lcuk: Np.. Mar 18 15:26:38 Shapeshifter: It's not ripe yet. lemme think about it another day ;-D Mar 18 15:27:18 DocScrutinizer: so it would end up being a gui for command line "construction"? Mar 18 15:27:30 yep, kinda Mar 18 15:29:06 Shapeshifter: setbrightness --help ->usage:\nScreen_Brightness: Mar 18 15:29:34 people should figure that out on the cli :P Mar 18 15:31:06 create_backup --help -> usage:\n-When: (create a button "When" that opens up a date selection widget Mar 18 15:31:47 have to run, ttyl Mar 18 15:31:52 * DocScrutinizer waves Mar 18 15:31:54 o/ Mar 18 15:44:35 I think, I have messed up with my scratch-box Meamo5 SDK login. Can i reset it ? Mar 18 15:44:53 I mean i want go to the very start .. Mar 18 15:45:00 is it possible ? Mar 18 15:46:19 all my ssh keys all back in place. bit of a knightmare killing my old n900 entrys from the known hosts list. :) Mar 18 16:12:09 ~moo Mar 18 16:12:10 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Mar 18 16:12:29 hmpf Mar 18 16:12:30 * csgeek sneaks up behind infobot and grabs a bite... Mar 18 16:14:27 ~lol Mar 18 16:14:29 extra, extra, read all about it, lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. Mar 18 16:15:02 damn infobot. I wanted you to laugh :P Mar 18 16:15:29 ~you'reanasshat Mar 18 16:15:42 Mece: :) Mar 18 16:16:17 hey x-chat throws popups. Hadn't noticed that before. Mar 18 16:16:32 heh Mar 18 16:16:39 xchat on n900? Mar 18 16:16:42 crazy... Mar 18 16:16:59 Mece: they can be annoying at times ;-) Mar 18 16:17:12 hm a little overkill that it needs a click to dismiss though. the mini popup you get for mail would be better Mar 18 16:17:17 iirc the settings commands are at the end of /help Mar 18 16:17:33 tybollt, but awesome Mar 18 16:17:56 xchat is very good on n900 imo. Mar 18 16:18:02 yes Mar 18 16:18:09 There are some issues IMO Mar 18 16:18:12 kinetic scrolling could make ut good-er Mar 18 16:18:15 but moderately minor ones. Mar 18 16:18:28 scrolling of some form would be nice. Even if not kinetic Mar 18 16:18:28 hmm Mar 18 16:18:32 but it does the job.true Mar 18 16:18:40 isn't the 900 too small for xchat? Mar 18 16:18:43 Doing the right thing when connections go up/down would be nice Mar 18 16:18:45 tybollt: no Mar 18 16:18:55 I always found xchat benefiting from large amounts of screen realestate Mar 18 16:18:58 tybollt, it's just the right size Mar 18 16:19:05 ok ok Mar 18 16:19:07 tybollt: I have ~15 lines*80 chars or so about Mar 18 16:19:34 How do you shot web. Mar 18 16:19:35 Err Mar 18 16:19:36 (and magnifiers built into your glasses?) Mar 18 16:19:47 oops Mar 18 16:19:49 screenshot from the command line Mar 18 16:20:13 SpeedEvil: xwd is the X screenshot interface Mar 18 16:20:20 the [X] leaves the chat, not the column apparently :D Mar 18 16:20:45 ah xwd is missin :P Mar 18 16:20:54 xwd is what?? Mar 18 16:21:25 crap it's snowing like crazy again... Mar 18 16:22:09 XWD(1) XWD(1) Mar 18 16:22:09 NAME xwd - dump an image of an X window Mar 18 16:22:27 that's xwd, but not in base maemo apparently :) Mar 18 16:23:01 kthx Mar 18 16:27:31 ohai Mar 18 16:28:29 http://www.mauve.plus.com/xwd.pnm Mar 18 16:29:00 My xchat. However, the colours are broken. Mar 18 16:29:41 http://www.mauve.plus.com/xwd.xwd - the orignal xwd Mar 18 16:29:50 anyway. Mar 18 16:29:52 It's fine Mar 18 16:35:10 The only other 'major' iussue with cxchat would be the inptu window and box is maybe 3* too high Mar 18 16:35:14 does anyone know about getting python rsvg working in n900? Mar 18 16:36:19 X-Fade: sorry, got called away Mar 18 16:36:22 I've seen your comment Mar 18 16:36:33 you want me to comment on the mbarcode-0.0.8 package? Mar 18 16:36:35 ~juggle Arif_ Mar 18 16:36:46 :O Mar 18 16:36:50 ~wiggle noobmonk3y Mar 18 16:36:52 me infobot is on holiday Mar 18 16:36:57 meh* Mar 18 16:37:03 ~moo Mar 18 16:37:04 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Mar 18 16:37:11 ~woof Mar 18 16:37:13 rumour has it, woof is the sound a dog makes. Mar 18 16:37:19 omg cxlever bot Mar 18 16:37:23 xD Mar 18 16:37:26 oo Mar 18 16:37:26 anyway, fun day arif? Mar 18 16:37:29 sygic is out? Mar 18 16:37:35 yea Mar 18 16:37:40 we made flowcharts! Mar 18 16:37:43 Arif_: it made it! - http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/healthcheck/ Mar 18 16:37:59 congrats Mar 18 16:37:59 ;D Mar 18 16:38:02 :D Mar 18 16:38:06 X-Fade: I've voted it down, see if it works, cheers Mar 18 16:38:11 brb 2 mins Mar 18 16:39:02 now someone improve KMplayer Mar 18 16:39:02 :D Mar 18 16:39:46 Arif_: you're the lucky volunteer ;) Mar 18 16:40:04 I volunteer to test Mar 18 16:40:04 ;P Mar 18 16:40:51 hmm, I thought health test was going to rate my weight and blood pressure.... Mar 18 16:40:52 :) Mar 18 16:42:52 Hello Mar 18 16:43:13 lo DrGrov Mar 18 16:43:31 lol lardman - yeah can see where you are coming from Mar 18 16:43:57 suppose it needs to detect if you are a mugen battery owner and scream out "You fat bar-steward!" Mar 18 16:44:28 Got a small question... My phone has been acting up a bit. It seems like when I touch the "Phone" and "Conversations" shortcuts on my desktop it seems to take forever for them to open. When I put keylock it seems to open up a bit faster. Today I kept it trying to open the "Phone" and "Contacts" and it said that if I want to keep "hildon-home" running or terminate the process. I take no, but didn't become any faster or anything. Mar 18 16:44:36 not for long though, lugging that round would get you fit in no time Mar 18 16:44:42 It seems like it does this a bit now and then. Could it be because I should do a "reboot" ? Mar 18 16:45:07 Could it be the "screensaver" or hibernate situation that makes it act up like that? Mar 18 16:45:11 DrGrov: installed any extras testing or dev software (Like dce?!!) - otherwise turn your phone off and on again, if the uptime is greater then 5 days it slows down a bit Mar 18 16:45:26 DrGrov: I've had the screen shortcuts not respond a couple of times, reboot should sort it Mar 18 16:45:29 good point nidO Mar 18 16:45:39 noobmonk3y: but it slows down like hell. the uptime is about 2-2,5 days Mar 18 16:45:51 the healthcheck app gives you a bootcount too - if that gets above 25 - it needs a turn off :D :D Mar 18 16:45:54 lardman: ah okey, so just a quick rebooting is fixing it up right away ;) Mar 18 16:45:59 noobmonk3y: wtf? :D Mar 18 16:46:04 wtf wtf? Mar 18 16:46:23 ~massage DrGrov Mar 18 16:46:24 * infobot gives DrGrov a terribly relaxing full-body massage that puts DrGrov to sleep Mar 18 16:46:30 go infobot go! Mar 18 16:46:32 noobmonk3y: wtf would i need a healthcheck app for a linux based phone? :D Mar 18 16:46:33 would be interesting to work out what causes that, and also the battery life drain thing, I wonder... Mar 18 16:46:43 noobmonk3y: you god damn... nah, thanks for the massage :) Mar 18 16:46:47 :D Mar 18 16:46:53 ~massage noobmonk3y Mar 18 16:46:54 * infobot gives noobmonk3y a terribly relaxing full-body massage that puts noobmonk3y to sleep Mar 18 16:47:00 DrGrov: it just has sysinfo etc on it, and some hardware tests Mar 18 16:47:06 I could use a snooze Mar 18 16:47:14 slowass server :< Mar 18 16:47:15 noobmonk3y: oh, then it would be perfect for my needs. i would want some hardware tests. Mar 18 16:47:19 but the bootcount is a forumulae to let you know it needs a rest :D Mar 18 16:47:31 very very basic though at the mo , but always open to requests Mar 18 16:47:33 noobmonk3y: ah, interesting. god damn! this N900 has it all :) Mar 18 16:47:46 ~kick the server Mar 18 16:47:47 * infobot kicks the server Mar 18 16:48:02 violent bot today Mar 18 16:48:06 if it seems slow and i reboot it? can i lose some information when i just turn the power off? Mar 18 16:48:12 nope Mar 18 16:48:18 well, cached info maybe, just like a pc Mar 18 16:48:19 i need long legs to kick this one, its in london :< Mar 18 16:48:23 but not anything on your phone :P Mar 18 16:48:30 haha 75mile legs for me Mar 18 16:48:32 so my phone log and conversations will be there? Mar 18 16:48:35 yup Mar 18 16:48:40 105 miles for me Mar 18 16:48:44 race ya lol Mar 18 16:48:49 ctually, i'm too lazy Mar 18 16:48:52 a* Mar 18 16:48:57 noobmonk3y: they will be without changing? :) thanks, a bit new to some minor problems and issues yet. Mar 18 16:49:13 well can pretty much declare myself the winnah, london's a big place and you dont know where the server is :P Mar 18 16:49:21 + cant access the building ;) Mar 18 16:49:22 DrGrov: a reboot, or turn off and on will not loose anything, just gives the device a breather :D Mar 18 16:49:23 noobmonk3y: or should i say not too comfortable atm with these small things. if i had more time sure, no problem but now i just want the damn thing to work without problems. Mar 18 16:49:37 noobmonk3y: great, thanks for the information :) Mar 18 16:49:47 ahhhh you will learn DrGrov - its not that much of a scary beast once you get used to it :D Mar 18 16:49:54 not a prob at all :D Mar 18 16:50:12 noobmonk3y: i know, i am used to working with linux stuff for the past approximately 5 years. Mar 18 16:50:19 ~ Find and destroy every server in london Mar 18 16:50:24 hmmm that 1 may not work Mar 18 16:50:28 I am installing scratchback and it tells me I should make a boot option change... where is the grub menu location to make that change in ubuntu? Mar 18 16:50:31 * noobmonk3y trains infobot Mar 18 16:50:31 bot sez no Mar 18 16:50:54 noobmonk3y: one thing though is so cool. i love the way the phone is putting together the call log. nothing extra bullshit there, just plain and simple names and so. not a typical S60 long call log :) Mar 18 16:51:41 noobmonk3y: and i love the messages in Conversations since it becomes like a IM log but with regular SMS. :) now i just write even more than before. i write about 10-20 messages per day. before on the N97 just about 2-3. Mar 18 16:51:48 good point, lots of people want, ney, demand more, but simple is best :D Mar 18 16:51:56 haha i've noticed that too! Mar 18 16:52:00 IM'ing is soooo easy! Mar 18 16:52:20 ~piglatin This infobot is quite a clever little bugger Mar 18 16:52:23 Isthay infobotway isway itequay away everclay ittlelay uggerbay Mar 18 16:52:40 DrGrov, conversations has transformed the way i txt too Mar 18 16:52:46 it kicks serious ass Mar 18 16:53:05 lcuk: yeah it does kick serious ass. :) Mar 18 16:53:24 ~kick serious ass Mar 18 16:53:25 * infobot kicks serious ass Mar 18 16:53:31 yup it does :D Mar 18 16:53:36 * lcuk wants moar in it but that can wait Mar 18 16:53:38 lcuk: i hated the N97 with the S60 interface since it's a serious pain in the ass when having an inbox, sent etc etc. Mar 18 16:53:42 the IM functionality needs some work Mar 18 16:53:43 have you seen the skins people have made for it Mar 18 16:53:43 =} Mar 18 16:54:09 i found out that the themes are also a LOT *SEXIER* for the N900 than for any other Nokia device Mar 18 16:54:16 Sort of much more slick and professional... Mar 18 16:54:22 Any comments on my statement? Mar 18 16:54:26 Agree/disagree? Mar 18 16:54:49 maybe that's because Moomo only has 10 themes till now? Mar 18 16:54:57 and symbian has 10 million Mar 18 16:55:05 Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'and destroy every server in london' returned no results. Mar 18 16:55:07 i think maemo also has a better capacity for themes, graphics, resolution etc Mar 18 16:55:18 lmfao infobot! Mar 18 16:56:10 noobmonk3y, good to see you found a friend in infobot Mar 18 16:56:18 * noobmonk3y needs friends :D Mar 18 16:56:20 I r loner Mar 18 16:56:27 right off to go and play some left4dead 2... :D zombie killing w000p Mar 18 16:56:30 lrn2shower Mar 18 16:56:35 lol! Mar 18 16:58:27 mm, shower Mar 18 16:58:44 how often does new themes come for the N900? Mar 18 16:59:49 DrGrov, theres no schedule :S Mar 18 17:00:11 but i often see new ones a few times a week at different stages of development Mar 18 17:00:18 i saw a wicked graffiti theme Mar 18 17:01:10 but im not the best to ask im still on the default theme Mar 18 17:01:34 lcuk: linky! Mar 18 17:03:12 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47274 Mar 18 17:03:33 lcuk, héhé ... i like the default one too Mar 18 17:03:43 Hi again all ! Mar 18 17:03:48 hey k Mar 18 17:04:49 * lcuk rests Mar 18 17:05:02 Khertan: btw, I was wondering why py2deb is looking for the USERNAME env var. I always need to export something like USERNAME=user before it wants to build my package. Mar 18 17:05:11 http://lh6.ggpht.com/_s8TET2AXZOA/S6Fh2Nzw1FI/AAAAAAAAAsM/VRlc9RlnMpM/Screenshot-20100317-235659.png <<<< IF someone know how to set the color of the border of the textview ... thx Mar 18 17:05:42 Shapeshifter, for signing file with gpg Mar 18 17:05:51 but as it s no more needed for maemo Mar 18 17:05:53 mhh Mar 18 17:06:00 i should maybe remove it Mar 18 17:06:22 but anyway ... i suggest you to avoid py2deb ... and use now PyPackager :) Mar 18 17:06:34 as py2deb is no more maintain Mar 18 17:06:57 i ve merge my two packaging tool into py2deb Mar 18 17:07:07 it use the same script option that py2den Mar 18 17:07:09 it use the same script option that py2deb Mar 18 17:07:17 with some new feature Mar 18 17:07:34 but it s still lack of documentation i need to write Mar 18 17:07:47 and also a fast port script from py2deb to pypackager Mar 18 17:07:48 :) Mar 18 17:07:56 Can we do a reset of user account on scratchbox of maemo5 sdk account ??? Mar 18 17:08:08 Khertan: ah ok Mar 18 17:08:22 well I guess I'm too lazy to read into it now. Will probably notice when py2deb stops working xD Mar 18 17:08:59 Shapeshifter, héhé Mar 18 17:09:00 :) Mar 18 17:09:13 in fact there is the import which change Mar 18 17:09:26 "import py2deb" is now "import pypackager" Mar 18 17:09:40 and the variable for the bugtracker isn't the same Mar 18 17:09:57 and the last command for generating isn't the same Mar 18 17:10:07 as you can made .deb or source package Mar 18 17:11:01 Khertan: you got an example build file I can peek at? Mar 18 17:11:19 * Arif_ is installing sygic Mar 18 17:11:30 ShadowJK, pypackager itself :) Mar 18 17:11:42 miss Mar 18 17:11:43 it s self builded Mar 18 17:11:43 :) Mar 18 17:12:01 at the end Mar 18 17:12:06 if def main :) Mar 18 17:12:23 ok ... see you later Mar 18 17:12:25 Khertan: thanks Mar 18 17:12:34 need to go garage to got my car Mar 18 17:12:35 bye Mar 18 17:13:48 meh Mar 18 17:13:51 megaupload is slow:D Mar 18 17:13:58 lcuk: nice on the theme, thansk Mar 18 17:18:11 lcuk: the graffiti theme you see was called Eevil"something"? Mar 18 17:28:28 Anyone has news on Enlightenment 17 for N900? Anyone manage to compile XMMS from source for the N900? Mar 18 17:30:51 xmms? why on earth would you want xmms? Mar 18 17:31:08 DrGrov: have you checked the calendar lately, it's 2010 Mar 18 17:31:52 Myrtti: you trying to be a smartass? Mar 18 17:32:15 linux is about choice ^^ Mar 18 17:32:39 DrGrov: yes. but seriously, xmms has been dropped from debian years ago, since it uses gtk1 and there are gtk2 forks of it available, such as beep and audacious Mar 18 17:33:07 so I'm just wondering is there a specific reason that you'd really, REALLY want specifically XMMS Mar 18 17:33:25 Hey, I still use punched cards and no matter what you say is going to change that fact! Mar 18 17:33:26 me too Mar 18 17:33:39 please... xmms is dead, leave it there Mar 18 17:33:47 hmm Mar 18 17:33:50 megaupload is weird Mar 18 17:33:57 some files download at 200KB/s Mar 18 17:34:00 and others at 3MB/s :D Mar 18 17:34:01 Arif_: megaupload is the shit. Mar 18 17:34:07 don't use it. Mar 18 17:34:22 Myrtti: You got my answer in Finnish in a PM. Mar 18 17:34:23 audacious is a xmms fork with gtk2 Mar 18 17:34:23 I can't find RS mirrors Mar 18 17:34:31 same goes for pastebin.com and imageshack.us btw. They all suck and need to die. Mar 18 17:34:37 Arif_: rs mirrors? Mar 18 17:34:45 of the files I want Mar 18 17:34:48 rapidshare :p Mar 18 17:34:55 (rapidshare also sucks) Mar 18 17:34:57 ...rapidshare is equally shit Mar 18 17:35:10 RS premium Mar 18 17:35:11 \o/ Mar 18 17:35:15 *rolleyes Mar 18 17:35:21 paying for illegal stuff Mar 18 17:35:27 paying? Mar 18 17:35:28 ;P Mar 18 17:36:02 free pirated stuff > paid-for pirated stuff on a moral level. Mar 18 17:36:12 So, anyone *have* any news regarding Enlightenment 17? Mar 18 17:36:37 * Arif_ doesn't pay for his RS account.... Mar 18 17:36:50 then what does premium stand for? Mar 18 17:36:57 well Mar 18 17:37:02 you're supposed to pay :p Mar 18 17:37:21 Myrtti: perhaps using XMMS is my choice and I'm pretty sure someone else also uses XMMS. That is one of the main reasons I go from Windows -> Linux OS's since there is always a choice for what to use and no one can tell me what to use and what not to use. And that is a fact. Mar 18 17:37:23 Arif_: so you'r basically pirating the ability to download pirated material? xD Mar 18 17:37:34 pretty much =D Mar 18 17:37:47 * Shapeshifter <3 torrents Mar 18 17:38:11 * Arif_ has a free seedbox which expires in april Mar 18 17:38:39 DrGrov: I don't deny your right to use XMMS, I'm just suggesting that there might be better options that might also be easier to compile on the N900. Mar 18 17:38:52 .... Mar 18 17:39:00 I seem to be a freeloader on about everything Mar 18 17:39:00 :D Mar 18 17:39:21 Myrtti: ah then I must give something else a go if it is easier to compile for the N900. Mar 18 17:40:09 Myrtti: I don't have the energy to keep messing around with something which takes a bit too much time since there is none available atm. Mar 18 17:42:49 I know Maemo 6 will have Qt integration... what are the odd's it'll run Plasma or be able to handle Plasmoids? Mar 18 17:43:23 how the hell do I change my phone date and time format? Mar 18 17:43:36 the disclaimer here is though: I know next to nothing about compiling, even less about compiling to N900. But knowing that gtk1 is Oldâ„¢ and that Debian hasn't supported XMMS partially because of that is a tell tale sign that you might encounter problems with it on N900 Mar 18 17:43:47 lantizia: lmao Mar 18 17:43:50 I have the region set as Finnish but language as Swedish and I get it in the format yyyy.mm.dd Mar 18 17:43:57 lantizia: good idea though. Mar 18 17:43:58 i want it in dd.mm.yyyy Mar 18 17:44:01 or dd.mm.yy Mar 18 17:44:20 it is even possible? Mar 18 17:44:25 LiraNuna: if you port all the dependencies plasma has, it'll run no doubt. Afaik, kde already works fine on ARM. Mar 18 17:44:33 LiraNuna: oops nevermind Mar 18 17:44:38 lantizia: ^ Mar 18 17:44:38 DrGrov: define possible Mar 18 17:44:48 if you hack the localization, you can do anything you like Mar 18 17:44:49 lantizia: afaik, luke-jr is running it on ARM. Mar 18 17:44:51 DrGrov: no Mar 18 17:45:07 Shapeshifter: LiraNuna: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/blogs/2010/03/16/bossa-conference10-and-plasma-mobile/ Mar 18 17:45:34 tybollt: it is strange, if change my language to Finnish I get it right but I want Swedish and the dd.mm.yyyy Mar 18 17:45:39 lantizia: :D Mar 18 17:45:48 timeless_mbp: perhaps time to hack it then ;) Mar 18 17:45:53 DrGrov: FAILNOKIA managed to entirely clobber the date format thing, you can't change it with less than changing your language it is hardcoded Mar 18 17:45:54 DrGrov: as i said, if you're willing to hack the localization it's possible Mar 18 17:46:05 lantizia: I run KDE 4.3 on my N810 Mar 18 17:46:13 * satmd wants to add that audacious feels and looks the same as xmms, you can call it their successor (it even supports the same plugins and themes) Mar 18 17:46:16 timeless_mbp: YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO HACK ANYTHING FOR THIS Mar 18 17:46:25 timeless_mbp: really, I get so so SO upset over this. Mar 18 17:46:28 thiago: I think theres too many "widget" format already... at least plasma attempts to be compatible with itself, karabama, google, and apple's Mar 18 17:46:29 tybollt: i shouldn't have to call nokia care Mar 18 17:46:35 but here i am trying to call them Mar 18 17:46:37 timeless_mbp: check _any other phone nokia ever released_ Mar 18 17:46:50 why doesn't Nokia just let you set the damn format yourself Mar 18 17:46:54 like in ALL THEIR OTHER PHONES Mar 18 17:46:58 :D Mar 18 17:47:07 arif++++++++++++++++++++++ Mar 18 17:47:14 tybollt: well i will be god damn pissed with this date and time settings. god freaking damn Mar 18 17:47:19 you lot have problems... Mar 18 17:47:23 luke-jr: think I could run Mer with KDE 4.3 on the N900 and have full phone functionality? :D Mar 18 17:47:26 DrGrov: yes, yes we all are Mar 18 17:47:28 tybollt: i will call nokia care and tell them that wtf is this all about? Mar 18 17:47:35 DrGrov: it is quite fricken insane. Mar 18 17:47:40 lantizia: Mer != KDE 4.3 Mar 18 17:47:43 nokia care will tell you to gtfo Mar 18 17:47:45 =} Mar 18 17:47:49 DrGrov: nokia care will not care Mar 18 17:47:56 Arif_: the other things don't run linux Mar 18 17:47:58 lantizia: get me a N900 and I'll get Gentoo and KDE 4.3 running Mar 18 17:47:58 luke-jr: are you vulcan? Mar 18 17:48:04 lantizia: Vulcan? Mar 18 17:48:05 tybollt: trust me, when i call them they will know that the fuc*** up Mar 18 17:48:11 :D Mar 18 17:48:12 so? Mar 18 17:48:19 luke-jr: yeah, a race in star trek who speak the obvious all too often Mar 18 17:48:21 linux is inferior to symbian? Mar 18 17:48:28 luke-jr: I know Mer isn't KDE Mar 18 17:48:47 lantizia: Mer is defined by its UI, as far as I'm concerned. Mar 18 17:48:48 DrGrov: I think the main problem is ... Nookla does not give a flying fuck, they sold the entire thing to intel instead ;) Mar 18 17:48:56 it wouldn't be Mer anymore if you ran KDE Mar 18 17:48:58 tybollt: and intel is awesome Mar 18 17:49:04 tybollt: that's why meego will be awesome Mar 18 17:49:10 debatable Mar 18 17:49:17 Arif_: no no, I have managed to get some feedback for the N97 that they implemented for the N97 later on. Seems like many people said this same thing. Mar 18 17:49:18 tybollt: i feel your pain :) Mar 18 17:49:33 Shapeshifter: Now I'm calling you fanboi and you will call me troll ;) Mar 18 17:49:43 tybollt: :D Mar 18 17:49:51 tybollt: they give a flying fuck once I get my hands on them Mar 18 17:49:55 DrGrov, they actually listened to you? :P Mar 18 17:50:23 Arif_: they had no choice. I told them how the situation is and my fucking damn, they listened... at least it seems like they listened. Mar 18 17:50:35 heh Mar 18 17:50:57 Arif_: I keep saying the same thing over and over and over again until *I* get what I want. I'm a stubborn SOB Mar 18 17:51:00 Arif_: lol Mar 18 17:51:14 sounds familiar Mar 18 17:51:14 :D Mar 18 17:52:28 Arif_: I mean, if Nokia says that they *can't* do anything about the locale settings for the N900 then I ask. You don't want or can't for example? Always a new type of Q&A already. Mar 18 17:53:18 tybollt: all I know is that my intel "iwl" wireless open source drivers work, my intel GMA945 linux open source graphics drivers work and that they made KMS and DRI2 for it. Mar 18 17:53:27 Arif_: God damn I crave for Enlightenment 16 or 17 for the N900.... Mar 18 17:53:32 * DrGrov is drooling over the keyboard Mar 18 17:53:55 port it Mar 18 17:53:56 ! Mar 18 17:54:39 DrGrov: i'm currently talking to nokia care Mar 18 17:54:54 DrGrov: http://www.linuxuk.org/2010/02/the-new-ui-for-arm-based-ubuntu-devices/ Mar 18 17:55:08 Shapeshifter: too bad the intel graphics adaptors suck :/ Mar 18 17:55:11 DrGrov: apparently enlightenment is sorta-running for ARM already Mar 18 17:55:28 DrGrov: you're encouraged to contact them Mar 18 17:55:29 microlith: for mobile purposes they're not that bad. Anything faster sucks more energy. Mar 18 17:55:36 and note that i am indeed taking my own advice Mar 18 17:55:40 and i'm suffering for it Mar 18 17:56:01 oh cool, apparently we ordered 4 at&t compatible nexus ones Mar 18 17:56:07 Shapeshifter: google "linux + poulsbo"... that's an epic intel FAIL if I ever saw one : Mar 18 17:56:39 tybollt: amusingly, that graphics chip is essentially a PowerVR chip Mar 18 17:56:41 tybollt: indeed that's epic fail ^^ Mar 18 17:56:54 microlith: I know :) Mar 18 17:57:04 tybollt: I must admit I think I'm pretty lucky with gma945. iirc, 845 drivers weren't brilliant either Mar 18 17:57:08 same for the 465 Mar 18 17:57:08 microlith: I am very much aware of that :) Mar 18 17:57:12 uhm 965 I meant Mar 18 17:58:27 mmm Mar 18 17:58:40 stupid WAN failures Mar 18 17:58:47 yeah Mar 18 17:58:52 and wlan Mar 18 17:58:53 intel linux graphics were complete FAIL till maybe a year Mar 18 17:59:01 drivers i mean Mar 18 17:59:07 I find that when connected to my home wlan for a longer period of time it stops working Mar 18 17:59:15 thresh: sure Mar 18 17:59:21 thresh: nah. this gma945 is three years old and I never had any problems. It only got better every few months Mar 18 17:59:31 yeah yeah yeah. tell me about it. Mar 18 17:59:36 tybollt: my wlan is also fine. iwl3945. but I think I'm lucky there as well. Mar 18 17:59:53 X were unable to set proper DPI for a year Mar 18 18:01:18 timeless_mbp: ah, any luck? Mar 18 18:01:26 mm Mar 18 18:01:29 picodrive update Mar 18 18:01:38 a changelog would be nice Mar 18 18:01:39 DrGrov: with nokia care? Mar 18 18:01:40 Shapeshifter: Thanks for the information, I will check what is happening. Mar 18 18:01:43 timeless_mbp: yeah. Mar 18 18:01:50 DrGrov: i've already written my own localizations Mar 18 18:01:55 i have an engb and an enus Mar 18 18:02:18 DrGrov: luck isn't something nokia care encourages Mar 18 18:03:05 * Trizt likes the engb Mar 18 18:03:58 Shapeshifter: that image is beautiful, http://www.linuxuk.org/images/ARM-UNE-Default-Screenshot.jpg Mar 18 18:05:18 aww mplayer icon is ugly Mar 18 18:06:11 DrGrov: well matter of taste ;) Mar 18 18:08:49 picodrive is fUN Mar 18 18:09:37 DrGrov: i think skype lost my call :( Mar 18 18:10:00 Now when my Conversations and Phone is not opening up from the desktop I wonder can I safely switch the power off when there is nothing open when I press the menu button? Mar 18 18:10:33 I am a bit scared of losing any contacts or such... :/ Mar 18 18:10:35 what? Mar 18 18:10:56 I mean if it is running in the background still but not visible... Mar 18 18:11:59 DrGrov: apps should be reasonably well behaved Mar 18 18:12:17 we have testers who in theory are not as well behaved and are responsible for ensuring the apps tolerate abusive users Mar 18 18:12:18 timeless_mbp: ok, so I open them from the menu and then I close them down and power off? Mar 18 18:12:52 in general even using the power button and pressing turn off or whatever should be relatively safe Mar 18 18:13:47 pupnik: picodrive?? Mar 18 18:15:08 timeless_mbp: ok, so just wait and check what happens if it opens the conversations and phone shortcuts and then close them down? Mar 18 18:15:47 DrGrov: most of the apps use sqlite databases which have a journal which should protect against general dataloss Mar 18 18:15:59 you could if you try hard enough lose the last couple of transactions Mar 18 18:16:04 timeless_mbp: i am getting frustrated here Mar 18 18:16:08 but in general, in theory, you shouldn't lose much more Mar 18 18:16:13 i'm not going to make promises Mar 18 18:16:15 ah god fucking damn! Mar 18 18:16:16 that'd be incredibly stupid of me Mar 18 18:16:26 now when I click the desktop icons of phone and conversations they open Mar 18 18:16:36 about god damn time something happened LOL Mar 18 18:16:48 http://ha.ckers.org/blog/20070803/mozilla-says-ten-fucking-days Mar 18 18:17:02 so now i open them and close them and then power off.? right? Mar 18 18:17:27 so now nothing should be running in the backgrounds once I close them, right? Mar 18 18:17:50 lots of things run in the background ;-) Mar 18 18:17:59 i am fucking stressed now with this... Mar 18 18:18:05 but nothing interesting should care about you turning it off if it's running in the background Mar 18 18:18:06 i need to know that i don't lose anything Mar 18 18:18:16 you shouldn't Mar 18 18:18:18 if you do, file a bug Mar 18 18:18:28 however, i'm not going to make such a promise Mar 18 18:18:32 mainly i only care about my current contacts that they are intact Mar 18 18:18:34 making promises is a bad idea Mar 18 18:18:40 DrGrov: Make a backup. Mar 18 18:18:40 so make a backup :) Mar 18 18:19:09 I've never seen any data get lost on power loss, unless it was something that was currently being edited, etc. Mar 18 18:19:10 otherwise i am not scared about... make a backup? ah yes, but i have a perfect backup actually which I take when I made all my contacts, settings and things as I want Mar 18 18:19:20 And I've done lots and lots of power loss testing. Mar 18 18:19:41 fwiw, my n900 ran out of power 3 times today Mar 18 18:19:49 afaict it didn't mind at all Mar 18 18:19:56 ah, it seems like when the phone has automatic lock the desktop "freezes" and takes long for the desktop shortcuts to open up Mar 18 18:20:09 ah, i will close down the automatic keylock after inactivity and sort of fix it hopefully with that Mar 18 18:20:23 DrGrov: Yes, it does that when it's on for a long time without a reboot :P Mar 18 18:20:27 timeless_mbp: ( we have abusive testers ) meeememememe! I wanna be one of that number :-) Mar 18 18:20:31 when mentioning, my original batter holds power less than the extra battery I bought Mar 18 18:20:39 MiXu-: ah thanks for the help :) i will switch the automatic keylock off. i like things manual Mar 18 18:20:48 DocScrutinizer: trust me, you don't Mar 18 18:20:53 LOL Mar 18 18:21:16 MiXu-: so it should help when I disable the automatic keylock? Mar 18 18:21:34 DrGrov: No. It helps when you reboot. Mar 18 18:21:47 are they held in a cage in the second floor below ground? Mar 18 18:21:48 Hopefully PR1.2 will improve things. Mar 18 18:21:50 MiXu-: according to the menu what I have for checking multitasking nothing is running. It opens the menu normally Mar 18 18:22:08 MiXu-: ok, just a plain reboot then ;) but not taking out the battery LOL Mar 18 18:22:16 Yeah Mar 18 18:22:37 You won't lose anything even if you pull out the battery. Mar 18 18:22:51 But it's not necessary, so why would you. :) Mar 18 18:22:51 MiXu-: so then when it opens the menu normally and not having anything in the background I will not lose anything? Mar 18 18:23:07 Yeah Mar 18 18:23:12 MiXu-: yeah true, why take out the battery... LOL Mar 18 18:23:19 DrGrov: are you using desktop execution widgets? Mar 18 18:23:38 Shapeshifter: I use Contacts, Phone, my fiancee shortcut on the desktop Mar 18 18:23:55 well then nevermind Mar 18 18:24:11 MiXu-: ok, here goes. nothing in the multitasking, just a normal menu. Mar 18 18:24:20 Yep. Don't worry. Mar 18 18:24:22 though "freezing" of the desktop is definetely not normal. It happens only when one of the widgets is taking a long time for something as everything is one thread Mar 18 18:24:34 (e.g. desktop exectuion widget stuff) Mar 18 18:24:37 Shapeshifter; what did you think of saying? I begun to use it recently Mar 18 18:24:41 Shapeshifter: My device gets to a point where stuff freeze for a while. Mar 18 18:24:52 If it's been long since last reboot Mar 18 18:25:11 MiXu-: it has been 2-2,5 days since last reboot Mar 18 18:25:25 MiXu-: ok, power is off. now rebooting Mar 18 18:25:31 18:25:31 up 5 days, 4:09, load average: 0.25, 0.14, 0.06 Mar 18 18:25:34 Hmm. That's not very long. Hopefully reboot solves your problem. Mar 18 18:25:35 wfm Mar 18 18:25:36 Trizt: as said above, desktop execution widget can "freeze" the desktop when a command takes a long time. e.g. getting the "external" IP might require seconds or longer. in that time, the desktop is pretty much frozen Mar 18 18:26:04 Shapeshifter: You don't need desktop widgets to get some of that freezing. Mar 18 18:26:20 Shapeshifter; roger, I have just battery checks, update only on request Mar 18 18:26:22 MiXu-: it seems like it became more responsive now again after I opened the Phone and Conversations from the desktop a few times... Sort of a hibernate state? Mar 18 18:26:34 General usage makes the device slower gradually. Mar 18 18:26:39 And reboot helps. Mar 18 18:26:44 MiXu-: any widget that does stuff freezes the desktop. Mar 18 18:26:57 MiXu-: why do you think that is? that's not very linuxy Mar 18 18:27:02 and it shouldn't be. Mar 18 18:27:03 MiXu-: any need for me to check the Contacts if I lost anything? Mar 18 18:27:09 Shapeshifter; the only thing I hate is the damn hildon-thumbnail, it seems to get running from time to time and takes 100% cpu power Mar 18 18:27:15 (and I don't notice anything after 7d uptime, not very long, yeah) Mar 18 18:27:22 Shapeshifter: I don't know what's the root cause. Mar 18 18:27:37 DrGrov: No. Rebooting is normal and you don't have to worry about it. Mar 18 18:28:20 MiXu-: ah good, on the S60 platform I wasn't nearly this freaked out about losing information... I had some painful memories on my desktop computer with Linux on and shit hit the fan literally Mar 18 18:29:07 Shapeshifter: And as interesting the topic is, I don't really want to go to details, since I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to say. Mar 18 18:29:42 MiXu-: ohh, sneaky Mar 18 18:29:55 freezing for a few (dozen) seconds is quite common on heavy swapping Mar 18 18:33:18 DrGrov: you shouldn't place your linux server next to the toilet ;-P Mar 18 18:33:41 DocScrutinizer, LOL Mar 18 18:33:55 can be longer on a slow machine Mar 18 18:34:12 DocScrutinizer: no, damn no :) LOL Mar 18 18:34:29 DrGrov: you said literally Mar 18 18:34:55 DocScrutinizer: it was a bit of PITA. Yeah, literally but not so literally as shit *actually* coming through the computer or so. LOL Mar 18 18:35:08 DocScrutinizer: not even close :D Mar 18 18:35:24 wait what channel is this?? Mar 18 18:36:02 #muano Mar 18 18:36:09 lol Mar 18 18:36:25 does microb have any support for the video tag? Mar 18 18:37:12 dmj726_n900: afaik no Mar 18 18:37:12 not today Mar 18 18:37:30 when the fremantle project was set up... Mar 18 18:37:46 nokia lawyers and managers didn't really agree with some of the requirements gecko had to play video Mar 18 18:37:53 and there wasn't an implemented alternative Mar 18 18:38:02 there is ongoing work on the alternative Mar 18 18:38:18 and for harmattan, the lawyers/managers have supposedly changed their minds Mar 18 18:38:40 dmj726_n900: but you can use Firefox for Mobile! Mar 18 18:38:47 ah cool...makes me want harmattan on my n900 Mar 18 18:39:18 i think Firefox for Mobile will give you 2 or 3 (video) frames per second Mar 18 18:39:24 (on your n900) Mar 18 18:39:39 hehe Mar 18 18:39:42 note that management generally objects to features which demo poorly Mar 18 18:39:46 that would qualify Mar 18 18:39:51 wonder why its so slow Mar 18 18:40:05 my numbers could be wrong, i don't use it Mar 18 18:40:11 i noticed it was slow in iceweasel Mar 18 18:40:55 probably pushed to screen in RGB Mar 18 18:41:23 so, one of the things to keep in mind is that ogg in Firefox for Mobile 1.0 doesn't use the DSP Mar 18 18:41:47 which places it at a comparative disadvantage to video players which do use it Mar 18 18:42:09 which is a real pitty Mar 18 18:42:13 Well... theora on DSP was "almost realtime at 640x480" iirc ;) Mar 18 18:42:19 i believe there's now an (perhaps not quite finalized) ogg codec for the n900's DSP Mar 18 18:42:31 which would enable some future product to take advantage of that Mar 18 18:42:39 but afaiu it wasn't in 1.0 Mar 18 18:43:02 ogg is a container. vorbis is an audio codec. theora is a video codec. :P Mar 18 18:43:08 X-Fade, Hi, please can you take a look at bug #9608 and bug #9494 ... if you developpers use extras repository ... Mar 18 18:43:10 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9608 Wrong bugtracker link Mar 18 18:43:11 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9494 Old icon is displayed instead of the new one Mar 18 18:43:14 X-Fade, Hi, please can you take a look at bug #9608 and bug #9494 ... if you want developpers use extras repository ... Mar 18 18:43:30 note that my understanding of what's in / out or the perf characteristics of Firefox for Mobile is very very poor Mar 18 18:43:37 so please please don't quote me on any of that Mar 18 18:43:51 check for yourself, try it for yourself Mar 18 18:44:27 * andrewfblack wonders about fiferboy he was helping me with some programs but has been gone from all communitcations for like 2 weeks Mar 18 18:45:12 are you frakking kidding me? Do I actually have to manually copy the RGB values from a pixbuf to convert from RGBA to RGB?!?!? Mar 18 18:45:29 There has to be a better way. Mar 18 18:45:39 hmm Mar 18 18:45:43 sygic works quite well Mar 18 18:45:53 Arif_, how well? Mar 18 18:46:04 it locks in 10 seconds inside my house Mar 18 18:46:11 Arif_, are we talking proper navigator - well? Mar 18 18:46:12 oh ok. Mar 18 18:46:42 I walked around with it outside for a bit Mar 18 18:46:44 =D Mar 18 18:46:59 I didn't test it properly in a car though Mar 18 18:47:30 Arif_, are you beta testing it? Mar 18 18:47:45 ...no Mar 18 18:47:51 mece: use a xerox Mar 18 18:47:51 you can buy it now.. Mar 18 18:48:57 Arif_: does it do turn by turn? Mar 18 18:49:02 yea Mar 18 18:49:06 with voices Mar 18 18:49:14 there's even a Turkish woman talking :D Mar 18 18:49:41 awesome Mar 18 18:50:11 the map colors are a bit weird Mar 18 18:50:12 =D Mar 18 18:50:33 since when are roads black? Mar 18 18:51:13 hrm, i might actually buy that Mar 18 18:51:28 wtf? buy what? Mar 18 18:51:34 Sygic Mar 18 18:51:40 sygic http://www.fonearena.com/blog/2010/03/18/sygic-finally-launches-first-turn-by-turn-navigation-app-for-nokia-n900.html Mar 18 18:51:46 video helps :P Mar 18 18:52:24 uhm Mar 18 18:52:30 whats that pointer doing on the video? Mar 18 18:52:31 OTOH that is paying for what millions of nokia-users get free of charge how FAIL is that? Mar 18 18:52:49 no no Mar 18 18:52:51 indeed Mar 18 18:52:55 Nokia users are getting Ovi maps for free Mar 18 18:53:04 and Moogo users will too apparently Mar 18 18:53:19 Nokia's basically telling Moomo users to go fuck themselves Mar 18 18:53:22 =) Mar 18 18:53:31 nokia users are getting turn by turn _free_ mongoo users do not :) Mar 18 18:53:50 Arif_: that is correct Mar 18 18:53:55 they are :) Mar 18 18:54:05 I have an N95 8GB though Mar 18 18:54:13 :D Mar 18 18:55:05 I want a 5800 with a bigger screen Mar 18 18:57:41 * timeless_mbp tries to watch the video from sygic Mar 18 18:58:37 my maps dont look anythinglike those in the video Mar 18 18:58:41 they're all dark ehre Mar 18 18:59:03 night mode? Mar 18 18:59:12 * DocScrutinizer treats Arif_'s notion of 'correct trolling' with a lerge Luser Attitude Recalibration Tool Mar 18 18:59:44 * Arif_ throws sygic at DocScrutinizer Mar 18 19:00:47 can't be worse than route66 Mar 18 19:01:04 and I survived that one :-P Mar 18 19:01:06 I liked garmin on S60 Mar 18 19:01:10 LMFAO WARNING: PROGRAMMING BUG IN E2FSCK! Mar 18 19:01:13 OR SOME BONEHEAD (YOU) IS CHECKING A MOUNTED (LIVE) FILESYSTEM. Mar 18 19:01:38 MohammadAG, lolwut Mar 18 19:01:57 Arif_, doing an e2fsck on the MMC (it went corrupt) Mar 18 19:02:03 kekekeke Mar 18 19:02:08 lol Mar 18 19:02:14 unmount ftw? Mar 18 19:02:16 it called me a bonehead :( Mar 18 19:02:17 * DocScrutinizer cackles evily Mar 18 19:02:26 Arif_, umount* Mar 18 19:02:37 you should've taken off the battery cover first! :P Mar 18 19:02:52 orly? that was what I was doing! Mar 18 19:02:58 *chuckle* Mar 18 19:03:35 Arif_, I hate the battery cover thing Mar 18 19:03:39 you didn't take it off properly! :P Mar 18 19:03:56 thinking about adding Unmount MicroSD in the power button menu (systemui) Mar 18 19:04:09 Arif_, how's the map scrolling in sygic? Mar 18 19:04:16 pretty smooth Mar 18 19:04:18 but Mar 18 19:04:22 was sygic released? Mar 18 19:04:24 * DocScrutinizer heard the only correct way to take battery cover off is to drop the device from 5th floor to concrete pavement Mar 18 19:04:26 I haven't used it in a car Mar 18 19:04:30 so can't say for sure Mar 18 19:04:41 Arif_, I mean if you manually scroll Mar 18 19:04:47 ah Mar 18 19:04:48 DocScrutinizer, should try that sometime... Mar 18 19:04:50 good :D Mar 18 19:04:52 because scrolling ovi maps makes me cry Mar 18 19:05:01 DocScrutinizer, the manual doesn't say that! Mar 18 19:05:05 it turns smoothly too if I spin in circles :p Mar 18 19:05:13 Arif_, cool Mar 18 19:05:32 Arif_, so all in all seems like a quality product? Mar 18 19:05:54 Arif_, when was it released? Mar 18 19:06:20 this is getting annoying, I'm blaming the programming language now Mar 18 19:06:22 dunno, I saw it today Mar 18 19:06:28 WARNING: PROGRAMMING BUG IN E2FSCK! Mar 18 19:06:29 OR SOME BONEHEAD (YOU) IS CHECKING A MOUNTED (LIVE) FILESYSTEM. Mar 18 19:06:41 yeah nice bug Mar 18 19:06:41 LOL Mar 18 19:06:50 mece, I heard it lags when you drive Mar 18 19:06:53 so can't say for sure Mar 18 19:06:53 :D Mar 18 19:06:59 launched todat apparently Mar 18 19:07:02 today Mar 18 19:07:06 mece: ovimaps scrolling a a gashead. It rerenders all streetnames vor each pixel of movement Mar 18 19:07:39 DocScrutinizer, is that what causes the problem? Mar 18 19:07:51 I'd guess yes Mar 18 19:08:10 lemme check. Mar 18 19:09:02 I already found a problem though Mar 18 19:09:07 the set language isn't remembered Mar 18 19:09:13 it defaults to English all the time Mar 18 19:10:34 report as a bug? Mar 18 19:11:20 is there going to be a better qrcode reader out for the n900 other than mbarcode Mar 18 19:13:20 hmm Mar 18 19:13:28 all the setings reset when you close sygic :D Mar 18 19:13:37 bummer, no israel maps for sygic Mar 18 19:13:59 Arif_, maybe your /home/user directory is corrupt :p Mar 18 19:14:14 I don't do funky stuff with that folder Mar 18 19:14:15 :p Mar 18 19:16:10 thinking about formatting my MMC and screwing fsck Mar 18 19:16:19 * microlith sighs as browserd dies again Mar 18 19:18:02 Arif_, mkfs.ext3 is the command to format into ext3 right? Mar 18 19:18:15 no idea Mar 18 19:18:20 Windows doesn't support that ;D Mar 18 19:19:27 Arif_, and I care because? :p Mar 18 19:19:30 screw windows Mar 18 19:20:04 I use my card to boot a non accelerated OS (mer) Mar 18 19:20:36 really need to install LXDE as the hildon window manager is slow Mar 18 19:21:04 This filesystem will be automatically checked every 22 mounts or Mar 18 19:21:06 180 days, whichever comes first. Use tune2fs -c or -i to override. Mar 18 19:21:26 I'll unmount it more than 222 times in 180 days Mar 18 19:24:13 oh, maemo was accepted for gsoc Mar 18 19:24:30 weird Mar 18 19:24:37 Stskeeps: what about meego? Mar 18 19:24:51 maemo dot org, that is Mar 18 19:25:04 timeless_mbp: think noone pushed for it, as there wasn't much of an established project at the time Mar 18 19:25:30 DocScrutinizer, flasher (on the N900 itself) can flash the zImage right? Mar 18 19:25:36 (some might argue there isn't even now) Mar 18 19:25:45 MohammadAG: aiui yes Mar 18 19:26:45 DocScrutinizer, nope, --local doesn't work :( Mar 18 19:26:47 Nokia-N900-02-8:~# flasher --local -k /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/zImage -f -R Mar 18 19:26:48 flasher v2.8.2 (Jan 18 2010) Mar 18 19:26:48 Could not connect to '127.0.0.1' Mar 18 19:26:58 .. --local? Mar 18 19:26:58 :P Mar 18 19:27:22 Stskeeps, without it Suitable USB device not found, waiting. Mar 18 19:27:24 * Stskeeps ponders if there's an area of maemo he didn't explore yet Mar 18 19:27:55 it's a relatively new feature Mar 18 19:28:05 iiuc Mar 18 19:28:24 MohammadAG: there is some initscript or somesuch than uses a script that uses flasher --local to OTA SSU the kernel Mar 18 19:29:18 it's a poorly implemented hack actually Mar 18 19:31:52 DocScrutinizer, so it can't flash it without installing a package? Mar 18 19:32:56 DocScrutinizer: http://pastie.org/875974 Mar 18 19:33:00 DocScrutinizer: any suggestions? Mar 18 19:33:17 MohammadAG: I don't think it's related to packages. But obviously it's a little tricky to flash a kernel from within a system. I guess the have a hook in initrd or something Mar 18 19:33:39 DocScrutinizer: ever heard of kexec? ;) Mar 18 19:34:08 I heard it doesn't work on maemo. No idea if that's been rant or correct info Mar 18 19:34:16 doesn't work at the moment Mar 18 19:34:21 one can be lucky if it works anywhere Mar 18 19:34:24 well, in .32-33 it does but :P Mar 18 19:34:32 and doesn't eat the system alive instead Mar 18 19:39:14 o_o Mar 18 19:39:46 DocScrutinizer: any suggestions for the alarmed cli options? Apart from the regular stuff, I'll make it possible to supply a cron-like string. i.e. alarmed.py -Cc '2 20 * * *' Mar 18 19:40:02 mompls Mar 18 19:40:21 Installed this, hope it actually does something, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=568594 Mar 18 19:41:04 brb Mar 18 19:41:50 Shapeshifter: I'd replace --next and --tomorrow by a datestring analog to info:/coreutils/Date input formats Mar 18 19:42:25 Shapeshifter: yeah, the cronlike stuff is ubercute Mar 18 19:43:40 Shapeshifter: (replace --next) --date "next friday"; --date "now + 10 minutes" Mar 18 19:45:08 device seems snappier, not sure if it's just human psychology Mar 18 19:48:10 snappier? what did I miss? Mar 18 19:55:06 DocScrutinizer: mhh Mar 18 19:57:14 DocScrutinizer: I didn't know date had such input string parsing Mar 18 19:57:45 hmm Mar 18 19:57:46 Shapeshifter: nota bene for date "fri" is now + 2 day, while "next fri" is now + 9 days Mar 18 19:57:53 sygic's sounds are in the media player Mar 18 19:57:54 =D Mar 18 19:58:15 1 and 8 actually Mar 18 19:58:43 Heya guys. Mar 18 19:58:44 DocScrutinizer: mhh Mar 18 19:59:06 Would you guys still say it's worth buying a N900, or should I wait for the next version of N? Mar 18 19:59:42 The main thing is: Will there be more restrictions in the next platform, MeeGo, than there is now? So you can't mess with it as much. Mar 18 20:00:32 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=572350#post572350 Mar 18 20:00:32 marcus_: maemo5 is still a cool os Mar 18 20:00:34 why would you want an n900 Mar 18 20:00:40 marcus_, you want to get the n900 because you fear meego would be more restrictive? Mar 18 20:00:42 why wouldnt you? Mar 18 20:00:58 marcus_: and MeeGo is supposed to be fully open source in the core, maybe with some closed differentiation on top and hardware Mar 18 20:00:59 mikhas: Yes. In restrictions I mean the terminal etc. Mar 18 20:01:04 it can't be worse, for sure Mar 18 20:01:19 DocScrutinizer: w00t there's python2.5-dateutil in the repos. that makes this proposal very easy to implement :) Mar 18 20:01:20 Any idea when MeeGo will be released? Mar 18 20:01:24 Stskeeps will make sure that Meego 1ups Mer, so I am not afraid Mar 18 20:01:34 Shapeshifter: hooray :-)) Mar 18 20:01:54 anyone find the network connection flakey sometimes? Mar 18 20:01:55 marcus_: day one is approaching Mar 18 20:02:12 I'm wondering if its the power management Mar 18 20:02:15 Stskeeps: So recommend me to wait a while and save the money till then? Mar 18 20:02:38 As of now, the n900 looks like a pleasure to me, but if there is coming something better up soon, that would probably be worth waiting for. Mar 18 20:02:50 marcus_: jeg elsker min n900, saa det kan jeg ikke anbefale :) - tror ikke der er ny hardware ud lige pt Mar 18 20:03:08 Shapeshifter: I'm missing an option to *not* trigger an alarm if the device isn't powered up Mar 18 20:03:27 Stskeeps: Haha, super (: Må hellere spare sammen så. Elsker det at man kan programmere sit eget på den. Mar 18 20:03:34 marcus_: the n900's a computer so treat it as such :P Mar 18 20:03:56 Stskeeps: When did you get yours? :P Mar 18 20:04:16 hrm, production one? at maemo summit Mar 18 20:04:19 DocScrutinizer: I don't see anything to make that possible in pymaemo. Mar 18 20:04:42 Shapeshifter: a shame Mar 18 20:04:44 (october) Mar 18 20:04:51 can't live without it now :P Mar 18 20:05:28 Stskeeps: Haha (: What if I am only able to purchase one in 2-3 months, still worth it? (Hopefully the price will be a few kroners less then). Mar 18 20:05:28 same here :-P Mar 18 20:06:51 DocScrutinizer: I really don't get what the pymaemo people were doing when they made these bindings Mar 18 20:06:52 marcus_: I'll try to get a (spare) N900 before any successor rolls out and possibly the N900 will be discontinued Mar 18 20:07:03 1/3 of the options are missing although it's almost trivial to include them Mar 18 20:07:05 Shapeshifter: yeah :-S Mar 18 20:07:35 marcus_: if you care about resistive screens, get one, they're a dying race :( Mar 18 20:07:38 id.... erhrrm Mar 18 20:07:39 DocScrutinizer: The thing is though, even if it's discontinued by Nokia, it would still be able to be modified by the users because of it's open'ness. Mar 18 20:07:47 Shapeshifter: What are the new ones then? Mar 18 20:07:55 capacitive :/ Mar 18 20:08:02 marcus_: capacitive. the glassy smooth ones that are inaccurate Mar 18 20:08:19 marcus_: I'm talking about the N900 physical device aka hardware Mar 18 20:08:30 Shapeshifter: Why would you get an inaccurate one, when you can get the accurates one? :P Mar 18 20:09:03 marcus_: capacitive is more inaccuare then resistive, and resistive ones are almost gone. Mar 18 20:09:25 marienz: n900 successor is very likely to be capacitive. Mar 18 20:09:27 why would you want to wait for N900++ then, on that very reason? Mar 18 20:09:38 DocScrutinizer: Good point indeed. Mar 18 20:09:40 capacitive sucks balls. Mar 18 20:09:50 I oughta get a n900. I'm tired of my W810i. Mar 18 20:10:01 DocScrutinizer: I said he should _get an n900 now_ instead of waiting if he cares about resistive. Mar 18 20:10:28 Shapeshifter: yes, wasn't addressed to you Mar 18 20:10:30 Shapeshifter: Are you saying that the n900 will be using capacitive some day? Mar 18 20:10:51 nonono Mar 18 20:10:58 Goodie. Mar 18 20:11:04 Moller: no, how should that work. nokia will knock on your door, grab your n900, rip the screen out and put a capacitive one in? Mar 18 20:11:19 that'd be leet though Mar 18 20:11:19 :P Mar 18 20:11:24 I hate when that happens. Mar 18 20:11:24 Shapeshifter: Nope, but stop selling the ones with resistive (: Mar 18 20:11:26 Indeed :P Mar 18 20:11:51 Moller: I'll try to get a (spare) N900 before any successor rolls out and possibly the N900 will be discontinued Mar 18 20:12:20 I want an extra one too Mar 18 20:12:31 I want 3 Mar 18 20:12:34 :-P Mar 18 20:12:49 i want one for development Mar 18 20:12:49 :P Mar 18 20:13:47 mh. the n900 is all but perfect. I think sooner or later there will be a device equally okay. Mar 18 20:14:44 i just want a slate, really Mar 18 20:14:45 :P Mar 18 20:14:54 in varying sizes and functionalities Mar 18 20:15:26 * Stskeeps looks at his collection Mar 18 20:15:47 lol Mar 18 20:16:05 2-3 dead 770's, 2x n800, 1x n810, 1x freerunner, 1x zoom2 devel kit, 1x joggler, 1x smartq.. Mar 18 20:16:11 I just have this one. and I keep dropping it. Mar 18 20:16:11 and a n900 obviously Mar 18 20:16:12 wow Mar 18 20:16:17 * Stskeeps wonders what else he has Mar 18 20:16:29 I have an ngage. Mar 18 20:16:31 BTW: How about the keypad thingy. Can you write just as fast on it like any other phone with only 12 keys? Mar 18 20:16:43 i'm quite good at it even with fat fingers Mar 18 20:16:55 Moller, que? Mar 18 20:16:57 you learn to use your thumbs nicely Mar 18 20:17:06 Moller: not really keypad, keyboard Mar 18 20:17:06 :P Mar 18 20:17:17 Stskeeps: Ye, didn't really know what to call it :3 Mar 18 20:17:26 wooooohaaa a zoom-II ??? /me envy Mar 18 20:18:08 nice device, but i need to spend more time on it Mar 18 20:18:18 Python<3 Mar 18 20:18:20 ( http://www.logicpd.com/products/development-kits/texas-instruments-zoom%25E2%2584%25A2-omap34x-ii-mdp ) Mar 18 20:18:39 ooh, pretty :p Mar 18 20:18:40 well I got it the SD card is protruding ;-S Mar 18 20:19:23 and I assume you also weren't able to get one with 3G ? Mar 18 20:19:51 unsure actually, there's a sim slot Mar 18 20:20:11 o.O Mar 18 20:20:49 Moller: I get to about 25wpm or so with the n900 Mar 18 20:21:03 SpeedEvil: WPM? Mar 18 20:21:14 ? Mar 18 20:21:17 words per minute Mar 18 20:21:23 yes Mar 18 20:21:29 DocScrutinizer: will probably put meego on it when day one arrives Mar 18 20:21:29 :P Mar 18 20:21:38 I guess that is nice? :P Mar 18 20:21:39 * SpeedEvil wonders if Moller does not make flying cars. Mar 18 20:22:06 wonders how you guys do that... Mar 18 20:22:14 Moller: for a portable device - it's not bad - I think it's possible for me to hit about 35 if I stop looking at teh keyboard. Mar 18 20:22:25 I can hit about 90% accuracy if I don't look. Mar 18 20:22:34 * Mece_ uses /me to emote Mar 18 20:22:35 Really need a smart autocorrector for that thoguh Mar 18 20:22:57 Moller: i have strong suspicions the touchscreen on n900 is actually cocaine, as it's a horridly addictive device Mar 18 20:23:06 * Moller licks Mece_ Mar 18 20:23:34 Stskeeps: Don't make me mad I can't afford one yet. I'm only 16 years old, and earning like 100-150 dollars a month :P Mar 18 20:24:04 lol Mar 18 20:24:30 Moller: Have you considered a career in arms dealing? Mar 18 20:24:33 Moller, well, borrow from mom Mar 18 20:24:45 [21:22:43] I can hit about 90% accuracy if I don't look. Mar 18 20:24:57 SpeedEvil: Nah, CBA. Mar 18 20:25:10 i can hit 98% without looking Mar 18 20:25:15 yay me Mar 18 20:25:19 Mece_: That would mean I'd have to do the lawn a thousand times. Hah ;9 Mar 18 20:25:21 Fred: actually - it's more like 95% Mar 18 20:25:30 (i have small fingers though) Mar 18 20:25:35 Moller: I funded my n900 partially through a planned diet. Mar 18 20:25:38 I GOT BLISTERS ON MA FINGERS Mar 18 20:25:48 SpeedEvil: I was thinking the exact same thing! Mar 18 20:26:07 SpeedEvil: Do you have a book or something? "How to get your n900 in a week using this diet!" Mar 18 20:26:11 Moller: subsidising it from savings in food budget by preplanning meals, and cooking in bulk lots of tasty cheap stuff and freezing. Mar 18 20:26:25 Moller: I have a wlog. Mar 18 20:26:32 http://www.mauve.plus.com/weight.gif Mar 18 20:26:44 gnuplot? Mar 18 20:26:48 ++ Mar 18 20:26:48 :P Mar 18 20:27:11 N900 is great Mar 18 20:27:28 It be better than sex mon. Mar 18 20:27:29 SpeedEvil's favorite damn link. Mar 18 20:27:30 (I found http://www.livestrong.com/myplate/ of some use) Mar 18 20:27:40 * jacekowski is using hotel wifi without paying for it Mar 18 20:27:41 GeneralAntilles: I gotta get adwords setup on it. Mar 18 20:27:59 * Moller alarms the hotel about jacekowski's abuse Mar 18 20:28:31 jacekowski: i found out that ssh/tcp connections stay up after paying for 20 min time in helsinki airport.. that was most excellent Mar 18 20:28:36 * DocScrutinizer feels hungry now... that's the result Mar 18 20:28:55 of course you can't see web pages easily but :) Mar 18 20:28:55 there is one thing about it thats annoying Mar 18 20:29:18 Moller: re n900 future, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 Mar 18 20:29:28 my school blocks websites by using the exact url name, and not the ip. Mar 18 20:29:29 i'm in france (roaming) and i'm trying to make a photo with enabled geotagging Mar 18 20:29:31 jacekowski, dns tunnel? Mar 18 20:29:33 bye Mar 18 20:29:44 Stskeeps: I am worried by nature. Mar 18 20:29:48 and it keeps asking me to connect to internet Mar 18 20:29:58 Stskeeps: #!/bin/bash Mar 18 20:29:59 ssh -v -N -D localhost:8888 speedevil@santrex Mar 18 20:30:18 SpeedEvil: yes, -D is most excellent Mar 18 20:30:18 Stskeeps: where you replace the account with some account you have, then point the browser at teh socks proxy Mar 18 20:30:26 is it possible to just stop it Mar 18 20:30:27 SpeedEvil: i use that personally to watch hului Mar 18 20:30:28 :P Mar 18 20:31:01 you still cant change to socks without going to about:config which is a pain though Mar 18 20:31:31 C-S-B: or using firefox Mar 18 20:31:45 C-S-B: nah, just playing around with macchanger Mar 18 20:32:01 timeless_mbp: actually, Linux Foundation is on there Mar 18 20:32:04 jacekowski, assuming paid for account owners macs? Mar 18 20:32:15 yes Mar 18 20:32:49 jacekowski, lol, done that myself before. The guilt will kick in at one point. How are you deuthing the users? Mar 18 20:32:59 ah, we're in GSoC again :p Mar 18 20:33:06 i'm not going to pay 10 euro for a day of internet Mar 18 20:33:19 thats cheap compared to what ive seen Mar 18 20:34:54 well it's little bit less than what i'm paying for a month at home Mar 18 20:35:09 Does capacitive screens not last forever? On Wiki it says the durability is 2 years. Mar 18 20:35:34 nothing lasts forever Mar 18 20:36:05 jacekowski: "we both know hearts can change". November Rain by Guns N Roses (: Mar 18 20:36:11 I have got to get me this Mar 18 20:36:11 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Pointed_nail.png Mar 18 20:39:26 depending on particular technology a c-ts might age more quickly than you'd like to think Mar 18 20:39:27 but i'm amazed how they managed to getfast internet and electricity here Mar 18 20:40:11 some of them use "frozen static charge" (dunno how to say it any better) Mar 18 20:40:16 (tignes) Mar 18 20:40:16 question guys, when ever I mount through sshfs or usb, i have to open nautilus with sudo ( or su user) in order to get write access. Any easier way to do this? Such as changing the username on my phone to match my laptop? Mar 18 20:40:29 well username = uid Mar 18 20:41:01 ~/.ssh/config might help Mar 18 20:41:28 satmd, is that for me? Mar 18 20:41:34 yes Mar 18 20:41:44 how would that help? Mar 18 20:41:54 change username Mar 18 20:41:57 you can store per connection settings Mar 18 20:41:58 e.g. Mar 18 20:42:02 Host IPOFN900 Mar 18 20:42:07 the connection is fine. Mar 18 20:42:07 User user Mar 18 20:42:15 I understand .ssh/comnfig Mar 18 20:42:29 k Mar 18 20:42:54 What I mean is my laptops user cannot write to the fs so I have to run as root on my laptop Mar 18 20:43:11 mece any side effects? Mar 18 20:43:39 Mece_, ^ Mar 18 20:44:36 VDVsx: linux foundation too, it looks like Mar 18 20:44:42 C-S-B, well, you could just create a user for mounting I suppose? Mar 18 20:44:55 Stskeeps, yup, that's normal Mar 18 20:45:14 C-S-B, haven't tested. Mar 18 20:45:30 Stskeeps, Qt and OE had bad luck :( Mar 18 20:45:39 and transfix Mar 18 20:46:15 Mece_ i have created a 'user' user which I can su to, but for ease, I'd like plug and play. Mar 18 20:46:52 hmm ok now I understand the problem Mar 18 20:48:51 C-S-B, but ok, cant you use another username for mounting? Mar 18 20:50:19 Mece_ that would mean su'ing everytime, it would be easier if my phone username matched my laptop Mar 18 20:52:24 C-S-B, are you mounting laptop on the N900? Im not sure I follow? Mar 18 20:53:25 Mece_ mount n900 on laptop either by usb or sshfs Mar 18 20:53:50 ok.. and you su... on the N900? Mar 18 20:54:07 err Mar 18 20:54:19 su on the laptop (well I normally just open nautillus with sudo) Mar 18 20:54:40 and with a root nautilus open I can write to the n900 Mar 18 20:56:38 ok I c Mar 18 20:56:44 that does sound like a bug on your os Mar 18 20:57:31 you could check up sshfs's manpages, iirc they have settings regarding permissions Mar 18 20:57:43 and btw Mar 18 20:57:50 nautilus can speak ssh natively Mar 18 20:57:58 satmd, o rly? Mar 18 20:58:05 sftp://user@ip/ Mar 18 20:58:21 ya. just type in the adressbar Mar 18 20:58:55 I thought that is what you were doing. Mar 18 21:00:13 and I just forgot until just now Mar 18 21:00:17 the problem I think is caused by the fact that root mounts N900 as user, and non-root cant write to the mountpoint because files are owned by wrong user, no? Mar 18 21:05:24 ok, as a wireless solution the sftp thing works, but with a usb conection, I dont get write access by default. Mar 18 21:06:58 suppose I can cope with sftp, I can always run root nautlis if I use usb, just seem a bit backward... Mar 18 21:08:11 do you mount using /etc/fstab? Mar 18 21:08:31 try adding an option user to the line and mount as a normal user Mar 18 21:09:17 e.g. Mar 18 21:09:36 user@127.0.0.2:/home/user /mnt/n900 sshfs user 0 0 Mar 18 21:09:46 from my memory... probably needs lot of tweaking Mar 18 21:10:05 haven't used sshfs in ages Mar 18 21:12:56 it could be worse... Mar 18 21:13:35 pupnik, howto bypass pulse in mediaplayer plz? Mar 18 21:14:59 pupnik, any downsides? Mar 18 21:17:53 when will be the next release of maemo with the wpa enterprise fix? Mar 18 21:19:59 pupnik? Mar 18 21:23:59 Otacon22: I bet the answer to that question is "When its ready" Mar 18 21:24:37 I bet it's not. Mar 18 21:27:13 Otacon22, whats the prob? Mar 18 21:27:21 I get network drops sometimes... Mar 18 21:27:35 WPA2 EAP TLS does not work Mar 18 21:27:38 on N900 Mar 18 21:27:48 DocScrutinizer: scratchbox "date" ftl Mar 18 21:27:56 i've already discussed about that here Mar 18 21:28:01 huhu Mar 18 21:28:05 and now i'm waiting for the fix in the next release Mar 18 21:28:13 date -d 'now +1 hour' --> date: invalid date 'now +1 hour' Mar 18 21:28:53 oh and have I mentioned that ddate is missing? :> Mar 18 21:30:28 well it's probably date from busybox Mar 18 21:30:32 what do you expect Mar 18 21:31:27 * pupnik is annoyed by sound blips and skips in picodrive Mar 18 21:31:35 thresh: yeah that's what I said. oh no that wasn't what I said >.> I meant "busybox date ftl" Mar 18 21:32:17 :) Mar 18 21:36:34 pupnik, do you have that picodrive sometimes just freezes occasionally? Mar 18 21:38:15 not yet. sometimes it goes back to the main screen Mar 18 21:38:32 hm Mar 18 21:38:34 nope never had that Mar 18 21:38:49 I can't adjust teh sound though Mar 18 21:38:55 I have to go to the menu first Mar 18 21:39:17 * Arif_ played through half of Sonic3&Knuckles Mar 18 21:40:58 DocScrutinizer: and crap, the dateutils module doesn't do this sort of parsing either. Either I need to add coreutils as a dependency and use subprocess or parse it myself. Mar 18 21:41:00 * MohammadAG likes that game Mar 18 21:42:35 I'm al for coreutils. I hate busybox anyway Mar 18 21:42:46 busybox is ok where it's needed. Mar 18 21:44:20 Yeah. It's good for minimsing per-proces pss Mar 18 21:44:54 Arif_: isn't it pathetic how alike those games are? so little creativity, so much mee-too Mar 18 21:45:15 what, sonic? :p Mar 18 21:45:30 that is a timeless classic Mar 18 21:45:37 just looking at others Mar 18 21:45:37 they tried being different in Zelda 2 Mar 18 21:45:38 didn't work Mar 18 21:45:40 DocScrutinizer: I'll make it optional. people who have coreutils installed will be able to use that syntax :) Mar 18 21:45:40 :D Mar 18 21:46:27 but where do the coreutils go anyway? Can't find them in /bin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin or /opt Mar 18 21:46:51 sbin? Mar 18 21:46:58 pupnik, if you want to see how they went "different" go look at how they fucked up Rock/MegaMan :D Mar 18 21:47:03 oh. /usr/bin/gnu Mar 18 21:54:02 Shapeshifter: great. I was too slow to suggest it K-) Mar 18 21:56:05 Shapeshifter: btw it's quite sad the whole scary bloated boostlib doesn't have anything like that Mar 18 21:57:24 coreutils most will go to /bin, I guess Mar 18 21:57:55 if you don't want things to become complicated, yes ;) Mar 18 21:58:55 * DocScrutinizer51 ponders idly over mandb from lenny for maemo Mar 18 21:59:40 DocScrutinizer51: well I don't know about boost, but I'd not build on it anyway as luckily it will go away once shiboken comes out Mar 18 22:00:36 yup, I recall you mentioning it Mar 18 22:01:30 DocScrutinizer51: shiboken will have a 60% smaller footprint :) Mar 18 22:02:28 Arif_: do you hear occasional sputters/pops in the sound? Mar 18 22:02:36 hmm Mar 18 22:02:38 no Mar 18 22:02:46 MiXu-: Still there? Mar 18 22:03:14 sometimes it freezes somewhat Mar 18 22:03:20 i think people have crap hearing Mar 18 22:03:53 what game? Mar 18 22:03:58 every one Mar 18 22:04:00 and Mar 18 22:04:02 any frameskip Mar 18 22:04:03 have you updated to 1.1.1 Mar 18 22:04:09 yes Mar 18 22:04:15 pupnik: rarely Mar 18 22:04:23 maybe it didn't bother me Mar 18 22:04:29 since the GBA is even worse Mar 18 22:04:30 :D Mar 18 22:04:35 pupnik: but it depends what else you do at the same time on the device Mar 18 22:04:53 Problems of screen freezing became solved when I rebooted Mar 18 22:05:15 /usr/bin/Xorg -logfile /tmp/Xorg.0.log -logverbose 1 -nolisten tcp -noreset -s 0 <<< does that logverbose slow down Xorg? Mar 18 22:05:27 pupnik: no Mar 18 22:05:34 Now it is working very well. I powered off the phone, charged it, power back on and no problems what so ever with not the touch screen response time. Mar 18 22:05:59 pupnik: read the Xorg manpage Mar 18 22:06:10 pupnik: this is *reducing* log compared to default Mar 18 22:06:21 So a little rebooting here and there is good to do Mar 18 22:06:26 ok thanks. you read the Koran ;) Mar 18 22:09:45 Shapeshifter: how you're going to handle concurrent invocations of alarmed? E.G when GUI is open, and you call the cli interface Mar 18 22:10:55 DocScrutinizer51: stuff is written to files right after anything is done Mar 18 22:11:01 Arif_: Mar 18 22:11:22 cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state running picodrive shows it constantly in 600mhz mode Mar 18 22:11:59 DocScrutinizer51: as soon as the user tabs "Save" or enters something on the CLI, the event is saved. I might add a "refresh" button for the GUI to load events added from the CLI. but I don't really see anyone using both at the same time Mar 18 22:12:04 kinda pointless Mar 18 22:12:10 if you have the gui open, why not use it. Mar 18 22:13:01 sure. Anyway you want to avoid one instance nuking edits done by the other meanwhile Mar 18 22:15:00 you could use a 'killall -siguser1 alarmed' to notice brothers about a new kid on the block Mar 18 22:15:11 DocScrutinizer51: there's no "edits", alarmd doesn't support them. editing means deleting one event and adding another. if for some insane reason, both the gui and the cli want to "edit" the same event at the same time, both will delete it (one will fail but not care a lot) and then there will be two new events. Mar 18 22:15:22 DocScrutinizer51: nice idea Mar 18 22:16:48 Is the developer of EFL (Enlightenment Foundation Libraries) raster around here usually? Mar 18 22:17:07 sometimes Mar 18 22:17:19 he also wanders into #openmoko at times Mar 18 22:17:26 !seen raster Mar 18 22:19:07 SpeedEvil: ok, next time I see him around I will PM him and ask about if EFL will be used somehow with the N900 and so... Mar 18 22:19:21 SpeedEvil: perhaps I don't get a straight forward answer but I tried at least :) Mar 18 22:20:31 A reads in. B reads. A writes new event. B writes and deletes A's new event Mar 18 22:20:33 How is it with Spotify on the N900? Do I need a premium account in order to use it? Mar 18 22:20:43 DocScrutinizer51: hello there, thanks for the help last time :) Mar 18 22:20:54 err? Mar 18 22:22:11 call me Bart. I didn,t do nuttin Mar 18 22:23:26 DocScrutinizer51: nah, you did help me with some small minor details :) Mar 18 22:24:17 DrGrov, yes you need premium spotify Mar 18 22:24:27 Mece_: well god damn :( Mar 18 22:24:53 Mece_: i hoped i could use a free spotify account but nah, it is still ok. i could pay about 10 euro / month for good music. Mar 18 22:25:17 DrGrov: like? Mar 18 22:25:24 it's pretty sweet ye. Mar 18 22:26:22 DocScrutinizer51: about that repo functions. Mar 18 22:26:40 DocScrutinizer51: if my memory serves my correct that is. i know you helped at least with something, i presume with the repo functions. Mar 18 22:27:15 like remove repos' then install? Mar 18 22:27:51 nevermind Mar 18 22:27:56 DocScrutinizer51: yeah, something like that actually. Mar 18 22:27:56 anyway yw Mar 18 22:28:21 DocScrutinizer51: it was about if having smaller issues with repos or was it with updates. yeah, anyway :) LOL Mar 18 22:36:00 that spc700 gets real tiring after a while :/ Mar 18 22:37:11 I just got a message on the phone saying I could update to a new firmware. Mar 18 22:37:28 say whoot? Mar 18 22:37:37 It is 16,2MB in size. It complained about "Operations failed" but phone still work. Everyone else get the same error message? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 18 22:39:53 2010 Mar 18 22:39:57 Yes, I remember it was 3.2010.02-8 if I remember correctly Mar 18 22:40:11 what's your 'df -h /'? Mar 18 22:40:14 16,2MB and said Operations failed but phone still rebooted and installed itself without problems. Mar 18 22:40:45 i have my phone switched off at the moment... i am sure it was 3.2010.02-8 since it still worked. been reading that many got that same error. Mar 18 22:42:33 DocScrutinizer51: you get that same error, operations failed? Mar 18 22:43:00 I had not major update for some time Mar 18 22:43:15 Ok, you had already 3.2010.02-8 then? Mar 18 22:43:51 prolly since 2010-02-08 Mar 18 22:44:53 ok. Mar 18 22:45:06 so it seems like i got the latest firmware now since i had the older Mar 18 22:47:08 heh i read BoogerMan as BooGerman Mar 18 22:48:59 i'm looking for a metor of gsoc Mar 18 22:50:02 what is a metor Mar 18 22:50:49 zomg Mar 18 22:50:51 hax Mar 18 22:50:57 sorry mentor Mar 18 22:51:05 ~Hack Arif_ Mar 18 22:51:15 meh infobot on holiday? :P Mar 18 22:51:16 ~rob noobmonk3y Mar 18 22:51:19 w0000p Mar 18 22:51:21 lo alls Mar 18 22:51:25 xD Mar 18 22:51:35 infobot has gone net-split surfing ;) Mar 18 22:54:14 meh Mar 18 23:00:10 hmm Mar 18 23:00:15 werz da pr1.2 Mar 18 23:00:20 I want search in my media player Mar 18 23:00:23 and proper radio Mar 18 23:02:11 I want uPNP to work again. Mar 18 23:03:13 noobmonk3y: I hoped infobot learnt to ignore you, as regrettably I had to write a macro to ignore you as well as your infobot spam Mar 18 23:03:32 ~wobble noobmonk3y Mar 18 23:03:46 same applies to Arif_ btw Mar 18 23:04:13 * DocScrutinizer suggests #arif+noobmonkey Mar 18 23:04:13 I already told you Mar 18 23:04:14 go ahead Mar 18 23:05:03 there you could noise around the whle day. Alas infobot won't follow Mar 18 23:05:37 irc is serious business apparently? :P Mar 18 23:06:08 very serious Mar 18 23:06:19 so serious there shouldn't be any spam! Mar 18 23:06:19 Arif_: once you had to filter out the rare bits of info from 20+noisy chan, you'd understand why it is Mar 18 23:09:02 bbl, ttyl guys and everyone take care Mar 18 23:09:14 cya dregin Mar 18 23:09:45 sorry, ^drgrov Mar 18 23:12:12 is it just me or is it freenode that is under fire Mar 18 23:12:15 it's war Mar 18 23:13:24 heh, some positives: noobmokey is gone again ;-P Mar 18 23:16:18 hi Mar 18 23:17:10 does anyone have "screen" app for diablo? Mar 18 23:17:19 it's impossible to find it via google Mar 18 23:17:33 all I got are lcd related issues ;) Mar 18 23:37:33 oli: ahve you tried gronmayer or rst's search engine? Mar 18 23:45:02 is freenode just burning in flames or what Mar 18 23:47:59 smouldering maybe ;) Mar 18 23:55:45 nite all, sweet dreams Mar 19 00:00:24 hello everyone Mar 19 00:07:32 re Hi all Mar 19 00:20:08 hi Mar 19 00:20:12 wee Mar 19 00:20:19 just got zephyr's SDK documentation Mar 19 00:21:36 my zephyr HxM with taxes and all ended up costing about US$ 293 for me Mar 19 00:25:36 oh, c'mon Mar 19 00:25:41 where's the chat? Mar 19 00:25:51 the channel is full of people, the time is right Mar 19 00:26:00 at this time usually there's lots of talk Mar 19 00:26:11 ptl: we're all out hunting. Mar 19 00:26:16 wabbits! Mar 19 00:26:30 * GeneralAntilles is hunting SpeedEvil. Mar 19 00:26:38 is it wabbit season yet? Mar 19 00:26:39 Oh noes! Mar 19 00:26:53 ptl: Europe sleeps Mar 19 00:26:58 Actually hunting a mouse ATM. Mar 19 00:27:08 It's not getting into the traps though. Mar 19 00:27:16 Scratching inside the walls :/ Mar 19 00:27:51 I have two cats in my house, never have to hunt mouses :D Mar 19 00:28:10 My cat could care less Mar 19 00:28:14 Good thing I don't currently have any mice. Mar 19 00:28:55 of course, they've got respect an officer from the Rebel Alliance Mar 19 00:29:15 I mean, the old republic Mar 19 00:29:17 My previous cat caught lots of mice, but I binned it. Mar 19 00:29:37 binned? :> Mar 19 00:29:47 Placed in the bin. Mar 19 00:29:50 you binned the mice or the cat? Mar 19 00:29:55 the cat. Mar 19 00:30:02 poor cat! Mar 19 00:30:04 It was dead at the time. Mar 19 00:30:17 ptl, New Republic. :P Mar 19 00:30:19 Hence not so good at the mouse catching anymore. Mar 19 00:30:53 bury him in the pet sematary! Mar 19 00:31:09 he'll become even better at catching live stuff Mar 19 00:31:14 or her, for that matter Mar 19 00:31:15 :D Mar 19 00:31:42 * GeneralAntilles tries to decide what to have for dinner. Mar 19 00:32:15 * ptl just ate a 30cm almond sandwich from Subway Mar 19 00:32:30 * SpeedEvil ate some cheese and crackers. Mar 19 00:32:35 (160 calories) Mar 19 00:32:55 * GeneralAntilles might have a pair of Nathan's hot dogs. Mar 19 00:33:04 about 25 minutes on the treadmill Mar 19 00:33:25 (1000 calories or so) Mar 19 00:33:30 * SpeedEvil is currently doing excersize by lawning. Mar 19 00:33:43 I have one of those magical metabolisms that means I never gain weight. :P Mar 19 00:33:46 (moved 20 barrows of soil today. Mar 19 00:34:16 my cat is resting on the treadmill, I can't use it now. Mar 19 00:34:36 now before I fry something, all nokia chargers have the same polarity right? Mar 19 00:35:00 thinking of using an old nokia charger with that adapter cable I got with my N900 :p Mar 19 00:35:40 check the compatibility list Mar 19 00:35:46 Some make it overheat Mar 19 00:36:25 the charger or the device? Mar 19 00:37:03 the adaptor Mar 19 00:37:09 the ca146 that is Mar 19 00:37:16 ah ok Mar 19 00:37:35 so, it does contain electronics then? Mar 19 00:37:59 yes Mar 19 00:38:18 It's got what appears to be a buck-boost switching converter Mar 19 00:38:23 I haven't fully analysed it Mar 19 00:39:03 ok, I thought it was just a straight through adapter Mar 19 00:39:06 It gets hot Mar 19 00:39:08 it's slow. Mar 19 00:43:58 http://www.dani2xll.com/my_weblog/2009/08/nokia-n97-adapter-meltdown.html lol Mar 19 00:58:33 has anyone tried the ps3 controller with the n900? Does it have the same latency issue that the wiimote has? Mar 19 01:11:49 championship pro-am does a nice job of an isometric car-racer. it could be quite doable to make a clone... Mar 19 01:45:02 anyone know what's the difference between a CA-146 and a CA-146C? Mar 19 02:05:01 qdialer is not working? Mar 19 02:05:05 mine dumped core. Mar 19 02:15:29 any survivors? :) Mar 19 02:19:08 me Mar 19 02:19:14 survivor from what? Mar 19 02:19:52 I live, which might mean I survived Mar 19 02:49:59 anyone ever thought about building a sleep tracking app for maemo 5 ? using accelerometers to meassuere movement and then detect sleep phases based on it and wake ppl up based on a time (from to) when it is the best possible time :P Mar 19 02:50:52 how would you distinguish sleep from say sitting? Mar 19 02:51:18 oh just run on the app at night... Mar 19 02:52:13 didn't notice the bit about sleep *phases* Mar 19 02:54:50 yeah np Mar 19 02:55:09 the idea is, launch the app, put it somewhere on the bed (but still so it doesnt fall down) Mar 19 02:55:36 track motions (because the bed will move when one does) Mar 19 02:55:42 so its accelerometer data Mar 19 02:56:36 match movment to sleep cycles, there is good and easy math on it Mar 19 02:56:42 (check wikipedia for that) Mar 19 02:56:48 run n900fly so when you kick it out of bed you know you turned over. srsly theres better ways to know you are sleeping - use ecoach and get one of those doody monitoring things Mar 19 02:57:21 then in a time (lets say between 07:00 an 07:00) based on how much you move (indicating deep or light sleep) Mar 19 02:57:29 ring a alarm, just as a idea Mar 19 02:58:30 its more or less bringing cool new stuff to the device rather than porting stuff without thinking about new content to bring Mar 19 02:58:34 naxxatoe|mbp: it's been analysed and considered difficult to impossible to detect sleep phases with a accelerometer not worn at your body Mar 19 02:59:23 you shure about this? Mar 19 02:59:34 that was my thought as well **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 19 02:59:56 2010