**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 20 02:59:58 2010 Mar 20 03:17:58 sup guys Mar 20 03:18:51 anyone in here use cb radio? Mar 20 03:22:33 not since ~30 years ;-D Mar 20 03:23:03 nowadays there's IRC Mar 20 03:24:15 hey everyone Mar 20 03:25:34 anyone missing the "screen brightness widget" when you tap on the "menu" that pops up when you tap on the time? Mar 20 03:26:01 i think i installed some other widget once, and now it's missing Mar 20 03:30:21 Vratha: if that other widget has problems it could prevent others from starting Mar 20 03:30:51 I think you may have to start uninstalling and see what widget removal fixes it Mar 20 03:31:53 oh, lame. Mar 20 03:32:17 shouldn't have deps on others starting successfully Mar 20 04:31:36 * microlith grabs his power adapter as his n900 warns of low battery Mar 20 05:03:55 morn Mar 20 05:06:53 i cannot run "af-sb-init.sh start" command to start the UI framework. Mar 20 05:06:53 it says command not found. Mar 20 05:06:59 any help ? Mar 20 05:10:49 installed nokia binaries? Mar 20 05:11:14 i did not get the deb line to put in the sources list Mar 20 05:11:26 for both ARMEL and X86 Mar 20 05:12:56 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula Mar 20 05:13:58 Stskeeps: will i have to do it for both ARMEL and X86 ? Mar 20 05:15:38 same one will work for both Mar 20 05:16:19 thank you Mar 20 07:02:33 Hi all. I'm using maemo on a Nokia N900. On one particular wifi network, I want to run a shell script whenever I connect, and another one whenever I disconnect (automatically). How do I go about this? Mar 20 07:03:48 dbus signals Mar 20 07:04:51 woo hoo :| Mar 20 07:05:00 got TFM so I can R it? Mar 20 07:05:13 jonaskoe1ker: scripts in /etc/network/if* directories are run on ifup / ifdown Mar 20 07:05:52 n900 club huh : Mar 20 07:07:12 n000 ftw :) Mar 20 07:07:21 oops, s/n0/n9/ :) Mar 20 07:24:39 My N900 makes weird sounds when it's idle Mar 20 07:24:43 any idea what it means? Mar 20 07:25:45 is it bouncing on/offa IM networks? Mar 20 07:26:37 I'm on a steady wifi connection Mar 20 07:26:44 how can I check which notification is it Mar 20 07:27:08 like, a lot of notifications or similar Mar 20 07:29:28 in the control panel thing, you could disable all but one of the notifications, see if its that one, lather/rinse/repeat Mar 20 07:30:18 where do I get to that 'notification settings' Mar 20 07:30:29 the closest thing I see is notification /light/ Mar 20 07:33:47 under profiles? Mar 20 07:33:53 (istr...) Mar 20 07:35:03 none of the sound it makes are there Mar 20 07:50:35 Morning, all Mar 20 07:53:56 moin Mar 20 08:30:14 Gooooood morning Mar 20 08:30:36 morn Mar 20 08:32:43 Stskeeps: how are you doing? Mar 20 08:33:10 waking up and fixing some compile errors Mar 20 08:33:37 ah, the classical phenomenon... waking up and first things first... get the computer Mar 20 08:33:50 more like step into my home office Mar 20 08:35:13 ok Mar 20 08:44:10 secure office Mar 20 08:45:24 hehe Mar 20 08:56:35 meh. autobuilder behaves badly when same package is uploaded twice Mar 20 08:57:04 it put broken deb in repo Mar 20 09:48:39 will I get better throughput in sdhc transfers if I transfer at the same time to the 2 cards in n800 Mar 20 10:04:15 ... Mar 20 10:05:49 wtf is going on with builder? it added package info to Packages, but didn't upload deps at all (404) Mar 20 10:06:05 what is the best media player for n800? Mar 20 10:06:11 hmm, it fixed Mar 20 10:06:26 now size mismatch :/ Mar 20 10:07:42 does anyone know the about:config entry for rotation? Mar 20 10:08:20 in opera you can shut off automatic redirection Mar 20 10:08:32 does this also works in fx/microb? Mar 20 10:09:06 FIQ, chances are there is a config entry for it, google it for firefox and if there is one it should show Mar 20 10:09:31 wouldn't be surprised if my screen pops off atm, slider has a gap Mar 20 10:11:47 hm.. Mar 20 10:12:24 you can change the limit before "error lol, redirect fail" but not totally ignore it Mar 20 10:13:55 SpeedEvil: pingt Mar 20 10:14:11 ? Mar 20 10:14:40 what do you think is different between schematics and what you observe on your device? Mar 20 10:15:06 I can't spot any obvious diff in the photos Mar 20 10:15:13 of the board Mar 20 10:15:31 As last night - A/B microusb thingy differs, I diddn't see any reference to the charger chip in the BME kernelside code, Mar 20 10:15:42 The debug pads are differently laid out Mar 20 10:15:49 not here Mar 20 10:15:52 The components round the MMC are different Mar 20 10:16:04 You have a release phone? Mar 20 10:16:07 how do you know? Mar 20 10:16:13 yes Mar 20 10:16:13 How do I know what? Mar 20 10:16:17 oh Mar 20 10:16:28 different components around MMC Mar 20 10:16:28 you open the back and look at the components visible through the hole Mar 20 10:16:57 I may be confused though - it's happened before. Mar 20 10:16:58 do *you* have a MP device? Mar 20 10:17:01 yes Mar 20 10:17:05 I just realized that the alarmd backend is actually a _lot_ dumber than cron :| Mar 20 10:17:31 cat /proc/cpuinfo says revision 2101 Mar 20 10:17:32 it's impossible to specify something like 0 30 1,14,16 * * Mar 20 10:17:36 question 2: Mar 20 10:18:02 is there a "view source" option somewhere in microB? Mar 20 10:18:03 is the usb-sdhc transfer slow on n800 or does it just feel like it Mar 20 10:18:20 or is it... *ponder Mar 20 10:18:33 FIQ directly no Mar 20 10:18:45 you can wget and cat the html Mar 20 10:19:25 cool option for private mails in TMO :-(( Mar 20 10:19:27 correct, but i prefer being able to view it directly in browser, with cookies, etc Mar 20 10:19:38 but yes, that's correct. :P Mar 20 10:19:46 and they really would need it as the css is fubar Mar 20 10:20:17 I.E you can't read t.m.o private msgs in microb Mar 20 10:22:45 DocScrutinizer, just noticed that, kind of fails that you can't do something on the OS's site Mar 20 10:25:44 Shapeshifter: I can't see an easy way to specify 1,14,16 Mar 20 10:27:18 Shapeshifter: I guess that had to become a special case of mutiple-alarmes-entity Mar 20 10:28:04 ldconfig: /usr/lib/libhildon-im-western-plugin-common.so.3 is not a symbolic link Mar 20 10:28:12 umm what does that mean Mar 20 10:29:35 ldconfig would wnat to ln -s *.so *.so.3 , no? Mar 20 10:30:37 DocScrutinizer, i replaced some libs from pr1.1.1 Mar 20 10:30:44 restored them to pr1.0 Mar 20 10:30:55 virtual keyboard files to be specific Mar 20 10:30:57 I guess the ldconfig msg is a warning Mar 20 10:31:36 dconfig: /usr/lib/libhildon-im-vkbrenderer.so.3 is not a symbolic link Mar 20 10:32:00 DocScrutinizer, it shows up whenever a package is updated Mar 20 10:32:09 you *copied* the "files" ? Mar 20 10:32:34 hi all ,is there a start-stop deam for udhcpc allready used Mar 20 10:32:37 yeah Mar 20 10:32:59 I wan to run a dhcp client after establishing openvpn connection in bridged mode Mar 20 10:32:59 MohammadAG: so that's your answer Mar 20 10:33:03 DocScrutinizer, copied them from PR1.0 to PR1.1.1 Mar 20 10:33:14 overwrote the old files Mar 20 10:33:22 those were links on pr.1.0 Mar 20 10:33:26 I guess Mar 20 10:33:36 so how do i delete them? Mar 20 10:33:46 rm ? Mar 20 10:34:09 nokia n800 has two sdhc slots, is it faster to write to the both of them at the same time? Mar 20 10:34:11 don't know where they're linked to Mar 20 10:34:46 MohammadAG: ceck this on your linux desktop Mar 20 10:35:25 i have the files on my n900 Mar 20 10:36:07 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 Jan 25 18:42 /usr/lib/libhildon_im_common.so.3 -> libhildon_im_common.so.3.0.0 Mar 20 10:36:17 MohammadAG: are you the maintaner for ukeyboard? Mar 20 10:36:24 no Mar 20 10:37:40 MohammadAG: so obviously /usr/lib/libhildon_im_common.so.3 *is* a symlink Mar 20 10:38:19 MohammadAG: while ""ldconfig: /usr/lib/libhildon-im-western-plugin-common.so.3 is not a symbolic link"" Mar 20 10:38:24 DocScrutinizer: I think it actually _is_ possible through alarmd. I'm now writing a parser for cronlike input and I think I can implement everthing except "/3" (every 3 x) which the pymaemo libalarm bindings don't support Mar 20 10:39:46 Shapeshifter: great :-) (didn't even know about the /3 :-P) Mar 20 10:40:19 DocScrutinizer: cron supports something like * * /2 /2 * which would mean every second day of every second month Mar 20 10:40:22 did anyone notice http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle-update2/ before? Mar 20 10:40:31 how is udhcpc called when wlan0 connection is established? Mar 20 10:41:17 by dbus Mar 20 10:41:28 isn't that equiv to * * /2 2,4,6,8,10,12 ? Mar 20 10:42:14 jacekowski: is a start-stop-deamon used? Mar 20 10:42:18 heh broke it Mar 20 10:42:57 Shapeshifter: sorry, need a biiig coffee first ;-P Then 'man crontab' Mar 20 10:43:17 DocScrutinizer: yes it is. Mh. You're thinking I could manually figure out which days / minutes etc. a "/2" would imply and set them. Mar 20 10:43:20 that would be possible I guess. Mar 20 10:43:30 annoyingly complicated but possible. Mar 20 10:43:50 just declare "not supported" - not that bad Mar 20 10:43:54 :) Mar 20 10:44:32 ah **** Mar 20 10:44:41 deleted wrong .so file :( Mar 20 10:45:28 3 files to be more precise Mar 20 10:46:32 MohammadAG: too bad that's not windoze ;-P Mar 20 10:46:56 as it would have restored them automagically Mar 20 10:46:58 DocScrutinizer, don't mention that crap :) Mar 20 10:47:05 lol Mar 20 10:47:16 oopus must go Mar 20 10:47:38 DocScrutinizer, all my PCs except one have linux as their main OS Mar 20 10:47:49 poor you Mar 20 10:48:08 and the only thing keeping me from moving it to linux is an app, which I don't need (but my fam does) Mar 20 10:48:16 * DocScrutinizer re-inserts battery to N900, as he - for his life - can't spot any diffs tween the real device and the schem photo Mar 20 10:48:42 you disassembled it and checked? Mar 20 10:49:05 bwaaawaaa my uptime!!! *sob* Mar 20 10:49:15 lol Mar 20 10:49:45 need to change my touch assy Mar 20 10:49:50 or just reassemble it Mar 20 10:50:01 oh and realign my LCD Mar 20 10:50:20 it moves left/right and the top part of the screen clicks Mar 20 10:50:21 MohammadAG: nah, just removed bat and checked the testpoints etc Mar 20 10:50:41 oh Mar 20 10:50:59 MohammadAG: wasn't that you who had vibrator debris issue as well? Mar 20 10:51:31 DocScrutinizer, yeah, how's my luck? :p Mar 20 10:52:02 you really really should have swaped for replacement first week Mar 20 10:52:18 DocScrutinizer, imported, so I can't :( Mar 20 10:52:20 [11:48:23] and the only thing keeping me from moving it to linux is an app, which I don't need (but my fam does) Mar 20 10:52:28 what would that be? Mar 20 10:52:29 Hi! What is the most ideal way to de-lock a device after a "Secure Device" operation? Mar 20 10:52:33 office? mail Mar 20 10:52:37 FIQ, magicradar Mar 20 10:52:40 ? skype? etc Mar 20 10:52:44 hm Mar 20 10:52:51 checked wine compatibility? Mar 20 10:52:52 MohammadAG: what's magicradar? Mar 20 10:52:57 DVR app Mar 20 10:53:00 yeah? Mar 20 10:53:05 surveillance crap Mar 20 10:53:06 ouch Mar 20 10:53:08 don't use wine Mar 20 10:53:17 humm. Mar 20 10:53:19 it's pita Mar 20 10:53:24 can't minimize it using wine Mar 20 10:53:25 ebzzry_: '12345'? :P Mar 20 10:53:29 and works randomly Mar 20 10:53:42 Wine's good for what it can do Mar 20 10:53:53 sudo make me a coffee Mar 20 10:54:04 Password: Mar 20 10:54:12 it's far from being usable in any real app Mar 20 10:54:19 Stskeeps: I haven't gotten to the point where I locked myself out, but what if somebody did it for me, using a code that I don't know? Mar 20 10:54:20 mysecretpassword123 Mar 20 10:54:32 ebzzry_: don't let your device fall into the wrong hands? Mar 20 10:54:33 Wrong password, try again Mar 20 10:54:34 Password: Mar 20 10:54:36 i'm at win, but only because my try to make a live CD failed. Mar 20 10:54:37 also, set your own code Mar 20 10:54:41 you need it to set a new one Mar 20 10:54:58 will try to use liveUSB, but i must buy a sd card first Mar 20 10:55:02 Stskeeps: Hmm Mar 20 10:55:15 Is this the most ideal solution so far? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37808 Mar 20 10:55:27 DocScrutinizer, at least my USB port is intact Mar 20 10:55:32 * MohammadAG gulps Mar 20 11:01:37 hey Noobmonk3y Mar 20 11:01:50 still got the screen crackling issue? Mar 20 11:02:14 Stskeeps: exactly Mar 20 11:02:42 Stskeeps: btw you managed to figure where and how the lockcode workes/is stored? Mar 20 11:03:29 hey hey Mar 20 11:03:34 Stskeeps: my suspition still is that's the generic modem hw lockcode Mar 20 11:03:34 seems ok today Mar 20 11:03:48 on my way to a wedding at the mo! :) Mar 20 11:04:06 Noobmonk3y: have fun :-) Mar 20 11:04:15 ditto :) Mar 20 11:04:36 hehe :) will do! Mar 20 11:04:47 Qik it :p Mar 20 11:04:57 at john lewis, present hunting and eating breakfast first Mar 20 11:05:03 tis a though life Mar 20 11:05:13 oooo never used qik Mar 20 11:05:32 neither have I, haven't found a real use to stream what i see Mar 20 11:05:53 use pixelpipe daily tho.... Mar 20 11:06:33 MohammadAG: some people in Iran have... Mar 20 11:06:40 LOL Mar 20 11:06:53 haha Mar 20 11:08:54 aah, you wouldn't believe what requests/suggestions/questions come from there, for Openmoko Mar 20 11:11:17 and, you know, FR not even has a camera o.O Mar 20 11:12:23 what's openmoko? Mar 20 11:13:06 found out wha the .so files were for Mar 20 11:13:14 symbols :/ Mar 20 11:13:26 * DocScrutinizer ponders idly about a lockscreen replacement with builtin "dd id=/dev/random of=/" for one configurable lockcode Mar 20 11:13:33 Total of 508 nicks :o Mar 20 11:13:41 n900 popularize it;] Mar 20 11:13:48 506, two bots in here Mar 20 11:14:02 :] Mar 20 11:14:06 MohammadAG: yeak vkbd prolly is virtual kbd Mar 20 11:14:06 :) Mar 20 11:14:26 DocScrutinizer, i removed another 3 by mistake Mar 20 11:15:11 MohammadAG: (what's OM?) you're kidding me? Mar 20 11:15:19 used a wildcard after hildon-im* Mar 20 11:15:28 ouch Mar 20 11:15:29 erm nope :) Mar 20 11:15:49 OMWeather, only OM I know Mar 20 11:15:52 :) Mar 20 11:16:18 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page Mar 20 11:16:57 ah ****, can't type spaces in media player search Mar 20 11:17:24 reflashing later today, unless i can mount the ubifs rootfs.jffs2 Mar 20 11:17:30 last time i tried i failed Mar 20 11:18:12 oh Mar 20 11:18:18 new maemo update Mar 20 11:18:29 jacekowski: huh? Mar 20 11:18:36 UK?? Mar 20 11:18:40 does anybody know if ovi maps finally support turn by turn Mar 20 11:18:48 uk phone Mar 20 11:19:00 but i'm in france at the moment Mar 20 11:19:07 the uk update you've had available since yesterday Mar 20 11:19:08 nah, ovimaps for maemo still missing that feature Mar 20 11:19:14 is just the 1.1.1 everyone else has had for a month Mar 20 11:20:07 hmmmm Mar 20 11:21:21 and honestly nobody expected to see released it for UK at all Mar 20 11:21:41 s/expected/had any hope Mar 20 11:21:43 i really don't know why it was Mar 20 11:21:56 infobot broken? Mar 20 11:21:57 though, if we extrapolate the current rate of delays Mar 20 11:21:57 hmm... broken is mailto:nothing@machine.cx -> http://machine.cx/debian/ or screen shots are at http://nivda.machine.cx or that's sid for you. Mar 20 11:22:10 MohammadAG: nope Mar 20 11:22:11 first update was released for uk at the same time as everywhere else Mar 20 11:22:11 nvm Mar 20 11:22:18 then 1.1 came about 9 hours late for the uk Mar 20 11:22:22 then 1.1.1 came a month late Mar 20 11:22:26 DocScrutinizer, doesn't it correct the s/ stuff? Mar 20 11:22:29 testing Mar 20 11:22:30 so uk users can expect 1.2 in about 5 years Mar 20 11:22:30 I left out the trailing /, intentionally Mar 20 11:22:36 s/testing/test Mar 20 11:22:43 s/testing/test/ Mar 20 11:22:44 MohammadAG meant: s/test/test Mar 20 11:22:52 oh Mar 20 11:23:15 loller Mar 20 11:23:48 1.2 will be released in april Mar 20 11:23:59 tybollt, which year? :) Mar 20 11:24:32 I really don't get why Nokia just updates packages independently Mar 20 11:24:59 support reasons, probably Mar 20 11:25:04 like Debian/Ubuntu Mar 20 11:25:04 honestly, guys - why is everybody so anxious about 1.2 ? Mar 20 11:25:17 I like SSU-ing Mar 20 11:25:24 stskeeps, it is done Mar 20 11:25:56 * lcuk has an evil cat at home Mar 20 11:26:09 releasing individual package versions as fixes are done is all very well in theory, but nokia probably dont want to have to take 50 different package versions from users reporting bugs and have hundreds of different combinations of packages to support Mar 20 11:26:13 how do you autocomplete nicknames on the n900 in xchat again? Mar 20 11:26:18 easier to bundle them all up, from their pov Mar 20 11:26:29 rolling releases ftw Mar 20 11:27:10 DocScrutinizer: turn by turn for ovimaps Mar 20 11:27:18 Debian doesn't seem to have problems with it nidO Mar 20 11:27:36 jacekowski, you're kidding right? PR1.2 isn't going to have that Mar 20 11:27:41 TomaszD: you go to prefs-kbd shortcuts and config nick completion to be bound to shift-space Mar 20 11:27:43 debian doesnt have joe home user wondering why the hell the phone he bought doesnt work right any more Mar 20 11:27:58 Doc, thx Mar 20 11:28:01 good point Mar 20 11:28:36 MohammadAG: no??? Mar 20 11:28:39 DocScrutinizer, cool Mar 20 11:28:54 lcuk: huh?? Mar 20 11:28:55 nou, sorry for shattering your dreams :p Mar 20 11:29:06 No* Mar 20 11:29:08 nick completion i had wondered it myself Mar 20 11:29:12 i'll have to make my own navigation app then Mar 20 11:29:21 or buy sygic Mar 20 11:29:30 jacekowski 1.2's qt support will probably enable the possibility that nokia might bring it to maemo in the future, but fat chance of it coming with the update Mar 20 11:29:35 ~curse c Mar 20 11:29:36 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, c ! Mar 20 11:29:42 it's released already? Mar 20 11:29:51 sygic i mean Mar 20 11:29:52 sygic is Mar 20 11:29:58 released a few days ago Mar 20 11:30:44 how much? Mar 20 11:30:49 * Docscrutemp (~Joerg_rw@openmoko/engineers/joerg) has joined #maemo Mar 20 11:30:55 just noticed that :) Mar 20 11:31:07 jacekowski, 60-ish i think Mar 20 11:31:20 DocScrutinizer, works great, thx again Mar 20 11:31:25 it was really bugging me Mar 20 11:31:46 jacekowski: http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/how-to-buy.html?os=Maemo Mar 20 11:32:02 TomaszD: yw Mar 20 11:32:10 jacekowski, you're hoping for voice turn by turn in ovi maps in pr1.2? Mar 20 11:32:15 tis a shame sygic doesn't support israel Mar 20 11:33:00 sygic works great here, well worth the money Mar 20 11:33:03 for the records: it's settings - advanced - keyboard-hortcuts Mar 20 11:33:49 59eur Mar 20 11:33:59 little bit too much Mar 20 11:34:13 for offline nav for the whole europe, fair price I think Mar 20 11:34:24 proper tomtom satnav costs like 70 Mar 20 11:35:03 this is also proper satnav, and you don't have to carry two devices Mar 20 11:35:21 works fine here even without agps support Mar 20 11:35:39 do older maps work with sygic? Mar 20 11:35:56 already have it for windows CE (car navigation) Mar 20 11:36:09 they probably do, but don't call me out on that Mar 20 11:36:28 read that people have maps from symbian version and it works in maemo Mar 20 11:37:14 TomaszD, how do you get the download? Mar 20 11:37:24 Repository likes joikuspot? Mar 20 11:37:42 it's a downloadable archive :) Mar 20 11:37:49 ? Mar 20 11:37:51 zip? Mar 20 11:37:56 yep Mar 20 11:38:03 and what's inside it? Mar 20 11:38:14 paid apps are going to fail :( Mar 20 11:38:20 three folders and a deb Mar 20 11:38:25 take Joikuspot for example Mar 20 11:38:38 you put all that in the root of MyDocs Mar 20 11:38:41 run the deb Mar 20 11:38:41 theyre going to fail horribly miserably as long as nokia doesnt bother doing anything with ovi Mar 20 11:38:55 i extracted the deb from /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache Mar 20 11:39:28 can easily upload it, but i wouldn't Mar 20 11:39:38 problem is, others would Mar 20 11:39:46 if you're trying to say that the security is not adequate Mar 20 11:39:53 then you're right Mar 20 11:40:00 take sygic for example Mar 20 11:40:02 i'm trying to say, piracy is easy Mar 20 11:40:17 and that kills a platform Mar 20 11:40:21 security not adequate + mass market of users wont know the apps exist Mar 20 11:40:44 the apps need to be available in one place, directly available on the phone, and easier to get legit than pirating. Mar 20 11:41:00 there are keygens for maps and I'm damn sure they work on the europe map on maemo, the client itself has no additional security Mar 20 11:41:02 menu overlapping again Mar 20 11:41:16 so once someone uploads the client and maps, it's done Mar 20 11:41:29 and I would guess somebody already did Mar 20 11:41:37 doubt it Mar 20 11:41:57 Joikuspot, i thought they figured out what nokia didn't Mar 20 11:42:08 turns out they're all the same Mar 20 11:42:31 TomaszD: you're right Mar 20 11:42:33 already found it Mar 20 11:42:40 ha, knew it Mar 20 11:42:49 if i made an app and i wanted it to be paid i would've added activation at each start up Mar 20 11:43:04 brb Mar 20 11:43:06 angrybirds level pack Mar 20 11:43:11 MohammadAG: any copy protection can be broken Mar 20 11:43:17 used apt-get (but bought it later) Mar 20 11:43:23 even "log in each time" etc. Mar 20 11:43:28 even hardware dongles Mar 20 11:43:33 Shapeshifter, PS3 proved otherwise Mar 20 11:43:38 for now Mar 20 11:43:41 activation at each startup = wat Mar 20 11:43:55 as in it checks the serial Mar 20 11:43:59 combats piracy, fucks off your users who paid $60 then have to suffer data roaming charges? Mar 20 11:44:05 at startup Mar 20 11:44:36 err Mar 20 11:44:44 well Mar 20 11:44:47 On the matter of piracy, lets not forget that you can easily pirate apps on both the iPhone and Android - iPhone by pulling the appropriate files (more easily with Crackulous), and Android by pulling the apk file. Mar 20 11:44:53 best way is to generate debs then Mar 20 11:44:57 So easy piracy on the n900 doesn't set it apart Mar 20 11:45:18 Termana, but it's a new platform Mar 20 11:45:25 difference is though, at least on iphone and android its easy for at least semi honest to get the legit version Mar 20 11:45:56 MohammadAG: I understand, I'm just making sure no one implys the n900 is the only mobile platform with easy piracy Mar 20 11:45:58 with software like sygic and joikuspot not in ovi, its easier to pirate than get the real thing, plus 90% of legit users wont know either piece of software exists Mar 20 11:46:48 Termana, heh, symbian Mar 20 11:47:01 just google it with cracked Mar 20 11:47:46 paid-for navigation is a dying race anyway. Mar 20 11:47:56 hildon-desktop includes the window switcher view right? Mar 20 11:48:19 dmj726_n9001, dashboard? yeah Mar 20 11:49:11 don't find this kernel faster, reflashing Mar 20 11:54:32 I was wondering if it would be illegal to create a repo with apt and ham with weeded out patches hiding and crippling the ovi store Mar 20 11:54:42 umm Mar 20 11:54:50 why did i lose my theme? Mar 20 11:54:52 open source right? Mar 20 11:55:18 ham? doubt it Mar 20 11:55:50 at least get non crippled apt so you could get apps from ovi like before Mar 20 11:56:07 yeah, need that :( Mar 20 11:56:15 says handler silently failed Mar 20 11:56:19 ovi is so clunky I resent visiting Mar 20 11:56:38 it works quite ok on symbian, tried it on e52 Mar 20 11:56:49 dedicated app Mar 20 12:00:10 TomaszD, actually it's a widget Mar 20 12:00:23 but the files you download have your imei in them Mar 20 12:00:35 meaning piracy wouldn't be as easy as on maemo Mar 20 12:01:16 what's the default theme called? alpha? Mar 20 12:14:28 route66 (e.g. on OMNIA) also has IMEI check Mar 20 12:26:59 I knew .so-s had to do with more than symbils, N900 keeps rebooting Mar 20 12:28:53 oh too big :( Mar 20 12:29:14 who cares about http://maemo.nokia.com/ Mar 20 12:29:15 add some tinyurls or cut it :P Mar 20 12:29:17 you can leave that out Mar 20 12:29:43 simplify VDVsx Mar 20 12:31:39 :) Mar 20 12:32:13 sorry for the noise :) Mar 20 12:33:00 * lcuk hurries his downloads Mar 20 12:33:16 should a remote control operate worldwide Mar 20 12:39:05 ok I *hate* vfat Mar 20 12:39:29 I hate this fucking vfat partition which can't recognize a decent character set Mar 20 12:39:48 *FACEPALM* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEXmb922jtg Mar 20 12:42:12 MohammadAG: lol right. Mar 20 12:42:19 I guess it has been asked dozen of times, but is there a way to reformat the internal sdcard as ext2? Mar 20 12:42:32 internal SD card? Mar 20 12:42:40 hem Mar 20 12:42:43 the internal flash Mar 20 12:42:44 sorry Mar 20 12:42:46 mkfs.ext2 but what card? Mar 20 12:42:47 oh Mar 20 12:42:52 mkfs.ext3 Mar 20 12:42:56 mkfs.ext2* Mar 20 12:43:08 problem is how it would mount at bootup Mar 20 12:43:23 yes Mar 20 12:43:25 there's also some small issue with the camera Mar 20 12:43:26 mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcblk0p1 Mar 20 12:43:28 that's the point :/ Mar 20 12:43:39 I believe people found a workaround Mar 20 12:43:41 mgedmin: it seems that the camera currently puts its file on the external sdcard Mar 20 12:43:52 mgedmin: (which has a vfat partition) Mar 20 12:43:52 external? Mar 20 12:43:56 mgedmin: so in my case it'd be fine Mar 20 12:43:59 you can edit fstab Mar 20 12:44:04 mgedmin: yeah, the minisd slot Mar 20 12:44:10 interesting Mar 20 12:44:11 well, the only sdcard, anyway Mar 20 12:44:15 microsd maybe Mar 20 12:44:24 MicroSD Mar 20 12:44:34 so it only puts stuff on the internal one if you don't have an external one inserted? Mar 20 12:44:41 for other than VFAT it says Operation Failed Mar 20 12:44:41 it seems so Mar 20 12:44:57 mgedmin, yes Mar 20 12:45:06 there is a workaround for saving to ext3 Mar 20 12:45:10 can't find it though Mar 20 12:45:13 /etc/fstab seems to be autogenerated Mar 20 12:45:18 so maybe it'll be erased Mar 20 12:45:20 Gah my N900 keeps rebooting :( Mar 20 12:45:30 I just want to backup :/ Mar 20 12:46:04 problem is idk what's causing it, sw_rst is what bootreason has Mar 20 12:46:19 the camera workaround is a chmod of a directory somewhere Mar 20 12:46:27 or maybe a chown Mar 20 12:46:44 it creates an empty directory as root and then tries to write files to it as a regular user Mar 20 12:46:52 which only works on filesystems that don't track file permissions Mar 20 12:46:55 like vgat Mar 20 12:46:59 er vfat Mar 20 12:48:36 has anyone tried video dowload helper for microb or fennec? Mar 20 12:49:33 MohammadAG: any pointer on how to do that anyway? Mar 20 12:49:46 MohammadAG: not sure fstab is really enough Mar 20 12:49:58 * Shapeshifter hopes that meego will have saner partitioning Mar 20 12:50:04 the workaround or the mount? Mar 20 12:50:22 both :) Mar 20 12:50:22 Shapeshifter, it will have a 100x compressed 32MB rootfs Mar 20 12:50:35 MohammadAG: yeah? Mar 20 12:50:37 lol lemme do a bit of googling Mar 20 12:51:06 well it doesn't matter how large "rootfs" is. stuff just needs to go to the right place, no matter how large the partitions are Mar 20 12:51:51 like it's rediculous that as default, the apt cache goes on the rootfs partition on the n900. such stuff. Mar 20 12:52:37 high wycombe smells Mar 20 12:52:50 tis true i'm here and it smells.... Mar 20 12:53:13 * Arif_ yawns Mar 20 12:53:31 Corsac, edit the /usr/lib/genfstab.awk file to automount MyDocs as ext3 Mar 20 12:53:37 morning :o Mar 20 12:53:59 moanin! Mar 20 12:53:59 Shapeshifter, HAM uses /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache Mar 20 12:54:15 hmm Mar 20 12:54:20 why did I sleep till 14:00 :D Mar 20 12:54:29 tired? Mar 20 12:54:33 hungover? Mar 20 12:54:34 cause you're a lazy ar*e Mar 20 12:54:38 I am back and still seek help with dhcp Mar 20 12:54:43 :p Mar 20 12:54:50 I'll go for the 3rd Mar 20 12:54:52 I seek help with keeping my N900 on Mar 20 12:54:55 MohammadAG, might be right... Mar 20 12:54:57 Arif, caus you're living the geek lifestyle Mar 20 12:55:04 disabling the life guard Mar 20 12:55:05 MohammadAG: thanks Mar 20 12:55:12 I am establishing a vpn connection in layer 2 and then need to run udhcp automaticlly Mar 20 12:55:13 MohammadAG: wouldn't “auto” work too? Mar 20 12:55:15 life guard? Mar 20 12:55:17 MohammadAG: /var/cache/apt Mar 20 12:55:21 I seek help with making the N900 speakers less crappy Mar 20 12:55:41 arif.... by a decent sound system Mar 20 12:55:43 I see wlan0 also triggers udehcp - how can I do that ? Mar 20 12:55:48 Shapeshifter, I stand by what I say, /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache Mar 20 12:55:51 is it a start-stop-deamon? Mar 20 12:55:51 to hog that around? Mar 20 12:55:51 :D Mar 20 12:56:05 apt uses /var/cache/apt, HAM uses that ^ Mar 20 12:56:53 ... Mar 20 12:57:27 * Noobmonk3y is in la senza with the missus.... Mar 20 12:57:34 * Noobmonk3y suddenly wakes up Mar 20 12:57:44 Hi all. How do I browse my IMAP server's folders in the default email application? Mar 20 12:58:02 works on nokia messaging Mar 20 12:58:49 jonaskoelker: you don't Mar 20 12:58:56 Noobmonk3y, la senza is not the sort of shop you need to check the internet for comparisons lol Mar 20 12:58:57 jonaskoelker: mine shows just fine Mar 20 12:59:15 least not whilst you are standing there with missus Mar 20 12:59:16 lol!!! Mar 20 12:59:20 jacekowski: huh? Mar 20 12:59:32 Is there a nice explanation of /etc/* anywhere? Mar 20 12:59:34 jacekowski: it doesn't support folders? Mar 20 12:59:40 Or failing that - what mounts mydocs Mar 20 12:59:52 SpeedEvil: it's configuration for everything. "Everything" is kind of a big topic :) Mar 20 12:59:54 I can find /home being mounted fine Mar 20 13:00:10 yes - I know - I was meaning broken out Mar 20 13:00:56 /usr/share/doc/$APP ? Mar 20 13:01:14 SpeedEvil: fstab Mar 20 13:01:15 Specifically I mean the builtin init scripts Mar 20 13:01:25 No, fstab is used by programs that mount fss Mar 20 13:01:32 it does not of itself mount shit. Mar 20 13:01:33 no Mar 20 13:01:41 I get "Network Error" for my msn/yahoo/icq/aim accounts (no problem for skype nor facebook). What gives? How to fix? Mar 20 13:01:44 localmount Mar 20 13:01:49 reads fstab Mar 20 13:02:01 and mounts fs based on fstab content Mar 20 13:02:12 jacekowski: localmount is not on fs Mar 20 13:02:54 And I can see no calls to mount in /etc/*/* Mar 20 13:03:02 other than the ones to mount home Mar 20 13:03:20 hmmm Mar 20 13:03:37 they moved it directly to upstart Mar 20 13:03:57 /etc/init.d/ is a decoy on a n900 Mar 20 13:04:03 no, /etc/rc?.d is Mar 20 13:04:05 I'm kinda annoyed by that Mar 20 13:05:02 I'm trying to mount --bind over ~/MyDocs/.sounds Mar 20 13:05:11 And trying to find where mydocs is mounted Mar 20 13:05:51 /dev/mmcblk0p1 is mounted on MyDocs Mar 20 13:06:00 not sure what you mean where MyDocs is mounted Mar 20 13:06:00 thats u Mar 20 13:06:13 I mean what process mounts MyDocs Mar 20 13:06:20 init Mar 20 13:06:22 fstab\ Mar 20 13:06:58 fstab does not mount it - fstab is a configuration file read by some other program - mount et al - that specifies where stuff is to be mounted Mar 20 13:07:04 but fstab is regenerated at each startup Mar 20 13:07:12 yes. Mar 20 13:07:15 thanks for the correction Mar 20 13:07:30 Config file for the regeneration is /etc/event.d/rcS-late Mar 20 13:07:42 in ./event.d/rcS-late specifically Mar 20 13:08:28 osso-backup says I have no memory card inserted Mar 20 13:08:37 slightly confused :/ Mar 20 13:08:42 This does not however mount mydocs. Mar 20 13:09:17 SpeedEvil, /etc/event.d/rcS-late Mar 20 13:09:21 sorry Mar 20 13:09:25 /usr/lib/genfstab.awk Mar 20 13:09:37 SpeedEvil: init mounts Mar 20 13:09:56 jacekowski: It mounts / - not the other FSs Mar 20 13:10:16 jacekowski: AIUI - or is there some signal to it that fstab has changed Mar 20 13:10:29 SpeedEvil, Mar 20 13:10:35 /usr/lib/genfstab.awk Mar 20 13:10:38 start == 1 && $6 == "c" && !__fat { Mar 20 13:10:38 printf "%s /home/user/MyDocs vfat %s 0 0\n", $1, fat_opts Mar 20 13:10:38 __fat++ Mar 20 13:10:38 } Mar 20 13:10:41 MohammadAG: yes - I've seen that. Mar 20 13:10:50 MohammadAG: that is generating the fstab line. Mar 20 13:10:57 MohammadAG: it is not actually mounting the fs Mar 20 13:11:17 So what uses the fstab config file? Mar 20 13:11:17 SpeedEvil: n900 uses upstart Mar 20 13:11:19 init Mar 20 13:11:26 lcuk, did you get my msg earlier? Mar 20 13:11:30 that's not standard sysv init Mar 20 13:12:37 Ugh, why does osso-backup fail! Mar 20 13:12:39 jacekowski: Ok - so it mounts stuff in fstab everytime fstab changes? Mar 20 13:12:53 jacekowski: but stuff is explicitly mounted - so that can't be it. Mar 20 13:13:10 no Mar 20 13:13:32 * SpeedEvil is confused. Mar 20 13:15:06 oh, osso-backup just executes commands Mar 20 13:15:13 it's like a .sh file with a GUI Mar 20 13:15:22 tar czvf .modest-backup.tar.gz --exclude=*.ev-summary Mar 20 13:15:43 thats done by gvfsd Mar 20 13:16:49 anyways Mar 20 13:16:53 i have to go Mar 20 13:17:06 hmm Mar 20 13:17:07 wave Mar 20 13:20:20 guys , pls drop me a hint here Mar 20 13:20:47 how does udhcpd starts when wlan0 is connected Mar 20 13:21:09 is it a start-stop-deamon? which? Mar 20 13:25:49 what will PR 1.2 contain? anyone got any clues? is it official it will be released in april? Mar 20 13:26:24 nokia doesn't generally give release dates Mar 20 13:27:24 there are publically fixed bugs on bugs.maemo.org Mar 20 13:28:07 DrGrov, 4 bugfixes Mar 20 13:28:24 and they probably broke something again Mar 20 13:29:15 hey pupnik Mar 20 13:29:37 hu Mar 20 13:30:26 whats new on the gaming front this week? Mar 20 13:30:59 GTA 4's DLC is pushed back Mar 20 13:31:02 Arif_: probably yes, something fixed and something not. Mar 20 13:31:10 no no Mar 20 13:31:13 not not fixed Mar 20 13:31:13 Arif_, for n900? :D Mar 20 13:31:15 just found out there's a green bar when flashing in R&D mode Mar 20 13:31:19 they most likely broke something working :P Mar 20 13:31:23 ah yes Arif_ Mar 20 13:31:34 (red pill mode, virtual keyboard) Mar 20 13:31:38 (when flashing WHILE in R&D mode) Mar 20 13:31:59 lcuk, I'm stuck on picodrive Mar 20 13:32:00 =P Mar 20 13:32:38 Arif_, cool Mar 20 13:33:13 it works good if you don't have anything else runnign Mar 20 13:33:24 yeah Mar 20 13:33:32 i still do that on my big pc :$ Mar 20 13:33:39 :D Mar 20 13:33:42 * lcuk shuts everything down to run hl2/portal etc Mar 20 13:33:53 I have a crappy pc Mar 20 13:33:59 so I have to close pretty much everything Mar 20 13:34:04 i have a crappy gfx card in a reasonable pc Mar 20 13:34:29 I need to buy a new pc Mar 20 13:34:37 * lcuk is buying one next week Mar 20 13:34:40 i dreamt i got a new thinkpad Mar 20 13:34:49 eww Mar 20 13:34:49 and it will be the first w7 license i get to decline Mar 20 13:34:51 leptops Mar 20 13:34:54 hehe Mar 20 13:35:13 getting a hp touchscreen wallmount Mar 20 13:35:21 multitouch + stylus compatible Mar 20 13:35:48 ... bastard Mar 20 13:36:02 frals :) parting gift from my grandmother Mar 20 13:36:02 I'm getting a 32" TV as monitor instead... Mar 20 13:36:14 ah :( Mar 20 13:36:34 going from a decent language like python to c is :( btw Mar 20 13:36:37 finally have something decent to build big daddy liqbase on Mar 20 13:36:40 :D Mar 20 13:36:46 why are you moving to c? Mar 20 13:36:57 just trying stuff to see if its much faster Mar 20 13:37:04 ok, where are the slowdowns Mar 20 13:37:06 and to get all the nice libosso-abook stuff Mar 20 13:37:17 startup, loading stuff from abook Mar 20 13:37:26 cos cant you do it in chunks - modular pieces in c to improve the bottlenecks Mar 20 13:37:44 but retain your original structure in python for your mental tension Mar 20 13:38:00 startup is always a problem in python Mar 20 13:38:04 just moving the gui pretty much Mar 20 13:38:07 i know theres been some optimisation Mar 20 13:38:14 yeah theres not too much to your ui tho Mar 20 13:38:20 im surprised that is suboptimal really Mar 20 13:38:30 have you considered qt Mar 20 13:38:45 well the abook stuff is in the gui parts which is why its so slow pretty much Mar 20 13:38:52 ahh yeah Mar 20 13:39:05 have you spoken with any devs about their experiences doing same in c Mar 20 13:39:24 i know a few who might have some ideas for you i think Mar 20 13:39:34 nope i just started trying to port it to c :D Mar 20 13:39:41 reasonable enough Mar 20 13:39:53 :) qt works nicely on device now tho Mar 20 13:40:21 but going from a highlevel language like python to c is annoying as hell ive realised Mar 20 13:40:35 lack of decent passing of arrays and stuff is doing my head in Mar 20 13:41:29 barray passing is easy in c Mar 20 13:41:31 -b Mar 20 13:41:58 pointer Mar 20 13:42:15 exactly Mar 20 13:42:25 yeah then i need to expand it or have an associative array and my brain overheats Mar 20 13:42:45 frals, ive done pretty much everything in raw c Mar 20 13:42:55 yeah, and ur crazy :D Mar 20 13:42:59 and practically all of linux is based on c :p Mar 20 13:43:06 it might fry your head now, but you get used to it Mar 20 13:43:11 yeah Mar 20 13:43:32 just need to get out of the nice lazy python/java coding and it shouldnt be a problem Mar 20 13:43:36 i miss pieces from OO Mar 20 13:43:54 i just try to think in oo Mar 20 13:44:00 define some classes and then code them Mar 20 13:44:07 damn Mar 20 13:44:07 i just dont like the boilerplate Mar 20 13:44:25 * pupnik goes out of range with a shovel Mar 20 13:44:30 it seems that having only an ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p1 will loop-reboot the n900 Mar 20 13:44:35 any idea besides reflashing? :/ Mar 20 13:46:39 Corsac, http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/small-but-important-update-in-pr11.html if you have a bit of preparation you could get something running Mar 20 13:47:08 yeah but it's too late I guess, I don't have any bootmenu atm Mar 20 13:48:01 (another weird stuff is that the pin/unlock code is *not* themed) Mar 20 13:50:43 bah a qt app responds as quickly on my screen as does a vb app run through vnc Mar 20 13:55:03 if I could just access the eMMC card so I could do an fdisk on it Mar 20 13:55:10 Stskeeps: any idea? Mar 20 13:56:34 frals, grab a debugger before start, you'll face a lot of nice seg faults for sure :p Mar 20 13:57:17 VDVsx, thats only your code that does that Mar 20 13:57:21 yeah Mar 20 13:57:31 and ive skipped all gtk code until i know my methods are working Mar 20 13:57:37 they hard coded a check in omap to scan the camera and if it sees your ugly mush to cause a segfault :p Mar 20 13:57:44 as gdb seems to be dumping core when im adding icon to a hildonbutton Mar 20 13:59:11 lcuk, nah, nah, my C code is awesome ;) Mar 20 13:59:32 hehe Mar 20 13:59:43 VDVsx, :p u still ugly Mar 20 14:00:36 lcuk, yes, but my code is awesome :) Mar 20 14:01:04 \:D/ Mar 20 14:01:11 because I don't code in VB Mar 20 14:01:12 :) Mar 20 14:02:14 grmbl, I can see a vfat partition but I can't do anything on the mmc part Mar 20 14:02:16 ok, If someone want to help test some apps, join us at #maemo-testing :) Mar 20 14:09:20 is there some kind of “single user” mode or something? Mar 20 14:09:38 yes, turn it on, and wait for it to finish booting - single user. :) Mar 20 14:10:05 Robot101: that's not exactly useful Mar 20 14:10:14 Robot101: I mean “single user” like runlevel 1 Mar 20 14:11:23 btw, wth is this "Mac OS" folder doing on an n900? Mar 20 14:11:31 Corsac: without X etc, there's no console, so it wouldn't actually be very useful Mar 20 14:11:32 the point being to be able to do stuff before hildon-desktop loads, since after that it's loop-reboots Mar 20 14:12:48 Hey, there, I'm following the instructions at http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash#Solution_.231:_swap_.2Fhome_and_MyDocs_partition to swap mydocs and home partitions. However when running the sfdisk --no-reread < table command I get "sfdisk: bad input" Mar 20 14:12:56 any ideas what I could be doing wrong? Mar 20 14:14:31 here's the console output: http://dpaste.com/174017/ Mar 20 14:15:24 DocScrutinizer: yay, just set the first event through the CLI using date-syntax successfully :) Mar 20 14:15:43 Shapeshifter: heh :-)) Mar 20 14:17:14 is there some command-line unzip utility for n900? Mar 20 14:17:25 Shapeshifter: I thought the --help could use an example line Mar 20 14:17:31 or 2 Mar 20 14:18:02 simoneb_: prolly unzip? Mar 20 14:18:12 is that in extras-devel? Mar 20 14:18:20 or in tools Mar 20 14:20:07 aaaah, that's incredibly convenient to ssh into N900 from desktop :-) Mar 20 14:20:37 * RST38h moos demonically and sacrifices a hamster Mar 20 14:20:48 eeeeek Mar 20 14:21:10 did you use the moobox to moo? Mar 20 14:21:10 RST38h: bad dreams? ;-P Mar 20 14:21:37 what sound does a hampster make? Mar 20 14:21:44 ptl: No, I am mooing on manual Mar 20 14:21:50 can I run fuse/sshfs on my N900? Mar 20 14:21:56 tybollt: Depends on what you do with it Mar 20 14:22:06 tybollt: In my case, it made a tearing sound. Mar 20 14:22:10 crrrk? Mar 20 14:22:21 *thbrrrrt*? Mar 20 14:22:23 Friend of Richard Gere eh. Mar 20 14:22:25 DocScrutinizer: definitely will include examples Mar 20 14:22:52 Shapeshifter: I'm eager to see update :-) Mar 20 14:22:57 OMG another "nokia failed n900 is no iphone" thread Mar 20 14:23:00 * lcuk mooos even more evily and sacrifices RST38h Mar 20 14:23:06 Will they EVER stop? =) Mar 20 14:23:17 RST38h: link? Mar 20 14:23:19 lcuk: Was it a good reason at least? Mar 20 14:23:22 RST38h: who? Mar 20 14:23:24 I love being trolled ;-) Mar 20 14:23:25 jonas: talk.maemo.org Mar 20 14:23:31 yes RST38h we have food for the season now Mar 20 14:23:55 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=574040#post574040 (only because his join date is Aug 2009, would not quote the url otherwise) Mar 20 14:24:01 As someone who is about to upload his first ever GUI app to his N900 I can raise two fingers at all iPhone trolls Mar 20 14:24:14 lcuk: Wasn't it supposed to be goose though? =) Mar 20 14:24:24 awww damn! Mar 20 14:24:24 * RST38h recalls what he remembers of Dickens Mar 20 14:29:22 Oh for gods sake Mar 20 14:29:53 anyone else had toruble installing the Maemo5 SDK using the GUI option with it complaining about sb-menu when setting up scratchbox? Mar 20 14:31:29 anyone knows how mbarcode works? it just doesnt recognise anything for me Mar 20 14:32:02 aep: it recognizes well 1-d and another kind of 2d barcodes, doesn't work very well for me for other types of barcodes Mar 20 14:32:14 i tried all kinds of barcodes Mar 20 14:32:26 aep: the 2d one is the one with the three little squares in the corner Mar 20 14:32:31 yeah Mar 20 14:32:37 well i tried multiple EAN codes Mar 20 14:32:53 and one 2d code Mar 20 14:33:01 it spits alot of FALSE in the console Mar 20 14:33:19 "analyse_probe returned FALSE" Mar 20 14:33:34 2d barcode == QCode Mar 20 14:36:36 trying that in a bright place helped a lot for me Mar 20 14:45:14 http://gizmodo.com/5497788/the-typo-weve-been-waiting-for Mar 20 14:45:17 Ehehe Mar 20 14:46:52 jensp: what is the output of "sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0" ? Mar 20 14:47:50 RST38h: is that going to lead to t-shirts, then? "Bitches don't know 'bout my large hardon collider" Mar 20 14:48:35 jonas: Well, depends on whether you really think it is true and we should all know Mar 20 14:48:48 * RST38h doubts it though Mar 20 14:50:24 k think i need some Bad Brains... they rock Mar 20 14:57:07 t-tan: http://www.npaste.de/MX/ Mar 20 15:01:25 * VDVsx reminds that there's a testing marathon happening at #maemo-testing :) Mar 20 15:02:32 jensp: weird. mine looks the same, except that p1 and p2 are swapped, as expected Mar 20 15:02:49 jensp: I get no errors when overwriting the table Mar 20 15:03:07 I think I got it to work now Mar 20 15:03:47 t-tan: http://npaste.de/MY/ Mar 20 15:03:55 using that as a table file worksforme :) Mar 20 15:05:38 ok, so flashing the device will loose /home too? nice >< Mar 20 15:05:50 jensp: err.. that will kill your home partition too Mar 20 15:06:29 t-tan: I made backups, I think I'll be fine Mar 20 15:13:40 any of you chump ass idiots live in the USA? Mar 20 15:14:26 hmhm, fuck, where is cfdisk now >< Mar 20 15:14:52 ~curse imgtec Mar 20 15:14:53 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, imgtec ! Mar 20 15:14:56 * Stskeeps goes drink Mar 20 15:21:33 yeah Stskeeps Mar 20 15:21:43 it is high time for high alcohol consumption Mar 20 15:21:57 the shit that is going down is unbelievable Mar 20 15:22:12 and nokia plus intel? Mar 20 15:22:33 no. end. of. story. intel is BAD NEWS Mar 20 15:24:36 why pupnik Mar 20 15:29:00 TomaszD: awareness. try to do what you can to increase yours Mar 20 15:29:36 uhh, I like solving mysteries Mar 20 15:29:38 ;) Mar 20 15:39:51 pupnik: you don't happen to have a 'hello world' gles2 binary do you? Mar 20 15:43:27 Using words like "junk" is always a good way to start a productive discussion. Mar 20 15:47:52 GeneralAntilles: where? :D Mar 20 15:48:06 MeeGo-community, new forum thread. Mar 20 15:54:56 If I use these on my N900 will my reception get better? -- http://www.alibaba.com/product-tp/108124305/Generation_X_Plus_Revised_Edition_Internal.html Mar 20 15:56:19 ptl, yes. It gets better the more you use, too. Mar 20 15:56:23 You should cover the N900 in them. Mar 20 15:57:13 lol Mar 20 15:57:21 Does someone know what all the "alarm_appid: worldclock_alarmd_id" alarms are in /var/cache/alarmd/alarm_queue.ini I've got loads of them and I don't see what they're supposed to be doing. Mar 20 15:58:06 the alarms you have in the clock? Mar 20 15:58:58 Stskeeps: ah of course! Mar 20 16:03:35 yes Stskeeps i do Mar 20 16:03:40 nm, found one Mar 20 16:04:44 But it seems like the alarm entries of the world clock don't go away. even if deleted. Mar 20 16:04:59 deleted through worldclock I mean, not libalarm Mar 20 16:05:38 disabled probably Mar 20 16:07:07 alarmd is such a weird framework Mar 20 16:07:29 hrhrr Mar 20 16:08:26 so the happier we are to get a sane wrapper - Shapeshifter's alarmed to the rescue :-D Mar 20 16:08:37 it's so incredibly unobvious and somewhat daft. When you untick an alarm in world clock, it deletes the event, makes a new one that is exactly the same, but with flags: 7216 instead of flags: 136240 Mar 20 16:09:37 Is the only way to open a .py file in the N900 to use VIM in Xterm? Mar 20 16:09:48 well brilliant. "flags" and both had options like alarm_time: -1 Mar 20 16:10:24 so they made a property alarm_time, but if you set an alarm in world clock it uses trigger: 1269101700 instead of alarm-time: 1269101700 and sets alarm-time to -1. Mar 20 16:11:07 And how is the phone itself (as with phone features: SMS, call & so on). I hear a lot that it's mainly an internet tablet :3 Mar 20 16:11:58 how much time approx. does a N800 take to flash? I've ran flasher first and turned on the device after. flasher is still saying "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." and CPU is at 99% for ~15min so far. Mar 20 16:12:44 it hasn't even started Mar 20 16:13:09 clock is so broken Mar 20 16:13:20 DocScrutinizer: how so? Mar 20 16:13:51 DocScrutinizer: well my code isn't all that sane, because it kinda grew out of my initial script, which only reset gprs data at a set day per month ;) There are some obvious flaws in my design but I'm working on that ;) Mar 20 16:14:35 weird, my toshiba level 6 sdhc card shows up totally corrupted in n800 Mar 20 16:14:43 but when I read it in a pc, it is fine Mar 20 16:15:05 iirc you get some sort od progress display after flashing starts Mar 20 16:16:19 cgoncalves: ""...not found, waiting." Mar 20 16:16:56 Question: Did you guys buy the n900 (if you have one ofc) for use as a phone or as a tablet pc? Mar 20 16:17:02 cgoncalves: as soon as it starts flashing, this will change afaik. Also iirc for N810 flashing took <60s Mar 20 16:17:15 Moller: both Mar 20 16:17:29 Moller: I bought mine for use as a n900 :D Mar 20 16:17:50 microlith: So are you using the Skype functionality and so on? Mar 20 16:17:53 no Mar 20 16:17:58 I mosttly use mine to idle on IRC, download and listen to podcasts, and web surfing Mar 20 16:18:06 You are "just" using it for browsing and email?= Mar 20 16:18:09 And phone ofc. Mar 20 16:18:10 Moller: both Mar 20 16:18:26 ShadowJK: How long does it last while doing so? Mar 20 16:18:41 phone, browsing, e-mail, music, irc, etc. Mar 20 16:18:44 about a day Mar 20 16:18:52 in my use Mar 20 16:19:09 yup Mar 20 16:19:35 I think it'd last a day even if it had double the battery... I'd just use it for more stuff Mar 20 16:19:45 like streaming shoutcast music Mar 20 16:20:03 Hmm. Let me get this straight: A n900 is so open source, that you can improve apps in it, such as firefox? So it _could_ become faster. Mar 20 16:20:26 n900 is partially opensource. Mar 20 16:20:34 By partially, what is closed? Mar 20 16:20:37 Many of the battery consuming elements are closed Mar 20 16:20:39 kernel? Mar 20 16:20:44 Some key applications. Mar 20 16:20:46 ~closed Mar 20 16:20:47 closed is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages Mar 20 16:20:52 battery management.. 3d drivers Mar 20 16:20:52 See that list Mar 20 16:20:56 Ah ok. What about phone etc. Can you use Python to send a sms? Mar 20 16:21:00 kernel is fully open source Mar 20 16:21:03 yes Mar 20 16:22:08 Damn I want one of these beasts. But they are quite expensive (: Mar 20 16:22:26 paper route Mar 20 16:22:26 :P Mar 20 16:22:40 Stskeeps: Was thinking of getting one for the weekends tbh (: Mar 20 16:22:44 so you should become a developer Mar 20 16:23:09 user__: It is in my interest to start messing around with developing apps on it. Mar 20 16:23:16 get a sdk and see if you survive that Mar 20 16:23:17 learn qt Mar 20 16:23:18 etc Mar 20 16:23:18 :P Mar 20 16:24:24 Could anyone give an example of how to, for an example, send a sms using python? What libs would have to be imported? Mar 20 16:24:43 http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Phone_call_and_SMS_examples Mar 20 16:24:52 can anyone help me with icd2 and udhcpc Mar 20 16:24:57 * Moller is embarrased for not searhing a tad more. Mar 20 16:25:08 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9459 <- is there a solution/workaround? Mar 20 16:25:09 Bug 9459: Arch Linux: GUI Installer crashes (TypeError: QWizardPage.registerField has unexpected type 'str') Mar 20 16:25:20 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=send+sms+with+python+n900 Mar 20 16:25:21 :P Mar 20 16:25:58 * Moller disables NoScript while going on LMGTFY.com :P Mar 20 16:26:02 Arkenoi: you're trying arch on the n900? Mar 20 16:26:09 nope Mar 20 16:26:16 it has nothing to do with arch Mar 20 16:26:31 it is about installing sdk on fc12 in my case Mar 20 16:26:49 I am trying to automate dhcp request when openvpn establishs connection Mar 20 16:26:51 And how long does a resistive ts last? Mar 20 16:26:52 oh Mar 20 16:26:57 but i ran into exactly similar problem Mar 20 16:27:04 Moller: right until you smash it. Mar 20 16:27:16 Shapeshifter: That would be a month or two. Mar 20 16:27:26 Moller: a pouch or casing is always good Mar 20 16:27:33 i haven't killed my n810 one yet Mar 20 16:27:36 Stskeeps: Indeed. Mar 20 16:27:52 and i have made dramatic examples of my n900 falling to the ground without smashing the screen Mar 20 16:28:00 damn solid thing Mar 20 16:28:01 :P Mar 20 16:28:31 way more solid than you'd expect from a slider phone with a big screen Mar 20 16:28:39 Hah (: Mar 20 16:29:11 How is it that it connects to your computer? Via SD card, usb or? Mar 20 16:29:35 i connect my n900 to my laptop over usb cable Mar 20 16:30:00 arachnist: Does it require special software? Or is just an external harddrive Mar 20 16:31:13 huh? Mar 20 16:31:25 Moller, yes, it pretends to be an USB mass storage device Mar 20 16:31:37 mgedmin: Good. Then I assume it'll work just fine on Linux. Mar 20 16:31:39 actually, it pops up a menu letting you choose charging only/USB mass storage/Nokia PC suite Mar 20 16:31:48 PC suite lets you use it as a 3G modem, among other things Mar 20 16:31:50 Moller: it can pretend to be a usb mass storage device, but you can also share internet connection using usbnet Mar 20 16:31:55 I planned to issue a start-stop-deamon , but I want to know how wlan0 issues dhcp Mar 20 16:31:59 Oooh, pretty! :9 Mar 20 16:33:16 hummz Mar 20 16:33:31 here's my usb tethering setup: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47288 Mar 20 16:33:47 anyone got one of those 3500mah batteries for the n810? Mar 20 16:34:26 ha? what 3500 battery? Mar 20 16:34:58 mugen power offers them Mar 20 16:35:10 too thick Mar 20 16:35:13 3500 mAH? This is not a battery, this is an UPS... Mar 20 16:35:18 mugen's is 2400, isn't it? Mar 20 16:35:20 with a replacable back cover since its thicker Mar 20 16:38:06 ok where can I find how does wlan trigger dhcp? Mar 20 16:38:17 what to ask google? Mar 20 16:43:43 is it possible to customize the menu on os 2008? Mar 20 16:45:39 anyone tested the mugen battery .. how does it work with the back cover magnet/reed contact? and how about camera slide switch? Mar 20 16:56:29 I LOVE THE GOVERNMENT. MY NAME IS ... Mar 20 16:57:32 pupnik: are you high again? Mar 20 16:57:48 sadly no Mar 20 16:58:06 #politics for the politics then Mar 20 16:58:21 oh it doesn't affect software? Mar 20 16:58:25 DocScrutinizer: you still around in a couple of hours? Mar 20 16:58:27 lollercaust Mar 20 16:58:43 Shapeshifter: I'm always around Mar 20 16:58:47 ;) Mar 20 16:59:04 that is *why* we must promote free, open source software Stskeeps Mar 20 16:59:10 I'll finish up some of this stuff. Would be cool if you could test it before I push a heap of bugs to extras-devel ;) Mar 20 16:59:15 and we must EXPLAIN why also Mar 20 16:59:16 * RST38h prescribes a daily dose of dailyrotten.com to pupnik Mar 20 16:59:44 To, you know, develop a tolerance... Mar 20 16:59:59 jo Mar 20 17:00:23 3500 mAH? This is not a battery, this is an UPS... Mar 20 17:00:23 there is a 3600mAh one for the N97 Mar 20 17:00:33 lasts three days on heavy use I think Mar 20 17:01:17 moo javispedro Mar 20 17:01:24 morning Mar 20 17:01:39 lo javispedro Mar 20 17:01:53 morning javis of the pedro clam Mar 20 17:01:56 clan even Mar 20 17:02:43 RST38h, fanoush was talking about the dispc in the mailing-list and linked to an (old) post of him where he was already talked about how we could use it for proper tv out :P Mar 20 17:02:49 s/was/had Mar 20 17:03:27 so yet another vote for "it's reasonable". Mar 20 17:03:34 moo Sts, lcuk Mar 20 17:04:28 javis: I am planning to try using dsp1 for direct output but lack time to try Mar 20 17:04:37 RST38h: i respect your advice Mar 20 17:04:43 I will see if I can do something today Mar 20 17:05:37 pupnik: No, really: after a couple of weeks you will be able to meet any kind of news with "wow, nice, but why so few massacred, and not by implalement?" Mar 20 17:05:59 you are really right. i need to retain perspective Mar 20 17:06:24 so whats up? Mar 20 17:07:03 but RST38h some people need to be alarms against this stuff. it is just a role that needs to be played. Mar 20 17:07:11 hrms Mar 20 17:07:15 shitty connection Mar 20 17:07:19 have to reset it Mar 20 17:07:56 not everything is inevitable... all things are in flux... Mar 20 17:08:03 pupnik: kinda not sure about it - don't know of a single case where alarmists affected the natural direction of events Mar 20 17:08:32 RST38h: what is the cause of the fall of east germany, for example Mar 20 17:08:33 re Mar 20 17:08:35 RST38h: best example is warnings of global warnings ;) didn't really do much Mar 20 17:08:35 RST38h, the problem with that sort of statement is that you cannot be sure Mar 20 17:08:37 ever Mar 20 17:08:38 moo wog Mar 20 17:08:41 usually, when it hits news, all the "right" turns in the casuality path have been taken already :) Mar 20 17:09:05 Shapeshifter, we have the warnings but still do not know if the ship is infact heading for an iceberg, or even if it will turn in time Mar 20 17:09:05 Who wanna guess were I am from? Mar 20 17:09:11 pupnik: USSR no longer willing/able to stand by it Mar 20 17:09:19 lcuk2: correct Mar 20 17:09:20 Lonely_Troll, under a bridge?! Mar 20 17:09:29 lcuk lol Mar 20 17:09:35 RST38h: so that was more of a systemic/economic collapse in your view, right? Mar 20 17:09:39 lcuk2 :) Noup, I mean from which country Mar 20 17:09:49 lcuk: In cases like this, the best thing an individual can do is GET THE FUCK OUT while there is time =) Mar 20 17:09:59 * javispedro ponders what today's topic is Mar 20 17:10:02 Lonely_Troll, why would we care? Mar 20 17:10:14 topic is RST38h is a wise person....... Mar 20 17:10:16 RST38h, i have my space ship standing by! Mar 20 17:10:21 pupnik: I am not a big expert on DDR's economy, but AFAIK it has been one of the healthiest in the socialist camp Mar 20 17:10:21 lcuk2 I need to chek my proxy Mar 20 17:10:43 pupnik: So, no, I doubt economics were to blame in the case of DDR Mar 20 17:10:45 Lonely_Troll, nahh you need to just stop caring, we are in a worldwide chatroom Mar 20 17:10:46 lcuk2 Nah? Mar 20 17:10:51 the country isnt important Mar 20 17:11:14 lcuk2 I know, but I wanna to use proxy and I cant plug it in Mar 20 17:11:48 ?????? Mar 20 17:11:54 pupnik: USSR, on the other hand, has been majorly screwed up in many ways, economically Mar 20 17:12:11 for decades! Mar 20 17:12:17 USSR sucks Mar 20 17:12:28 afaik I am from GDR Mar 20 17:12:31 *g* Mar 20 17:13:02 !geoip Lonely_Troll Mar 20 17:13:11 !loc Lonely_Troll Mar 20 17:13:30 Were am I from?????? Mar 20 17:13:41 norway Mar 20 17:13:43 i dunno, but you are entering ignore land soon Mar 20 17:14:26 how could i check it? Mar 20 17:14:51 pupnik: for 10-15 years to be exact Mar 20 17:15:22 haha Mar 20 17:16:01 poor troll :P Mar 20 17:16:18 wow, first troll in here? Mar 20 17:16:24 first? Mar 20 17:16:27 ever? Mar 20 17:16:27 Ha Mar 20 17:16:28 no, VDVsx has been here for a while Mar 20 17:16:29 there's like, 533 of them. Mar 20 17:16:42 * lcuk2 needs bacon Mar 20 17:16:47 ok, i see ban list is more than 1 :) Mar 20 17:16:49 * VDVsx trolls lcuk2 Mar 20 17:17:26 * lcuk is glad hes not 2 anynore Mar 20 17:18:32 that is all so complicatyed Mar 20 17:20:57 btw, the topic line contains those unicode chars before pipe symbols again Mar 20 17:21:29 pupnik? Mar 20 17:22:02 i'm just really PISSED at this warmongering woglinde Mar 20 17:22:12 mass slaughter of people Mar 20 17:22:22 oh look i have a cell-fone! Mar 20 17:22:23 pupnik: what, who, where? Mar 20 17:22:37 pupnik thats nothing new Mar 20 17:22:38 * pupnik dances jerking off with a cell fone Mar 20 17:22:43 javispedro, bug in VDVsx? Mar 20 17:22:44 we came from animals Mar 20 17:22:56 pupnik, s/fone/phone/g :P Mar 20 17:22:56 GeneralAntilles, what I did Mar 20 17:23:00 pupnik be lucky not born 50 years later Mar 20 17:23:41 GeneralAntilles: dunno, it might be your client for all we know >:) Mar 20 17:23:50 javispedro, lies! Mar 20 17:24:01 wars about oil will start soon enough Mar 20 17:24:19 the actual char seems to be "0xc2 0xa0" instead of the usual "0x20" Mar 20 17:24:34 anyone with a unicode table? :) Mar 20 17:24:48 man unicode? Mar 20 17:24:55 man isocode worked sometimes Mar 20 17:25:07 hm Mar 20 17:25:11 what was it Mar 20 17:25:52 char 00a0, NO-BREAK SPACE Mar 20 17:25:54 no wonder. Mar 20 17:26:14 no-break space lol Mar 20 17:26:30 so I guess it's a bug in the xchat topic "url linkifier" Mar 20 17:26:57 http://soundcloud.com/ninja-tune/solid-steel-radio-show-19-3-2010-part-1-2-hexstatic Mar 20 17:27:02 if you like techno Mar 20 17:27:20 hm next task net-snmp for diablo Mar 20 17:34:36 * phellarv got the N900 1 week ago - The best Pocketsized computer I've ever had. Mar 20 17:35:47 javispedro: you could argue a nonbreak-space actually be a part of URL, no? Mar 20 17:36:07 :) Mar 20 17:36:17 jo doc Mar 20 17:36:30 without percent-encoding? that's some discussion. Mar 20 17:37:32 * DocScrutinizer wonders why topic would need non break spaces anyway Mar 20 17:38:07 still, "be flexible in what your accept and strict in what you send" (or sth like that) ;) Mar 20 17:38:35 ack Mar 20 17:39:36 rst Mar 20 17:47:03 FSCK - full rootfs Mar 20 17:49:31 phellarv, that's why you don't use Extras-devel. Mar 20 17:50:01 Hehe Mar 20 17:50:35 I'm an old Linux-hacker, so this is solvable Mar 20 17:50:47 symlinks all over the place Mar 20 17:51:05 guess what /opt is Mar 20 17:51:18 /home/opt. Mar 20 17:51:49 Just gotta love the ability to ssh into the phone, and fix things Mar 20 17:52:24 n810 has 3d accel right? Mar 20 17:52:37 /usr/share is a good candidate for some symlink-love Mar 20 17:52:44 or at least the chip supposed to support it.... Mar 20 17:53:33 atiti: yes, drivers are out but we dont work well with n810 special setup Mar 20 17:53:55 special setup? Mar 20 17:54:24 Anyone tested to use Zaggskins for the N900 and/or the N97? Mar 20 17:54:34 framebuffer and lcd controller is a bit spezuhl Mar 20 17:54:38 http://www.zagg.com/zaggskins/designs.php Mar 20 17:55:09 atiti: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=21697&page=60 Mar 20 17:55:18 rsync is a godgiven gift Mar 20 17:55:41 ... not on the n900? Mar 20 17:55:43 DrGrov: I use the shield, works well Mar 20 17:55:59 thx sts, javi Mar 20 17:56:03 toggles_w: ok, cool. thinking here to buy for my N900 and my fiancees N97 some Zaggskins Mar 20 17:57:45 hi, room. I'm thisclose to having a gemrb 0.6 package for Maemo 4/N810, but I'm having trouble understanding getting sound working Mar 20 17:58:06 I have openal installed, but gemrb is complaining that /dev/dsp isn't present Mar 20 17:58:10 toggles_w: it would be quite nice addition to the otherwise dull black color of both N900 and N97 Mar 20 17:58:16 pupnik, didnt you do gem stuff? Mar 20 17:58:43 i'll smash face stuff Mar 20 17:58:55 I talked to the gemrb devs, and they said I needed an alsa plugin because maemo doesn't use "real alsa", but weren't sure which plugin Mar 20 17:59:15 pratfall: that will be hard. more easy would be to try to make gemrb to output to esd. Mar 20 17:59:15 it doesn't use real alsa? Mar 20 17:59:58 pratfall: if it's using openal, i'm pretty sure openal must have an esd/esound backend... Mar 20 18:00:06 dono what they meant by that, but i know squat about sound on maemo Mar 20 18:00:40 ptl: it uses real alsa, but the interface is a bit "special". Mar 20 18:00:51 and every minor change in alsa breaks every app, you know :) Mar 20 18:00:59 hmm Mar 20 18:01:06 btw: alsa must die Mar 20 18:01:08 please. Mar 20 18:01:10 is this for integrating nicely into pulseaudio? Mar 20 18:01:20 no, this is the n810 we're talking about. Mar 20 18:01:22 what should we have in place of alsa, Shapeshifter? Mar 20 18:01:22 the n8x0 Mar 20 18:01:23 oh Mar 20 18:01:28 ptl: OSS Mar 20 18:01:32 Really? Mar 20 18:01:54 isn't it? Mar 20 18:01:57 As far as I know OSS has lots less capabilities and flexibility than alsa Mar 20 18:02:03 ptl: there's quite a large group of alsa haters here (me included), be careful =) Mar 20 18:02:38 hm I hate pulseaduio Mar 20 18:03:00 * Arif_ yawns Mar 20 18:03:14 I don't think that'll go away though Mar 20 18:03:28 what is it? simplicity? easier to program? Mar 20 18:03:36 ?????? Mar 20 18:03:38 stable APIs? Mar 20 18:03:50 well for once the mixing works. Mar 20 18:03:53 woglinde: I am asking javispedro and Shapeshifter what's with OSS that makes it better than alsa Mar 20 18:04:16 ptl I meant waht will you programming? Mar 20 18:04:24 yes sdl or qt and le it be abstract Mar 20 18:04:26 Fuck - Is there a way to mount the rootfs without booting up the N900? Mar 20 18:04:33 ups s/yes/use Mar 20 18:05:04 lol Mar 20 18:05:13 boys with toys Mar 20 18:06:17 whatever they use...it won't make the speakers any better :P Mar 20 18:08:28 * ptl using mussorgsky to get album art for his mp3 collection Mar 20 18:08:36 Ugh, MeeGo-dev is more offtopic, inaccurate and trollish than maemo-developers. Mar 20 18:08:38 Anyone knows ho to mount the rootfs without booting the N900 - I've in the famous reboot-loog Mar 20 18:08:45 s/loog/loob Mar 20 18:08:48 s/loog/loop Mar 20 18:08:53 a bit hard. Mar 20 18:09:00 enable rd mode maybe? Mar 20 18:09:22 R&D Mode wont help. Mar 20 18:09:24 ptl: Please feel free to elaborate Mar 20 18:09:33 i want to fuck up the guys who beat up crasshanddie Mar 20 18:09:49 did they get that "read onenand instead of write" mode implemented in flasher? Mar 20 18:09:51 http://www.flickr.com/photos/arnim-s/4448440100/sizes/l/ Mar 20 18:10:05 Hrmf - I might have to reflash Mar 20 18:10:28 is this the only way? reflash? Mar 20 18:10:33 r&d might help to boot it, depending on the way it broke. Mar 20 18:10:33 to get out of the reboot loop Mar 20 18:10:41 pupnik uh what happend? Mar 20 18:10:43 unless you hook into /bootmenu.sh and have something there Mar 20 18:10:54 pupnik, that's one monster CRT Mar 20 18:11:22 he keyboard is the hot babe GeneralAntilles Mar 20 18:11:23 I bet you could recover the cost of a new 24" LCD on electricity alone in 3 months. :P Mar 20 18:11:33 pupnik, is it buckling spring? Mar 20 18:11:54 sadly, no Mar 20 18:12:00 pupnik, then it sucks. :P Mar 20 18:12:08 yeah. Mar 20 18:12:22 The whole "reference platform" bs seems like Nokia's marketing avenue out of actually supporting customers. Mar 20 18:12:51 not much different from GMail being in "beta" for years =) Mar 20 18:12:53 putting too much weight into something that's really not there yet Mar 20 18:12:53 :P Mar 20 18:13:12 Can I access a bootmenu on the N900? Mar 20 18:13:31 yes, but you should have installed one first Mar 20 18:13:37 people should really start hacking at it Mar 20 18:13:37 :P Mar 20 18:13:44 Argh Mar 20 18:13:50 pupnik, Unicomp actually makes trackpoint USB buckling spring boards. Mar 20 18:14:08 yeah i know Mar 20 18:14:12 Damn it! Mar 20 18:14:21 i don't really like those Mar 20 18:14:30 I haven't seen this before. Is there actually a sort of this thing behind the N900 to use ? Mar 20 18:14:32 phellarv, any clues why it might have started the boot loop? Mar 20 18:14:43 http://www.mobile-users.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/n900-4.jpg Mar 20 18:14:50 Hehe - I was a bit eager with the symlinks Mar 20 18:14:57 DrGrov, yes. Mar 20 18:14:58 You see, is it there? Haven't seen it. It can be put on the table Mar 20 18:15:12 GeneralAntilles: wtf? :) i didn't even know this :/ Mar 20 18:15:13 DrGrov, it's around the camera. Mar 20 18:15:26 GeneralAntilles: aha, that bugger was hidden from me :) Mar 20 18:15:27 mgedmin: I moved /usr/share to /home/share and symlinked. Mar 20 18:15:39 hmm Mar 20 18:15:41 Gizmodo covers what is REALLY important to its readers: http://gizmodo.com/5497953/how-to-hide-your-collection Mar 20 18:15:50 (figures, I know) Mar 20 18:15:53 mgedmin: And when I hit reboot I had a *facepalm* moment... Mar 20 18:15:55 who stores porn these days anyway? Mar 20 18:16:08 mgedmin: Cause of the order things are mounted Mar 20 18:16:22 rare porn is worth storing Mar 20 18:16:27 Stskeeps, like I said in #meego. This is the age of media streaming. :P Mar 20 18:16:35 Stskeeps: I am not even sure who WATCHES porn. Mar 20 18:16:56 Why store rather than stream I can understand though Mar 20 18:16:56 instead of just fast-forwarding? Mar 20 18:16:57 :P Mar 20 18:17:28 mgedmin: So now it's time for reflashing Mar 20 18:17:37 simplest solution Mar 20 18:17:53 Mmm Mar 20 18:17:54 GeneralAntilles: thanks for helping me :) i thought that what the hell is that thing around the camera? :D Mar 20 18:18:28 hrw|gone, ah, details. Mar 20 18:18:30 GeneralAntilles: is it of durable quality? it holds the phone like forever if i keep it on a table with that thingie supporting the phone? Mar 20 18:18:33 "does it have a kickstand or not" was probably the most important question when the n900 was first announced Mar 20 18:18:37 hrw|gone, gotta love the nebulous ambiguity. Mar 20 18:18:46 mgedmin, the answer, of course, is "not". Mar 20 18:18:49 it feels flimsy, but mine hasn't broken off yet Mar 20 18:18:50 ah, that thingie in English is called kickstand Mar 20 18:19:03 it's fine for reading stuff Mar 20 18:19:08 Both of the magnets on the two I have have fallen off. Mar 20 18:19:21 You can't touch the damn thing with the stand out or it tries to tip over. Mar 20 18:19:27 unusable if you need to, e.g., touch icons in the top-right corner of the screen Mar 20 18:19:28 i will keep my phone on it all the time. Mar 20 18:19:32 better than no stand at all Mar 20 18:19:40 It's only vaguely better than the 770's stand in that it's integrated. Mar 20 18:19:42 of course if someone calls i switch down Mar 20 18:19:43 Not really. Mar 20 18:19:46 In this case it's worse. Mar 20 18:19:50 magnets falling off = ouch! Mar 20 18:20:08 there was a little magnet that kept the stylus of my Palm Tungsten T from falling out Mar 20 18:20:11 how long have you had it against the stand? Mar 20 18:20:13 it fell off Mar 20 18:20:18 afterwards I lost two styluses Mar 20 18:20:35 the N900 kickstand that is Mar 20 18:20:46 could i keep it for perhaps days even if necessary? Mar 20 18:22:00 i gotta keep my high standards at work as well. can't let it lay on the table in class. Mar 20 18:23:19 heh Mar 20 18:23:38 I'm afraid to leave the kickstand open overnight Mar 20 18:23:41 it looks sloppy if i decide to drop my phone standards Mar 20 18:23:48 afraid it might break if, say, a cat sits on it Mar 20 18:23:59 yeah, i will close the kickstand when i turn off the phone for the night. Mar 20 18:24:09 i hate kids Mar 20 18:24:14 perhaps not take down the kickstand since there is no animals going around Mar 20 18:24:17 i hate the arrogance of youth Mar 20 18:24:18 pupnik: you hate kids? Mar 20 18:24:33 lol you have so few years DrGrov Mar 20 18:24:34 pupnik: referring to my work in class? Mar 20 18:24:44 it runs out baby Mar 20 18:24:46 actually i am teaching older people Mar 20 18:24:53 bye bye Mar 20 18:25:01 the youngest are around 20 years Mar 20 18:25:14 the oldest around 50-55 years Mar 20 18:26:46 how do you guys and girls do with cases? keep any casing for the N900? Mar 20 18:28:13 pouch usually Mar 20 18:28:52 Stskeeps: ok, what brand pouch? Mar 20 18:29:26 found one in a shady shop in a shopping center branded 'nokia' and it works fine :P Mar 20 18:29:31 how about connecting the N900 to a 42" Full HD LCD tv? can i connect a bluetooth wireless keyboard and use the N900 through the TV? Mar 20 18:29:37 Stskeeps: lol :) Mar 20 18:30:01 you forgot the ps3 joystick Mar 20 18:30:02 DrGrov, yes, but the TV connection is composite, so don't expect HD Mar 20 18:30:12 playing Bounce on a large LCD TV is quite fun, though Mar 20 18:30:18 typing notes -- not really Mar 20 18:30:24 counting pixels doesn't sound very fun :P Mar 20 18:30:33 mgedmin: no, i don't need HD :) it is enough with composite Mar 20 18:30:54 you can watching movies that way Mar 20 18:31:00 when I tried it the picture was a bit dark Mar 20 18:31:11 mgedmin: yeah, that is what i thought. though i have a Xbox 360 for that purpose. Mar 20 18:31:48 mgedmin: mostly for doing messages and IM and calls through the TV. Nothing really spectacular. Mar 20 18:31:55 Just would be a cool thing to test when someone calls. Mar 20 18:31:59 and write some messages. Mar 20 18:32:59 a 42" lcd tv is not too big to write messages and IM ? Mar 20 18:35:50 mgedmin: the size of the tv screen shouldn't affect quality i hope? i mean, it would still be possible to write messages and use IM as good as on the phone on a tv Mar 20 18:38:33 ok, back to the beginning Mar 20 18:38:51 now, would there be a way to put files on the vfat partition whith characters like '?' ? Mar 20 18:40:00 Corsac, no Mar 20 18:40:05 why would you want to do that Mar 20 18:41:23 * Shapeshifter hugs unicode Mar 20 18:41:30 Arif_: because I have music named like that Mar 20 18:41:40 hmm Mar 20 18:41:42 Arif_: basically all my music filenames use the “correct” titles Mar 20 18:41:59 mine don't have question marks :( Mar 20 18:42:23 Corsac: that problem gets even bigger when you have, like, japanese music with original titles as filenames. and that is why unicode rocks ;) though it's really a bit weird when people do that. Mar 20 18:42:44 gets kinda hard to search for unless you know the glyphs >.> Mar 20 18:42:56 that's why they invented id3 tags Mar 20 18:43:05 Shapeshifter: I'd be ok with something replacing “wrong” characters, music is correctly tagged Mar 20 18:43:18 but I don't know a handy tool which would do that recursively on my music folder Mar 20 18:43:30 bulk rename utility Mar 20 18:43:41 or Mar 20 18:43:43 mp3tag Mar 20 18:44:39 Corsac: or easytag Mar 20 18:45:25 DocScrutinizer: you wanna try the new and improved alarmed? Mar 20 18:45:57 Arif_: will that work recursively on a folder? Mar 20 18:46:28 yes Mar 20 18:47:13 which bluetooth keyboard should i get? Mar 20 18:47:21 one from DX? Mar 20 18:47:39 I hear there are some issues with bluetooth keyboards Mar 20 18:47:41 Arif_: DX? DealExtreme? Mar 20 18:47:48 mgedmin: ah, do tell more. Mar 20 18:47:56 I'm not sure what exactly those are; I don't use a BT keyboard Mar 20 18:47:57 yes Mar 20 18:48:01 the builtin one is good enough Mar 20 18:48:05 i would need a wireless keyboard for the N900 Mar 20 18:48:23 AFAIU the same keys that are present on the builtin one work fine, but the N900 doesn't ship X keymaps for standard 101-key keyboards Mar 20 18:48:30 i don't want long cables and shit hanging somewhere. my tv is a bit far away from the couch since it's 42". Mar 20 18:48:31 so if you use things like VNC you end up being unable to use some of the keys Mar 20 18:48:52 you can just copy the keymap from any linux computer Mar 20 18:49:05 make that any *other* linux computer Mar 20 18:49:06 ah, that is a true pain then... i could copy my current Vector Linux keymap from xorg.conf though. Mar 20 18:58:17 Shapeshifter: though, isn't bulk rename an n900 utility? Mar 20 18:58:26 Corsac: *shrug* Mar 20 18:58:49 ? Mar 20 19:08:04 any idea why the "changes" in project info page get stuck to an old version ? Mar 20 19:09:34 * Noobmonk3y has had way tomuch to drink..... Mar 20 19:09:58 did the forum just die? Mar 20 19:10:29 oh oh.. Mar 20 19:10:31 i just joined.... did i kill it? Mar 20 19:10:33 panic() Mar 20 19:10:33 Arif_: seems like it Mar 20 19:10:38 hooray Mar 20 19:11:08 did Nokia forget to feed the squirrels again? Mar 20 19:11:27 lol Mar 20 19:11:49 aww it's back Mar 20 19:11:54 the trolling may continue Mar 20 19:11:56 is it? Mar 20 19:11:57 back Mar 20 19:12:02 (t.m.o. is back) Mar 20 19:12:11 ohhhh Mar 20 19:12:22 thats quite often these days Mar 20 19:13:05 hmm Mar 20 19:13:20 Noobmonk3y, excellent Mar 20 19:13:26 they should add the "share" option to the media player too Mar 20 19:13:28 you are drunken in charge of a pc Mar 20 19:14:02 excellent to what lcuk? lol Mar 20 19:14:25 on the m25 and not sober..... :) Mar 20 19:14:42 drunken in charge of an n900 Mar 20 19:17:51 thank someone for car chargers .... 12 hours without a charger is dangerous.... Mar 20 19:18:59 Noobmonk3y, 12 hours is ok depending on what you are doing Mar 20 19:20:05 talking on herfe , wedding photos, uploading to flickr, tmo and blogging... quite impressed Mar 20 19:22:13 yeah Noobmonk3y :) Mar 20 19:23:55 i love my gf.... driving my car... saying .. 2hy the fu*k are they in the middle lane.... move you co*k!!! Mar 20 19:24:02 why* Mar 20 19:24:27 your girlfriend is a trooper putting up with you :p Mar 20 19:25:06 damn Mar 20 19:25:10 i found it Mar 20 19:25:48 my girlfriend is actually a tidy bit worse than that Mar 20 19:26:13 she tells in traffic when driving... "You fat f***, fuck off and die!" lol Mar 20 19:27:12 hahaaha.... Mar 20 19:27:18 i prefer the subtlty Mar 20 19:27:30 DrGrov, why censor only one instance of fuck? Mar 20 19:27:55 or does she actually pronounce the * Mar 20 19:28:13 "you fat eff star star star" Mar 20 19:28:21 Censoring words is lame anyways Mar 20 19:28:31 i spy with my little eye something beginning with p..... errr........ p...... ptreeeeeee Mar 20 19:28:41 * GeneralAntilles would argue TV is often funnier censored. Mar 20 19:28:44 lol i put the * in fu*k Mar 20 19:29:27 Noobmonk3y, i forgot to ask, why censor the word "cork" Mar 20 19:29:51 in linux can i change the audio delay Mar 20 19:30:07 im watching a streaming movie and i have about 1s sync problem Mar 20 19:30:22 i am hearing the things before they happen Mar 20 19:30:27 co*k ..... what a lovely place Mar 20 19:30:38 and when its bone splintering crunches i prefer them in sync Mar 20 19:30:42 lcuk: mplayer uses + and - for that. Mar 20 19:31:03 Shapeshifter, and if i was using mplayer i could - its a flash video Mar 20 19:31:15 lcuk: I guess yeah. not sure though. Mar 20 19:31:31 lcuk : the sound is heard *before* the video ? Mar 20 19:31:39 yes v13 Mar 20 19:31:49 i hear gunshots, then watch the gun being fired etc Mar 20 19:31:58 i believe that either the video is bad or your cpu can't handle the video Mar 20 19:32:36 is it happening with youtube ? Mar 20 19:32:56 nahh megavideo Mar 20 19:33:07 or the codec is wrong Mar 20 19:33:15 but it is flash Mar 20 19:33:47 sometimes i currect flash a/v desync by pause and resume Mar 20 19:34:51 its probably bad video Mar 20 19:35:08 im looking at others anr they are closer to sync than this one Mar 20 19:36:15 youtube is a good test. If it is in sync then it's the site's player or the video Mar 20 19:36:49 Any idea if package imported runs from cron ? Mar 20 19:36:53 importer Mar 20 19:38:51 * Noobmonk3y thinks the a24 is poor with signal.... but i'm still here.... Mar 20 19:39:49 Noobmonk3y: are you driving while drunk and writing on IRC at the same time? Mar 20 19:39:52 that is some feat Mar 20 19:40:33 lol! Mar 20 19:40:46 give me a bit of credit! Mar 20 19:40:51 missus is driving my car Mar 20 19:41:05 he must have one of those steering wheel desks to keep himself organised Mar 20 19:41:35 :) Mar 20 19:42:42 * Shapeshifter can't figure out how to catch sigusr1 inside a pyside app. Mar 20 19:42:52 Which is the best msn plugin for Conversations? Mar 20 19:43:07 I use pecan Mar 20 19:43:17 but I believe it draws some battery Mar 20 19:43:35 fwiw, I've settled with google talk which is more secure. Mar 20 19:43:39 morning Mar 20 19:43:43 GeneralAntilles: ? Mar 20 19:44:51 Butterfly/Haze/Pecan - Hmmm Mar 20 19:47:18 damn its the video Mar 20 19:47:57 they all suck pretty bad for not limiting conversations to contacts Mar 20 19:51:12 well, optifying themes isn't a good idea Mar 20 19:51:24 (as in moving /usr/share/themes Mar 20 19:52:02 ) Mar 20 19:52:08 * Noobmonk3y is stopping of at the (possible future father in law's) place for his special home brew...... what a stop off!!! wohooooooooo Mar 20 19:55:00 * Noobmonk3y swears at 1 bar of 2g........ Mar 20 19:58:44 * Noobmonk3y is sining along to avenue Q..... eeeeeeeeeeveryones a little bit racist....... (youtube aenue Q) Mar 20 19:58:55 (avenue Q*) Mar 20 19:59:06 1 bar of 2G/ Mar 20 19:59:18 you live in Africa or something? Mar 20 19:59:38 in surrey/sussex Mar 20 19:59:59 you should move to a better place Mar 20 20:00:00 :( Mar 20 20:00:20 http://www.e-castig.com/index.php?r=HzkN please, just click this link to help me win iphone, it's not a virus, i swear :))))))))))))))) Mar 20 20:00:59 you live in Africa or something? Mar 20 20:01:14 happens in tunnels and the "underground" as England calls it :) Mar 20 20:02:01 or the country side...... ie... most of england Mar 20 20:02:09 is there any way to display the progress of cp in terminal? Mar 20 20:02:19 <_llll_> with strace, MohammadAG Mar 20 20:02:27 MohammadAG: AFAIK no Mar 20 20:02:31 <_llll_> google it Mar 20 20:02:42 <_llll_> or use 'rsync -P' for a built-in way Mar 20 20:02:45 there must be another program that does this. Mar 20 20:02:49 hmm Mar 20 20:02:56 I have 3G in the metro Mar 20 20:02:57 :D Mar 20 20:03:09 Arif_, you are special Mar 20 20:03:14 yay Mar 20 20:03:22 ~ honour Arif_ Mar 20 20:03:34 * Arif_ is on TMobile NL Mar 20 20:03:39 infobot is american? Mar 20 20:04:03 ~honour Noobmonk3y Mar 20 20:04:04 ahhhh still better than the uk lol Mar 20 20:04:11 hm Mar 20 20:04:16 too bad I only get 1Mbit Mar 20 20:04:20 and after 2GB 384 Mar 20 20:04:32 Note to self, when changing theme via terminal, do it as user Mar 20 20:04:47 loling MohammadAG Mar 20 20:04:55 stop using the terminal for that kind of things Mar 20 20:05:13 V13, no what? Mar 20 20:05:20 oh nvm Mar 20 20:05:47 painful result? Mar 20 20:06:24 now in the outback.... ashington west sussex..... still got 3.5g... random.... Mar 20 20:06:30 Arif_, I'd get rid of the GUI for terminal Mar 20 20:07:10 stop not appreciating GUIs Mar 20 20:07:21 how do I add a .sh to my PATH? Mar 20 20:07:54 ~ slap Arif_ Mar 20 20:07:54 meh infobot is on holiday Mar 20 20:07:55 * infobot slaps Arif_, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! Mar 20 20:08:01 oh no 2g lol Mar 20 20:08:11 * Arif_ touches infobot Mar 20 20:08:20 2g delay is random Mar 20 20:08:36 ~ fondle lcuk Mar 20 20:09:51 2g delay? Mar 20 20:12:35 * Noobmonk3y will brb Mar 20 20:17:51 I'm le tired now. Mar 20 20:18:25 stop being tired in French Mar 20 20:19:20 ;_; Mar 20 20:19:25 Hi there ! Mar 20 20:19:53 Do you guys know if there is any VoiceRecognition package/app for the n900 ? Mar 20 20:20:08 say again? Mar 20 20:20:16 massoud, no Mar 20 20:20:16 that could allow like voice-jabbering Mar 20 20:21:21 voice recognition is a regrettably hard problem - and none of the players that do it seem inclined to put it on small platforms. Mar 20 20:21:39 It is clearly possible - see Dragon Dictate of 1994 for performance on similar hardware Mar 20 20:22:27 anyone tried ioquake3? Mar 20 20:22:42 i get a black screen but can hear menu noises Mar 20 20:31:06 you have to navigate to the first nightvision pack first, before seeing the screen Mar 20 20:31:34 apt-get install torch :p Mar 20 20:31:53 wasnt it doom3 that wouldnt let you duct tape a torch to your shotgun Mar 20 20:36:20 Proper physics based games that let you improvise boobytraps would be so awesome. Mar 20 20:36:36 Boobytraps? :O Mar 20 20:36:48 booby :O Mar 20 20:36:52 Tit? Mar 20 20:36:58 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booby_trap Mar 20 20:37:00 Aha! Mar 20 20:37:39 SpeedEvil: GMod perhaps? :P Mar 20 20:37:40 tit? Mar 20 20:37:47 ;o Mar 20 20:44:40 lcuk: Doom 3 did force you to use the flashlight and your weapons separately. Mar 20 20:45:08 ._. Mar 20 20:45:14 You say what Mar 20 20:45:21 Boobytraps, with a isolated bird wandering round for no apparant reason would be _awesome_ Mar 20 20:45:31 If you were able to use both at the same time, the entire game would become useless. Mar 20 20:45:36 you walk next to it, and it explodes, killing you Mar 20 20:45:47 Bird with some birdfood in a route leading to the trap would be pure sex. Mar 20 20:45:48 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-footed_Booby Mar 20 20:45:56 Yo, zerojay. Mar 20 20:46:03 GeneralAntilles: Yo. Mar 20 20:47:31 Shapeshifter: sure I want Mar 20 20:52:31 Does the n900 handle Java? Mar 20 20:52:36 In a webbrowser that is Mar 20 20:52:49 Java on the web? Did we just return to the 90s or something? Mar 20 20:53:04 I've been frozen down for 20 years, and just woke up. Mar 20 20:53:40 so you can play games like minecraft? Mar 20 20:54:58 well.. there are other uses too Mar 20 20:55:22 We've a KVM with java web interface in order to be able to transmit A/V. Mar 20 20:55:33 It would require a proprietary plugin otherways. Mar 20 20:55:41 I'd live to have access to that Mar 20 20:56:42 re Mar 20 20:57:27 marcus__ icedtea/openjdk brings a browser plugin Mar 20 20:57:38 woglinde: Ok, thanks (: Mar 20 20:57:44 marcus__ but the solution isnt yet enduser friendly Mar 20 20:57:59 woglinde: Hopefully I can manage it. Mar 20 20:58:11 we at jalimo dont have the time yet to bring all stuff in shape Mar 20 20:58:17 jalimo? Mar 20 20:59:24 try this http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenJDK_6.0_0_%28Cambridge_Software_Labs%29_on_N900 Mar 20 20:59:36 for maemo4 we used openembeddedto build openjdk Mar 20 20:59:51 which you could easily install on your device Mar 20 21:00:07 okay Mar 20 21:00:32 http://www.jalimo.org Mar 20 21:01:10 Ah fun, fun: http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/12/12/0037206/Sci-Fi-Author-Peter-Watts-Beaten-Charged-During-Border-Crossing Mar 20 21:01:37 woglinde: the Jalimo stuff appears to be usable mostly by its authors. Kinda useless for an average Joe Mar 20 21:01:53 rst bah Mar 20 21:01:57 RST38h: But he's canadian, so clearly guilty. Mar 20 21:02:16 SpeedEvil: Guess what? He has just been found guilty of assulting a police officer! Mar 20 21:02:30 hello...I am actually new to IRC .I am interested in working on MeeGo: power usage tuning as gsoc project .How to go about it and apply?can any one tell the procedure please. Mar 20 21:02:42 sekhar: /msg VDVsx Mar 20 21:02:55 rst if the fucking javavm would run smooth with qemu Mar 20 21:03:04 all stuff where in extras yet Mar 20 21:03:21 woglinde: I am not even sure anyone needs something like that on the tablets Mar 20 21:04:08 woglinde: Would be more interested in a standard PhoneME package that would run midp games, from a file manager (using mime type) Mar 20 21:04:15 rst you proably not Mar 20 21:04:19 other would like it Mar 20 21:04:32 for instance the java browser plugin Mar 20 21:04:55 woglinde: This is the moment where I usually ask about what real Java apps exist that are widely used by people Mar 20 21:05:05 hm I give up on phoneme long time ago Mar 20 21:05:07 (and ask to exclude Eclipse ;)) Mar 20 21:07:51 anyone try to port gnome accessiblity apis to maemo before? Mar 20 21:20:01 Can someone try installing "Desktop Activity Manager" from extras-testing? Mar 20 21:20:18 It should work, but the previous version had a dependency problem. Mar 20 21:36:43 V13, try disabling other repositories Mar 20 21:37:07 theres possibly a later version in -devel Mar 20 21:38:02 oh no :) Mar 20 21:38:04 i wrote that :) Mar 20 21:38:25 but someone had problems installing it because of dependency problems Mar 20 21:38:39 * marcus__ listens to "If you don't know me by now" Mar 20 21:45:42 is anyone here working on a text-app-launcher? Mar 20 21:46:18 ??? Mar 20 21:48:14 user_: Which is what? Mar 20 21:48:27 you know when you type the first letter of an app to find and launch it insted looking through menus Mar 20 21:49:01 Can't you use xterm for that? Mar 20 21:49:08 some of the name -> tab Mar 20 21:49:11 -> enter Mar 20 21:49:21 that involves opening xterm.. Mar 20 21:49:27 user__, good idea Mar 20 21:49:38 where is tab on n900? Mar 20 21:49:48 i dunno if its in now or if its in any of the menu apps but it would be a cool thing to have Mar 20 21:50:06 ye many desktops have those Mar 20 21:50:25 * lcuk nods my playground does too Mar 20 21:56:35 also in xterm there seems to be alot of other apps and suggestions Mar 20 21:58:16 anyone ever setup their desktop and n900 via bluetooth a2dp? Mar 20 21:58:40 ie, the desktop as an a2dp slave to the n900? Mar 20 21:59:33 * Noobmonk3y is less sober than before.... and tripzero , no idea. Mar 20 22:05:53 user__: fwiw, i heard rumor that there's an app coming through ovi store for a typing based launcher Mar 20 22:13:39 hms Mar 20 22:15:04 hms Mar 20 22:15:27 seems diablo hasnt pushed my net-snmp build into the repos Mar 20 22:15:34 the logs said all build fine Mar 20 22:17:09 good. found an old brainstorm thread about porting an applauncher but it's dead Mar 20 22:17:26 is there an app to integrate mathematical functions? Mar 20 22:17:26 anything (for linux, and hopefully with a GTK UI) Mar 20 22:17:52 DocScrutinizer: right, I'll pm you the links Mar 20 22:18:02 k Mar 20 22:18:15 seems to hang at i386 stage somehow Mar 20 22:18:22 will upload it again Mar 20 22:19:21 DocScrutinizer: so now there's alarmed.py, the backend and the gui. if you want to use the CLI, run alarmed.py with -C Mar 20 22:20:15 DocScrutinizer: so for example, to change the profile to general in 10 seconds, run /opt/alarmed/alarmed.py -CP General -T "general switch" -z "now + 10 seconds" Mar 20 22:20:24 DocScrutinizer: cron should also work Mar 20 22:20:45 -c "23,35 * * 2 *" and such Mar 20 22:21:04 Shapeshifter: you're aware you'll have to prepare a manpage now? ;-P Mar 20 22:22:24 DocScrutinizer: yeah ^^ I'm really short on time actually. Writing this was more fun than my assignments though ^^ Tomorrow I'll need to do some "real" work. Will get around doing a manpage, and the presets feature next week. Mar 20 22:23:21 DocScrutinizer: oh and I wasn't able to figure out how to receive sigusr1 inside the pyside app. Will need to dig deeper for that Mar 20 22:23:45 DocScrutinizer: and I'm not sure if the old events still work, but they *should* if I'm not mistaken Mar 20 22:24:09 ooh. That sounds like fun. might have a look into it, if I find a few free minutes Mar 20 22:26:11 DocScrutinizer: oh and there's lots of bugs of course. Will need to clean up some stuff. E.g. it doesn't halt when you don't supply a time. Mar 20 22:27:37 Shapeshifter: I'll come up with a loong list of flaws and bugs, prepare for that ;-D Mar 20 22:28:03 DocScrutinizer: good! ;) Mar 20 22:28:14 I'm gifted in triggering hidden bugs Mar 20 22:28:23 DocScrutinizer: oh they're not hidden :P Mar 20 22:28:30 lol Mar 20 22:28:38 DocScrutinizer: have you downloaded all the files? because I need to overwrite them Mar 20 22:28:47 mompl Mar 20 22:30:04 DocScrutinizer: you on a slow connection? Mar 20 22:31:33 k Mar 20 22:31:37 my ass is on a slow connection to my brain ;-P Mar 20 22:32:52 grr, not in the path Mar 20 22:33:47 DocScrutinizer: nah. the cosmetics come last ;) Mar 20 22:34:31 IroN900:~# ln -s /opt/alarmed/alarmed.py /sbin/alarmed Mar 20 22:34:52 hurray this time net-snmp got it Mar 20 22:35:13 not made up my mind whether it should go to /bin or /usr/bin or /usr/sbin rather Mar 20 22:35:38 DocScrutinizer: in this case, it should go to /usr/local/bin as it's not installed through apt and stuff Mar 20 22:39:09 DocScrutinizer: -i was completely broken. fixed now Mar 20 22:45:40 pissed off level reaching new highs Mar 20 22:46:25 After a couple of days of receiving n900 no. 2 after the original unit refused to transmit over the fmtx, I now have a flakey headphone jack Mar 20 22:46:29 anyone else had this? Mar 20 22:46:52 Lose a channel if i move the headphone plug a little. Mar 20 22:47:39 nidO, ? Mar 20 22:50:25 C-S-B: the headphone jack is not soldered to the PCB. It is a push connector, that can be unreliable. Mar 20 22:50:35 But generally works fine for most. Mar 20 22:50:46 Are you sure it's not hte phones? Mar 20 22:51:32 not soldered? Mar 20 22:51:39 how is it affixed? Mar 20 22:51:53 so not worth a return? Mar 20 22:52:16 It's a spring connector. Mar 20 22:52:21 It works fine for me. Mar 20 22:52:33 could you elabourate? Mar 20 22:52:40 I personally would go to a nokia care centre. AIUI they fix it while you wait. Mar 20 22:52:52 O RLY? Mar 20 22:53:08 http://www.mediafire.com/?ndmjylkj4wk See Mar 20 22:53:20 But I've not dealt with them, it's possible I'm mistaken. Mar 20 22:53:26 (l1/l2 manual) Mar 20 22:53:30 So if you moved your headphone around, does it dorp a channel? Mar 20 22:53:53 no Mar 20 22:53:57 mmm... Mar 20 22:54:15 so rather than a hw swap, get it fixed? Mar 20 22:54:19 The FMTX ant is also the same sort of connector Mar 20 22:54:41 I don't know how it's dealt with really - I just recall mention of while-you-wait service in some places. Mar 20 22:56:00 do you know which page is the headphone? Mar 20 22:56:09 not off-hand Mar 20 22:56:23 C-S-B, sure the jack's pushed in all of the way? Mar 20 22:56:39 you've tried the supplied headset? Mar 20 22:56:51 yup, pushed all the way. Mar 20 22:58:01 Maybe try turning your ears off and on again? Mar 20 22:58:02 quite annoying as the last unit didnt do this. Mar 20 22:58:26 ? My body does not have this function, not being an android (no pun). Mar 20 23:01:56 just looked at the manual, looks like the pins required pushs out when the plug is pushed in forcing a connection to the board, unless I'm mistaken? Mar 20 23:03:05 it's something like that Mar 20 23:03:12 go exchange and 3rd time lucky, maybe Mar 20 23:03:25 no - as I understand it - the connector always has the pins forced against the board Mar 20 23:04:15 and if they aren Mar 20 23:04:16 t Mar 20 23:04:24 well then you get my issue I imagine Mar 20 23:04:31 anyone else getting this? Mar 20 23:05:03 Nope. Mar 20 23:05:07 not personally, and the few people I know irl with their n900's are having no known hardware issues either Mar 20 23:05:11 Or rather - not seeing the issue Mar 20 23:05:20 looks like you've been struk by a double dose of bad luck Mar 20 23:05:28 tell me about it! Mar 20 23:05:44 and no, I'm not wreckless with it. It's looked after. Mar 20 23:05:56 go exchange again imo, at least it's just an inconvenience and not actually leaving you with an expensive paperweight Mar 20 23:06:03 :/ Mar 20 23:06:22 no way the headphones were forced as today was the first time I plugged in Mar 20 23:06:33 so faulty from box. (im Mar 20 23:07:07 just for the sake of testing, not that itll change anything, have you tried the tv output and see if that looks + sounds fine? Mar 20 23:07:08 I'm going down with a radio and set of head phones. I'm going to test this hw out to the full extent I can while im in the store Mar 20 23:07:56 nidO, I can. Not yet however. Why though? Mar 20 23:08:20 curiosity on my part more than anything, as I said it wont change your problem in any way Mar 20 23:09:07 why would the connection not ne soldered, that sounds like bad design... Mar 20 23:09:14 *ne=be Mar 20 23:10:23 its probably technically an improved design. I dont know exactly how the sprung connectors on a lot of the n900's jacks etc are designed, but a sprung connector should allow mistreatment better than a solder as itll be resistant to shocks and force against the connector Mar 20 23:11:44 some people have had problem with the device's phone speaker because of the sprung connector coming loose so the design might just be not as good as it should be, but dropping a phone full of soldered points = chance of them breaking off, and a soldered headphone jack will snap clean away if you jam a plug in too hard Mar 20 23:11:54 whereas a sprung connector should be able to take a bit of abuse Mar 20 23:12:44 plus - if you break the spring connector - it's a $2 part, not a $200 Mar 20 23:16:35 i suppose. Mar 20 23:17:05 but its not successful here, I dont know who QC'd my batch.. Mar 20 23:17:43 gotta be just shit luck, especially as the faults on each are both different Mar 20 23:19:16 I would say your problems arent really representative of the phone in general though so wouldnt let it put you off the phone, as the number of people reporting hardware failures is pretty tiny Mar 20 23:20:31 this sounds like the newbiest question, but why do file permissions change when i copy a file to my n900 flash? Mar 20 23:21:17 i'm moving a directory hierarchy from ubuntu to my n900 media Mar 20 23:21:37 are you copying it to MyDocs? Mar 20 23:21:39 largely depends on how you're moving it Mar 20 23:22:35 i'm copying it to the sdcard Mar 20 23:22:57 ok nid0, i'll try it commandline Mar 20 23:23:00 is the sdcard ext2/3? Mar 20 23:23:09 * simula kicks himself Mar 20 23:23:21 thanks ml-mobile, nope its FAT :P Mar 20 23:23:26 hah Mar 20 23:23:32 that'll do it Mar 20 23:24:04 what would be better ext2 or 3? Mar 20 23:24:48 I say 3 Mar 20 23:25:00 thanks ml-mobile Mar 20 23:25:12 np Mar 21 00:04:34 looking at the service manual, it's just the sprung connection thats not tense enough in my unit, Mar 21 00:04:48 it will hold but moving it in the opposite direction will break that Mar 21 00:05:54 my headphone jack for those not in the know. Mar 21 00:06:29 * C-S-B Has the worst luck with N900 and will be talking to Nokia QA Mar 21 00:08:01 anyone here who'd be able to answer some gsoc questions? Mar 21 00:12:31 MrGoose: that would be vdvsx Mar 21 00:13:00 are you a student? Mar 21 00:13:11 dmj726_n900: yes Mar 21 00:13:27 me too Mar 21 00:13:41 dmj726_n900: well part time anyway. Mar 21 00:13:43 what are you looking to do? Mar 21 00:14:11 not sure yet but I'd want to know what the proposal should contain Mar 21 00:14:20 what about you? Mar 21 00:14:51 I have a plan to make the n900 accessible. Mar 21 00:15:07 accessible? Mar 21 00:15:18 for blind users Mar 21 00:15:27 right! Mar 21 00:16:05 sounds like a pretty good idea. Mar 21 00:16:23 espeak could be used with a script. sdout all the prompts to it. Mar 21 00:16:52 already made a python gui app that uses espeak Mar 21 00:17:28 Stephen Hawkins is in my phone Mar 21 00:17:40 people find espeak has an annoying voice Mar 21 00:18:05 dmj726: as opposed to what? Mar 21 00:18:36 festival has some more natural sounding ones Mar 21 00:19:07 what Mar 21 00:20:36 more natural voices Mar 21 00:27:38 C-S-B: still both issues might have a common cause. SpeedEvil mentioned the fm-tx antenna also is pring-contact (though I'm not sure about that). Anyway a spring contact obviously has to be clean to work properly. If they ghad some incident in fab causing poor cleaning of PCB after SMT reflow soldering, or whatever, or if PCB manufacturer was trying savings on the gold plating of the contact pads, you easily might see all sorts of random Mar 21 00:27:40 contact issues on a whole batch Mar 21 00:29:15 dmj726_n900: hrm Mar 21 00:29:27 also speaker Mar 21 00:29:28 how precisely do you expect a blind user to interact with a touchscreen? Mar 21 00:29:32 which again some people... Mar 21 00:29:37 a touchscreen w/o haptic feedback Mar 21 00:29:39 timeless_mbp: braille! Mar 21 00:29:40 i dont like it. Im a solder man Mar 21 00:29:51 SpeedEvil: where? see above :) Mar 21 00:29:51 timeless_mbp: it has feedback Mar 21 00:30:03 SpeedEvil: no useful haptic feedback Mar 21 00:30:10 perhaps. Mar 21 00:30:14 timeless_mbp: you could do a viavoice type voice interface, depending on how powerful the CPU is Mar 21 00:30:24 hd1: i'm not doing anything Mar 21 00:30:25 timeless_mbp: sound feedback and long click might work, somehow, as well Mar 21 00:30:35 well, perhaps i'm being a devil's advocate Mar 21 00:30:38 The CPU is certainly fast enough to run voice decoder. Mar 21 00:30:47 Im so tempted to dismantle the unit myself but its not worth my time. Mar 21 00:30:59 It's lots faster (especially counting the DSP) than 1995 or so PCs with voice recognition were. Mar 21 00:31:02 Lynoure: again, how do you give useful feedback so that the user can interact with the touch display? Mar 21 00:31:07 This issue isnt a game over. I'll swap it over when I get the time. Mar 21 00:31:11 :/ Mar 21 00:31:28 timeless_mbp: Some people use screen readers insanely fast - ~600wpm Mar 21 00:31:29 C-S-B: voice recognition doesn't solve much Mar 21 00:31:34 its all nice getting a new unit, 3rd one now- but moving the data over and blanking the device is a killer Mar 21 00:31:40 SpeedEvil: nah, that's fairly standard Mar 21 00:31:44 but again, fairly useless Mar 21 00:31:50 i'll give you a screen reader for free Mar 21 00:31:56 that doesn't solve user interaction w/ a touchscreen Mar 21 00:32:03 timeless_mbp: Screen reader is - slightly - trivial Mar 21 00:32:05 _blind_ user Mar 21 00:32:33 9 buttons on screen - quite possible - more would be challenging Mar 21 00:32:33 timeless_mbp: what about the sound feedback on touch and long click to click? Mar 21 00:32:48 Lynoure: how is that remotely helpfu? Mar 21 00:32:55 Lynoure: turn off your n900 Mar 21 00:32:58 now close your eyes Mar 21 00:32:59 timeless_mbp: imagine a number pad Mar 21 00:33:02 try to turn it on Mar 21 00:33:07 what happens? Mar 21 00:33:26 how many screens do you have to go through (and when) before you get to the desktop? Mar 21 00:33:40 once you're at the desktop, how in the world do you interact with it? Mar 21 00:33:48 how many hot areas are on your desktop? Mar 21 00:33:52 timeless_mbp: if you have your stylys touching a number, it says the number (e.g. "9"). Keep the stylus there to click. Mar 21 00:33:56 mine has at least 6 Mar 21 00:34:29 Lynoure: also - xstroke Mar 21 00:34:30 timeless_mbp: I'm talking about just how to get touchscreen to work with a blind person, not how to get maemo5 to work with a blind person Mar 21 00:34:47 The latter I don't even want to think about Mar 21 00:34:55 Lynoure: well, that's the subject here Mar 21 00:35:06 dmj726_n900 specifically indicate gsoc for n900 Mar 21 00:35:17 i'm suggesting he's biting off more than he should try to chew Mar 21 00:35:30 Why would you even try to make touch screens usable for a blind person Mar 21 00:35:33 s/indicate/indicated/ Mar 21 00:35:35 I mean, they can't even use the "screen" part Mar 21 00:36:11 Lumpio_: i can actually argue taking the n900 hardware and making it valuable to a blind person Mar 21 00:36:15 heh Mar 21 00:36:17 Lumpio_: because there are not many phones with braille screens, maybe Mar 21 00:36:21 but that's distinct from making the touchscreen usable w/ maemo5 Mar 21 00:36:28 I hope there are some. Mar 21 00:36:40 I doubt it. Mar 21 00:36:54 http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20127015.700-vibrating-touch-screen-puts-braille-at-the-fingertips.html Mar 21 00:36:58 For a phone, you don't need a display Mar 21 00:37:10 ooh, Squibble Mar 21 00:37:12 http://dvice.com/archives/2009/06/b-touch-cell-ph.php Mar 21 00:37:17 For a smartphone, of course you do Mar 21 00:37:29 anyway, there seem to be a couple Mar 21 00:37:32 (where display = means of outputting information to the user) Mar 21 00:37:38 http://www.tuvie.com/search/braille+phone Mar 21 00:38:02 pity it's just a concept Mar 21 00:38:19 for visualy impaired persons a touchscreen is about as useless as a telescope Mar 21 00:38:38 visually impaired != blind Mar 21 00:38:47 DocScrutinizer: the touch part is not necessarily useless Mar 21 00:38:59 they'll like a decent keyboard / keypad. preferrably a candybar formfactor Mar 21 00:39:20 But for blind people, it's a touchpad only. Mar 21 00:39:45 The n900 could be a good blind persons phone. Mar 21 00:39:51 touchpad all the same Mar 21 00:39:55 But not running stock maemo 5 Mar 21 00:40:26 Actually - it would be a sucky phone. Mar 21 00:40:43 It would be good as a smartphone. Mar 21 00:40:45 again, dmj726_n900 specifically said blind, not impaired Mar 21 00:42:15 need help ith start-stop-deamon Mar 21 00:42:17 gsoc projects should be _reasonable_ and _achievable_ in the available time Mar 21 00:42:27 one problem with the device is that the screen edges cannot be felt Mar 21 00:42:39 Lynoure: they could if you stuck some on. Mar 21 00:42:46 Lynoure: among many Mar 21 00:42:47 I am tring to issue a second udhcpc session and use the --pidfile option , yet Mar 21 00:42:50 SpeedEvil: yes Mar 21 00:42:58 oh - not that sort of felt Mar 21 00:43:00 I get the error already running. Mar 21 00:43:24 Doing a blind phone UI is basically a completely new software stack Mar 21 00:44:08 With sound feedback I think it would work. Not ideally, but I don't think there are many mobiles that work even that well. Whether that can be done within SOC, dunno. Mar 21 00:44:17 It can't. Mar 21 00:45:06 fwiw, nokia's windows desktop apps manage to screw up accessibility Mar 21 00:45:19 they're pretty impressive in that respect, actually Mar 21 00:45:27 (e.g. pc suite) Mar 21 00:45:42 yes, i've used NVDA w/ pc suite Mar 21 00:45:50 and yes i want to strangle someone @nokia Mar 21 00:46:13 you're in a better position to do it than most of us! :p Mar 21 00:46:18 nope Mar 21 00:46:22 not really Mar 21 00:46:28 i can't find the right people Mar 21 00:46:37 i actually encountered people who were probably Board level Mar 21 00:46:52 and they proceeded to ignore my explanation about how they were hurting our company Mar 21 00:47:01 just pick random people until you find the right ones, they might be a bit more helpful to point you in the right direction once killing starts too Mar 21 00:47:05 i think one even claimed he'd have someone look into it Mar 21 00:48:05 can anyonr spare a min and tell me if this init script is wrong Mar 21 00:48:06 #! /bin/sh Mar 21 00:48:16 http://dpaste.com/174154/ Mar 21 00:49:03 There shouldn't be a space aftwer the bang Mar 21 00:49:59 SpeedEvil: where? Mar 21 00:50:26 in the first line Mar 21 00:50:32 #!/bin/sh - not #! /bin/sh Mar 21 00:51:12 heh, yesterday a sysadmin(!) told me I *missed* this space on my script ;-P Mar 21 00:51:27 I think it doesn't matter Mar 21 00:51:42 but anyway this script is truncated Mar 21 00:51:49 i tried it, it seems to matter Mar 21 00:51:50 SpeedEvil: wrong paste - is the rest in order? Mar 21 00:52:36 CutMeOwnThroat: can't see hte paste Mar 21 00:52:53 citylights2: Mar 21 00:53:47 the case isn't closed Mar 21 00:54:12 there are obviously missing a couple of lines Mar 21 00:54:57 SpeedEv /etc/init.d/udhcpc start Mar 21 00:55:04 Starting Openvpn dhcp client for tap0: params: -n -i tap0 -s /etc/openvpn/udhcp.script /sbin/udhcpc already running. Mar 21 00:55:56 SpeedEvil: I fixed the first line, when I run /etc/init.d/udhcpc start Mar 21 00:56:02 DocScrutinizer: some ancinent unixes refuse it without the space, linux once (or still?) had problems when the lineending used dos linebreakes \r\n .. Mar 21 00:56:05 I get /sbin/udhcpc already running. Mar 21 00:56:27 or maybe the other way around .. refuse with space Mar 21 00:58:10 citylights2: so what? maybe it's actually already started? Mar 21 00:58:58 DocScrutinizer: ps aux |grep udhcp shows only the wlan0 session Mar 21 00:59:21 btw how started the wlan0 session icd2 ? how? Mar 21 00:59:30 citylights2: as I mentioned 2 times now, the case struct is missing the stop; and restart; entries Mar 21 00:59:34 can I also use this mechanizem? Mar 21 00:59:52 DocScrutinizer: sorry didnt see that Mar 21 01:00:01 let me paste all the file Mar 21 01:02:28 http://dpaste.com/174162/ Mar 21 01:02:41 DocScrutinizer: thnaks Mar 21 01:03:12 thanks Mar 21 01:07:54 any idea what I did wrong? Mar 21 01:10:17 line 29 the " -- " looks fishy. Just a feeling Mar 21 01:12:01 also I'd use ${varA}foo${varB} style, rather than $varAfoo$varB Mar 21 01:12:11 DocScrutinizer: to tell openvpn to run a script after connection I need to add --up script Mar 21 01:12:49 how can I use the scriot = /etc/init.d/udhcpc start ? Mar 21 01:13:43 I gather "--pidfile=/var/run/$NAME.$DEVICE.pid"" (line 20) is a parameter to start-stop-daemon Mar 21 01:14:23 also "-n -i" Mar 21 01:14:36 no, it is for udhcc to create a pid file. I also add it to the start-stop-deamon --pidfile pidfile and it seems ok now Mar 21 01:14:55 Hmm. Mar 21 01:15:03 Take heart! Mar 21 01:15:14 usually a syntax like "cmd -a -b -- -c" means -c is NOT a option to cmd Mar 21 01:15:15 Over in ##electronics, we have an iphone user. Mar 21 01:15:19 what? Mar 21 01:15:30 Who is wondering what parts of his phone he damaged by microwaving it. Mar 21 01:15:37 (but only for 3 seconds) Mar 21 01:15:51 uhm Mar 21 01:15:55 the whole phone maybe? Mar 21 01:15:56 :D Mar 21 01:15:58 :) Mar 21 01:16:00 capacitors Mar 21 01:16:39 actually the capacitors are the only components to survive Mar 21 01:16:51 *maybe* Mar 21 01:17:03 they contain oil Mar 21 01:17:16 err WHAT? Mar 21 01:17:21 I'm sure it won't work Mar 21 01:17:23 =D Mar 21 01:17:31 * GeneralAntilles bets on the N900 over the microwave. Mar 21 01:17:40 lol Mar 21 01:17:56 I'm not trying it out ;P Mar 21 01:18:22 GeneralAntilles: I'll bet on my trusty ol' 3310! Mar 21 01:18:42 or on my trusty 6110 Mar 21 01:19:12 or was it 6100 ? hmmmm Mar 21 01:19:17 I get confused Mar 21 01:19:36 it was over 13 years ago Mar 21 01:19:57 6110 is 2 years old Mar 21 01:19:58 or 3 Mar 21 01:20:17 :D Mar 21 01:20:35 or 14 Mar 21 01:20:55 DocScrutinizer: assuming the iinit scripot works now, can you tell me how does wlan0 udhcpc is invoked? Mar 21 01:21:15 is this init script alld\ready in my N900? Mar 21 01:22:12 yeah I was wrong on both counts,... it was the 6150 Mar 21 01:22:13 :) Mar 21 01:22:20 the first of the 6000 series Mar 21 01:22:27 bought it in 96 :D Mar 21 01:22:53 Will still work in Europe and Brazil :D Mar 21 01:23:56 That thing was built to last. Can't count the times it hit violently the floor and the battery cover would snap Mar 21 01:24:07 yet, no damage to lcd or anything else Mar 21 01:24:27 much like my treo 650... all scratched but still working after 5 years of abuse Mar 21 01:24:41 ok, assuming no one knoes the first question Mar 21 01:24:50 can anyone help me with the second? Mar 21 01:25:37 njsf_, playing 2 player snake over IR \o/ Mar 21 01:25:42 ok ok - I promiss I will go away after tis Mar 21 01:25:50 this Mar 21 01:26:38 Arif_: exchanging vcards with palms over IR too :) Mar 21 01:26:49 nobody had a palm here Mar 21 01:26:49 ;D Mar 21 01:27:08 citylights2: what init are you speaking? the init for boot of N900 ? Mar 21 01:28:22 njsf_ : my first question was about what program causes udhcpc to start for wlan0 connection, is it icd2 ? Mar 21 01:30:16 second scripting question: I can tell openvpn to run a script by --up script Mar 21 01:30:51 but i want the script to have one space so it will run /etc/init.d/udhcpc start = ow? Mar 21 01:30:55 how? Mar 21 01:37:25 citylights2: I suspect wlancond Mar 21 01:37:42 but you can start manually by /etc/init.d/udhcpd start Mar 21 01:40:38 ls: /etc/init.d/udhcpd: No such file or directory Mar 21 01:43:21 weird, I have it there Mar 21 01:43:41 please post it Mar 21 01:45:48 FINNALY it works Mar 21 01:46:06 well still not totally automatic Mar 21 01:47:11 still want it? Mar 21 01:47:30 njsf_: yes please Mar 21 01:48:54 http://pastebin.org/119071 Mar 21 01:51:01 njsf_:thnaks mate Mar 21 01:52:36 np Mar 21 01:56:12 njsf_: how to fix the space issue? Mar 21 01:56:33 I mean --up "/etc/init.d/udhcpc start" works Mar 21 01:58:07 not sure I understand your issue Mar 21 01:59:15 in /etc/default/openvpn I need to pass all arguments to openvpn Mar 21 01:59:51 OPTARGS="--script-security 2 --up /etc/init.d/udhcpc start" Mar 21 02:00:24 but openvpn complains that I need to put the /etc/init.d/udhcpc start in "" Mar 21 02:00:29 how? Mar 21 02:01:05 OPTARGS='--script-security 2 --up /etc/init.d/udhcpc start"' Mar 21 02:01:17 notice the single quote at start and end Mar 21 02:01:29 since you are not doing var expansion in there it will be ok Mar 21 02:01:48 start"' ? Mar 21 02:02:58 also note Mar 21 02:03:06 OPTARGS=' Mar 21 02:03:36 OPTARGS='--script-security 2 --up "/etc/init.d/udhcpc start"' Mar 21 02:03:40 yep Mar 21 02:03:45 I mean I read about the diffrence with " and ' Mar 21 02:03:53 ok thanks mate Mar 21 02:04:25 or Mar 21 02:04:39 OPTARGS="--script-security 2 --up '/etc/init.d/udhcpc start'" Mar 21 02:05:20 OPTARGS="--script-security 2 --up \"/etc/init.d/udhcpc start\"" Mar 21 02:05:27 should also work Mar 21 02:05:44 last option looks cool Mar 21 02:06:01 it's the orthodox one Mar 21 02:06:59 but depending how often you pass it thru the shell parser, you might need multiple \ Mar 21 02:07:03 like Mar 21 02:07:15 OPTARGS="--script-security 2 --up \\\"/etc/init.d/udhcpc start\\\"" Mar 21 02:11:27 working on it Mar 21 02:14:28 ence why I recommended the single quote approach :D Mar 21 02:15:00 yep, but it terribly fails with expansion Mar 21 02:15:44 but I need OPTARGS="--script-security 2 --up \\"/etc/init.d/udhcpc start" --down "/etc/init.d/udhcpc stop\\"" Mar 21 02:15:47 damn Mar 21 02:16:36 wn't work Mar 21 02:19:01 OPTARGS="--script-security 2 --up '/etc/init.d/udhcpc start' --down '/etc/init.d/udhcpc stop'" Mar 21 02:19:53 DocScrutinizer: thanks Mar 21 02:23:30 /etc/default/openvpn: line 19: syntax error: Unterminated quoted string Mar 21 02:24:10 sorry Mar 21 02:25:05 the --up directive should have at most 1 parameter. To pass a list of arguments Mar 21 02:25:12 as one of the parameters, try enclosing them in double quotes ("") Mar 21 02:34:21 well good night **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 21 02:59:56 2010