**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 21 02:59:57 2010 Mar 21 03:04:48 does anyone know where LSB wants me to install the libs that my app depends on? Mar 21 03:24:31 usr/lib/ ? Mar 21 03:33:56 thanks DocScrutinizer. it looks like the recommendations aren't finalized yet... http://proton.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html Mar 21 03:37:01 simula, AFAIK for maemo they are recommending optification in order to avoid filling up / Mar 21 03:37:04 -sjansen Mar 21 03:37:47 njsf_, that is the lsb folks recommendations too... to have a shell script call your actual app and move the libs to /opt/foo/lib Mar 21 03:38:20 are the libs specific to your app ? Mar 21 03:38:21 njsf_: that doesn't mean the app could reference the libs via /home/opt Mar 21 03:38:38 if not maybe it is better to have another package for the libs and put that package as dependency Mar 21 03:38:47 you still need a symlink from correct location to actual location Mar 21 03:39:43 njsf_, my app depends on Qt 4.6 and i'm trying to figure how to get those libs into most debian distros a couple years early :) i shouldn't have to worry about that with maemo though Mar 21 03:40:39 My vote would go to package the libs separately and make it a dependency Mar 21 03:41:20 sounds about right njsf_, i'll do it that way Mar 21 03:42:22 that way you can always depend on ld.so.conf to make the right thing on the distro Mar 21 03:45:11 * C-S-B has flashed his 2nd n900 to factory default in prep for unit no. 3 Mar 21 03:46:50 konttori, Ping Mar 21 03:47:38 joppu, Ping Mar 21 03:49:40 Andrewfblack: icmp timeout :) Mar 21 03:50:33 everyone I was wanting to talk to is asleep :) Mar 21 03:52:08 hehe Mar 21 03:55:32 just added click to unlock to one of my theme no more swiping : ) Mar 21 04:04:04 hello everyone Mar 21 04:04:28 Does anyone out there use/have a Motorola DROID? Mar 21 04:04:49 If so, what are some apps that you consider to be "must haves"? Mar 21 04:28:09 01:04 Does anyone out there use/have a Motorola DROID? | If so, what are some apps that you consider to be "must haves"? Mar 21 04:28:13 oh boy. Mar 21 04:28:21 what a notion. Mar 21 04:46:48 I can't figure out flasher and NSU sn't working for m Mar 21 06:06:54 nfermat: saw you on orkut right now Mar 21 07:01:43 join #qt-maemo Mar 21 08:03:25 Morning, all Mar 21 08:04:51 mourning Jaffa Mar 21 08:22:27 Hi, do you know anybody in the room who can help me signing one symbian application .....ready to donate some money.........urgent :) ...thanks Mar 21 08:25:02 No, we do not know anybody in this "room" who can help you signing a symbian application Mar 21 08:28:50 Any news on turn-by-turn navigation for N900 Ovi Maps? I see Sygic has released it's software. Mar 21 08:29:09 And I'm wondering if I should buy, or just wait for Ovi Maps to get better. Mar 21 08:32:10 Don't hold your breath Mar 21 08:41:22 Disappointing :P Mar 21 09:35:31 * RST38h fixed the power drain in FBReader Mar 21 09:36:49 What was it doing wrong? Mar 21 09:37:28 :) Mar 21 09:37:49 does anyone has an idea how the thumbnailers work? (like, how to make them download stuff eventually)? Mar 21 09:37:50 1s update loop IIRC Mar 21 09:38:51 ShadowJK: Updating clock display once a second Mar 21 09:39:01 like the google-album-art-downloader Mar 21 09:39:04 :) Mar 21 09:39:28 there's a dbus service but I'm not sure who's supposed to run it Mar 21 09:39:30 ShadowJK: changed to 60secs, the side effect of this will be the clock being off by 30sec on the average Mar 21 09:39:49 ShadowJK: I hope this will not be such a big deal though :) Mar 21 09:40:15 RST38h: what you can do is to go by the second until the first minute change and then switch to 60s interval Mar 21 09:40:22 Well you could set a wakeup for next time()%60 or something :) Mar 21 09:40:39 (though it might not be that useful in the end) Mar 21 09:40:56 Personally, I'd find it slightly handy Mar 21 09:41:36 switching between rpm and deb screws with my head - what was the command in debian for adding something to changelog? Mar 21 09:41:45 vi debian/changelog ? Mar 21 09:41:49 dch ? Mar 21 09:42:03 ah, yes Mar 21 09:42:39 Stskeeps: pico? Mar 21 09:42:40 good day Mar 21 09:43:20 RST38h: i hate making dates myself Mar 21 09:43:20 :P Mar 21 09:43:39 ShadowJK: well, it is not designed for that, the period is setup when the time updater is created Mar 21 09:43:48 Stskeeps: copy&paste from the previous record in changes :) Mar 21 09:44:26 * RST38h wonders if pupnik or someone else who delat with pcsx is around Mar 21 09:44:35 Need to figure out where I get "plugins" Mar 21 09:50:56 s/delat/dealt/ Mar 21 09:55:29 Any other complaints about FBReader that I can easily fix before pushing this update? Mar 21 09:55:44 RST38h: the default page pressure? Mar 21 09:55:47 click pressure Mar 21 09:56:10 for at least me - it diddn't used to page reliably when you touch the screen Mar 21 09:56:20 (till I reset the pressures) Mar 21 09:59:58 TomaszD: what was the url of that article you showed me the other day? Mar 21 10:00:13 Ah the pressure... Mar 21 10:00:27 It is much, MUCH more complicated than just the pressure... Mar 21 10:00:46 Stskeeps, no idea, wait Mar 21 10:00:46 RST38h: yes. I don't care. I reset the thresholds, and it 'just works'. Mar 21 10:00:49 But yes, I should at least disable "giner touch only" paging Mar 21 10:00:56 finger Mar 21 10:01:05 Because there is no finger touch on N900 Mar 21 10:01:24 personally, I would also disable the scrollbar from moving the position in the doc Mar 21 10:01:30 but that's a preference Mar 21 10:02:02 I have 0 and 6 set - and it works Mar 21 10:02:11 (fm) Mar 21 10:02:17 Stskeeps, can't find it, maybe there's a log? Mar 21 10:02:51 k Mar 21 10:03:24 Scroll indicators on the preference list could be larger - but that's minor Mar 21 10:03:41 TomaszD: ah, found it Mar 21 10:03:50 k Mar 21 10:06:18 Only other substantive issue is the button to exit fullscreen mode makes it impossible to read in some orientations Mar 21 10:08:38 hi all Mar 21 10:10:07 I need help with issuing udhcpu after openvpn Mar 21 10:10:56 I added sleep before issuing the udhcp command - yet the sleep is not obaied Mar 21 10:31:39 DocScrutinizer: did you notice anything else? if not, I'll release what is done. Mar 21 10:38:09 hi all Mar 21 10:38:47 why doent my N900 obay sleep 15 in a script? Mar 21 10:39:08 as in it might sleep longer? Mar 21 10:39:08 http://pastebin.com/9xrkk68b Mar 21 10:39:56 I mean it just issues the next line :start-stop-deamon Mar 21 10:41:07 in my pastebin you see that it issues udhcpc imidiatly Mar 21 10:41:28 but I put a sleep 15 line before it Mar 21 10:42:39 I don't see a sleep in your paste Mar 21 10:42:43 Where's the code Mar 21 10:43:42 http://pastebin.com/d2CiemGK Mar 21 10:43:51 that is my script Mar 21 10:47:46 Lumpio_: am I right? Mar 21 10:48:11 I guess it should sleep Mar 21 10:52:31 haha Mar 21 10:52:33 cityOfLights, what makes you think it doesn't sleep? Mar 21 10:53:27 so when I issue openvpn start , then issue udhcpc start it works fine Mar 21 10:53:45 but I want to automate it Mar 21 10:55:00 Terje1: I am looking at tail -f /var/log/openvpn.log and it doensnt sleep 15 as I see Mar 21 10:56:14 cityOfLights, well, according to the log you posted it's impossible to say. It doesn't log a time stamp for line before and after sleep. Mar 21 11:05:26 Terje1: ok I will add that to th script Mar 21 11:05:32 at nokia Mar 21 11:05:42 taking battary out Mar 21 11:05:44 brb Mar 21 11:11:07 Hi all. media player says it has 0 songs; it used tp have 1k. when i load a playlist of songs that used to be there, the songs play just fine... Mar 21 11:11:38 how do i make the media player rescan the .sounds folder? Mar 21 11:12:23 hmhm, is there no syslog running? Mar 21 11:12:41 jonaskoelker: istr something with tracker -r but I'm not sure Mar 21 11:12:46 that may give you a pointer though Mar 21 11:12:47 also, when playing the playlist, all songs are named "Information not available" Mar 21 11:13:07 jonaskoelker, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36145 Mar 21 11:13:13 sounds about right Mar 21 11:14:43 (in fact i'd like more something like auth.log, so I can know why is ssh refusing my key when logging in as user Mar 21 11:16:54 Thanks, I'm looking into that thread Mar 21 11:18:27 GNOME software: now with extra smart, and 100% free of technical details (some documentation required) Mar 21 11:20:08 lcuk: you a tracker expert? Mar 21 11:20:27 how might I have hosed the db? Mar 21 11:21:07 jonaskoelker, no, i just know how to google :) Mar 21 11:21:22 ah :) Mar 21 11:21:44 GNOME software: now treating you like a moron, that doesn't know what he wants Mar 21 11:21:51 I ought to take a class in that some day :D Mar 21 11:22:18 arachnist: so true... Mar 21 11:23:15 btw, is there a pod catcher that'll tun in cron and just pop up "got a new thing for you" once in a while? Mar 21 11:23:56 my phone is stuck in portrait mode... how can i reset that, since the ui doesn't work all that well that way Mar 21 11:24:21 ...although surprisingly well Mar 21 11:24:35 n900 is simply amazing Mar 21 11:25:11 should be able to order mine on friday :> Mar 21 11:25:29 N900 ftw :) Mar 21 11:25:47 n900 is meant to be a revolution. Hope the market's 'invisible hand' does not make the revolution fail. Mar 21 11:25:50 market forces are disgusting. Mar 21 11:26:07 * haltdef sighs at keyboardless devices Mar 21 11:26:20 thought it was a stupid fad that'd go away quickly Mar 21 11:26:23 it hasn't :( Mar 21 11:27:06 ptl: I think market forces are awesome, it's just the participants and their (mostly) stupid petty wants that disgust me Mar 21 11:27:16 so, any ideas, other than booting? Mar 21 11:27:46 jonaskoelker: if communism worked, I'd prefer that. Mar 21 11:27:54 Wolfie: smack up the X server? Mar 21 11:27:59 well. No, maybe not. Mar 21 11:28:31 oh well, i booted already Mar 21 11:28:58 wolfie: oh well... Mar 21 11:29:06 reboot was fixy-fixy? Mar 21 11:29:23 yeah Mar 21 11:41:46 hm... file manager no longer knows how to fsck? Mar 21 11:49:57 gah my hard drive is churning like a beast Mar 21 11:50:46 scheduled scan (which starts at 5am) was still going Mar 21 11:52:29 ouch! Mar 21 11:53:04 strange, it found noobmonk3y_w32.exe Mar 21 11:55:40 hahaha Mar 21 11:55:51 thank god it wasn't noobmonkey.jpg i say Mar 21 11:56:23 indeed that would crack my display :p Mar 21 11:57:00 right bbbiab Mar 21 12:02:55 ok so the sleep is ran. but it still doesnt work Mar 21 12:03:34 can anyone suggest why it works when running manually and not when in script? Mar 21 12:04:08 user_, i dunno missed the rest if there was some Mar 21 12:05:28 lcuk: hi there Mar 21 12:05:44 I am seeking the pastebin Mar 21 12:05:53 issue is simple Mar 21 12:06:51 * aSIMULAtor waves Mar 21 12:07:03 after I run openvpn I get tap0 Mar 21 12:07:23 oh hai aSIMULAtor Mar 21 12:07:30 I then issue a dhcp client to ask for an IP addr Mar 21 12:07:37 * lcuk waves frantically Mar 21 12:07:39 omygash hihihi Mar 21 12:07:40 !!!!!!!! Mar 21 12:08:08 how are you doing Mar 21 12:08:18 i'm good, decided to sit down andcheck out what's going on in here :) Mar 21 12:08:20 how are you? Mar 21 12:08:42 tired! been working flat out Mar 21 12:09:13 you been busy? Mar 21 12:09:19 i'm not surprised you're tired :) Mar 21 12:09:24 well, not as much as before hehe Mar 21 12:09:34 hmm. ok tell when Mar 21 12:09:58 * lcuk should hopefully have time to breath very soon and prepare some things Mar 21 12:10:29 in a couple of weeks? Mar 21 12:10:40 theres rumours around of me travelling your way Mar 21 12:10:43 yeah hopefully Mar 21 12:10:53 cool have to meet up for sure then Mar 21 12:11:12 has the snow melted yet Mar 21 12:11:15 ugh no Mar 21 12:11:22 or do i need to hire a boat! Mar 21 12:11:24 they dont' think the snow will melt even int eh summer Mar 21 12:11:25 arg lol Mar 21 12:11:36 yeah theres a lot over there Mar 21 12:11:42 another 10cm last week or something? Mar 21 12:11:42 ijust got my finnish license Mar 21 12:11:55 so when you come i can pick u up from where you're at and we can go around Mar 21 12:11:57 driving? or skiing? Mar 21 12:12:00 driving Mar 21 12:12:12 o_O :D Mar 21 12:12:19 funnily enough, the guy who tested me was talking about his n900 Mar 21 12:12:22 during the whole test lol Mar 21 12:12:26 bet thats harder to get than a uk/us license with the different conditions Mar 21 12:12:33 hah Mar 21 12:12:53 i traded my cali license for the finnish one..but still had to take the test since i didn't exchange it 8 months after i first moved here Mar 21 12:13:07 good thing about it, lasts 50 years Mar 21 12:13:11 ahhh Mar 21 12:13:15 thats good Mar 21 12:13:30 btw, you need to add yourself (and work ppl) to pininthemap.com/maemo Mar 21 12:15:30 k addin Mar 21 12:15:30 g Mar 21 12:19:29 citylights2 wheres the script you are running thats ignoring the sleep Mar 21 12:19:40 luck: pls look at http://pastebin.com/JYtnj410 Mar 21 12:20:17 i told openvpn to run this script: udhcpc with start Mar 21 12:21:07 I used --up "/etc/init.d/udhcpc start" Mar 21 12:21:48 it doesnt get an IP address and keeps printing: Mar 21 12:22:16 Sending discover... Mar 21 12:23:04 citylights2, thats a bit odd then Mar 21 12:24:12 as soon as I run udhcpc stop . then start - all works Mar 21 12:24:15 ODD Mar 21 12:24:26 why? Mar 21 12:24:40 isnt the sleep long? Mar 21 12:25:14 cos its not workiung Mar 21 12:25:22 ending discover... Mar 21 12:25:30 sending discover... Mar 21 12:25:54 Sending select for 192.168.14.73... Mar 21 12:26:28 what is bigging udhcpc then? Mar 21 12:28:02 s/bigging/bugging Mar 21 12:29:27 citylights2, ? i havent much experience with all the startup stuff (yet) but is there a chance this is occuring before your net is up? Mar 21 12:29:45 and failing before it gets to the sleep Mar 21 12:29:55 try adding logging to the script Mar 21 12:30:31 echo "blah" >>/var/log/test.log Mar 21 12:31:02 luck: no way. net is up Mar 21 12:31:10 I can test it Mar 21 12:31:27 ok just suggesting things Mar 21 12:31:44 thanks Mar 21 12:31:49 min pls Mar 21 12:37:23 Shapeshifter: moo. No further tests been done. Looks good Mar 21 12:37:35 DocScrutinizer: yeah I uploaded it to extras-devel, it's there Mar 21 12:37:52 hello people :) Mar 21 12:39:40 Shapeshifter: so 1) coffe 2) update ;-D Mar 21 12:49:13 lol, updatedb is so utterly broken. I wonder why it's even in the repo. Mar 21 12:49:50 /usr/bin/gnu/updatedb: line 363: /scratchbox/tools/bin/sort: not found Mar 21 12:49:58 did he even test it even once? meh. Mar 21 12:51:37 Anyone got firefox/fennoc with weave to work with a custom server? I cant find a box to enter my "secret" encryption key.. Mar 21 12:54:34 maemo has neither fam or gamin, right? how does it monitor changes to files? Mar 21 12:56:29 Shapeshifter, inotify Mar 21 12:57:04 lcuk: thanks Mar 21 12:58:48 * lcuk watches movies Mar 21 13:05:11 trololo song is incredible. Mar 21 13:05:20 someone should make a trololo theme for the N900. Mar 21 13:10:58 noone using weave here on the n900? Mar 21 13:15:49 :yawn: Mar 21 13:16:57 wtf my n900 doesn't wake up from sleep Mar 21 13:17:05 winter sleep? Mar 21 13:17:16 got an email, light is blinking, but doesn't react if I open it or press the unlock button Mar 21 13:17:24 ah side button worked Mar 21 13:17:27 the other two didn't Mar 21 13:17:29 :o Mar 21 13:17:58 I always use the slide thingy on the side Mar 21 13:18:03 I never use it Mar 21 13:18:53 its easier then pressing hte power button and then sliding th escreen Mar 21 13:19:31 Arif_: just sliding the screen doesn't need the button Mar 21 13:19:53 you need to press the power button once, don't you :P Mar 21 13:20:23 no Mar 21 13:20:37 just sliding the screen when its locked doesn't work... Mar 21 13:20:46 yes Mar 21 13:20:48 it does Mar 21 13:20:50 at least here >.> Mar 21 13:20:55 maybe its a setting Mar 21 13:21:09 * Arif_ puts his finger somewhere int he middle of the screen and slides it to the right Mar 21 13:21:12 aww Mar 21 13:21:15 nothing happened :( Mar 21 13:21:22 no, I mean opening the keyboard Mar 21 13:21:25 "sliding" it open Mar 21 13:21:29 oh Mar 21 13:21:35 yeah that works too Mar 21 13:21:38 I never use the keyboard though Mar 21 13:21:42 oha Mar 21 13:21:47 Shapeshifter: inotify?? 8-D Mar 21 13:21:56 DocScrutinizer: yeah lcuk told me :) Mar 21 13:22:02 Shapeshifter: I smell another cool feature Mar 21 13:22:23 DocScrutinizer: nah. I want to apply for gsoc ^^ And I'm thinking about writing the desktop search thing. Mar 21 13:22:46 so I'm thinking about ways to do it. but inotify doesn't work in this case. Mar 21 13:23:40 it'd work perfectly for the concurrent-access-to ~/.config/alarmed problem though Mar 21 13:25:21 how do I use the personal menu app on n800? Mar 21 13:25:26 I installed it but I do not see anything Mar 21 13:27:24 DocScrutinizer: oh you're totally right! I didn't even think of that :D Mar 21 13:33:25 is 5.2008.43-7 the latest for n800 Mar 21 13:41:52 yes, sounds right Mar 21 14:00:19 hi Mar 21 14:17:08 yay alsa floating point exception Mar 21 14:19:30 is there a way to cause the screen (vague term) to rotate from the command line? (n900/maemo5) Mar 21 14:20:45 I wish Mar 21 14:20:47 nvm Mar 21 14:21:09 hi Mar 21 14:21:14 anyone use syncml? Mar 21 14:23:30 E: Handler silently failed Mar 21 14:23:40 Nokia crippled apt? Mar 21 14:27:49 How's jingle+video on n900? Mar 21 14:32:45 MohammadAG, silently ? :D Mar 21 14:32:59 * noobmonk3y prods lcuk Mar 21 14:33:15 yo noobster Mar 21 14:33:18 you sober now? Mar 21 14:33:25 hey hey i have another QT query :D Mar 21 14:33:28 kinda Mar 21 14:33:31 feel a little tender Mar 21 14:33:57 * lcuk is trying to think about code also Mar 21 14:33:57 on listWidget can you set the height on each row to autosize? Mar 21 14:34:11 i dunno, #qt-maemo is thata way >> Mar 21 14:35:04 Hola Mar 21 14:35:22 me qt-maemo is silent :( Mar 21 14:35:34 Arif_, ... Mar 21 14:35:44 noobmonk3y, you dont exactly have much patience :) Mar 21 14:36:12 why not scour the extremely complete qt documentation on the class Mar 21 14:36:15 noobmonk3y: why not ask #qt Mar 21 14:36:19 lots of people in there Mar 21 14:36:27 lots of people in here too lol Mar 21 14:36:55 yeah sure :P Mar 21 14:36:58 SouBE, apt can't install any apps from ovi Mar 21 14:37:02 but many qt devs hang out over there. Mar 21 14:37:16 thinking about decrippling apt Mar 21 14:37:28 by building it from the debian source Mar 21 14:38:17 lcuk - patience with a hangover? Mar 21 14:38:17 lols Mar 21 14:38:45 allthough i come in these places, so i dont have to wait a week on the forums lol Mar 21 14:40:07 how do i change the password for when i ssh to the phone? Mar 21 14:40:27 become root Mar 21 14:40:33 passwd root Mar 21 14:40:36 passwd user Mar 21 14:40:43 whichever you ssh in as Mar 21 14:43:40 don't use password Mar 21 14:43:45 set up an ssh key and use it Mar 21 14:44:15 I purge ssh and reinstall it Mar 21 14:46:34 is it possible to install big games on the sd cards Mar 21 14:49:08 No Mar 21 14:49:35 Unless you format it into ext3 and move the files AFTER installation, then symlinking them Mar 21 14:49:44 it should be possible to setup a custom installer/launcher to do that Mar 21 14:49:54 doesnt the pandora have something similar Mar 21 14:50:09 not just for big games, for anything Mar 21 14:50:21 seems like a reasonable idea to me :) Mar 21 14:50:30 Has anybody navit running on the n900 reliably? Mar 21 14:50:56 lcuk, seriously thinking about installing maemo on the 32GB partition Mar 21 14:51:37 restoring apps using apt-get, screw HAM Mar 21 14:51:43 MohammadAG, good for you :) share the notes and changes and watch out for /opt strangeness Mar 21 14:51:51 why screw it? Mar 21 14:51:56 it integrates with backup Mar 21 14:51:56 installing all packages AFTER downloading them Mar 21 14:52:00 which is a benefit to most people Mar 21 14:52:11 extracted the package names from the backup Mar 21 14:52:43 /media/mmc1/backups/Backup/Root/var/lib/hilleafpadlication-manager# Mar 21 14:53:21 downloading one package and installing it then doing the same for other packages is slow Mar 21 14:53:36 apt downloads all packages then installs them Mar 21 14:53:49 meh not really worth breaking the gui for it ;) Mar 21 14:53:56 but academic for yourself sure Mar 21 14:54:09 didn't break the GUI Mar 21 14:54:15 i just didn't use it :) Mar 21 14:54:22 yeah but most people do Mar 21 14:54:28 lcuk, /opt should behave correctly Mar 21 14:54:44 if the whole root was moved to the 32GB partition Mar 21 14:55:27 if it's symlinked (/home/opt) it shouldn't really matter since it's sharing the same space Mar 21 14:57:14 so where would you point people wanting to start with qt and maemo? Mar 21 14:57:54 shouldnt you be the one to tell us? Mar 21 14:58:45 is there a way to stop hildon-desktop? Mar 21 14:59:19 Most of the core apps have watchdogs Mar 21 14:59:56 lcuk: i have holes in my knowledge too :P Mar 21 15:00:05 :D Mar 21 15:02:15 Stskeeps, i was just playing with some of the examples in qt Mar 21 15:02:30 seeing what works and what doesnt Mar 21 15:02:58 and how well they work mostly Mar 21 15:03:16 SpeedEvil, actually, dsmetool stops those core apps Mar 21 15:03:26 problem is, there's no way to switch apps Mar 21 15:06:16 lies, I switched off the device Mar 21 15:08:50 so much boiler plate in all the frameworks Mar 21 15:09:14 where can I find the personal menu Mar 21 15:09:14 in SOME not in all Mar 21 15:09:43 RST38h, yeah for some levels of things its lightweight Mar 21 15:10:31 * lcuk will have to make another generator for the stuff i use lots of Mar 21 15:10:37 any idea why the package cmt-firware-rx51 could land in a device? apt-cache show says "Do not put this in final products!!" Mar 21 15:10:50 MohammadAG_: stop dbus actually made my device reboot ;-P Mar 21 15:11:07 it is an alternative cellular firmware that sends sms on crashes Mar 21 15:11:45 HEH,gimmegimmegimme X-P Mar 21 15:11:46 i wonder which dependency pulled it in Mar 21 15:12:37 sounds freakin interesting Mar 21 15:13:33 generators are evil btw Mar 21 15:13:34 hey guys, n900 number 3 and I think we are all systems go! Mar 21 15:13:37 spliffy: update your maemo version Mar 21 15:13:39 of course RST38h Mar 21 15:13:44 spliffy: this is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7757 Mar 21 15:13:47 Bug 7757: wrong cmt-firmware-rx51 (cell modem) version in published firmware? Mar 21 15:13:49 oh, i see Mar 21 15:13:49 i make personal ones tied to me Mar 21 15:13:59 nidO, DocScrutinizer ^ Mar 21 15:14:01 C-S-B: \o/ Mar 21 15:14:13 3rd time lucky they say lol! Mar 21 15:14:23 Corsac: thanks :P it caught my attention when i issued an "apt-get dist-upgrade" Mar 21 15:14:48 C-S-B: you checked the serial# of those 3 devices? Mar 21 15:14:49 spliffy: the authorities are obviously out to get you Mar 21 15:14:49 DocScrutinizer, anywhere that needs my scrutiny in checking before I get too happy? Mar 21 15:15:08 C-S-B: not that I'm aware of Mar 21 15:15:08 whoa what happened!? I just opened xterm on the n900 and while it was opening, there were LSD-trip-like colors on the screen >.> Mar 21 15:15:09 I dont have the serial of the last two to hand. Mar 21 15:15:14 hehe Mar 21 15:15:53 Shapeshifter: change your dealer ;-P Mar 21 15:15:58 DocScrutinizer, I may have the first unit serial stuck in a cookie, and the last init on the back of this box Mar 21 15:16:08 lol DocScrutinizer Mar 21 15:17:49 i wonder who pays for the sms? Mar 21 15:18:00 you do Mar 21 15:18:07 thats no question Mar 21 15:18:12 yeah, dumb question Mar 21 15:18:15 of course you do Mar 21 15:19:04 grml... not nice.. that doesn't help building trust. but ... *sigh* we are all humans Mar 21 15:19:24 what trust? Mar 21 15:19:24 i believe Mar 21 15:19:38 trust in the os and it's manufacturer Mar 21 15:19:39 n900 supports GTK2, right? Mar 21 15:19:42 yes Mar 21 15:19:45 i have to trust it Mar 21 15:20:02 no you do not Mar 21 15:20:03 with all that data on it and all the possibilies Mar 21 15:20:08 so technically, you could make all linux open source games (if they are gtk) to n900? Mar 21 15:20:09 i do Mar 21 15:20:13 if i want to use it Mar 21 15:20:19 DocScrutinizer, i got a pretty vague reply with odd grammar to an email I sent to the nokia care team Mar 21 15:20:25 in case you care... Mar 21 15:20:49 anyhow I'm off for the min guys, its the cats birthday. Mar 21 15:22:15 does fring support skype videocalls? Mar 21 15:22:37 C-S-B: of course I care Mar 21 15:22:56 DocScrutinizer: damn some people can't run the new alarmed >.> that is so weird. I always test, and it works here but stuff doesn't work for them Mar 21 15:23:32 oh wait Mar 21 15:23:33 I know why Mar 21 15:23:35 xD Mar 21 15:23:36 crap. Mar 21 15:23:40 Shapeshifter: what means "can't run"? Mar 21 15:25:01 DocScrutinizer: meh, I changed something in the job file format and now it complains that it can't find a field when loading existing events. Mar 21 15:25:04 * Shapeshifter goes fixing. Mar 21 15:25:06 the issue. Mar 21 15:25:30 fix is 'rm .config' XP Mar 21 15:26:04 DocScrutinizer: I'll just make it backwards compatible Mar 21 15:26:37 largely considered overkill for apps in devel Mar 21 15:27:02 mhhh Mar 21 15:27:13 esp for highly dynamic data like alarm database Mar 21 15:27:41 bloats code for no good reason Mar 21 15:28:34 DocScrutinizer: mh you're right. But this _does_ tell me that I need to except this stuff in a more sane way. Pretty lame that it just doesn't start when a job file is "corrupt". Mar 21 15:28:54 yep Mar 21 15:29:00 that's true anyway Mar 21 15:30:00 seems you need to make using "try" a custom Mar 21 15:30:23 sure Mar 21 15:31:37 * DocScrutinizer drools over "date string" and "cron string" even showing up in GUI \o/ Mar 21 15:32:53 DocScrutinizer: well why not ;) Mar 21 15:33:46 anyone knows mooha? Mar 21 15:33:58 Shapeshifter: I'd strongly suggest to replace the annoying scroll-list for selecting type of action / type of period by a screen with 6 * 3 buttons Mar 21 15:34:44 DocScrutinizer: yeah I guess I should do that. It's just a QCombobox from Qt, and a combobox does behave in this way. If I make a widget with buttons I need to place them myself and stuff Mar 21 15:35:42 Shapeshifter: yep, it's more work of course Mar 21 15:36:08 Shapeshifter: but usability is classes apart from these friggin lists Mar 21 15:37:10 DocScrutinizer: yeah Mar 21 15:37:18 DocScrutinizer: dude on tmo said: "Installed, it doesn't start...even after a device reboot..." Mar 21 15:37:30 oh so often people seem to think that this is windows ;) Mar 21 15:37:32 anyway I *love* it. Mar 21 15:37:42 LOL Mar 21 15:38:28 * DocScrutinizer got the problem how to follow new posts on tmo ... ;-( Mar 21 15:38:31 man I really need to get some work done. 4pm already again >.< Mar 21 15:39:11 * DocScrutinizer is fed up to hit the F5 refresh on 50++ tabs/windows in browser - after few as 5 days Mar 21 15:40:05 forum definitely doesn't meet my working patterns Mar 21 15:40:30 DocScrutinizer: I don't follow them. I have a daily digest for "my" thread, other then that I occasionally look into the new-posts list but it's 90% rubbish anyway. Mar 21 15:40:48 what's segmentation fault? Mar 21 15:41:05 MohammadAG: you're kidding? Mar 21 15:41:26 i wouldn't be asking if i was :) Mar 21 15:41:42 MohammadAG: the app wanted to grab cookies from a jar that wasn't there and died of sorrow. Mar 21 15:41:42 breaking binarie due to pb during compilation Mar 21 15:42:08 MohammadAG: usually some non-initialized pointer tries to dereference a memory location not in the address space of the app Mar 21 15:42:16 personalisation_app outputs it Mar 21 15:45:04 MohammadAG: the memory allocation table of the app doesn't hold any entry for the address of the pointer, so the memory management unit rises an interrupt alarming kernel the app is acting nasty -> SIGSEGV Mar 21 15:45:56 MohammadAG: usually caused by logical coding errors Mar 21 15:46:07 ~lart app programmer Mar 21 15:46:22 ~ping Mar 21 15:46:32 Right who wants to advise me of the best way to put a build environment for my n900 on my comp. Mar 21 15:46:43 DocScrutinizer, so, it's nokia's fault? Mar 21 15:46:49 no Mar 21 15:46:54 it's the fault of the app that crashed Mar 21 15:46:57 C-S-B: 1) install linux, 2) download SDK, 3) run install script Mar 21 15:47:07 timeless_mbp, it's nokia's app... Mar 21 15:47:08 C-S-B: get a vm, use it Mar 21 15:47:12 I run linux anyway Mar 21 15:47:21 personalisation_app, the one that changes themes Mar 21 15:47:29 MohammadAG: install crash-reporter Mar 21 15:47:46 ok... Mar 21 15:47:52 should edit the wiki Mar 21 15:47:58 ? Mar 21 15:48:02 crashes happen Mar 21 15:48:08 optifying the /usr/share/themes dir does this Mar 21 15:48:48 hey peeps, I have a 64bit arch, how do I get the SDK on it? Mar 21 15:49:22 *It's Debian - arch stands for "architecture" not "Arch" Mar 21 15:49:39 needs bugzilla entry too... and then put the bugzilla link in the extra info box in crash-reporter Mar 21 15:50:20 is someone willing to confirm this? Mar 21 15:50:34 are you using nokia software to do this optification Mar 21 15:50:38 or are you doing it by hand? Mar 21 15:50:41 (that optification breaks it) Mar 21 15:50:43 by hand Mar 21 15:50:47 because if you're doing it by hand, then you're being stupdi Mar 21 15:50:52 thanks Mar 21 15:50:58 don't go blaming nokia for crashing when you do something that wasn't supported Mar 21 15:51:16 it's the wiki Mar 21 15:51:31 (i know it's user generated) Mar 21 15:51:33 wikii? Mar 21 15:53:35 silly question, is the gui installer the same as the sdk installer? Mar 21 15:53:47 http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html Mar 21 15:54:11 imho it's a good question.. i asked it myself earlier today Mar 21 15:54:23 C-S-B, yes, both install the SDK, but the GUI one is easier Mar 21 15:54:39 the GUI one runs the script during the install process Mar 21 15:54:41 Thanks, not very intuitive Mar 21 15:54:54 you would think the sdk installer installes the sdk and the gui installer installs a gui .. but what gui? :-) Mar 21 15:55:00 anyone knows if SYMBIAN OR MAEMO CAN SYNC NOTES? Mar 21 15:55:18 symbian can Mar 21 15:55:25 not sure about maemo Mar 21 15:56:03 symbian ca?? Mar 21 15:56:05 can?? Mar 21 15:56:31 you can sync notes with funambol Mar 21 15:56:33 i read that notes dont have a unique database Mar 21 15:56:38 in symbian Mar 21 15:56:38 or do you mean lotus notes_ Mar 21 15:56:45 no no notes from symbian Mar 21 15:56:58 i read that can write the db Mar 21 15:57:02 cant* Mar 21 15:57:30 notes on maemo are just .txt files Mar 21 15:57:32 or .html files Mar 21 15:57:37 so 'syncing' them is meaningless Mar 21 15:57:57 anyone here affiliated with crash-reporter ? Mar 21 15:57:59 afaik syncevolution can sync notes Mar 21 15:58:46 MohammadAG, you installed the sdk on ubunutu I'm getting errors, even after it d/ld some qt dependencies Mar 21 16:00:52 hello, Mar 21 16:00:55 timeless_mbp: it's not like you couldn't parse textfiles ... Mar 21 16:01:33 timeless_mbp, the format doesnt matter, syncing is getting data you have modified on the go lined up Mar 21 16:02:06 spliffy: imagine a file system w/ 30gb of data Mar 21 16:02:22 imagine you have 10,000 random .txt files strewn across that file system Mar 21 16:02:25 was anyone able to get garmin maps working with navit ? Mar 21 16:02:31 guys Mar 21 16:02:33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMwlchuqsXo Mar 21 16:02:35 timeless_mbp: i dont' know about you, but i don't have 30gb of notes Mar 21 16:02:36 timeless_mbp i try to sync my notes Mar 21 16:02:38 do you want the system to always recurse through the entire file system in search of those? Mar 21 16:02:40 and onlly have READ MODE Mar 21 16:02:41 how cool is that Mar 21 16:02:55 if i change the notes from server the client device (symbian) cant change the note Mar 21 16:03:04 wait , seems like its possible -- is the package in the repo. built with garmin map support ? Mar 21 16:03:07 technomike: describe Mar 21 16:03:08 only is one-way client->server Mar 21 16:03:21 joker_89: anyway, if you want to deal w/ notes that are synced, use the calendar's todo Mar 21 16:03:34 or tasks or whatever they're called Mar 21 16:03:51 spliffy: so you don't have 30gb of notes Mar 21 16:03:55 timeless_mbp i want to create a new notes application Mar 21 16:03:56 but you do have 30gb of data Mar 21 16:04:00 and your notes can be hidden anywhere Mar 21 16:04:07 and this notes have a db and have read/write for sync Mar 21 16:04:11 SpeedEvil - the video is MER on n900 with LXDE (Ubuntu mobile 9.04) Mar 21 16:04:12 its good idea? Mar 21 16:04:17 it works really well Mar 21 16:04:24 which means the system would have to hunt through all of your music collection in case you hid a note amongst it Mar 21 16:04:38 joker_89: given we have 5-10 other notes w/ db apps for our platform Mar 21 16:04:40 timeless_mbp: i don't see your point. the sync software only has to look at a specific location Mar 21 16:04:42 parse txt files? o.O Mar 21 16:04:42 it seems ostly stupid Mar 21 16:04:45 but have fun Mar 21 16:04:48 * DocScrutinizer points to rsync Mar 21 16:04:48 ostly Mar 21 16:05:00 s/ostly/mostly/ Mar 21 16:05:05 stupid? Mar 21 16:05:06 timeless_mbp, if it mattered you could just setup a tracker format Mar 21 16:05:09 it does all that anyway Mar 21 16:05:12 yes joker, Mar 21 16:05:14 spliffy: but the notes app doesn't just work on a specific location Mar 21 16:05:20 it's a text editor, not a notes app Mar 21 16:05:21 make a query to return the results from tracker Mar 21 16:05:34 technically its feasible Mar 21 16:05:35 if you started taking your notes in some other directory, you the annoying user would complain they weren't synced Mar 21 16:05:41 because that' what you, annoying users, do Mar 21 16:05:42 has anyone install the SDK on Lucid Lynx? Mar 21 16:06:09 im used to activesync on windows - i got to specify folders Mar 21 16:06:27 :/ Mar 21 16:06:49 * lcuk has actively considered syncing himself Mar 21 16:07:06 what's this EULA they want me to agree to? :-( Mar 21 16:07:18 for the SDK? access to use the nokia binaries and SGX libs Mar 21 16:07:24 spliffy: anyway, does this make sense? Mar 21 16:07:26 all things considered, it's fairly nicely worded Mar 21 16:07:29 timeless_mbp: an extremely braindamaged text editor though - missing a save-as function so you never can store a derivate version without destroying the original :-(( Mar 21 16:07:48 Stskeeps: why would I need to need that? Mar 21 16:07:48 DocScrutinizer: i didn't say it was clever Mar 21 16:08:01 paxcoder: cos you can't really run the GLES desktop otherwise Mar 21 16:08:10 and compile towards some of the closed libs Mar 21 16:08:21 * lcuk likes the idea of git for user data Mar 21 16:08:40 timeless_mbp: where do you configure the path where the notes get saved? i thought they are saved at a default location? Mar 21 16:09:01 timeless_mbp: at least i can't find the option atm Mar 21 16:09:04 Stskeeps: I still don't see why it's not free. Mar 21 16:09:13 on the topic: is there a howto about selecting the right category for tickets on trac? Mar 21 16:09:18 i am confused, spliffy waht are you asking? Mar 21 16:09:21 paxcoder: maemo isn't 100% open source Mar 21 16:09:21 spliffy: create a new note Mar 21 16:09:22 seems like my questions Mar 21 16:09:24 choose save Mar 21 16:09:27 it gives you a file picker Mar 21 16:09:31 it's the standard platform file picker Mar 21 16:09:43 Stskeeps: is it the graphics drivers or what? Mar 21 16:09:50 timeless_mbp: there is no save.. i just close the app and the note persists Mar 21 16:09:56 paxcoder: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html Mar 21 16:10:01 go read those to see where the pain points are Mar 21 16:10:03 spliffy: you should take a moment and learn how to use the platform Mar 21 16:10:08 i ask: i can create a notes database and set syncml to sync this new database? Mar 21 16:10:12 timeless_mbp: i guess we are talking about diefferent things Mar 21 16:10:12 step one. tap the window title to get the app "menu" Mar 21 16:10:16 no Mar 21 16:10:27 * MohammadAG needs an eye check as he sees the save option Mar 21 16:10:40 no for me or spliffy ? timeless_mbp Mar 21 16:10:41 spliffy, theres a yellow notes widget around Mar 21 16:10:42 MohammadAG: can you please lead spliffy to water? thanks Mar 21 16:10:52 it's by the tap Mar 21 16:10:52 and liqbase does what you describe but with sketches Mar 21 16:11:02 and theres a few of what yo uare thinking Mar 21 16:11:04 * tybollt need me a fat spliffy Mar 21 16:11:04 joker_89: i know nothing about syncml Mar 21 16:11:12 tap of the title bar :) Mar 21 16:11:13 share you smoke brother Mar 21 16:11:24 potheads++ Mar 21 16:11:27 lcuk: i use the notes 'app' in my calendar. didn't know about the widget Mar 21 16:11:37 spliffy: err Mar 21 16:11:39 cool Mar 21 16:11:45 that should be synced when you use calendar syncing Mar 21 16:11:47 spliffy, look at the get started app Mar 21 16:11:55 which means you're wasting *everyone's* time Mar 21 16:12:15 timeless_mbp: the quit talking to me and don't piss on my leg Mar 21 16:12:26 s/the/then/ Mar 21 16:12:38 Stskeeps: that looks awful. mozilla browser has 20% non-free dependencies what's up with that? Mar 21 16:12:58 well, libjpeg has neon-specific accelerations Mar 21 16:13:02 paxcoder: history Mar 21 16:13:02 that covers part of it Mar 21 16:13:10 the libjpeg is just stupid Mar 21 16:13:12 also, it's not 20% Mar 21 16:13:14 someone wanted the browser to go fast Mar 21 16:13:20 it's 20% of the source packages depending on a closed one Mar 21 16:14:05 it's not a very effective dependancy, as you can replace with a free libjpeg easily Mar 21 16:14:09 (click the link) Mar 21 16:14:11 libjpeg is not quite stupid. Mar 21 16:14:21 timeless_mbp, the loading bug report? that was me Mar 21 16:14:25 Coding 5MP jpegs isn't very fast Mar 21 16:14:37 And not using hte hw accel is silly if it's there Mar 21 16:14:44 takes about +5 secs to start loading Mar 21 16:14:57 loading jpegs using neon is also nicer Mar 21 16:15:27 timeless_mbp: Stskeeps: I don't see why it has anything to do with libjpeg (/usr/share/doc/libjpeg8/copyright is permissive) Mar 21 16:15:57 paxcoder: yes, and nokia's patches are closed source Mar 21 16:16:05 dumbassness. Mar 21 16:16:13 -> meego Mar 21 16:16:13 :P Mar 21 16:16:15 I hope Android is better... Mar 21 16:16:35 paxcoder: you don't need the optimization Mar 21 16:16:37 it's closed down more Mar 21 16:16:41 please don't waste time complaining about it Mar 21 16:16:55 the browser has real closed dependencies Mar 21 16:16:55 looks like I wont be getting the SDK soon... Mar 21 16:17:10 but you're missing the forest for a shrubbery Mar 21 16:17:16 and not even a nice shubbery Mar 21 16:17:42 if debian can run on N900 and have a free browser, maemo could too. Mar 21 16:17:59 Stskeeps: Meego will be completely free (or more)? Mar 21 16:18:04 it can, it won't. period Mar 21 16:18:24 paxcoder: minus bits like Neon accelleration, probably Mar 21 16:18:40 MohammadAG: unacceptable Mar 21 16:18:52 MohammadAG, what distro are you running? Mar 21 16:18:53 paxcoder: it will probably be: shared system amongst all devices free, hardware adaptation - kernel source fully free, but may be some closed parts, differentiation (apps, etc from hardware vendor) possibly closd Mar 21 16:18:56 sell the N900 then Mar 21 16:19:05 MohammadAG: nokia is. Mar 21 16:19:14 paxcoder: which is realistic unless you're an idealistic asshole :) Mar 21 16:19:15 paxcoder: you're encouraged to run Firefox for Mobile instead Mar 21 16:19:20 C-S-B, ubuntu 32bit on a 64 bit PC Mar 21 16:19:25 SpeedEvil, is what? Mar 21 16:19:46 Some of the UI of microb need ported into FF somehow Mar 21 16:19:50 MohammadAG: selling it Mar 21 16:19:54 Stskeeps: how do you coupled idealistic with asshole? Mar 21 16:19:59 SpeedEvil: eh? Mar 21 16:20:09 paxcoder: RMS Mar 21 16:20:18 * MohammadAG is confused Mar 21 16:20:20 MohammadAG, which version? Ive lucid on this comp and maemo sdk is not installing. I'm assuming its because of this. Mar 21 16:20:23 paxcoder: when people are being assholes about their idealistic ideas :P Mar 21 16:20:27 9.10 Mar 21 16:20:29 that "asshole" is the reason why free software is still alive Mar 21 16:20:39 or alive at all perhaps Mar 21 16:20:43 paxcoder: Indeed. Mar 21 16:20:48 paxcoder: Well - somewhat Mar 21 16:20:48 * Stskeeps goes code instead of arguing about licenses Mar 21 16:21:03 but is an asshole, perhaps perceived cause is because he's an idealist too. Mar 21 16:21:11 paxcoder: Opensource software was _very_ common before the IBM hardware/software splitup Mar 21 16:21:25 paxcoder: Nope - personal habits do it for me. Mar 21 16:22:05 opensource is 1998 term Mar 21 16:22:17 hildon-desktop can be reinstalled right? Mar 21 16:22:46 SpeedEvil: free software was very common when most of it existed in academic circles and was not monetized Mar 21 16:23:10 then it started to fall, but I think we (should) all know the story. Mar 21 16:23:26 Will look into MeeGo Mar 21 16:24:57 rebooting Mar 21 16:27:38 I am a student wanting to participate in the google summer of code with maemo, I have my own idea, does anyone think it would be good? Mar 21 16:27:53 mrlanrat: yes. Mar 21 16:28:00 * SpeedEvil uses his psychic powers. Mar 21 16:28:05 The idea is to implement a finger keyboard and stylus keyboard simulat to what os2007 had. Mar 21 16:28:15 but in maemo 4 and 5 Mar 21 16:28:38 *similar Mar 21 16:28:56 Never used it - why does it differ from the existing>/ Mar 21 16:30:34 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume_keyboard - may be of interest Mar 21 16:30:41 do you know what i am talking about? the keyboard in 06/07 would change size depending on whether or not you where using your stylus or finger. Mar 21 16:30:47 Though I really want this for the hw keyboard too. Mar 21 16:31:03 ah Mar 21 16:31:35 if the stylus was being used it would only take up about half of the screen, still allowing you to see what you are doing. Mar 21 16:32:04 I don't think there is a way to detect between finger and sylys magically on n900 Mar 21 16:32:22 Also - to do this right, you would need all applications to support window size changing. Mar 21 16:32:28 how did it wok on the 770 and n800? Mar 21 16:32:29 And they don't, and you don't have source. Mar 21 16:32:39 mrlanrat: some touchscreens have that functionality Mar 21 16:32:52 the keybord could appear as an overlay, not resizing the window. Mar 21 16:32:58 I don't know if this was the case for the 770 or not, or if it was simply a configurable Mar 21 16:33:06 mrlanrat: true. Mar 21 16:33:07 wow Mar 21 16:33:22 ptl: ? Mar 21 16:33:25 just ran freemind through java 2 se 1.6 for arm on the N900 Mar 21 16:33:28 ah Mar 21 16:33:31 it was even faster than in my desktop Mar 21 16:33:34 amazing. Mar 21 16:33:44 i know the 770 could do it automatically, i have one (somewhere) and iv seen the n800 do it too with 07 Mar 21 16:33:59 (i use my n810 now) Mar 21 16:34:15 Wouldn't it be possible to make the n900 use a smartboard? Mar 21 16:34:20 More screen keyboards would be good Mar 21 16:34:24 smartboard? Mar 21 16:34:34 http://smarttech.com/ Mar 21 16:34:37 what do you mean by more screen keyboards? Mar 21 16:34:50 I guess it's touchscreen keyboards. Mar 21 16:35:12 mrlanrat: For example - the above illume keyboard supporting the distance corrector Mar 21 16:35:30 For example - type 'dorrector' - and it automagically corrects it. Mar 21 16:35:33 I hate on-screen keyboard Mar 21 16:35:50 I prefer physical keyboards. Mar 21 16:35:51 ptl: It can be handy when using hte phone one-handed. Mar 21 16:36:05 ptl: Gotta gree. I hate when I can't know if I do hit the button or not. Mar 21 16:36:07 that was not the goal to my idea, and maemo already has word guessing built in. Mar 21 16:36:26 mrlanrat: no, it doesn't quite. Mar 21 16:36:39 mrlanrat: it has predictive guessing - byt not prior correction. Mar 21 16:36:50 soeedecil: true Mar 21 16:36:57 *speedevil Mar 21 16:36:57 For example - I'm never, ever going to type 'byt' intentionally. Mar 21 16:36:59 hmm Mar 21 16:37:06 well - apart from then. Mar 21 16:37:07 :) Mar 21 16:37:39 so, you suggest adding an inline spelling correction? Mar 21 16:38:16 yes. Mar 21 16:38:23 Not spelling - typo Mar 21 16:38:52 hmm, interesting Mar 21 16:39:05 but everything would need to be predefined in a dictonary Mar 21 16:39:23 Sure. There are frequency dictionalris available Mar 21 16:39:37 Even the top thousand words will catch lots of errors Mar 21 16:39:56 well, i actually like the idea. However I have no idea how that would be implemented into maemo Mar 21 16:40:08 Me neither. Mar 21 16:40:16 anyone else know? Mar 21 16:40:30 This is an opensource part of the interface however Mar 21 16:40:35 As I understand it. Mar 21 16:42:12 well, there might be a way we could add it to the word completion/suggestion that is already in place. Mar 21 16:42:24 Perhaps. Mar 21 16:42:36 but then it would be more like a spelling corector; which would still be nice. Mar 21 16:42:41 *corrector Mar 21 16:43:06 the n800 does not have an rtc chip? that is lame Mar 21 16:43:22 I get a clock reset in every boot Mar 21 16:43:44 mortal: is it an older device? Mar 21 16:44:07 maybe Mar 21 16:44:35 actually - is that even if the main battery has been in and charged? Mar 21 16:44:51 I think so Mar 21 16:47:19 TypeError: QWizardPage.registerField(QString, QWidget, str property=None, SIGNAL() changedSignal=0): argument 4 has unexpected type 'str' Mar 21 16:47:19 QProcess: Destroyed while process is still running. Mar 21 16:47:29 Am I missing something... Mar 21 16:49:04 where is the personal menu located? I can setup the apps Mar 21 16:49:08 but where is the menu Mar 21 16:51:59 Yo Mar 21 16:59:24 Afternoon, all Mar 21 16:59:32 morn Mar 21 17:00:31 * ccooke_ is playing around with a way to reduce the bandwidth and processing all his IM networks use up Mar 21 17:01:28 hmhm, once portrait mode is ok, I kind-of wonder why it would be possible to rotate in all 4 directions, so it could be possible to correctly dial with the phone pluged, stuff like that Mar 21 17:01:51 Corsac: that would be good Mar 21 17:03:23 if portrait ever comes Mar 21 17:05:16 can't portrait be implemented through xrandr? Mar 21 17:05:44 hey, does anyone know if i can find FiSH encryption for xchat or irssi or any other irc-client for the N900 Mar 21 17:05:56 you'd just tell X to use the X axe as Y and vice-versa Mar 21 17:06:10 i had a look around and didnt find anything for xchat or irssi Mar 21 17:07:56 how do I force an ntp update on n800 Mar 21 17:10:36 i would like my update please Mar 21 17:10:39 :) Mar 21 17:10:42 la? Mar 21 17:11:19 Hello hello Mar 21 17:11:27 Seems to be some news on the PR 1.2 Mar 21 17:11:47 new on the PR1.2? where? Mar 21 17:11:47 gimme gimme gimme Mar 21 17:11:58 whats this said new on PR 1.2? Mar 21 17:13:04 i am checking atm, i will post a link. not sure it is so "official" as i hoped though. Mar 21 17:13:18 :( Mar 21 17:13:18 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42285&page=31 Mar 21 17:13:19 if it's in the forums, it's all idle speculation Mar 21 17:13:25 yeah, it is in the forum. Mar 21 17:13:37 but seems like it is something confirmed as well there on page 31. Mar 21 17:14:18 nothing is confirmed in advance :D Mar 21 17:14:25 only that Qt 4.6 is coming Mar 21 17:14:55 yeh but QT has bin confirmed for quite some time Mar 21 17:15:23 hello, internets! Mar 21 17:15:38 for no apparent reason last night tho i got a MASSIVE performance boost, and the UI became smaller and more stable... :S Mar 21 17:15:39 so i was a bit hasty there, sorry guys Mar 21 17:16:09 i think we're all a bit hasty when it comes to PR1.2 speculation Mar 21 17:16:34 alden: hi Mar 21 17:16:35 lol Mar 21 17:16:39 what are your preferred ways of transferring files to the N900 over wifi? is there an FTP server for maemo out there or something? Mar 21 17:17:05 Funnyfacemob: i use a own server if someone borrows and then download with the N900 with the web browser. Mar 21 17:17:09 i use scp Mar 21 17:17:15 i just connect it to my pc... hahahah Mar 21 17:17:19 or sshfs Mar 21 17:17:21 Funnyfacemob, mm? ssh has all the answers Mar 21 17:17:22 Funnyfacemob: there is dumbftpd Mar 21 17:17:47 it's faster than ssh Mar 21 17:18:07 good if you need to transfer huge amounts of data Mar 21 17:18:09 yes that works well for a single file etc. Mar 21 17:18:32 ssh is ok for many files also since you can use a good ftp client Mar 21 17:18:42 as for SSH, not all OSes support that out of the box Mar 21 17:18:54 it has an (s)ftp subsystem Mar 21 17:19:16 the only advantage of dumbftpd is speed imho Mar 21 17:20:45 http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/03/500x_for_traffic_cameras.jpg Mar 21 17:20:45 and you can use it if you can't modify the client and it has no sftp client. true Mar 21 17:20:48 Priceless Mar 21 17:21:09 i think we need some more speclulatory talk Mar 21 17:21:21 really? you think so? Mar 21 17:21:27 well, I think ftp is one of the better ways to go if I want it to work with all OSes, because most OSes have some sort of built in FTP browser that integrates with the desktop so you can drag and drop files etc.. :P Mar 21 17:21:47 lol RST38h Mar 21 17:22:07 blwthompson: swallow this then: there is a rumor from nokia that the meego device will operate under palmos ui! Mar 21 17:22:28 Funnyfacemob: anyway, it's good to have them both :) Mar 21 17:22:49 well sure :) Mar 21 17:22:51 niffty Mar 21 17:23:03 im just hoping the new device is good Mar 21 17:23:25 blwthompson: of course it will be mighty good, flexible oled screen with capacitive touch screen Mar 21 17:23:35 blwthompson: builtin headphones Mar 21 17:23:53 blwthompson: run to talk.maemo.org and tell them the news, quick Mar 21 17:23:58 RST38h: Warp capibilities? Mar 21 17:24:07 blwthompson: no, that would be too much =) Mar 21 17:24:24 blwthompson, they couldnt work out how to make a device without nacells Mar 21 17:24:29 blwthompson: tell them you have heard it here on irc, you will get lots of thanks karma Mar 21 17:24:34 but how am i meant to attain perfection with the borg queen w/o Warp? Mar 21 17:24:59 lcuk: i already modded my N900 with nacells Mar 21 17:24:59 you could use one of the new bluetooth warp cores Mar 21 17:25:07 can only reach warp 2 Mar 21 17:25:10 :( Mar 21 17:25:16 thats ok Mar 21 17:25:37 will the new device support multiple bluetooth nacells? Mar 21 17:25:52 i think so, but the battery life will be sufficiently reduces Mar 21 17:25:52 d Mar 21 17:26:01 RST38h: i also lol at that link Mar 21 17:26:02 that is nacelles, not nacells Mar 21 17:26:06 you owuld need one of the mr fusion models Mar 21 17:26:10 RST38h, sorry! Mar 21 17:26:23 indeed, but surely that would jack up the prices a bit Mar 21 17:26:25 :( Mar 21 17:26:35 you pay for the best Mar 21 17:26:52 knowing nokia the OS would be slightly lacking Mar 21 17:27:07 well its linux, so really that comes back to you Mar 21 17:27:08 no UI for intergalactic travel Mar 21 17:29:02 i require more vespane gas Mar 21 17:30:03 hey, does anyone know if i can find FiSH encryption for xchat or irssi or any other irc-client for the N900? Mar 21 17:37:01 Griggs: i have never seen fish on arm architecture:-) Mar 21 17:37:15 :/ Mar 21 17:37:22 im kind of a newb with nix distros Mar 21 17:37:29 but is it possible to compile it yourself? Mar 21 17:37:38 if you have the source file or whatever Mar 21 17:37:38 hmm Mar 21 17:37:58 check the fish source Mar 21 17:38:08 the source is available here: http://fish.secure.la/ Mar 21 17:39:24 FiSH-XChat.v0.98-source.zip Mar 21 17:39:41 would that be the file i need to somehow compile to fit the arm architecture? Mar 21 17:41:00 wb TomaszD Mar 21 17:41:10 fish for irssi uses ancient glib and irssi Mar 21 17:41:12 moo Mar 21 17:42:39 a website where the menu links on the top require javascript is fail Mar 21 17:42:39 and why bother with fish, if most irc networks permit ssl connections? Mar 21 17:43:46 Griggs: is that plugin in C? Mar 21 17:43:49 arachnist: fish allows a crypted channel in a public network Mar 21 17:44:00 is that even a plugin? Mar 21 17:44:47 so you can chat on an untrusted irc server Mar 21 17:44:48 as long its well written it should compile on arm to .. if not, dont bother, the programmer who dont know how to write portable software shouldnt do security things either Mar 21 17:45:19 ssl solves an other problem Mar 21 17:46:16 gcc -std=gnu99 $(CFLAGS) $(LDFLAGS) -Wl,--export-dynamic -Wall -Os -shared -fPIC maemo_notify.c -o maemo_notify.so Mar 21 17:46:16 ... hint for compiling on arm (well the same as on other linux systems) Mar 21 17:46:21 their source hardcodes paths to required libraries/header files Mar 21 17:46:29 s/source/build system/ Mar 21 17:46:59 well .. fix it then .. i dont care :P Mar 21 17:47:17 i dont even bother to download and look at it Mar 21 17:47:45 arachnist, its not really up to me Mar 21 17:47:55 some of the channels i chat on have fish encryption enabled Mar 21 17:47:59 but compiling well written xchat plugins on the sdk is straightforward Mar 21 17:48:02 and i need it to see what they are writing Mar 21 17:48:25 but i have no clue on how to go about getting that to work for my N900 Mar 21 17:48:46 do i need to compile it on the actual N900 for it to work or is there any way to do it on my pc and move it over? Mar 21 17:49:02 install the sdk and compile it there Mar 21 17:49:13 but be prepared that this needs some experience and time Mar 21 17:49:28 yet alone installing the sdk needs some GB diskspace and some time Mar 21 17:49:38 hmm out Mar 21 17:49:42 sounds like im in over my head then Mar 21 17:49:56 i guess ill just wait for someone with more skills to bother get fish working for N900 Mar 21 17:50:06 since i have no clue what im doing compiling linux stuff Mar 21 17:50:14 well maybe as on t.m.o if anyone else would do it .. i may try later but have no time now Mar 21 17:50:15 i'm going to try to compile it on my arm toy Mar 21 17:50:17 Griggs: the shell? Mar 21 17:50:42 ah "fish encryption"... nvm Mar 21 17:50:51 (a little bit faster than N900 and already has all of the headers and compilers and whatsoever) Mar 21 17:51:03 .. compiling it is not that hard when it works and you have the SDK installed Mar 21 17:51:09 if anyone wants to give it a try the sources for xchat and irssi fish are here http://fish.secure.la/ Mar 21 17:51:18 but i smell problems with such code and i am not after fixing them :P Mar 21 17:51:23 either will do Mar 21 17:51:34 or anything that has a client that works on the N900 tbh Mar 21 17:53:22 Griggs: you'll have no luck Mar 21 17:53:47 Griggs: the miracl encryption library hardcodes x86 asm instruction in its source Mar 21 17:54:00 okay... Mar 21 17:54:03 im guessing thats bad? Mar 21 17:54:13 you could ssh your traffic to irc? Mar 21 17:54:36 C-S-B: doesn't help, he needs to decrypt fish (:D) traffic Mar 21 17:54:39 yeah the point of fish encryption is to hide what you are talking about from nosy ircops Mar 21 17:54:47 it encrypts the actual text in the channel Mar 21 17:54:55 so ppl that dont have the password cant see what is being said Mar 21 17:55:40 Griggs: that means that a: it is impossible to compile/run it outside of junky x86 hardware Mar 21 17:55:48 s/a: // Mar 21 17:55:49 arachnist meant: Griggs: that means that it is impossible to compile/run it outside of junky x86 hardware Mar 21 17:55:56 Griggs: well - if it hardcodes a different processors instructions - you need to rewrite that algorithm in eitehr assembler for your new arch - or rewruite a protable library Mar 21 17:56:10 also - qemu Mar 21 17:56:22 okay Mar 21 17:56:29 as i suspected im in way over my head Mar 21 17:57:08 there are better solutions to "nosy ircops" problem. for example, running your own network Mar 21 17:57:10 Or convince someone to do so. Mar 21 17:57:52 arachnist: true but there are situations where this isn't possible. reality is an asshole Mar 21 17:58:06 yeah Mar 21 17:58:10 its not really up to me Mar 21 17:58:19 if i want to chat in those channels that use that i have to use it Mar 21 17:58:24 even tho its stupid Mar 21 17:58:41 and both the miracl library and the FiSH source make me want to puke :/ Mar 21 18:00:20 Griggs: you might try running irssi with FiSH enabled on some compatible hardware, load the irssi-proxy module there and connect to that irssi using xchat on the n900 Mar 21 18:00:41 (irssi-proxy acts like a BNC software, but is just a plugin for irssi) Mar 21 18:01:36 hmm Mar 21 18:01:48 so basically i would need a server up 24/7 running irssi with some module? Mar 21 18:01:59 with 2 modules actually Mar 21 18:02:09 heh okay Mar 21 18:02:11 one's the FiSH and the other's irssi-proxy Mar 21 18:02:44 yeah i guess Mar 21 18:02:48 sounds like too much work tho Mar 21 18:02:53 and i dont really have a server Mar 21 18:03:03 if i did i would probably just vnc to it Mar 21 18:03:07 from my N900 Mar 21 18:03:09 and that's assuming that the irssi-proxy will get the decrypted text from FiSH, instead of passing the encrypted stuff to the other client Mar 21 18:03:29 and run the irc client on the server Mar 21 18:03:31 vnc? what for. for servers all you need is ssh Mar 21 18:03:59 can i get a remote desktop that way? Mar 21 18:04:10 i just figured since there is a vnc client for the n900 Mar 21 18:04:19 could be a easy way to solve it, if i had a server that is Mar 21 18:04:23 ssh is a way to run cli apps (like the irssi irc client) over network Mar 21 18:04:28 remote desktop to the server that runs irc and some other stuff Mar 21 18:04:32 no, you need vnc/rdp for remote desktop Mar 21 18:04:43 the implication was that one does not have graphical stuff on servers Mar 21 18:05:03 and for N900 there are ssh, rdesktop and vnc clients Mar 21 18:06:17 basically it's like that: you have a windows server, you use vnc/rdp. linux server -> ssh Mar 21 18:08:37 what a kinky idea nayway to use a protocol and infrastruct like IRC to implement a point-to-point encrypted communication - *uarrghh* Mar 21 18:09:35 incredible Mar 21 18:09:36 well, FiSH looks like a bad solution to a nonexistant problem. and badly written at that Mar 21 18:09:37 what? ssl vpn? Mar 21 18:10:39 DocScrutinizer: I recall this sort of thing being in use in ~1990 Mar 21 18:12:44 any sane irc admin will kick those chan off his server without asking Mar 21 18:13:04 arachnist: you don't see the problem. that doesn't mean it doesn't exist Mar 21 18:15:08 spliffy: it's like inventing a method to leave encrypted notes for exactly one recipient at the university's blackboard Mar 21 18:16:06 DocScrutinizer: it works for a channel not only p2p Mar 21 18:16:43 well, nosy ircops is not a real problem. you can run your own network which would only permit ssl-encrypted connections using only trusted keys Mar 21 18:16:52 it's really not that hard Mar 21 18:17:15 let me put it that way: If I want to have a private talk to somebody, I won't use a megaphone and think about a kinky code for my words Mar 21 18:17:20 and oh, it happens to be supported by just about every real irc client Mar 21 18:18:05 ssl irc is decrypted at the server and processed unencrypted Mar 21 18:18:28 so what? Mar 21 18:18:38 ShadowJK: who cares, if you're the one running the irc server? Mar 21 18:18:49 yeah you could run your own server, but the point is you don't need to Mar 21 18:18:59 it's obviously fine if you trust the server :) Mar 21 18:19:42 it's an idiotic concept to bring privacy to a medium designed for public speech Mar 21 18:20:06 there is OTR for irc Mar 21 18:20:16 and iirc it was ported to maemo Mar 21 18:20:55 DocScrutinizer: everyoen knows SSL IRC is just to bypass firewalls Mar 21 18:21:06 DocScrutinizer, a medium favoured for coordination by all the borderline legal and outright illegal groups on the internet ;) Mar 21 18:21:26 ShadowJK: i alone have at least two boxes which i trust. one's running linux with rsbac patched kernel and only a few people have access to it and the other is a freebsd box, to which only i have access Mar 21 18:21:26 to bypass stupid firewalls. Mar 21 18:21:43 luke-jr: oh I thought it was for avoiding man-in-middle packet sniffing Mar 21 18:21:59 whatever. i don't use it anymore but i am thankful that it exists Mar 21 18:22:41 but the real secuirty comes from nobody having a clever way to mine out relevant stuff from irc yet ;p Mar 21 18:22:57 ShadowJK: yes, I'm going to sniff #Maemo convos rather than /j and lurk Mar 21 18:23:35 The SDK installs from the shell scripts on lucid btw guys, the python fails Mar 21 18:23:40 ShadowJK: you're claiming that there actually is relevant stuff on irc! :> Mar 21 18:24:27 spliffy: btw you claim it works for one-to-many as well ("in a channel"). That's virtually impossible to implement correctly, thinking along a line of using a sane PKI Mar 21 18:24:44 luke-jr: it's true that infiltration has been more effective than wiretapping :) Mar 21 18:25:18 spliffy: and as soon as you use a shared common sercret, it's doomed (aka flawed) from beginning Mar 21 18:26:22 SSL isn't shared secret Mar 21 18:26:39 luke-jr: no, I never claimed it is Mar 21 18:27:17 any ideas for my curriculum? http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/chores/table2.html Mar 21 18:27:39 note it's by age, not grade level Mar 21 18:27:42 * ioeee saluda o/ Mar 21 18:27:45 luke-jr: but shared secret is the only way to implement one-to-many encryption in such a scenario Mar 21 18:30:09 you could, in theory, generate a public/private key pair for every participant and encrypt each message with each pair and send messages encrypted with proper keys to the right people and so on... and then your server crashes under load Mar 21 18:30:40 arachnist: doesn't FreeNode do that more or less? Mar 21 18:30:50 if everyone has SSL enabled Mar 21 18:30:59 arachnist: [2010-03-21 19:24:26] spliffy: btw you claim it works for one-to-many as well ("in a channel"). That's virtually impossible to implement correctly, thinking along a line of using a sane PKI Mar 21 18:31:12 Sender encrypts to his FN server; the FN server encrypts to each recipient Mar 21 18:32:08 luke-jr: the hub in SSL is the IRC server. The hub in what arachnist sketched is your client Mar 21 18:32:24 hmh, does fremantle support smb browsing? Mar 21 18:33:09 hmm, seem to remember a shout "hooray it even does browsing" Mar 21 18:33:16 with the cifs pack Mar 21 18:33:48 ...even in the hildon filemanager Mar 21 18:34:15 odds are I'm mistaken Mar 21 18:35:51 is the stuff written on stdout by widgets logged somewhere? Mar 21 18:36:16 usually not Mar 21 18:36:52 uhm, but can I start it and then see what it prints? Mar 21 18:37:33 sure Mar 21 18:37:45 just start from xterm Mar 21 18:37:55 how do i start a widget that way? Mar 21 18:39:49 X Terminal: 'hildon-application-manager' Mar 21 18:40:16 s/HAM/ Mar 21 18:41:02 err, sorry. missed the widget part Mar 21 18:41:36 uhhmm... so? it can't be done? Mar 21 18:42:02 I dunno who's starting the widgets and in which way Mar 21 18:42:41 i'm wondering why the notes application does not trigger my inotify listener ... and i don't have that application in scratchbox Mar 21 18:47:25 simoneb_, change your printfs to write to a file Mar 21 18:47:54 afaik you owuld have to restart the desktop in a visible console to see the debug output Mar 21 18:48:04 so just write to file Mar 21 18:52:11 i was too lazy to do that Mar 21 18:58:13 redirect stdout, on startup? Mar 21 19:09:04 ~botsnack Mar 21 19:09:04 DocScrutinizer: :) Mar 21 19:43:04 I'm trying to compile something in the SDK, and I'm stuck at ./configure beacuse it cant find python 2.4 or greater . But I do have python 2.5 found this : http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/FAQ Mar 21 19:43:55 thats about running your python scripts and debian packaging Mar 21 19:44:16 but I'm just trying to run configure here, can anyone explain to me? :) Mar 21 19:44:53 hey guys, i just bought an n900 off someone on ebay, he shipped it to me with all his contacts and settings and files still on it. I read that to restore completely to factory settings i can flash the firmware and then the emmc, but it says not to boot back into the n900 between flashing the firmware and the emmc, however i did the firmware flashing and when it finished it has automatically rebooted into the phone, shou Mar 21 19:45:15 matthewbpt: you got cut off at 'shou' Mar 21 19:45:56 should i turn it off and flash the emmc anyway? what to do? Mar 21 19:46:09 that would be a very long sentence if you were standing next to us in real life Mar 21 19:46:13 it should come up at the configure screen, just reboot it Mar 21 19:46:41 nothing bad will happen (eg it wont restore backups from emmc until after you configure it all) Mar 21 19:46:51 if backups even exist Mar 21 19:46:53 hey, does anyone know of any app that has the same functionality as dropbox but that runs on the N900? Mar 21 19:48:43 matthewbpt, flash emmc first, then the rootfs image :) Mar 21 19:50:15 cool thanx :) Mar 21 19:59:54 I'm trying to install the sdk, and the install script dies with: "awk: fatal: could not find groups: Invalid argument" Enyone else encouter this? Mar 21 20:02:20 done! awesome thanks guys Mar 21 20:07:26 ok weird, on rebooting it its not detecting my simcard anymore Mar 21 20:08:21 it detected it fine befpre Mar 21 20:08:25 before* Mar 21 20:09:34 you got the latest version right? Mar 21 20:10:53 is the week 51 the latest one? Mar 21 20:11:26 whoops i got the wrong one... Mar 21 20:12:34 ill flash it again with the right one, pr1.1.1 Mar 21 20:15:09 hey, does anyone know of any app that has the same functionality as dropbox but that runs on the N900? Mar 21 20:17:35 HOLA Mar 21 20:18:05 morning Mar 21 20:24:50 ok weird, on rebooting it its not detecting my simcard anymore Mar 21 20:24:56 happens to me, I just readjust the SIM Mar 21 20:25:10 could be a loose sim hatch Mar 21 20:29:37 RST38h, did you do something to scrolling on xchat - or I just found it. Mar 21 20:30:24 (select some text, including the top or bottom of the screen, and it carries omn scrolling. Mar 21 20:30:36 N900evil, was it updated? Mar 21 20:30:48 N900evil, same as in desktop version, nothing new Mar 21 20:32:43 Aren't sure Mar 21 20:32:46 Don't think so Mar 21 20:32:53 I just discovered it Mar 21 20:40:58 ~curse idealists on meego-dev ML Mar 21 20:40:59 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, idealists on meego-dev ML ! Mar 21 20:41:26 Oh gawd Mar 21 20:41:36 I hope I can get the english n900 layout in Denmark. Mar 21 20:41:55 The UP key requires Fn on the danish layout Mar 21 20:42:22 marcus_: same in alsmost any place on the world except uk and netherlands Mar 21 20:42:44 Shapeshifter: It's not. We have got the Mar 21 20:42:49 marcus_: I thought it was really stupid as well, but now I don't _really_ mind. though you can switch the keyboard loayout without a porblem Mar 21 20:42:59 Oh, in that way Mar 21 20:43:16 Are you using the keyboard? Mar 21 20:43:16 and you can buy a new hardware keypad if you like. there are few suppliers but they exist Mar 21 20:43:24 no, but I have äöü Mar 21 20:43:31 Oh I see. So you havent got an up key? Mar 21 20:43:33 they're all the same, only two directional keys. Mar 21 20:43:36 yeah Mar 21 20:43:38 bye Mar 21 20:43:44 lo alls :D Mar 21 20:44:03 Shapeshifter: Isnt it annoying? Have you edited it, so the is UP? Mar 21 20:44:03 anyone know why when you test led patterns, only some of them work? (Using dbus) Mar 21 20:45:05 marcus_: nah as I said I don't really mind. I mind less, then I thought I would before I got it. Also, in games, well, emulators, you'll change the keys anyway. So the only place where I regularly use UP is in the terminal Mar 21 20:45:11 other than that, I rarely use it. Mar 21 20:45:25 Shapeshifter: Yeah, my worry was about the emulators etc Mar 21 20:45:51 marcus_: most of them set keys themselves anyway Mar 21 20:50:38 I can use the n900 without 3g, right? Mar 21 20:50:47 marcus_: sure Mar 21 20:50:53 right, but agps is a bit shitty without Mar 21 20:51:54 oo Mar 21 20:51:55 4 updates Mar 21 20:52:13 there should really be changelogs in these things Mar 21 20:52:23 yo Mar 21 20:53:05 and a list of files (FQN. size) Mar 21 20:53:18 lol Mar 21 20:53:21 evenin ;) Mar 21 20:53:59 ohai Mar 21 20:53:59 :D Mar 21 20:54:39 :D Mar 21 20:56:09 * Shapeshifter didn't know about tracker Mar 21 20:56:23 what a name, even. "tracker". Mar 21 20:56:37 frecker Mar 21 20:57:51 * noobmonk3y doesnt like LED's..... Mar 21 20:58:10 LEDs ftw Mar 21 20:58:15 noobmonk3y: heresy! Mar 21 20:58:22 lol ;) Mar 21 20:58:34 its not that i hate them, just dislike them when they dont work Mar 21 20:58:47 outright idiocy. This tracker fregger should be a function of mediaplayer for user to trigger deliberately, with a clearly specified goal/task/path/younameit Mar 21 21:00:12 fucksocks....... Mar 21 21:00:17 figure out why.... Mar 21 21:00:25 bah Mar 21 21:00:31 ipod nano Mar 21 21:00:33 some only work when the screen is off...... hmmmm Mar 21 21:00:42 now how to turn the screen off in pyqt lol Mar 21 21:02:43 s/ipod nano/ such a concept (tracker) might be appropriate for a dedicated MP3player. For sure it's a complete fail on a palmtop linux computer that can play media incidentally Mar 21 21:03:51 maybe you play media incidentally Mar 21 21:03:53 ;P Mar 21 21:04:19 ? Mar 21 21:04:55 DocScrutinizer51: I was referring to the tracker search indexer on the n900 Mar 21 21:05:11 Shapeshifter: me too Mar 21 21:05:50 DocScrutinizer51: are you saying that it's scanning media tags for nothing? Mar 21 21:06:01 or is there a beagle/spotlight alike function of tracker as welll? Mar 21 21:06:02 It's not just for media, if I got this right. Mar 21 21:06:27 well, it's for anything. there are modules for media metadata but it appears that it's sort of a - yeah, beagle, strigi sort of indexer Mar 21 21:07:08 * Shapeshifter would like to participate in gsoc with maemo. And one of the proposals is desktop search. Mar 21 21:07:40 duh, so how ould I use those amazing index hits for e.g. a pertnumber of a component? Mar 21 21:08:26 DocScrutinizer51: what component? Mar 21 21:08:51 I honestly doubt indexer doesw anything beyond media file indexing Mar 21 21:09:52 DocScrutinizer51: http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/documentation.html Mar 21 21:10:16 there's even a tracker search tool and gnome "search bar" which uses tracker Mar 21 21:10:22 gnome.org ??? o.O Mar 21 21:10:43 yeah Mar 21 21:10:52 tracker is a gnome project Mar 21 21:11:03 so where's that great searchtool on aemo? Mar 21 21:11:09 now, I don't like gnome in particular as a DE, but this doesn't seem so bad, imo http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/features.html Mar 21 21:11:14 DocScrutinizer51: nowhere. that's the proposal Mar 21 21:11:26 And I'm kinda hoping I can write it ;) Mar 21 21:11:30 screw it Mar 21 21:11:38 lol Mar 21 21:11:56 hmm Mar 21 21:12:09 I read somewhere the medıa player wıll be open for plugıns ın pr1.2 Mar 21 21:12:13 what does this mean for us :D Mar 21 21:12:30 isn't it already? Mar 21 21:12:41 well, for now I keep to be convinced tracker is any good for anything Mar 21 21:12:55 there's going to be a UI for it now Stskeeps afaict Mar 21 21:12:56 for additional codecs yes Mar 21 21:13:02 display plugins AFAIK not Mar 21 21:13:17 could this be used to create a "share" option in the media player Mar 21 21:13:17 xD Mar 21 21:13:26 additional codecs get plugged through gstreamer, not mafw Mar 21 21:13:45 this is possibly for some sort of a UI for last.fm, I hope Mar 21 21:13:46 ~nuke gnome Mar 21 21:13:47 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at gnome ... B☢☢M! Mar 21 21:14:09 * Shapeshifter hugs utf8 Mar 21 21:14:27 hehe xchat fail Mar 21 21:14:30 * Arif_ encodes Shapeshifter Mar 21 21:14:30 hi guys, am looking to make a mpd client homescreen, widget for it states on the qt4/hildon wiki to use osso, i thought this wasn't required with qt4? or is this special to being a widget? Mar 21 21:17:23 find / -name 'g*' -exec 'rm -f {}' Mar 21 21:20:49 gconftool = regedit32's debile younger brother Mar 21 21:24:34 gnome philosophy: let's try to be as good as windows - bleeerrrgh Mar 21 21:25:17 ubuntu : no comment, see XKCD Mar 21 21:39:28 does it take force to remove the charger (more than the USB cable)? Mar 21 21:39:33 just noticed it Mar 21 21:46:56 re Hi all Mar 21 21:48:48 the javises are great :) Mar 21 21:51:31 pupnik: javises? Mar 21 21:54:54 two guys from barcelona. made drnoksnes and picodrive for maemo Mar 21 21:55:24 was drnoksnes just ripped from code for pandora port Mar 21 21:55:26 ? Mar 21 21:59:20 javispedro and who else? Mar 21 22:05:24 DocScrutinizer: yeah who came up with the idea of gconf anyway >.> Mar 21 22:05:33 what's the point. what is wrong with files for gods sake. Mar 21 22:05:58 ~seen Archanamiya Mar 21 22:05:58 XDG ftw Mar 21 22:06:00 windoze fanboiz? Mar 21 22:06:04 archanamiya was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 65d 2h 30m 52s ago, saying: 'bye all'. Mar 21 22:06:07 Shapeshifter, i guess the people that got used to registry Mar 21 22:06:30 hmm Mar 21 22:06:41 ~seen xnt14 Mar 21 22:06:43 xnt14 <~xnt@pool-71-251-0-157.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 24d 4h 5m 33s ago, saying: 'how do I stop all hildon-desktop services? /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop doesn't seem to kill widgets and the menubar.'. Mar 21 22:06:55 well it IS an nifty way to go thru all settings Mar 21 22:09:11 red: duh? Mar 21 22:09:33 kynky: from the gp2x drpocketsnes. needed new sound backend, graphics rendering and gui Mar 21 22:09:47 red, javicq Mar 21 22:10:02 pupnik, thats the one Mar 21 22:11:47 red: what the hell is "go thru all settings"? find /etc -name "*.cfg" -exec "less {} ;" ? or what Mar 21 22:19:06 hi Mar 21 22:19:37 is this the correct place to ask a couple of questions about the n900? Mar 21 22:19:46 i bought one yesterday Mar 21 22:19:55 yoink Mar 21 22:20:45 prolly yes Mar 21 22:20:46 who's yoink Mar 21 22:21:00 good thx Mar 21 22:21:32 what do i have to do to understand the inner workings of this? Mar 21 22:21:45 do i have to install the sdk? Mar 21 22:21:48 thats rather broad Mar 21 22:22:56 well, specifically, for example, i would be interested in filtering some incoming calls so that the number that appears in the screen is not the same that is making the call Mar 21 22:23:32 hey, does anyone know of any app that has the same functionality as dropbox but that runs on the N900? Mar 21 22:24:02 same functionality as in uses dropbox, or syncs content somewhere? Mar 21 22:24:08 brody: that's a rather abitioned project Mar 21 22:24:18 i would like to do that, but it's not important, i would like to read somewhere what files are in the device, and what do they do Mar 21 22:24:19 brody: the phone app isnt open source iirc Mar 21 22:24:32 oh Mar 21 22:24:38 i didn't know that Mar 21 22:24:49 yes, thet's the problem with tweaks like that Mar 21 22:24:51 probably first steps are install openssh Mar 21 22:25:09 then poke around the system Mar 21 22:25:19 then reflash it when you break it Mar 21 22:25:35 ok then peek around first :) Mar 21 22:25:40 brody: you got general linux knowledge? Mar 21 22:25:48 i already have ssh Mar 21 22:25:52 k Mar 21 22:25:57 and general linux knowledge, i think Mar 21 22:26:05 and i did that chroot thing with debian Mar 21 22:26:09 mmm Mar 21 22:26:13 easy debian Mar 21 22:26:20 brody: wiki seems a good starting point Mar 21 22:26:22 to install some debian packages Mar 21 22:27:27 but i don't seem to find in the wiki what files do what things, and how Mar 21 22:27:33 i'll read it better Mar 21 22:27:52 maybe roundabout there: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/ Mar 21 22:28:10 i will poke around, but i will probably break something :) Mar 21 22:28:25 no problem Mar 21 22:28:39 just reflash a fresh system ;-D Mar 21 22:29:37 yeah, there is a good explanation about that Mar 21 22:30:19 so there aren't a manual for geeks yet? Mar 21 22:30:51 does installing the sdk open many possibilities? Mar 21 22:31:18 brody: many subsystems on maemo are dbus based. pkg mdbus2 is rather convenient to experiment with that. also see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS Mar 21 22:31:29 thx thx Mar 21 22:32:47 brody: (manual for geeks) seems there's no O'Reily "Meamo Unleashed" book yet Mar 21 22:33:02 typoing unleashed Mar 21 22:33:34 friggin spellchacker Mar 21 22:34:46 maemo in a nutshell neither Mar 21 22:35:04 "yet" Mar 21 22:35:17 is anyone over there working on one >>> ? Mar 21 22:35:20 let's hope and pray Mar 21 22:35:59 who's going to do it if we don't Mar 21 22:36:02 I remember seeing something over Amazon about it Mar 21 22:36:16 And I also have seen a book that covers IT2006, as well as other platforms Mar 21 22:39:52 hmmm, "embedded linux", Joachim Schroeder Mar 21 22:40:02 best match Mar 21 22:40:25 the phone app is not open Mar 21 22:40:37 is there anything else that is not open? Mar 21 22:40:46 nah, Maemo von Frederic P. Miller, Agnes F. Vandome, und John McBrewster von Alphascript Publishing Mar 21 22:41:15 http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/ Mar 21 22:41:52 probably it's not the most recent link Mar 21 22:41:59 cool Mar 21 22:42:12 I've installed bash and modified /etc/passwd to have /bin/bash for user and root (well, I did anyway). that didn't work though, I still got sh when starting a terminal. should modifying the login shell be enough to get bash for default? Mar 21 22:42:46 and is it safe to add /etc/shells if it doesn't exist? Mar 21 22:42:51 are you sure that you aren't getting bash? Mar 21 22:43:00 joga: you *got* bash? Mar 21 22:43:20 ml-mobile: yeah it shows the busybox banner Mar 21 22:43:24 and doesn't read my bashrc Mar 21 22:43:26 joga: I.E bash is busybox, unless you got pkg bash Mar 21 22:43:34 DocScrutinizer: I have the package bash Mar 21 22:43:48 I can run it from sh and it'll work as expected Mar 21 22:44:31 when googling I just saw some stuff where there has been problems when changing the shell so I don't want to mess it up accidentally :) Mar 21 22:44:38 no idea then. Rumour has it installing bash for default shell breaks system boot though Mar 21 22:44:52 DocScrutinizer: I think it has to do with replacing /bin/sh with bash Mar 21 22:45:20 I think that's exactly what will "brick" your system Mar 21 22:45:37 I don't think any of the critical system scripts are dependent on the shell the user has chosen Mar 21 22:45:58 I heard they do Mar 21 22:46:00 is the bash pacakge optified? Mar 21 22:46:12 nah, of course not THE USER Mar 21 22:47:10 so I'd just to have bash started when I run the terminal, I now have a simple shortcut there that runs bash in osso-xterm Mar 21 22:47:20 no idea why chsh wouldn't work. I heard success reports on that bit Mar 21 22:47:22 *just like to have Mar 21 22:47:36 DocScrutinizer: chsh complains about /bin/bash not being mentioned in /etc/shells, which does not exist Mar 21 22:47:58 but if it's ok to create it I can try Mar 21 22:47:58 which might explain a bit Mar 21 22:48:04 yeah Mar 21 22:48:17 I'll try, just a sec :) Mar 21 22:50:01 yay, now it starts bash Mar 21 22:50:25 I hope it's safe to boot ;) Mar 21 22:51:12 ah, perfect. Mar 21 22:51:36 I created /etc/shells that has /bin/bash and /bin/sh Mar 21 22:52:32 joga: try boot ;-) Mar 21 22:52:53 DocScrutinizer: assuming it might fail, how do I recover? ;) Mar 21 22:52:55 just to be sure Mar 21 22:53:03 reflash Mar 21 22:53:08 can I modify the filesystem any other way? Mar 21 22:53:17 nope Mar 21 22:53:21 not afaik Mar 21 22:53:47 heh I guess it could be possible to add a script somewhere near the beginning of boot that prompts to remove /etc/shells Mar 21 22:54:11 but ah well I'll just google a bit to feel more confident ;) Mar 21 22:54:33 "I can set it with chsh for root, when i set it for the user then the N900 will no more boot, can anybody confirm this? The only solution is to flash the device." Mar 21 22:54:36 doh.. Mar 21 22:54:47 "Yes setting shell to anything other than sh will kill the device. " Mar 21 22:54:49 ok... Mar 21 22:54:50 :D Mar 21 22:54:58 this doth not bode well Mar 21 22:55:01 toldya Mar 21 22:55:07 maybe I'll just fix it back. I wonder why is that Mar 21 22:56:06 there really ought to be a simple way to recover from simple modifications like that.. Mar 21 22:56:47 the only way would be to have a rescue system Mar 21 22:57:00 yeah, something like that Mar 21 22:57:12 so you could mount the original system's / Mar 21 22:57:12 a couple of megabytes for that purpose is worth it :) Mar 21 22:57:35 patches welcome ;-D Mar 21 22:58:00 so I switched with chsh the user's shell back to /bin/sh, then removed /etc/shells and confirmed root also has /bin/sh selected Mar 21 22:58:06 I guess it's safe to boot now Mar 21 22:58:36 to change the default shell prevents the device to boot and people doesn't know why? Mar 21 22:58:41 wow Mar 21 22:59:09 probably some subtly incompatible boot script Mar 21 22:59:09 probably some cracks know exactly why Mar 21 22:59:22 I can see why the shell would make a difference in some scripts, but the user's shell shouldn't be that relevant Mar 21 22:59:49 joga: well, the desktop is mainly user Mar 21 23:00:09 and there's no such thing like a console and a init -s Mar 21 23:00:37 DocScrutinizer: ok, I haven't studied it much yet, I've only had the device for a few days Mar 21 23:02:44 but with the rootsh package we become root don't we? Mar 21 23:02:53 sure Mar 21 23:02:54 yes Mar 21 23:02:59 we could do whatever we wanted, in theory Mar 21 23:03:05 yep Mar 21 23:03:13 i want irssi in sunglasses Mar 21 23:03:20 lol Mar 21 23:03:26 :-P Mar 21 23:03:34 i don't agree with the fact that we can't change the shell Mar 21 23:03:35 pupnik: heh, get two n900s and duct tape Mar 21 23:04:55 is people working on this? Mar 21 23:05:13 theres the focal length problem. i dont see how it is possible to get text overlaid on your fov Mar 21 23:05:13 i can help writing docs Mar 21 23:05:32 or reversing binaries Mar 21 23:05:55 Or get four N900s Mar 21 23:05:57 what sort of backups does the n900 make? can these be modified/mounted? Mar 21 23:06:00 Tape them together 2x2 Mar 21 23:06:05 And you have the N900Pad Mar 21 23:06:12 argh the horror Mar 21 23:06:54 good question joga Mar 21 23:08:00 i have to praise nokias testing. n900 seems the stablest tablet yet Mar 21 23:08:11 I'm very pleased thus far too Mar 21 23:10:41 I've noticed many small things that just weren't there on the n800 and some things I've thought would be nice, and then some things that I hadn't think of myself than then seem obvious Mar 21 23:11:02 *that Mar 21 23:12:04 it's like a swiss army knife of teh internets ;) Mar 21 23:14:02 mhm Mar 21 23:14:17 i love the fuzzy targeting to open a url Mar 21 23:14:26 from terminal Mar 21 23:14:36 exactly what i asked for Mar 21 23:17:29 hi to all Mar 21 23:22:00 hey...can the device be used as mass storage if it's turned off and then plugged in? this implies so http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=566432#post566432 Mar 21 23:22:04 brody: (chg shell fact) as mentioned before there've been 'done!' reports as well. Strange thing seems for some people it works while others break their boot. Generally there's reluctance in tampering with that stuff Mar 21 23:22:13 and does it expose the root filesystem Mar 21 23:22:38 (because that would be awesome) Mar 21 23:23:24 joga: seems turning of isn't exactly helpful Mar 21 23:23:59 otherwise, yes of course it's a mass storage - and a lot of people curse the implications of that Mar 21 23:25:05 turning off* Mar 21 23:26:00 ah, yeah, well, it is a bit of a concern securitywise.. Mar 21 23:26:27 if there was some way to tell the device that "yeah it's me, pop the hood" Mar 21 23:26:56 and no, it does *not* expose the rootfs, which is the major annoyance in messing around with initscripts etc as well as the cause of all the implications. rootfs is *not* a fat fs Mar 21 23:27:11 Nor is /hom Mar 21 23:30:40 DocScrutinizer: but there must be people that know how things work somewhere, haven't they written it? Mar 21 23:31:01 sure - lol. Mar 21 23:31:29 just I for one don't know who exactly those people are Mar 21 23:31:40 lol Mar 21 23:33:11 my take on that is my favourite saying: >>I *HATE* BUSYBOX!<< Mar 21 23:33:53 they are reading us Mar 21 23:35:20 messybox is for washing machines, not for users of xterm Mar 21 23:35:33 I'll dare it now and reboot.. Mar 21 23:35:47 and they're rejecting the idea of sharing their knowledge, because the have better things to do Mar 21 23:35:51 i understand Mar 21 23:35:54 good luck joga Mar 21 23:36:04 joga: the brave ones ;-) Mar 21 23:36:05 brody: well, they don't have time for everything Mar 21 23:36:13 yeah Mar 21 23:37:28 it works as usual now that I rebooted Mar 21 23:37:32 *phew* Mar 21 23:37:36 hey Mar 21 23:38:00 hey?? o.O ?? Mar 21 23:38:03 well, it wasn't even that exciting since there should have been no obvious reason why it wouldn't boot if I just reverted my changes Mar 21 23:38:09 we are all phewing with you joga Mar 21 23:38:11 congratz Mar 21 23:38:18 lol Mar 21 23:38:24 guys i has an issue Mar 21 23:38:30 nice to meet you all Mar 21 23:38:32 hi Mar 21 23:38:36 how do I start 'mouse cursor' mode on microB? Mar 21 23:38:39 joga: huh, you reverted the changes? Mar 21 23:38:43 For that, you have to get into “mouse cursor” mode with the device. Sliding your finger to the right from the bottom left corner of the display brings up cursor icon — tap it and you’re now in mouse mode Mar 21 23:38:47 I can't seem to do that Mar 21 23:39:03 DocScrutinizer: yeah I mean, I never rebooted it *with* the changes I made with chsh Mar 21 23:39:14 I just changed it back Mar 21 23:39:25 and removed /etc/shells Mar 21 23:39:27 bah, THAT'S lame Mar 21 23:39:30 ;-P Mar 21 23:39:32 lol Mar 21 23:39:33 yup ;) Mar 21 23:39:54 but he said that he had done it Mar 21 23:40:03 I did change /etc/passwd Mar 21 23:40:15 but I didn't realize I needed /etc/shells I guess, so it didn't actually use bash Mar 21 23:40:19 (I reckon?) Mar 21 23:40:42 had I done both I might have hosed it, from what I read Mar 21 23:41:18 booting with just changed shells in /etc/passwd didn't have any effect Mar 21 23:42:01 (hosed) or you'd be the hero of Sunday Mar 22 2010 Mar 21 23:42:04 hm Mar 21 23:42:11 heh Mar 21 23:42:33 if I didn't need the phone for daily stuff I'd like to experiment with it more Mar 21 23:42:35 so - my n900 is having hash sum errors Mar 21 23:42:39 anyone? Mar 21 23:42:48 where? Mar 21 23:42:51 when? Mar 21 23:43:23 we need articles about the system Mar 21 23:43:25 i update the app lists and the extras repo fails Mar 21 23:43:39 'hash sum mismatch' Mar 21 23:43:52 ok, remove additional repositories first Mar 21 23:44:02 yup Mar 21 23:44:04 devel/testing and any other custom ones Mar 21 23:44:07 done Mar 21 23:44:12 do you want to install any specific application? Mar 21 23:44:18 brody: I think we'll get them, in time Mar 21 23:44:43 Jinux, refresh your cache thingy, does it still have same problem Mar 21 23:44:53 LiraNuna: it works exactly like described. slide in lower hlaf of left edge of screen from outside to the center horizontally - pointer symbol will appear. Touch that Mar 21 23:45:12 * lcuk loves explaining UX to people Mar 21 23:45:20 lcuk: yeah :( Mar 21 23:45:24 im so glad gestures exist Mar 21 23:45:32 * lcuk rolls eyes Mar 21 23:45:45 Jinux, bah Mar 21 23:46:17 joga: we will, if god listens to my prayers Mar 21 23:46:21 what now? only had it a day and already borked it xD Mar 21 23:46:52 ok, close HAM, reboot your machine and try again - just incase something farted Mar 21 23:47:16 what filesystem is it? Mar 21 23:47:16 how do i close HAM? Mar 21 23:47:18 (plus it gives ppl chance to think :p Mar 21 23:48:17 ? Mar 21 23:48:21 Jinux, chances are its not you Mar 21 23:48:38 :) good to hear Mar 21 23:48:48 how do i close HAM? Mar 21 23:49:07 mmm perhaps Mar 21 23:49:10 LiraNuna: actually (just tested) it doesn't matter where you do that, just slide from left outside of screen into screen Mar 21 23:49:18 Jinux, have you sussed out how to gain root yet Mar 21 23:49:59 lcuk, yeah ive got a terminal waiting in the background Mar 21 23:50:07 i go to sleep Mar 21 23:50:16 see you tomorrow, thx! Mar 21 23:50:31 Jinux, someone on forums says "apt-get autoclean" cured their problem Mar 21 23:50:32 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44048 Mar 21 23:50:42 ive tried that Mar 21 23:50:42 close the app manager application Mar 21 23:50:45 with its X Mar 21 23:50:58 then i dunno Mar 21 23:51:31 ivd done it again to make sure Mar 21 23:51:36 lemme try updating Mar 21 23:52:08 fail Mar 21 23:52:13 it might just be external sources Mar 21 23:52:16 ive got an idea Mar 21 23:55:17 nah my mate updated Mar 21 23:55:17 brb a sec Mar 21 23:55:18 (he uses the same update server?) Mar 21 23:55:18 or, well, repository Mar 21 23:55:18 :) Mar 21 23:55:18 yeah Mar 21 23:55:18 Jinux: usually things like checksum errors are a quite commen borked repository Mar 21 23:55:18 try again in 60 minutes Mar 21 23:55:18 mmm i would think so Mar 21 23:55:18 DocScrutinizer, oh that tiny black area Mar 21 23:55:18 yeah most of such problems I've had with desktop systems have gone away without action Mar 21 23:55:18 espeak is fun Mar 21 23:55:18 got espeak running with irssi yet? Mar 21 23:55:18 surely it must be checking the hash against sm though? Mar 21 23:55:21 hmm, does setting the volume of pulseaudio with alsamixer affect anything that has its volume controlled with the volume buttons Mar 21 23:55:31 cant i get rid of that and then itll work? Mar 21 23:55:37 pupnik: heh, I've had that once, not on n900 though ;) Mar 21 23:56:06 id rather avoid having a big honkin perl module Mar 21 23:56:29 even a notification bell would suffice Mar 21 23:57:01 pupnik: the way I once did it for fun was way more hacky, I logged private messages in my irc shell, then I think I tailed them over ssh to a synth Mar 21 23:57:49 but it would be convenient to be able to say /speechon or such and it would read the current channel aloud and so on Mar 21 23:57:59 i did it similarly for another client Mar 21 23:57:59 pupnik: xchat has notification - even since before that notifier bells&whistles bloat crept in Mar 21 23:58:04 well, convenient maybe, fun for sure Mar 22 00:00:03 nite all, sweet dreams Mar 22 00:06:06 re Mar 22 00:15:20 ouch, anyone good with helping me with the sdk? Mar 22 00:16:47 eeeeew Mar 22 00:18:26 exactly Mar 22 00:18:46 hmm...I guess I could modify /usr/sbin/gainroot to execute bash instead Mar 22 00:19:05 I wonder if that's a potential disaster ;) Mar 22 00:19:43 that would be nice Mar 22 00:19:53 bash is alot better than what we have Mar 22 00:20:02 joga: You could just add a bash line to /etc/sudoers Mar 22 00:20:06 so happy javicq added quicksave slopts to picodrive n900 Mar 22 00:20:27 joga: But nothing built-in to the OS uses gainroot, so it should be fine. Some third party scripts do, though. Mar 22 00:21:15 FAIL... omg Mar 22 00:21:37 Jaffa: ok Mar 22 00:21:39 gainroot is a fail in itself Mar 22 00:21:52 SpeedEvil, you confused me there, evil highlighter Mar 22 00:21:55 sapwood-server[5866]: GLIB WARNING ** Gdk - cannot open display: Mar 22 00:21:55 process 5889: arguments to dbus_connection_send_with_reply_and_block() were incorrect, assertion "connection != NULL" failed in file dbus-connection.c line 3298. Mar 22 00:22:03 anyone else had this? Mar 22 00:23:04 sapwood server? never heard of Mar 22 00:23:57 after running af-sb-init.sh start Mar 22 00:24:03 Jaffa: I think I'll just leave gainroot alone and make a copy that calls bash and add that with visudo Mar 22 00:24:11 anyway sounds like connection to dbus failed Mar 22 00:24:38 yeah, my thoughts but im a bit at a loss on a remedy Mar 22 00:25:13 wrong user? wrong bus (system vs session)? wrong dbus perm config? Mar 22 00:25:50 heh I found a /usr/sbin/gainroot.old that has an 'echo "Enable RD mode if you want to break your device"' :) Mar 22 00:26:38 joga: that's the one before rootsh replaced it by the real thing Mar 22 00:26:49 k Mar 22 00:27:13 hmm...misses symlink from vi -> vim Mar 22 00:27:21 (visudo complains) Mar 22 00:28:14 oh, that exists, but /bin/vi doesn't Mar 22 00:28:55 bet that's another messybox symlink usually Mar 22 00:29:38 well, simply exported VISUAL Mar 22 00:30:20 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Dec 17 12:34 /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi Mar 22 00:31:33 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Dec 17 12:34 /etc/alternatives/vi -> /bin/busybox Mar 22 00:31:38 DocScrutinizer: apparently root doesn't have visual editor set or it likes to use /bin/vi Mar 22 00:31:51 but it works now, I have gainroot-bash that I will alias Mar 22 00:32:40 actually vi should be in /bin rather than in /usr/bin Mar 22 00:33:38 rationale being you need in /bin all the tools to service a system in init -s Mar 22 00:33:54 and in /sbin of course Mar 22 00:34:29 yeah Mar 22 00:34:44 while /usr should hold all the executables "nice to have" but may be mounted later or not at all in servicemode Mar 22 00:36:30 I guess most admins would consider vi an essential tool for servicing a broken system Mar 22 00:41:50 I'm trying to install the sdk, and the install script dies with: "awk: fatal: could not find groups: Invalid argument" Enyone else encouter this? Mar 22 01:49:36 can anyone help me flash my n900 with flasher on windows NSU isn't working for me Mar 22 01:57:28 hm dunno an Mar 22 01:57:31 *Andrewfblack Mar 22 01:57:35 what's di matter? Mar 22 02:05:20 does anyone here know how to set up modest so that the email archives are saved on the 2Gb or 8Gb hard drive space rather than internal memory? Mar 22 02:08:37 anyone know how long after I flash using flash it will take device to reboot Mar 22 02:16:42 electronicsjar: it does save them on the 2GB Mar 22 02:17:07 ml-mobile, really? it doesn't seem like the case on mine before i reflashed the os Mar 22 02:17:09 or do you mean storing it on an SD card? Mar 22 02:17:36 storing it on the SD would work too Mar 22 02:17:45 i need to find ways of not overloading the internal memory Mar 22 02:17:50 (the 128 mb space) Mar 22 02:17:58 256 Mar 22 02:18:25 and the mail messages are stored under /home/user/.modest Mar 22 02:18:37 which is on the 2GB ext3 partition Mar 22 02:21:23 hmm...what then could cause the 256 mb being overloaded? Mar 22 02:27:25 who's responsible for maemo mailinglists mailman? spamasassin prepends a [possible spam] to empty mails, which makes mailan fail on maemo-*-request@maemo.org Mar 22 02:27:59 electronicsjar: apps from -devel that aren't optified, some caches Mar 22 02:28:09 how much do you have free? Mar 22 02:28:34 s/mails,/mails' subjects,/ Mar 22 02:28:35 DocScrutinizer meant: who's responsible for maemo mailinglists mailman? spamasassin prepends a [possible spam] to empty mails' subjects, which makes mailan fail on maemo-*-request@maemo.org Mar 22 02:31:02 http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t306/shakesville/oralsexlight.jpg Mar 22 02:31:05 so i got a nexus one Mar 22 02:31:10 and im playin w/ it in parallel to the n900 Mar 22 02:31:20 made me realize how awesome maemo really is Mar 22 02:33:28 woot iodine all set up and working on my n900 Mar 22 02:33:37 whats iodine Mar 22 02:33:43 dns tunneling Mar 22 02:38:10 lowering the mtu i can get fairly good traffic flow Mar 22 02:38:17 :) Mar 22 02:50:48 trying to use flasher and it is telling me to supply the 2nd image??? Mar 22 02:54:35 did you tell it to flash both the rootfs and the eMMC? Mar 22 02:56:21 ml-mobile, device memory are 83.2 mb available, internal memory card is 1.75 Gb available, removable memory card is 3.42 Gb available **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 22 03:00:02 2010