**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 22 03:00:02 2010 Mar 22 03:00:23 ok got it now I think added --flash-only=rootfs Mar 22 03:00:42 waiting at found device how long doesn't flasher take to flash phone? Mar 22 03:07:56 a couple of mins Mar 22 03:08:11 what are you flashing the emmc or kernel? Mar 22 03:11:59 rootfs Mar 22 03:12:33 does device need to be on or just hold down U and plug in? Mar 22 03:15:25 go go gadget eBay! Mar 22 03:18:16 couple of seconds Mar 22 03:18:40 waiting means something failed Mar 22 03:19:01 should phone be on or off? Mar 22 03:19:09 unplug N900, switch off, replug Mar 22 03:19:42 should switch on automatically on plugin Mar 22 03:21:10 I started over phone is off plug in and I got device not found Mar 22 03:21:37 phone is viberation some and screen is flashing Mar 22 03:22:02 flasher has to be waiting on plugin Mar 22 03:22:37 hold anything down or just plug in Mar 22 03:22:59 you could hold down "u", but it's probably not needed Mar 22 03:24:40 got phone off with Dark screen Nokia and USB flasher icon thingy Mar 22 03:24:50 flasher still waiting on device Mar 22 03:25:23 strange. Mar 22 03:25:51 if you got the usb icon, you could try to kill and restart flasher Mar 22 03:26:21 could it be I"m using USA image just thought about that I have a prerelease n900 Quim sent me from Finland Mar 22 03:26:38 shouldn't matter Mar 22 03:27:26 still getting device not found Mar 22 03:27:47 try another usb connector on PC Mar 22 03:28:37 been having trouble nokia software updater wont work either says connecton to device lost Mar 22 03:29:00 hmm yes Mar 22 03:29:23 bad cable, or 'bad' usb connector (with internal hub) Mar 22 03:30:05 same thing on 2 computers Mar 22 03:30:14 bad usb connector on device? Mar 22 03:30:39 hmm, maybe you broke your N900 usb receptacle? Mar 22 03:31:41 hard to diagnose from remote Mar 22 03:32:09 works fine for transfering files Mar 22 03:32:18 you're using linux on PC? Mar 22 03:32:29 pc Mar 22 03:33:31 charges fine also Mar 22 03:35:54 n900 booted isn't seeing cable plug in now was 10 minutes ago Mar 22 03:36:54 is the /home/user/.modest directory on the 128 mb or the internal/external memory cards? Mar 22 03:37:08 i thought the /home/user/ directory is on the 128 mb memory Mar 22 03:37:14 it isn't Mar 22 03:37:26 the 2GB partition is mounted on /home Mar 22 03:38:09 there is a softlink to /home/opt Mar 22 03:38:18 /home is on the 2GB ext3 partition of eMMC Mar 22 03:38:33 see 'mount' Mar 22 03:41:21 Andrewfblack: there's no 10 minutes wait in flashing. Everything happens instantly Mar 22 03:41:42 no wait at any point Mar 22 03:42:00 if you wait, it failed Mar 22 03:42:23 so go by a new cable and try I guess Mar 22 03:42:31 if that isn't it then bad device Mar 22 03:42:51 still dunno what's your OS Mar 22 03:42:57 Windows XP Mar 22 03:43:04 hmm Mar 22 03:43:15 hmm Mar 22 03:43:27 windows 7 on other computer failed also havn't tried it under linux yet Mar 22 03:43:36 then what's happening with the out of memory message on my n810 then Mar 22 03:43:37 ? Mar 22 03:44:35 you're running flasher with admin permisions? Mar 22 03:45:19 (not as if I had any idea of redmond crap. just wild guessing) Mar 22 03:46:50 yeah Mar 22 03:50:43 electronicsjar: wait, you're on an N810? Mar 22 03:50:48 ml-mobile, yes Mar 22 03:50:53 ohhhh Mar 22 03:50:55 does it change what you said? Mar 22 03:50:59 yes Mar 22 03:51:31 ml-mobile, what does it entail then? Mar 22 03:52:03 only thing I can think of is softlinking .modest to a directory on an SD card Mar 22 03:52:23 ml-mobile, i'm not sure how to softlink .modest to a directory on an SD card Mar 22 03:52:28 however I do not know how th N810 would react on bootup Mar 22 03:52:35 i guess i can try looking online before asking for more informaiton Mar 22 03:53:09 you may want to ask in the Maemo 4 forum on maemo.org Mar 22 03:53:26 the issue has likely been encountered before Mar 22 04:00:23 browserd has some serious cpu usage issues :/ Mar 22 04:06:51 DocScrutinizer51: I got with flasher on windows 7 pc Mar 22 04:07:17 what fixed it? Mar 22 04:07:50 really have no idea I hadn't tried flasher on windows 7 but nsu didn't work on either and flasher wouldn't work on windows xp Mar 22 04:08:08 anyone tried sygic? Mar 22 04:08:50 linux was about to be my next try but your right only takes about 5 total seconds to do it Mar 22 04:09:17 linux should be your only try ;) Mar 22 04:09:27 step away from the win. Mar 22 04:10:07 I have several times but I get so used to windows at work it just feels easier to do it at home Mar 22 04:10:55 i use linux at home but often end up supporting it at work Mar 22 04:11:06 its refreshing coming home to it Mar 22 04:11:26 i cant think of anything that is easier or better in windows Mar 22 04:11:37 in fact work is about to make me go buy a windows mobile phone as well Mar 22 04:11:48 Im so sorry Mar 22 04:12:18 our work network will only allow windows mobile phones connect and I'm tired of logging into desktop to get an email Mar 22 04:12:40 I've been trying for months to find a way to get n900 to connect Mar 22 04:12:44 mail for exchange not working for you on n900 Mar 22 04:13:08 plus im sure theres an exchange plugin for evolution on a desktop Mar 22 04:13:51 theres imap and pop as other solutions... Mar 22 04:13:56 mail for exchange works I just can't get my phone on network and no cell service Mar 22 04:14:28 weird Mar 22 04:14:37 try and spoof your mac to a win mobile mac? Mar 22 04:15:01 how are they os checking on the network? Mar 22 04:15:58 that's the question. Which exotic crap technology is involved in winmoob registering on the network? Mar 22 04:16:08 problem is how you have to setup network settings and I have to set it for network to give me WEP Key and enroll the root cert Mar 22 04:16:34 wep? Mar 22 04:16:46 n900 has no setting for network giving WEP key Mar 22 04:16:49 C-S-B: yep Mar 22 04:17:14 you can connect to wep network, if your really wanted to, on the n900 Mar 22 04:17:54 I can't get it to connect always asks for WEP key which I don't have Mar 22 04:18:00 but what kind of mindless security choice was wep? Mar 22 04:18:21 you could get the key without ever connecting to the network if its wep. Mar 22 04:18:25 legacy I guess Mar 22 04:18:45 i hope that the network isolates wep clients Mar 22 04:18:46 they don't care about security just tracking what you do Mar 22 04:19:20 If you don't work out there you can't get close enough to network to connect Mar 22 04:19:37 I don't get it how winmoob is fetching a key for the network over the network o.O Mar 22 04:19:42 we are surrounded by about a 3 miles of fence Mar 22 04:19:53 DocScrutinizer same here Mar 22 04:20:50 Windows has a setting for allow network to give key. I think they are really comfirming you with the Root Cert that you have to enroll by running some enroll.exe that requires you to enter your network login information Mar 22 04:20:53 just obtaining sygic anyone else a Mar 22 04:21:07 tried it Mar 22 04:22:04 I wont be buying I got screwed on n810 Navigation I can't believe they didn't release wayfinder for n900 Mar 22 04:23:48 I'm lovin my fully working n900 Mar 22 04:23:59 3rd one seems to be doing well Mar 22 04:24:19 not found a missing feature yet Mar 22 04:26:23 * DocScrutinizer crossing fingers Mar 22 04:28:04 thinking of getting a SmartQ v5 I would assume that booting the windows ce would be able to connect to work network Mar 22 04:30:10 I'd not place my bet on that Mar 22 04:30:48 might just get a used winmo phone from ebay since it will just a work phone i looked for a PDA that runs winmo but cna't find them anymore Mar 22 04:31:27 htc hd2 looks nice if you want a lighter wallet Mar 22 04:31:53 btw if anyone of you are as lazy of me I figure out how to do click to unlock on n900 lockscreen lol Mar 22 04:33:43 650 for a work toy is a little much lol Mar 22 04:35:53 I paid US$ 580 Mar 22 04:36:02 and there's people selling it for much less now Mar 22 04:36:46 http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms836771.aspx *puke* Mar 22 04:38:13 DocScrutinizer: yeah that enroll.exe thing is what keeps me from connecting n900 to work network Mar 22 04:39:41 * DocScrutinizer wonders if ssh and relatives could handle PKCS#10 and*.cer as well Mar 22 04:40:08 fwiw Mar 22 04:40:36 anyway that's not the wep key aiui Mar 22 04:40:41 docscrutinizer this is something Ive wondered about all my n900s Mar 22 04:41:06 does the power management drop the wifi in a haphazard way if you dont use it in a while? Mar 22 04:44:05 I find it hard to believe its impossible to connect n900 to my work network just havn't found a way yet lol Mar 22 04:47:24 well, aiui you can connect to the *network* quite easily, and in the classic way by providing a wep key that *has* to be preshared. The question is what you're allowed to do on the network then, other than sending an enrollment request to the cert server of windows Mar 22 04:47:26 try harder Mar 22 04:48:07 you could be a little naughty, obtain the wep key and connect Mar 22 04:51:18 C-S-B: not work losing job lol Mar 22 04:51:32 deny all Mar 22 04:55:46 I'd pester company's admin to get the shit working on linux Mar 22 05:02:49 admin or programmers? Mar 22 05:03:35 re Mar 22 05:05:07 DocScrutinizer: problem is I work with 5000 people at my work location with about 100 it people, Company wide their are 10s of thousands of people who knows how many it people and we all have same network setup Mar 22 05:14:30 Andrewfblack: you're missing my point. It should probably work with very same "network setup" on linux as well. Company hadn't have to change any of their infrastructure for you, it just needs one of the 100 IT guys to understand how to configure linux (probably ssh plus another few supplementary services) and get it done on your N900 Mar 22 05:15:42 DocScrutinizer what network setup are we talking about? I just missed it... Is it cisco vpn over wifi, ActiveSync ? Mar 22 05:15:55 http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms836771.aspx Mar 22 05:18:32 Oh ic, Is this for VPN PPTP auth or for Exchange sync? Mar 22 05:19:27 VPN sounds like matching the case Mar 22 05:20:32 yeah, my employer fortunately chose a cisco vpn solution, so vpnc is a solution Mar 22 05:20:33 as Andrewfblack says he "can't connect to network" Mar 22 05:21:05 even if I had to manually edit the config, since the vpnc-gui would not allow to edit some of the fields they validate (like the client version...) Mar 22 05:22:36 anyway, I mean this wince crap is from 2002 or somesuch. Hard to believe no hacker implemented that shit on linux yet Mar 22 05:24:03 lemme see the pptp solutions if they support the pcks Mar 22 05:28:25 Ok, it seems this is related to l2tp, not pptp... Mar 22 05:28:58 which is similar to the way the cisco vpn works, but it seems that with windows it just uses ipsec... Mar 22 05:29:15 Andrewfblack: could this be of use to you? http://www.jacco2.dds.nl/networking/linux-l2tp.html Mar 22 05:30:47 Unfortunately it is not very clear on how to do the initial certificate exchange, which it seemed to be the question? Mar 22 05:30:48 Andrewfblack: there's a flasher-3.5 binary for windows that's not nsu Mar 22 05:35:50 ""Smart cards provide the flexibility of enrollment from any client device that supports smart cards, such as a desktop PC"" Mar 22 05:36:23 * Stskeeps yawns Mar 22 05:36:58 DocScrutinizer51: ?! Mar 22 05:38:05 any device includes Linux. If this enrollment is just smartcard standard, then there should be a sw based solution for linux as well Mar 22 05:42:21 I think the smartcard bit is just an alternate way to get the certificate other than that http exchange Mar 22 05:45:22 "I am Shung Hin Hui, I have a business of $15.5 million for you contact me for details." Mar 22 05:45:30 Funny. Mar 22 05:46:21 nigeria connection reloaded Mar 22 05:49:07 hehe .. so far nothing toped the breast enhancement cream spam i once got .. wtf do they know that i dont need a bigger penis but my titties are small? :P Mar 22 05:49:41 Haven't you complained about it on tmo? =) Mar 22 05:50:00 no Mar 22 05:51:37 * Stskeeps twitches at texrat's suggestion at putting pandora under linux foundation/meego Mar 22 05:51:52 talk about a PR scandal that could be.. Mar 22 05:51:53 eek Mar 22 06:08:52 3 days to register a project on the maemo garage?! Ouch Mar 22 06:09:12 ah, x-fade is on a long weekend Mar 22 06:09:17 should probably approve today Mar 22 06:09:42 Stskeeps: And there is still nobody who can do it in his absence? Mar 22 06:09:53 RST38h: i think there is but i have nothing to deal with infra Mar 22 06:11:02 One person does all the approval? Ok Mar 22 06:11:27 I just want to check. This is the only way to get packages into extras-devel right? Mar 22 06:12:09 no Mar 22 06:12:19 that's the extras uploader queue Mar 22 06:12:23 projects has nothing to deal with that Mar 22 06:12:39 Ruroni: You do not need a garage project to submit stuff to the extras-devel Mar 22 06:13:44 Ah, you only need a garage account, not a project? Mar 22 06:15:26 right, and requesting access to upload Mar 22 06:15:28 morning tekojo Mar 22 06:15:36 Morning Stskeeps Mar 22 06:15:45 Righto, thanks muchly. Mar 22 07:01:35 [ 15.665374] EXT3-fs warning: mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck is recommended Mar 22 07:01:54 * ShadowJK ponders sanest way to fsck /home... Mar 22 07:02:42 how about fsck at reboot? Mar 22 07:03:01 touch /forcefsck Mar 22 07:05:23 that works? Mar 22 07:06:44 grep -r forcefsck /etc Mar 22 07:06:48 yields nothing Mar 22 07:09:01 nothing with just fsck either Mar 22 07:16:29 ShadowJK: ? Mar 22 07:17:03 thats how I've done it on all linux installs Mar 22 07:17:19 (servers and desktops) Mar 22 07:18:35 my ubuntu install has a /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh which contains if [ -f /forcefsck ] Mar 22 07:18:43 so it'd work there Mar 22 07:18:48 hmm Mar 22 07:18:55 but I don't run Ubuntu on my N900 Mar 22 07:21:24 "You can prevent your phone of mounting /home at boot time by commenting the "/bin/mount /home" rule in /etc/event.d/rcS-late" Mar 22 07:21:28 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43698 Mar 22 07:21:32 thats one way... Mar 22 07:29:14 just customized my user and root prompts :D nice Mar 22 07:46:52 yes hello Mar 22 07:47:18 morning, all Mar 22 07:50:58 Hello sygic free n900 possible ? :) Mar 22 07:51:15 no Mar 22 07:51:58 Yes but i don t know where i can found this Mar 22 07:52:15 It s possible , i m sure Mar 22 07:52:25 go away Mar 22 07:52:46 Morning all Mar 22 07:52:50 or use ovi maps Mar 22 07:52:56 bib38: it may be, but that doesn't mean we'll want to help you pirate it Mar 22 07:53:18 °°«»©™’”≥≤çߢ¡¿§*°·±½«»}{]|[><¤%#"+-=!&@\/)(_;:'.,?€£$¥ Mar 22 07:53:21 TTOTD: automated publishing scripts need failsafes to event re-publishing last week's issue. Mar 22 07:53:21 Ok i prefre this answer Mar 22 07:53:26 uhm Mar 22 07:53:28 ups Mar 22 07:53:59 But ovi maps is not ready with voice on n900 Mar 22 07:55:13 Have you gote a date for ovi maps for n900 ? Mar 22 07:55:22 Is there a vaguely accurate due date for the next release of maemo that has Qt 4.6 built-in? Mar 22 07:56:14 RurouniJones, dates aren't released by nokia in advance. There are only rumours. Mar 22 07:56:35 Ok, any vageuly believeable rumours / estimates Mar 22 07:56:46 yay, 100% used on debian chroot image Mar 22 07:56:55 * FIQ thinks the image is too small Mar 22 07:57:19 RurouniJones, it was "really soon now" a month ago :P Mar 22 07:57:24 Oh boy Mar 22 07:57:39 - 2.0G 2.0G 0 100% / Mar 22 07:57:56 * RurouniJones goes and tries his app on his current N900 to see how spectacularly it explodes Mar 22 07:57:56 but then, rumour has it, things failed QA Mar 22 07:58:20 FIQ: I bet you're glad the image isn't on a jffs2 partition, then :-) Mar 22 07:58:53 RurouniJones, so I think qt-4.6 is in extras-devel Mar 22 07:58:54 jffs2 partition... Mar 22 07:59:16 ShadowJK: Yer it is, but I am not sure I want to wipe out the existing Qt on my N900 Mar 22 07:59:35 I did in the scratchbox environment to test the app, but I won't want to wreck my phone ;) Mar 22 07:59:53 I suspect it installs in parallell but I'm not sure :) Mar 22 07:59:55 since I have no idea how any other qt apps will react Mar 22 08:00:10 I am not sure beause the guide said to remove the existing Qt libs Mar 22 08:00:16 yay for apt-get clean Mar 22 08:00:19 oh, scary Mar 22 08:00:30 yeah 8Md be afraid too then :P Mar 22 08:00:52 s/8Ms/I'd/ Mar 22 08:01:00 oh I give up Mar 22 08:01:19 switching between N810 and N900 keyboard gives interesting typos... Mar 22 08:01:26 ShadowJK: I wonder how many of us are here on n900s... Mar 22 08:01:51 * FIQ is here on a N900 Mar 22 08:01:58 I'm just gonna wait for PR1.2 and not install Qt4.6 by myself. Even though I'm developing a qt app that requires 4.6. Mar 22 08:02:01 * ccooke also Mar 22 08:02:07 * RurouniJones ditto, but not as a phone because sodding networks won't allow it Mar 22 08:02:29 I've got my desktop, my N810 and my N810 connected to this nickname right now :P Mar 22 08:02:33 MiXu-: Same, but it is annoying because this program is really useful for me (Hell, I developed it for myself) Mar 22 08:02:45 and having to wait is annoying *) Mar 22 08:02:47 RurouniJones: Yep. Same here. :) Mar 22 08:02:48 has anyone else thought about proxying im transports, btw? Mar 22 08:03:36 I am considering the benefits of plugging all of my non-voip transports into an instance of minbif Mar 22 08:03:58 (minbif is an im to irc gateway bult on libpurple) Mar 22 08:04:45 and since it runs on a server on my vpn, I should be able to cut processing and bandwidth use on the phone massively Mar 22 08:05:11 hm Mar 22 08:05:44 MiXu-: You using QT-Creator to make your interfaces? Mar 22 08:06:08 RurouniJones: Yes. Except some maemo specific stuff. Mar 22 08:06:22 And at this point the UI is a bit of a mess because of that. Mar 22 08:06:43 Looks fine on Maemo, but horrible in the code :) Mar 22 08:06:53 Hehe, I am finding it a real pain in the arse to get things positioned nicely using the ui designer and the various layouts Mar 22 08:08:06 The designer takes a while to get used to, that's all. Mar 22 08:08:52 Well plus the fact I am new to Qt and haven't done c++ for a hell of a long time. Mar 22 08:09:29 In fact I was going to ask if someone coul dhave a look at hte code and let me know if it is ok / breaking more conventions than I care to know about. Is there a big QT site where people might be up for that? Mar 22 08:10:02 I'm on #qt and #qt-maemo Mar 22 08:10:42 I was thinking website. Probably get more response on a forum or something. Mar 22 08:11:30 maybe http://www.qtcentre.org/ then, not sure how active it really is, though Mar 22 08:11:53 Gracias Mar 22 08:12:27 Looks active Mar 22 08:16:13 Heh, I have been there before, even got an acount on it. Just totally forgot about it...oops. Mar 22 08:28:58 * ShadowJK tries fsck from bootmenu.sh Mar 22 08:29:09 hope i dont brick my n900 :D Mar 22 08:29:31 that should be a wikipage Mar 22 08:29:36 "How to brick your n900" Mar 22 08:30:20 Always think of the bright side Mar 22 08:30:28 An N900 makes for a classy paperweight Mar 22 08:32:22 well, first attempt failed to fsck Mar 22 08:32:36 The crowd winces Mar 22 08:36:00 I think /dev/mmcblk* is either missing or not yet fubar'd that early in boot.... Mar 22 08:41:02 yep, no mmc in /dev that early Mar 22 08:41:40 Bonjour ya t il un chant serveur maemo ou n 900 en francais ? Mar 22 08:41:54 non Mar 22 08:43:49 Merci timeless , tu es en france ? Mar 22 08:44:15 English. Mar 22 08:45:29 Ok thank you timeless Mar 22 08:45:38 thanks for conforming :) Mar 22 08:45:47 Et francais? Mar 22 08:46:02 Moi oui Mar 22 08:46:26 c'est la vie Mar 22 08:46:33 Je cherche un chant sur le n900 en français , mais ya pas Mar 22 08:46:52 bib38: please create one and don't bother non-french speakers Mar 22 08:47:02 ++ Mar 22 08:47:06 yep Mar 22 08:47:15 Ok corsac Mar 22 08:47:23 (well, please don't bother french speakers either) Mar 22 08:47:28 :D Mar 22 08:47:29 :D Mar 22 08:47:43 timeless_mbp: ever tried to use realtime google translate on n900? :) Mar 22 08:47:51 no Mar 22 08:47:55 wait Mar 22 08:48:02 What a the best ap n900 for you ? Mar 22 08:48:04 for productive use or to test the browser? Mar 22 08:48:10 for the latter? sure Mar 22 08:48:47 to test yeah Mar 22 08:49:10 I realy like phototranslate :) Mar 22 08:49:11 it's dropping keys for me Mar 22 08:49:45 translate is in my google bookmarks folder :) Mar 22 08:50:13 (although, it is last, which shows how often it's used) Mar 22 08:50:58 oops nevermind, my conf mods caused it :D Mar 22 08:51:21 no wait.. Mar 22 08:51:26 aww, you made me reboot my n900 Mar 22 08:51:41 mhm .. new openvpn Mar 22 08:51:47 why did you have to reboot... Mar 22 08:51:57 i wonder if it will overwrite all my handcrafted configs Mar 22 08:52:10 (scripts) Mar 22 08:52:15 something got stuck, and i'm too tired to do anything else to it Mar 22 08:52:49 2 n900 would be ideal .. one for using, one for playing and bricking Mar 22 08:53:00 cehteh: i'm quite happy w/ 2 Mar 22 08:53:04 hehe Mar 22 08:53:06 Anyway, when it translates as you type, I randomly lose keypresses. the keys get lost just before the translation results are updated Mar 22 08:53:07 i used to have red and green Mar 22 08:53:13 i dont have money for 2 Mar 22 08:53:15 but red died, so now i have green and pink Mar 22 08:53:40 i have black and invisible :) Mar 22 08:53:53 ShadowJK: from memory this is known Mar 22 08:54:20 the most basic problem is that the realtime system is hazardous to events Mar 22 08:55:15 in about 5-10 words, i tend to lose one character Mar 22 08:55:26 but as the line length gets longer, the losses mount Mar 22 08:55:56 Yeah I lost one with 5 words after I changed jit back to default off Mar 22 08:56:25 i think i decided it wasn't worth chasing Mar 22 08:56:38 the system itself can't really handle fast typists anyway Mar 22 08:56:50 let alone fast typists using the browser for realtime translation Mar 22 08:57:31 sadly, "hello world. my name is josh" became "hello world. my name s josh" Mar 22 08:57:48 an the lack of a verb seriously hurt my translation Mar 22 08:59:15 maybe you translate to redneck? Mar 22 08:59:57 s/an/and/ Mar 22 08:59:58 timeless_mbp meant: and the lack of a verb seriously hurt my translation Mar 22 09:00:52 * ShadowJK tries it on N810 Mar 22 09:00:56 pvanhoof: hey, I wanted to ask you how exactly the thumbnailers (google image / album art) are supposed to work? Mar 22 09:01:09 pvanhoof: I managed to do it with mussorgsky, but it still puzzles me Mar 22 09:01:30 pvanhoof: afaict there's a dbus service registered, but I don't know who's responsible for calling it Mar 22 09:01:54 I don't lose keys with microb on N810 :) Mar 22 09:01:57 Corsac, on the n900 or on harmattan? Mar 22 09:02:06 (and it does the realtime stuff) Mar 22 09:02:31 pvanhoof: n900 Mar 22 09:02:52 What did you manage to do with mussorgsky? Mar 22 09:03:12 pvanhoof: to get all art for my albums Mar 22 09:03:42 Corsac, so you made a albumart provider tha uses mussorgsky based on the googlealbumartprovider that I made? Mar 22 09:04:10 pvanhoof: no, I just used mussorgsky as an end-user and it managed to do it properly Mar 22 09:04:26 I don't think it uses your googlealbumart provider Mar 22 09:04:28 but maybe Mar 22 09:04:31 I didn't think of that Mar 22 09:04:38 I don't understand what exactly you did Mar 22 09:04:52 You downloaded images from a website? Mar 22 09:05:04 pvanhoof: mussorgsky did Mar 22 09:05:20 A website wont do anything automatically, is mussorgsky a website? Mar 22 09:05:32 mussorgsky is an application for n900, sorry Mar 22 09:05:43 basically it's a metadata/albumart manager Mar 22 09:05:53 ok, I don't know about mussorgsky Mar 22 09:05:55 it presents you your music database and you can do stuff on it Mar 22 09:06:01 You should ask the author of that software Mar 22 09:06:03 and there's a part where you can download album art Mar 22 09:06:12 yeah but that's not the point Mar 22 09:06:33 what I was asking was: how am I supposed to use googlealbumart provider Mar 22 09:06:38 I really can't answer you anything about what mussorgsky did I'm afraid Mar 22 09:06:55 yeah, well, forget about mussorgsky Mar 22 09:06:58 Hello ! Mar 22 09:06:58 Over its dbus api Mar 22 09:07:08 pvanhoof: I mean, as an end user Mar 22 09:07:25 Corsac, it's not for end-users, it's an API for app developers Mar 22 09:07:29 ok, thanks Mar 22 09:07:35 that's what I was missing :) Mar 22 09:07:45 (description is not very clear about that) Mar 22 09:07:53 ok Mar 22 09:08:09 sorry for bothering Mar 22 09:08:14 it's in user/ but not for endäusers? Mar 22 09:08:15 np Mar 22 09:08:19 end-users* Mar 22 09:08:36 I don't know who ended up packaging it Mar 22 09:09:01 or don't remember Mar 22 09:09:51 http://maemo.org/packages/view/google-album-art-downloader/ you're marked as maintainer :/ Mar 22 09:09:54 is it in extras too.. Mar 22 09:10:13 im not maintaining it, so if somebody wants to pick it up ... Mar 22 09:12:09 ah good, it's only in devel? Mar 22 09:12:36 it's a plugin for fremantle's standard api for album art handling Mar 22 09:13:13 fremantle's standard album art handling doesn't support any music stores or album art sources other than embedded albumart, by installing this you make it support google-images as source for album-art for songs that have no embedded album-art Mar 22 09:13:24 i dunno what you want to call that Mar 22 09:13:45 ShadowJK: hrm Mar 22 09:14:11 i think we've made more things async Mar 22 09:14:14 which is sorta necessary Mar 22 09:14:20 dunno Mar 22 09:14:25 it really isn't worth chasing Mar 22 09:15:13 lo X-Fade, had a good weekend? Mar 22 09:15:41 not worth chasing in the sense that the fix will be called fennec? Mar 22 09:15:42 Hi Stskeeps, yes coffee is needed. :) Mar 22 09:15:55 hmm Mar 22 09:16:29 that's why the low profile timeless? It's all going to be fennec hence forth? Mar 22 09:17:01 microb's work is generally prototyping forks off of gecko Mar 22 09:17:15 if you want something with less hacky implementations, i'd encourage you to try fennec Mar 22 09:17:19 is microb alive still - I mean in trunk :) Mar 22 09:17:35 no Mar 22 09:17:43 it's like Schrödinger's cat Mar 22 09:17:50 I don't care about mess of hacks.. I care about support longevity... Mar 22 09:18:08 microb could last 1 year or 5 years Mar 22 09:18:12 and i wouldn't know which Mar 22 09:18:17 support can be cut over a cup of coffee Mar 22 09:18:17 :P Mar 22 09:18:27 but if you want to help out for the future, fennec is the place to be Mar 22 09:18:36 Stskeeps: s/can/can't/? Mar 22 09:18:42 can Mar 22 09:18:49 no, Stskeeps did not misspeak Mar 22 09:18:53 as in, can happen anytime Mar 22 09:18:59 ah yeah Mar 22 09:19:00 olrite Mar 22 09:19:13 there is still work being done Mar 22 09:19:19 improvements will turn up in 1.2 Mar 22 09:19:27 and i suspect some improvements will happen after that Mar 22 09:20:07 but i wouldn't expect huge new features in this microb Mar 22 09:20:15 the first microb was 'ooh, a gecko' Mar 22 09:20:16 I guess my question really is - and you will chastize me for bringing this up - will the Intel half of things still see fit in touting microb as the built in browser? Mar 22 09:20:24 the second microb was, 'ooh, an asynchronous gecko' Mar 22 09:20:38 hi is it possible to sync evolution or the kde organizer with n900/maemo5? Mar 22 09:20:44 the third microb was, 'ooh, an asynchronous gecko that can draw reasonably quickly' Mar 22 09:20:59 tybollt: i'd assume not Mar 22 09:21:13 intel afaiu uses a fairly standard gecko Mar 22 09:21:31 albeit, fairly out of date Mar 22 09:21:48 something like ff3.0.5 ? Mar 22 09:22:18 sobczyk: define possible Mar 22 09:22:22 'anything is possible' Mar 22 09:22:38 http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync#HTTP_support_.28using_syncevolution.29 Mar 22 09:22:46 sync contacts and calendar without hassle Mar 22 09:23:31 * timeless_mbp wonders how one defines hassle Mar 22 09:24:20 There's a gui syncevolution client that does the same thing Mar 22 09:24:32 That's no hassle. If you need terminal, it's a hassle. :) Mar 22 09:25:19 syncevolution 1.0 does direct device sync using bluetooth Mar 22 09:25:39 no need to install syncevo on the n900, just on the host Mar 22 09:26:10 I prefer sync over the internet Mar 22 09:27:34 * ShadowJK would have expected either no browser in meego, or "regular" firefox for netbook ux and fennec for mobile ux Mar 22 09:28:16 no hassle = sync with bluetooth wothout any need for internet accounts Mar 22 09:28:19 lynx! Mar 22 09:28:23 or wifi Mar 22 09:28:59 my n900 synced fine and without hassle over bluetooth to my e75 Mar 22 09:38:50 * Noobmonk3y waves.... Mar 22 09:39:18 hmmmm cafe nero wireless v 3.5g..... 3.5g it is :) Mar 22 09:39:25 I tried to use google sync bt it fails... Mar 22 09:39:55 uh oh Mar 22 09:40:08 * ShadowJK is closer to reflash now Mar 22 09:40:16 eeeek Mar 22 09:40:35 * ShadowJK ponders Mar 22 09:41:00 how long should fsck of 2gigs take, and is 256M ram enough :D Mar 22 09:41:15 lol Mar 22 09:41:33 never tried, not sure, should be.... Mar 22 09:41:53 ShadowJK: depends on FS Mar 22 09:41:58 ext3 Mar 22 09:42:25 on reasonable fast disk - couple seconds Mar 22 09:42:34 :) Mar 22 09:42:54 n900 emmc :) Mar 22 09:42:57 do you know that fsck is offline procedure? Mar 22 09:43:03 couple seconds at most Mar 22 09:43:08 ShadowJK: how are you fscking it? Mar 22 09:43:38 edited /etc/event.d/rcS-late to add fsck before mount Mar 22 09:43:53 lol that sounds like a t-shirt logo . hows to you fsck yours? Mar 22 09:44:13 ShadowJK: that's pointless Mar 22 09:44:21 ShadowJK: use tune2fs Mar 22 09:44:58 Noobmonk3y: Haha. Good one =) Mar 22 09:45:04 :) Mar 22 09:45:05 ShadowJK: tune2fs -c 1 /dev/whatever Mar 22 09:45:11 * timeless_mbp sighs Mar 22 09:45:15 ShadowJK: that will force fsck every single mount Mar 22 09:45:16 right time for a joyeous meeting... Mar 22 09:45:30 someone please remind me to baby sit whichever 'brilliant minds' are responsible for the next 'calendar' app Mar 22 09:45:33 jacekowski: um, does kernel know how to do that Mar 22 09:45:41 yes Mar 22 09:45:57 jacekowski: because like, there's no reference to fsck anywhere in /etc Mar 22 09:46:16 kernel knows Mar 22 09:46:23 and it's bad idea to do it anyways Mar 22 09:46:33 the mount command should know .. but i have no idea if busybox mount knows that Mar 22 09:46:44 because you will end up with non booting device in case of any fs errors Mar 22 09:46:44 and the next problem is that it wont work for FAT Mar 22 09:46:55 I thought the fsck interval was fsck.ext3 being run, and doing nothing until the -c counter forced it to Mar 22 09:47:24 ShadowJK: no Mar 22 09:47:28 well I managed to fsck MyDocs Mar 22 09:47:40 overall mounting is a bit pita .. anyone wants to make some package which hacks a normal fstab and mounting stuff in? :) Mar 22 09:48:29 oh hm, something happened, charge led started blinking :) Mar 22 09:48:56 ugh? Mar 22 09:49:07 charging bruhaha AGAIN? Mar 22 09:49:49 have we not been through every conceivable charging and or space-on-root issue yet? Mar 22 09:49:55 morning Mar 22 09:50:37 tybollt: no this is /home needing fsck Mar 22 09:50:44 I wonder if pr1.2 will resolve once and for resolve all the charging issues :) Mar 22 09:51:02 ShadowJK: i never had any issues Mar 22 09:51:05 ehh Mar 22 09:51:08 i never had any issues Mar 22 09:51:19 ShadowJK: use tune2fs to force fsck Mar 22 09:51:23 ShadowJK: if you really need to Mar 22 09:51:27 ShadowJK: but don't do it Mar 22 09:51:37 jacekowski, have you ran out of battery? Mar 22 09:51:37 it's bad idea Mar 22 09:51:42 it's journaled FS Mar 22 09:51:44 flux: yes Mar 22 09:51:47 Heh, played the "Air traffic control" game on an iPhone a few days ago, very fun. Someone make a maemo clone! Mar 22 09:51:57 RurouniJones: there is maemo clone Mar 22 09:52:02 journaled fs doesn't mean anything Mar 22 09:52:04 No kidding? Mar 22 09:52:06 RurouniJones: look in ovi store Mar 22 09:52:12 especially not on flash Mar 22 09:52:13 jacekowski, well, just last night I noticed that that had happened to me and left it charge overnight (powered off). couldn't start it in the morning before taking the battery out and putting it back in. Mar 22 09:52:21 Cool, I was there a few days ago but didn't see anything obvious Mar 22 09:52:24 ooh, it booted Mar 22 09:52:46 ShadowJK: journal is replayed every single mount Mar 22 09:52:52 ShadowJK: independently of fsck Mar 22 09:54:08 yes yes, but if watchdog kills the device in the middle of writing, a whole 256k chunk can be left in undefined state, and the journaling relies on 512 byte sectors that get written in-order Mar 22 09:54:40 jacekowski: Don't suppose you know the name of the app do you? I can't find anything useful Mar 22 09:55:05 RurouniJones: airport Mar 22 09:55:17 RurouniJones: it's in ovi store not in app manager Mar 22 09:55:19 hehehe, imaginative Mar 22 09:55:28 aye, I am looking in the ovi store now on PC and n900 Mar 22 09:55:48 still not seeing anything, nothin on search either. Do you have a direct link? I guess my brain is failing badly Mar 22 09:55:51 besides, the fact the fsck DID find problems proves the journaling didnt work Mar 22 09:57:07 the reason boot didn't continue seems to be fsck asking to be run manually :( Mar 22 09:57:33 jacekowski: It is apparently no longer available for some reason :( Mar 22 09:58:45 Hmm. So it seems :o Mar 22 10:00:40 bahahahaa, N900 seismograph, that will be handy Mar 22 10:01:11 RurouniJones: there's a project in SF to detect seims using laptops acceleromters Mar 22 10:02:03 The ovi store is a bit sad. :/ Mar 22 10:02:08 why Mar 22 10:02:24 It has maybe two more apps for N900 than it did two months ago. Mar 22 10:02:28 i havent really looked at it yet i just downloaded this game roller evolution or something yesterday Mar 22 10:02:28 yea, the Ovi store is a bit...um, sparse Mar 22 10:02:32 where u can roll a ball or something Mar 22 10:02:38 bounc evolution Mar 22 10:02:42 yeah Mar 22 10:02:54 That and angry birds are the only, um, pro looking games I have come across Mar 22 10:03:04 yeah the games are a bit sparse Mar 22 10:03:13 RurouniJones: i've seen it there yesterday Mar 22 10:03:16 Of course noone can publish things to ovi yet Mar 22 10:03:24 it s still not really open Mar 22 10:04:09 jacekowski: You mean this right? http://maemo.nokia.com/maemo-select/applications/airport-touch/ -> following the ovi store link shows that is isn't avilable Mar 22 10:04:10 Khertan: Oh. Why is that? Mar 22 10:04:18 That's even more sad in my opinion. Mar 22 10:04:33 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/vectormine/ Mar 22 10:04:42 MiXu-, noone know ... Mar 22 10:04:55 :P Mar 22 10:05:13 my game ^ isn't publish on ovistore . .. so this is why i ve try to publish to extras Mar 22 10:05:33 but noone care of problems for non-free Mar 22 10:05:42 alright Mar 22 10:05:56 so i think this is the same for other developers Mar 22 10:05:59 So I gues the apps/game on ovi now are done via special contract with nokia? Mar 22 10:06:14 basically yeah Mar 22 10:06:16 sio2interactive have stop making game for maemo Mar 22 10:06:24 seemed like rovio were going to get some content in the store Mar 22 10:06:43 but then the level pack for angry birds was put up, pulled off, put up again, pulled off again, and has now vanished Mar 22 10:06:56 and many other pro developer will not do game too for maemo Mar 22 10:07:04 yeah, cause apparently APT has no built-in DRM Mar 22 10:07:07 hmm Mar 22 10:07:09 (and thanks god it doesnt) Mar 22 10:07:14 i'm still not sure what to do with sygic Mar 22 10:07:20 the problem isn't apt Mar 22 10:07:21 download from torrent Mar 22 10:07:34 registration can be done without drm Mar 22 10:07:40 download from torrent and send them as much as i think it is worth paying for it Mar 22 10:07:49 Wonder what game engine Rovio uses for angry birds Mar 22 10:07:50 or just buy it for a full price Mar 22 10:08:07 =) Mar 22 10:08:09 look at my game Mar 22 10:08:13 i didn't use drm Mar 22 10:08:20 just a registration key Mar 22 10:08:28 drm is little bit pointless Mar 22 10:08:33 and any registration Mar 22 10:08:43 * thresh thinks games should be free Mar 22 10:08:55 i didn't understand what they didn't do similar things for the ovistore Mar 22 10:09:14 there are people that just crack that sort of things for fun Mar 22 10:09:29 thresh, free source code .... yes ... other not Mar 22 10:09:49 free source code? Mar 22 10:09:52 the hopeful guy in me has fingers crossed that after the qt upgrade we'll see a major new ovi store revision that includes all the promised stuff like application updates, as well as a working maemo store Mar 22 10:09:53 pointless Mar 22 10:10:19 you know that doing game is really long ... difficult, and an independant dev cann't do it alone ... Mar 22 10:10:29 jacekowski, you are pointless Mar 22 10:10:37 Speaking personally. At times I have serious cashflow problems - I have not had the heating on this winter, and it's been down to 5C in here - hence I will not pay for stuff, I download pirated copies, and then make a list of stuff I've enjoyed - and purchase stuff from the same authors when I'm able to. Mar 22 10:10:44 have you seen any opsn source game that? Mar 22 10:10:52 have you seen any successfull open source game? Mar 22 10:11:04 jacekowski, yes Mar 22 10:11:07 name Mar 22 10:11:10 jacekowski: openttd Mar 22 10:11:10 :P Mar 22 10:11:13 depends on your definition of succesful, but yes loads Mar 22 10:11:16 jacekowski: nethack Mar 22 10:11:17 Nexus Mar 22 10:11:27 Freeciv Mar 22 10:11:32 bzflag! Mar 22 10:11:35 Battle for Wesnoth Mar 22 10:11:36 nethack, freeciv, hell even TA:spring, if by succesful you mean played and enjoyed a lot Mar 22 10:11:36 based on already existing game Mar 22 10:11:52 not nethack :) Mar 22 10:12:00 Doom even. Mar 22 10:12:05 DNF! most successfull game EVAH Mar 22 10:12:52 tybollt, LOL Mar 22 10:12:57 Bleh, nidO, I agree with you, hope they pull their act together, because...yea. Mar 22 10:19:34 ugh, fs totally destoyed after fsck :D Mar 22 10:26:12 ShadowJK: that's because you did it online Mar 22 10:26:31 ShadowJK: or did something equally stupid Mar 22 10:26:37 ShadowJK: use tune2fs to do it Mar 22 10:26:37 No, I did it before /home was mounted Mar 22 10:26:51 how do you know? Mar 22 10:27:08 /home is mounted quite early Mar 22 10:28:58 let me check.. Mar 22 10:30:16 hi all, can I get recomandation on what upnp server to install on my desktop to server music to my N900? Mar 22 10:30:23 jacekowski, it wasn't mounted Mar 22 10:30:40 I put the fsck in /etc/events.d/rcS-late Mar 22 10:30:56 cityLights2 - whats os Mar 22 10:30:59 and just now I put a cat /proc/mounts > /mounts.log, which confirms home wasn't mounted at that point Mar 22 10:31:19 nid0: gentoo Mar 22 10:31:31 sorry was obvius to me I use linux Mar 22 10:32:22 I mean most ppl here surely use linux and have a favorite upnp server Mar 22 10:32:37 you've got a huge choice then, mediatomb is a decent option Mar 22 10:33:20 nidO, mediabomb you say. That works well with the N900 then? Mar 22 10:33:23 ShadowJK: why are you doing that anywas? Mar 22 10:33:42 jacekowski, because it was mildly corrupted after a "random reboot" Mar 22 10:33:43 ShadowJK: and home should be mounted already when rcS-late is invoked Mar 22 10:33:49 it isn't Mar 22 10:33:57 because the command that mounts it is in rcS-late Mar 22 10:34:18 mece i've only tested it briefly and it worked, for day to day here though my fileserver runs w7 and just uses wmp's upnp server Mar 22 10:34:44 if i would be hacking my device in that way i would hack it to use reiserfs Mar 22 10:35:23 The only hacking is trying to make it fix its corrupted fs Mar 22 10:35:52 That is the only hacking I've been doing Mar 22 10:41:47 nidO, ok, I'll test it at home. Did it require lots of confing? Mar 22 10:45:03 not particularly, can just fire it up and go using defaults if you have sqlite running, or setup a mysql db and user - beyond that it's essentially just plugin the media folders to add Mar 22 10:46:15 is it just me or does neverball look like it's made for the N900? Mar 22 10:46:26 http://neverball.org/screenshots.php <- accelerometer heaven Mar 22 10:47:06 scripting question , can I use [ -z $DEVICE ] && DEVICE=tap0 ? Mar 22 10:47:34 or should I [ x$DEVICE == x ] && DEVICE=tap0 Mar 22 10:47:38 ? Mar 22 10:47:40 mece: more like nightmare Mar 22 10:47:45 mece: it's hard with a keyboard Mar 22 10:47:47 mece: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=16773 Mar 22 10:47:56 cityLights2, I think you need bash for that. Mar 22 10:48:23 wrong link, try this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47466 Mar 22 10:48:42 I want to run this on the maemo with no bash to set a default value Mar 22 10:50:31 IIRC -z is valid on bsh Mar 22 10:50:35 so yeah try that Mar 22 10:51:10 although I'd use a full fledged if-statement Mar 22 11:04:20 hi kid babes Mar 22 11:04:27 naemo is still live Mar 22 11:04:31 alive Mar 22 11:04:54 incredible Mar 22 11:05:01 does anybody know where are the sms's stored? Mar 22 11:05:09 or the recent calls Mar 22 11:05:11 who's persian? Mar 22 11:05:15 or the contacts Mar 22 11:06:58 hmm... Mar 22 11:08:43 brody: .osso-abook Mar 22 11:09:19 cool thx Mar 22 11:16:11 * Arif_ yawns Mar 22 11:17:35 Arif_, have some coffee Mar 22 11:20:05 eww Mar 22 11:20:06 coffee Mar 22 11:21:15 so it seems I can't just flash the mmc image Mar 22 11:21:28 * ShadowJK ponders trying to hack rcS-late to format /home instead ;D Mar 22 11:26:28 ShadowJK, eh, why? Mar 22 11:27:35 instead of flashing rootfs and emmc to fix corrupted /home Mar 22 11:28:10 hmm Mar 22 11:29:16 is it posible to force maemo to update its music metadata cache ? Mar 22 11:37:01 find . -name "*mp3" | xargs touch ;#maybe? Mar 22 11:37:23 tracker-processes -r ? ;p Mar 22 11:40:01 tracker-processes -r sounds harsh ... Mar 22 11:41:04 it just removes the databbase.. Mar 22 11:41:32 but then I'll have to reboot to make it build new ones Mar 22 11:41:45 you could just open the media player too... Mar 22 11:41:52 ;p Mar 22 11:42:00 haha, ok. I'll try it Mar 22 11:42:03 cato, tracker-processes --help Mar 22 11:43:00 there was reindex option at least in my version. Mar 22 11:44:35 yes, it did it Mar 22 11:44:37 thansk Mar 22 11:44:40 -k Mar 22 11:45:18 the joy of knowing useless commands Mar 22 11:45:18 \o/ Mar 22 11:46:48 Hi everyone! Is there an easy way to set a custom autocomplete dictionary for a specific gtk Entry? Mar 22 11:47:38 I wish I could get a Turkish dictionary.. Mar 22 11:50:22 turn by turn navigation in US going to be available soon? any eta? Mar 22 11:50:54 Sygic? Mar 22 11:52:06 was at their site the other day it said for Europe Mar 22 11:52:19 it was released for usa like a day after launch Mar 22 11:53:38 hrm wonder what i was reading them lol.. Mar 22 11:53:45 http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/how-to-buy.html Mar 22 11:54:09 select maemo then you get a choice of eu russia middle east africa, or north central and south america Mar 22 11:55:06 thanks dude Mar 22 11:57:20 for some reason im not able to reactivate the keyboard at debian lxde after returning from maemo enviroment Mar 22 11:57:27 any ideas why? Mar 22 12:10:12 is there a car mount for the n900? Mar 22 12:10:23 or perhaps a generic that is known to fit? Mar 22 12:10:25 Not from nokia Mar 22 12:10:32 At least, I don't think so Mar 22 12:10:55 I have a generic from dealextreme that fits. Mar 22 12:10:56 I have a mount that works Mar 22 12:10:57 i have seen one Mar 22 12:10:59 It is very bulky though Mar 22 12:10:59 its not nokia Mar 22 12:11:00 however, it sucks to use Mar 22 12:11:02 :( Mar 22 12:11:12 :( i want to mount it and use it as mp3 player and gps in my car lol Mar 22 12:11:16 I think I got my generic from dealextreme too speed Mar 22 12:11:20 could it be possible to chroot to some newer debian installation and have all the modules and drives from the os2008 Mar 22 12:11:28 it was originally to hold a different pmp that had gps Mar 22 12:12:44 ech0dish, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=565036&postcount=112 Mar 22 12:17:34 * RST38h moos Mar 22 12:28:34 any new news Mar 22 12:28:39 about 1.2 or meego Mar 22 12:28:51 don't think so Mar 22 12:29:02 they're both canceled Mar 22 12:29:52 and each time you ask, their release is postponed for a week Mar 22 12:30:20 from what I can tell the n900 is win with maemo 5 as is :P Mar 22 12:30:21 nah, just 5 business days :) Mar 22 12:31:02 kamui: 1.2 will be in november Mar 22 12:31:14 thats what I just read in one email Mar 22 12:31:15 haltdef, :) Mar 22 12:31:50 thresh: It requires a sacrifice! Mar 22 12:32:20 * lcuk sacrifices RST38h Mar 22 12:36:22 aww Mar 22 12:36:24 no update Mar 22 12:37:51 lcuk: You really want to get PR1.2 compiled for x86 instead of armel? =) Mar 22 12:38:22 does it come with an x86 processor for N900? Mar 22 12:38:53 No. Mar 22 12:40:25 For some things - a qemu+wine would be good Mar 22 12:40:37 Say the people having trouble running authentication apps. Mar 22 12:41:04 the apps probably will work 'ok' on a 20MHz emulated x86 Mar 22 12:41:27 SpeedEvil, wine isnt an emulator tho Mar 22 12:41:38 qemu+wine Mar 22 12:41:39 lcuk: On ARM it is Mar 22 12:44:22 hrw: jeebus Mar 22 12:44:31 I hope thats not accurate :) Mar 22 12:44:45 by november nokias next phone will most likely be out or at least announced Mar 22 12:46:30 kamui: And it will run Symbian^3! Mar 22 12:46:34 * RST38h promptly ducks Mar 22 12:46:49 that'd be great actually... Mar 22 12:47:03 now that was a ribshot :) Mar 22 12:47:04 multiboot \o/ Mar 22 12:49:52 bwhahahaha Mar 22 12:50:08 * ShadowJK managed to accidentally boot into a state where /home wasn't mounted and took the opportunity to mkfs it and restore from a backup Mar 22 12:55:02 radio users? Mar 22 12:58:18 anyone experienced that when listening to radio the screen gets spontaneously activated although you've locked it with the side button? Mar 22 12:58:42 that seems impossible to me but my friend claims he has that problem...? Mar 22 13:04:05 what radio? Mar 22 13:06:27 arif the radio app Mar 22 13:07:21 FM or internet? :P Mar 22 13:07:40 FM Mar 22 13:07:45 FM Radio Mar 22 13:07:58 nope, my phone doesn't have its own will =D Mar 22 13:08:31 right Mar 22 13:08:36 well this friend's a noob Mar 22 13:08:38 anyone experienced that when listening to radio the screen gets spontaneously activated although you've locked it with the side button? >> doesn't happen here Mar 22 13:08:41 bet he fucked up somehow Mar 22 13:08:57 tybollt, did he paint the camera black? Mar 22 13:09:11 or remove the battery cover Mar 22 13:09:19 as that does unlock the screen Mar 22 13:10:20 painting the camera black? :D Mar 22 13:10:22 * tybollt like Mar 22 13:12:41 * Arif_ paints tybollt's N900 white Mar 22 13:13:36 white? Mar 22 13:13:36 :s Mar 22 13:13:45 yes Mar 22 13:13:47 Is n900 black only btw? Mar 22 13:13:48 Apple white! Mar 22 13:15:58 * toggles_w starts preparing the trout Mar 22 13:18:25 http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/22/ktf-wants-everyone-to-bubi-bubi-video/ Mar 22 13:18:30 oh my Mar 22 13:18:38 lolwat Mar 22 13:18:41 moo wazd Mar 22 13:19:00 RST38h: heya :) Mar 22 13:19:30 why didn't the n900 have a hello kitty casing and that marketing.. Mar 22 13:19:55 Stskeeps: yeeeeah, bubi-bubi your n900 :D Mar 22 13:20:47 wazd: reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loUNoy0Qub0 which is called bubbi bears (roughly translated) in .dk Mar 22 13:20:50 :P Mar 22 13:21:01 bumbi bears? Mar 22 13:22:12 Stskeeps: ah, Gummi Bears, cartoon of my youth :P Mar 22 13:23:19 RST38h: will you come to the seminar itself btw? :) Mar 22 13:23:34 wazd: I hope so Mar 22 13:23:39 RST38h: Me and Vlad will be telling shocking truth bout Nokia and stuff :) Mar 22 13:23:43 had it had Hello Kitty case, my daugter would have stolen my phone and refused to return it Mar 22 13:24:01 wazd: Will we be able to lynch you afterwards? =) Mar 22 13:24:57 RST38h: sure :) If you will make to survive :D Mar 22 13:25:20 how can i test joikuspot without purchasing? Mar 22 13:25:34 "Gummi bears, bouncing here and there and everywhere; their adventure is beyond compare; they are the gummi bears!" Mar 22 13:25:38 *cough* Mar 22 13:25:56 yay =) Mar 22 13:26:04 * tybollt dancing now \o/ Mar 22 13:26:29 Mrs Jaffa is, err, a fan. Mar 22 13:26:54 yes, when it comes to gummi bears I'm a big fanboi Mar 22 13:28:24 tybollt: I actually heard this song in original for the first time now :) Mar 22 13:28:42 tybollt: we had a russian version :) Mar 22 13:29:07 which song? trololo? Mar 22 13:29:45 * wazd facepalms Mar 22 13:29:59 sorry Mar 22 13:30:00 :P Mar 22 13:30:08 * DocScrutinizer strikes back with teletubbies Mar 22 13:30:10 it's just that I keep listening to this trololo song all day Mar 22 13:30:15 it hypnotized me Mar 22 13:30:19 it mesmerized me Mar 22 13:30:25 and it's russian Mar 22 13:30:29 mmm gummy Mar 22 13:30:45 so you talk about music and russia and I automatically think trololo. Mar 22 13:30:56 * RST38h promptly facepalms Mar 22 13:31:06 lol Mar 22 13:31:14 XD Mar 22 13:31:39 DocScrutinizer: "Eh-oh Po!" Mar 22 13:31:43 it's soviet Mar 22 13:32:06 DocScrutinizer: What you really want is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kNTVFu7Syw Mar 22 13:32:29 No Gummi Bears there though; but lots of Cosgrove Hall stuff, Teletubbies, In the Night Garden etc. Mar 22 13:34:43 I definitely need a videoplayer for my toilet Mar 22 13:35:32 * DocScrutinizer shudders and runs to get a coffee Mar 22 13:35:43 trololo wazd? Mar 22 13:35:44 :) Mar 22 13:36:01 oh Mar 22 13:36:02 hah Mar 22 13:36:52 DocScrutinizer, N900 w/ kickstand open :p Mar 22 13:37:06 /close Mar 22 13:38:05 wazzup new in maemo today? Mar 22 13:38:06 tybollt: trololo yourself :D Mar 22 13:39:05 join #python-fr Mar 22 13:39:07 mrlfmrl Mar 22 13:39:10 http://maemoteam.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/new-maemo-5-sdk-release-5-available/ Mar 22 13:39:27 X-Fade: Oooh. Yay. Mar 22 13:39:41 Now pondering what to do with the builder. Mar 22 13:39:56 I want to suggest that I change the sdk on Wednesday. Mar 22 13:40:10 Why Wednesday? To give enough time? Mar 22 13:40:17 That will give developers a bit of time to get their current app in fremantle and fremantle-1.2 Mar 22 13:40:19 Is this with the fremantle-1.2 approach you outlined? Mar 22 13:40:23 Ah, yes. Mar 22 13:40:30 After that, apps can only go to fremantle-1.2 Mar 22 13:40:41 X-Fade: Planning to seed fremantle-1.2 with existing sources? Mar 22 13:40:56 Jaffa: Yes, will just be a copy. Mar 22 13:41:17 Most apps work just fine going forward. I've been testing that for quite a while. Mar 22 13:41:19 X-Fade: OK, so by "current app in fremantle and fremantle-1.2" you mean "last versions into fremantle" Mar 22 13:41:23 ? Mar 22 13:41:39 Now I copy everything to both repositories. Mar 22 13:42:01 After the new sdk is on the builder, I obviously can't do that anymore. Mar 22 13:42:13 X-Fade: Indeed. Mar 22 13:42:18 This only affects extras in this case. Mar 22 13:42:19 Jaffa: nice vid btw :) Mar 22 13:42:30 \o/ Mar 22 13:42:35 So if built before Wednesday, it can still get promoted to both. Mar 22 13:44:30 * DocScrutinizer hopes for wednesday to get rid of "when will pr1.2 release" treads and posts Mar 22 13:44:52 DocScrutinizer: Yes me too. Mar 22 13:45:12 Remember that we can't help that the sdk breaks things. But we do need to fix the fallout ;) Mar 22 13:45:29 * Stskeeps ponders about some packages removed Mar 22 13:45:30 We as in maemo.org vs Nokia. Mar 22 13:46:01 won't be too bad,no? Mar 22 13:46:35 Stskeeps: Which ones? Mar 22 13:47:11 X-Fade: well, it looks a little like the SDK isn't the primary place to release open source software anymore Mar 22 13:47:12 wazd: what truth? Mar 22 13:47:18 * rmrfchik is slowpoke Mar 22 13:47:22 such as gnuchess or pdf viewer etc Mar 22 13:47:43 actually I wonder how a click in minor rev of OS can break much, err anything o.O Mar 22 13:48:43 X-Fade: so i ponder if i should write a formal letter asking for sources on a CD now ;) Mar 22 13:49:04 definitely Mar 22 13:50:18 ~poke Stskeeps Mar 22 13:50:22 so, when's PR 1.2 GUyzzz?!?!?!!111??// Mar 22 13:50:33 Stskeeps: Let me check what happened there :) Mar 22 13:50:34 /kick thresh Mar 22 13:50:49 DocScrutinizer: mm? Mar 22 13:50:54 wtf, infobot on holiday again? Mar 22 13:51:17 X-Fade: it makes perfect sense from SDK pov but since those bits are not on gitorious yet, it's a bit of a regression :) Mar 22 13:51:27 Stskeeps: you completely lost me on "remove pkgs" topic Mar 22 13:52:02 DocScrutinizer: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/maemo5.0_update4_vs_maemo5.0_update5_content_changes.html Mar 22 13:52:52 oooooh, The Powers removed them Mar 22 13:53:01 I C Mar 22 13:53:06 and wonder Mar 22 13:53:29 tetex-bin?? Mar 22 13:53:42 you have no idea how many insane packages dep on that Mar 22 13:54:17 hmhm, build-depend you mean? Mar 22 13:54:23 for building the doc Mar 22 13:54:33 I guess tetex is not by default on the device? :) Mar 22 13:59:07 Heya. Mar 22 13:59:14 Stskeeps: Marcell will look into this. Mar 22 13:59:39 I was wondering: If I wasn't connected to a wLan on the n900, would it then automaticly use the SIM network thingy-which-is-so-expensive? Mar 22 13:59:53 depends on your setting Mar 22 13:59:54 I'd have to click an Accept button or such, correct? Mar 22 13:59:58 Good. :P Mar 22 14:00:15 and n900 goes well with a good data plan Mar 22 14:00:23 i paid like 300/month for a sane one :P Mar 22 14:00:30 jeez ._. Mar 22 14:00:44 it was worth it Mar 22 14:00:45 :P Mar 22 14:00:49 300 dkk, that is Mar 22 14:00:55 DKK myself. Mar 22 14:01:06 How much ya paid for yours? Mar 22 14:01:18 sweden three ftw :) Mar 22 14:01:19 I see it for 4169 (with shipment) Mar 22 14:01:23 DKK Mar 22 14:01:33 weell.. :P Mar 22 14:01:44 if you can find it with a good data plan, it would be a good combo Mar 22 14:03:14 dunno if three operates in denmark, but if they do, check them. Mar 22 14:03:26 We have got something called 3g, if that's what you referring to. Mar 22 14:06:48 http://www.3.dk/ Mar 22 14:07:06 that operator is what I have Mar 22 14:07:10 there's also an operator called "3" or "three".. Mar 22 14:07:19 3 suck :) Mar 22 14:07:37 Using Telia myself. Kinda just a normal one. Mar 22 14:07:39 They don't have GSM in their networks Mar 22 14:08:26 tybollt: huh? Mar 22 14:08:38 meh Mar 22 14:08:45 who wants GSM? :P Mar 22 14:08:49 * DocScrutinizer wonders why the hell you'd need a N900 without decent dataplan Mar 22 14:08:52 toresbe: Hi3g has disabled GSM in their networks Mar 22 14:08:54 MarcusM: i was pretty happy with telenor Mar 22 14:09:06 tybollt: meaning you can't make phone calls, only packet data connections? Mar 22 14:09:09 meaning - outside of cities - good luck using Hi3g :) Mar 22 14:09:13 er Mar 22 14:09:19 surely 3 operate that the same as in the uk Mar 22 14:09:23 toresbe: you can make phonecalls over 3g just fine Mar 22 14:09:28 and just piggyback another network when you're outside of their areas Mar 22 14:09:37 no Mar 22 14:09:45 there's no piggybacking or roaming Mar 22 14:09:49 3 in the uk only provide a 3g network, but when you're outside of it your connectivity is just passed off to Orange. Mar 22 14:09:49 that is the entire point Mar 22 14:09:56 hm? Mar 22 14:09:59 ah right. Mar 22 14:10:01 nidO: it isn't in Sweden Mar 22 14:10:08 I wouldn't call it "disabled 2g", they just don't have the equipment for it.. Mar 22 14:10:20 30€ prepaid here, for 5GB + ~2h phone Mar 22 14:10:24 i'm pretty sure i've used non-three connections here Mar 22 14:10:25 seems a bit halfassed if they dont do that, what on earth would be the point Mar 22 14:10:25 nidO: in Sweden there is no roaming inside the country between the three big players. Mar 22 14:10:46 ShadowJK: they HAD 2G initially - then they disabled it :) Mar 22 14:11:18 well Mar 22 14:11:28 lol Mar 22 14:11:37 I don't live in the contry so np for me Mar 22 14:11:38 maybe they no longer have frequencies for it :) Mar 22 14:12:32 and when it comes to data connections, three wins Mar 22 14:13:51 for web surfing I don't notice any difference between edge and 3g on N900 :( Mar 22 14:14:03 For gpodder 3g is awesome, I get 5 megabits/s Mar 22 14:14:13 and about 200-ish kbit/s on edge Mar 22 14:14:38 I get a huge difference in surfing speeds between the two, mostly because o2 uk's edge speed is l-a-m-e Mar 22 14:14:50 FIQ: no they don't, 3G still caps their connections right? I went w/ Telenor because they have no data limit on theirs. Mar 22 14:15:22 tybollt: (no national roaming) that's the standard aiui. Same here - except for O2 still using T-Mo in rural areas where they don't see profit for own BTS. They had to establish this contract thru swiss carrier's contract with T-Mo though Mar 22 14:15:41 "caps" Mar 22 14:15:52 sorry my english.. caps=? Mar 22 14:16:00 has a data transfer limit Mar 22 14:16:05 ah Mar 22 14:16:06 DocScrutinizer: uhuh, so 3 in UK doesn't own an actual net then, they jsut rent it all?= Mar 22 14:16:23 they have a 3g network Mar 22 14:16:23 i had unlimited for 199kr/month before Mar 22 14:16:27 with suprisingly good coverage Mar 22 14:16:33 now i have 5G limit for 89 Mar 22 14:16:38 but they also piggyback orange's network in areas they dont have their own Mar 22 14:16:56 so you get full national coverage with 3, its just if you're somewhere rural your connection's going through orange Mar 22 14:16:57 and that's enough for me, even at N900 Mar 22 14:17:22 tybollt: no idea about UK and 3 Mar 22 14:17:41 750MB down as of 16 march Mar 22 14:17:55 so around 3GB/month Mar 22 14:18:03 you should use more bw! Mar 22 14:18:38 i used 0.3GB/month at my old phone Mar 22 14:18:48 and that was much for me then. :P Mar 22 14:19:11 my old was a sony ericsson P1, a nice phone imo but pretty outdated nowdays Mar 22 14:19:25 * Arif_ uses about the same amount Mar 22 14:19:50 wtf is happening? Mar 22 14:20:01 were it a netsplit before? Mar 22 14:20:17 not recently Mar 22 14:20:30 I used 5GB since 2 march apparently Mar 22 14:20:31 :( Mar 22 14:20:33 nice mass-join then Mar 22 14:20:47 heh Mar 22 14:20:56 interesting thing: Mar 22 14:21:22 my brother has a broadband from three, 199 per month, a limit at 3GB ithink Mar 22 14:21:37 of the same operator (3) Mar 22 14:21:49 and i pay less and get more. :d Mar 22 14:21:50 we have great ISPs Mar 22 14:21:59 with 250MB/month limits Mar 22 14:22:00 :D Mar 22 14:22:13 nice Mar 22 14:22:24 and voip is blocked Mar 22 14:22:24 wait, wut Mar 22 14:22:29 MB? Mar 22 14:22:33 yes Mar 22 14:22:34 MB Mar 22 14:22:37 lol Mar 22 14:22:45 FIQ german mobile operators are dreadful Mar 22 14:22:59 I'm on the only unlimited dataplan in .nl Mar 22 14:23:04 nidO, Aldi talk \o/ Mar 22 14:23:11 awful contracts, awful prices, awful limits Mar 22 14:23:24 I got 5GB for 15eur Mar 22 14:23:45 guess i'm pretty lucky then Mar 22 14:23:55 unlimited data, no contract here Mar 22 14:24:05 ah Mar 22 14:24:10 the split came late then. Mar 22 14:24:30 I'm on a contract....I pay more for internet than minutes Mar 22 14:24:30 uh Mar 22 14:24:30 :D Mar 22 14:26:05 Arif_, how is 5gb unlimited lol Mar 22 14:26:13 no Mar 22 14:26:14 i would go throught that 5gb in 2 days probably rofl Mar 22 14:26:15 that was in Germany Mar 22 14:26:18 ah Mar 22 14:26:28 though oddly, 5gb in the uk is unlimited Mar 22 14:26:33 or 3gb, or 2gb Mar 22 14:26:34 hmm.. sdk/armel is updated too Mar 22 14:26:43 often carriers call 5gb unlimited in the us Mar 22 14:26:43 nidO, or 500MB? Mar 22 14:26:46 who tried upgrading n900 with sdk pacakges? Mar 22 14:26:48 yep Mar 22 14:27:05 apparently at Voda NL 250MB is unlimited too Mar 22 14:27:05 :D Mar 22 14:27:13 somehow, the advertising watchdog here decided that advertising something as unlimited then putting a limit on it is all fine and good Mar 22 14:27:19 umm that's not right Mar 22 14:27:49 the only limit I have is I get capped to 384 after 2GB usage :( Mar 22 14:28:00 didnt they squirm out of it by saying you can connect anytime Mar 22 14:28:03 tmobile doesn't seem to have the 5gb cap as far as i could tell Mar 22 14:29:31 i haven't managed to use 5gb though. Mar 22 14:29:46 n900 keeps connecting to the wifi Mar 22 14:30:14 use wlan switcher! :) Mar 22 14:30:52 don't add your wlan ap! Mar 22 14:31:23 the mouse enabling in browser is ugly Mar 22 14:31:39 perfectly fine with it defaulting to wifi speeds though Mar 22 14:32:14 my wlan sucks Mar 22 14:32:24 for some reason it takes ages to update the app manager Mar 22 14:32:31 almost only 2x faster than my 3g connections Mar 22 14:32:36 lol Mar 22 14:32:40 whats your wlan Mar 22 14:32:49 hm, that appeals for my manger too Mar 22 14:32:53 it's annoying Mar 22 14:32:57 yeah Mar 22 14:33:02 takes ages to install multiple apps Mar 22 14:33:14 I wanna install everything from games Mar 22 14:33:14 it _should_ be 24Mbit/s Mar 22 14:33:14 ;( Mar 22 14:33:33 wow Mar 22 14:33:36 you have 12Mb 3G? Mar 22 14:33:41 but it's just 6Mbit down - in an ideal situration Mar 22 14:33:58 and downloads usually goes 90KB/s Mar 22 14:34:01 yay me Mar 22 14:34:39 Not worth getting a n900 for wlan and phone use only? :( Mar 22 14:34:40 3 is going to get 21Mbit/s 3.5G btw, but that's irrelevant Mar 22 14:34:53 14mbit* Mar 22 14:35:01 hm Mar 22 14:35:05 maybe 14 Mar 22 14:35:09 but w/e Mar 22 14:35:57 ill believe that when it happens though Mar 22 14:36:54 638 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 24 not upgraded. Mar 22 14:37:05 nice set of updates for n900 Mar 22 14:37:46 638 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 24 not upgraded. Mar 22 14:37:50 hate it when that happens :/ Mar 22 14:38:15 http://hrw.pastebin.com/bximjQ5z Mar 22 14:38:24 MohammadAG: ? Mar 22 14:38:28 why? Mar 22 14:38:52 When there are non upgradable packages Mar 22 14:39:15 kernel-flasher isn't getting updated here Mar 22 14:39:23 I hate having a 1 not upgraded at the end Mar 22 14:39:27 ah.. they are upgradable probably too - a bit of manipulating Mar 22 14:40:00 hrw, why not use HAM? Mar 22 14:40:06 it's safer when doing system upgrades Mar 22 14:40:40 MohammadAG: I need to check what is going to be upgraded - sdk repos are not device friendly Mar 22 14:40:40 [15:39:38] I hate having a 1 not upgraded at the end Mar 22 14:40:48 mksh install failed befor Mar 22 14:40:48 e Mar 22 14:41:04 now i cannot upgrade, use it, even not uninstall Mar 22 14:41:09 :P Mar 22 14:41:29 guess i can do it manually Mar 22 14:41:36 but i'm too lazy for it Mar 22 14:42:19 get a new N900! Mar 22 14:42:26 making sensible backup of n900 takes time Mar 22 14:42:36 Arif_, not really helpful are you :p Mar 22 14:42:45 never am :) Mar 22 14:42:51 says a lot Mar 22 14:42:53 :p Mar 22 14:43:18 Arif_: prefer reflash if i can choose... :p Mar 22 14:43:31 mostly because I have no idea about all hte loonix stuff :D Mar 22 14:43:56 bye bye. I have to go to work to earn money for the n900 ._. Mar 22 14:44:01 Arif_, three years ago I was the same Mar 22 14:44:05 well Mar 22 14:44:18 everyone starts as a newbie Mar 22 14:44:32 i use win on my computer (only because burning a live CD failed) Mar 22 14:44:44 i don't know that much about linux Mar 22 14:44:44 I use Win7 on my desktop Mar 22 14:44:50 my tv card doesn't work on Linux Mar 22 14:44:54 ={ Mar 22 14:44:58 but i'm not a completly noob. :3 Mar 22 14:45:12 I use w7 on my desktop purely because it's the most productive workstation platform for me. Mar 22 14:45:22 yeah, that too Mar 22 14:45:24 it just works :P Mar 22 14:45:47 Arif_: dvb card? Mar 22 14:45:54 yea Mar 22 14:46:16 the card itself worked, but the CAM wasn't recognised ;( Mar 22 14:46:16 the thing i like most with linux (exept being so open) is the package manager idea Mar 22 14:46:26 * FredrIQ wished win had that Mar 22 14:46:35 run by who though Mar 22 14:46:51 a windows 7 version of marketplace? :P Mar 22 14:46:51 I uninstalled Windows more than a year ago Mar 22 14:46:57 im sure ms would love to offer it, and then imagine how much outcry there'd be Mar 22 14:47:13 what if windows goes open source Mar 22 14:47:28 * MohammadAG reads what he said and thinks he's being an idiot Mar 22 14:47:28 MohammadAG: reactos? Mar 22 14:47:29 we'd have 40 different versions of Windows only 3 people used Mar 22 14:47:32 lol Mar 22 14:47:40 oh wait....thats Linux Mar 22 14:48:18 the only reason for having 38440372 distros is because having a linux for everyone Mar 22 14:48:42 FredrIQ: is think is more than 38440372 people live Mar 22 14:48:52 i think Mar 22 14:49:09 we could have 1 distro that works for most people too Mar 22 14:49:11 hrw, is it a linux distro using wine? Mar 22 14:49:13 i think not everybody uses comuter Mar 22 14:49:20 computers* Mar 22 14:49:23 MohammadAG no Mar 22 14:49:30 MohammadAG: no, it is foss implementation of ms windows Mar 22 14:49:38 reactos is an oss o/s built entirely from scratch to mimic windows Mar 22 14:50:00 looks interesting Mar 22 14:50:03 downloading Mar 22 14:50:03 reactos... Mar 22 14:50:12 my parents would love that distro Mar 22 14:50:20 they have much in common dont they? isnt one of the key devs a wine guy, or the other way round Mar 22 14:50:28 getting the stableness of linux and the UI from windows Mar 22 14:50:38 35MBs, cool Mar 22 14:50:51 i just want the xp window manager in linux Mar 22 14:50:53 except windows is perfectly stable when looked after, and its still not a linux distro. Mar 22 14:50:57 Windows UI is crap Mar 22 14:50:57 FredrIQ, not a distro Mar 22 14:51:04 Compiz FTW Mar 22 14:51:07 hm Mar 22 14:51:15 a window manager? de? Mar 22 14:51:18 ubuntu has quirks Mar 22 14:51:29 Using GNOME Mar 22 14:51:31 err gnome Mar 22 14:51:37 :) Mar 22 14:51:41 and everyother wm has same Mar 22 14:51:44 KDE looks windows-y Mar 22 14:51:51 and it's resource heavy Mar 22 14:51:57 i like kde Mar 22 14:51:57 look!=feel Mar 22 14:52:02 : < Mar 22 14:52:11 I need moar RAM Mar 22 14:52:21 lcuk, used it before Mar 22 14:52:28 again, it's resource heavy Mar 22 14:52:36 not sure how it'd run on this i5 though Mar 22 14:52:46 .5GB Mar 22 14:52:49 eh Mar 22 14:52:50 wait Mar 22 14:52:50 oh well, installing it on ubuntu Mar 22 14:52:55 resource heavy.. Mar 22 14:53:07 fail by me Mar 22 14:53:09 depends how much resources you have Mar 22 14:53:10 :P Mar 22 14:53:23 * ShadowJK purchases sygic for maemo Mar 22 14:53:29 kde isn't that resource heavy? Mar 22 14:53:35 * MohammadAG asks ShadowJK to share it Mar 22 14:53:41 ShadowJK, its only 1.8GB! Mar 22 14:53:47 i used it on my 3-4 years old computer Mar 22 14:53:49 * MohammadAG says the last two letter's of ShadowJK's nick Mar 22 14:54:02 s/letter's/letters/ Mar 22 14:54:03 MohammadAG, I doubt the key works on more than one device? :) Mar 22 14:54:13 it won't Mar 22 14:54:18 ShadowJK, I think someone mentioned it does Mar 22 14:54:27 the key is imei dependant Mar 22 14:54:32 shame it doesn't have maps for us Mar 22 14:54:39 they do now Mar 22 14:54:41 it does Mar 22 14:54:42 us = where I live, not US Mar 22 14:54:42 :D Mar 22 14:54:59 anyway, can someone put a simple guide on what to edit and how, to customize keyb layouts? Mar 22 14:55:06 * FredrIQ wants tab Mar 22 14:55:16 * Arif_ wants Turkish characters Mar 22 14:55:21 FredrIQ, in xchat? Mar 22 14:55:31 not just there Mar 22 14:55:38 everywhere Mar 22 14:55:40 theres a turkish localization app in -testing iirc Mar 22 14:55:47 MohammadAG, can I guess Mar 22 14:55:51 yeah I have it Mar 22 14:55:56 I even did part of it :P Mar 22 14:56:02 but having tab enabled in xchat would be nice yeah Mar 22 14:56:15 oh, I would have guessed wrong Mar 22 14:56:19 but I can't type turkish characters on the hardware keyboard Mar 22 14:56:23 I always have to use the virtual one Mar 22 14:56:25 ShadowJK, guess what? :) Mar 22 14:56:32 MohammadAG, where you are Mar 22 14:56:41 :O symbian does not support ad hoc wifi connections? :( Mar 22 14:56:52 summel, it should Mar 22 14:56:57 =P Mar 22 14:56:58 it does? Mar 22 14:57:02 hey there Mar 22 14:57:11 i get "function not supported" oO Mar 22 14:57:17 haha Mar 22 14:57:23 and btw Mar 22 14:57:26 ShadowJK, my IP shows :o Mar 22 14:57:32 yes Mar 22 14:57:37 there is no way to stop/disable wlancond ? Mar 22 14:57:37 why isn't cloaking enabled? Mar 22 14:57:40 But I made a guess in my head before I checked the IP Mar 22 14:57:41 tried to get hedgewars running through ARM Debian Mar 22 14:57:53 ShadowJK, well, say what you guessed then Mar 22 14:57:58 massoud, it has to support ad-hoc.. that's how joikuspot works :) Mar 22 14:58:03 it installs fine, but trying to start it result in "floating point exception" Mar 22 14:58:06 MohammadAG, I would have started my guessing with UAE Mar 22 14:58:25 ShadowJK: i can't connect to my ad-hoc network... creating one should work, yes Mar 22 14:58:26 ShadowJK, nope, think further away Mar 22 14:58:31 is that because N900 has to little resources, a common problem or a HW fail? Mar 22 14:59:05 MohammadAG, and then your IP says Israel Mar 22 14:59:23 but i want to destroy my interface andrecreate them but the watch with wlancond wants to create the managed one Mar 22 14:59:24 fredrin, hedgewars fail Mar 22 14:59:38 FredrIQ, hedgewars fail Mar 22 14:59:52 ShadowJK, well you failed at guessing :p Mar 22 15:00:29 how do I move the widgets on the screen? Mar 22 15:00:45 with the power of your mind Mar 22 15:00:50 and your finger Mar 22 15:01:04 orbarron, failing that enter edit mode on the desktop Mar 22 15:01:04 with the stylus, it does not work Mar 22 15:01:07 nice Mar 22 15:01:10 /scratchbox/login: line 237: 3110 Segmentation fault Mar 22 15:01:14 click thr little gear icon Mar 22 15:01:14 as always :/ Mar 22 15:01:48 press bare desktop area, gear icon appears in top right, click, profit Mar 22 15:01:52 click an empty area and click the gear icon, or hold an empty area Mar 22 15:01:55 will having swap enabled kill my sd card? Mar 22 15:02:09 it might wear the flash Mar 22 15:04:06 "We will extend regional coverage in coming days with new region in every 2 or 3 days." Mar 22 15:06:47 ShadowJK, I have Sygic maps Mar 22 15:06:53 but they're for an older edition Mar 22 15:07:04 car navigation system has it Mar 22 15:07:13 does it have .il maps? Mar 22 15:08:10 yeah Mar 22 15:08:21 Arif_, and in hebrew :/ Mar 22 15:08:40 is that bad? Mar 22 15:09:35 * noobmonk3y heard the words "Segmentation Fault".... crinnnnnnnnnge.. Mar 22 15:10:03 * Arif_ segments noobmonk3y Mar 22 15:10:06 ShadowJK, I'm not installing a hebew keymap to run sygic Mar 22 15:10:27 plus I'm not that good in hebrew, so memorizing roadnames can be tedious for me Mar 22 15:11:35 ah. I live in an officially bi-lingual area, where each place has two names. It's however pretty random WHICH name gps navigation softwares decide is the "correct" one, and in most towns people only know one of them, and it turns out to be the one that gps doesn't know about Mar 22 15:11:55 lol Mar 22 15:12:15 where might that be ! Mar 22 15:12:20 ShadowJK, tri-lingual here Mar 22 15:12:21 :p Mar 22 15:12:43 whats the third? Mar 22 15:12:53 Hebrew, Arabic, English? :p Mar 22 15:12:56 English, Arabic, Hebew Mar 22 15:12:57 Arif_, west coast finland :P Mar 22 15:12:58 mortal: will reduce lifetime from 100 to 10 years Mar 22 15:13:16 ShadowJK, I didn't know Finland had two languages ;o Mar 22 15:13:47 mortal: btw swap is on eMMC, not on SD Mar 22 15:13:57 ShadowJK, the whole Middle East isn't on Sygic's site Mar 22 15:14:23 MohammadAG, they promised a new region every week or so in that massive thread on talk.maemo.org :) Mar 22 15:14:33 let's hope middle east comes :) Mar 22 15:14:45 ok thanks Mar 22 15:15:13 I'm suprised they have maps of Turkey Mar 22 15:15:27 as there are about 50 name changes every day Mar 22 15:15:28 :D Mar 22 15:15:55 Arif_, I was in Turkey more than 7 years ago Mar 22 15:15:57 who cares? Mar 22 15:16:02 loved the fact that you pay in millions Mar 22 15:16:20 3 hours left on the download Mar 22 15:16:29 I should have used my N900 to download sygic.. would have been faster :) Mar 22 15:16:30 well, you don't anymore Mar 22 15:16:45 they got rid of that in like....2004 :O Mar 22 15:16:47 or 2005 Mar 22 15:16:52 somwhere long ago :D Mar 22 15:17:57 I guess you easily get change in millions though XP Mar 22 15:19:09 DocScrutinizer, LOL Mar 22 15:23:57 * lupine_85 wonders how useful the local dns resolver actually is Mar 22 15:25:28 nothing on the N900 is very useful :p Mar 22 15:26:21 Arif_, nothing on the iPhone is useful :P Mar 22 15:26:27 oops, sdk cannot work while selinux is in enforcing mode Mar 22 15:26:30 there's nothing on the iphone Mar 22 15:26:33 lcukn900: ??? Mar 22 15:26:39 it really sucks Mar 22 15:26:47 a lot of the apps are though tbh, and most of the really useful ones dont get written for other platforms :< Mar 22 15:27:06 orbarron ? Mar 22 15:27:22 what sup orbarron Mar 22 15:27:36 * orbarron thought you had ping me :P Mar 22 15:28:42 i can if oyu like Mar 22 15:28:47 but which did you think i had said Mar 22 15:31:51 moo Arkenoi Mar 22 15:32:02 Arkenoi: Do not use SELinux =) Mar 22 15:33:29 Maemo 5 SDK 1.2 has just been released Mar 22 15:33:32 http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html Mar 22 15:34:01 RST38h, why? SELinux rulez. Mar 22 15:34:59 ptl, is it made of win? Mar 22 15:36:50 ptl: install guide still advises patching the script to make path layout reasonable :-/ Mar 22 15:37:07 Arkenoi: ! Mar 22 15:37:12 ok Mar 22 15:37:24 I just tried it and if 'failed' to upgrade scratchbox Mar 22 15:38:25 actually the script is byte similar to previous version Mar 22 15:38:34 ptl: with apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? Mar 22 15:38:56 petteri: is that really enough? I doubt so Mar 22 15:39:11 don't know. I am just wandering how to upgrade Mar 22 15:39:36 maybe I will just try Mar 22 15:43:30 argh.. dpkg returnder error, while upgrading :/ Mar 22 15:45:34 708 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 32 not upgraded. Mar 22 15:46:04 Good day to all Mar 22 15:46:15 god Mar 22 15:46:45 good... got it to upgrade using custom! Mar 22 15:46:48 wow Mar 22 15:46:56 708 new packages on scratchbox repository? Mar 22 15:47:01 damn Mar 22 15:47:09 ok, I got some conflicts while upgrading but with apt-get -f install sorted those and I am running now up-to-date scratchbox Mar 22 15:47:27 sbox... I am planning to upgrade my n900 Mar 22 15:47:28 hmm, apt got upgraded Mar 22 15:47:41 meaning it should be more crippled now Mar 22 15:47:50 I am trying through the install wizard. Mar 22 15:47:58 More crippled? Mar 22 15:48:01 Why do you think that? Mar 22 15:48:09 hmm... the menu is reworked it seems Mar 22 15:48:33 which menu? Mar 22 15:49:09 hrw: how you mean upgrading your n900? Mar 22 15:49:10 the menu what comes out when you tap on the left corner, where the application icons are Mar 22 15:49:25 huhh Mar 22 15:49:33 I use catorise on my environment Mar 22 15:49:41 you should be able to move around stuff now Mar 22 15:49:45 I'll uninstall it then Mar 22 15:49:50 is there a new firmware??? :) Mar 22 15:50:01 the menu can now be manipulated without using catorise? Mar 22 15:50:02 * DrGrov is lost Mar 22 15:50:02 nice Mar 22 15:50:20 DrGrov, no Mar 22 15:50:24 DrGrov the pr1.2 sdk software is available, not the firmware itself for the device yet Mar 22 15:50:32 Anyway to get access to root files with gpe file manager? Mar 22 15:50:37 ooOOOoo new sdk Mar 22 15:50:37 Arif_: ah, ok. i was wetting my pants almost :D lol Mar 22 15:50:55 everyone knows Nokia discontinued the N900 Mar 22 15:50:56 :P Mar 22 15:50:57 nidO: can the pr1.2 sdk be run in a linux environment? Mar 22 15:51:08 Arif_: Not everyone, the trolls get the news 2 weeks later Mar 22 15:51:23 thats because they can't read ;( Mar 22 15:51:28 ahhhhhhhhhh good point Mar 22 15:52:35 DrGrov: it runs only in linux Mar 22 15:52:47 petteri: ah, of course. silly me :( Mar 22 15:52:52 petteri: i must be lost. Mar 22 15:53:12 petteri,has the media player changed? Mar 22 15:53:23 how is when taking out the qwerty keyboard, anyone got any issues with taking out and hiding the qwerty keyboard? Mar 22 15:53:42 petteri: how could i download it for testing? anything particular dependencies needed? Mar 22 15:54:20 DrGrov: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK Mar 22 15:54:30 Arif_: it seems the same Mar 22 15:54:45 aw Mar 22 15:54:49 petteri: thank you. will download it now. Mar 22 15:55:03 I hoped they added a "share" option to the media player too Mar 22 15:55:05 ;~; Mar 22 15:55:13 lol Mar 22 15:55:24 petteri: can you check whether there is regular 3g/wlan video call? Mar 22 15:55:30 Arif_: didn;t they say they would only add share in portrait mode ;) hehe Mar 22 15:56:05 maybe they'll add symbian^3 to the N900! Mar 22 15:56:26 lol after they winish with getting windows 7 ;) Mar 22 15:56:29 finish* Mar 22 15:56:59 but Win7 has no multitasking Mar 22 15:57:00 or copy paste! Mar 22 15:57:16 * nidO blinks at his 30 open windows Mar 22 15:57:41 * Arif_ hands nidO an iPheun Mar 22 15:58:01 sweet Mar 22 15:58:07 * noobmonk3y passes Arif_ the ifruit basket.... Mar 22 15:58:15 sygic works pretty good Mar 22 15:58:16 ooo Mar 22 15:58:18 crackberries! Mar 22 15:58:22 lol!! Mar 22 15:58:33 ooo sygic the one that costs? Mar 22 15:58:43 yeah sygic works well Mar 22 15:58:44 :)) Mar 22 15:58:53 one that costs people who abide by copyright laws lol Mar 22 15:59:03 i want install it today x) Mar 22 15:59:07 caugh torrent caugh Mar 22 15:59:16 meh happy to pay but wouldnt mind a demo Mar 22 15:59:22 coughspleelingcough Mar 22 15:59:24 :D Mar 22 15:59:29 and warez is bad, m'kay Mar 22 15:59:37 you must support the creators :( Mar 22 15:59:59 must support free software Mar 22 16:00:10 down with commercial! Mar 22 16:00:22 free software mostly sucks Mar 22 16:00:23 ;D Mar 22 16:00:44 no it just gets stolen and resold with new shiny buttons Mar 22 16:01:28 * noobmonk3y wants to charge 10p for every healthchceck download... that would be £1,500 by now... darn........ (Ok take of the 14,999 who wouldnt pay lol) Mar 22 16:02:00 i would pay for joikuspot but thats about it, and only cause its 20 bucks lol Mar 22 16:02:12 I wouldn't pay 20USD for that Mar 22 16:02:13 20? lol sure i paid alot less Mar 22 16:02:13 ;P Mar 22 16:02:26 15 euro for n900 version Mar 22 16:02:29 noobmonk3y: I will pay a pound for healthcheck. Mar 22 16:02:34 have to admit i actually havnt used it yet, but on holiday soon and will need it! Mar 22 16:02:37 awwwwwwww Mar 22 16:02:39 * noobmonk3y hugs SpeedEvil Mar 22 16:02:43 noobmonk3y: If it properly reads blood glucose using the IR proximity meter. Mar 22 16:02:47 yay! Mar 22 16:03:06 SpeedEvil: when they include a needle and blood reader in a next firmware update, consider it done ;) Mar 22 16:03:23 anyone tried running backtrack on the n900 lol? Mar 22 16:03:37 I'd pay for KMplayer if it didn't suck Mar 22 16:03:38 =D Mar 22 16:04:06 ech0dish: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45472&highlight=backtrack Mar 22 16:04:23 it does suck a bit... to be fair the standard player has been fine for me Mar 22 16:04:54 the built in player is even worse :P Mar 22 16:04:55 The standard player has a few issues Mar 22 16:05:05 does it? Mar 22 16:05:06 it lacks such features as "repeat" Mar 22 16:05:14 been fine for me, i download from ip[layer and watch... works fine :D Mar 22 16:05:25 meh, dont need that so thats prob why i havnt missed it Mar 22 16:05:34 and a search button Mar 22 16:06:08 my main issue with the standard player is it's brokenness with upnp Mar 22 16:06:12 havn't amassed the porn collection as large as Arif_'s yet... so dont need search ;) Mar 22 16:06:17 and a share button :P Mar 22 16:06:23 and....and..... Mar 22 16:06:26 Arif_: only in portrait mode, lol..... Mar 22 16:06:44 noobmonk3y, I don't have any video material :( Mar 22 16:06:57 awwww .... the sun still has a customer in you :D Mar 22 16:06:58 hahaha this is the sickest shit ever, bt on a n900 rofl.. de auths to all!1! Mar 22 16:07:04 does vncviewer fails or the server? Mar 22 16:07:19 wouldnt really call it sick shit.... lemonparty..... now that is........ Mar 22 16:07:29 FredrIQ: both at times :P Mar 22 16:07:46 noobmonk3y, I do have 3000 songs....and its hard to find something when the search crashes :P Mar 22 16:07:55 ahhh good point Mar 22 16:07:58 as i without problems can connect through internet (not through 127.0.0.1) at the machine Mar 22 16:08:05 Afternoon!... anyone know if I can completely disable the screen going in to power save? (i.e. I want it to only happen if I use the switch on the side of the N900) ? Mar 22 16:08:23 but i'm unable to do it through N900 Mar 22 16:08:29 untick "lock screen automatically" Mar 22 16:08:40 @ Lantizia Mar 22 16:08:48 nidO, I don't see that - which screen? Mar 22 16:08:49 i use tightvnc Mar 22 16:08:57 settings > display Mar 22 16:09:13 FredrIQ thats part the reason I want this :) it gets annoying when using X11VNC Mar 22 16:10:01 nid0- right so it's the "lock screen automatically" that obverses the "Backlight time-out" value? Mar 22 16:10:13 nid0- and the "power saving mode" option has nothing to do with it? Mar 22 16:10:19 and i'm not on a linux machine, so no X = no X11VNC Mar 22 16:10:51 FreqrIQ - nah I mean X11VNC on the N900... you can use any vnc viewer Mar 22 16:10:57 I don't really know what the powersaving mode does but the backlight-timeout value just dims the screen after no action, then after a while longer the screen shuts down and locks Mar 22 16:11:28 ok thanks Mar 22 16:11:40 if you disable the lock, the screen just dims but is still usable Mar 22 16:12:06 maybe the power save disables the dimming ? Mar 22 16:12:11 there is a backlight app though isnt there? Mar 22 16:12:16 so you could keep it on indefinitley Mar 22 16:12:54 whats freemantle-1.2 ... I noticed it in the repo directory listings Mar 22 16:13:18 1.2 of the fremantle sdk? Mar 22 16:13:56 think I'll leave that whatever it is lol - anyway I only went digging though there... because Bounce won't install Mar 22 16:14:28 it doesn't show up in the application manger, and if I use apt-get I get ... "E: Handler silently failed" Mar 22 16:14:38 was the Bounce demo pulled? Mar 22 16:15:26 Lantizia, use the Ovi Store Mar 22 16:15:39 Nokia crippled apt, installing using apt-get isn't possible Mar 22 16:15:55 awwwwwwww Mar 22 16:15:58 MohammadAG, so bounce is only available via that now? not in extras or testing? Mar 22 16:16:07 I use apt-get all the time over SSH on the N900 Mar 22 16:16:23 Lantizia, it's only available through the ovi store Mar 22 16:16:34 [17:15:55] Nokia crippled apt, installing using apt-get isn't possible Mar 22 16:16:49 apt-get install (someappname)? Mar 22 16:17:08 FredrIQ, that works, unless that app's in the ovi store repo Mar 22 16:17:19 k Mar 22 16:17:23 same as with Jokispot's repo Mar 22 16:17:25 aah... so it's a purposeful restriction? Mar 22 16:17:35 But if you know where to download Bounce levels from, you can still install it with dpkg, right? Mar 22 16:17:43 i.e. Ovi is APT... but the apt-get tool has been modifed to not let you use apt-get with that APT repo? Mar 22 16:17:46 [17:17:51] But if you know where to download Bounce levels from, you can still install it with dpkg, right? Mar 22 16:17:54 more bounce levels? : D Mar 22 16:18:09 yeah... what extra bounce leevelS?!??S!? OMG OMG Mar 22 16:18:13 Sorry, not Bounce, Angry Birds Mar 22 16:18:13 Lantizia, yes Mar 22 16:18:16 bounce levels?!?!?! Mar 22 16:18:21 first thing, not bounce levels Mar 22 16:18:26 * RST38h cackles Mar 22 16:18:26 meeh Mar 22 16:18:40 aah... so it's a purposeful restrictio Mar 22 16:18:42 yes, and it fails Mar 22 16:18:54 i liked bounce but it has too few levels Mar 22 16:18:55 with ... E: Handler silently failed Mar 22 16:19:05 FredrIQ, you mean like... 1 Mar 22 16:19:08 ham uses ..../MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache Mar 22 16:19:16 uhm, yes Mar 22 16:19:22 cp'ing the dev from there is easy Mar 22 16:19:25 yay my english Mar 22 16:19:34 therefore piracy can't be solved by crippling apt Mar 22 16:19:41 Of course it cannot Mar 22 16:19:43 I want the 44-1 apt :( Mar 22 16:19:55 RST38h, Nokia thinks otherwise Mar 22 16:19:56 get the .deb for it :) Mar 22 16:19:57 lol Mar 22 16:20:04 You want a proper repo mechanism to distribute software securely Mar 22 16:20:12 MohammadAG: I doubt Nokia ever thought about it Mar 22 16:20:18 why don't just use a special repository and package manager for Ovi? Mar 22 16:21:08 MohammadAG: I would say, use make web server serve .debs encoded with client's MAC address and send decryption keys separately Mar 22 16:21:13 OH GOD Mar 22 16:21:24 PR1.2 menu sucks! Mar 22 16:21:28 no more more Mar 22 16:21:37 everything's trashed in the main menu Mar 22 16:21:41 whats 1.2? the next incarnation? Mar 22 16:21:45 oh wait! Mar 22 16:21:50 is it even released? Mar 22 16:21:52 you can rearrange the menu!!! Mar 22 16:21:57 lol Mar 22 16:21:59 Lantizia: yes Mar 22 16:22:04 lol! Mar 22 16:22:04 nooo Mar 22 16:22:04 MohammadAG <-- trolling as we speak Mar 22 16:22:07 it's on scratchbox Mar 22 16:22:09 calm down, guys Mar 22 16:22:10 if I swap my repo to fremantle-1.2 will I get it?! :D Mar 22 16:22:14 ah Mar 22 16:22:14 RST38h, :( Mar 22 16:22:17 Lantizia: no lol Mar 22 16:22:17 PR 1.2 is out for the scratchbox environment ONLY Mar 22 16:22:23 along with the SDK Mar 22 16:22:30 RST38h, I just updated the scratchbox, I'm not trolling :( Mar 22 16:22:35 Ahhahaha Mar 22 16:22:36 I have screenies :p Mar 22 16:22:39 Lantizia: if you download the scratchbox, then yes, you will have it on your linux machine :D Mar 22 16:22:41 but that will mean, not long until release Mar 22 16:22:45 .. I think Mar 22 16:22:46 lcuk DID try to sacrifice me :))) Mar 22 16:22:48 and... in other news... The N900 has been officially announced for my country (Brazil) Mar 22 16:22:51 does 1.2 finally fix ogg album art? Mar 22 16:22:55 * noobmonk3y already knows he has a bug in his software when run on 1.2 :( Mar 22 16:22:59 * Lantizia prays for that Mar 22 16:23:05 I need my music to look PRETTY Mar 22 16:23:18 MohammadAG: Just this morning, lcuk said he is gonna sacrifice me to get PR1.2 and I told him that he shouldn't complain about getting x86 flavor only then Mar 22 16:23:23 should I start a new thread mentioning the changes? Mar 22 16:23:31 lol Mar 22 16:23:31 MohammadAG: And GUESS WHAT? =) Mar 22 16:23:33 lol there is already one out there Mar 22 16:23:39 * RST38h strokes his crystal balls Mar 22 16:23:45 MohammadAG: Troll the forums - someone has listed changes Mar 22 16:23:49 we'll need to create a new channel #maemo-PR1.2 Mar 22 16:23:53 lol Mar 22 16:23:55 Clear device is back! Mar 22 16:23:58 lols Mar 22 16:24:20 install healthcheck on it and watch it fail please :( - want a second confirmation lol Mar 22 16:24:24 ok, browser keeps closing :( Mar 22 16:24:47 noobmonk3y, downloading Mar 22 16:24:50 yay! Mar 22 16:24:56 (cc timeless_mbp ?) Mar 22 16:25:16 DocScrutinizer, who is this "blue_led" person on the forums Mar 22 16:25:26 no idea Mar 22 16:25:32 but wasnt aimed at me lol Mar 22 16:25:33 seems to also have concluded bq27200 isn't used.. Mar 22 16:25:36 anyway ... almost home time ;D Mar 22 16:25:37 noobmonk3y, works for me Mar 22 16:25:39 but the UI fails Mar 22 16:25:40 ? Mar 22 16:25:41 Yayyyyyyy Mar 22 16:25:43 oh Mar 22 16:25:45 not so yay Mar 22 16:25:46 * timeless_mbp is sick Mar 22 16:25:48 so doesnt work? Mar 22 16:26:12 sorry to hear timeless_mbp :( Mar 22 16:26:17 get well soon mate Mar 22 16:26:24 noobmonk3y, it's half cut Mar 22 16:26:28 and everything's extra huge Mar 22 16:26:30 RST38h, your crystal balls were thrown into the fire Mar 22 16:26:30 :| Mar 22 16:26:34 you a eunuck now Mar 22 16:26:34 drunken UI? lol! Mar 22 16:26:52 * noobmonk3y waves at lcuk Mar 22 16:26:54 MohammadAG: yeah, you can rearrange Mar 22 16:26:57 or you can use catorize Mar 22 16:26:57 hiya noobmonk3y Mar 22 16:27:04 it isn't perfect and doesn't mix well w/ rearranging, but Mar 22 16:27:19 timeless_mbp, I'm talking about the web browser crashes Mar 22 16:27:41 MohammadAG: did you install crash-reporter? Mar 22 16:27:48 maemo-launcher: invoking '/usr/bin/browser.launch' Mar 22 16:27:48 browser[12469]: GLIB WARNING ** GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor - remote volume monitor with dbus name org.gtk.Private.HalVolumeMonitor is not supported Mar 22 16:27:48 maemo-launcher: opening of /usr/bin/browser.launch took 7020 usec Mar 22 16:28:00 and the crash Mar 22 16:28:08 install crash-reporter Mar 22 16:28:09 browserd[12470]: GLIB DEBUG default - wb-new:0xa194800:eal Mar 22 16:28:10 browserd[12470]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Client disconnected, KILL self Mar 22 16:28:10 maemo-launcher: child (pid=12469) terminated due to exit()=127 Mar 22 16:28:11 ok Mar 22 16:28:30 but is this sdk or device? Mar 22 16:28:35 SDK Mar 22 16:28:40 note that it doesn't look like a crash Mar 22 16:28:49 it looks like a failure to include enough packages in an update Mar 22 16:29:00 which means you should file a bug against the sdk team Mar 22 16:29:06 quickly :) Mar 22 16:29:11 presumably it's reproducible Mar 22 16:29:23 get someone to confirm, and yeah, as lcuk said, confirm and file quickly Mar 22 16:29:25 vkb was changed? Mar 22 16:29:28 note that i'm sick, so i'm done for the week Mar 22 16:29:33 yes vkb was essentially redone Mar 22 16:29:38 :( timeless_mbp Mar 22 16:30:01 ShadowJK: (bluled) no idea. (bq27k) where? pointer please Mar 22 16:30:03 microb works for me with up-to-date scratchbox Mar 22 16:30:37 it would be good now the repositoriy is coming online to have as many identified confirmed issues as possible in the trackers Mar 22 16:30:47 kept back: tablet-browser-ui Mar 22 16:30:48 MohammadAG: try fakeroot apt-get update && fakeroot apt-get dist-upgrade , so that you see that all packages are updated Mar 22 16:30:53 anyway, as far as i'm concerned, bugs in the sdk are bugs in the sdk Mar 22 16:30:55 DocScrutinizer, eh I forget, it was a 3-word reply in a silly "waaah my battery only charges to 1200mAh waaah whine whine"-thread Mar 22 16:30:55 not in the browser Mar 22 16:31:04 if you do something stupid like pinning a related package Mar 22 16:31:09 then well, you did something stupid Mar 22 16:31:14 dist-upgrade-ing Mar 22 16:31:23 I only paid attention to it since that blue_led person seems generally knowledgeable and has written detailed posts elsewhere Mar 22 16:31:33 noobmonk3y, Mar 22 16:32:01 pinning a related package? would Hildon Application Manager respect it? Mar 22 16:36:11 why I have the N900 connected to the wall charger and he still reports discharing? Mar 22 16:36:13 battery.rechargeable.is_discharging = true (bool) Mar 22 16:36:18 *why do Mar 22 16:36:30 pre-installed-documentation-rx44 is not in repository? I can't upgrade a old N810 with firmware 30 Mar 22 16:36:30 *s/ he still/ it still/ Mar 22 16:36:38 ptl: because Nokia doesn't want you to control your battery charger Mar 22 16:36:39 ShadowJK: well, yes. but a little captain obvious Mar 22 16:37:19 luke-jr: how could I change my control over my battery charger with or without this information? Mar 22 16:37:38 knowledge is power! :p Mar 22 16:38:16 ...and the power reports as discharging. Mar 22 16:38:30 ptl: because it *is* discharging Mar 22 16:38:36 did you charge it to full, leave it plugged in, and now check it? Mar 22 16:38:48 ~tell ptl about batteryfaq Mar 22 16:39:55 On N8x0 the battery is discharging throughout 50% of the charge cycle :) Mar 22 16:40:04 in tiny bits Mar 22 16:41:40 rocha: you wrote ocrfeeder, right? Mar 22 16:42:57 Can someone confirm the file manager is broken in the SDK? Mar 22 16:43:05 (top menu) Mar 22 16:43:44 MohammadAG, can you check if they added share to the media player :P Mar 22 16:44:23 Videos only have "Delete" Mar 22 16:44:34 nope Mar 22 16:44:35 musiks? Mar 22 16:44:38 bah Mar 22 16:44:43 ihu nokia.... Mar 22 16:44:55 file manager has share option Mar 22 16:45:08 yeah....that's useful Mar 22 16:45:13 Yep, petrovich no longer needed Mar 22 16:45:20 fsck share! Hope they added playlist-edit Mar 22 16:45:21 thats the same as using petrovich Mar 22 16:45:25 scrolling through 3000 files Mar 22 16:45:26 :P Mar 22 16:45:29 MohammadAG: PR 1.2 released? Mar 22 16:45:34 tybollt, SDK updated Mar 22 16:45:35 sdk is Mar 22 16:45:36 wtf? Mar 22 16:45:39 oh ok :) Mar 22 16:45:40 heh Mar 22 16:45:41 yaya Mar 22 16:45:52 File manager no longer broken, weird Mar 22 16:46:06 is there a search in file manager? Mar 22 16:46:06 btw Mar 22 16:46:43 tybollt: wrong syntax Mar 22 16:46:52 DocScrutinizer, no edit from what I can see Mar 22 16:46:53 ~wtf sdk Mar 22 16:46:55 Gee... I don't know what sdk means... Mar 22 16:47:17 my friends problem w/ the N900 that suddenly "comes alive" although he has used the disable-screen-button on the side... I now know what the problem is... Mar 22 16:47:27 he's got one of those belt pouches Mar 22 16:47:33 w/ a magnetic seal Mar 22 16:47:34 magnetic clasp Mar 22 16:47:34 easy Mar 22 16:47:38 yes Mar 22 16:47:42 nid++ Mar 22 16:48:18 tybollt: oooh fsck Mar 22 16:48:29 so my analysis is that the magnet in the belt pouch is trigguering the camera slider mechanism and the device actually thinks the camera door opened and thus activates, is that it? Mar 22 16:48:31 how the fuck does the file manager sort files Mar 22 16:48:34 seen that here as well :-S Mar 22 16:48:36 its just random Mar 22 16:48:37 ! Mar 22 16:48:44 luckily its only clasps on the bottom of the phone (when in portrait) that does it - my case is magnetic as well but the clasp is in the middle bottom (while in landscape) so doesnt screw with it Mar 22 16:48:57 anyway I told him to go get a velcro pouch - problem solved Mar 22 16:48:59 tybollt thats right but its the keyboard slider not camera slider Mar 22 16:49:14 nid, ah, sorry, of course it is, d'oh :) Mar 22 16:50:09 nidO: no, I guess it's the backlid hotswap reedswitch Mar 22 16:50:22 unmounting the uSD Mar 22 16:51:00 hello, are there any gsoc mentors here?) Mar 22 16:51:09 at least that one is much closer to the bottom surface than the kbd slide reed Mar 22 16:51:29 hmm Mar 22 16:51:29 camera is no reed at all Mar 22 16:51:31 it triggers from the top as well / more Mar 22 16:51:44 hmm Mar 22 16:52:04 with the magnet in my case, the screen will always light up if the magnet's placed over the screen in bottom right corner (in landscape) but not if its in the same place on the back of the device Mar 22 16:52:10 DocScrutinizer: ok... I got it, it discharges even when plugged. Ok... didn't know that, thanks Mar 22 16:52:11 dmesg should make clear what's going on Mar 22 16:52:21 ptl: yw Mar 22 16:52:23 yeah sec ill check it Mar 22 16:52:29 no Mar 22 16:52:31 iw Mar 22 16:52:32 !!! Mar 22 16:53:08 what does the omweather author use as nickname on here? Mar 22 16:53:12 * tybollt forget Mar 22 16:53:23 its not the cover switch Mar 22 16:53:30 Nokia-N900-02-8:~# cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch Mar 22 16:53:30 closed Mar 22 16:53:38 with a magnet lighting the screen Mar 22 16:54:27 timeless_mbp, was scrolling changed? Mar 22 16:54:46 seems snappier on the SDK (could be because of the i5 processor - which is why I'm asking) Mar 22 16:54:54 um Mar 22 16:55:01 we upgraded from an out of date gecko to 1.9.2 Mar 22 16:55:03 nidO: dmesg -> [31942.153198] slide (GPIO 71) is now open Mar 22 16:55:05 and did a lot of perf work Mar 22 16:55:15 so, it's more like 'i can't think of something that wasn't changed' Mar 22 16:55:29 rendering seems much much quicker! Mar 22 16:55:31 the browser is really much faster on the sb than before Mar 22 16:56:16 yar. thats the keyboard slider switch doing it Mar 22 16:56:37 nidO: vs [32023.805236] mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible Mar 22 16:57:15 did you get that from using a magnet? i've just tested a magnet front and back and its the slider thats tripping the screen both ways Mar 22 16:58:55 nidO: I got that from opening back co ver, rsp sliding out kbd Mar 22 17:00:29 anyway to open GPE file Manager or regular file manager with access to root files Mar 22 17:00:41 afaik not Mar 22 17:00:50 well I got a sound signal attached to *all* switch action now, so I'll notice if ever my magnetich pouch will mess with the reeds Mar 22 17:00:52 I really don't want to sit here and type out all these commands lol Mar 22 17:01:19 andrewfblack_: You know of tab-completion, right? ;-) Mar 22 17:02:16 andrewfblack_: filer requester lib is braindamaged - you'll always only get access to MyDocs and SDcard Mar 22 17:02:52 andrewfblack_: I suggest you give mc a try Mar 22 17:04:30 Jaffa in xterm? Mar 22 17:04:39 yup Mar 22 17:04:46 nope didn't know that Mar 22 17:04:49 in shell to be precise Mar 22 17:05:15 best feature ever of shell Mar 22 17:05:39 well come to thing about it I remember doing it back in the day but never thought about it because n900 doesn't ahve tab key but I do remember the tab button now Mar 22 17:05:39 give two tabs to list alternatives Mar 22 17:06:13 also works for cmd names Mar 22 17:07:47 andrewfblack_: Having 'tab' in osso-xterm's button bar is a life saver! Mar 22 17:08:33 and inability to define new qualifier keys there is a royal PITA Mar 22 17:08:43 like "Alt" Mar 22 17:09:02 Jaffa: well its kinda funny I used to work with Linux in Shell form only for years then I went away from it for about 8 years and then got N810 and got back into linux on it and now on desktops some but I forgot most the shell stuff I used to know Mar 22 17:09:09 * Jaffa nods. You can do it via gconf, I believe. Mar 22 17:09:19 Jaffa: nope Mar 22 17:09:26 PR1.2 changes, for now, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=577393 Mar 22 17:09:26 not afaik Mar 22 17:09:49 picodrive has a pretty impressive lack of tearing Mar 22 17:10:25 DocScrutinizer: http://mg.pov.lt/blog/maemo-flood.html Mar 22 17:10:28 does anyone know of a way to rotate the screen in the SDK? Mar 22 17:11:42 Jaffa: all not qualifier keys Mar 22 17:12:24 Jaffa: I know you can create new printing keys, but you can not create things like "shift" "alt" etc Mar 22 17:12:37 though there's "ctrl" by default Mar 22 17:12:57 which is largely useless as we got that on hw kbd Mar 22 17:17:52 * slackmagic is going to miss his n900 while being shipped off for replacement. Mar 22 17:18:10 Jaffa: (can not) at least I failed when I tried on N810 back when Mar 22 17:18:39 Jaffa: I doubt there changed a lot Mar 22 17:19:33 * ptl uninstalling petrovich and catorise in anticipation of PR 1.2 Mar 22 17:20:07 ptl: bah Mar 22 17:20:10 you can keep them Mar 22 17:20:14 there's very little harm Mar 22 17:20:18 they do uninstall safely Mar 22 17:20:24 with petrovich I guess so Mar 22 17:20:26 and petrovich still works in 1.2 Mar 22 17:20:36 but has no real benefit Mar 22 17:20:40 PR1.2 isn't even coming yet, is it? Mar 22 17:20:47 but since PR1.2 messes with the menus, I'd rather not risk any incompatibility from catorise. Mar 22 17:20:57 i've been using it for a while Mar 22 17:21:00 nidO: due to braindead file requester Mar 22 17:21:06 the only break i get is that reordering does something stupid Mar 22 17:21:06 MiXu-: SDK 1.2 went out, and (some?) PR1.2 changes are on it Mar 22 17:21:25 fwiw, for the task of sending files, i find petrovich easier to use than file manager Mar 22 17:21:45 anyway, i was sort of tired of the B&W look of catorise categories Mar 22 17:21:50 * DocScrutinizer thinks of replacing the original file requester .so by a patched version... Mar 22 17:21:51 Has someone figured out how to make proper filters in gmail? :| this is infant-grade stuff, only takes "To:" but not "CC:" or other fields, and there's no multiple filters, like TO: foo excluding CC: bar etc. Mar 22 17:21:57 ptl: Yeah, but that doesn't mean the firmware itself is ready yet :) Mar 22 17:22:06 Shapeshifter: eh? Mar 22 17:22:26 you can certainly do complex filters Mar 22 17:22:40 Matches: (listid:(opensolaris-code.opensolaris.org) OR list:"website-discuss.opensolaris.org" OR list:"install-discuss.opensolaris.org") Mar 22 17:22:45 MiXu-: I know, I agree, but I am anxious, and I'd get anxious when it is out, so I do not want having to recall to uninstall these 2 apps at that time Mar 22 17:22:49 Matches: (-{to:(developers@bugzilla.org) to:(rsa@soref.com) to:(josh@soref.us) from:(josh@soref.us) from:(cron daemon) from:(mozilla.dev.planning group ) bugzilla-daemon@mozilla.org bugzilla-daemon@lists.maemo.org from:(extras-cauldron-builds@garage.maemo.org) whatwg subject:(tools-discuss) from:weewar Matches: from:(bugzilla-daemon@defect.opensolaris.org) from:(bugzilla-daemon@lv-defect.opensolaris.org) listid:(x Mar 22 17:22:55 timeless_mbp: and where do I put that? Mar 22 17:23:19 'has the words' Mar 22 17:23:22 the "Create a filter" mask only has 5 fields. Mar 22 17:23:27 ah Mar 22 17:23:30 ookay Mar 22 17:23:39 that part of the ui isn't the greatest Mar 22 17:23:43 but it definitely works :) Mar 22 17:23:48 great, let's see... Mar 22 17:23:53 as you can see, i have a fairly long filter :) Mar 22 17:24:00 yep Mar 22 17:24:17 that rule is: Do this: Apply label "Personal" Mar 22 17:24:27 ptl: I know what you mean. I can't wait myself. :) Mar 22 17:24:29 basically anything which isn't any of those is \personal\ Mar 22 17:24:35 MiXu-: SDK 1.2 went out, and (some?) PR1.2 changes are on it Mar 22 17:24:38 seems like all to me Mar 22 17:24:55 nvm, nokia maps isn't on it Mar 22 17:25:56 timeless_mbp: well I'll need to figure out how to write a filter that labels all mail from the maemo-developers list with "maemo-developers" and mark them as read, except those including me in to: Mar 22 17:26:08 Shapeshifter: trivial Mar 22 17:26:10 MohammadAG: btw, saw your post, thanks for the screenshots Mar 22 17:26:30 np, thanks for mentioning PR1.2 being updated Mar 22 17:26:34 :) Mar 22 17:26:35 Shapeshifter: start w/ 'filter messages like this' Mar 22 17:28:10 Shapeshifter: how about adding a mini changelog to the "about" of the package? Mar 22 17:30:12 DocScrutinizer: I usually add the latest change to the package when building it. doesn't that show up? Mar 22 17:30:28 timeless_mbp: thanks Mar 22 17:30:49 Shapeshifter: seems to me it doesn't, in HAM Mar 22 17:32:58 DocScrutinizer: mh. maybe has something to do with py2deb. Mar 22 17:33:27 I should switch to the new thing Khertan made Mar 22 17:34:36 you could edit the generic "about" containing the verbose pgk description Mar 22 17:36:09 DocScrutinizer: mh. it's not even visible in apt-cache show alarmed Mar 22 17:37:01 for sure we can wait until meego87 til appmanager will show a separate changelog Mar 22 17:37:26 * MohammadAG is thinking of something crazy Mar 22 17:37:36 adding the SDK repo and updating the N900 Mar 22 17:37:46 Hi there all. Have had n900 connected to charger overnight, I did nothing and in the morning I have realized that all my conversations are gone. They were there yesterday. Did such a thing happen to anyone else? Mar 22 17:37:50 muhaha Mar 22 17:38:12 crs, usually a restart helps, if you haven't done that Mar 22 17:38:17 DocScrutinizer, go/no? Mar 22 17:38:40 MohammadAG: Ok, will try now. Mar 22 17:38:45 MohammadAG: well, install qemu to execute the x86 ELFs Mar 22 17:39:06 DocScrutinizer, why's that? Mar 22 17:39:11 there are ARMEL updates Mar 22 17:39:13 I think Mar 22 17:39:21 MohammadAG: I have no clue about SDK Mar 22 17:39:36 most probably asking for a brick Mar 22 17:39:42 but what the heck, I'm bored Mar 22 17:40:02 lol Mar 22 17:40:24 gooo, MohammadAG GOOOOO! :-D Mar 22 17:41:23 thenmake a youtube vid from that - eternal fame :-P Mar 22 17:42:05 lol, I don't care about fame and stuff Mar 22 17:42:22 MohammadAG: Yep, got them back. Thanks a lot. Mar 22 17:42:23 or credit etc... Mar 22 17:42:37 np, reboots solve a lot of problems crs Mar 22 17:42:49 (and sometimes create more, but that's rare) Mar 22 17:43:31 MohammadAG: That was the idea on my previous win based htc. Why I wanted n900 was because i hate restarts. :P Mar 22 17:44:21 DocScrutinizer, what'd ya know Mar 22 17:44:21 434 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 1 to remove and 43 not upgraded. Mar 22 17:44:26 I'm worried about the 43 Mar 22 17:44:31 * DocScrutinizer takes bets on whether boot will free up sufficient storage in /, or will brick the device XP Mar 22 17:45:04 DocScrutinizer, this isn't important is it The following packages will be REMOVED: Mar 22 17:45:04 mp-fremantle-generic-pr Mar 22 17:45:12 * MohammadAG laughs devilishly Mar 22 17:45:23 MUHAHA Mar 22 17:45:36 Installing Mar 22 17:45:39 * GAN900 now wants to make an Insteon/Indigo application for Maemo. Mar 22 17:45:54 * MohammadAG looks 5 minutes into the future Mar 22 17:46:06 (MohammadAG: bah, didn't work, reflashing) Mar 22 17:46:22 * DocScrutinizer cackles Mar 22 17:46:28 DocScrutinizer, minus the non-hardened security nature of Insteon it's really quite nice. Mar 22 17:46:31 w00t, teeworlds! Mar 22 17:51:32 oh and it runs well Mar 22 17:51:42 1st good native game. a bit hard to control though Mar 22 17:57:22 DocScrutinizer, unpacking Mar 22 17:57:37 MohammadAG: you are upgrading n900? Mar 22 17:57:41 (as in Preparing to replace and unpacking) Mar 22 17:57:47 petteri, indirectly, yes Mar 22 17:57:51 nooooooooooo the bugtracker link parser is failing me again Mar 22 17:57:51 seems to be working for now Mar 22 17:58:00 * javispedro uses the dark side of the force to choke the packages interface Mar 22 17:58:04 * andrewfblack_ wonders if works Slide to Unlock on Lockscreen can be changed or removed Mar 22 17:58:09 "for now" underlined twice Mar 22 17:58:18 MohammadAG: cool :) Mar 22 17:58:21 Andrewfblack, there's an app for that Mar 22 17:58:55 andrewfblack_: lol would be nice if their was my new theme doens't slide its tap/press to unlock Mar 22 17:59:10 * DocScrutinizer bets 10 bucks on epic fail ;-P Mar 22 17:59:17 upgrading n900 to sdk packages Mar 22 18:01:51 andrewfblack_: sorry, I fail to get your posts parsed Mar 22 18:02:15 DocScrutinizer: ? Mar 22 18:02:31 Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on Mar 22 18:02:31 rootfs 227.4M 222.4M 888.0k 100% / Mar 22 18:02:32 crap Mar 22 18:02:48 pfft Mar 22 18:03:17 I guess that's exactly what we'll see on real pr1.2 update too Mar 22 18:04:05 DocScrutinizer: nope - nokia will just say 'one more week' and do release in november Mar 22 18:04:10 or maybe, just maybe... nah, I should stop daydreaming Mar 22 18:04:12 jrocha? I'm interested in using some of the tech from ocrfeeder in maemo. Mar 22 18:05:09 hrw, haha, 62% free! Mar 22 18:05:17 dmj726_n900, hi Mar 22 18:05:24 dmj726_n900, what do you mean? Mar 22 18:05:47 MohammadAG: haha, mp-fremantle-generic-pr removed successfully Mar 22 18:06:07 MohammadAG: what you moved? Mar 22 18:06:16 hrw, most of /usr/share Mar 22 18:06:19 ah Mar 22 18:06:25 what does ocrfeeder do to determine text vs image? Mar 22 18:06:33 DocScrutinizer, not really, it's a meta package afaik Mar 22 18:06:45 and last time I tested, the device reboots if it's removed Mar 22 18:06:50 still waiting for my brick Mar 22 18:07:25 ~nuke optification Mar 22 18:07:26 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at optification ... B☢☢M! Mar 22 18:07:41 fix your fsckng partitoning, Nokia!!! Mar 22 18:07:45 I see that lot of apps will require rebuilding Mar 22 18:07:53 DocScrutinizer, agreed Mar 22 18:08:35 you should curse TI and memory/nand chip vendors Mar 22 18:08:50 duh, why? Mar 22 18:09:05 hrw, nokia could've used two chips Mar 22 18:09:05 how well are people finding the GPS without network assistance? Mar 22 18:09:06 or three Mar 22 18:09:08 jrocha: I'm planning to make an accessiblity app to read the text from images taken with the camera but i need it to know the difference between the text and anything else on the page. Mar 22 18:09:09 or four Mar 22 18:09:14 one for each directory Mar 22 18:09:15 I know theres a bug report Mar 22 18:09:19 /usr on a chip Mar 22 18:09:23 /var on a chip Mar 22 18:09:26 DocScrutinizer: hi Mar 22 18:09:28 MohammadAG: omap3 uses pop-on-module chip for memory+nand Mar 22 18:09:30 hi hrw Mar 22 18:09:34 /etc on a chip (ok that's more than needed) Mar 22 18:09:36 Just wondering how well its working Mar 22 18:09:37 hi cityLights2 Mar 22 18:09:48 hrw, I doubt they can't add extra ones Mar 22 18:09:49 dmj726_n900, I see Mar 22 18:09:53 C-S-B: GPS without assistance is borked for now Mar 22 18:09:59 say after I run openvpn and establish a connection I get tap0 Mar 22 18:10:02 dmj726_n900, that's kinda what OCRFeeder does Mar 22 18:10:02 I know the 256MB one will be there in all cases Mar 22 18:10:03 DocScrutinizer completely? Mar 22 18:10:04 MohammadAG: if they guy other ver of omap3 then they can Mar 22 18:10:17 C-S-B: 75% Mar 22 18:10:17 DocScrutinizer is it at the HW level or software? Mar 22 18:10:18 dmj726_n900, I need to run now but we can talk about it later Mar 22 18:10:18 I then run udhcpc to get an IP - but it doesnt work Mar 22 18:10:20 MohammadAG: they could also use faster nand chip for emmc Mar 22 18:10:21 buy*? Mar 22 18:10:22 dmj726_n900, cheers Mar 22 18:10:28 C-S-B: probably sw Mar 22 18:10:34 oopus must go now, pls answer here Mar 22 18:10:36 cityLights2, ifconfig Mar 22 18:10:51 GPS without assitance borked? Mar 22 18:10:54 it works Mar 22 18:10:56 DocScrutinizer so once fixed, I actually can expect to get non assisted gs Mar 22 18:11:03 right - I need to issue ifconfig in the script before udhcpc Mar 22 18:11:08 Would like to replace tomtom Mar 22 18:11:17 ok Mar 22 18:11:22 C-S-B: you're not going to replace tomtom because of missing mapping software, but gps works. Mar 22 18:11:26 brb (going to buy onion for soup) Mar 22 18:11:40 C-S-B: forget it Mar 22 18:11:43 C-S-B, works for me Mar 22 18:11:59 javispedro, sygic? Mar 22 18:12:03 C-S-B: you get GPS w/o assistance even now, given you had a fix (with A) last 2h, and/or you got 15min time for dl the data from sats Mar 22 18:12:33 not thinking a straight ocrfeeder app since it has to be used by blind folks Mar 22 18:12:33 ok...ping me when you are back jrocha Mar 22 18:12:34 why couldn't they put the sats nearer Mar 22 18:12:44 like, 10 metres above the ground Mar 22 18:12:46 :P Mar 22 18:12:53 C-S-B: also all this rant based on tests I did prior to last major fw update Mar 22 18:12:54 DocScrutinizer: make it 5 minutes on clear sky and I'll agree. Mar 22 18:13:09 C-S-B: if you have tomtom for a car then stay with it Mar 22 18:13:24 hrw, its a cradle/pda/gps combo Mar 22 18:13:48 and I'll be damned if I can find the pda Mar 22 18:13:52 C-S-B: you do not use tomtom pna? Mar 22 18:14:35 DocScrutinizer, seem to have gotten PR1.1.1.1 Mar 22 18:14:45 LOL Mar 22 18:14:53 1111!!!111!!11 Mar 22 18:14:56 C-S-B: working fine here, by using 'Location Test' before to launch OVI map Mar 22 18:14:59 brb Mar 22 18:15:07 location test? Mar 22 18:15:07 PR1.1.1.1.1.1? Mar 22 18:15:08 :O Mar 22 18:15:09 can someone recommend an alternative image viewer for the n900? Mar 22 18:15:19 gimp? :P Mar 22 18:15:38 if you don't mind waiting 3 mins to see a pic Mar 22 18:15:38 nah, more like gpicview Mar 22 18:15:45 I see it's not packaged Mar 22 18:15:57 MohammadAG: will there be *any* noticable changes? Mar 22 18:16:16 DocScrutinizer, on the N900? yeah, keyboard looks crippled Mar 22 18:16:25 cooooool Mar 22 18:16:34 mmm...so Ill assume the non-assisted gps issue isnt going to be fixed yet? Mar 22 18:16:37 DocScrutinizer, and it WILL brick on the next reboot Mar 22 18:16:46 I bet Mar 22 18:16:49 that should make you charge it Mar 22 18:17:11 as whenever it dings, Nokia takes a soul Mar 22 18:17:14 whats wrong with the built in picture viewer anyway Mar 22 18:17:24 and when it bricks, it'll be the apocalypse Mar 22 18:17:36 C-S-B: get the "location-test-gui" app Mar 22 18:17:39 someone hit me with a brick Mar 22 18:17:54 ~brick MohammadAG Mar 22 18:17:56 * infobot installs a bad bootloader on MohammadAG and turns MohammadAG into a brick Mar 22 18:18:12 ...I was expecting something else... Mar 22 18:18:15 not that kind of brick Mar 22 18:18:34 * Arif_ grabs part of his neighbour's house and smacks MohammadAG around with it Mar 22 18:18:47 thanks, should make me wake up Mar 22 18:18:54 nope, no mushrooms or flowers in there Mar 22 18:18:55 ={ Mar 22 18:19:03 what verbs does infobot have? Mar 22 18:19:11 ~reboot Mar 22 18:19:13 Not on your life cowboy :(, or are you using Window$? Mar 22 18:19:18 apoirier, just debug info is it? Mar 22 18:19:21 ~flash Mar 22 18:19:23 well, flash is the same as ~flashing Mar 22 18:19:28 ~flashing Mar 22 18:19:29 flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 22 18:19:37 ~meow Mar 22 18:19:38 jbot: woem Mar 22 18:19:42 :D Mar 22 18:19:43 ptl: /query infobot, üplEEAAASE Mar 22 18:20:36 C-S-B: this app searchs satellites as long as you don't stop it. So use it to get your location and only after that, launch OVI map Mar 22 18:21:17 ptl: btw it's called factoids, and there are some 100k of them Mar 22 18:21:32 apoirier, offline? Mar 22 18:22:02 DocScrutinizer, still unpacking :( Mar 22 18:22:07 expected a 5 min install Mar 22 18:22:17 ptl: ...and currently reference 116910 factoids. I'm using about 21732 kB of memory Mar 22 18:23:00 C'MON, brick already Mar 22 18:23:10 C-S-B: yes, working fine (I don't have any activated phone sim card at all) Mar 22 18:23:24 any gtk gurus working on gqview? Mar 22 18:23:49 noticed something in the SDK Mar 22 18:23:58 it no longer inverts colours Mar 22 18:24:00 apoirier, so what is this doing that the phone should? Mar 22 18:25:19 C-S-B: the problem is the OVI map app doesn't wait enough to get the satellites. There is a opened bug in the tracker. Mar 22 18:25:52 im not using ovi map, I'm using sygic now. Mar 22 18:27:33 ok. I don't know about sygic Mar 22 18:28:05 DocScrutinizer, can you check sth for me? Mar 22 18:28:15 ther's a simple workaround though: just start GPS by another app, like e.g. gpsjinni Mar 22 18:28:23 how do I search radio channels in n800? Mar 22 18:28:26 MohammadAG: not sure Mar 22 18:28:29 shoot Mar 22 18:28:42 Settings > tap title bar Mar 22 18:28:50 what does it say on the second button Mar 22 18:29:03 I'm sure it wasn't the same in PR1.1.1 Mar 22 18:29:12 enter code for sim unlocking Mar 22 18:29:19 "Enter code to remove operator lock" Mar 22 18:29:23 ah so it was changed Mar 22 18:29:30 I notice the smallest things :P Mar 22 18:29:41 well I translated it from german Mar 22 18:29:56 your L18N may vary Mar 22 18:29:59 it was something along the lines I think Mar 22 18:30:24 how do i add new radio channels in N900 Mar 22 18:30:48 namus: "add station" ? Mar 22 18:32:06 ~curse slow unpacking Mar 22 18:32:07 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, slow unpacking ! Mar 22 18:32:07 namus: (in menu) Mar 22 18:32:25 got it Mar 22 18:32:31 tahnks Mar 22 18:33:40 ah, you gotta love the PR1.2 SDK tmo thread Mar 22 18:34:44 javispedro: day off from tmo. Bliss ;) Mar 22 18:35:08 but you miss all the fun! Mar 22 18:35:15 Of course, that's because I'm a forum-hating surrender monkey Mar 22 18:35:26 I specially love the post about "someone's meego trial version running out" Mar 22 18:35:36 Oh good grief. Mar 22 18:37:01 "root memory" Mar 22 18:37:08 sounds good. Mar 22 18:37:12 I am going to patent it Mar 22 18:37:25 :/ Does PR1.2 make better use of root memory? Mar 22 18:37:29 LOL Mar 22 18:37:34 javispedro: I might drop out and let you deal with the lot of 'em. Mar 22 18:37:38 didn't look before pasting Mar 22 18:37:41 Muwhahahahaha Mar 22 18:37:50 MohammadAG, you'll have 4GB root! Mar 22 18:38:06 I'd rather have 4 spears in me atm Mar 22 18:38:09 :p Mar 22 18:38:16 that can be arranged Mar 22 18:38:31 Arif_, oh please, nothing from you Mar 22 18:38:41 aww Mar 22 18:38:44 Jaffa: ah, as you can see, I'm from the "requiring-another-registration-also-servers-as-noise-filter"camp :D Mar 22 18:39:11 javispedro, I showed some changes, and posted that if I could find any more I'll post them, now they're asking for stuff that's was confirmed (as not coming) and stuff that needs PR1.2 on the N900! Mar 22 18:39:22 DocScrutinizer, PR1.1.1.5 Mar 22 18:39:25 MohammadAG: YOU SHOWED THEM CHANGES!! Mar 22 18:39:53 now they're going to ask you for more until they dry the last drop of blood from you Mar 22 18:40:06 And expect you to code them. Mar 22 18:40:06 * MohammadAG is turning pale Mar 22 18:40:21 MohammadAG, does PR1.2 run andoird apps? Mar 22 18:40:26 :D Mar 22 18:40:27 iphone apps? Mar 22 18:40:42 lol Mar 22 18:40:45 * MohammadAG makes a script that has rm -rf / and publishes it Mar 22 18:40:47 javispedro: Evil! You're trying to keep the prolateriate unde the thumb of The Man. Mar 22 18:40:52 Win 7 FTW Mar 22 18:40:57 javispedro, yeah, you can fart all you want Mar 22 18:41:02 got mIRC working Mar 22 18:41:10 Ooooh, PR1.2 can run Windows 7 apps? Mar 22 18:41:11 /fart? Mar 22 18:41:15 VDVsx, Windows 7 port for N900 in PR1.2! Mar 22 18:41:27 Windows 7 to run Maemo 5 apps! Mar 22 18:41:55 DocScrutinizer, SETTING UP!!! Mar 22 18:42:04 Actually, because MeeGo will run on x86, does that mean I'll be able to run Windows 7 apps on my N900 when it gets the developer build of MeeGo later this month? Mar 22 18:42:13 LOL Mar 22 18:42:17 I should *so* kick off that rumour. Mar 22 18:42:18 yes. Mar 22 18:42:26 rofl Mar 22 18:42:37 will N900 run Crysis? Mar 22 18:42:45 Jaffa, 574 users online, take out the bots, one of them will post it somewhere Mar 22 18:42:55 * javispedro is always impressed at the "more recent sw X version => more speed" common belief Mar 22 18:42:55 Arif_, no, but it WILL blend! Mar 22 18:43:02 \o/ Mar 22 18:43:10 * MohammadAG points to the oldversion.com slogan Mar 22 18:43:31 javispedro, everyone knows how fast Vista is compared to XP! Mar 22 18:43:42 MohammadAG: Oooh, twitter'd be good for that. Mar 22 18:43:54 should I tweet it? Mar 22 18:43:56 :D Mar 22 18:44:03 LOL Mar 22 18:44:11 Arif_: Yeah, and I'll RT ;) Mar 22 18:44:14 Jaffa, nuhuh, you are NOT dropping out. Mar 22 18:44:22 or open a facebook group Mar 22 18:44:22 Jaffa, you on twitter? Mar 22 18:44:31 Arif_, oh god Mar 22 18:44:38 GAN900: Yuhuh. You watch me dude :p Mar 22 18:44:44 onfiguration file `/etc/mce/mce.ini' Mar 22 18:44:44 ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation. Mar 22 18:44:44 ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version. Mar 22 18:44:48 * javispedro makes DrNokWin7 Mar 22 18:44:49 SO IT WILL SHOOT LASERS!!! Mar 22 18:44:50 MohammadAG: http://twitter.com/jaffa2 Mar 22 18:45:02 Jaffa, my threat to Texrat can be redirected your direction. :P Mar 22 18:45:08 GAN900: Or maybe I won't then Mar 22 18:45:23 Jaffa, followed :) Mar 22 18:45:42 MohammadAG: ta :) Mar 22 18:45:46 Setting up location-daemon (0.98-1+0m5) ... Mar 22 18:45:49 javispedro, it must have zeemote support! Mar 22 18:45:50 wonder why that was updated Mar 22 18:46:13 MohammadAG: Changelog: "bumped version number" ;) Mar 22 18:46:18 (joking) Mar 22 18:46:18 how do i overclock the N900 to 5.00GHz? Mar 22 18:46:26 :p Mar 22 18:46:47 set CPUCl0kz0r=600 to 5000 :P Mar 22 18:46:49 More serious question: anyone have any ideas for getting random student laptops up & running for Maemo dev for a hack day? VM is most obvious, installed on a bunch of USB sticks Mar 22 18:46:55 I already have some -273C cooling substances Mar 22 18:46:58 shame physics doesn't allow more Mar 22 18:47:08 Damn physics. Mar 22 18:47:22 Jaffa, a loonix live cd with the rest on USB? Mar 22 18:47:25 Arif_, now that's what I call 1337 4ax0ring Mar 22 18:47:48 Arif_, you do realize the SDK is large Mar 22 18:47:48 indeed! Mar 22 18:47:58 USB sticks are 16GB Mar 22 18:48:05 I'm not expecting it to be that large..... Mar 22 18:48:12 The whole Fremantle SDK is around 3 - 4 GiB iirc Mar 22 18:48:18 (debug symbols and the lot) Mar 22 18:48:19 and how do you propose he installs the casper-rw file? Mar 22 18:48:30 no idea Mar 22 18:48:33 whats that? :P Mar 22 18:48:50 Casper Red White ?? o.O Mar 22 18:48:51 http://terreptik.soup.io/post/44492295/Bild :) Mar 22 18:49:10 winner of the day. Mar 22 18:49:19 * Jaffa 'll have to investigate this evening and post for UK-based Maemo peeps to be involved if they want. Mar 22 18:49:21 if it was Wind00z you could just make a ghost image Mar 22 18:49:30 Why does N900 require a net connetion to access 127.0.0.01? Mar 22 18:49:40 the browser does Mar 22 18:49:51 because its retarded? :D Mar 22 18:49:52 there's a tmo bug about that Mar 22 18:50:02 ShadowJK: thats what I'm asking why does browser require it Mar 22 18:50:06 486,380 items, totalling 4.9 GB Mar 22 18:50:10 iirc the browser-ui was patched not to require connection for localhost or file:// urls Mar 22 18:50:16 but maybe not 127.0.0.1 Mar 22 18:50:16 firefox sometimes does that too on linux distros with NotworkManager :) Mar 22 18:50:50 MohammadAG, 8GB sticks are like 5 euro :D Mar 22 18:51:05 Arif_, it's not the stick that's important, it's the filesystem it uses! Mar 22 18:51:11 MohammadAG: Ta Mar 22 18:51:27 file:// seems to work file just not localhost Mar 22 18:51:28 if he uses the normal live CD installs to USB, it won't work on a FAT32 stick Mar 22 18:51:28 Arif_: Yeah, but someone'll have to pay for 'em :p Mar 22 18:51:40 you could use microSDs too Mar 22 18:51:49 most people should have a 8+GB one :D Mar 22 18:51:51 MohammadAG: Reformat the stick for booting Mar 22 18:51:51 *Facepalm* Mar 22 18:52:51 Jaffa, ext3 should work Mar 22 18:53:00 but I doubt the automated installs allow that Mar 22 18:53:23 MohammadAG, your 1.2 thread killed the site Mar 22 18:53:28 MohammadAG: Hmm, will have a look Mar 22 18:53:33 Arif_, happy to help Mar 22 18:53:41 the site really needed killing Mar 22 18:53:41 :D Mar 22 18:53:47 someone should... Mar 22 18:53:53 ~nuke TMO database Mar 22 18:53:54 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at TMO database ... B☢☢M! Mar 22 18:54:12 fedora has a tool to convert livecd into usb boot key, with an overlay of choosable size for r/w ext3 storage.. on fat32 Mar 22 18:54:16 aufs or similar Mar 22 18:54:40 same as ubuntu Mar 22 18:54:55 which is why I said "automated" :) Mar 22 18:55:05 I wanted to do it on my 8GB stick Mar 22 18:55:45 * javispedro opens 100 "disappointment with N900" threads Mar 22 18:55:58 * Arif_ replies to all of them with agreement Mar 22 18:56:19 I am dissapointed - my n900 cannot fly itself to me when I lose it. Mar 22 18:56:21 * Arif_ adds "LOL BUY EYEPHONE THEN" to all posts Mar 22 18:56:45 thread #59: The N900 sucks because Nokia didn't give me a free girlfriend with it. Arif_: LOL BUY EYEPHONE THEN. Mar 22 18:56:55 Damn, that would be cool. Mar 22 18:56:56 http://www.rotarywoofer.com/ Mar 22 18:57:03 Four tiny models of that. Mar 22 18:57:08 In the corners. Mar 22 18:57:09 javispedro, iPhone has a girlfriend app Mar 22 18:57:35 DocScrutinizer, guess what didn't get upgraded Mar 22 18:57:36 Arif_, is that a straight copy of some creepy app originating from jp? Mar 22 18:57:37 you need to invest $1000 in it every month Mar 22 18:57:44 or it'll start screeching non stop Mar 22 18:57:53 you tell me Mar 22 18:57:59 the binaries x.x Mar 22 18:57:59 javispedro moo Mar 22 18:58:01 http://pastebin.com/Jq8bnrvg Mar 22 18:58:06 yo Mar 22 18:58:10 afternoon RST38h Mar 22 18:58:17 ShadowJK, probably Mar 22 18:58:33 the way to stop hearing your girlfriend app is to simply return to iphone to the kitchen and retire to the den Mar 22 18:58:42 oh for crying out loud, what is this >.> no google talk for linux Mar 22 18:58:51 are we living in the middle ages, google? Mar 22 18:59:03 autoremoving MUHAHAHAHA Mar 22 18:59:03 btw, N900 doesn't need anti-molester apps. Just put your N900 in your panties, when the molester starts he'll think you're a dragqueen and go molest someone else Mar 22 18:59:05 MohammadAG: all the closed source pkgs Mar 22 18:59:19 OMG THEY FIXED THE KEYBOARD Mar 22 18:59:26 OMG THEY DID? Mar 22 18:59:31 the guestures are back? Mar 22 18:59:38 As in, they neutered it? Mar 22 18:59:40 No Mar 22 18:59:46 lol Mar 22 18:59:49 щьпб 1ю2 шы щге, Mar 22 18:59:49 :| Mar 22 18:59:51 it is now completely exact to the iphone one? Mar 22 18:59:51 oh well Mar 22 19:00:12 he said fixed Mar 22 19:00:12 DocScrutinizer, they can be restored right? Mar 22 19:00:14 not fucked up Mar 22 19:00:27 Arif_, he used Nokia's term for f***ed up Mar 22 19:00:28 MohammadAG: no idea Mar 22 19:00:39 bummer Mar 22 19:00:40 oh well Mar 22 19:00:48 nokia's term for fucked up is target manhattan Mar 22 19:00:54 :P Mar 22 19:01:02 nah, they use the word FIXED Mar 22 19:01:05 or IMPROVED Mar 22 19:01:13 makes you wonder why tmoers still wait for the update if the only they know for sure that comes with it (because they saw a photo of it!) sucked! Mar 22 19:01:13 I usually see WONTFIX Mar 22 19:01:33 so do I Mar 22 19:01:47 coincidence? :P Mar 22 19:02:40 yeah, both of you have eyes Mar 22 19:02:49 Site's slow as **** Mar 22 19:02:56 MohammadAG: my guess is they won't play nicely with 1.2 Mar 22 19:02:56 I guess I did kill it Mar 22 19:03:34 lol http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ytorvCxRjxo/STmcSqHSCFI/AAAAAAAAAKU/V7XrK5U3yk0/n900.png Mar 22 19:03:34 stop spreading rumors! Mar 22 19:03:42 * DocScrutinizer puts the 10 bucks back into the wallet Mar 22 19:03:52 omg the pr 1.3 update in app mgr! Mar 22 19:04:02 z0mg Mar 22 19:04:07 does it have silverlight? Mar 22 19:04:22 it says it comes with free n930 Mar 22 19:04:41 it says it needs 500MB rootfs! Mar 22 19:04:44 they also fix the small rootfs issue Mar 22 19:04:49 Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have Mar 22 19:04:49 requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable Mar 22 19:04:49 distribution that some required packages have not yet been created Mar 22 19:04:49 or been moved out of Incoming. Mar 22 19:04:51 I knew it Mar 22 19:04:58 ... by silently replacing the kernel with FreeDOS. Qt works on everything! Mar 22 19:05:08 LOL Mar 22 19:05:20 New Qt 4.9 works on DOS! Mar 22 19:05:26 with 16 color sweetness Mar 22 19:05:40 it needs a PC speaker emulator though :( Mar 22 19:06:07 dont worry, bill gates will personally call you up everytime it needs to make a sound. i just got off the phone to him myself Mar 22 19:06:07 lololol Mar 22 19:06:09 he said "beep" Mar 22 19:06:34 heh Mar 22 19:06:41 bill gates narrating commander keen \o/ Mar 22 19:06:43 hehe Mar 22 19:07:20 Arif_, ask at #Qt if it runs on DOS :D :D ihihih Mar 22 19:07:29 DocScrutinizer, REFLASH :p Mar 22 19:07:30 /server -m..... Mar 22 19:07:42 * javispedro ponders if he really chose a good day to promote drnoksnes to -testing Mar 22 19:07:44 I need a new vhost though :P Mar 22 19:07:51 shouldnt we have dos widgets by now Mar 22 19:08:01 javispedro, so YOU killed the site Mar 22 19:08:06 MohammadAG: fix partitioning en passant, while you're about to flash anyway ;-P Mar 22 19:08:12 or other random *OS widgets (based on amiga OS - since thats the one true one lol) Mar 22 19:08:25 I want a pong widget Mar 22 19:08:28 =} Mar 22 19:08:31 the site munged MY package thus I exacted revenge on the site! Mar 22 19:08:34 DocScrutinizer, I think this is the 4th time this week Mar 22 19:08:37 does talk work for anyone else? Mar 22 19:08:45 and by week I mean from the start of the week Mar 22 19:08:49 dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/microb-engine-common_20091230-1.9.2-6.8+0m5_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/microb-engine/chrome/en-US/locale/en-US/pippki/validation.dtd', which is also in package microb-engine-common-ext Mar 22 19:08:55 someone forgot to test pacakges... Mar 22 19:09:20 or maybe they moved files around Mar 22 19:09:21 can people test/validate/file any sdk bugs please :) Mar 22 19:09:29 * VDVsx wants Qt on the spectrum Mar 22 19:09:42 lcuk: I can do that but after PR 1.2 will be released for people Mar 22 19:09:46 Qt just got ported to the Comodore 64 I heard Mar 22 19:10:06 but only the SDK is available :( Mar 22 19:10:12 sure hrw, but MohammadAG and yourself seem to be investigating things already Mar 22 19:10:44 lcuk: sure, but if I start reporting bugs then PR1.2 will really be released in november Mar 22 19:11:05 heh, then make notes Mar 22 19:11:11 better let nokia release 1.2 in bad state and work fast on 1.2.1 which will fix errors Mar 22 19:11:29 <|R> hehe fix that damn SIP ;) Mar 22 19:11:39 I had 32MB free on / and it was not enough for upgrade Mar 22 19:11:45 OMG talk is down :D Mar 22 19:11:54 hrw, Nokia and fixing things? Mar 22 19:11:56 * lcuk runs around screaming Mar 22 19:12:00 * Arif_ blinks Mar 22 19:12:11 * |R sacrifices a goat Mar 22 19:12:19 mmm, goat Mar 22 19:12:28 shurrup Arif_ ~600 public bugs confirmed, triaged identified and fixed Mar 22 19:12:28 * Arif_ makes döner from it Mar 22 19:12:34 VDVsx: See, we got our wish! Now everyone will have to use mailing lists and IRC. Or we'll shoot them. Mar 22 19:13:00 Jaffa, eheheh, and make multiple accounts :D Mar 22 19:13:19 where is my irc to tmo thread conversion thingy? Mar 22 19:13:31 i want to post here in irc and have it direct on tmo (with replies :P) Mar 22 19:13:38 the forums are back! Mar 22 19:14:08 lcuk, +1 Mar 22 19:14:13 lcuk: sure, but if I start reporting bugs then PR1.2 will really be released in november Mar 22 19:14:18 2012 Mar 22 19:14:23 be more specific Mar 22 19:14:27 MohammadAG: ;d Mar 22 19:15:19 lcuk: IRC to webforum bridge means the end of the internet as we know it! Mar 22 19:15:20 I still havent found a changelog for v35 of N95 8GB Mar 22 19:15:21 :D Mar 22 19:15:28 lcuk: you're just trying to exclude people with the artificial barriers like "email client" and "IRC thingybob" Mar 22 19:15:48 omg, you know what Mar 22 19:15:58 we are missing the most important bridge of all Mar 22 19:16:15 the community members using myspace! Mar 22 19:16:31 myspace?:P Mar 22 19:16:33 the solution here is clearly ship a "just point me to the nearest textbox where I can write about my very important opinion" icon in n900 app launcher. Mar 22 19:16:48 javispedro, twitter? Mar 22 19:16:52 I still havent found a changelog for v35 of N95 8GB Mar 22 19:16:52 desktop widget? Mar 22 19:16:57 it's in the logs omsehwere Mar 22 19:16:59 somewhere* Mar 22 19:17:01 javispedro, Mar 22 19:17:04 actually /dev/null, but that's an implementation detail the user shouldn't know. Mar 22 19:17:12 Jaffa: (wish) good thing :-D Mar 22 19:17:17 Arif_, found it! MohammadAG: Changelog: "bumped version number" ;) Mar 22 19:17:25 javispedro: isn't that called brainstorm? :P Mar 22 19:17:28 :D Mar 22 19:17:32 sounds about right Mar 22 19:17:34 every line should be simulaposted across irc, twitter, facebook, tmo, google news and myspace Mar 22 19:17:48 like lawnmower man Mar 22 19:17:57 lcuk, dont forget everyone in your MSN contact list Mar 22 19:18:27 * lcuk doesnt use msn anymore Mar 22 19:18:34 Robot101: touché :) Mar 22 19:18:40 MohammadAG: did it work? Mar 22 19:19:07 Shapeshifter, the brickification? yeah Mar 22 19:19:12 * MohammadAG made a new word Mar 22 19:19:17 javispedro: I actually quite respect the Pidgin upstream, someone set up a brainstorm and they were quick to have it marked as unofficial, unsupported, and not a way to actually get the developers to pay any attention to you Mar 22 19:19:52 its all about expectation management :) Mar 22 19:20:12 turns out if you make april fools blogs about features that some people want, they get really worked up with you too Mar 22 19:20:16 amateurs Mar 22 19:20:30 the should've let the brainstorm stand but ignore every entry either way :) Mar 22 19:20:32 brainstorm... terrible idea with even worse implementation Mar 22 19:21:03 http://resiak.livejournal.com/60614.html Mar 22 19:21:04 :P Mar 22 19:21:11 DocScrutinizer, seen this https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/moebian-devel/2010-March/000012.html ? Mar 22 19:21:46 why is there no brainstorming improvements brainstorm> Mar 22 19:21:47 Hmm. Sygic doesn't seem bad at first glance. Gotta try tomorrow while driving. Mar 22 19:22:07 MiXu-: too bad that there is no demo ver ;( Mar 22 19:22:10 oh my download just completed :) Mar 22 19:22:40 * Arif_ sneds hrw sygicmobileinstaller.deb Mar 22 19:23:18 Arif_, me me me Mar 22 19:23:21 :P Mar 22 19:23:31 it's useless for me anyways :P Mar 22 19:23:36 brb Mar 22 19:23:44 you could look at maps for different regions! :P Mar 22 19:23:53 Robot101: awesome feature! Mar 22 19:24:04 Just came in, so hrw: What feature? .d Mar 22 19:24:05 :D Mar 22 19:24:11 20:19 < Robot101> http://resiak.livejournal.com/60614.html Mar 22 19:24:46 hrw: yeah Mar 22 19:24:48 hrw: the comments are the depressing bit Mar 22 19:25:05 is the kitten head customizable ? :D Mar 22 19:25:29 it is! Mar 22 19:25:35 How :O Mar 22 19:25:38 you can choose between your average ugly green box Mar 22 19:25:43 hrw: like, it's a joke, obviously, posted on april 1st, and there are people saying the telepathy developers should die in a fire because we don't take security seriously!!! etc Mar 22 19:26:07 clearly, your security has not enough head kittens. Mar 22 19:26:28 Robot101: users... Mar 22 19:26:43 but, but that feature is pretty cool :) Mar 22 19:27:35 Robot101: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2008/04/01/moving-to-london/ and then read post linked at the end of it Mar 22 19:27:52 VDVsx: /me keeps meaning to make bonsaikittens for ebay. A kitten toy - with a couple of servos to twitch it a bit Mar 22 19:28:42 SpeedEvil: if you manipulate the motors in the right way, you won't even need a speaker to make it meow. Mar 22 19:28:51 hm april fools. Mar 22 19:29:26 jokes are outdated these days. outright plan evilness is the cool thing now! Mar 22 19:29:55 gconftool-2: I've been haxored to use xml::/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults as the config source. Mar 22 19:29:55 for example they could delete the bugtracker link from each and every extras package forcing every developer to reupload it Mar 22 19:29:59 ;D Mar 22 19:30:05 i'm sure it would be seen as funny Mar 22 19:30:34 javispedro: maemo extras needs someone who will do NMU instead of inventing new and new qa steps Mar 22 19:31:03 ah, nmus on extras Mar 22 19:31:47 what is a sense on having to reupload pacakges jsut because 'cli icon is required since 5 minutes ago' Mar 22 19:31:55 argh Mar 22 19:32:35 well, everyone can do an nmu in extras Mar 22 19:32:38 :) Mar 22 19:32:48 finding someone to do it for you, on the other side ;() Mar 22 19:32:54 Hi, I'm trying to install this: http://iskuri.org/niklas/blogi/2010/shake-to-wake/ Mar 22 19:32:59 Python script Mar 22 19:33:41 but i don't know how to put something in this directory: /home/user/shake/shake.py Mar 22 19:33:49 can anyone help me out? Mar 22 19:35:01 also, i saved the script from the browser, so now it's named .html Mar 22 19:35:12 if i just rename it to.py, will that work? Mar 22 19:35:34 bennypr0fane, that script is a proof of concept thing Mar 22 19:35:43 and requires a package around it Mar 22 19:35:47 to be useful Mar 22 19:35:52 hm Mar 22 19:35:55 Does the n900 have built-in mms yet? (In an update or such) Mar 22 19:36:06 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Mar 22 19:36:06 post a comment on the guys blog asking him to add it so you can install directly from app manager Mar 22 19:36:07 MarcusM no Mar 22 19:36:10 time to reboot Mar 22 19:36:18 beenypr0fane: Ever thinking it will come? Mar 22 19:36:19 sssssssssrch ffmms Mar 22 19:36:25 oops Mar 22 19:36:30 search for fmms Mar 22 19:36:37 javispedro: Read about that, but was wondering if they've updated it since then. Mar 22 19:36:57 it will most probably not ever get mms.. Mar 22 19:37:01 MarcusM, frals has been busy working away and others too :) Mar 22 19:37:14 lcuk: Good to know :P Mar 22 19:37:16 MarcusM: mms support is probably one of those things which will happen in 2013y device Mar 22 19:37:20 pling wat? Mar 22 19:37:29 speak of the devil! Mar 22 19:37:49 hrw: Oh gawd. Kind of weird they didnt make it for the n900. Mar 22 19:37:51 yes, fMMS is awesome etc Mar 22 19:37:54 i fr[tab]'ed you and didnt get a result lol Mar 22 19:38:00 (that was the topic, right? ;D) Mar 22 19:38:08 hehe Mar 22 19:38:14 yes frals we were discussing your ascention Mar 22 19:38:31 back, with crippled firmware Mar 22 19:38:48 any idea how to reinstall mp-fremntle-generic-pr? Mar 22 19:38:53 humm. Mar 22 19:38:54 MohammadAG_: apt-get install Mar 22 19:38:57 my n900 just rebooted. Mar 22 19:39:05 aww my uptime xD Mar 22 19:39:07 no, the topic is whether frals need to be tied to a chair with a desktop computer and forced to work 25h a day to please mms users Mar 22 19:39:08 hrw broken packages Mar 22 19:39:18 MohammadAG_: so check why Mar 22 19:39:27 javispedro: :( :D Mar 22 19:39:56 ok, my n900 goes to pin input dialog and reboots Mar 22 19:39:56 hrw, any way to force the install? Mar 22 19:39:56 * Arif_ yawns Mar 22 19:39:59 Icuk can i install that script as it is now? if not, where would i find the required package? Mar 22 19:40:19 where was that file that tells you the reason for reboot? Mar 22 19:40:43 /proc/bootreason Mar 22 19:40:48 MohammadAG_: thanks Mar 22 19:41:02 sw_rst. mh Mar 22 19:41:17 Not that I want to bring it up again, but on http://www.meegosweden.com/ it says that MeeGo _will_ come to N900? Could that be correct. Mar 22 19:41:28 Shapeshifter, happens when i overload the cpu Mar 22 19:41:33 Aha! http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=554980&postcount=196 Mar 22 19:41:33 MarcusM, sort of Mar 22 19:41:34 MarcusM: a developer version, yes Mar 22 19:41:35 with things like audacity Mar 22 19:41:44 Okay, thanks. Mar 22 19:42:15 MohammadAG_: mh. so the official google talk video thing, which is kinda hidden and apparently only works when you get called, is officially rubbish :) Mar 22 19:42:33 hidden? Mar 22 19:42:41 you can call someone Mar 22 19:43:08 i'm just curious if it turns on the red light while recording Mar 22 19:43:14 as there's a pattern for that Mar 22 19:43:24 MohammadAG_: it doesn't Mar 22 19:43:44 what's the pattern for then? Mar 22 19:43:52 PatternWebcamActive i think Mar 22 19:43:57 and I mean... the interface is just completely different when you _get called_ instead of _calling_ Mar 22 19:44:05 and it caused a reboot. Mar 22 19:44:24 It almost appeared as if they forgot to remove it from the official version. Mar 22 19:44:34 Shapeshifter, how are you checking this Mar 22 19:44:43 MohammadAG_: what do you mean checking? Mar 22 19:44:57 video calls? Mar 22 19:44:59 I'm calling my n900 from my laptop using two different google-talk accounts Mar 22 19:45:04 and the other way around Mar 22 19:45:18 what fw? Mar 22 19:45:43 when the n900 gets called, the interface is different, and there's a webcam button. though when I press it, the call disconnects on both sides and after I tried this three times, the n900 rebooted. Mar 22 19:45:51 MohammadAG_: uhm, latest, the normal one Mar 22 19:46:09 that doesn't have video calls Mar 22 19:46:11 officially Mar 22 19:46:25 MohammadAG_: is it there because of "extra protocols plugin"? Mar 22 19:46:51 no Mar 22 19:47:08 by default u can't call someone Mar 22 19:47:25 no? why can I? Mar 22 19:48:04 idk Mar 22 19:48:11 no video call option here Mar 22 19:48:14 aw Mar 22 19:48:26 so control panel applets can't be user/ packages? Mar 22 19:48:37 MohammadAG: well yeah. but if you call it from pidgin or so, you'll have a webcam button Mar 22 19:48:51 didn't know that Mar 22 19:48:52 MohammadAG: doesn't work if you call _from_ the n900, but to Mar 22 19:49:31 what I learned today: never update to SDK packages Mar 22 19:49:34 it eats babies Mar 22 19:49:46 you kinda saw it comming though. Mar 22 19:50:18 yeah, should've had a bet with DocScrutinizer Mar 22 19:50:24 if it didn't work, he'd pay me Mar 22 19:50:25 :P Mar 22 19:50:33 MohammadAG: now you owe him 10 internets? Mar 22 19:51:07 MohammadAG: huh? I placed my bet on *fail* Mar 22 19:51:22 DocScrutinizer, I should've placed it on fail Mar 22 19:51:24 :p Mar 22 19:51:35 * MohammadAG likes the green reflashing bar on the N900 screen Mar 22 19:51:46 reflashing again, just to see it fill up Mar 22 19:52:12 you should record it! Mar 22 19:52:19 yeah, and youtube it! Mar 22 19:52:29 so I can watch it! Mar 22 19:52:34 Arif_, how old are you again? you have the thoughts of a 10 year old :P Mar 22 19:52:45 12 :D Mar 22 19:52:48 nah Mar 22 19:52:53 1? Mar 22 19:53:00 6? Mar 22 19:53:11 so, this rebooting the device when "overloading the cpu" is actually "wanted" behavior? why not just kill the offending process. Mar 22 19:53:13 unborn Mar 22 19:53:20 MohammadAG & Arif_ take it outside Mar 22 19:53:29 Shapeshifter, could be the watchdog Mar 22 19:53:34 crashanddie, apologies Mar 22 19:53:46 Shapeshifter: "overloading the cpu" certainly does not cause reboots Mar 22 19:53:53 Still, can anyone brief me on how to put a file into a directory that is not accessible via the file manager? (/home) anyone? Mar 22 19:53:57 valdyn: that's what he said. Mar 22 19:53:58 valdyn, it does here Mar 22 19:54:17 again, it happens with apps like audacity Mar 22 19:54:36 bennypr0fanem use XTerm and type mv file_location new_location? Mar 22 19:54:59 my while true;do true;done isnt causing a reboot Mar 22 19:55:05 bennypr0fane, if you don't like XTerm use gpe-filemanager Mar 22 19:55:10 i think its running out of ram that might cause this Mar 22 19:55:55 Shapeshifter: said who? Mar 22 19:55:56 so like swapoff -a causes a reboot Mar 22 19:56:10 DocScrutinizer: MohammadAG Mar 22 19:56:16 MohammadAG it's not about liking, it's just that i don't know the commands..... Mar 22 19:56:30 ~bash Mar 22 19:56:31 sh-compatible command language interpreter. URL: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/, or ugly, or another word for a 'do' Mar 22 19:56:39 bennypr0fane: ^^ Mar 22 19:56:42 mv /path/to/file new_location Mar 22 19:56:44 is gpe GUI-based? Mar 22 19:56:46 bennypr0fane: mc Mar 22 19:56:52 so take foo for example Mar 22 19:56:56 bennypr0fane, yes Mar 22 19:57:01 bennypr0fane: even comes with icon Mar 22 19:57:05 mv /home/user/MyDocs/foo /home Mar 22 19:57:06 cool Mar 22 19:57:12 that should move foo, into /home Mar 22 19:57:28 aha Mar 22 19:57:31 i see Mar 22 19:57:33 bennypr0fane, just start it with root privs when you want to move system files Mar 22 19:57:53 (to start with root privs open terminal, type root, then gpe-filemanager) Mar 22 19:57:55 i get it Mar 22 19:57:58 should start up the UI Mar 22 19:58:00 mv is move Mar 22 19:58:00 ~do Mar 22 19:58:01 * infobot doesn't do $1, or an event like a party Mar 22 19:58:10 ^^ Mar 22 19:58:15 ~party Mar 22 19:58:16 Woohoo! Bot on the loose! Mar 22 19:58:21 so is gpe preinstalled? Mar 22 19:58:21 ~loose Mar 22 19:58:23 methinks loose is the most annoying spelling error. It's LOSE you moron. Unless of course you're using loose in a Madonna sorta way. Mar 22 19:58:27 or just type mc Mar 22 19:58:32 I can't fathom why people want portrait in the browser Mar 22 19:58:34 ~mc Mar 22 19:58:35 extra, extra, read all about it, mc is Midnight Commander, a file browser for GNU. Monaco Mar 22 19:58:37 It's uselesss. Mar 22 19:58:50 GAN900: you're useless, still the world had you anyway Mar 22 19:58:57 Things are too wide 90% of the time. Mar 22 19:59:05 GAN900: we need the Apple's patented force-portrait mode switch! Mar 22 19:59:09 Nokia please license it for us! Mar 22 19:59:13 GAN900: you're too wide 90% of the time Mar 22 19:59:14 crashanddie, hey, at least I can avoid getting beaten up b Mar 22 19:59:24 by a bunch of street toughs. :P Mar 22 19:59:27 GAN900: plenty sites have text in a column that is not really wide enough for landscape mode Mar 22 19:59:40 valdyn, not really Mar 22 19:59:42 s/force-portrait/force-landscape Mar 22 19:59:42 GAN900: i'm sorry, you little wanker, they were not street toughs, they were a bunch of kids Mar 22 19:59:49 GAN900, yeah....they should've put portrait in media player & conversations first..... Mar 22 19:59:52 GAN900: :D Mar 22 19:59:52 crashanddie, worse! Mar 22 19:59:58 GAN900: www.sueddeutsche.de Mar 22 20:00:03 GAN900: slashdot.org Mar 22 20:00:08 GAN900: endless list Mar 22 20:00:14 valdyn, slashdot fits fine Mar 22 20:00:22 valdyn: that's what Ctrl+Shift+I is for Mar 22 20:00:33 valdyn, the overall content does not count as a "text column" Mar 22 20:00:39 to send a signal that tells the designer of the site to die Mar 22 20:00:40 javispedro: lets see, i didnt know that one Mar 22 20:00:45 and portrait aint any wider Mar 22 20:00:50 javispedro: hehe Mar 22 20:00:55 javispedro: that exists, it's called a paycheck Mar 22 20:00:55 So I don't see your point. Mar 22 20:01:08 javispedro: unfortunately slashdot at least no fixed layout, but thats the exception Mar 22 20:01:15 Arif_, equally useless. Mar 22 20:01:24 Arif_, you can't type in portrait. Mar 22 20:01:31 sure you can Mar 22 20:01:32 T9 Mar 22 20:01:35 :P Mar 22 20:01:36 if you have a twin brother Mar 22 20:01:36 Haha Mar 22 20:01:40 Fucking fail Mar 22 20:01:50 GAN900: maybe you just like or need huge fonts, i dont Mar 22 20:01:54 GAN900: stop bitching, go PM Mar 22 20:01:56 its really annoying to use both hands just to change a song.... Mar 22 20:02:05 valdyn, um? Mar 22 20:02:16 Arif_: that's because you're not skilled enough with one hand... Mar 22 20:02:20 valdyn, I think you're completely missing my poit. Mar 22 20:02:38 I don't want to jump around in the metro/bus :P Mar 22 20:03:11 GAN900: your point was that you "cannot fathom why people want portrait mode" Mar 22 20:03:40 valdyn, not sure what wide websites or large fonts has to do with that. Mar 22 20:04:57 GAN900: I cant that any more obvious Mar 22 20:05:02 GAN900: I cant make that any more obvious Mar 22 20:05:32 valdyn, OK then. Mar 22 20:12:03 restoring backup ;( Mar 22 20:12:04 I can't find gpe filemanager. Is this in extras testing or devel (cause i disabled these...)? Mar 22 20:12:52 bennypr0fane, you could of course find out which its in by simple process of elimination Mar 22 20:13:20 oo, drnoksnes is updated....again! Mar 22 20:20:26 bennypr0fane: try mc Mar 22 20:20:48 what's mc? Mar 22 20:20:50 konttori: anyway to remove Swipe to unlock text from lockscreen? Mar 22 20:20:53 ~mc Mar 22 20:20:54 from memory, mc is Midnight Commander, a file browser for GNU. Monaco Mar 22 20:21:26 andrewfblack_: hmm... perhaps by nulling the localization text Mar 22 20:21:34 but, for any sane solution, I think not Mar 22 20:21:55 * konttori is on daddy month, so cannot ask from devs Mar 22 20:22:02 bennypr0fane: http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?name=Midnight_Commander&faq=42&fldAuto=949 Mar 22 20:22:16 konttori: Daddy month? Mar 22 20:22:36 yeah, one moth with my little emilia while my wife goes to work Mar 22 20:22:40 Swipe to unlock looks strange on my theme now that you don't have to swipe just click Mar 22 20:22:56 konttori: you guys take turns working months? Mar 22 20:23:28 no, it's customary. I get 75% of pay from goverment for that month Mar 22 20:23:43 MohammadAG - great job on the post :D Mar 22 20:23:49 so, it's really worth taking. Mar 22 20:24:00 konttori: nice Mar 22 20:26:00 * andrewfblack_ is falling back into Gimmick Themes and needs to get to work on some real good ones again Mar 22 20:26:03 well, had emilia been born month or two later, I would have been able to enjoy month and a half, but... anyway, it's great to be able to take mind off from mundane things for a while and spend some time with the kid. Mar 22 20:26:22 Also, it's nice to be *just* a user of n900 for a change. Mar 22 20:26:28 wow, just noticed lockscreen bug is fixed. No longer stays alive when touching it frequently Mar 22 20:26:45 konttori: yeah must be nice. over here I get to take 12 weeks off when my kid is born but unless I have vacation I don' get paid Mar 22 20:26:57 we wrapped up pr1.2 before I left, so my mind is free from burden of it Mar 22 20:27:14 * andrewfblack_ makes note not to bug konttori for the next month Mar 22 20:27:28 andrewfblack_: yeah, I also had a month when emilia was born, this is just a little bit extra. Mar 22 20:27:46 lol, bug me all you want, but I certainly won't be able to help much. Mar 22 20:28:40 konttori: when my wife has our first child I wont get but 1 week off with pay because I'm saving up vaction to give to her so she can stay out longer. We work together and our company allows use to donate Vaction to other people Mar 22 20:29:03 vaction eh? Mar 22 20:29:15 lol! Mar 22 20:29:24 (lol was about the term vacation) Mar 22 20:29:38 your company might allow it, but legally in most countries that practise is illegal Mar 22 20:29:49 anyway, that makes sense andrewfblack_ . Mar 22 20:29:54 konttori: you finished 1.2? congrats Mar 22 20:30:25 * andrewfblack_ hates webchat client keeps closing it out Mar 22 20:31:11 i guess the best place to have kids is sweden still Mar 22 20:31:13 * hrw -> off Mar 22 20:33:45 sweden gives you 16 months maternal leave AND 16 months paternal leave Mar 22 20:33:48 hrw -> on ! Mar 22 20:33:51 out of which 3 months can be combined Mar 22 20:33:59 that's paid leave, too Mar 22 20:34:03 oh.. doesn't work like wonder twin powers... Mar 22 20:34:34 wonder twin powers when someone toggles hrw on? Mar 22 20:34:48 though he might come back? Mar 22 20:34:51 crashanddie: you know they dont "givea" anything Mar 22 20:35:03 givea? Mar 22 20:35:20 jive-e? Mar 22 20:35:22 that is all taken out of your salary, taxes and employment opportunities Mar 22 20:35:26 give Mar 22 20:35:30 well, yeah Mar 22 20:35:31 but still Mar 22 20:35:42 i mean, who cares, 16 frikking months leave dude Mar 22 20:35:54 that's like uni all over again Mar 22 20:35:58 paid to do nothing, and then some Mar 22 20:36:24 it is merely a lack of choice Mar 22 20:36:47 * petteri lols at pupnik Mar 22 20:38:33 just admit it, sweden is the best place to have kids Mar 22 20:38:35 hi, X-Fade Mar 22 20:38:42 move there, spit some kids out, leave Mar 22 20:38:47 how hard can it be? Mar 22 20:38:57 for you as a male, i think quite difficult Mar 22 20:39:24 He'd need some help.. Mar 22 20:39:36 well, I've got enough children bodyparts in my luggage that I can fix one up Mar 22 20:39:44 Arif_: don't we all? Mar 22 20:39:53 plus, I can always dig some up from my time in Belgium Mar 22 20:40:17 XD Mar 22 20:40:19 brb, police at the door for some reason Mar 22 20:40:23 Woot Mar 22 20:40:47 :)) Mar 22 20:40:48 I really need to stop with my inappropriate talking Mar 22 20:41:00 when I was at the hospital for my eye, this guy walks in with a massive eyepatch Mar 22 20:41:30 he sits next to me, and I teasingly said "Woah there brother, that's one massive eyepatch, what'd'they do? Add you another one?" Mar 22 20:41:45 He goes: "No, they had to remove it" Mar 22 20:41:51 lol Mar 22 20:41:53 [... awkward ...] Mar 22 20:42:03 they can remove mine too Mar 22 20:42:07 doesn't work anyway ={ Mar 22 20:42:29 Arif_: the whole 3DTV must really suck for you Mar 22 20:42:37 indeed Mar 22 20:42:43 it looks quite the same as 2D... Mar 22 20:42:53 except for the horrible chromatic aberation and bleeding Mar 22 20:44:06 there's a 3D test channel on Turksat.....and everything has weird colors in it Mar 22 20:45:10 an abberation is some idiot stealing my wages to force me to take off 16 months when i have a kid Mar 22 20:45:24 don't worry, that chromatic aberation is annoying for all of us. Mar 22 20:45:49 pupnik: you're not forced to take the parental leave if you really want to be a bad father Mar 22 20:46:12 pupnik: If you have a kid, I think you'll get to not work again on the media income alone. Mar 22 20:46:46 pupnik: plus, looking at all the sleepless nights you have to go through when having a kid, you'd be an idiot not to take some time off Mar 22 20:47:32 best xkcd to date http://xkcd.com/717/ Mar 22 20:52:17 just got a n810 in the mail today... can someone recommend a few good 'application catalogs' i should add? Mar 22 20:52:32 maemo extras should be all you ned Mar 22 20:52:38 maemo.org extras, that is Mar 22 20:52:54 is there anything else? Mar 22 20:52:55 :D Mar 22 20:53:30 maybe i did something wrong then... i've only got about a dozen apps available in 'all' and i marked extras as not disabled Mar 22 20:54:09 you should have <500 apps Mar 22 20:54:38 ah ok... i clicked refresh and now i have lots more :) Mar 22 20:56:08 why did you get an N810 anyway Mar 22 20:56:22 my osk doesn't appear anymore all of the sudden Mar 22 20:56:33 anyone experience the same thing before? Mar 22 20:58:26 because i can't afford a n900 Mar 22 20:59:08 you could've saved more ;( Mar 22 20:59:29 order mine friday :D Mar 22 21:00:34 I'm wating for a better S60v5 device to get released Mar 22 21:00:36 :P Mar 22 21:00:44 never used symbian Mar 22 21:01:56 the X6 looks nice Mar 22 21:02:01 but it has a small screen ;( Mar 22 21:02:06 what's the X6? Mar 22 21:02:15 Arif_: the n810 is still a very good device Mar 22 21:02:18 http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_x6_16gb-3109.php Mar 22 21:02:27 * haltdef still wants a phone Mar 22 21:02:38 Arif_: we really shouldn't be dissing any device running maemo Mar 22 21:02:38 * hd1 will stick to his Nexus 1 Mar 22 21:02:38 never paid any attention to maemo up until the n900 Mar 22 21:03:02 I also have an n900, but it's crap as a phone, which is a shame,because otherwise it's a great device Mar 22 21:03:03 360 x 640 pixels, 3.2 inches Mar 22 21:03:03 ew Mar 22 21:03:07 hd1: if you came here to troll, you can leave right away too Mar 22 21:03:11 crashanddie, its not that its bad...but will people still do stuff with it now maemo5/meego(later) is out Mar 22 21:03:30 Arif_: Maemo 5 has been out for what, 6 months now? Mar 22 21:03:34 don't need the phone bit to be brilliant, just a secondary function :P Mar 22 21:03:35 Arif_ i will, lol well for another 1 4months till i'm due for an upgrade Mar 22 21:03:38 14* Mar 22 21:03:41 Arif_: it didn't remove qualities from the n8x0 Mar 22 21:03:46 haltdef: then you might be happy with it Mar 22 21:04:11 the channel has really livened up in here... Mar 22 21:04:30 I'm probably not alone in wanting a pocketable internet tablet with 3G :p Mar 22 21:04:39 and it's about to go real quiet if the android trolls don't shut up Mar 22 21:05:13 * hd1 sighs Mar 22 21:05:22 hmmmm if i send a dbus query to activate the led can i create my own pattern in dbus, or am i limited by the mce patterns, such as - PatternCommunicationCall Mar 22 21:05:32 can you install unapproved apps without rooting? Mar 22 21:05:34 (android) Mar 22 21:05:51 haltdef: nope Mar 22 21:05:58 not happy with this app store being the only way to install stuff Mar 22 21:06:04 why would android users troll? Are we all batting for the same side Mar 22 21:06:10 coming from windows mobile Mar 22 21:06:21 also not as easy to port linux apps is it Mar 22 21:06:23 nice Google's hiring bond traders Mar 22 21:06:48 noobmonk3y: you need to define the pattern in mce.ini Mar 22 21:06:52 C-S-B-N900: not really Mar 22 21:07:14 CSB -- are you the Comic Strip Blogger? Mar 22 21:07:22 nope Mar 22 21:07:27 noobmonk3y, ty :) Mar 22 21:07:29 off to bed Mar 22 21:07:32 nn Mar 22 21:08:33 winmo 7 is....like an iphone from a couple years back...with all the good and bad. Mar 22 21:09:13 what's good about winMo? I've never had the pleasure of using (or writing apps for) it? Mar 22 21:09:18 i think android and maemo are both making awareness of open source. Mar 22 21:09:25 the new ui looks decent Mar 22 21:09:30 which has to be good Mar 22 21:09:32 lol Mar 22 21:09:46 DocScrutinizer - cheers :( Mar 22 21:09:48 one more refined than the other... Mar 22 21:09:50 * haltdef doesn't care about open source Mar 22 21:09:57 pity wanted to run some random tests from python, via dbus Mar 22 21:10:01 ...but winmo 7 is locked down, lacks multitasking. copy paste Mar 22 21:10:01 just stop trying to control how I use my 500 device, bastards Mar 22 21:10:02 C-S-B-N900, Android is the enemy of mobile Linux. Mar 22 21:10:06 noobmonk3y: ?? Mar 22 21:10:17 having an issue where only some of the mce' ones work... as some require the screen to be off to work Mar 22 21:10:17 gan900 why? Mar 22 21:10:55 noobmonk3y: so what. That's how they are defined Mar 22 21:11:08 C-S-B-N900, because it's not Linux. It's a kernel with Google's insanity on top. Mar 22 21:11:26 GAN900: Linux IS a kernel Mar 22 21:11:31 correction: android is the enemy of mobile gnu/linux Mar 22 21:11:31 the userland is GNU Mar 22 21:11:40 :D - just wanted to be able to run through a drop down list - which i have, and test... i think i'm going to have to learn how to blacken the screen..... Mar 22 21:11:44 hd1, no, the userland is bustybox. Mar 22 21:11:47 GAN900: Linux is nothing more than a kernel Mar 22 21:11:50 so far 4 / 8 work Mar 22 21:11:59 noobmonk3y: you're free to define your own custom patterns in mce.ini - if you're root to do that Mar 22 21:11:59 hd1, don't presume to try to lecture me on this issue. :) Mar 22 21:12:03 GAN: the userland in most Linux distros is GNU Mar 22 21:12:13 :) - yeah dont want to screw peoples mce as part of my app :D Mar 22 21:12:17 C-S-B-N900, it's taking market away from distros that actually care about compliant technologies Mar 22 21:12:19 just run through to show them whats in there :D Mar 22 21:12:23 why not? you're wrong, GAN900 Mar 22 21:12:29 and I know you are Mar 22 21:12:32 would also like to run custom patterns, ie, test different led colours Mar 22 21:12:34 Not developing their own ecosystem that's not compliant with anything else Mar 22 21:12:38 as do you (I suspect) Mar 22 21:12:41 (ie healthcheck) Mar 22 21:12:46 GAN900: Dalik is open source Mar 22 21:12:59 But it's not compatible with anything Mar 22 21:13:07 neither is maemo Mar 22 21:13:08 hd1: maemo uses busybox but coreutils and bash Mar 22 21:13:08 open source != compatible Mar 22 21:13:10 noobmonk3y: you always can access the sysfs nodes directly - if you're root Mar 22 21:13:11 :P Mar 22 21:13:23 Maemo uses GTK and Qt, which are available on everything. Mar 22 21:13:24 s/but/not/ Mar 22 21:13:26 hmm again the app wont be root, thankee though :) Mar 22 21:13:42 will stick to the current ones for now :D Mar 22 21:13:47 Davlik is limited to Android Mar 22 21:13:58 Dalik can be compiled anywhere else Mar 22 21:14:07 * GAN900 can see arguing with hd1 will never go anywhere productive. Mar 22 21:14:12 oh I leave for a few minutes and there's a debate again Mar 22 21:14:22 lol... android troll can't even spell the name of the VM Mar 22 21:14:25 hd1, so it's a good idea to break from everything else? Mar 22 21:14:26 GAN900: Davlik is not free software? Mar 22 21:14:27 I can tell you that a lot of the best stuff for maemo would be pain to port to android Mar 22 21:14:32 GAN: only because you're so thick Mar 22 21:14:40 noobmonk3y: well, that's the way the system keeps sane. Not allow user to do things like running weird patterns on indicator LED Mar 22 21:14:42 * hd1 smiles Mar 22 21:14:48 and vice versa dmj726_n900 ? Mar 22 21:15:25 hehe :D tis fair enough :D Mar 22 21:15:38 yep, porting an android app to desktop linux would be unpleas*nt Mar 22 21:15:38 allows me to run some, though so not entirely noobmonkey safe ;) Mar 22 21:16:10 Maemo forwards existing Linux desktop technologies Mar 22 21:16:18 however, porting a maemo app to debian is mostly a matter of packaging (hardware aside) Mar 22 21:16:22 well put GAN900 Mar 22 21:16:56 that is the power, and also the ball-and-chain Mar 22 21:17:47 two examples: openoffice and thunderbird. Both ran on n8x0 (maybe even 770?). Even though I truly despise people who did such ports, the simple fact that they were possible tells a lot about the platform. Mar 22 21:18:16 my mom uses oo.o on her n900. Mar 22 21:18:21 hi Mar 22 21:18:23 :o Mar 22 21:18:24 i found the difficult abiword a very happy result Mar 22 21:18:34 i've bought sygic in torrent shop Mar 22 21:19:03 and i'm not sure how to install it Mar 22 21:19:11 as there is small .deb file Mar 22 21:19:15 and lot of other files Mar 22 21:19:24 btw is there a simple print->pdf->pipe->cups server solution? Mar 22 21:19:40 without a full cups on n900? Mar 22 21:19:45 lol Mar 22 21:19:45 jacekowski: you want help in using software without license? Mar 22 21:19:52 or something equivalent? Mar 22 21:20:01 valdyn: i need help evaluating software Mar 22 21:20:07 I can't believe people who sell .debs Mar 22 21:20:14 what Mar 22 21:20:18 jacekowski: thats ridiculous Mar 22 21:20:18 It's such a burden for your customer. Mar 22 21:20:19 who does that? Mar 22 21:20:24 it would be kinds cool to print from n900 Mar 22 21:20:38 pupnik: well, lpr Mar 22 21:21:02 pupnik: i mean you could possibly create something very simple Mar 22 21:21:26 because cups is big because it talks to printers and does a lot of other stuff Mar 22 21:21:47 pupnik: thats not hard to solve Mar 22 21:22:38 I want to create a CUPS monitor that will say everything that is happening on the printer level with one out of two random female voices Mar 22 21:22:48 valdyn: would be best if someone with a cloo would do it Mar 22 21:22:49 and call it 2grlz1CUPS Mar 22 21:22:54 btw, is mbarcode supposed to work? Mar 22 21:22:55 probabl hahahah Mar 22 21:23:50 DocScrutinizer, your wish is now a burden! Mar 22 21:24:36 DocScrutinizer: Use the force wisely ;) Mar 22 21:26:07 GAN900: huh? Mar 22 21:26:19 * DocScrutinizer checks some.... Mar 22 21:26:32 DocScrutinizer: use the force, doc, and if that doesn't work, try turning it off and then on again. Mar 22 21:27:00 X-Fade: I c Mar 22 21:27:00 Shapeshifter: it does, but its camera handling is poor Mar 22 21:27:17 it stretches the image to fit the window, and can't control the focus Mar 22 21:27:22 X-Fade: not that it's been exactly a wish ;-P just an offer Mar 22 21:27:32 hahaha!!! Mar 22 21:27:37 * noobmonk3y grins n laughs Mar 22 21:28:42 software should be in english Mar 22 21:28:44 so the world can finally communicate Mar 22 21:29:27 * Trizt thought everyone knew Finnish Mar 22 21:29:36 pupnik: you can now already print from the debian chroot. Integrating with nokia closed source apps is probably not possible though Mar 22 21:29:41 lcuk Mar 22 21:29:46 * noobmonk3y prods lcuk Mar 22 21:29:48 lol Mar 22 21:29:51 * noobmonk3y learns to type Mar 22 21:30:26 typops are permitted on thumbboards Mar 22 21:30:59 noobmonk3y, hi Mar 22 21:31:06 ive got an idea i want to run past you Mar 22 21:31:10 but no time now Mar 22 21:31:15 you know how feeble my vibrate test was on healthcheck? Mar 22 21:31:25 sorted that out - it just scared me when i tested it! Mar 22 21:31:26 i dont :P Mar 22 21:31:37 noobmonk3y, speak with jaffa Mar 22 21:31:59 well, tested, and then the missus text, just as i hit test! it went on a mega vibrate for 10 seconds till the dbus call shut it down Mar 22 21:32:06 speak with Jaffa? Mar 22 21:32:13 death by vibration is possible? lol Mar 22 21:32:27 yes Mar 22 21:32:29 but least i got it working now :D Mar 22 21:32:42 but that has to strong vibration Mar 22 21:33:26 :D Mar 22 21:34:30 microlith: yeah I couldn't get it to scan any of the barcodes I have around here Mar 22 21:35:27 noobmonk3y: actually I'd not be surprised to find the vibrator isn't designed to work on 100% for extended periods of time Mar 22 21:36:06 noobmonk3y: where "extended" means like minutes here Mar 22 21:36:48 I put mine on 100% vibrate a few times Mar 22 21:36:52 it scared me, so I stopped doing it Mar 22 21:36:52 :P Mar 22 21:37:06 hehehe :D Mar 22 21:37:09 lol w00t_ Mar 22 21:37:16 my x1 no longer vibrates, just quietly clicks Mar 22 21:37:20 DocScrutinizer, access list assuming you haven't already figured it out. Mar 22 21:37:29 DocScrutinizer - yeah i agree - wasnt my idea to do it, was a phantom txt ;) Mar 22 21:37:30 w00t_: I found vibration is stronger on maybe 75% than on 100% Mar 22 21:37:42 GAN900: I figured Mar 22 21:37:58 GAN900: [2010-03-22 22:27:22] X-Fade: not that it's been exactly a wish ;-P just an offer Mar 22 21:38:07 DocScrutinizer: anything over 20% made me uncomfortable Mar 22 21:39:26 dockside, ah, missed that. Mar 22 21:41:27 highlight fail Mar 22 21:41:28 w00t_: that's what the PWM is for - make you feel comfortable with the result :-) Mar 22 21:41:44 GAN900: anyway got it Mar 22 21:42:10 :-D Mar 22 21:43:52 hmmm Mar 22 21:43:57 i've got sygic working Mar 22 21:44:48 hmhm, wonder if the mediaplayer will last one complete transatlantic flight Mar 22 21:45:34 http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/03/22/1635205/Open-Source-Is-Not-a-Democracy?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher Mar 22 21:45:35 searching for places is even more broken in sygic than ovi Mar 22 21:45:42 It's about time the open source community caught on Mar 22 21:45:46 Thank fuck for that! Mar 22 21:46:01 Corsac: yup it does Mar 22 21:46:37 Corsac: I flew from Australia (brissie) to London, with 3h stop in Bangkok, only had to charge the N900 in London Mar 22 21:47:02 Corsac: I'd recommend to get a spare bat precharged Mar 22 21:47:14 Corsac: same thing on the way back, charged it the day before I left, flew from London to Brisbane, with 2h stop in Dubai, and it had enough juice to phone for 2h after I landed Mar 22 21:47:41 The search works if you know the postal number.. Mar 22 21:47:45 how silly Mar 22 21:47:51 crashanddie: amazing Mar 22 21:48:18 I killed the Nokia headphones when I landed in London though Mar 22 21:48:23 so had to buy new ones :( Mar 22 21:48:45 Open source isn't a democracy. NEWS AT ELEVEN! Mar 22 21:49:03 shock and horror Mar 22 21:49:15 DocScrutinizer: don't have one at all :) Mar 22 21:50:40 Corsac: also, which company are you flying with? Mar 22 21:51:45 Corsac: well, if you will behave like a good passenger and don't use it when they tell you to don't use it - it will last Mar 22 21:52:12 crashanddie: KLM Mar 22 21:52:33 klm ♥ Mar 22 21:52:50 CDG-YVR via AMS Mar 22 21:53:00 Corsac: never did intercontinental with them, but they usually offer good service: if your battery runs low, take your charger and phone, and ask a flight attendant if she can plug it in somewhere for an hour or two Mar 22 21:53:22 watch a movie, then ask for it back Mar 22 21:53:25 I wonder if I should take the wall charger or only the usb key Mar 22 21:53:29 cable* Mar 22 21:53:34 wall charger Mar 22 21:53:40 they don't have USB ports in the plane, yet :P Mar 22 21:54:01 unless you have a laptop with you, in which case you can charge it that way Mar 22 21:54:11 I do Mar 22 21:54:26 but really the wall charger is the easiest solution, I always do that with my macbook if it runs out of juice Mar 22 21:54:32 might be a good idea to bring the laptop just as a power source :) Mar 22 21:54:44 or a power adaptor Mar 22 21:55:06 plug n900 to laptop plugged to the wall :) Mar 22 21:55:11 a big big power adaptor Mar 22 21:55:18 best is to fly with emirates, as they provide power sockets for everyone, even in economy (on the big boeings). If you're nice and understanding, most cabin crew will allow you to plug it in no problem Mar 22 21:56:15 yeah but I don't think emirates does CDG-YVR except with a connection in dubai? :) Mar 22 21:56:52 YVR? Mar 22 21:56:53 take a few extra batteries with you? Mar 22 21:57:09 crashanddie: BA provides sockets in some planes in economy as well Mar 22 21:57:20 jacekowski: indeed Mar 22 21:57:25 i just don't understand why their staff went on strike recently Mar 22 21:57:31 but BA's service isn't very good... especially this weekend Mar 22 21:57:44 i mean - they agreed onto specific contract terms Mar 22 21:57:54 emirates you get hot chicks rubbing themselves against you Mar 22 21:58:28 crashanddie: vancoucer Mar 22 21:58:36 s/ce/ve/ Mar 22 21:58:36 Corsac meant: crashanddie: vancouver Mar 22 21:58:50 yeah, probably not Mar 22 21:58:59 but then again, it's your own damn fault for going to vancouver :P Mar 22 21:59:19 definitely :) Mar 22 21:59:41 just take the wall charger, you'll be fine Mar 22 21:59:57 unless you're an annoying prick, they'll charge it for you, but then again, I don't expect you to need it Mar 22 22:01:03 last year I tried to gps trace the plane course but gps is too heavy on battery :) Mar 22 22:02:02 * Arif_ ponders on how crappy European flights are Mar 22 22:02:09 we don't get anything.. Mar 22 22:02:20 there should be a low powered gps that only tells you if you deviate from the flightpath Mar 22 22:02:26 ok, ok, ok, ok, ok, crap Mar 22 22:02:49 lol Mar 22 22:02:49 lcuk: and raise an alert if your course brings you near important buildings Mar 22 22:03:01 anyone around HEL next monday? ;o Mar 22 22:03:02 * noobmonk3y takes a deep breath] Mar 22 22:03:07 oooo Mar 22 22:03:12 crashanddie: Also a skydiving tutorial app. Mar 22 22:03:17 * frals looks around and glances over at mr bacon Mar 22 22:03:18 n900fly Mar 22 22:03:20 'learn to skydive in 20s' Mar 22 22:03:22 lol! Mar 22 22:03:25 oook Mar 22 22:04:06 the iPhone will do that automagically! Mar 22 22:04:11 though, I have to say, flying out from Dubai is a bit weird, because for once you look like a terrorist, being the only white kid with a suitcase full of wires and electronical equipment, in a plane full of bearded muslims Mar 22 22:04:33 heh Mar 22 22:05:00 * noobmonk3y will brb Mar 22 22:05:06 moar painkillers! Mar 22 22:05:34 * SpeedEvil1 ponders painkillers. Mar 22 22:05:43 Moved ~10 tons of soil this week Mar 22 22:05:53 you'll probably get questioned and miss your flight :( Mar 22 22:07:03 lcuk: another feature would be the network detection mode Mar 22 22:08:22 frals, i dunno yet Mar 22 22:08:38 now you mention network detection...our airport wants to count people via bluetooth Mar 22 22:08:43 Just be careful of British Airways flight attendants. Mar 22 22:08:56 I tihnk they are recruited from School cafeteria personnel. Mar 22 22:09:37 RurouniJones, last thing I saw they were making pr0n in the airplanes xD Mar 22 22:09:41 Also read the "Freefall survival guide" very funny and interesting. Mar 22 22:10:41 Arif_: that's why european flights are so cheap Mar 22 22:10:53 they're not exactly cheap Mar 22 22:11:00 Arif_: i mean - you can get from east to west for like £30 Mar 22 22:11:13 If you don't mind being abused by Ryanair Mar 22 22:11:13 NL>TR is like 200 euro in the summer Mar 22 22:11:21 if you are flexible on dates Mar 22 22:11:35 Arif_: can you be more precise Mar 22 22:11:55 Holland>Turkey is like 200+ euro in the summer period Mar 22 22:12:11 thats not what I call cheap Mar 22 22:12:14 well Mar 22 22:12:23 according to skyscanner it's 200 Mar 22 22:12:31 but for return ticket Mar 22 22:12:39 so it works out 100 for nl>tr Mar 22 22:13:13 hmm, guess its different here Mar 22 22:13:28 Right, orf to work. For those interested, enjoy the freefall research page: http://www.greenharbor.com/fffolder/carkeet.html Mar 22 22:14:18 have fun =} Mar 22 22:14:30 use skyscanner Mar 22 22:15:54 lowest price £89 for 21 jun Mar 22 22:16:13 15 jun Mar 22 22:16:28 15jun Mar 22 22:16:48 one way is 150 on June 22 Mar 22 22:16:53 return was near 300 Mar 22 22:17:01 guess its cheaper there =} Mar 22 22:17:21 * Arif_ plans on leaving somewhere in that week Mar 22 22:17:31 i've been in france last week Mar 22 22:19:34 I've been in France once Mar 22 22:19:40 I didn't really like it...={ Mar 22 22:22:16 lots of frenchmen, eh Mar 22 22:48:06 whoah **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 22 22:48:09 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 22 22:54:15 2010 Mar 22 23:10:53 ShadowJK: heh - I guess with A though Mar 22 23:13:12 yes Mar 22 23:15:29 actually sirfstar-III was top of the pile ~2 years (iirc) ago, meanwhile other chipsets are on par or even better Mar 22 23:16:28 it's a nice benchmark Mar 22 23:16:37 yup Mar 22 23:22:24 * noobmonk3y prods Khertan **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 22 23:25:21 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 22 23:44:15 2010 Mar 22 23:47:44 when the N900 is in standby mode, is the screen supposed to be completely black, or is there a way to just turn off the backlight? Mar 22 23:48:30 interesting question Mar 22 23:48:54 is n900 screen viewable without backlight in sunlight? Mar 22 23:49:01 Yes Mar 22 23:50:21 barely Mar 22 23:55:49 Hi there Mar 23 00:00:05 hey guys, is there any way to open the statusbar popup from command line ? (or by making some lines of code) Mar 23 00:14:39 I am trying to play xvid videos but can find the right app Mar 23 00:14:55 nite all, sweet dreams Mar 23 00:15:41 good enough for viewing NOKIA anyway Mar 23 00:17:03 even in dimmed room, not only in sunlight Mar 23 00:17:38 afail it's even in the specs for N900 Mar 23 00:17:46 afaik even Mar 23 00:18:26 massoud, standard media player is sufficient Mar 23 00:18:42 is there a tab on n900 Mar 23 00:18:53 err Mar 23 00:18:57 for xchat to auto complete nicks Mar 23 00:19:04 tabkey? no Mar 23 00:19:12 shortcut... Mar 23 00:19:22 C-S-B-N900: change shortcut in xchat settings Mar 23 00:19:23 i can see the lack of key. Mar 23 00:19:44 shift-space is the common suggestion Mar 23 00:19:48 sorry got disturbed and forgot I had asked a question here... lol Mar 23 00:20:06 well yes the screen is viewable without backlight, I noticed that when it rebooted Mar 23 00:20:32 it displayed the nokia splash screen without backlight Mar 23 00:20:37 C-S-B-N900: in terminal use ctrl-i Mar 23 00:21:11 [2010-03-23 01:15:40] good enough for viewing NOKIA anyway Mar 23 00:21:25 pupnik: italic terminal? Mar 23 00:21:45 what Mar 23 00:21:54 for tab Mar 23 00:22:32 you making fun of me for wanting keyboard paste with ctrl-v i bet :) Mar 23 00:22:42 C-S-B-N900: settings- advanced. kbd-shortcuts Mar 23 00:22:54 DocScrutinizer theres an auto complete opetion, shame its not working Mar 23 00:23:03 re Hi all Mar 23 00:23:14 C-S-B-N900: works like a charm here Mar 23 00:23:39 really Docscrutinizer,oh yeah just did. Mar 23 00:23:41 autocomplete in chat should work on all recently typed words > 5 chars Mar 23 00:23:49 C-S-B-N900: xchat menu: settings-> advanced-> kbd-shortcuts Mar 23 00:24:48 when people started sending out sms messages on numeric keyboards, they were complaining that it took 2 lng 2 rite th hol wrd Mar 23 00:26:00 then they started doing it on full keyboards as well, saying it jst aloud 4 fstr txtng Mar 23 00:26:22 now people have full blown keyboards on their phones, and they still go "IT'S TOO LONG TOO TYPE I TELL THEE" Mar 23 00:26:57 get a grip, your time isn't so important that you can't take the time to spell out a full word. Mar 23 00:27:05 Mar 23 00:27:15 crashanddie: you're well? Mar 23 00:27:20 venting Mar 23 00:27:35 trying to vent on unimportant things rather than people :) Mar 23 00:28:27 I hope it's unrelated to autocompletion - otherwise you'd be somewhat mistaken Mar 23 00:29:06 I just installed ubuntu 10.04 using my n900 as a liveusb. Mar 23 00:29:17 awesome. Mar 23 00:29:35 only took 11 minutes to install. Mar 23 00:30:15 I'm preety impressed that the n900 can do that. Mar 23 00:30:32 it's a usb device Mar 23 00:30:36 dmj726_n900: if you happen to get the maemo sdk working in lucid,let me know. Mar 23 00:30:45 once had a bad experience attempting the samething on a garmin. Mar 23 00:31:05 dmj726_n900: the plural of anecdotes isn't data Mar 23 00:31:07 does it not work on lucid? Mar 23 00:31:25 data is plural. Mar 23 00:31:38 i know. shall we try it on an iphone? ;) Mar 23 00:31:51 C-S-B-N900: but not of anecdote :) Mar 23 00:31:51 Does anyone use erming + gpe calendar on their n810? Mar 23 00:32:26 I ask because I can not, for the life of me, get erming to accept my u/p. Mar 23 00:33:38 If it doesn't work I'll have to chroot to my karmic install Mar 23 00:34:50 dmj726_n900: everything installed ok here but i cant get it to work. dbus errors Mar 23 00:35:03 ah Mar 23 00:35:14 32 or 64? Mar 23 00:35:21 32 Mar 23 00:35:45 hmm...hopefully 64 won't be an issue. Mar 23 00:35:48 it also mentions hal. which has gone... Mar 23 00:36:01 isnt 64 more of an issue? Mar 23 00:36:03 ah...hal deprecation Mar 23 00:36:40 it could be an issue or not...kinda random. Mar 23 00:39:40 dmj726_n900: not that random... afaik the cortex A8 is a 32 bit CPU Mar 23 00:40:13 or did I understood you wrong about wanting to run it on the n900? Mar 23 00:41:27 huh? Mar 23 00:41:53 no I used it to install on my hdd Mar 23 00:42:06 oh ok, you got me confused for a while :D Mar 23 00:42:14 the 64 bit was more about running the sdk Mar 23 00:42:43 well 9.10 is still a mixed 32+64 distro so it should work fine Mar 23 00:42:58 not sure about 10.04, but I suspect the same, did not check Mar 23 01:02:16 up? Mar 23 01:02:36 uh... nevermind, had the irc window scrolled up Mar 23 01:03:22 Hey, is anyone working on a SMS-from-PC app for the N900? Mar 23 01:04:17 With my WinMo phone I have an app called "Jeyo Mobile Companion" that lets me SMS from my PC with an outlook-like interface. If no one's working on something similar, maybe I should. Mar 23 01:06:38 tylerfixer: I think I don't get your point Mar 23 01:07:43 This app would let you plug your N900 into your computer via usb, or even over wifi/bluetooth and send/receive SMS using your desktop. Mar 23 01:07:43 aah wait, you want to send SMS via a tethered N900, from an app on your windows PC? Mar 23 01:07:48 Yep! Mar 23 01:08:12 Jeyo Mobile Companion is what I use on my current WinMo phone. Mar 23 01:08:42 most generic way would probably incluse cygwin, to run the genuine N900 sms app on your windows desktop Mar 23 01:09:27 Rather, my idea was to have a python app on the N900 that would communicate with a java or C/Qt app on the desktop and allow sending SMS by using the N900's cellular modem Mar 23 01:10:26 I know how to do this, I am starting on a simple java UI for the desktop, and about to begin on the python app for the n900 tomorrow. My only question would be if anyone else is interested, so I would know what level of documentation and ease-of-use should be expected. Mar 23 01:10:36 the n900 modem tethering isn't much different to any other modem I'd guess. otoh I have no idea what nokia's PC-suite provides Mar 23 01:10:53 is flash somewhere in maemo extras? Mar 23 01:10:56 maybe you got this function there, ready to use Mar 23 01:11:36 DocScrutinizer: I'm not sure what you mean? I am sure there is no such function as of yet. Mar 23 01:11:44 DocScrutinizer: as of today Ovi Suite provides only contact sync and backup Mar 23 01:11:53 2 updates ago also would do calendar sync Mar 23 01:12:10 this is tethered sync with Outlook Mar 23 01:12:35 I guess one question would be if there was a method to allow custom 'conduits' like ActiveSync on WinMo or PalmOS does, but only through Ovi Sync Mar 23 01:12:51 no idea. I got not even any redmond borne OS here Mar 23 01:13:17 Oh and supposedly also USB net tethering control but never tried it Mar 23 01:13:24 oh my god Mar 23 01:13:28 does -anyone- use GPE Calendar Mar 23 01:13:41 Ovi suite is supposed to sync messages, but not so with N900 Mar 23 01:13:42 Should we? Mar 23 01:13:43 on their n810 Mar 23 01:13:54 it is a f'ing bloated piece of s**t Mar 23 01:14:11 njsf_1: Ovi Sync? or GPE ? Mar 23 01:14:12 FYI I continue to talk about Ovi suite :D Mar 23 01:14:17 oh haha okay Mar 23 01:14:24 IRC is so complicated. Mar 23 01:14:31 Reality is confusing. Mar 23 01:14:43 haha Mar 23 01:15:01 So seriously, no GPE experimenters? Mar 23 01:15:16 Looking through the forums it looks like this stuff actually worked at one point. Mar 23 01:15:53 I tried it in Dec after getting the N900, was not very impressed Mar 23 01:16:11 it did work, but I need more fancy stuff Mar 23 01:16:12 My base plan for the SMS from PC app is to study the USSD-widget source and find how it receives SMS replies, and then figure out how to transport that *somehow* to the N900, whether via USB or wifi/BT. Mar 23 01:16:20 still using DateBk6 on garnet VM :( Mar 23 01:16:43 tylerfixer: USSD is *absolutely unrelated* to SMS Mar 23 01:16:48 njsf_1: fancy? jeeze. I can't even get it to work. It's supposed to sync with your private ics link from google calendar, but I can't get that to work. SO then I tried ermile, which doesn't work at all. Mar 23 01:16:53 I'm starting to think, is this a joke? Mar 23 01:17:45 DocScrutinizer: I know. The only thing that I would look for is how it receives the replies. I can either just plain 'ol read the SMS database with my python application, or I can directly get the SMS reply as it comes in, as does USSD-pad/widget Mar 23 01:17:49 and USSD widget does exactly one thing: send AT+CSD to pnatd Mar 23 01:17:54 this == GPE sevard? I never even tried sync, since the plain data entry was enough to see I needed more control that it allowed Mar 23 01:18:32 this? Yes, this is what I'm trying to do with GPE Calendar Mar 23 01:18:49 to subscribe to my google ics private link or to use Erming for syncronization Mar 23 01:18:54 honestly I don't care how I get there... Mar 23 01:19:11 DocScrutinizer: I haven't actually used USSD-pad/widget, but in a video that I saw, it was able to get the reply from the USSD command. My program needs to send and receive SMS using python. Is there another app that would provide me with a way to get a SMS as it comes in? Mar 23 01:19:44 not afaik Mar 23 01:19:55 Hmm, I guess I'll have to write that too. Mar 23 01:20:00 you could check if you can talk to messaging app Mar 23 01:20:08 Through D-BUS ? Mar 23 01:20:15 yep, possibly Mar 23 01:20:24 Actually, does Conversations send a D-BUS signal when a new SMS comes in? Mar 23 01:20:42 conversations, messaging app, I'm not sure what it's called haha Mar 23 01:20:50 there's a simple d-bus cmd to *send* sms. No idea how to intercept inbound Mar 23 01:21:22 Yeah, that's what I'm looking for. Intercepting a SMS. For some reason I thought that USSD-widget/pad was able to do that Mar 23 01:21:37 nope, absutely not Mar 23 01:21:46 Okay, thanks for clearing that up. Mar 23 01:21:53 I *just* got my N900 Mar 23 01:22:30 you may want to have a look at conversations (prolly the correct name ;-) and on pnatd Mar 23 01:22:45 also on dbus calls doc in wiki Mar 23 01:22:50 Okay thanks! Mar 23 01:22:59 more like "doc" Mar 23 01:23:13 I wonder if they send D-BUS signals when SMS' are received... Mar 23 01:23:42 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS Mar 23 01:24:04 all of the smses arrive through telepathy Mar 23 01:24:13 tylerfixer: use mdbus2 to monitor both dbus busses during inbound sms Mar 23 01:24:35 you can write a client called an observer which gets the incoming messages Mar 23 01:24:47 Perfect! Mar 23 01:25:45 Now, I suppose I have to put my SIM in my N900 :) Mar 23 01:26:52 DocScrutinizer: mdbus2 is exactly what I was looking for. If I can get a D-BUS message when a SMS is received, that will save me quite a bit of work at reading the SMS database (not that much work, as AFAIK it's just SQLITE) Mar 23 01:26:58 that would be useful :) Mar 23 01:27:58 Part of my interest for this application is because of the sheer volume of SMS i receive and send in a day... many of my friends don't have a device like the n900, so SMS are their primary means of contacting me :) Mar 23 01:28:49 there's a spec and example programs for interacting with telepathy... Mar 23 01:29:05 telepathy.freedesktop.org Mar 23 01:29:17 i suspect it is a terrible idea to work with intel Mar 23 01:29:30 Okay, I'll check that out Mar 23 01:30:26 Seems that telepathy does use D-BUS quite a bit Mar 23 01:30:35 The docs look quite comprehensive Mar 23 01:31:30 Although I am unable to find anything that references SMS on the protocol specs. Mar 23 01:31:33 Time for Google! Mar 23 01:31:50 tylerfixer: maybe pkg dbus-scripts is also worth a look Mar 23 01:32:05 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/DBus/DBus_in_Freemantle Mar 23 01:32:15 Looks like all I need is right there. Mar 23 01:32:21 tylerfixer: start executable on certain dbus signals Mar 23 01:32:33 tylerfixer: it's just another protocol for telepathy, uses the normal text/message channels Mar 23 01:33:00 thats how all the conversations stuff works, one api Mar 23 01:33:18 My thought is that I'd have a python daemon that would monitor incoming SMS and if connected to a PC client, it'd funnel it over to the PC. Mar 23 01:33:44 So starting an app on dbus signal would most likely take quite a bit of CPU, and would be very repetitive. Mar 23 01:34:21 d-bus services can keep running once they've been activated Mar 23 01:35:06 you can leave telepathy a .client file to register to be notified of all new text channels Mar 23 01:35:11 Would there be an advantage to that rather than starting a daemon on boot? Mar 23 01:35:36 saving memory if there are no ongoing conversations Mar 23 01:35:44 True. Mar 23 01:35:49 and guaranteeing not to miss any Mar 23 01:36:02 Sounds like that's what I'll do then. Mar 23 01:36:09 telepathy ensures observers are loaded before other clients can acknowledge messages Mar 23 01:36:13 Wasn't there a python script that parsed incoming SMS's, look up youtube videos for a song/artist and played the most popular one? Mar 23 01:36:40 crashanddie, did the cops find your stash? Mar 23 01:36:44 anyway, need to sleep. there's a #telepathy Mar 23 01:36:51 Thanks Robot101! Mar 23 01:37:00 GAN900: eh? Mar 23 01:37:15 GAN900: I thought someone fixed something like that up at the summit? Mar 23 01:37:22 might be a few ozzies who can help you at this kinda time Mar 23 01:37:45 crashanddie: I'm looking for that script right now .. that would have quite a bit of the heavy-lifting done for me already Mar 23 01:37:53 Python isn't my favorite of languages... Mar 23 01:39:08 tylerfixer: look for telepathy-python's examples dir, and also for danielle madeley's blog posts about telepathy, observers and mission control :) Mar 23 01:39:15 GAN900: :-P Mar 23 01:39:34 Robot101: Okay! Looking right now. Mar 23 01:39:42 Got like 30 tabs open in firefox haha Mar 23 01:39:59 also there's a telepathy book work in progress Mar 23 01:40:10 but the examples are mostly C/glib there Mar 23 01:43:04 The telepathy examples look interesting. I'll try some of those out when I get time. Mar 23 01:43:51 GAN900: actually I tought same, some hours ago Mar 23 01:46:31 So, if I were to write this application, would anyone rather me write the desktop component in a different language other than java? Mar 23 01:46:43 ive just had to solder the power connector of my netbook back for the millionth time Mar 23 01:47:03 it has insulation tape instead of the plastic shroud now Mar 23 01:47:06 thats 1337 Mar 23 01:49:30 Completely unrelated question: is there a way to modify the default application close behavior? I'd like to change it so that when you close an application it goes back to the desktop, rather than the application switcher. Mar 23 01:50:26 "A Linux admin must be root. A Windows admin must reboot. Being a Mac admin is quite moot." Mar 23 01:51:12 what's a Plan 9 admin? Mar 23 01:52:43 ml-mobile: from outer space Mar 23 01:55:02 Another question: is it possible to make the dialpad the default screen to show up when you tap the 'phone' icon? Mar 23 01:56:47 I suppose these questions are better suited for the talk.maemo.org Mar 23 01:57:00 tylerfixer: you're about to feel very much alone. Mar 23 01:57:19 crashanddie: why would that be? Mar 23 01:57:39 GAN900: remove my op rights Mar 23 01:57:56 good questions: dunno man Mar 23 01:57:59 (forgive me, I don't use IRC very much) Mar 23 01:58:46 if nobody here knows, ask in the forum Mar 23 01:59:17 I suppose I'll create a thread. I just wanted to avoid the "search!" comments, since I can't seem to find it even with Google Mar 23 01:59:29 tylerfixer: I don't think it's possible Mar 23 01:59:47 tylerfixer: the reason being that the phone app isn't open, so can't be modified, and I don't believe such settings are supported (yet) Mar 23 01:59:56 That's a bummer. 3 taps to a dialpad. Mar 23 02:00:12 actually 2. Mar 23 02:00:31 oh well that's not bad, just different than what I'm used to Mar 23 02:01:00 tylerfixer: check the bugtracker. See if there are people who have raised the same issues. They may be prime candidates for enhancement requestws Mar 23 02:01:23 Good idea. I'll check that Mar 23 02:01:34 tylerfixer: if you start typing digits, it goes directly to dialpad Mar 23 02:01:57 tylerfixer: from desktop, open keyboard, start typing digits (blue arrow + p), dialpad appears Mar 23 02:02:00 Wow, thanks! Mar 23 02:02:04 Perfect! Mar 23 02:02:16 Thought that was only for contact names though Mar 23 02:02:37 I have a lot to figure out still with this new device Mar 23 02:03:04 I've had the device for over 6 months and just started using it as a phone this weekend Mar 23 02:03:12 My n800 took a long time to get completely used to also, but after I did, I felt completely at home with it. Mar 23 02:03:23 I don't think I'm going to use my n900 as a phone for some time Mar 23 02:03:37 I might get a data-only SIM from tmobile Mar 23 02:04:07 Unfortunately, I can't seem to fault my Touch Pro at the moment (rather than it being WinMo and unstable) Mar 23 02:04:32 n900 is good for irc and web while waiting in line Mar 23 02:04:39 crashanddie, can't. Why? Mar 23 02:04:51 And I'm still concerned about my USB port on my N900, that thread about the USB ports falling out has me worried sick Mar 23 02:05:20 GAN900: cuz I'm useless Mar 23 02:05:23 I filed down the prongs on my cheapo cable, but I'm still babying the connector when I go to charge Mar 23 02:05:27 anyway, going for lunch, 'ater Mar 23 02:05:31 crashanddie, lol Mar 23 02:05:34 Thanks for your help! Mar 23 02:05:58 slang yo thang tylerfixer Mar 23 02:06:07 ? Mar 23 02:06:38 useless text, nm Mar 23 02:06:44 haha okay Mar 23 02:06:56 Well, I'm off to start on the pc GUI for my sms app Mar 23 02:06:56 nice chatting Mar 23 02:07:12 I'll post in the forums when I have a preview Mar 23 02:07:17 cool Mar 23 02:07:23 Bye! Mar 23 02:18:56 I want a full proper sync app for the phone on linux Mar 23 02:19:36 would have been nice for nokia to have thought of this. Mar 23 02:19:46 6d0 Mar 23 02:19:46 Mar 23 02:19:47 Mar 23 02:19:51 Mar 23 02:19:55 C-S-B-N900: wtf?? Mar 23 02:19:56 Mar 23 02:19:59 sorry Mar 23 02:20:12 ? Mar 23 02:20:29 C-S-B-N900: sync with what - that's the question Mar 23 02:20:35 any way to trick n900 to think its connected to network Mar 23 02:21:04 evolution would be nice. Mar 23 02:21:07 Andrewfblack: what's the use of that? Mar 23 02:21:30 tricking it to let me access a webserver running on it while I'm offline Mar 23 02:21:51 what was the wtf for? Mar 23 02:21:52 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Mar 23 02:22:11 C-S-B-N900: Andrewfblack sent empty NL Mar 23 02:22:53 Andrewfblack: I think you'd not need to trick it into anything, to access local html Mar 23 02:23:02 err http Mar 23 02:23:20 if your not on network it keeps asking for you to connect Mar 23 02:23:52 never tried that. Sounds strange Mar 23 02:25:26 docScrutinizer what os are you running and how are you syncing data? Mar 23 02:25:35 [2010-03-22 19:50:09] iirc the browser-ui was patched not to require connection for localhost or file:// urls Mar 23 02:26:29 C-S-B-N900: Linux, and not at all ATM Mar 23 02:27:02 mail is synced via "keep mail on server" Mar 23 02:27:16 i wonder what percent of n900 users are running linux? Mar 23 02:27:42 on there pc Mar 23 02:27:56 more than the desktop percentage of linux in general Mar 23 02:28:35 as probably >50% bought a N900 because they love linux Mar 23 02:28:48 i know i did. Mar 23 02:29:27 i love that idling in irc stops the stupid wlan0 power saving :) Mar 23 02:31:22 not that much, i'm in many channels and it still does quite good powersaving Mar 23 02:31:45 maybe because my crappy ap .. it has sometimes 1 minute lag Mar 23 02:32:26 when turning on netradio disabling powersaving irc (and ssh) becomes useable Mar 23 02:41:16 cehteh: are you sure this is your ap? I see same lags here Mar 23 02:43:12 absolutely positive on the crappy AP ... Mar 23 02:43:18 first its DLINK Mar 23 02:43:33 second, without irc, just ssh the problem is there too Mar 23 02:44:30 so? I see same lags occasionally. And it seems those are much more severe and frequent when N900 isn'T charging Mar 23 02:45:45 or maybe s/charging/backlighting the LCD/ Mar 23 02:46:49 I suspect that's N900 powersaving, which occasionally doesn't wake from 0clock to process an inbound packet Mar 23 02:47:53 probably Nokia implemented a waggonload of magic there, to get decent standby times Mar 23 02:47:59 I only ever see lags of under 500ms Mar 23 02:48:07 even if it's been idle for hours Mar 23 02:48:18 SpeedEvil: on charger?Ü Mar 23 02:48:22 and I still get battery life of >24h Mar 23 02:48:23 no Mar 23 02:48:26 on battery Mar 23 02:48:30 hmm Mar 23 02:59:10 hahaha Mar 23 02:59:31 5-8h is average here **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 23 02:59:57 2010