**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 23 02:59:57 2010 Mar 23 03:11:04 with full backlight and quite some surfing the web over 3G, yes - same here Mar 23 03:11:50 with backlight at 25%, irc and SIP over WLAN, some 20..26h Mar 23 03:12:25 of which easily 10h are actually with backlight on, other half dim screen Mar 23 03:31:11 mhm Mar 23 03:31:30 imo the 'idle' or 'low' use battery times are ok Mar 23 03:31:59 but if you actually do something cpu intensive it really drains the battery fast Mar 23 03:32:37 i mean charged, connected to gsm and wlan, irc running would last approx 12 hrs here Mar 23 03:33:21 cehteh, that's what you get when you fill something with fast hardware. . . . Mar 23 03:33:26 but as soon a 20 minute flash loaden web session sucks 40% of the juice its no fun anymore Mar 23 03:33:48 well yes .. and shows that the powersaving is quite efficient Mar 23 03:34:01 but still Mar 23 03:35:01 50% more battery capacity would be quite much better .. i often didnt got through the day with one charge or had the battery dead at the next morning Mar 23 03:35:31 and when the battery warning comes its maybe 30 minutes left, thats often not enouhg to get to the charger Mar 23 03:35:51 (30 minutes idle) Mar 23 03:36:27 battery warning really means run to the charger and dont use the device anymore except for emergency calls Mar 23 03:38:28 i simply accept that my use profile drains batt Mar 23 03:39:09 and curse the entire history of web evolution Mar 23 03:39:12 yeah, i just liked to have little more reserve Mar 23 03:39:31 :) Mar 23 03:40:19 if it discharges to 40%-30% during a normal day then the battery would last much longer too because it isnt constantly full cycled Mar 23 03:40:23 if next device has a slightly bigger battery and oled, you could get 50 pct more Mar 23 03:40:34 ahh true Mar 23 03:41:24 and being able 2 days on the road without charge and low usage would be possibke to, not too uncommon Mar 23 03:41:48 one day would serve me Mar 23 03:41:57 currently its just running after the next wall socket whenever arriving the destination Mar 23 03:42:09 mhm Mar 23 03:42:25 yes in most cases 1 day is ok Mar 23 03:42:27 i usually make that a criterion for my restauraunt too Mar 23 03:42:43 yeah would be nice if one doesnt have to do that Mar 23 03:42:50 and that doesnt always work too Mar 23 03:44:16 i dont want magic as in a week long usage time, and the current way works, but there is really no reserve Mar 23 03:44:34 missing a train home at night .. want to do a phone call .. oops battery just empty Mar 23 03:45:07 carry two :/ Mar 23 03:45:15 considering that Mar 23 03:45:21 that would be an abomination Mar 23 03:45:38 well maybe external with microusb to plug in Mar 23 03:45:56 dont care if such an extra box weights little more Mar 23 03:46:26 maybe some baby nimh cells .. Mar 23 03:56:44 a second battery is quite compact Mar 23 03:57:10 can even be stuck in wallet Mar 23 03:57:41 hehe found an advantage of the small battery? :) Mar 23 03:57:51 just pack the Nokia charger pack Mar 23 03:58:15 well changing it unmounts the microsd .. i still didnt disabled that daemon Mar 23 03:59:06 * cehteh wonders if 5 AA cells in series connected to this small charge adapter work, 6V should be in the allowed range iirc Mar 23 03:59:18 http://www.phonesuit.com/products/MiLi_USB_Power_Bank-23-10.html Mar 23 03:59:24 done Mar 23 03:59:38 yeah or something like that Mar 23 03:59:55 Nokia makes one internally IIRC Mar 23 03:59:59 while most of this toys are overpriced and have bad capacity Mar 23 04:00:09 one of the Nokia marketing chicks had one Mar 23 04:00:21 android might as well be java on symbian Mar 23 04:00:39 2000ma .. but connecting to the usb has prolly not very good efficency Mar 23 04:01:13 what does efficiency have to do with it? Mar 23 04:01:33 don't use words you don't understand the meaning of, thank you Mar 23 04:01:39 cehteh: otherwise you'd change the cell without unmounting the uSD?? ;-P Mar 23 04:02:31 well yes .. some suspend to disk or even better uninterrupted battery change would be nice Mar 23 04:02:41 who need dual sim .. we want dual battery :) Mar 23 04:03:16 actually a reasonable request Mar 23 04:03:44 * cehteh still thinking about getting the e-werk for the bike its pricy but i am prolly to lazy to build something on my own Mar 23 04:04:27 well would be already fine if the device could run on usb power while changing the battery Mar 23 04:06:29 crashanddie: efficiency is exactly the correct word here. If N900 starts charging one bat from another, that's probably <50% efficiency over all Mar 23 04:06:54 USB efficiency makes no sense at all though Mar 23 04:06:59 yeah .. some external pack should have at least 3000mah better more Mar 23 04:07:27 you want to plug it in and sustain the device and give a full charge to the internal battery Mar 23 04:07:35 and you'd be surprised at how good the efficiency is. It's not like there's a lot of heat dissipation or any mechanical transfer that causes loss Mar 23 04:07:37 crashanddie: cehteh never used the term "usb efficiency", see backscroll Mar 23 04:07:53 [14:00] 2000ma .. but connecting to the usb has prolly not very good efficency Mar 23 04:08:11 considering you can only charge the N900 through USB, I'm right, you're wrong. End of story. Mar 23 04:08:52 well thats nothing much related to usb .. but to charge circruits Mar 23 04:08:52 ok, he could have used "implies" instead of "has" Mar 23 04:09:26 and there is clearly no high demand on makeing the internal charge circruit overly efficient Mar 23 04:10:42 crashanddie: yeah, teach an EE about efficiency ;-P Mar 23 04:10:46 considering how warm the device gets when charging, and that liion batteries themself genereate very little heat when charging, the circruit heat a lot energy away Mar 23 04:11:47 DocScrutinizer: you're not the only one who holds a degree in electronics Mar 23 04:12:04 I never claimed Mar 23 04:12:49 but I observe warming of N900 exactly the way cehteh described one line above Mar 23 04:12:55 * cehteh just claims to be a user sometimes who wants the device better and better :P Mar 23 04:13:28 hold any dell powerbrick Mar 23 04:13:34 (when plugged in and charging) Mar 23 04:13:45 now there's heat dissipation, I actually use it to warm up my bed during cold winter nights Mar 23 04:14:23 Also, the N900 heats nothing compared to an iPhone or blackberry Mar 23 04:14:29 for the wall charger it doesnt matter, but if you provide the input from a secondary battery it matters quite much Mar 23 04:14:39 hence, there is seriously little loss on my N900... Maybe I just have a special one? Mar 23 04:15:06 dunno Mar 23 04:15:21 * cehteh didnt measure or calculate but i bet it heats 1Watt away while charging Mar 23 04:15:22 maybe your usage patterns differ Mar 23 04:15:23 cehteh: just saying, the Nokia chick said she could pull two full charges out of her external battery pack Mar 23 04:15:43 crashanddie: pepetuum mobile? Mar 23 04:15:45 but then again, she's marketing Mar 23 04:15:46 i rarely if ever feel warmth from n900 crashanddie Mar 23 04:16:09 pupnik: where'd'you get yours? Mar 23 04:16:13 pupnik: summit? Mar 23 04:16:19 summit Mar 23 04:16:22 hmm Mar 23 04:16:25 cehteh: you? Mar 23 04:16:35 what she saied Mar 23 04:16:39 summit? Mar 23 04:17:10 the pack has 2000mah .. the n900 battery has 1320mah ... Mar 23 04:17:41 mhm wonder what kind of battery and voltage regulation the pack has ... 2000mah @ 5V? Mar 23 04:17:53 cehteh: voltage of pack? Mar 23 04:18:04 yeah dunno about that Mar 23 04:18:19 i bet it has a 3.7V battery and step up converter :P Mar 23 04:18:46 well that's great. they state a mAh figure, but don't tell about voltage... Mar 23 04:18:54 yeah :) Mar 23 04:19:13 maybe 2 cells .. and step down? Mar 23 04:19:29 so this might as well be from 5V usb out Mar 23 04:19:29 would be bit better Mar 23 04:20:22 i doubt that .. marketing does the labels :P Mar 23 04:20:23 that would make much more sense with the stated 2 complete charges of a 1320mAh cell Mar 23 04:20:52 lmao Mar 23 04:21:07 I was just eyeballing some numbers in a slashdot post Mar 23 04:21:36 ~wtf lmao Mar 23 04:21:39 LMAO: laughing my ass off Mar 23 04:22:34 and some guy just replied, confirming my numbers, confirming them dramatically Mar 23 04:23:44 some guy said he wanted a lens at 700mm focal length, with a f/1 f-number. I estimated that this would mean a 70cm diametre lens, so would never be very portable. The guy who replied to my post cited some lens made in the 70s, 667mm, f/0.75, 3.5 tons Mar 23 04:23:44 :D Mar 23 04:25:07 lol Mar 23 04:25:46 spy sat? Mar 23 04:25:58 there was one on ebay some time ago Mar 23 04:26:16 only a few got ever manufactured Mar 23 04:26:23 what, a 3.5t lens XD Mar 23 04:26:32 i would like to see multi-ton lens on a N900 Mar 23 04:26:50 rotfl Mar 23 04:28:00 http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591528&cid=31579340 Mar 23 04:28:57 heh, first tele lens that also serves as a nuclear shelter Mar 23 04:32:06 i cant find the story ... Mar 23 04:36:47 last silly question for the night... do you turn your nXXX off at night or when you slide it back in it's case, or do you generally leave it on? Mar 23 04:44:04 Tobarja: on 24/7 Mar 23 04:47:48 i turn the phone part off Mar 23 05:06:45 ~wtf quidnunc Mar 23 05:06:47 Gee... I don't know what quidnunc means... Mar 23 05:14:11 ~wtf sesquipedalianist Mar 23 05:14:13 Gee... I don't know what sesquipedalianist means... Mar 23 05:15:02 ~usuk Mar 23 05:56:55 morning Mar 23 06:17:57 MORNING STSKEEPS SIR MAAM Mar 23 06:18:03 night Mar 23 06:20:02 morn luke-jr Mar 23 06:20:04 how's the kiddos? Mar 23 06:21:12 moorning STs Mar 23 06:25:33 kids are also little goats. the names have significance Mar 23 06:41:22 so my experiments with hitting alsa directly are not a shining success. i keep losing sound compleely Mar 23 06:41:33 t Mar 23 06:43:25 forget it :( Mar 23 06:44:52 moroning **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 23 11:58:15 2010 Mar 23 11:59:23 timeless_mbp: meh Mar 23 11:59:38 timeless_mbp: is it unusual to want to see the changelog? Mar 23 12:00:16 timeless_mbp: do you also get upset when someone wants to see the ingredients of that new cookie they bought at the supermarket? :-S Mar 23 12:00:20 [2010-03-22 23:05:34] * SpeedEvil1 ponders painkillers. Mar 23 12:00:22 [2010-03-22 23:05:43] Moved ~10 tons of soil this week Mar 23 12:00:31 DocScrutinizer: thanks for the info. so why 4v and not 3.7v? Mar 23 12:00:33 SpeedEvil: that's why I asked Mar 23 12:00:40 tybollt: well Mar 23 12:00:45 fact is, i want to see the ingredients Mar 23 12:00:50 DocScrutinizer: what on earth is he making.. a highway? Mar 23 12:00:56 but when i go to the store, i get this list in finnish-swedish-eCrap Mar 23 12:01:05 Gentooer: actually everything between 3.6V and 4.2V is ok Mar 23 12:01:07 yes Mar 23 12:01:09 so, yes, i'm given a list, and no, it isn't remotely useful Mar 23 12:01:16 because the information i need isn't actually available :) Mar 23 12:01:23 Stskeeps: lol, garden Mar 23 12:01:31 ok thanks Mar 23 12:01:35 i need to know if a given additive is made form animal or vegetable protiens Mar 23 12:01:38 E"crap" is extremely usefull (to the food scientists) Mar 23 12:01:51 but the idiotic EU in its infinite wisdom decided to assign the same numbers to both Mar 23 12:02:02 tybollt: to me as something other than a food scientist, it's useless Mar 23 12:02:16 Gentooer: 4.0V is just a sane straight number Mar 23 12:02:18 and would it really have hurt to give out distinct e numbers for my two cases? Mar 23 12:02:23 it's like 20 extra numbers Mar 23 12:02:30 timeless_mbp: I'm not arguing w/ you sir Mar 23 12:02:36 thanks Mar 23 12:02:36 is there any way to take a photo? I've tried to navigate dbus for something but couldn't find anyway Mar 23 12:02:46 my point is that "what it says on the package is absolute useless" Mar 23 12:02:47 Stskeeps: a lawn. A pond was dug some time ago, and the earth from that pond has not been cleared up. Mar 23 12:02:56 so "why bother asking, it won't help" Mar 23 12:03:04 Stskeeps: I'm leveling it into making a larger area of lawn Mar 23 12:03:25 heck, does your food list "eColi included at no extra charge" Mar 23 12:03:31 it sure would be nice to know Mar 23 12:03:35 "Ecrap" is well... crap... but uhm to know if it is transfats or say sunflowerseed oil is good and important info's Mar 23 12:03:43 but gosh, they left it off the label! Mar 23 12:04:05 timeless_mbp: ecoli and such are quite rare in .fi/.se, that's south european shitz ;) Mar 23 12:04:17 tybollt: i travel Mar 23 12:04:26 i'll be in stockholm on friday if i'm healthy by then Mar 23 12:04:44 but the point stands Mar 23 12:04:52 heck, they don't list radiation levels! Mar 23 12:05:13 now, the packages here do say "new improved" on the toilet paper Mar 23 12:05:25 and sometimes even on the Cola or Toothpaste/Detergents Mar 23 12:05:32 but it isn't like that means anything to me Mar 23 12:05:41 Edited http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space Mar 23 12:05:41 ptl: ask SpeedEvil Mar 23 12:05:42 i can't even tell if they're charging more for it! Mar 23 12:06:08 (i'm told there's price fixing in certain areas, perhaps Milk?) Mar 23 12:06:16 SpeedEvil: is there any way to take a photo? I've tried to navigate dbus for something but couldn't find anyway Mar 23 12:06:17 ptl: it's some gstreamer magic iirc Mar 23 12:06:37 ptl: yeah - gstreamer - moment Mar 23 12:06:43 tybollt: fwiw, my irc client just offered me an update right before i left/rejoined Mar 23 12:06:52 it showed me the changelog in a tiny scrolling window Mar 23 12:07:00 my eyes glazed over, and i clicked install update Mar 23 12:07:09 it didn't even make me feel better! Mar 23 12:07:25 /usr/bin/gst-launch v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video0 num-buffers=1 \! video/x-raw-yuv,width=2592,height=1968 \! ffmpegcolorspace \! pngenc\! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/capture/test$x$y.png Mar 23 12:07:31 (granted, i feel sick because i am sick, and it's doubtful that anything will make me feel better) Mar 23 12:08:07 ptl: google around that - you probably want to work out how to do it with jpg - that's the usual outptu Mar 23 12:08:12 aah that explains quite a bit of your yesterday's mood Mar 23 12:08:14 lcuk: moo? Mar 23 12:08:31 btw http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/23/nokias-symbian-3-flagship-handset-leaked/ Mar 23 12:08:49 DocScrutinizer: to be fair, i'm generally grouchy, but yeah, i'm sick, have been since friday or so Mar 23 12:09:18 wow, the device looks... ugly Mar 23 12:09:39 Mohammad: Bad photos Mar 23 12:09:47 * tybollt hands timeless a pink pwny - there feel better? Mar 23 12:09:59 RST38h, back isn't the best looking Mar 23 12:10:10 looks like a fake somehow Mar 23 12:10:20 anyways, it's still a rumor Mar 23 12:10:25 harder to fake bad photos Mar 23 12:10:32 :( Mar 23 12:10:32 is that the new iphone? Mar 23 12:10:32 it looks like it could run maemo :) Mar 23 12:11:29 BTW, the apparent name will be N8-00 Mar 23 12:11:37 * RST38h cackles evilly Mar 23 12:11:45 since I installed dbus-scripts, my screen dimming management is quite messed up frequently :-/ Mar 23 12:11:56 RST38h, different device Mar 23 12:12:05 Specs seem to match Mar 23 12:12:17 one time it refuses to dimm at all, another time it dims even while on charger... grrrr Mar 23 12:12:24 MohammadAG: did get the sb packages working with n900? Mar 23 12:12:30 did you :) Mar 23 12:12:40 petteri, I got a working brick Mar 23 12:12:44 (contradictory) Mar 23 12:13:01 * MohammadAG gives DocScrutinizer 10 bucks Mar 23 12:13:11 * DocScrutinizer is happy his house is built of working bricks :-P Mar 23 12:14:13 ok, shame about the brick Mar 23 12:14:14 * DocScrutinizer invites MohammadAG to next pub, to drown the frustration about failed upgrade and lost 10 bucks Mar 23 12:14:17 ok, as everybody are here Mar 23 12:14:43 guys, why doesnt udhcpc supply a IP when used with openvpn ? Mar 23 12:14:54 petteri, it worked, but I had an empty menu with no applications :p Mar 23 12:14:55 how can I debug this issue? Mar 23 12:15:11 DocScrutinizer, thanks mate, don't drink though, you can have mine :) Mar 23 12:15:52 MohammadAG: the pubs here have non-alcoholic drinks as well. And often they offer even digestible tea Mar 23 12:15:59 see I use the --up option in openvpn and spin this script when the connection is establish Mar 23 12:16:08 digestible, never heard of that lol Mar 23 12:16:09 http://pastebin.com/uZ3mrqmP Mar 23 12:16:38 DocScrutinizer, then I'll come and buy ye a drink :P Mar 23 12:16:41 well, my english isn't that fluent, as soon as it leaves technical domain Mar 23 12:17:19 it's not about your english, maybe I haven't heard of it and it exists :) Mar 23 12:17:25 I guess potable also is the wrong word Mar 23 12:18:11 need to inprove my pidgin ;-P "tea not that bad" Mar 23 12:18:16 potable, heard that somewhere, don't remember what it means :p Mar 23 12:18:21 SpeedEvil: I found it Mar 23 12:18:27 PR1.2 breaks ukeyboard, nice Mar 23 12:18:29 sleep 10; gst-launch v4l2src ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/myphoto.jpg Mar 23 12:18:44 I just don't know how to make gst-launch exit after taking the photo Mar 23 12:19:03 what? Mar 23 12:19:12 (actually the original message by qole had 'pngenc' instead of 'jpegenc' but 'pngenc' didn't work here Mar 23 12:19:30 MohammadAG: ukeyboard hebrew keys are duplicated. how can I fix it? Mar 23 12:19:33 ptl: start a line with 'sleep 10'? sounds odd Mar 23 12:19:37 MohammadAG: ukeyboard was evil Mar 23 12:19:46 so it shouldn't be a shock that it broke Mar 23 12:20:01 cityLights2, not really sure, edit the vkb? Mar 23 12:20:13 timeless_mbp, well I don't use it, someone just requested that I test it Mar 23 12:20:23 didn't like how it hacked its way into the vkb Mar 23 12:20:25 ptl: seems you missed -> [2010-03-23 13:07:25] /usr/bin/gst-launch v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video0 num-buffers=1 \! video/x-raw-yuv,width=2592,height=1968 \! ffmpegcolorspace \! pngenc\! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/capture/test$x$y.png Mar 23 12:20:40 oh Mar 23 12:20:46 but I like the old keyboard more than the PR1.2 one Mar 23 12:20:47 sorry Mar 23 12:20:58 lemme try it Mar 23 12:21:01 * timeless_mbp likes the 1.2 keyboard Mar 23 12:21:07 (mostly) Mar 23 12:21:41 WARNING: erroneous pipeline: no element "pngenc" Mar 23 12:21:45 same thing Mar 23 12:21:48 timeless_mbp, each to their own taste :) Mar 23 12:22:01 best one imo was the PR1.0 one Mar 23 12:22:01 to each their own, yes Mar 23 12:22:44 I am trying to find the proper gstreamer package for pngenc to work Mar 23 12:22:54 ppl: where is the best place to post a question when a package doesnt work? Mar 23 12:23:02 I mean openvpn Mar 23 12:23:16 ptl: good idea Mar 23 12:23:25 does anyone know which is the right gstreamer package? :( Mar 23 12:23:52 mce: Failed to initialise D-Bus :/ Mar 23 12:23:56 gstreamer0.10-plugins-good-doc: /usr/share/gtk-doc/html/gst-plugins-good-plugins-0.10/gst-plugins-good-plugins-pngenc.html Mar 23 12:23:59 hmmm Mar 23 12:24:20 ptl: or just replace pngenc by jpegenc and store to a *.jpg file Mar 23 12:25:09 yes... Maybe it's better Mar 23 12:25:13 any way to bypass this mce: Cannot acquire service: Connection ":1.34" is not allowed to own the service "com.nokia.mce" due to security policies in the configuration file Mar 23 12:25:19 photos don't need to be encoded as png anyway Mar 23 12:25:30 Afternoon, all Mar 23 12:26:00 nm Mar 23 12:29:57 199.99 USD 32GB microSDHC Mar 23 12:30:07 I'll chip 100 more and get another PS3 Mar 23 12:30:09 ptl: depends on your demand for quality. jpeg is a lossy format, png isn't aiui Mar 23 12:30:46 heh, are they actually available by now, MohammadAG ? Mar 23 12:30:58 yes, sandisk announced them this week I think Mar 23 12:31:23 I wish someone made an SDHC card with proper controller though. Mar 23 12:31:27 seen them 2 weeks ago for 120EUR, stating "available soon" Mar 23 12:31:29 s/controller/ftl/ Mar 23 12:31:29 ShadowJK meant: I wish someone made an SDHC card with proper ftl though. Mar 23 12:31:40 DocScrutinizer, Sandisk to start shipping 32GB microSDHC memory cards Mar 23 12:31:57 maybe sandisk has same concept of "available soon" as Nokia and N900 ;D Mar 23 12:32:02 there was supposed to be a sandisk announcement today Mar 23 12:32:06 anyone seen it? Mar 23 12:32:09 nah, should be available this week Mar 23 12:32:13 ftl? Mar 23 12:32:18 tybollt, http://www.fonearena.com/blog/2010/03/23/sandisk-to-start-shipping-32gb-microsdhc-memory-cards.html Mar 23 12:32:19 flash translation layer Mar 23 12:32:32 SanDisk Ultra® SDXC? Cards Mar 23 12:33:34 eek, $199 Mar 23 12:34:24 oh for god's sake, I need the old apt back :( Mar 23 12:35:08 what happened to your apt? Mar 23 12:35:39 it aptly disappeared? Mar 23 12:35:55 (mind my totally AWEZOME punz) Mar 23 12:36:31 * aquat1x doesn't mind Mar 23 12:36:34 * nidO knocks himself out with the force of head<>desk impact Mar 23 12:37:01 nidO: :) Mar 23 12:46:56 lol! just disabled extras-devel and testing... my rootfs space went down!! (even after a reboot!) Mar 23 12:47:16 hmm actually my recent screen-dimming issue was caused by the charger-detecting foo.When I plugged the charger, N900 displayed a "battery full" notification rather than a "bat charging". It also didn't playback the swooosh sound it usually uses to notify charger plugin. In consequence the "don't dim screen while charging" option failed as well Mar 23 12:47:58 let's call it a bug Mar 23 12:49:08 ~lart bme and mce Mar 23 12:49:08 * infobot gets a hotmal account and SPAMs bme and mce Mar 23 12:49:13 noobmonk3y: apt requires a cached copy of all available packages from each repo Mar 23 12:49:16 extras-devel is huge Mar 23 12:49:28 so yes, disabling the repo will by you space Mar 23 12:49:40 (so does moving some of apt's stuff to the ext3 file system instead) Mar 23 12:50:08 see Mar 23 12:50:09 noobmonk3y: imagine you pay for data by the kb Mar 23 12:50:13 ~optification Mar 23 12:50:14 i heard optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs Mar 23 12:50:24 you don't really want to download a multi mb file repeatedly if you can avoid it Mar 23 12:50:36 nah, I fixed that one. Sorry Mar 23 12:50:39 plus that download would take a long time w/ bad networks Mar 23 12:51:31 • Be aware that VFAT is not really a POSIX filesystem. Things like symbolic links, permission bits, and so on, will not work as nicely as they do on a real POSIX filesystem. Mar 23 12:51:36 how about will not work at all? Mar 23 12:53:09 noobmonk3y: http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space#Disable_Extras-testing.2C_Extras-devel_and.2For_any_other_third_party_repositories Mar 23 12:53:53 er Mar 23 12:54:00 I think you all need to re-read what he said Mar 23 12:54:12 he disabled devel and his space available went *down* Mar 23 12:54:12 VDVsx, thr ? Mar 23 12:55:35 hmm, that's strange Mar 23 12:59:44 what happened to your apt? Mar 23 12:59:49 nokia crippled it Mar 23 12:59:56 I need the 44-1 one :( Mar 23 13:00:05 Khertan: ping? Mar 23 13:00:08 or 51-1 Mar 23 13:00:56 err.. Mar 23 13:01:00 X-Fade, pong Mar 23 13:01:00 how is it crippled? Mar 23 13:01:03 i m here Mar 23 13:01:20 Khertan: Are you absolutely sure you want your packages removed? Mar 23 13:01:21 ptl, gst-launch v4l2camsrc ! ffmpegcolorspace ! pngenc snapshot=true ! filesink location=/tmp/blah.png Mar 23 13:01:34 mece type apt-get install tunewiki* Mar 23 13:01:35 just as an example Mar 23 13:01:36 * noobmonk3y is back Mar 23 13:01:37 X-Fade, yes ... Mar 23 13:01:44 Khertan: It will be a lot of work for us, so let's make the deal that when you want that, it all ends for your there. Mar 23 13:01:56 oh heh, oops :) Mar 23 13:01:59 Khertan: And you don't get to upload them anymore. Mar 23 13:02:07 timeless_mbp: was the other way round........ disabled both repo's and lost space! Mar 23 13:02:14 PR1.2 for thiw eek or next week ? :) Mar 23 13:02:18 X-Fade, do not fear any upload ... i ll also delete garage account Mar 23 13:02:21 * noobmonk3y prods khertan Mar 23 13:02:27 mece: Mar 23 13:02:30 Note, selecting tunewiki-applet for regex 'tunewiki*' Mar 23 13:02:32 Note, selecting tunewiki-community for regex 'tunewiki*' Mar 23 13:02:32 E: Couldn't find package tunewiki* Mar 23 13:02:39 DocScrutinizer: lol pre-schooling me on rootfs space? Mar 23 13:02:46 huh.. weird. Mar 23 13:02:46 Khertan: Ok, just to make sure we understand each other. Mar 23 13:03:03 mece, and if you pick one package Mar 23 13:03:04 cant you just compile your own apt? Mar 23 13:03:05 E: Handler silently failed Mar 23 13:03:08 you get that ^\ Mar 23 13:03:08 X-Fade, but to be honest i didn't understand what require so much work to remove package from the repository Mar 23 13:03:10 zaheerm: thanks, one more recipe :D Mar 23 13:03:14 downloading the source atm Mar 23 13:03:18 :D Mar 23 13:03:23 zaheerm: anyway pngenc is not working for me, only jpegenc Mar 23 13:03:27 not sure if HAM would break Mar 23 13:03:29 Khertan: The python build script you so lovingly helped me out with has 1 minor niggle, the version comments don't work, ok to mail you later with the example? Mar 23 13:03:47 Khertan: Lot of things are listed in database etc. Repositories aren't really made for deletions. Mar 23 13:04:12 noobmonk3y, yep you'are welcome Mar 23 13:04:29 :D :D Mar 23 13:04:39 thank you very much, as per usual for your help :D Mar 23 13:05:55 thought of something Mar 23 13:06:05 why not compile aptitude while I'm at it Mar 23 13:06:32 MohammadAG: You are a busy little bunny :D Mar 23 13:06:43 bunny LOL Mar 23 13:06:48 MohammadAG: long list of deps to build with their deps Mar 23 13:07:33 I can see that... Mar 23 13:07:37 Error: tag OUTPUT_DIRECTORY: Output directory `../build/doc/doxygen' does not exist and cannot be created meh Mar 23 13:07:39 ptl, gst-launch v4l2camsrc ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! identity error-after=1 ! filesink location=/tmp/blah.jpg Mar 23 13:07:53 X-Fade: so instead of doing "dpkg-scanpackages" + importing that to database you do reverse? Mar 23 13:08:34 hrw: There are also enties in Downloads, changelogs, package events etc, that need to be cleaned up. Mar 23 13:08:52 hrw: And as this isn't used a lot, it needs to be written first ;) Mar 23 13:10:58 can someone help with this http://pastebin.com/jecVptSr Mar 23 13:11:18 Also who i should contact for removing the products mCalendar, mNotes, mTodos, PyGTKEditor of bugs.maemo.org or at list made it unavailable to enter new bugs report ? Mar 23 13:11:27 hrw: As that takes time away from developing other critical things, I really want to make sure it is absolutely needed. Mar 23 13:11:48 zaheerm: thanks! Mar 23 13:12:08 ptl, what happens when you try the pipeline i gave you with pngenc Mar 23 13:12:10 is there any talk thread or similiar about why you are removing all these apps from extras Khertan? Mar 23 13:12:17 Khertan: bugzilla@maemo.org Mar 23 13:12:28 frals, it is in maemo-dev ml i believe Mar 23 13:12:34 frals: maemo-dev has a threads Mar 23 13:12:39 thx Mar 23 13:13:13 didnt see a reason there, only saw "please remove" after reading that - or was it due to the two bugs listed in the thread? Mar 23 13:13:21 ooo frals.... hows fmms going? - using mine fine at the mo, but prob not on an up-to-date version :D Mar 23 13:13:37 noobmonk3y, you use pypackager in your program, does that mean that its a dependency? Mar 23 13:13:40 or is it job done now? Mar 23 13:13:49 frals this is a long very long list of reason ... Mar 23 13:13:50 X-Fade: mr. rayneesh gunapalam for mainainer? ;-P Mar 23 13:14:00 lcuk - py2deb isnt it? well a bastardized version, and no Mar 23 13:14:01 it shouldnt dep on it, its used only on packaging machine lcuk Mar 23 13:14:06 Khertan: file a bug in bugs.maemo for websites/bugzilla Mar 23 13:14:10 not used within the program Mar 23 13:14:10 just to package it Mar 23 13:14:11 DocScrutinizer: ? Mar 23 13:14:13 noobmonk3y: going good - not have had much time for it lately but its progressing - should get a new version out for 1.2 Mar 23 13:14:23 Khertan: do you have them posted somewhere as im curious? Mar 23 13:14:41 X-Fade: if the packages find a new maintainer, they don't need removal, no? Mar 23 13:15:05 DocScrutinizer: Yes, that can be done. Mar 23 13:15:09 ahhh sounds good frals Mar 23 13:15:26 frals ... look at the irc logs .... Mar 23 13:15:28 no more trips to finland on the horizon? hehe Mar 23 13:15:42 Khertan: can point me to a time and date as there is v. high traffic in here at times Mar 23 13:15:44 anyone? Mar 23 13:16:02 zaheerm: it says this: WARNING: erroneous pipeline: no element "pngenc" Mar 23 13:16:02 noobmonk3y: not on behalf of fmms, but ;) Mar 23 13:17:12 How promotion interface for Diablo works? My package stays in extra-devel for two months, how do I push it further? Mar 23 13:17:15 http://maemo.org/profile/list/ <<<--- hum sorry ... deleting garage account didn't give my place to the other ... yet :) Mar 23 13:17:27 ptl, install gstreamer0.10-plugins-good-extra Mar 23 13:17:33 zap: You just pomote. Mar 23 13:17:43 what's the button to press? Mar 23 13:17:48 zap: Go to the armel version. Mar 23 13:17:49 lol Mar 23 13:18:03 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/diablo_extras-devel_free_armel/bash/3.2-0maemo4/ Mar 23 13:18:04 here? Mar 23 13:18:30 zap: Ah, you're not a maintainer. Mar 23 13:18:40 zaheerm: I was on my way to install it when I aborted to use jpeg. I don't think 5Mp photos should be saved as png! It's lossless but it's not meant for photos. But thanks anyway! BTW, how do I get the elements and its parameters for gst-launch? Mar 23 13:18:46 zap: Request to be maintainer first. Mar 23 13:18:59 um... isn't enough me to upload the package? Mar 23 13:19:00 ptl, gst-inspect gives the list Mar 23 13:19:14 ptl, gst-inspect will give you properties etc. of the element Mar 23 13:19:26 ptl, to learn about gstreamer, read the docs on gstreamer.freedesktop.org Mar 23 13:19:49 X-Fade: where do I make the request? Mar 23 13:19:58 zaheerm: ok... thanks again and again :) Mar 23 13:20:10 zap: Well, if you are the first. But in this case the package already exists. Mar 23 13:20:12 zap: http://maemo.org/packages/view/bash/ Mar 23 13:20:40 I can rename it to bash3 Mar 23 13:20:53 the SDK bash is not suitable to be installed on tablet Mar 23 13:21:17 * noobmonk3y has gone for lunch Mar 23 13:21:17 X-Fade: if I rename it to bash3, I will become the maintainer? Mar 23 13:21:28 zap: If you upload a new package, yes. Mar 23 13:21:31 ok Mar 23 13:21:37 thanks for clarification Mar 23 13:21:58 zap: With these system packages it is a bit harder than normal. Mar 23 13:22:05 zap: As they exist in SDK too. Mar 23 13:22:27 I know. I also did the gzip and tar packages Mar 23 13:22:42 had to rename them to gnuzip and gnutar Mar 23 13:23:52 Khertan: am I correct assuming you are creating your own repository based on http://n2.nabble.com/Can-someone-take-care-of-bugs-9494-and-9608-the-web-interface-is-on-what-rely-tester-to-thumb-down-td4758551.html#a4758551 ? Mar 23 13:23:58 ptl: /usr/bin/gst-launch v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video0 num-buffers=1 \! video/x-raw-yuv,width=2592,height=1968 \! ffmpegcolorspace \! jpegenc\! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/capture/test.jpg Mar 23 13:23:59 gets a jpeg Mar 23 13:24:45 SpeedEvil: I saw your line, thanks. I even posted in a brazilian forum where a friend of mine asked this. Mar 23 13:25:01 frals : https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#search/repository/127421980f1df151 Mar 23 13:25:06 hum ... Mar 23 13:25:07 that one is for jpg Mar 23 13:25:15 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9458 Mar 23 13:25:16 Bug 9458: Packages interface didn't see some packages Mar 23 13:25:59 look for email with subject in the ml : "External Repository and HAM" Mar 23 13:26:48 ok ty Mar 23 13:27:39 SpeedEvil: Yes... I adapted it :) Mar 23 13:27:48 frals, of course there is also ... stupid comments from stupid user ... rules changes ... Mar 23 13:28:07 s/user/users Mar 23 13:28:23 all the qa process which is a fail Mar 23 13:28:56 is there any way to trick version numbers? Mar 23 13:28:58 mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: apt (= 0.7.20.2maemo13+0m5) but 0.7.20.2maemo11.1+0m5 is to be installed Mar 23 13:29:28 and to be honest ... i found that the situation was better with the multiple repository available Mar 23 13:29:39 ok, thanks for clarifying Mar 23 13:29:46 in the past ... what everyone call here the repository mess Mar 23 13:30:01 and i'm doing development as a hobby ... Mar 23 13:30:30 but it s take me more time to package, read the new rule ... re submit than coding Mar 23 13:31:37 MohammadAG: if you dont care about creating a mess you can use -o dpkg::Options and dpkg --force Mar 23 13:31:58 MohammadAG: thats documented in the respective manpages Mar 23 13:31:59 ... huh? apt on my n900 appears to have eaten itself Mar 23 13:32:04 valdyn, I already installed the apt Mar 23 13:32:10 ... package Mar 23 13:32:20 but it conflicts with mp-fremantle-generic-pr Mar 23 13:32:21 (half of /var/lib/apt is missing) Mar 23 13:32:24 (to be expected) Mar 23 13:32:27 MohammadAG: i know what you installed Mar 23 13:32:35 MohammadAG: as the error message sais this Mar 23 13:32:52 hi jrocha Mar 23 13:33:16 Stskeeps: got a few minutes? I've got a licencing request I'd like to talk about before submiting Mar 23 13:33:21 MohammadAG: read the docs, im just going to say that dpkg --force-all file.deb would install it anyway Mar 23 13:33:26 dmj726_n900, hi Mar 23 13:33:48 MohammadAG: its very messy however as i said and youre kind of forced to use some dpkg::Options hackery in later apt-get runs Mar 23 13:33:53 valdyn, it's not that, apt wouldn't work anyways Mar 23 13:34:05 MohammadAG: it would Mar 23 13:34:14 but it has to be forced Mar 23 13:34:19 MohammadAG: yes Mar 23 13:34:21 MohammadAG: its very messy Mar 23 13:34:28 MohammadAG: yea, exactly Mar 23 13:34:42 I got the source, but I'm not sure how to up the version number Mar 23 13:34:48 I doubt it checks the package integrity Mar 23 13:34:50 MohammadAG: are you having a problem with apt as well? Mar 23 13:34:57 MohammadAG: extract the deb and hand-patch the depends Mar 23 13:35:04 Stskeeps, got your FR Mar 23 13:35:05 :) Mar 23 13:35:16 ccooke, everyone on PR1.1.1 should have my problem Mar 23 13:35:28 MohammadAG: or rebuild where the deb-src is available with patched depends Mar 23 13:35:31 MohammadAG: which is? Mar 23 13:35:33 valdyn, can't I just build a new apt deb? Mar 23 13:35:42 ccooke, installing from the ovi store using apt Mar 23 13:35:50 ah Mar 23 13:35:53 from terminal of course Mar 23 13:36:05 MohammadAG: sure, where the source is available you can just edit the control file Mar 23 13:36:08 ls -l parti Mar 23 13:36:09 lma: sure Mar 23 13:36:10 oops Mar 23 13:36:14 TomaszD: cool, was it broken to bits? Mar 23 13:36:26 valdyn, that's in the source root directory right? Mar 23 13:36:40 oh wait, that's when I build the deb, not compile it Mar 23 13:36:41 Um... Mar 23 13:36:44 MohammadAG: no, such things are in the debian directory Mar 23 13:36:50 Stskeeps: this is a bit of a can of worms: initfs-flasher Mar 23 13:37:00 MohammadAG: building a deb implies compiling it Mar 23 13:37:18 Stskeeps, I'm currently scooping small parts from the package onto one small neat pile Mar 23 13:37:19 ;) Mar 23 13:37:23 could someone with a working n900 give me a tarball of their /var/lib/apt ? Mine has nothing but "extended_states" and the empty "periodic" directory Mar 23 13:37:24 TomaszD: excellent Mar 23 13:37:40 lma: reasoning? Mar 23 13:37:54 Stskeeps: The context is Diablo SSU, when shipping an updated kernel we need to update the modules in initfs as well Mar 23 13:38:26 normally you don't need to Mar 23 13:38:55 as the kernel version is same Mar 23 13:40:36 ccooke: reflashing probably makes more sense Mar 23 13:40:59 valdyn, I'm assuming this is the version number Standards-Version: 3.8.0 Mar 23 13:40:59 valdyn: yeah, but I'd like to work out what went wrong :-) Mar 23 13:41:02 Stskeeps: sure, but it's a bit "dirty" keeping the old ones and there may be configuration options that break things Mar 23 13:41:17 MohammadAG: thats the Standards-Version, not the package version Mar 23 13:41:23 :/ Mar 23 13:41:47 MohammadAG: did you find the control file or control.in file? Mar 23 13:41:54 control yes Mar 23 13:42:21 valdyn, http://pastebin.com/sgG5T2SJ Mar 23 13:42:48 jrocha: I'm not sure I quite understand how your program picks between image and text. Mar 23 13:43:00 Stskeeps, god damn dissasembly is heart-wrenching Mar 23 13:43:19 dmj726_n900, it does it by analyzing the results from the ocr engines Mar 23 13:43:31 Stskeeps: plus there are a couple of patches in the queue that apply to initfs modules (cx3110 & g_ether) Mar 23 13:43:38 MohammadAG: read the changelog Mar 23 13:43:48 MohammadAG: i gave you some wrong info =/, version is in the changelog Mar 23 13:44:01 lol kk Mar 23 13:44:31 MohammadAG: i used to hack nvidia packages like this, but thats a while ago, so it can work anyway Mar 23 13:44:46 lma: arh :P Mar 23 13:44:53 so it sends the whole thing to the ocr engine, then looks for good data? Mar 23 13:45:02 lma: see if there's a way to do it without rewriting initfs Mar 23 13:45:21 TomaszD: worse than n900, yes Mar 23 13:45:51 MohammadAG: in the rules file you would see dpkg-parsechangelog grabbing the version Mar 23 13:45:55 TomaszD: FR dissasemble? Mar 23 13:46:03 yeah, already done though Mar 23 13:46:24 MohammadAG: or thats how it is on debian, im not actually seeing what/if nokia changed this at all Mar 23 13:46:30 lma: it's a PITA to distribute initfs images legally :/ Mar 23 13:46:42 TomaszD: what is so hard with it? one torx screwdriver (was included with neo1973), guitar pick (same) and you go Mar 23 13:46:47 few minutes work Mar 23 13:47:09 dmj726_n900, yes, kinda like that Mar 23 13:47:16 it's not hard, I just wasn't familiar of how much force I had to apply Mar 23 13:47:23 Stskeeps: ACK, I'll fall back to messing about with remounting it rw, copying modules and rebooting then :-( Mar 23 13:47:33 lma: diablo allows that anyway Mar 23 13:47:49 hrw, and the fact that you're disassembling 600 bucks :p Mar 23 13:48:07 nah, it's the FR Mar 23 13:48:09 not the n900 Mar 23 13:48:29 "only" 260 - 275 EUR Mar 23 13:49:01 how do you compensate for shadowy/gradeient backgrounds? Mar 23 13:49:06 Stskeeps: that's all, thanks Mar 23 13:49:43 Yipeee it works!! Mar 23 13:49:53 now to uninstall HAM Mar 23 13:50:06 actually nvm, don't want mp-fremantle-generic-pr to cause probs Mar 23 13:51:18 or perhaps that hasn't been a cons Mar 23 13:51:23 TomaszD: ah Mar 23 13:51:40 MohammadAG: I paid 250€ for n900 Mar 23 13:51:53 huh? Mar 23 13:51:54 wtf? Mar 23 13:51:55 cern as of yet. Mar 23 13:52:01 no you did not hrw Mar 23 13:52:03 hrw, and you missed the point of what I said :) Mar 23 13:52:04 MohammadAG: and customs for neo1973 Mar 23 13:52:11 MohammadAG: yeb Mar 23 13:52:34 http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/ Mar 23 13:52:36 oups ww Mar 23 13:53:15 Khertan, I'm assuming you're porting Android to the N900 Mar 23 13:53:23 along with the closed sources :P Mar 23 13:53:27 (jk) Mar 23 13:54:45 well, the freerunner is hopefully fixed, now how do I bootstrap the battery... Mar 23 13:55:12 can always try to plug in the usb charger.. Mar 23 13:55:12 :P Mar 23 13:55:26 TomaszD: plug battery, usb cable and pray Mar 23 13:55:30 jrocha: I'm guessing you don't do much preprocessing of the image to help the ocr engine? Mar 23 13:55:36 s/pray/leave for some time Mar 23 13:55:46 yeah, I'll try assembling it first without breaking it Mar 23 13:56:08 dmj726_n900, I pass it to grayscale and also give the option of using unpaper Mar 23 13:57:15 MohammadAG, no ... just trying to see if i can port pygtkeditor to Android Mar 23 13:57:21 TomaszD: http://allegro.pl/item955997926_ladowarka_biurkowa_nokia_3100_do_baterii_bl_5c.html is great for neo batteries Mar 23 13:57:48 hrw, thx Mar 23 13:57:59 TomaszD: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2007/04/18/3rdparty-chargers-for-neo1973/ Mar 23 13:57:59 but you can't charge them in there, can you? Mar 23 13:58:04 Stskeeps: I did Mar 23 13:58:12 Stskeeps: many times Mar 23 13:58:38 k Mar 23 13:58:53 Stskeeps: my first neo was neo1973bv3 which had problems with battery - it sucked power even powered off Mar 23 13:59:14 hrw: heh I hear som acer aspire one does that too Mar 23 13:59:51 tybollt: some laptops have powered usb host ports all the time Mar 23 14:00:13 unpaper...nice to know about. Mar 23 14:00:49 hrw: this fucker emptied a completely charged batt in <24h (powered off) Mar 23 14:00:57 hrw: all defaults in bios Mar 23 14:01:19 hrw switch mobo, it could go for atleast a week Mar 23 14:02:07 argh Mar 23 14:02:20 but bck to your pricing on n900 Mar 23 14:02:28 EUR 250 is way way W A Y too low Mar 23 14:02:43 did you point a gun to salesman to get the phone this cheap? :) Mar 23 14:02:48 tybollt: DDP Mar 23 14:03:00 magic word Mar 23 14:03:08 or rather magic acronym Mar 23 14:03:33 hrw, my prayers were unanswered Mar 23 14:03:36 no reaction Mar 23 14:03:40 DDP? Mar 23 14:03:48 tybollt: Developer Device Program Mar 23 14:03:57 hrw: I hate you :) Mar 23 14:03:58 ;) Mar 23 14:03:59 TomaszD: leave it for at least half hour Mar 23 14:04:17 hrw, ok, should there be anything on the screen displayed? Mar 23 14:04:21 TomaszD: no Mar 23 14:04:22 hrw: Anyway - well deserved, hope you have fun w/ it. Mar 23 14:04:26 ok Mar 23 14:05:15 TomaszD: first it charge battery to be able to boot into bootloader which should check for power level and decide to boot or to charge only still Mar 23 14:05:23 TomaszD: sth like that, long time since last use Mar 23 14:05:37 I got neo1973 ~3 years ago Mar 23 14:05:44 ohai.. Mar 23 14:06:21 yeah, it was nice device. Mar 23 14:08:30 well, I did this trick with the aux button http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_%28GTA02%29_Battery#What_to_do_if_your_battery_has_become_completely_discharged Mar 23 14:08:40 and it's sitting there, hopefully charging up Mar 23 14:09:20 openmoko wiki is usually good quality Mar 23 14:11:26 openmoko was a very idealistic project, too bad it wasn't powerful enough, but it created a good legacy. Mar 23 14:11:40 (ok, call me captn. obvious) Mar 23 14:12:41 HELLO THAR CAP'N OBVIOUS!111 Mar 23 14:12:49 oh wait Mar 23 14:13:42 I usually hear quite intense cursing from my friend when I mention the Neo and its GPS-unit in particular - it was somewhat lacking, no? Mar 23 14:13:55 (from my friend, that is :) Mar 23 14:14:04 neo has a binary blob as the GPS driver. Mar 23 14:14:10 ~curse tlenofon SIP operator Mar 23 14:14:11 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, tlenofon SIP operator ! Mar 23 14:14:21 SpeedEvil: Took a long time to get a fix, no? Mar 23 14:14:33 I started (with others) to reverse engineer it - but the project stalled when the GPS was changed Mar 23 14:14:40 tybollt: not that bad IIRC actually Mar 23 14:14:42 :-/ Mar 23 14:14:55 tybollt: usually better than the n900 worst-case :) Mar 23 14:15:37 SpeedEvil: only neo1973 had binary blob Mar 23 14:16:06 hrw: I know Mar 23 14:19:02 SpeedEvil: huh? back when I read the previews of the device it was touted as an amazingly quick fixer - order of magnitude better than the rest... Mar 23 14:19:11 tybollt: ? Mar 23 14:19:15 granted I've not used it on my N900 yet >:) Mar 23 14:19:21 tybollt: It depends. Mar 23 14:19:31 tybollt: I've had worst-case fix times of over 10 minutes. Mar 23 14:19:37 oi caramba Mar 23 14:19:39 what the hell Mar 23 14:19:46 tybollt: network positioning off, no SIM, outside with a good view of the sky Mar 23 14:19:51 were the previewers lieing? :S Mar 23 14:20:08 hmm ja Mar 23 14:20:12 well that is diff I guess :) Mar 23 14:20:12 If it's got network access, or it's been used quite recently, it's got decent lock time Mar 23 14:20:39 tybollt: perhaps. It's not unlike what happens if you run out of battery and charge it in a foreign country, where you haven't got a valid SIM Mar 23 14:20:46 I usually get <10 sec with network Mar 23 14:20:50 for varying definitions of decent? :) Mar 23 14:21:01 ={ Mar 23 14:22:10 Yes - I just tried it and got 20s till I got a sat position. Mar 23 14:22:18 And I used it yesterday Mar 23 14:22:19 took 30s without network in amsterdam ... Mar 23 14:22:43 took an average of 10min with 3G network in france Mar 23 14:22:48 in paris Mar 23 14:23:07 yes Mar 23 14:23:16 but i think this is depends due to the height of the building around you Mar 23 14:23:20 even the GPS satellites are grumpy and rude in france :-| Mar 23 14:23:34 Or ~4 seconds after 1 min of disuse Mar 23 14:24:10 heh Mar 23 14:24:15 even the satellites don't like France apparently Mar 23 14:24:19 maybe those need own gps dialect ;) Mar 23 14:24:29 but ... an other counter example, is average 5 min in my car outside of Paris (with network 3G coverage) where tomtom take 10min due to my car glass Mar 23 14:24:54 what? Mar 23 14:24:56 car glass? Mar 23 14:25:03 huh Mar 23 14:25:05 :) Mar 23 14:25:07 maybe 3G in France sucks? Mar 23 14:25:18 hi, all. Could anyone teach me how to read the video frame from pipeline created by gstreamer to the IplImage of opencv in a loop? Mar 23 14:25:31 Arif you can remove maybe :) Mar 23 14:25:41 and the 3g Mar 23 14:25:44 and in Mar 23 14:26:14 tybollt, athermal windscreen ... is it the correct traduction ? Mar 23 14:26:42 Khertan: no I mean what the hell do you have in it - lotsa lead? :) Mar 23 14:26:52 since it blocks you signal Mar 23 14:27:08 yep ... it blocks a few signal Mar 23 14:27:09 hey, has anyone here changed their location server from nokia's to supl.google.com? Mar 23 14:27:30 timeless_mbp, hum ... thx for the tips ... but sfr block it Mar 23 14:27:39 (and block also the nokia one) Mar 23 14:27:49 you can only use the sfr one :) Mar 23 14:27:49 nidO, that was my thought exactly...:P Mar 23 14:27:52 timeless_mbp: no, will it work? Mar 23 14:27:58 does anyone know how many GBs the repos hold? Mar 23 14:28:02 Khertan: i'm reading the engadget review from january 19 Mar 23 14:28:05 someone claims it will Mar 23 14:28:07 i've never tried Mar 23 14:28:11 MohammadAG: Which ones? Mar 23 14:28:13 Nokia can find me just fine Mar 23 14:28:15 won't someone else test for me? :) Mar 23 14:28:16 no need to change it :P Mar 23 14:28:29 X-Fade, all (extras, extras-testing, and -devel) Mar 23 14:28:37 whois nid0 Mar 23 14:28:40 lol Mar 23 14:28:42 failed Mar 23 14:28:44 MohammadAG: i have numbers from a mirror Mar 23 14:28:44 not me. Mar 23 14:28:45 haha Mar 23 14:28:48 big time :P Mar 23 14:29:14 timeless_mbp, the freemoe one? Mar 23 14:29:20 yep Mar 23 14:29:25 MohammadAG: 81GB Mar 23 14:29:31 exactly what I need :) Mar 23 14:29:38 X-Fade, WHAT? Mar 23 14:29:53 you sure there aren't missing decimals or something? Mar 23 14:30:13 MohammadAG: No, I'm sure. We had to add another 200GB today to keep up with the growth. Mar 23 14:30:14 1.9G /var/www/repository.maemo.org/extras Mar 23 14:30:14 36G /var/www/repository.maemo.org/extras-devel Mar 23 14:30:14 5.4G /var/www/repository.maemo.org/extras-testing Mar 23 14:30:26 4.0G /var/www/repository.maemo.org/pool Mar 23 14:30:39 i'm not sure how accurate/current those numbers are Mar 23 14:30:45 and keep in mind that it doesn't mirror non-free Mar 23 14:30:45 lets all put our forces together and get it to 1TB! Mar 23 14:31:30 47.3GB Mar 23 14:31:50 wait, so non-free holds about 33.7? Mar 23 14:32:12 No, I was counting all 'trash' too. Mar 23 14:32:30 trash? Mar 23 14:32:32 trash being removed binaries. Mar 23 14:32:36 timeless_mbp, thanks a heap mate :) Mar 23 14:32:44 oh Mar 23 14:32:47 thank the host Mar 23 14:32:53 * timeless_mbp is just a client Mar 23 14:33:02 thanks Jebba! Mar 23 14:33:12 oh, he's not online Mar 23 14:33:26 logs are forever Mar 23 14:33:48 :) Mar 23 14:34:19 expected less than 10GB, guess I was wrong :) Mar 23 14:34:47 X-Fade, may I ask where the serves are? Mar 23 14:34:59 MohammadAG: Depends on where you are. Mar 23 14:35:09 "in the cloud" Mar 23 14:35:14 X-Fade, so you have more than 1 place for the servers? Mar 23 14:35:19 last i checked they were akamai mirrored Mar 23 14:35:22 (i.e mirrors?) Mar 23 14:35:24 MohammadAG: Hundreds Mar 23 14:35:36 thought there was only 1 in Finland Mar 23 14:35:39 * timeless_mbp isn't even sure that akamai discloses location info Mar 23 14:35:50 MohammadAG: There is of course one origin. Mar 23 14:35:52 MohammadAG: masters != slaves Mar 23 14:36:07 X-Fade, and that's in? Mar 23 14:36:35 the location of our master n900 is a secret! Mar 23 14:36:35 MohammadAG: .fi Mar 23 14:36:36 timeless_mbp, true, but when the master crashes they all do :) Mar 23 14:36:41 we wouldn't want someone to steal it ;-) Mar 23 14:36:47 MohammadAG: That is not true. Mar 23 14:36:55 MohammadAG: They cache. Mar 23 14:36:58 err Mar 23 14:37:03 so why do the repos go down? Mar 23 14:37:22 the master tends to go to a bad state instead of truly down Mar 23 14:37:27 mirroring a bad state is easy Mar 23 14:37:27 MohammadAG: They don't. They are just slow because there is a 20 second failover. Mar 23 14:37:30 and not wrong Mar 23 14:37:43 I don't get this Mar 23 14:37:49 when the repos are down Mar 23 14:37:59 why do all users experience the problem? Mar 23 14:38:01 MohammadAG: And if you are far away, you will see 2 20 sec delays as you are connecting to an edge server. Mar 23 14:38:23 MohammadAG: Could you update in AM this morning? Mar 23 14:38:50 not really sure, today's the only day I didn't do an apt-get update Mar 23 14:39:16 MohammadAG: The only thing that doesn't work is browsing the repo, when the origin is down. Mar 23 14:39:23 MohammadAG: But you can request all files. Mar 23 14:40:03 and I'm assuming the reference ticket things are when the origin is down(?) Mar 23 14:40:45 Or the mirror is having problems, or the export control acts up. Mar 23 14:41:20 but if a mirror is down, shouldn't another one kick in? Mar 23 14:41:41 MohammadAG: Down != having a problem ;) Mar 23 14:41:57 I see... Mar 23 14:42:08 MohammadAG: typically if an akamai mirror is actually down Mar 23 14:42:13 akamai would take it out of their loop Mar 23 14:42:15 X-Fade, well one more question, is there a mirror in IL? Mar 23 14:42:22 but if a mirror caches bad data, it isn't "down" Mar 23 14:42:25 it's just "unhappy" Mar 23 14:42:27 MohammadAG: Do a traceroute :) Mar 23 14:43:08 MohammadAG: again, i doubt akamai publishes their list of locations Mar 23 14:43:30 they're competing w/ a couple of other cloud servers Mar 23 14:43:35 \services Mar 23 14:43:44 London Mar 23 14:43:50 and giving your competitors a map saying "you should do blah" Mar 23 14:43:52 isn't a good idea Mar 23 14:44:42 MohammadAG: http://www.akamai.com/html/technology/index.html Mar 23 14:45:13 61,000 servers in 1,000 networks across 70 countries Mar 23 14:46:41 MohammadAG: again, i doubt akamai publishes their list of locations Mar 23 14:46:45 guess you're right about that Mar 23 14:46:50 X-Fade, thanks :) Mar 23 14:47:07 is there a good yukon game for the 900? Mar 23 14:47:23 yukon=solitaire (variant)? Mar 23 14:47:27 ja Mar 23 14:47:43 http://www.akamai.com/html/technology/visualizing_akamai.html Mar 23 14:47:44 yukon is "sjuan" in swedish I believe... Mar 23 14:47:49 actually seems to let you look at some things Mar 23 14:49:12 !solitaire games in the repos :( Mar 23 14:49:17 * tybollt blames tim Mar 23 14:49:20 Tim E. Mar 23 14:49:25 http://www.akamai.com/html/technology/dataviz2.html is cool Mar 23 14:50:04 aisleriot? Mar 23 14:50:38 tybollt: you could try building that Mar 23 14:50:57 http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:w40a8D6u-ikJ:ring.nict.go.jp/archives/X/gnome/sources/gnome-games/2.28/gnome-games-2.28.2.news+aisleriot+n900&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=safari Mar 23 14:51:08 looks like someone was working on making it work Mar 23 14:53:06 fwiw, akamai's uk presence seems to mostly be on a couple of networks in telehouse north Mar 23 14:55:47 timeless_mbp: ouch, you HAD challenge me to put my money where my mouth is, huh? :) Mar 23 14:56:02 ok I'll have a looksie the Mar 23 14:56:04 n Mar 23 15:01:35 umm Mar 23 15:01:40 how do I start mce in the SDK? Mar 23 15:02:57 you really shouldn't :P Mar 23 15:03:09 and why's that :) Mar 23 15:04:47 gah Mar 23 15:04:48 mce: Failed to open connection to message bus; Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. Mar 23 15:04:48 mce: Failed to initialise D-Bus Mar 23 15:05:03 Installed lighttpd and php on my n900 worked fine rebooted and now it doens't does the server need to be restarted everytime I restart device? Mar 23 15:06:05 andrewfblack_: yeah, it doesn't get configured to start on bootup at install Mar 23 15:06:14 hmm andrew aren't we sposed to be grilling you? :) Mar 23 15:06:14 ccooke: clever Mar 23 15:06:26 timeless_mbp: well, it *is* a tablet :-) Mar 23 15:07:24 ccooke: found command to start the lighttpd server any idea for php? Mar 23 15:08:01 andrewfblack_: php shouldn't need a command. it'll either be accessed via CGI (so you use external php binaries) or started with lighttpd Mar 23 15:08:40 ccooke: ok not sure why its not working today then. Mar 23 15:09:15 whats happening when you try to call a php file with lighttpd started Mar 23 15:10:18 nidO: proxy server refused connection Mar 23 15:11:45 does php -v at command line output anything? will verify whether it's setup as cli and running, or cgi Mar 23 15:14:36 shouldn't the voting for the council start today ? 0.o Mar 23 15:17:37 VDVsx, council? Mar 23 15:18:42 MohammadAG, yes, Maemo community /council Mar 23 15:18:59 without that stupid slash :p Mar 23 15:19:26 who can we vote for? Mar 23 15:19:41 * MohammadAG votes for infobot Mar 23 15:19:42 there're 10 ppl standing afaik Mar 23 15:19:53 seriously though, where does it start? Mar 23 15:21:46 MohammadAG, should be today or tomorrow, can't remember the exact date Mar 23 15:22:12 you will receive instructions by email if you're eligible to vote Mar 23 15:22:12 X-Fade, Ping? Mar 23 15:22:38 dneary: doing last checks. Mar 23 15:22:40 VDVsx, The mails were supposed to go out last night, but I ran the script on a mail with no mail server configured Mar 23 15:22:45 X-Fade, Thanks Mar 23 15:22:46 March 23 Mar 23 15:22:50 that's today Mar 23 15:23:01 VDVsx, When X-Fade says he's done, then the mail will all go out :) Mar 23 15:23:03 MohammadAG: So plenty of time still ;) Mar 23 15:23:07 MohammadAG, Yes Mar 23 15:23:12 dneary, ah, ok, np :) Mar 23 15:23:33 we've a lot of time Mar 23 15:23:39 X-Fade, technically, yep, 'today' never ends :) Mar 23 15:25:29 hello Mar 23 15:25:40 i'm having problem with my n900. Mar 23 15:26:01 i have no ip addr on my usb0 Mar 23 15:26:12 ( ifconfig usb0 ) Mar 23 15:26:35 can someone point me at instructions for setting up n900 with syncml-obex-client? Mar 23 15:26:46 is there any sample of the file /etc/network/interfaces ? ( just to be sure everything is ok ) Mar 23 15:33:27 is it normal that on my /etc/network/interfaces file i have a place for bne0 configuration ? Mar 23 15:34:21 on a n900? I don't have that Mar 23 15:34:48 some package (e.g. pc-connectivity) could have added it Mar 23 15:35:10 n]: bluetooth dun? Mar 23 15:35:10 because i got an error with ifup usb0 Mar 23 15:35:20 ifup: misplaced option "nface" Mar 23 15:35:39 n], pastebin your whole /etc/network/interfaces Mar 23 15:35:43 looks like a syntax error? Mar 23 15:35:49 yeah Mar 23 15:35:53 it should be iface, not nface Mar 23 15:36:04 how can i paste it? i m on a laptop Mar 23 15:36:10 ssh Mar 23 15:36:14 ssh rules Mar 23 15:36:17 ^ Mar 23 15:36:19 ^^ Mar 23 15:36:20 When using FM Radio and trying to use the internal speakers, the volume slider keeps sliding back to zero. Anyone have an idea what the problem is? Mar 23 15:37:00 nomis, headphone daemon? or what was the name of that package that sets volume to 0 when it detects that you have unplugged your headphones Mar 23 15:37:04 maybe the detection code is buggy Mar 23 15:37:18 and it checks whether the N900 is using the internal speaker instead of checking the headphone port Mar 23 15:37:32 mgedmin, it pauses the track using a dbus signal, doesn't touch the volume Mar 23 15:37:33 it's a 3rd-party package that you may have installed; if not, then it's something else Mar 23 15:37:38 mgedmin: Mhm, I don't think I ever heard of that one, I certainly did not install it. Mar 23 15:37:41 headphoned Mar 23 15:37:43 and I'm apparently wrong about its working mode Mar 23 15:37:49 just a guess Mar 23 15:37:59 fm-radio is buggy Mar 23 15:38:08 doesn't FM Radio need the headphones as antenna? Mar 23 15:38:18 saved 10 channels, only to find them deleted next time I opened Mar 23 15:38:21 * tybollt shall introduce PALMFACEd, for all RST38h pleasures Mar 23 15:38:31 alturiak: yes. Mar 23 15:38:35 alturiak, yes, and it needs bluetooth for the radio chip Mar 23 15:38:43 the successor will be FACEDESKd Mar 23 15:38:58 * noobmonk3y blinks Mar 23 15:39:12 meh effin ovi suite crashes on load :( Mar 23 15:39:22 anyone got blackberry connect working on an E71? :) Mar 23 15:41:38 oh, it can switch to speakers. well. working for me despite having the headphone thingie running, but I'm using the version from -testing Mar 23 15:41:47 /usr/lib/avahi/avahi-daemon-check-dns.sh: line 143: diff: not found Mar 23 15:42:00 with ifup usb0 Mar 23 15:43:03 DocScrutinizer, Stskeeps http://picasaweb.google.com/dominikowski/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCNyqhN_S7vXHfw Mar 23 15:43:19 openmoko hates me Mar 23 15:43:27 doesn't want to bootstrap Mar 23 15:44:47 mm, using the usb charger? Mar 23 15:45:07 yes, and all the tricks with aux button, no aux button, battery in, out, etc Mar 23 15:45:23 had same issue when in spain Mar 23 15:46:01 and they're wondering why open hardware doesn't succeed Mar 23 15:46:05 * tybollt looks around Mar 23 15:46:12 'tis still #maemo - non? Mar 23 15:46:29 Stskeeps, but everything worked fine until you tore the receptacle off , no? Mar 23 15:46:55 TomaszD: didn't turn it on for several months Mar 23 15:47:10 k Mar 23 15:47:40 * noobmonk3y blinks Mar 23 15:49:26 timeless_mbp, may I ask if the browser has buttons in portrait mode? Or is it the same but with a settings option? Mar 23 15:49:48 you get 3 buttons in portrait mode in 1.2 Mar 23 15:50:09 back, exit full screen and bookmarks? Mar 23 15:50:15 (guessed btw) Mar 23 15:50:27 you're right on two of them Mar 23 15:50:36 do you want to play mastermind? Mar 23 15:50:43 why not :P Mar 23 15:50:48 stop button Mar 23 15:50:54 pssst.. middle position ;) Mar 23 15:50:54 2 blacks Mar 23 15:51:04 (for your first round) Mar 23 15:51:18 black = right item, right place Mar 23 15:51:23 white = right item, wrong place Mar 23 15:52:04 i have a crutial question :D Mar 23 15:52:11 back, stop and bookmarks Mar 23 15:52:14 i want to develop python Qt application for the n900. Mar 23 15:52:14 timeless_mbp, ^? Mar 23 15:52:20 2 blacks Mar 23 15:52:21 qt creator + MADDE Mar 23 15:52:28 i have the Virtual Image from maemo Mar 23 15:52:42 ok, then it's back, something, bookmarks Mar 23 15:52:46 is it possible to develop on ubuntu and test the rendering on my n900 ? Mar 23 15:52:48 2 blacks Mar 23 15:52:49 this is torture lol Mar 23 15:52:56 http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE Mar 23 15:53:01 yes Mar 23 15:53:14 first install Maemo 5 SDK Mar 23 15:53:19 back, add bookmark, bookmarks Mar 23 15:53:20 then install qt creator + MADDE Mar 23 15:53:22 timeless_mbp, ^ Mar 23 15:53:27 * tybollt can totally see timeless going MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA in a very diabolical manner. Mar 23 15:53:27 3 blacks Mar 23 15:53:34 I WIN! Mar 23 15:53:36 :P Mar 23 15:53:39 :) Mar 23 15:53:39 ok ptl Mar 23 15:53:47 thanks timeless_mbp :) Mar 23 15:53:51 MohammadAG: Not bad. Mar 23 15:53:57 it was much more fun this way :) Mar 23 15:54:12 * timeless_mbp is really smiling (through the headache) Mar 23 15:54:16 n]: get the maemo 5 sdk here: http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html Mar 23 15:54:20 =) Mar 23 15:54:22 first option Mar 23 15:54:22 timeless_mbp, same heh Mar 23 15:54:23 hopefully reddit.com will work with the updated browser :) Mar 23 15:54:31 n]: it runs on ubuntu Mar 23 15:54:36 X-Fade, thanks ;) Mar 23 15:54:44 petteri: why is redneck.com important? Mar 23 15:54:50 petteri: you're still using some strange third party application? Mar 23 15:54:53 timeless_mbp, hope you get well soon :) Mar 23 15:54:54 * timeless_mbp doesn't get it Mar 23 15:55:08 * timeless_mbp gets a bigger headache Mar 23 15:55:20 aaaaaw Mar 23 15:55:22 what? Mar 23 15:55:46 why the hate :) Mar 23 15:56:00 hate? Mar 23 15:56:14 yes, about my favorite website :)(: Mar 23 15:56:18 We don't deal in hate in here, we hand out pink pwnies to everone Mar 23 15:56:37 petteri: matter of taste, I disslike it :) Mar 23 15:57:14 hmm... maybe I will try if it works on updated scratcbox Mar 23 15:57:55 timeless_mbp, mind if I say it on the 1.2 thread? I'm getting some PMs about it Mar 23 15:58:02 if not, I'll stay shut :) Mar 23 15:59:17 * tybollt can totally see timeless going MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA in a very diabolical manner. LOL Just saw this Mar 23 16:00:43 who's using jira and why? Mar 23 16:00:52 MohammadAG: dunno Mar 23 16:00:57 i'm not an official spokesperson Mar 23 16:01:03 it's probably best not to mention it Mar 23 16:01:12 if people want to figure it out, let them do their own research Mar 23 16:01:30 as far as i'm concerned, anything konttori approves, you should be free to say :) Mar 23 16:01:35 hey guys Mar 23 16:01:42 PR1.2 new os is fake? Mar 23 16:02:00 timeless_mbp: huh? you use jira what it is for and thati s why Mar 23 16:02:05 http://www.nokian900applications.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/pr12_n900.png Mar 23 16:02:10 ?? Mar 23 16:02:12 timeless_mbp: that's like asking "why are you eating a hamburger" Mar 23 16:02:29 reply plz Mar 23 16:02:42 hey guys, someone know if there is any way to get the statusbar popup menu appearing from a command line ? ( or with a some lines of code ) Mar 23 16:03:27 timeless_mbp: anyway yes I use jira, although mostly its brother confluence. Mar 23 16:03:38 oh and as an admin - I totally hate it :) Mar 23 16:03:58 hi Mar 23 16:04:09 heh Mar 23 16:06:23 timeless_mbp: why do you use it? :P Mar 23 16:06:32 i generally don't Mar 23 16:07:35 what package is "ls" part of Mar 23 16:08:02 oh ... busybox? :P Mar 23 16:08:02 MohammadAG: dpkg -S `which ls` Mar 23 16:10:07 hey Mar 23 16:10:10 reply plz Mar 23 16:10:16 http://storyofstuff.org/bottledwater/ Mar 23 16:10:20 new os PR1.2 is fake? Mar 23 16:10:22 * timeless_mbp wonders about the odds of nokia supporting that... Mar 23 16:10:35 * italodance slaps |R around a bit with a large trout Mar 23 16:10:42 italodance: i'm pretty sure we've announced that a 1.2 will happen Mar 23 16:10:55 lol. Mar 23 16:10:55 italodance: you just have to wait and see Mar 23 16:11:01 timeless_mbp tnx so it's real? Mar 23 16:11:22 petteri i knew and was an old member here from 2007 Mar 23 16:11:33 but missed my n800 Mar 23 16:12:02 1.2 will exist Mar 23 16:12:06 its contents … dunno Mar 23 16:12:18 some of the things in the url you listed seem correct Mar 23 16:12:18 this: http://www.nokian900applications.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/pr12_n900.png Mar 23 16:12:22 i don't know about some of them Mar 23 16:12:28 ok Mar 23 16:12:29 yes Mar 23 16:12:41 but asking repeatedly is incredibly annoying Mar 23 16:12:44 don't ever do that again Mar 23 16:13:17 ok Mar 23 16:13:40 italodance, PR1.2 is real, changes found in the SDK are on talk.maemo.org Mar 23 16:14:25 timeless_mbp: nokia supporting bottled water? Mar 23 16:14:42 * tybollt wants some of that stuff Tim E. is smoking, myst be primo stuff... Mar 23 16:14:48 must, too Mar 23 16:15:25 finland doesn't believe in water fountains Mar 23 16:15:41 most finns probably wouldn't even recognize or understand how or why to operate one Mar 23 16:16:30 they don't exist in .se either Mar 23 16:16:49 there are however these silly "water coolers" in some places but mostly tap water all around Mar 23 16:19:05 timeless_mbp, is water fountain thing that shoots water upwards in an arc on request? Mar 23 16:19:14 yes Mar 23 16:19:22 those are cool Mar 23 16:19:34 I grew up in finland and we had them in school :) Mar 23 16:19:42 really? Mar 23 16:19:45 we have them at the golf course Mar 23 16:19:46 yes Mar 23 16:19:51 hrm Mar 23 16:20:02 in the states, you can find them in offices too Mar 23 16:20:12 i haven't seen them in many offices in HEL Mar 23 16:20:22 I've only ever seen them in elementary/highschool settings though Mar 23 16:20:26 they don't suit offices really Mar 23 16:20:39 you stick them next to the toilets... Mar 23 16:20:39 given the ease of making the floor wet Mar 23 16:20:47 offices generally just go for water coolers here rather than fountains Mar 23 16:21:04 we don't have coolers either Mar 23 16:21:08 At work there's a faucet with a cup dispenser next to it :-) Mar 23 16:21:31 Some people use it as inverted fountain and stick their head under it to drink Mar 23 16:21:51 That'd make a great picture "Rest of the world vs finland" :-) Mar 23 16:23:55 I want something cool to do with n900 Mar 23 16:24:30 install phototranslate and go wild Mar 23 16:25:16 C-S-B-N900: Create a voice-text app. Mar 23 16:25:44 C-S-B-N900, attach multiple n900s to a coat and use cameras on opposite sides to show images through and have an invisibility cloak Mar 23 16:25:45 I have to admit espeak + ssh + unsuspecting girlfriend is by far the most fun i've had with mine Mar 23 16:25:52 photo translate? Mar 23 16:26:05 ive done ssh and espeak. Mar 23 16:26:14 nidO: i'm still surprised she kept you ;-) Mar 23 16:26:26 phototranslate's an app in -devel, camera + OCR + google translate api Mar 23 16:26:40 can take photos of stuff and get it translated into a multitude of languages Mar 23 16:26:46 damn handy for holidays. Mar 23 16:27:05 hahaha Mar 23 16:27:14 Stskeeps, works Mar 23 16:27:16 ive also have you done ss-x running cheese to spy on people with the laptop webcam Mar 23 16:27:45 photo translates ocr, any good? Mar 23 16:28:23 nidO: does that require a connection? Mar 23 16:28:25 guess it does Mar 23 16:28:26 I only very briefly used it and its a very early release so has some nonworking stuff, but it's looking pretty awesome already Mar 23 16:28:36 or can you DL the translation languages? Mar 23 16:28:55 cause if I take the N900 abroad i wont let it connect to anything but wifi Mar 23 16:29:10 and even at that gotta watch out for man in the middle attacks Mar 23 16:29:40 Stskeeps, you don't want to know what the initial problem was :P Mar 23 16:29:52 atm the app uses tesseract to handle the ocr but google translate for translations so you do need a net connection to handle the actual translation of stuff Mar 23 16:30:58 I guess if the tesseract language packs are there already a local translation should be implementable, though it'd be much worse than google translate Mar 23 16:31:38 Ugh, the new vkb looks completely unusable Mar 23 16:31:48 still its a good point about the roaming costs Mar 23 16:31:49 there's a new vkb? Mar 23 16:31:53 Ring up another one for Nokia's incompetence. Mar 23 16:32:12 Council voting mails should be going out now. Mar 23 16:32:30 TomaszD: ? Mar 23 16:32:32 C-S-B-N900: yeah definitely, personally the optimal setup for that app would be a choice between a rough local translate or a better ota one using google Mar 23 16:32:40 so that you can choose between cheap or accurate when roaming Mar 23 16:33:34 still, its novel. Mar 23 16:34:15 Does anyone else have lust for neopwn? do you think theyve hacked the wlan0 driver or usb host? Mar 23 16:34:19 Stskeeps, I mistook the power button for the aux button Mar 23 16:35:29 anyone know of a realease date for it? Mar 23 16:35:37 no Mar 23 16:35:43 (at least I don't) Mar 23 16:35:48 Stskeeps, the software on this thing is absolutely atrocious lol Mar 23 16:36:01 http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/i%20do%20not%20own%20a%20vehicle.png Mar 23 16:36:04 * timeless_mbp sighs Mar 23 16:36:44 thats a well-designed form then. Mar 23 16:36:45 speaking of roaming, I do have a question about 3g-usage: despite being set to "Data Roaming: Always allow", my N900 pops up a list of usable wifis and the 3g-connection when I'm out of reach of my usual wifis. Shouldn't it select 3g automatically when set to "always allow"? Mar 23 16:37:03 timeless_mbp, what vehicle do you own? Mar 23 16:37:05 :P Mar 23 16:38:24 alturiak - have you got "connect automatically" set to "any connection" in internet connection settings? Mar 23 16:39:00 MohammadAG: a 2009 'i do not own a vehicle, i do not own a vehicle, i do not own a vehicle' Mar 23 16:39:10 GAN900: Didn't you get enough misery the first time around? Mar 23 16:39:20 ps, they rejected me from the survey pool Mar 23 16:39:20 timeless_mbp, what radio system does it have? Mar 23 16:39:26 LOL Mar 23 16:39:35 MohammadAG: ghetto drop down? :) Mar 23 16:39:37 nidO: christ. no, I didn't. thanks a lot. I'm still getting confused over the two places for these settings. Mar 23 16:41:55 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4457762388/ Mar 23 16:42:08 eats! Mar 23 16:48:04 Woo! I'm eligable to vote in the election! Bribes by PM please. Mar 23 16:48:07 :) Mar 23 16:48:18 no mail for me yet /wrists Mar 23 16:48:28 * SpeedEvil should probably read stuff about it I guess. Mar 23 16:49:13 Hi, how can I find if I am using sb PR 1 or PR 2 for fremantle target. I have installed sbox on my machine, but not aware of version. Mar 23 16:50:54 derf, apparently I'm a sucker for punishment? Mar 23 16:51:11 who wants to buy my vote for the council? Mar 23 16:51:14 Gotta love it when people rip of other people's work wholesale Mar 23 16:51:14 ;-) Mar 23 16:51:26 www.maemo-nokian900.com Mar 23 16:51:35 SudhirMathane, apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade Mar 23 16:51:43 all with fakeroot of course Mar 23 16:52:16 Hello everybody, i just got hold of a N900 and i need a pointer to a valuable tutorial to begin coding on it. My OS on my laptop is ubuntu. I would be very happy if anybody can help :) Mar 23 16:52:24 votes are out! Mar 23 16:52:31 X-Fade, Thanks Mar 23 16:52:32 moza: download SDK Mar 23 16:52:44 MohammadAG: thanks, let me try it now Mar 23 16:52:54 moza: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk/ Mar 23 16:53:00 and RTFM Mar 23 16:53:04 vodes are out or votes are still going out? Mar 23 16:53:09 It's too late to buy my vote. Mar 23 16:53:09 votes* Mar 23 16:53:13 I have already voted. Mar 23 16:53:13 Thanks jacekowski, exactly what i needed :) thanks a lot :) Mar 23 16:53:35 I got an invite!!! not :( Mar 23 16:57:40 TomaszD: Stskeeps: told ya "don't ruin the battery, keep it separate and charged" Mar 23 16:58:00 It's still unclear to me how one actually gets to vote in these things. Mar 23 16:58:54 derf, 10 karma, 3 month old maemo.org account. Mar 23 16:59:28 dneary: I see you changed the Chipa misspeling, but it's still a near miss :) :( s/z/s/ Mar 23 16:59:52 Oh, that's a nice and low bar. Mar 23 17:00:55 Does there users of PyGTKEditor here ? Mar 23 17:02:18 TomaszD: yes, default sw is horrendous Mar 23 17:02:23 at least tangogps is nice :P Mar 23 17:03:32 yeah I can't even reach settings Mar 23 17:05:34 how many hours of ebook reading can I get from a n800 Mar 23 17:06:20 About 6? Mar 23 17:06:26 Somewhere in that ballpark, anyway. Mar 23 17:06:42 which server is this Mar 23 17:06:51 i wanna access this channel in mirc Mar 23 17:07:10 irc.freenode.net Mar 23 17:07:40 :Dhast Mar 23 17:09:36 hey guys Mar 23 17:11:09 guys is there a way to watch shoutcast tv on n900 Mar 23 17:12:46 argh lately my N900 has started to randomly reboot itself Mar 23 17:12:52 I thought that was fixed in an update Mar 23 17:14:32 re Mar 23 17:14:46 hello Mar 23 17:14:52 hi Mar 23 17:15:00 "The e-mail address and token you gave do not match an existing voter, or you have already voted." - voting starts tomorrow or in other "23rd March 2010"? Mar 23 17:15:22 hrw: i just voted a few mins ago Mar 23 17:15:23 guys what PR1.1 stands for and what is it Mar 23 17:15:44 lookatu: an out of date update to the sales release Mar 23 17:16:25 looks like pr stands for 'public release' Mar 23 17:16:36 ahhh ok ... Ive recently update to latest firmware 3.2 Mar 23 17:16:37 at least that's what some random sites guessed it means Mar 23 17:16:39 that's what I guessed too :P Mar 23 17:16:47 :) Mar 23 17:16:53 * timeless_mbp thinks the guess is wrong, but anyway Mar 23 17:17:02 lookatu: um, of what product? Mar 23 17:17:07 maemo Mar 23 17:17:13 Ehh Mar 23 17:17:14 because we might or might not have shipped a 1.2 of maemo 5 Mar 23 17:17:21 what hardware do you have? Mar 23 17:17:23 hrw: Worked for me. Mar 23 17:17:26 770? n800? Mar 23 17:17:35 gimme 1 sec lemme check, im talkin about n900 Mar 23 17:17:46 You don't have 3.2 then :) Mar 23 17:17:47 well, that version doesn't exist Mar 23 17:17:52 3.2010.02-8 is what mine says :> Mar 23 17:18:01 yeah thats it Mar 23 17:18:02 ok, got it Mar 23 17:18:12 ah that's 1.1.1 I think Mar 23 17:18:44 Ive to say this mobile is the best Mar 23 17:18:57 it can do almost everything Mar 23 17:19:18 Good day Mar 23 17:19:22 it didnt make me a cup of tea this morning :( Mar 23 17:19:33 just one thing bugs me is that u cant use it for skype video calls and cant initiate video talk at all for gtalk Mar 23 17:19:33 it needs lasers so we can attach it to sharks Mar 23 17:19:41 and that needs waterproofing Mar 23 17:20:02 I think video calls are coming later on Mar 23 17:20:14 THey wouldn't have put a front camera in if they weren't. Mar 23 17:20:22 google talk video calls probably Mar 23 17:20:39 maybe even skype Mar 23 17:20:40 yep haven't found any way to stream video directly from the device Mar 23 17:20:42 by any means Mar 23 17:20:51 MiXu-, well N8x0 had front webcams and only ever had google talk video calls :) Mar 23 17:20:56 easy, use VLC Mar 23 17:21:08 ShadowJK: Did N8x0 have Skype support built in to begin with? Mar 23 17:21:17 N810 yes Mar 23 17:21:23 ok Mar 23 17:21:27 I don't get the point of video calls Mar 23 17:21:28 ShadowJK: The proximity sensor isn't based on a laser? Mar 23 17:21:44 derf: no it's infrared Mar 23 17:21:51 laser that would cut your brain Mar 23 17:21:55 They make infrared lasers. Mar 23 17:22:06 rt: @lcuk #maemo council candidates: can you all summarise your manifesto in a single tweet? #n900 #meego Mar 23 17:22:09 it's proximity, not a distance meter :) Mar 23 17:22:19 im literally glad that n900 can play flash videos on justin.tv Mar 23 17:22:25 Boo. Mar 23 17:22:25 it was supposed to take phone calls a step forward by making you able to see the other person, but.. I think it has failed mainly because of its high prices compared to regular phone calls Mar 23 17:22:41 and most "simple normal phones" don't support it.. Mar 23 17:22:53 that depends where you live though, in the uk "high price" for video calling is a misnomer Mar 23 17:23:12 every major carrier treats video calls as normal calls, as far as using bundled contract minutes is concerned Mar 23 17:23:43 Funnyface, I doubt 3g video calls will ever be supported Mar 23 17:24:16 last time I checked, they were like £1 per minute.. but then I haven't checked for a long long time Mar 23 17:24:25 because I never found video calls that useful :P Mar 23 17:25:21 gtalk and skype are awesome for voip but I was surprised that they didnt include msn messenger or yahoo cuz most of my friends are on them Mar 23 17:25:35 install pidgin Mar 23 17:26:06 then you have most of your IM stuff with you :P Mar 23 17:26:25 What's the situation with msn these days? Is it still a arms race between microsoft trying to cripple other clients than their windows/microsoft messenger, and developers trying to get around all the blocks microsoft puts up? Mar 23 17:26:51 Funnyface it must be a long long time ago, certainly on o2 contracts video calling has always been bundled into monthly minutes, and outside of them the cost is like 5p more than normal mobile<>mobile calls Mar 23 17:27:03 I believe pidgin uses there own server to relay all these communication ... I dont wanna give them my username and password of msn/yahoo ... or am I wrong Mar 23 17:27:07 nid0: I am not in the UK btw :P Mar 23 17:27:14 ah ok Mar 23 17:27:18 lookatu, I think that's fring Mar 23 17:27:32 that'd be alot more power optimal than doing straight msn though :) Mar 23 17:28:13 ohhh yeah fring Mar 23 17:28:28 and I guess you could use web messengers with the maemo browser Mar 23 17:28:33 I remember u can use skype video as well using their software Mar 23 17:28:34 but, not very power efficient.. Mar 23 17:30:04 is there any good tutorials to get a ready to go environment to start making application ( python-Qt ) for n900 ? Mar 23 17:30:24 next thing which ive been desperately searching now are mms, rtsp video streaming links ... so I can watch streamin video on n900 Mar 23 17:30:42 n], sudo apt-get intall pygtkeditor python-pyside Mar 23 17:30:43 :) Mar 23 17:31:11 I couldnt find justin.tv channel mms or rtsp link at all Mar 23 17:31:17 is it possible to developp on Ubuntu and have a rendering on n900 ? Mar 23 17:31:38 or is there any possibility to have a rendering ( n900 like ) on ubuntu ) Mar 23 17:32:02 n], connect to device by fusessh ... open file with gedit Mar 23 17:32:21 :/ Mar 23 17:32:21 open a terminal ... ssh to your n900 Mar 23 17:32:31 and then launch your pyscript Mar 23 17:32:34 works well Mar 23 17:32:38 hum ok Mar 23 17:32:52 but you can install also scratchbox Mar 23 17:32:53 networking is not working on windows right? Mar 23 17:32:57 and xephyr Mar 23 17:33:06 never heard of that Mar 23 17:33:31 or ... worse ... use eclipse with pluton and networking connectivity Mar 23 17:33:57 i can actaully ssh from my ubuntu to my n900 Mar 23 17:34:36 but is there any n900 emulator working on ubuntu/windows Mar 23 17:34:52 there are couple of things that programmers should develop software for n900 ... winamp (shoutcast radio and shoutcast tv), greasemonkey support for firefox and client server application between pc and n900 so u can stream media off your computer Mar 23 17:34:52 just to see the rendering of an application Mar 23 17:36:03 i was surprised that justin.tv has released their dedicated application for iphone Mar 23 17:37:07 I'm sure there's a dozen shoutcast apps already.. Mar 23 17:37:08 lookatu: there is already greasemonkey support for the microb Mar 23 17:37:12 or atleast in development Mar 23 17:38:00 lookatu: also the mediaplayer supports upnp Mar 23 17:38:46 its basically only audio though atm Mar 23 17:39:06 hold the phone ... ShadowJK ... so u r sayin that I can watch shoutcast tv on n900 and Hoxzer_ greasemonkey support is already available for maemo browser. Mar 23 17:40:03 * Trizt don't know which candidate to vote for Mar 23 17:40:20 Noobmonk3y_, Healthcheck update, did you fix the PR1.2 stuff? Mar 23 17:40:38 Mickey Mouse! Donald Duck. Ronald Reagan Mar 23 17:40:39 ShadowJK ... what software do u use for shoutcast Mar 23 17:41:13 Hoxzer ... how do u install greasemonkey for browser ... cuz I seriously wanna scripts for youtube.com Mar 23 17:41:19 oh, you can select what to test, nice :) Mar 23 17:41:37 lookatu: it is in the maemo testing just google it Mar 23 17:42:04 * Hoxzer_ has it installed Mar 23 17:42:07 TomaszD: /join #openmoko. Read ~#openmoko-cdevel-BB-RL Mar 23 17:42:11 ahhh ... ok Mar 23 17:42:55 What's achipa's surname? Mar 23 17:43:02 ~tell TomaszD about #openmoko-cdevel-BB-RL Mar 23 17:43:44 Hoxzer ... thanks Mar 23 17:44:06 :) np Mar 23 17:44:11 now ShadowJK about shoutcast little heads up will be gr8ly appreciated Mar 23 17:44:53 tbh i never liked any of the software and just clicked things on the website... Mar 23 17:45:39 MohammadAG; PR1.2 out soon? Mar 23 17:45:53 I don't know any dates Mar 23 17:45:58 and I'm not starting rumors Mar 23 17:46:10 hopefully 2010, but don't take my word for it Mar 23 17:46:17 before 2036! Mar 23 17:46:18 whats that you say MohammadAG, tomorrow?! Mar 23 17:46:23 MohammadAG; I'm so bored, I need a rumor Mar 23 17:46:41 Trizt, it's going to be available yesterday, 2009 Mar 23 17:46:44 DocScrutinizer, thanks Mar 23 17:47:11 before 2036! don't spread rumors! :p Mar 23 17:47:17 MohammadAG, not sure what is left to do other then version numbers, which i dont kno. Mar 23 17:47:17 MohammadAG; Cool, did they remove multitasking so it would be more iPhone like? Mar 23 17:47:20 could take more Mar 23 17:47:49 Trizt, nah, they added "System Wide Detection Services" Mar 23 17:47:51 like windows 7 Mar 23 17:47:55 MohammadAG: ok, sometime after Jan 1, 2001? :) Mar 23 17:47:58 (windows phone 7_ Mar 23 17:47:58 )* Mar 23 17:48:20 what does that do? detect if it's a ms-windows-7-mobile? Mar 23 17:48:30 timeless_mbp, could be before, if a time machine was created some time in the future, we'd all have since launch in 1990 Mar 23 17:48:46 have PR1.2* Mar 23 17:48:57 i shouldn't comment on time machine availability Mar 23 17:49:09 see PR1.2 ... is it available to end users Mar 23 17:49:11 but most likely the use of a time machine would just slow things down ;-) Mar 23 17:49:15 cause you're timeless! Mar 23 17:49:22 :) Mar 23 17:49:39 * MohammadAG thinks this time machine stuff would never happen Mar 23 17:49:41 by any chance ... and i mean by anychance is there any new about vmware kind of software for n900 Mar 23 17:49:50 cause the future isn't going at the same rate as us Mar 23 17:49:56 so there's a future for the future Mar 23 17:50:00 * MohammadAG goes into loop mode Mar 23 17:50:07 lookatu: beyond vmware announcing they had an impl for the n800? Mar 23 17:50:09 lookatu; kvm ? ;P Mar 23 17:50:34 Noobmonk3y_, hmm, test if it can run all apps at once? Mar 23 17:50:42 kvm Mar 23 17:50:49 lemme see on youtube about it Mar 23 17:51:00 just execute all .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/hildon :p Mar 23 17:52:01 MohammadAG, ? Mar 23 17:53:02 Noobmonk3y_, Stress test Mar 23 17:53:13 lol.... Mar 23 17:58:37 Hi, i did something bad, i installed the scratchbox without checking that i had enough disk space. The problem is that i don't have a byte of disk space left, and that i don't find a command to erase what the scratchbox installer did. Mar 23 18:00:13 rm -r /scratchbox/ Mar 23 18:00:21 do you think it is ok if i just erase the /scratchbox directory? Mar 23 18:00:31 moza: yes, that will work Mar 23 18:00:31 obviously C-S-B thinks that yes :) Mar 23 18:00:35 ok, thanks Mar 23 18:04:22 Khertan: you're really packing up from *.maemo.org it looks like... Mar 23 18:08:05 Elections now started - best of luck to all the council hopefuls! Mar 23 18:11:30 * satmd just wishes opensync/syncml's source wasn't such a mess of incosistency Mar 23 18:15:58 Quick question before I got guitar lessons: Does the n900 screen (resistive touch) last forever, compared to capacitive which lasts 2 years? (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen) Mar 23 18:16:39 MarcusM, I've had an iPAQ HX2795 for about 6 years Mar 23 18:16:43 or more, not sure Mar 23 18:17:28 MohammadAG: say what? (17:57) Mar 23 18:17:31 And that is Resistive? Perfect. I wouldn't want to pay the ~500 euroes for something that didn't last longer. Mar 23 18:18:31 konttori, huh Mar 23 18:18:47 MarcusM, yeah, capacitive wasn't widespread till the iThing arrived Mar 23 18:18:52 Another question: It is technically possible to get a virus on the n900, right? :P Mar 23 18:18:59 * konttori has stopped trying to figure out marketing deps and resorts on communication that anything developed in open source and has been committed to a public repo is perfectly fine to discuss in public. Mar 23 18:19:24 what I noticed today is that the n900 screen is extremely good in bright sunlight Mar 23 18:19:25 konttori: that got someone in trouble Mar 23 18:19:29 it seems like my shortcuts to Phone and Conversations just keeps lagging like hell once the phone has been switched on for more than 1,5 days non-stop. Mar 23 18:19:34 karoliina (sp) Mar 23 18:19:53 timeless_mbp: ah, yes, indeed. However, it was a very political thing they were discussing about Mar 23 18:19:56 Shapeshifter: That's good, as I might only get mine in a month, and the sun should hopefully be shining a tad more then. Mar 23 18:20:01 konttori: yeah well Mar 23 18:20:10 sure, I agree. Mar 23 18:20:17 imo it was more that she did a professional job and they had released a PoC video which looked like Ass in comparison Mar 23 18:20:36 showing up upper management on their proud day is just well… unfortunate timing :) Mar 23 18:21:05 why talk here Mar 23 18:21:35 the us torture stste won Mar 23 18:21:44 inhtel Mar 23 18:22:00 Another question: It is technically possible to get a virus on the n900, right? :P no Mar 23 18:22:11 moo pupnik Mar 23 18:22:27 MohammadAG: sure it is Mar 23 18:22:29 MohammedAG: Why not? It is running Linux, and I'm pretty sure Linux can have virus, even though it isn't the popular an OS to have virus on. Mar 23 18:22:44 Shapeshifter, how Mar 23 18:23:00 unless a .sh file is given, and the user sets it as executable and runs it as root Mar 23 18:23:17 MarcusM, chances are you'll never get one Mar 23 18:23:21 MohammadAG: just write one, send it to someone, get them to run it. with root if neccessary (tell them its an app, package it, and make them install it through clicky ham) Mar 23 18:23:27 There are tjoans for Linux, but still not seen any real viruses Mar 23 18:23:30 Thought so. Mar 23 18:24:02 s/tjoans/trojans/ Mar 23 18:24:03 Trizt meant: There are trojans for Linux, but still not seen any real viruses Mar 23 18:24:09 MohammadAG: true, they're very rare. but there -are- security flaws here and there which can be hacked without using a virus Mar 23 18:24:24 why bother with packaging something. Just make the damned thing go to a webpage with xss/javascript vulnerability being used and there you have it Mar 23 18:24:42 virus is so passé Mar 23 18:24:50 NoScript<3 Mar 23 18:24:59 * javispedro notes that you actually can hardware brick a n900 if you have root... Mar 23 18:25:14 javispedro: how? fry it? Mar 23 18:25:20 I'm scared now :p Mar 23 18:25:25 I thought it turns off automatically when overheating Mar 23 18:25:33 no, that's amateur Mar 23 18:26:11 (but if it were to be charging the explosion could be nice... * goes off to his evil lab * ) Mar 23 18:27:32 Shapeshifter, quite simple Mar 23 18:27:45 open terminal, type root, get up to the last floor and type halt then drop it Mar 23 18:27:56 puaf Mar 23 18:28:24 that's so professional I'm going to ask mg edmin (not to ping him needlessly) to erase the logs of this Mar 23 18:28:49 (I just said halt so that it doesn't feel hurt when it falls) Mar 23 18:29:16 javispedro, well I am a pro :P Mar 23 18:30:27 so, why can we all vote for the council? I know only 3 or 4 of the names on the list, and only by seeing them here or on the forums somewhere Mar 23 18:30:54 that puts me in a good position I guess, so don't vote! :) Mar 23 18:31:17 Yeah I don't think I'm qualified to vote. Mar 23 18:31:49 my N900 has been pinging low battery for 7 hours now. Mar 23 18:31:55 time to replace it... Mar 23 18:32:10 huh how do you get that? Mar 23 18:32:36 mine works half an hour on low batt when i dont disable/disconnect anything Mar 23 18:32:40 dunno, I guess the meter doesn't want to admit that he got the prediction wrong Mar 23 18:32:46 ah Mar 23 18:33:20 * cehteh would like to set the low-bat alarm higher, but i dint found a config for that yet Mar 23 18:34:03 (because 7 hours ago I moved it to another Wi-Fi AP that I have carefully configured for maximum powersaving settings. The one I did my 4day battery test :) ) Mar 23 18:34:33 max powersave doesnt work for me, connections become very unreliable then Mar 23 18:34:34 hi Mar 23 18:34:44 maybe i need a better ap Mar 23 18:34:47 About to vote but i donno many users ... Mar 23 18:34:58 Shapeshifter: you don't have to use all your votes just vote for the ones you know if you wanyt Mar 23 18:35:02 cehteh: think so. the only thing powersaving should add is roundtrip time Mar 23 18:35:25 Stskeeps : is there any "openness candidate" ? Mar 23 18:35:30 wait, what? Mar 23 18:35:31 :P Mar 23 18:35:39 i get timeouts and interrupted streams when hearing webradio Mar 23 18:35:59 chenca: had this on wifi wpa2 psk Mar 23 18:36:08 with moderate powersaving roundtrip can be as high as 1 minute here when nothing else goes over the ent Mar 23 18:36:30 are there candidates's program online ? Mar 23 18:37:16 cehteh: impossible, something is wrong Mar 23 18:37:26 cehteh: we're talking about ms here. Mar 23 18:37:30 i saied that .. the AP is crap Mar 23 18:37:31 rzr: on the wiki yes Mar 23 18:37:48 quite old dlink ap ... Mar 23 18:37:57 true Mar 23 18:37:57 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Candidate_declarations_for_March_2010 Mar 23 18:37:59 cehteh: works for me. With a moderately old dynamode AP Mar 23 18:38:12 (which violates the GPL :( ) Mar 23 18:38:18 ap is from 2003 or so, cant remember Mar 23 18:38:47 2006 here Mar 23 18:39:11 and its DLink ... never buy dlink Mar 23 18:39:26 * rzr voted with the help of /dev/random Mar 23 18:39:29 * javispedro checks his AP brand... Mar 23 18:39:31 D-Link. Mar 23 18:39:38 hehe Mar 23 18:39:54 dwl 2000ap+ or so Mar 23 18:40:17 * AndrewFBlack_ sits amazed again its impossible to connect anything but Windows to his work network Mar 23 18:40:33 for the first few firmware updates i had to call a friend with a windows laptop because the firmware uploader is web-interface based and only worked in IE Mar 23 18:40:37 what a crap Mar 23 18:40:47 can't see the model no from here, but it's one of those with adsl2 modem and linux but with so little memory that it's not useful. Mar 23 18:41:00 this is a pure AP, no router Mar 23 18:41:11 and propietary OS Mar 23 18:42:04 * AndrewFBlack_ beats his head on the wall... Mar 23 18:42:11 poor wall Mar 23 18:48:37 it strange how in my appartment one can get all the modes fron 2.5g to 3.5g Mar 23 18:48:47 window, not window Mar 23 18:48:48 :P Mar 23 18:48:57 *it's Mar 23 18:49:30 lucky you. I can only get 3.5G or cancer. Mar 23 18:54:54 anyone know how to convert games to work with the psx emu's in extras-dev I converted from cue to iso, and from bin to iso, but the emu's won't recognize them Mar 23 18:57:37 javispedro: When you are getting cancer, what does the N900's status bar say? Mar 23 18:57:55 javispedro: does it actually show a tiny crustacean? =) Mar 23 18:57:57 user fault\ shutting down in 10s Mar 23 18:58:03 =P Mar 23 18:58:37 wheee Mar 23 18:58:42 found a calendar bug Mar 23 18:59:17 in what firmware :P Mar 23 18:59:22 two of my contacts have birthday on the beginning of the next month. Mar 23 18:59:28 now it shows the latter one Mar 23 18:59:44 and reloading the calendar for few times will make it realise the first one as well Mar 23 18:59:53 and after yet another few reloads, it forgets about it *again* Mar 23 18:59:58 lol Mar 23 19:00:05 maybe it doesn't like that contact Mar 23 19:00:39 apparently Mar 23 19:01:00 ahh Mar 23 19:01:13 that birthday has been taken from msn-contacts Mar 23 19:03:37 maybe merge contact fixes the bug Mar 23 19:05:44 I would like it very very much if the all contacts list would show an icon according to protocols with what you can contact the contact Mar 23 19:06:21 lo goshawk Mar 23 19:06:32 hi Stskeeps Mar 23 19:06:37 how's it going? Mar 23 19:06:37 nice to see you again Mar 23 19:06:40 very good Mar 23 19:06:43 * RST38h moos at Stskeeps evilly Mar 23 19:06:44 i've got a n900 Mar 23 19:06:48 ;) Mar 23 19:06:52 hehe, good :) Mar 23 19:07:09 gonna develop a jaikuspot-like application anytime soon Mar 23 19:07:23 in the meantime i was learning about bluetooth thetering Mar 23 19:07:34 ah.. let me congratulate with your posts on maemo.org about meego Mar 23 19:07:37 nice move Mar 23 19:07:45 n900 as server or n900 as blueooth tethering client? Mar 23 19:07:57 n900 as server Mar 23 19:08:07 pc -> n900 -> umts internet Mar 23 19:08:18 i've installed the bluetooth thetering application Mar 23 19:08:29 i've associated the n900 with my pc with blueman Mar 23 19:08:29 yeah Mar 23 19:08:37 i enabled it with dialup service Mar 23 19:08:44 I did that too today, and my N810 tethered without problems :-) Mar 23 19:08:47 but when i do that networkmanager complains that The device Nokia N900 does not appear to support GSM/CDMA. Mar 23 19:08:47 This connection will not work. Mar 23 19:08:56 oh :/ Mar 23 19:09:02 goshawk: think the place that gave the freerunner will take a USB plug repair if it fell off? ;) Mar 23 19:09:25 Stskeeps: nope, they fired me Mar 23 19:09:40 Stskeeps: they are going to be very opensource-aware Mar 23 19:09:59 i mean... then don't wanna develop free software anymore Mar 23 19:10:14 Stskeeps: do you know people having the same problem as me with n900? Mar 23 19:11:07 hi all Mar 23 19:11:40 what editor should I use on a pc to write python? Mar 23 19:12:14 cityLights2, mmm theres a few good open source cross platform ide/editors Mar 23 19:12:14 emacs? Mar 23 19:12:15 excluding vim Mar 23 19:12:16 there is only one editor, vi Mar 23 19:12:17 i like komodo Mar 23 19:12:24 hehe let the war begin Mar 23 19:12:29 ;-) Mar 23 19:12:29 wordstar Mar 23 19:12:35 ed! Mar 23 19:12:36 joe Mar 23 19:12:40 * nidO smacks everyone with a nano manpage Mar 23 19:12:53 * lcuk reads the nano manpage with notepad Mar 23 19:13:07 * SpeedEvil watches as the paperclip wades into the argument, and massacres everyone. Mar 23 19:13:08 actually, notepad will fail Mar 23 19:13:08 * cehteh uses emacs and nano Mar 23 19:13:09 nid0, does an editor with no features whatsoever have a manpage? Mar 23 19:13:21 those pesky linux people forgot to include the extra LF character Mar 23 19:13:28 that must be the bit you have to pay for Mar 23 19:13:35 NANO(1) NANO(1) Mar 23 19:13:38 NANO! Mar 23 19:13:38 apparently it does. Mar 23 19:13:40 NANO!!! Mar 23 19:13:44 nano is quite powerful for its size, most people dont know it Mar 23 19:13:45 lcuk, that's a byte! Mar 23 19:13:46 geany? eclipse? Mar 23 19:13:49 (its features) Mar 23 19:14:03 well its tough to chew Mar 23 19:14:03 * RST38h installs eclipse onto cityLights2 Mar 23 19:14:16 eclipse for the n900! :P Mar 23 19:14:21 that pesky byte has caused more failures in computer systems than any other character ! Mar 23 19:14:24 Yea, you do it Mar 23 19:14:27 I like writing java on eclipse Mar 23 19:14:38 lcuk: Have never seen it to cause any failures, weirdly Mar 23 19:15:04 windows has a habit of adding it Mar 23 19:15:18 oh crap, its noobmonk3y quick, hide the poker tables Mar 23 19:15:33 lcuk: Uncontrolled memory allocation, unchecked pointers, buffer overflows, static variables inside function bodies easily take the top prize Mar 23 19:15:41 ok, second question: can I use icd2 to trigger udhcpc? Mar 23 19:16:08 luck: pls name one python ide Mar 23 19:16:11 bleugh ok Mar 23 19:16:17 komodo Mar 23 19:16:36 eix komodo Mar 23 19:16:37 No matches found. Mar 23 19:16:43 eix blueugh Mar 23 19:16:43 No matches found Mar 23 19:16:55 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/309135/komodo-edit-and-notepad-pros-cons-python-dev Mar 23 19:17:01 * noobmonk3y blinks Mar 23 19:17:02 cityLights2: eric Mar 23 19:17:08 * noobmonk3y runs and hides..... noobmonk3y, where? Mar 23 19:17:22 A full featured Python IDE using PyQt4 and QScintilla Mar 23 19:17:24 nice Mar 23 19:17:33 cityLights2 - notepad, best pythong ide i have found hehehe Mar 23 19:17:49 qt designer is pretty much your only bet with something like eric Mar 23 19:17:52 but its not great Mar 23 19:17:56 python has an official ide .. 'idle' Mar 23 19:18:04 :D thats what i use ;) Mar 23 19:18:19 and pyGTKeditor on the n900 Mar 23 19:18:33 * RST38h suggests writing Python IDE in PERL Mar 23 19:18:33 where is run-standalone.sh ? Mar 23 19:18:37 Just for the hell of it Mar 23 19:18:44 isnt there a python plugin for irssi ? Mar 23 19:18:46 lol RST38h Mar 23 19:18:49 i want to run my QtApplication and can't find that file Mar 23 19:18:49 is there? Mar 23 19:18:57 n] python? Mar 23 19:19:10 boogeyman, yeah Mar 23 19:19:12 just type python <>.py Mar 23 19:19:14 noobmonk3y, yeah Mar 23 19:19:17 lols Mar 23 19:19:21 it's not workink Mar 23 19:19:23 LOL ! Mar 23 19:19:28 are you in the folder? Mar 23 19:19:35 must be run with run-standalone.sh Mar 23 19:19:39 ? Mar 23 19:19:44 random Mar 23 19:19:46 mine doesnt Mar 23 19:19:48 i'm in /home/user/PyProject/ Mar 23 19:20:06 "you are alone in a forest, to your south through the trees you can see a cottage" Mar 23 19:20:11 lol lcuk Mar 23 19:20:40 n] - only thing i can think of is python hasnt got permissions to run it or something, maybe try it in mydocs etc, but can't see that being true Mar 23 19:20:53 no Mar 23 19:20:56 thats not the problem Mar 23 19:21:01 * noobmonk3y blames lcuk Mar 23 19:21:08 what happens if you type "cd /home/user/PyProject" Mar 23 19:21:10 * toggles_w thanks the nokia gods for the $50 they just sent me! Mar 23 19:21:13 then "python hello.py" Mar 23 19:21:14 exactly Mar 23 19:21:21 that sounds correct Mar 23 19:21:21 ok, Mar 23 19:21:25 thanks Mar 23 19:21:26 isnt he a clever little lcuk Mar 23 19:21:58 * lcuk grabs a ciggy Mar 23 19:22:01 * SpeedEvil checks his email. Mar 23 19:22:15 * noobmonk3y better go n vote...... Mar 23 19:22:49 * lcuk will vote soon Mar 23 19:22:58 im waiting for the polls to get a bit quieter Mar 23 19:22:59 lol Mar 23 19:23:02 lcuk - when yo uemailed me, the title was - working but still slight issue - what was the issue? Mar 23 19:23:08 i'm root and got a permission denied Mar 23 19:23:26 ahhh dont do it in root Mar 23 19:23:27 n[ use pastebin and give entire block of output Mar 23 19:23:52 oh just seen the pic again, missing half the buttons Mar 23 19:23:55 i run with root Mar 23 19:23:56 wtf that shouldnt happen Mar 23 19:24:00 bigger status area? Mar 23 19:24:21 noobmonk3y: what is missing half the buttons? Mar 23 19:24:25 n]: FAT filesystem have no permissions and they hacked statically in when mounting .. that yields some strange effects sometimes Mar 23 19:25:00 i'm just trying to write a Qt Hello World Mar 23 19:26:27 be user not root .. and MyDocs is mounted noexec too .. not even root can execute stuff there Mar 23 19:26:33 is anybody already running the PR1.2 kernel? Mar 23 19:27:01 if hes running "python BLAH.py" BLAH.py doesnt have to have execute rights Mar 23 19:27:19 you could install a 30gb python app on MyDocs if you wanted and still have it runing Mar 23 19:27:19 where should it be? Mar 23 19:27:35 well for shell script that works .. dunno if python enforces it Mar 23 19:27:38 its not permissions if hes doing as i asked him Mar 23 19:27:41 cehteh - i can run python files in mydocs/appname Mar 23 19:27:43 a 30GB app on a 27GB drive? Mar 23 19:27:45 sounds hard to do :( Mar 23 19:27:46 t-tan: there's a new one? :P Mar 23 19:27:49 ./blah.py with #!/shebang wont work Mar 23 19:27:51 shell scripts with a shebang are self executing Mar 23 19:27:54 so need permission Mar 23 19:28:04 but even in FAT partition, you can run "sh myscript.sh" Mar 23 19:28:17 yes Mar 23 19:28:18 because "sh" is executable via /usr/bin or wherever Mar 23 19:28:21 Stskeeps: yes? http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel/ Mar 23 19:28:51 Arif_, shush you know what i meant Mar 23 19:28:56 :P Mar 23 19:28:59 t-tan: did you figured the changes out the did? Mar 23 19:28:59 t-tan: ah, i'm out of the loop :P Mar 23 19:29:34 http://pastebin.com/DXaf1vFH Mar 23 19:29:38 here is my python code Mar 23 19:29:57 * cehteh would still like some community kernel project refactor and maintain nokias patches and keep them in sync with the vanilla kernel Mar 23 19:29:58 that is in /home/user/PyProject/ Mar 23 19:30:02 but i have no time currently Mar 23 19:30:24 n]: how do you start it? Mar 23 19:30:43 and dont be root .. try as user Mar 23 19:30:46 both python main.py and run-standalone.sh main.py Mar 23 19:30:55 cehteh: I made a diff (1.2M). apparently lots of bugfixes but the changelog is not very detailed Mar 23 19:31:34 but same base kernel version? Mar 23 19:31:35 cehteh: I've added the new Nokia patches to my extras-devel kernel Mar 23 19:31:41 nice Mar 23 19:31:55 well since my last kernel adventure i didnt tried any new one :P Mar 23 19:31:58 how do you unsubscribe from a podcast with gpodder? Mar 23 19:32:03 it's 2.6.28.10 with all Nokia patches Mar 23 19:32:12 cehteh, it's the same as user Mar 23 19:32:22 same as what? Mar 23 19:32:27 as with root Mar 23 19:32:29 same error Mar 23 19:32:33 RST38h: the status bar shows a rainbow-colored signal meter. or not, I can't really tell =) Mar 23 19:32:40 Well with python main.py Mar 23 19:32:40 investigate the error exaclty Mar 23 19:32:48 my app launch then close Mar 23 19:32:52 n] where is the console log Mar 23 19:32:55 ahh Mar 23 19:33:05 wheres the log of oyu running it Mar 23 19:33:18 i don't know sorry Mar 23 19:33:30 don't know what you mean Mar 23 19:33:36 I just voted for three candidates, Mar 23 19:33:47 Nokia-N900:/home/user# python hello.py Mar 23 19:33:47 python: can't open file 'hello.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory Mar 23 19:33:47 Nokia-N900:/home/user# Mar 23 19:33:49 i get that Mar 23 19:33:52 * alterego thinks that's a good approach Mar 23 19:33:53 what do you get Mar 23 19:34:23 nothing Mar 23 19:34:30 no response in terminal? Mar 23 19:34:40 he doesnt get nothing Mar 23 19:34:43 my application is launched but exit 1 second after creating the Qt Window Mar 23 19:34:49 shhhhhhhh its an invisible n900 Mar 23 19:34:50 double negative wha? Mar 23 19:34:52 it's Qt problem side not n900 ? Mar 23 19:35:01 maybe add some debugging Mar 23 19:35:12 on the first line of code add print "1st line" Mar 23 19:35:17 see if that prints in terminal :D Mar 23 19:35:22 http://pastebin.com/DXaf1vFH Mar 23 19:35:25 python code Mar 23 19:35:55 application launched .... exit 1 second after ... Mar 23 19:36:01 * javispedro runs pattern recognition algorithm Mar 23 19:36:04 missing run-standalone.sh Mar 23 19:36:13 Nokia-N900:/home/user/Pyproject# python hello.py Mar 23 19:36:13 Traceback (most recent call last): Mar 23 19:36:13 File "hello.py", line 3, in Mar 23 19:36:13 from PySide import QtGui, QtCore Mar 23 19:36:13 ImportError: No module named PySide Mar 23 19:36:13 Nokia-N900:/home/user/Pyproject# Mar 23 19:36:37 from PySide.QtCore import * Mar 23 19:36:37 from PySide.QtGui import * Mar 23 19:36:39 apt-get install pyside-qt-gui Mar 23 19:36:55 yeah it's a 10 mn try import "*" is shit Mar 23 19:37:06 :P Mar 23 19:37:29 * noobmonk3y goes back to his hole Mar 23 19:37:31 from shit import * Mar 23 19:37:39 n]: Where's your app.run() ? Mar 23 19:37:56 You need to enter the Qt event loop .. Mar 23 19:37:58 i'm new to Qt Mar 23 19:38:01 ahhhh Mar 23 19:38:02 not python Mar 23 19:38:06 noobmonk3y: are you doing a tutorial? Mar 23 19:38:07 * noobmonk3y is new to it too :D Mar 23 19:38:11 noobmonk3y: sorry Mar 23 19:38:12 n]: Mar 23 19:38:36 Shapeshifter = me a tutorial? Mar 23 19:38:47 n]: http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4/ I suggest you do this stuff Mar 23 19:38:52 works the same for pyside. Mar 23 19:38:56 ahhh Mar 23 19:38:57 n]: it's app.exec_() you neewd to call that after you show your widgets Mar 23 19:38:59 noobmonk3y: nah, tabcompletion fail Mar 23 19:39:02 nicely done shape :D Mar 23 19:41:04 alterego, it's working Mar 23 19:41:06 thank you Mar 23 19:41:14 :D Mar 23 19:41:16 n]: No problem :) Always glad to help/.; Mar 23 19:41:17 i will get my hands dirty tomorow thank you Mar 23 19:41:18 yay to alterego Mar 23 19:41:40 Thank you lcuk noobmonk3y alterego and others Mar 23 19:41:41 :) Mar 23 19:41:44 awwww Mar 23 19:41:45 have to goo Mar 23 19:41:51 * noobmonk3y pats lcuk on the head...... Mar 23 19:41:53 Have fun ;) Mar 23 19:41:56 bye n] Mar 23 19:41:58 :D Mar 23 19:43:32 Which reminds me, I should probably port my framework to Qt at somepoint Mar 23 19:43:47 re Mar 23 19:43:47 The Hercules System/370, ESA/390, and z/Architecture Emulator Mar 23 19:43:54 * RST38h speechless Mar 23 19:44:15 RST38h: ? Mar 23 19:46:01 There is finally an IBM mainframe emulator for the cell phone. Mar 23 19:46:09 Oh, hahaha Mar 23 19:46:20 X-Fade: HEre? Mar 23 19:47:18 rst38h...what's it called? Mar 23 19:47:28 * RST38h sighs at dmj Mar 23 19:48:04 dmj726_n9001: The X blah blah emulator? :P Mar 23 19:48:48 oh I thought it might have been serious Mar 23 19:49:46 n900 has taught me not to doubt the existence of random emulators Mar 23 19:49:48 Okay, I'll be the one to spell it out. It's called Hercules dmj726_n9001 :P Mar 23 19:55:28 that's amazing Mar 23 20:01:48 I'm sure we all want to run games from ibm mainframes. Mar 23 20:02:04 * Jaffa is on ropey connection - has anyone updated the council declarations page with a link to EIPI's Q&A? Mar 23 20:03:03 dmj726_n9001: IPL a box which has been up for years. That's a fun mainframe game. Mar 23 20:04:39 Any idea why I get this error while installing Maemo 5 SDK? Mar 23 20:04:40 W: Failed to fetch http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/helena-getdeb/games/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found Mar 23 20:04:40 E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. Mar 23 20:04:51 Because of getdeb only? Mar 23 20:05:14 probably Mar 23 20:05:17 disable the repo Mar 23 20:05:35 Guess I can't, as the Maemo 5 SDK wants to install it? Mar 23 20:05:52 duno about that Mar 23 20:05:53 no, that's your own Mar 23 20:05:53 :P Mar 23 20:08:20 I love when people fail to make the deadlines Mar 23 20:08:39 then it doesn't feel that bad when I fail to make it too :) Mar 23 20:09:20 up to the point that I'm sometimes tempted to answer "Thank god" to "I'm late" Mar 23 20:12:55 * javispedro can't help but read "Something is Eating my Battery Alive: Please Help!!!" as "Something is Eating my Brain Alive" Mar 23 20:13:52 so a zombie process? Mar 23 20:14:23 * RST38h knows an answer to that Mar 23 20:18:47 Anyone know the script that gets caalled when you select which mode the n900 is in when you plug in the usb cable.. Mar 23 20:18:52 ke-rec Mar 23 20:18:53 v Mar 23 20:18:58 ie the script to set up the usb gadget Mar 23 20:27:05 DocScrutinizer51 btw: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-omap@vger.kernel.org/msg25633.html Mar 23 20:27:42 javispedro, better get in there or you wont get elected. :P Mar 23 20:27:56 javispedro, or in the other case, get in there or you will. :P Mar 23 20:28:40 hrw|gone: ^ above url might be interesting too Mar 23 20:29:28 GAN900: Get in where? Mar 23 20:30:11 javispedro, that battery thread. Mar 23 20:30:22 ah Mar 23 20:30:28 thanks, but I love my brain! Mar 23 20:30:40 I feel a bit attached to it at least. Mar 23 20:31:08 HAM is much MUCH faster in PR1.2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjAwC4nM5cE Mar 23 20:31:39 you mean the SDK one? Mar 23 20:31:41 MohammadAG: is that SDK? Mar 23 20:31:53 maybe it is just your cpu Mar 23 20:32:11 no Mar 23 20:32:18 it doesn't ignore stuff like on my N900 Mar 23 20:33:39 ok. We need stuff sorted by date there also. I hate going through all the apps when looking something new Mar 23 20:36:09 * javispedro tries to stop procrastinating, in vain Mar 23 20:36:28 let's go and do some real work. cya Mar 23 20:41:15 petteri, downcloced the CPU to 600MHz Mar 23 20:41:24 the app manager is still very quick Mar 23 20:41:40 :D Mar 23 20:41:43 600MHz on a x86 may not be the same as on the arm Mar 23 20:41:48 Is 1.2 out? Mar 23 20:41:49 MohammadAG, doesn't mean anything Mar 23 20:42:06 and your RAM, cache and disk are much faster. Mar 23 20:42:22 I can see we're not going to have a betam period for PR1.2 Mar 23 20:42:25 Unfortunate Mar 23 20:42:35 I don't remember the PR1.1 app manager this quick Mar 23 20:42:41 GAN900: We will in hte UK. :/ Mar 23 20:42:43 I guess Nokia never really learns. Mar 23 20:42:45 (on the SDK) Mar 23 20:43:05 MohammadAG: also depends on the number of packages available currently Mar 23 20:43:09 I hate how all .desktop files are dumped on the main menu Mar 23 20:43:14 GAN900: I guess the queue got cancelled? Mar 23 20:43:32 valdyn, all repos enabled Mar 23 20:43:44 including SDK ones Mar 23 20:44:25 alterego, no idea. Mar 23 20:44:46 SpeedEvil, does this happen on your N900? apt-worker: Ignoring version from wrong domain: fennec 1.0.0 Mar 23 20:44:54 (lots of apps, not just fennec) Mar 23 20:45:08 GAN900: probably saving them for all the Moblin devs :D Mar 23 20:46:11 GAN900, http://pastebin.com/FvfCStwn Mar 23 20:46:16 that's the N900 Mar 23 20:46:24 alterego, lol Mar 23 20:48:43 hi Mar 23 20:48:49 anyone programs with python for mobile? Mar 23 20:49:08 I did a bit recently Mar 23 20:49:32 there is a good text editor for python on the n900. Mar 23 20:49:54 i dont know how to use the screen like an input text Mar 23 20:49:55 Are you talking about PyGTKEditor? I thought it was awful :P Mar 23 20:50:11 i love it :D Mar 23 20:50:17 like notes or calendar tasks that use all screen for write text Mar 23 20:50:20 MohammadAG: you get anything on HAM - it doesn't output anything on stdout for me Mar 23 20:50:23 its any function? Mar 23 20:50:54 SpeedEvil, -devel enabled? Mar 23 20:51:00 any standard gtk or qt widgets that do what you want? Mar 23 20:51:12 MohammadAG: no Mar 23 20:51:22 MohammadAG: oh - the repo - yes Mar 23 20:51:34 mozilla repo? Mar 23 20:51:39 MohammadAG: however - I start HAM from the apps menu - so where would that stdout be? Mar 23 20:51:48 start it from terminal as user Mar 23 20:51:54 hildon-application-manager Mar 23 20:53:08 yes, lots of them Mar 23 20:53:29 SpeedEvil, they don't show up in PR1.2 Mar 23 20:53:38 which I'm assuming, causes the speed up Mar 23 20:53:48 MohammadAG: is this a beta 1.2 you have? Mar 23 20:53:49 how good is the sliding mechanism on showing the keyboard or not showing? is the build quality how good? Mar 23 20:53:51 Anyone know how to associate a certain file type with the file manager to a particular application? Mar 23 20:54:13 SpeedEvil, SDK Mar 23 20:54:13 PX: Unrecognized image file format Mar 23 20:54:13 PX: Unrecognized image file format Mar 23 20:54:13 only shows these Mar 23 20:54:13 I have a custom shell script Mar 23 20:54:14 no ignored packages Mar 23 20:54:15 DrGrov: very positive and firm action Mar 23 20:54:17 MohammadAG: ah Mar 23 20:54:40 SpeedEvil: so, when I hear the clicking sound of it closing it stays 100% closed without any minor touching to open it by mistake? Mar 23 20:55:10 DrGrov: yes. It requires about 500g of force to begin to open Mar 23 20:55:27 I made a script that takes a iso file as an argument and loads a the usb-mass storage mode on the iso file and shares that specific image to the host computer Mar 23 20:55:27 DrGrov: and about the same to begin to close Mar 23 20:55:38 dotblank: neat. Mar 23 20:55:55 SpeedEvil, I upgraded my N900 to SDK packages, ended up with half baked software :p Mar 23 20:56:03 im trying to integrate it into the file manager Mar 23 20:56:08 (knew it was gonna brick it from the start) Mar 23 20:57:24 SpeedEvil: ok, i am just a bit angry with my old N97 which could accidentally slide open on some occassions. Mar 23 20:57:36 SpeedEvil: but good, now when it clicked itself closed it is closed. Mar 23 20:58:32 Forces approcimate - I could measure - but meh. Mar 23 20:58:47 s/500g/500gf/ Mar 23 20:58:59 (in a sea-level earth environment) Mar 23 20:59:28 wow, considering what i was expecting the gps unassisted is awesome just went out using sygic and i had signal, in 30m accuracy in a small amount of timel. Mar 23 21:00:03 Is that 30m reported accuracy, or real? Mar 23 21:00:15 reported. Mar 23 21:00:28 * SpeedEvil checks. Mar 23 21:00:32 i was walking and it tracked me fairly well Mar 23 21:00:51 but the arrow backwards. Mar 23 21:01:42 If I write a little game in C++ using SDL, would I then be able to use it on the n900? Mar 23 21:01:50 is that the lack of a compass? Mar 23 21:02:13 MarcusM: possibly Mar 23 21:02:16 compile it for am i cant see why not... Mar 23 21:02:19 why not try it ? Mar 23 21:02:21 *arm Mar 23 21:02:22 no compass = satnav will give you a movement direction but not the direction you're facing Mar 23 21:02:51 nidO: isnt that a bit dumb? Mar 23 21:02:57 C-S-B-N900: AM is? Mar 23 21:03:20 personally I can't see why nokia neglected to include a compass in the device, but suffice to say they did Mar 23 21:03:26 MohammadAG: remember that if you long press on launcher menu, you can reorder the items. Mar 23 21:03:31 MarcusM: ^ Mar 23 21:03:34 and, btw: nice video. Mar 23 21:03:54 konttori, mentioned that in the thread :) Mar 23 21:04:14 konttori, but seriously, I have about 10+ rows of icons Mar 23 21:04:16 ah, I somehow missed it. sorry Mar 23 21:04:20 10 x 5 =50 Mar 23 21:04:30 50 + Mar 23 21:04:33 MohammadAG: nice. well, you can still install the categorize Mar 23 21:04:37 and having them in the main menu would slow it down Mar 23 21:04:42 I hate it! Mar 23 21:04:49 nidO: It's $20 or so. Mar 23 21:04:53 actually, I can't open phone and contacts quickly with it Mar 23 21:05:02 C-S-B: Looking at some tracklogs. Mar 23 21:05:05 how come? Mar 23 21:05:08 and it slows down installs when populating itself Mar 23 21:05:15 I hate having the shop icon in mainmenu. :| Grr... when I have time I will find a way to remove it Mar 23 21:05:41 C-S-B: I seem to get an accuracy of +-9m or so - while driving with the GPS in my right front trouser pocket (with the antenna mostly upwards) Mar 23 21:05:54 to each his own, personally, I like it much more than the old one. Mar 23 21:06:29 sure, there are ways to make it even better, but I think it works now really well for my use flows on the device after I've reordered the items to my liking Mar 23 21:06:43 I don't need to scroll it almost ever. Mar 23 21:07:33 nidO: however - integrated compasses are in the process of crashing in price. Mar 23 21:07:38 nidO: So the n920... Mar 23 21:07:47 TC EVO 4G which was known as the Supersonic all this time finally went official moments ago The EVO 4G is the World’s first 4G Android smartphone. Its got a 4.3 inch display with a kick stand and is powered by a 1GHz snapdragon processor with 512 MB of RAM It runs on Android 2.1 with HTC Sense UI .... Mar 23 21:08:01 Nexus one outdated Mar 23 21:08:01 HTC* Mar 23 21:08:08 now Mar 23 21:08:22 is LTE going to use SIM cards? Mar 23 21:09:28 anyone knows how to put a form to fullscreen field? with python Mar 23 21:10:39 SpeedEvil: hold on, $20? even an akm digital compass from like 2005 only cost like $6 in volume Mar 23 21:11:31 nidO: Sorry - $10 or so. - not much less. Mar 23 21:11:48 http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Cat=1967220&k=HMC5843 - for example Mar 23 21:12:17 This is for ones simple to interface, that won't complicate the phone Mar 23 21:12:57 HTC EVO 4G sounds more like faux-4G to me Mar 23 21:13:23 SpeedEvil: the gps aerial is left of the screen? Mar 23 21:13:24 I bet this one would sell for <10$ for nokia. their name and the volume would greatly reduce the price Mar 23 21:13:35 Can someone recommend me a game to install for the N900? Mar 23 21:13:42 angrybirds Mar 23 21:13:43 finished with angry birds Mar 23 21:13:48 oh :( Mar 23 21:13:48 so does the lack of compass break navigation? Mar 23 21:13:50 V13: yes - probably $6 or so in volume Mar 23 21:13:57 wouldnt know about ease of interfacing, but the AK8970N in iphones goes for $5.24 in batches of 25k+ apparently Mar 23 21:13:58 considering when it's just CDMA brick slammed with wimax capabilities Mar 23 21:13:58 dregin: all 3 levels *** ? Mar 23 21:14:04 that burger game is nice, burger space? Mar 23 21:14:17 SpeedEvil: only have level 1 and no CC for buying the others Mar 23 21:14:20 petteri: enigma Mar 23 21:14:32 I like *gwelled and xploder (from ovi) Mar 23 21:14:55 there're a few gweled variants in the repos Mar 23 21:14:59 the other angry birds level packs arent even available to buy anyway :< Mar 23 21:15:02 installed one and it was rubbish Mar 23 21:15:06 but, blubbels is a decent game Mar 23 21:15:17 also tuxrace went into -testing today Mar 23 21:15:22 last night* Mar 23 21:15:22 dregin: I've both of them and they both work fine Mar 23 21:15:37 Also, I personally like *Very* much the sgt-puzzles Mar 23 21:16:02 especially loopy Mar 23 21:16:06 I didn't say it didn't work :) Mar 23 21:16:18 V13, I used to like loopy, nowadays I waste more time with netgame Mar 23 21:16:29 dregin: try to beat your own angrybirds records :P Mar 23 21:16:41 burgerspace: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/burgerspace and Sensitive Motion: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/sense Mar 23 21:16:52 cehteh: yes. it's good too.. Mar 23 21:16:56 sensitive motion's good fun, shame it takes like 10 mins to complete Mar 23 21:17:16 hexahop is fun too Mar 23 21:17:39 if you want some longer lasting game, install nethack :P Mar 23 21:18:20 or play chess :P Mar 23 21:18:41 'blocks' is worth a look too Mar 23 21:18:46 the inbuilt one Mar 23 21:18:52 It's surprisingly addictive. Mar 23 21:18:58 (though mandates a screen protector) Mar 23 21:19:23 (8450) Mar 23 21:19:36 And the lack of highscore is annoying) Mar 23 21:19:43 really need the gltron dependencies fixed to give that a shot :< Mar 23 21:21:21 does the lack of compass break navigation? Mar 23 21:21:27 no Mar 23 21:22:04 but it doesnt know which way you are facing no? Mar 23 21:24:24 C-S-B: only when stationary, otherwise it gets direction from movement Mar 23 21:24:52 its somewhat nasty, i liked a compass quite much, but well its still useable Mar 23 21:26:07 nn everyone Mar 23 21:26:23 C-S-B: assuming you are moving hte way you are facing works fine. Often. Mar 23 21:26:43 C-S-B: It's always true in a car forex - unless you're drifting. Mar 23 21:27:04 drifting like japan drifting? Mar 23 21:27:05 And while drifting - you should generally not be looking at a navigation device. Mar 23 21:27:15 when you hold the device in direction of travel .. but well that could be compensated too Mar 23 21:27:23 it might be a particularly complex drift circuit... Mar 23 21:27:47 SpeedEvil: otherwise around .. when looking at the device there are chances you become drifting :P Mar 23 21:28:23 lol Mar 23 21:28:28 mhm 2 n900 at opposite ends of the car with differential gyros could detect drifting :P Mar 23 21:28:39 well no gyros either Mar 23 21:28:54 accelerometer might do .. but its not precise enouhg Mar 23 21:28:58 * Arif_ sneezes Mar 23 21:29:28 actually you need both accelerometer and gyro maybe .. blah Mar 23 21:29:38 any benefit to using an external gps then? Mar 23 21:29:57 no Mar 23 21:30:00 internal seems pretty good Mar 23 21:30:18 well if you are inside some vehicle which doesnt let gps in ... Mar 23 21:30:32 driving in your tank around or so :) Mar 23 21:30:36 cehteh: you only need one gyro. Mar 23 21:30:44 cehteh: unless the vehicle is internally twisting Mar 23 21:31:06 but i doubt you get good bluetooth connection then too Mar 23 21:31:34 the internal is no much fun when you dont get a fix and you dont have network assisted gps Mar 23 21:31:45 but still it works with some patience Mar 23 21:32:07 when you lost in some jungle, you prolly have the patience to wait for a fix Mar 23 21:32:50 (or dont want to pay data roaming in foreign countries) Mar 23 21:36:23 why do so few people see the advantage of taking notes with a stylus using a resistive screen? Mar 23 21:38:46 yigal, :) some do but theres lots of arguments against Mar 23 21:38:48 i dont Mar 23 21:39:05 I dont take notes Mar 23 21:39:12 taking notes is so 20th century. but jokes aside, the problem are screen size and that it is too finger friendly Mar 23 21:39:23 i have seen any pros for capacitive with n900 Mar 23 21:39:38 but small links with finger is bastard Mar 23 21:40:13 there is no good notetaking app yet, a decent xournal (newer version) might do Mar 23 21:40:52 i used my newton for notetaking long ago, and small screnn isnt really fun, while i want at least its features for drawning and stuff Mar 23 21:41:04 how about handwriting recognition. i remember winmo failing epically with that. Mar 23 21:41:20 shape recognition minimum for drawings, handwriting recognition would be nice too Mar 23 21:41:30 is there a default password on "user" on the N900? Mar 23 21:41:34 yeah no one did ever well Mar 23 21:41:39 nope Mar 23 21:41:50 newton was the best and even that wasnt really good Mar 23 21:41:52 i think you need to set it. Mar 23 21:42:08 talking of which has anyone set user pw? Mar 23 21:42:16 but shape recognition for drawings, easy manipulating and grouping is a must Mar 23 21:42:16 hmmm Mar 23 21:42:37 dregin: no passwords until you install sshd Mar 23 21:42:53 and then i'd remcommend to set up key auth instantly and remove passwords again Mar 23 21:44:27 hah that's why I was about to set a password.... wanted to ssh into the user account to set keys Mar 23 21:44:29 i have key auth. havent gone as far as removing passwords though, im worried that ill be on a pc and wont be able to login Mar 23 21:44:58 unless you guys save you .pub to email/server... Mar 23 21:47:23 i carry a nexus one around now since the n900 is awesome but not really a fun Mar 23 21:47:26 fone* Mar 23 21:48:51 you came in here to say that? Mar 23 21:50:02 hi, anyone knows how does kismet.conf have to look like? (The source=type,interface,name line) Mar 23 21:50:10 anyone knows how to hide a form after saving? python Mar 23 21:53:46 "type" is what i don't know Mar 23 21:54:55 joker_891: Qt or Gtk? Mar 23 21:56:49 s60.. Mar 23 21:59:18 brody Mar 23 21:59:18 interface will be wlan0 Mar 23 21:59:56 C-S-B-N900 good :) Mar 23 22:00:07 and type? Mar 23 22:00:44 joker_891: wrong channel Mar 23 22:00:45 err... thats the chipset....i think. Mar 23 22:00:54 try lspci. Mar 23 22:01:11 i see Mar 23 22:01:18 when i run airmon-ng it says chipset: "unknown" Mar 23 22:01:48 there is nio lspci. ignore me. Mar 23 22:02:10 modified cellwriter on the n900? Mar 23 22:02:29 http://risujin.org/cellwriter/ Mar 23 22:02:50 wl12xx is the chipset. Mar 23 22:02:59 similar to n8x0 functionality but it actually works nicely Mar 23 22:03:08 yeah, but wl12xx doesn't work... Mar 23 22:03:49 why is there lsusb but not lspci? Mar 23 22:04:22 that is funny Mar 23 22:04:27 where can i list the hw? Mar 23 22:04:48 C-S-B-N900: because there is no PCI/PCIe bus in the N900 Mar 23 22:04:51 C-S-B-N900: there's a simple aznswer to that, there is no pci interface Mar 23 22:05:30 People need to stop taking the "mobile computer" label too literally ^.^ or, expand their perception of computing .. Mar 23 22:05:32 has anyone figured out how to make an alarm to go off 2 hours before event? Mar 23 22:05:41 (n900's default calendar) Mar 23 22:06:24 alterego: i am retarded. Ill think next time... Mar 23 22:06:43 C-S-B-N900: :) Mar 23 22:07:27 there is a utility called lshw,but it is not present on the N900 Mar 23 22:07:40 yeah i tried that. Mar 23 22:08:05 most of the N900's hardware isn't attached over any real BUS, so much as via direct connections to the CPU Mar 23 22:09:33 or to the handful of (I'm guessing) nokia-proprietary chips (gaia, some other.) Mar 23 22:10:34 dregin: ive been in here Mar 23 22:12:45 cehteh, :) hand drawn strokes are important to me Mar 23 22:23:13 hmm anyone else finding the N900 to be a mixed bag? Mar 23 22:23:41 ds3: everyone Mar 23 22:24:05 ds3 I'm very happy with it. Mar 23 22:24:31 mixed bag of awesome Mar 23 22:24:48 Mixed bag of awesome and more awesome :) Mar 23 22:25:06 ds3: I have very few issues with it. Mar 23 22:26:36 SpeedEvil: so you are not seeing regressions relative to the N800? Mar 23 22:27:01 most deficiencies are niggling issues with nokia's binaries Mar 23 22:27:02 claws is not very usable on the 900 :( Mar 23 22:27:20 garnet vm is broq on the 900 Mar 23 22:27:21 ds3: mail me a n800 to try Mar 23 22:27:37 SpeedEvil: oh... you weren't an upgrader? Mar 23 22:27:50 No. Mar 23 22:27:55 Well - yes. Mar 23 22:27:57 From a 3310 Mar 23 22:28:19 for the few apps that it came with, the N900 is great...love the screen but the way it interacts with older apps is irritating/unusable Mar 23 22:28:59 What do you mean? Mar 23 22:29:20 The fact that the window manager isn't really functional if the app is fullscreen, and there isn't a way back Mar 23 22:29:28 take claws for example... if you ask it for a network log, it gives you a solid window with almost no way to get out Mar 23 22:29:32 exactly Mar 23 22:29:53 my hack righ tnow is to open the camera door, and use the camera app as a way to get back and switch around Mar 23 22:30:05 ctrl bksp? Mar 23 22:30:12 ds3: camkeyd Mar 23 22:30:23 SPeedEvil: is that a software package or? Mar 23 22:30:24 ds3: a half-press on the cam button takes up to the ass-switcher Mar 23 22:30:27 yes Mar 23 22:30:28 control - backspace Mar 23 22:30:29 SpeedEvil: CTRL+BACKSPACE Mar 23 22:30:30 ctrl+backspace is easy Mar 23 22:30:32 Ohh Mar 23 22:30:33 app-switcher Mar 23 22:30:39 dmj726_n900: that means popping out the keyboard Mar 23 22:30:43 or ctrl-backspace if you have hte keyboard open. Mar 23 22:30:46 brings you to the dashboard Mar 23 22:31:04 I prefer to not have a keyboard (remember, I said N800...not N810) Mar 23 22:31:12 la? Mar 23 22:31:23 ah Mar 23 22:31:28 let me find camkey in the app manager Mar 23 22:31:29 err - yes - I meant dashboard Mar 23 22:31:32 not app switcher Mar 23 22:31:34 I like my keyboard. Mar 23 22:31:51 I found that the camkey daemon was a pain in the ass. Mar 23 22:32:16 alterego: why? Mar 23 22:32:17 It went all crapo when using the camera. Mar 23 22:32:32 works for me. Mar 23 22:32:35 No issues at all Mar 23 22:32:47 I don't like holding it with the keyboard open Mar 23 22:32:48 Well - unless you press the button too hard - but I nevber found that an issue Mar 23 22:32:54 Might be because I didn't realise it was a half press, so it openned the camera app actually ;) Mar 23 22:33:01 the charger cable gets in the way Mar 23 22:33:22 Might download it again and use it with my new found knowledge ;) Mar 23 22:33:38 Who would be interested in a right-angle USB - with the USB protruding maybe 5mm? Mar 23 22:33:43 For $15 Mar 23 22:33:53 195AB6E4BA Mar 23 22:33:56 USB host? Mar 23 22:33:59 javispedro: no Mar 23 22:34:06 nevermind Mar 23 22:34:10 javispedro: just a regular USB cable. Mar 23 22:34:23 SpeedEvil: sounds good. Mar 23 22:34:26 javispedro: but that doesn't get in the way when using while charging Mar 23 22:34:33 SpeedEvil: rt angle which way? Mar 23 22:34:58 ds3: I was thinking towards the lanyard hole. Mar 23 22:35:18 oh along the long direction Mar 23 22:35:33 Yeah, down whilst holding it in portrait face towards you would be good.l Mar 23 22:35:40 SpeedEvil: what about a J peice that folds on to the back? Mar 23 22:35:51 instead of just a single rt angle, it'd flex Mar 23 22:35:53 ds3: hmm Mar 23 22:35:57 ds3: would be annoying. Mar 23 22:36:08 ds3: interesting idea - I need to do some more working out of possibilities. Mar 23 22:36:11 alterego: I have the full size USB version and it is quite useful Mar 23 22:36:17 If the cable flowed down the side it wouldn't get in the way and it'd feel pretty sturdy I reckon. Mar 23 22:36:19 SpeedEvil: have you seen the full size USB one? Mar 23 22:36:48 ds3: ? Mar 23 22:36:56 oh the battery life is also another irritating factor :? Mar 23 22:37:25 SpeedEvil: let me find a picture Mar 23 22:37:27 Recently I've not found the battery life that bad, I think it's because I've gotten over the itch to be constantly playing with it all day. Mar 23 22:37:53 i have not. Mar 23 22:38:21 I am not playing with it all day Mar 23 22:38:22 im on my 3rd unit and so happy its all working! Mar 23 22:38:42 ds3 you must have a gf. Mar 23 22:38:49 C-S-B: :) Mar 23 22:38:54 C-S-B-N900: :P Mar 23 22:39:05 SpeedEvil: http://www.amazon.com/Cables-Go-FlexUSB-Female-Adapter/dp/B0001LS3EI Mar 23 22:39:10 like that but for MicroUSB Mar 23 22:40:26 ds3: way too complex mechanically. I think I can do right-angle. Mar 23 22:40:27 why would you wan tthat crap? Mar 23 22:40:41 I would like to have 1.5-2 full days of power with the unit sitting in my pocket Mar 23 22:40:49 right now, I barely get 12-14 hours Mar 23 22:40:58 Does anyone else find all the D-THEME entries annoying? Mar 23 22:41:03 SpeedEvil: but those things are handy Mar 23 22:41:06 alterego: yes Mar 23 22:41:21 I think themes shouldn't be allowed in the _application_ manager Mar 23 22:41:31 they should have their own category Mar 23 22:41:36 btw. i have problem upgrading Mar 23 22:41:38 ds3: indeed. I can't make and sell itm and make it reliable however. Mar 23 22:41:47 i get space error Mar 23 22:41:51 SpeedEvil: oh you are making htem...thought you found a source to import Mar 23 22:42:03 I don't think they should be in there at all, there should be a theme downloader. Themes shouldn't adhere to the same rules as software. Mar 23 22:42:03 ds3: pondering Mar 23 22:42:11 there badly needs to be a theme category, at the moment theyre spread all over the place Mar 23 22:42:29 you rich people and your n900s Mar 23 22:42:35 SpeedEvil: in that case, can you make it flimsy enough so it breaks instead of the jack? Mar 23 22:42:38 rich nothing Mar 23 22:42:45 I think I'd be less bothered if all the theme entires had decent previews :) Mar 23 22:42:49 alterego that'd be very complex to implement though. just adding a new category for themes would be infinitely easier and more realistic Mar 23 22:43:02 sevard: I've currently got teh heating off - it's however a balmy 10.5C in here. Mar 23 22:43:09 nidO: infinnitely complex to who? Mar 23 22:43:10 sevard: It's been 5 a month ago. Mar 23 22:43:19 alterego: if I install anything on my system, I want the package manager to do it Mar 23 22:43:24 that's what it is there for Mar 23 22:43:26 It'd be piss easy to write a theme installer .. Mar 23 22:43:26 dude Mar 23 22:43:31 so write one Mar 23 22:43:31 10.5 c is like 50 F Mar 23 22:43:34 my house is 40F always Mar 23 22:43:35 and submit it Mar 23 22:43:46 that's 4.44 c Mar 23 22:43:48 always. Mar 23 22:43:55 i don't know why you'd want it any hotter. Mar 23 22:44:07 we arent all polar bears? Mar 23 22:44:24 Personally, I'd like ~18. Mar 23 22:44:37 you're killing me Mar 23 22:44:38 i keep it at around 20C during day when i'm at home Mar 23 22:44:44 and little bit lower at night Mar 23 22:44:46 20 c! Mar 23 22:44:50 sevard: I call BS Mar 23 22:44:54 no wonder we have an energy crysis. Mar 23 22:44:54 can maemo mapper search for street addresses or just gps locations - n800 question Mar 23 22:45:03 sevard: i have gas heating Mar 23 22:45:05 my apartment's about 20c during the day Mar 23 22:45:10 i moved in last july Mar 23 22:45:17 in total my heating has run precisely never Mar 23 22:45:19 sevard: nobody can live in 4C day-in day-out Mar 23 22:45:23 speaking of maps, is there a way to get the map app to save the settings? Mar 23 22:45:25 thats energy conservation. Mar 23 22:45:31 crashanddie: wtf. come over here and look at my thermostat. Mar 23 22:45:34 sevard: even prisons are at 19C minimum Mar 23 22:45:40 hahaha. Mar 23 22:45:44 crashanddie: to warm for them Mar 23 22:45:55 prisoners also get three squares Mar 23 22:45:58 sevard thermostats dont even go down to 4c so what good would looking at it do? Mar 23 22:46:01 how many complete meals did you have today? Mar 23 22:46:03 crashanddie: criminals don't deserve that Mar 23 22:46:10 1,5 Mar 23 22:46:16 sevard: my flat is at 32 at the moment :) Mar 23 22:46:30 crashanddie: K? Mar 23 22:46:30 jacekowski: prisons are not for torturing... Mar 23 22:46:31 32c or f Mar 23 22:46:34 jacekowski: sure they do, they're humans. They have done stupid or misinformed stuff, doesn't mean we are entitled to make them suffer needlessly Mar 23 22:46:44 sevard: 32C :) Mar 23 22:46:47 see Mar 23 22:46:51 that's the problem here Mar 23 22:46:54 19deg is suffering to some people Mar 23 22:46:54 you think you live in the tropics. Mar 23 22:47:04 same as 32 is to others Mar 23 22:47:06 sevard: I live in the tropics you numbnuts Mar 23 22:47:16 some folks are happy sitting in living room being able to see their breath Mar 23 22:47:17 OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Mar 23 22:47:18 crashanddie: no Mar 23 22:47:19 sevard: there's no heating on, if anything, it's airconditioning that I'm abusing Mar 23 22:47:35 crashanddie: vision of going to prison should be scary Mar 23 22:47:36 my 40f is just fine. Mar 23 22:47:45 crashanddie: not a warm place with tv and xbox Mar 23 22:47:46 jacekowski: and it is Mar 23 22:47:57 well, not british prison Mar 23 22:48:01 they even get xboxes there Mar 23 22:48:17 jacekowski: it is... Mar 23 22:48:22 btw. i'm trying to upgrade maemo Mar 23 22:48:24 jacekowski: it's not like that at all. All your privacy is stripped away, your power of choice, you don't have many liberties in prison, any anyone who thinks prisoners have liberties needs to buy a brain Mar 23 22:48:33 and i get error Mar 23 22:48:37 jacekowski: prison is supposed to make people become better. not make them want revenge. Mar 23 22:48:38 internal room temp range for nice 1 bedroom appartment: -7 to 16deg : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igloo Mar 23 22:48:42 not enough memory in target location Mar 23 22:49:11 jacekowski: A very good friend of mine is a forensic psychologist, he works with inmates that have received life sentences mainly, trust me, they're not living in a spa Mar 23 22:49:13 crashanddie: just like army :) Mar 23 22:49:14 V13: but they can do fuck all day long and we have to pay for it Mar 23 22:49:28 jacekowski: you don't know about this thing eh? Mar 23 22:49:32 V13: except that the army you choose to enter it, and you have potential to leave it Mar 23 22:49:44 jacekowski: what's the rationale behind laws and prisons Mar 23 22:49:50 crashanddie: just joking:) Mar 23 22:49:55 V13: sure :) Mar 23 22:49:55 V13: i've been in prison couple times ( not as an inmate though ) Mar 23 22:50:00 crashanddie: and no... here it is mandatory. Mar 23 22:50:03 V13: and i've seen how does it look there Mar 23 22:50:24 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4458618864/ - current temp Mar 23 22:50:27 V13: they even have aircon in there in case it gets to warm in summer Mar 23 22:50:27 jacekowski: and you honestly believe that a couple of hours gives you insight on their condition for multiple years at a time? Mar 23 22:50:36 jacekowski: well.. many prion guards are also there but they don't understand why things are as-is Mar 23 22:50:37 each country has different standards of prisons and different regimes and methodoligies Mar 23 22:50:45 Including fish Mar 23 22:50:52 so some places you will be smashing rocks Mar 23 22:50:54 but anyways it's maemo channel Mar 23 22:50:56 others you will be playing ps Mar 23 22:50:59 and i have mamo problem Mar 23 22:51:11 when i'm trying to upgrade i get not enough memory in target location Mar 23 22:51:15 This could be on-topic if you have reiserfs. Mar 23 22:51:22 nax Mar 23 22:51:25 nah Mar 23 22:51:25 jacekowski: too many inmates in your prison? Mar 23 22:51:28 ext3 Mar 23 22:51:39 ... Mar 23 22:51:45 jacekowski, free some space, remove additional repositories etc Mar 23 22:51:51 theres a guide online about updating and space Mar 23 22:51:56 where Mar 23 22:51:58 jacekowski: prisons and the whole law system is supposed to be "correctional"... not "punishment"... Mar 23 22:52:00 i mean how much i need Mar 23 22:52:10 V13: correctional function doesn't work Mar 23 22:52:11 well what are you updating specifically Mar 23 22:52:12 ~V13++ Mar 23 22:52:18 V13: most people return there anyways Mar 23 22:52:19 those were general hints Mar 23 22:52:20 jacekowski: or else you turn to throwing stones, cutting body parts and killing people Mar 23 22:52:26 tmo: "opensource application that may allow us to run windows applications on the n900" the real thing: a qt gui over qemu. Mar 23 22:52:34 lcuk: Maemo 5 Mar 23 22:52:36 jacekowski: I'd like to see the stats behind your claims Mar 23 22:52:52 has anyone tried the extended battery that makes the 900 thicker? Mar 23 22:52:57 jacekowski: I don't think anyone here said that the penal system works, but claiming that people have a good life in there is just stupid. Mar 23 22:53:00 jacekowski, that tells me much, from what to what Mar 23 22:53:20 1.0 1.1 1.1.1 Mar 23 22:53:27 lcuk: V13 http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136&languageId=1&contentId=14835 Mar 23 22:53:28 ds3 make it thicker are you insane? Mar 23 22:53:47 * SpeedEvil points his insanometer at ds3. Mar 23 22:53:56 * SpeedEvil leaps away from the smoking wreck. Mar 23 22:53:58 lcuk: i'm upgrading using 19.6 MB update to verision 3.2010.02-8.203.1 Mar 23 22:54:11 V13: About 47 percent of prisoners released in 1994 were convicted of a new crime, and 52 percent returned to prison or jail. Mar 23 22:54:18 http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/nokia/nokia-n900/mugen-power-nokia-n900-2400mah-extended-replacement-battery-with-battery-door.html Mar 23 22:54:21 That one Mar 23 22:54:26 makes it almost 1 full inch Mar 23 22:54:41 jacekowski: comparing UK prisons with US stats is ridiculous Mar 23 22:54:47 Over 80 percent of those under age 18 were re-arrested, compared to 45.3 percent of those 45 or older. Mar 23 22:54:54 jacekowski, go look in the maemo wiki for ssu Mar 23 22:54:55 crashanddie: Men were more likely to be re-arrested (68 percent) than women (57 percent). Blacks (73 percent) were more likely to be rearrested than whites (63 percent). Mar 23 22:55:03 lcuk: ssu? Mar 23 22:55:05 jacekowski: US stats Mar 23 22:55:06 jacekowski: in which country and where is the poll? Mar 23 22:55:14 and i think theres a link there taking you to upgrade considerations and ways of making space Mar 23 22:55:19 V13: US gov stats Mar 23 22:55:25 ssu == seamless software update - what you are attempting to do Mar 23 22:55:35 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/7473124/Half-of-prisoners-return-to-crime-on-release.html Mar 23 22:55:51 since you are mostly offtopic tho im sleeping again :) Mar 23 22:55:52 gnite Mar 23 22:55:58 Some 49 per cent of inmates commit new offences within 12 months of their release from jail - up from 47 per cent the previous year. It is the second year in a row that reoffending have risen. Mar 23 22:56:00 UK govt statistics show around 40-45% of criminals re-offend Mar 23 22:56:00 jacekowski: On topic post of the day? Mar 23 22:56:02 in UK prisons Mar 23 22:57:04 clearly, someone here is planning to send all t.m.o members to jail Mar 23 22:57:05 hmmm Mar 23 22:57:17 without passing go, and without collecting $200, of course. Mar 23 22:57:26 javispedro: why? Mar 23 22:57:42 lcuk: there is no details on wiki page Mar 23 22:57:42 Well, we already get quarantined. Mar 23 22:58:02 tybollt: the previous discussion' topic :) Mar 23 22:58:55 http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space Mar 23 22:59:00 so Mar 23 22:59:14 there no small big batt avail yet? Mar 23 22:59:31 small form factor big power Mar 23 23:03:05 they should have kinetic charging. with a flash enabled browser, porn works great. Mar 23 23:03:15 so that extended life battery is just too big for folks here? Mar 23 23:03:34 personally i see no point in it Mar 23 23:03:40 O_o Mar 23 23:03:51 yes. the device is big enough,lets not make iphoners more smug. Mar 23 23:03:52 nid0: it can double the battery life if the numbers hold Mar 23 23:04:09 I would love to have a battery with life-time of 3 days even if it would double the size of my phone Mar 23 23:04:17 the iphone is a completely useless peice of crap so there is no point in comparing it Mar 23 23:04:18 its last a day, i can charge as i sleep. Mar 23 23:04:24 an external emergency battery can hold 2000mah - 6000mah Mar 23 23:04:27 hoxzer: mine lasts 3 days Mar 23 23:04:30 and doesnt increase the device size Mar 23 23:04:33 C-S-B-N900: some of us want to use it while traveling Mar 23 23:04:57 jacekowski: good for you. apparently my usage is more power consuming Mar 23 23:05:06 and you cant take the charger Mar 23 23:05:06 hoxzer: i'm using it a lot Mar 23 23:05:11 jacekowski: riight. Mar 23 23:05:21 hoxzer: but i pretty much i've got nothing in background Mar 23 23:05:35 jacekowski: Dude, It wont last for 3 days if you're using it in 3G+ listening to music and surfing Mar 23 23:05:42 I always wonder what people are doing with their "mobile" devices claiming they get 3 days out of it. Mar 23 23:05:56 hoxzer: I am not even surfing or playing music (just email) and I barely get a 1 Mar 23 23:06:03 ds3: skype? Mar 23 23:06:09 jacekowski: nope Mar 23 23:06:14 no voice, just pure data Mar 23 23:06:14 disabling skype almost doubled my batterly life Mar 23 23:06:19 battery* Mar 23 23:06:24 Mine makes it well through 1 day with maybe 10 minutes of 3g, only 2g, no phoning at all, 1sms, a little bit of wlan, and IM online most of the time. Mar 23 23:06:25 Oke, not gonna do that Mar 23 23:06:36 i think i get about 18-20 hours doing not much on mine....... but then not much has emails being pushed etc...... Mar 23 23:06:44 jacekowski: you mean, skype chat eats battery? Mar 23 23:06:45 jacekowski: not much of a surprise, honestly Mar 23 23:06:49 Skype is the future of cell phones. I will teach my parents to use it and they will eb able to reach me from almost everywhere :) Mar 23 23:06:55 Shapeshifter: connected skype Mar 23 23:06:58 skype does bad things to your network Mar 23 23:07:01 Hoxzer: no. don't teach anyone how to use skype Mar 23 23:07:11 if I do voip, I'd just do sip Mar 23 23:07:18 Hoxzer: tell everyone that skype is the devil and if you use it you'll burn in hell. Mar 23 23:07:19 ds3: jingle over jabber Mar 23 23:07:27 show me who created and protocols skype connections Mar 23 23:07:28 xmpp++ Mar 23 23:07:31 show me who created and protocols skype connections Mar 23 23:08:42 Shapeshifter: i had phone playing music today for 15h and sending using fmtx and i still have 1/3 of battery left Mar 23 23:08:49 Shapeshifter: and jabber online Mar 23 23:09:01 jacekowski: how old is your unit? Mar 23 23:09:06 month Mar 23 23:09:22 Hmmm I wonder if the battery improves a lot with age then Mar 23 23:09:31 www.ossir.org/windows/supports/2005/2005-11-07/EADS-CCR_Fabrice_Skype.pdf good read on the crap skype protocol Mar 23 23:09:43 ds3: It will imporove a bit over the first dozen cycles. Mar 23 23:09:49 treat it well for couple weeks Mar 23 23:09:55 and it will last longer Mar 23 23:09:57 jacekowski: I'll try not using skype tomorrow Mar 23 23:10:04 SpeedEvil: how much is a bit... 50% longer? Mar 23 23:10:23 ds3: depends Mar 23 23:10:36 why does power management drop connectios... Mar 23 23:10:37 ds3: worst case scenario and best it could be 50% Mar 23 23:10:56 C-S-B: some APs don't support PM well Mar 23 23:11:02 ds3: 10% Mar 23 23:11:11 Hmmm okay Mar 23 23:11:15 speed i see this! Mar 23 23:11:16 based on other bats Mar 23 23:11:53 C-S-B: I get >24h battery life ssh'd into the device, and able to get OK interactive performance (~.5s) Mar 23 23:12:18 I wonder if the CPU load monitor is preventing sleeps Mar 23 23:12:30 ds3: powertop Mar 23 23:12:41 is powertop in the repo? Mar 23 23:12:41 SpeedEvil: with pm off? Mar 23 23:12:45 pyqt dudez, can you knock up a simple example of opening a couple of windows on n900 ? Mar 23 23:12:52 C-S-B: no - with it on full Mar 23 23:13:06 how come when i ask that i get punched lol Mar 23 23:13:14 :P Mar 23 23:13:32 theres still time for me lol Mar 23 23:13:37 wohoooooo Mar 23 23:13:44 ~hug lcuk Mar 23 23:13:45 * infobot jumps into lcuk's lap and huggles and *hugs* lcuk Mar 23 23:13:51 close enough Mar 23 23:14:06 * lcuk hopes infobot is a fem Mar 23 23:14:20 lcuk, info can be whatever you want it/him/she/her to be Mar 23 23:14:31 o_O Mar 23 23:14:41 shklim Mar 23 23:14:41 SpeedEvil: me and my father bought n900 about same time Mar 23 23:14:52 wow, that's $1200 Mar 23 23:15:15 SpeedEvil: and when we went skiing to france and we had only one charger Mar 23 23:15:30 SpeedEvil: mine was charged after we finished skiing Mar 23 23:15:36 SpeedEvil: and my fathers one over night Mar 23 23:15:53 * SpeedEvil charges his lazuh. Mar 23 23:15:55 SpeedEvil: and after we finished skiing mine had still over 3/4 left Mar 23 23:16:15 It will mostly charge in 2 hours Mar 23 23:16:29 and my father's one ( it finished charging later ) only had 2/3 Mar 23 23:16:32 jacekowski: your dad was looking at porn over the 3g. Mar 23 23:16:36 Or maybe less Mar 23 23:16:36 Frm USB Mar 23 23:16:36 err Mar 23 23:16:36 from the wallcharger Mar 23 23:16:37 the rapid charge is nice Mar 23 23:16:52 that's what she said Mar 23 23:16:57 but the insistance at popping up a USB device selection option is annoying Mar 23 23:17:09 so i would say there is a huge difference between batteries Mar 23 23:17:44 with Maemo-mapper running, the USB charger doesn't seem to be able to keep up (network usage + gps) Mar 23 23:17:48 I'd guess other factors like bluetooth. Mar 23 23:17:58 V13: no Mar 23 23:17:59 V13: same Mar 23 23:18:11 where is the pm option for wlan0 Mar 23 23:18:12 jacekowski: try swapping bats Mar 23 23:19:36 jacekowski: I've my own n900 which sometimes discharges much much faster. Mar 23 23:20:01 sometimes bluetooth stucks for me Mar 23 23:20:07 mhm Mar 23 23:20:13 how much space on / i need to upgrade Mar 23 23:21:38 i have a product idea Mar 23 23:21:53 usb cable with no metal lead Mar 23 23:22:07 gn Mar 23 23:22:10 avoid ripping out connectors Mar 23 23:22:12 gn Mar 23 23:22:49 pupnik_: no metal lead? Mar 23 23:22:57 pupnik_: it's kinda required. Mar 23 23:23:17 pupnik_: Otherwise you have what is known as a socket cap. Mar 23 23:24:55 SpeedEvil: i see it. i can draw it. i can design it Mar 23 23:25:49 pupnik_: however - you fail in describing it. Mar 23 23:26:00 pupnik_: What do you mean 'with no metal lead' Mar 23 23:26:18 imagine a cable that bends Mar 23 23:26:50 That's what I was meaning above about right-angle. Mar 23 23:27:10 With a stick-out of ~5mm, with the cable mostly flush Mar 23 23:27:14 no right angle Mar 23 23:27:21 flexible Mar 23 23:27:41 That's damn hard to do, as that measn the cable gets a lot more than normal flexing Mar 23 23:27:42 only metal goes in usb socket Mar 23 23:27:45 it will snap Mar 23 23:28:13 no cable bends Mar 23 23:28:21 no, the cable bends Mar 23 23:28:30 it is flexible Mar 23 23:28:38 that is the point Mar 23 23:28:40 Saying 'the cable is flexible' doesn't magically make it so. Mar 23 23:28:56 Take a USB cable. Now, bend it round a 1mm radius repeatedly. Mar 23 23:29:10 It will fail in some dozens of cycles. Mar 23 23:30:10 Sorry - I'm unusually argumentative tonight. Mar 23 23:30:16 is ok Mar 23 23:30:22 i see your point Mar 23 23:30:24 But cable and connector design is annoyingly hard. Mar 23 23:30:35 consider Mar 23 23:30:43 fiber coat Mar 23 23:30:53 SpeedEvil: I wonder if the right angle is doable in a manner that will work at USB HS, and not overheat when chargin Mar 23 23:30:55 If it was as simple as leaving off the strain relief and making the cable 'flexible' - then everyone would be doing it. Mar 23 23:31:01 ds3: Should be. Mar 23 23:31:27 SpeedEvil: that's a lot of cabling to stuff in Mar 23 23:31:44 pupnik_: The fundamental issue is that copper cables have a pretty fundamental minimum bend radius. Mar 23 23:31:58 not really Mar 23 23:32:05 copper is very flexible Mar 23 23:32:05 pupnik_: This is set by the properties of copper, and the thickness of the individual wires making up the cable. Mar 23 23:32:13 ds3: Copper is very flexible - initially. Mar 23 23:32:21 and that can be strainrelieved without 20 mm of metal+plastic Mar 23 23:32:32 ds3: After a few dozen cycles, it work-hardens remarkably. Mar 23 23:32:40 SpeedEvil: just pop it into an oven after x cycles and it'll be good as new Mar 23 23:32:54 if that's the only problem... there is gold ;) Mar 23 23:32:56 ds3: That will tend to melt the cable. Mar 23 23:33:06 ds3: yes - gold is a solution I've proposed for this before. Mar 23 23:33:19 SpeedEvil: maybe... silicone might be able to tolerate the annealing temps Mar 23 23:33:33 ds3: From memory it will cost around $500 for a gold cable. Mar 23 23:33:34 I am more concerned with the resultant cable characteristics Mar 23 23:33:57 ds3: silicone can't really. The high temp stuff isn't really robust, at all. Mar 23 23:34:13 SpeedEvil: what's the annealing temp for copper? Mar 23 23:34:23 ds3: It's ~300C if I remember right. Mar 23 23:34:47 silicone should be able to tolerate that briefly Mar 23 23:35:00 and copper can be quenched unlike steel Mar 23 23:35:12 Silicone of the grade that can cope with that is very weak mechanically. Mar 23 23:35:22 It is not suitable. Mar 23 23:35:33 the nokia charging cable for my n810 was uber flexible Mar 23 23:35:35 Anyway - silly conversation is silly. Mar 23 23:35:41 I mean ordinary silicone, not the high temp stuff...the ratings are, IIRC, for continous serivce Mar 23 23:35:49 lcuk: USB raises issues. Mar 23 23:36:01 yeah ofc Mar 23 23:36:05 its like ide cables Mar 23 23:36:13 lcuk: it's a lot easier to make a two conductor cable flexy, than a 4 conductor controlled impedence cable. :/ Mar 23 23:36:17 different requirements Mar 23 23:36:22 * lcuk nods Mar 23 23:36:34 IIRC, it is also sheilded Mar 23 23:36:42 Anyway. I am going to attempt to go to sleep, so you will all dissapear for a bit into the void. Mar 23 23:36:52 haha Mar 23 23:36:58 yea Mar 23 23:36:59 SpeedEvil: sleep well. Mar 23 23:37:07 im just reading hamilton book, the dreaming void Mar 23 23:37:17 gnite SpeedEvil Mar 23 23:39:22 why partitions on n900 are so fucked up Mar 23 23:40:17 i wonder we could format and reset up fstab? Mar 23 23:40:29 no Mar 23 23:40:38 resizing is possible Mar 23 23:40:49 but why just don't join / and /home Mar 23 23:40:57 or rather, you wont overcome rootfs problems as it's physically limited by the nand chip size Mar 23 23:41:23 bs Mar 23 23:41:35 is root on a seperate chip? Mar 23 23:41:46 no Mar 23 23:41:48 yes Mar 23 23:41:49 yes, its a nand chip that's much much faster than the emmc Mar 23 23:42:10 only way round it, theoretically, would be storing rootfs data on the emmc instead of the nand Mar 23 23:42:18 which would make the device cripplingly slow Mar 23 23:42:20 jacekowski, so you can put media on a bigger storage device Mar 23 23:42:28 javispedro: NO Mar 23 23:42:42 jacekowski, it's not a laptop Mar 23 23:42:51 http://wiki.maemo.org/Nokia_N900 Mar 23 23:42:51 jacekowski: if you're going to try to make a point, please do so quickly. else, I'll say you're wrong. Mar 23 23:42:53 rootfs is on the OneNAND Mar 23 23:43:20 eMMC has home and MyDocs Mar 23 23:44:07 that page is oooooooooooutdated. Mar 23 23:44:20 well MyDocs should have been ext3... Mar 23 23:44:20 why is it vfat? Mar 23 23:44:32 so that windows machines can see it. Mar 23 23:44:57 gnite everyone anyway \o Mar 23 23:45:02 i am the ceiling cat Mar 23 23:45:02 gnite lcuk! Mar 23 23:45:04 well there are ext3 drivers. thanks windows users for that. Mar 23 23:45:06 cu Mar 23 23:45:34 god damnm windows for all time Mar 23 23:45:37 * javispedro confesses he prefers VFAT. Mar 23 23:45:50 what? Mar 23 23:46:25 simpler, doesn't have extra unneeded semantics I don't really need, and the performance difference is probably moot Mar 23 23:46:40 for a hacker phone, they sure do convience windows Mar 23 23:46:51 i'm a windows user, as far as my workstation goes. most users arent going to want to install an additional driver just to get the device visible to their pc. besides, im sure nokia do vaguely plan to add ovi suite support sometime, having an ext3 fs would probably complicate that Mar 23 23:46:54 C-S-B-N900: there is no windows ext3 driver Mar 23 23:47:37 and the hidden files in MyDocs, whys? Mar 23 23:47:52 given mfin windows, vfat is the right choice Mar 23 23:48:06 C-S-B: that's a stupid thing indeed, probably done to workaround some hildonfm limitation. Mar 23 23:48:13 dot filename Mar 23 23:48:21 yes, I mean that Mar 23 23:48:37 nidO: i expected better from you! Mar 23 23:48:41 you can rename the folders by editing the hildon-fm source, but I'm sure that if you do chaos would ensue Mar 23 23:48:55 im sure. Mar 23 23:48:55 probably would appear twice or the like Mar 23 23:49:13 why, i'm not a retard fanboy one way or the other, I use what's most productive for me - for a workstation, that's win7 Mar 23 23:49:29 C-S-B-N900: windows "ext3" driver is just ext2 driver that can open ext3 in non journaled mode and fuck up your fs if it's not cleanly unmounted Mar 23 23:49:35 for my home file/media server that also happens to be win7 Mar 23 23:50:04 * javispedro 's file server is the n900 :) Mar 23 23:50:17 my fileserver kinda has 1.4Tb of data on it atm though Mar 23 23:50:24 hard to squeeze that onto a microsd Mar 23 23:50:38 i see your point but unless you game, linux is just better. Mar 23 23:50:50 winlin flamewar tonight! Mar 23 23:50:52 especially as a server. Mar 23 23:51:01 not for me on my workstation or file/media server it isnt Mar 23 23:51:03 im not flaming... Mar 23 23:51:28 javispedro: n900 file server? really... Mar 23 23:51:34 why not? Mar 23 23:51:50 it has a builtin sai; it's fast enough; it consumes little power; it's up more time than my router... Mar 23 23:51:52 no usb host mode? Mar 23 23:52:00 usb? Mar 23 23:52:08 why would a fileserver need usb? Mar 23 23:52:16 for mass storage. Mar 23 23:52:24 probably to connect a 1.5TiB, but I don't have anything that large to store. Mar 23 23:52:27 nidO: if you had lived through msdos 1.0 to today, as i did, you might be in the "never forgive" camp Mar 23 23:52:32 usb mass storage on file server? Mar 23 23:52:35 1.5T? Mar 23 23:52:46 my file servers handle 20T Mar 23 23:52:53 pupnik_ I'm not quite that ancient but i'm not far short Mar 23 23:53:19 usb would be too slow anyways Mar 23 23:53:21 javispedro: are you nfs/smb or ssh to get your files... Mar 23 23:53:27 nfs Mar 23 23:53:58 javispedro: does that come standard? Mar 23 23:54:09 kernel modules do iirc; utils no Mar 23 23:54:38 I will go with peace, into a night Mar 23 23:54:51 where no-one is brighter or dumber Mar 23 23:54:56 do you need the utils? Mar 23 23:55:00 yes Mar 23 23:55:06 where beauty does not fall to blight Mar 23 23:55:12 at least mount.nfs and portmap Mar 23 23:55:14 yes, without a portmapper it's going to be difficult. Mar 23 23:55:19 and Microsoft has not one customer Mar 23 23:55:25 but i think you can do it without portmap Mar 23 23:55:38 nfsv4, maybe Mar 23 23:55:43 mount just timeouts on trying to contact portmap Mar 23 23:55:47 and does it over default ports Mar 23 23:55:54 javispedro: did you compile the tools or are they in the repo. Mar 23 23:55:55 not for statd, lockd, etc. Mar 23 23:56:13 mount.nfs probably fallbacks to nfsv2 iirc Mar 23 23:56:21 the busybox one doesn't Mar 23 23:56:36 i don't think so Mar 23 23:56:41 i had lot of fun with that Mar 23 23:56:46 i mean portmap was dead Mar 23 23:56:52 it was taking a lot to mount Mar 23 23:57:03 but it was mounting it over v4 Mar 23 23:57:04 and xfer speed are you getting? Mar 23 23:57:16 nfs? Mar 23 23:57:19 network speed Mar 23 23:57:27 i'd say "nfsv4 maybe" Mar 23 23:57:32 fcuk Mar 23 23:57:34 nite all, sweet dreams Mar 23 23:57:47 s/i'd say/i said Mar 23 23:57:51 my has defaulted to factory settings Mar 23 23:58:00 sftp in nautilus is doing ok at the mo. Mar 23 23:58:04 or no Mar 23 23:58:41 but i might static ip this badboy and map it on my comp. Mar 23 23:59:01 sftp is too slow for me Mar 24 00:00:20 is there a guide to getting the n900 nfs ready? Mar 24 00:00:56 there are some modules in maemo-extras Mar 24 00:01:01 and utils Mar 24 00:02:34 then i may well have them. i know i have the cifs pack. Mar 24 00:05:52 Has the promotion of packages from Extras-devel to Extras-testing been disabled? Mar 24 00:06:18 might be Mar 24 00:06:37 from today on iirc they will be built for fremantle-1.2 Mar 24 00:06:48 not unless it happened very recently, last package was promoted like 2 hours ago Mar 24 00:07:27 yeah well Wednesday arrived just 2 hours ago (UTC) :) Mar 24 00:07:42 http://lolfed.com/wp-content/lesko.jpg lol Mar 24 00:07:43 7 minutes ago* :p Mar 24 00:07:44 nidO, I just uploaded a package, the build succeeded, but there is no "Promote Package" link. Mar 24 00:08:04 nidO, My build completed more than 7 minutes ago. Mar 24 00:08:18 nidO: touché Mar 24 00:08:40 well, no clue - if today (weds) is when it's disabled for the current repo then they might have shut down promotion in the past couple of hours Mar 24 00:09:00 but the last package to go to testing hit at 21:45, 2 hours 25 mins ago Mar 24 00:09:15 nidO, Rats - Will it now be impossible to promote packages until whenever pr1.2 appears? Mar 24 00:09:24 I want to propose to switch the fremantle autobuilder to use the PR1.2 SDK coming Wednesday March 24th, 12:00 UTC. Mar 24 00:09:27 Mar 24 00:09:43 so, dunno. Mar 24 00:09:56 javispedro, Not much of a warning interval. Mar 24 00:10:13 hum Mar 24 00:10:18 javispedro, Not that I'm blaming *you*. Mar 24 00:10:19 12:00 utc is 12 hours from now Mar 24 00:10:30 i said "dunno" Mar 24 00:10:47 nidO: it was 12h ago Mar 24 00:11:03 hmm anyone know how to get the button label text on a QtGui.QPushButton ? Mar 24 00:11:06 and 36h ago Mar 24 00:11:10 .setText to set it Mar 24 00:11:18 12:00 utc weds 24th is in 11 hours 49 minutes time Mar 24 00:11:19 but not sure how to retrieve it in pymaemo Mar 24 00:11:21 pyqt Mar 24 00:12:31 or in 365 days and 11h 48 minutes Mar 24 00:13:24 good night Mar 24 00:13:40 good. Mar 24 00:13:44 er.. Mar 24 00:13:45 gnite. Mar 24 00:15:17 :D Mar 24 00:23:03 anyone? :D - how to get a buttons text (QtGui.QPushButton) using pyqt? - just trying to see what the current button text is? Mar 24 00:26:28 in 365 days and 11h 48 minutes definitely isn't wednesday 24h Mar 24 00:26:58 meh - no panic, sorted, used a global var :D Mar 24 00:30:07 24th even Mar 24 00:30:17 noobmonk3y: try print dir(yourobject), should list a set of methods on it Mar 24 00:30:22 (not sure if it made it through the last time before i got dc'd) Mar 24 00:31:13 http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/bh8mm/take_action_to_keep_sarah_palin_aerial_wolfkiller/ Take action to keep Sarah Palin, aerial wolf-killer, off Discovery Mar 24 00:50:11 I am an idiot - can anyone tell me where I can get /etc/init.d/icd2 , I just rm it by mistake Mar 24 00:53:53 pastbin ok cityLights2 ? Mar 24 00:54:19 yes! Mar 24 00:54:52 or just doing something like apt-get install --reinstall icd2 Mar 24 00:55:04 I tried it - doesnt work Mar 24 00:55:37 you tried it with this syntax and it failed how? Mar 24 00:56:06 yes this syntax - file is still missing Mar 24 00:56:31 ah I see, they made icd2.initd a conffile Mar 24 00:56:59 http://paste.debian.net/65555/ Mar 24 00:57:12 thanks mate Mar 24 00:57:17 np Mar 24 01:01:39 I am seeking the IAP ID Mar 24 01:01:51 so I ran gconftool -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP |more Mar 24 01:02:07 but how can I tell which is the ID? Mar 24 01:03:00 I mean , I search for gprs Mar 24 01:03:07 then how can I find the ID? Mar 24 01:04:03 only number I see under /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/Internet@32@3G: is sim_imsi number Mar 24 01:05:48 * noobmonk3y is off to bed, night alls Mar 24 01:07:43 hi, could someone help me find how do i get opengles-sgx-img-common and opengles-sgx-img-common packages? Mar 24 01:08:17 SudhirMathane: you probably don't. Mar 24 01:09:06 luke-jr: Are these packages missing in repositories? Mar 24 01:09:46 any idea when I first install php server and lighttpd on n900 it works fine I restart and start lighttpd but php stops working Mar 24 01:10:12 hey guys, i heard there's a maemo gsoc chan, where is that? Mar 24 01:10:22 nvm, found it Mar 24 01:10:41 SudhirMathane: they're not redistributable, afaik Mar 24 01:11:53 luke-jr: thanks for your help. One last questions --> are these covered under than NOKIA binaries under EULA? Mar 24 01:17:07 SudhirMathane: if they are in the Nokia repositories, they are not redistributable. If they are in the Maemo repository, they are redistributable (and in the free category) Mar 24 01:18:34 crashanddie: thanks Mar 24 01:23:15 They should have licences coming with them anyhoo Mar 24 02:42:33 whats the intermediate power option like? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 24 02:59:57 2010