**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 24 02:59:57 2010
Mar 24 03:07:10 <cehteh> mhm i wondering if i should a very long lasting (30min for example) vibration alarm with very short pulses (little more than the screen tap vibr) and long pause (15-30 sec) for notification .. xchat for example
Mar 24 03:07:45 <cehteh> eventually one notice it when the device twitches
Mar 24 03:19:42 <cehteh> .. note: no thats not good
Mar 24 03:20:44 <yigal> for diablo users: has anyone here been succesful in using stereo headphones via a2dp ?
Mar 24 03:21:10 <yigal> or stereo over bt in general in diablo?
Mar 24 03:22:00 <DocScrutinizer> failed
Mar 24 03:23:39 <yigal> I see this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=13468&highlight=a2dp so I imagine it works, or at least it worked on diablo
Mar 24 03:58:54 <|R_> anyone has a browserd -s 1234 -n browserui poping up randomly and actually waking the screen up ? (i get my pin asked because it's been long enough)
Mar 24 04:02:40 * disco_stu convirtiendo flvs a mp4
Mar 24 05:05:56 <LiraNuna> x86_64 is /still/ not supported in maemo sdk?
Mar 24 05:13:25 <Milo-> I have no issues with x86_64
Mar 24 05:26:20 <ptl> 516 nicks in #maemo vs. 322 nicks in android.
Mar 24 05:26:27 <ptl> I mean #android
Mar 24 05:26:50 <ptl> 96 nicks in #iphone
Mar 24 05:33:11 <crashanddie> ~ping
Mar 24 05:33:12 <infobot> ~pong
Mar 24 05:33:19 <Stskeeps> ~plonk
Mar 24 05:33:20 <infobot> rumour has it, plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or killfile
Mar 24 05:34:01 <crashanddie> ptl: IRC activity is hardly any kind of pointer of popularity
Mar 24 05:34:32 <crashanddie> ptl: Android and iPhoneOS blow Maemo out of the water in terms of numbers, they just target less nerdy types of users
Mar 24 05:36:06 <Stskeeps> irc activity on freenode, too
Mar 24 05:36:06 <Stskeeps> :P
Mar 24 05:36:51 <crashanddie> I'm guessing Freenode is one of the more popular networks these days
Mar 24 05:37:03 <crashanddie> I hardly hear of Quakenet, undernet or Efnet anymore these days
Mar 24 05:57:12 <LiraNuna> I installed the maemo5 SDK
Mar 24 05:57:15 <LiraNuna> now what? :D
Mar 24 05:58:10 <ankur> I have installed maemo5 too
Mar 24 05:58:12 <LiraNuna> docs show /scratchbox/ but I don't have it in /
Mar 24 06:01:26 <ankur> Regarding application testing is Emulator tool avalibale
Mar 24 06:03:03 <ptl> crashanddie: don't get me at me for pointing that! :)
Mar 24 06:03:22 <ptl> crashanddie: the activity in talk.maemo.org is also much greater than any of the android forums I've visited so far.
Mar 24 06:03:35 <ptl> *crashanddie: don't get mad at me
Mar 24 06:03:38 <crashanddie> s/activity/noise/
Mar 24 06:04:24 <ptl> yeah, but the same kind (and percentage) of noise that appears in other forums, so it cancels
Mar 24 06:05:05 <crashanddie> ptl: you're trying to imply the number of Maemo users is greater than the number of Android users?
Mar 24 06:05:13 <crashanddie> I mean, I love the platform, but seriously, we have to be realistic
Mar 24 06:07:00 <ptl> not really
Mar 24 06:07:52 <ptl> I am just trying to irritate someone enough so that the irritated person thinks that I think the world is nerdy
Mar 24 06:07:55 <ptl> something like that
Mar 24 06:08:39 <ptl> nevertheless android also has a nerd side
Mar 24 06:08:43 <LiraNuna> why can't I find anything that indicates where the maemo sdk was installed to?
Mar 24 06:09:34 <slonopotamus> what does (nc) in bugzilla mean?
Mar 24 06:09:56 <LiraNuna> no content
Mar 24 06:10:11 <slonopotamus> thx
Mar 24 06:11:19 <ankur> anyone having little time please tell regarding emulator
Mar 24 06:11:52 <MiXu-> ankur: There's scratchbox
Mar 24 06:13:08 <MiXu-> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_using_GUI_Installer
Mar 24 06:14:09 <ankur> ok thnx sir ,
Mar 24 06:14:51 <ankur> Regarding GSoc i need to dicuss over EBook reader project
Mar 24 06:32:42 <LiraNuna> does the N900's ARM CPU support NEON?
Mar 24 06:34:13 <crashanddie> LiraNuna: no
Mar 24 06:34:13 <Summeli> sure
Mar 24 06:34:23 <crashanddie> LiraNuna: NEON is only available on Cortex IIRC
Mar 24 06:34:33 <LiraNuna> uhm, isn't N900 Cortex A8...
Mar 24 06:34:40 <Summeli> yeah, so it's supported
Mar 24 06:34:54 <Summeli> have fun ^^
Mar 24 06:35:01 <LiraNuna> awesome, I wanted to have fun with NEON for so long
Mar 24 06:35:40 * crashanddie is sleepy
Mar 24 06:35:50 <crashanddie> sorry 'bout that
Mar 24 06:36:16 <Stskeeps> LiraNuna: yes, there's NEON patches in libjpeg for instance
Mar 24 06:36:26 <LiraNuna> leetness
Mar 24 06:36:35 <LiraNuna> I wanted to play with NEON for so long
Mar 24 06:36:44 <LiraNuna> gonna have fun with a lame google map app
Mar 24 07:15:41 <Passeli> it seems that in N900 i cannot anymore install local packages by application manager
Mar 24 07:15:54 <Passeli> is the only way to install xterm + rootsh ?
Mar 24 07:16:11 <Passeli> so that it is possible to install local packages?
Mar 24 07:20:31 <Matros> Hi all!
Mar 24 07:22:07 <rmrfchik> Passeli: dpkg -i file.deb
Mar 24 07:33:51 <Passeli> rmrfchik: yeah but in order to do that i need to install xterm+rootsh
Mar 24 07:34:22 <Passeli> i'm asking confirmation that there is no other way to do local packages install
Mar 24 07:34:41 <rmrfchik> hmmm..
Mar 24 07:48:28 <Passeli> what does following error mean: Warning: This package does not have the required bugtracker link specified! ?
Mar 24 07:53:02 <Passeli> find it, it seems that i'm missing bugtracker address at control file
Mar 24 08:16:16 <LiraNuna> how come I can't set +x on files?
Mar 24 08:16:23 <LiraNuna> on the N900's terminal
Mar 24 08:16:38 <fragment> LiraNuna: which partition?
Mar 24 08:16:50 <LiraNuna> ~/MyDocs/
Mar 24 08:16:56 <fragment> that is FAT32
Mar 24 08:17:03 <LiraNuna> eeew
Mar 24 08:17:15 <mortal> what is the best chess app for n800?
Mar 24 08:17:17 <LiraNuna> how do I execute from FAT32
Mar 24 08:17:33 <Stskeeps> mortal: comes with one that's kinda difficult
Mar 24 08:18:17 <mortal> Stskeeps: what is it based on? gnuchess?
Mar 24 08:19:04 <Stskeeps> yeah
Mar 24 08:19:58 <LiraNuna> hmm
Mar 24 08:20:02 <LiraNuna> /home/user is ext3
Mar 24 08:20:29 <LiraNuna> I took the OpenVG examples from TI
Mar 24 08:20:39 <Sampppa_> LiraNuna, put your files under /opt for example
Mar 24 08:20:42 <LiraNuna> it says 'Warning! Using the SOFTWARE renderer'
Mar 24 08:20:46 <tekojo> Morning!
Mar 24 08:20:54 <mortal> I wish I could get a recent crafty and some good ui
Mar 24 08:20:54 <Stskeeps> morning!
Mar 24 08:21:06 <LiraNuna> there's no OpenVG support for N900?
Mar 24 08:21:18 <mortal> could it be possible to get some debian package of crafty and install it? or would it break things
Mar 24 08:22:36 <Stskeeps> LiraNuna: not sure, there is for n8x0 :P
Mar 24 08:22:49 <LiraNuna> why does it fallback to the software renderer? :(
Mar 24 08:23:17 <noobmonk3y> meh... tmo down
Mar 24 08:23:24 <mikhas> mortal, last time I tried to compile crafty it came up with a lot of warnings ... havent tried to compile it for arm
Mar 24 08:23:28 <ptl> again! :/
Mar 24 08:23:33 <noobmonk3y> meh
Mar 24 08:23:45 <noobmonk3y> just as i was pressing submit on a post :(
Mar 24 08:23:54 <LiraNuna> huh
Mar 24 08:24:01 <LiraNuna> even the OGL demos says
Mar 24 08:24:16 <LiraNuna> 'Warning! Using the SOFTWARE renderer'
Mar 24 08:25:36 <noobmonk3y> Grrrrrr to tmo, got to goto work in a mo
Mar 24 08:26:50 <ptl> it's back
Mar 24 08:31:02 <LiraNuna> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37966
Mar 24 08:31:06 <LiraNuna> I'm not the only one
Mar 24 08:34:27 * noobmonk3y w000000ps
Mar 24 08:39:18 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/23/sandisk_32gb_microsdhc/ <-- hmm can haz 64gb in a n900 ;)
Mar 24 08:40:43 <pupnik> crazy
Mar 24 08:41:00 <mortal> is there any directory based mp3 player available for n800
Mar 24 08:41:28 <pupnik> xmms, mplayer
Mar 24 08:41:36 <mortal> thanks
Mar 24 08:43:41 <noobmonk3y> £133 eeeeeeeek
Mar 24 08:44:05 * noobmonk3y blames lcuk for the price of the world.......
Mar 24 08:44:11 <noobmonk3y> right off to work, have a gd day alls
Mar 24 08:45:42 <ameng> Hi, anybody can help to tell me how to build a deb package from source (automake based)?
Mar 24 08:46:17 <ameng> in scratchbox
Mar 24 08:46:20 <Stskeeps> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
Mar 24 08:46:20 <Stskeeps> :P
Mar 24 08:46:22 <noobmonk3y> py2deb/py2packager on the devcie :D
Mar 24 08:46:25 <noobmonk3y> device*
Mar 24 08:46:29 <noobmonk3y> from python anyway
Mar 24 08:47:09 <ameng> Stskeeps: dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory
Mar 24 08:47:10 <ameng> dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is
Mar 24 08:47:35 <Stskeeps> ok, you want to package a automake based software, or build a pre-existing package?
Mar 24 08:48:16 <ameng> Stskeeps: package a automake based software
Mar 24 08:48:47 <Stskeeps> ameng: ok, then go read the nearest packaging guides for debian or contact our debmaster, jeremiah
Mar 24 08:48:56 <Stskeeps> he's hired to help with questions and such regarding things
Mar 24 08:50:25 <ameng> Stskeeps: thanks , where can i find jeremiah?
Mar 24 08:50:56 <Stskeeps> ameng: jeremiah.foster@pelagicore.com
Mar 24 08:51:09 <Stskeeps> not sure why he's not hanging out here anymore though
Mar 24 08:51:25 <ameng> Stskeeps: oh
Mar 24 08:51:35 <Khertan> Hi !
Mar 24 08:51:47 <iryge> hey stskeeps, do you plan on updating your example theme to use hildon-theme-layout-5  0.15.0-1? i don't know how to easily fork nokia's example theme...
Mar 24 08:52:52 <Stskeeps> iryge: yes, it's a matter of pulling down the updated variant example, i will do this later tody
Mar 24 08:53:26 <TigerTael> Wish they'd hurry up with 1.2 already.
Mar 24 08:54:06 <iryge> stskeeps: yeah i actually tried your try_it_out.sh script with the new variant example, and it gave some error, which i've already forgotten
Mar 24 08:54:48 <iryge> and their script still requires confml, whatever that is.
Mar 24 09:08:47 <fluemo> hmm, it seems 1.2 is already out via pc updater?
Mar 24 09:11:48 <TigerTael> fluemo, is it?
Mar 24 09:13:23 <nidO> it isnt
Mar 24 09:13:31 <nidO> please read more than the first post in that thread
Mar 24 09:15:19 <tybollt> nidO: no, I like me reading the first few post and then making premature assumptions about everything said in there, kthxplz
Mar 24 09:15:28 <tybollt> ;)
Mar 24 09:15:42 <nidO> no u :(
Mar 24 09:15:45 <TigerTael> ffs
Mar 24 09:16:31 <Khertan> fluemo: it s pr1.1.1
Mar 24 09:17:41 <ptl> tmo down again...
Mar 24 09:17:45 <fluemo> yea, i see now, lol.. i didnt even see the thread about it yet
Mar 24 09:18:33 <ptl> well, just ask that guy if he can reorder the menu items. if he can't, it' PR 1.1.1.
Mar 24 09:20:03 <ptl> Nokia is taking so long with PR 1.2 that it must be rock stable now.
Mar 24 09:20:19 <ptl> I was comparing my N900 to a friend's Motorola backflip
Mar 24 09:20:29 <ptl> he had to turn it in to the seller 2 times... It's the third device he gets
Mar 24 09:20:35 <nidO> well, it is a ginormous patch if the monster list of bugfixes is even remotely accurate
Mar 24 09:20:36 <ptl> it just keeps rebooting
Mar 24 09:21:01 <ptl> and with all my tinkering I have the N900 for almost two months and have had only one freeze.
Mar 24 09:21:06 <ptl> no random reboots.
Mar 24 09:21:14 <Khertan> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php <<--- still no 1.2 ... so no ... pr1.2 is definitively not available
Mar 24 09:21:16 <gouverneur> ptl: you come from windows?
Mar 24 09:21:46 <ptl> gouverneur: don't offende me! :P I use solely Linux as my SO since 2001.
Mar 24 09:21:47 <gouverneur> ptl: I had no freeze yet
Mar 24 09:21:50 <FIQ> i've no freeze at all. :D
Mar 24 09:21:51 <ptl> *as my OS
Mar 24 09:21:59 <nidO> windows doesnt freeze..
Mar 24 09:22:05 <gouverneur> ptl: because you talk like one
Mar 24 09:22:27 <FIQ> SE P1i was a nice phone (my previous phone) but it freezed one time a day
Mar 24 09:22:52 <gouverneur> windows just hangsup
Mar 24 09:22:59 <nidO> it really doesnt
Mar 24 09:22:59 <FIQ> just because of that, it takes me just 10secs to take off and insert the battery in it lol
Mar 24 09:23:14 <FIQ> windows, not freezing?
Mar 24 09:23:26 <nidO> rabid linux fanboys have such a distorted view of windows its laughable
Mar 24 09:23:57 <ptl> gouverneur: it hang just after I installed Appwatch
Mar 24 09:24:04 <ptl> gouverneur: I talk like one? How it is like?
Mar 24 09:24:06 <tybollt> ptl: OTOH - there are quite a few common build quality issues.
Mar 24 09:24:07 <FIQ> well, it rarely makes a completly freeze (but it happens!) but it tend to require rebooting to solve many strange problems
Mar 24 09:24:08 <ptl> *How is it like
Mar 24 09:24:12 <tybollt> with the n900
Mar 24 09:24:16 <FIQ> I've never understand why.
Mar 24 09:24:25 <gouverneur> nidO: it is not called fanboys... its called idealists
Mar 24 09:24:42 <ptl> gouverneur: maybe that's because I am a non-native english speaker. Some of my words might seem not so... unixy?
Mar 24 09:24:48 <gouverneur> ptl: "that it must be rock stable now"
Mar 24 09:24:48 <nidO> no, its fanboys. idealists would have no reason to incorrectly bash an operating system they know dick all about
Mar 24 09:24:55 <FIQ> I would prefer Linux, but windows isn't *that* bad
Mar 24 09:25:10 <tybollt> FFS noobs
Mar 24 09:25:31 <gouverneur> nidO: I know both and still dont like windows... or microsoft at all
Mar 24 09:25:31 <FIQ> love you too, tybollt. :3
Mar 24 09:25:32 <tybollt> it is "fanboi" :)
Mar 24 09:25:57 <tybollt> now call me by the CORRECT derogatory name, will you please?
Mar 24 09:25:59 <gouverneur> FIQ: have I to remind of Win ME?
Mar 24 09:26:08 <gouverneur> or XP64
Mar 24 09:26:09 <FIQ> no lol
Mar 24 09:26:13 <gouverneur> or vista
Mar 24 09:26:14 <nidO> i've been using win7 for a year and a half on my workstation, the *only* times its been shutdown or rebooted are when i moved house last july and once every couple of months when the patch tuesday requires a reboot
Mar 24 09:26:19 <FIQ> i have vista
Mar 24 09:26:20 <FIQ> :)
Mar 24 09:26:43 <ptl> what's FFS?
Mar 24 09:26:45 <gouverneur> nidO: so they fixed the constantly rebooting issue?
Mar 24 09:26:46 <FIQ> i hate UAC on it, but the unstableness of it, i havent seen anything of
Mar 24 09:26:47 <nidO> prior to that I used xp for perhaps 5 years on my workstations, I dont even know what the xp bsod screen looks like
Mar 24 09:27:03 <tybollt> (what nid forgets to mention are the 12 or so botnet that silently pwns his Win 7 w/out him knowing it)
Mar 24 09:27:10 <nidO> gouverneur I used the beta, rc1, and now final and i've never seen any constantly rebooting or crashing or anything issues
Mar 24 09:27:14 <FIQ> windows xp logo, loading bar with blue squares going
Mar 24 09:27:17 <FIQ> etc
Mar 24 09:27:19 <ptl> for fuck's sake?
Mar 24 09:27:20 <FIQ> np
Mar 24 09:27:30 <FIQ> correct, ptl
Mar 24 09:27:30 <tybollt> ptl: correct yes
Mar 24 09:28:06 <gouverneur> nidO: no I mean that you have to reboot once a day because of some freaking upgrade, my gamingcomputer got windows xp with turned of upgrades to prevent it from rebooting
Mar 24 09:28:14 <FIQ> rebooting cycle is usually caused of a firmware brick
Mar 24 09:28:35 <nidO> win7 updates require reboots perhaps every 2nd/3rd timer
Mar 24 09:28:37 <nidO> -r*
Mar 24 09:28:39 <ptl> I am windows free and I intend to keep that way. Ok, my previous phone was a windows mobile, I confess, but that's it. :)
Mar 24 09:28:42 <nidO> which equates to once every 2-3 months
Mar 24 09:28:49 <FIQ> governeur, you really shouldn't turn it off
Mar 24 09:28:56 <nidO> less often than a well maintained nix system would need reboots for kernel updates
Mar 24 09:28:57 <gouverneur> nidO: so it is still there...
Mar 24 09:29:15 <FIQ> and, btw
Mar 24 09:29:20 <FIQ> i use vista SP2
Mar 24 09:29:24 <FIQ> works fine
Mar 24 09:29:43 <tybollt> Well I use linux, openbsd, windows etc... daily. They are all OSes, they suck in their own very special little way. I love my Windows 7 for what it excels att
Mar 24 09:29:46 <tybollt> at
Mar 24 09:29:47 <gouverneur> nidO: let it become the primary win on the market and you will reboot at least every two days... like any other windwos
Mar 24 09:30:03 <gouverneur> FIQ: turn what off?
Mar 24 09:30:07 <nidO> why would I? and I never did so with xp for 5 years
Mar 24 09:30:07 <ptl> Shoot me, but I use Linux mainly for ethical reasons.
Mar 24 09:30:13 <FIQ> windows updates
Mar 24 09:30:32 <ptl> free software philosophy and the such.
Mar 24 09:30:59 <tybollt> ptl: I love the people that use Linux for "ethical" reasons then they put the latest binary blob from Nvidia on their computer and think they are all ethical and such... what a bunc of crock...
Mar 24 09:31:08 <nidO> hell I used win2000 server back in the day on my workstation machine, I had an uptime of 8 months on that at once point
Mar 24 09:31:12 <gouverneur> nidO: then you dont work with it and you do not do security upgrades
Mar 24 09:31:29 <nidO> read my point re kernels, it seems the same applies to you.
Mar 24 09:31:53 <gouverneur> my office windows has nearly a constant yellowish shield in systray to tell me to reboot
Mar 24 09:31:54 <ptl> tybollt: there's a compromise to that, I try to keep my non-free-software to the minimum. I use free drivers from intel and such...
Mar 24 09:32:04 <FIQ> here's what I think: Windows is not über bad (if you don't count ME/Vista without any SP), but it has disadventages. I prefer Linux because it's free, virus free, easy to upgrade, and i love the package manager idea
Mar 24 09:32:22 <ptl> tybollt: but you can't really blame them for trying. nvidia blobs are bad, but a whole closed SO is worse.
Mar 24 09:32:23 <lupine_85> so on my N900, what format should I be transcoding video /to/, in order to get acceptable playback?
Mar 24 09:32:25 <ptl> s/SO/OS/
Mar 24 09:32:26 <infobot> ptl meant: tybollt: but you can't really blame them for trying. nvidia blobs are bad, but a whole closed OS is worse.
Mar 24 09:32:29 <nidO> i'd think perhaps you're doing something wrong then gouverneur. windows update on average updates your machine once a month, thats just a fact.
Mar 24 09:32:31 <FIQ> but i wouldn't count me as a "Linux fanboy"
Mar 24 09:32:48 <gouverneur> lupine_85: raw?
Mar 24 09:32:52 <tybollt> ptl: then all respect to you... I am too lazy... my TV computer is Win 7 because I couldn't be arsed to tinker for two years before starting to use it :)
Mar 24 09:33:07 <FIQ> nid0, it sends fixes every tuesday iirc
Mar 24 09:33:11 <nidO> no
Mar 24 09:33:12 <lupine_85> has it got the I/O throughput for that?
Mar 24 09:33:15 <nidO> its one tuesday a month.
Mar 24 09:33:25 <FIQ> except major security holes
Mar 24 09:33:27 <FIQ> hm, ok
Mar 24 09:33:35 <nidO> except for enormously urgent fixes, yes
Mar 24 09:33:37 <lupine_85> surely, there must be /one/ codec that "just works"
Mar 24 09:33:38 <nidO> which doesnt happen often
Mar 24 09:34:01 <FIQ> hm
Mar 24 09:34:12 <FIQ> i will buy a 16GB sd card soon
Mar 24 09:34:44 <ptl> tybollt: one of the main reasons for me to switch to N900 was to keep my closed software to the minimum. I don't mind paying extra for freedom. I even tried to import the freerunner a while ago but couldn't. And I bought my previous phone, with windows mobile, thinking it would be able to run android (there was a video of a very early beta android running on it on youtube).
Mar 24 09:35:10 <FIQ> so i can play easily with alternate OSes for N900
Mar 24 09:35:14 <FIQ> :d
Mar 24 09:35:17 <gouverneur> lupine_85: just anything you like! the format as long as not propriitary does not matter the size should fit the screen so there is no need to scale
Mar 24 09:35:30 <FIQ> hm, btw
Mar 24 09:35:30 <tybollt> ptl: I do not agree... The point is that graphics has direct access to memory and by that notion it can do whatever the hell it wants to your system, effectively a bug in your graphics driver can expose you to any number of root's. So in that sense - putting custom Nvidia blobs in your linux is about as bad as running Windows... you have NO IDEA what goes on with your machines (oh - same goes for N900 of course :)
Mar 24 09:35:37 <lupine_85> gouverneur: you miss my point. I get about 5-10fps with h.264
Mar 24 09:35:40 <FIQ> about the bootloader for N900
Mar 24 09:36:00 <FIQ> wouldn't it be theoretical possible to boot from live sessions with it?
Mar 24 09:36:06 <lupine_85> it's lovely that it tries, but I'd rather have the video and audio in sync, and at the correct speed
Mar 24 09:36:07 <FIQ> for example, from a sd card
Mar 24 09:36:09 <gouverneur> lupine_85: I get about 29.8 fps...
Mar 24 09:36:28 <lupine_85> with h.264? what resolution?
Mar 24 09:36:31 <ptl> tybollt: yes, there's many points to it, technically-wise and such. I do consider them also, of course. But I do really matter about freedom and such. There's no use of having a device (computer, mobile phone or whatever) if it doesn't work at all.
Mar 24 09:36:51 <gouverneur> lupine_85: 800x420
Mar 24 09:37:25 <Mece> what doesn't work now?
Mar 24 09:37:41 <gouverneur> ptl: what is it with you? reflash your damn thing and stop installing devel apps!
Mar 24 09:37:51 <tybollt> ptl: agreed :)
Mar 24 09:37:57 <ptl> gouverneur: ???
Mar 24 09:37:59 <ptl> lol
Mar 24 09:38:06 <FIQ> question:
Mar 24 09:38:15 <tybollt> mece: discussing OSes.
Mar 24 09:38:26 <ptl> gouverneur: what does this have to do with devel apps?
Mar 24 09:38:26 <FIQ> why does the pacman take years to load?
Mar 24 09:38:29 <gouverneur> ptl: have I overread something and yelling on the wrong guy?
Mar 24 09:38:35 <FIQ> too many enabled repositories?
Mar 24 09:38:39 <ptl> gouverneur: I think so!
Mar 24 09:38:52 <tybollt> hehe poor ptl - everyone's dumping on him =)
Mar 24 09:39:13 <FIQ> everytime i install something, the cache update takes more time than the install itself
Mar 24 09:39:20 <ptl> :(
Mar 24 09:39:32 <gouverneur> ptl: yeah some things do not work out that well for sure, I can easily crash my hildon-desktop with installing OMweather....
Mar 24 09:39:56 <tybollt> omweather is a biatch...
Mar 24 09:39:58 <lupine_85> ho de hum
Mar 24 09:40:07 <tybollt> "please promise to reboot your machine after instal"
Mar 24 09:40:10 <tybollt> what the ...?
Mar 24 09:40:18 <ptl> gouverneur: but i was not saying that my apps or my device don't work, I was talking about a hypothetical generic case... My N900 is very stable indeed.
Mar 24 09:40:22 <FIQ> lol :P
Mar 24 09:40:26 <gouverneur> FIQ: yes, and If you run out of / space you may deavtivate them and clean cache...
Mar 24 09:40:44 <gouverneur> ptl: ah generic... ok
Mar 24 09:40:48 <gouverneur> ptl: sry
Mar 24 09:40:59 <FIQ> i clean the cache often...
Mar 24 09:41:17 <FIQ> just for preventing rootfs being full
Mar 24 09:41:28 <gouverneur> FIQ: does not matter... the listings stay
Mar 24 09:41:55 <FIQ> meh
Mar 24 09:42:16 <gouverneur> disabling all unneeded repos frees up space you may need if your upgrade is stuck at some point
Mar 24 09:42:52 <FIQ> rootfs                  227.9M    192.9M     30.8M  86% /
Mar 24 09:43:12 <FIQ> not that little space free
Mar 24 09:43:44 <gouverneur> I tried to optify themes and stuff but somethings wrong with the setup there, even with all files moved I get another stby slider or background after reboot
Mar 24 09:45:00 <gouverneur> FIQ: PR1.0 needed +50MB afaik to install
Mar 24 09:45:23 <FIQ> :(
Mar 24 09:45:46 <FIQ> then the PR1.2 update will fail for now (when it get released)
Mar 24 09:46:22 <Mece> FIQ, disabling extras, testing, and devel gives me about 19Mb
Mar 24 09:46:37 <gouverneur> FIQ: you just disable the repos, update database and you should be fine (give it a try and have a look what happens with your free space if you disable all but nokias needed)
Mar 24 09:46:51 <gouverneur> Mece: thats what I am talking about
Mar 24 09:46:57 <FIQ> hm
Mar 24 09:47:01 <FIQ> ok, i will try
Mar 24 09:47:07 <lcuk> FIQ, go into ham manager and disable extras devel and testing and see how much extra space you gain instantly
Mar 24 09:47:11 <Mece> is there an update out?
Mar 24 09:47:20 <lcuk> not that i know of :D
Mar 24 09:47:25 <gouverneur> Mece: nope
Mar 24 09:47:32 <Mece> ok.
Mar 24 09:48:09 <FIQ> uh
Mar 24 09:48:14 <FIQ> O_o
Mar 24 09:48:17 <FIQ> i have devel
Mar 24 09:48:21 <FIQ> but not testing
Mar 24 09:48:22 <gouverneur> but it keeps me showing one in ham with old version number and after apt-get upgrade (nothing installed or upgraded) it is gone
Mar 24 09:49:03 <FIQ> rootfs                  227.9M    176.8M     46.9M  79% /
Mar 24 09:49:15 <gouverneur> here we go!
Mar 24 09:49:20 <FIQ> when i disable extras, joikuspot, amsn, mozilla, devel
Mar 24 09:49:24 <FIQ> disabled*
Mar 24 09:49:59 <gouverneur> amsn mozilla?
Mar 24 09:50:43 <FIQ> amsn for... well, aMSN
Mar 24 09:50:53 <FIQ> mozilla for fennec, i guess
Mar 24 09:51:18 <gouverneur> ok
Mar 24 09:51:49 <gouverneur> cause thats all in the normal repos (well not amsn but the plugins for it)
Mar 24 09:53:32 <gouverneur> will skype get the cam inout?
Mar 24 09:57:42 <ameng> exit
Mar 24 10:14:08 * lupine_85 installs the Qt SDK for a play
Mar 24 10:17:18 <KelloggsFrosties> hi folks. is this the right place to ask a question concerning programming qt ui for maemo (n900)?
Mar 24 10:19:07 <mikhas> no
Mar 24 10:19:17 <mikhas> but #qt-maemo might be
Mar 24 10:19:32 <KelloggsFrosties> mikhas: thanks a lot!
Mar 24 10:24:59 <tybollt> mmmh frosties
Mar 24 10:25:15 * tybollt tilts heads backwards and drools plentifully
Mar 24 10:49:36 <corecode_> i didn't find joikuspot
Mar 24 10:49:45 <corecode_> does it exist for maemo5?
Mar 24 10:51:31 <tybollt> yes
Mar 24 10:51:52 <tybollt> corecode_: you have to look it up at joikusofts own homepage, it's not ina maemo repos
Mar 24 10:52:37 <ccooke> Morning, all
Mar 24 10:54:30 <corecode_> free or $$?
Mar 24 10:54:52 <tybollt> free for now but it is still beta (and the quality is quite beta indeed
Mar 24 10:54:54 <tybollt> )
Mar 24 10:55:46 <corecode_> i see
Mar 24 10:55:48 <corecode_> thanks
Mar 24 10:57:03 <Khertan> Hi all !
Mar 24 11:00:55 * Arif_ yawns
Mar 24 11:14:07 <D-Iivil> Someone here who can see what's wrong with extras-devel -repo not putting builded .debs to the pool?
Mar 24 11:14:39 <Sampppa_> D-Iivil, it will take some time?
Mar 24 11:15:05 <Stskeeps> D-Iivil: look at the -developers list, there was a announcement re PR1.2
Mar 24 11:15:17 <D-Iivil> Sammpa_: yeah, but now it's taking more than usually. Usually debs are appearing http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/ here almost as soon as the build is success.
Mar 24 11:15:31 <D-Iivil> Stskeeps, where to look?
Mar 24 11:15:38 <DocScrutinizer> moroning
Mar 24 11:15:44 <Jaffa> X-Fade: ping
Mar 24 11:16:09 <Stskeeps> 2- Maemo 5 PR1.2 will ship with Extras enabled by default but will use
Mar 24 11:16:10 <Stskeeps> distribution: fremantle-1.2
Mar 24 11:16:10 <Stskeeps> - 'older' devices will continue to fetch from distribution: fremantle
Mar 24 11:16:10 <Stskeeps> - Autobuilder will be updated when PR1.2 is released and promotion will
Mar 24 11:16:10 <Stskeeps> only happen to fremantle-1.2
Mar 24 11:16:11 <Stskeeps> This will effectively mean that the 'old' Extras will not get any updates.
Mar 24 11:16:20 <hrw> ~curse badly venomrush for being #@%$@%@ - bug 6933
Mar 24 11:16:21 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, badly venomrush for being #@%$@%@ - bug 6933 !
Mar 24 11:16:21 <Jaffa> D-Iivil: Ah, hang on this is similar to what I wanted to ask X-Fade about: I've promoted something from -testing to Extras this morning and it's not moved anywhere yet
Mar 24 11:16:23 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6933 Alarm times are shown wrong
Mar 24 11:16:27 <Jaffa> http://maemo.org/packages/view/catorise/
Mar 24 11:17:25 <hrw> can someone with a bit of free time look at bug 6933 and check it on device?
Mar 24 11:18:10 <Jaffa> hrw: One bit of information which *may* be relevant is N900 timezone...
Mar 24 11:18:59 <Jaffa> hrw: But "TRIGGER;VALUE=DURATION:-PT1H45M" in the vcs seems fairly clear.
Mar 24 11:19:17 <hrw> exactly
Mar 24 11:21:49 <Jaffa> hrw: What's the date of the event in the ICS? I just imported it and it showed me *no* alarm info at all
Mar 24 11:22:13 <Ken-Young> Stskeeps, I checked a new version of my app (orrery) into Extras-testing last night, but of course I can't promote it to Extras without getting votes and sitting through quaraantine.   Will I be able to promote it to Extras for 1.1, or is it already too late for that?
Mar 24 11:22:50 <Stskeeps> no idea, ask X-Fade
Mar 24 11:22:55 <D-Iivil> So at the moment it's not worth to upload anything to extras devel?
Mar 24 11:23:01 <hrw> Jaffa: have to check it
Mar 24 11:23:13 <Jaffa> hrw: found it - 2010-01-15
Mar 24 11:25:28 <hrw> shit. in PR1.2 calendar I cannot find 'import'
Mar 24 11:25:48 <X-Fade> Ken-Young: You are just in time if you hit promote now ;)
Mar 24 11:26:29 <X-Fade> D-Iivil: Sure it is.
Mar 24 11:26:56 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Which package?
Mar 24 11:27:26 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Catorise. 0.7.4 in Extras; promoted 0.8.0 from -Testing this morning, but repo hasn't changed (and so neither has /downloads/)
Mar 24 11:28:04 <D-Iivil> X-Fade: But packages aren't going to be imported to the pool at the moment?
Mar 24 11:28:09 <Ken-Young> X-Fade, THanks - I hit promote last night, so it went from Devel to Testing, but of course I can't promote out of Testing until I go through QA and quarantine.
Mar 24 11:28:31 <X-Fade> Ken-Young: That doesn't matter. Time of entry matters.
Mar 24 11:28:48 <X-Fade> D-Iivil: They should. Nothing changed there.
Mar 24 11:29:20 <Ken-Young> X-Fade, Good.   I've got some bug fixes in the new version, and I'd hate to have the 1.1 Extras version frozen with bugs.
Mar 24 11:29:22 <D-Iivil> X-Fade: can you check what's wrong with these packages: d-theme-bright-blue, d-theme-bright-green, d-theme-bright-orange, d-theme-bright-pink
Mar 24 11:29:34 <X-Fade> Ah, wait something is holding up the queue.
Mar 24 11:29:36 <D-Iivil> They got built just fine, but won't appear on extras-devel pool.
Mar 24 11:30:07 <X-Fade> python-beautifulsoup promotion fails.
Mar 24 11:30:47 <pupnik> http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7345/1.html  NILFS filesystem for solid state drives.  logs, versions, rollbackss
Mar 24 11:31:07 <hrw> Jaffa: looks like I need to create test event for 2015 so it will be still ok before nokia decided to fix
Mar 24 11:31:22 <X-Fade> Hmm again an app which has different version number on the filename from the one in control file.
Mar 24 11:32:59 <Jaffa> hrw: ;-)
Mar 24 11:33:33 <D-Iivil> Btw does someone know if can update my SDK to 1.2 somehow easily?
Mar 24 11:33:52 <D-Iivil> Would be nice to test out what needs to be changes with themes for PR1.2
Mar 24 11:33:57 <Jaffa> D-Iivil: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade works according to the release notes
Mar 24 11:33:58 <hrw> D-Iivil: apt-get update/upgrade
Mar 24 11:34:06 <Jaffa> D-Iivil: Obviously, they need to be fakeroot'ed.
Mar 24 11:34:07 <Sampppa_> with fakeroot
Mar 24 11:34:09 <D-Iivil> Shall give it a try :)
Mar 24 11:34:25 * Jaffa did it this morning and Catorise doesn't die horribly with the new menu-reordering code
Mar 24 11:34:43 <X-Fade> Jaffa: No, I've been using it for a while. Works fine.
Mar 24 11:34:47 <Stskeeps> D-Iivil: i will need to upgrade the theme template on gitorious, i may have time tonight for doing it
Mar 24 11:34:47 <Chikulinu__> does PR1.2 released?
Mar 24 11:34:54 <Jaffa> Chikulinu__: SDK is.
Mar 24 11:35:06 * Jaffa wonders if anyone's taken the ARMEL packages from the SDK and run them on device yet ;-)
Mar 24 11:35:21 <Sampppa_> i guess some people did already :)
Mar 24 11:35:27 <nidO> MohammedAG tried at least
Mar 24 11:35:27 <D-Iivil> Oh.. what file did I have to edit inside scratchbox to manually enter new network settings (ip, gateway etc)?
Mar 24 11:35:37 <hrw> Jaffa: I did - had to reflash
Mar 24 11:35:45 <Chikulinu__> about the flash file?
Mar 24 11:35:52 <D-Iivil> We got new router today and gateway changed and my scratchbox won't go online anymore :P
Mar 24 11:36:00 <Chikulinu__> I want to reflash my n900
Mar 24 11:36:07 <Stskeeps>  /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf , D-Iivil
Mar 24 11:36:14 <D-Iivil> Stskeeps, thanks!
Mar 24 11:36:17 <X-Fade> Jaffa: catorise got through now.
Mar 24 11:36:24 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Cool, ta
Mar 24 11:36:36 <hrw> Jaffa: catorise 0.8.0 breaks pr1.2 sdk
Mar 24 11:36:41 <Jaffa> hrw: Not IME
Mar 24 11:36:58 <Jaffa> hrw: I tested this morning, reproduction instructions welcome on https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Catorise ;-)
Mar 24 11:37:16 <hrw> Jaffa: so far I just removed it from sdk - no time for more tests now
Mar 24 11:37:19 <Jaffa> X-Fade: How long does it take for /downloads/ to get updated from the repo?
Mar 24 11:37:27 <Jaffa> hrw: Can you define "break" a bit more then?
Mar 24 11:37:28 <nidO> X-Fade: any idea what happened to libmikmod2, there's a bit of mud slinging going on in the gltron qa comments about it
Mar 24 11:37:38 <Jaffa> hrw: I didn't have Catorise installed before upgrading...
Mar 24 11:37:47 <X-Fade> Jaffa: up to 2x 30 mins.
Mar 24 11:38:03 <hrw> Jaffa: press tasks to get to list of categories, select 'all'
Mar 24 11:38:08 <X-Fade> nidO: libmikmod2 is violating the packaging policy.
Mar 24 11:38:29 <X-Fade> nidO: The files are named libmikmod and the control file talks about libmikmod2.
Mar 24 11:38:29 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Right. These lags make releasing software really tedious btw, since updating changelog/screenshots has an indeterminate lag.
Mar 24 11:38:34 <Jaffa> hrw: What happened?
Mar 24 11:38:36 <nidO> ah
Mar 24 11:38:41 <hrw> Jaffa: hildon-desktop crashed
Mar 24 11:38:54 * hrw wants maemo to use lintian...
Mar 24 11:39:15 <Chikulinu__> the PR1.2 .bin file will enabled to download after or as time PR1.2 wil be released?
Mar 24 11:39:20 <Jaffa> hrw: Ah.
Mar 24 11:39:31 <hrw> ~curse nokia so called developers
Mar 24 11:39:31 <Jaffa> hrw: What apps have you got installed in the SDK?
Mar 24 11:39:32 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nokia so called developers !
Mar 24 11:39:45 <hrw> Jaffa: different, strange etc ones
Mar 24 11:39:51 <hrw> Jaffa: will pastebin dpkg -l
Mar 24 11:39:55 <Jaffa> hrw: ta
Mar 24 11:40:03 <X-Fade> Jaffa: There isn't much I can do, the package has to be visible to the world first.
Mar 24 11:40:21 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Otherwise people will try to download the app and get an older version.
Mar 24 11:40:37 <Shapeshifter> mh. has someone developed a desktop widget using python qt bindings before? I see an example qt desktop widget with some stuff in C++ needed to run it. are there even bindings for that stuff?
Mar 24 11:40:51 <hrw> Jaffa: http://hrw.pastebin.com/Pbdju0Zq
Mar 24 11:41:41 <Jaffa> hrw: ta
Mar 24 11:41:42 <X-Fade> quick lunch before switching sdk on builder.
Mar 24 11:42:26 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Indeed, but one could imagine stuff happening not in a background, scheduled, 30-mins process ;-)
Mar 24 11:48:17 <hrw> Jaffa: bug 6933 updated - can you check and confirm?
Mar 24 11:48:18 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6933 Alarm times are shown wrong
Mar 24 11:48:48 <Jaffa> hrw: Will do
Mar 24 11:48:52 <hrw> thx
Mar 24 11:50:05 <hrw> 15th January 2015 - nokia maemo5 calendar will still be affected by #6933 and I will have to dig in drawer of obsoleted devices just to update example event
Mar 24 11:51:47 <D-Iivil> Anyone knows how can I pop out the virtual keyboard on SDK PR1.2?
Mar 24 11:52:23 <Jaffa> hrw: Confirmed.
Mar 24 11:52:23 <D-Iivil> Nevermind, found the settings :)
Mar 24 11:53:48 <hrw> gracias Jaffa
Mar 24 11:54:29 <Jaffa> hrw: np
Mar 24 11:54:38 * Jaffa is in touting-for-votes mode ;-)
Mar 24 11:56:12 <hrw> Jaffa: votes where?
Mar 24 11:56:13 <N900evil> with your delicious cakes?
Mar 24 11:56:57 <D-Iivil> Some spammer has made it to talk.maemo.org: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=580093#post580093
Mar 24 12:02:45 <D-Iivil> X-Fade: ping
Mar 24 12:04:20 <Jaffa> hrw: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q1_2010
Mar 24 12:06:05 <hrw> Jaffa: already voted
Mar 24 12:06:25 <hrw> Jaffa: you were one of 3 people for which I voted
Mar 24 12:07:39 * Stskeeps votes
Mar 24 12:07:58 <X-Fade> D-Iivil: pong
Mar 24 12:08:11 <D-Iivil> X-Fade: did you get that extras-devel queue sorted out?
Mar 24 12:09:15 <Jaffa> hrw: ta :)
Mar 24 12:10:30 * Stskeeps has no idea what he has done to his Boxee but is pretty satisfied that it mutes the sound on hulu advertisements
Mar 24 12:12:14 <Arif_> adblock? :D
Mar 24 12:14:06 <X-Fade> D-Iivil: Should be ok now.
Mar 24 12:14:19 <D-Iivil> X-Fade: so it seems, thanks :)
Mar 24 12:18:40 <odin_> whois is tri@bcs.org.uk and what is his/her role ?
Mar 24 12:20:34 <hrw> good question
Mar 24 12:22:15 <hrw> ~seen venomrush
Mar 24 12:22:17 <infobot> venomrush <~opera@188-221-102-245.zone12.bethere.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 14d 13h 20m 53s ago, saying: 'to select the other mode'.
Mar 24 12:23:48 <Arif_> D-Iivil, are you the one making those livilsteel themes?
Mar 24 12:25:13 <D-Iivil> Arit_ yes
Mar 24 12:25:23 <X-Fade> Ok, builder switched to PR1.2 SDK.
Mar 24 12:26:03 <hrw> now half year for pr1.2 on devices
Mar 24 12:26:45 <X-Fade> Nah, it won't be that long.
Mar 24 12:27:45 * D-Iivil just voted :) Now it's a cigarette time!
Mar 24 12:27:47 <hrw> no one knows
Mar 24 12:29:21 <hrw> X-Fade: and do not say 'next week' - konttori told that 2 months ago
Mar 24 12:30:04 <lcuk> whats the subject of the voting open email for the election
Mar 24 12:30:06 <X-Fade> The only thing I can say is that SDK and firmware image versions tend to match, draw conclusions from that ;)
Mar 24 12:30:24 <odin_> is there a good 2 months round up on the state of Maemo ?
Mar 24 12:30:40 <hrw> lcuk: Maemo Community Council election Q1 2010
Mar 24 12:30:42 <Arif_> D-Iivil, cool..I really like those themes :D
Mar 24 12:31:30 <lcuk> thanks hrw
Mar 24 12:31:43 <lcuk> the title on the actual page that requests the token is slightly different
Mar 24 12:31:48 <lcuk> "elections"
Mar 24 12:31:48 <D-Iivil> Arif_: :) I though you were gonna give some bad feedback :D Glad you like 'em.
Mar 24 12:31:54 <lcuk> and gmail didnt find it \@
Mar 24 12:32:21 <Arif_> D-Iivil, I don't ALWAYS complain.....just mostly :P
Mar 24 12:32:26 <tybollt> ~seen infobot
Mar 24 12:32:27 <infobot> tybollt: i haven't seen 'infobot'
Mar 24 12:32:32 <D-Iivil> Arif_: good attitude ;)
Mar 24 12:34:48 * RST38h moos evilly
Mar 24 12:35:04 <RST38h> X-Fade: Judging from the SDK screenshots there have not been many visible changes...True?
Mar 24 12:35:16 * Arif_ throws milk at RST38h
Mar 24 12:35:35 <hrw> RST38h: yep
Mar 24 12:35:40 <X-Fade> RST38h: No comment ;)
Mar 24 12:36:21 <rmrfchik> as new sdk5 came out, i downloaded vmdk. And know what? It's the same old sdk. damn, 1.6 gig of crap.
Mar 24 12:36:27 * Arif_ already has an enhancement bug report when pr1.2 comes out :D
Mar 24 12:36:38 <RST38h> X-Fade: At least tell me if the device still lights up when you plug it into the charger
Mar 24 12:36:41 <D-Iivil> rmrfchik: run apt-get update / upgrade
Mar 24 12:36:46 <RST38h> (which is damn annoying)
Mar 24 12:36:46 <D-Iivil> inside the scratchbox
Mar 24 12:36:48 * rmrfchik full of enchancements
Mar 24 12:36:58 <MiXu-> RST38h: Why is it annoying?
Mar 24 12:37:16 <D-Iivil> rmrfchik: with fakeroot first
Mar 24 12:37:19 <RST38h> MiXu: Because when I have the device locked (with the switch) I expect it to REMAIN locked.
Mar 24 12:37:26 <MiXu-> oh, that
Mar 24 12:37:37 <RST38h> MiXu: It should not unlock on its own when plugged in
Mar 24 12:37:45 <MiXu-> true
Mar 24 12:37:50 <X-Fade> RST38h: unlocks
Mar 24 12:38:00 <RST38h> X-Fade: <sigh> :(
Mar 24 12:38:06 <Arif_> it does
Mar 24 12:38:11 <Arif_> :D
Mar 24 12:38:26 <Arif_> apparently they haven't done anything to the media player ={
Mar 24 12:38:45 <MiXu-> What's wrong with the Media Player? :D
Mar 24 12:38:49 <nidO> the upnp bug is apparently sorted, thats by *far* the biggest one for me
Mar 24 12:38:56 <X-Fade> Arif_: How would you know?
Mar 24 12:39:01 <D-Iivil> Don't really like the new virtual keyboard layout, but it's nice not to need skin the vkeyboard anymore since it seems to use stylus button style :)
Mar 24 12:39:04 <RST38h> MiXu: Is there something that is RIGHT about it?
Mar 24 12:39:26 <Arif_> X-Fade, MohammadAG's thread?
Mar 24 12:39:30 <RST38h> Arif: Well they should have at least enabled the "Remove from playlist" option in the context menu
Mar 24 12:39:40 <RST38h> Arif: If it is still not there.... mhm
Mar 24 12:39:41 <MiXu-> I've been fooling around with it so long that maybe I'm blinded by it already
Mar 24 12:39:51 <X-Fade> Arif_: Mediaplayer is not in SDK?
Mar 24 12:39:55 <RST38h> MiXu: Try removing a song from the playlist.
Mar 24 12:40:04 <RST38h> MiXu: ONCE song
Mar 24 12:40:04 <Arif_> X-Fade, no? I didn't know that
Mar 24 12:40:06 <RST38h> One
Mar 24 12:40:07 <MiXu-> I don't use playlists :)
Mar 24 12:40:12 * Arif_ gets hope again :)
Mar 24 12:40:22 <RST38h> MiXu: Try playing a random file (as opposed to whatever Tracker lets you play)
Mar 24 12:40:41 * Arif_ wants a "search" button in the top menu
Mar 24 12:40:42 <RST38h> MiXu: try invoking the UI while watching a long (>15min) video
Mar 24 12:41:02 <RST38h> MiXU: Try using the desktop media player applet, see if it works after a few days of uptime
Mar 24 12:41:22 <MiXu-> none of the desktop things work after a few days :)
Mar 24 12:41:23 <RST38h> Funny thing is, I can actually continue with these =)
Mar 24 12:41:32 <hrw> try to play album in normal (not random) order
Mar 24 12:41:34 <hrw> etc etc etc
Mar 24 12:41:38 <MiXu-> Even the shortcuts don't work. Or at least there's a horrible latency.
Mar 24 12:41:47 <Arif_> try repeating one item
Mar 24 12:41:49 <Arif_> =D
Mar 24 12:41:56 <MiXu-> Why would i want to :)
Mar 24 12:42:13 <Arif_> no idea =D
Mar 24 12:42:23 <Arif_> oh and you can't send anything in the media player either
Mar 24 12:42:30 <hrw> because chick which lies with you in bed asked you for it?
Mar 24 12:42:48 <MiXu-> hrw: Then I can just replay it manually :)
Mar 24 12:43:10 <MiXu-> If it's a 3 minute song, it'll be long enough. ;)
Mar 24 12:43:15 <hrw> and agan and again?
Mar 24 12:43:26 <hrw> easier to select one song to play in repeat
Mar 24 12:43:30 * hrw -> food
Mar 24 12:47:39 <rmrfchik> hmm, how to open virtual keyboard in "emulator"?
Mar 24 12:48:22 <D-Iivil> rmrfchik: you first need to go to settings and enable it.
Mar 24 12:48:35 <D-Iivil> I was wondering the same thing earlier :)
Mar 24 12:48:45 <rmrfchik> I have only app manager
Mar 24 12:49:03 <D-Iivil> rmrfchik: open menu, then settings and so on.
Mar 24 12:49:46 <rmrfchik> hmm... no network settings
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 24 21:08:15 2010
Mar 24 21:08:33 <nidO> how about just delete your mobile internet apn?
Mar 24 21:08:41 <MarcusM> I mean the web network etc :P All the expensive part (:
Mar 24 21:08:54 <Arif_> get a web only sim :P
Mar 24 21:09:32 <Arif_> I never notice incoming SMS messages
Mar 24 21:09:36 <Arif_> the sound is so quiet....
Mar 24 21:09:37 <dneary> VDVsx, Ping?
Mar 24 21:09:45 <Arif_> and doesn't play when you're listening to music
Mar 24 21:09:48 <MarcusM> I'm being misunderstood (: I want to temporary only allow the n900 to do calls & sms via my sim. No auto-connect to mobile network.
Mar 24 21:09:51 <VDVsx> dneary, pong
Mar 24 21:09:51 <user__> hi
Mar 24 21:10:01 <nidO> just turn auto connect off...
Mar 24 21:10:05 <Arif_> MarcusM, disabled auto connect to internet
Mar 24 21:10:14 <dneary> VDVsx, I don't know if you saw jacktanner's request on "ask the council" - I sent him on to you because the situation is kind of delicate
Mar 24 21:10:15 <Arif_> it'll always ask, though :P
Mar 24 21:10:18 <MarcusM> nid0: I do not have a n900 yet, so I wouldn't be able to mess with that yet ;)
Mar 24 21:10:21 <asj_> LuciusMare: the alarm server can turn on the phone if you ask it to.  So if you have an alarm set like "time to get dressed" the phone can turn on and give you the alarm
Mar 24 21:10:22 <MarcusM> Arif_: Ah, god.
Mar 24 21:10:23 <MarcusM> good
Mar 24 21:10:34 <Arif_> but that really annoyed me after 10 minutes
Mar 24 21:10:35 <ptl> Shapeshifter: I misunderstood it, when you said it turned the device on I thought that you meant that it was really off -- powered off, not screen-off.
Mar 24 21:10:47 <Arif_> now to implement auto disconnect and Nokia's done
Mar 24 21:10:48 <dneary> He missed the account creation date window by 2 weeks for election eligibility, but he's been doing stuff in Maemoi since Christmas.
Mar 24 21:10:55 <dneary> It's a grey zone
Mar 24 21:10:56 <Shapeshifter> ptl: yeah, "really off".
Mar 24 21:11:10 <user__> i'm on n900 with xchat, what i can do to view the user list? sorry for my english i'm italian.
Mar 24 21:11:12 <Shapeshifter> ptl: btw, cpython is "the" python. the usual python interpreter everyone uses.
Mar 24 21:11:25 <ptl> Shapeshifter: oh
Mar 24 21:11:25 <Shapeshifter> ptl: if you run python, you run cpython (in almost every case).
Mar 24 21:11:29 <ptl> ok
Mar 24 21:11:34 <dneary> So I told him he's not eligible according to the rules, but perhaps you might allow him to vote based on his activity
Mar 24 21:11:38 <ptl> instead of jython, is it?
Mar 24 21:11:42 <VDVsx> dneary, no, I'm with limited Internet these days(mobile only), only saw some mails and I'm attending the meeting now
Mar 24 21:12:20 <dneary> I'm easy either way, but since the rules were established to prevent ballot-stuffing, and this is clearly not ballot stuffing, I'd personally (if the decision were mine) tend towards including him
Mar 24 21:12:26 <ptl> Shapeshifter: there is no way to turn the device on if no software is running... it's powered off! That's what I understood...
Mar 24 21:12:34 <VDVsx> dneary, don't know nothing about him or his activities, but fine by me
Mar 24 21:12:34 <Shapeshifter> ptl: python is just a language, so there are some other interpreters but they're slower and have less features. cpython is the usual one. yeah jython is also another interpreter
Mar 24 21:12:39 <dneary> VDVsx, It's in the "Ask the council" thread on Talk that he made the request
Mar 24 21:12:51 <Shapeshifter> ptl: no, there's something in the "BIOS" so to speak that can turn the device on
Mar 24 21:13:02 <Shapeshifter> only taking out the battery will completely make it dead
Mar 24 21:13:06 <ptl> Shapeshifter: at a given, programmed time?
Mar 24 21:13:13 <Shapeshifter> ptl: yeah.
Mar 24 21:13:21 <ptl> hmmm, wow. How to do this?
Mar 24 21:13:43 <Shapeshifter> ptl: you can do that with most modern PCs btw in bios. on the n900? well alarmd/libalarm provides that functionality.
Mar 24 21:13:47 <Jaffa> dneary: If we took the "maemo.org" account to mean any account on maemo.org (which we do for talk.maemo.org), then bugs.maemo.org counts similarly, surely?
Mar 24 21:13:51 <nidO> ptl it's worth noting almost all mobile phones since the dawn of time have been able to do this
Mar 24 21:13:54 <nidO> along with all pc's
Mar 24 21:13:55 <VDVsx> dneary, will try to check later, but ok from my side, better send him to council at maemo dot org, if there's need for a more formal clearance
Mar 24 21:13:56 <Jaffa> dneary: AIUI, his bugs.maemo.org account is older
Mar 24 21:14:23 <ptl> nidO: I didn't know that, I've never seen a phone turn on by itself after I have turned it off.
Mar 24 21:14:35 <nidO> in most cases it's just used for the alarms in phones
Mar 24 21:14:36 <jacekowski> ptl: RTC
Mar 24 21:14:37 <Shapeshifter> ptl: until now most of them just did that for alarms
Mar 24 21:14:40 <nidO> set an alarm, turn the phone off
Mar 24 21:14:42 <jacekowski> ptl: in bios settings
Mar 24 21:14:47 <dneary> Jaffa, By 3 weeks, yes
Mar 24 21:14:50 <nidO> time gets reached, phone switches itself on, alarm goes off
Mar 24 21:14:52 <jacekowski> ptl: you can tell it to wake up pc at specified time
Mar 24 21:14:58 <dneary> Jaffa, Which is why it's a grey area :)
Mar 24 21:15:04 <jacekowski> ptl: because pc never shut's down really
Mar 24 21:15:11 <jacekowski> at least not atx pc
Mar 24 21:15:19 <dneary> VDVsx, He chose to do it in the open, on Talk. <shrug>
Mar 24 21:15:31 <Jaffa> dneary: But does his bugs.maemo.org account creation date preceded the deadline? If so, it doesn't seem *very* grey to _me_
Mar 24 21:16:30 <VDVsx> dneary, can't promise anything, but you know my answer now (stupid ISP grrrr)
Mar 24 21:16:54 <MarcusM> ptl: I almost shitted myself when my phone suddenly started alarming while it was turned off. Now I know why. Rofl
Mar 24 21:17:00 <Proteous> heh
Mar 24 21:17:56 <ptl> MarcusM: I've never seen that happen, I'd be alarmed too, I live alone and my cats don't know how to turn on my devices :P
Mar 24 21:18:07 <dneary> Jaffa, Rules is rules
Mar 24 21:18:18 <ptl> VDVsx: you only have to promise PR1.2 gets released now!
Mar 24 21:18:58 <Jaffa> dneary: Indeed, but we parse "maemo.org account" to mean "any account on maemo.org"; including Garage, Talk and - by extension - Bugs. Better to have the discussion than not, of course
Mar 24 21:19:45 <VDVsx> ptl, will be released until the end of the year, my dog promises that :P
Mar 24 21:19:58 * GeneralAntilles is with Jaffa.
Mar 24 21:20:36 <ptl> VDVsx: THIS year?
Mar 24 21:21:06 <VDVsx> ptl, let me ask
Mar 24 21:21:08 <VDVsx> yes
Mar 24 21:21:23 <ptl> well, something's better than nothing
Mar 24 21:21:59 <VDVsx> I'm joking of course, I don't know nothing about that, neither have a dog :P
Mar 24 21:22:19 <ptl> oh :(
Mar 24 21:22:22 <dneary> Jaffa, And by "we" you mean "I"?
Mar 24 21:22:39 <VDVsx> ptl, sorry :P
Mar 24 21:22:45 <dneary> Jaffa, I parse it by "date of account creation in the Midgard dump I get sent when I ask for it"
Mar 24 21:22:50 <VDVsx> ptl, better ask a Nokian about that :P
Mar 24 21:23:14 <dneary> And to figure out more, I need to go digging - spent half an hour looking to see what Mr. Tanner did to get his karma, and when, this morning
Mar 24 21:23:20 <Jaffa> dneary: And by "we" I mean "we, the community, that you do"
Mar 24 21:23:44 <Jaffa> dneary: The last election definitely, explicitly, included tmo accounts cos I worked with Reggie to give you a list of ones which were 3 weeks or older
Mar 24 21:24:22 <ptl> I thought you were a nokian, VDVsx. Indeed, I thought you were "the" nokian, something like a leader.
Mar 24 21:25:29 <VDVsx> ptl, lolol, nop only Maemo Community council member for a few more days ;)
Mar 24 21:26:00 <javispedro> lies!
Mar 24 21:26:21 <javispedro> you're planning a coup detat, evil chairman!
Mar 24 21:26:53 <VDVsx> trip to vegas with the imaginary council money :P
Mar 24 21:27:08 <javispedro> arggh
Mar 24 21:27:49 <dneary> Jaffa, I also included talk accounts this election (got the cut-off date for talk IDs & there were 6 or 7 who had previously existing Talk accounts who made the karma requirement)
Mar 24 21:28:10 <dneary> But for (for example) wikibedia edits or bugzilla bug reports, it's trickier
Mar 24 21:28:28 <dneary> VDVsx, Enjoy your imaginary winnings !
Mar 24 21:28:44 <Jaffa> dneary: Wikipedia edits, to be signed, require a garage account don't they?
Mar 24 21:28:59 <GeneralAntilles> VDVsx: lol.
Mar 24 21:29:03 <Jaffa> s/Wikipedia/wiki/
Mar 24 21:29:03 <infobot> Jaffa meant: dneary: wiki edits, to be signed, require a garage account don't they?
Mar 24 21:29:10 <GeneralAntilles> VDVsx: welcome to the "I thought you were a Nokian" club. :P
Mar 24 21:29:25 <SpeedEvil> Wow. It's amazing how much better sandpapering my touchscreen made it.
Mar 24 21:29:39 <SpeedEvil> (blocks is bad)
Mar 24 21:29:52 <GeneralAntilles> SpeedEvil: SANDPAPER?
Mar 24 21:30:08 <SpeedEvil> (it was 2um sandpaper)
Mar 24 21:30:29 <VDVsx> GeneralAntilles, ehehe, but everybody knows that you're a undercover Nokian :p
Mar 24 21:30:35 <GeneralAntilles> SpeedEvil: texture change?
Mar 24 21:30:37 <SpeedEvil> leaves stuff shiny.
Mar 24 21:31:08 <SpeedEvil> GeneralAntilles, naah - lots of scratches around the block origin point.
Mar 24 21:31:13 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, I see.
Mar 24 21:32:01 <jacekowski> they could have used capacitive touch screen
Mar 24 21:32:05 <jacekowski> with glass
Mar 24 21:32:11 <SpeedEvil> and pockets with sand in.
Mar 24 21:32:13 <jacekowski> much more resilient
Mar 24 21:32:30 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: you are carrying sand in your pockets?
Mar 24 21:32:37 <GeneralAntilles> jacekowski: pfft
Mar 24 21:32:43 <Shapeshifter> jacekowski: pants made of sandpaper
Mar 24 21:32:46 <GeneralAntilles> Much more useless, too.
Mar 24 21:33:03 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski, gardening.
Mar 24 21:33:16 <Shapeshifter> firefox is pretty awesome. but it's extremely lame that it's in ovi.
Mar 24 21:33:21 <dneary> Jaffa, Well spotted
Mar 24 21:33:40 <dneary> The tricky ones are blog karma, bugs activity, talk
Mar 24 21:33:59 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski, http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/ listening to mp3 doing above.
Mar 24 21:34:20 <jacekowski> btw.
Mar 24 21:34:24 <jacekowski> i lost my headphones
Mar 24 21:34:29 <jacekowski> where i can get a replacement?
Mar 24 21:34:33 * SpeedEvil was playing with desktop ff using n900 as display
Mar 24 21:34:42 <SpeedEvil> interesting.
Mar 24 21:35:03 <SpeedEvil> all-in-one gestures.
Mar 24 21:35:54 <GeneralAntilles> Shapeshifter: too lazy to fix their packaging.
Mar 24 21:36:40 <Shapeshifter> GeneralAntilles: well ff generally should fix their whole directory structure and everything
Mar 24 21:36:53 <GeneralAntilles> Emphasis on the everything
Mar 24 21:39:03 <Guest71122> hello. what sw can i use to backup my n900? ovi suite 2 tells me that my n900 is not supported
Mar 24 21:39:28 <nidO> try the backup tool on the device named "Backup" in it's menu
Mar 24 21:39:34 <GeneralAntilles> ^
Mar 24 21:40:44 <ds3> alright... guess I'll try it and see what happens then
Mar 24 21:41:10 <Guest71122> hm.... i've installed a really old version of the pc suite which supports my phone. i cant believe the n900 isn't supported by ovi
Mar 24 21:45:50 <GeneralAntilles> ds3: how was week one with the N900, by the way?
Mar 24 21:47:10 <ds3> GA: mixed... too many apps I couldn't use... short battery life; the pluses are the screen is great... the supplied apps work great with the new UI but they lack features... and I still need to learn about widgets
Mar 24 21:49:02 <GeneralAntilles> ds3: how short of a battery life?
Mar 24 21:51:22 <ds3> GA: barely a day (email only)
Mar 24 21:51:34 <ds3> the N800 did much better with tethering
Mar 24 21:54:07 <GeneralAntilles> ds3: yeah, cellular is rather killer
Mar 24 21:54:18 <GeneralAntilles> ds3: signal strength can be a big one, too
Mar 24 21:54:34 <GeneralAntilles> I get about 10 hours at my parents house thanks to the faraday cage that is plaster and lead paint
Mar 24 21:54:42 <ds3> *nod* I'm in low coverage areas a lot
Mar 24 21:54:43 <GeneralAntilles> and about 16 at my apartment
Mar 24 21:54:56 <GeneralAntilles> ds3: carry a second battery and call it a day, I guess.
Mar 24 21:55:20 <ds3> that or I am thinking of that high cap battery but that turns the N900 into a 1" slab
Mar 24 21:56:07 <Proteous> I turn off 3g when I am not webbrowsing and that drasticly increased the battery life
Mar 24 21:56:20 <ds3> I can probally learn to live with the horrible battery life... it is the apps that is killing me
Mar 24 21:56:37 <GeneralAntilles> ds3: Mugen should be making one.
Mar 24 21:56:39 <ds3> claws is choking more then it should... GarnetVM is choking
Mar 24 21:56:43 <Proteous> there is a nice 2g/3g toggle app for the pop up control menu
Mar 24 21:56:44 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Mar 24 21:56:46 <ds3> GA: that's the one I am looking at
Mar 24 21:57:05 <ds3> Proteous: I have that installed.... it is on my list of things to try
Mar 24 21:57:08 <Shapeshifter> GeneralAntilles: mugen has made one.
Mar 24 21:57:25 <ds3> Shapeshifter: has anyone used it?
Mar 24 21:57:45 <Shapeshifter> ds3: the lady in the presentation video xD
Mar 24 21:57:55 <nidO> some people have bought the battery
Mar 24 21:58:03 <nidO> the back case is horribly designed
Mar 24 21:58:16 <ds3> nid0: in what way?
Mar 24 21:58:55 <nidO> there're no magnets for camera cover or back cover on/off primarily, so various things dont work properly
Mar 24 21:59:03 <nidO> sd card mounting being a biggie
Mar 24 21:59:21 <Proteous> ouch
Mar 24 22:00:06 <ds3> ouch indeed
Mar 24 22:01:55 <ds3> nid0: is there room to put a piece of magnet tape on it?
Mar 24 22:02:15 <nidO> probably. I dont have one, just going on reports from earlier
Mar 24 22:02:27 <Shapeshifter> ds3: there's enough wasted space under that cover to fit a small house under it.
Mar 24 22:02:38 <nidO> that back case is so massive you could probably get the earth's entire magnetic core under it.
Mar 24 22:02:48 <ds3> Shapeshifter: oh... so a even larger battery is possible?
Mar 24 22:03:08 <Shapeshifter> ds3: if you make one?
Mar 24 22:03:26 <nidO> if mugen had utilised all of the space under the cover rather than just a brick the same shape as the original, it'd easily be a 4500mah or so battery
Mar 24 22:03:39 <nidO> and would probably require you drag the device along the floor behind you
Mar 24 22:03:53 <ds3> Hmmm
Mar 24 22:04:38 <atiti> anyone knows where to get the mugen stuff in europe?
Mar 24 22:05:05 <nidO> their site probably, I cannot for the life of me see why anyone would buy one though
Mar 24 22:05:11 <cehteh> just a slightly thicker battery with a back cover that has a flat surface instead the produding lens frame would be nice already
Mar 24 22:05:37 <cehteh> with lens slider and magnet for mounting uSD
Mar 24 22:05:41 <ds3> on a different topic... is there an app that adds basic hand held GPS functionality to the N900? by basic I mean - a button to add a waypoint... a GPS compass, a trail, and direction to a waypoint?
Mar 24 22:05:57 <cehteh> and some people want a better kickstand .. like the n810
Mar 24 22:06:07 <cehteh> mapper
Mar 24 22:06:10 * RST38h wants a shocker
Mar 24 22:06:18 <ds3> something lighter then mapper
Mar 24 22:06:25 <RST38h> ds3: Maep
Mar 24 22:06:33 <ds3> something along the lines of an early hand held GPS
Mar 24 22:06:36 <cehteh> maep doesnt let one make waypoints
Mar 24 22:07:01 <ds3> making waypoints in mapper is painful
Mar 24 22:07:13 <cehteh> well impossible in maep
Mar 24 22:07:24 <cehteh> mapper is slow like molasses too
Mar 24 22:07:29 * DocScrutinizer shocks RST38h with his patented eletric watergun
Mar 24 22:07:32 <cehteh> eats a lot cpu/battery
Mar 24 22:07:43 <crashanddie> ~ping
Mar 24 22:07:44 <infobot> ~pong
Mar 24 22:07:48 <ds3> for road use with a local power source, mapper works...much better then Map
Mar 24 22:07:59 <ds3> but I want something that is simple and usable for hiking
Mar 24 22:08:16 <cehteh> yes, nothing but maep or mapper
Mar 24 22:08:18 <ds3> ideally, it'd also run in portrait mode but that migt just be too much to ask for
Mar 24 22:08:53 * cehteh hopes mapper improves over time
Mar 24 22:08:57 <cehteh> its on the right way
Mar 24 22:09:20 <cehteh> maybe anyone tries to port viking to maemo5 .. i like it
Mar 24 22:09:29 <ds3> other then power and lack of a simple way to make waypoints, I love mapper
Mar 24 22:10:17 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: wirelss taser ;-P
Mar 24 22:10:41 <cehteh> my screen protector got a scratch today .. good to have it
Mar 24 22:12:35 <crashanddie> What is mapper written in?
Mar 24 22:12:40 <crashanddie> C/GTK?
Mar 24 22:12:42 <DocScrutinizer> cehteh: screen protector is like my oma's sofa blanket. It protects the sofa from getting dirty, so nothing spoils the always hidden splended sight
Mar 24 22:13:29 <DocScrutinizer> the blanket is ugly like hell, but hey, there's a nice sofa under that
Mar 24 22:13:45 <nidO> I bet she paid extra for the nice upholstry too
Mar 24 22:14:17 <GAN9001> DocScrutinizer, eh, not with a good quality one.
Mar 24 22:15:39 <DocScrutinizer> GAN9001: you got the prototype of next N-series?
Mar 24 22:15:44 <cehteh> i have a anti-glare one .. makes it quite useable in the sun
Mar 24 22:16:10 <ds3> GPSjinni looks close to what I want if it only did some tracking/waypoints
Mar 24 22:16:25 <DocScrutinizer> Now we know it's called N9001 ;-P
Mar 24 22:16:38 <SpeedEvil> osm2go
Mar 24 22:16:44 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, still waiting for my Boxwave protector, though. :(
Mar 24 22:16:47 <SpeedEvil> but probably too heavy
Mar 24 22:16:56 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, lies, all lies!
Mar 24 22:17:01 <ds3> SpeedEvil: yes, have that installed already
Mar 24 22:17:02 <cehteh> osmtogo is a editor for small areas its not useable for hiking
Mar 24 22:18:23 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, osm.to - need to check that, sounds good
Mar 24 22:19:09 <DocScrutinizer> tangoGPS?
Mar 24 22:19:09 <cehteh> i miss some functionality from ma old gps .. distance to the next waypoint, estimated arrival time and so on
Mar 24 22:20:17 <Ken-Young> cehteh, Is anyone working on an N900 Garmin emulator"?
Mar 24 22:20:41 <Shapeshifter> Ken-Young: navit is supposed to support garmin maps
Mar 24 22:20:46 <cehteh> whats a garmin emulator?
Mar 24 22:20:55 <pupnik_> i cant get joystick working in VIcE
Mar 24 22:20:57 <cehteh> ah .. well i dont know
Mar 24 22:21:02 <ptl> it the navit that comes with the N900 compiled with that option?
Mar 24 22:21:05 <cehteh> bbl
Mar 24 22:21:11 <Ken-Young> cehteh, I just meant something that acts like one of the old Garmin GPS units.
Mar 24 22:21:21 <Shapeshifter> ptl: I'm not sure
Mar 24 22:21:40 <ptl> I'd try if it weren't such a pain in the ass to install maps in navit
Mar 24 22:21:59 <Shapeshifter> ptl: huh. you just wget the map and edit a file
Mar 24 22:22:17 <ptl> garmin maps aren't free, are they?
Mar 24 22:22:20 <ptl> wget?
Mar 24 22:22:43 <Shapeshifter> ptl: oh well, the garmin maps are a different story. but the open streemap ones are excellent for my area
Mar 24 22:23:17 <ptl> they are bad for my area :(
Mar 24 22:23:19 <Shapeshifter> ptl: so you don't know the pleasures of using the command line :) nevermind. (wget is a tool to download stuff / make http requests)
Mar 24 22:23:26 <ptl> I could try and edit the maps for my neighborhood
Mar 24 22:23:39 <ptl> but when I needed to go to a new place, I'd be stranded
Mar 24 22:23:47 <ptl> I know wget
Mar 24 22:24:17 <ptl> I know very well the pleasures of the command line indeed... even taught shell classes
Mar 24 22:24:25 <ptl> I just found it strange to wget garmin maps
Mar 24 22:28:07 <Shapeshifter> ptl: ohhh xD
Mar 24 22:28:09 <Shapeshifter> sorry then.
Mar 24 22:29:38 <Funnyface> hmm browserd is hogging 100% of my CPU
Mar 24 22:29:47 <Funnyface> or was..
Mar 24 22:30:03 <Funnyface> I guess that's why my battery died in a few hours today
Mar 24 22:30:50 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: now that we have those intl OSS celebrities a ping away, don't you think we could get somewhat better more open docs about the modem?
Mar 24 22:37:04 <aep> any idea how i can install a different font on the n900? the default one lacks half unicode
Mar 24 22:40:55 <pupnik> CERN energy to ramp up to record levels march 30.  make your peace with God now ;)
Mar 24 22:42:02 <nidO> "record levels" is a bit defunct though seeing as every time they turn the thing on it's at record levels, theyre just going to exceed their own record level even more :p
Mar 24 22:42:33 <crashanddie> pupnik: God can suck my c...
Mar 24 22:44:02 <cehteh> .. my favorite theme .. imagine the LHC creates a black hole which sucks the earth into it ...
Mar 24 22:44:13 <cehteh> the poor guys at the ISS :)
Mar 24 22:44:22 <pupnik> hahaha
Mar 24 22:44:25 <jacekowski> they would be sucked in as well
Mar 24 22:44:51 <Shapeshifter> "who turned off the earth"?
Mar 24 22:44:53 <cehteh> nah a physicist explained me they will be grilled in radiation
Mar 24 22:45:17 <Shapeshifter> good thing that wont happen
Mar 24 22:45:19 <nidO> theyd follow the earth right into the black hole
Mar 24 22:45:27 <cehteh> but still ... funny thing for a novel ... you look out of the iss window and find yourself orbiting a black hole :)
Mar 24 22:45:30 <nidO> radiation would get them if they stayed where they are, but they wouldnt
Mar 24 22:45:42 <jacekowski> cehteh: they woule be sucked in
Mar 24 22:45:57 <jacekowski> cehteh: maybe if they would be couple million kilometers away
Mar 24 22:46:01 <Kegetys> if the earth would turn into a black hole, it would still have the same mass so why would the ISS orbit change in any way?
Mar 24 22:46:18 <cehteh> well a black hole can not have stronger gravity than earth .. and it has a much smaller diameter, i tinhk they will rather be catapulted into space
Mar 24 22:46:47 <jacekowski> well
Mar 24 22:46:51 <dmj726_n9001> diameter doesn't matter
Mar 24 22:46:53 <jacekowski> you might be right
Mar 24 22:47:00 <cehteh> besides that what the physicist told me that a lot mass is turned into radiation and ejected
Mar 24 22:47:03 <dmj726_n9001> they would just keeporbiting
Mar 24 22:47:04 <Shapeshifter> afaik, dmj726_n9001 is right.
Mar 24 22:47:24 <Shapeshifter> in any case, that wont happen.
Mar 24 22:47:27 <Kegetys> and, even if a black hole would be created, why would the earth get sucked into it
Mar 24 22:47:31 <dmj726_n9001> ...the radiation might be an issue though.
Mar 24 22:47:37 <cehteh> and if it happens we dont care right? :)
Mar 24 22:48:01 <Shapeshifter> if it did happen, which it will not, we wouldn't care, that's right.
Mar 24 22:48:03 <Kegetys> the black hole would have the same mass, and therefore the same gravity as the particles that formed it
Mar 24 22:48:14 <dmj726_n9001> though even without the radiation the people on the iss would starve eventually.
Mar 24 22:49:30 <Kegetys> the earth's magnetic field provides protection from the interstellar radiation though and I guess that would be gone which would be bad for the ISS people
Mar 24 22:49:38 <cehteh> another theme: seti receives a broadcasts of some foreign civilization 4 lightyears ago which are similar to ours .. turning on a lhc like experiment little earlier ... we do too .. and then discover some day that there is a black hole where their messages came from :)
Mar 24 22:49:48 <dmj726_n9001> so it's just a matter of how long it takes to die and how painful it is.
Mar 24 22:50:25 <Shapeshifter> lol 4 lightyears
Mar 24 22:50:49 <cehteh> closest stars are about 4 lightyears away .. but well say 12
Mar 24 22:50:51 <dmj726_n9001> they're from alpha centauri
Mar 24 22:52:16 <cehteh> dmj726_n9001: if the earth collapses into a black hole it would be exponential in speed, when you notice you are already varporized
Mar 24 22:52:53 * javispedro tries to guess the topic... vi vs emacs?
Mar 24 22:52:59 <cehteh> without hawking radiation the first grow of a black hole might take thousands of years, unnoticed
Mar 24 22:53:44 <cehteh> there are already some theories that the core of the earth may already catched such micro black holes (no i dont believe them)
Mar 24 22:54:51 <Shapeshifter> I believe, micro black holes are the cause of random n900 reboots.
Mar 24 22:55:05 <cehteh> the chances that such a sub-particle sized black hole catches another particle and grow are very very small .. but each time it does it gets a slightly better chance to catch the next one
Mar 24 22:55:10 <Shapeshifter> also, nokia is to blame for that.
Mar 24 22:55:21 <cehteh> possibly :)
Mar 24 22:55:30 <cehteh> well my new device doesnt have the reboot problem
Mar 24 22:55:34 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: nope, actually ISS would simply continue to orbit the singularity
Mar 24 22:56:03 <cehteh> my first one from december had that .. i'D urge anyone who sees even a random reboot once a week to get a exchange
Mar 24 22:56:22 <cehteh> DocScrutinizer: well .. apart the radiation thing ...
Mar 24 22:57:01 <Shapeshifter> Well I don't know how these super small black holes should work anyway (because they don't, they can't even form, and if they would for some strange reason, they'd disintegrate immediately); like, the smalles known black hole to man is roughly 3.8 times the mass of our sun.
Mar 24 22:57:10 <DocScrutinizer> yup, actually I replied during reading the backscroll - stupid
Mar 24 22:57:21 <Shapeshifter> a black hole with only the mass of earth, or even just the mass of some particles in a collider...
Mar 24 22:57:55 <DocScrutinizer> would desintegrate in nanoseconds
Mar 24 22:58:00 <DocScrutinizer> exactly
Mar 24 22:58:32 <cehteh> yeah i saied imagine they wont desintegrate ..
Mar 24 22:58:52 <Shapeshifter> it's just sad that people can be intimidated like this
Mar 24 22:58:54 <cehteh> well nothing to care about .. in either way
Mar 24 22:59:50 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer, assuming hawking radiation correctly describes black holes.
Mar 24 23:00:07 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Mar 24 23:00:14 <SpeedEvil> however - natural collisions of similar energy...
Mar 24 23:00:44 <SpeedEvil> Trivia: A 600 ton black hole evaporates in one second.
Mar 24 23:01:19 <DocScrutinizer> but we have no better explanation for the fact there are actually so *few* of them, despite the fact there's cosmic particles far beyond the energy Cern LHC ever can reach
Mar 24 23:02:32 <DocScrutinizer> yeah you've been faster on typing "natural collisions" ;-P
Mar 24 23:03:18 <SpeedEvil> I've been using n900 most of today.
Mar 24 23:03:43 <cehteh> really nothing to worry .. we have the technology to erradiate mankind since 65 years now without much doubt .. the LHC should be our least concern anyways
Mar 24 23:03:45 <SpeedEvil> As I'm backing up my laptop hd prior to RMA.
Mar 24 23:04:05 <SpeedEvil> And mhy typing is getting a bit faster .
Mar 24 23:04:15 <DocScrutinizer51> and I'm going to use it now, in the pub with a nice beer in front of me ;-D
Mar 24 23:09:38 <Jef91> is there a way I can have my easy debian use a different window manager other than lxde?
Mar 24 23:19:38 * noobmonk3y screams loudly
Mar 24 23:20:46 <javispedro> sshhhtt
Mar 24 23:22:20 * noobmonk3y sshhh's
Mar 24 23:24:49 <lcuk> its oh so quiet
Mar 24 23:24:50 <Dyresen> Can I expect to be able to flash my N900 and run meego next week? :)
Mar 24 23:25:30 <C-S-B-N900> probably not, but someone will port.
Mar 24 23:25:44 <noobmonk3y> next week, lol
Mar 24 23:25:47 * noobmonk3y chuckles
Mar 24 23:25:53 <nidO> probably* but dont expect an even remotely working or usable phone
Mar 24 23:26:31 <javispedro> but why not? one of the meego gods told us he used meego daily!!! :'( ;)
Mar 24 23:26:42 <Dyresen> Ok, so no official support of meego for N900?
Mar 24 23:26:52 <C-S-B-N900> not yet
Mar 24 23:26:58 <C-S-B-N900> if ever
Mar 24 23:27:08 <C-S-B-N900> but community will fill in gap
Mar 24 23:27:09 <nidO> well next week is the very first early development release, so in a word, lolno.
Mar 24 23:27:21 <Dyresen> Ok, gues it's bye bye Nokia for me then.
Mar 24 23:27:25 <noobmonk3y> Dyresen? ... when did they announce meego?
Mar 24 23:27:45 <javispedro> more importantly.
Mar 24 23:27:48 <GAN900> javispedro, never did get a real answer to what, exactly, that meant.
Mar 24 23:27:49 <javispedro> why do you want MeeGo?
Mar 24 23:28:02 * noobmonk3y chuckles again
Mar 24 23:28:02 <trip0> if the n900 won't run meego 5.0, i'm not interested
Mar 24 23:28:12 <nidO> its "bye nokia" because the very first development meego release that isnt in any way whatsoever intended or ready for production use on anything, wont be on your n900?
Mar 24 23:28:12 * noobmonk3y chuckles some more
Mar 24 23:28:16 <C-S-B-N900> because the grass is ALWAYSING greener
Mar 24 23:28:29 <trip0> i wouldn't want the first meego on my n900
Mar 24 23:29:00 <nidO> nor would I other than to hack about with when im having a quiet day at work then reflash in the afternoon, im happy with a phone I can use.
Mar 24 23:29:14 <trip0> not until it's a stable platform anyway.  and my that time, I will have dropped my n900 in the toilet or my kid will have eaten it
Mar 24 23:29:38 <trip0> s/my/by*
Mar 24 23:29:43 <Dyresen> nidO: No but it will be bye bye if they don't support N900.
Mar 24 23:29:55 <javispedro> GAN900: yeah :( my guess: "only some components of fremantle replace with meego's"
Mar 24 23:30:02 <javispedro> *replaced
Mar 24 23:30:26 <javispedro> Dyresen: why do you want MeeGo?
Mar 24 23:30:33 <trip0> i think we know that the n900 will be a dev platform for meego
Mar 24 23:30:42 <noobmonk3y> Dyresen - why do you want meego so much?
Mar 24 23:30:48 <noobmonk3y> doh: ditto to javis
Mar 24 23:31:26 <C-S-B-N900> hey doc
Mar 24 23:31:42 <nidO> more to the point, why do you want meego *right the hell now*? even when it does start hitting the shelves on devices, what makes you think it's going to be any better than maemo 6 months down the line will be, or have a greater app availability?
Mar 24 23:31:42 <DocScrutinizer51> hey
Mar 24 23:31:43 <pupnik> irssi on n900 has an exploit
Mar 24 23:31:49 <C-S-B-N900> o rly
Mar 24 23:31:58 <C-S-B-N900> more info?
Mar 24 23:32:01 <javispedro> quick, dispatch the maemo security team!
Mar 24 23:32:09 <pupnik> just a dos
Mar 24 23:32:10 * javispedro can hear the black helicopters already
Mar 24 23:32:16 <Dyresen> nidO: I sure hope it will get better app availability
Mar 24 23:32:17 <anotnac> what is this new software coming to n900 what jussi makinen posted on twitter about
Mar 24 23:32:24 <pupnik> 00:25 < Darff>  HeLLO  ?ADCC SEND
Mar 24 23:32:26 <javispedro> anotnac: PR1.2
Mar 24 23:32:26 <nidO> from day one? you're whistling in the wind.
Mar 24 23:32:32 <anotnac> no
Mar 24 23:32:39 <anotnac> http://www.pikilipita.com/vj/index.php herrtes link
Mar 24 23:32:41 <Dyresen> nidO: noone said it will have it from day one.
Mar 24 23:32:47 <anotnac> its app or something
Mar 24 23:32:51 <nidO> you seem to be demanding it.
Mar 24 23:33:06 <Dyresen> nidO: no, thats just how you read into it.
Mar 24 23:33:20 <Dyresen> Im just asking of N900 will be suported.
Mar 24 23:33:47 <javispedro> N900 IS supported, there's a Fremantle update coming soon and another in the works.
Mar 24 23:33:53 <pupnik> hmm i hope that was filtered
Mar 24 23:33:55 <Dyresen> Oki
Mar 24 23:33:57 <anotnac> you read it guys i dont see much details so not sure what it is
Mar 24 23:34:03 <javispedro> But MeeGo--- why
Mar 24 23:34:05 <nidO> well actually your response to whether itll be supported *next week* by the very first alpha development release was "bye nokia"
Mar 24 23:34:31 <javispedro> it won't have MMS, it might not have video calling, etc etc.
Mar 24 23:34:32 <Dyresen> yeah that actually would be the best
Mar 24 23:34:57 <javispedro> while on the other side we know that Fremantle has MMS _now_ and some more video calling in PR1.2.
Mar 24 23:35:13 <DocScrutinizer51> wonder if I have to curse 3G in general, r my provider, or N900 or freenode. constant ping timeouts :-(
Mar 24 23:35:25 <DocScrutinizer51> ~ping
Mar 24 23:35:26 <infobot> ~pong
Mar 24 23:35:28 <nidO> id go with your provider
Mar 24 23:36:31 <GAN900> I wish microb could remember http passwords
Mar 24 23:36:41 <javispedro> 401?
Mar 24 23:36:54 <GAN900> Yeah
Mar 24 23:36:57 <javispedro> heh
Mar 24 23:37:09 * javispedro remembers that palmos remember ONLY 401 passwords, and ignored html forms
Mar 24 23:37:13 <javispedro> s/palmos/blazer
Mar 24 23:37:14 <trip0> fremantle has MMS?
Mar 24 23:37:20 <trip0> i didn't think it was ever going to get it?
Mar 24 23:37:28 <javispedro> in the form of fMMS :)
Mar 24 23:37:28 <GAN900> fMMS
Mar 24 23:37:36 <GAN900> It works great
Mar 24 23:37:39 <trip0> oh
Mar 24 23:37:52 * GAN900 really wants an Indigo applications.
Mar 24 23:37:58 <trip0> MMS was one of my buddy's "killer feature" for a phone
Mar 24 23:38:05 <trip0> i personally think it's a dated tech
Mar 24 23:38:07 <DocScrutinizer51> ~ping
Mar 24 23:38:08 <infobot> ~pong
Mar 24 23:38:26 * javispedro decides to give fmms a try
Mar 24 23:39:10 <javispedro> uh, not in -stable?
Mar 24 23:40:32 <GAN900> Not so far as I know
Mar 24 23:40:37 <GAN900> Some bugs
Mar 24 23:40:45 <GAN900> Mostly cosmetic
Mar 24 23:42:01 <openstandards> hi all :)
Mar 24 23:43:57 <anotnac> hi
Mar 24 23:44:04 <trip0> what's going on with fennec these days?
Mar 24 23:44:11 <trip0> is it usable yet?
Mar 24 23:45:13 <dmj726_n9001> seems usable, though I'm not sure I'd prefer it yet.
Mar 24 23:46:04 <dmj726_n9001> I would pick it over an iphone or android browser.
Mar 24 23:46:47 <dmj726_n9001> As an aside, they stopped work on the winmo version of fennec.
Mar 24 23:46:49 <openstandards> does anyone do any system administration from their n900 if so do you use any other apps other than ssh?
Mar 24 23:47:33 <SpeedEvil> openstandards, rsync
Mar 24 23:47:55 <nidO> I have it as a backup option, all I really need for it's ssh and a browser though
Mar 24 23:49:26 <C-S-B-N900> whats that nidO i seemed to have just been power magemented out...
Mar 24 23:49:32 <C-S-B-N900> im intrigued.
Mar 24 23:49:40 <nidO> [23:46] <openstandards> does anyone do any system administration from their n900 if so do you use any other apps other than ssh?
Mar 24 23:49:40 <SpeedEvil> someone did an ISO fake cd thing, which would be handy
Mar 24 23:50:00 <javispedro> fAPN should be a control panel applet, really.
Mar 24 23:50:30 <openstandards> its lovely being able to ssh in and issue proper commands i love it
Mar 24 23:50:39 <SpeedEvil> someone did an ISO fake cd thing, which would be handy
Mar 24 23:50:42 <C-S-B-N900> nid0 ssh and rdesktop
Mar 24 23:50:45 <pupnik> anyone here got VIcE working?
Mar 24 23:50:51 <nidO> my e90 was better for system administration though
Mar 24 23:50:59 <nidO> by a long way
Mar 24 23:51:07 <openstandards> nidO, how so
Mar 24 23:51:23 <ds3> hehe - http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33953
Mar 24 23:51:32 <nidO> infinitely better keyboard. not just a little bit less akward to use, its not even in the same class.
Mar 24 23:52:23 <nidO> full size proper massive keyboard with character keys, no assing around with fn buttons just to get a forwardslash.
Mar 24 23:52:28 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
Mar 24 23:53:27 <nidO> that, and putty has a version for symbian, so easy to just port all my stored hosts across from my workstation and connect to em directly
Mar 24 23:54:23 <nidO> and its prettier :)
Mar 24 23:54:25 <openstandards> yeah i never got putty working for my e65
Mar 24 23:54:32 <C-S-B-N900> .ssh/.config might helpful for storing hosts.
Mar 24 23:54:50 <nidO> sure, its useful to add them, but I have like 90.
Mar 24 23:55:01 <C-S-B-N900> ignore the swcond .
Mar 24 23:55:19 <nidO> with putty on symbian it's just a copypasta from my desktop rather than having to re-add 90-odd hosts by hand
Mar 24 23:55:23 <C-S-B-N900> oh christ, your point about the keyboard is being probed
Mar 24 23:55:29 <C-S-B-N900> *proved
Mar 24 23:55:38 <pupnik> lol
Mar 24 23:55:41 <nidO> heh
Mar 24 23:55:44 <openstandards> is it possible to copy and paste from the browser?
Mar 24 23:55:48 <nidO> e90's keyboard is an absolute dream
Mar 24 23:55:49 <C-S-B-N900> yes.
Mar 24 23:55:56 <C-S-B-N900> ctrl+c
Mar 24 23:56:16 <C-S-B-N900> move your cursor bottom left to get a cursor.
Mar 24 23:56:17 <openstandards> how do you select the yext thou
Mar 24 23:56:31 <C-S-B-N900> finger even.
Mar 24 23:56:52 <C-S-B-N900> lol at all the typos!
Mar 24 23:57:08 <openstandards> lol
Mar 24 23:57:41 <C-S-B-N900> i can see people training there muscles to use the n900 kb.
Mar 24 23:57:52 <C-S-B-N900> and having fails.
Mar 24 23:58:33 <C-S-B-N900> openstandards: how you getting on with the cp and paste?
Mar 24 23:58:53 <nidO> my dream's still that nokia release an e-series meego device with the same form factor as an e90
Mar 24 23:59:00 <nidO> buy that baby the day it's available
Mar 24 23:59:22 <openstandards> failing :)
Mar 24 23:59:30 <C-S-B-N900> bit big though?
Mar 24 23:59:45 <ShadowJK> it's supposed to be big to show off
Mar 24 23:59:54 <nidO> its tall yeah, useful for posing though
Mar 25 00:00:08 <nidO> but its height and being a clamshell is what allows it to have such a perfect keyboard
Mar 25 00:00:32 <ShadowJK> e90 is the SUV of phones: heavy, big, inefficient, expensive
Mar 25 00:00:38 <C-S-B-N900> wouldn't netbook fill that void?
Mar 25 00:00:48 <nidO> e90 fits in a pocket and is a phone
Mar 25 00:00:52 <nidO> netbooks are neither
Mar 25 00:00:53 <C-S-B-N900> the sony p series for example
Mar 25 00:01:03 <crashanddie> best keyboard is still on most blackberries
Mar 25 00:01:25 <C-S-B-N900> but then you oqn a blackberry
Mar 25 00:01:28 <nidO> whereas an e90 with updated hardware and a non symbian os basically *is* a netbook, with about as good a keyboard, that can fit in your pocket and make phone calls.
Mar 25 00:01:38 <crashanddie> oqn?
Mar 25 00:01:49 <C-S-B-N900> own
Mar 25 00:01:54 <C-S-B-N900> fm kb
Mar 25 00:01:59 <crashanddie> heh... My point exactly?
Mar 25 00:02:34 <crashanddie> owning a blackberry isn't a bad thing -- only for business use though.
Mar 25 00:02:59 <ShadowJK> I think the next communicator, if any, would still be symbian.. backwards compat for enterprise/business users..
Mar 25 00:03:13 <C-S-B-N900> i know too many twats with them.
Mar 25 00:03:33 <crashanddie> Writing a long email on a blackberry isn't an issue. The UI keeps up, spellcheck is on-par, extremely responsive
Mar 25 00:03:34 <nidO> yes im afraid of that as well, or that nokia will kill the communicator series now
Mar 25 00:03:48 <nidO> seeing as commercially at least the e90 was a flop thanks to nokia regressing the os
Mar 25 00:03:51 <C-S-B-N900> i think theres a real market for linux admin geek phones.
Mar 25 00:04:43 <openstandards> i just hope nokia understand that alot of their users want better calendar support....etc
Mar 25 00:05:09 <nidO> if they do release another communicator theyd probably have to be less over the top with the hardware anyway
Mar 25 00:05:19 <nidO> I think these days a £750 phone is gonna be a real hard sell.
Mar 25 00:05:28 <C-S-B-N900> i think they should make the hw more open. an ultimate hacker phone.
Mar 25 00:06:23 <openstandards> C-S-B-N900, won't work won't make enough money....look at the freerunner that pretty much flopped
Mar 25 00:06:45 <C-S-B-N900> like the n900, if they deliver im sure the community will pick up the rest.
Mar 25 00:07:05 <trip0> freerunner suffered things other than being open source
Mar 25 00:07:16 <C-S-B-N900> freerunner is not in the shopfront with nokia behind it.
Mar 25 00:07:18 <trip0> ie, an only partially working stack
Mar 25 00:07:42 <nidO> no "ultimate hacker phone" aimed squarely at geeks is going to be in the shopfront
Mar 25 00:08:02 <openstandards> exactly...
Mar 25 00:08:18 <C-S-B-N900> n900 is fairly under utilised by any else
Mar 25 00:09:15 <openstandards> C-S-B-N900, the n900 seems like a good bridge give it to a geek and they will divorce their partner :
Mar 25 00:09:27 <nidO> pfff
Mar 25 00:09:37 <nidO> I got my n900 and my girlfriend steals it all the time to play blubbels
Mar 25 00:09:45 <C-S-B-N900> lol
Mar 25 00:09:58 <openstandards> and shes still your girlfriend? :P
Mar 25 00:10:06 <C-S-B-N900> first time my gf touched it, she dropped it.
Mar 25 00:10:26 <openstandards> yikes.... i've dropped mine enough
Mar 25 00:10:28 <pupnik> it should really sell to folks who want a good browser also
Mar 25 00:10:28 <nidO> mine has it on threat of snapping her hd2 in half to be careful with mine
Mar 25 00:10:32 <ds3> C-S-B-N900: is she still your gf? ;)
Mar 25 00:11:01 <crashanddie> <C-S-B-N900> first time my gf touched it, she dropped it. <-- quoted
Mar 25 00:11:18 <openstandards> if the n900 had more enterprise features it would be alot better than it currently is
Mar 25 00:11:35 <crashanddie> Well, for specific people, not everyone
Mar 25 00:11:39 <C-S-B-N900> yeah, i forgave her. shes not touched it since.
Mar 25 00:12:01 <Robot101> more quote fodder
Mar 25 00:12:03 <Robot101> :P
Mar 25 00:12:08 <crashanddie> C-S-B-N900: I think that in order to qualify as your girlfriend, she needs to /touch it/ every once in a while
Mar 25 00:12:16 <C-S-B-N900> saying that im on n900 no. 3. this is my baby.
Mar 25 00:12:41 <crashanddie> Robot101: glad you're seeing it too
Mar 25 00:13:36 * C-S-B-N900 is fully aware...
Mar 25 00:13:45 * noobmonk3y prods lcuk
Mar 25 00:14:40 * noobmonk3y smiles :D
Mar 25 00:16:31 <C-S-B-N900> anyone had luck with the infrared remote control app?
Mar 25 00:16:37 <nidO> some
Mar 25 00:16:45 <nidO> half of the remote profiles seem to do bugger all though
Mar 25 00:17:02 <C-S-B-N900> i have a shit crt here and it ignores me.
Mar 25 00:17:20 <silverbullet> yes it worked for me
Mar 25 00:17:24 <nidO> I managed to cobble something together for my tv from various similar profiles, but its total pot luck as to whether the profile you want will actually do anything
Mar 25 00:17:24 <C-S-B-N900> and whines like a bitch
Mar 25 00:17:31 <SpeedEvil> anyone seen since pr 1.1.1 the virtual keyboard not popping up in textfields?
Mar 25 00:18:05 <C-S-B-N900> silverbullet: what kind of range are you getting?
Mar 25 00:18:16 <nidO> SpeedEvil iv had no problems with it
Mar 25 00:18:22 <nidO> dont use it much but when I do it works
Mar 25 00:18:50 <C-S-B-N900> virtual kb seems like asking for trouble?
Mar 25 00:19:10 <silverbullet> speedevil, it sometimes is slow in coming up, and sometimes on  a regular use, it fails to show on just 1 click, i have to touch many times on a text field to have it open
Mar 25 00:20:00 <silverbullet> csb, i dont know about the range stuff, i have toshiba tv, and from the download remote area, i selceted toshiba and just randomly selected seom tv remote and it worked, all buttons that i added
Mar 25 00:20:08 <tools> cool - im using irssi on a remote system with my new n900 :-)
Mar 25 00:21:03 <silverbullet> i'm using qtirreco
Mar 25 00:21:11 <C-S-B-N900> silverbullet: well how far are you sat from your tv?
Mar 25 00:21:31 <C-S-B-N900> like usuable distance?
Mar 25 00:21:32 <silverbullet> about 9 feet i think
Mar 25 00:21:39 * noobmonk3y has never got the ir working :(
Mar 25 00:22:04 <nidO> probably using a duff remote profile
Mar 25 00:22:06 <silverbullet> noobmonk3y have u used qtirreco ?
Mar 25 00:22:08 <C-S-B-N900> might be good alt. to a harmony.
Mar 25 00:22:25 <SpeedEvil> silverbullet, hmm. not working at all. odd.
Mar 25 00:22:38 <nidO> it would be a great alternative if the remote profiles all just worked properly and there were more of them
Mar 25 00:22:46 <noobmonk3y> yeah silverbullet - tried on 3 tv's - none officially on the lists - but tried the random similar models, never got it working
Mar 25 00:23:01 <C-S-B-N900> my tv is an lg lcd but im home staying at the mother in laws and her tv is ancient. i cant find anything that works.
Mar 25 00:23:20 <noobmonk3y> i have a wharfdale in my room, none on there :( but still no others work with it
Mar 25 00:23:39 <nidO> my yamaha separates are a no-go with gtirreco too
Mar 25 00:23:46 <nidO> though I got it going for my tv, mostly
Mar 25 00:24:18 <C-S-B-N900> id really like it to work.
Mar 25 00:24:38 <silverbullet> i thought the *download remote* had a pretty comprehensive list of makes and models
Mar 25 00:24:48 <noobmonk3y> hmmmm none of mine ;)
Mar 25 00:24:54 <silverbullet> hmm
Mar 25 00:24:54 <nidO> it has a fair few, but its in no way comprehensive
Mar 25 00:24:59 <nidO> and half of them dont work
Mar 25 00:25:08 <C-S-B-N900> but saying that it prob would work on *my* tv.
Mar 25 00:25:19 <noobmonk3y> i do have 3 oddish tv's i suppose
Mar 25 00:25:25 <noobmonk3y> but all under 3 years old
Mar 25 00:25:31 <nidO> dont work as in = properly messed up, and result in the ir tx not even doing anything when you press the buttons
Mar 25 00:25:50 <noobmonk3y> nidO - nothing, no sign of life......
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 25 00:31:41 2010
Mar 25 00:31:46 <noobmonk3y> servers split :D
Mar 25 00:31:53 <ab_> meaning?
Mar 25 00:31:57 <nidO> that one's pretty huge
Mar 25 00:31:58 <noobmonk3y> so half the room vanish, and rejoin when the servers talk to each other
Mar 25 00:32:10 <noobmonk3y> you all join on different servers
Mar 25 00:32:10 <silverbullet> hmm
Mar 25 00:32:19 <nidO> ta-da
Mar 25 00:32:19 <noobmonk3y> so if one looses touch with another, it is called a split
Mar 25 00:32:26 <noobmonk3y> woah welcome back split surfers
Mar 25 00:32:45 <nidO> id almost say it was us that split :<
Mar 25 00:32:57 * noobmonk3y felt separated :(
Mar 25 00:33:00 <silverbullet> :)
Mar 25 00:33:18 <silverbullet> i think its the tremors of pr 1.2 !!!!!
Mar 25 00:33:20 <noobmonk3y> yup,, twas a tsunami net split.....
Mar 25 00:33:20 <silverbullet> :p
Mar 25 00:33:23 <noobmonk3y> lol silverbullet
Mar 25 00:33:32 <nidO> srsly
Mar 25 00:33:33 <noobmonk3y> shhhhhhhhhhh dont say those numbers out loud
Mar 25 00:33:37 <noobmonk3y> trolls come hunting
Mar 25 00:33:42 <silverbullet> hehe
Mar 25 00:33:51 <nidO> noobmonk3y did you see the video of that woman who got pushed along the a1 sideways in her car by a lorry for ages?
Mar 25 00:33:53 * noobmonk3y whispers meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee gooooooooooooooooo
Mar 25 00:33:59 <noobmonk3y> omfg, yeah
Mar 25 00:34:01 <C-S-B-N900> in fact my version of irreco says cannot parse response when downloading remotes?
Mar 25 00:34:03 <noobmonk3y> was fcuked up
Mar 25 00:34:08 <nidO> worst lorry driver in the world ever
Mar 25 00:34:16 <C-S-B-N900> i saw that
Mar 25 00:34:16 <noobmonk3y> really do not beleive he didnt notice?!
Mar 25 00:34:41 <pupnik> maybe she was his ex
Mar 25 00:34:55 <C-S-B-N900> how the hell did the car get there sidewards?
Mar 25 00:34:57 <Myrtti> maybe you need to find a better hobby than IRC
Mar 25 00:35:05 <nidO> the lorry clipped the side of her car
Mar 25 00:35:05 <noobmonk3y> lol
Mar 25 00:35:10 <noobmonk3y> right anyway, bed time
Mar 25 00:35:11 <noobmonk3y> nights alls
Mar 25 00:35:12 <silverbullet> how do u all know the same video ??/
Mar 25 00:35:13 <nidO> basically an accidental pitt maneuver
Mar 25 00:35:19 <noobmonk3y> silverbullet on the news
Mar 25 00:35:24 <nidO> silverbullet it's been all over the news in the uk
Mar 25 00:35:25 <silverbullet> hmm
Mar 25 00:35:30 <silverbullet> oh
Mar 25 00:35:32 <noobmonk3y> :D
Mar 25 00:35:34 <silverbullet> u all in uk
Mar 25 00:35:36 <noobmonk3y> we is a small country, innit
Mar 25 00:35:44 <noobmonk3y> national news = village news ;)
Mar 25 00:35:49 <noobmonk3y> yup
Mar 25 00:35:49 <silverbullet> :)
Mar 25 00:35:59 * noobmonk3y was in the news once :D
Mar 25 00:36:30 <noobmonk3y> was providing IT feedback to a section they did on bbc local news :D
Mar 25 00:36:33 <noobmonk3y> anyway
Mar 25 00:36:35 * noobmonk3y yawns
Mar 25 00:36:46 * noobmonk3y eats more air.....bed time! lol
Mar 25 00:36:57 <nidO> nn
Mar 25 00:37:08 <silverbullet> my time just started. just came to office its morning at my side
Mar 25 00:40:30 <crashanddie> nidO: then again, a baby getting mistreated was "all over the news" in the UK for nearly a year
Mar 25 00:41:01 <crashanddie> nidO: up to a point where TDM and Metro had a page, with the same picture and layout every day for nearly two weeks. Page 7 IIRC.
Mar 25 00:41:13 <crashanddie> only the text would change a bit
Mar 25 00:41:32 <nidO> I dont see the connection :p
Mar 25 00:42:04 <crashanddie> UK news is famously poor
Mar 25 00:42:10 <crashanddie> except for BBC, obviously.
Mar 25 00:42:25 <nidO> tabloid news is, ofc, I wouldnt ever dispute that
Mar 25 00:43:14 <crashanddie> buon giorno sergio__ !
Mar 25 00:43:31 <Dyresen> 1:43 AM Good night!
Mar 25 00:43:38 <sergio__> ciao a tutti
Mar 25 00:43:39 <sergio__> hello
Mar 25 00:44:15 <crashanddie> e mattina, per quanto posso osservare
Mar 25 00:44:42 <sergio__> di dove siete?
Mar 25 00:44:48 <sergio__> che canale è questo?
Mar 25 00:45:04 <silverbullet> what lang is that
Mar 25 00:45:11 <njsf_> italiano
Mar 25 00:45:16 <silverbullet> cool
Mar 25 00:45:21 <sergio__> sorry
Mar 25 00:45:22 <crashanddie> sergio__: #maemo
Mar 25 00:45:29 <sergio__> where are u from'
Mar 25 00:45:32 <njsf_> ciao crashanddie
Mar 25 00:45:38 <silverbullet> me?
Mar 25 00:45:43 <sergio__> yes
Mar 25 00:45:48 <silverbullet> pakistan
Mar 25 00:45:55 <sergio__> ok
Mar 25 00:45:56 <crashanddie> australia :)
Mar 25 00:46:07 <sergio__> ma funzionano le query?
Mar 25 00:46:12 <sergio__> non mi risp nessuno :D
Mar 25 00:46:18 <silverbullet> i'm planning to visit rome in september ...
Mar 25 00:46:48 <silverbullet> i'm searching on internet for affordable hotels/rooms to rent
Mar 25 00:48:00 <njsf_> silverbullet: if you are alone, with young friends you could try youth hostels
Mar 25 00:48:20 <njsf_> in Europe usually a fair deal
Mar 25 00:48:35 <crashanddie> yeah, just go for backpackers
Mar 25 00:48:42 <jacekowski> hmm
Mar 25 00:48:43 <silverbullet> yea i will be alone
Mar 25 00:48:54 <silverbullet> its absolutely safe in youth hostels :) ?
Mar 25 00:48:58 <jacekowski> does anybody know a place where i can buy 32G microSD card?
Mar 25 00:49:00 <crashanddie> If you don't need the luxury of a hotel, you can usually find places for $20 a  night
Mar 25 00:49:06 <jacekowski> and is n900 going to take it?
Mar 25 00:49:24 <silverbullet> jackowski check this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44746
Mar 25 00:49:27 <nidO> probably nowhere yet as they were released like 2 days ago literally
Mar 25 00:49:31 <nidO> and it should do
Mar 25 00:49:47 <crashanddie> silverbullet: depends, are you a chick wearing short skirts and showing off a nice neckline? Or a bearded guy who showers every 3 days?
Mar 25 00:49:53 <jacekowski> silverbullet: if you go to cheapest one it might not be as clean as you might expect
Mar 25 00:49:59 <njsf_> yeah phys interface is same, Linux supports FAT32, you're all set
Mar 25 00:50:18 <silverbullet> aha
Mar 25 00:50:42 <silverbullet> i'm just a simple guy who does carry a n900 and uses it a lot, i think that doesnt attract theft
Mar 25 00:51:51 <jacekowski> silverbullet: i was more interested in advice where to get one
Mar 25 00:52:01 <jacekowski> silverbullet: get it insured
Mar 25 00:52:05 <jacekowski> silverbullet: where do you live?
Mar 25 00:52:17 <crashanddie> http://www.mobymemory.com/products/SanDisk/Sandisk-32gb-Micro-SD-SDHC-PRE-ORDER.asp
Mar 25 00:52:24 <crashanddie> pre order, but should come out soon
Mar 25 00:52:38 <jacekowski> crashanddie: i need it now
Mar 25 00:52:45 <jacekowski> because i run out of space npw
Mar 25 00:52:46 <jacekowski> now
Mar 25 00:52:47 <crashanddie> you  don't need anything
Mar 25 00:52:49 <jacekowski> not soon
Mar 25 00:52:51 <crashanddie> you want it
Mar 25 00:52:56 <nidO> if you need it now
Mar 25 00:52:59 <nidO> then you're shit out of luck
Mar 25 00:53:06 <crashanddie> ~nidO++
Mar 25 00:53:12 <nidO> the things were released literally this week
Mar 25 00:53:17 <nidO> they dont get on shop shelves that fast
Mar 25 00:53:24 <silverbullet> i was reading that post
Mar 25 00:53:32 <jacekowski> 64G would be nice
Mar 25 00:53:33 <crashanddie> jacekowski: just buy two 16GB?
Mar 25 00:53:38 <silverbullet> i thought it may have some info related to that
Mar 25 00:53:41 <jacekowski> crashanddie: N900 is not going to take them
Mar 25 00:53:58 <crashanddie> N900 doesn't support 16GB? That's news
Mar 25 00:54:08 <jacekowski> crashanddie: well it supports 1x16G
Mar 25 00:54:12 <silverbullet> it does i'm sure
Mar 25 00:54:16 <crashanddie> my point exactly :)
Mar 25 00:54:20 <jacekowski> crashanddie: 2x16G is not going to happen
Mar 25 00:54:28 <silverbullet> yea
Mar 25 00:54:32 <silverbullet> at the same time
Mar 25 00:54:35 <jacekowski> yeah
Mar 25 00:54:40 <jacekowski> that's why i want 32G
Mar 25 00:54:43 <jacekowski> or 64
Mar 25 00:54:45 <jacekowski> or 128
Mar 25 00:55:01 <nidO> well, realistically you can expect to get a 32 in a month or two
Mar 25 00:55:04 <jacekowski> i'm just wondering where it will go from now
Mar 25 00:55:06 <nidO> probably nearer 2
Mar 25 00:55:14 <jacekowski> physicaly bigger card
Mar 25 00:55:18 <jacekowski> or multiple slots
Mar 25 00:55:48 <jacekowski> or it will just stay at 32G or whatever physical limitation is
Mar 25 00:56:03 <nidO> physical limitation only === as good as the current tech is
Mar 25 00:56:24 <jacekowski> that's what's limiting CPU power consumption and size at the moment
Mar 25 00:56:41 <jacekowski> anything smaller would need much lower voltage
Mar 25 00:56:56 <SpeedEvil> expect 128g microsds 2012ish
Mar 25 00:56:59 <jacekowski> because you would get microsparks inside transistors
Mar 25 00:57:35 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski, current SDs already run the RAM lower voltage than the IO
Mar 25 00:57:45 <crashanddie> yay! Nanoparticles completely remove cancer cells in human trial!
Mar 25 00:57:52 <crashanddie> LET'S ALL HAVE A FAG, SHALL WE?
Mar 25 00:58:00 <crashanddie> GAN900: start smoking
Mar 25 00:58:11 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: but there are lower voltage limits
Mar 25 00:58:22 <GAN900> Too expensive
Mar 25 00:58:33 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski, ?
Mar 25 00:58:37 <crashanddie> GAN900: well, you can be sure that prices are going to drop dramatically
Mar 25 00:58:47 <crashanddie> if this pans out
Mar 25 00:58:52 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: i mean you can't go too low with voltage
Mar 25 00:59:00 <crashanddie> no cancer anymore, no need for taxing the fags
Mar 25 00:59:12 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski, the flash chip has lower core voltage. This is not exposed to the world in SDsx
Mar 25 00:59:27 <nidO> oh yeah cos the health risks are the only reason the govt levies such a stupid tax on luxury items
Mar 25 00:59:37 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: yeah and how low that voltage is limited by physics
Mar 25 00:59:39 <crashanddie> nidO: mainly, yeah
Mar 25 00:59:49 <nidO> did cider suddenly get more deadly this year?
Mar 25 00:59:49 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: and same physics limit high limit as well
Mar 25 00:59:54 <nidO> cos tax on it just went up by 10%
Mar 25 01:00:03 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: and smaller it get's higher limits go lower
Mar 25 01:00:07 <nidO> oh wait, the tax is there to fill the govt coffers and nothing else
Mar 25 01:00:20 <crashanddie> nidO: hey, if they lower on smokes, they can increase taxes on booze all they want
Mar 25 01:00:26 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski, geometry looks like the current limit, not voltage.
Mar 25 01:00:45 <crashanddie> nidO: I'm paying $15 a pack here :P
Mar 25 01:00:50 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski, sure, voltages change with geomtry. Sp what?
Mar 25 01:01:08 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: i've read that with current cpus it's voltage problem that insulators aren't good enough at that sizes/voltages
Mar 25 01:01:17 <DocScrutinizer51> cheers
Mar 25 01:01:18 <crashanddie> jacekowski: smaller wires support smaller voltages, news at eleven?
Mar 25 01:01:36 <nidO> personally I dont smoke, but a long and difficult new process that might possibly cure cancer != tax on cigs being abolished.
Mar 25 01:01:37 <jacekowski> crashanddie: smaller wire == smaller distance between wires
Mar 25 01:01:44 <jacekowski> crashanddie: == less insulation
Mar 25 01:02:12 <crashanddie> in what world does smaller wire == smaller distance between?
Mar 25 01:02:23 <jacekowski> silicon world
Mar 25 01:02:34 <crashanddie> no, smaller wire means smaller wire, whether you want to put them closer together is your problem, not the wire's
Mar 25 01:02:37 <jacekowski> because it means smaller transistors at the same time
Mar 25 01:02:38 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski, the major current problem is simply photolithography. and squeezing the geometries.
Mar 25 01:03:27 <jacekowski> anywas
Mar 25 01:03:35 <jacekowski> sleep time
Mar 25 01:03:43 <DocScrutinizer51> jacekowski: yep, you get voltage gradients where little sparks jump between the 35nm structures at 5V
Mar 25 01:05:20 <crashanddie> I'm bored at work
Mar 25 01:05:25 <crashanddie> anyone have an idea for an app I could code?
Mar 25 01:05:39 <silverbullet> i'm bored too
Mar 25 01:05:41 <SpeedEvil> crashanddie, a levelfinding app.
Mar 25 01:05:44 <silverbullet> hey since u mentioned coding
Mar 25 01:05:50 <crashanddie> levelfinding?
Mar 25 01:06:12 <ds3> a simple GPS logging/way point app a la the early GPS's
Mar 25 01:06:13 <silverbullet> i couldnt find a place to download a verion of qt creator that has madde integration for windows :(
Mar 25 01:06:30 <SpeedEvil> crashanddie, wander round a site, taking multiple pictures. Make a 3d model, using them, and use the accel when
Mar 25 01:06:40 <silverbullet> there is one but not easy to loacte, and maybe i'm dyslexic :)
Mar 25 01:06:57 <crashanddie> SpeedEvil: I said I was bored, not that I wanted ideas for a PhD in applied mathematics!
Mar 25 01:07:10 <SpeedEvil> pictures were taken to work out the level of ground. To help with leveling earth and stuff.
Mar 25 01:07:21 <SpeedEvil> :J
Mar 25 01:07:37 <crashanddie> SpeedEvil: I suck at that kind of stuff... I'm more into small but powerful apps
Mar 25 01:07:51 <SpeedEvil> A shift-indicator on the led
Mar 25 01:08:11 <crashanddie> interesting
Mar 25 01:08:18 <SpeedEvil> showing if you're in shift or shift lock mode.
Mar 25 01:08:26 <ds3> crashanddie: a simple GPS app!
Mar 25 01:08:30 <silverbullet> SpeedEvil what do u do ?
Mar 25 01:08:47 <SpeedEvil> silverbullet, not much.
Mar 25 01:09:48 <SpeedEvil> crashanddie, or a thing to poll gps once an hour (or more often if plugged in) to keep the fix fresh.
Mar 25 01:10:50 <SpeedEvil> crashanddie, Or, something to enable €cel-tap detection.
Mar 25 01:10:54 <SpeedEvil> accel
Mar 25 01:11:00 <silverbullet> umm u talk like electrical engineers :)
Mar 25 01:11:07 <silverbullet> umm some of my friends :)
Mar 25 01:11:09 <SpeedEvil> for right button.
Mar 25 01:11:37 <SpeedEvil> silverbullet, not currently employed. Am interested in field.
Mar 25 01:12:11 <crashanddie> electrical engineers are brutes, barbarians. They yield 200 amps and thousands of volts as if it were a walk in the park
Mar 25 01:12:43 <silverbullet> heheh
Mar 25 01:12:47 <silverbullet> really ?
Mar 25 01:12:52 <crashanddie> electronics engineers are pussies. They work with fractions of amps, single-digit volts
Mar 25 01:12:53 <silverbullet> like we coders do with code :P
Mar 25 01:13:15 <silverbullet> both of u r engineers!!! i guess
Mar 25 01:13:17 <DocScrutinizer51> SpeedEvil: (shift indicator led) you STOLE my idea!!
Mar 25 01:13:26 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer51: patent it
Mar 25 01:13:36 <SpeedEvil> maybe.
Mar 25 01:13:51 <SpeedEvil> I don't recall mention of it.
Mar 25 01:13:52 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer51: but I'm guessing that prior art would bum you quite a bit
Mar 25 01:14:02 <DocScrutinizer51> crashanddie: did that 1987
Mar 25 01:14:04 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer51: look at your desktop's keyboard...
Mar 25 01:14:28 <DocScrutinizer51> they stole it too XP
Mar 25 01:16:43 <DocScrutinizer51> nah, honestly - a indicator LED 'pattern' showing shift anf Fn and ctrl both onetime and lock  that'd be mad useful
Mar 25 01:18:18 <DocScrutinizer51> ~botsnack
Mar 25 01:20:21 <cehteh> extra leds (3color!) under each key :P
Mar 25 01:22:10 <DocScrutinizer51> heh, we actually got 6 individually controlable LED under the kbd
Mar 25 01:22:20 <DocScrutinizer51> alas only white
Mar 25 01:22:59 <cehteh> yeah and not well differentiated they blur into each other
Mar 25 01:23:45 <DocScrutinizer51> and aren't visible in normal daylight
Mar 25 01:24:01 <pupnik> software controllable DocScrutinizer51 ?  lets animate em in a wave pattern
Mar 25 01:24:23 <DocScrutinizer51> indicator LED would match better what we need for 'capslock' LED
Mar 25 01:24:53 <DocScrutinizer51> pupnik: SpeedEvil did that
Mar 25 01:24:56 <cehteh> mhm
Mar 25 01:25:00 <DocScrutinizer51> get his script
Mar 25 01:25:14 <cehteh> no dbus singnals for keylocks (i didnt really expect it)
Mar 25 01:25:18 <cehteh> that would be too simple :P
Mar 25 01:25:25 <SpeedEvil> hmm. point.
Mar 25 01:25:36 <pupnik> where is script SpeedEvil ?
Mar 25 01:25:40 <crashanddie> can we access skype from telepathy?
Mar 25 01:25:42 <DocScrutinizer51> cehteh: :-/
Mar 25 01:25:43 <SpeedEvil> keyboard isn't very visible
Mar 25 01:25:58 <SpeedEvil> pupnik, diddn't save.
Mar 25 01:26:16 <SpeedEvil> grep logs for speedevil.*bright
Mar 25 01:26:31 <DocScrutinizer51> (wah. pub closing)
Mar 25 01:26:38 <cehteh> lol
Mar 25 01:27:41 <cehteh> mhm locking caps or fn shows this banner .. that must be catchable somewhere
Mar 25 01:27:49 <cehteh> but there is definately no unlock message
Mar 25 01:28:15 <cehteh> getting the led blink when battery is low was easy, but this might be harder
Mar 25 01:28:24 <DocScrutinizer51> quote from next one left: fsck books - can't grep them
Mar 25 01:28:26 <cehteh> (and i dont really need it, i can remember the state)
Mar 25 01:29:38 <cehteh> DocScrutinizer: do you have an idea how much mA the vibrator draws?
Mar 25 01:30:21 <DocScrutinizer51> I *love* OM-HW headquarters pub
Mar 25 01:30:44 <cehteh> my guessimate would be somewhere between 50-250 .. but i am not good at guessing that
Mar 25 01:31:27 <SpeedEvil> 50 is probably closer.
Mar 25 01:31:38 <SpeedEvil> llooking for controllable load?
Mar 25 01:32:04 <DocScrutinizer51> cehteh: vibr is expesive
Mar 25 01:32:09 <SpeedEvil> flashlight - 100mA or so
Mar 25 01:32:17 <DocScrutinizer51> I guess some 100s
Mar 25 01:32:32 <cehteh> nope, i yesterday had the idea of a long lasting pattern (30 minutes) giving short ticks (50ms) every 10-30 secs
Mar 25 01:32:45 <cehteh> for notification
Mar 25 01:33:02 <cehteh> but well i played with that and one doesnt really notice short vibrates
Mar 25 01:33:23 <DocScrutinizer51> no problem
Mar 25 01:33:36 <cehteh> maybe 250ms or longer but more infrequent is better
Mar 25 01:33:44 <DocScrutinizer51> will run some days from a charged bat
Mar 25 01:34:25 <cehteh> PatternVibraTwitch=5;1;900;0;100;0;15;10000;255
Mar 25 01:34:28 <cehteh> too short
Mar 25 01:35:00 <DocScrutinizer51> assume 300mA. 1s per 30s is an avrg of 10
Mar 25 01:35:06 <cehteh> eh that was already tewaked ... well lemme try
Mar 25 01:35:11 <cehteh> yeah
Mar 25 01:35:55 <DocScrutinizer51> neglectable
Mar 25 01:36:55 <cehteh> # OnPeriod time in milliseconds
Mar 25 01:36:55 <cehteh> # BreakPeriod time in milliseconds
Mar 25 01:36:55 <cehteh> # OffPeriod time in milliseconds
Mar 25 01:37:09 <cehteh> whats 'BreakPeriod'
Mar 25 01:37:32 <DocScrutinizer51> yeah
Mar 25 01:37:36 <DocScrutinizer51> no idea
Mar 25 01:38:14 <cehteh> hehe
Mar 25 01:38:43 <cehteh> accelerate is a short full power kick to unstuck the motor btw
Mar 25 01:39:02 <cehteh> just in case you wonder about that :P
Mar 25 01:39:21 <cehteh> PatternVibraTwitch=5;1;900;0;10;240;0;10000;160
Mar 25 01:39:21 <cehteh>   .. lemme try that
Mar 25 01:39:54 <DocScrutinizer51> break might mean 'short the pins to make motor stop'
Mar 25 01:40:26 <cehteh> i have it at 0 now lemme see
Mar 25 01:40:52 * DocScrutinizer51 wishes mce itself was as configurable as the vibr is
Mar 25 01:41:15 <cehteh> or even opensource
Mar 25 01:41:35 <DocScrutinizer51> yup
Mar 25 01:41:45 <cehteh> yes break might be the motor brake .. lemme try
Mar 25 01:42:32 <cehteh> yes
Mar 25 01:42:34 <cehteh> it is
Mar 25 01:52:52 <crashanddie> do you need to restart a service after modifying mce.ini?
Mar 25 01:53:15 <DocScrutinizer> iirc yes
Mar 25 01:53:33 <DocScrutinizer> wiki has some comment on tha iirc
Mar 25 01:53:39 <DocScrutinizer> led-patterns
Mar 25 01:56:32 <crashanddie> hmm
Mar 25 01:56:33 <crashanddie> here's my idea
Mar 25 01:56:42 <crashanddie> upon receiving an sms/IM
Mar 25 01:56:57 <crashanddie> have the led morse-code-display the contents of the sms
Mar 25 01:57:37 <DocScrutinizer> also prior art XP
Mar 25 01:57:51 <crashanddie> who gives a fuck?
Mar 25 01:57:59 <DocScrutinizer> ;-)
Mar 25 01:58:09 <DocScrutinizer> who knows Morse?
Mar 25 01:58:39 <DocScrutinizer> Nokia standard SMS notification ... -- ...
Mar 25 01:59:32 <DocScrutinizer> I still failed to manage to decode the long pattern from old 6210 yet
Mar 25 01:59:46 <crashanddie> ..   -.- -. --- .--   -- --- .-. ... .
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 25 02:04:33 2010
Mar 25 02:04:48 <silverbullet> wow
Mar 25 02:04:48 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, to lazy to dig out my mores cmdline
Mar 25 02:04:48 <silverbullet> morse code !!
Mar 25 02:04:48 <DocScrutinizer> morse even
Mar 25 02:04:48 <crashanddie> anyway, lunch time
Mar 25 02:04:48 <torrancew> has anyone had trouble with some bash scripts on maemo 5?
Mar 25 02:04:48 <torrancew> specifically, the =~ operator?
Mar 25 02:04:48 <crashanddie> torrancew: did you install bash?
Mar 25 02:04:48 <crashanddie> torrancew: by default the shell isn't bash
Mar 25 02:04:48 <torrancew> yeah, bash is on there
Mar 25 02:04:49 <DocScrutinizer>  ..-.  ..-  -.-.  -.-  ..  -.  --.    --  ---  .-.  ...  .  -.-.  ---  -..  .  --..--    -.--  ---  ..-    --  .-  -..  .    --  .    --.  .-.  .  .--.    --  -.--    ...  ....  .  .-..  .-..    ....  ..  ...  -  ---  .-.  -.--    ...-.-
Mar 25 02:04:49 <torrancew> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=579006
Mar 25 02:04:49 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: there's no way you didn't do that without a converter
Mar 25 02:05:01 <silverbullet> splitttiiiinnnnnn
Mar 25 02:05:24 <crashanddie> morse code broke everything!
Mar 25 02:05:27 <torrancew> rofl
Mar 25 02:05:28 <crashanddie> 'later
Mar 25 02:08:21 <DocScrutinizer> netsplit?
Mar 25 02:09:18 <silverbullet> happening every hour i think
Mar 25 02:09:30 <torrancew> DocScrutinizer: happens when a server tanks, i believe
Mar 25 02:09:43 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, noticed strange problems last few hours
Mar 25 02:10:13 <silverbullet> as i said be 4 to someone ... pr 1.2 tremors :)
Mar 25 02:10:15 <torrancew> they've been getting spam waves a good bit lately
Mar 25 02:11:27 <DocScrutinizer> good part is ircd-7 seems to cope with such crap rather conveniently
Mar 25 02:12:29 <DocScrutinizer> only problem : it comes to a grinding halt on rejecting all the junk flood
Mar 25 02:12:34 <pupnik> pygame doesnt see enter key
Mar 25 02:12:51 <pupnik> does n900 still send it as kp-enter?
Mar 25 02:17:27 <cehteh> still? .. unchangeable because of some crap :P
Mar 25 02:17:52 <cehteh> some apps expect hardcoded kp-enter now .. from the closed source league
Mar 25 02:31:40 <DocScrutinizer> OHNOES!
Mar 25 02:31:42 <silverbullet> hey can anyone tell me how to specify a http proxy to the microb? ?
Mar 25 02:32:07 <silverbullet> i'm already on an usb network and ping both ways and ssh too ... using win7
Mar 25 02:32:08 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp:
Mar 25 02:32:33 <silverbullet> wub be cool if i can just ask micro be to use the proxy server on my pc
Mar 25 02:34:07 <DocScrutinizer> you googled?
Mar 25 02:34:13 <silverbullet> no
Mar 25 02:34:18 <silverbullet> well
Mar 25 02:34:38 <silverbullet> i have searched and read the forums few times be 4
Mar 25 02:34:47 <silverbullet> but not before asking this question here today
Mar 25 02:35:19 <DigitalPioneer> n8
Mar 25 02:37:40 <cehteh> silverbullet: connection settings
Mar 25 02:37:51 <silverbullet> where
Mar 25 02:38:07 <cehteh> uhm
Mar 25 02:38:12 <silverbullet> i'm checking about:config right now .. lots of proxy setting there
Mar 25 02:38:24 <silverbullet> have to set the right one and not mess up
Mar 25 02:38:25 <cehteh> connection setting of the device
Mar 25 02:38:36 <cehteh> not in microb
Mar 25 02:38:52 <cehteh> where you configure wlan and so on
Mar 25 02:38:59 <silverbullet> internet connections ?
Mar 25 02:39:02 <cehteh> yes
Mar 25 02:39:05 <silverbullet> yes that is internet connections
Mar 25 02:39:07 <silverbullet> and
Mar 25 02:39:14 <cehteh> go figure
Mar 25 02:39:21 <silverbullet> what entry should I select ?
Mar 25 02:39:55 <cehteh> your connection .. extended preferences ..
Mar 25 02:40:16 <silverbullet> gulp
Mar 25 02:40:25 <silverbullet> :)
Mar 25 02:40:28 <silverbullet> wait a sec
Mar 25 02:41:19 <silverbullet> enteries there r only "cellular data" and a bunch of wireless connections
Mar 25 02:41:33 <silverbullet> should i just click on new
Mar 25 02:41:58 <silverbullet> new only lets me configure a new WLAN connection
Mar 25 02:42:05 <silverbullet> but i'm ona usb networking mode right now
Mar 25 02:43:39 <cehteh> isnt your usb network listed there?
Mar 25 02:43:49 <silverbullet> no
Mar 25 02:44:01 <cehteh> then i dont know
Mar 25 02:44:25 <silverbullet> while the usb network is on, is it supposed to be there in the "select connection" list ?
Mar 25 02:44:29 * DigitalPioneer points to pc connectivity manager
Mar 25 02:45:12 <DigitalPioneer> will show up in settings
Mar 25 02:45:19 <silverbullet> where
Mar 25 02:45:23 <silverbullet> it doesnt
Mar 25 02:45:26 <silverbullet> what name ?
Mar 25 02:45:44 <DigitalPioneer> app manager -> install pc connectivity manager
Mar 25 02:45:52 <silverbullet> thats installed
Mar 25 02:46:20 <silverbullet> thats how i am setting my ip 192.168.2.15 is of n900, and pc gets 192.168.2.14
Mar 25 02:46:33 <silverbullet> both ways ping is a success, can use ssh also.
Mar 25 02:46:37 <silverbullet> using win7
Mar 25 02:46:55 <DigitalPioneer> settings - connections section -last entry PC_connectivity manager
Mar 25 02:47:32 <silverbullet> the last entry is the wifi network that i last used on an airport
Mar 25 02:49:00 <DigitalPioneer> hmm ok, no proxy setting there
Mar 25 02:53:18 <DigitalPioneer> I'd guess microb uing $envs like any other sane http-browser
Mar 25 02:53:30 <silverbullet> r u familiar with about:config
Mar 25 02:53:46 <silverbullet> there is a setting to specify http proxy and port
Mar 25 02:53:49 <silverbullet> i did that
Mar 25 02:54:14 <silverbullet> and still when i want to browse something it bring up that "select connection" list
Mar 25 02:54:28 <silverbullet> it should just goto my pc's proxy server! whats so complicated here
Mar 25 02:54:39 <silverbullet> does about:config requires a device reboot :p
Mar 25 02:54:40 <silverbullet> ?
Mar 25 02:55:37 <sp3000> are you using usb connection or something? I guess you could use seom dummy connection then to satisfy that bit
Mar 25 02:55:51 <sp3000> I don't quite recall how that works
Mar 25 02:56:23 <cehteh> i wont touch about:config on microb unless absolutely necessary
Mar 25 02:56:39 <cehteh> microb is but different
Mar 25 02:56:43 <cehteh> bit
Mar 25 02:56:53 <silverbullet> yea i'm on a usb network with my pc running win7. I can ping both ways and can use ssh as well.
Mar 25 02:57:09 <cehteh> as in it runs a browserd daemon which you likely have to restart
Mar 25 02:57:30 <silverbullet> now i have a lil proxy server running on the 8080 port on my pc, i just want microb to do me a favor and use that sweet port ip:port to bring the pages down to me from the web
Mar 25 02:58:01 <cehteh> why do you need the proxy server?
Mar 25 02:58:04 <cehteh> no routing?
Mar 25 02:58:10 <silverbullet> i dont know
Mar 25 02:58:16 <cehteh> lol
Mar 25 02:58:22 <silverbullet> there meaybe something wron with the win 7 :)
Mar 25 02:58:40 <silverbullet> cuz linux guys on the forums have no problem using internet through the usb networking
Mar 25 02:58:44 <silverbullet> ok tell me about routing
Mar 25 02:58:48 <cehteh> well you need routing and nat
Mar 25 02:58:50 <silverbullet> how do i try that
Mar 25 02:59:13 <cehteh> (or transpareant proxying)
Mar 25 02:59:40 <cehteh> well .. go to http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ click install and be happy
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