**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 29 02:59:57 2010 Mar 29 03:06:36 maemo.org appears to be down (to me). Can other people still see it? Mar 29 03:08:47 yea Mar 29 03:08:53 i've been on talk for about 30 minutes Mar 29 03:32:19 everything seems down on maemo.org except talk, just getting white blank pages Mar 29 03:32:34 anotnac, Yup, me too. Mar 29 03:33:44 how long as it been like it for you? i've only just tried Mar 29 03:34:01 anotnac, An hour or so. Mar 29 04:10:48 downforeveryoneorjustme.com/maemo.org Mar 29 04:11:22 Does anyone know how to find out what X11 fonts are available on the N900? The scratchbox environment appears to have fonts that are not available on the N900. Mar 29 04:12:01 find / -name '*font*' ? Mar 29 04:12:11 XD Mar 29 04:12:44 DocScrutinizer, It isn't that maemo.org is down really. It just serves blank pages for nearly everything. Mar 29 04:12:56 ooh Mar 29 04:13:18 DocScrutinizer, Can you try it? Try just the main page, maemo.org . Mar 29 04:13:50 nice clean :-S Mar 29 04:14:14 Haiku-like in its simplicity. Mar 29 04:14:19 but fast like never before X-P Mar 29 04:17:58 DocScrutinizer, find / -name '*font*' does indeed find lots of files, but they are all libraries and config files, etc. I need to know what font specifications like "-misc-fixed-medium-semicondensed--13-100-100-100-c-60-iso8859-1" are available for use on the N900. Mar 29 04:19:19 Standard linuxes have tools like xfontsel or showfont to list such things, but the N900 doesn't seem to have any such utilities. Mar 29 04:20:02 there is a fontviewer for the n900 somewhere Mar 29 04:20:10 (extras, devel whatever) Mar 29 04:20:54 dont rememberits name exactly, maybe it was 'lorem ipsum' Mar 29 04:22:15 find /|grep font Mar 29 04:22:26 cehteh, Thanks for the pointer. I'll look for it. Mar 29 04:24:42 Quick Brown Fox -- View Fonts Mar 29 04:24:53 ah that name .. Mar 29 04:25:00 something like that :) Mar 29 04:25:03 never needed it Mar 29 04:25:13 DocScrutinizer, Thanks - that does look like the thing to try. Mar 29 04:25:40 I'll download it when maemo.org comes back to life. Mar 29 04:25:54 ha Mar 29 04:26:20 Maybe it's snowing heavily in Finland. Mar 29 04:26:35 Perhaps maemo.org is really a webcam. Mar 29 04:27:03 It has been snowing today :P Mar 29 04:27:18 Gotta love the spring! :P Mar 29 04:29:21 downforeveryone says maemo'org is up, which is true just that all pages are blank with nothing on them Mar 29 04:30:16 works great via HAM Mar 29 04:30:18 just 39k. took seconds Mar 29 04:40:00 OMG - /usr/bin/gnu/find Mar 29 04:53:57 sad phone is sad Mar 29 04:54:03 * ml-mobile plugs it in Mar 29 04:55:33 X-Fade_: ping Mar 29 04:55:49 does some packages already compiled with PR1.2 SDK ? because I can't update, it need libhildon1 >=2.2.10 Mar 29 04:55:57 installed one it's 2.2.3-1 Mar 29 04:56:10 does this package is include in PR ? and not standalone package? Mar 29 04:56:17 Chiku|dc: I only encountered some from the tools Mar 29 04:56:24 I don't find it Mar 29 04:56:30 maybe on extras-devel too ? but none from testing up Mar 29 04:56:53 libhildon1 >= 2.2.10 is from PR 1.2 afaik Mar 29 04:57:33 I can't update to libhildon1 >= 2.2.10 yet? Mar 29 04:57:54 no, PR1.2 is not out yet on HAM Mar 29 04:58:00 just for the SDK Mar 29 04:58:10 what is HAM ? Mar 29 04:58:23 and that may be why some in extras-devel are already depending on it Mar 29 04:58:29 Hildon Application Manager Mar 29 04:58:32 ok Mar 29 04:58:38 ie the App. manager on your n900 Mar 29 04:59:17 I removed the extras-devel from my repos since I am sometimes doing extras-testing work Mar 29 04:59:32 and want to make sure the version I installed is the -testing and not a new -devel Mar 29 04:59:50 package managers should update their package only when PR1.2 would be released Mar 29 05:00:01 maemo.org down ? Mar 29 05:00:07 pr 1.2 ??????? Mar 29 05:00:54 maemo.org white XP - and fast like hell Mar 29 05:01:18 Chiku|dc: The auto-builder was updated so that developers could make sure updated software was available for PR1.2 Mar 29 05:01:18 Chiku|dc: I think that package managers will probably never enforce that in -devel since it is not meant for public consumption Mar 29 05:01:25 repos seem fine though Mar 29 05:01:53 Chiku|dc: Is a few days of constrained updates really the end of the world? Mar 29 05:02:30 developpers can test thier package on their N900 ? Mar 29 05:02:38 Jaffa: not if you *could* install old version still Mar 29 05:02:39 their new packages* Mar 29 05:03:14 Chiku|dc: not right now. but they can on scratchbox Mar 29 05:03:18 can we install SDK on our N900 ? Mar 29 05:03:20 oh opk Mar 29 05:03:27 and in the n900 as soon as it is releases Mar 29 05:03:35 s/s$/d/ Mar 29 05:03:52 and then the latest build will be ready for them to update and test Mar 29 05:04:47 Jaffa: from ML I get it that's not granted for all pkgs Mar 29 05:05:18 DocScrutinizer: If developer uploads new version, it's built against PR1.2 Mar 29 05:05:34 *I* understand that Mar 29 05:06:30 Jaffa: How many days exactly? Mar 29 05:06:38 but seems some devels met the pitfall Mar 29 05:07:53 DocScrutinizer: Me included. Mar 29 05:08:19 RST38h: I'd guess less than 7 :-p Mar 29 05:08:32 Jaffa: "guess" is the keyword. Mar 29 05:09:05 uhm, shouldn't the packages end up in a seperate extras-devel repo? Mar 29 05:09:08 RST38h: Can you point me to your email where you a) objected and b) suggested an alternative? Mar 29 05:09:08 fremantle-1.2 or something Mar 29 05:09:36 Stskeeps: Oh, yeah - so the old one should still be installable. It's only new packages which won't be installable. Mar 29 05:09:38 Too bad there wasn't a beta. . . . Mar 29 05:09:40 Stskeeps: ack Mar 29 05:10:19 Nokia, one step forward, two steps back, then undo the progress of the first step five steps later. Mar 29 05:10:32 yay Mar 29 05:11:55 Jaffa: I am no longer objecting or suggesting alternatives. Mar 29 05:12:04 Jaffa: It is pointless. Mar 29 05:12:20 Jaffa: so something is awry somewhere if people are getting these errors? :P Mar 29 05:12:43 RST38h: Then you're only trolling :-p Mar 29 05:12:50 I mean, what do you got to smoke to mess a repo with new unusable versions? There will be users in 4 weeks and probably in 8 weeks that simply don't update to 1.2 Mar 29 05:13:29 Jaffa: Really? :) Mar 29 05:13:30 DocScrutinizer: the idea was to freeze the old extras{-devel,-testing} and then put all packages in extras{-devel,-testing} with a different component (fremantle-1.2) Mar 29 05:13:36 so this shouldn't happen Mar 29 05:13:52 If there are versions of packages in fremantle which won't install, it's a bug. Mar 29 05:13:58 Jaffa: I mean, maemo.org people make changes to the repositories without consulting or even considering the users or developers Mar 29 05:14:02 seems freeze freezed prematurely XP Mar 29 05:14:14 Jaffa: And whoever points that out is, of course, only trolling. Mar 29 05:14:16 I.E never happened Mar 29 05:14:25 DocScrutinizer: freeze was announced and all :P Mar 29 05:14:31 RST38h: Except in this case, where it WAS discussed and users & developers WERE considered :-p Mar 29 05:14:35 and was meant so people could get things ready for PR1.2 Mar 29 05:14:36 oh great Mar 29 05:15:25 so something went wrong in implementation Mar 29 05:15:30 please devels stop all commits, as we at nokia don't get it sorted Mar 29 05:15:48 Jaffa: And it has been decided to basically shut down software submission process to Extras until PR1.2 is out? :) Mar 29 05:16:12 * RST38h shrugs and goes off to feed the kid Mar 29 05:16:15 nice freeze Mar 29 05:16:28 Look, I think this had its problems, but it is not like it is super dramatic. Then again I am new to the community, so maybe I am more naive and more laid back. Only -devel and the tools repos seem to have non installable packages. I don't like it, but I don't think it is _that_ bad. Mar 29 05:16:47 tools repo you shouldn't have on your device Mar 29 05:16:56 njsf: You are new to the community. Mar 29 05:17:08 Stskeeps: orly? Mar 29 05:17:18 X-Fade_: DocScrutinizer: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-February/024876.html Mar 29 05:17:29 I am new to the community... Mar 29 05:17:30 s/X-Fade_/RST38h/ Mar 29 05:17:31 Jaffa meant: RST38h: DocScrutinizer: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-February/024876.html Mar 29 05:18:03 DocScrutinizer: it isn't a freeze as such, it just redirects into pr1.2 repo instead. Mar 29 05:18:10 which makes sense if you read the discussion. Mar 29 05:18:27 this is what should have happened, which seemingily didn't Mar 29 05:18:27 :P Mar 29 05:18:32 Hell, it was even on the front page of MWKN: http://mwkn.net/2010/09/front.html Mar 29 05:18:39 and people are getting errors from extras-devel Mar 29 05:18:43 seems this doesn't work, or there's no such thing like 1.2repo at all Mar 29 05:19:10 there might be in extras and extras-testing Mar 29 05:19:13 DocScrutinizer: Well, there is: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle-1.2/ Mar 29 05:19:21 ooh Mar 29 05:19:47 either way, if you have extras-devel enabled, you're at fault yourself :P Mar 29 05:19:48 then there's a bug that should be fixed instantly Mar 29 05:20:28 DocScrutinizer: If packages are being built with PR1.2 SDK and going into "fremantle", yes - it's a bug; and should be raised as a high priority issue ASAP Mar 29 05:21:03 * DocScrutinizer hopes jebba has stopped syncing his mirrors just in time Mar 29 05:22:34 * Jaffa 's not seen this bug since he's not enabled -devel in the past few days. Mar 29 05:22:46 DocScrutinizer: Let me know the bug number when it's raised Mar 29 05:22:59 Stskeeps: (tools repo) where's strace, gdb, etc from? Mar 29 05:23:39 ok, tools repo might work but not sdk :P Mar 29 05:23:43 Jaffa: well, *I* haven't encountered the issue yet Mar 29 05:23:57 OK, so we're all going off hearsay and there might not be a bug at all. Mar 29 05:24:17 Only thing I've seen is a *new* package from qwerty12 isn't installable; which makes sense because there's no old version to install Mar 29 05:24:47 on ML there are reports though. Here in chan I seem to read one just 20min ago Mar 29 05:25:32 on extras/extras-testing this shouldn't happen, but extras-devel we'd have to assume errors will happen Mar 29 05:25:36 I have only seen Crash Reporter from tools, but that is ok, since no plans were done for it. the only trouble was that it was not able to send reports because someone had screwed up the layout at the server, but since Fri it was all good Mar 29 05:25:51 no issues with extras-testing for sure, I have it enabled Mar 29 05:25:56 Stskeeps: ? Mar 29 05:26:03 DocScrutinizer: URL? Mar 29 05:26:19 I do not have extras devel enabled, but could quickly enable to see Mar 29 05:26:32 Jaffa: i think the part about extras-devel being pr1.2 already was noted in a mail somewhere now that i think of it Mar 29 05:26:33 Jaffa: of what? Mar 29 05:26:54 DocScrutinizer: ML report Mar 29 05:27:00 ML, I mentioned that above Mar 29 05:27:29 DocScrutinizer: OK, I'll find it myself. What was the subject? Mar 29 05:27:37 hmm Mar 29 05:27:43 mompls Mar 29 05:29:11 DocScrutinizer: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-March/025593.html ? Mar 29 05:29:21 yesterday evening my n900 suddenly died while being charged with a common nokia charger + adapter, batterygraph shows a hard drop in voltage at that time, and the device wouldn't boot again until I let it recharge for 20 minutes or so, and even then it soon shut down again :) Mar 29 05:29:28 moroning Mar 29 05:29:29 I think the charger wasn't powerful enough or something.. Mar 29 05:29:39 DocScrutinizer: Stskeeps:That doesn't seem to be a report though, just an "AIUI" Mar 29 05:30:00 Jaffa: yes, this thread at least Mar 29 05:30:15 DocScrutinizer: That's the most relevant mail I could find. Mar 29 05:31:21 Jaffa: [2010-03-29 06:55:48] does some packages already compiled with PR1.2 SDK ? because I can't update, it need libhildon1 >=2.2.10 Mar 29 05:32:34 thresh: moorning Mar 29 05:32:39 I think that's how this topic started 30min ago Mar 29 05:32:51 * Jaffa wonders if it's non-free causing trouble Mar 29 05:32:52 RST38h: 'mourning' as well ;-( Mar 29 05:33:29 Chiku|dc: What package, exactly, couldn't you install? Mar 29 05:33:47 thresh: Are we having another spring complication? =) Mar 29 05:33:55 DocScrutinizer: So, we've got one reference to work with. Fortunately, he's nearby ;-) Mar 29 05:34:14 Oh sweet, concerned citizens appear to max out rbc.ru bandwidth =) Mar 29 05:34:18 RST38h: Did you see the links as to why this wasn't "unannounced" BTW? Mar 29 05:34:53 RST38h: lenta.ru as well Mar 29 05:35:20 called my sis and told her to forget about entering Komsomolskaya on vokzal and get a train home Mar 29 05:35:29 Jaffa: I never claimed it was unannounced. I claimed interests of users and developers were not considered. Mar 29 05:35:58 thresh: Just got two phone calls urging me to avoid Mar 29 05:36:17 RST38h: chechnyans? Mar 29 05:36:27 tybollt: Some dumbfucks Mar 29 05:36:34 can't update "Tuner": missing packets libhildon1(>=2.2.10), libplxman-1.0(>=0.15.16) Mar 29 05:36:35 tybollt: Can be anyone, as a matter of fact. Mar 29 05:36:43 All my packages from -devel that I could update are fine Mar 29 05:36:49 sorry for not telling the truth ;-P Mar 29 05:37:16 but then again I may just not have the problematic ones installed to begin with Mar 29 05:37:33 anyway I'll gonna have a nap now, so ticket is up to somebody else Mar 29 05:38:35 aah, Tuner-0.1.3 Mar 29 05:38:53 thresh: gzt.ru ok, guess it is not popular enough Mar 29 05:38:59 Jaffa: ^^^ Mar 29 05:41:34 (truth) probably caused by low priority of Tuner for my daily usage Mar 29 05:42:06 cnn has definately gone down the drain.. two bombs at metro stations in moscow and not a single mention on the front page Mar 29 05:42:21 they do now Mar 29 05:43:02 Stskeeps: why would cnn care? Mar 29 05:43:06 It is not NYC... Mar 29 05:43:13 ah, international site Mar 29 05:43:21 the line that was blasted is like RER B in Paris Mar 29 05:43:42 the one connecting the main transfer points of city with railroad stations Mar 29 05:48:23 cable tv news stations is just propaganda. get over it, search other news sources Mar 29 05:48:33 like...tweeter? :) Mar 29 05:48:48 ok, I should have said better news sources Mar 29 05:48:55 like...what? Mar 29 05:49:03 njsf_: yeah, i normally do when i can't get things confirmed Mar 29 05:49:07 unfortunately we don't have access to a camera systems in Moscow metro Mar 29 05:50:14 thresh: Well, someone does, gzt.ru has shots from cctv cameras Mar 29 05:50:20 since when have camera systems ever been helpful in preeventing stuff like this ? Mar 29 05:50:25 rbc as well, but still Mar 29 05:50:41 njsf_: i doubt anything is helpful in preventing bombing Mar 29 05:51:20 thresh: Which makes bombings so profitable for law enforcement: they can ask for any amount of resources to prevent them =) Mar 29 05:51:29 moscow's gonna sit in traffic jams today Mar 29 05:51:33 RST38h: yeah... :-| Mar 29 05:51:48 roads are closed near bombed stations Mar 29 05:51:53 RST38h: these bombing come at a very convenient time for Putin indeed... Mar 29 05:52:06 tybollt: And what is this time? =) Mar 29 05:52:10 same Mar 29 05:52:15 RST38h: which raises the question who has most profit from bombing, and if that's maybe the bomber as well Mar 29 05:52:28 RST38h: I heard last week domestic support for Putin was at an all time low... Mar 29 05:52:47 RST38h: Sorry, yes. You said "not consulted". But there was a full consultation last month Mar 29 05:52:51 tybollt: Are you sure another 30+ corpses are going to improve that? :) Mar 29 05:52:51 DocScrutinizer: ta Mar 29 05:53:05 Jaffa: np Mar 29 05:53:17 tybollt: not really an issue, since government controls every TV channel. They can raise it to higher values in a month Mar 29 05:53:29 meh... Mar 29 05:54:09 Anyways, IMHO it is seasonal. Psychos go bonkers every spring/autumn Mar 29 05:54:33 psychos don't really go in organized groups blasting everything around Mar 29 05:54:35 And there is a lot of these around, don't even have to import 'em from Chechnya Mar 29 05:54:41 thresh: Actually, they do =) Mar 29 05:54:50 especially metro stations aside FSB main building Mar 29 05:55:03 thresh: Yea, that was a nice touch Mar 29 05:56:23 n8 Mar 29 05:56:44 yeah, tweeter and lepra are now full of 'no, there was a third explosion, a friends of mine called and they did see it'-like messages Mar 29 05:57:06 of course, officials will deny it not to cause another panic wave Mar 29 05:57:39 yes, panic bad, but fear is healthy... Mar 29 05:57:42 thresh: no, it is on rbc Mar 29 05:57:54 the hallmark of good population manipulation Mar 29 05:58:00 njsf_: you cant really control fear in 20M city Mar 29 05:58:09 thresh: 15 :) Mar 29 05:58:21 ohhhh not thinking of control, rather instill Mar 29 05:58:21 20 is really an upper bound, I doubt it is reached yet Mar 29 05:58:39 njsf: There is no fear here. Fear was in 90s. Mar 29 05:59:10 njsf: Having said that, people will of course avoid metro today, so traffic jams are granted Mar 29 05:59:24 I think you just proved my point Mar 29 05:59:25 okay Mar 29 05:59:44 and it is past my bed time... cya... 2am and I should be up in 4hrs Mar 29 06:03:17 morning tekojo! Mar 29 06:04:22 Morning Stskeeps! Mar 29 06:04:31 and everyone else Mar 29 06:05:26 * tekojo looks at request to reboot and get's coffee Mar 29 06:08:06 DocScrutinizer: Stskeeps: We should check tuner's source; it could've been packaged by a dev using PR1.2 rather than that dep being introduced by builder. Mar 29 06:08:45 * Jaffa assumes X-Fade_ will be too busy dealing with brokenness (tekojo too) to investigate as first priority. Mar 29 06:09:17 * Jaffa wonders if there was a window whilst PR1.2 SDK was pointing at 'fremantle' rather than 'fremantle-1.2' Mar 29 06:10:21 * Stskeeps watches his OBS-emulated fremantle build snail away Mar 29 06:21:08 17 Mar 29 06:31:37 maemo.org website seems to be down Mar 29 06:36:35 still? Mar 29 06:37:35 yes Mar 29 06:44:13 It's up, but empty =) Mar 29 06:44:20 god I'm so bored Mar 29 06:45:03 n900's at the local depot ¬¬ Mar 29 06:45:25 tekojo: Can we have a mail or something we can refer to about the outage? Mar 29 06:45:34 oh, someone updating us with the geographical status of his n900? Mar 29 06:45:36 crashanddie: how's it going, mate? Mar 29 06:45:53 Jaffa, what outage? Mar 29 06:46:24 maemo.org's empty Mar 29 06:46:25 :P Mar 29 06:46:29 ah, the one that is there now Mar 29 06:46:34 tekojo: err, http://maemo.org ;-) Mar 29 06:47:50 tekojo: I'm gussing X-Fade_ isn't up/in/available yet, or is working frantically (still 30s for an email shouldn't be too much for anyone) Mar 29 06:48:26 Called the helpline, they are looking at it Mar 29 06:48:39 tekojo: cool Mar 29 06:48:40 When did it start? Mar 29 06:48:55 At least 2.5 hours ago Mar 29 06:49:05 seriously? Mar 29 06:49:15 time for an angry email :) Mar 29 06:49:31 * Jaffa 's mwkn "resolve the names of maemo.org users and calculate download chart" failed at 0430 UTC Mar 29 06:49:33 yay for monitoring Mar 29 06:49:34 or actually call, that's too long for an angry e-mail Mar 29 06:50:16 I only logged directly to garage this morning, didn't look at the main page :/ Mar 29 06:51:15 the browser Mar 29 06:51:19 mouse Mar 29 06:51:23 how enable? Mar 29 06:51:30 i always forget. :D Mar 29 06:51:38 FIQ: left side of scree, slide tfrom it Mar 29 06:51:58 most of you just use the built in browser then? Mar 29 06:52:07 yeah Mar 29 06:52:17 after pr1.1/1.1.1 it wasn't that shit anymore Mar 29 06:52:18 :P Mar 29 06:52:35 want firefox for weave sync, find browsing while mobile annoying without my bookmarks and passwords Mar 29 06:52:40 it's the most unstable browser i've used, ever Mar 29 06:52:44 hear it's painful though Mar 29 06:52:55 FIQ: worse than firefox with flash enabled? :P Mar 29 06:53:06 hm, dunno Mar 29 06:53:15 * FIQ wants opera anyway Mar 29 06:53:21 hm Mar 29 06:53:22 I've never had the browser crash on me Mar 29 06:53:25 probably better than anything I'm used to on windows mobile Mar 29 06:53:33 and the only thing that causes it to crash is flash, I suspect Mar 29 06:53:36 that slide didn't work Mar 29 06:53:42 ... rly? ;o Mar 29 06:53:44 you fail Mar 29 06:53:57 mine crash m ore than 2 times a day Mar 29 06:53:57 I haven't had the browser crash in my daily use device either. Mar 29 06:54:12 just read up on gestures and stop moaning Mar 29 06:54:20 FIQ: i had my first crash in 2-3 months yesterday Mar 29 06:54:31 :( Mar 29 06:54:42 cheaters. :D Mar 29 06:55:38 FIQ: You've broken it yourself ;) Mar 29 06:55:41 well, it crashes 2 times a day and "half-fails" 5-10 Mar 29 06:55:50 awesome. :p Mar 29 06:55:52 stop browsing porn Mar 29 06:55:58 i don't Mar 29 06:56:02 :o Mar 29 06:56:06 installed much devel-software? Mar 29 06:56:08 Stop installing everything you find in extras-devel :) Mar 29 06:56:25 i don't install everything Mar 29 06:56:36 but yeah, think that's causing problems Mar 29 06:56:41 so stop bitching Mar 29 06:56:45 kthxbai Mar 29 06:56:48 never understandt why though Mar 29 06:56:57 because it says "DEVEL"? Mar 29 06:57:20 oh, no, not that Mar 29 06:57:36 just mean, don't understand how it makes the browser fail Mar 29 06:57:37 :p Mar 29 06:58:01 i know i'm installing too much at -devel Mar 29 06:58:50 hm, how does on hover works at microB? Mar 29 06:58:55 as onclick? Mar 29 06:59:14 hover works when you pull out the mouse Mar 29 06:59:20 otherwise it's onclick Mar 29 06:59:24 hm Mar 29 06:59:25 (when just taping) Mar 29 07:02:21 Hey Sampppa, how's the weather in Espoo these days? Mar 29 07:02:58 dark :) Mar 29 07:03:16 snowing and everyone's pissed off Mar 29 07:03:18 well i dont know about espoo but at least in helsinki :) Mar 29 07:03:19 =) Mar 29 07:04:19 I thought you eskimos were used to the snow? Mar 29 07:04:42 of course but its raining now Mar 29 07:04:54 :) Mar 29 07:04:54 it's nice in december Mar 29 07:05:19 visz: south of france had 40cm of snow 3 weeks ago ;) Mar 29 07:05:28 i'm in espoo and i can see snowflakes from my window Mar 29 07:05:32 it has been too much snow this winter Mar 29 07:05:34 :( Mar 29 07:05:41 they turn to water soon enough though Mar 29 07:05:49 it's quite funny Mar 29 07:05:53 who killed maemo.org Mar 29 07:05:55 crashanddie_, (9:00); lumen syvyys 51 cm; = snow depth 51cm Mar 29 07:06:00 this morning in helsinki Mar 29 07:06:14 europe and US have received massive amounts of snow this winter Mar 29 07:06:47 and in the southern hemisphere, massive rain and friggin iceballs Mar 29 07:06:55 yeah, i heard they even had snow in spain Mar 29 07:07:21 no more maemo.org Mar 29 07:07:31 :< Mar 29 07:07:38 what you mean no more? Mar 29 07:07:39 im in sweden, and i dont think i have ever seen this much snow in my entire life (here) Mar 29 07:07:41 visz: yeah, over around christmas I was stuck in the south of france / northern spain for 3 days because of too much snow in the UK, then got stuck in a snowstorm in the south of france Mar 29 07:07:53 =) Mar 29 07:07:54 dvoid_: indeed Mar 29 07:08:06 yeah, snow in winter. how unexpected is that! Mar 29 07:08:13 yea :D Mar 29 07:08:23 thresh: in south of France/Spain? Quite Mar 29 07:08:23 last 10 years has been just rain Mar 29 07:08:31 crashanddie_: wussies ;p Mar 29 07:08:41 thresh: 30 cm in Belgium? Haven't seen that in 40 years Mar 29 07:08:49 cold-- Mar 29 07:09:02 now you feel our pain then. Mar 29 07:09:05 thresh: 40cm in the plains in the South of France? In friggin march? that has never been recorded! Mar 29 07:09:08 hot-- too come to think of it Mar 29 07:09:13 just don't make me go outside ever :( Mar 29 07:10:11 Not that I believe in global warming or anything, I'm just thinking too many people have been watching the day after tomorrow, and the gods have taken notice Mar 29 07:10:54 Or maybe Iceman was really pissed off because Rogue dumped him. Mar 29 07:11:20 either way, it's that time of the day again, going back to the hotel, catch ya later. Mar 29 07:18:25 good morning Mar 29 07:26:42 hmm...after yesterday's incident it seems the battery doesn't charge beyond 60%? weird :( Mar 29 07:28:04 or, uh, nevermind, I think it was just batterygraph messing up Mar 29 07:28:09 hummz, maemo.org gives me an empty page :S Mar 29 07:28:18 me too Mar 29 07:28:19 is being looked at Mar 29 07:29:15 . Mar 29 07:29:17 I wonder if batterygraph is working properly...I updated it on a bus yesterday and now it seems to show battery charge jumping from 60% to 95% in a minute or something, just a steep vertical step there Mar 29 07:29:21 -. Mar 29 07:34:41 burrp Mar 29 07:36:58 * RST38h is back Mar 29 07:37:26 joga: enable "Charger", see if it has been charging ion that period Mar 29 07:38:44 RST38h: the cyan "Charge" line in the graph has the same form as the red "Percent" line, and they go in tandem Mar 29 07:38:56 oh, you meant charger Mar 29 07:39:06 joga: you want to see if device has been charging Mar 29 07:39:10 well...it seems to have charged weirdly Mar 29 07:39:19 then it is ok Mar 29 07:39:22 I *did* put it to charge immediately when I came to work Mar 29 07:40:23 hmm... though now that I look at it closer, I think it has charged all this time, it's just that there's a nearly 1 hour period where it's supposedly charging but charge or percentage has not gone up at all, and then they suddenly peak Mar 29 08:10:21 Site has been back to normal for a while now Mar 29 08:10:40 seems like a cache file got corrupted to size 0 Mar 29 08:15:30 n810: how do you use cmake to 'make' things like screen? Mar 29 08:15:51 I have sources, but cannot understand how cmake works Mar 29 08:16:06 cmake . Mar 29 08:16:07 make Mar 29 08:16:59 gmake Mar 29 08:17:08 nmake =) Mar 29 08:18:18 cmake . = make cmake install . = make install + Mar 29 08:18:21 ? Mar 29 08:18:42 cmake . = ./configure Mar 29 08:19:28 hmm Mar 29 08:19:39 QtIrrecco can't update either! Mar 29 08:21:32 apparently, I got wrong .tar.gz-package from debian, it does not contain CMakeLists.txt Mar 29 08:22:51 how do I know which packages contain CMakeLIsts.txt -file? Mar 29 08:25:28 morning Mar 29 08:26:03 heoa: at debian you can look into file lists at packagegs.debian.org Mar 29 08:31:27 if my maemo application uses gstreamer, can i also use libcanberra to play audio "sound effects"? Mar 29 08:46:23 * noobmonk3y waves Mar 29 08:50:54 sigh Mar 29 08:50:56 worst morning Mar 29 08:51:04 it's monday, of course it's bad Mar 29 08:51:04 :P Mar 29 08:51:11 my n900's case has vanished Mar 29 08:51:18 n00bmunkey: To be honest I never used my Gwave account... :-| Mar 29 08:51:19 literally completely gone :< Mar 29 08:51:39 nidO: ? How? Mar 29 08:52:01 I mean do you leave your N900 outside on the porch over night? Mar 29 08:52:11 I have no clue. came home at like midnight last night and know I had it when I walked into my apartment. Mar 29 08:52:26 put the phone on my stand when I went to bed, sans case as normal Mar 29 08:52:30 this morning, no case anywhere Mar 29 08:53:16 ehr by case you mean like a belt case or whatever? Mar 29 08:53:22 not the actual phone housing? Mar 29 08:54:26 ah yea sorry just a leather case for it :P Mar 29 08:55:02 I thought - all of a sudden - you had a piece of circuit board on your stand there :) Mar 29 08:55:27 thankfully my monday morning isnt quite *that* bad :> Mar 29 08:56:29 nidO: worst? Mar 29 08:56:42 ouch Mar 29 08:56:44 just read up lol Mar 29 08:57:28 havnt got round to getting a decent case yet :)- still use a £1.50 slip on sock case :P - Mar 29 08:58:06 the leather case I got was just a £3.50 piece of crap off ebay I was just gonna use for a month till I could get an easecase when they came back off holiday Mar 29 08:58:18 but when it arrived it turned out to be really decent so I just stuck with it Mar 29 09:00:31 and as it seems to have vanished, iv now ordered 2 more \o/ Mar 29 09:01:36 awwwwwww Mar 29 09:11:55 Anybody can tell me where I can find the latest correct package categories for Diablo? This link: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories shows an incorrect list Mar 29 09:13:54 zap: Incorrect list? Mar 29 09:13:59 yep Mar 29 09:14:12 user/utilites, for example, shows as "utilites" in my Russian Maemo Mar 29 09:14:19 it's an unrecognized category Mar 29 09:14:54 it seems the list in wiki is a project that has been never implemented Mar 29 09:14:58 That is expected. Mar 29 09:14:59 Indeed. Mar 29 09:15:10 There has never been an update after we set that. Mar 29 09:16:01 so the rules from maemo3 still apply? Mar 29 09:17:17 zap: Well, in the repository we enforce the new ones. Mar 29 09:17:48 cool :) so thats why I was wondering autobuilder told me that "user/tools" is a non-standard category Mar 29 09:18:22 We decided that our list was more sane. And hoped diablo would get another update. Mar 29 09:18:31 brannigan! Mar 29 09:18:40 Which didn't happen. But the community SSU can do that perhaps :) Mar 29 09:19:40 tybollt: wazzup, sonny? Mar 29 09:20:11 X-Fade: Can you point me to the extras-testing repository for diablo? Mar 29 09:20:26 lo wazd Mar 29 09:21:07 Stskeeps: heya Mar 29 09:21:46 wazd: good to see nothing happened to you :P Mar 29 09:21:58 zap: there is none. Mar 29 09:22:02 Stskeeps: dude, I'm shocked Mar 29 09:22:14 Stskeeps: I seriously could be there today Mar 29 09:22:21 wazd: :nod: Mar 29 09:22:22 X-Fade: then where the built .deb files are? I want to test it Mar 29 09:22:28 zap: extras-devel Mar 29 09:22:32 ah Mar 29 09:23:02 ahem Mar 29 09:23:10 there's no bash3 package in extras-devel Mar 29 09:23:14 Stskeeps: cause I wanted to go to buy headphones in the early morning, and "Park Kultury" is my changing station Mar 29 09:23:18 holy crap Mar 29 09:23:19 wazd: ouch :-/ what are your thought Mar 29 09:23:20 s Mar 29 09:23:33 zap: Takes a while, let me check. Mar 29 09:23:48 well, it was built at 27 march Mar 29 09:24:06 zap: Then I need to check even more ;) Mar 29 09:24:10 :)) Mar 29 09:24:17 can you delete the 'bash' package then? Mar 29 09:24:21 wazd: still good to see you're okay though :P was wondering about it when reading Mar 29 09:24:26 I renamed it to bash3 to avoid maintainer conflicts Mar 29 09:24:49 I see it in the pool dir a least. Mar 29 09:25:05 X-Fade: here? http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/b/ Mar 29 09:25:25 Stskeeps: well, I was a bit surprised to receive like 7 phonecalls in a row Mar 29 09:25:39 and then they shut down the mobile network? :P Mar 29 09:25:44 is it a caching webserver issue again? Mar 29 09:26:11 zap: Yes, I see it in the staging repo. But let me see if it has been pushed to the public one. Mar 29 09:27:28 Stskeeps: we had a network shutdown once, when one powerstation node burned down :) Mar 29 09:30:48 * timeless goes off to hunt a Qt person Mar 29 09:30:56 #qt Mar 29 09:30:59 :D Mar 29 09:31:02 :( Mar 29 09:31:04 #qt-maemo? Mar 29 09:33:47 nidO: what case doy ou use? Mar 29 09:34:16 this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280476080517 Mar 29 09:38:26 nidO: velcro/magnet? Mar 29 09:39:11 its a hidden magnet in the leather. doesnt interfere with the screen though, only magnets that're at the bottom of the phone (when held in portrait) trigger the screen, that ^ case just has a single one in the middle Mar 29 09:40:32 ah nice Mar 29 09:44:08 zap: Ok, found the issue. Should be available now/soon. Mar 29 09:49:53 ooo nidO - that one looks quite good - has it got holes in the right places so to speak? Mar 29 09:50:46 no, it's essentially a carry case only - the ports are all covered and the device isnt usable in the case as the front cover covers the entire screen/keyboard area Mar 29 09:51:24 its amazingly well made for £4.50 though, I was expecting some piece of crap that fell apart in no time but the leather's not bad, it's microfibre lined, and the stitching's really good Mar 29 09:51:38 :D Mar 29 10:11:06 how is it supposed to develop a gps-based software to maemo? can't test it with xephyr, or can i? Mar 29 10:12:43 you have no hardware? Mar 29 10:13:10 you have the normal sdk? Mar 29 10:24:18 Rabidus, easiest way is to write small timer that will call "changed" callback every now and then with some fake coordinate values Mar 29 10:27:07 SpeedEvil, what is abnormal sdk? :) I have Maemo 5 SDK Mar 29 10:27:50 and yes, i have hardware, but it's not so handy to copy from pc to n900 just to try Mar 29 10:27:54 it takes several minutes Mar 29 10:28:07 just copy the bin Mar 29 10:28:10 anyway Mar 29 10:28:27 look at osm2go et al Mar 29 10:28:42 some can use gpsd as a backend too Mar 29 10:28:54 that supports a fake gps device Mar 29 10:29:17 :O Mar 29 10:29:20 oh thanks Mar 29 10:30:13 or just fake it internally- add rand() metres to lat eack tick Mar 29 10:30:15 or just fake it internally- add rand() metres to lat eack tick Mar 29 10:30:17 oops Mar 29 10:30:26 anybody have an opinion which gamma value for the maemo display is suitable? Mar 29 10:31:24 if it turns you into the hulk, you've gone too far. Mar 29 10:31:34 :) Mar 29 10:31:48 i just want some nice intense colors Mar 29 10:32:14 gamma-emitting-diode display?:) Mar 29 10:34:13 It could be under emergency call options. Mar 29 10:34:25 dial hulk Mar 29 10:34:30 yep. Mar 29 10:34:37 now i have such a nice wallpaper Mar 29 10:34:38 turn user into hulk. Mar 29 10:34:42 that i don't want any widgets Mar 29 10:36:14 updating wallpaper Mar 29 10:36:20 self-updating Mar 29 10:41:21 somehow upstart didn't start my script Mar 29 10:41:25 on boot Mar 29 10:41:36 also, somehow the phone was off this morning Mar 29 10:43:17 It's 6am. Do you know where your ssh keys are? Mar 29 10:48:53 * corecode nods Mar 29 10:49:05 6am? Mar 29 10:52:48 X-Fade: Tested package, how do I push it into extras? http://maemo.org/packages/view/bash3/ Mar 29 10:53:12 zap: Go to the armel version and click on Promote Mar 29 10:53:33 No promote button :( Mar 29 10:53:45 There's a "Warning: This package is not using one of the allowed user/* sections!" Mar 29 10:53:52 maybe it prevents the button from appearing? Mar 29 10:53:59 Yes, it does. Mar 29 10:54:10 you've also got no bugtracker link specified, you can promote it to -testing without one but it wont make it to extras Mar 29 10:54:15 X-Fade: and what do I do? Mar 29 10:54:26 nidO: Not required for diablo. Mar 29 10:54:30 zap: user/utils? Mar 29 10:54:43 RST38h: user/utils is not recognized by Application Manager Mar 29 10:54:45 ah, I was looking at his fremantle package Mar 29 10:55:26 Hmm ok, It seem I need to exclude bugtracker checking for diablo. Mar 29 10:55:30 Let me fix that. Mar 29 10:55:32 zap: a moment Mar 29 10:55:48 RST38h: see my discussion with X-Fade a few pages up Mar 29 10:55:54 regarding categories Mar 29 10:56:01 Ah no, was looking at the fremantle version too :) Mar 29 10:56:42 zap: http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/packaging-devel.html Mar 29 10:56:52 zap: user/tools. Mar 29 10:57:04 RST38h: it's user/tools already Mar 29 10:57:14 Section: Mar 29 10:57:15 user/tools Mar 29 10:57:32 weird Mar 29 10:57:36 * RST38h reads back, carefully Mar 29 10:57:47 We use the new categories. Mar 29 10:58:19 so, for fremantle package to get through I need a bugtracker link? Mar 29 10:58:35 yes Mar 29 10:58:43 now you do. Mar 29 11:06:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g900r_Fk8xE Mar 29 11:07:16 that looks severely faked to me Mar 29 11:09:29 looks like a rdesktop session :) Mar 29 11:09:31 anyone knows how to sign up for a google soc project? Mar 29 11:09:50 yeah its clearly just vnc'ing to the n900 Mar 29 11:10:28 atiti, http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs Mar 29 11:11:11 thx VDVsx Mar 29 11:11:59 hmm it was suicide acts... chechnya - (russia) in u'r chcecnya killin u'r dudes Mar 29 11:12:26 huh? Mar 29 11:12:33 i dunno i read it like 3 times Mar 29 11:13:09 synatx error 2 Mar 29 11:14:22 yeah, -ECANTPARSE Mar 29 11:15:05 not well formed. has neither dtd nor schema defined Mar 29 11:15:13 broken links Mar 29 11:17:56 BASIC? Mar 29 11:18:28 or FOCAL Mar 29 11:18:42 xchat refuses to add #maemo to fav list grrr Mar 29 11:18:51 105 AH FOCAL Mar 29 11:19:06 ech0dish: it is trying to tell you something Mar 29 11:19:51 Reuters makes unusual headline: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62S1GF20100329 Mar 29 11:21:05 hi Mar 29 11:21:17 does maemo sdk support wifi/bluetooth Mar 29 11:21:18 ? Mar 29 11:21:32 no, not the sdk Mar 29 11:21:51 so we need device to code and test Mar 29 11:21:52 right ? Mar 29 11:21:59 I think hrw made a more complete emulation of n810 once, it supported these Mar 29 11:22:08 i think so, my app would be useless on the sdk :( - which is why i dont use it :( Mar 29 11:22:28 SDK is pretty useless to test/debug stuff anyway, so do not put too much trust into it Mar 29 11:22:35 okay Mar 29 11:22:52 the device is the way forward :D (I code on mine, saves the hassle of everything else, hehe) Mar 29 11:23:13 i am with an idea to develop ad-hoc telephony support Mar 29 11:23:42 atm, tracker is only used for the media tag indexing on the n900, right? Mar 29 11:24:48 t3rm1n4l: you lost me already ;) Mar 29 11:24:48 images too Mar 29 11:25:53 RST38h: ahh Mar 29 11:34:08 heh Mar 29 11:36:14 I meant Mar 29 11:36:16 tybollt: sounds fun! Mar 29 11:36:24 err i mean t3rm1n4l Mar 29 11:36:33 it looks like it's the chechnyans after all Mar 29 11:36:36 soon we'll have Mar 29 11:37:07 (russia) in ur base killin ur dudes... Mar 29 11:37:10 Appiah: I didnt get you Mar 29 11:37:14 base being chechnya :) Mar 29 11:38:33 t3rm1n4l: ad-hoc telephony support? Mar 29 11:38:43 t3rm1n4l: is that a fancy way of saying talkie-walkie? Mar 29 11:38:47 yes Mar 29 11:38:54 through wifi/bluetooth Mar 29 11:38:54 then why don't you just say that? Mar 29 11:38:59 not bluetooth Mar 29 11:39:07 bluetooth would be limited to 3-4 meters Mar 29 11:39:07 :) Mar 29 11:39:14 wifi maybe, but then again, pretty limited Mar 29 11:39:26 mhhh. is the libqttracker master branch supposed to compile? Mar 29 11:39:30 do you have two n900s? Mar 29 11:39:37 i dont have Mar 29 11:39:48 that is why i asked whether sdk supports that Mar 29 11:39:56 sdk? Mar 29 11:40:00 what sdk? Mar 29 11:40:05 Maemo SDK Mar 29 11:40:08 there's an SDK now? Mar 29 11:40:13 i mean the VM Mar 29 11:40:26 no, scratchbox doesn't support that Mar 29 11:40:37 http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html Mar 29 11:41:06 Appiah: it's going to need quite a few software revisions and changes before I start calling it an SDK ;) Mar 29 11:41:18 crashanddie: ok Mar 29 11:41:27 throwing together a bunch of libraries and then telling people "TADA, an SDK!" Mar 29 11:41:45 So whats missing from it to be a "real" sdk? Mar 29 11:42:04 only launched it to compile a few things Mar 29 11:42:05 Unified API, a recommendation on the language to use, unified documentation Mar 29 11:42:10 for starters Mar 29 11:42:24 http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_api_documentation/ whats wrong with that API ? Mar 29 11:43:01 then we could build forth, going with maybe a small IDE editor and then finally maybe, who knows, even a GUI editor? All packaged nicely in a single product that can be installed on multiple platforms? Mar 29 11:47:51 crashanddie, is http://doc.trolltech.com/ ok? :) Mar 29 11:48:07 Meh, I guess some politicians will never learn: don't go use your computer when drunk Mar 29 11:48:17 Or you might end up saying like this: "Anime is a prime example of why two nukes just wasn't enough." Mar 29 11:48:26 mh. I really don't get this. I'd like to compile libqttracker on my desktop, and I've got both qt 4.6 as well as python 2.6, and it says these are the only dependencies. I do qmake (which doesn't output anything) and then make and then it fails miserably because of billions of errors like "/usr/include/QtCore/qsequentialanimationgroup.h:86: error: ‘d_ptr’ was not declared in this scope" Mar 29 11:49:09 Shapeshifter: not that I've used Qt in a long time, but doesn't qmake replace make altogether? Mar 29 11:49:38 Shapeshifter: because that looks strangely like an inclusion or path problem that qmake could figure out Mar 29 11:49:52 crashanddie: the install instructions from libqttracker tell me otherwise (namely qmake && make) Mar 29 11:49:57 hmm Mar 29 11:50:03 nevermind then, I'll stfu Mar 29 11:50:22 just to be sure: have you tried switching it off and on again? Mar 29 11:50:35 crashanddie: me? Mar 29 11:51:08 no, the serial killer in your attic complaining the chainsaw doesn't seem to be working properly Mar 29 11:51:45 what would I need to switch off and on again?? I'm compiling it on my desktop. Mar 29 11:51:46 Shapeshifter, where is your qt installed? Mar 29 11:52:03 <_gpg_> hi Mar 29 11:52:44 Anss|: /usr/lib/qt (well, the libs are, other stuff is in other places where they belong) Mar 29 11:53:25 and you have qt 4.7? Mar 29 11:53:32 4.6 Mar 29 11:53:35 Anss|: qt 4.6 I have Mar 29 11:53:49 Anss|: and includes are in /usr/include/ Mar 29 11:54:42 you are using default qmake i assume because that is not default installation path Mar 29 11:54:50 <_gpg_> Is there any failsoft system mode in maemo ? i mean modes when the system halts to make flash repair, batery is low etc Mar 29 11:55:02 Anss|: not default installation path? since when? it even says this exact path in the error Mar 29 11:55:33 _gpg_ press u + plugin = flasher mode, regardless of how much you screw up the os Mar 29 11:55:44 sdk goes under different path iirc Mar 29 11:56:20 Anss|: sdk?? Pause. This is a desktop computer. It has archlinux installed on it. libqttracker is just yet another qt/tracker related project. it's not maemo specific in any way. Mar 29 11:56:54 I'm asking in here, because it will be used in maemo in harmattan. Mar 29 11:57:19 so I was wondering if someone knew about it ;) Mar 29 11:57:19 then ask in qt Mar 29 11:57:24 <_gpg_> nidO: Is there any document describing flasher mode or upgrade mode please ? Mar 29 11:57:26 obviously not, we all hate qt Mar 29 11:57:34 _gpg_: a bunch, google it Mar 29 11:57:39 <_gpg_> nidO: asking in developer perspective not end user Mar 29 11:57:46 crashanddie: I doubt it Mar 29 11:57:51 http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher Mar 29 11:57:57 documentation on the flasher is available there Mar 29 11:57:57 <_gpg_> nidO: thanks Mar 29 11:59:00 Shapeshifter, ok. i was just wondering because normally qmake uses libs from the same path were qmake is installed. there are sometimes problems where qmake is used from default $PATH, not from the "updated" qt version. Mar 29 11:59:13 _gpg_: also, http://tinyurl.com/yc6prze Mar 29 11:59:26 <_gpg_> crashanddie: thanks Mar 29 11:59:39 Shapeshifter, ...but if that is not the case... then something different. Mar 29 11:59:49 which qmake ? Mar 29 12:00:03 qmake -v Mar 29 12:00:19 qmake -query Mar 29 12:00:31 I actually meant the command "which qmake" Mar 29 12:01:03 yes, but qmake -query shows the actual lib paths. Mar 29 12:01:47 9 hours ahead? Yeah, GA should be awake by now\ Mar 29 12:01:52 GAN900: yo, wake up Mar 29 12:09:26 morning Mar 29 12:10:04 RST38h: qemu emulation of n8x0 was not done by me - I was first who got it working without files from nokia (other then fiasco image of diablo). Mar 29 12:10:24 RST38h: there is no wifi (ethernet emulation gives network) but there is BT Mar 29 12:14:17 what is the status of the n8x0 community os thing/new version? Mar 29 12:14:35 community ssu is going ahead nicely Mar 29 12:15:18 good good Mar 29 12:15:42 I just love my n800, got it for 45 eur used Mar 29 12:15:49 it is like a unique device Mar 29 12:16:20 it is Mar 29 12:16:43 is it way diff from say 810? Mar 29 12:18:43 * Arif_ sneezes Mar 29 12:21:11 argh, estimated delivery time 16:30-17:30 Mar 29 12:21:52 was hoping for a whole day of messing :P Mar 29 12:22:46 hehe Mar 29 12:23:52 gonna take n900 and x1 to work tomorrow anyway, get an idea of what battery life is like without finding myself phoneless halfway through Mar 29 12:24:09 your battery usage will be bigger initially cos of playing so much Mar 29 12:25:16 haltdef_: X10? Mar 29 12:25:27 6 hours of mp3s, 4 of those with all radios off Mar 29 12:25:29 no, x1 Mar 29 12:26:45 that's not too demanding I don't think Mar 29 12:27:03 always a 2400mah extended battery if stock isn't good enough Mar 29 12:27:24 when I open the applications menu, I get first one screen with some common applications, with a "more"-button leading to all of them. Is it possible to merge those two and have the complete list show up when I use the "start button"? Mar 29 12:28:14 youll get that as of pr1.2 Mar 29 12:28:32 was that for me, nidO? Mar 29 12:28:33 jo-erlend, flash to PR1.2 Mar 29 12:28:38 what does that mean? Mar 29 12:28:45 next update Mar 29 12:28:51 the next firmware update Mar 29 12:28:53 ......that's not out yet Mar 29 12:28:54 = no more more button Mar 29 12:29:02 do I have to flash, or can I upgrade it online? Mar 29 12:29:09 ......which was scheduled end of February :P Mar 29 12:29:11 you can ota upgrade when it's released Mar 29 12:29:19 Arif_: any dates now? Mar 29 12:29:21 ah, great. Mar 29 12:29:29 Scelt, April 1st! Mar 29 12:29:38 Arif_: awesome! Mar 29 12:29:55 you never know with nokla Mar 29 12:30:06 you wake up one morning and there's an orange ! blinking there Mar 29 12:30:06 nidO: there's an app for consolidating menus like that Mar 29 12:30:19 Arif_: waiting for the ovi maps 3 too :P Mar 29 12:30:31 Afternoon, all Mar 29 12:30:33 and portrait mode? :P Mar 29 12:30:50 there are two indeed, but with a bit of luck pr1.2 is just round the corner anyway Mar 29 12:31:07 We thought that in February too Mar 29 12:31:12 Arif_: not so important for me. but it could me nice if virtual keyboard would be in use in portrait mode and otherwise keyboard. needed that kind of for a few times already Mar 29 12:31:14 you may have Mar 29 12:31:27 no sdk, no autobuilder switch = no imminent patch Mar 29 12:31:34 Scelt, you can always wait I guess Mar 29 12:31:39 did someone say 'Portrait Mode' lol!!!!! Mar 29 12:31:51 Arif_: what else then? :P Mar 29 12:32:00 I doubt Nokia will release real maps for Moomo 5 Mar 29 12:32:00 I really dont get the fascination of portrait mode Mar 29 12:32:06 whats the big deal, really Mar 29 12:32:10 nidO, one hand usage \o/ Mar 29 12:32:35 who the hell wants to use a phone one-handed to do anything more complex than dial a phone number anyway? Mar 29 12:32:52 send a 50 character IM message or change the song Mar 29 12:32:55 ;) Mar 29 12:32:56 have you ever seen just how wonderfully usable portrait qwerty virtual keyboards arent? Mar 29 12:32:57 meh.... Mar 29 12:33:12 i bought a landscape phone knowing that i could use it two handed :D Mar 29 12:33:19 that's why I only demand it in the media player and conversations Mar 29 12:33:20 :D Mar 29 12:33:30 otherwise a vertical slider and a smaller screen would have made sense ;) Mar 29 12:34:02 its a compromise - and as stated in that tmo thread - its not far of 50/50 ... its a wish for some, but not an essential for most Mar 29 12:34:32 Nokia needs to think of the minorities Mar 29 12:34:35 like the goverment! Mar 29 12:34:38 oooo ovi store down again :D Mar 29 12:34:41 lol Arif_ Mar 29 12:34:53 store down all day today Mar 29 12:34:55 I know I'll get the new Moogo device anyway Mar 29 12:35:00 they can not implement all they want =} Mar 29 12:35:05 publisher side was down all day yesterday too Mar 29 12:35:09 i'm a minority in my own country ;) lol (Ok thats a bit hardsh i know, and is not meant rudely) - but i do feel that way at times with our lovely government Mar 29 12:35:13 fingers crossed for some kind of worthwhile improvement Mar 29 12:35:57 nidO, they tripped over the server's LAN calbe and it broke while updating Firefox mobile Mar 29 12:36:11 :P Mar 29 12:36:16 they're now trying to find a store with a 20 meter cable Mar 29 12:36:29 1PR 1.2 will be in november Mar 29 12:36:42 lol Mar 29 12:36:42 hmm no Mar 29 12:36:49 PR1.2 is confirmed for april Mar 29 12:37:01 maybe the intern has tried to update ovi store with the 1.2SDK ;) lol Mar 29 12:37:04 tybollt: it was before told for 'next week' etc Mar 29 12:37:06 confirmed? :D Mar 29 12:37:19 it fixes 3 bugs anyway Mar 29 12:37:19 hrw: "next week" was what I heard _here_. Mar 29 12:37:20 i stick with my estimate of 12th - 24th april Mar 29 12:37:22 no hurry Mar 29 12:37:35 tybollt: and where was 'april' told? Mar 29 12:37:37 hrw: "avail in april" is from Nokia head of maemo in .se, so.............. Mar 29 12:37:56 nokia officials > random #maemo user Mar 29 12:37:57 really Mar 29 12:38:21 maybe they're integrating Flash 12 Mar 29 12:38:27 with 3D support Mar 29 12:39:07 what does PR1.2 stand for, and where can I find information about it? Mar 29 12:39:23 lol Mar 29 12:39:24 tybollt: anyway it needs to be soon - otherwise maemo can start losing devs as now you can not distribute freshly built apps for users Mar 29 12:39:31 its a readable name for the firmware version jo-erlend Mar 29 12:39:38 jo-erlend: http://www.nokian900applications.com/firmware-pr1-2-for-nokia-n900-very-soon/ Mar 29 12:39:38 you can find information about almost anything maemo related on the wiki, the forum, or google. Mar 29 12:39:46 goto settings -> about to get your full version number Mar 29 12:42:14 * Arif_ throws an i8910 HD at noobmonk3y Mar 29 12:42:44 w0000000000p Mar 29 12:43:10 maybe I should get one for mobile media playback Mar 29 12:43:11 tybollt: whos nokia head of maemo in .se? :D Mar 29 12:43:11 ;D Mar 29 12:43:19 hrw: ah you mean the sdk thing? Yeah that's a bloody mess, don't ask me... All I know is nokia head of maemo for sweden chatted to users on m3.se (in .se unfortunately) and said basically he doesn't know whne it'll arrive but that it'll be in april Mar 29 12:43:29 didnt know nokia had a meego branch in .se even Mar 29 12:43:41 frals: den där jädra hooppjärkan som far runt på twitter i ett Mar 29 12:43:52 frals: Clas Nåntingellerannat Mar 29 12:43:54 * Arif_ only understood twitter in there Mar 29 12:43:57 xD Mar 29 12:44:02 stick with english please Mar 29 12:44:03 right Mar 29 12:44:20 frals: kolla chatten på m3.se/mobil.se Mar 29 12:44:29 ya trying to find it Mar 29 12:44:40 frals: option to sms reply for fmms could be nice Mar 29 12:44:49 lol Mar 29 12:44:56 tybollt: anyway nokia tried hard to make maemo not easy to develop for and they did not yet failed Mar 29 12:45:08 Scelt: yeah i know, im looking to getting it to do that from conversations but its a fucking mess trying to launch it Mar 29 12:45:22 * Arif_ never sent an mms in his life :( Mar 29 12:45:23 frals: okay. then man, you rock Mar 29 12:45:35 tybollt: mobil.se is a fucking terrible site Mar 29 12:45:43 frals: yes, yes indeed. :( Mar 29 12:47:21 frals: http://www.mobil.se/articles/Lasarna-chattade-med-Nokia-1.338588.html Mar 29 12:47:27 ah ta Mar 29 12:47:52 I should understand that Mar 29 12:48:23 and I can see that I mostly do Mar 29 12:48:41 min svenska är liten rust :) Mar 29 12:49:04 yeah, mine too but gotta try Mar 29 12:49:36 why there's Mvh for every answer Mar 29 12:50:03 means best regards Mar 29 12:50:05 pretty much Mar 29 12:50:34 yeah, I know. just wondered why it's there but maybe that's summary from many letters or something Mar 29 12:51:16 ye its a summary Mar 29 12:52:02 med vänliga hälsningar Mar 29 12:52:39 "Hej! Nästa uppdatering för N900 beräknas komma under april." *estimated* april btw Mar 29 12:53:20 I would say just one regard Mar 29 12:53:27 med vänlig hälsning Mar 29 12:53:32 frals: jajaja Mar 29 12:53:55 Scelt: proper swedish is to use 'med vänliga hälsningar' ;) Mar 29 12:54:15 med vänligä hälsningar ~ best wishes Mar 29 12:54:45 frals: I'm just a Finland's swede. Born to use the language as we mind :P Mar 29 12:54:49 *warning educational content! Mar 29 12:54:50 :) Mar 29 12:54:55 Scelt: :D Mar 29 12:55:31 frals: but you're getting nice credit in that article. every MMS question has the fMMS as answer Mar 29 12:55:40 yeah saw that, hehe Mar 29 12:56:21 and to correct the statement before, I'm not even a real Finland's Swede, more like a half of it Mar 29 13:02:14 frals, has Nokia sent you some love? Mar 29 13:02:53 Something along the lines of "Thanks for implementing something we're too lazy to do" Mar 29 13:02:58 they paid for a trip to helsinki so i could get help, so id say yeah :p Mar 29 13:02:58 * hrw wants calendar with timezones Mar 29 13:03:35 so "phone call at 16:00 UTC" would be possible to enter without calculating which hour it is in local time Mar 29 13:03:43 frals: wow. suprising but cool Mar 29 13:04:32 frals... more interestingly have they offered you a well paid job :D hehe (Or at least some free tech!) - flights are all very good, but not very re-usable ;) Mar 29 13:05:01 similar to other devs i got a dev device Mar 29 13:05:07 frals: and there is still a need to manual connect to manual defined APN just to receive/send mms? Mar 29 13:05:21 auto connect has worked for me Mar 29 13:05:24 and while i was there i got to talk to pretty much anyone i needed Mar 29 13:05:31 hrw: more or less Mar 29 13:05:55 frals: auto connect works fine for me Mar 29 13:05:56 pr1.2 brings a list of operator MMS settings so hopefully that will cut away the need for configuration for a lot of people at least Mar 29 13:06:05 Scelt: yeah, same here, but its still experimental :) Mar 29 13:06:24 okaydokay. operator MMS settings are great Mar 29 13:06:50 hmmm, not actually tried any auto connects yet.... but there was a good q on the forum, if the mms apn connections work (ie, internet etc loads up through it) can that not be on all the time? or are there cost implications? Mar 29 13:06:52 I've accidentally choose that MMS connection from time to time Mar 29 13:07:01 frals: so it will be list of settings for feature which is not present on phone. I wonder what will be next Mar 29 13:08:32 wimax access points stuff? Mar 29 13:08:33 noobmonk3y: depends on the carrier, they might charge you an arm and a leg for using it for browsing etc Mar 29 13:09:15 ahhhhh - i will investigatey - might be worth trialling and checking, as in some cases, if all is ok... then i could update the wiki page and people could have fmms acting almost as though it was built in :D Mar 29 13:09:27 hrw: another way to look at it is the fact nokia is helping people trying to improve the device.. :p Mar 29 13:09:47 * Arif_ wanders off to write aPortrait Mar 29 13:10:02 what nokia needs to provide is the capability to connect to multiple APNs at a time, though Mar 29 13:11:01 flux: Kind of hard when the second APN uses an alternative internet with colliding ips. Mar 29 13:11:08 Arif_: iportrait did you say? Mar 29 13:11:22 :P Mar 29 13:11:54 brb gotta go help needy people D Mar 29 13:11:55 :D Mar 29 13:12:00 x-fade, hard, maybe, but not impossible?-) Mar 29 13:13:07 flux: No, but not easy to fix at least. And afaik needs a recent kernel as that is implemented only recently. Mar 29 13:13:25 x-fade, any pointers? I'd like to read about that Mar 29 13:13:56 kernel needs network namespaces which was added in 2.6.31 i think Mar 29 13:14:17 flux: read the mms wiki pages. Mar 29 13:14:23 frals: sure, but with closed conversations you cannot merge your work into that interface rather fully? Mar 29 13:15:09 hrw: it should be doable to implement mms as a telepathy-ish plugin so it integrates fully with conversations i think Mar 29 13:15:33 but after looking into it i decided it was not worth the effort for me Mar 29 13:17:14 for an mms developer you're awfully anti mms ;) Mar 29 13:17:18 thats what I talk about Mar 29 13:18:16 im sure it would be easier for someone who is familiar with telepathy and c to do it Mar 29 13:20:03 anyway it is GPL I guess? so free for anyone to pick up and work on, right? Mar 29 13:21:15 yes Mar 29 13:21:17 I don't understand the complaints about missing mms. I've had mms on my phones for years, and I think I've used it once. Mar 29 13:21:36 jo-erlend: I used it more often Mar 29 13:22:00 MMS is good for communicating with people who don't have email in their phones Mar 29 13:22:25 when I was at garden show friend called me 'buy me pear OfThatTypeExactly' - I made photo, sent him as mms and got answer 'yes, that one' Mar 29 13:22:39 MiXu-, I refuse to communicate with that kind of people. :) Mar 29 13:22:50 has anyone found how to view the google latitude map? Mar 29 13:23:02 with n900 I have to make photo, launch mail app, compose mail, find photo on disk, send, call him to fetch mail Mar 29 13:23:02 jo-erlend: Good luck with your social life then ;) Mar 29 13:23:11 i installed the updater, updated my position, but haven't found how to see the actual map Mar 29 13:23:22 with e66 I just had to make photo + send as mms ption from menu Mar 29 13:23:22 MiXu-, actually, I would have a very hard time finding anyone here who doesn't have email on their phones. Mar 29 13:23:38 Me too at work. Mar 29 13:23:47 jo-erlend: my wife does not use email on phone. but she uses mms and videocalls Mar 29 13:23:57 weird. Mar 29 13:23:59 But my gf or any of my relatives probably don't use email with their phones. Mar 29 13:24:00 hmm Mar 29 13:24:05 hrw: with fmms you take photo + "share via" -> mms ;) Mar 29 13:24:14 I'll agree mms is usefull (at times)... video calls? no way Mar 29 13:24:14 share via service* Mar 29 13:24:45 frals: can I send text mms with fmms? Mar 29 13:24:47 frals: There's also share via email Mar 29 13:24:49 video calls could be handy Mar 29 13:25:04 frals: I pay same for sms and mms but mms allows for ~1K of text instead of 16 chars Mar 29 13:25:06 Not for the obvious use. Mar 29 13:25:12 hrw: uh, as in only text? should work fine Mar 29 13:25:13 s/16/160/ Mar 29 13:25:13 hrw meant: frals: I pay same for sms and mms but mms allows for ~1K of text instead of 160 chars Mar 29 13:25:38 hrw, how much do you pay per message? Mar 29 13:25:43 imagine shopping for furniture, and being able to consult over video. Mar 29 13:25:53 jo-erlend: 5 eurocents? Mar 29 13:26:04 hrw, how would I know? Mar 29 13:26:13 * noobmonk3y blinks Mar 29 13:26:21 I pay 33 euros in a month. includes 3000 mins, 3000 sms, 3000 mms and 3000 mins of video calls Mar 29 13:26:21 jo-erlend: I mean: something about 5 €c Mar 29 13:26:29 that you have to pay for sms in europe is still a damn money maker Mar 29 13:26:40 it's insane... Mar 29 13:26:44 Scelt: my operator does not make a difference between voice or video call Mar 29 13:27:01 hrw: what op are you at? Mar 29 13:27:02 mine does but it doesn't matter. I'm not using 3000 mins of calls in a month anyhow Mar 29 13:27:39 the faster we can dispose of the old pstn for plain audio, the better. Pure internet-based UC is what I want. Mar 29 13:27:43 SpeedEvil: when my wife goes to school for whole weekend I used videocalls to call her during evening so our daughter could say 'good night' for her. n900 does not allows that Mar 29 13:28:03 hrw: yet Mar 29 13:28:05 jo-erlend: sure, especially in GSM/9600bps covered areas Mar 29 13:28:13 and don't get me started on phone numbers... I feel like a damn POW when I tell people my phone number. :) Mar 29 13:28:25 gouverneur: I know, I know - PR3.0 will bring it in 2016 Mar 29 13:28:27 hrw, we have LTE here now. :) Mar 29 13:28:28 gouverneur: plusgsm Mar 29 13:28:33 jo-erlend: que? Mar 29 13:28:52 hrw, 100-150Mbps OTA. Mar 29 13:29:08 lol my last bill - used 5 minutes of my 800 free minutes and 350 of my unlimited texts.... hmmm 2gig of my 500mb download limit (Supposedly unlimited) - but no warnings, all good here :D Mar 29 13:29:10 jo-erlend: also on nokia 5110? Mar 29 13:29:10 Hi. Can anyone point me to which app is the standard for recording audio in Maemo? Something like when I want to record audio notes. Mar 29 13:29:24 hrw, heh, no, I don't think that'll happen either. Mar 29 13:29:31 SukhE: install recorder from repo Mar 29 13:29:43 Ok I will check it out. Thanks. Mar 29 13:29:49 jo-erlend: I have friends which use phones which does not know what EDGE is Mar 29 13:29:57 hrw, but I don't have to use PSTN in order to call a PSTN number. I have a VoIP SIP service account. Mar 29 13:30:01 SukhE: try also recaller Mar 29 13:30:02 hrm xchat works good :) Mar 29 13:30:03 hrw: "Video calling can be accessed through contacts." PR1.2 changelog, those bstrds mean for IM only? Mar 29 13:30:05 SukhE: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/recorder/ Mar 29 13:30:19 hrw, noobmonk3y: ty. Mar 29 13:30:25 and........ http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/recaller/ Mar 29 13:30:27 lol Mar 29 13:30:35 hrw :) - i'm your handy little helper today ;) Mar 29 13:30:43 noobmonk3y: ;D Mar 29 13:30:45 I like that n900 wouldn't anymore offer all numbers but only cells for sms Mar 29 13:31:10 Scelt: as selectable option so I will still be able to send sms to landline Mar 29 13:31:25 ech0nokia: yup :D Mar 29 13:31:26 SukhE: recorder has crackling noice I just tested at a friends band gig, and its not an issue with the mic Mar 29 13:31:26 not that I do that but still possible Mar 29 13:32:22 "recaller" is a nice app. I wish I could make it record all phone/voip conversations automatically. Mar 29 13:32:25 gouverneur: PR1.2 sdk does not give that option for my test contact which has mobile phone, gg, icq accounts listed Mar 29 13:33:02 Scelt: Mar 29 13:33:04 This looks nice too: http://easy.garage.maemo.org/ Mar 29 13:33:07 Scelt: that is absolute bullshit Mar 29 13:33:07 jo-erlend: might be possible to use another app that moniotrs dbus calls to do that i suppose...... when dbus picks up a call receive - auto run gstreamer to record? Mar 29 13:33:07 tybollt: Mar 29 13:33:13 omg i sound geeky Mar 29 13:33:20 llol Mar 29 13:33:20 tybollt: why? Mar 29 13:33:28 Scelt: my home phone receives and sends sms just fine Mar 29 13:33:39 noobmonk3y, oh, the phone app provides a dbus interface? Mar 29 13:33:46 so only listing "mobile phones" is pure BS Mar 29 13:33:58 * Arif_ sneezes Mar 29 13:34:07 yup i think so..... there is commands on tmo, just not figured it all fully out yet Mar 29 13:34:10 stop talking so nerdy when I have a cold.... Mar 29 13:34:11 ;P Mar 29 13:34:11 Arif_, prosit. Mar 29 13:34:13 hrw: sdk is very different to the actual phone I recognized, because of missing emulation of the actual device Mar 29 13:34:15 tybollt: haha, maybe it's optional or then you can change phone -> cell Mar 29 13:34:18 Arif_: say it don't spray it Mar 29 13:34:21 Arif_: vodka, works better ;) Mar 29 13:34:39 gouverneur: software is software Mar 29 13:34:43 * Arif_ doesn't use alcohol :O Mar 29 13:34:49 lol Mar 29 13:34:55 use or abuse.... life is tough Mar 29 13:35:06 gouverneur: and with pr1.2 scheduled for unknown day... Mar 29 13:35:10 exams+cold=not nice Mar 29 13:35:11 ={ Mar 29 13:35:12 yay healthcheck is almost at 21k downloads :D Mar 29 13:35:26 yay Mar 29 13:35:28 now if only i charge 10p per download lol Mar 29 13:35:40 hrw: then you trie to run maemo on a HP-XP... Mar 29 13:35:53 I know one thing - without DDP I would not buy n900 - so far it is not worth 600€ Mar 29 13:35:56 noobmonk3y, you'd have more money than %80 off the applestore developers Mar 29 13:35:56 :D Mar 29 13:36:00 hrw: why are you so negative? Mar 29 13:36:03 hahaha good point Mar 29 13:36:06 hrw: DDP? Mar 29 13:36:17 hrw: I payed 500... Mar 29 13:36:17 Double Density floPpy? Mar 29 13:36:19 tybollt: Developer Discount Program - 250€ Mar 29 13:36:24 lol hrw Mar 29 13:36:27 hrw: oh - why is that? Mar 29 13:36:32 I got mine for 400 Mar 29 13:36:36 ooo wonder if i would qualify for that in the next device? :D Mar 29 13:36:42 367 karma has come from nowhere Mar 29 13:36:54 noobmonk3y, only if you implement portrait mode Mar 29 13:37:06 Arif_: i'll portrait mode you soon lol Mar 29 13:37:11 XD Mar 29 13:37:16 you will no longer look so horizontal ;) Mar 29 13:37:33 tybollt: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32951 Mar 29 13:37:34 that's only because I'm laying all the time!@ Mar 29 13:37:41 noobmonk3y: another word for fat... have to remember that one Mar 29 13:38:35 hrw: no... I mean why wouldn't you buy the device? Mar 29 13:38:39 * Arif_ ports noobmonk3y to the iPhone Mar 29 13:39:45 "A new study in rats suggests that high-fat, high-calorie foods affect the brain in much the same way as cocaine and heroin." Mar 29 13:39:47 tybollt: I used S60 powered nokia E66 before n900. so far n900 does not have features which it had Mar 29 13:39:53 Bacon! Mar 29 13:40:17 lol gouverneur ;) - portraitl'y challenged...... Mar 29 13:40:25 eeeeeek - i've become an ifruit Mar 29 13:40:26 RST38h: for life! Mar 29 13:40:29 RST38h, so that's why I'm near braindead! Mar 29 13:41:38 RST38h: so chips and other stuff is just the right food to get a drive? Mar 29 13:41:47 i would prefer to disable portrait mode all together until its supported more.. Mar 29 13:42:12 * Arif_ prefers Symbian ported to the N900 Mar 29 13:42:15 tybollt: I had working gps navigation which is not available on maemo5 (which has ~6 apps which tries to do that), working and usable calendars Mar 29 13:42:18 ech0nokia: I would like to disable all the fancy eyecandy Mar 29 13:42:27 hrw, Sygic? Mar 29 13:42:44 Arif_: give me demo to check is it worth 60€ Mar 29 13:42:55 define "demo" Mar 29 13:43:03 :innocent: Mar 29 13:43:04 Arif_: symbian version of sygic was crap - city searching after 3 letters only... Mar 29 13:43:07 hrw: the first thing I do to a navigator is "up the shut f**, you must" Mar 29 13:43:42 I find Sygic fairly usable on Moomo... Mar 29 13:43:43 Arif_: demo - version which works for 1-3 days, can be limited to one map and for example to trips <100km Mar 29 13:44:16 I can't beleive this post is 3 pages long should be two posts long http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48638 Mar 29 13:44:18 you could always borrow it from somewhere... Mar 29 13:44:19 Arif_: n8x0 had navigation software with 1 week licence Mar 29 13:45:11 sygic works good except for when walking then i find the default one comes in really handy... was in downtown houston yesterday and didnt get lost at all. Mar 29 13:45:12 my e66 came with 1 month free navigation (now is probably covered with free ovi maps) Mar 29 13:45:12 X-Fade: still can't promote the diablo package. It seems that the "right wrong" section is a blocker condition Mar 29 13:45:37 zap: Yes it is. Mar 29 13:45:50 hmmm think my e71 came with 1 month free, rarely use it, but was a bit miffed when i finally used it and was told i had 30 days.... i use it probably once a year... so only got 1 use out of it :P Mar 29 13:45:50 X-Fade: do I have to provide a wrong section for the diablo package? Mar 29 13:46:01 zap: no, a proper one ;) Mar 29 13:46:13 a "proper" section name is not recognized by app manager Mar 29 13:46:18 is this okay? Mar 29 13:46:21 zap: Yes. Mar 29 13:46:25 haha Mar 29 13:47:11 zap: But for fremantle it needs to have that anyway. Mar 29 13:47:23 noobmonk3y, Ovi maps is free you know..:p Mar 29 13:47:35 free * Mar 29 13:47:41 free on _new_ phone Mar 29 13:47:50 :D - everything just feels like effort on the e71... so i just use the n900 now :D Mar 29 13:47:52 fee on _old_ phone Mar 29 13:47:58 just get the damn sis file Mar 29 13:47:59 :p Mar 29 13:48:00 hi, is there any way to get informations about the GSM cell Mar 29 13:48:02 lol Mar 29 13:48:11 bigon, what info do you want? Mar 29 13:48:11 Arif_: no you don't understand Mar 29 13:48:26 zap: You might want to add your email from the changelog to your account, so it links it in the changelog view. Mar 29 13:48:29 Arif_: ovi maps is not free for say E71 or such Mar 29 13:48:38 tell that to my N95 8GB Mar 29 13:48:48 Arif_: only for newer phones is it free Mar 29 13:48:50 noobmonk3y: power, if it supports UMTS, the id of the cell Mar 29 13:49:01 I just got the 3.03 installer from someplace and it works fine Mar 29 13:49:10 ok Mar 29 13:49:13 hmmm i've got some of that out in my healthcheck app Mar 29 13:49:17 hold on will find the stuff i used Mar 29 13:49:21 someone explain the ovi maps thing for Arif - please :) Mar 29 13:49:25 * d14 have sygic on e71 and n900 too ;) Mar 29 13:49:30 It could be interesting to make a client for http://www.opencellid.org/ Mar 29 13:49:49 tybollt, if you get the 3.03 installer from somewhere you're not supposed to it'll work on older phones too Mar 29 13:49:50 bigon: listen to dbus - cellId are announced Mar 29 13:50:00 \o/ Mar 29 13:50:10 zap: http://maemo.org/profile/edit/ Mar 29 13:50:15 and for other informations like 3g support? Mar 29 13:50:21 bigon: i used http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Using_Location_API and some code from http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/n/netmon/ in healthcheck Mar 29 13:50:22 X-Fade: you mean to replace the email I have there? Mar 29 13:50:26 Arif_: you still need to pay subscription fee for old devices - new devices won't Mar 29 13:50:30 X-Fade: this will invalidate my certificate, no? Mar 29 13:50:31 zap: No.. 'Additional emails' Mar 29 13:50:36 how does the ps1 emus run? u can run tekken? or ff? Mar 29 13:50:39 thx! Mar 29 13:50:40 :wi4 Mar 29 13:50:42 bigon - it detects what types of networks you have available Mar 29 13:50:45 zap: Just add that one there, so it can match to your account. Mar 29 13:51:08 tybollt, oh fine..you do :P Mar 29 13:51:23 * Arif_ gives up Mar 29 13:51:29 Arif_: I have the E675 w/ 3.03 and I got asked to pay like yesterday Mar 29 13:51:31 bigon: download my healthcheck app in downloads and see if that helps? - shows some of what you can get out Mar 29 13:51:50 Arif_: E75 Mar 29 13:52:00 did you get a version that's supposed to work for a device that's newer? Mar 29 13:52:02 lol! my big big boss just walked in, and i just had the urge to burp rather violently Mar 29 13:52:29 noobmonk3y: I will have a look at that tonight Mar 29 13:52:31 thx Mar 29 13:52:53 :D your welcome :D (Spent ages trying to figure that out myself!) Mar 29 13:53:02 whoever made the app that turns the gentle press of the camera to the alt tab menu thanks i love that! Mar 29 13:53:16 ech0nokia: what app? Mar 29 13:53:24 oh the button thingy one Mar 29 13:53:26 gotcha Mar 29 13:53:29 ech0nokia: shortcutd? Mar 29 13:53:32 yeah Mar 29 13:53:33 good app! Mar 29 13:54:14 makes it so easy to switch out of any fullscreen app... Mar 29 13:54:33 bigon: (lol me again) - screenshot of some o fthe info here (first post) - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45453&highlight=healthcheck Mar 29 13:55:00 Arif_: http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2010/ovi-maps-en.shtml Mar 29 13:55:08 * noobmonk3y burps Mar 29 13:55:12 However I was puzzled who was going to pay for these "free" services at the end of the day. I got my answer from Jukko Hosio of OVI Maps: "There is no extra charge for OVI maps navigation service, it is included in smartphone price starting in March for new models". Then there were some more questions, and in one answer they mentioned that from that point on all S60-based smartphones would come with this service. Mar 29 13:55:19 arif: ^^^^^^^^^^ Mar 29 13:55:31 * noobmonk3y lols - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8593206.stm Mar 29 13:55:39 * tybollt looks for that silly mIRC trout to beat arif w/ ;-) Mar 29 13:56:14 ~slap Arif_ Mar 29 13:56:15 * apt slaps Arif_, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! Mar 29 13:56:27 i dunno the name of it somethin bout the cam button... if u look threw the repos u will find it.. Mar 29 13:56:28 apt? Mar 29 13:56:31 apt?!?! Mar 29 13:56:34 tybollt, as I said, if you install a version for a different handset it works on older ones too :o Mar 29 13:56:42 noobmonk3y: s/apt/rpm/ surely ;-) Mar 29 13:56:47 infobot has changed name and sex in one foul swoop?! Mar 29 13:56:56 lol tybollt good point Mar 29 13:57:01 * Arif_ touches noobmonk3y Mar 29 13:57:08 apt on mon-fri and rpm at the weekends? Mar 29 13:58:40 would be cool to have a row of customizable shortcuts on the top row of the alt tab.. Mar 29 13:58:42 ~ignore noobmonk3y Mar 29 13:58:43 * apt sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, noobmonk3y!" Mar 29 13:59:06 * noobmonk3y needs to start a tmo poll......... why is DocScrutinizer allllllllways so grumpy......... Mar 29 13:59:07 obviously sex hasn't changed Mar 29 13:59:18 lol DocScrutinizer Mar 29 13:59:37 Arif_: Is it that simple to work around? :) Mar 29 13:59:44 yes =D Mar 29 13:59:53 well, f your phone is haxx0rd Mar 29 14:00:12 you have a haxx0red s60? Mar 29 14:00:19 do spill boy :) Mar 29 14:00:26 don't get excited Mar 29 14:00:29 he litterally got a hack-saw to it........ Mar 29 14:00:30 it's just a certificate hack Mar 29 14:00:42 lol Mar 29 14:00:54 brb Mar 29 14:01:13 I did get some S60v3 FP2 features on the N95 though :D Mar 29 14:01:17 like the fancy UI Mar 29 14:02:09 i want to tap into my gfs phone.. i got access to it and all.. any thing out there that i can use from my n900 to connect with hers via bt? Mar 29 14:02:14 where the (shoped) pics to back these claims? Mar 29 14:02:32 arif^^^^^ Mar 29 14:02:47 so. any clues why I can't checkout git://gitorious.org/maemo-af/libqttracker.git/ on the n900? it fails at random points, sometimes saying warning: templates not found /home/builder3/maemo-fremantle-armel-extras-devel/work/git-1.6.5.7/debian/git/usr/share/git-core/templates or git: 'index-pack' is not a git-command. See 'git --help' fatal: index-pack failed and then it might go on counting objects and compressing objects (100% ... Mar 29 14:02:53 ... (5302/5302), done.) and then it just sits and waits. Mar 29 14:02:55 ech0nokia: - Arif_ haxx0rs things we hear Mar 29 14:03:14 awwwwwwwwww! Mar 29 14:03:16 evil! Mar 29 14:03:25 grumpy DocScrutinizer is ... grump Mar 29 14:03:26 u Mar 29 14:03:29 yup Mar 29 14:03:30 * tybollt & Mar 29 14:04:23 strange, there's no infobot incarnation Mar 29 14:06:11 * noobmonk3y dances on apt's grave Mar 29 14:07:04 ~lart noobmonk3y Mar 29 14:07:05 * apt drops a humongous exploding nuke on noobmonk3y Mar 29 14:07:17 lart?!?! Mar 29 14:07:26 meh Mar 29 14:09:26 afaik tim rikers infobot is chanset #maemo autojoin infobot Mar 29 14:09:41 not apt Mar 29 14:10:00 well... it knows ~, so who cares Mar 29 14:14:25 >:( Mar 29 14:14:43 >:|? Mar 29 14:15:10 Shapeshifter: o/ :) Mar 29 14:15:14 DocScrutinizer: hi there Mar 29 14:15:51 Jaffa: any news about Tuner? Mar 29 14:17:44 heh Mar 29 14:17:52 the first few pages in General are all movied topics Mar 29 14:21:37 does anyone else have problems cloning stuff from gitorious? Mar 29 14:21:39 like "fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly, fatal: early EOF, fatal: index-pack failed" Mar 29 14:22:32 sounds quite familiar for slow hosts, no? Mar 29 14:23:54 or if the TCP connection timeouts of your client are quite short Mar 29 14:24:02 I dunno Mar 29 14:25:36 * Shapeshifter will download the tar instead. Mar 29 14:27:09 Oh gawd. Mar 29 14:27:16 * noobmonk3y waves g'bye..... off home :D w000p! (And it's just started raining, oh yay) Mar 29 14:27:20 I hope I will receive the n900 before the holidays start (thursday) Mar 29 14:29:16 trade your i8910 HD for my N900? Mar 29 14:30:35 heh, waiting for yours to be delivered too? Mar 29 14:30:41 nah Mar 29 14:30:51 I'm thinking of getting an i8910 Mar 29 14:31:00 halfdef: Indeed. Mar 29 14:31:07 oh.... Mar 29 14:31:08 * Arif_ shuts up Mar 29 14:31:20 * marcus__ giggles Mar 29 14:31:26 :D Mar 29 14:31:59 * Arif_ sends marcus__ the upper and haltdef the lower part of his N900 Mar 29 14:32:03 and now gitorious is broken completely Mar 29 14:32:10 >:( Mar 29 14:32:13 gimme both Mar 29 14:32:41 DPD saying 16:27 and 17:27 today :P Mar 29 14:32:51 (15:32 now) Mar 29 14:32:55 * haltdef twiddles thumbs Mar 29 14:32:57 DPD? Mar 29 14:33:02 courier Mar 29 14:34:19 (: Mar 29 14:34:43 its 16:34 Mar 29 14:34:47 ;( Mar 29 14:35:00 yup Mar 29 14:35:04 its 15:34 :( Mar 29 14:35:15 wish it was 16:34 Mar 29 14:35:20 why :D Mar 29 14:36:26 * marcus__ wishes it was wednesday or thursday Mar 29 14:37:20 * Arif_ wishes for a new Nokia device Mar 29 14:37:53 * marcus__ wishes for Arif_'s n900 Mar 29 14:38:31 * luke-jr wishes for a new handheld, ideally non-Nokia Mar 29 14:38:33 :p Mar 29 14:38:45 * marcus__ wants to slap his brother for yelling "THERE'S MAIL FOR YOU MARCUS!" and it was only a joke Mar 29 14:38:45 * Arif_ hands luke-jr a Samsung Mar 29 14:38:52 haha Mar 29 14:38:55 lol Mar 29 14:39:01 :( Mar 29 14:39:03 stab in the leg at least for that Mar 29 14:39:13 Samsung is even worse than Nokia when it comes to firmware Mar 29 14:39:14 =D Mar 29 14:39:21 why do you want a samsung phone Mar 29 14:39:54 so that it matches his samsung washing machine and samsung regional train he takes to work. Mar 29 14:40:11 oh wait that was siemens >.> Mar 29 14:40:19 apart from coreplayer missing it has most things I want ;( Mar 29 14:41:21 Hi ! Mar 29 14:41:29 hai! Mar 29 14:41:49 what a craptastic screen Mar 29 14:42:17 what screen? Mar 29 14:42:23 Find the missing graph: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/03/29mar10oub234tcds.jpg Mar 29 14:42:37 luke-jr: saw the one i pointed you to the other day? Mar 29 14:42:43 stop redirecting from blogs! Mar 29 14:42:51 Stskeeps: dunno; I was mostly being humourous. Mar 29 14:43:46 looks from that graphs like palm had a nice surge of pre sales, then all the owners took them back a month later and swapped them with android phones Mar 29 14:45:21 RST38h: there is no Symbian there? Mar 29 14:45:30 SFML <<--- someone know this lib Mar 29 14:45:31 ? Mar 29 14:45:45 hrw: the source is admob anyway so meaningless Mar 29 14:45:47 Simply F.cked My Library? Mar 29 14:45:54 hrw, lol Mar 29 14:46:17 Simple and Fast Multimedia Library Mar 29 14:46:28 but as it s look like a frenchy libs Mar 29 14:46:42 i think this isn't something well know or supported Mar 29 14:48:26 this sdk gui setup, where does it install scratchbox and all that stuff to? I don't see an option and reading the script I'm not getting clues Mar 29 14:51:54 Stskeeps: tuner? Mar 29 14:52:41 Stskeeps: hmm, maybe: "any news on tuner mess with 1.2?" Mar 29 14:54:10 crashanddie, what? :P Mar 29 14:55:27 I got at least one dev more hairless Mar 29 14:56:16 DocScrutinizer: eh Mar 29 14:56:16 :P Mar 29 14:57:27 ~love http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-March/025629.html Mar 29 14:57:28 If you love http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-March/025629.html so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) Mar 29 14:59:45 how do I change the font in a hildon button...I am finding that's not really documenter anywhere. Mar 29 15:02:33 X-Fade: bash3 for Diablo is stuck again, unlike Fremantle's Mar 29 15:02:56 X-Fade: for some reason it doesn't renew in the promote interface (there is still the old version) Mar 29 15:03:55 zap: Let me check. Mar 29 15:13:27 did the forums die? ;o Mar 29 15:13:35 hackers Mar 29 15:13:45 oh there it is Mar 29 15:13:52 just hammer F5 Mar 29 15:23:11 this sdk installer is a fucking joke. Mar 29 15:23:49 Shapeshifter, any good? Mar 29 15:24:07 Shapeshifter: agreed Mar 29 15:24:10 well, the sdk itself Mar 29 15:24:10 P Mar 29 15:24:11 I'd need to clear up space on / for it to install to a completely different partition then / is on because it ditches all downloads in /tmp before installing it. Mar 29 15:24:18 I meant the gui installer Mar 29 15:24:39 it's like my desktop turned into an n900 lacking root space Mar 29 15:25:19 * Shapeshifter goes editing the script Mar 29 15:26:28 on second thought I'll just not use it at all. Mar 29 15:27:39 hmm...guess I just needed to use gtk buttons instead of hildon ones Mar 29 15:28:11 X-Fade: still old version here for diablo: http://maemo.org/packages/view/bash3/ , is that normal? Mar 29 15:29:58 zap: Patience young padwan.. Mar 29 15:30:10 *padawan even ;) Mar 29 15:30:37 Meep, y n900's headphone jack is failing. Mar 29 15:32:22 At any rate, I noticed that hildon/gtk doesn't seem to register enter signals for buttons except on the press or release. Mar 29 15:32:22 Sargun_Screen: elaborate Mar 29 15:32:35 any clue why? Mar 29 15:34:14 Shapeshifter: TMP=/sdkmount/tmp install-sdk Mar 29 15:34:51 luke-jr: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/ChinaGrabber-BPhone/ Mar 29 15:37:06 DocScrutinizer: the jack loses contact with my 3.5 MM headphone connector if there isn't pressure put on it. Mar 29 15:37:24 DocScrutinizer: I don't know if it's the connector, or the solder joint with the PCB. Mar 29 15:37:47 DocScrutinizer: I'll probably mail it back to Nokia for a warranty repair when I get back from boston. Mar 29 15:38:00 it's not soldered Mar 29 15:38:11 Sargun_Screen: afaik AV receptacle is a non-solder springloded contact type Mar 29 15:38:19 it's a spring connector Mar 29 15:38:51 DocScrutinizer: thanks Mar 29 15:38:53 Sargun_Screen: anyway make sure it's not the headset plug Mar 29 15:38:57 or cable Mar 29 15:40:31 DocScrutinizer: It's not the headset. This headset plugs into "real" A/V equipment just fine. Mar 29 15:40:58 Sargun_Screen: what's the exact symptoms? Mar 29 15:42:29 DocScrutinizer: unfortunately, that didn't change the location where it installs all the scratchbox stuff to ^^. just a couple of small temp files Mar 29 15:42:33 *files Mar 29 15:42:57 Shapeshifter: incredible Mar 29 15:42:58 sigh Mar 29 15:43:09 users and other mailserver administrators want to make me slit my wrists Mar 29 15:43:25 DocScrutinizer: tmp is hardcoded into the script at several locations Mar 29 15:43:37 nidO, sounds like effort and pain! Mar 29 15:43:42 ouch Mar 29 15:43:58 nokia, master of hardcoded shit Mar 29 15:44:06 it'd be less effort than dealing with morons that basically subscribe to extortion rackets thinking it protects their servers from junk Mar 29 15:44:25 :D Mar 29 16:02:50 I asked this question before but I am not sure about the final answer. If I run my n900 with AC power will it drain the battery after the battery is fully loaded? Mar 29 16:03:35 someone gave me a link to the openmoko wiki but I couldn't find an answer there. Mar 29 16:03:56 jatt; from own experience it seems like the battery is drained when it has become fully charged Mar 29 16:04:14 the battery will get drained once it's filled Mar 29 16:04:30 battery fills > battery discharges to 80% or so > fills again Mar 29 16:04:35 if left plugged in Mar 29 16:04:35 I see. It's strange because the battery applet doesn't show the battery is getting drained. Mar 29 16:04:40 I see Mar 29 16:05:06 I mean, I want to use AC power at home to avoid using the battery Mar 29 16:05:15 you cant Mar 29 16:05:21 plug out the batter ;) Mar 29 16:05:29 device wont work Mar 29 16:05:31 hehe Mar 29 16:05:38 ohi n900 Mar 29 16:05:40 will it work? no battery with AC only? Mar 29 16:05:43 let an alarm go off when its charged and unplug it Mar 29 16:05:44 :P Mar 29 16:05:45 no Mar 29 16:05:55 the device physically has no passthrough power Mar 29 16:06:04 I see Mar 29 16:06:26 how can you create an alarm that goes off when its charged? Mar 29 16:06:38 there's probably one way or another Mar 29 16:07:13 I have to say that the battery which came with the n900 don't hold power as well as the extra battery I bought Mar 29 16:07:46 Stskeeps: 128 MB RAM is crap Mar 29 16:08:24 Trizt: I'm sorry I didn't understand you well: what do you mean with don't hold power? you can run with AC power only without draining the battery? Mar 29 16:09:24 jatt; when using the n900 without AC, the original battery discharges faster than the extra battery I bought Mar 29 16:09:24 hold = retain Mar 29 16:09:56 which battery did you bought? Mar 29 16:10:09 luke-jr: fair enough, was just in the form you had thought about Mar 29 16:10:10 The same Mar 29 16:10:44 Stskeeps: yeah :( Mar 29 16:11:23 wasn't Moogo being released this month? Mar 29 16:11:31 week* Mar 29 16:11:45 scheduled release for weds Mar 29 16:11:49 Arif_: that's utter nonsense to unplug when battery charged Mar 29 16:11:59 i don't suppose anyone has written an app to display sms and email message notifications on the front screen? Mar 29 16:12:21 Arif_: march 31 Mar 29 16:12:36 RichardP; Converstaions ? Mar 29 16:12:41 but I prefer Korg to Moog Mar 29 16:13:32 jatt: the battery *needs*vdischarging after full charge. Keeping it at 100% all the time will make it break and possibly explode after a few months Mar 29 16:14:18 I understand that. I was hoping you can run the n900 on AC power only. Mar 29 16:14:49 just wish there was a way to schedule charging so that it's charged in the morning Mar 29 16:15:01 or rather, I wished when I didn't yet have my mugen \o/ Mar 29 16:15:20 and for the link: Mar 29 16:15:22 I guess I could always use a timer :) Mar 29 16:15:24 ~batteryfaq Mar 29 16:15:25 well, batteryfaq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers Mar 29 16:15:45 Trizt: when an sms comes in, there is no visible notification on the front screen Mar 29 16:15:54 there is Mar 29 16:15:58 its just discreet Mar 29 16:16:50 nidO: oh? Mar 29 16:17:08 take a look at the task switcher icon when you have an sms in Mar 29 16:17:17 the icon on the top left goes white Mar 29 16:17:18 and the led Mar 29 16:17:36 nidO: which one? I don't notice anything beyond the notifier that vanishes, and the indicator led blue flashing Mar 29 16:17:49 you don't hear any sound when playing music though Mar 29 16:18:03 the task switcher icon goes to the "theres tasks backgrounded" picture and its flushed white Mar 29 16:18:19 duh Mar 29 16:18:28 nidO; don't that depend on the theme? Mar 29 16:18:32 granted its not specific to sms's, but it tells you theres something you missed, either an sms, call, or email Mar 29 16:18:44 well yeah exactly what the icon changes to depends on the theme Mar 29 16:19:28 uhm ... seems update is near ready ;) Mar 29 16:19:32 bright-bluesh vs white? great contrast Mar 29 16:19:37 interesting Mar 29 16:19:38 cheers Mar 29 16:19:43 hmm, seems like new updated system packages have arrived in the repositories.. apt-get upgrade is giving a long list of updatable packages Mar 29 16:20:25 I wonder if it's safe to upgrade them, I'm assuming they are the ones getting updated with PR1.2, Qt is in the mix as well Mar 29 16:20:33 its generally not Mar 29 16:20:41 you can always reflash Mar 29 16:20:42 \o/ Mar 29 16:20:57 id wait for the upgrade to show up in ham, if apt's showing the packages then the update's presumably on the way Mar 29 16:21:29 pillar, i think all package are not available yet Mar 29 16:21:37 wait a bit will be safer Mar 29 16:21:38 :) Mar 29 16:21:39 Khertan: quite possible Mar 29 16:22:02 but I guess it's gonna be quite soon now then at least Mar 29 16:22:34 pillar, yep this is why i said that : " uhm ... seems update is near ready ;)" some minutes ago :) Mar 29 16:22:45 i notice it too when playing with apt :) Mar 29 16:22:56 so that's why they broke Ovi store today Mar 29 16:23:03 ah ... : Mar 29 16:23:05 :) Mar 29 16:23:11 PR1.2 as a 10 euro paid update Mar 29 16:23:12 :P Mar 29 16:23:27 and now i understand more too the answer from the devel mailing list Mar 29 16:23:39 cool, getting paied to update to pr1.2 ;) Mar 29 16:23:44 normally all you have to do is upgrade the firmware on your N900 Mar 29 16:23:44 to PR 1.2, as I understand it. Mar 29 16:23:47 :) Mar 29 16:23:56 hy everybody Mar 29 16:23:57 Trizt, no no Mar 29 16:23:58 YOU pay Mar 29 16:24:04 like you pay for new iPhone firmwarezs Mar 29 16:24:06 Khertan: oh you did yeah, didn't notice Mar 29 16:24:06 :D Mar 29 16:24:14 :) Mar 29 16:24:37 what's iPhone? Mar 29 16:24:46 a fruity phone Mar 29 16:25:03 Like iOrange's windows mobiles? Mar 29 16:25:20 yeah, but more expensive Mar 29 16:25:27 wow, so fast Mar 29 16:25:31 with a half eaten apple on the back Mar 29 16:25:40 haltdef, ? Mar 29 16:25:44 I don't pay for half eaten food Mar 29 16:25:47 n900 arrived :p Mar 29 16:26:00 haltdef, its 18:25! Mar 29 16:26:01 :p Mar 29 16:26:07 yea arrived half an hour ago Mar 29 16:26:10 just been faffing Mar 29 16:26:35 did you turn it on? Mar 29 16:26:53 yes Mar 29 16:26:57 broke it yet? Mar 29 16:27:01 that omg charge and leave for 8 hours .. never happens Mar 29 16:27:10 screw that Mar 29 16:27:10 I've tried in the past, not this time Mar 29 16:27:12 go play with it Mar 29 16:27:15 I am :p Mar 29 16:27:28 fill it with pr......media! Mar 29 16:27:46 mine has plenty of both \o/ Mar 29 16:27:57 mine only has music Mar 29 16:28:27 I had to store "The Code" and "Revolution OS" on it Mar 29 16:28:37 wah? Mar 29 16:28:55 Two documentaries about Linux Mar 29 16:28:57 32GB storage .. most I've had in a mobile device Mar 29 16:29:04 so the part that sucks all the battery on google chat idling is the google server sending space every half a minute? Mar 29 16:29:18 basically yeah Mar 29 16:29:49 has anybody experimented with setting some sort of sanity-recovering proxy? Mar 29 16:30:09 haltdef, its only 27GB Mar 29 16:30:09 \o/ Mar 29 16:30:16 kirma: I heard of such efforts, yes Mar 29 16:30:16 hush Mar 29 16:30:17 kirma, you mean a tool discovering porn media and delete it ? Mar 29 16:30:23 ;) Mar 29 16:30:28 ehh Mar 29 16:30:28 lol Mar 29 16:30:41 move to China? Mar 29 16:30:55 one that wouldn't pass those protocol keepalives so often ;) Mar 29 16:31:04 No, need, the great firewall is entering the world Mar 29 16:31:17 the EU wants a filter of its own too Mar 29 16:31:18 =} Mar 29 16:31:37 Arif_; Australia too Mar 29 16:32:02 us too in a few time too ... (acta) Mar 29 16:32:17 Arif_: yeah, Germany put that shit on hold, basically canceled it. Now EU parliament resumes on same idiocy :-/ Mar 29 16:33:26 * noobmonk3y grumbles Mar 29 16:33:30 nobody seems to mind though Mar 29 16:33:37 everyone's like "I HAS NOTHING TO HAID" Mar 29 16:33:41 ={ Mar 29 16:33:48 err Mar 29 16:34:05 it's about filtering, not spying on user Mar 29 16:34:23 we're getting there slowly.. Mar 29 16:34:36 German approach was based on DNS redirects - gasheaded idea Mar 29 16:35:09 but filtering IP's as well doen't work Mar 29 16:35:12 so, my / is full Mar 29 16:35:12 rootfs 233344 229072 0 100% / Mar 29 16:35:15 what's next? Mar 29 16:35:28 how did you do that Mar 29 16:35:32 DocScrutinizer: no approach will work Mar 29 16:35:39 exactly Mar 29 16:35:47 not without having extensively censorship results Mar 29 16:35:58 that's why I state EU parliament is a bunch of idiots Mar 29 16:36:12 Arif_: I just installed some applications from these repos: http://slexy.org/view/s2Unhl55b0 Mar 29 16:37:09 what's the 7th one Mar 29 16:37:38 Arif_: someone who compiled all of Debian etch for maemo, but I didn't think I installed anything from there Mar 29 16:37:45 I wonder how I could find out though,. Mar 29 16:37:58 um Mar 29 16:38:04 mad - you at 100% rootfs? Mar 29 16:38:07 you should stop installing apps from devel randomly Mar 29 16:38:10 you probably just filled rootfs mostly just with the apt cache Mar 29 16:38:22 considering you have the sdk repo enabled as well as freemoe Mar 29 16:38:26 and -devel Mar 29 16:38:31 madduck, apt-get clean, apt-get autoremove to start Mar 29 16:38:40 deisable any repos other then the basics Mar 29 16:38:43 disable* Mar 29 16:38:47 nidO: 32.0M /var/lib/apt/lists Mar 29 16:39:51 if you have python installed, python-optify is a good one , but try the above first Mar 29 16:40:50 have a nice rest of day Mar 29 16:43:41 * noobmonk3y will brb Mar 29 16:44:56 how easy is it to tether an N900 without network operator support? Mar 29 16:45:32 hildon-initscripts: Depends: osso-af-startup but it is not going to be installed Mar 29 16:45:35 :( Mar 29 16:45:38 it has a lanyard hole. Mar 29 16:45:49 solarion, easy. Mar 29 16:45:49 RichardP: err, the internets over N900, for your laptop? Mar 29 16:45:51 except it *is* installed Mar 29 16:46:17 madduck: It probably wants a newer version Mar 29 16:46:52 DocScrutinizer: yes, tethering ;) Mar 29 16:47:15 Im about to make the jump from the iPhone Mar 29 16:47:20 MiXu-: i thought dist-upgrade would be smart enough to do that Mar 29 16:47:37 RichardP: doesn't need any carrier support. Just plug in to PC and select "PC suite" from popup menu Mar 29 16:47:44 madducK: it's possible that the right version isn't available yet. Mar 29 16:47:58 DocScrutinizer: excellent, no need to pay the extra £10 then Mar 29 16:49:05 RichardP: the carrier has pretty little means to tell if the N900 or a tethered PC is causing the data traffic Mar 29 16:49:08 * SpeedEvil went for the cheapest option he could find in the uk. Mar 29 16:50:01 T-mobile payg 6 mo internet booster for 20 quid. 1g/mo Mar 29 16:50:21 RichardP: but some cheap "data plans" restrict your access to e.g. port80 aka http: Mar 29 16:50:47 RichardP: ...or to special sites (IP filtering) Mar 29 16:51:14 SpeedEvil: is that just payg web, no calls? Mar 29 16:51:20 t-mobile does that, but you can turn it olff if you want 4chan Mar 29 16:51:33 C-S-B-N900, no, calls extra Mar 29 16:51:46 RichardP: i.e check if your data plan is net neutral and allows all kinds of services in the net to be accessed Mar 29 16:52:01 C-S-B-N900, but I get 100 kbytes /s lying on sofa. Mar 29 16:52:24 walled gardens have mostly died in the uk Mar 29 16:52:27 SpeedEvil: how do you turn off restrictions? tunneling? Mar 29 16:52:33 thank god. Mar 29 16:52:52 yeah im on O2 and i get real good speeds on hspda on my n900 Mar 29 16:53:17 C-S-B-N900, click button on website supply cc number, wait for 50p charge to auth you as ana asult Mar 29 16:53:35 adult Mar 29 16:53:39 C-S-B-N900: O2 here in D is pretty good. They don't even forbid or filter SIP or skype Mar 29 16:54:14 why pay more SpeedEvil sounds well, evil. just to use your connection. Mar 29 16:54:45 DocScrutinizer: i hope they dont here, but ive not used skype ovee 3g Mar 29 16:54:50 im on o2 in the uk Mar 29 16:54:55 It's to prove you're an adult. voda does this too Mar 29 16:54:59 and C-S-B-N900 dont worry, no skype blocking Mar 29 16:55:25 nidO: cheers, btw had a phone interview today, woot! Mar 29 16:55:27 do be aware though if you use the normal o2web username, they apply compression to images viewed over http to reduce their size Mar 29 16:55:29 is it safe for me to deinstall all the language packs i don't need? Mar 29 16:55:40 C-S-B-N900, and under £3/mo for internet is good enough for me. Mar 29 16:55:42 i.e. can I ever restore the N900 to the original state? Mar 29 16:55:57 or should i really have made a filesystem dump? Mar 29 16:55:59 C-S-B-N900: a phone interview? Mar 29 16:56:05 nidO: what username do you use? Mar 29 16:56:27 nidO: over the phone, not in person. Mar 29 16:56:35 preliminary Mar 29 16:56:45 C-S-B-N900: acttually the 3G carriers like vodafone and O2 now sell 3G-routers to hook up your LAN to their UMTS. Supposed to provide standard internet access Mar 29 16:57:03 switch the o2web username for bypass and leave all other details the same and youll get a connection with no image altering. frankly though I generally stick with the compression, the difference in webpage images isnt easy to spot on the n900 unless you're looking for it, and it cuts down data transfer Mar 29 16:57:20 they had that in oz, some people have to have that. Mar 29 16:57:31 either there's a peacock running loose on the hotel grounds, or a kid is having a ragefit Mar 29 16:57:48 here vodafone does it the other way round, and tries to palm people off with their femtocell trash Mar 29 16:58:43 I'd like a femptocell over 3g Mar 29 16:58:54 C-S-B-N900 what was the interview for? :p Mar 29 16:59:15 that is - a relay that can work from a 10m mast Mar 29 16:59:55 nidO: just a contral win support role Mar 29 17:00:07 is there a tarball of the basic N900 as shipped by nokia out there? Mar 29 17:00:29 http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher Mar 29 17:00:51 hehe, femtocell == 3G-router^-1 Mar 29 17:00:54 nidO: but what about /opt? Mar 29 17:01:06 nid0 im using the vertigo username. Mar 29 17:01:20 madduck: theres an image there for the emmc as well Mar 29 17:01:42 nidO: hm, i must be blind. thanks! Mar 29 17:01:56 I think vertigo probably uses compression as well Mar 29 17:02:03 thats the username thats meant to be for iphone users Mar 29 17:02:15 which apn are you connecting to? Mar 29 17:02:32 bbl Mar 29 17:02:44 payg Mar 29 17:03:32 payandgo.o2.co.uk Mar 29 17:04:51 [sbox-: ~] > sb-conf select FREMANTLE_X86 ----> sb-conf: No such target: FREMANTLE_X86, sb-conf: No current target. any clues? fresh pr1.2 scratchbox/sdk install. Mar 29 17:05:02 i dont remember if i just stuck it in myself or got it from them. Mar 29 17:05:04 the old sdk worked on my laptop and the systems are more or less identical. Mar 29 17:05:50 nidO: on that page, I can only find the flasher, not the images. :( Mar 29 17:06:05 madduck: its linked from there Mar 29 17:06:09 the page should link you to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Mar 29 17:06:12 which has the images. Mar 29 17:06:23 ;) Mar 29 17:06:35 not anymore Mar 29 17:10:17 great. fucking great. Mar 29 17:10:49 whats up Mar 29 17:11:47 C-S-B-N900: as stated above, scratchbox is failing me Mar 29 17:11:53 * madduck is confused by available images Mar 29 17:12:05 is OS 2009 version 1.2009.42-11 < OS 2009 version 2.2009.51-1 < PR 1.1.1 version 3.2010.02-8 Mar 29 17:12:08 hi, does someone know how to make a nand backup of the rootfs on the n900? Mar 29 17:12:10 or is PR something else? Mar 29 17:12:24 BluesLee: tar over SSH? Mar 29 17:12:36 no, something flashable Mar 29 17:12:39 even running sb-menu, which is supposed to run when no target is defined, just hangs and sits Mar 29 17:12:54 BluesLee: http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher and http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Mar 29 17:12:58 this thing is crap. and now, I'm going to delete it, and start over. oh JOY!! Mar 29 17:13:31 Shapeshifter: at least you had it working, never got anywhere myself. Mar 29 17:14:12 well correction, i think scratchbox was ok, but the sdk had a dbus error Mar 29 17:14:44 madduck: are you sure that it works in both directions? i want to backup the whole thing and flash it back in some months Mar 29 17:15:04 BluesLee: don't know Mar 29 17:18:48 madduck: this seems to be a way http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/making-flashable-rootfss-for-n900.html Mar 29 17:20:18 madduck: but i dont know how to handle the dirs besides / Mar 29 17:20:52 BluesLee: make sure to write it up once you find out and tested it! ;) Mar 29 17:21:17 madduck: for instance /opt ... it makes no sense to make a flashable image of / and you dont have the rest of the game Mar 29 17:21:31 BluesLee: it's a separate image Mar 29 17:21:37 or you can use tar for opt Mar 29 17:22:48 madduck: i think i have to use tar or rsync to get the files to my pc, backuping a running system is not so good Mar 29 17:23:13 amn, i thought i got a good score when i got 50 in airport earlier today Mar 29 17:23:29 BluesLee: should be fine, it's linux after all Mar 29 17:23:34 now i played it again and got 103 Mar 29 17:23:34 only the bootloader might be a problem Mar 29 17:23:39 not sure how it works. Mar 29 17:23:58 earlier i always had plains crash outside the screen in abt. forty Mar 29 17:24:03 yes, its not so easy Mar 29 17:27:59 so Mar 29 17:28:07 how do I uninstall this piece of crap SDK Mar 29 17:28:29 just rm -R'ing the scratchbox dir doesn't work because there's billions of symlinks to my system files and stuff Mar 29 17:30:04 ah. instructions in the wiki :) unfortunately, stuff doesn't work (as expected) Mar 29 17:30:08 if my phone runs 1.2009.42-11 now, could I flash it with 3.2010.02-8 ? Mar 29 17:30:15 sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop ----> WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING Trouble umounting! Some mounts could still be active! Mar 29 17:30:19 well no kiddin Mar 29 17:30:47 of course it doesn't tell me what the errors were or where I might be able to find out about them Mar 29 17:30:51 how BRILLIANT Mar 29 17:31:06 madduck: sure Mar 29 17:31:37 MiXu-: even if the EMMC image is just 1.2009.41-1? Mar 29 17:31:58 Ah. Not sure about that. Mar 29 17:32:15 You can always give it a try and then flash emmc as well if things don't wokr. Mar 29 17:32:20 *work Mar 29 17:32:29 Shapeshifter, the joys of using linux =P Mar 29 17:32:46 interesting to see im not the only person whos noticed that the n900's chess game is obscenely hard Mar 29 17:34:03 * Arif_ doesn't know how to play chess ;( Mar 29 17:34:15 nidO: if it's still time-limited difficulty, no wonder Mar 29 17:34:25 ? Mar 29 17:34:58 the difficulty means how long it will 'think' Mar 29 17:35:31 (making up numbers) like 2 seconds for easy, 5 for medium, etc Mar 29 17:35:37 ah - no idea how the difficulty's actually defined, I just know it's bloody hard to beat :p Mar 29 17:35:56 start with easy ;P Mar 29 17:36:00 http://www.mdhjakten.se/dela/?id=dti2d6s Mar 29 17:36:01 yeah right Mar 29 17:36:02 but yeah I guess if it's designed for a much slower system the difficulty times would need to be altered accordingly Mar 29 17:36:05 I know that was a problem with Diablo Mar 29 17:36:07 "N900 users don't need to reflash the eMMC of their device" Mar 29 17:36:08 Arif_: I and most people do Mar 29 17:36:11 https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 29 17:36:12 exactly Mar 29 17:36:13 nidO: someone told me a story of a product manager who thought the chess on 770 was too easy in easy mode.. Mar 29 17:36:26 theres a thread on the forum with people playing 50-100 games and not beating it once on easy Mar 29 17:36:33 it took me 10 games or so to get a win Mar 29 17:36:40 (a pm who was quite good at chess, playing tournaments and such) Mar 29 17:36:42 haha Mar 29 17:37:00 that manager should slap himself then Mar 29 17:37:00 so he instructed the team members to make it more difficult to match his tastes Mar 29 17:37:18 Stskeeps: and he was a us chess master on the run :) Mar 29 17:37:52 ah Mar 29 17:37:57 that's why no one can beat it ? Mar 29 17:38:24 well achipa_irssi's theory makes sense, if the difficulty is just based on thinking time but the same algorithm Mar 29 17:38:47 then if the thinking time limits arent adjusted from whatever they were set to on the system it was originally written for Mar 29 17:39:14 where say 1 second's thinking time on an old slow system = basic not-well-thought-out move but on a much faster n900 = processes it really well and plays accordingly Mar 29 17:40:30 at least that's what the t.m.o. legends say :) Mar 29 17:42:47 Anyone know of a tutorial for compiling apps for the n900? I heard that it needed to be compiled for a specific processor. Mar 29 17:42:58 Would like to compile some C++ & SDL Mar 29 17:43:10 you need maemo sdk normally Mar 29 17:45:57 I always get "Failed: 2/10 Installing Scratchbox" :( Mar 29 17:46:04 ovi store is back Mar 29 17:46:08 W: Failed to fetch http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/helena-getdeb/games/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found Mar 29 17:46:15 with a total of 0 new items for the N900! Mar 29 17:46:50 the rating system went from 3 to 5 stars though Mar 29 17:49:28 store may be back with no new items, but they may have added maemo to the platforms able to be published-to Mar 29 17:49:40 until yesterday at least devs couldnt publish maemo content Mar 29 17:50:00 we can say it sucks 1/5th instead of 1/3rd now Mar 29 17:50:03 what more do we want! Mar 29 17:50:30 independance from rome. Mar 29 17:50:44 aqueducts. Mar 29 17:50:51 http://store.ovi.com/content/29903?clickSource=homepage Mar 29 17:50:54 woo Mar 29 17:51:26 € 2,00 (vergiler dahil) Mar 29 17:51:27 what? Mar 29 17:51:28 lolwat? Mar 29 17:51:46 2 euro for an episode is too much ;( Mar 29 17:51:49 its tryin to sell us little snow fairy sugar? Mar 29 17:51:56 yes! Mar 29 17:51:57 hahahaa... Mar 29 17:52:06 http://store.ovi.com/content/29542?clickSource=homepage Mar 29 17:52:07 also Mar 29 17:52:39 http://www.mdhjakten.se/dela/?id=dti2d6s Mar 29 17:52:43 what scratchbox? Mar 29 17:53:28 http://store.ovi.com/content/22884?clickSource=homepage Mar 29 17:53:35 there's some weird N900 stuff..... Mar 29 17:54:02 haha... wtf.. this is crazy yo.. Mar 29 17:54:17 Nokia ftw =D Mar 29 17:54:49 they have speed racer rofl Mar 29 17:55:09 Good evening Mar 29 17:55:21 is joikuspot even on there lol Mar 29 17:55:21 Arif_, lols, how did you find that stuff? Mar 29 17:55:43 Xisdibik, ovi store N900 Turkish mainpage Mar 29 17:55:47 ech0Asus, no Mar 29 17:56:19 they would make more money if they sold porn Mar 29 17:56:25 Hi all Mar 29 17:56:32 no one really cares about these videos Mar 29 17:57:12 Is there someone who have ever used SDL libraries to get input from keyboard ? Mar 29 17:57:21 ech0Asus Mar 29 17:57:22 http://store.ovi.com/content/22552?clickSource=browse&contentArea=audiovideo Mar 29 17:57:51 closes to pr0n I guess... Mar 29 17:57:58 embedded: I'm wondering if you're using C++ for your SDL? I dunno how to compile it for use on the n900. Mar 29 17:58:27 embedded: I have got a little test "game", but was wondering if I had to compile it differently than I use to for my desktop. Mar 29 17:58:59 so what is R&D mode on the n900? Mar 29 17:58:59 or this http://store.ovi.com/content/24023?clickSource=browse&contentArea=audiovideo “R" for for language and some sexual content Mar 29 17:59:06 XD Mar 29 17:59:06 marcus_ : I'm using the latest Maemo SDK, nothing else Mar 29 18:00:08 i see no reason nokia couldn't make a porn store on the phone if they wanted to make some extra cash lol Mar 29 18:00:36 because Apple baned all porn apps Mar 29 18:00:42 and whatever Apple does is cool and innovating Mar 29 18:00:45 this aint apple rofl Mar 29 18:01:01 marcus__ : all works fine except the keyboard inputs that don't seem to trigger any event, is there somebody can give some suggestion wish this SDL issue? Mar 29 18:01:09 and whatever Apple does is cool and innovating Mar 29 18:01:18 did anything have kinetic scrolling before the iPhone? Mar 29 18:01:29 (serious question btw) Mar 29 18:01:39 the DS ? Mar 29 18:01:46 maemo most likely Mar 29 18:01:51 about all samsung phones Mar 29 18:02:00 UIQv3 too iirc Mar 29 18:02:29 maemo most likely Mar 29 18:02:39 maemo 4? I doubt that had kinetic scrolling Mar 29 18:02:44 wasn't it all scrollbars? Mar 29 18:03:15 Arif_, I have a DS, never seen kinetic scrolling (at least in its OS - if you can call it one) Mar 29 18:03:25 in some games Mar 29 18:03:29 i had an n800 i could scroll with my fingers... using some extras i downloaded.. Mar 29 18:03:30 you had scrolly lists Mar 29 18:04:08 specifically in canola2 i remember doing it and in the browser Mar 29 18:04:37 hm, flasher-3.5 says my phone is already RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_MR0 Mar 29 18:04:59 and its not? Mar 29 18:05:12 the hostname is Nokia-N900-42-11 Mar 29 18:05:16 ovi store tellin u to upgrade? Mar 29 18:05:30 madduck, look in about prodcut in settings Mar 29 18:06:08 yeah, so hostname is wrong Mar 29 18:06:20 if ovi store is tellin u to upgrade i had same issue Mar 29 18:06:27 no, it isn't. Mar 29 18:06:32 * madduck doesn't use ovi store Mar 29 18:06:42 i don't either but i wanted to see it Mar 29 18:06:42 but you're missing out the sugar fairies! Mar 29 18:06:51 Arif_: i don't think so. ;) Mar 29 18:06:55 haha Mar 29 18:07:49 haha "Little Snow Fairy Sugar" seriously.. why? thats kinda insulting lol... Mar 29 18:08:11 reminds me of super hyper monkey force go Mar 29 18:08:24 maybe there was robot in there somehwere Mar 29 18:17:38 http://www.mdhjakten.se/dela/?id=dti2d6s Mar 29 18:17:42 wich iphone is the best? Mar 29 18:19:01 Arif_: has nothing to do with linux Mar 29 18:19:43 W: Failed to fetch http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/helena-getdeb/games/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found Mar 29 18:19:52 why do I keep getting this? ._. any idea? (: Mar 29 18:20:14 you have something in sources.list or sources.list.d Mar 29 18:20:55 amanda1: iPhones all suck Mar 29 18:21:35 why Mar 29 18:21:41 i don't like mac, their stores freak me out.. Mar 29 18:21:43 anyone hav esuggetions Mar 29 18:21:51 on how to make small amount of money on the web Mar 29 18:21:59 reminds me of the progressive commercials.. those freak me out too! Mar 29 18:22:48 sell everything you own on craigslist and ebay Mar 29 18:23:03 got nothing to sell Mar 29 18:23:04 lol Mar 29 18:23:19 if that don't work... u could always try and sell other peoples stuff lol... just go take a picture of it and post it on there.. Mar 29 18:23:31 they just have to come get it lol Mar 29 18:23:55 find like a fountain thats in someones yard and post it on craigslist lol Mar 29 18:24:53 * marcus__ crosses his fingers Mar 29 18:25:52 hi, I know skype is integrated in the n900 but I am not sure if it's possible to call a normal phone with it (i.e. not call another skype user) Mar 29 18:26:18 jatt: yeah, it is Mar 29 18:26:19 yeah it can call land lines and cell phones u just have to pay Mar 29 18:26:36 jatt: it's a full skype client with skypeout/skypein/etc Mar 29 18:27:17 I see I will take a look, not sure where should I put the number so it uses skype out Mar 29 18:27:23 the number of the person I want to call Mar 29 18:28:10 I guess I need to add a new contact and specify it is a skype user Mar 29 18:28:37 guys, what parts of maemo opensource? are core applications like Email client, Conversations opensource? Mar 29 18:28:38 you can add a number as skype numer Mar 29 18:28:45 or just dial the number and set it to a skype call Mar 29 18:29:30 I see, that's pretty cool I will try this feature Mar 29 18:29:46 skype is so overpriced though Mar 29 18:29:52 has anyone experienced an IM that is never really showed, and keeps coming when the window is closed? Mar 29 18:29:53 I prefer voipbuster or something similar Mar 29 18:30:24 does voipbuster has a similar service like skype out? Mar 29 18:30:38 yea Mar 29 18:30:50 most landlines are free too Mar 29 18:30:50 is there a !seen-like function for infobot? Mar 29 18:30:59 probably ~seen ;P Mar 29 18:31:07 ~seen t-tan Mar 29 18:31:09 t-tan <~tanner@connect.tuebingen.mpg.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 3h 40m 38s ago, saying: 'X-Fade: ok, I was just checking the webpage'. Mar 29 18:31:21 Arif_: how well does the sip client work. On my N95 the cpu usage is pretty high. does it consume a lot of resources on N900. and is there a G729 codec available? Mar 29 18:31:26 sorry for the highlight X :( Mar 29 18:31:46 no idea about the codec Mar 29 18:31:57 yeah there is G.729 Mar 29 18:32:07 the phone lats considerably shorter though Mar 29 18:32:13 about 20 hours connected for me Mar 29 18:32:42 jatt: if you have a skype account, every contact with a phone number has a "call with skype" button Mar 29 18:32:54 Arif_: does N900 get warm on using sip? N95 heats up after about 20minutes of sip usage with g729 Mar 29 18:33:02 no Mar 29 18:33:23 not here atleast Mar 29 18:33:30 jatt: or you can dial a number, then hit call type and change it to skype before you press call Mar 29 18:33:57 * Arif_ got his N95 warm by listening to radio with eq in coreplayer :D Mar 29 18:33:59 trumee: a lot of the backends / middleware are open source, very few of the UI components are except hildon desktop Mar 29 18:34:30 marcus__, ignore scratchbox, use madde Mar 29 18:34:40 wolf^: Madde is what? (: Mar 29 18:34:54 * marcus__ googles "madde" Mar 29 18:35:02 Robot101: so applications like Conversations, Calendar and Email client not opensource? Mar 29 18:35:11 trumee: ah, email client is Mar 29 18:35:23 trumee: the backends to conversations / calendar are, but not the UIs Mar 29 18:35:25 marcus__, http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE Mar 29 18:35:37 trumee, Robot101, good point, one thing I really want to do it be able to modify the contact list app... Mar 29 18:35:48 but why Madde and not scratchbox? Mar 29 18:35:59 marcus__, instead of (crappy) chroot you get integration with your prefered windows/linux environment Mar 29 18:36:00 multiple rolodexes, encrypted contact lists, add specific call handling behaviour to certain contacts Mar 29 18:36:02 Robot101: i guess the UI's will be fully opensource in meego. Mar 29 18:36:15 wolf^: Seems fair enough (: Mar 29 18:36:20 madde is nice, but not prime-time ready yet Mar 29 18:36:37 trumee: depend - on the same commercial reasons that make them not open in maemo Mar 29 18:36:42 marcus__, compiling sdl application should be as simple as just calling make Mar 29 18:36:50 srsly? :O Mar 29 18:36:51 marcus__, you have pkgconfig and all the nice stuff Mar 29 18:37:01 trumee: stuff like patents, market differentiation, avoiding clone devices, etc Mar 29 18:37:16 marcus__, in case of madde, you just need to prepend "mad" command first, like "mad make" Mar 29 18:37:18 trumee: so it will be better, and maybe there will be a lot of open apps, but maybe manufacturers will choose to replace some of them Mar 29 18:37:42 trumee: otherwise their device is identical to everyone else's except for the hardware Mar 29 18:37:48 Robot101: those apps are core to the phone. it will be a shame if they are not opensourced. community can really help on improving the featureset of these core apps. Mar 29 18:37:57 I am not sure about my wifi setup, I have a wifi router in my home, my laptop works fine with it, but my n900 asks for a wifi protected setup, where I need to "push a button on the wireless station" but which button? Mar 29 18:38:00 s long as there are open variiants available Mar 29 18:38:01 which isn't what they're going for, otherwise they'd just use android :P Mar 29 18:38:14 wolf^: Aha, what is the case of scratchbox then? (: Mar 29 18:38:33 trumee: right, well there's obviously a trade-off to make if you decide to do something yourself rather than share it with the community - maintenance cost is one of those factors too Mar 29 18:39:00 I'm a hardened open source zealot but even I can understand there are commercial reasons why it's not practical or desirable to open source every last thing Mar 29 18:39:19 marcus__, scratchbox is a chroot environment (so you don't have your favorite tools, or have them in versions lacking features you're used to) Mar 29 18:39:22 much as I'd love to say Collabora only ever did OSS for Nokia, it's not always true - it is mostly :) Mar 29 18:39:51 wolf^: Ah okay. Thanks Mar 29 18:39:59 Robot101: what is meego going to do which maemo doesnt, if the core apps will not be opensourced. Mar 29 18:40:02 marcus__, it has x86 maemo libraries, so you can "emulate" your application and arm libraries, so you can prepare build for the device Mar 29 18:40:10 marcus__, but since you're using sdl, you don't need that Mar 29 18:40:30 marcus_: So I wouldn't need madde for sdl apps? or? Mar 29 18:40:49 trumee: share investment on the lower levels for sure - and I think there will be a core app set that comes with the platform - I just wouldn't assume every manufacturer will want to use everything identical to their competitors Mar 29 18:41:00 Robot101: is meego simply re-inventing the wheel (operating system) Mar 29 18:41:18 marcus__, madde basically is a cross-compiler Mar 29 18:41:31 wolf^: Okay, perfect. Mar 29 18:41:36 marcus__, you need it, if you want to make arm binaries, ie. such ones that can be run on the device Mar 29 18:41:42 trumee: not really, it's a net reduction in duplication of effort because it means intel and nokia are co-operating rather than having their own platforms Mar 29 18:41:43 yeah Mar 29 18:41:57 Well, thanks a lot. I'll look into that. Mar 29 18:42:47 Robot101: fair enough. Mar 29 18:43:10 trumee: anyway, this is nothing official, just some opinions from a pointy-haired boss :) Mar 29 18:43:33 trumee, yeah, maemo and moblin are meego. Even /I/ know that ;-). Robot101 , I think it is a good thing, I really hope meego becomes a strong player, and if it isn't all open source, I hope you can fork it and install a completely open stack (i.e. I hope it will be possible to put 'untrusted' code on your phone) Mar 29 18:44:03 Robot101, are you a PHB at Nokia perchance? Mar 29 18:44:11 Robot101: nevertheless those closedsource apps NEED a decent API. So guys eager to implement cool stuff like Tel Answering Machine, or improved Contacts with contact specific ringtone, or the like, could really get a grip on the whole thing Mar 29 18:44:16 svscvsc: no, Collabora (www.collabora.co.uk) Mar 29 18:44:41 Ah right. I already whois you. I am curious if any Nokia folks are around (specifically any based in Berlin) Mar 29 18:44:59 DocScrutinizer: I think it's obvious that the powers that be recognise the value of API, that's what this Qt lark is all about :) Mar 29 18:45:25 let's hope and pray and wait and see Mar 29 18:45:54 for now I'm tempted to nuke the whole dialer and contacts shit Mar 29 18:46:17 DocScrutinizer, what do you mean by nuke? rewrite them yourself? Mar 29 18:46:18 and replace with something RE based Mar 29 18:46:27 yep Mar 29 18:46:30 aha. what is RE? Mar 29 18:46:39 reverse engineering Mar 29 18:46:43 I am slow, it was a long day and I gave blood. aaah I see. Mar 29 18:46:48 will it be possible to remove maemo5 from N900 and install meego on it. does N900 have a bootloader like grub or lilo? Mar 29 18:47:05 dialer you could replace - one of our guys just wrote a rotary dialler app :P Mar 29 18:47:12 would prolly use lilo Mar 29 18:47:14 but we had guys in the contacts team, they wanted to add a plugin API but there wasn't enough time for it because of death by a thousand cuts Mar 29 18:47:20 trumee: n900 will be reference platform for meego0 Mar 29 18:47:28 syncml and bluetooth and SMS means you get *every broken vCard ever* Mar 29 18:47:33 rotary dialer app? Mar 29 18:47:33 That is cool. I hope it is painfully slow Robot101 , I am not using any fancy rotary dialer unless it clicks and takes an age to dial 0 Mar 29 18:47:35 they spent weeks (months?) on that Mar 29 18:47:37 and NOLO bootloader is more like uBoot Mar 29 18:47:44 DocScrutinizer: can you explain that in plain english please. Mar 29 18:47:50 DocScrutinizer: uboot is a little bloated compared to nolo :) Mar 29 18:47:50 where is the sourse? Mar 29 18:47:50 source? Mar 29 18:48:04 Stskeeps: ack Mar 29 18:48:23 http://www.mdhjakten.se/dela/?id=dti2d6s Mar 29 18:48:25 dmj726_n900: NOLO is closed - it has TI secret sauce in it for controlling OMAP platform security and booting the nokia cellular gubbins etc Mar 29 18:48:45 well, me off for dinner. ping DocScrutinizer51 in a few minutes if you want to talk to me ;-P Mar 29 18:48:50 oh Mar 29 18:48:58 You could make a rotary dialer app for iPhone using javascript, CSS3, or even just some javascript and PNGs... and the call:// url function I think, but you'd have to have a 'dialplan', i.e. know how many digits they want to dial before you send the call command Mar 29 18:48:59 DocScrutinizer: does it means all the devs will be doing the develpoment on N900s. Mar 29 18:49:00 http://spectrum.myriadcolours.com/~marnanel/0324b/02/rotary-02.png Mar 29 18:49:01 :) Mar 29 18:49:19 Robot101, how did they handle the dialplan for the rotary... it had a 'call' button too? (you could do that in the iPhone page too) Mar 29 18:49:27 svscvsc: dunno Mar 29 18:50:18 (0[9x]|1xx) or something. I over complicate things. I am tempted to google is someone has made a javascript rotary phone with call:// url yet Mar 29 18:50:21 I need to make a dialer app that speaks or make the built in phone app speak Mar 29 18:50:32 guys, will all devs of meego will use N900 to test the code? Mar 29 18:50:45 what does reference platform mean? Mar 29 18:50:49 dmj726_n900: not too hard, is just one d-bus method call to Telepathy Mar 29 18:51:17 dmj726_n900: (to make it dial) Mar 29 18:51:37 Robot101: how will this stop the usual shit from popping up on inbound calls? Initiating call is just a simple subset of the tasks of dialer Mar 29 18:51:48 quick question: Can SDL and the accelerometer be used together? Mar 29 18:51:55 DocScrutinizer: it's designed to be hard to stop it from coming up :P Mar 29 18:52:08 that's the whole point Mar 29 18:52:19 why it needs a MUCH BETTER API Mar 29 18:52:20 is it possible to make the phone app ui not come up? Mar 29 18:52:33 you can probably shuffle it out of the way, but it's slightly cheating... Mar 29 18:52:49 the call UI always coming up during a call isn't do with the API, it's to do with how Nokia chose to use it Mar 29 18:53:03 because there are regulatory requirements that there's always a UI for billable stuff like calls Mar 29 18:53:14 isn't the next version supposed to use ofono? Mar 29 18:53:16 Robot101: contact specific ringtones. Please head away how to implement Mar 29 18:53:33 "iRetro Dialer 1.4 is $1.99 (USD) and available worldwide exclusively through the App Store in the Utilities category." Mar 29 18:53:50 did i step into talk.maemo.org? Mar 29 18:53:51 :P Mar 29 18:54:09 Yikes! I don't think web pages can make sounds in iPhone, can they? I'll grok that s/iPhone/webkit mobile Mar 29 18:54:24 Which reminds me, what browser is setup on maemo by default? Is it webkit? Mar 29 18:54:25 Robot101: or a TAM Mar 29 18:54:33 microb Mar 29 18:54:43 DocScrutinizer: the guy who sits opposite me and works on contacts has gone home, so I dunno Mar 29 18:55:11 you can see when the phone is ringing using a Telepathy observer, and answer it, and probably pull the PCM data out with a monitor source in pulseaudio Mar 29 18:55:25 the problem isn't osso-adressbook though. The problem is dialer has control over ringtone playback Mar 29 18:56:04 if you kill a couple of files, you can stop the dialer from being loaded Mar 29 18:56:16 and probably also on routing of audio from mic to modem and vice versa Mar 29 18:56:26 need a new dialer then right? Mar 29 18:56:33 pulseaudio+csd route the audio by themselves Mar 29 18:56:36 Robot101, who is your dbus expert at your company? Mar 29 18:56:46 well this is just great. once again Mar 29 18:56:50 Robot101: yep, of course. Highly hackerish and huge ammount of RE Mar 29 18:56:53 svscvsc: about half of the company :P Mar 29 18:57:04 DocScrutinizer: not huge, it's a public API that the dialer uses Mar 29 18:57:12 when using the SDK/scratchbox, will compiling stuff use libraries/includes from the host system or maemo-specific scratchbox files? Mar 29 18:57:12 blimey, things got busy while I was afk Mar 29 18:57:31 k, -> dinner Mar 29 18:57:39 DocScrutinizer: guten appetit. Mar 29 18:57:43 DocScrutinizer: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/ - cellular extensions at http://git.collabora.co.uk/?p=rtcom-telepathy-glib.git;a=summary Mar 29 18:59:10 svscvsc: we run into a lot of d-bus issues with a lot of the work we do, telepathy, address book, etc Mar 29 18:59:23 svscvsc: so people who work on those end up patching dbus, dbus-glib, etc Mar 29 18:59:32 svscvsc: we did some profiling/performance stuff too Mar 29 18:59:51 svscvsc: when we started work on telepathy I patched dbus-python so much for our prototypes that I became the maintainer :P Mar 29 19:00:36 Ah, cool, I was trying to use dbus-python to flatten the memory footprint of my script, I forget which issue I ran into before I switched tack Mar 29 19:01:01 #dbus has a lot of Collabora folks in Mar 29 19:01:20 Oh, I rant in there a lot. I feel like old friends Mar 29 19:01:42 It has worked for me splendidly Mar 29 19:01:59 I have had 1500 dbus sessions all running sychronously and in control, it was just resource heavy Mar 29 19:02:37 Because there is no minimal messaging app that I found (I tried qdbus, but something happened...) Mar 29 19:04:01 Robot101, Ideally, I've like to make each message in the form of 'dbusget ADDRESS /the/path WHATITIS' and have it wait on the reply rather than async (I used async, and it was wonderful, but I prefer making each request atomic) Mar 29 19:04:22 Like applescript Mar 29 19:06:11 svscvsc: that's 'sync' not 'atomic' Mar 29 19:09:09 humm. isn't it past 19:00 UTC? Mar 29 19:09:36 sure Mar 29 19:09:41 almost 10 minutes Mar 29 19:09:43 what's happening? Mar 29 19:09:43 :P Mar 29 19:09:44 luke-jr, no, I mean, each request is atomic, it connects, says something, returns a result, I am not connecting, and reusing a connection Mar 29 19:10:11 That is atomic (and yes, it is BLOCKING (the opposite of async, not sync (in terminology speak)) Mar 29 19:10:24 Oh my. I missed a parenthesis. ) Mar 29 19:12:07 svscvsc: d-bus python blocks by default, but the problem is that yes it's syncronous, but it's *not* atomic Mar 29 19:12:37 svscvsc: if you block waiting for a method reply, you change causal ordering of messages arriving back at you, because you wait for one thing to finish and to get the response, and ignore the signals that come in the meantime Mar 29 19:13:42 hi all! I'm trying to enable the n900's fm transmitter using dbus. Getting the state property works, but trying to set it tells me: No such property: state Mar 29 19:13:46 any ideas? Mar 29 19:13:59 I see. The command I want to send are basically 'start, stop' to a process. There are other things. Maybe I'll re-address this. The problem is the VM startup (I used java-dbus) and I want to run 1500 sessions. anywho. Mar 29 19:14:21 Robot101, which would be ok if I could access all the sessions from one VM, but like I said, I tried and hit my head on a brick wall a few times Mar 29 19:17:54 mh, someone posted how to turn on the screen over dbus in here a couple of days ago., I forgot how Mar 29 19:18:11 Stskeeps: gsoc2010 student application should have opened 15 minutes ago Mar 29 19:18:34 ah now its open Mar 29 19:18:35 ;) Mar 29 19:18:38 and I'd like to switch screen to 'keep on' via dbus Mar 29 19:18:59 DocScrutinizer: that would be even better. I'm using x2x from the n900 now for use with my desktop but the screen keeps turning off Mar 29 19:19:57 there's a 'keep on' option in xchat. Might check that Mar 29 19:24:13 Robot101: (ringtone) honestly, each shit is via mce and dbus. Just playback of ringtones seems wasn't worth to integrate in the larger picture of having a notification entity Mar 29 19:25:37 which feels outright odd and stupid, from a system architecture POV Mar 29 19:25:46 ringtone playback got ugly near the release because of performance concerns Mar 29 19:26:04 hum? Mar 29 19:26:38 well if you're watching a flash video and the browser is using all of the RAM and CPU, you still want the phone to ring and the UI to appear :P Mar 29 19:26:44 this multitasking stuff cuts both ways Mar 29 19:27:01 priorities? Mar 29 19:27:05 any word on PR 1.2 ? Mar 29 19:27:29 ack Mar 29 19:27:58 but that was targeted by phone stuff kept resident in background Mar 29 19:28:03 mce as well Mar 29 19:28:32 any news on being able to write SMS regularly without keeping the phone in landscape mode? Mar 29 19:28:44 so ringtone playback could live in mce as well Mar 29 19:29:13 * ShadowJK ponders bme Mar 29 19:29:40 bbl, Wrestlemania 26 ;) Mar 29 19:29:45 DrGrov: you could tweak USSDpad easily to do that Mar 29 19:29:59 DocScrutinizer51: how? do enlighten me ;) Mar 29 19:30:07 so, does anyone know if building stuff in scratchbox will use the hosts qt includes, or the scratchbox/sdk ones? Mar 29 19:31:11 Well I can't even access host includes when in scratchbox I think? :) Mar 29 19:31:24 well, it needs a little bit of python coding. And replacing the call to pnatd by a dbus call to send the sms Mar 29 19:31:41 hay all :D Mar 29 19:32:12 ShadowJK: that would mean that the libqttracker master branch doesn't compile. Which woulnd't surprise me, as I tried it natively on the host system and got shouted at by #qt people for not using their "pristine" version and instead used the archlinux package (which is == upstream with a single, unrelated patch applied) Mar 29 19:32:33 ShadowJK: because it gives the exact same error in the scratchbox build as on my desktop linux. Mar 29 19:32:53 Robot101: thanks for the URLs btw :-) Mar 29 19:33:18 DocScrutinizer51: there's some more docs which will be released after PR1.2 because the APIs are broken atm *ahem* :P Mar 29 19:33:45 Does anyone know the Widget type of the 'popup' window, which only uses half the screen? Mar 29 19:33:46 could someone with a qt 4.6 install or a pr1.2 scratchbox *please* try and compile libqttracker? it clone git://gitorious.org/maemo-af/libqttracker.git; cd cd libqttracker/; qmake && make Mar 29 19:34:45 http://www.mdhjakten.se/dela/?id=dti2d6s Mar 29 19:34:47 sure lets Mar 29 19:36:37 Robot101: I was thinking pr1.2 is already released, for all that matters wrt specs Mar 29 19:36:52 API specs Mar 29 19:39:08 DocScrutinizer51: I think it's more that the examples wouldn't work properly due to bugs that were fixed in PR1.2, so waiting until afterwards is more polite :) Mar 29 19:41:21 Robot101: well, scratchbox 1.2 could use the specs right now, no? Mar 29 19:41:37 http://www.mdhjakten.se/dela/?id=dti2d6s Mar 29 19:41:41 what scratchbox? Mar 29 19:42:17 amanda1: what's that link?! Mar 29 19:43:28 school stuff Mar 29 19:44:47 >( Mar 29 19:46:09 why is it relevant to us? Mar 29 19:46:20 DocScrutinizer51: eh, well, dunno. not my decision guv... Mar 29 19:47:13 Umm, what's a good way to start programming in pyGTK? Mar 29 19:48:05 by opening your editor Mar 29 19:48:08 MohammadAG: http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pygtktutorial/ though I'd strongly recommend writing in qt instead ;) so, this would be the tut to do in that case: http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4/ Mar 29 19:48:29 Shapeshifter, and which is easier? Mar 29 19:48:36 or actually, in my case, faster? Mar 29 19:48:44 uhm, qt and qt? Mar 29 19:48:54 though I don't have anything to back up this claim ;) Mar 29 19:48:56 faster to learn :) Mar 29 19:49:09 * RST38h moos at the moon again Mar 29 19:49:27 MohammadAG: well for once, Qt API is much much better Mar 29 19:49:30 with nice examples and stuff Mar 29 19:49:38 so that makes learning it easier. Mar 29 19:51:59 downloaded the pages Mar 29 19:52:06 thanks Shapeshifter :) Mar 29 19:53:03 hi Mar 29 19:53:15 i would like to install Maemo SDK on getnoo Mar 29 19:53:30 i got a bit confused so far with all different options avaliable .. Mar 29 19:53:55 errordeveloper: http://geektor.blogspot.com/2009/12/maemo-5-sdk-in-gentoo.html Mar 29 19:53:55 i have scratchbox both v1 and v2 branches installed on the systen Mar 29 19:54:00 system Mar 29 19:54:10 but what's inside of it is a bit confusing .. Mar 29 19:54:12 why both? Mar 29 19:54:21 trumee: are you on gentoo Mar 29 19:54:23 ? Mar 29 19:54:25 errordeveloper: yes Mar 29 19:54:28 sven-tek: just in case .. Mar 29 19:54:47 one more case to confuse only Mar 29 19:54:51 trumee: there scratchbox abeuild for the version 3 Mar 29 19:54:53 errordeveloper: i followed the instructions on the link above Mar 29 19:55:10 i have emerged that, but not sure what to do next Mar 29 19:55:29 errordeveloper: i did not use the the ebuild. followed the link above Mar 29 20:00:30 So. Has someone been able to compile libqttracker in the maemo 1.2 SDK? Mar 29 20:00:47 trumee: i see .. Mar 29 20:04:26 hi, which is the default root password for the n900? I installed the ssh server but don't know the root password... Mar 29 20:04:57 jatt: sudo gainroot and then passwd to set a new one. Mar 29 20:05:13 If you install it via HAM you get a dialog asking you to enter a new root password :-) Mar 29 20:06:35 ShadowJK: yes I installed it and I saw the dialog box briefly but I pressed the screen or a button and somehow the box disappeared. the ssh server was installed though. Mar 29 20:07:36 I just tried sudo gain root on the xterm and I get> Mar 29 20:07:36 Enable RD mode if you want to break your device Mar 29 20:07:40 :) Mar 29 20:07:44 install rootsh Mar 29 20:08:03 after installing rootsh, do "sudo gainroot" not "sudo gain root" Mar 29 20:08:11 * GAN900 wonders why the hell his N900 is now clicking when taking photos. Mar 29 20:08:13 oops yeah that was a typo Mar 29 20:08:32 anybody know how i can treat incoming phone numbers in the sip:$number@siphost.com like existing phone numbers? Mar 29 20:08:55 I did sudo gainroot I wrote here wrong Mar 29 20:13:56 button.modify_bg(gtk.STATE_NORMAL, gtk.gdk.color_parse("Black")) Mar 29 20:14:13 great, it worked, thanks Shapeshifter, Shapeshifter Mar 29 20:14:22 I'm not sure why this isnt changing the background color Mar 29 20:14:28 I mean ShadowJK Mar 29 20:14:42 anyone tried EnnaMeida Center? Mar 29 20:18:47 On the N900, when you receive grps settings from your provider, it asks you whether or not to automatically connect to the data connection when there's no wifi available. It also says you can later change that behaviour in the settings. Does anyone happen to know where that setting is? Thanks. Mar 29 20:19:45 Rinsmaster, settings > internet I think Mar 29 20:20:05 settings>internet connections Mar 29 20:20:08 or "internet connection" Mar 29 20:20:10 yeah Mar 29 20:20:18 MikaT, I've looked everywhere under "Internet connections" but I can't find such an option Mar 29 20:20:30 not in the general thing and not in the settings of a data connection Mar 29 20:20:40 Or I guess I'm blind :/ Mar 29 20:20:48 "automatically connect to"..... Mar 29 20:21:01 There is an option for wifi to auto connect.. Mar 29 20:21:12 poke it ;p Mar 29 20:21:18 you can set it to none/wifi/3g/both Mar 29 20:21:27 ooooh lol Mar 29 20:21:35 * Rinsmaster facepalms Mar 29 20:21:45 hildon touch selector facepalms, too Mar 29 20:21:54 not obvious enough =D Mar 29 20:21:54 the joys of touchscreens \o/ Mar 29 20:22:08 haha Mar 29 20:22:46 well, thanks guys, it's working now :) Mar 29 20:23:38 hmm i appear to have just been hit by the "duplicate folder" bug, anyone knows how to fix? Mar 29 20:23:50 I have teh same bug Mar 29 20:23:54 wait for Pr1.3 Mar 29 20:24:02 or Moogo Mar 29 20:24:06 also, one more thing: Is it possible to remove data connections? Mar 29 20:24:18 yes Mar 29 20:24:21 the delete buttons is grey on them Mar 29 20:24:31 select them first Mar 29 20:24:43 I'm not that dumb xD Mar 29 20:25:36 the thing is, my provider sent me like 4 useless profiles, and I don't need all, but they can't be removed... Mar 29 20:26:08 you managed to save more than 1? Mar 29 20:26:10 congrats ;P Mar 29 20:26:19 Arif_: well surely theres some way to remove those duplicates? do you know why they are shown? Mar 29 20:26:41 I don't know :D Mar 29 20:26:58 ~bug duplicate folder Mar 29 20:27:00 Arif_, yes, an MMS one, and two internet ones, of which one one works (they say the other is for older phones...) Mar 29 20:27:19 I could only save one APN Mar 29 20:27:20 heh Mar 29 20:28:16 I guess I'll look around in gconf for where this is stored Mar 29 20:28:20 * Arif_ doesn't know why he has 2 of all the folders Mar 29 20:28:32 /system/osso/IAP/ or smth Rinsmaster Mar 29 20:28:57 Rinsmaster: /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/ Mar 29 20:30:02 frals, thanks Mar 29 20:32:43 did nokia break background colors for buttons in maemo? Mar 29 20:35:46 now you say break Mar 29 20:35:52 I have a nice idea for a new thread Mar 29 20:35:58 "speculate what Nokia will break in PR1.2" Mar 29 20:37:23 hello, some stupid questions from me.. when will next firmware for maemo be update? and when can we use 3g video calls? - just bought nokia n900 today, and its sadly to see i cant use 3g video call since iam deaf :( so its kinda bad buy Mar 29 20:37:24 dmj726_n9001: I've seen it before Mar 29 20:38:19 solox, soon, most likely never Mar 29 20:38:22 solox: you might have wanted to read the specs before buying. it's extremely unlikely that it will be officially supported at any time in the future. ho Mar 29 20:38:52 :/ so why did nokia put front camera there if theres no use for it? Mar 29 20:39:02 same reason ther's an IR port Mar 29 20:39:20 the hardware was designed 2+ years before the software was finished? :P Mar 29 20:39:24 solox: there is an use Mar 29 20:39:25 solox: the quality is a bit ad for the camera :/ Mar 29 20:39:28 bad Mar 29 20:39:31 solox: do you have jabber? Mar 29 20:39:33 solox: next firmware will be out in couple of weeks, if we are lucky this this week. Nokia don't give out any dates, so no one know for sure Mar 29 20:39:37 and i did read there was 3g and such on mobile. but they on the shop never told us that 3g video call isnt avb. and the worst thing they knew that were 3g Mar 29 20:39:42 no i dont have jabber Mar 29 20:39:47 solox: on the other hand, it is really useful for any degree of text Mar 29 20:39:51 get a jabber Mar 29 20:40:03 yeah maybe so, but did bought mainly the phone for to use video calls 3g Mar 29 20:40:04 solox: you can make video calls Mar 29 20:40:23 ill get jabber but it wont work as 3g video calls no? Mar 29 20:40:24 what is best to install, Mer or easy-debian? I have an external SD card for Mer, but does it still require me to take off my battery after shutting down? Mar 29 20:40:31 solox: no Mar 29 20:40:40 solox, get a differnet phone Mar 29 20:40:45 I think they did break it. Mar 29 20:40:51 who uses video calls anyways Mar 29 20:40:54 i never made one Mar 29 20:40:55 we deafs does Mar 29 20:41:00 sign language and all that Mar 29 20:41:09 bah, very sadly :( Mar 29 20:41:17 why is gtk so broken? Mar 29 20:41:21 videocalling is very popular in Turkland Mar 29 20:41:52 we are from sweden, and we use video call 3g cause we cant use the normal phone call to hear and such :/ Mar 29 20:41:54 solox: except for the video calling, it is probably the most capable communicator you'll ever have, when it comes to chat and stuff Mar 29 20:41:57 dmj726_n9001, same reason most opensource stuff is half broken ?:P Mar 29 20:42:13 hi guys a general question for you Mar 29 20:42:15 * fnordianslip wonders what the actual bandwidth of sign language is Mar 29 20:42:29 solox: video calling works perfectly on gtalk Mar 29 20:42:30 yeah stskeeps. i know.. i have also n97. but nokia should added 3g video call for deafs Mar 29 20:42:36 about the same as speach, i expect Mar 29 20:42:39 solox: and you can also do that with MSN if you install aMSN Mar 29 20:42:56 who would want to make it so buttons must be gray? Mar 29 20:43:02 yeah but im not out for video call as msn etc.. more out for 3g call so i can easily catch my deaf friends and call them on 3g Mar 29 20:43:02 I got a n810. Do you think it is safe to move the internal memory to ext2 or ext3. and mount /home there ? or make a symbolic link to there ? Mar 29 20:43:24 solox: it isn't so much about the feature but the camera quality :/ Mar 29 20:43:27 same question with /usr/share Mar 29 20:43:38 stskeeps: is the camera quality very bad? Mar 29 20:44:08 you can try the "mirror" app to see how it is Mar 29 20:44:21 yeah, see for yourself Mar 29 20:44:23 on my N810, a non neglectable part of the devide memory is used by locales i will never use. is it safe to remove the ones I won't use ? Mar 29 20:44:24 maybe its better to go to the shop tomorrow and ask if they can change telephone. or will the firmware update the front camera and add 3g video call? Mar 29 20:44:32 yea, ill do it Mar 29 20:44:33 we don't know. maybe. Mar 29 20:44:42 don't count on it Mar 29 20:44:57 Nokia adding features to a phone is an exception :P Mar 29 20:45:13 ;( Mar 29 20:45:27 sadface now. going to the shop and whine tomorrow i guess Mar 29 20:45:30 solox: no, unfortunately it is not in the changelog and since it would be very difficult for them not to publicise such a wonderful change, I don't think 3G videocall will work when PR1.2 is out Mar 29 20:45:54 feel sorry for you, I understand your need for 3G videocall. Mar 29 20:46:09 hmm okay, thx for ur help anyways :) but the thing i dont understand the shop didnt told us that 3g video call werent in the telephone etc. Mar 29 20:46:33 most shops probably don't know Mar 29 20:46:40 no worries, things will anyways sort out anyhow :D Mar 29 20:46:44 by the way, is pidgin randomly opening browser links when scrolling in #maemo for anyone? Mar 29 20:47:11 odds are 3G videocall is not possible with the modemchip used in N900 Mar 29 20:47:21 just a wild guess Mar 29 20:47:40 it is really annoying. Mar 29 20:47:51 no idea about the 3G specs for videocalls Mar 29 20:47:54 DocScrutinizer51: really? how so? why? Mar 29 20:48:45 ptl: obviously there's some OTA protocol involved, which might not be supported by modem Mar 29 20:49:33 I mean, *somehow* they need to push the vidoe thru UMTS Mar 29 20:50:15 its joke if nokia dont add 3g video call at n900 as almost all another phones already have it ;x Mar 29 20:50:16 that's for sure a different story than simple GSM voicecalls Mar 29 20:50:24 sadly since n900 is kinda very nice phone Mar 29 20:51:02 solox: in Nokia's notion N900 is an internet tablet, no phone Mar 29 20:51:08 is it safe to move /home to the internal memory on a N810, provided i reformat the partition to ext2/3 ? Mar 29 20:51:20 solox, Nokia is just too lazy to add basic features =D Mar 29 20:51:38 Arif_: stop trolling Mar 29 20:52:09 godrik: In N900 it isn't, but I don't know about the N810. Mar 29 20:52:43 DocScrutinizer51: let him troll the owners of trolltech, Nokia should have put more effort in 3G videocalling. :) Mar 29 20:53:00 its not trolling Mar 29 20:53:46 ptl: the GSM chip is intel afaik. If it doesn't support video-over-umts by design (or by firmware), then Nokia is out of luck Mar 29 20:54:00 DocScrutinizer: ?! the GSM chip is Nokia's :P Mar 29 20:54:09 ptl: I'll assume it is not then Mar 29 20:54:10 ill go to the shop and if thats not good enough answer. then ill try call nokia and whine some :) Mar 29 20:54:29 Robot101: ohh! then ptl is absolutely right Mar 29 20:54:45 gsm chip does 3g video, it'd be silly not to Mar 29 20:54:45 :P Mar 29 20:55:25 fsck, the gsm chip didn't even work with some "3G"-SIMCARDS Mar 29 20:55:58 I doubt it requires much from the GSM firmware that's not well supported by Nokia's stuff Mar 29 20:56:03 y no at&t support? Mar 29 20:56:26 and dialer/modem-FW still doesn't know how to do USSD correctly Mar 29 20:56:42 but this is corrected in PR1.2, isn't it? Mar 29 20:56:53 it's supposed to, yes Mar 29 20:57:26 USSD? Mar 29 20:57:36 *# codes Mar 29 20:58:03 most of the complexity of 3G video isn't in the cellular thing, it's some crazy mash-up with SIP or some Hxxx standard that nobody else uses Mar 29 20:58:06 H261 maybe? Mar 29 20:58:09 can't remember what it's called Mar 29 20:58:22 Unstructured Supplementary Service Data Mar 29 20:58:24 DocScrutinizer: decided to be ill instead, sorry. there look like there's some appropriate threads on the ML Mar 29 20:58:53 jacekowski: ever received those "pop up" messages from carriers, say balance notice, etc? Mar 29 20:58:59 H.323, most likely. Mar 29 20:59:29 Jaffa: 1.2 repo? Mar 29 21:00:26 nokia just thought "that'll do" regarding almost any aspect of the n900. Mar 29 21:00:31 * DocScrutinizer coughs on H.323 Mar 29 21:00:32 hi, can i bind my keys so that when i press fn+enter, tab is sent, and so? Mar 29 21:00:47 and I'm guessing they were a bit baffled by the sales figures. They might have done better if they had known how many people would buy it. Mar 29 21:01:00 PR1.2 might be out the same day as meego day one? Mar 29 21:01:21 LuciusMare: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo Mar 29 21:01:33 DocScrutinizer: thanks Mar 29 21:01:43 Shapeshifter, I hope for the same route as the 5800 ;) Mar 29 21:02:30 Shapeshifter: that's good news, I think Mar 29 21:02:34 Shapeshifter: they knew, at least 4 months befor rollout Mar 29 21:02:44 by the # of preorders Mar 29 21:02:55 DocScrutinizer: well 4 months is little time I guess Mar 29 21:03:06 yep, esp for sw development Mar 29 21:03:22 Maybe they have forecast N900's sales based on N800 and N810 sales Mar 29 21:03:39 and honestly, I cursed them for holding back the device to "fix some issues" Mar 29 21:03:40 HALLLLLLP Mar 29 21:03:48 like, well, it will sale a little bit more because it has cellphone capabilities, say 20%, so let's put just 20% more effort on it Mar 29 21:03:50 asj: no Mar 29 21:03:58 asj: but o2 doesn't send them Mar 29 21:04:07 My /home is full Mar 29 21:04:11 anyone have a tip for me? Mar 29 21:04:12 ~rename phreck shreck Mar 29 21:04:12 asj: i recieved only one in 2 years Mar 29 21:04:15 s/it will sale/it will sell/ Mar 29 21:04:16 ptl meant: like, well, it will sell a little bit more because it has cellphone capabilities, say 20%, so let's put just 20% more effort on it Mar 29 21:04:23 uhhuh Mar 29 21:04:36 phreck: move some files to a memory card and ln-s them Mar 29 21:05:03 is there a way to flash the emmc? Mar 29 21:05:10 i wiould rather just do that. Mar 29 21:06:44 phreck: how tf you managed to fill 2GB with data you happily will discard by reflashing?? Mar 29 21:06:49 ive got files from about 4 reflashes sitting on this thing. Mar 29 21:06:59 its not any data i need. Mar 29 21:07:26 libs and programs that were from testing that didnt uninstall properly, or got left behind Mar 29 21:07:27 * DocScrutinizer suggests rm -rf /home/user then Mar 29 21:07:36 heh Mar 29 21:07:46 maybe even rm -rf /home Mar 29 21:07:51 will that mess anything up? Mar 29 21:08:00 where can i get jabber btw? cant find it on ovi store atm Mar 29 21:08:07 less than your suggested eMMC reflash Mar 29 21:08:18 hmm, maybe more Mar 29 21:08:29 yea Mar 29 21:08:32 Solox: jabber support is native Mar 29 21:08:37 but hey, eMMC flashing will recover anyway ;-P Mar 29 21:08:42 there is an emmc flashign tool isnt there? Mar 29 21:08:58 it's called flasher :-P Mar 29 21:09:28 lol i have it nm. Mar 29 21:09:32 3.5 Mar 29 21:09:41 blah. 11 megs left in /home Mar 29 21:09:45 what to do. Mar 29 21:09:51 1.2's out? Mar 29 21:09:54 why the noise=? Mar 29 21:10:17 honestly, why don't you just do a 'du -x /home | sort -n' and decide to delete some montrous unneeded files? Mar 29 21:10:44 because none of them are needed =P Mar 29 21:10:56 tzz Mar 29 21:11:08 RTFM Mar 29 21:11:11 man rm Mar 29 21:12:22 ROTFLCOPTER? Mar 29 21:14:12 * DocScrutinizer feels severy nasty headache coming from effort to decode "ive got files from about 4 reflashes sitting on this thing." Mar 29 21:16:30 i reflashed the device without uninstalling all the junk on it, if you want to be a snide fuck then please, go for it. If youre going to be of no help, then just be a decent person and say so. Mar 29 21:17:32 /ignore phreck Mar 29 21:17:48 well done sir. Mar 29 21:18:12 DocScrutinizer: actually, I wouldn't mind you using /kick in this case ;) Mar 29 21:18:24 really?? Mar 29 21:18:26 ill just flash the emmc. Mar 29 21:18:27 nah Mar 29 21:18:30 thanks for the help. Mar 29 21:18:42 DocScrutinizer: ok ok I overreact Mar 29 21:19:18 FYI, we are not all powerusers. Sorry for being a noob in your presence. Mar 29 21:19:19 * ShadowJK attempts to jam mugen's giant N900 battery into his N810 Mar 29 21:19:30 LOL Mar 29 21:19:40 sjk :D Mar 29 21:19:47 lol Mar 29 21:20:00 sjk: how long life w/ the mugen? Mar 29 21:20:20 eh dunno, I never had the patience to find out Mar 29 21:20:27 yo Mar 29 21:20:33 that's long then ;) Mar 29 21:20:39 though if I can get it to make contact in N810 I can measure it :P Mar 29 21:20:55 I had it booting already, but BSI pin made no contact and N810 refused to charge it Mar 29 21:20:57 * DocScrutinizer suggests 4L and 5J won't pair Mar 29 21:21:24 DocScrutinizer, the receptables/pins are exactly right, but the notch in the middle of the battery isn't Mar 29 21:21:53 cut it away, mate ;-P Mar 29 21:22:59 * ShadowJK boots again and hopes for BSI :D Mar 29 21:23:10 I added a thin piece of paper, folded once Mar 29 21:23:14 * DocScrutinizer remarks $l is about 10mm wider and 5mm longer than 5J Mar 29 21:23:17 4L Mar 29 21:23:27 I added some padding ;p Mar 29 21:23:54 ShadowJK, how bricky does the N810 get? :p Mar 29 21:26:52 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi9HLCpAYYg&feature=player_embedded Mar 29 21:26:55 programming school Mar 29 21:30:48 amanda1: what's the programming part about it? and what the school part? Mar 29 21:31:16 Arif_, this bricky: http://enivax.net/jk/n810-burp.jpg Mar 29 21:31:19 funny animals - fine :-S Mar 29 21:31:47 sweet! :P Mar 29 21:32:37 yay, a pregnant N810 - LOL Mar 29 21:34:09 maybe I should get a battery analyzer instead... Mar 29 21:34:27 why? Mar 29 21:34:41 I want to measure that battery's real capacity :-( Mar 29 21:35:02 duh, now THAT is eeeeaaasy Mar 29 21:35:06 doesn't the N900 say in some funky command? Mar 29 21:35:14 What would you say, how difficult is it to implement a 'desktop search' widget for maemo5 based on tracker and using qt? From what I read until now I'd just need to enable tracker to index more stuff (already has support for things like emails and the like) and write a qt widget. examples for both are supplied. it's very doable, isn't it. Mar 29 21:35:17 Arif_, it's made up :) Mar 29 21:35:22 aw Mar 29 21:36:10 With the mugen battery it actually says 1100mAh after full charge... but then the battery drain really slow... sometimes it drains at same reported rate as the normal N900 battery, but then after awhile the meter just stops and shows 0 change for some time :) Mar 29 21:36:29 and occasionally the meter corrects itself upward too Mar 29 21:36:43 thoroghly confused, in other words :) Mar 29 21:36:44 ShadowJK: connect battery to a DMM with rs232 readout option, and a 10Ohm shunt. Then record the voltage minute for minute, and grab your calculator Mar 29 21:37:22 DocScrutinizer, oh yeah, webcam, DMM and OCR software is plan C Mar 29 21:37:40 ShadowJK: the 'meter' in N900 is a bq27200 calibrated for 1200mAh Mar 29 21:38:07 do we know yet if it's used or not? Mar 29 21:38:12 nope Mar 29 21:38:31 trying to talk to it directly from userspace is plan B ;p Mar 29 21:38:34 at least if we == DocScrutinizer Mar 29 21:39:05 is there any sample code for coding up python apps in Maemo? just basic stuff like how to pop up a page with a button Mar 29 21:39:28 DocScrutinizer, I had a comment from someone claiming that a friend had looked over the real and released schems, and found that they were very behind. Mar 29 21:39:39 ShadowJK: get I2C-utils and get root perm, then you're fine from userspace Mar 29 21:39:58 FSCK Mar 29 21:40:03 :-((( Mar 29 21:40:15 DocScrutinizer, fun things happen if bme and me try to access it at same time though? :) Mar 29 21:40:24 well now that's war >:-( Mar 29 21:40:36 Nokia 'leaking' fake schematics Mar 29 21:40:56 ShadowJK: yep, of course Mar 29 21:41:05 current and leaked I meant Mar 29 21:42:22 SpeedEvil: though the 'friend of a freind' scheme always makes me somewhat doubtful Mar 29 21:42:43 yes Mar 29 21:43:41 meh, anyone happen to know if you can somehow make weave on firefox use a custom server? Mar 29 21:44:18 well, the schem are leaked. there's nothing to change that fact. Why not ask Nokians to comment on correctness of those leaked schem? Mar 29 21:45:04 X-Fade: ^^^ any chance? Mar 29 21:46:31 well FSCK THE SCREWS - I GOT SCOTCHTAPE Mar 29 21:47:00 now's the moment my patience has expired Mar 29 21:47:06 lol Mar 29 21:47:12 maemo is Debian derived, isn't it? Mar 29 21:49:54 DocScrutinizer, what're you asking X-Fade for? Mar 29 21:53:20 wow. Mar 29 21:53:26 anyone know if themes are optified? Mar 29 21:53:36 powersave with remote x is unpleasent Mar 29 21:54:38 Arif_, which themes? :) Mar 29 21:54:55 I'm thinking of installing all the D-THEMEs Mar 29 21:55:01 to see how they look :D Mar 29 21:55:39 themes are not optify Mar 29 21:56:08 veno Mar 29 21:56:16 Venomrush, depends on the theme. :) Mar 29 21:56:24 hi, just started the SDK, mafw-dbus-wrapper clobbers my terminal. how can I get it to stop? Mar 29 21:56:27 default themes are not optify Mar 29 21:56:35 Venomrush, duh. Mar 29 21:56:50 Nothing default is generally optified Mar 29 21:57:07 Unless there's a script to handle it post flash Mar 29 21:57:37 okay...what about a simple python app with a GUI on Maemo that has source? Mar 29 22:00:32 How hard is it to modify the kernel? Can modules be loaded if they are built separately? Mar 29 22:01:29 OMFG the vibrator is soldered to main PCBA Mar 29 22:01:50 win Mar 29 22:01:57 did you find a bq27200 yet Mar 29 22:02:16 GAN900: I'm asking for a semi-official statement from Nokia on correctness of the leaked schematics Mar 29 22:02:50 DocScrutinizer, X-Fade works for maemo.org. :P Mar 29 22:03:05 ShadowJK: the falling man - while passing floor 5 - "not that bad till now" Mar 29 22:07:14 ShadowJK: till now all been much too easy - literally (screws been almost loose). Now for the nasty part -after a beer and a cigg - opening the cans Mar 29 22:08:29 SpeedEvil: seems you're read L3/4 thoroughly - any recommendations on this nasty task? Mar 29 22:08:44 I'd be having beer too to steady my hands Mar 29 22:08:52 (except "use new lids for reassembly" :-P ) Mar 29 22:09:08 nope Mar 29 22:09:17 I like hotmelt glue Mar 29 22:09:21 no surprise :-S Mar 29 22:09:33 glue something to top of cans Mar 29 22:09:42 HEH :DD Mar 29 22:11:36 I'll cling to a sharp pinpoint knife (smallest size swiss army) Mar 29 22:12:00 some dentist tools might come in handy Mar 29 22:14:49 good luck! Mar 29 22:15:02 jeronimooooo Mar 29 22:15:05 hey all, anyone know if there is a port of the nano editor? Mar 29 22:15:51 yes Mar 29 22:16:14 what repo is it in? Mar 29 22:16:38 iirc I got it from sdk tools repo Mar 29 22:16:54 and probably via apt-get Mar 29 22:16:55 aah ok Mar 29 22:17:01 sometimes I get the mmc mounted when I plug the usb cable, but most of the time it's the root... anybody knows how to force it to be the mmc_ Mar 29 22:17:06 ty Mar 29 22:17:59 I get both MyDocs and microsd, as separate drives Mar 29 22:18:59 ShadowJK: really? I did in the past but not anymore... maybe it's my kernel Mar 29 22:19:04 brb Mar 29 22:23:24 nevermind Mar 29 22:25:45 setp one acomplished - fatalities: 0 Mar 29 22:25:49 step Mar 29 22:26:24 remaining steps: 4..6 for opening cans Mar 29 22:29:08 how's the friggin uSD sub-PCB fixed to main? Mar 29 22:30:37 btw: whole rapuyama area (under large can) looks *exactly* like on schem photo Mar 29 22:31:50 and the lids come of relatively easy, wth brute force applied XP - start to love SpeedEvil's idea Mar 29 22:33:03 but that uSD assy is in the way, and doesn't want to come off Mar 29 22:34:01 *sigh* Mar 29 22:34:59 The IR-TX LED looks *rather* beefy Mar 29 22:35:14 mhm Mar 29 22:35:17 evening Mar 29 22:35:22 moin Mar 29 22:35:29 i disassembling ur device? Mar 29 22:35:31 you Mar 29 22:35:33 yep Mar 29 22:35:42 nite all, sweet dreams Mar 29 22:35:44 hehe .. have fun Mar 29 22:36:03 gnnhnhnhhnn, adrenaline junky Mar 29 22:36:19 let us know if it gets to passing around the hat Mar 29 22:36:28 hehe Mar 29 22:36:56 ShadowJK: sorry my English fails on parsing that one Mar 29 22:37:14 kollekte sammeln ... Mar 29 22:37:22 aah Mar 29 22:37:29 kindof Mar 29 22:37:41 yeh :) Mar 29 22:38:01 nah, for better tools maybe Mar 29 22:38:25 well from the pics and vids i seen so far its reasonable possible to disassemble the device (with some care) Mar 29 22:38:40 or for medical treatment of exeperimentator Mar 29 22:38:49 valium? Mar 29 22:39:04 I LOVE MAEMO Mar 29 22:39:08 lol Mar 29 22:39:09 tell me how to unmount that fsckng uSD sub-assembly Mar 29 22:39:22 desolder? :) Mar 29 22:39:31 nope Mar 29 22:39:43 well dunno i didnt disassembled mine yet and dont plan to do so soon Mar 29 22:39:48 might be sticky, or a hidden latch or screw Mar 29 22:39:50 i only do that when its necessary Mar 29 22:39:59 there are instructions for that Mar 29 22:40:13 i wont use force :) Mar 29 22:40:21 me neither Mar 29 22:40:25 well not on my device at least Mar 29 22:40:34 but you can call me anytime to use force on your device ... Mar 29 22:41:00 sudo bring be a jaegermeister Mar 29 22:41:20 http://maemocentral.com/2009/11/30/download-the-n900-service-manual-see-the-n900-get-disassembled/ Mar 29 22:41:53 lot of one-time disposeable items .. Mar 29 22:42:29 yeah, will recycle them ;-P Mar 29 22:43:54 but that friggin 'memory card pcb' is either shown like it never been mounted to the main pcb, or they didn't bother to remove it. But nowhere any clue how to actually remove it Mar 29 22:44:02 orly .. i thought i have a stock of them :P Mar 29 22:45:09 how do i use osk instead of the keyboard? Mar 29 22:45:40 * cehteh looks into the service manual Mar 29 22:45:47 PhonicUK: touch the text box with the slider closed Mar 29 22:46:07 * RobbieAB is not yet ready to risk slagging his N900 Mar 29 22:46:08 nothing happens Mar 29 22:46:23 Weird Mar 29 22:46:25 You'll need to turn it on in the Settings Mar 29 22:46:33 Oh yeah :$ Mar 29 22:46:34 i have Mar 29 22:46:36 (If you haven't already) Mar 29 22:46:47 Keyboard also needs to be closed iirc Mar 29 22:46:53 do i need to restart any apps? Mar 29 22:47:02 using xchat atm Mar 29 22:47:36 ah i didn't click save Mar 29 22:47:46 lol multitask fail Mar 29 22:48:02 Could someone give an example of Cmake to install mutt, please. Mar 29 22:48:06 Need to get 61,5MB of archives. Mar 29 22:48:06 After this operation, 5718kB disk space will be freed. Mar 29 22:48:07 E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. Mar 29 22:48:07 wow Mar 29 22:48:08 via apt-get dist-upgrade Mar 29 22:48:26 nice big osk :) much easier to use Mar 29 22:48:33 PhonicUK: Ah, that'll be it ;) Mar 29 22:48:48 should I apt-get dist-upgrade even if HAM does not tell me that option? Mar 29 22:49:13 im so glad i didnt get an android based phon Mar 29 22:49:32 ptl: I wouldn't Mar 29 22:49:42 ShadowJK: why not? Mar 29 22:50:03 How can I get full apt-get to N810? Mar 29 22:51:20 hehe DocScrutinizer indeed, they dont detach the sd pcb from the mainboard Mar 29 22:52:53 moment .. on the last page it is detached Mar 29 22:54:45 friggin fuckin sticky. (/me whipes sweat off forehead) Mar 29 22:56:51 :) Mar 29 22:57:16 tellya there's really a difference in ripping apart a Freerunner and its LCM when those were shipped to you as engineering samples, or do a comparatively simpler task on a device you paid 600 bucks for Mar 29 22:57:53 :-P Mar 29 23:03:52 ok, SpeedEvil ShadowJK cehteh whoever: please apply now for any particular detail to look up on the N900 hw. I won't disassemble next week a second time Mar 29 23:04:45 highest res photos of everything should mostly cover it Mar 29 23:05:34 hmmm yeah my thought run cyrcles around that. No camera, no decent flatbed scanner Mar 29 23:05:44 including details like where fmtx ant is exactly. Mar 29 23:05:46 ah Mar 29 23:05:47 circles even Mar 29 23:06:06 mirror + own cam? Mar 29 23:06:11 lol Mar 29 23:06:49 what is not decent flatbed? Mar 29 23:07:14 one that needs fuckin redmond driver crap Mar 29 23:07:58 boot it once? Mar 29 23:08:22 I.E HP ScanJet G2410 Mar 29 23:08:45 I have a scanner like that Mar 29 23:08:45 * DocScrutinizer sighs emotionally Mar 29 23:09:01 but it scans to SD/jpeg too Mar 29 23:09:47 nn all Mar 29 23:09:53 n8 Mar 29 23:10:29 4.6.2~git20100224-0maemo1+0m5 0 Mar 29 23:10:30 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free Packages Mar 29 23:10:44 PR1.2 seems to be available through the SDK (and apt-get) Mar 29 23:11:11 SpeedEvil: I guess I'll stand the pain and keep the rocks until tomorrow, to scan on my friend's scanner, and have some shots with a decent cam as well Mar 29 23:11:38 ptl: known fact Mar 29 23:12:07 probably sane. Mar 29 23:12:09 hmm Mar 29 23:12:10 ptl: don't make me angry, I can *not* update ATM Mar 29 23:12:15 DocScrutinizer: ... Mar 29 23:12:23 ATM? Mar 29 23:12:28 lol Mar 29 23:12:28 rather than trying to write it all down. Mar 29 23:12:45 please look for accessible usb VCC/GND solder pads to route wires out for a charge cradle Mar 29 23:12:52 ~atm Mar 29 23:12:53 somebody said atm was (Asynchronous Transfer Mode) A networking protocol designed to move multimedia data around with high reliability and speed. Some ISPs use ATM as the protocol for their backbones. "atm" is also an acronym for: at the moment; automated teller machine; a tall man... Mar 29 23:13:01 cehteh: ok Mar 29 23:13:22 also any clues to the debug pads Mar 29 23:13:25 ~wtf atm Mar 29 23:13:27 ATM: at the moment Mar 29 23:13:51 a tall man? ^^ Mar 29 23:14:03 and is there are space for a microswitch for toggling on stylus insert/removal? ... where is i2c accessible? Mar 29 23:14:24 for some reason SeriesFinale 0.5-1 was available (from apt-cache policy) but HAM didn't upgrade it Mar 29 23:14:32 is maemo-devel blocked or something? Mar 29 23:14:34 i better dont ask for usb host mode connections :) Mar 29 23:14:34 you can bitbang i2c on the sd connector Mar 29 23:14:39 seems like I'm not getting much from it Mar 29 23:14:49 SpeedEvil: ah ok Mar 29 23:14:56 just had to wget seriesfinale deb and dpkg -i it, though it showed in apt-cache policy Mar 29 23:15:12 not ideal though - but easy. Mar 29 23:15:27 If sd cards wew Mar 29 23:15:29 automatische Tellermaschine :-P Mar 29 23:15:49 were 2.5mm thick, it would be great for modding Mar 29 23:15:50 ^^ Mar 29 23:16:33 Does anyone know this issue from HAM? Mar 29 23:17:08 cehteh: why do you think I disassemble the shit? USB-Hostmode top on list Mar 29 23:17:26 mircroswitch for stylus noticed Mar 29 23:17:39 Does anyone have coded with SDL under Maemo 5? Mar 29 23:17:40 heh i thought either you look for that already OR you dont want to be bothered about :) Mar 29 23:18:04 well - you could do it with I2C to usb host bridge Mar 29 23:18:13 but that would be silly Mar 29 23:18:22 * SpeedEvil crosses fingers Mar 29 23:18:29 bq* chip Mar 29 23:18:32 Wouldn't USB over bluetooth be possible for low-bandwidth applications? Mar 29 23:18:47 would Mar 29 23:19:01 if you got the right USB device on you Mar 29 23:19:07 also is it possible to fix the usb connector better than only the solder pads, cable strap or wire around and through the pcb .. but i guess that would be a hard mod Mar 29 23:19:12 crashanddie_, requires a adaptor which is at best annoying to make Mar 29 23:19:24 blob of epoxy Mar 29 23:19:30 cehteh: nevertheless a good idea Mar 29 23:19:53 no one can give me some hints? Mar 29 23:20:09 if you could drill some holes left and right of the usb connector .. but with a multilayer board this is a bit delicate Mar 29 23:20:24 * crashanddie_ gives embedded 1 hint Mar 29 23:20:34 You know have 1 hint [Use, Discard, Attack] Mar 29 23:20:39 s/know/now/ Mar 29 23:20:39 crashanddie_ meant: You now have 1 hint [Use, Discard, Attack] Mar 29 23:20:47 * DocScrutinizer grabs *paper* and *pen* to do a checklist Mar 29 23:21:03 unusual exercise Mar 29 23:21:06 ??? Mar 29 23:21:06 also - look for dead spaces. Mar 29 23:21:15 You now have 1 pen and 1 sheet of paper [Use, Discard, Attack] Mar 29 23:21:20 at least while you are at it you can check your usb connector and maybe carefully add a drop of superglue Mar 29 23:21:30 :p Mar 29 23:22:27 (the tip with epoxy is a bit bogus, epoxy wont very well adhesive against the connector surface, superglue wont be perfect either but better than nothing) Mar 29 23:22:39 just take care that nothing soaks into the connector Mar 29 23:22:42 won't very well adhesive? Mar 29 23:22:45 what kind of language is that Mar 29 23:22:55 You speaky Englishy properly, yesh? Mar 29 23:22:55 filled epoxy blob filling whole space. Mar 29 23:22:56 i dont know how to phrase that in english Mar 29 23:23:20 epoxy wouldn't stick to the connector surface properly? Mar 29 23:23:26 ah yes Mar 29 23:23:27 ok Mar 29 23:23:32 thats what i meant Mar 29 23:23:33 or "properly stick to the connector surface" Mar 29 23:23:33 it will Mar 29 23:23:39 anyway Mar 29 23:23:46 or "adhere to the..." Mar 29 23:23:56 I should probably go to sleep. Mar 29 23:24:07 Goodnight/luck! Mar 29 23:24:20 not very well, you have to sand the surface or make it otherwise coarse Mar 29 23:27:04 SpeedEvil: night Mar 29 23:27:54 cehteh: don't mess with crashanddie_'s delicate sense for correct English :-D Mar 29 23:27:59 im back from the void of powermanagement Mar 29 23:28:13 * DocScrutinizer goes messing around with N900 hw Mar 29 23:28:33 DocScrutinizer: o rly Mar 29 23:29:35 DocScrutinizer: has any played with and confirmed the serial and usb points under the battery? Mar 29 23:30:25 well, practically they have no use there, you may look for some space to wire them out Mar 29 23:31:07 why no use? Mar 29 23:31:20 good for jigging a dead unit back to life. Mar 29 23:31:36 device doesnt work without battery inserted, yeah for some lab experiments its ok Mar 29 23:31:55 but when you want to connect some external hardware for real its no fun Mar 29 23:32:08 i bet the jig connection interfaces directly with the chip, i doubt it needs the battery. Mar 29 23:32:25 possibly Mar 29 23:33:00 well if you find a way to keep the device alive while externally powered but remove the battery that would be cool Mar 29 23:33:07 changing battery without reboot Mar 29 23:33:29 but i think that might be a hardware or closed software (bme) limitation already Mar 29 23:33:57 BQ27200 in place where it should be, according to the supposedly 'wrong' schematics Mar 29 23:34:18 like i said the interface is prob independent of the device. Mar 29 23:34:21 fsck, my nerves Mar 29 23:34:26 haha Mar 29 23:34:43 you do well :) .. keep on Mar 29 23:34:47 I know it's a bit late, but that "you have .. [x,y,z]" from before reminded me of this http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/guitarhero-textadventure.gif Mar 29 23:34:54 first another cig Mar 29 23:35:14 i have gin and tonic water at home .. :) Mar 29 23:35:26 http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-F8T031-Bluetooth-Wireless-Printer/dp/B0001D3JY0 Mar 29 23:35:30 anyone ever looked into this? Mar 29 23:35:39 come over, bring it here Mar 29 23:36:33 i forgot where you are Mar 29 23:36:37 well, 24 minutes left to get me some at my pub Mar 29 23:36:45 dl i think. Mar 29 23:36:56 we had lug meeting earlier :) Mar 29 23:37:26 i could do with a lug but i dont think there is one about here. Mar 29 23:38:18 c u l8r Mar 29 23:38:23 bbl :) Mar 29 23:38:34 hehe dont irc from pub today :P... Mar 29 23:39:32 anyone know of a lug bucks area? never found anything Mar 29 23:39:59 bucks area? where is that? Mar 29 23:40:02 wth is a lug? Mar 29 23:40:10 linux user group Mar 29 23:40:31 buckinghamshire,uk Mar 29 23:40:43 meh, don't go to such meetings Mar 29 23:40:49 it's utter disappointment time after time Mar 29 23:41:02 You end up teaching 60-somethings how to install their mouse Mar 29 23:41:02 you are just antisocial :P Mar 29 23:41:03 the cool kids dont. :0 Mar 29 23:41:51 well here are no much n00bs Mar 29 23:42:03 well, there's you Mar 29 23:42:09 karlsruhe germany Mar 29 23:42:50 Need some help: We're working on Arabic localization for Maemo 5, but It seems this right-to-left writing thing is not working properly. see: http://de.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=kejl8m&s=5 and ideas please? Mar 29 23:43:14 the lug was founded in '96 Mar 29 23:43:26 If I'm looking to provide a dhcp server on my N900, is there a maemo "default"? Mar 29 23:44:56 RobbieAB: isn't dhcpcd ported? Mar 29 23:45:49 Aranel: you mean it's centered to the right? Mar 29 23:45:58 crashanddie_: I think so, but so also is dnsmasq. Mar 29 23:45:59 that didn't make any sense Mar 29 23:46:15 Aranel: you mean it's alligned to the right of the image? Are the letters correctly written from right to left? Mar 29 23:46:21 (I can't read arabic) Mar 29 23:46:27 crashanddie_: yes it is. even it's a right-to-left language, we want to align it to left. Mar 29 23:46:35 yeah i know Mar 29 23:46:54 its displayed correctly but on wrong alignment. Mar 29 23:46:54 alignment has nothing (or very little) to do with orientation :) Mar 29 23:46:57 ok Mar 29 23:47:19 Aranel: this seems like a pretty easy fix, and could benefit a lot of users Mar 29 23:47:21 Aranel: have you checked the bugtracker? Mar 29 23:47:24 crashanddie_: I'm looking to try and get bluetooth PAN Access Point mode working. For that, I need to be able to get the PAN master working, which means handing out IP-addys. Mar 29 23:47:55 RobbieAB: there's been some work on making the N900 a wifi AP (but only in ad-hoc mode) Mar 29 23:47:58 crashanddie_: oh, nope :/ I'll :) Mar 29 23:47:59 with connection sharing and all that Mar 29 23:48:42 RobbieAB: I know they did NAT (which you probably will want as well, if you're going to do relaying), and most probably also DNS Mar 29 23:48:58 crashanddie_: JoikuSpot, I know... Mar 29 23:49:18 Is that the name? Didn't even know it had a name Mar 29 23:49:37 I was wondering what dhcp server most people use. dnsmasq or one of the pure dhcp servers. Mar 29 23:49:40 somone who was involved in early community development told me that full AP mode would be possible, dunno if thats really true and whats missing Mar 29 23:50:07 cehteh: it's unlikely unless we get open source drivers for the card Mar 29 23:50:10 cehteh: from what I understand, kernel level forwarding. Mar 29 23:50:22 if you make an iptables capable kernel i see no reason why it cant. Mar 29 23:50:34 C-S-B-N900: Exactly. Mar 29 23:50:49 C-S-B-N900: iptables is done, no issue there, it's allowing the card to operate in AP mode Mar 29 23:50:49 there are iptables / nat enabled kernels around Mar 29 23:50:56 I was planning to start kernel tweaking once I had the basic BT networking running. Mar 29 23:51:03 but the driver/firmware like crashanddie_ saied needs to support it Mar 29 23:51:13 crashanddie_: WiFi AP or PAN AP? Mar 29 23:51:24 wifi Mar 29 23:51:26 what has nokia NOT opened? Mar 29 23:51:37 the kernel is not tainted Mar 29 23:51:40 Nokia is not the issue Mar 29 23:51:44 but loads some blobs Mar 29 23:51:53 C-S-B-N900: BME, gpsdriver, etc Mar 29 23:51:58 NOLO Mar 29 23:52:00 TI is the issue .. and some other hardware producers Mar 29 23:52:07 crashanddie_: Ok, there is some weirdness going on with that I believe. I think it may simply be not wanting to play with non-default kernels though. Mar 29 23:52:08 cehteh: TI has nothing to do with BME Mar 29 23:52:14 BME is 100% Nokia blame Mar 29 23:52:19 well speaking about kernel Mar 29 23:52:24 luke-jr: BME? Mar 29 23:52:28 BME should be part of the kernel Mar 29 23:52:29 and bme doesnt control wifi Mar 29 23:52:33 all i want is monitor mode and injection on the wifi Mar 29 23:52:36 yeah Mar 29 23:52:46 C-S-B-N900: so you can burn your battery in 8 minutes? ;) Mar 29 23:52:56 crashanddie_: yup. Mar 29 23:53:01 That's why I want PAN AP mode :p Mar 29 23:53:10 It would be a lot more effective to have USB-host. Just attach a USB-dongle with external antenna Mar 29 23:53:12 well .. i just like to set the battery low warning higher Mar 29 23:53:29 if you get it and dont run to the charger its too late Mar 29 23:54:00 Not in my world Mar 29 23:54:09 I don't know what you guys did to your batteries lol... Mar 29 23:54:18 Anyway, I guess dnsmasq is as good as anything for dhcp. Mar 29 23:54:28 crashanddie_: i thought that usb was impossible on a hw level? Mar 29 23:54:35 I just need to work out how to configure it now :p Mar 29 23:54:37 RobbieAB: also look into openvpn Mar 29 23:54:40 *usb host Mar 29 23:54:45 C-S-B-N900: there's been so many things said and done I don't believe it anymore Mar 29 23:55:00 cehteh: What does that add? :s Mar 29 23:55:03 C-S-B-N900: I had Nokia Engineers tell me it wasn't possible, then I had Nokia Engineers it was 100% possible, etc, etc, etc Mar 29 23:55:25 * RobbieAB HAS got BT PAN working, so the rest is just configuration. Mar 29 23:55:31 C-S-B-N900: hardware level as in wireing, maybe with more or less efforts and resoldering you get it working, Doc will look after that Mar 29 23:55:52 DocScrutinizer: you get that? Mar 29 23:56:00 he is in the pub Mar 29 23:56:10 Say goodbye to warranty once you approach a soldering iron to the N900 Mar 29 23:56:16 hehe and didnt take his n900 with him today :P Mar 29 23:56:17 well, not that I have any warranty on my device anyway but still Mar 29 23:56:22 warranty isn't much good anyway Mar 29 23:56:22 off course. Mar 29 23:56:27 cehteh: you guys a gay couple or something? Mar 29 23:56:29 *of Mar 29 23:56:45 crashanddie_: eh why, no Mar 29 23:56:47 what is DocScrutinizer then? Mar 29 23:57:02 cehteh: you just know way too much from each other's lives :P Mar 29 23:57:15 im techy, but i wouldnt rely on me for usb host Mar 29 23:57:19 crashanddie_: he told that he goes to the pub here in this channel 20 minutes ago, pay attention Mar 29 23:58:17 we should have our gps link to irc so we all know where we are. Mar 29 23:58:21 lol Mar 29 23:58:25 bah .. op abuse :P Mar 29 23:58:28 :D Mar 29 23:59:28 C-S-B: should be doable as away and privmsg autoresponse Mar 29 23:59:52 but scary Mar 30 00:00:08 well since doc's n900 lies disassembled at home this wont help today anyways Mar 30 00:00:13 again, I don't trust geoloc, and even so, it would only be usable when GPS goes through buildings, and is powered by body-produced current Mar 30 00:00:53 i was a bit surprised that my n900 got a gps fix on my couch Mar 30 00:01:10 so again what does DocScrutinizer do in order to reverse engineer the n900 Mar 30 00:01:13 Yeah, it's not a bad GPS unit Mar 30 00:01:27 shame that the software sucks donkey balls though Mar 30 00:01:40 i was surprised to, i get gps in under a min from the car Mar 30 00:01:52 look what connections he can reach and figure out, study datasheets Mar 30 00:02:31 nokia should just open the hw too. Mar 30 00:02:55 C-S-B-N900: They probably don't own it all Mar 30 00:02:59 dish out the info, they would make so many more sales. Mar 30 00:03:07 they prolly cant, lots stuff is licensed from TI and others Mar 30 00:03:30 5BJDzB/nxdQXJnG/UK/quH7oMXy0plwuIwwcxxXdoNVE1nAk2ong0C4uKAo55CTACpWEf0g7+viT /9H/HjlTYoi/TLGM0AaGakiZH/Zw9Uyo4f0XUC0XRyKG/ZKBwgig8BpElJmH03PO0+thnAJ9Kgdq rxfYnyGPjnR9W/bAtismlEfKwn+fHer1YEggy8ghA/wanegsbERnEgv8FJ4lgqxgbplACzV6QVAX Mar 30 00:03:31 I dont think most mobile phone users give a hoot about open hardware Mar 30 00:03:37 crap, sorry Mar 30 00:03:38 well and they prolly wont, at least some people are surely against such a move Mar 30 00:04:10 open hardware is nice, but first open software Mar 30 00:04:18 C-S-B-N900: Opening the hardware specs will make very little difference to their sales. If Open hardware was such a big thing, where are all the OpenMoko devices? Mar 30 00:04:43 RobbieAB: well it would make it even easier for china cloners Mar 30 00:04:56 while these give a shit on technical identical clones Mar 30 00:04:57 i think that the n900 is a more commercial hacker phone venture Mar 30 00:05:13 just lookalike and much cheaper is their goal Mar 30 00:05:54 Opening hardware specs only makes a difference when you can change the hardware upstream Mar 30 00:05:54 but well .. the n900 just production and pieces cost without development is way lower than its street price Mar 30 00:06:10 I think the N900 is a the prototype, beta as it were, for the next model in the line. It's still a little too rough around the edges to try and take on the iPhone Mar 30 00:06:11 so somone who clones the hardware can make it substantially cheaper Mar 30 00:06:36 RobbieAB: hi, welcome to 2005, check out the 770 Mar 30 00:06:36 RobbieAB: well i fear that the next modell will be less geekish Mar 30 00:06:47 anyone who says the N900 is a prototype never held a 770 in their hands Mar 30 00:07:10 * C-S-B-N900 should have kept quiet Mar 30 00:07:15 same thing for people thinking the n900 is geekish, whatever Mar 30 00:07:28 i bet they remove some toys .. no stylus because capacitative, no ir port, no fm transmitter and so on Mar 30 00:07:30 crashanddie_: I have used an N810, it's more polished, but it's still not really a viable competitor to the iPhone. Mar 30 00:07:42 just a guess .. but i would bet on it that some things will get scrapped Mar 30 00:08:03 i like the ir and fm tx. Mar 30 00:08:04 on the other side maybe more ram/flash and faster processor for the next model Mar 30 00:08:12 i actually use them. Mar 30 00:08:17 yeah Mar 30 00:08:34 cehteh: Only if their marketing guys are stupid. The next model keeps the toys, because otherwise they loose the geek value. Mar 30 00:08:36 these where just examples .. dunno what else could be scrapped Mar 30 00:08:53 And that way they don't retain their big fans Mar 30 00:08:55 RobbieAB: Nokia has a long history of stupid marketing decisions Mar 30 00:09:10 if they make the fm tx more powerful it's definitely a keeper, IR not so much Mar 30 00:09:13 it's not cost effective Mar 30 00:09:30 well .. and the geeks are now satuated with n900's and wont buy the next one at least i wont Mar 30 00:09:43 fmtx is fine unless your planning a neighbourhood pirate station. Mar 30 00:09:43 sure they will Mar 30 00:09:46 cehteh: And they also have a history of getting somethings right. Mar 30 00:10:00 crashanddie_: its already more powerful than most countries regulations allow Mar 30 00:10:02 C-S-B-N900: haven't been able to get it to work tbh Mar 30 00:10:05 C-S-B-N900: none of my cars manage to get it Mar 30 00:10:22 and that was the main thing I wanted to use it in Mar 30 00:10:25 crashanddie_: are you sure it even txs? Mar 30 00:10:33 nope Mar 30 00:10:36 well, yeah Mar 30 00:10:37 i had a dead fmtx in my first unit. Mar 30 00:10:38 I think it will depend what the next one offers the geeks. Simply boosting the RAM and CPU would make it more attractive, simply as a portable computer. Mar 30 00:10:39 RobbieAB: more so lala and solid production quality and a shitload of well working low end phones kept them in business Mar 30 00:10:40 got a very faint signal Mar 30 00:10:48 C-S-B-N900: mine is a pre-prod device Mar 30 00:11:01 howd you get that? Mar 30 00:11:05 cehteh: tanks, I call them Mar 30 00:11:15 C-S-B-N900: maemo summit in amsterdam Mar 30 00:11:21 cehteh: How did they GET to be so big? They got something right way back when Mar 30 00:11:37 crashanddie_: what creds do you have to get it? Mar 30 00:11:41 C-S-B-N900: Nokia gave away 300 phones on the first day Mar 30 00:11:45 yeah .. shitload of well working phones (but not highend ones) Mar 30 00:11:56 C-S-B-N900: I'm just a community member and I paid for my own hotel/transport Mar 30 00:12:03 gave away? Mar 30 00:12:19 well, we signed a contract that we have to return them at some point Mar 30 00:12:37 so by all accounts, turn up at the right time, get free phone? Mar 30 00:12:38 cehteh: They grasped the whole "phone as a fashion item" long before anyone else did. Mar 30 00:12:49 i dont mean that bad, they have a reputation for good phones, but yet not soo much grip on the high end market, there where some outstanding devices but never by number Mar 30 00:12:57 yes Mar 30 00:13:14 crashanddie_: when do you have to return yours? Mar 30 00:13:15 C-S-B-N900: no, be a good community member and help in development/publicising Maemo and get rewarded more like it Mar 30 00:13:24 C-S-B-N900: soon, sadly, don't know the exact date Mar 30 00:13:31 They sold a phone with "changable covers" as a feature, that takes getting something right in a BIG way. Mar 30 00:13:40 will you be buying one? Mar 30 00:13:47 sure Mar 30 00:13:53 and the next one, and the next one Mar 30 00:14:05 As long as Maemo is worth it Mar 30 00:14:26 RobbieAB: exactly .. but that are not geek gadgets, the old communicator was one, the first of its kind, but it was not *that* successful it was an expensive brick too Mar 30 00:14:52 C-S-B-N900: Nokia did what they had to do so that on day 1, there were apps in the repositories Mar 30 00:15:07 crashanddie_: well id like to help more. Mar 30 00:15:14 C-S-B-N900: they had people review the OS, report bugs, and help make it better for everyone Mar 30 00:15:44 From what I can tell, the most acclaimed users were people helping in the bug reports Mar 30 00:15:51 They even got a special t-shirt for a handful of users, with "Fixed in Fremantle" written on the back Mar 30 00:16:47 crashanddie_: funny, i just sent mine in for RMA because of the fm transmitter. Hasn't worked in the many cars I've tried it and with none of the radios I've tried it with. Hopefully the replacement unit will have that fixed. Mar 30 00:17:01 Some people -- good developers -- even got devices nearly a year before launch Mar 30 00:17:09 well i help in #ubuntu, i should get deep with maemo Mar 30 00:17:09 had to part of it this morning, now currently back on my G1 until that other one comes back Mar 30 00:17:35 they were extremely rough though, the outside of the device not finished at all, different hardware, etc Mar 30 00:17:50 C-S-B-N900: helping in #maemo won't do you any good if you want a free device lol Mar 30 00:18:21 i dont want a free device excatly, just be more of a useful community member. Mar 30 00:18:59 anyway, night guys! Mar 30 00:19:04 night Mar 30 00:25:05 does anyone know how to verify that the system files are installed and booted from the proper memory card after following http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25714&highlight=console+tools and http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=267779&postcount=168 Mar 30 00:25:06 ? Mar 30 00:30:05 wtf - can't I leave you allone for 30min, without you flooding my highlight catcher? Mar 30 00:30:32 DocScrutinizer: how so? Mar 30 00:30:35 DocScrutinizer: what did we do? Mar 30 00:30:38 DocScrutinizer: what catcher? Mar 30 00:30:42 DocScrutinizer: for highlights? Mar 30 00:30:47 DocScrutinizer: does it catch other stuff as well? Mar 30 00:30:53 DocScrutinizer: like un-highlights? Mar 30 00:31:13 does anyone know how to verify that the system files are installed and booted from the proper memory card after following http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25714&highlight=console+tools and http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=267779&postcount=168 ? Mar 30 00:31:25 electronicsjar: mount? Mar 30 00:31:36 electronicsjar: which/ Mar 30 00:31:37 ? Mar 30 00:32:42 electronicsjar: that's for n8x0, you realise that, right? Mar 30 00:33:42 crashanddie_, i'm talking about n810 Mar 30 00:33:46 i do realize that Mar 30 00:43:37 tzz, everybody yaggediyaggs as long as I get me a fast beer, and when I'm back it seems the internets died Mar 30 00:44:45 ~botsnack Mar 30 00:44:46 aw, gee, DocScrutinizer Mar 30 00:44:53 ~good bot Mar 30 00:44:53 :), DocScrutinizer Mar 30 00:46:11 GAN900: cut it out Mar 30 00:46:26 crashanddie_, cut what out? Mar 30 00:46:32 changing the topic Mar 30 00:48:16 GAN900: seems he's dizzy Mar 30 00:50:39 DocScrutinizer: going to make you dizzy :P Mar 30 00:50:56 * crashanddie_ throws a round-house kick at DocScrutinizer Mar 30 00:51:27 whatever, me doesn't care. Got some N900 to rape Mar 30 00:51:57 we all know that's a metaphor for the underage coed you just picked up at the bar Mar 30 00:53:12 * cedar is confused Mar 30 00:56:13 that's what she said Mar 30 00:56:57 OH NOES!! the FPC to uSD assembly comes out of the main PCB somewher between layer 4 and 5, and enters the storage card PCB same way. To connectors, no soldering, nuttin EEEEEK Mar 30 00:57:27 no cigar? Mar 30 00:57:32 s/To/No/ Mar 30 00:57:32 DocScrutinizer meant: OH NOES!! the FPC to uSD assembly comes out of the main PCB somewher between layer 4 and 5, and enters the storage card PCB same way. No connectors, no soldering, nuttin EEEEEK Mar 30 00:57:53 eh? Mar 30 00:57:55 test Mar 30 00:58:00 s/st/sted/ Mar 30 00:58:00 crashanddie_ meant: tested Mar 30 00:58:11 where is infobot? Mar 30 00:58:20 apt: who are you? Mar 30 00:58:23 crashanddie_: I think you lost me on that one Mar 30 00:58:34 seen a nick change Mar 30 00:58:35 apt: take me to your leader Mar 30 00:58:56 ~status Mar 30 00:58:57 Since Fri Mar 26 19:59:00 2010, there have been 11 modifications, 103 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 109 commands. I have been awake for 3d 4h 59m 56s this session, and currently reference 116922 factoids. I'm using about 41852 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 6528.11/195.67 child 0.09/0.03 Mar 30 00:59:07 ~stats Mar 30 00:59:08 Since Fri Mar 26 19:59:00 2010, there have been 11 modifications, 103 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 109 commands. I have been awake for 3d 5h 7s this session, and currently reference 116922 factoids. I'm using about 41852 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 6528.47/195.95 child 0.09/0.03 Mar 30 00:59:11 ~channels Mar 30 00:59:22 ~chaninfo Mar 30 00:59:22 I'm on 108 channels: #debian/872, #maemo/515, #kde/349, #gsoc/285, #meego/194, #wowace/169, #asterisk/160, #openmoko/158, #wowuidev/115, #htc-linux/103, #webos-internals/102, #oe/101, #openmoko-cdevel/93, #wowhead/90, #utah/61, #edev/57, #curseforge/49, #tomcat/48, #uphpu/47, #slug/44, #bzflag/43, #asterisk-dev/42, #sc2mapster/38, #uclibc/36, #wowwiki/34, #norganna/33, #gllug/30, #elive/26, #openezx/25, #/24, #utos/23, #elinux/23, ##kierra/22, ... Mar 30 00:59:22 i've cached 4466 users, 3491 unique users, distributed over 108 channels. Mar 30 00:59:42 ~owner Mar 30 00:59:43 TimRiker is my owner Mar 30 01:00:36 ~whois apt Mar 30 01:00:38 well, apt is apt, or kinky. A Pretty_Cool Tool. APT package handling utility -- command-line interface Mar 30 01:01:12 ~seen infobot Mar 30 01:01:14 DocScrutinizer: i haven't seen 'infobot' Mar 30 01:02:55 hey TimRiker Mar 30 01:02:57 Yeah, we used to have infobot in here, not apt Mar 30 01:04:14 well Mar 30 01:05:47 that was interesting Mar 30 01:06:04 woohoo \o/ Mar 30 01:06:05 thanks tim Mar 30 01:06:53 yeah thanks TimRiker Mar 30 01:10:57 :) dunno why it changed nicks. apt, ibot, infobot, and purl are all different connections from the same bot. Mar 30 01:12:41 hey Tim! Mar 30 01:18:11 TimRiker: thanks for fixing it anyhoo Mar 30 01:25:43 :) Mar 30 01:26:03 ljp: heya! long time no talk. what are you up to these days? Mar 30 01:26:42 still being a troll.. working on Qt Mobility and QSystemInfo specifically Mar 30 01:26:59 how about you? Mar 30 01:27:29 ljp: trying to get this to market: http://Saygus.com/vphone Mar 30 01:27:48 ljp: what's it like working for nokia? LOL Mar 30 01:28:11 the same, but different :) Mar 30 01:28:34 no, it someplace else that thinks different. LOL Mar 30 01:29:41 well, actually, I have been doing Mac dev.. :) Mar 30 01:29:48 hehe Mar 30 01:31:13 ljp: not looking for a remote dev by any chance? Mar 30 01:33:18 crashanddie_: aren't you in QLD? Mar 30 01:36:53 ljp: and how the hell do you know that? Mar 30 01:37:12 oh, there's the Qt dev team in Brissie, isn't there? Mar 30 01:40:03 yup Mar 30 01:40:18 ~botsnack Mar 30 01:40:19 :), DocScrutinizer Mar 30 01:40:20 crashanddie_: I pay attention :) Mar 30 01:40:43 ~praise TimRiker Mar 30 01:40:44 All hail TimRiker! Mar 30 01:41:20 ~flashing Mar 30 01:41:21 flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 30 01:41:34 :-D Mar 30 01:44:25 ljp: scary Mar 30 01:47:19 SpeedEvil: no indications whatsoever about differences between the 'leaked' schematics and what I find inside my N900 Mar 30 02:06:20 are there schematics for the n810 out there? Mar 30 02:17:10 Is there an option in my n900 contacts book to merge all duplicate contacts? Mar 30 02:24:45 i got this error while installing SDK Mar 30 02:24:46 http://dpaste.com/177545/ Mar 30 02:27:42 i'm fallowing this instructions http://geektor.blogspot.com/2009/12/maemo-5-sdk-in-gentoo.html Mar 30 02:36:22 ok, i see it's to do with vdso_enable=0 , but i haven't got VDSO_COMPAT compiled in the kernel Mar 30 02:36:53 so if it needs to be disable ..why would it need to be compiled in then??? Mar 30 02:38:32 ah ..now aby.vsyscall32=0 is the one! Mar 30 02:58:58 is anyone else having trouble with the N900's wifi? Mar 30 02:59:22 in what way? Mar 30 02:59:38 I have a shitty adhoc network, with vista's ICS, which I know isn't the most reliable thing in the world.. but it seems to work well with my laptop, just not my N900 Mar 30 02:59:47 it seems to be extremely slow Mar 30 02:59:52 but it still sort of works **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 30 02:59:57 2010