**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 31 02:59:56 2010 Mar 31 03:02:54 Anybody has been used MaemoThemeMaker? Mar 31 03:03:59 Someone has been used MaemoThemeMaker? Mar 31 03:16:55 hello?? the N900 *started* selling less than half a year ago, and you fear EOL? c'mon get a brain Mar 31 03:18:42 calamari: EOL not quite yet, but another Maemo/MeeGo device is definitely possible. Mar 31 03:19:45 even if they roll out N900++ tomorrow, this by no means is EOL for N900. Especially since next device is probably without kbd and with capacitive touchscreen. A *lot* of people will hate it and go for a N900 even if it were slower and more expensive than the successor Mar 31 03:19:48 DocScrutinizer, thanks, I didn't realize it was only 6 months old Mar 31 03:20:37 calamari: less than that, it only started shipping what... december? Mar 31 03:20:59 yup Mar 31 03:26:35 not me Mar 31 03:26:36 oops Mar 31 03:26:40 wrong window, sorry Mar 31 03:30:41 december yes Mar 31 03:33:05 and when is meego dropping ? Mar 31 03:33:24 that also had to be end of march Mar 31 03:33:31 31rst march is here Mar 31 03:34:50 1 april is day one Mar 31 03:35:38 i am not taking 1rst april for anything now Mar 31 03:35:54 maybe a 600mb file on 1rst april full of 0 ascii !!! Mar 31 03:35:56 :) Mar 31 03:43:38 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RyHDOCOoew Mar 31 03:43:39 Curses to the @#%#@$@%$#$%@#$@ USB charging Mar 31 03:56:36 Someone has been used MaemoThemeMaker? Mar 31 04:04:03 0 ascii? Mar 31 04:05:10 Someone has been used MaemoThemeMaker? Mar 31 04:09:35 anybody has got any contact with theme creation for maemo ? Mar 31 04:26:23 * GAN900 chuckles at the voting overview. Mar 31 04:26:32 Polarizing candidates FTW! Mar 31 04:32:44 hehe i didnt apply :P Mar 31 04:34:59 GAN900: results out? Mar 31 04:35:17 crashanddie, somebody needs to run the calcs Mar 31 04:35:30 I'm at work, I can :) Mar 31 04:35:30 The raw votes are up, though. Mar 31 04:35:43 it's not like I have anything to do or anything Mar 31 04:35:45 GAN900: link? Mar 31 04:36:00 http://maemo.org/vote Mar 31 04:36:21 dneary should have the calcs on the wiki somewhere Mar 31 04:36:43 that's not a lot of vote Mar 31 04:36:43 s Mar 31 04:36:47 though I'm sure he would prefer if it weren't publicly pre-announced. Mar 31 04:37:02 People suck. Mar 31 04:37:58 GAN900: that a ridiculously small amount of vote Mar 31 04:38:54 i think the personal attacks thread probably didn't help Mar 31 04:38:54 :P Mar 31 04:38:57 More candidates you have the fewer votes you get, apparently? Mar 31 04:39:14 Stskeeps, what a mess that was Mar 31 04:39:29 At least it only lasted about a page and a half. Mar 31 04:40:19 what r u guys talking about ? Mar 31 04:41:56 bullet`: maemo.org council elections Mar 31 04:42:52 ok Mar 31 04:46:31 hey guys,do you know how to change wallpapers with api ? Mar 31 04:48:52 GAN900: what's the algorithm again? Mar 31 04:49:27 crashanddie_, don't recall the specifics. Should be on the wiki, though. Mar 31 04:50:04 only two guys cast a blank vote though, that's good Mar 31 04:55:00 damn, there was something I forgot to do... but then no clue whom to vote for Mar 31 04:58:01 guys Mar 31 04:58:06 can u plz help me fix this Mar 31 04:58:11 on cygwin i get this warning Mar 31 04:58:12 cygwin warning: Mar 31 04:58:12 MS-DOS style path detected: /usr/local/bin/E:\Program Mar 31 04:58:12 Preferred POSIX equivalent is: /usr/local/bin/E:/Program Mar 31 04:58:12 CYGWIN environment variable option "nodosfilewarning" turns off this warning. Mar 31 04:58:12 Consult the user's guide for more details about POSIX paths: Mar 31 04:58:14 http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/using.html#using-pathnames Mar 31 04:58:16 Can't find E:\Program on PATH. Mar 31 04:58:25 well Mar 31 04:58:36 if I may cast an initial spell on the vote data Mar 31 04:58:39 Randall, Andrew, Ryan Mar 31 04:59:06 First votes: Randall 97, Andrew 84, Ryan 72 Mar 31 04:59:41 May not be official based on the sliding vote system Mar 31 05:01:00 * RST38h moos evilly Mar 31 05:01:46 crashanddie: Start by asking yourself if it matters... Mar 31 05:02:10 In second sliding vote, three lead are: Ryan 87, Andrew 78, Randall 69 Mar 31 05:03:55 Third sliding vote, Andrew 57, Randall 56, Attila Csipa (Attila77/achipa) 42 Mar 31 05:05:52 GAN900: grats Mar 31 05:06:00 Jaffa: grats Mar 31 05:07:38 hi Mar 31 05:19:09 http://pastebin.com/H4vHLqT9 Mar 31 05:19:26 that's complete output from the installer .. Mar 31 05:19:47 i get the same problem using GUI and script itself Mar 31 05:21:08 'mornin Mar 31 05:21:48 moorning johnx Mar 31 05:22:02 I'm playing with dbus-monitor on the N900 trying to watch for signals related to bluetooth device connections and not having much luck Mar 31 05:22:42 are there any? or maybe it is not leaving bluez stack? Mar 31 05:22:51 I am using the --system flag, and running this on a desktop linux box (Ubuntu 10.04 beta) shows interesting things on bluetooth connect, but doesn't show anything on the N900 Mar 31 05:23:38 RST38h, that's an interesting thought. I'd assumed they'd use dbus for all the bluez related communications, but maybe they have their own message passing solution Mar 31 05:23:57 if any... Mar 31 05:27:28 well, I think they have to be using some kind of message passing to get the PIN... and to trigger the "foobar baz headphones connected" status ribbon Mar 31 05:37:25 ok, I'll open this up a bit further: Does anyone know a sane way to sense when a specific bluetooth device connects to the N900 without polling all the time? Mar 31 05:59:43 non-software slightly OT question for the masses; Where to get a replacement N900 stylus? Mar 31 06:00:46 I tried searching online retailers but I did not find a clear product to replace the stylus, looking for fellow N900 owners to chime in? Mar 31 06:00:54 lucent.. there is some topic at talk.maemo for that Mar 31 06:00:54 with some e-bay links Mar 31 06:01:10 oh, eBay? No official Nokia product, then hrmm Mar 31 06:01:52 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36647&highlight=stylus+ebay Mar 31 06:02:28 welll.. probably there is but it will cost 1/2 a new cell phone Mar 31 06:03:24 that must be a joke Mar 31 06:04:29 cpscotti: thanks for the link, regardless of my plight Mar 31 06:05:38 There are plenty of real cheap styluses in dealextreme.com but none are specifically for N900. Mar 31 06:06:17 if this is uncommon, I will try to contact Nokia for a replacement and then buy a secondary stylus to use Mar 31 06:06:30 lucent: ur wlcm Mar 31 06:07:42 http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900 Mar 31 06:10:57 lucent: the original stylus costs 6 Eur (plus any premium the repair shop adds) .. should be available/orderable at official nokia repair shops Mar 31 06:11:18 ah .. heh ok you found that list Mar 31 06:12:01 I'm in US location though, still searching how to buy it from here Mar 31 06:12:29 no nokia care point somewhere there? Mar 31 06:13:25 I don't think that there is, I am in Jackson, WY USA Mar 31 06:14:04 no idea Mar 31 06:14:16 I don't think Nokia cares in the US :) Mar 31 06:14:26 ^^ Mar 31 06:15:35 hehe there was a talk about maemo on the chemnizer linuxtage with nice sales figures Mar 31 06:16:05 johnx: when LTE is prevalent in the US Nokia will care a LOT Mar 31 06:16:27 will the US actually use the same LTE freq as the EU? Mar 31 06:16:30 LTE is ? Mar 31 06:16:41 Is the EU LTE frequency decided? Mar 31 06:16:42 Long Term Evolution == 4G Mar 31 06:16:57 wimax is also 4G, so it's not that simple :) Mar 31 06:16:58 I think the freq. is a red herring. Mar 31 06:17:27 MiXu-, LTE is the "4G" protocol people will actually use in numbers Mar 31 06:17:41 johnx: Yes, most likely so. Mar 31 06:17:45 MiXu-: ok ok, if you insist on full correctness LTE is a 4G protocol poised to be the most used Mar 31 06:17:46 at least in the EU Mar 31 06:18:03 WiMax is available in my city, and it is not competitive Mar 31 06:18:06 MiXu-: most likely? Dude LTE is in production :) Mar 31 06:18:27 Would you actually bet money that WiMax will win out in any nation over LTE once LTE is actually available? Mar 31 06:18:43 LTE is some kind of industry backed somethng... Mar 31 06:18:47 tybollt: I haven't seen a live LTE network yet, but there are wimax networks. Mar 31 06:18:49 wimax is what, qualcom and intel? :) Mar 31 06:19:03 MiXu-: LTE is live in Stockholm. Mar 31 06:19:07 Ah, alright. Mar 31 06:19:10 hey, guys, what I'm saying is I have access to WiMax and nobody wants it here where I live - it is too expensive and slow Mar 31 06:19:15 MiXu-: Granted there are only USB dongles, no phones - yet Mar 31 06:19:27 yes Mar 31 06:19:39 wimax is an intel tech - the other players don't care about it Mar 31 06:19:48 -> high prices Mar 31 06:19:53 well, n810w :P Mar 31 06:20:03 I don't care either. I'm just pointing out that wimax has more coverage at the moment than LTE. Mar 31 06:20:19 LTE will be made by nokia/siemens, ericsson etc etc so logic says it should be more competetive price wise Mar 31 06:20:25 http://ingoebel.de/vortrag_maemo_clt.pdf look at page 5 :) Mar 31 06:20:51 N.AM = North America Mar 31 06:21:32 cehteh: or "NA" as the rest of us would've said it :P Mar 31 06:21:59 well .. us market is odd compared to the rest Mar 31 06:22:08 Morning, all Mar 31 06:22:21 cehteh: you have not seen Brazil market have you ? Mar 31 06:22:50 ROW ... rest of world Mar 31 06:22:58 Same kind of hodge-podge of TDMA/CDMA now almost GSM/EDGE/HSDPA fully Mar 31 06:23:19 Brazil is rest of the world, it is not US man Mar 31 06:23:26 Jaffa: looks like you made it then, congrats buddy :) Mar 31 06:23:26 don't redefine. Mar 31 06:24:14 tybollt: thanks :) Mar 31 06:24:39 crashanddie_: random question, 3 people only? isn't there more in council? Mar 31 06:24:40 Jaffa: (no, I don't know you, I'm just a suck up now you're in charge ;) ;) Mar 31 06:24:40 :P Mar 31 06:25:05 Stskeeps: is it 3 or 5? Mar 31 06:25:07 Can't remember Mar 31 06:25:17 if it's 5 I'm an idiot :P Mar 31 06:25:28 must... not... comment... ;) Mar 31 06:25:34 is it 5? Mar 31 06:25:36 well you are Mar 31 06:25:41 hehehe Mar 31 06:25:48 last council was texrat, qole, gcobb, penguinbait, vdvsx Mar 31 06:25:56 ok, well let's put it this way: the other 2 are too close to call Mar 31 06:26:25 * lucent orders replacement stylus and learns Finnish in the process Mar 31 06:26:37 crashanddie_: you sound like an American news channel Mar 31 06:26:45 which, fox news? Mar 31 06:26:46 :P Mar 31 06:26:54 Stskeeps: "Faux News" Mar 31 06:27:01 now now stskeeps, that is just plain derogatory :P Mar 31 06:27:06 Are positions r & 5 our Florida in 2000? Mar 31 06:27:20 * tybollt calls being jeb bush Mar 31 06:27:31 lucent: that still contains the word "news" Mar 31 06:27:54 lucent, It's going to be awesome when you make make a simple translation mistake and end up with two palettes of frozen peas Mar 31 06:27:54 * njsf_ starts preparing to verify the vote,,, Mar 31 06:27:55 tybollt: Now the revolution's come, you can be last against the wall Mar 31 06:28:05 Jaffa: sorry Mar 31 06:28:05 Jaffa: :D Mar 31 06:28:25 well, my bad, I'm tired Mar 31 06:28:42 * tybollt wonders why jaffa is playing rage-against-the-machine_bullet-in-your-head.mp3... hmmm ;) Mar 31 06:28:46 * Jaffa hopes that javispedro gets in Mar 31 06:28:58 I've fixed my reply on tmo, by the same account (only 32% of votes tallied), the two other council members should be javispedro and attila77 Mar 31 06:29:29 again, this is only based on the first 2 sliding votes Mar 31 06:29:39 * Jaffa now starts eyeing (eying?) up the big prize Mar 31 06:30:09 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=589215#post589215 Mar 31 06:30:13 i am not happy with responsiveness now Mar 31 06:30:58 amazingly, around half of the voters have voted for 10 candidates (all 10 sliding votes) Mar 31 06:31:14 only 5% of voters have voted for one single candidate Mar 31 06:31:28 and only 2 have not voted at all (blank) Mar 31 06:32:07 dneary will probably crap all over me for release those numbers, btw Mar 31 06:32:21 crashanddie_: who were eligible to vote anyway? I assume it had something to do w/ karma? Mar 31 06:32:46 did you feel strongly for or against any particular candidates (not naming names) crashanddie_ ? Mar 31 06:33:06 I didn't vote Mar 31 06:33:07 tybollt: anyone with a maemo.olrg account older than 3 months and karma >= 10 Mar 31 06:33:18 Jaffa: ack... Mar 31 06:33:27 then I wasn't eligible, good shitz ;) Mar 31 06:33:30 pupnik: and yeah, obviously I feel strongly for some or against some... Mar 31 06:33:39 (means I'm no slacker ;) Mar 31 06:34:48 i had trouble deciding, since i dont know how heavily i want to weigh specific positive attributes for the position Mar 31 06:36:59 note: ignore my earlier rambling about problems with dbus/bluez on the N900. I was ssh'ed into the wrong Maemo device at the time ... Mar 31 06:37:01 * johnx facepalms Mar 31 06:37:15 that's, awesome. Mar 31 06:37:16 excellent Mar 31 06:37:38 how do i quantitatively evaluate "enthusiasm", "forum leadership", "technical advocacy".. Mar 31 06:38:07 though, I'd like to know how many maemo users were eligible for votes Mar 31 06:38:10 do that all the time.. change ulimit and then still get the same problems... only to realize I was sshed into a remote box where I changed ulimits and not on my local machine ;) Mar 31 06:38:17 I do that* Mar 31 06:38:25 pupnik, 5, 12389712/1232, and 1.3x10^14 Mar 31 06:38:26 only 400 votes, while the community has nearly doubled... Mar 31 06:38:46 community doubled but not as many has gotten into the community processes Mar 31 06:39:03 not bad johnx :) Mar 31 06:39:10 and while it has doubled we've mostly had a lame duck council Mar 31 06:39:28 mmmmm...duck Mar 31 06:39:37 mmmh duck *drool* Mar 31 06:40:14 * njsf_ thinks the duck season is still a long time away Mar 31 06:40:19 duck drool? gross Mar 31 06:40:45 there is a chinese soup made from bird saliva Mar 31 06:42:34 I bet that tastes good Mar 31 06:45:33 grr, I have to launch Qt app from commandline to access the uSD media Mar 31 06:45:42 results generated by OpenSTV:Winners are Randall Arnold (texrat), Andrew Flegg (Jaffa), Attila Csipa (Attila77/achipa), Javier S. Pedro (JaviSPedro), and Ryan Abel (GeneralAntilles). Mar 31 06:45:48 Qt app file browse won't go to the uSD media Mar 31 06:45:50 lucent: usd? Mar 31 06:46:02 crashanddie_: at least it seems like we'll have a sane council Mar 31 06:46:02 tybollt: "microSD" Mar 31 06:46:11 heh Mar 31 06:46:16 sorry my use of the lowercase U for 'mu' Mar 31 06:46:36 Stskeeps: don't talk too soon, there's still Texrat, GA and Jaffa on there Mar 31 06:47:03 so GA made it? Mar 31 06:47:06 Good shitz Mar 31 06:47:09 yup Mar 31 06:47:12 crashanddie_: i believe the most constructive meetings are the ones where people disagree slightly Mar 31 06:47:15 :P Mar 31 06:47:33 as long as they are sane enough to be able to agree to disagree, and move on Mar 31 06:47:58 yeah Mar 31 06:47:59 how many times have we seen important matters getting dragged along for years because of petty fights between politicians Mar 31 06:48:19 and how many times have we seen utterly unimportant matters getting way too much attention for the same reason Mar 31 06:48:31 crashanddie_: or like the missus who promptly sent the laptop flying across the room last night when I told her she was wrong... now wouldn't that kind of behaviour be good for council meetings? :) Mar 31 06:48:32 crashanddie, how many times have we seen right win out through persistence? Mar 31 06:48:58 crashanddie_: thanks for running them through OpenSTV Mar 31 06:49:15 tybollt: better than a missus pouring salt water in your electronics Mar 31 06:49:41 hehe ouch you had that? :S Mar 31 06:50:11 no, story from ex-gf of what her mother did to one of the mother's ex bfs after he cheated on her.. Mar 31 06:50:14 :P Mar 31 06:50:24 ugh Mar 31 06:51:30 heh. I actually "resurrected" a co-workers macbook this last weekend. They were lucky that it had actually been just plain tap water that had gotten spilled on it Mar 31 06:51:58 i saw someone who had poured red wine on their macbook Mar 31 06:52:08 it got sucked into the screen from one of the corners Mar 31 06:52:14 okay I bought three replacement N900 stylus for $23 USD, if anyone wants to buy one for $8 in the US then I can probably mail it in a plain envelope ;) Mar 31 06:52:29 Stskeeps, bummer Mar 31 06:52:45 I saw rum and coke go through a dell ... and it was running the next morning with no intervention Mar 31 06:53:13 i think the drains in keyboard should be standard inventory :P Mar 31 06:53:45 it must cost quite a bit to design that in Mar 31 06:53:57 Lenovo dropped them off of the lower-end thinkpads Mar 31 06:54:21 I once dropped my Siemens mobile (the small silvery one) ina mug of beer - fucker worked after being entirly submerged for ~five minutes, granted the screen was entirely bust Mar 31 06:56:17 * johnx is looking forward to a generation of gadgets that is *much* more water resistant than what we have right now Mar 31 07:00:12 johnx & Stskeeps: I spilt beer on my macbook within the first week of having it Mar 31 07:00:31 I'm suspecting that Jobs' liver didn't just have cancer, he's been drinking and teaching his hardware how to do it too! Mar 31 07:01:20 heh. well, having taken apart a white macbook now I can tell you they don't have a terribly good provision for dealing with liquids poured through the kayboard (AFAICT) Mar 31 07:01:48 didn't notice any issues with it Mar 31 07:02:03 I do it on a weekly basis Mar 31 07:02:14 stops the shaking even though is has some hickups sometimes Mar 31 07:02:19 Plus it goes to sleep a lot faster Mar 31 07:02:28 >_> Mar 31 07:02:37 Jaffa, congrats :) Mar 31 07:03:22 GAN900, congrats :) Mar 31 07:06:50 VDVsx: so, what do you think of the new council? Mar 31 07:06:58 VDVsx: who would you like to see as the council chair? Mar 31 07:07:32 hmm...I wonder if this is some bug with batterygraph or if it's supposed to be like this...I've been recharging for about 1.5 hours now and the percentage/charge in the graph is a horizontal line, no progress is being made according to it Mar 31 07:07:51 if I do lshal|grep battery it also shows 11% Mar 31 07:08:15 the battery indicator is rolling so I would expect it to charge Mar 31 07:08:25 crashanddie_, I like it :D sorry for the rest of the candidates, but my favorite 'set' was chosen ;) Mar 31 07:08:52 It's amazing to see how little the transferable vote changes in the end Mar 31 07:09:09 and now, suddenly that I refreshed the graph again a few times, it immediately jumped to 57% Mar 31 07:09:16 now, why is that... Mar 31 07:09:28 joga, have you checked into the thread? I seem to remember something about that being mentioned by the developer Mar 31 07:09:36 * man_in_ltop waves Mar 31 07:09:38 johnx: no, I haven't checked yet Mar 31 07:09:46 crashanddie_: seriously - you will make pie charts - right? :) Mar 31 07:09:47 anyone know how to use gtk.FileChooserButton in pygtk? :) Mar 31 07:09:49 I mean, I computed it through an excel spreadsheet, I ran it as a single non-transferable vote, and as a full meek/scottish STV, and all the results were exactly the same Mar 31 07:09:59 tybollt: the charts are on tmo :P Mar 31 07:10:07 meh :$ Mar 31 07:10:13 I think the batterygraph updates from one source (the most accurate one) and the UI uses multiple sources to "guess" at the battery percentage Mar 31 07:10:36 (by the UI I mean Nokia's stuff) Mar 31 07:10:37 well Mar 31 07:10:46 if you get sudden "jumps" when charging a battery Mar 31 07:11:05 tybollt: no, but it is an important point. It's been 3 elections where there was *no* difference between full SNTV, or any of the STVs (except for cambridge stv, but that always changes everything, and requires two voting sessions) Mar 31 07:11:15 and it is consistent throughout a series of charges -> you may have a dead cell in your battery Mar 31 07:11:15 so why do we bother with the STV if it doesn't change anything? Mar 31 07:12:51 tybollt: I'm not sure if it's because a couple of days ago I used a nokia charger (with the small tip) with the adapter bundled with n900, and it didn't seem to supply enough power to the device because it shut down while recharging (and playing music). couldn't get it to boot for a while until I let it recharge for half an hour or so, I was worried it somehow damaged the battery but not sure if that's very probable Mar 31 07:13:18 joga: no Mar 31 07:13:24 joga: don't worry about it Mar 31 07:13:44 I let it charge over the night with that same charger, and noted that the graph showed it recharging extremely slowly, like just 30% or so in the course of 7 hours Mar 31 07:13:46 joga: however yes that can happen, that the battery drains although it is being charged Mar 31 07:14:02 joga: the charger is a charger only - not a PSU Mar 31 07:14:03 joga: also, please note that you need to "treat your battery well" Mar 31 07:14:23 joga: I have noticed that if you let your battery drain, the next charge will be "less powerful" Mar 31 07:14:27 I try not to treat it badly ;) Mar 31 07:14:41 that was the first time ever that it has drained so completely Mar 31 07:14:47 joga: however, if you charge it regularly before it drains completely, you get better milleage (at least I do) Mar 31 07:15:19 If I allow it to drain, I'll be lucky to have a day's use out of it. If I recharge it before it drains completely for 3 or 4 days, I'll get 2 days of use out of the battery Mar 31 07:15:33 I'll make sure to have joga indicted on grounds of battery cruelty Mar 31 07:15:39 this is outrageous ;-) Mar 31 07:15:44 what I'm just curious about is that after I updated batterygraph it seems to be reporting incorrect or imprecise values (or something's wrong with updating it) Mar 31 07:15:48 ~burn joga Mar 31 07:15:49 * infobot pours gasoline all over joga, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze Mar 31 07:15:56 but I guess that's not a big deal if it works Mar 31 07:16:01 ;( Mar 31 07:16:19 ~clamor No to battery abuse Mar 31 07:16:30 OY! Mar 31 07:16:33 ~answer me Mar 31 07:16:45 ~dead? Mar 31 07:16:46 yes :( Mar 31 07:16:52 ~sup biatch Mar 31 07:16:53 ~lart crashanddie Mar 31 07:16:54 * infobot --purges crashanddie Mar 31 07:17:06 ~rape johnx Mar 31 07:17:07 * infobot takes johnx behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams Mar 31 07:17:10 :D Mar 31 07:17:18 joga, so it used to show a 'normal' graph while charging? Mar 31 07:17:26 ~spam johnx Mar 31 07:17:27 * infobot subscribes johnx to every possible mailing list he can find on the 'net AND arranges for johnx to get at least 50 snail mail spams a day Mar 31 07:17:50 i was doin an at-get upgrade last night, which recomened an apt-get -f install, as it was going the status led went white (i though - uhu, reboot iminent, think its the watchdog that does it) and sure enough it rebooted a few seconds later, now the thing reboots consaly just as it start to load the desktop. can this be resolved without reflashing? is there a way to access bootloader menu? (i'm quite experienced with linux so think i have a chnance if i can Mar 31 07:17:51 just get to some cmd prompt) Mar 31 07:18:02 ~op Mar 31 07:18:03 hmm... op is a wallet Mar 31 07:18:06 ;) Mar 31 07:18:22 johnx: I mean, it used to show a 'precise' graph, ie. such that is constantly updating with proper values while charging (a smooth slope upwards), now I seem to get like "11%...*sudden jump*.....57%.......*sudden jump?*.....x %" Mar 31 07:18:25 dan2003: do NOT use apt-get upgrade Mar 31 07:18:47 joga: the sensor in the battery isn't meant to be extremely accurate Mar 31 07:18:53 johnx: but I've only got those when I've manually pressed refresh in the graph, not sure if I would get them otherwise Mar 31 07:18:59 joga: don't forget, it's a phone, not a laptop battery Mar 31 07:19:04 crashanddie_: point is, it *was* accurate, now it's useless Mar 31 07:19:09 ah Mar 31 07:19:13 my bad, i'll stfu Mar 31 07:19:47 joga, I still think the best info you'll get will come out of that thread. As I recall, people had very similar questions, and the author explained how he gathered info from the battery Mar 31 07:20:02 crashanddie_: oops, one of the fourms on talk.maemo.org sugests it. was try to resolve a strnage issue where the device reported as beeing on pr1.1.1 but the update manage said it was avaible to be installed, but only via PC Mar 31 07:20:03 dan2003, off the top of my head, I don't think there's a good way to do what you want Mar 31 07:20:06 johnx: fair enough, I guess I'll read it when I have time Mar 31 07:20:36 * RST38h back Mar 31 07:21:58 dan2003: if you're doing it for a specific reason, and it was recommended by a good member on TMO, you should be fine. Sadly sometimes the rootfs can get completely full, which causes stuff to crash, and then when it attempts to boot it crashes again and again Mar 31 07:21:59 dan2003, wait, are you saying you already have bootmenu installed? Mar 31 07:22:27 dan2003: unless you have bootmenu installed, you won't be able to access it, as johnx just pointed out while I was writing it Mar 31 07:24:37 johnx: aha, no i have not previosuly installed bootmenu, i was hoping for some key press at boot tat would reveal one or drop me to a rescu shell Mar 31 07:24:55 * noobmonk3y waves Mar 31 07:24:57 nope Mar 31 07:25:01 the rootfs had around 50meg free last time i checked, (quite recently) Mar 31 07:25:07 crashanddie_: actually I had more problems and more useless laptop batts then had I ever phone ones... Mar 31 07:25:24 though I keep wondering if there's anything that prevents a flashable bootmenu-ized initfs from being made except for copyright concerns Mar 31 07:25:24 did i say the contrary? Mar 31 07:25:46 crashanddie_: no... I'm just saying :) Mar 31 07:26:07 my rootfs is full .. grr Mar 31 07:26:58 meh meh Mar 31 07:28:19 i guess thats not fixed in 1.2 .. putting /usr/share on emmc or so Mar 31 07:28:54 me does just that now Mar 31 07:29:19 errr...just make sure you don't put anything there that's needed before it's mounted ... Mar 31 07:30:16 yeah Mar 31 07:30:28 mhm .. but how? Mar 31 07:30:37 * johnx shrugs Mar 31 07:30:48 interesting how rthe alarm clock still works and has a ui - i guess thats a seperarte very small fw /(initramfs) ui and sounds all the same as when main ui is running Mar 31 07:31:14 dan2003: as it in waking up the device? Mar 31 07:31:19 that's actually full X :P Mar 31 07:31:24 yes, from fully poered off Mar 31 07:31:35 dan2003, can you get the N900 to be a USB client while in that mode? Mar 31 07:31:35 but it wont bootnormally, just keeps rebooting Mar 31 07:31:45 i will check Mar 31 07:32:03 might have to wait till 7:30 tomorrow morning tho Mar 31 07:32:07 it boots :) Mar 31 07:32:20 cehteh, lucky lucky Mar 31 07:32:28 i meant for alarm Mar 31 07:32:36 for share i am still rsyncing Mar 31 07:32:47 ah done Mar 31 07:33:34 cehteh, taking bets on it booting? :) Mar 31 07:33:56 from powered off, pluggin usb make the nokia screen comeup, and the MyDocs partition appear as normal, no acess to rootfs by looks of it Mar 31 07:34:05 rather, how do make it bulltet proof Mar 31 07:34:42 adding a small boot script which would restore it when the first boot fails Mar 31 07:34:43 dan2003, I'm trying to think of some way you could get the device to react to a file copied onto that partition Mar 31 07:35:05 cehteh, good thought. if I were you, I'd install bootmenu :) Mar 31 07:35:20 what does that do? Mar 31 07:35:22 just someway to dsiable the watchdog would resolve the issue Mar 31 07:35:52 * johnx wonders if that can still be disable by the flasher Mar 31 07:36:01 the white light that comes up saying a reboot is cocuringmust be watchdog realtes - it comes on , but i can see the desktop continueung to load as for a short while after the white light is on Mar 31 07:36:12 johnx: what does bootmenu offer? Mar 31 07:36:41