**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 01 02:59:57 2010
Apr 01 03:00:51 <DocScrutinizer> wtf - we know he date
Apr 01 03:00:55 <cehteh> anyone with too much time may prepare a meego chroot image to put on the n900
Apr 01 03:01:11 <cehteh> that might be useful
Apr 01 03:01:40 <johnx> you mean like a .tar.gz you can unpack like the one here: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/n900/images/ ?
Apr 01 03:02:47 <cehteh> yes seen that but not investigated .. and i meant with bit script glue and infrastructure to pull it up under maemo5, i dont have a spare device which i can burn
Apr 01 03:03:29 <cehteh> as i understand this images are exclusive to be installed on the device or?
Apr 01 03:03:39 <anotnac> the leak source points to nokia but they moved it from site it seems
Apr 01 03:03:56 <cehteh> look at todays date :P
Apr 01 03:04:11 <anotnac> lol
Apr 01 03:04:26 <johnx> cehteh, I'd bet it should take very little work to be able to chroot into the image provided and run whatever is included without too much pain
Apr 01 03:05:01 <cehteh> prolly not too much, someone just can do that
Apr 01 03:05:30 <anotnac> dam thats 3x already i've fell for april fools jokes already
Apr 01 03:05:30 <johnx> and I'd be doing exactly that right now except I think my copy of the .tar.gz is corrupt
Apr 01 03:08:12 * DocScrutinizer does an 'ifdown eth0 && sleep 18h 55m && echo "aapril 1st over" && ifup eth0'
Apr 01 03:10:01 <johnx> make sure you do it at a local console or screen. Made that mistake enough times O_o;
Apr 01 03:10:34 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Apr 01 03:12:07 <johnx> In fact, at(1) might just be safer
Apr 01 03:12:32 <luke-jr_> SWEET
Apr 01 03:12:41 <luke-jr_> anyone poked the BME code yet?
Apr 01 03:12:54 <johnx> in what sense?
Apr 01 03:13:03 <luke-jr_> shrug
Apr 01 03:13:09 <luke-jr_> change low battery behaviour or something
Apr 01 03:13:21 <johnx> errr, which BME code?
Apr 01 03:13:25 <luke-jr_> I'll probably mess w/ it tomorrow
Apr 01 03:13:29 <luke-jr_> the one Nokia just released?
Apr 01 03:13:40 * luke-jr_ ponders if it's N8x0 or just N900
Apr 01 03:13:40 <johnx> did they? link?
Apr 01 03:14:03 <ShadowJK> Did they release bme code?
Apr 01 03:14:08 <luke-jr_> yeah, hold on
Apr 01 03:14:14 * johnx smells an april fools joke ...
Apr 01 03:14:26 <rm_you> lol johnx
Apr 01 03:14:36 <johnx> hey rm_you
Apr 01 03:14:50 <luke-jr_> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/testing/bme/
Apr 01 03:15:20 <johnx> good try
Apr 01 03:15:40 <anotnac> got me again 4x now tonight
Apr 01 03:15:41 <luke-jr_> ?
Apr 01 03:16:15 <ShadowJK> that gives me 404
Apr 01 03:16:18 <luke-jr_> oh crap
Apr 01 03:16:20 <anotnac> i need to grow some balls and stop being so nieve
Apr 01 03:16:21 <luke-jr_> they took it down? :(
Apr 01 03:16:25 <johnx> DocScrutinizer, yeah, think I might join you in that sentiment...
Apr 01 03:16:32 * luke-jr_ wonders if he'd get in trouble for uploading it somewhere
Apr 01 03:16:33 <johnx> luke-jr_, prove you're even the real luke-jr
Apr 01 03:16:37 <luke-jr_> ...
Apr 01 03:16:51 <johnx> failed the test :P
Apr 01 03:17:01 <luke-jr_> it's March 31 here n00b
Apr 01 03:17:09 <Ken-Young> What did that version of the BME code do?
Apr 01 03:17:16 <luke-jr_> Ken-Young: not sure yet
Apr 01 03:17:33 <luke-jr_> don't see any clear identification which model it's for
Apr 01 03:17:37 * ShadowJK would probably not see any other sensible battery low behaviour to change it to
Apr 01 03:17:39 <johnx> luke-jr_, well then you're early and not impersonating luke-jr very well
Apr 01 03:17:57 <luke-jr_> johnx: f u
Apr 01 03:18:04 <johnx> f u 2
Apr 01 03:18:08 <luke-jr_> no u
Apr 01 03:18:52 <luke-jr_> oh well, too tired to get anywhere with this tonight
Apr 01 03:18:59 <luke-jr_> ttyl
Apr 01 03:19:47 <ShadowJK> Anyway, we don't really /need/ bme on n900 as the docs for the key chips involved are available free of charge to anyone
Apr 01 03:56:04 <johnx> anyways, catch you guys again after 4/1
Apr 01 04:36:05 <mza-_> www.fscker.com/meego-preview-netbook-core-20100330-001.usbimg
Apr 01 04:36:12 <mza-_> should be a bit faster
Apr 01 04:38:59 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: screen black :-(((
Apr 01 04:39:30 <DocScrutinizer> hope it's the FPC connector, a nasty little bastard
Apr 01 04:39:37 <ShadowJK> :(
Apr 01 04:39:50 <lindqvust> hey guys! anyone know here how to refresh the current theme via xterm? I changed themes, but some stuff like the text color from the old theme remains.
Apr 01 04:40:34 <DocScrutinizer> everything else seems to work. well first shot. ts-clicks, vib, audio, indicator LED etc etc
Apr 01 04:40:48 <DocScrutinizer> n8
Apr 01 04:40:57 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, interesting charge behaviour, gas gauge and gazoo sees total current in/out of battery,
Apr 01 04:41:15 <DocScrutinizer> wake whe apr.1 is over - no sense for that
Apr 01 04:41:16 <ShadowJK> but charger sees curren coming from itself only
Apr 01 04:41:57 * Ikarus double packages some none GUI stuff for Meego
Apr 01 04:41:58 <ShadowJK> yet it seems to regulate pretty damn close to 500mA into battery, comepnsating for drain from system
Apr 01 04:42:32 <ShadowJK> I'm confused too why it's only charging at 500mA :)
Apr 01 04:42:33 <DocScrutinizer> err, uhuh
Apr 01 04:42:58 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, to pissed and tired right now
Apr 01 04:43:07 <DocScrutinizer> reassembled >1h
Apr 01 04:43:13 <ShadowJK> ouch
Apr 01 04:43:19 <DocScrutinizer> cya l8r
Apr 01 04:43:31 <Ikarus> hmz
Apr 01 04:43:35 <Ikarus> and gah, I forgot
Apr 01 04:43:43 <Ikarus> my laptop doesn't have the latest Maemo SDK
Apr 01 04:43:51 <Ikarus> and the pipe here is just SLOW
Apr 01 04:44:05 <Ikarus> ah well, will have to wait until the evening
Apr 01 04:51:28 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: well, to put that straight, it was >>1h and 3/4 of the time was for using a loupe and writing down component names printed in 0.2PT (5 lines a mm)
Apr 01 04:52:06 <ShadowJK> epic
Apr 01 04:53:40 <cehteh> microscope-cam ftw :)
Apr 01 05:29:22 <RST38h> moo wazd
Apr 01 05:46:06 * ShadowJK rolls eyes at the gas gauge chip...
Apr 01 05:50:59 <ShadowJK> this thing is no more accurate than whatever bme is currently using. it's just "broken" in different ways
Apr 01 05:56:37 <cehteh> oh its perfect finding out that the battery is empty :P
Apr 01 05:57:53 <ShadowJK> lol
Apr 01 06:09:53 <crashanddie> I think once I'm settled down, I'll get a pet rat
Apr 01 06:10:28 <crashanddie> I'll give it anthrax, the plague, aids, h1n1, everything
Apr 01 06:10:52 <crashanddie> that way I'll be able to go about and yell: "FEAR MY RAT, MHUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
Apr 01 06:11:00 <crashanddie> And truly be godlike.
Apr 01 06:58:19 <TheOne> hi
Apr 01 06:58:38 <TheOne> does anyone use the n900 with a cisco vpn?
Apr 01 06:59:31 <TheOne> i want to use my n900 with my uni network - they use cisco vpn, for my laptop i can use cisco anyconnect client (linux)
Apr 01 07:00:13 <Lynoure> TheOne: vpnc works decently as well, I vaguely remember seeing that for maemo, but not sure
Apr 01 07:00:17 <cehteh> i use openvpn but seen that there are apps for cisco vpn in some repo
Apr 01 07:00:27 <cehteh> yes vpnc
Apr 01 07:00:36 <TheOne> Lynoure: and it works for maemo5?
Apr 01 07:00:52 <cehteh> TheOne: install it and find out
Apr 01 07:00:54 <Lynoure> TheOne: like I said "vaguely remember seeing that, not sure"
Apr 01 07:01:01 <TheOne> i found that only for os2008
Apr 01 07:01:39 <Lynoure> At worst it won't work. It's not like it will fry your device.
Apr 01 07:01:40 <cehteh>      0.5.9-1m5 0
Apr 01 07:01:40 <cehteh>         500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages
Apr 01 07:04:35 <einval> TheOne: if the uni uses cisco anyconnect exclusevly (not the old cisco ipsec vpn client), vpnc will not work
Apr 01 07:05:07 <TheOne> they recommend the new anyconnect, but the old client works too
Apr 01 07:05:41 <einval> k
Apr 01 07:06:28 <TheOne> i found this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=375994
Apr 01 07:08:36 <TheOne> i recognize the warning with extra-devel repo, but i will give it a try
Apr 01 07:09:11 <einval> btw, i recently joined here - got my n900 on Saturday and i love it
Apr 01 07:09:25 <einval> after having a n97 for 2 days
Apr 01 07:10:32 <rmrfchik> o_O just got mail from nokia (translating from russian): "you have been chosen as beta tester for new N900 firmware, Maemo5."
Apr 01 07:10:38 <Stskeeps> heh
Apr 01 07:10:43 <rmrfchik> seems like it next after pr1.2
Apr 01 07:12:11 <RST38h> <yawn>
Apr 01 07:12:22 <RST38h> g'moorning tekojo, Stskees
Apr 01 07:12:34 <tekojo> morning RST38h!
Apr 01 07:14:18 <RST38h> rmrfchik: April 1st? =)
Apr 01 07:15:19 <mece> I fuckin hate this day.
Apr 01 07:15:37 <mece> It's not like people are to be trusted on other days, but this one is just ridiculous
Apr 01 07:16:38 <RST38h> mece: What? Were offered PR1.2 firmware at the tmo? =)
Apr 01 07:16:50 <mece> no. just in general.
Apr 01 07:17:13 <mece> well yeah, but I assumed it was a joke.
Apr 01 07:17:47 <RST38h> The real joke would be to actually release it on April 1st...
Apr 01 07:18:08 <cehteh> they can still do!
Apr 01 07:18:16 <cehteh> just after the joke
Apr 01 07:18:34 <mece> yeah
Apr 01 07:18:37 <mece> hehehe
Apr 01 07:32:54 <rmrfchik> RST38h: yeah, kind of ;)
Apr 01 07:43:53 <microlith> xkcd is pure win today
Apr 01 07:45:21 <dregin> I enjoyed the sysadmin one
Apr 01 07:45:24 <sejo> how do I import a certificate (self signed) onto the n900
Apr 01 07:46:47 <dregin> http://www.andreasolsson.se/wp-content/uploads/devotion_to_duty.png
Apr 01 07:48:03 <mece> whoa... did that cli thing come today?
Apr 01 07:48:57 <dregin> ?
Apr 01 07:49:13 <mece> http://xkcd.org/
Apr 01 07:49:17 <mece> haven't seen it before.
Apr 01 07:49:20 <mece> it's quite nice.
Apr 01 07:49:21 <twouters> yes
Apr 01 07:56:32 <MiXu-> Is there a built in data counter for how much PSD I've used?
Apr 01 07:56:35 <MiXu-> in N900
Apr 01 07:59:42 <nidO> http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/pad-dock/index.html?utm_campaign=01apr10east&utm_source=01apr10east&utm_medium=email&utm_source=bv3months&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bv3months
Apr 01 08:00:40 <dregin> mece: ah yeah, looks cool. Never saw it before this, but I'm not a regular to the site.
Apr 01 08:00:46 <Stskeeps> MiXu-: there's a personal dataplan monitor
Apr 01 08:01:12 <nidO> that change to xkcd has come within the past day or two yeah
Apr 01 08:03:14 <Kurppa_> MiXu-: and there will be integrated counter in PR1.2.
Apr 01 08:03:26 <cos^> if any maemo.org webmaster is here, clicking on "Promote package" results on empty page with just header and "maemo.org > packages"
Apr 01 08:04:41 <nidO> that'll be X-Fade you need
Apr 01 08:06:03 <tybollt> YES
Apr 01 08:06:08 <tybollt> finally PR1.2
Apr 01 08:06:12 <tybollt> downloading now
Apr 01 08:06:19 <tybollt> \o/
Apr 01 08:06:24 * jaska looks at the date
Apr 01 08:06:37 <nidO> gee that joke hasnt been cracked 15 times already :<
Apr 01 08:06:40 <Unksi> :D
Apr 01 08:06:53 <tybollt> nidO: =)
Apr 01 08:07:04 <sulx> 1.2 is old news...downloading 2.0 now
Apr 01 08:07:19 <cehteh> nah meego1.0 :)
Apr 01 08:07:25 <Kurppa_> 1.2 won't be released for months.
Apr 01 08:07:25 <tybollt> mongoo
Apr 01 08:08:27 <Kurppa_> MeeGo is actually already available for N900 from http://meego.com/downloads, but there is no UI yet :-)
Apr 01 08:08:32 <Kurppa_> Mongo crush!
Apr 01 08:08:39 <Jaffa> Pfft. I like http://repo.meego.com/14796519ed32bf81d89f16211a1ca1b895eec7cb/armel/harmattan/ <-- the image in there is much more user friendly than the trunk one.
Apr 01 08:09:01 <Jaffa> But Nokia didn't want to publish the URL
Apr 01 08:10:53 <mece> hmm youtube april fools is sorta...lame.
Apr 01 08:12:57 <nidO> the sad thing is, the april fools joke is only the text mode, the horrific new site design is actually real
Apr 01 08:13:44 <Jaffa> The text mode's quite cool.
Apr 01 08:19:14 <mece> nidO, yeah, I was hoping the design was the joke...
Apr 01 08:28:23 <Shapeshifter> has someone got any experience if omweather in its largest incarnation - without automatic updating - will drain any battery?
Apr 01 08:28:32 <Shapeshifter> I mean, it shouldn't do _anything_ when not updating.
Apr 01 08:29:25 <cehteh> Shapeshifter: not much, it may redraw the widget on the desktop but otherwise i have no problems with it, even with 4hourly updates on
Apr 01 08:29:26 <ccooke> morning, all
Apr 01 08:29:41 <Shapeshifter> cehteh: cool, thanks
Apr 01 08:29:44 <cehteh> well it has some other bugs, but you can life with them
Apr 01 08:30:10 <Shapeshifter> cehteh: I'm not really someone who cares about the weather but I have a free desktop and it looks nice ;)
Apr 01 08:30:20 <cehteh> i didnt found out how to reliably delete stations, every time i try i get a empty entry more :)
Apr 01 08:31:18 <Shapeshifter> cehteh: mh. there's no way of just updating the widget without going into its menu?
Apr 01 08:31:21 <cehteh> well and its preferences is dead slow
Apr 01 08:31:30 <cehteh> dunno ..
Apr 01 08:31:52 <Shapeshifter> it also slows down scrolling desktops
Apr 01 08:32:31 <cehteh> i think there are some serious bad programming practices involved ..
Apr 01 08:32:52 <cehteh> ah seems that deleting stations works finally i didnt tried since last update
Apr 01 08:33:09 <cehteh> mhm or not
Apr 01 08:33:12 <Shapeshifter> ;)
Apr 01 08:33:53 <cehteh> uhm yes removed it from desktop and scrolling becomes way faster
Apr 01 08:33:58 <Shapeshifter> meh. while I'm not really bothered, I would love to have smoother animations on the n900. and some people come with this overy shitty argument that the iphone "sacrifices multitasking for better visual performance"
Apr 01 08:34:17 <cehteh> how about this other weather widget?
Apr 01 08:34:39 <Shapeshifter> but it's the same with mac os vs. linux scrolling in any app, really. xorg just somehow fails.
Apr 01 08:34:49 <cehteh> well its just programmign practice .. i dont see any reason why scrolling should be slower
Apr 01 08:35:06 <cehteh> nah its not xorg .. its bad libs
Apr 01 08:35:45 <Treibholz> look at google-chrome, it scrolls on my netbook so fscking fast and smooth...
Apr 01 08:36:13 <cehteh> or ask raster ...
Apr 01 08:36:31 <cehteh> moin Treibholz btw
Apr 01 08:36:32 <Treibholz> and no: it's not webkit, arora and uzbl are as slow as firefox.
Apr 01 08:36:42 <Treibholz> cehteh: hi! :-)
Apr 01 08:37:47 <Treibholz> has anyone tried changing ~/MyDocs to a usefull filesystem?
Apr 01 08:38:06 <cehteh> yes
Apr 01 08:38:11 <cehteh> all ext3 here
Apr 01 08:38:38 <flux> cehteh, has it caused any collateral damage? camera and the rest works?
Apr 01 08:38:39 <cehteh> tried ext4 with special kernel was twice as fast, but then i got a bad kernel update :P
Apr 01 08:38:53 <cehteh> camera problem is solve, permission problem
Apr 01 08:39:03 <Shapeshifter> Treibholz: huh. what WM are you using?
Apr 01 08:39:09 <Treibholz> I'm not sure yet if I really want that for data exchange reasons.
Apr 01 08:39:16 <cehteh> the mount scripts are crap had to do stuff manually and disable nokiaisms
Apr 01 08:39:26 <Treibholz> Shapeshifter: ion3.
Apr 01 08:39:32 <Shapeshifter> D:
Apr 01 08:39:47 <Treibholz> Shapeshifter: not on Maemo :-)
Apr 01 08:40:00 <Shapeshifter> sure.
Apr 01 08:40:15 <Treibholz> .oO( not yet... )
Apr 01 08:40:57 <cehteh> Treibholz: getting usb PAN networking work (i dont have that really) and then run a samba if you need windows connectivity might be the better way
Apr 01 08:41:30 <cehteh> as well i look forward for pr1.2 and then do some more surgery and part ways from nokia
Apr 01 08:41:41 <cehteh> custom kernel, ext4 and so on
Apr 01 08:41:41 <Treibholz> cehteh: or using a microSD as some kind of buffer.
Apr 01 08:41:59 <cehteh> i have ext3 on both uSD and buildin emmc
Apr 01 08:42:47 <cehteh> now when you remove the backcover it unmounts the uSD but cant remount it :P .. well still didnt dropped the daemon which watches the back cover
Apr 01 08:43:07 <Shapeshifter> cehteh: nah I think on mac os and the iphone, apple does some magic to reduce this kind of "flashing text" effect when you scroll. basically, even with very high framerates you get sort of a flashing phenomenon when scrolling text. and this is completely absent on a mac.
Apr 01 08:43:24 <Shapeshifter> not sure where this stuff would need to happen.
Apr 01 08:43:30 <cehteh> http://public.pipapo.org/    also sometimes mouning my server directly to the DCIM folder :P
Apr 01 08:44:07 <cehteh> Shapeshifter: i bet it is absent in enlightenment too :)
Apr 01 08:44:23 <cehteh> didnt tried it yet
Apr 01 08:44:33 <Shapeshifter> I'm guessing the main reason is that when they scroll, text is always scrolled only one pixel per frame
Apr 01 08:45:37 <cehteh> yes ... thats all about good programming and knowledge
Apr 01 08:45:48 <cehteh> scroll at right rates
Apr 01 08:46:09 <cehteh> maybe add motion-blur like effects (if your hardware can do that)
Apr 01 08:46:13 <Shapeshifter> but does every app need to handle this themselves? or widget toolkit respectively?
Apr 01 08:46:41 <cehteh> well kinetic scrolling must be dynamic of course
Apr 01 08:46:55 <cehteh> but you have to properly sync and not jitter
Apr 01 08:47:15 <Shapeshifter> well jitter/tearing are also problems on maemo and linux in general
Apr 01 08:47:22 <cehteh> might need some toolkit support, but i think X shouldnt be a roadblock
Apr 01 08:47:36 <cehteh> most importantly its the programmers mindset :)
Apr 01 08:47:50 <Shapeshifter> which it seems are also completely absent on a mac.
Apr 01 08:48:04 <Shapeshifter> well mac's mostly suck and I'm not sure how good the programmers are.
Apr 01 08:48:16 <cehteh> n900/clutter isnt very good at this agreed
Apr 01 08:48:50 <Shapeshifter> but they're *smooth* and i doubt it has anything to do with all the "we sacrifice smoothness for more features/multitasking" nonsense people are spouting as justification
Apr 01 08:48:50 <Treibholz> My wife just ordered a Mac, and because she wants 4GB RAM, it has to be sent to china first...
Apr 01 08:50:46 <cehteh> note that on mac the hardware capabilities are well defined
Apr 01 08:50:55 <Shapeshifter> Treibholz: are you using some smooth scrolling option in chrome? because here on my desktop, using chromium, scrolling isn't smooth at all.
Apr 01 08:51:06 <Treibholz> Shapeshifter: no.
Apr 01 08:51:07 <Shapeshifter> cehteh: but they aren't very strong
Apr 01 08:51:11 <cehteh> and the graphics and such effect (smooth scrolling) is hardware accelerated
Apr 01 08:51:44 <cehteh> its not about they need to be very good, just when you 'know' what you have you can engage the problem in another way as on generic hardware
Apr 01 08:52:32 <Shapeshifter> Treibholz: but if you go to a longer page, say http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein , is it still smooth when scrolling?
Apr 01 08:52:47 <Shapeshifter> I get very clear quantums when scrolling
Apr 01 08:52:53 <cehteh> for a linux app no one wants to code 10 diffent ways to handle something best so just the most generic way is choosen
Apr 01 08:53:25 <Treibholz> Shapeshifter: can't test it right now, but it was fast on spiegel.de, which is full of flash
Apr 01 08:53:29 <cehteh> and i intentionally have smooth scrolling turned off in firefix
Apr 01 08:53:56 <cehteh> fast scrolling is more important than smooth scrolling for me
Apr 01 08:54:36 <Shapeshifter> cehteh: well, clearly we should have both
Apr 01 08:55:02 <cehteh> fast scrolling can never be smooth
Apr 01 08:55:18 <Shapeshifter> cehteh: sure it can. it is on macs.
Apr 01 08:55:41 <Treibholz> cehteh: yes it can!
Apr 01 08:55:48 <cehteh> really fast scrolling
Apr 01 08:56:05 <Shapeshifter> cehteh: well then it's not scrolling anymore but jumping
Apr 01 08:56:16 <cehteh> when you scroll more than 1 line per frame for example
Apr 01 08:56:33 <Shapeshifter> cehteh: but you got 60fps on a normal TFT.
Apr 01 08:56:48 <cehteh> yes
Apr 01 08:57:02 <Shapeshifter> cehteh: so at perfect smoothness, you can jump 60 pixels per second.
Apr 01 08:57:08 <Shapeshifter> but that's without magic
Apr 01 08:57:24 <cehteh> yes
Apr 01 08:57:48 <cehteh> but anything else needs magic .. including slower, faster, non integral rates
Apr 01 08:58:07 <cehteh> it can be done, just not supported
Apr 01 08:58:09 <Treibholz> cehteh: does changing the hostname hurt anything?
Apr 01 08:58:23 <Shapeshifter> cehteh: oh and btw, nokia also knew the hardware capabilities of the n900.
Apr 01 08:58:25 <cehteh> Treibholz: uhm dunno, i bet yes
Apr 01 08:58:36 <cehteh> Shapeshifter: yeah :/
Apr 01 08:58:58 <Shapeshifter> but all the android phones are just as stuttery or even worse then the n900
Apr 01 08:59:33 <Shapeshifter> btw http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/03/secrets-of-the-nexus-ones-screen-science-color-and-hacks.ars
Apr 01 08:59:50 <cehteh> well 'perfect' scrolling as in me as video programmer would say needs a lot of technical efforts
Apr 01 09:00:23 <cehteh> basically you want directed motion blur and 30hz at least
Apr 01 09:00:31 <cehteh> 30hz updates
Apr 01 09:00:38 <cehteh> doesnt need to be 60hz
Apr 01 09:00:47 <jaska> motion blur.. ugh
Apr 01 09:01:03 <cehteh> not ugh .. thats what makes it realistic
Apr 01 09:01:21 <jaska> i just find that effect disgusting on lcds
Apr 01 09:01:31 <cehteh> the human eye actually compensates motion blur better than any high framerate can provide
Apr 01 09:01:49 <cehteh> if you notice it then its applied wrong
Apr 01 09:03:02 <Shapeshifter> well hyperui is at least a step forward in terms of smoothness
Apr 01 09:03:30 <Shapeshifter> but still lots of tearing
Apr 01 09:03:59 <Shapeshifter> I mean, it seems like the n900 doesn't sync at all
Apr 01 09:04:44 <X-Fade> cos^: pong
Apr 01 09:06:03 <Treibholz> what bothers me much more is the lack of IMAP IDLE and CalDAV
Apr 01 09:06:04 <cos^> yep?
Apr 01 09:06:29 <X-Fade> cos^: What is the problem you are having. Or rather, with which package?
Apr 01 09:07:08 <cos^> X-Fade: i promoted ppcards and got the blank page
Apr 01 09:07:39 <cos^> maybe the server logs have something useful information
Apr 01 09:08:03 <cos^> promotion worked though, or at least the "Promote package" link is no more
Apr 01 09:08:05 <X-Fade> cos^: Will check. So the promotion did work, but the page ended up being blank?
Apr 01 09:08:11 <cos^> exactly
Apr 01 09:08:37 <X-Fade> cos^: Ok. Will check the logs.
Apr 01 09:10:36 <cehteh> Treibholz: modest is really modest :)
Apr 01 09:10:45 <cehteh> Treibholz: claws ftw
Apr 01 09:11:19 <Treibholz> cehteh: claws has an offline-mode?
Apr 01 09:11:34 <cehteh> iirc yes
Apr 01 09:12:18 <Treibholz> cehteh: do you use it on the n900?
Apr 01 09:13:01 <Shapeshifter> I find claws absolutely unusable on the n900
Apr 01 09:13:01 <cehteh> i used it, its not properly hildonized so it has its own problems, but currently i just dont use mail from the n900 except in emergencies and then with modest
Apr 01 09:13:06 <Shapeshifter> it's made for a huge screen
Apr 01 09:13:19 <cehteh> means manuall connecting and updateing, read most recent mails and send mails
Apr 01 09:13:28 <cehteh> but really modest is pita
Apr 01 09:13:46 <cehteh> Shapeshifter: you can configure it quite a lot then it works better
Apr 01 09:14:03 <cehteh> but to make it really comfortable it should be hildonized agreed
Apr 01 09:15:40 <cehteh> .. to make it short: there is NO useable email client on the n900
Apr 01 09:15:52 <cehteh> claws is feature wise the best
Apr 01 09:17:07 <Treibholz> to be honest there is no really useable email-client anywhere.
Apr 01 09:19:19 <cehteh> i switched from sylpheed to thunderbird once to support my wife
Apr 01 09:19:32 <cehteh> but sylpheed (claws now) was a bit better
Apr 01 09:19:39 <cehteh> more orthogonal, configureable
Apr 01 09:19:57 <Shapeshifter> thunderbird is okay except it's big and slow
Apr 01 09:20:01 <cehteh> yeah
Apr 01 09:20:33 <cehteh> claws is way better in details anyways
Apr 01 09:20:41 <madduck> can I access the osso abook through other means than the contacts application?
Apr 01 09:21:04 <madduck> i find claws to be rather strange to use at times
Apr 01 09:21:09 * madduck wants offlineimap+mutt
Apr 01 09:21:20 <madduck> cehteh: hi btw! ;)
Apr 01 09:22:41 <cehteh> hi
Apr 01 09:24:59 <RST38h> "The first iPads reviews are up, pushing reviewers to their very limits in the search for superlatives worthy of the sublime magnificence bestowed upon them."
Apr 01 09:27:19 <ghostcube> hi, :)
Apr 01 09:27:20 <cehteh> mhm would be an ideal numpty-physics device
Apr 01 09:27:28 <cehteh> .. oh no capacitative screen .. :P
Apr 01 09:27:40 <cehteh> damn .. anyone has a usecase?
Apr 01 09:27:43 <Stskeeps> use a sausage
Apr 01 09:27:47 <cehteh> ANYONE!!!!
Apr 01 09:27:58 <ghostcube> is there  a way to get flsh working on maemo nokia N900 and firefox? i just installed it and its lagging plugins ?
Apr 01 09:28:18 <cehteh> hehe
Apr 01 09:28:19 <sar3th> flash came pre-installed in microb for me
Apr 01 09:28:32 <cehteh> you seen the announcement on the fennec page about flash?
Apr 01 09:28:53 <ghostcube> cehteh: nope
Apr 01 09:29:13 <cehteh> kindof "with flash its slow like cold molasses, so we disabled it intentionally"
Apr 01 09:29:27 <madduck> so how does one access the osso addressbook via SSH from a machine with a real keyboard? ;)
Apr 01 09:30:14 <Kurppa_> ghostcube: type about:config to the url. Search for plugin.disable and change that from true to false.
Apr 01 09:30:17 <cehteh> ghostcube: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/1.0/releasenotes/   see Known Issues
Apr 01 09:30:38 <ghostcube> Kurppa_: ah thx i looked into but havent known what to change exactly thx
Apr 01 09:30:54 <madduck> i want/need to make mass-changes to my addressbook. how?
Apr 01 09:31:20 <cehteh> madduck: its a sqlite db somewhere .. dump, edit, import
Apr 01 09:31:20 <petteri> madduck: there are some databases on the device
Apr 01 09:31:30 <madduck> yeah, berkeleyDB
Apr 01 09:31:36 <madduck> i won't touch that directly
Apr 01 09:31:39 <cehteh> not sqlite?
Apr 01 09:31:48 <cehteh> well berkeley has also dump tools
Apr 01 09:31:54 <cehteh> (and import)
Apr 01 09:32:05 <madduck> http://slexy.org/view/s2o1CoEsQs
Apr 01 09:32:23 <madduck> berkeley has no integrity checks when you do that, so I'd rather not run the risk to screw something up
Apr 01 09:32:34 <madduck> I want osso-abook and python bindings!
Apr 01 09:32:45 <cehteh> backup ftw
Apr 01 09:32:56 <madduck> but then all my mass changing work would be lost just like that
Apr 01 09:33:05 <Kurppa_> Real men don't backup.
Apr 01 09:33:05 <ghostcube> hmm, xchat on maemo is a bit bah :D first time i changed to irssi heh
Apr 01 09:33:18 <cehteh> ghostcube: why that?
Apr 01 09:33:27 <ghostcube> no nick list no tab completition
Apr 01 09:33:33 <cehteh> sure
Apr 01 09:33:34 <ghostcube> :)
Apr 01 09:33:42 <cehteh> you can enable/configure all
Apr 01 09:33:50 <ghostcube> i cant see the nick list
Apr 01 09:33:53 <ghostcube> even if i set it
Apr 01 09:34:00 <cehteh> preference, enable it .. prolly disabled
Apr 01 09:34:02 <Treibholz> ghostcube: use the stick, luke!
Apr 01 09:34:14 <cehteh> works for me
Apr 01 09:34:17 <ghostcube> -.- woah i have not so fat fingers :P
Apr 01 09:34:26 <sejo> http://www.knowyourmobile.com/nokia/nokian900/n900userguides/382267/how_to_update_the_firmware_on_the_nokia_n900.html states you can update OTA, but I cannot find the device manager
Apr 01 09:34:32 <ghostcube> ok must try guys i just bought it heh and dled easy.debian for image
Apr 01 09:34:44 <cehteh> and you get notifications with xchat .. led blinks vibrates and so on when someone highlights you! :P
Apr 01 09:35:30 <cehteh> well .. and i am biased towards xchat because i made that plugin :>
Apr 01 09:35:44 <thresh> xchat was nice back in 1.8 days.
Apr 01 09:36:04 <cehteh> well i dont pay too much attention to the irc client i use
Apr 01 09:36:17 <thresh> was nice == didnt suck that hard.
Apr 01 09:36:23 <thresh> it was fast, at least.
Apr 01 09:36:27 <cehteh> has to have the functionality i need, which is mostly typing text into it and displaying it
Apr 01 09:36:32 <joga> irssi+shell is most versatile imo
Apr 01 09:36:43 <cehteh> whats slow with xchat?
Apr 01 09:36:44 <Treibholz> irssi is pretty good on the desktop
Apr 01 09:36:53 <Treibholz> and you can put it in screen.
Apr 01 09:37:28 <cehteh> i think its quite mature and well writte .. you notice it on the n900 that it doesnt require much cpu even with 30+ channels open
Apr 01 09:37:30 <thresh> try using your keyboard to navigate through tabs. and keep the buttons pressed. you'll see xchat not being able to refresh windows properly
Apr 01 09:37:52 <cehteh> works for me
Apr 01 09:37:59 <thresh> well, it was back in 2006, so eh.
Apr 01 09:38:07 <joga> hehe...I have 292 windows open in my irssi ;)
Apr 01 09:39:05 <RST38h> cehteh: well...dropping cpu requirement was kinda what I have done to it =)
Apr 01 09:39:28 <cehteh> RST38h: yes i know
Apr 01 09:40:00 <cehteh> but well it wasnt some fundamental flaw, just configs and bit tweaking
Apr 01 09:46:03 <ghostcube> cehteh: the user list works now :)
Apr 01 09:46:22 <Shapeshifter> no april fools yet?
Apr 01 09:46:46 <cehteh> nokia released pr1.2 ... 5+ times toda<
Apr 01 09:46:47 <cehteh> y
Apr 01 09:46:49 * Shapeshifter doesn't see an announcment that meego is merging into windows 7
Apr 01 09:47:12 <Shapeshifter> cehteh: meh. I mean an 'official' one.
Apr 01 09:47:17 <SpeedEvil> Shapeshifter, it's the other way round.
Apr 01 09:47:33 <SpeedEvil> Shapeshifter, win 7 is rebasing on meego.
Apr 01 09:48:04 <cehteh> meego abadons the redhat base and will switch to gentoo
Apr 01 09:48:15 <Jaffa> Shapeshifter: Since MeeGo targets x86 and ARM, and Nokia have said that the same apps will be able to run on the different variants of MeeGo/Harmattan, that means we'll be able to run Windows apps like PhotoShop on MeeGo.
Apr 01 09:48:18 * Treibholz thought the RPM-bullshit was a joke....
Apr 01 09:48:45 <Shapeshifter> Jaffa: I heard, meego will switch to the windows kernel.
Apr 01 09:48:53 <cehteh> wine
Apr 01 09:49:40 <Shapeshifter> as such, meego will use msi packages.
Apr 01 09:50:05 <lcuk> i heard that the fat binaries used on mac include an additional ARMEL compiled section, so you can just take your mac apps and run them on any maemo machine :)
Apr 01 09:50:09 <nidO> itll only accept packages signed by redmond too rite?
Apr 01 09:50:20 <Treibholz> meego will switch to FreeBSD, so they can make it closed source!
Apr 01 09:51:10 <Shapeshifter> in fact, if you press a+b+left+right while booting the n900, it will reboot into iPhone OS.
Apr 01 09:51:30 <Shapeshifter> that's because apple bought nokia.
Apr 01 09:56:25 <odin_> where can I get Windows7 for N900 ?
Apr 01 09:56:40 <Treibholz> odin_: ebay.
Apr 01 09:56:49 <till_> itunes
Apr 01 09:58:04 <odin_> Treibholz, oh yes, I see it... guys wants me to box up my handset and stick 50 GBP with it to install it... great!
Apr 01 09:58:13 * odin_ boxes up his N900
Apr 01 10:07:34 <SpeedEvil_> oh no! I was just going to comment, when I found out april fools day has been cancelled! :(
Apr 01 10:08:34 <RST38h> good
Apr 01 10:15:20 <Arif_> :yawn:
Apr 01 10:18:00 <RST38h> Hehe, the N900 color depth thread is still going on
Apr 01 10:18:18 <asj> RST38h: about what exactly?
Apr 01 10:18:44 <Arif_> OMG THE N900 IS ONLY 65K KOLORS :(
Apr 01 10:18:50 <corecode> isit?
Apr 01 10:18:51 <RST38h> asj: some kid claiming that n900 has 24bpp display but nokia only uses 16bpp because iti s evil
Apr 01 10:19:12 <asj> it looks fine to me? ;)
Apr 01 10:19:17 <Arif_> who cares anyway
Apr 01 10:19:22 <corecode> that explains things
Apr 01 10:19:22 <Kegetys> isn't it a TN panel anyway?
Apr 01 10:19:26 <lcuk> im not sure what the actual lcd color depth is - i dont think any lcd is 24bit is it?
Apr 01 10:19:32 <Arif_> your encoded pr0n won't look better if it's 24bit
Apr 01 10:19:33 <Arif_> :P
Apr 01 10:19:42 <lcuk> x11 uses a 16bit format for its data etc?
Apr 01 10:19:42 <RST38h> asj: javispedro, apparently working for Nokia Conspiracy, insisted on 16bpp and even edited Wiki page to say 16bpp
Apr 01 10:19:50 <lcuk> but other formats (yuv) send 24bit
Apr 01 10:19:53 <Kegetys> ips and va panels are 24bit, and 30bit ones are coming
Apr 01 10:19:53 <RST38h> Can you imagine Evil this large? =)
Apr 01 10:20:03 <asj> what's the X server report?
Apr 01 10:20:36 <RST38h> lcuk: How many bits is that YUV format anyway?
Apr 01 10:20:45 <lcuk> 24bit
Apr 01 10:20:52 <RST38h> in memory, right?
Apr 01 10:20:56 <lcuk> 8bit grey channel 1:1 pixels:data
Apr 01 10:21:05 <RST38h> aha
Apr 01 10:21:05 <lcuk> and UV channels have 4:1
Apr 01 10:21:09 <hrw> morning
Apr 01 10:21:15 <SpeedEvil> morning.
Apr 01 10:21:26 <RST38h> lcuk: wait, that is 8/4/4 ?
Apr 01 10:21:50 <corecode> that's the blocking
Apr 01 10:21:58 <corecode> not the bit depth, no?
Apr 01 10:22:00 <lcuk> its got a grey plane (8bit) of 800*480, and 2 UV channels (8bit each) 400*240
Apr 01 10:22:15 <lcuk> you can get full 24bit color depth
Apr 01 10:22:40 <RST38h> oh
Apr 01 10:22:55 <asj> wife's a little pissed at nokia at the moment, they cut off her Nokia Messaging account with Free Trial Over (tm) but she can't but it from anyone....
Apr 01 10:23:21 <RST38h> asj: Should not have used Nokia Messaging to begin with
Apr 01 10:23:25 <asj> buy
Apr 01 10:23:31 <asj> RST38h: it works pretty well really
Apr 01 10:24:29 <TomaszD> hey.
Apr 01 10:24:31 <timeless_mbp> asj: hrm,
Apr 01 10:25:16 <timeless_mbp> asj: what country?
Apr 01 10:25:22 <asj> timeless_mbp: .au
Apr 01 10:25:54 <timeless_mbp> oh, it looks like the post beta is supposed to come in may :)
Apr 01 10:26:44 <crashanddie> howzit brus?
Apr 01 10:26:47 <asj> hmm?
Apr 01 10:27:28 * timeless_mbp ponders
Apr 01 10:27:37 <timeless_mbp> the Nokians here just got back from lunch
Apr 01 10:27:41 <Arif_> the wotsit beta?
Apr 01 10:27:44 <timeless_mbp> i'll ask if any of them know anything
Apr 01 10:27:50 <timeless_mbp> there was a beta for the 5800
Apr 01 10:27:51 * timeless_mbp shrugs
Apr 01 10:27:58 <timeless_mbp> i don't know anything about nokia messaging :)
Apr 01 10:28:04 <timeless_mbp> i'm using the same internet as the rest of you :)
Apr 01 10:28:13 <cehteh> is that ovi chat?
Apr 01 10:28:31 <cehteh> they hornestly dont want to make a paied chat service? :)
Apr 01 10:28:43 <sulx> ovi chat is different
Apr 01 10:28:48 <cehteh> ok
Apr 01 10:29:27 <timeless_mbp> asj: can you pastebin something relating to the messaging expiry?
Apr 01 10:29:33 <timeless_mbp> i'm asking nokians here and they don't recognize it
Apr 01 10:29:52 <timeless_mbp> (we're in Sweden)
Apr 01 10:29:57 <asj> timeless_mbp: one of the carriers here sells it for $3/mo, sadly she doesn't use that carrier, sec
Apr 01 10:30:12 <sulx> messaging is imap idle email proxylike service...or so
Apr 01 10:30:31 <timeless_mbp> they think that Optus has commercial sales
Apr 01 10:30:48 <asj> http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1359781
Apr 01 10:31:30 <timeless_mbp> ok, someone here is familiar w/ this :(
Apr 01 10:31:51 <asj> timeless_mbp: she's not going to switch to optus, she needs a provider that actually works.  Optus' data service is "special"
Apr 01 10:33:14 <hrw> cehteh: ovi chat is just jabber
Apr 01 10:33:19 <asj> such is life, she can use mfe, but it sucks to much bat, ah well
Apr 01 10:33:40 <asj> nokia does seem to like to annoy people
Apr 01 10:33:43 <timeless_mbp> asj: ok, i got a contact for australia
Apr 01 10:34:03 <asj> timeless_mbp: ah cool
Apr 01 10:34:07 <timeless_mbp> asj: can i ask you to have your wife write me an email complaining about this and explaining that she won't switch operators?
Apr 01 10:34:15 <timeless_mbp> i've been given contact info for the guy in Australia
Apr 01 10:34:19 <timeless_mbp> so i'll pass it along
Apr 01 10:34:27 <timeless_mbp> (sorry, i'm not going to share the contact info)
Apr 01 10:35:59 <Shapeshifter> yay http://kernel.org/
Apr 01 10:36:09 <Arif_> :shifty:
Apr 01 10:36:47 <Shapeshifter> Arif_: what is that some kind of MSN emoticon no-one can understand?
Apr 01 10:37:06 <Arif_> no
Apr 01 10:40:19 <timeless_mbp> … unless of course you're a nokian! … gah
Apr 01 10:40:40 <Arif_> what's a "Nokian"?
Apr 01 10:41:14 <timeless_mbp> someone unfortunate (or stupid?) enough to have a certain employer?
Apr 01 10:41:25 <Arif_> heh
Apr 01 10:41:28 <Arif_> they're that bad?
Apr 01 10:42:19 <timeless_mbp> *shrug*
Apr 01 10:42:22 <Arif_> oh well, they treat their customers and workers the same then :D
Apr 01 10:43:36 <SpeedEvil> what is this messeging service they are trying to charge for?
Apr 01 10:43:53 <SpeedEvil> Is it just another email provider?
Apr 01 10:44:01 <Arif_> "push" email
Apr 01 10:44:19 <MiXu-> What's wrong with working for Nokia? :)
Apr 01 10:44:22 <SpeedEvil> ah.
Apr 01 10:44:31 <MiXu-> (I'm starting there on May 3rd ;)
Apr 01 10:44:40 <Arif_> MiXu-, as what?
Apr 01 10:45:31 <MiXu-> Arif_: Maemo testing related work.
Apr 01 10:45:56 <Arif_> oo, congrats
Apr 01 10:46:01 <MiXu-> thanks :)
Apr 01 10:46:11 <Arif_> be prepared for "when is pr1.x being releaeed" flooding :P
Apr 01 10:46:30 <Stskeeps> MiXu-: have fun going down the rabbithole :)
Apr 01 10:46:31 <Arif_> and no, not by me xD
Apr 01 10:46:56 <hrw> MiXu-: shitty work position
Apr 01 10:47:07 <MiXu-> hrw: How's that?
Apr 01 10:47:54 <hrw> MiXu-: maemo software testing is nonsense job because testing wrong designed soft is useless
Apr 01 10:48:27 <cos^> is there any way to disable the user agreement dialogs while installing software?
Apr 01 10:48:32 <MiXu-> hrw: I'd have to disagree. I've done Maemo testing in the past.
Apr 01 10:48:50 <cos^> it's pretty annoying especially when restoring a backup
Apr 01 10:49:22 <Arif_> MiXu-, thats why its so buggy
Apr 01 10:49:23 <Arif_> ?
Apr 01 10:49:46 <MiXu-> It's not that bad compared to symbian. :D
Apr 01 10:50:06 <hrw> MiXu-: if maemo software would be tested then it would not get so many simple bugs
Apr 01 10:50:08 <lcuk> MiXu-, :) congrats, if you can say - which team are you with
Apr 01 10:50:28 <hrw> MiXu-: symbian has working calendars, maemo5 does not
Apr 01 10:50:55 <Arif_> Symbian doesn't crash when you search in the media player
Apr 01 10:50:58 <Arif_> ;)
Apr 01 10:51:23 <MiXu-> lcuk: I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say that
Apr 01 10:51:30 <hrw> and do video calls, has mms outofbox and usable navigation
Apr 01 10:51:31 <hrw> ;D
Apr 01 10:51:33 <nidO> if you arent sure
Apr 01 10:51:36 <nidO> you werent told not to
Apr 01 10:51:38 <nidO> so you can
Apr 01 10:51:39 <nidO> \o/
Apr 01 10:51:47 <frals> or the reverse...
Apr 01 10:51:51 <frals> :p
Apr 01 10:52:23 <MiXu-> hrw: The only thing about those related to testing is the crashing media player. The rest is design.
Apr 01 10:52:51 <hrw> MiXu-: thats why I am saying that testing maemo software is useless.
Apr 01 10:52:54 <nidO> testing really should have picked up on pr1.1 breaking avi streaming :<
Apr 01 10:53:04 <hrw> if app is broken by design then what is a sense of testing it?
Apr 01 10:53:13 <hrw> bug 6933 for example
Apr 01 10:53:17 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6933 Alarm times are shown wrong
Apr 01 10:53:36 <hrw> bug 6655 is other kind
Apr 01 10:53:37 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6655 Wifi Protected Setup cannot be disabled in favor of classical way
Apr 01 10:54:12 <nidO> well thats just one minor ui omission
Apr 01 10:54:21 <hrw> bug 8989 is one which I doubt that will get fixed in fremantle
Apr 01 10:54:22 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8989 number -> name decoding for sms should only be decoded from phone number fields of contacts
Apr 01 10:54:23 <nidO> you can happily set the network up manually, just not through the scanning screen
Apr 01 10:54:42 <hrw> nidO: how many normal users will notice that there is such way?
Apr 01 10:55:05 <X-Fade> hrw: How many users would want to do manual config :)
Apr 01 10:55:14 <hrw> nidO: n900 is my 3rd tablet and I forgot that manual config exists
Apr 01 10:55:20 <hrw> 3rd nokia tablet
Apr 01 10:55:25 <nidO> normal users can also happily blame the retard router admin who enabled wps on a router users cant access in the first place
Apr 01 10:55:44 <hrw> nidO: I had router here which had no option to disable WPS
Apr 01 10:55:46 <MiXu-> hrw: You still need to get rid of the bugs even if there's something that's bad design.
Apr 01 10:55:54 <nidO> so blame the shitty router design
Apr 01 10:56:17 <hrw> nidO: really? windows/linux allows me to just provide PSK and get connected
Apr 01 10:56:37 <nidO> fact is, just because the network setup ui omits a manual-workaround button to avoid a minor usage case of a shit router setup, is hardly a definition of "broken design"
Apr 01 10:56:42 <hrw> MiXu-: I neved had faith in nokia 'so called' developers when it comes to bug fixes
Apr 01 10:56:54 <MiXu-> Fine, go buy an iPhone :)
Apr 01 10:57:10 <Shapeshifter> does someone know what the difference between qt mobile demo: weather and qt mobile weather is? one is 0.1, the other 1.0
Apr 01 10:57:15 <Shapeshifter> funny versioning
Apr 01 10:57:15 <hrw> nidO: now you have option to go with PIN method, why not add one button for PSK?
Apr 01 10:57:21 <adisbladis> MiXu-: I will!
Apr 01 10:57:48 <Arif_> I see "go buy an iPhone" way too much over here....
Apr 01 10:57:49 <hrw> MiXu-: I like n900 hw
Apr 01 10:58:22 <Scelt> Arif_: pr1.2 out?
Apr 01 10:58:24 <MiXu-> me too :)
Apr 01 10:58:29 <nidO> beats me, too much work I guess. nothing's broken though, you can still connect to badly configured routers just fine through the device, its just a not-neccesarily-idiot-proof method
Apr 01 10:58:30 <Arif_> Scelt, yes
Apr 01 10:58:36 <Scelt> Arif_: ! WAT!
Apr 01 10:58:42 <Arif_> oh wait
Apr 01 10:58:43 <Arif_> no
Apr 01 10:58:46 <Arif_> :P
Apr 01 10:58:47 <Scelt> fy
Apr 01 10:58:51 <Arif_> :D:D
Apr 01 10:59:09 <Scelt> april 1st
Apr 01 10:59:44 <Shapeshifter> cehteh: btw, foreca weather widget has much less impact on scrolling performance
Apr 01 11:00:10 <Shapeshifter> and looks more like the other widgets.
Apr 01 11:00:30 <Shapeshifter> but the app itself shows less info
Apr 01 11:02:47 <cehteh> yes but its ugly
Apr 01 11:03:29 <Shapeshifter> the app is, but I actually like the widget more
Apr 01 11:10:04 <odin_> yay to RPM
Apr 01 11:13:50 <noobmonk3y> lo alls
Apr 01 11:14:43 <Arif_> hai noobdonk3y
Apr 01 11:14:48 <Arif_> err, noobmonk3y
Apr 01 11:14:59 <noobmonk3y> :D hehe
Apr 01 11:15:07 <noobmonk3y> been called worse
Apr 01 11:15:17 <noobmonk3y> laptop posted ... meh have to wait until delivery for cash
Apr 01 11:15:22 <noobmonk3y> so much for money b4 the hols
Apr 01 11:15:28 <Arif_> you won't get the money
Apr 01 11:15:33 <Arif_> xD
Apr 01 11:15:43 <noobmonk3y> lol
Apr 01 11:17:12 <Arif_> noobmonk3y, like boobmonk3y?
Apr 01 11:17:19 <noobmonk3y> ;) yeah :D
Apr 01 11:17:28 <noobmonk3y> bouncey'boobmonk3y if you dont mind
Apr 01 11:17:41 <Arif_> I don't need those details....:D
Apr 01 11:18:17 <noobmonk3y> :P
Apr 01 11:18:30 <Arif_> hmm
Apr 01 11:18:50 <Arif_> the N900 screen locked itself after I slid the slider to the right
Apr 01 11:18:54 <Arif_> :<
Apr 01 11:19:04 <haltdef> it hates you
Apr 01 11:19:20 <Arif_> probably :D
Apr 01 11:21:07 <Stskeeps> haltdef: got your n900 yet?
Apr 01 11:21:14 <haltdef> yes!
Apr 01 11:21:17 <Stskeeps> impressions?
Apr 01 11:21:27 <haltdef> why did I spend so long on windows mobile? :x
Apr 01 11:21:31 <Stskeeps> hehe
Apr 01 11:21:36 <haltdef> audio player's shite though
Apr 01 11:21:48 <noobmonk3y> why do all python threading examples use servers, i just need a simple example to use multithreading in my app :(
Apr 01 11:21:49 <haltdef> just play one dir and leave me alone :P
Apr 01 11:22:18 <Arif_> haltdef, there are like 5 playres...they all suck
Apr 01 11:22:21 <Arif_> :D
Apr 01 11:22:28 <haltdef> yes :<
Apr 01 11:22:45 <Arif_> and when you complain on the forum you get "BUY AIFOON"
Apr 01 11:22:49 <Arif_> =}
Apr 01 11:23:02 <haltdef> my favourite is GPE media player but no avrcp support :<
Apr 01 11:23:42 <haltdef> which I really need, can't control the media player at all without taking the phone out of my pocket, no front buttons
Apr 01 11:23:59 <Arif_> use the keyboard
Apr 01 11:24:31 <Arif_> I slide the keyboard open slightly, unlock the screen, and use left/right/space
Apr 01 11:24:39 <Anss|> hmm.. should i buy iphone too. it  looks good.
Apr 01 11:24:54 <Arif_> nah
Apr 01 11:24:56 <thresh> yes
Apr 01 11:24:59 <Arif_> its an expensive toy
Apr 01 11:25:07 <Arif_> but if you really must...buy one for me :D
Apr 01 11:25:15 <Anss|> buhahaha
Apr 01 11:25:27 <thresh> like n900 is cheap
Apr 01 11:25:38 <Arif_> 400 vs 800 eur is a big difference
Apr 01 11:25:43 <haltdef> keyboard would slide closed again to easily, having the screen unlocked while in pocket is nasty
Apr 01 11:25:45 <haltdef> avrcp wins :P
Apr 01 11:25:47 <asj> Arif_: about $400 ;)
Apr 01 11:26:08 <Arif_> eyephone 3GS 32GB is like 800 here
Apr 01 11:26:09 <thresh> it depends on a country
Apr 01 11:26:33 <thresh> here it's 650 EUR
Apr 01 11:26:45 <Arif_> grey import \o
Apr 01 11:28:31 <MohammadAG> here it's 1200 pounds
Apr 01 11:36:04 <ptl> 1200 pounds????
Apr 01 11:36:04 <ptl> that would be about 4 or 5 times its price?
Apr 01 11:36:47 <ptl> pounds sterling, is that it?
Apr 01 11:36:55 <crs> Hi there. Is there any google reader enabled rss reader for n900?
Apr 01 11:37:07 <hrw> grr
Apr 01 11:37:14 <hrw> crs: there is 'grr'
Apr 01 11:37:26 <hrw> a bit pain to use
Apr 01 11:37:46 <crs> I thought that was sing of anger. :P GRR! ;)
Apr 01 11:38:05 <ptl> crs, there is an app for google reader in the repositories
Apr 01 11:38:44 <crs> ptl: how is it called?
Apr 01 11:39:05 <brik> it's called grr
Apr 01 11:39:20 <ptl> grr - Grr is a simple application for accessing Google Reader.
Apr 01 11:39:20 <crs> okia-N900-42-11:~# apt-cache search grr
Apr 01 11:39:22 <ptl> yes
Apr 01 11:39:22 <crs> Nokia-N900-42-11:~#
Apr 01 11:39:37 <haltdef> extras-devel I bet
Apr 01 11:39:51 <hrw> I tried to use it. 'grr' was heard often during use
Apr 01 11:39:58 <haltdef> haha
Apr 01 11:40:02 <X-Fade> crs: Isn't it time to update your firmware? :)
Apr 01 11:40:08 <brik> lmao
Apr 01 11:40:32 <crs> X-Fade: haha :)
Apr 01 11:40:57 <hrw> X-Fade: 1.2 will be October 25th
Apr 01 11:41:09 <X-Fade> crs: No, I mean seriously, that version is quite old.
Apr 01 11:41:12 <timeless_mbp> so, fwiw, i found out what the UK variant has :)
Apr 01 11:41:19 <timeless_mbp> it has 999 as an emergency number :)
Apr 01 11:41:35 <Arif_> lol
Apr 01 11:41:38 <crs> X-Fade: Are you serious? Is it easy process?
Apr 01 11:41:44 <crs> X-Fade: Will I loose my data?
Apr 01 11:41:46 * ptl presses update in HAM to see if X-Fade is just doing another April 1st joke
Apr 01 11:42:06 <X-Fade> ptl: he is running the first release.
Apr 01 11:42:11 * ptl doesn't care if it is, he presses update about 20 times a day anyway
Apr 01 11:42:15 * MohammadAG klines X-Fade 
Apr 01 11:42:22 <ptl> X-Fade: PR 1.1? Or PR 1.0?
Apr 01 11:42:26 <crs> How can I check with version I have?
Apr 01 11:42:28 <ptl> 42-11
Apr 01 11:42:29 <X-Fade> ptl: 1.0
Apr 01 11:42:33 <ptl> wow
Apr 01 11:42:39 <hrw> crs: in settings
Apr 01 11:42:48 <italodance> STFU
Apr 01 11:42:51 <Arif_> doesn't XTerm always say 42-11?
Apr 01 11:42:52 <ptl> or use HealthCheck from noobmonk3y
Apr 01 11:43:00 <timeless_mbp> Arif_: to be fair, it's actually understandably important
Apr 01 11:43:01 <nidO> timeless_mbp: has it as an emergency number in what way?
Apr 01 11:43:07 <aSIMULAtor> o ahi
Apr 01 11:43:08 <aSIMULAtor> hai
Apr 01 11:43:13 <SpeedEvil> crs, settiungs - about product
Apr 01 11:43:31 <Arif_> timeless_mbp, can't they just code 911, 155, 112, 999 into one firmware?
Apr 01 11:43:45 <crs> Version 2.2009.51-1.203.2 I have
Apr 01 11:43:51 <timeless_mbp> i believe 911 and 112 are universally supported
Apr 01 11:43:55 * noobmonk3y blinks
Apr 01 11:43:57 <nidO> exactly what defines it as an emergency number though?
Apr 01 11:44:02 <ptl> X-Fade: mr. distmaster, please stop the torture, give us PR1.2 :(
Apr 01 11:44:08 <SpeedEvil> timeless_mbp, you'd be wrong
Apr 01 11:44:18 <nidO> on non touchscreens it'd just let you dial them with the keypad locked
Apr 01 11:44:25 <SpeedEvil> timeless_mbp, eu,us, yes
Apr 01 11:44:27 <nidO> whats it actually do on the n900
Apr 01 11:45:31 <Arif_> how do you emergency call on the N900 anyway
Apr 01 11:45:44 <nidO> dial the number i assume
Apr 01 11:45:49 <timeless_mbp> as for why ....
Apr 01 11:46:07 <timeless_mbp> SpeedEvil: oh, i understand the ideas behind it
Apr 01 11:46:07 <aSIMULAtor> yeah there's an emergency call screen from what i recall
Apr 01 11:46:14 <Arif_> by the time you reach the dial pad you'll die :P
Apr 01 11:46:46 <ptl> * sigh *
Apr 01 11:46:51 <timeless_mbp> when you're asked for a pin code, you can enter emergency numbers instead
Apr 01 11:47:15 <ptl> what if you set your PIN code as an emergency number?
Apr 01 11:47:28 <aSIMULAtor> you can't
Apr 01 11:47:30 <timeless_mbp> pin codes are iirc 4+ characters
Apr 01 11:47:42 <timeless_mbp> the emergency numbers i've seen us support are 3
Apr 01 11:47:45 <nidO> surely that doesnt have anything to do with the phone, the security lock maybe but not the pin code
Apr 01 11:47:54 <C-S-B-N900> and good luck to you if a non n900 user needs to dial on your behalf.
Apr 01 11:47:54 <Backtrack> hi all... i have a question...
Apr 01 11:47:56 <nidO> pin code is entirely sim controlled, so bypassing it would be down to the sim as well
Apr 01 11:47:59 <timeless_mbp> i'm told sweden had "90000" as an emergency number
Apr 01 11:48:04 <timeless_mbp> but it isn't one i've seen supported
Apr 01 11:48:05 <nidO> in fact, thats right
Apr 01 11:48:11 <nidO> im on the global firmware
Apr 01 11:48:12 <jaska> dont think they still use it
Apr 01 11:48:18 <crs> X-Fade: Were you serious about an update or is it 1st april joek?
Apr 01 11:48:22 <nidO> and dialling 999 on the pin screen gives an emergency call option
Apr 01 11:48:23 <Arif_> the fastest way to get to the dialpad is to hold FN and press q,w,e,r,
Apr 01 11:48:24 <Arif_> whatever
Apr 01 11:48:24 <jaska> iirc most of europe standardized on 112
Apr 01 11:48:28 <nidO> so thats not a difference
Apr 01 11:48:39 <timeless_mbp> nidO: um, i tried 999 on mine and i didn't get emergency call
Apr 01 11:48:45 <timeless_mbp> 112 and 911 do
Apr 01 11:48:47 <nidO> works fine here on global
Apr 01 11:48:52 <X-Fade> crs: Your command line tells that you run 6 months old version?
Apr 01 11:48:56 <timeless_mbp> you're using 1.1.1?
Apr 01 11:48:59 <nidO> as do 112 and 911
Apr 01 11:49:00 <nidO> yep
Apr 01 11:49:00 <ptl> crs: if you are as way back as PR1.0, yes, there are two updates for you
Apr 01 11:49:15 <noobmonk3y> yeah 112 and 99 should be global emergency numbers (911 supposedly works in the uk too, not tried it tho)
Apr 01 11:49:17 <nidO> dyou have a uk sim in the phone?
Apr 01 11:49:19 <Backtrack> i d like to remove specifics plugins for conversations... i just want to keep msn plugin and facebook too. what can i do to remove the others???
Apr 01 11:49:20 <noobmonk3y> 999*
Apr 01 11:49:28 <nidO> 911 does work here
Apr 01 11:49:30 <ptl> Brazil is 190 and 192
Apr 01 11:49:32 <nidO> 112 is the eu number
Apr 01 11:49:35 <ptl> *has
Apr 01 11:49:46 <timeless_mbp> 112 isn't the eu number
Apr 01 11:49:48 <timeless_mbp> it's the gsm number
Apr 01 11:49:54 <SpeedEvil> UK does nolt support dialing emergency without a paid-up sim
Apr 01 11:50:02 <Arif_> lol
Apr 01 11:50:05 <Arif_> really?
Apr 01 11:50:08 <SpeedEvil> yes
Apr 01 11:50:10 <nidO> no, its the eu number thats been partially adopted by the gsma
Apr 01 11:50:23 <Arif_> sucks if you're out of credit then
Apr 01 11:50:24 <Backtrack> help please. i d like to remove specifics plugins for conversations... i just want to keep msn plugin and facebook too. what can i do to remove the others???
Apr 01 11:50:26 <crs> ptl: Version 2.2009.51-1.203.2 I have - is there an updated one released?
Apr 01 11:50:42 <Arif_> crs, there's 2010 02 8
Apr 01 11:50:51 <timeless_mbp> Arif_: really, there's a wikipedia article on emergency numbers
Apr 01 11:50:51 <Arif_> but it only fixes 2 bugs
Apr 01 11:50:57 <timeless_mbp> it's … well… worth a read i guess
Apr 01 11:51:00 <ptl> crs: definitely. Go to Hildon Application Manager, update
Apr 01 11:51:02 <timeless_mbp> it's all very strange
Apr 01 11:51:06 <ptl> …
Apr 01 11:51:24 <Backtrack> help please. i d like to remove specifics plugins for conversations... i just want to keep msn plugin and facebook too. what can i do to remove the others???
Apr 01 11:51:28 <Arif_> timeless_mbp, it just....suprises me you need to pay for an emergency call :)
Apr 01 11:51:32 <nidO> you dont
Apr 01 11:51:36 <timeless_mbp> Arif_: it isn't charged
Apr 01 11:51:39 <brik> Backtrack: have you tried looking under app manager and uninstall?
Apr 01 11:51:41 <ptl> Backtrack: we have read you
Apr 01 11:51:42 <timeless_mbp> but they were iirc afraid of pranking
Apr 01 11:51:54 <lovelyboy> Hi, do anyone know how to review and clean the cache memory of n900
Apr 01 11:52:06 <Arif_> that's better I guess
Apr 01 11:52:06 <crs> ptl: Is hildon an default app manager? Or is it seperate package?
Apr 01 11:52:07 <ptl> cache memory?
Apr 01 11:52:11 <timeless_mbp> ptl: hrm, i'll have to check w/ someone in HEL later
Apr 01 11:52:12 <Arif_> but you get free credit with every sim anyway
Apr 01 11:52:15 <Arif_> if you really want to prank..
Apr 01 11:52:18 <lovelyboy> ptl, yes
Apr 01 11:52:27 <ptl> crs: no, never mind the 'hildon' part, go to Application manager on the menu
Apr 01 11:52:29 <timeless_mbp> all i know is that the device i have here has what should be the global variant and it doesn't like 999
Apr 01 11:52:42 <ptl> lovelyboy: but from what application? the browser?
Apr 01 11:52:46 <timeless_mbp> and having seen the variant configuration for uk, i know that it was specifically added for it
Apr 01 11:52:47 <Backtrack> i have to deserve the package. if i ll remove it ll remove all of them! just i want to know... where maemo puts the plugins for jabber aol gtalk etc
Apr 01 11:52:57 <timeless_mbp> ptl: are you in UK / on a UK sim?
Apr 01 11:53:02 <lovelyboy> I dont know whether there is cache memory on the device as pc, but my camera doesn't work after using for a while
Apr 01 11:53:04 <ptl> timeless_mbp: no, Brazil
Apr 01 11:53:04 <crs> ptl: Is that equvalent to apt-get update and upgrade?
Apr 01 11:53:12 <nidO> well, the global firmware on this device definitely has it.
Apr 01 11:53:24 <ptl> crs: yes. You have apt-get update and upgrade on the terminal, btw.
Apr 01 11:53:30 <timeless_mbp> nidO: sorry, that question was to you i think
Apr 01 11:53:37 <timeless_mbp> are you in UK/on a UK sim?
Apr 01 11:53:39 <crs> it says no updates available, ptl
Apr 01 11:53:40 <nidO> yes
Apr 01 11:53:44 <timeless_mbp> nidO: try removing the sim
Apr 01 11:53:47 <timeless_mbp> see if 999 still works
Apr 01 11:54:03 <Backtrack> i have to deserve the package. if i ll remove it ll remove all of them! just i want to know... where maemo puts the plugins for jabber aol gtalk etc
Apr 01 11:54:18 <timeless_mbp> Backtrack: that doesn't make any sense
Apr 01 11:54:19 <ptl> X-Fade: can you help crs? He seems to be way back but there are no updates available for him. How come?
Apr 01 11:54:43 <lovelyboy> ptl, not brower, but the camera does not work after I use it in my app for a while. I cant even open it
Apr 01 11:54:45 <nidO> probably not, as I said bypassing the sim lock to make the call via the sim will be dependant on the sim in the phone, so if the sim doesnt support 999, it wont go through
Apr 01 11:54:46 <jaska> "Some people in the UK have reported accidentally dialing 112 by loop-disconnect while working on extension telephone wiring, and point to this as a disadvantage of that number", heh, i have accidentally dialed 112 on a pstn telephone by pressing the hook repeatedly
Apr 01 11:54:50 <crs> Sorry for not having huge knowledge about n900. Got it not long time ago. ;/
Apr 01 11:54:56 <nidO> because as you said, UK networks require a functioning sim for emergency calls
Apr 01 11:54:58 <timeless_mbp> nidO: i'm not talking about calling
Apr 01 11:55:01 <ptl> lovelyboy: that's weird, but I wonder if it has to do with any cache.
Apr 01 11:55:04 <lcuk> timeless, dont ask people to call emergency services, in the uk police like to take time out of their busy schedule to call round
Apr 01 11:55:10 <noobmonk3y> anyone python developers know of a simple threading example anywhere?
Apr 01 11:55:13 <timeless_mbp> just whether entering '999' at the pin code triggers the button for 'emergency call'
Apr 01 11:55:21 <lovelyboy> ptl, no idea
Apr 01 11:55:22 <Backtrack> it has. it does. i need to remove just the plugins that i dont use li gtalk etc i hate to have them
Apr 01 11:55:25 <ptl> crs: I don't either, but X-Fade is the distmaster, he surely knows everything about updates
Apr 01 11:55:30 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: it's just to see if the button is enabled
Apr 01 11:55:30 <nidO> timeless_mbp: how do you expect me to get the pin code request with no sim in the device anyway
Apr 01 11:55:41 <timeless_mbp> nidO: try using a device lock?
Apr 01 11:55:43 <X-Fade> ptl: I'm not and no.
Apr 01 11:55:45 <nidO> as I asked right at the start, you're probably talking about the phone's device lock not the pin
Apr 01 11:55:46 <crs> ptl: Ok, thanks a lot!
Apr 01 11:55:50 <Backtrack> and i cant remove all the pack
Apr 01 11:55:51 <timeless_mbp> it should support emergency dialing too
Apr 01 11:56:00 <ptl> Backtrack: since these plugins ship as part of the base system, I fear that you can't just remove them
Apr 01 11:56:02 <MohammadAG> it does
Apr 01 11:56:09 <timeless_mbp> well, i'm testing against sim lock
Apr 01 11:56:12 <ptl> X-Fade: you aren't? But I have the impression to seeing you as such.
Apr 01 11:56:21 <timeless_mbp> but the emergency dialing should work in both places
Apr 01 11:56:31 <lovelyboy> ptl, and if I restart the phone, everything seems ok again. But after a while, the camera will fail
Apr 01 11:56:37 <X-Fade> ptl: do a whois ;)
Apr 01 11:56:37 <timeless_mbp> so my guess is that if you enabled device lock, removed the sim, and entered '999', you wouldn't see the emergency call button
Apr 01 11:56:55 <crs> ptl: Hmm, very weird. apt-get update and upgrade shows that there is quite a lot to update! Thanks. Will procede now
Apr 01 11:56:56 <nidO> against the sim lock with a uk sim in I get the emergency option, ill try the device lock as well
Apr 01 11:56:57 <fabinader> Hi, anyone knows the purpose of mp-fremantle-generic-pr?
Apr 01 11:57:01 <ptl> ~xfade@Maemo/community/webmaster/X-Fade
Apr 01 11:57:09 <timeless_mbp> whereas if you insert the sim, enter your sim code, and then enter '999' at the device lock, i bet the emergency call button would be enabled
Apr 01 11:57:17 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, i don't get an emergency dial option for 999
Apr 01 11:57:18 <ptl> crs: er, wait
Apr 01 11:57:21 <Backtrack> ptl exaple. in plugin for chat and conversations... where are the msn facebook etc plugins? it wasnt included on maemo. i installed it bjut i dneed to deerve just some of them
Apr 01 11:57:22 <MohammadAG> global firmware
Apr 01 11:57:27 <crs> ptl: Yes?
Apr 01 11:57:41 <C-S-B-N900> hey guys, lets just hope we never have to call the emergencies!
Apr 01 11:57:42 <brik> you do get an emergency call option when entering 999 when the device is locked
Apr 01 11:57:44 <ptl> crs: apt-get shows some stuff from PR1.2... the next update... which is not out yet, but it is supposed to be out in the next few days
Apr 01 11:57:58 <nidO> timeless_mbp: so you're *only* concerned with testing it with no sim in atall?
Apr 01 11:57:59 <ptl> crs: I am not sure you can update using apt-get just now
Apr 01 11:58:06 <fabinader> I was trying to instal maemo-pc-connectivity and then I got the following error message: mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: kernel-modules (= 2.6.28-20094803.3+0m5) but 20100203-maemo5 is to be installed
Apr 01 11:58:13 <nidO> whats the point in that, even if the emergency dial option was there it wouldnt work
Apr 01 11:58:14 <ptl> crs: maybe it's better if you wait till PR1.2 is out
Apr 01 11:58:20 <timeless_mbp> nidO: i'm only concerned with proving that '999' is not special to the global variant
Apr 01 11:58:20 <fabinader> btw, I have a custom-compiled kernel installed...
Apr 01 11:58:20 <crs> ptl: Most of packages has 203 version suffix
Apr 01 11:58:27 <X-Fade> fabinader: If you remove that package, your SSU won't work anymore.
Apr 01 11:58:31 <timeless_mbp> it's perfectly fine for a uk sim to cause '999' to be special
Apr 01 11:58:40 <Backtrack> my n900 is totaly modded hahahahah
Apr 01 11:59:05 <C-S-B-N900> Backtrack: how so?
Apr 01 11:59:06 <timeless_mbp> i guess roughly that means that an n900 in uk with a foreign sim would either have 999 work or not depending on which variant is flashed to it
Apr 01 11:59:10 <fabinader> X-Fade: I believe I have run " apt-get -f install" and answered Yes, so it was removed :(
Apr 01 11:59:15 <crs> ptl: I will do it now I think. :) I am very unpatient person :)
Apr 01 11:59:15 <nidO> well, if it does the phone's clever because it does it for the lock code as well as the pin code request
Apr 01 11:59:20 <fabinader> X-Fade: what I lost with that?
Apr 01 11:59:25 <nidO> (lock code comes first, and with a sim in it accepts 999)
Apr 01 11:59:28 <nidO> testing with no sim
Apr 01 11:59:36 <X-Fade> fabinader: You can always reinstall it with apt-get install.
Apr 01 11:59:44 <timeless_mbp> nidO: it's definitely possible the n900 is clever
Apr 01 11:59:49 <X-Fade> fabinader: Now you won't see any firmware updates.
Apr 01 11:59:55 <timeless_mbp> clever people/things do happen, even here :)
Apr 01 12:00:03 <fabinader> X-Fade: whenever I try to reinstall it, I get the same  Depends: kernel-modules (= 2.6.28-20094803.3+0m5) but 20100203-maemo5 is to be installed
Apr 01 12:00:14 <ptl> crs: good luck, maybe there's no problem, I've just checked my updates here and they're all from the SDK repository, I guess that's ok if yours are not.
Apr 01 12:00:20 <nidO> though that opens up an odd point
Apr 01 12:00:26 <SpeedEvil> timeless_mbp, no, I mean the call does not go through on the network side.
Apr 01 12:00:27 <X-Fade> fabinader: That means that that package depends on a different firmware version.
Apr 01 12:00:39 <Backtrack> c-s-b it hasn sounds themes bookmarks games maps and pdf reader... it has new apps from repos and differents menus
Apr 01 12:00:42 <nidO> if the device is capable of reading the emergency numbers allowed from the sim, so as to allow 999 to work with a sim in
Apr 01 12:00:47 <SpeedEvil> timeless_mbp, without a paid up sim - calling 999 fails.
Apr 01 12:00:51 <nidO> there'd be no point in the uk variant being hardcoded to accept it anyway
Apr 01 12:00:53 <Backtrack> with loadin bar at startup etc
Apr 01 12:00:57 <SpeedEvil> at least, last I tried
Apr 01 12:01:01 <crs> ptl: And one more question. How can I add repo with grr?
Apr 01 12:01:17 <fabinader> X-Fade: OK, but I can always try forcing firmware rewriting with maemo-flasher, right?
Apr 01 12:01:21 <ptl> crs: see "Extras" on wiki.maemo.org
Apr 01 12:01:31 <Backtrack> i removed all the games etc i hate to have nokia stupid things
Apr 01 12:01:36 <timeless_mbp> SpeedEvil: i'm totally uninterested in making a call
Apr 01 12:01:37 <X-Fade> fabinader: You can force a lot, if you know what you are doing ;)
Apr 01 12:01:38 <crs> ptl: i have extras I think, just not devel one.
Apr 01 12:01:58 <timeless_mbp> we're only interested in whether the n900's global variant _natively_ understands that 999 is an emergency number
Apr 01 12:01:59 <ptl> crs: but the Extras page on wiki mentions Extras-devel and Extras-testing, that's why
Apr 01 12:02:07 <fabinader> X-Fade:  I got it ;)
Apr 01 12:02:10 <nidO> right, timeless_mbp: no sim card in atall, global firmware, device lock, dialling 999 prompts for an emergency call
Apr 01 12:02:18 <crs> ptl: Oh yes, you are right!
Apr 01 12:02:19 <timeless_mbp> this can be determined by entering e.g. 112. 911. or 999 into the pin dialog
Apr 01 12:02:21 <nidO> so the global firmware natively sees it fine on my device
Apr 01 12:02:24 <timeless_mbp> nidO: hrm
Apr 01 12:02:36 <fabinader> X-Fade: actually, my reason for coming here is actually failing installing the USB support for maemo-pc-conenctivity
Apr 01 12:03:03 <brik> my UK n900 recognises 999 as an emergency number with a uk sim, with a norwegian sim it recognises 999 and 112
Apr 01 12:03:23 <timeless_mbp> brik: 112 is per gsm, so it has to work anywhere
Apr 01 12:03:28 <fabinader> X-Fade: Bluetooth and Wi-Fi is OK, but I need it working through USB as I'm developing changes in the Wi-Fi and 3G interfaces for which connecting through USB would help a lot...
Apr 01 12:03:40 <timeless_mbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_telephone_number
Apr 01 12:03:58 <brik> timeless_mbp: with the UK sim it didn't show the emergency call option with 112
Apr 01 12:04:06 <fabinader> X-Fade: during installation, a message of failure appeared rapidly during installation, but then the application succeeded installing...
Apr 01 12:04:31 <crs> Hmm, got that error while running upgrade: http://wklej.org/id/307819/ -- Does it say anything to you ptl_wants_PR12 or X-Fade?
Apr 01 12:04:32 <timeless_mbp> brik: wow
Apr 01 12:05:05 <ptl_wants_PR12> no... it doesn't
Apr 01 12:05:20 <Stskeeps> brik: trying to report w00t to the authorities?
Apr 01 12:05:31 <brik> Stskeeps: yes, he stole my cookies
Apr 01 12:05:51 <nidO> brik: does here fine
Apr 01 12:06:17 <Arif_> oo
Apr 01 12:06:21 <nidO> on my global firmware I get emergency call options for both 112 and 999 at both the pin code request and device lock, with or without a sim card
Apr 01 12:06:23 <Arif_> an orange !
Apr 01 12:06:33 <w00t_> might be related to us using three, perhaps
Apr 01 12:06:39 <brik> ya
Apr 01 12:06:40 <Arif_> aww
Apr 01 12:06:46 <Arif_> mbarcode is updated
Apr 01 12:07:45 <Stskeeps> 'lo achipa, congrats :)
Apr 01 12:07:49 <C-S-B-N900> mbarcode is great, but if you open the lens cover, you get an error as the camera app tries to load.
Apr 01 12:08:20 <achipa> 'lo, thx
Apr 01 12:08:24 <timeless_mbp> nidO: … still confused, because i'm not getting it here….
Apr 01 12:08:31 <timeless_mbp> i suppose it's possible my sim is disabling 999
Apr 01 12:08:35 <timeless_mbp> but that seems unlikely
Apr 01 12:08:48 <nidO> you're not getting it at the device lock with no sim in?
Apr 01 12:09:19 <crs> where are downloaded packages kept by apt?
Apr 01 12:09:25 <crs> Need to free some space on /
Apr 01 12:10:26 <tuxer> crs: run "apt-get clean" as root to remove downloaded packages
Apr 01 12:10:32 * timeless_mbp sets device lock code and tries to turn on device w/o sim
Apr 01 12:10:57 <crs> tuxer: thanks, but I have found them in /var/cache/apt/archives
Apr 01 12:11:24 <tuxer> ok
Apr 01 12:11:48 <crs> tuxer: Need to remember clean action. Seems to be the right way to do it.
Apr 01 12:12:14 <MohammadAG> crs or just move the folder into /opt and symlink it
Apr 01 12:12:26 <timeless_mbp> ok
Apr 01 12:12:26 <MohammadAG> my archives folder is about 200MBs
Apr 01 12:12:30 <timeless_mbp> w/o a sim, 999 works
Apr 01 12:12:52 <nidO> its only with a sim it doesnt? at the device lock, or pin code request?
Apr 01 12:13:09 <Arif_> your sim doesn't like Brittons ? :(
Apr 01 12:13:40 <timeless_mbp> ok, so the guy next to me is explaining that essentially the sim suppresses 999's default
Apr 01 12:13:44 <timeless_mbp> unless the sim specifies it
Apr 01 12:13:50 * timeless_mbp shrugs
Apr 01 12:13:51 <crs> http://wklej.org/id/307827/ -- why doesn't it work?
Apr 01 12:13:53 <nidO> yeah, at the pin code request
Apr 01 12:13:55 <nidO> it's up to the sim
Apr 01 12:13:57 <nidO> not the phone
Apr 01 12:14:09 <nidO> device lock is all phone though
Apr 01 12:18:55 <timeless_mbp> ok, so, way too complicated
Apr 01 12:19:13 <timeless_mbp> anyway, i think that the proper test is nidO's device w/ a non uk sim
Apr 01 12:19:31 <nidO> heh
Apr 01 12:19:36 <nidO> anyone got one close to norwich? \o/
Apr 01 12:20:06 <noobmonk3y> my mates australian sim worked in my n900 a few weeks ago :D
Apr 01 12:20:12 <noobmonk3y> but didnt test 999 :P
Apr 01 12:20:23 <timeless_mbp> yeah, please don't go calling it :)
Apr 01 12:20:37 <Stskeeps> or at least, cause an accident before you do
Apr 01 12:20:37 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 01 12:20:39 <timeless_mbp> i'm just trying to clarify why the uk variant exists
Apr 01 12:20:51 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: or that
Apr 01 12:20:51 <noobmonk3y> timeless, variants ....
Apr 01 12:21:06 <noobmonk3y> timeless,  well the generic is now in line with worldwide - just waiting on the voda one.....
Apr 01 12:21:11 <nidO> id say it's not down to the emergency calls, because the only place the phone has control over that is the device lock
Apr 01 12:21:13 <timeless_mbp> noobmonk3y: people have been asking what the uk generic variant does
Apr 01 12:21:16 <nidO> which allows 999 everywhere
Apr 01 12:21:25 <noobmonk3y> ahhhh - well it could be a reserve variant?
Apr 01 12:21:27 <nidO> pin code request is up to the sim, so is sim not firmware dependant
Apr 01 12:21:35 <noobmonk3y> ie in the future give it to 02 or something,
Apr 01 12:21:42 <noobmonk3y> doubt it tho
Apr 01 12:21:45 <nidO> they cant do that
Apr 01 12:21:51 <noobmonk3y> or... we have different rules/reg's
Apr 01 12:21:56 <timeless_mbp> nidO: *shrug*
Apr 01 12:22:00 <nidO> because then everyone with generic simfree phones would end up with o2 firmwares when they next update
Apr 01 12:22:02 <noobmonk3y> like the fm transmitter etc
Apr 01 12:22:07 <noobmonk3y> gd point nid0
Apr 01 12:22:15 <nidO> fmtx law is the same throughout europe
Apr 01 12:22:20 <frosty`> is anyone succesfully using a BT headset with their n900?
Apr 01 12:22:38 <nidO> the bt kit in my car mostly works fine
Apr 01 12:22:43 <noobmonk3y> right off for lunch :D
Apr 01 12:22:48 <frosty`> nidO: mostly?
Apr 01 12:22:49 <nidO> it doesnt transfer calls ringing properly though
Apr 01 12:22:54 <noobmonk3y> and yes my tom tom works - via bt - but not really a headset
Apr 01 12:23:00 <nidO> dialling numbers phone, actual phone calls fine
Apr 01 12:23:03 <timeless_mbp> there was no sign of the fmtx nonsense in the document we reviewed
Apr 01 12:23:08 <frosty`> nidO: was reading https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6766
Apr 01 12:23:09 <povbot> Bug 6766: Bluetooth Audio Very Choppy and Stuttering
Apr 01 12:23:22 <nidO> but when someone calls me, the incoming call shows up on my dash, the music on my stereo pauses, but the phone itself rings
Apr 01 12:23:28 <nidO> the ringer doesnt come through the stereo
Apr 01 12:23:33 <nidO> but then answering the call is fine
Apr 01 12:23:38 <frosty`> hmm
Apr 01 12:23:44 <nidO> ringer not being fully transferred to stereo is the only fault with mine
Apr 01 12:25:04 * Arif_ just played around with system fonts
Apr 01 12:25:11 * Arif_ hopes the N900 won't explode
Apr 01 12:25:27 <timeless_mbp> Arif_: we've been using droid fonts for most things for a while
Apr 01 12:25:30 * timeless_mbp is quite happy w/ them
Apr 01 12:25:33 <hrw> terminus for terminal roxx
Apr 01 12:25:41 <Arif_> I just increased the font size ;P
Apr 01 12:28:35 <Arif_> woo
Apr 01 12:28:41 <Arif_> I can actually read halfthe OS now...
Apr 01 12:30:17 <timeless_mbp> you sure you want to do that? :)
Apr 01 12:30:23 <timeless_mbp> you might not like what you see ;-)
Apr 01 12:30:57 <Arif_> I do
Apr 01 12:31:00 <Arif_> since I can actually see it now
Apr 01 12:31:01 <Arif_> ;P
Apr 01 12:32:01 <tony2610> !list
Apr 01 12:32:06 <timeless_mbp> !die
Apr 01 12:32:14 <timeless_mbp> !kill tony2610
Apr 01 12:32:38 <Arif_> /msg timeless_mbp xdcc-get 42
Apr 01 12:32:46 * Arif_ runs
Apr 01 12:32:46 <tony2610> ciao a tti
Apr 01 12:33:58 <Arif_> timeless_mbp, 999 is blocked for emergency calls on my pin screen too!
Apr 01 12:34:26 <nidO> you're a foreigner
Apr 01 12:34:32 <Arif_> I am
Apr 01 12:34:40 <nidO> youe sim probably doesnt have 999 coded in, same as timeless_mbp
Apr 01 12:35:02 <Arif_> TMobile NL doesn't like Brittons either :D
Apr 01 12:35:40 <crs> OK, updated
Apr 01 12:35:42 <crs> Nokia-N900-42-11:~#
Apr 01 12:35:45 <crs> Now I have
Apr 01 12:36:01 <Arif_> heh
Apr 01 12:36:04 <crs> still the same
Apr 01 12:36:06 <crs> prompt
Apr 01 12:36:09 <Arif_> what does it say in Menu>Settings>About product
Apr 01 12:36:13 <timeless_mbp> ok, so my understanding is mostly correct, good
Apr 01 12:36:30 <zap> Anybody knows why this error happens on a N810:
Apr 01 12:36:32 <zap> wao: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org diablo Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG E40DC434616730BD maemo.org Extras repositories (Fremantle Extras) <repositories@maemo.org>
Apr 01 12:36:32 <crs> Hmm
Apr 01 12:36:35 <nidO> so yea, firmware variants dont have emergency number differences, thats just down to the sim :P
Apr 01 12:36:47 <crs> I think it did fucked up something (sorry for word)
Apr 01 12:36:48 <timeless_mbp> nidO: no, believe me, they do
Apr 01 12:36:55 <nidO> er?
Apr 01 12:36:59 <timeless_mbp> if Arif_ wanted to, Arif_ could flash w/ the uk variant
Apr 01 12:37:07 <timeless_mbp> and then try 999, and it should offer emergency call
Apr 01 12:37:16 <nidO> Arif, go try that
Apr 01 12:37:23 <timeless_mbp> a huge waste of time just to prove a point, but Arif_ is welcome to do it :)
Apr 01 12:37:28 <MohammadAG> hmm you can change the interval at which the n900 checks for update
Apr 01 12:37:29 <nidO> and make sure you try it at the sim's pin code request, *not* the device lock
Apr 01 12:37:31 <Arif_> hell no
Apr 01 12:37:31 <adisbladis> zap: I had that when i enabled extras-devel...
Apr 01 12:37:34 <Arif_> =P
Apr 01 12:37:48 <nidO> tell you what
Apr 01 12:38:00 <Arif_> it'll probably say colour instead of color
Apr 01 12:38:00 <nidO> tmobile nl probably offer free payg sims right?
Apr 01 12:38:01 <zap> adisbladis: aha, so it seems it's nokia's fault
Apr 01 12:38:01 <Arif_> or whatever
Apr 01 12:38:07 <nidO> get one, send it to me, and ill try it in my phone
Apr 01 12:38:11 <crs> Hm, phone is unusable now I am afraid ;/
Apr 01 12:38:16 <crs> I can ssh to it
Apr 01 12:38:17 <Arif_> no, but Voda NL does
Apr 01 12:38:17 <nidO> if it doesnt offer 999, we know for a fact theres no difference in firmware
Apr 01 12:38:24 <nidO> and its down to the sim
Apr 01 12:39:00 <Arif_> why don't you send me your N900 instead
Apr 01 12:39:01 <Arif_> ;D
Apr 01 12:39:10 <nidO> becau...no.
Apr 01 12:39:19 <Arif_> hehe
Apr 01 12:39:34 <haltdef> new data plan required ��
Apr 01 12:39:45 <Arif_> 500MB a month isn't enough for you?
Apr 01 12:39:48 <Arif_> :<
Apr 01 12:39:51 <haltdef> 150MB for 3 months used to be more than enough on my WM phone, not so much with n900
Apr 01 12:40:00 <Arif_> haha
Apr 01 12:40:06 <Arif_> I use more than that daily
Apr 01 12:40:10 <nidO> fact remains though, that global variant offers 999 at the sim pin request with a uk sim, and at the device lock with either a uk sim or no sim atall]
Apr 01 12:40:17 <haltdef> tis ok though, �5 for an unlimited data addon
Apr 01 12:40:33 <nidO> and im reasonably positive that the numbers available at the sim pin request are entirely down to the sim, and nothing to do with the phone's firmware
Apr 01 12:40:42 <Arif_> I pay 15 for “unlimited”
Apr 01 12:40:53 <X-Fade> zap: better now?
Apr 01 12:40:57 <haltdef> this is payg
Apr 01 12:41:18 <timeless_mbp> nidO: you really should trust me
Apr 01 12:41:23 <timeless_mbp> i'm sitting w/ a guy who creates variants for a living
Apr 01 12:41:37 <Arif_> we don’t have unlimited data on payg in .nl
Apr 01 12:41:39 <Arif_> :(
Apr 01 12:41:43 <timeless_mbp> (or at least deals w/ them and operators, his neighbor does most of the creation)
Apr 01 12:41:45 <haltdef> "unlimited"
Apr 01 12:41:52 <haltdef> I'd be surprised if they let me near 2GB :P
Apr 01 12:41:52 <nidO> okay, so ask him why the global firmware variant would accept 999 at the device lock code, but not the pin code request with non uk simcards
Apr 01 12:42:18 <Arif_> haltdef, my current unlimited=1024/384 and after 2GB it’s 384/64
Apr 01 12:42:28 <haltdef> bit slow
Apr 01 12:42:33 <crs> Arif_: Still the same, 2.2009.51 ;/
Apr 01 12:42:35 <nidO> the fact remains that at the pin code request, the emergency numbers availabe have nothing to do with the phone firmware, and everything to do with the sim
Apr 01 12:42:46 <Arif_> Vodafeun has 3.6Mb
Apr 01 12:42:46 <haltdef> I've seen 1.5/1.3 out of hsdpa, painful at peak times though
Apr 01 12:42:50 <haltdef> barely hit 200k
Apr 01 12:42:52 <Arif_> but they have a hard limit at 250MB
Apr 01 12:42:55 <nidO> thats just a fact, because it's the sim that needs to be unlocked to allow the call to get through. the phone cant bypass that, it's down to the sim
Apr 01 12:43:24 <crs> How do I update it?
Apr 01 12:43:30 <Arif_> flash manually?
Apr 01 12:43:43 <Arif_> or don’t bother and wait for the new fw
Apr 01 12:43:52 <crs> fw?
Apr 01 12:43:57 <Arif_> firmware
Apr 01 12:44:03 <timeless_mbp> nidO: right now w/ a sim, i can only use 112/911 in the device lock for emergency call
Apr 01 12:44:17 <crs> I was told there already is newer available then what I have installed.
Apr 01 12:44:27 <Arif_> there is
Apr 01 12:44:27 <nidO> well theres something odd going on then, because mine allows 999 with or without a sim
Apr 01 12:44:32 <Arif_> but its not really worth messing
Apr 01 12:45:02 <timeless_mbp> nidO: if you're in UK, try turning your phone to offline mode? :)
Apr 01 12:45:07 <timeless_mbp> and then rebooting and leaving it offline
Apr 01 12:45:08 <crs> Arif_: Where can I find changelog or something?
Apr 01 12:45:14 <timeless_mbp> because the network can tell you about emergency numbers too :)
Apr 01 12:45:19 <Arif_> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1.1
Apr 01 12:45:54 <timeless_mbp> which i guess makes the 999 stuff only useful for the brit who takes his n900 to the USA and buys a US sim and wants to use 999
Apr 01 12:46:50 <nidO> does 999 even work in the states?
Apr 01 12:47:14 <timeless_mbp> w/ emergency numbers, the theory is that they're converted to a number which *does* work
Apr 01 12:47:29 <timeless_mbp> or perhaps a "signal" since calling it a number is probably too confusing :)
Apr 01 12:48:14 <RST38h> Ah, a new Maemo Mapper!
Apr 01 12:48:17 <Stskeeps> morning iii
Apr 01 12:48:33 <RST38h> Shit, cannot update: Extras-Devel has now been broken.
Apr 01 12:48:36 <III> gm Stskeeps
Apr 01 12:48:48 <mgedmin> RST38h, enhanced with PR 1.2 SDK
Apr 01 12:48:57 <mgedmin> for your Scratchbox-testing convenience
Apr 01 12:49:00 * RST38h thanks the Tentacled One he has managed to slip his packages before XFade broke the repo
Apr 01 12:49:14 <mgedmin> because people who have Scratchboxes to test new software don't know how to build software in their own scratchboxes, apparently
Apr 01 12:49:19 <mgedmin> what, me bitter?  why do you think so?
Apr 01 12:49:28 <crs> Arif_: I think I still want to upgrade it. Why I cant just do it?
Apr 01 12:49:38 <RST38h> mgedmin: Remind me: why am I not feeling thankful? =)
Apr 01 12:49:43 <Arif_> you can flash it manually if you really want
Apr 01 12:49:48 <Arif_> you lose all your data though
Apr 01 12:50:17 <RST38h> mgedmin: On the other hand, I can probably upload binary packages to non-free just fine, as long as I do not upgrade the SDK
Apr 01 12:50:18 <crs> Nope, unaccepable for me. ;/
Apr 01 12:50:41 <crs> Hmm, but why I just update it like the others?
Apr 01 12:50:52 <Arif_> you probably broke something :D
Apr 01 12:51:03 <crs> ;/
Apr 01 12:51:54 <crs> What osso is?
Apr 01 12:53:11 <timeless_mbp> crs: a long dead entity
Apr 01 12:53:15 <timeless_mbp> it was replaced by ngsw
Apr 01 12:53:20 <timeless_mbp> which was replaced by maemo devices
Apr 01 12:53:25 <timeless_mbp> which was replaced by meego devices
Apr 01 12:53:32 <timeless_mbp> unless i missed a replacement or two or three
Apr 01 12:53:34 <Cazou> Hey, I can't get network working in scratchbox :s
Apr 01 12:53:36 <timeless_mbp> it's hard to keep track :)
Apr 01 12:53:43 <timeless_mbp> Cazou: "ask google"
Apr 01 12:54:10 <RST38h> Cazou: Use MaemoSDK+
Apr 01 12:54:35 <crs> timeless_mbp: Ok, thanks :)
Apr 01 12:54:45 <Cazou> RST38h: that's what I'm using :)
Apr 01 12:54:51 <crs> Still trying to figure out why updates are not working for me ;/
Apr 01 12:55:41 <Arif_> blame nokia
Apr 01 12:55:50 <crs> which firmware should I update? There are few while apt-cache search firmware was executed
Apr 01 12:56:00 <timeless_mbp> crs: there's a wiki.maemo.org article that should explain how to debug
Apr 01 12:56:09 <timeless_mbp> all of your questions should be covered by that wiki
Apr 01 12:56:24 <crs> http://wklej.org/id/307819/
Apr 01 12:56:30 <crs> this is an error I got previously
Apr 01 12:57:35 <achipa> a palindrome
Apr 01 12:57:47 <achipa> oops, wrong window
Apr 01 12:57:57 <Arif_> heh
Apr 01 13:03:50 <crs> OK, have forced firmware to reinstall - lets see
Apr 01 13:05:36 <FIQ> i maybe should inform you that eboys has an autojoin ad script
Apr 01 13:06:11 <hrw> crs:  are you from Poland?
Apr 01 13:06:27 <Arif_> FIQ, who? what?
Apr 01 13:06:28 <X-Fade> FIQ: I'd like it if you didn't.
Apr 01 13:06:43 <FIQ> ok, sure
Apr 01 13:06:53 <crs> Hmm. Still nothing. ;/
Apr 01 13:07:06 <crs> X-Fade: Maybe you will know. Why I cant update to newer firmware?
Apr 01 13:07:50 <X-Fade> crs: All kinds of reasons really.
Apr 01 13:08:22 <crs> X-Fade: I have ran apt-get: update, upgrade and dist-upgrade - still on 02.2009
Apr 01 13:09:17 <X-Fade> crs: You should use the application manager for one.
Apr 01 13:09:33 <timeless_mbp> hrm, address book crashed :(
Apr 01 13:10:28 <crs> X-Fade: app manager says that there is no updates available
Apr 01 13:10:44 <X-Fade> crs: Then it must be right.
Apr 01 13:10:55 <mgedmin> the app manager is very conservative
Apr 01 13:11:08 <mgedmin> if there's anything broken or non-standard about your system, it will hide firmware upgrades
Apr 01 13:11:16 <mgedmin> because it would suck if those failed and your n900 became unbootable
Apr 01 13:11:36 <mgedmin> I was unable to upgrade to PR 1.1 because I had procps installed, which removed the standard busybox-procps package
Apr 01 13:11:43 <mgedmin> (I think that was the reason)
Apr 01 13:12:12 <X-Fade> mgedmin: real readon is that that unstalled the meta package.
Apr 01 13:12:18 <X-Fade> *reason
Apr 01 13:12:20 <mgedmin> could be, X-Fade
Apr 01 13:12:24 <mgedmin> but I doubt it
Apr 01 13:12:31 <mgedmin> IIRC there was no metapackage in PR 1.0
Apr 01 13:12:35 <X-Fade> No, as that has strict dependencies.
Apr 01 13:12:41 <X-Fade> Sure there is.
Apr 01 13:12:52 <mgedmin> I remember being pleasantly surprised when apt-get install procps only removed one single package (busybox-procps-links)
Apr 01 13:13:36 <mgedmin> busybox-symlinks-procps is the real name
Apr 01 13:13:59 <mgedmin> I think it was PR 1.0.1 that introduced a mp-fremantle-generic-pr metapackage
Apr 01 13:14:49 <mgedmin> and yeah, the version that wasn't offered to me was PR 1.0.1
Apr 01 13:27:07 <crs> X-Fade: So what should I do now?
Apr 01 13:27:35 <crs> Because it will never update my firmware now as far as I understand
Apr 01 13:28:35 <lcuk> crs
Apr 01 13:28:53 <lcuk> if you spent more than 2 days trying to flash something just because then you have more time than i
Apr 01 13:29:04 <lcuk> is there a reason you NEED to upgrade?
Apr 01 13:30:14 <crs> nope
Apr 01 13:30:32 <crs> But with 1.2 there will be few nice things and I will like to have it.
Apr 01 13:30:55 <lcuk> well since 1.2 has not been released yet..
Apr 01 13:31:10 <lcuk> no amount of badgering and annoying x-fade will get it installed
Apr 01 13:31:33 <SpeedEvil> annoying. camera is broken.
Apr 01 13:31:41 <SpeedEvil> software-wise
Apr 01 13:31:42 <crs> in 1.2?
Apr 01 13:31:44 * lcuk cant wait for pr1.2 either
Apr 01 13:31:58 <MiXu-> I can't either
Apr 01 13:32:07 <FIQ> i can
Apr 01 13:32:19 * Arif_ can too
Apr 01 13:32:29 <FIQ> (just wanted to answer different :) )
Apr 01 13:32:51 <crs> FIQ: So you cant upgrade firmware either?
Apr 01 13:33:06 <Arif_> PR1.2 will only fix 4 bugs anyway
Apr 01 13:33:08 * RST38h passes lcuk a pr1.2
Apr 01 13:33:12 <Arif_> why’s everyone being so excited
Apr 01 13:33:14 <RST38h> Arif: Which are?
Apr 01 13:33:27 <Arif_> how should I know
Apr 01 13:33:35 <Arif_> but %90 of Nokia firmwares are like that
Apr 01 13:33:37 * lcuk looks at RST38h's pr1.2 and compares it to his own
Apr 01 13:34:04 <lcuk> theres ~ 600 public bugs fixed isnt there?
Apr 01 13:34:56 <lcuk> oops too many - 323 atm
Apr 01 13:35:01 <RST38h> lcuk: what does diff say?
Apr 01 13:35:10 <Arif_> you sure 300 of those aren’t wontfix or harnmattan?
Apr 01 13:35:14 <Arif_> =P
Apr 01 13:35:18 <RST38h> Arif: Why are you even saying it then?
Apr 01 13:36:06 * Arif_ is just trying to say that nothing remotely exciting will happen in pr1.2....
Apr 01 13:36:09 <lcuk> Arif_, go and check them yourself http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=568334&postcount=253
Apr 01 13:36:28 <andre__> Arif_, maybe check Bugzilla before writing BS? ;-) "FIXED" resolution is clearly something different than "WONTFIX" resolution...
Apr 01 13:37:12 <andre__> the kitchensink feature is still leaking so it's not included in PR1.2, so yeah, nothing exciting, true...
Apr 01 13:37:25 <Arif_> andre__, to be serious..Nokia does a better job than most mobile phone companies put togehter =}
Apr 01 13:37:45 <crs> Is there opera mini (or mobile - cant remember how is it called) for n900?
Apr 01 13:37:54 <MohammadAG> no
Apr 01 13:37:57 <andre__> Arif_, hmm, can't compare myself... didn't have to deal much before with mobile phones...
Apr 01 13:38:09 <MohammadAG> crs, honestly why do you need it
Apr 01 13:38:19 <andre__> I think you can get Opera Mini to run after getting Java on it. A friend of mine managed to do that a few weeks ago on the N900 IIRC.
Apr 01 13:38:24 <Arif_> the likes of Samsung, LG, and SE bring out half working firmware and never fix it :D
Apr 01 13:38:35 <crs> MohammadAG: Just asking, 'Back' option is quite slow on defaulolt one
Apr 01 13:38:40 <Arif_> but most people are expecting Flash 10, MMS, portrait in PR1.2
Apr 01 13:38:43 <andre__> Arif_, but where is the difference to Nokia? ;-)) (jk)
Apr 01 13:38:44 <hrw> crs: nope
Apr 01 13:38:44 <Arif_> and that won’t happen :(
Apr 01 13:38:54 <MohammadAG> crs, install shortcutd and set the back button to the camera key
Apr 01 13:38:58 <hrw> MohammadAG: faster browsing?
Apr 01 13:39:03 <Arif_> andre__, Nokia fixes 4 bugs, other companies fix them in a new device :P
Apr 01 13:39:08 <dneary> Hi
Apr 01 13:39:13 <dneary> Any Nokiates here? http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/library.maemo.nokia.com
Apr 01 13:39:17 <hrw> hi dneary
Apr 01 13:39:18 <MohammadAG> hrw, microB is fast
Apr 01 13:39:27 <dneary> Hi hrw
Apr 01 13:39:31 <andre__> Arif_, sorry, but it's definitely more than 300 *public* bugs, plus a large internal number of bugs... :)
Apr 01 13:39:37 <MohammadAG> opera mini might look faster cause rendering is done on their servers
Apr 01 13:39:44 <hrw> MohammadAG: and do lot of chessboard display if more then one app is running
Apr 01 13:39:59 <Arif_> that 4 is just trolling =}
Apr 01 13:40:12 <crs> anyone uses Midori?
Apr 01 13:40:13 <MohammadAG> hrw, depends on the app running
Apr 01 13:40:36 <MohammadAG> tried tear
Apr 01 13:40:46 <hrw> MohammadAG: 256MB ram is probably limiting anyway
Apr 01 13:40:52 <MohammadAG> it works well, but the icon in the menu crashes hildon-desktop
Apr 01 13:41:07 <MohammadAG> hrw, it's good enough for me :)
Apr 01 13:41:08 <andre__> dneary, was that expected to be online at all?
Apr 01 13:41:49 * MohammadAG wonders if the N950 will have 1GB RAM
Apr 01 13:42:21 <hrw> MohammadAG: probably ust 512MB - omap3 by default uses pop modules and I did not heard about 1GB ones
Apr 01 13:43:04 <MohammadAG> the "N950" is using the OMAP3?
Apr 01 13:44:44 <timeless_mbp> dneary: my PoP (dallas?) doesn't think it's alive :)
Apr 01 13:46:05 <crs> And another important question. Is there an easy way to update facebooks statuses?
Apr 01 13:46:08 <bigbrovar> Hi guys I just got me a new N900 and I was wondering how long I am suppose to chat it before starting to use it? and do I charge on or off..
Apr 01 13:46:11 <VDVsx> MohammadAG, April foul ? :D
Apr 01 13:46:27 <Arif_> chat?
Apr 01 13:46:41 <MohammadAG> VDVsx, err? :p
Apr 01 13:46:59 <dneary> andre__, It's been online for a long time, hasn't it?
Apr 01 13:47:21 <andre__> honestly, I don't know...
Apr 01 13:47:52 <MohammadAG> VDVsx, did I say something I forgot about? :)
Apr 01 13:48:00 <andre__> dneary, at least google gives zero results for "site:library.maemo.nokia.com nokia"
Apr 01 13:48:17 <VDVsx> MohammadAG, N950 (I didn't read the all chat)
Apr 01 13:48:23 * MohammadAG hates how sony removed OtherOS (linux) support from the PS3
Apr 01 13:48:35 <Arif_> people used that?
Apr 01 13:48:41 <RST38h> What's PS3?
Apr 01 13:48:53 <MohammadAG> VDVsx, ah, I could've said next Maemo device, but I found the N950 shorter to type
Apr 01 13:49:03 <MohammadAG> RST38h, PlayStation 3?
Apr 01 13:49:31 <MohammadAG> Arif_, yes they did :)
Apr 01 13:49:49 <Arif_> it’d be interesting if you had access to the GPU
Apr 01 13:49:50 <dneary> andre__, Funny... the link has worked in the past, I believe
Apr 01 13:49:51 * MohammadAG bypasses the update, take that!
Apr 01 13:50:23 <bigbrovar> Hi guys I just got me a new N900 and I was wondering how long I am suppose to charge* it before starting to use it? and do I charge on or off..
Apr 01 13:50:29 <MohammadAG> Arif_, let's just say i might not be allowed to talk about that
Apr 01 13:50:39 <rmrfchik> wtf... maepad: Depends: libhildon1 (>= 2.2.10) but 2.2.3-1+0m5 is to be installed
Apr 01 13:50:44 <timeless_mbp> dneary: Cannot access the Web site.
Apr 01 13:50:50 <sECuRE> i am having trouble getting the SDK to run. i want to develop a simple application accessing the phone book on my n900. the installation of the sdk on debian did work, but maemo-sdk start gui does not show any contents. so i downloaded the VM image with the ubuntu system, but there is no maemo-sdk there. how do i run the emulator inside the vm? am i supposed to install it?
Apr 01 13:50:56 <MohammadAG> rmrfchik, PR1.2 autobuilder
Apr 01 13:50:57 <Arif_> MohammadAG, leethax ? ;p
Apr 01 13:51:01 <rmrfchik> amagad
Apr 01 13:51:04 <RST38h> MohammadAG: Is it some game or somethin'? Like a Nintendo maybe?
Apr 01 13:51:09 * RST38h cackles evilly
Apr 01 13:51:20 <MohammadAG> RST38h, it's an 8 bit console
Apr 01 13:51:34 <Arif_> bigbrovar, it’s not a NiMH battery....so no need!
Apr 01 13:51:36 <RST38h> MohammadAG: cooooool!
Apr 01 13:51:58 <RST38h> MohammadAG: You know you can actually run Linux (well, Uzix) on an 8bit MSX. Will it do instead? =)
Apr 01 13:52:07 <uhsf> spammed on arrival into channel by eboys, it's been a while since the last time i had such an issue on freenode
Apr 01 13:52:30 <RST38h> rmrfchik: /msg X-Fade Please, switch autobuilder back to SDK compatible with what users have
Apr 01 13:52:42 <uhsf> so, what are the first impressions about meego on the n900?
Apr 01 13:52:42 <bigbrovar> Arif_: of really? so I can just start it and start to use? ok thanks
Apr 01 13:53:02 <RST38h> rmrfchik: I guess filing a Bugzilla tracker and getting 100+ people vote for it will also do the job
Apr 01 13:53:23 <MohammadAG> RST38h, yeah, does it output in HD?
Apr 01 13:53:48 <rmrfchik> so, this is not maepad bug, but repo?
Apr 01 13:54:16 <MohammadAG> rather an autobuilder one
Apr 01 13:54:25 <thresh> who needs PS3 with linux anyway
Apr 01 13:54:25 <MohammadAG> rmrfchik, it'll work when PR1.2 is released
Apr 01 13:54:29 <thresh> well I do, but still
Apr 01 13:54:39 <thresh> i'd rather enjoy my games than leenups on the device
Apr 01 13:54:54 <MohammadAG> thresh, well it might be the door to homebrew
Apr 01 13:54:59 <rmrfchik> users recieve unusable "application updated"
Apr 01 13:55:01 <thresh> homebrew what?
Apr 01 13:55:19 <MohammadAG> thresh, unsigned apps
Apr 01 13:55:30 <woglinde> jo
Apr 01 13:55:38 <thresh> MohammadAG: ah sure.
Apr 01 13:56:12 <MohammadAG> thresh, you don't seem to know about the exploit
Apr 01 13:56:33 <thresh> MohammadAG: No, I've read about it a month ago or so.
Apr 01 13:56:44 <thresh> The one that involved resoldering something :-)
Apr 01 14:01:32 <timeless_mbp> bigbrovar: you can charge while it's on or off
Apr 01 14:01:47 <C-S-B-N900> w
Apr 01 14:01:47 <C-S-B-N900> w
Apr 01 14:01:47 <C-S-B-N900> h
Apr 01 14:01:47 <C-S-B-N900> h
Apr 01 14:01:48 <C-S-B-N900> a
Apr 01 14:01:48 <C-S-B-N900> a
Apr 01 14:01:50 <C-S-B-N900> w
Apr 01 14:01:52 <C-S-B-N900> w
Apr 01 14:02:10 <rmrfchik>  /kick
Apr 01 14:02:18 <RST38h> Mohammed: Of course it outputs in brilliant 512x212 HD!
Apr 01 14:03:31 <C-S-B-N900> wtf happened there
Apr 01 14:03:51 <C-S-B-N900> i was type a letter and it was sent straight to channel.
Apr 01 14:04:07 <Arif_> lol
Apr 01 14:04:16 <RST38h> CSBN900: You have been naughty
Apr 01 14:04:36 <rmrfchik> you just dumped your password
Apr 01 14:04:51 <RST38h> and it is a bad password too
Apr 01 14:04:57 <rmrfchik> don't worry, it was masked as "*". irc do this for you
Apr 01 14:05:09 <C-S-B-N900> what password?
Apr 01 14:05:11 * Arif_ slaps rmrfchik with bash.org
Apr 01 14:05:22 <RST38h> remoo, vdvsx
Apr 01 14:05:29 <bigbrovar> timeless_mbp: thanks, this is my second N900 the first one had some battery issues that most people dont seem to have, so I am trying to do everything right this time :)
Apr 01 14:05:32 <rmrfchik> let's slap csb
Apr 01 14:05:32 <C-S-B-N900> lol
Apr 01 14:05:47 <C-S-B-N900> ok :(
Apr 01 14:05:59 <timeless_mbp> bigbrovar: you probably want it to have more than 'yellow' bar charge before reflashing, but otherwise...
Apr 01 14:06:00 <woglinde> can someone give me the pointer to good tutorial for diffrent kernel booting on n810?
Apr 01 14:06:17 * nidO yawns
Apr 01 14:08:00 * Arif_ hands nidO an N901
Apr 01 14:13:26 <ghostcube> ok i have still xchat problem to autocomplete nicks, how to do on maemo 5
Apr 01 14:14:16 <RST38h> Ctrl-Space or Shift-Space, I do not remember any more
Apr 01 14:14:54 <ghostcube> RST38h: shift + space thx :)
Apr 01 14:15:25 <Nukkuva> mutjoh
Apr 01 14:22:07 <SpeedEvil> I prefer  binding to shift-right
Apr 01 14:23:11 * RST38h isn't Jesus, can't satisfy everyone
Apr 01 14:25:07 <Arif_> hmm
Apr 01 14:25:14 <Arif_> no interesting pranks today
Apr 01 14:32:39 * noobmonk3y is back
Apr 01 14:33:20 * nidO is tired
Apr 01 14:33:41 <woglinde> got to sleep
Apr 01 14:33:46 <woglinde> go
Apr 01 14:33:48 <nidO> im very tempted
Apr 01 14:40:27 <timeless_mbp> Arif_: let me Topeka for interesting pranks
Apr 01 14:44:21 * Arif_ just ordered an Acekard 2i
Apr 01 14:46:42 <nidO> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8598637.stm
Apr 01 14:47:32 <Arif_> mh
Apr 01 14:47:39 <Arif_> allaboutsymbian has a similar article
Apr 01 14:54:53 <RST38h> wazd ehlo
Apr 01 14:55:05 <wazd> RST38h: heya
Apr 01 14:55:16 <RST38h> wazd: How are things?
Apr 01 14:55:54 <wazd> RST38h: well, not as good as they could be :)
Apr 01 14:57:40 <RST38h> wazd: More beer.
Apr 01 14:57:49 <RST38h> Or even MORE-BEER
Apr 01 14:57:56 <wazd> RST38h: moar hands :)
Apr 01 14:58:12 <Stskeeps> wazd: you can btw be proud Mer is currently, more functional than MeeGo ;)
Apr 01 14:58:43 <wazd> Stskeeps: let's hope that this will be changed later :D
Apr 01 14:58:49 <wazd> Stskeeps: hope and pray :D
Apr 01 14:59:02 <RST38h> wazd: hire some!
Apr 01 14:59:08 <Stskeeps> next UI: "you can dial via the xterm!"
Apr 01 14:59:30 <SpeedEvil> yeah. meego contributors are currently submitting patches to reduce mer functionality.
Apr 01 14:59:52 <Stskeeps> you're wrong, it's opposite ;)
Apr 01 15:00:27 <RST38h> Stskeeps: xterm should autostart LISP
Apr 01 15:00:35 <RST38h> Stskeeps: and implement all the UI in LISP
Apr 01 15:00:43 <Stskeeps> RST38h: there's no emacs in meego trunk
Apr 01 15:00:52 <Stskeeps> which is another source of useless religious discussion
Apr 01 15:00:52 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 01 15:01:08 <RST38h> as in (call 1 555 5555555)
Apr 01 15:01:27 <RST38h> Stskeeps: I do honestly hope that PICO is there though? =)~
Apr 01 15:01:36 <Stskeeps> RST38h: nano is there, so close enough
Apr 01 15:01:37 <SpeedEvil> xterm with mouse support is clearly a sane base for a termcap based ui.
Apr 01 15:01:44 <RST38h> Yea, NANO is ok
Apr 01 15:02:08 * RST38h considers what the best LISP interface for calling phones will look like
Apr 01 15:02:19 <RST38h> I guess it should be properly recursive
Apr 01 15:03:06 <RST38h> Like (call (1 555 (5551212) (5551213))) will call +1(555)5551212 and +1(555)5551213 in a sequence
Apr 01 15:03:32 <wazd> RST38h: how the meeting ended btw? That crazy waiter allowed you to leave? :D
Apr 01 15:03:58 <RST38h> wazd: has been pretty anticlimactic
Apr 01 15:04:14 <lcuk> RST38h, isnt lisp deeply parallel - would the function not initiate two calls?
Apr 01 15:04:19 <RST38h> wazd: Paid him shitload of cash and went in the general direction of the metro
Apr 01 15:04:31 <RST38h> lcuk: Not necessarily
Apr 01 15:04:51 <RST38h> lcuk: but you can always define (call-at-once ...)
Apr 01 15:05:10 <lcuk> sounds good (conference-call ...)
Apr 01 15:07:22 <RST38h> lcuk: (hangup (say (call ...) "Hello world"))
Apr 01 15:07:38 <TomaszD> moo
Apr 01 15:07:44 <RST38h> moo indeed
Apr 01 15:08:40 <RST38h> lcuk: (connect (say (call ...) "You have got a call") (say (call ...) "You too have got a call")
Apr 01 15:09:41 <noobmonk3y> woooooooops
Apr 01 15:10:06 <noobmonk3y> learning threading in pthong, just created 2.5 thousand excpetion error threads...
Apr 01 15:10:09 <Oli``> Is it possible to install the 3.2010.02-8.203.1 maemo 5 update over the air? I don't have a windows machine to use the software updater
Apr 01 15:10:11 <noobmonk3y> python*
Apr 01 15:10:31 <noobmonk3y> Oli``, yes... you need 45mb free in rootfs ish
Apr 01 15:10:42 * RST38h considers FORTH as Meego's UI
Apr 01 15:10:45 <Oli``> noobmonk3y: aha! cheers
Apr 01 15:11:05 <noobmonk3y> think i had about 52 to be safe
Apr 01 15:11:14 * Oli`` has to find 20megs somewhere
Apr 01 15:11:18 <RST38h> hangup "Hello world" say 15555551212 call
Apr 01 15:12:11 <noobmonk3y> Oli``, disable extras testing and devel - saves about 10
Apr 01 15:12:18 <noobmonk3y> install python-optify
Apr 01 15:12:31 <noobmonk3y> then apt-get clean and apt-get autoremove , then reboot
Apr 01 15:12:59 <Oli``> wowzers that sounds like a plan... I was just going to uninstal everything that came from extras-devel
Apr 01 15:13:11 <Oli``> what does python-optify actually do?
Apr 01 15:13:13 <noobmonk3y> lol my method takes about 2 mins ;)
Apr 01 15:13:19 <noobmonk3y> it optifies python hold on 2 mins
Apr 01 15:13:56 <red> Oli``: one trick is to disable extrasdevel and testing and reload the app manager
Apr 01 15:13:59 <red> then reboot the phone
Apr 01 15:14:05 <red> it frees up a nice chunk of rootfs alone
Apr 01 15:14:16 <Oli``> red: that's what noobmonk3y just said =)
Apr 01 15:14:22 <noobmonk3y> Oli``, http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space
Apr 01 15:14:33 <noobmonk3y> :D
Apr 01 15:14:50 <noobmonk3y> optify python is half way down
Apr 01 15:15:03 <Oli``> I'm glad the documentation has improved since the last PR update... there were tons of people running around like headless chickens trying to scrape back some free space
Apr 01 15:15:09 <noobmonk3y> ;)
Apr 01 15:20:00 <noobmonk3y> hmmmmmmmmm
Apr 01 15:20:18 <nidO> well, those headless chickens werent really down to documentation
Apr 01 15:20:48 <nidO> they were down to enabling -devel and installing unoptified apps without actually reading all the big fat warnings about doing so
Apr 01 15:23:04 <tripzero> bah, i want the N900 calander to sync up to google calendar... :|
Apr 01 15:23:24 <noobmonk3y> i want someone to tell me why threading in python is pants.......
Apr 01 15:23:49 <Arif_> python sux?
Apr 01 15:23:52 <noobmonk3y> meh
Apr 01 15:23:57 <tripzero> is threading in any language not pants?
Apr 01 15:24:14 <adisbladis> Erlang!
Apr 01 15:25:36 <noobmonk3y> no idea
Apr 01 15:30:01 <Oli``> Whoa. Disabled all the repos except the nokia update and I'm sitting pretty at 68megs free
Apr 01 15:30:15 <Arif_> what was it before?
Apr 01 15:30:21 <Oli``> 28
Apr 01 15:30:24 <Arif_> mh
Apr 01 15:30:26 <Arif_> same here
Apr 01 15:34:22 * Oli`` wonders if the next PR will introduce a package manager that can do more than one thing at once. Uninstall multiple things is so tedious
Apr 01 15:35:02 <Arif_> you can always hope :)
Apr 01 15:35:17 <Stskeeps> source should be out already, go check
Apr 01 15:35:30 <Arif_> doing a CTRL+A in the games category and pressing “install” would be nice
Apr 01 15:36:02 <SpeedEvil> root;rm -rf /
Apr 01 15:47:35 <nidO> ctrl + a then install in games....
Apr 01 15:47:46 <nidO> and spend an hour accepting "this content may be dodgy" warnings
Apr 01 15:54:30 <edheldil> noobmonk3y:  it's not multi(core/processor) capable. But it's usable
Apr 01 15:54:53 <edheldil> at least in CPython, other pythons don't have GIL
Apr 01 16:17:20 <Arif_> moo
Apr 01 16:18:29 <RichardP> are SIM card registration errors common on the N900?
Apr 01 16:19:27 <Arif_> never heard of one
Apr 01 16:20:46 <noobmonk3y> hi edheldil  - sorry was afk
Apr 01 16:20:53 <noobmonk3y> it can still run multi threads tho?
Apr 01 16:21:18 <edheldil> yes, just not at once (CPython)
Apr 01 16:22:03 <ShadowJK> python interpreter can't run more than one thread iirc?
Apr 01 16:22:06 <noobmonk3y> hmmm
Apr 01 16:22:11 <noobmonk3y> so no point in threads then?
Apr 01 16:22:15 <ShadowJK> one thread of interpreted code
Apr 01 16:22:37 <noobmonk3y> hmmm maybe i just need to figure out a loading bar instead
Apr 01 16:22:53 <nidO> whatre you trying to achieve?
Apr 01 16:23:08 <noobmonk3y> got a loop going through collecting every app/module on the device
Apr 01 16:23:12 <noobmonk3y> it takes about 2 mins :P
Apr 01 16:23:27 <edheldil> there's a reason for using threads in python, if your threads sleep enough
Apr 01 16:23:31 <noobmonk3y> wanted the app to do it without stalling the app
Apr 01 16:23:47 <edheldil> reading from device == sleeps a lot
Apr 01 16:23:48 <slonopotamus> RichardP: bad physical connection?
Apr 01 16:24:12 <slonopotamus> RichardP: with sim card, i mean
Apr 01 16:24:17 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, thats unfortunate
Apr 01 16:24:22 <noobmonk3y> true so overall it takes longer, but.... fills a list box sensibly and not slowing down the app?
Apr 01 16:24:25 <noobmonk3y> lcuk, ?
Apr 01 16:24:28 <ShadowJK> of I understand it correctly, once you call some function implementrd in native code, other threads can run on interpreter
Apr 01 16:24:35 <lcuk> how long it takes so far
Apr 01 16:24:42 <noobmonk3y> yeah :( - 3.5k apps/modules etc
Apr 01 16:24:56 <RichardP> slonopotamus: got a new N900 and Im getting a consistent 'SIM Card registration failed' error
Apr 01 16:25:10 <nidO> your sim card's probably fubar
Apr 01 16:25:13 <lcuk> well need to digest it into quickly identifiable stuff perhaps
Apr 01 16:25:14 <RichardP> slonopotamus: ive reseated the card
Apr 01 16:25:25 <GAN900> X-Fade, ping?
Apr 01 16:25:26 <lcuk> and the stuff that takes long time
Apr 01 16:25:39 <lcuk> concentrate on optimizing it with a proper modile api in native code
Apr 01 16:25:45 <lcuk> rather than all python
Apr 01 16:26:00 <lcuk> you could probably do it cleanly by replacing as apis come available
Apr 01 16:26:06 <edheldil> it means that threads compete over GIL, global interpreter lock. if a thread does not ask for it, it can run
Apr 01 16:26:14 <noobmonk3y> lcuk, are you speaking greek? hehe
Apr 01 16:26:20 * slonopotamus had to put a piece of paper between sim card holder and battery. had weird errors without that
Apr 01 16:27:06 <Arif_> order a new sim?
Apr 01 16:27:08 <Arif_> :)
Apr 01 16:27:22 <noobmonk3y> hmmm gil? interpreter locks? i have a lot to learn ;)
Apr 01 16:27:35 <slonopotamus> Arif_: sim works perfectly in all other phones i tried.
Apr 01 16:27:43 <lcuk> haha you arent a noobmonk3y for nothing :p
Apr 01 16:27:53 <lcuk> in a few months you can change your nick
Apr 01 16:27:56 <Arif_> have you tried a 2nd N900?
Apr 01 16:28:05 <lcuk> theuserformallyknownasnoobmonk3y
Apr 01 16:28:07 <nidO> sortofknowsabitmonkey
Apr 01 16:28:08 <edheldil> noobmonk3y: while your repo reading thread waits for another chunk of data to arrive from storage, it sleeps and lets your main (GUI) thread to run
Apr 01 16:28:14 <slonopotamus> Arif_: nope
Apr 01 16:28:44 <noobmonk3y> ahhh so import time and sleep(10)
Apr 01 16:29:16 <nidO> whats the chance of ionice working on the n900
Apr 01 16:29:22 <edheldil> nah, read() results in sleep by itself
Apr 01 16:29:24 <C-S-B-N900> ionice?
Apr 01 16:29:32 <Arif_> mm, ice
Apr 01 16:29:53 <nidO> ionice new to you C-S-B-N900?
Apr 01 16:30:00 <edheldil> also you could avoid threads completely and the files in a generator :-P
Apr 01 16:30:04 * Arif_ never heard of it :D
Apr 01 16:30:15 <edheldil> ... read the files ...
Apr 01 16:30:18 <noobmonk3y> meh sorry, dont understand :(
Apr 01 16:30:21 <C-S-B-N900> nidO: perhaps...
Apr 01 16:30:33 <nidO> http://linux.die.net/man/1/ionice
Apr 01 16:30:43 <noobmonk3y> my loop is f-         or file in os.listdir(dpkg_dir + '/info'):
Apr 01 16:30:55 <tripzero> heh
Apr 01 16:31:00 <noobmonk3y> ignore the f, lol - random f :P
Apr 01 16:31:08 <tripzero> if you need ionice on the n900, you may have other issues
Apr 01 16:31:47 <nidO> just running noobmonk3y's code through ionice -c3 would probably help a lot with the device's responsiveness while building that list :p
Apr 01 16:34:27 <Shapeshifter> Is there some way of figuring out which desktop widget has gone rampant when all widgets become unresponsive? It's been like this for 15 minutes now, can't use any desktop widgets. htop shows hildon-home to be maxing out at 100%.
Apr 01 16:34:49 <Shapeshifter> or if I cant just kill off the specific widget, how do I cleanly restart the desktop?
Apr 01 16:35:13 <nidO> shutdown -r now
Apr 01 16:35:18 <nidO> should work \o/
Apr 01 16:35:21 <Shapeshifter> yeah right.
Apr 01 16:35:54 <Shapeshifter> of course that doesn't make sense.
Apr 01 16:36:03 <Shapeshifter> How can I restart just the desktop?
Apr 01 16:36:47 <Shapeshifter> meh I just killed it
Apr 01 16:36:50 <Shapeshifter> it restarted on its own
Apr 01 16:37:20 <Shapeshifter> though now some widgets are missing
Apr 01 16:37:27 <Shapeshifter> ~_~
Apr 01 16:37:57 <Shapeshifter> that is some stupid architecture
Apr 01 16:46:59 <noobmonk3y> anyway, back to that read thingy
Apr 01 16:47:05 <noobmonk3y> so threads is not the way.....
Apr 01 16:47:21 <noobmonk3y> if i'm looping throug files...... as above.... what is the way?
Apr 01 16:48:32 <Shapeshifter> noobmonk3y: I just scrolled back, your problem is that you're doing some stuff that takes 2 minutes?
Apr 01 16:48:38 <noobmonk3y> yup
Apr 01 16:48:41 <Shapeshifter> and you want it to happen "in background"?
Apr 01 16:48:44 <noobmonk3y> yup :D
Apr 01 16:49:01 <noobmonk3y> ie i can see the list updating, but doesnt stop the user doing other things on the device
Apr 01 16:49:15 <noobmonk3y> at the mo, it waits till the end and dumps stuff into a list.....
Apr 01 16:49:22 <noobmonk3y> but after each check i add it to a listbox
Apr 01 16:49:45 <Shapeshifter> so you want stuff to be added to the list while the user does other things (in contrary to the user doing other things, but the list not fillin up)?
Apr 01 16:49:57 <Shapeshifter> other things in the same app, that is
Apr 01 16:50:18 <noobmonk3y> well... its healthcheck
Apr 01 16:50:23 <noobmonk3y> so they goto the apps list
Apr 01 16:50:27 <noobmonk3y> and click load apps....
Apr 01 16:50:35 <noobmonk3y> that should either show a loading window
Apr 01 16:50:43 <noobmonk3y> or load whilst they flip around other tabs really
Apr 01 16:50:49 <noobmonk3y> sitting there doing nothing is awful....
Apr 01 16:51:19 <Shapeshifter> what toolkit are you using?
Apr 01 16:51:20 <Shapeshifter> qt?
Apr 01 16:51:24 <noobmonk3y> yeah py qt
Apr 01 16:52:11 <Shapeshifter> you might wanna check out QThread
Apr 01 16:52:20 <Shapeshifter> QtCore.QThread.
Apr 01 16:52:25 <noobmonk3y> http://pastebin.com/EvYUwrZs
Apr 01 16:52:38 <noobmonk3y> hmmm tried using threads.... just no decent examples
Apr 01 16:52:48 <Shapeshifter> noobmonk3y: well, python threads or qt threads
Apr 01 16:52:54 <noobmonk3y> ahhh
Apr 01 16:52:57 <noobmonk3y> i was trying python ones
Apr 01 16:52:58 <Shapeshifter> because you'll need a qt thread if you want to do stuff properly with the gui
Apr 01 16:53:16 <Shapeshifter> http://dsnra.jpl.nasa.gov/software/Python/QtDesigner4/Threading,_Signals_and_Slots.html the part about threading
Apr 01 16:54:41 <Shapeshifter> http://www.commandprompt.com/community/pyqt/x3738 or here somewhere past the middle. There's quite a few tutorials out there and that should do a good job for what you need.
Apr 01 16:54:50 <noobmonk3y> cool will give it a go :)
Apr 01 16:54:51 <noobmonk3y> thankee
Apr 01 16:55:17 <Shapeshifter> np
Apr 01 16:55:31 * Arkenoi wonders how much free space will we need for pr1.2
Apr 01 16:55:43 <Shapeshifter> Arkenklo: too much probably ^^
Apr 01 16:57:14 <evilrob> I haven't been able to find any hints an an ovi maps update for maemo.  should I bother complaining or just shell out $$ for sygic?
Apr 01 16:57:29 <Arkenklo> wait what, Arkenoi wtf
Apr 01 16:57:31 <Shapeshifter> evilrob: it might never happen. if you need it now, pay.
Apr 01 16:57:54 <Arkenklo> Arkenoi: you better change nick punk
Apr 01 16:58:17 <Shapeshifter> Arkenklo: oh, sorry ^^
Apr 01 16:58:20 <Shapeshifter> xD
Apr 01 16:58:49 <evilrob> Shapeshifter: yeah...  that's what I figured.  Though once meego gets more complete, it's more likely to have a google maps completed for it (what with the intel involvement)
Apr 01 16:59:22 <red> aye, anyone know how I should fix broken dependencies?
Apr 01 16:59:33 <Arkenoi> Arkenklo, i am here longer than you so you change nick.
Apr 01 16:59:37 <red> have a couple updates pending, but they say im missing stuff like libqtcore
Apr 01 17:00:19 <red> apt-get shows "kehildon-initscripts, libkok, to mention a few
Apr 01 17:00:24 <Arkenklo> Arkenklo is my god damned last name
Apr 01 17:00:31 <red> kept back*
Apr 01 17:00:43 <Shapeshifter> red: that's because of the imminent PR1.2 release
Apr 01 17:00:48 <Pavlov> can anyone think of a reason why apt-get upgrade would show a package update but app manager wouldn't?
Apr 01 17:00:49 <red> oh
Apr 01 17:00:55 <Shapeshifter> red: (extras autobuilder now using pr1.2 already)
Apr 01 17:01:08 <red> so some packages are already updated but they aren't yet compatible with the current build
Apr 01 17:01:12 <ShadowJK> Pavlov: app manager only shows updates for stuff in user/
Apr 01 17:01:23 <Shapeshifter> red: yeah
Apr 01 17:01:27 <Pavlov> ShadowJK: hmm
Apr 01 17:01:33 <red> i've been using apt-get upgrade a few times so that might be the source of my problems
Apr 01 17:01:50 <Shapeshifter> red: nah everyone has these problems now.
Apr 01 17:01:53 <red> kk
Apr 01 17:02:02 <red> i'm using sambaclient and a few other things not in the base repo
Apr 01 17:02:35 <red> is there yet any changelog for the ucpoming pr 1.2?
Apr 01 17:02:56 <Shapeshifter> red: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2
Apr 01 17:02:59 * Arkenoi does not see too many people with last names as nick here, so who cares?
Apr 01 17:03:04 <Pavlov> ShadowJK: i'm pretty certain this is in user/
Apr 01 17:03:05 <MohammadAG> red, changes from the SDK and a list of bugs fixed
Apr 01 17:03:19 <ShadowJK> Pavlov, is it a library?
Apr 01 17:03:19 <|R> i keep doing apt-get upgrade too, though the backup works great so you can flash and restore very easily... (much more than trying to fit things that don't all over the place)
Apr 01 17:03:44 <red> i just find the app manager updating a bit annoying
Apr 01 17:03:59 <red> it tends to lock up keyboard at times and you have to wait a lot and its bit unresponsive too
Apr 01 17:04:12 <Pavlov> ShadowJK: it is in user/network
Apr 01 17:04:27 <|R> red: agreed :)
Apr 01 17:05:00 <Pavlov> we're trying to put out a 1.0.1 update to fennec, the versions are all right etc
Apr 01 17:05:13 <Pavlov> i've been having a lot of install problems since the last software update to maemo
Apr 01 17:09:53 <MohammadAG> Does the Wifi protected setup thing work?
Apr 01 17:10:37 <Pavlov> ShadowJK: do you know if there was something changed related to weird signing of repos/packages?
Apr 01 17:12:06 <ShadowJK> I don't really follow it, but I did see things about qt apps
Apr 01 17:12:24 <Pavlov> apt is always complaining about not knowing about the signature of our repo
Apr 01 17:13:32 <ShadowJK> Oh, is there a fennec in maemo.org repos as well as your own?
Apr 01 17:13:55 <ShadowJK> i think apt gives priority to extras over third party repos
Apr 01 17:14:07 <woglinde> hms
Apr 01 17:14:21 <woglinde> I only want to choose btw. diffrent kernels
Apr 01 17:14:24 <woglinde> not os
Apr 01 17:16:28 <ShadowJK> i guess disabling extras on device would help there :/
Apr 01 17:19:02 <uhsf> one thing that really sucks on the n900 is that usb power is not enough to recharge the battery when the screen is on
Apr 01 17:19:13 <giampy18>  Ola Amigos
Apr 01 17:20:23 <ior-_> i gpr probs with skype on my n900 :/
Apr 01 17:20:26 <ior-_> got
Apr 01 17:21:27 * tripzero wonders when the next firmware update will land...
Apr 01 17:21:28 <Pavlov> ShadowJK: there is a 1.0.0 that is in the ovi store repo, and i've got a 1.0.1 in another repo
Apr 01 17:21:46 <Pavlov> something is triggering it to not like installing
Apr 01 17:21:57 <Pavlov> if i use a .install file i get a fennec is already installed
Apr 01 17:22:08 <Pavlov> we're testing on a not-current-maemo device
Apr 01 17:22:46 <Pavlov> app manager doesn't generate logs anywhere does it?
Apr 01 17:23:31 <woglinde> use apt-get from the konsole
Apr 01 17:23:56 <Pavlov> apt-get works
Apr 01 17:24:01 <Pavlov> app manager does not :/
Apr 01 17:25:10 * Trizt misses portage
Apr 01 17:26:15 <Pavlov> wonder fi it works better if we get rid of our gpg signing
Apr 01 17:35:23 <ShadowJK> Pavlov, what if you disable the other repos?
Apr 01 17:35:30 <Pavlov> ShadowJK: let me check
Apr 01 17:36:39 <Arkenoi> which protocol plugins pack for contacts is recommended - "extras" one or "pidgin" one? given the set itself is satisfying in both cases, just implementation matters
Apr 01 17:48:25 <Arkenoi> fuck! seems that "extra" one does not correctly uninstall :-/
Apr 01 17:49:00 <Arkenoi> and it is exactly that one which does not work properly, for sure :-/
Apr 01 17:55:27 <GAN900> Pavlov, push it to a repo that isn't broken. :)
Apr 01 17:56:13 <Pavlov> GAN900: heh
Apr 01 17:56:18 <Pavlov> well, we need to test it first;p
Apr 01 17:58:37 <Pavlov> ShadowJK: still nothing with all repos disabled except that one
Apr 01 17:59:50 <Shapeshifter> omeather only has this blueish background, right?
Apr 01 18:00:02 <Shapeshifter> there's no grey background for it, is there?
Apr 01 18:00:08 <mamalmqv> Hi! I'm looking for some help on how to create maemo deb files out of my Qt build. Anyone?
Apr 01 18:00:08 <mza-_> is PR1.2 out?
Apr 01 18:00:15 <mza-_> seeing that it is on some blogs
Apr 01 18:00:19 <mza-_> some say just the SDK
Apr 01 18:00:36 <Shapeshifter> mza-_: april the 1st
Apr 01 18:01:24 <mza-_> jerks
Apr 01 18:01:28 <mza-_> <3
Apr 01 18:02:24 <Scorpiion> Hi, I would like to ask about GSoC and the Oscilloscope project... is speculatrix in here?
Apr 01 18:02:45 <Arkenoi> omfg - hercules ported to maemo! :-))
Apr 01 18:02:51 <DocScrutinizer> scope project?
Apr 01 18:03:08 <Scorpiion> DocScrutinizer: yes
Apr 01 18:04:45 <DocScrutinizer> wonder how that's going to work...
Apr 01 18:05:05 <Scorpiion> DocScrutinizer: I'm majoring in electronics and computer sience and actualy just ordered a "real" Oscilloscope today... a Rigol DS1052E... so I think it sounds like a really fun project and that I might be good suited for it.. :)
Apr 01 18:05:42 <DocScrutinizer> aah rigol :-D
Apr 01 18:06:01 <Scorpiion> yeah been looking at it for a long time now...
Apr 01 18:07:26 <Scorpiion> but after Dave's (eevblog.com have been following him since day one and looked at the scope since he showed it in an early episode) just hacked it (some other people might have done the job but he posted how it did it on his) I decieded to get one! :)
Apr 01 18:07:54 <Scorpiion> the makes it a 100Mhz just by sending a few serial commands to it and it transfer into an Rigol DS1152E.. :D
Apr 01 18:09:29 <Scorpiion> if anyone is interesed in the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnhXfVYWYXE&feature=player_embedded
Apr 01 18:11:06 <Scorpiion> DocScrutinizer: there is no possible mentor on the wiki.. do you know of anyone possible? yourself maybe?
Apr 01 18:11:24 <Shapeshifter> that dude is a tad weird.
Apr 01 18:11:31 <lcuk> Scorpiion, jeeesus, i remember when oscilliscopes were deep heavy style boxen
Apr 01 18:12:05 <Scorpiion> lcuk: hehe yeah thing get smaller.. and more plastic.. :P
Apr 01 18:12:12 <Scorpiion> things
Apr 01 18:12:44 * Arif_ yawns
Apr 01 18:12:54 <DocScrutinizer> Scorpiion: http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/README  http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/usbtmc.c
Apr 01 18:13:21 <lcuk> yeah Scorpiion totally
Apr 01 18:13:37 <lcuk> you could get a hernia carrying proper scopes
Apr 01 18:13:49 <balazsbela> hey all, I can't seem to get af-sb-init to start
Apr 01 18:13:49 <balazsbela> http://pastebin.com/MeQy9YMQ
Apr 01 18:14:21 <Shapeshifter> heh. http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5841.txt
Apr 01 18:14:26 <Shapeshifter> good one
Apr 01 18:14:41 <Arif_> http://www.google.co.uk/intl/en/landing/translateforanimals/
Apr 01 18:14:42 <Arif_> HEH
Apr 01 18:14:45 <Arif_> :)
Apr 01 18:15:43 <Scorpiion> DocScrutinizer: interesting stuff.. :)
Apr 01 18:15:47 <DocScrutinizer> Scorpiion: I have no idea about the duties of a mentor, and I somewhat doubt I'm the right person for such a role
Apr 01 18:16:28 <balazsbela> could anyone help with this please ?
Apr 01 18:16:29 <balazsbela> http://pastebin.com/MeQy9YMQ
Apr 01 18:18:01 <Scorpiion> DocScrutinizer: okey.. well I guess it depends of course.. but if you know a little how the community works.. know some people here... know some about Oscilloscopes.. some about maemo development.. would have a little time over to talk some times a week..
Apr 01 18:18:08 <Scorpiion> DocScrutinizer: well then you might be.. :)
Apr 01 18:21:38 <DocScrutinizer> I know enough about scopes, and I have a litle spare time, not sure about the remaining points
Apr 01 18:22:33 <Pavlov> is there a way to get logs from the application manager?
Apr 01 18:22:57 <Pavlov> oh
Apr 01 18:22:59 <Pavlov> there is
Apr 01 18:23:00 <woglinde> Pavlov again use apt-get on console
Apr 01 18:23:04 <woglinde> hi javis
Apr 01 18:23:05 <Pavlov> "ignoring version from wrong domain:"
Apr 01 18:23:10 <Pavlov> woglinde: apt-get works
Apr 01 18:23:13 <javispedro> hello wog
Apr 01 18:23:20 <mamalmqv> Trying to build Qt deb packages. "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b" seems to do the trick. can anyone confirm this is THE way to do it?
Apr 01 18:23:47 <Scorpiion> okey well I think in genreal the most importent part is that you know enough about scopes... there are a lot of people here that can help as well with pure maemo/qt stuff compared to those who know scopes good.. :)
Apr 01 18:24:03 <woglinde> mamalmqv why you need to build qt packages your self?
Apr 01 18:24:19 <woglinde> building qt lasts longer than building glibc
Apr 01 18:25:58 <mamalmqv> woglinde, because I need the latest defect fixes from the qit repo
Apr 01 18:26:06 * Pavlov wonders what that means
Apr 01 18:26:59 <Scorpiion> DocScrutinizer: or what do you think?
Apr 01 18:27:45 <mamalmqv> woglinde, sorry that's git repo, and nothing else
Apr 01 18:28:21 <woglinde> mamalmqv I am mostly using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us
Apr 01 18:28:39 <DocScrutinizer> Scorpiion: you can ask me about scopes any time and all you want
Apr 01 18:28:43 <woglinde> mamalmqv be aware that you have to edit debian/changelog
Apr 01 18:28:59 <woglinde> otherwise apt-get will always overwrite your packages
Apr 01 18:29:11 <Scorpiion> DocScrutinizer: that's good to know! :)
Apr 01 18:29:15 <mamalmqv> woglinde, I had already build the binaries, just wanted to package them up, but now dpkg-buildpackage seems to clean everything and start over... :(
Apr 01 18:29:34 <woglinde> mamalmqv yes
Apr 01 18:29:37 <Pavlov> woglinde: do you have any idea what that "ignoring version from wrong domain" means?
Apr 01 18:29:39 <woglinde> thats the debian way
Apr 01 18:29:57 <woglinde> Pavlov pastebin your sources.list
Apr 01 18:29:58 <Scorpiion> DocScrutinizer: are you usually hanging out here? I just thought if you knew anyone who might want to mentor this project?
Apr 01 18:30:02 <woglinde> ~pastebin
Apr 01 18:30:04 <infobot> [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.
Apr 01 18:30:06 <mamalmqv> woglinde, no I was not. how so?
Apr 01 18:30:34 <woglinde> mamalmqv dpkg-buildpackage always run clean
Apr 01 18:30:45 <woglinde> mamalmqv edit changelog?
Apr 01 18:30:56 <Pavlov> woglinde: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/712145 is the only thing in my sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
Apr 01 18:31:00 <Pavlov> my sources.list is empty
Apr 01 18:31:13 <mamalmqv> woglinde, yes, what do I need to edit?
Apr 01 18:31:51 <woglinde> mamalmqv if you arent a monkey you can learn the format of changelog at look into it
Apr 01 18:32:28 <woglinde> Pavlov whats your device?
Apr 01 18:32:47 <Pavlov> a n900?
Apr 01 18:32:53 <woglinde> lol
Apr 01 18:32:53 <mamalmqv> woglinde, I'm sure I can, but maybe you can tell me why I need to edit it?
Apr 01 18:33:04 <woglinde> chinook is from 2007
Apr 01 18:33:12 <Pavlov> yes i know
Apr 01 18:33:18 <Pavlov> the build is fine
Apr 01 18:33:20 <Scorpiion> DocScrutinizer: even if your not suited to be a mentor, here is what maemo wiki says about being a mentor http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2010/Mentors#How_to_become_a_mentor :)
Apr 01 18:33:27 <woglinde> pavlov it will not run on n900 so far
Apr 01 18:33:31 <Pavlov> it will
Apr 01 18:33:45 <woglinde> mamalmqv as I said if you run apt-get afterwars
Apr 01 18:33:47 <Pavlov> the bits are the same
Apr 01 18:33:54 <woglinde> it will overinstall your made packages
Apr 01 18:34:03 <Pavlov> 1.1 will be built with the fremantle sdk
Apr 01 18:34:03 <woglinde> you have to bump the version atleast
Apr 01 18:34:32 <woglinde> o.O ?
Apr 01 18:34:53 <woglinde> Pavlov okay sorry than I cant help you with your error
Apr 01 18:35:02 <Pavlov> you don't know what it means?
Apr 01 18:35:13 <Pavlov> we have no deps on anything in the sdk newer than chinook
Apr 01 18:35:19 <Pavlov> so no real reason to update build machines
Apr 01 18:35:31 <javispedro> "The Comparable is that the video running on 16 bit Windows, you become like the image appears in the photo gallery of the N900. "
Apr 01 18:35:39 <javispedro> Beatiful. It's like Haiku.
Apr 01 18:35:41 <javispedro> only better.
Apr 01 18:35:50 <Pavlov> (we are using the newer compiler tho)
Apr 01 18:37:53 * MohammadAG_ needs a desktop battery charger
Apr 01 18:39:48 <LuciusMare> Anybody working on xbmc port for maemo?
Apr 01 18:40:23 <SpeedEvil> who did the xchat banners thing?
Apr 01 18:41:21 <javispedro> rst38h is the maintainer, he'll know
Apr 01 18:42:16 <ptl_wants_PR12>   xbmc -- Skeleton package.
Apr 01 18:42:19 <ptl_wants_PR12> this one?
Apr 01 18:42:19 * SpeedEvil was idly wondering about opening links from messages in banera.
Apr 01 18:42:26 <SpeedEvil> banners.
Apr 01 18:42:34 <ptl_wants_PR12> I've installed LyX in easy debian, worked great!
Apr 01 18:43:32 <Pavlov> is the problem because i have one version installed from one domain and am trying to update from another?
Apr 01 18:43:32 <mamalmqv> woglinde: do you know how I can get the make command that dpkg-buildpackage runs to use more threads? when I compiled manually before I used "make -j 12" for my quad-core HT CPU, and it completed in about 20min
Apr 01 18:43:57 <mamalmqv> now it runs a lot slower
Apr 01 18:44:40 <woglinde> malamqv hm maybee the deb stuff in mameo is recent enough
Apr 01 18:44:42 <DocScrutinizer> Scorpiion: well, obviously the mentor role is highly sw centrc, while my 'contributions to the opensource coomunity in general' are more like ranting on IRC, and things like http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf
Apr 01 18:45:07 <woglinde> try -j
Apr 01 18:45:20 <mamalmqv> :) Will next time
Apr 01 18:45:38 <LuciusMare> Anybody working on xbmc port for maemo?
Apr 01 18:46:24 <woglinde> Doc is good at ranting
Apr 01 18:46:32 <LuciusMare> I found several outdated threads on tmo, and none of them was positive anyway
Apr 01 18:46:32 <DocScrutinizer> hrhrhrr
Apr 01 18:47:51 <mamalmqv> woglinde: -j doesn't work... :-s
Apr 01 18:48:12 <woglinde> mamalmqv hm there was one option to set make variables
Apr 01 18:48:19 <javispedro> Ranting is nice. But those tmoers get mad at me when I rant about the missing IR receiver!
Apr 01 18:48:19 <woglinde> args variable
Apr 01 18:48:25 <javispedro> I don't understand them :(
Apr 01 18:48:40 <LuciusMare> What missing irc reciever
Apr 01 18:48:44 <LuciusMare> ?
Apr 01 18:48:47 <evilrob> development question.  my first run at a maemo compat program.  I have a source package in C.  I have the maemo5 sdk installed and sbox running on my system.  I select the ARM target in sb-menu, and when I run ./configure on the src, configure returns that it can't run C programs, expecting me to define host type with --host.  using --host=ARM failes with "configure: error: /bin/sh ./config.sub ARM failed".  I'm clearly missing something.
Apr 01 18:49:06 <Pavlov> sigh
Apr 01 18:49:35 <javispedro> evilrob: "can't run C programs" means that most probably the target setup is borked. I'd try to build something without autoconf first and if it fails reinstall the sdk.
Apr 01 18:49:51 <javispedro> LuciusMare: IR receiver! ;)
Apr 01 18:50:05 <woglinde> javispedro ir revceiver is dead
Apr 01 18:50:09 <woglinde> no one used it
Apr 01 18:50:11 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: tmo is mad by def
Apr 01 18:50:12 <woglinde> in laptops
Apr 01 18:50:34 <woglinde> only early cellphones without bluetooth
Apr 01 18:50:35 <Scorpiion> DocScrutinizer: oh interesting! Working with OrCad and circuit design in school right now... it's fun! :)
Apr 01 18:50:54 <javispedro> woglinde: "early" as in "a decade" of cellphones.
Apr 01 18:50:56 <woglinde> hm coolio that should work
Apr 01 18:50:56 <mamalmqv> woglinde: were you just thinking out loud, or was that a suggestion?
Apr 01 18:51:07 <woglinde> mamalmqv both
Apr 01 18:51:08 <javispedro> a decade an five years, or even more.
Apr 01 18:51:36 * LuciusMare points at 99% of TVs
Apr 01 18:51:50 <Scorpiion> DocScrutinizer: well you don't have to be a mentor either.. but if I know I can ask you stuff and that you will hang out here then that would make it easier to find a other "real" mentor if he knew that there were someone else to asist on the scope parts.. :)
Apr 01 18:52:28 <DocScrutinizer> Scorpiion: no problem
Apr 01 18:52:40 <LuciusMare> You would be able to control your phone with a tv remote! :o
Apr 01 18:52:47 <woglinde> mamalmqv try DEB_BUILD_OPTION="parallel=4" dpkg-buildpackage
Apr 01 18:53:02 <woglinde> LuciusMare sure
Apr 01 18:53:46 <woglinde> hm anyone knows how big a kernel for n810 kernelpartition can be grow
Apr 01 18:53:52 <Scorpiion> DocScrutinizer: thanks then you would not mind if I mentioned it at the maillist?
Apr 01 18:54:08 <Scorpiion> just want to be sure so I don't piss you of.. :P haha
Apr 01 18:54:11 <woglinde> my Idea is to put a recent kernel there with the lowest possible drivers enabled and initramfs
Apr 01 18:54:17 <woglinde> with kexec
Apr 01 18:54:27 <woglinde> so I can boot diffrente kernels without hassle
Apr 01 18:54:29 <javispedro> uh, good luck.
Apr 01 18:54:40 <DocScrutinizer> Scorpiion: go ahead :-)
Apr 01 18:54:53 <evilrob> looks like I don't have the cputransp package installed.  fixing that
Apr 01 18:55:07 <Scorpiion> DocScrutinizer: thanks! :)
Apr 01 18:55:08 <mamalmqv> woglinde: all on one line? that gives http://pastebin.com/9d7drpDy
Apr 01 18:55:17 * Pavlov hates debian packaging stuff so much
Apr 01 18:55:29 <woglinde> Pavlov I like it
Apr 01 18:55:50 <Pavlov> it would be fine if it was better documented and worked as expected
Apr 01 18:57:09 * mamalmqv tries exporting DEB_BUILD_OPTION="parallel=4"
Apr 01 18:57:40 <evilrob> jdav_gone: thanks for the tip.  hello_world.c gave me a useful error message after I compiled it in sbox
Apr 01 18:58:00 <woglinde> Pavlov dont blame debian because of nokia dont use recent debhelper stuff
Apr 01 18:58:06 <mamalmqv> woglinde: ah, http://osdir.com/ml/debian-policy/2009-03/msg00112.html suggests that should work...
Apr 01 18:58:16 <woglinde> hm by the way you can use debhelper7 with maemo5
Apr 01 18:58:46 * mamalmqv bumps the threads to 12
Apr 01 18:58:56 <Pavlov> i have workign packages, working repository, just not working application manager
Apr 01 18:59:04 <woglinde> mamalmqv you forgot -rfakeroot
Apr 01 18:59:43 <woglinde> Pavlov sure because you are trying chinook on fremantle
Apr 01 18:59:51 <Pavlov> there are a handful of "Ignoring version from wrong domain" posts
Apr 01 18:59:53 <Pavlov> woglinde: hm?
Apr 01 19:00:01 <Pavlov> i can symlink the directory if you think that will make a difference
Apr 01 19:00:17 <Pavlov> but it is, well, a directory
Apr 01 19:00:25 <woglinde> no
Apr 01 19:00:38 <woglinde> you forget the Packages/Pakcages.gz files
Apr 01 19:01:00 <Pavlov> what about them?
Apr 01 19:01:12 <woglinde> thats what apt-get is reading
Apr 01 19:01:18 <Pavlov> yep
Apr 01 19:01:55 <Pavlov> woglinde: i can install this repo directly, but not if i have an earlier version installed
Apr 01 19:02:04 <Pavlov> something about the upgrade is hosing it
Apr 01 19:02:12 <Pavlov> this repo and the packages in it
Apr 01 19:03:05 <Scorpiion> how "good" is the emulator? can you develop maemo application without an actual device or is it best to have some device as well?
Apr 01 19:03:19 <woglinde> Scorpiion depends
Apr 01 19:03:31 <woglinde> Scorpiion if you develop with the dsp
Apr 01 19:03:35 <Pavlov> woglinde: does what i said make sense?
Apr 01 19:03:40 <woglinde> a device may helpful
Apr 01 19:04:00 <woglinde> pavlov I dont know if you bump the version of the packages right
Apr 01 19:04:13 <woglinde> thats what my magic class isnt telling me
Apr 01 19:04:17 <woglinde> glass
Apr 01 19:04:19 <woglinde> hrms
Apr 01 19:04:26 <Pavlov> Version: 1.0.1, old Packages file has Version: 1.0.0
Apr 01 19:04:39 <woglinde> hm hm that should work building kexec-image with openembedded
Apr 01 19:04:57 <woglinde> and flash it onto the kernel partition
Apr 01 19:06:31 <Scorpiion> woglinde: okey... was thinking of the scope project.. hm..
Apr 01 19:06:42 <Pavlov> the packages aren't making it in to the dpkg available file
Apr 01 19:07:15 <woglinde> Pavlov so your Packages(.gz) is wrong
Apr 01 19:08:15 <Pavlov> woglinde: any idea what in there would be wrong?
Apr 01 19:10:46 <Pavlov> only thing i could think of is the filename and its path
Apr 01 19:11:28 <DocScrutinizer> Scorpiion: you're aware N900 has no USB hostmode (yet)?
Apr 01 19:12:49 <Scorpiion> DocScrutinizer: no I'm not..
Apr 01 19:12:50 <corecode> yea, how's that going
Apr 01 19:12:52 <kpel> really?
Apr 01 19:13:11 <kpel> i thought that was sorted our years ago
Apr 01 19:13:15 <Pavlov> woglinde: do you know if there is a reference package for the packages file anywhere?
Apr 01 19:13:23 <javispedro> it's waiting for usbhost kernel hacker :)
Apr 01 19:13:28 <kpel> s/our/out/
Apr 01 19:13:29 <infobot> kpel meant: i thought that was sorted out years ago
Apr 01 19:13:40 <kpel> heh, cool bot feature
Apr 01 19:13:41 <marcusmoller> heya
Apr 01 19:13:55 <ptl_wants_PR12> It seems the N900 has no USB host mode because the European commission adviced against it in some technical document
Apr 01 19:14:01 <marcusmoller> is it likely that the accelorometer can be broken?
Apr 01 19:14:05 <ptl_wants_PR12> I've read something like that
Apr 01 19:14:26 <marcusmoller> when im playing bounce, it goes right all the time :s
Apr 01 19:14:28 <ptl_wants_PR12> So, virtually no mobile device sold in Europe has USB host mode
Apr 01 19:14:28 <kpel> the EC doesn't want us to have host mode? weird
Apr 01 19:14:28 <DocScrutinizer> Scorpiion: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=588950#post588950
Apr 01 19:14:45 <Scorpiion> will read that now :)
Apr 01 19:14:59 <wiretapped> changing the timezone in maemo is broken
Apr 01 19:15:03 <wiretapped> the time didn't change
Apr 01 19:15:47 <ptl_wants_PR12> for me it worked. What's your timezone?
Apr 01 19:16:13 <DocScrutinizer> ptl_wants_PR12: that sounds weird. Pointer please. I guess you're mistaken by the recent mandatory USB-charging
Apr 01 19:16:16 <wiretapped> it was PDT (GMT-7); I just changed it to GMT+0
Apr 01 19:16:40 <marcusmoller> how can i check if my accelorometer is broken
Apr 01 19:16:42 <wiretapped> oh i'm not on PR1.1 yet >_>
Apr 01 19:17:54 <DocScrutinizer> marcusmoller: liqacceltest app
Apr 01 19:18:10 <ptl_wants_PR12> DocScrutinizer: well, I'll have to google for it, there are some weeks I've read that
Apr 01 19:18:18 <Arif_> marcusmoller, if the phone app doesn't start when you shake the phone like crazy :)
Apr 01 19:18:19 <marcusmoller> using apt-get?
Apr 01 19:18:36 <marcusmoller> what app?
Apr 01 19:18:42 <javispedro> such a boring april fools, all your fault Arif_ !
Apr 01 19:18:59 <Arif_> javispedro, youtube has ascii videos
Apr 01 19:19:03 <DocScrutinizer> marcusmoller: it's in HAM when you enable the devel repo
Apr 01 19:19:09 <Arif_> and google translate has an option to translate to animal speak :D
Apr 01 19:19:23 <Arif_> marcusmoller, you can try the eye widget too
Apr 01 19:19:26 <marcusmoller> tbh, it doesnt change when holding the input thing down
Apr 01 19:19:39 <marcusmoller> should it start?
Apr 01 19:19:49 <Arif_> hold it vertically and shake the phone somewhat
Apr 01 19:20:02 <Arif_> I don't know if its enabled by default though..
Apr 01 19:20:15 <Arif_> I have shake2control installed but it only works half the time xD
Apr 01 19:20:16 <DocScrutinizer> Arif_: wtf??
Apr 01 19:20:25 <marcusmoller> wtf what?
Apr 01 19:20:28 <mamalmqv> woglinde: there was an S missing from the end of DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS you suggested...
Apr 01 19:20:35 * mamalmqv cooking with gas
Apr 01 19:20:43 <Arif_> ??
Apr 01 19:20:50 <Arif_> what?
Apr 01 19:20:58 <Arif_> what did I do now -.-
Apr 01 19:21:20 <woglinde> mamalmqv hm opps sorry
Apr 01 19:21:35 <mamalmqv> woglinde: now if only I could stop it building webkit...
Apr 01 19:21:59 <DocScrutinizer> in phone app you can enable rotation and 'start on rotate' - I nebver heard about shake2start
Apr 01 19:22:00 <woglinde> mamalmqv edit configure stuff
Apr 01 19:22:14 <woglinde> remove webkit package from debian/control
Apr 01 19:22:20 <Arif_> no no
Apr 01 19:22:24 <Arif_> shake2control is a widget
Apr 01 19:22:25 <marcusmoller> what phone app?
Apr 01 19:22:27 <Arif_> to control the media app
Apr 01 19:22:37 <Arif_> but the phone app never starts when I just hold it vertically
Apr 01 19:22:44 <Arif_> I have to shake the phone to tell it its in vertical position :)
Apr 01 19:22:57 <mamalmqv> k
Apr 01 19:23:00 <DocScrutinizer> 'start on rotate/portrait' only works from desktop or taskswitcher
Apr 01 19:23:24 <ptl_wants_PR12> DocScrutinizer: http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/read/357290e62ac611dfaf06fdba48a7a3f3a3f3/
Apr 01 19:25:26 <DocScrutinizer> Arif_: it starts on transition to vertical. So hold it flat or landscape for a few seconds, then turn to vertical. WFM
Apr 01 19:25:58 <Arif_> maybe I fail at turning the phone :)
Apr 01 19:26:19 <marcusmoller> okay ffs it doesnt rotate even thiugh its turned on
Apr 01 19:26:35 <marcusmoller> and bounce is going straight right all the time
Apr 01 19:27:23 <DocScrutinizer> marcusmoller: it only works when on desktop, and doing a clean transition from flat to vertical, and when enabled both options in dialer app menu
Apr 01 19:27:39 <ptl_wants_PR12> DocScrutinizer: have you read the URL?
Apr 01 19:28:04 <DocScrutinizer> ptl_wants_PR12: nah, not even noticed. whart is it?
Apr 01 19:28:13 <ptl_wants_PR12> DocScrutinizer: http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/read/357290e62ac611dfaf06fdba48a7a3f3a3f3/
Apr 01 19:28:14 <marcusmoller> im at desktop and turning clockwise but no success
Apr 01 19:28:22 <GeneralAntilles> javispedro, fix your signature!
Apr 01 19:28:38 <javispedro> I want my invisibility cloak first!
Apr 01 19:28:40 <ptl_wants_PR12> maybe the URL is not sent to the channel when I am using a non-registered nickname
Apr 01 19:28:43 <ptl_wants_PR12> did you get it?
Apr 01 19:28:47 <javispedro> And I want all the secrets
Apr 01 19:28:49 <GeneralAntilles> Mmm
Apr 01 19:28:52 <ptl_wants_PR12> *an unregistered nickname
Apr 01 19:28:55 <DocScrutinizer> marcusmoller: I suggest liqacceltest
Apr 01 19:28:59 <javispedro> The Nokia and council hidden stargate! where they hide it!
Apr 01 19:29:05 <RST38h> javispedro,General: So, gentlemen, can we expect a working autobuilder / promotion process, finally?
Apr 01 19:29:20 <marcusmoller> sad thing im at my gf atm
Apr 01 19:29:40 <RST38h> Or maybe you can at least try fixing the current problem at hand (autobuilder building packages for pr1.2 which nobody has)
Apr 01 19:29:42 <ptl_wants_PR12> Nokia should release PR1.2 even if there are remaining bugs, because at the current state the installation of programs is completely broken. This is not the correct way to handle your customers.
Apr 01 19:29:52 <DocScrutinizer> aah, usb hostmode
Apr 01 19:30:24 <javispedro> RST38h: instead of that, you say that someone opened the pandora's box about ti calculator roms licensing (again) ?
Apr 01 19:30:28 <javispedro> s/say/saw
Apr 01 19:31:59 * javispedro goes fix the signature :)
Apr 01 19:32:10 * Arif_ throws a zeemote at javispedro
Apr 01 19:32:27 * javispedro grabs the zeemote and decides to keep it.
Apr 01 19:32:28 <javispedro> thanks.
Apr 01 19:33:04 <ptl_wants_PR12> running LyX in my cellphone. I am still amazed by that.
Apr 01 19:33:06 <Arif_> there needs to be a zeemote with 10 buttons
Apr 01 19:33:34 * Arif_ sends ptl_wants_PR12 PR12.1
Apr 01 19:33:42 <satmd> :p
Apr 01 19:33:43 <Pavlov> i think i'm being bit in the ass by the ovi store packages
Apr 01 19:33:46 <Pavlov> grr
Apr 01 19:33:56 <Arif_> what packages?
Apr 01 19:34:07 <Pavlov> fennec ones
Apr 01 19:34:11 <Arif_> you bought snow fairy episode 4?
Apr 01 19:34:20 * ptl_wants_PR12 runs PR12.1 and sees a laughing skull and then his mothership blows up.
Apr 01 19:34:43 <DocScrutinizer> ptl_wants_PR12: in that post (your URL) there's quite a lot of hearsay and false info/conclusions. And I don't know the mentioned MoU
Apr 01 19:34:45 * RST38h infects PR1.2 with bubonic plague and spreads it
Apr 01 19:34:54 <javispedro> end of the world as we know it.
Apr 01 19:35:13 * Arif_ adds a pink theme to PR1.2
Apr 01 19:35:14 * microlith rages at the background daemons killing his device
Apr 01 19:35:34 <microlith> is there a way to use cgroups to restrict process cpu usage?
Apr 01 19:35:35 <Arif_> will go nicely with the pink styli ! <3
Apr 01 19:35:50 <RST38h> javispedro: It is Flandry again
Apr 01 19:36:03 <ptl_wants_PR12> DocScrutinizer: what ares the true facts? Even if that is hearsay, it seems a plausible reason for not having usb host mode.
Apr 01 19:36:12 <ptl_wants_PR12> s/ares/are/
Apr 01 19:36:12 <infobot> ptl_wants_PR12 meant: DocScrutinizer: what are the true facts? Even if that is hearsay, it seems a plausible reason for not having usb host mode.
Apr 01 19:36:19 <javispedro> RST38h: oh, I though it was a oct2009er
Apr 01 19:36:33 <javispedro> either way, fortunately, they're not periodically pinging about the issue.
Apr 01 19:36:34 <RST38h> javispedro: The guy REALLY wants to make a difference. Through legislation, most likely because it is the easiest way
Apr 01 19:36:35 <ptl_wants_PR12> DocScrutinizer: is there such a recommendation?
Apr 01 19:36:52 <javispedro> but I guess something will have to be done about it
Apr 01 19:38:00 <RST38h> javispedro: Dunno. I would say, removing anything remotely modern and waiting for possible takedown notice on the rest is the best way of action.
Apr 01 19:38:35 <ptl_wants_PR12> legislation...
Apr 01 19:38:40 <javispedro> That's what I do. Though they rebated with "why? everything's illegal, immoral, and wrong in the eyes of god"
Apr 01 19:38:45 <javispedro> s/I do/I'd do
Apr 01 19:39:00 <RST38h> javispedro: And I have done that already. Will most likely yank TI83 as well (if it is still there, anyway), and the rest is really archaic
Apr 01 19:39:23 <RST38h> javispedro: I have seen this discussion many many times over since 1993
Apr 01 19:39:30 <javispedro> RST38h: and has TI ever moved a finger about it?
Apr 01 19:39:42 <RST38h> javispedro: Believe me, everything said in that thread has been said before, multiple times
Apr 01 19:39:46 <RST38h> javispedro: No
Apr 01 19:39:47 <ptl_wants_PR12> in the beginning of this year the most famous brazilian blog about nokia phones, called nokiabr, received a cease-and-desist letter from Nokia's lawyers. The guy immediately took down his blog and de-registered the domain. Nokia really shot its foot in this case, because the blog was a giant marketing stand for Nokia with hundreds of tips and tutorials.
Apr 01 19:40:03 <javispedro> RST38h: pft.
Apr 01 19:40:10 <ptl_wants_PR12> The reason of the C&D letter was that the blog used the word 'nokia' in its title.
Apr 01 19:40:57 <mamalmqv> woglinde: the packages are being built now. thanks! :)
Apr 01 19:41:13 <javispedro> dunno RST38h, what would you say if we were to tell "you can put the almostti in extras, but host the roms yourself and make the app download them on first boot"?
Apr 01 19:41:25 <RST38h> javispedro: You know what I will do.
Apr 01 19:41:57 <javispedro> I think I do ... :P
Apr 01 19:41:59 <javispedro> well, brb
Apr 01 19:42:00 <ptl_wants_PR12> 'Nokia' seems more like a japanese word than a finnish word.
Apr 01 19:42:04 <RST38h> javispedro: If you do not, consider the loops I have had to jump through to get into Extras in the first place, multiply by the number of packages I maintain
Apr 01 19:42:11 <javispedro> yes
Apr 01 19:42:14 <RST38h> javispedro: Guess what I will do.
Apr 01 19:42:18 <javispedro> the Khertan strategy
Apr 01 19:42:34 * RST38h takes his crystal ball back from javispedro
Apr 01 19:42:48 <RST38h> Gazing into it gets addictive after a time
Apr 01 19:43:11 <ptl_wants_PR12> Khertan strategy? Doesit have to do with complaining about the difficult of promoting your package?
Apr 01 19:43:19 <ptl_wants_PR12> or about setting up a separate repository?
Apr 01 19:43:40 <javispedro> it's better seen live, in the mailing lists.
Apr 01 19:43:43 * microlith boggles at the ovi store
Apr 01 19:43:50 <javispedro> brb as I said
Apr 01 19:44:02 <C-S-B-N900> shouldnt bluetooth turn off after you have used it?
Apr 01 19:44:13 <ptl_wants_PR12> why?
Apr 01 19:44:18 <C-S-B-N900> unless explicitly turned on by you.
Apr 01 19:44:36 <ptl_wants_PR12> I don't think so
Apr 01 19:44:56 <ptl_wants_PR12> it's good to have that cute symbol in your systray.
Apr 01 19:45:25 <C-S-B-N900> well if i choose to share an image by sending over bluetooth, i dont need bluetooth any longer than needed for the xfer.
Apr 01 19:45:33 <ptl_wants_PR12> well, maybe that should be the case if you are invisible.
Apr 01 19:45:33 <ptl_wants_PR12> I let my bluetooth always visible...
Apr 01 19:45:41 <C-S-B-N900> if i did, id have turned it on.
Apr 01 19:47:26 <microlith> wow
Apr 01 19:47:45 <microlith> $2 for ~24 minutes of video crushed to 33MB
Apr 01 19:48:11 * microlith bets its dubbed, too
Apr 01 19:56:51 <woglinde> seems I made 3 people happy this day
Apr 01 19:57:30 <ptl_wants_PR12> how?
Apr 01 19:57:41 <woglinde> giving advices
Apr 01 20:06:23 <javispedro> god, tmo is losing its remaining sanity quickly these days.
Apr 01 20:06:32 <javispedro> i wonder what will happen when 1.2 is released.
Apr 01 20:06:53 <Arif_> javispedro, people will complain about PR1.3
Apr 01 20:06:58 <Arif_> ;)
Apr 01 20:07:17 <RST38h> javispedro: will get quiet for a few days, then they start complaining about pr1.3
Apr 01 20:07:25 <corecode> neh
Apr 01 20:07:27 <javispedro> "quiet"?
Apr 01 20:07:34 <corecode> they will instantly complain
Apr 01 20:07:39 <javispedro> exactly
Apr 01 20:07:43 <RST38h> quiet as everyone is installing pr1.2
Apr 01 20:07:49 <javispedro> they will start complaining that pr1.2 didn't cure world hunger
Apr 01 20:07:54 <Arif_> why would you wait to complain!
Apr 01 20:08:01 <MohammadAG> they'll complain about not enough memory in target location
Apr 01 20:08:04 <corecode> is there a way to just get a platform without whiny people?
Apr 01 20:08:07 <MohammadAG> more disappointment threads
Apr 01 20:08:11 <MohammadAG> more FUD
Apr 01 20:08:14 <MohammadAG> new trolls
Apr 01 20:08:16 <SpeedEvil> or if it did, that it contributes to overpopulation
Apr 01 20:08:18 <Arif_> oh and 2 people will ask how to install it because they have too much on their rootfs
Apr 01 20:08:20 <RST38h> fun fun fun
Apr 01 20:08:30 <MohammadAG> THEN they'll complain about pr1.3
Apr 01 20:08:56 <Nitial> my PR goes to 11!
Apr 01 20:09:06 <RST38h> Maybe I will get to haunt a few unfortunate bozos into suicide or something
Apr 01 20:09:28 * Arif_ opens a thread "speculation on what Nokia will break in PR1.2"
Apr 01 20:10:06 <corecode> tmo is unusable, IMO
Apr 01 20:10:13 <corecode> too much noise
Apr 01 20:10:15 <RST38h> depends on what you use it for
Apr 01 20:10:41 <corecode> learn about interesting things, applications, tweaks, development
Apr 01 20:10:52 <RST38h> just barely then
Apr 01 20:10:54 <corecode> modest-account-view-window.c:236: warning: implicit declaration of function 'hildon_live_search_widget_hook'
Apr 01 20:10:57 <corecode> :/
Apr 01 20:11:14 <javispedro> that comes with pr1.2
Apr 01 20:11:21 <corecode> haha
Apr 01 20:11:29 <javispedro> it's true
Apr 01 20:11:50 <corecode> i'd like modest to store sent mail on imap
Apr 01 20:11:58 <corecode> but i'm working on that myself
Apr 01 20:12:08 <ptl_wants_PR12> the thing is
Apr 01 20:12:17 <javispedro> "early ipad reviews extremely positive". Did April Fools end already? I hope not.
Apr 01 20:12:25 <ptl_wants_PR12> Nokia 'fixes' a bunch of bugs internally
Apr 01 20:12:27 <ptl_wants_PR12> talks about that a lot
Apr 01 20:12:29 <ptl_wants_PR12> stamps then with 'fixed in PR1.2'
Apr 01 20:12:30 <ptl_wants_PR12> releases its changelog
Apr 01 20:12:34 <ptl_wants_PR12> releases the SDK with it
Apr 01 20:12:45 <ptl_wants_PR12> but doesn't release the damn PR1.2!!!!
Apr 01 20:12:50 <RST38h> javispedro: the register actually came up with a better qualification for this madness
Apr 01 20:12:56 <ptl_wants_PR12> meanwhile the repositories get broken
Apr 01 20:13:00 <SpeedEvil> pr1.2 released.
Apr 01 20:13:07 <ptl_wants_PR12> because the software asks for new versions of the APIs.
Apr 01 20:13:15 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, late april fools?
Apr 01 20:13:18 <javispedro> SpeedEvil: better hide from tmo for a while then ;)
Apr 01 20:13:19 <SpeedEvil> uk pr1.2 released in another 2 months
Apr 01 20:13:36 <corecode> what's up with these intl PRs?
Apr 01 20:13:41 <ptl_wants_PR12> I doubt it, but I'll refresh once more
Apr 01 20:13:48 <corecode> i have no idea what i am running
Apr 01 20:13:53 <corecode> imported from the US
Apr 01 20:13:56 <MohammadAG> don't waste server bandwidth
Apr 01 20:14:05 <corecode> then updated via appmgr
Apr 01 20:14:26 <corecode> ptl_wants_PR12: what do you mean, repos get broken?
Apr 01 20:14:44 <MohammadAG> packages have broken dependencies
Apr 01 20:14:57 <MohammadAG> try installing ukeyboard or psx4all
Apr 01 20:15:46 <ptl_wants_PR12> corecode: I mean that ---> http://www.btmon.com/Video/Movies/Silence_of_the_Lambs_-_Hannibal_Complete.torrent
Apr 01 20:15:49 <ptl_wants_PR12> ooops
Apr 01 20:15:49 <ptl_wants_PR12> lol
Apr 01 20:15:51 <ptl_wants_PR12> SORRY
Apr 01 20:15:54 <ptl_wants_PR12> pasted it wrong
Apr 01 20:16:02 <ptl_wants_PR12> corecode: I mean that ---> http://nokia-n900.com/broken-packages-half-good-news/
Apr 01 20:16:23 <ptl_wants_PR12> sorry for the torrent... wrong stuff in the clipboard... really! don't kick me
Apr 01 20:16:45 <javispedro> a pirate I was meant to be, meant to be...
Apr 01 20:16:46 * MohammadAG kicks ptl_wants_PR12 
Apr 01 20:16:54 <RST38h> javispedro: "The first iPads reviews are up, pushing reviewers to their very limits in the search for superlatives worthy of the sublime magnificence bestowed upon them." <== the brits know their sarcasm very well
Apr 01 20:17:24 <RST38h> ~lart ptl_wants_pr12
Apr 01 20:17:25 * infobot teaches ptl_wants_pr12 that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right.
Apr 01 20:17:57 * javispedro thinks youtube's cc is ridiculous. a subtitle just read "cut bill's throat!"
Apr 01 20:18:22 <corecode> watching house?
Apr 01 20:18:30 <javispedro> not exactly..
Apr 01 20:18:40 <MohammadAG> lol that's nothing, what balloon do you want got cc'd into what blood do you want
Apr 01 20:18:42 <corecode> wait, it wouldn't make that out of cutthroad bitch
Apr 01 20:18:43 <corecode> nevermind
Apr 01 20:19:00 <corecode> cutthroat*
Apr 01 20:19:17 <javispedro> RST38h: ah, the completely unbiased, accurate reporting and reviewing of bloggers....
Apr 01 20:19:41 <corecode> hey yo how do i get black background in xterm, and is it a good idea?
Apr 01 20:19:50 <ptl_wants_PR12> I do use it
Apr 01 20:19:55 <ptl_wants_PR12> it uses less battery power
Apr 01 20:19:57 <javispedro> you can actually change the colors in font settings
Apr 01 20:19:59 <ptl_wants_PR12> and also feels nicer
Apr 01 20:20:06 <corecode> ah
Apr 01 20:20:13 <corecode> see, i didn't even look into font
Apr 01 20:20:21 <corecode> does it consume noticably less power?
Apr 01 20:20:22 <ptl_wants_PR12> and I also customize my shell prompt to be multi-colored.
Apr 01 20:20:33 <corecode> i need zsh for that
Apr 01 20:20:34 <ptl_wants_PR12> export PS1='\e[93m[\e[96m\u\e[92m@\e[96mn900 \e[92m\W\033[93m\]\033[95m%\e[0m '
Apr 01 20:20:41 <ptl_wants_PR12> not really
Apr 01 20:20:44 <corecode> does that work with easydebian?
Apr 01 20:20:48 <ptl_wants_PR12> even the busybox shells accepts it
Apr 01 20:20:49 <ptl_wants_PR12> yes
Apr 01 20:20:57 <corecode> zsh + git?
Apr 01 20:20:57 <ptl_wants_PR12> and also with the default terminal app running busybox
Apr 01 20:21:01 <corecode> that would be good
Apr 01 20:21:06 <corecode> yea, i don't like that shell
Apr 01 20:21:12 <ptl_wants_PR12> I also use zsh in my laptop...
Apr 01 20:21:31 <ptl_wants_PR12> I'll try it later in easy debian
Apr 01 20:21:46 <corecode> thanks for reporting back
Apr 01 20:21:57 <timeless_mbp> Arif_: why bother?
Apr 01 20:22:05 <timeless_mbp> we partially break catorize
Apr 01 20:22:20 <timeless_mbp> we partially break the osk
Apr 01 20:22:42 <ptl_wants_PR12> bah, fooled again, the refresh didn't return anything -- <SpeedEvil> pr1.2 released.
Apr 01 20:22:50 <Arif_> at leat I know they can't break the media player even more
Apr 01 20:22:52 <Arif_> :D
Apr 01 20:22:57 <timeless_mbp> (well, technically the osk just has a tiny regression iirc)
Apr 01 20:22:59 <corecode> ptl_wants_PR12: hahah
Apr 01 20:23:27 <SpeedEvil> ptl_wants_PR12, that was continuing on the timeline into the future using historical tense.
Apr 01 20:24:55 <ptl_wants_PR12> SpeedEvil: you are sadistic, the last time I did that I was kicked from this channel
Apr 01 20:25:27 <SpeedEvil> :/
Apr 01 20:25:43 <ptl_wants_PR12> but I am just amused :D I refresh 20 times a day anyway
Apr 01 20:25:47 * SpeedEvil sighs at message banners.
Apr 01 20:25:57 <ptl_wants_PR12> My N900 is very hot from updating
Apr 01 20:26:09 <timeless_mbp> we break the ability to reflash just the eMMC :)
Apr 01 20:26:09 <timeless_mbp> (since a significant portion of the os lives there...)
Apr 01 20:26:12 * SpeedEvil was at 7000 on blocks when that hit.
Apr 01 20:26:23 <timeless_mbp> you of course can't downgrade
Apr 01 20:26:55 <timeless_mbp> (actually, that's not technically correct, but)
Apr 01 20:28:03 * ptl_wants_PR12 updating once more, just in case Murphy's law releases PR1.2 shortly after he had updated.
Apr 01 20:28:25 <woglinde_> hit f5 as fast as you can
Apr 01 20:29:17 <javispedro> timeless: interesting bit of data about the emmc (>:))
Apr 01 20:29:19 <ptl_wants_PR12> and what is this about fennec repository not working anyway?
Apr 01 20:29:24 <ptl_wants_PR12> anyone else has that problem?
Apr 01 20:29:34 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, how's your N900? :/
Apr 01 20:29:57 <PhonicUK> hey all, anyone know how i can change the default shell in maemo5?
Apr 01 20:30:03 <ptl_wants_PR12> chsh
Apr 01 20:30:12 <PhonicUK> i want to use bash instead of busybox sh
Apr 01 20:30:18 <PhonicUK> ty
Apr 01 20:30:19 <ptl_wants_PR12> it might break something
Apr 01 20:30:20 <ptl_wants_PR12> do it at your own
Apr 01 20:30:48 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: due to migraine It's still black I guess
Apr 01 20:30:57 <ShadowJK> ouch
Apr 01 20:31:14 <RST38h> ok, sleep.
Apr 01 20:31:45 <ShadowJK> Amusingly another person on t.m.o has been talking to bq27200 too same week as me, but with the kernel driver :)
Apr 01 20:33:06 <DocScrutinizer> talking to 24150 is a more intriguing topic
Apr 01 20:33:37 <DocScrutinizer> wrt hostmode and checking what BME actually does for charging
Apr 01 20:34:13 <ShadowJK> It must be doing something for charging other than saying "Charge it please", or then the schematics are wrong
Apr 01 20:34:33 * DocScrutinizer curses large B2B-connectors, and prays it's not something more severe
Apr 01 20:34:41 <PhonicUK> hmm it says /bin/bash is an invalid shell even tho i can run it
Apr 01 20:36:25 <ptl_wants_PR12> PhonicUK: maybe you have to register it at /etc/shells
Apr 01 20:36:41 <DocScrutinizer> PhonicUK: /etc/shells
Apr 01 20:36:44 <PhonicUK> kk
Apr 01 20:36:56 <MaMaGoody> hello, anyone have problem connecting logitech mx5500 with n900?
Apr 01 20:37:07 <DocScrutinizer> PhonicUK: be warned there are issues with initscripts incompatibilities
Apr 01 20:37:36 <PhonicUK> even if i just change it for user and not root?
Apr 01 20:37:54 <SpeedEvil> yes
Apr 01 20:38:06 <SpeedEvil> much of the ui runs as user
Apr 01 20:38:07 <DocScrutinizer> especially for user it seems
Apr 01 20:38:15 <PhonicUK> i wont bother then
Apr 01 20:38:47 <DocScrutinizer> moin SpeedEvil
Apr 01 20:38:58 <woglinde_> PhonicUK why you dont load it in the .file for the shell
Apr 01 20:39:06 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer, hello.
Apr 01 20:39:51 <PhonicUK> would it be .shrc ?
Apr 01 20:40:47 <MaMaGoody> after i got it paired it said connection failed
Apr 01 20:43:14 * SpeedEvil ponders a new meme. http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4482534946/
Apr 01 20:43:20 <SpeedEvil> maemo digs.
Apr 01 20:45:01 <Arif_> Hmm
Apr 01 20:45:09 <Arif_> I wonder what happens if you remove "maemo 5" from app manager :D
Apr 01 20:45:53 <ptl_wants_PR12> What about THIS meme? Java applets in N900 -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/22764998@N08/4343126728/
Apr 01 20:45:57 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: basically 24150 will charge just fine with 500mA on D-short standard chargers, *until* BME talks to it. The purpose of BME probably is to read chrg_detect from 1707 or some other source, or read VBUS-detected and ask for USB driver's Imax negotiation. If there's no such negotiation, then it either decides to not charge at all, or it assumes a nonstandard charger and eventually will push Imax-VBUS to 1000mA
Apr 01 20:46:23 <DocScrutinizer> something along that line which is a raw sketch only
Apr 01 20:47:26 <ShadowJK> iirc /sys/...../twl4030_usb/ has a "charger" file that shows 1 when I've connected things with Data pins shorted
Apr 01 20:48:14 <DocScrutinizer> twl4030 would be the wrong place anyway
Apr 01 20:48:32 <DocScrutinizer> as GAIA isn't connected to the D+/-
Apr 01 20:48:34 <ShadowJK> and a vbus file that shows 1 whenever there's voltage on vbus
Apr 01 20:48:45 <DocScrutinizer> that's more like it
Apr 01 20:49:13 <ShadowJK> maybe gaia talks to the usb phy though :)
Apr 01 20:49:38 <DocScrutinizer> for sure not directly
Apr 01 20:49:49 <DocScrutinizer> both are I2C slaves
Apr 01 20:51:32 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
Apr 01 21:08:03 <PhonicUK> hmm, the n900 emulator has no xterm :/
Apr 01 21:08:48 <Stskeeps> eh
Apr 01 21:09:00 <lcuk> the meego one has one!
Apr 01 21:09:38 <Arif_> Moogo is ONLY XTerm \o/
Apr 01 21:09:43 <javispedro> osso-xterm was shipped with previous sdks..
Apr 01 21:09:53 <PhonicUK> what does it output for uname -a ?
Apr 01 21:09:57 <javispedro> but I guess it was on extras by then :P
Apr 01 21:10:03 <lcuk> hey javispedro \o
Apr 01 21:10:07 <lcuk> congrats
Apr 01 21:10:11 <javispedro> evening lcuk
Apr 01 21:10:13 <javispedro> thanks :)
Apr 01 21:11:00 <Jaffa> javispedro: *poke* about "Council business" thread
Apr 01 21:11:19 <Jaffa> GAN900: *poke* about "Council business" thread ;-)
Apr 01 21:11:55 <javispedro> Jaffa: I know, I was just waiting to have more to say other than "+1" :)
Apr 01 21:11:58 <GAN900> Jaffa, being stuck in traffic is as good a time as any to look at email, I guess. . . .
Apr 01 21:12:25 <Jaffa> javispedro: bandwidth's cheap ;-)
Apr 01 21:12:45 <javispedro> I find that "other" thread more interesting..
Apr 01 21:13:59 <GAN900> Jaffa, sent. . . .
Apr 01 21:15:02 <PhonicUK> i wanna port my prototype AR app :)
Apr 01 21:15:13 <PhonicUK> this ought to be fun
Apr 01 21:25:56 * MohammadAG__ is kind of pissed off
Apr 01 21:26:21 <MohammadAG__> reflashed for the third time, and some **** app keeps crashing the volume keys
Apr 01 21:26:41 <woglinde_> hihi
Apr 01 21:27:29 <Arif_> stop installing apps after the reflash
Apr 01 21:27:52 <MohammadAG__> Arif_, my menu feels small if i do that
Apr 01 21:28:29 <Arif_> stop installing stuff from devel, then
Apr 01 21:28:30 <MohammadAG__> uninstalled an app, restarting to see if it fixed it
Apr 01 21:28:38 * lupine_85 wonders if the MeeGo kernel would run the N900 + maemo 5 competently
Apr 01 21:28:42 <MohammadAG__> NEVAR
Apr 01 21:28:45 <b-man17> ll
Apr 01 21:28:47 <b-man17> *lol
Apr 01 21:28:49 <MohammadAG__> @ Arif_
Apr 01 21:28:55 <Arif_> aw
Apr 01 21:29:01 <Arif_> BUT IT IS DANGEROUS
Apr 01 21:29:19 * PhonicUK wonders how well meego will run on the n900
Apr 01 21:29:27 <MohammadAG__> i like dangerous stuff
Apr 01 21:29:32 * b-man17 is trying to get meego booting atm
Apr 01 21:29:46 <MohammadAG__> PhonicUK, it will change architecture to x86 and download Windows 7
Apr 01 21:29:47 <PhonicUK> on an n900?
Apr 01 21:29:49 <Arif_> PhonicUK, it will not?
Apr 01 21:30:05 <b-man17> the stupid .tar.gz rootfs image i downloaded is corrupted >:(
Apr 01 21:30:11 <MohammadAG__> rebooting (love doing it from xchat lol)
Apr 01 21:30:11 <b-man17> yes
Apr 01 21:30:19 <MohammadAG__> /exec sudo reboot
Apr 01 21:30:21 <MohammadAG__> oops
Apr 01 21:30:25 <b-man17> lol
Apr 01 21:30:38 <Arif_> Windows Phone 7 with no copy paste \o/
Apr 01 21:30:48 <b-man17> PhonicUK: yup
Apr 01 21:35:17 * Arkenoi got impression that newer n900 are somehow physically different from old ones. I purchased replacement one and noticed that keyboard slide is more tight, screen feels a bit different when touched and keyboard surface is more rough. and it *always* starts charging immediately when plugged in
Apr 01 21:35:45 <woglinde_> nice blog article from harald again
Apr 01 21:35:49 <woglinde_> about changes in qt
Apr 01 21:35:54 <woglinde_> kinetic stuff
Apr 01 21:36:27 <lcuk> hey woglinde_ post links :p
Apr 01 21:36:40 <woglinde_> http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/04/01/pr-12-sdk-for-maemo-released-with-qt-46/
Apr 01 21:36:49 <woglinde_> as always
Apr 01 21:36:59 <woglinde_> bookmark http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs
Apr 01 21:37:54 <PhonicUK> windows 7 phone is a joke
Apr 01 21:38:13 <woglinde_> PhonicUK sure?
Apr 01 21:38:37 <PhonicUK> its all the worst things of the iphail + the worst things of winmo
Apr 01 21:38:54 <woglinde_> hm
Apr 01 21:39:00 <woglinde_> did you play with it?
Apr 01 21:39:05 <PhonicUK> not yet
Apr 01 21:39:13 <woglinde_> lol
Apr 01 21:39:41 <PhonicUK> not interested in any device that forces a single app store
Apr 01 21:39:56 <javispedro> we really, really, really need an "important announcements" blog, mailing list.
Apr 01 21:40:15 <PhonicUK> where the manufacturer says what they will and won't allow
Apr 01 21:40:20 <MohammadAG> ugh still not working
Apr 01 21:40:34 <PhonicUK> which is bs for devs and users
Apr 01 21:40:35 <javispedro> maybe even categorized -- extras uploaders list, general developer list, general user list.
Apr 01 22:08:39 <ea_suter> Hi, can anyone tell me when vdvsx is usually around?
Apr 01 22:09:18 <woglinde_> hm
Apr 01 22:09:26 <Arif_> hum...
Apr 01 22:09:39 <woglinde_> 10 a.m. to 6 p.m.
Apr 01 22:09:47 <ea_suter> thanks :)
Apr 01 22:09:51 <woglinde_> central europe time
Apr 01 22:10:07 <woglinde_> I seldom saw him in the late evening
Apr 01 22:13:48 <balazsbela> hey all
Apr 01 22:14:09 <balazsbela> I'm using the maemo sdk on xephyr, and I've been trying the qt devel examples
Apr 01 22:14:19 <balazsbela> as soon as I start them they turn sidewise
Apr 01 22:14:25 <balazsbela> like you would turn your phone
Apr 01 22:14:35 <balazsbela> this is a bit irritating on a laptop
Apr 01 22:14:45 <balazsbela> is there a way to make it turn back ?
Apr 01 22:15:16 <jacekowski> xrandr
Apr 01 22:16:36 <balazsbela> thanks
Apr 01 22:16:38 * balazsbela goes to read the manual
Apr 01 22:21:16 <MohammadAG> how do I check what's run at startup?
Apr 01 22:21:23 <MohammadAG> this issue is really annoying me
Apr 01 22:21:52 <javispedro> GOOD LORD.
Apr 01 22:22:02 <javispedro> it can't be.
Apr 01 22:23:36 <javispedro> lardman.. is NOT on the maemo.org frontpage!
Apr 01 22:24:02 <derf> Is the front page 404?
Apr 01 22:24:11 <derf> That's the only explanation I could think of.
Apr 01 22:24:38 <javispedro> no no, 200!
Apr 01 22:25:00 <javispedro> this must be the hidden maemo.org april fools.
Apr 01 22:25:22 <Pforce> april fools is over, at least in finland :)
Apr 01 22:25:35 <SpeedEvil> slashdot is fail today
Apr 01 22:26:01 * b-man17 loves what google did for April fool's day
Apr 01 22:26:17 * Arif_ hacks b-man17's Gml account
Apr 01 22:26:28 <SpeedEvil> coolest announce today was freeing of much ordnance survey data.
Apr 01 22:26:37 <SpeedEvil> maps and stuff of the uk
Apr 01 22:27:13 <Arif_> Nokia should have announced PR 2.0 for N900
Apr 01 22:27:14 <Arif_> :D
Apr 01 22:27:36 <SpeedEvil> http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/media/news/2010/April/OpenData.html
Apr 01 22:29:37 <b-man17> Arif_: rofl
Apr 01 22:33:32 <SpeedEvil> Arif_, PR1.2 for 3310
Apr 01 22:33:53 <Arif_> S40 ported to the N900
Apr 01 22:34:20 <javispedro> improving..
Apr 01 22:34:25 <Arif_> with snake multiplayer over IR \o/
Apr 01 22:43:31 * MohammadAG solved his volume key problem
Apr 01 22:43:49 <MohammadAG> seems to be either modified-hildon-desktop or keyboard-shortcuts
Apr 01 22:44:10 <MohammadAG> uninstalled both, purged them, then reinstall the media player after purging it
Apr 01 22:45:33 <Arif_> congrats
Apr 01 22:45:38 <Arif_> now you can change the volume !
Apr 01 22:47:24 <firestorm_> is there any mms software out there
Apr 01 22:47:50 <MohammadAG> Arif_, ain't that something :P
Apr 01 22:47:53 <MohammadAG> fmms
Apr 01 22:48:29 <lcuk> SpeedEvil, :) cool stuff
Apr 01 22:49:09 * Arif_ wonders why people use MMS
Apr 01 22:49:36 <ShadowJK> mostly because other people use mms
Apr 01 22:50:19 <Arif_> meh
Apr 01 22:50:31 <Arif_> I don't like people that can afford 0,50 EUR/mms :P
Apr 01 22:50:37 <lcuk> Arif_, there are more mms compatible mobile devices out there than there are email capable *and* configured
Apr 01 22:51:46 <lcuk> of course Arif_ what might be a cool feature of fmms would be to store a checkbox on the contact - "send mms by email"
Apr 01 22:51:55 <lcuk> to specific recipients :)
Apr 01 22:52:02 <Arif_> hehe
Apr 01 22:52:12 <Arif_> noone ever sent me an MMS *sob*
Apr 01 22:52:29 <javispedro> Arif_: lucky you. I only get spam MMS :'(
Apr 01 22:52:37 <Arif_> spam?
Apr 01 22:52:47 <Arif_> I never got spam on my phone in .nl
Apr 01 22:52:55 <firestorm_> mms is the way forward
Apr 01 22:52:58 <Arif_> in Turkey they abuse USSD to send spam :D
Apr 01 22:53:05 <tripzero> Arif_, what's you number.  i'll forward you osme
Apr 01 22:53:17 <Arif_> I wake up and get "DO YOU WANT TO ENABLE <insert lame service here>"
Apr 01 22:53:17 <firestorm_> e.g if i take a picture of something and want to send to a friend while out and about who doesn't have email on the phone
Apr 01 22:53:42 <tripzero> mms is old tech
Apr 01 22:53:45 <Arif_> tripzero, N900 doesn't support MMS !
Apr 01 22:53:56 <lcuk> tripzero, so are many things
Apr 01 22:54:03 <lcuk> just because its old doesnt mean its useless
Apr 01 22:54:04 <MaMaGoody> if i want more than 4 desktops i should use modified-hildon-desktop? I noticed that the package's status is removed, what does that mean?
Apr 01 22:54:07 <tripzero> and all those things should die
Apr 01 22:54:15 <firestorm_> it's fooking annoying, ok yer i like to send via email or upload to facebook but some cases not ideal
Apr 01 22:54:36 <tripzero> MMS - that thing you used to do before your phone had the internet
Apr 01 22:54:50 <tripzero> or MMS - that thing you do because your buddy doesn't have a phone with the internet
Apr 01 22:55:09 <firestorm_> so is there a app as it isn't ideal
Apr 01 22:55:17 <firestorm_> i wil be foced to use the g1 :(
Apr 01 22:55:21 <Arif_> fMMS
Apr 01 22:55:34 <firestorm_> ty :)
Apr 01 22:55:44 <firestorm_> and is it in app manager?
Apr 01 22:55:44 <Arif_> MohammadAG mentioned it up there somewhere
Apr 01 22:55:55 <firestorm_> sorry i'm on the good old xbox didn't notice it
Apr 01 22:56:04 <Arif_> I don't know what repo its in
Apr 01 22:56:35 <MohammadAG> devel i think
Apr 01 22:56:36 <Arif_> http://i48.tinypic.com/11gr8u8.jpg
Apr 01 22:56:38 <Arif_> lolwat
Apr 01 22:57:15 <Arif_> the DS has some weird games...
Apr 01 22:57:21 <firestorm_> hmm see i got devel added and can't see it in app manmager
Apr 01 22:57:40 <MohammadAG> fMMS
Apr 01 22:57:56 <MohammadAG> not sure but app manager could be case sensitive
Apr 01 22:58:04 <MohammadAG> though I highly doubt it
Apr 01 22:58:16 <MohammadAG> firestorm_, do you have rootsh installed?
Apr 01 22:58:25 <Arif_> no its not
Apr 01 22:58:34 <MohammadAG> thanks
Apr 01 22:58:47 <firestorm_> yer i do
Apr 01 22:59:00 <MohammadAG> close app manager and open terminal
Apr 01 22:59:04 <MohammadAG> type root, enter
Apr 01 22:59:10 <MohammadAG> then apt-get install fmms
Apr 01 23:02:04 <SpeedEvil> ewok bondage
Apr 01 23:02:13 <SpeedEvil> oops
Apr 01 23:02:32 <firestorm_> couldnt find package
Apr 01 23:03:00 <Arif_> try apt-get update
Apr 01 23:03:28 <Arif_> or add the repo properly
Apr 01 23:04:20 <firestorm_> nope no update
Apr 01 23:04:33 <firestorm_> i thought i did add the repo properly.... followed wiki
Apr 01 23:04:47 <Arif_> add both devel and testing to be sure then
Apr 01 23:12:21 <firestorm_> added still nowt :(
Apr 01 23:13:43 <firestorm_> :(
Apr 01 23:15:06 <Arif_> download>install the deb manually
Apr 01 23:15:45 <firestorm_> juat did apt-get update and we update
Apr 01 23:15:49 <firestorm_> did install and nothing
Apr 01 23:17:20 <firestorm_> how do i do that Arif_  sorry bit dumb on linux
Apr 01 23:17:38 <Arif_> so you installed fmms?
Apr 01 23:17:41 <Arif_> or not?
Apr 01 23:17:41 <Arif_> :D
Apr 01 23:18:21 <firestorm_> no i ain't
Apr 01 23:18:35 <firestorm_> it  package fails when o do apt-get install gmms
Apr 01 23:18:36 <firestorm_> fmms*
Apr 01 23:18:57 * Arif_ has no idea where fmms is located and is too lazy to find it
Apr 01 23:19:04 <firestorm_> :(
Apr 01 23:19:15 <MohammadAG> firestorm_, cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
Apr 01 23:19:22 <MohammadAG> pastebin the output
Apr 01 23:19:34 <Arif_> I'm trying to find a DSi XL in white
Apr 01 23:19:59 <MohammadAG> get any colour then spray it
Apr 01 23:20:13 <Arif_> neh
Apr 01 23:20:23 <Arif_> can't be bothered unscrew it to fix the speakers :p
Apr 01 23:20:42 <firestorm_> how can i pastbin from my phone.
Apr 01 23:20:48 <MohammadAG> cover them before spraying
Apr 01 23:20:56 <MohammadAG> firestorm_, use the browser?
Apr 01 23:21:06 <firestorm_> lol suppose :p
Apr 01 23:21:08 <MohammadAG> or install pastebinit
Apr 01 23:21:22 <firestorm_> epic!!!!! pastebin on phone didn't know that
Apr 01 23:21:43 <Arif_> MohammadAG, yeah great idea to suggest an app to someone who hasn't managed to install an app :P
Apr 01 23:21:56 <MohammadAG> Arif_, thanks
Apr 01 23:22:24 <firestorm_> he has got a good point lol
Apr 01 23:24:08 <firestorm_> this phone is wank lol can't install fook all from terminal :(
Apr 01 23:24:40 <Arif_> yeah blame the phone :(
Apr 01 23:24:53 <firestorm_> it probs is a user error though
Apr 01 23:25:10 <firestorm_> surley if i dont apt-get update should have all the latest packages
Apr 01 23:26:36 <firestorm_> i need to ssh into phone it's easier
Apr 01 23:28:07 <MohammadAG> Arif_, do you use zoutube?
Apr 01 23:28:15 <Arif_> no
Apr 01 23:28:23 <Arif_> me not like
Apr 01 23:28:33 <MohammadAG> :/
Apr 01 23:28:34 <Arif_> needs a sort by date feature
Apr 01 23:28:45 <MohammadAG> thinking that the new youtube broke it
Apr 01 23:28:57 <Arif_> I have it installed though
Apr 01 23:28:58 * Arif_ tries
Apr 01 23:29:13 <MohammadAG> thanks
Apr 01 23:30:54 <Arif_> the circle at the top keeps spinning....
Apr 01 23:31:13 <Arif_> and nothing happens
Apr 01 23:31:35 <MohammadAG> yep, it's broken
Apr 01 23:31:38 <firestorm_> getting ip address ifconfig?
Apr 01 23:31:45 <MohammadAG> ~curse youtube
Apr 01 23:31:46 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, youtube !
Apr 01 23:31:56 <MohammadAG> firestorm_, yeah
Apr 01 23:31:57 <Arif_> use the browser
Apr 01 23:32:04 <Arif_> which has a very old version of flash!
Apr 01 23:32:26 <MohammadAG> Arif_, i want to download a vid
Apr 01 23:32:32 <Arif_> mh
Apr 01 23:32:39 <Arif_> I use the PC for that
Apr 01 23:35:11 <MohammadAG> Arif_, cba to reach for my laptop :P
Apr 01 23:35:32 <Arif_> ;>
Apr 01 23:35:43 <Arif_> mytube?
Apr 01 23:36:59 * firestorm_ thinks trying to read x term at 1am in the morning is hard work on his poor little eyes
Apr 01 23:37:27 <Arif_> set the font size to 36
Apr 01 23:37:27 <Arif_> :D
Apr 01 23:38:06 <firestorm_> thats cheating :p
Apr 01 23:42:32 <firestorm_> did they ever make open ssh for windows
Apr 01 23:42:34 <firestorm_> ?
Apr 01 23:43:08 <Arif_> yes
Apr 01 23:44:27 <corecode> honestly, all this nokia software development is probably close to as shitty as apple's
Apr 01 23:44:44 <Arif_> true, why?
Apr 01 23:44:47 <Arif_> =p
Apr 01 23:44:55 <firestorm_> deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./
Apr 01 23:44:57 <firestorm_> MohammadAG:
Apr 01 23:45:12 <firestorm_> the G1 software isn't to bad tbh
Apr 01 23:45:29 <corecode> they don't seem to know how to do open source software development
Apr 01 23:45:36 <Arif_> no wonder you can't find fMMS :D
Apr 01 23:45:47 <firestorm_> deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./
Apr 01 23:45:55 <corecode> now modest uses some hildon2 features that don't exist
Apr 01 23:46:00 <firestorm_> deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/203 ./
Apr 01 23:46:05 <corecode> what's that supposed to be?
Apr 01 23:46:29 <Arif_> corecode, they should release bugs when they're fixed?
Apr 01 23:46:30 <Arif_> :)
Apr 01 23:47:10 <corecode> they should develop software either in one big synchronized repo system
Apr 01 23:47:26 <corecode> or so that it is compatible with other versions
Apr 01 23:48:01 <Arif_> maybe its their first try ={
Apr 01 23:48:12 <corecode> sure
Apr 01 23:48:27 <corecode> could ask somebody who knows how to deal with it?
Apr 01 23:48:52 <Arif_> and get off their comfy chairs?
Apr 01 23:49:37 <corecode> it's not really their first try, is it
Apr 01 23:49:50 <corecode> maemo exists for several years now
Apr 01 23:50:17 <Arif_> the earlier versions were only owned by a handful of people, so they didn't exactly bother I guess
Apr 01 23:50:19 <firestorm_> what annoys me the most is lack of pc suite support or even ovi suite
Apr 01 23:51:38 <corecode> oh well
Apr 01 23:51:54 <corecode> what is hildon2
Apr 01 23:52:00 <corecode> and am i using it already?
Apr 01 23:52:18 <fabiosl> where can I find Maemo's template for GSoC 2010?
Apr 01 23:52:37 <fabiosl> oh... just found it
Apr 01 23:52:39 <fabiosl> ;D
Apr 01 23:53:58 <Arif_> what are you planning to make? :D
Apr 01 23:54:07 <corecode> i?
Apr 01 23:54:22 <Arif_> you're entering too?
Apr 01 23:54:49 <corecode> no
Apr 01 23:54:52 <viraptor_> does anyone know how hard is it to get into extra-devel / extra? a lot of work or just following the main rules?
Apr 01 23:54:54 <corecode> i just want to get modest to compile
Apr 01 23:55:16 <Arif_> well, have fun with that
Apr 01 23:55:18 * Arif_ goes to sleep
Apr 01 23:55:33 <corecode> :/
Apr 02 00:00:49 <ds3> hmmm... is there a way short of iptables to get the default apps to not go connecting out w/o asking first?
Apr 02 00:01:01 <ds3> this is on the N900
Apr 02 00:01:58 <corecode> disable automatic network selection?
Apr 02 00:02:20 <ds3> no, the network part... the apps part
Apr 02 00:02:43 <ds3> like the app mgr (or is proxy) would go probe for updates and looks like media player will insist on doing CDDB or equiv queries
Apr 02 00:03:16 <ds3> found something for gconf to disable it for the updates
Apr 02 00:12:23 * MohammadAG seems to have installed gcc on the N900
Apr 02 00:12:56 <MohammadAG> wow, only 70% used on /, not much since it was about 67 before the install
Apr 02 00:28:10 <JakubS_> does n900 media player create any log? i am trying to play http source (via dlna) and i get 'unsupported' error. however on command line gst-launch playbin2 uri=<http uri> works ok
Apr 02 00:39:40 <MohammadAG> JakubS_, try launching the mediaplayer from terminal
Apr 02 00:53:26 <JakubS_> hm, 'mediaplayer' just hangs (does not show a window), mediaplayer.launch immediately segfaults. how do i launch it?
Apr 02 00:55:06 <MohammadAG> JakubS_, lemme check, I turned off the N900 a while ago
Apr 02 00:57:45 <MohammadAG> not working here too...
Apr 02 00:59:04 <JakubS_> strange thing is, that user-agent shows that gstreamer is used as http source. gstreamer renderer uses playbin2 and my source definitely works with gst-launch and playbin2 :-(
Apr 02 00:59:39 <JakubS_> this is supposed to be streamed from dlna server
Apr 02 01:13:13 <JakubS_> after restarting renderer in command line it actually started working. I guess it just needed restart to notice my messing with gstreamer plugins
Apr 02 01:24:41 <johnx> Is everyone here done with the April 1st madness?
Apr 02 01:29:25 <jaem_n900> 'afternoon
Apr 02 01:29:58 <johnx> mornin'
Apr 02 01:31:48 <JakubS_> almost morning... good night everybody
Apr 02 01:31:53 <jaem_n900> night
Apr 02 01:32:08 <jaem_n900> @JakubS_, that is
Apr 02 01:32:29 <jaem_n900> hmm... has anyone made a build of checkinstall for Maemo yet?
Apr 02 01:32:51 <jaem_n900> it occurred to me that that would be nicer for test builds than tar'ing everything
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