**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 04 02:59:58 2010 Apr 04 04:20:57 hello room Apr 04 04:21:42 Hello bullet` Apr 04 04:21:59 hi Apr 04 04:56:36 Hello all. I'm trying to flash my n800 under Ubuntu Lucid, and I keep getting a "Device or Resource Busy." I've tried the modprobe -r cdc_phonet specified on the wiki. Any ideas? Apr 04 05:04:40 interesting http://www.mrgadget.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ironman.jpg Apr 04 05:41:38 wb wazd Apr 04 05:42:36 Stskeeps: heya :) Apr 04 05:43:01 how's stuff? Apr 04 05:45:21 Stskeeps: want to sleep so much :P Apr 04 05:45:43 Stskeeps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZYMpudRSdk seen that? :) Apr 04 05:49:38 your work? :P Apr 04 05:50:15 also, that's a mighty waste of screen estate.. Apr 04 05:51:41 Stskeeps: well, it looks cool for the ad, but since video samples are like 5 secs long - not sure that they will not become boring after 30 minutes :) Apr 04 05:52:07 hehe Apr 04 05:52:22 unless they show a live camera from where it does rain ;) Apr 04 05:55:03 wazd: saw the jogglers are down at 49 pound now btw? Apr 04 05:55:20 Stskeeps: I'm thinking on how to emulate "live picture" btw :) Apr 04 05:56:11 Stskeeps: the who? :D Apr 04 05:56:25 http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/646001/o2-joggler-49-99-now-with-free-app- Apr 04 05:56:29 hackable to run linux :P Apr 04 05:56:58 oh Apr 04 05:57:33 plugging into DC only though Apr 04 05:57:50 1.6ghz atom pc, 7" 800x480 capactivie screen, 512mb ram Apr 04 05:58:08 usb plug, ethernet, wifi, mono speakers and speaker output plug Apr 04 05:58:38 Stskeeps: hmm-hmm :P Apr 04 05:58:46 runs Mer .. ;) Apr 04 06:01:30 i'm personally worried about russian shipping though :P Apr 04 06:02:01 Stskeeps: it looks like it's desktop only terminal though :) Apr 04 06:03:24 it is without battery, yes Apr 04 06:03:28 but extremely useful for prototyping Apr 04 06:20:53 Stskeeps: well, nothing is better for prototyping than actual hardware :P Apr 04 06:39:30 why is my N900 disconnects so much from gtalk/skype? Apr 04 06:39:48 it's not bad connectivity - the device is ~4 meters away from the router Apr 04 06:39:52 even less Apr 04 06:40:41 i think there's a bad timeout somewhere Apr 04 06:40:54 anything I can investigate? Apr 04 06:41:02 I think it's sucking useless battery Apr 04 06:57:37 LiraNuna, battery doesnät have anything to do with that problem Apr 04 06:58:54 and well, it doesn't guarantee anything if you're located 1m or 20m from the router, there are plenty of places to look problems, and quite certainly the problem isn't your n900 Apr 04 07:01:29 * RobbieAB has similar problems with his 3G connection Apr 04 07:02:08 But as Pidgin didn't experience them, I assumed it was related to an overly sensitive instant messenger. Apr 04 07:02:19 in case of wlan first guess is crappy wlan ap, in case of 3g crappy operator network Apr 04 07:03:12 live cellular networks are so crappu that most people can't even imagine how much data get's lost on them Apr 04 07:03:54 Surfa: Probably. But as I said, Pidgin doesn't get disconnected from the same IM network Apr 04 07:04:21 it's still not the reason for problems :) Apr 04 07:05:35 Surfa: MSN works perfectly from pidgin and not from the default IM program is NOT an indicator that it's not JUST a network problem? Apr 04 07:06:08 (Don't get me started on using the "Purple protocols" in the instant messenger) Apr 04 07:06:43 pidgin has just hidden the real problems from you, it doesn't necessarily make it work any better Apr 04 07:07:13 you may e.g. lose messages silently or similar, even that it appears to work correctly Apr 04 07:07:26 in case of wlan first guess is crappy wlan ap, in case of 3g crappy operator network Apr 04 07:07:35 I don't think my AP is 'crappy' Apr 04 07:07:43 And the same connection works fine in a 3G modem on a laptop? Apr 04 07:07:45 and it's constant disconnection Apr 04 07:08:04 at a semi-static rate Apr 04 07:08:07 ~10 minutes or so Apr 04 07:08:23 LiraNuna, sounds like some nat keepalive problem Apr 04 07:09:25 RobbieAB, it's really easy to blame application for such problems, but quite often the problem isn't where it SEEMS to be.. not you or I can tell anything with this amount of information Apr 04 07:09:49 we'd need packet captures and other debugging information to be sure what the real problem is Apr 04 07:10:20 Surfa: I am aware of that, but... It LOOKS like it's the application flagging accounts offline when the actual account has a longer timeout than the connection drop. Apr 04 07:10:25 LiraNuna, what brand is your wlan ap? Apr 04 07:10:42 WRT350N Apr 04 07:10:47 Which might make sense actually, if it's dealing with voice as opposed to text by default. Apr 04 07:10:48 I happen to know that e.g. linksys is really crappy with it's nat implementation Apr 04 07:10:58 it's running dd-wrt Apr 04 07:11:36 Surfa, hw or software? Apr 04 07:11:41 how old is your ap, I got mine broken with similar symptoms just after warranty went out :) Apr 04 07:11:54 linksys whatever model, i can't remember Apr 04 07:11:57 ~8 months? Apr 04 07:12:11 it's not new, but not old either Apr 04 07:12:34 LiraNuna, sw at least, and personal experiences about the hw aren't very impressive either Apr 04 07:12:49 do you have same problem with 3g? Apr 04 07:12:49 I never had network problems Apr 04 07:12:52 or gprs? Apr 04 07:12:53 Surfa, yes Apr 04 07:13:12 ok, same isp on both or different? Apr 04 07:13:22 T-mobile vs Comcast Apr 04 07:13:52 hm ok, it could be worth investigating Apr 04 07:14:36 and at my workplace, where HSPDA is available (shows up as 3.5) happens as well Apr 04 07:14:41 if connectivity problems happen on different radiolinks and operators then most probable problems are out of question Apr 04 07:14:43 full reception Apr 04 07:15:07 it gets annoying when I sleep Apr 04 07:15:16 there's a small sound when you go off and on Apr 04 07:15:43 someone could try to file a bug or try to check if it could be made less sensitive for network problems Apr 04 07:16:01 I don't want to file a bug for something I can't prove Apr 04 07:16:21 Surfa: Surely sensitivity to problems has an impact on VoIP quality? Apr 04 07:16:21 someone Apr 04 07:16:23 not you Apr 04 07:16:40 oh kay... Apr 04 07:16:45 RobbieAB, most likely yes Apr 04 07:17:21 there needs to be some compromise between sensitivity and qos Apr 04 07:17:43 but well, if this is problem for multiple people it should be checked :) Apr 04 07:18:36 Well, I can confirm that I have had problems with MSN (Pecan) when Pidgin works fine with no noticeable interruptions. Apr 04 07:19:16 Being me, I just stuck with pidgin for my IM needs, as I prefer the interface anyway for chatting. Apr 04 07:19:38 LiraNuna, what im did you say you had problems? Apr 04 07:19:51 gtalk and msn? could it be pecan related issue? Apr 04 07:19:53 I also had the problem with Skype. :D Apr 04 07:20:00 I don't know for sure - it says "one or more accounts" :/ Apr 04 07:20:02 ok :) Apr 04 07:20:21 But as Pidgin don't do Skype, I just sucked that one down. Apr 04 07:21:04 Also, the protocols for purple didn't seem to work, but I never pursued that (yet) Apr 04 07:37:38 any way to convert the LedPatthernEditor N900 application and make work whit N810 -Diablo? cause its suppose to be the same event and rgb led so if its faisable...let me know i come later see archive channel for wish responce Apr 04 07:38:08 * RobbieAB is finally getting his SDK set-up. Apr 04 07:38:25 Than I will probably discover how horrible working with this kernel is. :D Apr 04 07:55:02 Howdy! Quick question: does "Nokia Communication Center" in PC Suite allow you to send/receive SMS on your PC? It doesn't seem to work for me... Apr 04 07:55:52 * RobbieAB hopes kernel-source gives the correct kernel source code. Apr 04 07:58:38 It looks like my question was solved with a more specific search on the t.m.o forums. Apr 04 08:03:12 lol :P Apr 04 08:21:35 hi there ! I played maybe too much with the extras-devel repo, so now I would like to go back with a more standard n900. What good advice do I have to keep in mind to properly switch back to a factory config ? Apr 04 08:22:41 Hmm... install the kernel source doesn't seem to bring in the kernel config :( Apr 04 08:22:51 rom1dep: Apr 04 08:22:58 ~flashing Apr 04 08:22:59 i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Apr 04 08:23:47 'am reading, thanks Stskeeps ! Apr 04 08:31:15 wow. Insannne. Apr 04 08:31:39 Everything off, SIM out, mmc out just bq running - 4.5mA@4.1V Apr 04 08:32:55 bad or good? Apr 04 08:33:03 insanely good Apr 04 08:33:21 nokia is good at power savings traditionally Apr 04 08:33:26 1200/5 hours standby Apr 04 08:33:51 10 days Apr 04 08:35:03 :nod: Apr 04 08:35:48 can I trigger a shot in the default photo app through dbus? Apr 04 08:39:04 you can 'easily' take pics with gst-streamer Apr 04 08:39:10 not default Apr 04 09:30:55 SpeedEvil: 10 days is not that insanely good Apr 04 09:31:08 my watch seems to last years off a much weaker battery ;) Apr 04 09:31:36 :) Apr 04 09:31:54 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption#Some_preliminary_numbers_using_bq27200. Apr 04 09:33:27 SpeedEvil: SIGSTOP BME and such? Apr 04 09:33:37 lcuk, are you around? :D Apr 04 09:33:44 SpeedEvil, thanks, that's an interesting wiki page. Apr 04 09:33:47 (obviously remove it from AC first) Apr 04 09:34:24 w00t_, or possibly even better, are you around? :D Apr 04 09:35:22 SpeedEvil, am I reading that correctly, 3G is 5 *amps* ? Apr 04 09:35:38 no Apr 04 09:35:55 +5 what, then? Apr 04 09:36:10 what is bq27200? Apr 04 09:36:17 mA Apr 04 09:36:22 the charge meter chip Apr 04 09:36:25 Ken-Young: reload Apr 04 09:37:23 SpeedEvil: I'm trying to take a photo with gstreamer. how do I get the automatic brightness adjustment? Apr 04 09:37:36 dunno Apr 04 09:37:54 speed - gstreamer in xterm? Apr 04 09:37:55 luke-jr: no. Apr 04 09:38:03 i opened the buffers longer to get better lightin Apr 04 09:38:04 g Apr 04 09:38:14 luke-jr: this is simply 'stock' device so far Apr 04 09:38:26 luke-jr: no smartreflex, no killing shit. Apr 04 09:39:57 SpeedEvil, gst-launch v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video0 num-buffers=100 ! dspjpegenc ! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/fcamtest.jpg - works fine for me, unless you are trying to do something more specific? (also which cam?) Apr 04 09:40:05 noobmonk3y: I wasn't Apr 04 09:40:10 oh ok:P Apr 04 09:40:17 sorry koala_man Apr 04 09:40:18 lol Apr 04 09:40:21 iomg i'm not awake Apr 04 09:40:29 * noobmonk3y apologises! Apr 04 09:40:36 * SpeedEvil pours ice-cream over noobmonk3y. Apr 04 09:40:49 * noobmonk3y giggles... and gets back to figuring out the proximity sensor Apr 04 09:42:11 xchat on 3g witth regular activity shows 230mA for me :) Apr 04 09:42:39 I believe that Apr 04 09:42:49 I've not done 3G tests yet Apr 04 09:42:56 as that would involve getting off the sofa Apr 04 09:43:05 lol i'm on 3g joiku at the mo Apr 04 09:43:09 need something tested? Apr 04 09:43:17 naah Apr 04 09:43:30 * noobmonk3y gets back to self-ice-cream-smothering Apr 04 09:43:34 the interesting parts from me are the aboce page pretty much Apr 04 09:44:25 4.5mA idle, 1.5mA more powersaving wifi on, 50mA more on screen on, up to 80mA more on backlight. Apr 04 09:44:30 for me Apr 04 09:44:37 s/from me/for me/ Apr 04 09:46:23 It shows that further optimisation of the idle power isn't a priority. (for me). Apr 04 09:46:32 But that getting it to stay idle is. Apr 04 09:47:38 I've been saying all along that it's all about the wakeups ;) Apr 04 09:48:37 I disagree. Apr 04 09:48:43 It's about important wakeups. Apr 04 09:49:06 Some have little impact on poweruse Apr 04 09:49:20 Any wakeup has an impact on power use. Apr 04 09:49:27 Nope. Apr 04 09:49:41 Not if it's immediately following a previous one, and the hardware hasn't gone back to sleep. Apr 04 09:49:47 In that case, it can be almost free. Apr 04 09:49:56 SpeedEvil, hair splitting. Apr 04 09:50:04 But true. Apr 04 09:50:19 It's absolutely _NOT_ hairsplitting Apr 04 09:50:32 A simple wakeups/second will utterly mislead you in some cases. Apr 04 09:51:02 As 10 wakeups in a millisecond are much less expensive than 5 wakeups spread over a second Apr 04 09:51:23 SpeedEvil, I consider a wakeup something you do from sleep. If the device is not in sleep when there's something to do, it's not a wakeup in these terms. But you might have a different definition. Apr 04 09:52:02 I'm using the definition of 'a hardware or software interrupt that causes the device to wakeup and do something' Apr 04 09:52:23 which is what powertop et al use - AIUI Apr 04 09:52:26 How do I save a file edited using vi FILENAME? :P Apr 04 09:52:30 wakeups are not strictly wakeups Apr 04 09:52:34 * ShadowJK wonders what standby is like with sleep-when-idle off Apr 04 09:52:36 marcus: esc ZZ Apr 04 09:52:47 Double Z? Apr 04 09:52:51 yes Apr 04 09:52:54 SpeedEvil, ok. I'm not able to wake up if I'm not asleep, but PowerTop might disagree then. :-) Apr 04 09:52:57 cheers Apr 04 09:53:27 marcus, :wq does the same thing. Apr 04 09:53:31 Terje: yes - it's a sloppy definition used by powertop et al, but I understand measuring the proper thing - actual wakeups - requires lots more kernel Apr 04 09:53:40 marcus, if you just want to save, not quit, say ":w". Apr 04 09:53:45 Terje: the keyboard is clearly designed so ZZ is the correct one. Apr 04 09:53:55 Terje: lots more kernel hackery Apr 04 09:55:12 SpeedEvil, time for somebody to do some coding then. Apr 04 09:55:23 yes Apr 04 09:55:33 Terje: How do I make the : ? Apr 04 09:56:49 marcus, you probably have a Scandinavian keyboard, so FN-L. FN is the button with blue arrow. Apr 04 09:57:12 Terje: Indeed, question is though, if I have to write the :w like if was I was editing the file? Apr 04 09:57:28 What would be ideal would be some way of accounting all this shit. For example - an incoming tcp/ip packet. It gets assigned a cost as it comes out of the wifi/3g adaptor as to how much energy was used to recieve it. This cost then gets assigned to Xchat - as it hits the application layer. With all the wakeups and stuff counted. Apr 04 09:57:34 but that is _hard_ Apr 04 09:57:37 I dunno how to enter command mode :P Apr 04 09:57:41 So you get a true powertop Apr 04 09:57:47 Aha! Escape button! Apr 04 09:57:48 where xchat is listed as 34mW Apr 04 09:57:55 marcus, : enters the command mode. Apr 04 09:57:59 does anyone know how to do a < or > on the n900 keyboard in maemo 5? Apr 04 09:58:25 nocturnal: it's in symbols Apr 04 09:58:28 nocturnal: Blue Arrow + button above it I assume Apr 04 09:58:45 nocturnal: hold blue arrow, press button above it, release button above it, release blue arrow Apr 04 09:58:53 press > Apr 04 09:59:08 press it again because it lit up, but does not do anything Apr 04 09:59:14 ooooh wow Apr 04 09:59:14 sigh at ineptitude of coding. Apr 04 09:59:22 this is the first time i see the on screen keyboard Apr 04 09:59:25 oh crap Apr 04 09:59:37 i just edited the boot video, and now it displays my new one and the old one? o.o Apr 04 09:59:44 after the first one -> the hands one come Apr 04 09:59:49 edited how? Apr 04 10:00:05 pasted the .avi file into /usr/share/hildon-welcome/media/ Apr 04 10:00:21 edited (via vi) /etc/hildon-welcome.d/default.conf Apr 04 10:00:25 I backupped the old on first Apr 04 10:00:33 so I have default.conf and backupdefault.conf in same dir Apr 04 10:00:40 SpeedEvil, that's be an awesome tool. Also does the same about all other hardware state changes. Apr 04 10:04:08 AHA! v2- Go to /etc/hildon-welcome.d/ and edit the default.conf file or create a similar one (the videos will play by the alphabetic order of the .conf files) Apr 04 10:04:42 so I should delete backupdefault.conf? Apr 04 10:05:39 hehe if you want to annoy a friend you load all 3 LOTR films on his device and configure them as bootvideo :) Apr 04 10:06:07 hmmmmmm i wonder if there is a way with joikuspot to force people to a local web page on initial load? like a web cafe etc? Apr 04 10:06:08 Epic Bootsequence [tm] Apr 04 10:06:15 marcus, move to another folder. Apr 04 10:06:21 cehteh: that would just be mean :D Apr 04 10:06:58 Terje: Possible by making a new folder _inside_ hildon-welcome.d? Apr 04 10:07:28 marcus, try it. Either it'll work or then your device will not boot anymore. Apr 04 10:07:34 ._. Apr 04 10:07:37 ._. Apr 04 10:07:37 Oops, change that. Don't try it. :-) Apr 04 10:07:38 ah, the overclocking thread... 950MHz Apr 04 10:07:59 Terje: Guess I just move it to home/usr/MyDocs/backup Apr 04 10:08:22 marcus, a good idea. Apr 04 10:10:09 Terje: Oh crapzor, didnt work ._. Apr 04 10:10:19 could someone please help? - figured out how to get keypress events in pyqt, using def keyPressEvent(self, event): , i also know how to read the proximity sensor in dbus, but can i set that as a similar event? ie use the proximity sensor instead of a key? Apr 04 10:10:21 Hmm, got another idea. Apr 04 10:10:30 pyqt* Apr 04 10:10:57 (and have tried #qt-maemo - no-one in ;) ) Apr 04 10:12:01 cehteh, i think debbie does dallas on loop 50+ times should be entertaining, especially if that friend happens to be turning his phone on during church etc ;) Apr 04 10:15:42 TTE playing mp3 through alsa with a couple webpages open and irssi running and screen off says about 900 minutes :) Apr 04 10:15:49 Say I'm in /usr/share/bla/ to copy a file called test.html, how would I cp that from the same directory, to /home/usr/MyDocs/? It would be something acoording to the lines: "cp test.html but_what_about_here Apr 04 10:19:12 humm, seems I can't flash my n900 ... Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy Apr 04 10:19:45 marcus: cp test.html /home/user/MyDocs/ Apr 04 10:20:09 pupnik_: wouldn't that make the cmd think that I wanted it to go to /usr/share/bla/home/user/MyDocs/? Apr 04 10:20:18 no Apr 04 10:20:48 goodie Apr 04 10:20:56 assuming you meant s/wouldn't/would :) Apr 04 10:22:24 so what can I do now ? Apr 04 10:24:19 hmm, for some reason the mediaplayer can't find any media anymore... Apr 04 10:24:35 no videos and no music... Apr 04 10:24:55 rom1dep: Quote from wiki: If you get "Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy" error, as root, run "modprobe -r cdc_phonet" Apr 04 10:25:04 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Apr 04 10:25:16 is this behaviour known? Apr 04 10:28:53 humm shame on me, I missed it... thanks marcus ! Apr 04 10:29:03 rom1dep: No problem (: Apr 04 10:38:18 just another dumb question... has pr 1.2 been officialy landed ? Apr 04 10:38:37 no Apr 04 10:38:56 I see no such update available when I manually check it up with hildon-appmanager Apr 04 10:39:01 ok... Apr 04 10:39:53 hmmm# Apr 04 10:40:04 no you Apr 04 10:40:12 am i back? Apr 04 10:40:12 lol Apr 04 10:40:12 joiku had a hissyfit Apr 04 10:40:26 ~ping Apr 04 10:40:27 ~pong Apr 04 10:40:29 ~pong Apr 04 10:40:30 ~ping Apr 04 10:41:14 isn't that great oO Apr 04 10:43:17 * noobmonk3y_ blinks Apr 04 10:43:21 ~ping Apr 04 10:43:22 ~pong Apr 04 10:43:24 ~pong Apr 04 10:43:25 ~ping Apr 04 10:44:36 wow that ws slow for me :| Apr 04 11:07:11 * noobmonk3y prods lcuk Apr 04 11:10:06 hmmm anyone using usb networking? Apr 04 11:10:11 connected to the net fine on it Apr 04 11:10:22 but would like to use winscp to transfer files :D Apr 04 11:10:49 (I know i can use knokia file suite thingy, or explore, but its a bit of a farse compared with winscp) Apr 04 11:11:09 noobmonk3y: you need to install the openssh-server. Apr 04 11:11:15 lol got that Apr 04 11:11:17 all works fine Apr 04 11:11:23 question is more around ip's Apr 04 11:11:36 lappy seems to have an external ip , not an internal one like when i use joiku Apr 04 11:11:48 you need to set it up with ifconfig. Apr 04 11:12:08 hmm... Apr 04 11:12:40 Does bluetooth use more or less power than wifi? Apr 04 11:13:00 They(tm) say bt needs less. Apr 04 11:13:32 so pretty much http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48992&highlight=ifconfig+usb Apr 04 11:13:37 hmmmm Apr 04 11:13:52 Treibholz: that's what I thought. Apr 04 11:14:05 noobmonk3y: so what exactly doesn't work? Apr 04 11:14:21 I was wondering if I was being an idiot trying to set up BT PAN Access Point mode on my N900 Apr 04 11:15:35 Treibholz, - normally i winscp to my device on joiku connection using the 192 address, i'm assuming the public 10. address i'm connected to now via Nokia suite will not work in the same way Apr 04 11:16:20 what is joiku? Apr 04 11:16:26 wireless hotspot :D Apr 04 11:16:40 works well, but - bit flakey at times, so usb should be more stable Apr 04 11:17:21 noobmonk3y: It sounds like the USB is acting as a modem, and not as a network router. Apr 04 11:17:29 yeah i think so...... Apr 04 11:17:36 gonna try and follow http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48992&highlight=ifconfig+usb Apr 04 11:17:44 but no idea what dropbear is :P Apr 04 11:17:53 dropbear is an ssh-server Apr 04 11:17:56 dropbear is an embedded SSH server. Apr 04 11:18:03 designed to be lightweight. Apr 04 11:18:09 hmmmm so not the same as the openssh server i have atm Apr 04 11:18:27 but you don't want dropbear Apr 04 11:18:31 No, it's not. Apr 04 11:18:32 you want openssh Apr 04 11:18:44 Depends what you are doing, dropbear has it's tradeoffs Apr 04 11:19:04 * RobbieAB has used dropbear sometimes Apr 04 11:19:05 RobbieAB: he wants WinSCP, so sftp would be great. Apr 04 11:19:30 and sftp is not included in dropbear Apr 04 11:19:32 lol might just turn joiku back on, just want to transfer files in the same way for an hour or so ;) Apr 04 11:19:36 Treibholz: Well, there is that. I did say there were tradeoffs. Apr 04 11:19:48 internet works fine, but coding in python, so constantly transfering a file across Apr 04 11:20:05 just gets tedioous using explorer etc Apr 04 11:20:08 noobmonk3y: If you have it hooked in by USB, can't you copy it across using the filemanager? Apr 04 11:20:25 yup can... but as i said, tedious compared the simple winscp drag across Apr 04 11:20:34 especially as it is very repetetive Apr 04 11:20:35 noobmonk3y: did you setup the network on the windows-side? (I assume you use windows...) Apr 04 11:20:40 Um, ok. Apr 04 11:20:53 Treibholz, windows 7 - no network, just connected via nokia suite atm Apr 04 11:21:10 * MohammadAG says hi Apr 04 11:21:12 so yes, i could do it another method, was just hoping it was possible to do it the same way :D Apr 04 11:21:15 * noobmonk3y waves at MohammadAG Apr 04 11:21:26 noobmonk3y: if you want to use a network-connection, you have to setup a network-connection. Apr 04 11:21:28 * RobbieAB wouldn't use WinSCP anyway. Apr 04 11:21:29 MohammadAG, figured out how to do the proximity part - just stuck on one part Apr 04 11:21:34 * MohammadAG waves back and says "I have a suggestion" Apr 04 11:21:41 what's the part? Apr 04 11:21:46 Treibholz, thankee for your help (and patience!) - but i'll just swap back to joiku :D Apr 04 11:21:58 lol Apr 04 11:44:59 morning noobmonk3y happy easter - i have been hibernating :) Apr 04 11:46:06 funky. 2g almost flat out is comparable with 5s pings only over 3.5g Apr 04 11:48:27 at 6s it should start dropping off ;) Apr 04 11:53:07 * noobmonk3y blinks Apr 04 11:53:08 ~ping Apr 04 11:53:09 ~pong Apr 04 11:53:15 yay Apr 04 11:53:19 infobot loves me Apr 04 11:53:20 Yes, I do love you! Apr 04 11:57:22 ShadowJK: I'm about to put up some numbers Apr 04 11:57:27 been multitasking Apr 04 11:59:17 http://tinypic.zapto.org/2kn4m8.png?t=1270381887 do my breasts look to big? Apr 04 12:00:10 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4488940691/ and power testing. Apr 04 12:00:20 railway sleepers are heavy Apr 04 12:03:26 SpeedEvil_, yeah they are very heavy Apr 04 12:03:42 especially with trains sleeping on them Apr 04 12:04:14 these have not been sleeping under trains for a while Apr 04 12:04:47 how long did it take you to cut the left hand one to size? Apr 04 12:11:35 60s Apr 04 12:11:38 powertools++ Apr 04 12:11:57 well - actually - more like 4 mins of buggering about Apr 04 12:13:07 heh SpeedEvil Apr 04 12:13:14 i would likely cut my leg off or something Apr 04 12:13:53 hi crashanddie \o Apr 04 12:15:33 yay tmo died Apr 04 12:15:56 noobmonk3y: sup Apr 04 12:16:15 yo lcuk Apr 04 12:16:21 hey w00t_ \o Apr 04 12:16:28 moin lcuk :) Apr 04 12:16:32 lcuk: I've decided to give my kids famous names... so I wouldn't forget 'em Apr 04 12:16:34 lol w00t_ np think i wracked my brains enough to figure it out :) - was trying to figure out if there is a dbus call state thing, similar to a keypress event ;) Apr 04 12:16:44 perhaps you can help guide noobmonk3y to making a new kind of signal/slot (or point him to existing api) Apr 04 12:16:48 w00t_, ^ Apr 04 12:16:49 lcuk, babysat me again and i'ma gonna hunt it down tonight Apr 04 12:17:02 lcuk: "Please meet my sons, Adolf, Manson and Mugabe" Apr 04 12:17:07 Shapeshifter, - yeah sorry, trying to conenct, think i killed it ;) Apr 04 12:17:42 crashanddie, *rolleyes* Apr 04 12:17:47 :D Apr 04 12:17:50 i named first son luke Apr 04 12:18:10 But I guess Tracy didn't go for Sky and Walker? Apr 04 12:18:18 if we had a girl next we were gonna call her leia Apr 04 12:18:41 lol Apr 04 12:19:11 lcuk: it's a good thing you didn't. Nobody knows how to spell Leya Apr 04 12:19:13 Leia Apr 04 12:19:16 Lea? Apr 04 12:19:25 layer Apr 04 12:19:25 * lcuk spelt it correctly :) Apr 04 12:19:30 ok Apr 04 12:19:36 layer, middle name cake? Apr 04 12:19:45 hann, fmms is always in extras-devel >.< Apr 04 12:19:54 oi! thats my potential daughter we are talking about Apr 04 12:21:14 You have no idea how annoying it is to have "How do you spell that?" as an answer to your name Apr 04 12:21:32 layer-cake-maemo-n900 Birkett? Apr 04 12:21:32 * SpeedEvil has a less-common variant. Apr 04 12:22:06 crashanddie, i have trouble spelling my own middle name! Apr 04 12:22:33 * lcuk has often gotten it wrong and had to cross it out on app forms :$ Apr 04 12:22:37 * noobmonk3y has to go play football - back in a bit ;) Apr 04 12:22:39 i use it so infrequently Apr 04 12:22:44 cya later noobmonk3y Apr 04 12:22:48 ciaooo Apr 04 12:22:56 lcuk: most forms don't have enough space to accomodate all of my names :) Apr 04 12:22:57 thanks lcuk / w00t_ / MohammadAG Apr 04 12:23:03 np :) Apr 04 12:23:35 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption#Some_preliminary_numbers_using_bq27200. Apr 04 12:23:43 numbers for 2/3g are in a good signal area Apr 04 12:24:34 that makes me really wish three offered 2G again :P Apr 04 12:25:23 they just use orange for 2g in the uk Apr 04 12:25:29 mostly gprs :/ Apr 04 12:25:41 good morning! Apr 04 12:29:22 mh. does someone know how I can make x2x share a clipboard? I'm running ssh -C foo@ip 'x2x -west -from :0' on my n900 and I can share the mouse and keyboard but I can't copy something on my desktop and paste in the CLI on the n900. Apr 04 12:29:31 s/-C/-X/ Apr 04 12:29:31 Shapeshifter meant: mh. does someone know how I can make x2x share a clipboard? I'm running ssh -X foo@ip 'x2x -west -from :0' on my n900 and I can share the mouse and keyboard but I can't copy something on my desktop and paste in the CLI on the n900. Apr 04 12:29:33 I'm suddenly getting input/output error in ESBox when trying to lauch app on device, have tried rebooting it ans hasnt helped, any ideas? Apr 04 12:29:39 infobot is such a spammer. Apr 04 12:38:41 Shapeshifter, but i so want that feature on my bot ;) Apr 04 12:59:48 @bowling and have strike already. bet this winning streak doesnt continud Apr 04 13:01:29 * MohammadAG built the latest version of PSX4ALL against a PR1.1.1 SDK, if anyone wants it... Apr 04 13:10:27 SpeedEvil: is it possible to configure screen brightness to off or how the 5 brightness settings map to real brightness levels in the hardware? Apr 04 13:11:40 .. possible in relation with the brightness sensor Apr 04 13:11:54 * cehteh doh's about closed source cruft Apr 04 13:16:22 Hi. On my N900, i have a certain app in the "More" section. How can i launch it from the terminal? Apr 04 13:16:51 tried: qtirreco, it says: qtirreco: not found Apr 04 13:17:24 also tried /etc/init.d/qtirreco start, also fails Apr 04 13:18:55 maybe its named differently qtirreco-bin or so .. try to find its '.desktop' file and investigate that Apr 04 13:19:05 thank you Apr 04 13:19:28 chadi: try qtir Apr 04 13:19:35 ir shoudl comlete the rest for you Apr 04 13:19:46 dan2003: does not show its rest... Apr 04 13:20:14 dan2003: also tried twice, in case there are several ones starting with qtir, none. Apr 04 13:20:42 cehteh: can you remind me where those .desktop files are located? i remember it was somewhere in /usr/hildon Apr 04 13:20:55 that woudl sugest it doesnt start qtir, maybe Qt ir just irec/Ire, also, if its not in the system PATH it wont work wihotut a full path to it, Apr 04 13:21:48 btw the ir daemon is a power hog, only turn it on when needed Apr 04 13:22:09 no i dont know where the desktop files are Apr 04 13:23:42 find /usr/share/ -name *.desktop Apr 04 13:24:17 /usr/share/applications/hildon/ Apr 04 13:24:42 find /usr/share/ -name *.desktop | grep ire Apr 04 13:25:35 ceh Apr 04 13:25:55 yes? Apr 04 13:26:13 yep Apr 04 13:26:16 found it Apr 04 13:26:35 exec=/opt/maemo/usr/bin/qtirreco .. doesn't this sound a bit weird? Apr 04 13:27:03 http://www.mauve.plus.com/backlight Apr 04 13:27:08 trivial script Apr 04 13:27:54 SpeedEvil: yes i know that, but i am more interested on a configuration/controlled way Apr 04 13:28:07 cehteh yeah, indeed, I won't use the IR all the time. I just want to test that app. It doesn't seem to work though Apr 04 13:28:14 like having the lowest backlight setting actually turning it off Apr 04 13:28:21 cehteh: ah Apr 04 13:28:39 cehteh: that would be good Apr 04 13:28:44 and the app doesn't even have debug mode :/ Apr 04 13:29:02 and if the ambient brightness is over a certain treshold then turn it off again too, in bright sunlight even the brightest setting cant compete with it. its just a waste of pwoer Apr 04 13:29:26 also the brightness sensor is bit overreacting here Apr 04 13:29:39 thats really for what i want such as open source Apr 04 13:29:51 speaking practically Apr 04 13:30:13 The differcne is not completely overwhelming Apr 04 13:30:30 difference between? Apr 04 13:30:31 it's maybe half power use at 100% brightness and screen active but nothing else Apr 04 13:31:01 at lowest brightness setting - it's probably in the noise, for most usecases Apr 04 13:31:15 yeah but still .. if you mount it on a bike or car dashboard at daytime it makes a difference Apr 04 13:31:26 not really. Apr 04 13:31:39 the backlight makes a big difference at some sun angles Apr 04 13:31:51 even though the brightness sensor is still pinned Apr 04 13:31:51 lowest brightness setting with very bright ambient light turns the brightness quite much up Apr 04 13:32:29 yep Apr 04 13:33:29 ~24h of book-reading or other low-cpu-use stuff is possible though Apr 04 13:33:30 SpeedEvil: that's too long Apr 04 13:33:35 with backlight off Apr 04 13:33:37 huh? Apr 04 13:33:38 oh Apr 04 13:33:43 * SpeedEvil stabs infobot. Apr 04 13:34:53 well 3hrs 3g and gps with a mapping app is possible too :P not enough for a bike ride Apr 04 13:38:42 that's kinda low Apr 04 13:41:01 http://apikabu.ru/img/MDYyNW.png Apr 04 13:41:06 * RST38h cackles Apr 04 13:41:36 ipad teardown? Apr 04 13:41:48 iPhone Apr 04 13:41:58 look again Apr 04 13:42:34 I don't get it. Apr 04 13:42:49 it's just a bigger iPhone Apr 04 13:42:51 (the iPad) Apr 04 13:42:57 Oh, OK. Apr 04 13:42:59 one ipad battery is as big as the iphone Apr 04 13:43:03 it might be a more intricate version of this april fools product Apr 04 13:43:03 except it's not a phone. Apr 04 13:43:05 http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/pad-dock/index.html Apr 04 13:43:30 oh it's an iPod Touch Apr 04 13:44:18 t-tan, ping Apr 04 13:44:22 They should just have an iPod touch and a fresnel lens. Apr 04 13:44:26 pong Apr 04 13:44:59 t-tan, how do I reflash a kernel on device, using flasher? Apr 04 13:45:32 what kind of kernel? self-compiled zImage? Apr 04 13:45:36 using flash twice .. one to try your kernel, the second time to unbrick it :) Apr 04 13:45:38 yeah Apr 04 13:45:44 ~closed Apr 04 13:45:45 it has been said that closed is http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages Apr 04 13:46:12 cehteh, the kernel can be reflashed OTA, I just don't know how :) Apr 04 13:46:24 kernel-flasher-maemo does it, as well as kernel-flasher Apr 04 13:47:32 fiasco-gen -o zImage.fiasco -g -k zImage -v $(RELEASE) Apr 04 13:47:46 with sdk-fiasco-gen installed Apr 04 13:48:09 then /sbin/fiasco-image-update zImage.fiasco Apr 04 13:49:00 can I ask questions about N900 here? Apr 04 13:49:31 chadi, Yes. Apr 04 13:49:53 t-tan, that's for flashing a kernel? Apr 04 13:49:55 sdk-fiasco-gen - Utility for generating FIASCO images Apr 04 13:50:06 I would like to change the boot screen, but I need a media that can be played by the device. What file format and encoding whould I use? Apr 04 13:50:16 XviD Apr 04 13:50:19 tried avi with H.264, it said media not supported Apr 04 13:50:19 yes, for on device. via USB use the flasher-3.5 Apr 04 13:50:36 MohammadAG: which kernel bricked your N900? Apr 04 13:50:46 I know about the USB method, just wanted to know how to flash OTA Apr 04 13:50:50 t-tan, none :) Apr 04 13:51:14 by the way, MohammadAG, aren'tyou the guy who posted the 1.2 screenshots? :) Apr 04 13:51:23 yeah Apr 04 13:51:28 the kernel image in my package is proprocessed per fiasco-gen Apr 04 13:51:48 t-tan, oh so your package contains a .fiasco image? Apr 04 13:51:54 yep Apr 04 13:52:05 ahynes1, thought it was a normal zImage Apr 04 13:52:46 I thought of using flasher, but that didn't work, even with --local Apr 04 13:53:01 thanks t-tan :) Apr 04 13:53:17 any updates on adding the JoikuSpot Bouncer module? Apr 04 13:53:58 MohammadAG: you said xvid, what about it? isn't it h.264? Apr 04 13:54:07 MohammadAG: in theory it should work with my new rules but in practice... Apr 04 13:54:19 it doesn't, lol Apr 04 13:54:33 chadi, I thought it was h.263 Apr 04 13:54:42 not sure though Apr 04 13:55:08 if it's XviD and the device plays it in the mediaplayer it should work Apr 04 13:56:22 t-tan, just seen your post, I'll try it in a bit. Is the DSP overclocked by default? Apr 04 13:56:50 MohammadAG: please wait. I found some problem Apr 04 13:57:03 * MohammadAG presses CTRL+C Apr 04 13:59:59 MohammadAG: it works, ty :) Apr 04 14:03:12 np :) Apr 04 14:03:24 http://www.pylonofthemonth.org/ Apr 04 14:03:25 oops Apr 04 14:04:54 t-tan, thanks, generated fiasco images from the oc'd kernels, so if I get problems I'll just reflash on the go Apr 04 14:15:03 hi Apr 04 14:15:07 SpeedEvil: what a crazy interesting page Apr 04 14:15:13 >.> Apr 04 14:15:25 anyone knows how i can get the last insert id in a e32db database? Apr 04 14:16:29 hi Apr 04 14:26:55 hi Apr 04 14:27:42 I installed the meego N900. How to Restore maemo5 available? Apr 04 14:27:46 ~flashing Apr 04 14:27:47 hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Apr 04 14:27:52 go to that URL for instructions :) Apr 04 14:28:50 how'd you install it if you don't know how to reflash... Apr 04 14:29:08 I tried flashing failed. Apr 04 14:29:26 meego not ready to replace maemo yet I guess? :p Apr 04 14:29:46 haltdef, it's only a bash shell Apr 04 14:29:51 ah Apr 04 14:29:58 (for now) Apr 04 14:30:08 ;; Apr 04 14:30:08 tmdy, what do you mean by flashing failed Apr 04 14:30:51 errors Apr 04 14:30:58 Using flashing protocol Mk II. Apr 04 14:31:02 SU_VERIFY_COMMS_REQ timed out. Apr 04 14:32:01 turn off device completely, pull out battery, put USB cable in computer and device, start flasher, wait until it says it's waiting, then plug in device Apr 04 14:32:02 These messages are output to the flashing ends. Apr 04 14:32:55 tmdy, try another PC Apr 04 14:33:05 When you connect the usb plug bash script does not recognize the screen. Apr 04 14:33:12 sure Apr 04 14:33:26 tmdy, what bash script? Apr 04 14:33:54 sorry xterm Apr 04 14:33:56 flasher is a binary, MeeGo doesn't have to do with reflashing Apr 04 14:35:26 This event (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48914) is identical. Apr 04 14:36:15 Try a different PC. Apr 04 14:36:33 tmdy, what's the image named? Apr 04 14:36:47 meego ? maemo? Apr 04 14:37:23 Maemo Apr 04 14:37:32 RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Apr 04 14:37:51 flasher-3.5 Apr 04 14:38:10 maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2 Apr 04 14:38:39 did you follow my instructions? :P Apr 04 14:38:40 Turn off your device Apr 04 14:38:42 completely Apr 04 14:38:51 Stskeeps, I'm repeating them :) Apr 04 14:39:03 MohammadAG: works fine as a boot screen! :D Apr 04 14:39:17 Remember that it doesn't turn off using the power button in MeeGo Apr 04 14:39:23 try halt or shutdown -h Apr 04 14:39:33 chadi, cool :D Apr 04 14:39:38 chadi, uploading it? Apr 04 14:39:57 indeed, i have it somewhere on youtube Apr 04 14:40:09 MohammadAG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk48UV7zG0M Apr 04 14:40:35 its' the last part of the final fantasy boot screen posted by one of the forummembers Apr 04 14:41:00 Hellou Apr 04 14:41:35 Any chance of getting all of my email accounts in 'one' inbox? Apr 04 14:42:15 chadi, it's already available on the net :) Apr 04 14:42:40 chadi, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujF3bKDs52A Apr 04 14:42:52 really? I did this on my own, using adobe premiere Apr 04 14:43:09 trun off , completely Apr 04 14:43:29 tmdy, how are you sure it's off? Apr 04 14:43:50 chadi, I believe you, the FF video didn't say it was copied Apr 04 14:44:08 MohammadAG though in mine, I added a small delay on the Nokia N900, if you notice Apr 04 14:44:59 halt command to cut the power. Apr 04 14:45:59 slide the keyboard open and hold U Apr 04 14:46:24 yes Apr 04 14:46:26 keep holding U and plug the cable in, keep holding U while doing this Apr 04 14:46:32 till you see the USB icon Apr 04 14:46:47 try it Apr 04 14:48:01 Backlight gone "NOKIA" appears after the character xterm started. Apr 04 14:48:25 Perhaps you broken? Apr 04 14:48:26 what xterm!? Apr 04 14:48:52 I'm not broken, although I'm assuming your english isn't good and that wasn't an insult ... Apr 04 14:49:21 heh Apr 04 14:49:40 Backlight has gone like this http://www.students.tut.fi/ ~ haapasa4/n900_meego.jpg Apr 04 14:50:07 sorry i'm japanese Apr 04 14:50:37 it happened once that my N900 rebooted after opening x-term Apr 04 14:50:40 I said hold u, it should go into MeeGo Apr 04 14:50:55 chadi, different subjects, VERY different :) Apr 04 14:51:32 MohammadAG oops sorry, wasn't following. thanks for the youtube link, though Apr 04 14:51:43 no worries and np :P Apr 04 14:51:54 Let's go to the room Meego Apr 04 14:51:59 no Apr 04 14:52:05 keep that for development Apr 04 14:52:33 it's enough that this one turned into what it wasn't before the N900 came Apr 04 14:52:38 anyways Apr 04 14:52:54 tmdy, pull out the battery, hold U, plug the cable and put the battery Apr 04 14:52:58 keep holding U while doing so Apr 04 14:53:23 sure Apr 04 14:55:44 After all, xterm will start ... Apr 04 14:56:11 does anyone mind helping me explain? Apr 04 14:56:18 (cc Stskeeps) Apr 04 14:56:28 you're on right track :P Apr 04 14:56:52 lol Apr 04 14:57:30 No? Apr 04 14:58:49 Try a Windows Apr 04 14:59:45 where do you hold down u ? on the N900 only to be sure Apr 04 14:59:48 damn Apr 04 15:03:17 And anyone using the RaeMote? Apr 04 15:19:28 MohammadAG, i take out battery, plug in usb, start the flasher doofer - when it says waiting, just plug in battery and watch the magic happen. never pressed a key on the n900 screen ever Apr 04 15:19:50 lcuk, that's cause you had the battery out Apr 04 15:20:03 I usually reboot and hold u while it's rebooting Apr 04 15:20:09 yeah thats the only 100% reproducable method ive used Apr 04 15:21:14 * noobmonk3y is a broken man......... Apr 04 15:22:01 noobmonk3y, lost at football? Apr 04 15:22:07 * lcuk won bowling Apr 04 15:22:13 no won.... which means finals on wednesday :| Apr 04 15:22:18 hahaha Apr 04 15:22:22 i have no knees left :| Apr 04 15:22:35 was in goal and let zero in...... i must have done something wrong :| Apr 04 15:23:04 did help that my team are a bunch of 18 year olds ;) Apr 04 15:23:20 i was playin footie last time we went away and i went to kick the ball and slipped on the all weather Apr 04 15:23:31 totally winded myself as i fell flat on my back Apr 04 15:23:43 you are just an old fart Apr 04 15:24:06 hahaha Apr 04 15:24:07 and yes, yes i am Apr 04 15:24:10 well done on the bowling tho :D Apr 04 15:24:22 tracy is again disputing my win Apr 04 15:24:35 because it came right down to the last ball Apr 04 15:24:42 and i managed to get a spare Apr 04 15:24:53 shes still not forgiven me Apr 04 15:25:40 lol!!!! Apr 04 15:25:44 cheat ftw ;) Apr 04 15:26:06 not cheat! you sound like her lol Apr 04 15:26:21 hahaha Apr 04 15:26:25 i wouldv lost by 2 points if it hadnt given me that extra ball :D Apr 04 15:26:38 told you, cheat - extra balls... blah blah Apr 04 15:26:40 she mustv been gearing up her winning song Apr 04 15:26:40 :D Apr 04 15:26:51 :P Apr 04 15:27:31 dear god, you best not gloat @teebee76 if she thinks people support her that will make her 10x worse to live with lol Apr 04 15:27:51 awwwwwwwwww Apr 04 15:28:54 http://twitter.com/teebee76 look at what happened when we reached stalemate in chess Apr 04 15:29:43 hahahaha!!!! Apr 04 15:30:09 awwww to the 1 follower :( Apr 04 15:30:31 muhahahahaha 2 Apr 04 15:30:32 she only joined up to talk with me, it would be the same if i went on facebook Apr 04 15:30:34 lol Apr 04 15:30:50 she has about a zillion people there but none of her mates use twitter Apr 04 15:31:04 ahhh Apr 04 15:31:12 havnt been on either much recently Apr 04 15:31:28 right..... Apr 04 15:31:30 i need to figure out menus.... Apr 04 15:31:42 why oh why is the pyqt menu's so rubbish....... Apr 04 15:34:16 yo javispedro Apr 04 15:34:25 hello lcuk Apr 04 15:36:05 lcuk, hey, may I ask you a favor? can you test if you're able to edit your own apps (get to the page where you can add screenshots, ...) in maemo.org/downloads? Apr 04 15:36:24 lcuk, to save you having to search for it: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/liqflow/ Apr 04 15:36:43 which bits of apps need editing? Apr 04 15:36:53 i know the description used to be editable Apr 04 15:37:02 can you get to the edit page at least? Apr 04 15:37:02 but is now picked up direct from the package Apr 04 15:37:08 so any edits on website are reverted Apr 04 15:37:20 I need to edit the screenshots on my apps, Apr 04 15:37:32 but it keeps telling me I don't have enough permission and that I need to login (which of course I am already) Apr 04 15:38:16 and before pinging you-know-who ;) I'd like to check if it's something global or "it's-just-me" Apr 04 15:39:34 javispedro, greyed out Apr 04 15:39:50 interesting Apr 04 15:40:06 * noobmonk3y is just testing too Apr 04 15:40:33 greayed out too Apr 04 15:40:37 greyed* Apr 04 15:40:45 so, no way to add new screenshots... :P Apr 04 15:40:56 noobmonk3y, lcuk: ta! Apr 04 15:41:55 X-Fade, Apr 04 15:42:00 np :D Apr 04 15:42:53 X-Fade: there? Apr 04 15:43:01 * MohammadAG follows lcuk on Twitter Apr 04 15:43:15 never knew anyone had a Twitter account Apr 04 15:43:19 except noobmonk3y Apr 04 15:43:29 hehehe Apr 04 15:43:37 * noobmonk3y stalks MohammadAG on twitter Apr 04 15:43:43 * lcuk follows MohammadAG on twitter Apr 04 15:43:53 * MohammadAG says thanks Apr 04 15:43:53 stalks/follows.... meh same Apr 04 15:44:03 noobmonk3y, I use stalks sometimes :P Apr 04 15:44:17 :D :D Apr 04 15:44:24 right... Apr 04 15:44:38 who to pester about pyqt today, i wonder if w00t_ is around :D Apr 04 15:44:50 just ask in general Apr 04 15:45:36 good point..... Well trying to figure out how to resolve my menu issues again at the moment i add a menu and cant add separators or anything else.... doesnt seem to easy to manage Apr 04 15:46:00 so i would really like menu a) - 3 buttons, separator, menu b........ Apr 04 15:46:09 menus in hildon are really limited Apr 04 15:46:13 tried qpopups, but they dont seem to exist or i havnt got it working yet Apr 04 15:46:21 javispedro, the gtk ones look nice :D Apr 04 15:46:27 just not the qt ones Apr 04 15:46:30 yes but they can only hold buttons Apr 04 15:46:39 not even separators iirc Apr 04 15:46:42 thats all i need :D - well, would like more, but all i need atm Apr 04 15:46:51 ahhh that answers my separator issue Apr 04 15:47:04 and they all have the same word in them....... Apr 04 15:47:21 ie i used - fremantle = MainWindow.menuBar().addMenu("Update"); Apr 04 15:47:29 so then all buttons have the word update in them Apr 04 15:47:37 noobmonk3y: you can't really add anything except buttons, unfortunately Apr 04 15:47:39 oh Apr 04 15:47:42 javispedro beat me to it :) Apr 04 15:47:57 :D - can i add them without all having the same word in them? Apr 04 15:48:15 so i use the above line to create the menu, but then when i add a button like - act = fremantle.addAction("All") Apr 04 15:48:17 do they appear as Foo/Bar? Apr 04 15:48:20 it becomes Update All Apr 04 15:48:22 yeah Apr 04 15:48:24 Update / Bar Apr 04 15:48:24 right Apr 04 15:48:37 foobar, good description ;) Apr 04 15:48:37 you're using Qt 4.5, that will be magically fixed for you with Qt 4.6 Apr 04 15:48:41 ahaaaaaa Apr 04 15:48:52 so nothing i can do now, just hold and do the best i can with this :D Apr 04 15:48:56 yeah :) Apr 04 15:49:05 coolio! - thankee very much :D Apr 04 15:49:16 happy with that, as it means that i didnt do it wrong in the first place lol Apr 04 15:49:55 umm, does everyone have a fiasco-flasher? cause I don't Apr 04 15:50:07 assuming there is no way to position the buttons then? Apr 04 15:50:15 they just go into the arc two by two? Apr 04 15:50:24 yep Apr 04 15:50:25 heh. bug #9825 Apr 04 15:50:27 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9825 Cannot upload screenshot ("Edit" is grayed) Apr 04 15:50:31 ;) Apr 04 15:50:36 * noobmonk3y votes on bug Apr 04 15:51:16 hmmmmmmmm Apr 04 15:51:21 * MohammadAG can confirm it, if only he had an app in extras... Apr 04 15:51:26 might as well concentrate on something more useful then....... Apr 04 15:51:35 MohammadAG, - i confirmed Apr 04 15:51:40 MohammadAG, Lcuk confirmed Apr 04 15:51:55 confirm as in change the bug status to NEW Apr 04 15:52:02 lol Apr 04 15:52:06 it does that automatically after a few votes Apr 04 15:52:16 it's UNCONFIRMED atm Apr 04 15:52:19 yeah I know Apr 04 15:52:20 * noobmonk3y waits for it to login Apr 04 15:52:50 do i use Confirm bug (change status to NEW) ? Apr 04 15:53:00 not sure - as never done bug stuff - way to complicated Apr 04 15:53:08 noobmonk3y: you don't have enough permissions, operation will fail. Apr 04 15:53:14 just vote :) Apr 04 15:53:18 voted Apr 04 15:53:21 noobmonk3y, you're not logged in :p Apr 04 15:53:26 * noobmonk3y is never important enough :( Apr 04 15:53:29 all of them appear when not logged in Apr 04 15:54:38 ugh Apr 04 15:54:45 ugh ugh? Apr 04 15:54:51 someone want to remind me how to switch to ARMEL target in sb? Apr 04 15:54:52 i really enjoyed my lie in this morning Apr 04 15:54:57 sb-menu Apr 04 15:55:00 sb-conf se FREMANTLE_ARMEL Apr 04 15:55:04 thankyou! Apr 04 15:55:10 you enjoyed your lie? :) Apr 04 15:55:33 yes i told myselkf i got up at 7am lol Apr 04 15:56:11 heh Apr 04 16:08:41 okay, next (less obvious) problem: /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set Apr 04 16:08:46 anyone got a hint what I'm missing here? :p Apr 04 16:10:34 is your armel target configured right? Apr 04 16:11:30 http://maemo.pastebin.com/zpS3370b Apr 04 16:13:01 http://i42.tinypic.com/o9ejjb.jpg Apr 04 16:13:58 MohammadAG, what are you playing? Apr 04 16:14:02 Bounce Apr 04 16:14:11 cool Apr 04 16:14:23 i want to make a snake/tron game Apr 04 16:14:25 Never played it? Apr 04 16:14:37 top down accelerometer controlled nice fast bright gameplay Apr 04 16:14:47 yeah a few times a while ago Apr 04 16:15:01 * MohammadAG wonders if I want to make means it's in Alpha at the moment :P Apr 04 16:15:28 its in brain alpha Apr 04 16:15:35 it has been since the discussions about sheep Apr 04 16:15:45 i just have so much proper work to do Apr 04 16:15:46 baa? Apr 04 16:15:50 moo Apr 04 16:15:52 sheepdog Apr 04 16:16:03 what's that? Apr 04 16:16:11 i wanted the dog central to the screen and tilt around to run around a field larger than screen Apr 04 16:16:24 I think there's a snake-like game Apr 04 16:16:31 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36698 Apr 04 16:16:33 played it a few days ago Apr 04 16:16:34 yeah Apr 04 16:16:48 and snake ive wnated since day -1 since its a nokia device Apr 04 16:16:50 * chadi wants PR 1.2 Apr 04 16:16:51 but it's not the same as the old/new snake Apr 04 16:16:54 chadi, :) Apr 04 16:17:10 like i said, ive had so much proper work to do (as well as everyone else) Apr 04 16:17:18 I want the N95 snakes game Apr 04 16:17:24 (which was for the N-Gage) Apr 04 16:17:43 * chadi loves the old black and white nokia snake. Apr 04 16:17:59 I doubt that's not available as an swf or something Apr 04 16:18:08 probably Apr 04 16:18:21 but i dont like swf unless its app installable Apr 04 16:18:27 someone almost managed it on 810 Apr 04 16:18:35 using the tutorial framework thingy Apr 04 16:18:45 maybe the same could occur on 900 :) Apr 04 16:19:07 * noobmonk3y is going to please everyone.... a new healthcheck is on it's wav to extras-devel ;) Apr 04 16:19:09 hehe Apr 04 16:19:17 can never have too many healthcheck versions Apr 04 16:19:31 I so want to start developing for N900... but I have no time due to exams :-( Apr 04 16:19:33 noobmonk3y, you release a new version faster than i blink ! well done on release early, release often ethos :) Apr 04 16:19:40 hehe Apr 04 16:19:42 * noobmonk3y bows Apr 04 16:19:53 chadi, took me 3 weeks from knowing nothing to an app in extras :D Apr 04 16:19:57 noobmonk3y: it's fun when I see a new version of an app every day :D Apr 04 16:19:58 us there an API to the calendar, or should I just write in the SQLiteDB? Apr 04 16:20:16 ok, it does look a bit like a dogs dinner, but is fun :D Apr 04 16:20:18 noobmonk3y, err.. nothing?! Apr 04 16:20:19 Treibholz, there is a calendar api Apr 04 16:20:25 errr nothing where MohammadAG ? Apr 04 16:20:31 noobmonk3y, its a start :) Apr 04 16:20:35 only uploaded it 2 mins ago! Apr 04 16:20:36 noobmonk3y: you probably knew some basic programming, didn't you? Apr 04 16:20:41 chadi, took me 3 weeks from knowing nothing to an app in extras :D Apr 04 16:20:46 erm, visual basic, never done python before Apr 04 16:20:55 not even python scripts? Apr 04 16:20:57 * lcuk is a vb developer too Apr 04 16:21:01 MohammadAG, - never done linux or python b4 :D Apr 04 16:21:12 wow, is Python that is? Apr 04 16:21:14 easy* Apr 04 16:21:16 n900 is my first foray into linux Apr 04 16:21:16 * chadi is more c/c++/java/c# oriented Apr 04 16:21:18 weird typo... Apr 04 16:21:23 MohammadAG, yup....... Apr 04 16:21:25 welcome to the club noobmonk3y ;) Apr 04 16:21:29 * noobmonk3y smiles Apr 04 16:21:30 chadi, then look at qt proper :) Apr 04 16:21:32 thankee frals Apr 04 16:21:35 noobmonk3y, what did you start with? Apr 04 16:21:41 yeah qt designer would suite chadi Apr 04 16:21:43 its support is getting stronger Apr 04 16:21:46 (i however cheated, ive done a python assignment in a course at uni) Apr 04 16:21:47 * MohammadAG wonders if he started with n00b questions :P Apr 04 16:21:50 MohammadAG, start with n900-wise? Apr 04 16:21:56 python-wise :) Apr 04 16:22:04 MohammadAG, noobs asking questions are good Apr 04 16:22:05 i started with hello world Apr 04 16:22:09 in a py file with no gui Apr 04 16:22:12 just printing it Apr 04 16:22:13 lcuk, not always :) Apr 04 16:22:22 will start programming for N900 early june! after the finals :D Apr 04 16:22:27 I can already do that Apr 04 16:22:28 MohammadAG, if the right questions are asked Apr 04 16:22:31 but that's about it :p Apr 04 16:22:56 MohammadAG, - python is just about how... and remembering tabspaces, all in all it's just syntax Apr 04 16:22:59 lcuk, well everyone starts as a n00b, but I'm referring to the other type of noobs Apr 04 16:23:03 so google 1 step at a time, play, then google again Apr 04 16:23:08 boobs? Apr 04 16:23:13 boobienoobies? Apr 04 16:23:14 the ones who ask, how do I open the main menu Apr 04 16:23:28 so google 1 step at a time, play, then google again Apr 04 16:23:37 well that worked for me when I started with linux Apr 04 16:23:57 that works for just about anything ^^ Apr 04 16:24:01 lol i still get frustrated that nothing is as simple as visual basic, draw, code, go... so no i just code in pygtkeditor or python idle Apr 04 16:24:02 * MohammadAG crackles his fingers Apr 04 16:24:15 now* Apr 04 16:24:25 noobmonk3y, you don't use Qt Designer? Apr 04 16:24:27 which is why i upload so often Apr 04 16:24:42 i test , try test, try, upload, test properly.... works... new version, test, try , test , try etc Apr 04 16:24:44 or is that only for C++/C + Qt Apr 04 16:24:50 i am tempted to bring my new computer upstairs - but that will mean i install vb on it Apr 04 16:24:58 MohammadAG, - i fecked it up as i didnt understand the relationship between the gui file and a py file Apr 04 16:25:13 so it started of in gui, but now just code it by hand Apr 04 16:25:24 noob.frm Apr 04 16:25:31 lol Apr 04 16:25:35 hello noob.frm Apr 04 16:25:44 :D Apr 04 16:25:45 well that was what vb gave Apr 04 16:25:47 one file Apr 04 16:25:52 the whole app contained within Apr 04 16:25:56 :D :D Apr 04 16:26:02 ui handlers methods Apr 04 16:26:14 "I started coding with VB club" reunion here? Apr 04 16:26:21 * javispedro is also a member of it Apr 04 16:26:24 with qt proper thats spread over many files and many menus to get at info Apr 04 16:26:34 * Treibholz started with QBasic... Apr 04 16:26:36 0.7.1-0 Butlins Version! - in extras devel now :D Apr 04 16:26:42 Should I worry about the lifetime of the flash drive of the N900? I'm not used to SSD, I prefer HDDs... Apr 04 16:26:53 ciao a tutti Apr 04 16:26:54 i was vb dev for 10 years and thing vb6 is the defacto prime microsoft application ever Apr 04 16:26:58 and I'm glad, I forgot erverything. Apr 04 16:26:59 !list Apr 04 16:27:08 lol Apr 04 16:27:16 lol Apr 04 16:27:24 * noobmonk3y wishes vb would start becoming the cool thing again Apr 04 16:27:25 chadi: well, as a user, most probably no. as a dev, just don't do "stupid" things and you'll be fine. Apr 04 16:27:25 that was... awkward Apr 04 16:27:30 was what got me into computing Apr 04 16:27:45 javispedro: define "stupid" things please? Apr 04 16:27:52 * noobmonk3y is a stupid thing Apr 04 16:28:02 chadi: stupid things: writing a file every second, fsyncing continuously, etc. Apr 04 16:28:09 omfg.... i need a glass of wine, brb Apr 04 16:28:14 * C-S-B has returned from devon. Apr 04 16:28:19 * MohammadAG gives noobmonk3y a bottle of wine Apr 04 16:28:26 javispedro who knows what these extra-devel apps do... Apr 04 16:28:32 * auenf still codes in vb Apr 04 16:28:35 * lcuk installs visual basic in noobmonk3y's wine Apr 04 16:28:35 * MohammadAG takes it back and gives him 5 gallons Apr 04 16:28:45 * javispedro boots vb6 for no reason Apr 04 16:28:48 auenf, :) i still write liqbase apps in vb6 Apr 04 16:28:49 chadi: I wouldn't worry Apr 04 16:28:52 devon? what part? :p Apr 04 16:29:01 i have an addin, which generates the whole application from all the forms and controls Apr 04 16:29:08 chadi: if you're a user, I wouldn't worry, as I said. Apr 04 16:29:18 javispedro: i'm a developer :P Apr 04 16:29:19 awww yay Apr 04 16:29:21 chadi, I enabled -devel and -testing where I tunred on my device for the first time Apr 04 16:29:23 more wine the merrier Apr 04 16:29:27 s/tunred/turned/ Apr 04 16:29:27 MohammadAG meant: chadi, I enabled -devel and -testing where I turned on my device for the first time Apr 04 16:29:36 had issues with a vb app last year, multi-threading was screwing with me cause i was talking to a serial port Apr 04 16:29:38 ~thanks Apr 04 16:29:39 MohammadAG: gern geschehen Apr 04 16:29:39 MohammadAG, but you are "special" Apr 04 16:29:47 hah, nice bot Apr 04 16:29:51 define special lol Apr 04 16:30:04 * noobmonk3y only uses extras-devel and extras-testing when he know what he wants to do with it Apr 04 16:30:05 "i can count to potato" kind of special :p Apr 04 16:30:10 ie now, updating healthcheck :D Apr 04 16:30:20 What's the will_shut_down_at volts ShadowJK? Apr 04 16:30:22 what's gern cheschehen lol Apr 04 16:30:31 * noobmonk3y meh .... and maybe update fmms too Apr 04 16:30:31 geschehen* Apr 04 16:30:49 noobmonk3y, just hit upgrade all Apr 04 16:30:55 noooooooooooooooooooooooooo Apr 04 16:31:05 SpeedEvil: 3200mV according to L3&L4, empirical observations concur Apr 04 16:31:07 lol lcuk Apr 04 16:31:11 MohammadAG, could you update h/c - want to see what you think of the new goodies in the first menu :D Apr 04 16:31:22 I always update Apr 04 16:31:26 lol ;) Apr 04 16:31:26 10 minutes left until i watch final destination 4 Apr 04 16:31:31 is it up yet? Apr 04 16:31:38 * noobmonk3y remembers to put boobies in the next version Apr 04 16:31:43 lol lcuk Apr 04 16:31:48 noobmonk3y, why not :P Apr 04 16:31:49 yup Apr 04 16:32:01 i just upgraded fine Apr 04 16:32:04 0.7.1-0 Apr 04 16:32:08 * MohammadAG types apt-get update and gets a stopwatch Apr 04 16:32:28 ive got 5.25" floppys of VB1 here somewhere... Apr 04 16:32:35 lcuk: hmm, the API seems to be only for c++, right? Apr 04 16:32:58 * MohammadAG thinks it's C not C++ Apr 04 16:33:13 MohammadAG: there are classes in C? Apr 04 16:33:36 Treibholz, not sure, never programmed in C but when I looked at the API it was C Apr 04 16:34:10 * MohammadAG wants to get another battery and disable WiFi Power management Apr 04 16:34:23 Treibholz, yes afaik its a c++ lib Apr 04 16:34:55 * MohammadAG hits himself for saying wrong info Apr 04 16:35:03 btw, let me know which command to type on my n810 to turn it into a n900 ;)\ Apr 04 16:35:10 Well, I guess I'll have to try the brutal sqlite-method in python then. Apr 04 16:35:27 ~pinning Apr 04 16:35:29 extra, extra, read all about it, pinning is 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *\nPin: release a=testing\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1, or read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200212/msg00659.html Apr 04 16:35:43 the lack of CalDAV-support is very annoying Apr 04 16:35:43 expected a shorter answer... Apr 04 16:39:13 * lcuk is pondering a nipple component in liqbase Apr 04 16:39:22 however, im having trouble with my normal naming convention Apr 04 16:39:27 hm Apr 04 16:39:37 my N900 is very hot atm Apr 04 16:39:40 "liqnipple" :D Apr 04 16:39:44 FIQ, overclocked? Apr 04 16:39:47 FIQ, just charged it? Apr 04 16:39:48 no Apr 04 16:40:00 then some process is running wild? Apr 04 16:40:00 Is it on fire? Apr 04 16:40:07 top Apr 04 16:40:20 i didn't even use it before like 3mins ago Apr 04 16:40:31 yeah, it's burning atm, speedevil Apr 04 16:40:55 could be something temp maybe Apr 04 16:41:04 FIQ shut it down Apr 04 16:41:09 ok Apr 04 16:41:13 or just reboot Apr 04 16:41:33 [18:41:58] 18:41:58 up 18:38, load average: 0.45, 0.88, 0.83 Apr 04 16:41:45 don't see anything odd Apr 04 16:41:55 joikuspot? Apr 04 16:41:57 FIQ_MOTHER: and what were you doing up at midnight? Apr 04 16:42:17 lol Apr 04 16:42:27 i'm 15 Apr 04 16:42:39 so? :P Apr 04 16:42:47 and no school day! Apr 04 16:42:50 anyway Apr 04 16:42:55 my 15yo son went to a part last night Apr 04 16:42:55 I'm 16 :P Apr 04 16:43:04 still hot so i try reboot Apr 04 16:43:04 joikuspot? Apr 04 16:43:07 no Apr 04 16:43:20 lcuk_wife and why was your son at a party last night ;p Apr 04 16:43:20 i used it before - in beta stage Apr 04 16:43:29 she drove him there lol Apr 04 16:43:36 lol Apr 04 16:43:37 hes been good recently so we let him :) Apr 04 16:44:05 and allllll his mates were goinb Apr 04 16:44:15 there were >20 people sleepin @ friends house Apr 04 16:44:23 o.O Apr 04 16:44:29 how big is the house lol Apr 04 16:45:11 it was an appt Apr 04 16:45:19 i think they slept on the balcony and roof lol Apr 04 16:45:26 lol Apr 04 16:45:36 i remember parties like that Apr 04 16:45:40 well you have fun when you're out with friends Apr 04 16:45:50 doesn't matter how/where you sleep Apr 04 16:45:55 if you sleep at all that is ;) Apr 04 16:46:22 ofc Apr 04 16:46:25 but he had too Apr 04 16:46:33 the night before they hadnt from what facebook tells us Apr 04 16:46:53 * MohammadAG hates timestamps on facebook Apr 04 16:47:42 I commented on a post at 6 AM once, wasn't supposed to stay awake that long :p Apr 04 16:48:31 lololol Apr 04 16:49:38 normal use is really needing -150 to -160mA. with spikes to 290 Apr 04 16:51:30 hm Apr 04 16:51:38 it's not hot anymore lol Apr 04 16:52:09 if it happens again in same situration, i'll speak here again Apr 04 16:52:10 :p Apr 04 16:52:28 pupnik: turning off cellmo eliminates one async event Apr 04 16:52:38 hi pupnik Apr 04 16:52:42 See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTa_UHf2Yoo Apr 04 16:52:43 err Apr 04 16:52:44 no Apr 04 16:53:00 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption#Some_preliminary_numbers_using_bq27200. Apr 04 16:53:01 that Apr 04 16:53:05 SpeedEvil, that's the second time you paste a wrong link today :P Apr 04 16:53:12 yeah. Apr 04 16:53:27 way too tired from moving railway sleepers, and spraying my seed on the ground. Apr 04 16:53:29 * MohammadAG hates it when that happens Apr 04 16:53:35 hi SpeedEvil lcuk Apr 04 16:55:23 * SpeedEvil_ is recalibratin his battera! Apr 04 16:56:55 So, who's started skirting the "I want a dead OMAP3" line? ;) Apr 04 16:57:16 SpeedEvil: gardening? Apr 04 16:57:28 I'm not generally finding much too slow Apr 04 16:57:41 pupnik: doing lawn. Apr 04 16:58:15 * GeneralAntilles has to restart his every 2 days or so or it slows to Molasses in January speeds. Apr 04 16:58:33 http://www.flickr.com/photos Apr 04 16:58:40 ere Apr 04 16:59:11 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/sets/72157623642782601/ Apr 04 17:02:58 w000p Apr 04 17:03:37 noobmonk3y, wb Apr 04 17:03:43 hi DocScrutinizer Apr 04 17:03:48 ty :D Apr 04 17:04:02 hi Apr 04 17:06:17 cya later maemo \o Apr 04 17:07:53 cya lcuk Apr 04 17:08:13 o/ Apr 04 17:08:20 Hmmm where do u have the power saving options? Apr 04 17:08:32 Wi-fi? Advanced options Apr 04 17:08:37 thx Apr 04 17:09:09 ciao lcuk Apr 04 17:09:34 nice omap3 board - size of a credit card http://www.igep-platform.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46&Itemid=55 Apr 04 17:10:02 sorry for being a noob, but where are wifi options?:) Apr 04 17:10:05 cant find them in settings Apr 04 17:10:16 it's a per-connection setting Apr 04 17:10:26 edit connection, then click to the end page Apr 04 17:10:31 ah Apr 04 17:10:49 hey :) Apr 04 17:11:14 is there some nasty trick how to boot into some 'safe mode?' :) Apr 04 17:11:36 I screwed something on the filesystem in /usr and now it won't boot so .. Apr 04 17:11:46 it's n900 Apr 04 17:11:50 :)) Apr 04 17:12:50 something like init 1 and shell ... Apr 04 17:13:17 meaning single-user with shell ... Apr 04 17:13:19 :)) Apr 04 17:13:55 I don't think there is one..at least if you haven't set up one yourself (or if it's some secret) Apr 04 17:14:33 ShadowJK: how do I get it to actually update the last measured discharge? I went from full->empty, and it hasn't. Apr 04 17:14:48 ShadowJK: oh - I may have plugged it in for a momnet - that will presumably do it Apr 04 17:16:18 ok, this vacuumcleaner forced ventilation for that crap laptop is unbearable for anything beyond a quit mailfetch. :-S Apr 04 17:18:51 Could any1 advise on http://img.inerd.me/screenshot05.png Apr 04 17:19:35 what about it? Apr 04 17:19:48 its dead jim*, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it. * matthew_ Apr 04 17:19:50 why did the battery drop in a second from over 20% to 0 Apr 04 17:23:09 because the battery reporting mechanism battery-eye is using is somewhat odd Apr 04 17:23:42 There is a more accurate battery state thingy avaialable - search for .tar earlier in the channel Apr 04 17:23:49 it does not make pretty graphs thouhg. Apr 04 17:25:24 * noobmonk3y grins... if only joiku had a net send or msg ability as well as a cut-off option Apr 04 17:25:35 there's klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow, there's klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, lcuk Apr 04 17:25:47 :D Apr 04 17:25:57 * lcuk looks back @ movie Apr 04 17:33:57 fsck pretty graphs - they confuse the hell out of normal users anyway Apr 04 17:36:12 * noobmonk3y finally relented and added web Apr 04 17:37:14 * DocScrutinizer-8 considers ssh from N810 to N900 as that seems the only possible setup atm to check bq24150 here Apr 04 17:38:10 except option to shoot my ears with vacuum 'fan' for laptop :-J Apr 04 18:09:34 Take some toilet paper. Fold a sheet in four lengthways. Roll tightly. Insert in ears. Apr 04 18:15:42 why? Apr 04 18:19:29 anyone knows pys60? Apr 04 18:19:53 this is #maemo not #symbian Apr 04 18:20:18 lol Apr 04 18:20:29 yes but symbian its dead Apr 04 18:20:39 * noobmonk3y thinks he has pulled a muscle in his arm L( Apr 04 18:20:40 :( Apr 04 18:20:47 ask, I'll see if I can help Apr 04 18:20:57 probably a bigger heartbeat then #qt-maemo normally has Apr 04 18:21:04 noobmonk3y, normal ppl's muscles pull you know... Apr 04 18:21:15 :) Apr 04 18:21:20 :P Apr 04 18:22:35 i want to put the now time in a e32db :S Apr 04 18:22:54 nope, no idea about that Apr 04 18:22:58 only made a reboot app Apr 04 18:23:09 (yes that needs an app on symbian) Apr 04 18:23:35 lol Apr 04 18:23:49 MohammadAG, a reboot app is 1 line of code isnt it? - reboot lol....... Apr 04 18:23:56 ok maybe 3 ;) Apr 04 18:24:20 noobmonk3y, no, since symbian doesn't have a 'reboot' app :P Apr 04 18:24:27 ahhhhhhhhhh Apr 04 18:24:30 it's a forced reboot, I make the system crash Apr 04 18:24:35 it reboots Apr 04 18:24:39 but it's safe Apr 04 18:24:53 making the UI was easy though Apr 04 18:25:04 lol! Apr 04 18:25:16 since it's all standard, unlike Maemo Apr 04 18:25:20 ~ping Apr 04 18:25:22 ~pong Apr 04 18:25:29 where you have to thinnk where you want to place buttons etc... Apr 04 18:25:37 maemo is standard to me, lol didnt know much else ;) Apr 04 18:25:38 but the standard UI makes it slow Apr 04 18:25:49 I really want to learn python Apr 04 18:25:58 I started with it on Symbian Apr 04 18:25:59 well learn it then ;) Apr 04 18:26:05 but it's much easier on Symbian Apr 04 18:26:22 noobmonk3y, how many lines is hc? Apr 04 18:26:26 to be fair go move in with w00t_ for a few weeks, i'm sure he speaks python in his sleep ;) Apr 04 18:26:27 (just wondering) Apr 04 18:26:35 LOL Apr 04 18:26:42 lol Apr 04 18:26:42 lol hc is a bad example...... its about 1600 - but probably could be about 500 Apr 04 18:26:49 lol Apr 04 18:26:57 I dabble with a lot of things :) Apr 04 18:27:01 ;) Apr 04 18:27:18 i probably know more assembly code then i do python :P Apr 04 18:27:35 but the python for dummies and the pyton qt book snext to me help :D Apr 04 18:27:37 assembly, heard that somewhere too :P Apr 04 18:27:40 python* Apr 04 18:27:52 you got python for dummies? Apr 04 18:28:04 E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. Apr 04 18:28:07 * w00t_ swears Apr 04 18:28:15 lol move it Apr 04 18:28:21 mine is 220MBs xD Apr 04 18:28:36 mkdir -p /opt/var/cache/apt Apr 04 18:28:39 all in all i have done bits of assembly, ada, pascal, basic(qbasic too), vb - all versions... .net, java, perl and flashscript...... :| probably a few more i'd think (did a n app in cobol to prove it worked, lol) Apr 04 18:28:51 I had python stuck in there for some raeson Apr 04 18:28:52 mv /var/cache/apt/archives /opt/var/cache/apt/' Apr 04 18:28:55 removing it sorted that out of course Apr 04 18:29:02 mv /var/cache/apt/archives /opt/var/cache/apt/ Apr 04 18:29:05 w00t_, doesnt python optify sort that? Apr 04 18:29:19 ln -s /opt/var/cache/apt/archives /var/cache/apt/archives Apr 04 18:29:29 noobmonk3y, no, that's where .debs get stored Apr 04 18:29:33 ahhhhhhh Apr 04 18:29:46 then apt-get clean or apt-get autoremove? Apr 04 18:29:48 I'm sure I have a couple dozen of healthcheck debs Apr 04 18:29:55 I don't do cleaning Apr 04 18:29:59 lol Apr 04 18:30:03 I have it in /opt, so I don't care :P Apr 04 18:30:09 fair do's Apr 04 18:30:12 * RST38h moos at the moon again Apr 04 18:30:18 * noobmonk3y bleats at the sun Apr 04 18:30:35 mmm. where is libqt4-maemo5-* installed to? /opt/ Apr 04 18:30:40 isn't it? Apr 04 18:30:40 * RST38h sacrifices noobmonk3y to the Tentacled One Apr 04 18:30:42 noobmonk3y, when I reflash I just run apt-get and install all debs xD Apr 04 18:30:43 w0t - yup Apr 04 18:30:52 * noobmonk3y bleats at the tentacled one.. then farts Apr 04 18:30:59 MohammadAG, :D Apr 04 18:31:12 evening rsalveti_ Apr 04 18:31:13 takes 5 minutes to restore 200+ apps Apr 04 18:31:15 RST38h, even Apr 04 18:31:21 ok maybe 15 minutes Apr 04 18:31:21 omfg auto tab will be the death of me Apr 04 18:31:51 thought about downloading the whole repo once, but I learned it was 48GBs Apr 04 18:31:57 took me about 1 hr to do about 40......... but was on 2g/3g Apr 04 18:32:00 umm, 80+GB actually Apr 04 18:32:50 * noobmonk3y will b back later - need more wine and ciggies Apr 04 18:33:15 don't drink, it resets your memory and makes you moo a lot Apr 04 18:33:24 hmmm, overclockers strike again, at 1GHz Apr 04 18:33:24 * noobmonk3y moo's Apr 04 18:33:41 RST38h, correction, 1.02 :P Apr 04 18:39:56 rst38h: and it does not overheat? Apr 04 18:41:18 i OC to 900MHz noticed no excessive heating up yet but not really hammered the CPU much Apr 04 18:42:44 anotnac, just a note, if any damage happens it's at the hardware level, so a reflash won't fix Apr 04 18:42:50 I'm running @ 825 Apr 04 18:43:39 yea i know, i'm going back to 800 later until more testing is carried out Apr 04 18:43:54 does overclocking the n900 make it neccessary to increase voltage? Apr 04 18:44:30 Arkenoi: No idea, try Apr 04 18:44:37 as anyone reported any damaged handsets yrt Apr 04 18:44:41 media player isn't seeing any of my music and photos doesn't think i have any photos! any ideas how to get em back? ive tried "touching" all the files to make them seem new Apr 04 18:44:46 Arkenoi: Probably does not heat up too much unless you push it with torrent or something Apr 04 18:45:08 MohammadAG: do you apt-get install and manually supply the list of 200 debs? Apr 04 18:45:10 because if it doesn't, there's probably no "hidden" damage to the hardware if there's no excessive heat. Apr 04 18:45:33 pupnik, I take it from the backup Apr 04 18:45:48 the one taken by osso-backup Apr 04 18:45:57 can you explain where that list is? Apr 04 18:46:19 /var/lib/hildon-application-manager/packages.backup Apr 04 18:46:21 I think Apr 04 18:46:24 sec lemme make sure Apr 04 18:46:55 yep Apr 04 18:47:01 anyone knows how to stablish a connection with a webserver? Apr 04 18:47:06 dont you hate sites that post they dont endorse something but then post instruction on how to and post them incorrectly lol Apr 04 18:47:08 I use leafpad to remove the tags Apr 04 18:47:15 by replacing it with nothing Apr 04 18:47:17 joker_89: Open your browser and type in the address Apr 04 18:47:19 Ahhahahaha Apr 04 18:47:24 http://phonereport.info/guide-how-to-overclock-nokia-n900-hack/ Apr 04 18:47:28 They are disabling Ctrl+Space again :))))) Apr 04 18:48:09 anotnac, they took my instructions on how to reverse it from the facebook post Apr 04 18:48:28 without mentioning me Apr 04 18:48:34 now I don't care about credit and stuff Apr 04 18:48:49 but at least say someone pointed it out (without mentioning a name) Apr 04 18:48:56 why is SDK needed Apr 04 18:50:17 ty MohammadAG Apr 04 18:50:30 anyone seen this web app service http://www.intomobile.com/2010/04/04/toshl-expense-tracking-app-is-web-connected-and-i-love-it-for-that.html Apr 04 18:50:52 cross platform sounds cool Apr 04 18:51:33 anotnac, developing can be done without an SDK Apr 04 18:51:44 RST38h, what's ctrl-space? Apr 04 18:52:02 changes input language AFAIK Apr 04 18:52:15 and switches desktops if you have modified-hildon-desktop installed Apr 04 18:52:19 apps* Apr 04 18:52:37 anyones knows how works a sincronization? Apr 04 18:55:12 the point i was trying to make is it says install sdk to do oc but its flasher 3.5 whats needed Apr 04 18:59:48 anotnac, umm where? Apr 04 18:59:59 anotnac, that was before he shared the files Apr 04 19:00:41 i did not read correct sorry Apr 04 19:01:10 lol I really was asking the first time I said where Apr 04 19:02:20 as anyone really messed up there phone like that site says Apr 04 19:02:33 hi, I have submitted my idea as a student to maemo's mentors for the gsoc, I wanted to know if there was any suggestion about it ;) Apr 04 19:02:52 i've read little easy to fix problems but not ppl totally messing up there devoce Apr 04 19:08:21 anotnac, don't overclock. . . . Apr 04 19:09:11 anotnac, it's highly likely you'll knock a significant amount of time off the life of your device. Apr 04 19:11:33 GeneralAntilles, it's a fact not a possibility ;) Apr 04 19:13:07 MohammadAG, well, yes. Apr 04 19:13:28 MohammadAG, but the possibility is that it may still far outlast any realistic usage lifetime for that particular person. Apr 04 19:13:54 Yeah, that's why I overclocked, I usually upgrade phones in 2-3 years Apr 04 19:14:14 how to mount rootfs via usb? Apr 04 19:14:27 that's not a smart thing to do ;) Apr 04 19:14:29 Potentially, depending on a lot of factors, 2-3 years is likely to be a bit outside of the overclocked device lifetime. ;) Apr 04 19:14:39 supertramp, back up a bit. Apr 04 19:14:47 supertramp, WHY do you want to mount the rootfs over USB? Apr 04 19:15:35 GeneralAntilles, well if it ran locked @ 800MHz I wouldn't give it more than a year Apr 04 19:15:46 A lot less, potentially. Apr 04 19:16:05 but overclocking doesn't lock it @ 800 Apr 04 19:16:08 that type of failure is a poisson distibution iirc Apr 04 19:16:11 GeneralAntilles: information about lifetime expectations is available in omap datasheet: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/omap3530.pdf Apr 04 19:16:35 GeneralAntilles: cause I need to fix something in it Apr 04 19:16:38 pupnik, don't remind me of statistics, I'm on holiday :P Apr 04 19:16:48 supertramp, what's that something? Apr 04 19:17:36 I screwed something in /usr/share - n900 wont boot now - have to revert changes Apr 04 19:17:42 MohammadAG: <- Apr 04 19:17:50 263 pages Apr 04 19:17:53 supertramp, reflash the device Apr 04 19:18:05 <_llll_> to fix one file?surely not Apr 04 19:18:07 you're better off doing that Apr 04 19:18:08 GeneralAntilles: search for POH (power-on hours) keyword, it's 100000 hours at 500MHz, and 50000 hours at 550-600MHz Apr 04 19:18:13 MohammadAG: I'd like to avoid reflashing if possible Apr 04 19:18:20 would be nice if that were possible supertramp Apr 04 19:18:33 not sure how to mount rootfs, but AFAIK you need a ubifs enabled kernel Apr 04 19:18:35 Bootmenu should be able to help you Apr 04 19:18:38 Not sure of the status with the N900, though. Apr 04 19:18:43 or that Apr 04 19:18:43 GeneralAntilles: I guess at higher clock frequencies chip degradation is a lot faster Apr 04 19:18:49 GeneralAntilles, it works :) Apr 04 19:18:51 SpeedEvil: if VDQ flag is 0 it wont learn on reaching EDV1. I noticed plugging it in drops VDQ Apr 04 19:18:56 ssvb, so says Igor. Apr 04 19:19:20 ShadowJK: yeah - I realised it would need a full->empty cycle Apr 04 19:19:39 Shit, where's powertop these days? Apr 04 19:19:43 hm Apr 04 19:19:47 ssvb, 5.7 years? Apr 04 19:20:02 MohammadAG: do you have any links with hints? Apr 04 19:20:49 well this is how to mount the image file Apr 04 19:20:55 not sure how to mount the device. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=403015&postcount=3 Apr 04 19:21:07 MohammadAG: yes, something like this. If you think it is too much, I used to have Nokia 3330 for more than 6 years, and it is still in a good shape ;) Apr 04 19:21:23 I think it's too little lol Apr 04 19:21:37 MohammadAG: and at let's say 800MHz, I guess this time can be easily halved Apr 04 19:21:56 ssvb, but that's assuming it's running 24/7 @ 800MHz Apr 04 19:22:06 or for the numbers above, 24/7 @ 500-600 Apr 04 19:22:23 without going down/idling @ 125 (oc'd kernel) or 250 (stock) Apr 04 19:26:49 * Arkenoi still owns 8850 and 7110 and both work perfectly well Apr 04 19:27:21 * GeneralAntilles wonders if -community has really been dead for 4 days. Apr 04 19:27:36 Guess so. Apr 04 19:27:38 Or it's broken. Apr 04 19:28:40 MohammadAG: thanks :) Apr 04 19:28:53 np Apr 04 19:29:10 that datasheet is for 3530 - same lithography but different packaging as 3430? ssvb ? Apr 04 19:29:17 GeneralAntilles, -community? Apr 04 19:31:44 pupnik: I don't have any link to omap3430 document offhand (assuming that it is even publically available). But considering that they are both omap3 chips, and are rated at the same clock frequencies, I think these numbers are not very much off Apr 04 19:31:55 will pr 1,2 still show OTA with the patched oc kernel Apr 04 19:32:04 interesting. Apr 04 19:32:16 I wonder what actual diference 125MHz mode would have. Apr 04 19:32:31 powerwise Apr 04 19:32:59 I need to do some tests with smartreflex on. Apr 04 19:33:28 Is it possible to use 800MHz overclocked kernel without flashing anything? Apr 04 19:33:32 MohammadAG: hmm Apr 04 19:33:48 Don't wanna lose apps/config files etc, I'd be happy without flashing =) Apr 04 19:33:54 SpeedEvil: afaik n900 is not very stable when running at 125MHz, so this clock frequency was disabled, the same applies to smartreflex feature Apr 04 19:34:15 MohammadAG: P4 - as listed in powertop - is not counted in the above hours tally. Apr 04 19:34:18 SpeedEvil, would be happy to help :) Apr 04 19:34:24 err what? Apr 04 19:34:29 ssvb: MohammadAGI guess. Apr 04 19:34:53 ssvb: I guess. Apr 04 19:35:00 125 wouldnt get me much. the big chompers are screen and www pages Apr 04 19:35:08 first of all I thought you wanted my help / more test subjects (:P) with smarterflex Apr 04 19:35:19 second, what's P4 Apr 04 19:38:22 MohammadAG: C4 - as in powertop Apr 04 19:38:44 * ShadowJK had an OOPS reboot earlier Apr 04 19:39:58 Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1028) at 0xe79750f2 Apr 04 19:40:05 no idea what tha is Apr 04 19:41:47 Anyone happen to recall what the output network connected to the tv dac looks like? Is there a filter/buffer in the way? Apr 04 19:43:03 huh, I tell it to switch off and instead it rebooted... Apr 04 19:45:00 ShadowJK: Does battery charging ever hit 4200mV with you? Apr 04 19:45:16 ShadowJK: with me it seems to hit 4130 or so, then back off Apr 04 19:45:18 4165 iirc Apr 04 19:50:15 vdq=1 = it will learn this cycle - if nothing changes? Apr 04 19:50:53 Valid Discharge Apr 04 19:51:00 (yes) Apr 04 19:51:18 and as long as the new learned capacity isn't too different from current values Apr 04 19:51:30 is there any way to force it? Apr 04 19:51:43 As in write the real capacity. Apr 04 19:51:51 (I know above tool won't) Apr 04 19:52:01 I think there's a way to write arbitrary values into LMD register Apr 04 19:52:15 k. Apr 04 19:52:36 Sell a polished tool to mugen! Apr 04 19:53:06 the oops reboot made me boot n900 with a warm mugen battery Apr 04 19:53:20 as a result bme thinks capacity is 300mAh Apr 04 19:53:36 :) Apr 04 19:53:38 :( Apr 04 19:53:41 which makes it show 100% the entire time, until it shows 0% :) Apr 04 19:57:26 does a 3G phone have a real IP address or a private one? Apr 04 19:57:34 depends on provider Apr 04 19:57:51 in most cases private. Apr 04 19:58:15 You really, really don't want arbitrary viruses and botnets port knocking. Apr 04 19:58:19 mh. :| Apr 04 19:58:21 It kills your battery. Apr 04 19:58:41 damn - why there is nandsim module in debian Apr 04 19:58:43 hah, never thought of that Apr 04 19:58:50 but an n900 can run a server like any linux machine when it's on wifi, right? Apr 04 19:59:07 yes Apr 04 19:59:14 Stskeeps: any way of knowing which providers give real addresses? Apr 04 19:59:27 so, if an application - namely brainparty - freezes, and ctrl-backspace doesn't go to the taskmanager, and the power button doen't show up the menu, and sshd seems not to respont ("no route to host"), are there any other options? Apr 04 19:59:29 BCMM: for example - if you simply have it sitting awaiting ssh, then it will last several days. Apr 04 19:59:33 other then a reboot Apr 04 19:59:54 * b-man|laptop ran an apache server on his N900 xD Apr 04 20:00:08 BCMM: check if you get a public addy or not? :P Apr 04 20:00:20 Shapeshifter: open the phone, while not disconnecting the battery, hook up JTAG, stop phone, alter memory, resume phone. Apr 04 20:00:21 b-man|laptop: lighttpd would be more efficient and actually quite a realistic use case Apr 04 20:00:22 Stskeeps: i haven't got an n900 yet :) Apr 04 20:00:32 SpeedEvil: JTAG? Apr 04 20:00:40 Stskeeps: looking at different networks Apr 04 20:00:40 Shapeshifter: very true Apr 04 20:00:41 is that a joke I'm not getting? Apr 04 20:00:52 Shapeshifter: It's a theoretical possibility. Apr 04 20:00:56 oh Apr 04 20:00:59 Shapeshifter: that in principle is an alternative. Apr 04 20:01:09 Shapeshifter: jtag is a low-level debuggy thing Apr 04 20:01:10 does qtify work for anyone? it segfaults right after authenticating for me Apr 04 20:02:10 Shapeshifter: reboot I guess is the only option Apr 04 20:02:22 Shapeshifter: I'd try camera slide too Apr 04 20:02:22 mhh. long-pressing the power button made the led go white as in a shutdown, but it's not actually doing anything Apr 04 20:02:34 ah now it rebooted Apr 04 20:02:37 10 seconds late Apr 04 20:02:37 Shapeshifter: but if it's not pinging, ... Apr 04 20:03:26 meh. in any case, brainparty is a _really_ nice game. I'll recommend it to all my iphone friends so they buy it. But its performance is kinda poor on the n900 at times Apr 04 20:04:07 (and it froze the device just now) Apr 04 20:05:08 what is? Apr 04 20:05:49 Shapeshifter, wheres the port Apr 04 20:07:25 lcuk: the port? Apr 04 20:07:32 SpeedEvil: brainparty is? Apr 04 20:08:08 yes Apr 04 20:08:35 lcuk: not sure what exactly you mean, but if you mean the port for the n900, here it is: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=593822&postcount=22 Apr 04 20:08:38 sorta Apr 04 20:09:20 Shapeshifter, yeah i see its in -devel and -testing :) Apr 04 20:10:14 it's really quite good. one of the best games - I'd say - for maemo 5 besides all the emulator business. there aren't many good native games for maemo atm. Apr 04 20:10:47 hey there Apr 04 20:11:19 how can i share my 3g on my n900 through usb ? Apr 04 20:11:53 massoud, plugging n900 into my ubuntu laptop and selecting pcsuite mode lets me connect and use the n900 3g :) Apr 04 20:11:58 so, yes Apr 04 20:12:03 iptables gives me error when i try to nat Apr 04 20:12:18 ive never seen iptables :) Apr 04 20:12:22 all on the normal gui Apr 04 20:12:28 its just another connection Apr 04 20:13:21 lcuk then there is a nat between phonet0 and usb0 ? Apr 04 20:13:35 you are speaking greek to me Apr 04 20:13:54 i click on o2 prepaid on my laptop and internet works Apr 04 20:14:05 lcuk : "normal" gui ? Apr 04 20:14:38 so the n900 acts like a modem for your ubuntu ? Apr 04 20:14:45 yes Apr 04 20:15:25 and on your ubuntu what are ur settings ? Apr 04 20:15:37 "o2 prepaid" instead of "liqnet" Apr 04 20:15:52 ie instead of connecting to house network i connect to o2 Apr 04 20:16:05 ive never entered the command line or installed anything on my ubuntu to make it work Apr 04 20:16:52 and you indicate that your interface is usb0 ? Apr 04 20:17:25 as noted, i plug it in - i dont care which one it goes in nor do i tell it which Apr 04 20:18:01 it works exactly as i would expect it to, its actually +100 win for linux and from that level more understandable than windows :) Apr 04 20:19:55 is anyone here who knows where to get nandsim for debian? Apr 04 20:20:02 * VladNistor says hello Apr 04 20:20:44 is there a way to force an application to install, i'm trying to get psx4all on it and the pr1.2 dependencies are in the way... Apr 04 20:21:15 I think there's a dpkg --force Apr 04 20:21:29 but i would need the .deb first, right? Apr 04 20:21:48 how are you trying to install this application that wont install? Apr 04 20:22:15 Appiah, apt-get install psx4all Apr 04 20:22:34 try -f Apr 04 20:22:43 apt-get install -f Apr 04 20:23:21 thanks, but it's not working. it still says it has the unmet dependencies and E: Brokern packages at the end :( Apr 04 20:24:43 i've searched the net a bit and there's nothing except the dpkg --force option you mentioned. do you think i should get the .deb and do the dpkg --force? Apr 04 20:24:56 Anyone here tried the OC-kernels? Apr 04 20:25:12 yup, running the 900 one right now Apr 04 20:25:24 Working fine? Apr 04 20:25:33 every body has internet sharing working on the n900 ? Apr 04 20:25:46 3 hours and fine... yeah, it's a dream :P Apr 04 20:25:55 for your laptop connected on usb/bt ? Apr 04 20:26:18 but i'll probably go with the 7xx or 800 until people test it more, don't wanna' brick it ;) Apr 04 20:27:01 is there a way to force an application to install, i'm trying to get psx4all on it and the pr1.2 dependencies are in the way... Apr 04 20:27:08 VladNistor: Hehe - Just something boggling me about the thread on maemo-forums - fiasco-flasher? where do I find that piece of software - I know the stock flasher has some fiasco options. Apr 04 20:27:10 I compiled a package Apr 04 20:27:12 the 125 part of it is what's nice, instead of the 250 :) Apr 04 20:27:13 I started downloading easy debian image and put the phone on the table and charging, now that I look at it, I don't get anything on the screen, even the unlock switch doesn't seem to work and to get the backlight to light up I can press the power button or open the camera cover. it kind of seems to work though, the backlight goes off again etc. Apr 04 20:27:24 have u guys tried iptables on n900 ? Apr 04 20:27:28 maybe this is because it's currently extracting it and doesn't have time to show me any interface? ;) Apr 04 20:27:54 phellarv, i think it's in extras-devel or testing Apr 04 20:28:10 VladNistor: M'kay. Apr 04 20:28:15 VladNistor, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/psx4all_0.3.9.1_armel.deb Apr 04 20:28:29 sweet, thanks MohammadAG! Apr 04 20:28:34 you don't need to force anything to install that, BUT it doesn't install from app manager Apr 04 20:29:12 yeah, thanks :) i'll dpkg -i it Apr 04 20:29:16 (I think timewise it probably had reached the extraction phase, judging by the last time I checked the download speed) Apr 04 20:30:13 so I guess it's just hogging all cpu for extracting with a much higher priority than to show me anything...but shouldn't the scheduler give it at least some time? Apr 04 20:30:44 or, maybe it has just gone haywire but I'll wait for a while :) Apr 04 20:33:20 I also seem to notice a slight delay in the backlighting kicking in when the hardware keyboard is opened Apr 04 20:33:58 thanks MohammadAG, it works like a charm :) Apr 04 20:34:48 Hmmm - I cannot find the fiasco flasher. Apr 04 20:36:09 np :) Apr 04 20:36:31 phellarv, are you talking about the one for the N900 or the one to install on the PC to flash the n900 from there? Apr 04 20:36:58 The one for the N900 Apr 04 20:39:14 i can't find it in the repos either, you should look in the thread and find exactly what that person said about it... i remember it in mention but not more Apr 04 20:42:13 are there any free roms for the psx4all somewhere? or i just need to outright steal to play them? :)) Apr 04 20:43:41 Yuck, AC weather is here. Apr 04 20:44:27 heh, calling the phone from another makes it seems to the caller it rings but it doesn't currently does not do anything visible or audible :) Apr 04 20:44:29 when you don't subtract something from someone, you are not stealing, VladNistor. Apr 04 20:44:36 copyright infringement is not stealing. Apr 04 20:44:47 ptl_demands_PR12, both are illegal Apr 04 20:44:52 :) Apr 04 20:45:03 yes, but killing and robbing are illegal too, but they are not the same thing. Apr 04 20:45:03 yeah, i'm just depriving someone of income, same as stealing in my book :) Apr 04 20:45:17 ptl_demands_PR12, nice logic :P Apr 04 20:45:23 Which could lead to their death! Apr 04 20:45:29 Programmers have to eat too! Apr 04 20:45:36 lol Apr 04 20:45:44 indeed :) Apr 04 20:45:48 no, you are not, because you can't assert that the person who uses the thing would still use it if it had to pay Apr 04 20:45:48 what if they're open source programmers :P Apr 04 20:45:57 so, this deprivement argument is bogus. Apr 04 20:46:01 they have to eat too :)) Apr 04 20:46:07 MohammadAG: they get by on beer. Apr 04 20:46:15 lmao Apr 04 20:47:16 * luke-jr growls at stupid N810 and its battery life of under 15 minutes Apr 04 20:47:38 luke-jr: you could need a new battery Apr 04 20:47:59 that would support Nokia :( Apr 04 20:48:34 but srsly, it's only 15 months old Apr 04 20:48:55 mine is about 2 years old (n800) Apr 04 20:49:27 I usually end up charging it after every 2 hours use anyway Apr 04 20:49:28 I suppose if I drove, I could use an inverter Apr 04 20:49:47 I don't remember the last time mine survived a trip Apr 04 20:50:17 anyhow, any suggestions for modern triangulation sw? Apr 04 20:50:21 I have a bunch of 18650 cells that run on 3.7 v and Im tempted to use them to power old mobile phones/ tablets except they look like little dynamite sticks Apr 04 21:01:37 ah, now I got the display back Apr 04 21:02:10 it still says extracting though, I guess it'll take its time, it's been installing for 50minutes or so now Apr 04 21:03:47 weird though that I have a 1-hour lock delay and now it's locked.. Apr 04 21:04:45 ah well, now it's done :) it was just busy then Apr 04 21:06:05 it shows the call I made to it to have happened at 00:01 while I actually made that at 23:44 :) Apr 04 21:07:23 hi all Apr 04 21:07:32 got a quick question regarding my n900! Apr 04 21:07:38 can anyone hlep? Apr 04 21:07:50 just ask Apr 04 21:07:59 i was readin the fm transmitter MOD thread over at talk.maemo.org Apr 04 21:08:17 and it says that i can change the frequency to 87.5 Apr 04 21:08:35 theoritically you can, practically (atm) you can't Apr 04 21:08:45 theoretically* Apr 04 21:08:53 i followed all the steps, and when i try to change the frequency to 87.7 (that's the lowest on my 2003 corolla), i can't, the lowest is still 88.1 Apr 04 21:09:00 umm sec Apr 04 21:09:25 ok thanks! Apr 04 21:09:47 I think my battery problem is just Nokia's BME crap malfunctioning -.- Apr 04 21:11:07 anyone else try to mod the fm-transmitter on their n900? Apr 04 21:11:11 Remaining standby time to battery low (mins): 14964 Apr 04 21:11:19 why does BME force a shutdown when it has so much time?? Apr 04 21:11:42 as it is right now, its really bad audio output (even with the boost enabled at 118) Apr 04 21:11:45 Instantaneous battery voltage (mV): 3948 Apr 04 21:12:26 (i'm in new york, and most of the stations are occupid), hence i'm trying to enable 87.5+ frequencies, so i can use it at lower frequency for better audio quality (without static) Apr 04 21:12:46 suggest modding the car to accept headphone jack Apr 04 21:13:47 i thought about that, but my car is pretty old, and don't wanna spend more money on for a new stereo Apr 04 21:13:52 (i'm a broke ass studen) Apr 04 21:13:53 haha Apr 04 21:13:57 Ha - My N900@900 did not like smartreflex Apr 04 21:15:31 ppriyank: proctologist? Apr 04 21:15:33 i wish hilighting text in browser worked Apr 04 21:15:34 hi i got an issue with my n900 Apr 04 21:15:53 after update the cammera app is not working Apr 04 21:16:00 luke-jr: with an old battery, it's probably actually real instantaneous low Apr 04 21:16:09 JZA: have you fiddled with the filesystem? Apr 04 21:16:09 it crashes as soon as i start it Apr 04 21:16:12 pupnik: it does? Apr 04 21:16:20 pupnik: select the arrow thingy Apr 04 21:16:47 yeah then i drag opver text and the webpage moves Apr 04 21:16:53 SpeedEvil: no a chiropractor (still got few months before i graduate) Apr 04 21:16:56 speedevil: well yes i free up the rootfs Apr 04 21:17:17 the arrow is active and tapped with red stripe Apr 04 21:17:18 JZA: camera does not work with non-vfat mydocs - if that's what you did Apr 04 21:17:25 following the tutorial Apr 04 21:17:41 SpeedEvil: hm? Apr 04 21:17:50 ok no i didnt change the partition filesystme Apr 04 21:18:05 The battery meter in N8x0 doesn't cope with old batteries Apr 04 21:18:06 i tried freed up space on the rootfs today by moving microb-engine to /opt and symlinked... now even after i moved it back it doesn't start :) Apr 04 21:18:21 *freeing Apr 04 21:18:37 ShadowJK: Instantaneous battery voltage (mV): 3948 Apr 04 21:18:46 ok thanks for all the input. i guess nobody besides me tried to mod the fm transmitter on their N900 :( Apr 04 21:18:48 would i be able to apt-get remove (with whatever it reases with that) and then install it back? Apr 04 21:18:56 3847* Apr 04 21:19:01 i guess i'll just wait for somebody to respond on the thread Apr 04 21:19:20 thanks for all the help though :) Apr 04 21:19:43 luke-jr, but if it really only lasts 15 minutes I'm surprised bme doesn't abort() trying to charge it :) Apr 04 21:19:57 ShadowJK: it lasts 0 seconds now Apr 04 21:20:16 oh, shuts down when you remove charger? Apr 04 21:20:19 yes Apr 04 21:20:59 When on charge and battery full condition is reached, BME resets its capacity counter to that of a fully charged fresh battery, and its time estimates are based on that Apr 04 21:21:10 so they're only ever vaguely relevant for a brand new battery :) Apr 04 21:21:27 how can i check the partitions again i got mpartition but cant remember the flags Apr 04 21:21:31 what i mean is weather the microb is in the nokia repositories to be able to reinstall it, and weather you guyz know :) Apr 04 21:22:14 luke-jr, is it on charger now? Apr 04 21:22:57 * luke-jr plugs it in Apr 04 21:22:58 yes Apr 04 21:23:15 SW PWM, open switch voltage, closed switch voltage Apr 04 21:23:19 would <1s shorts hurt it? Apr 04 21:23:39 yes Apr 04 21:23:41 :( Apr 04 21:24:01 think Nokia wants to replace my battery because they uh "forced" me to damage it? <.< Apr 04 21:24:13 lol Apr 04 21:24:25 you probably voided your warranty with your public statement of hacking the serial ports Apr 04 21:24:26 by making the serial totally inaccessible Apr 04 21:24:29 :P Apr 04 21:24:39 The original battery that came with my N810 is unusable :) Apr 04 21:25:06 Stskeeps: can't void your warranty unless you actually damage it <.< Apr 04 21:25:13 which I did, but not by hacking the serial ports Apr 04 21:25:25 the battery has only 6months warranty anyway Apr 04 21:25:28 heh Apr 04 21:25:50 so what battery do I want to get? Apr 04 21:25:59 is there one that lasts longer and works in devices other than N810? <.< Apr 04 21:26:06 lol Apr 04 21:26:22 Any battery would last longer than your current, I think :) Apr 04 21:26:45 I mean longer than default Apr 04 21:26:58 nah Apr 04 21:27:09 Well there's the mugen double-thickness one :) Apr 04 21:28:13 ShadowJK: does it fit sanely? Apr 04 21:29:08 it comes with a new plastic back cover Apr 04 21:29:28 that makes the N810 thicker on the part covered by the battery cover Apr 04 21:29:37 so like the C760 Apr 04 21:29:51 wonder why those don't just use the entire surface for battery Apr 04 21:30:02 rather than the tiny rect used by the normal one Apr 04 21:30:44 adds cost and complexity Apr 04 21:33:42 and while it's reasonably safe to parallel two identical cells, it's absolutely nogo for different make or brand cells Apr 04 21:35:07 and playdo cells to fit the formfactor of a small brick and a large brick back to back, that's yet to invent Apr 04 21:35:37 hmm Apr 04 21:35:44 i just found my n800 and gf's n770 Apr 04 21:35:48 i haven't used either of them in about two years Apr 04 21:36:07 anything new that i can do wit hthem or should i toss em back in the closet? Apr 04 21:36:42 any idea how this full-SD upgrade works? Apr 04 21:37:10 Tu13es: ebay! Apr 04 21:37:44 yeah, i should get around to that Apr 04 21:37:56 i can't run anything newer than os2008 right? Apr 04 21:38:27 some people are starting work on a n8x0 hardware adaptation for meego Apr 04 21:39:24 hmm Apr 04 21:39:34 did Mer ever go anywhere? Apr 04 21:40:04 and the community ssu work is active Apr 04 21:42:43 so uh, say, would battery-status from http://nitapps.com/ work on an N900? Apr 04 21:42:58 guessing not Apr 04 21:44:54 hmm Apr 04 21:45:01 wonder if there's any way to use AAAs with N810? :P Apr 04 21:47:13 getting desperate? :P Apr 04 21:47:35 well, I need to get AAs anyway Apr 04 21:47:36 i wonder how many people are going to fry their devices http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39753&page=75 people seem to be trying more and more to push their N900's clock speed past 1Ghz LOL Apr 04 21:48:42 http://craftyguy.net/pub/mhz.png hahaha Apr 04 21:49:09 LOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL xDDDDDDDD Apr 04 21:49:49 lcuk: You mean like http://www.usbfever.com/index_eproduct_view.php?products_id=302 ? Apr 04 21:50:03 $3.50 a good price for BP-4L new? Apr 04 21:50:07 "They propably can just sell the los alamos and buy your phone...." LOL Apr 04 21:50:31 luke-jr, afaiui there's a flat ribbon cable going to a fullsize SD slot that gets screwed onto the device next to the battery, and then you either need his new battery cover so that the stuff fits, or the mugen battery cover Apr 04 21:50:35 luke-jr, yes Apr 04 21:50:56 luke-jr, genuine nokias are about $20-$35 :P Apr 04 21:50:57 Err, I meant that for luke-jr, not lcuk. Apr 04 21:51:04 ShadowJK: ah, so the ribbon goes into the miniSD port? Apr 04 21:51:09 yeah Apr 04 21:51:15 ShadowJK: you mean this might be counterfeit? :| Apr 04 21:51:20 luke-jr, lol Apr 04 21:51:28 b-man17, I bet there'll be a slew of complaints in about 6 months. Apr 04 21:51:46 indeed xD Apr 04 21:51:50 GeneralAntilles, the question is whether it's worth it :) Apr 04 21:52:12 and if you can still buy N900 in 6-18 months of if all you can get is stupid capacitive by then :( Apr 04 21:52:29 ShadowJK, :((( Apr 04 21:52:36 ShadowJK, that makes me sad everytime I think about it. Apr 04 21:52:39 I can't believe how stupid Nokia is Apr 04 21:52:55 Well, I can, but I can't believe I'll have to end my relationship with their products after 10 years. Apr 04 21:52:57 isn't Nokia investigating captive-resistive? Apr 04 21:53:22 b-man17, Stantum is multitouch resistive Apr 04 21:53:28 but they don't seem interested in actually using it in a product. Apr 04 21:53:50 hmm Apr 04 21:54:06 bah! Apr 04 21:54:16 ShadowJK: PM? Apr 04 21:54:21 Man, makes me so sad. Apr 04 21:54:35 800x480 with capacitive is going to suck so much Apr 04 21:54:51 basically means they're either going to be completely stupifying the Harmattan UI or it's just going to be unusable. Apr 04 21:55:43 ShadowJK: that's seriously a counterfeit? Apr 04 21:56:56 GeneralAntilles: it's a good thing we have MeeGo ;) Apr 04 21:57:08 b-man17, meh. Apr 04 21:57:19 b-man17, MeeGo's not going to be as big of an answer as you think. Apr 04 21:57:26 It doesn't get you any of Nokia's differentiation crap Apr 04 21:57:38 Which, despite being crap, actually makes for a usable experience. Apr 04 21:57:51 a year from now, apple will make something new and all companies will switch to it, of course, it will be crap but hey it's apple Apr 04 21:57:53 true Apr 04 21:58:25 not going to start apple-nokia wars, ignore my statement Apr 04 21:58:59 * b-man17 wants to work for Google xD Apr 04 21:59:51 hello Apr 04 22:00:23 hello, matokizo Apr 04 22:00:43 OMG :D Apr 04 22:01:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhblfJxNrp0 Apr 04 22:02:15 0:25 - russian guy pwnz iPad dramatically :D Apr 04 22:04:28 can counterfeit batteries damage my N810? :| Apr 04 22:05:56 nobody is sharing 3g connexion from n900 to usb connected laptop ? Apr 04 22:11:02 .query ppriyank_ Apr 04 22:11:07 :/ Apr 04 22:11:19 yes? Apr 04 22:11:22 no luck? Apr 04 22:11:22 massoud: works fine via bluetooth Apr 04 22:12:07 Treibholz: how ? Apr 04 22:12:31 with a linux laptop ? Apr 04 22:12:56 massoud: you need to install the profile Apr 04 22:13:27 apt-cache search tethering Apr 04 22:13:41 there you'l find it Apr 04 22:14:28 ~ping Apr 04 22:14:29 ~pong Apr 04 22:14:51 and then you may use it just like any other phone as umts modem Apr 04 22:16:56 Treibholz: and for usb how would you do ? Apr 04 22:17:51 massoud, didnt i already tell you this was entirely possible earlier? which os are you struggling with on your laptop? Apr 04 22:18:23 massoud: don't know... Apr 04 22:19:50 lcuk : i am missing sthing cause my n900 doesn t appears like a modem for my debian off the shelf Apr 04 22:20:12 sorry it s not out of the box working Apr 04 22:20:36 and iptables doesn t support nat with maemo 5 Apr 04 22:21:14 ok, from the device point of view, lets assume that just switching it to pc suite mode sets up that side of it Apr 04 22:21:25 that means that the ubuntu connection manager does all the work Apr 04 22:21:42 so thats the bit you are missing on your debian Apr 04 22:22:12 is there any way i can print this information for you (or try to) whilst i keep a connection Apr 04 22:22:21 to try and diagnose what you need to do in debian? Apr 04 22:22:37 which ubuntu package is handling that connexion ? Apr 04 22:22:54 i dunno, it comes up in the normal connection applet when i plug in device Apr 04 22:23:12 ill grab phone now, just a min Apr 04 22:23:33 hmm Apr 04 22:23:41 j #maemo-devel Apr 04 22:23:43 oops Apr 04 22:23:47 before I buy another battery, maybe I should consider discarding the N810 Apr 04 22:23:55 since the AC adapter seems to bend fairly easy Apr 04 22:25:12 is PR1.2 out Apr 04 22:25:13 * V13 ducks Apr 04 22:25:27 they skipped to PR1.3 Apr 04 22:25:37 it was released ~40 mins ago Apr 04 22:25:37 ~ping Apr 04 22:25:38 ~pong Apr 04 22:25:47 the dl is quite bogged down tho Apr 04 22:25:56 probably won't be able to get it for a while realisticly Apr 04 22:27:46 i've come to the conclusion that if DR Who was real he would use a N900 Apr 04 22:29:03 because of generally doing everything? Apr 04 22:29:43 anotnac: that's deep thought. on drugs? :-P Apr 04 22:29:56 i do get the feeling that in fiction it would tend to look like a convenient plot device Apr 04 22:30:06 i mean, why exactly can it control car radios? Apr 04 22:30:16 why not ? Apr 04 22:30:37 kinda, i was watching DR Who on iplayer via n900 whilst on drugs when it hit me Apr 04 22:30:53 :P Apr 04 22:31:36 is there any dictionary for N900? Apr 04 22:31:41 n900 choked on iplayer for me Apr 04 22:31:53 rather i need a spellcheck in email and browser Apr 04 22:32:00 might have been the HD version, didn't try that hard :P Apr 04 22:32:09 i was using bigscreen version made for wii i believe Apr 04 22:32:38 ok massoud, its in a section called mobile broadband on the profiles list, and its on usb0 Apr 04 22:35:30 does it have a BBC-approved DRMed iplayer, or does one use get_iplayer? Apr 04 22:36:44 i was streaming using this link http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/bigscreen/ Apr 04 22:40:33 ffs... the builder imported an older version of my package... now I'll have to wait half an hour... this is the worst waiting thing in packaging. Apr 04 22:42:07 v13 :) Apr 04 22:42:47 i guess this is how really old developers used to feel running mainframes Apr 04 22:43:00 commiting batch jobs and waiting for their app to run Apr 04 22:43:12 well... yes... Apr 04 22:43:30 waiting whilst the pile of cards was processed and you hope you ordered them correctly :p Apr 04 22:43:36 except that I *must* be there/online to press "promote package" when this thing happens... if I could schedule it then it would be ok. Apr 04 22:44:00 i have been in your sitatuation before now Apr 04 22:44:31 those 30 minutes last about 5 hours... Apr 04 22:46:49 smetimes longer if theres other human intervention along the way Apr 04 22:52:30 in the meantime, you're all invited to download tecnoballz. the imported version (0.92-3) is exactly the same as the not-yet-imported versions (0.92-4). The latter only has a better description and as soon as it is imported I'll promote it to extras-testing. Apr 04 22:52:35 The link is here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/tecnoballz/0.92-3/ Apr 04 22:56:07 nice i will try it out i like arknoid type games Apr 04 22:58:02 it's arcanoid on steroids.. Apr 04 22:59:17 just installed gonna give it a spin Apr 04 23:00:59 wow gameplay is fast smashing and dropping items Apr 04 23:01:11 yes.. Apr 04 23:02:12 wow what was them circle things i collected shooting millions of balls and demolished everything] Apr 04 23:02:26 hehehe :) Apr 04 23:02:29 it does it some times :) Apr 04 23:02:40 as i said... arcanoid on steroids :) Apr 04 23:03:13 note: it is not my creation. i just packaged it for n900. Apr 04 23:03:31 it seems to be an old game. very nice though! Apr 04 23:04:42 more like arcanoid on acid i'd say Apr 04 23:04:44 lol Apr 04 23:10:05 nice game will kill some time with that Apr 04 23:10:51 wait until you reach level 5 :) Apr 04 23:11:18 i got to 4 or 5 and died lol Apr 04 23:12:23 i'm addicted to taking my n900 to the bathrooom with me i forget why i'm there and sit there an hour playing games or doing customisation mods lol Apr 04 23:12:41 this will be a game for there too lol Apr 04 23:12:49 i take my laptop and n900 with me Apr 04 23:13:00 lol.. this is really funny Apr 04 23:13:02 lol Apr 04 23:13:22 im gonna install a twitter client on my toilet Apr 04 23:13:28 it sounds ridiculous... Apr 04 23:13:36 but the worst thing is that i do it too :) Apr 04 23:13:37 "user sat down, 15stone 4oz" Apr 04 23:13:41 V13: it's modern version of newspaper Apr 04 23:13:43 :))) Apr 04 23:13:50 lcuk: nailed it :) Apr 04 23:13:50 "user standing, 14stone 8oz" Apr 04 23:13:57 omg that would make the press lcuk Apr 04 23:14:34 nahhh, its a crap story Apr 04 23:14:43 lcuk: livestrong.com/myplate - has a RSS feed Apr 04 23:14:49 the sun will run with it then Apr 04 23:14:50 you can tweet what you've eaten Apr 04 23:14:52 ... Apr 04 23:15:19 maefoods or maemoeats os something group on flickr i think Apr 04 23:16:26 maegirls integration lol Apr 04 23:19:21 is there a tmo games section moderator here Apr 04 23:19:41 ok.. tecnoballz is in extras-testing. Apr 04 23:20:10 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49189 Apr 04 23:21:03 is that a custom levels he posted or [paid pack Apr 04 23:25:26 downloaded it... it seems to be a package for the iphone Apr 04 23:25:30 (it's a zip) Apr 04 23:27:26 hmm Apr 04 23:27:35 I'm guessing tecnoballz is optified? Apr 04 23:27:54 yes Apr 04 23:28:06 cool Apr 04 23:28:17 * microlith gets Apr 04 23:29:06 well.. it installs a couple of files in / but that's the icon and the desktop file.. less than 10Kbytes Apr 04 23:29:14 sure Apr 04 23:30:00 anotnac: it's the custom levelpack Apr 04 23:30:10 nid0 I don't think so. Apr 04 23:31:15 why is it a IPA file itunes wants to open it and it trys to over write my ipod version Apr 04 23:32:56 ah well god knows, looked like the custom maps but could be a pirate copy of the proper ones Apr 04 23:33:10 nid0 it seems to be the iphone app. Apr 04 23:33:13 is anyone/has anyone given brain party in -testing a test yet? Apr 04 23:33:26 xm.. is it in testing ? Apr 04 23:34:43 Hi to all! New in this room :) Apr 04 23:35:00 i'm testing it one of the games crashes and freezes up phone, its the game with jewels what slide in lines, it was only in devel yesterday Apr 04 23:35:08 alicemirror, people are situated in multiple channels, its just those you started with are more specific Apr 04 23:36:33 ok, but in effect I'm working in this development phase in UI (on N900 platform) Do you think that #maemo-ui is not appropriate ? Apr 04 23:37:53 i dunno Apr 04 23:38:01 no1 knows what you are doing Apr 04 23:38:37 just thought you might get more response if you talk in general first Apr 04 23:39:02 SpeedEvil, 4179mV @ 95mA Apr 04 23:39:06 (charging mugen) Apr 04 23:39:20 I think it's right. In effect I started also in these specific channels to see what are the discussion arguments. Apr 04 23:40:44 ShadowJK: that's sane, and should eventually trip Ilim-chend Apr 04 23:41:30 (at least if you 'suspend' the phone - dark screen, no powerhogs) Apr 04 23:42:13 nite all, sweet dreams Apr 04 23:42:35 Wow. GPS is a hog. Apr 04 23:42:40 100mA Apr 04 23:42:41 I'm not doing proper sampling at the moment, but based on one sample per minute, I'm at 1500mAh right now :) Apr 04 23:42:55 SpeedEvil, log window log file off, location-test-gui? Apr 04 23:43:06 yes Apr 04 23:43:27 +100mA that is Apr 04 23:43:32 1500mAh, 4181mV @ 90mA... kinda far from the 2400mAh on the label ;p Apr 04 23:44:18 SpeedEvil: fix? Apr 04 23:44:48 oops - yes, that's with a fix Apr 04 23:45:10 SpeedEvil: until fix it runs 1/2 a mio corellators, after fix only some 10 Apr 04 23:45:48 ShadowJK: you are using mugen battery, isn't it? Is it true that with this battery you can't use an MicroSD card? Apr 04 23:45:49 so THAT's damn scary Apr 04 23:45:56 ptl_demands_PR12, yes Apr 04 23:46:07 however - it was an indoors fix - maybe it's lighter outside Apr 04 23:46:30 ptl_demands_PR12, the battery is physically much bigger, it requires a new battery cover. The current battery cover is missing the required things to make N900 detect that the battery cover is installed, and it refuses to let you use MicroSD card Apr 04 23:46:36 ShadowJK: :/ that's really bad, because my main use for such a big battery would be to experiment with stuff such as Mer and Meego. Apr 04 23:47:00 ShadowJK: only because of that stupid little magnet? Apr 04 23:47:00 muhahahagen Apr 04 23:47:02 ptl_demands_PR12, Mugen has said they're working on a new battery cover to fix these issues. They've said that customers will get the new cover when it's ready. Apr 04 23:47:59 I also emailed them about the thermistor vs resistor issue, and the CSR said he was forwarding my email to their engineers and that he'd update me next week Apr 04 23:48:19 oh dear Apr 04 23:48:24 I was eying up that battery Apr 04 23:48:41 ShadowJK: (thermistor) see my post to tmo Apr 04 23:49:01 err, bugtrac Apr 04 23:49:06 DocScrutinizer, yes well I checked 4 generations of nokia batteries and they all had a resistor Apr 04 23:49:19 and mugen got it right with their previous N800 battery Apr 04 23:49:29 sure, but it doesn't make any difference Apr 04 23:49:30 * ptl_demands_PR12 doesn't know this thermistor vs resistor issue Apr 04 23:50:03 hmm. Apr 04 23:50:18 anyone here had problems with Qt::WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation? Apr 04 23:50:29 ptl_demands_PR12: somebody assumed the third contact on battery is to signal bat capacity. This assumption was out of thin air and obviously is wrong Apr 04 23:50:32 problems being "it doesn't work" Apr 04 23:51:02 * GeneralAntilles despises blogs that watermark images that aren't their own. Apr 04 23:51:04 DocScrutinizer, well imo it's kinda silly to say "not standardized" or something like that, I take it as a given that Nokia does things to make life hard for third party battery manufacturers :-) Apr 04 23:51:15 DocScrutinizer: hmm Apr 04 23:51:26 ShadowJK: LOL Apr 04 23:52:04 ShadowJK: then for sure they'd use something sophisticated like those printer-cartrige manufs do Apr 04 23:52:15 rather than a silly resistor Apr 04 23:52:28 But all the leaked nokia service manuals I've seen have called third pin "Battery Size Indicator".. and all the batteries I currently have (sorry, threw out the nimh stuff a few years ago) behave like third pin is a simple resistor, bigger resistors for bigger batteries Apr 04 23:53:11 DocScrutinizer: you're right. In aquisition mode - it uses _200_mA! Apr 04 23:53:28 And Mugen has used resistors for their previous batteries before, so I dunno wtf happened :) Apr 04 23:53:52 I wonder how much cheaper this was than a SiRF or whatever than manages with 20. Apr 04 23:54:28 it's a simple resistor nowadays, to stay compatible with older thermistor design. And yes, nokia used the size of this resistor sometimes to distinguish TYPES of battery, where e.g both NiCad and LiIon were available for same bat formfactor Apr 04 23:55:14 anyway resistor value to type of battery is a lookup table, not an algorithm Apr 04 23:56:01 yes, I suspect it's something like resistance = type * constant + size * constant Apr 04 23:56:01 SpeedEvil: WTF!?!! Apr 04 23:56:33 SpeedEvil, FWIW, I saw far smaller power consumption than you've seen when I tested the gps Apr 04 23:56:41 ShadowJK: exactly _not_ afaik Apr 04 23:57:25 DocScrutinizer, I guess I should find some resistors and connect them to BSI and reboot my N8x0 a few times to see how battery.design capacity as reported by BME changes? :-) Apr 04 23:57:29 see BL-5C which comes in 3..4 different flavours from some 750..1200. All have same resistor afaik Apr 04 23:58:38 ShadowJK: It may be it's in poor signal conditions. It's barely getting a signal - 50m error - indoors Apr 04 23:58:50 you should test the thermistor value of mugen or any older nokia bat with thermistor, over the range from -15C to +65C Apr 04 23:58:51 I rarely see 50m :) Apr 04 23:59:17 DocScrutinizer, the mugen battery's resistance value changed about 30kOhm over a 10C temperature range Apr 04 23:59:20 I will try outside tomorrow - but it's cold. Apr 04 23:59:23 you'd be amazed and learn there's no room to code designed capacity PLUS temp the way you suggested Apr 04 23:59:43 the nokia batteries measured +- 1 digit on my DMM within that 10C range Apr 05 00:00:02 I am suggesting that there's no temperature coding, at all. Apr 05 00:00:41 ShadowJK: not on modern cells. See my comment on bugtrac Apr 05 00:01:35 I think they just dropped the temperature coding and changed it into size-only coding at some point Apr 05 00:02:08 they *do* *no* size coding Apr 05 00:02:28 they do chemistry type coding, if anything at all Apr 05 00:02:29 battery.reporting.design = 398 Apr 05 00:02:51 This value, 398mAh, changes depending on the temperature of my N900 when I boot it with the mugen battery :-) Apr 05 00:03:22 The battery meter gets progressively suckier the hotter my N900 is when I boot it with mugen Apr 05 00:03:43 Surely once they have the chemistry, everything else can be corrected in software enough to keep the system safe? Apr 05 00:03:51 well, dunno what they specified for N900 bat, anyway they do different on every battery they build Apr 05 00:04:07 Yeah, could be Apr 05 00:05:14 ShadowJK: even that's no wonder at all (getting worse the warmer the cell). Voltage vs charge curve changes with temperature, that's a chemistry effect Apr 05 00:05:47 well the meter performs no better after battery has cooled down (with no reboot in between) :) Apr 05 00:06:15 BME does some very strange heuristics it seems Apr 05 00:06:18 Which leads me to think that the resistance is measured on boot, and used as reference value for the capacity of a full battery Apr 05 00:06:47 you'd need to test with different fixed R values Apr 05 00:06:52 to know for sure Apr 05 00:07:11 always boot with same bat voltage Apr 05 00:07:16 yeah, I agree Apr 05 00:07:19 but different R Apr 05 00:07:48 FWIW, I booted N810 with BSI unconnected, and it said design capacity 0 and refused to charge :P Apr 05 00:08:48 Where do I get hold of the config file for the default N900 kernel? I ran "apt-get source kernel" and it's not there Apr 05 00:09:31 isn't there a arch/arm/defconfig/*RX51* or something? Apr 05 00:09:41 RX-51 maybe Apr 05 00:09:52 Ah. Thanks. :) Apr 05 00:10:09 I'm not used to working with crossdev, but am used to playing with normal kernel sources... Apr 05 00:10:23 this is still within "normal" parameters ;) Apr 05 00:10:45 Not when you are used to gentoo :p Apr 05 00:10:48 lol Apr 05 00:11:20 ShadowJK: you checked schematics? isn't it strange what they do to BSI, and then it ends at GAZOO... Apr 05 00:11:35 Which drops a .config (or generates a default one)... Anyway, I want to tweak a little (add modules which should be there!) Apr 05 00:11:53 DocScrutinizer, iirc it's connected to ADC on Gaia /and/ something on Gazoo.. Apr 05 00:11:54 from other modems I know they refuse to ramp up to full power with battery too cold or too hot Apr 05 00:12:24 except for 911 Apr 05 00:13:05 as you can ruin the cell with too high current (in/out) when not inside safe temp range Apr 05 00:13:14 From the way bme behaves so differently from what b27200 is reporting, I had, before even discovering this thermistor vs resistor thing, suspected that Gazoo has its own charge monitoring stuff.. Apr 05 00:14:11 N900 looks kinda like a dual-personality beast.. the openish OMAP on one side of the circuit board, and the closed nokia components on the other side.. Apr 05 00:14:40 We hope the closed part will succumb to the pressure first. Apr 05 00:14:46 While N8x0 looked more like a hybrid with mostly Nokia components and a TI SoC :P Apr 05 00:15:18 * DocScrutinizer thinks nokia implemented 3 or 4 different bat mgmt machines, so they can use the one that turns out to be the best/easiest/most convenient for them Apr 05 00:15:53 Yeah, even the FTD output on N8x0 looks like 3 different engines :) Apr 05 00:16:25 * MohammadAG_ wonders if the N900 would run compiz Apr 05 00:17:10 After booting a warm N900 with mugen battery, and design capacity becoming ~300, the battery /bars/ looks sensible, but the battery reporting current mAh, and percantages are completely broken, staying at 100% until it drops to 0 Apr 05 00:17:44 maybe the battery.bars are based on voltage, with some heuristics making it "less likely" for the bars to increase without charger attached... Apr 05 00:18:32 and the reporting mAh value driven by Gazoo trying to count charge with the assumption the battery is 300mAh.. Apr 05 00:18:42 (+ voltage feedback) Apr 05 00:21:25 bme's algorithm seems like someone spent years and years adding ad-hoc algorithms and tons of code to present some usable output to the user when the input values are almost random :-D Apr 05 00:22:18 to answer my own earlier question about Qt::WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation.. not actually working until PR1.2 Apr 05 00:22:22 (how handy) Apr 05 00:22:28 :< Apr 05 00:24:54 bq24150 seems felixble enough it could be made to work with A123 cells :) Apr 05 00:25:17 but bq27200 needs some guidance from software for that Apr 05 00:25:34 nevermind why you'd want to use A123 cells.. Apr 05 00:26:13 i can't install stuff on the n900 anymore Apr 05 00:26:17 i need the upgrade lol Apr 05 00:26:35 Are you out of space on / ? Apr 05 00:27:20 ShadowJK: cycle life Apr 05 00:27:34 ShadowJK: and being able to charge in 2 minutes. Apr 05 00:27:44 very early days, still needs some UI work and a *lot* of speedup.. but: http://w00t.dereferenced.net/n900facebook.jpg Apr 05 00:27:51 lcuk: ^ if you're interested too :) Apr 05 00:28:38 what does the "update" button do that is different from "Check for new posts".. I don't have facebook, I'm facebook-illiterate Apr 05 00:28:41 w00t_, im interested from a technical perspective, but i dont have a facebook yet to test it with Apr 05 00:28:53 ShadowJK: sets your status Apr 05 00:29:03 Oh, right Apr 05 00:29:04 like mine there 'needs to go to bed soon' :P Apr 05 00:29:15 I was just asking because it looked like lots of space taken up by it :) Apr 05 00:29:25 the UI really needs to be hit with a brick Apr 05 00:29:45 this is literally the first time it's run on an n900, all development was done on my desktop, so Apr 05 00:30:10 I'd put update and check for new shit into titlebar menu... but then I'd worry about the idiots^Wusers not knowing that titlebar menu exists Apr 05 00:30:26 oh, that's impressive then :) Apr 05 00:30:28 update will probably stay where it is as that's a fairly common action Apr 05 00:30:36 check for new posts will probably move Apr 05 00:30:37 ShadowJK: there's not much guidance you'd be able to do for bq25x00 Apr 05 00:30:44 err bq27x00 Apr 05 00:31:11 DocScrutinizer, DONE in command register :) Apr 05 00:31:15 iirc Apr 05 00:31:39 Ok... so the N900 CAN do packet forwarding on the default kernel... Apr 05 00:33:48 RobbieAB: o rly? Apr 05 00:34:11 Anything ive missed in the last couple of days? Apr 05 00:34:25 Well, the option is certainly in /proc Apr 05 00:34:37 However... NAT is a different matter. Apr 05 00:34:44 :) Apr 05 00:34:50 which makes it useless. Apr 05 00:35:00 200kbps out of 3 in the middle of exeter at 5pm .. is that normal for 3g providers or do 3 just suck? :P Apr 05 00:35:33 "ouf of 3"? Apr 05 00:35:37 hey haltdef i was in exeter area this weekend. :) Apr 05 00:35:43 C-S-B-N900: It's one less module I need to add :p Apr 05 00:35:54 3 being my provider Apr 05 00:35:56 5pm is like rush hour for internet isn't it.. Apr 05 00:36:04 heh, where exactly? Apr 05 00:36:25 RobbieAB: are you looking to implement a 3g ap? Apr 05 00:36:35 C-S-B-N900: Yes Apr 05 00:36:37 haltdef: dawlish Apr 05 00:36:40 :o Apr 05 00:36:43 I live in dawlish Apr 05 00:37:00 C-S-B-N900: But to BT and not WiFi. Apr 05 00:37:26 RobbieAB: whats wrong with dun? Apr 05 00:37:41 haltdef: 3g sucks in dawlish. Apr 05 00:38:00 3g doesn't matter when you live there, got dsl :P Apr 05 00:38:02 RobbieAB, there something wrong with the existing BT tethering? Apr 05 00:38:07 haltdef: im on O2, which iirc is what 3 fallover to. Apr 05 00:38:16 for anyone wanting updates as I progress with this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49216 Apr 05 00:38:24 C-S-B-N900: Can't have multiple computers using it at the same time? Apr 05 00:38:37 3 have their own 3g network + sharing agreement with t-mob, use orange's 2g net Apr 05 00:38:47 switched from o2 for 2g a while back I believe Apr 05 00:39:03 RobbieAB: does bt have the bandwidth for that: Apr 05 00:39:08 ShadowJK: the N900 doesn't do BT PAN Access Point. By default PAN is switched off, but is installed. Apr 05 00:39:25 total bandwidth is going to depend on cell size, number of users, and amount of spectrum available (decided by regulator and size of cells)... Apr 05 00:39:42 C-S-B-N900: BT EDR should give 14Mbs, my 3G is 3Mbs Apr 05 00:39:46 Ah, I've only ever used BT DUN and direct USB tethering Apr 05 00:40:06 I've never seen more than 1Mbit/s on BT EDR Apr 05 00:40:26 Which is enough for getting email :p Apr 05 00:40:37 so haltdef, living in dawlish, that must make you 75? Apr 05 00:40:50 no, 19 :P Apr 05 00:41:13 dad got a job in exeter a few months ago, I had no real choice but to follow from the midlands Apr 05 00:41:16 haltdef: is it as boring and oap populated as it seems? Apr 05 00:41:21 not that I don't like it here Apr 05 00:41:23 yes! Apr 05 00:42:13 ipplepen is an awesome name btw. Apr 05 00:42:59 cockwood's my favourite Apr 05 00:44:45 so haltdef shame i didnt know you earlier, we could have had a linux/n900 meet up. Apr 05 00:45:04 honestly linux pisses me off :x Apr 05 00:45:13 :O Apr 05 00:45:19 love it on the n900 but on desktop .. no thanks, tried it, happier on windows Apr 05 00:45:32 your choice. Apr 05 00:45:48 a bad one, but yours. Apr 05 00:45:53 :P Apr 05 00:46:10 why does it piss you if i may? Apr 05 00:46:11 I do make an effort to give it another go every so often, but it's been a while Apr 05 00:46:16 w00t_, fsck internet dead Apr 05 00:46:24 effor tto make simple things work Apr 05 00:46:29 if you try to use linux as windows it will piss you off because it's not windows. Apr 05 00:46:31 lcukn900: :( Apr 05 00:46:46 if you use linux as linux, it's a wonderful SO and does everything you want from it Apr 05 00:46:53 like? i dont have trouble with anything day to day. Apr 05 00:47:04 me too Apr 05 00:47:18 I don't want to do any command line hackery to get my bluetooth mouse or earphones to work Apr 05 00:47:20 and I use it at my job, at college and at home. Only. Apr 05 00:47:27 So don't. Apr 05 00:47:30 haltdef: i dont. Apr 05 00:47:46 that meant no bluetooth mouse or earphones for me last time I used it :p Apr 05 00:47:48 ptl_n900, i discount that. unubtu has awful bug if i use it normally Apr 05 00:47:51 but having the command line is good if everything else fails Apr 05 00:48:01 haltdef: just click the bluetooth icon Apr 05 00:48:04 and it is also awesome for automating things Apr 05 00:48:06 haltdef: Stop blaming the OS for Nokias decisions. They chose to disable the HID profile :p Apr 05 00:48:20 I'm not talking on the n900, happy with it there :p Apr 05 00:49:04 really should keep my dislike of linux quiet in here, gonna get myself killed or something Apr 05 00:49:07 Than I'm surprised, as my experience with non-hacker distros is they are pretty close to getting it right. Apr 05 00:50:00 http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles#HID_host_.28i.e._support_for_Bluetooth_keyboards.29 Apr 05 00:50:48 haltdef: probably a smart move :) chances are a lot of people in this channel can shoot down most of your linux complaints (vs some other os) as being not an os problem, but a problem of either closed hw vendors, or distribution choices, or simple bias Apr 05 00:50:50 :) Apr 05 00:51:06 * C-S-B-N900 should stop reading his name as DocScrotumizer Apr 05 00:51:43 mm, some things are far from the fault of the OS itself but still affect its usability Apr 05 00:51:47 pal, you got NO IDEA :-P Apr 05 00:52:12 last I checked blu-ray playback just wasn't possible without removing drm Apr 05 00:52:13 :) Apr 05 00:52:15 haltdef: you can't get killed by voicing your opinion on IRC... Nevertheless, the reason of the rejection of such utterances by some linux hackers is due to the fact that linux is a perfectly usable desktop, in some parts much better than windows (e.g. windows management), but some people tuned with the mental mode of windows which can't learn something new just do not seem to adapt. Apr 05 00:52:16 (which itself can diaf) Apr 05 00:52:22 haltdef: Some of my biggest gripes with OSX are directly related to decisions apple made, ditto with windows. Apr 05 00:52:30 (ok, windows were MS decisions) Apr 05 00:52:57 haltdef: bluray is not a linux limitation. Apr 05 00:53:03 I know :p Apr 05 00:53:26 window management in linux on ubuntu at least is odd Apr 05 00:53:26 Do we really care about BluRay? Apr 05 00:53:33 yes. Apr 05 00:53:37 own a few Apr 05 00:53:41 the time i click a button for makes result differnt Apr 05 00:53:47 moin raster Apr 05 00:53:57 On our computers? (Or even our tellys), are we actually getting any benefit from the supposedly better image? Apr 05 00:53:58 haltdef: and although i have to pump it through dumphd into mplayer, i can play bluray happily. Apr 05 00:54:08 see, hackery Apr 05 00:54:12 pop disc in and work please Apr 05 00:54:19 clicking x in ubuntu very quickly actually passes the close event to a window behind Apr 05 00:54:21 * RobbieAB cackles insanely Apr 05 00:54:25 its infuriating Apr 05 00:54:28 :o Apr 05 00:54:30 That REALLY doesn't work on ANY OS Apr 05 00:54:31 it's 'hackery' until someone makes a pretty interface for it. Apr 05 00:54:48 at least you've got this option Apr 05 00:54:50 this is the point Apr 05 00:54:59 ms media centre works a treat Apr 05 00:55:02 in Windows you don't have this option. Apr 05 00:55:04 ~ubuntu Apr 05 00:55:05 Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see ). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. Apr 05 00:55:22 lcukn900: So long as you agree to play by their rules. Apr 05 00:55:27 playing dvd. pop in memory card. click play on dialog Apr 05 00:55:36 How well can windows handle ogg files? Apr 05 00:55:42 ~ubuntu also is http://xkcd.com/424/ Apr 05 00:55:43 * infobot lovingly explains to also is http://xkcd.com/424/ in a way that causes also is http://xkcd.com/424/ to weep with gratitude that also is http://xkcd.com/424/ must read the fine, friendly manual Apr 05 00:55:44 play episode from usb. stop it. carry on dvd Apr 05 00:55:46 RobbieAB: very well Apr 05 00:55:46 seamless Apr 05 00:55:54 jacekowski: out of the box? Apr 05 00:55:56 robbie i dunno Apr 05 00:56:01 i think so Apr 05 00:56:04 where can i buy ogg files from? Apr 05 00:56:09 nowhere Apr 05 00:56:13 do they work in my car stereo? Apr 05 00:56:15 jacekowski: not the last time I checked. Apr 05 00:56:15 buy flac Apr 05 00:56:20 err Apr 05 00:56:22 RobbieAB: xp maybe not Apr 05 00:56:25 DocScrutinizer: docz! Apr 05 00:56:26 o.O Apr 05 00:56:32 ~Debian policy Apr 05 00:56:33 * infobot tells policy to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Apr 05 00:56:41 but i'm sure that win7 supports ogg out of the box Apr 05 00:56:48 mp3 = more universal Apr 05 00:56:57 I just meant that for all the fancy stuff, it is trivially easy to trip it up and than it's horribly hard to get to work. Apr 05 00:57:06 well i either use mp3 or flac Apr 05 00:57:11 Linux? Mostly my experiences are that LESS hackery is needed Apr 05 00:57:14 or whatever i was given Apr 05 00:57:17 jacekowski: really, thats a step in the right directi Apr 05 00:57:18 but it would never need to trip Apr 05 00:57:31 possibly someone vandalized infobot's factoid database? Apr 05 00:57:35 lcukn900: Try working on a helpdesk :p Apr 05 00:57:49 C-S-B-N900: problem with that is that EU will eat microsoft because of that at some point Apr 05 00:57:59 robbie, how do you know i dont now Apr 05 00:58:02 C-S-B-N900: as they did with IE Apr 05 00:58:06 C-S-B-N900: and media player Apr 05 00:58:36 lcukn900: because if you are seriously telling me that windows "can't be tripped up" or shouldn't ever be, you are, frankly, deluded, no offence. Apr 05 00:59:01 so far, realplayer formats, quicktime formats, neither work "Out of the box" on windows. Apr 05 00:59:13 i never said it couldnt be tripped up. but the argument you gibe is not one that would be needed Apr 05 00:59:18 RobbieAB: blueray is DEFINITELy better quality than dvd. visibly better by a wide margin. but then again all my screens are at least 1920x1080 or better and my eyesight is better than 20/20 - so to me it stands out like a sore thumb if its dvd quality vs full hd Apr 05 00:59:29 its like 32kbit mp3 vs 256kbit Apr 05 00:59:33 RobbieAB: because of license limitations Apr 05 00:59:34 every linux media player worth talking off handles it. Apr 05 00:59:36 for an audio equivalent Apr 05 00:59:36 customers who get music really dont often accidentally a whole ogg Apr 05 00:59:44 (well to my eyes it is) Apr 05 00:59:51 RobbieAB: and you are saying loads of bullshit Apr 05 00:59:55 raster: better than 20/20 Apr 05 00:59:57 RobbieAB: not you Apr 05 00:59:58 ? Apr 05 01:00:07 raster: you are saying loads of bullshit Apr 05 01:00:22 C-S-B-N900: well i can pass the 20/20 vision tests and still read smaller test. Apr 05 01:00:28 raster: Some people do, 99% of people can't see it, and certainly can't see it on a 40" screen from 10 feet. Apr 05 01:00:41 raster: there is no way that anybody can tell the difference between dvd and blu ray from normal viewing distance Apr 05 01:00:49 jacekowski: am i? please explain. since graphics is not just a hobby, but it's been pretty much my life's work. Apr 05 01:00:58 ~ubuntu is also http://xkcd.com/424/ Apr 05 01:01:00 * infobot lovingly explains to is also http://xkcd.com/424/ in a way that causes is also http://xkcd.com/424/ to weep with gratitude that is also http://xkcd.com/424/ must read the fine, friendly manual Apr 05 01:01:01 And furthermore, where it can be seen, it's often distracting. Apr 05 01:01:06 night dudes. Apr 05 01:01:09 jacekowski, sure there is but thats by the by Apr 05 01:01:27 http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=MOOBEX "MOOBEX stands for Multimedia Out-Of-Box EXperience. It is a test suite of multimedia samples designing to testing an operating system's multimedia capabilities when that OS is in its freshest state (just after it has been installed)." Apr 05 01:01:35 jacekowski: i call bullshit on that. i can. by a country mile. just because your eyes are broken, does not mean mine are. i can absolutely tell the difference. Apr 05 01:01:38 ~literal ubuntu Apr 05 01:01:39 "ubuntu" is "Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see ). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian." Apr 05 01:01:44 graphics is what i do Apr 05 01:02:01 i will bithc about thigns being 1 pixel off - on a 300dpi screen. Apr 05 01:02:08 raster and i for one am glad of it Apr 05 01:02:43 raster: What is the dots per arc second of full HD on 40" from 10'? Apr 05 01:02:45 is bluray still compressed in yuv Apr 05 01:03:00 with half resolution uv Apr 05 01:03:08 blu-ray is definitely much better quality (well lets just talk 480p vs full 1080p as thats the real nuts and bolts) Apr 05 01:03:40 RobbieAB: i'm not a human calculator for you. you do the math yourself :) Apr 05 01:03:46 now you are just talking marketing Apr 05 01:03:50 lcukn900: correct. as is dvd. Apr 05 01:03:51 and bullshit Apr 05 01:04:20 yeah raster. when we see full hd games they are rendered at higher rgba res then Apr 05 01:04:23 raster: I don't need to, because I already no the answer is somewhere approaching visibility... but on 40" it is only APPROACHING. Apr 05 01:04:26 it's like contrast 1:3000 is worse than 1:6000 Apr 05 01:04:31 which surprised me when i realised Apr 05 01:04:32 i.e. It's still not visible. Apr 05 01:04:37 but nobody can see difference Apr 05 01:05:21 robbie i used to think i couldnt tell pixels apart on my 225dpi screen Apr 05 01:05:25 now i notice Apr 05 01:05:38 and the dpi is higher on n900 Apr 05 01:05:40 It takes 52-60" for 99% of the world to actually see the pixels, from normal viewing distance. Apr 05 01:05:40 jacekowski: no. i'm not. 1920x1080 is a significant amount more pixels than the 720x480 or so of dvd. Apr 05 01:05:47 its not bullshit. its simple math Apr 05 01:06:05 you have the same spattial fidelity loss in uv in both dvd and bluray - so its moot comparing Apr 05 01:06:15 how close you have to be to see that difference? Apr 05 01:06:33 infobot has a strange kinda humor Apr 05 01:06:55 lcukn900: you can tell the the difference if you get very close. That said, 300dpi is getting to the point where from 3 inches you need a magnifying glass. Apr 05 01:06:57 jacekowski: the experience probably probably varies for different blueray disks, the first one that I bought had excellent image quality (and I decided that I'm not going back to DVD), but a few others unfortunately did not and I had to reconsider :) Apr 05 01:07:31 RobbieAB: then why ask the questions if you know so much? you dont even quote the numbers you aslo assume 10 feet - which is not often the case. have you lived in asia? probably not. lived in japan? where your living room quote often is 2.5m wide - not even 10ft. so distance from your head to tv is more like 6ft Apr 05 01:07:32 upscaled dvd quick cashin on name ssvb? Apr 05 01:07:49 not to mention a prevalence of 40-50" or more tv's there at good prices Apr 05 01:08:15 i was talking with missus about wallmounting tv in bedroom tonight Apr 05 01:08:22 it has to be fun to watch 50" from 2m Apr 05 01:08:39 it is Apr 05 01:08:40 WITH THE VOLUME UP Apr 05 01:08:41 raster: Why ask the numbers? Ever heard of rhetorical questions? Attempts to make you think? Apr 05 01:08:46 you get a full field of view filled with tv :) Apr 05 01:08:51 or well.. most of the important bits Apr 05 01:08:52 :) Apr 05 01:09:36 RobbieAB: dude. i do graphics for a living. i dont need to be schooled with your numbers. i know what yoou are talking about. i happen to disagree. becuase your assumptions on tv sizes and distances are merely assumptions Apr 05 01:09:46 * RobbieAB is simply going to ignore raster as the kind of pretensious art twerp he has to deal with at work. Apr 05 01:09:48 also your assumption on human visual fidelity is just that - an assumption Apr 05 01:09:55 it is not the case for every home and person Apr 05 01:10:16 you say there is no difference between dvd and blu-ray Apr 05 01:10:38 i will bet hyou $100 that i will tell the difference easily - i do it all the time. Apr 05 01:10:38 No, I say that 99% of the world can't tell the difference. NOT that same at all Apr 05 01:11:21 but... you have your opinion - regardless of evidence to the contrary and i know people liek you - i deal with them at work al the time. they form and opinion and will never be dissuaded no matter the evidence. they are a pain in the butt. Apr 05 01:11:54 Do we really care about BluRay? Apr 05 01:12:06 On our computers? (Or even our tellys), are we actually getting any benefit from the supposedly better image? Apr 05 01:12:07 * ShadowJK looks slightly worried at his N810 pushing 1A current into its battery... Apr 05 01:12:17 nowhere did you mention "99%" Apr 05 01:12:22 Man eneloops are powerful.. I've never seen my tekkeon push this much current before :-) Apr 05 01:13:00 and the difference is even more pronounced with laptops and desktosp where screens are closer and can often exceed the resolution of most tv's Apr 05 01:13:10 robbie, raster has a long experience and is one of the principle experts in the field with numerous impressive systems under his belt. you are an unknown. i am sure if anyne has seen and worked with things you are hypothosising about it would be him Apr 05 01:13:11 raster: Apologies, I hadn't realised you were in that liberal group who thinks what's good for 1% of the world justifies ramming expensive and worthless overspeced solutions on the rest of us Apr 05 01:13:19 (well often enough in my home) Apr 05 01:13:28 lol Apr 05 01:13:32 nobody is forcing you do buy DVDs Apr 05 01:13:41 * lcukn900 happens to like hearing about graphical improvements Apr 05 01:13:50 probably you can still pirate VCDs from teh intarwebs :D Apr 05 01:13:59 * till- definitely can see the difference between sd and hd :) Apr 05 01:14:57 raster, +3 Apr 05 01:15:32 RobbieAB/raster, but either way, it's rather off topic. Apr 05 01:15:42 raster: Amazing how calm you're today ;-D Apr 05 01:15:49 RobbieAB, so quote something besides your made up statistics or kindly take it elsewhere. :) Apr 05 01:16:04 GeneralAntilles: + Apr 05 01:16:35 RobbieAB: look. it's pretty simple. i see a visible benefit of fulll hd video content. you question if we really car. wel.. i care. so we definitely doesn't include me. if your eyesight is shot - then thats not my problem. i disagree with your statement that says that full-hd basically offers no improvement for us in terms of visual quality. you of course, don't like that i disagree and decide to label me as a twerp and whatever else. as i su Apr 05 01:16:35 urmised. you are one of those people with an opinion and how dare anyone disagree with it OR you even be forced to re-asses your opinion. Apr 05 01:17:05 raster: hold it. leads nowhere Apr 05 01:17:18 as i said. i do graphics for a living. i spend my days staring at pixels generated, encoded, decoded and god knows what else. *I* care about visual fidelity. :) Apr 05 01:17:21 DocScrutinizer: true :) Apr 05 01:17:24 raster, so not worth the energy to waste moving your fingers around. ;) Apr 05 01:17:31 raster: I specifically asked for the critical numbers, and yoou claimed you didn't know, didn't care. Apr 05 01:17:49 RobbieAB: no. i said i wasnt a human calculator Apr 05 01:18:00 * ShadowJK wonders how come youtube uses x264 for baseline 480p h264, but still use some crappy whatever encoder for 720p and 1080p... Apr 05 01:18:03 anyway Apr 05 01:18:07 Before I said anything about lumping you in with the graphics people who assure me that A0 posters need to be done at 600DPI Apr 05 01:18:08 there's people who know raster, and there's people who think they know better Apr 05 01:18:12 But anyway. Apr 05 01:18:30 ShadowJK, really? Apr 05 01:18:35 you have also not quoted your supposed rehotical question's answer. so for now i will assume you are unable to back up the rhetorical bit of it. Apr 05 01:18:50 GeneralAntilles, well that's what I was told a month ago Apr 05 01:18:54 DocScrutinizer, lol. Apr 05 01:19:19 gentlemenn, please take it elsewhere Apr 05 01:19:24 and before that the story was that youtube used "XVID AVC", or in other words, they hired one of the xvid guys during summer break and he hacked up a h264 encoder for them :-) Apr 05 01:22:25 So at ~1C rate, N810 started tapering off charge at ~65% charge level :) Apr 05 01:22:48 you mean it started CV Apr 05 01:22:53 yes Apr 05 01:23:02 Well, kinda. Apr 05 01:23:03 sounds about norma Apr 05 01:23:05 l Apr 05 01:23:19 The charger in N8x0 is kinda "special" Apr 05 01:23:30 PWM regulated, PWM frequency about 1hz Apr 05 01:23:36 (and I didn't forget a letter there) Apr 05 01:23:52 or went down to <100% duty cycle, or whatever they might use for a charging method on N810 Apr 05 01:24:05 eh? Apr 05 01:24:10 If im porting some apps and I need to pull some apps from the debian repo which release/version should I use Apr 05 01:24:14 The battery voltage is momentarily spiking above 4.3V Apr 05 01:24:20 the n810 dc charger ... isnt dc? its 1hz ac? Apr 05 01:24:40 raster, the thing you plug into the power outlet is a powersupply Apr 05 01:24:50 raster: it's pulse widt modulated full-I charger Apr 05 01:24:51 yes Apr 05 01:25:11 input is ac (100-240v, 50-60hz or so etc.) Apr 05 01:25:12 raster, then the N810 switches the current on/off... at approx 1hz rate Apr 05 01:25:21 and output should be xV DC - right? Apr 05 01:25:37 oooh Apr 05 01:25:51 raster: right. ShadowJK is talking about the MBC circuit inside the n810 Apr 05 01:25:51 gotch Apr 05 01:25:59 so charging circuit is doing that Apr 05 01:26:04 es Apr 05 01:26:04 gotcha Apr 05 01:26:06 yup Apr 05 01:26:06 yes Apr 05 01:26:14 i know my pixels Apr 05 01:26:24 but dont ask me about charging stuff Apr 05 01:26:28 the dubious realm of pulsed charging essentially Apr 05 01:26:31 beyond "is the green light on?" Apr 05 01:26:32 :) Apr 05 01:26:38 ShadowJK: not unusual (PWM). 6210 (2000) does it too Apr 05 01:27:11 Yeah N900 is the first Nokia I've examined that doesn't do it Apr 05 01:27:35 that's why we got nasty BME heritage Apr 05 01:27:42 I think everything with 2mm chargiing port does it Apr 05 01:27:53 yep Apr 05 01:27:55 And non-ancient 3.5mm port too, probably Apr 05 01:28:25 that's why those chargers are defined to have a certain impedance of around maybe 1Ohm Apr 05 01:28:47 plus the acceptable voltage/current windows.. Apr 05 01:28:53 also ancient 3.5mm - see 6210 Apr 05 01:28:55 * lcukn900 sleeps Apr 05 01:29:05 gnite maemo \o Apr 05 01:29:06 6210 isn't that ancient :) Apr 05 01:29:14 c ya lcukn900 Apr 05 01:29:16 the 2000 model is Apr 05 01:29:30 I guess when I say ancient I mean nimh Apr 05 01:30:03 6210 came with LiIon but also was able to use NiMH battery pack Apr 05 01:30:32 * GeneralAntilles wonders where to find a dimmable 12v halogen light transformer. Apr 05 01:31:04 * MohammadAG_ pings w00t_ and kindly asks for the facebook app Apr 05 01:31:05 GeneralAntilles: they're all dimmable - you need the right dimmer though :-P Apr 05 01:31:06 I WANT IT NOW Apr 05 01:31:09 jk :P Apr 05 01:31:30 DocScrutinizer, well, OK, one that wont catch fire if I use a pretty standard incandescent dimmer switch. Apr 05 01:31:44 i.e., one of these http://www.smarthome.com/2476d.html Apr 05 01:31:54 it needs to cut out end of sine halfwave Apr 05 01:32:05 not switch on inmidst the wave Apr 05 01:32:05 The cheap Chinese one that's in there now makes lots of buzzing if you dim it. Apr 05 01:32:13 It also spits out ridiculous amounts of line noise. Apr 05 01:32:45 sure, and it's kill the t'transformer' 's rectifier Apr 05 01:33:46 you got a greatz bridge and a capacitor. now switch on at sine peak voltage - - - SURGE Apr 05 01:37:43 GeneralAntilles: for inductive loads you mustn't use switch-off dimmers (voltage spike), for capacitive loads you mustn't use switch-on dimmers (current surge) Apr 05 01:38:12 generally switch-off dimmers are more expensive than normal ones Apr 05 01:40:48 GeneralAntilles: so if you got an electronic 'transformer' you need to switch-off dim it. The heavy steel and copper monsters are hard to dim anyway, but if at all then with a special classic switch-on dimmer Apr 05 01:41:19 Yeah, the dimmer's switch-on, I think. Apr 05 01:41:52 most are Apr 05 01:42:33 switch-off are rare (as they're more expensive) and they are marked in big letters 'for electronic transformer use' Apr 05 01:43:01 Yeah, there were some at the home improvement center. Apr 05 01:43:04 or cut-out, switch-off OWTTE Apr 05 01:43:06 About $40 Apr 05 01:43:17 Unfortunately I don't know if anybody makes one for INSTEON. Apr 05 01:43:29 hehe Apr 05 01:43:50 homematic started with switch-off about 5 weeks ago Apr 05 01:47:04 Hrm, LVT-303-12 DC says "Dimmable with trailing and leading edge dimmers" Apr 05 01:47:16 duh Apr 05 01:47:17 Hooboy, $140 Apr 05 01:47:23 lol Apr 05 01:47:55 trailing edge it switch-off aiui Apr 05 01:48:12 ? Apr 05 01:48:20 Yeah Apr 05 01:52:11 hello all Apr 05 02:05:14 raster: what's the theoretical maximum bpp you get with usual video codec formats? Or is this a noob question... Apr 05 02:05:46 anyone seen briwerk? or britx lately? Apr 05 02:05:51 realize.uscd.edu Apr 05 02:06:06 ~seen briwerk Apr 05 02:06:08 i haven't seen 'briwerk', DocScrutinizer Apr 05 02:06:47 ~seen britx Apr 05 02:06:48 i haven't seen 'britx', lolznet Apr 05 02:07:00 ~seen briatx Apr 05 02:07:00 briatx was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 776d 17h 16m ago, saying: 'and pupnik too. are you ArnimS from ITT?'. Apr 05 02:07:03 DocScrutinizer, well you can decode it to float if you're insane ;p Apr 05 02:07:17 Not that it says anything about the actual signal level inside. Apr 05 02:07:37 ShadowJK: yeah, I can transcode 1bpp to 48bit rgb Apr 05 02:08:14 usually you target 8 bit per comoponent, iirc Apr 05 02:08:18 I'm interested in the actual precision/granularity used in codecs Apr 05 02:08:28 ahh, thanks Apr 05 02:08:29 though mpeg2 can have 10-12bit DC precision iirc Apr 05 02:09:13 DocScrutinizer: maximum theoretical bpp? Apr 05 02:09:14 hmm Apr 05 02:09:39 and that's probably carried over into mpeg4asp and mpeg4avc/h264 and used by nobody Apr 05 02:09:44 well technically its not an easy mapping from yuv to rgb thanks to the equation Apr 05 02:09:56 and linear-interpolation of u and v expand the colorspace theoretically Apr 05 02:10:10 as such 16bpp is definitely a subseet of yuv precision Apr 05 02:10:12 aah, yeah Apr 05 02:10:36 24bpp overall likely is a superset Apr 05 02:10:49 I think the best thing that h264 brought us was a bit-exact definition of the (i)DCT transform Apr 05 02:10:50 tho the problem is all that interpolation that theoretically can add an extra bit to r, g and b Apr 05 02:11:13 if u assume for now u can get exact neighbouring values to decode Apr 05 02:11:54 i'd have to do some math to figure it out really Apr 05 02:12:00 but even 18bpp wont be enough Apr 05 02:12:04 to cover it Apr 05 02:12:25 so as such - in the real world u will use 24/32bpp to cover yuv decode (properly) Apr 05 02:12:34 as really 18bpp exists - but is impractical Apr 05 02:12:45 16bpp is the next practical depth down from 24/32 Apr 05 02:12:46 yep Apr 05 02:12:54 (and by 32 i mean 24bp with 8 byte "alpha" padding) Apr 05 02:13:04 hehe alpha Apr 05 02:13:30 hm, lavc can do 11bits intra DC precision for mpeg2... but then I guess AC and inter is 8bit? I have no clue how that translates into per-frame RGB precision ;p Apr 05 02:14:36 raster: anyway you think crating a video from a 24bpp testpattern would yield a optimum codec exploitation Apr 05 02:14:55 do thus the quotes. for surfaces u use to com pose the fb it can be used as an alpha channel. but for the fb itself - this is rarely the case.. tho some hw actually does support the upper 8 bits of 32bpp to be an alpha channel/mask for overlaying a yuv buffer Apr 05 02:15:14 ShadowJK: its complicated Apr 05 02:15:37 sjha as such y, u and v have 8bit ranges once decoded, but you should only use a subset of them Apr 05 02:15:41 (min and max value) Apr 05 02:15:49 and these map to a range within the 8 bit rgb output Apr 05 02:16:14 technically as its an idct its a contiinuous function so talking of these bits is stupid as we are discretisiogn what is a continuous thing Apr 05 02:16:29 yeah Apr 05 02:16:44 but reality is it will have a resolution somewhere - and thats 99% likely the 8bits of decoded y, u and v from the decoder Apr 05 02:17:02 (just sanity fitting the color plans inot a space u can easily compute with) Apr 05 02:17:41 DocScrutinizer, a static test picture would only "test" the yuv<->rgb path really Apr 05 02:17:44 i need to look up the ranges and mappings again on y, u and v to check on what the actual fidelity may end up as for a mapping to r, g and b Apr 05 02:18:09 even then its a cubic problem as y, u and v all affect r, g and b out Apr 05 02:18:11 nevertheless there must be a rule of thumb where I can say with these specs this is a decent video file to test if the decoder cheats or does the full bith depth Apr 05 02:19:08 DocScrutinizer: good point. my beet is somewhere such standard video files exist - but within companies Apr 05 02:19:13 they have a standard video stream or 2 or 3 Apr 05 02:19:16 they must pay those well Apr 05 02:19:24 Well.. more important/interesting than bit depth imo is whether things output the full YUV range or the "proper" limited YUV range, and whether whatever displays it expects the full or the limited range, and whether it transforms it correctly Apr 05 02:19:26 they have some reference source to compare to Apr 05 02:19:52 like, it's such a mess that I think in real world you're more likely to lose alot of signal by stuff using the incorrect transform Apr 05 02:20:30 friggin mess Apr 05 02:20:34 :-P Apr 05 02:20:41 chances are your lcd is the worst bit Apr 05 02:20:47 yes Apr 05 02:20:54 mosty lcd's i have seen over the past few years are actually just 18bit (6bit per r, g and b) Apr 05 02:21:16 so going to 24bpp means u basically lose your 2 lsbits Apr 05 02:21:21 raster: to me it seems my sat decoder is considerably worse than my LCD Apr 05 02:21:26 lcd's are gettign better Apr 05 02:21:34 oled gives u full fidelity Apr 05 02:21:39 but now u pay a different price Apr 05 02:21:41 pentile Apr 05 02:21:42 :) Apr 05 02:21:45 And when fed with a YUV signal they'll do the wrong transform and either over-saturate/clip your signal, or in the other extreme, wash it out and create banding.. Apr 05 02:22:03 ShadowJK: very possible Apr 05 02:22:08 raster: as I see really poor Apr 05 02:22:17 skin colors via sat Apr 05 02:22:38 while good colors via analogue terestrial or even dvb-t Apr 05 02:22:42 do on n900? Apr 05 02:22:48 DocScrutinizer: comparing to on n900? Apr 05 02:22:49 (built-in decoder of TV) Apr 05 02:22:58 ooh Apr 05 02:22:59 hmm Apr 05 02:23:04 thats not good Apr 05 02:23:10 and then you have the whole issue of all these "real time" mpeg/mpeg4/h264 encoders that are optimized for PSNR rather than visual perceived quality :) Apr 05 02:23:41 my assumptions were the cheap sat decoder does a 5/6/5, like n900 AV probably does Apr 05 02:23:59 don't underestimate n900 Apr 05 02:24:09 so they're likely to leave an area of similar colours as a single solid color, or just a simple gradient Apr 05 02:24:25 besides, you can always do PWM Apr 05 02:24:42 DocScrutinizer: þe n900 should be using its yuv layer - so that means its better than 565 by a long shot Apr 05 02:24:48 ie its full yuv colorspace Apr 05 02:24:52 unless its software decoder Apr 05 02:24:55 yes Apr 05 02:25:00 ShadowJK: that's exactly what I see. all the face 'painted' in one or two colorsa Apr 05 02:25:42 hdmi in a phone would be nice Apr 05 02:25:43 and it's quite similar on sat decoder and on N900 AV output Apr 05 02:25:53 Even 2001-era graphics card ate YUV and output analog signal with precision as good as its DAC and the original 12bit YUV data.. Apr 05 02:26:02 even if your desktop was 286-colour or whatever Apr 05 02:26:06 256* Apr 05 02:27:13 in the end graphic card had only rgb output Apr 05 02:27:22 not yuv Apr 05 02:27:52 Because the video was handled by a separate hardware unit that placed its own output ontop of the output produced by the rgb framebuffer pipeline Apr 05 02:28:29 These days they use their shaders and whatever to emulate the old behaviour of separate hw unit.. Apr 05 02:28:51 these days they use CPU for it and drivers Apr 05 02:29:13 Nah colourspace transform is still done in HW Apr 05 02:29:15 and scaling Apr 05 02:30:44 What's the best day of the week to do open source programming? Apr 05 02:30:59 none Apr 05 02:31:19 make it closed source Apr 05 02:31:30 it will at least pay for your pizza and coke Apr 05 02:32:15 opensource is coded by night Apr 05 02:32:18 :-P Apr 05 02:32:37 at? Apr 05 02:32:54 For coding, whenever you're not distracted is best Apr 05 02:33:01 for collaboration, whenever other people are on Apr 05 02:33:07 is there a email widget kinda like the conversations one? Apr 05 02:33:40 maemo.org infrastrucutre tends to die on weekends, so that kills collaboration and if you have your source repo on maemo.org I guess coding isn't as comfortable anymore Apr 05 02:34:36 ShadowJK: darwinistic load balancing XP Apr 05 02:34:39 so you might just as well call your pimp and dealer on friday noon and have them deliver whores and coke, and if you're unlucky you return to reality on sunday evening and discover your booze and money is gone but your ~ is filled with new source code you have no clue how it works Apr 05 02:35:30 monday-thursday is spent understanding the code you wrote and fixing the bugs Apr 05 02:35:56 hrhrhrrr sounds just like RL Apr 05 02:44:22 hmm Apr 05 02:44:45 ok im at a point in order to port an application it is asking for word size and endianess Apr 05 02:45:11 this is processor specific. Does anyone know what the values for armel are? Apr 05 02:49:16 nvm looks like I figured it out Apr 05 02:49:33 actually if your app doesn't deal with file formats or hardware interfaces, that this shouldn't matter unless it's very poor coding style Apr 05 02:49:58 I think its dealing with crypto Apr 05 02:50:06 tomcrypt Apr 05 02:51:55 aiui crypo excange formats all are byte based (actually char based I'd say). So those math wizards decided to do bit juggling madness instead of proper math / logic Apr 05 02:56:17 probably some math professor thought he's better on optimization than the compiler. Odds are he never heard of compiler optimization at all **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 05 02:59:56 2010