**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 06 02:59:56 2010
Apr 06 03:14:13 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles: about?
Apr 06 03:14:22 <GeneralAntilles> forums/fora
Apr 06 03:15:22 <GeneralAntilles> Andrewfblack, $10 you hit 10 thumbs before Friday. :P
Apr 06 03:16:03 <Andrewfblack> GeneralAntilles, I had 3 down a little while ago
Apr 06 03:16:13 <Andrewfblack> GeneralAntilles, I assume you are talking about my rant
Apr 06 03:21:12 <Andrewfblack> GeneralAntilles, were you meaning thumb downs?
Apr 06 03:24:24 * crashanddie is thinking about writing an OpenID provider that will use smartcard authentication
Apr 06 03:25:27 <crashanddie> and also an open authentication server that goes beyond what FreeRadius provides
Apr 06 03:26:18 <crashanddie> other ideas are selling an N900 client for OGame to Gameforge, aiming at opening the market for 3rd party clients for OGame... Will require specific authentication features to ensure users are using authorised clients
Apr 06 03:27:21 <crashanddie> I'm currently writing a database tool for OGame, and if I get it right, I could enable a multi-user, multi-universe system that I could sell to users for a low fee ($1 per month?)
Apr 06 03:46:38 <crashanddie> With roughly 200 users per universe who would pay for such a feature for sure (out of 15k users per uni, so quite conservative), and roughly 300 universes that I could immediately target, that's $60k a month
Apr 06 05:10:26 <Chiku> about overclock n900 and reverse does it need to reboot ?
Apr 06 05:10:59 <Chiku> thinking overclocking could get firefox no laggy
Apr 06 05:13:24 * joga actually thinks microb is much more usable as a pocket browser than firefox
Apr 06 05:14:06 <Chiku> what about overclocking?
Apr 06 05:14:24 <Chiku> doe firefox usable with more mhz?
Apr 06 05:14:28 <joga> I hadn't heard of it being possible, I just looked it up
Apr 06 05:15:00 <joga> well, obviously it should be somewhat faster but it may not be the bottleneck
Apr 06 05:15:13 <joga> hard to tell before trying it out
Apr 06 05:26:17 <crashanddie> Chiku: if you want to sacrifice your CPU for the sake of 200Mhz...
Apr 06 05:35:01 <Chiku> what you mean sacrifice?
Apr 06 05:35:09 <Chiku> shoter life?
Apr 06 05:35:32 <Chiku> shorter
Apr 06 05:35:32 <crashanddie> yes
Apr 06 05:36:05 <Chiku> cpu could life for 1 or 2 years?
Apr 06 05:36:21 <Chiku> because after 2 years n900 is outdated
Apr 06 05:36:27 <crashanddie> Nobody knows
Apr 06 05:36:39 <crashanddie> for all we know, the CPU could fry within a week if you push it at 1Ghz
Apr 06 05:38:49 <MiXu-> There's a reason it's clocked at 600MHz instead of 1GHz or 800MHz.
Apr 06 05:39:07 <MiXu-> I'm guessing battery life being the main driver.
Apr 06 05:39:44 <MiXu-> So it's probably not even designed to withstand more heat than 600MHz will produce.
Apr 06 05:40:00 <joga> personally I wouldn't be *that* worried about the cpu dying, battery life or instability is something I would worry more
Apr 06 05:40:28 <MiXu-> joga: Yes
Apr 06 05:40:38 <joga> but, well, I don't really know about overclocking the n900, I've only done it to PCs
Apr 06 05:41:05 <crashanddie> The N900 doesn't have a fan it can push a bit further if its feeling hot
Apr 06 05:41:47 <crashanddie> It has a very specific thermal range, and going above/beyond that is extremely dangerou
Apr 06 05:41:48 <crashanddie> s
Apr 06 05:42:12 <joga> but one example of hardware that ships underclocked (or, used to) is the NSLU2, iirc it was clocked at 133mhz when you buy it but just remove one resistor from the board and it's 266mhz and still stable
Apr 06 05:42:14 <crashanddie> Nokia Engineers told us since the start that overcloking was possible, but begged us not to do it, because we'd fry our devices
Apr 06 05:42:27 <joga> ok..
Apr 06 05:42:48 <joga> what happens then? doesn't it shut itself down when it heats too much?
Apr 06 05:42:55 <crashanddie> now, how much is fud, and how much is truth? Nobody knows
Apr 06 05:44:01 <crashanddie> Just ask yourself the question: is 200-400 Mhz enough of a difference to risk a $600 device?
Apr 06 05:44:06 <slackmagic> and people get reminded of speed limits every day on the freeways, some obey it, some don't. Some get into accidents, some don't :). I personally say if you want to play around with your n900, then feel free. I'll keep mine just as it is.
Apr 06 05:45:25 <joga> I'm not about to overclock since I think it works snappily enough already, but I'm just curious how it would break
Apr 06 05:45:54 <crashanddie> I guess you'll have to be very convincing then...
Apr 06 05:46:19 <crashanddie> "No yeah, overclock it to 1Ghz... Heck, go up to 1.2Ghz... She'll take it. Nha don't worry, I heard about some russian who went up to 4.8Ghz with his..."
Apr 06 05:46:32 <joga> I think this calls for someone who has extra $$ and will to make a youtube vid
Apr 06 05:46:47 <crashanddie> "Why I... don't... overclock.. mine? Well, err, I borrowed mine to a friend! Yup, that's right"
Apr 06 05:46:49 <joga> something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko
Apr 06 05:47:12 * crashanddie is at work
Apr 06 05:47:17 <crashanddie> No youtubez at work
Apr 06 05:47:28 * joga is at work too, but tubez there is
Apr 06 05:47:36 <joga> though I guess I should start working soon
Apr 06 05:47:37 <joga> :)
Apr 06 05:47:52 <inz> Still no one with liquid nitrogen cooling?
Apr 06 05:48:18 <crashanddie> inz: I wouldn't feel too comfortable having a nitrogen cooled timebomb sitting against my face for phone calls...
Apr 06 05:48:39 <crashanddie> I guess if it really overheats
Apr 06 05:48:52 <crashanddie> we could make the N900 mandatory for skiiers and snowboarders
Apr 06 05:49:09 <inz> crashanddie, but you could be really cool; especially should the tank fail.
Apr 06 05:49:10 <crashanddie> make an app that detects avalanches, and when it does, overclock up to 1.xGhz
Apr 06 05:49:25 <crashanddie> Creates a unique heat signature
Apr 06 05:49:48 <inz> Melts up to 10 meters of snow.
Apr 06 05:50:01 <crashanddie> and your crotch is cooked
Apr 06 05:50:04 <crashanddie> but you live!
Apr 06 05:50:33 <inz> Well done crotch => well done babies?
Apr 06 05:50:34 <crashanddie> inz: I think our definition of "cool" differs quite a bit
Apr 06 05:51:05 <crashanddie> "Oh what an ugly baby... I'm feeling quite concerned, my semen must have turned..."
Apr 06 05:52:13 <crashanddie> "Just the tought of powdering her ass everyday, especially with that tail in the way, maybe, I could get a good price on eBay"
Apr 06 05:52:52 <kirma> not being against overclocking would certainly cause nokia lots of headache trying to separate "real" bugs from overclocking unstability and data corruption, and of course power on hour count would reduce considerably, although not necessarily to affect typical customer use time
Apr 06 05:53:02 <crashanddie> "I've always wanted kids... Is it wrong, to wish for SIDs"
Apr 06 05:53:45 <kirma> still, I did overclock. I don't really use the phone for anything that would consume lots of CPU time constantly, though
Apr 06 05:54:57 <Wolfie> write a daemon that monitors the cpu usage, and if it gets above 95%, make it overclock dynamically? :)
Apr 06 05:55:08 <Wolfie> ...assuming no booting is required, naturally
Apr 06 05:55:30 <crashanddie> Overclocking is cool when you're 14 yo, and you still have residue from the pure shots of adrenaline you had from being a kid, so waiting 0.4 seconds is WAY TOOO  HUUUUUGE OMFGZ
Apr 06 05:56:00 <crashanddie> When you're a few years over 20, you don't really care anymore, everything takes ages anyway
Apr 06 05:57:29 <RST38h> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0 <-- fun, fun
Apr 06 05:57:52 <RST38h> Wikileaks is asking for trouble though
Apr 06 05:58:06 <Wolfie> that's kinda the point of free journalism
Apr 06 05:58:17 <crashanddie> no
Apr 06 05:58:27 <crashanddie> the point of free journalism is to provide information, regardless of political pressure
Apr 06 05:58:32 <Wolfie> well, not directly, but can't really help it either
Apr 06 05:58:49 <crashanddie> wikileaks has gone from "free journalism" to "sensationalist bad rep press"
Apr 06 05:58:52 <Wolfie> you poke a military giant, it'll probably poke back
Apr 06 05:59:20 <Wolfie> strictly, wikileaks has never been about journalism, but whistleblowing and leaking stuff
Apr 06 05:59:52 <crashanddie> true
Apr 06 06:00:00 <Stskeeps> RST38h: well, they did cover it up and killing reuters journalists shouldn't be a free pass..
Apr 06 06:00:13 <Wolfie> all that stuff that democracy is about, but the rulers never like :)
Apr 06 06:01:46 <RST38h> Stskeeps: You do understand that as a dailyrotten reader, I am not even considering the morality of their actions? :)
Apr 06 06:02:40 <Stskeeps> RST38h: not questioning your morality
Apr 06 06:02:41 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 06 06:02:52 <crashanddie> RST38h has morality?
Apr 06 06:03:56 <RST38h> In terms of the clusterfuck degree though, this one stands pretty high =)
Apr 06 06:04:34 <RST38h> Prolly below the Japanese and their nuclear reactor, but still.
Apr 06 06:04:47 <crashanddie> what charlie foxtrot?
Apr 06 06:08:48 <iPeter-> Hey, i got maemo SDK installed on my VirtualBox and id like to know how i do compile stuff to n900
Apr 06 06:11:44 <crashanddie> iPeter-: gcc helloworld.c -o helloworld
Apr 06 06:15:09 <iPeter-> crashanddie: That to console? :p
Apr 06 06:15:32 <iPeter-> Anyway, it gave no such file or directory
Apr 06 06:15:37 <iPeter-> no input files
Apr 06 06:15:44 <crashanddie> iPeter-: maybe voice recognition works on your computer, try saying it out loud
Apr 06 06:16:07 <crashanddie> iPeter-: don't forget, Linux is European, so use "point" instead of "dot"
Apr 06 06:16:51 <style> lol iPeter- here, hi :)
Apr 06 06:17:50 <iPeter-> crashanddie: Are you going to mess with me or actually help, i did play with this 5h on last night, and did go sleep 3hours ago and im here again. Id really appreciate help with this.
Apr 06 06:18:08 <iPeter-> style: lul
Apr 06 06:18:30 <johnxx> iPeter-, It's totally possible that someone might help you on here, but it probably won't be crashanddie (as you already noticed)
Apr 06 06:18:44 <crashanddie> johnxx: feck off
Apr 06 06:18:45 <Stskeeps> did you read the developer guide, iPeter-?
Apr 06 06:18:55 <crashanddie> iPeter-: you said you wanted to compile, what language?
Apr 06 06:19:13 <crashanddie> iPeter-: do you know C, C++? Have you ever used a compiler under Linux
Apr 06 06:19:15 <crashanddie> ?
Apr 06 06:19:28 <iPeter-> Stskeeps: No i didnt, no-one has mentioned of it. Someone just told "get maemo sdk and then you can compile google chrome for n900"
Apr 06 06:19:41 <iPeter-> Well i got it, and have been googling and googling for hours now.
Apr 06 06:19:47 <Stskeeps> iPeter-: hang on
Apr 06 06:19:54 <Stskeeps> and google chrome on n900 might be a high target though
Apr 06 06:20:02 <crashanddie> aye
Apr 06 06:20:05 <iPeter-> crashanddie: No i dont have used any compiler on linux.
Apr 06 06:20:20 <iPeter-> Stskeeps: How so?
Apr 06 06:20:38 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide
Apr 06 06:21:32 <crashanddie> iPeter-: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxBuildInstructions
Apr 06 06:21:58 <iPeter-> Is it easy to compile example google chrome to n900 or not? :S
Apr 06 06:22:20 <style> not propably ;)
Apr 06 06:22:37 <crashanddie> iPeter-: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxBuildInstructionsPrerequisites
Apr 06 06:22:44 <iPeter-> FFUU
Apr 06 06:23:03 <crashanddie> iPeter-: http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/archives/chromium_tarball.html
Apr 06 06:23:07 <iPeter-> crashanddie: Do i have install some stuff to this maemo sdk to start this process?
Apr 06 06:23:13 <wired> gmorning
Apr 06 06:23:21 <crashanddie> yup
Apr 06 06:23:22 <johnxx> Does anyone even have Chrome fully functional on Linux/ARM? Last I heard it didn't even run ...
Apr 06 06:23:29 <wired> blah
Apr 06 06:23:32 <crashanddie> johnxx: nope, it doesn't
Apr 06 06:23:49 <crashanddie> iPeter-: check the prerequisites page, you need to install all of the software packages that are listed on it
Apr 06 06:23:51 <wired> johnxx: crashanddie: you heard wrong: http://twitpic.com/1dif5m
Apr 06 06:24:18 <crashanddie> iPeter-: they provide an apt-get command on how to install all of the software required, just read, in other words
Apr 06 06:24:22 <iPeter-> crashanddie: Do you mean it wont run? Chrome on N900?
Apr 06 06:24:25 <madduck> when I get a call, the number is frequently not matched against an existing contact, most likely due to the +XX prefixes I store with contacts. Is there any hope of me fixing this?
Apr 06 06:24:35 <crashanddie> iPeter-: or as my initial reaction should have given away: STFW
Apr 06 06:24:46 <style> btw, how well, or not well at all, chrome runs on n900 ?
Apr 06 06:24:50 <Stskeeps> crashanddie: you're being a bit agressive.
Apr 06 06:24:50 <johnxx> wired, well color me impressed :)
Apr 06 06:25:07 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: I am?
Apr 06 06:25:09 <Termana> Chrome also runs on the SmartQ, but I guess people are more interested in weather or not it runs on the n900 :P
Apr 06 06:25:24 <iPeter-> Stskeeps: I bet mom didnt hug enough.
Apr 06 06:25:46 <Stskeeps> crashanddie: ah, fair enough, search the fucking web
Apr 06 06:25:47 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 06 06:25:58 * Stskeeps goes get his coffee
Apr 06 06:26:04 <wired> johnxx: ;)
Apr 06 06:26:05 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: yeah, not shut the fuck wup
Apr 06 06:26:09 <crashanddie> :d
Apr 06 06:26:18 <Stskeeps> i thought you were french though, so wouldn't it be wup? ;)
Apr 06 06:26:30 * Stskeeps has been watching too much allo allo
Apr 06 06:26:35 <Termana> crashanddie: Are you trying to pick your nose with your tounge using that smiley?
Apr 06 06:30:32 <wired> my 3ghz i5 took 2h22m to build chromium (using a qemu-user-based chroot) :)
Apr 06 06:30:59 <johnxx> not a surprise. it comes with a ton of unit tests
Apr 06 06:31:14 <wired> oh, no tests :)
Apr 06 06:35:24 <johnxx> wired, got you beat though. I compiled x.org on *native* ARM hardware :)
Apr 06 06:35:47 <wired> oh im not doing that. i could but i don't want to melt the n900 :p
Apr 06 06:37:01 <johnxx> N900? This was a Zaurus w/ 64MB of RAM. The Debian package for xfbdev didn't have tslib support for the touchscreen
Apr 06 06:38:05 <wired> but im thinking... i could use distcc between the chroot and the normal system. that would speed things up dramatically while leaving the configure phase in the chroot where it doesn't fail... hmm
Apr 06 06:38:32 <wired> interesting idea, will be interesting to see if i can reduce the 3.5h needed for thunderbird
Apr 06 06:40:07 <johnxx> I think I tried it. My biggest problem was that I did it over wifi and ended up losing out hugely because of the slow I/O between distcc hosts
Apr 06 06:40:58 <wired> yeah im thinking more like chroot-host
Apr 06 06:41:08 <johnxx> aaaah
Apr 06 06:41:12 <johnxx> that would be the way to go
Apr 06 06:41:28 <johnxx> then you could renice +15 the part running emulated
Apr 06 06:51:39 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: you are lucky a tightass from the customer just walked in, or you would've taken a flying kick for calling me french
Apr 06 06:52:10 <Stskeeps> ah, may have misunderstood your nationality then
Apr 06 06:52:20 <crashanddie> (says the guy moving back to france within a month)
Apr 06 06:52:27 <Stskeeps> well, close enough
Apr 06 06:52:51 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: I lived in France for a while, I'm far from French though... dneary is probably french-er than me.
Apr 06 06:54:45 <Stskeeps> fair enough
Apr 06 06:58:23 <ptl_demands_PR12> crashanddie: you are belgian? german?
Apr 06 06:58:33 <ptl_demands_PR12> british?
Apr 06 06:58:36 <crashanddie> European
Apr 06 06:58:50 <crashanddie> Europe is my homeland :)
Apr 06 06:59:08 <ptl_demands_PR12> that sounds generic!
Apr 06 07:06:22 <joga> damn...I wish I got eduroam to work with n900
Apr 06 07:07:14 <johnxx> eduroam is a trick: it doesn't actually work with anything :) Everyone else is just pretending it works to make you keep trying
Apr 06 07:07:22 <joga> ;)
Apr 06 07:07:35 <noobmonk3y> lol tmo down again?
Apr 06 07:07:36 <crashanddie> johnxx: same as bluezz?
Apr 06 07:07:40 <joga> I work at the university so it would be very convenient here
Apr 06 07:07:53 <johnxx> crashanddie, except that works great for me. Keep trying! :D
Apr 06 07:08:35 <johnxx> heh. but I remember back around the launch of the N800 in early 2007 people showing up on here and t.m.o (itt at the time) asking about eduroam (or was it called something different then?)
Apr 06 07:08:36 <VDVsx> some eduroam flavors work, at least in maemo4 :)
Apr 06 07:08:55 <joga> yeah I guess some work...this doesn't
Apr 06 07:09:43 <joga> and I don't have infinite time to try and make it work here and it's impossible to test at home ;)
Apr 06 07:10:14 * noobmonk3y prods T.M.O
Apr 06 07:11:40 <Termana> noobmonk3y: tmo isn't loading for me either, so I assume yes, its down.
Apr 06 07:11:53 <noobmonk3y> meh
Apr 06 07:12:19 <noobmonk3y> X-Fade,  or Tek must be riding t.m.o. round the server rooms again ;)
Apr 06 07:14:07 <johnxx> :D in a previous life we had a server rack on wheels and I really, really wanted to add as many external batteries to the UPS as possible, replace the wired connections with wifi (it was pretty low trafic) and wheel the server rack out into the parking lot
Apr 06 07:14:28 <ptl_demands_PR12> ~eduroam
Apr 06 07:15:01 <ptl_demands_PR12> ~gnuplot
Apr 06 07:15:02 <infobot> Plotting package, output to X11, postscript, png, gif and others. URL: http://www.gnuplot.vt.edu/
Apr 06 07:22:51 <hrw|n900> hi
Apr 06 07:23:07 <johnxx> hall hrw|n900
Apr 06 07:23:13 <johnxx> what have you been up to lately?
Apr 06 07:23:30 <johnxx> s/hall/hallo
Apr 06 07:25:57 <hrw|n900> johnxx: nothing new basically
Apr 06 07:26:40 <hrw|n900> johnxx: but plan to concentrate more on armv7 for longer time
Apr 06 07:27:11 <joga> re: overclocking... http://www.flickr.com/photos/10185698@N00/4494088129/sizes/l/
Apr 06 07:27:47 <MiXu-> I don't buy that :P
Apr 06 07:27:57 <cehteh> lol
Apr 06 07:28:57 <phellarv> Badass cooling
Apr 06 07:29:12 <johnxx> joga, lookin' good. but there are limits to air cooling. You'll have to switch to water cooling one of these days
Apr 06 07:29:12 <cehteh> looking at the CPU% of processes it doesnt look plausible
Apr 06 07:29:20 <cehteh> and you can easily cheat conky in its config
Apr 06 07:29:31 <crashanddie> johnxx: water cooling is poor
Apr 06 07:29:34 <wired> is anyone here using easy debian or any other chrooted environment?
Apr 06 07:29:39 <joga> wired: I am
Apr 06 07:29:39 <crashanddie> johnxx: only supports cooling up to room temperature
Apr 06 07:29:50 <wired> joga: do you have any Qt apps in it?
Apr 06 07:29:59 <joga> wired: hmm, not yet, at least I haven't installed any
Apr 06 07:30:06 <johnxx> crashanddie, great news! I've just invented a device I call a "refridgerator"
Apr 06 07:30:18 <crashanddie> joga: can you /nick yoda and say the same sentence again... "<yoda> wired, I am"
Apr 06 07:30:27 <wired> joga: if you do, please try to type in them with the hw keyboard. :)
Apr 06 07:30:27 <joga> ;)
Apr 06 07:30:28 <phellarv> johnxx: Woaw
Apr 06 07:30:37 <MiXu-> crashanddie: haha
Apr 06 07:30:37 <phellarv> johnxx: For real?
Apr 06 07:30:45 <joga> wired: I can try...
Apr 06 07:30:47 <crashanddie> johnxx: any different from the refrigerator that has existed for some time?
Apr 06 07:30:55 <johnxx> phellarv, wait til I tell you about the "freezer" (!)
Apr 06 07:31:06 <crashanddie> johnxx: what does the "d" stand for?
Apr 06 07:31:12 <phellarv> johnxx: Caramba - That sounds cool-
Apr 06 07:31:20 <crashanddie> phellarv: feels cool too.
Apr 06 07:31:22 <wired> joga: it seems i can't get it to type in any qt app from my chroot and it is really annoying :p
Apr 06 07:31:39 <johnxx> crashanddie, it stands for "making water colder than room temperature" ... hmm, you think people won't be able to guess that?
Apr 06 07:31:50 <joga> wired: have you tried the "keyboard fix" if it helps?
Apr 06 07:32:02 <crashanddie> johnxx: doesn't seem obvious...
Apr 06 07:32:11 <joga> and can you recommend some tiny qt app, I can't think of any right now
Apr 06 07:32:27 <wired> what is the "keyboard fix"? if you're referring to the "power button" thing, no it doesn't work
Apr 06 07:32:33 <johnxx> crashanddie, well, maybe I'll need that marketing help after all :|
Apr 06 07:32:45 <crashanddie> johnxx: brand awareness
Apr 06 07:32:58 <ptl_demands_PR12> keyboard fix is one of the shortcuts easy debian adds to your menu
Apr 06 07:33:01 <joga> wired: the shortcut that easydebian creates
Apr 06 07:33:06 <wired> i don't have easy debian
Apr 06 07:33:09 <joga> oh, ok
Apr 06 07:33:13 <wired> but i'd like to know what is in that fix
Apr 06 07:33:25 <crashanddie> wired: so do most addicts
Apr 06 07:33:31 <wired> lmao
Apr 06 07:33:33 <phellarv> fscking broken wrist.
Apr 06 07:36:53 <johnxx> heh...my N800 really doesn't like being a USB host for my N900 :)
Apr 06 07:38:33 <Stskeeps> wb jamie
Apr 06 07:38:48 <JamieBennett> thanks Stskeeps
Apr 06 07:38:52 <ptl_demands_PR12> wired: Exec=/usr/bin/debbie xephfocus
Apr 06 07:38:59 <johnxx> interestingly, it worked just fine when my N900 was topped off, but as I was transferring files I think the N900 decided to start trying to recharge and that didn't work out too well ;)
Apr 06 07:39:06 <JamieBennett> router died again :(
Apr 06 07:39:21 <johnxx> anyone know a way to tell the N900 that it should't try to charge from USB?
Apr 06 07:39:58 <wired> ptl_demands_PR12: hmm i thought it'd have something to do with focus, but the powerbutton trick should do the same thing and it doesn't work either. mind you, i don't use xephyr, i start apps straight on maemo's X :)
Apr 06 07:40:55 <ptl_demands_PR12> wired: debbie is a helper for easy-debian that runs executables that are inside the chroot environment. This xephfocus must be a script, I think it's something that calls gxmessage to obtain the focus, just that
Apr 06 07:41:27 <ptl_demands_PR12> I don't think the powerbutton has anything to do with that. If any, it takes the focus off easy-debian.
Apr 06 07:41:56 <wired> well the easy debian wiki talks about the powerbutton
Apr 06 07:42:38 <ptl_demands_PR12> so, let me see what this script does.
Apr 06 07:42:41 <jacekowski> anybody here familiar with QT?
Apr 06 07:42:52 <jacekowski> esspecialy with http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/qsqlcursor.html
Apr 06 07:43:15 <sejo> I have a fresh sdk install on my laptop, and trying to find the python-qt packages
Apr 06 07:43:20 <ptl_demands_PR12> zenity --display=:0 --info --text="This window is needed to gain keyboard focus in LXDE. Click OK." &trl -l
Apr 06 07:43:35 <sejo> someone an idea hew to get them?
Apr 06 07:44:23 * RST38h moos fiercely
Apr 06 07:44:39 <johnxx> m00f! m00f!
Apr 06 07:44:48 * Kurppa_ joins the moo chorus
Apr 06 07:44:50 <ptl_demands_PR12> wired: this is the whole script ---> http://pastebin.com/2QbkTw62
Apr 06 07:44:56 <ptl_demands_PR12> wired: it uses zenity and wmctrl
Apr 06 07:45:01 <RST38h> heya johnx, how are thigns?
Apr 06 07:45:10 <ptl_demands_PR12> and something called set-focus
Apr 06 07:45:31 <wired> ptl_demands_PR12: thanks. yeah none of that is present on the n900
Apr 06 07:45:37 <ptl_demands_PR12> which is a binary file
Apr 06 07:45:49 <ptl_demands_PR12> wired: yes, it runs in a chrooted debian environment under /.debian
Apr 06 07:46:45 <ptl_demands_PR12> [user@n900 /]% ls -la /.debian/usr/bin/xephfocus
Apr 06 07:46:45 <ptl_demands_PR12> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 551 2009-12-22 04:17 /.debian/usr/bin/xephfocus
Apr 06 07:46:50 <wired> hmm i'll install wmctrl in the chroot and get set-focus from the debian image
Apr 06 07:46:56 <wired> and see what happens
Apr 06 07:47:32 <johnxx> crashanddie, I figured that the refrigerated cases used a water+radiator system, so yeah, you're right
Apr 06 07:48:28 <wired> ptl_demands_PR12: unfortunately i can't do it now, i'll have to do it when i get home, thanks :)
Apr 06 07:51:37 <RST38h> Anyone knows if I can write a program sitting in the background and catching all keypresses?
Apr 06 07:51:48 <RST38h> (and where I should listen for keypresses)
Apr 06 07:51:49 <johnxx> define "background"
Apr 06 07:52:07 <RST38h> johnx: as in, not having its own app window, possibly showing a desktop widget
Apr 06 07:52:08 <Anssi||> RST38h, it is called keylogger = virus
Apr 06 07:52:13 <johnxx> as in, the way I know to do it is make a fullscreen transparent window
Apr 06 07:52:27 <RST38h> Anssi: Yes, that is what I want to write. A virus. Thank you.
Apr 06 07:52:45 <phellarv> RST38h: And it's called a daemon, when it's running in the background
Apr 06 07:52:49 <johnxx> Maybe you could read /dev/input/eventX
Apr 06 07:52:54 <RST38h> johnx: No way to catch keypresses before they go to actual apps?
Apr 06 07:53:02 <RST38h> phellarv: Thank you for your data input as well.
Apr 06 07:53:05 <johnxx> RST38h, fullscreen transparent window
Apr 06 07:53:18 <RST38h> johnx: That is in front of all the other stuff, correct?
Apr 06 07:53:23 <ptl_demands_PR12> it's a demonic virus then
Apr 06 07:53:37 <johnxx> RST38h, yeah, that's the concept
Apr 06 07:53:45 <RST38h> johnx: ACK.
Apr 06 07:53:46 <Kurppa_> RST38h: it is also called an application.
Apr 06 07:53:54 <johnxx> so that's why I asked what you meant by "background"
Apr 06 07:54:11 <johnxx> Anssi||, useful reasons to do this include things like x2x and synergy
Apr 06 07:54:27 <johnxx> and actually, RST38h, that might be a good place to hunt down some code :>
Apr 06 07:54:43 <phellarv> It's possible to patch up the kernel to have a layer between the keyboard and the app.
Apr 06 07:54:50 <ptl_demands_PR12> it would be nice if we could play movies in the background of the N900.
Apr 06 07:54:58 <ptl_demands_PR12> I tried it with xwinwrap, no success.
Apr 06 07:55:19 <RST38h> johnx: looks like bug #2501 is not gonna be resolved any time soon, so I may have to "fix" it myself at the end =(
Apr 06 07:55:22 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2501 Hardware keyboard doesn't switch Input language when pressing Ctrl+Space
Apr 06 07:56:07 <noobmonk3y> RST38h, Simple keypress example in pyQT here - http://pastebin.com/5V9aiRNK
Apr 06 07:56:30 <noobmonk3y> that would depend on you having an invisible window though i'd think
Apr 06 07:56:47 <hrw> morning
Apr 06 07:56:53 <noobmonk3y> morning
Apr 06 07:57:35 * RST38h is not gonna use neither Python nor Qt
Apr 06 07:57:42 <ptl_demands_PR12> goooooooooooooood morning!
Apr 06 07:57:52 <Anssi||> qt get key press events from kernel probably, dunno actual mechanism. maybe some sort of file descriptor
Apr 06 07:57:56 <RST38h> Will have to be an X11 app
Apr 06 07:58:04 <Anssi||> or x
Apr 06 07:58:10 <Anssi||> hm
Apr 06 07:58:10 <RST38h> Ah, speaking of the devil, hello konttori
Apr 06 07:58:17 <konttori> hi
Apr 06 08:01:41 <Kurppa_> I didn't know this guy was the devil.
Apr 06 08:03:16 <achipa> noobmonk3y: pyqt is an endangered species here :)
Apr 06 08:03:27 <noobmonk3y> lol..........
Apr 06 08:03:38 * noobmonk3y bigs' up the pyQT Massive!
Apr 06 08:03:48 * adisbladis writes stuff in gtk!
Apr 06 08:04:19 <johnxx> aaah, the majestic pyqt. almost hunted to extinction in the early 2000's, it leads a tenuous existence on the slopes of IRC
Apr 06 08:04:21 <noobmonk3y> lol... which will faile soon and dissappear into the ether
Apr 06 08:04:33 <RichardP> with regard to the type of data service available, i know what 2G and 3G are - but wtf is 3.5?  my n900 has it up quite often
Apr 06 08:04:44 <johnxx> RichardP, HSPA
Apr 06 08:04:46 <noobmonk3y> richard , 3.5g = better than 3g
Apr 06 08:05:07 <noobmonk3y> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access
Apr 06 08:05:11 <RichardP> johnxx: my carrier doesnt do HSPA
Apr 06 08:05:17 <Anssi||> pyqt is good for something. makes qt/opengl programming pretty easy
Apr 06 08:05:31 <johnxx> s/HSPA/then it is lying to you/
Apr 06 08:05:31 <infobot> johnxx meant: RichardP, then it is lying to you
Apr 06 08:05:33 <noobmonk3y> not tried open gl yet :(
Apr 06 08:06:00 <noobmonk3y> i still dont understand this whole s/random/randomer stuff
Apr 06 08:06:19 <noobmonk3y> ~lick lcuk
Apr 06 08:06:20 * infobot licks lcuk *SHLUUURRRRPPP*
Apr 06 08:06:27 <johnxx> noobmonk3y, what text editor do you use?
Apr 06 08:06:31 <frals> replace the first word with the second one noobmonk3y
Apr 06 08:06:33 <noobmonk3y> just using idle :P
Apr 06 08:06:48 <frals> or the first pattern with the second one
Apr 06 08:07:07 <noobmonk3y> and pygtkeditor on the n900
Apr 06 08:07:19 <noobmonk3y> meh still dont get it, sounds like effort for no reason
Apr 06 08:07:21 <johnxx> use vi. Then you'd understand
Apr 06 08:07:38 <noobmonk3y> vi - sounds more complicated then the bible :) - would rather use windows notepad
Apr 06 08:07:56 <lupine_85> noobmonk3y, man sed
Apr 06 08:08:00 <noobmonk3y> :P
Apr 06 08:08:03 <lupine_85> all becomes clear :)
Apr 06 08:08:22 <Anssi||> noobmonk3y, you are right in that, it is like religion :)
Apr 06 08:08:24 <achipa> noobmonk3y: the only way to make your position worse is to say you don't like emacs either :)
Apr 06 08:08:37 * lupine_85 uses nano, kate and gedit exclusively
Apr 06 08:08:39 <noobmonk3y> wtf is an emac? lol
Apr 06 08:08:41 <lupine_85> oh yeah
Apr 06 08:08:42 <johnxx> yeah, vi is complicated and useless until it's the only thing you have on a machine and you need to edit your config files to get internet access to download your favorite editor :)
Apr 06 08:08:55 <noobmonk3y> is is an emo in a big 80's coat?
Apr 06 08:09:02 <lupine_85> mm, I can just about cope with a few-lines change in vi
Apr 06 08:09:03 <Anssi||> vi is posix
Apr 06 08:09:10 <lupine_85> TBF, I'd rather use sed
Apr 06 08:09:16 <johnxx> emac: http://images.macworld.com/images/legacy/2004/09/reviews/emac.jpg
Apr 06 08:09:16 <lupine_85> not always possible though
Apr 06 08:09:21 <lupine_85> (and my awk-fu is low)
Apr 06 08:09:36 <noobmonk3y> lol achipa - you and your name changing, didn't recognise you there :P
Apr 06 08:09:44 <ptl_demands_PR12> noobmonk3y: emacs is a very feature-complete text editor posed as historic rival of vim.
Apr 06 08:10:01 <noobmonk3y> ooo seen them before, never used 1
Apr 06 08:10:15 <Shapeshifter> well, actually.... emacs is a pretty good OS but it lacks a good text editor *ha ha ha.
Apr 06 08:10:15 <noobmonk3y> ~emac
Apr 06 08:10:19 <noobmonk3y> worth checking
Apr 06 08:10:22 <johnxx> however, emacs != emac :)
Apr 06 08:10:31 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Apr 06 08:10:37 <noobmonk3y> morning jaffacakes :D
Apr 06 08:10:38 <johnxx> Shapeshifter, nonsense, it has a vi mode :)
Apr 06 08:10:43 <Anssi||> and vi is not vim either.
Apr 06 08:10:45 <Shapeshifter> oh sure
Apr 06 08:10:55 <achipa> noobmonk3y: not my fault really, some squatter took years ago (internettablettalk days)
Apr 06 08:10:56 <Shapeshifter> emacs is like "there's an app for that", only that app means lisp extension.
Apr 06 08:11:01 <lupine_85> just don't mention the war (xemacs)
Apr 06 08:11:04 <noobmonk3y> lol
Apr 06 08:11:12 <ptl_demands_PR12> noobmonk3y: but about vim --- I think you have some prejudice against it. Once you learn its way of using, it's an excellent and productive editor, specially in the context of limited mobile keyboards.
Apr 06 08:11:13 <ptl_demands_PR12> noobmonk3y: it uses almost no ctrl combinations, and it is designed for slow terminals, which makes it excel in saving keystrokes.
Apr 06 08:11:13 <ptl_demands_PR12> noobmonk3y: really, learning vim it very much worth a try
Apr 06 08:11:14 <noobmonk3y> war?
Apr 06 08:11:37 * lupine_85 is saying nuffink
Apr 06 08:11:39 <johnxx> it's funny, 'cause I really like vim, but my favorite 'academic' programming language is scheme, so you'd figure I'd love emacs ...
Apr 06 08:11:41 <noobmonk3y> ptl_demands_PR12, hard to have prejudice about something i have never heard off, let alone used ;)
Apr 06 08:11:45 <achipa> noobmonk3y: people tended to get quite religious about it
Apr 06 08:11:50 <Shapeshifter> noobmonk3y: indeed, vim is very nice to use on the n900.
Apr 06 08:11:52 <ptl_demands_PR12> noobmonk3y: the most traditional ideological war from the linux camp is vi (actually vim) vs. emacs (actually xemacs)!
Apr 06 08:11:57 <Anssi||> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor_war
Apr 06 08:12:18 <koala_man> johnxx: why scheme and not haskell?
Apr 06 08:12:23 <noobmonk3y> omg its own wiki page!
Apr 06 08:12:24 <noobmonk3y> lol!
Apr 06 08:12:33 <johnxx> koala_man, cause comp sci 101 was scheme :)
Apr 06 08:12:51 <lupine_85> fuctional vs. procedural coding. there's another war ;)
Apr 06 08:13:00 * lupine_85 hugs his best-of-both-worlds
Apr 06 08:13:09 <squidd> emacs is too hard compared to vim :(
Apr 06 08:13:09 <Shapeshifter> there's also WM wars.
Apr 06 08:13:34 <_berto_> ptl_demands_PR12: actually xemacs ?
Apr 06 08:13:34 <koala_man> haskell is like scheme with types and better syntax, but without the meta-abilities
Apr 06 08:13:41 <johnxx> Shapeshifter, those turned into the DE wars, though...and I haven't heard them break out as much these days
Apr 06 08:13:44 <squidd> there used to be OS wars, but win7 pwned all
Apr 06 08:13:48 <Anssi||> lol: The Church of Emacs, formed by Richard Stallman, is a joke, and while it refers to vi as the "editor of the beast" (vi-vi-vi being 6-6-6 in Roman numerals)
Apr 06 08:14:00 <ptl_demands_PR12> _berto_: flamebait! Sorry :P
Apr 06 08:14:21 <_berto_> ptl_demands_PR12: no, seriously, I don't think I know anyone who uses xemacs nowadays
Apr 06 08:14:26 <Shapeshifter> johnxx: DE wars? there's only 4 DEs, practically. anyway, WM wars are very popular in #archlinux as arch users tend not to be using DEs and instead tiling WMs and stuff
Apr 06 08:14:29 <Shapeshifter> and there's billions of those.
Apr 06 08:14:35 <ptl_demands_PR12> _berto_: some of my friends used it instead of emacs
Apr 06 08:14:42 <_berto_> ptl_demands_PR12: really ?
Apr 06 08:14:44 <johnxx> ugh, tiling WMs
Apr 06 08:15:04 <squidd> tiling <3
Apr 06 08:15:06 <Shapeshifter> awesome is quite nice
Apr 06 08:15:09 <Shapeshifter> for a noob at least
Apr 06 08:15:15 <ptl_demands_PR12> _berto_: but I never properly knew the differences.
Apr 06 08:15:15 <johnxx> I guess when you have a huge-normous monitor you don't need to conserve screenspace. must be nice
Apr 06 08:15:18 <Shapeshifter> a noob to tilers I intend to say
Apr 06 08:15:26 * lupine_85 pats his 1920x1080 at home
Apr 06 08:15:28 <lupine_85> I need a second one :/
Apr 06 08:15:38 <Shapeshifter> johnxx: it's nifty on netbooks for example.
Apr 06 08:15:46 <squidd> id need new screens aswell
Apr 06 08:16:07 <johnxx> Shapeshifter, I <3 WindowMaker still on netbooks/lower-end machines
Apr 06 08:16:10 <squidd> something like 30" with nice resolution would be cool, tho expensive
Apr 06 08:16:23 <Shapeshifter> johnxx: mh.
Apr 06 08:16:42 <ptl_demands_PR12> hmmm
Apr 06 08:16:43 <_berto_> ptl_demands_PR12: lots of tiny differences
Apr 06 08:16:48 <ptl_demands_PR12> windowmaker would be nice for easy debian
Apr 06 08:17:02 <ptl_demands_PR12> its large icons would be very finger-friendly.
Apr 06 08:17:17 <johnxx> ptl_demands_PR12, too much double/right-clicking
Apr 06 08:17:46 <hrw> I use 24" fullHD but with kwin still
Apr 06 08:17:46 <_berto_> ptl_demands_PR12: but as far as I can tell gnu emacs has the technical lead now
Apr 06 08:18:16 <ptl_demands_PR12> _berto_: good to know, if I ever get tried of vim :)
Apr 06 08:18:40 <ptl_demands_PR12> s/tried/tired/
Apr 06 08:18:40 <infobot> ptl_demands_PR12 meant: _berto_: good to know, if I ever get tired of vim :)
Apr 06 08:20:03 <_berto_> :D
Apr 06 08:20:36 <ptl_demands_PR12> iPad: will it blend? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko
Apr 06 08:22:18 <johnxx> didn't he cheat by taking the back off first??
Apr 06 08:22:48 <noobmonk3y_> ~prod noobmonk3y
Apr 06 08:22:49 * infobot zaps noobmonk3y with a high voltage cattle prod
Apr 06 08:23:08 <ptl_demands_PR12> johnxx: well, he had to insert it into the blender
Apr 06 08:23:28 <johnxx> yeah, but the whole *structural* piece of the iPad never got blended
Apr 06 08:24:09 <johnxx> actually I was surprised that he even managed to get it to bend that much just hitting it against the base of the blender. Those things are (*&$#ing sturdy feeling
Apr 06 08:26:06 <squidd> [6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/win 2
Apr 06 08:26:49 <achipa> johnxx: actually, there are 2 things structural in there - the glass, and the humongous battery
Apr 06 08:28:30 <achipa> try to break a notebook battery (in full HAZMAT equipment and fire extinguishers at hand, of course) and you'll see those can be tough buggers
Apr 06 08:30:10 <johnxx> yeah, I just wanted to see what that blender would do to that solid aluminum case. I was especially disappointed that they didn't mention that they left it out
Apr 06 08:30:43 <MiXu-> Those videos are just entertainment anyway :)
Apr 06 08:31:19 <MiXu-> They cheat quite often :)
Apr 06 08:31:35 <achipa> johnxx: it'd prolly just warp it and then get stuck
Apr 06 08:31:42 <johnxx> admittedly :) I do love the idea that there is a business model that involves buying new electronics and putting them in a blender
Apr 06 08:31:59 <MiXu-> lol
Apr 06 08:33:47 <johnxx> though they have nothing on these guys: http://www.ssiworld.com/watch/watch-en.htm
Apr 06 08:34:42 <squidd> on n900 is it possible to get battery info in conky?
Apr 06 08:34:51 <jacekowski> yes
Apr 06 08:35:05 <squidd> cool
Apr 06 08:35:20 <bleader> hey guys, any tips about offline maps ? with nokia maps I tried but japan maps is 7MB, there not much info there, and with maep it seems you need to "show" every location at every zoom level to get the tiles in cache (from what I've seen on the forum)
Apr 06 08:36:07 <squidd> shows pretty much everything else so id like tol get battery charge lvl too
Apr 06 08:37:42 <hrw> bleader: grab n810 and use maemo-mapper on it
Apr 06 08:38:04 <hrw> it was best combo in maemo devices
Apr 06 08:38:16 <bleader> wouldn't maemo-mapper will just retrieve maps for nokia maps anyway ?
Apr 06 08:38:26 <bleader> s/will//
Apr 06 08:38:27 <infobot> bleader meant: wouldn't maemo-mapper  just retrieve maps for nokia maps anyway ?
Apr 06 08:38:57 <RichardP> I can certainly recommend people do NOT use the Carphone Warehouse in the UK
Apr 06 08:39:17 <johnxx> nope. it grabbed maps from google maps and yahoo maps and openstreetmap, but I think google changed their format
Apr 06 08:39:27 <johnxx> haven't tried it in a long time
Apr 06 08:39:29 <johnxx> hey rm_you
Apr 06 08:39:37 <bleader> anyway, I do not have an n810
Apr 06 08:39:43 <bleader> but still, it's good to know
Apr 06 08:40:22 <bleader> damn, a friend had one, move 9000km from here last week, should have asked earlier :)
Apr 06 08:42:10 <johnxx> bleader, do you have extras-devel enabled?
Apr 06 08:42:34 <rm_you> hey johnxx
Apr 06 08:43:00 <bleader> johnxx: yep
Apr 06 08:43:16 <bleader> (on n900)
Apr 06 08:43:36 <Scelt> PR 1.2 OUT?
Apr 06 08:43:50 <johnxx> Scelt, did someone say it was?
Apr 06 08:43:51 <thresh> kitteh killed
Apr 06 08:43:59 <MiXu-> Scelt: no
Apr 06 08:44:02 <Scelt> johnxx: I almost felt so
Apr 06 08:44:31 <johnxx> you'd probably notice if it was. ;)
Apr 06 08:44:34 <squidd> i wouldnt hold my breath waiting pr1.2 :S
Apr 06 08:45:01 <Scelt> ;D
Apr 06 08:45:02 <Termana> Great, now we have people being psychic and "feeling" when a firmware is out. But just like a psychic, you bunked out unfortunately
Apr 06 08:45:18 <MiXu-> lol
Apr 06 08:45:27 <johnxx> bleader, it looks like someone compiled maemo-mapper for N900. might be worth a try: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44439
Apr 06 08:46:20 * Stskeeps likes sygic
Apr 06 08:46:22 <Scelt> Termana: got my testicle warming up
Apr 06 08:46:31 <Scelt> s/testicle/tentacle/
Apr 06 08:46:32 <infobot> Scelt meant: Termana: got my tentacle warming up
Apr 06 08:46:43 <bleader> johnxx: oh, thanks. I'll have a look
Apr 06 08:46:44 <johnxx> Stskeeps, it looks neat as hell, but no maps for Asia yet
Apr 06 08:47:03 <Scelt> how about ovi maps 3?
Apr 06 08:47:06 <Termana> Scelt: heh, for a minute there I thought you were telling me I was roasting your nuts.
Apr 06 08:47:37 <bleader> Scelt: it works and you can get maps in cache to use offline
Apr 06 08:47:38 <Appiah> are you guys talking about Mapper 3.0+beta2 ?
Apr 06 08:47:44 <bleader> but data for japan are quasi inexistant
Apr 06 08:48:45 <bleader> johnxx: was indeed shown in an apt-cache search, probably missed it last time I had a look
Apr 06 08:48:47 <johnxx> Appiah, yeah, but I can't get it to install. Looks like fallout from the PR1.2 switch
Apr 06 08:49:07 <Appiah> Installs fine on my N900
Apr 06 08:49:15 <Appiah> PR 1.2?
Apr 06 08:49:16 <johnxx> huh
Apr 06 08:49:28 <bleader> indeed, seems there are some dependecy issues there
Apr 06 08:49:49 <johnxx> Appiah, can I guess that you don't have extras-testing/devel enabled?
Apr 06 08:50:02 <Appiah> I have extra-testing
Apr 06 08:50:20 <Jaffa> bleader: johnxx: Appiah: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9752
Apr 06 08:50:30 <povbot> Bug 9752: Autobuilder links against uninstallable libraries
Apr 06 08:50:51 <johnxx> Jaffa, yup. well aware. just trying to find a copy of maemo-mapper linked against the right libs
Apr 06 08:51:17 <Appiah> I'm sorry but what is PR ?
Apr 06 08:51:34 <johnxx> P(something) Release 1.2
Apr 06 08:51:40 <MiXu-> Product Release I think
Apr 06 08:51:55 <johnxx> Public? Pineapple? Parasol? Penguin?
Apr 06 08:52:01 <Surfa> production or product, depends on who's talking
Apr 06 08:52:06 <Surfa> typically production
Apr 06 08:52:38 <Appiah> So the Release 1.2 of what?
Apr 06 08:52:39 <johnxx> bleader, turn off extras-devel, turn on extras-testing, download "Mapper," have fun in Japan :)
Apr 06 08:52:50 <johnxx> Appiah, Maemo 5 :)
Apr 06 08:53:19 <Appiah> Mine says Maemo 5 , Version 3.2010.02-8
Apr 06 08:53:42 <bleader> johnxx: I'll give it a shot this evening :)
Apr 06 08:53:48 <bleader> thanks all :)
Apr 06 08:53:48 <Jaffa> Appiah: That's PR1.1.1. PR1.2 is due "real soon now"
Apr 06 08:54:07 <Appiah> Ah ok
Apr 06 08:54:19 <Appiah> Any easy way to see which version is which PR?
Apr 06 08:54:22 <noobmonk3y_> Jaffa, i hear it is due to be released before the year 2222 :D - fingers crossed ;)
Apr 06 08:54:30 <noobmonk3y_> Appiah, Healthcheck app lets you see it
Apr 06 08:54:33 <Appiah> ah
Apr 06 08:54:35 <Appiah> I got that
Apr 06 08:54:42 <johnxx> Appiah, in app manager, click 'uninstall' and browse down to 'Maemo 5' and hit details
Apr 06 08:54:43 <Jaffa> Appiah: Versions in bugs.maemo.org? ;-)
Apr 06 08:54:44 <noobmonk3y_> look at the firmware version line ;)
Apr 06 08:56:24 <noobmonk3y_> lol MohammadAG ;)
Apr 06 08:56:29 <noobmonk3y_> nice post about the 1.2 ;)
Apr 06 08:56:32 <Appiah> ah cool
Apr 06 08:57:05 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, venomrush is annoying me
Apr 06 08:57:09 <noobmonk3y_> lol
Apr 06 08:57:16 <MohammadAG> as always
Apr 06 08:57:23 <noobmonk3y_> he should work for the daily mail - his news is almost as good ;)
Apr 06 08:57:32 <MohammadAG> he was a symbian user, knew him well before maemo
Apr 06 08:57:33 <MohammadAG> tmo
Apr 06 08:57:34 <johnxx> bleader, yup. just installed here. works like a charm :) I think it'll work out really well in Japan, just make sure you get a tight enough zoom level or you'll miss all the tiny ($*&ing streets ;)
Apr 06 08:57:50 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, lol he's telling people to update to sdk packages
Apr 06 08:58:09 <MohammadAG> if DocScrutinizer remembers, that bricked my device
Apr 06 08:58:09 <noobmonk3y_> lol MohammadAG - prob is other apps are now getting posts saying why are things not working.. one in the healthcheck thread had updated libhildon already :|
Apr 06 08:59:19 <noobmonk3y_> aghhhhhhhh i really should get out of bed.....
Apr 06 09:06:13 <bleader> johnxx: great :)
Apr 06 09:08:47 <Treibholz> cool, FeedingIt works upright, too!
Apr 06 09:09:28 <villemv> FeedingIt rocks
Apr 06 09:09:47 <villemv> now that they fixed the annoying selection problem in text body view
Apr 06 09:12:10 <MohammadAG> <noobmonk3y_> lol MohammadAG - prob is other apps are now getting posts saying why are things not working.. one in the healthcheck thread had updated libhildon already :|
Apr 06 09:12:23 <MohammadAG> take a look at the pr1.2 changes i posted
Apr 06 09:14:16 <Appiah> thats a long list
Apr 06 09:14:55 <Appiah> Only have about 3-4 bugs that affects me
Apr 06 09:16:45 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, take a look at the last page
Apr 06 09:16:54 <MohammadAG> someone said add the sdk repos and update
Apr 06 09:18:12 <hrw> MohammadAG: PR 1.2/sdk does not work on device
Apr 06 09:18:20 <hrw> reboot loop is result
Apr 06 09:19:04 <smhar> is there a list of available software packaged for N900 other than the limited http://maemo.nokia.com/maemo-select/applications/ .
Apr 06 09:19:07 <hrw> anyway I still wonder how many devs will drop maemo5
Apr 06 09:19:13 <hrw> smhar: yes
Apr 06 09:19:23 <johnxx> smhar, http://maemo.org/downloads
Apr 06 09:19:33 <bleader> johnxx: indeed, works fine in testing
Apr 06 09:19:39 <bleader> thanks
Apr 06 09:19:47 <noobmonk3y_> MohammadAG,  will do, just outta the shower
Apr 06 09:21:06 * johnxx needs to sleep. 'night all
Apr 06 09:21:12 <noobmonk3y_> night johnxx
Apr 06 09:21:12 <smhar> is it possible to use N900 as a hotspot? anybody here managed to do it?
Apr 06 09:21:18 <noobmonk3y_> smhar, i am now
Apr 06 09:21:20 <noobmonk3y_> joikuspot
Apr 06 09:22:33 <smhar> noobmonk3y_, so I can get an 'unlimited' data download plan and use N900 as a wifi hotspot for my notebook.. great. is joikuspot Free?
Apr 06 09:23:01 <noobmonk3y_> joikuspot costs about £7 i think, but yes in theory, as long as there isnt something in the rules about tethering
Apr 06 09:23:15 <noobmonk3y_> but you could also use the data cable, and possibly a bluetooth pan?
Apr 06 09:24:01 <noobmonk3y_> MohammadAG, wb
Apr 06 09:24:07 <MohammadAG> hrw, yeah i know, i was trying to say that
Apr 06 09:24:19 <noobmonk3y_> MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, take a look at the last page  - what did you mean? my comment was last on that page?
Apr 06 09:25:23 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, ty, hrw's ping crashed the n900
Apr 06 09:25:30 <noobmonk3y_> lol
Apr 06 09:25:43 <noobmonk3y_> i blame hrw for the world shortage of banana's ;)
Apr 06 09:30:49 <ptl_demands_PR12> smhar: there is also a project which uses a modified kernel called 'mobile hotspot'
Apr 06 09:36:12 <MohammadAG_> hrw, didn't say last comment :) I think it's the page before the last
Apr 06 09:36:28 <hrw> ?
Apr 06 10:09:18 * noobmonk3y_ isnt feeling too great 
Apr 06 10:10:34 <ptl_demands_PR12> ?
Apr 06 10:11:09 <ptl_demands_PR12> like, sick?
Apr 06 10:11:35 * SpeedEvil places noobmonk3y_ under a durometer. and finds this is true.
Apr 06 10:11:49 <noobmonk3y_> yeah :( - stomach cramps :(
Apr 06 10:11:58 <noobmonk3y_> meant to be leaving for the n900 meetup in 10 mins
Apr 06 10:13:55 <SpeedEvil> I suggest eating/drinking plenty of brightly coloured stuff.
Apr 06 10:14:19 * lcuk installs healthcheck on noobmonk3y_
Apr 06 10:14:28 <SpeedEvil> At least that way the results will be visually interesting.
Apr 06 10:14:34 <noobmonk3y_> lol
Apr 06 10:14:45 <MiXu-> Have a big cup of office coffee. That'll get rid of anything in your system.
Apr 06 10:14:47 <lcuk> tie-dye!
Apr 06 10:15:02 <noobmonk3y_> just had a big bowl of porridge, hoping that will keep anything down :)
Apr 06 10:15:23 * SpeedEvil loves porridge.
Apr 06 10:15:52 <lcuk> noobmonk3y_, are you goldilocks? arent you going meeting the bears later :D
Apr 06 10:16:02 <noobmonk3y_> hehehe
Apr 06 10:16:06 <noobmonk3y_> yeah 4 of us now :D
Apr 06 10:16:54 * noobmonk3y_ is gonna go pack up - see you all this evenin :D
Apr 06 10:17:03 <SpeedEvil> not me.
Apr 06 10:17:05 <SpeedEvil> Wave!
Apr 06 10:17:19 <noobmonk3y_> lol
Apr 06 10:17:21 * noobmonk3y_ waves
Apr 06 10:24:50 <lardman> morning all
Apr 06 10:25:08 <Stskeeps> morn lardman
Apr 06 10:25:13 <lardman> hi Stskeeps
Apr 06 10:30:48 <ebzzry> What is the advised method of running applications at startup, e.g., Pidgin, on Maemo 5?
Apr 06 10:30:53 <lardman> hmm, nice to see Debian has left the SDK version of quilt behind
Apr 06 10:32:29 <lardman> ebzzry: upstart perhaps
Apr 06 10:32:49 <ebzzry> lardman: OK
Apr 06 10:33:17 <Kurppa_> You can find example upstart scripts at /etc/event.d
Apr 06 10:33:45 <SpeedEvil> As a quick hack
Apr 06 10:33:48 <ebzzry> Kurppa_: Oki doki
Apr 06 10:34:00 <SpeedEvil> You can use command-line-execution-widgit
Apr 06 10:34:16 <ebzzry> SpeedEvil: OK
Apr 06 10:34:28 <SpeedEvil> Setup a widget onscreen to execute when clicked.
Apr 06 10:34:32 <SpeedEvil> It also executes at boot
Apr 06 10:34:39 <ebzzry> OK
Apr 06 10:34:55 <SpeedEvil> I've got one setup to do echo 2 >... - to set brightness to minimum - labelled 'dim'
Apr 06 10:35:28 <SpeedEvil> Being able to 'swallow' to the desktop would be interesting.
Apr 06 10:35:35 <SpeedEvil> That is a way to run an app in a widget
Apr 06 10:35:46 <SpeedEvil> s/is a/ is - a/
Apr 06 10:35:47 <infobot> SpeedEvil meant: That  is - a way to run an app in a widget
Apr 06 10:35:56 <javispedro> heya
Apr 06 10:36:37 <SpeedEvil> I personally want the task switcher in desktop 4 - say - and for camkeyd to go to that.
Apr 06 10:37:11 <SpeedEvil> So I can add some buttons to start apps around the task switcher
Apr 06 10:37:31 <javispedro> the task switcher isn't window based though
Apr 06 10:37:36 <SpeedEvil> yes
Apr 06 10:37:38 <SpeedEvil> I know.
Apr 06 10:37:44 <SpeedEvil> That was perhaps a poor example.
Apr 06 10:38:02 <javispedro> xembed still exists? should be an interesting exercise :)
Apr 06 10:38:24 <SpeedEvil> I was more meaning like fvwm's 'swallow' mechanism for toolbar buttons.
Apr 06 10:38:40 <javispedro> probably uses xembed
Apr 06 10:38:47 <SpeedEvil> you could set it up to start an app, and resize the display into the button.
Apr 06 10:39:00 <SpeedEvil> Isn't xembed quite recent? This was ~1995
Apr 06 10:39:47 <javispedro> recent?
Apr 06 10:40:02 <javispedro> 2000ish
Apr 06 10:40:45 <mece> 'ello
Apr 06 10:40:48 <mece> question.
Apr 06 10:40:55 <javispedro> oh, openttd 1 released
Apr 06 10:41:00 <mece> is "echo "1" >/sys/power/sr_vdd2_autocomp " done in PR1.2?
Apr 06 10:41:01 <javispedro> time to work
Apr 06 10:41:05 <mece> and vdd1
Apr 06 10:43:31 <ptl_demands_PR12> you mean you're asking if PR1.2 sets SmartReflex out of the box?
Apr 06 10:43:57 <ptl_demands_PR12> most probably, no. It does not work on every device so Nokia wouldn't take any risks.
Apr 06 10:44:35 <asj> it certainly causes problems here
Apr 06 10:45:03 <ptl_demands_PR12> I never even tried it.
Apr 06 10:45:13 <RichardP> i wonder if i could host my git repository on my N900, and always have it with me :)
Apr 06 10:45:20 <ptl_demands_PR12> Although I translated the whole instruction to do it on a very accessed brazilian forum.
Apr 06 10:45:21 <SpeedEvil> RichardP: yes
Apr 06 10:45:35 <RichardP> SpeedEvil: wh00t
Apr 06 10:45:50 <SpeedEvil> RichardP: it's a linux box.
Apr 06 10:46:04 <mece> ptl_demands_PR12, howcome it doesn't work on every device? is there a hardware bug?
Apr 06 10:46:12 <SpeedEvil> RichardP: modulo compiling stuff onto it, and 32G of disk, and 256M RAM, you can do almost everything.
Apr 06 10:46:18 <SpeedEvil> mece: possibly yes, or software.
Apr 06 10:46:24 <mece> Hmm..
Apr 06 10:46:42 <javispedro> also, someone probably though it's not worth the effort of making it work
Apr 06 10:46:56 <javispedro> due to the .. uh, minor result.
Apr 06 10:47:00 <mece> Well I've been hearing reports that the improvement to battery life is significant
Apr 06 10:47:05 <SpeedEvil> mece: determining if something is software or hardware based can be tricky at these sorts of levels without schematics, and people with real knowledge of them.
Apr 06 10:47:14 <ptl_demands_PR12> mece: I am not a hardware guy, so I don't know the exact reasons, but I guess it's in part caused by minor variable differences in build quality of each device.
Apr 06 10:47:17 <mece> SpeedEvil, naturally.
Apr 06 10:47:18 <SpeedEvil> mece: With the CPU idle - it should not be
Apr 06 10:47:28 <Kurppa_> I've tested SmartReflex with some friends. On my device it works perfectly, on some of my friends' phones, it starts hanging and crashing things.
Apr 06 10:47:42 <mece> Kurppa_, interesting.
Apr 06 10:48:03 <mece> Well I'll just try it on mine now. Was going to wait for PR1.2, but if it's not enabled anyway, why wait?
Apr 06 10:48:05 <SpeedEvil> mece: For example - without it - I get a battery longevity of perhaps 120 hours connected to wifi, pingable, and otherwise idle.
Apr 06 10:48:18 <mece> 120?
Apr 06 10:48:20 <mece> 12 I assume
Apr 06 10:48:24 <SpeedEvil> no
Apr 06 10:48:25 <Kurppa_> mece: it's not. Try it yourself and leave it enabled if it works for you :-)
Apr 06 10:48:47 <SpeedEvil> With xchat up and logged into 10 channels, it's more like 30
Apr 06 10:48:48 <javispedro> SpeedEvil: you mentioned this yesterday but I forgot... what about phone and/or sim?
Apr 06 10:48:55 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: ?
Apr 06 10:49:01 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: oh.
Apr 06 10:49:02 <javispedro> SpeedEvil: you had sim inserted?
Apr 06 10:49:10 <mece> SpeedEvil.. wtf?
Apr 06 10:49:12 <RichardP> does anyone else find MicroB to be a bit ... buggy sometimes?  it fairly regularly simply refuses to load a page when on wifi, even though my laptop works fine
Apr 06 10:49:17 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: 2G/3G seems barely measurable. It's 1 or 2 mA
Apr 06 10:49:26 <javispedro> SpeedEvil: my personal record is 95h :(
Apr 06 10:49:28 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: MMC in/out does not add any load.
Apr 06 10:49:33 <SpeedEvil> RichardP: yes - seen that
Apr 06 10:49:43 <javispedro> SpeedEvil: that's with wi-fi best settings, 3g idling,
Apr 06 10:49:46 <javispedro> ah, Skype.
Apr 06 10:49:50 <mece> SpeedEvil, do you ever move your device?
Apr 06 10:49:54 <SpeedEvil> RichardP: the completion batr goes as normal, but the page remains blank?
Apr 06 10:49:55 <SpeedEvil> mece: ?
Apr 06 10:50:15 <mece> SpeedEvil, if you get 120 hours, do you move your device more than a few meters?
Apr 06 10:50:24 <SpeedEvil> mece: what's that got to do with it?
Apr 06 10:50:27 <wired> javispedro: 95h! i could do that... if i didn't touch the n900 at all until it discharged :p
Apr 06 10:50:31 <mece> SpeedEvil, well o
Apr 06 10:50:55 <javispedro> wired: well I did touch it quite a bit, which may explain why I didn't manage speedevil's 120h...
Apr 06 10:50:57 <SpeedEvil> mece: this is a projected result - I have not actually left it alone that long - the instantaneous current reading supports this though - and other stuff.
Apr 06 10:51:06 <RichardP> SpeedEvil: yes
Apr 06 10:51:11 <mece> SpeedEvil, right.
Apr 06 10:51:29 <RichardP> SpeedEvil: or it just sits there doing a KITT style propress bar
Apr 06 10:51:32 <SpeedEvil> mece: I have left it >24h with xchat running, and sporradic use.
Apr 06 10:51:35 <wired> apps with lots of network connections and/or moving a lot between areas with 2g/3g mixed signals is the absolut killer
Apr 06 10:51:48 <javispedro> wired: it's not about network connections, it's all about activity.
Apr 06 10:52:02 <SpeedEvil> 2G or 3G traffic is quite large.
Apr 06 10:52:07 <aol> anybody know how to launch the application menu in full screen mode programmatically?
Apr 06 10:52:14 <wired> javispedro: well i get much better battery if i use network-less apps
Apr 06 10:52:20 <mece> well, I find the device kunda pointless unless there's activity. It's not THAT pretty...
Apr 06 10:52:20 <SpeedEvil> Even sporradic traffic - once a minute - kills battery
Apr 06 10:52:24 <mece> kinda
Apr 06 10:52:25 <aol> tried to look through DBus stuff but did not find anything related
Apr 06 10:52:28 <wired> javispedro: network-heavy apps always destroy the battery
Apr 06 10:52:32 <wired> esp. if i use WiFi
Apr 06 10:52:36 <wired> 3g is better
Apr 06 10:52:52 <javispedro> wired: network activity heavy :) it has nothing to do with the number of connections, mostly.
Apr 06 10:53:08 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption#Some_preliminary_numbers_using_bq27200.
Apr 06 10:53:11 <mece> 2g is best for my battery. always online on 4 im's
Apr 06 10:53:14 <Surfa> depends on what is regarded as connection
Apr 06 10:53:17 <SpeedEvil> has some tests on 3g and 2g
Apr 06 10:53:26 <Surfa> of course connection amount has an effect in some cases
Apr 06 10:53:37 <wired> javispedro: actually it does, many active connections can keep your circuits open more even if traffic is low :)
Apr 06 10:53:52 <javispedro> circuits are not open even if I have 3000 TCP connections in active state
Apr 06 10:54:00 <RichardP> so, is anyone running the maemo replacement yet?
Apr 06 10:54:05 <javispedro> quote "circuits are not open" since I don't think that made any sense :)
Apr 06 10:54:22 <SpeedEvil> A ping every 30s - on 2G - 30mA - on 3G - 80mA
Apr 06 10:54:35 <mece> Well regardless, smartreflex apparently helps in cases like mine, since my friend enabled it and it doubled his battery life and he has similar use patterns.
Apr 06 10:54:39 <wired> SpeedEvil: eek
Apr 06 10:54:46 <javispedro> mece: it does NOT double battery life.
Apr 06 10:55:03 <mece> javispedro, well ok. significantly improved.
Apr 06 10:55:05 <ptl_demands_PR12> anyone ever used kvirc on the N900? -- http://antixpuct.ru/maemo/opt/
Apr 06 10:55:12 <SpeedEvil> (that is 2.5% of battery/hour on 2G, and 7% on 3g
Apr 06 10:55:14 <javispedro> mece: it does NOT have any effect on the idle time either -- we measured it and it says so in the documentation
Apr 06 10:55:15 <wired> SpeedEvil: i have an ssh connection open at all times, with a 60second keepalive
Apr 06 10:55:31 <wired> i wonder how much battery it drains...
Apr 06 10:56:09 <Surfa> javispedro, what level of connections are you talking about
Apr 06 10:56:25 <Surfa> i kind of understand your point, but it's not completely true
Apr 06 10:56:27 <mece> javispedro, He said that before smartreflex he ran out at 19, after he had to charge at 22. I guess he just lied then.
Apr 06 10:56:45 <javispedro> mece: oh, tmo is full of lies indeed....
Apr 06 10:56:58 <mece> javispedro, it's not tmo. It's my friend.
Apr 06 10:57:16 <mece> javispedro, I'm pretty sure he didn't lie.
Apr 06 10:57:20 <javispedro> mece: there's an impact in active use time, but it's hardly statistically significant
Apr 06 10:57:31 <SpeedEvil> 19->22 is not twice.
Apr 06 10:57:36 <mece> javispedro, perhaps it was coincidence then.
Apr 06 10:57:44 <SpeedEvil> It depends.
Apr 06 10:57:54 <mece> SpeedEvil, (1:54:56 PM) mece: javispedro, well ok. significantly improved.
Apr 06 10:58:06 <SpeedEvil> If you are running tasks that keep your cpu at 250MHz for a significan period, it may have an effect
Apr 06 10:58:11 <Surfa> javispedro, in the 3 the amount of tcp connections and keepalive sent to them is actually somewhat significant as 3g power saving timers aren't too quick
Apr 06 10:58:20 <Surfa> 3g
Apr 06 10:58:37 <Surfa> it's not always about the data amounts
Apr 06 10:58:43 <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
Apr 06 10:59:05 <SpeedEvil> 3.5G - 8000 byte pings. 1s - about 180mA, 10s - 160 - 30s - 70
Apr 06 10:59:14 <Surfa> but as i already said, it depends on what level of connections we're talking here
Apr 06 10:59:30 <SpeedEvil> You _really_ want to keep the connection idle for a minute at a time if you can
Apr 06 11:00:02 <javispedro> exactly, because there's no actual need of keepalive in some connections..
Apr 06 11:00:13 <Surfa> yep.. but it of course depends on the used network and radio and and..
Apr 06 11:00:31 <Surfa> javispedro, i still don't understand what connections you're talking about :)
Apr 06 11:00:34 <SpeedEvil> 2G going almost flatout is equal to one ping on 3G per 10 seconds.
Apr 06 11:01:11 <Surfa> wlan is suprisingly good in power saving methods
Apr 06 11:01:12 <asj> Surfa: tcp/ip sockets need traffic on them periodically to make sure the connection is still connected
Apr 06 11:01:20 <SpeedEvil> I disagree with javispedro somewhat. In some workloads - say mp3 - smartreflex can have _lots_ of impact.
Apr 06 11:01:27 <SpeedEvil> Surfa: insanely.
Apr 06 11:01:31 <Surfa> asj, no need to tell me that, i'm quite qualified on that area :)
Apr 06 11:01:36 <SpeedEvil> Surfa: 1.5mA boggles my tiny mind.
Apr 06 11:01:47 <SpeedEvil> (.1% of battery per hour)
Apr 06 11:02:15 <mece> SpeedEvil, how interesting. Since both me and the friend I mentioned play mp3's about 12 hours a day from our phones...
Apr 06 11:02:22 <Surfa> SpeedEvil, indeed, i can't remember exact numbers, but wlan in the idle mode is very battery friendly
Apr 06 11:02:48 <SpeedEvil> Surfa: I'm seeing lows of 8mA at times - with wifi on and pingable.
Apr 06 11:02:55 * asj watches his phone go nuts
Apr 06 11:02:59 <SpeedEvil> with powersave full
Apr 06 11:03:15 <mece> My wlan thingamabob is poorly placed, so I get a weak signal in some rooms in my house. Seems to eat battery.
Apr 06 11:03:18 <Scelt> http://www.flickr.com/photos/10185698@N00/4494088129/sizes/l/
Apr 06 11:03:42 <mece> Is that fake?
Apr 06 11:03:48 <javispedro> asj, Surfa: yes, but how often does tcp require keepalives? last time I read it was around two hours...
Apr 06 11:03:49 <pupnik> im seeing periods at 'unexplainable' -170mA
Apr 06 11:03:57 <mece> LOL
Apr 06 11:03:58 <SpeedEvil> Scelt: Awesomely evil!
Apr 06 11:04:01 * SpeedEvil approves.
Apr 06 11:04:02 <Surfa> javispedro, depends on network
Apr 06 11:04:08 <SpeedEvil> Scelt: I suggest icecubes too
Apr 06 11:04:23 <pupnik> but i think it may be the poor 2g here
Apr 06 11:04:25 <asj> get a cooler and cool it to -40 while you are at it...
Apr 06 11:04:48 <mece> hey pupnik, you mentioned you were playing music with 6% cpu use a while ago. May I ask what method you used for that?
Apr 06 11:04:48 <Scelt> not my n900
Apr 06 11:04:53 <SpeedEvil> (the above 3g/2g numbers are all measured with a good 2g/3g signal
Apr 06 11:05:00 <Surfa> javispedro, some gprs networks require once a minute, some can handle longer periods.. it's completely dependent on the network infra
Apr 06 11:05:39 <pupnik> mece alias mprlo='pasuspender -- mplayer -shuffle -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 -quiet -softvol'
Apr 06 11:05:42 <Surfa> SpeedEvil, pinging is not always perfect way to check if wifi is useful or not :)
Apr 06 11:06:12 <SpeedEvil> Surfa: no - but I mean - it can be ssh'd to - or ...
Apr 06 11:06:17 <pupnik> sometimes i need to open a regular audio player and pause it, to get high volume
Apr 06 11:06:25 <SpeedEvil> pupnik: try turning the modem off
Apr 06 11:06:27 <Surfa> SpeedEvil, there may be interesting powersavin methods that don't wake up the phone completely, but only answers ping and then sleeps again
Apr 06 11:06:28 <javispedro> SpeedEvil: you mention mp3 because of the cpu being active but locked at 250-500Mhz? Might be -- didn't test that, but locked at 600Mhz for "active use".
Apr 06 11:06:41 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: yes.
Apr 06 11:07:10 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: mp3 - or many continuous tasks have the cpu sitting at 250MHz >90% of the time
Apr 06 11:07:22 <Surfa> there are very interesting algorithms and optimizations in mobile devices.. i don't kno exactly how the n900 works
Apr 06 11:07:47 <SpeedEvil> 600MHz - IIRC - does not have much saving - it' basically an 'overclocked' mode - sortof.
Apr 06 11:07:57 <hrw> one thing is nice from that overclock thread
Apr 06 11:08:00 <hrw> 125MHz mode
Apr 06 11:08:12 <javispedro> I would imagine it to sleep quite a lot during a plain mp3 scenario :P
Apr 06 11:08:14 <SpeedEvil> yes
Apr 06 11:08:15 <pupnik> is it stable for you?
Apr 06 11:08:36 <SpeedEvil> 125MHz is _very_ important for mp3 - if you can get efficient mp3 player
Apr 06 11:08:39 <mece> I like the overclock thread. There's a lot of interesting info coming up..
Apr 06 11:08:49 <hrw> I did not read that yet
Apr 06 11:08:51 <javispedro> like?
Apr 06 11:09:00 <pupnik> how bout helix
Apr 06 11:10:25 <mece> javispedro, well generally about the omap3 durability and how it's supposed to work is interesting.
Apr 06 11:11:22 <javispedro> still no true info has come out, nobody seems to have the 3430 datasheet....
Apr 06 11:11:50 <mece> javispedro, true true.
Apr 06 11:11:55 <javispedro> and from what I gather, it all but seems like a "cheaper" version of the 3530...... :P
Apr 06 11:11:58 <SpeedEvil> And other tasks like gps logging
Apr 06 11:12:18 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: mass production devices don't always mean cheaper
Apr 06 11:12:46 <smhar> is there a pdf reader for N900
Apr 06 11:12:48 <mece> javispedro, well since I don't know anything about the hardware, everything is news to me.
Apr 06 11:12:49 <javispedro> I don't know which one sells most
Apr 06 11:12:56 <SpeedEvil> smhar: yes, stock
Apr 06 11:13:04 <mece> smhar, mine opens pdfs out of the box, so yep
Apr 06 11:13:13 <SpeedEvil> It sucks somewhat
Apr 06 11:13:17 <mece> true
Apr 06 11:13:22 <SpeedEvil> in that it does not allow arbitrary zoom
Apr 06 11:13:39 <javispedro> and has no tagged/reflowable pdf support
Apr 06 11:13:44 <mece> At least it's good enough for reading lego instructions :)
Apr 06 11:15:33 <wired> smhar: you could try evince
Apr 06 11:15:59 <javispedro> SpeedEvil: if you have time to waste, you could add tests with CPU in use locked at the different available cpufreq frequencies in the bq27xxx page
Apr 06 11:16:07 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: yes.
Apr 06 11:16:15 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: gonna do that in a bit
Apr 06 11:20:21 <hrw> "This is a unique feature of Nokia: there is always a magical firmware update which everyone is waiting for. And when it is released, everyone is disappointed and is waiting for the next to fix everything." - I like that sentence
Apr 06 11:20:25 <hrw> ;D
Apr 06 11:21:05 <ShadowJK> in use being what?
Apr 06 11:21:20 <javispedro> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null or the like
Apr 06 11:21:22 <ShadowJK> while true do ; done ?
Apr 06 11:21:25 <javispedro> yep
Apr 06 11:21:37 <hrw> javispedro: want to stress cpu?
Apr 06 11:21:49 <hrw> javispedro: 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null' is better
Apr 06 11:21:50 <SpeedEvil> md5sum /dev/zero
Apr 06 11:21:52 <SpeedEvil> works for me
Apr 06 11:21:53 <mece> hrw :D
Apr 06 11:21:54 <SpeedEvil> or that
Apr 06 11:21:57 <ShadowJK> Because different things will use different amounts of power :)
Apr 06 11:22:11 <javispedro> cpu only?
Apr 06 11:22:17 <ShadowJK> yes
Apr 06 11:22:46 <javispedro> you mean there's a noticeable difference in power usage between dd if=/dev/zero and while true do; done?
Apr 06 11:22:58 <ShadowJK> Even my ancient P3 with abysmal powersaving capabilities used significantly different amounts of power for different full-cpu-load tasks
Apr 06 11:23:18 <javispedro> yes but for any of the above tasks it's going to spent most of the time context switching...
Apr 06 11:23:35 <javispedro> and reading/writing memory
Apr 06 11:24:08 <mece> so that SmartReflex thing, what does it actually do? If it affects mp3 decoding somehow?
Apr 06 11:26:07 <Kurppa_> mece: check https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7633#c22
Apr 06 11:26:08 <povbot> Bug 7633: Enable SmartReflex on N900 by default
Apr 06 11:26:16 <Kurppa_> Comment #22 has some interesting information about it.
Apr 06 11:26:25 <SpeedEvil> mece: it affects all things that use the CPU
Apr 06 11:26:40 <SpeedEvil> mece: especially powersaving at low CPU speed tasks that are active all the time
Apr 06 11:26:44 <SpeedEvil> for example - mp3 or gps
Apr 06 11:29:34 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, So I've decided RS=20 for now :P
Apr 06 11:32:37 <ShadowJK> (which means you can multiply all the current measurements by 1.5)
Apr 06 11:32:50 <DocScrutinizer> moo
Apr 06 11:34:46 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: possible
Apr 06 11:35:06 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: I may or may not measure it properly today
Apr 06 11:35:15 <Arkenoi> is there a really high contrast theme that looks good on direct sunlight? not the one *called* "high contrast" ;-)
Apr 06 11:35:46 <mtd> anybody seen an n900 that refuses to go into the waiting-for-USB-flashing mode?
Apr 06 11:36:05 <mece> SpeedEvil, apparently my friend has just the right use cases for SmartReflex to be efficient.
Apr 06 11:36:37 <mtd> holding down "u" and powering on results in normal boot; fun flasher, power off n900, plug in USB results in normal mount-as-mass-storage behaviour
Apr 06 11:36:55 <mece> ooh well. I'll try it and see if it helps me. At least everything seems to be working after I enabled it.
Apr 06 11:37:00 <MohammadAG> hold u and plug the usb without manually powering on
Apr 06 11:37:14 <MohammadAG> to enter flashing mode
Apr 06 11:37:17 <ShadowJK> and have flasher running before plugging in
Apr 06 11:37:32 <MohammadAG> it doesn't really matter ShadowJK
Apr 06 11:37:32 <sECuRE> is there a way to connect the n900 to a computer via USB without charging it?
Apr 06 11:37:57 <mtd> ShadowJK: yeah always done that
Apr 06 11:37:59 <Termana> And make sure you have the appropriate sacrifices ready
Apr 06 11:38:02 <ShadowJK> yes well, they said holding u doesn't really matter too :)
Apr 06 11:38:05 <mtd> MohammadAG: thanks, not sure why I didn't try that.
Apr 06 11:38:27 <mtd> ShadowJK: it does matter - not holding U made the device go into mass storage mode
Apr 06 11:38:35 <mtd> now I see the USB icon (backlight is off)
Apr 06 11:38:47 * mtd now has to figure out why the flasher thinks there is no suitable USB device
Apr 06 11:38:58 <nidO> you're probably using win7 x64
Apr 06 11:39:08 <mtd> nidO: nope (unfort) - xp 32
Apr 06 11:39:12 <ShadowJK> but according to "them", device goes into flash mode if you plug it in when flasher is running anyway :P
Apr 06 11:39:21 <mtd> ShadowJK: "they" are wrong again :)
Apr 06 11:41:01 * mtd sighs.  "Nokia N900 (Update mode)" device is "not configured correctly".  FFS.
Apr 06 11:41:04 <DocScrutinizer> sECuRE: nope
Apr 06 11:41:04 * mtd loves windows.
Apr 06 11:42:19 <Noobmonk3y> urghhhhhh. 2g signal.......
Apr 06 11:42:36 <MohammadAG> using an N900?
Apr 06 11:42:44 <Noobmonk3y> yeah....
Apr 06 11:42:53 <Noobmonk3y> at the pub v v early
Apr 06 11:43:04 <MohammadAG> all calls will be forwarded to the voice mail :)
Apr 06 11:43:10 <wired> mtd: what i do is connect the n900 while off without pressing anything, i run the flasher (in linux though) then remove usb and reconnect while pressing u
Apr 06 11:43:14 <Noobmonk3y> yay! :)
Apr 06 11:43:35 <MohammadAG> wired, don't plug it before running flasher
Apr 06 11:43:42 <MohammadAG> or..
Apr 06 11:43:53 <Noobmonk3y> hmmmm gonna go hunt down some aspirin.... still feeling pants :(
Apr 06 11:43:53 <wired> MohammadAG: i think i tried that once but the linux flasher complained
Apr 06 11:43:53 <MohammadAG> hold u, plug USB, run flasher
Apr 06 11:44:01 <MohammadAG> it shouldn't
Apr 06 11:44:26 <MohammadAG> the linux flasher doesn't complain as much as the windows flasher
Apr 06 11:44:34 <hrw> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0tkYIWKM2g
Apr 06 11:44:57 <wired> windows... :)
Apr 06 11:45:38 <MohammadAG> wired, do what I said anyways
Apr 06 11:45:56 <wired> well i don't want to flash anything now, but i'll give it a go when 1.2 comes out =]
Apr 06 11:46:26 <DocScrutinizer> why
Apr 06 11:46:48 <DocScrutinizer> you thinl 1.2 won't be SSU?
Apr 06 11:47:16 * lardman has never got Windows flasher to work
Apr 06 11:47:37 <DocScrutinizer> well
Apr 06 11:47:47 * DocScrutinizer has never got windows to work
Apr 06 11:47:54 <lardman> lol
Apr 06 11:49:33 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 06 11:50:12 * mtd wished the windows flasher had a switch to enumerate the USB devices it could see, or just did that by default if it didn't find a "suitable" device.
Apr 06 11:50:31 * mtd now has windows saying the n900 is connected OK, but flasher still can't find a suitable device
Apr 06 11:51:35 <lardman> mine seemed to find it eventually, then want to install drivers, by which time the Nxxx decides there's no flashing to be done and switches to mass storage mode
Apr 06 11:52:22 <Appiah> I'm getting tierd of this "insufficient power not charging"
Apr 06 11:52:24 <lardman> I probably need to force the driver installation, which I guess stops part way once the flashable device vanishes and becomes mass storage
Apr 06 11:52:27 <Appiah> rebooting the N900 helps..
Apr 06 11:52:58 <ShadowJK> appiah: windows? installed nokia/ovi suite?
Apr 06 11:53:05 <lardman> cu later chaps
Apr 06 11:53:25 <Appiah> ShadowJK: this comp is windows yes , No suite installed
Apr 06 11:53:29 <wired> DocScrutinizer: im sure i'll have to reflash at some point after messing around too much =]
Apr 06 11:53:36 <Appiah> Why do I need a suite installed to charge? =/
Apr 06 11:53:43 <Appiah> works sometimes..
Apr 06 11:53:46 <ShadowJK> have you had one installed one in the past?
Apr 06 11:53:54 <Appiah> nope
Apr 06 11:54:03 <nidO> charging = windows needs to be able to identify the device to negotiate how much power to send
Apr 06 11:54:15 <Appiah> nidO: ah ok
Apr 06 11:54:21 <ShadowJK> I know windows actually manages the power
Apr 06 11:54:29 <wired> its windows after all
Apr 06 11:54:32 <Appiah> but
Apr 06 11:54:39 <ShadowJK> and iirc it works worse if you have installed *suite
Apr 06 11:54:42 <Appiah> does that matter if I select mass storage mode?
Apr 06 11:54:56 <MohammadAG> yes, it should charge in mass storage mode
Apr 06 11:54:57 <wired> it wont provide power to unidentified devices BUT will allow any kind of spyware/virus/younameit
Apr 06 11:55:01 <nidO> you can charge using both types.
Apr 06 11:55:02 <wired> :D
Apr 06 11:55:03 <MohammadAG> i do that with the ps3
Apr 06 11:55:19 <Appiah> son of a ...
Apr 06 11:55:25 <Appiah> charges now
Apr 06 11:55:29 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 06 11:55:32 <wired> welcome to the windows world
Apr 06 11:55:35 <wired> now install linux
Apr 06 11:55:36 <Appiah> that I selected Mass Storage
Apr 06 11:55:37 <ShadowJK> iirc there's way in windows to view available and allocated power on usb, but I Don't remember where...
Apr 06 11:55:37 <wired> :P
Apr 06 11:55:41 <nidO> is it charging in mass storage and not in pc suite mode?
Apr 06 11:55:42 <Appiah> wired: Work comp , not mine
Apr 06 11:55:51 <wired> Appiah: thats not an excuse
Apr 06 11:55:52 <nidO> if so thats normal without the suite driver
Apr 06 11:55:54 <Appiah> nidO: did not select, I never do whe I'm just charging
Apr 06 11:55:57 <wired> im at work but i use gentoo, i have windows in a vbox
Apr 06 11:55:57 <wired> :p
Apr 06 11:56:07 <Appiah> Home I use Linux
Apr 06 11:56:24 <Appiah> and just plug in usb and it charges
Apr 06 11:56:39 <Appiah> but now I know why it works sometimes and sometimes not in windows
Apr 06 11:56:44 <MiXu-> That's how the USB standard works. The device needs to be identified if you want full power.
Apr 06 11:57:13 <Appiah> Current State: Charging only
Apr 06 11:57:16 <Appiah> WTF
Apr 06 11:57:25 <Kurppa_> Linux just sucks and doesn't follow the standards.
Apr 06 11:57:33 <wired> lol
Apr 06 11:57:42 <Kurppa_> Okay. That might have been too obvious trolling.
Apr 06 11:57:53 <Appiah> Kurppa_: :D
Apr 06 11:59:13 <smhar> in N900, can I use maps software other than Nokia's, and will they gave destination instructions and routes instructions?
Apr 06 11:59:54 <smhar> if yes. will they be using GPS for that too?
Apr 06 12:00:26 <mece> hmm beta labs "nokia bots" looks nice. Perhaps one could make something similar for N900...
Apr 06 12:01:15 <mtd> MohammadAG: FWIW, now that windows updated the driver for n900 in update mode your instructions don't work to get it into update mode anymore :(.  I can see the n900 update mode device appear briefly in the device manager, but then it goes away and is replaced by the mass storage device.
Apr 06 12:01:23 <ShadowJK> There's sygic maps. Uses gps. Gives voice instructions. Costs money
Apr 06 12:01:38 <Stskeeps> works quite nicely
Apr 06 12:02:16 <MohammadAG> mtd, i test why i type
Apr 06 12:02:34 <mtd> MohammadAG: Unfortunately I am testing it too :(.
Apr 06 12:02:45 <MohammadAG> mtd, emmc/fiasco?
Apr 06 12:03:21 <mtd> MohammadAG: I don't understand. My problem is getting the n900 into usb-flashing-mode, not with any particular image I'm trying to flash.
Apr 06 12:04:01 <MohammadAG> mtd, power off completely, hold u, plug usb and keep holding u till you see a usb icon
Apr 06 12:05:27 <mtd> MohammadAG: that's worked two of three times.  I suspect a low battery is the problem now as I charged it after the failed try.
Apr 06 12:05:51 <MohammadAG> well you should always charge it
Apr 06 12:06:30 <mtd> MohammadAG: indeed.  The thing that's unexpected is that it goes into Mass Storage mode when there is not enough power to go into USB flashing mode.
Apr 06 12:06:36 <ShadowJK> It wont go into flashing mode except with full battery
Apr 06 12:06:39 <mtd> (...it appears).
Apr 06 12:06:46 <mtd> ShadowJK: define "full battery".
Apr 06 12:06:59 <nidO> >80% or so
Apr 06 12:07:14 <MohammadAG> mtd i think it goes into flashing mode but shuts down and boots up into charging/mass storage mode
Apr 06 12:07:23 <MohammadAG> ShadowJK, it works with less than that
Apr 06 12:07:33 <MohammadAG> I reflashed with less than 50%
Apr 06 12:07:43 <mtd> MohammadAG: seems plausible.  A bit confusing.
Apr 06 12:07:57 * wired its really fun when you manage to make the n900 drain battery while connected to AC
Apr 06 12:08:24 <MohammadAG> wired, used to do that with the N95
Apr 06 12:08:50 <DocScrutinizer> wired: known issue - it not always detects charger. You need to check and in case just replug
Apr 06 12:09:21 <wired> DocScrutinizer: yeah, but i've actually managed to make it start charging while on AC and full (green light)
Apr 06 12:09:25 <wired> :)
Apr 06 12:09:40 <MohammadAG> wired, it doesn't keep charging when full
Apr 06 12:09:58 <MohammadAG> it switches to the battery and restarts charging when it drops to a lower level
Apr 06 12:10:04 <MohammadAG> i think 94%
Apr 06 12:10:17 <wired> hmm
Apr 06 12:10:18 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: actually it does. Just doesn't meet your idea of 'charging'
Apr 06 12:10:31 <MohammadAG> ?
Apr 06 12:10:33 <wired> it should switch to ac usage
Apr 06 12:10:39 <wired> or use the battery like a ups
Apr 06 12:10:41 <MohammadAG> it doesn't
Apr 06 12:10:45 <wired> thats plain wrong
Apr 06 12:10:57 <DocScrutinizer> wired: nope, that's plain right
Apr 06 12:11:01 <MohammadAG> it's easier for it to handle DC
Apr 06 12:11:13 <MohammadAG> than to switch to AC
Apr 06 12:11:14 <wired> i don't argue that it doesn't work like that
Apr 06 12:11:21 <DocScrutinizer> ~tell wired about batteryfaq
Apr 06 12:11:25 <wired> but it should keep using the ac
Apr 06 12:11:31 <wired> imo
Apr 06 12:11:41 <MohammadAG> wired, that will 'break' the battery
Apr 06 12:11:43 <DocScrutinizer> it DOES
Apr 06 12:11:57 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, err?
Apr 06 12:12:07 <wired> you have to decide which of the two it is
Apr 06 12:12:08 <wired> :p
Apr 06 12:12:19 * MohammadAG remembers that tmo holds wrong info and waits for DocScrutinizer to explain
Apr 06 12:12:31 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: you're right, but it's just too confusing to say 'it doesn't use AC'
Apr 06 12:12:45 <nidO> it does keep using the ac to top the battery up whenever it drops below a pre-defined point, but it doesnt use the ac power directly as a passthrough power source
Apr 06 12:12:54 <MohammadAG> it uses AC to charge, when the battery is full it 'kills' the charger
Apr 06 12:12:55 <DocScrutinizer> nidO: exactly
Apr 06 12:13:27 <MohammadAG> ok, i'm not exactly good at explaining, but that's what I meant :)
Apr 06 12:13:37 <wired> ok thats what i understood :)
Apr 06 12:13:40 <Arkenoi> so what is the recommended community kernel today? ;-) and will it work with PR1.2?
Apr 06 12:14:14 <DocScrutinizer> wired: and the cell needs that to get low wear
Apr 06 12:14:20 <MohammadAG> Arkenklo, using the oc'd one, thinking about going back to 600 and using t-tan's
Apr 06 12:14:36 <MohammadAG> so yeah, go for t-tan's
Apr 06 12:14:41 <Arkenoi> nid0: as i said i found some network spots where phone discharges while plugged in charger (it consumes more that charger may provide)
Apr 06 12:14:54 <MohammadAG> aka titan
Apr 06 12:15:01 <wired> im using the latest titan one ocd
Apr 06 12:15:04 <wired> pretty good :)
Apr 06 12:15:09 <w00t_> is it just me, or is wiki.maemo.org
Apr 06 12:15:11 <w00t_> *really* slow.
Apr 06 12:15:22 <w00t_> MohammadAG: oh, hi, i see we're on the same timezone for once :P
Apr 06 12:15:30 <Arkenoi> wired: what are your impressions about battery life?
Apr 06 12:15:35 <MohammadAG> hahaha
Apr 06 12:15:38 <MohammadAG> hi w00t_
Apr 06 12:15:54 <w00t_> MohammadAG: got time for /msg?
Apr 06 12:16:00 <MohammadAG> w00t_, it's just you :)
Apr 06 12:16:02 <MohammadAG> yep
Apr 06 12:16:10 <wired> Arkenoi: i installed it yesterday, so i can't tell. but in general the battery is doing good if i avoid wifi :)
Apr 06 12:23:25 <DocScrutinizer> actually it's a little bit more complex still - the power from USB doesn't suffice to always power the device correctly. So the regulators etc are buffered by the batery to fill in the peaks. This means the battery will *always* drain a little (of course it does even by self-discharge as well). Ergo you need to recharge the battery eventually. So the power supply is via the main battery charger (too expensive to get a separate one just to
Apr 06 12:23:26 <DocScrutinizer> bypass the battery and power directly from AC). Now cells break if you keep them at 100% all the time as that would mean you're also constantly charging to compensate the self-discharge. So it's most gentle to the cell to charge it to 100% and then switch off charger until lower threshold is reached where you restart charging to 100%
Apr 06 12:23:52 <mece> fun times.
Apr 06 12:24:43 <mece> on a instructions done level the clock speed is directly connected to the amount of instructions done, right? It's completely linear.
Apr 06 12:25:24 <mece> calculation x takes 1s at 1Hz. Same calculation on same processor at 2Hz takes 0.5s
Apr 06 12:25:29 <javispedro> btw, while on this topic, I kinda remember someone saying that the 770 had a special r&d mode where you could boot it up without a battery
Apr 06 12:25:46 <mece> javispedro, I want that on my N900
Apr 06 12:26:08 <DocScrutinizer> my 6210 LiIon battery kept a 75% total capacity after 10 years (!) of such treatment
Apr 06 12:26:47 <DocScrutinizer> a fact that's generally considered impossible
Apr 06 12:26:51 <jacekowski> mece: no
Apr 06 12:27:04 <jacekowski> mece: only on architectures with 1 stage pipeline
Apr 06 12:27:08 <jacekowski> mece: like 8 bit avr
Apr 06 12:27:32 <mece> jacekowski, i c. so what kind of relation are we talking about on risc?
Apr 06 12:27:38 <DocScrutinizer> mece: won't work on N900
Apr 06 12:27:39 <jacekowski> mece: kinda random
Apr 06 12:28:13 <jacekowski> mece: you need take memory into account
Apr 06 12:28:18 <jacekowski> mece: and cache hit rate
Apr 06 12:29:01 <DocScrutinizer> mece: (clock speed) only if you don't take into account such things like memory bus transfer
Apr 06 12:29:29 <jacekowski> mece: and branch prediction
Apr 06 12:29:37 <jacekowski> mece: and out of order execution
Apr 06 12:29:44 * Noobmonk3y waves
Apr 06 12:29:52 <mece> javekowski, DocScrutinizer, I'm counting on infinite speeds outside the processor, naturally. a on a 1Hz processor, everything else is pretty close to infinite speed...
Apr 06 12:29:56 <Noobmonk3y> wohoooo anadin = me feel better!
Apr 06 12:30:09 <Noobmonk3y> and on off 3g in the pub!
Apr 06 12:30:39 <DocScrutinizer> Noobmonk3y: you're cryptic
Apr 06 12:30:56 <DocScrutinizer> or mentally disordered
Apr 06 12:31:16 <visz> i have 1Hz clock speed on my wristwatch
Apr 06 12:31:25 <javispedro> usually, they just say "you're drunk".
Apr 06 12:31:26 <mece> :D
Apr 06 12:31:28 <visz> *drumroll* *kosh*
Apr 06 12:31:45 <jacekowski> mece: then you still have things like branch prediction
Apr 06 12:32:00 <Noobmonk3y_> lets try again!
Apr 06 12:32:04 <Noobmonk3y_> ~ping
Apr 06 12:32:06 <infobot> ~pong
Apr 06 12:32:08 <jcrawford> morning everyone :)
Apr 06 12:32:09 <Noobmonk3y_> ahaaaaa
Apr 06 12:32:12 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: aah I missed the pub bit :-P
Apr 06 12:32:13 <Noobmonk3y_> heya
Apr 06 12:32:28 <jacekowski> mece: and in case of miss you have 5 stage pipeline to flush
Apr 06 12:32:37 <jacekowski> mece: which means that you've lost 5 cycles
Apr 06 12:32:43 <jacekowski> 6*
Apr 06 12:33:38 <mece> jacekowski, would I not have lost them if I had my processor at 1Hz?
Apr 06 12:33:43 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: that's all nice and true, but unrelated to nonlinear relation between clockspeed and execution speed
Apr 06 12:34:22 <mece> those 6 lost cycles would take half the time on 2Hz, so that still seems linear to me.
Apr 06 12:34:29 <jacekowski> yes
Apr 06 12:34:52 <jacekowski> i was thinking that you were asking about instructions per cycle
Apr 06 12:35:56 <DocScrutinizer> mece: as long as peripheral IO & memory access << cmd execution time, you got a 1/1 relation
Apr 06 12:35:59 <mece> hey were are the post remove scripts for apt? this package has some problems in the script, most likely a bashism..
Apr 06 12:36:22 <mece> DocScrutinizer, thank you, that's what I was thinking.
Apr 06 12:37:29 <DocScrutinizer> actually I think it holds true even for '<', not only for '<<'
Apr 06 12:38:06 <jacekowski> what's a difference between < and <<
Apr 06 12:38:20 <DocScrutinizer> less vs much-less than
Apr 06 12:38:43 <toggles_w> lol
Apr 06 12:40:28 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: also - on a slower processor (related to the speed of the process) there may be less pipelines, as there is more done in logic not microcode or other stages
Apr 06 12:44:19 * Noobmonk3y_ is hunnnnnnnngry
Apr 06 12:46:39 <mece> is there a way to get error messages from post removal scripts?
Apr 06 12:46:52 <mece> I don't know where the error pops up..
Apr 06 12:51:59 <joker_89> anyone uses json?
Apr 06 12:55:14 * noobmonk3y prods lcuk 
Apr 06 12:56:08 * noobmonk3y prods MohammadAG 
Apr 06 12:56:28 <noobmonk3y> hahaha
Apr 06 12:56:32 <noobmonk3y> w000ps
Apr 06 12:56:39 <noobmonk3y> think i just dc'd Mo
Apr 06 12:59:00 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen arif_
Apr 06 12:59:04 <infobot> arif_ <Arif@95.168.163.235> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 1h 3m 55s ago, saying: 'they're not exactly the same are they?'.
Apr 06 13:00:36 <noobmonk3y> 3days ago, wow
Apr 06 13:02:51 <DocScrutinizer> sad
Apr 06 13:04:17 * noobmonk3y blinks - http://static.pixelpipe.com/aebc0d0e-27fa-4de3-b116-8ab9eefba5fd_m.jpg - company at the n900 meetup!
Apr 06 13:04:20 <noobmonk3y> just no n900 i fear!
Apr 06 13:04:59 <toggles_w> fosters? for real?
Apr 06 13:05:06 <nidO> looks more like coke
Apr 06 13:05:10 <noobmonk3y> coke in a fosters glass!
Apr 06 13:05:11 <nidO> in a fosters glass
Apr 06 13:05:14 <nidO> \o/
Apr 06 13:05:14 <noobmonk3y> :D
Apr 06 13:05:20 <noobmonk3y> 10 points nidO
Apr 06 13:05:22 <noobmonk3y> ;)
Apr 06 13:05:48 <toggles_w> lucky
Apr 06 13:05:56 <noobmonk3y> hmmm a live vid stream could be interesting :P
Apr 06 13:06:03 <nidO> set it up
Apr 06 13:06:11 <noobmonk3y> qik does it doesnt it? or does pixel pipe?
Apr 06 13:06:20 <nidO> qik will do vid streams afaik
Apr 06 13:06:27 <noobmonk3y> hmmm better go find it :P
Apr 06 13:06:32 <noobmonk3y> ovi store i think
Apr 06 13:06:48 <E0x> hello
Apr 06 13:06:49 <nidO> http://store.ovi.com/content/22132?clickSource=browse&contentArea=applications
Apr 06 13:06:58 <E0x> i am new user of n900 , look good so far
Apr 06 13:07:02 <noobmonk3y> :D :D
Apr 06 13:07:20 <noobmonk3y> I r old fat user of n900 - about to video stream if i can get it working
Apr 06 13:08:24 <noobmonk3y> dloading :D
Apr 06 13:09:03 <noobmonk3y> slowly :(
Apr 06 13:09:25 <E0x> i use #131# for get my balance , but say incorrect number
Apr 06 13:09:45 <nidO> get the ussd widget from extras
Apr 06 13:09:51 <nidO> or wait for the next phone update
Apr 06 13:09:57 <E0x> ok , thx
Apr 06 13:10:24 <Treibholz> any idea, why the cfq-scheduler is used instead of noop?
Apr 06 13:11:04 <DocScrutinizer> someone at Nokia did some performance tests maybe?
Apr 06 13:11:20 <hrw> Treibholz: cfq is default
Apr 06 13:11:42 <Treibholz> hrw: but why? on a flash-drive it's not usefull.
Apr 06 13:12:38 <noobmonk3y> kathy arrived
Apr 06 13:12:39 <noobmonk3y> hehe
Apr 06 13:12:43 <noobmonk3y> brb looking at quik
Apr 06 13:15:06 * noobmonk3y prods lcuk 
Apr 06 13:16:07 * crashanddie_ prods lcuk harder.
Apr 06 13:16:10 <crashanddie_> He knows he likes it
Apr 06 13:16:23 <crashanddie_> wtf
Apr 06 13:16:43 <crashanddie_> I get a very lame phishing attempt
Apr 06 13:17:51 <crashanddie_> From: Fedex Online Service, Subject: "You Have A Package" Body: Please provide the following information: Full name, telephone, postal address, city, state, occupation, country to onlineservice@yahoo.com
Apr 06 13:17:59 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie_: [nickserv] You have been deauthenticated. Please re-enter password:
Apr 06 13:18:14 <crashanddie_> DocScrutinizer: ********
Apr 06 13:20:33 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie_: never miss the opportunity to fill the phisherman's database with utter crap
Apr 06 13:20:57 <Stskeeps> '); DROP TABLE emails; ?
Apr 06 13:21:13 <DocScrutinizer> hehehehehehheeee
Apr 06 13:22:01 <crashanddie_> timeless: ever noticed locationd using loads of bandwidth?
Apr 06 13:22:29 <crashanddie_> GeneralAntilles: ^
Apr 06 13:22:52 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie_: tcpdump?
Apr 06 13:24:29 <DocScrutinizer> "// locationd, (C) China Ministry of Knowledge Accquisition"
Apr 06 13:26:49 <javispedro> wheaterd, (C)  China Ministry of Weather Control?
Apr 06 13:28:42 <crashanddie_> interesting
Apr 06 13:28:51 <crashanddie_> I blocked a locationd using littlesnitch
Apr 06 13:29:14 <crashanddie_> and as soon as I did, GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent asked for a connection, denied it again, and then locationd tried to connect to some Google domain...
Apr 06 13:29:24 <DocScrutinizer> TTFF halved?
Apr 06 13:30:13 <crashanddie_> eh?
Apr 06 13:30:20 <crashanddie_> what does GPS have to do with this?
Apr 06 13:30:23 <DocScrutinizer> eeeek, NOW I finally realize what you're talking bout
Apr 06 13:30:40 <crashanddie_> DocScrutinizer: lol, locationd on a mac
Apr 06 13:30:43 <crashanddie_> not n900
Apr 06 13:31:17 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, littlesnitch made me wonder...
Apr 06 13:31:53 <andrewfblack_> Stskeeps: looks like about 50 percent of people like my last blog post and 50 didn't
Apr 06 13:32:53 <Stskeeps> andrewfblack_: i thumbed it up as in i liked it and thought it was hitting the spot
Apr 06 13:33:50 <delor> how to check libqt4-core version which is installed on N900
Apr 06 13:34:59 <hrw> "dpkg -l libqt4-core"
Apr 06 13:35:26 <crashanddie_> andrewfblack_: what stskeeps said
Apr 06 13:36:05 <delor> can this be resolved: "blubbels: Depends: libqt4-core (>= 4.6.2~git20100224) but 4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo6+0m5 is to be installed"
Apr 06 13:36:44 <andrewfblack_> Stskeeps: Going to be a follow up post on it today. Also did you see the comments on my blog one guy basicly said that N900 is a main stream phone so there are mainstream demands for stuff.  I'm sorry I didn't know that because someone gave Nokia $600 that I was suppose to spend my time doing what ever they wanted.
Apr 06 13:36:52 <andrewfblack_> thanks crashanddie_
Apr 06 13:37:13 <Stskeeps> andrewfblack_: didn't see comments
Apr 06 13:38:26 <Wizzup> Is there a kbdd for n900?
Apr 06 13:39:00 <andrewfblack_> Everytime I release a blog post to maemo.org I get 30 or 40 spam comments I have to go and delete lol
Apr 06 13:39:25 <X-Fade> pagerank baby ;)
Apr 06 13:39:31 <delor> hrw: thx
Apr 06 13:40:49 <kamui> dude
Apr 06 13:40:51 <kamui> I think I have to reflash
Apr 06 13:41:00 <kamui> that pr1.1.1 update was never properly installed
Apr 06 13:41:02 * andrewfblack_ thanks x-fade is selling my blog addres to spammers : )
Apr 06 13:41:06 <kamui> it still shows in my list
Apr 06 13:41:14 <kamui> I ended up doing the "upgrade" via dist-upgrade
Apr 06 13:41:17 <kamui> epic fail
Apr 06 13:41:25 <X-Fade> andrewfblack_: No, you are linked from a high ranking site so that makes it interesting for spammers.
Apr 06 13:41:32 * javispedro sees x-fade and evilly pokes him about bug #9825
Apr 06 13:41:34 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9825 Cannot upload screenshot ("Edit" is grayed)
Apr 06 13:41:43 <kamui> does the backup utility save my apt repositories and restore my repo installed apps?
Apr 06 13:41:45 <X-Fade> javispedro: poked bergie about that.
Apr 06 13:42:11 <javispedro> X-Fade: danke schön.
Apr 06 13:42:34 <javispedro> ;)
Apr 06 13:42:36 <andrewfblack_> X-Fade: I know just messing with you, you would like since not 1 spam comment has ever made it on my site they would stop it lol. But I guess computers don't think
Apr 06 13:42:43 <X-Fade> javispedro: result of the change I needed to make when someone renamed Maemo5 to 'Peter N900' ;)
Apr 06 13:43:09 <javispedro> X-Fade: I wish I had been there just to make an screenshot of that
Apr 06 13:43:46 <X-Fade> javispedro: At times like that I like the fact that we have RCS in the CMS.
Apr 06 13:44:18 * javispedro ponders why "Peter" doesn't also try to replace all of the community council members with "Peter's Democratic Council" :) 
Apr 06 13:44:54 <X-Fade> javispedro: Weird thing was that the user who did this wasn't named peter ;)
Apr 06 13:45:17 * Wizzup sighs... Freedom Keyboard doesn't appear to be so Freedom oriented as the name implies
Apr 06 13:46:25 <Stskeeps> it has to smell of gnu before it's free enough
Apr 06 13:46:35 <javispedro> and a beard!
Apr 06 13:46:42 <javispedro> don't forget the beard.
Apr 06 13:46:43 <Wizzup> more like, there's only windows + blueberry driver
Apr 06 13:47:38 <javispedro> Stskeeps: btw aren't you just plain waiting for the zealots to read qgil's words about the GPL3 and MeeGo? I am already making popcorn! :)
Apr 06 13:47:52 <Stskeeps> javispedro: i thought we already had that discussion
Apr 06 13:47:52 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 06 13:48:05 * javispedro must have been asleep that day
Apr 06 13:48:07 * Stskeeps has known of this for very long time
Apr 06 13:49:04 <Wizzup> ff koffie
Apr 06 13:49:08 <Wizzup> oops,wrong chan
Apr 06 13:49:22 <X-Fade> Wizzup: Get me some too ;)
Apr 06 13:49:55 <Wizzup> ;-)
Apr 06 13:51:58 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: So all of the capacities expressed are not real - but are integrated voltages across the shunt?
Apr 06 13:53:19 <anotnac> i will put up a early £100 bounty for the 1st person to jailbreak a locked meego device when they are out
Apr 06 13:54:54 * noobmonk3y waves from the n900 meetup
Apr 06 13:54:57 <frals> what kind of widget is the one you see at the top of the contacts app menu where you can choose "ABC | Availability | Recent"?
Apr 06 13:55:04 * frals waves to noobmonk3y from .se
Apr 06 13:55:26 <iPeter-> Hey..
Apr 06 13:55:42 <lcuk> anotmac?  boot unsigned kernal anytime afk
Apr 06 13:55:45 <iPeter-> "export GYP_GENERATORS=make" What does this mean? On terminal or wher (maemo sdk)
Apr 06 13:55:46 <lcuk> afaik
Apr 06 13:55:52 * frals waves to noobmonk3y again to see if he drops again
Apr 06 13:57:51 <anotnac> its starting seem more like android model than maemo all this meego stuff is
Apr 06 13:58:05 <javispedro> frals: iirc a plain toggle button. when you add toggle buttons to the app menu some magic is applied
Apr 06 13:58:08 <GAN900> Stskeeps, whole think cracks me up.
Apr 06 13:58:21 <frals> javispedro: ok, cheers
Apr 06 13:58:36 <javispedro> frals: that should be documented in libhildon docs, probably the menu part
Apr 06 13:59:00 <frals> yeah looking at the ref manual now
Apr 06 13:59:02 * GAN900 just wishes qgil would stop pretending so hard with the bs line about everything being all openness and ponies.
Apr 06 13:59:59 * javispedro is not up to date to these issues... weren't bash and gcc already gpl3?
Apr 06 14:00:06 <GAN900> Expectations have always been this platform's killer.
Apr 06 14:00:38 <Stskeeps> javispedro: nop
Apr 06 14:00:49 <GAN900> javispedro, summary: we're screwed. Nokia's insistence on their own stupid differentiation is going to hurt the platform and hurt the brand.
Apr 06 14:01:00 <Stskeeps> GAN900: well, you also have to consider he's hired to pressure on the inside
Apr 06 14:01:09 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, yes, everything os uVh or uV
Apr 06 14:01:16 <iPeter-> Is there any own maemo sdk channell?
Apr 06 14:01:18 <GAN900> Stskeeps, yeah, well, it aint really working. ;)
Apr 06 14:01:19 <ShadowJK> is*
Apr 06 14:02:20 <anotnac> atleast theres one good thing in May at last i'll get to see gordan brown cry on TV
Apr 06 14:02:23 <javispedro> hum. bash4 seems to be gpl3 at least :P
Apr 06 14:02:41 <javispedro> then again I guess they don't need it at all in the tablet ux at least.
Apr 06 14:03:27 <Stskeeps> javispedro: yeah, i do wonder about some things..
Apr 06 14:03:33 <GAN900> Ah, the MeeGo UX grabbag
Apr 06 14:03:46 <GAN900> Yet another reason why MeeGo's a mess
Apr 06 14:04:23 <GAN900> It's be even better if they call Harmattan a Ux
Apr 06 14:04:36 <javispedro> to me the MeeGo stuff is pretty clear (ignoring marketing related stuff) -- they wanted a proper distro and got it.
Apr 06 14:05:00 <GAN900> That way we can bundle as much platform stuff into the UX as possible for the most efficient confusion.
Apr 06 14:06:02 * GAN900 likes it as a way for Nokia to get rid of the pesky open source stuff and focus on their own proprietary crap.
Apr 06 14:06:29 <iPeter-> hey, what is gclient? Im trying to build chromium for n900 and im missing gclient
Apr 06 14:06:46 <javispedro> iPeter-: you tell us, should be documented in the required chromium build-deps.
Apr 06 14:07:02 <anotnac> is the crossplatform dream real considering different Vendors will all be adding there own closed API's and messing it up
Apr 06 14:07:33 <iPeter-> Hmm. this seems to be hard to do :<
Apr 06 14:11:02 <crs> Hi there. I have seen once a nice n900 reflashing howto. I want to proceed now but I can't find it anymore. Can anyone provide me with a link?
Apr 06 14:11:29 <X-Fade> ~flashing
Apr 06 14:11:31 <infobot> rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Apr 06 14:11:49 <crs> X-Fade: Thank you!
Apr 06 14:12:02 <X-Fade> crs: The bot knows at least ;)
Apr 06 14:12:07 <crs> :)
Apr 06 14:12:18 <crs> Not a bad bot he is. :)
Apr 06 14:12:59 <crs> OK, I am going to reread it and flash my PR.100 ;/
Apr 06 14:13:11 <jacekowski> anybody familiar with building apps in scratchbox?
Apr 06 14:13:19 * GeneralAntilles facepalms
Apr 06 14:13:23 <GeneralAntilles> Reboot during a call
Apr 06 14:13:26 <GeneralAntilles> <3 Nokia
Apr 06 14:13:39 <satmd> :)
Apr 06 14:13:46 <jacekowski> what sort of cpu-transparency i need in scratchbox for n900
Apr 06 14:14:09 <javispedro> the evil one
Apr 06 14:14:33 <javispedro> for the FREMANTLE_ARMEL target, CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb
Apr 06 14:15:15 <crs> X-Fade: The very first chapter of that howto says what is backuped by backup app. It does not mention anything about contacts and conversations. Are those backuped as well?
Apr 06 14:15:24 <X-Fade> crs: yes.
Apr 06 14:16:00 <X-Fade> crs: All data for the default apps gets backuped nicely.
Apr 06 14:16:31 <crs> X-Fade: Thanks, that was more just for reassureing :)
Apr 06 14:17:02 <X-Fade> crs: I flash multiple times a week sometimes on my primary device and never lost anything.
Apr 06 14:17:05 <noobmonk3y> are your ears burning frals?
Apr 06 14:17:43 <frals> noobmonk3y: ? :+
Apr 06 14:17:55 <noobmonk3y> kathy and i sitting here talking about how good fmms is :D
Apr 06 14:18:01 <crs> X-Fade: Thanks. :)
Apr 06 14:18:02 <frals> lol
Apr 06 14:18:04 <frals> now they are ;)
Apr 06 14:18:04 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, say hi to kathy
Apr 06 14:18:13 <frals> and say hi to kathy ;)
Apr 06 14:18:22 <noobmonk3y> she says hi to all :)
Apr 06 14:18:28 <noobmonk3y> we are now playing with liqflow
Apr 06 14:18:34 <noobmonk3y> well kathy is hitting the table :P
Apr 06 14:18:38 <lcuk> :D
Apr 06 14:18:49 <lcuk> tell her ive got a big touchscreen device now
Apr 06 14:18:58 <lcuk> and ill put liqflow on it asap ;)
Apr 06 14:21:31 <javispedro> lcuk: port liqflow to the ipad and get rich!
Apr 06 14:21:54 <lcuk> iped?  why restrict to such a tiny subset of touch devices :)
Apr 06 14:21:57 <lcuk> ipad
Apr 06 14:23:35 <noobmonk3y> back
Apr 06 14:23:39 <noobmonk3y> sorry wifi is painful here
Apr 06 14:24:08 <anotnac> ipads been blowing up or something
Apr 06 14:24:18 <Appiah> huh?
Apr 06 14:24:43 <anotnac> not blowing up but theres charging and app failure problems
Apr 06 14:24:48 <anotnac> lol
Apr 06 14:24:58 <noobmonk3y> everyone is trying to find liqflow
Apr 06 14:25:02 <DocScrutinizer> GeneralAntilles: SUUUPER
Apr 06 14:25:34 <anotnac> just proves its not only nokia that as launch problems, Apple have them everytime but ppl ignore it when its them
Apr 06 14:25:47 <anotnac> http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article7088939.ece
Apr 06 14:25:53 <iPeter-> is here anyone who could help to compile Chromium for maemo5 arm?
Apr 06 14:26:03 <DocScrutinizer> GeneralAntilles: well, let me put it this way: better than device freeze while calling a 0900 number at 15bucks/minute ;-P
Apr 06 14:26:24 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer, hehe.
Apr 06 14:26:25 <javispedro> anotnac: not really, that's just the apple product launch timeline at work. always happens.
Apr 06 14:27:27 * noobmonk3y grins
Apr 06 14:27:33 <noobmonk3y> 3 liqflows - waiting on the 4th
Apr 06 14:28:42 <andrewfblack_> Stskeeps: Just posted my follow up to rant, its twice as long as rant but I tried to write it so it wasn't a rant it self
Apr 06 14:32:58 <lcuk> lol noobmonk3y you got 4 devices there tho?
Apr 06 14:33:03 <noobmonk3y> yup
Apr 06 14:33:08 <noobmonk3y> just uploading video
Apr 06 14:33:12 <lcuk> :D
Apr 06 14:33:16 <lcuk> yt?
Apr 06 14:34:55 <noobmonk3y> brb bluetooth issues
Apr 06 14:36:56 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: Ah. It turned out that I installed lighting in the greenhouse, rather than doing the psu thingy today.
Apr 06 14:43:28 <noobmonk3y> grrrrrrrr ro wifi
Apr 06 14:43:33 <noobmonk3y> uploading 13mb vid now
Apr 06 14:43:41 <noobmonk3y> lcuk, should be a few mins
Apr 06 14:43:53 <noobmonk3y> couldnt get qik doing a live vidcast....
Apr 06 14:44:49 <hrw> E0x: Couldn't find package powertop
Apr 06 14:44:49 <hrw> Nokia-N900-:~#
Apr 06 14:45:00 <hrw> powertop is only in sdk repo?
Apr 06 14:45:38 * noobmonk3y blinks
Apr 06 14:47:30 <evilrob> so has anyone used sygic mobile maps?  I'm contemplating a purchase, but I'm not sure
Apr 06 14:48:18 <SpeedEvil> I have not.
Apr 06 14:48:36 <Stskeeps> evilrob: i use it and i like it
Apr 06 14:48:38 <SpeedEvil> I am wondering on the near-term impact of free maps being released for the UK
Apr 06 14:48:41 <noobmonk3y> lcuk, http://pixelpipe.com/item/beb29681-21e4-4b54-9110-4c16572e215c
Apr 06 14:48:43 <SpeedEvil> (from the ordnance survey.
Apr 06 14:49:10 <frals> firefox wants me to install apple quicktiem to watch that :[
Apr 06 14:49:39 <RevdKathy> hello!
Apr 06 14:49:44 <Stskeeps> lo RevdKathy
Apr 06 14:49:47 <evilrob> hmmm...  I wonder about the US POI db.  I emailed them asking for a 30-day eval.  not holding my breath
Apr 06 14:50:15 <GeneralAntilles> Hey, Kathy.
Apr 06 14:50:21 <frals> RevdKathy o/
Apr 06 14:50:30 <RevdKathy> can people hear me?
Apr 06 14:50:34 <noobmonk3y> ooo wow
Apr 06 14:50:41 * GeneralAntilles books travel arrangements to harass Intel people in SF.
Apr 06 14:50:43 <noobmonk3y> katthy says hi
Apr 06 14:50:47 <noobmonk3y> whilst she learns how to type
Apr 06 14:51:08 <noobmonk3y> peeps - video of liqflow at our n900 here - http://pixelpipe.com/item/beb29681-21e4-4b54-9110-4c16572e215c
Apr 06 14:51:35 <RevdKathy> I can type but have forgotten my irc nick password
Apr 06 14:51:41 <noobmonk3y> :D
Apr 06 14:51:46 <noobmonk3y> she is real i promise i can see her!
Apr 06 14:51:49 <RevdKathy> so I thought I'd be mute
Apr 06 14:52:10 <andrewfblack_> To bad themes are not really considered code or I would summit a theme idea for GSOC
Apr 06 14:52:22 <GeneralAntilles> RevdKathy, you can recover. ;)
Apr 06 14:52:31 <jacekowski> how to install something in arm scratchbox with cpu transparency enabled
Apr 06 14:52:36 <RevdKathy> How?
Apr 06 14:52:45 <GeneralAntilles> RevdKathy, /msg nickserv help
Apr 06 14:52:55 <jacekowski> apt-get install subversion gives me message that it needs root privileges
Apr 06 14:53:05 <Appiah> rootsh
Apr 06 14:53:08 <Appiah> or sudo gainroot
Apr 06 14:53:09 * noobmonk3y prods lcuk 
Apr 06 14:53:09 <RevdKathy> ahh thanks! will do that when I get home!
Apr 06 14:53:10 <lcuk> RevdKathy, i hope you brought bears with you!!! noobmonk3y tried 3 bowls of poridge this morning - one was too hot, one was too cold, the other was just right
Apr 06 14:53:13 <jacekowski> duso doesn't work
Apr 06 14:53:16 <jacekowski> sudo*
Apr 06 14:53:19 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm, or do you still have to talk to a staffer. . . .
Apr 06 14:53:27 <jacekowski> sudo gives me message that it has to be setuid
Apr 06 14:53:31 <jacekowski> ( and it is )
Apr 06 14:53:42 <RevdKathy> the only bears are in my wallpaper
Apr 06 14:53:50 <frals> jacekowski: fakeroot?
Apr 06 14:54:08 <red> jacekowski: type sudo gainroot
Apr 06 14:54:10 <frals> eg fakeroot apt-get install xxx
Apr 06 14:54:21 <red> but install rootsh package first from app manager
Apr 06 14:54:23 <jacekowski> sudo: must be setuid root
Apr 06 14:54:41 <GeneralAntilles> RevdKathy, ah, yeah, gotta talk to a staffer.
Apr 06 14:54:41 <jacekowski> it's scratchbox
Apr 06 14:54:48 <red> okk
Apr 06 14:54:51 <jacekowski> and i suppose emulation isn't working perfectly
Apr 06 14:54:52 <red> ohh*
Apr 06 14:55:45 <jacekowski>   fakeroot works
Apr 06 14:55:58 <andrewfblack_> Stskeeps: Rant Follow up on http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ now
Apr 06 14:56:22 <Stskeeps> andrewfblack_: will read when i don't have a headache
Apr 06 14:56:33 <RevdKathy> hey lcuk! did you see our liqflow vid?
Apr 06 14:56:37 <andrewfblack_> Stskeeps: ok yeah 2000 words might make it worse lol
Apr 06 14:56:40 <noobmonk3y> :D :D
Apr 06 14:56:47 <GeneralAntilles> lol, Khertan. . . .
Apr 06 14:56:52 <GeneralAntilles> Talk about burnout.
Apr 06 14:57:07 <GeneralAntilles> Andrewfblack, the font size and color are cruel. :P
Apr 06 14:57:39 <andrewfblack_> GeneralAntilles: yeah need to play with it some
Apr 06 14:59:05 <lcuk> RevdKathy, not yet, working
Apr 06 15:00:52 <RevdKathy> so I gather!
Apr 06 15:00:52 <RevdKathy> we just discovered that irc buzzes if you mention my name
Apr 06 15:02:28 <lcuk> RevdKathy, :) indeed it does
Apr 06 15:02:38 <noobmonk3y> RevdKathy,  buzz buzz
Apr 06 15:03:09 <RevdKathy> nifty! It even knows when I'm looking at it and not to bother!
Apr 06 15:05:00 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: Ok - this discharge - again no updated cap - but watchdog seemingly kicked in for low voltage at just under 3330mV. - for a total of 14h GPS logging. from 1322 reported to 460, or 862mAh.
Apr 06 15:05:21 <noobmonk3y> second video with people in it being uploaded!
Apr 06 15:05:46 <SpeedEvil> Are you sure they're not pod people?
Apr 06 15:06:33 <noobmonk3y> pod people?
Apr 06 15:07:08 <RevdKathy> no, I'm god people not pod people!
Apr 06 15:11:11 * SpeedEvil ponders if pod people have souls. 
Apr 06 15:11:13 <noobmonk3y> http://pixelpipe.com/item/33a3666d-4abb-40bc-8568-1a3afa167ff5
Apr 06 15:11:23 <noobmonk3y> Latest video with people in it!! :D wohooooooo
Apr 06 15:12:31 <nidO> ugh why quicktime :(
Apr 06 15:12:39 <noobmonk3y> pixelpipe :(
Apr 06 15:12:55 <anotnac> nokia making a big tablet these seem to think it will be windows based b/c they think meego wont be out but we know it will be, what you guys think http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/04/06/is-nokia-working-on-booklet-touch-windows-7-based-tablet/
Apr 06 15:13:21 <anotnac> they just guessing at the OS
Apr 06 15:14:08 <noobmonk3y> battery on lappy dying - bye alls :D
Apr 06 15:14:12 <nidO> I would think if theyre aiming for an autumn release, theyd be shooting to put meego on it
Apr 06 15:14:30 <anotnac> thats what i just put in comment on there
Apr 06 15:15:35 <RevdKathy> wifi a bit lumpy here!
Apr 06 15:15:55 <nidO> noobmonk3y's been moaning about that for the past few hours :>
Apr 06 15:16:57 <RevdKathy> he's demo-ing how long his battery lasts now
Apr 06 15:17:17 <anotnac> i wish nokia would leak some meego/maemo stuff like they do with symbian to create a buzz, i hate it when its quiet in the hardware space
Apr 06 15:17:25 * javispedro wonders why the openttd repo had to be down _today_ that I decided to look at upgrading my ugly packaging
Apr 06 15:18:14 * javispedro prays to the tentacled one
Apr 06 15:21:15 <achipa> anotnac: technically, it *is* in time for MeeGo, the notebook UX has an earlier release date than the phone one
Apr 06 15:23:20 <achipa> anotnac: fremantle and harmattan are, however, very unlikely as they are both resolution-limited
Apr 06 15:24:13 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, I really like how those figures look when redone for RS=20 :D
Apr 06 15:24:35 <anotnac> i'm will to take bets on the chip sets already, who thinks atom on a big tablet
Apr 06 15:24:36 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: perhaps, yes
Apr 06 15:24:46 <SpeedEvil> anotnac: I think pentium pro.
Apr 06 15:24:53 <anotnac> lol
Apr 06 15:26:20 <anotnac> only giving evens b/c its written in the stars
Apr 06 15:28:17 <Khertan> Hi !
Apr 06 15:28:43 <tahitibob35> salut !
Apr 06 15:29:08 <Khertan> Does libglew is available on fremantle ?
Apr 06 15:29:15 <Khertan> Salut tahitibob35
Apr 06 15:29:41 <Khertan> tres efficace roadrunner ... ca ma sauver 3 points :)
Apr 06 15:29:45 <Khertan> merci
Apr 06 15:31:40 <tahitibob35> merci à toi pour tes thumbs up
Apr 06 15:32:56 <Khertan> merci à toi pour cette applis trés utile !
Apr 06 15:37:17 <Khertan> tahitibob35, ou as tu récupérer la liste des radars ?
Apr 06 15:38:30 <tahitibob35> alertegps.com, mais obsolete depuis novembre(payant), mieux faut trouver un gpx plus à jour et l'installer manuellement
Apr 06 15:39:43 <Khertan> cepandant c'est pas mal a jour, des endroits bien discret que j'ai deja vu utiliser par des jumelles sur des departemental pommé sont bien signalé :)
Apr 06 15:40:13 <Khertan> cepandant, j'imagine que ca se trouve facilement une version plus à jour :)à
Apr 06 15:42:26 <tahitibob35> oui, http://www.scdb.info,  gpspassion, www.gps-waypoints.net
Apr 06 15:42:34 <mangei> hi, on which devices does maemo run at the moment?
Apr 06 15:42:45 <Lumpio-> Sacre bleu!
Apr 06 15:43:01 <mangei> i only heard about the Nokia N900
Apr 06 15:43:20 <Khertan> Nokia 770, Nokia n800, Nokia n810, Nokia n900 depends on which version you want be able to use of Maemo
Apr 06 15:43:45 <mangei> The n900 is the newest one, isn't it?
Apr 06 15:43:47 <Khertan> only the n900 is able to run Fremantle Aka Maemo 5
Apr 06 15:43:54 <Khertan> mangei, right
Apr 06 15:44:25 <mangei> Today i heard about the new operating system called MeeGo...
Apr 06 15:44:47 <mangei> will this os be available for the n900
Apr 06 15:44:59 <mangei> or is there an upgrade function?
Apr 06 15:45:59 <Khertan> noone know if a user version will really exist one day for n90
Apr 06 15:46:01 <Khertan> n900
Apr 06 15:46:21 <Khertan> but the first dev release work on it :)
Apr 06 15:46:49 <Khertan> but all you ll get is a base OS, no GUI, nothing except a black and white terminal
Apr 06 15:47:20 <ShadowJK> That's the "Day 1" release of MeeGo :)
Apr 06 15:47:25 <ShadowJK> first day of development ;)
Apr 06 15:47:31 <mangei> yeah.. at the moment.. for the dev-version.. i read the mail :)
Apr 06 15:47:33 <javispedro> imagine what the Day 7 release will bring
Apr 06 15:47:52 <ShadowJK> javispedro, xeyes!?
Apr 06 15:48:11 <javispedro> $DEITY is furious
Apr 06 15:48:16 <mangei> and when will be the Day 7..? :P
Apr 06 15:48:47 <andrewfblack_> GeneralAntilles: there you go my blog should be a little easyer on the eyes
Apr 06 15:50:14 <mangei> currently i think about buying a new mobile/smart phone..
Apr 06 15:50:36 <mangei> i think about Android or Maemo (MeeGo) ...
Apr 06 15:50:54 <Khertan> ShadowJK, of course
Apr 06 15:51:19 <mangei> a quite interessting decision for me
Apr 06 15:51:55 <Khertan> Mangei depends on what you want to do with you device
Apr 06 15:52:18 <Khertan> if you are a python dev ... i cannot suggest something else than Maemo :)
Apr 06 15:52:36 <mangei> what are the advantiges and disadvantiges of those?
Apr 06 15:53:02 <mangei> and if you are a C-programmer -> also Maemo
Apr 06 15:54:09 <mangei> can you advice the N900?
Apr 06 16:03:34 * corecode overclocks the channel
Apr 06 16:04:29 <E0x> the app manager use the proxy setting too right ?
Apr 06 16:06:24 <andrewfblack_> its amazing how many thumb downs I am getting this week on Planet. :)
Apr 06 16:07:27 * Noobmonk3y waves goodbye!
Apr 06 16:07:27 <Noobmonk3y> off back to butlins i go!
Apr 06 16:08:28 <Noobmonk3y> :( any reason why?
Apr 06 16:17:38 <frals> god testing is the boring part of coding
Apr 06 16:23:39 <mortal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/10185698@N00/4494088129/sizes/l/ wow
Apr 06 16:29:01 <toggles_w> whoa!
Apr 06 16:29:30 <lcuk> frals, but the most important and sometimes difficult part
Apr 06 16:29:50 <frals> yeah :<
Apr 06 16:30:14 <frals> getting pretty lazy with regression testing of fmms thou
Apr 06 16:30:58 <lcuk> frals, do you have your testcases documented
Apr 06 16:31:18 <frals> * send MMS * receive MMS
Apr 06 16:31:19 <frals> ;D
Apr 06 16:31:35 <frals> no, not really... guess i should do that and let someone else run the tests... hmm
Apr 06 16:31:42 <frals> youre on to something there! ;)
Apr 06 16:31:58 <lcuk> :)
Apr 06 16:37:30 <Zeddy> i took my girlfriends nokia charger which is also mini-usb and plugged my n900 to the laptop, are there some differences between these usb cables? Since the phone wont let me use it as storage or pc suite mode with this cable
Apr 06 16:37:49 <Zeddy> her charger came with one of the first xpress music models
Apr 06 16:41:06 <mangei> can i use the N900 vertically? or just horizontal?
Apr 06 16:41:09 <GeneralAntilles> Hi, Khertan. :)
Apr 06 16:42:05 <slonopotamus> err...
Apr 06 16:42:58 <ShadowJK> Zeddy, well you've got a problem if you managed to jam a microusb cable into N900, because N900 has microusb receptable :P
Apr 06 16:43:10 <slonopotamus> how i specify smtp server in fremantle modest without link to particular connection?
Apr 06 16:43:11 <DocScrutinizer-8> N900 has micro-USB and a standard cable
Apr 06 16:43:12 <ShadowJK> jam a miniusb into n900 I mean... heh
Apr 06 16:46:29 <Zeddy> what lol
Apr 06 16:46:32 <Zeddy> microusb it is..
Apr 06 16:46:37 <Zeddy> atleast it charges the phone
Apr 06 16:47:12 <Zeddy> but shouldn't it be a standard..
Apr 06 16:50:02 <Zeddy> What the hell
Apr 06 16:50:06 <Zeddy> i just tried using another laptop
Apr 06 16:50:24 <Zeddy> the phone just threw an error message at me telling me its unable to charge the battery since theres not enough power to go about :D
Apr 06 16:51:10 <SWFu> I get that alot.
Apr 06 16:51:36 <DocScrutinizer-8> Zeddy: so blame the laptop, not the phone
Apr 06 16:52:31 <crs> X-Fade: Thanks for help. Have finished flashing some time ago. All is working very fine except for restoring settings from backup so i have had to move stuff on desktops again. Not a big problem. All is working. Lets see if it is gonna slow down after few days of uptime.
Apr 06 17:02:48 <mangei> can i use all maemo apps in portrait and widescreenmode?
Apr 06 17:02:59 <mangei> or how does it work?
Apr 06 17:03:09 <Khertan> Hi GeneralAntilles
Apr 06 17:04:12 <Jef91> is there an easy way I can free up some rootfs space?
Apr 06 17:04:21 <javispedro> mangei: no, you can't use all apps in portrait mode. you can use all apps in landscape, though.
Apr 06 17:05:17 * javispedro looks a the size of his inbox and panics briefly
Apr 06 17:05:27 <Zeddy> hha
Apr 06 17:05:34 <Zeddy> once i removed my mmc it started working perfectly
Apr 06 17:05:37 <Zeddy> what the hell.
Apr 06 17:06:12 <mangei> and what's with the basic applications like contacts, sms,...? run these apps in both modes?
Apr 06 17:07:31 <Wappinger> i have some issue with the rotation when i'm on call with someone and when i want to end the call. it start rotating and it takes me time to end the call. :( Do someone have a solution?
Apr 06 17:07:38 <javispedro> mangei: no
Apr 06 17:08:23 <javispedro> mangei: only dialer, photo viewer, browser, and some third party apps.
Apr 06 17:08:57 <Jef91> mangei Just the phone
Apr 06 17:09:40 <mangei> ok, thanks
Apr 06 17:10:12 <frosty`> Wappinger: ive got the same problem, its pretty frustrating
Apr 06 17:10:14 <Jef91> my rootfs is full from just installing applications from extras - aren't those all suppose to beopted to be in there?
Apr 06 17:10:58 <microlith> Jef91: if you know of a package in extras that isn't optified, post a bug
Apr 06 17:11:59 <Jef91> microlith is there anyway I can tell which one isn't? I was installing a whole bunch and I went from 40megs open to 0 :-/
Apr 06 17:12:21 <hrw> http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/04/06/another-job-change/
Apr 06 17:12:53 <Stskeeps> hrw: congratuations!
Apr 06 17:12:57 <hrw> thx
Apr 06 17:13:12 <Stskeeps> +l
Apr 06 17:13:25 <_llll_> Jef91: should be obvious from the files.  'dpkg -S file' should also help identify the package (although i didnt test if this works on maemo, presumabyl it does but who knows)
Apr 06 17:15:37 <Jef91> thanks _llll_ I'll have to sort through that later. the way rootfs is setup on the n900 is it's biggest draw back
Apr 06 17:16:29 <_llll_> it's a draw back certaionly
Apr 06 17:16:53 <_llll_> the whole vfat/ext3 split thing pretty annoying really, but *shrug*, not like it really matters
Apr 06 17:17:43 <Jef91> _llll_ that bothers be a whole lot lessthan rootfs being stuck size. They shouldhave put the whole thing in the two gigs
Apr 06 17:18:11 <Tuxprobe> Hello everyone!!
Apr 06 17:18:13 <Tuxprobe> Anyone interested in joining my quests in producing a tvguide for N900???
Apr 06 17:18:30 <Tuxprobe> see https://garage.maemo.org/projects/xml-tvguide/
Apr 06 17:18:39 <Tuxprobe> its close to useable, still needs a few updates in the gui parts - and goal is to create a home-plugin with only current and upcoming airings
Apr 06 17:18:49 <Tuxprobe> besides that, translations needs to be implemented and if requests are plentyful enough, xmltv grabbers should be implemented as well
Apr 06 17:18:58 <Tuxprobe> so, if you have any experience in xmltv feed construction or want to take part in translations, answer in the forums 'developers' section for xml-tvguide project!!
Apr 06 17:24:58 <Wappinger> frosty` did you try when you go in "phone" application, you have on top "Phone" => "Turning Control" => and Display Orientation set to "Portrait" ??? It was set to "Automatic" for me, i'll try "Portrait"
Apr 06 17:25:50 <frosty`> Wappinger: turning control just uses the hardware to determine if it should go to phone mode when you turn it upright.. i dont think it affects during the call
Apr 06 17:28:06 <ech0Asus> i want moblock on my n900
Apr 06 17:29:04 <matthew_> ok ech0Asus; i want so many things ;d
Apr 06 17:29:54 <ech0Asus> i figure i could get the terminal based part workin just not the graphic controller :(
Apr 06 17:30:17 <ralphn900> hi, I followed the wiki on maemo.org to get here. I was wondering if there is a way to sync Thunderbird/Lightning on XP with the N900 contacts/calendar over the network?
Apr 06 17:32:01 <Gizmokid2005> Hmmm, is there any way to check the status/strength of the gprs connection?
Apr 06 17:32:14 <Wappinger> frosty` it works
Apr 06 17:32:26 <Gizmokid2005> It seems that my N900 can't keep a connection to my provider right now, whereas my E71x has no troubles..hate to think this was hardware.
Apr 06 17:32:56 <ech0Asus> maybe healthcheck but im not sure
Apr 06 17:33:05 <frosty`> i was going to say healthcheck might, yeah
Apr 06 17:33:14 <Gizmokid2005> ahh right.
Apr 06 17:33:31 <Gizmokid2005> checking
Apr 06 17:33:59 <balazsbela> hey all
Apr 06 17:34:02 <Gizmokid2005> yeah...phone signal gives me -0dBm
Apr 06 17:34:04 <ech0Asus> would it show any of that info in iwconfig?
Apr 06 17:34:10 <balazsbela> anyone interested in my GSoC application ?
Apr 06 17:35:05 <Gizmokid2005> ech0Asus: not sure. There is lo, wmaster0, wlan0, and phonet0
Apr 06 17:35:21 <Gizmokid2005> ofc wlan0 is connected and up. but the other 3 give me "no wireless extensions"
Apr 06 17:35:31 <ech0Asus> i'd think phonet0 might be it
Apr 06 17:35:42 <Gizmokid2005> same here.
Apr 06 17:35:52 <Gizmokid2005> but it's showing nothing. Already rebooted twice, and pulled the sim.
Apr 06 17:36:24 <ech0Asus> weird, dunno how 3g works lol
Apr 06 17:36:37 <Gizmokid2005> can't get 3G since I'm on AT&T
Apr 06 17:37:36 <ech0Asus> i don't understand that.. does at&t own their own frequency or nokia just don't want to support them?
Apr 06 17:37:53 <Gizmokid2005> nokia just didn't add the right radio to support their 3G frequencies in the N900
Apr 06 17:38:13 <ech0Asus> ah, wonder if that could be hacked in somehow lol
Apr 06 17:38:28 <ech0Asus> prolly hardware thing though huh?
Apr 06 17:38:48 <Gizmokid2005> AT&T has the 850/1900 combo and T-mo has the 1700/2100
Apr 06 17:38:53 <Gizmokid2005> yeah...I'm pretty sure it's hardware
Apr 06 17:39:16 <ech0Asus> i still haven't got fMMS set up properly lol
Apr 06 17:39:21 <Gizmokid2005> me neither
Apr 06 17:39:26 <Gizmokid2005> I can't get it to work on AT&T to save my life.
Apr 06 17:39:37 <Gizmokid2005> I do get the push sms for mms now, but I can't get it to DL or send the MMS
Apr 06 17:39:39 <ech0Asus> i have tried every setting on the wiki lol
Apr 06 17:39:44 <Gizmokid2005> yep.
Apr 06 17:39:47 <ech0Asus> for tmo and nada... error every time
Apr 06 17:39:54 <Gizmokid2005> yeah.
Apr 06 17:40:02 <ech0Asus> i recieve them.. can't open them rofl
Apr 06 17:40:10 <Gizmokid2005> and now I've got this with my N900...it just doesn't make sense...my E71x works fine.
Apr 06 17:41:58 <ech0Asus> perhaps interferance from the e71x, try turning it off and see if the n900 does better.
Apr 06 17:42:03 <Gizmokid2005> it's never on.
Apr 06 17:42:09 <ech0Asus> then i dunno lol
Apr 06 17:42:15 <Gizmokid2005> that's the thing, it sits in my desk drawer with the battery out since I use my N900.
Apr 06 17:43:02 <Gizmokid2005> my N900 has been in once already for dust under the screen though...and it has to go in again, it's worse this time...I'd just hate to think this was/is a hardware thing.
Apr 06 17:43:11 <Gizmokid2005> I hate not being able to use my n900...
Apr 06 17:43:40 <ech0Asus> only major issue i had with mine was some app draining my battery really fast
Apr 06 17:43:48 <ech0Asus> but haven't had it that long
Apr 06 17:43:57 <ech0Asus> stay away from testing apps
Apr 06 17:43:58 <ech0Asus> lol
Apr 06 17:44:26 <Gizmokid2005> lol, I've had mine since december. Been through my fair share of extras and extras-devel apps that sucked and/or drained the battery.
Apr 06 17:44:41 <ech0Asus> yeah lol it scared me
Apr 06 17:45:01 <ech0Asus> i think joikuspot killed my wall charger
Apr 06 17:45:09 <Gizmokid2005> ouch...how?
Apr 06 17:45:12 <ech0Asus> it made my n900 really hot
Apr 06 17:45:20 <ech0Asus> then my charger wouldn't work after that
Apr 06 17:45:28 <ech0Asus> was plugged in cause joikuspot drains battery..
Apr 06 17:45:46 <ech0Asus> i use the usb cable to charge now.. still haven't got a new charger
Apr 06 17:45:54 <Gizmokid2005> right, I wouldn't use joikuspot W/O being plugged in.
Apr 06 17:46:02 <Gizmokid2005> I haven't bought joikuspot
Apr 06 17:46:06 <Gizmokid2005> I've heard good things...but
Apr 06 17:46:16 <ech0Asus> even the new version makes ur n900 hot
Apr 06 17:46:32 <Gizmokid2005> I don't doubt it.
Apr 06 17:46:37 <Gizmokid2005> it's running both radios at the same time.
Apr 06 17:46:39 <ech0Asus> i don't see why it cost money though when wicd can do adhoc..
Apr 06 17:47:20 <ech0Asus> commercial stuff meh
Apr 06 17:48:18 <corecode> really? 1300 posts about overclocking?
Apr 06 17:50:17 <dmj726_n900> Is there any good way to do a video screen capture on the n900?
Apr 06 17:51:36 <DocScrutinizer> Gizmokid2005: N900 can't do 3G on the non-standard 850/1900 frequencies. You'll be restricted to 2G/GPRS/EDGE. If you're on a carrier that doesn't provide 2G then you're out of luck. Also you need to set modem to 'dual' or '2G'
Apr 06 17:51:40 <Gizmokid2005> yep, back on my E71, I get full service in the same spot my N900 was failing.
Apr 06 17:51:58 <Gizmokid2005> DocScrutinizer: I know about 3G. Known about that for a long time
Apr 06 17:52:11 <Gizmokid2005> but just today, this afternoon, it stopped connecting to the cell network at all.
Apr 06 17:52:42 <DocScrutinizer> you can place calls?
Apr 06 17:52:51 <Gizmokid2005> nope
Apr 06 17:52:55 <Gizmokid2005> can't receive them, same for texting
Apr 06 17:53:14 <Gizmokid2005> but the same SIM works in my old E71x.
Apr 06 17:53:58 <Gizmokid2005> I noticed this same thing happened yesterday, but just once, and only for a minute, then it worked normally. Now it's just completely dead to the cell network.
Apr 06 17:54:08 * Noobmonk3y is almost back at butlins :)
Apr 06 17:54:17 <ShadowJK> corecode, it's mostly like this <post X> here's a kerenl for 900 Mhz </post> <post x+1> thanks! </post> <post x+2> Where's the 900MHz kernel? Help! I've looked EVERYWHERE! </post> <post x+3,x+4,x+5,...,x+6> It's at post x </post
Apr 06 17:54:59 <Gadgetoid_mbp> 1.2Ghz N900, hai!
Apr 06 17:55:20 <Scelt> Gadgetoid_mbp: pr1.2?!?
Apr 06 17:55:32 <ShadowJK> I think he meant 1200MHz
Apr 06 17:55:49 <Scelt> ShadowJK: these times we have a highlight for 1.2
Apr 06 17:55:54 <DocScrutinizer> frigging idiocy
Apr 06 17:56:04 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Yeah, I'm thinking I should move to iceland so I can run at 1200mhz
Apr 06 17:56:09 <Gizmokid2005> DocScrutinizer: unless you have other ideas, or of things I can check, I do believe that either my SIM is going bad, or my N900 has a hardware failure...
Apr 06 17:56:31 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, what I worry most is that these people will start claiming warranty once their N900 dies, and then nokia will impose new DRM measures on us so we can't run our own kernels anymore so that they don't have to pay for these idiots
Apr 06 17:56:44 <DocScrutinizer> Gizmokid2005: check your phone settings
Apr 06 17:56:51 <ShadowJK> It's not about the temperature :)
Apr 06 17:56:55 <DocScrutinizer> Gizmokid2005: no other ideas beyond that
Apr 06 17:56:57 <ShadowJK> though it makes it somewhat worse...
Apr 06 17:56:57 <Gadgetoid_mbp> ShadowJK: Is it even possible to retrospectively add DRM to an open platform?
Apr 06 17:57:01 <korhojoa> ShadowJK: yeah. i'm wondering if there's a way to check what they've been running
Apr 06 17:57:18 <ShadowJK> Gadgetoid_mbp, I mean for the next device obviously
Apr 06 17:57:22 <korhojoa> i mean, i guess it won't show what's wrong if you flash it back to stock
Apr 06 17:57:28 <Gizmokid2005> DocScrutinizer: anything in particular i should be checking?
Apr 06 17:57:31 <Gadgetoid_mbp> ShadowJK: next device? that's optimistic!
Apr 06 17:58:13 <korhojoa> the n910 ?
Apr 06 17:58:16 <DocScrutinizer> Gadgetoid_mbp: N900 isn't really open. There's NOLO
Apr 06 17:58:16 <dmj726_n900> I don't see many actually overclocking their n900.
Apr 06 17:58:17 <Zeddy> is it possible to design the ui for an maemo app in a graphical view
Apr 06 17:58:35 <dmj726_n900> relative to the total number of users.
Apr 06 17:58:52 <Gadgetoid_mbp> DocScrutinizer: I don't think it could be DRMified
Apr 06 17:59:07 <DocScrutinizer> Gadgetoid_mbp: It can
Apr 06 17:59:13 <korhojoa> I really don't understand why the US insists on having different frequencies from almost everyone else
Apr 06 17:59:41 <Gadgetoid_mbp> DocScrutinizer: If they personally visit my house, beat me, tie me up, and forcefully install a new firmware onto the phone?
Apr 06 18:00:35 <DocScrutinizer> Gadgetoid_mbp: they can update NOLO, and you'll either do that update, or stay with pr1.1.1
Apr 06 18:01:23 <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm happy with 1.1.1 and a big fat overclock, so to hell with their cutsey yet scary acronyms of doom!
Apr 06 18:01:51 <ShadowJK> Well thanks for ruining for everyone else. That's really nice and social now.
Apr 06 18:02:02 <DocScrutinizer> fuck big fat overclock
Apr 06 18:02:15 <cehteh> still no melted devices?
Apr 06 18:02:18 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Makes the N900 run like it should, rather than waiting for Nokia to bloody well fix it
Apr 06 18:02:21 <Jaffa> Andrewfblack: ping
Apr 06 18:02:56 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Probably quite likely that the new iPhone will come before I manage to abuse my N900 to death, though
Apr 06 18:03:00 <DocScrutinizer> Gadgetoid_mbp: I suggest you build your own perfect device instead of waiting for Nokia to ship crap to you
Apr 06 18:03:44 <Gadgetoid_mbp> DocScrutinizer: Or just wait for the Pandora, might be here in another 10-12 years
Apr 06 18:04:01 * DocScrutinizer regrets to have powered up his laptop
Apr 06 18:04:12 <brik> Zeddy: qt creator
Apr 06 18:04:29 <Zeddy> hmm.. and it will compile :o
Apr 06 18:04:46 <Zeddy> last time i tried using qt creator for design i failed
Apr 06 18:06:03 * javispedro does something evil, like building boost1.38 for diablo
Apr 06 18:06:18 <Stskeeps> scary
Apr 06 18:06:43 <Jaffa> javispedro: eugh
Apr 06 18:06:47 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Sheesh, all the overclocking hate... so much for opting for a heavily software mod-able and community driven phone
Apr 06 18:07:04 <ShadowJK> cehteh, it's not about melting, ffs
Apr 06 18:07:04 <Jaffa> Train must go faster. Want Joggler fun.
Apr 06 18:07:45 <javispedro> ah, those words of encouragement :)
Apr 06 18:08:06 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Mine's not about to melt, I live in England... hah!
Apr 06 18:08:11 <Gizmokid2005> DocScrutinizer: Hrm....not sure what's going on, but it seems that my N900 doesn't like my SIM...or the network doesn't like the phone now...
Apr 06 18:08:14 <Jaffa> Gadgetoid_mbp: The concern is, I guess, that ppl who think it's exactly equatable with x86 desktop PC overclocking will try it, eventually get a problem and call the N900 crap.
Apr 06 18:08:20 * javispedro ponders doing something more evil, like scraiping boost1.38's bimap.hpp and hack it into a package. it's all c++ templates, should it work!
Apr 06 18:08:35 * RST38h crucifies a kitten for javispedro
Apr 06 18:08:41 <DocScrutinizer> Gadgetoid_mbp: Are you just trolling or are you really such a bainfail?
Apr 06 18:08:50 <Gizmokid2005> I just get "No access" when I try to connect manually.
Apr 06 18:08:51 <DocScrutinizer> bRain
Apr 06 18:08:53 <RST38h> javispedro: boost is bad for you, AVOID
Apr 06 18:08:59 <RST38h> javispedro: (stl too)
Apr 06 18:09:01 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Jaffa: In my experience x86 PC over-clocking was fraught with  problems
Apr 06 18:09:12 <Gadgetoid_mbp> DocScrutinizer: The latter, incidentally
Apr 06 18:09:44 <javispedro> RST38h: I had a kilometer long g++ error message just to tell me that I could not append a char to string =)
Apr 06 18:09:56 <javispedro> all because someone decided to use some fancy lambda features
Apr 06 18:10:17 * noobmonk3y waves
Apr 06 18:10:19 <ShadowJK> Ot
Apr 06 18:10:19 <noobmonk3y> wohooooooooooooo
Apr 06 18:10:32 <ShadowJK> It's not about temperature. It's not about temperature. It's not about melting
Apr 06 18:10:57 <Jaffa> Gadgetoid_mbp: replacing a buggered processor was easier tho' ;-)
Apr 06 18:11:04 <noobmonk3y> lcuk, did you get round to seeing the meet-up vids?
Apr 06 18:11:18 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Jaffa: True, that, although I never successfully buggered one
Apr 06 18:11:51 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Was just a bit of a hit and miss game getting a stable system, even with a bundle bought pre-overclocked I eventually had to knock it down to stock for stability
Apr 06 18:11:55 <Jaffa> Gadgetoid_mbp: And Igor Stoppa *was* pretty clear in Amsterdam
Apr 06 18:12:25 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Jaffa: Hey, if it does melt I could *drink* it!
Apr 06 18:12:50 <ShadowJK> It wont melt, ffs
Apr 06 18:12:53 <DocScrutinizer> IT IS *NOT* ABOUT MELTING!!
Apr 06 18:12:59 <javispedro> you know something is wrong when CXXFLAGS contains " -ftemplate-depth-128"
Apr 06 18:13:09 * noobmonk3y wants to figure out how to get live vid streaming working on the n900 - ready for the next meetup :D
Apr 06 18:13:15 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Sorry, that *was* trolling ;)
Apr 06 18:13:25 * Jaffa thinks, on the plus side, it could be natural selection for tmo. Last message from many noobs: "I got my N900 up to 2GHz, but it broke so I'm getting an iPhone. Bye"
Apr 06 18:13:30 <GAN900> 1300 posts in that overclocking thread
Apr 06 18:13:38 <GAN900> Hello dead N900s
Apr 06 18:13:42 <noobmonk3y> lol
Apr 06 18:13:54 <javispedro> I wouldn't worry much :)
Apr 06 18:13:58 <Gadgetoid_mbp> I successfully ran mine at 3Ghz
Apr 06 18:14:04 <naxu> so how many bricks so far?
Apr 06 18:14:06 <Jaffa> javispedro: Turn it up to 11.
Apr 06 18:14:08 <ShadowJK> GAN900, but you know, in 4 months time when they start dying, people will blame something else :)
Apr 06 18:14:08 <Gadgetoid_mbp> But then it started to morph into a micro black hole
Apr 06 18:14:24 <Gadgetoid_mbp> You mean when they melt?
Apr 06 18:14:31 <RST38h> javispedro: As I said before, avoid the freaking thing like plague
Apr 06 18:14:34 <DocScrutinizer> great, all should post their SER# (to compare how high you can clock the different revisions XP)
Apr 06 18:14:41 <Jaffa> ShadowJK: !ike "now I can't upgrade to PR1.2"
Apr 06 18:14:55 <RST38h> javispedro: Pretty much the same applies to STL, although Boost is especially evil.
Apr 06 18:15:13 <Gadgetoid_mbp> There are probably going to be quite a few PR1.2 upgrade morons, *sigh*
Apr 06 18:15:19 <noobmonk3y> Jaffa, hopefully a bit sooner then 4 months :P - but wont the upgrade just overwrite their kernel?
Apr 06 18:15:19 <RST38h> GAN900: Have reports of dead N900 started appearing though?
Apr 06 18:15:36 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Enough people asking the same goddamned question on the thread over and over again "wher do i get tha kernal?"
Apr 06 18:15:39 <javispedro> ShadowJK: they're already doing it. when everything crashes they blame smartreflex, because of course, what good elite overclocker would NOT compensate by using smartreflex?
Apr 06 18:15:50 <thresh> i cant upgrade to PR 1.2 as well
Apr 06 18:16:03 <Chiku> is it out?
Apr 06 18:16:06 <ShadowJK> Oh that's another favourite of mine, that smartreflex bug.. it's like "Bug: smartreflex not enabled by default Cause: it doesn't work" and then people are like "I enabled smartreflex and now it crashes!! I hope nokia fixes this bug!", like wtf, fix the bug that it's not enabled by default? Yeah okay, that's brilliant, asking a known destabilizing function to be turned on :P
Apr 06 18:16:09 <noobmonk3y> lol @ venom for that 1.2 post this morning :P
Apr 06 18:16:10 <DocScrutinizer> Gadgetoid_mbp: if you say 'melt' once more, you'll be kicked for trolling!
Apr 06 18:16:12 <Scelt> pr1.2!
Apr 06 18:16:16 <thresh> no, and that is the main reason why i cant :-(
Apr 06 18:16:24 <Scelt> damn
Apr 06 18:16:34 <Chiku> because it's not out yet?
Apr 06 18:16:45 <RST38h> ShadowJK: mot of these have attention spans of a fruit fly, s no wonder
Apr 06 18:16:48 <RST38h> most
Apr 06 18:16:51 * GAN900 hands ShadowJK and DocScrutinizer cups of tea.
Apr 06 18:16:53 <Gadgetoid_mbp> DocScrutinizer: Oh thy lordship of mighty intelligence, what therefore will the N900 do if not melt?
Apr 06 18:17:23 <javispedro> morph back into that insane man from the ad?
Apr 06 18:17:24 <Gizmokid2005> I wish they'd just let PR1.2 drop so we can use our Qt apps again...(those that have been updated).
Apr 06 18:17:30 <SpeedEvil> The format of TMO _encourages_ short attention spans.
Apr 06 18:17:37 <SpeedEvil> It's _UTTERLY_BROKEN_
Apr 06 18:17:56 * GAN900 gets another cup for SpeedEvil
Apr 06 18:18:22 * SpeedEvil looks for 2 girls.
Apr 06 18:18:24 <thresh> i fell down on my n900 earlier today
Apr 06 18:18:24 <Gadgetoid_mbp> SpeedEvil: Hooray for a device that's mass marketed and attracts mass extreme noobage
Apr 06 18:18:33 <thresh> it got between my ass and asphalt
Apr 06 18:18:35 <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid_mbp: yes - there is that.
Apr 06 18:18:41 <thresh> weirdly enough, nothing is broken
Apr 06 18:18:41 <SpeedEvil> thresh: oops.
Apr 06 18:18:49 <pupnik> how would you fix TMO SpeedEvil ?
Apr 06 18:18:49 * javispedro now has ample time to rant while boost builds. or, to be more precise, fails to build but for some reason keeps going while lots of link errors come through the xterm.
Apr 06 18:18:53 <Gadgetoid_mbp> The problem with the N810 is that nobody had one, the good thing about the N810 was that nobody had one... aargh
Apr 06 18:18:55 <ShadowJK> thresh, hooray for having a fatass?
Apr 06 18:19:06 <Gizmokid2005> You know what...I'll bet...since ATT has a different frequency for 3G...I'm sure they have multiple radios at the tower...maybe the storms that just went through took out the 2G radios!
Apr 06 18:19:10 <GAN900> javispedro, is boost for Fremantle optified yet?
Apr 06 18:19:14 * DocScrutinizer says thanks for the tea, and heads out to get a beer instead. Sometimes it's unbearable
Apr 06 18:19:15 <SpeedEvil> pupnik: some simple threaded interface that can present more than ten items.
Apr 06 18:19:15 <thresh> ShadowJK: i'm thin :(
Apr 06 18:19:33 * SpeedEvil passes thresh 59Kg of lard.
Apr 06 18:19:37 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, hooray for 1-litre beer cans, it's the best invention since the pint-sized beer can
Apr 06 18:19:54 <thresh> yummy
Apr 06 18:19:55 <GAN900> korhojoa, that's not quite correct.
Apr 06 18:20:01 <noobmonk3y> Chi/me thinks tmo needs to sort out the top menu.... wiki is the place/link that has to be up the top imo..... (Yes i know its not a toolbar.... but dang it is needed)
Apr 06 18:20:23 <javispedro> GAN900: from a quick look the packaging, doesn't seem to.
Apr 06 18:20:27 <GAN900> korhojoa, those frequencies are used in Canada, South America, some parts of Asia, Australia, etc.
Apr 06 18:20:34 <DocScrutinizer> Gizmokid2005: quite poassible, yes
Apr 06 18:20:44 <GAN900> javispedro, somebody needs to do that
Apr 06 18:20:49 <Jaffa> noobmonk3y: Depends on how it's done. SSU won't apply if meta-package dependencies are broken, but direct flashing would get overwritten, I guess.
Apr 06 18:21:08 <Gizmokid2005> DocScrutinizer: calling them now, I suppose we'll see what they say. Since my E71 supports all the 3G bands, it works fine...
Apr 06 18:21:14 <noobmonk3y> ahhhh cheers Jaffa :D - assuming it might still cause issues :P - will wait and see :D
Apr 06 18:21:20 <GAN900> noobmonk3y, this discussion has been beated to death.
Apr 06 18:21:26 <noobmonk3y> anyway, no need to overclock if my device is running fine :)
Apr 06 18:21:42 <GAN900> noobmonk3y, tools don't go in the top level navigation was the conclusion.
Apr 06 18:21:42 <noobmonk3y> GAN900, it may have, but i've not been involved in any and twas just my opinion :D
Apr 06 18:22:53 <noobmonk3y> kathy and i had an indepth chat about the layout of tmo, and she told me that was the outcome earlier, both of us are a bit dismayed at it....  i understand the no toolbar reasoning, but it doesnt make sense to non-techies......
Apr 06 18:23:12 <RST38h> Medium sized but cute screwup in the upcoming Qt: http://blog.rburchell.com/2010/04/qt-on-maemo-warning.html
Apr 06 18:23:29 <RST38h> Would be interesting to see how many update it will take to fix this one
Apr 06 18:23:34 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Shit, all the gears in my N900 just wore out!
Apr 06 18:23:51 <RST38h> Gadgetoid: No wonder, they are all made of wood.
Apr 06 18:24:24 <Gadgetoid_mbp> RST38h: 65nm wooden gears? that's some serious engineering
Apr 06 18:24:30 <noobmonk3y> lol!
Apr 06 18:26:49 <Arkenoi> http://www.screenshotdumpster.com/img/m7Gbd57252/4494088129_9b62ba7b1f_b.jpg
Apr 06 18:27:23 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: Did you happen to see anywhere that is accessible without pulling it apart that is a way to cause a drain directly across the battery - to connect a - say - 34R resistor across bat
Apr 06 18:27:28 <noobmonk3y> lmfao
Apr 06 18:27:31 <RST38h> Arkenoi: Is that Godzilla's? =)
Apr 06 18:27:36 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizerpost-shunt
Apr 06 18:27:38 <noobmonk3y> really? 1700mhz!
Apr 06 18:28:05 <SpeedEvil> Arken: you need to turn on 802.11n too
Apr 06 18:28:22 <ShadowJK> noobmonk3y, I saw a screenshot where it said ">9000MHz". I laughed.
Apr 06 18:28:30 <noobmonk3y> lol!!!! ShadowJK ;)
Apr 06 18:29:06 <Gadgetoid_mbp> I herd u liek megahertz so I overclock ur nokia and it accidentally melted
Apr 06 18:29:15 <noobmonk3y> ?
Apr 06 18:29:19 <pupnik> looks like A9 will be more a 2011 thing
Apr 06 18:29:27 <SpeedEvil> I want A10.
Apr 06 18:29:38 <ShadowJK> I want rainbows
Apr 06 18:29:42 <SpeedEvil> As long as it has the cannon, and the high survivability armour.
Apr 06 18:29:43 <Mousey> i want unicorns!
Apr 06 18:29:45 <noobmonk3y> scares me in that screenshot, 1 process running, yet at 1700mhz........
Apr 06 18:30:01 <SpeedEvil> The process should be pulseaudio
Apr 06 18:30:05 <noobmonk3y> lol yeah
Apr 06 18:30:16 <noobmonk3y> joikuspot gives pulse a run for it's hertz ;)
Apr 06 18:30:27 <noobmonk3y> mine is humming away next to me :D
Apr 06 18:30:57 <noobmonk3y> lo MohammadAG
Apr 06 18:32:30 <noobmonk3y> ~ping
Apr 06 18:32:31 <infobot> ~pong
Apr 06 18:33:49 <Jef91> So I pinpointed one of the apps eating up all my rootfs
Apr 06 18:33:51 <Jef91> abiword
Apr 06 18:34:09 <Jef91> Where do I go to file a bug report for that? It shouldn't be in extras if it is doing that >.<
Apr 06 18:34:10 <pupnik> oh?  how Jef91
Apr 06 18:34:51 <andre__> Jef91, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/abiword/ ?
Apr 06 18:34:59 <ptl_demands_PR12> I did a maemo-optify-deb with it and it worked, Jef91
Apr 06 18:35:04 <ptl_demands_PR12> it was just not optified
Apr 06 18:35:34 <Jef91> ptl_demands_PR12 you have a copy of that .deb you could send me? I'd like an optifieyd version
Apr 06 18:36:05 <Jef91> What is the repos that has like wget and nano and such in it again? Just reflashed my n900
Apr 06 18:38:05 <ptl_demands_PR12> lemme see
Apr 06 18:38:42 * noobmonk3y is tired..... might go for a relaxing swim :D
Apr 06 18:39:33 <ptl_demands_PR12> Jef91: no, but I'll redownload, reoptify and send it to you
Apr 06 18:40:41 <Jef91> Thanks ptl_demands_PR12! jeffhoogland@gmail.com if you'd be so kind to send it to :)
Apr 06 18:41:09 <ptl_demands_PR12> can I send through dcc send? (IRC file transfer)
Apr 06 18:41:21 <Jef91> yea that works as well
Apr 06 18:41:26 <Jef91> I think xchat supports that
Apr 06 18:42:01 <ptl_demands_PR12> it does. :)
Apr 06 18:43:40 <ptl_demands_PR12> sending!
Apr 06 18:44:11 <m_abs> Hey. I hope I can get some quick help. I've install beneath a steel sky on my N900 from the extra-devel repository. On the PC I need to right click on something to pick it up in the beginning, how do I do the same on the N900?
Apr 06 18:44:24 <RST38h> keyboard?
Apr 06 18:48:15 <nidO> ~curse php
Apr 06 18:48:16 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, php !
Apr 06 18:48:34 <m_abs> RST38h, Which key?
Apr 06 18:50:12 <Arkenoi> m_abs: i successfully picked objects by long press but i failed to go any further, say, applying objects
Apr 06 18:50:16 <ptl_demands_PR12> m_abs: shift+stylus, according to google
Apr 06 18:50:26 <Arkenoi> ah
Apr 06 18:50:35 <javispedro> arggggh
Apr 06 18:50:40 <Scelt> ptl_demands_PR12: PR12 out?!?
Apr 06 18:50:48 <javispedro> arrrrrrrrrgh
Apr 06 18:50:54 <ptl_demands_PR12> m_abs: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44908
Apr 06 18:51:03 <ptl_demands_PR12> Scelt: no, that's why I am still demanding :)
Apr 06 18:51:15 * javispedro javispedro_demands_ptl_shortens_his_nick
Apr 06 18:51:28 <javispedro> :P
Apr 06 18:51:28 <Scelt> ptl_demands_PR12: ;D
Apr 06 18:51:34 * ptl_demands_PR12 will it javispedro magically makes PR1.2 be released!!
Apr 06 18:55:46 <m_abs> ptl_demands_PR12, thanks. Don't understand how I missed that :)
Apr 06 18:58:38 <m_abs> Arkenoi, Using objects is easy. Just move the mouse cursor to the top of the screen and select the object from the menu that appears.
Apr 06 19:00:00 <m_abs> Now if could only figure out how to save :)
Apr 06 19:02:16 <m_abs> Ahh, shift+enter = esc
Apr 06 19:02:57 <javispedro> oooooooh
Apr 06 19:03:11 <RST38h> kinda counterintuitive
Apr 06 19:03:29 <javispedro> ~curse singletons
Apr 06 19:03:30 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, singletons !
Apr 06 19:03:43 <javispedro> and specially "interesting" one-liner ways of unsafely implementing them!
Apr 06 19:04:10 <RST38h> javispedro: Somebody has been smoking Programming Patterns book again?
Apr 06 19:04:39 <m_abs> Sound like a fun use of programming pattern books
Apr 06 19:04:45 <javispedro> static Klass get_the_instance() { static Klass the_instance; return the_instance; }
Apr 06 19:05:00 <RST38h> ahhahaha
Apr 06 19:05:13 <javispedro> seems to work in gcc4
Apr 06 19:05:37 <javispedro> but fails miserably in gcc3, where the compiler seems to be "Not smart enough" in which object file to allocate the_instance
Apr 06 19:05:47 <RST38h> well, no immediate reason why it should not
Apr 06 19:05:47 <javispedro> *to decide in which object file..
Apr 06 19:06:07 <javispedro> static function, it's present on a header file
Apr 06 19:06:10 <RST38h> this one is not immediate ;)
Apr 06 19:06:21 <javispedro> gets inlined into all other compilation unit
Apr 06 19:06:22 <javispedro> s
Apr 06 19:06:44 <RST38h> maybe they intended it to get inlined
Apr 06 19:07:22 <javispedro> yeah, but then someone has to decide which compilation unit runs the_instance constructor, for one
Apr 06 19:08:30 <javispedro> come to think of it, I kinda remember that gcc4 replaces that with a "static Klass *the_instance; if (!the_instance) new Klass;" idiom
Apr 06 19:08:45 * javispedro should do that
Apr 06 19:10:10 <javispedro> aha, that seems to work.
Apr 06 19:11:06 <ptl_demands_PR12> I failed to compile google chrome in scratchbox :/
Apr 06 19:11:39 * javispedro decides then to scrap the build boost1.38 plan and just steal some of its header, since boost is still by now throwing linker errors to the console
Apr 06 19:12:38 <Jef91> How do I install a .deb with apt-get?
Apr 06 19:12:51 * RST38h doubts javispedro will just be able to take a header
Apr 06 19:13:38 * javispedro preventively takes a header and every similarly named one =)
Apr 06 19:13:52 <javispedro> s/a/the
Apr 06 19:14:02 <E0x> Jef91: dpkg -i package.deb
Apr 06 19:14:10 <E0x> is the way of install a deb
Apr 06 19:14:36 <Jef91> E0x any way to make it automatically install all the dependacies?
Apr 06 19:15:25 <b-man|ubuntu> Jef91: you have to install dependencies by hand with dpkg
Apr 06 19:15:46 <noobmonk3y> Anyone know of any good examples of QprogressDialog in pyqt?
Apr 06 19:15:51 <Jef91> b-man|ubuntu thats what I thought, is there some thing I can use to auto get them?
Apr 06 19:16:02 <ptl_demands_PR12> hexen II ported to the N900, nice :)
Apr 06 19:16:07 <b-man|ubuntu> Jef91: apt-get perhaps?
Apr 06 19:16:49 <Jef91> b-man|ubuntu apt-get will install from a .deb?
Apr 06 19:17:34 <pupnik> dpkig -i filename.deb
Apr 06 19:17:36 <ptl_demands_PR12> you use apt-get to install the dependencies, then dpkg -i the .deb
Apr 06 19:17:46 <pupnik> dpkg -i filename.deb
Apr 06 19:17:47 <javispedro> aha, nothing better than gizmodo calling the n810 a "sad previous tablet effort from Nokia".
Apr 06 19:18:01 * b-man|ubuntu stabs gizmodo
Apr 06 19:18:17 <Jef91> ptl_demands_PR12 Yea yea I was just wondering if I could be lazy and not have to type out all those depens by hand on the n900 keyboard
Apr 06 19:18:43 <b-man|ubuntu> ~burn gizmodo
Apr 06 19:18:44 * infobot pours gasoline all over gizmodo, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze
Apr 06 19:18:53 <b-man|ubuntu> >:D
Apr 06 19:19:00 <SpeedEvil> http://www.screenshotdumpster.com/img/m7Gbd57252/4494088129_9b62ba7b1f_b.jpg - what is the red indication int he systray?
Apr 06 19:19:29 <E0x> Jef91: dpkg -I package.deb
Apr 06 19:19:39 <javispedro> SpeedEvil: busy in telepathy
Apr 06 19:20:02 <E0x> Jef91: that will give you the info of the package
Apr 06 19:20:09 <E0x> and with hope the dep list
Apr 06 19:20:23 <E0x> so copy the dep list , apt-get install (paste_deb_list)
Apr 06 19:20:29 <E0x> then dpkg -i package.deb
Apr 06 19:20:29 <microlith> SpeedEvil: isn't that the "do not disturb" icon for user status?
Apr 06 19:21:12 <mece> so did he really run it on 1700Mhz?
Apr 06 19:21:23 <b-man|ubuntu> hmm, installing x11 on fedora12 takes a __long__ time xP
Apr 06 19:21:25 <javispedro> want to see mine at 37Thz?
Apr 06 19:21:31 <lcuk> its the "Hold my beer for a minute, I've got something to show you" electronic darwin award indicator
Apr 06 19:21:44 <ptl_demands_PR12> 1700 MHz?????????????????????????????????
Apr 06 19:21:48 <mece> lol
Apr 06 19:21:49 <b-man|ubuntu> javispedro: no 100Yhz :D
Apr 06 19:22:46 <korhojoa> i'm highly doubting 1700, considering many have hit a limit at 1050-1200
Apr 06 19:22:56 <javispedro> RST38h: you were wrong, I won! half a megabyte of "imported" headers.
Apr 06 19:22:56 <mece> yeah..
Apr 06 19:23:14 <b-man|ubuntu> hmm, i think at 100Yhz you'd be warping space and time xD
Apr 06 19:23:48 <SpeedEvil> korhojoa: it's the cooling system that makes it possible.
Apr 06 19:23:58 <SpeedEvil> korhojoa: And the special 12V battery.
Apr 06 19:24:28 <Zeddy> anyhows is 900MHz stable?
Apr 06 19:24:46 <noobmonk3y_> hmmmmmmmm
Apr 06 19:24:54 <SpeedEvil> Zeddy: yes, but only with the system turned upside down
Apr 06 19:25:04 <Zeddy> thats cool, i can live with that
Apr 06 19:25:10 <b-man|ubuntu> lol
Apr 06 19:25:11 <noobmonk3y_> SpeedEvil,  you meant to say, yes, only on PR1.3 ;)
Apr 06 19:25:22 <RST38h> javispedro: half a megabyte? isn't this a pretty big chunk of boost?
Apr 06 19:25:37 <javispedro> boost is around 40 MiB, gzipped
Apr 06 19:25:38 <mece> Zeddy, apparently it can be, but it supposedly eats away life expectancy at a big rate, probably.
Apr 06 19:25:50 <mece> boost is pretty big.
Apr 06 19:25:58 <mece> but how big is the boost?
Apr 06 19:25:59 <javispedro>  35M boost1.38.orig.tar.gz :P
Apr 06 19:26:38 <b-man|ubuntu> <ignorant question> what is boost?
Apr 06 19:26:48 <javispedro> a pain in the ass, so far.
Apr 06 19:26:50 <pupnik> yeah.
Apr 06 19:26:57 <b-man|ubuntu> heh
Apr 06 19:27:10 <mece> b-man|ubuntu, it's this: http://www.boost.org/
Apr 06 19:27:17 <b-man|ubuntu> ah
Apr 06 19:27:17 <javispedro> i'm sure there has to be some platform where it works...
Apr 06 19:27:30 <javispedro> probably far, far away from maemo :)
Apr 06 19:27:32 <b-man|ubuntu> ahhh
Apr 06 19:27:33 <mece> hmm I'm building lordsawar atm, and it uses boost.
Apr 06 19:27:43 <b-man|ubuntu> i've seen that site before
Apr 06 19:27:51 <b-man|ubuntu> WebOS uses boost
Apr 06 19:28:19 <mece> b-man|ubuntu, mind your language
Apr 06 19:28:29 <mece> ;)
Apr 06 19:28:59 <b-man|ubuntu> rofl
Apr 06 19:29:57 <javispedro> to be fair it seems to work in fremantle...
Apr 06 19:30:41 <RST38h> javispedro: Somebody should kill these people with extreme prejudice
Apr 06 19:31:09 <RST38h> javispedro: Preferably BEFORE Boost hits 100MB and gets included into the C++ standard
Apr 06 19:31:39 <javispedro> hey, maybe they want to beat java and .net at that game :)
Apr 06 19:32:12 <mece> is there java for debian arm?
Apr 06 19:32:17 <b-man|ubuntu> yup
Apr 06 19:33:07 <mece> ok good. My boss wants me to implement some knowledge mobilization system that's written in java. Scary.
Apr 06 19:33:12 <andre__> Jalimo?
Apr 06 19:38:49 <b-man|ubuntu> installing Gnome in f12 is going to be a nightmare, considering it's taking 4 hours to install x11 :/
Apr 06 19:39:05 <javispedro> if you're using a vm and yum, give it more ram...
Apr 06 19:39:20 <b-man|ubuntu> i'm doing this on my N900 xD
Apr 06 19:39:31 <javispedro> then add copious swap...
Apr 06 19:42:38 <Tuxprobe> javispedro how about using the 80% implemented methods of boost through glib? :)
Apr 06 19:42:52 <b-man|ubuntu> i think part of the issue is that 'yum groupinstall Base-X' installs a s*it load of unneeded packages
Apr 06 19:43:39 <javispedro> Tuxprobe: a good idea, but I want to minimize work, not do a PhD :)
Apr 06 19:44:13 <Arkenoi> wow. accoring to price.ru there are n900's in Moscow for sale for $500-
Apr 06 19:44:42 <b-man|ubuntu> i've seen them for $440.00
Apr 06 19:45:01 <mortal> wow
Apr 06 19:45:27 <Arkenoi> whille official price being close to $850
Apr 06 19:46:10 <DocScrutinizer> b-man: for ubuntu, see http://xkcd.com/424/
Apr 06 19:46:52 <b-man|ubuntu> rofl xDDD
Apr 06 19:47:38 <DocScrutinizer> ~ubuntu b-man
Apr 06 19:47:39 * infobot lovingly explains to b-man in a way that causes b-man to weep with gratitude that b-man must read the fine, friendly manual
Apr 06 19:48:01 <DocScrutinizer> if that's what you want :-P
Apr 06 19:52:03 <Tuxprobe> https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=5385
Apr 06 19:57:53 <b-man|ubuntu> hmm, my swap/ram usage is almost completely synchronized: Ram: 149.03mb Swap: 149.06mb
Apr 06 20:09:04 * noobmonk3y waves
Apr 06 20:10:19 <noobmonk3y> w00t_, are you alive? :D
Apr 06 20:10:24 <w00t_> yup
Apr 06 20:10:28 <w00t_> for various values of alive
Apr 06 20:10:42 <noobmonk3y> ahaaaaaaa does the QprogressDialog work in pyqt? :D
Apr 06 20:10:54 <noobmonk3y> can't find a sane example anywhere :|
Apr 06 20:11:10 <ptl_demands_PR12> hey noobmonk3y
Apr 06 20:11:16 <ptl_demands_PR12> how was the N900 meeting?
Apr 06 20:11:16 <noobmonk3y> hey ptl_demands_PR12  :D :D
Apr 06 20:11:16 <w00t_> I don't know, I'd suspect so.. but if it's Maemo specific you're probably better off using the busy indicator
Apr 06 20:11:20 <w00t_> as it feels more natural
Apr 06 20:11:23 <noobmonk3y> it was great! have you seen the vids?
Apr 06 20:11:27 <ptl_demands_PR12> no...
Apr 06 20:11:29 <ptl_demands_PR12> where?
Apr 06 20:11:31 <ptl_demands_PR12> got better?
Apr 06 20:11:42 <noobmonk3y> trying to get it to load up on load w00t_  as i have 10 secs+  of todo's
Apr 06 20:12:21 <noobmonk3y> liqflow example = here http://pixelpipe.com/item/beb29681-2...0-4c16572e215c
Apr 06 20:12:32 <w00t_> noobmonk3y: setAttribute(Qt.WA_Maemo5ShowProgressIndicator, true) on your main window or whatever
Apr 06 20:12:35 <noobmonk3y> and peoples video = here http://pixelpipe.com/item/33a3666d-4...8-1a3afa167ff5 (Me at the end)
Apr 06 20:12:48 <frals> noobmonk3y: that link sucks ;)
Apr 06 20:12:50 <w00t_> noobmonk3y: both removed btw
Apr 06 20:12:50 <noobmonk3y> hmmm will give it a go now, thankee :D
Apr 06 20:12:50 <w00t_> :P
Apr 06 20:12:58 <noobmonk3y> frals, the world sucks
Apr 06 20:13:04 <w00t_> frals++
Apr 06 20:13:05 <noobmonk3y> removed?
Apr 06 20:13:12 <w00t_> The requested item has been removed by the user.
Apr 06 20:13:13 <frals> as in, its been cut off in the middle
Apr 06 20:13:18 <noobmonk3y> pants
Apr 06 20:13:19 <frals> http://pixelpipe.com/item/33a3666d-4...8-1a3afa167ff5
Apr 06 20:13:19 <w00t_> x2 for both those links
Apr 06 20:13:22 <noobmonk3y> let me shortify em
Apr 06 20:13:23 <w00t_> oh!
Apr 06 20:13:24 <w00t_> I see
Apr 06 20:13:25 <w00t_> :P
Apr 06 20:13:37 * w00t_ long since gave up looking at the links he clicks on
Apr 06 20:13:43 <ptl_demands_PR12> noobmonk3y: The requested item has been removed by the user.
Apr 06 20:13:58 <noobmonk3y> lols
Apr 06 20:14:03 <noobmonk3y> 1 sec just getting em
Apr 06 20:14:44 <ptl_demands_PR12> ok
Apr 06 20:14:45 <noobmonk3y> http://pixelpipe.com/item/33a3666d-4abb-40bc-8568-1a3afa167ff5 - better? peoples one
Apr 06 20:14:58 <noobmonk3y> http://pixelpipe.com/item/beb29681-21e4-4b54-9110-4c16572e215c - liqflow one
Apr 06 20:15:08 <ptl_demands_PR12> #N900 meetup people!
Apr 06 20:15:09 <ptl_demands_PR12> worked
Apr 06 20:15:12 <noobmonk3y> yay!
Apr 06 20:16:27 <w00t_> noobmonk3y: is that from the recent meetup?
Apr 06 20:16:33 <noobmonk3y> yeah today :D
Apr 06 20:16:42 <w00t_> today? hm, didn't know about that
Apr 06 20:16:43 <w00t_> :p
Apr 06 20:16:52 <noobmonk3y> posted about it in tmo :P and was on here during it ;)
Apr 06 20:17:04 <w00t_> where was it at?
Apr 06 20:17:09 <noobmonk3y> Exeter :P
Apr 06 20:17:12 <noobmonk3y> so Kathy could get there
Apr 06 20:17:18 <w00t_> blargh, I wish I'd known
Apr 06 20:17:21 <noobmonk3y> as she lives in the sticks at the far end of cornwall
Apr 06 20:17:26 <w00t_> I'd have probably come down
Apr 06 20:17:30 <noobmonk3y> awwwww
Apr 06 20:17:36 <noobmonk3y> woulda been great to have you there
Apr 06 20:17:40 <nidO> that liqflow vid's pretty nifty
Apr 06 20:17:47 <noobmonk3y> i came from my hols in minehead, zail(liza) came from bristol
Apr 06 20:17:50 <noobmonk3y> :D
Apr 06 20:18:00 <noobmonk3y> and alex lives near exeter ;D
Apr 06 20:18:03 * w00t_ is (still) stuck up in hull
Apr 06 20:18:08 <noobmonk3y> wow, long way away
Apr 06 20:18:09 <nidO> lies, im miles from there :(
Apr 06 20:18:10 <Stskeeps> s/hull/hell/
Apr 06 20:18:12 <w00t_> ^
Apr 06 20:18:17 <mece> noobmonk3y, hm is that supposed to be a video?
Apr 06 20:18:23 <noobmonk3y> mece, which ones?
Apr 06 20:18:25 <w00t_> brik: hurry up and finish university so we can move
Apr 06 20:18:28 <noobmonk3y> 2 first links failed
Apr 06 20:18:39 <brik> :P
Apr 06 20:19:10 <w00t_> :o
Apr 06 20:19:11 <w00t_> she speaks
Apr 06 20:19:18 <mece> none of them work for me..
Apr 06 20:19:41 <noobmonk3y> Hmmmmmmmm
Apr 06 20:19:44 <nidO> you do need shitty quicktime installed
Apr 06 20:19:52 <noobmonk3y> meh meh meh
Apr 06 20:19:56 <noobmonk3y> not my choice, was pixelpipe
Apr 06 20:20:09 <noobmonk3y> does the web page load mece? just not the vid?
Apr 06 20:20:17 <mece> yep.
Apr 06 20:20:27 <noobmonk3y> w00t_, MainWindow.setAttribute(Qt.WA_Maemo5ShowProgressIndicator, True) - doesnt work, well doesnt like the qt part
Apr 06 20:20:37 <w00t_> noobmonk3y: what's it do?
Apr 06 20:21:01 <mece> noobmonk3y, I get stream contains no data. Oh well.
Apr 06 20:21:17 <noobmonk3y> :| :| :|
Apr 06 20:21:25 <noobmonk3y> Qt is not defined
Apr 06 20:22:14 <petteri> hypnotic video :)
Apr 06 20:22:58 <noobmonk3y> mece, http://www.flickr.com/photos/7693079@N03/4497288136/
Apr 06 20:23:08 <noobmonk3y> and http://www.flickr.com/photos/7693079@N03/4497224032/
Apr 06 20:23:28 <noobmonk3y> no idea if they work
Apr 06 20:23:56 <mece> lovely!
Apr 06 20:24:41 <nidO> rather better than pixelpipe :p
Apr 06 20:24:49 <noobmonk3y> lol
Apr 06 20:24:53 <mece> Who's the punk?
Apr 06 20:25:01 <noobmonk3y> ironically doesnt work for me ;)
Apr 06 20:25:37 <noobmonk3y> punk is Alex - imprezwift
Apr 06 20:25:58 <noobmonk3y> the other two are revdkathy (Kathy) and Zail(Liza)
Apr 06 20:26:03 <noobmonk3y> and me :D
Apr 06 20:26:35 <rm_you> noobmonk3y: wait where are you in those videos?
Apr 06 20:26:48 <noobmonk3y> last guy (Was holding the camera/phone)
Apr 06 20:27:10 <rm_you> are you in  bar/club?
Apr 06 20:27:15 <rm_you> *a
Apr 06 20:27:18 <noobmonk3y> pub in the middle of nowhere :P
Apr 06 20:27:19 <mece> right this has sound.. Right turning off Immolation.
Apr 06 20:27:25 <noobmonk3y> MohammadAG,  you yoyo
Apr 06 20:27:26 <rm_you> noobmonk3y: whats it called? Bays?
Apr 06 20:27:26 <mece> hee
Apr 06 20:27:29 <noobmonk3y> lol mece
Apr 06 20:27:32 <mece> Kathy <3
Apr 06 20:27:35 <noobmonk3y> noobmonk3y, The Poachers
Apr 06 20:27:42 <rm_you> noobmonk3y: it looks SO familiar
Apr 06 20:27:43 <noobmonk3y> meh
Apr 06 20:27:45 <noobmonk3y> rm_you, Poachers
Apr 06 20:27:47 <rm_you> ah
Apr 06 20:27:49 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, hey, PM me the stuff you sent me earlier, had some router issues (GRRRRR)
Apr 06 20:27:50 <rm_you> ok
Apr 06 20:27:51 <noobmonk3y> its in a place call ide i think
Apr 06 20:28:01 <mece> who's number 4? (counting the dog) I didn't get that name
Apr 06 20:28:21 <rm_you> was just wondering if there was a whole group of n900 users meeting in the pub down the street from me and I didnt even know :P
Apr 06 20:28:35 <MohammadAG> yay low battery ding
Apr 06 20:28:36 <MohammadAG> twice
Apr 06 20:28:47 <noobmonk3y> lol
Apr 06 20:28:52 <noobmonk3y> Zail / Liza
Apr 06 20:29:02 <noobmonk3y> rm_you, exeter?
Apr 06 20:30:08 <noobmonk3y> posted about the meet on 27th March :) - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48471
Apr 06 20:30:15 <mece> MohammadAG, I like those over excited double low battery dings
Apr 06 20:30:23 <ptl_demands_PR12> why liqflow videos always show N900's side-by-side? Is there some connectivity going on or it's just for the sake of countin devices?
Apr 06 20:30:38 * mece was wondering the same... 'bout liqflow
Apr 06 20:30:45 <noobmonk3y> ptl_demands_PR12, no connectivity, just looks cool :D
Apr 06 20:30:55 <noobmonk3y> you can make them look connected :D
Apr 06 20:31:00 <noobmonk3y> ie, like we did
Apr 06 20:31:09 <MohammadAG> mece, they annoy me, it's like they're doing it on purpose
Apr 06 20:31:18 <mece> does liqflow react to sound?
Apr 06 20:31:31 <noobmonk3y> yeah :)
Apr 06 20:31:34 <mece> nice.
Apr 06 20:31:40 <noobmonk3y> thats why i was over enthusiastically hitting the table
Apr 06 20:31:45 <mece> lol
Apr 06 20:31:46 <noobmonk3y> it also responds to movement
Apr 06 20:31:54 <mece> how does it respond to blastbeats?
Apr 06 20:31:55 <nidO> er, it reacts to sound?
Apr 06 20:31:59 <nidO> when was that added?
Apr 06 20:31:59 <ptl_demands_PR12> What I don't like about liqflow is that it always make my screen appear scratched.
Apr 06 20:32:07 <mece> I thought it was accelerometer
Apr 06 20:32:08 <noobmonk3y> nidO,  i screamed and it went nuts at me
Apr 06 20:32:10 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, does it shoot lasers yet?
Apr 06 20:32:12 <MohammadAG> :P
Apr 06 20:32:15 <nidO> mece: ditto
Apr 06 20:32:23 <noobmonk3y> MohammadAG,  - not sure, may try when PR 13 comes out
Apr 06 20:32:33 <MohammadAG> 13.1?
Apr 06 20:32:37 <noobmonk3y> ;)
Apr 06 20:32:49 <ptl_demands_PR12> it will shoot lasers using the IR emitter, isn't it?
Apr 06 20:33:25 <noobmonk3y> :P
Apr 06 20:33:26 <ptl_demands_PR12> someone will find how to overpower it and change the frequency to a visible one, and also will find a way to polarize and concentrate it.
Apr 06 20:33:40 <mece> you could just switch out the flash leds to lasers I suppose..
Apr 06 20:34:13 <mece> using these "lasers" we will punch a hole through the ozone layer...
Apr 06 20:34:36 <ptl_demands_PR12> flash is too obvious :)
Apr 06 20:34:39 <MohammadAG> ptl_demands_PR12, no, it will reverse engineer the proximity sensor, the IR sensor, and the camera sensor
Apr 06 20:34:57 <noobmonk3y> anyway, twas a good meet
Apr 06 20:35:02 <noobmonk3y> but i better get to the pub ;)
Apr 06 20:35:16 <noobmonk3y> w00t_, btw error was Qt is not defined
Apr 06 20:35:57 * DocScrutinizer shoots noobmonk3y's ass with his 150mW green laser
Apr 06 20:36:03 <ptl_demands_PR12> wow
Apr 06 20:36:05 * noobmonk3y farts n goes to the pub
Apr 06 20:36:07 * MohammadAG wants that for a day
Apr 06 20:36:08 <noobmonk3y> back laters!
Apr 06 20:36:15 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, you're gonna implode
Apr 06 20:36:22 <MohammadAG> :P
Apr 06 20:36:23 <noobmonk3y> after a pint hopefully
Apr 06 20:36:24 <mece> i want 150MW instead.
Apr 06 20:36:28 <ptl_demands_PR12> good pub to you
Apr 06 20:36:30 <DocScrutinizer> noobmonk3y: beware, I'll wait for you there
Apr 06 20:36:35 <MohammadAG> mece, that's an overkill :P
Apr 06 20:36:35 <noobmonk3y> yay!
Apr 06 20:36:44 <noobmonk3y> oooo 1.98 mb/s on the n900
Apr 06 20:36:46 <ptl_demands_PR12> mece: how do you plan to carry the battery of such a device?
Apr 06 20:36:51 <noobmonk3y> nice :D
Apr 06 20:36:57 <DocScrutinizer> noobmonk3y: btw my laser ignited your fart
Apr 06 20:37:09 <mece> ptl_demands_PR12, I plan to hook it up to a nuclear power plant
Apr 06 20:37:16 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, you're gonna implode
Apr 06 20:37:57 <mece> I plan to have 10 of them, and hook them up to this one: http://www.power-technology.com/projects/Olkiluoto/
Apr 06 20:38:08 <MohammadAG> lol a friend wants to overclock to 1.2GHz
Apr 06 20:38:09 <ptl_demands_PR12> mece: a MOBILE power plant?
Apr 06 20:38:27 <DocScrutinizer> mece: such are chemical powered units usually. H2 + F2 is frequently used
Apr 06 20:39:02 <ptl_demands_PR12> what about that photo with 1.7GHz overlock?
Apr 06 20:39:20 <MohammadAG> ptl_demands_PR12, photoshopped/gimped :P
Apr 06 20:39:53 <ptl_demands_PR12> or maybe it's just a picture of the conky screen with the 600 part changed to 1700
Apr 06 20:40:09 <ptl_demands_PR12> it's easier than photo-gimp-shopping
Apr 06 20:40:37 <mece> gimped. Such a great word. Soooo much better than "photoshopped"
Apr 06 20:41:23 <ptl_demands_PR12> it's shorter anyway
Apr 06 20:41:46 <ptl_demands_PR12> but it doesn't have 'photo' in it, so it doesn't reveal the nature of the verb up front.
Apr 06 20:41:56 <DocScrutinizer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HF_laser
Apr 06 20:41:57 <mece> but it has "gimp" in it :D
Apr 06 20:43:32 <ptl_demands_PR12> there's a wikipedia entry for GIMPing
Apr 06 20:43:33 <ptl_demands_PR12> lol
Apr 06 20:43:50 <ptl_demands_PR12> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIMPing
Apr 06 20:44:18 <MohammadAG> ptl_demands_PR12, I knew it was a word! :P
Apr 06 20:47:14 <DocScrutinizer> ptl_demands_PR12: so the question isn't 'which battery', rather you need some pressurized gas containers
Apr 06 20:56:50 <ptl_demands_PR12> DocScrutinizer-8: not me, mece needs it :P
Apr 06 20:57:12 <mece> I want these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_High_Energy_Laser
Apr 06 20:57:23 * MohammadAG wants PR1.2 :P
Apr 06 20:57:51 <MohammadAG> (don't care about the features, I got bored of compiling sources using a PR1.1.1 SDK to use them)
Apr 06 20:58:36 <Stskeeps> JamieBennett: you got a joggler too? :)
Apr 06 20:58:45 <JamieBennett> lol, yes
Apr 06 20:58:50 <JamieBennett> twitter ?
Apr 06 20:58:54 <Stskeeps> JamieBennett: saw my guides how to hack it to bits and pieces?
Apr 06 20:58:55 <Stskeeps> yeah
Apr 06 20:59:18 <JamieBennett> just looked at the telnet hack, doesn't work for me atm
Apr 06 20:59:23 <Stskeeps> http://jogglerhacks.blogspot.com/
Apr 06 20:59:29 <Stskeeps> i'm sure you'll find that useful :)
Apr 06 20:59:39 <JamieBennett> maybe my sd card or partitioning scheme?
Apr 06 20:59:58 <JamieBennett> been reading your blog :)
Apr 06 21:01:51 <JamieBennett> Stskeeps: without wanting to change the subject of this channel, do you know why/why not certain SD cards/USB sticks work with the joggler?
Apr 06 21:02:05 <Stskeeps> not sure, i haven't met one yet
Apr 06 21:02:13 <mece> hey people who knows things about penguins, how do I open a remote file over ssh in gedit from commandline?
Apr 06 21:02:38 <mece> ssh:// or something?
Apr 06 21:03:06 <JamieBennett> Stskeeps: I have a 16GB SDHC card in a USB reader adapter but no luck :(
Apr 06 21:03:28 <Stskeeps> JamieBennett: does it show as USB mass storage?
Apr 06 21:04:12 <JamieBennett> Stskeeps: where? (just got the joggler today)
Apr 06 21:04:37 <Stskeeps> JamieBennett: well, USB reader adapter may appear as a mmc reader and not usb mass storage, which the EFI might not like
Apr 06 21:04:38 <mece> nvrmind, got it.
Apr 06 21:06:24 <JamieBennett> Stskeeps: UI is showing the 'USB' button lit in videos e.t.c and telling me 'no supported ...' are present on there so I would presume its seeing it but the telnet hack files I downloaded don't work. Do you have a link to something you use?
Apr 06 21:06:39 <Stskeeps> JamieBennett: ah, i have no idea about the original OS
Apr 06 21:06:53 <Stskeeps> i pretty much just installed Mer on it when i got it or other distributions :P
Apr 06 21:07:03 <JamieBennett> Stskeeps: ah :)
Apr 06 21:07:18 <Stskeeps> (it's first recently i really started hacking it, had it since december or so)
Apr 06 21:08:05 * JamieBennett got it today via a £50 offer :)
Apr 06 21:08:55 <nidO> a £50 offer?
Apr 06 21:09:16 <JamieBennett> nidO: The joggler is £50 in the UK for 2 weeks
Apr 06 21:09:29 <nidO> its £50 anyway, and has been for ages
Apr 06 21:09:49 <Stskeeps> was 99 before
Apr 06 21:09:57 <JamieBennett> nidO: Umm, in the UK O2 are discounting it for 2 weeks 'only'
Apr 06 21:10:34 <nidO> its been £49.99 for a while, I got one for my mum at the beginning of feb at that price
Apr 06 21:11:19 <JamieBennett> nidO: ah, I only saw it due to the promotion and though it would make a good 'hacking' device
Apr 06 21:12:22 <rm_you> wow, joggler looks neat
Apr 06 21:12:30 <rm_you> especially if it would run Mer :P
Apr 06 21:12:56 <rm_you> cept i would guess theres no chance of a US release or it working on US bands for my carrier :(
Apr 06 21:13:04 <Stskeeps> not mobile
Apr 06 21:13:08 <nidO> theres no bands
Apr 06 21:13:13 <nidO> it hooks up to wifi
Apr 06 21:13:14 <JamieBennett> rm_you: It runs Ubuntu Netbook which is far superior ;)
Apr 06 21:13:16 <nidO> and isnt mobile
Apr 06 21:13:17 <rm_you> oh, isn't O2 a cell provider?
Apr 06 21:13:24 <nidO> yes
Apr 06 21:13:27 <rm_you> ...
Apr 06 21:13:30 <nidO> joggler isnt a cell device tho
Apr 06 21:13:35 <rm_you> ooo.... k....
Apr 06 21:13:37 <rm_you> random
Apr 06 21:13:51 <rm_you> why is a cell company hawking a non cellular device?
Apr 06 21:13:54 <GAN900> Hey, rm_you
Apr 06 21:13:55 <rm_you> that doesnt even make sense
Apr 06 21:13:59 <rm_you> sup General
Apr 06 21:14:03 <JamieBennett> 6
Apr 06 21:14:06 <nidO> same reason most companies sell more than one thing?
Apr 06 21:14:09 <JamieBennett> doh
Apr 06 21:14:19 <Stskeeps> rm_you: services
Apr 06 21:14:26 <rm_you> yes but bagel companies don't sell office furniture >_>
Apr 06 21:14:32 <rm_you> >_>
Apr 06 21:14:33 <rm_you> <_<
Apr 06 21:14:37 <GAN900> rm_you, Ikea sells food.
Apr 06 21:14:41 <rm_you> GAN900: srsly?
Apr 06 21:14:48 <rm_you> like, food court?
Apr 06 21:14:55 <GAN900> They have restaurants, yeah
Apr 06 21:14:58 <rm_you> or, they sell groceries?
Apr 06 21:14:58 <rm_you> lol
Apr 06 21:15:00 <GAN900> and frozen food
Apr 06 21:15:02 <GAN900> both
Apr 06 21:15:03 <rm_you> erk
Apr 06 21:15:08 <rm_you> ok that makes no sense as well :P
Apr 06 21:15:17 <rm_you> then, wonder if i can get an O2 shipped here :P
Apr 06 21:15:21 <rm_you> err
Apr 06 21:15:23 <rm_you> O2 Joggler
Apr 06 21:15:25 <GAN900> eBay
Apr 06 21:15:40 <mece> some people think the iPad is a great. The world is just wrong that way.
Apr 06 21:15:53 <rm_you> wish i could put Mer on iPad :P
Apr 06 21:15:54 <JamieBennett> rm_you: The joggler can SMS and has an IMEI number, does that make it easier to understand why O2 did it?
Apr 06 21:16:02 <rm_you> JamieBennett: errrrrr WHAT>
Apr 06 21:16:09 <rm_you> how does a non-cell device get an IMEI?:
Apr 06 21:16:30 <rm_you> yes, though, it makes it easier if it has SMS built in
Apr 06 21:16:31 <rm_you> though
Apr 06 21:16:44 <JamieBennett> It has an IMEI
Apr 06 21:16:49 <JamieBennett> no voice but data
Apr 06 21:16:51 <rm_you> how does it SMS? i realize it can just go through a web gateway, but don't you need a phone number for other people to respond?
Apr 06 21:16:57 <rm_you> oh
Apr 06 21:16:57 <GAN900> rm_you's world is being shaken tonight
Apr 06 21:17:05 <rm_you> so...it DOES have a cell chip?
Apr 06 21:17:10 <JamieBennett> rm_you: yes
Apr 06 21:17:12 <rm_you> SIM card?
Apr 06 21:17:15 <rm_you> ok then...
Apr 06 21:17:18 <JamieBennett> no sim, build it
Apr 06 21:17:19 <rm_you> my previous statement:
Apr 06 21:17:27 <JamieBennett> built
Apr 06 21:17:32 <rm_you> "cept i would guess theres no chance of a US release or it working on US bands for my carrier :("
Apr 06 21:17:36 <rm_you> soooo
Apr 06 21:17:39 <rm_you> that is accurate then
Apr 06 21:17:47 <Stskeeps> no gsm chip
Apr 06 21:17:56 <Stskeeps> i use it in poland too :P
Apr 06 21:17:58 <rm_you> so it has a cell chip... that does data....
Apr 06 21:18:04 <rm_you> but... not on bands?
Apr 06 21:18:06 <rm_you> wtf
Apr 06 21:18:10 <JamieBennett> :)
Apr 06 21:18:33 <JamieBennett> It even has a telephone number that you can't ring :)
Apr 06 21:18:36 <rm_you> how does it connect to the cellular network
Apr 06 21:18:39 <mece> Stskeeps, are you polish?
Apr 06 21:18:41 <rm_you> without being on a "band"
Apr 06 21:18:43 * Jaffa assumed it was IP gatewayed
Apr 06 21:18:53 <Stskeeps> mece: no, married to one
Apr 06 21:18:57 <rm_you> but while having a cellular chip
Apr 06 21:19:00 <mece> Stskeeps, :)
Apr 06 21:19:41 * mece should go to poland again.
Apr 06 21:20:09 <rm_you> so you're telling me... you do not have to deal with a cellular network, but it gets cellular data and has a number somehow?
Apr 06 21:20:47 <nidO> no idea what anyone else is telling you as im semi afk, but it just sends messages through o2's web gateway
Apr 06 21:21:00 <nidO> via the wifi connection
Apr 06 21:21:09 <rm_you> so does it or does it not have a cellular chip in it?
Apr 06 21:21:13 <nidO> no
Apr 06 21:21:21 <rm_you> but it has an IMEI?
Apr 06 21:21:32 <nidO> not that I know
Apr 06 21:21:36 <rm_you> ok.
Apr 06 21:21:42 <JamieBennett> nidO: it has an IMEI
Apr 06 21:21:49 * JamieBennett goes to find out the links
Apr 06 21:22:06 <microlith> why would a device with no cellular radio have an IMEI?
Apr 06 21:22:22 <rm_you> microlith: thats what i'm trying to comprehend
Apr 06 21:22:38 <rm_you> from site: Get a 1/2 price Pay & Go Mobile Broadband dongle with the Joggler. Offer available at checkout
Apr 06 21:22:50 <rm_you> maybe it is with *that* it has an IMEI
Apr 06 21:22:53 <JamieBennett> first link http://forum.o2.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=19520&sid=e3531785b7c65296196f8fcc30e33a66
Apr 06 21:22:54 <rm_you> and celldata
Apr 06 21:23:01 <microlith> well in that case it'd be the dongle that has the IMEI
Apr 06 21:23:15 <microlith> although I would like one of these Jogglers, especially at the price they were asking
Apr 06 21:23:27 * lbt wonders if O2 *might* have a big system capable of accepting/sending SMSes and then sending them over IP to a client
Apr 06 21:24:07 <Stskeeps> lbt: cell networks are over ip internally anyway i guess
Apr 06 21:24:20 <rm_you> yeah, they are
Apr 06 21:24:40 <rm_you> i mean, you can email something like #######@tmomail.net and it sends to the ####### phone
Apr 06 21:24:46 <kynky> atm ?
Apr 06 21:24:50 <lbt> yeah - I'm sure the joggler SMS is all done over client/server to O2 systems
Apr 06 21:24:59 <rm_you> for tmobile numbers
Apr 06 21:25:13 <rm_you> it works for most other carriers too if you look up the right address
Apr 06 21:25:32 <rm_you> Openpeak looks interesting as well
Apr 06 21:25:38 <lbt> no, you enter a mobile #  into the joggler sw client. It sends it to O2 and they send it to the phone
Apr 06 21:25:48 <lbt> and you pay for that
Apr 06 21:26:23 * Jaffa 's Joggler box lists an IMEI.
Apr 06 21:26:26 <lbt> I'll guess they send the MAC during initial setup and get returned an IMEI
Apr 06 21:26:31 <microlith> rm_you: now if only openpeak would sell directly, and not just via carriers :/
Apr 06 21:26:36 <Jaffa> None on the device itself AFAICT
Apr 06 21:26:37 <lbt> or it could be done pre-shipping Jaffa
Apr 06 21:26:38 <JamieBennett> rm_you: O2 Joggler is rebranded OpenPeak
Apr 06 21:26:56 <rm_you> yeah, noticed on the forum, thats how i just found openpeak :P
Apr 06 21:27:02 <JamieBennett> :)
Apr 06 21:27:11 <rm_you> this stuff looks AMAZING
Apr 06 21:27:11 <lbt> Jaffa: you like?
Apr 06 21:27:16 <rm_you> omg with Mer or MeeGo on it....
Apr 06 21:27:22 * rm_you drools
Apr 06 21:27:56 <Jaffa> lbt: shiny, but will be nicer with as polished, but more open, OS
Apr 06 21:28:01 <rm_you> LOL their pic of someone holding the OpenTablet is SOOOOOO badly photoshopped
Apr 06 21:28:02 <lbt> Jaffa: heh
Apr 06 21:28:58 <rm_you> http://www.openpeak.com/images/OpenTablet/OpenTablet7Hands_593x428.jpg
Apr 06 21:29:02 <rm_you> look at the right hand
Apr 06 21:29:03 <rm_you> rofl
Apr 06 21:29:14 <rm_you> not to mention the colors/resolution of the tablet itself
Apr 06 21:29:22 <rm_you> that's rediculous
Apr 06 21:29:31 <rm_you> i could do better when i was in highschool
Apr 06 21:30:31 <mece> gimped! I can tell from the pixels!
Apr 06 21:30:36 <rm_you> lol
Apr 06 21:30:41 <mece> :)
Apr 06 21:31:04 <rm_you> thats not to say i don't WTF want one
Apr 06 21:31:06 <rm_you> but :P
Apr 06 21:31:08 <lbt> heh, looks like someone got confused by the table's cross-beam
Apr 06 21:32:00 <lbt> well, night all
Apr 06 21:40:50 * w00t_ has sexy, smooth list scrolling now, and is happy
Apr 06 21:42:55 <SpeedEvil1> how?
Apr 06 21:44:09 <w00t_> SpeedEvil1: what do you mean? :p
Apr 06 21:44:53 <SpeedEvil1> oh
Apr 06 21:54:57 <SpeedEvil> http://laughingsquid.com/a-2-5-year-old-uses-an-ipad-for-the-first-time/
Apr 06 22:09:34 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
Apr 06 22:13:19 <w00t_> noobmonk3y: try QtCore.Qt or something like that
Apr 06 22:13:21 <w00t_> btw
Apr 06 22:13:40 <noobmonk3y> w00t_, thankee, will try it now :D
Apr 06 22:13:53 <MohammadAG> oh noobmonk3y's back
Apr 06 22:13:55 <MohammadAG> o/
Apr 06 22:14:03 <noobmonk3y> hehe brb 2 mins
Apr 06 22:14:45 <w00t_> SpeedEvil: you got scratchbox and/or facebook btw?
Apr 06 22:19:32 <Pforce> eye got ogre 1.7 build for n900
Apr 06 22:19:43 <SpeedEvil> w00t_: no.
Apr 06 22:19:49 <w00t_> SpeedEvil: bah
Apr 06 22:19:52 <w00t_> you're no fun
Apr 06 22:21:36 <noobmonk3y> w00t_,  module has no attribute WA_Maemo5ShowProgressIndicator when i try to call self.setAttribute(QtCore.WA_Maemo5ShowProgressIndicator, True)
Apr 06 22:21:42 <noobmonk3y> should i remove the self?
Apr 06 22:21:49 <dmj726_n9001> ogre on maemo?
Apr 06 22:22:12 <Pforce> yup
Apr 06 22:22:24 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: at OM we had no such problems, as OM the inc offered a 14day DOA warranty only. For Nokia or if I were Nokia, I'd actually implement a logger into NOLO and flasher to break a virtual seal wheh a non-signed kernel is flashed to the device
Apr 06 22:22:31 <dmj726_n9001> gles 1.1?
Apr 06 22:22:50 <Pforce> trying to put this http://wiki.realxtend.org/index.php/Getting_Started_with_Naali
Apr 06 22:22:53 <Pforce> on the device
Apr 06 22:23:00 <Pforce> we use ogre and qt for the ui
Apr 06 22:23:09 <Pforce> yeah gles 1
Apr 06 22:23:18 <Pforce> seems that it needed libGLES_GM
Apr 06 22:23:30 <Pforce> so i installed libgles1 and got that
Apr 06 22:23:43 <dmj726_n9001> good to know we have ogre with 1.1 at the least.
Apr 06 22:24:01 <dmj726_n9001> think you might package it?
Apr 06 22:24:05 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: the mere though of that worries me. a lot :)
Apr 06 22:24:08 <Pforce> havent run nothing concreate yet
Apr 06 22:24:16 <Pforce> dmj726_n9001: i dont really know how :)
Apr 06 22:24:22 <w00t_> noobmonk3y: I'd assume it would be QtCore.Qt.WA_ ...
Apr 06 22:24:52 <Pforce> i get blank screen now, but the gles render system loads ok on ogre init
Apr 06 22:25:01 <Pforce> and can show main window
Apr 06 22:25:09 <Pforce> and nothing crashes :)
Apr 06 22:25:17 <Pforce> i just cant get inworld due i dont see our ui
Apr 06 22:25:35 <Pforce> which is another thing made with qt rendering to a image and we pass that to ogre to show
Apr 06 22:25:41 <Pforce> so basically qt has paintEvents off
Apr 06 22:25:56 <Pforce> not even bothered about that atm, would like to try login
Apr 06 22:27:19 <Pforce> shame that SDKs arm cant run the ui
Apr 06 22:27:28 <Pforce> would be alot simpler to run there and try to debug
Apr 06 22:27:34 <Pforce> than copying to the machine
Apr 06 22:27:47 <Pforce> i could build everything again in x86 but there is alot of deps
Apr 06 22:27:53 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: me as well :-(( But those overclocking idiots seem to force things into that direction
Apr 06 22:28:05 <Pforce> boost, poco, curl, pythonqt etc.
Apr 06 22:28:11 <Pforce> and ogre the foremost
Apr 06 22:28:26 <rm_you> Ogre is built for n900?
Apr 06 22:28:57 <noobmonk3y> w00t_, , getting there setAttribute(QtCore.Qt.WA_Maemo5ShowProgressIndicator, False) doesnt work, and self. ..... means MainWindow doesnt have that attribute, will play around with it in the morning :D
Apr 06 22:29:00 <Pforce> well, at least i built it :)
Apr 06 22:29:06 <Pforce> not that hard tbh
Apr 06 22:29:06 <rm_you> nice
Apr 06 22:29:14 <rm_you> can start porting my PyOgre app to n900 :P
Apr 06 22:29:14 <Pforce> some cmake modifications, googled a bit
Apr 06 22:29:17 <w00t_> noobmonk3y: any class that inherits QWidget has it
Apr 06 22:29:25 <Pforce> this one guy had got pretty far but stopped for some reason
Apr 06 22:29:29 <w00t_> so if MainWindow is a QMainWindow (or QWidget or something) it'll work
Apr 06 22:29:55 <Pforce> rm_you: no guarantee this shows anything, i get blank main window
Apr 06 22:30:01 <Pforce> could do some tests
Apr 06 22:30:16 <Pforce> but hopped to our big virtual world viewer project right away
Apr 06 22:30:18 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, so the retailers had the warranty risk then :)
Apr 06 22:30:26 <noobmonk3y> w00t_,  so in theory it should work with Main Window (self.centralwidget = QtGui.QWidget(MainWindow))
Apr 06 22:30:43 <noobmonk3y> :P
Apr 06 22:30:56 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: yep. And I always wondered how anybody could want to become a retailer
Apr 06 22:30:58 <w00t_> ask me tomorrow and I'll help you sort it I guess
Apr 06 22:31:02 <Pforce> your setting yourself as your central window
Apr 06 22:31:03 * w00t_ is working (again) atm
Apr 06 22:31:07 <Pforce> doesent seem right :)
Apr 06 22:31:26 <Wizzup> http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ I assume/hope kbdd also works with n900? :)
Apr 06 22:31:27 <ShadowJK> Yeah I want to use a kernel with connection tracking and other "harmless" stuff without voiding the warranty :/
Apr 06 22:31:57 <noobmonk3y> lol cheers w00t_  :D
Apr 06 22:31:59 <noobmonk3y> off to sleep, night alls :D
Apr 06 22:32:49 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: a simple history in a reserved nand partition isn't that evil
Apr 06 22:34:16 <ShadowJK> make the kernel flasher sha1sum the image, send that+imei and image for unknown kernels to nokia on flash? :P
Apr 06 22:34:40 <ShadowJK> then they can datamine when/if lots of dead devices arrive
Apr 06 22:34:51 <DocScrutinizer>  no way. you need to be able to flash when offline
Apr 06 22:36:29 <DocScrutinizer> just make the flasher write a uname -a plus md5 and a few other info to a logfile on a reserved partition, and sign the file
Apr 06 22:37:22 <DocScrutinizer> actually let NOLO do that
Apr 06 22:38:26 <DocScrutinizer> plus let kernel itself do that on 'tainted'
Apr 06 22:39:56 <DocScrutinizer> if you want to get fancy, store this info in modem's flash rather than main system NAND
Apr 06 22:40:19 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: shut up! there are nokia employees here >:)
Apr 06 22:40:27 <DocScrutinizer> hrhrrrhrr
Apr 06 22:40:31 <SpeedEvil> Or you just shake the phone on reception to see if the CPU has melted off the board, and is rattling round.
Apr 06 22:40:45 <DocScrutinizer> I'm *BAD* when I got to deal with idiocy
Apr 06 22:41:11 <SpeedEvil> I don't think anyone wants to see people screwing their phones, and then returning them.
Apr 06 22:41:18 <Ken-Young> Are there known cases of the overclockers killing their phones?
Apr 06 22:41:24 <SpeedEvil> Well - unless it's for reasons other than overclocking.
Apr 06 22:41:44 <ShadowJK> Ken-Young, too early
Apr 06 22:41:48 <SpeedEvil> Ken-Young: The datasheet seems to - for a part that seems analogous - say 20000 hours life at 600MHz
Apr 06 22:42:10 <SpeedEvil> Ken-Young: At 900MHz - it might be plausible that the life might be 5000 hours.
Apr 06 22:42:18 <javispedro> didn't someone also mention the magical "ubifs corruption" keywords?
Apr 06 22:42:38 <ShadowJK> lifetime drops in half for the 500 -> 600 overdrive iirc
Apr 06 22:42:48 <Ken-Young> SpeedEvil, But it probably depends on lots of things besides the chip itself.
Apr 06 22:42:58 <SpeedEvil> Ken-Young: actually probably not so much
Apr 06 22:43:14 <SpeedEvil> Ken-Young: chip, and voltage are about it for that case. Thermal environment too.
Apr 06 22:43:47 <Ken-Young> SpeedEvil, Really? I would have thought the environment around the chip would greatly effect how hot the chip ran when overclocked.
Apr 06 22:43:58 <DocScrutinizer> voltage current termal
Apr 06 22:44:00 <SpeedEvil> Ken-Young: it's not how it runs that is at issue.
Apr 06 22:44:16 <SpeedEvil> Ken-Young: It's internal wear in the chip caused by operation at higher frequency.
Apr 06 22:44:37 <SpeedEvil> Ken-Young: that over time results in an unstable chip.
Apr 06 22:45:13 <microlith> is there a reason that an OMAP at 1GHz would last for a shorter time than an Intel at the same speed?
Apr 06 22:45:14 <DocScrutinizer> it's like electrons corrode the chip
Apr 06 22:45:19 <Ken-Young> SpeedEvil, But it does just boil down (sorry) to how hot parts of the chip run, doesn't it?
Apr 06 22:45:26 <SpeedEvil> Ken-Young: no.
Apr 06 22:45:35 <SpeedEvil> Ken-Young: electromigration.
Apr 06 22:45:37 <Ken-Young> Oh - I'm surrised to hear that.
Apr 06 22:45:39 <microlith> like manufacturing differences between intel and ti?
Apr 06 22:45:46 <Ken-Young> (surprised)
Apr 06 22:45:48 <DocScrutinizer> microlith: that depends on a million details
Apr 06 22:46:17 <SpeedEvil> Ken-Young: yes - heat has an effect - but it's also crudely the electrons push atoms out of the way as they flow past them. In vey fine wire, this can cause problems over time.
Apr 06 22:46:22 <Ken-Young> SpeedEvil, So it's the voltage more than the temperature?
Apr 06 22:46:41 <DocScrutinizer> chip general technology (like 35nm), actual geometry, technology, material...
Apr 06 22:46:49 <SpeedEvil> There are also other effects. For example, the issue might be temperature cycling.
Apr 06 22:47:01 <Ken-Young> I guess I'll remove my muffin fan, then.
Apr 06 22:47:06 <microlith> sure
Apr 06 22:47:34 <DocScrutinizer> Ken-Young: it's the current/area
Apr 06 22:48:58 <DocScrutinizer> Ken-Young: think of the wires like pipes, the transistors like valves, and the current like water with sand
Apr 06 22:49:39 <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromigration is good
Apr 06 22:49:47 <DocScrutinizer> bad analogy, but somewhat you get the large picture this way
Apr 06 22:50:25 <Ken-Young> SpeedEvil, DocScrutinizer  Thanks.   I was unaware that that was the issue.
Apr 06 22:50:35 <DocScrutinizer> yw
Apr 06 22:51:43 <DocScrutinizer> I wonder if I'll find my electrochromatography analogon there in wiki
Apr 06 22:52:22 <DocScrutinizer> otoh I don't probably care
Apr 06 22:53:23 <DocScrutinizer> I'd be more interested in a common chromosome of overclocker idiots XP
Apr 06 22:53:35 <DocScrutinizer> might yield an attack vector
Apr 06 22:54:01 <DocScrutinizer> (jk)
Apr 06 22:55:03 <javispedro> one thing I wonder is why each overclocking "achievement" is frontpage news for engadget and related sites
Apr 06 22:55:09 <DocScrutinizer> as mentioned above, I can get bad mad on dealing with idiocy
Apr 06 22:55:17 <javispedro> I'm pretty sure they don't overclock their $1500 macbooks
Apr 06 22:56:54 <microlith> It's easy news, brings out the page views, and the forums make it easy to cite.
Apr 06 23:00:14 <DocScrutinizer> let's do a math joggling: x = % of cpu clock on overall performance of a system. (wild guess: 30% - remaining 70% for mem-IO, gfx, etc pp), now if we overclock from 500MHz to a completely illusoric 1GHz, we obviously get an overall system performance gain of ~15%. No taking into account you usually neet at least a factor *1.75 to even notice any difference...
Apr 06 23:01:12 <DocScrutinizer> neeD
Apr 06 23:01:22 <microlith> most people would probably get more responsiveness out of the changes in the transitions framerate thread
Apr 06 23:01:40 <microlith> although I do wonder if my device would be stable with the 125MHz mode enabled...
Apr 06 23:02:46 <SpeedEvil> And the smmothness.
Apr 06 23:03:37 <Pforce> rm_you: i have rendering now, just logged into one of our servers
Apr 06 23:03:43 <rm_you> :P woo
Apr 06 23:03:43 <Pforce> seems to work :)
Apr 06 23:03:55 <Pforce> ill take a pic soon
Apr 06 23:04:05 <rm_you> nice
Apr 06 23:04:07 <rm_you> how is the render speed
Apr 06 23:04:09 <rm_you> ?
Apr 06 23:04:11 <rm_you> compared to like
Apr 06 23:04:22 <rm_you> well, anything else as long as you mention specs :P
Apr 06 23:04:29 <Pforce> well its getting all the stuff from the network
Apr 06 23:04:30 <rm_you> like, FPS vs a desktop running the same prog
Apr 06 23:04:35 <Pforce> meshes, prims, textures etc
Apr 06 23:04:41 <Pforce> cant really say yet
Apr 06 23:04:43 <rm_you> wifi?
Apr 06 23:04:45 <rm_you> k
Apr 06 23:04:47 <Pforce> yeah
Apr 06 23:04:54 <Pforce> quite heavy content server at that too
Apr 06 23:04:56 <rm_you> curious how well it renders the common open 3d engines
Apr 06 23:08:47 <AakashPatel> N900 have Nav yet?
Apr 06 23:08:50 <AakashPatel> in Ovi
Apr 06 23:08:54 <microlith> not yet
Apr 06 23:09:05 <microlith> though there is Sygic
Apr 06 23:10:53 <w00t_> open poll: facebook client for maemo, what should I call it?
Apr 06 23:11:31 <kynky> maebook ?
Apr 06 23:11:42 <Ken-Young> facebrick?
Apr 06 23:12:19 <crashanddie_> w00t_: mistake
Apr 06 23:12:35 <DocScrutinizer> hehehehe
Apr 06 23:12:47 <w00t_> facebrick is amusing
Apr 06 23:12:54 <DocScrutinizer> meestake
Apr 06 23:12:59 <w00t_> MohammadAG: facebrick it is.
Apr 06 23:13:03 <w00t_> Ken-Young++
Apr 06 23:13:04 <w00t_> :P
Apr 06 23:13:30 <MohammadAG> hahahaha
Apr 06 23:13:32 <MohammadAG> LOL @ DocScrutinizer
Apr 06 23:13:44 <crashanddie_> w00t_: no really, another facebook client is just a mistake
Apr 06 23:13:51 <crashanddie_> w00t_: don't waste your time, get a real job
Apr 06 23:14:39 <brik> the one that's already there isn't very good tho
Apr 06 23:14:41 <jacekowski> i'm building chrome
Apr 06 23:14:46 <jacekowski> properly in scratchbox
Apr 06 23:14:47 <nidO> someone should really package up that transitions.ini set of tweaks and add a basic ui and reset option so people can toy round with their transitions without having to post asking what "cp" does every 2 minutes
Apr 06 23:15:01 <jacekowski> not using gentoo chroot
Apr 06 23:16:37 <DocScrutinizer> well face and F*** are quite similar ;-P 4 letters each
Apr 06 23:17:14 <MohammadAG> f***book?
Apr 06 23:17:20 <MohammadAG> would get some attention...
Apr 06 23:17:21 <DocScrutinizer> YES
Apr 06 23:17:30 <MohammadAG> w00t_, ^ :P
Apr 06 23:17:44 <w00t_> haha
Apr 06 23:18:17 <brik> fjesbok! give it a norwegian name
Apr 06 23:18:20 <dmj726_n9001> bookface?
Apr 06 23:18:43 <brik> bookworm
Apr 06 23:18:46 <MohammadAG> koobecaf
Apr 06 23:18:50 <DocScrutinizer> fielsfras?
Apr 06 23:18:53 <kynky> fookbace
Apr 06 23:19:08 <brik> that sounds kinky, kynky :P
Apr 06 23:19:16 <MohammadAG> lmao
Apr 06 23:19:16 <DocScrutinizer> facecrook
Apr 06 23:19:18 <ptl_demands_PR12> lol
Apr 06 23:19:34 <brik> moocow
Apr 06 23:19:46 <MohammadAG> moobook
Apr 06 23:19:59 <brik> horseshit
Apr 06 23:20:38 <DocScrutinizer> pacehook
Apr 06 23:21:06 <brik> spekeskinke
Apr 06 23:22:03 <kynky> koobecaf
Apr 06 23:22:21 <SpeedEvil_> facelift
Apr 06 23:22:21 <kynky> damn repeated! fail
Apr 06 23:22:35 <dmj726_n9001> cafekoob
Apr 06 23:22:39 <javispedro> can't believe nobody said lamebook yet
Apr 06 23:22:47 <DocScrutinizer> هراء
Apr 06 23:23:17 <kynky> cookbeaf
Apr 06 23:23:21 <brik> I suggested assbook!
Apr 06 23:23:33 <dmj726_n9001> why is a facebook app needed?
Apr 06 23:23:34 <SpeedEvil_> chucknorrisbook
Apr 06 23:23:37 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, BS
Apr 06 23:23:39 <MohammadAG> LOL
Apr 06 23:24:17 <brik> dmj726_n9001: for the people who want to check facebook without bothering with the website with the tiny links? :<
Apr 06 23:24:29 <ptl_demands_PR12> wow, hexxen II, nitdroid with touchscreen working, brain party... nice news
Apr 06 23:24:47 <nidO> brain party needs voting down tho
Apr 06 23:25:00 <DocScrutinizer> damn, does this guy ever get sober?
Apr 06 23:25:26 <dmj726_n9001> what's wrong with brain party?
Apr 06 23:25:51 <nidO> some of the puzzles occasionally massively lag it down and pretty much freeze the device
Apr 06 23:30:28 <DocScrutinizer> btw, what's with numptyphysics for N900?
Apr 06 23:30:52 <brik> I failed at that :<
Apr 06 23:31:16 <dmj726_n9001> numpy physics is great.
Apr 06 23:32:07 <DocScrutinizer> last time I checked it was almost working, but lacking all of the stages, and had an issue with top systray bar
Apr 06 23:32:54 <Pforce> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3589544/realxtend-naali-N900.png
Apr 06 23:33:01 <Pforce> there we go, at least its something :)
Apr 06 23:33:21 <Pforce> rm_you: ~10fps with that, so dont get your hopes up yet :)
Apr 06 23:33:48 <javispedro> with fullscreen you'll probably double that
Apr 06 23:34:08 <DocScrutinizer> err?
Apr 06 23:34:24 <javispedro> (10 fps -> ~20fps)
Apr 06 23:34:27 <DocScrutinizer> no scaling/croping?
Apr 06 23:34:50 <ptl_demands_PR12> Pforce: wow.
Apr 06 23:35:03 <javispedro> while a window is fullscreen the compositor is disabled
Apr 06 23:35:15 <Pforce> javispedro: the qwidget that hold the ogre rendering should be full screen there
Apr 06 23:35:18 <DocScrutinizer> yo compositor
Apr 06 23:35:21 <Pforce> or do you mean to go all the way fullscreen
Apr 06 23:35:38 <Pforce> do i need a maemo window for that
Apr 06 23:35:40 <javispedro> Pforce: all the way. the toplevel window should be fullscreen.
Apr 06 23:35:46 <javispedro> Pforce: doubt it...
Apr 06 23:36:02 <Pforce> just did Maximise() to the top level qwidget
Apr 06 23:36:10 <Pforce> but yeah you might be right
Apr 06 23:37:31 <javispedro> seeing the title bar is pretty specific symptom of a non fullscreen window ;P
Apr 06 23:43:38 <DocScrutinizer> and borked numptyphysics for N900
Apr 06 23:43:40 <MohammadAG> ~ping
Apr 06 23:43:41 <infobot> ~pong
Apr 06 23:46:02 <javispedro> MohammadAG: seriously, there are better keepalives than keeping the poor bot entertained :)
Apr 06 23:46:30 <MohammadAG> haha, had some problems with my connection so I'm just checking lol
Apr 06 23:46:41 * MohammadAG likes where Fennec is headed http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2010/04/firefox-mobile-1-1-whats-coming/
Apr 06 23:46:55 <haltdef> make it not painfully slow and I'm there
Apr 06 23:47:34 <C-S-B-N900> howdy.
Apr 06 23:47:39 <haltdef> ohi
Apr 06 23:48:33 <DocScrutinizer> nah
Apr 06 23:48:38 <DocScrutinizer> ~botsnack
Apr 06 23:48:38 <infobot> :), DocScrutinizer
Apr 06 23:48:49 <DocScrutinizer> ~good bot
Apr 06 23:48:50 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: aw, gee
Apr 06 23:48:54 <nidO> ~curse php
Apr 06 23:48:55 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, php !
Apr 07 00:06:57 <javispedro> clearly, the long-term memory storage capacity for a typical blogger is less than 5 years
Apr 07 00:11:25 <b-man|ubuntu> hmm, 8 hours later and my fedora install is almost done lol
Apr 07 00:14:04 <b-man|ubuntu> ~attack DocScrutinizer
Apr 07 00:14:05 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing DocScrutinizer
Apr 07 00:14:10 <b-man|ubuntu> xD
Apr 07 00:33:39 <Tuxprobe> Hi again, anyone knows how to launch a browser window with a specified URL? could be from commandline - but is to be implemented in Gtk application?
Apr 07 00:39:00 <b-man|ubuntu> AakashPatel: ping
Apr 07 00:39:26 * MohammadAG is off
Apr 07 00:39:37 <MohammadAG> Night people
Apr 07 00:44:06 <AakashPatel> b-man|ubuntu: yoyo
Apr 07 00:44:10 <DocScrutinizer-8> Tuxprobe: dbus
Apr 07 00:49:28 <b-man|ubuntu> AakashPatel: what's up? :)
Apr 07 00:49:50 <Tuxprobe> docscrutinizer-8 thx i found a description just now too :)
Apr 07 00:50:09 <AakashPatel> b-man|ubuntu: Oh nothin really
Apr 07 00:50:11 <AakashPatel> you
Apr 07 00:50:43 <b-man|ubuntu> nothing completely new atm, setting up fedora on my N900 xD
Apr 07 00:51:29 <b-man|ubuntu> attempting to make a cleaner port based off of Jebba's port
Apr 07 00:51:48 <b-man|ubuntu> kinda like ubuntu-n8x0
Apr 07 00:51:55 <AakashPatel> ewwy
Apr 07 00:51:56 <AakashPatel> lol
Apr 07 00:51:57 <AakashPatel> why
Apr 07 00:52:19 <b-man|ubuntu> because i can xD
Apr 07 00:52:39 <b-man|ubuntu> and some people will enjoy it
Apr 07 00:53:20 <AakashPatel> Hah
Apr 07 00:54:15 <acidjazz> so whats goin on
Apr 07 00:54:19 <acidjazz> whena re we goin to #meego
Apr 07 00:54:22 <b-man|ubuntu> AakashPatel: so how is your new job going?
Apr 07 00:55:11 <AakashPatel> havent started yet xD
Apr 07 00:55:14 <AakashPatel> Next week
Apr 07 00:55:16 <b-man|ubuntu> ah xD
Apr 07 00:55:18 <b-man|ubuntu> :)
Apr 07 00:55:40 <b-man|ubuntu> i'll bet it will be fun :)
Apr 07 00:56:02 <AakashPatel> Yeah :)
Apr 07 00:56:57 <b-man|ubuntu> btw xnt14 is in Pakistan, but he'll be back on the 10th
Apr 07 01:00:10 <b-man|ubuntu> AakashPatel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko
Apr 07 01:00:32 <b-man|ubuntu> i love that video xD
Apr 07 01:00:47 <AakashPatel> lolwtf
Apr 07 01:00:48 <AakashPatel> haha
Apr 07 01:00:54 <b-man|ubuntu> xDDD
Apr 07 01:01:42 <b-man|ubuntu> "Pad smoke - don't breath this!" xDDDD
Apr 07 01:01:58 <godrik> hi guy. got a question for you about the GPS receiver in the N810.
Apr 07 01:02:28 <b-man|ubuntu> i don't have an N810
Apr 07 01:02:30 <godrik> When I use maemo mapper, I don't get any fix at all. But when I use "nokia map", I got the fix almost immediatly
Apr 07 01:02:32 <dmj726_n9001> a good use for that device.
Apr 07 01:02:58 <b-man|ubuntu> dmj726_n9001: Yes, Indeed! xD
Apr 07 01:03:05 <godrik> is there a known issue about the n810 and maemo mapper ? Is there a way to "fix" maemo mapper ?
Apr 07 01:03:26 <godrik> or is there a better gps+mapping software ?
Apr 07 01:03:32 <AakashPatel> b-man|ubuntu: N900 have nav yet?
Apr 07 01:04:17 <b-man|ubuntu> yup
Apr 07 01:04:46 <b-man|ubuntu> although i can't remember the name of the software off the top of my head
Apr 07 01:04:54 <AakashPatel> Err
Apr 07 01:04:58 <AakashPatel> I meant Ovi maps nav
Apr 07 01:05:11 <b-man|ubuntu> ah
Apr 07 01:05:13 <b-man|ubuntu> well
Apr 07 01:05:38 <raster> burrp
Apr 07 01:05:42 <b-man|ubuntu> it hasn't changed at all unfortunately \
Apr 07 01:05:53 <b-man|ubuntu> but
Apr 07 01:06:12 <b-man|ubuntu> there is some grally nice 3rd party nav software
Apr 07 01:06:19 <b-man|ubuntu> *really
Apr 07 01:06:34 <AakashPatel> cool
Apr 07 01:06:37 <b-man|ubuntu> but i don't think it's free
Apr 07 01:08:02 <AakashPatel> thats fine lol
Apr 07 01:10:44 <b-man|ubuntu> AakashPatel: http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/press-releases/press-news/300.html
Apr 07 01:10:49 <b-man|ubuntu> ;)
Apr 07 01:27:46 <AakashPatel> nice!
Apr 07 02:30:16 <ebzzry> Hi! Is /bin/bash provided by the bash3 package safe to be used as the default shell (via bash-setup)?
Apr 07 02:31:41 <SpeedEvil> no
Apr 07 02:31:51 <ebzzry> SpeedEvil: Why?
Apr 07 02:32:07 <SpeedEvil> The startup scripts run as user object for some reason
Apr 07 02:32:44 <SpeedEvil> you get a reboot loop
Apr 07 02:32:50 <SpeedEvil> from memory
Apr 07 02:33:35 <ebzzry> SpeedEvil: just to clarify, this is the `bash3' package, and not `bash'
Apr 07 02:34:07 <SpeedEvil> dunno
Apr 07 02:34:20 <SpeedEvil> try it, you may need to reflash
Apr 07 02:34:27 <ebzzry> SpeedEvil: OK
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