**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 08 02:59:56 2010 Apr 08 03:03:12 ~ding Apr 08 03:03:13 dong Apr 08 03:29:34 I would like to run some code frequently on my N810 and only when I have an internet access Apr 08 03:30:08 On a classical linux, I would use cron, but I though there was something better on maemo Apr 08 03:30:11 any comments ? Apr 08 03:30:38 godrik: "better"? Is there something you need to do which cron does not allow? Apr 08 03:31:07 well, typically, i don't want to do anything if I don't have an internet access Apr 08 03:31:23 I could just test that at the beginning of my script Apr 08 03:31:44 but I though there might be a system that would run the script as soon as an internet connexion appear in that case Apr 08 03:32:10 omweather does something like that for instance. Apr 08 03:33:17 and I don't recall seeing cron or at by defaut on my n810 Apr 08 03:34:23 godrik: may be something you can pull off with dbus in this regard Apr 08 03:36:44 mmm, Iam going to have a look at that Apr 08 03:36:48 thank you Apr 08 03:37:09 did someone ported wget or curl ? Apr 08 03:39:24 on maemo5 there's alarmed app Apr 08 03:39:46 godrik, wget is there, if you're talking about Maemo 5. Apr 08 03:39:58 nop, I am talking about diablo Apr 08 03:40:03 Sorry Apr 08 03:40:12 thank you for the info anyway :) Apr 08 03:41:41 ok Apr 08 03:42:00 When you set an sms message does it copy it to the root fs? Apr 08 03:42:11 sms message alert Apr 08 03:42:39 because I set the sms alert tone to a named pipe and it generates random wav sounds Apr 08 03:43:08 So far when I receive an sms it is actually the first sound that I put into the pipe Apr 08 03:45:05 err, sorry, can't follow Apr 08 03:48:01 if I make any sense of what you say, I conclude the system creates a .wav backup of the ringtone selected, at the time you actually select the original ringtone. I think I remember to have seen such 'cache' files in some hidden drawer somewhere Apr 08 03:55:51 DocScrutinizer, I tried searching for files of a similar size none came up Apr 08 03:57:30 dotblank: that might fail as probably it's transcoded to another format, so changes size. Check for new files, or compare a full ls -a >before.txt with after.txt Apr 08 03:59:43 btw I think I've seen those cached files somewhere in ~ Apr 08 04:02:32 the named-pipe idea is actually intriguing Apr 08 04:02:32 yea it actually works really weel Apr 08 04:02:43 well.. like I can select the file from the list and it plays random files each time i play it Apr 08 04:02:53 just when I get a message seems to have a cache Apr 08 04:03:03 duh Apr 08 04:03:18 sms alarmtone is different to ringtone? Apr 08 04:03:36 nah.. I was setting the sms alarm tone Apr 08 04:05:14 it was really hard to get a named pipe into the MyDocs folder Apr 08 04:05:43 I bet it was. MyDocs is VFAT Apr 08 04:06:11 mounted a 1mb loopback ext2 in the vfat Apr 08 04:06:21 yay Apr 08 04:06:34 also has a symlink to root Apr 08 04:06:40 why didn't you create the pipe in ~ simply? Apr 08 04:07:03 the drop down menu doesn't give you access to it Apr 08 04:07:10 yep Apr 08 04:07:17 only to contents in MyDocs Apr 08 04:08:00 I 'fixed' that mega-annoyance by bindmounting / to MyDocs/rootlink Apr 08 04:09:26 but I fail to understand why you ned access to the named pipe via this braindead filemanager selector Apr 08 04:10:31 to select a named pipe to be usedf as an alert. Apr 08 04:10:39 aaaah Apr 08 04:10:44 in the background I have a script piping sound into it Apr 08 04:11:01 darn Apr 08 04:11:02 oh I found the location of the cache Apr 08 04:11:08 :-D Apr 08 04:11:14 where is it? Apr 08 04:11:14 /home/user/.local/share/sounds Apr 08 04:11:20 yep Apr 08 04:11:26 toldy it's in ~ Apr 08 04:11:27 I compared the diffs of my entire FS Apr 08 04:11:57 also I remembered it's hidden Apr 08 04:12:36 woohaa, my brain has a neuron left that really works :-P Apr 08 04:12:38 it encodes it to wav Apr 08 04:12:54 you were right about location and encoding Apr 08 04:12:58 3. point I remembered :-D Apr 08 04:13:13 brb Apr 08 04:13:27 kepp us updated please :-) Apr 08 04:16:05 dotblank: so now you know location of the cache, you don't need fileselector access any more ;-D. Just place your named pipe there Apr 08 04:20:44 what OS the joojoo tablet runs on? Apr 08 04:24:35 DocScrutinizer, not so fast I have to make sure I encode all the files to the same wav format and quality Apr 08 04:25:33 dotblank: you tried playback of the cache file? Apr 08 04:25:45 im about to just got back Apr 08 04:25:53 or a simple 'file ' Apr 08 04:26:15 ok playback worked Apr 08 04:26:39 Uncompressed 16-bit PCM audio Mono 48000 Hz Apr 08 04:26:47 is the fileformat Apr 08 04:26:53 amazing Apr 08 04:27:22 gah Apr 08 04:27:23 I would have expected a 24KHz Apr 08 04:27:45 my source file has a lower hz Apr 08 04:27:54 I think it will play ok anyway Apr 08 04:27:54 tzzz Apr 08 04:28:44 not really. probably they use 48KHz so they don't need to transcode it during playback Apr 08 04:30:23 ok im testing t Apr 08 04:30:32 YES!!! Apr 08 04:30:35 I think it works Apr 08 04:31:00 Awesoem Apr 08 04:31:07 I now have a random SMS alert Apr 08 04:31:38 I took the entire Starcraft unit selection sounds and am now using them as random sms alerts Apr 08 04:32:53 now I need to run "hile true; do /usr/bin/gnu/shuf /home/user/MyDocs/SC1S/list.txt | head -n 1 | xargs cat 1>/home/user/.local/share/sounds/Love\ Sounds.mp3.wav; done" as a daemon Apr 08 04:33:56 sorry, was offline. have I missed a post before that last one? Apr 08 04:34:09 ok im testing t Apr 08 04:34:09 YES!!! Apr 08 04:34:09 I think it works Apr 08 04:34:09 Awesoem Apr 08 04:34:09 I now have a random SMS alert Apr 08 04:34:10 * clicx has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) Apr 08 04:34:12 I took the entire Starcraft unit selection sounds and am now using them as random sms alerts Apr 08 04:34:40 yeeeha! :-D Apr 08 04:35:41 now I just need to run the above command at start in the backgound Apr 08 04:36:30 * DocScrutinizer hands hacker-of-the-day batch to dotblank Apr 08 04:36:56 Im going to make a post about this on maemo.org Apr 08 04:37:10 great Apr 08 04:37:49 you are aware how mad useful this is as well for contact specific ringtones? Apr 08 04:38:10 hmm.. not too sure.. Apr 08 04:38:17 I guess what would happen Apr 08 04:38:31 dbus wopuld send a message about contact info Apr 08 04:38:39 on incoming call Apr 08 04:39:00 listen for it and then pipe contact ringtone into named pipe Apr 08 04:39:12 yep Apr 08 04:39:21 do I win anything? Apr 08 04:39:36 you won the batch ;-D Apr 08 04:40:02 ok now to make a simple python script to do this Apr 08 04:41:24 brb again Apr 08 04:44:13 back Apr 08 04:46:51 wonder if I can pipe espeak to say aloud the contact's name Apr 08 04:47:20 I could make it say "call from dotblank" Apr 08 04:47:29 as the ringtone for that person Apr 08 04:48:08 should work Apr 08 04:48:27 I don't think any current phone can do that really Apr 08 04:48:36 and actually there's a really dirty hack doing this Apr 08 04:48:41 s60 devices can do it Apr 08 04:49:10 it syntesizes caller name on top of normal ringintone Apr 08 04:49:21 yep Apr 08 04:49:38 that's nasty Apr 08 04:50:38 or make it read the sms Apr 08 04:51:25 well, that's not necessarily coupled to alarm tone playback Apr 08 04:52:37 but things like ramp up ringtone volume, contact specific ringtones etc pp - that's really a good concept to implement such things Apr 08 04:52:59 well I just tested piping espeak and it works Apr 08 04:53:43 date Apr 08 04:53:58 ment to type that in a terminal Apr 08 04:55:27 ls -la /etc/network Apr 08 04:59:02 good morning, crashanddie Apr 08 04:59:12 it's 3PM :) Apr 08 04:59:14 good morning Apr 08 05:01:57 dotblank: now if headset pushbutton and voicedial would work, then we really fixed headset usability Apr 08 05:04:55 dbus monitor into espeak is hilarious Apr 08 05:05:06 * DocScrutinizer wonders if there's a GSoC project for a basic speech2txt to implement voice dialing and voice cmds Apr 08 05:06:13 that would be nice Apr 08 05:06:14 DocScrutinizer: isn't there a sister project for asterisk that does that? Apr 08 05:06:24 It's kinda embarrasing N9x is brilliant on that, and N900 can't do at all Apr 08 05:06:36 and it's something that we need to catch up on the android and iphone fronts Apr 08 05:06:48 erhm... the android one sucks donkey balls Apr 08 05:06:53 really? Apr 08 05:06:56 yeah Apr 08 05:06:59 I have no practice on it Apr 08 05:07:05 crashanddie: asterisk? sounds quite unrelated, but well... anyway never heard of it Apr 08 05:07:10 nevertheless it's there, and ours isn't Apr 08 05:07:29 crashanddie: 3 pm? Where do you live? It's 2 AM here in Brazil Apr 08 05:07:38 ptl_demands_PR12: as in: say "encule" (roughly translated as asshole in english), and it will pick a contact at random Apr 08 05:07:41 cmon look at google voice their sppech2text is terrible. If they can't get that right how would android Apr 08 05:08:00 dotblank: because they're not based on the same technologies? Apr 08 05:08:32 I guess I should never attempt humor in an irc channel Apr 08 05:08:44 moo all Apr 08 05:08:54 well, you can, but if your humour is shit, it doesn't really matter Apr 08 05:09:00 :( Apr 08 05:09:02 The voice commands are shit for Finnish language even on S60 :P Apr 08 05:09:18 They "sort of work" Apr 08 05:09:31 moo RST38h Apr 08 05:09:53 dotblank: :-D Apr 08 05:10:09 symbian has speech2text? Apr 08 05:10:15 yess Apr 08 05:10:37 and can't they port it to maemo/meego? Apr 08 05:10:38 and it works like a charm on german N95 Apr 08 05:10:47 ah those germans... Apr 08 05:11:08 N900 is the first Maemo phone. You can't expect it to have _everything_ that Symbian/S60 has. Apr 08 05:11:17 By the way, voice commands is not the same thing as speech to text Apr 08 05:11:20 even understands names of contacts without any training Apr 08 05:11:31 Voice commands are way easier to do Apr 08 05:11:41 I know Apr 08 05:11:43 If they had implemented everything, it would've taken another year or two to get N900 to shops :) Apr 08 05:12:02 RST38h: that's why I asked for *basic* s2t Apr 08 05:12:31 MiXu-: we all know and appreciate that Apr 08 05:12:45 Just stating the obvious :) Apr 08 05:13:18 DocScrutinizer: that's because you sound like you're going to kill someone everytime you give an order (germans as a whole) Apr 08 05:13:43 TELEFONIERT SIE HANS, SCHNELL Apr 08 05:13:43 but really Nokia could port their S60 speech recog to maemo. I wouldn't even mind if it was closed source Apr 08 05:13:49 and the phone replies: Ja Herr General Apr 08 05:14:23 crashanddie: hehe Apr 08 05:14:56 It only responds if you yell loud enough. Apr 08 05:14:59 I think the problem in porting is that it's all written in an overly complicated manner since they're stuck with Symbian C++. Apr 08 05:15:09 So it would be a complete rewrite. Apr 08 05:15:17 The algorithm is the important part Apr 08 05:15:20 implementation never is Apr 08 05:15:35 ack Apr 08 05:15:45 it depends, the implementation might have a lot of special cases to deal with and that might be very important Apr 08 05:15:51 at least in my experience Apr 08 05:15:56 DocS: No such thing as basic s2t Apr 08 05:16:19 I believe they're better off just using the known algorithm but writing everything else "from scratch". Apr 08 05:16:23 DocS: You either go the whole way, or it does not work, or you do voice control which does not do any s2t to speak of Apr 08 05:16:41 if your algorithm is sound, the language doesn't matter (except for performance) -- you can throw monkeys at it and it'll work; that's what Indian programmers are for Apr 08 05:16:58 lol Apr 08 05:16:59 RST38h: well, recognizing spoken contact surnames without training is what I call basic s2t Apr 08 05:18:03 what's the best open source speech2text engine? Apr 08 05:18:11 s2t with a *very* limited dictionary, but one that lacks phonetic transscriptions Apr 08 05:18:28 throwing monkeys on anything more complicated than a web app is a bad idea Apr 08 05:19:34 no Apr 08 05:19:41 throwing monkey at a web app is a bad idea Apr 08 05:19:54 you've gothe worst piece of software I ever saw Apr 08 05:20:26 it was made by indians (MRO Corp.) and sold to IBM in 2005. It's called Maximo. Apr 08 05:20:26 ptl_demands_PR12: you haven't shared my experience then ;) Apr 08 05:21:25 this message from 2008 states that maemo has poorly performed speech2text --> http://discussion.forum.nokia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124846 Apr 08 05:21:29 anyone knows what this guy is talking about? Apr 08 05:24:04 nope Apr 08 05:24:16 :-S Apr 08 05:24:30 ptl_demands_PR12: sphinx is in Java, but open source Apr 08 05:26:26 "in Java" == "useless" Apr 08 05:26:50 It's the algorithm that counts. Apr 08 05:27:49 Sometimes I wish the chinese didn't get access to the interweb Apr 08 05:28:02 you wouldn't have to read crap like this: "the problem is none of HW related, it's just a unfinished work, every HW have this problem. It's not a but, just like XORG." Apr 08 05:28:07 crashanddie: They don't really ;) Apr 08 05:28:37 It's not a but? Apr 08 05:28:40 LOL Apr 08 05:28:57 you put buts in buttracker Apr 08 05:30:48 butcracker Apr 08 05:34:56 time for a swapoff - a; swapon -a :) Apr 08 05:35:11 uhuh Apr 08 05:35:40 ptl_demands_PR12: What for? Apr 08 05:35:51 to sweeten the coffee Apr 08 05:36:19 I'm doing that 12 times a day Apr 08 05:36:20 MiXu-: too much tabs open in google chrome, chromium, firefox and akregator, I guess Apr 08 05:36:29 syntax sugar on java? Apr 08 05:36:53 ptl: oh, I thought you meant on N900. Apr 08 05:37:16 each of these words is enough on its own to kickban you :-P Apr 08 05:37:34 MiXu-: no, I never needed to do that on N900... Apr 08 05:37:48 Me neither, which is why I was asking :) Apr 08 05:38:13 still I fail to understand how it would help to fix any problem on any platform Apr 08 05:38:23 but I guess the reason my usage was so bad was due to the flash plugin/nspluginviewer, it was quite large on xrestop Apr 08 05:39:17 I just had to wait 3 days for engineering to write a tool Apr 08 05:39:27 it's supposed to modify an XML file, in very complicated ways Apr 08 05:39:29 DocScrutinizer: I suspect it's memory leak or so, but I don't have the guts to use valgrind or anything else for such a large program Apr 08 05:39:41 (35.5k lines in the XML file) Apr 08 05:39:54 It changed 10 lines. Apr 08 05:39:57 does it use XSLT? Apr 08 05:40:03 We waited 3 days for 10 lines. Apr 08 05:40:17 fuck xslt, tell me what to change next time Apr 08 05:40:27 yep Apr 08 05:40:50 sed probably needs 0.005s cpu time to do that Apr 08 05:40:54 a base of maemo is Linux? Apr 08 05:41:09 woodong50_: err, yes... Apr 08 05:41:19 yeah, and all maemo base are belong to us. Apr 08 05:41:26 oh thanks Apr 08 05:41:28 hrhrhrr Apr 08 05:42:26 woodong50_: maemo is linux, not only the kernel, but the whole infrastructure - dbus, gstream, hal, X, gtk+, qt, networkmanager, upstart Apr 08 05:42:27 aboyer: you're from Canada, right? Apr 08 05:42:58 upstart is linux? OMG Apr 08 05:43:05 ptl_demands_PR12: I would've said the exact opposite, but nevermind Apr 08 05:43:15 crashanddie: yes... and a little surprised that you would know that... Apr 08 05:43:54 DocScrutinizer: I meant that upstart makes part of some distros' infrastructure, not that it 'belongs' to linux only. X also runs on other OSs, why the surprise? Apr 08 05:44:21 ~traceroute 130.188.198.109 Apr 08 05:44:23 traceroute to 130.188.198.109 (130.188.198.109), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets Apr 08 05:44:23 DocScrutinizer: of course, I am not referring to the kernel here, but if I used GNU/Linux I'd only complicate things for woodong50_ Apr 08 05:44:58 crashanddie: what do you mean? Apr 08 05:45:03 OS of n900 vs n810 is same? Apr 08 05:45:20 crashanddie: why do you ask? Apr 08 05:46:03 basically, yes, but that doesn't mean apps from N810 will work out of the box in N900, might need recompilation or even some adaptations to account for changes in the OS libraries. Apr 08 05:46:14 aboyer: I just happen to know a Boyer, and he's from Canada, also your first name is Alain, which means you're either french or french canadian Apr 08 05:46:17 woodong50_: basically, yes, but that doesn't mean apps from N810 will work out of the box in N900, might need recompilation or even some adaptations to account for changes in the OS libraries. Apr 08 05:46:23 ptl_demands_PR12: well I thought upstart is ubuntu. And for ubuntu see http://xkcd.com/424/ Apr 08 05:46:29 woodong50_: and this also means that apps written for the N900 will be even more difficult to backport to the N810, generally speaking Apr 08 05:46:40 aboyer: I got lucky, nevermind Apr 08 05:46:43 yes Apr 08 05:46:58 crashanddie: french canadian (from ontario and not quebec...) Apr 08 05:47:12 you may know the difference... Apr 08 05:47:17 DocScrutinizer-8: maemo uses it and i think fedora does too, isn't it? Many tools are invented for one distribution and become popular in others. Apr 08 05:47:22 aboyer: which explains why you're still awake at this time of day :) Apr 08 05:47:41 aboyer: en effet, je connais la difference Apr 08 05:47:43 ptl_demands_PR12: just kidding, never mind Apr 08 05:47:53 crashanddie: well, i'm not living in canada anymore... Apr 08 05:48:11 it's morning for me... Apr 08 05:48:17 DocScrutinizer: sorry for not getting the joke :) Apr 08 05:49:02 it's 3 AM here in Brazil but I sleep at day and awake at the night, mostly due to my job (although I am on vacation now) Apr 08 05:49:16 aboyer: welcome to Europe Apr 08 05:49:24 aboyer: what does a canadian do working for Nokia? Apr 08 05:49:59 toxic48 Apr 08 05:50:05 crashanddie: i'm not working for nokia, although i work with the n900 all day long! Apr 08 05:52:03 aboyer: oh well, you live in Finland and come to #maemo, I had a 2/3 chance you were working for Nokia :p Apr 08 05:52:39 not really Apr 08 05:52:44 Linus Torvalds should use a N900 Apr 08 05:52:51 please, no Apr 08 05:53:00 The day torvalds endorses the n900, I sell mine Apr 08 05:53:05 lol Apr 08 05:53:30 that sound very reasonable, sell device if person x owns it Apr 08 05:53:45 It's not because of that Apr 08 05:54:15 since he's the Linux kernel manager, he'd surely steer the development towards its daily usage Apr 08 05:54:18 like, maybe we could get an open-source bme driver Apr 08 05:55:09 ptl_demands_PR12: go ahead write your own bme. It's not that difficult really Apr 08 05:56:37 probably N900 would work and even charge flawlessly (though a lil tad slower and only from wallcharger) even without any BME at all Apr 08 05:58:20 I have some development skills, most of them in userspace. I will not spend my vacation with that, but I thanks for the advice. I've got to spend most of the time working out and nurturing my new relationship. :P Apr 08 05:58:46 No, if Linus had an interest in Maemo/Meego (unlikely considering Nokia/Intel are behind it), his arrogant and sorry ass would immediately criticise all of the very good and sound decisions we have made over the years Apr 08 05:58:46 s/but I thanks/but I thank you/ Apr 08 05:58:47 ptl_demands_PR12 meant: I have some development skills, most of them in userspace. I will not spend my vacation with that, but I thank you for the advice. I've got to spend most of the time working out and nurturing my new relationship. :P Apr 08 05:59:25 He wouldn't pay any attention to the "why", rather than the "how", everyone would be low-level junk to him, and the project would die in the burning flames of corporate trolls versus open source zealots Apr 08 05:59:44 would you be in the side of the corporate trolls? Apr 08 06:00:02 I trust more in the open source zealots ;) Apr 08 06:00:10 not that I trust too much, tho Apr 08 06:00:28 so one man could ruin the whole community and existing product? Apr 08 06:00:32 To be honest? Yeah, corporate trolls usually have more integrity and loyalty than open source zealots Apr 08 06:00:50 naxu: sure, look what he did to Mandriva Apr 08 06:01:16 yummmmmmm Apr 08 06:01:22 mornin maemites Apr 08 06:01:43 heh, for aussies: maemomites Apr 08 06:02:01 hehee Apr 08 06:02:13 crashanddie: I don't know what happened there.. but I would expect that Meego will be steered from Intel and Nokia Apr 08 06:02:36 naxu: yeah, into the hands of the community Apr 08 06:02:37 and they do steering based on business Apr 08 06:03:40 in my opinion "into the hands of community" fully happens only after product support ends Apr 08 06:03:59 MiXu-: it never really happens ever Apr 08 06:04:09 after support ends, the community is just screwed Apr 08 06:04:15 mer ? Apr 08 06:04:37 n8 Apr 08 06:04:37 Of course community has a huge role in software development, but I wouldn't say that means the whole platform is "in the hands of the community". Apr 08 06:04:41 "Liberté, égalité, fraternité. Trois mensonges dans une phrase, ça fait quand meme un peu pitié" Apr 08 06:04:51 naxu: Maemo is too closed source Apr 08 06:05:13 MiXu-: community has next to no sway over maemo, agreed Apr 08 06:05:18 the community lacks the code needed to get things working Apr 08 06:05:20 meego's changing that it seems Apr 08 06:05:21 tout a fait Apr 08 06:05:21 Stskeeps: Yes. Apr 08 06:05:35 that said, it is possible to get some things done here and there Apr 08 06:08:23 I don't know if it is ever possible to totally open maemo/meego. There are liability issues with gsm for example. And IP rights issues with chip manufacturers etc. Apr 08 06:09:03 i don't mind 97%, where shared platform is 100% and hardware may have bits here and there Apr 08 06:09:34 naxu: GSM isn't handled by the main processor Apr 08 06:10:00 naxu: as with all smartphones, GSM is handled by an independent "phone" CPU running 100% closed software Apr 08 06:10:25 naxu: the closed parts tend to be things like GPS and battery charging Apr 08 06:10:36 are you pro or con that btw? if there's open interfaces to gsm chip Apr 08 06:10:40 and 3D, but I don't care so much about 3D as there's no practical alternative ;( Apr 08 06:11:04 Stskeeps: I consider it firmware, so I choose to tolerate it for now. Apr 08 06:11:10 fair enough Apr 08 06:11:13 open firmware is still a long way off Apr 08 06:11:29 luke-jr: battery charging might be also liability issue.. if user messes with charging algoritm and ruins/explodes battery, device manufacturer will be blaimed Apr 08 06:11:49 naxu: I can mess with charging algorithm without source. Source just makes it less likely I do something wrong. Apr 08 06:12:11 yeah, true Apr 08 06:12:12 therefore, liability is greater with battery charger closed Apr 08 06:12:25 they force me to work blind ;) Apr 08 06:12:29 naxu: nope that's nonsense Apr 08 06:12:30 naxu: anyway, doesn't a disclaimer solve the vendor liability? Apr 08 06:12:42 well might be that algorithms are IP Apr 08 06:12:56 luke-jr: you're aware that the only way to prove that open source is better, is injuring yourself while experimenting with this stuff? Apr 08 06:12:59 :P Apr 08 06:13:03 disclaimer is not automatic "get away from jail" card Apr 08 06:13:25 (we danes have a good expression along the lines of 'bodies needs to go on the table before anything is done') Apr 08 06:13:28 :P Apr 08 06:13:29 naxu: IANAL, but I bet a disclaimer on modifying the algorithm would hold up ;p Apr 08 06:13:30 +dead Apr 08 06:13:30 :P Apr 08 06:14:05 **you can not change the algorithm. It's implemented in bq24150* Apr 08 06:14:06 Stskeeps: are you descended from vikings? Apr 08 06:14:07 luke-jr: it very much depends on country where "accept" button is pressed Apr 08 06:14:10 "my arm got blown off by their device!" "you modified the code to do that, idiot" Apr 08 06:14:24 naxu: there is no 'accept' button Apr 08 06:14:55 heck, I would expect even *without* a disclaimer, someone who did that would have no legal basis for suing Apr 08 06:15:02 well I guess you get the point? Apr 08 06:15:04 mcdonalds, hot coffee. Apr 08 06:15:05 :P Apr 08 06:15:09 it's like buying a gun and shooting your foot off Apr 08 06:15:10 luke-jr you aren't obviously american Apr 08 06:15:18 he is, though Apr 08 06:15:26 "I'll sue ya" songs from Weird Al Yankovic holds true now. Apr 08 06:15:30 Stskeeps: scaldingly hot coffee; that case actually had *some* merit Apr 08 06:15:33 oh, then he isn't American Apr 08 06:15:40 with a capital A Apr 08 06:15:49 tekojo: I try not to be. :p Apr 08 06:16:05 there is still hope then :) Apr 08 06:16:16 luke-jr: I guess if it was *that* hot, the coffee would evaporate instantaneously :P Apr 08 06:16:30 ptl_demands_PR12: why? Apr 08 06:16:30 but naxu is right on the disclaimers, they don't hold in many places in the world Apr 08 06:17:04 tekojo: disclaimers aside, the liability is greater with closed source since it forces modifiers to work blind Apr 08 06:17:10 please take notice you basically CAN NOT explode the battery by any sw tweaking. That's all BS, cargo cult coding, and urban legends Apr 08 06:17:27 is that a bet? Apr 08 06:17:33 luke-jr: water goes only to 100 degress celsius, is not something like hot oil that can fry you alive, although it can hurt. Besides, people usually wait a few before actually drinking the coffee. Apr 08 06:17:38 DocScrutinizer: "explode == safety vent opens" in my book Apr 08 06:17:42 I wouldn't bet, but I think DocScrutinizer is right Apr 08 06:17:44 luke-jr the hard part of making mass market things is that the assumed buyer is not really tech savvy Apr 08 06:18:09 * tekojo hmmm... coffee... Apr 08 06:18:11 ptl_demands_PR12: water can burn before it evaporates Apr 08 06:18:36 tekojo: someone non-savvy would not modify it, with or without code Apr 08 06:18:53 luke-jr: water from a little cups gets cold quite fast, and the low volume does not allow such harm. Apr 08 06:18:56 naxu: so I don't care what's on your book. There's a hardware chip designed to manage battery in a gentle way fully autonomously, and it's quite hard to mess with that chip in a way so battery will go any mad state Apr 08 06:18:59 luke-jr: after someone made youtube videos of how to install meego on a n900, we can no longer assume things like that Apr 08 06:19:03 :P Apr 08 06:19:07 *little cup Apr 08 06:19:18 luke-jr: what if tech-savvy creates software that breaks things up and then non-savvy uses it without knowing what he is doing and breaks the device? Apr 08 06:19:24 luke-jr well, reading the talk thread on cpu clocking, there is a bunch of people who do the craziest thing just "cause it said so on the internet" Apr 08 06:19:27 luke-jr: there will always be people telling lesser knowledged (that sounds wrong) how to do advanced things Apr 08 06:19:31 :P Apr 08 06:19:50 naxu: same with or without source Apr 08 06:20:16 luke-jr not what the courts think Apr 08 06:20:17 I told a bunch of non-tech savvy brazilian guys how to activate smartreflex in a forum Apr 08 06:20:18 ptl_demands_PR12: 72 C water can do third degree burns in a second. Apr 08 06:20:44 luke-jr: but from manufacturer point of view there is a difference Apr 08 06:21:12 tekojo: some ignorant court has come out and said forcing people to work blind reduces liability? Apr 08 06:21:13 [2010-04-08 07:56:36] probably N900 would work and even charge flawlessly (though a lil tad slower and only from wallcharger) even without any BME at all Apr 08 06:21:41 DocScrutinizer: on a sidenote, did you start that maemo-developers@ discussion yet? Apr 08 06:21:53 luke-jr: not a few drops because they exchange temperature with the body water, it has to have some volume. Apr 08 06:22:01 luke-jr essentially yes Apr 08 06:22:19 ptl_demands_PR12: I wonder what temperature is enough to affect someone driving. Apr 08 06:22:38 not yet, as I don't like to start such a thread without a device to confirm the statements and assumptions I'm going to post there Apr 08 06:23:01 DocScrutinizer: fair enough - technical basis first Apr 08 06:23:10 yep Apr 08 06:23:21 luke-jr: if that person is driving with the cup on his/her lap, I guess the temperature is not what counts here. Apr 08 06:23:30 * luke-jr notes if the battery really could be exploded, BME would *need* to be in the kernel anyhow Apr 08 06:23:33 wow.. Angstron2 looks so awesome it makes my head explode. Apr 08 06:23:38 imagine I yell about 'where's the sysnodes?' and actually there are some Apr 08 06:23:46 ptl_demands_PR12: I'm thinking taking a sip Apr 08 06:23:52 DocScrutinizer: get shadowjk or someone to give you ssh access? Apr 08 06:24:10 someone w/ a N900: killall -s STOP BME Apr 08 06:24:11 :) Apr 08 06:24:27 luke-jr: while driving? isn't that forbidden? The traffic laws here in Brazil forbid such a thing... Apr 08 06:24:35 ptl_demands_PR12: of course not Apr 08 06:24:43 you can't even drink coffee while you're driving in Brazil?? Apr 08 06:25:05 you can't drink anything while drivin Apr 08 06:25:08 &driving Apr 08 06:25:11 I regularly use my N810 while driving Apr 08 06:25:12 luke-jr: see? yes, BME is a mere 'convenience' thing, for faster charging and/or charging on PC usb hosts at 500, and/or info about capacity Apr 08 06:25:17 and every so often eat/drink Apr 08 06:25:23 or eat anything for that matter Apr 08 06:25:33 of course, most people don't obey this law Apr 08 06:25:36 ptl_demands_PR12: that is quite frankly insane Apr 08 06:25:59 I suppose they ban phones too? Apr 08 06:26:03 what do they expect people to do while driving? Apr 08 06:26:07 yes Apr 08 06:26:15 You can't use the phones while you're driving Apr 08 06:26:15 luke-jr: that won't pan out (sigstop BME) as then the bq24150 I2C watchdog will shoot Apr 08 06:26:30 DocScrutinizer: the battery has a wd now? Apr 08 06:26:35 yep Apr 08 06:26:41 32s Apr 08 06:27:18 and you can't use callphones when you're in gas stations (that law was made because some high-ranked politician believed in the urban legend about cellphones blowing up gas stations with sparks) Apr 08 06:27:20 so I guess we can be sure it won't explode within 32s Apr 08 06:27:21 <.< Apr 08 06:27:27 s/callphones/cellphones/ Apr 08 06:27:27 ptl_demands_PR12 meant: and you can't use cellphones when you're in gas stations (that law was made because some high-ranked politician believed in the urban legend about cellphones blowing up gas stations with sparks) Apr 08 06:27:30 ptl_demands_PR12: what do they expect people to do while driving? Apr 08 06:27:36 the bq24150 can either work autonomously which it does quite flawlessly with wallcharger. Or you can control it over I2C and then you need to 'keep alive' it Apr 08 06:28:05 luke-jr: pay attention to the road. Maximum distraction would be to chat to his/her passengers and listen to the radio or CD. Apr 08 06:28:11 DocScrutinizer: if you don't keep-alive, does it kill the power, or just revert to default behaviour? Apr 08 06:28:21 luke-jr: actually there are statistics that prove that this greatly affects driving, speciall cellphones Apr 08 06:28:24 even in I2C mode you can't do arbitrary nasties to the battery Apr 08 06:28:38 ptl_demands_PR12: maybe if you're actively making turns and such Apr 08 06:28:41 luke-jr: it reverts to default iirc Apr 08 06:28:50 ptl_demands_PR12: otherwise driving is entirely passive to me, like breathing Apr 08 06:29:09 luke-jr: Yeah, but the law doesn't have any good means to discriminate that Apr 08 06:29:22 I do recall last week missing my turn 2 or 3 times <.< Apr 08 06:29:22 most drivers think they are better than "average driver" :) Apr 08 06:29:27 'you will get a fine for drinking coffe while driving, but only if you are turning or in heavy traffic' Apr 08 06:29:40 ptl_demands_PR12: even missing turns, however, is not regulation worthy <.< Apr 08 06:30:12 especially in heavy traffic, I would be bored without something to do ... Apr 08 06:30:30 I agree, but risking lives beats boredom. Apr 08 06:30:35 naxu: well, at least 49% are... Apr 08 06:30:55 ptl_demands_PR12: I question that lives are at risk Apr 08 06:31:19 the only close calls I've had, I wasn't doing anything other than driving boredly Apr 08 06:32:12 but it's not only about you. The problem is that there are people - many people - who will get affected by this stuff and will risk lifes. And by the laws of statistics, you will get more people injured and dead. Apr 08 06:32:40 i'm so glad i got this n900 Apr 08 06:32:48 luke-jr: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=600466&postcount=673 Apr 08 06:32:51 i had the n810 before and had to sell it cause i was a poor ass student Apr 08 06:32:53 ptl_demands_PR12: good point Apr 08 06:33:15 just trying to find some fun programs to dl for it now Apr 08 06:33:23 i really wish there was a garmin xt for this Apr 08 06:33:47 slingr: www.sygic.com - I think it's 60 euros or so. It's a good Assisted GPS program. Apr 08 06:34:00 :o Apr 08 06:34:08 slingr: you can see videos of it running in N900 in youtube. Apr 08 06:34:10 assisted... meaning it needs data? Apr 08 06:34:15 oi! Apr 08 06:34:21 no, means it tells you the directions. Apr 08 06:34:52 nice, thanks Apr 08 06:35:03 yw Apr 08 06:36:21 ptl_demands_PR12: that site is sure slow XD Apr 08 06:36:44 thanks ptl Apr 08 06:37:22 hm. what's the fastest anyone's got it to be stable at? Apr 08 06:37:34 korhojoa: sorry? Apr 08 06:37:38 korhojoa: 900 MHz, I suppose Apr 08 06:37:40 1.1 for a guy on ircnet Apr 08 06:37:56 crashanddie: the n900 Apr 08 06:37:57 I'm tempted to ban overclocking discussions Apr 08 06:37:58 hey, what (if any) version of GLX does fremantle have? Apr 08 06:38:16 sorry. just asking. Apr 08 06:38:20 can you overclock the GPU part? Apr 08 06:38:30 korhojoa: not about you Apr 08 06:38:33 korhojoa: just as a whole Apr 08 06:38:55 korhojoa: I really feel like in a couple of weeks we're going to get a bunch of whiners saying that it's our fault they overclocked and it broke Apr 08 06:39:00 luke-jr: there is one of the kernels from the overclock notice that had an accelerated GPU, I think it was 433 MHz Apr 08 06:39:34 say "baww." then you stick it in the topic Apr 08 06:39:43 crashanddie: i think that would be a very bad move. Isn't n900 marketed as the hackable phone? Apr 08 06:39:59 i'm not clocking mine for this reason. Apr 08 06:40:06 sure, the warranty is void, but see where Intel and AMD are now with their overclocking culture Apr 08 06:40:09 Wolfie: I don't care what the N900 is marketed as, this is #maemo, not overclockersforum.com Apr 08 06:40:10 this sygic looks decent Apr 08 06:40:12 korhojoa: define 'stable' Apr 08 06:40:24 also, a lady next to me just whipped out her n900 Apr 08 06:40:25 crashanddie: oh, you meant for this channel only. Nevermind, then :) Apr 08 06:40:33 korhojoa: the problem with overclocking isn't during usage, it's the shortened lifespan Apr 08 06:40:34 Wolfie: yeah, lol Apr 08 06:40:41 It's just information, you should counteract with better information. Like 'overclocking WILL melt your phone, don't be deceived and you will not have an warranty for this' Apr 08 06:40:56 luke-jr: well, 24+hrs without problems. no lifetime ideas yet Apr 08 06:41:07 Wolfie: or at least keep it within reasonable limits of discussion, not that every noob comes here asking "OMFGZ I want to run Crysis, how do I overclock to 8GHZ??? ZOMG" Apr 08 06:41:17 lol Apr 08 06:41:18 LOL Apr 08 06:41:43 korhojoa: do you feel a difference in performance/usability? Apr 08 06:41:46 well. i'd like to try it for one reason: dosbox and action supercross Apr 08 06:41:53 korhojoa: has the phone quality changed at all? (voice distortion?) Apr 08 06:41:56 crashanddie: not my device. Apr 08 06:42:00 crashanddie: that is much much better, something that's next to impossible to disagree with. I thought you'd just prevent people from ever saying anything about overclocking. :) Apr 08 06:42:03 crashanddie: heh, well, i guess you'd do good to have a short Q&A link that you can refer to which mentions the channel's policies, and the most frequently questioned answers Apr 08 06:42:23 I really need to get to bed Apr 08 06:42:25 night Apr 08 06:42:26 Wolfie: channel policies depend on my mood, really Apr 08 06:42:30 bye luke-jr Apr 08 06:42:37 and that of DocScrutinizer's Apr 08 06:42:41 something in the lined "#maemo is about the platform, not about N900. For more overclocking info, goto urls suchansuch" Apr 08 06:42:46 anyone know if it's a good move to run irssi locally instead of over ssh? i mean, do you save any power? Apr 08 06:42:47 *lines Apr 08 06:42:50 but he's lame, hardly uses the ban hammer in any kind of abusive manner Apr 08 06:43:02 so in other words, policy sez not to tell crashanddie how much he sucks Apr 08 06:43:03 j/k :) Apr 08 06:43:09 can anyone recommend any decent, non-stock repo's i should add to my n900? Apr 08 06:43:13 luke-jr: pretty much Apr 08 06:43:36 Wolfie: a number of people, myself included, consider #Maemo to be about the devices as well Apr 08 06:43:43 Wolfie: I run Gentoo on N810. ;) Apr 08 06:43:57 luke-jr: well, that's hardly anything to do with maemo anymore, has it? Apr 08 06:43:59 slingr: extras-testing, extras-devel *** WARNING WARNING, IT WILL BRICK YOUR DEVICE *** and qole.org *** WARNING WARNING, IT HAS ALREADY BRICKED YOUR DEVICE, BUY ANOTHER *** Apr 08 06:44:04 i'm still notg as fast on the n900 as i was on the e61, find it harder to type with the greater distances. Apr 08 06:44:17 LOL ptl_demands_PR12 Apr 08 06:44:19 ptl_demands_PR12: :D Apr 08 06:44:20 slingr: http://n900.aguilarj.com/?page_id=369 Apr 08 06:44:31 korhojoa: if you screen it properly, you don't get disconnected from IRC everytime your N900 loses connectivity Apr 08 06:44:33 thanks a bunch :D Apr 08 06:44:38 yw! Apr 08 06:44:41 anyways, back to the salt mines (i.e. Eclipse) Apr 08 06:44:42 if N810 cpu is arm1136j-s, what is N900 cpu? Apr 08 06:44:59 Cortex A8 Apr 08 06:45:00 mece: arm1226? Apr 08 06:45:08 crashanddie: which one? ssh or local? Apr 08 06:45:12 (1136 + 90) Apr 08 06:45:13 arm1337zomg Apr 08 06:45:18 korhojoa: ssh Apr 08 06:45:20 for ssh it doesn't matter Apr 08 06:45:21 lol Apr 08 06:45:21 crashanddie, I don't know, that's why I asked.. Apr 08 06:45:32 mece: it was a joke Apr 08 06:45:36 :) Apr 08 06:45:46 ah, you meany on the remote host Apr 08 06:45:48 I realize that... now. Apr 08 06:45:51 y=t Apr 08 06:46:11 korhojoa: yeah, I meant your IRC connection doesn't get interrupted constantly, which can get rather annoying for other users Apr 08 06:46:13 crashanddie: of course screen, i thought everyone did that Apr 08 06:46:42 korhojoa: ctcp version me Apr 08 06:46:45 korhojoa: I think using irssi on the remote host is better if you have a good connection to this host Apr 08 06:47:26 I agree Apr 08 06:47:29 ok, it's armv7-a apparently. Apr 08 06:47:31 korhojoa: or, if you are too keen on running irssi locally, you could maybe use a bnc on the remote host so that you can reenact your conversations Apr 08 06:47:37 oy, luke-jr, didn't allow you! Apr 08 06:47:51 ptl_demands_PR12: i was going to use irssi-proxy Apr 08 06:47:55 I'm using my n900 on Wind Mobile in Canada. I'm getting decent speeds finally :D Apr 08 06:47:57 ptl_demands_PR12: irssi supports bnc features Apr 08 06:48:00 crashanddie: browser? Apr 08 06:48:05 korhojoa: sadly, yes Apr 08 06:48:28 how does that compare to cgi:irc Apr 08 06:48:40 a lot better than cgi::irc Apr 08 06:48:43 not as good as mibbit Apr 08 06:48:48 korhojoa: irssi-proxy? Never used that. Is it better than BNC? Apr 08 06:49:04 I guess I'd use bnc because I sometimes want to use x-chat Apr 08 06:49:19 ptl_demands_PR12: well, if you like being able to connect to a already open connection, it works nicely Apr 08 06:49:30 oh, it's not like that Apr 08 06:49:38 the first irssi becomes the proxy Apr 08 06:49:44 you can connect with anything Apr 08 06:50:04 ie, it's irssi as a bnc Apr 08 06:50:24 i like it better than miau or psyBNC Apr 08 06:50:45 lemme see. Apr 08 06:51:38 dad said not to let strangers touch your bnc. Apr 08 06:51:57 DCC SEND "поɦʞɔпɟ" 0 0 0 Apr 08 06:52:10 o0 Apr 08 06:52:13 what was that? Apr 08 06:52:23 that was someone trying to kill people's connections Apr 08 06:52:31 it says 'fuckyou' upside down Apr 08 06:52:42 :D Apr 08 06:52:46 some DLINK routers reset their connection when that string is passed through Apr 08 06:53:01 expect to see a few ping timeouts in the next few minutes Apr 08 06:53:05 his name was EMPjoe :D Apr 08 06:54:55 someone did that in #debian quite some time ago and like 1\5th of the channel dissappeared Apr 08 06:54:55 haha Apr 08 06:55:14 yeah, I used to do it in #gentoo to prove a point when people were trolling Apr 08 06:56:06 "stop fucking around, or this will happen to you." Apr 08 07:01:03 * ptl_demands_PR12 trying to use irssi proxy Apr 08 07:01:09 hmm Apr 08 07:02:06 for gaming controls, szax would be pretty useful. Works as a dpad, only at a 45 degree angle. Apr 08 07:03:15 mairas: sixaxis ? or what is a szax? Apr 08 07:03:28 mece: whoops. wrong nick Apr 08 07:04:12 korhojoa, szax are s, z, a and x on your keyboard. Apr 08 07:04:24 s = up, z = down, and so on and so forth. Apr 08 07:04:32 ahh Apr 08 07:04:35 for one finger controlling. Apr 08 07:04:50 one thumb Apr 08 07:04:59 good idea Apr 08 07:05:24 I'll test it on openarena. Apr 08 07:06:20 szax and stylus aiming is pretty accurate for gaming, but still missing the ability to fire. Hmm. Apr 08 07:07:15 stylus tap would work I suppose. Apr 08 07:07:31 i suggest one finger on another key Apr 08 07:07:58 right pinky on right arrow? Apr 08 07:09:22 hmm left index finger on proximity! Apr 08 07:09:29 hey that might just work Apr 08 07:10:24 ahh Apr 08 07:10:26 clever Apr 08 07:12:32 korhojoa: what type of proxy is irssi-proxy? Apr 08 07:13:36 ? Apr 08 07:13:49 it's just a irc server, i guess Apr 08 07:14:07 you need to have a build compiled with it Apr 08 07:14:43 IRC Server? Oh, I understood it wrong. Ok, I'll try it. Apr 08 07:16:41 well, in the same sense a bnc is a irc server Apr 08 07:18:33 seriously, fuck. this drains my battery like hell Apr 08 07:18:48 listening to music and using irc over ssh Apr 08 07:19:20 surprise? :) Apr 08 07:19:21 it's down to under 50 in a hour Apr 08 07:19:36 the e61 lasted a LOT longer Apr 08 07:19:49 with ssh and irc? Apr 08 07:20:00 nice, it seems it worked. Apr 08 07:20:08 it's not surprise either Apr 08 07:20:26 so anyone have a good idea how to remove samba-common? Apr 08 07:20:34 I get post removal script error :/ Apr 08 07:21:13 Surfa: what do you mean? Apr 08 07:21:35 i'd have expected this to manage power better Apr 08 07:21:47 ptl_demands_PR12: got it working? good for you Apr 08 07:24:49 korhojoa, you probably have noticed the difference in cpu and screen size/quality.. if you do constantly something, you prevent the device from getting into sleep -> battery draining Apr 08 07:25:27 Surfa: well, yes. this thing has a larger battery though Apr 08 07:25:55 1300 mAh vs 1100 Apr 08 07:26:06 sure, but it has been clear for some years now that battery technologies are developing slower than would be appreciated Apr 08 07:26:32 other technologies are moving a lot faster nowadays.. :( Apr 08 07:26:53 yup Apr 08 07:27:06 should get me one of them external batteries Apr 08 07:27:17 that slim nokia thing looks nice enough Apr 08 07:29:27 korhojoa: yes, it's nice, very nice. Apr 08 07:30:01 you've got it? Apr 08 07:30:10 yes Apr 08 07:30:15 ah, but does it work? Apr 08 07:33:14 Surfa: word Apr 08 07:33:35 hmmm are the missing files for koffice anywhere available ? Apr 08 07:33:40 the qt 4.6 libs Apr 08 07:34:01 and frozen bubble 2 isnt installable on meamo5 Apr 08 07:34:04 missing packages Apr 08 07:34:31 aww Apr 08 07:35:00 well. got to go now, battery low. need to save some for the rest of the day Apr 08 07:44:22 yo dave Apr 08 07:44:58 dneary: comment va? Apr 08 07:46:09 korhojoa: yes, I am configuring all my IRC clients to work with it now. Thanks for the tip. :) Apr 08 07:46:15 Morning Apr 08 07:46:21 crashanddie, Bien bien Apr 08 07:46:26 il pleut Apr 08 07:49:37 Hmm, Ubuntu's kvirc is broken Apr 08 07:52:03 ok tested with openarena and yes, it definately works well. Apr 08 07:52:09 better than accelerometer controls imo. Apr 08 07:52:22 i left the jumping to accelerometer Apr 08 08:03:44 noobmonk3y_ about or actually working? Apr 08 08:03:58 * noobmonk3y_ blinks........ working on a holiday, shocker..... Apr 08 08:04:10 just packing really :( leaving in a few hrs Apr 08 08:04:15 1.0.0.0 is looking good Apr 08 08:04:19 question though Apr 08 08:04:20 yay! Apr 08 08:04:24 ooo go for it Apr 08 08:04:38 is there any point atall in the "current cpu freq" check? Apr 08 08:04:50 well... no kinda... yes and no Apr 08 08:04:55 every time I update the system info the cpu always steps up to max anyway Apr 08 08:04:59 1 you can tell that it is using the cpu Apr 08 08:05:00 so it always reads 600 :P Apr 08 08:05:12 but i want to see what happens with mohammadAG etc Apr 08 08:05:15 as they have overclocked Apr 08 08:05:25 does it erad the lower or upper values there... Apr 08 08:05:32 essentially version 2 needs to have polling :D Apr 08 08:05:52 :D Apr 08 08:06:10 so at the moment, it can just sit there looking pretty :P Apr 08 08:06:32 definitley a big old change from the first released version :D Apr 08 08:06:50 yeah :P Apr 08 08:06:53 right quick ciggy before packing continues, brb Apr 08 08:07:05 I hadnt actually checked out the dead pixel check while it was in devel Apr 08 08:07:32 HealthCheck is it? Apr 08 08:07:35 was going down the list of different colour modes and at the second one while going down was thinking "I wonder if theres a way to move these buttons to check the pixe... ah!" Apr 08 08:10:34 :D Apr 08 08:10:42 lol nidO Apr 08 08:11:07 hehe was thinking of a clever way, but the button was the easiest Apr 08 08:11:25 should probably get that screen to autorotate Apr 08 08:11:37 actually probably need the whole thing to autorotate Apr 08 08:12:17 thatd be nice, I would think recoding the ui to support portrait shouldnt be that troublesome Apr 08 08:12:49 at the mo it is, not go great until 1.2 i think Apr 08 08:13:00 there is a good GTK version but not using gtk :( Apr 08 08:13:37 sorry the recoding bit should be easy, just the detection and auto part lol Apr 08 08:14:06 * konttori would wait until pr1.2 before making the portrait support to any app (mostly as it makes things so much easier) Apr 08 08:15:38 How many time nokia n810 can live with bluetooth powered on and running pidgin? (-; Apr 08 08:16:50 hom do I get the terminal on the sdk? Apr 08 08:17:29 same way as normal isnt it? Apr 08 08:17:42 noobmonk3y_: can't find the package :/ Apr 08 08:18:01 :| sorry havnt used the sdk in a while, hopefully someone here will answer though :D Apr 08 08:18:07 is there no walk through on the forums? Apr 08 08:24:27 sejo: tried installing it from the app manager? Apr 08 08:25:04 sejo: fakeroot apt-get install osso-xterm Apr 08 08:25:25 for some reason the updated scratchbox environment took it off Apr 08 08:25:37 ptl_demands_PR12: thanks! Apr 08 08:25:49 Morning, all Apr 08 08:26:02 Morning Jaffa. Apr 08 08:26:14 sejo: it's in the sdk repositoryu Apr 08 08:26:18 morning Apr 08 08:26:47 noobmonk3y_: youre doing the healthcheck :) app Apr 08 08:26:49 works fine Apr 08 08:28:00 sejo: be prepared, because for some reason the scratchbox terminal only accepts the keypad enter Apr 08 08:28:24 ghostcube, yay! Apr 08 08:28:28 thank you :D :D Apr 08 08:28:41 :) updated to 0.90 yesterday :) Apr 08 08:28:59 ahaaaa and v 1.0 last night :D Apr 08 08:29:04 :O Apr 08 08:29:07 must check Apr 08 08:29:08 sejo: for the normal enter to work, you have to highlight "Ctrl" in the lower window part, then press enter, then undo the highlight Apr 08 08:29:11 it is in extras testing now :D Apr 08 08:29:16 oh cool Apr 08 08:29:17 my chrome build failed miserably Apr 08 08:29:26 with stupid linking errors Apr 08 08:29:39 i'm making relase build this time Apr 08 08:29:46 thk now to get dvorak running on it Apr 08 08:30:51 jacekowski: did you try to build it within easy-debian or the maemo environment (scratchbox)? Apr 08 08:31:10 jacekowski: I have tried here but it was stopping on the part that it tried to import a python2.5 lib onto python 2.3 Apr 08 08:31:35 forgot the lib right now Apr 08 08:31:50 ptl_demands_PR12: i'm building it in scratchbox Apr 08 08:31:58 yeah Apr 08 08:32:03 jacekowski: how did you fix that part? Apr 08 08:32:04 i had to hack python little bit Apr 08 08:32:36 mv /scratchbox/tools/bin/python /scratchbox/tools/bin/python2.3 Apr 08 08:32:40 sudo mv /scratchbox/tools/bin/python /scratchbox/tools/bin/python2.3 Apr 08 08:32:45 that was one Apr 08 08:32:56 and what about the libgl libraries that chromium tries to use? Did you substitute with libgles or tried to compile it without these libs? Apr 08 08:32:59 hmm Apr 08 08:33:02 then i had to modify couple files in /scratchbox/tools/bin/ to use /scratchbox/tools/bin/python2.3 instead of /scratchbox/tools/bin/python Apr 08 08:33:20 and then i had to do similiar trick with python inside scratchbox Apr 08 08:33:34 but that was just matter of changing symlink Apr 08 08:34:06 that one - /scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/usr/bin/python Apr 08 08:34:11 I tried a different approach, I figured it was hardwired to use python 2.5 due to importing that 2.5-only library, so I tried to override python 2.3 with python 2.5 Apr 08 08:34:13 lrwxrwxrwx 1 maemo maemo 18 2010-04-06 16:49 /scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/usr/bin/python -> /usr/bin/python2.5 Apr 08 08:34:41 you have to get rid of that python in /scratchbox/tools/bin/ otherwise it will fail Apr 08 08:34:58 ok... Apr 08 08:35:00 because it's earlier in $PATH Apr 08 08:35:09 right! time for breakfast then a 5 hour drive!!! :D Apr 08 08:35:12 and i don't want to modify $PATH Apr 08 08:35:14 See ya'll laters! Apr 08 08:35:25 I tried to override by adding other paths to the start of the $PATH variable Apr 08 08:35:34 good trip, nomis Apr 08 08:35:39 *noobmonk3y Apr 08 08:36:02 lols Apr 08 08:36:04 chars! Apr 08 08:36:10 someone knows whether I can get the dvorak layout working on the n900 Apr 08 08:36:20 definitely. Apr 08 08:36:28 after all, it uses standard X. Apr 08 08:36:50 just remap and you'll be set. Apr 08 08:37:29 someone knows whether I can get the dvorak layout working on the sdk? Can't seem to find it on google Apr 08 08:38:03 never tried it, I don't know if Xephyr accepts remapping the keys within itself Apr 08 08:39:30 but I changed my N900 keybindings to have a few portuguese characters. Changing to dvorak would just involve more time. Apr 08 08:40:09 just change keymap Apr 08 08:40:18 in whole system Apr 08 08:40:39 jacekowski: ok thx! Apr 08 08:51:43 jacekowski: sorry but cannot find anywhere how to do that with the sdk, got a hint? Apr 08 08:54:48 Can anyone point me to how to overclock - well - underclock - the n900 - how do I set the kernel command line? I tried searching TMO, but my head exploded. Apr 08 08:55:45 sejo: same as with normal linux disto Apr 08 08:55:47 distro* Apr 08 08:56:19 SpeedEvil: you want to have it permanently running at low frequency? Apr 08 08:56:34 jacekowski: /62 Apr 08 08:56:37 nvm Apr 08 08:56:39 jacekowski: no - I want the lower frequency available for scaling. Apr 08 08:57:05 Also - I want to try several freqs and benchmarks for current use with smartreflex on and off - but that's a seperate issue Apr 08 08:57:14 i doubt it's possible Apr 08 08:57:22 what's possible? Apr 08 08:57:31 lower frequency Apr 08 08:59:09 ofc it is, most of the overclocking changes also lower the min freq to 125 Apr 08 08:59:17 problem is, not all devices are stable that low Apr 08 08:59:56 if I do opengl in Qt does that automagically work with gles? Apr 08 08:59:59 hm Apr 08 09:00:19 /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq Apr 08 09:00:28 /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_min_freq Apr 08 09:00:31 Isn't the minimum frequency 125MHz to begin with? :o Apr 08 09:00:43 no 250 is Apr 08 09:00:47 jacekowski: yes - that only exposes frequencies that are allowed. Apr 08 09:00:51 Oh, ok Apr 08 09:01:04 125 is configured but the production units kernels dont allow that Apr 08 09:01:13 jacekowski: note the absence of 125, 900, and 1700MHz Apr 08 09:02:39 moroning Apr 08 09:03:23 :) Apr 08 09:08:00 * DocScrutinizer yawns Apr 08 09:08:52 SpeedEvil: ~/maemo/kernel-source/drivers/cpufreq Apr 08 09:21:17 N900 is a rx51? Apr 08 09:21:21 or rx71? Apr 08 09:21:24 rx51 Apr 08 09:21:25 51 Apr 08 09:22:15 mhm Apr 08 09:22:20 so what is it that rx71? Apr 08 09:22:29 where? Apr 08 09:22:42 something unreleased Apr 08 09:22:47 in kernel sources Apr 08 09:23:17 * linux/arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-rx71.c * * Copyright (C) 2007 Nokia Apr 08 09:23:26 quite old as well Apr 08 09:24:03 There's talk about RX-71 in tmo Apr 08 09:24:05 too bad it's down Apr 08 09:24:11 its not Apr 08 09:24:17 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=27262 Apr 08 09:24:21 It is for me Apr 08 09:24:23 old thread discussing rx71 Apr 08 09:24:30 doesnt really seem to go anywhere tho Apr 08 09:24:31 tmo hasn't worked for me in weeks Apr 08 09:28:59 SpeedEvil: it looks like it's impossible to change that frequency easily Apr 08 09:29:06 SpeedEvil: you would have to recompile kernel Apr 08 09:30:00 :P° Apr 08 09:30:20 SpeedEvil: ~/maemo/kernel-source/arch/arm/mach-omap2/omap3-opp.h Apr 08 09:30:35 line 29 Apr 08 09:30:50 well, it starts in line 24 Apr 08 09:31:00 there is whole struct defining all accepted cpu speeds Apr 08 09:32:48 does it have 1700? :P Apr 08 09:32:52 no Apr 08 09:33:15 there is 125 in one of #define Apr 08 09:34:24 but it looks like it's doing some sort of smooth scaling Apr 08 09:37:08 i wouldn't overclock it without having temperature sensor Apr 08 09:37:57 does it have? I have seen some N900 screenshot with temperature Apr 08 09:39:27 there is temperature sensor in cpu Apr 08 09:39:36 does it really pay off to gain some % of speed with a vastly increased risk of overheating the phone or battery? Apr 08 09:39:52 that theoreticly should cut off clock to cpu if it gets too warm Apr 08 09:40:48 Edheldil: The answer is there's no answer to that question, at least not an agreeable answer Apr 08 09:41:09 or, the answer is a flamewar. Apr 08 09:41:19 Edheldil: have you seen datasheet for cpu inside of n900 Apr 08 09:41:28 nope Apr 08 09:42:15 jacekowski: is it thermically isolated? Apr 08 09:42:36 apart from temperature, there is the problem of electron migration, people told me here. Apr 08 09:42:50 morning Apr 08 09:43:04 electromigration. Apr 08 09:44:59 mhm Apr 08 09:45:03 would not a better option be underclocking to prolong battery life? :) Apr 08 09:45:05 i'm trying to find that datasheet Apr 08 09:45:13 and i can't find it now Apr 08 09:46:52 Edheldil: some people have reported success in underclocking the min freq to 125 and getting better battery life when idle, but some devices also become unstable with a min freq that low Apr 08 09:47:56 Underclocking is not always directly relevant to battery life. Apr 08 09:48:03 additionally, some people are reporting actually getting slightly better battery life by overclocking the max freq as well, if the phone's just used occasionally as processes can race back to idle more quickly Apr 08 09:48:04 You really, really want it to be always idle Apr 08 09:48:47 yeah I think theres some crosstalking there, I assume Edheldil's referring to lowering the min freq, not underclocking the max freq Apr 08 09:49:10 yep Apr 08 09:49:11 could be wrong tho :) Apr 08 09:49:20 thanks for the info Apr 08 09:49:30 first link of electromigration (on ars technica) says that electromigration for overclocking is something of a myth in P2's and it is dependent of temperature Apr 08 09:49:50 in p2's? Apr 08 09:49:50 Hi, all I have submitted a proposal for Pocket Jeeves project in GSOC, I will be pleased if you provide me with your feedback(s) on the proposal, here you are the link for it http://www.4shared.com/file/259640743/fc9804c7/GSOC_Proposal.html Apr 08 09:49:59 temperature being dependent on cfrequency :-P Apr 08 09:50:46 i found it Apr 08 09:50:48 http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/omap3530.pdf Apr 08 09:50:51 link is http://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CAYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Farstechnica.com%2Fcpu%2Foc-myths-2.html&ei=zKW9S_KRGIP8NfH7ldMH&usg=AFQjCNERFeh7EMUnryMdoE8ASio27FPgnA&sig2=ui5sPFAUoQo2LN1Y9Os12w Apr 08 09:51:31 jacekowski: you found what? Apr 08 09:51:36 datasheet Apr 08 09:51:40 N900's datasheet Apr 08 09:51:49 N900's CPU Apr 08 09:51:55 jacekowski: yes. Apr 08 09:52:20 ti website just makes me wanna kill myself Apr 08 09:54:17 page 144 Apr 08 09:54:25 PLL can only generate up to 720MHz Apr 08 09:54:48 (1) OPP6 frequency range is only supported on high-speed grade OMAP3530/25 devices. Apr 08 09:54:48 jacekowski: only supported on high-speed grade OMAP3530/25 devices Apr 08 09:54:51 (2) Cannot boot in OPP1. If OPP1 is desired, boot in higher OPP then switch to OPP1. Apr 08 09:55:00 jacekowski: that's assuming you use recommended PLL settings. Apr 08 09:55:13 im having a curry tonight with a guy that works at arm, be interesting to find out if he can get hold of any internal testing info on the chip Apr 08 09:55:34 jacekowski: the PLL settings are typically not enforced - there is no '125MHz' PLL setting - you setup the frac-n synth to produce the correct output frequency. Apr 08 09:55:37 nidO: Interesting. Apr 08 09:55:40 nidO, you having chips with your curry? :D Apr 08 09:55:40 it's just about their definition of supported Apr 08 09:55:42 nidO: what sort of curry. Apr 08 09:55:51 ill probably be going for a lamb balti! Apr 08 09:55:58 Good choice. Apr 08 09:56:00 and lcuk2, ew no. Apr 08 09:56:11 SpeedEvil: it's DPLL Apr 08 09:56:23 err yes - been reading too much on frac-n synths Apr 08 09:56:45 which are cool, but generally overkill for clock gen Apr 08 09:56:58 it might just refuse to accept any unsupproted freq Apr 08 09:57:07 It doesn't. Apr 08 09:57:11 It just tries to lock them Apr 08 09:57:22 At least based on experience of several processors Apr 08 09:57:47 Basically as the datasheet is - at least somewhat - written after the silicon is produced. Apr 08 09:58:04 So they don't know the best/stablest settings for the pll till they make one Apr 08 09:58:17 Also interlocks for aceptable freqs would cost area Apr 08 09:59:35 just stick little bit of microcode on it Apr 08 10:01:33 There is lottle point trying to user-proof micros, it just confuses people. Apr 08 10:02:31 little* Apr 08 10:02:53 http://bunnitude.com/misc/files/omap/pdf/sprufa5.pdf Apr 08 10:04:25 what is this pdf, jacekowski? Apr 08 10:04:59 It internally generates two main clocks according to the following equations: Apr 08 10:04:59 · CLKOUTX2 = (Fref x 2 x M) / (N+1) Apr 08 10:05:11 that pd Apr 08 10:05:12 f Apr 08 10:05:13 OMAP35xx Applications Processor Apr 08 10:05:14 Power, Reset, and Clock Management Apr 08 10:05:22 only 400 pages Apr 08 10:05:27 sounds geeky to me :) Apr 08 10:05:52 anyone here happen to use Sampo? Apr 08 10:08:35 ~sampo Apr 08 10:09:12 I do, but it's probably not the 'sampo' that you mean. Apr 08 10:10:26 In Finnish mythology, the Sampo was a magical artifact of indeterminate type constructed by Ilmarinen that brought good fortune to its holder Apr 08 10:10:40 It's also a man's name. Apr 08 10:10:53 ...and a bank Apr 08 10:10:58 and an insurance company Apr 08 10:10:58 and whatnot Apr 08 10:11:11 ptl_demands_PR12: Actually it's not an insurance company anymore afaik Apr 08 10:11:23 ok Apr 08 10:12:16 using a man's name sounds crude Apr 08 10:12:24 assume i'm unfortunate enough to need to use the bank Apr 08 10:12:26 MiXu-: so the insurance company that bears a name that brings fortune went bankrupt? Apr 08 10:13:00 technically afaiu, the banking bit got spun off from the other interests Apr 08 10:13:03 shvedsky_: The insurances are now under the brands "If" and "Mandatum Life" Apr 08 10:13:10 right… so... Apr 08 10:13:34 is the bank name 'Sampo Bank', 'SAMPO PANKKI', or '00075 SAMPO PANKKI'? Apr 08 10:13:45 "Sampo pankki" yes Apr 08 10:14:01 www.sampopankki.fi Apr 08 10:14:08 any idea what the heck the 00075 thing is? Apr 08 10:14:17 post number? Apr 08 10:14:37 is that roughly "we're so big, we have our own zip code" ? Apr 08 10:14:58 many organizations have their own zip code Apr 08 10:15:25 Well not many, but some. :) Apr 08 10:16:20 MiXu-: less than 100? :) Apr 08 10:16:31 since 00100 is a human zip code Apr 08 10:16:31 timeless_mbp: probably yes Apr 08 10:16:36 (mine in fact) Apr 08 10:16:59 hi konttori Apr 08 10:17:05 i'm supposed to bug you about something Apr 08 10:17:09 but first i need to do banking Apr 08 10:17:20 and then since there aren't many things certain in life, i need to do taxes... Apr 08 10:17:37 i hope your tax forms comes in english versions too :P Apr 08 10:17:39 cos they don't here Apr 08 10:17:57 oh, this is US taxes Apr 08 10:18:26 SpeedEvil: well to me that sounds like 125MHz is supported, just you can't boot on that Apr 08 10:18:29 * timeless_mbp thinks they come in Spanish, French, probably Chinese, Japanese and Korean Apr 08 10:19:00 I'd hope that 600MHz is used on bootup. Apr 08 10:19:10 Makes things much faster Apr 08 10:19:13 MiXu-: WTF? nope Apr 08 10:19:27 Why not? Apr 08 10:19:56 no system ever boots up in a high clock rate. You always set higher clock *during* boot Apr 08 10:20:38 at least that's sane common sense best practice for all I've learnt so far Apr 08 10:20:47 timeless_mbp: hi Apr 08 10:20:53 so, to the finns here Apr 08 10:20:57 how do you burn money you aren't using? Apr 08 10:21:14 my 'savings' account is earning me 0.04 % Apr 08 10:21:20 or roughly "absolutely nothing" Apr 08 10:21:30 Nice ;) Apr 08 10:21:33 Minus taxes Apr 08 10:21:37 oh yes Apr 08 10:21:43 you can drink your savings Apr 08 10:21:43 the taxes part is really cool Apr 08 10:21:56 one year i think i got ~1 EUR in interest Apr 08 10:22:04 Doc: Makes sense. But I was referring to the clock that's used during OS boot. I don't know anything about the low level stuff. Apr 08 10:22:08 but the taxes were something like 30EURCent Apr 08 10:22:08 timeless_mbp: They invest it in hard liquor. Apr 08 10:22:18 X-Fade: yeah yeah Apr 08 10:22:26 but if i don't drink, and want something harder Apr 08 10:22:31 timeless_mbp: Yeah, it's 28% tax on interest Apr 08 10:22:33 with preferably 0.1% interest Apr 08 10:22:37 MiXu-: that of course should use highest allowable clockrate Apr 08 10:22:43 how would i manage that? Apr 08 10:22:59 I put my spare to funds Apr 08 10:23:11 insurance stock funds mostly Apr 08 10:23:13 konttori: "how"? Apr 08 10:23:31 and does it give you 0.08% or 0.1 %? :) Apr 08 10:23:47 and is it taxed at 60% or 90%? :) Apr 08 10:23:48 timeless_mbp: I get something like 0,5% at the moment Apr 08 10:23:52 go to bank and setup stock insurance. then agree that you are allowed to transfer funds to that from your usual accounts whenever you please and without comission. Apr 08 10:24:21 konttori: Hi! any chance you get a simple value number from hw guys at nokia for us? Apr 08 10:24:30 "Real-time OMX" ? Apr 08 10:24:43 For that 0,5% I need have a savings account with a savings plan. 20e/month currently. :D Apr 08 10:24:46 the 'winning' is taxed at 28% Apr 08 10:25:20 MiXu-: wait is that 0.20 EUR or 20.00 EUR? Apr 08 10:25:28 I'm getting some tens of percents annually, but then again, I'm investing to eastern markets mostly. Apr 08 10:25:29 * timeless_mbp hates euro currency notation Apr 08 10:25:41 although, I do have quite global spread Apr 08 10:25:46 timeless_mbp: 20.00EUR twenty. Apr 08 10:25:59 MiXu-: are you getting more than that in interest each month? Apr 08 10:26:02 (after taxes) Apr 08 10:26:42 timeless_mbp: No no no. I put in 20 euros a month. It's my money. I just need to "keep saving" in order to get that interest. Apr 08 10:26:57 Even though I can take the money out whenever I want and as often as I want. Apr 08 10:26:57 oh, it isn't a fee? Apr 08 10:27:13 No. I'm not charged for using the account. Apr 08 10:27:35 DocScrutinizer: value, as in what freq to use? Well, I'm on daddy month atm, so cannot ask. I do remember that we were talking about checking possibility to drop the lowest clockrate to 125 for pr1.3, but that was uncertain still at that time. Apr 08 10:27:45 MiXu-: so. I currently have a "Resources Account" Apr 08 10:27:50 which gives me 0.04 % Apr 08 10:27:53 konttori: We would need to know the milliOhms of R1129, R1130, R1140 Apr 08 10:28:12 there's a "Savings" account which claims to offer 0.2% to 2.00% Apr 08 10:28:12 konttori: do you think we could get those values from Nokia EE ? Apr 08 10:28:14 sorry, can't dig those out from my home. Apr 08 10:28:16 timeless_mbp: But if you're looking for something to put amounts with at least four figures, I'd go with some sort of funds, like konttori said. Apr 08 10:28:30 konttori: aah, baby vacation still Apr 08 10:28:35 MiXu-: yeah, we're talking medium 4 figures Apr 08 10:28:38 eh? Apr 08 10:28:43 4 figures in a fund? Apr 08 10:28:46 Guys, wtf Apr 08 10:28:57 Hm? Apr 08 10:29:01 4 to 5 figures should be what you have in your savings account Apr 08 10:29:07 crashanddie: the euro isn't doing well against the usd Apr 08 10:29:12 DocScrutinizer: I would write an email to the devs list.  Apr 08 10:29:20 I have 208 euros on my savings account at the moment ;) Apr 08 10:29:20 otherwise i'd send it to the US and pull it into paypal and get better interest Apr 08 10:30:15 > Savings Account Apr 08 10:30:19 ... Apr 08 10:30:20 > The account is not suitable for everyday banking because of it's transaction fees. Apr 08 10:30:34 nice grammar mistake Apr 08 10:30:36 The account is not suitable for native speakers because the idiots writing the text can't spell "its" correctly Apr 08 10:31:53 I don't understand why banks still bother differentiating between savings and current accounts Apr 08 10:32:26 Historically speaking, the high transaction fees existed because the money was physically sent elsewhere, but now it's all digital Apr 08 10:32:31 konttori: thanks :-) Apr 08 10:32:32 because they dont want to pay lots of interest to everyone's normal monthly money in-out Apr 08 10:32:41 ShadowJK: ^^^ Apr 08 10:32:45 nidO: nha, bollocks Apr 08 10:32:47 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/713723 Apr 08 10:32:59 oh, its bollocks? you think banks like paying interest? Apr 08 10:32:59 the only error camino found in the actual agreement is fulfilment Apr 08 10:33:07 The money that's on people's normal accounts is basically a free loan for banks Apr 08 10:33:12 nidO: on my current account I have 3% interest for everything above 1000 gbp Apr 08 10:33:13 exactly. Apr 08 10:33:30 yes, and only above 1000 gbp, and bugger all banks offer that Apr 08 10:33:46 nidO: this account won't give me more than 2% ! Apr 08 10:33:50 nidO: it used to be from 0, but well, banks getting squashed and all... Still, doesn't change much Apr 08 10:34:16 banks dont want to pay interest unless they have to, so most just stick with the status quo of paying bugger all / nothing to current accounts, so that they have people's £700-2000 wages a month as a free loan to them Apr 08 10:34:47 Except it's pretty low-risk for customers Apr 08 10:37:27 When you're young, so 20-30, basically every spare penny should go into high-risk, high-payout medium-length investments Apr 08 10:37:44 this can be a friend's company, a deal from your bank, or stock Apr 08 10:38:24 My next investment will be an apartment. Money well spent. Apr 08 10:38:33 so… a money market? Apr 08 10:38:36 my last investment was an apartment Apr 08 10:38:42 my bank account doesnt like me for it :( Apr 08 10:38:44 emerging equity market? Apr 08 10:38:53 nidO: eh, why? Apr 08 10:38:58 MiXu-: a second one? Apr 08 10:39:04 timeless_mbp: A first one. Apr 08 10:39:06 because its now much sadder than it was before i bought it :P Apr 08 10:39:13 I haven't even graduated yet ;) Apr 08 10:39:22 MiXu-: i've already done that part Apr 08 10:39:29 i'm now at the next stage Apr 08 10:39:33 ah, I see Apr 08 10:39:44 hence my need to burn money faster Apr 08 10:40:01 * GAN900 chuckles at luke-jr's ideas about traffic safety. Apr 08 10:40:02 in the past, i would give away ~6kEUR to one random person each year Apr 08 10:40:05 a 2nd apartment then! Apr 08 10:40:10 I'd go with low-risk funds Apr 08 10:40:13 <_llll_> invest in your pension Apr 08 10:40:19 _llll_: in finland? Apr 08 10:40:24 do i even *have* a pension? Apr 08 10:40:51 <_llll_> oh, foreign :p Apr 08 10:41:01 then setup a pension and invest in it? Apr 08 10:41:24 <_llll_> if you dont have a pension then getting one is proabbly the best thing you could do Apr 08 10:41:25 nidO: in EUR or USD? Apr 08 10:41:33 <_llll_> YUAN Apr 08 10:41:34 timeless would rather sip bacardi on the tropical finnish beaches Apr 08 10:41:40 I dont have a private pension yet :< Apr 08 10:41:41 because atm the EUR is doing badly against the USD Apr 08 10:41:52 which means now is a bad time for me to buy a USD backed pension Apr 08 10:42:04 <_llll_> well a pension is presmably a long-term investment Apr 08 10:42:11 <_llll_> so what they are doing now is irrelevant Apr 08 10:42:24 <_llll_> unless you plan on retireing in the next 5 years Apr 08 10:42:45 <_llll_> in which case, go for the bacardi option Apr 08 10:42:56 absolutely avoid land banks though Apr 08 10:43:03 It's not irrelevant. Because you will likely lose money *now*, if you buy dollars with euros. Apr 08 10:43:10 tropic in Finland needs it more climate change than is currently visible Apr 08 10:43:22 bit more Apr 08 10:43:48 1.2GHz? These people are insane. Apr 08 10:44:03 since i can sit on my EUR now and buy USD later, there's no reason for me to buy USD now Apr 08 10:44:07 you just have to drive device at 88mph Apr 08 10:44:20 konttori: what's the smallest unit you'd buy in a fund? Apr 08 10:44:22 <_llll_> you could also invest in gold or even wine Apr 08 10:44:25 500EUR? Apr 08 10:44:55 gold is a reasonable investment, kinda missed the boat for making a killing out of it tho Apr 08 10:45:20 * timeless_mbp is trying to figure out how T and K funds differ in Sampo's ui Apr 08 10:46:00 javascript:papirdetaljer('FI0008803986%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20AK%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20FI0008803986') EUR 17.55742 07.04.2010 0.00 0.00 % Apr 08 10:46:00 javascript:papirdetaljer('FI0008803978%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20AK%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20FI0008803978') EUR 29.36939 07.04.2010 0.00 0.00 % Apr 08 10:46:41 javascript:papirdetaljer('FI0008810981%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20AK%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20FI0008810981') EUR 1.11622 07.04.2010 0.00 0.00 % Apr 08 10:46:41 javascript:papirdetaljer('FI0008810999%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20AK%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20FI0008810999') EUR 1.28649 07.04.2010 0.00 0.00 % Apr 08 10:46:50 anyone have any idea what those T and Ks are? Apr 08 10:47:10 ? Apr 08 10:47:22 timeless_mbp: well, I have automated couple huldred per month + I sometimes add some thousands on top of that, but I think the smallest possible for those savings / insurance funds was 50 euros. Apr 08 10:47:44 i can't even figure out how to create an account Apr 08 10:48:06 Custody accounts Apr 08 10:48:06 No custody account for this agreement Apr 08 10:48:20 timeless_mbp: T and K? Apr 08 10:48:35 crashanddie: see the 4 listed lines above Apr 08 10:48:49 timeless_mbp: I don't see any Ts or Ks Apr 08 10:49:02 DI India [TK] ... Apr 08 10:49:05 timeless_mbp: go to a bank and ask for advise Apr 08 10:49:30 arg, it's too close to 2pm Apr 08 10:49:30 timeless_mbp: I just see a bunch of javascript Apr 08 10:49:35 but dont use savings accounts Apr 08 10:49:54 konttori: great Apr 08 10:49:54 * konttori goes for a walk with Emilia Apr 08 10:50:08 so i just wasted time creating a useless account and burning account transfers? Apr 08 10:50:13 * timeless_mbp hates this stuff Apr 08 10:59:22 WOOOW! http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcv6dv_pixels-by-patrick-jean_creation that video made my day! Apr 08 11:00:38 * ptl_demands_PR12 loading video Apr 08 11:03:32 anyway to send files via bluetooth on the n900? only place I can find send with bluetooth is if I'm looking at pictures Apr 08 11:03:50 hehehhehehehe Apr 08 11:03:50 use petrovich Apr 08 11:03:55 either install petrovich, or wait for pr1.2 Apr 08 11:03:55 http://gallery.jacekowski.org/main.php?g2_itemId=116 Apr 08 11:03:58 take look Apr 08 11:04:04 google chrome running on N900 Apr 08 11:04:04 or wait for PR 1.2 Apr 08 11:04:07 native build Apr 08 11:04:11 wow Apr 08 11:04:18 not using any gentoo/debian chroots Apr 08 11:04:21 jacekowski: have the .deb? Apr 08 11:04:26 not yet Apr 08 11:04:29 jacekowski, thumbs up :) Apr 08 11:04:31 i have .tar.gz Apr 08 11:04:32 congrats Apr 08 11:04:43 jacekowski, would package it for you if you want Apr 08 11:04:53 would not say no to a package of that Apr 08 11:04:55 sure Apr 08 11:05:02 hows it compare to microb performance wise? Apr 08 11:05:02 * MohammadAG is currently compiling gparted - entering a dependency loop Apr 08 11:05:49 nidO: don't know yet Apr 08 11:06:08 jacekowski, got any links to the tar.gz? If you don't mind Apr 08 11:06:38 MohammadAG: deploop with gparted? Apr 08 11:07:03 hrw, well atm, configure: error: Your version of libreadline is too old to be used. Apr 08 11:07:11 is there a guide to solve the dependencies and issues with scratchbox compiling? I am fighting with debhelper now, by trying to compile libwww-curl-perl. Apr 08 11:07:34 and for some reason I doubt that's upgradable on the N900 Apr 08 11:07:43 at least not without breaking a dependency or two Apr 08 11:08:06 it is not dep loop Apr 08 11:08:32 Yeah, and I can't compile the most recent debhelper because no matter what I do to override PERL5LIB, it always tries to use devkit's paths. Apr 08 11:08:44 gparted > libparted > libreadline > still to be found.... Apr 08 11:08:59 one of my favourite time lapse videos: http://vimeo.com/8525356 Apr 08 11:09:02 shame the sound is gone Apr 08 11:09:02 MohammadAG: i'm making .deb Apr 08 11:09:13 jacekowski, cool :) Apr 08 11:09:21 i just need to read up how to do it for maemo Apr 08 11:09:26 stuff should go to /opt? Apr 08 11:09:45 and i'm not sure what to do with one required library Apr 08 11:09:53 which isn't present Apr 08 11:09:57 jacekowski, package the library Apr 08 11:10:03 then package chrome Apr 08 11:10:13 don't worry about /opt since it's a development build Apr 08 11:10:15 library goes to /opt as well? Apr 08 11:10:22 it won't fit on / Apr 08 11:10:29 most of the libraries don't work in /opt but you can try Apr 08 11:10:35 how big is it? Apr 08 11:10:37 it's almost 50M after unpacking Apr 08 11:10:51 hmm, try moving it into /opt then Apr 08 11:10:57 maemo-optify is the easiest way Apr 08 11:11:10 (maemo-optify-deb if you have a deb file ready) Apr 08 11:13:47 jacekowski: you can use maemo-optify-deb after packaging Apr 08 11:14:20 morning Apr 08 11:14:30 MohammadAG: do you have any idea how can I compile the most recent debhelper to proceed with my libwww-curl-perl compilation? Apr 08 11:14:30 ptl_demands_PR12, most of the time it doesn't work with libraries Apr 08 11:14:40 MohammadAG: I didn't know that... Apr 08 11:14:53 download the .tar.gz, unpack and compile Apr 08 11:15:01 (I make it sound too easy don't I :P) Apr 08 11:15:03 tried with the source deb package Apr 08 11:15:10 don't use debs Apr 08 11:15:16 always compile the source Apr 08 11:15:27 yeah, but I entered the source tree and tried dpkg-buildpackage Apr 08 11:15:33 that should work, shouldn't it? Apr 08 11:15:38 <_llll_> what, why not use the deb? Apr 08 11:15:39 I have all build dependencies Apr 08 11:15:42 crashanddie, that video makes the digger look really cute somehow. Apr 08 11:15:48 Joikuspt updated Apr 08 11:15:50 <_llll_> debuild is a good command Apr 08 11:15:57 is TMO down? Apr 08 11:16:03 _llll_, if it's a debian build you'll most likely break dependencies Apr 08 11:16:12 mece: yeah, it seems extremely gentle... reminds me of dog in Half Life 2 Apr 08 11:16:21 hmm, I appear to have lost my admin privs too, ah well Apr 08 11:16:24 nope Apr 08 11:16:33 err.. Apr 08 11:16:34 (which would break mp-fremantle-generic-pr on the N900 - breaking SSU) Apr 08 11:16:37 <_llll_> break dependencies? Apr 08 11:16:40 lardman, no, it's not down Apr 08 11:16:52 its not right now Apr 08 11:16:54 ah, must be my connection then Apr 08 11:16:59 working again now, thanks Apr 08 11:17:00 but it's been yoyoing up and down for the past hour or two Apr 08 11:17:07 _llll_, if it uses a debian dependency (not one build for maemo), the dependency will be upgraded, breaking SSU Apr 08 11:17:19 if you don't mind breaking SSU, go ahead Apr 08 11:17:27 if you compiled the deb, no problem in using it Apr 08 11:17:38 <_llll_> not following... i thought he wanted to build the debhelper package Apr 08 11:18:56 ptl_demands_PR12, did you get the deb from the debian repositories or did you build it? Apr 08 11:19:01 WTF? 50MB lib?! libboost or what? Apr 08 11:19:06 lol Apr 08 11:19:45 timeless: you still work for Nokia? Apr 08 11:19:54 * DocScrutinizer always thought optification is done in a postinstall script Apr 08 11:20:24 MohammadAG: from the ubuntu repositories, apt-get source Apr 08 11:20:32 is tmo down again? :( Apr 08 11:20:32 A very good read, send this to the Nokia UI crew too: http://fontfeed.com/archives/ipad-typography/ Apr 08 11:20:35 timeless: ^ Apr 08 11:20:37 I recommend to rename libboost to libbust Apr 08 11:20:38 on holiday 2 hours and on your phone + irc already Noobmonk3y? Apr 08 11:20:41 also, yes Apr 08 11:20:46 ptl_demands_PR12, then you built the deb? if so, there's no problem when using it Apr 08 11:20:47 meh Apr 08 11:21:00 * timeless looks up Apr 08 11:21:07 lol nidO waiting for a few peeps b4 we leave Apr 08 11:21:11 http://www.tietokone.fi/uutiset/nokia_n900_paasee_kovaan_kayttoon Apr 08 11:21:15 sp... Apr 08 11:21:28 Noobmonk3y, update joikuspot Apr 08 11:21:30 MohammadAG: no, I couldn't, because when running the debhelper setup, it stops because it seems to use old libraries from the current debhelper Apr 08 11:21:37 Noobmonk3y, no, it's just you. Apr 08 11:21:41 joiku update today? Apr 08 11:21:44 and why would a properly linked lib in opt/ not work? Apr 08 11:21:44 sampo tells me theykhave a savings account that offers 1.5pct instead of 0.2pct Apr 08 11:21:55 just on 3g atm Apr 08 11:21:56 they just sell it "under the table" Apr 08 11:22:09 ptl_demands_PR12, well try using the deb, although I doubt it'll work Apr 08 11:22:10 i'm so glad to discover i bank with a dishonest bank Apr 08 11:22:37 MohammadAG: http://pastebin.com/e1fXx3Va Apr 08 11:22:43 using the deb? which deb? Apr 08 11:22:51 timeless, which bank is that? Apr 08 11:22:57 sampopankki Apr 08 11:23:12 meh arn't all banks useless? Apr 08 11:23:12 sounds dodgy Apr 08 11:23:21 timeless, ok, not mine then :) Although there's no doubt mine is dishonest too. Apr 08 11:23:25 I'm very happy with my bank :) Apr 08 11:23:34 There's two kinds of people Apr 08 11:23:47 Those who have bank/money problems Apr 08 11:23:48 I'm going to a childrens playground with FC Inter, sponsored by my bank today :D Apr 08 11:23:52 And those who have tax problems. Apr 08 11:23:52 go figure Apr 08 11:23:58 I thought there are 10 kinds of people Apr 08 11:24:19 the ones that can read binary, and those who cant Apr 08 11:24:22 there are if you're trying to be funny a decade ago Apr 08 11:24:22 there were** Apr 08 11:24:50 I thought it was 2 kinds: "Idiots and me" Apr 08 11:25:03 DocScrutinizer, that was poor........ Apr 08 11:25:41 timeless: PM Apr 08 11:25:48 you didn't like it? so sorry Apr 08 11:25:52 :) Apr 08 11:25:55 Stskeeps, luke-jr, DocScrutinizer: I think on N8x0 you can actually do pretty nasty things to the battery. When digging mailing lists I came across almost no info, except someone found the register by which to set the proportion of on/off on the charging PWM, which is basically all the info you need to unleash the device's full go-boom potential... On N900 there is an actual, real, and sensible charger, that apart from implementing the proper charging alg Apr 08 11:26:02 orithm itself, also has overcurrent, overvoltage and bad input voltage protection/rejection.. so I don't see either how you'd make it do anything stupid Apr 08 11:26:06 there are 2 kinds of people, people who classify people as two kinds and people who do not (this is from the Murphy's Law book) Apr 08 11:26:15 aaaggaa Apr 08 11:26:19 er Apr 08 11:26:22 aahaha I means Apr 08 11:26:34 now itmo is down apparently. Apr 08 11:26:36 ShadowJK: thought so Apr 08 11:26:37 tmo Apr 08 11:26:51 ptl_demands_PR12, what if someone classifies people on one day and doesn't on the next? Apr 08 11:26:56 ShadowJK: thanks. My words though Apr 08 11:27:03 which group does he belon to? Apr 08 11:27:07 +g Apr 08 11:27:09 Surfa: people can change. Apr 08 11:27:23 but on the whole, which group is correct for him? Apr 08 11:27:39 Surfa: it just change groups by time, no big deal Apr 08 11:27:45 jacekowski, did you modify anything to build chrome? Apr 08 11:27:52 ptl_demands_PR12: I think you'll find murphy was of the people with tax issues... Apr 08 11:28:15 and btw, you can see that category very easily in here Apr 08 11:28:24 there's people with macs Apr 08 11:28:26 ptl_demands_PR12, well, some logical issues there.. but never mind Apr 08 11:28:33 ptl_demands_PR12: use the debhelper7 package Apr 08 11:28:38 and then there's the tightasses that went for "I'm a PC" Apr 08 11:28:50 So the reason bme is closed right now, for N900, I could guess from the bme charge state reporting and from the leaked schematics... The charge reporting is too different from bq27200's reporting, and it's too good to be based on voltage readings from bq27200... I note that from the leaked schematics, cellmo side gazoo has access to the required information for charge metering... So my guess is that bme talks to the cellphone side of N900, and this is pro Apr 08 11:28:56 ShadowJK: so why not put exactly this statement on devel ML? Apr 08 11:28:56 bably the biggest obstacle? Apr 08 11:30:00 And then it's an open question what happens if you don't have bme shut down the device in a timely manner, does similar stuff happen on N900 as did on SmartQ? :) Apr 08 11:30:03 ShadowJK: doesn't this technically mean that we can make a open bme but with different reading? Apr 08 11:30:40 what happened on SmartQ? Apr 08 11:30:45 gotta love battery-eye Apr 08 11:30:57 my n900's battery level has been going up for the past 4 hours according to it Apr 08 11:30:58 t-tan: wow, that was something I just slipped. Thanks very much. Nevertheless, I'd still like to solve issues like that, do you have a guide or directions? Apr 08 11:31:49 Stskeeps, yes, yes it does Apr 08 11:31:58 make: dh: Command not found Apr 08 11:32:14 and I can't install make-dh, no candidate. Apr 08 11:32:21 Stskeeps, and it can be implemented in busybox sh script Apr 08 11:32:31 ShadowJK: btw to all my understanding bq27200 should be better/more accurate than any bme-algo wrt capacity tracking of a standard battery Apr 08 11:32:44 kinda Apr 08 11:32:53 it has some setup issues... Apr 08 11:32:55 after a proper learning cycle Apr 08 11:33:06 and we can't afaik tweak the eeprom Apr 08 11:33:41 neh, we can't afaik. As it needs 20V progvoltage Apr 08 11:34:11 at least for bq27000 that's the problem iirc Apr 08 11:34:31 so, 'open Apr 08 11:34:36 ' charging on n900 would be safe? Apr 08 11:34:53 open what? Apr 08 11:35:07 ticket? Apr 08 11:35:12 thread? Apr 08 11:35:18 Open charging. Apr 08 11:35:22 as in, no matter what instructions you sent to the chips, it would not kill the battery? Apr 08 11:35:25 Hi! Using the built-in, sliding, physical keyboard of the N900, how can I input characters like an asterisk? Apr 08 11:35:37 Stskeeps: yep, almost Apr 08 11:35:47 what's the 'almost'? Apr 08 11:35:50 there's exactly one setting that's a bit fishy Apr 08 11:36:03 ebzzry: asterisk is fn a Apr 08 11:36:22 nidO: I want to do it in a contact details window, in the number area. Apr 08 11:36:32 that's maximum charge voltage which can go as high as 4V4x, which is a bit above the commonly used 4V2 Apr 08 11:36:53 ebzzry: then its just a Apr 08 11:37:01 ptl_demands_PR12: what is the issue? I just joined the channel Apr 08 11:37:15 nidO: Hmm, that did it. Thanks Apr 08 11:37:34 t-tan: http://pastebin.com/e1fXx3Va Apr 08 11:37:59 my guess is the cell used in a standard Nokia battery for N900 would stand that voltage for quite a while, but wpould wear rapidly Apr 08 11:38:57 ptl_demands_PR12: all those issues are solved in debhelper7 Apr 08 11:39:08 so, can you propose a charging algorithm and make a proof of why this will not blow up a battery? :P Apr 08 11:39:20 iv been wondering for a while exactly what design constraint limits the bl-5j to 1320mah :( Apr 08 11:39:24 but still you need to set this very intentionally, and no closed source will stop a user from messing with I2C directly to do that, even without noticing maybe Apr 08 11:39:27 t-tan: I installed it, should I uninstall the regular debhelper? I think it'll try to install maemo-dev or something like that Apr 08 11:40:10 Stskeeps: we basically got no charging algorithm, and we don't need such an algorithm. It's all in hardware Apr 08 11:40:43 ptl_demands_PR12: no, they can coexist. you need to add two lines in your rules file to use it (see pkg description) Apr 08 11:41:12 Stskeeps: and the proof for that is simply the bq24140 datasheet Apr 08 11:41:14 ok Apr 08 11:41:43 DocScrutinizer, on N8x0 the charge voltage can spike to 4.4, at around 4.5 bme does abort() and the device reboots.. and since N8x0 hardware is incapable of proper charge current management, a battery with very high internal resistance causes N8x0 to enter reboot loops on charger :) Apr 08 11:42:12 shadowjk: nice Apr 08 11:42:13 hehe Apr 08 11:42:35 obviously N810 bat mgmt is abyssmal crap Apr 08 11:42:39 hw wise Apr 08 11:42:52 Hi guys ! Apr 08 11:42:56 that's the reason for BME heritage Apr 08 11:43:08 (damn I said same words before) Apr 08 11:43:28 So I didn't realize at first why this was happening, I just saw bme dying, so I thought I'll just run it from the shell in a god damn while true; bme ; done ... hour later i discoverd a very hot N810 :) Apr 08 11:43:35 DocScrutinizer: so the charging voltage stuff is public knowledge? Apr 08 11:43:37 can this happen w/ an official nokia battery? Apr 08 11:43:40 Stskeeps, yes Apr 08 11:43:45 Stskeeps: yes Apr 08 11:43:46 hello Apr 08 11:44:06 hmm Apr 08 11:44:14 how to add shortcut to menu? Apr 08 11:44:14 timeless: (bootloop?) yes Apr 08 11:44:55 IR of the lipo will increase over time/cycles. Apr 08 11:44:58 I think my N810 is in that state, when its sitting on the charger it randomly reboots Apr 08 11:45:00 jacewoski: power menu? Apr 08 11:45:02 ShadowJK: yikes. The selfdestruct script Apr 08 11:45:09 DocScrutinizer, yep :) Apr 08 11:45:15 good to know its probably just the battery :P Apr 08 11:45:25 DocScrutinizer, needless to say, I am no longer using that battery. Ever Apr 08 11:45:51 Kegetys: same here o.O DUH Apr 08 11:46:18 timeless: i mean in a .dev Apr 08 11:46:19 .deb Apr 08 11:46:20 DocScrutinizer: so, cooking it down, you can make a description of how to charge a n900 battery safely using public information and provide statements why it is safe? Apr 08 11:46:32 and where the pitfalls are and why this is already public info Apr 08 11:46:33 shadowjk: did you send it to nokia? Apr 08 11:46:44 Stskeeps: yep, I can Apr 08 11:46:50 timeless, the battery? Past its 6 month warranty. Apr 08 11:46:54 jacekowski: what kind of "menu"? and when? Apr 08 11:47:26 hildon menu Apr 08 11:47:30 i'm making a package Apr 08 11:47:36 and i want app to appear in menu Apr 08 11:47:46 what "menu"? Apr 08 11:47:58 I ve also got a battery which was hot during charge on my n810 ... the original one ... and it also prevent back cover to be close Apr 08 11:48:10 as the battery grow in size :) Apr 08 11:48:14 is this the icon view@that ets people run apps like "Web"? Apr 08 11:48:22 DocScrutinizer: might be useful to note that the situation is completely different than in n8x0 Apr 08 11:48:37 Khertan, that is dangerous Apr 08 11:48:41 hheget vrid of that pregnant battery - then duck and cover ;-P Apr 08 11:48:48 shit Apr 08 11:48:58 Khertan: get rid of... Apr 08 11:49:01 ShadowJK : Clearly ... Apr 08 11:49:20 I ve return it to a nokia repair shop Apr 08 11:49:30 Pregnant teens, pregnant batteries, I don't know which one is the bigger accident Apr 08 11:49:38 lol ! Apr 08 11:49:48 if the battery miscaries... Apr 08 11:50:09 hum pregnant battery could burn ... and fix the pregnant teens issue Apr 08 11:50:19 hope it doesnt - khertan will be paying paternity to duracell for the rest of his life Apr 08 11:50:21 before the problem happens Apr 08 11:50:24 all for one night of passion with a AA Apr 08 11:50:31 lol Apr 08 11:50:41 Salut lcuk ! Apr 08 11:50:51 \o Apr 08 11:52:00 * Khertan is looking at what toppic is hot since one week on t.m.o Apr 08 11:52:13 lol: http://revision3.com/oneoff/unboxpornipad Apr 08 11:52:28 salut Khertan, yo lcuk Apr 08 11:52:36 crashanddie: 404 Apr 08 11:52:45 hum .... 1.1 Ghz overclock Apr 08 11:52:46 lol Apr 08 11:52:55 Hi crashanddie Apr 08 11:53:39 Khertan: beagleboard kernel has even 1.2GHz step Apr 08 11:53:44 some didn't fear to not have children with a such overclocked device in the pocket Apr 08 11:53:50 MiXu-: sorry: http://revision3.com/unboxingporn Apr 08 11:54:00 alright, that works :) Apr 08 11:54:12 hrw: yep ... but beagleboard doesn t stay in your pocket Apr 08 11:54:16 :) Apr 08 11:54:27 DocScrutinizer, SmartQ has a Sandisk emmc that autobricks itself if the voltage drops too low. There were some casualties.. Apr 08 11:55:25 MUHAHA Apr 08 11:56:07 well, proper lowvolt emergency shutdown isn't exactly a BME domain anyway Apr 08 11:56:08 I always knew Sandisk were full of shit, but I never quite realized the depths of it :) Apr 08 11:56:22 * SpeedEvil wonders on RFI from CPU at 900, and GSM at 900 Apr 08 11:56:42 SpeedEvil: good point Apr 08 11:56:51 * timeless thanks someone for the font-iPad article Apr 08 11:56:59 DocScrutinizer, oh that's an interesting topic actually, I'm not sure if N900 has a hardware cutoff Apr 08 11:57:06 * timeless will try to pass it on internally Apr 08 11:57:18 L3&L4, iirc, only says Gaia will prevent startup on low voltage Apr 08 11:57:55 font-ipad? Apr 08 11:58:23 ShadowJK: GAIA Apr 08 11:58:49 should do that via kernel (probably apmd / acpid) Apr 08 11:59:29 CPU should get an IRQ on lowvolt detect, which I guess is GAIA's job Apr 08 11:59:31 Oh wait, it does say GAIA Cutoff voltage 2.7V Apr 08 11:59:40 yep Apr 08 11:59:53 jacekowski: when you have the package ready, please share... I am surely interested :) Apr 08 12:01:00 DocScrutinizer, so when LCD runs on 2.8V, and µSD 1.8-3.0..? :) Apr 08 12:01:46 :-) the wonders of auto-stepup/down converters Apr 08 12:01:48 this is more of a "No BME at all" territory though Apr 08 12:02:28 oh I didn't know gaia did stepup :) Apr 08 12:04:37 ptl_demands_PR12: it's ready Apr 08 12:04:44 i'm sending it to my server Apr 08 12:04:48 I'm not sure about it, but very probably it does Apr 08 12:04:50 and i need somebody to test it Apr 08 12:05:10 mhm Apr 08 12:05:14 hildon failed me Apr 08 12:05:45 jacekowski: do you have ARMEL and X86 deb's or only ARMEL? Apr 08 12:05:50 only armel Apr 08 12:05:55 btw if somebody missed it: very smae bq24150 battery charger chip also *definitely* is able to provide VBUS 5V for a potential USB hostmode Apr 08 12:06:09 If it's optified, I can test it right now Apr 08 12:06:10 I wonder how long until, or if dsme would at all notice a killall -STOP bme_RX-51 :) Apr 08 12:06:16 it's optified Apr 08 12:06:25 can you /dcc send it to me? Apr 08 12:06:27 i'm not sure why there is no icon in menu Apr 08 12:06:35 i can http send it to you Apr 08 12:06:38 ShadowJK: it's easy to test Apr 08 12:06:45 ok Apr 08 12:06:47 not even the blue icon? Apr 08 12:06:53 but it has to finish uploading Apr 08 12:06:54 no Apr 08 12:06:55 there's a bug of icons not updating after installing Apr 08 12:06:59 oh... Apr 08 12:07:13 but it's probably my fault Apr 08 12:07:43 DocScrutinizer, oh do you have any idea what bme would do with the adc on gaia? afaict gaia's madc driver is open and documented.. I'm just not sure what bme uses it for :) Apr 08 12:08:13 Oh right, battery temperature sensor Apr 08 12:08:16 SpeedEvil: ShadowJK: Stskeeps: (hostmode) so for all I can guess USB host mode on N900 actually *is possible* Apr 08 12:08:56 ShadowJK: EXACTLY Apr 08 12:09:01 oops capslock Apr 08 12:09:51 DocScrutinizer, GAIA ADCIN0 --> BTEMP "R1110 10K", GAIA ADCIN4 --> BSI Apr 08 12:09:53 :) Apr 08 12:10:06 yoh Apr 08 12:10:20 what? Apr 08 12:10:27 but isn't it physically impossible? Apr 08 12:10:48 ptl_demands_PR12: huh? Apr 08 12:10:58 DocScrutinizer: I find it weird that it's missing kernel stuff, since hostmode in the beagleboard is working OK afaik? Apr 08 12:11:06 DocScrutinizer: isn't USB Host mode dependent on hardware that is not there? Apr 08 12:11:12 just means the battery temp sensor is on-device... probably behind one of those metal springs under the battery Apr 08 12:11:28 ptl_demands_PR12: see above statement - it contains all the info Apr 08 12:12:05 [09:05:53] btw if somebody missed it: very smae bq24150 battery charger chip also *definitely* is able to provide VBUS 5V for a potential USB hostmode Apr 08 12:12:08 this one? Apr 08 12:13:09 http://nienhueser.de/blog/?p=95 < Marble 'N Maemo Apr 08 12:13:14 ptl_demands_PR12: jury still is out on 1707 PHY chip switching the pullup-R for device mode to the pulldowns for hostmode (or was it other way round?), but hostmode *can* work without that switching Apr 08 12:13:53 ptl_demands_PR12: yes, plus this one: [2010-04-08 14:08:15] SpeedEvil: ShadowJK: Stskeeps: (hostmode) so for all I can guess USB host mode on N900 actually *is possible* Apr 08 12:13:56 DocScrutinizer: can haz host mode? Apr 08 12:14:29 solder free host mode? Apr 08 12:14:38 yes Apr 08 12:14:44 mere sw issue Apr 08 12:15:04 * C-S-B-N900 is fed up of solder after he burnt his little finger jtagging a 360 for someone. Apr 08 12:15:28 well if it is sw only, what reason is there for nokia not including. Apr 08 12:15:41 ptl_demands_PR12: jacekowski.org/maemo/ Apr 08 12:15:46 ptl_demands_PR12: both .debs Apr 08 12:15:53 cert. It's not conforming all the mandatory standards Apr 08 12:15:56 woot, archos got returned finally Apr 08 12:16:04 ptl_demands_PR12: but i need somebody to tell me why it doesn't like my .desktop file Apr 08 12:17:27 I should solder a bit today Apr 08 12:17:30 DocScrutinizer: well good find. :) Apr 08 12:17:41 Ill assume its just a bit flip? Apr 08 12:17:46 anybody here familiar with hildon desktop and .desktop files? Apr 08 12:17:52 My car's central locking system probably has some damaged leads that need soldering :P Apr 08 12:18:28 MiXu-: diy, my finger is in recovery Apr 08 12:19:02 say, hows your job hunt going Apr 08 12:19:06 C-S-B-N900: a little bit more than that. You need the proper hostmode kernel drivers, and you need some cruft which probably was planned to go to bme but is missing for same reasons as the kerneldrivers Apr 08 12:19:43 nidO: havent really pushed much as I have interview tomoz. Apr 08 12:19:53 overpaid wintel support role. Apr 08 12:20:09 overpaid jobs suck when im not doing them :( Apr 08 12:20:44 jacekowski: thanks! will get Apr 08 12:21:17 anyway, USB is basically no directional bus, it can talk and listen to the differential D+/- line in host and device mode in the same way. So it's just a question of the driver to 'talk host' Apr 08 12:21:28 nidO: ukfast never got back to me. Apr 08 12:21:33 ptl_demands_PR12: don't install it yet Apr 08 12:21:40 dickheads Apr 08 12:21:42 ptl_demands_PR12: my hildon desktop just died Apr 08 12:21:51 lol,strong but yeah. Apr 08 12:21:54 and i'm not sure if it's related Apr 08 12:22:09 nidO: when is your comapny opening a slot? Apr 08 12:22:38 all above without any waranty. It's just how I understand things work Apr 08 12:23:04 thanks DocScrutinizer, i appreciate the research. Apr 08 12:23:29 C-S-B-N900: no idea on specifics, probably going to be needing more staff inside of 4-6 months though Apr 08 12:24:23 * DocScrutinizer away to get a N900 Apr 08 12:25:07 DocScrutinizer: a new one? Apr 08 12:25:52 yup, need one to play with to bring free bme and hostmode to you, another one for actual phone usage Apr 08 12:26:44 s/free bme/bme-free ;-P Apr 08 12:27:03 jacekowski: ok Apr 08 12:27:31 DocScrutinizer: are ypu rich. Apr 08 12:27:46 nope, I'm totally broke Apr 08 12:28:13 as I cant see how, with gay abandon, one can just "get another n900" Apr 08 12:28:51 well if one was inclined, one could buy the one that fake broke, he offered to sell that for next to nothing Apr 08 12:29:09 works fine other than him smashing the lcd, and thats cheap to replace Apr 08 12:29:15 well, no food, and ultranice guy who's appreciating what I do Apr 08 12:29:18 or just leave as-is, if it's purely a dev device Apr 08 12:29:54 jacekowski: maybe your desktop file is too fancy, you might try to trim it down... or maybe it's not the right location, I see that there aren't many .desktop files in /usr/share/applications Apr 08 12:30:58 there is more in /usr/share/applications/hildon Apr 08 12:31:04 and i moved it there on my phone Apr 08 12:31:07 jacekowski: seems like the kind of person to have a fancy desktop file. Apr 08 12:31:22 ok Apr 08 12:31:41 i moved it to that hildon subfolder Apr 08 12:31:44 and changed it to Apr 08 12:31:56 http://pastebin.com/S0S3Dvgn Apr 08 12:31:58 on my phone Apr 08 12:31:59 by 'too fancy' I mean the translations and such Apr 08 12:32:00 and it's still no bo Apr 08 12:32:02 no go Apr 08 12:32:19 i'll try restarting Apr 08 12:32:33 maybe it's just watching for new files Apr 08 12:32:57 RST38h: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcXtT3rZcqg Apr 08 12:33:46 nidO: reference please Apr 08 12:33:48 i just gave up Apr 08 12:33:51 that's not working Apr 08 12:33:58 :( Apr 08 12:34:03 DocScrutinizer: to fake's n900? Apr 08 12:34:07 yep Apr 08 12:34:26 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=599483&postcount=597 Apr 08 12:34:43 pictures of the broke phone are at Apr 08 12:34:44 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=598104&postcount=583 Apr 08 12:37:18 does anybody have any ideas? Apr 08 12:37:37 I don't. :( Apr 08 12:37:50 nidO: I ordered his stands Apr 08 12:37:56 same Apr 08 12:38:06 but it takes a long time to get to Brazil Apr 08 12:38:21 mine got to the uk in 3 days, was well impressed Apr 08 12:38:54 tempted to order some more as he's got non-slip acrylic ones now, and a couple of styli as well Apr 08 12:39:49 openssh-server + 24/7 server + scratchbox = compiling on the go :) Apr 08 12:49:15 grr Apr 08 12:50:45 * ShadowJK was having fun unpacking 2 flags, one 2 bit integer and one signed 4bit integer from a byte in bq27200 eeprom, with busybox sh arithmetic, and nano (on device) segfaulted and ate my code >:-( Apr 08 12:51:36 :/ Apr 08 12:51:40 fun fun fun Apr 08 12:51:48 i've tried to rename one of .desktop files Apr 08 12:51:49 I suggest awk Apr 08 12:52:08 and it disappeared from hildin Apr 08 12:52:12 after simple rename Apr 08 12:53:35 weird Apr 08 12:53:58 someone remind me to ask crashanddie about fortezza :) Apr 08 13:04:46 fun fun fun Apr 08 13:04:51 i've tried different thing Apr 08 13:05:30 i've renamed my chrome-browser.desktop to mc.desktop ( that icon already existed ) Apr 08 13:05:34 and it worked Apr 08 13:05:37 mc icon is gone Apr 08 13:05:41 and it's replaced by chrome Apr 08 13:05:48 so WTF? Apr 08 13:05:58 Morning Apr 08 13:11:54 jacekowski: isn't there something on the development guide? maybe you have to register your desktop file, or something? Apr 08 13:12:04 hmm, has anyone written a control panel plugin to allow transitions, etc., to be disabled? Apr 08 13:12:48 jacekowski: could be a dbus thing, or does chrome come with a dbus service file too? Apr 08 13:13:29 no Apr 08 13:13:35 i think i know where is the problem Apr 08 13:13:42 /uetc/xdg/menus Apr 08 13:13:45 /etc/xdg/menus Apr 08 13:13:52 there is a list of all .desktop files Apr 08 13:14:02 ptl_demands_PR12: have you tried installing it Apr 08 13:14:11 because i might be catorise problem Apr 08 13:14:21 jacekowski: No, because you said I shouldn't Apr 08 13:14:28 I don't use catorise Apr 08 13:14:43 should I install? Apr 08 13:15:03 where's this chrome browser then? Apr 08 13:15:44 jacekowski.org/maemo/ Apr 08 13:15:49 ptl_demands_PR12: try Apr 08 13:16:06 jacekowski: sure, just a minute, will transfer to my N900 Apr 08 13:16:09 hmm, big, will have to clear some space this evening Apr 08 13:16:46 installing it... Apr 08 13:18:00 no icon Apr 08 13:18:00 hm, overclocked N900s, how many have bitten the dust so far then? Apr 08 13:18:02 let's try rebooting Apr 08 13:18:52 (test) can I talk? Apr 08 13:18:55 do you have catorise? Apr 08 13:19:06 shvedsky: we can hear you Apr 08 13:19:35 thx Apr 08 13:19:35 shvedsky_: or rather you Apr 08 13:19:38 ;) Apr 08 13:19:57 both me, but one is unregistered Apr 08 13:20:03 hey lardman Apr 08 13:20:13 hey lcuk, how's things? Apr 08 13:20:22 rebooted, no Icon yet, jacekowski. I don't have catorise Apr 08 13:21:25 hmm ok Apr 08 13:21:28 uninstall it Apr 08 13:21:31 i have new package Apr 08 13:21:57 jacekowski: how well does it perform? Apr 08 13:22:02 uploading it Apr 08 13:22:06 lardman: don't know yet Apr 08 13:22:16 ah I see :) Apr 08 13:22:21 so far i'm fuc**** around with icon Apr 08 13:22:55 lardman a little more busy than i expected for easter Apr 08 13:23:09 tell me about it Apr 08 13:24:13 lcuk: family well I trust? Apr 08 13:25:23 it works well Apr 08 13:25:51 i see the problem Apr 08 13:26:04 jacekowski, where does chrome install? (binary) Apr 08 13:26:23 ok Apr 08 13:26:25 yeah simon :) everyone cool Apr 08 13:26:26 there is new package Apr 08 13:26:29 same address Apr 08 13:26:32 what was the problem? Apr 08 13:26:35 updated version Apr 08 13:26:37 uninstall it Apr 08 13:26:39 and install again Apr 08 13:26:44 jacekowski: ok Apr 08 13:26:47 jacekowski: there is an issue Apr 08 13:26:59 jacekowski: when you fill some fields, by default it uses uppercase Apr 08 13:27:00 catorise watches /usr/share/applications/hildon/ Apr 08 13:27:16 hildon-desktop watches that too Apr 08 13:27:19 so if you are writing posts, you have to keep pressing shift for lowercase Apr 08 13:27:40 and but it's only updated when package is installed Apr 08 13:27:48 i mean - catorise is updated Apr 08 13:28:08 moved the .desktop file Apr 08 13:28:09 so just moving file from /usr/share/applications/ /usr/share/applications/hildon/ by hand wouldn't work Apr 08 13:28:19 with catorise Apr 08 13:28:29 i'm not sure how about clean hildon Apr 08 13:29:09 but anyways Apr 08 13:29:09 jacekowski: catorise uses the same paths Apr 08 13:29:16 javispedro: ping Apr 08 13:29:17 lardman: i know Apr 08 13:29:26 so yes, your icon is in the wrong place atm Apr 08 13:29:31 lardman: but catorise is updating icons cache differently Apr 08 13:29:43 only when there is file installed by dpkg to /usr/share/applications/hildon/ Apr 08 13:29:52 anywas Apr 08 13:29:58 i've got to do some work Apr 08 13:31:06 X-Fade: pong Apr 08 13:31:37 javispedro: I have a symbols package with PR1.0 symbols for the critical libs. Apr 08 13:32:09 aha Apr 08 13:32:13 javispedro: If I install those in the rootstrap before trying to build with debian squeeze devkit against PR1.2 builder, this should help work? Apr 08 13:32:14 generated somehow? Apr 08 13:32:15 1.0 is useless Apr 08 13:32:28 - help ;) Apr 08 13:32:58 maybe you'd need to edit MINVER, need to check on that, but should work Apr 08 13:33:12 (so that any non found symbol generates a PR1.2 dep) Apr 08 13:33:34 Hmm yeah, not sure how that will work. Apr 08 13:33:40 * javispedro hasn't install the squeeze devkit yet Apr 08 13:33:47 how to submit a .deb to maemo-extras-devel? Apr 08 13:33:50 I installed it on the builder. Apr 08 13:33:59 X-Fade: there's a remote but not ignorable chance that just installing it might cause a package not to build Apr 08 13:34:03 Can be installed next to the old ones. Apr 08 13:34:05 X-Fade: ouch Apr 08 13:34:45 javispedro: On the host, sbdmock config hasn't changed for the regular builders of course. Apr 08 13:34:51 ah, nice Apr 08 13:35:11 X-Fade: could you distribute the symbols files? I'd like to test the stuff locally too Apr 08 13:35:56 X-Fade: do you plan to update those symbols with 1.1/1.2 versions? Apr 08 13:35:58 jacekowski: another issue, I could bring the virtual keyboard for symbols like [] {} only the first time, now it doesn't appear anymore and anyway the first symbol i tried wasn't sent to the field I was writing on Apr 08 13:43:35 jacekowski: this look very promising though, I hope you upload to extras-devel so we can flaunt this to all our Android-using friends. lol Apr 08 13:44:21 cu later chaps Apr 08 13:46:27 ptl_demands_PR12: i'm just reading how to send it Apr 08 13:47:48 jacekowski: nice :D thanks. Apr 08 13:50:25 i've sent a request Apr 08 13:51:59 mhm Apr 08 13:52:05 i would have to upload it to non free Apr 08 13:53:16 hrw: This is just a proof of concept, let's see if we can make that work. Apr 08 13:53:29 would be great Apr 08 13:54:01 Would not solve all problems, but at least it would be more sane. Apr 08 13:54:53 who approves these requests? Apr 08 13:54:58 javispedro: me ;) Apr 08 13:55:07 ehm jacekowski ^^^ Apr 08 13:55:15 can you approve it Apr 08 13:55:28 before i go home Apr 08 13:56:00 jacekowski: check your mail. Apr 08 13:56:35 X-Fade: is 1.2 squeeze devkit? Apr 08 13:56:43 Stskeeps: no Apr 08 13:56:50 Stskeeps: That is the hack part ;) Apr 08 13:57:07 cos i've seen funky issues with Breaks: and old dpkg Apr 08 13:59:11 Let's see what happens. I rather have it break in extreme cases then with every regular package. Apr 08 14:00:02 X-Fade: t-tan suggested creating a temporary sbdmock and throwing most -devel packages (at least a selection of dangerous candidates) to it for a test Apr 08 14:00:34 javispedro: Yes, I'm setting up a fremantletest build queue on the builder. Apr 08 14:01:34 Not going to setup a repo at the output, will just put them all in a web dir I guess. Apr 08 14:02:18 for a start the squeeze devkit tends to throw quite a few more warnings about stuff Apr 08 14:02:24 s/stuff/shlibdeps stuff Apr 08 14:02:31 (even without symbols files) Apr 08 14:03:06 but are pointing potential problems that were already happening even with the older debian devkit, so no problem there (other than the extra verbosity) Apr 08 14:03:50 i'm confused Apr 08 14:03:54 dput -f fremantle-extras-devel-non-free PACKAGE_VERSION_*.changes Apr 08 14:04:07 nvm Apr 08 14:04:09 i'll rtfm Apr 08 14:04:34 PR1.2? Apr 08 14:06:55 nah Apr 08 14:07:16 what is the content of that *changes file? Apr 08 14:08:57 (sigh) http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/debtest/1.0.2-1/ Apr 08 14:09:33 debtest? Apr 08 14:09:48 someone upload his hello world to -devel :P Apr 08 14:09:54 *uploaded Apr 08 14:21:37 i'm amazed at how many deodorant advertisements there are on hulu Apr 08 14:21:40 must be the season Apr 08 14:21:49 hello room Apr 08 14:21:53 any news about the pr12 Apr 08 14:21:54 ? Apr 08 14:22:05 yes, but we can't tell you Apr 08 14:22:12 hehe Apr 08 14:22:16 ok Apr 08 14:22:19 bullet`: 12 November Apr 08 14:22:19 i know that news too that no body knows Apr 08 14:22:20 bullet`, pr12? Apr 08 14:22:27 hehe Apr 08 14:22:33 just skipped the dot Apr 08 14:22:51 pr12 is coming in 3012 Apr 08 14:22:57 lol Apr 08 14:23:00 hehe Apr 08 14:23:18 what an amazing time it ll be Apr 08 14:23:23 indeed Apr 08 14:23:35 the N900 will be running @15GHz Apr 08 14:23:38 even my brain will support plug n play !! Apr 08 14:24:05 if you live that long :P Apr 08 14:24:38 It is said that people usually die only after they reach some objective in life Apr 08 14:24:41 15ghz is nothing, by 3000, science would gone reletavity to the processor level ... quantum all the way Apr 08 14:24:46 every calculation in no time :p Apr 08 14:25:03 ok than i'm living till 3k Apr 08 14:25:05 :) Apr 08 14:25:06 PR 1.2 is making us get more longevity by locating this objective too far in time Apr 08 14:25:49 ptl_demands_PR12: pr1.2 \o/ Apr 08 14:26:17 my n900 is really realy not behaving these days Apr 08 14:26:27 as it knows it needs 1.2 and now refusing to live with 1.1 Apr 08 14:26:35 me too Apr 08 14:26:36 the processor usage is going constantly 100% Apr 08 14:26:39 battery dying Apr 08 14:26:42 some osso process Apr 08 14:26:45 mine too, and I can't update 3 apps because of that Apr 08 14:26:47 no not the battery Apr 08 14:27:23 and than that tracke-indexer process Apr 08 14:27:31 i dont know what these processes want !!! Apr 08 14:27:32 y now Apr 08 14:27:57 blood Apr 08 14:28:00 And that's not justice and love Apr 08 14:28:02 that's PR 1.2 Apr 08 14:28:05 They want the same as we want. Apr 08 14:28:29 yes Apr 08 14:28:34 the software has evolved !!! Apr 08 14:29:02 actually i think lcuk is right, the N900 has attacked me a couple of times Apr 08 14:29:25 looks like while i was sleeping and i leave it connect to internet ... my n900 went to internet , saw the jurrasic park, and somehow *understood* that "life finds its way" Apr 08 14:29:30 sigh Apr 08 14:29:58 MohammadAG: aim for the heart Apr 08 14:30:03 is n900 going to take over the world Apr 08 14:30:12 ptl_demands_PR12, location location location Apr 08 14:30:12 MohammadAG: look at the datasheets to see where the CPU is located Apr 08 14:30:16 where is it? Apr 08 14:30:22 bullet`, it already has Apr 08 14:30:27 you just havent noticed yet Apr 08 14:30:42 i'm just starting to notice all this ! Apr 08 14:31:45 MohammadAG: http://rs359.rapidshare.com/files/357130766/Nokia_N900_RX-51_Schematics.pdf ---> N900 schematics Apr 08 14:31:59 let's find out Apr 08 14:32:17 i think it's on the left side Apr 08 14:32:25 under the keyboard Apr 08 14:32:32 btw Apr 08 14:32:44 how many ppl r dual booting n900 here ? Apr 08 14:33:09 i did it some time ago Apr 08 14:33:09 MohammadAG: er Apr 08 14:33:11 LOL Apr 08 14:33:18 bullet`: I only dual boot my gf Apr 08 14:33:22 MohammadAG: there's a message from you on the page where I found this pdf Apr 08 14:33:23 http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/nokia-n900/34175-n900-schematics-now-available.html Apr 08 14:33:42 ptl_demands_PR12, :) Apr 08 14:33:48 Scelt: which bootloader did you install on your girlfriend? Apr 08 14:33:56 what is it like dual booting a gf !! Apr 08 14:34:06 petitboot most probably ptl_demands_PR12 Apr 08 14:34:13 y oh y .. is it called RX51 ???? Apr 08 14:34:30 cause it's from Area-51 Apr 08 14:34:33 was it decided in the end that this device will be called n900? Apr 08 14:34:45 internally was it always rx51 ? Apr 08 14:34:46 ptl_demands_PR12: a small one. called fallos Apr 08 14:34:57 20k/s download :( Apr 08 14:34:58 RX is ReX Apr 08 14:35:10 as in trex ? Apr 08 14:35:15 bullet`: 770 was SU-18, n800 was RX-34, n810 was RX-44, n900 is RX-51 Apr 08 14:35:21 * MohammadAG wanted to say that's what she said Apr 08 14:35:23 bullet`: each nokia product has such name Apr 08 14:35:24 but.. Apr 08 14:35:30 * MohammadAG decided not to Apr 08 14:35:32 RX-51 a.k.a. Rover. Apr 08 14:35:48 Range rover? Apr 08 14:35:52 another question is that was R always for Rover Apr 08 14:35:53 RX obviously means Rex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex) Apr 08 14:35:54 king of devices Apr 08 14:35:55 :) Apr 08 14:35:55 whats a rover Apr 08 14:35:56 I love 700KB/s limit on rapidshare Apr 08 14:36:03 lemme consult a dictionary first Apr 08 14:36:06 Roverosaurus Rex Apr 08 14:36:09 Stskeeps, ha! so I was right Apr 08 14:36:13 roamer, wandered :) Apr 08 14:36:14 ok Apr 08 14:37:08 bur RS is giving me only 18k right now Apr 08 14:37:19 ahh Apr 08 14:37:25 bullet`: and during prototype phase is was N00 probably too Apr 08 14:37:27 100% usage still on my sweetest n900 Apr 08 14:37:41 its not ginving me anymore attention :( ... says it needs pr 1.2 baddd !! Apr 08 14:37:48 I used n810 with n00 on it some time ago Apr 08 14:37:48 bullet`, top it Apr 08 14:37:51 yea Apr 08 14:42:18 ok the schematics r downloaded now Apr 08 14:42:27 should we locate the proc and shoot it ??? Apr 08 14:42:41 but aftyer that will it be able to work and install or1.2 when its time come !! Apr 08 14:42:43 > Apr 08 14:42:44 ? Apr 08 14:44:03 yes, the nearest gremlin will come and fix it for you Apr 08 14:44:26 marina harrison !!! Apr 08 14:44:33 is what i saw on the first page !! Apr 08 14:44:37 i dont know if she is cool or not Apr 08 14:44:44 but i want to know that Apr 08 14:44:48 is she a model ? Apr 08 14:49:03 * javispedro kills developer for mixing tabs and spaces for indentation Apr 08 14:49:11 bullet`, to help make your mind up if shes cool or not: marina is running pr1.2 Apr 08 14:49:34 ok she is the coolest girl in the world Apr 08 14:49:41 no one can says anything against that Apr 08 14:51:34 i dont knpow where marina is right now ... but i'm going to sleep ... alone !! Apr 08 14:51:35 sigh !! Apr 08 14:52:02 gnite Apr 08 14:55:45 zoutube rocks! Apr 08 14:56:00 it uses the media player now (and the dsp) Apr 08 14:56:54 is it working with the new youtube? Apr 08 14:58:15 zoutube is good now? Apr 08 14:58:15 sweet Apr 08 14:58:29 Wacky. First call on n900. Apr 08 14:58:38 (incoming) Apr 08 14:58:40 ? Apr 08 14:58:48 anyone use the espeak incoming call plugin? Apr 08 14:58:50 hmpf... no cron... Apr 08 14:58:57 for some reason, even though I have named contacts, it only reads off the number Apr 08 14:58:57 ... Apr 08 14:58:59 kamui: eSpeakCaller? I do Apr 08 14:59:04 yea that ptl_demands_PR12 Apr 08 14:59:08 how does it work for you Apr 08 14:59:12 your names get spoken? Apr 08 14:59:18 kamui: I would if I got more than one call per three months. Apr 08 14:59:22 lols Apr 08 14:59:26 I think so, I usually forgot to run it after reboot Apr 08 14:59:29 lemme try it. Apr 08 14:59:37 oh man, didn't realize it had to be run after each reboot Apr 08 14:59:44 however, Im on my longest uptime yet Apr 08 15:03:47 my app is in python, in control file should I set architecture to all or any? and under scratchbox should I issue dpkg-buildpackage for i386 or armel target? Apr 08 15:05:35 tgalal, if your app is pure python (e.g. nothing is compiled) you can use "all" architecture in debian/control Apr 08 15:06:43 baraujo, thanks after doing so, the app installed successfully on my N900. In auto builder logs it shows only i386, is this correct or I did something wrong? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/retroconv_0.5.0-1/ Apr 08 15:06:50 kamui: it doesn't seem to be working now. Weird. Apr 08 15:08:08 tgalal, IHMO it is correct, because you have to build it only once to be able to use on both archs... autobuilder must run a i386 build because it's faster Apr 08 15:08:48 baraujo, Great! So now I should wait till it appear in extras devel Apr 08 15:09:25 oh well, it was a nice idea Apr 08 15:09:38 I think...I want to buy that battery for the N900 Apr 08 15:09:42 tgalal, yeah, it shouldn't take long :) Apr 08 15:09:44 it doesn't look as bad as I thought Apr 08 15:10:06 Ill definately be picking it up if I switch over to tmobile, I hear battery life when you have 3G activated is an attrocity Apr 08 15:10:11 baraujo, ok thanks a lot :) Apr 08 15:10:22 * kamui looks at his N900, and a solitary tear rolls down his cheek thinking about his at&t edge connection woes Apr 08 15:18:31 'lo maemites! Apr 08 15:19:52 kamui: at least for me, switching from 3G to 2G about doubled my battery life. Apr 08 15:20:19 It's partly because none of the network operators here support a certain power saving feature in 3G mode. Apr 08 15:21:14 The 3G connection does not go idle for 50 seconds after transferring even a single ping packet, so with all my presence accounts online, the 3G data connection never ever sleeps. Apr 08 15:21:50 well half the reason most people's battery lives suffer in 3g mode is because the radio's having to activate and hunt for signal so often in low-reception areas, which are much more common on 3g obviously Apr 08 15:22:58 Absolutely. I've noticed the same battery drain in optimal 3G conditions as well though. Apr 08 15:23:35 could really use properly accurate battery level monitors to check exact usage, tbh Apr 08 15:23:42 Optimal meaning 5 operator antennas in this floor of the building. Apr 08 15:24:05 been keeping an eye on things with battery-eye and had a period of about 4 and a half hours this morning of it reporting my battery level *increasing* Apr 08 15:24:05 Yeah. battery-eye is not that accurate :-) Apr 08 15:25:21 I think main reason for *any* data connection to suck battery is TX, which takes place as well on unsolicited inbound TCP packets Apr 08 15:25:33 I have found out that an obvious way to massively increase my battery life further was to disable the bluetooth connection to my system Apr 08 15:25:54 im used to just leaving BT enabled and connected as on symbian devices it idles well enough to draw essentially no power Apr 08 15:25:55 Yeah. There's something wrong with BT as far as I can tell. Apr 08 15:26:33 It also starts to cause weird behavior in my device, after being active for a few hours and connecting to a few different BT accessories. Apr 08 15:26:33 visible BT sends baecons Apr 08 15:26:45 I disabled the connection on my pc yesterday (leaving bluetooth actually active on the device but no longer connected to the pc) and from the past 24 hour's level drop according to battery-eye, i've halved the device's idle power draw Apr 08 15:27:49 mhm Apr 08 15:27:53 Uploading to fremantle-extras-devel-non-free (via scp to drop.maemo.org): Apr 08 15:27:53 Permission denied (publickey). Apr 08 15:27:53 lost connection Apr 08 15:28:22 you have to put a public ssh key into garage Apr 08 15:28:36 i did Apr 08 15:29:39 jacekowski: Apr 08 15:29:40 Failed publickey for jacekowski from 109.224.x.x Apr 08 15:30:56 i copied my authorized_keys from my server and pasted it into box Apr 08 15:31:06 and i can login to that server Apr 08 15:31:15 jacekowski: you need to paste id_rsa.pub Apr 08 15:31:24 i don't have id_rsa Apr 08 15:31:29 i have id_dsa Apr 08 15:31:30 jacekowski: Not your own authorized_keys. Apr 08 15:31:33 and id_dsa.pub Apr 08 15:31:35 jacekowski: That one then ;) Apr 08 15:31:40 the pub one! Apr 08 15:31:46 i know Apr 08 15:31:56 jacekowski: Ok, just to make sure ;) Apr 08 15:32:43 Ah, I see the problem. Apr 08 15:33:11 jacekowski: You pasted 2 keys and one has root@jac* attached to the end. Apr 08 15:33:50 yes Apr 08 15:33:57 jacekowski: without space. Apr 08 15:33:59 and that's one i'm using Apr 08 15:34:04 oh Apr 08 15:34:21 jacekowski: So I'd advice you to drop it, it is not needed. Apr 08 15:36:04 * Mizaku is back Apr 08 15:37:07 that's how it stands in id_dsa.pub http://jacekowski.org/keys.txt Apr 08 15:37:29 and that's how it was working for ages Apr 08 15:38:31 that site is weird (O.O) Apr 08 15:39:03 which site? Apr 08 15:39:03 let me generate rsa keys Apr 08 15:39:10 jacekowski: no need. Apr 08 15:39:28 jacekowski: just paste the ssh-dss and the key part in the field. Leave out the host. Apr 08 15:39:51 * mgedmin notes that the third bit of an ssh public key is called the comment field, or something like that Apr 08 15:39:56 no Apr 08 15:39:56 I have a script I would luike to run as a daemon and at phone startup Apr 08 15:40:07 How would I go about doing that Apr 08 15:40:29 http://jacekowski.org/~blessjah/log/ that's better Apr 08 15:40:41 Does this mean something has gone wrong ?! http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/retroconv/0.5.0-1/ I'm getting fed up with this packaging thing. This is like my 20th attempt :( Apr 08 15:40:49 dotblank, on a N900? write an (old) upstart config file in /etc/event.d/ Apr 08 15:41:12 mgedmin, yea. Thanks for the info Apr 08 15:41:23 I would say something appears to have gone pretty badly wrong, yes Apr 08 15:42:20 Mizaku: that's not mine Apr 08 15:42:47 X-Fade: i made new rsa key Apr 08 15:42:51 X-Fade: and it's still failing Apr 08 15:43:05 but it begins with your url..? Apr 08 15:43:28 Mizaku: but that's not mine Apr 08 15:43:35 somebody has shell account on my server Apr 08 15:43:58 Dumdadum.... Apr 08 15:44:19 well couple people have shell account there Apr 08 15:44:37 and drop.maemo.org doesn't like my brand new keys Apr 08 15:45:03 tgalal: Let me check your package. Apr 08 15:45:51 X-Fade, thanks! Apr 08 15:46:11 X-Fade: are these keys updated straight away? Apr 08 15:46:23 or i have to wait? Apr 08 15:46:24 jacekowski: no, cron job. Apr 08 15:46:51 that could explain it Apr 08 15:47:36 jacekowski, it took 10 mins yesterday Apr 08 15:47:46 kept saying perm denied (publickey) Apr 08 15:48:08 i added new rsa key Apr 08 15:48:10 and will wait Apr 08 15:48:16 tgalal: Don't use uppercase section names, it is user/desktop Apr 08 15:48:26 tgalal: If you change that, it will be fine. Apr 08 15:48:42 X-Fade, thanks I'll give it a shot Apr 08 15:49:30 Successfully uploaded packages. Apr 08 15:57:22 X-Fade, still the same problem after going small case letters. I tried to re upload again now it says The same or newer version (retroconv 0.5.0-1) is already in extras-devel Apr 08 15:57:50 tgalal: Increase the version number after it has been accepted once. Apr 08 15:58:17 tgalal: Also the interface can take up to 30 mins to import the data. Apr 08 15:59:30 X-Fade: does it accept dsa keys? Apr 08 15:59:42 jacekowski: should. Apr 08 16:06:38 Successfully uploaded packages. Apr 08 16:06:39 ok Apr 08 16:06:44 chrome finally uploaded Apr 08 16:06:58 ptl_demands_PR12: chrome uploaded Apr 08 16:07:14 jacekowski: WHERE Apr 08 16:07:16 google chrome? Apr 08 16:07:29 X-Fade, great!!! I increased the version number, re uploaded and now the description shows. But the file size is still 0, should I wait or what ? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/retroconv/0.5.1-1/ Apr 08 16:07:36 VDVsx: do you mind if I pm about gsoc? Apr 08 16:07:51 to maemo-extras-devel Apr 08 16:08:00 brik, sure Apr 08 16:08:27 where I can follow newest devel or garage changes? Apr 08 16:08:34 appwatch Apr 08 16:08:49 Scelt: it's not in repository yet Apr 08 16:09:11 jacekowski: appwatch is a bit too simple Apr 08 16:09:43 ok Apr 08 16:09:47 chromium is in repo Apr 08 16:10:10 i just hope that dependencies are correct Apr 08 16:10:30 well, i'm pretty much sure that they are not Apr 08 16:10:37 X-Fade, YES FINALLY! Can't thank you enough! sorry it's my first time :) Apr 08 16:11:09 * lcuk gets tgalal a cigarette Apr 08 16:11:16 lol Apr 08 16:11:34 ptl_demands_PR12: chrome in repo Apr 08 16:11:40 tgalal: dont forget a bugtracker ;) Apr 08 16:11:44 jacekowski: cool, Apr 08 16:11:55 jacekowski: lemme refresh to see if I can find it there. Did you upload libxss too? Apr 08 16:11:59 yes Apr 08 16:12:21 ( it's only package i've got in Depends:) Apr 08 16:12:44 ptl_demands_PR12: look under chromium Apr 08 16:12:48 MohammadAG: chrome in repo Apr 08 16:13:02 i'm either blind or not seeing it Apr 08 16:13:09 jacekowski, already installed it from your site :) Apr 08 16:13:09 let me check Apr 08 16:13:22 had to move the .desktop file into ./hildon Apr 08 16:13:23 nidO, I will, but let me enjoy this relief for a while before I mess things up again lol Apr 08 16:13:27 ok! I will also post in a brazilian forum where there are some people too keen on trying software, will ask them to report bugs Apr 08 16:13:29 from /usr/share/applications Apr 08 16:13:48 jacekowski, is it optified? Apr 08 16:14:44 it is Apr 08 16:15:50 ptl_demands_PR12: u talking about google chrome, dat browsah? Apr 08 16:16:12 MohammadAG: yes Apr 08 16:16:19 Scelt: yes, thanks to jacekowski Apr 08 16:16:21 so long as it has flickscroll, it'd be quite an awesome mobile browser Apr 08 16:16:35 it doesn't Apr 08 16:16:37 ptl_demands_PR12: okay, and where I can find it? from extras-devel? Apr 08 16:16:38 at least not now Apr 08 16:16:43 :( Apr 08 16:17:07 Scelt: jacekowski has just uploaded it, I am refreshing to see if I can find it Apr 08 16:17:40 X-Fade: what i've done wrong? Apr 08 16:17:57 jacekowski: you were naughty when you were 6? Apr 08 16:18:35 You can install some addons to regular firefox to make it more usable touch Apr 08 16:18:42 all-in-one gestures, for example Apr 08 16:18:56 I don't like FF Apr 08 16:18:58 no results on extras-devel Apr 08 16:19:39 i see it here Apr 08 16:19:39 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/non-free/c/ Apr 08 16:20:00 maybe the repository index has a cron job to be refreshed too Apr 08 16:20:20 possible Apr 08 16:20:20 why is it non-free? Apr 08 16:20:40 autobulider down, can only up binaries? Apr 08 16:20:40 because i'm to lazy to create proper debian package Apr 08 16:20:53 well - not down but can't make 1.1.1 binaries Apr 08 16:20:54 that would build on autobuilder Apr 08 16:20:56 or am I confused Apr 08 16:21:07 and it would take ages to build Apr 08 16:21:36 and i had to hack scratchbox to build it Apr 08 16:21:36 jacekowski, do you have the .tar.gz uploaded somewhere? Apr 08 16:21:45 no Apr 08 16:22:00 so you're not making it open? Apr 08 16:22:01 i just finished a package Apr 08 16:22:34 probably on saturday when i'll have little bit of time Apr 08 16:22:41 to make proper debian package Apr 08 16:22:51 no not a proper one Apr 08 16:22:59 just a .tar.gz of the source Apr 08 16:23:13 it will go together Apr 08 16:23:25 konttori: Ho ho ho. Merry Christmas? Apr 08 16:24:23 anyways Apr 08 16:24:29 time to go home Apr 08 16:24:38 good rest Apr 08 16:24:39 well done, son Apr 08 16:24:43 may the Force be with you Apr 08 16:24:50 hakuna matata! Apr 08 16:25:27 Scelt: ho ho, to you too. Apr 08 16:27:05 ptl_demands_PR12: what's that PR12 you are demanding? Apr 08 16:27:24 Scelt: PR 1.2, the mythical update that never comesâ„¢ Apr 08 16:27:32 ;D Apr 08 16:31:08 Scelt: many packages on the repositories are currently broken, many bugs in bugzilla are marked fixed by more than a month, PR1.2 packages have been released for the scratchbox environment for almost one month and Nokia still hasn't released this service pack. I am just voicing the opinion of many users about that delay, and I don't get the excuse that it's due to necessary testing. Apr 08 16:32:08 ptl_demands_PR12 how do you know its unnecessary? Apr 08 16:32:31 guys anybody using sip? Apr 08 16:33:03 zchydem's flickr app looks nice.. http://zchydem.enume.net/2010/04/08/my-first-qt-quick-app-quickflickr/ Apr 08 16:33:10 in N95 i could open the addressbook, select a phone number and do "Call using sip" Apr 08 16:33:41 in N90, if i click on any phone number it straight away calls the mobile provider, and there is no way to choose it as a sip call Apr 08 16:33:47 ptl_demands_PR12: I gotcha bro. Even I'm a Finn and very proud of the work of Nokia, I'm still a bit disappointed and sad about the situation in this current world where competitioners take their share from Nokia. For example navigation should have been free from the day one and they shouldn't have waited for the all these years for the touch phones. They are late in everything :( Apr 08 16:33:48 /N90/N900/ Apr 08 16:33:50 lcuk: not this flamewar again... I do not "know", because I do know nothing inside Nokia. But this is taking too long and the consequences of the packages being delayed are been felt Apr 08 16:34:57 lcuk: daily in this very channel you see just too many issues caused from the delay of PR1.2, from autobuilder problems to packages that can't update due to a lack of updated libs like libhildon1 and conflict of names like qt4-maemo vs. qt4 Apr 08 16:36:15 hey all Apr 08 16:36:19 hello Apr 08 16:36:37 hows everyone in maemo land? Apr 08 16:37:02 meego home now Apr 08 16:37:08 lol Apr 08 16:37:14 lo toggles_w Apr 08 16:37:20 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49522 Apr 08 16:37:26 just got all that to work :) Apr 08 16:37:33 Stskeeps: hello! I'm coming to visit, clean off the couch Apr 08 16:37:54 im pulling 3.3Mbps while on the bus :| Apr 08 16:38:00 operation temporrly disabled due to low memory err Apr 08 16:38:42 ptl, sure there is an ambiguity between sdk and real machines and i am also sure the devs and everyone involved is doing whatever possible to expidite the release. Apr 08 16:40:00 any suggestions as to how to fix an mmc set to read only? Apr 08 16:40:18 or any idea as to what the heck happened to make it so? Apr 08 16:40:53 Just noticed my camera app won't take pictures on my N900, "operation failed", and the mmc I added awhile back can't be written to. Apr 08 16:40:59 Lateralus: usually a filesystem is set to read-only when some corruption is detected on it Apr 08 16:41:10 ~poke lcuk Apr 08 16:41:11 * infobot cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind lcuk, pokes lcuk repeatedly, hilarity ensues. Apr 08 16:41:12 Lateralus: you should umount it, fsck it, then remount it with the errors corrected Apr 08 16:41:14 ptl_demands_PR12: That's fairly vague? Apr 08 16:41:23 ~fsck VDVsx Apr 08 16:41:24 ptl_demands_PR12: I will try Apr 08 16:41:24 e2fsck /dev/VDVsx : warning! filesystem contains dumbasses! Apr 08 16:41:30 :D Apr 08 16:41:35 ~botsnack Apr 08 16:41:35 thanks, javispedro Apr 08 16:41:44 such a nice bot. Apr 08 16:43:06 bah, device or resource busy -_- Apr 08 16:44:01 lololol Apr 08 16:44:34 a brazilian n900 blog has a new post about the N900... watching sygic with brazil maps and PR 1.2... Apr 08 16:45:38 ptl_demands_PR12, links help Apr 08 16:46:32 "Meanwhile, in Nokia Headquartes... '- trainee, get me a coffee!' - '- But, sir, I was going to turn the coffee machine off to power up and bring online the server with PR1.2!' - '- The users have waited too long, they can wait a little longer. Get me my coffee!'" Apr 08 16:46:42 lcuk: it's in portuguese, but ok... http://n900.aguilarj.com/?p=1124 Apr 08 16:47:15 the blog's owner is the developer of PySafe. Apr 08 16:47:39 hmm, it looks like repo.meego.com is down.. :P "Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to repo.meego.com" Apr 08 16:47:46 guys, is there a cron on N900? my intentions are to mute the volume when i go to bed. Apr 08 16:47:48 b-man|laptop: maintaince Apr 08 16:47:51 ah Apr 08 16:48:42 trumee: there are many crons, you can use fcron that is more cron-like but adds an extra service to the N900, or you can use alarmed which is an alarmd interface - alarmd is a scheduler daemon that comes with the N900 Apr 08 16:49:11 Stskeeps: were they suppose to be announcing the mobile UX today? Apr 08 16:49:19 ok ptl thats not a blog post thats another rant Apr 08 16:49:20 trumee: there is also another interface to alarmd called System Event Scheduler but it seems less mature Apr 08 16:49:30 b-man|laptop: hm? :P Apr 08 16:50:03 ptl_demands_PR12: i guess i can simply use amixer to set volume to 0 using alarmd. Apr 08 16:50:04 lcuk: actually it seems more like a joke, that happens when people are just frustrated. They use humour sometimes... Apr 08 16:50:09 Stskeeps: i saw some people talking about it on irc yesterday Apr 08 16:50:20 Treibholz: and you can use alarmed to configure that Apr 08 16:50:24 X-Fade: help Apr 08 16:50:44 lcuk: it's half rant half news :) Apr 08 16:50:50 ptl_demands_PR12, speaking of humour, Marina Harisson is on pr1.2 :p Apr 08 16:51:13 WTF Apr 08 16:51:27 ptl_demands_PR12: any idea if it reduced the volume of the email/IM notifications. Bloody phone woke me up at 5AM this morning because of email notification. Apr 08 16:51:33 lol Apr 08 16:51:38 ptl_demands_PR12: did that, seemed to be ok, opened the camera lid and the N900 beeped/screeched and won't turn on. Apr 08 16:51:40 /reduced/reduces/ Apr 08 16:51:42 turned off, and now won't turn on. Apr 08 16:52:06 Lateralus: ???? What did you do? Apr 08 16:52:14 ptl_demands_PR12: I opened the damn camera lid Apr 08 16:52:32 and this bricked your phone? Apr 08 16:52:53 oh Apr 08 16:52:54 trumee: i would go and see specialist Apr 08 16:52:56 the filesystem problem Apr 08 16:53:01 :/ Apr 08 16:53:11 you remounted the filesystem ok? Apr 08 16:53:18 jacekowski: :) Apr 08 16:53:20 trumee: i can set up alarm in n900 and it's not going to wake me up Apr 08 16:53:38 e-mail notfication is like - ding Apr 08 16:53:42 ptl_demands_PR12: after removing the battery and sticking it back in it turned on Apr 08 16:53:51 ptl_demands_PR12: I was very angry for those few seconds. Apr 08 16:53:55 Lateralus: nice, and did it boot properly? is it working? Apr 08 16:54:07 ptl_demands_PR12: seems to be fine Apr 08 16:54:12 cool@ Apr 08 16:54:21 ptl_demands_PR12: nome-vfs-daemon keeps crashing. Apr 08 16:54:25 gnome* Apr 08 16:56:13 ptl_demands_PR12: bah, it's still read-only Apr 08 16:56:25 is there a "min free space needed" for pr1.2? Apr 08 16:57:03 maybe my .dsc or .changes file is wrong Apr 08 16:57:49 Trizt: when it's out we will know Apr 08 16:58:49 ptl_demands_PR12: fsck just goes through the same steps each time I run it. Apr 08 16:58:56 Lateralus: that's weird, because the fstab (the file which lists the filesystems to be mounted) is generated at boot-time, so it could not have been a change in the config files. This means the filesystem is still corrupted. Have your fsck fixed all the problems in the filesystem? Was it MyDocs? If it was, maybe it's not fsck, maybe it's another program to fix that Apr 08 16:59:07 MyDocs is a vfat filesystem Apr 08 16:59:27 ptl_demands_PR12: no, this is an external card, not related to MyDocs Apr 08 16:59:28 hmm Apr 08 16:59:32 it's just music, etc Apr 08 16:59:34 oh, ok Apr 08 16:59:45 NAUGHTY PROGRAMMER!!! SPANK SPANK SPANK!!! lol VDVsx Apr 08 16:59:48 anyway, I've just verified and fsck supports vfat Apr 08 16:59:53 etc being a deb I made of Stellarium, and some tgz file Apr 08 17:00:54 maybe you can temporarily copy its contents to another place, reformat it completely and put the contents back again Apr 08 17:01:19 yeah, I'm trying that now, thanks Apr 08 17:01:45 I'll format the card on a separate computer if this doesn't work Apr 08 17:04:51 Trizt: it's 30 megs (or 28, can't remember) Apr 08 17:05:09 in that case I have space enough Apr 08 17:05:36 actually something like 22 is enough, but we set the limit to 30 (or 28...) Apr 08 17:06:33 * Trizt ods Apr 08 17:06:36 * Trizt nods Apr 08 17:07:20 Hmm...trying to decide the best method to distribute a video for my gsoc proposal. Apr 08 17:07:55 why, oh why. Apr 08 17:08:34 youtube. Apr 08 17:09:10 jogglerspedro: ? Apr 08 17:09:42 Stskeeps: they made me fall in love with this joggler thingie only to realize they're only shipping UK :( Apr 08 17:10:14 Stskeeps: oh, you have one too iirc? Apr 08 17:10:14 lol Apr 08 17:10:20 how do i find large files on rootfs? Apr 08 17:10:23 jogglerspedro: yes Apr 08 17:10:30 jogglerspedro, I'm pretty sure this is unhealthy. :P Apr 08 17:10:45 23mb free with extras repo disabled Apr 08 17:11:00 jogglerspedro: not living in UK though Apr 08 17:11:09 jogglerspedro: i ordered one Apr 08 17:11:30 PhonicUK: /usr/bin/gnu/find / -mount -size +999k -ctime -66 Apr 08 17:11:42 jogglerspedro: find a willing UKian to buy and ship you one Apr 08 17:11:43 PhonicUK: it's quite difficult to have a file in rootfs that does not belong to a package. There is a perl script which can tell you the usage on rootfs of each package, let me find it for you Apr 08 17:11:44 if they're not out Apr 08 17:11:44 -66? Apr 08 17:11:57 jogglerspedro, not my code, blame rasterman, I guess :D Apr 08 17:12:04 jacekowski: younger than 66 days Apr 08 17:12:09 i know that Apr 08 17:12:14 what's the point of it Apr 08 17:12:24 ptl_demands_PR12: cant download alarmed from extras-devel, it has a qt-4.6.2 dependency Apr 08 17:12:26 VDVsx: excuses :) Apr 08 17:12:51 jacekowski: where 66 is some number of days shorter than the time since the last update Apr 08 17:13:06 PhonicUK: the perl scripts are here --> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=500101&postcount=7 Apr 08 17:13:15 ty Apr 08 17:13:15 jacekowski: so you only find added Apr 08 17:13:16 Stskeeps: is the audio ticking problem resolved for joggler? Apr 08 17:13:28 trumee: :( and when I "demand" PR1.2 people flame me... see? We need this update. Apr 08 17:13:29 trumee: not yet Apr 08 17:13:33 trumee: we're investigating still Apr 08 17:14:22 trumee: can you get version 0.1.8-3 from its page? I think this version does not depend on qt-4.6.2 Apr 08 17:16:25 ptl_demands_PR12: cant find its page :( Apr 08 17:17:17 ptl_demands_PR12: its not in garage, and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46594&highlight=alarmd doesnt list the url Apr 08 17:17:23 Stskeeps: here, I found an Ukian: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ukian Apr 08 17:17:54 ptl_demands_PR12: chrome already in devel? Apr 08 17:17:59 trumee: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/alarmed/0.1.8-3/ Apr 08 17:18:43 ptl_demands_PR12: cheers Apr 08 17:18:49 Scelt: lemme see Apr 08 17:21:22 Scelt: it has not shown up here yet, after updating. Apr 08 17:21:39 ptl_demands_PR12: okthx. later then Apr 08 17:22:42 Stskeeps: btw, could I ask you for a boot dmesg of a joggler? Apr 08 17:22:53 javispedro: yes, gladly, give me a couple of seconds Apr 08 17:23:05 javispedro: jogglerhacks.blogspot.com for interesting stuff as well :P Apr 08 17:23:21 thanks! Apr 08 17:23:34 joggler url? Apr 08 17:24:35 SpeedEvil: a useful one is http://hackthejoggler.blogspot.com/2009/06/what-is-this-hack-joggler-stuff.html Apr 08 17:24:52 javispedro: http://pastebin.com/7gziERzK Apr 08 17:25:45 javispedro: http://pastebin.com/9SsRrVRs as well Apr 08 17:26:19 aha, the builtin flash is connected through a sdhci pci card Apr 08 17:26:44 mmc Apr 08 17:27:18 http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/multitasking-comes-to-iphone-os-4-0/ 4 generations to get it right... Apr 08 17:27:43 gah the scripts don't work Apr 08 17:27:50 thats iphone 4G? Apr 08 17:27:50 syntax errors :\ Apr 08 17:28:11 MohammadAG: looks like they didn't Apr 08 17:28:20 javispedro: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/Joggler Apr 08 17:28:40 javispedro: yeah, seems only some certain services are working while your app is "in the background" Apr 08 17:29:04 bergie: PalmOS-style multitasking :( Apr 08 17:29:07 javispedro, at least the poor guys got it Apr 08 17:29:23 *PalmOS5 Apr 08 17:31:31 "We're releasing a framework called accelerate -- for hardware accelerated math functions." only jobs could advertise stuff like that. genius. Apr 08 17:34:59 Stskeeps: thanks! lack of rtc is disturbing me a bit now Apr 08 17:34:59 javispedro, well the iPad was magical Apr 08 17:35:00 javispedro: What? Jobs invented math? Apr 08 17:35:06 javispedro: who cares with ntpdate.. Apr 08 17:35:07 :P Apr 08 17:35:21 I had one plausible use for it that assumed rtc :( Apr 08 17:35:27 but it was geeky anyway Apr 08 17:35:29 ;) Apr 08 17:36:03 I assume that to specify whether it was floating-point math or integer math would be too nerdy Apr 08 17:36:12 math! Apr 08 17:36:14 just math. Apr 08 17:36:25 enough to throw confusion into all the expected audience Apr 08 17:36:41 even better, to throw the entire audience into confusion :) Apr 08 17:38:29 javispedro: Has something happened with the apple cult lately? I managed to remove all apple news from gizmodo/engadget feeds, so I am not sure what you are talking about Apr 08 17:39:08 RST38h: jobs invented multitasking, hw accelerated math, skype, and is at this moment inventing tomtom Apr 08 17:40:27 javispedro: Is he inventing tomtom for free or for a fee? Apr 08 17:40:49 the latter, of course. Apr 08 17:40:51 iPhone os 4.0 is going to have Custom Wallpapers, Welcome to the 1990s everyone!! Apr 08 17:40:53 Ah Apr 08 17:41:05 ^^ and now he's inventing wallpapers Apr 08 17:41:08 andrewfblack <-- obviously not in the loop Apr 08 17:41:30 javispedro: he also invented Multitasting today Apr 08 17:41:33 and catorise, he also invented folders in the launcher Apr 08 17:41:35 javispedro, when he announced the iPad, he said you can change your wallpaper Apr 08 17:41:38 those in the loop know very well that there weren't any wallpapers before iPhone OS 4.0 Apr 08 17:41:43 I thought the iPhone could do that... Apr 08 17:41:59 MohammadAG: it couldn't. watch the the ministry of truth in action. Apr 08 17:41:59 MohammadAG: just on the lock screen no where else before today Apr 08 17:42:16 ... Apr 08 17:42:20 serious? Apr 08 17:42:38 pls, someone help. i have this really strange problem with my n900 for the third time now. the touchscreen seems to hang. its not recognzing any input. Apr 08 17:42:51 He also invented something called a Folder I don't know what it is but it sounds cool Apr 08 17:43:00 even the monochrome phones was able to do that... Apr 08 17:43:00 furunk3l, what apps are you running Apr 08 17:43:02 ah, jobs just invented App Store Third-Party Mail Attachment Viewers! Apr 08 17:43:09 do you get click noises from it when you press Apr 08 17:43:27 lcuk, at the time the touchscreen is haning or in general? Apr 08 17:43:40 *hanging/not responding Apr 08 17:43:50 your screen is not responding, what can you see Apr 08 17:43:57 what happens when you touch it Apr 08 17:44:01 javispedro: has he invented the instant messaging already or is it coming? Apr 08 17:44:02 what did you do to break it Apr 08 17:44:14 RST38h: what's this instant thing you're talking about Apr 08 17:44:18 just noticed steve can't do math they sold 450K ipads but the app Ibook has been downloaded 600k times how is that possible? Apr 08 17:44:27 ;) Apr 08 17:44:29 javispedro: you will know when jobs announces it Apr 08 17:44:36 lcuk: when i swipe to swipe through the desktops it seems to work, but then it switches back to the desktop i was. Apr 08 17:44:37 it doesn't exist! never exited! Apr 08 17:44:39 andrewfblack, easily enough Apr 08 17:44:41 RST38h: he invented MMS last year Apr 08 17:44:46 kinetic scrolling is not wokring Apr 08 17:44:58 and when i receive a call, i cannot take it Apr 08 17:45:03 andrewfblack: most hyperactive fans downloaded it twice? Apr 08 17:45:09 furunk3l, ok, so its not a hardware problem in that its not working - its just funky and not working right Apr 08 17:45:10 i press the touchscreen, and it hangs. Apr 08 17:45:17 lcuk: only way would be for 250k people to download twice Apr 08 17:45:25 lcuk, exactly Apr 08 17:45:27 furunk3l: something funky indeed :P did you install anything recently? Apr 08 17:45:36 nohing Apr 08 17:45:49 i can fix it with a complete reinstall Apr 08 17:45:52 furunk3l: put a lot of files in an sd card or the builtin memory? Apr 08 17:45:53 and after some time its back Apr 08 17:46:03 javispedro, yes. Apr 08 17:46:11 loads of music Apr 08 17:46:14 furunk3l: then leave it alone for a few hours and it might revive Apr 08 17:46:28 its not the trackerd Apr 08 17:46:32 furunk3l, can you click to open apps Apr 08 17:46:38 or console via ssh Apr 08 17:46:44 lcuk, no. Apr 08 17:46:53 aha, Free Winnie the Pooh eBook with every iPad. Their target market is crystal clear now. Apr 08 17:47:03 no because ssh isnt installed or no because ssh isnt working Apr 08 17:47:07 when i click, it somethimes gets recognized as a long press Apr 08 17:47:20 and opens the contextmenu Apr 08 17:47:23 javispedro: the ipad doesn't need additional poo. Apr 08 17:47:51 WTF no free Winnie the Pooh on N900 thats a Show Stopper for me Apr 08 17:48:53 as long as theres a free winnie the pooh theme :p Apr 08 17:49:01 btw I wan to thank everyone who changed their useragent on Nokia Devices ot iphone for their websites you helped apple say this.. "iPhone has a 64% mobile browser use share" Apr 08 17:49:10 ssh is not istalled Apr 08 17:49:14 lcuk: don't make me go make a winnie the pooh theme for N900 Apr 08 17:49:32 furunk3l, what happens if you reboot Apr 08 17:49:33 lcuk: you know I will do it a made a Hello kitty one for Stskeeps Apr 08 17:49:36 andrewfblack, bet you cant Apr 08 17:50:00 lcuk, when i reboot immediatly i cannot enter the pin for my simcard. Apr 08 17:50:02 Pooh theme will be out this weekend Apr 08 17:50:10 * javispedro find the browser screenshot with a huge message box "Do you want to accept invitation to play Winnie the Pooh the Game with random boring contact that is interrupting you constantly while trying to, well, BROWSE the WWW?" hilarious. Apr 08 17:50:18 i press randomly on the screen and after some time its working Apr 08 17:50:25 furunk3l, if you turn off the phone remove battery and let it cooldown for 10mins Apr 08 17:50:33 plug in and test again Apr 08 17:50:37 okay Apr 08 17:50:49 lets see if its potentially something like that Apr 08 17:51:00 especially if immediate reboot fails Apr 08 17:51:37 my penis is affectionally errect Apr 08 17:51:52 that was inappropriate, and I apologize Apr 08 17:52:40 kamui, i know you are as excited as the rest of us for pr1.2 but you are right,keep it in your pants Apr 08 17:52:41 to winnie the pooh? oh dear Apr 08 17:52:49 I manged to get Dropbox Sync on my N900, using N900, Desktop Computer, Dyndns, ipcheck script, application to sync Dropbox Folder to FTP server, Dropbear running on N900. Now why I would I want an iphone. If the application is made for hte iphone you are just out of luck Apr 08 17:53:02 is there word for the pr 1.2 release? Apr 08 17:53:14 Stskeeps: You know you want the winnie the pooh theme Apr 08 17:53:16 furunk3l: not really. Apr 08 17:53:25 andrewfblack: i can guess some people that do Apr 08 17:53:56 Stskeeps: I really did make that Hello Kitty theme I kept saying I would but just never released it Apr 08 17:54:17 * andrewfblack is giving up on a N900 LCARS theme not looking right Apr 08 17:54:41 i see valid reasoning to enforce OMG Ponies! theme upon anyone with "demands_PR12" in their irc nickname Apr 08 17:55:50 I'm almost to the point of getting in hte the whole lets go crasy on TMO thing. I figure if I post that I have an early release of PR1.2 and do some fake screenshots people will beleave me Apr 08 17:55:58 lol I was just gonna see if noobmonk3y was online Apr 08 17:56:07 * noobmonk3y huffs n puffs Apr 08 17:56:13 7 hours driving, my legs are achingggggggggg Apr 08 17:56:21 flintstones car? Apr 08 17:56:26 ;) not far off Apr 08 17:56:27 LOL Apr 08 17:56:37 * MohammadAG gives noobmonk3y the massager maemo app Apr 08 17:56:45 w000000000p Apr 08 17:56:52 andrewfblack: you doubt it? Apr 08 17:57:06 nice relaxing evening with the missus in a bit - so only on for 30 mins :D Apr 08 17:57:19 andrewfblack: they will. someone even nearly believed the "overclocked to a gazillion ghz" shot Apr 08 17:57:49 javispedro: Well I figure I have a little creditillity in the community to string people along for a while Apr 08 17:57:53 * MohammadAG reminds noobmonk3y that a PM window exists Apr 08 17:58:47 trust lcuk to post a sensible reply in my oh so sensible healthcheck thread ;) Apr 08 17:59:07 someone had to :p Apr 08 17:59:16 lol good point ;) Apr 08 17:59:27 * andrewfblack thinks about his if you can't beat them join them post he should do on tmo Apr 08 17:59:35 thought i did a good job at fending of the "Kill my device " requests Apr 08 18:00:02 X-Fade: are you there? Apr 08 18:00:26 jacekowski, did you put the source to your package anywhere yet Apr 08 18:01:33 and now jobs just invented ... flash. Apr 08 18:01:39 but it's not flash. Apr 08 18:02:46 what then Apr 08 18:03:12 html5 advertising! Apr 08 18:03:52 javispedro: looks like be invited Advertising aswell Apr 08 18:05:13 * andrewfblack can't talk to much junk about Apple he still steals his old iphone back from while for some mobile gaming every now and then Apr 08 18:05:37 iPad is offtopic. :P Apr 08 18:06:27 GAN900: So is everything on t.m.o :) Apr 08 18:06:33 lcuk: it's just chromium from google Apr 08 18:06:40 GAN900: doesn't matter. it will be base for comparisons for the next year. Apr 08 18:06:44 lcuk: with some mods to make it compile Apr 08 18:06:56 so jacekowski, its open source - and you put it in the closed source section of m.o Apr 08 18:07:23 so now anyone who might want to download and tinker cannot Apr 08 18:07:30 that has bad mojo Apr 08 18:07:40 hm Apr 08 18:07:40 i can move it to free Apr 08 18:07:47 no pr1.2... Apr 08 18:07:48 indeed you can Apr 08 18:07:48 but i would have to build proper source package Apr 08 18:07:56 what is happening actually? Apr 08 18:07:57 indeed you would Apr 08 18:07:57 and hack it a lot to build Apr 08 18:08:03 but being in non-free is not correct Apr 08 18:08:10 is worse Apr 08 18:08:19 the 1.1.1 was released over 2 months ago Apr 08 18:08:20 is against license Apr 08 18:08:25 non-free is for people too lazy to build proper package Apr 08 18:08:38 non-free is for non-free softawre Apr 08 18:08:44 free software should not be there Apr 08 18:08:50 lazyness is not a factor in this Apr 08 18:09:34 there is some free software in non-free section Apr 08 18:10:36 please make a list if that is the case (with chromium at the top for now) and they can all be cleaned up then. Apr 08 18:11:45 well it's BSD Licensed Apr 08 18:11:46 wait, what? chromium for n900? Apr 08 18:11:56 so theoreticely i can relicense it to jacekowski license Apr 08 18:12:02 and put it into non-free Apr 08 18:12:44 jacekowski: I like the sound of that I should relicense all my themes to jacekowski License Apr 08 18:13:59 mgedmin: yes Apr 08 18:14:10 mgedmin: it's in http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/non-free/c/chromium/ Apr 08 18:14:24 mgedmin: but it's not in Packages Apr 08 18:14:28 mgedmin: for some reason Apr 08 18:14:39 and i don't know what i've done wrong Apr 08 18:16:48 jacekowski, looks like packages is down Apr 08 18:17:05 The requested URL /packages/view/ could not be found on this server. Apr 08 18:17:16 jacekowski, you have removed the bsd attributation from it - effectively wiping out its history Apr 08 18:17:41 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzbQjd_Oo4Q&feature=player_embedded Apr 08 18:21:43 ah, they're battling over for the single ipad they brought in for a demo in public tv Apr 08 18:24:18 jacekowski, if you had pushed the package and source up, perhaps others could assist you better Apr 08 18:25:20 javispedro: obnoxious Apr 08 18:26:12 Apple just invented multitasking Apr 08 18:26:30 * javispedro bangs head repeteadly Apr 08 18:26:32 Next: The wheel Apr 08 18:26:40 * MohammadAG wonders Apr 08 18:26:46 if a package source was edited Apr 08 18:26:48 * ioeee salud o/ Apr 08 18:27:01 can I upload the package built into extras-devel non-free? Apr 08 18:27:06 even if it's free? Apr 08 18:28:15 MohammadAG, you could until someone who cares speaks up Apr 08 18:28:25 normally it would be the proper maintainer Apr 08 18:28:32 if you are replacing their package Apr 08 18:29:16 lcuk, even if the package was never meant for maemo? Apr 08 18:29:19 well, it's on jacekowski license now Apr 08 18:29:26 and jacekowski license says Apr 08 18:29:30 - i don't care Apr 08 18:29:36 s/meant/made/ Apr 08 18:29:36 MohammadAG meant: lcuk, even if the package was never made for maemo? Apr 08 18:29:41 - code will be released when i'll have some time4 Apr 08 18:29:59 * MohammadAG uses jacekowski's license and uploads to extras-devel Apr 08 18:30:13 in that case jacekowski you best get looking at the guidelines for trademark stuff for third party implementors Apr 08 18:30:14 http://code.google.com/chromium/terms.html Apr 08 18:30:51 i'm not sure if i can release build anyways Apr 08 18:31:06 the jacekowski license is incompatible with the bsd either way, my legal team says Apr 08 18:31:12 MohammadAG, well thats pretty much what jacekowski just did Apr 08 18:32:10 jacekowski licence is like GPL, but you also have the right to request the code written in hot-sauce? Apr 08 18:32:10 javispedro: point 1 of jacekowski license Apr 08 18:32:25 jacekowski, i have never spoken in this tone with anyone about open source before because ive not seen people do this kind of thing. many folks like chromium and would actively help you bring it to maemo Apr 08 18:32:32 but thats fro man open community thing Apr 08 18:33:13 see the dozens of ripoffs of mplayer and ffmpeg code into non GPL stuff Apr 08 18:33:22 * MohammadAG switches back to getting the app to compile Apr 08 18:33:24 I hate non-free Apr 08 18:33:26 not to mention busybox/linux into every third router Apr 08 18:33:30 the package as it stands should not be in non-free - i know it was easier- but if you built the package yourself, we can most likely help the autobuilder to create it too Apr 08 18:33:33 if you want i can post my ~/chrom/chromium... whatever Apr 08 18:33:50 SpeedEvil, speaking of ffmpeg - theres a binary inside jacekowski's package Apr 08 18:34:06 which is lgpl Apr 08 18:34:20 source of ffdshow is publicly avaliable Apr 08 18:34:22 the jacekowski license is incompatible with the gpl, my legal team also says >:) Apr 08 18:35:07 jacekowski, is chromium in the repos (app manager)? Apr 08 18:35:19 ok, it's in the repos, is it in app manager? Apr 08 18:35:48 Hi guys I am having problem getting my N900 contacts synced with google contacts. If I delete my contacts on the n900 google contacts syncs fine (using mail for exchange) but if I were to edit the synced contacts (by merging dups enteries) I am unable to sync the result with google and I get server not responding error. Apr 08 18:38:22 jacekowski: now seriously, if you can, you should really consider sending it to free. it will be better for you in the end and for us too (easier to reproduce). if you can't for some reason make it a sane source package, do not hesistate to post your doubts Apr 08 18:38:41 seriously Apr 08 18:38:45 i'll send it Apr 08 18:38:48 ok :) Apr 08 18:38:59 but i have to diff it 1st to orignal source Apr 08 18:39:09 Hi all, I have submitted a proposal for Pocket Jeeves project in GSOC, can you please have a look on it and give me your feedback(s) ? thanks http://issuu.com/gsoc/docs/gsoc_proposal1 Apr 08 18:39:19 and make it nice Apr 08 18:39:30 the nice part isn't needed until version2 :) Apr 08 18:39:50 as someone told me when I was noob around here, "if it compiles and runs, ship it!" is the maemo way :) Apr 08 18:40:13 the nice part is bringing another open source giant to the platform, the code can be as messy and wiggly as it needs to be Apr 08 18:40:40 actually javispedro pr1.2 proves that is not the case :) Apr 08 18:40:40 at the moment only thing i can post is my huuuuuuge ~/chrom folder Apr 08 18:40:47 that includes everything Apr 08 18:40:59 git diff Apr 08 18:41:00 and it would take day to send on my 512k upload Apr 08 18:41:13 * javispedro looks at the time, tries to remove joggler stuff from his mind and tries to go back to work Apr 08 18:41:19 where is the mamo boot configs? I don't see anything on my /boot directiory Apr 08 18:41:34 that's a problem - it's not on git Apr 08 18:41:58 ok, reextract the tar.gz and diff against that Apr 08 18:42:09 i would end up with shitloads of binary files Apr 08 18:42:12 in diff Apr 08 18:42:30 Raafat: can't read on n900. Apr 08 18:42:42 there is no rush Apr 08 18:42:55 i spent 2 days builing it Apr 08 18:42:59 jacekowski, then why rush to get it in repository Apr 08 18:43:13 i'm not rushing it Apr 08 18:43:20 i just want to know why it's not there Apr 08 18:43:56 Zahra: /etc Apr 08 18:44:27 let me just ssh to work Apr 08 18:46:56 Apple already breaking the dream Apr 08 18:47:04 they won't bring the "full" 4.0 to older devices Apr 08 18:47:16 SpeedEvil_: & which file in /etc have boot information? Apr 08 18:47:19 I bought apple today. Apr 08 18:47:23 (i'm sure someone in Nokia is making a sound of relief) Apr 08 18:47:34 Zahra: wht do you mean boot info? Apr 08 18:47:46 (well, apples) Apr 08 18:47:48 i've got an idea Apr 08 18:47:58 import orginal source into svn repository Apr 08 18:48:04 and then import that huge file Apr 08 18:48:05 hey all, is the cpp-4.2 package just the compiler? Apr 08 18:48:09 and then i can possibly diff it Apr 08 18:48:15 and am i ok to remove it Apr 08 18:48:15 "...and then Apple is going to send all the iPhone users a special knife for cutting the usb connector hole in their iPhones." Apr 08 18:48:20 huge folder * Apr 08 18:48:25 SpeedEvil_: boot configs, for example grub.conf in linux systems, I really don't know what's N900 bootloader Apr 08 18:48:55 RST38h: I hear this knife is made by bledtek. Apr 08 18:49:01 iKnife Apr 08 18:49:32 Zahra: nolo? I don't think it's open, or has files like that. Apr 08 18:50:03 so when is the i****? getting expose? Apr 08 18:50:06 SpeedEvil_ : do you prefer a site to upload it ? Apr 08 18:50:16 I request again (and for the last time, so sorry that I'm bugging you). Apr 08 18:50:21 Will there be any reply to http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=600213&postcount=91 Apr 08 18:50:34 SpeedEvil_: ok, btw tnx Apr 08 18:50:55 Raafat: I simply mean I can't read it at the moment due to flash or ... Apr 08 18:51:49 SpeedEvil_: I understand you, can I copy paste it in the private ? Apr 08 18:52:04 sure Apr 08 18:52:32 * javispedro loling at "Around 1996, when I had AOL users complaining that the articles on my website were "cut off at the bottom of the screen", and I had to explain scrollbars to them, I should have found another career, preferably one that involved frequent use of explosives and heavy earthmoving equipment." Apr 08 18:53:09 * RST38h vividly remembers 1996 Apr 08 18:54:01 With alt.tasteless discussing various methods of torturing frogs, naturally switching to torturing the French, ending up torturing AOLers Apr 08 18:54:39 Unlike French or frogs, nobody really felt like defending AOLers. Apr 08 18:55:22 RST38h, sounds not much different to now Apr 08 18:55:30 * lcuk did not get internet at home until 2000 Apr 08 18:56:15 lcuk: well, lemmings became smarter but more annoying since then Apr 08 18:56:23 lcuk: not dealiing with end users also rules. Apr 08 18:56:24 smarter being a relative term of course Apr 08 18:56:40 Veggen, ive dealt with end users since late 90s Apr 08 18:57:01 I have 1.5 million end users, but have only ever talked with one *once*, and that was mistake, I shouldn't have. Apr 08 18:57:03 in an industry built up of 90yo dears who know more about fabrics and sewing than computers Apr 08 18:57:41 * javispedro feels a urge to play lemmings Apr 08 18:57:44 and also small companies of people in first time businesses Apr 08 18:57:50 lol javispedro Apr 08 18:58:32 i see the iphone made it to 1993, finally have multitasking, just like win3.1 when it was release in 93 Apr 08 18:59:23 toggles_w: official software Apr 08 18:59:26 actually toggles_w its not multitasking as such, just the os has a few predefined threads that apps can hook into Apr 08 18:59:54 neither was 3.1, cooperative ;-) Apr 08 18:59:56 try multitasking something they dont want you to do! Apr 08 18:59:57 toggles_w: with jailbreak you can have multitasking Apr 08 19:00:21 but anyway Apr 08 19:00:31 im off, bbl maemo \o Apr 08 19:00:43 cya lcuk Apr 08 19:01:13 I don't think people have any trouble with n900 task switching. Apr 08 19:02:11 * ioeee resaluda o/ Apr 08 19:04:20 dmj726_n900: I do Apr 08 19:04:26 More on my gsoc proposal: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48548 Apr 08 19:04:26 dmj726_n900: it's annoyingly slow Apr 08 19:04:34 dmj726_n900: there is no way to do alt-tab Apr 08 19:04:40 overclock ;) Apr 08 19:04:40 * SpeedEvil really goes to sleep. Apr 08 19:04:56 something feels not right when I have to jailbreak an OS to get it to do as I want. Apr 08 19:04:56 alt tab would be nice actually. Apr 08 19:05:27 Veggen: yeah...many here agree with that. Apr 08 19:05:29 <---isn't going to buy an iPhone, but I do know how slick it looks. Apr 08 19:05:53 I'd rather go back to symbian than buy an iPhone Apr 08 19:06:16 well Apr 08 19:06:30 jailbreak is same idea as rooting (symbian) Apr 08 19:06:36 I'd rather not buy and iPhone than buy an iPhone Apr 08 19:06:50 except it's easier on symbian Apr 08 19:07:02 but well, it's easier to root a symbian device, and a symbian device has less limits unrooted Apr 08 19:07:07 * dmj726_n900 would accept a free iphone. Apr 08 19:07:20 They can be sold for money. Apr 08 19:07:21 if I got a free iPhone I'd donate it Apr 08 19:07:23 * FIQ would as well - and sell it Apr 08 19:07:25 :D Apr 08 19:07:41 and about 100 bucks because of the evil it carries Apr 08 19:07:53 ok, 100 is a lot Apr 08 19:07:58 * MohammadAG takes back what he said Apr 08 19:09:14 since it's $100, and money is the root of all evil, the iphone's evil is over 9,000 Apr 08 19:11:21 $100 = sqrt(iPhone.get_evil()) Apr 08 19:12:15 http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/jobs-if-you-see-a-stylus-or-a-task-manager-they-blew-it/ LOLOLOL Apr 08 19:12:58 Hehe: http://www.alternet.org/rights/146273/ruling_ok%27s_tasering_pregnant_woman_three_times Apr 08 19:13:35 i think apple's ego has just entered astronomical levels xD Apr 08 19:15:41 b-man: So, el Jobso is basically repeating Microsoft's mistake of never exiting apps? Apr 08 19:16:36 This actually works - if you can enforce design. Apr 08 19:16:45 does not work Apr 08 19:16:58 you always end up with memory getting full Apr 08 19:16:59 For example 'app must be able to start in x seconds from saved state' Apr 08 19:17:16 or alternatively you end up with apps exiting when they see fit, taking your work with them Apr 08 19:17:42 naaah, thsis saved state stuff never worked and probably never will Apr 08 19:18:25 although I guess they may have tried snapshotting the whole application, all the active memory pages, dumping them to disk for later unfreezing Apr 08 19:18:26 worked quite well on PalmOS, actually... Apr 08 19:18:27 RST38h: you could say that xD Apr 08 19:18:45 mgedmin: never worked neither on Symbian nor on WinMo Apr 08 19:18:50 mgedmin: Palm OS had a _very_ small footprint Apr 08 19:18:57 for values of "work" not including applications like a "web browser" Apr 08 19:19:00 Was particularly obnoxious on WInMo (Symbian did provide an app manager) Apr 08 19:19:20 mgedmin: I want that. Apr 08 19:19:22 given the pain that is MicroB's back button I wonder how well that will work Apr 08 19:19:28 * RST38h guesses PalmOS is different, as it was never really an OS Apr 08 19:19:39 mgedmin: For firefox - or whatever - to be able to snapshot each tab to non-volatile storage Apr 08 19:20:00 ...that's called the session manager. Apr 08 19:20:06 hey, does anyone know if SDL_GetModState() reacts to the fn key in N900? Apr 08 19:20:10 with _all_ the tab state in disk, not RAM Apr 08 19:20:18 dmj726_n900: not quite Apr 08 19:20:21 RST38h: it was more of a microkernel with an application layer Apr 08 19:20:35 ah...you want everything. Apr 08 19:20:36 dmj726_n900: you navigate from a tab, it saves the tab to disk, and deletes the in-ram copy Apr 08 19:20:56 dmj726_n900: it loads the - say - 5M of data back in .5s Apr 08 19:22:00 ah...why would that be needed? Apr 08 19:22:19 dmj726_n900: the assumption is that there is not enough RAM for 20 tabs Apr 08 19:22:56 Okay, I can't see needing that many on a mobile device. Apr 08 19:23:07 I often have 6 microb windows open Apr 08 19:23:11 though I could find myself wrong. Apr 08 19:23:18 so do I. Apr 08 19:24:23 WTF? everything is vertical now! Apr 08 19:27:16 lcuk, that issue with the touchscreen just happened again. i removed the battery and i will wait for 10 minutes. Apr 08 19:29:30 furunk3l, did it get better before on its own? Apr 08 19:29:44 yes, after some time Apr 08 19:30:03 i sometimes just rapidly touch the screen. and it was fixed. Apr 08 19:30:10 by leaving the device on, or turned off as i suggested Apr 08 19:30:24 i just turned it off as you suggested Apr 08 19:30:36 still waiting for the 10 minutes to pass ;) Apr 08 19:30:45 yeah but you threw more spanner in works by saying it cured itself eventually on its own Apr 08 19:30:51 or with brute force ;) Apr 08 19:31:01 it always did after some time Apr 08 19:31:18 strange thing is, that a reboot did not fix it. Apr 08 19:31:35 great, everything is vertical now. even my browser Apr 08 19:31:44 but how do I get back? Apr 08 19:32:22 without killing my uptime Apr 08 19:32:31 Treibholz, how did you go forward? Apr 08 19:32:44 mgedmin: i just don't know.... Apr 08 19:33:12 I did something with the phone-app Apr 08 19:33:26 i.o.w. triggered some bug Apr 08 19:33:35 try starting the phone app (again) and exiting it normally Apr 08 19:34:41 ok, i got back with feedinf-it Apr 08 19:36:07 Treibholz: going for an uptime record, eh? :) Apr 08 19:36:17 2 days! Apr 08 19:36:45 that's the best I smartphone ever did here! Apr 08 19:36:46 the longest i've done is a week Apr 08 19:36:56 (except a very old Blackberry) Apr 08 19:37:26 I generally can't get more than a couple weeks without accidentally draining the battery. Apr 08 19:37:54 dmj726_n900: had mine on a charger obviously xD Apr 08 19:38:08 (not a single charge for me obviously) Apr 08 19:38:12 yay, 18 days on N900. Then rebooted due to some stupid app update requiring it Apr 08 19:38:27 dmj726_n900: idle? Apr 08 19:38:37 >300 days on 6210 Apr 08 19:38:50 DocScrutinizer: a 6210 is a phone! Apr 08 19:38:56 ...no...meaning I was charging about twice daily. Apr 08 19:38:58 yep Apr 08 19:39:10 DocScrutinizer: you can't compare apples and pears! Apr 08 19:39:14 dmj726_n900: ah lol Apr 08 19:39:20 see? phones are better than smartphones ;-P Apr 08 19:39:57 my old phone had much better battery life...and a dead(ish?) microphone Apr 08 19:40:33 lcuk, works again. but the phone settings like date and time are reset. Apr 08 19:41:01 furunk3l, earlier on, you said the problem remained after rebooting Apr 08 19:41:08 yes Apr 08 19:41:11 how often do you encounter it, and is it immediately after rebooting Apr 08 19:41:21 or just randomly at some point in the future will it occur Apr 08 19:41:26 I just found out, that jingle works quite great between two n900 Apr 08 19:41:35 oh man. why did the hildon touchselector have to have different api than gtk treeview. Apr 08 19:41:44 i encounter it currently once a day. mostly after the phone was some time in standby Apr 08 19:41:52 it happens more often when i listen to mp3s Apr 08 19:42:12 konttori, historical reasons no doubt Apr 08 19:42:13 and when i reboot without taking the battery out, the error is still there after the reboot Apr 08 19:42:59 ok furunk3l are you doing anything else with the phone - or notice when it doesnt occur Apr 08 19:43:03 ie, you say "once a day" Apr 08 19:43:15 does it not happen some days - ie when you arent listening to music or something Apr 08 19:43:33 damn Apr 08 19:43:33 lcuk: yeah, probably for the philosophical idea of keeping gtk and hildon separate (while I never saw even the point of having hildon as a separate API at all) Apr 08 19:43:37 apt-get install new-lighter Apr 08 19:44:20 konttori, when we finish our time machine, we will go back and right the wrongs in gtk :D Apr 08 19:44:23 lcuk, it currently happens when the phone was on standby for a long time Apr 08 19:44:29 eiter that or just use qt from scratch :D Apr 08 19:44:50 lol, well, qt did it pretty right Apr 08 19:45:25 in some respects it did yeah. im tinkering with pyqt Apr 08 19:45:34 like it takes some time to wake up the hildon stuff or the touchscreen. Apr 08 19:45:35 and i want it faster Apr 08 19:45:41 and using a better syntax ;) Apr 08 19:45:45 possibly like vb :D Apr 08 19:46:54 X-Fade: how that builder work? Apr 08 19:46:57 what does the n900 support when it comes to synchronising calendars/tasks? server/protocol wise Apr 08 19:48:13 i mean, what if i need library from extras-devel Apr 08 19:49:36 is there only mail for exchange or syncevolution? Apr 08 19:49:41 konttori, so is the thing you are playing with ukmp2 ? Apr 08 19:49:49 or just getting comfortable Apr 08 19:50:56 lcuk: no, I would never make ukmp on gtk. But, I'm making a functional video player. So, this time, function over form. Apr 08 19:51:36 And then once I have function that I'm happy with, I'll resort to my usual form over function and start converting the app to qml/qtgraphicsview Apr 08 19:53:23 I would really like to switch already to qml, but, I think I'll finish the current implementation first, then publish it, then switch to qml. I really love qml. I see no reason to use anything else but either vanilla qt or qml. Apr 08 19:54:11 * konttori really isn't personally a big believer of the new s60 toolkit nor DUI toolkits. Apr 08 19:55:40 konttori, the toolkits will help some people Apr 08 19:55:59 but you are right, native simple implementations which just work well are always prefered and are the bread and butter Apr 08 19:56:52 for round to ordering laser cut stand today :) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43593 Apr 08 19:56:57 got round even Apr 08 19:58:19 enyone has a good idea for GSoC project? Apr 08 19:58:58 Hello ! Apr 08 20:00:05 I'm trying to compile some c code for my n900 ... but it s running kinda slow ... as i'm clearly not an expert of c and gcc ... does there is some flags to optimize things a bit ? Apr 08 20:00:31 It depends on the CPU Apr 08 20:00:36 Khertan, slow to compile, or slow to run? Apr 08 20:01:21 lcuk, since he asked about gcc, I'm assume to compile Apr 08 20:01:21 and theres some cheapish c flags, but it depends on whether your time is spent in your little loops or within a prebuild linked library Apr 08 20:01:44 yeah MohammadAG with khertan im never sure, but "c code for my n900" Apr 08 20:01:53 the for makes it tough Apr 08 20:02:00 and optimizing would slow down compilation ondevice Apr 08 20:02:21 fastest compilation is unoptimised Apr 08 20:02:56 mmm i wonder if that could be used to advantage for making test builds of qt c++ on device Apr 08 20:03:05 or if c++ is just that much slower it wouldnt make a diff Apr 08 20:04:06 lcuk: slow to run Apr 08 20:04:06 anyway, Khertan in my CFLAGS i use -O3 Apr 08 20:04:07 c++ puts a bigger burden on the preprocessor if templates are used, no? Apr 08 20:04:16 but it doesnt help without knowing where slowness is Apr 08 20:04:29 microlith, it puts a bigger burdon on everything Apr 08 20:04:42 lcuk, lol I was wrong Apr 08 20:04:42 someone needs to get distcc in extras-devel. Apr 08 20:04:44 its just much slower to build than flat c code Apr 08 20:04:50 To enable compiling when plugged into wall. Apr 08 20:04:58 cloud of n900s. Apr 08 20:05:06 yep ... the problem is that the n900 is border line Apr 08 20:05:07 SpeedEvil, i keep having a flash of something :) Apr 08 20:05:13 a bit too slow :) Apr 08 20:05:16 and it involves n810 too Apr 08 20:05:31 its fast enough for c building i think Apr 08 20:05:32 lcuk: as long as it doesn't involve adobe. Apr 08 20:05:40 lol SpeedEvil of course Apr 08 20:05:52 lcuk: for building yep ... for running complex things less Apr 08 20:06:01 but i need to have my code running immediate on all waiting devices as soon as ive started build Apr 08 20:06:10 so it has to be done on all machines Apr 08 20:07:06 SpeedEvil, i keep wanting to run a micro web server with simplified source code feed - when i save project each device stops what its doing, downloads, compiles, runs and gets back to point it was at Apr 08 20:07:21 :) Apr 08 20:07:24 tcc Apr 08 20:07:41 * SpeedEvil sighs. Apr 08 20:07:44 most likely Apr 08 20:07:45 So many projects. Apr 08 20:07:57 I want to do a nice web proxy to reduce bandwidth. Apr 08 20:08:35 SpeedEvil, i was sat building liqbase routinely on 810 for ages with this in mind Apr 08 20:08:52 web proxy doesnt interest me much because i dont use net often Apr 08 20:09:02 but around local zone Apr 08 20:09:04 * Khertan is now trying to build opensonic for Maemo Apr 08 20:10:56 <|R> is it a known bug that with the browser in full screen if you let the device lock itself after the system delay you can't see the pin pad when it shows up, just the title? Apr 08 20:11:02 Khertan, oooo Apr 08 20:11:13 ? Apr 08 20:11:42 hum ... build was fast ... Apr 08 20:11:51 but s it s a bit too slow Apr 08 20:12:38 opensource next game :) Apr 08 20:12:43 speak with the gamers around Apr 08 20:12:57 i m browsing playdeb.net :) Apr 08 20:12:58 * SpeedEvil plays lots of 'blocks'. Apr 08 20:13:00 javis and rst usually have good implementation ideas Apr 08 20:29:14 Hi all. I'm trying to add ~ to my osso-xterm bottom bar, as per http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35442 -- I fail; why? I'm saying gconftool-2 -t list --list-type string -s /apps/osso-xterm/keys "[bar,~,Tab,Escape,Page_Up,Page_Down]" and $thesame/key_labels "[|,~,Tab,Esc,PgUp,PgDn]". When I press the ~ button, nothing happens. What gives? Apr 08 20:32:41 probably it's tilde, not ~. Also it even might be nodeadkey-tilde or sth like that Apr 08 20:32:50 Anyone here use OpenVPN on their N900? Apr 08 20:34:38 grishnav: I do Apr 08 20:34:40 DocScrutinizer: a similar amount of nothing happens for "tilde" and "nodeadkey-tilde" Apr 08 20:34:48 DocScrutinizer: where did you get the nodeadkey-tilde name from? Apr 08 20:35:11 DocScrutinizer: some X keysym list? A header file? A GNOME/osso/X/... header file? Apr 08 20:35:37 peetah: Have you tried to make it run on startup with any luck? Apr 08 20:35:50 I'm not at all sure about the correct name. Just wild guessing led me to the assumption it's one of the chars that aren't represented by themselves but rather by their name Apr 08 20:36:19 I have no use for it on startup, but you have to create a script in /etc/event.d/ Apr 08 20:36:25 DocScrutinizer: sure, that seems reasonable; what I'm most puzzled by: where did you grab the "nodeadkey-" part from? Apr 08 20:36:40 mere memory Apr 08 20:36:49 ah Apr 08 20:37:14 have a look at /etc/event.d/ssh to have a template Apr 08 20:37:57 sorry it's /etc/event.d/sshd Apr 08 20:38:11 jonaskoe1ker: possibly I'm talking complete BS. Just an idea of the second, no backup by any hard facts or knowledge Apr 08 20:38:27 DocScrutinizer: ah okay. Well, thanks for offering it :) Apr 08 20:38:30 basically, you remove what is between the pre-start script and end script Apr 08 20:38:42 lcuk: and besides, Apr 08 20:38:51 and replace what comes after exec by /etc/init.d/openvpn start Apr 08 20:38:52 lcuk: i don't believe in community Apr 08 20:39:34 lcuk: most community projects fail without corporate support Apr 08 20:39:52 be sure to check the /etc/default/openvpn to be sure that it connects to the desired vpn Apr 08 20:39:55 DocScrutinizer: gaaaah, I found it: asciitilde ^_^ Apr 08 20:40:02 peetah: I don't see an /etc/event.d/sshd, just rc* scripts Apr 08 20:40:16 heh, so I've not been that wrong Apr 08 20:40:23 DocScrutinizer: indeed you have not :) Apr 08 20:40:39 peetah: ah wait, wrong machine... damn screens Apr 08 20:40:44 peetah: ok, thanks Apr 08 20:41:08 Is there a way to strace the i2c bus? Is there a generic i2c-linux way? Apr 08 20:41:47 SpeedEvil: i think there is module that dumps i2c traffic to dmesg Apr 08 20:41:49 grishnav: np Apr 08 20:43:34 SpeedEvil: there's I2Ctools Apr 08 20:43:39 hmm Apr 08 20:43:46 SpeedEvil: and there's strace ;-P Apr 08 20:43:51 DocScrutinizer: yes. I know - not quite what I was aiming at. Apr 08 20:44:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGOZYGM5sOs Apr 08 20:44:57 SpeedEvil: honestly I have no clue. I'd guess all I2C is via a generic kernel driver. You might implement some debugging to that one Apr 08 20:44:59 page reader concept Apr 08 20:45:29 k Apr 08 20:45:32 Youhou ! GnuGo Compiled Apr 08 20:45:38 now rest the UI Apr 08 20:47:23 dmj726_n900: neat Apr 08 20:48:01 DocScrutinizer: I have little energy to do creative stuff - more digging crap in garden today. Apr 08 20:48:26 http://pastebin.com/wWvYzNxx <<< ouch a segfault on a compile Apr 08 20:48:27 huhu Apr 08 20:49:29 Do you think the video would be good in the proposal? Apr 08 20:49:30 Khertan: heh, compiler segfaults always are BIG fun Apr 08 20:50:00 DocScrutinizer: yep ... and ... this on something that are coming from a Armel debian package Apr 08 20:50:13 dmj726_n900: link it - sure Apr 08 20:50:20 directly compiled on scratchbox Apr 08 20:50:31 Khertan: I reverted to things like redirecting compiler log to printer when I encountered such threat Apr 08 20:51:00 okay, wasn't sure the video would help or not. Apr 08 20:51:00 dmj726_n900: It shoud of course also have a buisness card mode Apr 08 20:51:15 business card mode? Apr 08 20:51:42 you mean to recognize business cards and add them to contacts. Apr 08 20:51:44 to OCR them Apr 08 20:51:48 that sort of thing, yes Apr 08 20:54:56 raaahahaha why open sonic is so slow on my N900 !!! Apr 08 20:55:26 how to remove something from non-free and resubmit is as free? Apr 08 20:55:57 jacekowski: send a email to maemo dev mailing list Apr 08 20:56:05 be prepare to be blame Apr 08 20:56:11 and wait at list one month Apr 08 20:56:12 X-Fade, ping Apr 08 20:56:14 Has anyone successfully managed to use their PS3 controller with an N900 using sixaxis-support and sixpair? Apr 08 20:56:15 at lesat Apr 08 20:56:18 at least Apr 08 20:56:27 PhonicUK, here Apr 08 20:56:56 im having a spot of trouble, i've used sixpair to set it to use my N900s bluetooth address Apr 08 20:57:10 and ive got the sixaxis-support on my N900 with bluetooth on Apr 08 20:57:19 but i press the PS button on the controller and nothing happens Apr 08 20:57:22 Khertan: any simpler way? Apr 08 20:57:34 PhonicUK, do you have HID enabled? Apr 08 20:57:35 jacekowski: pray Apr 08 20:57:45 on the N900? Apr 08 20:57:51 yep Apr 08 20:57:57 probably not, how do i do that? Apr 08 20:57:59 if yes, disable it Apr 08 20:58:04 guess not then Apr 08 20:58:04 jacekowski: just increment the version number and check in to free under the 'new' name? Apr 08 20:58:10 how can i check> Apr 08 20:58:28 PhonicUK, it's off by default, it should stay that way Apr 08 20:58:31 ok Apr 08 20:58:47 DocScrutinizer: yep but it seems to cause problems on the maemo.org/packages/ interface Apr 08 20:58:48 :) Apr 08 20:59:08 PhonicUK, cat /etc/bluetooth/main.conf Apr 08 20:59:56 DisablePlugins = network,input,hal Apr 08 21:00:02 if you don't have input there, add it Apr 08 21:00:07 yup thats what its set to Apr 08 21:00:14 hmm Apr 08 21:00:30 PhonicUK, does the BT icon change into blue? Apr 08 21:00:48 ah its sprung into life! Apr 08 21:00:59 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh Apr 08 21:01:07 you have to unplug the controller from the USB before it will work xD Apr 08 21:01:18 roffle Apr 08 21:01:51 does anyone know of anything like hamachi for the n900... i used to use hamachi but since they upgraded to hamachi2 they don't have a linux client Apr 08 21:05:21 woooo this is awesome with picodrive :D Apr 08 21:06:05 woo woo Apr 08 21:06:39 now to plug it into my TV... Apr 08 21:07:34 is it me or does the daemon eat a fair amount of CPU time... Apr 08 21:07:39 and causing the emus to run slower Apr 08 21:12:46 nope just needed a reboot :D Apr 08 21:12:55 playing sonic on my tv, brb - nostalgia trip Apr 08 21:12:59 can't find chrome from the devel repo Apr 08 21:13:27 just get packages from jacekowski.org/maemo/ Apr 08 21:13:31 you need both of them Apr 08 21:13:37 Hi guys, I'm trying to update "FreOffice" but getting dependency problems, someone could help me understand what's going wrong, so I can fix them myself in the future? http://pastebin.com/GWpdn8gX Apr 08 21:14:40 djkrikke, you're using extras-devel/testing Apr 08 21:14:55 jacekowski: oknpthx Apr 08 21:14:59 and FreeOffice uses qt Apr 08 21:15:01 ShadowJK, that's correct Apr 08 21:15:26 Most qt things in extras-devel and -testing is broken Apr 08 21:15:33 right Apr 08 21:15:38 not a problem at this time Apr 08 21:15:52 but this will be automagically fixed in the future I assume? Apr 08 21:15:57 what sort of processing power builder have? Apr 08 21:16:13 what is picodrive Apr 08 21:16:29 nevermind Apr 08 21:16:33 _google_ Apr 08 21:16:47 jacekowski: damn, I haven't yet installed that deb installer. what's the best? that easy deb? Apr 08 21:17:21 djkrikke, yes. extras-devel is getting ready for the next firmware release Apr 08 21:17:35 umm, how do I apply a .diff file to a folder? Apr 08 21:17:49 Scelt: you don't need it Apr 08 21:17:52 ShadowJK, no problem at all then. Any idea on when the migration will be complete, couple of weeks? Apr 08 21:17:59 Scelt: easydebian is just a debian chroot Apr 08 21:18:08 Scelt: and these files are native maemo builds Apr 08 21:18:12 jacekowski: hmph, libxss installation failed but maybe i try again Apr 08 21:18:17 Scelt: you just need to insteal them from terminal Apr 08 21:18:24 jacekowski: oh, okay Apr 08 21:18:30 jacekowski: basic dpkg -i? Apr 08 21:18:34 jacekowski, "diff -r dir1 dir2" theres other options for diff which might be required "man diff" Apr 08 21:18:36 sudo dpkg -i libxss... Apr 08 21:18:39 yeah Apr 08 21:19:35 djkrikke, it's not really a migration... Basically apps in -devel are getting built for the next firmware, and apps incompatible with current release are blocked from reaching extras.. When the new firmware upgrade arrives, your phone will be able to upgrade freoffice too Apr 08 21:19:55 damn I wish xterm woudl remember more than 15 lines of shell history Apr 08 21:20:05 it's not xterm Apr 08 21:20:10 it's busybox Apr 08 21:20:16 it says "X Terminal" bu tokay Apr 08 21:20:21 and it can be changed Apr 08 21:20:30 that 15? from where? Apr 08 21:20:38 gconf afaik Apr 08 21:20:45 i mean, it's not xterm that remembers history Apr 08 21:20:54 or oh yes Apr 08 21:21:18 export HISTSIZE=1000 Apr 08 21:21:24 and add it to .profile Apr 08 21:21:46 It's mostly qt apps that break on crrent firmware, because nokia is bringing us a new qt, same e as MeeGo is going to have, for increased compatibility with MeeGo :) In order to give app devs a head-start, extras-devel was switched to the new stuff recently.. Apr 08 21:22:44 jacekowski: no .profile? just create one? Apr 08 21:22:53 in home Apr 08 21:23:04 yes Apr 08 21:23:07 or .bashrc Apr 08 21:23:19 touch .bashrc Apr 08 21:23:24 touch .me Apr 08 21:23:57 i felt so good at school yesterday Apr 08 21:24:04 i'm not even in the security course yet Apr 08 21:24:17 and i was helping students in 3rd year break into the solaris boxes Apr 08 21:24:19 in the hacker lab Apr 08 21:24:48 kick friggin messybox, get a decent real shell Apr 08 21:25:15 heh Apr 08 21:25:19 I have ash history working, btw Apr 08 21:25:39 ... I think Apr 08 21:25:46 I had a real bash working Apr 08 21:25:47 hmph, why I don't see it in env anyhow Apr 08 21:25:52 what would you recommand Doc Apr 08 21:26:12 apt-get install bash Apr 08 21:26:28 oh, right! if I close the xterm, ash dies uncleanly and doesn't write the history file; if I ctrl-d in a term, then it saves history Apr 08 21:26:51 DocScrutinizer: how I make it default? Apr 08 21:28:00 installing bash is nice, but not having all the associated utilities is meh :/ Apr 08 21:28:10 not recommended (at least for user) - rumor has it it will bork your boot. Just change your xterm .desktop to start bash in a terminal Apr 08 21:28:14 jacekowski: nice job with chromium o/ Apr 08 21:28:31 DocScrutinizer: okaydokay, thanks! Apr 08 21:28:53 Scelt: there is still a lot of work to be done Apr 08 21:29:24 jacekowski: yeah, sure Apr 08 21:29:26 yep, e.g apt-get install findutils Apr 08 21:29:40 less Apr 08 21:30:04 will a firmware reinstall wipe my device completely? I got my n900 used and it has 2 previous owners Apr 08 21:30:06 DocScrutinizer: where do i find .desktops again? Apr 08 21:30:09 i wanna wipe it and start fresh Apr 08 21:30:20 Scelt: i'm not sure how much stuff i've broken while trying to make it compile Apr 08 21:30:28 jacekowski: :] Apr 08 21:30:28 slingr, sure, flash the rootfs and the eMMC and it'll be as new Apr 08 21:30:52 the only thing remembered after reflashing is the device lock code, I think Apr 08 21:31:42 should i just use nokia's update software to do this? Apr 08 21:31:49 Scelt: forgot, sorry. find / | grep .desktop Apr 08 21:31:57 soo, just got my n900, updated it. cant find moka messanger though. I'm on Tmobile USA Apr 08 21:32:00 *nokia Apr 08 21:32:09 ive heard other people got issues as well Apr 08 21:32:39 its new account-> account provider->nokia messanger Apr 08 21:34:01 grr, can't patch a damn .diff Apr 08 21:34:57 w00t_, you floating Apr 08 21:35:13 ? Apr 08 21:35:43 * javispedro has hearth attack Apr 08 21:35:50 while reading a quite depressing tmo post :) Apr 08 21:35:51 DocScrutinizer: thx Apr 08 21:36:04 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=601731#post601731 heh. Apr 08 21:36:28 can i has windows xp no you need ntfs kernel modules Apr 08 21:36:34 .. Apr 08 21:37:57 fuck, my phone freezed Apr 08 21:38:19 I just saved the desktop file :P Apr 08 21:40:46 DocScrutinizer: lemme out a little more. Exec="/usr... bash" didn't turn out. what I did wrong? Apr 08 21:41:16 bye Apr 08 21:41:34 lol Apr 08 21:41:35 he'll be back Apr 08 21:41:39 Scelt, pastebin your full desktop file please Apr 08 21:42:57 or copy an existing gone, like mc Apr 08 21:43:08 which does Exec=osso-xterm -e mc, so I suspect you want Exec=osso-xterm -e bash Apr 08 21:43:25 but then again I don't know what you're trying to achieve here, just guessing Apr 08 21:43:48 i think you're right Apr 08 21:43:53 with -e Apr 08 21:44:01 but hey, my phone freezed the second time already Apr 08 21:44:09 after nano save & close Apr 08 21:44:18 it's /bin/bash not /usr/bash Apr 08 21:44:47 MohammadAG: I meant /usr/bin/osso-xterm bash Apr 08 21:44:53 just shortened it Apr 08 21:45:13 but now my phone is dead again so waiting for reboot Apr 08 21:45:22 what a powerful app that nano is Apr 08 21:45:36 * MohammadAG concurs Apr 08 21:45:48 I think the new nano supports syntax highlighting Apr 08 21:45:59 and killing n900 Apr 08 21:46:01 which must be overheating the CPU, clearly Apr 08 21:46:14 or maybe filling up all the RAM Apr 08 21:46:49 Scelt, give it time Apr 08 21:47:00 when you save the .desktop file the menu gets regenerated Apr 08 21:47:00 Scelt: chrome? Apr 08 21:47:15 jacekowski, nano (editing .desktop file) Apr 08 21:47:18 jacekowski: didn't open up chrome after first freeze Apr 08 21:47:30 MohammadAG: oh, okay :D Apr 08 21:47:35 i'm running sunspider on it Apr 08 21:47:36 MohammadAG: that may explain something Apr 08 21:47:39 and it's slow Apr 08 21:48:23 solarion, I ask again, how do I patch a folder with a .diff file? Apr 08 21:48:27 no I saved it again Apr 08 21:48:36 Scelt, also, no -e in your Exec line? Apr 08 21:48:38 patch -p1 < aaa.diff Apr 08 21:48:40 patch -p1 <.diff> isn't working Apr 08 21:48:52 mgedmin: Exec=/usr/bin/osso-xterm -e bash Apr 08 21:48:55 oh, the < Apr 08 21:48:56 just one < Apr 08 21:48:56 mgedmin: that's the line now Apr 08 21:49:07 mine was for reference, I didn't even use it Apr 08 21:49:14 thanks jacekowski Apr 08 21:49:21 mgedmin: not working Apr 08 21:49:23 i know i'm great Apr 08 21:49:27 i had quite good week Apr 08 21:49:29 hm Apr 08 21:49:30 lol Apr 08 21:49:32 * mgedmin shrugs Apr 08 21:49:44 btw what does "not working" mean? Apr 08 21:49:48 terminal doesn't open? Apr 08 21:49:52 opens with an error message? Apr 08 21:49:55 it does but no bash Apr 08 21:49:57 opens and closes immediatelly? Apr 08 21:49:59 I tried from terminal now Apr 08 21:50:02 opens and has ash running? Apr 08 21:50:09 /usr/bin/osso-xterm bash Apr 08 21:50:13 and it worked fine Apr 08 21:50:16 but Apr 08 21:50:24 now trying to edit .desktop-file Apr 08 21:50:31 not working meant opening and running ash Apr 08 21:50:58 hm Apr 08 21:51:08 the freeze really was about menu refresh :P fuck, I'm getting too impatient Apr 08 21:51:19 and swearing all the time. sorry Apr 08 21:51:31 * MohammadAG gets some soap Apr 08 21:51:50 mgedmin: so I'm editing osso-xterm.desktop to get bash up and running from shortcut Apr 08 21:52:20 ni /usr/share/applications/hildon/osso-xterm.desktop Apr 08 21:52:30 js performance is a disaster Apr 08 21:52:31 ni? Apr 08 21:52:39 in I meant Apr 08 21:52:41 it's either nano or vi not both lol Apr 08 21:52:48 ;D Apr 08 21:52:52 lol Apr 08 21:53:19 I'm just thinking if that's the right file at all Apr 08 21:54:00 ok Apr 08 21:54:08 i've tested javascript performance Apr 08 21:54:12 damn, I'm editing the menu shortcut. I think Apr 08 21:54:14 on v8 benchmark Apr 08 21:54:28 Scelt, and lauching from a desktop shortcut? Apr 08 21:54:30 it's about 3000 on my desktop on opera Apr 08 21:54:35 mgedmin: yeah Apr 08 21:54:39 heh, cool Apr 08 21:54:47 plausible answer Apr 08 21:54:55 and about 100 on chrome on n900 Apr 08 21:55:12 mgedmin: but where I can find desktop shortcut then? Apr 08 21:55:21 and about 15 on microb Apr 08 21:55:22 evening chaps Apr 08 21:56:26 Scelt, hm, actually they're the same, AFAICS Apr 08 21:56:44 so chrome performance compared to microb is great Apr 08 21:56:44 there's a gconf key that lists all the desktop files added as shortcuts to the desktop Apr 08 21:56:52 but not even close to desktop performance Apr 08 21:56:58 plus some extra keys that detail which desktop and at what coordinates Apr 08 21:57:24 Scelt: what are you doing Apr 08 21:57:29 mgedmin: :( what's wrong then Apr 08 21:57:35 Scelt: i had quite a bit of trouble with .desktop files today Apr 08 21:57:42 Scelt, perhaps osso-xterm is already running in the background Apr 08 21:57:46 jacekowski: making the xterm run as bash on startup Apr 08 21:57:54 jacekowski: can you do some other tests? How long does frontpages of slashdot, ebay, ... take to render? Apr 08 21:57:58 mgedmin: njet Apr 08 21:58:00 Scelt, so the desktop file tells it to open a new window instead of starting a new app with the right command line Apr 08 21:58:23 or maybe when X-Osso-Service is specified maemo ignores the Exec line altogether? Apr 08 21:58:28 should it be Exec=... or Exec="..." Apr 08 21:58:37 I bet that's it Apr 08 21:58:51 then I comment it Apr 08 21:59:00 or edit /usr/share/dbus-1/services/osso-xterm.service instead Apr 08 21:59:05 scary Apr 08 21:59:07 waaat Apr 08 21:59:09 maybe not Apr 08 21:59:20 too afraid Apr 08 21:59:23 there's also the chsh option: change your shell in /etc/passwd Apr 08 21:59:33 I'm also too scared to accidentally break something by doing that ;) Apr 08 21:59:37 so I live with busybox sh Apr 08 21:59:39 docman said it may cause trouble Apr 08 21:59:52 have you got mc installed? Apr 08 22:00:02 it has a working desktop file that opens an xterm with mc running inside Apr 08 22:00:04 I have to ask "mc?" so I bet not Apr 08 22:00:07 you could create a bash.desktop doing the same thing Apr 08 22:00:13 :] Apr 08 22:00:17 midnight commander Apr 08 22:00:21 mc is a fun xterm file manager Apr 08 22:00:31 more useful over ssh than from xterm Apr 08 22:00:32 pure xterm is more fun Apr 08 22:00:38 \o/ Apr 08 22:00:53 RUUNNNINNNGGG BAAASH Apr 08 22:00:55 pure xterm is like navigating a house with your eyes closed: fun, but not quick Apr 08 22:01:15 mgedmin: #X-osso-service <3 Apr 08 22:02:03 curious: if you try to use the xterm launcher more than once, will it open several xterms now? Apr 08 22:02:15 ordinarily it would just bring the already-running xterm window to the foreground Apr 08 22:02:30 does the same Apr 08 22:02:38 open the already open Apr 08 22:02:44 pure xterm is like navigating a house with your eyes closed: fun, but not quick Apr 08 22:02:44 good english Apr 08 22:02:49 but it's still fun :P Apr 08 22:03:48 has anybody ported any interactive fiction games for maemo? Apr 08 22:04:07 well, if you know linux like i do - using the raw terminal is just at home as using emelfm2 xD Apr 08 22:04:32 mgedmin: thanks for your help! Apr 08 22:05:04 irreco would be more useful if the ir wasn't so weak Apr 08 22:05:24 Scelt, it's not weak, it's directional Apr 08 22:05:38 MohammadAG: both Apr 08 22:05:44 and if you know the terminal, it's not like navigating around a house with your eyes closed ;P Apr 08 22:06:00 only works if I'm pointing in a straight line, but it works from a long distance (my trip to the mall proved it) Apr 08 22:06:40 and lirc daemon doesn't run on it's own Apr 08 22:06:46 I have to run it from terminal Apr 08 22:06:57 then I forget to stop it and my battery drains Apr 08 22:06:57 * lardman mutters to himself about the general crapness of Ovi Maps Apr 08 22:07:12 lardman: waiting for the ovi maps 3 Apr 08 22:07:18 * MohammadAG tells lardman to go buy sygic Apr 08 22:07:25 Scelt, keep dreaming :P Apr 08 22:07:34 Scelt: no idea, but it's really rubbish now that I've had to use the current version Apr 08 22:07:55 MohammadAG: buy! no chance, I'll write my own Apr 08 22:07:57 got 3 in my N82. it's great Apr 08 22:08:33 lardman, then buy it for free :P Apr 08 22:08:41 yeah Apr 08 22:08:55 just. need. digital. compass. Apr 08 22:08:58 i really want sygic but its too expensive for me right now Apr 08 22:09:12 lardman, solder one Apr 08 22:09:23 is there a HowTo yet? Apr 08 22:09:49 just rip a hole in the battery cover and solder it Apr 08 22:09:59 oh btw it would be analogue, but should work Apr 08 22:10:26 yeah, but what component and where to solder it and has someone sorted out drivers yet, etc Apr 08 22:10:59 lardman, not really, just buy a compass and solder it Apr 08 22:11:14 then flip the N900 to look at the direction and flip it back to adjust maps Apr 08 22:11:25 lol Apr 08 22:11:31 not quite what I want here Apr 08 22:12:02 i.e. augmented reality apps Apr 08 22:12:27 TomaszD: ty mi powiedz Apr 08 22:12:42 b-man|laptop, my point was that in xterm you don't see what files are in $PWD unless you explicitly reach out and fell around you with 'ls' Apr 08 22:13:06 TomaszD: co ja zle zrobilem ze paczka jest w http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/non-free/source/c/chromium/ a nie ma jej w app managerze Apr 08 22:13:14 TomaszD: i w Packages jej nie ma Apr 08 22:13:32 mgedmin: that's true Apr 08 22:14:04 jacekowski, wyglÄ…da OK, nie wiem, może autobuilder siÄ™ zepsuÅ‚, a czemu non-free? Apr 08 22:14:14 bo to recznie budowalem Apr 08 22:14:21 bo nie chcialem przez autobuildera puszczac Apr 08 22:14:25 fwiw I rarely bother to launch mc these days, but it's still perfect for a few use cases, like comparing two directories, or diving inside a .deb to have a look Apr 08 22:14:29 bo to nijak nie kompatybilne Apr 08 22:14:38 wiec na razie taki proof-of-concept ze sie da Apr 08 22:14:45 a teraz hakuje porzadna paczke Apr 08 22:15:12 jacekowski, nie wiem jak jest z politykÄ… non-free, pytaÅ‚eÅ› siÄ™ admina repo X-Fade ? Apr 08 22:15:15 or sshing into another box and runing irssi and mutt Apr 08 22:15:26 nie ma go Apr 08 22:15:32 or running nmap Apr 08 22:15:37 or metasploit Apr 08 22:15:41 TomaszD: raczej wydaje mi sie ze popsulem paczke Apr 08 22:15:47 no to musisz na niego poczekać :) jak puÅ›cisz przez autobuilder to siÄ™ pojawi Apr 08 22:16:02 a ty wiesz co to za maszyna jest? Apr 08 22:16:15 bo mi sie na dosyc powaznym serwerze 2h ponad budowalo Apr 08 22:16:24 o to siÄ™ nie martw. Apr 08 22:17:06 pytanie teraz - jak ja chce paczke to ona musi byc autotoolsowa? Apr 08 22:17:28 I canmt take seriusly any language that uses that many z's y's and w's Apr 08 22:17:31 gah, i don't understand a word of this lol Apr 08 22:17:39 alright alright... Apr 08 22:18:03 jacekowski, I've no idea about autotools being somehow required, I don't think so Apr 08 22:18:08 polish Apr 08 22:18:25 czech= Apr 08 22:18:29 polish Apr 08 22:18:34 stop complaining, curiosity won here and I already used google translator :) Apr 08 22:18:35 yeah \o/ Apr 08 22:18:57 google translator fails on something like that Apr 08 22:19:03 no mieti jos puhuttais suomea. ei kai tästäkään tolkkua saa. osaiskohan googlekaan käännellä? Apr 08 22:19:03 well google translator fails on polish Apr 08 22:19:16 kaip linksma ir smagu girdÄ—ti daug kalbų! Apr 08 22:19:33 probably, but there's not enough stuff to criticise about extras to make understanding any discussion a hard exercise >:) Apr 08 22:19:34 You just went over the line, man. Klingon is prohibited! Apr 08 22:19:53 this is going into my signature file Apr 08 22:20:07 mgedmin: what language? Apr 08 22:20:44 oh, right, my shiny maemo IRC cloak obscures my hostname, which ends in .lt Apr 08 22:20:47 lol, tÅ‚umacze sÄ… niesamowite! xD Apr 08 22:20:48 lithuanian Apr 08 22:20:55 jacekowski: I visited Poland last year's summer... or maybe it was a year before that. but anyhow, your driving culture is insane! Apr 08 22:21:03 although sitting in #ubuntu-lt is a dead giveaway Apr 08 22:21:19 mgedmin: WHOIS This command could not be completed because it has been used recently, and is rate-limited. Apr 08 22:21:22 ;P Apr 08 22:21:24 * mgedmin drove through Poland twice, it was an unforgettable experience Apr 08 22:21:49 the taxi drivers are awful Apr 08 22:21:57 rofl Apr 08 22:22:19 truck drivers are scary, when they're overtaking each other in a narrow two-lane country road Apr 08 22:22:23 Scelt: what did they do to you? xD Apr 08 22:22:46 oh come on, it's not that bad Apr 08 22:22:52 b-man|laptop: drive too madly. they drive like there's no tomorrow. Apr 08 22:22:59 LOL Apr 08 22:23:23 can anybody with fresh scratchbox show me result of /usr/include/ Apr 08 22:23:26 ehh Apr 08 22:23:27 Scelt: hey, at least they get there fast! xD Apr 08 22:23:30 find /usr/include/ Apr 08 22:23:46 b-man|laptop: yeah, sure. if they get there... Apr 08 22:23:55 lol Apr 08 22:24:28 if you want really bad driving, go to south africa, we're a bit better over here :P Apr 08 22:24:31 I can take the highspeed and overtakings, but when driver seems to scare too, it's going off the limits Apr 08 22:24:56 TomaszD: at least they don't go so fast with donkeys :D Apr 08 22:25:12 Scelt: the most scarry thing happened to me in UK Apr 08 22:25:19 jacekowski: tell me more Apr 08 22:25:23 Scelt: i was doing steady 90mph Apr 08 22:25:35 heh, already illegal, but do go on Apr 08 22:25:36 and there was like a hill with a bend Apr 08 22:25:42 rofl Apr 08 22:26:00 i see where this is going! :D Apr 08 22:26:00 and somebody was overtaking huge lorry Apr 08 22:26:13 and he was probably doing another 90mph as well Apr 08 22:26:19 :-D Apr 08 22:26:31 so the scary thing was you not adjusting your speed to road conditions, ok Apr 08 22:26:45 lol Apr 08 22:26:49 and doing way over the limit Apr 08 22:26:53 speed limit on that road was 60 Apr 08 22:26:58 xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Apr 08 22:27:05 btw, are they really using mph in UK too? I thought only USA and that one african country used them anymore Apr 08 22:27:05 so that wouldn't be that much difference Apr 08 22:27:27 speed limits are not recommended speeds. Apr 08 22:27:29 Scelt: yep, we are using miles here Apr 08 22:27:39 jacekowski: you in UK? Apr 08 22:27:43 yes Apr 08 22:27:50 okay Apr 08 22:27:56 SpeedEvil_: i know, it's minimum speed on the road Apr 08 22:28:20 going 30 miles (~50 kmh) over the speed limit would end up losing the driving card in Finland Apr 08 22:28:21 we treat the speed "limits" as vague suggestions over here Apr 08 22:28:33 hehe Apr 08 22:28:49 you have a case in point in the story Apr 08 22:28:55 Scelt: here the same Apr 08 22:28:59 Scelt: if you get caught Apr 08 22:29:09 jacekowski: yeah, if :) Apr 08 22:29:13 "we suggest 30mph, but you can go 60 if you want" LOL Apr 08 22:29:38 no, you don't lose your license if you go 50kmh over the speed limit jacekowski, or are you talking about UK? Apr 08 22:29:50 UK Apr 08 22:29:55 well you don't lose it Apr 08 22:29:58 you go to court Apr 08 22:30:09 somebody at work did it Apr 08 22:30:10 same in the US Apr 08 22:30:10 but still. we Finns drive pretty nicely after all. Going 140 kmh when limit is 120 kmh and stuff like that, when you get away with a general ticket and maximum of 115 euro payment Apr 08 22:30:29 but he was doing over 110 mph on a bike Apr 08 22:30:55 ( he overtook undercover police car while training pursuit ) Apr 08 22:31:00 he got arrested Apr 08 22:31:03 went to court Apr 08 22:31:07 and left with month ban Apr 08 22:32:36 god damn, I hope you don't speak the same way as you write, because you seem to have a general aversion towards articles, sorry, I can't get over it Apr 08 22:32:39 :) Apr 08 22:32:46 somewhere in Lapland I could drive really over the limits but not here. Police is everywhere and I don't wanna lose my license. it costs too much Apr 08 22:32:47 jacekowski: where i'm at, if your pulled over for speeding and your under 18, you automatically loose you license until your 18 Apr 08 22:33:22 b-man|laptop: we also get one year ban for getting one Apr 08 22:33:39 heh Apr 08 22:35:27 There is the alternative speed regulation of course. Apr 08 22:35:49 Fuel costing 1.20 pounds a litre Apr 08 22:35:57 no it doesn't Apr 08 22:36:15 it's barely $1 per litre! Apr 08 22:36:18 and i still remember when it used to be under 1 pound Apr 08 22:36:20 ($8/us gallon) Apr 08 22:36:43 jacekowski: we shall thank the yankees for that Apr 08 22:36:47 well but our's is 95 and yours is 87 i think Apr 08 22:36:59 87 :-D Apr 08 22:37:01 that's why us cars use mor fuel Apr 08 22:37:11 and it works out at about same price per km Apr 08 22:37:16 SpeedEvil_: I suddenly realise how deranged Australia is. Dollars, but litres. Apr 08 22:37:25 we have 95, 98 and V-POWER WROOM WROOM Apr 08 22:37:48 yeah we have 97 and v-power Apr 08 22:37:52 * b-man|laptop wants a smart car Apr 08 22:37:58 anyway, if this is going to become an anti-american discussion, I'm off to work Apr 08 22:38:04 'later Apr 08 22:38:17 we didn't get there yet! Apr 08 22:38:21 damn Apr 08 22:38:28 hey and bye crashanddie" Apr 08 22:38:30 ! Apr 08 22:38:31 well, I better get to sleep then Apr 08 22:38:42 everyone has a place to go Apr 08 22:38:43 yo lardman Apr 08 22:39:09 g'nights you little nerdieboys Apr 08 22:39:21 * b-man|laptop blasts his music Apr 08 22:41:21 ~seen Cpasjuste Apr 08 22:41:25 cpasjuste <~cpasjuste@mydedibox.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22d 2h 56m 44s ago, saying: 'actually i'm trying to see why the "flasher" utility do not work from bootmenu.sh script'. Apr 08 22:41:37 22 days ago ey Apr 08 22:41:38 damn Apr 08 22:41:55 can anybody send me result of find /usr/include in armel scratchbox? Apr 08 22:43:25 jacekowski, sure.. but I have lots of stuff installed that isn't there from scratch (pun intended) Apr 08 22:46:36 jacekowski, http://pastebin.com/gh3LtM3A Apr 08 22:47:44 mhm Apr 08 22:47:55 i need somebody with virgin scratchbox Apr 08 22:48:04 may I ask why? Apr 08 22:48:27 because i copied lot of files by hand to /usr/include Apr 08 22:48:31 to make chrome compile Apr 08 22:48:48 I can't believe I actually managed to improve something! Apr 08 22:49:18 jacekowski, just unpack the rootstrap Apr 08 22:49:23 re-unpack Apr 08 22:49:35 it will not delete additional files Apr 08 22:49:54 then rm -r /usr/lib and unpack Apr 08 22:50:04 that's asking for a disaster Apr 08 22:50:31 unpack it somewhere else Apr 08 22:50:37 night all Apr 08 22:50:46 that's what i'm going to do Apr 08 22:55:04 well, there are some files that are not in rootstrap and are not created by me Apr 08 22:55:45 is there any way to repeat sms alerts on the n900? Apr 08 23:07:00 I really hate moments where I realise I've written 200 lines of code that I didn't need to write Apr 08 23:13:14 well, there are some files that are not in rootstrap and are not created by me Apr 08 23:13:17 nokia-binaries Apr 08 23:14:05 is pulseaudio playing the audio-files? Apr 08 23:15:58 * w00t_ has working comments read support in facebrick now \o/ Apr 08 23:16:40 * MohammadAG congratulates w00t_ Apr 08 23:18:43 :) Apr 08 23:20:35 * MohammadAG pings X-Fade and asks him to change the maintainer of http://maemo.org/packages/view/facebrick/ Apr 08 23:21:12 anybody can request being a maintainer of it Apr 08 23:21:39 javispedro, how? Apr 08 23:21:48 login, visit that page, click "request" Apr 08 23:21:55 w00t_, ^ :) Apr 08 23:22:08 * w00t_ does Apr 08 23:23:16 * MohammadAG never noticed that button Apr 08 23:23:29 * MohammadAG gets emails Apr 08 23:24:32 err Apr 08 23:24:45 I wanted to change maintainers not add w00t_ lol Apr 08 23:25:31 w00t_, is there a request to remove me? Apr 08 23:25:39 doubt it Apr 08 23:25:58 * MohammadAG grins Apr 08 23:25:59 * w00t_ looks Apr 08 23:26:30 doesn't look like it Apr 08 23:27:13 * MohammadAG requests that he is removed Apr 08 23:27:22 w00t_, there, that's in the logs Apr 08 23:27:30 if you find anyone to fix it :) Apr 08 23:28:06 k Apr 08 23:28:19 gahh Apr 08 23:28:22 * w00t_ kicks n900 wifi Apr 08 23:28:24 stay connected Apr 08 23:36:25 jacekowski: chromium still does not show up, you know what's going on? And btw, did you use 'user/network' instead of 'network' for chromium to appear in HAM? Apr 08 23:38:08 someone sent me a list of good repositories to add yesterday but i didn't bookmark it Apr 08 23:38:13 anyone have the link? Apr 08 23:39:03 slingr, Apr 08 23:39:04 ~extras Apr 08 23:39:05 extras is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Apr 08 23:39:31 ptl_demands_PR12, he used user/network Apr 08 23:40:41 slingr: it was me, hold on. Apr 08 23:40:53 ptl_demands_PR12: i'm making proper package now anyways Apr 08 23:40:54 MohammadAG: cool. But why chromium still does not appear? Apr 08 23:40:59 jacekowski: ok... Apr 08 23:41:23 jacekowski: don't forget to bump the version so you can deprecate your old package :) Apr 08 23:41:38 that's a little bit of a problem Apr 08 23:41:44 slingr: http://n900.aguilarj.com/?page_id=369 Apr 08 23:42:18 ptl_demands_PR12, don't give out links to -devel / SDK repos without warnings! Apr 08 23:42:28 oh and no idea :) Apr 08 23:42:52 thanks ptl Apr 08 23:43:03 because i've used 5.0.369.2 as version Apr 08 23:43:10 which is source chrome version Apr 08 23:43:20 so would i find things liek nano in the maemo tools repo? Apr 08 23:43:22 MohammadAG: sorry. :) next time will do Apr 08 23:43:40 slingr: as MohammadAG said, when you use extra repositories, you risk bricking your device, so take care!! Apr 08 23:43:47 ! Apr 08 23:43:52 :p Apr 08 23:44:16 yeah, i had the n810 for years and i have quite a few years of debian experience.. so i'm not _too_ worried Apr 08 23:44:27 ptl_demands_PR12, extras is defined by default I think Apr 08 23:44:32 i forgot about one library that it depends on Apr 08 23:44:35 jacekowski: you should have added a 'package' version, like chromium-5.0.369.2-1 Apr 08 23:44:49 libnss Apr 08 23:44:50 slingr: ok :) Apr 08 23:45:01 libnss? Apr 08 23:45:02 that package is just a disaster Apr 08 23:45:13 50MBs of it Apr 08 23:45:14 :P Apr 08 23:45:22 weird; mine worked without that library, only libxss Apr 08 23:45:25 I guess I had to use it if I went to a https page Apr 08 23:45:27 hello room Apr 08 23:45:54 http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libnss3-1d Apr 08 23:45:58 something like that Apr 08 23:46:16 ptl_demands_PR12: i know that it was using headers from it Apr 08 23:46:28 i think library is installed by default Apr 08 23:46:54 MohammadAG: 50M Apr 08 23:46:55 ? Apr 08 23:47:12 it's 20 here Apr 08 23:47:15 you said the library was 50 Apr 08 23:47:22 uncompressed Apr 08 23:47:34 that's whole package Apr 08 23:47:36 not just library Apr 08 23:47:47 nevermind Apr 08 23:47:51 it's sleep time Apr 08 23:47:56 jacekowski, before you go Apr 08 23:48:01 i've sleept less than 10h in last 3 days Apr 08 23:48:03 the debian/optify file Apr 08 23:48:14 does it need something to be applied? Apr 08 23:48:21 good sleep! Apr 08 23:48:24 i've got no idea Apr 08 23:48:27 lol Apr 08 23:48:31 night then :) Apr 08 23:48:40 i just made it to work off /opt Apr 08 23:48:48 oh Apr 08 23:48:54 manual optification Apr 08 23:48:57 that's a PITA lol Apr 08 23:49:06 does anyone use LyX here? Apr 08 23:50:24 omg Apr 08 23:50:29 i think i hate upstart Apr 08 23:51:22 i hate it as well Apr 08 23:51:30 my kubuntu is broken because of it Apr 08 23:51:41 is there some secret magic to getting upstart to start a daemon on startup? Apr 08 23:51:49 it simply _will not_ start my VPN Apr 08 23:51:59 on startup, that is Apr 08 23:52:08 yes Apr 08 23:52:15 /etc/event.d Apr 08 23:52:30 i put a file in there for it Apr 08 23:52:39 and if i use start openvpn Apr 08 23:52:42 it works fine Apr 08 23:52:47 but i want it to happen automatically Apr 08 23:52:57 what's a content of your file Apr 08 23:53:29 is maemo's repositories held somewhere different? i see nothing in the /etc/apt/sources.list Apr 08 23:54:00 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon(something) Apr 08 23:54:04 use tab Apr 08 23:54:09 jacekowski: /msg'd Apr 08 23:54:09 it starts with hildon Apr 08 23:54:11 okies Apr 08 23:54:18 grishnav: you have to specify when it's supposed to start... "start on (something)" Apr 08 23:54:32 ptl_demands_PR12: it is... start on stopped rcS, just like sshd Apr 08 23:54:36 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Apr 08 23:54:47 i've also tried start on runlevel [2345] and start on startup Apr 08 23:54:50 and all those together Apr 08 23:54:56 runlevels won't work Apr 08 23:55:48 well what does? there doesn't seem to be a list of events anywhere... Apr 08 23:56:17 http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ Apr 08 23:56:39 jacekowski, go to bed :P Apr 08 23:56:59 maybe it starts but bails out since the network is not on yet when you turn on the device, grishnav Apr 08 23:57:10 openvpn (stop) waiting Apr 08 23:57:39 ptl_demands_PR12: could be, but it shouldn't. openvpn will just set there and recycle itself in the absence of a network connection Apr 08 23:57:43 plus, respawn is on Apr 08 23:58:09 good night Apr 08 23:58:46 try start on started hildon-desktop Apr 08 23:58:57 i tried that one too, but let me try it again Apr 08 23:59:08 besides Apr 08 23:59:13 is there a network even of some sort? Apr 08 23:59:17 i really like a way how porn mode works in new opera Apr 08 23:59:36 not like firefox that it switches whole browser to porn mode Apr 08 23:59:42 it's just specific tabs Apr 09 00:00:14 porn mode? Apr 09 00:00:22 like the invisible mode on google chrome? Apr 09 00:00:22 adalal: incognito/etc. Apr 09 00:00:35 ah yeah Apr 09 00:01:31 grishnav: do you have an 'exec' line like exec /etc/init.d/vpnclient start Apr 09 00:01:32 ? Apr 09 00:01:33 it's called private tab in opera Apr 09 00:01:39 ptl_demands_PR12: yup Apr 09 00:01:47 :/ Apr 09 00:01:49 exec /usr/sbin/openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/vpn.conf Apr 09 00:02:08 holy eff Apr 09 00:02:16 ptl_demands_PR12: starting after hildon did it Apr 09 00:02:23 don't know how or why, not entirely sure i care Apr 09 00:02:24 lol Apr 09 00:02:41 good :D Apr 09 00:02:43 ptl_demands_PR12: thanks! <3 Apr 09 00:02:58 yw! Apr 09 00:10:48 "A few hundred warehouse workers and drivers at Danish brewer Carlsberg halted work for a second day on Thursday to protest a company decision to limit beer drinking at work to lunch breaks." Apr 09 00:11:05 And this is what they believe is unfair: "There has been free beer, water and soft drinks everywhere," he said. "Yesterday, beers were removed from all refrigerators. The only place you can get a beer in future is in the canteen, at lunch." Apr 09 00:11:51 well, they should be proud of their products.. that would be like Nokia forbidding their employes from using their phones at work! Apr 09 00:12:06 except using your phones doesn't make you drunk Apr 09 00:12:30 whats wrong with office drinking ? Apr 09 00:12:33 So you believe employees at a pharmaceutical company have an inate right to get high during hours? Apr 09 00:12:41 why not ? Apr 09 00:12:54 stop trolling Apr 09 00:12:54 I certainly use my company's products at work Apr 09 00:12:54 lol Apr 09 00:13:56 It would be nice if this reasoning was applied to weapon's manufacturers or the Big Pharmaceutical companies Apr 09 00:14:57 I mean. NOT nice. Apr 09 00:15:23 you should've said you were being sarcastic Apr 09 00:16:10 "The Reuters Ipsos poll of 23,000 adults in 22 countries showed that more than 40 percent of people from India and China believe that aliens walk among us disguised as humans, while those least likely to believe in this are from Belgium, Sweden and the Netherlands (8 percent each)." Apr 09 00:16:47 So, the US always sees UFOs Apr 09 00:16:56 and here in Europe we always laughed at it Apr 09 00:17:02 two things we can conclude from this Apr 09 00:17:18 so, only 40 percent of indians and chinese people know the truth. Too bad... Apr 09 00:17:25 - The bigger the country, the more likely stupid opinions will circulate Apr 09 00:17:52 - There are more aliens in Europe, which is why we always go "NOO, THERE ARE NO ALIENS" Apr 09 00:17:57 what about these countries in africa that think that some people can cast a spell on you that will make your weeny shrink and fall? Apr 09 00:18:17 They never said they were extraterrestial Apr 09 00:21:34 wooohoooo Apr 09 00:21:38 I'm finally freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Apr 09 00:21:42 no longer a mod on TMO Apr 09 00:21:51 * crashanddie starts playing the Who Apr 09 00:21:57 YYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Apr 09 00:22:00 enjoy your sanity Apr 09 00:22:25 quoted Apr 09 00:22:57 * MohammadAG applies to moderate instead of crashanddie Apr 09 00:23:01 Someone will be mentor of gsoc ? Apr 09 00:23:28 jkyro_, I don't want to feel tortured lol Apr 09 00:23:32 jk* Apr 09 00:23:35 :/ Apr 09 00:24:10 crashanddie: I thought you liked being a moderator Apr 09 00:24:32 have you not seen my ranting about it? Apr 09 00:24:38 he loved it Apr 09 00:24:38 It's the most shitty position in this community Apr 09 00:24:42 no... Apr 09 00:24:43 a normal user has more rights than a moderator Apr 09 00:24:47 lol Apr 09 00:24:53 lol² Apr 09 00:25:07 It took me 3 or 4 days for the admin to remove my moderator rights Apr 09 00:25:22 it takes him 3 minutes to revet one of my actions if a user complains Apr 09 00:25:48 revert Apr 09 00:25:50 I'm kidding, btw, Reggie is doing an excellent job -- just way too much of it Apr 09 00:25:57 There should be a moderator team-lead Apr 09 00:26:09 I nominate you >:) Apr 09 00:26:27 You really want tmo to descend into the 9 layers of hell, right? Apr 09 00:27:27 Ah, you mean you're moderator team-lead already? Apr 09 00:28:10 lol Apr 09 00:29:53 * DocScrutinizer mangle TMO thru a 9-dimensional mandelbrodt and feeds it to all telecommunication sats worldwide, dressed with a hoof and horns Apr 09 00:30:42 and then make a screensaver out of it. Apr 09 00:42:36 Ok, I am confused Apr 09 00:43:23 I've just watched a video of the new iPhone OS 4.0 and it has the new features... Multitask support, folder creation, multiple exchange email accounts...??? Come on. Was the iPhone such a limited device??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4p8HZGtzf4&playnext_from=TL&videos=7FfWHFxLzo8&feature=sub Apr 09 00:43:48 ptl_demands_PR12, how else would you get everyone hyped about new features in updates Apr 09 00:44:28 4.0 will be a big update cause it has multitasking Apr 09 00:44:58 now if it did have multitasking in 1.0, what would be left for 4.0? Apr 09 00:52:54 free sex? Apr 09 00:53:56 lol Apr 09 00:53:58 what ? Apr 09 00:54:12 i want a free pr1.2 !! its going to be better than sex Apr 09 00:54:14 bullet`, now if it did have multitasking in 1.0, what would be left for 4.0? Apr 09 00:54:19 sex is overrated for sure, n900 is not :p Apr 09 00:54:20 heh see what people have in their hilights Apr 09 00:54:33 XD Apr 09 00:56:59 you know guys Apr 09 00:57:12 i hate the fact that i'm still using windows on my laptop Apr 09 00:57:22 the more i grow up, the more i hate microsof Apr 09 00:57:23 t Apr 09 00:57:43 there was a time i used to fight with ppl on how cool microsoft is hehe Apr 09 01:00:40 bullet`, well they're better than apple Apr 09 01:00:51 if they suck, they'll admit it/fix it next time Apr 09 01:02:46 uploading 19.2MBs to extras-devel is a pita... Apr 09 01:02:51 especially since there's no progress bar Apr 09 01:03:06 well i dont know if they r better than apple Apr 09 01:04:02 the HTC incredible has 576MBs of ram o.O Apr 09 01:04:54 hmm Apr 09 01:04:56 thats good Apr 09 01:05:33 damn that took time Apr 09 01:05:42 moved to autobuilder, will most likely fail Apr 09 01:06:17 576 MB or 576 MiB? Are they measuring their memory like hard disk manufacturers now? :P Apr 09 01:06:31 I don't see the point in having a broken number like 576 instead of 512 Apr 09 01:06:42 says MB, but yeah, 512 is most likely it Apr 09 01:07:01 ptl_demands_PR12, well they are HTC after all :) Apr 09 01:07:22 * MohammadAG wonders if the autobuilder lives on a core i7 Apr 09 01:16:08 game, set and match: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49492&page=3 Apr 09 01:16:10 timeless_mbp: you might enjoy the link above Apr 09 01:17:17 GeneralAntilles: you too Apr 09 01:38:44 http://maemo.org/packages/view/frozen-bubble/ Apr 09 01:38:54 why isn't the package there? it was built fine Apr 09 01:46:21 sup everyone Apr 09 01:46:55 still waiting for meego's ui and maemo's pr1.2 :) Apr 09 01:47:45 let's make a community-driver PR1.2 then Apr 09 01:47:46 was wonderin bout this tmobile plan, anyone confirm the EM+ 500 w/ 10$ unlimited web is same speeds as the other? Apr 09 01:47:51 *community-driven Apr 09 01:48:50 would it be better to get the unlimited data plan card for 50$ a month or is it just as fast plus the whole 500EM+ deal and 10$ cheaper? Apr 09 02:06:34 where do the .desktop files get installed on freemantle? Apr 09 02:07:04 doesn't look like there are very many in /usr/share/applications Apr 09 02:16:10 /usr/share/applications/hildon Apr 09 02:21:02 bingo Apr 09 02:21:12 anyone here get sygic to work? Apr 09 02:21:32 Algum brasileiro ? Apr 09 02:30:58 people suggest a "dumb phone" to take into the tmobile store and get the cheep setup, would the cheapest prepaid tmo phone at wallie world work? Apr 09 02:33:44 woot!!! i'm chatting from my N900 booted into Fedora :DDD Apr 09 02:34:13 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=601109#post601109 :))) Apr 09 02:34:15 u r the man !!! Apr 09 02:35:30 can I have it for the n810, please? :3 Apr 09 02:35:34 * b-man_fedora is going to try google chrome on his N900 xD Apr 09 02:36:05 thats going to be cool Apr 09 02:36:20 how is the speed and useability ? Apr 09 02:36:50 everything is pretty snappy :) Apr 09 02:36:53 is there a means of using the phone in other os? Apr 09 02:37:05 like actually dialing a number? Apr 09 02:37:12 well Apr 09 02:37:20 maybe Apr 09 02:37:24 is the wifi working ? Apr 09 02:37:37 that would be cool to use another app that can work with the hardware Apr 09 02:38:21 how did you install it? Apr 09 02:38:37 dual boot? Apr 09 02:39:04 wifi is fully functional :) Apr 09 02:39:07 yup Apr 09 02:39:10 congrats :) Apr 09 02:39:24 ty :) Apr 09 02:39:41 also, the keyboard entierly works :D Apr 09 02:39:54 if can somehow find a phone app u could be os idenpendant lol Apr 09 02:40:02 gotta work on right-click though Apr 09 02:40:13 lol yeah xD Apr 09 02:40:15 any linux distro u want lol Apr 09 02:40:20 would be sick Apr 09 02:41:07 i love maemo but would be cool to have strait debian and then perhaps access to all maemo software under that? Apr 09 02:41:37 i am working on ubuntu lucid ;) Apr 09 02:42:00 fedora seems to work very well on the N900 Apr 09 02:42:08 yeah that would be cool too ubuntu has a lot of packages and they stay well up to date on the majority of them Apr 09 02:42:28 debian based.. could prolly get all the maemo software on it too inside ubuntu Apr 09 02:42:37 maybe even the phone app itself Apr 09 02:42:43 yup :) Apr 09 02:42:59 gsm (almost) works in fedora :) Apr 09 02:43:09 hell yeah :) Apr 09 02:43:50 power management(screen dimming, sleep) work :)))))) Apr 09 02:44:00 *works Apr 09 02:44:07 hey can u tell me just the theory of how all this happens ?? i mean first you download the source of fedora and than buld it for arm cpu of n900 ? and that flash ? Apr 09 02:44:32 chroot install prolly Apr 09 02:44:49 i used a raw fedora-arm image from the fedora-arm page Apr 09 02:44:52 yup Apr 09 02:45:08 with optimizations Apr 09 02:45:12 :) Apr 09 02:45:31 i implemented some base packages from mer :) Apr 09 02:45:31 b-man do u have a service plan on ur phone? Apr 09 02:45:45 kinda Apr 09 02:45:46 O2 Wireless Apr 09 02:46:12 so fedora officially supports arm adn releases their distro for arm always ? Apr 09 02:46:33 so far, yes Apr 09 02:46:35 erm, tryin to find someone with the tmobile EM+ 500/10$ web want to ask how well it works Apr 09 02:46:55 well, not completely official Apr 09 02:47:40 so the final everything goes to one file ? and than u flash it ? or maybe configure for a dual boot ? Apr 09 02:48:11 is there any other distro that u can use a the phone app in currently? Apr 09 02:48:21 i download a tarball and extract it to my sd card Apr 09 02:48:32 well Apr 09 02:48:45 i guess ubuntu xD Apr 09 02:49:05 i was trying to get WebOS running Apr 09 02:49:33 but the setup is very strange Apr 09 02:52:01 fernando_: sure, fedora can run on an N810 :) Apr 09 02:52:29 just need a proper keymap and some drivers Apr 09 02:54:54 :o cool, I want to hack my n810 again hehe, I have been just using it as a Ti calculator :P Apr 09 02:55:04 lol Apr 09 02:59:36 heh, python is fun: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=602105#post602105 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 09 02:59:56 2010