**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 09 02:59:56 2010
Apr 09 03:10:46 <ptl_demands_PR12> crashanddie: I've got to confess, this paragraph of yours is one of the most inspired I've ever read: "I don't like Flash, if that wasn't apparent up to now. It's a proprietary piece of **** that has become a standard on the web, not because of its qualities, not because of its strengths, but because it was there. Flash is a disease, born to power small banners, and has been abused to become a ful
Apr 09 03:11:52 <bullet`> i agreee :)
Apr 09 03:12:05 <bullet`> flash is the one thing that i absolutely hate on my laptop
Apr 09 03:12:10 <bullet`> on google chrome
Apr 09 03:12:12 <bullet`> i wish
Apr 09 03:12:28 <bullet`> there was righ click option .. "stop all flash animations on this page "
Apr 09 03:14:17 <ptl_demands_PR12> I use it on chrome
Apr 09 03:14:19 <ptl_demands_PR12> flashblock
Apr 09 03:14:31 <ptl_demands_PR12> you don't even see the flash animations you don't want.
Apr 09 03:39:29 <pupnik> mae-moo
Apr 09 03:47:51 <crashanddie> ptl_demands_PR12: thanks
Apr 09 05:01:03 <jebba> is it possible to feed an   rtsp://stream.foo.com/foo.sav    URL to the media player?
Apr 09 05:12:06 <slingr> pew pewwww
Apr 09 05:20:04 <doc|home> slingr: my thoughts exactly
Apr 09 05:22:47 * slonopotamus yawns
Apr 09 05:40:43 <opdf2> do i need to run fmms in background to receive?
Apr 09 05:52:44 <ptl_demands_PR12> Oh, dang
Apr 09 05:52:52 <bullet`> what
Apr 09 05:52:54 <bullet`> what happened
Apr 09 05:52:56 <ptl_demands_PR12> I was just stung by some wasp.
Apr 09 05:52:57 <bullet`> tell
Apr 09 05:52:59 <bullet`> quicl
Apr 09 05:53:04 <bullet`> phew
Apr 09 05:53:27 <bullet`> i thought pr1.2 got delayed !!
Apr 09 05:53:40 <ptl_demands_PR12> I was going to get my N900 laser stand from the mailbox and there were some wasps there
Apr 09 05:53:43 <ptl_demands_PR12> a wasp house
Apr 09 05:53:48 <ptl_demands_PR12> btw, there are three small rubber wheels there... I don't know what they are for
Apr 09 05:53:50 <bullet`> bad bad
Apr 09 05:53:51 <ptl_demands_PR12> it got delayed
Apr 09 05:54:14 <bullet`> u should clean that place from these creatures some how
Apr 09 05:54:29 <bullet`> maybe the wasps were planted by iphone boys !
Apr 09 05:56:09 <crashanddie> ptl_demands_PR12: there's a wasp house with 3 rubber wheels?
Apr 09 05:56:24 <ptl_demands_PR12> lol
Apr 09 05:56:39 <ptl_demands_PR12> crashanddie, no, the 3 rubber wheels came with the laser-cut stand for the N900
Apr 09 05:56:42 <Stskeeps> man, the pr1.2ities are getting crazy:P
Apr 09 05:56:44 <ptl_demands_PR12> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHxqGvQho3o --> this one
Apr 09 05:57:10 <ptl_demands_PR12> it's 3 AM in the morning and I only noticed the envelope in the mailbox about twenty minutes ago
Apr 09 05:57:14 <ptl_demands_PR12> :P
Apr 09 05:57:23 <mece> it is quite sexy, that n900 stand
Apr 09 05:58:51 <bullet`> cool
Apr 09 05:59:04 <Chiku|dc> is there any script to run to detect my phone provider so I can connect it?
Apr 09 05:59:21 <Chiku|dc> I need to reboot to get provider back
Apr 09 06:00:00 <Chiku|dc> switch GSM or G3 doesn't redetect it
Apr 09 06:02:06 <Chiku|dc> or command
Apr 09 06:02:31 <ptl_demands_PR12> command --> http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control
Apr 09 06:02:33 <ptl_demands_PR12> it's here
Apr 09 06:02:37 <ptl_demands_PR12> *it's there
Apr 09 06:02:50 <bullet`> ptl_demands_PR12, what is ptl ?
Apr 09 06:03:13 <ptl_demands_PR12> the consonants of my nickname, "Patola".
Apr 09 06:03:28 <ptl_demands_PR12> It might also mean Pepsi Twist Light, a soft drink I love.
Apr 09 06:04:06 <bullet`> aha
Apr 09 06:04:12 <ptl_demands_PR12> it's really meant only to look like an Unix command, or something unpronounceable.
Apr 09 06:04:26 <bullet`> ok
Apr 09 06:04:43 <ptl_demands_PR12> like ptl --force -i -o /home/user/MyDocs/picture.jpg -s 4
Apr 09 06:05:35 <bullet`> hmm
Apr 09 06:15:15 <crashanddie> Here's a new rule for anyone: The next person to bash Apple/iPhone/iPad gets banned
Apr 09 06:15:31 <bullet`> what ?????
Apr 09 06:15:36 <bullet`> wait
Apr 09 06:15:38 <bullet`> WHAT !!!!
Apr 09 06:15:55 <thresh> :O
Apr 09 06:16:15 <crashanddie> TMO has become a iPad/Jobs/Apple bashing competition
Apr 09 06:16:22 <crashanddie> anyone who does the same here gets it
Apr 09 06:16:34 <Stskeeps> crashanddie: iPad is a walled garden and it's bad for consumers.
Apr 09 06:16:35 <bullet`> noooo
Apr 09 06:16:48 <bullet`> :)
Apr 09 06:16:53 <bullet`> thats what i'm talking about
Apr 09 06:17:02 <bullet`> free speech !!!!!!! yay !!!!!!!
Apr 09 06:17:11 <bullet`> this forums will follow the GNU license :)
Apr 09 06:17:15 <mece> how about sarcastic bashing? Then it's not really clear that it's actually bashing
Apr 09 06:17:19 <Stskeeps> bullet`: there's a difference between free speech and being lame
Apr 09 06:17:28 <bullet`> yea
Apr 09 06:17:36 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: it's fine to have your opinion, but there's no point in making 10 different threads about Apple on tmo
Apr 09 06:17:43 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: just look at off-topic, it's fucking ridiculous
Apr 09 06:17:43 <bullet`> for one person its free speech, for another its french and for yet another its lame
Apr 09 06:17:44 <mece> the new iphone os multitasking is really flexible!
Apr 09 06:17:46 <bullet`> it happens
Apr 09 06:17:47 <Stskeeps> also, don't start adding odd rules for people to comply by without at least a public disussion. and of course on tmo, but this isn't tmo
Apr 09 06:17:50 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 09 06:18:04 <bullet`> we just need to let that happen, atleast in the room here it can die quick
Apr 09 06:18:09 <bullet`> in the forums it just goes on
Apr 09 06:18:20 <crashanddie> I post one comment about flash, and I get trolled for being a "apple fanboi"
Apr 09 06:18:33 <Stskeeps> crashanddie: go support andrew's proposal on sane moderation then
Apr 09 06:18:43 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: I just resigned from being a mod
Apr 09 06:19:13 <bullet`> crashanddie, off topic being off topic and ridiculous is ok
Apr 09 06:19:21 <crashanddie> bullet`: no, it's not
Apr 09 06:19:23 <bullet`> i think , modify the tmo to not include offtopic ??
Apr 09 06:19:25 <Stskeeps> well, your methods are traditionally a bit heavy handed :P but tmo interface invites to this insanity too
Apr 09 06:19:32 <bullet`> oops
Apr 09 06:19:50 <bullet`> i mean in the "active topics" on the right of tmo, to not include stuff from offtopic
Apr 09 06:20:11 <Stskeeps> i wonder if we can make a greasemonkey script that deletes offtopic threads from view
Apr 09 06:20:12 <bullet`> that way useless threads pushing usefull threads down in will reduce
Apr 09 06:20:25 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: yeah, I can have that done by tonight!
Apr 09 06:20:40 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: I'm a long time greasemonkey user and scripter
Apr 09 06:20:47 <mece> but I really want them removed from "Active Topics"
Apr 09 06:20:57 <mece> really really
Apr 09 06:20:59 <mece> really
Apr 09 06:21:08 <crashanddie> mece: I think we got that
Apr 09 06:22:21 <bullet`> i hate apple :p
Apr 09 06:22:26 <bullet`> just couldnt resist saying it
Apr 09 06:22:34 <bullet`> i hate microsoft more than apple !!!
Apr 09 06:22:35 <bullet`> :)
Apr 09 06:22:41 <bullet`> i'm feeling much better now
Apr 09 06:22:51 <Stskeeps> good for you, bullet` - now, what are your technical and organisational arguments for it?
Apr 09 06:24:38 <bullet`> well
Apr 09 06:24:45 <bullet`> the way i have been able to observe
Apr 09 06:24:50 <bullet`> microsoft first alright ?
Apr 09 06:24:52 <bullet`> ok
Apr 09 06:24:54 <bullet`> so
Apr 09 06:24:54 <bullet`> umm
Apr 09 06:25:02 <bullet`> there is one thing called copying.
Apr 09 06:25:07 <bullet`> there is another thing called innovation
Apr 09 06:25:22 <bullet`> and there is a 3rd thing called being-a-villaine :)
Apr 09 06:25:32 <bullet`> microsoft was first innovative asi have read
Apr 09 06:25:44 <Stskeeps> right, what do you call what KDE and GNOME has done, copying or innovation?
Apr 09 06:25:44 <bullet`> than it started copying and left innovation
Apr 09 06:25:52 <Stskeeps> like wazd said it: simpsons did it
Apr 09 06:25:54 <bullet`> later :)
Apr 09 06:26:06 <bullet`> those later
Apr 09 06:26:16 <bullet`> and than
Apr 09 06:26:20 <bullet`> ms
Apr 09 06:26:30 <bullet`> came to the third level
Apr 09 06:26:32 <crashanddie> bullet`: please stop using enter as punctuation
Apr 09 06:26:33 <bullet`> being a villain
Apr 09 06:26:40 <bullet`> ok sorry
Apr 09 06:26:48 <crashanddie> you're about this close |<---->| from getting quieted
Apr 09 06:26:55 <crashanddie> (not to scale)
Apr 09 06:27:08 <mece> crashanddie, omg wow! When did that happen?
Apr 09 06:27:29 <mece> oh the latest iphone thread is in competitors.
Apr 09 06:27:50 <bullet`> now, how do i call it being a villain? When it lost all innovation and the quality of recruits decreased from time to time, it became despearate to stop othres from getting ahead of it
Apr 09 06:28:33 <bullet`> So, it started threatning companies using linux of ip infringements.
Apr 09 06:28:54 <crashanddie> who did?
Apr 09 06:29:19 <ptl_demands_PR12> It goes much deeper than that and I think most people here know some of it, bullet`. I think they're just testing you.
Apr 09 06:29:37 <bullet`> What they did more, is started prasing the MONO hackers. When i used to be on the microsoft camp, i used to hear all the things from linux guys,
Apr 09 06:30:06 <bullet`> that linux has so much innovation, like lets say from the programming/development point of view, yes linux is awesome
Apr 09 06:30:13 <crashanddie> stop using "they" and make it clear who you're talking about -- you're not making any sense
Apr 09 06:30:25 <mece> the villains?
Apr 09 06:30:36 <mece> microsoft?
Apr 09 06:30:38 <ptl_demands_PR12> They. The illuminatti.
Apr 09 06:30:46 <Stskeeps> bullet`: ok, so, you're a fanboy, we get it :P - now, this place is also about cooperation with companies having closed source
Apr 09 06:30:46 <crashanddie> What is this, heroes?
Apr 09 06:31:02 <Stskeeps> bullet`: so extremist views doesn't always work out in practice :)
Apr 09 06:31:07 <bullet`> when i moved to linux camps, only to discover, that some of the really famous guys (mono guys) declared a manifesto , that microsoft's CLI is really revolutionary and if we dont bring their technology to linux, we r doomed !
Apr 09 06:31:21 <ptl_demands_PR12> Even historical opponents of the open-source crowd, Stskeeps? Is it possible to trust them?
Apr 09 06:31:31 <Stskeeps> bullet`: how is this relevant to maemo?
Apr 09 06:31:31 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 09 06:31:36 <bullet`> yea microsoft the villain guys :p
Apr 09 06:31:37 <bullet`> who else
Apr 09 06:31:43 <jX> Stskeeps: Extremist views are always right and if you disagree they'll kill you.
Apr 09 06:31:48 <bullet`> the Evil Empire .. the Dark Force :)
Apr 09 06:31:55 <mece> thats apple.
Apr 09 06:31:57 <mece> :P
Apr 09 06:32:06 <jX> no, Apple is the Apprentice
Apr 09 06:32:15 <mece> microsoft are humble these days afaict
Apr 09 06:32:15 <Stskeeps> jX: killing me doesn't make it their views right :P
Apr 09 06:32:17 <ptl_demands_PR12> that's about everyone, but some are more successful in being evil than others.
Apr 09 06:32:20 <jX> MS is the aging emperor soon to be overthrown.
Apr 09 06:32:29 <crashanddie> mece: depends who you work with
Apr 09 06:32:32 <jX> Stskeeps: it does if you can't disagree anymore. ;)
Apr 09 06:32:41 <ptl_demands_PR12> jX, windows mobile 7 is using some of the same limitations as former Apple OS versions, like no multitasking
Apr 09 06:32:42 <bullet`> umm its not relevant to maemo, these r just the reasons when i said at the start "i hate microsoft" :)
Apr 09 06:32:54 <Stskeeps> mmkay
Apr 09 06:32:57 <Stskeeps> now, on to another good topic
Apr 09 06:32:59 <Stskeeps> bacon.
Apr 09 06:32:59 <ptl_demands_PR12> jX, so I think that to an extent, Apple went further in their villany than Microsof
Apr 09 06:33:01 <jX> ptl_demands_PR12: I know, and no clipboard, no native apps, either
Apr 09 06:33:02 <ptl_demands_PR12> *Microsoft
Apr 09 06:33:04 <Stskeeps> did anyone have bacon for breakfast?
Apr 09 06:33:04 <mece> crashanddie, yeah sure. but apple has definately taken over the "asshat" badge from my pov.
Apr 09 06:33:09 <bullet`> microsoft is humble ..u gotto be kidding me
Apr 09 06:33:30 <mece> ok perhaps not. humble-er :)
Apr 09 06:33:34 <bullet`> they r those nice ppl who nice just bcuz things r not in their hands anymore, when the loose they r nice, otherwise they dont give a shit
Apr 09 06:33:48 <Stskeeps> bullet`: this isn't twitter, you can write full words
Apr 09 06:33:49 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 09 06:33:58 <ptl_demands_PR12> Stskeeps, too greasy, would make me become unable to finger-touch my iPhone and... Oh, wait. I have an N900 and I can use the stylus.
Apr 09 06:34:00 * Stskeeps gets bored and goes do real work
Apr 09 06:34:03 <bef0rd> hey Stskeeps, just wondering, did you get any progress with the 3d video drivers for the n8x0? :D
Apr 09 06:34:10 <ptl_demands_PR12> so I can eat bacon!
Apr 09 06:34:16 <Stskeeps> bef0rd: yes but not very usable ?
Apr 09 06:34:20 <crashanddie> bullet`: you'll allowed to talk on this channela gain once you turn 13.
Apr 09 06:34:57 <Stskeeps> bef0rd: i haven't had time. maybe the meego n8x0 project will work with it
Apr 09 06:35:14 <mece> crashanddie, that was not cool.
Apr 09 06:35:56 <crashanddie> mece: ORLY?
Apr 09 06:36:00 <ptl_demands_PR12> what about bacon?
Apr 09 06:36:07 <bef0rd> Stskeeps, oh that's cool, thanks. I have not been able to use the meego image creator, it fails to boot on vmware for me, some kernel panic.
Apr 09 06:36:20 <ptl_demands_PR12> thanks, crashanddie
Apr 09 06:36:34 <Stskeeps> bef0rd: fedora, atom or core2 with ssse3?
Apr 09 06:36:38 <Stskeeps> i use it under fedora, works fine
Apr 09 06:36:45 <mece> crashanddie, :)
Apr 09 06:37:08 <mece> hey I managed to fix right-clivk in wesnoth.
Apr 09 06:37:18 <mece> if anyone is interested.
Apr 09 06:37:25 <crashanddie> tap-hold?
Apr 09 06:37:29 <mece> ctrl-click
Apr 09 06:37:35 <mece> dunno how to do tap-hold
Apr 09 06:37:43 <ptl_demands_PR12> gimme gimme gimme
Apr 09 06:37:47 <ptl_demands_PR12> where's the deb? :)
Apr 09 06:37:50 <mece> waits
Apr 09 06:38:12 <mece> here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=601886&postcount=55
Apr 09 06:38:14 <Stskeeps> crashanddie: speaking of rules though, any way we could set up a ruleset here so we have something to adhere to?
Apr 09 06:38:15 <bef0rd> Stskeeps, yea fedora 12 under a vmware, mic seemed to work, however the vmdk that generated did not boot
Apr 09 06:38:23 <Stskeeps> bef0rd: ah, not surprised on that area
Apr 09 06:38:28 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: yeah, it's something I've been thinking about
Apr 09 06:38:33 <mece> stskeeps, yeah! That would be good.
Apr 09 06:38:40 <Stskeeps> and 1. crashanddie is god is not a ruleset ;)
Apr 09 06:38:55 <mece> LOL
Apr 09 06:39:09 <crashanddie> 1. crashanddie is god is not a set rule?
Apr 09 06:39:17 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: though, I really don't fancy becoming one of those: "PLEASE READ THE RULES BEFORE ASKING ANY QUESTIONS"-type of channels
Apr 09 06:39:17 <bullet`> ??
Apr 09 06:39:41 <mece> bullet`, !!
Apr 09 06:39:42 <crashanddie> bullet`: I removed your right to talk for a couple of minutes
Apr 09 06:39:45 <Stskeeps> crashanddie: of course not - i just dealt with some asshole-ish forum admins who didn't have a bit of flexibility
Apr 09 06:39:51 <bullet`> what ???
Apr 09 06:39:53 <bullet`> y
Apr 09 06:39:55 <bullet`> what did i do
Apr 09 06:40:03 <crashanddie> mece: you explain
Apr 09 06:40:03 <bullet`> someone aksed me something i replied thats all :)
Apr 09 06:40:06 <bullet`> seriously
Apr 09 06:40:18 <Stskeeps> bullet`: your signal to noise ratio was too low
Apr 09 06:40:24 <bullet`> flexibility is very imp
Apr 09 06:40:34 <mece> I suggest a set of rules of what is not tolerated, that can be referred to to justify quieting and such.
Apr 09 06:40:37 <bullet`> it ll get better sts
Apr 09 06:41:20 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: I think the ops in this channel are pretty cool, we've rarely done anything that went against what the rest of the channel wanted, and even if we did, we usually repair our mistakes quickly afterwards
Apr 09 06:41:29 <mece>  ptl_demands_PR12, let me know if the wesnoth thing works for you.
Apr 09 06:41:43 <bullet`> thats good crashanddie , u let me speak too !
Apr 09 06:41:49 <Stskeeps> crashanddie: i'm actually wondering if we had any problems before except with bots
Apr 09 06:41:53 <bullet`> |__|> coffee anyone ?
Apr 09 06:42:24 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: well, we have the odd spammer
Apr 09 06:42:26 <mece>  ptl_demands_PR12, should not be a problem, but you never know.
Apr 09 06:42:38 <Stskeeps> crashanddie: i just see a lot more op-ups over discussion issues and that worries me
Apr 09 06:42:39 <C-S-B> can someone remind me of the command to force a media indexing
Apr 09 06:42:48 <bullet`> any of your guys running meego ?
Apr 09 06:42:49 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: point taken
Apr 09 06:42:56 <crashanddie> bullet`: there's not much to run
Apr 09 06:42:57 <C-S-B> seems my n900 wants to ignore all the new tunes i just added.
Apr 09 06:42:58 <ptl_demands_PR12> mece, k, thanks... I will experiment with it on my tv, I really love to use my TV set for that because I never watch tv programs and if it was not for the N900, it would become months without ever turning on
Apr 09 06:43:09 <bullet`> yea i saw the screen shots
Apr 09 06:43:11 <ptl_demands_PR12> C-S-B, tracker-processes -r
Apr 09 06:43:19 <C-S-B> cheers
Apr 09 06:43:21 <Stskeeps> crashanddie: hence having rules to adhere to. a rule saying your signal to noise ratio should not be too low would be fine for me :P
Apr 09 06:43:28 <C-S-B> any reason it does that?
Apr 09 06:44:06 <mece> ~curse docx format
Apr 09 06:44:07 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, docx format !
Apr 09 06:44:11 <ptl_demands_PR12> yes, probably a bug that's solved in PR 1.2 (not kidding, it seems there are a couple of situations with that)
Apr 09 06:44:16 <mece> LOL that was silly you silly bot.
Apr 09 06:44:18 <crashanddie> mece: sounds appropriate
Apr 09 06:44:32 <LiraNuna> how do you guys debug your applications?
Apr 09 06:44:40 <ptl_demands_PR12> ~bless N900's dbus
Apr 09 06:44:41 <infobot> N900's dbus: Live long and prosper! \//,
Apr 09 06:44:43 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: yeah, I'll draft something up and submit it for review
Apr 09 06:45:08 <C-S-B> well when do i get my grubby mits on this infamous 1.2 update. >:(
Apr 09 06:45:12 <Stskeeps> crashanddie: sounds good
Apr 09 06:45:55 <ptl_demands_PR12> hmmm, lots of data to install
Apr 09 06:46:00 <ptl_demands_PR12> mece, it will take some time, my connection is quite lame
Apr 09 06:46:06 <Stskeeps> crashanddie: but with that said - greasemonkey script would be good :P
Apr 09 06:46:35 <LiraNuna> how can I debug my application? I cannot seem to run it in scratchbox
Apr 09 06:46:36 <ptl_demands_PR12> greasemonkey rules, isn't it? It solved a lot of problems, I wish I knew more javascript.
Apr 09 06:46:49 <jmc93739653> mece: Nice re: right-click.  I had Diablo running on top of a _slightly_ modified 0.10.z release of QEMU.  Though the mouse cursor would vanish as soon as QEMU captured it.  Subjectively, Diablo ran slower under emulation on a Intel C2D E8400, than it does natively.
Apr 09 06:47:24 <mece> jmc93739653, que?
Apr 09 06:48:10 <ptl_demands_PR12> LiraNuna, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Categories
Apr 09 06:48:15 <ptl_demands_PR12> just a moment
Apr 09 06:48:22 <ptl_demands_PR12> i'll switch from X-Chat to kvirc
Apr 09 06:48:34 * bef0rd checks application manager updates for n810 and crosses fingers
Apr 09 06:49:12 <LiraNuna> ptl_demands_PR12, well, that articles tells me what happens after the application is on the device
Apr 09 06:49:37 <LiraNuna> how can I execute the application on my device and capturing output to my computer?
Apr 09 06:49:38 <ptl_demands_PR12> done :)
Apr 09 06:50:06 <bef0rd> I believe there was an option for that on Eclipse
Apr 09 06:50:27 <ptl_demands_PR12> LiraNuna: there's further detail here -- http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Kernel_and_Debugging_Guide/Maemo_Debugging_Guide
Apr 09 06:50:59 <ptl_demands_PR12> you want a tool like ddd or xxgdb?
Apr 09 06:52:28 <LiraNuna> I don't want to use scratchbox
Apr 09 06:52:52 <LiraNuna> I want it to run directly on my N900, capturing stdout to my computer
Apr 09 06:53:17 <Appiah> try launching the application from a terminal then
Apr 09 06:53:32 <LiraNuna> Appiah, ...
Apr 09 06:53:38 <ptl_demands_PR12> yes... ssh is your friend
Apr 09 06:53:43 <LiraNuna> Appiah, copying the application to the device
Apr 09 06:53:49 <Appiah> ?
Apr 09 06:53:50 <LiraNuna> and executing
Apr 09 06:54:14 <LiraNuna> ptl_demands_PR12, sshing to the device isn't really "friendly" as user has unknown password
Apr 09 06:54:37 <LiraNuna> and I don't know if modifying it will break anything
Apr 09 06:54:39 <Appiah> you are debugging
Apr 09 06:54:50 <Appiah> thats so "friendly" with that?
Apr 09 06:54:53 <Appiah> whats*
Apr 09 06:55:02 <mece> is there some documentation on how to get a proper shortcut made for an application? Thought I might fix that wesnoth thing too while I'm at it.
Apr 09 06:55:16 <mece> the .desktop file goes somewhere I guess...
Apr 09 06:55:45 <jmc93739653> mece: You had mentioned fixing right-click in Wesnoth.  I think I misread your comment.  Wesnoth and/or SDL probably refuse to play nicely with Fremantle out-of-the-box.  I assumed you were running code under emulation and were having issues with contextual-menus.
Apr 09 06:56:47 <mece> dunno, but the version mentioned works very well. It's modded somewhat I guess. I only did the rightclick thing.
Apr 09 06:57:39 <ptl_demands_PR12> lindi-: it won't break anything, I modified mine
Apr 09 07:14:18 <mece> where are the icons stored on N900?
Apr 09 07:15:45 <wenkat> hi all, I have submitted a gsoc app, http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/private/google/gsoc2010/wenkat/t127074882770. Can any of you give me some pointers?
Apr 09 07:16:45 <LiraNuna> I am connected to my N900 via SSH but it's really slow
Apr 09 07:16:54 <silbo> link not found
Apr 09 07:17:15 <LiraNuna> seems like network latency, but N900 reports full wifi
Apr 09 07:17:57 <crashanddie> LiraNuna: it's probably your router having issues with the N900's power saving features
Apr 09 07:18:32 <LiraNuna> could SmartReflex be of a relation to it?
Apr 09 07:18:44 <crashanddie> wenkat: we can't see the link
Apr 09 07:19:05 <crashanddie> LiraNuna: considering I have no idea what SmartReflex is: yes
Apr 09 07:19:06 <Stskeeps> crashanddie: gsoc mentors can
Apr 09 07:19:57 <Stskeeps> wenkat: i'd give up on dropbox as they do not have armel version of their closed binaries
Apr 09 07:20:02 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: "pffffffffffffffffffft"
Apr 09 07:20:07 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: elitist
Apr 09 07:20:12 <jacekowski> morning
Apr 09 07:20:20 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: why can't we see it? CONSPIRACY! GOOGLE APOLOGIZERS
Apr 09 07:20:47 <wenkat> crashanddie, http://207.154.39.28/html/gsoc.html
Apr 09 07:20:59 <wenkat> i made my proposal public
Apr 09 07:21:05 <wenkat> so thought everyone can view
Apr 09 07:21:33 <crashanddie> wenkat: nice idea, shame for the spelling mistakes
Apr 09 07:21:38 <mece> hey ok found the problem with wesnoth.desktop but where is it generated? is it in rules or what? because the "source" desktop file is not the same as the installed one.
Apr 09 07:23:09 <wenkat> Stskeeps, do I change the proposol and remove drop box from it?
Apr 09 07:23:58 <Stskeeps> wenkat: i would personally do that, as it is a impossibility to get dropbox to work sanely
Apr 09 07:23:58 <wenkat> crashanddie, sorry for the mistakes. I do not think that will reduce my chance of getting soc
Apr 09 07:24:00 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: what would you think of speedwriting contests/challenges?
Apr 09 07:24:03 <Stskeeps> (even though it would be nice)
Apr 09 07:24:19 <Stskeeps> crashanddie: i make too many errors for speedwriting
Apr 09 07:24:30 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: nha, not english -- apps
Apr 09 07:24:49 <Stskeeps> as in input methods?
Apr 09 07:25:08 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: have the council, ever 2 or 3 weeks, put up a challenge/idea for an application
Apr 09 07:25:25 <X-Fade> Morning.
Apr 09 07:25:41 <Stskeeps> crashanddie: i saw another concept the other day.. coding for charity
Apr 09 07:25:48 * Stskeeps might actually do something like that
Apr 09 07:25:49 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: there's 30 days to complete the challenge, and then the app is reviewed based on specific criteria defined at the beginning of the contest
Apr 09 07:25:57 <Stskeeps> crashanddie: assumes we have a budget for that
Apr 09 07:26:15 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: the winning app gets promoted on tmo, front page and downloads
Apr 09 07:26:17 <wenkat> Stskeeps, I gave only 1 week for dropbox at the end. My main idea is to develop the crawling framework and ubuntu one
Apr 09 07:26:36 <crashanddie> wenkat: what UI toolkit will you use?
Apr 09 07:26:46 <wenkat> qt
Apr 09 07:26:51 <crashanddie> good
Apr 09 07:26:52 <crashanddie> pyside?
Apr 09 07:27:00 <jacekowski> qt isn't a ui toolkit
Apr 09 07:27:05 <crashanddie> whatever
Apr 09 07:27:16 <jacekowski> it's a lot more
Apr 09 07:27:20 <crashanddie> yada yada yada
Apr 09 07:27:50 <wenkat> are there other apps for the same prj?
Apr 09 07:28:10 <wenkat> i mean how many students applied for the same?
Apr 09 07:28:50 <jacekowski> X-Fade: can you tell what i've done wrong?
Apr 09 07:29:16 <X-Fade> jacekowski: NEEDINFO ;)
Apr 09 07:29:35 <jacekowski> http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/non-free/c/chromium/
Apr 09 07:29:38 <jacekowski> it's here
Apr 09 07:29:50 <jacekowski> but i can't see it anywhere in Packages
Apr 09 07:30:25 <X-Fade> jacekowski: ok, let me check.
Apr 09 07:31:01 <jacekowski> and if i'll send package that takes about 2-3h to build on my model name      : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU          6600  @ 2.40GHz
Apr 09 07:31:26 <jacekowski> with cpu-transparency enabled and etc.
Apr 09 07:31:37 <X-Fade> jacekowski: Our builder is quite capable.
Apr 09 07:31:43 <jacekowski> how long will it take to buld on autobuilder?
Apr 09 07:31:58 <X-Fade> jacekowski: Qt builds in 20 mins for example.
Apr 09 07:32:16 <crashanddie> jacekowski: 13 mins 21s 69ms
Apr 09 07:41:04 <wenkat> Stskeeps, I have changed the proposal without dropbox. Do you think qt is the best choice for ui?
Apr 09 07:42:59 <X-Fade> jacekowski: Why didn't you add the build arch in the filename?
Apr 09 07:43:39 <jacekowski> i didn't built package version as well
Apr 09 07:44:31 <X-Fade> chromium-5.0.369.2.deb -> chromium-5.0.369.2_armel.deb
Apr 09 07:44:44 <jacekowski> and that's all?
Apr 09 07:44:55 <X-Fade> ehm no.
Apr 09 07:44:59 <X-Fade> It is even worse.
Apr 09 07:45:19 <X-Fade> There needs to be an underscore between chromium and the version number.
Apr 09 07:46:08 <X-Fade> I'd recommend you to read up on debian packaging a bit, how did you manage to package this?
Apr 09 07:46:39 <jacekowski> X-Fade: there isn't much info how to build binary packages
Apr 09 07:47:12 <jacekowski> i created couple files in debian subfolder and ran dpkg --build i think it was
Apr 09 07:47:24 <X-Fade> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
Apr 09 07:47:58 <X-Fade> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging_quick_start_guide
Apr 09 07:49:57 <flux> jacekowski, does it work?-)
Apr 09 07:50:16 <jacekowski> content of a package works
Apr 09 07:50:24 <jacekowski> but the package itself is a disaster
Apr 09 07:50:40 <flux> well, it doesn't seem to overwrite essential files..
Apr 09 07:55:05 <jacekowski> X-Fade: so it's fubar?
Apr 09 07:56:03 <X-Fade> jacekowski: Broken in this state, yes. Fubar, no.
Apr 09 07:56:42 <mece> hey about debian stuff.. dh_make -e <my email address> -f ../rot13-0.1.tar.gz -c GPL creates new debian stuff.. how about if I just want to update it and add a new version. How do I do that?
Apr 09 07:57:29 <flux> apparently it does work (modulo the packaging issues), but unfortunately not very useful before it gets kinetic scrolling
Apr 09 07:57:46 <flux> or the scroll bar gets a lot bigger :)
Apr 09 07:59:22 <mece> bleh I manually modified the changelog file. Quite a hazzle actually. It's very specific.
Apr 09 07:59:36 <jacekowski> mece: dch helps
Apr 09 08:00:01 <Stskeeps> heh
Apr 09 08:00:05 <Stskeeps> http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/iphone_agreement_bans_flash_compiler (read the terms)
Apr 09 08:03:30 <mece> jacekowsky, just dch?
Apr 09 08:04:10 <X-Fade> mece: apt-get install devscripts
Apr 09 08:04:36 <mece> X-Fade, thanks
Apr 09 08:19:16 <jacekowski> i've just noticed another fail
Apr 09 08:19:33 <jacekowski> X-Fade: there is another chromium package in repository with something completly different
Apr 09 08:23:31 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Apr 09 08:25:34 <noobmonk3y> mornin
Apr 09 08:26:00 <bullet`> morning!
Apr 09 08:29:34 <mece> interesting.. the auto optify thing moved the desktop file to /opt/maemo/usr/share/applications/hildon/
Apr 09 08:29:43 <mece> how does one bypass that problem?
Apr 09 08:31:22 <BusterB> mmm n900
Apr 09 08:39:04 <jacekowski> X-Fade: can you delete libxss from repo?
Apr 09 08:40:24 <X-Fade> jacekowski: Let me remove both broken packages from non-free.
Apr 09 08:41:35 <mece> is optification done before or after postinst?
Apr 09 08:41:37 <X-Fade> jacekowski: Did you upload anything else?
Apr 09 08:41:44 <mece> autooptification that is
Apr 09 08:42:44 <jacekowski> nothing
Apr 09 08:42:57 <jacekowski> i'm about to upload proper libxss
Apr 09 08:43:07 <jacekowski> to free
Apr 09 08:44:03 <X-Fade> jacekowski: removed it from the origin, will take a while for it to be visible.
Apr 09 09:17:12 <Treibholz> how do I restart pulse-audio?
Apr 09 09:17:19 <Treibholz> the init-script is missing.
Apr 09 09:17:35 <X-Fade> Treibholz: initctl stop pulseaudio ?
Apr 09 09:18:24 <Treibholz> thanks
Apr 09 09:18:37 <Treibholz> X-Fade: I'm playing around with priorities
Apr 09 09:18:49 <Treibholz> the default seems not to be very cool
Apr 09 09:19:06 <Treibholz> audio often cracks while browsing.
Apr 09 09:27:57 <crashanddie> anyone used pyside?
Apr 09 09:27:58 <crashanddie> Khertan: ?
Apr 09 09:30:21 <crashanddie> X-Fade: what's this: http://62.61.85.167/ ?
Apr 09 09:31:09 <X-Fade> crashanddie: Some old old test machine. But that was basically the first maemo.org site :)
Apr 09 09:31:28 <crashanddie> X-Fade: it still provides some seriously old documentation on there
Apr 09 09:31:33 <crashanddie> X-Fade: and google indexes it
Apr 09 09:31:42 <crashanddie> X-Fade: looked kinda good
Apr 09 09:34:19 <mece> gaddammit deb packaging gives me a headache.
Apr 09 09:34:59 <lcuk> mece, try childbirth - i hear its relaxing in comparison
Apr 09 09:37:17 <jacekowski> where are builder logs?
Apr 09 09:38:25 * crashanddie waves at lcuk 
Apr 09 09:38:35 <lcuk> hey seb \o
Apr 09 09:40:22 <X-Fade> jacekowski: You should receive a mail and there is: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-April/date.html#end
Apr 09 09:40:58 <X-Fade> jacekowski: looks like libxss built just fine.
Apr 09 09:42:08 <jacekowski> yeah, that was simple
Apr 09 09:42:14 <jacekowski> chromium will be more fun
Apr 09 09:46:52 <SpeedEvil_> has anyone done the share to ftp thing yet? for pics
Apr 09 09:47:09 <crashanddie> there's a share to ftp?
Apr 09 09:48:17 <nidO> theres one in ovi store, its crap though
Apr 09 09:48:53 <nidO> its just a pixelpipe plugin and your uploads have to go through their service
Apr 09 09:52:07 <crashanddie> lcuk: are there python bindings for liqbase?
Apr 09 09:54:44 * crashanddie goes to grab food
Apr 09 09:54:57 <lcuk> crashanddie, i did once do that
Apr 09 09:55:01 <lcuk> but i went another method
Apr 09 09:55:15 <lcuk> because it wasnt ideal - im "testing" something at the moment
Apr 09 09:55:34 <crashanddie> is it going to make me go "oooooh"
Apr 09 09:55:35 <hrw> morning
Apr 09 09:55:35 <crashanddie> ?
Apr 09 09:57:28 <lcuk> crashanddie, at the moment, no but it made me oooooh :)
Apr 09 09:57:40 <hrw> november still?
Apr 09 09:58:04 <petteri> jacekowski: how to chormium build. Is it usable on the device?
Apr 09 09:58:06 <lcuk> think its been pushed back to pumpkin, sorry hrw
Apr 09 09:58:22 <jacekowski> petteri: sort of
Apr 09 09:58:30 <jacekowski> jacekowski.org/maemo/
Apr 09 09:58:47 <jacekowski> you can use libxss from extras-devel
Apr 09 09:59:35 <jacekowski> X-Fade: how i should deal with issue that there is other package in repository that's called chromium?
Apr 09 09:59:51 <jacekowski> X-Fade: change my name to chromium-browser?
Apr 09 10:00:10 <crashanddie> jacekowski: sue them
Apr 09 10:00:20 <petteri> jacekowski: ok. I'll try it in couple of hours. I was also trying to build chromium couple of weeks ago, but got stuck in always in somewhere, and finally gave up. Nice to see someone is making it
Apr 09 10:00:23 <crashanddie> trademark infringement
Apr 09 10:01:58 <jacekowski> i'll have to get my pgp key out of my old hdd as well
Apr 09 10:02:04 <jacekowski> to sign these packages at some point
Apr 09 10:08:18 <mece> chromium is the browser, right.. so is google (or whoever made chromium) infringing on the periodic table or what?
Apr 09 10:08:24 <mece> bleh
Apr 09 10:12:15 <SpeedEvil> Is chromium a trademark?
Apr 09 10:13:16 <Clickety> its a metal, as far as i know
Apr 09 10:13:33 <Arkenoi> i guess chromium game predates chromium browser a decade or so
Apr 09 10:13:53 <RichardP> whats the best ereader for Maemo?
Apr 09 10:14:12 <X-Fade> jacekowski: Where do you see a chromium package?
Apr 09 10:15:03 <SpeedEvil> RichardP: I've read a couple of dozeb books on fbreader
Apr 09 10:15:07 <SpeedEvil> RichardP: works for me
Apr 09 10:16:01 <dtg666> hi, does anyone know how to prevent sygic from turning off the gps when having the screen locked?
Apr 09 10:16:46 <SpeedEvil> dtg666: there is the stupid solution.
Apr 09 10:16:49 <lcuk> dtg666, isnt it a paid app - ie do you have support with them
Apr 09 10:16:51 <SpeedEvil> dtg666: gps-logger-widget
Apr 09 10:16:56 <SpeedEvil> or that, yes
Apr 09 10:17:06 <SpeedEvil> but if you have another GPS customer, then it won't be used
Apr 09 10:17:11 <SpeedEvil> err
Apr 09 10:17:13 <SpeedEvil> turend off
Apr 09 10:18:21 <RichardP> SpeedEvil: cheers
Apr 09 10:18:36 <dtg666> thanks speedevil
Apr 09 10:19:15 <SpeedEvil> there are a couple of issues with fbreader, but nothing very serious.
Apr 09 10:19:49 <SpeedEvil> For example, if it's in one of the two inverted orientations, the 'back to menu' button pops up at the top left or top right of a page
Apr 09 10:20:26 <SpeedEvil> but this is minor
Apr 09 11:12:45 <crashanddie> what would be the easiest and quickest way to draw 6 circles (buttons) full screen in python?
Apr 09 11:13:08 <crashanddie> no user interaction required, 1 hz refresh rate
Apr 09 11:14:05 <mece> It's not just you!  http://talk.maemo.org  looks down from here.
Apr 09 11:14:43 <lcuk> crashanddie, are you looking in my graffiti wall :p
Apr 09 11:14:52 <lcuk> i have many things which look like that
Apr 09 11:14:55 <crashanddie> nope
Apr 09 11:15:30 <crashanddie> lcuk: did you see the binary clock thread? Just want to complete that
Apr 09 11:15:38 <crashanddie> or maybe as a widget?
Apr 09 11:15:54 <lcuk> cool
Apr 09 11:16:11 <lcuk> theres a great bunch of pyqt stuff inside healthcheck
Apr 09 11:16:19 <mece> crashanddie, I guess a cairo area.. in a gtk.Window
Apr 09 11:16:25 <lcuk> install on your machine, find some of the interesting visual stuff
Apr 09 11:16:26 <lcuk> and use it
Apr 09 11:16:29 <crashanddie> did it in console, don't think it answers the OPs guy
Apr 09 11:16:34 <crashanddie> s/guy/question/
Apr 09 11:16:34 <infobot> crashanddie meant: did it in console, don't think it answers the OPs question
Apr 09 11:16:51 <lcuk> qpainter is the class you might want - tho for buttons, you might want proper widgets
Apr 09 11:17:25 <pupnik> n900 "Internet Connection" widget/applet needs connection stats.  Data, rate, signal strength
Apr 09 11:18:54 <mece> rumor of jacekowski's greatness spreads on twitter :)
Apr 09 11:21:20 <crashanddie> lcuk: do you use pyqt or pyside?
Apr 09 11:21:47 <lcuk> i dont use either yet, tho i tihnk this code is pyqt
Apr 09 11:30:11 <Arkenoi> seems that some packages in the repositories are already built for PR1.2 (newer qt and libhildon than are available on the device)
Apr 09 11:30:39 <Shapeshifter> pyqt and pyside are compatible apart from the qtmaemo5 package.
Apr 09 11:30:50 <Shapeshifter> only different imports
Apr 09 11:31:30 <Shapeshifter> or lets say "pretty much" code-compatible. the widgets look slightly different at times whereas pyside looks nicer for the n900.
Apr 09 11:36:06 <thresh> Arkenoi: they are indeed
Apr 09 11:41:28 <Treibholz> hmm, x2x would be great on the n900
Apr 09 11:42:15 <ShadowJK> synergy
Apr 09 11:43:33 <jacekowski> look what i've found in my server logs http://www.mobile4arab.com/vb/showthread.php?t=730608
Apr 09 11:45:06 <MohammadAG> and of course... no mention of who did it...
Apr 09 11:46:35 <jacekowski> at least they link to my server
Apr 09 11:47:23 <MohammadAG> wow the mods on that site suck
Apr 09 11:47:32 <jacekowski> jacekowski:/var/www/maemo# cat /var/log/apache2/access.log | grep chromium |wc -l
Apr 09 11:47:32 <jacekowski> 270
Apr 09 11:47:38 <MohammadAG> instead of asking him to add a source they thank him m/
Apr 09 11:47:38 <jacekowski> hmm
Apr 09 11:47:53 <jacekowski> do you understand the language
Apr 09 11:48:12 <MohammadAG> yeah
Apr 09 11:48:13 <Shapeshifter> Treibholz: x2x works.
Apr 09 11:48:15 <MohammadAG> it's arabic
Apr 09 11:48:18 <jacekowski> i know
Apr 09 11:48:23 <jacekowski> but i don't speak arabic
Apr 09 11:48:30 <MohammadAG> i do :)
Apr 09 11:48:37 <Treibholz> Shapeshifter: is there a package?
Apr 09 11:48:37 <jacekowski> allah akbar
Apr 09 11:48:49 <ech0Asus> is there a free way to send SMS to phones via internet on the n900?
Apr 09 11:48:56 <jacekowski> that's only thing i can say in arabic
Apr 09 11:49:00 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 09 11:49:03 <jacekowski> and i've probably speled it wrong
Apr 09 11:49:13 <MohammadAG> nah you spelled it right :p
Apr 09 11:49:35 <Shapeshifter> Treibholz: ah. you mean "that" way around. not that I know of. but you can run ssh -X yourname@yourdesktop 'x2x -west -from :0'
Apr 09 11:49:50 <Shapeshifter> Treibholz: so you can use your desktop mouse and keyboard on the n900.
Apr 09 11:51:19 <Treibholz> Shapeshifter: I meant the other way!
Apr 09 11:51:20 <Treibholz> :-)
Apr 09 11:51:34 <jacekowski> Treibholz: bluemaemo?
Apr 09 11:51:41 <paul98> is there vnc server for the phone i know we have viewer?
Apr 09 11:51:52 <MohammadAG> x11vnc
Apr 09 11:52:06 <paul98> thats the one ;) ty
Apr 09 11:52:20 <MohammadAG> compiling perl took a lot of time on my i5
Apr 09 11:52:31 <MohammadAG> good thing i cancelled it on the centrino laptop lol
Apr 09 11:52:35 <MohammadAG> np paul98
Apr 09 11:52:46 * nidO hugs i7 lovelyness
Apr 09 11:53:08 <jacekowski> http://www.myphone.gr/forum/showthread.php?p=3142770
Apr 09 11:53:13 <jacekowski> something from greece
Apr 09 11:53:43 <Shapeshifter> Treibholz: that would be interesting. why not make a package? I doubt it's impossible
Apr 09 11:54:35 <Treibholz> Shapeshifter: yes, should be easy.
Apr 09 11:56:20 <nidO> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/09/plywood_cheque/
Apr 09 11:56:25 <nidO> well worth a read
Apr 09 11:57:15 <crashanddie> ech0Asus: there's nothing limiting you from the N900's side
Apr 09 11:57:27 <Treibholz> Shapeshifter: but first I want to tinker a CalDAV-sync.
Apr 09 11:57:28 <crashanddie> ech0Asus: but you'll need a provider who offers such a service
Apr 09 11:57:53 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: compilation typically uses a single core
Apr 09 11:58:04 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: so yeah, there's a good chance it'd be slow on a i5
Apr 09 11:58:08 <paul98> oh didn't think vnc would work like that lol
Apr 09 11:58:18 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, well 2.8 is better than 1.7GHz :)
Apr 09 11:58:43 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, any way to make it use all 4? (/me assumes the answer is no)
Apr 09 11:59:09 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: not that I'm aware of
Apr 09 11:59:33 <MohammadAG> is perl in extras-devel?
Apr 09 12:01:07 <MohammadAG> actually nvm that, can perl be installed since perl-modules is missing?
Apr 09 12:02:23 <satmd> erm
Apr 09 12:02:35 <satmd> make -j <number of cores+1>
Apr 09 12:02:58 <satmd> compiling is something that can be done massively in parallel
Apr 09 12:03:01 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
Apr 09 12:03:16 <Treibholz> especially the c++-stuff
Apr 09 12:04:06 <crashanddie> why the c++ stuff more than c?
Apr 09 12:04:18 <satmd> dunno
Apr 09 12:04:30 <crashanddie> sounds like a pretty stupid argument
Apr 09 12:04:33 <satmd> perhaps since stuff is spread over more fules
Apr 09 12:04:38 <satmd> *files
Apr 09 12:04:49 <crashanddie> eh?
Apr 09 12:05:02 <crashanddie> that really just depends on the coding standard
Apr 09 12:05:11 <crashanddie> it's not java, you can have 5 billion classes in one file
Apr 09 12:05:28 <DocScrutinizer> as long as you have >>1 file, it doesn't matter, no?
Apr 09 12:05:29 <Treibholz> good question, just out of experience.
Apr 09 12:05:37 <Treibholz> c-stuff often broke
Apr 09 12:05:52 <lcuk> crashanddie coding standard:   one file for everything!  no indenting (for wussies) use single characters for global variables etc ;)
Apr 09 12:05:54 <wall[e]> hi, can someone help me installing graphicsmagick on n900?
Apr 09 12:06:08 <Treibholz> e.g. the kernel couldn't be built with -j for a long time.
Apr 09 12:06:12 <crashanddie> lcuk: what's wrong with that?
Apr 09 12:06:26 <wall[e]> thi's from http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/graphicsmagick/ but I don't know how to install it, do i need to rebuild the deb?
Apr 09 12:06:38 <crashanddie> Treibholz: actually, it could be built, just not linked
Apr 09 12:06:38 <Treibholz> on the other hand c++ takes often so much longer than c....
Apr 09 12:06:40 <wall[e]> or any similar tool so i can process image?
Apr 09 12:07:20 <Treibholz> building webkit took ages on my core2duo 2.4 and ate all my 2GiB RAM
Apr 09 12:07:53 * MohammadAG uploaded perl-modules into non-free
Apr 09 12:08:14 <MohammadAG> i'll most probably get sued, but i still can't figure out how to optify it from the source...
Apr 09 12:08:15 <jacekowski> http://forum.hardware.fr/forum2.php?config=hfr.inc&cat=23&su
Apr 09 12:08:16 <jacekowski> bcat=510&post=20463&page=287&p=1&sondage=0&owntopic=1&trash=0&trash_post=0&print=0&numreponse=0&quote_only=0&new=0&nojs=0
Apr 09 12:08:23 <jacekowski> something from france
Apr 09 12:08:26 <derf> Compiling C++ is really hard.
Apr 09 12:08:32 <crashanddie> lcuk: main(h,m)char**m;{for(time(*m);h/=2;)m[4][m[h][h[(int*)localtime(*m)]]]=m[3][h];puts(m[4]);}
Apr 09 12:09:22 <derf> Something about the language not actually being decidable.
Apr 09 12:09:36 <derf> And also that half the code is in the headers.
Apr 09 12:09:48 * DocScrutinizer off for fetching an Aspirin
Apr 09 12:10:43 <crashanddie> lcuk: main(){int x=3,n,m=2,*t,*a,*b=0;while(b?o:((*(t=b=(int*)malloc(o))=2),a=t+1,o))n=*b,n>=m?c:x%n?(int)b++:N);}
Apr 09 12:10:53 <DocScrutinizer> WTF?
Apr 09 12:11:08 <DocScrutinizer> my Aspirin stash is limited
Apr 09 12:11:25 <ShadowJK> That first one looks like segfault
Apr 09 12:12:06 <satmd> webkit DOES use a lot of c++ functionality
Apr 09 12:12:12 <satmd> the goal is not a fast compile
Apr 09 12:12:15 <satmd> but a fast result
Apr 09 12:12:40 <satmd> and optimization of compilation takes its toll with webkit
Apr 09 12:13:19 <Treibholz> as long as there is no adblock plus for a webkit-browser...
Apr 09 12:13:39 <Treibholz> and on the desktop I need vimperator.
Apr 09 12:14:03 <wall[e]> if i want to build a package should I build it in n900 or should i cross compile it from a gnu/linux machine?
Apr 09 12:14:26 <crashanddie> wall[e]: the easiest solution is to use a virtual machine -- in case you don't have a debian-based Linux installation available
Apr 09 12:14:36 <wall[e]> crashanddie, I have ubuntu here.
Apr 09 12:14:36 <Zahra> does anybody know how can I change Nolo configuration?
Apr 09 12:15:18 <crashanddie> wall[e]: then just install the SDK (Scratchbox + binaries). It will provide you with a terminal that runs through qemu (and hence is ARM compatible)
Apr 09 12:15:19 <Stskeeps> Zahra: what are you trying to accomplish?
Apr 09 12:15:22 <wall[e]> crashanddie, I just want to build this graphicsmagick thing, it's in os 2008.
Apr 09 12:15:34 <wall[e]> crashanddie, ok, thanks, the one in .py?
Apr 09 12:15:45 <crashanddie> eh?
Apr 09 12:15:46 <Zahra> Stskeeps: dual boot maemo with another OS
Apr 09 12:15:52 <wall[e]> crashanddie, http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html
Apr 09 12:16:05 <wall[e]> i click on gui install and it gave me a .py to download
Apr 09 12:16:19 <wall[e]> i didn't check the python code what it did, will it download things for me?
Apr 09 12:16:26 <Treibholz> yes.
Apr 09 12:16:31 <crashanddie> wall[e]: no, maemo 5 sdk is for the N900
Apr 09 12:16:38 <crashanddie> wall[e]: you need the maemo 4 SDK
Apr 09 12:17:06 <wall[e]> crashanddie, I am using n900 here?
Apr 09 12:17:29 <crashanddie> wall[e]: my bad, you mentionned OS2008, so I thought you had an n8x0
Apr 09 12:17:32 <wall[e]> or i still need maemo 4 sdk so i can build thing on pc ubuntu?
Apr 09 12:17:49 <wall[e]> ah i see, there's a graphicsmagick in os2008
Apr 09 12:17:51 <wall[e]> but i can't get the deb
Apr 09 12:18:13 <wall[e]> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/graphicsmagick/
Apr 09 12:18:16 <SpeedEvil> Oh - another app where 125MHz mode would be good. FMRadio
Apr 09 12:18:54 <crashanddie> fair enough, wall[e], go for the python script for the maemo 5 sdk
Apr 09 12:19:03 <wall[e]> crashanddie, ok, thanks a lot.
Apr 09 12:19:37 <SpeedEvil> (it keeps the cpu active 100% of the time)
Apr 09 12:21:27 <wall[e]> btw, anyone interested in gnustep?
Apr 09 12:21:50 <SpeedEvil> Is that like a open-source dance dance revolution clone?
Apr 09 12:22:01 <SpeedEvil> Using the camera to point at your feet?
Apr 09 12:22:06 <wall[e]> i think it's py dance dance something?
Apr 09 12:25:07 <DocScrutinizer> Zahra: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=372885&postcount=22
Apr 09 12:28:34 <jacekowski> i'm just thinking how big potential of infecting thousands of n900 with virus that sort of package has
Apr 09 12:28:39 <wall[e]> while i am downloading, there's any software comparable to imagemagick for n900?
Apr 09 12:29:15 <wall[e]> is there*
Apr 09 12:29:53 <wall[e]> how do you fake soft filter w/o such softwares?
Apr 09 12:30:26 <joker_89> hi
Apr 09 12:31:12 <joker_89> anyone knows the concepts of syncml spects?
Apr 09 12:32:55 <Zahra> DocScrutinizer: tnx, but in my N900 dpkg -s getbootstate shows 1.0.38+0m5
Apr 09 12:35:21 <wall[e]> will there be a community effort to keep backporting meego's rpm to deb?
Apr 09 12:36:47 <DocScrutinizer> Zahra: I guess that's a '>=' requirement
Apr 09 12:37:37 <Zahra> & maybe it works only on same version
Apr 09 12:55:26 <paul___> can u stop the n900 from shutting down e.g going into sleep mode?
Apr 09 12:58:39 <fabinader> Hi, anyone here has experience compiling custom Maemo kernels for N900? I'm with a little problem using dpkg-buildpackage....
Apr 09 12:59:26 <MiXu-> paul___: You mean so that the display would remain on all the time?
Apr 09 12:59:34 <paul___> yer
Apr 09 12:59:56 <paul___> as vnc viewer don't like it, it turns it off as phont not active
Apr 09 13:00:28 <MiXu-> Plug in the charger and set check your display settings. There's something like "keep display on when charging"
Apr 09 13:00:35 <paul___> good man :)
Apr 09 13:00:42 <paul___> vnc nice needs some work though
Apr 09 13:01:45 <fabinader> We're implementing a DSMIPv6 client (RFC 5555) for N900, and as result we needed to update XFRM transofrmation rules inside the kernel... When we compile using make evetything is compiled OK, but when we use dpkg-buildpackage (in order to generate the .deb files for kernel installation), it uses the rx51_defconfig instead of my .config file, and as result it is failing to compile my changes on the kernel...  What kind of configur
Apr 09 13:02:16 <SpeedEvil> What kind of configur trunc
Apr 09 13:02:48 <Stskeeps> fabinader: look at debian/rules and it's quite clear
Apr 09 13:03:46 <fabinader> Stskeeps: is there an automatic way for updating this debian/rules based on my .config?
Apr 09 13:04:15 <paul___> MiXu-:  is there anything like ebuddy for the n900
Apr 09 13:04:18 <X1938> Hello!
Apr 09 13:04:27 <MohammadAG> paul___, Conversations :)
Apr 09 13:04:39 <Stskeeps> fabinader: debian/rules contains what config it uses
Apr 09 13:04:51 <MiXu-> paul___: what's ebuddy?
Apr 09 13:05:07 <X1938> paul___ : what do you mean ? pidgin works a lot better than ebuddy
Apr 09 13:05:12 <MohammadAG> MiXu-, it's like pidgin
Apr 09 13:05:15 <MiXu-> ah
Apr 09 13:05:28 <MohammadAG> or telepathy
Apr 09 13:05:47 <MiXu-> N900 has plenty of IM plugins in the extras repository. Take your pick on the protocol.
Apr 09 13:06:04 <fabinader> Stskeeps: I already tried replacing rx51_defconfig with my custom .config, but the compilation failed again... I mean, is it enougth? Do I have to include a lot of disabled modules (e.g. IPv6, Nat, XFRM, crypto algorithms, etc), I wouldn't know where to start, e.g. do I need to include e.g. new items on INCLUDE_HEADERS?
Apr 09 13:06:09 <X1938> perhaps s/he's looking for an IM that supports wap.
Apr 09 13:06:18 <X1938> i dont think you'll find such a thing.
Apr 09 13:06:26 <MiXu-> wap?
Apr 09 13:06:27 <MiXu-> :D
Apr 09 13:06:44 <MiXu-> I know what it is, I just can't think of a reason why one would want that
Apr 09 13:06:52 <Stskeeps> fabinader: did you look at debian/rules? add your config in arch/arm/configs and then point to it in debian/rules
Apr 09 13:08:27 <fabinader> Stskeeps: yes, I've already done that... What I've tried before was replacing arch/arms/config/rx51_defconfig with my .config... But I'll try instead modifying DEFCONFIG directly on debian/rules...
Apr 09 13:08:32 <X1938> MiXu- : if for example, s/he lives someplace in the middle east where they still provide wap services he would need it.
Apr 09 13:08:51 <MiXu-> oh, ok :)
Apr 09 13:08:53 <X1938> thats because pidgin or any other application that creates a direct connection wouldnt work
Apr 09 13:09:00 <X1938> :)
Apr 09 13:09:59 <Stskeeps> lo FatalSaint
Apr 09 13:10:06 <fabinader> Stskeeps: OK, same error... I think it is not enough replacing the configuration file...
Apr 09 13:10:07 <FatalSaint> morning skeeps
Apr 09 13:10:40 <ech0Asus> anyone set up gvmax?
Apr 09 13:11:42 <X1938> anyone here got navit working with garmin maps?
Apr 09 13:12:00 <X1938> i seem to have got everything working yet the map i have must be locked.
Apr 09 13:12:35 <X1938> "garmin.c:811:1|:Can no find data for area: 23412323.000000...."
Apr 09 13:12:58 <MohammadAG> chromium isn't in devel anymore?
Apr 09 13:15:13 <fabinader> Stskeeps: the error is "net/xfrm/xfrm_policy.c:2311: error: 'struct net' has no member named 'ipv6'", which is a clear indication of missing includes... Right?
Apr 09 13:15:45 <fabinader> Stskeeps: This error doesn't appear when I do regular "make"  instead of dpkg-buildpackage....
Apr 09 13:16:16 <marcus__> Anyone know how to do the Æ button in SDL? on my maemo keyboard i have the "æ" button, and can't seem to find out what the SDLK code is for that.
Apr 09 13:17:05 <ech0Asus> anyone have a google voice account? i want an invite :(
Apr 09 13:17:24 <areay> hi everyone... my n900's broken. i have no space in rootfs, my application manager says 'operation failed' when i open it, my media player says 'no songs' and 'no videos' when i press the relevent buttons, and the internet radio button does nothing... everything else is working ok tho, except for it being generally slow... do i need to reflash, or can i save it?
Apr 09 13:18:35 <ech0Asus> uninstall some stuff maybe?
Apr 09 13:18:43 <MiXu-> Try freeing space on rootfs
Apr 09 13:19:14 <areay> i cant uninstall using the app manager, should i use aptitude/apt-get?
Apr 09 13:19:30 <MiXu-> yes
Apr 09 13:20:00 <mikki-kun> hi uhm, can somebody tell me what the PW of my N900 is when trying to connect via SSH?
Apr 09 13:20:02 <areay> ok cool... i know reflashing is easy, but i'd rather figure the problem out
Apr 09 13:20:25 <areay> mikki-kun you set it when you install the openssh server
Apr 09 13:20:41 <ech0Asus> can you SMS with Skype on the n900?
Apr 09 13:20:43 <Arkenoi> how to install qt4.6.2?
Apr 09 13:20:46 <MohammadAG> does the N900 even have aptitude
Apr 09 13:20:56 <lcuk> it has attitude
Apr 09 13:21:02 <areay> MohammadAG no but it should
Apr 09 13:21:09 <ech0Asus> apt-get only i believe
Apr 09 13:21:18 <mikki-kun> areay: uhm, i installed it, but it didn't ask for a PW afair... can i also set it up now?
Apr 09 13:21:33 <lcuk> areay in the unlikely event apt doesnt work, just go find some random large files you dont use from around and have a mini clear out
Apr 09 13:21:48 * MohammadAG starts porting aptitude
Apr 09 13:21:58 <lcuk> mikki-kun, sure, login as root and change its password the normal linux way
Apr 09 13:22:26 <areay> thanks lcuk
Apr 09 13:22:53 <areay> MohammadAG  really? sweet
Apr 09 13:22:55 <mikki-kun> hm... changing my user-pw won't interfere with the usage of the device? cool, didn't know that
Apr 09 13:23:09 <dmj726_n9001> I just submitted my gsoc proposal.
Apr 09 13:23:12 <areay> mikki-kun i think you have to ssh as root
Apr 09 13:23:13 <MohammadAG> areay, i'll try, hope it doesn't have a lot of dependencies
Apr 09 13:23:20 <lcuk> mikki-kun, i never said that
Apr 09 13:23:33 <mikki-kun> hu? *confused*
Apr 09 13:23:35 <lcuk> ive seen people change user password
Apr 09 13:23:40 <lcuk> but its not quite so simple afaik
Apr 09 13:23:47 <MohammadAG> lcuk, it doesn't affect it a lot
Apr 09 13:23:57 <MohammadAG> (actually, it didn't do anything for me)
Apr 09 13:24:01 <lcuk> i know MohammadAG but its not just a call to passwd
Apr 09 13:24:06 <MohammadAG> passwd user
Apr 09 13:24:09 <MohammadAG> err
Apr 09 13:24:10 <lcuk> you have to set something else dont you
Apr 09 13:24:13 <MohammadAG> that's what I did
Apr 09 13:24:22 <lcuk> perhaps it is and im just mistaken
Apr 09 13:24:25 <marcus__> Anyone know how to do SDLK_æ? I need it for controlling on the scandinavian keyboard
Apr 09 13:24:31 <mikki-kun> well, if it doesn't interfere then i'll d it
Apr 09 13:24:33 <mikki-kun> *do
Apr 09 13:24:48 <lcuk> areay, i find commands like: du -s /usr/share/*|sort -n
Apr 09 13:24:49 <MohammadAG> lcuk, well my N900 allows sudo for all commands, so i'm not sure if that has sth to do with it
Apr 09 13:24:51 <mikki-kun> was just afraid that i end up with a non-booting n900 as the pw isn't anymore the same
Apr 09 13:24:57 <lcuk> to be good at spotting where space is used
Apr 09 13:25:23 <lcuk> mikki-kun, user doesnt have a passwd set afaik or something daft like that
Apr 09 13:25:25 <areay> awesome i'll try that lcuk
Apr 09 13:25:30 <lcuk> or its one of them that doesnt
Apr 09 13:25:34 <MohammadAG> Fixed frozen-bubble, it should be installable now
Apr 09 13:25:50 <mikki-kun> and uhm, what all is actually "flashed" when i flash my n900? i suppose a flashing would be smart for me as my n900 is sometimes pretty lame
Apr 09 13:25:51 <ptl_demands_PR12> lcuk: when I change the 'user' password, I did just that as root: passwd user<enter>new password<enter>new password<enter> and that was it
Apr 09 13:25:54 <ptl_demands_PR12> s/I changed/
Apr 09 13:26:00 <lcuk> ptl_demands_PR12, cool
Apr 09 13:26:08 <lcuk> well i will know for next time
Apr 09 13:26:28 * lcuk gets back to work
Apr 09 13:26:45 <mikki-kun> will i e.g. loose my sms-chat history?
Apr 09 13:26:55 <crashanddie> LOSE
Apr 09 13:27:09 <lcuk> he meant loosen
Apr 09 13:27:14 <lcuk> hes rather uptight with his texting
Apr 09 13:27:35 <crashanddie> the only loose thing here is your understanding of the English language.
Apr 09 13:27:46 <mikki-kun> sorry, sometimes i mix up a few words ;/
Apr 09 13:28:06 <mikki-kun> but thanks for correcting it
Apr 09 13:28:52 <X1938> possible to unlock an .img garmin map to be used with navit ?
Apr 09 13:28:53 <X1938> :)
Apr 09 13:29:52 <mikki-kun> w00t? max of 8 chars for a pw?!
Apr 09 13:30:09 <mikki-kun> omg
Apr 09 13:30:25 <w00t_> hm?
Apr 09 13:30:42 <mikki-kun> ohhh, sorry, didn't know somebody goes here by that name ^^
Apr 09 13:30:47 <w00t_> lol
Apr 09 13:31:02 <Appiah> haha
Apr 09 13:32:05 <mikki-kun> yay \o/ ssh'ing worked ^^
Apr 09 13:32:30 <ptl_demands_PR12> funny thing about ssh in the N900
Apr 09 13:32:46 <marcus__> Noone knows how to do SDLK_Æ in developing ? (:
Apr 09 13:32:47 <ptl_demands_PR12> all apps seem hardwired to go to :2.0
Apr 09 13:32:49 <ptl_demands_PR12> you don't need to modify the DISPLAY variável or something
Apr 09 13:32:57 <ptl_demands_PR12> what SDLK?
Apr 09 13:33:25 <lindi-> ptl_demands_PR12: maybe DISPLAY is set in /etc/profile or something? sounds very unlikely that the apps have been modified
Apr 09 13:33:25 <ptl_demands_PR12> *what's SDLK?
Apr 09 13:33:32 <andrewfblack> can't figure out why my n900 is using so much resources not doing anything on it
Apr 09 13:33:44 <Shapeshifter> andrewfblack: htop
Apr 09 13:33:47 <marcus__> ptl_demands_PR12: It's SDL keyboard events. Im programming a snake game for my n900
Apr 09 13:33:50 <Anss|> marcus__, alt+165 :)
Apr 09 13:33:50 <ptl_demands_PR12> [user@n900 user]% grep DISPLAY /etc/profile
Apr 09 13:33:51 <ptl_demands_PR12> [user@n900 user]%
Apr 09 13:34:00 <lindi-> ptl_demands_PR12: echo $DISPLAY?
Apr 09 13:34:01 <andrewfblack> Shapeshifter: yeah I'm looking at it now
Apr 09 13:34:06 <marcus__> Anss|: And how would that be possible on an SDLK event? :P
Apr 09 13:34:33 <marcus__> Something according to the lines: case SDLK_Æ: (except Æ doesn't work ofc)
Apr 09 13:35:17 <ptl_demands_PR12> [patola@ubuntola patola]% ssh user@10.0.1.100 -X
Apr 09 13:35:17 <ptl_demands_PR12> [user@n900 user]% echo $DISPLAY
Apr 09 13:35:17 <ptl_demands_PR12> :0.0
Apr 09 13:35:37 <X1938> so no guru has yet to unlock these garmin img files ?
Apr 09 13:35:42 <X1938> tsk tsk
Apr 09 13:35:55 <Anss|> marcus__, i think (assume) that 8 bit keywords are not supported in c++ :)
Apr 09 13:36:18 <Anss|> or def names
Apr 09 13:36:56 <lindi-> ptl_demands_PR12: -X should forward it to your desktop?
Apr 09 13:37:30 <lindi-> ptl_demands_PR12: but yeah, can't debug much without the system :)
Apr 09 13:37:31 <ptl_demands_PR12> lindi-: yes, and it should open a tunnel setting DISPLAY to something like :10.0 or :11.0 -- but even if I set it manually, it doesn't work
Apr 09 13:37:46 <ptl_demands_PR12> s/latop/laptop/
Apr 09 13:37:48 <ptl_demands_PR12> so I can't export windows from my N900 to may latop
Apr 09 13:37:55 <lindi-> ptl_demands_PR12: it probably lacks xauth
Apr 09 13:38:06 <ptl_demands_PR12> no, the port isn't even open.
Apr 09 13:38:11 <ptl_demands_PR12> I could install xauth
Apr 09 13:38:16 <mece> hey, wyciwyg://n/http://annoyingsite.com doesn't seem to work...
Apr 09 13:38:20 <mece> on N900
Apr 09 13:38:44 <mikki-kun> how can i get my n900 to factory defaults? also in respect of the whole filesystems
Apr 09 13:39:51 <zash> mikki-kun: flash it?
Apr 09 13:40:32 <mikki-kun> flashing also affects other partitions than the rootfs?
Apr 09 13:41:21 <MohammadAG> if you flash the emmc image then yes
Apr 09 13:41:49 <mikki-kun> so it's not only the small rootfs i am flashing... good to know :)
Apr 09 13:42:59 <mikki-kun> i was told it only affects the rootfs
Apr 09 13:44:57 <MohammadAG> mikki-kun, you need to flash both images
Apr 09 13:45:28 <MohammadAG> the fiasco image which contains more than the rootfs files (NOLO, xloader etc)
Apr 09 13:45:37 <jacekowski> lvm would be nice
Apr 09 13:45:42 <mikki-kun> NOLO == bootloader?
Apr 09 13:45:45 <MohammadAG> and the eMMC which flashes the 32GB drive
Apr 09 13:45:49 <MohammadAG> yes
Apr 09 13:46:00 <mikki-kun> never heard of that one
Apr 09 13:46:17 <mikki-kun> hm, in the wiki is a guide i suppose
Apr 09 13:46:52 <ptl_demands_PR12> a guide, not a roadmap
Apr 09 13:47:10 <mikki-kun> 3.5 is the most up to date flasher?
Apr 09 13:47:14 <ptl_demands_PR12> as is common with open-source projects, there is information scattered all over the place, done by voluntary work
Apr 09 13:47:21 <ptl_demands_PR12> so you have to find your own way around that
Apr 09 13:47:41 <MohammadAG> ptl_demands_PR12, flasher is closed :P
Apr 09 13:47:51 <mikki-kun> closed?! Ö.ö
Apr 09 13:47:59 <MohammadAG> closed source...
Apr 09 13:48:16 <mikki-kun> i got that... just do i wanna use closed source apps? ^^
Apr 09 13:48:53 <ptl_demands_PR12> MohammadAG: I understand that, what I mean is for the guide and such
Apr 09 13:49:16 <ptl_demands_PR12> mikki-kun: the N900 / maemo environment has many things that are open source, but some of them are closed too.
Apr 09 13:49:44 <ptl_demands_PR12> mikki-kun: hopefully this will change a bit with meego. Hopefully!
Apr 09 13:50:04 <ptl_demands_PR12> Do not expect miracles, though. I don't think Nokia will release the battery driver source code.
Apr 09 13:50:29 <mikki-kun> well, i try to minimize my closed source usage
Apr 09 13:50:47 <mikki-kun> have been using linux myself for now close to 2 years
Apr 09 13:51:34 <MohammadAG> ptl_demands_PR12, one question, why is the battery driver closed?
Apr 09 13:52:16 <ptl_demands_PR12> I don't have the slightest idea, MohammadAG. :)
Apr 09 13:52:25 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 09 13:52:42 <ptl_demands_PR12> I just know that Nokia has a great deal on keeping it closed.
Apr 09 13:55:18 <mikki-kun> are there actually any news for meego on the n900 as a main os? i just heard it being some sort of "side product" until now. maybe you know more
Apr 09 13:55:51 <Shapeshifter> mikki-kun: never gonna happen
Apr 09 13:56:49 <mikki-kun> hmmmm, when will they then be using meego? maemo 6.0 will be for the next device...
Apr 09 13:57:32 <mikki-kun> i mean, symbian^3 will be out soon as well
Apr 09 13:57:43 <ptl_demands_PR12> maemo 6 (harmattan) will probably be a meego OS
Apr 09 13:57:45 <ptl_demands_PR12> I mean, it will be meego-i-fied
Apr 09 13:57:57 <mikki-kun> ok, good point there
Apr 09 13:58:04 <ptl_demands_PR12> about Meego on the N900
Apr 09 13:58:07 <ptl_demands_PR12> yes, you can install it
Apr 09 13:58:14 <ptl_demands_PR12> but it's very crude right now. No apps.
Apr 09 13:58:18 <ptl_demands_PR12> Only X with a terminal.
Apr 09 13:58:31 <mikki-kun> hopefully the next device won't be too far away from the n900 in the hardware specs
Apr 09 13:58:40 <SpeedEvil> Is there an easy dual-boot meego solution/
Apr 09 13:58:40 <ptl_demands_PR12> there are news about it all over the place
Apr 09 13:59:12 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, chroot, but it's not exactly dual booting
Apr 09 13:59:22 <SpeedEvil_> k
Apr 09 13:59:33 <mikki-kun> that i heard it being just an X term until now... was just curious where the development goes
Apr 09 13:59:33 <Treibholz> ash is not loading ~/.ashrc...
Apr 09 13:59:46 <SpeedEvil_> I was ondering from a comp.aring powersave modes pov
Apr 09 14:01:37 <ptl_demands_PR12> and use an external MMC
Apr 09 14:01:40 <ptl_demands_PR12> SpeedEvil: you can use bootmenu, can't you?
Apr 09 14:01:58 <mikki-kun> what is actually a warm, and what a cold flash?
Apr 09 14:02:23 <mikki-kun> once you do it in the desert, the other time in the fridge? ^^
Apr 09 14:04:51 <Stskeeps> lo orbarron
Apr 09 14:05:11 <orbarron> gm Stskeeps
Apr 09 14:07:54 <FlavioFerreiraBR> The gsoc deadline time is 19:00 UTC . To convert to time of your country use: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html
Apr 09 14:09:58 * jeez_ wonders about when PR 1.2 is coming out...
Apr 09 14:10:37 <Surfa> comes when it's ready
Apr 09 14:11:12 <ptl_demands_PR12> that's never.
Apr 09 14:11:34 <ptl_demands_PR12> so, release it. :)
Apr 09 14:11:36 <ptl_demands_PR12> how about we change that? it comes when WE are ready.
Apr 09 14:11:38 <ptl_demands_PR12> I am ready.
Apr 09 14:12:10 <lcuk> are you sure?
Apr 09 14:12:16 <ptl_demands_PR12> definitely
Apr 09 14:12:27 <javispedro> moo
Apr 09 14:12:36 <ptl_demands_PR12> it might brick my device and break its screen, but at least the wait is over
Apr 09 14:12:49 <mikki-kun> lol
Apr 09 14:13:17 <mikki-kun> so you wanna go bleeding edge then?
Apr 09 14:14:17 <ptl_demands_PR12> No
Apr 09 14:14:22 <ptl_demands_PR12> PR1.2 is not bleeding edge
Apr 09 14:14:34 <ptl_demands_PR12> it's quite the opposite, it seems
Apr 09 14:14:44 <ptl_demands_PR12> it's old code.
Apr 09 14:14:53 <jacekowski> in new package
Apr 09 14:14:53 <mikki-kun> in which way?
Apr 09 14:15:20 <hrw|gone> mikki-kun: nokia do development. at one time they decide: this will be code for users and branch it.
Apr 09 14:15:43 <hrw> mikki-kun: then they work on branch to make it work properly, then do certifications etc etc etc
Apr 09 14:15:50 <hrw> mikki-kun: then they forget about it
Apr 09 14:16:37 <ptl_demands_PR12> mikki-kun: I've been discussing this too many times here, I have almost been banned already. My point is: it's taking too long, they released PR1.2 to the SDK a month ago, and updated the autobuilder, many apps are breaking because PR1.2 hasn't been released, and there are many bad effects of this delay.
Apr 09 14:17:01 <mikki-kun> ohhh, now i see
Apr 09 14:17:03 <ptl_demands_PR12> mikki-kun: it is possible that there are many application releases that are holding back due to PR1.2 being delayed
Apr 09 14:17:16 <ptl_demands_PR12> and besides
Apr 09 14:17:21 <jeez_> I just think that the more we wait for PR 1.2 the worst it is to Maemo5, generally. I'm already waiting too much, dreaming about this as if it was "the release of the year".
Apr 09 14:17:31 <javispedro> ptl_demands_PR12: note that we (as in "maemo community") are responsible for the autobuilder, not nokia
Apr 09 14:17:32 <ptl_demands_PR12> jeez_: yep
Apr 09 14:17:34 <ptl_demands_PR12> it solves basic usability issues that should have been fixed from the start
Apr 09 14:17:47 <javispedro> ptl_demands_PR12: and we're already trying to fix that
Apr 09 14:17:48 <jeez_> I just want an email client with search features :)
Apr 09 14:17:51 <ptl_demands_PR12> javispedro: sure, but something had to be done to this respect
Apr 09 14:18:13 <ptl_demands_PR12> javispedro: I've seen some proposals, but the best fix would be simple 'release PR1.2'
Apr 09 14:18:14 <Surfa> ptl_demands_PR12, nice attitude, still
Apr 09 14:18:17 <ptl_demands_PR12> *simply
Apr 09 14:18:21 <mikki-kun> hm... it's nokias device... i suppose pr1.2 is in some way nokia-based-code
Apr 09 14:18:26 <javispedro> ptl_demands_PR12: no, because same would happen when pr1.3 would come by
Apr 09 14:18:27 <Surfa> even that you have no idea about anything
Apr 09 14:18:30 <jacekowski> svn.jacekowski.org/chromium/ ( empty at the moment but i'm sending my code there )
Apr 09 14:18:44 <ptl_demands_PR12> jacekowski: cool. What happened to extras-devel?
Apr 09 14:18:44 <MohammadAG> ptl_demands_PR12, if they did that when they updated the autobuilder there would've been heavy load on it
Apr 09 14:18:45 <mikki-kun> so it seems to me that it's their duty to make it a part of their device
Apr 09 14:18:53 <ptl_demands_PR12> jacekowski: i never got it into my repository list
Apr 09 14:19:14 <MohammadAG> ptl_demands_PR12, it's not on the repos anymore
Apr 09 14:19:16 <MohammadAG> idk why
Apr 09 14:19:19 <ptl_demands_PR12> MohammadAG: heavy load is not so bad, it means there are programs and activity being uploaded
Apr 09 14:19:40 <mikki-kun> heavy load is just not good for the battery life
Apr 09 14:19:43 <MohammadAG> ptl_demands_PR12, technically they'd have to rebuild all apps using Qt
Apr 09 14:19:54 <jacekowski> ptl_demands_PR12: package was fubar
Apr 09 14:19:54 <ptl_demands_PR12> MohammadAG: Yes, QT 4.6.2, yummy
Apr 09 14:20:01 <MohammadAG> mikki-kun, the autobuilder runs on AC
Apr 09 14:20:04 <MohammadAG> :)
Apr 09 14:20:29 <mikki-kun> ahhh, so the autobuilder is on a pc then?
Apr 09 14:20:41 <ptl_demands_PR12> jacekowski: did you modify chromium code in any way? Do you plan to?
Apr 09 14:20:48 <ptl_demands_PR12> mikki-kun: autobuilder is a service
Apr 09 14:20:54 <jacekowski> besides
Apr 09 14:20:56 <jacekowski> jacekowski:/var/lib/svn/chromium/hooks# cat /var/log/apache2/access.log | grep chromium-5.0 | wc -l
Apr 09 14:20:59 <jacekowski> 705
Apr 09 14:21:01 <jacekowski> 700 downloads
Apr 09 14:21:19 <ptl_demands_PR12> wow
Apr 09 14:21:33 <ptl_demands_PR12> this package is surely desirable
Apr 09 14:21:36 <ptl_demands_PR12> :)
Apr 09 14:21:38 <jacekowski> yeah, huge wow
Apr 09 14:21:53 <MohammadAG> w00t_, ping
Apr 09 14:22:07 <jacekowski> i've seen links to it on arabic/german/russian/french forums
Apr 09 14:22:17 <hrw> ptl_demands_PR12: I agree with you
Apr 09 14:22:18 <w00t_> pong
Apr 09 14:22:26 <jacekowski> and that's only pages that directly link to my server
Apr 09 14:23:11 <ptl_demands_PR12> I've told about it in a brazilian forum, but I didn't link your page so that i wouldn't overload your server
Apr 09 14:23:27 <jacekowski> my server can't be orverloaded
Apr 09 14:23:50 <jacekowski> it's 100mbit connection
Apr 09 14:23:54 * MohammadAG DDOSs jacekowski's server
Apr 09 14:23:56 <MohammadAG> jk :P
Apr 09 14:23:56 <jacekowski> in datacentre
Apr 09 14:24:17 <Surfa> jacekowski, sounds like a challenge ;)
Apr 09 14:24:32 <jacekowski> ptl_demands_PR12: can you link to that forum?
Apr 09 14:24:39 <jacekowski> i mean give a link
Apr 09 14:25:36 <jacekowski> and i'm amazed that only 50% bothers to read READ_THIS_BEFORE_INSTALLING.txt  that file
Apr 09 14:25:50 <frals> 50%? consider yourself lucky
Apr 09 14:25:53 <javispedro> 50%? record
Apr 09 14:25:55 <javispedro> lol
Apr 09 14:26:06 <mikki-kun> i think he meant 5% ^^
Apr 09 14:26:09 <frals> i put a fucking banner ppl have to click before using fmms and guesstimate is max 10% reads it
Apr 09 14:26:20 <ptl_demands_PR12> jacekowski: you mean, give you the link to the forum where I told about chromium? Or add a link to your server on the forum?
Apr 09 14:26:22 <javispedro> i still get daily questions about where to get roms...
Apr 09 14:26:31 <jacekowski> ptl_demands_PR12: well you can do both
Apr 09 14:26:38 <jacekowski> ptl_demands_PR12: but i meant the 1st one
Apr 09 14:27:01 <ptl_demands_PR12> http://n900.aguilarj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=544&sid=c2898421fbb24b57954db10662727ae1
Apr 09 14:27:06 <ptl_demands_PR12> this is the forum thread about google chrome
Apr 09 14:27:17 <mikki-kun> hm, a question regarding the 2.2010.08-2 update for n900... it's just a plain update, not a whole new system which i can install after flashing my n900, right?
Apr 09 14:27:22 <jacekowski> frals: well, my definition of read is based on amout of people that downloaded it
Apr 09 14:27:34 <ptl_demands_PR12> and btw, most people there don't speak english, so they won't read READ_THIS_BEFORE_INSTALLING.txt
Apr 09 14:27:48 <mikki-kun> sorry, meant 02-8, not 08-2
Apr 09 14:27:53 <raulherbster> does anybody know where Dbus signals of interface com.nokia.system_ui.signal are defined/documented?
Apr 09 14:27:58 * DocScrutinizer sighs and considers kicking ptl_demands_PR12 just for fun and to create offtime so he might reconsider his attitude
Apr 09 14:28:52 <ptl_demands_PR12> :( DocScrutinizer
Apr 09 14:29:15 <ptl_demands_PR12> I have an idea
Apr 09 14:29:30 <ptl_demands_PR12> instead of kicking me for fun, bully nokia people for fun so that they release PR1.2
Apr 09 14:29:47 <DocScrutinizer> that's exactly the point
Apr 09 14:29:50 <ptl_demands_PR12> It'll be funnier, I assure you :D
Apr 09 14:30:08 * MohammadAG waits for the "ChanServ gives channel operator status to DocScrutinizer"
Apr 09 14:30:09 <korhojoa> ptl_demands_PR12: did you upload a chrome version? whoaaaa
Apr 09 14:30:10 <MohammadAG> :P
Apr 09 14:30:14 <DocScrutinizer> also largely more hopeless and braindamaged action
Apr 09 14:30:15 <ptl_demands_PR12> uh-oh
Apr 09 14:30:29 <ptl_demands_PR12> korhojoa: not me, jacekowski did
Apr 09 14:30:49 <korhojoa> ah
Apr 09 14:32:37 * javispedro thinks of the much needed FINISH HIM!!! button in TMO...
Apr 09 14:32:39 <DocScrutinizer> ptl_demands_PR12: if you had a slightly less trollish attitude, you might apply for 1.2-betatester so you might learn it's NOT ready for primetime. If you really cared you alredy had noticed releasing 1.2 *dows not* cure all issues with borked repos - at least when I assume you're not so stupid like you try to make us believe
Apr 09 14:33:05 <Surfa> *clapclap*
Apr 09 14:33:10 <Surfa> well said indeed
Apr 09 14:33:57 <ptl_demands_PR12> DocScrutinizer: ok, fair enough. I'll google for beta-testing then! Or -- can you provide me the link to do that?
Apr 09 14:33:58 <jacekowski> ptl_demands_PR12: "coloca o link para download ae q fica ate mais facil..." - does it mean something like "link to download or didn't happened?"
Apr 09 14:34:16 <javispedro> nope
Apr 09 14:34:29 <ptl_demands_PR12> jacekowski: it means "tell the download link here so it gets easier"
Apr 09 14:34:58 <jacekowski> yeah, post that link and don't worry about my server
Apr 09 14:35:00 <mikki-kun> hm, about flashing the emmc of the n900... do i need an image for this one as well?
Apr 09 14:35:13 <ptl_demands_PR12> which one? the svn? or the packages?
Apr 09 14:35:36 <ptl_demands_PR12> mikki-kun: yes
Apr 09 14:35:38 <jacekowski> packages at the moment
Apr 09 14:35:55 <Klowner> I wish I remember who it was that I was talking about cell providers in the netherlands
Apr 09 14:36:39 <ptl_demands_PR12> doing that
Apr 09 14:36:48 <mikki-kun> ptl_demands_PR12: hm, i haven't seen those until now
Apr 09 14:36:59 <mikki-kun> just one and tablets-dev.nokia.com
Apr 09 14:37:28 <mikki-kun> but it's labeled being for 1.2009.41-1
Apr 09 14:37:45 <mikki-kun> still usable?
Apr 09 14:39:06 <Klowner> anyone around that' using an N900 in .nl? I heard vodafone has good pre-paid data plans, I just need it for a week
Apr 09 14:39:35 <korhojoa> holy crap chromium is fast
Apr 09 14:39:41 <Klowner> some guy recommended liberra or something, but I can't find any info
Apr 09 14:40:38 <ptl_demands_PR12> DocScrutinizer: can't find the beta testing link, can you tell me where it is?
Apr 09 14:42:20 <raulherbster> does anybody know where Dbus signals of interface com.nokia.system_ui.signal are defined/documented?
Apr 09 14:42:24 <mikki-kun> i'd actually like to try it as well, if there is a possibility to do so
Apr 09 14:42:27 <ptl_demands_PR12> DocScrutinizer: I wish you understood that I have good will and my criticism is meant to be constructive. Anyway, if it's still time, I'd be glad to put my efforts where my mouth is. :)
Apr 09 14:43:44 <ptl_demands_PR12> raulherbster: I'd like to know that too :P I don't know if there is any documentation apart from the dbus probing efforts
Apr 09 14:46:20 <DocScrutinizer> ptl_demands_PR12: sorry, I don't have decent links to share. Probably somebody else here in this chan can help better - thinking about Stskeeps, X-Fade and other Nokia-affiliated gurus, and of course council
Apr 09 14:47:00 <ptl_demands_PR12> Stskeeps: do you have the beta-testing link for PR1.2?
Apr 09 14:47:07 <frals> i think the 'policy' is, dont contact them, theyll contact you :p
Apr 09 14:47:25 <ptl_demands_PR12> oh... That makes it more difficult.
Apr 09 14:47:28 <frals> last round was based on bug reports or something
Apr 09 14:47:39 <frals> (i think)
Apr 09 14:48:29 <mikki-kun> frals: you mean, that the more bugs you found the higher the chances where getting invited?
Apr 09 14:48:33 <Stskeeps> ptl_demands_PR12: what beta testing link
Apr 09 14:48:48 <ptl_demands_PR12> Stskeeps: for PR1.2, is there is any link to apply
Apr 09 14:48:48 <Stskeeps> i run meego on my n900, works wonders
Apr 09 14:48:49 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 09 14:49:04 <dmj726_n900> it's very textual
Apr 09 14:49:05 <frals> mikki-kun: i assume it was something based on bugzilla activity, but i might very well be completly wrong
Apr 09 14:49:13 <mikki-kun> ohhh, ok
Apr 09 14:49:24 <Stskeeps> ptl_demands_PR12: i don't know anything about anything
Apr 09 14:49:24 <ptl_demands_PR12> Stskeeps: DocScrutinizer suggested that instead I be so critic, I see for myself that PR1.2 is not ready for production time.
Apr 09 14:49:53 <ptl_demands_PR12> Stskeeps: oh... Ok. :( Anyone who can help me on that?
Apr 09 14:50:25 <Stskeeps> ptl_demands_PR12: i suggest LSD and i'm sure pr1.1.1 will turn into pr1.2
Apr 09 14:50:42 <mikki-kun> i'd say that everybody who really wants to try something "beta" should be allowed to do so
Apr 09 14:50:50 <ptl_demands_PR12> Stskeeps: not a chance, last time I did that had a really bad trip
Apr 09 14:50:56 <mikki-kun> it's then just their prob if they run into problems
Apr 09 14:51:02 <nidO> mikki-kun: well, not really
Apr 09 14:51:14 <nidO> you push out a beta update to everyone who wants it, then everyone will try it
Apr 09 14:51:32 <nidO> and 99% of those people will just whine when things dont work properly, rather than provide constructive feedback
Apr 09 14:51:55 <nidO> look at all the crap on the forums every day about problems with rootfs and similar from people who install -devel software
Apr 09 14:52:11 <ptl_demands_PR12> Whining might be part of constructive feedback if done properly :P if it is to the right people and telling what's wring
Apr 09 14:52:14 <mikki-kun> they should be explicitly warned and asked "windows style" 3 times if they are really sure they wanna update
Apr 09 14:52:24 <ptl_demands_PR12> s/wring/wrong/
Apr 09 14:52:24 <infobot> ptl_demands_PR12 meant: Whining might be part of constructive feedback if done properly :P if it is to the right people and telling what's wrong
Apr 09 14:52:45 <nidO> people have that with -devel software already, and they still install it then whine when their device breaks
Apr 09 14:53:32 <mikki-kun> well, i just filled my rootfs with too much stuff ^^ still, enough place to install some apps, just not pr1.1.1
Apr 09 14:53:38 <DocScrutinizer> nidO: well I tend to cursing and ranting :-P
Apr 09 14:53:42 <mikki-kun> and i suppose pr1.2 won't have space either
Apr 09 14:53:52 <mikki-kun> but that is something where i was willing to take the risk
Apr 09 14:54:41 <crashanddie> ptl_demands_PR12: except nidO is right, most people whine like little bitches and don't provide constructive feedback
Apr 09 14:54:54 <mikki-kun> currently loading 2.2009.51-1 for flashing...
Apr 09 14:55:07 <ptl_demands_PR12> crashanddie: can't disagree with that, paretto rule applies here :)
Apr 09 14:55:09 <Stskeeps> ptl_demands_PR12: in case of commercial products, bad quality affects your company income
Apr 09 14:55:13 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 09 14:55:42 <crashanddie> no, it affects your maintenance numbers
Apr 09 14:58:15 <crashanddie> but poor quality of products + good customer service and maintenance/engineering management can provide a company a bigger confidence boost
Apr 09 15:01:31 <ptl_demands_PR12> or, lack of features + dream-psychodelic-like advertising might provide the customers the impression that there is 'magic' there (iThings in general)
Apr 09 15:01:53 <ptl_demands_PR12> when you don't have features, you don't have too many bugs to fix
Apr 09 15:04:07 <gouverneur> second the iThings
Apr 09 15:05:13 <gouverneur> my cousin just said that he thinks of getting an iPad instead of a full desktop, I just said "what for?"
Apr 09 15:06:03 <gouverneur> those stockholm syndrom deceased iLovers I feel sorry for
Apr 09 15:06:04 <Shapeshifter> apple - computing for the stupid
Apr 09 15:06:42 <gouverneur> Shapeshifter: thats not true but its expensive
Apr 09 15:06:50 <gouverneur> keep it to iThings
Apr 09 15:07:25 <gouverneur> those power* stuff is pretty hardcore
Apr 09 15:07:32 <korhojoa> gouverneur: tell him you feel sorry for him
Apr 09 15:07:36 <Shapeshifter> gouverneur: it is pretty much true. the apple philosopy is that if you have to learn something, it's a bad product.
Apr 09 15:07:56 <gouverneur> korhojoa: thats what I did
Apr 09 15:07:57 <ptl_demands_PR12> Jobs thinks if you have to use the stylus, it's a bad product
Apr 09 15:08:00 <Shapeshifter> gouverneur: mh well okay. mac computers are a different thing
Apr 09 15:08:18 <ptl_demands_PR12> I'll invite him to use the iPad in Brazil and getting your sweaty fingers on the screen
Apr 09 15:08:21 <ptl_demands_PR12> s/your/his/
Apr 09 15:08:22 <infobot> ptl_demands_PR12 meant: I'll invite him to use the iPad in Brazil and getting his sweaty fingers on the screen
Apr 09 15:08:22 <korhojoa> damn. i love my stylus
Apr 09 15:08:31 <korhojoa> means i don't have to fuck around with my finger in the cold
Apr 09 15:08:40 <ptl_demands_PR12> Wish my problem was the cold@!
Apr 09 15:08:42 <crashanddie> Take the apple bashing outside please
Apr 09 15:08:47 <gouverneur> Shapeshifter: true on iThings, the *real* stuff is good and nothing like easy to learn
Apr 09 15:09:01 <Shapeshifter> gouverneur: that's a matter of taste I guess.
Apr 09 15:09:20 <ptl_demands_PR12> I don't care about Apple, I am just praising the stylus, crashanddie. Some comparisons inevitably arise from that.
Apr 09 15:09:28 <gouverneur> just look at adobe, their stuff (if professional version) is pretty hard to get into
Apr 09 15:09:37 <ptl_demands_PR12> I bought a second stylus for my N900 just in case.
Apr 09 15:09:55 <ptl_demands_PR12> from the guy named 'fake' in tmo.
Apr 09 15:10:15 <gouverneur> ptl_demands_PR12: I just wont loose mine
Apr 09 15:10:17 <ptl_demands_PR12> it's sitting besides me... very pretty to see it in the laser-cut stand.
Apr 09 15:10:19 <crashanddie> ptl_demands_PR12: leap of faith :P
Apr 09 15:10:47 <gouverneur> ptl_demands_PR12: picture pls
Apr 09 15:11:16 <ptl_demands_PR12> gouverneur: many pictures, even a video: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43593
Apr 09 15:11:18 <korhojoa> laser cut-stand
Apr 09 15:12:34 <mikki-kun> they looked nice :)
Apr 09 15:15:50 <nidO> they are decent, my device is sitting in it's nice black wood stand :>
Apr 09 15:16:07 <mikki-kun> are those still available?
Apr 09 15:16:15 <nidO> ofc
Apr 09 15:16:39 <jacekowski> gouverneur: ipad instead of dektop, wtf?
Apr 09 15:16:48 <gouverneur> thats again a "what for"
Apr 09 15:17:09 <mikki-kun> i'd never even think bout buying one
Apr 09 15:17:09 <gouverneur> jacekowski: that was in my mind but I guess my look told it ;)
Apr 09 15:17:25 <mikki-kun> was about the ipad the previous comment ^^
Apr 09 15:17:34 <gouverneur> mine about the stand
Apr 09 15:17:35 <jacekowski> crashanddie: poor product+good service isn't very good idea
Apr 09 15:17:55 <jacekowski> crashanddie: because even if product is working in the end user had some downtime
Apr 09 15:17:56 <crashanddie> jacekowski: most companies get away with it
Apr 09 15:18:07 <jacekowski> well i know from experience here
Apr 09 15:18:12 <crashanddie> jacekowski: I'm not talking about your $5 appstore application
Apr 09 15:18:14 <jacekowski> that it doesn't work
Apr 09 15:18:19 <ptl_demands_PR12> the problem about talking so much about the iPad is that we become psychologically fixated about it
Apr 09 15:18:25 <jacekowski> well, i'm talking about £20k
Apr 09 15:18:31 <ptl_demands_PR12> and we unconsciously nurture the desire to have one
Apr 09 15:18:38 <gouverneur> jacekowski: with many good products you will raise your customers confidence with a bad and good support
Apr 09 15:18:40 <ptl_demands_PR12> even if it's a copy with android or meego
Apr 09 15:18:46 <crashanddie> jacekowski: I'm talking about multi-million project that take 2 years to get up and running
Apr 09 15:19:01 <nidO> ptl_demands_PR12, how about all the tablets that have been around for the past decade
Apr 09 15:19:08 <nidO> are they now "copies" as well?
Apr 09 15:19:10 <jacekowski> and it fails every 2nd day
Apr 09 15:19:17 <jacekowski> and there is downtime
Apr 09 15:19:31 <jacekowski> i would prefer to have no support and rock solid product
Apr 09 15:19:47 <crashanddie> jacekowski: it's just not possible at some point
Apr 09 15:19:59 <ptl_demands_PR12> nidO: of course not. the tablet concept has been around for quite some time. The iPad is a marketing play, tho. It seems new stuff for non-tech-savvy people and even for some tech-savvy people.
Apr 09 15:20:11 <gouverneur> there is already an iPad revenge from a german company which is even better on hardware and cheaper
Apr 09 15:20:25 <nidO> well, Archos have had two tablets available for months
Apr 09 15:20:31 <nidO> both of them are better than ipads, imo
Apr 09 15:20:37 <ptl_demands_PR12> nidO: it's the "magic" of Apple. They get geeky stuff, strip them clean then sell as something entirely new
Apr 09 15:20:39 <gouverneur> you see
Apr 09 15:21:03 <gouverneur> gtg
Apr 09 15:21:05 <gouverneur> byebye
Apr 09 15:21:18 <ptl_demands_PR12> and then they convince some developers with promises of getting rich fast with trivial applications
Apr 09 15:21:37 <ptl_demands_PR12> well, to be frank, they convince MANY developers.
Apr 09 15:22:12 <pupnik> how a kickbutt 10hour tablet with bluetooth keyboard support
Apr 09 15:22:14 <ptl_demands_PR12> Archos doesn't do that.
Apr 09 15:22:26 <pupnik> like 770
Apr 09 15:29:26 <jacekowski> ptl_demands_PR12: hp slate
Apr 09 15:29:55 <ptl_demands_PR12> jacekowski: I've read about that.
Apr 09 15:30:13 <hrw> GuySoft: which upnp server software you are using to share media with n900?
Apr 09 15:30:16 <ptl_demands_PR12> You know, I might have some use for a tablet if there are 'good enough' apps for it. At the college.
Apr 09 15:35:41 <ech0Asus> erm, i found an ez way to SMS free :)
Apr 09 15:36:35 <hrw> ~die rygel
Apr 09 15:36:36 * infobot murders rygel, takes two shots to the head then crumples to the ground, lifeless...
Apr 09 15:37:05 * satmd repairs the bot
Apr 09 15:37:11 <ptl_demands_PR12> ech0Asus: applying to all countries?
Apr 09 15:37:25 <jacekowski> yes
Apr 09 15:37:28 <jacekowski> steal a phone
Apr 09 15:37:52 <ech0Asus> using AIM
Apr 09 15:38:16 <ptl_demands_PR12> AIM? Then it's no SMS.
Apr 09 15:38:21 <ech0Asus> u have to add the entry to each contact manually though, add +11231231234
Apr 09 15:38:26 <ech0Asus> u can SMS from AIM
Apr 09 15:38:29 <ech0Asus> free
Apr 09 15:38:52 <ech0Asus> instead of putting a username put the phone number with country code as shown..
Apr 09 15:39:34 <ptl_demands_PR12> lemme try it.
Apr 09 15:39:57 <ech0Asus> works with any aim client
Apr 09 15:40:23 <nidO> are there even people in the world that still actually pay for sms's anyway?
Apr 09 15:40:41 <crashanddie> ech0Asus: I doubt that works for every country
Apr 09 15:40:43 <crashanddie> nidO: loads
Apr 09 15:40:56 <crashanddie> nidO: I pay $.2 per text
Apr 09 15:41:08 <ech0Asus> i'm not sure which countries have limitations but it works here for me
Apr 09 15:41:27 <ech0Asus> u just have to try for ur area
Apr 09 15:41:28 <ptl_demands_PR12> (12:41:22) Unable to send message: Desconectado (Cannot send SMS to this country)
Apr 09 15:41:51 <jacekowski> home time
Apr 09 15:41:55 <ptl_demands_PR12> tell me your number so I can send SMS to you
Apr 09 15:42:36 <Zahra> does anybody know how can I get backup from my whole maemo on N900?
Apr 09 15:42:37 <crashanddie> ech0Asus: "here" is highly specific, how about you share your country of residence?
Apr 09 15:43:05 <ech0Asus> +12812031708
Apr 09 15:43:15 <ech0Asus> i'm in Houston, TX, USA.
Apr 09 15:44:29 <crashanddie> So, as I said before, probably only works in the US
Apr 09 15:45:56 <ech0Asus> Keyser Soze
Apr 09 15:46:17 <ptl_demands_PR12> it worked :D
Apr 09 15:46:23 <ptl_demands_PR12> and the reply got here too
Apr 09 15:46:45 <crashanddie> ptl_demands_PR12: want to try me?
Apr 09 15:46:51 <crashanddie> ptl_demands_PR12: I don't have aim
Apr 09 15:46:57 <ptl_demands_PR12> crashanddie: sure, what's the number?
Apr 09 15:47:00 <crashanddie> hang on
Apr 09 15:47:03 <crashanddie> I don't know it
Apr 09 15:47:36 <mikki-kun> crashanddie: you mean, only with an IP from the US it's free or just to US cells it's free?
Apr 09 15:47:57 <crashanddie> mikki-kun: dunno
Apr 09 15:48:06 <ptl_demands_PR12> just to US (and Canada, it seems) cellphones
Apr 09 15:48:12 <mikki-kun> hmpf...
Apr 09 15:48:39 <mikki-kun> would have been way nicer to have worldwide free sms ^^
Apr 09 15:49:55 <ech0Asus> meh it's from AIM lol
Apr 09 15:50:07 <ech0Asus> wonder what yahoo's restrictions are
Apr 09 15:50:11 <ech0Asus> i believe it can SMS
Apr 09 15:50:33 * MohammadAG needs skype file sending support
Apr 09 15:50:49 <ech0Asus> can u sms from skype with the n900?
Apr 09 15:51:01 <ech0Asus> i know you'd have to pay but does it work?
Apr 09 15:51:17 <MohammadAG> can't find that option anywhere
Apr 09 15:51:40 <brik> doesn't look like it
Apr 09 15:52:04 <ech0Asus> cause i have skype but i haven't bought the stuff to sms anyone, dont want to if the n900 doesn't support it as thats only thing i use skype on..
Apr 09 15:52:29 <crashanddie> you can place calls
Apr 09 15:52:33 <ech0Asus> yeah
Apr 09 15:52:37 <crashanddie> but no sms
Apr 09 15:52:38 <ech0Asus> that works good
Apr 09 15:52:41 <ech0Asus> ah k
Apr 09 15:52:51 <crashanddie> oh well, actually you might
Apr 09 15:52:52 <ech0Asus> so i wont buy that glad i didn't buy it yet lol
Apr 09 15:52:55 * ptl_demands_PR12 needs SMS file sending support... you know, UUDECODE or MIMENCODE then SMS it, lol
Apr 09 15:53:05 <ptl_demands_PR12> s/UUDECODE/UUENCODE/
Apr 09 15:53:12 <crashanddie> ech0Asus: I only checked with the very first software revision
Apr 09 15:53:35 <ptl_demands_PR12> let's send a blueray movie file through SMS, uuencoded.
Apr 09 15:54:08 <ech0Asus> why not just send the hex dictionary while ur at it lol
Apr 09 15:54:19 <crashanddie> ech0Asus: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41672
Apr 09 15:54:34 <ech0Asus> readin link
Apr 09 15:55:02 <gouverneur> re
Apr 09 15:55:15 <gouverneur> an SMS CLI would be so useful...
Apr 09 15:55:27 <crashanddie> why?
Apr 09 15:55:29 <gouverneur> s/an/any/
Apr 09 15:55:30 <ech0Asus> webtexter huh
Apr 09 15:55:30 <infobot> gouverneur meant: any SMS CLI would be so useful...
Apr 09 15:55:57 <crashanddie> ech0Asus: nha, he's just confirming what I said: sms through skype is not supported
Apr 09 15:56:05 <ech0Asus> ah ok
Apr 09 15:56:20 <crashanddie> ech0Asus: though, I might try it anyway in the next few days
Apr 09 15:56:22 * MohammadAG wonders how to remove a screen protector
Apr 09 15:56:38 <crashanddie> ech0Asus: just add a skype contact but phone number instead of username
Apr 09 15:56:41 <gouverneur> MohammadAG: with knife?
Apr 09 15:56:58 <MohammadAG> gouverneur, WHAT
Apr 09 15:57:03 <gouverneur> ;)
Apr 09 15:57:07 <MohammadAG> :P
Apr 09 15:57:30 <gouverneur> touchscreen is 54eur so I dont care!
Apr 09 15:57:38 <MohammadAG> i do
Apr 09 15:57:45 <MohammadAG> cause I don't have a cc
Apr 09 15:57:49 <MohammadAG> well, a real one
Apr 09 15:57:57 <gouverneur> my 3y old has not a single scratch...
Apr 09 15:57:59 <MohammadAG> still can't own one legally
Apr 09 15:58:19 <ech0Asus> if i add a skype contact with a phone number it calls there phone line doesn't sms?
Apr 09 15:58:19 <gouverneur> wdym
Apr 09 15:59:12 <crashanddie> ech0Asus: I don't know
Apr 09 15:59:31 <crashanddie> ech0Asus: you would have to select "Skype IM"
Apr 09 15:59:51 <crashanddie> ech0Asus: there is no "Skype SMS" option
Apr 09 15:59:56 <ech0Asus> hrm
Apr 09 16:07:24 <mikki-kun> btw, which browser would you recommend i should use for the n900?
Apr 09 16:07:39 <mikki-kun> i heard now there is chromium, the standart and fennec
Apr 09 16:08:01 <crashanddie> mikki-kun: just go for standard
Apr 09 16:08:12 <crashanddie> mikki-kun: if you don't hear people telling you to change, don't
Apr 09 16:08:33 <mikki-kun> well, as the question didn't came up i asked ;)
Apr 09 16:08:34 <MohammadAG> wow, the screen quality is crisp!
Apr 09 16:08:48 <MohammadAG> i put a screen protector on it since I got it
Apr 09 16:08:55 <MohammadAG> it's soo much better without it
Apr 09 16:09:05 <ech0Asus> anyone have a google voice account i want an invite :(
Apr 09 16:10:29 <mikki-kun> MohammadAG: i've been using my n900 without any protector since january 10th
Apr 09 16:10:41 <mikki-kun> and just one viewable small scratch
Apr 09 16:10:43 <SpeedEvil_> I see no difference with protection
Apr 09 16:11:02 <mikki-kun> it's not the best, but still pretty tough
Apr 09 16:11:03 <ptl_demands_PR12> MohammadAG: my screen quality is the same with my protector, but I bought a somewhat expensive one from PDAir.com, screen clear or something like that, it was US$ 12,00
Apr 09 16:11:14 <SpeedEvil_> I have _destroyed_ two screen protectors.
Apr 09 16:11:39 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: see? that's why I keep it like gouverneur :-)
Apr 09 16:11:48 <ptl_demands_PR12> MohammadAG: and I am already thinking about buying another one 'just in case', because it's a very high-quality protector indeed
Apr 09 16:11:52 <SpeedEvil_> seccateurs in pocket with n900 + bending up. and down a lot
Apr 09 16:12:18 <SpeedEvil_> I got 10 cheap protectors from ebay for 3 £
Apr 09 16:12:23 <SpeedEvil_> work for me.
Apr 09 16:12:54 <MohammadAG> ptl_demands_PR12, got another one so I peeled of the scratched one to replace it
Apr 09 16:13:28 <MohammadAG> ptl_demands_PR12, bought mine for 13 shipped
Apr 09 16:13:39 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, without a protector? kind of insane lol
Apr 09 16:13:41 <V13> is there a reason why packages are did not get imported the last 45 minutes ? (There were two timeslots based)
Apr 09 16:14:05 <V13> based==passed
Apr 09 16:15:09 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: seems I'm a sort of an insane person. I'm just about to buy a new N900, but alas there aren't any here in my town. Have to wait until Tuesday :-S
Apr 09 16:15:34 <MohammadAG> another one?
Apr 09 16:15:49 <MohammadAG> what happened to the current one?
Apr 09 16:16:03 <DocScrutinizer> :-S (sshhhh)
Apr 09 16:16:09 <ptl_demands_PR12> maybe he's trying to make a cluster out of it
Apr 09 16:17:23 * lcuk curses @ noobmonk3y_ 
Apr 09 16:21:25 <PBeck> hi
Apr 09 16:21:45 <DocScrutinizer> PBeck: Hi :-)
Apr 09 16:21:55 <PBeck> hey DocScrutinizer
Apr 09 16:22:54 <V13> something is wrong with the builder...
Apr 09 16:23:24 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, hey do you have a TV?
Apr 09 16:23:40 <DocScrutinizer> yep, why?
Apr 09 16:25:37 <ShadowJK> Well you were saying you'd want to see sysfs nodes before starting mails about bq*, and I was guessing you didn't have ssh setup on it, tvout is next best thing then? :-)
Apr 09 16:26:18 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: If you think of AV-connector - this one showing blue /white-blue vertical bars, 2s each, cycling
Apr 09 16:26:30 <ShadowJK> ah :/
Apr 09 16:26:49 <DocScrutinizer> that's what's driving me nuts
Apr 09 16:27:18 <SpeedEvil_> sounds like a test pattern mode almost
Apr 09 16:27:25 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Apr 09 16:29:54 * DocScrutinizer is wondering if mainboard might be able to detect main-FPC break so communication to 'upper half' has errors. Then entering some test-mode
Apr 09 16:30:19 <DocScrutinizer> nothing faintly similar mentioned in L3/4
Apr 09 16:32:00 <DocScrutinizer> I mean, aiui AV and LCD are even separate framebuffers
Apr 09 16:32:41 <lcuk> yes
Apr 09 16:32:49 <lcuk> can run one app on video out
Apr 09 16:32:52 <lcuk> and another on lcd
Apr 09 16:32:56 <andrewfblack> jacekowski: is that your port of Chromium that is on Engadget?
Apr 09 16:33:22 <DocScrutinizer> yep. And also no common / shared hw components except SoC itself
Apr 09 16:34:16 <DocScrutinizer> so if LCD is black, and AV is blue/striped switching... what could that mean
Apr 09 16:35:01 <lcuk> you are watching the bill with screensaver on?
Apr 09 16:35:56 <DocScrutinizer> the bill? (me suspects pun he's missing)
Apr 09 16:36:13 <lcuk> yes uk police thing.  dont worry
Apr 09 16:36:18 <lcuk> is that all that happens from bootup?
Apr 09 16:36:31 <lcuk> cos the device state gives no clues
Apr 09 16:36:38 <DocScrutinizer> nope, everything else as normal as could be
Apr 09 16:36:50 <lcuk> until?
Apr 09 16:37:19 <DocScrutinizer> until indicator LED pulses my custom idle pattern
Apr 09 16:37:39 <DocScrutinizer> and ts accepts clicks
Apr 09 16:38:22 <DocScrutinizer> really everything works (except enterin PIN ;-P )
Apr 09 16:38:55 <DocScrutinizer> and screen black, and AV blue
Apr 09 16:38:59 <MohammadAG> god damn ripp off
Apr 09 16:39:05 <MohammadAG> it doesn't stick
Apr 09 16:43:52 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, so your device is happy for first 5 mins or so until screen locks
Apr 09 16:43:58 <ech0Asus> lol can't make a phone call or send a txt message but my 3g still works fine...
Apr 09 16:44:10 <ech0Asus> didn't pay the bill for tmo
Apr 09 16:44:37 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: I'd say I can even unlock screen - alas it doesn't help as screen is black :-P
Apr 09 16:44:42 <ech0Asus> wonder how long it will stay connected on this sim card
Apr 09 16:44:55 <ech0Asus> will use it as long as it lasts lol
Apr 09 16:45:08 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, strange
Apr 09 16:45:14 <lcuk> have youreflashed yet to see
Apr 09 16:46:08 <DocScrutinizer> nah, hard to reflash with black screen, well a little hard at least. And I wouldn't expect everything works just screen firmware borked or sth
Apr 09 16:46:49 <lcuk> you reflash from desktop side :p
Apr 09 16:47:26 * MohammadAG wonders if fiasco-flasher would flash the nolo
Apr 09 16:47:31 <DocScrutinizer> hmm yes
Apr 09 16:48:33 <DocScrutinizer> I think I'll finally put up with it and try to use device over ssh. maybe dmesg is more informative than I dare to hope
Apr 09 16:49:12 <DocScrutinizer> so that's another reason why I haven't considered reflashing yet
Apr 09 16:58:47 * DocScrutinizer bbl after fan replacement
Apr 09 17:03:53 <X1938> does sygic only support these pak map files ?
Apr 09 17:04:11 * RST38h cackles approvingly after finding the 1st episode of DrWho 3010
Apr 09 17:04:11 <X1938> no possible way to get osm or garmin maps working with sygic?
Apr 09 17:04:15 <RST38h> 2010
Apr 09 17:04:29 <X1938> or perhaps coverting those maps to get them to work with sygic ?
Apr 09 17:07:30 * V13 demands a working package builder
Apr 09 17:17:39 <PBeck> works minigpsd for anybody?
Apr 09 17:18:07 <PBeck> when i try tangogps to start with minigpsd - the apps founds the gpsd but not get a fix
Apr 09 17:18:11 <PBeck> or any location information
Apr 09 17:28:21 * noobmonk3y_ is meh
Apr 09 17:30:10 <lcuk> noobmonk3y_, im glad you are staying out of the twitter comments
Apr 09 17:30:16 <frals> :D
Apr 09 17:30:22 <noobmonk3y_> twitter comments?
Apr 09 17:30:31 * noobmonk3y_ has to read twitter to keep up with comments
Apr 09 17:30:52 <frals> its "confirm lcuk is insane" hour on twitter atm
Apr 09 17:31:02 * toggles_w confirms
Apr 09 17:31:04 <noobmonk3y_> lol
Apr 09 17:31:45 <lcuk> im not on twitter
Apr 09 17:31:49 <lcuk> im gonna delete @lcuk
Apr 09 17:32:57 <lcuk> frals didnt jaffa use abook for hermes?
Apr 09 17:33:02 <lcuk> from python
Apr 09 17:33:26 <frals> yeah im using the same approach now
Apr 09 17:33:29 <frals> but its megaslow
Apr 09 17:33:35 <lcuk> which bit
Apr 09 17:33:53 <frals> i need to get the whole abook to a python dict to search for a number
Apr 09 17:34:07 <frals> as the search function is missing from the evolution bindings
Apr 09 17:34:08 <lcuk> and you call me insane?
Apr 09 17:34:13 <frals> :D
Apr 09 17:34:32 <lcuk> there could potentially be 1000s
Apr 09 17:34:36 <frals> yes
Apr 09 17:34:40 <frals> hence why its super slow :D
Apr 09 17:34:41 <Shapeshifter> lcuk: btw I still can't install liqbase-playground. I got this error ever since I tried it the first time months ago; It depends on libliqbase1 (>=0.3.57) but these are missing.
Apr 09 17:34:41 * noobmonk3y_ tweeted for the first time in a while
Apr 09 17:34:55 <lcuk> barisione, python bindings for abook, are there any reasonable ones floating around
Apr 09 17:35:05 <SpeedEvil_> does anyone recall if the FM radio can output to phones without goimg throught thr cpu/pulseaudio?
Apr 09 17:35:08 <lcuk> :( Shapeshifter
Apr 09 17:35:18 <noobmonk3y_> doubt it
Apr 09 17:35:18 <barisione> lcuk: not that I know of
Apr 09 17:35:26 <lcuk> i started to optify libliqbase and it kinda turned into something else
Apr 09 17:35:41 <frals> there were for diablo or something, but they wasnt updated :<
Apr 09 17:36:05 <lcuk> i once auto generated bindings to libliqbase - can the same occur to abook? be used as a base
Apr 09 17:36:37 * lcuk has a hazy memory of ctype class in python?
Apr 09 17:36:51 <frals> there is ctypes for doing straight c-calls inline
Apr 09 17:37:11 <frals> and its fine for using the standard primitives like int/char etc
Apr 09 17:37:25 <RST38h> ehlo lcuk, frals
Apr 09 17:37:29 <frals> but i need to send gboolean types and what not as params and it got way complicated for me :(
Apr 09 17:37:33 <frals> o/ RST38h
Apr 09 17:37:42 <lcuk> what do you actually expect from the search then and whats the return
Apr 09 17:37:45 <djkrikke> Hi guys, I'm trying to find out how tunin.fm works, so I can create an application that allows maemo users to listen to their streams as well
Apr 09 17:38:00 <lcuk> and is this something you could cover by making a gtk widget - and embedding that in your code
Apr 09 17:38:07 <lizardo> frals: gboolean is just a typedef for a standard type... IIRC
Apr 09 17:38:10 <lcuk> thereby bypassing the brainfunk/slowness
Apr 09 17:38:34 <lcuk> hey RST38h
Apr 09 17:38:38 <djkrikke> Problem is, it looks like they are using an icecast server "on demand", when you open the application on the iphone and pick a channel, they start streaming it. Any ideas on how to "inspect" what web traffic is going on? I used fiddler but he doesn't mention anything about a request, only images etc
Apr 09 17:38:42 <frals> lcuk: nah, i need to do the number lookup to get a name to show so cant hide it with a gtk widget call, tried that
Apr 09 17:39:28 <lcuk> frals, its late on friday - that didnt parse - you just posted blog post - indicate on screenies
Apr 09 17:39:32 <frals> lizardo: yeah, its a typedef for a regular int iirc, but i was seg faulting when i sent an int - most likely to me not knowing enough about ctypes to do it properly either way
Apr 09 17:40:47 <frals> lcuk: what i need is this function pretty much http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libosso-abook/libosso-abook-osso-abook-util.html#osso-abook-query-phone-number
Apr 09 17:42:19 <lcuk> yes frals, but which bit of the ui are you putting the answer on
Apr 09 17:42:28 * noobmonk3y_ hmmmmmmm's start some coding or not.......
Apr 09 17:42:35 <frals> the main view where it lists all the messages and who its from
Apr 09 17:42:44 <lcuk> can you make a composite widget that does that bit too along with the search
Apr 09 17:42:54 <lcuk> ahh its per message
Apr 09 17:43:01 <lcuk> right uderstood
Apr 09 17:43:04 <lcuk> understood
Apr 09 17:43:05 <frals> ya
Apr 09 17:43:11 <noobmonk3y_> lcuk, whats the chance of me being able to visualise microhophone input on the n900? :D (Equaliser i spose?)
Apr 09 17:43:33 <frals> im thinking about working around it by doing the lookup as soon as the message arrives and then just save the contact id in the database of messages
Apr 09 17:43:36 <noobmonk3y_> no entirely sure how just to open a feed though
Apr 09 17:43:57 <frals> and have my daemon load the damn list on start, which would hide how slow it is from the ui
Apr 09 17:44:02 <lizardo> frals: hey I believe I played with this function some time ago... I wasn't able to make it work even on C :(
Apr 09 17:44:13 <frals> lizardo: doh :(
Apr 09 17:44:13 <lcuk> noobmonk3y_, i have liqmic :$
Apr 09 17:44:16 <lizardo> frals: do have any *working* C example code using it ?
Apr 09 17:44:17 <lcuk> its quite easy in c
Apr 09 17:44:20 <noobmonk3y_> ooooo damn c
Apr 09 17:44:24 <lcuk> but it needs silly speed processing
Apr 09 17:44:25 <noobmonk3y_> hmmmmmmm
Apr 09 17:44:39 <noobmonk3y_> first ... need to figure out how to bring in mic onformation
Apr 09 17:44:40 <frals> lizardo: dont think so im afraid
Apr 09 17:44:44 <noobmonk3y_> info*
Apr 09 17:44:49 <lcuk> noobmonk3y_, python would choke!
Apr 09 17:44:56 * noobmonk3y_ wants to choke python :D
Apr 09 17:45:00 <lizardo> frals: the only way I could make a query on phone number was using the lowlevel libebook plus some sort of VCAL query string
Apr 09 17:45:14 <lcuk> lizardo, from python?
Apr 09 17:45:22 <frals> lizardo: right, cheers
Apr 09 17:45:23 <lizardo> lcuk: on C
Apr 09 17:45:26 <shvedsky> noobmonk3y_: usually the python chokes YOU!!
Apr 09 17:45:42 <lizardo> lcuk: but on python would work too... but is not nice to use libebook directly IIRC
Apr 09 17:45:49 * noobmonk3y_ will beat python to the ground and then whack the python around it's head with Frals until it submits......
Apr 09 17:45:53 <lizardo> because you lack some interesting metadata
Apr 09 17:45:53 <frals> i was trying something similiar with python-evolution, but the bindings in -devel is missing the search functions
Apr 09 17:46:03 <lcuk> frals i bet that osso_abook_query_phone_number function could work
Apr 09 17:46:27 <frals> or well, it only contains one search with is search by contact name :<
Apr 09 17:46:38 <lizardo> frals: the deal is : bring me some working C code using that function and I promise to bring you functional ctypes code :D
Apr 09 17:47:00 <frals> lizardo: deal! :)
Apr 09 17:47:01 <lizardo> lcuk: do you have sample code for it ?
Apr 09 17:47:13 <lizardo> any *C* code at all? :)
Apr 09 17:47:16 <frals> lcuk: mind bringing me some c code for that...? ;)
Apr 09 17:47:19 <lcuk> no lizardo im n00b on python
Apr 09 17:47:37 <lcuk> its something we need to look at tho
Apr 09 17:47:41 <lcuk> for fmms benefit!
Apr 09 17:47:42 <lizardo> lcuk: and C ?
Apr 09 17:47:46 <noobmonk3y_> lol!
Apr 09 17:48:10 * noobmonk3y_ sent an mms today :D yay
Apr 09 17:48:31 <frals> noobmonk3y_: :D
Apr 09 17:48:39 <lcuk> i can write c with hands tied behind back, but im dont know specifics of the api needs looking at tho
Apr 09 17:49:18 <noobmonk3y_> i find it hard to type with no hands :(
Apr 09 17:49:45 <frals> noobmonk3y_: i have the same problem, but you know lcuk is some kind of demi-computer
Apr 09 17:49:56 <lcuk> nokia touchscreen devices work with more than just your fingers
Apr 09 17:50:06 <lcuk> if you have a long
Apr 09 17:50:13 <lcuk> nose - you can easily use the osk
Apr 09 17:50:15 <noobmonk3y_> i think he is a re-incarnation of deep-blue, and would hate to have to play him at chess
Apr 09 17:50:44 <noobmonk3y_> Or whatever that ibm computer was actually called, something blue?!
Apr 09 17:50:53 <DocScrutinizer> eyetracker, if only the aux cam wasn't such an utter crap ;-P
Apr 09 17:51:37 <RST38h> lcuk: Will sausage do?
Apr 09 17:51:40 <noobmonk3y_> hmmmmmm i really really really really really really really really really really  want a decent pyqt gui ide thingy
Apr 09 17:51:52 <RST38h> write one
Apr 09 17:52:04 * noobmonk3y_ gets his pen n paper........... this may not work........
Apr 09 17:53:57 <lcuk> RST38h, frozen?
Apr 09 17:54:13 <noobmonk3y_> hmmmmmmmm
Apr 09 17:54:21 <lcuk> noobmonk3y_, did you know, pyqt code looks shockingly similar to my liq* stuff
Apr 09 17:54:37 <noobmonk3y_> ?
Apr 09 17:54:44 <noobmonk3y_> messy? lol
Apr 09 17:56:06 <lcuk> :D
Apr 09 17:56:46 * MohammadAG_ is back after a ****y round of CoD
Apr 09 17:56:56 <MohammadAG_> noobmonk3y_, \o
Apr 09 17:57:00 * noobmonk3y_ farts
Apr 09 17:57:17 <MohammadAG_> I'm not sure what to say really
Apr 09 17:57:34 <lcuk> its best you dont speak
Apr 09 17:57:34 <lcuk> or breath
Apr 09 17:58:36 * noobmonk3y_ blinks
Apr 09 17:59:12 <RST38h> lcuk: heated!
Apr 09 17:59:23 <mrweasel> hi! I'm currently running mer on my n900. Is there any way to access the maemo rootfs from mer?
Apr 09 18:00:09 <noobmonk3y_> ooooo mer on the n900 :D
Apr 09 18:00:15 * MohammadAG_ holds breath
Apr 09 18:00:22 * noobmonk3y_ prods  MohammadAG 
Apr 09 18:00:32 <noobmonk3y_> lol MohammadAG is the ghost of MohammadAG_ ?
Apr 09 18:01:04 <MohammadAG_> noobmonk3y_, nah, I'm on my PC
Apr 09 18:01:19 <MohammadAG> and i'm on the N900
Apr 09 18:01:27 <noobmonk3y_> Which one is your n900?
Apr 09 18:01:28 <noobmonk3y_> :D
Apr 09 18:01:35 <noobmonk3y_> ~ping MohammadAG
Apr 09 18:01:36 <infobot> pong MohammadAG
Apr 09 18:01:49 <noobmonk3y_> does your device still die whilst being pinged? ;)
Apr 09 18:03:11 <MohammadAG_> err what? lol
Apr 09 18:03:19 * noobmonk3y_ grins
Apr 09 18:05:13 <noobmonk3y_> odd question, but opengl works on the n900 in some way?
Apr 09 18:05:32 <noobmonk3y_> so there should somewhere be an opengl sort of library? - or am i on the wrong tracks?
Apr 09 18:06:23 <lcuk> opengles
Apr 09 18:06:40 <lcuk> qt has qt functionality too
Apr 09 18:06:44 <GuySoft> hrw|gone, you pinged me by mistake?
Apr 09 18:06:48 <lcuk> not sure how it comes into your py stuff tho
Apr 09 18:07:06 <noobmonk3y_> hmmmmmm
Apr 09 18:07:17 <noobmonk3y_> lack of documentation is fun for 10 minutes.......
Apr 09 18:07:35 <MohammadAG_> noobmonk3y_, what do you need that for?
Apr 09 18:08:02 <noobmonk3y_> MohammadAG, to fill healcheck requests..... hard to learn new things without seeing documentation, preferably in english
Apr 09 18:08:38 <frals> noobmonk3y_: documentation is overrated, reverse engineering is where the fun is at ;)
Apr 09 18:08:47 <noobmonk3y_> i also want to do pull my finger - in style ;)
Apr 09 18:08:50 <MohammadAG_> oh, thought you wanted to stress test the N900
Apr 09 18:09:11 <noobmonk3y_> frals, that is good enough as documentation for me in most cases... but i dont even know where to start in open gl :P
Apr 09 18:09:28 <frals> :D
Apr 09 18:09:44 <noobmonk3y_> ahaaaaaaaaaa
Apr 09 18:09:50 <noobmonk3y_> not supported in pyqt until 4.7
Apr 09 18:09:54 <noobmonk3y_> that makes more sense
Apr 09 18:11:13 <lcuk> glad something does
Apr 09 18:11:32 * lcuk has been pondering something all afternoon and i think i have it
Apr 09 18:11:35 * MohammadAG_ wonders what lcuk is happy about :P
Apr 09 18:12:13 * MohammadAG_ just checked his twitter
Apr 09 18:13:10 <lcuk> MohammadAG_, @frals @texrat @anidel @h0pbeat  are required for context
Apr 09 18:13:20 <lcuk> tho they should all be blocked instead
Apr 09 18:13:25 <frals> :DDD
Apr 09 18:13:41 <ech0Asus> anyone know how much longer my 3g is going to stay connected? lol can't call or send txt but can call w/ skype on 3g still.. didn't pay my tmo bill lol.
Apr 09 18:14:01 <noobmonk3y_> lol
Apr 09 18:14:14 <ech0Asus> 3g workin good
Apr 09 18:15:20 <MohammadAG_> lol @ lcuk
Apr 09 18:15:49 * lcuk cannot remember if hes following MohammadAG_ 
Apr 09 18:15:57 <dmj726_n9001> my pidgin window is fullscreen...is there a shortcut to toggle that?
Apr 09 18:15:58 <lirakis> i downloaded the NYC subway map pdf to my n900, but the n900 says it is encrypted and needs a password... which is not ture
Apr 09 18:16:02 <lirakis> *true
Apr 09 18:16:07 <lcuk> tho if he joins in calling my coding insane it wont be for long
Apr 09 18:16:09 <lirakis> i can view the pdf fine on my computer
Apr 09 18:16:10 * MohammadAG_ thinks so...
Apr 09 18:16:17 <ech0Asus> wonder if they capped the speed on it some
Apr 09 18:17:07 <MohammadAG_> yep you're following me lcuk :D
Apr 09 18:17:10 <dmj726_n9001> or if it is a strange bug
Apr 09 18:17:35 * lcuk follows lots of rando mpeople
Apr 09 18:17:39 <lcuk> random people
Apr 09 18:17:46 <MohammadAG_> <lirakis> i downloaded the NYC subway map pdf to my n900, but the n900 says it is encrypted and needs a password... which is not ture
Apr 09 18:17:54 <MohammadAG_> it happens with the service manuals too
Apr 09 18:18:06 <lirakis> MohammadAG,  is there a fix for this????
Apr 09 18:18:18 <MohammadAG_> http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/webos-port-of-xorg-in-the-works-openoffice-support-the-inevitab/
Apr 09 18:18:25 <MohammadAG_> lirakis, not that I know of
Apr 09 18:18:33 <lirakis> seriously?!!
Apr 09 18:18:35 <lirakis> thats insane
Apr 09 18:18:56 <Zahra> does anybody know how can I get backup from my whole maemo OS on N900?
Apr 09 18:19:54 <MohammadAG_> Zahra, your whole OS?
Apr 09 18:19:58 <MohammadAG_> as in all of /?
Apr 09 18:20:17 <Nils^> hi. i realized the terminal sends a wrong return code. but there is already a patch in the tracker. any known workaround?
Apr 09 18:20:19 <nidO> cp -R /* /remotedrivesomewhere
Apr 09 18:20:22 <nidO> would probably do it
Apr 09 18:20:23 * lirakis is trying evince
Apr 09 18:20:33 <nidO> you arent expecting it to work after doing so though, right?
Apr 09 18:20:40 <lirakis> .. totally weak that the pdf viewer is broken
Apr 09 18:21:47 <Zahra> MohammadAG_: yes, but I mean to restore it when my OS removed
Apr 09 18:22:01 <nidO> then no. why would you want to?
Apr 09 18:24:41 <Zahra> I want to test it with some thing & I guess It may removes my maemo
Apr 09 18:25:00 <Zahra> I really want to get & image from it & recover with that image
Apr 09 18:25:18 <nidO> why not just take a normal backup, then reflash and restore the backup like everyone else?
Apr 09 18:26:36 <Zahra> nidO: hmm! I didn't find any image to flash!
Apr 09 18:29:32 <TomaszD> well god damn... http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-PL-daily-20091220-20100303
Apr 09 18:30:05 <MohammadAG_> Zahra, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php
Apr 09 18:30:12 <MohammadAG_> the IRC isn't a manual/wiki
Apr 09 18:30:21 <Stskeeps> TomaszD: poland's a funny country when it comes to open source
Apr 09 18:30:31 <TomaszD> Stskeeps, why do you think so?
Apr 09 18:30:48 <Stskeeps> TomaszD: well, for starters, we don't have magazines with ubuntu cds in front in .dk
Apr 09 18:30:51 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 09 18:31:22 <TomaszD> Stskeeps, heh, actually, I was an editor for one of those magazines
Apr 09 18:31:25 <keesj> can i unmute my device from the command line?
Apr 09 18:31:42 <keesj> I Have lost my n900 but still can ssh to it
Apr 09 18:31:46 <Stskeeps> TomaszD: it's all your fault obviously
Apr 09 18:31:46 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 09 18:31:54 <Zahra> MohammadAG_: I didn't see that, btw getting a link dosn't mean irc is a manual!
Apr 09 18:32:17 <TomaszD> Stskeeps, yeah ;) Prepared a whole issue with about Ubuntu 7.10, remastered the CDs...
Apr 09 18:32:17 <frosty`> keesj: alsamixer maybe?
Apr 09 18:32:24 <TomaszD> *-with
Apr 09 18:32:25 <MohammadAG_> well at least say thanks instead of arguing...
Apr 09 18:32:44 <Vanadis> hai thar
Apr 09 18:32:46 <keesj> frosty`: no that is on 100% and I am trying to play using mplayer -ao pluse
Apr 09 18:32:59 <Stskeeps> TomaszD: what year?
Apr 09 18:33:06 <Stskeeps> TomaszD: just wondering if that was what i saw :P
Apr 09 18:33:22 <TomaszD> Stskeeps, Ubuntu 7.10 man, not that hard to figure out, it was new back then :P
Apr 09 18:33:41 <TomaszD> late 2007
Apr 09 18:33:48 * Stskeeps ponders
Apr 09 18:33:58 <Stskeeps> i guess i did go to poland for the first time there
Apr 09 18:34:08 <Stskeeps> in december there
Apr 09 18:34:21 <TomaszD> that would be an awesome coincidence
Apr 09 18:34:31 <TomaszD> I don't think I have a copy around anymore
Apr 09 18:34:38 <TomaszD> maybe at my parent's home
Apr 09 18:34:51 <Stskeeps> i guess i saw it in empik or something there :P
Apr 09 18:35:04 <TomaszD> yeah, they did sell there too
Apr 09 18:35:45 <Stskeeps> well then it must have been that :P
Apr 09 18:36:10 <TomaszD> I pretty much stopped blogging so they don't offer me anymore of these jobs
Apr 09 18:36:22 <TomaszD> pay was awful, so I don't regret it
Apr 09 18:37:42 <TomaszD> so yeah, anyone wants some articles written about Linux in general, English, Polish, contact me
Apr 09 18:37:48 <TomaszD> :)
Apr 09 19:02:06 <Jaffa> lcuk: Yeah, I was going to say - frals: I use ctype to access libosso-abook from Python
Apr 09 19:04:12 <konttori> anybody know if there is a way to make hildon.GtkHScale() to be less high? (it's showing the progress time indicator on top of the slider, which makes widget really high)
Apr 09 19:07:16 <MohammadAG_> WTF http://theunlockr.com/2010/04/09/nokia-n900-processor-getting-pushed-further-1-7ghz-reached-yes-you-did-read-that-right/
Apr 09 19:08:36 * SpeedEvil rofls.
Apr 09 19:09:43 <lizardo> Jaffa: heve you tried using http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libosso-abook/libosso-abook-osso-abook-util.html#osso-abook-query-phone-number using ctypes ?
Apr 09 19:09:54 <lizardo> Jaffa: I could make it work even on pure C...
Apr 09 19:13:27 <ShadowJK> Awesome, Nokia's brewery has started making a hefe weissbier
Apr 09 19:13:37 <ShadowJK> if this is a tenth as good as the real thing I'll be happy
Apr 09 19:13:55 <panaggio> I've sent my project to GSoC, and a friend asked me to put it on the Wiki
Apr 09 19:14:05 <shvedsky> GSoC deadline went unnoticed here :-)
Apr 09 19:14:16 <panaggio> but I don't know where to put it
Apr 09 19:14:24 <panaggio> http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2010/Project_ideas
Apr 09 19:15:09 <panaggio> there are easy, medium and hard
Apr 09 19:15:23 <panaggio> but I don't know where my project belongs
Apr 09 19:15:29 <panaggio> it's here: http://migre.me/va6p
Apr 09 19:16:47 <frals> konttori: you could try a size_request() since it inherits from gtk.Widget I guess - but thats not guaranteed to work
Apr 09 19:16:48 <SpeedEvil> I'd guess at medium.
Apr 09 19:16:56 <SpeedEvil> I don't know the criterion though.
Apr 09 19:17:04 <konttori> frals: ok, I'll try
Apr 09 19:18:11 <frals> konttori: nvm, i mixed it up with something else
Apr 09 19:18:49 <frals> konttori: set_size_request(width, height) was what i meant
Apr 09 19:19:08 <konttori> yeah, but probably would not work at all (or make the gfx ugly)
Apr 09 19:19:21 <frals> most likely yeah
Apr 09 19:23:47 <shvedsky> panaggio: gsoc doesn't have much traction in this channel, actually
Apr 09 19:25:26 <panaggio> shvedsky: is there any other channel where I can search for help on maemo-related gsoc projects?
Apr 09 19:28:36 <shvedsky> panaggio: if there is, I'm not aware of it (and I wrote an application!)..
Apr 09 19:29:49 <panaggio> shvedsky: ok. thanks anyway =) a friend told me vdvsx could help with this
Apr 09 19:34:04 <shvedsky> panaggio: I wish I had such friends! :-)
Apr 09 19:34:30 <nidO> just ask what you need here
Apr 09 19:35:39 <shvedsky> ...and get no aswer
Apr 09 19:37:44 <MohammadAG_> ~ping
Apr 09 19:37:45 <infobot> ~pong
Apr 09 19:41:36 <konttori> frals: hscale.set_draw_value(False) did the trick. Now I just draw the value somewhere else (if I want)
Apr 09 19:44:06 <frals> konttori: :)
Apr 09 19:44:50 <trumee> anybody using sip over openvpn?
Apr 09 19:49:58 * lcuk cries
Apr 09 19:50:40 <tripzero> ?
Apr 09 19:51:11 <Tester> trumee: I think there is a trick to make it work.. the sip thing only takes one ip address (but dont ask me what the trick is)
Apr 09 19:51:20 <lcuk> tripzero, just frals etc picking on me
Apr 09 19:51:30 <tripzero> oh, heh
Apr 09 19:51:32 <tripzero> :P
Apr 09 19:51:33 <lcuk> i'd tell my mum over them and stuff, but she will just agree with em :p
Apr 09 19:51:33 * frals comforts lcuk
Apr 09 19:52:58 <panaggio> nidO: I don't know where to put my gsoc project on the wiki
Apr 09 19:57:33 <Jaffa> lizardo: No, not tried that
Apr 09 19:58:28 <lcuk> lizardo, you could or couldnt make it work?
Apr 09 19:58:30 <Myrtti> whee, I see the docs have been uploaded
Apr 09 19:58:35 <lcuk> we know its a c api
Apr 09 19:58:44 <lcuk> Myrtti, indeed
Apr 09 19:58:52 <lizardo> lcuk: I couldn't , feel free to try it... :D
Apr 09 19:59:00 <lizardo> lcuk: and send us the C code! :D
Apr 09 19:59:09 <lcuk> oooh i knew there was something, tracy got an n900 and she demanded - yes demanded - the manual for it.
Apr 09 19:59:12 <lcuk> i thought of you :)
Apr 09 19:59:23 <lcuk> right lizardo ok
Apr 09 19:59:37 <lcuk> i dont have full code, i do however know where theres an example app using the api in c
Apr 09 19:59:47 <lcuk> (not so sure of example - but working using etc)
Apr 09 19:59:51 <lcuk> in c
Apr 09 20:00:03 <lizardo> lcuk: url?
Apr 09 20:00:14 <lcuk> Myrtti, that n900 documentation comment was meant for you
Apr 09 20:00:41 <Myrtti> ♥
Apr 09 20:00:57 <lcuk> big red lights stopped me, i immediately thought of you and needed to say thanks :)
Apr 09 20:03:33 <frals> o/ RevdKathy
Apr 09 20:03:41 <RevdKathy> Hiya all
Apr 09 20:03:56 <RevdKathy> Hi frals
Apr 09 20:04:24 <RevdKathy> I walk in and they all start leaving
Apr 09 20:04:31 <Jaffa> Hi RevdKathy
Apr 09 20:04:36 <frals> hehe
Apr 09 20:04:38 <RevdKathy> Hi Jaffa. How's tricks?
Apr 09 20:05:48 <Jaffa> Busy :-/
Apr 09 20:06:00 * Jaffa thinks the next MWKN issue is looking remarkably light
Apr 09 20:06:35 <RevdKathy> Are you carrying Meego news as well, Jaffa?
Apr 09 20:06:43 <Jaffa> RevdKathy: Yup
Apr 09 20:07:30 <RevdKathy> There's a good dialogue going on what is the understanding of 'community' you could cover
Apr 09 20:08:05 * Jaffa reckons RevdKathy is perfect contributor material now ;-)
Apr 09 20:08:13 <frals> Jaffa: if you light on stuff you can mention http://blog.frals.se/2010/04/09/improvements-in-fmms-0-6-2/ ;-)
Apr 09 20:08:35 <opdf2> anone using nokia messageing on Tmobile USA?
Apr 09 20:09:03 <Jaffa> frals: Indeed :-)
Apr 09 20:09:44 <RevdKathy> The debate appears to be about what to call the forum, Jaffa, but it's atually about different people's understandings of what community actually *is*
Apr 09 20:10:20 <Jaffa> RevdKathy: Oh, you mean Texrat's "exclude the word 'work'" thread?
Apr 09 20:10:34 <RevdKathy> yep, that one Jaffa
Apr 09 20:15:33 <lcuk> lizardo, i forgot, checked with author (workmate who developers abook) and this is a public tho unadvertised usage http://git.collabora.co.uk/?p=user/bari/jid-to-email.git;a=blob;f=jid-to-email.c;h=cc461deb8fa02530c95c709cae51b2151b63a307;hb=master
Apr 09 20:15:38 <lcuk> or something like that
Apr 09 20:15:43 <lcuk> heya RevdKathy \o
Apr 09 20:15:52 <opdf2> i totally dont see Nokia Messaging under email providers...
Apr 09 20:15:59 <RevdKathy> Hi lcuk. I didnt fart yet.
Apr 09 20:16:27 <lcuk> RevdKathy, keep it that way
Apr 09 20:16:48 <RevdKathy> I will. Just came from dance class - pelvic floor in tip top shape
Apr 09 20:17:22 <nomis> grgh. Random FAT corruption. WTF?
Apr 09 20:17:56 * Myrtti got that yesterday on her ebook reader
Apr 09 20:18:00 <thresh> three letters fully explain what's going on.
Apr 09 20:18:03 <thresh> F. A. T.
Apr 09 20:18:15 <nomis> File Allocation Thrash?
Apr 09 20:19:15 <nomis>    
Apr 09 20:19:18 <SpeedEvil> Faith Atomic Chicken?
Apr 09 20:22:35 <lcuk> Farts are Toxic
Apr 09 20:25:26 <RevdKathy> Fresh Air Totally
Apr 09 20:31:35 <inz> Failing Acronyms Team
Apr 09 20:31:53 <mikki-kun> hi uhm
Apr 09 20:32:15 <mikki-kun> if i use the backup-tool and backup my communcation and calender, will my conversations be also backed up?
Apr 09 20:32:53 <MohammadAG_> yes
Apr 09 20:33:31 <pwnguin> anyone looked into the BT audio stack to see if it supports direct mp3?
Apr 09 20:33:47 <mikki-kun> MohammadAG: thanks :)
Apr 09 20:33:57 <opdf2> nm i used an AT&T sim card to "unlock" Nokia messaging. I guess Nokia messaging will not show up under Tmobile USA
Apr 09 20:34:01 <pwnguin> im looking to pick up some headphones and they claim to support SBC and MP3
Apr 09 20:34:02 <MohammadAG_> np :)
Apr 09 20:34:04 <mikki-kun> *hard resetting my n900*
Apr 09 20:34:32 <MohammadAG_> mikki-kun, flashing the rootfs should also keep the convos
Apr 09 20:34:39 <mikki-kun> convos?
Apr 09 20:34:43 <mikki-kun> ahhh
Apr 09 20:34:47 <MohammadAG_> lol
Apr 09 20:34:56 <MohammadAG_> conversations
Apr 09 20:34:57 <mikki-kun> well, i flash both, rootfs and emmc
Apr 09 20:35:01 <pwnguin> i guess it would be difficult for pulseaudio alone to handle it
Apr 09 20:35:05 <MohammadAG_> oh ok
Apr 09 20:35:12 <mikki-kun> yeah, sometimes i am a lil slow thinking ^^
Apr 09 20:35:21 <mikki-kun> but then i get it
Apr 09 20:35:29 <MohammadAG_> lol it's not a well known term anyways
Apr 09 20:36:37 <mikki-kun> still, most abbreviations (spelled correct? - suppose no ^^) should be self-explaning
Apr 09 20:36:54 <MohammadAG_> lol
Apr 09 20:37:13 <MohammadAG_> abbreviations*
Apr 09 20:37:29 <MohammadAG_> gotta love spelling corrections xD
Apr 09 20:41:07 <mikki-kun> suppose i spelled it right then :D
Apr 09 20:42:01 <MohammadAG_> lol I just wrote it again and spell checked :p
Apr 09 20:42:36 <mikki-kun> yay \o/ suppose my english isn't that bad after all then ^^
Apr 09 20:44:14 <ShadowJK> I think operators typically have exclusive rights to nokia messaging in a specific country
Apr 09 20:44:17 <ShadowJK> but i'm not sure
Apr 09 20:45:15 <MohammadAG_> yep, not sure about the N900 nm, but yes it can controlled by operators
Apr 09 20:47:22 <lizardo> lcuk: hmm, I don't see any calls to osso_abook_query_phone_number() on that URL... will look on the other C files though :)
Apr 09 20:47:26 <lizardo> tks anyway
Apr 09 20:47:52 <lizardo> lcuk: oops, only one C file :/
Apr 09 20:48:28 <lcuk> lizardo, it may not have specific call in but its got everything required to talk with api as intended, i havent looked fully myself tho yet
Apr 09 20:49:01 <lizardo> lcuk: the problem is... the examples on the Maemo 5 dev guide all work (even from python) , but that function in particular I could not get to work...
Apr 09 20:49:17 <lizardo> lcuk: I mean, basic contacts listing and access work just fine
Apr 09 20:49:35 <lizardo> lcuk: the "problem" (well at least I think)  is searches by phone number
Apr 09 20:49:38 * MohammadAG_ looks at the 1.7GHz N900 and sighs
Apr 09 20:49:43 <lcuk> ok lizardo then can you do me a favour
Apr 09 20:49:49 <mikki-kun> hm, regarding the flasher... so, my device is turned off, i charge it, till it's full, take the powercord off, hold the u button of the n900's keyboard, plug the usb in and then the flashing should start?
Apr 09 20:50:08 <lcuk> could you put a test case together of correct expected usage so we can file proper bug?
Apr 09 20:50:11 <mikki-kun> 1.7Ghz?!
Apr 09 20:50:12 <mikki-kun> ö.ö
Apr 09 20:50:22 <PhonicUK> wtf? 1.7GHz?
Apr 09 20:50:36 <MohammadAG_> http://theunlockr.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/N900-1700mhz.jpg
Apr 09 20:50:43 <PhonicUK> did someone break one open and stick some LN2 on it?
Apr 09 20:50:53 <PhonicUK> ROFL
Apr 09 20:51:32 <KMFDM> wtf how
Apr 09 20:51:38 <KMFDM> lol giant cooler
Apr 09 20:51:41 <lizardo> lcuk: sure , once I find it :) (it was a long time ago, I remembered because of frals request)
Apr 09 20:52:00 <PhonicUK> is the N900 'opened up' behind there?
Apr 09 20:52:07 <PhonicUK> or is it just on the battery cover
Apr 09 20:52:09 <nidO> probably
Apr 09 20:52:18 <lcuk> lizardo, ahh - either way, (if it works now even better) if we can get example together for frals benefit it would be superb
Apr 09 20:52:33 <Arkenoi> still no native mms support in 1.2? omfg
Apr 09 20:52:44 <lcuk> do you have 1.2?
Apr 09 20:52:47 <SpeedEvil> PhonicUK: it's a fake
Apr 09 20:52:53 <PhonicUK> ah
Apr 09 20:52:56 <MohammadAG_> Arkenklo, there isn't going to be MMS
Apr 09 20:53:04 <MohammadAG_> SpeedEvil, ?
Apr 09 20:53:19 <SpeedEvil> (09:50:36 PM) MohammadAG_: http://theunlockr.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/N900-1700mhz.jpg
Apr 09 20:53:30 <lizardo> frals: one option is to iterate over the contacts like in aggregator_ready_cb() on that lcuk link.,.. have to go now
Apr 09 20:53:51 <MohammadAG_> SpeedEvil, yes I know, how'd you know it was fake?
Apr 09 20:53:58 <MohammadAG_> (not arguing btw)
Apr 09 20:54:06 <javispedro> want to see my 3,77 Thz N900?
Apr 09 20:54:12 <SpeedEvil> the person that created it was discussing it.
Apr 09 20:54:16 <javispedro> 3,777 Thz ;)
Apr 09 20:54:35 <MohammadAG_> javispedro, sure ;)
Apr 09 20:54:49 <PhonicUK> Wanna see my N900 with an AMD Phenom quad core inside? It runs windows Vista and I added an extra TB of storage
Apr 09 20:54:52 <ShadowJK> I saw a photo where N900 was strapped to that same cooler, and it said ">9000" for CPU speed :D
Apr 09 20:55:13 <javispedro> MohammadAG: you patch conky yourself
Apr 09 20:55:18 <javispedro> :P
Apr 09 20:55:24 <MohammadAG_> LOL
Apr 09 20:55:47 <MohammadAG_> it's kind of fail...
Apr 09 20:56:10 <lcuk> i was wondering when the first liquidcooled mobile phone would emerge.
Apr 09 20:56:27 <lcuk> wonder if it would work with toilet water?
Apr 09 20:56:29 <javispedro> steve jobs will invent that
Apr 09 20:56:34 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, Q3 :p
Apr 09 20:57:01 <MohammadAG_> javispedro, it would be using apple juice then :)
Apr 09 20:57:02 <PhonicUK> javispedro, no - he'd wait till someone else did it first in a better device, then claim it was "new and innovative" in apples new device
Apr 09 20:57:13 <PhonicUK> which will cost 3x as much, have 1/2 the features, and will sell millions
Apr 09 20:57:20 <lcuk> MohammadAG_, apple juice looks like pee too
Apr 09 20:57:53 <lcuk> RevdKathy, we gots shouted at
Apr 09 20:57:58 <lcuk> it was your fault
Apr 09 20:58:09 <RevdKathy> I saw. Naturally my fault
Apr 09 20:58:15 <MohammadAG_> "Cool your iPhone 4GS by urinating" lcuk
Apr 09 20:58:23 <RevdKathy> I have broad shoulders. I can take the blame
Apr 09 20:58:25 <lcuk> infact, lets blame texrat - he aint here to protest :D
Apr 09 20:58:34 <MohammadAG_> It's gonna be magical!
Apr 09 20:58:42 <nidO> who shouted?
Apr 09 20:58:47 <RevdKathy> Nah. I'll take the blame, and log off to bd and sob myself to sleep
Apr 09 20:59:25 <lcuk> "boo hooo *PARPPPPPPPPPP* sob"
Apr 09 20:59:31 <RevdKathy> Who did the Paddington pic?
Apr 09 21:00:04 <RevdKathy> Told you, I came from dance class: pelvic floor muscles in top form. No parping here!
Apr 09 21:00:07 <lcuk> i found the pic online with a little envelope in arm - i just replaced it magically with some sticky back plastic etc
Apr 09 21:00:18 <lcuk> or if you do, its in tune
Apr 09 21:00:21 <RevdKathy> It's lovely
Apr 09 21:01:03 <RevdKathy> Belly dance tones up the parts other exercises cannot reach. ;)
Apr 09 21:02:02 <lcuk> polates (sp?) does that
Apr 09 21:02:28 <lcuk> whenever tracy used to go, its new name "pofartes" was hollered
Apr 09 21:05:51 <Gadgetoid_mbp> Belly dance? Did I join the right maemo?
Apr 09 21:07:00 <mikki-kun> yay, brandnew device \o/
Apr 09 21:07:07 <mikki-kun> well, at least in theory ^^
Apr 09 21:10:29 <MohammadAG_> w00t_, liking the app more each day
Apr 09 21:10:38 <w00t_> :)
Apr 09 21:10:38 <MohammadAG_> are the changes on Git?
Apr 09 21:11:01 <w00t_> not the latest, I'm taking a break for dinner
Apr 09 21:11:04 <w00t_> bbl
Apr 09 21:11:29 <mikki-kun> which app are you talking about?
Apr 09 21:11:44 <mtnbkr> When can I have this for my N900 ?   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3KrFV0-WFw
Apr 09 21:11:44 <MohammadAG_> mikki-kun, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=603406
Apr 09 21:12:48 <frals> hmm, anyone played with osso_abook_aggregator in the sdk?
Apr 09 21:14:15 <mikki-kun> whoah, that looks nice with the heli
Apr 09 21:14:28 <MohammadAG_> looks fake to me
Apr 09 21:15:32 * mtnbkr still wonts one ... And a light saber   lol
Apr 09 21:15:46 <mikki-kun> doesn't have to be... but it'll cost you i suppose
Apr 09 21:15:49 <mtnbkr> *wants*
Apr 09 21:17:30 <RevdKathy> G'night all
Apr 09 21:17:39 <RevdKathy> Zebedee is calling
Apr 09 21:18:17 <LinuxCode> zebedee ?
Apr 09 21:18:20 <LinuxCode> bbcee ?
Apr 09 21:18:22 <LinuxCode> lol
Apr 09 21:18:27 <LinuxCode> ;-p
Apr 09 21:18:32 <mikki-kun> hm, facebook... *not using* still, something for those who need it it looks nice :)
Apr 09 21:18:43 <RevdKathy> Magic Roundabout: "Time for bed, said Zebedee"
Apr 09 21:18:44 <LinuxCode> DEBis calling
Apr 09 21:18:52 <RevdKathy> Night night!
Apr 09 21:18:54 <LinuxCode> nn
Apr 09 21:20:20 <lcuk> gnite RevdKathy
Apr 09 21:23:59 <mikki-kun> ewwwww
Apr 09 21:24:27 <mikki-kun> ohh, phewww no hangup while updating the firmware ^^
Apr 09 21:25:30 <frals> ~curse libosso-abook
Apr 09 21:25:32 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, libosso-abook !
Apr 09 21:26:04 * lcuk offers frals some cocoa
Apr 09 21:26:06 * javispedro manages to crash gdb... again
Apr 09 21:26:14 <lcuk> 6.8 or 7.0?
Apr 09 21:26:19 <javispedro> 6.4
Apr 09 21:26:21 <lcuk> and doin what
Apr 09 21:26:21 <javispedro> :)
Apr 09 21:26:24 <javispedro> (diablo)
Apr 09 21:26:25 <lcuk> oh nm
Apr 09 21:26:26 <frals> javispedro: im pretty good at that as well.. atleast the one in the sdk
Apr 09 21:26:54 <lcuk> frals - gdbing what
Apr 09 21:27:19 <frals> i was trying to get a working testcase with that libosso_abook_search_by_phonenumber or what it was called
Apr 09 21:27:46 <frals> but i scraped it, found it should be doable in pure osso-abook
Apr 09 21:28:00 <frals> but now im getting an empty list of contacts for some reason
Apr 09 21:28:42 <frals> aggregator = osso_abook_aggregator_get_default(&error); gives me what seems to be some random empty addressbook instead of the system one
Apr 09 21:29:17 <javispedro> ah, and osso-abook is closed isn't it
Apr 09 21:29:25 <frals> aye
Apr 09 21:29:37 <javispedro> pfft. tough weekend waiting for you there :)
Apr 09 21:30:19 <frals> im hoping there are some experts in here ;)
Apr 09 21:30:27 * GeneralAntilles notes there's now an iPad in the family.
Apr 09 21:30:34 <PhonicUK> why is the room spinning...
Apr 09 21:30:58 <GeneralAntilles> PhonicUK, turn off automatic orientation detection.
Apr 09 21:31:17 <PhonicUK> i have, but its still spinning
Apr 09 21:31:21 <PhonicUK> eugh im dizzy
Apr 09 21:31:32 <javispedro> stop lucid dreaming
Apr 09 21:32:04 <korhojoa> i'm going to suggest you turn on the inertial dampeners
Apr 09 21:32:18 <mtnbkr> and the artificial gravity
Apr 09 21:32:49 <korhojoa> just see to it that you're next to the floor and not the ceiling
Apr 09 21:33:09 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: I'll help doing the editing if you source some more content ;-)
Apr 09 21:34:05 <frals> http://pastebin.org/143515 why does this return a 0 length list? any osso-abook experts? :)
Apr 09 21:34:26 * frals pokes lcuk
Apr 09 21:35:11 * lcuk refrains from poking frals, but gets rm_you to do it for him
Apr 09 21:35:16 <Jaffa> frals: I *might* have time to look over the weekend, if I get a following wind
Apr 09 21:35:33 <javispedro> ~chase lcuk & frals
Apr 09 21:35:34 * infobot chases lcuk & frals
Apr 09 21:35:40 <lcuk> revdkathy is your wayjaffa, and she has powerful wind - so she says
Apr 09 21:35:41 <frals> Jaffa: cheers :)
Apr 09 21:37:02 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, OK, going to the Rays vs Yankees game tonight, but I should be able to power through some stuff tomorrow morning.
Apr 09 21:37:05 <lcuk> javispedro, what you working on 810?
Apr 09 21:37:16 <javispedro> lcuk: openttd 1.0
Apr 09 21:37:41 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, baseball?
Apr 09 21:37:54 <korhojoa> ~fondle me
Apr 09 21:38:03 <PhonicUK> hmm
Apr 09 21:38:05 <korhojoa> :<
Apr 09 21:38:10 <PhonicUK> "svn" out loud sounds like "seven"
Apr 09 21:38:15 <PhonicUK> alias 7up="svn up"
Apr 09 21:38:26 <korhojoa> how drunk are you?
Apr 09 21:38:39 <PhonicUK> that's the weird bit, I don't drink
Apr 09 21:38:42 <PhonicUK> i just feel weird
Apr 09 21:38:54 <PhonicUK> its probably to do with not having a nights uninterrupted sleep all week
Apr 09 21:38:55 <korhojoa> what pills did you take?
Apr 09 21:39:05 <PhonicUK> none (yet)
Apr 09 21:39:19 <mikki-kun> hm, what about the bash3 package? is it "any good"?
Apr 09 21:39:19 <lcuk> PhonicUK, when you do
Apr 09 21:39:30 <lcuk> get 2 of the biggest pills you can find
Apr 09 21:39:39 <lcuk> put em in your ears and enjoy the p&q :)
Apr 09 21:39:42 <PhonicUK> lol
Apr 09 21:39:51 <PhonicUK> i gotta get up at like 4AM tomorrow morning too :\
Apr 09 21:39:57 <lcuk> eep
Apr 09 21:40:03 <lcuk> its always bad on screwed up sleep
Apr 09 21:40:08 <PhonicUK> yeah :(
Apr 09 21:40:14 <PhonicUK> i feel like, im not really here
Apr 09 21:40:45 <PhonicUK> during my entire day at work i wrote maybe 50 lines of code
Apr 09 21:40:58 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: cool
Apr 09 21:41:28 * lcuk just thought about code today
Apr 09 21:41:40 <lcuk> ive got a hefty block of testing to do
Apr 09 21:41:43 <lcuk> over the weekend
Apr 09 21:41:44 * frals has done nothing all day
Apr 09 21:41:50 <PhonicUK> I want to set up a decent N900 build environment on my Gentoo AMD64 install :\
Apr 09 21:41:53 <frals> the joy of being unemployed.. :P
Apr 09 21:41:57 <lcuk> frals, dont underestimate the discussions you have had :)
Apr 09 21:42:22 <frals> lcuk: true :)
Apr 09 21:43:21 <lcuk> jaffa all gone quiet about the training doofer, any new blog posts about it etc
Apr 09 21:43:27 <lcuk> the london one
Apr 09 21:44:46 <lcuk> frals, makefile or gcc build line for that snippet
Apr 09 21:44:55 <frals> gcc -g abook.c -o abook `pkg-config --cflags --libs glib-2.0 libosso-abook-1.0`
Apr 09 21:45:58 <lcuk> ta
Apr 09 21:46:10 <frals> np
Apr 09 21:46:28 <frals> oh
Apr 09 21:46:32 <frals> i might know what im missing
Apr 09 21:47:52 <frals> doh, i was wrong :p
Apr 09 21:48:57 <lcuk> then post public apology :p
Apr 09 21:48:59 <lcuk> lol
Apr 09 21:49:11 <lcuk> aniello will be going spare that you filled his box :D
Apr 09 21:49:14 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, yeah.
Apr 09 21:49:18 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, go Rays! ;)
Apr 09 21:49:29 <GeneralAntilles> Where's fiferboy when you need him? . . .
Apr 09 21:49:46 <lcuk> cool, baseball looks like a cool game when the weather is good - do they still play in rain etc
Apr 09 21:49:57 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, depends on how much rain.
Apr 09 21:50:02 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, indoor stadium, though.
Apr 09 21:50:09 <lcuk> easy enough then
Apr 09 21:50:09 * GeneralAntilles has had enough convertible sun for the day.
Apr 09 21:51:03 <lcuk> why am i seeing guru meditations on more and more web servers?
Apr 09 21:51:08 <lcuk> slashdot has them now
Apr 09 21:51:23 <lcuk> when they were rare they were cool - now im seeing em everywhere
Apr 09 21:51:46 <V13> I Repeat Class: builder is down... right?
Apr 09 21:52:45 <lcuk> v13 looking : http://maemo.org/packages/ : you might be right
Apr 09 21:53:01 <lcuk> last build 19:56 - now its 22:51
Apr 09 21:53:26 <V13> I'm waiting about 4 hours for an import...
Apr 09 21:53:52 <V13> so... who's to annoy ?
Apr 09 21:53:53 <V13> :)
Apr 09 21:55:36 <lcuk> V13, X-Fade would be person 1
Apr 09 21:55:38 <lcuk> which package
Apr 09 21:55:41 <V13> arg :)
Apr 09 21:55:47 <lcuk> (x-fade is also not normally on now
Apr 09 21:56:17 <V13> well.. i've actman which is waiting to be imported to extras and wok which is waiting to be imported to extras-devel
Apr 09 21:56:50 * V13 packages faster than the builder imports :-P
Apr 09 21:58:17 <lcuk> yeah it does seem to be specifically the import doesnt it
Apr 09 21:58:34 <lcuk> i wonder where its logs are
Apr 09 22:01:42 <V13> ah.. good... there is category "promoter" :-)
Apr 09 22:01:47 <V13> oops.. wrong category
Apr 09 22:03:16 <V13> hehehe... i switched severity to "major"... first time :)
Apr 09 22:13:11 <ds3> 1;2c
Apr 09 22:27:19 <V13> any idea on how to build an armel package from the scratchbox?
Apr 09 22:28:00 <lcuk> v13
Apr 09 22:28:06 <V13> yes?
Apr 09 22:28:07 <lcuk> you just change your target to the ARMEL one
Apr 09 22:28:13 <V13> how ?
Apr 09 22:28:18 <V13> (I'm using the SDK image)
Apr 09 22:28:18 <lcuk> sb-menu
Apr 09 22:28:21 <V13> oh!
Apr 09 22:28:24 <V13> thanks :)
Apr 09 22:28:32 <lcuk> allows you to change and do stuff to which one you are in :)
Apr 09 22:28:38 <V13> (I was using the autobuilder until now :-)
Apr 09 22:28:54 <lcuk> heh, autobuilder was the only way you got device testing?
Apr 09 22:29:11 <lcuk> thats pretty extreme - no wonder you were nervous!
Apr 09 22:29:16 <lcuk> tho commendable
Apr 09 22:29:28 <lcuk> it would be cool to get builder that fast its feasible
Apr 09 22:29:29 <V13> except from python programs yes :)
Apr 09 22:29:41 <lcuk> heh ;)
Apr 09 22:32:00 <V13> hm... sb-menu seems to need to change everything..
Apr 09 22:32:25 <V13> so.. it won't run the ui... right ?
Apr 09 22:32:28 <lcuk> mm what did you select
Apr 09 22:32:50 <V13> freemantle-arm
Apr 09 22:32:51 <lcuk> "Select" = "Activate a target" is what you need
Apr 09 22:33:01 <V13> yes :)
Apr 09 22:33:07 <frals> ~curse http://pastebin.org/143576
Apr 09 22:33:08 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, http://pastebin.org/143576 !
Apr 09 22:33:42 <V13> but i tried to start the ui and it failed
Apr 09 22:33:48 <V13> (af-sb-init.sh start)
Apr 09 22:34:04 <V13> doing it again
Apr 09 22:34:33 <lcuk> try the killall option before you do (it does forceful vulcan neck pinch on everything running
Apr 09 22:35:06 <V13> yes... sb-menu does this :)
Apr 09 22:35:09 <V13> no good
Apr 09 22:35:11 <V13> qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped
Apr 09 22:35:27 <V13> ok.. who needs the gui..
Apr 09 22:35:30 <V13> just build a package
Apr 09 22:35:58 <jacekowski> lcuk: svn.jacekowski.org
Apr 09 22:36:06 <frals> well you use the armel package you build in sdk to test on device dont you?
Apr 09 22:36:14 <frals> and when you wanna run it in sdk you switch x86 :P
Apr 09 22:36:37 <V13> i tried to start the ui in the sdk when i had armel as the target :)
Apr 09 22:37:47 <w00t_> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=603535&postcount=186 - if anyone's interested
Apr 09 22:38:48 <jacekowski> w00t_: uuuuuu
Apr 09 22:38:50 <jacekowski> w00t_: non-free
Apr 09 22:38:59 <jacekowski> w00t_: lcuk isn't going to like it
Apr 09 22:39:27 <w00t_> the code itself is free, but I don't know enough about packaging and haven't had the time to read up on it - yet
Apr 09 22:39:33 <V13> thnx lcuk for the info
Apr 09 22:40:35 <jacekowski> w00t_: i did the same with chrome
Apr 09 22:40:47 <jacekowski> w00t_: and he didn't like it
Apr 09 22:40:58 <V13> lol :)
Apr 09 22:41:10 <lcuk> jacekowski :) svn diff http://svn.jacekowski.org/chromium@2 http://svn.jacekowski.org/chromium@3
Apr 09 22:41:23 <lcuk> difference here is i dont care about w00t because he wrote it all himself
Apr 09 22:41:33 <lcuk> people can choose whatever license for their own code
Apr 09 22:41:46 <jacekowski> lcuk: it's not going to work that way
Apr 09 22:41:56 <lcuk> that just did sorta
Apr 09 22:42:04 <jacekowski> you get part of modifications
Apr 09 22:42:12 <jacekowski> there is no real revision 0 in repository
Apr 09 22:42:37 <lcuk> i get the fact you changed dependencies to python2.5 in loads of places
Apr 09 22:42:48 <jacekowski> yeah
Apr 09 22:42:53 <lcuk> and removed ssl
Apr 09 22:42:56 <jacekowski> no
Apr 09 22:42:59 <jacekowski> ssl is working
Apr 09 22:43:03 <jacekowski> at least it should work
Apr 09 22:43:07 <lcuk> but what it allows jacekowski is discussion
Apr 09 22:43:36 <lcuk> people are blogging and tweeting about what you have done
Apr 09 22:44:02 <lcuk> cool!
Apr 09 22:44:09 <jacekowski> i know
Apr 09 22:44:17 <jacekowski> i've seen a lot of refferers in my server log
Apr 09 22:44:32 <jacekowski> jacekowski:/var/log/apache2# cat  access.log | grep chromium | wc -l
Apr 09 22:44:32 <jacekowski> 2228
Apr 09 22:44:35 <lcuk> yeah its *another* massive browser on the platform :)
Apr 09 22:45:12 <jacekowski> i'm thinking about adding some code that would send me notification of every installation
Apr 09 22:45:22 <Fredrik1994> Uhm
Apr 09 22:45:35 <jacekowski> nobody would notice it
Apr 09 22:45:39 <Fredrik1994> my xchat on computer seems to have expired
Apr 09 22:45:41 <Fredrik1994> = wtf?
Apr 09 22:45:48 <V13> expired ?
Apr 09 22:45:52 <Fredrik1994> isn't it open source...?
Apr 09 22:45:52 <V13> no way
Apr 09 22:45:53 <jacekowski> commercial build
Apr 09 22:45:55 <jacekowski> Fredrik1994: it is
Apr 09 22:45:59 <V13> oh
Apr 09 22:46:03 <Fredrik1994> uh
Apr 09 22:46:06 <w00t_> windows binaries are commercially licenced
Apr 09 22:46:07 <jacekowski> Fredrik1994: but there are some windows builds that expire
Apr 09 22:46:13 <Fredrik1994> ... meh
Apr 09 22:46:14 <w00t_> if you build it yourself, you're fine
Apr 09 22:46:50 <V13> i remember that somewhere was mentioned that it is possible to add accelerometer support for games with an easy way...
Apr 09 22:47:16 <V13> there was a package that did something... did you remember anything about that ?
Apr 09 22:47:21 <V13> s/did/do
Apr 09 22:47:48 <Fredrik1994> seems very unlogical, but okay...? :P
Apr 09 22:47:54 <Fredrik1994> guess i will try to compile it then
Apr 09 22:48:29 <microlith> Fredrik1994: the maintainer did that because making a windows build is, apparently, a pain in the ass
Apr 09 22:48:42 <Fredrik1994> ahh, k
Apr 09 22:50:57 <frals> jacekowski: automagic dial-home is evul
Apr 09 22:53:20 <jacekowski> frals: i don't care
Apr 09 22:53:33 <jacekowski> i don't care about lot of things
Apr 09 22:54:27 <frals> check
Apr 09 22:54:47 <ColdFyre> mate
Apr 09 22:58:44 <V13> here's a no-no: I thought I'd try to port vdrift to n900... then I tried to download it... it is 500MB compressed :)
Apr 09 23:01:09 <jacekowski> V13: that's why i never do any development at home
Apr 09 23:01:23 <jacekowski> V13: either on my dedicated server or at work
Apr 09 23:01:38 <jacekowski> chrome was mostly done at work
Apr 09 23:01:41 <V13> well.. the problem is not the bandwidth.. it'll be here soon :)
Apr 09 23:01:51 <V13> the problem is that it is 500MB compressed..
Apr 09 23:02:06 <V13> most probably it can't be installed in /opt because of space !
Apr 09 23:02:18 <jacekowski> not really
Apr 09 23:02:25 <jacekowski> chrome sources are about 150M compressed
Apr 09 23:02:34 <jacekowski> binary is less than 50
Apr 09 23:02:38 <V13> true
Apr 09 23:02:43 <V13> but chrome is only source
Apr 09 23:02:47 <V13> this one is sound and graphics :)
Apr 09 23:03:00 <jacekowski> stick sound and graphics onto ~/MyDocs/
Apr 09 23:03:11 <V13> yes.
Apr 09 23:03:29 <V13> i'll see what i can do.. but maybe i'll try a smaller one... depends.
Apr 09 23:03:38 <V13> even creating a deb could take an hour
Apr 09 23:05:20 <V13> how long did it take chrome to compile in sb ?
Apr 09 23:26:24 <jacekowski> V13: Debug build - 12h
Apr 09 23:26:34 <jacekowski> Release build faster
Apr 09 23:27:05 <jacekowski> under 2h
Apr 09 23:27:37 <jacekowski> ( but i'm using quite powerfull server to build it )
Apr 09 23:52:02 <DocScrutinizer> parrot AR.Drone quadricopter doesn't look like a fake to me
Apr 09 23:53:17 <DocScrutinizer> I give a shit for the AR games though
Apr 09 23:54:38 <DocScrutinizer> N900 should be much better siuted to steer&control the drone than friggin iPod, as we got hw-kbd
Apr 09 23:55:07 <SpeedEvil_> drone crashed - pulseaudio.
Apr 09 23:55:19 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
Apr 09 23:56:17 <DocScrutinizer> the on-board logic should be smart enough to avoid crashes even when remCon goes offline
Apr 09 23:56:30 <DocScrutinizer> I'm missing a GPS
Apr 09 23:56:56 <ShadowJK> I'm watching a movie on my PC, and pulseaudio is consuming more CPU than MPlayer does to decode audio and decode and display video
Apr 09 23:57:21 <DocScrutinizer> PA is total crap
Apr 09 23:57:26 <DocScrutinizer> always been
Apr 09 23:57:33 <ShadowJK> I think Carmack proved that GPS is almost worse than no GPS on a flying vehicle
Apr 09 23:57:48 <red> 02:53 < red> Ey windows users
Apr 09 23:57:48 <red> 02:54 < red> What's the precies name of "Courier 10 Pitch" under Windows?
Apr 09 23:57:49 <red> 02:54 < red> is it Courier New or Courier?
Apr 09 23:58:10 <red> And to elaborate, on unix Courier looks a lot darker but otherwase the same vs. 10 pitch
Apr 09 23:58:12 <jacekowski> mhm
Apr 09 23:58:14 <jacekowski> http://www.itechmax.com/2010/04/09/nokia-n900-maemo-running-google-chrome/
Apr 09 23:58:20 <jacekowski> does anybody understand that part
Apr 09 23:58:34 <jacekowski> The version that is ported to Nokia N900 Maemo is 32-bit Debian?
Apr 09 23:58:39 <frosty`> jacekowski: just saw your build turn up on reddit
Apr 09 23:59:06 <jacekowski> to be hones i've released it little bit prematurely
Apr 10 00:00:03 <DocScrutinizer> WTF is chrome? wtf is google?
Apr 10 00:00:16 <jacekowski> WTF is WTF?
Apr 10 00:00:30 <DocScrutinizer> ~wtf wtf
Apr 10 00:00:32 <infobot> WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck
Apr 10 00:00:44 <jacekowski> ~wtf google
Apr 10 00:00:46 <infobot> Gee...  I don't know what google means...
Apr 10 00:00:48 <jacekowski> ~wtf chrome
Apr 10 00:00:50 <infobot> Gee...  I don't know what chrome means...
Apr 10 00:00:54 <DocScrutinizer> see?
Apr 10 00:00:56 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
Apr 10 00:00:59 <mikki-kun> lol
Apr 10 00:01:12 <Fredrik1994> -wtf me
Apr 10 00:01:20 <Fredrik1994> meh
Apr 10 00:01:32 <mikki-kun> btw, is the ability to oc the cpu "safe"?
Apr 10 00:01:37 <jacekowski> no
Apr 10 00:01:45 <ShadowJK> no
Apr 10 00:01:50 <jacekowski> it will drasticaly reduce lifetime of your phone
Apr 10 00:02:24 <ShadowJK> even if it doesn't get warm :)
Apr 10 00:02:47 <jacekowski> that helps little bit
Apr 10 00:03:05 <mikki-kun> well, i looked a few specsd and actually these cpu's are natively clocked at... i think it was 800
Apr 10 00:03:15 <ShadowJK> No, the native speed is 500
Apr 10 00:03:24 <ShadowJK> 550 and 600 is overdrive
Apr 10 00:03:52 <mikki-kun> http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a8.php
Apr 10 00:04:07 <ShadowJK> arm does not make CPUs. They make blueprints.
Apr 10 00:04:33 <mikki-kun> but it's then the blueprint of the 65nm LP process i suppose
Apr 10 00:04:35 <jacekowski> mikki-kun: according to ti specs hi speed version can go up to 720
Apr 10 00:04:49 <jacekowski> mikki-kun: but there are many different factors
Apr 10 00:04:52 <ShadowJK> jacekowski, that is only for specific models of the CPU
Apr 10 00:05:13 <jacekowski> and untill you get it onto silicon you can't really tell how fast it will go
Apr 10 00:05:36 <ShadowJK> The standard model goes to 600. The 720 model costs about double :P
Apr 10 00:05:51 <jacekowski> n900 probably has standard one
Apr 10 00:06:13 <ShadowJK> Yes, because the 720 model wasn't available until AFTER the n900 release, let alone before the design was made
Apr 10 00:06:40 <jacekowski> is pinout compatible?
Apr 10 00:06:43 <ShadowJK> yep
Apr 10 00:06:47 <Arkenoi> what is the expected cpu lifetime? most 10 years old cpus are still alive
Apr 10 00:07:17 <ShadowJK> Arkenklo, iirc something like 50 years at 500MHz and 5 years at 600?
Apr 10 00:07:34 <ShadowJK> or was it 10 years at 500 and 5 years at 600... I forget
Apr 10 00:07:43 <Arkenoi> given it rarely goes full speed
Apr 10 00:07:59 <Arkenoi> so even 2 years for 900 is ok
Apr 10 00:08:10 <ShadowJK> I wouldn't expect 2 years from 900 :)
Apr 10 00:08:11 <Arkenoi> i am likely to change phone earlier
Apr 10 00:08:11 <jacekowski> i know that OC to 900MHz would reduce expected lifetime to unreasonably low values
Apr 10 00:08:25 * ShadowJK would expect 9 months
Apr 10 00:08:48 <Arkenoi> 9 months of running at full speed?
Apr 10 00:08:53 <Arkenoi> that's more than ok
Apr 10 00:08:58 <ShadowJK> device lifetime :P
Apr 10 00:09:27 <Arkenoi> i doubt things are *that* bad
Apr 10 00:09:36 <ShadowJK> I don't
Apr 10 00:09:49 <Arkenoi> at least desktop cpus are unlikely to get damaged by overclock without overheat
Apr 10 00:10:04 <ShadowJK> But they do get damaged by overvoltage :-)
Apr 10 00:10:08 <ShadowJK> just like the N900 cpu
Apr 10 00:10:15 <mikki-kun> hmm...
Apr 10 00:10:20 <mikki-kun> what about "warranty"?
Apr 10 00:10:22 <ShadowJK> 550 and 600 are overvolted :)
Apr 10 00:10:22 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=597069&postcount=132
Apr 10 00:10:50 <ShadowJK> mikki-kun, obviously overclock voids warranty :)
Apr 10 00:11:01 <mikki-kun> how can they prove you oc'ed it?
Apr 10 00:11:47 <DocScrutinizer> you mustn't think they are idiots
Apr 10 00:12:19 <ShadowJK> You're not overclocking the memory, it will still be healthy and contain everythign :)
Apr 10 00:12:30 <Fredrik1994> is google chrome optified?
Apr 10 00:12:36 <DocScrutinizer> you bet they done some tests, to decide they don't support >600, and for sure they know the failure pattern OC is causing
Apr 10 00:13:09 <Fredrik1994> if not, fine, i will still test it, but could be good to know
Apr 10 00:13:11 <mikki-kun> well, then you gotta use a match and burn the mem a lil :D
Apr 10 00:13:12 <DocScrutinizer> ~jtag
Apr 10 00:13:14 <infobot> hmm... jtag is a method of reflashing bricked devices. it stands for "joint test access group", if joshua_ remembers correctly. the method used is called "boundary scan" over a parallel port. it works by sending commands to twiddle individual pins on the CPU. LART JTAG info can be found at http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/projects/jtag/ .
Apr 10 00:14:21 <jacekowski> Fredrik1994: yes
Apr 10 00:14:25 <Fredrik1994> ah
Apr 10 00:14:26 <Fredrik1994> nice
Apr 10 00:14:32 <Arkenoi> what about "low voltage" kernels?
Apr 10 00:14:35 <jacekowski> and regardless what people say
Apr 10 00:14:39 <Fredrik1994> no worries about full rootfs then
Apr 10 00:14:40 <jacekowski> it's optified
Apr 10 00:14:46 <Arkenoi> it should be safer
Apr 10 00:15:19 <jacekowski> Arkenoi: lifespan gets reduced
Apr 10 00:15:35 <Arkenoi> but not that bad
Apr 10 00:15:45 <jacekowski> Arkenoi: cpu that's overclocked to it's limits rarely lasts for 2 years
Apr 10 00:15:59 <DocScrutinizer> often (not sure for omap) you can even test single functionblocks inside the SoC and even CPU
Apr 10 00:16:35 <DocScrutinizer> so they probably don't even have to XRay the SoC to proove you OC-fried it
Apr 10 00:16:41 <jacekowski> ShadowJK: overclock can't void warranty as such
Apr 10 00:17:02 <jacekowski> ShadowJK: it only voids it for faults related to OC
Apr 10 00:17:16 <jacekowski> ShadowJK: so if screen would go wrong warranty still covers it
Apr 10 00:17:53 <jacekowski> if cpu goes wrong - then it's tricky - because you can still prove that it's not because of OC ( which is very unlikely )
Apr 10 00:18:26 <DocScrutinizer> until Nokia comes with a giberish explanation why it's caused by OC, and you have to pay k-bucks for experts doing counter expertise
Apr 10 00:18:36 <ShadowJK> :)
Apr 10 00:19:44 <jacekowski> Fredrik1994: where have you heard about it anyways?
Apr 10 00:20:24 <DocScrutinizer> which is applicable for nearly everything from black screen to exploding battery, except maybe when the case is coloring your antique desk
Apr 10 00:22:02 <Arkenoi> so why ULV kernels are still that bad for CPU if there is no overvoltage?
Apr 10 00:22:15 <DocScrutinizer> leave it up to you to calculate your chances at court
Apr 10 00:24:40 <DocScrutinizer> actually if it's difficult and expensive to proove it's been OC that caused a device failure, odds are Nokia will simply state on *any* waranty request that it's been caused by OC. Thanks for OC kernel, thank you OC fools :-(
Apr 10 00:25:46 <Arkenoi> well, as there is no true worldwide warranty by nokia, my device is covered by third-party warranty
Apr 10 00:25:57 <Arkenoi> wonder if they know about overclocking too
Apr 10 00:27:11 <DocScrutinizer> my waranty is covered by local Nokia competence center (contractor to Nokia), and they do the simple repairs, but send in all complicated ones to Nokia
Apr 10 00:27:16 <ShadowJK> court costs more for you than new n900 anyway :)
Apr 10 00:27:26 <DocScrutinizer> you bet
Apr 10 00:28:03 <DocScrutinizer> so it's fscking easy for Nokia if they start to feel pissed by large numbers of OC borked devices
Apr 10 00:28:34 <Arkenoi> i think i am going to wait a few more days to see how things settle down before trying OC kernel
Apr 10 00:28:55 <ShadowJK> Though if I get the usb port issue and they refuse, if needed I'll take em through court just to make a point...
Apr 10 00:29:08 <DocScrutinizer> they have the power, they have no risk, and they have a pretty good excuse why they have lots of bitching users complaining Nokia doesn't fulfill waranty
Apr 10 00:29:10 <Arkenoi> we already to have "better" OC kernels than first ones ;-)
Apr 10 00:29:20 <Arkenoi> s/to/do/
Apr 10 00:29:20 <infobot> Arkenoi meant: we already do have "better" OC kernels than first ones ;-)
Apr 10 00:30:14 <ShadowJK> and that point wouldn't be "you suck i hate you", I'd hope it'd send a "you're a fucking communications company, please COMMUNICATE with yourself" ;p
Apr 10 00:36:55 <jacekowski> it'll be really easy if it's oc that broken it
Apr 10 00:37:13 <jacekowski> to check if*
Apr 10 00:37:31 <jacekowski> just check if it's using original kernel
Apr 10 00:37:51 <jacekowski> and average user can't change it back to original after breaking his device
Apr 10 00:44:11 <javispedro> uh, overclocking again
Apr 10 00:45:30 <Arkenoi> wow, my suspections turned out to be true: damn as-daemon, modest and other shit run at EXACTLY the same priority as, say, media player. that SUCKS
Apr 10 00:45:50 <javispedro> it doesn't
Apr 10 00:46:04 <Arkenoi> at least it is what htop says
Apr 10 00:46:50 <Arkenoi> and you get hiccups when the damn thing start syncing
Apr 10 00:47:03 <javispedro> first and foremost,
Apr 10 00:47:04 <Arkenoi> always
Apr 10 00:47:07 <javispedro> I don't most of the time
Apr 10 00:47:22 <javispedro> when it happens, it's usually io bound
Apr 10 00:47:40 <javispedro> and also, the process doing the actual decoding is unniced
Apr 10 00:53:38 <javispedro> Google to fund a Theora decoder for ARM
Apr 10 00:53:43 <javispedro> interesting.
Apr 10 00:54:10 <javispedro> (guess that means they don't plan to use their On2 codecs for anything remotely-free :P)
Apr 10 00:58:00 <opdf2> anyone having problems with usb connector?
Apr 10 00:58:26 <jacekowski> apparently lot of people
Apr 10 00:59:02 <opdf2> is there a way to prevent this problem from even developing?
Apr 10 00:59:10 <jacekowski> be gentle
Apr 10 01:02:32 <opdf2> yes i have been very. i hope the later manufacture dates are less prone. Seems like 2009 dates are susceptible
Apr 10 01:19:29 <opdf2> maybe shaving down the rails on the cable would help as well
Apr 10 01:21:01 <jacekowski> rotfl
Apr 10 01:21:01 <jacekowski> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33051&page=14
Apr 10 01:21:10 <jacekowski> i've just noticed tags
Apr 10 01:21:28 <jacekowski> inferior compared to ff, microb killer,
Apr 10 02:12:19 * ENTERANICK [W2I=000:u:0:000:]
Apr 10 02:16:05 <crashanddie> ENTERANICK: sorry?
Apr 10 02:30:48 <adalal> hey, anyone knows if the email client in maemo 5 can have an html signature?
Apr 10 02:41:09 <jacekowski> adalal: are you talking about modest or other client?
Apr 10 02:54:10 <godrik> is there a channel related to maemo mapper or should I ask my question here ?
Apr 10 02:54:25 <Guest98600> is it possible to port maemo to another ARM9 based device? anybody have tried this? tks
Apr 10 02:54:42 <GAN900> Which Maemo?
Apr 10 02:54:52 <GAN900> Maemo 5 is highly unlikely
Apr 10 02:54:57 <GAN900> You might get away with an older version
Apr 10 02:54:58 <Ken-Young> Guest98600, check out http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer
Apr 10 02:55:04 <GAN900> Also: define "Maemo"
Apr 10 02:55:09 <GAN900> But, yeah, Mer.
Apr 10 02:57:12 <Guest98600> maemo 5 is our preferred one
Apr 10 02:57:40 <Guest98600> why there is no chance to port maemo 5 to another device?
Apr 10 02:58:05 <GAN900> Er
Apr 10 02:58:11 <GAN900> No chance for ARM9
Apr 10 02:58:17 <Guest98600> I am still confused by the relationship between mer and maemo
Apr 10 02:58:20 <GAN900> since most don't come with a GPU
Apr 10 02:58:24 <GAN900> among other issues
Apr 10 02:58:46 <GAN900> Mer is the open source components of Maemo rebased on an Ubuntu platform.
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