**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 16 03:00:02 2010 Apr 16 03:01:39 what's the problem with ext3 now? Apr 16 03:04:24 no support in builtin scripts Apr 16 03:09:41 jacekowski: N8x0 or N900? Apr 16 03:09:54 works fine on N8x0 if you run depmod Apr 16 03:12:21 works on n900 too, just no automount and random apps think memory card doesn't exist Apr 16 03:12:31 and camera app outright doesn't work iirc Apr 16 03:14:40 in other words, there are vfat assumptions built in all over the place :) Apr 16 03:19:15 ShadowJK: automount works on N8x0 Apr 16 03:20:07 iirc the scripts on N900 grep output of fdisk looking specifically for fat partitions, and then try to mount it with -t vfat Apr 16 03:20:33 ugly Apr 16 03:23:20 cywin ftw Apr 16 03:23:21 heh Apr 16 03:23:28 makes for a quick win7 x server Apr 16 03:23:49 i should see if it has zsh.. doubtful.. but bash is better than cmd Apr 16 03:24:16 * luke-jr smacks Macer Apr 16 03:28:37 hello anyone awake/alive here? Apr 16 03:29:16 nop Apr 16 03:29:20 I killed them all Apr 16 03:29:28 you're the only survivor Apr 16 03:29:32 :) Apr 16 03:29:45 hm just wondering like if the majority here would be european Apr 16 03:29:52 or also a lot of american people Apr 16 03:30:12 it's now 5h30am where I live Apr 16 03:30:16 so not much people from europe will be online now Apr 16 03:30:22 perhaps only the die-hards lets say :p Apr 16 03:31:14 I am going to admit I am not a developer, actually a sysadmin. But I find the phone lacking some really basic functions according to my requirements (and I think according to most peoples requirements) Apr 16 03:31:15 6.30 where I am :P Apr 16 03:31:40 is there a nice guide/howto on how to setup a complete development environment (virtual i guess) Apr 16 03:31:45 dude, xterm, ssh, openvpn, rsync.. all a sysadmin needs :D Apr 16 03:31:47 without having the phone itself? Apr 16 03:32:18 I good friend of mine is a very nice developer, one of the top people I know in the country Apr 16 03:32:32 I even told him I want to pay but he wants to do it for free Apr 16 03:32:47 only thing is I'm not going to pay him a phone ofcourse ... :p Apr 16 03:32:56 the easiest path is probably to use the virtual image Apr 16 03:32:58 so how to setup a dev environment for him? Apr 16 03:33:25 he already worked on iphone and other mobile devices before so it's not like he's an amateur :) Apr 16 03:33:36 virtual image where? Apr 16 03:33:40 Gh0sty: Maemo is not a phone platform Apr 16 03:34:03 it has phone functionality also Apr 16 03:34:13 so i want it to have at least some nice phone features also :) Apr 16 03:34:17 it's a side function Apr 16 03:34:20 i know Apr 16 03:34:23 it's not meant to be a phone Apr 16 03:34:26 but my statement goes ... :p Apr 16 03:34:34 my NIT does not have phone capabilities Apr 16 03:34:38 its just in the spirit of the open source ... Apr 16 03:34:39 at all Apr 16 03:34:43 i want it cause i can :p Apr 16 03:34:45 Maemo is not open source Apr 16 03:34:48 http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html Apr 16 03:34:54 I guess that's where you download it Apr 16 03:34:57 or start to Apr 16 03:35:09 "Developers wanting to use a Microsoft Windows or Apple Mac environment should visit the Maemo SDK Virtual Image or Maemo Application Development and Debugging Environment (MADDE) projects." Apr 16 03:35:26 * ShadowJK uses the Virtual Image on linux too Apr 16 03:35:41 setting up the SDK on Fedora is a daylong royal pain in the ass, i'm told Apr 16 03:36:17 cehteh: it's windows only? Apr 16 03:36:38 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide Apr 16 03:36:40 why are the linux news site going crazy then? Apr 16 03:38:49 ShadowJK: thx a lot Apr 16 03:38:59 we'll do it on debian or mac probably Apr 16 03:39:12 the guy uses a mac at work to develop for rhel also :) Apr 16 03:39:17 <_ToArtist_> how to use MADDE Apr 16 03:39:32 but like he writes code his code is portable over multiple platforms normally :) Apr 16 03:39:47 a pitty the guy is leaving the company soon but thats due to management :( Apr 16 03:39:56 can't blame him, thinking to leave myself too Apr 16 03:40:07 things I would ask him to implement first: Apr 16 03:40:16 auto-switcher between 2g and 3g Apr 16 03:40:21 there is one Apr 16 03:40:37 a wifi module audo unloader when wifi is not in use Apr 16 03:40:41 auto* Apr 16 03:40:58 a portrait style unlock screen ... :p Apr 16 03:41:11 you're not supposed to unload modules when not in use ... Apr 16 03:41:17 possibility to add messages into the "phone like screen" Apr 16 03:41:30 luke-jr: i now have an applet which does unload it Apr 16 03:41:42 and I've read that this should improve battery life a lot Apr 16 03:41:49 shouldn't. Apr 16 03:41:56 if it does, there's a real bug somewhere Apr 16 03:42:02 not that I notice much difference but my phone is now only lasting a day Apr 16 03:42:08 There's a bug that makes wifi eat lots of power occasionally Apr 16 03:42:13 luke-jr: thats just my problem Apr 16 03:42:22 If i look at the maemo site ... the community Apr 16 03:42:23 iirc turning off "Switch to wlan when available" fixed it for me Apr 16 03:42:32 you find a ton of "hacks" on how to save power ... Apr 16 03:42:34 Gh0sty: N900 is only designed to last 6 hours IIRC Apr 16 03:42:50 lol Apr 16 03:42:58 but none of them are officially supported by the people from nokia it seems :P Apr 16 03:43:10 mine lasts about 16 on the original battery (xchat on 30+ channels online) :P Apr 16 03:43:12 and with officially supported i mean ... "confirmed to work for all" Apr 16 03:43:26 ShadowJK: yes but I want to use it also as a phone ... :p Apr 16 03:43:42 It should last at least a day when used merely as a phone ... Apr 16 03:43:52 hm Apr 16 03:44:09 like say 90% of the time it should be just connected to the phone network in standby Apr 16 03:44:12 My previous phones didn't last more than a day either, so :) Apr 16 03:44:22 5% should be 3G surfing Apr 16 03:44:25 my phone dies in a few hours if I use it constantly Apr 16 03:44:33 and another 5% wifi surfing Apr 16 03:44:45 but then, it's 6 years old or so, so that might be why Apr 16 03:44:55 think thats a realistic usage pattern from my point of view Apr 16 03:45:04 you are from nokia? :p Apr 16 03:45:18 since nobody else can have it for that long :) Apr 16 03:45:44 by any accident none of you guys is the one I spoke to at the UKUUG conference 2 weeks ago? :) Apr 16 03:45:50 oh wait, the "automatic 2g" thing I saw was some stupid thing that switches from 3g to 2g when on wifi... wtf? Apr 16 03:46:05 luke doesn't have an n900 Apr 16 03:46:13 huh? Apr 16 03:46:23 ah he still has 820 or so? :) Apr 16 03:46:26 or 700? Apr 16 03:46:33 a friend offered me a 700 I think Apr 16 03:46:40 he has laying around his office Apr 16 03:46:44 not using any more Apr 16 03:46:48 He has a N810, and wont get tricked into buying nokia again until they've made an open phone. Apr 16 03:47:19 but can't run much I guess since 700 is not upgradeable to any recent maemo :) Apr 16 03:47:42 Gh0sty: 820 doesn't exist Apr 16 03:47:45 Gh0sty: neither does 700 Apr 16 03:47:51 what? Apr 16 03:47:57 Gh0sty: there's the 770 Apr 16 03:48:00 what do you have Apr 16 03:48:05 also n800 and n810 Apr 16 03:48:12 I have n800, n810 and n900 Apr 16 03:48:16 ah well then it's a 770 and 810 i wanted to say ... :) Apr 16 03:48:19 * ShadowJK has n800, n810 and n900 too :-) Apr 16 03:48:27 lol :) Apr 16 03:48:35 was considering to buy an 810 Apr 16 03:48:37 note that 770 has no N, the others are part of N-series Apr 16 03:48:44 never did it cause it was not a phone Apr 16 03:48:47 now I have :p Apr 16 03:48:53 immediatly the 900 Apr 16 03:49:17 what is the functionallity of the 770 still? Apr 16 03:49:26 can you surf to flash sites for example? Apr 16 03:49:39 with 2008HE maybe.. Apr 16 03:49:40 and how good/open is the sdk there? Apr 16 03:49:45 Gh0sty: Apple made flash obsolete Apr 16 03:49:47 * godrik giggles Apr 16 03:49:58 This is the first good thing apple has done! Apr 16 03:50:00 I applaud Apr 16 03:50:12 ShadowJK: i think the guy told me there is the latest firmware on it, even some beta version which never made final or something Apr 16 03:50:15 I dread upgrading my OS, I have crashproof flash setup right now :( Apr 16 03:50:22 ShadowJK: did you see my post on tmo about that Apr 16 03:50:27 I know some peole who know some people who work at nokia ... ;) Apr 16 03:50:30 crashanddie, about? Apr 16 03:50:36 ShadowJK: They did something else before. They taught people computer does not have to be ugly and beige :) Apr 16 03:50:41 ShadowJK: about how good it is for apple to render flash pointless Apr 16 03:50:52 ah, no Apr 16 03:50:54 how good it is for everyone Apr 16 03:50:56 godrik: shut up about apple Apr 16 03:51:04 i'm a linux guy ... :P Apr 16 03:51:14 running 99.9% linux whenever I can :) Apr 16 03:51:16 But yo know, there's enough crap in html5 to bring us back to "agh why is htis so fucking slow still, I have a quad core 3 gigahertz computer!!" Apr 16 03:51:36 but hey Apr 16 03:51:44 a girlfriend of mine still wants the ipad ... :p Apr 16 03:51:52 ShadowJK: that's progress ShadowJK ! Apr 16 03:51:52 can't convince here it's crap right now Apr 16 03:52:01 but ok she'll find out :) Apr 16 03:52:04 Gh0sty: that's a nice maxipad ! :) Apr 16 03:52:20 I have only an ipod nano which i got from work as a gift once Apr 16 03:52:22 ShadowJK: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=602042&postcount=23 Apr 16 03:52:28 meaning to crash it into a wall Apr 16 03:52:29 I assumed by "auto-switcher" you mean something that switches from 3g to 2g when screen is off, or something, so that you don't kill your battery in 6 hours on SIP/Jabber/MSN/GoogleTalk/IRC/IM/email etc.. Apr 16 03:52:31 from frustration Apr 16 03:53:03 ShadowJK: for example Apr 16 03:53:07 but even better: Apr 16 03:53:15 if there is no browser or shell open anymore Apr 16 03:53:22 and it's into phone mode again Apr 16 03:53:25 Gh0sty: suggest a WePad Apr 16 03:53:40 luke-jr: enough with the giggles ... :P Apr 16 03:53:45 Gh0sty: seriously Apr 16 03:53:50 or TouchBook Apr 16 03:53:57 they're both superior products Apr 16 03:54:11 you can't convince people when they are just plain stuborn Apr 16 03:54:12 I use the 3g/2g/dual mode switch applet/widget (it sits in statusmenu) Apr 16 03:54:14 and its a girl Apr 16 03:54:19 changing girls mind Apr 16 03:54:23 Gh0sty: WePad has a webcam. Apr 16 03:54:25 I would need a hammer :p Apr 16 03:54:35 TouchBook has a magnet Apr 16 03:54:37 ShadowJK: me too for now Apr 16 03:54:43 but I want something automatic Apr 16 03:54:49 I'm a sysadmin as said Apr 16 03:54:52 and have the idea Apr 16 03:54:56 gents, please go discuss this in #apple or #defocus Apr 16 03:55:00 script once, never do again :p Apr 16 03:58:02 so I want some auto switcher on that Apr 16 03:58:16 also 1 nice feature my E65 had (well added through software) Apr 16 03:58:25 auto-profile switcher Apr 16 03:58:38 based on a) time b) cell location Apr 16 03:58:59 * ShadowJK wants lower minimum volume :) Apr 16 03:59:05 however in the e65 it was not possible to combine a and b Apr 16 03:59:13 I want this to be fixed here Apr 16 03:59:17 so for example: Apr 16 03:59:50 when i am at home (location) and it's 10pm (time) go to profile 'silent' or even offline Apr 16 04:00:08 when i'm not at home ... stay on profile general Apr 16 04:00:27 when i'm leaving home switch on bluetooth (i'm probably in the car) Apr 16 04:00:39 when i'm arriving at work switch off bluetooth Apr 16 04:00:55 oh I'd want something that automatically goes to completely silent/novibrate at work where there's an official "no phones" policy :P Apr 16 04:01:18 ShadowJK: that has been rejected Apr 16 04:01:23 so in the end: multiple profiles (already have those now sorta with an applet called tweakr) Apr 16 04:01:29 ShadowJK: EU asked for it, and it never took, sadly Apr 16 04:01:56 ShadowJK: though it would be easily implementable... Just have a BT-like emitor that sends a "No phones here please" signal Apr 16 04:02:07 ah yes and another example which i had setup at my previous phone for example ... Apr 16 04:02:19 i tagged the cells inside the cinema where i go to regularly Apr 16 04:02:31 when i arrive at the cinema my phone goes to vibrate only Apr 16 04:02:53 this is what i mean with the "basic phone functionality" i am looking for Apr 16 04:03:08 thats where i want this device to make a difference for me in my everyday life :) Apr 16 04:03:31 crashanddie, yes well, checking CellID to see if I'm near work, and setting phone to silent/novibrate would do. I just want it to not ring when I have phone in a place where I'm not supposed to have it ;) Apr 16 04:03:40 just automate things a bit so i don't need to bother about it Apr 16 04:03:49 and i even want to pay to get this fixed ... :) Apr 16 04:03:53 crashanddie: what would stop me from carrying a "no phones here" transmitter? :P Apr 16 04:04:08 luke-jr: nothing, and ought to be your right too, right? Apr 16 04:04:31 hehe the idea alone :) Apr 16 04:04:36 luke-jr: if I don't want some jackass to scream HELLLOOOO in my ear while I'm on the train Apr 16 04:04:43 but you think what i put up here is outrageous ? :P Apr 16 04:04:49 this is the stuff i'm looking for :) Apr 16 04:05:02 Gh0sty: code it? Apr 16 04:05:05 that the phone lasts for a day and the above few things ... Apr 16 04:05:16 crashanddie: i'm not a coder but as said a friend is willing to help :) Apr 16 04:05:17 Gh0sty: Open Source isn't "I WANT >THIS< CODE PLZ" Apr 16 04:05:35 crashanddie: I have a right to silence the phones of everyone around me? Apr 16 04:05:43 thats why i asked nicely above how to get the SDK up and running Apr 16 04:05:47 luke-jr: in my opinion? Yeah Apr 16 04:05:49 just putting my toughts here Apr 16 04:05:58 Open Source is: start working on an idea, "If you build it they will come" Apr 16 04:06:11 Trains here have soundproof booths with a big sign with the picture of a cellphone. You're supposed to go there if you get a call, so you can talk without disturbing the other passengers Apr 16 04:06:13 Doesn't necessarily mean code though, can also be framework/architecture Apr 16 04:06:25 crashanddie: but I am actually surprised that for a +500 eur phone i have to 'hire' a guy to have basic functions i would expect from any phone Apr 16 04:06:52 Gh0sty: there's your problem "you expect" Apr 16 04:07:03 but as said ... I will fix it Apr 16 04:07:13 Commercial products aren't based around "expectations", it's your job to buy whatever you want/need. Apr 16 04:07:17 you have a threatening tone man ... I'm just putting my toughts here ... Apr 16 04:07:26 have some respect please :/ Apr 16 04:07:38 [23:03:49] and i even want to pay to get this fixed ... :) <-- this is the spirit of open source :) Apr 16 04:07:55 hm... based on a 10 minute current consumption average, I'd get 4 hours of xchat + media player streaming 128kbit AAC over EDGE on N900 :) Apr 16 04:07:57 if it says on the box "does this", and it doesn't, then I absolutely agree with you, however, as far as I'm aware, it didn't. Apr 16 04:08:03 Gh0sty: again, it's not a phone Apr 16 04:08:19 ok but as i said ... I want to use it as a phone also Apr 16 04:08:21 ShadowJK: in the UK it's the other way around, specific cars have a no-phones policy Apr 16 04:08:34 I know it is and can be so much more ... but I expect it also to be my phone :p Apr 16 04:08:36 I'd love to use my toaster as a microwave Apr 16 04:08:47 otherwise it's a bit stupid to carry 2 devices around :) Apr 16 04:08:50 Gh0sty: fine, but you want to repurpose it. that is your job. Apr 16 04:09:13 as said: I do because I can :p Apr 16 04:09:14 it's not "more than a phone". it's a computer that your particular model happens to have phone capabilities Apr 16 04:09:24 also part of the "open source" spirit :p Apr 16 04:09:24 lol Apr 16 04:09:38 I know my toaster is a toaster and can be so much more ... but I expect also to be my microwave :P Apr 16 04:09:44 this is my point of view also on linux in general: Apr 16 04:09:51 crashanddie, there's a toaster that runs NetBSD Apr 16 04:09:53 It should do what I want, not what the system wants :) Apr 16 04:10:00 Just because I can :p Apr 16 04:10:06 ShadowJK: quite a few microwaves run BSD actually Apr 16 04:10:13 crashanddie: take your pills! Apr 16 04:10:15 Gh0sty: fine, but you are responsible for making it do it :) Apr 16 04:10:17 Gh0sty: god I'd love that Apr 16 04:10:32 Gh0sty: though computers still don't have the ability to read minds Apr 16 04:10:35 and I think the device has the potential ... only will have to fix it myself :) Apr 16 04:10:42 so in order for it to do what you want, you need to tell it Apr 16 04:10:50 crashanddie, actually, OCZ make a neural sensor Apr 16 04:10:54 crashanddie: well if it comes close enough to what I want I'm happy :p Apr 16 04:11:03 Gh0sty: fairy nuff Apr 16 04:11:11 Gh0sty: learn python, seriously Apr 16 04:11:15 Gh0sty: you'll love it Apr 16 04:11:20 ... Apr 16 04:11:22 btw any official nokia people ever visit this channel? :) Apr 16 04:11:22 I hate Python Apr 16 04:11:29 supposed to know some of them ... Apr 16 04:11:32 Gh0sty: http://xkcd.com/353/ Apr 16 04:11:35 Gh0sty: crashanddie is sortof official nokia IIRC Apr 16 04:11:41 eh? Apr 16 04:11:48 since when? Apr 16 04:11:51 I didn't get that memo Apr 16 04:11:56 since you have +o ? Apr 16 04:12:00 nha Apr 16 04:12:03 crashanddie: i know xkcd and python is on my shortlist on things to learn Apr 16 04:12:20 weee, luke-jr is official nokia now Apr 16 04:12:23 when i have "the time" (the big obscure thing which gets sucked into black holes) Apr 16 04:12:25 Perl > Python Apr 16 04:12:27 crashanddie: that's cheating Apr 16 04:12:34 Gh0sty, people that work for Nokia visit here Apr 16 04:12:42 hmm Apr 16 04:12:48 I should have kicked Stskeeps while I had the chance Apr 16 04:12:51 <.< Apr 16 04:13:02 Gh0sty, though rarely "as official Nokia representatives" Apr 16 04:13:13 ~ping Apr 16 04:13:14 ~pong Apr 16 04:13:15 well there is a guy working there we call him p2 which is one of the developers I hear :) Apr 16 04:13:23 he's also from belgium originally Apr 16 04:13:26 wow, 10 seconds ping Apr 16 04:13:37 crashanddie: it's on your side Apr 16 04:13:39 And then we have various people who get paid by nokia for various things Apr 16 04:13:41 crashanddie: I only saw 2 seconds Apr 16 04:13:48 luke-jr: I'm using webchat Apr 16 04:13:54 but ok I will have a look at the sdk Apr 16 04:13:57 Gh0sty: you from belgium bru? Apr 16 04:14:02 hope my friend can teach me a bit Apr 16 04:14:08 yes i am from belgium Apr 16 04:14:11 not brussels Apr 16 04:14:23 but rather near gent if that tells you something :p Apr 16 04:14:32 Gh0sty: ja, gent ken ik :) Apr 16 04:14:36 "The niaâ„¢ PC Game Controller frees your hands from commonly used game controls to experience true game immersion. By translating facial expressions, eye movements and concentrated brainwave activity into PC game keyboard and mouse controls, nia opens new." Apr 16 04:14:43 lol you from belgium too? :P Apr 16 04:14:46 or what? :) Apr 16 04:14:48 "concentrated brainwave activity" :) Apr 16 04:15:11 Gh0sty: yeah, only lived there for 14 years though, then moved to france, uk, and now australia Apr 16 04:15:27 ShadowJK: i'd opt for a matrix style plug in my head (well a bit more fancy for the ladies :P ) Apr 16 04:15:30 ShadowJK: http://xkcd.com/728/ Apr 16 04:15:37 woow thats nice crashanddie :P Apr 16 04:15:45 you're a globalist Apr 16 04:15:52 but i really like belgium Apr 16 04:15:55 it's nice :) Apr 16 04:15:55 Gh0sty: m'n familie is van vlaanderen (een beetje overal), maar ik ben altijd naar waalse schoolen gegaan Apr 16 04:16:36 Gh0sty: dus heb nooit nederlands geleerd, alleen maar door het te praten met familie (dus ik maak verschrikelijk veel fouten wanneer ik nederlands typ ;)) Apr 16 04:16:36 then i should congratulate you, your dutch is better than most people from the french part of belgium and especially after such a long time :) Apr 16 04:17:03 absoluut niet, mijn frans (geschreven althans) is veel slechter dan jouw nederlands Apr 16 04:17:08 Wel I usually don't have issues speaking dutch, it's just writing that's a bitch Apr 16 04:17:18 especially when it comes to "dt" Apr 16 04:17:18 voor derest ben ik 3 talig (nederlands/frans/engels) Apr 16 04:17:25 haha lol Apr 16 04:17:39 but then again, most natives struggle with dt too, so I'm too bothered :P Apr 16 04:17:45 yes that dt rule ... not easy for none native dutch people :) Apr 16 04:17:53 s/ too/ not too/ Apr 16 04:17:54 crashanddie meant: but then again, most natives struggle with dt not too, so I'm too bothered :P Apr 16 04:17:54 oh well thats not so important :) Apr 16 04:18:03 feck, failwhale Apr 16 04:18:16 ~useless Apr 16 04:18:17 lol Apr 16 04:18:17 * infobot starts crying and hides from crashanddie in the darkest corner of the room. :( Apr 16 04:18:21 i know what you mean :) Apr 16 04:18:32 ~botsnack Apr 16 04:18:32 luke-jr: :) Apr 16 04:18:34 ~lart crashanddie Apr 16 04:18:34 * infobot makes a balloon animal out of crashanddie Apr 16 04:18:43 infobot: you need to start reading thoughts Apr 16 04:19:12 but you work for nokia really? Apr 16 04:19:20 or you just a fan ;- Apr 16 04:19:21 0 Apr 16 04:19:21 LOL Apr 16 04:19:44 Stskeeps gets paid by Nokia, at least Apr 16 04:19:51 or thats on a need to know basis :P Apr 16 04:19:52 but I think he's "officially" not an employee Apr 16 04:19:58 he's a contractor Apr 16 04:20:06 works for the community Apr 16 04:20:08 paid for by nokia Apr 16 04:20:16 thats cool Apr 16 04:20:23 nokia has the right spirit on that :/ Apr 16 04:20:26 Stskeeps: lick my shoes, the community wants it. Apr 16 04:20:30 LOL Apr 16 04:20:31 wish more companies were like that :/ Apr 16 04:20:49 paying people to develop open source Apr 16 04:20:53 crashanddie, you have to ask the council first Apr 16 04:21:12 I even have trouble sometimes to get documentation validated to be published to the outside world ... Apr 16 04:21:50 its my way of doing something back for the community ... I work in 'secure' environment ... Apr 16 04:22:00 and they like to maintain security by obscurity .... Apr 16 04:22:29 meaning if i publish something it should be done that it's not traceable where it comes from. who created it exactly and so on ... :/ Apr 16 04:22:45 so not getting much credits anywhere but as long as i can ... Apr 16 04:23:24 but ok, since I have insomnia I was awake at 5am local time Apr 16 04:23:24 ... Apr 16 04:23:32 now it's 6h20 Apr 16 04:23:41 time to get up, take a shower and go to work ... Apr 16 04:23:43 meaning you have a NDA that you've just publicly on record said you're willing to violate Apr 16 04:24:03 or the company really just doesn't want credit for their work? Apr 16 04:24:04 to put the time I gain from not sleeping into some good use ... Apr 16 04:24:24 luke-jr: I don't have an NDA Apr 16 04:24:42 luke-jr: if only you knew how many documents I sent to wikileaks ;) Apr 16 04:24:43 but in european contracts it says "everything you invent here or create here is owned by the company" Apr 16 04:24:46 crashanddie: ... Apr 16 04:25:00 I invent nothing in fact, I just beta/alfa test stuff, document it for the company Apr 16 04:25:03 Gh0sty: so just infringing on their copyrights Apr 16 04:25:13 luke-jr: note that the statement above is absolutely useless legally. Apr 16 04:25:21 and make a copy of the documentation with no specifics and the company information ofcourse removed ... Apr 16 04:25:23 crashanddie: :) Apr 16 04:25:32 let that get approved by the company head first ... Apr 16 04:25:37 and then publish that online ... Apr 16 04:25:50 usually on the wiki or something of the project in question Apr 16 04:25:57 o.O Apr 16 04:26:07 but I usually hand it over to someone else from the project to publish it Apr 16 04:26:13 so it does not come from me officially Apr 16 04:26:14 luke-jr: there's also a lot of marketing done by allowing specific details to be leaked Apr 16 04:26:34 i c Apr 16 04:26:39 luke-jr: Apple is one prime example of that, but Microsoft does the same, BMW, and NASA, to name a few Apr 16 04:28:02 luke-jr: usually it's in the form of going to one of the (trusted) employees, giving him a pre-approved list of information, a few untruths, and a few plausible things, and telling him "Why don't you go have lunch with your friend from " Apr 16 04:29:12 well not that strict maybe, I don't work for nasa Apr 16 04:29:17 but try to maintain that Apr 16 04:29:23 same goes for my nickname ... Apr 16 04:29:36 try to seperate that completely from my realname as much as possible Apr 16 04:29:45 seen security audits at our company Apr 16 04:29:58 where they start digging through facebook, linkedin, other social sites Apr 16 04:30:23 tracing how much information can we find based on dns records, ripe contacts, things which are on our website Apr 16 04:30:28 it's amazing actually Apr 16 04:30:45 Gh0sty: but to answer your question, no, I don't work for Nokia, I'm a security expert (or at least, used to until I resigned last month) specialised in PKI, payment and authentication systems, I'm moving back to Europe in a couple of weeks. Apr 16 04:30:46 they found pictures, names, even schools of the children of our CCO and stuff ... Apr 16 04:31:03 oh really :) Apr 16 04:31:12 security is one of my 'hobbies also' :P Apr 16 04:31:24 and actually then i'm not so far from your job ;) Apr 16 04:33:49 but anyway gtg Apr 16 04:33:56 get outta bed and do some work Apr 16 04:34:40 be back later maybe from work but due to the amount of workload currently (doing a followup of 5 projects and 30 ongoing things and that does not include daily operations ...) Apr 16 04:35:08 I doubt that I will have much time to get on irc during the day :) Apr 16 04:35:46 rather this evening if i'm not on a terrace (its actually quite nice weather here the last week ... sunny but not too warm, i like it!) Apr 16 04:36:56 luke-jr: The way it works is that a senior exec will come in and say, "We need to release this specific information. John, do you have a trusted friend at a major outlet? If so, call him/her and have a conversation. Idly mention this information and suggest that if it were published, that would be nice. No e-mails!" Apr 16 04:37:18 luke-jr: http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/how_apple_does_controlled_leaks/ Apr 16 05:07:54 EHLO all Apr 16 05:13:42 HELO RST38h Apr 16 05:13:53 ehlo all Apr 16 05:23:31 * RST38h still getting Facebook invites from unknown people. WTF? Is it some advertising scam from Facebook? Apr 16 05:26:36 RST38h: nope, facebook scrapes email accounts, so if you were on an email chain once, they have your email address and can "send you an invite" Apr 16 05:28:07 I predict that the more people use facebook, the more those who don't want to use facebook will receive invite emails (once your email is attached to a facebook account I suspect you don't get those emails anymore), eventually generating more spam from facebook than spam itself Apr 16 05:29:06 RST38h: remember that cute girl you gave your email address to? She sent you a few chains, with you and all her buddies (and coincidentally, all the emails of all the guys who tried to pick her up like you) in the "TO" header. Apr 16 05:29:39 * RST38h has not given addresses to any cute girls Apr 16 05:29:50 I tend to reply: "So, out of all the guys who gave this bitch your email address, how many got some tang?" Apr 16 05:30:03 But, you are saying it is Facebook itself spamming me from the names of imaginary friends? Apr 16 05:30:03 I tend to be removed from the list pretty quickly Apr 16 05:30:26 yup, but it's doing it on their behalf, they are asking facebook to do it Apr 16 05:30:36 Why would they? Apr 16 05:30:40 to spam me more? Apr 16 05:30:46 not you specifically Apr 16 05:30:56 they just give their gmail account username and password to facebook Apr 16 05:31:04 and say "INVITE/ADD ALL MY CONTACTS" Apr 16 05:31:12 * RST38h is not seeing how this works Apr 16 05:31:14 Ah... Apr 16 05:31:21 Now I see Apr 16 05:31:30 you can prevent fb from sedning any emails Apr 16 05:31:38 No, they don't respect it. Apr 16 05:31:40 it's not very difficult if you browse the settings Apr 16 05:31:46 yes they do Apr 16 05:31:53 morning Apr 16 05:31:57 * RST38h has no Facebook account, hence no setting to browse Apr 16 05:32:03 morning Apr 16 05:32:03 moorning Stskeeps Apr 16 05:32:03 fb is simply not generating emails if you have forbidden it Apr 16 05:32:19 Surfa: but for that you need to have an account with them Apr 16 05:32:44 hey there Apr 16 05:32:57 Surfa: all the mailing lists keep getting facebook invites, even though a few people have clicked on the "I don't want to receive facebook emails anymore" Apr 16 05:33:05 Corsac: there's no 2.6.32/.33 on TByet is there? Apr 16 05:33:10 ... Apr 16 05:33:12 Surfa: they do it on a per-language base Apr 16 05:33:30 Stskeeps: they're working on it Apr 16 05:33:40 Surfa: if you say "no thank you" to the french facebook, english facebook will still send you spam Apr 16 05:33:45 etc, etc Apr 16 05:34:05 actually I lunched with gregoire tuesday :) Apr 16 05:34:12 and how many language variants are your friends using? Apr 16 05:34:22 100? Apr 16 05:34:27 but -pm branch isn't really stable yet afaiui Apr 16 05:34:29 Surfa: does it matter? They shouldn't be spamming me ffs Apr 16 05:34:37 whine whine Apr 16 05:34:46 hope it makes you feel much better Apr 16 05:34:51 Surfa: in case of a mailing list, that can be quite a lot. There's chinese people, russian, english, french, dutch, german, etc Apr 16 05:35:09 clicking twice instead of once is so huge difference that it must be worth complaining Apr 16 05:36:14 Stop trolling in favour of facebook, thanks Apr 16 05:36:38 crashanddie: are you silencing people opposing your views again? Apr 16 05:36:49 Fight! Fight! Apr 16 05:36:51 sorry Apr 16 05:36:55 * RST38h gets some popcorn Apr 16 05:37:00 oy, that command didn't work Apr 16 05:37:02 ah, there it is Apr 16 05:37:04 sorry, lag Apr 16 05:37:12 you -really- have a problem, don't you? :P Apr 16 05:37:16 yeah Apr 16 05:37:17 * Stskeeps goes do work Apr 16 05:37:26 X-Fade: you ought to remove me from the operator list, really Apr 16 05:37:48 * slonopotamus needs coffee Apr 16 05:37:54 i think you can be a good op, just wondering about some of your actions Apr 16 05:37:55 :P Apr 16 05:37:55 \o/ how constructive this is again Apr 16 05:38:09 how surprising that crashanddie is the one Apr 16 05:38:24 I am The One? Apr 16 05:38:33 wooohoooo \o/ Apr 16 05:38:36 Who would be interested in having glutter-box2d packaged for the n900? Apr 16 05:38:37 The Chosen One? Apr 16 05:38:44 slonopotamus: nope, just The One Apr 16 05:38:45 dmj726_n900: what is it's purpose Apr 16 05:38:46 ? Apr 16 05:38:54 its Apr 16 05:39:24 true, true Apr 16 05:39:28 * Stskeeps needs coffee Apr 16 05:39:48 "stop trolling in favor of facebook" please.. what kind of comment is that? how about "stop trolling against the facebook" ? Apr 16 05:39:51 it is clutter (a graphics library) tied to the box-2d physics engine. Apr 16 05:39:58 Surfa: just don't say people whine when they are stating an obvious issue, it's all I'm asking. It may not be a problem to you, but please understand it can be an issue to others Apr 16 05:40:05 you need to be objective Apr 16 05:40:33 well, email costs money, believe it or not Apr 16 05:40:50 and just because one service is popular for a couple of years means that everyone should get the noise Apr 16 05:41:25 My professional email is riddled with facebook spam, continuously, I'm getting an average of 5-10 facebook emais *a day* Apr 16 05:41:44 And yes, I've clicked quite a few times, they just don't respect my wishes Apr 16 05:41:45 well, you are a popular guy :P Apr 16 05:41:56 Stskeeps: nha, I just gave my business card to the wrong people :P Apr 16 05:42:03 crashanddie: that is what procmail is for Apr 16 05:42:18 RST38h: I don't control my corporate email Apr 16 05:42:27 money? ok, how much money do you pay per received email, compared to case if you didn't receive them? Apr 16 05:42:29 crashanddie: you direct all email from facebook.com to as many facebook corpse addresses as you can find Apr 16 05:42:53 corpse addresse? Apr 16 05:42:56 that's morbid :P Apr 16 05:43:03 crashanddie: corporates => corpses Apr 16 05:43:12 haahaa, just like you didn't understand the corpse word Apr 16 05:43:22 a handy abbreviation, (C)Peter Watts I suppose Apr 16 05:43:34 Surfa: no, it's satire Apr 16 05:43:52 satire is fun when you're not overusing it Apr 16 05:44:11 I ported clutter-box2d but I'm debating wether to package it and submit to extras-devel. Apr 16 05:44:18 Surfa: when I'm abroad, roaming? Roughly .2 gbp _per email_. And the time it takes me? Seconds, but multiply that by the whole workforce across the globe, and you get wasted money. Apr 16 05:45:07 http://vimeo.com/2899944 Apr 16 05:45:24 Surfa: anyway, now you're really becoming a troll, picking on absolutely everything I say, so, first warning before you get a 24h ban, understood? Apr 16 05:45:36 that's not quite the formula you can use for count the price of an email Apr 16 05:45:57 if you wish to yell at me, sure, but please do it in PM Apr 16 05:46:01 thanks Apr 16 05:46:06 Surfa, it's still annoying and costs actual money? Apr 16 05:46:22 Just on principle alone it would annoy me. Apr 16 05:46:35 crashanddie, just just a way to show you how your behavior appears many other people.. our last discussion was just as productive Apr 16 05:46:37 * RST38h throws some popcorn at Surfa, suggestively Apr 16 05:47:00 but ok, hope you got the point so we can stop this stupid game Apr 16 05:47:08 Surfa: You should troll a wider audience rather than simply provoke crashanddie Apr 16 05:47:34 crashanddie, but honestly, how many emails have you declined and how many do you still receive? Apr 16 05:47:37 Surfa: Tell us what you think of Apple products or something Apr 16 05:47:42 hm. if i wanted to output to a log file while keeping something outputting to the term would it be command &> output.log Apr 16 05:47:45 ? Apr 16 05:48:10 crashanddie, fb itself doesn't even have that many language variants so i still find it pretty difficult to believe that it would be remarkable amount of emails Apr 16 05:48:15 Stskeeps: ^ Apr 16 05:48:37 what? Apr 16 05:49:04 RST38h, it was discussed earlier.. what do you want to know? :) Apr 16 05:49:13 Surfa: Ah, anything Apr 16 05:49:21 Surfa: Everything, even Apr 16 05:49:47 And then you can move on to overclocking and how eager you are to try PR1.2 Apr 16 05:49:51 they are ok for some things and missing something.. i'll prefer win7 for desktops and any other phone types Apr 16 05:50:30 overclocking is waste of time and pr1.2 is well, who cares, it comes when it's ready Apr 16 05:50:37 next? :) Apr 16 05:51:29 Surfa <== not being a good sport Apr 16 05:52:14 Ok, try something political, palestinians, gay rights, world conspiracy, I dunno... Apr 16 05:52:46 hi room Apr 16 05:52:52 whats the discussion :) Apr 16 05:53:07 trolls Apr 16 05:53:07 Thank you for your mail. We have planned some updates and improvements for the OVI Maps Application in N900 with the next upcoming release of maemo5. Ovi Maps on Nokia N900 will support maps and route search functionality, but does not include voice-guided navigation. Apr 16 05:53:08 Best regards, Apr 16 05:53:16 Are vhrist... Apr 16 05:53:34 TigerTael: time to buy sygic Apr 16 05:53:43 Time to become disgruntled. ;/ Apr 16 05:53:44 Poor N900 lost all networking overnight =( Apr 16 05:53:51 Stskeeps, Sygic doesn't work in my country. Apr 16 05:53:56 So, why would I buy that? Apr 16 05:54:01 ...I'm also seeing if people are interested in clutter-box2d. Apr 16 05:54:06 RST38h, politics is quite difficult to talk as we probably lice in different countries, palestinians are too far away that i would care, gays are ok as long as they don't harass me.. how long do you want to continue? Apr 16 05:54:33 i don't like monologs, give some input to get a discussion Apr 16 05:54:50 As it stands, I have no solution for my N900. ;/ Apr 16 05:54:55 TigerTael: what country, btw? Apr 16 05:54:56 more provocative your input is more provocative i can get Apr 16 05:55:00 Stskeeps, South Africa Apr 16 05:55:03 No, no. definitely not a good sport Apr 16 05:56:45 RST38h, you already got that if you want to get me angry you need to try something else :P Apr 16 05:56:45 and to be honest, it's pretty impossible in the irc Apr 16 05:56:56 i don't really care that much :) Apr 16 05:57:16 the noise in here is tremendous! Apr 16 05:57:58 * RST38h needs to go to work Apr 16 05:58:44 Stskeeps: who's doing game stuff around here? Apr 16 05:58:55 dmj726_n900: not sure, i'm more on OS side Apr 16 05:59:05 ok. Apr 16 05:59:45 looks like a useful thing for that kind of stuff. Apr 16 06:00:26 Noticed a lot of packages are stuck in devel Apr 16 06:01:00 about 700 actually. Apr 16 06:01:12 TigerTael: you have to buy sygic! You need to help a poor company to survive in this cruel and competitive world! Apr 16 06:01:35 TigerTael: show that you have good faith, buy the software, even if it doesn't work in your company, and if enough people do it, they will add support for your country! Apr 16 06:01:46 crashanddie, bah, I don't believe that. ;/ Apr 16 06:01:56 oh woe is Mecorp? Apr 16 06:01:58 TigerTael: that, or they may just stop supporting any country in the world, considering that people buy it even if it doesn't work. Apr 16 06:02:15 crashanddie, it wouldn't affect me anyways, so why don't you go and buy 5 copies... Apr 16 06:02:26 That should help them. Apr 16 06:02:33 TigerTael: I buy a copy every day! Apr 16 06:02:41 :D Apr 16 06:02:50 It's like my newspaper really Apr 16 06:02:54 I buy it everytime I use it Apr 16 06:03:02 That's pretty good eh. ;] Apr 16 06:03:08 So one in the morning, and one in the evening, and a special one on Sunday Apr 16 06:03:29 Man, it's a good thing software companies don't work that way Apr 16 06:04:15 Simone Leggio Apr 16 06:04:15 P.S. May I ask from where you have obtained my contact information? Apr 16 06:04:17 LOL Apr 16 06:04:51 I only saw that part now. Apr 16 06:05:00 TigerTael: probably slightly worried of getting attacked by hordes of unsatisfied t.m.o users Apr 16 06:05:03 :P Apr 16 06:06:09 Sounds like it! Apr 16 06:07:39 This blows man... Google won't enable turn-by-turn navigation here because of licensing issues (maps and hardware works already), Nokia N900 I can't use turn-by-turn because the software doesn't support it. ;/ Apr 16 06:07:54 I did have a solution on Android though, NDrive... Apr 16 06:08:43 TigerTael: lemme guess, Simone.Leggio@nokia.com ? Apr 16 06:09:43 This guy is careful, the only easily obtainable source of his email address in internet is two scientific papers. Apr 16 06:10:37 crashanddie, exactly. :D Apr 16 06:10:41 hm Apr 16 06:10:46 anybody here use nget? Apr 16 06:11:25 " Results 1 - 10 of about 8,830 for Simone.Leggio@nokia.com." Apr 16 06:11:58 TigerTael: only two first results contain the email Apr 16 06:12:19 Try quoting it. Apr 16 06:12:42 3 results... BUT... Apr 16 06:12:46 crashanddie proved my point. Apr 16 06:12:52 name.surname@nokia.com Apr 16 06:12:53 Yeah :) Apr 16 06:13:07 Non-security through lack of obscurity :) Apr 16 06:13:31 then again, it would fail if it was "deathrow1978@nokia.com" Apr 16 06:13:37 hahahaha Apr 16 06:14:16 Well I guess I'm just going to give up hope on a native app for turn-by-turn from Nokia. Apr 16 06:14:28 I could consider making my own basing it on Nokia maps if they allow me to. ;/ Apr 16 06:14:51 But that sounds like a lot of heart-ache. Apr 16 06:14:53 Or my corporate number: 1198626053216@company.com Apr 16 06:15:04 crashanddie, drone1198626053216 Apr 16 06:15:14 hey, you have the same code as me? Apr 16 06:15:15 Wow Apr 16 06:15:35 they should start using UUIDs for email. Apr 16 06:15:37 That'd be pretty sweet, but horrible to remember the actual email address. Apr 16 06:15:42 (btw, 1 for male, 1986 for year of birth, 2605 for day and month, 32 for country, and 16 for region) Apr 16 06:16:22 How thoughtful. Apr 16 06:16:49 though 16 may also be an incremental number based on how many registrants in one da Apr 16 06:16:55 day Apr 16 06:17:43 In other news, I'm eager for MeeGo. :3 Apr 16 06:17:48 yo wazd! Apr 16 06:17:57 Which I'm sure you've heard a bazillion times before. Apr 16 06:17:59 TigerTael: you can download it and install it! GO GO GO Apr 16 06:18:06 yay yay yay. ;/ Apr 16 06:18:35 I actually need my phone to be able to make and receive calls. Apr 16 06:19:05 meh, who needs such rudimentary tools Apr 16 06:19:28 When I was your age, we threw stones at each other as a communication device Apr 16 06:19:54 Though long distance usually meant at the other side of the street Apr 16 06:20:06 and local meant same room Apr 16 06:20:20 How old are you now? Apr 16 06:20:27 1986? Apr 16 06:20:34 24? Apr 16 06:20:51 yes, they don't take the - in the corporate drone number Apr 16 06:21:04 but really, the first watch I had said "BC" on it Apr 16 06:21:10 Nice. Apr 16 06:21:21 then some day, we didn't just have to change the hour, we had to start counting backwards! Apr 16 06:21:29 AD? Who's he? Apr 16 06:24:06 TigerTael: how old are you, for the record? Apr 16 06:24:48 Quid pro quo Apr 16 06:25:13 In this context that doesn't mean anything, mate Apr 16 06:25:49 In the spirit of openness, I'm 27. Apr 16 06:26:17 TigerTael: yeah, well see, I have *never* been that old! Apr 16 06:26:25 That's what I was thinking. Apr 16 06:26:31 So I am right, it was an infinite amount of time ago! Apr 16 06:26:49 Assuming that time is linear. Apr 16 06:27:18 stop with your blasphemy Apr 16 06:27:32 Chuck Norris has decided time was linear, so it is Apr 16 06:27:45 For his Chuckness has counted to infinity, twice. Apr 16 06:48:54 if Chuck would be a teacher, he would know the question for the answer 42. Apr 16 07:00:27 Anss|: he doesn't need to be a teacher, he knows the question Apr 16 07:08:13 Bloody hell, flying from Brisbane to London is expensive Apr 16 07:08:19 And it's going to be a looooong trip. Apr 16 07:08:24 and impossible atm? :P Apr 16 07:09:00 Brisbane -> Singapore -> London -> Perpignan. Full 34 hours worth of travel. Apr 16 07:09:23 Stskeeps: it's in two weeks, I reckon the dust will have settled Apr 16 07:10:12 you never know Apr 16 07:10:13 crashanddie: if the volcano keeps going, i wouldn't bet on it :P Apr 16 07:10:15 the last eruption lasted for 2 years :) Apr 16 07:10:36 Meh, we'll find a way around it Apr 16 07:10:48 Drop me off in italy, there's no smoke there, right? Apr 16 07:10:54 I'll drive from italy to france, np Apr 16 07:17:28 2 years, haha! Apr 16 07:18:03 adeus & Stskeeps: bastards Apr 16 07:18:06 what Apr 16 07:18:06 :P Apr 16 07:18:18 I don't want to be trapped here for two years Apr 16 07:18:21 cock Apr 16 07:18:26 in australia or in europe? Apr 16 07:18:26 :P Apr 16 07:18:30 AUS Apr 16 07:18:48 I don't mind being trapped in eu Apr 16 07:19:52 but AUS is terrible? Apr 16 07:21:45 awesome beach landing in the last episode of the pacific Apr 16 07:22:07 crashanddie, you could always go by boat... ;p Apr 16 07:22:13 those first 4 episodes kind of totally sucked Apr 16 07:22:44 Macer: STFU Apr 16 07:23:49 heh Apr 16 07:24:30 you must have seen the 2nd episode where all the americans were impregnating the aussies? Apr 16 07:24:53 STFU I said Apr 16 07:24:58 We only had the first episode here Apr 16 07:25:03 oooooh Apr 16 07:25:30 Where at the end they get on board the ship, and the cook goes "Everyone knows about gualdapanal back home, you guys are heroes" Apr 16 07:25:34 well... the americans win :-P Apr 16 07:25:41 in the end Apr 16 07:25:41 haha Apr 16 07:25:48 Macer: no, the americans didn't win Apr 16 07:25:56 Macer: nobody won in WW2 Apr 16 07:26:02 if you say so Apr 16 07:26:11 some may have lost more than others, but it definitely wasn't a victory Apr 16 07:26:15 i was a Marine.. we go by kill ratio Apr 16 07:26:26 well... i guess am.. but i've been out since 2007 Apr 16 07:26:32 :) Apr 16 07:27:08 Macer: did you do fun stuff? Apr 16 07:27:12 Macer: when did you join? Apr 16 07:27:25 i thought the soviets won ww2 Apr 16 07:27:35 got hitler and stuff Apr 16 07:27:38 i joined in 02 and left for boot camp in 03 Apr 16 07:27:53 so you didn't see any real war? Fail Apr 16 07:28:05 and yes. got to do plenty of "fun" stuff Apr 16 07:28:56 uhm Apr 16 07:28:57 mmmkay Apr 16 07:28:57 petteri: yeah but we ot to drop abombs :) Apr 16 07:29:22 Bllaaaaargh Apr 16 07:29:49 petteri: the war in Europe was officially over when Soviets, US and British troups met in Germany Apr 16 07:30:07 petteri: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference Apr 16 07:34:21 Morning, all Apr 16 07:34:27 * RST38h moos Apr 16 07:34:42 Another night tonight in Stockholm. And it's started raining Apr 16 07:34:49 Though if you really want to get anal, WWII only ended in 1990 Apr 16 07:34:57 Jaffa: nice toxic ash rain? Apr 16 07:34:59 Jaffa: Dont hate on Stockholm ;) Apr 16 07:35:12 Jaffa: like it wouldn't be raining in Rugby ;) Apr 16 07:35:13 frals: Stockholm's great. Whether the last few days has been fantastic. Apr 16 07:35:14 So, who's going to have MeeGo on their Nexus One first? Apr 16 07:35:21 GAN900: you? Apr 16 07:35:24 ... at least we had good weather the last few days Apr 16 07:35:29 could do without the rain today :P Apr 16 07:35:32 frals: Yeah. Apr 16 07:35:50 frals: Whereabouts are you in Stockholm; and can you recommend anywhere for the 6 of us to go on a Friday night? Apr 16 07:36:05 Jaffa: 6 of you? What are you guys doign? Apr 16 07:36:08 GAN: You, if you start hacking now Apr 16 07:36:26 Jaffa: im in the northern suburbs (Täby)... depends what you are looking for really Apr 16 07:36:56 crashanddie: Implementing our product at a client. First week of ~4,000 day project proper. Apr 16 07:37:08 and whereabouts you are, I assume smack down the middle somewhere? Apr 16 07:37:18 wtf Apr 16 07:37:27 cant open my theme manager on the n900 anymore Apr 16 07:37:29 wierd Apr 16 07:37:44 frals: Office is on Stora Essingen. We're now in a hotel in Alvik (but were more in the centre on Kungsholmen) Apr 16 07:38:39 weird Apr 16 07:38:50 i had no idea wierd is actually spellt weird Apr 16 07:39:19 if you just want a 'regular' pub, Bishop Arms or Monks is pretty nice (Bishop Arms is just around the corner from the central station) Apr 16 07:40:34 crap gotta run to the bus Apr 16 07:40:50 goodluck Apr 16 07:41:57 morning Apr 16 07:42:06 hi Apr 16 07:43:34 hm. cuda sure does warm up this video card Apr 16 07:44:03 allies won WW2 Apr 16 07:44:24 petteri: ^ Apr 16 07:44:27 crashanddie: ^ Apr 16 07:44:31 haha Apr 16 07:45:36 wasn't china an ally? Apr 16 07:45:37 :) Apr 16 07:45:43 later on Apr 16 07:46:19 but in 1939-1940 there were only 3 countries taking part in a war Apr 16 07:46:20 they were always fighting the japanese tho Apr 16 07:46:28 in europe Apr 16 07:46:31 china was at war with japan. japan was at war with USA, USA was an allies Apr 16 07:46:46 truman was trying to drop the bombs before russia joined the pacific war Apr 16 07:46:47 and china vs japan was non related at the time Apr 16 07:47:03 well. i know the japanese were absolutely horrible to the chinese Apr 16 07:47:07 worse than hitler with the jews Apr 16 07:47:15 it was only 1942-43 when it became world war Apr 16 07:47:34 everyone knows USSR won it. Apr 16 07:48:07 not really Apr 16 07:48:09 anyone ever had the problem on n900 where you cant open the theme manager :F Apr 16 07:48:51 ussr signed ribentrop-molotov pact before war Apr 16 07:49:07 thresh: i doubt russia would have won if hitler wasn't fighting on two fronts Apr 16 07:49:09 which they did pretty much in hope that war will not reach them Apr 16 07:49:13 hitler's biggest mistake :) Apr 16 07:49:29 not only that but he was so hard pressed to take over england Apr 16 07:49:31 well, 1st - resistance was much bigger than they expected Apr 16 07:49:42 and wasn't expecint such harsh resistance Apr 16 07:49:47 haha yeah Apr 16 07:49:50 2nd - enigma Apr 16 07:49:52 On the other hand, the USSR could probably not have won without equipment from the USA Apr 16 07:50:04 england probably didn't look like someone who would go all hard core ultimate defense like that Apr 16 07:50:07 ( nobody knew that enigma was cracked for another 20 years ) Apr 16 07:50:14 not to mention they had radar :) i'm sure that helped Apr 16 07:50:30 well, it was only 50% england Apr 16 07:50:52 england seriously dug in... i can't believe they lasted as long as they did Apr 16 07:51:07 a lot of "english" army/navy/air force was foreign Apr 16 07:51:14 Macer: we did won at kill count: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_War_II_Casualties2.svg Apr 16 07:52:11 marmoute: er... that's death count Apr 16 07:52:13 not kill count Apr 16 07:52:31 and i said kill ratio ;) Apr 16 07:52:41 Marines measure victory by a kill ratio Apr 16 07:53:25 Macer: and then you drink the blood of you opponent ? Apr 16 07:53:35 i think ww2 in europe... the kill ratio was 1:13 in favor of ze germans :) Apr 16 07:53:51 to russia Apr 16 07:53:55 yeah, they wiped small country Apr 16 07:53:58 Ah hello Macer Apr 16 07:54:10 so for every 1 german killed... they killed 13.. that is a good kill ratio Apr 16 07:54:24 Did not help them at the end though. Apr 16 07:54:24 RST38h: hey ;) been a while Apr 16 07:54:30 RST38h: no.. sure didn't heh Apr 16 07:54:44 Macer: well, they were killing civilians Apr 16 07:55:15 hi Apr 16 07:55:34 is there actually any good navigation software for the n900 available? Apr 16 07:55:38 Macer: Actually, according to Wiki, you are away off Apr 16 07:56:25 mikki-kun: sygic Apr 16 07:56:26 Macer: military losses: Germany: 5533000, USSR: 88000000 to 107000000 Apr 16 07:56:28 they didn't have a 1:13 kill ratio against the russians? Apr 16 07:56:38 Macer: At most 1:2 Apr 16 07:56:47 jacekowski: is there turn by turn for that? Apr 16 07:56:52 RST38h: seems little bit to high Apr 16 07:56:56 RST38h: 5533000 on eastern front ? Apr 16 07:56:56 uhm Apr 16 07:56:57 mikki-kun: yes Apr 16 07:57:04 RST38h: that's way to high Apr 16 07:57:11 Macer: Which is logical given that both sides had similarly specced arms and neither side used WMDs Apr 16 07:57:28 RST38h: russia population was about 200m 100 years ago Apr 16 07:57:32 jacekowski: thanks :) Apr 16 07:57:33 RST38h: that is against russia alone? Apr 16 07:57:40 Macer: Yes Apr 16 07:57:45 RST38h: that would mean that half country was killed Apr 16 07:57:46 Macer: And no civilians Apr 16 07:57:49 hm Apr 16 07:57:54 RST38h: you have too much zero in your russia figure Apr 16 07:58:00 jacekowski: I typed an extra 0, do not be such a wikipedian Apr 16 07:58:11 Macer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Human_losses_by_country Apr 16 07:58:51 that extra zero matters Apr 16 07:59:16 haha Apr 16 07:59:19 mhm Apr 16 07:59:24 airports still closed Apr 16 08:00:18 jacekowski: was sygic free? Apr 16 08:00:20 wtf Apr 16 08:00:25 40 million for brazil? Apr 16 08:00:32 mexico was in ww2? :) Apr 16 08:00:35 mikki-kun: from torrents Apr 16 08:00:45 Macer: that's why it was ww2 Apr 16 08:00:46 hm... any free alternative? Apr 16 08:00:50 mikki-kun: no Apr 16 08:00:54 oh... wait.. wrong column Apr 16 08:00:56 haha.. i was about to say Apr 16 08:01:20 Macer: all commonwealth countries were in a war Apr 16 08:01:32 hm ;/ let's see what nokia is then doing out of ovi maps... Apr 16 08:01:49 mikki-kun: nothing Apr 16 08:01:53 mikki-kun: no turn by turn Apr 16 08:01:59 RST38h: er Apr 16 08:02:05 Ovi Maps sucks donkeys' balls. Apr 16 08:02:30 that doesn't separate it by country... german military deaths are lumped together for the entire war and at 4 million Apr 16 08:02:33 well, i won't give up in a way... still having small hopes Apr 16 08:02:52 mikki-kun: get sygic Apr 16 08:02:56 The poland military/civilian death ratio is impressive. But givenit's army hold only two 2 days before collapsing it's easily explainable. Apr 16 08:02:56 Thank you for your mail. We have planned some updates and improvements for the OVI Maps Application in N900 with the next upcoming release of maemo5. Ovi Maps on Nokia N900 will support maps and route search functionality, but does not include voice-guided navigation. Apr 16 08:02:57 Best regards, Apr 16 08:03:41 TigerTael: Love, Google Apr 16 08:03:46 Love, Nokia. Apr 16 08:03:51 :) Apr 16 08:04:06 TigerTael: everybody knows google runs the world Apr 16 08:04:15 Google ftl. ;/ Apr 16 08:04:30 yeah Apr 16 08:04:37 i tried my best to ditch google Apr 16 08:04:39 well, gotta sort that out with myself in a way... didn't want to turn to torrents Apr 16 08:04:47 it's like the blob.. it just keeps getting bigger Apr 16 08:05:07 mikki-kun: buy it from sygic then Apr 16 08:05:24 Macer, the thing is, other Nokia phones in my country support voice-guided navigation... Apr 16 08:05:31 Only the N900 doesn't. ;/ Apr 16 08:05:40 TigerTael: Tell us something news. Apr 16 08:05:41 TigerTael: my n95 did but you had to pay extra Apr 16 08:05:44 my G1 did as well Apr 16 08:05:48 does.. i still have it Apr 16 08:05:51 let's see what the price is Apr 16 08:05:52 'cause lack of voice navigation in n900 is not news Apr 16 08:05:52 Macer, you don't have to pay extra now... Apr 16 08:06:00 RST38h, obviously. Apr 16 08:06:04 TigerTael: because google is forcing everybody to make it free ;) Apr 16 08:06:13 Macer, which is great! Apr 16 08:06:25 ohhh, not my region avail for the n900? bad Apr 16 08:06:31 TigerTael: until garmin goes bankrupt and nokia loses 50/share Apr 16 08:06:34 :) Apr 16 08:06:48 Then maybe they will take their thumbs out of their arses? Apr 16 08:06:57 TigerTael: of course not Apr 16 08:07:00 they will be bought by google Apr 16 08:07:31 Linux ftw. Apr 16 08:07:32 ö.ö 60€ ?! Apr 16 08:07:40 i paid for the phone already enough Apr 16 08:07:46 imo Apr 16 08:08:08 so how is maemo5 working out so far? Apr 16 08:08:18 Works quite well. Apr 16 08:08:21 i've heard a lot of rumors that it's rather unstable but i can't go off rumor Apr 16 08:08:32 I've never had a reboot on my phone. Apr 16 08:08:40 don't really know what people might consider unstable Apr 16 08:08:41 Never had an app crash... Apr 16 08:08:45 TigerTael: lots of apps crashing? Apr 16 08:08:45 ah Apr 16 08:08:52 well... guess that's odd then Apr 16 08:09:11 i had some apps crashing... Apr 16 08:09:12 My phone is rock solid. Apr 16 08:09:21 but well, used many from the devel Apr 16 08:09:31 was trying different apps Apr 16 08:09:37 Yeah, I don't generally take apps from devel. Apr 16 08:09:51 hm Apr 16 08:09:55 i think i'll buy one tomorrow then Apr 16 08:10:00 expected that to happen, so after it got really slow and whatever i flashed it and have only selected apps on it Apr 16 08:10:02 Macer, N900? Apr 16 08:10:06 yes Apr 16 08:10:12 and it's really fast Apr 16 08:10:13 For what reason? Apr 16 08:10:16 i was about to get one when it first came out but i check fired Apr 16 08:10:18 What phone do you have now? Apr 16 08:10:20 TigerTael: i loved my n810 ;) Apr 16 08:10:24 aha! Apr 16 08:10:27 i still have my G1 and n95 Apr 16 08:10:28 Then you should like the N900. Apr 16 08:10:39 still has most of the same apps? Apr 16 08:10:43 like a linux term etc? Apr 16 08:10:50 and the integrated jabber app? :) Apr 16 08:10:56 telepathy? Apr 16 08:10:56 ctrl+shift+x goes straight to terminal. Apr 16 08:11:13 Dunno about telepathy... Apr 16 08:11:15 hurr Apr 16 08:12:06 But I use the pidgin plugin for conversations for every other service that the phone doesn't natively support. Apr 16 08:12:20 TigerTael: well. i don't use gtalk.. i use my zimbra server for jabber stuff Apr 16 08:12:22 Macer: integrated jabber Apr 16 08:12:24 which can talk to gtalk contacts ;) Apr 16 08:12:28 jacekowski: ah ok awesome Apr 16 08:12:29 zimbra jabber sucks Apr 16 08:12:36 jacekowski: it works well enough :-P Apr 16 08:12:36 heh Apr 16 08:12:42 well, s2s has problems Apr 16 08:12:51 it doesn't read SRV records correctly Apr 16 08:12:53 jacekowski: hm. mine seems to work with gtalk fine Apr 16 08:13:05 which is probably the only one i care about Apr 16 08:13:15 i haven't tried facebook contacts but i don't use facebook Apr 16 08:13:24 that's another thing that i have learned to avoid :) Apr 16 08:13:24 i run my own ejabberd2 using zimbra ldap to authenticate Apr 16 08:13:35 jacekowski: really? that sounds pretty interesting Apr 16 08:13:43 with jorge + log_sql for archiving Apr 16 08:13:44 works a lot better? Apr 16 08:13:49 yes Apr 16 08:13:53 how do you get the zimbra web client to use it? Apr 16 08:14:01 never tried that Apr 16 08:14:04 heh Apr 16 08:14:09 well.. that part is important ;) Apr 16 08:14:15 that's why i didn't swap off the internal one Apr 16 08:14:16 but there is a lot of jabber clients Apr 16 08:14:26 that can work Apr 16 08:14:32 jacekowski: the clients for android all suck ;) Apr 16 08:14:40 but then again.. i think android kind of sucks in general Apr 16 08:14:48 android sucks Apr 16 08:14:50 especially with that self killing thing android does when it runs low on ram Apr 16 08:14:57 lol Apr 16 08:14:57 where it just picks and chooses what to kill Apr 16 08:15:08 Macer: that's linux thing Apr 16 08:15:09 which is usually a jabber client Apr 16 08:15:13 and maemo does the same Apr 16 08:15:17 it's called OOM kill Apr 16 08:15:29 http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer Apr 16 08:15:30 i never had a problem with my n810 doing it Apr 16 08:15:32 :) Apr 16 08:15:41 in android.. if i run a browser.. everything dies Apr 16 08:15:51 well, apps for maemo are more efficient Apr 16 08:16:04 dalvik creates huge memory overhead Apr 16 08:16:20 as long as telepathy has jabber support Apr 16 08:16:27 my main concern is an integrated jabber client Apr 16 08:16:55 i would rather run integrated included apps for things .. i'm not a big fan of a 3rd party app unless it is required Apr 16 08:16:55 http://gallery.jacekowski.org/main.php?g2_itemId=42 Apr 16 08:17:12 well, there are plugins for im in n900 Apr 16 08:17:25 so it integrates nicely with it Apr 16 08:17:44 i figured jabber support was included Apr 16 08:17:48 it was in the n810 ;) Apr 16 08:17:55 * noobmonk3y overclocked................. his coffee this morning, 1 extra sugar ;) Apr 16 08:18:17 noobmonk3y: your coffee might break because of that Apr 16 08:19:22 * noobmonk3y was prepared and has a second mug awaiting just in case...... in the world of science, a coffee is never safe!! Apr 16 08:19:31 noobmonk3y: remember: if you find that it does not have you functioning normally, don't try to RMA it Apr 16 08:19:43 korhojoa: loL!!! Apr 16 08:20:34 that reminds me of my laptop Apr 16 08:20:36 "I'm sorry, I can't handle all this sugar..." "you put that sugar in there yourself, sir." "oh." Apr 16 08:20:37 i have to RMA it Apr 16 08:20:50 hehehe! :D Apr 16 08:20:56 jacekowski: you should not put sugar in your laptop Apr 16 08:21:09 what's the default password for root on n900? Apr 16 08:21:18 uh, is there any? Apr 16 08:21:24 i thought it was set when you install ssh Apr 16 08:22:03 nah, nothing asked me for it Apr 16 08:22:07 rootme or smth isnt it Apr 16 08:22:29 morning Apr 16 08:23:04 while testing moblin on my netbook ... i'm discovering yum ... hum ... Apr 16 08:23:05 mornin X-Fade Apr 16 08:23:09 strange managment Apr 16 08:23:17 Khertan_Home: it's supposed to be zypper instead i think Apr 16 08:23:20 strange management? Apr 16 08:23:21 wow n97 costs more than an n900? Apr 16 08:23:22 amazing Apr 16 08:23:29 Macer: that isn't right Apr 16 08:23:38 well, nokia underpriced n900 little bit Apr 16 08:23:44 no wait Apr 16 08:23:45 under??? Apr 16 08:23:47 $50 less Apr 16 08:23:49 :) Apr 16 08:23:52 my bad Apr 16 08:23:58 it's still underpriced Apr 16 08:24:00 n97 still run symbian doesn't it? Apr 16 08:24:04 Macer: yes Apr 16 08:24:09 the 600e i spent begs to differ ;) Apr 16 08:24:35 iphone costs more Apr 16 08:24:49 i thought iphones were 400 Apr 16 08:25:14 unlocked iphones are 800+ on amazon Apr 16 08:25:15 heh Apr 16 08:26:43 WCDMA (UMTS) / GSM 850/900/1800/1900 Apr 16 08:26:45 wtf Apr 16 08:26:57 i thought tmob was 1700 Apr 16 08:32:48 http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Phones_with_Carrier_Plan/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=A3076016 Apr 16 08:32:57 is that right? those tech specs don't look right. it has a freq of 1900 Apr 16 08:34:50 that's a list of gsm frequencies Apr 16 08:34:56 not of wcdma frequencies Apr 16 08:35:44 and yes, N900 pricepoint was about 200euro below N97 at release :) Apr 16 08:36:20 ah ok Apr 16 08:37:09 and those frequencies are correct for gsm :) Apr 16 08:40:55 http://www.geekologie.com/2010/04/15/no-flash.jpg Apr 16 08:43:51 btw the widget examples are not to be downloaded Apr 16 08:43:57 they apparently mess with the system a bit Apr 16 08:44:18 i was unable to open theme manager, after uninstalling the widget examples it worked perfectly, and somewhat quicker response time aswel Apr 16 08:44:34 wonder what the heck they coders of those examples have been up to :p Apr 16 08:46:56 YEAHHH most useful app for N900 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50089 Apr 16 08:47:35 openssh? Apr 16 08:47:45 oh, even better! :-) Apr 16 08:48:08 or keeping track of how many drinks a girl have had Apr 16 08:48:08 :P Apr 16 08:48:17 yeahh Apr 16 08:48:34 "her alcohol level is now optimal for flirting" Apr 16 08:48:37 lol Apr 16 08:49:23 Stskeeps, you're possibly more creepy than me Apr 16 08:49:54 Stskeeps: exactly. Apr 16 08:49:56 i could have said much worse things. Apr 16 08:50:47 have anybody made app package with bash? Apr 16 08:51:11 Stskeeps, yeah sure, it's just recognizing the stalker value in it Apr 16 08:51:13 :) Apr 16 08:51:39 ShadowJK: i'm as surprised as anyone that i'm actually married without the slightest bit of stalkering in it :P Apr 16 08:51:51 haha Apr 16 08:52:13 heh Apr 16 08:52:31 lol Apr 16 08:53:00 Stskeeps, admit it, your computer fixes had built-in timebombs so she'd come back for more tech support Apr 16 08:53:35 ShadowJK: no, those were not placed yet at that point ;) Apr 16 08:54:00 * Stskeeps yawns and looks at bootmenu Apr 16 08:54:28 Stskeeps: i am sorry. i didn't stick arond long before.. did mer finally get the gl stuff going? Apr 16 08:54:42 you said something about meego or whatever it's called Apr 16 08:56:19 Macer: not in a usable fashion, but that wasn't reall mer's fault Apr 16 08:56:23 and meego is the successor of mer Apr 16 08:57:33 possibly the more interesting question would be if it's even possible to get it going in a usable fashion ;-) Apr 16 08:58:21 haha Apr 16 08:58:42 well. didn't you guys get it going on x86? Apr 16 08:58:48 sure, gl part works Apr 16 08:58:55 just not on n810? Apr 16 08:58:59 but there's a big stretch from that to a mobile device Apr 16 08:59:48 The hardware is now final at shipment. Software is still in beta, probably till the end of 2009. Apr 16 08:59:55 (From AI's touchbook site) Apr 16 08:59:58 heh Apr 16 09:00:00 i wonder if they still tip over Apr 16 09:00:07 :) wow what a let down that thing was Apr 16 09:00:13 Stskeeps: try out an ipad? Apr 16 09:00:22 isn't it just an oversized iphone without the 3G modem? Apr 16 09:00:26 Macer: afaik Apr 16 09:00:33 Macer: i don't like devices i can't hack Apr 16 09:00:38 Terribly low res too. Apr 16 09:00:39 they're that locked down? Apr 16 09:00:46 X-Fade: really? what is the res on it? Apr 16 09:00:48 I would expect 3000x2000 on that size. Apr 16 09:00:54 it's rather large to have a low res Apr 16 09:00:59 1024x768 or so. Apr 16 09:01:09 oh. that's not too bad for a "pad" Apr 16 09:01:15 Macer: i like devices like the joggler, http://blip.tv/file/3491206?filename=Stskeeps-Mer017testing11OnAJogglerWith3dAcceleration457.flv Apr 16 09:01:22 i can't stand anything that uses on-screen touch keyboads Apr 16 09:01:27 Not 260 dpi as we are used to ;) Apr 16 09:01:27 Macer: (there's some flaws due to 16 vs 24 bpp. fixing today) Apr 16 09:01:38 some ipads have 3g modem Apr 16 09:02:15 Some Pads are for hygeine Apr 16 09:02:29 ShadowJK: i thought they were going to release the 3G ipads later Apr 16 09:02:36 like the iphone: now with compass! Apr 16 09:02:54 well they still haven't released ipad anywhere except US Apr 16 09:03:17 and people ate them up Apr 16 09:03:31 i don't know what it is about apple products where people just eat them up Apr 16 09:03:42 i mean is their marketing just that good? Apr 16 09:03:45 Yes Apr 16 09:03:50 iSheep numbers are great in america. Apr 16 09:03:52 i honestly never saw a single ipad commercial Apr 16 09:04:01 how ddi they even know they were coming out? :) Apr 16 09:04:09 then again. i hardly ever watch actual tv Apr 16 09:04:17 it's the interwebs Apr 16 09:05:16 ah well Apr 16 09:05:32 amazing that at one point people were thinking apple was going to go bankrupt Apr 16 09:05:34 or get bought out Apr 16 09:05:37 Isn't it a little dangerous to be eating iPads? Apr 16 09:05:38 :) Apr 16 09:05:48 :P Apr 16 09:05:49 i think the ipod and imac saved apple Apr 16 09:06:23 well.. ipod. Apr 16 09:06:45 no. the imac helped Apr 16 09:07:00 i suppose. Apr 16 09:07:02 it was the "cheap one" with colors Apr 16 09:07:07 * ShadowJK watched tv last christmas Apr 16 09:07:07 i think it was the colors that did it Apr 16 09:07:14 uh, last last.. Apr 16 09:07:36 imac really shocked me back then Apr 16 09:07:46 or to be more precise people shocked me Apr 16 09:08:24 the same old "Quadra" put into transparent plastic bin Apr 16 09:08:44 and people really DID believe it is "revolutionary new computer" Apr 16 09:08:55 well, things haven't changed then :) Apr 16 09:09:13 Arkenoi: it used a ppc cpu :) Apr 16 09:09:17 i could give it that much Apr 16 09:09:18 despite the fact there were numerous weird custom computer case designs and market mostly ignored them Apr 16 09:09:23 i miss ppc Apr 16 09:09:23 macer haha Apr 16 09:09:48 ppc macs were available several YEARS before iMac Apr 16 09:09:53 Arkenoi: it was the apple symbol Apr 16 09:10:09 it is the same Quadra packet differently Apr 16 09:10:12 people can relate to apples in most non 3rd world countries Apr 16 09:10:34 they got rid of the rainbow apple look Apr 16 09:10:49 I walked into an apple store once Apr 16 09:10:55 * Arkenoi loved old rainbow logo more Apr 16 09:11:11 yeah! now they is hating on the gays! Apr 16 09:11:20 hahaha Apr 16 09:11:20 or.. Apr 16 09:11:42 I said "I heard Mac OS is like unix now, where's the xterm, does it have a compiler? how do I make stuff?" and the people in the store had no idea what I was talking about ;( Apr 16 09:11:47 they probably got sued by the gays claiming trademark on the rainbow Apr 16 09:11:56 I think that was 2004 or 2005 Apr 16 09:12:04 used to be all about the gays, now they're all about the smug. Apr 16 09:12:10 ShadowJK: it isn't that bad Apr 16 09:12:12 ok.. sorry about that :) Apr 16 09:12:18 ShadowJK, LOL Apr 16 09:12:20 osx that is Apr 16 09:12:26 Actually the gay never went out Apr 16 09:12:29 Now it's about being smug *and* gay. Apr 16 09:12:35 i personally can't stand osx Apr 16 09:12:40 But, they removed the rainbow logo!!!! Apr 16 09:12:40 but it's not bad when you get rid of the gui Apr 16 09:12:57 ironically enough i'm running kde on a macbook now Apr 16 09:12:58 hahaha Apr 16 09:13:02 LOL Apr 16 09:13:02 do not use the word gay like that. Apr 16 09:13:13 * Arkenoi thinks that rainbows and black leather are NOT gay and does not care gay community claims rights on that things ;-) Apr 16 09:13:14 the correct term is iSexual. Apr 16 09:13:40 err... no. Apr 16 09:13:48 Arkenoi: don't mess with the gays man.. i mean personally i could care less if a man is gay... but... they're dangerous Apr 16 09:13:51 :) Apr 16 09:14:00 LOL Apr 16 09:14:12 don't let the treated nails and bleached hair fool you.. they are like a mafia Apr 16 09:14:23 well, i guess you may feel quite safe (if you watch your behind ;-) Apr 16 09:14:32 wtf? Apr 16 09:14:34 and hey. the more gay men there are the less competition for women in the world so that's a + Apr 16 09:14:52 :) but osx totally sucks Apr 16 09:15:05 i'd think otherwise MAYBE if they actually put kernel level zfs in it Apr 16 09:15:11 not "totally" Apr 16 09:15:12 I hear it's pretty good. Oh well. wouldn't touch the thing with a six foot pole Apr 16 09:15:12 like they were supposed to Apr 16 09:15:17 it sucks a bit less than widnows Apr 16 09:15:23 i hate the gui Apr 16 09:15:25 and hfs+ Apr 16 09:15:29 hfs+ most of all Apr 16 09:15:46 but using it headless as a server would be nice to do Apr 16 09:16:09 * Arkenoi hates damn ___OSX folders in archives Apr 16 09:16:16 I started disliking mac's when I was working tech support, and there was 99% pc and a couple of douches who just had to have macs Apr 16 09:16:20 yup Apr 16 09:16:21 ok ... moblin isn't for me ... no tomboy sync Apr 16 09:16:23 Arkenoi: there is no way to stop that Apr 16 09:16:35 not the ._DS_Store ones.. but the other ones Apr 16 09:16:43 Khertan, it doesn't sound like something permanent... Apr 16 09:16:44 that you can't stop from popping up without 3rd party software Apr 16 09:17:09 anyone know what i should do? When i roam around in my school and walk from one wlan area to the other, it apparently "roams" but after roaming i cannot use the connection Apr 16 09:17:18 * noobmonk3y has 1 mac and 7,800 pc's at work to deal with, and damn that mac gives me grief Apr 16 09:17:18 i have to manually disconnect and connect for it to work Apr 16 09:17:29 it's not phone problem Apr 16 09:17:32 it's AP problem Apr 16 09:17:36 why macos archivers just do not have "don't pack os-specific shit" option default? Apr 16 09:17:44 most of the doesn't update mac tables correctly Apr 16 09:17:45 simple solution noobmonk3y, ditch the mac Apr 16 09:17:47 jacekowski, you sure? Apr 16 09:17:52 by force or violence, if need be. Apr 16 09:17:59 yeah, i've spent some time fuc*** around with wifi roaming Apr 16 09:18:02 and it's just hopeless Apr 16 09:18:05 ;) - i've tried coffee spillage, and the darn thing survived Apr 16 09:18:10 but it works with my laptop :) Apr 16 09:18:28 because laptops advertise itself Apr 16 09:18:30 but yeah we have the same problem at work, 95% of the "i cant publish my website, help" are tossers using iweb that only works properly with apple's own hosting service Apr 16 09:18:31 and arp's get updated Apr 16 09:18:39 but that's AP job not STA Apr 16 09:18:44 ok.. Apr 16 09:19:00 so theres no workaround then Apr 16 09:19:02 great Apr 16 09:19:07 there is workaround Apr 16 09:19:12 nid0: ahhahah Apr 16 09:19:24 what about entourage? :) Apr 16 09:19:27 i cant tell the it administration to fix it.. They most likely even cant :p Apr 16 09:19:32 ever have the fun with those types yet? Apr 16 09:19:38 but you should tell them to fix it Apr 16 09:19:48 actually mac mail does give us a lot of problems as well Apr 16 09:19:50 besides, school with public wifi/ Apr 16 09:19:52 ? Apr 16 09:19:55 where are you Apr 16 09:19:58 i want to live there Apr 16 09:19:59 as the damn thing defaults to port 587 for smtp Apr 16 09:20:06 whoever's braindead idea that was. Apr 16 09:20:15 that's submission port Apr 16 09:20:20 and it's correct behaviour Apr 16 09:20:36 no, its authenticated submission port, and is incorrect behavior for nonauthenticated client smtp. Apr 16 09:20:37 25 is supposed to be only s2s communication Apr 16 09:20:41 jacekowski: when I was at school there was free wifi all over the technical area Apr 16 09:21:19 here it's ussualy that you can get internet from school equipment ( wpa2 ) Apr 16 09:21:32 and pretty much everything is filtered Apr 16 09:22:35 where is "here" again? Apr 16 09:22:40 damn... the flash-player is to slow for http://www.dothedaft.com/idaft/ Apr 16 09:50:57 hi Apr 16 09:51:22 X-Fade: how many people worked on ->squeeze move? Apr 16 09:52:04 hrw: about 6 Apr 16 09:52:41 X-Fade: and everybody from maemo community? no one @nokia? Apr 16 09:52:47 We've actually been testing for a while now. Apr 16 09:52:59 hrw: Also people from the Nokia sdk team. Apr 16 09:53:24 thx Apr 16 09:53:41 hrw: squeeze devkit finally uses sane versions, not deprecated ;) Apr 16 09:53:56 X-Fade: big thanks to all of you for solving this problem Apr 16 09:56:59 squeeze? Apr 16 09:57:04 hrw: At least from now on bringing in recent debian packages will be a lot easier too. Apr 16 09:57:11 that's debian release name and what else? Apr 16 09:57:20 jacekowski: debian 'testing' Apr 16 09:57:21 jacekowski: character from toy story ? Apr 16 09:57:40 i'm not getting relation between debian and maemo Apr 16 09:57:41 jacekowski: all Debian releases are named by characters from toy story movies Apr 16 09:58:01 jacekowski: maemo uses Debian as base but most of packages were altered Apr 16 09:58:04 is socat replacement for netcat? Apr 16 09:58:06 often in ugly way Apr 16 09:58:17 supertramp: no Apr 16 09:58:39 jacekowski: I can't find netcat package ... then Apr 16 09:58:42 :( Apr 16 09:58:46 damn Apr 16 09:58:51 try searching for nc Apr 16 09:59:10 jacekowski: there were rumours that when Debian will use all characters from Toy Story 1/2 Pixar will make Toy Story 3 Apr 16 09:59:10 I think socat extends netcat Apr 16 09:59:33 is there something the socat cannot comparing to nc? Apr 16 09:59:39 socat can be used as netcat Apr 16 09:59:44 cannot do Apr 16 10:00:00 well, it's like comparing mhm Apr 16 10:00:09 tv to radio Apr 16 10:00:43 socat purpose is completly different Apr 16 10:00:53 e? Apr 16 10:01:14 jacekowski: anyway according to Debian description socat can be used as netcat replacement Apr 16 10:01:26 well, i'm using both Apr 16 10:01:32 and it's completly different program Apr 16 10:02:18 http://maemocentral.com/2010/04/15/live-wallpapers-come-to-the-n900/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+MaemoCentral+(Maemo+Central) Apr 16 10:02:19 cool Apr 16 10:02:27 wonder how much battery thats gonna drain lol Apr 16 10:03:17 not much Apr 16 10:03:22 less you sit there staring at it Apr 16 10:03:57 Zeddy: not a lot Apr 16 10:04:12 Zeddy: i doubt it will be moving when you are not looking at it Apr 16 10:04:21 btw. google e17 Apr 16 10:06:47 I wonder if it can do live streaming Apr 16 10:07:36 oh Apr 16 10:08:51 hmm ... btw .. is there a way for my n900 to find/access my windows workgroup shared folders/files ? Apr 16 10:09:13 like in ubuntu the mambo/jambo/samba or whatever it was Apr 16 10:09:30 always forget the name of the thingy Apr 16 10:09:34 think there is cifs module Apr 16 10:10:01 cifs ? Apr 16 10:10:05 * Arkenoi does not need live wallpapers, but i'd like to have different themes for daylight and for nighttime Apr 16 10:10:38 Arkenoi, live wallpapers can be used for that sort of thing Apr 16 10:10:43 they dont have to be busy active Apr 16 10:10:56 NuD1t7: it should be able to do what you want iirc Apr 16 10:11:02 it can be as simple as just changing its own wallpaper every now and then Apr 16 10:11:15 frals ok thx i'll try it out Apr 16 10:11:36 i want live wp with a mailman delivering my email Apr 16 10:11:39 But live wallpapers can do a lot more if you want ;) Apr 16 10:12:13 The wallpaper can actually interact with the icons and widgets on the desktop. Apr 16 10:12:36 godzilla live wallpaper Apr 16 10:12:38 eating icons Apr 16 10:12:39 :P Apr 16 10:12:53 hehe Apr 16 10:13:55 need to have a look at that when i get fmms in extras :) Apr 16 10:14:36 X-Fade: the problem with live wallpaper is it reminds me of Active Desktop in Windows... mainly because that *is* live wallpaper. And I can't help but recall seeing one person's desktop set to the hampsterdance page (hey, it was years ago ;-) Apr 16 10:14:48 (with the audio, of course) Apr 16 10:14:55 ccooke: hehe :) Apr 16 10:15:11 lol ccooke Apr 16 10:15:19 is there a package to block flash that isn't also a general ad-blocker? Apr 16 10:15:22 todays annoyance: not being able to copypaste from "about product" :P Apr 16 10:16:22 BCMM: i saw something on tmo about flashblocker, sounds like it might do what you want Apr 16 10:16:22 (i try to only block very annoying ads to avoid cutting off a site's revenue and exert a selective pressure) Apr 16 10:17:14 only thing i've found is also an adblocker Apr 16 10:26:33 X-Fade: xsnow! Apr 16 10:26:58 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xsnow Apr 16 10:27:11 * achipa wonders whether Debian started to be late again, losing clamav due to EOL from latest stable is not funny Apr 16 10:35:42 xsnow with accelerometer support!! or make your n900 one of those 'NY at winter' things Apr 16 10:37:40 achipa: lenny was released ~1year ago, you cannot released every year, for many reasons Apr 16 10:38:44 frals: i agree tis annoying - what are you trying to copy? Apr 16 10:39:02 agi: they sort of have lenny-updates for exactly this purpose Apr 16 10:39:55 lcuk: thinking about arranging a london and a Brum meetup in the next few months, would you be up for either? Apr 16 10:40:15 noobmonk3y, sure thing Apr 16 10:40:23 noobmonk3y: was gonna copy version info ;( Apr 16 10:40:26 i need to sort out finances tho Apr 16 10:40:35 achipa: nope, the have volatile for that Apr 16 10:40:45 :( hmmm i should probably make healthcheck values copyable ;) Apr 16 10:40:54 lcuk: i can buy you some tap water ;) Apr 16 10:41:05 achipa: lenny-updates is for secutiry and important fixes, no new versions Apr 16 10:41:06 is it cooled? Apr 16 10:41:13 agi: volatile schmolatile, the point is they're late :) Apr 16 10:41:16 noobmonk3y: had to restort to using my brain to memorise it.. :) Apr 16 10:41:17 well, i may be able to strecth to one ice cube ;) Apr 16 10:41:22 awwwwwww Apr 16 10:41:34 frals: dont waste too much brain space... hard to come by ;) Apr 16 10:41:53 noobmonk3y: exactly my point! :D Apr 16 10:41:55 agi: also, technically it IS a security fix Apr 16 10:42:03 i remembered something this morning... but the problem was i remembered something else just after and forgot the first thing..... ;) - i need overclocking Apr 16 10:42:33 thankfully my warranty has long since expired ;) lol Apr 16 10:42:44 you need bigger cache as accesstime to your memory sounds awful ;) Apr 16 10:43:01 hahaha Apr 16 10:43:28 (just completed assignment on cache memories :P) Apr 16 10:43:46 frals.... it doesnt matter, i can send mms's my life is complete......... the irony of me having an n900 is that.... initially i said i needed a new phone, and my first thought was, it needs mms .... lol... as i had never used it before, not because i actually needed it ;) Apr 16 10:43:48 memory leak Apr 16 10:44:04 achipa: not IMHO. is a new release, it's not fixing a security bug. And it's more of a uptream caprice than anything Apr 16 10:44:45 lol noobmonk3y Apr 16 10:45:36 * lcuk lights a big cigar Apr 16 10:45:50 * noobmonk3y lights a small cigarette and feels a bit insecure Apr 16 10:46:05 * nid0 puffs on a fat joint Apr 16 10:46:36 agi: yes, well, grey area, whether inability to provide updates is (not) a security bug. It's just that the 'fix' never got backported. As for caprice, well, I guess so, but doesn't help neither clamav nor Debian to ship outdated stuff and create a false sense of security Apr 16 10:46:38 * frals throws the smokers out.. no smoking during workhours. tis the law Apr 16 10:46:49 * nid0 works in his own house, what law? Apr 16 10:47:09 * noobmonk3y looks at frals... no smoking on work property during work time, nothing stopping me standing out on the street ;) Apr 16 10:47:22 nid0: - you are above the law, remember that ;) Apr 16 10:47:28 quite right :D Apr 16 10:47:42 lcuk, on the other hand is a little sideways of the law ;) Apr 16 10:47:54 and frals, is the law... lol Apr 16 10:48:23 * achipa always thought people who held beer in one hand (inside the pub) and a cigarette in the other (outside the pub) looked funny Apr 16 10:48:34 I really like the sharing framework on the n900. Although what I really need is missing, the concept itself is nice. Apr 16 10:48:44 with all the backgrounding Apr 16 10:48:49 noobmonk3y, nid0 might be in a permissive country Apr 16 10:48:50 lol achipa Apr 16 10:48:59 << norfolk Apr 16 10:49:10 this is really nice. Apr 16 10:49:12 lol - you need a passport to get out of norfolk i hear ;) Apr 16 10:49:25 theres a fence all the way round it :( Apr 16 10:49:25 very similar to wales and coventry ;) hehe Apr 16 10:49:38 keeping the riff-raff out. Apr 16 10:49:47 lol nido thats what we want you to think ;) Apr 16 10:50:47 We're permissive here. Friends coming here ofter wonder how 'only' 50% of the population is smoking, especially considering the price of cigarettes Apr 16 10:50:51 allthough with leicesters ring road.... also similar there, miss one turning and you are on one big ass roundabout Apr 16 10:51:14 achipa: how much for a pack of ciggies there? Apr 16 10:51:43 £6.20+ per pack here :( well if you smoke a half decent brand........ Apr 16 10:53:20 blah, freeciv promoted to -testing finally, but broken Apr 16 10:53:35 noobmonk3y: we start at 0.6-0.7 euros per pack for local brands Apr 16 10:53:35 i love when it takes an hour and 10mins instead of 40min to get home... >< Apr 16 10:53:53 are we dirt cheap or what ? Apr 16 10:54:34 noobmonk3y: Marlboro and similar are about 1.3 euros per pack... Apr 16 10:56:45 wow, i need to come over there! Apr 16 10:57:07 achipa: what country were you in again? Apr 16 10:57:10 will give you $2 euros a pack to post em, hehehe Apr 16 10:57:12 how much dyou reckon you can persuade customs is "personal use" when you come back? Apr 16 10:57:23 Stskeeps: Serbia Apr 16 10:57:55 achipa: ah Apr 16 10:58:08 Stskeeps: that explains it, eh ? ;) Apr 16 10:58:22 achipa: eastern european countries are typically cheap in that area :P Apr 16 10:59:27 ditto for booze :) Apr 16 10:59:44 * Stskeeps is fairly happy to live in poland in that regard Apr 16 10:59:44 :P Apr 16 11:00:01 smoke stinks Apr 16 11:00:31 Shapeshifter: cigarettes stink. *tobacco* smells wonderful. (And I have never been a smoker ;-) Apr 16 11:00:32 nid0: I know you can take 2 packs into Hungary, but not sure if that's a local law or EU-wide Apr 16 11:00:44 ccooke: agreed Apr 16 11:01:13 eu-wide is "personal consumption limit" Apr 16 11:01:16 (I never understood how smoking could have started... until I met a pipe smoker) Apr 16 11:01:19 heh thatll be local, in the uk you can generally get away with several bags full, as long as you're careful to tell them its for personal use Apr 16 11:01:30 its when you start taking truckloads in theyll get suspicious Apr 16 11:01:30 brought 4000*2 back from spain last year Apr 16 11:01:37 (with the gf) Apr 16 11:02:28 but yeah Uk, it depends what minute of what day and what the weather is to how they react Apr 16 11:02:36 noobmonk3y: whoa, I just hope you don't plan to use all that up yourself :) Apr 16 11:02:43 * noobmonk3y already has ;) Apr 16 11:03:01 only 200 packs of ciggies lol Apr 16 11:03:03 each Apr 16 11:03:21 http://gizmodo.com/tag/diy-processor/ Apr 16 11:03:22 mmm Apr 16 11:03:25 oups Apr 16 11:03:26 right off for lunchies Apr 16 11:03:34 noobmonk3y: ah... thought 4000 *packs* Apr 16 11:03:38 we need another testing marathon. Apr 16 11:03:41 lol!!! Apr 16 11:03:51 nid0: we need maemo branded cigarettes lol Apr 16 11:03:59 that would be a killer concentration, eh ? :) Apr 16 11:04:16 :D Apr 16 11:04:17 stop smoking Apr 16 11:04:23 Zeddy: Start smoking....... Apr 16 11:04:32 i stopped 7 months ago Apr 16 11:04:47 so did i :( - but only for about 45 minutes, was horrible Apr 16 11:04:48 its a dying hobby Apr 16 11:04:52 haha Apr 16 11:06:49 nid0: we need a fixed autobuilder, THEN we can really start testing again Apr 16 11:07:08 (technically that has already happened, let's just hope there is no fallout :) ) Apr 16 11:07:09 achipa: We have a fixed autobuilder now ;) Apr 16 11:07:30 well, thats debatable. packages thatre bust havent been getting promoted out of devel in the first place Apr 16 11:07:43 all the stuff thats been sitting untested in -testing is working fine Apr 16 11:07:58 X-Fade: so how to send something for 1.2 and how for 1.1? Apr 16 11:08:00 except freeciv :< Apr 16 11:08:05 X-Fade: heh, just said that :) Apr 16 11:08:06 X-Fade, :) Apr 16 11:08:12 jacekowski, you dont Apr 16 11:08:15 jacekowski: you don't Apr 16 11:08:16 you submit to the builder Apr 16 11:08:17 :) Apr 16 11:08:17 and it knows Apr 16 11:08:44 jacekowski: when you use a PR1.2 feature it sets PR1.2 dependency. Apr 16 11:08:52 X-Fade, http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/12275295376 Apr 16 11:08:57 If you don't it will default to the lowest possible dependency. Apr 16 11:11:33 (Damn it, whenever I see the name "Meego", my brain starts playing this at me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocsOIYYedV8 ) Apr 16 11:15:19 * lcuk follows hrw from http://twitter.com/lcuk Apr 16 11:15:34 its follow friday! who else needs stalking/following Apr 16 11:16:04 * hrw|gone needs ipv6_available() informations Apr 16 11:16:15 and also need food so bb in few Apr 16 11:16:21 hrw, at fosdem there were folks talking about wanting ip6 Apr 16 11:16:30 some app here uses ipv6_available() and fails to link Apr 16 11:17:34 X-Fade: so now binary stuff is okay, but we're supposed to hund down users of bindings 'manually', right ? Apr 16 11:17:46 s/hund/hunt/ Apr 16 11:17:46 achipa meant: X-Fade: so now binary stuff is okay, but we're supposed to hunt down users of bindings 'manually', right ? Apr 16 11:18:27 Morning everyone Apr 16 11:18:34 morning MohammadAG Apr 16 11:18:39 and tekojo \o Apr 16 11:19:00 \o/ Apr 16 11:19:05 ( my joggler is almost delivered ) Apr 16 11:19:10 * MohammadAG is having a weird weird problem Apr 16 11:19:15 if i can get it out of dhl Apr 16 11:19:23 Says device storage is full Apr 16 11:20:21 (no it's not full lol) Apr 16 11:20:37 MohammadAG, pastebin df Apr 16 11:21:59 and pastebin mount ;-P Apr 16 11:22:43 http://pastebin.com/36C6wWGJ Apr 16 11:23:48 MohammadAG, you filled up /home Apr 16 11:23:49 DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/Wfdf6xeF Apr 16 11:23:50 /home looks pretty full Apr 16 11:24:03 * MohammadAG didn't check that Apr 16 11:24:37 it's prolly full of xchat logs :P Apr 16 11:25:17 Hmm all these people forgetting qmake as Build-Depends. Apr 16 11:26:12 I wonder how we can explain that better. And especially where. Apr 16 11:26:49 X-Fade, do people generally make their own debian packages with qt Apr 16 11:27:05 ie, should the qmake depend be something automatic from qt side Apr 16 11:27:11 lcuk: Yes, but they just do apt-get install qmake once. Apr 16 11:27:12 or is this for people who use pyqt Apr 16 11:27:15 wow, chromium's cache is about 80MBs Apr 16 11:27:16 So then they have qmake. Apr 16 11:27:29 yes, but what makes the package for them Apr 16 11:27:37 are qt people still hand building them Apr 16 11:27:42 or does qt itself generate that lot Apr 16 11:27:45 madde Apr 16 11:27:47 dpkg-buildpackage afaik Apr 16 11:27:56 * DocScrutinizer mooos and checks accesslist Apr 16 11:28:01 pypackager for pyQt Apr 16 11:28:15 qmake and make for Qt Apr 16 11:28:30 at least that's how facebrick works Apr 16 11:29:31 ~trout qmake Apr 16 11:29:32 * infobot slaps qmake around a bit with a large trout! Apr 16 11:31:21 did run_standalone.sh disappear? Apr 16 11:31:36 other than awk, is there a way to remove something from output? Apr 16 11:31:43 larsivi, it's - not _ Apr 16 11:31:49 run-standalone.sh Apr 16 11:33:20 lcuk: A lot of Qt apps might be being packaged by Qt Creater/MADDE Apr 16 11:33:49 MohammadAG: grep -v ? Apr 16 11:34:08 MohammadAG: eh, seems like bash broke somehow Apr 16 11:34:24 Jaffa, of course, i dont know how a package is actually defined in qt Apr 16 11:34:43 lcuk: me neither Apr 16 11:35:10 w00t_, noobmonk3y you both have qt apps from different angles, how do you go from code to a debian package and was it an automatic process Apr 16 11:35:17 or did you have to use the debian toolings Apr 16 11:36:24 http://tmp.uxix.de/Screenshot-20100416-131106.png Apr 16 11:36:28 * MohammadAG thanks DocScrutinizer Apr 16 11:36:37 Ctrl+Shift+O Apr 16 11:36:39 i should read some man-s Apr 16 11:36:48 is that meant as a joke? Apr 16 11:36:53 lcuk: myself and MohammadAG hacked up the Qt example packaging until it did (most of) my bidding Apr 16 11:37:20 lcuk, may I answer that? Apr 16 11:37:22 lcuk: what Jaffa says is pretty correct though, for simple apps, MADDE makes it a lot easier Apr 16 11:37:58 anyone can, its just to see whether anything in the toolchain needs to be added to ensure qmake is added as a build dependency Apr 16 11:38:11 lcuk, noobmonk3y uses pypackager Apr 16 11:38:14 based on X-Fade's observation Apr 16 11:38:18 no Apr 16 11:38:28 well, yes Apr 16 11:38:40 (I'm being decisive today, eh?) Apr 16 11:38:53 MohammadAG, im guessing pypackager doesnt need qmake because the python apps dont use it Apr 16 11:38:58 yup Apr 16 11:39:01 human Apr 16 11:39:09 w00t_, calls the qmake in rules Apr 16 11:39:25 :) Apr 16 11:39:28 can't get sdlquake works with russian keybd layout :( Apr 16 11:40:33 lcuk, nope, it only puts the .py (and the other code stuff) into a tar.gz with the normal .dsc and .changes files Apr 16 11:40:33 there isn't even a makefile Apr 16 11:40:33 ~ping Apr 16 11:40:34 ~pong Apr 16 11:41:06 i think i "fixed" that capslock issue in chrome Apr 16 11:41:06 yeah MohammadAG i know its very minimal with no boiler plate :) Apr 16 11:41:11 well, worked around it Apr 16 11:41:12 * lcuk likes that aspect of py Apr 16 11:41:17 a minute lag Apr 16 11:41:22 1* Apr 16 11:41:31 jacekowski, what was caps issue Apr 16 11:41:36 and does it also effect numeric entry Apr 16 11:41:50 MohammadAG: on N900? Apr 16 11:41:54 ie, you are bypassing hildon input method / gtk key routines Apr 16 11:42:06 because if so, every framework has had to do it Apr 16 11:42:09 lol lcuk Apr 16 11:42:18 meh, tracker's indexes got corrupt Apr 16 11:42:22 gtk qt liqbase sdl edje Apr 16 11:42:33 DocScrutinizer, me? yeah Apr 16 11:42:54 (oh and building python programs doesn't even need a PC) Apr 16 11:42:55 MohammadAG: so expect occasional lags Apr 16 11:43:10 DocScrutinizer, psm? Apr 16 11:43:24 eh? Apr 16 11:44:04 power saver Apr 16 11:44:23 yes, I guess it's to save power Apr 16 11:46:12 is your n900 getting slower over the uptime, too? Apr 16 11:47:00 never noticed on mine, but seems a commonly observed issue Apr 16 11:47:24 * lcuk looks puzzled Apr 16 11:47:35 anyone seen my shoe? Apr 16 11:47:48 I ate it Apr 16 11:47:53 was tasty Apr 16 11:48:10 mmmm toe cheese Apr 16 11:50:56 ~scramble lcuk Apr 16 11:50:57 luck Apr 16 11:51:47 or was it Apr 16 11:51:51 ~scramble luck Apr 16 11:51:53 lcuk Apr 16 11:52:26 * noobmonk3y is back from lunch Apr 16 11:52:28 what did i miss? Apr 16 11:52:48 PR1.6 Apr 16 11:53:02 ~curse tracker Apr 16 11:53:03 :))) Apr 16 11:53:03 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, tracker ! Apr 16 11:53:07 sweeeeeeeeeeeet Apr 16 11:53:34 ~overclock MohammadAG Apr 16 11:53:35 * infobot overclocks MohammadAG until MohammadAG burns out! Apr 16 11:55:09 LOL Apr 16 11:55:18 heh, nice way to spam lcuk Apr 16 11:55:56 * MohammadAG wonders who added the ~overclock Apr 16 11:55:58 re Apr 16 11:56:12 Hi ... I just bought a used N900. How can I reset it (full reset) . Thx Apr 16 11:56:13 ~factinfo overclock Apr 16 11:56:14 overclock -- it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008. Apr 16 11:56:21 write_erase: just reflash it Apr 16 11:56:37 ~listkeys overclock Apr 16 11:56:39 Factoid search of 'overclock' by key (3): overclock ;; cmd: overclock (.*?) ;; overclocking. Apr 16 11:56:47 ~literal overclock Apr 16 11:56:48 "overclock" is " I overclock in winter to keep dpkg's toes warm." Apr 16 11:56:54 hrw, flashing RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? will remove everything ? Apr 16 11:57:07 ~literal overclock xx Apr 16 11:57:07 yes Apr 16 11:57:08 * infobot overclocks xx until xx burns out! Apr 16 11:57:56 write - yup :D Apr 16 11:58:04 write_erase: yes Apr 16 11:58:07 ~Underclock DocScrutinizer Apr 16 11:58:16 lol ;) - i confuzzled infobot Apr 16 11:58:48 Ok .. Thx . I'm in France... is that "Global release" or "Middle East and North Africa release" ? not sure Apr 16 11:59:40 use 'global' Apr 16 11:59:48 lol!!! - http://lh3.ggpht.com/_sd4aOA0Ur-I/S0pCLseeaPI/AAAAAAAAJfg/6jg-YHKaec8/s1600-h/YRoqC-776238%5B5%5D.jpg Apr 16 11:59:55 fine . Thx Apr 16 11:59:57 ~flashing Apr 16 11:59:58 flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Apr 16 12:00:04 ~flasher Apr 16 12:00:05 [flasher] http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher Apr 16 12:00:21 i dont beleive infobot Apr 16 12:00:21 i'm sure there is another meaning for flasher Apr 16 12:00:32 ~Icecream Apr 16 12:00:33 well, icecream is the greatest food in the world, along with a distributed compiler, that distributes not only its compile work, but also the tools as a chrootable tar. Apr 16 12:01:13 ~tell noobmonk3y about /query Apr 16 12:01:30 ;D Apr 16 12:01:33 ~tell noobmonk3y about icecream Apr 16 12:01:35 ;) Apr 16 12:01:49 seems like fail on toast to me Apr 16 12:04:08 docscrutinizer wants you to know: i heard icecream is the greatest food in the world, along with a distributed compiler, that distributes not only its compile work, but also the tools as a chrootable tar. Apr 16 12:04:12 delayed infobot! Apr 16 12:04:16 lol Apr 16 12:05:45 "Hi, I have version string of my app. I deleted version from my server. I uploaded version string to the server. Logs show that version is . Is there anything wrong? Apr 16 12:05:58 "Yes, you're an idiot. Apr 16 12:07:01 blowjob and icecream in polish translate to same word Apr 16 12:08:16 DBA sees error ("Not enough file handles"). DBA goes to boss, and tells boss to increase handle count. Boss tells DBA to call support. Support goon: "You have an outdated version, I can overnight deliver a CD with the update" DBA: "That's not fast enough" Support goon: "I can fax it" DBA: "What about our FTP" Support goon: "Yes, I can fax it to your FTP, what is the number please?" Apr 16 12:08:22 full story at TDWTF Apr 16 12:09:15 oops, having decent contacts merge is WONTFIX for maemo :-/ Apr 16 12:09:31 and these people... have... JOBS Apr 16 12:12:11 pupnik: I can tell you of people in my company... Apr 16 12:12:20 This chick, part of "tech pubs" Apr 16 12:12:50 it's basically a department who's sole role is to go through technical documents that we deliver to customers, and ensure that they are up to the same standard Apr 16 12:13:07 i worked in a similar role Apr 16 12:13:22 this means spelling, grammar, Engrish, size of screenshots, fonts, text alignment, templates, the lot Apr 16 12:13:27 oh Apr 16 12:13:41 She has never been able to spell my name right Apr 16 12:14:09 I asked her to review a document for customer X Apr 16 12:14:44 She reviewed it, left it in a worse state than I did (I'm extremely anal about templates), botched half the template, and sent it to postmaster@customer.com Apr 16 12:15:01 WTF? Apr 16 12:15:21 nice one Apr 16 12:16:04 lol i love seeing russian web pages translated by google :) Apr 16 12:16:21 * Arkenoi thinks i never seen a company where postmaster mailbox actually gets read for 12 years at least Apr 16 12:17:11 ~scramble crashanddie Apr 16 12:17:12 cadndrshiae Apr 16 12:17:22 like that? :-P Apr 16 12:18:30 * DocScrutinizer sends cadndrshiae to postmaster@braindead.nul Apr 16 12:25:35 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/OS2007/ruby-maemo/nonne/ gives a 404 Apr 16 12:25:58 2007 == chinook? Apr 16 12:26:44 Are there tricks to sync my N900 with ovi contacts ? Apr 16 12:27:17 syncevolution might work Apr 16 12:27:22 ooh my bad, i landed on that 2007 page from google. While searching for maemo+ruby Apr 16 12:28:41 * noobmonk3y blinks Apr 16 12:30:37 Thx Apr 16 12:34:14 sup? Apr 16 12:34:37 * ZogG feels the breath of PR1.2 in his back Apr 16 12:34:52 has anyone faced the problem that mfe for m.google.com doesn't work anymore? Apr 16 12:35:17 ZogG: Lucky you. How? ;-) Apr 16 12:35:30 it doesn't seem to get a connection anymore Apr 16 12:35:34 Surfa: There are very few people for whom it works reliably. Use a free Nuevasync account as a proxy. Apr 16 12:35:38 independently on the access connectivity Apr 16 12:36:06 hmh, it worked very well for a month or two.. :) Apr 16 12:36:18 now it hasn't been working for two days at all Apr 16 12:36:48 * Arkenoi uses nuevasync. it sucks anyways. Apr 16 12:38:03 Jaffa i just feel it Apr 16 12:38:19 Surfa, sometime it s work sometimes it doesn't Apr 16 12:39:22 moo Arkenoi Apr 16 12:40:25 Khertan_Home, ok, so is it google or n900 related problem? Apr 16 12:40:32 http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/04/500x_noflashonipad_01.jpg Apr 16 12:40:42 epic :D Apr 16 12:41:43 Surfa, n900 Apr 16 12:42:09 moo Apr 16 12:43:25 noobmonk3y, does your screen still crackle? Apr 16 12:43:59 erm, good point, not in the last week or two Apr 16 12:44:04 looks like it really was temperature Apr 16 12:45:02 Khertan_Home, hmh, ok Apr 16 12:45:27 Surfa, this is the same when trying to send email Apr 16 12:45:33 sometimes it s works Apr 16 12:45:47 sometimes it s doesn't during 3, 4 or 5 days Apr 16 12:46:05 but ... at the same time ... i didn't got any problem with other device on the same account Apr 16 12:46:55 http://lh3.ggpht.com/_sd4aOA0Ur-I/S0pCLseeaPI/AAAAAAAAJfg/6jg-YHKaec8/s1600-h/YRoqC-776238%5B5%5D.jpg Apr 16 12:48:43 pretty goof Apr 16 12:48:44 d Apr 16 12:51:01 old Apr 16 12:51:41 http://500motivators.com/plog-content/thumbs/motivate/me/large/582-linux-windows-mac-choose-your-weapon.jpg Apr 16 12:51:44 that one is better Apr 16 12:52:16 and http://420.thrashbarg.net/linux_windows_mac_shawing_electric_razor_bowling_pin.jpg Apr 16 12:52:31 shawing =)))) fail Apr 16 12:53:10 who let a douchebag in the channel? Apr 16 12:53:23 where's the trollkicker? Apr 16 12:53:35 who needs flash? Apr 16 12:54:05 huh? who needs a kick? Apr 16 12:54:12 me, theres some nasty grime on the kitchen worktop Apr 16 12:54:16 me me me! Apr 16 12:54:18 :P Apr 16 12:54:33 you you you! Apr 16 12:54:35 flash is a disease, that needs to be cut out of the net Apr 16 12:54:40 I really could use the motivation to wash up after last night's curry Apr 16 12:54:41 thresh Wolfie hey, wht's wrong? Apr 16 12:54:59 ZogG: your flamboyant trolling Apr 16 12:55:01 so, what's up now? Apr 16 12:55:03 DocScrutinizer, they meant me Apr 16 12:55:14 Wolfie, you are boring Apr 16 12:55:28 and there is trolling to say others are trolling Apr 16 12:55:28 that might be, but it's also irrelevant Apr 16 12:55:57 just chill out and if you don't like something - just ignore - ok? Apr 16 12:56:14 ZogG: you pasting stupid links here Apr 16 12:56:32 if you read log - you'll understand Apr 16 12:56:37 it was responce Apr 16 12:56:41 ZogG seemed to answer nid0 Apr 16 12:56:56 i hate those guys who play srs Apr 16 12:56:56 and forgot to add his nick ;( Apr 16 12:57:04 but they don't understand what's going on Apr 16 12:57:10 just learn to talk on IRC Apr 16 12:57:27 so stop it now, gentlemen Apr 16 12:57:32 Hmm. There aren't really enough libs in the repositories to build sensible ruby n900 apps, are there? Apr 16 12:57:35 a non-issue Apr 16 12:57:41 DocScrutinizer, if you don't end up kicking anyone kick me, don't want that /cs op to go to waste :P Apr 16 12:57:53 All your base is belong to DocScrutinizer Apr 16 12:58:03 Except mine, because he can't see what I say Apr 16 12:58:06 you can kick me so MohammadAG will be relaxed =) Apr 16 12:58:14 aww Apr 16 12:58:23 So, I guess all my base is belong to crashanddie Apr 16 12:58:30 i had the cyberbullying authority's site open Apr 16 12:58:30 :P Apr 16 12:58:38 MohammadAG: lol Apr 16 12:58:47 Termana: nah, somebody convinced me I mustn't keep you on my ignore list Apr 16 12:58:51 hwy every one, is there a way to video chat on the N810 with Skype? Apr 16 12:58:57 i'm ready to be sacrificed for all good Apr 16 12:59:14 parim: no. Nor can anyone but skype themselves provide a means of doing so Apr 16 12:59:38 skype is going to be open source don't they Apr 16 12:59:42 * MohammadAG wonders how Fring pulled it off on S60 devices Apr 16 12:59:46 they announced it like months ago Apr 16 12:59:51 but nothing changed Apr 16 13:00:02 cooke: does video chat work with fring? Apr 16 13:00:05 MohammadAG, magic Apr 16 13:00:08 DocScrutinizer: Ah ok. Well, I'm sorry about the other day anyway, I didn't mean to be so personal and let my feelings of the topic get in the way of the discussion Apr 16 13:01:04 ZogG: what theyre working on is an open-sourced-ui client for *nix Apr 16 13:01:10 the protocol itself remains closed Apr 16 13:01:22 hmm, where are the contacts stored? Apr 16 13:01:22 MohammadAG: IIRC they did a deal with skype Apr 16 13:01:22 but is there api or something? Apr 16 13:01:41 parim: pass, never tried fring Apr 16 13:01:52 thanks ccooke Apr 16 13:02:06 cause you can make your client to use protocol and than you can get video or what ever for maemo Apr 16 13:02:29 i don't know what is fring Apr 16 13:02:34 i mean i saw the screenies Apr 16 13:02:39 never tried it Apr 16 13:02:49 it's useless for me - cause no friends use it Apr 16 13:02:56 or it can use other protocols? Apr 16 13:03:01 .osso-abook/db ... eeeejjkk BerkeleyDB! Apr 16 13:03:22 fring supports basically everything Apr 16 13:03:50 oh Apr 16 13:04:00 does maemo5 have it Apr 16 13:04:05 i think i saw it on ovi Apr 16 13:04:12 lamovi =) Apr 16 13:04:15 ZogG: fing supports SKype, MSN, gtalk, yahoo, icq, aim, sip, xmpp Apr 16 13:04:22 nid0: but what for fring can be used what is not in contacts already (when plugins installed) Apr 16 13:04:36 parim: I have those already without fring Apr 16 13:04:38 anyway pidign is enuf Apr 16 13:04:47 but I use only jabber/icq/skype Apr 16 13:04:49 hrw: for me nothing, I was just telling ZogG what it does. Apr 16 13:05:08 personally though ill switch immediately to any mobile msn client that finally brings multi location signin Apr 16 13:05:11 Termana: k, accepted Apr 16 13:05:23 i need videocalls on maemo and intagrated with contacts (with other protocols than phone also) so i wouldn't use other app Apr 16 13:05:27 (hmm. Maybe ruby daemons and python for the UI would work...) Apr 16 13:05:35 Hello i seemed to have messed up my repository config for my nokia n900. I tried adding maemo extras-devel repository manually via vim Apr 16 13:05:43 hrw: i was just answeing a ZogG`s question Apr 16 13:06:33 ZogG: if you want video calls then maemo is wrong choice Apr 16 13:06:38 any way for me to restore my repository settings? Apr 16 13:06:40 parasight, nid0 don't fight guys, i love you both same Apr 16 13:06:51 hrw, it's not that i need Apr 16 13:06:54 ZogG: maemo5 will rather never get video calls Apr 16 13:06:56 there is a difference Apr 16 13:06:58 i want Apr 16 13:07:10 i hardly used them on old phone btw Apr 16 13:07:32 but it would be nice to have camsex on maemo =) Apr 16 13:07:45 hrw, you can't be sure Apr 16 13:08:08 as well i think meego will be ported to n900 and maybe it would have it Apr 16 13:08:40 i heard somewhere that meego will be ported to the n900 towards the end of this year Apr 16 13:08:58 *looking* Apr 16 13:09:06 yes i read it Apr 16 13:09:11 but it's not like that Apr 16 13:09:17 ZogG: when meego will reach usable state on n900 I will use other phone Apr 16 13:09:24 the nokia's meego would be developed on n900 Apr 16 13:09:27 but it's only base Apr 16 13:09:38 not really full function os as i understand Apr 16 13:09:52 hrw i hope i wouldn't Apr 16 13:09:54 isnt there a dev release of meego for the n900? Apr 16 13:10:00 yes Apr 16 13:10:11 ZogG: will be developed but then will be released with successor of n900 Apr 16 13:10:13 just an xterm currently :) Apr 16 13:10:15 parim, if you want to have terminal and only terminal on phone Apr 16 13:10:21 but the base is here Apr 16 13:10:24 hrw that's what i said Apr 16 13:10:43 n900 + development releases = definitely happening. n900 + community-ported usable meego releases = probably. n900 + fully productised and nokia-supported meego release = maybe/maybe not Apr 16 13:11:02 nid0 maybe not or not =) Apr 16 13:12:01 So, I'm looking at the Qt 4.6 documentation, and for the QLineEdit there's mention of the placeholderText property, which is obviously a requirement of the UI guidelines. Apr 16 13:12:15 It says "This property was introduced in Qt 4.7" Apr 16 13:12:38 And low and behold, it's not in my dev libararies :( Apr 16 13:12:41 alterego, oh Apr 16 13:12:53 are you the one from altergeo.ru? Apr 16 13:13:01 ZogG: nope Apr 16 13:13:06 or something like that Apr 16 13:22:43 hey Apr 16 13:22:55 i have a directory on my n900 Apr 16 13:23:07 which is called Mac OS Apr 16 13:23:10 whats that? Apr 16 13:23:40 i think its for people that want to access their stuff on mac Apr 16 13:23:42 i had it too Apr 16 13:23:50 links to the different directories on the n900 Apr 16 13:24:01 videos, pictures and so on Apr 16 13:24:08 hö? Apr 16 13:24:14 do not understand it Apr 16 13:24:15 if your n900 is connected via usb Apr 16 13:24:16 thats crap which nokia left for you Apr 16 13:24:37 short story, dont delete it, it does no harm Apr 16 13:24:38 so its useless? Apr 16 13:24:51 its v. useful if you ever gonna plug it in in a mac Apr 16 13:25:01 i should not delete it? Apr 16 13:25:04 but i have no mac Apr 16 13:25:05 :-) Apr 16 13:26:47 BenjaminWilk delete mac =) Apr 16 13:27:01 sure? Apr 16 13:27:30 unless you have a good reason to remove it, id say leave it just in case Apr 16 13:27:44 its not like it takes up any significant amount of space Apr 16 13:27:56 yes Apr 16 13:27:58 ok Apr 16 13:28:12 Khertan_Home, sounds anyway weird, because it hasn't work for three days at all Apr 16 13:29:29 Surfa, most of the time ... i delete the account ... recreate it ... and it s works Apr 16 13:29:30 :) Apr 16 13:30:51 doesn't sound very useful Apr 16 13:30:53 :( Apr 16 13:37:33 yay net split Apr 16 13:37:36 yaya =) Apr 16 13:39:18 mmm.. can't register on maemo.org; already have account in talk and garage. Apr 16 13:39:45 * Khertan_Home don't find where to change his password on maemo.org Apr 16 13:39:46 :) Apr 16 13:40:18 those logins aren't accepted on https://maemo.org/community/ Apr 16 13:47:28 so just talked to some guy Apr 16 13:47:40 he is dev of some interesting program for phones and win Apr 16 13:47:46 it's like twit but geo Apr 16 13:48:02 that's fun Apr 16 13:48:11 key-press-event are sent correctly Apr 16 13:48:15 it's like you see everyone on map Apr 16 13:48:16 with correct character case Apr 16 13:48:22 you can talk to them and make friends Apr 16 13:48:25 but commit event is send incorrectly Apr 16 13:48:31 kinda social gps thing Apr 16 13:53:18 hildon is for some reason messing up letters Apr 16 13:53:29 insanely huge? Apr 16 13:54:16 sort of Apr 16 13:54:27 that happened once in the network dialog for me Apr 16 13:54:33 i mean when i press a key Apr 16 13:54:36 in text box Apr 16 13:54:43 it makes them uppercase Apr 16 13:54:59 and if i hold it for a while letters change to lowercase Apr 16 13:55:22 i can work around it because key events are correct Apr 16 13:55:32 but then i'll lose all nice hildon features Apr 16 13:56:15 Does anyone know what's happening with the repositories? I force-installed two of these "updateable" packages but I am not afraid that it might be a trojan (since there is a size mismatch). Is my fear justifiable? Apr 16 13:56:28 s/I am not afraid/I am now afraid/ Apr 16 13:57:08 probably due to caching proxy not been updated yet from the mass-rebuild earlier today Apr 16 13:57:31 but the versions of the packages are the same as the installed versions Apr 16 13:57:54 so why does it try to update them at all? Apr 16 13:57:58 priority issues? Apr 16 13:58:00 because some of these packages are for 1.2 and some are for 1.1 Apr 16 13:58:11 yeah no version diff as its been rebuilt to work for 1.1.1 even thou its built on 1.2 builder Apr 16 13:58:29 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-announce/2010-April/000052.html Apr 16 14:00:04 oh, I see Apr 16 14:00:11 thanks. Apr 16 14:20:10 the desktop widget player is bugged Apr 16 14:20:38 if i pause it, and then after lets say 10 hours make a call, the call ends and what happends? the player starts playing :p Apr 16 14:20:48 sucky programming i say Apr 16 14:21:16 interesting how /etc/operator_settings dictates that vodafone mms dns servers are 0.0.0.0 and 0.0.0.0 Apr 16 14:22:33 g_signal_connect(context_, "commit",G_CALLBACK(HandleCommitThunk), this); Apr 16 14:22:48 hmmm Apr 16 14:24:23 hey all Apr 16 14:24:32 is pr 1.2 out? Apr 16 14:24:45 No Apr 16 14:24:46 huh Apr 16 14:24:49 Next? Apr 16 14:25:07 What's the ETA? Apr 16 14:25:08 crappy version anyways Apr 16 14:25:14 nothing to wait for Apr 16 14:25:22 Zeddy: Video improvements? Apr 16 14:25:29 say what? Apr 16 14:25:40 whats wrong with the video ::p Apr 16 14:25:54 ...ok Apr 16 14:26:56 toresbe: 12 November Apr 16 14:27:17 pr1.2 out? Apr 16 14:27:23 Zeddy, pyside 0.3.0 Apr 16 14:27:28 so not so crappy Apr 16 14:27:37 at least for me :) Apr 16 14:27:48 and some mfe fix Apr 16 14:27:55 which will be welcome Apr 16 14:27:56 :) Apr 16 14:28:10 i might get my n900 (with PR1.2 pre-installed) before you get to download it ;) Apr 16 14:28:10 jacekowski, NO Apr 16 14:28:39 auenf, oh your estimated delivery date is 12 September 2010 ? Apr 16 14:28:45 hrw: You're kidding!? Apr 16 14:28:55 toresbe: why you think so? Apr 16 14:29:18 hrw: Wasn't it "any day now" in March? Apr 16 14:29:35 toresbe: no, it was 'next week' in february Apr 16 14:29:38 toresbe, yep but the year was missing Apr 16 14:29:38 :) Apr 16 14:30:06 toresbe: and as nokia does not give any release dates for maemo 12 November sounds good Apr 16 14:30:16 hrw: heh Apr 16 14:30:23 they could just tell the truth Apr 16 14:30:27 that there will be no 1.2 Apr 16 14:30:31 arggghggg!!! why is there no bsdbd-module for python in maemo? Apr 16 14:30:40 Is the provisioning problem with Exchange only on ME2003, or is it the same with ME2007? Apr 16 14:30:43 jacekowski: that's not the case... delays are common Apr 16 14:31:00 jacekowski: what for? now they have great situation Apr 16 14:31:01 toresbe: remember that they are working on meego now Apr 16 14:31:15 n900-dk: works fine here with 2007 Apr 16 14:31:27 jacekowski: remember that nokia is quite big company - they have enough people for two teams Apr 16 14:31:28 Treibholz: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9865 vote ;-) Apr 16 14:31:31 jacekowski: I'm open to that meaning "no 1.3" but 1.2 is mostly done, most likely Apr 16 14:31:33 Bug 9865: Python missing bsddb module Apr 16 14:32:00 thanks. Apr 16 14:32:06 Treibholz: And your ME-server only allows provisionable devices? Or is it not a setting in ME2007? Apr 16 14:32:07 n900-dk: the "provisioning" problem should be unrelated to exchange version as it the device does not support provisioning Apr 16 14:32:28 frals: I thought so.. :-/ Apr 16 14:32:31 n900-dk: oh... ahrm... Apr 16 14:33:03 jacekowski: and now they have pr1.2 inside (which no one use as they rather prefer more fresh images) so they can check amount of users/devs leaving platform just due to lack of updates Apr 16 14:33:36 So if my company upgrades from ME2003, then it wouldn't solve the problem Apr 16 14:33:55 month after 1.2 they will release 1.2.1 just to keep people complaining 'when 1.3???' Apr 16 14:33:56 hrw, ? Apr 16 14:33:58 n900-dk: nope, it shouldnt Apr 16 14:34:05 damn Apr 16 14:34:19 jacekowski: did you got to Florida Linux show last year? Apr 16 14:34:31 n900-dk: if you can get your company to upgrade exchange, isnt it easier to ask them to allow you to use a non-provisionable device? ;) Apr 16 14:34:31 hrw, there is some many dev leaving the plateform ? Apr 16 14:35:30 frals: Unfortunately I think, that I can't get them to do either Apr 16 14:35:49 Khertan_Home: maemo never had big amount of devs. mess about 1.2 upgrade does not helps to add new ones Apr 16 14:36:00 Is the iphone a provisionable device? Apr 16 14:36:36 hrw, at least ... for me i ve stop for the moment any specifics maemo dev ... i was tiring with qa testing and other aspects of some maemo users Apr 16 14:37:12 hrw, but to be honest i know only three guy which have stop dev for maemo and i count me in this number Apr 16 14:37:15 Khertan_Home: I stopped any development because I need Qt 4.6 and extras-devel one require PR 1.2 to be usable Apr 16 14:37:34 hrw, :) for the moment i m learning Qt with python Apr 16 14:37:41 Is it the restrictions in the OS, that makes a device non-provisionable? Apr 16 14:37:51 autorotation for Qt apps is present in Qt 4.6 - require PR 1.2 even if you use 1.1.1 packages Apr 16 14:38:11 hrw, while i m still making apps for me ... i'm not sure i ll made them available ... Apr 16 14:38:17 n900-dk: in theory the OS should allow the MfE application to enforce a few settings Apr 16 14:38:39 n900-dk: if someone would write their own application it could probably report its provisionable even though it isnt Apr 16 14:38:42 hrw, this is like mnotes ... my own notes taking apps ... with his own web cloud sync :) Apr 16 14:39:07 hrw, good to hear that autorotation is available Apr 16 14:39:09 :) Apr 16 14:39:13 in qt 4.6 Apr 16 14:39:21 Khertan_Home: but you need pr 1.2 to use it Apr 16 14:39:27 you can do it in 4.5, too , it's just that it's a lot uglier Apr 16 14:39:28 did you use qt with python ? Apr 16 14:39:38 Khertan_Home: no, with c++ only Apr 16 14:39:40 frals: So int theory maybe pr1.2 could make it provisionable? Apr 16 14:39:44 which version of qt is pyqt running ontop of Apr 16 14:39:54 s/int/in/ Apr 16 14:40:05 lcuk, don't know Apr 16 14:40:09 n900-dk: pretty sure nokia cant fake provisionability (is that even a word?) without getting eaten my microsoft Apr 16 14:40:16 achipa: working autorotation with qt 4.6 is possible with pr1.1.1 but in ugly way (listening to dbus events + rotating when they happen) Apr 16 14:40:19 i got strange things with pyqt and pyside currently Apr 16 14:41:00 but i think this is just because pyside in extras is 0.2.0 (an old version) Apr 16 14:41:04 hrw, when a Qt app rotates here it has enlarged fonts Apr 16 14:41:12 MohammadAG: qt 4.5? Apr 16 14:41:19 sec Apr 16 14:41:20 Guess I will never be able to use exchange on my device then.. Apr 16 14:41:28 MohammadAG: 4.6 works normally here Apr 16 14:41:41 hrw: but then you could just use the premade classes for that Apr 16 14:41:59 hum ... be back ... 10.04 beta 2 install require reboot Apr 16 14:42:01 bye Apr 16 14:42:08 hrw, 4.6.2 Apr 16 14:42:33 khertan just made one big mistake installing 10.04 Apr 16 14:42:38 achipa: http://gitorious.org/qt-module-player/qt-module-player/commit/047c161675b2bf68abbdb089a80e2b71b3c8fb95 was my change from working autorotation -> PR1.2 way one Apr 16 14:43:41 achipa: http://gitorious.org/qt-module-player/qt-module-player/commit/be106df1f15875e4b3e47b58f3489957427f6509 added first version of autorotation to my app Apr 16 14:43:52 hrw: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Qt_Extra_Libraries#Minimal_API_documentation Apr 16 14:44:02 frals: So what is needed, is that a new version of OS, that allow MfE to enforce these settings, and a new version of MfE on maemo, that supports this? Apr 16 14:44:04 that kind of wrapped the ugliness for old stuff Apr 16 14:44:16 n900-dk: from what ive gathered yes Apr 16 14:44:31 n900-dk: there is a whole thread about MfE on talk.maemo.org, i suggest you read it :) Apr 16 14:44:56 achipa: I do not like to use external libs just because they let me avoid 1 one of code (PR1.2) or working code from Qt documentation Apr 16 14:45:21 hrw: I did say it was an ugly solution :) Apr 16 14:45:21 achipa: "Maemo Qt Extra Libraries are extensions to the community supported Qt (version 4.5) " Apr 16 14:45:21 frals: I did, but it never seemed to reach any conclusion of what is needed for getting this to work Apr 16 14:45:49 achipa: I once tried Qt 4.5/maemo and then decided not go that way anymore Apr 16 14:46:12 hrw: slightly painful, yes Apr 16 14:46:27 achipa: it is ugly Apr 16 14:46:34 not follows UI guidelines etc Apr 16 14:46:46 hrw: but 4.6 will cause headache with the custom QMaemo5 classes and funky properties, just wait for it... :) Apr 16 14:47:24 achipa: I use Qt 4.6 with Maemo5 things Apr 16 14:47:32 achipa: look at my app code Apr 16 14:47:32 is there another way to dump the addressbook in the terminal? Apr 16 14:48:04 guess the iphone must be a provisionable device, since exchange works fine for some of my colleagues.. Apr 16 14:48:10 Treibholz: evolution-addressbook-export ? Apr 16 14:48:15 hrw: that's what I'm saying. That's not solid stuff, I would bet that API will be broken sooner or later Apr 16 14:50:16 zash: command not found Apr 16 14:51:59 ~upstream Apr 16 14:52:17 n900-dk: what exactly is a 'provisionable device'? Apr 16 14:52:22 meh - even infobot is baffled by that phrase.... why can't techies speak english....... Apr 16 14:53:04 noobmonk3y, who mentioned upstream to you Apr 16 14:53:14 and its where original code comes from Apr 16 14:53:25 read it all the time in the forums, and just read it on that Ari Jaaksi interview page Apr 16 14:53:42 "How will the open development model and working so closely with upstream partners help to position MeeGo for success? " Apr 16 14:53:55 i can't see all developers living at the end of the amazon tbf Apr 16 14:54:10 top of mountains Apr 16 14:54:25 :D Apr 16 14:54:29 GTK is "upstream" to the version we have in maemo Apr 16 14:54:34 ? Apr 16 14:54:40 GTK is GTK it aint no stream! Apr 16 14:54:42 Treibholz: from what I understand, it is a device that can and will follow some security policies, that the Exchange-server can demand. Apr 16 14:54:45 theres slight differences and tweaks made here Apr 16 14:54:56 ahhh ok, so python V pymaemo? Apr 16 14:55:06 python is special Apr 16 14:55:10 is hacked to shreds to work for us, but the upstream version is the original Apr 16 14:55:17 upstream is a yellow line Apr 16 14:55:29 fair Apr 16 14:55:34 wow, upstream is on a london road? Apr 16 14:55:39 LOL Apr 16 14:55:47 ~dict upstream Apr 16 14:55:48 now i'm just confuuuuuuuused Apr 16 14:55:59 ~ping Apr 16 14:56:02 infobot died Apr 16 14:56:05 DocScrutinizer: Infobot hates upstream as much as i do Apr 16 14:56:08 noobmonk3y, suppose someone takes healthcheck Apr 16 14:56:10 it's not in the list Apr 16 14:56:12 and uses it on ubuntu Apr 16 14:56:17 ahhhh ok Apr 16 14:56:20 and makes some changes to it Apr 16 14:56:24 ouch Apr 16 14:56:26 YOU are upstream Apr 16 14:56:36 well technically healthcheck being qt should work, but i know what you mean - not its initial intended use Apr 16 14:57:24 * MohammadAG summons infobot Apr 16 14:57:36 wrong button Apr 16 14:57:38 :P Apr 16 14:57:40 ~slap infobot Apr 16 14:57:46 nope... not playing ball Apr 16 14:57:56 noobmonk3y, it got killed I think Apr 16 14:58:02 ibot is down Apr 16 14:58:12 ibot is going down on who you say? Apr 16 14:58:16 what brought it down Apr 16 14:59:23 noobmonk3y Apr 16 14:59:34 DocScrutinizer Apr 16 15:00:01 * MohammadAG loves these games Apr 16 15:01:31 ffs webchat doesnt like messages, MohammadAG can you msg me please! Apr 16 15:01:52 noobmonk3y, do I have to? :P Apr 16 15:01:56 DocScrutinizer, can we block and ban people from irc? Apr 16 15:01:57 nope :D Apr 16 15:02:09 lcuk, kickban Apr 16 15:02:17 thats only from here Apr 16 15:02:20 he means glining? Apr 16 15:02:29 gzlining is better :P Apr 16 15:02:39 lcuk: ? Apr 16 15:02:53 but iirc DocScrutinizer said no one has the perms in here Apr 16 15:02:54 yeah! with a weird hack I can now use the addressbook in mutt on my workstation! :-) Apr 16 15:02:58 DocScrutinizer, just a question Apr 16 15:03:10 im not thinking of anyone in particular Apr 16 15:03:19 * lcuk idly looks around at noobmonk3y for no reason Apr 16 15:03:27 * noobmonk3y farts Apr 16 15:03:36 chanops kan ban from the chan they manage Apr 16 15:03:51 * MohammadAG stares at noobmonk3y Apr 16 15:03:54 no chanop is supposed to kline a user from freenode Apr 16 15:03:55 * noobmonk3y giggles Apr 16 15:03:59 i know DocScrutinizer im messin around Apr 16 15:04:00 * noobmonk3y giggles Apr 16 15:04:23 lcuk: one day... just one day ;) - you may be taken seriously! then there will be tears! Apr 16 15:04:35 for you :p Apr 16 15:04:40 :D Apr 16 15:04:47 Hi again ! Apr 16 15:04:50 i blame Khertan Apr 16 15:05:04 must be Khertan's fault by now? Apr 16 15:05:14 oh hai Khertan Apr 16 15:05:16 gnié ? Apr 16 15:05:19 lol Apr 16 15:05:26 Hi noobmonk3y Apr 16 15:05:28 is a gnie like a gnu? Apr 16 15:05:31 :D Apr 16 15:05:31 bah writing boring code is boring Apr 16 15:05:46 speaking of which i might actually do some tonight Apr 16 15:05:47 frals, yep as other boring things Apr 16 15:06:21 somebody said netsplit? Apr 16 15:06:25 nope Apr 16 15:06:33 noobmonk3y, did you have some screenshot of healcheck ? Apr 16 15:06:41 did i or do i? Apr 16 15:06:47 some are on the tmo post Apr 16 15:06:49 prob no new ones Apr 16 15:06:53 frals coding is fun! Apr 16 15:06:55 but newish ones Apr 16 15:06:59 as what i got on my device isn't very a beautiful ui :) Apr 16 15:07:06 lol its crap Apr 16 15:07:09 :D Apr 16 15:07:11 lcuk: yes! but not when its easy stuff ;P Apr 16 15:07:22 but then i aint that beautiful, so it's only fair :D Apr 16 15:07:26 frals, you mean all the boilerplate Apr 16 15:07:50 noobmonk3y, ok i ve just check your screenshot on first post Apr 16 15:07:56 what i got isn't that Apr 16 15:07:59 lol Apr 16 15:08:08 i ve clearly a problem with my qt install Apr 16 15:08:25 qt_khertan_edition Apr 16 15:08:28 :) Apr 16 15:08:33 yep ... strange things Apr 16 15:08:35 code once, crash anywhere Apr 16 15:08:43 i think this is due to trying pyqt Apr 16 15:08:43 Khertan: -- http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45453&page=43 ? closer? Apr 16 15:08:44 pyside Apr 16 15:09:01 mixing sdk package Apr 16 15:09:06 and things like that :) Apr 16 15:09:07 hmm now comes the design decision Apr 16 15:09:38 should i store all apn settings in fmms gconfdir or should i add them to osso/connectivity/iap and just mask out the sim imsi when fmms is not running? Apr 16 15:09:40 noobmonk3y, more something like really large font :) Apr 16 15:09:52 ooo freaky deaky - lcuk didnt you have that once? Apr 16 15:10:01 some text line are in front of others :) Apr 16 15:10:05 i think you caught the lcuk lurgy Khertan Apr 16 15:10:08 the benefit of doing it in osso's dir is that ppl can manually connect to the apn, which is needed in some connection modes Apr 16 15:10:15 ok i think it s time to flash the device :) Apr 16 15:10:19 :D Apr 16 15:10:23 ... i should probably just mask it when its in connection mode havoc Apr 16 15:12:29 frals, i dont quite understand the question. you want to create a new visible IAP sometimes Apr 16 15:12:32 ? Apr 16 15:12:47 me while downloading the fw image is trying brain party Apr 16 15:12:51 it s a nice game Apr 16 15:12:55 yeah depending on the connection mode configured in fmms the connection have to be conenctable in the CSD UI Apr 16 15:13:29 2 out of 3 modes need it to be visible Apr 16 15:13:37 and you can create an IAP from code Apr 16 15:13:41 yeah Apr 16 15:14:05 and i can hide it from the UI from my code as well Apr 16 15:14:10 but all settings are still in gconf Apr 16 15:14:10 is it worth just adding a "make IAP" button in config rather than automatic? Apr 16 15:14:56 or is that bit not the prob Apr 16 15:15:10 that bit is not the prob Apr 16 15:15:31 i was just thinking where i should save the settings but its pretty obvious i should do it where csd saves the iap's Apr 16 15:15:39 just had to think about it for a minute :D Apr 16 15:15:41 sounds reasonable Apr 16 15:16:51 stupid question, but am I only one who gets connection timeout when I try to use talk.maemo.org? Apr 16 15:17:08 yabba: down for me too Apr 16 15:17:33 same here Apr 16 15:17:37 working again now :P Apr 16 15:17:38 not for me Apr 16 15:18:06 i mean it does work here Apr 16 15:18:30 yeah, its working again :) It did the same thing yesterday to, some server maintain maybe? Apr 16 15:18:43 ~ping Apr 16 15:19:26 ~ping Apr 16 15:19:27 ~pong Apr 16 15:20:11 ~chaninfo Apr 16 15:20:11 I'm on 43 channels: #debian/965, #maemo/556, #asterisk/252, #wowace/163, #wowuidev/128, #edev/60, #curseforge/49, #norganna/37, #sc2mapster/34, #/26, #openezx/25, #openjtag/24, #brlcad/24, ##kierra/23, ##essy/18, #waruidev/12, ##guleague/12, #arl/11, ##pxe/11, #pegasos.org/10, #debian-bots/10, ##ducleague/9, #botpark/8, #debian-france/6, #arm-netbook/4, #dub/4, ##ols/4, ##bz-inc/4, #ud/3, #linuxfund/3, #saygus/3, ##icf/3, ##bspress/3, ##t42/2, ... Apr 16 15:20:11 i've cached 2518 users, 2151 unique users, distributed over 43 channels. Apr 16 15:21:03 almost as many as me Apr 16 15:21:23 should be >200 Apr 16 15:22:59 ~chaninfo Apr 16 15:23:01 I'm on 63 channels: #debian/963, #maemo/559, #kde/413, #gsoc/349, #asterisk/254, #openmoko/189, #wowace/163, #wowuidev/128, #htc-linux/98, #asterisk-dev/64, #edev/60, #bzflag/55, #curseforge/49, #elinux/40, #norganna/37, #gllug/36, #sc2mapster/33, #elive/27, #/26, #openezx/25, #openjtag/24, #asterisk-bugs/24, #brlcad/24, ##kierra/23, #handhelds/23, #bzflag-chat/19, ##essy/18, #asterisk-doc/14, #debianppc/13, #waruidev/12, ##guleague/12, #flyspray/11, ... Apr 16 15:23:01 i've cached 3911 users, 3132 unique users, distributed over 63 channels. Apr 16 15:23:12 ~stats Apr 16 15:23:13 Since Fri Apr 16 15:05:14 2010, there have been 0 modifications, 2 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 17m 58s this session, and currently reference 116951 factoids. I'm using about 15908 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 15.56/1.78 child 0.1/0.02 Apr 16 15:23:51 DocScrutinizer: stop chatting up infobot Apr 16 15:24:07 noobmonk3y: stop killing infobot! Apr 16 15:24:13 meh, fair point Apr 16 15:24:13 i heard queries/dcc chats are pretty good for checking up on bots Apr 16 15:24:30 frals: dont give him ideas.... he will marry infobot next Apr 16 15:24:32 also, misclicking and ending up in a "waiting for pr1.2" thread is pretty depressing Apr 16 15:24:50 frals: just wait until the waiting for meego 1.0 or 1.1 thread......... :| Apr 16 15:25:02 frals: you bet I got a query open to infobot all times Apr 16 15:25:41 the ~chat here was to demonstrate it's up since short time, and currently rejoining channels Apr 16 15:26:11 * noobmonk3y is gonna go and enjoy the weekend Apr 16 15:26:31 noobmonk3y: bastard! Apr 16 15:26:37 that sounds like a nice idea noobmonk3y Apr 16 15:26:39 the first good idea you got since errr.. anyway will do same Apr 16 15:26:40 interesting that meego.com was down for the same amount of time and at the same time as meamo.org :P Apr 16 15:26:46 i have to take eldest and his mates to a concert later Apr 16 15:26:53 lcuk: what concert? :D Apr 16 15:26:54 gah, need to get up and get my other charger, battery low on both devices :< Apr 16 15:26:55 so i cant start drinking till muuuuuuuuuuuuch more Apr 16 15:27:08 sunno hes got backstage pass tho Apr 16 15:27:10 dunno Apr 16 15:27:10 noobmonk3y: and infobot Apr 16 15:27:11 cool! Apr 16 15:27:22 yeah they are well excited Apr 16 15:27:22 ooo its a threesome Apr 16 15:27:48 lol! Apr 16 15:27:50 [16:27] ooo its a threesome [16:27] yeah they are well excited Apr 16 15:27:55 lol Apr 16 15:27:58 lol Apr 16 15:28:05 noobmonk3y: and netsplit here on freenode Apr 16 15:29:09 ~seen arif_ Apr 16 15:29:11 arif_ was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 13d 3h 34m 2s ago, saying: 'they're not exactly the same are they?'. Apr 16 15:29:19 wow..... long time no spam! Apr 16 15:29:31 ~seen Qwerty12 Apr 16 15:29:32 qwerty12 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 133d 21h 5m 33s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'. Apr 16 15:29:41 ~seen jott Apr 16 15:29:42 jott was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 553d 14m 44s ago, saying: ':)'. Apr 16 15:29:59 lol!!! Apr 16 15:30:09 who be jott? :| Apr 16 15:30:13 god Apr 16 15:30:16 update file corrupted! maybe PR 1.2 is here lol Apr 16 15:30:20 fairynuff Apr 16 15:30:22 :) excremely talented hacker Apr 16 15:30:23 opdf2, no Apr 16 15:30:27 extremely Apr 16 15:30:29 opdf2: - naaa just HAM wind Apr 16 15:30:40 new 32GB microSDHC cards are being made atm Apr 16 15:30:43 lcuk: hacked himself into invisibility? Apr 16 15:30:45 would they work on N900? Apr 16 15:30:54 FIQ: should do Apr 16 15:30:58 ah Apr 16 15:31:00 noobmonk3y: (Arif_) he's online, but not in #maemo. Probably he's thru with shouting and playing fun at him Apr 16 15:31:09 awwwwwwwww Apr 16 15:32:42 FIQ: s/made/sold/ Apr 16 15:33:38 am i missing something, or is it impossible to open multiple PDFs? Apr 16 15:35:52 guys quick licensing question Apr 16 15:36:04 its ok to distribute my GPL code along with LGPL code right? Apr 16 15:37:16 frals, ? you mean use a piece/component which is currently lgpl within/attached to your gpl app Apr 16 15:37:22 yeah Apr 16 15:37:37 or do i need to convert to lgpl? Apr 16 15:37:45 is it the whole component Apr 16 15:37:52 or are you wanting to just rape a function out of it Apr 16 15:38:03 its pretty much the whole component Apr 16 15:38:07 slightly modified but yeah Apr 16 15:38:22 ie the mms library im using is lgpl'd Apr 16 15:38:38 am i missing something, or is it impossible to open multiple PDFs? Apr 16 15:38:43 so trying to figure out if im breaking the license or not Apr 16 15:39:05 BCMM, i dont tihnk you can open multiple in the default app Apr 16 15:39:27 frals, are you going to be "adopting" this lgpl library into your codebase Apr 16 15:39:34 and keeping it as a library Apr 16 15:39:41 there are alternatives, aren't there? Apr 16 15:39:42 or are you wanting to cherry pick bits from within Apr 16 15:39:50 im keeping it as a library Apr 16 15:39:54 BCMM, i dunno, pdf is somewhat evil Apr 16 15:40:04 then its a normal lgpl thing Apr 16 15:40:09 source compliance etc Apr 16 15:40:19 the format or the maemo program? Apr 16 15:41:00 BCMM, format is just ugly, but standard - its mostly the players on other platforms i have problem with Apr 16 15:41:01 lcuk: so it should be no probs since im distributing the complete source code to everything right? Apr 16 15:41:28 frals, as far as you have explained, creating a modified version of the library is ok - the ultimate best Apr 16 15:41:34 hated pdfs till i used okular Apr 16 15:41:35 would be to push your modifications upstream Apr 16 15:41:57 well i cant get a hold of upstream, email bounces as its a 3yr old lib Apr 16 15:42:03 * lcuk wonders where he got nokia pen from Apr 16 15:42:08 can evince autoreload changed files? Apr 16 15:42:20 and my mods are mostly fmms specific anyway :P Apr 16 15:42:21 dunno bcmm, change one and test Apr 16 15:42:36 quick question, this qwbasite requires the following installed add on microsoft visual c++ 2005 sp1, is that avaliable for our phones? Apr 16 15:42:40 frals, then fork the library to prevent confusion Apr 16 15:42:45 (i'm writing LaTeX) Apr 16 15:42:46 keep its license the same Apr 16 15:43:09 fmms has anyone got that working as it doesn't like my apn settings on t-mobile uk :( Apr 16 15:43:23 paul_____, you are in luck! Apr 16 15:43:31 ? Apr 16 15:43:36 paul_____: yes, quite a few have got it working ;-) Apr 16 15:43:50 any special hacks to make it work then or am i just silly? Apr 16 15:43:54 paul_____, theres someone here who might be able to help Apr 16 15:43:56 what does the log say? Apr 16 15:43:58 lcuk, you just finished writing it? Apr 16 15:44:12 not me Apr 16 15:44:18 * lcuk hasnt touched anything of fmms Apr 16 15:44:32 * frals is glad lcuk hasnt touched fmms Apr 16 15:44:40 it be full of insane c code everywhere! Apr 16 15:44:50 "insane" Apr 16 15:44:51 :| Apr 16 15:45:00 in a good way, obviously! Apr 16 15:45:11 i am perfectly capable of writing insane python code too you know Apr 16 15:45:15 errr logical python code Apr 16 15:45:15 :D Apr 16 15:45:16 damn you Apr 16 15:45:20 name or serivce not known Apr 16 15:45:29 c++ who can help me the lcuk ? Apr 16 15:45:56 paul_____: Run in x-terminal: cp /tmp/fmms.log /home/user/MyDocs/ Apr 16 15:46:03 and then mail me the log Apr 16 15:46:47 i sent you my email in a notice Apr 16 15:46:59 how do i get evince out of fullscreen mode? Apr 16 15:47:00 oh the ubuntu 10.04 install system is really nice Apr 16 15:47:58 Khertan, yes it is and lot of updates every day, but that's what you got when choosing beta :) Apr 16 15:48:15 yabba, yep of course Apr 16 15:48:26 i'm trying the ubuntu netbook 10.04 Apr 16 15:48:33 and the installer is nice Apr 16 15:49:01 evince reloads! n900 is a surprisingly good latex environment Apr 16 15:54:08 \o/ some flights can depart from manchester lol Apr 16 15:54:15 oooo :D Apr 16 15:54:18 most of the country is under a bad egg cloud Apr 16 15:54:23 it's been nice n quiet over here Apr 16 15:54:33 on lfight path for heathrow Apr 16 15:55:08 yeah for some it will be eery Apr 16 15:55:50 oh yer it is strange nothing going over but it's so nice n quiet Apr 16 15:55:59 the ozone layer is all good Apr 16 15:56:15 * paul_____ pokes frals Apr 16 15:56:26 yes? Apr 16 15:56:31 see msg i sent u Apr 16 16:04:59 anyone use NoLazy? the n900 app for Remember the Milk? Apr 16 16:05:30 i see the due date on no lazy is off by 1 day. But on the RTM website it is correct Apr 16 16:05:31 not i Apr 16 16:06:52 DocScrutinizer, any estimate on when infobot will be back? Apr 16 16:07:12 ~botsnack Apr 16 16:07:12 aw, gee, DocScrutinizer Apr 16 16:07:14 ~lart MohammadAG_ Apr 16 16:07:15 * infobot brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, MohammadAG_!" and lops off MohammadAG_'s head Apr 16 16:07:25 errordeveloper, why doesn't it have voice.. Apr 16 16:07:31 I always check the top of the list Apr 16 16:07:38 WTF Apr 16 16:07:43 what for does it need voice? Apr 16 16:08:05 why does xchat keep turning on automatic nick completion :/ Apr 16 16:08:10 tbh nobody needs voice here :-P Apr 16 16:08:14 (without tab) Apr 16 16:08:25 DocScrutinizer, it had voice so.. :) Apr 16 16:09:33 MohammadAG_: (xchat nick completion) you're sure that's not word completion of hildon input method? Apr 16 16:09:44 nope Apr 16 16:09:51 it's the thing in settings Apr 16 16:09:58 like if I say Doc, it autocompletes it Apr 16 16:10:03 without tabbing Apr 16 16:10:10 MohammadAG_: never seen that Apr 16 16:10:19 Input box DocScrutinizer Apr 16 16:10:28 turn it on, type Moha, Apr 16 16:10:53 next week I hope to do that :-S Apr 16 16:10:58 have a nice weekend Apr 16 16:11:28 error dev eloper, why doesn't it have voice.. <-- resulting in embarrassing pings Apr 16 16:12:29 err what? Apr 16 16:12:54 ? Apr 16 16:13:00 what's with the CTCPs Apr 16 16:14:01 dumbass here, you need to be more verbose Apr 16 16:14:28 ... Apr 16 16:14:43 ToJa92, why did you CTCP ping + version me? Apr 16 16:14:57 I was bored I guess :P Apr 16 16:15:30 i didn't want to be left out :p Apr 16 16:15:52 * MohammadAG_ waits for the third person to explain why he version'd me Apr 16 16:15:58 ^^^^ Apr 16 16:16:03 third Apr 16 16:16:10 my reason's pretty similar to paul_____, and a bit of ToJa92's Apr 16 16:16:11 nid0... Apr 16 16:16:15 lol Apr 16 16:16:19 :) Apr 16 16:16:25 * paul_____ pokes MohammadAG_ Apr 16 16:16:38 ooo like facebook just less words to type Apr 16 16:16:54 or buttons to click Apr 16 16:17:02 * MohammadAG_ pokes paul_____ Apr 16 16:17:08 ouch Apr 16 16:17:10 why the ____? Apr 16 16:17:11 broken ribbs here Apr 16 16:17:17 just what irssi assignedme Apr 16 16:17:21 lol Apr 16 16:18:22 Khertan, is there any way to add a Suggests field to the control file using pypackager? Apr 16 16:18:47 tried p.suggests='packagename' Apr 16 16:18:57 * DocScrutinizer suggests /msg nickserv ghost to paul______________ Apr 16 16:19:00 MohammadAG_, currrently no :) Apr 16 16:19:11 aww Apr 16 16:19:18 * MohammadAG_ untars and adds manually Apr 16 16:19:47 http://khertan.net/flyspray/index.php?project=3&do=index&switch=1 <<< but you can add your suggestion here ... Apr 16 16:19:58 and i ll add it when i ll do a new release Apr 16 16:21:08 w00t_: You should have 'about' in the dropdown menu in Facebrick to promote yourself (and with versionnumber) :) Apr 16 16:21:37 n900-dk: hehe, I have thought about adding that, yes Apr 16 16:21:42 but more important things to finish first :) Apr 16 16:22:07 I bricked my face, help PLZZ!! Apr 16 16:22:16 Flash it! Apr 16 16:22:25 Oh wait Apr 16 16:22:30 ... thats not possible right? Apr 16 16:23:51 Khertan, added :) Apr 16 16:24:10 ToJa92, it is, I just won't detail it Apr 16 16:24:12 :P Apr 16 16:24:31 i have my joggler Apr 16 16:26:18 Wow, TMO works again... I couldn't access it like a half-hour ago :( Apr 16 16:26:48 \o Apr 16 16:26:48 use google cache then :) Apr 16 16:27:05 when did Google cache add posting capabilities? Apr 16 16:27:33 nobody posts on tmo Apr 16 16:27:35 it's just bots Apr 16 16:28:11 If that's the case I would say the bots are pretty advanced :P Apr 16 16:28:13 luke-jr: why care to post to tmo? Apr 16 16:28:41 echo "0.0.0.0 talk.maemo.org" >>/etc/hosts Apr 16 16:28:46 MohammadAG_, thx Apr 16 16:29:37 hmm Apr 16 16:30:07 * slonopotamus deletes tmo by doing wget http://talk.maemo.org/ > /dev/null Apr 16 16:30:09 :P Apr 16 16:30:29 slonopotamus: have you made a backup? Apr 16 16:30:34 [slonopotamus]: Dosen't seem to be working... yet Apr 16 16:30:50 slonopotamus: wget doesn't work like that Apr 16 16:31:06 luke-jr: meh. need to patch it then. Apr 16 16:31:13 slonopotamus: or just use curl Apr 16 16:31:14 lol Apr 16 16:31:21 even still, it'd copy, not move Apr 16 16:32:56 jacekowski: cat /dev/null | talk.maemo.org :) Apr 16 16:34:00 s/null/random/ Apr 16 16:34:40 * DocScrutinizer suggests to poison DNS system though Apr 16 16:35:15 you dont have long, dnssec going live soon Apr 16 16:35:34 'soon'? Apr 16 16:35:40 5th may Apr 16 16:35:42 X-Fade, was the workaround applied? Apr 16 16:35:44 better it should Apr 16 16:35:52 MohammadAG_: yes. Apr 16 16:35:54 lots of updates popped up at once Apr 16 16:36:40 Yeah, rebuilds got imported. Apr 16 16:36:47 (DNS) see Pakistan and China rogue DNS takeovers Apr 16 16:36:56 X-Fade, thanks! Apr 16 16:37:35 err s/Pakistan/Iran/ ? Apr 16 16:38:27 lol Apr 16 16:46:24 damnit! Apr 16 16:46:32 i was realigning the gears in a ps3's blue ray Apr 16 16:46:38 and i pulled the rollers a little too far back Apr 16 16:46:47 and didn't realize that the damn things release gears when you do that Apr 16 16:46:54 and now i have no idea how it goes back together Apr 16 16:47:17 Macer, i believe you need to say "oops" about now Apr 16 16:48:50 pretty sure there are better words than oops Apr 16 16:48:54 [lcuk]: He probably already did Apr 16 16:49:42 "Size mismatch" on rebuilt packages - something i can do or wait for repo cache to get updated? Apr 16 16:50:20 frals: you can curse the damn thing a couple f times Apr 16 16:50:40 for being nonatomic Apr 16 16:51:38 * slonopotamus fails to understand why it is so hard to put deb first and only _after_ that publish package info in Packages file. Apr 16 16:52:42 lcuk: oops would be too nice of a word :) Apr 16 16:52:49 i'm trying to figure out how the rollers go back together Apr 16 16:53:42 Macer: i'm more than sure your eula prohibits you from doing that kind of stuff. Apr 16 16:54:32 doubtful Apr 16 16:54:32 :) Apr 16 16:54:44 slonopotamus: are the sony police going to come get me for trying to repair a drive? Apr 16 16:55:07 Macer: reflash! Apr 16 16:55:18 Macer, at least they can be put back together :) Apr 16 16:55:19 Macer: surely no! no warranty in case of eula violation :) Apr 16 16:55:29 * MohammadAG_ remembers his long long night when he did that Apr 16 16:58:09 http://www.millhouse.nl/eyjafjallajokull06.html - fun Apr 16 16:58:38 Macer, here you go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEN1kk31-zs Apr 16 16:59:19 http://www.millhouse.nl/eyjafjallajokull2010.html - /me ponders desktop material. Apr 16 17:01:19 silly slono Apr 16 17:01:40 heh Apr 16 17:01:46 has anyone tried using a normal desktop like xfce on the n900? Apr 16 17:01:50 this thing is over 4 years old ;) Apr 16 17:01:53 it doesn't have a warranty Apr 16 17:02:08 i was able to piece it back together Apr 16 17:02:14 i thought i lost a plastic gear Apr 16 17:02:38 get a cutter and some old cheese Apr 16 17:04:31 Macer: I meant his talk about EULAs Apr 16 17:04:40 as if EULAs have any legal meaning whatsoever Apr 16 17:08:35 PhonicUK: check out Debchroot Apr 16 17:12:26 Ah, Friday. Apr 16 17:15:47 I. NEED. A. JOB. >_> Apr 16 17:15:56 GAN900: you noticed that by reading backscroll and pondering about silly topics? :-D Apr 16 17:15:57 alright, venting complete. heading to lunch. Apr 16 17:16:06 rm_you, go talk to Nokia! Apr 16 17:16:10 lol Apr 16 17:16:30 Nokia is hiring people with 5-10+ years of experience in low-level programming or the like Apr 16 17:16:33 GAN900: does same advice apply to me? Apr 16 17:16:37 I'm a college graduate >_< Apr 16 17:17:00 DocScrutinizer, nah, I'm just happy to not have to get up a 7 AM today to ride the bus to a conference full of Linux geeks. :D Apr 16 17:17:05 really do need to go Lunch tho :P Apr 16 17:17:07 rm_you, try! Apr 16 17:17:09 lol Apr 16 17:17:21 I guess the worst they can do is laugh at me and reject my queries. Apr 16 17:17:22 * GAN900 hears somebody in a similar situation was picked up Apr 16 17:17:30 Contractors are an option, too. Apr 16 17:17:53 DocScrutinizer, clearly you have too much experience. Apr 16 17:18:01 * DocScrutinizer feels like happy as a contractor Apr 16 17:18:28 GAN900: :-(( feck Apr 16 17:18:35 * GAN900 mutters evil things about iPhones making data suck for the rest of us. Apr 16 17:19:38 * DocScrutinizer wonders if Nokia has a policy about keeping avrg experience in their teams below a certain level Apr 16 17:21:47 201.16 seconds Apr 16 17:22:11 average experience? Apr 16 17:22:39 well, then for sure I have to ponder carefully which position I might apply for Apr 16 17:23:01 ping time Apr 16 17:24:41 maybe I should apply for Perl development - clearly no experience at all XP Apr 16 17:25:45 GAN900: Nokia interested in people who won't move? :P Apr 16 17:26:18 luke-jr, depends on the position, I think Apr 16 17:26:25 * GAN900 notes Texrat hasn't had a huge amount of luck there Apr 16 17:26:32 perl developers? Apr 16 17:26:36 heh Apr 16 17:26:43 Will have more luck with Nokia contractors for that. Apr 16 17:26:46 not that I want a job Apr 16 17:26:52 I just want a good product :/ Apr 16 17:26:54 * DocScrutinizer does Apr 16 17:28:34 I just want to participate in building a better product Apr 16 17:29:40 hello guys while I was updating my n900 I've been having update file corrupt for several of the packages update any idea Apr 16 17:30:12 a-saint: retry tomorrow Apr 16 17:30:28 how come? Apr 16 17:30:39 autobuilder changes Apr 16 17:30:49 aiui Apr 16 17:30:56 hm ok Apr 16 17:31:01 a-saint: We're flushing the akamai cache now will take some time. Apr 16 17:31:19 X ok thanks guys Apr 16 17:32:05 X-Fade: everything smooth? Apr 16 17:32:26 DocScrutinizer: Yes, only akamai cache caching debs for 2 days by default ;) Apr 16 17:32:33 lol Apr 16 17:32:35 But we flush them out now. Apr 16 17:32:43 Normally you would not replace debs. Apr 16 17:32:47 not a major problem Apr 16 17:32:49 So then it is actually a good thing. Apr 16 17:32:56 while am here how do I know if am running the latest maemo update and is there a new update soon Apr 16 17:33:00 But yeah, slight hack today :) Apr 16 17:33:03 so, I was sitting down in the train and battery.charge_level.percentage from hal reported 35%. I surfed some 3G for 15 minutes and then it said 22%. I switched trains, sat down again (took me one minute) and then it reported 0%. Apr 16 17:33:14 but yeah we all know the battery meter is kinda broken. Apr 16 17:33:53 yep, and 3G in train is kinda worst case Apr 16 17:33:58 a-saint, update should be coming sometime in the future. Apr 16 17:34:08 yeah. Apr 16 17:34:52 GAN900 near future Apr 16 17:35:28 X-Fade: how much experience is too much to apply for a job at Nokia? Apr 16 17:35:43 DocScrutinizer: Depends on where you want to be ;) Apr 16 17:35:43 a-saint: within months Apr 16 17:36:08 DocScrutinizer: If you apply as helpdesk guy.... Apr 16 17:36:53 DocScrutinizer, talk to Texrat. Apr 16 17:36:53 Shapeshifter ok thanks Apr 16 17:37:11 actually I'd be more interested in termal management and general low level / hw Apr 16 17:37:55 GAN900: for the helpdesk job? Apr 16 17:38:05 DocScrutinizer: There are teams in Oulo, Tampere and Helsinki doing that. Apr 16 17:38:21 DocScrutinizer, for jobs at Nokia. Apr 16 17:38:24 DocScrutinizer: The more north you go, the more hardcore it gets, it seems ;) Apr 16 17:38:34 DocScrutinizer, he's got some experience applying. ;) Apr 16 17:38:38 eeew :-/ Apr 16 17:38:51 (north) Apr 16 17:39:26 But it is other people should know more, I'm outside the Nokia firewall. Apr 16 17:45:10 anyone know how id get this http://mms.frals.se/widget.png widget in a gtk.dialog? Apr 16 18:00:10 haha oh wow, transitions.ini mods are great Apr 16 18:01:09 indeed Apr 16 18:04:24 When booting vis bootmenu and using usb networking, where do i find the driver for my computer? Apr 16 18:04:27 *via Apr 16 18:05:43 hi, can I boot a gnu/linux pc with n900 like thumbdrive? Apr 16 18:06:17 yes, in principle. Apr 16 18:06:22 I've never tried it. Apr 16 18:06:26 It should work though. Apr 16 18:06:32 :) Apr 16 18:06:44 and setting up all connection etc automatically Apr 16 18:06:55 setting up all connection? Apr 16 18:07:03 like usb networking Apr 16 18:07:08 It basically functions like a thumbdrive Apr 16 18:07:12 so, nobody knows where i can get the networking driver to recover via bootmenu? Apr 16 18:07:28 as I understand it in thumbdrive mode, it does not support usb-net Apr 16 18:07:38 you'd need to do some magic to get that working Apr 16 18:07:41 im talking bout a n810 with bootmenu Apr 16 18:07:43 which should be possible Apr 16 18:07:44 I see Apr 16 18:08:05 boot then eject the device may be Apr 16 18:08:15 i don't know Apr 16 18:08:16 it makes the n810 act as a usb network controller so you can ssh/telnet to it to revover it Apr 16 18:08:33 i cant seem to find the windows driver for it anywhere.... Apr 16 18:09:41 btw, i am thinking of a 3d like wallpaper, more like using camera mapping technique so when you tilt the phone, wallpaper will change and make it look like the background is actually in 3d Apr 16 18:10:08 well, the page with the driver was once here: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworkingwinxp/ Apr 16 18:10:12 :( Apr 16 18:10:45 info are not in new usbnetworking wiki page? Apr 16 18:11:06 huh? Apr 16 18:11:20 http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking Apr 16 18:11:30 i am sorry my link is too slow to actually open that Apr 16 18:11:39 SpeedEvil: (thumbdrive?) are you talking bout tethering & usb mass storage? Apr 16 18:12:09 yes Apr 16 18:12:28 ok, im reading that page now. by any chance is there a windows 7 driver or xp only? Apr 16 18:13:07 * wall[e] has no idea, never use windows Apr 16 18:13:11 aiui in pc network mode (select from popup menu at usb plugin) you get a standard modem or network device Apr 16 18:23:12 i found a driver that works for windows 7. There was non in the wiki Apr 16 18:23:22 here is it if anyone wants it: http://bug.cmw.me/bugvista64.inf Apr 16 18:23:58 edit wiki, please! Apr 16 18:24:29 fascinating how much faster transitions are without the background blurring... Apr 16 18:24:41 I will Apr 16 18:25:12 well, that driver makes windows recognize the device, but it gets an error code 10 (won't start) Apr 16 18:28:33 it's not driver that makes it recognize device Apr 16 18:28:38 it's inf file that comes with driver Apr 16 18:28:50 that tells windows that driver x will work with device id y Apr 16 18:29:29 does windows (7 x64) have the driver built in? so that an inf can tell it to use the correct built in driver? Apr 16 18:29:36 well i'm using jacekowski.org/linux,inf Apr 16 18:29:45 jacekowski.org/linux.inf Apr 16 18:29:58 that came with maemo kernel sources Apr 16 18:30:38 ok, ill give that one a try Apr 16 18:31:51 nope, did not work for me Apr 16 18:34:15 i found another one that gives me error code 10 Apr 16 18:35:09 well it works for me Apr 16 18:36:43 Repent, fornicators! Apr 16 18:36:59 ...and now, back to our usual programming: is PR1.2 out? =) Apr 16 18:37:46 that's good question Apr 16 18:37:48 is it out? Apr 16 18:38:00 brb, gonna reboot Apr 16 18:38:25 Hi Apr 16 18:52:20 :) Apr 16 18:52:33 thought my keyboard slide had jammed Apr 16 18:52:58 I'd put the top half of a case on upside down. Apr 16 18:53:11 and it doesn't slide that way Apr 16 18:57:24 * RST38h found Krusell lanyard/stylus in the store today Apr 16 18:57:34 a minor usability win Apr 16 19:03:55 anyone know how i force a widget to use a specific style in gtk? eg i want my gtk.HBox to use the style Apr 16 19:03:59 'fremantle-button-group' Apr 16 19:04:25 frals, Apr 16 19:04:44 what language? Apr 16 19:04:58 python preferable, but if you show me c i can probably translate it :) Apr 16 19:05:13 heh. python preferred here too. Simplest :) Apr 16 19:05:21 alright guys! Apr 16 19:05:21 err ok. did you get my tweet? Apr 16 19:05:48 just saw it, gonna have a look Apr 16 19:06:28 homogeneous TRUE and spacing 0 should do it. This is a pretty nice document: http://sw.nokia.com/id/a3187f95-ad88-4233-b0ef-a182da3ec1c7/Hildon_2_2_Widget_UI_Specification_v1_0_en.pdf Apr 16 19:06:54 frals, page 50 has the toggle buttons Apr 16 19:06:55 yay a youtube vid on how to overclock the N900 Apr 16 19:07:01 LOL Apr 16 19:07:03 and still no vid to show how to flash the device Apr 16 19:07:09 heee Apr 16 19:07:15 mece: thanks Apr 16 19:07:19 well, at least flashing is super easy :) Apr 16 19:08:07 mece, flashing helps, overclocking kills Apr 16 19:08:16 both are essentially the same (they need flashing) Apr 16 19:08:48 meh. Apr 16 19:08:59 37 second boot video Apr 16 19:09:12 seriously, who wants to add more boot time to their N900 Apr 16 19:09:22 mece: thanks, seems to be working.. was using hildon_gtk_radio_button_new :P Apr 16 19:09:29 cool :D Apr 16 19:09:31 according to gtkrc it should be the same but alas no :P Apr 16 19:09:55 frals, could you paste me the source for that bit? I could use one of those in the comic widget settings. Apr 16 19:10:07 gonna clean it up and ill get you a link Apr 16 19:10:11 kthx Apr 16 19:11:08 somebody saw this ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNwGx162O2A Apr 16 19:11:22 Is there a statusbar wifi signal meter? Apr 16 19:11:35 some italian guy having problem with the n900 , some wired things Apr 16 19:11:41 asking for any help Apr 16 19:11:52 N900evil: i saw something in the repository Apr 16 19:11:59 but not remember Apr 16 19:12:16 hmm but i think was not a status bar Apr 16 19:12:19 wifi-eye - that's just a lister aiui Apr 16 19:14:35 [N900evil]: Isn't the wifi-icon changing with strength? Apr 16 19:14:43 Or have I just imagined that o.O Apr 16 19:15:27 ToJa92: i think thats your imagination. wish it did. Apr 16 19:15:47 I barely use Wifi anyway... Apr 16 19:16:03 Only when I want to SSH my N900 Apr 16 19:16:11 otherwise my 3.5G connection is faster Apr 16 19:16:25 mece: http://pastebin.com/gEmkRWXR Apr 16 19:16:34 3.5 is surprisingly fast Apr 16 19:16:37 ops, dont need the set_property on hbox Apr 16 19:16:43 LOOOL one of my cats is sleeping with her back foot in her mouth, making whistling noises! Apr 16 19:16:43 and you can ssh over it. Apr 16 19:17:11 I am in the shed - 30m from my ap - through 2 really thick walls. Apr 16 19:17:15 [C-S-B-N900]: I'm too lazy to try it, maybe I should do that.... Apr 16 19:17:19 mece: the win! Apr 16 19:17:23 watching the sunset Apr 16 19:17:34 mece: pics! Apr 16 19:17:41 just took one. hold up. Apr 16 19:18:04 ToJa92: you can tunnel through dns to use fon APs for free to. :) Apr 16 19:18:17 uh, mece: it should be a gtk.HBox in that pastebin and you dont need the set_property.. but yeah :P Apr 16 19:18:34 yeah I got it, thanks. It was pretty simple after all :D Apr 16 19:19:31 yeah Apr 16 19:19:43 once i got over i couldnt use gtkradiobutton it just worked :P Apr 16 19:20:39 where are the cat pics? Apr 16 19:20:46 sorry sorry coming up. Apr 16 19:20:56 [C-S-B-N900]: Can't connect to my N900.... unless I do something wrong :( I guess I just can't connect as usual through SSH? Apr 16 19:21:12 :) Apr 16 19:21:36 ToJa92: try a reverse tunnel? Apr 16 19:22:12 Don't have a SSH server on my computer unfortunately... :( Apr 16 19:22:31 I run W7 Apr 16 19:22:36 http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/surgery.png Apr 16 19:23:18 http://share.ovi.com/media/mece.public/mece.10360 Apr 16 19:24:47 mece your cat is awesome. whats his/her name? Apr 16 19:25:07 We call her nala but her real name is Karma Chameleon Apr 16 19:25:11 a CPU frequency changing app, awesome! Apr 16 19:25:20 hahaha Apr 16 19:25:32 * MohammadAG_ waits for complaints to Nokia about dead N900s Apr 16 19:25:35 [MohammadAG_]: Sounds awesome indeed Apr 16 19:36:27 Hi. How do I launch a new terminal window that does a ping? Tried > osso-xterm "ping 1.2.3.4" but it opened a window then closed it Apr 16 19:37:37 chadi: you need to be root for the network tools Apr 16 19:38:21 fine: > osso-xterm "sudo ping 1.2.3.4" == same behavior Apr 16 19:38:36 opens a terminal then directly closes it Apr 16 19:38:38 chadi: ctrl+shift+x will load a terminal. Apr 16 19:39:11 I want to do that througha command Apr 16 19:39:46 can you explain differently, i dont understand. Apr 16 19:39:49 sorry Apr 16 19:39:55 sudo doesn't work like you expect Apr 16 19:40:18 at least on my n900 it does nothing. just exits with code 0 Apr 16 19:40:32 and looks like it did something Apr 16 19:41:01 C-S-B-N900: the idea is that I'm trying to do what this tutorial suggests: http://www.themaemo.com/howto-launch-a-terminal-app-from-a-shortcut/ Apr 16 19:41:51 chadi: "" correct? try without them Apr 16 19:41:58 and the app is specifically a ping, in order to use the SSH server (you know, wifi in power saver mode kind of disconnects the wi-fi Apr 16 19:42:19 johnsq one moment Apr 16 19:42:50 johnsq: so osso-xterm sudo ping 1.2.3.4 == also fail Apr 16 19:43:56 chadi: depends on your AP - works just fine here Apr 16 19:44:22 chadi screen and background it? Apr 16 19:44:54 sudo ping 1.2.3.4 & Apr 16 19:45:08 you wont see it, but do you need to? Apr 16 19:45:17 or screen sudo ping 1.2.3.4 Apr 16 19:45:33 chadi: just put it in a script and run the script with osso-xterm Apr 16 19:45:46 * MohammadAG_ wonders why sudo works for everything here Apr 16 19:45:56 Or turn your powersaving mode to 'medium' from 'high' or 'none' from medium Apr 16 19:46:03 MohammadAG_: got root? Apr 16 19:46:04 not sure which package enabled it (not rootsh) Apr 16 19:46:14 chadi: i thried that and it works Apr 16 19:46:21 C-S-B-N900, everyone has root... Apr 16 19:46:34 It was a joke... Apr 16 19:46:41 :p Apr 16 19:46:55 s/thried/tried/ Apr 16 19:46:56 spliffy meant: chadi: i tried that and it works Apr 16 19:47:51 http://pastebin.com/4jkYWbqD Apr 16 19:47:56 sudo works here ^ Apr 16 19:47:57 spliffy: yea I read the script part in the comments of that page, but I am trying to understand why this doesn't work Apr 16 19:48:03 don't ask me how Apr 16 19:49:11 i don't understand it either. i tried osso-xterm "sleep 5" and that works. must have something to do with permissions? Apr 16 19:49:12 146 pages! Apr 16 19:49:19 one of these packages enables it http://pastebin.com/3ydt5xZS Apr 16 19:49:46 spliffy yeah exactly; the example suggests top, so osso-xterm top would also work Apr 16 19:49:51 Weeee, Oakland boatshow time Apr 16 19:50:35 MohammadAG_: it works. i see the behaviour i decribed when i'm root already and forgot that Apr 16 19:51:02 it's irritating Apr 16 19:51:07 spliffy, I ran it as user Apr 16 19:51:32 like osso-xterm "sudo ping xy" ? Apr 16 19:51:44 * frals slaps lcuk with some bacon Apr 16 19:51:51 * lcuk giggles Apr 16 19:52:03 thanks for reminding me once again im bloody hungry Apr 16 19:52:13 np! Apr 16 19:52:20 someone has to make sure your eating properly Apr 16 19:52:40 spliffy, http://pastebin.com/sSzFnyi2 Apr 16 19:52:45 is there a simliar "usb port coming off N900 problem" for other nokia products? Apr 16 19:52:59 I just got an n97 mini as well for someone and wanna know Apr 16 19:53:00 frals, tracy tries Apr 16 19:53:16 MohammadAG_: go to your terminal, and there, issue > osso-xterm "sudo ping xy" Apr 16 19:53:26 that's what we're trying to say Apr 16 19:53:29 lcuk: i should tell her about slapping you with bacon then ye? Apr 16 19:53:29 frals, did you eat in NRC cafe? Apr 16 19:53:32 MohammadAG_: yeah. this is not really the problem. when you combine that call with osso xterm it's not working Apr 16 19:53:42 ~ $ osso-xterm "sudo ping xy" Apr 16 19:53:43 ~ $ Apr 16 19:53:44 well, $ is a dollar sign Apr 16 19:53:47 cafe? the restaurant downstairs? Apr 16 19:53:49 her love for me does not extend to making bacon often Apr 16 19:53:50 LOL Apr 16 19:53:52 i have to make it myself Apr 16 19:53:54 yeah Apr 16 19:53:56 yeah Apr 16 19:54:08 what was main dish on the day you were there? Apr 16 19:54:16 err no clue lol Apr 16 19:54:32 :D Apr 16 19:54:34 i played it safe and went where the queue was the longest == burgers Apr 16 19:54:37 :D Apr 16 19:54:43 hehe Apr 16 19:54:53 i had great food all week Apr 16 19:54:58 * MohammadAG_ is tempted http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=614004#post614004 Apr 16 19:55:06 until the friday when i accidentally a whole fish Apr 16 19:55:19 :D Apr 16 19:57:03 spliffy: I think adding & at the end can make it work without the terminal opening Apr 16 19:57:15 * lcuk stops posting Apr 16 19:57:20 it actually sends the ping, but let me try again to confirm Apr 16 19:58:28 no it doesn't Apr 16 19:58:49 how about: sudo gainroot && ping 192.168.1.2 Apr 16 19:59:37 lcuk, are you bored? commenting on the mega thread :) Apr 16 19:59:42 heh Apr 16 19:59:50 Noobmonk3y, which mega thread? Apr 16 19:59:56 i would use a script Apr 16 20:00:00 just amused at how big it is Apr 16 20:00:16 nice, someone made a 20min walkthrough of fMMS Apr 16 20:00:19 1.2 :) Apr 16 20:00:23 spliffy: it worked :/ osso-xterm "sudo ping -c 5 1.2.3.4" Apr 16 20:00:23 :) frals Apr 16 20:00:30 I had to add the -c Apr 16 20:00:34 and i pushed 5 versions from he started recording it until he was done lol Apr 16 20:00:46 frals, its a damn sight better than the 4 hour walk through of the original command line version Apr 16 20:00:52 lol Apr 16 20:00:59 Noobmonk3y, stop highlighting me Apr 16 20:01:02 1.2 :) Apr 16 20:01:04 :P Apr 16 20:01:07 haha Apr 16 20:01:12 chadi: hm, true Apr 16 20:01:13 lol!!! Apr 16 20:01:17 interesting Apr 16 20:01:19 highlighting? Apr 16 20:01:24 * lcuk twiddles thumbs till luke is done at the concert Apr 16 20:01:27 spliffy I wonder why Apr 16 20:01:41 Noobmonk3y, irc clients allow highlighting certain keywords Apr 16 20:01:49 cool Apr 16 20:01:50 mine flashes red when someone says "bacon" Apr 16 20:01:55 on the n900 tho Apr 16 20:02:03 xchat is xchat Apr 16 20:02:03 bacon? lol Apr 16 20:02:13 do we have a date on pr1.2 yw Apr 16 20:02:16 do we have a date on pr1.2 yet? Apr 16 20:02:20 bacon Apr 16 20:02:21 chadi: mabye it depends on some environment variable Apr 16 20:02:22 i think im gonna have to make an n900 build of classic liqbase Apr 16 20:02:24 C-S-B-N900, yes Apr 16 20:02:36 liqbase? Apr 16 20:02:46 someone should get a screen of a recent release and post in that thread Apr 16 20:02:55 and go "what, it arrived yesterday, didnt you get it?" Apr 16 20:02:56 somebody said pr1.2 Apr 16 20:03:05 C-S-B-N900, some time, at some point in some yearl..... twas pin the tail on the calendar Apr 16 20:03:21 what happens when PR 1.2 is released? Apr 16 20:03:28 world ends Apr 16 20:03:35 you think? Apr 16 20:03:37 chadi .... world peace Apr 16 20:03:37 see the volcano on iceland is just the beginning Apr 16 20:03:39 MohammadAG_, :) Apr 16 20:03:41 next step is PR1.2 Apr 16 20:03:44 then the world ends Apr 16 20:03:49 liqbase is my first linux app Apr 16 20:03:49 oh Apr 16 20:03:53 same as world ends frals ? Apr 16 20:04:07 hi healthcheck maker Apr 16 20:04:27 MohammadAG_, http://liqbase.net/liqbase_classic.html Apr 16 20:04:31 lol!!!! Apr 16 20:04:33 for the n800 n810 Apr 16 20:04:35 hi chadi! Apr 16 20:04:47 spliffy: ping -i 5 -c 5 1.2.3.4 does NOT work :P Apr 16 20:04:48 i wanna be famous like Noobmonk3y! Apr 16 20:04:51 i went on to build libliqbase using the concepts there Apr 16 20:04:55 and its still i nthe shed Apr 16 20:05:02 frals: sorry, you don't have healthcheck Apr 16 20:05:10 :( Apr 16 20:05:21 MohammadAG_, the video is quite enlightening Apr 16 20:05:23 =( Apr 16 20:06:04 lols frals Apr 16 20:06:05 chadi: random busybox weirdness :P Apr 16 20:06:31 * chadi runs to submit that bug :P Apr 16 20:06:32 PR1.2 is released, the world does not end. It just reboots. Apr 16 20:06:41 * lcuk slaps ptl Apr 16 20:06:52 ptl great news! Apr 16 20:06:58 ouch! Apr 16 20:07:01 what for? :( Apr 16 20:07:19 bugs? Apr 16 20:07:22 eeeeeeek Apr 16 20:07:23 I should have used 'when' in the beginning of my phrase. PR1.2 is not released Apr 16 20:07:36 healthcheck is taking over the world, muhahahaha Apr 16 20:07:42 ptl for the world rebooting... that's amazing Apr 16 20:07:45 anybody familiar with gtk and hildon? Apr 16 20:07:52 where do i get PR1.2? Apr 16 20:07:58 I want to go to N900 conferences like Noobmonk3y and get all the chicks Apr 16 20:08:02 frals cant wait to see your download totals when you get it to downloads :) Apr 16 20:08:14 spliffy: first you have to tune your delorean... Apr 16 20:08:18 loll ptl where do ya live? Apr 16 20:08:22 lcuk: have you seen any poultry at the last Maemo Summit? Apr 16 20:08:31 ptl: cool, i was about to do taht anyway Apr 16 20:08:31 Noobmonk3y: Campinas, Brazil! :) Apr 16 20:08:49 anywhere near rio? Apr 16 20:08:58 Noobmonk3y: im curious as well :) Apr 16 20:09:02 the missus whas there in october :) Apr 16 20:09:07 RST38h, ?? Apr 16 20:09:07 recently hit 10k .deb downloads on garage :) Apr 16 20:09:17 wow frals!!! Apr 16 20:09:17 i saw lots of good friends Apr 16 20:09:38 h/c just hit 40k, think you will obliterate that sooon! Apr 16 20:09:39 frals: how's the blackmail income from the feed of incoming images going? Apr 16 20:10:06 SpeedEvil: scch, we werent suppose to tell anyone all MMS's go through my server! Apr 16 20:10:07 I do think healthcheck wont stand much of a chance once fmms goes to extras ;) Apr 16 20:10:28 * SpeedEvil wonders about opera mini. Apr 16 20:10:34 nid0, unless i quickly implement picyure messaging this wkend! Apr 16 20:10:56 Noobmonk3y: about 450km from Rio de Janeiro Apr 16 20:11:01 anyone wondered by how much nokia could have saved worldwide bandwidth by announcing a date for PR 1.2? :P Apr 16 20:11:01 Noobmonk3y: are you coming to Brazil? Apr 16 20:11:07 tis as easy as that isnt it frals, you are just teasing people Apr 16 20:11:10 well, judging by the current idiotic trend on the forums, you might just as well bundle an overclockable kernel and flasher for it into healthcheck Apr 16 20:11:16 probably hit 100k in about 10 mins then Apr 16 20:11:18 hopefully next year :) Apr 16 20:11:37 Noobmonk3y: ive promised myself to just add this last feature and then promote to -testing Apr 16 20:11:44 jesus theres an even longer thread Apr 16 20:11:49 this last feature depending on PR1.2, but should be done in time Apr 16 20:11:54 wasnt that the same promise like 50 features ago? :D Apr 16 20:11:56 Cool, let me know when and at the time we make a Meego conference to show off our newly acquired N990's :D Apr 16 20:12:07 frals please either add a paypal button or mail me you addy when u do! :) Apr 16 20:12:14 agreed Apr 16 20:12:24 nid0: hehe, nah, this has been the initial plan all along more or less actually Apr 16 20:12:33 Noobmonk3y I didn't try healthcheck yet, by the way :P Apr 16 20:12:35 ptl wont it just be an N9? Apr 16 20:12:49 ive had this one big point on my todo list ever since one of first packages... "AUTOMATIC MMS APN CONFIGURATION" Apr 16 20:12:56 or that Apr 16 20:12:57 lol chadi! one day left in testing for v1! Apr 16 20:13:04 maybe N9, with Meego 2.1 with android compatibility Apr 16 20:13:10 since thats wihtout a doubt the biggest problem Apr 16 20:13:11 :) Apr 16 20:13:15 frals: is there a big list of mms apns out there? Apr 16 20:13:26 SpeedEvil: in 1.2 it will be on device :) Apr 16 20:13:29 hows the next version doing Noobmonk3y, is that going to testing as soon as 1 hits extras? :P Apr 16 20:13:34 frals, easy, ask nokia to fly you ov........ oh they have :) Apr 16 20:14:00 nid0, will go in on sunday! other promotes late sat night :) Apr 16 20:14:02 (at least its on pr1.2 SDK :P) Apr 16 20:14:07 Noobmonk3y and the version you are currently working on is in devel? Apr 16 20:14:09 frals: what thread are you refering to on TMO when I select one of the 3 modes in the latest version? Apr 16 20:14:30 chadi one in each repo, latest is only on my phone, hehe Apr 16 20:14:33 ds3: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39737 aka the huge fMMS thread Apr 16 20:14:45 i should probably make that a link at some point Apr 16 20:14:53 heh Apr 16 20:15:03 Noobmonk3y: may I PM you? Apr 16 20:15:05 or just throw the browser in the face of the user on first launch Apr 16 20:15:25 you may! on my phone so i apologise if i am slow to reply Apr 16 20:15:30 oh that one Apr 16 20:15:31 particularly with your healthcheck updates I cant help but wonder again if -testing qa rules about the quarantine time shouldnt be changed... Apr 16 20:15:40 frals: set to auto-thank you for the release post. Apr 16 20:15:44 as it doesnt exactly make fast update turnarounds practical Apr 16 20:15:57 SpeedEvil: awesome idea... *evil grin* Apr 16 20:15:59 nid0, only because i wouldnt promote if i wasnt sure Apr 16 20:16:37 but thats exactly my point - you're now waiting to promote 1.0.0.2 ish to -testing for 1.0.0.0 that was checked as fine over a week ago to go up Apr 16 20:16:58 and cant promote it before then without wiping out 1.0.0.0 and having to start the 10 days again before anything hits extras Apr 16 20:16:59 I'm also noticing that 2/3rds of the packages are in devel or testing. Apr 16 20:20:04 yeah nid0 ! Apr 16 20:20:32 unfortunatley... testing is important and have to stick by the rules for now Apr 16 20:21:14 im sorely tempted to bring up a suggestion on the testing ml to drop the quarantine time by quite a way though Apr 16 20:21:28 nid0, it has been requested Apr 16 20:21:39 not sure what the consensus is Apr 16 20:21:51 um, when/where, I havent seen any proposals about it for quite a while Apr 16 20:22:00 was a few weeks back Apr 16 20:22:23 cant remember if anything was ever decided Apr 16 20:22:44 10 days is a pain if you push updates regularly Apr 16 20:22:49 (i can imagine) Apr 16 20:22:57 nid0, gd point, not since my argument about bugtracker have i raised it Apr 16 20:23:15 frals, h/c is a drug......... :) Apr 16 20:23:41 and off he goes for another shot Apr 16 20:24:13 oooops Apr 16 20:24:20 h/c is a drug Apr 16 20:24:21 closed xchat by accident Apr 16 20:24:23 hard/check? Apr 16 20:24:30 healthcheck lol Apr 16 20:24:30 haha Apr 16 20:26:10 ~ping Apr 16 20:26:11 ~pong Apr 16 20:26:25 did i kill the conversation Apr 16 20:26:29 :) Apr 16 20:26:31 now i know those with dirty minds Apr 16 20:26:47 lcuk, stop talking to yourself! Apr 16 20:28:24 well i obviously thought it and you and chadi did too : Apr 16 20:28:25 :p Apr 16 20:28:43 lol Apr 16 20:29:03 lol, cyall laters Apr 16 20:29:07 gtg! Apr 16 20:29:18 heh Apr 16 20:29:33 misses says hi n bye to u all! Apr 16 20:29:40 bye Noobmonk3y Apr 16 20:29:41 tell her ill see her later Apr 16 20:41:23 guys - what is generating fstab in maemo? Apr 16 20:42:27 init.d/rcS and some glue Apr 16 20:42:38 grep -r fstab /etc Apr 16 20:42:40 or was it event.d ... Apr 16 20:43:07 yeah grep and have fun .. i forgotten since i disabled it and made my own fstab Apr 16 20:44:12 ah - rcS-late Apr 16 20:44:14 thx! Apr 16 20:47:07 hsdpa is just magic Apr 16 21:02:25 ~lart taleo freegin js crap Apr 16 21:02:25 * infobot does a little 'dpkg -P taleo freegin js crap' action Apr 16 21:07:33 pupnik: hsupa is just a nasty powerhog Apr 16 21:08:47 I don't htink hsupa is working where I am :/ Apr 16 21:09:09 but I guess I'd need mdma to see how much upstream I'm allowed to use in the first place Apr 16 21:09:33 my thing says 3.5 with 5 bars.. and im in the woods here :) Apr 16 21:09:41 mdma? ecstasy? Apr 16 21:10:31 http://www.nerve.org.za/mdma/compat.html "assigned profile" Apr 16 21:11:12 * MohammadAG_ wonders when the next bug day is Apr 16 21:11:18 or a testing marathon Apr 16 21:12:09 bug days are irrelevant if the bugfixes ain't released. Apr 16 21:14:55 part 5 of using stylus in the dark) pff.. grr.. it wont fit back in.. - and then realizing it probably wont fit in the headphone jack Apr 16 21:15:53 [red]: Lol Apr 16 21:17:15 I got really worried that my slide had stuck Apr 16 21:17:20 keyboard slide Apr 16 21:17:58 Turned out I'd put the case on the wrong way round - so the 'nokia' logo was at the bottom - and I was consequently holding it upside down Apr 16 21:18:09 i found the problem Apr 16 21:18:15 i've got no idea how to fix it yet Apr 16 21:18:33 hah Apr 16 21:19:41 i mean - it's a hildon related problem Apr 16 21:19:47 and that autocaps on 1st letter Apr 16 21:21:42 autocaps can be toggled, right? Apr 16 21:21:52 iirc Apr 16 21:22:01 yeah Apr 16 21:22:05 you can turn it off Apr 16 21:23:06 its useful for sms Apr 16 21:23:15 dreadful in web forma Apr 16 21:23:19 forms* Apr 16 21:23:45 well, if you write fast I can imagine it's useful... my typing speed is horrible though so I've turned it off Apr 16 21:23:54 it was annoying in web forms, like you said Apr 16 21:24:21 I wish the keyboard were more like my old E71's, it was perfect Apr 16 21:25:35 in layout or switch form? Apr 16 21:26:16 I mostly liked the size and the fact there were some actual impact distance, and you actually heard a pretty loud click Apr 16 21:26:24 some didn't like the small keyboard though Apr 16 21:26:58 jacekowski: (autocaps) aiui it's a property bit to be set on the particular readline() or whatever it's called. No idea about hildon desktop though Apr 16 21:27:12 have you tried an n810 ToJa92 ? Apr 16 21:27:28 nope Apr 16 21:27:39 N900 is my first N-series phone from Nokia actually Apr 16 21:28:23 how come you wonder? Apr 16 21:28:36 worse pressure point Apr 16 21:28:53 i find n900 a significant improvement Apr 16 21:29:02 some (like me) think N810 kbd is magnitudes better than N900's Apr 16 21:29:12 oh Apr 16 21:29:56 well, I can't write nearly as fast with my N900 as I could with my E71 Apr 16 21:30:18 that amazes me DocScrutinizer Apr 16 21:31:00 pupnik: wait another few weeks, I ordered a qwerty keymat Apr 16 21:31:03 ToJa92: It takes some learning. Apr 16 21:31:16 alas even that won't add a 4th row Apr 16 21:31:25 ToJa92: I was at - maybe - 18wpm - then my laptop was down for a week, and I got to around 28 Apr 16 21:31:27 I like the feel of n900 keyboard better, and it has many useful things as blue symbols that n810 keyboard didn't have, but then I like 4 row better Apr 16 21:31:47 ToJa92: I think I can hit 35 or so with another weeks practice in principle. Apr 16 21:32:21 Yeah I guess so.. I was hoping the N900 would have more useful keyboard shortcuts such as Wifi toggle, BT toggle and LED toggle though Apr 16 21:32:54 like the E72 Apr 16 21:33:32 DocScrutinizer, where from? (keymat) Apr 16 21:34:18 hai thar Apr 16 21:35:06 i may asked this before, but how do i update my fennec? Is there a simple solution? Apr 16 21:35:31 you'll need to add a special repository from mozilla Apr 16 21:35:38 I can /msg the details to you Apr 16 21:35:52 yeah, would be cool Apr 16 21:40:08 brb Apr 16 21:52:56 is it just my xterm that sometimes seems to miss-interpret things? for example I wrote leafpad /etc/pmconfig but after I pressed enter it thought I wrote leafpad/etc/pmconfig Apr 16 21:53:16 has anyone successfully replaced busybox with coreutils yet? Apr 16 21:53:29 hey prank call this number 6097134734 Apr 16 21:54:16 CampHappy, reason? Apr 16 21:54:29 I give up. What does HAM stand for? Apr 16 21:55:00 lady is a bitch Apr 16 21:55:38 I see HAM in the overclocking thread a lot. Apr 16 21:55:39 Hildon Application Manager Apr 16 21:55:52 tell her that her son is placing a lawsuit against her Apr 16 21:56:00 lolwut Apr 16 21:56:08 fo psycological abuse Apr 16 21:56:09 Thanks, Speedevil! Apr 16 21:56:16 lol Apr 16 21:56:35 also, not your personal army Apr 16 21:56:58 Ask 4chan. Apr 16 21:57:06 <_llll_> sounds like her son needs to grow up a bit Apr 16 21:57:23 4chan isnt your personal army either Apr 16 22:01:19 aha, didn't you want a nice eclipse help-like maemo docs page Apr 16 22:01:25 http://library.maemodocs.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp there you have Apr 16 22:02:01 woot. impressive. Apr 16 22:03:31 just some css tweaks to make it look a bit more like maemo.org and its perfect! ;) Apr 16 22:04:01 looks pro. will they fool anybody into coding for the platform with it? =) Apr 16 22:04:50 is there a dev channel around? Apr 16 22:05:08 there's #maemo-devel for a little less off-topic stuff Apr 16 22:05:10 #maemo-devel ... but most of us is around in here as well Apr 16 22:06:14 * javispedro congratulates himself for managing to skip the entire repo-dns-akamai temporary fiasco =) Apr 16 22:06:16 I just got my n900 and I want to get rid of busybox Apr 16 22:06:29 javispedro: ... bastard ;) Apr 16 22:06:42 havent found a real good answer on the internets, would be nice to know before I brick it >;) Apr 16 22:06:43 flashn: short answer: you cannot Apr 16 22:07:13 would like the long version tho >:P Apr 16 22:07:50 flashn: you basically need to rewrite all the init scripts Apr 16 22:08:00 flashn: or at least work out which ones bork with bash Apr 16 22:08:00 thats no problem though Apr 16 22:08:23 flashn: plus - a major issue is that bash has a _MUCH_ larger memory footprint. Apr 16 22:08:29 long answer: you probably can, but it requires damn a lot of work it probably does not worth the effort Apr 16 22:08:43 i didnt say I was gonna use bash Apr 16 22:08:49 flashn: An instance of bash uses a large slice of a megabyte. An instance of ash uses 10-20k or so Apr 16 22:09:00 where ash can also be any busybox tool Apr 16 22:09:18 the memory footprint - and indeed startup time - of a busybox tool - can be very low - as it's already in RAM Apr 16 22:09:20 I already use bash Apr 16 22:09:38 yuo can install gnu-tools, and set your path so it finds those first Apr 16 22:09:41 but Im more familiar with zsh Apr 16 22:09:44 but i do not see any good reason why we do not have "real" ps Apr 16 22:09:57 DINGO: Oh, wicked, bad, naughty Zoot! She has been setting alight to our beacon, which, I just remembered, is grail-shaped. It's not the first time we've had this problem. Apr 16 22:10:05 thats a ugly way of doing it Apr 16 22:10:25 pupnik: :) Apr 16 22:10:38 Arkenoi: install gnu-utils Apr 16 22:11:00 its in the repo? Apr 16 22:11:09 yes Apr 16 22:11:31 cool, Ill check it out Apr 16 22:11:32 thanks! Apr 16 22:11:50 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/grep-gnu/2.5.4-4maemo3/ Apr 16 22:11:53 and similar Apr 16 22:13:49 this library is awesome. *drops devhelp* Apr 16 22:16:09 ok, i think i fixed it Apr 16 22:18:41 OMG Apr 16 22:18:44 it's friday today Apr 16 22:19:38 It's already 10 minutes into Saturday over here jace Apr 16 22:38:58 Wow...21 updates today...and no PR1.2...crazy! Apr 16 22:39:16 that seems like an extraordinary amount of updates for no fw update...hmm Apr 16 22:39:46 <_llll_> why would you expect the fw to be related to random packages? Apr 16 22:40:23 I wouldn't. But I update every day, if not checking multiple times per day....for so many updates to come at once, you'd expect a FW update...or maybe for there to have been an issue with the repos. Apr 16 22:43:03 do you have -testing or -devel enabled? Apr 16 22:43:15 both Apr 16 22:43:26 ShadowJK: they usually have. Apr 16 22:43:40 the people who stop by here at least :) Apr 16 22:43:53 i specially love the tmo post where someone requested a "repository where stable applications would be stored" Apr 16 22:44:01 Right. The autobuilder was enhanced to improve compatibility with PR1.1, so several packages that were PR1.2-only would now install on 1.1 too Apr 16 22:44:25 ShadowJK: aahhh, that would cause it I do suppose. So far, only 2 have failed due to PR1.2 deps... Apr 16 22:44:50 make that 3... Apr 16 22:47:18 <_llll_> random packages and the fw are not really related, still dont see why the surprise Apr 16 22:48:36 because of the major updates in libs in PR1.2, A lot of updates in different apps to update to the deps, just logic flow would lead one to believe a lot of app updates at once would indicate the libs are released (ie - a firmware). Apr 16 22:49:35 no longer -- most packages should work across versions. Apr 16 22:50:10 most should...I'm still installing, but so far 3 still won't install because of lib differences. Apr 16 22:50:25 names? Apr 16 22:50:44 "Extended Call Log", "FreOffice", "Mapper" so far. Apr 16 22:50:45 (00:44:27) (Gizmokid2005) ShadowJK: aahhh, that would cause it I do suppose. So far, only 2 have failed due to PR1.2 deps... Apr 16 22:50:58 ukeyboard, sixad Apr 16 22:51:05 is it those one? Apr 16 22:51:14 two* Apr 16 22:52:03 i can't install screen, I get "Package screen is not available, but is referred to by another package." what other package? Apr 16 22:52:17 FreOffice is Qt; Mapper is temporary (fixed one is in temporary autobuilder ... ), Apr 16 22:52:33 Extended Call Log is a hildon update Apr 16 22:52:37 so is Mapper Apr 16 22:52:42 and I know FreOffice is Qt. Apr 16 22:52:50 a "hildon update"? Apr 16 22:53:06 mhm Apr 16 22:53:07 yeah, hildon libs have updated which is the lib that the install is failing on. Apr 16 22:53:32 i think only way to fix caps issue is to disable autocaps in chrome Apr 16 22:54:06 Gizmokid2005: according to my records, extcalllog is fixed. Apr 16 22:54:48 javispedro: not sure what to tell you... 0.3 which is in -devel won't update because of librtcom-eventlogger Apr 16 22:55:01 Gizmokid2005: which is NOT hildon... sigh. Apr 16 22:55:11 Yeah I saw that :( Apr 16 22:55:16 hildon problem is fixed Apr 16 22:55:17 that was a mistake on my part :( Apr 16 22:55:18 sorry Apr 16 22:55:20 all 1.2 problems are fixed Apr 16 22:55:35 Mapper won't update because of "libhildon1" and "libpixman-1-0" Apr 16 22:55:47 seems there was API break between PRs in rtcom-eventlogger, they bumped SONAME. Apr 16 22:56:13 that's problem with a lot of linux apps Apr 16 22:56:22 api is unstable compared to anything else Apr 16 22:56:28 javispedro: not a problem. I'm not complaining, nor worried about the lack of updates. Just stating facts Apr 16 22:56:32 I know it'll be fixed come PR1.2 Apr 16 22:56:44 1.2 is not coming Apr 16 22:56:45 PR1.2!!!!!11eleven Apr 16 22:56:55 noooooo!!!! :( :( Apr 16 22:56:55 Gizmokid2005: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/.fremantletest/maemo-mapper_3.0+beta4/results/ mapper is here. Apr 16 22:57:03 I didn't say it was...just saying it'll be fixed then. Apr 16 22:58:27 javispedro: 3.0+beta2 is what's in -devel. I'm not that worried about updating it now to do a deb install. Apr 16 22:58:32 like I said, just stating facts. Apr 16 22:58:46 you're already using -devel. it's as bad as .deb install. Apr 16 22:58:49 oh wait...beta4 is in the reports Apr 16 22:58:52 *repos Apr 16 22:58:53 wow Apr 16 22:59:18 yes I know...but then I have to either navigate to the url on my phone, or send it to my phone...and with my laziness, neither will happen. Apr 16 23:07:18 joggler got back to its original price :( Apr 16 23:07:43 £359.99 ? Apr 16 23:07:57 :) touché. Apr 16 23:08:09 £99.99 Apr 16 23:13:51 So anyone know in what package I can find screen? Apr 16 23:14:20 yeah Apr 16 23:14:21 screen Apr 16 23:14:34 ( don't tell anyone ) Apr 16 23:14:53 <_llll_> is it even packaged? Apr 16 23:14:57 i can't install screen, I get "Package screen is not available, but is referred to by another package." what other package? Apr 16 23:15:21 jacekowski: I won't tell anyone Apr 16 23:15:31 hmm Apr 16 23:15:33 it's not packaged Apr 16 23:15:50 give 20 minutes Apr 16 23:15:52 and i'll fix it Apr 16 23:15:59 sweet thanks Apr 16 23:16:04 bactually that sounds like it is? Apr 16 23:16:22 <_llll_> sounds like anothr package does "Depends: screen" Apr 16 23:16:54 well, maybe little bit more than 20 minutes Apr 16 23:16:55 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/screen/ Apr 16 23:16:57 yeah Apr 16 23:17:07 so why do we also have documentation for it Apr 16 23:17:12 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/s/screen/ Apr 16 23:17:13 because it will take 20 minutes for me to make chrome package Apr 16 23:17:24 tools repo. Apr 16 23:17:48 <_llll_> woah, there's a tools repo? Apr 16 23:17:57 <_llll_> thanks for nothing maemo wiki Apr 16 23:18:11 that wiki is useless Apr 16 23:18:15 i mean Apr 16 23:18:18 .. Apr 16 23:18:21 there are 5 pages about same thing Apr 16 23:18:33 but every each of that pages has something that other pages don't have Apr 16 23:18:50 but 50% of text is same Apr 16 23:19:37 <_llll_> and all badly written (thanks wikipedia for teaching people how not to write) so you dont want to trust it Apr 16 23:19:59 all badly written? Apr 16 23:21:42 <_llll_> haha, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/screen "this article documents a developer tool" Apr 16 23:22:05 it's true -- it's on the devel repo. Apr 16 23:22:08 s/devel/tools Apr 16 23:22:47 <_llll_> how is screen a developer tool? Apr 16 23:23:41 how is it NOT a developer tool, considering that from the Maemo userbase only developers will use it? Apr 16 23:24:00 i'm using screen Apr 16 23:24:02 <_llll_> wget as well Apr 16 23:24:05 for non development purposes Apr 16 23:24:07 and wget Apr 16 23:24:19 <_llll_> you may as well say firefox is a developer tool Apr 16 23:24:31 google is a developer tool Apr 16 23:24:40 and porn search engine Apr 16 23:24:42 have you read the argument I used? Apr 16 23:24:49 <_llll_> i dindt understand your argument Apr 16 23:24:59 <_llll_> im not a developer, but i use screen every day Apr 16 23:25:14 is it safe to enable pool repo on the device or there is a chance it will fetch some wrong version that will brick the phone? Apr 16 23:25:33 Arkenoi: tool Apr 16 23:25:36 Arkenoi: not pool Apr 16 23:25:39 tools, not pool. stuff there's not optified, btw. Apr 16 23:25:57 Arkenoi: well, you can always unbrick it Apr 16 23:26:36 _llll_: we even have a say for that here: "the exception that proves the rule". Apr 16 23:26:52 *saying Apr 16 23:27:29 besides, optification is evil Apr 16 23:27:45 <_llll_> man-db gets asked for a fair bit in here too Apr 16 23:27:50 packages should go to /opt/bin with their binaries Apr 16 23:27:59 and /opt/bin should be in PATH Apr 16 23:28:11 not like it's now that every binary is symlinker Apr 16 23:28:14 symlinked* Apr 16 23:28:21 but it doesn't matter. the idea of the tools repo is to provide the free stuff that Nokia has used for development and testing to third party developers. they somehow used screen, but did not consider it a package fit for the base system repository, thus tools repo. Apr 16 23:28:46 <_llll_> basically my point is that it's a confusing name, and the wiki does not direct anyone to its existance Apr 16 23:28:55 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 Apr 16 23:29:07 it's not defined enough there? change it then. Apr 16 23:29:23 <_llll_> how would anyone have known that page was there? i certainly didny Apr 16 23:29:37 _llll_: well I found it following the link you gave me minutes ago Apr 16 23:29:43 j #highaltitude Apr 16 23:29:51 ops Apr 16 23:30:02 <_llll_> yes, and i only found that when someone mentione d"tools repository" in here Apr 16 23:30:14 <_llll_> i dont trhink "tools repository" is mentioned anywhere else Apr 16 23:30:16 <_llll_> confusing Apr 16 23:31:23 I am trying to import contacts into my N900. I have an "Outlook format" CSV file called contacts.csv . I can see the file with xterminal. It is world-readable. But the Maemo Contacts app just doesn't list the file when I try to select it. Is there some special name the file must have? Is there some other format I need? Apr 16 23:32:19 yeah Apr 16 23:32:21 vcard Apr 16 23:32:47 _llll_: "screen maemo" in google links to that page. Apr 16 23:32:50 maemo3 chrome just got uploaded Apr 16 23:33:11 jacekowski, Thanks, I'll try that. Apr 16 23:37:46 jacekowski, That fixed my problem. Thanks again, that saved a lot of typing. Apr 16 23:45:14 frals #maemo-ui is thata way >> Apr 16 23:45:27 lcuk: yeah im there ;) Apr 17 00:03:01 does anyone know how to clear the "preloading" images that appear before the actual application is loaded? It's pretty much a screenshot that is on top of the application which is loading.... Apr 17 00:23:57 jacekowski: any luck porting screen to maemo repo? Apr 17 00:28:49 I've got screen installed Apr 17 00:28:54 try apt-get install screen Apr 17 00:32:48 same error Apr 17 00:35:10 hi all Apr 17 00:37:29 it's in the tools repo Apr 17 00:37:39 and works fine Apr 17 00:42:54 I only see # Extras repository for community applications Apr 17 00:42:54 # Extras Testing repository for testing of stable community applications Apr 17 00:42:56 # Extras Development repository for testing of unstable community applications Apr 17 00:43:03 hi all Apr 17 00:43:17 No #Tools repository Apr 17 01:31:07 I thought n900 used arm, what's this armel ? Apr 17 01:46:20 dima202: they are arm chips, armel refers to binaries compiled for arm's eabi Apr 17 01:47:12 iirc it's an arm cortex a8 Apr 17 01:59:02 who here remembers where microb caches flv Apr 17 02:05:44 lsof isnt making me smarter Apr 17 02:06:13 microb has a button to clear cache Apr 17 02:06:21 something like clear private data Apr 17 02:12:43 pupnik: looks like ~/MyDocs/tmp/Flash$x Apr 17 02:12:53 where $x is a random string Apr 17 02:13:29 Elleo: I think thats clears stuff up a little Apr 17 02:14:23 dima202: basically anything newer target at stuff newer than an arm4t is likely to be armel as far as debian packages are concerned Apr 17 02:14:56 anything pre EABI support debian labels as simply "arm" architecture Apr 17 02:15:22 s/newer target/targetted/ Apr 17 02:15:30 ok, I understand, thanks Elleo Apr 17 02:15:45 no problem :) Apr 17 02:21:29 ty also Elleo Apr 17 02:21:36 no worries Apr 17 02:35:49 did youtube break flash video for mplayer? i am getting maybe 8 frames, then playback stops Apr 17 02:52:19 they've added ads before the video itself recently Apr 17 02:52:24 that might be causing issues Apr 17 02:54:30 i have to reboot to check Apr 17 02:58:15 do you see problems with them pronto ? even in browser they seem to hang after a few frames Apr 17 02:58:34 for what? the n900 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 17 02:59:56 2010