**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 18 02:59:57 2010 Apr 18 03:40:02 trying to install the sdk on the latest ubuntu x68_64 i get fatal error: Apr 18 03:40:08 http://pastebin.ca/1865797 Apr 18 03:41:09 i know its not supported on 64 bit but it gives you the option to do so ... :P Apr 18 03:53:55 Gh0sty: seriously, what part of "not supported" is it you have trouble with? Apr 18 03:54:03 is it "not", or "supported" Apr 18 03:54:07 ? Apr 18 03:57:31 lol Apr 18 03:59:26 crashanddie, yo. Apr 18 03:59:33 yo GAN900, wassup? Apr 18 04:00:11 crashanddie, drinking port and watching Remember the Titans on TV. Apr 18 04:00:23 Going back to SF tomorrow. Apr 18 04:00:26 hehe, nice Apr 18 04:00:29 SF? Apr 18 04:00:32 Watchadoingthere? Apr 18 04:00:51 Segway tour Apr 18 04:00:54 and something else Apr 18 04:01:22 My dad is out here, so we're doing touristy stuff since Nokia was nice enough to fly me out. Apr 18 04:02:35 hehe Apr 18 04:19:46 LiraNuna: don't know, looking at the generated assembly code is required, maybe intrinsics got miscompiled Apr 18 04:24:06 ssvb, http://pastie.org/private/dxvziaji0afzls8bxnysa Apr 18 04:25:09 the lookup doesn't make much sense Apr 18 04:33:46 LiraNuna: are you sure you want to use vld2 instruction (it splits even and odd bytes into different registers, deinterleaving the data)? Apr 18 04:34:56 LiraNuna: in any case, gcc generated a horribly slow code here (with lots of unnecessary memory reads/writes) Apr 18 04:35:19 LiraNuna: I'll try to compile it now to see where it fails Apr 18 04:53:42 Anyone here get syncevolution tasks syncing - evolution two-synce with n900 using syncevo-http-server? Apr 18 04:53:56 err two-way sync Apr 18 04:54:34 contacts and calendar work fine Apr 18 04:59:40 LiraNuna: looks like this code works correctly, VTBL just reverts the effect of VLD2 Apr 18 05:01:24 LiraNuna: VLD2 deinterleaves data (even bytes go to one register upon loading, odd bytes go to the other), and VTBL just interleaves it back Apr 18 05:03:55 LiraNuna: regarding bad performance, there is a bug about it already: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=43118 Apr 18 05:03:57 Bug 43118: was not found. Apr 18 05:07:14 povbot: you need to stop just looking for show_bug.cgi?id=xxx Apr 18 05:07:16 crashanddie: Error: "you" is not a valid command. Apr 18 05:07:30 show_bug.cgi?id=123 Apr 18 05:07:51 http://test.com/show_bug.cgi?id=123 Apr 18 05:07:52 Bug 123: Dialogs will be transparent as soon as tiping on the top bar Apr 18 05:08:01 ://test.com/show_bug.cgi?id=123 Apr 18 05:08:08 ://test.com/show_bug.cgi?id=124 Apr 18 05:08:17 http:///show_bug.cgi?id=124 Apr 18 05:08:24 http://f/show_bug.cgi?id=124 Apr 18 05:08:25 Bug 124: Suggestions for bugzilla Apr 18 05:08:30 lmao Apr 18 05:27:15 bug 124 Apr 18 05:27:16 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124 Suggestions for bugzilla Apr 18 05:29:35 So like, do you know of any sane project that uses intrinsics? :P Apr 18 05:30:11 There's a reason performance critical projects like ffmpeg all use handwritten inline assembly and not intrinsics :D Apr 18 05:35:55 LiraNuna: VLD2 deinterleaves data (even bytes go to one register upon loading, odd bytes go to the other), and VTBL just interleaves it back Apr 18 05:35:57 ooooh Apr 18 05:36:03 that's why I was going insane Apr 18 05:36:39 well thing is, there's nothing in intrinsics to get a u/int8x8x2 from anything but vld2 Apr 18 05:39:52 ssvb, the intrinsics are not as powerful as the assembly, which is really sad Apr 18 05:40:47 ShadowJK, that's cause the NEON intrinsics are annoying Apr 18 05:40:51 I'm trying em now Apr 18 05:42:06 What's wrong with the NEON intrinsics? Apr 18 05:42:55 liranuna: no it's because gcc makes a mess out of them, even on x86 :) Apr 18 05:43:09 ShadowJK, SSE intrinsics are very pleasant to use Apr 18 05:43:24 and GCC does amazing job at optimizing SSE intrinsics Apr 18 05:43:30 better than ICC's Apr 18 05:53:57 Hehe, some ass at Apple is going to be whipped Apr 18 05:54:32 Lost what looks like an iPhone 4G proto at some San Jose bar Apr 18 05:56:25 lol oh shit Apr 18 05:58:34 In related news, the iPhone shed its usual shiny frame, got some buttons, and now looks more like a Zune Apr 18 05:58:45 (if it is indeed an iPhone of course :)) Apr 18 05:59:39 soooo thats what i found at the bar tonight :D Apr 18 06:00:03 and here i thought it was a 4 gramme paper weight ;) Apr 18 06:01:34 lol Apr 18 06:12:13 Morning, all Apr 18 06:13:27 Hi Apr 18 06:14:14 morn jafa Apr 18 06:15:07 how's sweden so far? Apr 18 06:18:12 Stskeeps: Migraine yesterday; planning brunch - and maybe shopping for a new jumper - today. Apr 18 06:18:25 Missing Joggler hackery, wife & children. Apr 18 06:18:39 And just remembered that today is MWKN day Apr 18 06:19:59 Jaffa: i'm supposed to fly up north tuesday but seriously wondering if i can go (and if i'll be stuck) Apr 18 06:20:21 Stskeeps: We've got return flights booked for Tuesday, but I'm thinking we might have to look at the train option Apr 18 06:20:50 also possible to take train to esbjerg, denmark and ferry to UK Apr 18 06:21:00 Stskeeps: Yeah Apr 18 06:21:27 * Jaffa 's looked at hire car, but none available in Stockholm until Tuesday (and quite pricey) and a 19 hour drive Apr 18 06:21:37 considering eurostar being clogged Apr 18 06:21:44 * Jaffa nods Apr 18 06:22:20 my wife suggested a roadtrip to helsinki, but i'd really like to spare her for that Apr 18 06:22:34 (she would be only driver) Apr 18 06:23:05 that'd be via denmark or via estonia? Apr 18 06:23:41 estonia, denmark is difficult path Apr 18 06:23:52 what's going on? :P Apr 18 06:23:59 another meet of some sort? Apr 18 06:24:01 rm_you: volcano ash cloud Apr 18 06:24:11 ah Apr 18 06:24:12 crazy Apr 18 06:24:14 which one Apr 18 06:24:18 * rm_you looks at news Apr 18 06:24:22 and no, just usual business trips gone madly wrong Apr 18 06:24:25 the iceland one Apr 18 06:24:40 * Jaffa is beginning to run low on prescription drugs as well Apr 18 06:24:55 ack Apr 18 06:25:01 Jaffa: got the prescription along? Apr 18 06:26:08 Stskeeps: Nope; nor the boxes. I know what they are and will take the empty packets if necessary. Amitriptyline I can eke out for a few more days and gradually reduce to zero. Cocodamol can use over-the-counter normal strong painkillers Apr 18 06:27:44 * ShadowJK wonders if a pack of 10 aspirin is "strong painkillers" in Sweden Apr 18 06:28:03 well fuck Apr 18 06:28:11 ShadowJK: I should probably check :-) Apr 18 06:28:20 (extrapolating the development in .fi and taking into account that sweden is usually 10-20 years ahead of .fi) Apr 18 06:28:27 that sounds like a seriously #*($ed situation over there right now T_T Apr 18 06:28:42 rm_you: Last time it erupted (in ~1880) it went on for 2 years! Apr 18 06:28:53 * Jaffa wondered how the economy coped with flight disruptions then... Apr 18 06:28:56 lol Apr 18 06:29:15 yeah i'm sure they all had horrible trouble not being able to use their airplanes Apr 18 06:29:18 Jaffa: there's a reason there were no planes until the 1900s! Apr 18 06:29:20 :P Apr 18 06:33:17 Jaffa: you could easily drive from Sweden to the UK Apr 18 06:33:20 Jaffa: takes about 8hj Apr 18 06:33:24 8h Apr 18 06:33:51 crashanddie: Google Maps says 19; but that's ferry at Dover<->Calais. Apr 18 06:34:16 crashanddie: Not sure company'll sign off on a 1500 quid hire car (quite yet) Apr 18 06:34:34 1500? lolwut Apr 18 06:34:56 crashanddie: Need a company which can pick up in Stockholm and drop off in London Apr 18 06:35:17 http://www.seat61.com/Sweden.htm is quite interesting on "How to travel between UK & Sweden without flying" Apr 18 06:36:04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v24rwzXFarE Apr 18 06:36:06 this isn't real is it? Apr 18 06:37:00 crashanddie: ok so not supported means like "it just does not work" Apr 18 06:37:03 LiraNuna: entirely possible to hack that Apr 18 06:37:11 then why do they allow to install it still :P Apr 18 06:37:22 but that video is a concept, not an actual code? Apr 18 06:37:24 Gh0sty: no, not supported means: Don't fucking come and ask for help if it doesn't work Apr 18 06:37:28 I was thinking not supported meanth: it might work or not :P Apr 18 06:37:52 Jaffa, wouldn't train be more sensible than car? Apr 18 06:37:54 just a pitty everything is 32 bit :( Apr 18 06:38:12 i mean seriously all my systems are now 64 bit ... Apr 18 06:38:35 I'm with Gh0sty on that one Apr 18 06:38:43 64bit support should exist Apr 18 06:38:47 ShadowJK: indeed Apr 18 06:39:04 but ok fair enough i set up a vbox with a 32 bit install just for it ... :/ Apr 18 06:39:07 ShadowJK: But as Stskeeps points out - Eurostar's booked up Apr 18 06:39:09 scratchbox is a bitch on 64-bit Apr 18 06:39:16 works for me(TM) Apr 18 06:39:25 but I don't use scratchbox Apr 18 06:39:36 I use qemu-static-arm + GCC 4.5.0 Apr 18 06:39:37 Jaffa, oh I meant using train to get to/from port instead of car Apr 18 06:40:08 why they dont provide immediatly a virtual appliance Apr 18 06:40:10 lets say Apr 18 06:40:11 ShadowJK: Ah, true. Apr 18 06:40:16 Gh0sty: For Maemo? They do Apr 18 06:40:25 of really? Apr 18 06:40:26 where? Apr 18 06:40:33 Gh0sty: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Apr 18 06:40:34 overlooked that Apr 18 06:41:12 * Jaffa been quite impressed with it: upgraded it to PR1.2, installed nokia-apps and pared down the disk space to get it onto an 8GB USB stick (for an event I then couldn't make!) Apr 18 06:44:44 Jaffa: just asked a quote for a car rental: pickup in sweden, dropoff in australia xD Apr 18 06:44:55 does not compute :( Apr 18 06:45:05 crashanddie: Heh Apr 18 06:47:28 Jaffa: just wondering (now i'm probably going to ask a stupid question) but what is scratchbox and how can you do without it? :/ Apr 18 06:48:01 just tried to install the sdk from the regular installer and such, only trying to understand it a bit first :P Apr 18 06:48:33 as said i'm not really a developer and just bought the device a week ago :) Apr 18 06:49:19 what do you intend to develop? Apr 18 06:49:24 should have gone to that maemo summit last year ... but could not make it dammit! :/ Apr 18 06:49:27 maybe better to get MADDE Apr 18 06:49:52 not sure was thinking to poke around in some currently existing applications Apr 18 06:50:08 trying to do some simple stuff to start with like change the gui a bit :p Apr 18 06:50:28 mm, prolly need sb then Apr 18 06:50:42 sb? madde? Apr 18 06:51:07 scratchbox Apr 18 06:51:17 * Gh0sty feels complete noob :P Apr 18 06:53:01 ok better start off with the non-noob way Apr 18 06:53:07 documentation here i come! Apr 18 07:05:22 Jaffa: Qantas has cancelled all flights to Europe until Tuesday afternoon Apr 18 07:05:39 and they are "Not optimistic about resuming flights on Tuesday" Apr 18 07:06:58 yeah saw some reports yesterday Apr 18 07:07:13 about some new ash cloud coming on tuesday Apr 18 07:07:16 or something Apr 18 07:07:23 so its not over yet Apr 18 07:07:29 erhm... Apr 18 07:07:33 It's the same cloud Apr 18 07:07:47 I mean, the clouds haven't stopped forming -- the eruption is still ongoing Apr 18 07:07:57 makes you think ... we with all our technology still get beaten by a simple nature fenomena :) Apr 18 07:08:11 well, satellites can be used to locate the clouds Apr 18 07:08:22 crashanddie: ah i tought it was with intervals ... Apr 18 07:08:54 they are already talking about a new financial crisis now ... Apr 18 07:09:14 cause that will cost a lot of money those problems Apr 18 07:09:30 and ofcourse they are going to try and put that on the government Apr 18 07:09:56 so basicly everyone will be funding the people who are on vacation right now through the social system :P Apr 18 07:10:12 of course not Apr 18 07:10:26 and travel isn't only for holiday Apr 18 07:10:45 what do you think that aircompanies are going to pay themselves? Apr 18 07:10:59 they already asked to get it recognized as a nature disaster Apr 18 07:10:59 ever heard about insurance? Apr 18 07:11:12 so they get it back from insurance ... aka the government Apr 18 07:11:13 and natural disaster unlocks insurance claims Apr 18 07:11:19 yes ok Apr 18 07:11:22 mail system is going to be pretty screwed Apr 18 07:11:30 and they are saying here the employees at the aircompanies Apr 18 07:11:50 are probably going to be put on "temporal unemployment" Apr 18 07:12:05 which means as much as ... we have to pay their unemployment fees :p Apr 18 07:13:08 Gh0sty: where do you live? Apr 18 07:14:12 wasnt it you i talked about yesterday night? :p Apr 18 07:14:14 belgium Apr 18 07:14:23 hmm, indeed Apr 18 07:14:25 urgh Apr 18 07:14:27 I suck with nicknames, sorry Apr 18 07:14:28 i talked at* Apr 18 07:14:32 hehe :p Apr 18 07:14:35 talked to :P Apr 18 07:14:40 hrm Apr 18 07:14:45 talked to **** Apr 18 07:14:53 i'm only half awake Apr 18 07:15:06 spent the better half of the night trying that sdk to install :p Apr 18 07:15:13 stupid 32 bit stuff :p Apr 18 07:16:13 you gotta do something at night if you can't sleep much due to medication ... :/ Apr 18 07:16:34 hope the airlines are ok again in june Apr 18 07:16:41 planning to go to red hat summit in june Apr 18 07:16:47 hi uhm... is it normal that, every time is use the n900's skype, my info in skype is deleted when i power up my normal skype-client after that? Apr 18 07:17:01 nope Apr 18 07:17:18 mikki-kun: did you put the information in the n900? Apr 18 07:17:28 well, i put Apr 18 07:17:39 well, i put it into both Apr 18 07:17:41 mikki-kun: the n900, due to its "always on" status, has write-priority over other clients Apr 18 07:17:51 cool Apr 18 07:17:54 hey Apr 18 07:17:56 ohhh Apr 18 07:17:57 oh yes and I by accident deleted the facebook widget from my n900 home screen ... and can't find it back anywhere in the applications to install / installed either :P Apr 18 07:18:01 uhm, but why?! Ö.ö Apr 18 07:18:23 mikki-kun: I don't know, some bug in Skype Apr 18 07:18:29 hmpf... Apr 18 07:18:40 hit the guys from skype rather :P Apr 18 07:18:58 mikki-kun: did you remove their contacts in Contacts? Apr 18 07:19:04 it's just annoying as it's really f'd up when you are using two accounts in skype Apr 18 07:19:51 Stskeeps: nopes, no accounts, just my user info, regarding where i live and so on... Apr 18 07:20:01 accounts == contacts Apr 18 07:21:35 Gh0sty, do you mean the 'f' weblink or the widget? it's not in the add widget menu? Apr 18 07:21:57 i'd rather be more grateful if i could have it the way that the native skype client on my pc manages my status Apr 18 07:22:13 mikki-kun: maybe because both connections are connected and one of them doesn't set it up right Apr 18 07:22:17 (n900 probably) Apr 18 07:23:14 uhm, i am not simultaneously online Apr 18 07:25:03 hm, weird Apr 18 07:27:32 and some infos can't be set in skype correctly Apr 18 07:27:37 like my language Apr 18 07:27:49 if using the n900's client Apr 18 07:28:00 mikki-kun: skype developed the n900 client Apr 18 07:28:36 well, then i gotta drop 'em a call Apr 18 07:28:59 most annoying prob... no vid-calls Apr 18 07:29:05 not even incoming allowed Apr 18 07:30:08 skype group chat handling is extremely annoying as well, every message there beeps and vibrates just like with private chats Apr 18 07:30:40 ohhh, haven't experienced that before Apr 18 07:31:15 so when there is a group chat with some chatter on it the only way to mute it is to log out of skype Apr 18 07:32:19 lol Apr 18 07:32:25 sounds fun :p Apr 18 07:33:17 hm... seems as if the developers are kind of, either not caring or just not skilled enough Apr 18 07:34:23 nothing personally against them, just if they do release something which is so deeply integrated it should be fully functional and have as many options as the normal skype-client has Apr 18 07:38:30 even skype on other cellphones aren't as featured, though Apr 18 07:45:00 well, i imagined skype being a lil bit more like the normal pc-client on my n900... at least that is what i got out of the advertisments Apr 18 07:46:06 it can be Apr 18 07:47:10 slingr: how do you mean? Apr 18 07:47:45 mikki-kun: i use my skype as i would use a normal phone. Apr 18 07:51:26 I use sip as my normal phone, well I would 100% if work didn't pay 100% of my phone ;) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 18 07:53:18 2010 Apr 18 07:53:33 Split Apr 18 07:54:12 later Apr 18 07:57:09 yup...... Apr 18 07:57:16 good old splits Apr 18 07:57:34 mmm some yummy splits Apr 18 07:57:36 :D Apr 18 07:58:12 w000000000p - HealthCheck V1.0.0-0 Promoted to Extras!! - http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/healthcheck/ Apr 18 08:01:55 Hi, do you know about an IPS or UPS patcher for Maemo? Apr 18 08:02:22 omfg http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcyton_gp-china-2010-fp1-buemi1_sport?start=17 Apr 18 08:03:34 hey noobmonk3y grats on getting to extras :) Apr 18 08:03:52 hehehe! - it gave me the email about 18 minutes after i went to sleep last night ;) Apr 18 08:04:13 takes quite a while updating the posts, pages, screenshots etc! :| Apr 18 08:04:23 you are going to have a mare after each version ;) Apr 18 08:04:29 hehe Apr 18 08:13:50 lcuk, Im pretty sure all you talk about in here is bacon. Apr 18 08:19:51 nooooooooooo Apr 18 08:19:55 dont say bacon............ :| Apr 18 08:21:28 bastards, i havent had breakfast yet! Apr 18 08:21:46 me neither :( Apr 18 08:22:26 bacon in breakfast Apr 18 08:22:33 so the test flight between münchen and frankfurt seems to have gone fine Apr 18 08:22:55 frals: which testflight? Apr 18 08:23:11 checking wheter flying is a nogo or not? Apr 18 08:23:25 yeah, they flew a boeing 737 around to see what happend or something Apr 18 08:23:54 yeah Apr 18 08:24:40 hehe, nice map of the ashcloud... http://met.no/ash/animasjon_1704.gif Apr 18 08:25:34 lol my missus's ex was due to fly to egypt today - i'm hoping he's gone and the ash clowd drifts south ;) Apr 18 08:25:53 hehe Apr 18 08:26:00 frals....... Apr 18 08:26:04 i r confused with that picture Apr 18 08:26:20 whats the date today? and what date is on the top ;eft of that picture? Apr 18 08:26:25 left* Apr 18 08:26:39 its an estimate of the coming 2 days Apr 18 08:26:50 ohhhhhhhhhh - i thought i was behind the times as per usual :P Apr 18 08:26:54 :D Apr 18 08:29:28 right... time for breakfast, ciggy then some L4D2 :D Apr 18 08:30:36 oh whats your steam name? ^^ Apr 18 08:30:56 time to head home i guess... bbl o/ Apr 18 08:31:25 bad habit noobmonk3y Apr 18 08:31:38 what killing zombies, eating bacon or smoking? Apr 18 08:32:05 ooo frals good question i use my bros ( ashe never uses it) - my own one just has CSS on it, not used it in 2 years Apr 18 08:32:09 whats yours, will add ya :D Apr 18 08:32:20 smoking. I actually promote killing zombies and eating bacon. Apr 18 08:32:26 if you search for 'fralsaren' you should find me Apr 18 08:32:39 cool - seeeeeeeee ya on there maybe :P Apr 18 08:32:47 I'll be down as noobmonkey or goldie (my bro) Apr 18 09:17:20 X-Fade: Can https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9752 be RESOLVED? Apr 18 09:17:21 Bug 9752: Autobuilder links against uninstallable libraries Apr 18 09:21:39 hey guys Apr 18 09:22:13 can anyone plz help me remove my confusion about the latest update ? Apr 18 09:22:44 what update? Apr 18 09:22:59 oh crap Apr 18 09:23:18 got used to waiting for it for months Apr 18 09:23:20 * itdock grabs his n900 Apr 18 09:23:58 well i was on tmo and it has this huge thread now which is talking about the fw update thats 16.2 mb, maybe a prereq for pr1.2 Apr 18 09:24:26 if you mean 1.1.1, thats like 2 and a half months old Apr 18 09:25:16 yea, thats my confusion , why is everyone talking about it ... i opened http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php and its has the version that my n900 has Apr 18 09:25:28 y is everyone talking about it Apr 18 09:25:32 where exactly is "everyone" talking about it. Apr 18 09:25:59 wait Apr 18 09:27:05 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44650 Apr 18 09:27:08 check that link Apr 18 09:27:45 ahhh Apr 18 09:27:53 i'm looking at the wrong link !! Apr 18 09:27:53 and how is "everyone" talking about it, that thread's 2 months old, and only has 5 posts in the past 2 weeks Apr 18 09:28:08 i didnt look at the dates :p Apr 18 09:28:29 frals, couldnt find you on steam :P Apr 18 09:28:38 so decided to come back and play with healthcheck Apr 18 09:28:53 you got your promote button at last huh :P Apr 18 09:31:05 noobmonk3y_afk: weird, ill get you a link when i get home Apr 18 09:31:13 lol cool Apr 18 09:31:36 wow holy updates Apr 18 09:31:42 cant launch steam on device and cant be bothered to rdp when im home in 5min ;) Apr 18 09:34:30 Taking the N900 survey was kinda challenging on the n900 browser Apr 18 09:35:38 In the box for comments I did suggest the webmonkeys designing webpages for or about a specific phone should try use said webpages with the phone/device in question :D Apr 18 09:36:17 ShadowJK: next you'll be suggesting that web pages should work on any size of screen. Madness! Apr 18 09:36:43 oh crap, I forgot to put that in comments Apr 18 09:36:53 anyone else have broken maemo extras repo? Apr 18 09:37:06 there was a "How happy are you with the size of N900?" type question Apr 18 09:37:23 and I gave it a 7 because I'd want it to be bigger Apr 18 09:37:53 but how does a happy/nothappy slider convey in what way I'm not happy with the size :) Apr 18 09:38:18 hmmmm my battery is going downhill :| Apr 18 09:38:23 last charge 1083 mAh Apr 18 09:38:47 * haltdef wants useful extended battery Apr 18 09:39:06 the mugen one is very useful :) Apr 18 09:39:12 but the casing is poor :( Apr 18 09:39:13 those are expensive !( Apr 18 09:39:18 noobmonk3y_afk: http://steamcommunity.com/id/fralsaren/home Apr 18 09:39:19 wont get one till it gets a camera cover Apr 18 09:39:38 If you mean more energy in same physical space, you need to wait 5-10 years or so :) Apr 18 09:39:51 100% to 0% then poof, broken back cover isn't it4 Apr 18 09:39:56 or is that sorted? Apr 18 09:40:15 meh steam is on the pc downstairs lol Apr 18 09:40:32 why theree is no PR1.5 beta enable for testers? Apr 18 09:40:37 PR1.2 Apr 18 09:40:48 the 100-0 thing goes away if you boot your n900 when it's not warm Apr 18 09:41:00 or rather, when the battery isn't warm. 20C works Apr 18 09:41:11 Chiku, it is being tested Apr 18 09:41:28 :| Apr 18 09:41:50 firmware is closed licence? Apr 18 09:42:01 lol Apr 18 09:42:07 the missing microsd is a bit annoying, yeah ;( Apr 18 09:42:11 whats that got to do with testing? Apr 18 09:42:11 There's this ad-campaign against smoking Apr 18 09:42:22 * ShadowJK is considering gutting some earbuds for a magnet Apr 18 09:42:26 thing is, they show it everytime I want a cigarette, so they're just reminding me Apr 18 09:42:30 Chiku: or the ones who got it are told not to talk about it, who knows? ;) Apr 18 09:42:32 brb Apr 18 09:42:41 stock battery is just about enough for me Apr 18 09:43:02 could do with double the life, and wouldnt care about double the depth....... Apr 18 09:43:10 just want the casing to be done well Apr 18 09:43:18 could we enable to get firmware code? Apr 18 09:43:30 Chiku, enable what?! Apr 18 09:43:39 any versioning repository ? Apr 18 09:43:54 Chiku, you need to speak english, i assum you mean can you test Apr 18 09:43:57 the answer will be no Apr 18 09:44:03 selected testers as frals kinda said Apr 18 09:44:08 assume* Apr 18 09:44:14 like linux kernel Apr 18 09:44:26 the answer will be no Apr 18 09:44:36 you can download and compile the developping code Apr 18 09:44:38 unless you bastardise it and create PR 1.2 yourself? Apr 18 09:44:56 well Chiku yes, but that would be your version, where would you get the code for 1.2 from? Apr 18 09:45:00 or just read code Apr 18 09:45:02 Chiku: a lot of the components are on maemo.gitorious.org Apr 18 09:45:08 * noobmonk3y_afk smiles Apr 18 09:45:24 where you can dl and compile it yourself Apr 18 09:45:31 hmmmm is it me or is the CSS styling on QT very very intermittent? Apr 18 09:45:35 might not be possible to do OTA upgrade to PR1.2 after doing that thou Apr 18 09:45:42 haltdef, yeah, the original lasts through the day for me as long as nobody tries to bruteforce ssh access :| Apr 18 09:45:45 and as long as the wifi powerconsumption bug doesn't strike Apr 18 09:45:49 haha Apr 18 09:45:51 what about PR1.1.1? can we get the code or there are only bnaries? Apr 18 09:46:05 Chiku, code is available, except for the closed source parts Apr 18 09:46:12 I still keep my old xperia x1 in my bag just in case Apr 18 09:47:40 how many percentage of closed source parts? Apr 18 09:48:30 so maemo has some opensource part and some closed source part? Apr 18 09:48:45 ChanServ, - http://maemo.org/development/sources/ Apr 18 09:49:12 http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_development Apr 18 09:49:18 :D Apr 18 09:49:29 between us we will rule the world frals ;) Apr 18 09:49:32 Chiku: ~43% open parts Apr 18 09:49:35 ;) Apr 18 09:49:47 now if only lcuk would wake up.. hmm Apr 18 09:49:49 BACON! Apr 18 09:49:54 Stskeeps, are you sure its not 42.999? ;) lol Apr 18 09:49:58 Beer-Can Apr 18 09:50:54 nope didnt work :( Apr 18 09:51:54 does android code same strategy? opensource + closed source? Apr 18 09:52:35 does all mer code is open? Apr 18 09:52:51 now, where do i find someone with 1.2 that i can unleash my package on... *glances around* Apr 18 09:53:29 * noobmonk3y shouts BACON again Apr 18 09:53:38 what's with all the pr1.2 discussion? Apr 18 09:53:39 for no reason whatsoever Apr 18 09:53:45 crashanddie, Chiku is learning Apr 18 09:54:08 about meamo and opensource code Apr 18 09:56:44 For those waiting for PR1.2 - http://www.mauve.plus.com/1271538541770.jpg Apr 18 09:56:54 interesting link http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture Apr 18 09:56:55 SpeedEvil: :D Apr 18 09:58:05 Morning Apr 18 09:58:27 thanks SpeedEvil, eased the pain. Apr 18 09:59:32 Chiku: if you want a open system (some closed parts in differentiation and hardware adaptation), meego's your best bet Apr 18 10:01:09 [SpeedEvil]: Haha, that should be posted in every new PR1.2 thread :P Apr 18 10:01:19 moaning MohammadAG Apr 18 10:01:31 yo mo! Apr 18 10:01:49 what will be evolution meamo after fremantle? meamo developpers will use meego? Apr 18 10:02:00 hey noobmonk3y Apr 18 10:02:05 lol C-S-B-N900 Apr 18 10:02:23 ;) Apr 18 10:02:26 Chiku: everything you're asking has been answered multiple times on the mailing lists and forums Apr 18 10:02:35 Chiku: how about you use google or browse the forums for a while? Apr 18 10:02:39 ok Apr 18 10:02:47 :D Apr 18 10:03:00 MohammadAG, used CSS in QT? Apr 18 10:03:21 tbh I've never used either alone lol Apr 18 10:03:40 meh Apr 18 10:11:10 if I break mce Apr 18 10:11:15 what would happen? Apr 18 10:11:19 reboots Apr 18 10:11:22 erm.... Apr 18 10:11:37 i think your pet cat will be safe, not so sure about your n900 Apr 18 10:11:57 eek start: mce pre-start process terminated with status 1 Apr 18 10:12:01 so this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50326 Apr 18 10:12:12 "dont buy nokia/maemo - companies selling software for it might shutdown" Apr 18 10:12:19 lol Apr 18 10:12:28 frals... dont buy any car in that situation Apr 18 10:12:36 and for the love of god dont fly you may get ash up your nose ;) Apr 18 10:15:58 doesn't -9 force kill? Apr 18 10:17:18 ? Apr 18 10:18:04 killall -9 Apr 18 10:18:08 yes -9 is like dropping an abomb on it Apr 18 10:18:21 you cant ignore it and your most likely gonna die Apr 18 10:18:56 frals, I think the abomb has a broken fuse Apr 18 10:19:05 any tactical nuke commands? :p Apr 18 10:19:20 kill -9 isn't killing it Apr 18 10:19:33 Things don't die from it if they're stuck niside the kernel in an undead limbo Apr 18 10:19:35 what state is the process in? Apr 18 10:19:49 how do I check? Apr 18 10:20:30 says D in ps x, not sure what that means Apr 18 10:20:53 blocked waiting for IO Apr 18 10:21:00 it means that it is deadlocked waiting on something that's not happening Apr 18 10:21:11 the process has not run since you issued the kill command Apr 18 10:21:20 so it's not really running Apr 18 10:21:25 actually it crashed mce Apr 18 10:21:37 it's been in D ever since it did that Apr 18 10:21:42 and it's not dying Apr 18 10:22:38 It is not actually running Apr 18 10:22:50 it will not be scheduled again until the IO operation returns. Apr 18 10:22:54 but it's stopping mce from running Apr 18 10:22:57 At which time it will formally die Apr 18 10:23:11 and it needs mce Apr 18 10:23:13 sometimes you just need to reboot Apr 18 10:23:46 suppose mce is borked Apr 18 10:24:01 R&D mode with the wd disabled should allow a reboot right? Apr 18 10:24:12 dunno Apr 18 10:24:22 worst case, pull the battery Apr 18 10:24:38 and if mce's permanently broken? :) Apr 18 10:24:48 you mean if it crashes every boot? Apr 18 10:24:54 yes Apr 18 10:25:06 run it under gdb, work out what it's doing Apr 18 10:25:11 possibly fix the kernel Apr 18 10:25:44 mmk, rebooting Apr 18 10:26:00 meh Apr 18 10:26:15 not having fun with pyqt CSS......... need something else to think about Apr 18 10:27:38 wb Apr 18 10:32:52 ty Apr 18 10:36:50 Television is like an impossible steak, it's rare when it's well done. Apr 18 10:38:57 there's usually an hour of great tv per day on average Apr 18 10:40:33 mavhc: which means it is practically impossible to find among thousands of channels Apr 18 10:41:14 not really, just bittorrent it Apr 18 10:52:32 !ufthansa, Air Berlin protest: government issued ban with NO measurements of whether there WERE dangerous levels of ash over germany http://www.spiegel.de/reise/deutschland/0,1518,689638,00.html Apr 18 10:54:29 Lufthansa sent two test flights from munich to frankfurt with NO signs of ANY damage. Apr 18 10:54:39 * pupnik was right. Again! Apr 18 10:55:03 and how about the finnish f16's? :P Apr 18 10:55:28 f-18s wasnt it Apr 18 10:55:38 they flew through ash Apr 18 10:56:05 the question isnt "can ash do damage". the damn question is "where is it, and how much" Apr 18 10:57:35 lol some guy on the news says the cloud might reach us Apr 18 10:57:46 see the satellite pics Apr 18 10:58:25 The incident with BA, they flew directly into a visible cloud, so yes it feels that its an over reaction this time Apr 18 10:58:44 F-18 Apr 18 10:59:15 correct, Trizt Apr 18 10:59:24 Well, from finland, the sky is gray... I think it is the ash (because those cant be the clouds because , Weather.com said it should be sunny here now :p ) Apr 18 10:59:57 yeah making it to finland looks pretty bad Apr 18 10:59:59 pupnik: test flights?!? All I've read was they transferred planes to their main hub in FFM so that when airspace reopens they are where they should be. And those flights were at very low altitude Apr 18 11:00:21 * pcfe is stuck in MUC and wants to go back home to HEL Apr 18 11:00:45 24000 feet / ~8km and 30000 feet Apr 18 11:01:45 Well even if half a dozen planes were to drop it wouldn't make airtravel statistically less safe than other forms, but you know that if even one plane drops everyone will blame the government for not closing airspace :) Apr 18 11:01:58 pcfe: take the train to sweden and jump on a boat ;) Apr 18 11:02:50 ooh yay, bq27200 completed a learning cycle on the mugen battery Apr 18 11:02:54 *some* people. idiots. infants. Apr 18 11:03:06 frals: looked at that. It's my fallback plan if no dice by Tuesday Apr 18 11:03:24 Last Measured Discharge: 2448mAh Apr 18 11:03:52 yabba: The interwebs can't possibly be wrong :P Apr 18 11:04:12 no, they can't :p Apr 18 11:05:33 And I also think that the ash is lowering the temperatures, there's only about +5C outside, but it should be 10 :/ Apr 18 11:06:06 there was snow this morning (in .fi) Apr 18 11:07:11 * MohammadAG hasn't seen proper snow in four years Apr 18 11:07:29 it appears that chromium is faster than microB, is it true? Apr 18 11:07:49 webkit vs not Apr 18 11:08:48 * Arkenoi tried installing Tear but it just crashes on start Apr 18 11:08:55 and now it is raining, at least water not snow :) Apr 18 11:09:06 chromium is ported on meame? Apr 18 11:12:07 lold, I was tired yesterday, I have stop coding, only problem is that now in the code is line "if data == " and I just hope to find out what I was thinking to put in it. Apr 18 11:12:28 and what's wrong with certificates? seems that it just cannot validate any Apr 18 11:12:41 (it == chromium) Apr 18 11:13:36 * Arkenoi tried installing Tear but it just crashes on start Apr 18 11:13:44 edit the .desktop file Apr 18 11:13:52 remove the icon= part Apr 18 11:14:05 thanks Apr 18 11:14:26 Arkenoi: chjrome is slower for me Apr 18 11:14:47 can i select frame skip in VGBA? Apr 18 11:14:53 as the speed is really slow Apr 18 11:16:47 lmao Apr 18 11:16:52 someone is going to get sacked Apr 18 11:16:54 "Apache Corp accidentally tipped off analysts to their upcoming $2.7 billion deal with Mariner Energy, sending out an email on Wednesday evening to schedule a conference call on the takeover." Apr 18 11:17:18 or someone who was aginst the merger Apr 18 11:17:19 :P Apr 18 11:18:43 * pupnik hates mergers Apr 18 11:18:55 all systems go kablooey Apr 18 11:21:33 http://lotro.ucoz.ru/matrix.html <- some very rough WIP but still cute :D Apr 18 11:21:47 yabba: i've read article about temperatures after 9/11 when they grounded a lot of planes as well Apr 18 11:22:17 yabba: and it apparently dropped a lot because of that Apr 18 11:22:24 wazd1: bring back colour cycling gifs! Apr 18 11:22:36 noobmonk3y, frals wazzup Apr 18 11:22:41 wazd1: does that spell 'h i r e w a z d'? Apr 18 11:22:42 :P Apr 18 11:22:42 jacekowski: however - that was somewhat due to lack of nucleation sites Apr 18 11:22:49 SpeedEvil: wha? :D Apr 18 11:22:51 jacekowski: which is really, really not the case. Apr 18 11:22:59 Stskeeps: no, just OBEY :D Apr 18 11:23:12 lmao I have more free space in / than in /home Apr 18 11:23:31 jacekowski, yeah, I sure about that, but I was thinking more about drop caused ashcloud it self (mirroring sunlight), not polution of planes Apr 18 11:24:09 it mirrors heat both ways Apr 18 11:24:51 lcuk, you fail Apr 18 11:24:55 fail fail fail Apr 18 11:25:01 not even Bacon can wake you up! ;) Apr 18 11:25:25 of course not, yesterday was a long day Apr 18 11:25:44 o/ lcuk Apr 18 11:25:51 kebab roll ordered \o/ Apr 18 11:26:13 i miss being able to pick up the phone and order junkfood Apr 18 11:26:17 jacekowski, I don't really know those things, my enviromental love ended up when Al Gore said that I should stop drive my car (just for fun) Apr 18 11:26:18 i have to learn polish to do that here Apr 18 11:26:18 :P Apr 18 11:26:28 lol Stskeeps Apr 18 11:26:41 my pizzeria actually have an online site to order from as well Apr 18 11:26:44 ah, that too Apr 18 11:26:45 wazd1: color cycling is GIF animation by altering just the pallette per frame. you can do the matrix shot like that almost free. Apr 18 11:26:53 Stskeeps: does that mean you actually eat less junk food? Apr 18 11:26:55 but its +2€ on everything compared to phone :D Apr 18 11:26:56 wazd1: (if the hardware supports pallette maped mode) Apr 18 11:27:03 crashanddie: yes :/ Apr 18 11:27:07 frals: where do you live? Apr 18 11:27:12 yabba: well, that's prove that he's a moron and we can't create any long term effects Apr 18 11:27:14 stockholm, sweden Apr 18 11:27:29 * FredrIQ as well Apr 18 11:27:30 SpeedEvil, you have a point if it does, but afaik i dont think it does Apr 18 11:27:47 * lcuk dares to open email Apr 18 11:27:50 wtf, another n900 owner in stockholm? impossible! Apr 18 11:27:50 SpeedEvil: kthxbye :D Apr 18 11:27:53 Be happy that you have a pizzeria (good one) near you, I live in place where the nearest (good one) is more than 100km away. It is hard, because just few weeks ago the nearest one was just a 400m :( Apr 18 11:28:13 SpeedEvil: this is for Live Wallpapers, no gif animation allowed :) Apr 18 11:28:13 frals: http://mat24.se/ Apr 18 11:28:17 hehe, my pizzeria is about 10m away once i get down the stairs Apr 18 11:28:30 .me wants food Apr 18 11:28:53 crashanddie: didnt know about that site lol, cheers Apr 18 11:29:09 frals: it's the same company that does www.just-eat.co.uk Apr 18 11:29:14 that's how I know it Apr 18 11:29:24 ah Apr 18 11:30:01 mornin crashanddie Apr 18 11:30:12 wazd1, there are no rules Apr 18 11:30:17 FredrIQ: you actually seen any n900 in the wild around sthlm? Apr 18 11:30:18 yabba: you can make your own and slowly improve your technique. it can be fun. Apr 18 11:30:19 nothing is fixed yet Apr 18 11:30:21 morning lcuk Apr 18 11:30:23 in the UK it's especially useful, as you don't need to battle pronouncing farsi dishes with a french accent to a polish bloke over the phone Apr 18 11:30:24 we might get you ani gif support Apr 18 11:30:28 noobmonk3y, didn't you just have food? Apr 18 11:30:33 moin lcuk Apr 18 11:30:36 lol crashanddie Apr 18 11:30:53 nope Apr 18 11:30:55 had a shower tho Apr 18 11:31:03 same thing Apr 18 11:31:06 birthday? Apr 18 11:31:06 :P Apr 18 11:31:14 lcuk: there are, if you have the deadline tomorrow :) Apr 18 11:31:14 lol Apr 18 11:31:23 lcuk: girlfriend's birthday Apr 18 11:31:30 wazd1, :) Apr 18 11:31:49 the cityscape makes an excellent proof of concept Apr 18 11:33:06 pupnik, or I can put my wife do one (or I can do it by myself), but then I had to help her and I'm pretty lazy about doing food today :p Apr 18 11:33:38 I'm pretty lazy <-- there, fixed that for you Apr 18 11:33:57 o_O people have found my first ever liqbase video and someone has reposted the comments etc - tis odd blogrape http://bhbodeezy.com/visual-studio/lcuk-liqbase-overview/ Apr 18 11:34:19 lcuk, wasn't me btw Apr 18 11:34:29 lol MohammadAG Apr 18 11:34:59 i just got a google alert about it and saw comments posted this morning that are ancient Apr 18 11:35:12 lcuk: lol? Apr 18 11:35:51 crashanddie, on that link i just posted Apr 18 11:35:59 lcuk: no yeah I looked at it Apr 18 11:36:06 its a blog, someone has pasted the liqbase video and copied all the YT comments into it Apr 18 11:36:07 are you going to mail the guy? Apr 18 11:36:09 from this morning Apr 18 11:36:17 I think it's automated Apr 18 11:36:34 http://lotro.ucoz.ru/matrix.html <- with widgets Apr 18 11:36:34 if i mail everyone who plays wiv liqbase i would have no fingers left Apr 18 11:36:50 1 down, 9 to go Apr 18 11:36:51 lcuk: this guy is a commercial developer Apr 18 11:36:52 government is just one unnatural disaster after another Apr 18 11:36:55 and crashanddie Apr 18 11:37:20 he also has a c drive Apr 18 11:37:24 lcuk: he says he developed it, and from his site "If there is something that you would like created, and it requires any of these, and if its something not listed, just ask, can probably do it in any language you need. If you can think it BHBodeezy can build it, rather quickly as well and for a fair price." Apr 18 11:37:43 wazd1, that's faster than the live wallpaper demo backgrounds lol Apr 18 11:37:51 someone should replace the demo :p Apr 18 11:38:11 eh crashanddie ? Apr 18 11:38:16 where does he say that about liqbase Apr 18 11:38:29 and even if he did, its open source Apr 18 11:38:31 lcuk: it's just in the about section Apr 18 11:38:34 he can do what he wants Apr 18 11:38:43 lcuk: he says "Overview of the application I've been hacking together" Apr 18 11:38:53 (just a copy from your text, but still) Apr 18 11:39:00 he's taking your credit mate Apr 18 11:39:16 i dont see it Apr 18 11:39:25 http://bhbodeezy.com/visual-studio/lcuk-liqbase-overview/ Apr 18 11:39:29 under the youtube video Apr 18 11:39:33 MohammadAG: that won't be that smooth btw. It's made with some cuts right now Apr 18 11:39:36 "overview of the application I’ve been hacking together for my nokia n810" Apr 18 11:39:45 I'VE Apr 18 11:39:54 yeah thats the test from yt Apr 18 11:39:56 text Apr 18 11:40:05 but he doesn't say he copied it from yt Apr 18 11:40:12 wazd1, err, cuts? Apr 18 11:40:21 there's a difference between copying/pasting, and quoting Apr 18 11:40:28 one gives credit, the other is called plagiarism Apr 18 11:40:35 meh - lets see what he can do with it Apr 18 11:40:35 downside with kebab roll is you cant code while eating it since you need both hands :< Apr 18 11:40:45 MohammadAG: I was too lazy to bind each frame to go exactly 20 px down Apr 18 11:40:58 MohammadAG: so now it's just simple motion tween Apr 18 11:41:38 MohammadAG: LW will have all that stuff and will look like the real thing :) Apr 18 11:41:46 lw? Apr 18 11:41:54 lol wut Apr 18 11:41:55 :P Apr 18 11:41:56 live wp Apr 18 11:41:58 heh Apr 18 11:42:01 i guess? Apr 18 11:42:16 lol @ lolwut Apr 18 11:42:37 * MohammadAG patiently waits Apr 18 11:42:51 i believe there is a gtk animated gif widget somewhere Apr 18 11:43:05 can anyone find it? Apr 18 11:43:11 geekiest wallpaper for geekiest phone I suppose Apr 18 11:43:24 a gtk animated gif midget? Apr 18 11:43:44 crashanddie: no, that's a masturbation with photoshop :D Apr 18 11:44:31 nahhh wazd1 we will have much geekier wallpapers eventually Apr 18 11:44:59 :D animated widget will walk on live background Apr 18 11:45:07 and randomly pickup and move widgets about Apr 18 11:45:10 just to piss you off Apr 18 11:45:14 * RST38h moos evily at wazd and lcuk Apr 18 11:45:17 animated midget * Apr 18 11:45:33 ll Apr 18 11:45:35 RST38h: heya Apr 18 11:45:47 wazd: How are things? Apr 18 11:46:03 RST38h: http://lotro.ucoz.ru/matrix.html :) Apr 18 11:47:21 wazd1: noooooo, not flash Apr 18 11:47:24 not you :((( Apr 18 11:47:47 crashanddie: well, that's just a showcase :) Apr 18 11:48:02 crashanddie: it won't be in flash on the device Apr 18 11:48:06 [wazd1]: Looks awesome Apr 18 11:48:12 well i definitely hope so Apr 18 11:48:56 wazd: !!!! Apr 18 11:49:04 wazd: better than in the movie Apr 18 11:49:08 wazd1: you're awesome, do you think you can transform the N900's screen to become a projector? Apr 18 11:49:39 RST38h: hehe :) Apr 18 11:49:55 [13:31:26] FredrIQ: you actually seen any n900 in the wild around sthlm? Apr 18 11:50:34 crashanddie: I can't transform distant objects :D Apr 18 11:50:39 no, just iPhones, samsung galaxys, and occiounsily (yay my english spelling) a htc phone Apr 18 11:51:18 FredrIQ; but thats for it's just morons living in 08-area Apr 18 12:02:42 i need some volunteers to run 2 commands for me and pm me the output (on device) Apr 18 12:02:43 dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM Phone.Sim.read_hplmn Apr 18 12:02:46 dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM Phone.Sim.get_service_provider_name Apr 18 12:02:59 and then PM me the result as well as your carrier+country please :) Apr 18 12:04:57 nice noobmonk3y you just volunteerd Apr 18 12:05:03 yup Apr 18 12:05:07 just loadin gup the n900 Apr 18 12:05:12 :) Apr 18 12:05:19 so i can copy and not have to type it ;) Apr 18 12:05:52 just gonna paste em back in so i can copy em out ;) Apr 18 12:05:54 dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM Phone.Sim.read_hplmn Apr 18 12:06:00 dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM Phone.Sim.read_hplmn Apr 18 12:06:37 * MohammadAG wonders what that is Apr 18 12:06:51 * lcuk is updating ubumtu Apr 18 12:06:52 hi, how can i remove the dot animation at startup? i want to see the dmesg output while booting O_o Apr 18 12:06:55 Noobmonk3y_: dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM Phone.Sim.get_service_provider_name is the second command Apr 18 12:07:04 MohammadAG: gets some stuff related to operator Apr 18 12:07:21 detective, the dots are not covering the bootlog afaik Apr 18 12:07:29 frals, does it lower my bill? :P Apr 18 12:07:35 you would have to change kernel i believe (or someone more helpful will tell you)( Apr 18 12:07:45 MohammadAG: afraid not ;) Apr 18 12:07:51 you could use jtag and the serial log Apr 18 12:07:53 aww Apr 18 12:08:24 jtag? mh Apr 18 12:08:24 l.a.g Apr 18 12:08:56 * frals waits for lcuk to wake up and have his coffee ;) Apr 18 12:09:18 frals did you get the first lot? Apr 18 12:09:23 good idea whilst machine is slow Apr 18 12:09:31 havent got any from you noobmonk3y Apr 18 12:09:38 lol just spent 5 mins pasting in Apr 18 12:09:40 ive got no vodka to put in it tho Apr 18 12:09:41 detective: look at jebba's stuff Apr 18 12:09:41 meh will try again Apr 18 12:09:58 Stskeeps, did jebba make it available without new kernel? Apr 18 12:10:55 notsure Apr 18 12:12:16 Stskeeps: mhh okay i will take a look, thank you Apr 18 12:12:47 who watched doctor who o_O Apr 18 12:13:22 me Apr 18 12:13:31 and me Apr 18 12:13:32 :D Apr 18 12:13:37 twins? Apr 18 12:13:42 yup ;) Apr 18 12:13:57 gah i have to coffee myself - lag is too great to communicate Apr 18 12:13:58 bbl Apr 18 12:14:06 lol Apr 18 12:14:10 ~ping lcuk Apr 18 12:14:20 infobot on holiday still :P Apr 18 12:15:06 stuck in italy probably Apr 18 12:15:09 :D Apr 18 12:18:49 * noobmonk3y blinks Apr 18 12:19:16 wow i'm getting requests for help with apt-get errors through my own websites form... but as that website is dedicated to photography, i find that random! Apr 18 12:24:52 i've installed jebbas costum kernel. great :D Apr 18 12:31:08 anyone know if theres animation/movie available from the sat logs of the ash cloud Apr 18 12:31:31 ie from start to now timelapse Apr 18 12:32:11 I doubt that; the satellites had great difficulty tracing the ash due to clouds being indistinguishable from ash Apr 18 12:32:30 Make your own!http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/HYSPLIT.php Apr 18 12:32:50 oooh Apr 18 12:32:51 http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/READYVolcAsh.php Apr 18 12:33:00 heh cool Apr 18 12:33:01 from this? http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-valahnjuk/ Apr 18 12:33:05 o HAI Apr 18 12:33:23 \o o hai Apr 18 12:33:23 Hello again Apr 18 12:33:46 Mmm Apr 18 12:33:51 aSIMULAtor, have you crashed yet o_O Apr 18 12:34:14 Check Apr 18 12:34:17 hysplit is open source AIUI Apr 18 12:34:17 Damn Apr 18 12:34:33 wazd_e63: moo Apr 18 12:34:38 Anybody can see my nick? :) Apr 18 12:34:45 Stskeeps: oh, nm :) Apr 18 12:34:51 yes, we were just ignoring you ;) Apr 18 12:35:18 crashed? Apr 18 12:35:18 Stskeeps: yeah, I know :( Apr 18 12:35:22 Stskeeps: :) Apr 18 12:35:58 aSIMULAtor, right of passiage for all new drivers! you have to bump or scrape something Apr 18 12:36:11 i took off both my wing mirrors Apr 18 12:36:16 Stskeeps: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me :D Apr 18 12:36:17 tracy had a fight with trolley park Apr 18 12:36:24 haha Apr 18 12:36:41 well, it's my first finnish drivers license, but i've been driving for over 14 years already :P Apr 18 12:36:47 but no accidents :P Apr 18 12:37:07 :D kewl then Apr 18 12:37:12 wow... Apr 18 12:37:14 AsiMULAtor: NFS: Underground doesn't count :P Apr 18 12:37:15 Medication purposes Apr 18 12:37:17 Card-carrying medical marijuana patients are allowed to medicate under a tent set up especially for the purpose. 30-something Adrian Hernandez, who uses marijuana to deal with chronic knee pain, has found some liberation in the event. Apr 18 12:37:17 that camera view you posted is eery Apr 18 12:37:27 chronic knee pain? :) Apr 18 12:37:38 i think that's the icelandic met office's official webcam whatever Apr 18 12:37:41 yeah Apr 18 12:37:44 they were saying that if you start to see grey or brown Apr 18 12:37:49 alert someone :P Apr 18 12:37:52 macer, if your knee hurts you cannot walk Apr 18 12:38:02 lcuk: and marijuana helps.... how? Apr 18 12:38:14 Macer: he's a diagnosist btw :) Apr 18 12:38:20 dude, like you just fall over and it totally doesnt hurt Apr 18 12:38:25 haha Apr 18 12:38:28 Macer: Marijuana _is_ a very effective painkiller. Apr 18 12:38:31 and man, like i managed to keep hold of my taco Apr 18 12:38:36 toresbe: so is asprin :) Apr 18 12:38:39 ahha Apr 18 12:38:40 totally didnt spill it Apr 18 12:38:43 Macer: Not at all. Apr 18 12:39:05 * lcuk medicates macer by hitting him over the head with a juniper bush Apr 18 12:39:11 haha Apr 18 12:39:23 lcuk: thanks.. now i can say i have chronic head pain and cut in front of the cancer kids Apr 18 12:39:24 this stuff has been measured and there is no analgesic effect afaik Apr 18 12:39:32 let's all drink novocaine :) Apr 18 12:39:38 drink?! Apr 18 12:39:41 Cool painkiller too :) Apr 18 12:39:52 :) Apr 18 12:40:01 Thresh: well, I saw it liquid only :) Apr 18 12:40:02 novocaine is what dentists inject in isnt it? Apr 18 12:40:09 yes Apr 18 12:40:11 they gave me about 10 shots Apr 18 12:40:15 yeah but they shoot it into you Apr 18 12:40:16 right Apr 18 12:40:17 lcuk: no - podiatrists use it Apr 18 12:40:24 and i still almost bit his fingers off when he went poking around Apr 18 12:40:24 i'm sorry but if they're dishing out cards for chronic knee pain by quaccks... then they might as well go the distance and legalize it Apr 18 12:40:43 i bet after they do they will realize that 80% of the US population smokes marijuana haha Apr 18 12:40:46 im wondering whether you can make the tent portable Apr 18 12:40:50 Hence the track - Eels - Novacaine for the sole. Apr 18 12:40:54 sortof extended hat wear Apr 18 12:40:54 everyone realizes that i think Apr 18 12:41:15 well i guess we'll find out in nov with the california voters Apr 18 12:41:16 thresh: yeah. i think the hippies messed up marijuana Apr 18 12:41:19 :) Apr 18 12:41:26 as did cheech and chong Apr 18 12:41:34 no, the US govt messed up marijuana during prohibition Apr 18 12:41:35 people started to assume that is what you become Apr 18 12:41:58 aSIMULAtor: yeah. gave all that money to mexico :) Apr 18 12:42:03 lcuk: I have gps logs of my first oops. Apr 18 12:42:04 well.. florida didn't do too bad Apr 18 12:42:12 it would be easier to dissuade students from using it if it were legal, imo. Apr 18 12:42:15 they have a huge marijuana industry Apr 18 12:42:20 SpeedEvil, oops? Apr 18 12:42:24 lcuk: Which involved decellerating at ~1.5G from 40MPH after I left the road. Apr 18 12:42:29 o_O Apr 18 12:42:37 pupnik: not to mention the fact that drug dealers are not the types you would want kids buying it from ;) Apr 18 12:42:49 lcuk: Misread junction completely, and was in a hurry. Apr 18 12:42:52 you should definitely see latest south park series bout marijuana :) Apr 18 12:42:57 because they tend to show kids new things.. like crack and heroin Apr 18 12:43:16 Macer: Or windows CE. Apr 18 12:43:18 SpeedEvil, happens to us all Apr 18 12:43:26 i was once in car just before i had passed Apr 18 12:43:27 SpeedEvil: omg! those sick bastards! Apr 18 12:43:31 and mate said "errr its this corner" Apr 18 12:43:31 pharmaceutical companies are already getting kids hooked on benzos Apr 18 12:43:37 i nearly flipped car going round Apr 18 12:43:47 SpeedEvil: noway, that's too much Apr 18 12:44:09 SpeedEvil: I can understand snowballs and stuff, but CE... Apr 18 12:44:20 lcuk: misread a '1/2 mile to hospital' in combination with a disused petrol station as a turnoff. oops. Apr 18 12:44:32 lcuk: There were bits from 8 other cars there. Apr 18 12:45:04 * pupnik censors self Apr 18 12:45:09 * RST38h tries to patch the story together: aSIMULAtor got her first Finnish driver's license, celebrated it by smoking weed, then got into an accident. Apr 18 12:45:52 Yeah, people make mistakes. Apr 18 12:45:54 isn't the conversation app essentially a browser? Apr 18 12:45:54 wow Apr 18 12:46:03 MohammadAG: yep Apr 18 12:46:21 why isn't scrolling as quick as the browser? Apr 18 12:46:36 (just a question, not complaining) Apr 18 12:47:05 MohammadAG: I guess you should ask timeless Apr 18 12:47:20 MohammadAG: he's the local browser god :) Apr 18 12:47:36 lol Apr 18 12:47:48 i thought he only made the ui? Apr 18 12:47:56 tablet-browser-ui Apr 18 12:48:11 MohammadAG: I'm not sure Apr 18 12:48:25 MohammadAG: but he's the one to blame :D Apr 18 12:48:39 lol Apr 18 12:49:00 well you pinged him so I'm guessing I don't have to ask again Apr 18 12:49:20 MohammadAG: i think rtcom-el-gui is based on gtk.treeview or similar Apr 18 12:49:31 while browser is doing native stuff without gtk Apr 18 12:49:33 but im just speculating Apr 18 12:49:37 MohammadAG, i would say that conversation window is actually more complex than most browser windows Apr 18 12:49:56 try scrolling a similar length portion of web page - something as complex Apr 18 12:50:16 css right? Apr 18 12:50:30 * RST38h wonders how conversations window behaves when there is a LOT of messages Apr 18 12:51:04 RST38h, you don't want to know Apr 18 12:51:16 its like email client, only shows x default and then load in more as you scroll Apr 18 12:51:24 actually, it doesn't load all convos, but when you scroll up it slows down Apr 18 12:51:24 Rst38h: no pages; all on the single one? Apr 18 12:51:38 frals, beat me to it Apr 18 12:53:10 browser stopped rotating again Apr 18 12:53:50 MohammadAG: maemospin.com Apr 18 12:54:03 err Apr 18 12:55:02 server not found, whatever that was Apr 18 12:57:13 It was a reference to another site. Which has a rotating thing. Apr 18 12:57:23 maemospin doesn't actually exist. Apr 18 12:57:32 (though with the accellerometer)... Apr 18 12:58:11 SpeedEvil, ? Apr 18 12:58:17 maemospin? Apr 18 12:58:33 * SpeedEvil is just being rather random today. Apr 18 12:58:40 yeah, what tho Apr 18 12:58:55 http://meatspin.com/ - probably not worksafe - anywhere. Apr 18 12:59:08 meme popular a while back Apr 18 12:59:26 dont Apr 18 13:00:02 i wonder if the people complaining about n900s call quality are living in a bunker or smth Apr 18 13:00:41 SpeedEvil: that was gay Apr 18 13:00:43 i do work mostly on the backend Apr 18 13:00:45 N900 call quality is awful Apr 18 13:00:52 mr timeless Apr 18 13:00:54 I can't hear anything Apr 18 13:00:54 wazd: Sounds just fine to me Apr 18 13:00:59 portions of the conversations app is browser based Apr 18 13:01:02 wazd: You got an N900? =) Apr 18 13:01:13 but i think the list of contacts view is gtk Apr 18 13:01:15 * marmoute have Volume Issue Too Apr 18 13:01:19 wazd_e63: might be due to the fact you dont have one ;) Apr 18 13:01:20 whereas the view where you're chatting w/ someone is browser Apr 18 13:01:23 RST38h: no, but I can complain :D Apr 18 13:01:28 wazd: Ah, right! Apr 18 13:01:32 hi aSIMULAtor Apr 18 13:01:33 i have an n900, and the call quality is great o.O, unless you want to use speaker phone, then its extremely quiet Apr 18 13:01:34 SpeedEvil: http://img651.imageshack.us/i/30141938v.jpg/ Apr 18 13:01:57 To me the only frustrating thing is the latency of the phone when accepting or denying a call Apr 18 13:02:18 When I recieved the call, it worked fine. Apr 18 13:02:28 how are u doing mr timeless Apr 18 13:02:29 MohammadAG: so which thing were you scrolling? Apr 18 13:02:38 aSIMULAtor: good Apr 18 13:02:41 * RST38h uses speakerphone feature a lot, it is not bad either Apr 18 13:02:45 the chat view Apr 18 13:02:52 i'm hosting a stranded sole for the foreseeable future :) Apr 18 13:02:58 pronto: normal phone and speakerphone modes have SEPARATE volume controls Apr 18 13:02:59 s/sole/soul/ Apr 18 13:03:02 cause of volcano? Apr 18 13:03:06 pronto: Simply adjust volume when in speakerphone mode Apr 18 13:03:09 SpeedEvil, I kind of expected it Apr 18 13:03:14 timeless: oh - I was going to give you fish recipies. Apr 18 13:03:15 yep Apr 18 13:03:16 Rst38h: I have a good chance to have scratched overclocked one somewhere in the august) Apr 18 13:03:22 RST38h: i did, i turned it up, extremely quiet Apr 18 13:03:28 SpeedEvil: aww g, thanks Apr 18 13:03:30 but opened up maemospin since I thought this channel was... Apr 18 13:03:39 better than instructions for redoing my shoes, i suppose Apr 18 13:03:40 wazd: OMG Apr 18 13:03:49 http://qkwv.com/maemospin.jpg Apr 18 13:03:53 prototype Apr 18 13:04:31 rst38h: or maybe even later :) Apr 18 13:04:51 wazd: May well end up being n910, 920, or something then... Apr 18 13:05:34 * SpeedEvil wonders what his next device will be. Apr 18 13:05:52 I - on balance - like the format of the n900 for something that will go with me everywhere Apr 18 13:06:15 Rst38h: nooo, I'll get a n900 thru developers queue :) Apr 18 13:07:42 timeless_mbp, I was scrolling the chat view Apr 18 13:08:10 yo aSIMULAtor, long time no see Apr 18 13:08:26 MohammadAG: which direction? Apr 18 13:08:36 when you scroll back in time, the chat app pulls in more data Apr 18 13:08:36 up Apr 18 13:08:39 which is expensive Apr 18 13:08:46 and has nothing to do w/ the browser Apr 18 13:08:47 loading history Apr 18 13:08:51 yep Apr 18 13:08:52 oh Apr 18 13:08:56 sucks that you can't go back to the beginning, by the way Apr 18 13:09:09 that only applies if it hasn't already loaded a piece Apr 18 13:09:13 crashanddie, actually I want to mark all as read Apr 18 13:09:14 but do keep it in mind Apr 18 13:12:40 gotta get a faster way to enable flash elements Apr 18 13:13:23 switching to settings, plugins and waiting for it to swap-in is NOT fun Apr 18 13:14:18 leaving flash on is pretty much not an option if surfing commercial sites Apr 18 13:15:57 suggest a usability test: go to a few shopping sites, open and compare products, profile time spent loading with/without flash, and time needed by user to enablea/disable flash plugin Apr 18 13:17:38 perhaps a community member has an idea how to toggle flash from a menu applet Apr 18 13:18:44 or maybe some browser button/widget Apr 18 13:19:17 adblock-css thingy also includes flashblock Apr 18 13:19:39 for microb? Apr 18 13:19:42 flash appears as empty space. click on it and the flash content is loaded Apr 18 13:19:43 yes Apr 18 13:39:30 lol... Blade Trinity, some dude gets a call, Blade rips his phone out of his hands, and looks at who's calling, it's an old Nokia 3210, and the screen shows "Contact information: " then the options are "Details" and "Cancel"... Incoming call eh? Apr 18 13:40:14 http://keyboardcowboy.ca/2010/04/whos-letting-me-become-ssladmin/ Apr 18 13:40:18 ovi.com is helpful Apr 18 13:40:19 crashanddie, retrofitted multitasking internface Apr 18 13:40:32 it let a user register for ssladmin@ovi.com :) Apr 18 13:41:10 LOL Apr 18 13:43:49 sadly that isn't a laughing matter Apr 18 13:44:04 arguably you shouldn't trust any certs issued to Ovi.com because of it Apr 18 13:44:23 * lcuk does not trust any ovi Apr 18 13:44:42 man i cant beleive i was actualy able to survive with only my phone for a week no other puter available Apr 18 13:45:15 loft306, you used your phone as a hunting weapon? Apr 18 13:45:23 heh no Apr 18 13:45:27 did throwing it work or as a club? Apr 18 13:45:32 lcuk: I would love it if manufacturers gave write access to devices that aren't in production anymore Apr 18 13:45:32 but it makes a great flashlight Apr 18 13:45:53 crashanddie, opening up abandonware is something i would like to be the default Apr 18 13:46:02 aye Apr 18 13:46:10 lcuk i was in the city... just forgot the lappie psu Apr 18 13:46:39 loft306, sometimes i cope without any technology at all Apr 18 13:46:59 * lcuk likes those holiday times Apr 18 13:47:12 pencil and paper and my imagination :) Apr 18 13:47:23 when i go hunting i change the sim to a bar phone... and leave it off Apr 18 13:47:32 loft306: i used two n900s as my only computers for 3 weeks traveling through eastern europe... Apr 18 13:47:46 :) Apr 18 13:48:16 atleast i had my glasses Apr 18 13:48:28 and vodka to fill them up? Apr 18 13:48:30 timeless_mbp: have a friend who used an n800 as only piece of technology for 1 month while cycling from southern egypt up to London Apr 18 13:49:11 *jealous* http://twitpic.com/1gklve Apr 18 13:49:27 crashanddie: wow Apr 18 13:49:39 clockwise or counterclockise around the med? Apr 18 13:49:51 * timeless_mbp presumes counter Apr 18 13:49:56 yup, counter Apr 18 13:50:11 as the crow flies would be more interesting route Apr 18 13:50:27 tho getting reception at the bottom of the med might be challenging Apr 18 13:50:27 crows don't fly over seas Apr 18 13:50:38 and crows don't fly at the bottom of the med Apr 18 13:50:44 heh Apr 18 13:51:20 stilll gotta be better than carrier pigeon Apr 18 13:51:28 not really Apr 18 13:51:37 some tv show tested internet speeds here in australia Apr 18 13:51:39 well it comes down to payload Apr 18 13:51:59 and carrier pigeon was faster to transfer a 700 movie over 150km than car or internet Apr 18 13:52:01 heh they did that is SA Apr 18 13:52:07 (actually, car wast faster than internet too) Apr 18 13:52:30 the pigeon won Apr 18 13:52:54 of course, for larger values of data there is still bandwidth issues Apr 18 13:53:05 well, they did it on a microsd Apr 18 13:53:11 but the num ber of trucks you need to do the job is getting larger and larger each day Apr 18 13:53:14 so 32gb in one ping Apr 18 13:53:39 hey, it could be a ping flood! Apr 18 13:53:41 though, they had to send something like 25 pigeons, as decoys in case there was a falcon hunting Apr 18 13:53:48 imagine compressing pings into that one pigeon packet Apr 18 13:54:05 hahahaha Apr 18 13:54:07 we should shoot down all pigeons to protect against ping-flood-over-carrier-pigeon-ip Apr 18 13:54:29 off tho chair on the floor Apr 18 13:54:42 fearnecotton got pinged this morning http://twitter.com/Fearnecotton/status/12392782448 Apr 18 13:54:42 crashanddie: how much packet loss did they suffer? Apr 18 13:54:56 timeless_mbp: well, only one pigeon was carrying data, they didn't say Apr 18 13:55:13 * frals pokes lcuk Apr 18 13:55:18 so it was just obfuscation Apr 18 13:55:44 the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci2bFFGM8T8 Apr 18 13:56:11 where does the conversations app store its logs? Apr 18 13:56:26 i'd want to run a grep trough them Apr 18 13:56:37 its a sqlite db Apr 18 13:56:43 ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db or smth Apr 18 13:57:36 thanks Apr 18 13:57:45 np Apr 18 13:58:29 theres an api for interacting with it as well if you plan to use it in an application and not just for searching it once Apr 18 13:59:59 * lcuk makes his fingers work in editor over there >>> Apr 18 14:01:41 * frals sends lcuk to test stuff over there <<< Apr 18 14:02:02 good point i forgot i was updating ubumtu first Apr 18 14:02:07 pm me what you want me to check Apr 18 14:02:14 * crashanddie tries to get them to test their stuff there ^^^ Apr 18 14:02:16 or here so others can too Apr 18 14:02:36 * lcuk tests his stuff down there VVVV and is relieved its still working Apr 18 14:02:56 crashanddie: wow Apr 18 14:03:31 ? Apr 18 14:04:39 just watched the video Apr 18 14:05:00 anyone with a recent build on their phones (as in one that got MMS settings in /etc/operator_settings) around who want to try a package for me? Apr 18 14:06:07 recent build of? Apr 18 14:06:20 oh, maemo5 that is Apr 18 14:06:38 doesn't everyone have 1.1? Apr 18 14:07:00 i have a feeling one or two in here got nokia internal builds Apr 18 14:07:24 hmmmmmm Apr 18 14:07:53 frals: yes... Apr 18 14:08:06 one of mine is even getting over the air updates for 1.2 Apr 18 14:09:03 * noobmonk3y_ blinks Apr 18 14:09:19 would you mind installing http://mms.frals.se/fmms_0.8.0_all.deb and see if it gets the operator settings automatically for you? cant try on sdk since it doesnt have sim stuff on it Apr 18 14:10:45 need to have -devel enabled as it depends on quite some python stuff... Apr 18 14:11:37 frals, using dpkg -i wont bring in deps automatically Apr 18 14:11:56 yeah Apr 18 14:11:58 doh Apr 18 14:12:00 so best is to install the -devel version on a device if its moaning about dependency problems Apr 18 14:12:03 you need a repo Apr 18 14:12:04 fmms fapn Apr 18 14:12:07 i can stick it in my repo Apr 18 14:14:20 timeless_mbp: sure, what files do you need to do it? Apr 18 14:14:35 frals: timeless.justdave.net/maemo/os2009repo/ :) Apr 18 14:14:41 * timeless_mbp *has* a repo Apr 18 14:17:45 timeless_mbp, can i "borrow" your phone for a bit i need to make a call (and i wont grab your pr1.2 honest guv :D) Apr 18 14:19:11 why have people decided to send me tonnes of mails about liqbase today \?/ Apr 18 14:19:31 * frals looks up lcuks email to send him mail about liqbase Apr 18 14:21:03 Weird: /packages/ says there is an updated version of nano out (with CtrlW crash fixed) but I cannot upgrade to it Apr 18 14:21:22 lcuk: lemme find fmms first Apr 18 14:22:14 BTW: BADSIG E40DC434616730BD maemo.org Extras repositories Apr 18 14:23:54 frals: installing... Apr 18 14:24:30 timeless_mbp: thanks, once installed launch it and it should open configuration, press "Configure" next to the APN label and see if it fills in the fields automatically please :) Apr 18 14:25:14 javispedro: Any idea on this: "BADSIG E40DC434616730BD maemo.org Extras repositories" when running apt-get update Apr 18 14:27:26 it picked a proxy, port, and mmsc Apr 18 14:27:26 RST38h: not at the moment, I'm willing to blame it on akamai Apr 18 14:27:42 frals: my phone number is '0' ? Apr 18 14:27:59 yeah phonenumber detection isnt in yet.. Apr 18 14:28:10 did it pick Access Point Name as well? Apr 18 14:28:15 'mms' ? Apr 18 14:28:28 sounds about right i guess Apr 18 14:28:29 note that the responsiveness to me clicking 'save' was so bad that i thought it was broken Apr 18 14:28:29 what operator you on? Apr 18 14:28:32 elisa Apr 18 14:28:50 then its correct, cheers :) Apr 18 14:28:56 hmm will have to look into that Apr 18 14:28:58 s/its/it's/ Apr 18 14:29:13 do you support Share ? Apr 18 14:29:29 as in sharing service? yepp Apr 18 14:30:04 does it cost me money to send an mms to you? Apr 18 14:30:38 i assume it does Apr 18 14:34:23 does it cost me money to send it to sp3000? Apr 18 14:34:40 i have no idea :) Apr 18 14:35:03 thanks for testing, can move on from that dialog now as it seems to be working as expected :) Apr 18 14:35:35 there was a 0 valued box below my phone number Apr 18 14:35:38 what was it for? Apr 18 14:36:05 resizing of images Apr 18 14:36:20 hmm, it shouldnt have defaulted to 0 Apr 18 14:36:20 gah @ ome net Apr 18 14:36:23 home Apr 18 14:36:36 what are valid values? Apr 18 14:36:59 0-99999, unit is pixels Apr 18 14:37:24 its gonna resize the image width to x and maintain aspect ratio Apr 18 14:37:41 timeless_mbp: use 99999 :P Apr 18 14:37:55 frals: i just tried to send an mms to [] Apr 18 14:38:02 it's thinking long and hard about this Apr 18 14:38:07 if the image width is > the value its ignored Apr 18 14:38:32 s/its/is/ Apr 18 14:39:16 can you make it handle better? Apr 18 14:39:26 timeless_mbp: its setting up an connection to your mms apn + trying to submit it to your mmsc Apr 18 14:39:39 without a destination? Apr 18 14:39:45 / recipient Apr 18 14:39:55 you left the field completly empty? Apr 18 14:39:58 sure Apr 18 14:40:01 why would i fill it in? Apr 18 14:40:08 i thought i had a check against that... doh Apr 18 14:40:08 it obviously wasn't mandatory :) Apr 18 14:40:26 its not user-proof yet! ;) Apr 18 14:40:43 * javispedro watches timeless' telco charge him for an empty mms Apr 18 14:40:52 javispedro: not empty Apr 18 14:40:55 non-deliverable Apr 18 14:40:59 even better Apr 18 14:41:24 maybe they'll send it to Rio Apr 18 14:41:29 timeless_mbp: you should see a banner where it shows the reply from mmsc when its done thinking Apr 18 14:41:33 Sending failed: Apr 18 14:41:42 Error: 110 Connection timed out Apr 18 14:41:52 Please make sure [] APN settings are correct Apr 18 14:41:59 is that last line yours? Apr 18 14:42:07 if so, please insert 'your' where i left [] Apr 18 14:42:21 ah right, connection mode defaults to 'polite' where you have to connect manually to the MMS APN when sending Apr 18 14:42:25 will do Apr 18 14:46:20 * timeless_mbp ponders Apr 18 14:46:28 "Select account" Apr 18 14:46:39 * timeless_mbp crashes image-viewer Apr 18 14:48:30 * timeless_mbp ponders Apr 18 14:48:51 anyone willing to give me 2 sharing account sets so i can play w/ sharing? Apr 18 14:49:55 sharing accounts? Apr 18 14:54:22 well, two accounts for a single sharing service Apr 18 15:00:28 Damn, shoping is exhausting Apr 18 15:00:40 I wanna go home :( Apr 18 15:01:19 i wonder if my mind is trying to tell me something, was suppose to name a variabled "border", it came out "bored" Apr 18 15:01:45 :D Apr 18 15:01:55 but did the variable variabled? Apr 18 15:03:07 :P Apr 18 15:03:09 I just love when, after 3000 boots doing it right, gdm puts the login screen in the wrong display Apr 18 15:03:22 only to never do it again Apr 18 15:03:27 until the 6000th boot Apr 18 15:08:08 wazd_e63, bought an n900 ? :D Apr 18 15:08:11 lol Apr 18 15:10:02 * RST38h moos at VDVsx slightly Apr 18 15:10:23 * VDVsx moos back at RST38h :D Apr 18 15:12:13 Ok, out of academic curiosity: any features you would like to see in my emulators, that are easy to implement? Apr 18 15:12:34 If there is something small I missed, will try to add it before the release Apr 18 15:13:22 what kind of emulators? Apr 18 15:16:21 koala_man, RST38h has written numerous emulators for multiple systems Apr 18 15:19:06 the biggest missing feature from emulators that I see is hardware video scaling. 2x, 4x and video mode change really doesn't do it Apr 18 15:19:18 uh? Apr 18 15:20:01 haven't tried many emulators on maemo though, drnoksnes will keep me occupied for ages Apr 18 15:24:32 RST38h, make the open dialog slightly less punishing? Apr 18 15:24:52 GAN: Not my problem, complain to konttori =) Apr 18 15:25:00 GAN900, maybe show some sort of splashscreen if it's closed before a ROM is openned. Apr 18 15:25:12 Nah, not the dialog itself Apr 18 15:25:41 GAN: What then? Apr 18 15:26:01 Ah, you mean, show something between clicking on the ROM and running the game? Apr 18 15:26:08 koala_man: o/ Apr 18 15:26:17 \o Apr 18 15:26:19 koala_man: Have you gotten an N900 too? :) Apr 18 15:26:22 of course! Apr 18 15:26:28 (long time no see, btw -- how are you?) Apr 18 15:26:46 RST38h, at least if I close the dialog. Apr 18 15:26:54 Unsurprisingly, I've run a PDP-11 emulator on my N810. Apr 18 15:27:04 RST38h, it's slightly unfriendly just to close the whole application. Apr 18 15:27:12 GAN: If you close the dialog, you want exit Apr 18 15:27:15 So, it exits Apr 18 15:27:34 RST38h, the Hildon games startup screen would be nice, but that's high impact. Apr 18 15:27:39 RST38h, big assumption. Apr 18 15:27:42 There is no reason for it to run if you are not opening anything. Where there IS a reason (like fMSX or Speccy), it does not show the dialog Apr 18 15:28:00 RST38h, maybe I just want to see something in the menu? Apr 18 15:28:09 GAN: *correct* assumption: remember, those consoles (NES, GB) have no firmware of their own Apr 18 15:28:18 Yeah. . . . Apr 18 15:28:33 GAN: the ones that have (MSX, ZX Spectrum) do not start with a dialog at all Apr 18 15:28:39 Just boot right into firmware Apr 18 15:28:55 Well, whatever, I don't think it's friendly, or consistent and, quite frankly, it looks like a crash. Apr 18 15:29:28 Mmm, ok, I will think of a friendly message screen "You have not selected anything to run. Bye bye now." =) Apr 18 15:29:57 or even a "sure to quit? no -> show open dialog again" loop-like sequence Apr 18 15:30:57 at least the stupid in me does dismiss the dialog accidentally some times ;P Apr 18 15:33:29 javispedro: It offends my sense of minimalism :) Apr 18 15:33:47 But anyways, let us see if I can conjure a little oldskool message box Apr 18 15:33:57 blame the slow loading hildon open dialog Apr 18 15:34:10 that too, but it is not my fault =( Apr 18 15:34:27 Someone at Maemo Devices should REALLY look at it Apr 18 15:34:31 it allows my brain to think "I should be working" thus fingers start dismissing everything :) Apr 18 15:34:48 allows as in "gives time" Apr 18 15:34:49 They can probably make it faster by just skipping on redraws Apr 18 15:35:10 second time a process shows it it's much faster Apr 18 15:35:22 I think there's a per-process cache that should be per-system instead. Apr 18 15:35:23 not fast enough though Apr 18 15:35:48 well, to begin with, it should not preemptively scan all subdirs of the shown dir Apr 18 15:36:10 secondly, it probably should not create and display menu items while scanning Apr 18 15:36:31 And, finally, those 100+MB of memory it preallocates when opening that dialog always cause me to wink Apr 18 15:36:35 heh Apr 18 15:36:41 Vdvsx: yeah, bought n900 and Bentley GT :) Apr 18 15:36:53 you should try to make it maemo-launcher friendly, seems to speed it up a bit Apr 18 15:36:59 wazd: How is that Bentley holding up? Apr 18 15:37:19 javispedro: not the file dialog, afaik =( Apr 18 15:38:13 rst38h: btw, forgot to send you new skin again Apr 18 15:38:22 wazd: ? =) Apr 18 15:38:46 Rst38h: remind me a bit later, when I'll escape that MEGA hell Apr 18 15:38:56 Rst38h: ti84+ Apr 18 15:39:08 =E~ Apr 18 15:39:29 Rst38h: Hotabych smiley? :D Apr 18 15:39:56 THAT has been a tongue, not the beard Apr 18 15:40:12 Rst38h: :) Apr 18 15:40:48 Besides, Hottabych's famous image has been smeared forever by existance of Osama bin Laden! =) Apr 18 15:41:38 Rst38h: meheheh :) Apr 18 15:42:43 No! No jams, please! Noooooo! Apr 18 15:47:03 o_O @ the new cuss words tracy just managed to say Apr 18 15:49:52 do share Apr 18 15:50:27 frals, well see last ocuple of tweets between myself and teebee76 Apr 18 15:51:01 she did not sound very ladylike when she shouted them, and when i went downstairs to see what was going on, she hit me Apr 18 15:51:08 \?/ Apr 18 15:51:18 all because i suggested ducttaping her gob shut Apr 18 15:51:49 lol Apr 18 15:53:37 Anyone have some hint how I can made simple second ticker in python? Apr 18 15:54:54 good morning, i'm trying to update to the new extcalllog, and looking at http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/extcalllog/0.3/ it's obvious that none librtcom-eventlogger1-1.3-4+0m5 and librtcom-eventlogger-ui1-1.4-2+0m5 are available on maemo.org repos. how to get these packages? any idea ? Apr 18 15:55:24 biston, wait for PR1.2 Apr 18 15:55:31 ^ Apr 18 15:55:53 hmm alright Apr 18 15:56:04 squeeze toolkit builder upgrade fix this, or is it a proper requires 1.2 dependency issue? Apr 18 15:56:06 I have to wonder if the eventlogger soname change was actually needed or not Apr 18 15:56:33 lcuk, proper afaik Apr 18 15:56:47 lcuk: requires 1.2, seemingly, librtcom-eventlogger changes "so much" they changed the package name. Apr 18 15:56:55 yeah Apr 18 15:57:09 lol Apr 18 15:57:10 and 1 more question, how can i list all installed deb packages from terminal? Apr 18 15:57:14 any abi break needs a soname bump Apr 18 15:57:26 dpkg -l Apr 18 15:57:43 ah, has nothing to do with apt Apr 18 15:57:45 okay thanks Apr 18 15:57:54 the choice was technically correct, its just a shame all of the maemo deb handling systems are so shit they can't cope properly Apr 18 15:57:55 np :) Apr 18 15:58:08 Robot101: no system will be able to handle a soname change Apr 18 15:58:24 case in hand, the binary itself won't run Apr 18 15:58:43 debian can, the package changes name intentionally so you can keep the old one and the new one installed simultaneously Apr 18 15:59:17 yes, but the v0 version will be removed from firmware, thus the issue. Apr 18 15:59:22 Robot101, technically the N900 and debian handle packages the same Apr 18 15:59:23 it's totally standard, until all the other packages are rebuilt with the new library, then aptitude clears the old one Apr 18 15:59:53 Robot101, Apr 18 15:59:54 (and the v1 one is not present in 1.1, thus the "other" issue). Apr 18 15:59:57 actually nvm Apr 18 16:00:03 yeah except not - the hildon app manager nor the ssu tool don't understand any fields other than depends Apr 18 16:00:13 not conflicts/replaces/breaks etc Apr 18 16:00:58 I don't see why you'd need them for. What we'd need to fix a soname change is ship the previous one in pr1.2 and ship the "future" one in pr1.1 Apr 18 16:00:59 so they're /like/ debian, but we had to leave an rtocm-el 0 empty package in the distro just to depend on the new 1 version Apr 18 16:01:05 ah Apr 18 16:02:09 timeless_mbp; How come 3rd party widgets disappears when updating the localization from your repo? Apr 18 16:02:19 if you just delete the old one off the archive and stick the new one in, then recompile stuff, anyone with any pakages that need the old one can continue running, but any new upgrades/installs get the new one Apr 18 16:02:42 that's precisely how it's meant to work, and does work in ubuntu and debian Apr 18 16:03:45 Robot101: maemo _can't_ work that way until nokia updates are shipped incrementally Apr 18 16:03:53 so we have to put fix over fix. Apr 18 16:05:48 sure it can, you just need to rebuild everything with the old binary and make sure your packaging allows that (binnmus in debian) Apr 18 16:08:31 lcuk: Domestic terrorist indeed. Apr 18 16:08:40 ehlo, konttori Apr 18 16:09:56 Konttori: heya Apr 18 16:09:59 RST38h, o_O Apr 18 16:10:06 afternoon urho \o Apr 18 16:13:42 I wonder if I can compile my matrix flash into flash lite to set it as a background on e63 :) Apr 18 16:19:36 my e key is making a scratch like sound when i press it. should i be worried? Apr 18 16:21:55 also would it make sence to buy a class 10 micro sdhc card? Apr 18 16:22:31 hey...whats the difference between the command root and sudo gainroot on my n900? Apr 18 16:22:59 nothing Apr 18 16:23:17 hm Apr 18 16:23:18 ok Apr 18 16:23:24 root is shorter to write ;) Apr 18 16:23:29 exec sudo gainroot --use-su Apr 18 16:23:34 that's root Apr 18 16:24:56 Robot101: that is the plan considering there's only like 3 extras packages depending on it. Still I have to wonder if an API break was really needed now, and if packages will need a v0 source version and v1 source version. Apr 18 16:25:21 I believe there was a design flaw which had to be corrected Apr 18 16:25:38 but, if we'd known now how unprepared maemo was for this totally normal change in debian/ubuntu, we'd have hacked to avoid it Apr 18 16:26:01 everyone involved regrets it now, but we had no idea it would be this much of a trainwreck Apr 18 16:26:04 so much for doing the right thing Apr 18 16:26:51 Q: is it possible to symlink a file from a vfat partition to an ext3 one? Apr 18 16:27:08 ah well. Apr 18 16:27:13 (opposite is not possible, i know) Apr 18 16:29:58 abi bumps are not meant to be painful, debian has this automated, they have scripts and just binnmu chunks of the archive at the push of a button Apr 18 16:31:15 abi or api or both? Apr 18 16:31:53 does every v0 building package build under v1 headers? Apr 18 16:34:46 Hehe, got a sirfstar, N810 and N900 sitting next to eachother on a table Apr 18 16:34:56 all but the sirfstar have a gps fix :-) Apr 18 16:42:53 hey all :) Apr 18 16:43:23 Trizt: hrm Apr 18 16:43:30 that's unexpected Apr 18 16:43:42 MohammadAG, Yes it is possible to symlink where the destination file is on VFAT and the link target is on EXT3 Apr 18 16:44:43 timeless_mbp; and I have a strange "message" which I got when someone unknown called me on skype, think you would be interested by it too Apr 18 16:45:02 * PhonicUK wishes VNC was faster :\ Apr 18 16:45:41 rdp :> Apr 18 16:45:48 timeless_mbp; instead of a proper user name, it says, "undisclosed_pstn:345" Apr 18 16:46:11 haltdef, im viewing my N900's screen on my desktop machine Apr 18 16:46:14 while developing Apr 18 16:46:15 Trizt: interesting Apr 18 16:46:17 ah Apr 18 16:46:22 nifty Apr 18 16:46:25 that means i'm missing a translation string Apr 18 16:46:29 * timeless_mbp goes to look for a bit Apr 18 16:46:38 so i hit "Run" in Qt Creator and see it in the VNC window :) Apr 18 16:46:57 neat eh? Apr 18 16:47:11 timeless_mbp; I tried to tell you earlier, but I guess you was away the few times I tried to say it on the chan Apr 18 16:47:45 should have sent you a pm Apr 18 16:51:39 yeah, i definitely don't have that string Apr 18 16:52:12 you add something funny? ;) Apr 18 16:52:17 Trizt: mailto:timeless@gmail is better Apr 18 16:52:25 sending me a privmsg is likely to get lost Apr 18 16:52:37 I'll try to remember that Apr 18 16:53:01 i'll try to get a string update tomorrow Apr 18 16:53:50 thanks Apr 18 16:54:28 next time I'll email Apr 18 16:55:37 * timeless_mbp ponders Apr 18 16:55:49 thanks PhonicUK Apr 18 16:55:58 * timeless_mbp goes to figure out where this string comes from Apr 18 16:56:15 timeless_mbp; interesting photo that DSCN1624.JPG Apr 18 16:59:57 i'm glad you like it :) Apr 18 17:00:10 * timeless_mbp sighs Apr 18 17:00:19 totally buggy window management Apr 18 17:00:38 the missing icon for the top row is because the icons are all fading in/out Apr 18 17:00:58 if you look carefully you can see a hint of the (?) Apr 18 17:01:38 * Trizt nods Apr 18 17:02:25 this something new or old? Apr 18 17:02:38 * Trizt have no clue how the older maemos may look like Apr 18 17:03:58 RST38h, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50370 Apr 18 17:04:07 javispedro, too :p Apr 18 17:04:21 err, have i done something wrong or is the phone suppose to NOT play the sms tone when on charger? Apr 18 17:04:56 lcuk: Umgh! Apr 18 17:05:01 frals, it plays a pop noise instal of sms when the current conversation window is there Apr 18 17:05:09 instead Apr 18 17:05:17 well i just get the vibrator Apr 18 17:05:30 mine just pops at me when new msg comes in Apr 18 17:05:37 Trizt: that was an n800 ui, i think Apr 18 17:05:41 so it had to be fairly old Apr 18 17:05:46 okey Apr 18 17:06:06 frals: This one? http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-297 Apr 18 17:06:17 lol Apr 18 17:07:32 hmmm do i always join at the worst time? Apr 18 17:07:35 frals> well i just get the vibrator Apr 18 17:08:01 err what Apr 18 17:08:29 * MohammadAG searches logs Apr 18 17:08:36 problem solved, appearently i had the volume on ~10% and it wasnt loud enough to play through the speaker :p Apr 18 17:09:30 well i just get the vibrator - ok, i misinterpreted that Apr 18 17:10:32 http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/yfWItHMCsC2KBGGut84FqGwBtj4LaKFthfHhGPQpJDE?feat=directlink Apr 18 17:10:32 frals you plonker! Apr 18 17:10:47 sunbox behiimg,d mess Apr 18 17:10:56 oops Apr 18 17:11:03 wrong channel Apr 18 17:11:15 lcuk: you can be a plonker! Apr 18 17:11:32 :D Apr 18 17:11:35 * lcuk agrees Apr 18 17:12:32 * noobmonk3y_ seconds that Apr 18 17:14:25 wazd_e63, screw you Apr 18 17:14:41 anyone figured out how to open a new conversation with a given number from within an application? Apr 18 17:15:16 eg i want to send an sms to +4600032542 from the conversations app, launched by a button in my own application Apr 18 17:15:25 feature creep! Apr 18 17:15:46 its the last one! promise! Apr 18 17:17:47 frals, have a look if jebba found the correct spell for it Apr 18 17:17:49 frals dbus should be able to do it shouldnt it? Apr 18 17:18:53 lcuk: i checked his wikipage, didnt find anything.. there is a script to send your own sms manually but rather have it thru rtcom-el so it gets logged Apr 18 17:19:03 noobmonk3y_afk: yeah... somehow... which is why im asking :D Apr 18 17:19:23 noobmonk3y_afk: that be a nice feature for healthcheck! *rolleyes* better find out how its done! ;) Apr 18 17:19:26 yeah frals i understand Apr 18 17:19:30 lol! Apr 18 17:19:48 noobmonk3y_afk, frals was wondering before and i thought you might know Apr 18 17:19:54 how to get device phone number Apr 18 17:19:59 i dont know mine Apr 18 17:20:00 * frals heads back to preparing fmms 0.9.0 aka "let ux ppl rape it" Apr 18 17:20:03 i'm working on sms counters Apr 18 17:20:11 will have a look and see if i have any scrap code Apr 18 17:20:16 cool Apr 18 17:20:28 cool, lemme know if you find anything good Apr 18 17:20:32 supsup Apr 18 17:21:16 wow Apr 18 17:21:28 my desktop suddenly turned to portrait mode Apr 18 17:21:34 looks weird Apr 18 17:21:41 quick, turn it back before anyone notices Apr 18 17:21:49 pft. Apr 18 17:22:15 icons do not fit, there was no auto re-arrange Apr 18 17:22:37 and wallpapers are not continuous, there is black space between Apr 18 17:22:41 yeah i know how i'd like to have that working Apr 18 17:22:44 yea, n900 does not have portrait mode. Apr 18 17:22:56 it has a bug though Apr 18 17:23:01 =p Apr 18 17:23:06 i even have a wicked idea for scrolling rotatable lists Apr 18 17:23:32 most things look not very bad though Apr 18 17:23:41 lcuk, im pretty sure portrait mode is on the way out anyways Apr 18 17:24:04 virtual keyboard does not fit too Apr 18 17:24:12 yup Apr 18 17:24:19 * lcuk likes this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q Apr 18 17:24:57 how many of you guys overclocked Apr 18 17:25:08 i'm not stupid, so i didn't Apr 18 17:25:08 :P Apr 18 17:25:13 haha Apr 18 17:25:46 thou shalt not fuck around with overclocking, was the statement at the summit Apr 18 17:25:47 :P Apr 18 17:26:15 i did it, then went back. Apr 18 17:26:32 it ws nice though, not gonna lie. Apr 18 17:27:11 i hope 1.2 shows up soon. that will make me feel better about it. Apr 18 17:28:13 provided the key 1.2 people aren't stuck somewhere due to the volcano ash, then it's about bloody time it comes around Apr 18 17:28:31 haha no kidding Apr 18 17:29:01 Stskeeps: they have to walk to the volcano, to throw in gtk. Apr 18 17:29:40 well, konttori is babysitting Apr 18 17:29:47 some applications that do not support portrait mode natively look just fine anyways Apr 18 17:29:51 some do not Apr 18 17:30:06 worst case, we wait for konttori's baby to grow up so konttori can come back to work and drive the release :) Apr 18 17:30:33 for some obscure reason i cannot get "more" application button Apr 18 17:31:01 so there are only those with shortcuts on the desktop for me to try Apr 18 17:31:13 timeless_mbp; can't he do that from home? Apr 18 17:31:23 im sure he could. Apr 18 17:31:30 he's on paternity leave Apr 18 17:31:55 paternity leave is only 6 months iirc Apr 18 17:32:08 one thing i saw today that isn't good is flash got delayed till 2nd half. Apr 18 17:32:09 don't tell that in tmo or they will do something to "fix the situation". Apr 18 17:32:13 iirc finland is such that if you're on sick leave and you go into work, that terminates your leave Apr 18 17:32:29 phreck: "flash"? Apr 18 17:32:33 im hoping they are not waiting for flash 10 for 1.2 Apr 18 17:32:38 He can always work for free, then no break ;) Apr 18 17:32:45 flash 10 Apr 18 17:32:45 phreck: it wasn't a deliverable i saw on any list Apr 18 17:32:57 so it certainly shouldn't be blocking 1.2 Apr 18 17:33:04 good. Apr 18 17:33:15 that doesn't mean it *isn't* Apr 18 17:33:20 hahaha Apr 18 17:33:26 there's a difference between sane and reality Apr 18 17:33:30 and if you fall sick before regular leave, your regular leave/vacation gets moved forward by how long you're sick Apr 18 17:33:32 yea. Apr 18 17:33:34 sadly, at times, quite a big difference Apr 18 17:33:46 ShadowJK: really? Apr 18 17:34:02 but it had been nice if flash 10 had been in 1.2, start to hit sites that blocks older flash players... gosh it was so much beter when there wasn't even frames in html Apr 18 17:34:23 adobes ceo said 2nd half for flash 10 on blackberry, android and whatever others were waiting. Apr 18 17:34:35 timeless_mbp, dunno if it's universal Apr 18 17:35:07 microb doesnt do html5 does it. Apr 18 17:35:56 I think approximately nothing has full html5 support, on any platform. I could be wrong though :) Apr 18 17:37:30 ShadowJK; if you put together Opera, FireFox and Chromium, then you get something that could support 90% of html5 :P Apr 18 17:39:40 heh. Apr 18 17:39:50 phreck: what do you mean by 'html5'? Apr 18 17:40:20 (most people who ask about html5 are clueless, especially if they ask in checkbox fashion) Apr 18 17:40:39 i am pretty clueless about it. Apr 18 17:40:57 ... Apr 18 17:41:13 i see apple making a big push for it though with the absense of flash on their platform. Apr 18 17:41:30 so as far as media i guess Apr 18 17:41:33 Which features of HTML5 do you care about? Apr 18 17:41:34 "they're pushing for something, i bet no one else supports it!" Apr 18 17:41:45 i know there isnt an official codec yet Apr 18 17:41:47 the logic there is impeccable Apr 18 17:41:52 'yet' Apr 18 17:41:55 ...HTML5 is /way/ more than video playback :V Apr 18 17:41:56 you're assuming there will be one Apr 18 17:42:05 iknow its way more Apr 18 17:42:11 there's no guarantee there will be one (in html5) Apr 18 17:42:15 timeless im not Apr 18 17:42:33 phreck: your sentence as written makes a presumption Apr 18 17:43:06 first off i hate apple. Apr 18 17:43:10 I heard someone once tried to license vp8, and on2 told them part of the license fees go to mpeg-la Apr 18 17:43:21 blah. Apr 18 17:44:48 i was at a con last month, it was full of apple cultists, and they were all masturbating over the ipad release. i then asked why it did not support flash, they all laughed at me like i was an idiot and started rambling about html5 Apr 18 17:45:22 haha Apr 18 17:46:13 i kind of like them for not supporting flash :| Apr 18 17:46:24 * ShadowJK too :) Apr 18 17:47:15 But the eternal pessimist I am, I'm suspecting the replacement will have even more performance, stability and memory footprint issues Apr 18 17:47:50 * Trizt rather have the Dynabook which the iPad is based on Apr 18 17:49:22 i want devices that understand spoken language and can translate spoken/written text Apr 18 17:49:46 translate into what? Apr 18 17:49:53 klingon Apr 18 17:49:58 1010101010111 Apr 18 17:50:03 * SpeedEvil passes out the blood-wine. Apr 18 17:50:05 bcd Apr 18 17:50:09 fortran Apr 18 17:50:20 assembler Apr 18 17:50:26 does ipad support html5 though? Apr 18 17:50:34 frals, last onlne 402 days ago? Apr 18 17:50:40 lol thats not me Apr 18 17:50:50 lol Apr 18 17:50:51 whats your name on steam then Apr 18 17:50:57 ill add you instead :P Apr 18 17:50:59 ping me a priv msg Apr 18 17:53:31 pc gaming, meh Apr 18 17:54:30 RST38h: only when you use it for annoying iAds, if you try to use it for anything useful it crashes and apple removes your app from the store. Apr 18 17:55:22 come to think of it, "useful" and "html5" do not usually mix either.... Apr 18 17:55:29 javispedro: I thought Apple did not learn how to "remove apps" off the Web yet? =) Apr 18 17:56:32 does anyone still believe in the web as an application distribution platform? I though gazillions of iphone owners don't.... :P Apr 18 17:56:47 * MohammadAG asks RST38h when he's going to remove the XChat plugin Apr 18 17:56:58 Heh Apr 18 17:57:17 As soon as someone tells me what is wrong with the app icon in the XChat own bubbles Apr 18 17:57:23 javispedro: or is the web becoming the platform Apr 18 17:57:35 i see continued coexistence for now Apr 18 17:57:38 RST38h, LOL I thought you knew Apr 18 17:57:39 javis: iphone owners believe into whatever jobs tells them to Apr 18 17:57:46 question: i edit the file transition.ini on my n900 and changed the "sequenced = 0" - entry into "sequenced = 1" ... but nothing happens :( i want the wave-effect in the menu....that did i wrong? :( Apr 18 17:58:10 Mohammad: Nope :( I disabled the plugin, enabled XChat's own bubbles, but they come up with brokn icon Apr 18 17:58:12 did you save it? Apr 18 17:58:15 yes Apr 18 17:58:22 in vi with :wq Apr 18 17:58:35 yeah, the white X Apr 18 17:58:43 hm? Apr 18 17:58:46 did you sacrifice a small mammal to the Tentacled One? Apr 18 17:58:48 Ubuntu doesn't display it Apr 18 17:58:55 as root? Apr 18 17:59:06 you mean me right now?^^ Apr 18 17:59:09 MohammadAG: Apr 18 17:59:10 ^^ Apr 18 18:00:51 TeQuillaaaA, yep Apr 18 18:00:59 yes...as root Apr 18 18:01:46 there are two parts where sequenced is available [launcher_in] and [launcher_in_sub] Apr 18 18:01:57 i changed both sequenced entry Apr 18 18:01:58 +s Apr 18 18:02:02 entries Apr 18 18:02:09 close vi Apr 18 18:02:16 omg..my english is so terrible Apr 18 18:02:16 :D Apr 18 18:02:17 then killall hildon-desktop Apr 18 18:02:35 but i did restart Apr 18 18:02:44 is it not enough? Apr 18 18:02:59 hmm Apr 18 18:03:13 cat the transitions.ini file, maybe you didn't save it? Apr 18 18:03:51 w8 Apr 18 18:04:08 paste on pastebin if you want to paste Apr 18 18:04:14 wow Apr 18 18:04:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yW6UKpyeM8 Apr 18 18:04:18 oops Apr 18 18:04:22 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=616004&postcount=1 Apr 18 18:05:08 what should i paste? Apr 18 18:05:11 seriously, I'm not alone! Apr 18 18:05:16 the transition.ini? Apr 18 18:05:26 i only changed this two entries Apr 18 18:05:44 wait Apr 18 18:05:49 i install a other theme Apr 18 18:05:59 maybe is this the bad task?^^ Apr 18 18:06:04 TeQuillaaaA, if you did change them and it didn't work I have no idea Apr 18 18:06:16 /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini Apr 18 18:06:25 that's the file Apr 18 18:06:27 yes Apr 18 18:06:40 nope, shouldn't matter Apr 18 18:07:28 hm... Apr 18 18:07:28 :( Apr 18 18:08:55 i installed this category-application Apr 18 18:09:00 i dont know the name Apr 18 18:09:51 I can't get evopedia to work, it just shows all the files in the folder Apr 18 18:10:03 MohammadAG: catorise Apr 18 18:10:22 hmm, not sure Apr 18 18:10:30 umm Apr 18 18:10:35 install some application now Apr 18 18:10:40 to regenrate the menu Apr 18 18:10:46 i will deinstall the catorise Apr 18 18:10:55 no Apr 18 18:11:04 isnt better Apr 18 18:11:25 so i reboot now Apr 18 18:11:44 is anyone here exprienced with evopedia ? Apr 18 18:11:56 no.. Apr 18 18:12:00 to difficult :D Apr 18 18:12:09 and to big file^^ Apr 18 18:12:18 lol Apr 18 18:14:55 =( Apr 18 18:15:10 i am sad right now Apr 18 18:17:07 * SpeedEvil passes TeQuillaaaA some salt, and a lime. Apr 18 18:17:15 :) Apr 18 18:17:21 dont helps me Apr 18 18:17:21 =( Apr 18 18:18:59 killall hildon-desktop :) Apr 18 18:19:08 is that the command? Apr 18 18:19:09 :) Apr 18 18:19:31 yep Apr 18 18:20:26 nothing happens Apr 18 18:20:27 :( Apr 18 18:25:12 hi, I've trouble to build a package in scratchbox in ARMEL Apr 18 18:35:25 Ehehe: http://gizmodo.com/5519809/eyjafjallajokull-daily-co2-output-utterly-dwarfed-by-european-aviation-industry Apr 18 18:37:37 driving in the ash cloud: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8627956.stm?ls Apr 18 18:38:18 do they end up jumping into the crater? =) Apr 18 18:38:31 * frals slaps lcuk with some bacon Apr 18 18:39:23 those birds are pretty hardcore living under those conditions Apr 18 18:42:09 frals, not a lot they can do Apr 18 18:42:22 even they are grounded! Apr 18 18:42:24 THe can get *angry*. Apr 18 18:42:34 s/THe/THey/ Apr 18 18:42:37 does anyone else has an idea? Apr 18 18:42:38 nature: knows when the shits bad Apr 18 18:42:54 i have many ideas Apr 18 18:43:06 because my problem Apr 18 18:43:07 :-/ Apr 18 18:43:16 i only just sat down Apr 18 18:43:59 i need tea, my throat is killing me :( Apr 18 18:46:04 I've heard of ones body attacking itself, but throat? That's ridiculous. Apr 18 18:53:51 hey all Apr 18 18:54:35 has anyone got a bluetooth keyboard + mouse to work well with an N900? Apr 18 18:55:20 PhonicUK: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38372 Apr 18 18:55:23 not sure about mice Apr 18 18:55:37 kk Apr 18 18:56:02 this might be fun, i gather that using a PS3 controller over bluetooth causes BT keyboards/mice not to work Apr 18 18:59:12 i /wi4 Apr 18 18:59:16 ark Apr 18 19:00:07 also has anyone got SSH to behave with an authorized_keys file? Apr 18 19:01:16 PhonicUK: yep, using it that way pretty much since day 1 Apr 18 19:01:41 its killing the connection when i try to use it :\ Apr 18 19:02:42 try ssh -vv this@that so you see what's going on Apr 18 19:03:21 hi. I just installed maemo5 sdk, started it and used sb-menu like the sdk install told me. Now I don't know what about the rootstrap. I can choose a file (which?) or a download (URL?) Apr 18 19:03:41 im using a windows host to connect Apr 18 19:03:45 w/ puTTy Apr 18 19:04:53 to get the wave-effect, i only have to edit the entry "sequenced = 0" in the file transition.ini or? Apr 18 19:05:25 ah Apr 18 19:05:30 works with DSA but not RSA Apr 18 19:05:59 PhonicUK: check /etc/ssh/sshd_config Apr 18 19:06:37 # RSAAuthentication yes Apr 18 19:07:01 to get the wave-effect, i only have to edit the entry "sequenced = 0" in the file transition.ini or? Apr 18 19:07:03 :P Apr 18 19:07:32 but it doesnt work :( Apr 18 19:07:36 PhonicUK: uncomment :P Apr 18 19:07:58 PhonicUK: might need to restart ssh to take effect Apr 18 19:08:59 * MohammadAG_ wonders if there's a way to extract MMS settings Apr 18 19:09:23 hey fuzzythebear Apr 18 19:09:39 siting art the pub havin a beer Apr 18 19:10:04 nobody who can help me? :( Apr 18 19:10:56 MohammadAG: for what? and from where? Apr 18 19:11:11 Symbian devices :/ Apr 18 19:11:21 I can't seem to find the settings for MMS Apr 18 19:11:40 XChat on two devices is kinda pointless Apr 18 19:11:46 i will capitulate Apr 18 19:11:47 :( Apr 18 19:11:50 hmm, on my n95 mms settings was listed with the 3g internet ones Apr 18 19:12:27 hmm, last I tried those it failed Apr 18 19:14:04 what operator you on? Apr 18 19:14:06 and what country? Apr 18 19:14:19 * PhonicUK cannot find his N900 :\ Apr 18 19:14:31 * PhonicUK is SSHed into his N900 and has no idea where it is Apr 18 19:14:43 so its somewhere in my flat Apr 18 19:14:55 PhonicUK: play some music from commanline Apr 18 19:15:01 yah i was thinking that Apr 18 19:15:09 play-sound doesn't work for MP3s though... Apr 18 19:15:16 mplayer Apr 18 19:15:39 is mplayer properly optified? Apr 18 19:15:53 i think it is because it is in extras Apr 18 19:15:55 play Apr 18 19:16:03 frals, Orange IL Apr 18 19:16:15 we'll find out in a moment :) Apr 18 19:16:17 aka Parter Communications LTD (as wikipedia lists them) Apr 18 19:16:22 cat /usr/local/bin/beep Apr 18 19:16:22 #!/bin/sh Apr 18 19:16:23 play-sound /usr/share/sounds/ui-wake_up_tune.wav Apr 18 19:16:23 * PhonicUK wishes Conky was a command line app Apr 18 19:16:42 MohammadAG_: I assume you tried the ones listed at http://wiki.maemo.org/MMS Apr 18 19:16:49 aha!! Apr 18 19:17:02 also, can I change that .wav to make it play something different? Apr 18 19:17:03 frals, when was that wiki made? Apr 18 19:17:07 * MohammadAG_ has to get with the times Apr 18 19:17:11 uh its been there for ages Apr 18 19:17:23 IL is israel right? :P Apr 18 19:17:25 http://wiki.maemo.org/MMS#Orange_2 Apr 18 19:17:37 yes Apr 18 19:18:01 Password: Mobile54 Apr 18 19:18:03 PhonicUK: yes - that was simply the first wav I found that worked for a 'I'm here' noise Apr 18 19:18:08 I always thought it was empty Apr 18 19:18:09 aye Apr 18 19:18:17 frals, have you figured out world peace or pushed fmms to testing yet? whichever is easier? Apr 18 19:18:26 can you change the boot animation? Apr 18 19:18:34 Noobmonk3y, he got rid of the ash cloud Apr 18 19:18:41 MohammadAG_: Apr 18 19:18:42 it works Apr 18 19:18:43 Noobmonk3y: i figured i take the easiest one first so i expect world peace by the end of the quarter Apr 18 19:18:43 :D Apr 18 19:18:45 lol Apr 18 19:18:46 IT WOOORKS Apr 18 19:18:47 :) Apr 18 19:18:51 yeeah Apr 18 19:18:56 I add 1000 to the spee Apr 18 19:18:57 d Apr 18 19:18:57 * Noobmonk3y is joining in and smoking. Apr 18 19:19:00 looks better Apr 18 19:19:06 yes...this was the problem i think Apr 18 19:19:11 i set it to 1200 Apr 18 19:19:15 and now, it works^^ Apr 18 19:19:25 maybe, it was to slow to display? Apr 18 19:19:39 MohammadAG_: it might be a small 'm' on the password (thats what operator_settings says anyway) Apr 18 19:19:48 but since someone added it there i *assume* they work ;) Apr 18 19:20:06 frals, operator_settings? Apr 18 19:20:18 /etc/operator_settings on PR1.2 SDK Apr 18 19:20:42 wow Apr 18 19:20:45 never noticed that one Apr 18 19:20:53 frals, thanks! Apr 18 19:21:27 np! Apr 18 19:21:41 * Noobmonk3y thinks eveyone has 1.2 barr me Apr 18 19:22:09 * frals thinks Noobmonk3y should update his SDK Apr 18 19:22:32 * Noobmonk3y doesnt have an sdk :( Apr 18 19:22:44 i rely on u lot to test for me Apr 18 19:22:54 j/j #maemo-devel Apr 18 19:23:12 hello Apr 18 19:23:30 heya Apr 18 19:23:50 mplayer ate my rootfs :( Apr 18 19:24:18 hello i am triyn to install maemo-pc-connectivity but i get a missing dependency (upstart-job). The package is not in the repos. Do you know where to download it? Apr 18 19:24:20 Noobmonk3y: i only use it to package (and steal operator_settings) Apr 18 19:24:22 phonic, it spews it backup when it gets bored Apr 18 19:24:50 ahhhhh lol frals. no need for me to use it then :( Apr 18 19:25:04 do it all on the device :) Apr 18 19:25:42 frals, that "Havoc" thing is freaking me out, what is it :P Apr 18 19:25:56 MohammadAG_: its awesome! ;) http://blog.frals.se/2010/04/18/fmms-0-9-0-aka-getting-really-close-now/ Apr 18 19:26:18 the mode names are 100% logical imo! Apr 18 19:26:25 (after knowing what they do) Apr 18 19:27:38 * MohammadAG_ doesn't like the reboot part, but I agree, it IS AWESOME! Apr 18 19:27:56 I'm assuming 0.9.0 is still not in -devel right? Apr 18 19:28:08 dont think so, only uploaded it an hour ago or so Apr 18 19:28:29 * MohammadAG_ goes to the cauldron list Apr 18 19:28:35 [2010-04-18 21:12:56] fmms 0.9.0 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository Apr 18 19:28:45 cool blog post frals! Apr 18 19:28:57 "OK!" Apr 18 19:29:02 MohammadAG_: should be in devel now actually http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms/ Apr 18 19:29:02 anyony around who develops packages for maemo? I must have missed something and don't know what. I installed the maemo5 sdk and I logged in with /scratchbox/login but I can't even "apt-get upgrade", lots of missing dependencies "...but get not installed". Or isn't this needed at all? Apr 18 19:29:10 lol= how come mine go in within 5 mins? Apr 18 19:29:21 frals, lol was loading that package Apr 18 19:29:23 page* Apr 18 19:29:27 Noobmonk3y: you must time it with the package importer everytime ;) Apr 18 19:29:30 and thanks! Apr 18 19:29:31 * MohammadAG_ updates lists Apr 18 19:29:34 :) Apr 18 19:29:50 or the package importer time it with me :) Apr 18 19:29:53 * frals still wishes download stats were available for -devel Apr 18 19:29:54 * MohammadAG_ got his broken package in -devel instantly Apr 18 19:29:59 to make me look bad ^ Apr 18 19:30:18 the fixed one took half an hour Apr 18 19:30:20 Nils^: you have to provide fakeroot before apt-get command Apr 18 19:30:31 petteri: even with this. Apr 18 19:30:41 Nils^, did you install the nokia binaries? Apr 18 19:30:51 MohammadAG_: I am not sure Apr 18 19:30:54 not manually Apr 18 19:31:00 I tried to follow the maemo wiki Apr 18 19:32:27 MohammadAG_: yes, it seems I installed them. Apr 18 19:32:32 look up the nokia binaries from the wikipage you were using and make sure that you installed those. They are essential. You need to approve somekind of eula before installing the nokia binaries Apr 18 19:32:34 nokia-binaries is already the newest version. Apr 18 19:32:38 ok Apr 18 19:32:56 any specific error message? Apr 18 19:33:20 hm.. maybe I forgot fakeroot while apt-get update Apr 18 19:33:21 ... Apr 18 19:33:45 this seems to be the case. Apr 18 19:33:50 petteri: you need to agree to a contract, you mean Apr 18 19:34:01 before downloading Apr 18 19:34:07 luke-jr: something like that Apr 18 19:34:09 :) Apr 18 19:34:17 copyright law does not require a license to install ;) Apr 18 19:34:29 MohammadAG_, could you take a look at the guys issue swith h/c please?@ima gonna try a reinstall too. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=616502#post616502 Apr 18 19:35:22 uh MohammadAG_: did you install fmms 0.9.0? Apr 18 19:35:33 some dude saying his phone just reboots when he launches it.. but i cant reproduce here :P Apr 18 19:35:38 frals, it just finished updating the lists Apr 18 19:35:41 err Apr 18 19:36:31 for some reason extras is slow here Apr 18 19:36:38 Fetched 3793kB in 4min13s (14.9kB/s) Apr 18 19:37:45 frals, purging should remove settings right? Apr 18 19:37:52 Purging configuration files for fmms ... Apr 18 19:37:52 nvm Apr 18 19:37:59 for fmms no Apr 18 19:38:03 i doubt it does anyway Apr 18 19:38:10 so where are the configs stored? Apr 18 19:38:12 gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/fmms Apr 18 19:38:16 would clear it thou Apr 18 19:38:28 and rm -r /home/user/.fmms to remove all messages Apr 18 19:38:37 I think that got removed by purge Apr 18 19:39:01 as its not installed by dpkg i doubt it Apr 18 19:39:15 its created by application on first launch so tools wont know about it Apr 18 19:39:26 which repository shall I add (in the maemo sdk) to get the midnight commander? Apr 18 19:39:50 frals, how do I set up settings automatically? Apr 18 19:39:59 scp'd the operator_settings file Apr 18 19:40:03 ah Apr 18 19:40:08 replace the one in /etc/ with it Apr 18 19:40:18 and then open the configuration -> press configure Apr 18 19:40:24 replace? Apr 18 19:40:32 there was one in there? Apr 18 19:40:47 uh yeah shouldve been Apr 18 19:40:49 guess it got overwritten anyways (scp'd in /etc directly) Apr 18 19:40:52 :D Apr 18 19:41:09 * MohammadAG_ purges fapn Apr 18 19:41:17 haha, teh fuck, just as i installed 0.9.0 from repos and launch it i get an mms from my gf Apr 18 19:41:25 like, i get the notification the same second i see fmms loading Apr 18 19:41:26 lol Apr 18 19:44:29 lol! Apr 18 19:45:17 frals, it check for MMS automatically right? Apr 18 19:45:36 uh, you'll get a notification whenever an MMS is coming yeah Apr 18 19:45:47 its a push protocol, not a pull :) Apr 18 19:46:20 basically your carrier sends your device a special sms saying "oi wake up you wnkr theres an mms at this url, please get it so i can remove it" Apr 18 19:46:42 which fMMS takes care off and does the appropriate magic ;) Apr 18 19:46:44 lol Apr 18 19:46:51 wnkr XD Apr 18 19:47:16 i translated it to brittish so Noobmonk3y would understand as well ;) Apr 18 19:47:30 lmao Apr 18 19:47:38 * Noobmonk3y blinks Apr 18 19:47:41 lol Apr 18 19:48:10 i liked it! Apr 18 19:48:18 good translation! Apr 18 19:48:53 i only know one phrase in swedish....... and it translates to "bite the pillow"..... Apr 18 19:49:16 bit i kudden? Apr 18 19:49:25 yup Apr 18 19:49:39 i think the whole sentence would be "bit i kudden, pappa kliver upp ett steg" Apr 18 19:50:02 lol whatever that says, i'm sure its funny! Apr 18 19:50:39 "bite the pillow, daddy is " not sure how to translate it properly but it basically means you gonna get it in the bum Apr 18 19:50:42 :P Apr 18 19:51:25 so second post after i announce new version someone posts it crashes hes device on start, good PR yes/no? Apr 18 19:52:03 frals, no crashes here Apr 18 19:52:05 his N900 sucks Apr 18 19:52:10 release into extras!!! Apr 18 19:52:14 as i assumed Apr 18 19:52:15 hehe Apr 18 19:52:38 frals, if an MMS is not retrieved in a month Apr 18 19:52:42 does it stay there? Apr 18 19:52:46 4 months in this case lol Apr 18 19:52:52 lol Apr 18 19:53:01 depends on operator but its highly unlikely id say Apr 18 19:53:05 i think mine saves em for 2 weeks Apr 18 19:53:16 give me your number and ill send you one ;) Apr 18 19:53:17 lol Apr 18 19:53:22 did the other me just join? Apr 18 19:53:32 Noobmonk3y, kill the ***** Apr 18 19:53:33 :P Apr 18 19:53:45 wtf, my brother is on it Apr 18 19:53:46 frals, now why should I cost you an MMS? :P Apr 18 19:53:49 o.O Apr 18 19:53:54 Noobmonk3y, how old is he? Apr 18 19:54:00 OI you sod, get of my laptop! Apr 18 19:54:04 32 Apr 18 19:54:08 LOL Apr 18 19:54:17 err, the other sod please Apr 18 19:54:23 lol! Apr 18 19:54:23 is there some better media player than the original? :) Apr 18 19:54:34 supertramp, an iphone Apr 18 19:54:39 MohammadAG_: it costs me... ~0.069€ Apr 18 19:54:40 :} Apr 18 19:54:45 * Noobmonk3y runs for the hills Apr 18 19:54:56 iphone sucks Apr 18 19:55:01 frals, not if I'm not in the UK :P Apr 18 19:55:11 im in .se Apr 18 19:55:19 I'm in .IL Apr 18 19:55:23 .il* Apr 18 19:55:30 * MohammadAG_ humblizes IL Apr 18 19:55:32 yeah and i pay 0.069€ per MMS to everyone Apr 18 19:55:43 I'm looking for something like winamp or so ... Apr 18 19:55:44 Hi Apr 18 19:55:46 except for ppl on same operator as me, then its free ;) Apr 18 19:56:03 supertramp, not sure there is a decent one yet Apr 18 19:56:06 something I can save my tracklists / play directories etc :( Apr 18 19:56:29 if you find one, let me know :) Apr 18 19:56:36 frals, I'll just add it to my father's bill :P Apr 18 19:56:40 * MohammadAG_ gets his dad's phone Apr 18 19:56:44 you could prob get a decent one on easy debian Apr 18 19:57:38 hm - easy debian is too slow - and also it requires mmc disk to be mounted with chroot ... Apr 18 19:58:06 I'll try to compile audacious or something ... Apr 18 19:58:48 how long does a msg take to be sent anyways Apr 18 19:58:52 oh, message sent Apr 18 20:00:17 frals, you sure it's push? Apr 18 20:00:30 :P Apr 18 20:00:31 supertramp: try mpd and nice gui Apr 18 20:00:55 I got an SMS from Orange, nothing else Apr 18 20:00:59 * Noobmonk3y pushes MohammadAG_ Apr 18 20:01:24 kk Apr 18 20:01:26 thx guys Apr 18 20:01:34 * Noobmonk3y waves Apr 18 20:02:03 frals, it failed at configuring Apr 18 20:02:26 * MohammadAG_ takes it down from devel Apr 18 20:02:28 :P Apr 18 20:02:45 Hi. I've installed clawsmail (on an n800) but the led keeps on blinking. I had unread mails when I installed claws. Now I've read them all. but.. it keeps on blinking. any idea? Apr 18 20:03:40 MohammadAG_: what does the SMS from orange say? that you got an mms waiting? :P Apr 18 20:04:08 frals, something like that, but I tried to send a message and it said Error: -2 Name or service not known Apr 18 20:04:25 it would be a bit rude if it said "damn you mum is fit, we are keeping that pic for our collection!" Apr 18 20:04:27 Please make sure your APN settings are correct Apr 18 20:04:35 ROFL Apr 18 20:04:38 would it be theoretical possible to run Windows applications (through some random i386 emulator and wine)? Apr 18 20:04:49 FIQ: yes Apr 18 20:04:57 yes, it would take a year to launch notepad Apr 18 20:04:58 has it been done? Apr 18 20:05:03 awesome! Apr 18 20:05:06 * MohammadAG_ doubts that Apr 18 20:05:06 * FIQ starts notepad Apr 18 20:05:08 FIQ: the cpu speed is likely to be on a par with a 386/40 or something Apr 18 20:05:22 FIQ, see ya when PR1.2 gets released :P Apr 18 20:05:26 FIQ: optimistically Apr 18 20:05:33 heh Apr 18 20:05:35 * MohammadAG_ likes that word Apr 18 20:05:51 I think windows95 can run natively on the n95 :) Apr 18 20:05:55 well, obviously i was not going to run some windows games Apr 18 20:06:05 just a few nice programs for win Apr 18 20:06:06 c|oneman, not natively Apr 18 20:06:10 * Noobmonk3y is still predicting 1.2 this week :) Apr 18 20:06:18 its not emulated is it? Apr 18 20:06:20 x86 is emulated using DOSbox Apr 18 20:06:23 oh Apr 18 20:06:32 hm Apr 18 20:06:32 Noobmonk3y, then again you're predicting 1.2 every week Apr 18 20:06:35 win95... Apr 18 20:06:39 on a N95... Apr 18 20:06:42 nope, not me :) Apr 18 20:06:42 * MohammadAG_ hopes PR1.2 gets released next week Apr 18 20:06:44 loss95 Apr 18 20:06:50 only posted once about it Apr 18 20:06:53 if so, it really would be possible to run it on a N900 as well... Apr 18 20:06:55 oh well. Apr 18 20:06:59 :) Apr 18 20:07:02 and then, we have the thing i want.. somehow! Apr 18 20:07:13 FIQ, win 95 runs on the N900 Apr 18 20:07:14 MohammadAG_: what connection mode did you pic? Apr 18 20:07:16 pick* Apr 18 20:07:20 and what does the log say? Apr 18 20:07:21 as well as 98 Apr 18 20:07:23 * frals tabs back to bc2 Apr 18 20:07:27 frals, err, I chose configure Apr 18 20:07:28 so... why would it take ages to start notepad that way, if a full-fledged windows installation would run somewhat fine? Apr 18 20:07:28 lol Apr 18 20:07:29 LOL Apr 18 20:08:01 well Apr 18 20:08:04 fiq, people have got win95 and 98 working on the N900... but dual booting Apr 18 20:08:09 FIQ, thought you were like the tmo-guys who want CoD on it Apr 18 20:08:19 or some guy who PM'd me asking about a PS3 emulator Apr 18 20:08:23 okay that's a bug, removed the notification and set it up again, not blinking anymore. Apr 18 20:08:27 lol Apr 18 20:08:40 :) Apr 18 20:08:42 I told him it's in the works, gonna be built into PR1.4 Apr 18 20:08:50 lol Apr 18 20:09:22 * MohammadAG_ wants to get BC2 to pwn frals Apr 18 20:09:24 :P Apr 18 20:09:40 what's BC2? Apr 18 20:09:50 Battlefield Bad company 2 Apr 18 20:09:54 Company* Apr 18 20:09:58 uh sounds too modern for my taste. Apr 18 20:10:02 lol Apr 18 20:10:21 * MohammadAG_ has been offline on PSN for about a week Apr 18 20:10:30 I liked BattleField 1942 desert combat mod. Apr 18 20:10:30 ~curse Sony Apr 18 20:10:34 * Noobmonk3y wants tetris on th N900 and not some crappy copy Apr 18 20:10:44 nes emulator? Apr 18 20:10:53 * MohammadAG_ asks Noobmonk3y to google a GTK tetris game Apr 18 20:11:07 hmm... Apr 18 20:11:15 A tetris clone for Linux with GTK+ interface. Apr 18 20:11:15 meh Apr 18 20:11:18 Building! Apr 18 20:11:24 does i really have to wait to PR1.2 for getting working OGG in libsdl? Apr 18 20:11:25 Noobmonk3y, http://xkcd.com/724/ Apr 18 20:11:31 Noobmonk3y, http://sourceforge.net/dbimage.php?id=79769 Apr 18 20:11:39 FIQ, no it seems to work just fine. Apr 18 20:11:44 someone at here told me that Apr 18 20:11:47 wesnoth uses ogg afaict Apr 18 20:11:50 did someone say bacon? Apr 18 20:11:52 MohammadAG_, dynamic accelerometer controlled falling Apr 18 20:11:53 lcuk, now that's a clone! Apr 18 20:12:00 damn, now I'm hungry Apr 18 20:12:03 hmm... well, tried download libsdl-oggwav (or something like that), failed Apr 18 20:12:06 * MohammadAG_ is confused Apr 18 20:12:15 MohammadAG_, im thinking ahead Apr 18 20:12:16 tried to get sound working in hedgewars Apr 18 20:12:16 FIQ, in scratchbox? Apr 18 20:12:21 good pick lcuk! Apr 18 20:12:26 no, in xterm in maemo.. Apr 18 20:12:39 mmmmmmmmm bacon Apr 18 20:12:40 hmm Apr 18 20:12:48 MohammadAG_: it defaults to polite where you have to connect manually to the MMS APN, hence the sending failure Apr 18 20:12:49 but i have wesnoth Apr 18 20:12:52 does it install it? Apr 18 20:13:02 as a dependecy Apr 18 20:13:04 frals, but I Set it to havoc Apr 18 20:13:12 FIQ, perhaps it doesn't use ogg.. Apr 18 20:13:13 hm Apr 18 20:13:16 send me the log plx! Apr 18 20:14:10 lcuk: http://www.swfme.com/view/1046212 have you seen this? :) Apr 18 20:14:52 ok, does it exists a i386 emu at all? (just emulating an i386 processor, not a windows thing or so) Apr 18 20:15:02 then, i could get opera for N900. :d Apr 18 20:15:47 (the only application that i really miss on N900, that i cannot fix by myself) Apr 18 20:16:02 frals, coming up, if I can find that Apr 18 20:16:06 Noobmonk3y, want a teaser? Apr 18 20:16:51 Noobmonk3y, http://i44.tinypic.com/34tbm34.jpg Apr 18 20:17:19 lol! Apr 18 20:17:24 gonna port it? Apr 18 20:17:25 MohammadAG_: /tmp/fmms.log Apr 18 20:18:05 Noobmonk3y, it's already running isn't it... Apr 18 20:18:14 running? Apr 18 20:18:16 Noobmonk3y, compiled Apr 18 20:18:19 and running Apr 18 20:18:22 frals, sec then Apr 18 20:18:27 ooo i want! Apr 18 20:20:28 hahahaha Nitial Apr 18 20:21:16 * MohammadAG_ asks, how do I NOT import the default GTK theme? Apr 18 20:21:50 remove all lines og gtk code setting a theme Apr 18 20:22:00 should just b 1 or 2 Apr 18 20:22:27 well Apr 18 20:22:32 running it using ./gtktetris imports the hildon theme Apr 18 20:22:39 err, the standard theme* Apr 18 20:22:44 like the one in the scneenie Apr 18 20:23:05 running it as run-standalone.sh (which the N900 will do) imports the theme hildon Apr 18 20:23:10 which breaks the game Apr 18 20:23:13 looks like it sets a theme to me Apr 18 20:23:23 hildon sets it Apr 18 20:23:25 sadly Apr 18 20:24:09 http://i42.tinypic.com/27z953d.jpg Apr 18 20:24:21 as you can see, the bottom row is borked Apr 18 20:26:48 MohammadAG_: better than http://www.swfme.com/view/1046212 at least .. Apr 18 20:27:17 ROFL Apr 18 20:27:24 I thought it was shopped or sth Apr 18 20:29:15 now why did that happen ^ Apr 18 20:29:39 lol MohammadAG_ Apr 18 20:29:43 Noobmonk3y, did I crash your xchat? Apr 18 20:29:44 killed xchat Apr 18 20:29:49 yeah Apr 18 20:29:49 lmfao Apr 18 20:29:58 wasn't intended btw Apr 18 20:30:04 hehe Apr 18 20:31:06 meh, I blame the N900 version of xchat Apr 18 20:31:13 for what? Apr 18 20:31:17 * Noobmonk3y has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Apr 18 20:31:18 that Apr 18 20:31:24 lol Apr 18 20:31:30 and again Apr 18 20:31:30 * Offering test to Noobmonk3y Apr 18 20:31:35 it kills his xchat Apr 18 20:32:01 yup Apr 18 20:32:05 i never tried dcc to the n900 Apr 18 20:32:17 cehteh: works fine Apr 18 20:32:29 cehteh: I downloaded a couple of dozen books so far. Apr 18 20:32:36 (copies of works I own of course) Apr 18 20:32:40 books via dcc? Apr 18 20:32:43 yes Apr 18 20:32:45 heh Apr 18 20:32:56 lol Apr 18 20:32:58 haha Apr 18 20:33:04 * MohammadAG_ tries again Apr 18 20:33:07 apologies Noobmonk3y Apr 18 20:33:22 lmao I give up Apr 18 20:33:32 try dccing me something Apr 18 20:33:40 SpeedEvil, on N900? Apr 18 20:33:42 err - where me = N900evil Apr 18 20:33:46 oh Apr 18 20:34:13 MohammadAG_: connecting Apr 18 20:34:13 meh Apr 18 20:34:25 Noobmonk3y, I blame your N900 :) Apr 18 20:34:35 MohammadAG_: you know you have to punch a hole in your firewall to allow DCC send? Apr 18 20:34:36 so do i...... Apr 18 20:34:36 SpeedEvil, looks like ports aren't set up correctly on this PC Apr 18 20:34:40 ^ Apr 18 20:34:41 k Apr 18 20:34:49 lol Apr 18 20:34:49 but at least you didn't die Apr 18 20:35:32 im not sure if there's a defect in my n900 keyboard, but is there a brownish/copper color between the N and M keys? Apr 18 20:36:12 opdf2, nothing here, try running a paper or something through the keys, might be something in there Apr 18 20:36:27 not here either Apr 18 20:36:32 okay might be dirt then Apr 18 20:37:34 k its gone lol Apr 18 20:37:50 tried compressed air, but paper only works Apr 18 20:38:16 lol Apr 18 20:38:41 anyone using a car mount for their n900? Apr 18 20:38:45 im lookin for a good one Apr 18 20:39:03 i want one for its navi fxn Apr 18 20:41:03 omg. i think i finally found a damn jabber client that doesnt suck Apr 18 20:41:11 for android Apr 18 20:44:47 i have choice wiring up the car radio to the N900, or using the FM transmitter. Any idea which is less taxing on the battery? Apr 18 20:45:29 although, i would miss not having the calls routed to the car radio via the FM transmitter. Apr 18 20:45:53 for tar.gz, isn't the untar command tar -xzvf? Apr 18 20:45:54 both option suck Apr 18 20:45:55 I'd say wiring it up to the N900 Apr 18 20:46:13 oh, you mean wiring the 3.5mm jack? Apr 18 20:46:42 your calls would still be routed to the car radio if you did that. Apr 18 20:46:48 it would see it as a headset Apr 18 20:46:56 I think? Apr 18 20:46:59 thats what the n95 did Apr 18 20:47:25 if you use a normal 3.2mm jack it would think it are connected to a pair of headphones Apr 18 20:47:28 5.5* Apr 18 20:47:33 3.5* Apr 18 20:47:52 yes, the calls are not routed if i use the FM transmitter. Apr 18 20:48:26 but what eats the battery more, FM transmitter or pumping out audio via the 3.5mm jack. Apr 18 20:48:40 FM Transmitter I would say Apr 18 20:49:29 cool. i like the 3.5mm jack coz i can take calls on the car radio with it. Apr 18 20:49:50 trumee:  Fm transmitter would use more battery, and the 3.5mm jack would sound better Apr 18 20:50:09 * MohammadAG_ uses Bluetooth Apr 18 20:50:16 ^ best option Apr 18 20:50:16 or just pick up the phone, screw the police Apr 18 20:50:21 i wont be sure that the transmitter takes more Apr 18 20:50:38 that highly depends on what you plug into the jack too Apr 18 20:50:39 if you have charger in car, bluetooth is the way to go Apr 18 20:50:41 * MohammadAG_ hears someone on his door Apr 18 20:50:50 cehteh: it does compared to phones at non extreme volume Apr 18 20:50:57 yes transmitter and carging dont work together Apr 18 20:51:30 I would estimate the 3.5mm audio is many times higher quality than the fm transmitter Apr 18 20:51:32 opdf2: i am always afraid whether the car produces clean power, dont want to fry my device :) Apr 18 20:51:40 SpeedEvil: impedance of the load you put on it makes a difference too Apr 18 20:52:03 yeah Apr 18 20:52:16 I don't like the quality of FM transmitters Apr 18 20:52:22 for music Apr 18 20:52:49 low powered ones are bad Apr 18 20:53:19 I bought the most expensive one on dealextreme, it was 8$ :D Apr 18 20:53:34 I figured it must be the same as a 99$ monster one Apr 18 20:54:09 never tried a 'good' one Apr 18 20:54:34 MohammadAG_: any progress on that log? ;) Apr 18 20:54:42 * MohammadAG_ forgot Apr 18 20:54:54 that Apr 18 20:54:57 that's one big log Apr 18 20:55:25 frals, http://pastebin.com/KDb5MkPw Apr 18 20:55:32 ta Apr 18 20:55:42 oh crap, my number's in there Apr 18 20:55:43 :P Apr 18 20:56:06 ah crap it doesnt save the config as it should Apr 18 20:56:26 open configuration and in the apn configuration stuff press "save" on the dialog and it should save it properly :P Apr 18 20:58:11 frals, same error Apr 18 20:58:27 need to do some checking, im pretty sure its because it doesnt save the settings Apr 18 20:58:34 APN: None user: pass: proxyip: None mmsc1: mmsc2: 0 Apr 18 20:58:41 that line should print the settings and not a lot of empty :P Apr 18 20:58:51 have to go over my code i guess Apr 18 21:04:35 oh, MohammadAG_: is the config-dialog for apn settings filled in automatically? :P Apr 18 21:04:50 when I restart it? Apr 18 21:05:02 when you into the configuration window whenever Apr 18 21:05:04 * cehteh calls MohammadAG_ Apr 18 21:05:06 or are they empty? Apr 18 21:05:21 yes, phone number and image width are saved Apr 18 21:05:26 sa well as havoc Apr 18 21:05:28 in the next one Apr 18 21:05:30 s/sa/as Apr 18 21:05:37 if you press the big "Configure" button or whatever it says Apr 18 21:05:39 next to the APN label Apr 18 21:06:03 frals, Configure doesn't output anything Apr 18 21:06:15 it's just a big configure button Apr 18 21:06:20 it doesnt open a new dialog? Apr 18 21:06:25 nada Apr 18 21:06:29 hmm Apr 18 21:06:34 can you run it from terminal and see what it says? Apr 18 21:06:41 was about to do that :) Apr 18 21:06:41 /opt/fmms/fmms_gui.py Apr 18 21:06:55 just ssh'ing as user Apr 18 21:07:26 yep, there's an error Apr 18 21:07:27 frals: are more testers in the uk of use at this point? Apr 18 21:07:50 http://pastebin.com/c1023tPZ Apr 18 21:08:00 SpeedEvil: more testers are always welcome, but dont feel like you need to do it :) Apr 18 21:08:20 MohammadAG_: whats the output of gconftool-2 -R /apps/fmms ? Apr 18 21:08:50 MohammadAG_: remove the line that got your phonenumber in it ;) Apr 18 21:09:09 frals, lol idc if it gets shared :P Apr 18 21:09:22 if someone calls I'll answer and make them pay their bills Apr 18 21:09:29 * MohammadAG_ laughs diabolically Apr 18 21:09:35 hehe Apr 18 21:09:56 http://pastebin.com/xq1HExxi Apr 18 21:09:58 it mightve puked over the fact you had an MMS apn installed with fAPN and then removed it before launching the new fMMS version once Apr 18 21:10:43 frals, why'd you pick an N95 as the useragent? Apr 18 21:10:56 its what worked for most people Apr 18 21:10:56 why not something slightly more similar, like the N97? Apr 18 21:10:59 oh Apr 18 21:11:06 because tmo usa shat all over n97 for some reason Apr 18 21:11:19 oh right I forgot, the N900 imports FP1 settings Apr 18 21:11:30 err FP1-like Apr 18 21:11:43 Does your volume button also work opposite, when in phone-mode? Volume up will be the normal volume down button for me.. Apr 18 21:11:57 n900-dk: it's a feature Apr 18 21:12:09 SpeedEvil: not a bug? Apr 18 21:12:21 n900-dk, check the manual :) Apr 18 21:12:24 nope. Apr 18 21:12:34 who reads manuals :D Apr 18 21:12:47 n900-dk: everyone. (according to some at nokia) Apr 18 21:12:50 * MohammadAG_ read it in September Apr 18 21:12:56 ok thx, thought it was a bug Apr 18 21:12:57 (who are on the good drugs) Apr 18 21:13:01 Hi, all ... can you please tell me when DHD is usually online ? Apr 18 21:13:02 lol Apr 18 21:13:11 ~seen DHD Apr 18 21:13:17 hey VDVsx Apr 18 21:13:20 don't recall a DHD Apr 18 21:13:38 infobot's dead Apr 18 21:13:51 2010-01-25.044203+0000GMT.txt:(08:38:52 PM) ***red is looking for someone who knows a thing or two about XML & DTD Apr 18 21:13:55 is the sole mention Apr 18 21:13:56 oops Apr 18 21:13:58 but ok, if you have it in portraitmode, maybe it gives some kind of meaning.. Doesn't phone a lot :) Apr 18 21:14:20 2010-04-18.114253+0100BST.txt:(07:41:13 PM) aDHD`tCz [~adrian-ta@eak214.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] entered the room. Apr 18 21:14:20 2010-04-18.114253+0100BST.txt:(07:41:38 PM) aDHD`tCz left the room. Apr 18 21:14:32 sole mention of DHD Apr 18 21:14:59 DHD is the possible mentor for Pocket Jeeves project which I am applying for in GSOC, and I want to talk to him :) Apr 18 21:15:51 IIRC, in C/C++, a // is a comment, # has a function Apr 18 21:15:54 am I right? Apr 18 21:16:06 Why is there a huge scrolly list of apps to update? Apr 18 21:16:11 (when I go to update) Apr 18 21:16:31 SpeedEvil, cause the PR1.2 autobuilder issue was fixed Apr 18 21:16:34 have all the coders been especially busy this weekend? Apr 18 21:16:34 ah Apr 18 21:16:36 and most apps were rebuilt Apr 18 21:19:30 yay I fixed the tetris thing Apr 18 21:19:42 with 0 C/C++ knowledge XD Apr 18 21:19:54 MohammadAG: ive tracked down the issue i think, bug in my code :p Apr 18 21:20:06 * MohammadAG squashes the bug with an angry bird Apr 18 21:21:02 frals, I don't mind an early deb :P Apr 18 21:21:08 to test it :) Apr 18 21:21:14 yeah just fixing it now Apr 18 21:21:23 I mean before you upload it to -devel Apr 18 21:22:05 still curious how that guy on tmo has managed to get his phone to reboot when starting fmms Apr 18 21:22:07 speaking of angry birds, anyone have an idea why Rovio still hasn't put their level pack up again? Apr 18 21:23:16 frals, might be a 32wd_to Apr 18 21:23:54 <|R> Wolfie: and while we're at it, where the the airport game go? Apr 18 21:23:59 MohammadAG: whats the command to check bootreason again? Apr 18 21:24:20 we need a new airport game that randomly shuts down for days Apr 18 21:24:26 <|R> :] Apr 18 21:24:27 frals, cat /proc/bootreason Apr 18 21:28:07 hello, is this a place to ask help with my n900 ? Apr 18 21:28:36 yes Apr 18 21:31:09 i have a problem with the maemo extras repository, hildon complains about an invalid gpg signature Apr 18 21:31:19 re-update Apr 18 21:32:29 i have updated quite often already, did notice a duplicate extras entry that i removed, but that didn't help Apr 18 21:37:50 hypofyse: i havent figured that one out Apr 18 21:42:29 dear pr1.2 feel free to show your face any time now. Apr 18 21:49:55 wacom stylus feel much better on N900 Apr 18 21:51:06 everytime i use it i really dont want to use n900's agains Apr 18 21:51:18 http://cgi.ebay.com/N900-Dual-Sim-Touch-JAVA-MP4-Slide-keyboard-Cellphone_W0QQitemZ250613863219QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCell_Phones?hash=item3a59c01333 Apr 18 21:51:19 rofl Apr 18 21:51:22 wtf is that?? Apr 18 21:51:43 common fake Apr 18 21:53:00 it's a bad fake..fopr those know the screen is not 320x240 Apr 18 21:53:41 is that a windows mobile screen superimposed? Apr 18 21:55:28 looks like some poor sap bought one Apr 18 21:58:45 ColdFyre, looks Symbian-ish Apr 18 21:59:33 well - it is opensource :) Apr 18 21:59:41 with a windows background LOL Apr 18 22:00:37 hmm added the key using gpg but that didn't fix it either Apr 18 22:06:38 what to do... Apr 18 22:06:39 * hypofyse hums Apr 18 22:07:57 * MohammadAG needs a quick tetris icon Apr 18 22:09:25 L Apr 18 22:09:37 anyone has example code for virtual input that work? Apr 18 22:09:42 MohammadAG: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/7901/fmms_0.9.1_all.deb Apr 18 22:10:29 i want a version that will show how precise you put finger over a button Apr 18 22:11:29 frals, is there a menu icon for fMMS? Apr 18 22:11:34 yes Apr 18 22:11:37 like pressing over k will be faded by the pixel distance Apr 18 22:11:56 from the center of k button Apr 18 22:13:11 * MohammadAG wonders how to check for MMSs manually on symbian Apr 18 22:14:00 most likely not possible as thats not how it works really Apr 18 22:14:11 same way you cant check for SMSs manually ;) Apr 18 22:14:14 haven't received anything Apr 18 22:14:15 lol Apr 18 22:14:45 well, nothing here Apr 18 22:15:56 MohammadAG: the 2nd configure dialog opens properly now? Apr 18 22:16:11 anyone have an idea how to fix the gpg badsig e40dc434616730bd error with extras repository ? Apr 18 22:16:46 frals, yep Apr 18 22:25:17 so Apr 18 22:25:21 if bootreason says Vg_POw38 Apr 18 22:25:29 wtf does that mean? Apr 18 22:26:46 google Apr 18 22:27:12 hi, has anyone here made a desktop widget plugin? Apr 18 22:27:18 N900evil: 0 hits! Apr 18 22:28:16 hmm Apr 18 22:28:23 read kernel? Apr 18 22:31:09 that bootreason stuff seems to be maemo specific so not finding much Apr 18 22:31:15 if bootreason says Vg_POw38 Apr 18 22:31:23 corrupt bootreason file? :) Apr 18 22:31:37 ask him if he oc'd it Apr 18 22:31:49 its what the guy claiming fmms is crashing his phone gets Apr 18 22:32:07 yea, ask him if it's oc'd Apr 18 22:32:09 overclocked Apr 18 22:32:17 ya will do Apr 18 22:32:50 I think this warning should be adapted for overclocking PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't play with it unless you really know what you are doing Apr 18 22:33:13 hehe if you know what you are doing you wont try either :) Apr 18 22:33:47 if you know what you're doing you wouldn't look at warnings :) Apr 18 22:34:01 * MohammadAG remembers day 1 of him unboxing the N900 and turning it on Apr 18 22:34:20 btw what kernel does the mobile hotspot package install, own, one of t-tan's .. ? Apr 18 22:34:29 "It said something about not adding extras-devel cause it fills /, sounds exciting *adds repo*" Apr 18 22:35:13 i have devel and all stuff enabled ... but i consider me knowing enough about linux to know what i am doing ... Apr 18 22:35:28 and there are still bugs in userland which leave the device at 100% cpu Apr 18 22:35:44 together with a oc kernel you will fry your device eventually Apr 18 22:36:24 some may consider buying the next one in a few months .. but i buyed mine to last a few years Apr 18 22:36:58 cehteh, well I had some knowledge about linux (used it for 3 years before I got the N900), so I said what the heck and enabled them Apr 18 22:37:02 I reflashed on day 2 Apr 18 22:37:21 * cehteh uses linux for more than 10 years Apr 18 22:37:29 lol, the next one in "a few months"? >_> Apr 18 22:37:37 more like next year sometime I'd guess.... Apr 18 22:37:44 but I suppose you never know Apr 18 22:37:53 that included a replacement n900 ... :) Apr 18 22:37:59 * MohammadAG was 6 ten years ago Apr 18 22:38:21 but i nokia somwhere told they will come up with another maemo (then meego) device this year Apr 18 22:38:44 yeah, MAYBE. <_< Apr 18 22:38:45 hehe :) Apr 18 22:38:51 though i suppose the largest hurdles are over Apr 18 22:38:58 well, nevermind, switch to Meego is one of those Apr 18 22:39:30 can only be better than meaemo5 .. except rpm Apr 18 22:39:51 * MohammadAG facepalms at the "I moved root" thread Apr 18 22:40:08 he's like the guy who deleted /usr cause it had a lot of "useless" stuff Apr 18 22:40:21 lol Apr 18 22:40:28 yeah... rpm... blagh Apr 18 22:40:30 * rm_you sighs Apr 18 22:40:37 MohammadAG: haha Apr 18 22:40:56 ha, solved it Apr 18 22:41:28 stupid invalid domains Apr 18 22:41:56 * SpeedEvil nuked libc about a week after installing first linux. Apr 18 22:43:26 * Arkenoi remembers first (unsuccessful, for sure) attempt to upgrade libc5 to libc6 using ancient rpm Apr 18 22:46:07 is the maintainer of "Wizard Mounter" here on irc? Apr 18 22:46:29 this tool would be useful if it would support sshfs :P Apr 18 22:50:22 First rule of wizard mounting - ensure he consents. Apr 18 22:50:50 how can i transfer my PC's calendar to my n900? Apr 18 22:51:00 i use korganiser Apr 18 22:51:37 configured to keep everything in a single icalendar file Apr 18 22:55:58 * MohammadAG pings DocScrutinizer Apr 18 23:01:04 * MohammadAG takes back his ping Apr 18 23:02:25 is there any logical reason ... Apr 18 23:02:41 why copying files to the n900 stops a while at 450MB? :/ Apr 18 23:02:49 it looks like it freezes at that point Apr 18 23:02:53 BCMM: try any syncml solution? Apr 18 23:03:03 what's that? Apr 18 23:03:11 wall[e]: by the way, i've worked out how to import Apr 18 23:03:11 protocol Apr 18 23:03:14 copying from an ubuntu 64 bit in storage mode ... Apr 18 23:03:16 but a way to sync would be nice Apr 18 23:03:19 Gh0sty: particularly small files/ Apr 18 23:03:26 markup language Apr 18 23:03:32 SCPEEEEE Apr 18 23:03:32 Gh0sty: at that point Apr 18 23:03:41 i presume i can set things up so i don't have nasty issues if i've added events on teh desktop and on the n900? Apr 18 23:03:49 its 3 large files and 4 smaller Apr 18 23:04:10 BCMM: or may be you can try syncing pass google calendar first? Apr 18 23:04:13 but i also saw the FS is fat32 :/ Apr 18 23:04:29 is it possible to make 1 small fat 32 partition (say 4G) Apr 18 23:04:36 and make the rest something else :p Apr 18 23:04:45 XFS/ext3 or the likes ... Apr 18 23:05:09 using something else not MfE coz I don't think that is stable Apr 18 23:05:55 MohammadAG: oooh :-( Apr 18 23:06:21 lol couldn't remember what the perl script you told me once was (the one to add spaces at each line) Apr 18 23:06:28 did it manually anyways Apr 18 23:06:35 thanks DocScrutinizer :) Apr 18 23:06:50 perl script? sed ftw Apr 18 23:07:00 * MohammadAG remembers it was perl Apr 18 23:07:07 sed -c s/^/ / Apr 18 23:07:38 or almost like this Apr 18 23:07:50 lol Apr 18 23:07:55 thanks anyways :) Apr 18 23:08:56 BCMM: i never try but may be you can look at syncevolution Apr 18 23:09:20 anything but MfE Apr 18 23:09:29 it gave me a hard time using Apr 18 23:09:56 anyone is hacking modest? Apr 18 23:13:48 MohammadAG: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-04-13.log.html MohammadAG: cat myfile|sed 's/^/ /' >myfile_edited 04:06 Apr 18 23:15:01 thanks DocScrutinizer ! Apr 18 23:15:09 logs, why didn't I think of that Apr 19 00:04:35 Hello friends, I am trying to debug and hack the maemo kernel on n900. I would like to confirm if I have to use bootmenu in order to test it without screwing the current one Apr 19 00:05:08 kexec maybe? Apr 19 00:05:13 I'm unsure if it's in a working state Apr 19 00:05:22 Just compile an image and flash it. if sth goes wrong reflash the current kernel Apr 19 00:07:01 MohammadAG, yeah, good idea. Thanks :) Apr 19 00:10:20 is there a way to keep track of how many minutes of phone calls i have used this month? Apr 19 00:12:29 i have found how to track data usage and text messages, but not minutes Apr 19 00:16:07 ah, can check in the phone app Apr 19 00:16:26 only in totals since last reset though# Apr 19 00:16:53 anybody know any way to reset that automatically at a certain day of the month, or even how to reset it in a program? Apr 19 00:37:53 is maemo 5.0 ever going to ported to the N810 Apr 19 00:38:00 Mer :/ Apr 19 00:40:36 Ha Apr 19 00:40:57 parim: Maemo 5 is slow enough on the N900, why would you want it on the N810? Apr 19 00:42:13 i cant afford an N900 and i really like maemo 5.0 and i have a N810 and a N810 wimax Apr 19 00:42:32 would love to try maemo 5.0 on one of them Apr 19 00:42:37 find / -name goodjob Apr 19 00:43:16 find / -name goodjob -exec apply {} \. Apr 19 00:43:18 :p Apr 19 00:43:50 Not going to happen, unfortunately... and I can't see much benefit, apart from the finger-friendly widgets Apr 19 00:44:05 All the shiny UI transitions and prettyness just wouldn't translate to the N810 Apr 19 00:44:25 Wait another 5 years and Mer might get there, ha! Apr 19 00:44:30 i personally dont like the n900 for the screen Apr 19 00:44:53 why did nokia go smaller on the screen Apr 19 00:45:09 Yeah, I don't like it being smaller... but it's necessary for a phone Apr 19 00:45:18 See "sidetalkin" Apr 19 00:45:36 The N810 is just too big to be marketable as a phone Apr 19 00:46:10 i know, Apr 19 00:46:33 may be nokia will make a 5" tablet on meego Apr 19 00:46:38 that would amazing Apr 19 00:47:11 why only 5' ? Apr 19 00:47:29 nPad needs at least 8' Apr 19 00:47:37 Pfff, iPad ftw ;) Apr 19 00:47:40 past 5" and you start having a hard time putting it in your pocket Apr 19 00:47:47 rollable display ... Apr 19 00:47:51 You don't have a manbag? Apr 19 00:47:54 i agree with mictolith Apr 19 00:48:14 Gadgetoid_mbp: no, closest I get is a backpack, and I don't like dragging it with me unless I'm carrying a laptop Apr 19 00:48:30 and I sympathize with cehteh Apr 19 00:48:36 may be they should do something like ancos and make a 5" 7" and 10" tablet on meego Apr 19 00:48:37 I carry my 13" mbp, my N810 and my N900 everywhere... tablet isn't going to make much of an impression Apr 19 00:49:08 i have a 12" laptop and the n900 Apr 19 00:49:29 my N900 has let me effectively retire my aspire one, which is on meego netbook duty from now on Apr 19 00:49:34 Although if I hold out for the 3G iPad, folding it in 4 would be nice Apr 19 00:49:50 They folded it on YouTube... but it didn't work very well afterwards Apr 19 00:49:51 i carry a N95 , n81 two n810 around all day Apr 19 00:49:53 rollout OLED on PVC Apr 19 00:49:58 The hitting it with a baseball bat might have had something to do with it Apr 19 00:50:11 parim: two N810s? what on earthf or? Apr 19 00:50:29 DUAL SCREEN! Apr 19 00:50:44 nono Apr 19 00:50:46 dual screen is lame Apr 19 00:50:47 synced, for 3D Apr 19 00:51:04 I want a Microsoft Courier.... in much the same way that I want a Starship Enterprise Apr 19 00:51:17 microlith one of them is a WImax and i get amazing wimax service in my city Apr 19 00:51:31 actually i want a matchbox (well maybe cigarette box) sized computer somewhere at the belt or in pocket and highres VR google (translucent) incuding a camera which serves for gesture recognition and virtual keybaord Apr 19 00:51:52 microlint:i get 10mbps symmetric Apr 19 00:51:55 cehteh: exactly Apr 19 00:52:12 If nobody could see what I was viewing on my computer display, I'd have a 24/7 boner Apr 19 00:52:18 might look a little strange for a bystander but that would be awesome Apr 19 00:52:36 plus a projector in the matchbox Apr 19 00:52:53 maybe, but not necessary Apr 19 00:52:57 if you need to share screen Apr 19 00:53:02 Yeah... cehteh but the low level of situational awareness that an immersive VR computer would leave you, might have you jacking off at a bus stop..haai! Apr 19 00:53:04 well laser projector, nothing less Apr 19 00:53:23 Gadgetoid_mbp: haha Apr 19 00:53:37 i guess my wife would complain :P Apr 19 00:54:00 I already walk into lamp posts with my wits about me... I'd die if I had a VR computer Apr 19 00:54:04 hey guys one question, does any app on the N810 do video? Apr 19 00:54:15 Mplayer, parim? Apr 19 00:54:33 I used to torrent TV down to my N810 and play it in mplayer Apr 19 00:54:34 no, video chat Apr 19 00:54:38 Ooh Apr 19 00:54:41 Gadgetoid_mbp: ok for you some collision avoidance system :) .. with some zapping electrodes or so Apr 19 00:54:42 Yes and no... it's AWFUL Apr 19 00:54:54 cehteh: that would be handy! Apr 19 00:55:10 Gadgetoid_mbp: that's why the goggles are not only equipped with a microprojector, but also can darken selectively to create a black background for arbitrary parts of your view (and also make a really cool sunglasses) Apr 19 00:55:43 DocScrutinizer: great for us geeks, I could have a black/white "CENSORED" sign over the sun at all times Apr 19 00:55:57 hehehe Apr 19 00:56:05 Gadgetoid_mbp: any specific application that you think that comes to your mind? Apr 19 00:56:09 perfectly feasible Apr 19 00:56:31 sun allergy? .. whats sun? Apr 19 00:56:48 ah a computer-brand buyed out by oracle Apr 19 00:56:50 aah, and of course don't forget the eyetracker Apr 19 00:56:53 parim: I can't remember the name of it, but the video quality was utterly tragic Apr 19 00:57:15 Ahh, it would have been Gizmo I think Apr 19 00:57:53 Gadgetoid_mbp:i would love dump my N81 i just use it to do vidoe conference Apr 19 00:57:53 parim: arbitrary thread regarding Gizmo here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=12969 Apr 19 00:58:30 I got it working, but when I say the quality was tragic, I really, really mean it Apr 19 00:59:23 the inbult sip client supports video. it is pretty good over my local asterix server on wifi between two N810 Apr 19 01:00:20 gizmo was crap every time I checked it Apr 19 01:00:34 anyone considered gesture recognition with the n900 front cam .. it sux but some broad gestures may work Apr 19 01:01:01 sip video does not work on my n900 with a local asterisk even with videosupport=always Apr 19 01:01:09 been considered several times, even eyetracker Apr 19 01:01:10 shaking head, swoosh with a hand to some side or so Apr 19 01:01:23 cehteh: flip it off, to make it shut down? Apr 19 01:01:27 "these are not the app functions you are looking for" Apr 19 01:01:35 for eyetracking the frontcam is certainly not useable Apr 19 01:02:05 Gadgetoid_mbp: maybe :P Apr 19 01:02:42 cehteh: yeah, prolly not Apr 19 01:02:44 and with the main cam .. how reliable can one measure distances with autofocus? Apr 19 01:03:03 that would be a cool app too Apr 19 01:03:28 cehteh: forget it Apr 19 01:03:40 at least in less than few meters range it should give some useable results Apr 19 01:04:05 matter of being able to read the servo out Apr 19 01:04:08 doubt that Apr 19 01:04:16 no problem Apr 19 01:04:27 ask SpeedEvil - he's been there Apr 19 01:04:30 hey i am talking about +/-10 cm Apr 19 01:04:38 nooo way Apr 19 01:04:53 naybe 20cm +/- 10cm Apr 19 01:05:12 but for sure not 1m +/-10cm Apr 19 01:06:01 i think you may need calibrate it and then trigger a few autofocus aquisitions in a series and average the closest ones Apr 19 01:06:11 * DocScrutinizer thinks the autofocus is suboptimal at best Apr 19 01:06:41 well its sometimes slow on bad light and not always gets focus but when it gets it, its ok Apr 19 01:07:51 and this short lenses need quite some sophisticated focus .. try to focus something 50cm away and then move the camera 5cm .. its out of focus soon Apr 19 01:08:53 well, there's some sysnode or the like to read out relative focus values Apr 19 01:09:12 you might want to experiment with that Apr 19 01:09:23 about what? Apr 19 01:09:31 heh SpeedEvil Apr 19 01:09:33 :-) Apr 19 01:09:37 yo da man Apr 19 01:10:31 SpeedEvil: how to read out autofocus? Apr 19 01:10:39 SpeedEvil: i was thinking about a distance-measuring app using autofocus ... acquire a dozen autofocus measurements, scratch the 2 biggiest and smallest and average the rest for example Apr 19 01:11:27 oh - right Apr 19 01:11:34 i wonder how precise that goes for shorter distances .. like measuring a room for example Apr 19 01:11:38 I haven't looked closely at that Apr 19 01:11:40 not very Apr 19 01:11:49 the camera basically is a 2mp camera Apr 19 01:11:52 optically Apr 19 01:11:57 well not very can still way better than human estimation Apr 19 01:12:01 look at the lens diameter Apr 19 01:12:13 yes Apr 19 01:12:15 It's about ~1.8mm clear apature. Apr 19 01:12:28 exactly Apr 19 01:12:36 basically a hole camera Apr 19 01:12:52 but exactly because of that the focus has to be more precise than a biggier one / longer focal length one Apr 19 01:13:06 umm - no Apr 19 01:13:09 the opposite Apr 19 01:13:21 it has no much depth Apr 19 01:13:24 draw out a cone from the camera to the object Apr 19 01:13:29 it's the apperture to sensor that matters Apr 19 01:13:43 apperture / sensor Apr 19 01:13:45 this is the camera, when correctly focussed. Apr 19 01:14:50 the camera can be moved back and forward around the point of focus, by an amount that is related to the optical resolution - without much change in the image Apr 19 01:15:10 anyways that was just an idea for a toy-app Apr 19 01:15:24 It'll work lots better at under a meter Apr 19 01:15:29 sure Apr 19 01:15:37 just test it, it's a 5liner script Apr 19 01:15:40 I question if it'll work at all over - maybe - 2m Apr 19 01:16:01 my guess is 2m == infinite Apr 19 01:16:29 dunno, i think it needs more distance, but never tried Apr 19 01:16:33 Where the resolution of the camera is equal to the lens diameter is an indicative point on depth of field Apr 19 01:17:15 so for a 2mp camera with a 60 degree field of view, and a 1.8mm lens ~2m Apr 19 01:18:37 gnome-nettools compiled and running (with a crappy UI) Apr 19 01:18:41 as well as whois Apr 19 01:19:44 infobot dead since 28h now ;-S Apr 19 01:22:02 !seen infobot Apr 19 01:22:35 * infobot :There was no such nickname :/ Apr 19 01:22:36 btw the 'tuner' app is nice .. is there also a beat-counter app? Apr 19 01:22:55 I still haven't figured out how to get build-essential installed in the debian chroot Apr 19 01:22:58 i didnt found one, there is a metronome, never tried Apr 19 01:23:01 cehteh: swipe-counter? Apr 19 01:23:15 oh ffs Apr 19 01:23:15 swipe? Apr 19 01:23:27 21:00 UTC: *** infobot left IRC Apr 19 01:23:36 means you have to tap with it, not from microphone Apr 19 01:24:18 the right way for this to happen is for someone to implement accel-taps Apr 19 01:24:48 i got them showing up in /proc/interrupts fine once - but they diddn't appear in /dev/*/event* Apr 19 01:24:55 well i mean analyzing played music acquired by the microphone or line in Apr 19 01:24:58 lis302 can detect taps and even doubletaps Apr 19 01:25:26 only as tap happend or also direction? Apr 19 01:25:59 err, you can switch off certain axes Apr 19 01:26:07 tap happened I think Apr 19 01:26:08 axises? Apr 19 01:26:15 axis Apr 19 01:26:17 and that Apr 19 01:26:27 ok Apr 19 01:26:35 some accels can do multi-directional tap detection Apr 19 01:26:36 axae Apr 19 01:26:50 whih would be lovely Apr 19 01:27:01 but if you can wake up fast enough, you can sense the last bit of the tap for direction Apr 19 01:27:37 or you just read out continuously Apr 19 01:27:42 outch Apr 19 01:27:46 and kill you bat Apr 19 01:27:49 yeah Apr 19 01:28:09 would be nice if that is completely in hardware Apr 19 01:28:44 IRQ on tap and on doubletap is completely lis302 hw Apr 19 01:29:47 I'm not sure if it stores the triggering values to some register Apr 19 01:30:21 can't remember to be precise Apr 19 01:30:28 i hope next device doesnt have so many hiccups with transitions and audio playback. why is cpu needed for mp3 in 2010 anyway Apr 19 01:30:56 it's not CPU starvation Apr 19 01:31:02 what else if not cpu? Apr 19 01:31:08 IO Apr 19 01:31:25 it has really tiny buffers Apr 19 01:31:28 err mp3-IO Apr 19 01:31:31 ? Apr 19 01:31:35 It'd be nice if the DAC could just get together with the DMA unit, and have the CPU entirely shut off Apr 19 01:31:47 aha ty! Apr 19 01:32:05 So you decode at full blast for a second doing 30s of mp3, then go to sleep Apr 19 01:32:12 SpeedEvil: I'd think that could be feasible Apr 19 01:32:25 I've never had skips when IOWAIT has been 0 Apr 19 01:32:28 with current hw - or in principle? Apr 19 01:32:41 with current hw Apr 19 01:32:42 all the skipping has happened when IOWAIT has been in double digits Apr 19 01:33:00 ideally you'd want a mp3 player chip that coult take scatter gather lists from the SD and mmc Apr 19 01:33:06 but that would be mostly overkill Apr 19 01:33:22 still a cool way Apr 19 01:33:27 especially since that is a cpu as well then Apr 19 01:34:25 yes Apr 19 01:34:33 probably the decoded buffer and/or the player gets swapped out at times :) Apr 19 01:34:57 and as it's - typically - not a fine pitch geometry chip - it may even not be more power efficient Apr 19 01:36:12 it'd probably need a 10 second buffer Apr 19 02:37:09 SpeedEvil: if I ever got an idea of ALSA, I'd say the buffersize and IRQ period you specify to aplay, those are exactly about DMA and reducing/specifying the amount of cpu wakeups Apr 19 02:37:51 and where does pulseaudio come in? ;) Apr 19 02:38:05 best nowhere ;-P Apr 19 02:39:03 I've not really looked hard at the constraints of various functional blocks, and when they can be powered down. Apr 19 02:39:10 Way too many pages. Apr 19 02:39:13 :) Apr 19 02:39:24 Anyway - going to sleep - night Apr 19 02:39:25 argh Apr 19 02:39:37 missed the iridium flare I was sort-of staying up for. Apr 19 02:39:39 night Apr 19 02:39:45 shit Apr 19 02:40:04 be another along tomorrow Apr 19 02:54:41 anyone not use a screen protector? ive screen protected all my phones, but this is my first touch Apr 19 02:54:51 not sure how it would affect Apr 19 02:55:37 I'm using the 3M vikuiti one Apr 19 02:55:49 don't notice any difference to touch sensitivity Apr 19 02:56:25 I'm told some people notice difference with invisible shield and other thick protectors Apr 19 02:56:32 and others dont notice **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 19 02:59:56 2010