**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 20 03:00:04 2010
Apr 20 03:00:55 <solarion> I am in business.  Muah ha ha ha
Apr 20 03:01:02 <solarion> fortran still sucks, tho
Apr 20 03:01:12 * solarion now has a library to isolate the suck
Apr 20 03:04:26 <crashanddie_> lolz...
Apr 20 03:04:44 <crashanddie_> I'm accessing Nokia's online documentation library
Apr 20 03:04:54 <crashanddie_> doing a search, and the system goes "Indexing: This happens the first time the search engine is used, and will only happen once"
Apr 20 03:05:31 <crashanddie_> good to see it's heavily used :P
Apr 20 03:26:59 <tonyyarusso> How do I disable automatic mounting to /media/mmc2?
Apr 20 03:37:08 <parim> is there an usable port of android for the n810?
Apr 20 03:42:43 <crashanddie_> parim: no
Apr 20 03:43:03 <crashanddie_> parim: I remember running it in some sort of virtual/emulated environment, but it was dog-slow
Apr 20 03:43:44 <crashanddie_> tonyyarusso: don't close the back cover? :P
Apr 20 03:44:38 <tonyyarusso> crashanddie_: actually, I think I found something - I can change the mountpoint in /etc/osso-afsoemthing/af-defines.sh, which will do the trick.
Apr 20 03:44:49 <tonyyarusso> Annoying that it doesn't honor /etc/fstab though.
Apr 20 03:46:04 <parim>  crashanddie_: thanks
Apr 20 03:51:04 <opdf2> which site is fairly accurate for testing 3.5G speed?
Apr 20 03:51:31 <opdf2> I've been using the"iPhone browser Speed and Latency Test" from DSLreports, but dont think it is accurate
Apr 20 03:51:41 <opdf2> http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest
Apr 20 03:52:15 <Surfa> server near you with relatively large file
Apr 20 03:53:03 <Surfa> but cellular connections are somewhat unreliable too, so i don't know if it makes much difference
Apr 20 03:53:52 <tank-man> if it is unreliable, then that factors into your speed.
Apr 20 03:54:34 <tank-man> you can't try and ignore it
Apr 20 03:55:22 <opdf2> I'm using T-Mobile USA in Chicago, and am barely seeing 1Mbit/sec
Apr 20 03:55:35 <opdf2> latency is around 300 ms
Apr 20 03:59:15 * crashanddie_ remember the days when V90 modems came out... Such speed at your home? Impossible!
Apr 20 03:59:29 <parim> opdf2:how may bars of network strength do you have right now?
Apr 20 03:59:42 <crashanddie_> And now people complain because they're barely seeing 20 times that speed whereever they are
Apr 20 04:00:31 <opdf2> hmm i got 2Mbit down 0.35Mbit up at speakeasy Chicago. thats better
Apr 20 04:00:43 <opdf2> 4 bars.
Apr 20 04:00:52 <parim> out of 5?
Apr 20 04:00:59 <opdf2> guess that iphone test is not accurate
Apr 20 04:01:09 <opdf2> yes i think 5 is max
Apr 20 04:01:34 <parim> 2Mbit down is pretty good
Apr 20 04:01:51 <opdf2> okay cool
Apr 20 04:02:34 <opdf2> im cravin the 4G latency!
Apr 20 04:04:19 <parim> i know cant wait for widespread adoption of wimix/lte
Apr 20 04:05:06 <crashanddie_> wimax won't be adopted
Apr 20 04:05:09 <crashanddie_> wimax is dead
Apr 20 04:06:10 <parim> i think what we will see is wimax for data and lte for voice.
Apr 20 04:07:13 <crashanddie_> wanna bet?
Apr 20 04:07:30 <opdf2> yes in USA, sprint is investing a lot in 4G wimax
Apr 20 04:08:42 <opdf2> in Chicago, Sprint' Clearwire is penetrating the metro area
Apr 20 04:08:50 <opdf2> Comcast also resells clearwire
Apr 20 04:10:20 <parim> i carry two phones and two N810, one phone is on plain old 2g GSM the other is on 3G and one of the N810`s is on wimax
Apr 20 04:11:19 <parim> wimax here in india is amazing i get 10mbit symmetric
Apr 20 04:11:34 <parim> my guess is that no one uses it.
Apr 20 04:12:48 <tonyyarusso> Well now this is odd.  Applications install, and can be run from the command line, but don't show up in the menus.  They do however show up in the panel organization.
Apr 20 04:13:17 <tonyyarusso> is there a command to rebuild the menu?
Apr 20 04:25:03 <crashanddie_> parim: you just made half a channel go "OMG THEY HAVE ELECTRICITY IN INDIA????"
Apr 20 04:26:31 <opdf2> parim:  thats pretty amazing with 10mbit symmetric. Hows the latency
Apr 20 04:28:22 <parim>  crashanddie_:"India has more mobile phones than toilets: UN report" http://bit.ly/indiacell
Apr 20 04:29:07 <parim> opdf2: its anywere between 50-200ms ususally around 100-125ms
Apr 20 04:29:36 <opdf2> wow, thats better than the wimax in chicago
Apr 20 04:29:41 <opdf2> alot better
Apr 20 04:29:51 <Ken-Young> I wonder if India has more English speakers than any other country.
Apr 20 04:30:06 <opdf2> i'm guessing china does
Apr 20 04:30:23 <parim> no is number2
Apr 20 04:30:27 <parim> to the usa
Apr 20 04:30:32 <parim> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population
Apr 20 04:31:02 <parim> opdf2:china is 18th
Apr 20 04:31:13 <opdf2> lol im way off
Apr 20 04:33:25 <Ken-Young> Well, from the looks of that table, and the fact that India's population is expected to reach at least 1.3 Gigafolks, they'll have the most english speakers soon.
Apr 20 04:35:39 <parim> Ken-Young: i will agree with that. a lot of people in my gneration can read&&write&&speak only english, i cant really write/read my mother tounge. by the way im 18
Apr 20 04:36:19 <Ken-Young> parim, Wow - that
Apr 20 04:36:38 <Ken-Young> that's very surprising to me.
Apr 20 04:37:05 <Ken-Young> parim, Are there more English speakers than Hindi speakers?
Apr 20 04:38:13 <oilinki> parim: if I recall correctly, India has more than 1000 different languages (at least dialects which differ a lot of each other) ?
Apr 20 04:38:15 <parim> no,
Apr 20 04:38:42 <parim> there are 442M hindi speakers
Apr 20 04:41:24 <Ken-Young> Would Hindi be understood by, for example, a native Gujarati speaker, who had not received any Hindi language instruction?
Apr 20 04:41:53 <parim> kind of, not always though
Apr 20 04:42:10 <parim> oilinki: yea
Apr 20 04:48:02 <Macer> anybody here use zimbra?
Apr 20 04:54:55 <otubo> Hello again, friends. Is there any trick to install minigpsd?
Apr 20 04:55:18 <otubo> I am trying to use my n900 gps with google earth com my eeepc while making a trip.
Apr 20 04:58:14 <oilinki> parim: you reminded me to upload pictures from India to my website :)
Apr 20 04:58:54 <parim> oilinki:ohh so you were in India?
Apr 20 04:59:51 <oilinki> parim: 3 times. work trips only.
Apr 20 05:00:08 <parim> oilinki: Banglore?
Apr 20 05:02:02 <oilinki> parim: New Delhi, Kolkata and Munbai
Apr 20 05:02:22 <parim> oilinki: if you dont mind me asking what carrer path are you in?
Apr 20 05:04:22 <oilinki> parim: I used to work for Nokia :)
Apr 20 05:07:57 <parim> oilinki: ohh thats amazing. i am looking for an intrnship with nokia.
Apr 20 05:08:30 <crashanddie_> how is "used to work for nokia" an answer to "what kind of job do you hold?"
Apr 20 05:08:48 <oilinki> well, sorry I don't think I can help with that anymore. Now doing my own thing
Apr 20 05:08:50 <crashanddie_> for all we know, that means you could've been an assembly drone, a dustbin cleaner, or a CTO.
Apr 20 05:09:26 <vasily_zajcev> hi
Apr 20 05:09:43 <vasily_zajcev> is there any way to use conky (or something else) with matchbox?
Apr 20 05:10:07 <crashanddie_> pryvit vasily_zajcev
Apr 20 05:10:09 <oilinki> crashanddie: as an career path. Mobile applications, technical marketing, servers, tech project management etc. misc stuff. sometimes assembler etc.
Apr 20 05:10:33 <crashanddie_> vasily_zajcev: matchbox?
Apr 20 05:10:51 <vasily_zajcev> maemo default wm
Apr 20 05:11:16 <crashanddie_> on 770?
Apr 20 05:11:35 <vasily_zajcev> n810
Apr 20 05:11:37 <parim> crashanddie: i dont think that an assembler  or a dustbin cleaner would travel to india on busineess
Apr 20 05:12:34 <crashanddie_> parim: maybe he's very good at cleaning bins?
Apr 20 05:12:57 <crashanddie_> vasily_zajcev: conky should be in the repositories IIRC
Apr 20 05:13:01 <parim> crashanddie_: good pint.
Apr 20 05:13:06 <parim> *point
Apr 20 05:13:27 <vasily_zajcev> there is a problem
Apr 20 05:13:37 <vasily_zajcev> with double buffer
Apr 20 05:14:17 <crashanddie_> vasily_zajcev: it goes white?
Apr 20 05:14:35 <vasily_zajcev> just black
Apr 20 05:15:16 <crashanddie_> same difference
Apr 20 05:15:34 <crashanddie_> I'm afraid that qwerty stopped working on conky quite some time ago
Apr 20 05:16:32 <vasily_zajcev> the problem is that wallpaper system inadequate )
Apr 20 05:23:51 <oilinki> parim: here we go. some pictures http://oilinki.com/gallery/india
Apr 20 05:26:52 <parim> oilinki: intresting that you share the same last name as oli pekka
Apr 20 05:27:00 <Macer> can n900 microb render ajax zimbra
Apr 20 05:27:06 <Macer> is what i was wondering
Apr 20 05:27:30 <Macer> i know i filed a bug for maemo4 and someone left a comment saying it renders on the n900 just fine
Apr 20 05:27:47 <Macer> also. how are they advertizing 1GB of ram?
Apr 20 05:27:59 <Macer> i thought omap3 was limited to 256 or so
Apr 20 05:28:01 <oilinki> parim: ? pekka is first name.
Apr 20 05:28:08 <microlith> Macer: 768MB of swap
Apr 20 05:28:36 <parim> Macer: if you have a zimbra server, you can create a test account and someone here will check it out,
Apr 20 05:28:46 <parim> oilinki: i am sorry,
Apr 20 05:29:00 <parim> oilinki: i messed up
Apr 20 05:29:15 <oilinki> parim: mai pen rai. eg. no problem :)
Apr 20 05:30:00 <microlith> Macer: any idea what FF version the maemo4 version of microb is based on?
Apr 20 05:30:33 <parim> oilinki: if you dont mind, what phone(s) do you use currently
Apr 20 05:31:49 <crashanddie_> Macer: not based off firefox
Apr 20 05:32:06 <oilinki> parim: very old one. I have not bought phones for an long time.
Apr 20 05:32:28 <crashanddie_> Macer: microb uses gecko for rendering, and Nokia UI
Apr 20 05:32:34 <parim> oilinki: N95?
Apr 20 05:33:19 <oilinki> old e-series
Apr 20 05:33:30 <parim> ohh ok,
Apr 20 05:35:24 <Macer> heh
Apr 20 05:35:36 <Macer> dont know but bug said maemo5 microb worked
Apr 20 05:35:44 <Macer> but am not sure if it was for ajax
Apr 20 05:36:19 <Macer> so 256+swap = 1G?
Apr 20 05:36:20 <viliny> is ajax client sided?
Apr 20 05:36:39 <microlith> Macer: yes
Apr 20 05:36:43 <Macer> not sure really
Apr 20 05:36:54 <Macer> microlith: hope it is fast swap
Apr 20 05:37:05 <Macer> my n900 should be here soon
Apr 20 05:37:06 <microlith> eh, it's on the 32GB eMMC
Apr 20 05:37:15 <Macer> have to see if tmob will clone my sim
Apr 20 05:37:22 <Macer> so i dont have to keep swapping
Apr 20 05:37:24 <microlith> I turned swappiness down and haven't had any issues
Apr 20 05:37:39 <microlith> the best thing to do is tone down the transition effects
Apr 20 05:37:52 <Macer> heh.. no sacrifices!
Apr 20 05:37:59 <Macer> mostly same apps on maemo5?
Apr 20 05:38:17 <crashanddie_> microlith: sorry, those two things were for you
Apr 20 05:38:27 <microlith> crashanddie: yeah, gathered that
Apr 20 05:38:34 <microlith> mm, if you're asking relative to maemo4, I'll have to let someone else answer
Apr 20 05:38:44 <crashanddie_> timeless: you awake?
Apr 20 05:41:32 <parim> this is not specifically related to maemo, does any onw know where I can get a nokia fls-5 or a fps-20 ?
Apr 20 05:42:21 <crashanddie_> parim: ebay
Apr 20 05:44:00 <parim> crashanddie_: i have been lookin for a week now and cant really find them online.
Apr 20 05:47:04 <viliny> microlith: how do you turn down transition effects?
Apr 20 05:47:59 <Vanadis_Work> viliny, by replacing the original transitions.ini with a modded one
Apr 20 05:50:02 <Chiku|dc> macer, I use zimbra ajax it is just very very slow
Apr 20 05:50:07 <viliny> Thank you Vanadis_Work will have to try and find a guide
Apr 20 05:50:21 <Vanadis_Work> wait, just searching the thread
Apr 20 05:50:25 <Chiku|dc> and by default it"s standard html
Apr 20 05:52:56 <tonyyarusso> Okay guys, I need some help here.  When I install applications, they're not showing up in the applications menu.  They get added to ~/.osso/menus/applications.menu , but aren't actually in the menu when I click.  (even after reboot)
Apr 20 05:54:34 <Vanadis_Work> viliny,
Apr 20 05:54:35 <Vanadis_Work> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43964
Apr 20 05:58:08 <viliny> Thanks again Vanadis_Work  :)
Apr 20 05:58:58 <Stskeeps> morning
Apr 20 06:04:42 <crashanddie_> lol...
Apr 20 06:05:28 <crashanddie_> just heard a government worker (well, co-worker I guess), outside my cubicle talking to another guy: "You heading home? Did you finish xyz?" "Yeah, I was going to, but then i couldn't be bothered anymore" "What do you mean?" "This job sucks"
Apr 20 06:05:43 <crashanddie_> "Oh, ok, have a nice evening"
Apr 20 06:05:53 <Stskeeps> excellent
Apr 20 06:06:54 <crashanddie_> morning Stskeeps, how you doing?
Apr 20 06:07:48 <Stskeeps> waiting for the final cancellation of my flight
Apr 20 06:08:19 <crashanddie_> ah
Apr 20 06:08:36 <crashanddie_> here's me hoping my flight from oz to eu will not be tampered with next week
Apr 20 06:08:50 <ds3> is it getting cold there with the lack of sun?
Apr 20 06:08:58 <crashanddie_> ds3: no impact
Apr 20 06:09:04 <Stskeeps> was quite nice and warm here in .pl
Apr 20 06:09:09 <crashanddie_> ds3: it's not like it's feckin black sky or anything
Apr 20 06:09:13 <ds3> where's the volcanic winter :D
Apr 20 06:09:18 <crashanddie_> Stskeeps: how's it looking, are the airlines talking?
Apr 20 06:09:39 <viliny> anyone else get their hair caught in the phone when talking?
Apr 20 06:09:50 <Stskeeps> crashanddie_: they're complaining loudly
Apr 20 06:09:59 <viliny> i have like a 3mm shave
Apr 20 06:10:01 <ds3> hair? aren't we all bald? :D
Apr 20 06:10:02 <crashanddie_> ds3: you do realise volcanic winter requires an ash-cloud covering 40% of the planet, and 6 months continuous darkness
Apr 20 06:10:17 <crashanddie_> viliny: yeah, happens to me all the time
Apr 20 06:10:19 <ds3> crashandie: :)
Apr 20 06:10:22 <crashanddie_> viliny: pretty painful if you ask me
Apr 20 06:10:27 <viliny> sometimes yeah :P
Apr 20 06:10:30 <Stskeeps> crashanddie_: as test flights in amsterdam and frankfurt didn't cause any problems
Apr 20 06:10:47 <crashanddie_> Stskeeps: good
Apr 20 06:11:01 <Stskeeps> crashanddie_: but there's increased output from the volcano so things might change a bit
Apr 20 06:11:07 <crashanddie_> Stskeeps: frankfurt? I thought Germany kept its runways closed?
Apr 20 06:11:15 <crashanddie_> yeah I heard
Apr 20 06:11:19 <crashanddie_> man this sucks
Apr 20 06:11:24 <crashanddie_> I don't want to come back home by boat
Apr 20 06:11:38 <ds3> didn't they say a few days ago that there were no more snow to melt and cause more explosive eruptions and now they say there is a second one coming? :D
Apr 20 06:11:40 <Stskeeps> crashanddie_: yes, but test flights
Apr 20 06:12:04 <crashanddie_> ds3: stfu
Apr 20 06:12:10 <crashanddie_> Stskeeps: restrain me
Apr 20 06:12:17 <ds3> 'k
Apr 20 06:13:03 <Stskeeps> crashanddie_: no thanks, i'll let your girlfriends do that :P
Apr 20 06:13:10 <crashanddie_> I heard that the UK is deploying its navy, amongst which a planer carrier
Apr 20 06:13:14 <crashanddie_> s/planer/plane/
Apr 20 06:13:14 <infobot> crashanddie_ meant: I heard that the UK is deploying its navy, amongst which a plane carrier
Apr 20 06:13:22 <viliny> that was discussed here yesterday i think
Apr 20 06:14:21 <crashanddie_> though, I called the UK, and they said my boat would only arrive in roughly 3 months
Apr 20 06:14:56 <crashanddie_> so I'm thinking I might jump onboard one of those little boats they smuggle people into the country with (into oz, that is)
Apr 20 06:15:18 <crashanddie_> Lion King's "Let me out, let me out; let me in, let me in" comes to mind.
Apr 20 06:19:48 <crashanddie_> "Apple requests return of lost iPhone prototype"
Apr 20 06:20:29 <Stskeeps> heh, way to indicate it's real
Apr 20 06:20:52 <crashanddie_> aye
Apr 20 06:21:17 <crashanddie_> lol... One of the comments on that story says "If I found that phone, I would bargain with Steve to get a free iPad 64GB 3G in exchange"
Apr 20 06:21:33 <crashanddie_> you idiot. If you found that phone, you could ask for a hundred iPads and still get away with it.
Apr 20 06:22:41 <viliny> like anyone would like iProducts anyway :)
Apr 20 06:23:00 <crashanddie_> viliny: I'm buying an Ipad as soon as it comes out in europe, methink
Apr 20 06:23:02 <crashanddie_> +s
Apr 20 06:23:10 <crashanddie_> The guy who found it and sent it to Gizmodo/Engadget was smart though, he didn't boast about it on the interwebs, and his name never came up.
Apr 20 06:23:23 <viliny> okay i can respect that, but for what reason exactly?
Apr 20 06:23:46 <crashanddie_> viliny: mainly as a living room computer
Apr 20 06:23:58 <viliny> isn't it kinda limited for that?
Apr 20 06:24:11 <viliny> i mean, a laptop would be so much better and maybe even cheaper?
Apr 20 06:24:28 <crashanddie_> viliny: I hate picking up the full laptop when in the living room -- way too antisocial, and I may use it for longer than an N900's allows for
Apr 20 06:25:09 <viliny> okay... well scott kurtz wrote that you kinda need to buy the rubber cover to have a proper grip on the thing if thats of any help to know
Apr 20 06:25:10 <crashanddie_> whereas an iPad would give you the same social context as say, reading the newspaper
Apr 20 06:25:32 <crashanddie_> not as involved as a laptop, more comfortable than a phone
Apr 20 06:25:53 <crashanddie_> yeah, but I won't get the Apple extras
Apr 20 06:25:58 <crashanddie_> they're expensive and quite crappy -- and ugly
Apr 20 06:26:25 <crashanddie_> and also, just for the hell of having an extra gadget ;)
Apr 20 06:26:56 <crashanddie_> I bought the iPod Touch when it came out, just for the hell of it, played with it for a while, then gave it to my mum as I left France
Apr 20 06:26:57 <Stskeeps> i wouldn't mind a smartq r7
Apr 20 06:26:58 <Macer> Chiku|dc: have you tried using zimbra through clients?
Apr 20 06:27:13 <Macer> i think the one i am most interested in is webdav
Apr 20 06:27:26 <Stskeeps> http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/07/smart-devices-announces-r7-e-book-reader-to-a-world-in-apathy/
Apr 20 06:27:31 <Macer> so i can access briefcases on the n900 and ul/dl to them
Apr 20 06:27:41 <Stskeeps> (if it's as hackable)
Apr 20 06:28:28 <Macer> i dont know what zimbra is doing to the docs section but the new beta spreadsheet and document ajax stuff looks promising but i wish it would store them in ooffice format
Apr 20 06:28:38 <Macer> that would be awesome
Apr 20 06:28:43 <viliny> i can't bring myself to like iphones or ipads one bit... so damn closed and elitist - but opinions are like aholes i guess. I went to the store and this guy behind the counter started talking about his new iphone and junk and i told him i got a new phone too and whipped out the N900 - to my surprise he just went "oh... the N900" and stopped talking about his phone.
Apr 20 06:29:49 <Macer> it kind of looks like they might eliminate the docs tab altogether
Apr 20 06:30:15 <viliny> oc to 900mhz and transition ini mod - can i get a hell yeah for lightning fast :)
Apr 20 06:30:44 <yigal> I ask periodically and I guess I will now, does anyone use there n900 for taking hand drawn notes for lectures?
Apr 20 06:30:57 <Stskeeps> yigal: i did a bit on my n8x0 but i think n900 might be too small for it
Apr 20 06:31:47 <crashanddie_> viliny: You have assholes everywhere. Some people buy the iPhone because it's the flavour of the day, some buy it because it's the only phone their company will allow except for a Blackberry. I loved my blackberry (I wouldn't use any other phone for business), and I can understand the appeal of the iPhone for most people. I think it's not the most "Open Minded" approach to slam all users of a specific device for no other reaso
Apr 20 06:31:49 <yigal> Stskeeps: darn, yes, that was my feeling.  It's a real shame there is really no better device than the n8x0 for this right now
Apr 20 06:32:21 <crashanddie_> yigal: pen and paper?
Apr 20 06:33:21 <yigal> crashanddie_: yes, but to be able to do all one's notes on a computer you can organize them on, add to them etc. is revolutionary, pencil/paper is not as good
Apr 20 06:33:41 <crashanddie_> As in, you can't organise papers?
Apr 20 06:33:45 <crashanddie_> You can't add to paper copies?
Apr 20 06:34:05 <yigal> crashanddie_: you are creating strawmen or you haven't thought it through
Apr 20 06:34:22 <yigal> have all your notes on one machine
Apr 20 06:34:31 <crashanddie_> Have all your notes in one folder?
Apr 20 06:34:37 <crashanddie_> I guess it depends for everyone
Apr 20 06:34:38 <yigal> have them organized better than any paper/pencil method
Apr 20 06:34:57 <crashanddie_> But I've never been beaten by a computer when I'm using pen and paper for taking down notes
Apr 20 06:35:20 <yigal> of course because all the technology up until now stunk for this sort of thing
Apr 20 06:35:25 <yigal> the technology is almost here
Apr 20 06:35:36 <crashanddie_> the keyword being "almost"
Apr 20 06:35:37 <yigal> but not quite
Apr 20 06:36:05 <yigal> yes, I will admit it
Apr 20 06:36:14 <crashanddie_> tactile feedback: I can't press hard on a screen, because it's so silky, I don't feel how much distance I've covered
Apr 20 06:36:29 <wazd_e63> Moaning people
Apr 20 06:36:36 <yigal> crashanddie_: pressure sensitive resistive screens
Apr 20 06:36:53 <yigal> it's tactile
Apr 20 06:37:13 <crashanddie_> I can write blindly on paper, I can't do the same on a device. I can organise all my papers around me on a big desk, look at all of them in one go, stack them as I need to -- no software can emulate that
Apr 20 06:37:49 <viliny> i just sketched a doddle on my n900 and i don't i would want to write stuff with it
Apr 20 06:38:12 <crashanddie_> The human mind is a messy thing, viliny, have you seen the stacker talk on TED?
Apr 20 06:38:20 <viliny> i have not
Apr 20 06:38:27 <yigal> crashanddie_: I usually like TED
Apr 20 06:38:30 <yigal> is it a new one
Apr 20 06:38:35 <crashanddie_> no, old one
Apr 20 06:38:37 <crashanddie_> http://www.ted.com/talks/anand_agarawala_demos_his_bumptop_desktop.html
Apr 20 06:39:39 <viliny> hehe, fun thing
Apr 20 06:39:48 <yigal> well I'm almost sure what would work for me, and I'm gonna find a way to implement it, very soon. ty crashanddie for the critical feedback, need to sleep, night
Apr 20 06:44:17 <crashanddie_> wow, first time I've been thanked for my "critical feedback" when I was being a troll
Apr 20 06:44:18 <crashanddie_> sweet!
Apr 20 06:44:34 <noobmonk3y> lol!
Apr 20 06:49:10 <Anss|> viliny, your kung fu is strong :)
Apr 20 06:49:37 <viliny> how so? :)
Apr 20 06:51:00 <Anss|> You  were comparing phones and suddenly you draw your hidden weapon of choice which shuts up other totally
Apr 20 06:51:07 <wazd_e63> Oh crap, live wallpapers have lost russian n900 dev contest
Apr 20 06:51:17 <viliny> Anss|: oh yeah, that... yeah :D
Apr 20 06:51:20 <wazd_e63> Fuck that
Apr 20 06:52:04 <Stskeeps> wazd_e63: :(
Apr 20 06:52:13 <Stskeeps> wazd_e63: who won then?
Apr 20 06:52:30 <wazd_e63> They have chosen fucking alarm clock
Apr 20 06:53:05 <Stskeeps> well, the alarm clock does suck..
Apr 20 06:53:06 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 20 06:53:26 <viliny> anyone have any nice sites with good themes for the phone?
Apr 20 06:57:57 <Macer> hm
Apr 20 06:58:17 <Macer> guess i will find something useful for my n810
Apr 20 06:58:48 <Macer> maybe a glorified mp3 player
Apr 20 06:59:35 <Macer> i was going to stick it in my everyday car since my truck already has nav in it and use it for carman but i have a 1994 caprice that uses some oddball obd 1.5 crap
Apr 20 07:00:14 <Macer> i just want my n900 to play with.. anybody here get a cloned sim from tmob?
Apr 20 07:00:28 <viliny> a what?
Apr 20 07:00:38 <viliny> ah nevermind
Apr 20 07:00:38 <Macer> i still have a g1
Apr 20 07:00:42 <noobmonk3y> :P
Apr 20 07:00:56 <Macer> figured i would use that if i was going somewhere i didnt want to take my n900
Apr 20 07:00:56 <noobmonk3y> viliny, not seen any theme sites, but there is a wallpapers one
Apr 20 07:01:09 <noobmonk3y> ask andrewfblack on tmo if you wanna know anything about themes :D
Apr 20 07:01:14 <viliny> yeah, im checking maemo talk at the moment
Apr 20 07:01:29 <noobmonk3y> he posts threads about themes, closes you will prob get :P
Apr 20 07:01:33 <noobmonk3y> closest*
Apr 20 07:01:39 <viliny> :) thanks noobmonk3y
Apr 20 07:02:13 <noobmonk3y> :D :D
Apr 20 07:08:29 <noobmonk3y> meh, gtttttttt tmo
Apr 20 07:12:50 * noobmonk3y considers waking up :) - as i can no longer have a leisurley troll on t.m.o.
Apr 20 07:19:46 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Apr 20 07:20:03 <SuRfDeMoN> Morning
Apr 20 07:20:26 <noobmonk3y> morning
Apr 20 07:20:29 <noobmonk3y> and meh.... work
Apr 20 07:30:08 <RST38h> <yawn>?
Apr 20 07:34:58 <X-Fade> Morning
Apr 20 07:35:19 <Stskeeps> morning X-Fade
Apr 20 07:40:40 <wazd_e63> Rst38h, X-Fade: lo chaps :)
Apr 20 07:40:51 <wazd_e63> Jaffa: heya
Apr 20 07:40:54 <thresh> anyone here uses foursquare?
Apr 20 07:41:13 <wazd_e63> thresh: I'm too paranoid :D
Apr 20 07:43:33 <wazd_e63> Rst38h: can you beleive it, live wallpapers have lost n900 contest. The winner is fake (not working) ararm clock from the guy who already have n900
Apr 20 07:43:45 <wazd_e63> Has
Apr 20 07:44:19 <wazd_e63> For god sake, when I'll learn to place has/have automaticaly...
Apr 20 07:44:38 <Stskeeps> it's better than polish who continously forget the word 'the'
Apr 20 07:45:02 <Stskeeps> correcting a master's thesis in english was a nightmare
Apr 20 07:52:43 <wazd_e63> Stskeeps: hehe :)
Apr 20 08:01:36 * Jaffa 's flight today has just been cancelled.
Apr 20 08:01:53 <noobmonk3y> :(
Apr 20 08:02:16 <noobmonk3y> by the sounds of it, the only flight that made it out of glasgow today was a flight to iceland, ironic ;)
Apr 20 08:03:26 <mece> omgomgomgomgomg
Apr 20 08:03:31 <mece> you seen this: http://projectlondonmovie.com/
Apr 20 08:05:52 <wazd_e63> Jaffa: damn
Apr 20 08:06:08 <Jaffa> More time in Stockholm.
Apr 20 08:06:53 <jacekowski> morning
Apr 20 08:06:55 <frals> Jaffa: at least its nice weather today
Apr 20 08:08:05 <noobmonk3y> frals - not raining bacon sarnies? :)
Apr 20 08:08:16 <frals> hehe
Apr 20 08:08:25 <frals> 15 C and barely a cloud ;)
Apr 20 08:08:34 <Jaffa> frals: beautiful
Apr 20 08:09:07 <noobmonk3y> :D
Apr 20 08:10:29 <joga> why doesn't /etc/init.d/ssh stop not stop sshd?
Apr 20 08:10:40 <joga> -not
Apr 20 08:10:48 <flux> how do you determine that it doesn't?
Apr 20 08:10:57 <joga> with pgrep I see the process is there
Apr 20 08:11:05 <flux> well, are you logged in?
Apr 20 08:11:06 <joga> also if I kill it it spawns it again
Apr 20 08:11:07 <joga> no
Apr 20 08:11:12 <flux> oh, well
Apr 20 08:11:17 <flux> perhaps it's handled by upstart then
Apr 20 08:22:45 <timeless> anyone here know the person who works on extended call log?
Apr 20 08:47:16 <noobmonk3y> timeless: Niqbal, but don't really know him - http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=29731
Apr 20 08:47:52 <hrw> hi
Apr 20 08:48:49 <hrw> you know what? I think that extras* packages should have bugtracker link as link to bugtracker not just email
Apr 20 08:50:03 <Stskeeps> that discussion is kinda old though, originally email wasn't OK i think
Apr 20 08:59:33 <mece> pixelpipe pulled from iphone a while back. wtf?
Apr 20 09:00:51 <Stskeeps> heh
Apr 20 09:01:15 <Stskeeps> walled gardens.. comparable to the paradise garden where god threw out adam and eve for not conforming to the rules :P
Apr 20 09:03:20 <drzz> mankind wasn't thrown out of Eden - they chose to live in such a way that they abandoned/destroyed it themselves
Apr 20 09:03:22 <Khertan> Hi !
Apr 20 09:04:09 <drzz> Hey Khertan
Apr 20 09:25:33 <viliny> i the dropbear ssh server the one the majority uses?
Apr 20 09:27:05 <nid0> no
Apr 20 09:27:10 <nid0> use openssh
Apr 20 09:27:35 <wazd_e63> Khertan: heya
Apr 20 09:30:09 <viliny> thanks nid0
Apr 20 09:30:28 <viliny> anyone else have others calling you saying that the sound is very heavy on treble and echoes?
Apr 20 09:32:46 <Khertan> heya wackl
Apr 20 09:32:50 <Khertan> heya wazd_e63
Apr 20 09:39:19 <viliny> sudo reboot now didn't quite work as i'd had imagined... left the phone in a weird state where i had to push the power button several times to get it back to life
Apr 20 09:40:02 <dockside> shutdown -r now ?
Apr 20 09:41:41 <noobmonk3y> Hey Khertan
Apr 20 09:41:49 <Khertan> hi noobmonk3y
Apr 20 09:42:30 <noobmonk3y> :D
Apr 20 09:42:34 <viliny> dockside: yeah im starting to wonder what it really was that i typed in :)
Apr 20 09:50:19 <timeless_mbp> noobmonk3y: thanks
Apr 20 09:50:43 <noobmonk3y> np :D
Apr 20 09:53:18 <timeless_mbp> hey, how do i find the bug tracker for an app, e.g. extended call log?
Apr 20 09:54:26 <X-Fade> timeless_mbp: http://maemo.org/packages/view/extcalllog/
Apr 20 09:54:39 <X-Fade> timeless_mbp: which points to: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Extended%20Call%20Log
Apr 20 09:55:27 <pupnik> "how do i find" = ask X-Fade :)
Apr 20 09:56:12 <timeless_mbp> pupnik: i use #maemo, it works :)
Apr 20 09:56:29 <X-Fade> Alternative is to go to Downloads and search for the app. Bugtracker link is there too.
Apr 20 09:56:50 <timeless_mbp> the problem is that as an n900 user, i don't see downloads in my normal workflow
Apr 20 09:57:05 <timeless_mbp> someone needs to make an apt-manager that lets me see this stuff from my device :)
Apr 20 09:57:19 <X-Fade> timeless_mbp: That is what we are planning for appdownloader.
Apr 20 09:58:19 <X-Fade> In fact it has a 'report a bug' button already.
Apr 20 09:58:47 <timeless_mbp> can i install that today?
Apr 20 09:59:01 <X-Fade> Yes.
Apr 20 09:59:22 <X-Fade> Although I don't think the button works yet ;)
Apr 20 09:59:30 <timeless_mbp> ...
Apr 20 09:59:38 <X-Fade> Ask danielwilms ;)
Apr 20 10:01:26 <danielwilms> timeless_mbp wait until the end of the week...but I can put as well a newer version into extras-devel a bit sooner...
Apr 20 10:01:43 <danielwilms> timeless_mbp the version, which is available there is pretty old
Apr 20 10:03:01 <pupnik> cool project danielwilms
Apr 20 10:03:35 <danielwilms> pupnik thx :)
Apr 20 10:06:15 <timeless_mbp> hrm
Apr 20 10:06:25 <timeless_mbp> i think my mbp's display *failed*
Apr 20 10:06:41 <pupnik> oh dear
Apr 20 10:06:59 <pupnik> did you see danielwilms response timeless_mbp ?
Apr 20 10:07:12 <timeless_mbp> 2 lines, yes
Apr 20 10:07:55 <pupnik> ok
Apr 20 10:08:00 <timeless_mbp> danielwilms: i'm 99% certain the [x] you're using at the top right is incorrectly positioned with the wrong size
Apr 20 10:08:20 <timeless_mbp> also, 'loading' should be centered and Sentence caps'd :)
Apr 20 10:08:47 <timeless_mbp> and you should use the theme's <-\ arrow, instead of your own < arrow :)
Apr 20 10:09:14 <timeless_mbp> danielwilms: is it possible for me to have appdownloader show me my _installed_ apps instead of available ones?
Apr 20 10:09:41 <danielwilms> timeless_mbp loading is a loading indicator now and no text anymore
Apr 20 10:10:00 <timeless_mbp> appdownloader crashed :)
Apr 20 10:10:17 <timeless_mbp> appdownloader-74ba-6-2754
Apr 20 10:11:04 <danielwilms> timeless_mbp there bug was, when you went back and not all screenshots were loaded...that was bad, but it is fixed now :=
Apr 20 10:11:06 <danielwilms> :)
Apr 20 10:11:29 <timeless_mbp> please upload a better version :)
Apr 20 10:11:49 <danielwilms> will do
Apr 20 10:12:00 <danielwilms> as I said ;)
Apr 20 10:12:29 <danielwilms> there is a reason, why it is not in testing yet ;)
Apr 20 10:17:21 <timeless_mbp> thanks
Apr 20 10:21:28 <danielwilms> timeless_mbp I will let you know, when there is the updated version
Apr 20 10:21:40 <timeless_mbp> ham should too ;-)
Apr 20 10:23:41 <vblazquez> hi! i'm trying to build a package, i followed the guide from talk.maemo.org and i built it succesfully but it only works with dpkg -i package.deb not under app manager, there's something special to do?
Apr 20 10:24:23 <amigadave> vblazquez: lots of information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging
Apr 20 10:24:54 <vblazquez> amigadave: i did it!
Apr 20 10:24:55 <timeless_mbp> ok, it seems that my display just went into 'off so you can use just the external display', unplugging that got my display back....
Apr 20 10:25:26 <vblazquez> i can install my package with dpkg but the app manager says that is not installabe
Apr 20 10:25:49 <amigadave> ah ok, does it give any reasons? missing dependencies?
Apr 20 10:29:28 <vblazquez> in description, says package of application not compatible :S
Apr 20 10:30:04 <vblazquez> i built it with scratchbox
Apr 20 10:31:01 <timeless_mbp> wrong arch?
Apr 20 10:31:05 <timeless_mbp> did you build for intel?
Apr 20 10:31:11 <vblazquez> i did with armel
Apr 20 10:31:48 <vblazquez> i'm gonna try with intel
Apr 20 10:32:13 <vblazquez> anyway, sounds weird, because i can install with dpkg -i , and it works fine
Apr 20 10:33:39 <timeless_mbp> can you pastebin debian/control ?
Apr 20 10:33:54 <timeless_mbp> ok, so arch isn't the right reason
Apr 20 10:34:08 <vblazquez> sure
Apr 20 10:34:09 <vblazquez> wait
Apr 20 10:34:48 <timeless_mbp> err, did you use ham with 'install from file'
Apr 20 10:34:52 <timeless_mbp> or did you create a repository?
Apr 20 10:35:24 <vblazquez> install from file
Apr 20 10:35:46 * MohammadAG wonders why that usually fails
Apr 20 10:35:49 <vblazquez> http://pastebin.ca/1869397
Apr 20 10:36:14 <timeless_mbp> it's probably in the wrong section
Apr 20 10:36:22 <timeless_mbp> yes
Apr 20 10:36:27 <MohammadAG> user/games
Apr 20 10:36:29 <timeless_mbp> sections should be user/* not foo
Apr 20 10:36:34 <MohammadAG> he beat me to it
Apr 20 10:36:36 <amigadave> that is covered in the wiki page :P
Apr 20 10:36:37 <MohammadAG> :)
Apr 20 10:36:39 <vblazquez> ok
Apr 20 10:36:41 <vblazquez> i'll try again
Apr 20 10:36:43 <ccooke> drat it.
Apr 20 10:36:43 <vblazquez> thanks! :)
Apr 20 10:37:15 * ccooke can't find the note he took with the address to send his pre-release n900 back to...
Apr 20 10:37:22 <Stskeeps> ccooke: it's on talk.maemo.org
Apr 20 10:37:40 <ccooke> Stskeeps: it is? Damn, I must fail utterly at searching this morning :-)
Apr 20 10:39:27 <MohammadAG> ccooke, I think they'll send you more than another letter if you don't find it :P
Apr 20 10:39:42 <vblazquez> it works! thanks to all :)
Apr 20 10:42:09 <viliny> any fun shell scripts i could play with on my ssh connection to the phone?
Apr 20 10:42:17 <viliny> cmatrix isn't there :)
Apr 20 10:42:54 <ccooke> viliny: what do you want to do? ;-)
Apr 20 10:43:08 <viliny> just see my phone do something :)
Apr 20 10:43:11 <Lumpio-> Fork bomb
Apr 20 10:43:18 <MiXu-> How do I take a screenshot in scratchbox?
Apr 20 10:45:04 <viliny> fork bomb sounds bad :P
Apr 20 10:45:37 <MohammadAG> MiXu-, print screenshot?
Apr 20 10:48:07 <ccooke> viliny: it'll only kill your battery and cause you to have to reboot.
Apr 20 10:48:50 <ccooke> So, basically, don't type this into the shell : ":(){ :|:&}" (deliberately unfinished) ;-)
Apr 20 10:48:53 <MiXu-> MohammadAG: I'd prefer using the native screenshot mechanism instead
Apr 20 10:49:21 <MohammadAG> could be ctrl shit p
Apr 20 10:49:25 <MohammadAG> not sure though
Apr 20 10:49:38 <MiXu-> I tried that but it does nothing
Apr 20 10:50:06 <MohammadAG> MiXu-, ubuntu?
Apr 20 10:50:23 <ccooke> (Of course, my loaner n900 has been dead for a bit due to usb port brokenness, but we've been using it via a battery charger :-)
Apr 20 10:50:30 <MiXu-> MohammadAG: yes
Apr 20 10:50:48 <MohammadAG> MiXu-, applications - accessories take screenshot
Apr 20 10:50:58 <MohammadAG> it allows you to select window
Apr 20 10:51:03 <MohammadAG> (without the border)
Apr 20 10:51:10 <MiXu-> Oh, cool. That works
Apr 20 10:55:05 <noobmonk3y> MohammadAG: (Whilst on boring telecons - managed to get colours working on the tabs :| )
Apr 20 10:55:25 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 20 11:23:16 <wazd> and hello again
Apr 20 11:24:29 <viliny> anyone have a handy current resistance calculator for finding out the right resistor to drop voltage to a certain level?
Apr 20 11:26:28 <Kurppa_> You could have typed that into google.
Apr 20 11:26:37 <viliny> trying hard :)
Apr 20 11:30:16 <vanadismobile> hai
Apr 20 11:30:32 <vanadismobile> is there any tower defense for the n900?
Apr 20 11:36:47 <noobmonk3y_work> vanadismobile:  no but i would love one¬!
Apr 20 11:37:22 <vanadismobile> well, then we have a new project
Apr 20 11:38:54 <nid0> fucking car dealers :@
Apr 20 11:53:14 <hrw> how often do I have to reboot n900 to do not have lagggy phone?
Apr 20 11:54:59 <lcuk> hrw i dont reboot phone - can you record a slice and let me look how laggy it gets before you give up and reboot
Apr 20 12:01:36 <Disconnect> lcuk: i just got it yesterday and i'll see what i can do to get you a vid tonight. gets to where even trying to lock it (hw lock) will sit there for a minute or more before a bunch of things happen..
Apr 20 12:01:42 <hrw> lcuk: cant
Apr 20 12:02:03 <viliny> any way to toggle hideuseragent without having to uninstall it every time?
Apr 20 12:02:15 <Disconnect> and i'd kill for a hardware desktop button, but maybe thats just my android roots showing ;)
Apr 20 12:02:16 * noobmonk3y_work is coming to terms with no CSS for Qlistwidgets :| :| :|
Apr 20 12:02:29 <Disconnect> (actually, no, its not, cuz my 770/n800 both have it too)
Apr 20 12:02:59 <hrw> Disconnect: apt-get install shortcutd
Apr 20 12:03:28 <Disconnect> hrw: saw that in the repo, haven't installed it yet. bbiab tho gotta go to work
Apr 20 12:04:49 <MohammadAG_> E72 updated
Apr 20 12:04:56 <MohammadAG_> noobmonk3y_work, you might be right after all
Apr 20 12:05:26 * noobmonk3y_work right? neveeeeeer
Apr 20 12:05:32 <noobmonk3y_work> i make a living out of proving myself wrong ;)
Apr 20 12:05:54 <MohammadAG_> noobmonk3y_work, PR1. 2
Apr 20 12:06:07 * MohammadAG_ didn't want to ping most ppl on here so he added a space
Apr 20 12:06:07 <noobmonk3y_work> lol tomorrow/thurs?
Apr 20 12:06:10 <MohammadAG_> idk
Apr 20 12:06:15 <noobmonk3y_work> :P
Apr 20 12:06:23 <MohammadAG_> but, N86, 5800, E72, E66, they all got updated
Apr 20 12:06:45 <hrw> MohammadAG_: but symbian is other part of nokia
Apr 20 12:07:14 <MohammadAG_> hrw, I'm just saying
Apr 20 12:07:23 <MohammadAG_> I never said they were both the same thing
Apr 20 12:07:32 <noobmonk3y_work> hehehe
Apr 20 12:08:06 <hrw> MohammadAG_: any changelog for e66?
Apr 20 12:08:14 <hrw> MohammadAG_: mine here runs 210 FW still
Apr 20 12:08:14 <MohammadAG_> sec
Apr 20 12:08:19 <MohammadAG_> LOL
Apr 20 12:08:26 <MohammadAG_> 410 is the latest afaik
Apr 20 12:08:33 <MohammadAG_> still got to update my dad's E66
Apr 20 12:08:37 <hrw> MohammadAG_: I would have to change product code
Apr 20 12:08:57 <MohammadAG_> hrw, changed it here
Apr 20 12:09:09 <hrw> MohammadAG_: and I do not remember when last time I used e66
Apr 20 12:09:14 <hrw> probably need to sell it
Apr 20 12:09:18 <MohammadAG_> hrw, http://zomgitscj.com/the-nokia-e71-nokia-e66-and-nokia-e63-gets-a-firmware-update-to-version-410-21-010/
Apr 20 12:09:29 <hrw> thx
Apr 20 12:09:32 * MohammadAG_ adds e71 and e63 to the above list
Apr 20 12:09:34 <MohammadAG_> brb
Apr 20 12:09:50 <hrw> MohammadAG_: e63 is stripped down e71 ;D
Apr 20 12:09:53 <Surfa> e71 410 series fw is btw pretty good
Apr 20 12:10:02 <Surfa> it fixes most of my problems
Apr 20 12:19:10 <andrewfblack> whats the command for screenshot Ctrl I or Ctrl P?
Apr 20 12:19:50 <hrw> shiftctrlp
Apr 20 12:20:31 <andrewfblack> hrw: thanks forgot the shift part no wonder it wouldn't work.  I forgot you have to break your hand to do them
Apr 20 12:23:38 <viliny> any chromium users here?
Apr 20 12:29:10 <noobmonk3y_work> viliny: i think none alive ;)
Apr 20 12:29:24 <viliny> :)
Apr 20 12:29:31 * noobmonk3y_work prods MohammadAG  - which username are you using?
Apr 20 12:29:31 <viliny> any idea if it supports html5 youtube?
Apr 20 12:29:35 <FlavioFerreiraBR> someone have been used QMaemo5valuebutton ?
Apr 20 12:29:41 <kamui_> viliny
Apr 20 12:29:44 <kamui_> its slow as a sack
Apr 20 12:29:47 * ccooke wonders if there will be a summit this year... and, if there is one, what it will be about :-)
Apr 20 12:29:49 <noobmonk3y_work> sorry FlavioFerreiraBR  never used it
Apr 20 12:30:26 * noobmonk3y_work has gone for foooooooood
Apr 20 12:30:27 <viliny> kamui_:  yes, i noticed :/ and the scrollbar is a b#"¤ to use
Apr 20 12:31:40 <FlavioFerreiraBR> i am using. But i want change the color of layouttext
Apr 20 12:32:13 <ccooke> (ah, I see there is a meego summit/conference. yay)
Apr 20 12:32:41 <Khertan> oh ... seems i'm not the only one to do his own repository for fremantle
Apr 20 12:33:12 <kamui_> viliny: you can use the chrome touch plugin
Apr 20 12:33:21 <kamui_> makes life with the browser a lot easier
Apr 20 12:33:34 <kamui_> as long as you aren't trying to look at flash content chrome isn't too bad
Apr 20 12:33:36 <MohammadAG_> * noobmonk3y_work prods MohammadAG  - which username are you using?
Apr 20 12:33:40 <MohammadAG_> ?
Apr 20 12:33:43 <MohammadAG_> oh nvm
Apr 20 12:33:53 <kamui_> but honestly, nothing doing compared to the MicroB, especially when the N900 is overclocked
Apr 20 12:34:19 <MohammadAG_> is there something similar to sudoers on Ubuntu?
Apr 20 12:34:24 <lcuk> oooo my laser cut stands have arrived
Apr 20 12:34:36 <ccooke> lcuk: nice?
Apr 20 12:34:43 <lcuk> extremely
Apr 20 12:35:12 <lcuk> the stylus sits on the front very much like a samurai sword :D
Apr 20 12:35:37 <ccooke> sounds more like a display case than a useful one, then ;-)
Apr 20 12:35:54 <lcuk> the 900 is ontop :p
Apr 20 12:36:14 <lcuk> its same job as my cig packet anyway
Apr 20 12:36:37 <Khertan> lol
Apr 20 12:37:15 <MohammadAG_> brb
Apr 20 12:37:24 <lcuk> charles are you coming to meego conf too then?
Apr 20 12:37:45 <lcuk> errr ccooke ^
Apr 20 12:38:07 <viliny> kamui_: is HTML5 video coming to microb?
Apr 20 12:38:59 <ccooke> lcuk: If I can, I will (and hey, charles *is* my name. I just don't use it if I can help it ;-)
Apr 20 12:40:10 <lcuk> heh
Apr 20 12:40:21 <viliny> anyone here running n900 at 1ghz?
Apr 20 12:40:25 <ccooke> I may not actually have time to do any of the dev work I want to anytime soon, but...
Apr 20 12:40:29 <lcuk> did you ever get motivated for your scriptable system doofer
Apr 20 12:40:36 <lcuk> then no lol
Apr 20 12:40:46 <ccooke> lcuk: started, got snowed under at work.
Apr 20 12:40:59 <jacekowski> http://i.imgur.com/yDlM5.jpg
Apr 20 12:41:13 <ccooke> I'm trying to claw back to something more reasonable now, but I had a period of working until eleven a day or two per week...
Apr 20 12:41:14 <lcuk> ccooke, yeah we all get sidetracked
Apr 20 12:41:27 * lcuk knows that feeling
Apr 20 12:41:35 <lcuk> hope you find your balance
Apr 20 12:41:56 <ccooke> Cheers. I have about three things I really want to get *right*... and no time to do them :-)
Apr 20 12:43:04 <ccooke> (Offline google reader client, location prediction and the tool you mentioned (although that, at least, it looks like some people were implementing similar things to)
Apr 20 12:43:53 <ccooke> The one I really want to play with is location prediction. I might end up writing a backend library for that and seeing if people are interested - I'm a *hell* of a lot more likely to find the time if I don't have to worry about UI
Apr 20 12:44:10 <lcuk> "you are on mars, please do a u-turn and head back to earth"
Apr 20 12:44:20 <ccooke> nah. Try this:
Apr 20 12:44:29 <ccooke> sample your location every N minutes.
Apr 20 12:45:00 <ccooke> feed that into a database.
Apr 20 12:45:38 <hrw> what I would like to see is someone who will rewrite tweaks/profilesx/powatool/tracker-cfg into control panel applets
Apr 20 12:46:24 <ccooke> have some code that calculates the stable points you tend to stay close to - For instance, it'd quickly pick up your house, your workplace. In a week or two, it would pick up a coffee shop you go to a lot. Carry on with that.
Apr 20 12:46:34 <ccooke> Then, apply intelligence to it.
Apr 20 12:47:06 <ccooke> If it knows where you are now and the rough direction you're travelling, it can predict where you're probably going *to*
Apr 20 12:47:24 <Khertan> hum ... and what will be the purpose ?
Apr 20 12:47:27 <ccooke> feed into that schedules - so if you always go to the pub on a tuesday, that's probably where you're going.
Apr 20 12:47:31 <Khertan> do not use too much the gps ?
Apr 20 12:48:08 <ccooke> Then provide a plugin interface to this information.
Apr 20 12:48:17 <hrw> Khertan: location does not have to mean gps only
Apr 20 12:48:36 <Khertan> hrw, yes of course
Apr 20 12:48:48 <Khertan> but currently i didn't see a real purpose
Apr 20 12:48:55 <ccooke> For a sample app... Work out the probably destination. Query public transport times and live status information. Display that on a home-style screen, with sounded alerts and popups if there are problems.
Apr 20 12:49:09 <Khertan> ah ... yes
Apr 20 12:49:11 <Khertan> now i see
Apr 20 12:49:15 <lcuk> i would like gps that doesnt make me drive on the grass at the side of the road
Apr 20 12:49:37 <ccooke> end result: I start walking towards the tube station and my phone says "Hey, that line's delayed. Your best route home now is *other direction*"
Apr 20 12:49:47 <lcuk> "you are going through a barn, pull up, pull up"
Apr 20 12:50:09 <lcuk> that would be incredibly tricky ccooke
Apr 20 12:50:12 <Khertan> ccooke, ok now i can see a reall usefull application
Apr 20 12:50:16 <ccooke> lcuk: bad idea. Barns often have doors on either side, but they *always* have a roof...
Apr 20 12:50:19 <Khertan> lol
Apr 20 12:50:39 <hrw> as this is tuesday so you are going to the pub. but it is closed - go visit your lover because she have some free time and her period ended 3 days ago
Apr 20 12:50:43 <ccooke> lcuk: I did some simulations. It is actually doable.
Apr 20 12:50:43 <hrw> etc?
Apr 20 12:50:52 <lcuk> cool
Apr 20 12:51:03 <lcuk> hrw o_O maegirls integration
Apr 20 12:51:04 <lcuk> i like it
Apr 20 12:51:04 <ccooke> hrw: that would require more plugins, but basically yes :-)
Apr 20 12:51:28 <Khertan> lol
Apr 20 12:51:43 <hrw> ccooke: add front camera face recognition to not show that messages for wife
Apr 20 12:51:57 <ccooke> hrw: *you* can do that ;-)
Apr 20 12:52:16 <ccooke> as I said - I think I'm much more likkely to finish this if I don't attempt a UI
Apr 20 12:52:21 <lcuk> *facepalm*
Apr 20 12:52:22 <ccooke> but a dbus server... oh, yes.
Apr 20 12:52:31 <hrw> ccooke: front camera quality is famous - I have a problems with recognising faces on it
Apr 20 12:52:38 <mikki-kun> hm, sounds interesting
Apr 20 12:52:45 <ccooke> yeah, it's a little... ropey.
Apr 20 12:53:15 <viliny> how can i test the front camera?
Apr 20 12:53:22 <hrw> viliny: mirror app
Apr 20 12:53:23 <ccooke> (The best thing about writing servers? you don't care much if the hardware changes and display UI stuff is entirely replaced...)
Apr 20 12:53:24 <viliny> camera app only lets me use the one on the back
Apr 20 12:53:40 <viliny> ty hrw
Apr 20 12:53:56 <nid0> or healthcheck
Apr 20 12:54:02 <viliny> are skype video calls scifi for the n900?
Apr 20 12:54:23 <ccooke> Of course, it'll probably take me another month or so to get that working, but... if I fin the time to make that server work, would anyone find it interesting?
Apr 20 12:54:26 <mikki-kun> or a simple short "mplayer -tv://$PARM" in the CLI will do the job as well (if mplayer is installed)
Apr 20 12:54:30 <frals> saw something on the forums it might be in pr1.2
Apr 20 12:54:40 <ccooke> (I can do a web-based UI for it as long as it doesn't need to be pretty ;-)
Apr 20 12:54:43 <frals> regarding video calls, i might be wrong thou
Apr 20 12:54:52 <viliny> ok, thank you frals
Apr 20 12:55:50 <mikki-kun> if mplayer is installed "mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video0" should do the job on the n900 for frontcamera-view
Apr 20 12:57:10 <Lynoure> I just realized how wonder it would be if I could configure the maemo UI button/combobox size (S-M-L) according to my finger size
Apr 20 12:57:31 <Lynoure> The current one seems to be made to fit the fattest fingers possible :)
Apr 20 12:58:18 <viliny> maybe you could make a dynamic one that gathers data from a bluetooth heart rate monitor and logs it and makes calculations based on that and your inputted initial weight and height and is able to scale the button according to your current physique ;)
Apr 20 12:59:21 <mikki-kun> why bluetooth heart rate monitor?
Apr 20 12:59:24 <SpeedEvil> viliny: I want to do that
Apr 20 12:59:37 <SpeedEvil> mikki-kun: because they are available, and you can talk to it on hte phone
Apr 20 12:59:38 <lcuk> ccooke, your idea has serious potential but the logistics of it would be enormous, for a worldwide audience the server power required would be immense
Apr 20 13:00:05 <ccooke> lcuk: Nothing serverside :-)
Apr 20 13:00:48 <ccooke> bah, now I'm feeling there's a challenge. I shall have to make the time to build a demo to prove it's viable...
Apr 20 13:00:56 <mikki-kun> hm... i've not seen those around
Apr 20 13:01:01 <Lynoure> viliny: I don't think there is that much correlation between fitness and finger size :)
Apr 20 13:01:40 <viliny> Lynoure: Yeah it was a joke but i bet i ruined someones evening with it :)
Apr 20 13:02:02 <Lynoure> viliny: or made their day in form of a happy coding flow :)
Apr 20 13:02:47 <viliny> well i guess a software tester somewhere is going to be very fit (or very unfit) soon :P
Apr 20 13:03:09 <viliny> "Part 1 - We opened a tab for you at KFC - GO!"
Apr 20 13:03:22 <mikki-kun> ;D
Apr 20 13:04:56 <Lynoure> I think currently all the buttons about about twice the height I'd need them to be. Could poke them with my nose.
Apr 20 13:05:44 <mikki-kun> "how d'ya use your phone?" 'with my nose'
Apr 20 13:06:16 <viliny> i prefer using the stylus all the time
Apr 20 13:06:18 <SpeedEvil> I do use my nose occasionally
Apr 20 13:06:20 <Lynoure> Well, my problem actually is that I'd need a dropdown/combobox in the UI
Apr 20 13:06:22 <SpeedEvil> when I'm in bed.
Apr 20 13:06:22 <viliny> i _hate_ fingerprints
Apr 20 13:06:32 <SpeedEvil> no fingerprints if you use your nose.
Apr 20 13:06:35 <Lynoure> and it takes so much of the limited space
Apr 20 13:06:42 <viliny> SpeedEvil: other hand occupied eh? ;)
Apr 20 13:07:12 <Lynoure> I guess there is no way to get one into the menu section with Qt
Apr 20 13:07:28 <Lynoure> So then I need a dialog, blah.
Apr 20 13:07:39 <SpeedEvil> viliny: lying on one side, reading ebook.
Apr 20 13:09:22 <viliny> would be a new low for me to go around using my phone with my face here at work
Apr 20 13:10:42 <Lynoure> (or, well, a value button)
Apr 20 13:10:50 <Lynoure> Any ideas?
Apr 20 13:11:36 <viliny> does the maemo talk mod section offer any help?
Apr 20 13:13:10 <Lynoure> viliny: the what?
Apr 20 13:15:37 <Lynoure> I found maemotalk.com but no mod category.. so I think that's something else.
Apr 20 13:16:27 <Disconnect> lcuk: seems like firefox is -really- good at destroying performance
Apr 20 13:17:13 <lcuk> Disconnect, is firefox in extras?
Apr 20 13:17:27 <Disconnect> lcuk: worse. lemme find the link real quick
Apr 20 13:17:38 <lcuk> not my problem - file a bug with them
Apr 20 13:18:14 <gouverneur> lcuk: at ovi
Apr 20 13:18:48 * lcuk .
Apr 20 13:18:51 <TigerTael> How do I erase the emmc?
Apr 20 13:19:03 <Disconnect> it was under the recommended apps on the first launch of ovi..
Apr 20 13:19:04 <TigerTael> Or rather, how do I restore emmc to default?
Apr 20 13:19:14 <lcuk> TigerTael, there is an emmc image to completely vape it
Apr 20 13:19:24 <TigerTael> lcuk, do you perhaps have a link for me?
Apr 20 13:19:35 <lcuk> no, but google should
Apr 20 13:19:40 <TigerTael> Okay thanks
Apr 20 13:19:43 <lcuk> ~flashing
Apr 20 13:19:44 <infobot> rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Apr 20 13:19:52 <Disconnect> still is in fact :) http://store.ovi.com/?lang=en&country=US&serviceID=gateway#/applications (select n900) its the very very first app recommended.
Apr 20 13:20:05 <lcuk> on there TigerTael
Apr 20 13:20:10 <gouverneur> for what reason?
Apr 20 13:20:43 <Disconnect> lcuk: but before i get an incorrect impression, is it the 'maemo way' that an app can trash the rest of the system and its not a system bug? (not being antagonistic, just asking. my assumption would be "no, the scheduler/swapper/etc should handle that or kill the app")
Apr 20 13:21:20 <gouverneur> Disconnect: would expect last but first happens
Apr 20 13:21:48 <lcuk> Disconnect, file a proper bug about it and the right people can see/comment on it
Apr 20 13:22:14 <Disconnect> lcuk: will do, i'll get the vid tonight. just wanted to save time if it was gonna get closed as "3rd party app, too bad, so sorry" :)
Apr 20 13:22:24 <lcuk> its very likely you can install an app that can bork your system and if firefox is hungry and wants to consume everything then its oging to
Apr 20 13:23:01 <lcuk> Disconnect, it very possibly may still get closed in that way in which case you take it to mozilla themselves?
Apr 20 13:23:06 <Disconnect> the stalling and such is annoying, but the biggest peeve i've got so far is that none of the browsers reflow properly when zooming. i'm hopeful there is already a bug..
Apr 20 13:23:14 * noobmonk3y_work is back :D
Apr 20 13:23:27 <viliny> noobmonk3y_work: you made healthcheck?
Apr 20 13:23:27 <gouverneur> wb
Apr 20 13:23:28 <TigerTael> lcuk, found it thanks.
Apr 20 13:23:39 <noobmonk3y_work> hi viliny - yup - still a work inprogress hehe
Apr 20 13:23:45 <Disconnect> lcuk: sure, but at the end of the day this is a consumer device billed as a hard-core multitasker. if a single app can destroy performance, thats a tuning/system bug in my eyes...
Apr 20 13:23:48 <viliny> ah i see - well really nice app - thanks man :)
Apr 20 13:24:01 <TigerTael> RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin <=- Apparently this is still the latest.
Apr 20 13:24:09 <noobmonk3y_work> awwww, great to hear - thank you very much! :D :D allways appreciate any feedback :D
Apr 20 13:25:16 <noobmonk3y_work> latest updat epic -> http://www.gregjroberts.com/S1.png - as i said, work in progress with CSS :D
Apr 20 13:25:22 <noobmonk3y_work> update pic*
Apr 20 13:26:33 <Disconnect> ~bugs
Apr 20 13:26:33 <TigerTael> lcuk, do I just flash it as a fiasco image?
Apr 20 13:27:17 <crashanddie> Disconnect: then you'd be wrong
Apr 20 13:27:37 <Disconnect> lcuk: google-fu is failing me and the maemo bugtracker only seems to track garage projects (or at least, 'browser' 'microb' 'maemo browser' etc aren't listed as projects to view bug reports on)
Apr 20 13:27:43 <crashanddie> Disconnect: any app can destroy performance, multi-tasking simply means that multiple apps have the ability to run at the same time, not that *any* app can run at the same time.
Apr 20 13:27:46 <TigerTael> lcuk, nvm, just read now.
Apr 20 13:28:06 <crashanddie> Disconnect: that would be like expecting you can run any app at the same time on your desktop -- the limits may be higher, but they're still there
Apr 20 13:29:04 <Disconnect> crashanddie: er, welcome to consumer electronics. thats one of the (only) things android manages really well - apps are mostly prevented from destroying performance, and if an app figures out how to do it its a bug in the system. (now, thats not to say it doesn't happen on occasion. and battery use is a separate issue. but its an actual goal..)
Apr 20 13:29:25 <Disconnect> crashanddie: the trick is, this isn't being sold as a desktop. its being sold as a phone.
Apr 20 13:29:37 <crashanddie> no, it's being sold as a mobile computer
Apr 20 13:29:43 <crashanddie> get your facts right
Apr 20 13:29:48 <Disconnect> lcuk: nm btw, advanced search has it :)
Apr 20 13:31:56 <Disconnect> crashanddie: the ability to open one app and drag the system to a grinding halt (where even the hw lock button takes 20-45 seconds to work) is not a feature. no matter how much you try to make it one.
Apr 20 13:32:34 <lcuk> Disconnect, i can run apps on windows which bring everything to a halt
Apr 20 13:32:45 <lcuk> 1 app is all it takes
Apr 20 13:32:56 <lcuk> or i can run 50 coorerative moderate apps
Apr 20 13:32:59 <Disconnect> lcuk: ok seriously, you're going to put windows up as the epitome of operating systems with a straight face?
Apr 20 13:33:07 <Disconnect> also, in win7, that is way more difficult to do..
Apr 20 13:33:13 <lcuk> same goes for maemo
Apr 20 13:33:24 <SpeedEvil> And yes - app cpu and RAM quotas would be good
Apr 20 13:33:27 <SpeedEvil> ram is trivial
Apr 20 13:33:33 <Disconnect> ulimit ftw..
Apr 20 13:33:52 <SpeedEvil> ulimit does not limit ongoing CPU usage
Apr 20 13:33:59 <SpeedEvil> you can't ulimit a process to 10% of the CPU
Apr 20 13:34:04 <Disconnect> for that matter, linux has a free-up-memory signal. "hey look. we're swapping. lets tag background apps and processes to free memory." .. "ok we're still swapping. tag the foreground app to free memory"
Apr 20 13:34:28 <SpeedEvil> oomkill?
Apr 20 13:34:47 <Disconnect> some of the embedded cpu schedulers have interesting ideas in that way. for that matter, so do the desktop ones. (did ck's scheduler get picked up after he quit?)
Apr 20 13:35:05 <SpeedEvil> Is there a way to say 'yes, I want to lock the CPU to this speed, I have a good reason'
Apr 20 13:35:25 <lcuk> Disconnect, there might be a signal
Apr 20 13:35:29 <SpeedEvil> I did echo 600000 >/sys/whatever - and it works at 250, and at 500, but not 550, or 600
Apr 20 13:35:32 <lcuk> but if apps dont listen
Apr 20 13:36:03 <Disconnect> lcuk: sure, but most memory hungry apps do. firefox specifically, which is the one at issue here.
Apr 20 13:37:55 <the_lord> Hi!
Apr 20 13:38:03 <the_lord> I'm having kind of an issue here
Apr 20 13:38:14 <gouverneur> the_lord: hi
Apr 20 13:38:18 <gouverneur> the_lord: good to here
Apr 20 13:38:22 <the_lord> I have my n900 configured with a SIP client of my office
Apr 20 13:38:50 <gouverneur> the_lord: cool
Apr 20 13:39:11 <the_lord> is there a way to make the phone dial a prefix for calls that go through SIP ?
Apr 20 13:39:25 <the_lord> I have to dial 9 to go outside
Apr 20 13:39:29 <gouverneur> the_lord: nope
Apr 20 13:39:39 <lcuk> Disconnect, you will have to clarify better about what brought it to a halt - were you opening several hundred tabs with flash in each etc or was this just opening and reasonable usage
Apr 20 13:39:42 <Disconnect> metabug - maemo bugtracker password recovery says "If you have an account, but have forgotten your password, enter your login name below".. that then becomes "The e-mail address you entered (disconnect) didn't pass our syntax checking"... maybe it should say email at the front, if thats what it wants..
Apr 20 13:39:57 <gouverneur> the_lord: you can setup a sip number at your contacts with a 9
Apr 20 13:40:22 <the_lord> gouverneur, manually, of course
Apr 20 13:40:32 <gouverneur> the_lord: sure ,)
Apr 20 13:40:36 <the_lord> gouverneur, It would be nice to have that option
Apr 20 13:40:40 <Disconnect> lcuk: one tab, viewing the mobile ff knowledgebase. weave sync enabled (high remote-computer tabcount but none opened locally) and only 2 other extensions (adblock, noscript)
Apr 20 13:41:06 * lcuk used to bring laptop down by viewing slashdot :D
Apr 20 13:41:19 * frals flashes lcuk
Apr 20 13:41:21 <lcuk> does it give you the "app is not responding, close" message
Apr 20 13:41:24 <Disconnect> this evening when i sit down to gather info i'll look at cpu/ram usage and see whats going on. overall its sluggish (even compared to a g1, which is hard to do :) ..) and that seems to be an easily-reproducable issue
Apr 20 13:41:28 <gouverneur> the_lord: there are many things that would be nice but as long as we are looking at closed source...
Apr 20 13:41:50 <lcuk> Disconnect, then give reproducable info in a bug report and let people do something
Apr 20 13:42:02 <Disconnect> nope. hit window-list, it (usually) comes up, then sits. hit the lock button, nothing. at this point i generally hit the button a couple more times, then move on adn revisit it later to make sure it locked
Apr 20 13:42:04 <frals> so i got mail with a errorlog today.. empty mail, empty subject, from name was set to "vodafone" and attached the log and 2 images and nothing else
Apr 20 13:42:13 <Disconnect> lcuk: planning on it. been saying that from the beginning.
Apr 20 13:42:20 <Stskeeps> frals: someone sent it by mms?
Apr 20 13:42:21 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 20 13:43:00 <Disconnect> i'm just not gonna spend 45 minutes getting logs, stats, videos, etc and then have it closed as a firefox bug. (so part of my during-the-day task is to make it happen with other apps. think its doable, just not as dramatic)
Apr 20 13:43:10 <the_lord> gouverneur, yeah, of course we could write a new SIP client :P
Apr 20 13:46:32 <lcuk> Disconnect, first thing you should do is see if there is already a performance bug for firefox
Apr 20 13:51:43 <gouverneur> the_lord: just file a bug! shouldn't be that a problem to put a prefix in the sipclient advanced settings
Apr 20 13:54:58 <petteri> I am porting X11 application to maemo. Fullscreen does not work. Any tips on how to start understan the problem or fix it :)
Apr 20 13:55:24 <the_lord> gouverneur, I'm on it
Apr 20 13:55:55 <gouverneur> post here bugXXXX so we can vote for it
Apr 20 13:57:14 <Disconnect> lcuk: will do.
Apr 20 13:58:35 * Jaffa has a trip home! Woot!
Apr 20 13:58:45 <Jaffa> It does involve a hire car, and driving from Stockholm to London
Apr 20 13:58:49 <Jaffa> Over night.
Apr 20 13:58:51 <Jaffa> Tonight.
Apr 20 13:58:55 <frals> :D
Apr 20 13:59:01 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Most airspace is open again ;)
Apr 20 13:59:07 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Not in the UK
Apr 20 13:59:20 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Yeah, well chunnel ;)
Apr 20 13:59:56 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Ferry, Dunkerque -> Dover. But still got to get there :)
Apr 20 14:00:45 <achipa> Jaffa: for speedy gonzales every route is a shortcut !
Apr 20 14:00:45 <X-Fade> hehe.
Apr 20 14:01:52 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: that desperate to get home to your joggler? ;)
Apr 20 14:06:14 <bullet`> hello room
Apr 20 14:07:04 <noobmonk3y_work> heya
Apr 20 14:09:42 <Khertan> Host kernel has vdso support (which is uncompatible with SB)
Apr 20 14:09:43 <Khertan> You can fix this with either:
Apr 20 14:09:43 <Khertan>   echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled
Apr 20 14:09:46 <Khertan> rahhhh
Apr 20 14:09:52 <Khertan> why :!!!. .§?.§.§/. §/?/. ?/.§! !!!!
Apr 20 14:10:00 <Stskeeps> because life isn't fair
Apr 20 14:10:06 <Khertan> yep clearly ...
Apr 20 14:10:16 <Khertan> do not upgrade to 10.04 :)
Apr 20 14:12:47 <wazd> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=619411&postcount=28 <- what do yall think?
Apr 20 14:13:48 <Stskeeps> the icons look a little weird in the way they're resized but cool
Apr 20 14:14:11 <noobmonk3y_work> lol!
Apr 20 14:14:15 <Stskeeps> petrovich one is nice
Apr 20 14:14:42 <noobmonk3y_work> great work wazd !!
Apr 20 14:14:46 <gouverneur> nice
Apr 20 14:15:04 <X-Fade> wazd: Cool :)
Apr 20 14:15:07 <noobmonk3y_work> petrovich one needs to be bigger i'd say - tis a bit squishy
Apr 20 14:15:16 <noobmonk3y_work> Tron needs a tron car :D
Apr 20 14:15:26 <noobmonk3y_work> love the RSS one!
Apr 20 14:15:27 <TomaszD> wazd, black extras decoders will be almost invisible on black background :(
Apr 20 14:15:34 <noobmonk3y_work> Rootsh - lol - nice
Apr 20 14:16:01 <TomaszD> and it doesn't say anything about audio decoders
Apr 20 14:17:25 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: yup
Apr 20 14:17:30 <Jaffa> achipa: You've seen my driving then :-)
Apr 20 14:20:02 <frals> Jaffa: at least you got to experience the swedish spring... Sun/rain/hail and snow, all in the same day!
Apr 20 14:24:43 <Jaffa> frals: :-)
Apr 20 14:28:47 <godrik> how can we change the cefault pdf reader on the n810 ?
Apr 20 14:28:56 <godrik> i downloaded epdfview and evince
Apr 20 14:29:03 <Stskeeps> there's a dbus switchboard thing
Apr 20 14:29:22 <godrik> is that a separate application ?
Apr 20 14:29:41 <Stskeeps> yes
Apr 20 14:29:57 <godrik> ok i'll have a look at that
Apr 20 14:30:00 <godrik> thank you
Apr 20 14:44:27 <Timbo> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_shortcuts_and_gestures#Web_Browser_Gestures
Apr 20 14:44:39 <Timbo> i don't seem to be able to get the swipe left or right gestures to work
Apr 20 14:44:41 <Timbo> any tips?
Apr 20 14:46:09 <oscillik> where are you starting the swipe?
Apr 20 14:46:41 <godrik> Stskeeps: got it. thanks
Apr 20 14:46:46 <Stskeeps> cool
Apr 20 14:47:29 <Timbo> oscillik: the black bit at the side of the screen
Apr 20 14:48:00 <oscillik> hmm that should definitely work :-/
Apr 20 14:48:34 <Timbo> hmm
Apr 20 14:53:42 <Timbo> odd, seems it just doesn't work on some sites
Apr 20 14:54:31 <oscillik> works on everything for me
Apr 20 14:54:34 * oscillik shrugs
Apr 20 14:54:41 <Timbo> try news.bbc.co.uk
Apr 20 14:55:05 <Timbo> bah
Apr 20 14:55:08 <Timbo> now it works
Apr 20 14:55:09 <Timbo> wtf?
Apr 20 14:56:36 * noobmonk3y_work warns everyone away from the t.m.o land.... looks like frals is a trolling ;)
Apr 20 14:57:09 <frals> omg who let that bastard on tmo again!
Apr 20 14:57:15 * frals runs for the hills
Apr 20 15:24:20 <inkbottle> hi, i really can't go through the issue described there: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38267
Apr 20 15:28:17 <inkbottle> I don't understand the "dns does not answer" because "ping downloads.maemo.nokia.com" works
Apr 20 15:33:11 <inkbottle> if i replace by 81.52.160.33 i doesn't work better
Apr 20 15:34:30 <inkbottle> more this one perhaps: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37713
Apr 20 15:36:44 <lcuk> inkbottle, try disabling additional repositories
Apr 20 15:36:50 <lcuk> and find out which one causes you pain
Apr 20 15:37:49 * frals awards lcuk "problem solver of the month award"
Apr 20 15:38:18 * lcuk hits frals on the head with a shovel
Apr 20 15:38:29 <lcuk> oh sorry, i meant "/me shakes frals hand"
Apr 20 15:38:30 <lcuk> typo
Apr 20 15:38:34 <frals> :D
Apr 20 15:38:46 <frals> think i need a proper beating to get started on the input validation in my new dialogs
Apr 20 15:38:47 <lcuk> i always get those letters mixed up
Apr 20 15:38:51 <ccooke> lcuk: it's odd how easy it is to make typos like that
Apr 20 15:38:59 <frals> why cant users just understand what they are suppose to put in :<
Apr 20 15:39:08 <lcuk> because users never will
Apr 20 15:39:22 <lcuk> input validation and logicalflows are high priority
Apr 20 15:39:37 <frals> yeah
Apr 20 15:39:42 <lcuk> in old job, a lot of our users had never used a computer, let alone a complex app
Apr 20 15:40:34 <frals> and being the architect/designer/tester/coder of the application its easy to miss what 'normal' users are going to do
Apr 20 15:41:05 <frals> otoh i actually had ONE post in the fmms thread who said everything was perfectly logical and super easy to setup
Apr 20 15:41:14 <frals> i should print that and frame
Apr 20 15:41:50 <lcuk> lol
Apr 20 15:41:59 <inkbottle> lcuk, i only have the repos here by default; and it is downloads.maemo.nokia.com tat is th issue
Apr 20 15:42:32 <inkbottle> i changed dns to google's one, no help
Apr 20 15:42:59 <lcuk> well is it the dns - since everything else seems to find it and work
Apr 20 15:43:21 <X-Fade> inkbottle: Where are you in the world?
Apr 20 15:43:31 <inkbottle> france
Apr 20 15:43:49 <inkbottle> but i can ping the address
Apr 20 15:44:01 <X-Fade> Hmm no, there should not be any export control for France :)
Apr 20 15:44:41 <inkbottle> from the n900; only with apt-get (or update apps), i have the issue
Apr 20 15:45:10 <inkbottle> but it's been described many times
Apr 20 15:46:02 <inkbottle> i use wifi
Apr 20 15:47:45 <frals> am i imagining things or wasnt there a thread on maemo-dev about download stats from -devel and -testing?
Apr 20 15:48:00 <Stskeeps> nop
Apr 20 15:48:10 <X-Fade> frals: Was about stats in general.
Apr 20 15:48:23 <X-Fade> frals: Everything is added up in the stats btw.
Apr 20 15:48:50 <frals> X-Fade: is it possible to get the stats for something in -devel? or would I need the page added on /downloads/ to get them?
Apr 20 15:50:19 <X-Fade> frals: Pssst -> http://maemo.org/download-stats/index.php?unixname=fmms&os=Maemo5&repo=extras
Apr 20 15:50:36 <frals> X-Fade: cheers :)
Apr 20 15:51:03 <inkbottle> the bug is there: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7665
Apr 20 15:51:06 <povbot> Bug 7665: App Manager cannot update official Nokia repos through wi-fi/wlan connection
Apr 20 15:51:22 <frals> X-Fade: hate to be a PITA, but is there a way to get total# as well? :)
Apr 20 15:51:48 <X-Fade> frals: Yes, view source and add everything up :)
Apr 20 15:52:48 <frals> Alright, thank you :)
Apr 20 15:52:59 <lcuk> count the pixels
Apr 20 15:54:52 <inkbottle> i'll come back later
Apr 20 15:57:12 <frals> 126532 \o/
Apr 20 15:59:46 <SpeedEvil> ?
Apr 20 15:59:47 <SpeedEvil> Oh
Apr 20 15:59:58 <SpeedEvil> So we now have a hard minimum number on sales I guess. :)
Apr 20 16:00:15 <SpeedEvil> (assuming people are not insane and downloading multiple times.
Apr 20 16:00:23 <SpeedEvil> Awesome frals.
Apr 20 16:00:38 <frals> well theres been a million versions etc, so actuall user count is probably way below
Apr 20 16:00:41 <SpeedEvil> I now have fmms installed, in the unlikely event of me needing to send or recieve mms
Apr 20 16:01:04 <frals> SpeedEvil: let me know if you experience any mysterious battery drain from having it installed please :)
Apr 20 16:01:31 <slonopotamus> so... who is on duty today?
Apr 20 16:01:45 <frals> since I have it installed on both my phones all the time due to testing I can't really compare it battery performance without having it installed :D
Apr 20 16:03:27 <lcuk> SpeedEvil, spread your phone number here and im sure people will send you test messages lol
Apr 20 16:08:31 <frals> fuck sake why can exchange filter incoming mail serverside on senders email but not on recipients email?
Apr 20 16:08:58 <gouverneur> lol
Apr 20 16:09:44 <gouverneur> cause it guesses you are using the one and only windows live account that is needed in the world
Apr 20 16:10:01 <oscillik> i'm switching from O2 to giffgaff
Apr 20 16:10:04 <oscillik> :D
Apr 20 16:10:51 <gouverneur> its like win98 telling everyone in the network that it is to be master-server
Apr 20 16:11:33 <Mac87> i am new with my n900 ... is there a website to learn xterminal codes??
Apr 20 16:13:27 <SWFu_> MAC87, plenty, google Linux commands
Apr 20 16:14:00 <petteri> n900 includes busybox, you can find default commands here: http://www.busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html . Just scroll down a little
Apr 20 16:14:52 <Mac87> thank  you
Apr 20 16:18:28 <gouverneur> petteri: that is nothing like a help for n00bs!
Apr 20 16:22:14 <petteri> sorry about that :)
Apr 20 16:23:03 <petteri> how does one find the source for this: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/tecnoballz . apt-get source tecnoballz returns nothing. I would like to see if it is possible to add accelator support
Apr 20 16:23:45 <petteri> the maemo source, from that package is compiled
Apr 20 16:40:10 <nikki93> Any n900 users here? I'm into Linux and software programming and stuff - my dad wants to buy a phone - I was suggesting the n900.
Apr 20 16:40:26 <Stskeeps> i think there's quite a lot of n900 users here ;)
Apr 20 16:40:34 <thresh> seriously?!
Apr 20 16:40:40 <thresh> point me one !
Apr 20 16:40:44 * Stskeeps points to himself
Apr 20 16:40:45 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 20 16:40:55 * pupnik spins the bottle
Apr 20 16:41:37 <nikki93> so is it cool?
Apr 20 16:41:47 <nikki93> n900, I mean.
Apr 20 16:42:06 <greenfly> is your dad into Linux and software programming?
Apr 20 16:42:25 <greenfly> and does he want a pocket tablet computer or does he want a phone?
Apr 20 16:43:03 <Stskeeps> yes, it's cool - but does he want to buy it for you or for him?
Apr 20 16:43:08 <pupnik> if dad doesnt care, get the n900
Apr 20 16:43:32 <greenfly> the n900 is very cool for the right person
Apr 20 16:44:22 <pupnik> maybe dad will think it is interesting but get tired of it and give it to son
Apr 20 16:44:24 <greenfly> but if your dad mostly makes calls, MMS and SMS, updates twitter and facebook, and checks his email, he may want a smartphone
Apr 20 16:44:58 <greenfly> if the ability to easily fire up a terminal and get root would appeal to him, get a n900
Apr 20 16:45:18 <greenfly> and if phone calls are a nice feature to him, but the main thing is always-on internet
Apr 20 16:45:59 <greenfly> if he would like to use it for driving directions, don't get a n900*
Apr 20 16:46:15 <greenfly> * unless he lives in europe and is willing to pay extra for a third-party gps app
Apr 20 16:46:28 <Stskeeps> sygic's neat though
Apr 20 16:47:07 <sECuRE> greenfly: which app would that be?
Apr 20 16:47:13 <greenfly> sECuRE: sygic
Apr 20 16:47:18 <sECuRE> thanks
Apr 20 16:47:43 <greenfly> seems like there are two kinds of n900 owners
Apr 20 16:47:59 <greenfly> those who want to use it like a smartphone and those who want to use it like a computer
Apr 20 16:48:26 <greenfly> the ones who approach it like a phone seem to get disappointed and the ones who approach it like a computer seem to really like it
Apr 20 16:49:00 <javispedro> ah. a gtk-qt war!
Apr 20 16:49:55 <brik> I approached it like a phone and keep getting surprised over how wonderful it is! ;P
Apr 20 16:50:14 <greenfly> brik: heh, well cool :)
Apr 20 16:50:33 <Stskeeps> the screen is actually transparent cocaine
Apr 20 16:51:00 <brik> omnomnom n900
Apr 20 16:53:10 <andrewfblack> If you can't beat them join them http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=619658#post619658
Apr 20 16:53:40 <javispedro> hey andrewfblack, sounds like a good plan.
Apr 20 16:53:50 <Stskeeps> hehe
Apr 20 16:54:07 <naxu> :D
Apr 20 16:56:53 <opdf2> anyone order from protectionfilms24.com? How long usually to ship to midwest USA?
Apr 20 16:57:02 <opdf2> all that volcanic ash cant be good too
Apr 20 16:58:23 <nikki93> pupnik: well actually it's for my mom. I already have an iPhone (dad got it for free from company as gift) - I'm planning on giving it to her. She said if she gets an n900 she'll give it to me - anything is fine
Apr 20 16:59:12 <nikki93> greenfly: Nice. I'm thinking of approaching it like it's a computer.
Apr 20 16:59:21 <pupnik> sounds perfect.  ifone for mom and n90p for you
Apr 20 16:59:36 <nikki93> You can see my website here - I make computer games in my free time - http://nikki93.github.com/
Apr 20 17:00:41 <nikki93> Programming in free time during high school is so awesome. I moreso love open source and Linux etc. After I started using Linux in August 2008 my productivity rose real fast. I could choose how my computer worked - it was all up to me.
Apr 20 17:01:05 <nikki93> I use a tiling window manager and stuff - this is soo cool. I'd love something like that on a portable device - that freedom. The iPhone just seems to costrainting.
Apr 20 17:01:12 <nikki93> *too
Apr 20 17:01:44 <nikki93> Also I was reading the Linux kernel source and stuff and it's pretty well written. I learnt a lot of C that way. ^_^
Apr 20 17:02:07 <Stskeeps> sounds like a good device for you then
Apr 20 17:02:08 <pupnik> you are in more control, if you want to be
Apr 20 17:02:13 <nikki93> When I use a device and I know that there's a community out there making stuff simply because it's fun, it's so much fun.
Apr 20 17:02:16 <nikki93> Awesome.
Apr 20 17:11:09 <MohammadAG> how do I run a dbus command from python?
Apr 20 17:15:28 <javispedro> aha, slashdot is now going through the same overclocking stuff we went through a few weeks ago
Apr 20 17:16:38 <Stskeeps> url?
Apr 20 17:17:03 <javispedro> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/04/20/1512200/Hidden-Cores-On-Phenom-CPUs-Can-Be-Unlocked
Apr 20 17:17:31 <Stskeeps> heh
Apr 20 17:17:53 <javispedro> again the "manufacturers are evil" vs "manufacturers are smart" arguments
Apr 20 17:18:34 <Shapeshifter> two questions: where are the radio stations kept that ship with the n900 (I want to delete them all at once) and is there an equalizer for alsa/pulse? the bass is seriously too strong imo.
Apr 20 17:26:09 <SpeedEvil> Has anyone else had - when coming from lock - the camera pop up when opened a dialog asking for internets without actually taking pictures or showing preview?
Apr 20 17:26:32 <SpeedEvil> I have geotagging enabled, which is presumbaly why it was doing this - however I actually had GPS on and was logging in another app
Apr 20 17:27:05 <SpeedEvil> (so it diddn't need a connection)
Apr 20 17:30:17 <tim_> hello i need help
Apr 20 17:30:28 <SpeedEvil> with?
Apr 20 17:30:40 <tim_> installing debian
Apr 20 17:30:47 <pronto> tim_: check out the easy-debain chroot
Apr 20 17:31:00 <tim_> when it extracts it comes up with an error
Apr 20 17:33:27 <tim_> chroot needs debian-m5-v3b.img.ext2.lzma
Apr 20 17:33:38 <tim_> but installing it comes up with an error
Apr 20 17:34:22 <SpeedEvil> Is it 'Insufficient duct tape?'
Apr 20 17:34:40 <SpeedEvil> Or perhaps a missing eggplant error.
Apr 20 17:34:41 <tim_> no
Apr 20 17:37:29 <tim_> anyone got a download link of debian which isnt a beta version
Apr 20 17:37:46 <Shapeshifter> >.>
Apr 20 17:37:55 <MohammadAG> debian.org have one I think
Apr 20 17:38:15 <tim_> for maemo
Apr 20 17:38:17 <javispedro> we at least now know that there was indeed sufficient duct tape.
Apr 20 17:38:18 <MohammadAG> :)
Apr 20 17:38:19 <MohammadAG> oh
Apr 20 17:38:31 <MohammadAG> tim_, easy debian
Apr 20 17:38:47 <tim_> download link please!
Apr 20 17:38:52 <MohammadAG> it's in the repos...
Apr 20 17:39:35 <tim_> theres easy chroot and easy debian
Apr 20 17:39:50 <tim_> but it errors while i install it
Apr 20 17:40:14 <tim_> it downloads fine but extracting it makes it come up with an error
Apr 20 17:40:55 <javispedro> and the error message is?
Apr 20 17:41:57 <tim_> well if someone wanted to know someone could of said before when i had it up
Apr 20 17:41:58 <microlith> impressive, the media player has completely given up reading song info
Apr 20 17:42:00 <Shapeshifter> <.<
Apr 20 17:42:42 <Disconnect> tim_: er, just a thought, but "this is broken, give me free help" is -always- going to lead to "how is it broken? be specific."
Apr 20 17:43:03 <microlith> I wonder if nokia is keeping the media player closed not because it's a "value add" but because it's horrible and embarrasing
Apr 20 17:43:11 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 20 17:43:23 <javispedro> microlith: you have doubts?
Apr 20 17:43:43 * MohammadAG wonders if that was a troll
Apr 20 17:43:47 <javispedro> and we still don't know what his error message was.
Apr 20 17:43:55 <javispedro> MohammadAG: you missed half of the conversation, check the logs.
Apr 20 17:44:01 <javispedro> but still bash-candidate.
Apr 20 17:44:26 * microlith wonders why the widget forgets info when transitioning away from the desktop
Apr 20 17:44:49 <microlith> oh nice, it says "no songs"
Apr 20 17:45:28 <MohammadAG> tim_	but installing it comes up with an error
Apr 20 17:45:34 <MohammadAG> m/
Apr 20 17:45:59 <microlith> well, the media player has just failed completely
Apr 20 17:46:02 <MohammadAG> ^ (faceplam, for those who don't know)
Apr 20 17:46:35 <SpeedEvil> ' Nokia has announced its second PUSH N900  developer contest meant for developers to push themselves creatively by  figuring out creative uses and hacks for... Go  to Nokia Now' - as part of 'hypothetical' text for a new nokia website I've been asked to fill in a survey on.
Apr 20 17:46:36 <SpeedEvil> hmm
Apr 20 17:46:50 <GordonS> hey - anyone know whether it makes sense to want to build Qt (4.7) against libicd2 if you're not running Maemo... and if so, where the @*#@%! you find the source for it??
Apr 20 17:46:59 <GordonS> I'm doing some development on Qt itself
Apr 20 17:47:05 <javispedro> don't
Apr 20 17:47:11 <GordonS> (and I hope to be getting a N900 soonish...)
Apr 20 17:47:19 <javispedro> ah, for the n900, doth.
Apr 20 17:47:30 <GordonS> well, not for the N900 yet...
Apr 20 17:47:34 <Stskeeps> GordonS: what are you planning to do?
Apr 20 17:47:36 <GordonS> this is a desktop build I am working on presently
Apr 20 17:48:12 <GordonS> well... my goal at the moment is "build Qt with as much functionality as possible enabled" - I already submitted a patch today against OpenVG, since it didn't build against ShuvaVG anymore
Apr 20 17:48:17 <GordonS> er, Shiva
Apr 20 17:49:01 <javispedro> icd2 is a propietary network manager -- most probably you don't want it for your desktop build.
Apr 20 17:49:31 <GordonS> for my own future reference, though... since I do/have done work in Qt/E...
Apr 20 17:49:33 <Stskeeps> GordonS: .. why?
Apr 20 17:49:33 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 20 17:49:44 <GordonS> um... because they say that it should work :)
Apr 20 17:50:04 <Stskeeps> ok, if you build against icd you normally want to make a network plugin
Apr 20 17:50:11 <MohammadAG> TypeError: _tmo_homepage() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given) <-- any ideas?
Apr 20 17:50:21 <GordonS> did you mean "why" to ICD or to OpenVG?
Apr 20 17:50:31 <MohammadAG> def _tmo_homepage(self):
Apr 20 17:50:32 <MohammadAG> 	os.popen('dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest="com.nokia.osso_browser" --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser/request com.nokia.osso_browser.load_url string:"http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44293"')
Apr 20 17:50:47 <Stskeeps> GordonS: icd
Apr 20 17:50:51 <GordonS> aha
Apr 20 17:51:02 <GordonS> well, I am willing to believe that I do not want it for a desktop build...
Apr 20 17:51:03 <frals> MohammadAG: how do you call it?
Apr 20 17:51:29 <MohammadAG> frals, through the gtk.menu_bar
Apr 20 17:51:44 <GordonS> I do/have done a fair bit of Qt/E work as well; should it come up again, where would I find its source?  I have only managed to find binaries so far.
Apr 20 17:51:48 <frals> MohammadAG: need to make the function take 2 arguments since i assume its connected to a signal
Apr 20 17:51:59 <frals> which also passes the widget which was activated
Apr 20 17:52:00 <MohammadAG> mind if I switch to PM?
Apr 20 17:52:02 <frals> sure
Apr 20 17:52:08 <frals> as in, go ahead
Apr 20 18:07:04 * microlith tries to re-init the music database, but is having no luck
Apr 20 18:07:22 <javispedro> tracker-processes -r
Apr 20 18:07:27 <microlith> did that
Apr 20 18:07:31 <microlith> oh wait
Apr 20 18:10:37 <TigerTael> I have a problem with Conversations. I just flashed PR1.1.1 and then the emmc and now Conversations doesn't have kinetic scrolling anymore. Only the traditional scroll bar.
Apr 20 18:10:57 <TigerTael> ideas?
Apr 20 18:11:29 <johnsq> Hi
Apr 20 18:12:15 <MohammadAG> hey johnsq
Apr 20 18:20:05 <mayfairman> Hi all, is anyone able to help me out with a problem I have with irreco for N900?
Apr 20 18:21:11 <MohammadAG> mayfairman, what's the problem?
Apr 20 18:21:34 <trumee> any idea when i do [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > af-sb-init.sh start, i get /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 2: qemu:: command not found
Apr 20 18:23:10 <RST38h> PR1.2!!!!!!
Apr 20 18:23:16 <opdf2> hmm did everyone get a charge adapter and cleaning cloth with their n900? I ordered from Dell small business and did not
Apr 20 18:23:25 <ToJa92> [opdf2]: I got it :)
Apr 20 18:23:48 <ToJa92> you cant use the charge adapter though, and I've never used the cleaning cloth
Apr 20 18:24:19 <opdf2> hmm, i guess my box didnt include those things
Apr 20 18:24:40 <florian> re
Apr 20 18:24:49 <RST38h> Hmm, does not work any more. I guess people no longer believe PR1.2 will ever arrive =)
Apr 20 18:26:05 <mayfairman> MohammadAG: I had it all working fine and dandy, but tried to download a duff SKYHD remote and all my remotes disappeared from the command chain window, and the remotes that did work no longered. Probably a bit impatiant, I removed and re-installed irreco, but it still had the old remote configs in the back end, so , perhaps incorrectly, I deleted the lircd,conf and hardware,conf from /etc/lircd/ and did a clean install of everything. However, the
Apr 20 18:26:06 <Scelt> RST38h: YEAH
Apr 20 18:26:48 <ToJa92> [RST38h]: I'm patiently waiting instead of listening to someone in a IRC-channel :P
Apr 20 18:27:19 <microlith> ok, -now- the tracker daemon is ticking
Apr 20 18:27:44 <MohammadAG> trumee, UI doesn't run in ARMEL
Apr 20 18:27:49 <valdyn> mayfairman: you got cut off
Apr 20 18:27:53 <trumee> MohammadAG: ah!
Apr 20 18:27:55 <frals> lol RST38h
Apr 20 18:28:17 <mayfairman> valdyn: what do you mean, my message gut trimmed?
Apr 20 18:28:28 <trumee> MohammadAG: i just built mythtv in scratchbox under ARMEL, guess there is no way to test whether it works.
Apr 20 18:28:28 <valdyn> mayfairman: yes, repeat after "However"
Apr 20 18:28:35 <MohammadAG> mayfairman, try removing /home/user/.irreco
Apr 20 18:28:37 <mayfairman> However, the new install does not now seem to be creating these files and im getting a 'cannot open socket' error. I am unable to start the service using /etc/init.d/lirc start as says LIRC is not configured.
Apr 20 18:28:57 <MohammadAG> trumee, build it under X86, test, then rebuild for ARMEL to rest on a device :)
Apr 20 18:29:06 <valdyn> mayfairman: i don't think maemo dpkg treats config file different than debian
Apr 20 18:29:32 <valdyn> mayfairman: so "/j #debian" and "/msg dpkg confmiss"
Apr 20 18:29:33 <mayfairman> shall I just chuck a vanilla version of the 2 conf files in there and see if it starts?
Apr 20 18:29:38 <trumee> MohammadAG: problem is that i had to build qt from source since maemo doesnt have qt3support libraries in qt-4.6.2
Apr 20 18:29:56 <valdyn> mayfairman: you could do that, but you may still want to chat with dpkg to understand this
Apr 20 18:30:18 <mayfairman> valdyn: OK thanks a lot :)
Apr 20 18:30:27 <MohammadAG> trumee, try to test them on the device itself
Apr 20 18:31:06 <trumee> MohammadAG: you mean copy the /opt/qt from scratchbox into the device?
Apr 20 18:31:24 <valdyn> about time someone did a "apt-get --restore-default-conf", i guess
Apr 20 18:31:26 <woglinde_> jo
Apr 20 18:31:29 <woglinde_> okay
Apr 20 18:31:34 <woglinde_> next round with kexec
Apr 20 18:31:42 <MohammadAG> trumee, make it into a .deb package, it would be easier to reverse the changes if something happens
Apr 20 18:31:45 <trumee> MohammadAG:  can i simply copy the built folders /opt/qt and /opt/mythtv to N900.
Apr 20 18:31:55 <MohammadAG> not really sure
Apr 20 18:32:16 <trumee> MohammadAG: hmm. dont know how to create deb packages :(
Apr 20 18:32:35 <MohammadAG> trumee, can you do a make install?
Apr 20 18:32:47 <woglinde_> trumee lol qt is already there
Apr 20 18:32:54 <trumee> MohammadAG: also there are loads of dependencies from extras-devel, will ruin my device.
Apr 20 18:33:11 <trumee> MohammadAG: yes i did a make install to get the binaries in /opt/qt
Apr 20 18:33:12 <MohammadAG> woglinde_, <trumee> MohammadAG: problem is that i had to build qt from source since maemo doesnt have qt3support libraries in qt-4.6.2
Apr 20 18:33:35 <woglinde_> mythtv need qt3support?
Apr 20 18:33:42 <woglinde_> what the fuck
Apr 20 18:33:43 <trumee> woglinde_: yes
Apr 20 18:33:49 <woglinde_> konvert it
Apr 20 18:33:51 <woglinde_> this suckz
Apr 20 18:34:28 <trumee> woglinde_: myth guys are gradually modifying it to remove qt3support but there are still places where it exists
Apr 20 18:34:50 <trumee> woglinde_: it might be easier for now to build qt3support for N900.
Apr 20 18:35:10 <woglinde_> hm besides this
Apr 20 18:35:22 <woglinde_> you should take a look at the debian packages of mythtv
Apr 20 18:35:29 <woglinde_> and adapted them
Apr 20 18:35:32 <woglinde_> with optify
Apr 20 18:35:36 * microlith wonders if the indexer can be any more arbitrary and random
Apr 20 18:35:37 <trumee> MohammadAG: i wonder why the dev left qt3support out of the binaries
Apr 20 18:35:56 <trumee> woglinde_: you mean install easy debian on the device?
Apr 20 18:36:04 <woglinde_> trumee because maemo didn't have support for qt3
Apr 20 18:36:07 <woglinde_> trumee no
Apr 20 18:36:24 <woglinde_> take the debian-packages and make them maemo5 conform
Apr 20 18:36:56 <trumee> woglinde_: i built qt-4.6.2 maemo in scratchbox and qt3support built ok.
Apr 20 18:37:02 <woglinde_> thas how I do it most the time
Apr 20 18:37:09 <woglinde_> thats besides the qt3support
Apr 20 18:38:11 <trumee> woglinde_: unfortunately, there are some dependencies for mythtv, i listed the .deb packages i had to install here http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=618129&postcount=61
Apr 20 18:38:34 <trumee> woglinde_: will i need to install these packages on N900 as well?
Apr 20 18:38:46 <woglinde_> hms my damn internet connection
Apr 20 18:39:53 <trumee> i am still not sure why devs left out qt3support, if it builds fine under armel, they should have made a package.
Apr 20 18:40:32 <trumee> maybe it was a space issue.
Apr 20 18:41:03 <woglinde_> tumee space
Apr 20 18:41:04 <RST38h> they explicitely did not want backward compatibility maybe?
Apr 20 18:41:05 <woglinde_> and as I said
Apr 20 18:41:13 <woglinde_> mo qt3 support on maemo
Apr 20 18:41:22 <woglinde_> it started with qt4
Apr 20 18:41:39 <woglinde_> and you didnt want run mythv on n8x0
Apr 20 18:41:52 <woglinde_> hms
Apr 20 18:42:03 <woglinde_> which watchdog do I need for n810 kernels
Apr 20 18:42:17 <RST38h> probably do not want to do it on n900 either
Apr 20 18:42:26 <RST38h> too slow...
Apr 20 18:43:24 <trumee> RST38h: SD content should be fine i guess?
Apr 20 18:43:59 <trumee> RST38h: knots2 works very well for mythtv recordings. But there is no live-tv support which i miss
Apr 20 18:44:04 <wizkoder> hy everybody
Apr 20 18:44:27 <wizkoder> How do I write a sms with the N900??? If I do not have the number as a contact?
Apr 20 18:44:34 <trumee> RST38h: maybe if the video stream was transcoded on the fly in mythtv that would work,
Apr 20 18:45:25 <wizkoder> found it. very well hidden ;-)
Apr 20 18:45:37 <slingr> lol
Apr 20 18:48:27 <RST38h> trumee: Sounds too complicated to me
Apr 20 18:49:00 <woglinde_> hm ah reading a thread about the watchdog now
Apr 20 18:51:21 <woglinde_> hms
Apr 20 18:51:23 <woglinde_> damn
Apr 20 18:51:30 <woglinde_> I have all the cbus stuff enabled
Apr 20 18:52:36 <otubo> Hello guys, do think that there's a way to get the GPS data from N900 (usb, bt, whatever) and share it with my PC (to use google earth, ie)?
Apr 20 18:52:58 <woglinde_> ~seen luke-jr
Apr 20 18:53:03 <infobot> luke-jr is currently on #maemo, last said: 'ShadowJK: automatic check is a bug :)'.
Apr 20 18:53:38 <Stskeeps> otubo: can probably hack something up in python with ease
Apr 20 18:53:50 <woglinde_> stskeeps yes with remote dbus probably
Apr 20 18:54:00 <woglinde_> using the same dbus interface as gpsd
Apr 20 18:54:31 <woglinde_> stskeeps are you familiar with the watchdogs on n8x0?
Apr 20 18:54:37 <Stskeeps> sortof
Apr 20 18:54:58 <otubo> Stskeeps, woglinde_ do you have any docs describing any of these methods? A kick off example or something?
Apr 20 18:55:00 <Stskeeps> omfg
Apr 20 18:55:06 <Stskeeps> just ran into the 'say no to a qt based maemo'
Apr 20 18:55:17 <woglinde_> stskeeps lol
Apr 20 18:55:29 <Stskeeps> otubo: look at pymaemo and look at location apis
Apr 20 18:55:32 <frals> ye i saw that one Stskeeps... some people...
Apr 20 18:55:38 <woglinde_> otubo hm the locationlib is described in the wiki
Apr 20 18:55:51 <woglinde_> for remote dbus you needs some googling
Apr 20 18:56:10 <Stskeeps> frals: i was wondering why my happiness had increased, realized i wasn't following tmo
Apr 20 18:56:13 <woglinde_> proably I just have to clea the flags
Apr 20 18:56:16 <woglinde_> lets try
Apr 20 18:56:16 <frals> Stskeeps: :D
Apr 20 18:56:40 * GAN900 notes his Facebook account seems to have been automagically reactivated.
Apr 20 18:57:16 <otubo> Stskeeps, woglinde_ all right, thank you guys. Any progress on my hacks I'll let you know here :)
Apr 20 18:57:35 <Stskeeps> otubo: you can maybe even make your n900 show up as a bluetooth GPS
Apr 20 18:58:40 <otubo> Stskeeps, that's an idea I've been thinking too.
Apr 20 18:58:47 <Stskeeps> i did that with my freerunner
Apr 20 18:58:49 <Stskeeps> fairly easy, too
Apr 20 18:59:40 <TigerTael> Argh! I cannot seem to fix this knietic scrolling problem in Coversations.
Apr 20 18:59:48 <TigerTael> *kinetic
Apr 20 19:00:07 <woglinde_> stskeep hm how?
Apr 20 19:00:27 <Stskeeps> woglinde_: http://www.handheldshell.com/software/bluetooth.php
Apr 20 19:00:33 <Stskeeps> can probably convert it to a n900 version fairly easy
Apr 20 19:00:57 <TigerTael> I need some serious help. For some reason my Conversations is using a traditional scroll bar instead of kinetic scrolling. :(
Apr 20 19:01:02 <woglinde_> ah right
Apr 20 19:01:02 * GAN900 wonders why mwkn got a thumb on Planet.
Apr 20 19:01:09 <woglinde_> with gpsd
Apr 20 19:01:35 <GAN900> TigerTael, were you messing around with the style?
Apr 20 19:01:41 <TigerTael> Nope.
Apr 20 19:01:51 <TigerTael> I actually flashed the 1.1.1 again and then flashed emmc...
Apr 20 19:02:00 <woglinde_> stskeeps seems the script is gone
Apr 20 19:02:06 <TigerTael> And now I've reflashed 1.1.1 again...
Apr 20 19:02:51 <TigerTael> Can anyone suggest anything? I don't really even mind flashing again, but... this bug is driving me nuts.
Apr 20 19:03:06 <woglinde_> bug?
Apr 20 19:03:28 <mece> TigerTael, what bug is it?
Apr 20 19:03:46 <TigerTael> Well, since my kinetic scrolling has somehow gone AWOL in Conversations, I don't know what else to call it.
Apr 20 19:03:51 <woglinde_> damn watchdog
Apr 20 19:05:06 <TigerTael> Ideas?
Apr 20 19:06:37 <TigerTael> How would I get my phone to a Vanilla/Virgin state?
Apr 20 19:06:54 <Stskeeps> flash it and flash emmc
Apr 20 19:07:02 <woglinde_> ~flasher
Apr 20 19:07:04 <infobot> hmm... flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher
Apr 20 19:07:50 <TigerTael> Stskeeps, that's what I did to cause this problem.
Apr 20 19:10:03 <TigerTael> Okay, well I'll try it again.
Apr 20 19:13:02 <wackl> heya Khertan
Apr 20 19:13:03 <TigerTael> If I flash the rootfs+emmc, is everything wiped off? (I.E, nothing left behind?)
Apr 20 19:13:29 <TigerTael> And, the corect procedure is to flash 1.1.1 first and then the emmc, right?
Apr 20 19:25:15 <dima202> I just noticed the default alarm is pretty bad, can't find any settings for it
Apr 20 19:25:28 <frals> wow, i completly missed that gizmodo outted the guys iphone 4g they got their hands on
Apr 20 19:26:25 <RST38h> someone is getting his ass seriously whipped at Apple...
Apr 20 19:26:27 <d14> jj ;) fail ;)
Apr 20 19:27:49 <ToJa92> I thought that phone don't look Apple at all, anyone agree?
Apr 20 19:27:58 <RST38h> it looks like a Zune.
Apr 20 19:28:05 <RST38h> maybe it even runs Win7!
Apr 20 19:28:27 <dima202> what phone?
Apr 20 19:28:48 <MohammadAG> osso_notes pisses me off
Apr 20 19:29:20 <ToJa92> [dima202]: This http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone
Apr 20 19:29:56 <MohammadAG> I think that's what's inside the iPad
Apr 20 19:31:02 <ToJa92> [MohammadAG]: Maybe it is, you got any pictures of a disassembled iPad?
Apr 20 19:31:27 <ToJa92> I'm too lazy to search lol
Apr 20 19:32:40 <MohammadAG> ToJa92, err lol
Apr 20 19:34:30 <ToJa92> Meh, nevermind, I guess time will tell
Apr 20 19:34:32 <ToJa92> ;)
Apr 20 19:38:28 <TigerTael> Okay, I'm happy to report that now the kinetic scrolling is back to normal.
Apr 20 19:38:32 <TigerTael> -phew-
Apr 20 19:41:50 <tim_> how do you change the colour of your text
Apr 20 19:41:57 <tim_> on xchat
Apr 20 19:43:00 <C-S-B-N900> you dont, its horrid.
Apr 20 19:43:16 <tim_> ??
Apr 20 19:43:45 <sECuRE> by chosing "Font" in the menu
Apr 20 19:43:52 <sECuRE> oh, in xchat
Apr 20 19:43:55 <sECuRE> i read xterm, nevermind
Apr 20 19:44:33 <tim_> anyone know how to do it im sick of looking at grey
Apr 20 19:46:12 <ToJa92> I was gonna check it... but then I remembered I switched to irssi
Apr 20 19:46:40 <C-S-B-N900> you can change colors under settings -> preferences
Apr 20 19:47:00 <C-S-B-N900> ToJa92: why irssi?
Apr 20 19:47:34 <ToJa92> [C-S-B-N900]: Dunno, lighter I guess. Never used any of xchat's features anyway. Plus it got black background and green text ;)
Apr 20 19:47:53 <sECuRE> for irssi, there is nickcolor.pl if you like some color
Apr 20 19:48:18 <ToJa92> well I just changed the colors in xterm and the normal text in irssi is now green
Apr 20 19:48:32 <SpeedEvil> xchat just works for me.
Apr 20 19:48:45 * C-S-B-N900 uses xchat
Apr 20 19:48:46 <SpeedEvil> Admittedly I'd like to slightly change some of the UI
Apr 20 19:48:58 <SpeedEvil> for example, shrink the inbox size a bit
Apr 20 19:49:01 <SpeedEvil> err
Apr 20 19:49:04 <SpeedEvil> entrybox
Apr 20 19:49:11 <MohammadAG> well you change it like this
Apr 20 19:49:21 <tim_> which one on xchat
Apr 20 19:49:28 <SpeedEvil> and make it so that tapping ont he rightside of the entry box does the hide/show
Apr 20 19:49:41 <MohammadAG> CTRL K, followed by a number (test it by pmming yourself)
Apr 20 19:49:59 <opdf2> i konw there's a batlevel widget, but is there a way to make the percentage show up i the status? such as in this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37912
Apr 20 19:50:54 <SpeedEvil> I'd love a status widget that would simply watch a png file on disk
Apr 20 19:51:03 <SpeedEvil> if it changes, show the new png
Apr 20 19:53:31 <luke-jr> woglinde_: ?
Apr 20 19:56:32 <lbt> do people get skype spam on their N900 ?
Apr 20 19:56:39 <mtnbkr> lbt: I do
Apr 20 19:56:54 <lbt> good enough :)
Apr 20 19:57:12 <tripzero> i do as well :|
Apr 20 19:57:16 <tripzero> spam blows
Apr 20 19:58:29 <opdf2> lbt:  yes i do
Apr 20 19:59:49 <mtnbkr> until I disabled my skype account on N900 :-/
Apr 20 20:00:17 <ToJa92> [lbt]: No, but I rarely use Skype anyway
Apr 20 20:00:20 <Kurppa_> You can disable the spamming from desktop version of skype.
Apr 20 20:00:59 <Kurppa_> Just select "Allow IMs from... peope in my Contact list only" in the options.
Apr 20 20:01:00 <tripzero> Kurppa_: meaning you can select not to receive non-"buddy" message?
Apr 20 20:01:01 <tripzero> good idea
Apr 20 20:01:09 <oscillik> yep, i never get spam on Skype. ever
Apr 20 20:01:11 <lbt> Kurppa_: yeah.
Apr 20 20:01:12 <tripzero> yay
Apr 20 20:01:16 <tripzero> will try
Apr 20 20:01:27 <Kurppa_> It affects the whole account, not just the desktop client.
Apr 20 20:02:31 <lbt> cc if affected : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9986
Apr 20 20:02:32 <povbot> Bug 9986: Very offensive skype spam
Apr 20 20:03:01 <lbt> will help to give them an idea of the size of the problem
Apr 20 20:03:37 <Kurppa_> Have you created similar bugs from e-mail spam as well?
Apr 20 20:04:00 <timeless_mbp> andre__: ping
Apr 20 20:04:03 * lcuk knocks on lbts front door and offers him a bridge
Apr 20 20:04:32 <lcuk> lbt often?
Apr 20 20:04:42 <lbt> 2-3 / month
Apr 20 20:04:50 <lbt> usually at 4:30 am ..... grrr
Apr 20 20:05:25 <sECuRE> don’t you set your phone silent at night? ;)
Apr 20 20:05:29 <sECuRE> (or turn it off…)
Apr 20 20:05:31 <lbt> actually I think it's mainly this one account - and of course I can't block it/report it
Apr 20 20:05:44 <lbt> sECuRE: nah, too forgetfull
Apr 20 20:06:46 <lbt> one day... http://wiki.maemo.org/Fcron
Apr 20 20:07:03 <hrw|gone>   mafw-gst-subtitles-renderer: Depends: gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-subtitles (= 0.10.25-0maemo7+0m5) but 0.10.25-0maemo14+0m5-1 is to be installed
Apr 20 20:08:53 <Kurppa_> "anacron Why not: anacron is used to schedule daily jobs, fcron can schedule to minutes." -- isn't that false?
Apr 20 20:09:08 <Kurppa_> Afaik anacron can schedule jobs to run for example every minute.
Apr 20 20:09:39 <lbt> anacron? no
Apr 20 20:09:53 <lbt> manpage : "Anacron  can be used to execute commands periodically, with a frequency specified in days"
Apr 20 20:10:12 <Kurppa_> Alright, maybe I'm just loopy.
Apr 20 20:10:15 <SpeedEvil> 1/1440 of a day is 1 min
Apr 20 20:12:15 <Kurppa_> Does anybody know which cron is in use in debian/ubuntu? At least that one can schedule jobs on a minute basis.
Apr 20 20:12:42 <C-S-B-N900> how are people finding chromiun n900?
Apr 20 20:13:04 <C-S-B-N900> and is it worthwhile installing the advanced kernel? is it stable?
Apr 20 20:13:44 <SpeedEvil> chromium is slow
Apr 20 20:13:46 <SpeedEvil> IME
Apr 20 20:14:34 <Kurppa_> fcron looks like a neat tool, better try it one day. Thanks for the tip.
Apr 20 20:14:58 <C-S-B-N900> cheers SpeedEvil, have you tried the advanced kernel?
Apr 20 20:15:44 * frals slaps lcuk with some bacon
Apr 20 20:15:59 <lcuk> ta frals i needed that
Apr 20 20:16:09 <frals> np had a feeling you did
Apr 20 20:16:20 <Arkenoi> chromium has *empty* default root CA repository
Apr 20 20:16:31 <Arkenoi> so you have to install all certificates manually
Apr 20 20:16:32 <timeless_mbp> empty is good
Apr 20 20:16:40 <timeless_mbp> you know your whole trust world :)
Apr 20 20:16:47 <Arkenoi> :-))
Apr 20 20:17:10 <frals> userproofing an application is well boring :(
Apr 20 20:17:32 <lcuk> i used to give liqbase to jake and luke
Apr 20 20:17:58 <lcuk> luke also even further back found bugs in other systems :)
Apr 20 20:18:03 <C-S-B-N900> i use chromium on my comp, wondered what it was like on my phone. :)
Apr 20 20:18:08 <lcuk> just watch how they use it and where they expect things
Apr 20 20:18:20 <frals> lcuk: no childs available here for labor im afraid! :<
Apr 20 20:19:25 <lcuk> lacking in the -ui assistance to i gather
Apr 20 20:19:33 <lcuk> wheres noob when you need him
Apr 20 20:19:43 <lcuk> there was a designer who sent him mockups for healthcheck
Apr 20 20:19:48 <frals> not much response in the -ui channel im afraid
Apr 20 20:19:53 <lcuk> wazd, have you installed fmms on your device yet?
Apr 20 20:19:53 <Macer> land of the lost is pretty funny
Apr 20 20:20:35 <Macer> any time after now i'm here for you
Apr 20 20:20:37 <Macer> hahahaha!
Apr 20 20:24:00 <Macer> holy shit that damn t-rex cracks me up
Apr 20 20:25:01 <FireStorm|> is wiki.maemo.org down?
Apr 20 20:25:24 <thresh> not from here
Apr 20 20:25:28 <FireStorm|> hmmm
Apr 20 20:25:30 * FireStorm| sulks
Apr 20 20:26:27 <FireStorm|> frals
Apr 20 20:26:29 <C-S-B-N900> I take it the psx emus are still unplayable.
Apr 20 20:26:38 <frals> yes?
Apr 20 20:33:28 <vblazquez> hi, the builder of fremantle has got cmake?
Apr 20 20:37:11 <wazd> lcuk: n800 can't send MMS
Apr 20 20:37:22 <wazd> lcuk: e63 don't need any software to send it
Apr 20 20:38:39 <Dr_Cain> hmm
Apr 20 20:38:48 <Dr_Cain> http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/20/resistive-htc-devices-can-have-pseudo-multitouch-too/ <- this is sort of intresting
Apr 20 20:38:48 <lcuk> ok dont worry, just wondering whether the ux for fmms could be looked at, but it really needs a device to test/feel it yourself
Apr 20 20:39:02 <Stskeeps> Dr_Cain: old trick
Apr 20 20:39:06 <Dr_Cain> yeah I know
Apr 20 20:39:13 <Dr_Cain> but it's still kind of cool
Apr 20 20:39:19 <Dr_Cain> I wonder how accurate it is though
Apr 20 20:39:29 <lcuk> Dr_Cain, yawn
Apr 20 20:39:34 <lcuk> i did that on 810
Apr 20 20:39:47 <Dr_Cain> how did it turn out?
Apr 20 20:41:41 <RST38h> moo wazd
Apr 20 20:42:11 <wazd> RST38h: heya
Apr 20 20:42:48 <wazd> lcuk: you know very well that I don't have the device, so why are you asking?
Apr 20 20:43:19 <Macer> seriously
Apr 20 20:43:22 <Macer> Carrier:	Information Temporarily Unavailable.
Apr 20 20:43:22 <Macer> Tracking Number:	Information Temporarily Unavailable.
Apr 20 20:43:37 <lcuk> i saw you saying you had a scratched one?
Apr 20 20:43:47 <Macer> someone at dell seriously needs to either lose their job or they need to see about not outsourcing their IT all the time
Apr 20 20:43:55 <RST38h> lcuk: He gets to fondle a scratched one!
Apr 20 20:44:12 <Macer> i have no idea when my n900 is going to show up because dell is screwed
Apr 20 20:44:22 <Dr_Cain> you ordered it from dell?
Apr 20 20:44:59 <trumee> guys i tried recording video of drnoksnes using load applet. but it did not capture the game video.
Apr 20 20:45:03 <lcuk> wazd i misunderstood what you said then, i was under the impression you got one
Apr 20 20:45:14 <Macer> Dr_Cain: yes
Apr 20 20:45:22 <trumee> any idea how can i caputre screencast
Apr 20 20:45:32 <lcuk> with a net?
Apr 20 20:45:38 <RST38h> of DrNokSNES? You can't
Apr 20 20:45:43 <wazd> lcuk: I was joking that I'll get scratched overclocked n900 somewhen in august or september, when nokia finally ship it to the developers in queue
Apr 20 20:45:46 <Macer> Dr_Cain: dell has all types of neat stuff you can buy that i never knew about :)
Apr 20 20:45:48 <RST38h> Not in full screen mode anyway
Apr 20 20:46:15 <Macer> like my nv240 video card with hdmi out that i use for my htpc that works AWESOME with high def :)
Apr 20 20:46:16 <RST38h> wazd: scratched from inside by the sharp shards of overclocked cpu
Apr 20 20:46:36 <Dr_Cain> hmm, intresting
Apr 20 20:46:43 <RST38h> wazd: we may talk to quim to arrange that you have mine, btw
Apr 20 20:46:53 <RST38h> wazd: this will also save me money on shipping it to .FI :))
Apr 20 20:47:15 <trumee> RST38h not sure if drnoksnes has a window mode
Apr 20 20:47:32 <wazd> RST38h: I thought you have developers device, not the amsterdam one
Apr 20 20:48:15 <thresh> wazd: i have scratched overclocked n900 :))
Apr 20 20:48:35 <wazd> and looks like Quim is only hot on talking bout keeping Amsterdam units for developers
Apr 20 20:48:48 <wazd> cause Vlad has e-mailed him twice with no answer
Apr 20 20:49:13 <lcuk> quim is still in america isnt he?
Apr 20 20:49:24 <lcuk> fighting the fire breathing ash dragon
Apr 20 20:49:39 <Macer> Dr_Cain: i don't mind ordering from dell as much as i do tigerdirect
Apr 20 20:49:47 <Macer> i think tigerdirect gets the barely passed qc stuff
Apr 20 20:50:06 <wazd> well, deadline is comming, so I guess he'd checked his inbox if he cared much
Apr 20 20:50:32 <lcuk> anyone know how to find my phone number programatically?
Apr 20 20:50:33 <Macer> i seriously want to see where my n900 is right now but dell's tracking information says it's temp unabailable :)
Apr 20 20:50:42 <trumee> xchat default colours not good on n900
Apr 20 20:50:51 <pupnik> infidel
Apr 20 20:52:07 <Khertan> lcuk> anyone know how to find my phone number programatically? <<< send a sms ... read the result
Apr 20 20:52:08 <Khertan> :)
Apr 20 20:52:32 <lcuk> not practical
Apr 20 20:52:32 <ShadowJK> I don't think it's generally possible
Apr 20 20:52:40 <Khertan> every isp as some echo sms service :)
Apr 20 20:52:42 <lcuk> bisnt there some #* command?
Apr 20 20:52:59 <ShadowJK> I guess that depends on the operator
Apr 20 20:53:04 <Khertan> lcuk, i know some for some isp but not the same for all
Apr 20 20:54:32 <Dr_Cain> Macer: usually takes some time for it to sync with the shipping service, just be patient :)
Apr 20 20:54:32 <Macer> Dr_Cain: then they shoul not change the status to "shipped"
Apr 20 20:54:32 <Macer> it should be "processing" :)
Apr 20 20:55:19 <thresh> is maemo-mapper broken for me only?
Apr 20 20:55:33 <thresh> maemo-mapper: Depends: libhildon1 (>= 2.2.10) but 2.2.3-1+0m5 is to be installed
Apr 20 20:56:04 <RST38h> same here
Apr 20 20:56:19 <thresh> mmh :(
Apr 20 20:56:28 * thresh blames nokia as usual
Apr 20 20:57:03 <RST38h> wazd: the developers unit is not sufficiently different
Apr 20 20:57:21 <javispedro> grab this one maemo-mapper: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/.fremantletest/maemo-mapper_3.0+beta4/results/
Apr 20 20:57:25 <thresh> RST38h: it doesnt have 'nokia' and 'n900' on it, so it is definitely better
Apr 20 20:57:29 <javispedro> I wonder why it wasn't imported.
Apr 20 20:57:38 <RST38h> thresh: has got "nokia"
Apr 20 20:57:48 <wazd> RST38h: no, I mean I thought you don't have to return it
Apr 20 20:58:00 <RST38h> wazd: I have to return it in september
Apr 20 20:58:05 <thresh> oh, I though ab's one didnt have anything
Apr 20 20:58:07 <thresh> thought
Apr 20 20:58:35 <Khertan> hum ... i think i should really discover where i put my contract
Apr 20 20:58:39 <florian> oops
Apr 20 20:58:39 <Khertan> for returning my device
Apr 20 20:58:43 <RST38h> shit, something broke my FAR
Apr 20 20:59:01 <RST38h> thresh: Me and ab both have the same F4 pre-prod unit, afaik
Apr 20 20:59:09 <RST38h> thresh: It has Nokia but not N900
Apr 20 20:59:13 <thresh> nice
Apr 20 20:59:17 <Appiah> I have a issue with the mediaplayer,  some flac files just gets "unkown album" and some dont
Apr 20 20:59:30 <RST38h> thresh: ALso keyboard feels a bit differently
Apr 20 20:59:47 <Appiah> I'm checking the files with metaflac and they both have Artist and Title defined
Apr 20 20:59:57 <Appiah> and album
Apr 20 21:00:12 <thresh> RST38h: and your pocket feels 700 EUR heavier
Apr 20 21:00:44 <RST38h> thresh: Not really :)
Apr 20 21:01:06 <Khertan> my preproduction unit doesn't seem to have differences with the final one
Apr 20 21:01:16 <RST38h> thresh: I have been stopped by Perekrestok security on Sunday btw
Apr 20 21:01:35 <RST38h> thresh: Wanted to know what exactly I was shoplifting =)
Apr 20 21:01:41 <Arkenoi> haha
Apr 20 21:01:58 <Arkenoi> did you just tell them to fuck off?
Apr 20 21:02:13 <RST38h> Arkenoi: No, I showed them, and then they fucked off.
Apr 20 21:02:18 <Appiah> Arggh
Apr 20 21:02:34 <Appiah> I found the answer, case-sensitive tag
Apr 20 21:02:37 <Appiah> title= vs TITLE=
Apr 20 21:02:48 * Arkenoi never shows anything
Apr 20 21:03:29 * RST38h never carries anything worth hiding
Apr 20 21:04:11 <Arkenoi> do you know that all they can do is to call police and they do not have any right to hold you until it arrives?
Apr 20 21:04:23 <RST38h> Arkenoi: Fine with me
Apr 20 21:04:30 <Arkenoi> so you just tell them to fuck off and they do
Apr 20 21:04:55 <RST38h> Arkenoi: Well, they also have job to do, and I am courteous, until fucked ith
Apr 20 21:04:58 <RST38h> with
Apr 20 21:05:10 <Arkenoi> ah
Apr 20 21:05:19 <wazd> can anybody show me panucci icon please?
Apr 20 21:05:36 <Arkenoi> well, if they are polite enough, i may behave differently.
Apr 20 21:06:06 <thresh> are there any 32Gb microSDHC cards btw?
Apr 20 21:06:13 <RST38h> there are
Apr 20 21:06:25 <RST38h> SanDisk just started selling them, but they are $200 and class2
Apr 20 21:06:38 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
Apr 20 21:06:42 <RST38h> So, I would suggest class6 16GB instead.
Apr 20 21:06:44 <thresh> duh, class2 sucks.
Apr 20 21:06:46 <thresh> indeed.
Apr 20 21:06:56 <thresh> i need class4 at least
Apr 20 21:06:57 <RST38h> $40-$50
Apr 20 21:07:26 <thresh> not that n900 will play 960p 8Mbit videos from my camera, but still
Apr 20 21:07:39 <Arkenoi> i doubt our reader is above class 4
Apr 20 21:07:54 <Arkenoi> did any of class 6 card owners benchmark?
Apr 20 21:07:56 <thresh> 8 mbit is class 1, IIRC
Apr 20 21:08:17 <RST38h> there are read and write speeds
Apr 20 21:08:25 <RST38h> have to consider both
Apr 20 21:09:47 <RST38h> and, btw, class is supposed to set minimal speed limits, not maximal
Apr 20 21:10:04 <ShadowJK> minimal speed limits in ideal conditions
Apr 20 21:10:16 <thresh> i seriously doubt they even provide minimal ones
Apr 20 21:10:31 <ShadowJK> eh?
Apr 20 21:10:45 <RST38h> thresh: they do
Apr 20 21:10:51 <RST38h> thresh: A moment
Apr 20 21:11:00 <thresh> I mean not every class4-marked chip will provide needed speeds.
Apr 20 21:11:16 <RST38h> thresh: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sdhc-memory-card,2143.html
Apr 20 21:11:22 <RST38h> thresh: enjoy
Apr 20 21:11:39 <Arkenoi> what is bottleneck for scp to n900? i hardly get more than 0.5Mb/s, but cpu utilization is relatively low
Apr 20 21:12:00 * ShadowJK gets over a megabyte/second
Apr 20 21:12:28 <Arkenoi> so something is wrong with my setup
Apr 20 21:12:58 <thresh> Arkenoi: I've got similar speeds.
Apr 20 21:13:12 <RST38h> file system performance + flash performance
Apr 20 21:13:16 <thresh> ssh is heavy anyway
Apr 20 21:13:19 <RST38h> reboot
Apr 20 21:13:21 <thresh> try direct rsync
Apr 20 21:13:23 <SpeedEvil> I get consistently 1.5M/s
Apr 20 21:13:25 <thresh> without -e ssh
Apr 20 21:13:27 <SpeedEvil> For ssh
Apr 20 21:14:23 <Arkenoi> i was told that microSD is faster than internal flash, is it true?
Apr 20 21:14:33 <SpeedEvil> Arkenoi: maybe for write
Apr 20 21:14:42 <SpeedEvil> read is practically the same speed for all three
Apr 20 21:14:48 <SpeedEvil> (large block read)
Apr 20 21:14:53 <SpeedEvil> a bit more than 10M/s
Apr 20 21:15:40 <Arkenoi> some people adivse moving swap to microSD card. it will die someday for sure, but they are relatively cheap
Apr 20 21:19:18 <ShadowJK> For swap use, random write speed is what matters most
Apr 20 21:19:22 <ShadowJK> and that tends to be pathetic
Apr 20 21:19:32 <ShadowJK> for *SD cards
Apr 20 21:24:21 <SpeedEvil> I'm not sure pathetic is a strong enough term.
Apr 20 21:24:43 <SpeedEvil> Also - for swap use - with the current broken-for-flash swap algorigtm.
Apr 20 21:24:58 <SpeedEvil> for one that understood flash, and simply wrote in a linear stream, it's quite OK.
Apr 20 21:25:49 <javispedro> it is written in blocks of 8*PAGE_SIZE
Apr 20 21:26:11 <ShadowJK> I remember thinking about this in the past
Apr 20 21:26:24 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: ?
Apr 20 21:26:27 <ShadowJK> iirc there was a significant but tolerable memory overhead for optimizing swap for flash
Apr 20 21:27:07 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: you really want to only write contiguously - or worst-case - blocks of ~128K or more. Anything else has horrible rewrite penalties
Apr 20 21:27:26 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: as the underlying memory is copied and rewriutten after erase
Apr 20 21:28:22 <ShadowJK> javispedro, nokia's kernel writes it in bigger chunks than that
Apr 20 21:28:24 <javispedro> ah no, I got that wrong: it is READ in blocks of 8*PAGE_SIZE
Apr 20 21:28:37 <ShadowJK> But that only applies to initial swapout anyway
Apr 20 21:28:51 <ShadowJK> after stuff has been written to swap once it stays in the same place
Apr 20 21:30:39 <Macer> ugh... cmon dell! damn! :) i don't even know what carrier they are sending it
Apr 20 21:31:09 <ToOnche> ?
Apr 20 21:31:22 <Macer> i want my n900!!!! ahhh!!!!
Apr 20 21:31:25 <Macer> heh
Apr 20 21:32:54 * Arkenoi got my n900 delivered in 3 hours
Apr 20 21:33:11 <Macer> Arkenoi: wtf? :)
Apr 20 21:33:17 <Macer> did it come on horseback?
Apr 20 21:33:48 <Arkenoi> a pretty girl brought it
Apr 20 21:34:16 <Arkenoi> i paid her cash and that was all
Apr 20 21:34:29 <Macer> was it marina harisson?
Apr 20 21:35:22 <Arkenoi> nope, just some nameless delivery girl. but pretty one. well, not really nameless, but i forgot her name.
Apr 20 21:35:42 <Macer> it must have been marina
Apr 20 21:36:20 <ShadowJK> Who are you, the president of her fanclub?
Apr 20 21:36:37 <Macer> :)
Apr 20 21:37:24 * ShadowJK destroyed some nokia headset to harvest a magnet to make microsd work with mugen battery
Apr 20 21:37:31 <Macer> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B002OB49SW/sr=8-1/qid=1271799249/ref=dp_otherviews_z_0?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&img=0&qid=1271799249&sr=8-1
Apr 20 21:37:34 <Macer> marina is hawt
Apr 20 21:38:59 <Disconnect> ok so tomorrow i'm supposed to be a "twitter correspondent" for a live event. any recommended twitter clients? ideally able to follow a hashtag feed, replies and a quick/simple posting interface. (for pics/vids i can use pixelpipe, and qik for live streaming)
Apr 20 21:39:47 <Disconnect> Macer: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=marina+harisson
Apr 20 21:39:51 * Arkenoi wonders if someone will ever hack iPad to run Mer. get rid of apple anal occupation and it is a nice thing
Apr 20 21:40:00 <Disconnect> wow that makeup did wonders for her ;)
Apr 20 21:41:11 <Disconnect> Arkenoi: looks like android is going there first. (well, 'first' being 'after he got debian running in a chroot' i guess). there's a thread on the android lists, evidently its halfway functional. lock screen and desktop. (no idea about wifi/cell/...)
Apr 20 21:41:45 * GAN900 needs MeeGo on his N1.
Apr 20 21:42:26 <blizzow> Is there any ETA for the next update to Maemo for N900s?
Apr 20 21:42:28 <Arkenoi> Disconnect, but i seriously doubt it will run *that* fast :-(
Apr 20 21:42:31 <Macer> Disconnect: it was Harisson
Apr 20 21:42:33 <pupnik> so when do we march on the bureaucrats who shut down air travel
Apr 20 21:42:43 <dima202> Is there a tutorial on how to use ESbox to compile?
Apr 20 21:42:46 <Disconnect> Macer: look at the url.
Apr 20 21:42:52 <Disconnect> er, the link.
Apr 20 21:43:08 <Macer> i am
Apr 20 21:43:10 <Disconnect> pupnik: go get started on that, i'll catch up
Apr 20 21:43:16 <Macer> it is a google search
Apr 20 21:43:18 <Macer> :)
Apr 20 21:43:24 <Disconnect> Macer: the actual text of the link. "&q=marina+harisson
Apr 20 21:43:32 <Macer> yeah it it brings up harrison :/
Apr 20 21:43:35 <Macer> some beauty queen
Apr 20 21:43:37 * Disconnect can't help it if google can't spell ;)
Apr 20 21:44:02 <PhonicUK> hey all
Apr 20 21:44:38 <pupnik> 23:43 <+kermit> apple in 2000 - "starting to regret all those things you said  about geeks?  well we've got gear you can operate that chicks  will think means you're a geek too."
Apr 20 21:45:31 <Macer> http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadgetmobile.com/media/2009/08/nokia-n900-press-1.jpg
Apr 20 21:45:47 <lcuk> marina is on pr1.2
Apr 20 21:49:13 <Macer> lcuk: haha
Apr 20 21:52:23 <Macer> why is edward such a whining bitch in the twilight saga?
Apr 20 21:54:48 * PhonicUK made a donation to freenode and feels happy about this ^_^
Apr 20 21:55:12 <frals> quick everyone hide noobmonk3y is here
Apr 20 21:55:31 <PhonicUK> i just realised
Apr 20 21:55:37 <PhonicUK> noobmonk3y must live *really* close to me
Apr 20 21:55:49 <noobmonk3y> lol PhonicUK  :P
Apr 20 21:55:56 <frals> i feel for you PhonicUK!
Apr 20 21:56:00 <noobmonk3y> i only stalk you occaisionally :P
Apr 20 21:56:04 <PhonicUK> lol :P
Apr 20 21:56:11 <PhonicUK> im judging by our IPs/hostnames ofc
Apr 20 21:56:19 <PhonicUK> i could be 100 miles or so out xD
Apr 20 21:56:32 <PhonicUK> I'm in Bristol, do you hail from anywhere near?
Apr 20 21:56:57 <PhonicUK> also as a fellow BT user, I feel your pain
Apr 20 21:57:08 <noobmonk3y> lol :P
Apr 20 21:57:09 <Macer> haha
Apr 20 21:57:14 <noobmonk3y> i'm near brighton :P
Apr 20 21:57:22 <noobmonk3y> BT Business thoug, so no idea where that pops out :P
Apr 20 21:57:27 <PhonicUK> ah
Apr 20 21:57:30 <noobmonk3y> though*
Apr 20 21:57:43 <PhonicUK> blimey you're most of the way across the country
Apr 20 21:57:44 * noobmonk3y prods frals 
Apr 20 21:57:51 <PhonicUK> i was out by about 400 miles xD
Apr 20 21:58:00 <noobmonk3y> lol only about 120, not too bad
Apr 20 21:58:08 <noobmonk3y> was only in bristol 2 weeks ago :P
Apr 20 21:58:17 <PhonicUK> im also really bad at judging distance xD
Apr 20 21:58:34 <noobmonk3y> hahaha
Apr 20 21:59:15 <PhonicUK> fancy a cider if you're around here again? always nice to meet fellow maemo enthusiasts
Apr 20 21:59:22 <PhonicUK> hey we should have a meetup of UK maemo users ^_^
Apr 20 21:59:58 <noobmonk3y> lol phonic, we did 2 weeks ago in exeter ;)
Apr 20 22:00:05 <PhonicUK> fuck why didn't i know about this :(
Apr 20 22:00:14 <PhonicUK> i was in exeter last week xD
Apr 20 22:00:26 <noobmonk3y> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48471
Apr 20 22:00:37 <noobmonk3y> videos somewhere in tehre too
Apr 20 22:00:38 <PhonicUK> serves me for not following the forums
Apr 20 22:00:49 <noobmonk3y> zail, who lives near bristol came down :P
Apr 20 22:00:55 <noobmonk3y> was also one in birmingham the week before
Apr 20 22:01:02 <noobmonk3y> lcuk,  was the hired entertainment ;)
Apr 20 22:01:07 <PhonicUK> i so would have come if i knew about it :\
Apr 20 22:01:30 <frals> i think you should all get over to stockholm and have a meet up
Apr 20 22:01:35 <noobmonk3y> :D - will be arranging one in london soon :P
Apr 20 22:01:39 <PhonicUK> ooooh
Apr 20 22:01:40 <frals> as theres about 2 of us here who got n900s
Apr 20 22:01:42 <noobmonk3y> frals, was there 2 years ago :(
Apr 20 22:01:46 <PhonicUK> london is easier for me to get to :)
Apr 20 22:01:47 <lcuk> we should meet in iceland
Apr 20 22:01:56 <noobmonk3y> lcuk, i'm up for that!
Apr 20 22:02:09 * PhonicUK doesn't have a passport :\
Apr 20 22:02:14 <lcuk> amazing country
Apr 20 22:02:17 <javispedro> summit in iceland!
Apr 20 22:02:23 <lcuk> you could do your photography noob
Apr 20 22:02:32 <N900evil> what do we throw down the crack of doom though?
Apr 20 22:02:37 <PhonicUK> btw noobmonk3y (and any other Brits)
Apr 20 22:02:38 <lcuk> i would find and potentially try to marry bjork
Apr 20 22:02:50 <PhonicUK> ive been working on a little project for the N900 which will make you all love me xD
Apr 20 22:02:52 <noobmonk3y> yeah lcuk  :D
Apr 20 22:03:12 <lcuk> PhonicUK, you sussed out how to get constant vibration and waterproofing working
Apr 20 22:03:15 * noobmonk3y shudders at the thought of lcuk/bjork babies roaming the world
Apr 20 22:03:25 <accumulator> hahaha
Apr 20 22:03:25 <PhonicUK> not yet, but that's on the agenda :P
Apr 20 22:03:28 <PhonicUK> a Spotify client that looks good and has offline support ^_^
Apr 20 22:03:37 * noobmonk3y has never used spotify :P
Apr 20 22:03:43 <PhonicUK> USE IT!!!
Apr 20 22:03:46 <PhonicUK> IT IS SIMPLY AWESOME!
Apr 20 22:03:48 <noobmonk3y> meh...
Apr 20 22:03:51 * javispedro had until they removed half of the discography
Apr 20 22:03:56 <noobmonk3y> i prefer lcuk's idea :)
Apr 20 22:04:00 <PhonicUK> I still use it on my N97
Apr 20 22:04:04 <lcuk> accumulator, i thought you were aSIMULAtor for a minute then
Apr 20 22:04:06 <PhonicUK> and i keep my N97 purely for spotify
Apr 20 22:04:12 * lcuk pokes adele to wake up
Apr 20 22:04:36 <PhonicUK> its funny because if you keep it in offline mode and never give it a network connection, you can keep using it after your sub expires xD
Apr 20 22:04:57 <pupnik> what is spotify for
Apr 20 22:05:11 <PhonicUK> its a on-demand streaming music service
Apr 20 22:05:21 <javispedro> with spooky voice ads
Apr 20 22:05:21 <lcuk> whos gonna be follower 150? http://twitter.com/lcuk
Apr 20 22:05:35 <PhonicUK> javispedro, not for us premium users ;)
Apr 20 22:05:46 <PhonicUK> tbh the only reason i got premium was for mobile/despotify use
Apr 20 22:06:12 <PhonicUK> lcuk, refresh
Apr 20 22:06:47 <lcuk> hurrah PhonicUK tis you, and Disconnect is 151
Apr 20 22:07:06 <PhonicUK> my twitter feed is depressing
Apr 20 22:07:08 <lcuk> now i only need several billion more and ill catch up with some other twittererererers
Apr 20 22:07:27 <PhonicUK> although my most recent posts are a bit odd...
Apr 20 22:07:30 <lcuk> i gave you your 148
Apr 20 22:07:32 <javispedro> make an army of twitbots
Apr 20 22:07:40 <PhonicUK> awesome
Apr 20 22:07:41 <frals> whos gonna be follower 150? http://twitter.com/frals
Apr 20 22:07:43 <lcuk> nahh i like seeing real friends :)
Apr 20 22:07:52 <lcuk> lol
Apr 20 22:07:57 <frals> :D
Apr 20 22:07:59 <PhonicUK> who's going to be follower 149 and 150? http://twitter.com/phonicuk
Apr 20 22:08:04 * noobmonk3y has hardly any followers, but does have frals as a stalker :D
Apr 20 22:08:18 <frals> i think you got that backwards noobmonk3y!
Apr 20 22:08:24 <Disconnect> who's gonna be follower 250 http://twitter.com/disconn3ct :)
Apr 20 22:08:34 <PhonicUK> not me :P
Apr 20 22:08:39 * noobmonk3y would never do anything backwards in the vacinity of frals..... you never know what may happen ;)
Apr 20 22:09:02 <PhonicUK> who is gregjroberts  ?
Apr 20 22:09:11 <frals> dunno some damn monkey
Apr 20 22:09:13 <PhonicUK> lol
Apr 20 22:09:14 <frals> noob as well i think
Apr 20 22:09:16 * lcuk somehow now feels like he needs to increase his twitter followers immensely
Apr 20 22:09:19 <noobmonk3y> bloody monkeys
Apr 20 22:09:25 <lcuk> perhaps i should actually make an app or something
Apr 20 22:09:29 <PhonicUK> lcuk, thats easy
Apr 20 22:09:40 <PhonicUK> just follow 10000s of people, and unfollow anyone who doesn't follow in return
Apr 20 22:09:53 <noobmonk3y> lcuk,  an app? - you dont actually need to release one, just copy frals, pretend you are and produce pretty screenshots ;)
Apr 20 22:09:59 <frals> lol
Apr 20 22:10:06 <frals> that was pretty funny actually
Apr 20 22:10:07 * Disconnect has legit followers. mostly from android stuff tho.
Apr 20 22:10:09 * PhonicUK loves qt-creator
Apr 20 22:10:09 <lcuk> and make sure i give them proper version names
Apr 20 22:10:15 <frals> like my first proof of concept with a gui
Apr 20 22:10:18 <lcuk> 0.9 the floppy fest
Apr 20 22:10:19 <noobmonk3y> :D :D
Apr 20 22:10:25 <frals> and someone goes "wtf that doesnt prove anything"
Apr 20 22:10:29 <noobmonk3y> they are cool names :P
Apr 20 22:10:38 <PhonicUK> i had an awesome idea for a feature of a programming language
Apr 20 22:10:39 * lcuk likes naming conventions like that
Apr 20 22:10:41 <PhonicUK> but no way to add it xD
Apr 20 22:10:47 <lcuk> i like to make release numbers that have meaning
Apr 20 22:10:54 <frals> lcuk: i hope your not hating on my versioning scheme!
Apr 20 22:11:00 <PhonicUK> to go with try, catch, finally - "retry" and "alsotry"
Apr 20 22:11:01 <lcuk> i think i have 0.1.2  and 0.3.45 type things
Apr 20 22:11:11 <PhonicUK> to use the same catch code for multiple 'tries'
Apr 20 22:11:12 <Disconnect> lcuk: v1.2 the probably-doesn't-format-your-sd-card release?
Apr 20 22:11:14 <frals> im just bumping them randomly ;D
Apr 20 22:11:30 <lcuk> heh
Apr 20 22:12:08 <lcuk> i still have blockers in liqbase that i should tend to
Apr 20 22:12:22 <lcuk> now i seem like a ninja at optification
Apr 20 22:12:28 <lcuk> i should optify liqbase too ;)
Apr 20 22:12:54 * Disconnect was hacking on swsuspend before journalling filesystems were common. now there's some versions :) "01.11 we promise not to overwrite the superblock with resume data this time" :)
Apr 20 22:14:01 <PhonicUK> ex.TargetSite.DeclaringType.Name
Apr 20 22:14:05 <PhonicUK> eeh, wrong window :\
Apr 20 22:16:04 <blizzow> when is PR1.2 due out?
Apr 20 22:17:20 <lcuk> blizzow, the pr1.2 robot has a rule which says pr1.2 can only be released if no1 in the channel or on tmo mentions it for 2 hours
Apr 20 22:17:22 <Disconnect> blizzow: i got a pm with a link yesterday
Apr 20 22:18:26 <blizzow> hmmm so I assume that means it's close?
Apr 20 22:18:58 <lcuk> blizzow, why does it mean that
Apr 20 22:19:01 <frals> when will the volcano stop spitting ash all over europe?
Apr 20 22:19:15 <PhonicUK> frals, only when a human sacrifice is made!
Apr 20 22:19:18 <javispedro> pr1.2 can't come to europe because of all the ash
Apr 20 22:19:26 <pupnik> nicki lauda says flight ban based on untruth: "such ash has been over europe many times"  http://alles-schallundrauch.blogspot.com/2010/04/niki-lauda-uber-das-flugverbot.html
Apr 20 22:19:53 <blizzow> lcuk: if it's in the wild or being distributed outside official channels, I'll assume that means it's kind of close.
Apr 20 22:20:01 <lcuk> its taught everyone to read maps agaiN!
Apr 20 22:20:10 <PhonicUK> Europe is about to asplode and they don't want everyone trying to fly out and overpopulat the rest of the world which would otherwise be unaffected </crazyconspiracy>
Apr 20 22:23:27 <lcuk> why didnt you say that then blizzow, where can i get it from?
Apr 20 22:25:51 <PhonicUK> hmm,
Apr 20 22:26:06 <PhonicUK> Do I want to go Tri-SLi, or get a new 4xx series card...
Apr 20 22:27:19 <frals> 5970 in crossfire
Apr 20 22:27:27 <PhonicUK> nForce motherboard :P
Apr 20 22:27:38 <PhonicUK> also, nVidia 3D Vision
Apr 20 22:27:51 <PhonicUK> also, PhysX
Apr 20 22:28:04 <PhonicUK> i wonder what the response time of the N900s screen is...
Apr 20 22:28:57 <PhonicUK> 3D vision on an N900 would be mad
Apr 20 22:29:05 <PhonicUK> i wonder if its built in IR could directly drive the glasses...
Apr 20 22:29:14 <lcuk> wrong direction
Apr 20 22:29:26 <PhonicUK> IR bounces
Apr 20 22:29:47 <PhonicUK> direction aside, i wonder if its possible
Apr 20 22:29:47 <lcuk> not reproducably
Apr 20 22:30:28 <PhonicUK> hmmm
Apr 20 22:30:45 * PhonicUK has a idea
Apr 20 22:31:03 <lcuk> just put a piece of cardboard between nose and middle of screen
Apr 20 22:31:08 <lcuk> then draw 400*480 on one half
Apr 20 22:31:13 <lcuk> and 400*480 on the other
Apr 20 22:31:41 <lcuk> it should give mean time before headache somewhere in the fractions of a second, but will look fantastic!
Apr 20 22:32:06 <PhonicUK> if i do cat /dev/lirc0 i should see any data set to the IR port?
Apr 20 22:32:13 <jacekowski> no
Apr 20 22:32:16 <jacekowski> that's one way port
Apr 20 22:32:20 <jacekowski> it can only send
Apr 20 22:32:24 <PhonicUK> crap
Apr 20 22:32:41 <jacekowski> but drivin these glasses seems to be good idea
Apr 20 22:32:48 <jacekowski> that would be posh
Apr 20 22:32:52 <PhonicUK> indeed
Apr 20 22:32:54 <lcuk> "i'd have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for you pesky kids"
Apr 20 22:32:58 <jacekowski> watching 3d movies on phone
Apr 20 22:32:59 <PhonicUK> if the screen can refresh at 100fps that is
Apr 20 22:33:08 <jacekowski> you don't need 100fps
Apr 20 22:33:11 <jacekowski> just 50
Apr 20 22:33:19 <jacekowski> 2x25
Apr 20 22:33:20 <PhonicUK> yeah but you'll get a terrible flicker
Apr 20 22:33:25 <jacekowski> no
Apr 20 22:33:27 <jacekowski> it's LCD
Apr 20 22:33:34 <jacekowski> LCD doesn't flicker like CRTs
Apr 20 22:33:37 <PhonicUK> the glasses will cause the flicker
Apr 20 22:33:55 <jacekowski> mhm
Apr 20 22:33:57 <jacekowski> right
Apr 20 22:33:58 <PhonicUK> at < 100hz you can actually see the shutters turning on and off
Apr 20 22:34:01 <jacekowski> i forgot about that
Apr 20 22:34:15 <PhonicUK> 70hz is pretty much the minimum tollerable
Apr 20 22:34:17 * Disconnect has an old set of ir-driven eliza glasses. they were a neat experiment.
Apr 20 22:34:25 <jacekowski> 100hz with very good LCD is a problem
Apr 20 22:34:29 <PhonicUK> yeah
Apr 20 22:34:37 <Disconnect> and yah, they pretty well insisted on 75-100hz minimum (on crt)
Apr 20 22:34:39 <PhonicUK> 70hz would suffice though
Apr 20 22:34:45 <jacekowski> from the other side
Apr 20 22:34:59 <jacekowski> N900 has very good LCD
Apr 20 22:35:19 <PhonicUK> does anyone have IR reciving equipment and 3D glasses to hand? xD
Apr 20 22:35:28 <jacekowski> no
Apr 20 22:35:34 <jacekowski> i have equipment
Apr 20 22:35:36 <jacekowski> but no glasses
Apr 20 22:35:49 <Disconnect> PhonicUK: see above. i don't know what the coding is though, they required specific (nvidia iirc) cards, and the ir xmitter plugged into the card
Apr 20 22:36:07 <jacekowski> Disconnect: it has to be quite simple
Apr 20 22:36:12 <PhonicUK> the ir xmitter for these glasses is a standalone unit that plugs solely into USB
Apr 20 22:36:22 <lcuk> Disconnect, you may be correct, the sync from the ir came direct from the card in older models afaik
Apr 20 22:36:34 <PhonicUK> it was on the vrefresh from the VGA connector
Apr 20 22:36:36 <lcuk> ahhh PhonicUK
Apr 20 22:36:36 <Disconnect> yah it grabbed it off vsync or some such.
Apr 20 22:36:51 <PhonicUK> i used to have a set of eDimensional glasses
Apr 20 22:36:56 <PhonicUK> which used such a dongle
Apr 20 22:37:06 <PhonicUK> it also leeched power from the PS2 keyboard
Apr 20 22:37:19 <jacekowski> ÂŁ120 for glasses
Apr 20 22:37:37 <PhonicUK> Ł250 for glasses + monitor :)
Apr 20 22:37:37 <Disconnect> ok time to go take the jeep aaprt
Apr 20 22:37:39 <PhonicUK> which is what i got
Apr 20 22:37:43 <jacekowski> more than i would like to spend on something like that
Apr 20 22:37:53 <PhonicUK> can anyone recommend an IR reciever?
Apr 20 22:38:18 <Disconnect> (so I can plug the n900 in. cuz it may be neat, btu the fm transmitter is pretty sucky)
Apr 20 22:38:27 <jacekowski> tsop 1736
Apr 20 22:38:51 <jacekowski> + logic analyzer
Apr 20 22:38:52 <PhonicUK> something i can plug into USB and read from :P
Apr 20 22:39:30 <lcuk> PhonicUK, i used o have a great ir recv unit, it went inline with my keyboard, and when i shot special signals at it it would send keys
Apr 20 22:39:37 <lcuk> but i digress
Apr 20 22:39:40 <jacekowski> tsop 1736 + AVR with usb port
Apr 20 22:39:48 <PhonicUK> how much though
Apr 20 22:39:53 <Disconnect> lcuk: prolly still get it in the gags-and-jokes section of thinkgeek :)
Apr 20 22:39:55 <lcuk> i dont know how to read raw data other than making an adapter to mic port
Apr 20 22:39:59 <lcuk> ive seen them around
Apr 20 22:40:12 <lcuk> just a mo
Apr 20 22:40:15 <PhonicUK> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18505438
Apr 20 22:40:20 <jacekowski> osciloscope and/or logic analyzer
Apr 20 22:41:22 <PhonicUK> jacekowski, http://www.mtbs3d.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-3211
Apr 20 22:41:25 <PhonicUK> someones already done it :D
Apr 20 22:41:46 <PhonicUK> so its just a matter of how to transmit that from the N900
Apr 20 22:42:11 <jacekowski> hmm
Apr 20 22:42:20 <jacekowski> 200Hz
Apr 20 22:42:42 <lcuk> Disconnect, http://www.funnychill.com/files/funny-pictures/with-and-without-flash.jpg
Apr 20 22:42:44 <lcuk> shit
Apr 20 22:42:49 <lcuk> errr i meant http://cyli.livejournal.com/33460.html
Apr 20 22:42:54 <PhonicUK> i suspect it would be easier to use the headphone jack adapter and make an audio file with that pattern
Apr 20 22:42:57 <frals> hmm
Apr 20 22:43:04 <frals> almost 01, time for bed me thinks
Apr 20 22:43:11 <jacekowski> not really
Apr 20 22:43:29 <jacekowski> too low voltage to drive ir diode
Apr 20 22:43:30 <frals> got a day tomorrow of doing assignment on semaphores and threading in some custom stripped down os \o/
Apr 20 22:43:37 <lcuk> frals, thats a good version number
Apr 20 22:43:38 <PhonicUK> ah
Apr 20 22:43:45 <lcuk> "1.0 time for bed me thinks"
Apr 20 22:43:49 <frals> lcuk: :D
Apr 20 22:43:58 <jacekowski> and it's not designed to output square wave
Apr 20 22:43:59 <noobmonk3y> anyone know how i can set all pushbuttons to one stylesheet code - instead of identifying and repeating?
Apr 20 22:44:13 <frals> lcuk: its settled then, fMMS 1.0 will be known as "time for bed me thinks"
Apr 20 22:44:13 <PhonicUK> what about the N900s internal IR?
Apr 20 22:44:22 <jacekowski> with so much DC bias
Apr 20 22:44:27 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, make a wrapper around newbutton() function
Apr 20 22:44:35 <lcuk> to call original button() then apply style
Apr 20 22:44:37 <noobmonk3y> :|
Apr 20 22:44:37 <jacekowski> yeah, use internal IR
Apr 20 22:44:44 <frals> noobmonk3y: loop over them and set it!
Apr 20 22:44:44 <wazd> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=619411&postcount=28 - I've updated some icons, if anyone interesting in feedback :)
Apr 20 22:44:47 <PhonicUK> how would i get those timings though?
Apr 20 22:44:48 <noobmonk3y> :|
Apr 20 22:45:08 <jacekowski> that's not hard
Apr 20 22:45:08 <noobmonk3y> sure there is an easier way in css - by setting Qpushbutton or similar
Apr 20 22:45:20 * lcuk does not know css
Apr 20 22:45:20 <noobmonk3y> instead of using name, but without setting the app
Apr 20 22:45:23 <PhonicUK> oh?
Apr 20 22:45:43 <frals> why are you using css btw?
Apr 20 22:45:55 <lcuk> checking the health of it
Apr 20 22:46:00 <frals> :D
Apr 20 22:46:07 <lcuk> of course!
Apr 20 22:46:13 <lcuk> why else does the mighty noob do anything
Apr 20 22:46:20 <frals> hell if i knew
Apr 20 22:46:25 <lcuk> heh
Apr 20 22:46:47 <jacekowski> hmmm
Apr 20 22:47:19 <lcuk> im goin anyway
Apr 20 22:47:24 <lcuk> have things to try
Apr 20 22:47:44 <jacekowski> you will have problem to sync ir signal with display
Apr 20 22:47:57 <PhonicUK> i think i know how to deal with that
Apr 20 22:48:15 <jacekowski> from the other side
Apr 20 22:48:15 <PhonicUK> its the how do i get the device to output that waveform that im not sure about
Apr 20 22:48:31 <jacekowski> you need to decode 50fps
Apr 20 22:49:28 <PhonicUK> jacekowski, the nVidia drivers keep in sync by effectively quad buffering
Apr 20 22:49:44 <PhonicUK> switching regardless at Xfps between the two primary buffers
Apr 20 22:50:02 <PhonicUK> and swapping the two pairs of buffers around whenever the screen is redrawn
Apr 20 22:50:49 <jacekowski> PhonicUK: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/i/irreco-backend-internal-lirc/irreco-backend-internal-lirc_0.1.3.tar.gz
Apr 20 22:51:20 <PhonicUK> apt-get install irreco-backend-internal-lirc
Apr 20 22:51:21 <jacekowski> but you will have to play around with pwm settings
Apr 20 22:51:24 <jacekowski> no
Apr 20 22:51:30 <jacekowski> download that file
Apr 20 22:51:31 <PhonicUK> i have extas-devel enabled
Apr 20 22:51:32 <jacekowski> and read it
Apr 20 22:51:32 <PhonicUK> ok
Apr 20 22:51:37 <jacekowski> that's source of it
Apr 20 22:51:43 <PhonicUK> righto
Apr 20 22:51:48 <PhonicUK> time for me to sleep all
Apr 20 22:51:50 <PhonicUK> see you later
Apr 20 22:51:57 <jacekowski> so you will know how to talk to ir thing
Apr 20 22:52:03 <PhonicUK> cool :) ty ^_^
Apr 20 22:52:24 <PhonicUK> later all
Apr 20 22:52:28 <PhonicUK> nn
Apr 20 22:53:03 <noobmonk3y> lcuk, for future info it is - Qapp.setStyleSheet("QPushButton {
Apr 20 22:53:13 <noobmonk3y> will set ALL pushbuttons to the style you set :P
Apr 20 22:53:31 <noobmonk3y> can mix and match so set all pushbuttons and combo's etc in that style
Apr 20 22:53:47 <lcuk> cool
Apr 20 22:54:08 <noobmonk3y> :D it even sets the system buttons (like progress bar buttons :D ) yay!
Apr 20 22:54:21 <lcuk> nice one
Apr 20 23:58:20 <Disconnect> lcuk: back. nice link but why not just use an ir receiver and irdatools?
Apr 21 00:02:10 <Disconnect> for first charge/discharge, do i want to let it run all the way down till it bails? need it to be vaguely well calibrated tomorrow and i can take whatever time after that to make it right. i just need to not have it die on me..
Apr 21 00:07:44 <SpeedEvil> Disconnect: there is no internal IR reciever
Apr 21 00:07:51 <SpeedEvil> well
Apr 21 00:08:01 <SpeedEvil> there is no internal suitable IR reciver
Apr 21 00:08:13 <loft306> so it sux?
Apr 21 00:08:36 <SpeedEvil> ?
Apr 21 00:09:07 <loft306> the ir on the n900?
Apr 21 00:09:09 <SpeedEvil> Tehre are many areas of the phone that could have done with another $.50 in parts
Apr 21 00:09:18 <loft306> heh
Apr 21 00:09:31 <lcuk> loft306, the remote control on tv has no ir recv - does that mean it sucks?
Apr 21 00:09:34 <SpeedEvil> However - this might add up to $20 on the cost, and $40 on the price
Apr 21 00:09:46 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: I think you mean transmitter
Apr 21 00:09:48 <loft306> so anyone  other than some of the dev phones loose there usb port?
Apr 21 00:09:57 <lcuk> the remote control can tx ok
Apr 21 00:09:59 <jd4200> I'm a bit confused as to the file structure on the n900. Within xterm my camera folder is called "DCIM" but from the filemanager its called "Camera"; there are also differences with other folder; any ideas how to change this?
Apr 21 00:10:00 <lcuk> it has no recv tho
Apr 21 00:10:36 <lcuk> its called DCIM because thats what the camera expects
Apr 21 00:10:41 <lcuk> but its got a human name
Apr 21 00:10:42 <Disconnect> SpeedEvil: i mean in general, not on the n900. the link was an issue with "don't know the code".. get the code with irda-tools on something that has an ir receiver
Apr 21 00:11:03 <javispedro> "There are many areas of the phone that could have done with another $.50 in parts"++ so true. unfortunately this is more and more common with consumer electronics everyday.
Apr 21 00:11:38 <loft306> yepyep
Apr 21 00:11:42 <SpeedEvil> ah
Apr 21 00:11:44 <jd4200> lcuk: Is there any way to change this, I like it organised my way. Same with the images folder its called ".images" but "Images" in a file manager...sorry just bugs me.
Apr 21 00:12:08 <lcuk> then look at translation files, afaik the name changes based on country
Apr 21 00:12:21 <lcuk> i dont know how viable such a statement would be ^
Apr 21 00:12:27 <lcuk> but you may be able to do something
Apr 21 00:12:31 <jd4200> thx
Apr 21 00:12:36 <javispedro> you'd have to look at hildon-fm package
Apr 21 00:12:41 <javispedro> it's open source, fortunately
Apr 21 00:12:55 * lcuk was thinking from a non code method
Apr 21 00:13:41 <javispedro> hm.. but names of "actual" folders are in the code iirc.
Apr 21 00:13:55 <javispedro> ofc names of the "virtual" folders are in .po/translation files
Apr 21 00:14:32 <javispedro> so, to change ".images" name -> edit hildon-fm source, to change "Images" -> edit translation
Apr 21 00:15:58 <lcuk> and have it break after next update to system
Apr 21 00:16:25 <javispedro> yes, so not easy
Apr 21 00:16:42 <crashanddie> yooo
Apr 21 00:17:00 <crashanddie> wassup guv?
Apr 21 00:17:22 <lcuk> nuffin im on way to bed - i had a late night last night and im not repeating tonight lol
Apr 21 00:17:32 <javispedro> heh, me too.
Apr 21 00:18:13 <javispedro> ah, battery running out -- see you.
Apr 21 00:51:58 <dotblank> hello
Apr 21 00:52:16 <dotblank> Can anyone help me optify a package I made
Apr 21 00:52:53 <dotblank> maemo-optify-deb creates lots of issues and doesn't properly optify it
Apr 21 01:05:02 <pupnik> dotblank: go back and take better notes?
Apr 21 01:05:31 <crashanddie_> pupnik: be helpful, go take your meds.
Apr 21 01:07:24 <crashanddie_> Microsoft looking at using ARM processors in their data centers
Apr 21 01:08:23 <crashanddie_> dotblank: can you qualify "creates lots of issues"
Apr 21 01:12:54 <dotblank> crashanddie_, It only optifies one file
Apr 21 01:13:12 <crashanddie_> what is the size of the other files?
Apr 21 01:13:36 <dotblank> not large
Apr 21 01:13:58 <dotblank> entire package is 715KB
Apr 21 01:14:26 <crashanddie_> then it probably doesn't require optification?
Apr 21 01:14:56 <crashanddie_> I'm not familiar with maemo-optify-deb, but I seem to recall arguments that only files of over 500kB ought to be optified
Apr 21 01:15:15 <dotblank> http://pastebin.com/vEhDteyx
Apr 21 01:15:33 <GAN900> crashanddie_, yo.
Apr 21 01:15:52 <crashanddie_> yo GAN900, wassup?
Apr 21 01:16:27 <GAN900> crashanddie_, depressed that I'm super jetlagged from a 3-hour time change.
Apr 21 01:16:37 <crashanddie_> GAN900: that's normal
Apr 21 01:16:51 <crashanddie_> GAN900: travelling east is always bad, as soon as it's 2 hours or more
Apr 21 01:17:18 <dotblank> I new to packaging and im trying to make sense of optifying. I know why it is needed. I suffer from the no rootfs space problem. I would just like to use this as kinda a learning exercise
Apr 21 01:17:31 <GAN900> Plus the Yankees fan behind me who kept moving phlegm around his respiratory system didn't help me sleep
Apr 21 01:17:39 <crashanddie_> GAN900: most people can travel halfway across the world (literaly) west and keep working as normal, but travel 6 hours east and you're lost.
Apr 21 01:17:58 <GAN900> Thank god for those crappy Bose noise cancelling headphones
Apr 21 01:18:03 <crashanddie_> haha
Apr 21 01:18:53 <crashanddie_> GAN900: heard about Microsoft looking into ARM servers?
Apr 21 01:19:38 <crashanddie_> dotblank: how big is /opt/maemo/usr/share?
Apr 21 01:19:42 <crashanddie_> dotblank: du -sh /opt/maemo/usr/share
Apr 21 01:20:05 <GAN900> crashanddie_, orly?
Apr 21 01:20:33 <dotblank> 60K	/opt/maemo/usr/share
Apr 21 01:21:21 <crashanddie_> dotblank: weird
Apr 21 01:21:25 <dotblank> yea I know
Apr 21 01:21:40 <dotblank> let my try changing the path in the makefile and rebuildit
Apr 21 01:22:14 <dotblank> I looked at the source to maemo optify and it seems to exclude optifying certain directories
Apr 21 01:22:27 <dotblank> and it is inclusive as well
Apr 21 01:23:57 <dotblank> the problem is that when I optify it the default config directories get changed and are different from the build time location
Apr 21 01:52:21 <izzox> hello all
Apr 21 01:53:53 <izzox> i just wonder if the n900's stylus fit in the slot of the n810's
Apr 21 01:58:05 <Mcknight> join #emacs
Apr 21 01:59:06 <izzox> anyone tu help me?
Apr 21 02:30:02 <luke-jr> did izzox seriously just PM everyone in the channel?
Apr 21 02:30:57 <tank-man> youre the special one.
Apr 21 02:31:26 <crashanddie> luke-jr: what did he say?
Apr 21 02:32:03 <izzox> just wondering wether the n900's stylus fit the n810's slot
Apr 21 02:32:37 <dmj726> I don't know, though you could try one of fake's stylii?
Apr 21 02:32:49 <crashanddie> stylii doesn't exist
Apr 21 02:33:00 <crashanddie> stylus
Apr 21 02:33:24 <crashanddie> plural styluses
Apr 21 02:33:39 <dmj726> stylii is a valid plural form I think.
Apr 21 02:33:48 <crashanddie> no, it isn't
Apr 21 02:34:48 <crashanddie> in latin, the plural would be styli
Apr 21 02:35:16 <crashanddie> plural nominative, second declension
Apr 21 02:35:45 <crashanddie> but considering that you're speaking english, and that the plural of stylus, in english, is styluses, just use the damned word and stop pretending you're smarter than are, which obviously, you're not.
Apr 21 02:35:58 <dmj726> looked it up...styluses is technically preferred, but stylii is often accepted these days.
Apr 21 02:36:23 <crashanddie> dude, stylii doesn't exist, whether it's in english or latin
Apr 21 02:36:45 <dmj726> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stylus
Apr 21 02:36:59 <crashanddie> god you're thick
Apr 21 02:37:07 <crashanddie> even wikipedia shows it's with A SINGLE i
Apr 21 02:37:13 <dmj726> No need to be a grammar nazi.
Apr 21 02:37:14 <crashanddie> which makes a world of difference
Apr 21 02:37:19 <crashanddie> styli != stylii
Apr 21 02:37:38 <dmj726> 'The form "styli" or even "stylii" has become acceptable, even among major American manufacturers of styluses and online dictionaries'
Apr 21 02:37:38 <crashanddie> just don't use words you think make you appear smarter, and I won't have to
Apr 21 02:37:57 <dmj726> Who said I thought it made me appear smarter.
Apr 21 02:38:50 <dmj726> I used the form that I thought was correct, and looked it up and found that it's considered acceptable, but the form you suggested is better.
Apr 21 02:38:58 <crashanddie> dmj726: that whole paragraph finished with [citation needed], and the last sentence reads: "Use of "stylii" is considered incorrect, as it is based on the nonexistent Latin word "stylius"."
Apr 21 02:39:27 <dmj726> Then why does the sentence above it say that it is "acceptable"?
Apr 21 02:39:37 <crashanddie> because it's wikipedia?
Apr 21 02:39:44 <crashanddie> and everyone adds whatever they need to win an argument?
Apr 21 02:40:32 <dmj726> At any rate, there's not much need to harp on it.
Apr 21 02:40:52 <crashanddie> http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3Dstilus
Apr 21 02:40:58 <crashanddie> now there's a real resource ;)
Apr 21 02:48:08 <Disconnect> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stylus
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