**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 24 02:59:56 2010 Apr 24 03:00:39 is possible Apr 24 03:02:41 hm Apr 24 03:02:43 i have a problem Apr 24 03:02:49 is there a way to delete specific jabber fields ? Apr 24 03:03:12 instead of the entire jabber contact info? Apr 24 03:03:32 they don't let you delete individual fields like jabber call Apr 24 03:04:15 or better yet.. is there a way to make a contact icon on the desktop go straight to an IM instead of showing the contact? :) Apr 24 03:11:05 cable usb, take red color and weld a diode 1N4007 or 1N4148 where there is not the circle, at this point weld on the center the diode Apr 24 03:12:34 on the connector 2,00 mm Apr 24 03:12:53 and the black on the external pin Apr 24 03:13:20 5 volt - 1,2 Volt = 3,8 Volt Apr 24 03:18:09 and? Apr 24 03:18:35 charge end voltage is 4.2V Apr 24 03:18:55 liion is very sensitive to overcharging Apr 24 03:19:14 just found out about sleeppy patterna Apr 24 03:19:20 s/patterna/patterns/ Apr 24 03:19:20 ptl meant: just found out about sleeppy patterns Apr 24 03:19:21 but with 3.8V you wont get close to that .. while you need a current protection too Apr 24 03:19:25 this program seems very interesting Apr 24 03:37:28 there's no away status for jabber? :) Apr 24 03:37:35 only available... offline.. and busy Apr 24 03:37:37 that sucks Apr 24 04:17:21 \o/ sdk works Apr 24 05:25:33 hello Apr 24 05:25:57 quiet here today :) Apr 24 05:26:33 * ptl working out, can't talk Apr 24 05:26:58 not that i follow all the news around maemo yet ... but wondering: there is lots of talk about the "soon" (or not) comming out of meego? Apr 24 05:27:10 that this would be better than the current version and stuff ... Apr 24 05:27:18 whats the truth about that? :) Apr 24 05:27:38 Gh0sty: meego is another os... kinda Apr 24 05:27:40 ptl: so you said that through your neural interface (a usb plug in your head matrix style? :P ) Apr 24 05:28:02 more like another distribution... Apr 24 05:28:11 yes but from what I hear it's something intel and nokia created together and nokia will support it in the end? Apr 24 05:28:13 a merge between maemo and moblin... Apr 24 05:28:22 and i am not sure if it will be better then maemo Apr 24 05:28:24 yes i understood that already Apr 24 05:28:35 moblin sucked :D Apr 24 05:28:37 oh really? :o Apr 24 05:28:44 hmm ok then i was mal informed Apr 24 05:28:56 but was just wondering from a developer point of view: Apr 24 05:28:57 it looked nice and had some nice ideas and features but most stuff was broken Apr 24 05:29:09 Gh0sty: no, I've got a few seconds to rest between repetitions, so I check IRC Apr 24 05:29:13 is it worth it to start hacking / creating new stuff for the current version of maemo? Apr 24 05:29:15 wifi didnt even work and it had a strange ui concept Apr 24 05:29:19 but it looked nice Apr 24 05:29:19 :D Apr 24 05:29:20 or do i wait for meego? Apr 24 05:29:24 Gh0sty: I've setup a small gym in my house Apr 24 05:29:43 * ptl will wait for PR1.2, then install Meego Apr 24 05:29:43 ptl: hehe i'm not so much of a sports guy but i'd like to start some more sports Apr 24 05:29:58 now do swim once a week (or at least i commited to that sorta) Apr 24 05:29:59 Gh0sty: imho yes... maemo is really great and afaik nokia does not "support" meego on the n900 (but you can install it anyways if you like) Apr 24 05:30:28 oh and are there new versions of maemo coming out any time soon? Apr 24 05:30:34 afaik yes Apr 24 05:30:42 but only minor upgrades Apr 24 05:30:45 maemo6 = meego Apr 24 05:31:32 Gh0sty: doing an exercise once a week is not healthy, it overloads your heart. A healthy routine should include exercise at least 3 times a week and no more than six times a week. Apr 24 05:31:53 hmmm, overloads it not a good word. :P Apr 24 05:32:03 it forces your heart. Apr 24 05:32:47 yes yes i understand Apr 24 05:33:00 ptl: trying ... but currently i have too much of a work schedule Apr 24 05:33:13 which is soon going to change since i'm about to quit jobs Apr 24 05:33:25 after 2,5 year putting heart and soul in the company Apr 24 05:33:45 Hmm! :-/ Apr 24 05:34:00 i get a review ... job very well done, a pat on the back ... but we do not have anything for you ... Apr 24 05:34:03 Hope the wage is better then. Apr 24 05:34:26 well already got a call from a recruiter yesterday that i'm highly wanted for a new opportunity :) Apr 24 05:34:39 and i don't care so much about the wage Apr 24 05:34:57 it's just that i put heart and soul in it ... and do not get any respect or appreciation back Apr 24 05:35:23 I asked for some simple stupid things beside a small augmentation of my wage Apr 24 05:35:39 morn Apr 24 05:35:45 which was actually more of a focus than the augmentation itself ... Apr 24 05:35:51 anybody know, is tear alive? Apr 24 05:35:53 and that got denied Apr 24 05:35:59 hello Stskeeps Apr 24 05:36:09 you are from europe then Stskeeps ? :) Apr 24 05:36:20 oh right ... ofcourse ... finland :P Apr 24 05:36:53 nop Apr 24 05:36:59 originally .dk, now .pl Apr 24 05:37:05 oh nice Apr 24 05:37:14 whats interesting to see at .pl? :) Apr 24 05:37:22 my parents go there this summer i believe :p Apr 24 05:37:35 never been though Apr 24 05:38:47 don't ask me, just moved here in september, but prices are fairly cheap and the women are beautiful Apr 24 05:38:50 :P Apr 24 05:39:01 :P Apr 24 05:39:09 i heard something about that too yeah :p Apr 24 05:39:17 dammit should go there :) Apr 24 05:39:49 had a nice contact with a girl but she has "problems in her life" right now so she does not want to date currently :( Apr 24 05:40:07 and i already lost part of my heart to her even though i never met her :/ Apr 24 05:40:13 i'm just too soft i guess :p Apr 24 05:40:20 heh Apr 24 05:40:58 i met a girl at my dorm who asked if i could help her with her computer, one thing let to another and we are now married Apr 24 05:41:01 :P Apr 24 05:41:19 :D Apr 24 05:41:21 (yes, geek dreams do come true) Apr 24 05:41:26 well the girl i was talking about ... Apr 24 05:41:29 works in IT :p Apr 24 05:41:54 ah, i could never date anyone who could criticize my code :P Apr 24 05:42:15 is a php developer, creative mind, knows a bit about linux, goes to girl geekdinners, likes to swim (also one of my hobbys) Apr 24 05:42:29 a girl to my heart :P Apr 24 05:42:44 as said already lost part of my heart to her and I don't even know her irl :p Apr 24 05:43:05 ah, how young and naive people can be :P Apr 24 05:43:07 * Stskeeps goes get coffee Apr 24 05:43:12 just some chatter on facebook and stuff ... its also completely random that I got into contact with her :p Apr 24 05:44:16 its vaguely a colleague from a friend ... and he posted some random chatter (which was about her from me) to her mail ... :P Apr 24 05:44:26 Stskeeps: So, whaddayathink? Male? 40+? Beer belly and that nasty glittering look in the eyes these guys always seem to have? Apr 24 05:44:57 Probably masturbates while chatting to Gh0sty, too... Apr 24 05:45:09 nah :P Apr 24 05:45:36 got pics from her (from that friend and also what i can see on facebook) Apr 24 05:45:55 <3 google image search Apr 24 05:45:55 RST38h: nah, just that what you think is not what you always eget Apr 24 05:45:55 :D Apr 24 05:45:57 get Apr 24 05:46:04 Oh, I also look just like Sandra Bullock on my pics =) Apr 24 05:46:12 lol RST38h :P Apr 24 05:48:02 * RST38h idly notices that it is a shame having to find out about new Maemo5 software by checking http://maemo.org/packages/repository/latest/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/all/ Apr 24 05:48:35 The /packages/ page is not even linked from anywhere a normal person would look Apr 24 05:49:51 cool Apr 24 05:49:58 there is so much i still need to find ... :/ Apr 24 05:50:05 feel like i'm behind ages :p Apr 24 05:50:16 since i only got the device a week or 2 now :) Apr 24 05:50:42 already installed half of the apps from the normal repos :P Apr 24 05:55:33 RST38h: I just found some package that way, sleeppy - sleep patterns for the N900, kinda like the iPhone Sleep Cycle app Apr 24 05:55:57 RST38h: maybe someone could add the /packages/ page to the wiki Apr 24 05:56:01 whats that? :/ Apr 24 05:56:12 (i do not have an iphone and never will) Apr 24 05:56:47 from my point of view its trading evil (windows mobile) for pure evil (mac stuff) Apr 24 05:58:39 I agree Apr 24 05:58:55 i haven't used this app yet Apr 24 05:59:03 but what does it do? :P Apr 24 05:59:06 but from what I understand it stays at your side when you sleep Apr 24 05:59:09 sing sleepy songs for you? :) Apr 24 05:59:17 and using the accelerometer it records when you shake the bed and such Apr 24 05:59:24 LOL Apr 24 05:59:28 so it records your 'sleep patterns', it means it records your movements Apr 24 05:59:34 putting a phone next to you ... while you are asleep Apr 24 05:59:34 when you are in deep sleep, you don't move Apr 24 05:59:44 and you set an alarm Apr 24 05:59:45 does not sound like ... good for your brain cells Apr 24 05:59:55 it waits for you to leave the deep sleep phase before sounding the alarm Apr 24 05:59:57 i stil believe in turning off the antenna during the night ... Apr 24 06:00:18 you get a pretty graphic and such Apr 24 06:00:39 there is a youtube demo where some stop-motion of someone sleeping is show alongside the graphics Apr 24 06:00:43 :) Apr 24 06:00:44 nice Apr 24 06:00:51 amazing what you can do with this thing :p Apr 24 06:00:54 I don't know if this is a feature of the app, but it doesn't seem to be Apr 24 06:00:56 yep Apr 24 06:01:05 but anyway i would like to see some other stuff fixed :( Apr 24 06:01:22 studying my own sleep cycles is no priority :P Apr 24 06:01:48 anyone here prepared to make me some software if i say ... pay you 20 eur? :p Apr 24 06:01:53 it's more of an alarm app Apr 24 06:02:11 (really really want some stuff ... :/ ) Apr 24 06:02:20 and since i'm not a developer ... :/ Apr 24 06:03:09 or if you ever would come to belgium also willing to pay in beers :P Apr 24 06:03:21 ofcourse i cannot advance those ;) Apr 24 06:05:37 ugh. i forgot my wall cahrger somewhere and the usb charger seems to take like forever to charge it Apr 24 06:06:11 Macer: if you plug it into usb did you select mass storage or so? Apr 24 06:06:20 from a friend i got the insider information: Apr 24 06:06:30 if you click next to the box it only charges at 100mA Apr 24 06:06:49 no. i just let it charge Apr 24 06:06:54 if you click on mass storage or the other thingy ... it charges at 500mA Apr 24 06:07:00 oh wtf :) Apr 24 06:07:05 well.. that explains a lot Apr 24 06:07:31 and i guess the regular charger in the wall is probably more ... *not sure about that though* Apr 24 06:07:32 logical, not Apr 24 06:07:41 Gh0sty: you know that the magnet field of the earth is MUCH stronger then any radiation from a mobile phone? :D Apr 24 06:07:53 summel: nevertheless Apr 24 06:07:59 from documentaries i've seen Apr 24 06:08:18 elektromagnetic waves are supposedly not too well for your brain and stuff Apr 24 06:08:22 i've seen documentaries in which all gay men are pedophiles... ;) Apr 24 06:08:25 and anyway Apr 24 06:08:34 who has to call me when i'm in my deep sleep? :P Apr 24 06:08:50 i just use it in a sane manner: Apr 24 06:08:53 :D Apr 24 06:08:56 at night it gets turned off Apr 24 06:09:02 the same with my wifi at home Apr 24 06:09:26 but i would also pay someone to write an app for me :) Apr 24 06:09:39 well the app i really want Apr 24 06:09:56 is something i have on my e65 already ... (well i would like a better version ofcourse!) Apr 24 06:09:59 oh... and are there instructions on how to make a theme? or can someony make a theme for me? i would also pay :D Apr 24 06:10:06 its location and time based profiles ... :P Apr 24 06:10:19 explanation: Apr 24 06:10:33 i once scouted the movie theater in our town Apr 24 06:10:42 all those cells are in my cellphone Apr 24 06:10:50 when i now arrive at the movie theater Apr 24 06:11:13 my e65 was switching automatically to "silent" (only vibrate, no sound) profile Apr 24 06:11:25 time based schedules: Apr 24 06:11:35 Gh0sty: there's a tool in works for that Apr 24 06:11:43 sheperd, i think Apr 24 06:12:19 at night around 22h people are sleeping at home ... my phone goes to really silent (only light up, no sound or vibrate) profile Apr 24 06:12:20 (sp) Apr 24 06:12:29 and what i would like ... is a combination of the 2: Apr 24 06:12:43 if i am at home and it's 22h ... it should go to really silent ... Apr 24 06:13:07 if i am not at home and it's 22h ... leave it to normal ... and put it to silent when i come home later that evening Apr 24 06:13:26 there is certainly a way to set the N900 for that Apr 24 06:13:48 as said: willing to pay even to get that fixed :p Apr 24 06:13:49 but I think you have to use some more deep customization. Maybe dbus-scripts and actman Apr 24 06:13:58 as far as I know, there's nothing friendly for that Apr 24 06:14:03 ptl: i am not a developer so can't do it myself :P Apr 24 06:14:04 just pieces you can use Apr 24 06:14:19 yeah, it's a big downside of the GNU/Linux world. Apr 24 06:14:22 already asked my friend if he does not want to fix me that :) Apr 24 06:14:31 some developers build just the basic pieces and expect you to do the rest Apr 24 06:14:33 and he's actually present at the momnet :p Apr 24 06:14:41 (but probably not yet awake) Apr 24 06:14:50 Gh0sty: how about you stop saying that you "want to pay for people fixing that", and how about you just post an offer? Apr 24 06:14:56 he's waiting a bit, considering to buy the phone also to develop on it ... :) Apr 24 06:15:08 crashanddie: he did say he'd pay EUR20 Apr 24 06:15:14 LMAO Apr 24 06:15:47 Gh0sty: the work involved to develop such a feature would be more around a full month salary (then again, depends on what your salary is) Apr 24 06:15:57 I happen to disagree Apr 24 06:16:05 if it's a full-fletched application, I'd agree Apr 24 06:16:16 but I think this work is more like setting up some scripts and such Apr 24 06:16:25 well, I don't know exactly what he's requesting Apr 24 06:16:26 the 'configuration' would not be easily changeable, tho Apr 24 06:16:27 i would pay 10€ for a nice wallpaper manager application :) Apr 24 06:16:33 i don't know what the work involved would be :p Apr 24 06:16:44 and 20€ for a custom theme ^^ Apr 24 06:16:53 but i'm sure other people would like the same app Apr 24 06:16:54 I'm writing a SMS/conversation analyser Apr 24 06:16:55 But it should be very easy and cheap because it is Linux and the Linux software is all free! Apr 24 06:17:01 maybe we can start a market ? :) Apr 24 06:17:07 bid on an idea ... :P Apr 24 06:17:08 Gh0sty: ovi store Apr 24 06:17:24 So, crashanddie, you should start working on his request immediately, if you want to earn those EUR20! Apr 24 06:17:30 post an idea, get some people to chip in small amounts, get a developer to do it ... Apr 24 06:17:50 Yes, idea is all that matters, right Apr 24 06:17:55 RST38h: it was just a suggestion ... :p Apr 24 06:18:07 Gh0sty: users submits idea for an app. next user pays 5€... next user pays 7€... overal amount paid: 28€ ... developer says: ok, i do that for 28€ :D Apr 24 06:18:36 Implementation is boring and better be done by "coders" who are not qualified to come with their own ideas. Apr 24 06:18:38 summel: well i dont think i'm the only one who would like an app like described above ... :) Apr 24 06:18:46 The app goes through your conversations, and tells you how many SMSs you send on average per day (amount of sms's and amount of messages), also gives you stats with regards to when you send the most texts/place most calls, and eventually, I'd like to aggregate price comparison websites so that the app can recommend the best deal for you per country. Apr 24 06:18:49 i guess so :) Apr 24 06:18:50 if i pay 20, another pays 10, another pays ... Apr 24 06:19:00 in the end we could maybe gather 200 - 300 eur lets say Apr 24 06:19:09 guys, you can't have people pay different amounts Apr 24 06:19:09 then maybe a dev could say ok lets do it ... :p Apr 24 06:19:14 because nobody would pay the first app Apr 24 06:19:53 This is an age-old economy chestnut: can customers retroactively get reductions? Apr 24 06:19:57 crashanddie: Nobody will pay, period. Apr 24 06:20:18 RST38h: actually, I think the appstore has proven the contrary Apr 24 06:20:25 what do you mean by nobody would pay the first app? :/ Apr 24 06:20:25 If you can get something for free, you will not pay. Apr 24 06:20:39 crashanddie: Actually, AppStore rather confirms what I have just said Apr 24 06:21:01 ok let me put it differently then ... Apr 24 06:21:09 everybody who wants the app pays 5 eur Apr 24 06:21:12 Gh0sty: if the first purchase is 10eur, and then the second and third purchase is 5eur, and then the next 5 purchases are 3eur each, etc Apr 24 06:21:12 crashanddie: Check how many developers actually make a living by publishing on AppStore Apr 24 06:21:18 people who first invest in it get it for free Apr 24 06:21:26 and it stays in the ovi store for 5 eur ... :) Apr 24 06:21:55 so even if the app is finished ... new guys still need to pay 5 eur Apr 24 06:22:05 i bought half of my symbian apps too ... Apr 24 06:22:07 RST38h: http://gamesfromwithin.com/making-a-living-barely-on-the-iphone-app-store Apr 24 06:22:13 Gh0sty: Ok. So, 100 people pay 5 euros each, which comes down to 500 euros. That is what a software engineer makes *per week*, in a developing country Apr 24 06:22:13 RST38h: that's hardly "nobody pays" Apr 24 06:22:19 for the couple of euro you pay adding some nice additional features ... Apr 24 06:22:22 Gh0sty: I am trying to find some app for you Apr 24 06:22:26 Gh0sty: try dwind Apr 24 06:22:39 where can i find that ptl ? :p Apr 24 06:22:59 Gh0sty: how much do you make yearly? Apr 24 06:23:03 RST38h: well i am hoping those developers also do it partially because they like it ... :) Apr 24 06:23:08 ptl, no more _wait_PR1.2 for your nick ? Apr 24 06:23:08 dwimd processes sensor inputs (like the GPS location or the phone orientation) and modifies the phone behaviour based on a user policy.% Apr 24 06:23:12 thats what foss is also about :p Apr 24 06:23:13 Gh0sty: extras-devel, of course Apr 24 06:23:26 crashanddie: this is for one application only, and even that is hardly stellar Apr 24 06:23:47 Chiku|dc: nokia's unwillingness to satisfy basic needs of their users has beaten me., Apr 24 06:23:56 Chiku|dc: it was 'demands' :P Apr 24 06:24:00 yes Apr 24 06:24:01 * Gh0sty agrees with ptl Apr 24 06:24:14 RST38h: I believe that for most apps the return on investment is sufficient Apr 24 06:24:17 ptl: not really what i want ... :p Apr 24 06:24:26 Gh0sty: What makes you think developers will implement your idea because they like it? Apr 24 06:24:33 Most developers have their own ideas Apr 24 06:24:40 ok so be it ... :p Apr 24 06:24:41 crashanddie: I do not believe that, sorry. Apr 24 06:24:58 crashanddie: And, believe it or not, I have been selling my apps for years now. Apr 24 06:25:01 Gh0sty: you should add extras-devel and extras-testing and try some searches to see if you can find a suitable application Apr 24 06:25:09 your opinion can differ from mine RST38h ... Apr 24 06:25:22 alot extra devel still block about PR1.2 dependency packages? Apr 24 06:25:29 but as i said for example i offered a friend developer some money to build me an app Apr 24 06:25:36 and he did not want it ... :P Apr 24 06:25:38 RST38h: well, if I could choose between making an app and selling it for a dime and some, I'd be happier than just putting the code on gitorious Apr 24 06:25:49 crashanddie: One thing you find out pretty soon is that $5-a-copy is the very bottom you can charge Apr 24 06:25:55 but he first gotta go buy a phone cause he wants one too (he played with mine half an hour) Apr 24 06:26:10 they should put up explicit warnings: Apr 24 06:26:21 crashanddie: well, making it free is of course a whole different deal Apr 24 06:26:35 ? Apr 24 06:26:38 what did i do? Apr 24 06:26:46 Gh0sty: you have been saying that for a bloody week, shut the fuck up. Apr 24 06:26:58 crashanddie: but as long as selling is concerned, those $1 apps at the AppStore are hardly making their authors anything at all Apr 24 06:27:03 a bloody week? only yesterday ... Apr 24 06:27:21 RST38h: well, they just need to sell a hundred times to pay the SDK back Apr 24 06:27:22 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=624772 PR1.2 for next week ? Apr 24 06:27:30 Gh0sty: You talk too much. And most of the stuff you say has been said here for at least a dozen times. Apr 24 06:27:39 crashanddie: that too Apr 24 06:27:54 RST38h: however, the SDK is worth the $100 imo Apr 24 06:32:08 Probably is, but then there is also the publishing agreement. Apr 24 06:39:32 shees people just sent a notice to crashanddie that i'm serious ... Apr 24 06:40:07 and yes i talk a lot ... but i already explained why ... Apr 24 06:40:11 Gh0sty: that's all nice and well, just stop saying the exact same sentence every bloody 20 minutes Apr 24 06:40:26 seriously, just today you've said it two or 3 times Apr 24 06:40:30 maybe more, didn't read up Apr 24 06:40:31 and a dozen times is not the case, i'm only here for couple of hours in the early morning Apr 24 06:41:05 anyway, take your senility medicine Apr 24 06:43:37 Gh0sty, Have you looked at cofundos.org ? Apr 24 06:43:42 i'll just shut it cause there is no arguing on a serious level with you guys ... Apr 24 06:44:56 there are several similar things like that Ken-Young, but did not know about that specific one. Apr 24 06:45:52 Gh0sty, THere were a few projects done for Openmoko phones that way. It worked, albeit slowly. Apr 24 06:46:27 well i think it would be better if there was something specific for maemo like that Apr 24 06:46:52 because if people don't know about it ... they'll have to stumble on such a project being setup :) Apr 24 06:48:53 Gh0sty, They wouldn't have to stumble across it. You could post a message about it on t.m.o. Apr 24 06:50:54 true Apr 24 06:51:49 Gh0sty, for the Openmoko projects, the rewards grew to a few hundred euros on some projects. Apr 24 06:52:36 Ken-Young: hm nice, but ofcourse for openmoko the community was probably not so large (considering only devs bought the device i guess) Apr 24 06:52:41 does openmoko acta= Apr 24 06:52:48 does openmoko actually run on n900? :) Apr 24 06:54:14 Gh0sty, No, the Openmoko stack has not been ported to the N900. You're right that the Openmoko community was smaller. So you might be able to get bigger prizes set aside for maemo projects. Apr 24 07:04:27 why on earth would anyone run openmoko software on n900 Apr 24 07:04:28 :P Apr 24 07:07:01 Stskeeps, Some people *really* don't want any closed source components. Apr 24 07:07:57 yes, i know that Apr 24 07:08:07 but openmoko of all things? :P Apr 24 07:09:06 Stskeeps, Say what you will about Openmoko, but I don't know of any other phone that was released with not one piece of proprietary software running on the ARM core. Apr 24 07:09:41 Ken-Young: i am not talking about the hardware support or licensing. i'm talking about the horrid UI. Apr 24 07:10:14 which made me want to throw out my freerunner as it seemed like it was designed by engineers who decided to move back in their mothers basement Apr 24 07:10:18 :P Apr 24 07:10:38 Stskeeps, No argument there. The machine was really underpowered, and could not run a slick UI. Apr 24 07:11:17 I don't think the engineers can be blamed though. Apr 24 07:11:53 The whole thing had to be done on the cheap, with obsolete components. Apr 24 07:13:10 sure it could, which is the sad part :P Apr 24 07:13:53 freerunner os state is a prime example of why things like meego are good, don't make a OS specifically for your device, people fork in so many different directions nothing actually ends up working Apr 24 07:14:28 Stskeeps, Yes, it was distressing to see how many distributions popped up for the Freerunner. Apr 24 07:15:00 on the other hand, it did hopefully inspire people to do things the right way by providing a bad example Apr 24 07:15:03 :P Apr 24 07:15:11 People got all excited about Android being ported to it, as if having the worst Android device in the world was cause for celebration. Apr 24 07:16:12 it's a bit sad, admittedly Apr 24 07:16:30 otoh, time to market for a open phone should diminish with meego Apr 24 07:16:34 Yes, both the company and the community failed, in different ways. Apr 24 07:16:54 ie, fully open core system + a hardware adaptation + blobs if you have any Apr 24 07:16:54 :P Apr 24 07:17:50 Stskeeps, The blobs are a real issue, though. When the manufacturer loses interest in your device, you become frozen in time. Apr 24 07:18:08 :nod: Apr 24 07:18:36 well, if you ever saw my vendor social contract proposal, i did think of those things :P Apr 24 07:19:02 did you ever get any reaction to that? Apr 24 07:19:09 From anyone who works for ? Apr 24 07:19:29 crashanddie: there was some but not from official hand, but do remark that nokia's providing a vendor hardware repository for instance Apr 24 07:20:51 but consumer policies are not really meego's goal Apr 24 07:23:02 but, i think that it is difficult to lock down something like meego :P Apr 24 08:09:38 back Apr 24 08:11:36 this gotta be some kind of record, 9hrs since i posted new fmms version and not a single bug reported yet \o/ Apr 24 08:12:41 their devices exploded in their faces, obviously Apr 24 08:13:53 maybe the download server is broken Apr 24 08:14:14 or that he forgot to upload it Apr 24 08:14:23 or the post didn't send Apr 24 08:28:42 anybody uses kde? Apr 24 08:32:29 my lack of presence here in the last few months is depressing me Apr 24 08:32:47 I need to do less idling and more hacking :P Apr 24 08:33:04 i'll put that on my to-do list Apr 24 08:33:10 * rm_you goes to bed Apr 24 08:34:06 Sleep is for the weak! Apr 24 08:34:36 Sleep is for the weekend. Apr 24 08:34:45 Which it is currently! :P Apr 24 08:34:49 Hooray! Apr 24 08:34:51 weird, all gnomeis here! Apr 24 08:35:44 oh, yeah some winblows users as well. always forget about them Apr 24 08:36:45 ok end of trolling. anybody knows how can i sync contacts on N900 Apr 24 08:38:53 on windows, linux or mac? Apr 24 08:39:21 trumee, You can sync with some cloud services (like google), using the "Mail for Exchange" dialog under settings. Otherwise, you can write out a comma separated list format file, and import it into contacts. Apr 24 08:40:56 Ken-Young: ideally i want to use syncml (using opensync) to sync against my computer. However, syncml opensync doesnt seem to work. I dont want to store data on the cloud. Is it possible to export contacts from N900 as a csv file? Apr 24 08:41:19 vanadismobile: on linux. Apr 24 08:41:26 trumee, Yes, I have done that successfully. Apr 24 08:41:38 Ken-Young: using opensync? Apr 24 08:41:42 trumee, dunno, windows here Apr 24 08:42:22 trumee, THe way I did it was to scp the file only the N900, and use the contacts app to import it. Apr 24 08:42:58 Ken-Young: i want the other way round. Export contacts from N900 as a vcf file/ Apr 24 08:43:20 trumee, Oh, sorry - that I have not done. Apr 24 08:43:30 Ken-Young: All the contacts on my N900 are the latest ones. and i want to import them on my desktop Apr 24 08:43:51 Ken-Young: what is this synce-evolution thing, any idea? Apr 24 08:44:09 trumee, Nope, I'm afraid I know nothing about that. Apr 24 08:44:32 Ken-Young: i am afraid the day my N900 dies, i will loose all the contacts. Apr 24 08:45:21 trumee, You *can* have them automatically sync with a gmail account, which will provide backup. Apr 24 08:45:51 Ken-Young: Problem with gmail is that, i am not sure whether all the fields of N900 will be transferreed to gmail. Apr 24 08:46:25 Ken-Young: N900 has extra fields like sip address, notes etc. will those get transferred to gmail? Apr 24 08:47:00 Ken-Young: i dont want to loose any information in the addressbook, so dont like the cloud sync. Apr 24 08:47:58 meh Apr 24 08:48:31 crashanddie: is that funny? Apr 24 08:48:44 trumee: not talking about that Apr 24 08:48:52 crashanddie: cool :) Apr 24 08:48:52 New law "forces Alabama law enforcement to demand identification from suspected illegal aliens" Apr 24 08:49:25 opensync is almost a dead project. There is no sync solution left! Apr 24 08:49:40 anybody knows what this synce-evolution is all about? Apr 24 08:50:07 or how reliable are cloud services to sync nokia fields. Apr 24 08:50:09 trumee: also, "meh" doesn't provide any conotations of humour or laughter ;) Apr 24 08:50:52 crashanddie, I thought "meh" denoted indifference. Apr 24 08:51:02 indeed Apr 24 08:51:09 or indignation Apr 24 08:53:44 or the sound of a sheep Apr 24 08:53:52 no, that's baah Apr 24 08:53:58 so nobody syncs their N900 here? Apr 24 08:54:38 Personally, I don't. Apr 24 08:54:53 Though I have 4 phone numbers listed, and have recieved 1 call. Apr 24 08:54:57 i do, with google ;) Apr 24 08:55:01 (since I got it 6 mo ago.) Apr 24 08:55:14 I do it with google too, and rsync. Apr 24 08:55:32 dubzii: are all the N900 fields kept intact on google? Apr 24 08:55:41 Ken-Young: i lost a lot of meta data while syncing to google Apr 24 08:55:49 trumee: ... well, I rsync it. Does that count? :-) Apr 24 08:56:11 parim1: there you go, i knew shit would happen when syncing with google Apr 24 08:56:46 trumee i havent checked, dont use them all Apr 24 08:56:57 parim1, I pulled contacts, calendar etc off an android phone, so I know the metadata I care about is kept by gmail. Apr 24 08:56:58 ccooke: maybe rsync is the way to go then. But it is only one way sync i guess Desktop > N900 Apr 24 08:57:40 ken-young, me too, came from iphone Apr 24 08:58:22 N95 was way much better. The sync worked perfect on it. Apr 24 09:00:14 Yeah - but the N95 won't run "The Gimp"! Apr 24 09:00:14 aha! there is export contacts thing in contact application Apr 24 09:01:07 trumee: I tend to sync n900 -> backup, with calendar sync (currently) manual via ermining Apr 24 09:01:54 ccooke: what is ermining? Apr 24 09:02:19 ccooke: i want to sync only the contacts. can ermining do that? Apr 24 09:02:26 trumee: a typo. Try erminig :-) Apr 24 09:02:35 don't think so. Apr 24 09:02:37 trumee: Covering with ermine - the fur from the weasel. Apr 24 09:03:13 ccooke: ah, it is google syncer. nope dont want that. Apr 24 09:03:29 atleast the contact apps can produce vcf files. that is a good start Apr 24 09:03:45 trumee: what do you want to achieve? Apr 24 09:03:52 i can atleast import vcf files into desktop Apr 24 09:04:27 ccooke: ideally i want to sync between computer (kde kontact) and N900 via syncml using opensync Apr 24 09:04:57 ccooke: syncml works perfectly in N95, but Nokia broke something in Maemo5 Apr 24 09:06:01 ccooke: and i dislike putting my sensitive contact information on the cloud. Happy to run a local funambol server if that is needed Apr 24 09:07:15 ccooke: does that make sense to you? Apr 24 09:08:23 trumee: I'm with you 100% You want syncevolution Apr 24 09:08:46 lbt, nice. how does that work? Apr 24 09:08:58 I want to use it with egroupware but that's not there yet Apr 24 09:09:34 syncevolution is a backend/cli sync tool. There's a gui for the n900 too Apr 24 09:10:17 lbt: do i need to run a funambol server here? or can i simply use a syncml client to query N900? Apr 24 09:10:48 I'm not up on the internals of it I'm afraid Apr 24 09:11:16 I don't know if the n900 will be a syncml server using se Apr 24 09:11:23 I think not Apr 24 09:11:42 my plan is a local egroupware or tine20 server Apr 24 09:11:51 lbt: how stable is syncevolution atm? LAst time I tried it, it wasn't usable Apr 24 09:11:51 similar to funambol Apr 24 09:12:00 hmm, so N900 will be a syncml client only. So i deifinitely need a funambol server? Apr 24 09:12:01 ccooke: rapid development Apr 24 09:12:19 lbt: that's good Apr 24 09:12:35 trumee: (sorry, distracted) yes, that did make sense. Apr 24 09:13:18 look, someone has kindly condensed this issue down to loads of random chat spread over multiple contradictory forum pages... as usual http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40278 Apr 24 09:13:31 goddam idiots won't summarise to a wiki Apr 24 09:14:33 lbt: that would be *useful* Apr 24 09:14:37 http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync Apr 24 09:14:40 we couldn't have that! Apr 24 09:16:43 wiki says "Syncing with a Linux Desktop, You also can use syncevolution", but that is not a direct sync i guess. i definitely need to set up a funambol server. Apr 24 09:17:46 lbt, are all the Nokia special fields transferred to funambol (there is no loss of meta-data)? Apr 24 09:18:42 trumee: looks like you can add something valuable to the wiki when you find out:) Apr 24 09:19:19 http://syncevolution.org/blogs/pohly/2010/syncevolution-10beta3-released Apr 24 09:19:30 lbt: :), what pisses me off is why syncml server in N900 is broken. Apr 24 09:19:57 they are looking for bugs ... if we can get stuff to them there's a good chance they'll be receptive right now Apr 24 09:49:27 heh, airbus a380: total wingspan: 79.8m Apr 24 09:59:35 lbt, ccooke:filed a bug for non-working opensync https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10023 Apr 24 09:59:37 Bug 10023: OpenSync/Syncml fails on N900 Apr 24 10:23:20 The quotes from Iron Chef are just hilarious Apr 24 10:23:35 Woman, beaming "It came in my mouth so gently, it was delicious" Apr 24 10:25:06 I'm having trouble flashing the eMMC ; anyone who knows what they are doing to tell me where I'm going wrong? Apr 24 10:25:23 http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7105/hornoxecompicdump151184.jpg hehe Apr 24 10:26:10 I'm following the procedure and not booting the phone between flashing the firmware and the eMMC image ; the flasher gets to "booting device into flash mode", the phone reboots, the progress dots show, then they stop "dotting" and it just sits there Apr 24 10:28:39 I wanted to totally revert the phone to factory state because I wanted to see if the problem I'm having is software related ; alternately, does anyone know if the phone caches your SIM information in the home folder anywhere? Apr 24 10:31:00 hey ppl Apr 24 10:32:20 h Apr 24 10:43:49 I'm so bloody bored Apr 24 10:43:52 it's not even fun anymore Apr 24 10:44:06 try some martial arts Apr 24 10:44:15 that will keep you busy for a while :> Apr 24 10:48:13 if i am using xchat whilst it updates will the universe implode? Apr 24 10:49:08 no Apr 24 10:49:18 cool Apr 24 10:49:20 or not necessarily Apr 24 10:49:35 oh... lol 2mins to test Apr 24 10:50:13 hows u pupnik Apr 24 10:50:56 xea: only here for another week Apr 24 10:51:02 xea: pretty hard to start martial arts when traveling Apr 24 10:51:31 i gots n900 yesterday \o/ it wins Apr 24 10:53:23 congrats! Apr 24 10:53:28 hehe thanks Apr 24 10:53:48 had to wait a month for it, but totally worth it Apr 24 10:54:07 a month? ouch Apr 24 10:54:16 I was going crazy waiting 3 days for mine Apr 24 10:54:57 yeah i ordered it 4 months before my contract with tmobile expired, but you can apparantly only do that 3 months up front Apr 24 10:55:25 any swedish/danish users who can tell me how to use the alternative danish characters on the n900 keyboard? Apr 24 10:55:27 painful month with a crappy htc Apr 24 10:55:33 they're printed on the key, but i don't know how to use them Apr 24 10:55:36 which one? Apr 24 10:55:41 * gevaerts had to wait for two months before he found a store where he *could* order one! Apr 24 10:56:04 haha :p well i wanted to get it through contract ofc Apr 24 10:56:22 i had a htc touch pro. crappiest phone in existance Apr 24 10:56:28 mm Apr 24 10:56:30 You mean you *wanted* to wait for a month? ;) Apr 24 10:56:36 qualcomm msm72xx :( Apr 24 10:56:38 painful Apr 24 10:56:45 nocturnal what color are they? Apr 24 10:56:54 if blue use the blue arrow Apr 24 10:56:57 White Apr 24 10:57:02 hahaha well i had no spare monies to just buy it so it was involuntary Apr 24 10:57:13 nocturnal then use shift Apr 24 10:57:27 i have triple characters on two keys Apr 24 10:57:35 one regular, which you make a capital one with shift, one blue and one danish Apr 24 10:57:38 i want to use the danish one Apr 24 10:57:49 3rd is blue tho isnt it? Apr 24 10:57:56 ohh Apr 24 10:57:57 yeah but that's ! and ? Apr 24 10:58:05 i also have ö ø ä æ Apr 24 10:58:05 no clue lol :P Apr 24 10:58:16 is that danish blue? Apr 24 10:58:34 no the swedish and danish characters are white, ö and ø on the same key Apr 24 10:58:38 and ä æ on another key Apr 24 10:58:41 maybe try shift and blue Apr 24 10:58:44 mm i dunno then. stskeeps you any idea since your device is potentiaslly .dk Apr 24 10:59:41 but srsly i love this phone <3 Apr 24 11:00:01 hmm i guess icould add danish to the on screen keyboard layout Apr 24 11:00:02 and this OS :P Apr 24 11:00:04 thanks for your help guys Apr 24 11:00:20 gl nocturnal :) Apr 24 11:00:56 doh nocturnal Apr 24 11:01:04 try sym/ctrl key Apr 24 11:01:27 ctrl is printed white which is prolly a clue ,) Apr 24 11:02:21 haha yeah Apr 24 11:03:16 * haltdef_ came from windows mobile as well Apr 24 11:03:32 ah, this is much better eh? Apr 24 11:03:33 xperia x1, pretty much a touch pro with a better screen .. been using the OS since 2003 though :P Apr 24 11:03:51 i wanted to smash my htc Apr 24 11:04:07 but i can get like 90€ for it so Apr 24 11:04:41 windows mobile is so close to being everything I want in a phone Apr 24 11:04:52 just so sluggish and doens't quite manage it :P Apr 24 11:05:09 question is wheter the satisfaction i could get from smashing it is worth more lol Apr 24 11:05:10 ain't the triple chars there for cutting prise for the nordic market, you will get ö as default if use finnish/swedish, while using danish you get to o with the line Apr 24 11:05:51 * lcukn900 ponders a new phone Apr 24 11:06:04 touchpro was super slow and buggy, sms was annoying, bluetooth didnt work Apr 24 11:06:19 I didn't realize how slow my x1 was until I fired up my n900 :P Apr 24 11:06:28 haha yeah Apr 24 11:06:37 had the same feeling Apr 24 11:06:56 not sure if it's the OS or hardware difference Apr 24 11:06:59 msm72xx really is shit Apr 24 11:07:00 from yesterday when i got my phone ive been on it constantly Apr 24 11:07:32 just installing stuff and playing angrybirds lol xD Apr 24 11:07:39 lcukn900: yeah i know i thought it was a good clue too but it didn't work. i also tried locking fn and sym Apr 24 11:07:52 bah Apr 24 11:07:54 i think maybe they're printed there for in case you change the system side locale Apr 24 11:07:57 yeah, i had a glofiish m800 before this. now that was awfu. Apr 24 11:07:57 or keyboard layout Apr 24 11:08:06 so i'm better off adding it to the on screen layout Apr 24 11:08:23 because i move between danish and swedish a lot Apr 24 11:08:40 only issues with the n900 is lack of last.fm, lack of hardware keys under the screen (used to control media player from my pocket) and irritating media player :p Apr 24 11:08:44 which has better bacon? Apr 24 11:08:55 haltdef_: i think i saw something last.fm related in the dev repository Apr 24 11:09:06 you should check it out if you haven't already Apr 24 11:09:09 mafw-lastfm? Apr 24 11:09:16 i honestly don't remember Apr 24 11:09:19 I have it installed and working, just doesn't seem to cache when offline Apr 24 11:09:21 just saw it briefly Apr 24 11:09:24 aha Apr 24 11:09:39 i dont mind the no hardware keys. i have a zen so i dont really use it for music (yet) Apr 24 11:09:58 I listen to music at work over bluetooth, can't have cell on *and* scrobbling, not with the stock battery :P Apr 24 11:10:11 what i found interesting to note was that a certain theme, could have been from the dev repo, slowed down the phone so much that it was almost unusable. the whole gui became unresponsive until i changed to an official theme from ovi store. Apr 24 11:10:16 so far its perfect :p Apr 24 11:10:34 you have a better battery? Apr 24 11:11:03 only extended battery is a bit fucked by the look of it Apr 24 11:11:10 i mean it survives for like a day for me so its ok Apr 24 11:11:22 yea it's just about enough if I'm careful Apr 24 11:11:37 oh? how much was it? and how long does yours last? Apr 24 11:11:41 GSM only unless i need 3G, always keep the screen brightness down as low as possible Apr 24 11:12:07 I haven't bought it, just read about it in here :P Apr 24 11:12:11 i have 2 classmates with n900's so i knew not to except long battlife Apr 24 11:12:17 ahhh Apr 24 11:12:33 yea me either, I do plan on getting the extended one once everything's sorted though Apr 24 11:12:40 lcukn900: no .dk keys here, thank god Apr 24 11:12:47 ahh k Apr 24 11:13:00 yeah, but i usually have charger with me and usually am near power so i dont mind it Apr 24 11:13:32 haltdef_: I bought a proporta 3400, not much larger than the phone, handy when nowhere to recharge Apr 24 11:13:39 file performance bugs and talk with developers about simplifying their apps and try to emphasise well tuned apps make battery life better Apr 24 11:13:52 yea dad has something like that, should yoink it Apr 24 11:13:58 plus got the usb cable and a netbook in case im not near power lol, just the netbook seems pointless now i have this :P Apr 24 11:14:28 netbook == external battery for n900 :) Apr 24 11:14:33 its like a large usb charger now Apr 24 11:14:37 lol indeed! Apr 24 11:15:03 and that can charge it like 3 times so :D Apr 24 11:15:05 im only miffed about my laptop needing to be turned on to use usb Apr 24 11:15:23 yeah, thats a shame Apr 24 11:15:41 there seem to be some netbooks/laptops now that have an always-powered usb connector Apr 24 11:15:47 ill get a car battery or simething Apr 24 11:15:50 specifically for these things Apr 24 11:16:04 lcukn900 aint that heavy to carry a netbook as battery? Apr 24 11:16:18 my netbook is only like 1kg Apr 24 11:16:23 eee 1201n Apr 24 11:16:45 think it's too heavy Apr 24 11:16:56 * aquatix was wondering whether there is an updated claws-mail somewhere Apr 24 11:16:58 Bah, Windows sucks donkey-poop milkshakes through a straw. Apr 24 11:17:06 n900 has better games and can do what the eee can tho :p Apr 24 11:17:08 wouldnt fit in to my pocket :( Apr 24 11:17:10 trizt when travelling properly i need laptop anyway for other things and its a small one. its simpler to use n900 for everything mobile but at airports etc i n,sometimes need a boost Apr 24 11:17:15 It doesn't flash the eMMC properly... linux to the rescue Apr 24 11:17:25 hehe Apr 24 11:17:37 myeah its dualboot Apr 24 11:17:45 win7 and ubuntu Apr 24 11:17:58 woot my screenprotector is here Apr 24 11:18:10 Barttech, Which type did you go for? Apr 24 11:18:13 any tips to apply it? i suck at that Apr 24 11:18:21 brando ultraclear Apr 24 11:18:33 need spray on screenprotectors Apr 24 11:18:43 only because it would ship in 1 day Apr 24 11:18:43 would coat everything Apr 24 11:18:52 Barttech, Run a shower in the bathroom for 5 minutes until it's steamy and put it on in there Apr 24 11:18:53 Barttech: don't thinker too much with it, it'll only attract more dust Apr 24 11:19:07 idd Icukn900 Apr 24 11:19:14 Barttech, That will cause water to nucleate around airborne dust and draw it to the ground Apr 24 11:19:20 idd? Apr 24 11:19:22 ok thanks guys Apr 24 11:19:34 indeed sorry, dutch abbrevation lol Apr 24 11:19:35 lcukn900: indeed Apr 24 11:19:39 Barttech: :) Apr 24 11:19:46 vwin 3 Apr 24 11:19:47 young uns! Apr 24 11:19:55 im going to try that now! ill be back soon ;) Apr 24 11:20:03 lcukn900: short for 'inderdaad' Apr 24 11:20:10 you have a qwerty keyboard on n900 use it Apr 24 11:20:23 ghehe Apr 24 11:20:36 but that word is all over the keyboard Apr 24 11:20:53 shower is running Apr 24 11:20:54 gan900 must have super thumbs Apr 24 11:21:06 Damn damn damn damn damn damn Apr 24 11:21:13 Ah well, I admit defeatt Apr 24 11:21:19 ? Apr 24 11:21:29 I've been getting "SIM card registration failed" Apr 24 11:21:56 But I've looked through the phone logs and everything trying to diagnose it and it's reading the SIM fine Apr 24 11:22:05 hmm, i wonder if i should pack both my n900s or just grab the battery from the 2nd one Apr 24 11:22:09 So not a hardware problem (in theory) Apr 24 11:22:13 lcukn900: sure there can be times when something bigger than n900, sometimes I wish it could have had more buttons on the keyboard as missing some characters like pipe on the buttons Apr 24 11:22:15 both Apr 24 11:22:26 yeah Apr 24 11:22:37 TriztN900, Yes, pipe is the char I miss the most Apr 24 11:22:43 hmmm Apr 24 11:23:03 this screenprotector has only 1 hole, tho ive seen some that have more Apr 24 11:23:03 When I found out it was on the virtual kb I exclaimed "surely not, this is a linux phone!" Apr 24 11:23:06 fr*ls take both and use second as a posh batterychargwe Apr 24 11:23:18 frals Apr 24 11:23:19 good point Apr 24 11:23:23 i like how you censored the a ;) Apr 24 11:23:27 it will cover the frontcam and such, will that be an issue? Apr 24 11:23:34 lol lazy typo Apr 24 11:23:51 Barttech: it can't really make the front camera image worse Apr 24 11:23:54 Barttech, It might interfere with the brightness and proximity sensors Apr 24 11:24:02 oh right Apr 24 11:24:06 Barttech, I've not even USED the frontcam Apr 24 11:24:12 but im sure they considered that Apr 24 11:24:19 yeah im sure i wont haha Apr 24 11:24:32 but the proximity sensor hmm Apr 24 11:24:32 Barttech, the protector I have has cutouts for them.. and the LED Apr 24 11:24:42 yeah Apr 24 11:24:56 well i can take it off it says so ill try it Apr 24 11:24:58 and Apr 24 11:25:04 its very thin anyway Apr 24 11:25:10 I'm quite pleased with it, it looked like ass the first day but as it's dried out the microbubbles are all gone and the finish is a lot nicers Apr 24 11:25:40 awilkins pippe and {} had been more useful on the kbd than €£ Apr 24 11:26:03 TriztN900, Indeed, what do they think we are, accountants? Apr 24 11:26:26 windroids Apr 24 11:26:31 TriztN900: you can alter tje keym aps Apr 24 11:26:42 Thouth I hacenMt Apr 24 11:26:49 Bah, still "SIM card registration failed" after a full bleach-clean OS install + eMMC wipe Apr 24 11:26:52 havent't Apr 24 11:27:15 awilkins try different sim out of interest Apr 24 11:27:16 It can't be hardware problem, the SIM worked in it last week. Maybe they barred my IMEI and aren't admitting it Apr 24 11:27:22 awilkins: flashing latest firmware right? Apr 24 11:27:32 and failing that it sounds borked? Apr 24 11:27:41 frals, No, I flashed the official vodafone firmware it already had Apr 24 11:28:04 frals, It's going back to the vodafarm in a bubble pack, so don't want to around their ire Apr 24 11:28:28 should be recent enough, 51-1 flashed the cell modem afaik and if you flashed to a previous version it wouldnt work with a sim card (iirc) Apr 24 11:28:35 lcukn900, Other SIM doesn't work and this SIM works perfectly in my old RAZR Apr 24 11:28:46 lcukn900, And it also worked in this unit for at least a week Apr 24 11:28:55 yeah Apr 24 11:29:14 lcukn900, The syslogs have the serial number in them so the hardware must be reading it OK Apr 24 11:29:28 The SIM serial number, that is Apr 24 11:30:24 was the reflash total scratch? ie you didnt restore after? Apr 24 11:30:39 cos you did emmc i think i knpw answer Apr 24 11:30:45 know Apr 24 11:31:23 lcukn900, Total 100% flash and no restored backups, it even went into the "Getting started" app for the second time ever Apr 24 11:32:26 I can't see why they should bar the IMEI but it's the only explanation remaining to me... I bought the phone from them, and have only ever used it on their networks Apr 24 11:32:31 ok take it to store Apr 24 11:32:49 speak they can play with sims? Apr 24 11:33:02 lcukn900, Yes, there's a "repair return" pack waiting for it to go into Apr 24 11:33:27 lcukn900, It will have to wait until monday to go special delivery from the PO Apr 24 11:33:30 woohoooo Apr 24 11:33:34 its attached Apr 24 11:33:39 no bubbles Apr 24 11:33:42 no dust Apr 24 11:33:51 proximity sensor still works Apr 24 11:34:01 thanks for the bathroom tip there Apr 24 11:34:28 Barttech, I wish I'd used it on the first one I tried ... dropped it on a printout and utterly destroyed it Apr 24 11:34:49 ouch! Apr 24 11:34:52 bartech i would probably have same experience. then realise i attahed it to the cat or something Apr 24 11:34:56 Barttech, But it stood up so well to the abuse I subjected it to in anger, that I bought another of the same type Apr 24 11:35:20 This sucker wouldn't even puncture with full-on-biting-canine-teeth Apr 24 11:35:24 ive also ordered a kind of rubber thing for the sides which wa s like 2€ Apr 24 11:35:32 hahaha the cat :p Apr 24 11:35:43 m Apr 24 11:36:02 my n900 looks significantly different from my cat ;) Apr 24 11:36:13 !mrowlt! Apr 24 11:36:48 i just sent half a sms msg because i dropped phone and caught it by the send button Apr 24 11:37:07 Better than not catching it Apr 24 11:37:36 was heading for my face, so yeah Apr 24 11:37:38 * Trizt should be eating Apr 24 11:37:44 lol! Apr 24 11:38:50 wheres most extreme place n900 will work? Apr 24 11:39:06 can you take mobiles to ISS? Apr 24 11:39:59 sure you can, but you won't have much of mobile carrier connection up there Apr 24 11:40:07 will n900fly work in orbit Apr 24 11:40:18 it will "work", yes :) Apr 24 11:40:36 liqflow will be funky Apr 24 11:40:42 Actually, at least it will be more or less safe to use there :) Apr 24 11:41:09 doesnt all hardware have to be confirmed space safe Apr 24 11:41:30 they take laptops too Apr 24 11:41:45 but those have a lesser life span because of the radiation Apr 24 11:41:54 so an n900 will work too Apr 24 11:41:57 for a while :) Apr 24 11:42:12 lousy gsm coverage though Apr 24 11:42:26 good gps lock tho Apr 24 11:43:01 might freak out the n900 though Apr 24 11:43:06 you could use wifi AP Apr 24 11:43:08 'wtf, *that* high?!' Apr 24 11:43:17 lol Apr 24 11:43:24 im sure they have wifi in iss ;) Apr 24 11:43:41 winot? Apr 24 11:43:55 The GPS will not get a lock Apr 24 11:44:10 Unless nokia is violating ITAR and related stuff. Apr 24 11:44:13 how else will they survive? you need either 3g or wifi. its like oxygen :p Apr 24 11:44:29 All consumer GPSs drop out at >60000ft and >1000kt Apr 24 11:44:42 (some drop out at or - which is a bug) Apr 24 11:44:45 speed? rly Apr 24 11:44:51 You don't actually need GPS though. I'm sure they can derive their position straight from the clock Apr 24 11:44:57 i thought it would still work Apr 24 11:45:19 also they prob dont need much navigating up there Apr 24 11:45:24 :p Apr 24 11:45:26 Barttech: they got extensive training to be able to go without that for long times though Apr 24 11:45:57 respect, if i dont have internet for a few days i become very, very ill Apr 24 11:45:59 they install a massive stars screensaver Apr 24 11:46:10 lol Apr 24 11:46:22 lcukn900: on one screen. The other screen has a spinning earth screensaver Apr 24 11:46:29 ghehe Apr 24 11:46:31 nice Apr 24 11:46:45 i mean no sex for a year, ok, but no internet? impossible Apr 24 11:47:10 for you maybe Apr 24 11:47:26 * aquatix needs both Apr 24 11:47:33 well if you had to choose one Apr 24 11:47:37 sex or internet Apr 24 11:47:47 hm Apr 24 11:47:50 for a full year.. which would youmpick? Apr 24 11:48:12 for me it would depend on the quantity of sex and speed of internet Apr 24 11:48:16 depends on my location Apr 24 11:48:19 and internet eccludes porn and you have hand tied behind back. Apr 24 11:48:28 lcukn900: :) Apr 24 11:48:29 indeed, yes! Apr 24 11:48:30 just to balance the argument Apr 24 11:48:34 no porn :P Apr 24 11:48:42 then no internet Apr 24 11:48:47 haha Apr 24 11:49:03 but if youre getting sex once a week only? Apr 24 11:49:12 then id pick internet Apr 24 11:49:23 as said, depends on where we are Apr 24 11:49:29 indeed :P Apr 24 11:49:35 maybe we're travelling around the world or something Apr 24 11:49:40 true Apr 24 11:50:24 i'll get serious withdrawal though Apr 24 11:50:26 i need to do some hacking later Apr 24 11:50:35 yeah me too Apr 24 11:50:43 im making a widger to show distance from active volcano Apr 24 11:50:51 widget Apr 24 11:50:55 hell, i even jumped on internet when i found an open wifi spot in namibia Apr 24 11:50:59 haha cool Apr 24 11:51:05 lcukn900: lol Apr 24 11:51:06 lol! Apr 24 11:51:25 id do that too lol Apr 24 11:51:29 "shit, theres a volcano thats erupting right in front of us - if I hadn't seen this widget on my n900, we would of been screwed" Apr 24 11:51:39 my gf wont let me bring my netbook anywhere Apr 24 11:51:49 but, a phone.. thats a must Apr 24 11:51:53 indeed Apr 24 11:52:01 http://xkcd.com/723/ Apr 24 11:52:04 * aquatix wouldn't want to carry his laptop around on vacation Apr 24 11:52:09 Barttech wat? Apr 24 11:52:12 well true Apr 24 11:52:15 No netboob? Apr 24 11:52:22 HAve you tried to reason with her? Apr 24 11:52:24 Dassu: only stand-alones Apr 24 11:52:26 i mean to like vacations hahaha Apr 24 11:52:39 Barttech: But still :( No netbook. Apr 24 11:52:43 true Apr 24 11:52:48 (paired, that is) Apr 24 11:52:52 she cant be reasoned with ;) Apr 24 11:53:43 This is why I don't have a girlfriend Apr 24 11:53:45 :P lol Apr 24 11:53:51 its a woman, they seem allergic to small technology Apr 24 11:54:21 well Apr 24 11:54:25 mine has an n900 Apr 24 11:54:30 and a netbook Apr 24 11:54:35 really? she must be awesome Apr 24 11:54:37 so i'm kinda good Apr 24 11:54:43 Barttech: of course :P Apr 24 11:54:49 lucky guy Apr 24 11:55:06 hey, the moment she bought an n900, i proposed ;) Apr 24 11:55:14 hahaha :D Apr 24 11:55:22 really? :p Apr 24 11:55:23 (actually, that was before, but hey) Apr 24 11:55:32 ah! she said yes? Apr 24 11:55:38 thank the Light :) Apr 24 11:55:53 congrats then :D Apr 24 11:55:57 ghehe, thanks :) Apr 24 11:56:28 how long have you been together? Apr 24 11:56:59 almost 12 years now Apr 24 11:57:08 oh wow, nice Apr 24 11:57:12 highschool sweethearts Apr 24 11:57:17 cool! Apr 24 11:57:24 kinda scary really ;) Apr 24 11:57:31 naa its cool Apr 24 11:57:48 * aquatix agrees Apr 24 11:57:59 ive been with my gf 2 years now Apr 24 11:58:06 shes pretty cool Apr 24 11:58:11 great :) Apr 24 11:58:37 but im a total gadget freak and she doesnt like that lol Apr 24 11:59:04 what do you do btw? work, i mean Apr 24 11:59:24 IT Apr 24 11:59:31 system stuff for the navy Apr 24 12:00:46 Barttech: you? :) Apr 24 12:00:55 cool! Apr 24 12:01:06 student atm Apr 24 12:01:17 studying software development Apr 24 12:02:57 amsterdam? Apr 24 12:03:00 wow, was pretty easy to get a "donate via paypal" button generated Apr 24 12:03:30 yeah :D Apr 24 12:03:36 well, Delft Apr 24 12:03:39 Barttech: been there ;) Apr 24 12:03:41 ah Apr 24 12:03:44 that's no amsterdam :P Apr 24 12:03:50 cool! Apr 24 12:04:04 well, close enough ;) Apr 24 12:04:07 * aquatix really needs to wrap up his study at the VU Apr 24 12:04:31 what did you study there specifically? Apr 24 12:04:50 beer strength and its effect on human subjects Apr 24 12:05:07 lcuk: that's my master indeed Apr 24 12:05:08 Delft... not been there but had a server there Apr 24 12:05:15 Trizt: :) Apr 24 12:05:36 Barttech: computer science; internet & web technology Apr 24 12:05:50 (distributed systems, parallel programming, the works) Apr 24 12:06:07 have some colleages from TU Delft btw Apr 24 12:06:09 hehe Apr 24 12:06:13 nice Apr 24 12:06:25 delft is pretty cool Apr 24 12:06:55 aquatix, what languages were you using for parallel programming Apr 24 12:07:24 and were you using ondie cores for the parallel systems or the distributed computing elements? Apr 24 12:08:27 hmmm Apr 24 12:09:05 if i try to disable callforwarding and click save (in settings and then phone) it doesnt work Apr 24 12:09:36 if i go back to look its enabled again Apr 24 12:09:56 lcuk: C and java Apr 24 12:10:09 and both dual-core and multisystem Apr 24 12:10:12 Barttech; switch to another provider, then maybe if you are lucky Apr 24 12:10:41 cool Apr 24 12:10:51 oh right. i thought it was my old mobile number but its tmobiles voicemail Apr 24 12:10:55 bahh lol Apr 24 12:11:16 gheh Apr 24 12:11:31 ohwell its disabled anyway Apr 24 12:12:00 * Trizt wonders why canal+ has to dub anime Apr 24 12:12:08 eek Apr 24 12:12:15 just subtitle it... Apr 24 12:12:37 i dont see why they dub anything :p Apr 24 12:12:37 \o/ now i can do my own ujnboxing video Apr 24 12:12:55 aquatix; I agree Apr 24 12:13:07 summel :D you got n900? Apr 24 12:13:21 just picked it up at the packstation :) Apr 24 12:13:28 woot cong Apr 24 12:13:32 and my 32 gB Micros SDHC card ^^ Apr 24 12:13:35 Barttech: funniest is when watching Air Crash Investigation or similar about something Dutch, which is dubbed in english and I can barely make out what the guy is saying Apr 24 12:13:36 congrats* Apr 24 12:13:43 ahhaha yeah Apr 24 12:13:45 summel: whoa Apr 24 12:13:48 32GB is out Apr 24 12:13:48 ? Apr 24 12:13:54 err Apr 24 12:13:56 16 GB Apr 24 12:14:03 they dub, they sub back to dutch rofl Apr 24 12:14:03 * aquatix crawls from under his stone Apr 24 12:14:05 ah Apr 24 12:14:06 because 32 costs still way above 100 € Apr 24 12:14:11 ah yes Apr 24 12:14:12 but they are "out" Apr 24 12:14:18 * aquatix remembers now Apr 24 12:14:24 and i remember the price ;) Apr 24 12:14:33 i just have 4gb xD Apr 24 12:14:37 * SpeedEvil wonders if there are SD->SATA adaptors Apr 24 12:14:39 * aquatix has 16GB Apr 24 12:14:42 (yes, that way round) Apr 24 12:14:52 I haven an 8& thought the 16 far too much Apr 24 12:14:54 SpeedEvil: sd-card->sata? Apr 24 12:15:08 aquatix: plug a SD card with a lead on it to a SATA drive Apr 24 12:15:09 i think that exists Apr 24 12:15:11 SpeedEvil, I wonder how fast it would be Apr 24 12:15:16 32+4 is fine for me :p Apr 24 12:15:26 hardly using the storage so far Apr 24 12:15:38 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22597 Apr 24 12:15:43 like that? Apr 24 12:15:44 Barttech; good place to place backups IMHO Apr 24 12:15:53 aquatix: no - the other way round Apr 24 12:16:06 oh Apr 24 12:16:11 sata to sd Apr 24 12:16:42 so you can have a ginourmous sd 'card' :) Apr 24 12:16:45 true! Apr 24 12:16:51 problem is, sdhc goes to 32GB Apr 24 12:17:09 i have a 30mbps 4gb sdcard in my netbook lol Apr 24 12:17:18 super expensive for 4gb Apr 24 12:17:54 aquatix: SDXC is just another bitfield tweak as I understand it. (with another shitty fs) Apr 24 12:18:02 yeah Apr 24 12:18:16 * aquatix likes the CF design a lot better Apr 24 12:18:27 :o Apr 24 12:18:33 CF sucks in several ways Apr 24 12:18:37 *hums the nokia melody* Apr 24 12:18:44 primarily, the connector is horribly fragile. Apr 24 12:18:49 true Apr 24 12:19:01 it's kinda big for a phone too ;) Apr 24 12:19:02 Secondly - it's - comparatively - huge. Apr 24 12:19:19 * Arkenoi thinks it was a big mistake to a) use _micro_SD slot and b) to make it inaccessible without removing back cover Apr 24 12:19:45 I think it should have supported a stack of 8 microSD. Apr 24 12:19:48 Arkenoi: it's quite the default with phones nowadays Apr 24 12:19:50 Arkenoi, drill a hole Apr 24 12:19:51 the sd slot seemed a bit fragile Apr 24 12:19:54 microSD is pretty much standard in cellphones these days isnt it? Apr 24 12:20:04 afaik yes Apr 24 12:20:04 it is yeah Apr 24 12:20:11 finding miniSD for the n810 was harder than getting a microSD and adapter :| Apr 24 12:20:28 yep Apr 24 12:20:40 Is 32G SD cheaper than uSD? Apr 24 12:20:44 minisd goes up to 4GB i think; after that they stopped making them Apr 24 12:20:51 SpeedEvil: i think so Apr 24 12:20:53 it's bigger :) Apr 24 12:21:01 SpeedEvil: 32GB is cheaper than 16GB uSD IIRC Apr 24 12:21:12 Arkenoi: at least you don't have to remove the battery Apr 24 12:21:26 aquatix: every miniSD has been stopped, their price will gradually increase as stocks dry up Apr 24 12:21:53 i got some minisd-microsd converters from dealextreme Apr 24 12:21:59 crashanddie: until someone starts cashing in on teh market by gluing microSD into mini adaptors. Apr 24 12:22:01 aquatix: being "default" does not make it any better :-/ Apr 24 12:22:01 anyway folks nice talking to ya, be back later! bye! :) Apr 24 12:22:08 Arkenoi: true Apr 24 12:22:08 ohoh Apr 24 12:22:12 Barttech: ciao Apr 24 12:22:14 same as microusb Apr 24 12:22:23 well, microusb is kinda nice Apr 24 12:22:26 SpeedEvil: sure... Also, CF had several advatanges over SD some time ago... Those advatanges are being washed out slowly Apr 24 12:22:29 i have only one device for which use of microSD looks justified Apr 24 12:22:35 as it doesn't wear out the connector in the device that much Apr 24 12:22:42 id have preferred miniusb, have like 5 miniusb charges and cables Apr 24 12:22:50 you could probably fit about a terabyte in cf tho.. looking at 32 gig microsd :) Apr 24 12:22:53 well true Apr 24 12:23:00 anyway bye folks :D Apr 24 12:23:05 Barttech: ciao Apr 24 12:23:08 and even that one could have full-size SD slot and still be handy enough Apr 24 12:23:09 I want USB in a 3.5mm socket Apr 24 12:23:14 a quad-ring one Apr 24 12:23:14 and that device is wrist watch Apr 24 12:23:40 I have a smart uSD :) Apr 24 12:25:50 to control satelites? Apr 24 12:26:09 i have an idea for a new app(let) Apr 24 12:26:26 pupnik: It counts the number of girls and cups in a photo? Apr 24 12:26:34 good idea Apr 24 12:26:35 DocScrutinizer: nope, but it does NFC and has an integrated cryptoprocessor ;) Apr 24 12:26:52 smart enuff Apr 24 12:26:55 nfc sd flash card? so people can loot the contents without touching?:) Apr 24 12:27:01 well is there anything that will let me map my wifi reception? Apr 24 12:27:19 say i have an access point and it isnt getting everywhere Apr 24 12:27:19 pupnik: I've got a stupid script that I've misplaced Apr 24 12:27:33 pupnik: basically - install gps-tracker-widget Apr 24 12:28:02 pupnik: set it recording. Take a while loop to parse /proc/net/wireless - well - to cat it every second. Apr 24 12:28:06 jaska: nha, more like: I wrote a C app that emulates my BAC smartcard protocol, so I can enter the office with my phone ;) Apr 24 12:28:22 pupnik: A cheesy script to correlate, and plot via colour with gnuplot Apr 24 12:28:26 o.O Apr 24 12:28:43 nice SpeedEvil Apr 24 12:29:44 * pupnik goes into crazy idea mode Apr 24 12:29:59 pupnik: there is also an app - wififinder - that will beep if it finds a connection. Apr 24 12:30:02 IIRC Apr 24 12:30:11 pupnik: or wander around watching streaming porn. Apr 24 12:30:29 kismet works on n900? i forgot Apr 24 12:30:39 Dunno Apr 24 12:30:43 there is aircrack-ng Apr 24 12:30:45 yeah we need to do the cuptracker app Apr 24 12:30:48 but that's not quite teh same thing Apr 24 12:31:22 good enough. anything that can promiscuously scan and log Apr 24 12:31:52 oh god... flash used for hyperlinks to ensure people stay on the website for a minimum amount of time Apr 24 12:31:53 now about NN-recognition Apr 24 12:32:05 haahahahahhah Apr 24 12:32:52 more or less annoying than an advertisement between the forward Apr 24 12:33:06 more Apr 24 12:33:15 agree Apr 24 12:33:21 because if you don't have flash, you can't even browse anymore... Apr 24 12:35:35 MohammadAG: the sdk works on another laptop :) Apr 24 12:36:28 Is there a simpe way to turn the GPS on? Apr 24 12:36:43 I want to be able to turn it on and off from shell - ideally Apr 24 12:37:04 On the n810 you needed something that would poll it every x seconds to prevent it from shutting down Apr 24 12:37:09 I think I need to send a broadcast dbus message - but I'm unsure Apr 24 12:37:18 SpeedEvil, noobmonk3y does it from pyqt - not sure how but you could check his src Apr 24 12:37:27 and jebba mightv put something in his wiki Apr 24 12:37:30 I had this script that basically broadcast the GPS data on a wifi network, but don't know if the same would work on n900 Apr 24 12:40:22 doesnt really matter. i find the places just by disconnects Apr 24 12:41:01 oh. a wifi SIGNAL STRENGTH would e nice to see in menubar icon Apr 24 12:41:55 you know, so you can see at least 1,2,3 radial 'bars' for signal strength Apr 24 12:43:25 yes Apr 24 12:43:38 I'd like it to work like the 2G/3G bars Apr 24 12:46:47 helo Apr 24 12:46:57 anyone use sb ? Apr 24 12:48:12 room dead? Apr 24 12:48:29 sb = ??? Apr 24 12:48:29 * gevaerts doesn't see any room! Apr 24 12:48:40 soft bread? ;) Apr 24 12:48:42 sb = scratchbox Apr 24 12:49:22 dimitra: 1) ask your question, not if anyone does anything, 2) be a lil more patient ^^ Apr 24 12:49:38 * RST38h yawns and announces a new XChat build Apr 24 12:49:42 ok Apr 24 12:50:10 first question, whats the diff between scratchbox & scratchbox2 Apr 24 12:50:29 lotsa diff man Apr 24 12:50:46 second question, I cant include when I compile in sb for armel Apr 24 12:50:52 lotsa lotsa diffs diff 'em urself to find out man Apr 24 12:51:31 can i do a request for a new claws-mail build for diablo? Apr 24 12:51:35 learn about pkg-config man Apr 24 12:51:47 RST38h, I want to compile a c prog useing gstreamer clutter and cairo Apr 24 12:51:50 pkg-config is ye friend Apr 24 12:52:03 RST38h: :) Apr 24 12:52:04 ye best matey Apr 24 12:52:23 RST38h, I have set the paths in pkg-config Apr 24 12:52:31 what paths? Apr 24 12:52:48 RST38h, for clutter-1.0 diretcory Apr 24 12:53:24 yo next besta friend is man, mate Apr 24 12:53:29 man pkg-config Apr 24 12:53:57 RST38h, what i saw in SB directory, is that I have a SB inside another SB Apr 24 12:54:09 RST38h, is that rt? Apr 24 12:54:31 retweet! Apr 24 12:54:36 RST38h, I ll try another clean install Apr 24 12:54:38 no idea, only have one SB2 Apr 24 12:55:26 RST38h, for cairo clutter gstreamer & maybe a bit gtk for maemo in N900 u rekon SB or SB2? Apr 24 12:55:40 RT @lcuk retweet! Apr 24 12:56:17 RT: @frals RT @lcuk retweet! Apr 24 12:56:44 http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/sbox2 btw why says ABANDONED PROJECT ? Apr 24 12:57:47 dimitra: it says right below that line. Apr 24 12:58:04 * lcuk ---> gone Apr 24 12:58:16 Shapeshifter, I c that is mainted by NOKIA Apr 24 12:58:32 * frals slaps lcuk with some bacon before he leaves Apr 24 12:58:56 just cant understant the DIABLO the FREMANTLE the SCratcjbox2 difs Apr 24 13:00:42 NOKIA or NOKlA ? Apr 24 13:03:44 auenf, ? Apr 24 13:05:29 * lcuk grabs the bacon and runs - i knew i recognised the smell coming from my laptop Apr 24 13:05:41 do i need NOKIA binaries for a clutter application in ARMEL? Apr 24 13:07:16 dimitra: stop using caps Apr 24 13:08:42 k Apr 24 13:11:20 can i set a "default" phone number for a contact? Apr 24 13:19:12