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Apr 26 03:30:18 <crashanddie> WAKE THE FUCK UP EVERYONE
Apr 26 03:30:59 <Ken-Young> Let me sleep for 5 more minutes.
Apr 26 03:34:15 <Termana> I love how people on tmo are complete idiots and they expect people to believe their argument. I should go thank all these posts to stir some shit up. People will wonder why the hell I thanked the post when it was just a piece of crap.
Apr 26 03:34:16 <GAN900> crashanddie, ssssh
Apr 26 03:34:21 <GAN900> We're sleeping
Apr 26 03:35:05 <crashanddie> Termana: link?
Apr 26 03:35:07 <crashanddie> GAN900: no
Apr 26 03:35:09 <crashanddie> GAN900: you
Apr 26 03:36:37 <Termana> crashanddie: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=626996&postcount=42 and http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=627014&postcount=46 and http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=627027&postcount=49 I mean its not even about the content. He can't even paragraph his statements - which makes it hard to read.
Apr 26 03:37:12 * crashanddie starts crying when he sees the last link
Apr 26 03:37:33 <Termana> You'll have to excuse me for not taking someone seriously for not even trying to make their posts readable
Apr 26 03:38:40 <crashanddie> looks like his own mind isn't streamlined enough to make sense out of it himself
Apr 26 03:39:10 <Ken-Young> I'm surprised it's not all caps.
Apr 26 03:39:31 <crashanddie> Termana: don't hate the lower end of the spectrum. Remember, we need to be Open, enjoy Everyone, welcome Everything.
Apr 26 03:39:45 <crashanddie> Who the fuck ever came up with such a stupid idea, eh?
Apr 26 03:40:33 <crashanddie> GAN900: seriously, where the hell does this belief come from that "democracy" == "openness" == "everyone is allowed to speak up"
Apr 26 03:41:48 <crashanddie> Have we not yet learnt, over the years, that "everyone talking at the same time" == "nobody gets heard"? That's why we vote for people, so that you can elect someone who has the same opinion as you to cary your voice across.
Apr 26 03:42:22 <crashanddie> I'm sick of this shit, Open Source is a fad.
Apr 26 03:43:12 <crashanddie> Sorry, scrap that. Open Source can work, but only when developers are the ones who are Open. The rest, the community, the general public needs to shut the fuck up and just decide who should represent them.
Apr 26 03:44:03 <crashanddie> </rant>
Apr 26 03:46:54 <crashanddie> anywa, off for lunch, later
Apr 26 03:47:23 <asj> crashanddie: off your meds? ;)
Apr 26 03:49:02 <Ken-Young> Here's something I find even more depressing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1tRWpFqRqU
Apr 26 03:52:32 <Termana> asj: When is he even ON them is the question. :P lol
Apr 26 04:03:53 <crashanddie> asj & Termana: shush
Apr 26 04:05:22 <GAN900> crashanddie, are you telling me to be loud and obnoxious? :P
Apr 26 04:05:46 <crashanddie> GAN900: if it keeps the rest of the farm quiet, yes
Apr 26 04:10:05 <crashanddie> Maemo is haemorrhaging and going through good contributors faster than a gang-bang-rape victim. It's like it has become a game of who-can-we-disappoint-fastest, or who-will-be-the-first-to-flee. This isn't a project anymore, it's a farce.
Apr 26 04:11:51 <Ken-Young> Which contributors have left recently?
Apr 26 04:25:51 <GAN900> Lots
Apr 26 04:28:10 <Ken-Young> What is it that has upset them?   Maemo being dropped for Meego?
Apr 26 04:28:42 <Ken-Young> Build problems related to pr1.2 ?
Apr 26 04:35:36 <Termana> When you can't actually name someone - drops something generic like "lots" :P lol
Apr 26 04:35:41 <Termana> drop*
Apr 26 04:36:14 <Termana> How many women have you had?
Apr 26 04:36:15 <Termana> Lots
Apr 26 04:54:42 <GAN900> Kegetys, lots.
Apr 26 04:54:50 <GAN900> Termana, AndrewFBlack
Apr 26 04:54:57 <GAN900> crashanddie, to a certain extent
Apr 26 04:55:02 <GAN900> timsamoff
Apr 26 04:55:11 <GAN900> zerojay
Apr 26 04:55:13 <GAN900> others
Apr 26 04:55:50 <Ken-Young> GAN900, Is there a common thread to why they are leaving?
Apr 26 04:57:14 <luke-jr> Ken-Young: betrayal?
Apr 26 04:57:50 <Ken-Young> luke-jr, How were they betrayed?   What specifically happened?
Apr 26 04:58:46 <luke-jr> Ken-Young: MeeGo
Apr 26 04:58:51 <luke-jr> capacitive ts
Apr 26 04:59:08 <luke-jr> in my case, Nokia's unwillingness to allow a free software OS
Apr 26 04:59:36 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: were you ever part of maemo? :P
Apr 26 05:00:12 <luke-jr> -.-
Apr 26 05:00:37 <luke-jr> N810 is automatically part of the community IMO even if not Maemo specifically
Apr 26 05:00:42 * Stskeeps pretty much only remembers gentoo stuff
Apr 26 05:00:52 <luke-jr> if it were Maemo-specific, then *everyone* must leave by force ;P
Apr 26 05:00:53 <Ken-Young> luke-jr, I can understand being unhappy about Meego.   I share that feeling.   I think capacitive is inevitable, because eventually everyone will expect multitouch.   I doubt we will ever see a pure open source phone by a major company.
Apr 26 05:01:07 <luke-jr> Ken-Young: resistive multitouch exists
Apr 26 05:01:17 <luke-jr> Ken-Young: who needs a major company?
Apr 26 05:01:32 <Stskeeps> well, people to pay for production
Apr 26 05:01:38 * slonopotamus missed something?
Apr 26 05:01:41 <Stskeeps> pandora doesn't seem to work well
Apr 26 05:01:42 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 26 05:01:53 <Ken-Young> luke-jr, Openmoko showed what happens when you hitch up with a small company.
Apr 26 05:01:55 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: the financial aspect seems to
Apr 26 05:01:59 <Mace_N900> pandora?
Apr 26 05:02:03 <Mace_N900> :)
Apr 26 05:02:03 <luke-jr> slonopotamus: apparently us Gentooers are cut off from the community
Apr 26 05:02:25 <luke-jr> Ken-Young: the onyl problem with OpenMoko is that it's 2 generations old by now and doesn't fit my specs
Apr 26 05:02:33 <slonopotamus> luke-jr: uh?
Apr 26 05:02:33 <luke-jr> otherwise, I'd buy one
Apr 26 05:02:39 <Ken-Young> luke-jr, It's also dead.
Apr 26 05:02:44 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: meh, i take my statement back - need coffee (re not part of community)
Apr 26 05:02:46 <luke-jr> Ken-Young: not really
Apr 26 05:02:55 <Ken-Young> luke-jr, Yes, really.
Apr 26 05:03:17 <luke-jr> Ken-Young: they're apparently still selling; every few months I hear about the software making new leaps
Apr 26 05:03:48 <Ken-Young> luke-jr, THey're selling off their old stock.   THey'll never make another phone.
Apr 26 05:03:59 <GAN900> Termana, variety of reasons
Apr 26 05:04:02 <luke-jr> then someone else might
Apr 26 05:04:05 <slonopotamus> luke-jr: link?
Apr 26 05:04:05 <luke-jr> besides, I dont' need a phone
Apr 26 05:04:13 <luke-jr> that's why OpenMoko failed for me :p
Apr 26 05:04:21 <luke-jr> slonopotamus: ?
Apr 26 05:04:50 <Mace_N900> n900 is awesome.. get one luke
Apr 26 05:04:58 <GAN900> Termana, the core generally being the rug-pulled-out-from-under-you feeling of MeeGo and the whole it's-open-but-wait-it's-not! thing.
Apr 26 05:05:00 <Mace_N900> well worth it
Apr 26 05:05:01 <luke-jr> Mace_N900: when I can run a free OS maybe
Apr 26 05:05:14 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: then why don't you own a freerunner?
Apr 26 05:05:17 <Mace_N900> no such thing
Apr 26 05:05:23 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: even with the modem:P
Apr 26 05:05:26 <Mace_N900> :)
Apr 26 05:05:32 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: the same reason I don't own a Zaurus 5600
Apr 26 05:06:13 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: if I needed a phone, and was aware when Freerunner was released, I probably would
Apr 26 05:06:29 <luke-jr> but I don't need a phone, and I didn't hear about Freerunner until it was obsolete
Apr 26 05:06:30 <luke-jr> so
Apr 26 05:07:40 <Ken-Young> In my opinion, we'll be *very* lucky if there is a phone as open as the N900 for sale in 10 years.
Apr 26 05:07:49 <Stskeeps> freerunner's probably the primary reason don't believe in open hardware, after five minutes with it, you wonder who designed the thing, software, etc and wanting to throw it out of the window :P
Apr 26 05:07:54 <Stskeeps> +i
Apr 26 05:08:06 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: tried it recently? I hear it works fine now
Apr 26 05:08:11 <Stskeeps> i did
Apr 26 05:08:40 <Stskeeps> gave it to a relatively new user as well, who did know his way around open source
Apr 26 05:08:41 <Stskeeps> same reaction
Apr 26 05:08:42 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 26 05:09:01 <Stskeeps> frankly, 'mostly open', good enough for me
Apr 26 05:09:02 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 26 05:09:04 <luke-jr> oh well
Apr 26 05:09:04 * Stskeeps goes make coffee
Apr 26 05:09:08 <luke-jr> open license is good enough ;)
Apr 26 05:09:14 <luke-jr> can't argue that can affect output
Apr 26 05:09:44 <luke-jr> I think Ken-Young's "small company" point is more valid
Apr 26 05:11:09 * Stskeeps tries to find daperl's post which sums up the situation quite a bit
Apr 26 05:11:44 <opdf2> im transfer a couple gigs USB mode. Will doing CPU intensive tasks on the n900 slow the transfer?
Apr 26 05:12:04 <Ken-Young> Openmoko had a *chance* at success, when the phone first came out (the neo 1973, not the Freerunner), because it was competing against things like the Treo.   The bar has been raised tremendously since then.
Apr 26 05:12:38 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=588394&postcount=6
Apr 26 05:17:18 <asj> opdf2: no
Apr 26 05:18:38 <opdf2> asj:  i see ty
Apr 26 05:23:44 <crashanddie> Termana: I'm sick of the community, to be honest
Apr 26 05:24:06 <crashanddie> Termana: http://arrogantandcondescending.blogspot.com/2010/01/being-native-doesnt-give-you-any-rights.html
Apr 26 05:25:43 <asj> opdf2: no/
Apr 26 05:25:45 <asj> oops
Apr 26 05:25:53 <asj> crashanddie: did you write that drivel?
Apr 26 05:26:03 <crashanddie> aye
Apr 26 05:26:13 <asj> you don't know very much eh?
Apr 26 05:26:23 <crashanddie> asj: this was written a few months ago
Apr 26 05:26:34 <asj> so you know more now? :)
Apr 26 05:26:41 <crashanddie> pretty much
Apr 26 05:27:01 <crashanddie> You're going to nitpick on PalmOS using javascript/html for apps?
Apr 26 05:27:06 <asj> nope
Apr 26 05:27:08 <asj> WRT
Apr 26 05:27:12 <crashanddie> eh?
Apr 26 05:27:35 <crashanddie> WRT?
Apr 26 05:27:41 <asj> you have google>
Apr 26 05:27:43 <crashanddie> the router firmware?
Apr 26 05:27:49 <Stskeeps> web runtime
Apr 26 05:27:57 <tekojo> Morning all!
Apr 26 05:28:09 <frals> morning everyone o/
Apr 26 05:28:10 <asj> is a prime example I think
Apr 26 05:28:15 <crashanddie> asj: link?
Apr 26 05:28:27 <asj> crashanddie: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/
Apr 26 05:28:37 <crashanddie> please stop trolling
Apr 26 05:28:48 <crashanddie> either you want to inform me, and you provide source, or you shut the fuck up
Apr 26 05:29:05 <asj> I'm too busy to hold your hand
Apr 26 05:29:20 <crashanddie> wanker
Apr 26 05:30:07 <Stskeeps> uhm, another example of someone disagreeing with you and you getting rid of them without warning? :P
Apr 26 05:30:27 <tekojo> crashanddie haven't slept well?
Apr 26 05:30:36 <Stskeeps> okay, a bit of warning
Apr 26 05:30:36 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 26 05:30:52 <auenf> 5 second warning?
Apr 26 05:31:38 <crashanddie> don't tell me i'm a misinformed idiot without giving proper links
Apr 26 05:31:47 <crashanddie> I'll gladly accept being wrong, but don't ask me to run circles
Apr 26 05:32:08 <auenf> err, why are you using american formatted dates anyway?
Apr 26 05:32:10 <crashanddie> ask someone else to remove the ban, I can't be bothered
Apr 26 05:32:29 <crashanddie> auenf: never found how to change it in blogger
Apr 26 05:32:35 <Surfa> ...
Apr 26 05:32:39 <Stskeeps> WRT is fairly common knowledge it's web runtime when you are talking about maemo though
Apr 26 05:33:03 <crashanddie> anyway, later
Apr 26 05:33:05 <auenf> that would be the first trigger to dumping blogspot for me ;)
Apr 26 05:33:37 <crashanddie> auenf: a date? Well, it works for everything else
Apr 26 05:33:46 <crashanddie> and I don't need another account on another website
Apr 26 05:34:04 <auenf> they dont deserve international users if they dont allow international preferences
Apr 26 05:35:09 <auenf> and obviously you didnt look for the solution for too long, it took me 5 seconds to find it
Apr 26 05:35:47 <crashanddie> auenf: I think it's my skin actually, because the settings are configured to the UK date IIRC
Apr 26 05:38:11 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: my point still stands though, I never said that javascript was impossible on Maemo, I just said there isn't any platform that forces you to use javascript exclusively; no vendor is that stupid
Apr 26 05:38:25 <crashanddie> so asj's trolling was way out of line, as he didn't even understand what I was on about
Apr 26 05:38:29 <GeneralAntilles> Is it bad that I've profiled so many nicks on Talk to not read their posts? :(
Apr 26 05:38:44 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, psh, don't pretend your or I have never pulled similar shit. :P
Apr 26 05:38:54 <crashanddie> eh?
Apr 26 05:39:13 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, pick your battles, that one so wasn't worth the energy.
Apr 26 05:39:14 <crashanddie> yeah well
Apr 26 05:39:26 <crashanddie> i'm bored
Apr 26 05:39:33 <GeneralAntilles> Go play Altitude, then.
Apr 26 05:39:34 <crashanddie> anyway, later
Apr 26 05:39:42 <GeneralAntilles> ops isn't a good game
Apr 26 05:40:15 * Stskeeps nods
Apr 26 05:41:36 <GeneralAntilles> Yeesh, the Ari Keynote thread is on copyright on page 4.
Apr 26 05:42:00 <mece> GeneralAntilles, where? where?
Apr 26 05:42:06 <GeneralAntilles> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50924
Apr 26 05:44:27 * GeneralAntilles sees mwkn is up.
Apr 26 05:44:34 <mece> fuckety crap! My usb port hath busted become!
Apr 26 05:44:42 <GeneralAntilles> So everybody ready it and become a contributor! http://mwkn.net
Apr 26 05:44:44 <GeneralAntilles> mece, retail unit?
Apr 26 05:44:48 <mece> yep
Apr 26 05:44:57 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, fixed in production my ass.
Apr 26 05:45:03 <GeneralAntilles> Well, at least Nokia Care is aware of the issue.
Apr 26 05:45:12 <mece> should I call them or?
Apr 26 05:45:35 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, call them.
Apr 26 05:45:41 <GeneralAntilles> They should offer no resistance
Apr 26 05:45:46 <GeneralAntilles> If they do, ask for a supervisor.
Apr 26 05:49:41 <mece> Hmm I think I'll ask a local place first. They do nokia warranty repairs.
Apr 26 06:00:52 <opdf2> wow worldtv is pretty cool
Apr 26 06:02:17 <mece> opdf2, what does it do?
Apr 26 06:05:43 <opdf2> watch tv, podcasts, etc, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42848
Apr 26 06:06:07 <opdf2> the video is surprizingly good
Apr 26 06:07:47 <mece> wow.. got to check it out.
Apr 26 06:08:37 <pb_jelly> i love how kmplayer stays on the TV out while multitasking.
Apr 26 06:14:37 <yigal> Is the touch pro II the largest resistive screen at 3.6" with phone capabilities, smaller than 7"?
Apr 26 06:15:56 <yigal> Should I ask in talk?
Apr 26 06:16:18 <Stskeeps> if you add bacon in the topic somewhere, i think it qualifies here
Apr 26 06:16:18 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 26 06:17:47 <yigal> I've started on a largely vegan diet adding bacon isn't so appealing
Apr 26 06:18:27 <Stskeeps> tofu bacon, then
Apr 26 06:18:27 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 26 06:18:31 <yigal> How's this? Is the touch pro II the largest resistive screen at 3.6" with phone capabilities, smaller than 7" without bacon?
Apr 26 06:18:48 <Stskeeps> i actually wonder if that chinese tablet cloner is bigger
Apr 26 06:19:29 <Stskeeps> http://www.pocketables.net/2010/01/aigo-launches-feature-packed-n500-maemo-mid.html
Apr 26 06:20:14 <adeus> wow that's a handful
Apr 26 06:20:23 <yigal> St
Apr 26 06:20:44 <yigal> Oops using poor irc client
Apr 26 06:21:28 <yigal> But does that have cell phone cababilities?
Apr 26 06:23:07 <yigal> 128mb of ram well that's just not impressive
Apr 26 06:23:08 <opdf2> yigal:  its older, but Toshiba TG01
Apr 26 06:23:08 <Corsac> yigal: it seems so
Apr 26 06:25:04 <yigal> Interesting, it's just that the touch pro II has ubuntu and android running on it and of course winmo so it might have almost as much potential with maemo
Apr 26 06:26:11 <yigal> Of course 4.3" is the right size while 3.6" is only a little better than 3.5" by .1"
Apr 26 06:29:22 <yigal> The sharp netwalker is pretty cool though not released and only 6 hour battery life
Apr 26 06:31:14 <yigal> Fare enough
Apr 26 06:35:05 <MacDrunk> hello
Apr 26 06:36:24 <yigal> Hello
Apr 26 06:36:54 <MacDrunk> hmm hey any ideas if the new nokia n900 would be at 3gs 850mhz
Apr 26 06:37:05 <MacDrunk> i live out site the us
Apr 26 06:57:52 <yigal> Later
Apr 26 07:03:26 <auenf> lol, 'new' nokia n900
Apr 26 07:03:30 <mece> wow so went to a local nokia care outpost, which was a tiny company that makes nok repairs.
Apr 26 07:03:59 <asj> mece: where are you?
Apr 26 07:04:06 <pupnik> congrats
Apr 26 07:04:50 <mece> me: do you fix these? Clerk: yeah. me: usb's busted. Clerk: ok. What's your phonenumber. me: so you'll fix it? clerk: yeah. me: on warranty? clerk: yeah. Me: can I borrow a phone? clerak, yeah. Gives me a phone.
Apr 26 07:05:12 <Stskeeps> not bad
Apr 26 07:05:13 <mece> asj, turku
Apr 26 07:05:27 <mece> he said I'll have it this afternoon or tomorrow morning.
Apr 26 07:05:30 <hrw> morning
Apr 26 07:05:39 <asj> mece: you mean they're actually fixing it?
Apr 26 07:05:50 <mece> asj, yep.
Apr 26 07:06:06 <asj> mece: I think this is the only positive story I've heard about a Nokia Care point
Apr 26 07:06:32 <mece> asj, as long as there are no more complicated stuff that requires them to send it somewhere, but the usb part they fix on spot, he said.
Apr 26 07:06:33 <pupnik> people usually dont complain about good service
Apr 26 07:06:43 <mece> pupnik, true.
Apr 26 07:07:25 <mece> asj, he didnät even look at it, so I believe they have instructions to just fix usb ports on warranty.
Apr 26 07:07:56 <asj> pupnik: sure, even getting to our local "nokia care" point would get complaints
Apr 26 07:08:15 <mece> well, shouldn't cheer yet, since I don't have my phone back, but I'm pretty hopeful.
Apr 26 07:08:29 <asj> heh
Apr 26 07:08:58 <asj> usb is a week point eh? I haven't been following the problems list
Apr 26 07:10:40 <mece> asj, so it appears. Mine didn't come out. just stopped working. I got it charged last night by putting a weight on the charger plug so it pressed down..
Apr 26 07:11:21 <asj> mece: 2nd usb failure I've heard in a week,  I'll tell the guy he won't feel as bad
Apr 26 07:13:09 <mece> asj, yeah. I believe if he is denied a warranty claim, he should contact someone else. It's clearly a warranty worthy problem.
Apr 26 07:13:44 <asj> mece: <grin> we'll see what happens to it
Apr 26 07:14:04 <mece> asj, in which country is he?
Apr 26 07:14:12 <asj> mece: AU
Apr 26 07:14:32 <auenf> n900 isnt officially on sale in AU yet ;)
Apr 26 07:14:35 <mece> asj, hm.. well could be more difficult there though. yeah!
Apr 26 07:14:43 <auenf> nokia au wont touch it period
Apr 26 07:14:46 <asj> auenf: aiy :)
Apr 26 07:14:55 <auenf> well, not for another couple of weeks
Apr 26 07:15:09 <asj> is optus supposed to get it then?
Apr 26 07:15:12 <mece> auenf, is it coming to oz in a couple of weeks?
Apr 26 07:15:13 <auenf> and then, they'll probably see it wasnt sold in au originally
Apr 26 07:15:25 <auenf> it'll be out in oz when PR1.2 is out
Apr 26 07:15:36 <mece> ok. that's cool.
Apr 26 07:15:40 <auenf> roughly
Apr 26 07:15:52 <auenf> oz stock pretty much requires PR1.2
Apr 26 07:15:59 <asj> auenf: ah, maybe 1.2 will AU to the list of regions ;)
Apr 26 07:16:04 <auenf> au and nz
Apr 26 07:16:12 <auenf> it is listed as one of the bug fixes
Apr 26 07:16:20 <mece> i told the guy not to touch my software. And he was careful to write it down.
Apr 26 07:16:53 <asj> hehe, I loved the rucous that caused when it first came out "Austria...wtf is Australia???"
Apr 26 07:17:19 <auenf> the bug WAS wontfix for fremantle, fixed in harmattan
Apr 26 07:17:23 <auenf> but its now fixed in PR1.2 ;)
Apr 26 07:17:48 <asj> I wonder why they are bringing it to au
Apr 26 07:17:54 <auenf> if you search bmo for australia, you'll find it
Apr 26 07:18:14 <Surfa> is there a way to start ssh connection so that x-term becomes visible with a desktop widget or shortcut?
Apr 26 07:18:32 <asj> I know it sounds like an odd question, but the n900 is almost a research/experimental phone
Apr 26 07:18:40 <Surfa> what i mean is i wouldn't like to type "ssh blabla.com -l username" every time :)
Apr 26 07:18:52 <mece> Surfa, yes, if you have RSA key autentification
Apr 26 07:19:03 <auenf> if you dont bring the 'development' device to country n, then there will be pretty much 0 local applications for that country when the platform is properly launched
Apr 26 07:19:13 <mece> or well you could also do it so that you have to type in a password.
Apr 26 07:19:15 <asj> auenf: ah good point
Apr 26 07:19:21 <Surfa> mece, any other way?
Apr 26 07:20:12 <Surfa> i'd like just to get xterm launched and one command executed :)
Apr 26 07:20:21 <Surfa> then i can give password by typing it
Apr 26 07:20:22 <mece> Surfa, here: http://www.themaemo.com/howto-launch-a-terminal-app-from-a-shortcut-part-2/
Apr 26 07:20:32 <mece> Surfa, yes you can do that.
Apr 26 07:20:57 <adeus> I also have aliases
Apr 26 07:21:29 <mece> Surfa, you might have to make an alias for the whole command though. Haven't really tried it.
Apr 26 07:22:40 <Surfa> aliases isn't a problem, just to get a shortcut to get it executed.. but let me check that url
Apr 26 07:22:50 <jacekowski> morning
Apr 26 07:23:51 <Surfa> i somehow thought that someone would have created a widget that would do that directly :)
Apr 26 07:24:16 <Surfa> but what i found was one that simply shows output of a cmd what isn't actually what I'm looking for
Apr 26 07:41:08 <MacDrunk> hey
Apr 26 07:41:20 <MacDrunk> any nokia n9500 user here
Apr 26 07:41:23 <RST38h> You'll basically be allowed to browse and read the full versions of books while inside a Barnes and Noble outlet.
Apr 26 07:41:27 <RST38h> Hmmmm
Apr 26 07:41:49 <MacDrunk> need to know if nokia would realese a 850mhz 3g version
Apr 26 07:41:59 <RST38h> no.
Apr 26 07:42:11 <MacDrunk> ok
Apr 26 07:42:23 <asj> would be nice to get a 850mhz n900 version
Apr 26 07:42:27 <asj> oh well
Apr 26 07:42:27 <MacDrunk> yuo
Apr 26 07:42:59 <asj> MacDrunk: who's network do you want to run it on?
Apr 26 07:44:12 <auenf> AT&T or Telstra i assume ;)
Apr 26 07:44:24 <auenf> i know when telstra say they are getting the n900
Apr 26 07:44:27 <sheepbat> Telstra
Apr 26 07:44:32 <sheepbat> ...they are?
Apr 26 07:44:53 <auenf> but i dont believe they will get the n900 then, probably the sucessor
Apr 26 07:46:21 <asj> auenf: Telecom NZ (or what ever it is) is 850 too
Apr 26 07:47:36 <auenf> telecom nz have 2100/850
Apr 26 07:48:48 <auenf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XT_Mobile_Network
Apr 26 07:53:57 <MacDrunk> asj
Apr 26 07:54:09 <MacDrunk> on telcel mexico
Apr 26 07:56:14 <asj> MacDrunk: ah ok
Apr 26 07:58:47 <asj> auenf:  ah ok I wouldnt expect 2100 to cover very much, kinda like telstra 2100 coverage
Apr 26 08:08:50 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Apr 26 08:12:47 <MacDrunk> i think we would have 1900 and 1700 mhz spectrum for 3g on the end of this year or the middle of the 2011
Apr 26 08:13:02 <Stskeeps> dneary: re transitional development - how on earth is nokia going to solve them calling maemo6 meego then? :P
Apr 26 08:13:26 <dneary> Stskeeps, Missing context?
Apr 26 08:13:39 <Stskeeps> As I understand it, to call yourself MeeGo, you have to have all the
Apr 26 08:13:39 <Stskeeps> core components of the platform & applications as defined by the MeeGo
Apr 26 08:13:39 <Stskeeps> project, and must use them all. RPM is part of the core platform definition.
Apr 26 08:14:02 <Stskeeps> they intend on branding maemo6 meego, which is deb based
Apr 26 08:14:02 <dneary> Stskeeps, Seems simple to me - "needs to pass compliance tests" is the bar
Apr 26 08:14:02 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 26 08:14:20 <Stskeeps> mm
Apr 26 08:14:24 <dneary> So perhaps they'll ship RPM on there & argue that fulfills the requirement
Apr 26 08:14:43 <dneary> Or perhaps they will define an "interim phase" compliance test which will apply only to Nokia
Apr 26 08:14:57 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Apr 26 08:15:06 <dneary> Or perhaps the Linux Foundation will have a trademark usage agreement with Nokia to allow them a short-term exception
Apr 26 08:15:26 <RST38h> They will replace the second "e" in Meego with a cyrillic "e" and claim that it is a different brand name
Apr 26 08:15:46 <Stskeeps> RST38h: clever, you could work in marketing
Apr 26 08:15:53 <zash> Méègô
Apr 26 08:16:21 <derf> Is that like Sméagol?
Apr 26 08:16:40 <zash> haha, smeegol
Apr 26 08:17:12 <Stskeeps> m€€go, obviously, the european variant
Apr 26 08:18:10 <FIQ> m££go
Apr 26 08:18:19 <FIQ> the british one
Apr 26 08:21:10 <pupnik> oh man derf....
Apr 26 08:23:14 <jrocha> hi folks
Apr 26 08:23:26 <jrocha> how can I apply to have a mailing list for SeriesFinale?
Apr 26 08:23:35 <jrocha> couldn't find any mention on maemo.org
Apr 26 08:23:50 <d14> o/
Apr 26 08:25:11 <X-Fade> jrocha: In the admin section for your project.
Apr 26 08:25:33 <hrw> jrocha: or create one in google groups?
Apr 26 08:31:20 <jrocha> X-Fade, I'll check it out, thanks
Apr 26 08:32:09 <jrocha> X-Fade, by admin section, you mean the app page in Maemo.org? (I'm not using garage)
Apr 26 08:33:08 <X-Fade> jrocha: No, is only possible in garage project.
Apr 26 08:33:15 <jrocha> oh..
Apr 26 08:34:01 <jrocha> X-Fade, I gotta take two Aspirin before entering garage
Apr 26 08:34:15 <jrocha> X-Fade, it hurts my brain
Apr 26 08:40:33 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: btw, where did you get your querty mat?
Apr 26 08:47:10 <ccooke> Morning, all
Apr 26 08:49:50 <mece> anyone here who has time to try an fheroes2 thing?
Apr 26 08:50:03 <mece> I can't test it without my phone, see.
Apr 26 08:54:45 <ccooke> Not right now, sorry
Apr 26 08:57:30 <lcuk> morning maemo and ccooke \o
Apr 26 09:01:19 <matata> Wireless network "WEP Shared" not working on Maemo 5, is there any way to configure via command line ?
Apr 26 09:07:59 <Treibholz> matata: use WPA! :-)
Apr 26 09:08:48 <Treibholz> matata: anyway, WEP worked fine, last time I checked.
Apr 26 09:09:26 <Treibholz> matata: could you explain "not working" in more detail?
Apr 26 09:11:30 <pupnik> RST38h:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMoWt0wnlUw  USS Enterprise discovers Trolololo planet
Apr 26 09:17:27 <RST38h> pupnik: pure horror
Apr 26 09:18:49 <pupnik> i thought you'd like it :)
Apr 26 09:18:55 <asj> AWESOME
Apr 26 09:19:00 <asj> oops sorry
Apr 26 09:19:22 <pupnik> trolololo is indeed awe inspiring
Apr 26 09:20:19 <rmrfchik> I wonder, what can usefull be do with n810 now?
Apr 26 09:20:49 <asj> rmrfchik: tv out?
Apr 26 09:22:29 <chrisak> Still using my about 3 year old N800 as primary device while traveling round world. great device
Apr 26 09:23:11 <jacekowski> i prefer my n900
Apr 26 09:23:31 <rmrfchik> asj: on n810? how and why?
Apr 26 09:23:56 <jacekowski> but i was really suprised by nokia making device like n800 without builtin gsm/3g
Apr 26 09:23:57 <asj> rmrfchik: does it have it? maybe you could use it as a media player for the tv?
Apr 26 09:24:20 <lcuk> rmrfchik, interesting n8x0 project http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7xVOC8zI8o
Apr 26 09:25:00 <rmrfchik> yes, good side application. but why I ever want to switch my n810 now?
Apr 26 09:25:20 <rmrfchik> may be make a wall clock? or multimedia control..
Apr 26 09:25:21 <rmrfchik> dunno
Apr 26 09:25:23 <lcuk> i use one of my 810s as tvremote
Apr 26 09:25:35 <rmrfchik> how?
Apr 26 09:25:45 <rmrfchik> n810 has IR??
Apr 26 09:25:50 <lcuk> no
Apr 26 09:26:01 <lcuk> good old tcp back to my house computer
Apr 26 09:34:44 <Treibholz> the n900 has no IR, either? I found a lot of packages for TV-remote-stuff...
Apr 26 09:35:34 <lcuk> Treibholz, it has IR tx
Apr 26 09:36:16 <Treibholz> cool, where is the transmitter?
Apr 26 09:36:56 <pupnik> wow lcuk - telescope: a maemo5 like task-switcher for diablo!  nice job Denel Olivo :)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7xVOC8zI8o
Apr 26 09:37:02 <Treibholz> I have about 5 remotes on my living-room, but the logitech-toys are to expensive :-)
Apr 26 09:38:17 <lcuk> yeah pupnik
Apr 26 09:42:27 <ccooke> Treibholz: the transmitter is just to the right of the camera button IIRC
Apr 26 09:42:36 <ccooke> *checks* yep, there it is
Apr 26 09:43:31 <Treibholz> I think I'll try this :-)
Apr 26 09:45:03 <hrw> that reminds me that I have 3 remotes to scan and import to n900
Apr 26 09:45:39 <Shapeshifter> how to "scan" remotes?
Apr 26 09:46:50 <Jaffa> X-Fade: ping (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9070 should be FIXED, right?)
Apr 26 09:46:51 <povbot> Bug 9070: Autobuilder can't find "sharing-dialog-dev" (the package is in the SDK repo)
Apr 26 09:47:11 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Yeah, that should be resolved now.
Apr 26 09:47:54 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Done. Ta.
Apr 26 09:48:32 <nid0> Shapeshifter: any machine with an ir rx + lirc
Apr 26 09:50:33 <mece> I see that eldarmurtazin is back with the maemo hate...
Apr 26 09:50:39 <mece> fun times ahead :D
Apr 26 09:51:03 <achipa> X-Fade: heya. Do I remember correctly you saying (my) old packages (=in extras) build okay with the new qt packages ?
Apr 26 09:51:46 <X-Fade> achipa: No, wasn't me :)
Apr 26 09:52:05 <achipa> X-Fade: duh. damn those dreams
Apr 26 09:52:29 <X-Fade> I said that older qt apps run on PR1.2 == newer Qt.
Apr 26 09:52:32 <achipa> anyhoo... so any ideas on what happens to those packages that currently depend on qt in extras ? we kill them all or ?
Apr 26 09:53:09 <achipa> X-Fade: but... but... (intelligence check fail) I have to get a coffee
Apr 26 09:53:29 <X-Fade> achipa: Depend on libqt4 or qt4-maemo5 ?
Apr 26 09:54:19 <achipa> X-Fade: no. let me give an example - python2.5-qt4 depends on, say, QtHelp which was removed in PR1.2
Apr 26 09:54:47 <hrw> achipa: so it should fail
Apr 26 09:54:54 <achipa> X-Fade: but there are other apps that depend on python2.5-qt4 that indirectly become uninstallable, too
Apr 26 09:55:08 <achipa> (they are wrong to depend on it, but hey)
Apr 26 09:55:18 <X-Fade> achipa: So there needs to be a new version in fremantle-1.2 extras then.
Apr 26 09:55:59 <achipa> X-Fade: so basically these packages will appear as uninstallable until the 10 quarantine for the new ver passes ?
Apr 26 09:56:10 <achipa> (I have the fixed and working package already in extras-devel)
Apr 26 09:56:26 <X-Fade> achipa: We might make some exceptions if there is a need.
Apr 26 09:57:00 <achipa> I would have to check how many apps/libs depend on such removed packages...
Apr 26 09:57:05 <achipa> (my guess, pyqt only :) )
Apr 26 09:57:29 <X-Fade> A quick grep will tell :)
Apr 26 09:58:03 <achipa> X-Fade: it might be hidden (in a pyqt app for example)
Apr 26 09:59:44 <achipa> anyway, just to let you know there is potential for some packagemongering there
Apr 26 10:00:03 <dima202> I have a feeling they will release it today
Apr 26 10:00:04 <X-Fade> Yeah, well I guess that will be a case by case thing anyway.
Apr 26 10:00:38 <X-Fade> achipa: I don't object pushing pyqt if that fixes things for PR1.2 extras apps.
Apr 26 10:00:44 * SpeedEvil inspects the entrails of a frog for clues.
Apr 26 10:00:49 * dima202 farts 
Apr 26 10:00:50 <dima202> nvm
Apr 26 10:00:53 * SpeedEvil finds that X-Fade shot JFK!
Apr 26 10:01:08 <SpeedEvil> Nothing on PR1.2 date though.
Apr 26 10:01:17 <bibounefr> Hello
Apr 26 10:01:23 <SpeedEvil> Hello!
Apr 26 10:01:30 <X-Fade> SpeedEvil: Well if I tell you, I'd need to shoot you :)
Apr 26 10:01:31 <achipa> X-Fade: I actually DO want it to go through extras-testing because of the changes, to see whether people can painlessly upgrade from PR1.1
Apr 26 10:01:32 <SpeedEvil> Goodbye!
Apr 26 10:01:50 <achipa> X-Fade: the question is just what happens to apps depending on it in the meantime
Apr 26 10:02:05 <X-Fade> achipa: well then you can push it.
Apr 26 10:02:22 <X-Fade> Although if it breaks, you get to keep ...
Apr 26 10:02:23 <dima202> Do you recommend wiping the N900 clean before upgradeing?
Apr 26 10:02:54 <SpeedEvil> dima202: well - any grit might cause a scratched screen.
Apr 26 10:02:56 <X-Fade> achipa: How many apps in extras depend on pyqt?
Apr 26 10:03:00 <SpeedEvil> dima202: but it shouldn't be needed.
Apr 26 10:03:18 <Corsac> if meego 1.0 is out before PR1.2 that'll be kind-of funny
Apr 26 10:03:27 <SpeedEvil> dima202: The over-the-air upgrade process is designed to be painful, and to not break stuff.
Apr 26 10:03:31 <X-Fade> Corsac: Why?
Apr 26 10:03:35 <SpeedEvil> s/ful/less/
Apr 26 10:03:36 <SpeedEvil> oops
Apr 26 10:03:46 <SpeedEvil> (though it may not work)
Apr 26 10:03:48 <X-Fade> Corsac: Do you really expect MeeGo 1.0 to be a useable phone? :)
Apr 26 10:03:58 <Corsac> not really
Apr 26 10:03:59 <mece> when you run something from cli, you run it from current directory. Is there a way to define from where you run a binary via a .desktop file?
Apr 26 10:04:25 <SpeedEvil> mece: #!/bin/sh cd ...
Apr 26 10:04:32 <Corsac> X-Fade: but it was announced way later than pr1.2, is supposingly way more complicated, even if not complete
Apr 26 10:04:41 <lcuk> mece, i did that by making .desktop call a script which was start location agnostic
Apr 26 10:05:01 <mece> lcuk, yeah, but I don't know how to do the start location agnostic part.
Apr 26 10:05:05 <mece> I already have a script
Apr 26 10:05:06 <X-Fade> Corsac: MeeGo will be just a base platform for quite a while (for phones at least)
Apr 26 10:05:08 <dima202> we'll se
Apr 26 10:05:09 <achipa> X-Fade: okay, not that many, 7 if my quick grepping is correct
Apr 26 10:05:12 <mece> waitup
Apr 26 10:05:16 <lcuk> in your script cd to specific required folder
Apr 26 10:05:40 <dima202> Anyone port ftpfs btw?
Apr 26 10:05:40 <X-Fade> Corsac: Not realy something you can use without the device maker part slapped on top of it.
Apr 26 10:05:51 <achipa> (in Extras, didn't check -testing)
Apr 26 10:05:54 <mece> lcuk jsut regular cd? cool.
Apr 26 10:05:56 <X-Fade> Can use, as in, end-user.
Apr 26 10:05:57 <phellarv> scratchbox did not like changing IP and NIC.
Apr 26 10:06:17 <mece> like
Apr 26 10:06:18 <mece> !#/bin/sh
Apr 26 10:06:18 <mece> cd /opt/asdfdir
Apr 26 10:06:18 <mece> asdf
Apr 26 10:06:21 <lcuk> mece yeah within a script if you cd - subsequent commands will take place relative to that folder
Apr 26 10:06:24 <mece> oops. sorry bout the spam
Apr 26 10:06:28 <lcuk> ./asdf
Apr 26 10:06:28 <X-Fade> achipa: So we can easily test those apps manually if we want.
Apr 26 10:06:31 <lcuk> but yeah
Apr 26 10:06:43 <achipa> X-Fade: deal
Apr 26 10:06:48 * asj is tired of waiting for pr1.2 already, they should have put less into it and released it already
Apr 26 10:06:48 <lcuk> asdf will use the global path variables
Apr 26 10:06:51 <mece> lcuk, thanks. I'll try that.
Apr 26 10:06:55 <lcuk> ./asdf will run from current folder
Apr 26 10:06:59 <mece> lcuk, once I get my phone back. Sigh.
Apr 26 10:09:42 <lcuk> i just realised ive got a 20" multitouch device here - im gonna find one of hte large n900 surrounds and make an uber n90000
Apr 26 10:09:46 * Arkenoi wonders if we will get nokia maps update with pr1.2
Apr 26 10:10:36 <sECuRE> probably not, i think
Apr 26 10:10:46 <sECuRE> it wasn't in the changelog, afair
Apr 26 10:11:13 <ccooke> Arkenoi: it would be surprising if we get a nokia maps update in pr1.3, even. 1.2 I would be *amazed*
Apr 26 10:11:18 <SpeedEvil> asj: they did put less into it!
Apr 26 10:11:29 <SpeedEvil> asj: the freeze was ages ago AIUI.
Apr 26 10:15:06 <Treibholz> ccooke: you mean: with voice? :-)
Apr 26 10:15:08 <asj> SpeedEvil: aiui?
Apr 26 10:15:23 <SpeedEvil> As I  Understand It
Apr 26 10:15:34 <Treibholz> http://xkcd.com/732/
Apr 26 10:15:49 <asj> SpeedEvil: yes, I beleive it was
Apr 26 10:15:56 <ccooke> Treibholz: yes.
Apr 26 10:16:16 <ccooke> well, really: With the features they have recently brought to Symbian for free.
Apr 26 10:16:59 <Treibholz> btw.: is it possible, to predownload a map? Traveling to another country would otherwise be _very_ expensive.
Apr 26 10:17:22 <SpeedEvil> Treibholz: for what? you mean ovi amps?
Apr 26 10:17:28 <lcuk> Treibholz, yes its possible with ovi maps
Apr 26 10:17:50 <Treibholz> the n900 has 'ovi maps', right?
Apr 26 10:17:53 <sECuRE> sygic beats ovi maps in every way, IMO
Apr 26 10:18:07 <sECuRE> (comes with maps for europe)
Apr 26 10:18:14 <flux> secure, even in price?-)
Apr 26 10:18:22 <TigerTael> haha
Apr 26 10:18:34 <sECuRE> in price for what you get, sure
Apr 26 10:18:43 <TigerTael> Disagree.
Apr 26 10:18:52 <SpeedEvil> Treibholz: It does.
Apr 26 10:19:11 <SpeedEvil> Treibholz: however - the version for n900 does not have turn-by-turn navigation.
Apr 26 10:19:21 <Treibholz> ok, I'll try this in summer for Serbia! :-)
Apr 26 10:19:22 <SpeedEvil> Treibholz: and is somewhat clunky.
Apr 26 10:19:40 <asj> and leads to the n900 overheating and powering down...
Apr 26 10:20:01 <Treibholz> my old GPS in the car always crashes around Belgrade.
Apr 26 10:22:17 <ccooke> asj: ouch. Really?
Apr 26 10:24:27 <asj> ccooke: it was in the sun on the tank bag on my motorcycle, and the sun here is strong...but...hey it should be able to take direct sun right?
Apr 26 10:27:03 <akumar1> Please any one help me.
Apr 26 10:27:14 <akumar1> I am using Maemo5 SDK with Qt in ubuntu.
Apr 26 10:27:24 <achipa> Treibholz: it detect the traffic black-hole Belgrade is
Apr 26 10:27:24 <akumar1> I want to play video in Maemo5 SDK widget using gstreamer. I compiled and run gstreamer code successfully in Linux platform. but when i run on Maemo5 scratchbox  then it is not display in scratchbox.
Apr 26 10:27:29 <achipa> detects*
Apr 26 10:28:12 <lcuk> akumar1, try it on device
Apr 26 10:28:14 <matata> Treibholz, ok thank you. for unknown reason, it works fine after reboot the device !!!
Apr 26 10:28:20 <mece> why the frak am I getting dh_strip: command returned error code 256
Apr 26 10:28:20 <mece> make: *** [binary-arch] Error 1
Apr 26 10:28:29 <akumar1> for this i have written below teo line,
Apr 26 10:28:29 <akumar1> QApplication :: syncX ();
Apr 26 10:28:29 <akumar1> akumar:   gst_x_overlay_set_xwindow_id (GST_X_OVERLAY (videosink), frame->winId ());
Apr 26 10:28:40 <lcuk> achipa, my missus used to think gps didnt connect because it was rush hour and too many people were using it
Apr 26 10:29:07 <achipa> lcuk: Treibholz : You need to remember, traffic in Serbia is like the Matrix. Some of the rules can be bent, others can be broken.
Apr 26 10:29:09 <akumar1> videosink is created using autovideosink.
Apr 26 10:29:16 <TigerTael> lol
Apr 26 10:31:33 <mece> what's should my Architecture line be like if I want both x86 and armel versions?
Apr 26 10:31:52 <mece> in control file
Apr 26 10:31:53 <achipa> mece: make sure you show your ID, strip might be limited to 18+
Apr 26 10:32:05 <X-Fade> mece: any
Apr 26 10:32:07 <achipa> mece: what do you mean 'both' ?
Apr 26 10:32:13 <mece> both
Apr 26 10:32:14 <mece> aah
Apr 26 10:32:16 <mece> yes thanks.
Apr 26 10:32:23 <mece> well which one+
Apr 26 10:32:25 <mece> ?
Apr 26 10:32:34 <X-Fade> any, both is not valid ;)
Apr 26 10:32:46 <mece> I guess both will work. I'm trying to test stuff in scratchbox, now that I don't have my n900
Apr 26 10:32:46 <achipa> yes, yes, but 'any' is not x86 & armel (nitpicking, I know)
Apr 26 10:32:48 <mece> ok
Apr 26 10:32:58 <mece> ok, well I'll put any.
Apr 26 10:33:00 <mece> for now.
Apr 26 10:33:35 <X-Fade> any means build for any architecture the builder supports.
Apr 26 10:36:41 <mece> OMG!
Apr 26 10:37:05 <mece> they fixed my phone! It took 3 hours and 37 minutes!
Apr 26 10:37:19 <SpeedEvil> What was wrong with it?
Apr 26 10:37:19 <Lynoure> That's fast.
Apr 26 10:37:23 <mece> usb port
Apr 26 10:37:49 <Lynoure> That sounds like the most common problem people have with the hardware
Apr 26 10:37:50 <SpeedEvil> do they replace the motherboard, or resolder?
Apr 26 10:37:58 <SpeedEvil> I wonder what happens with the old motherboards
Apr 26 10:38:00 <mece> SpeedEvil, resolder I believe.
Apr 26 10:38:18 <mece> SpeedEvil, at least the guy hinted that they'll resolder the part.
Apr 26 10:38:44 <mece> now to get some one to sit my sick kids while I fetch it.
Apr 26 10:55:45 <arachnist> hi
Apr 26 10:55:55 <arachnist> any news on pr1.2?
Apr 26 10:56:08 <SpeedEvil> It's been cancelled. Along with christmas.
Apr 26 10:58:40 <d14> :))
Apr 26 10:59:55 <squidd> 2
Apr 26 11:01:44 <andre__> arachnist, no update icon blinking here on my N900. hence no news.
Apr 26 11:03:41 <RST38h> PR1.2 is only hoing to be available in Chinese. So, you should change your language to Chinese and it will automagically appear!
Apr 26 11:03:44 * RST38h hides
Apr 26 11:03:50 <frals> so how the hell are you suppose to get a hold of proper diet coke in HEL?
Apr 26 11:04:12 <adeus> well you cant
Apr 26 11:04:18 <adeus> it'se illegal to sell them as "diet" :)
Apr 26 11:04:19 <X-Fade> frals: Not at the airport at least.
Apr 26 11:04:24 <MohammadAG> rofl
Apr 26 11:04:31 <frals> well, coke light or whatever
Apr 26 11:04:41 <arachnist> HEL?
Apr 26 11:04:41 <frals> only seen regular and coke zero in the supermarkets
Apr 26 11:04:47 <frals> helsinki
Apr 26 11:04:51 <arachnist> there's a city in poland named "Hel"
Apr 26 11:05:00 <Stskeeps> frals: real finns drink vodka instead of diet coke
Apr 26 11:05:01 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 26 11:05:02 <MohammadAG> helsinki, even I got it
Apr 26 11:05:14 <MohammadAG> diet vodka? :P
Apr 26 11:05:26 <frals> also, the n900 gps is fucking horrible without a-gps on
Apr 26 11:05:27 <adeus> there should be light as well
Apr 26 11:05:41 <RST38h> frals: coke is bad for you anyway
Apr 26 11:05:50 <frals> walked from helsinki centre to my hotel which is like 10-15min, didnt manage to get a lock :<
Apr 26 11:05:53 <Stskeeps> frals: i decided after a bit a simple online/offline was more worth my time than not having it
Apr 26 11:06:03 <RST38h> frals: but the finns sell passable juice
Apr 26 11:06:22 <MohammadAG> frals, lol my N95 went from 7 bars to 0 in germany without a single satellite lock
Apr 26 11:07:40 <adeus> with the bluetooth gps module and n800, I managed to drive from tampere to helsinki without a lock
Apr 26 11:08:02 <frals> on a completly different note, am i the only one who feels bad when i press reply all and its like 7ppl on there who might or might not care about the mail? :D
Apr 26 11:09:59 <Corsac> X-Fade: you missed my point though
Apr 26 11:10:56 <Corsac> X-Fade: it's just that pr 1.2 is an upgrade scheduled since ages, which, as far as we know, has been feature-frozen since quite some time, and with an already released sdk
Apr 26 11:11:34 <X-Fade> Corsac: Sure, but that doesn't mean that development stopped.
Apr 26 11:12:17 <MiXu-> I prefer waiting an extra 6 weeks instead of having a half-assed upgrade.
Apr 26 11:12:17 <adeus> especially if/when there are regressions in it
Apr 26 11:12:56 <hrw> heh.. maemo5 voip support suxx
Apr 26 11:13:17 <hrw> where voip == sip
Apr 26 11:13:46 <hrw> one operator can login but not make calls, other can not even login but (as usual under maemo) no information what fail
Apr 26 11:13:51 <frals> hmm talk down
Apr 26 11:16:43 <jacekowski> voip suxxx
Apr 26 11:28:38 <hrw> jacekowski: it does, but sometimes work require to use it
Apr 26 11:31:58 <DocScrutinizer> works like a charm here, since N810. You mustn't blame Nokia for all the idiocies any arbitrary SIP provider may or may not implement and suggest you use his wrecked softphone exclusively to access their service
Apr 26 11:33:18 <bilboed-pi> no really, the sip support sucks on the n900
Apr 26 11:33:39 <bilboed-pi> using standard providers that work flawlessly with several other sip phones
Apr 26 11:33:47 <DocScrutinizer> SIP + NAT is a tragical topic. Alas in most cases you don't have full controll over the NAT you're behind with a device like N900
Apr 26 11:34:02 <bilboed-pi> (on a fully controlled network)
Apr 26 11:34:24 <DocScrutinizer> no issues here, works like a charm with sipgate.de
Apr 26 11:36:10 <DocScrutinizer> both over WLAN with a NAT on my router I admin myself, as well as over german GSM provider O2 which also has a NAT but seems to work considerably correct
Apr 26 11:36:10 * zaheerm just uses sip with local asterisk server, so never have had issues on n900 with sip
Apr 26 11:36:46 * Arkenoi has almost no problems with SIP
Apr 26 11:37:00 <DocScrutinizer> see ? :-)
Apr 26 11:41:20 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: nevertheless I agree - though just for the provider part, as most of them either don't cling to the RFC or simply have too many downtimes and service glitches
Apr 26 11:41:44 <DocScrutinizer> or usually both
Apr 26 11:44:52 <Ken-Young> Does anyone know how I can clear all PIM data from an N900 so that I can resync it ab initio with a gmail account?
Apr 26 11:45:21 <Psi> hi, does anyone know if the flashlight app is safe
Apr 26 11:45:22 <DocScrutinizer> reset to factory?
Apr 26 11:45:37 <DocScrutinizer> flashlight is great
Apr 26 11:45:40 <Psi> i mean, was the n900 designed to have its flash leds on continiously
Apr 26 11:45:40 <fcrozat> Ken-Young: calendar or addressbook ?
Apr 26 11:45:49 <DocScrutinizer> Psi: yes
Apr 26 11:46:00 <Psi> ok
Apr 26 11:46:06 <Ken-Young> fcrozat, Both.   email too.
Apr 26 11:46:20 <pancake> how can I add a program in the startup (rc2.d) in maemo? doesnt seems to work like in standard debian
Apr 26 11:46:30 <Psi> i was just worried they might be overdriven due to only being pulsed, and might overheat and burnout if on all the time
Apr 26 11:46:34 <jacekowski> Ken-Young: files in ~/
Apr 26 11:46:41 <fcrozat> Ken-Young: you could reflash the device ;) or just try to remove main calendar (it will be refused but it will ask you if you want to remove all events in it)
Apr 26 11:46:48 <jacekowski> pancake: n900 uses upstart
Apr 26 11:46:58 <DocScrutinizer> Psi: the way flashlight implements it, it's ok. You got a second 'high power' mode that is allowed for a max of iirc 500ms
Apr 26 11:46:59 <pancake> uhm ok
Apr 26 11:47:06 <jacekowski> pancake: ubuntu thing
Apr 26 11:47:17 <jacekowski> pancake: and debian testing or unstable uses it as well
Apr 26 11:47:17 <fcrozat> and try to remove email account (it should remove stored emails on your device)
Apr 26 11:47:28 <pancake> long time i dont check debian i htink ;)
Apr 26 11:47:31 <Psi> DocScrutinizer: ah, thanks
Apr 26 11:48:07 <jacekowski> Psi: LEDs ussualy are designed to have 100% duty cycle
Apr 26 11:48:23 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: not N900 flash-LEDs though
Apr 26 11:48:35 <jacekowski> same here
Apr 26 11:48:39 <Psi> most led datasheets have rated current and max current at 10% duty
Apr 26 11:48:41 <jacekowski> just more heat produced
Apr 26 11:49:09 <Psi> 10% duty 1khz is quite common
Apr 26 11:50:18 <DocScrutinizer> Psi: jacekowski: check driver sources, it's mentioned in there - sth like "80mA continuous, 340mA max 500ms"
Apr 26 11:50:33 <jacekowski> yeah, overheating issues
Apr 26 11:50:37 <Psi> yeah
Apr 26 11:51:18 <DocScrutinizer> yes, there's no heatsink on the power LEDs
Apr 26 11:51:41 <jacekowski> there are some LEDs with heatsinks
Apr 26 11:51:54 * jacekowski has couple of them on shelf
Apr 26 11:52:18 <Psi> there are what look like tiny spiral heatsinks on the n900 leds, if you look close
Apr 26 11:52:41 <DocScrutinizer> not the N900 ones though - a PCB of maybe 5mm width and no large convection area anywhere in vicinity
Apr 26 11:52:50 <Psi> jacekowski: nice, what kinda, i have a few 900lm 2.8A leds around here somewhere
Apr 26 11:52:57 <lcuk> those arent heatsinks, they are slides for hte electrons to go down so they retain their spin later in the circuit
Apr 26 11:53:15 <DocScrutinizer> Psi: ?? spiral heatsinks?
Apr 26 11:53:41 <Psi> DocScrutinizer: yeah, look at the leds
Apr 26 11:53:54 <Psi> there is some metal there which is doing something
Apr 26 11:54:18 <lcuk> psi - picture..
Apr 26 11:54:41 <Psi> you want me to take a pic so you dont have to turn your phone over?
Apr 26 11:55:53 <lcuk> focusing rings or on the led substrate itself?
Apr 26 11:56:03 <DocScrutinizer> Psi: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/images/n900_02.jpeg  I look at the LEDs (lower end middle, the 2 white blobs on the small part of the PCB) - where are those spiral heatsinks?
Apr 26 11:56:59 <DocScrutinizer> Psi: I guess what you see are the Fresnel lenses in front of the LEDs
Apr 26 11:57:43 <Psi> i would take a pic but my 40d died today :(
Apr 26 11:59:42 <Psi> DocScrutinizer: intertesting, definitly not in the pic
Apr 26 12:00:45 <DocScrutinizer> you also see what I meant by 'no decent PCB heatsink area'
Apr 26 12:02:25 <Psi> yeah
Apr 26 12:02:26 <DocScrutinizer> Psi: there are concentric rings in the clear plastic lenses in front of the LEDs
Apr 26 12:02:47 <Psi> oh, i think i see what you mean
Apr 26 12:02:53 <Psi> yeah, they could be marks on the plastic inside
Apr 26 12:06:18 * MohammadAG grumbles
Apr 26 12:06:26 <MohammadAG> someone on tmo is pissing me off
Apr 26 12:06:46 <MohammadAG> sure, overclocking is safe cause no one reported failures
Apr 26 12:07:03 <Stskeeps> just like flying in ash never hurt anyone
Apr 26 12:07:04 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 26 12:07:12 <Psi> heh
Apr 26 12:07:14 <mece> lol
Apr 26 12:07:24 <MohammadAG> rofl
Apr 26 12:07:51 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: invite him to this chan, so we can kickban him forever ;-P
Apr 26 12:08:07 <MohammadAG> lol would he know how to join it
Apr 26 12:08:14 <MohammadAG> even Matan is backing him up
Apr 26 12:09:59 <DocScrutinizer> that's strange. Matan isn't a hw-crack, so I'd think he would refrain from such EE related statements
Apr 26 12:10:00 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, should i invite him? :P
Apr 26 12:10:00 <X-Fade> Problem is that it might well be harmless, you never know until it fails :)
Apr 26 12:10:31 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, he's spreading bs facts and calling me retarted so....
Apr 26 12:10:36 <X-Fade> And failure can come tomorrow or in 4 years.
Apr 26 12:10:48 <DocScrutinizer> and smoking also is harmless, until you eventually get lung cancer
Apr 26 12:10:54 * DocScrutinizer lights up a cig
Apr 26 12:10:54 <MohammadAG> I hope his device fails when pr1.2 appears
Apr 26 12:10:57 <MohammadAG> xD
Apr 26 12:11:04 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: Matan's not bad at what he does fwiw
Apr 26 12:11:26 <Psi> fyi space quest 4 running in dosbox is quite playable.
Apr 26 12:11:27 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, he's seeing user experience is better than an engineer's test results
Apr 26 12:11:38 <DocScrutinizer> matan is brilliant - that's wjy I thought he knows what he doesn't know
Apr 26 12:11:38 <Stskeeps> weeelll
Apr 26 12:11:39 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 26 12:11:44 * MohammadAG wants to resign from talk.maemo.org
Apr 26 12:11:44 <gouverneur> ahahahhaaaa
Apr 26 12:11:51 <gouverneur> *moan*
Apr 26 12:11:58 <Stskeeps> tests can't cover everything obviously
Apr 26 12:12:00 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: resign from being a mod?
Apr 26 12:12:09 <MohammadAG> resign from being a user
Apr 26 12:12:30 * crashanddie hands MohammadAG a rope
Apr 26 12:12:42 <gouverneur> can anyone tell me what is normal for xorg (CPU MEM) for no apps running but top?!
Apr 26 12:12:56 * MohammadAG wonders what to do with it
Apr 26 12:13:04 <crashanddie> wouldn't top mean xterm is running too?
Apr 26 12:13:16 <gouverneur> crashanddie: sshd
Apr 26 12:13:18 <lcuk> i believe he meant for an idle machine
Apr 26 12:13:30 * MohammadAG strangles the baron
Apr 26 12:13:33 <MohammadAG> -the
Apr 26 12:13:50 <gouverneur> ~curse xorg
Apr 26 12:13:51 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, xorg !
Apr 26 12:14:10 <crashanddie> gouverneur: between 6 and 10% mem, and 1% CPU I'd say
Apr 26 12:14:15 <DocScrutinizer> baron von DADA
Apr 26 12:14:54 <gouverneur> crashanddie: ty
Apr 26 12:14:59 <DocScrutinizer> s/DADA/GAGA/
Apr 26 12:14:59 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: baron von GAGA
Apr 26 12:15:19 <gouverneur> now is everything ok but cpu was between 6 an 20%...
Apr 26 12:15:42 <MiXu-> Remember that the CPU usage percentage is relative.
Apr 26 12:15:48 <AndrewFBlack> MohammadAG: you wouldn't be the first to resign from t.m.o as a user
Apr 26 12:16:12 <gouverneur> desktop froze again saturday night, but I was out partiing and ran out of battery to have a closer look
Apr 26 12:16:17 <AndrewFBlack> Good Morning everyone btw
Apr 26 12:16:28 <Termana> good morning AndrewFBlack
Apr 26 12:16:29 <gouverneur> AndrewFBlack: hi andreqw
Apr 26 12:16:44 <MohammadAG> hey AndrewFBlack :)
Apr 26 12:16:52 <crashanddie> oh wow, new high for CSI Miami: "When lightning strikes specific metals, it makes them magnetous"
Apr 26 12:17:21 <gouverneur> as long as I got no power over the braintorm.maemo I miss the sense of even looking after the forum anymore
Apr 26 12:17:54 <crashanddie> gouverneur: you're Reggie now?
Apr 26 12:18:21 <AndrewFBlack> crashanddie: Reggie isn't even Reggie anymore
Apr 26 12:18:32 <crashanddie> oooh, deep
Apr 26 12:18:37 <AndrewFBlack> thank you
Apr 26 12:18:49 <crashanddie> you're very welcome
Apr 26 12:19:09 <chem|st> seems like everyone who was working on maemo is now on meego and that sucks
Apr 26 12:19:42 <MiXu-> *rolleyes*
Apr 26 12:19:58 <AndrewFBlack> I know right now on t.m.o mod forum section we can't even get Reggie to respond to us
Apr 26 12:20:21 <crashanddie> took me a week him to remove my mod rights :P
Apr 26 12:20:23 <DocScrutinizer> *tell chem|st about maemo-obsolete
Apr 26 12:20:25 <chem|st> the bugs are resolved but if you don't have access to the controlpanel managing things it doesn't help you that the controlpanel has new functions
Apr 26 12:20:34 <DocScrutinizer> ~tell chem|st about maemo-obsolete
Apr 26 12:20:38 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, and how do you feel? :P
Apr 26 12:20:50 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: a lot better
Apr 26 12:21:20 <Termana> yeah, cause now he can just arse around the chat room
Apr 26 12:21:47 <crashanddie> that didn't change :P
Apr 26 12:22:02 <AndrewFBlack> would it be wrong to post on meego forums that we would like people not to forget that our phones still run maemo right now lol
Apr 26 12:22:02 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: well but maemo stays maemo and the maemo community wont vanish after meego goes productive, will it?
Apr 26 12:22:02 <mece> LOL
Apr 26 12:22:43 * mece got no love for meego atm.
Apr 26 12:23:28 <MohammadAG> at least it'll take away the trolls
Apr 26 12:23:48 <chem|st> mece: why should I? the best step would be to keep it maemo for the nokia devices, based on meego instead of debian
Apr 26 12:23:53 <DocScrutinizer> I'd not bet on that
Apr 26 12:24:18 <AndrewFBlack> mece: I don't have much love for my n900 at all right now
Apr 26 12:24:18 <chem|st> trolls follow the smell not something intelligent though
Apr 26 12:24:50 <chem|st> AndrewFBlack: as long as the desktop doesnt get stuck its okay reliable and fast
Apr 26 12:25:22 <mece> AndrewFBlack, I looooove my N900.
Apr 26 12:25:31 <AndrewFBlack> chem|st: Its not the phones problem its just the whole thing isn't that enjoy able right now
Apr 26 12:25:37 <mece> AndrewFBlack, eventhough I broke my usb port yesterday.
Apr 26 12:25:42 <chem|st> AndrewFBlack: true
Apr 26 12:26:06 <chem|st> mece: well and its fixed and ready to pick up, isn't it?
Apr 26 12:26:17 <mece> chem|st, yeah, but I
Apr 26 12:26:18 <mece> m
Apr 26 12:26:20 <mece> oops
Apr 26 12:26:38 <mece> I'm stuck at home with 4 sick kids, and can't pick it up right now. It's annoying as hell.
Apr 26 12:26:45 <lcuk> AndrewFBlack, what would make it enjoyable for you
Apr 26 12:27:06 <mece> lcuk, Lasers! I want lasers attatched to it's head.
Apr 26 12:27:25 <mece> lcuk, you're still working on that, right?
Apr 26 12:27:37 <lcuk> mece we already reviewed this in bug 12048 (maybe redacted) and found we could not fit the shark inside the device
Apr 26 12:27:38 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12048 was not found.
Apr 26 12:27:55 <AndrewFBlack> lcuk: thats a very good questions, and I think I might have just got a PM about it
Apr 26 12:28:17 <chem|st> I am more concerned about the PR1.2 SDK update being *month ahead of the PR1.2 for N900, the website being stuck, bugs getting no attention, bugs being filed as enhancement but known as serious bugs...
Apr 26 12:28:28 <mece> lcuk, damn. Did you try the shrink-ray on the shark?
Apr 26 12:28:43 <lcuk> bugs certainly are getting attention chem|st
Apr 26 12:29:18 <chem|st> I guess a bug filed 2008 still open is getting no attention
Apr 26 12:29:33 <lcuk> is it a vital bug?
Apr 26 12:29:45 <lcuk> post its mb#
Apr 26 12:30:11 <chem|st> I know that this is not an overall issue but some things are still missing
Apr 26 12:30:20 <lcuk> AndrewFBlack, private messages dont make happy open source stuff tho :p
Apr 26 12:30:44 <AndrewFBlack> lcuk: its open source information someone just posted me the link
Apr 26 12:30:51 <pupnik> lcuk, do you think individual developers could sign an nda and get cvs/svn access to specific portions of closed code .. upon approval of a feature update or bugfix proposal?
Apr 26 12:31:36 <pupnik> for example: make wifi icon display current signal strength
Apr 26 12:32:08 <lcuk> pupnik, something like that could be done in a different manner? (specific case)
Apr 26 12:32:08 <DocScrutinizer> ~pupnik++
Apr 26 12:32:23 <lcuk> the signal strength is available isnt it
Apr 26 12:32:27 <crashanddie> lcuk: you of all people should know that open source doesn't require every aspect to be open.
Apr 26 12:32:33 <chem|st> to lazy to look them up, wpa enterprise, GPG/PGP for modest, syncML (even my 30eur phone can do that) and others
Apr 26 12:33:20 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: no
Apr 26 12:33:22 <Stskeeps> did anyone ever bother to put up a proposal for nokia to allow X community person access to some source to fix some things? :P
Apr 26 12:33:24 <pupnik> the icon always shows 3 bars
Apr 26 12:33:24 <summelsam> is it somehow possible to change the order of the phone numbers in a contact?
Apr 26 12:33:31 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: well - it's available - but it's not shown
Apr 26 12:33:39 <summelsam> i tried removing the last one and adding it again but it is still at the bottom
Apr 26 12:33:52 <DocScrutinizer> wifi sig strength is displayed in syscontrol dropdown arae wifi icon, but not on the systray icon itself
Apr 26 12:34:00 <frals> is it ok to blame jetlag if im tired at 1530?
Apr 26 12:34:05 <summelsam> and copy-pasting the last one and switching it with the first one still doesnt change the order :(
Apr 26 12:34:06 <SpeedEvil> frals: yes.
Apr 26 12:34:21 <frals> goodie, doing that then
Apr 26 12:34:22 <SpeedEvil> frals: I still get jetlag from my last flight.
Apr 26 12:34:24 <lcuk> crashanddie, open processes improve participation
Apr 26 12:34:31 <SpeedEvil> frals: 2001 I think it was.
Apr 26 12:34:35 <frals> this 1hr time difference is messing me up
Apr 26 12:34:36 <lcuk> me of all people knows how *not* to do it since ive tried many mechanisms
Apr 26 12:34:46 <Scelt> frals: are you in Finland?
Apr 26 12:34:47 <raster> frals: it's ok to blame jetlag for anything
Apr 26 12:34:55 <lcuk> Stskeeps, first one was the pvr stuff
Apr 26 12:34:59 <frals> Scelt: yes
Apr 26 12:35:03 <adeus> well probably not ok last week :)
Apr 26 12:35:04 <lcuk> and to a degree exactly that has happened
Apr 26 12:35:09 <Scelt> frals: as Nokia's visitor?
Apr 26 12:35:09 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: same here :-P
Apr 26 12:35:13 * lcuk waves @ frals 
Apr 26 12:35:20 * frals waves at lcuk
Apr 26 12:35:21 <raster> q: "why are you wearing your underwear on your head?"
Apr 26 12:35:25 <raster> a: "jetlag!"
Apr 26 12:35:31 <frals> lcuk: seems everythings getting sorted :)
Apr 26 12:35:39 <raster> q: "why are you always so stupid?"
Apr 26 12:35:43 <raster> a: "jetlag!"
Apr 26 12:35:48 <Stskeeps> lcuk: mm, things are different now, back then it was a bit of a taboo
Apr 26 12:35:51 <lcuk> :) frals !!!
Apr 26 12:36:00 <raster> q: "do you think i look fat in these jeans"
Apr 26 12:36:01 <DocScrutinizer> raster: !!!
Apr 26 12:36:03 <raster> a: "jetlag!"
Apr 26 12:36:06 <lcuk> yeah Stskeeps but that was the principle one
Apr 26 12:36:21 <frals> (wrt to what we discussed about ux stuff)
Apr 26 12:36:30 <raster> (as all men know - there is NO right answer to that question. it's a trap. so jetlag is one of the best answers you can come up with)
Apr 26 12:36:43 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Apr 26 12:36:47 * RST38h moos evilly at raster
Apr 26 12:36:50 <lcuk> yeah frals i gathered as much, great stuff
Apr 26 12:37:04 <RST38h> Hey, raster, what was that about you and Badu? =)
Apr 26 12:37:14 <raster> DocScrutinizer:  docz!
Apr 26 12:37:16 <raster> :)
Apr 26 12:37:21 <raster> RST38h: burrrp
Apr 26 12:37:44 * RST38h figured that much after looking at Badu code samples
Apr 26 12:37:54 <raster> RST38h: ugh. bada. nothing to do with it. at all. it's an RTOS with asamsung middleware on top - the same they have used for years on dumbphones
Apr 26 12:37:54 <DocScrutinizer> badu is a hickup >/quote raster> :-)
Apr 26 12:37:59 <raster> waste of time and energy
Apr 26 12:38:11 <raster> and i'm tried of answering q's on it
Apr 26 12:38:13 <raster> it's irrelevant
Apr 26 12:38:15 <raster> dont bother
Apr 26 12:38:43 <Khertan> Hi !
Apr 26 12:38:54 <lcuk> awww Khertan we thought you were going to have a conversation with yourself!
Apr 26 12:39:00 <summel> can i change the order of phone numbers for a contact or not?
Apr 26 12:39:16 <MohammadAG> delete and readd
Apr 26 12:39:17 <RST38h> raster> Ack.
Apr 26 12:39:20 <MohammadAG> hey Khertan
Apr 26 12:39:26 <summel> MohammadAG: does not change the order :(
Apr 26 12:39:31 <Khertan> lcuk, yeah don't know why i ve settup two connection for freenode :)
Apr 26 12:39:41 <MohammadAG> summel, delete both and readd?
Apr 26 12:39:44 <MohammadAG> just guessing
Apr 26 12:39:44 <Khertan> lcuk, i ve understood something today about qpainter
Apr 26 12:40:00 <summel> if it were only 2 numbers.... but that contact has like 10 numbers... :(
Apr 26 12:40:03 <Khertan> lcuk, it s slow when resizing pixmaps :)
Apr 26 12:40:09 <summel> !featurerequest
Apr 26 12:40:19 <nid0> summel: you know where this answer's going then
Apr 26 12:40:24 <summel> :(
Apr 26 12:40:25 <lcuk> Khertan, w00t_ sussed that at weekend :p
Apr 26 12:40:34 <lcuk> but when pixmaps arent involved its still slow
Apr 26 12:40:38 <lcuk> so go figure :D
Apr 26 12:41:10 <Khertan> :)
Apr 26 12:42:06 <DocScrutinizer> btw it's bada afaik
Apr 26 12:42:15 <summel> deleting and readding all numbers STILL does not change the order <:(
Apr 26 12:42:18 <summel> _:(
Apr 26 12:42:21 <summel> argh
Apr 26 12:42:23 <summel> >:(
Apr 26 12:42:29 <Shapeshifter> mh, the 'show my location' thing of the IM app is stuck at a location I was at hours ago. even if I run maep, which updates correctly, the location thing doesnt update.
Apr 26 12:42:47 <summel> where do i submit bugreports?
Apr 26 12:42:54 <chem|st> summel: even if someone got 10 numbers... I need home work and cell maybe fax and maybe a second cell but all other numbers I am not interested in
Apr 26 12:42:56 <RST38h>  /usr/bin/tamagotchid^H^H^Hsorry
Apr 26 12:43:00 <lcuk> lizardo_, \o did csaavedra get hold of you by chance - he was asking about pymaemo folks at weekend and I steered him towards your account
Apr 26 12:43:01 <chem|st> summel: bugs.maemo.org
Apr 26 12:43:05 <summel> thx
Apr 26 12:43:48 <Disconnect> anyone know why the photos browser never sees the actual photos? if i open one in a file manager, it will show that one in the list (temporarily)
Apr 26 12:43:49 <lcuk> lizardo, ^
Apr 26 12:44:23 <SpeedEvil> Disconnect: the photos browser does not look at the filesystem. (nor does the media player)
Apr 26 12:44:25 <RST38h> Disconnect: tracker has to index them
Apr 26 12:44:29 <SpeedEvil> Disconnect: That would be too logical.
Apr 26 12:44:41 <SpeedEvil> Disconnect: it asks the tracker what files it knows about, then shows them
Apr 26 12:44:45 <lizardo> lcuk: what is about? :)
Apr 26 12:44:51 <Disconnect> SpeedEvil: it should at least be looking where the camera saves them ;)
Apr 26 12:44:55 <RST38h> SpeedEvil: And would render wonderful work of many Tracker gnomes useless
Apr 26 12:45:04 <lcuk> lizardo, im not sure, it was in #maemo-devel on saturday morning
Apr 26 12:45:06 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: bzzz, wrong. If I get inbound from all 10 numbers, I want all 10 to be in the cooresponding contact
Apr 26 12:45:08 <SpeedEvil> Disconnect: that would be way too logical
Apr 26 12:45:11 <Disconnect> RST38h: any way to force tracker to stop being brain-damaged?
Apr 26 12:45:22 <SpeedEvil> I've got it working sanely for audio files
Apr 26 12:45:24 <SpeedEvil> and video
Apr 26 12:45:28 <RST38h> Disconnect: Well you can turn it off but it will not make gallery see those photos
Apr 26 12:45:36 <SpeedEvil> I think thumbnailerd is seperate from tracker though
Apr 26 12:45:42 <SpeedEvil> and I can't find the config file for it
Apr 26 12:45:47 * RST38h thinks of disabling tracker on startup and having a button for one-short run
Apr 26 12:46:04 * SpeedEvil verified range of files. One pass only.
Apr 26 12:46:18 <RST38h> SpeedEvil: etc
Apr 26 12:46:26 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: yes, but I dont care about the sort order
Apr 26 12:46:28 <Disconnect> didn't dnotify get a smart version in recent kernels?
Apr 26 12:47:01 <lcuk> q: if you delete tracker db do you also delete the tags applied to media?
Apr 26 12:47:14 <lizardo> lcuk: well, if you see him around, feel free to ask him to join #pymaemo where the whole team can be found :)
Apr 26 12:47:29 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: well, I'd like to have the numbers I use for dialing out at a prominent place like first ones in the list
Apr 26 12:48:15 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: thats what I meant
Apr 26 12:48:57 <chem|st> I put the prominents at default and home
Apr 26 12:49:27 <Psi> so are there any video formats that the n900 mediaplayer is able to decode in hardware? id like to be able to stream media from another pc to n900
Apr 26 12:49:50 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: I think that'd be a good thing
Apr 26 12:50:50 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: 'scan this directory / add this specific file to index'
Apr 26 12:51:23 <DocScrutinizer> honestly...
Apr 26 12:51:30 <DocScrutinizer> ~nuke indexer
Apr 26 12:51:31 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at indexer ... B☢☢M!
Apr 26 12:52:11 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: yeah.
Apr 26 12:52:14 <DocScrutinizer> what an incredibly insane concept
Apr 26 12:52:40 <SWFu64> Does anyone know of any wardriving apps for the n900?
Apr 26 12:52:49 <SWFu64> hich uses internal gps
Apr 26 12:53:14 <summel> SWFu64: theres a wifiscanner that can signal open networks
Apr 26 12:53:19 <DocScrutinizer> airodump is borked
Apr 26 12:53:37 <summel> but no gps functions afaik
Apr 26 12:54:11 <ShadowJK> Psi, as for video codec, h264 baseline at up to 800x480 works
Apr 26 12:54:13 <SWFu64> Yeah, I wan't to create a kml file
Apr 26 12:54:14 <AndrewFBlack> Stskeeps: Thanks for the link my day got a little better.
Apr 26 12:54:25 <Psi> ShadowJK: thanks
Apr 26 12:54:34 <SWFu64> I've wiieye installed which has no gps either.
Apr 26 12:54:40 <FIQ> will pr1.2 get released next year?
Apr 26 12:55:02 <DocScrutinizer> no, 2018
Apr 26 12:55:08 <Psi> heh
Apr 26 12:55:10 <FIQ> ah
Apr 26 12:55:24 <SWFu64> It's not being released
Apr 26 12:55:25 <Treibholz> FIQ: PR1.2 will be ported to HURD and has e17 as GUI, so it will take a while...
Apr 26 12:55:39 <FIQ> PSI SHIELD ALPHA
Apr 26 12:55:44 <Anss|> is pr1.2 released already?
Apr 26 12:55:59 <DocScrutinizer> no, 2018
Apr 26 12:56:07 <FIQ> treibholz, pr1.2 is released to sdk and have no major new features
Apr 26 12:56:14 * Anss| marks calendar
Apr 26 12:56:24 <summel> Treibholz: e17? :o i thought they are porting xfce to qt4 for that?
Apr 26 12:56:25 <Surfa> what is major new feature?
Apr 26 12:56:26 <SWFu64> If only kimet would work :(
Apr 26 12:56:26 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, im sure all the nokians are at ho me at 8:18pm
Apr 26 12:56:34 <lcuk> are at home
Apr 26 12:56:47 * Torne is still puzzled as to why they added rotation to the browser, which imho is the least likely app to want to use in portrait mode ;)
Apr 26 12:57:03 <nid0> people cried for it, so they got it
Apr 26 12:57:08 <Surfa> Torne, actually i'd like tu use browser in portrait mode
Apr 26 12:57:12 <FIQ> but portrait already exists?
Apr 26 12:57:13 <Torne> ya, but no rotation in all the *other* things?
Apr 26 12:57:16 <nid0> there are the odd few sites thatre handy in portrait mode
Apr 26 12:57:18 <summel> Torne: i would love to use all apps in portrait mode if i want to :(
Apr 26 12:57:18 <FIQ> ctrl+shift+o
Apr 26 12:57:20 <FIQ> or smth
Apr 26 12:57:31 <Anss|> maybe nokians are selling their stocks/options. that would explain stock crash.
Apr 26 12:57:37 <Torne> summel: yeah, that's what i mean; i'd'v eadded it to a lot of other things before the browser :0
Apr 26 12:57:41 <Torne> e.g. messaging
Apr 26 12:57:49 <Torne> or just, like.. the menu
Apr 26 12:58:07 <summel> yes
Apr 26 12:58:10 <summel> contacts
Apr 26 12:58:10 <Psi> be nice if they added some extended key combos for alt tab and esc
Apr 26 12:58:11 <FIQ> landscape > portrait
Apr 26 12:58:27 <Termana> hello timeless_mbp
Apr 26 12:58:35 <timeless_mbp> hi
Apr 26 12:58:36 <Torne> FIQ: *not having the option* for core phone-type functionality like reading SMS is kinda lame, though :)
Apr 26 12:58:43 <FIQ> [14:59:36] <Psi> be nice if they added some extended key combos for alt tab and esc
Apr 26 12:58:54 <Torne> FIQ: having only portrait would suck just as much for many things, sure ;)
Apr 26 12:59:15 <FIQ> alt+tab works just like ctrl+backspace
Apr 26 12:59:23 <FIQ> no need for a new such thing
Apr 26 12:59:26 <DocScrutinizer> messaging in portrait -yaeh. Plus a 3*4 kbd, and T9 please! </sarcasm>
Apr 26 12:59:33 <FIQ> but indeed @ needing new keys
Apr 26 12:59:43 <Psi> huh?
Apr 26 12:59:46 <Psi> there is no alt atm
Apr 26 12:59:53 <FIQ> no...
Apr 26 12:59:53 <Torne> DocScrutinizer: not even for reading? :)
Apr 26 12:59:54 * ShadowJK yawns
Apr 26 13:00:00 <FIQ> did i state it?
Apr 26 13:00:24 * RST38h makes it a rule to thumb down any Tracker news he sees on the Planet
Apr 26 13:00:24 <FIQ> i said, alt+tab and ctrl+backspace is the same idea
Apr 26 13:00:32 <timeless_mbp> Torne: it was easier for the browser team to add rotation support
Apr 26 13:00:33 <Psi> what does everyone use instead of alt to switch irssi windows?
Apr 26 13:00:42 <Torne> Psi: escape
Apr 26 13:00:43 <FIQ> uh
Apr 26 13:00:47 <timeless_mbp> since the browser mostly displays content which supports dynamic layout
Apr 26 13:00:50 <RST38h> Will thumb up the first peiece of news which starts with "Maemo abandons Tracker" =0
Apr 26 13:00:57 <Torne> esc then key *mostly* behaves like alt+key
Apr 26 13:01:02 <Torne> in a tty.
Apr 26 13:01:04 <timeless_mbp> whereas normal applications are designed according to pixel perfect layout guidelines
Apr 26 13:01:09 <Torne> (apps can tell the difference if htey try, but they mostly don't)
Apr 26 13:01:26 <jaska> also ctrl-n and ctrl-p switch back and forth
Apr 26 13:01:32 <ShadowJK> portrait mode in conversations seems unlikely as even the dynamic font size changing was killed :)
Apr 26 13:01:46 <Torne> good thing i don't use it as a phone then, i guess
Apr 26 13:01:51 <Torne> that would annoy me ;)
Apr 26 13:02:23 <timeless_mbp> ShadowJK: w/o an onscreen keyboard, portrait mode in a text based app (e.g. conversations) is useless
Apr 26 13:02:24 <Psi> jaska: ahh, thanks
Apr 26 13:02:48 <Torne> timeless_mbp: er, but it does have an onscreen keyboard, if you turn it on
Apr 26 13:03:04 <frals> not in portrait
Apr 26 13:03:04 <timeless_mbp> Torne: the original on screen keyboard is landscape only
Apr 26 13:03:07 <DocScrutinizer> not in portrait mode!!
Apr 26 13:03:18 <timeless_mbp> do you really want to use a landscape keyboard in a portrait application?
Apr 26 13:03:24 <summel> the original osk sucks... kinda
Apr 26 13:03:29 <Torne> no, i want to *read stuff* in portrait mode
Apr 26 13:03:31 <auenf> would be a challenge ;)
Apr 26 13:03:36 <Torne> then turn it around and open the slider to type if needd
Apr 26 13:03:43 <auenf> bring back the stylus keyboard?
Apr 26 13:03:43 <summel> the iphone has a portrait mode osk :P
Apr 26 13:03:44 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, the pr1.2 one "works" in portrait mode
Apr 26 13:03:57 <Torne> also yeah, i have the new build on mine ;)
Apr 26 13:03:59 <MohammadAG> not a clean method, but it works
Apr 26 13:03:59 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: yeah well...
Apr 26 13:04:08 <Torne> i've not tried the osk in portrait i don't think
Apr 26 13:04:09 * Torne checks
Apr 26 13:04:21 <Khertan> useless
Apr 26 13:04:22 <MohammadAG> Torne, it doesn't rotate
Apr 26 13:04:27 <frals> nice bug in solitaire from ovi maps.. if you reset a game it wont show new cards until you restart teh application
Apr 26 13:04:40 <Torne> MohammadAG: hm? what do you mean it works, then?
Apr 26 13:04:51 <MohammadAG> the pr1.2 keyboard was redesigned
Apr 26 13:04:53 <timeless_mbp> frals: ovi MAPS has solitaire?
Apr 26 13:04:57 <ShadowJK> Of course, since the dialpad in portrait mode has letters on it, people assume that portrait mode SMS is coming, what else would the letters be for if not T9! :)
Apr 26 13:05:09 <frals> timeless_mbp: doh, s/maps/store/ :P
Apr 26 13:05:17 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: muhahaha
Apr 26 13:05:30 <frals> MohammadAG: "works" how?
Apr 26 13:05:40 <Torne> MohammadAG: yes, i have that on my device, though
Apr 26 13:05:42 * Torne just tries it
Apr 26 13:05:45 <MohammadAG> frals, forced rotation, but it fits in the screen
Apr 26 13:05:59 <ShadowJK> It's also amusing to see all the bloggers say portrait sms should be easy since the letters are already there on the dialpad!
Apr 26 13:06:03 <MohammadAG> unlike the current one where half of it gets sliced
Apr 26 13:06:26 <MohammadAG> is the virtual keyboard in hildon-input-method?
Apr 26 13:06:39 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: it's closed source if that's what you're asking
Apr 26 13:06:44 <frals> ShadowJK: :D
Apr 26 13:06:56 <Torne> huh, it rotates back to landscape to display the osk?
Apr 26 13:06:58 <Torne> that's insane
Apr 26 13:07:04 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, nope, just asking if it's in hildon-input-method :)
Apr 26 13:07:06 * Torne points and laughs
Apr 26 13:07:11 <SpeedEvil> hmm.
Apr 26 13:07:19 <SpeedEvil> Rundown test. Starting at ~90% battery.
Apr 26 13:07:26 <SpeedEvil> I'm now at hour 50
Apr 26 13:07:39 <SpeedEvil> And it's showing 20% bat left
Apr 26 13:07:50 <SpeedEvil> mostly idle, connected on wifi
Apr 26 13:07:51 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: sounds sane
Apr 26 13:07:59 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, remember the thing i did when the 1.2 sdk was released? :p
Apr 26 13:08:04 <ZogG> sounds tasty
Apr 26 13:08:09 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: of course
Apr 26 13:08:29 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, doing it again :P
Apr 26 13:08:37 <DocScrutinizer> lol, why?
Apr 26 13:09:02 <DocScrutinizer> the blobs still won't update magically
Apr 26 13:09:42 * MohammadAG breaks mp-fremantle-generic-pr
Apr 26 13:10:26 <MohammadAG> pkg - warning: downgrading hildon-input-method from 1:2.1.35-1+0m5 to 1:2.1.33-1+0m5.
Apr 26 13:10:29 <MohammadAG> err
Apr 26 13:10:44 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
Apr 26 13:11:02 <Torne> does backup, reflash, restore actually preserve everything?
Apr 26 13:11:11 <Torne> installed apps, etc?
Apr 26 13:11:11 <DocScrutinizer> almost
Apr 26 13:11:15 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Apr 26 13:11:27 <DocScrutinizer> except those you installed via apt-get
Apr 26 13:11:53 <Torne> ah, that's slightly less painful then
Apr 26 13:13:18 <nid0> well.
Apr 26 13:13:35 <nid0> it reinstalls apps freshly from the repos, rather than actually preserve your existing installs
Apr 26 13:13:46 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Apr 26 13:14:21 <DocScrutinizer> those you installed via appmanager are freshly installed, though their settings preserved mostly
Apr 26 13:15:13 <MohammadAG> till /home/user is cleared *cough*
Apr 26 13:15:24 <DocScrutinizer> waaaaah
Apr 26 13:15:35 * Torne apologises for newbie questions, but is impatient ;)
Apr 26 13:15:50 <DocScrutinizer> the m134 is shiny and oiled now
Apr 26 13:15:50 <MohammadAG> what did I just replace...
Apr 26 13:16:05 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, found a javelin?
Apr 26 13:16:14 <DocScrutinizer> alas not
Apr 26 13:16:39 <DocScrutinizer> seems I fired all of then last new year fireworks
Apr 26 13:16:46 <MohammadAG> xD
Apr 26 13:17:11 <MohammadAG> hope you didn't kill any flying penguins
Apr 26 13:17:56 <DocScrutinizer> I tought them flying ;-P
Apr 26 13:18:20 <MohammadAG> and nokia taught them how to shoot lasers
Apr 26 13:18:23 <MohammadAG> we're doomed
Apr 26 13:19:21 <Anss|> that's 3vil
Apr 26 13:19:32 <DocScrutinizer> wasn't that sharks, and lcuk?
Apr 26 13:20:32 <Anss|> yeah, "freaking lasers attached on their heads" :) it was a fun movie.
Apr 26 13:20:35 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, http://maemo.nokia.com/
Apr 26 13:20:37 <lcuk> i did not kill all the flying penguins.
Apr 26 13:20:55 * MohammadAG looks athe penguins
Apr 26 13:20:58 <lcuk> tho they are undeniably very tasty, i recall there were at least 2 or 3 others still flying last time i went hunting
Apr 26 13:21:28 <Appiah> After a phone call and exiting phone , everything is still turned
Apr 26 13:21:47 <Appiah> how the hell do I get everything back ...without reboot
Apr 26 13:21:57 <MohammadAG> killall hildon-desktop
Apr 26 13:22:02 <MohammadAG> easiest way
Apr 26 13:22:08 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: there's no portrait mode keyboard in the browser in 1.2
Apr 26 13:22:08 <frals> open browser and turn it
Apr 26 13:22:09 <Appiah> oh nevermind , meanwhile I was typing it locked itself, and when I unlocked it turned back
Apr 26 13:22:12 <MohammadAG> then fire up the phone app and close it down
Apr 26 13:22:20 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, as i said, forced rotation
Apr 26 13:22:29 <Appiah> man that's the first time that happend to me
Apr 26 13:22:32 <Appiah> is this common?
Apr 26 13:22:33 <MohammadAG> *forced*
Apr 26 13:22:42 <MohammadAG> Appiah, not any more here
Apr 26 13:22:53 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: that's totally uninteresting to a software engineer
Apr 26 13:23:00 <timeless_mbp> please don't waste my time
Apr 26 13:23:08 <MohammadAG> o.O
Apr 26 13:23:23 <Appiah> O_o
Apr 26 13:23:25 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, I never said it was an official/clean method
Apr 26 13:23:46 <timeless_mbp> it should be obvious to everyone here that engineers can't offer a feature if the dependent feature doesn't exist in the software they're building on
Apr 26 13:23:53 <MohammadAG> sec
Apr 26 13:23:55 <MohammadAG> brb
Apr 26 13:24:49 * RST38h wonders who came up with a design where audio jack comes out at the bottom
Apr 26 13:24:50 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: monday mood?
Apr 26 13:25:19 <RST38h> And it is actually impossible to create a dock for the device
Apr 26 13:26:07 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: not impossible but really difficult. The usb doesn't help either
Apr 26 13:26:30 <Stskeeps> RST38h: 770?
Apr 26 13:26:43 <timeless_mbp> DocScrutinizer: sure
Apr 26 13:26:45 <RST38h> Sts: 900
Apr 26 13:26:52 <Stskeeps> ah, that bottom
Apr 26 13:26:53 <RST38h> Doc: None of it helps
Apr 26 13:28:25 <RST38h> Doc: But I am no longer complaining about USB because EU standartization bodies are to blame for it
Apr 26 13:29:02 * ShadowJK always wanted headphone jack on the bottom
Apr 26 13:29:11 <ShadowJK> but not on the side :P
Apr 26 13:29:31 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: nobody at usb.org stops device manufs from adding contact pads to the case surface, for a spring loaded contacts in a drop in cradle
Apr 26 13:29:36 <nomis> RST38h: the EU requires USB ports to go sideways?
Apr 26 13:29:36 <RST38h> ShadowJK: That is not the side, unless you have got a wide enough pocket to carry it horizontally =)
Apr 26 13:29:53 <RST38h> nomis: It just requires USB charging
Apr 26 13:30:04 <nomis> oh ok.
Apr 26 13:30:30 * timeless_mbp wonders why andre__ moved bug 8013 to Camera
Apr 26 13:30:31 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8013 switching out of full screen causes the screen to flash black
Apr 26 13:30:53 <andre__> because it's first of all a camera issue
Apr 26 13:31:01 <RST38h> nomis: even although it is messy, mechanically unreliable, has problems delivering enough current, and causes trouble with data connections over the same usb
Apr 26 13:31:08 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: that's what I actually do, alas 180° rotated
Apr 26 13:31:56 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: so both hs and usb are at bottom of my pouch
Apr 26 13:32:09 <ShadowJK> WHen using it as mp3 player, what annoys me most is that the first tap goes to middle on the x axis..
Apr 26 13:33:05 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: If I read usb.org specs correctly, they don't forbit other non-usb based charging pathes though
Apr 26 13:33:06 <Psi> the stock n900 mediaplayer is the only current media player that takes advantage of hardware accel, correct?
Apr 26 13:33:37 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: additional alternatives to usb
Apr 26 13:33:51 <andre__> Psi, how does it take advantage of it?
Apr 26 13:33:55 <MohammadAG> Psi, sadly
Apr 26 13:34:01 <MohammadAG> andre__, dsp
Apr 26 13:34:06 <Psi> ^^
Apr 26 13:34:08 <andre__> ah
Apr 26 13:34:13 * Khertan want headphone on the top !
Apr 26 13:34:17 <ShadowJK> Anything that uses mafw would benefit from hw accel
Apr 26 13:34:25 <andre__> argh, "accel". damn, I misread. sorry :)
Apr 26 13:34:29 * MohammadAG wants wireless headphones
Apr 26 13:34:33 <DocScrutinizer> http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2009/11/07/n900-battery-duration-ogg-vs-mp3/
Apr 26 13:34:42 <MohammadAG> andre__, accelerometer? :P
Apr 26 13:34:49 <nid0> unless theyve hit problems, powermat are supposedly due to release their range of batteries soon
Apr 26 13:34:51 <andre__> dumdidum :-P
Apr 26 13:34:57 <nid0> thatll give an alternative to usb charging :>
Apr 26 13:35:03 * X-Fade uses BH-214, works nicely.
Apr 26 13:35:05 <silbo__> when will the memo GSoC student be announced?
Apr 26 13:35:17 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, is it good? was reading some reviews
Apr 26 13:35:18 <lcuk> #student? singular?
Apr 26 13:35:37 <MohammadAG> I wanted a BH-905, but the price is kinda steep
Apr 26 13:35:45 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Good enough for my needs. Podcasts and some music.
Apr 26 13:35:52 <Psi> im not having much luck getting mediaplayer to play anything over wifi, any tricks to it?
Apr 26 13:36:18 <nid0> video or audio?
Apr 26 13:36:21 <Psi> both
Apr 26 13:36:31 <nid0> audio from a upnp server should work fine
Apr 26 13:36:32 <MohammadAG> i hate how i can't send the incoming call dialog to the background
Apr 26 13:36:36 <nid0> avi video is currently broke
Apr 26 13:36:42 <nid0> though other containers should work
Apr 26 13:36:54 <Disconnect> is there a way to force tracker to reindex from scratch? it has basically nothing - no video, no pics, no music.. really dumb
Apr 26 13:36:58 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, do the buttons work?
Apr 26 13:37:10 <sECuRE> avi works for me
Apr 26 13:37:16 <MohammadAG> Disconnect, tracker-processes --hard-reset
Apr 26 13:37:16 <Psi> tried to play avi, mpg, mov, wmv that are http shared, it always gives the option to play with mediaplayer, but mediaplayer never plays them
Apr 26 13:37:17 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Yes.
Apr 26 13:37:24 <Disconnect> ncie :)
Apr 26 13:37:27 <nid0> avi video streaming from a upnp server?
Apr 26 13:37:29 <Disconnect> er, nice
Apr 26 13:37:29 <Disconnect> thanks
Apr 26 13:37:52 <MohammadAG> Disconnect, oh and fire up the media player/photos app to start reindexing
Apr 26 13:38:01 <MohammadAG> if that doesn't work, /home's full
Apr 26 13:38:16 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, thanks, might actually buy one then
Apr 26 13:38:18 <ShadowJK> isn't there that bug that if you try play an unsupported format/codec, or if the thumbnail indexer stumbles upon one, mediaplayer will forever fail to play anything until a reboot
Apr 26 13:38:24 <nid0> yes
Apr 26 13:38:53 <Psi> ah, that maybe my problem then
Apr 26 13:39:03 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: yes
Apr 26 13:39:29 <DocScrutinizer> seems the dsp locks up
Apr 26 13:39:47 <E0x> exits other battery replacement the more quality and more capacity in the same size of standard  n900 battery
Apr 26 13:39:57 <nid0> no
Apr 26 13:39:58 <Disconnect> 1.5G free on /home. should be enough ;)
Apr 26 13:40:22 <RST38h> DocS: Well, maybe the Tentacled One will have another talk to Nokia's EE people and makes 'em return the power plug socket
Apr 26 13:40:41 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: :-D
Apr 26 13:40:41 <RST38h> DocS: Even the 2.5mm one would be nice: I am shaking every time I plug that flimsy microUSB
Apr 26 13:40:52 <Psi> yeah
Apr 26 13:41:08 <nid0> i'd say the chances of nokia reintroducing a second power port are somewhere between none and lolwat
Apr 26 13:41:20 <RST38h> true
Apr 26 13:41:33 <RST38h> But still, microUSB charging is obviously a problem at many levels
Apr 26 13:41:33 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: I got no highlight set on DocS:. please either use Doc: or DocScrutinizer
Apr 26 13:41:51 <Disconnect> MohammadAG: any feedback while it indexes? or just wait 15 mins and see if anything shows up? ...oops, nevermind. 'retrieving info on new media files'. patience ftw :)
Apr 26 13:42:04 <nid0> well it's biggest problem is the flimsy connector - other manufactures have perfectly good solid microusb connectors on their devices
Apr 26 13:42:47 <Disconnect> wow io really drags it to a halt.
Apr 26 13:43:01 <Psi> ya know when you type a password and you can see the last char for 0.5 a sec before it becomes a *  Is that a feature or a bug? :)
Apr 26 13:43:02 <DocScrutinizer> re-introducing a decent powerplug is a nobrainer at the EE level
Apr 26 13:43:07 <Disconnect> Psi: feature
Apr 26 13:43:11 <Psi> heh
Apr 26 13:43:17 <Disconnect> ..unfortunately ;)
Apr 26 13:43:20 <pupnik> i wonder how many parents saw The Exorcist and thought "that's my kid!"
Apr 26 13:43:37 <Psi> i both like it and hate it
Apr 26 13:44:57 <DocScrutinizer> nid0: it seems they have manufacturing quality issues - my USB receptacle looks like only 3 of the 4 feet are decently soldered to the PCB
Apr 26 13:45:08 <Psi> oh, im a moron
Apr 26 13:45:18 <Psi> no wonder mplayer cannot play these media files
Apr 26 13:45:26 <Stskeeps> they're flash?
Apr 26 13:45:26 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 26 13:45:39 <nid0> DocScrutinizer: yeah, exactly my point really, it's not that microusb is crap, it's just nokia makes crap microusb connectors at the moment
Apr 26 13:45:50 <Psi> im browsing a https passworded server
Apr 26 13:46:01 <Psi> mediaplayer doesnt know the password
Apr 26 13:46:24 <Psi> or the login for that matter
Apr 26 13:46:25 <nid0> i've had no problems with my usb port, but it just *feels* very very flimsy, compared to every other microusb-connected device i've ever touched
Apr 26 13:47:52 <DocScrutinizer> nid0: feeling wacky is a *bad* sign. Might mean it's only attached to the PCB by the 5 contact feet, and the strong mechanical stands are loose
Apr 26 13:48:40 <DocScrutinizer> nid0: you should contact a service center and rise your concerns to them
Apr 26 13:49:01 <DocScrutinizer> resoldering the mech feet is easy
Apr 26 13:49:27 <nid0> nah mine feels about the same as every other n900 and microusb-connected nokia i've touched, which was more my point - compare *any* nokia microusb port to that on, say, pretty much any htc phone, and you can really see that nokia are just doing it wrong
Apr 26 13:49:39 <DocScrutinizer> if eventually the USB goes off the PCB completely, odds are the PCB is broken then and you need full swap
Apr 26 13:52:24 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, it can't be reattached?
Apr 26 13:54:39 <Psi> if there's no damage then a new one can be soldered in
Apr 26 13:54:49 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: if the pads on PCB break, you probably can't find a way to contact a new USB receptacle
Apr 26 13:55:38 <MohammadAG> oh great, the only device i imported and therefore isn't covered by warranty has an issue like this
Apr 26 13:55:48 <MohammadAG> ah well, luck's luck
Apr 26 13:56:38 <Psi> its not that hard to fix for anyone with smt soldering skills
Apr 26 13:56:42 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: handle USB carefully, and never let the device drop with usb-cable inserted, and probably you're fine
Apr 26 13:56:57 <aep> MohammadAG: my imported one says "global waranty"
Apr 26 13:57:10 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, well I don't do that, but you never know what happens
Apr 26 13:57:18 <MohammadAG> aep, where did you import it from
Apr 26 13:57:24 <aep> USA -> europe
Apr 26 13:57:34 <MohammadAG> which seller?
Apr 26 13:57:38 <aep> amazon
Apr 26 13:57:43 <MohammadAG> err
Apr 26 13:57:51 <MohammadAG> where does it say global?
Apr 26 13:58:02 <aep> on the back there is a sticker
Apr 26 13:58:21 <MohammadAG> back of the box?
Apr 26 13:58:23 <aep> in the battery tray or whatever you call that
Apr 26 13:58:26 <MohammadAG> oh
Apr 26 13:58:32 <aep> where the imei number is
Apr 26 13:59:18 <MohammadAG> well if it's global the owe me a keyboard frame
Apr 26 13:59:23 <MohammadAG> :p
Apr 26 13:59:45 <aep> try walking into an arbitrary nokia store.
Apr 26 14:00:05 <aep> i dont think they will handle prerelease models though
Apr 26 14:00:08 <MohammadAG> if i can find one
Apr 26 14:00:15 <MohammadAG> mine isn't prerelease
Apr 26 14:00:15 <aep> and those seems to be the only ones with the USB issue
Apr 26 14:00:20 <DocScrutinizer> aiui there are few next to where he lives
Apr 26 14:00:22 <aep> well then you're fine :P
Apr 26 14:01:03 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, one hour drive, and I'm not old enough to have a driver's license so.. :)
Apr 26 14:01:53 <aep> MohammadAG: what broke?
Apr 26 14:01:56 <MohammadAG> here comes the noob
Apr 26 14:02:18 * noobmonk3y troll's in - w0000000000000000p
Apr 26 14:02:25 <pupnik> the american indians preserved the environment ....
Apr 26 14:02:27 <MohammadAG> aep, a clip from the keyboard frame, screen goes 1mm to the left/right, bottom area clicks a bit
Apr 26 14:02:35 * MohammadAG can go on
Apr 26 14:02:36 <MohammadAG> :P
Apr 26 14:02:36 <pupnik> ... using a system of property rights
Apr 26 14:03:00 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, does the usb cable move a bit?
Apr 26 14:03:22 * MohammadAG thinks he's being over cautious
Apr 26 14:03:37 <aep> your usb is probably fine, if you cant see the PBC from outside
Apr 26 14:03:48 <DocScrutinizer> well, mine is a little bit (like 2..5°) wacky inside the non-moving receptacle
Apr 26 14:03:49 <aep> that was a visible problem
Apr 26 14:04:38 <MohammadAG> oh so that's normal then
Apr 26 14:05:02 <Psi> mine is pretty tight, doesnt move at all
Apr 26 14:05:04 <MohammadAG> i still can't figure out why the designers picked two awkward positions
Apr 26 14:05:23 <MohammadAG> for the usb port, and the headphone jack
Apr 26 14:05:35 <MohammadAG> on the N97 the usb was on the bottom part
Apr 26 14:05:59 <MohammadAG> rebooting :/
Apr 26 14:06:11 <DocScrutinizer> there might be many reasons
Apr 26 14:06:15 <RST38h> Mohammad: Remember, you are supposed to be using it horizontally :)
Apr 26 14:06:19 <DocScrutinizer> RF considerations
Apr 26 14:06:23 * RST38h avoids this altogether by using BT headphones
Apr 26 14:06:40 <RST38h> Doc: Naah, RF is all concentrated at the top edge of the device afaik
Apr 26 14:06:43 * noobmonk3y doesnt have any clicky issues any more, and has no issues with the odd usb port positioning :P hehe
Apr 26 14:07:12 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: not really
Apr 26 14:07:18 <ShadowJK> iirc cellular antenna is near the headphone port ;p
Apr 26 14:07:28 <RST38h> ShadowJK: Weird
Apr 26 14:07:35 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: exactly
Apr 26 14:07:53 <ShadowJK> it's clever, less radiation into your braaainz
Apr 26 14:08:17 <crashanddie> pupnik: native indians hardly had much respect for ecology as we now understand it
Apr 26 14:08:29 <Khertan> RST38h avoids this altogether by using BT headphones << and with bt headphones, how did you manage the to less powered battery ?
Apr 26 14:08:29 <Khertan> :)
Apr 26 14:08:39 <DocScrutinizer> almost all new phones are built that way - no (or less) interference to hearing aid as well
Apr 26 14:09:24 <DocScrutinizer> Khertan: huh?
Apr 26 14:09:46 <pupnik> i hope we see 5" screens when the smartphone market expands and diversifies
Apr 26 14:09:50 <Khertan> bt headphone mean bt use ... so highter battery us
Apr 26 14:09:53 <Khertan> usage :)
Apr 26 14:10:07 <Khertan> and to be honest i m still out of power :)
Apr 26 14:10:22 <Psi> DocScrutinizer: ah, is that why gta01/02 gsm ant is at the bottom, always wondered why it was there
Apr 26 14:10:28 <DocScrutinizer> Khertan: nope. BT and headphone amp might be roundabout same power demand
Apr 26 14:10:29 <Khertan> pupnik, with 5" sized battery too :)
Apr 26 14:10:32 <MohammadAG_> i get 4 hours battery life
Apr 26 14:10:41 <nid0> 5" screens might be a bit of a stretch
Apr 26 14:10:41 <Psi> figured it was just so GPS ant could be at top facing upwards
Apr 26 14:11:17 <Khertan> DocScrutinizer, hu? you mean that using bt doesn't require more power than standart headphone ?
Apr 26 14:11:40 <SpeedEvil> Khertan: it may not
Apr 26 14:11:41 <Khertan> MohammadAG_, i got 2 hours battery life when i use it :)
Apr 26 14:11:45 <DocScrutinizer> Khertan: exactly
Apr 26 14:11:50 <SpeedEvil> Khertan: it depends on 'stuff'.
Apr 26 14:12:01 <nid0> quite probably, with BT the actual audio amp process is offloaded to the headphones
Apr 26 14:12:15 <Khertan> hum ...
Apr 26 14:12:17 <Khertan> interesting
Apr 26 14:12:37 <pupnik> Khertan: of course! 3Ah in a n810 sized device.  with a 4 row keyboard occupying the full space
Apr 26 14:12:37 <Khertan> maybe i should change my good old seinheiser headphone :)
Apr 26 14:12:55 <pupnik> a true hacker / writer keyboard
Apr 26 14:12:59 <Khertan> pupnik, 3Ah ... hum ...
Apr 26 14:13:00 <pupnik> maybe 5 row
Apr 26 14:13:09 <nid0> 5row would be optimal
Apr 26 14:13:24 <crashanddie> the power on a jack plug is hardly very big. DocScrutinizer, have any stats on that? I would still be biased to believe that 60ohm (or whatever your headphones are rated at) would use less power than BT
Apr 26 14:13:47 <SpeedEvil> Imagine if you could slide the display off the n900, and slide the keyboard onto a 6" portrait display.
Apr 26 14:13:54 <pupnik> and with the larger space, using n900 sized keys would allow for maybe 80 keys!
Apr 26 14:14:15 <SpeedEvil> crashanddie: the headphone power use isn't the only part.
Apr 26 14:14:31 <Khertan> imagine ... if you replace the screen by a second keyboard ! you ll got 6 rows !
Apr 26 14:14:36 <SpeedEvil> crashanddie: you may need to power up a headphone amp chip and d/a that the BT don't need
Apr 26 14:14:42 <crashanddie> SpeedEvil: what else wouldn't be used when headphones aren't plugged in (as opposed to BT)
Apr 26 14:14:52 <crashanddie> hmm
Apr 26 14:15:10 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: I'd guess(!) the whole hp-amp eats maybe 10..20mW. BT doesn't eat much more than that. Anyway it's both neglectable compared to total power consumption of device
Apr 26 14:15:17 <SpeedEvil> crashanddie: and possibly the BT has internal buffering, so you can power down inbetween several samples
Apr 26 14:15:45 <SpeedEvil> How do I play a wav, without involving pulseaudio?
Apr 26 14:16:00 <aep> aplay
Apr 26 14:16:17 <crashanddie> SpeedEvil: buffering on BT is non-existent. I was always under the impression that BT used more of a "UDP"-like send everything through and hope it arrives safely kind of transmission
Apr 26 14:16:23 <crashanddie> SpeedEvil: (in the case of audio)
Apr 26 14:16:53 <crashanddie> this is quite noticeable by the time it takes for a BT headset to disconnect when it goes out of range -- the conversation is only disconnected after some lengthy time
Apr 26 14:16:56 <SpeedEvil> crashanddie: buffering in the sense that instead of needing a 'packet' every 1/44000th of a second - BT is much less
Apr 26 14:17:19 <SpeedEvil> crashanddie: I do not mean it's an appreciable fraction of a second
Apr 26 14:17:21 <crashanddie> SpeedEvil: then again, you could buffer the A/D conversion, and only keep the amp on then... no?
Apr 26 14:17:40 <DocScrutinizer> nevertheless BT takes audio as a synchronous stream, no buffering
Apr 26 14:17:44 <SpeedEvil> crashanddie: yes - but that's not done
Apr 26 14:18:42 <crashanddie> hmm
Apr 26 14:19:46 <Khertan> anyway when i see the price of a good bt headphone
Apr 26 14:19:51 <DocScrutinizer> anyway neither hp-amp nor BT take a noticable fraction of the device power consumption total
Apr 26 14:20:11 <Khertan> it s a bit ten times the price of the same one without bt
Apr 26 14:20:18 <fipu> Vanadis_Work : hoi
Apr 26 14:20:39 <Khertan> anyway ... when i use my n900, i'm runnning out of power in two hours
Apr 26 14:20:45 <DocScrutinizer> during mp3 playback that is
Apr 26 14:21:04 <Khertan> so maybe bt will not made a real difference
Apr 26 14:21:26 <Khertan> does it s use more cpu to use bt than standart headphone ?
Apr 26 14:21:40 <Khertan> for managing bt for example ?
Apr 26 14:22:55 <SpeedEvil> Khertan: probably the same
Apr 26 14:23:11 <SpeedEvil> aep: pulseaudio is still using lots of cpu when I do that
Apr 26 14:23:28 <aep> no clue. i killed pulse anyway
Apr 26 14:23:41 <Khertan> hum i ask because most of the time i near limits to not have some scratch freeze in audio
Apr 26 14:23:47 <aep> but aplay SHOULD be alsa only, unless maemo hacked it
Apr 26 14:23:48 <Khertan> due to my use of my nit :)
Apr 26 14:24:14 <matthew_> Update coming any time soon?:)
Apr 26 14:24:14 <SpeedEvil> aplay /home/user/out.wav
Apr 26 14:24:14 <SpeedEvil> ALSA lib pulse.c:272:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused
Apr 26 14:24:39 <aep> ew
Apr 26 14:24:46 <crashanddie> heh, the iPad is kosher, Israel lifted the ban :)
Apr 26 14:24:56 <matthew_> do we have the ovi maps yet?
Apr 26 14:24:59 <matthew_> on n900?
Apr 26 14:25:16 <crashanddie> timeless_mbp: good news for you,you can buy one now!
Apr 26 14:25:34 <crashanddie> pupnik: good read for you:http://www.amazon.com/Ecological-Indian-Myth-History/dp/0393321002
Apr 26 14:25:38 <aep> SpeedEvil: cp file.pcm /dev/audio
Apr 26 14:25:48 <aep> in the hope they didnt hack that one too
Apr 26 14:26:27 <pupnik> crashanddie: nice
Apr 26 14:27:03 <aep> SpeedEvil: wait, thats busybox. dont use cp >_<
Apr 26 14:27:11 <SpeedEvil> aep: no dev/audio
Apr 26 14:27:20 <SpeedEvil> ah
Apr 26 14:27:25 <SpeedEvil> that may be why
Apr 26 14:27:30 <aep> i was on the wrong device. heh
Apr 26 14:28:13 <Khertan> uhuhuh uh !!! 196,25  Euros for not too bad bt headphone !
Apr 26 14:28:13 <DocScrutinizer> aep: (aplay) unless they inserted PA somewhere into the audiostack and the alsa device aplay uses is routed to a PA plugin
Apr 26 14:28:16 <Khertan> ouch !
Apr 26 14:28:17 <dneary> hi
Apr 26 14:28:26 <Khertan> i keep my cables :)
Apr 26 14:28:39 <aep> DocScrutinizer: they did.  just tried that
Apr 26 14:28:44 <aep> well SpeedEvil did
Apr 26 14:28:47 <DocScrutinizer> i know ;-P
Apr 26 14:28:48 <RST38h> Khertan: BH-905?
Apr 26 14:29:01 <SpeedEvil> aplay -l
Apr 26 14:29:01 <SpeedEvil> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
Apr 26 14:29:01 <SpeedEvil> card 0: RX51 [RX51], device 0: AIC34 tlv320aic3x-I2S-0 []
Apr 26 14:29:05 <Khertan>  PXC 310 BT
Apr 26 14:29:06 <SpeedEvil> how do I tell it to use this
Apr 26 14:29:41 <Khertan> RST38h, a nokia headphone
Apr 26 14:29:44 <Khertan> ?
Apr 26 14:30:02 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: aplay -D plughw:0,0 ?
Apr 26 14:30:27 <aep> i dont think you can. looks like aplay is not actually aplay
Apr 26 14:30:46 <DocScrutinizer> aplay for sure is aplay
Apr 26 14:31:12 <DocScrutinizer> default alsa audio device isn't really a alsa device
Apr 26 14:31:31 <DocScrutinizer> aiui
Apr 26 14:31:46 <Khertan> RST38h, ouch the BH-905 price is worst :282,00 €
Apr 26 14:36:07 <SpeedEvil> aha
Apr 26 14:36:10 <SpeedEvil> aplay -D'hw:0,0' /home/user/out.wav
Apr 26 14:36:19 <SpeedEvil> makes noises on the headphone port - after killing pa
Apr 26 14:36:31 <aep> cool
Apr 26 14:36:57 <SpeedEvil> softly - but that's fine for benchmarking
Apr 26 14:37:43 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: toldya
Apr 26 14:39:40 <DocScrutinizer> killing PA is needed because of PA probably opening the hw:0,0 alsa(!) output audiocard exclusively all the time
Apr 26 14:40:06 <RST38h> Khertan: I got mine for $199US ;)
Apr 26 14:40:37 <Khertan> RST38h, you didn't live in france :)
Apr 26 14:41:31 <RST38h> Khertan: Ah, the land of SECAM...
Apr 26 14:41:46 <Khertan> SACEM :)
Apr 26 14:41:54 <RST38h> The only format that actually required a delay line
Apr 26 14:42:19 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: take care, when output to speakers, you should include a lowpass or at very least a dc-offset balancer somewhere in your playback chain, as the amp for speakers is a D-class without any DC-rejection
Apr 26 14:42:33 <Khertan> i'm talking of SACEM the autority that tax everythings that can be use to ear, listen pirated music :)
Apr 26 14:42:49 <RST38h> Khertan: Oh, this crap is everywhere nowadays
Apr 26 14:43:32 <Khertan> yep ... hard drive, cd, n900, memory, sd, headphone,
Apr 26 14:43:39 <Khertan> nas
Apr 26 14:43:39 <aep> how do you actually kill anything? whatever i kill, restarts
Apr 26 14:43:53 <Khertan> internet access
Apr 26 14:44:03 <Khertan> and i surely forgot something
Apr 26 14:44:12 <RST38h> Can you at least pirate stuff, after paying the tax? =)
Apr 26 14:44:21 <Khertan> now ... still illegal :)
Apr 26 14:44:24 <Khertan> no ... still illegal :)
Apr 26 14:45:23 * SpeedEvil plays original pirate material.
Apr 26 14:45:26 <SpeedEvil> (the streets)
Apr 26 14:45:56 <MohammadAG> painfully got the PR1.2 keyboard installed
Apr 26 14:46:14 <aep> and why does it reboot when you kill X >_<
Apr 26 14:46:19 <SpeedEvil> Interesting.
Apr 26 14:46:46 <SpeedEvil> From a 0th cut measurement - aplay - playing a wav directly uses ~60% of the battery media player does
Apr 26 14:46:47 <Khertan> i ve reflash my n900 try to install qt4.6 was a fail :)
Apr 26 14:46:52 <SpeedEvil> (same volume, to headphones
Apr 26 14:46:54 <DocScrutinizer> aep: killing dbus is enough to reboot X-P
Apr 26 14:47:04 <Khertan> SpeedEvil, and mp3 ?
Apr 26 14:47:06 <aep> crap
Apr 26 14:47:15 <SpeedEvil> Khertan: playing mp3 - sorry
Apr 26 14:47:26 <SpeedEvil> Khertan: playing mp3 via media player - compared to wav
Apr 26 14:47:37 <aep> SpeedEvil: thats a pretty unfair comparison
Apr 26 14:47:42 <MohammadAG> ok... it works in portrait mode
Apr 26 14:47:43 <SpeedEvil> I wasn't caring about the current way - just the - possibly - most powersaving way
Apr 26 14:47:44 <SpeedEvil> yes
Apr 26 14:47:52 <MohammadAG> very cramped, hacked into rotating
Apr 26 14:47:58 <MohammadAG> but it's good
Apr 26 14:48:06 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: btw, where di you get your qwerty keymat?
Apr 26 14:48:19 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: mompls
Apr 26 14:49:06 <Torne> MohammadAG: wait, what?
Apr 26 14:49:17 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: www.saremi-mobilfunk.de
Apr 26 14:49:26 <Torne> MohammadAG: you have a portrait osk using the files from the pr1.2 sdk?
Apr 26 14:49:33 <MohammadAG> Torne, hacked into rotating
Apr 26 14:49:45 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: thanks
Apr 26 14:49:47 <Torne> i don't know what you mean by that :)
Apr 26 14:49:51 <DocScrutinizer> np mate
Apr 26 14:49:59 <MohammadAG> Torne, use the python rotate script, or force it using another method
Apr 26 14:50:59 <Torne> oh.
Apr 26 14:53:44 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: to change the keymat you just need to open the 2 torx holding the kbd frame. I don't recommend to disassemble the two halves of the phone entirely (the 4 phillips scres)
Apr 26 14:54:09 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: heh... they're generous "Ab 250 EUR Bestellwert versenden wir Ihre Bestellung DEUTSCHLANDWEIT versandkostenfrei!" at the exceptional delivery cost of 2.90 Euro, that's an incredibly offering :P
Apr 26 14:54:25 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Apr 26 14:56:52 <florian> Shapeshifter: heh... evil, where did you find this?
Apr 26 14:57:14 <Anil_> can somebody help me out with this?
Apr 26 14:57:15 <Anil_> # ./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.pynTraceback (most recent call last):n  File "./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py", line 3765, in <module>n    main()n  File "./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py", line 3754, in mainn    wizard = InstallWizard()n  File "./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py", line 3655, in __init__n    self.setPage(PageIdNokiaBins, NokiaBinsPage())n  File "./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py", line 1769, in __init__n  
Apr 26 14:57:18 <Shapeshifter> florian: http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de
Apr 26 14:57:53 <Khertan> Anil_, pastebin ....
Apr 26 14:58:03 <Anil_> what is that?
Apr 26 14:58:10 <Shapeshifter> Anil_: www.pastie.org
Apr 26 14:58:50 <Anil_> http://www.pastie.org/935553
Apr 26 14:59:51 <Anil_> will that link do?
Apr 26 15:00:24 <florian> Shapeshifter: ok it is easy not to buy anythign there ;-)
Apr 26 15:00:37 <Shapeshifter> Anil_: read line 11. it tells you what is wrong right there.
Apr 26 15:01:28 <Anil_> i'm not much into python and qt
Apr 26 15:01:47 <DocScrutinizer> florian: it's hard to find a qwerty keymat anywhere else
Apr 26 15:02:35 <Shapeshifter> spare battery is hugely expensive.
Apr 26 15:02:49 <Shapeshifter> but I'm just too much chicken to try out my hong kong battery
Apr 26 15:02:50 <DocScrutinizer> btw Nokia Repair shipped me a sylus for free :-D
Apr 26 15:02:56 <florian> All N900 spare aprts seem to be quite expensive...
Apr 26 15:03:10 <Khertan> Anil_, are you trying to install the sdk ?.
Apr 26 15:03:14 <Khertan> with gui installer ?
Apr 26 15:03:15 <Anil_> yeah
Apr 26 15:03:20 <Anil_> exactly
Apr 26 15:03:24 <Khertan> on which distribution are you ?
Apr 26 15:03:32 <Anil_> its a fedora 12
Apr 26 15:03:34 <Anil_> x64
Apr 26 15:03:47 <Treibholz> florian: cheaper than iPhone spare parts!
Apr 26 15:04:23 <DocScrutinizer> actually a few of them are quite reasonably priced
Apr 26 15:04:24 <Khertan> seems that the version of qt used haven't the same binding as the one install on your sys
Apr 26 15:04:35 <florian> Treibholz: heh true
Apr 26 15:04:47 <Anil_> how can i check that up?
Apr 26 15:05:04 <DocScrutinizer> e.g LCD
Apr 26 15:05:10 <florian> btw.. now that there is Android for the iPhone we need Maemo for it!
Apr 26 15:05:21 <Khertan> Anil_, the script will not work on fedora 12
Apr 26 15:05:26 <DocScrutinizer> for less than 100 bucks, seems like a bargain to me
Apr 26 15:05:35 <Khertan> but there is someone that explain how to modify it to use it
Apr 26 15:05:39 <Anil_> i was checking out some blog and they told me it runs fine
Apr 26 15:05:43 <Khertan> let me 2s to ask google
Apr 26 15:05:51 <Anil_> sure
Apr 26 15:05:51 <Khertan> http://www.alphatek.info/2010/02/13/install-the-nokia-n900-maemo-5-sdk-on-fedora/
Apr 26 15:05:54 <Khertan> :)
Apr 26 15:06:44 <Anil_> got the script from the same site
Apr 26 15:06:51 <MohammadAG> never realized the browser has so much dependencies
Apr 26 15:07:00 <Treibholz> Is there a way, to check the battery level on the CLI?
Apr 26 15:07:04 <Khertan> Anil_, there is also this post : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=386373#post386373
Apr 26 15:07:17 <DocScrutinizer> Treibholz: lshal|grep bat
Apr 26 15:07:44 <Treibholz> DocScrutinizer: thanks.
Apr 26 15:07:47 <DocScrutinizer> np
Apr 26 15:07:48 <Khertan> http://blog.gbraad.nl/2009/11/maemo-5-sdk-on-fedora-12.html
Apr 26 15:07:53 <Khertan> Anil_, http://blog.gbraad.nl/2009/11/maemo-5-sdk-on-fedora-12.html
Apr 26 15:07:54 <Khertan> :)
Apr 26 15:07:55 <Anil_> i get this error now
Apr 26 15:07:56 <Anil_> http://www.pastie.org/935567
Apr 26 15:08:36 <Anil_> i tried editing the file but made a mess of it
Apr 26 15:08:36 <Khertan> yum install kernel-(PAE if you have it)-devel <<<< paranthesis should not be here
Apr 26 15:08:37 <Khertan> :)
Apr 26 15:08:57 <Anil_> alright will give it a try =)
Apr 26 15:10:06 <Anil_> still getting the same error while executing the python script
Apr 26 15:11:43 <dima202> I feel like starting a new book today, can anyone recommend any literature?
Apr 26 15:12:24 <Anil_> Khertan,you still there?
Apr 26 15:15:20 <DocScrutinizer> my virkiuitti : http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4369_Original-Nokia-N900-A-Cover-Touchscreen.html
Apr 26 15:17:20 <Shapeshifter> mh. should I really spend another 80 euros on my n900 ...
Apr 26 15:17:30 <Shapeshifter> a keymat and a touchscreen.
Apr 26 15:18:23 <Shapeshifter> maybe I should just mod the existing one
Apr 26 15:18:47 <Shapeshifter> and 5 euros for a display protection is also less
Apr 26 15:21:29 <DocScrutinizer> well the keymat was well worth it for me
Apr 26 15:22:03 <Shapeshifter> I keep hitting the wrong keys now that I changed my layout ^^
Apr 26 15:22:45 <DocScrutinizer> dunno why but I always hit the wrong button for cursor keys on wertzu. It happens it were exactly the right buttons for qwerty though
Apr 26 15:23:16 * andrewfblack is having a case of the Mondays
Apr 26 15:23:25 <DocScrutinizer> now I always mix y and z
Apr 26 15:23:27 <plastun> hello! goes N900 use only NAVSTAR (GPS) navigation system?
Apr 26 15:23:38 <DocScrutinizer> have to remap those to german kbd layout :-P
Apr 26 15:23:40 <plastun> or GLONASS too?
Apr 26 15:24:05 <juke_> hi
Apr 26 15:24:57 <chem|st> plastun: what for?
Apr 26 15:25:08 <Treibholz> chem|st: hi! :-)
Apr 26 15:25:12 <chem|st> Treibholz: hi
Apr 26 15:25:22 <SpeedEvil> plastun: no GLONASS
Apr 26 15:25:33 <plastun> SpeedEvil, thanks
Apr 26 15:25:35 <SpeedEvil> plastun: also, no TRANSIT, LORAN-C.
Apr 26 15:25:47 <plastun> it's not so cool
Apr 26 15:25:54 <ShadowJK> no galileo, vors or ndbs either
Apr 26 15:26:20 <mgedmin> also, no navigation based on taking camera pictures of the night sky
Apr 26 15:26:31 <juke_> anybody know how to listen dbus  event "status_changed" from any connection ?
Apr 26 15:26:33 <SpeedEvil> mgedmin: orrery has a planetary compass
Apr 26 15:27:51 <chem|st> juke_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/DBus/Implementing_and_Using_D-Bus_Signals
Apr 26 15:28:45 <DocScrutinizer> juke_: seems there's 'an app for that' as well
Apr 26 15:32:26 <XS3> trying to install the maemo sdk on fedora 12,keep getting this error http://www.pastie.org/935553
Apr 26 15:33:14 <XS3> any help?
Apr 26 15:33:45 <corecode_> SpeedEvil: did you ever pursue the usb host thing?
Apr 26 15:34:58 <SpeedEvil> corecode_: I have regrettably other things to do
Apr 26 15:35:05 <SpeedEvil> corecode_: more boring
Apr 26 15:35:08 <mgedmin> XS3, from the error it appears you've got a different version of Qt, so the installation wizard fails
Apr 26 15:35:33 <mgedmin> older versions of Maemo 5 SDK had a shell-based installation script
Apr 26 15:35:43 <mgedmin> that one should work
Apr 26 15:35:53 <DocScrutinizer> corecode_: we have VBUS 99% sure, we have switching of termination resistors maybe 75% sure, and we have data-over-usb_no_matter_which_protocoll 100% sure
Apr 26 15:35:54 <XS3> 5 itself?
Apr 26 15:36:13 <XS3> can you send me the link or something if you have it with you?
Apr 26 15:36:23 <mgedmin> XS3, http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html
Apr 26 15:36:39 <mgedmin> the dropdown has 3 choices: GUI, Scratchbox and SDK installer
Apr 26 15:36:47 <mgedmin> try the last choice
Apr 26 15:37:00 <XS3> thanks will give it a shot
Apr 26 15:37:07 <mgedmin> there's also an installation guide
Apr 26 15:37:12 <DocScrutinizer> corecode_: so all it needs now are the correct drivers for hostmode protocol, and whatever simple script to enable VBUS
Apr 26 15:37:15 <mgedmin> or you may want to try MADDE instead, I heard it's slicker
Apr 26 15:37:30 <mgedmin> I haven't tried it (650 MB shell scripts scare me)
Apr 26 15:37:39 <XS3> there is a problem
Apr 26 15:37:43 <XS3> using f12
Apr 26 15:37:47 <chem|st> XS3: you may just run the qemu
Apr 26 15:38:04 <XS3> to rush the shell script?
Apr 26 15:38:23 <Mace_N900> hello
Apr 26 15:38:31 <chem|st> XS3: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK_Virtual_Images
Apr 26 15:39:20 <XS3> i'm trying hard to work without an emulator
Apr 26 15:40:10 <mgedmin> sure
Apr 26 15:40:31 <_Lucretia_> XS3: well the emulator is pretty much useless as it cannot emulate the target correctly, like all Nokia emulators, I don't know why they bother
Apr 26 15:40:43 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, ping
Apr 26 15:41:13 <Shapeshifter> does someone know where desktop command execution widget keeps the saved commands?
Apr 26 15:41:21 <MohammadAG> microb's saying The application has been updated but your version of SQLite is too old and the application cannot run
Apr 26 15:41:36 <Mace_N900> whoa
Apr 26 15:41:43 <XS3> it is a little annoying fedora cant run this easily
Apr 26 15:41:59 <SpeedEvil> Shapeshifter: queen beecon >desktop command ...
Apr 26 15:42:19 <chem|st> I found my self cursing that fedora is a little anoying
Apr 26 15:42:23 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: ~.foobar ?
Apr 26 15:42:32 <Mace_N900> hm
Apr 26 15:42:42 <DocScrutinizer> yay
Apr 26 15:42:46 <XS3> but i dont want to go back to debian
Apr 26 15:42:48 <Mace_N900> can this thing do ssh x stuff?
Apr 26 15:42:53 <Mace_N900> i havent tried
Apr 26 15:42:59 <SpeedEvil> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/queen-beecon/0.1.4/?net_nemein_favourites_execute=fav&net_nemein_favourites_execute_for=4f727672335511dfafabdf49b7cae29ae29a&net_nemein_favourites_url=/json/fav/org_maemo_packages_package_instance/4f727672335511dfafabdf49b7cae29ae29a/
Apr 26 15:43:22 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: huh?
Apr 26 15:43:26 <Mace_N900> i should be able to have stuff xforwarded to my n900 shouldnt i?
Apr 26 15:43:41 <chem|st> Shapeshifter: .desktop_cmd_exec
Apr 26 15:43:44 <XS3> i cant run the shell script from http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html
Apr 26 15:43:46 <mgedmin> Mace_N900, it works, but isn't very convenient, AFAICT
Apr 26 15:44:09 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: it's like command line widget, but shinier
Apr 26 15:44:17 <Shapeshifter> chem|st: thanks
Apr 26 15:44:20 <Mace_N900> ah ok
Apr 26 15:44:32 <Mace_N900> let me try it
Apr 26 15:45:12 <Shapeshifter> chem|st: nah it's not there
Apr 26 15:45:27 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: I already looked in ~/.* and ~/.config/* but it's not there.
Apr 26 15:45:34 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: aah failed to spot the queen-beecon inside this rubbish
Apr 26 15:45:58 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: gconf? :-o
Apr 26 15:46:06 <Shapeshifter> eww gconf
Apr 26 15:46:10 <Shapeshifter> meh.
Apr 26 15:46:13 <chem|st> Shapeshifter: is there just the predef?
Apr 26 15:46:15 * Shapeshifter installs queen beecon
Apr 26 15:46:26 <Shapeshifter> chem|st: there's nothing. I don't have such a file.
Apr 26 15:47:22 <DocScrutinizer> ~lart gconf
Apr 26 15:47:23 * infobot executes killall -KILL gconf
Apr 26 15:47:35 <DocScrutinizer> ~botsnack
Apr 26 15:47:35 <infobot> :), DocScrutinizer
Apr 26 15:47:50 <chem|st> Shapeshifter: mmh I just had a look... are you looking at /home/user/.desktop_cmd_exec ?
Apr 26 15:48:15 <Shapeshifter> chem|st: heh. nevermind I fail
Apr 26 15:48:18 <Shapeshifter> it's there.
Apr 26 15:48:22 <chem|st> found it?
Apr 26 15:48:24 <chem|st> ok
Apr 26 15:48:40 <chem|st> never look in to mydocs...
Apr 26 15:49:46 <DocScrutinizer> don't look into mydocs, I don't look into yours
Apr 26 15:49:52 <Shapeshifter> chem|st: nah I had 'cd' at the beginning that's why it didn't show up in tab completion
Apr 26 15:50:02 <chem|st> ~slap DocScrutinizer
Apr 26 15:50:03 * infobot slaps DocScrutinizer, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
Apr 26 15:50:18 <andrewfblack> I think I'm going to work on a project for our N810/N800 users we have left
Apr 26 15:51:38 <DocScrutinizer> thought that's been Stskeeps' most proud duty
Apr 26 15:51:40 <juke_> chem|st, yes i allready read it, but it doesn't work http://pastebin.com/A8KTwTqE
Apr 26 15:52:24 <Mace_N900> it works
Apr 26 15:52:28 <Mace_N900> :)
Apr 26 15:52:40 <Mace_N900> this n900 is so great
Apr 26 15:52:59 <Mace_N900> if i get a good office app and cups theres no more need for a laptop
Apr 26 15:53:00 <Mace_N900> heh
Apr 26 15:53:40 <DocScrutinizer> methinks there's cups somewhere...
Apr 26 15:54:26 <DocScrutinizer> alas a bit awkward as you can use lan-printers only
Apr 26 15:54:31 <Mace_N900> doc, they had it for maemo4
Apr 26 15:54:39 <Mace_N900> thats fine
Apr 26 15:54:59 <Mace_N900> better tbh
Apr 26 15:55:17 <Treibholz> DocScrutinizer: what else do you want to use? BT? IR?
Apr 26 15:55:26 <Mace_N900> id rather use a standalone network printer over one hooked up
Apr 26 15:55:36 <DocScrutinizer> Treibholz: USB ftw!!
Apr 26 15:55:40 <Mace_N900> haha
Apr 26 15:55:43 <DocScrutinizer> ;-P
Apr 26 15:55:56 <Mace_N900> naw.. printing over wifi works fine
Apr 26 15:56:11 <Treibholz> DocScrutinizer: should work.
Apr 26 15:56:22 <Treibholz> DocScrutinizer: if you get USB-Host to work.
Apr 26 15:56:42 <DocScrutinizer> that's why I mentioned it ;-)
Apr 26 15:56:45 <Mace_N900> haha
Apr 26 15:56:47 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: solder it
Apr 26 15:56:56 <DocScrutinizer> no soldering involved
Apr 26 15:57:14 <DocScrutinizer> the hw is ready for showtime
Apr 26 15:57:31 <Mace_N900> hm
Apr 26 15:57:57 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: pong?
Apr 26 15:58:06 <MohammadAG> microb's saying The application has been updated but your version of SQLite is too old and the application cannot run
Apr 26 15:58:17 <Stskeeps>       
Apr 26 15:58:24 <DocScrutinizer> heh
Apr 26 15:58:25 <timeless_mbp> what did you do?
Apr 26 15:58:26 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: you sure? or did you bond the last pin already
Apr 26 15:58:34 <Treibholz> why do you all want to stick even more cables in this little device!
Apr 26 15:58:50 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: about 99.5% sure
Apr 26 15:58:55 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, something that I should've have done/be doing
Apr 26 15:59:07 <MohammadAG> putting that aside...
Apr 26 15:59:27 <timeless_mbp> http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/storage/src/mozStorageService.cpp#83
Apr 26 15:59:43 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: let me put it this way: we put Openmoko FR USB-host to operation
Apr 26 15:59:47 <timeless_mbp> why should i put that aside? :)
Apr 26 16:00:00 <Khertan> HUHU There is finally a maemo device with extra large display !!!! : http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs276.snc3/27954_385357045677_628300677_3987679_746814_n.jpg
Apr 26 16:00:04 <DocScrutinizer> now I got the schematics of N900, and I think the hw is fine
Apr 26 16:00:08 <MohammadAG> cause I shouldn't be doing it :)
Apr 26 16:00:10 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: roughly: "don't downgrade sqlite" and "don't upgrade microb without ensuring your version of sqlite is compatible"
Apr 26 16:00:29 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: you should be able to find out the version of sqlite that microb requires
Apr 26 16:00:30 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, well it is compatible
Apr 26 16:00:35 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: doubtful
Apr 26 16:00:39 <MohammadAG> apt-cache show
Apr 26 16:00:42 <timeless_mbp> we don't bump sqlite versions needlessly
Apr 26 16:00:42 <MohammadAG> I upgraded it
Apr 26 16:00:46 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: well if it isn't bonded to the chip it wont work
Apr 26 16:00:52 <timeless_mbp> we bump them because we *need* changes to sqlite
Apr 26 16:01:00 <luke-jr> timeless_mbp: what happened to the package manager?
Apr 26 16:01:01 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: what?
Apr 26 16:01:04 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, you don't bump them in extras-devel :)
Apr 26 16:01:09 <timeless_mbp> luke-jr: ?
Apr 26 16:01:13 <MohammadAG> but you do bump them somewhere else :)
Apr 26 16:01:20 <luke-jr> timeless_mbp: if microb needs a newer sqlite, it should depend on it
Apr 26 16:01:35 <timeless_mbp> luke-jr: i'd hope it does...
Apr 26 16:01:48 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: there's no such thing like an unbonded pin we would *need* for USB-host
Apr 26 16:02:03 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, ii  libsqlite3-0   3.6.14-1maemo3 SQLite 3 shared library
Apr 26 16:02:55 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: my device isn't current
Apr 26 16:02:59 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: there *might* be hw issues with OTG, but honestly who cares about OTG at all?
Apr 26 16:03:01 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: then go ahead ;) you will make many ppl happy
Apr 26 16:03:05 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: apt-cache show microb-engine|grep sqlite
Apr 26 16:03:15 <Shapeshifter> Khertan: woot
Apr 26 16:03:16 <timeless_mbp> if there isn't a dependency listed for sqlite, please file a bug
Apr 26 16:03:18 * timeless_mbp can't find one
Apr 26 16:03:23 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, basically my device is like yours right now
Apr 26 16:03:30 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: doubtful
Apr 26 16:03:33 <timeless_mbp> mine is a bit out of date
Apr 26 16:03:36 <Khertan> Shapeshifter, :)
Apr 26 16:03:40 <MohammadAG> I won't file a bug, since I obviously brought this upon myself
Apr 26 16:03:48 <MohammadAG> (think PR1.2)
Apr 26 16:04:12 <Treibholz> but what is the realistic use of a usb-host?
Apr 26 16:04:18 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: if there isn't a version dependency between microb-engine and sqlite
Apr 26 16:04:25 <timeless_mbp> and if we depend on system sqlite, then that's a bug <period>
Apr 26 16:04:30 <timeless_mbp> pr1.2 isn't really related
Apr 26 16:04:39 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: I'd need a kernel wizard to supply the ohci drivers to swap them for the musb
Apr 26 16:05:02 <SpeedEvil> Treibholz: many.
Apr 26 16:05:04 <andrewfblack> anyone got a copy of the Diablo template.svg around.  Can't find it in my dropbox and theme maker 1.1 doesn't come with svg format of template
Apr 26 16:05:13 <Treibholz> SpeedEvil: tell me one.
Apr 26 16:05:19 <DocScrutinizer> or something like that, probably you can tell from this sentence I'm not that wizard
Apr 26 16:05:20 <SpeedEvil> Treibholz: for example - plugging in a 1tb disk.
Apr 26 16:05:52 <SpeedEvil> Treibholz: Or a USB keyboard. Or a webcam, or ...
Apr 26 16:06:00 <Treibholz> SpeedEvil: great idea! for ten minutes and the battery is empty.
Apr 26 16:06:16 <Treibholz> SpeedEvil: keyboard is better with BT
Apr 26 16:06:17 * timeless_mbp sighs
Apr 26 16:06:18 * timeless_mbp will file
Apr 26 16:06:19 <SpeedEvil> Treibholz: Or perhaps more interestingly - a USB screen adaptor
Apr 26 16:06:34 <Treibholz> webcam? the n900 has two cameras!
Apr 26 16:06:45 <Shapeshifter> a compass
Apr 26 16:06:51 <Shapeshifter> I'd like to plug in a digital compass.
Apr 26 16:06:54 <SpeedEvil> Treibholz: it's interesting - generally - in the case where it's plugged into a charger - so battery doesn't come into it.
Apr 26 16:06:56 <DocScrutinizer> an IrDA dongle
Apr 26 16:07:09 <chem|st> Treibholz: same here they must have a different device
Apr 26 16:07:10 <DocScrutinizer> a simple card-reader
Apr 26 16:07:16 <Shapeshifter> oh yes
Apr 26 16:07:23 <DocScrutinizer> a decent Camera
Apr 26 16:07:26 <Kegetys> or a joystick! http://junk.kegetys.net/mobile_gaming.jpg  ;)
Apr 26 16:07:28 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, file what?
Apr 26 16:07:33 <MohammadAG> don't file anything!
Apr 26 16:07:57 <DocScrutinizer> Treibholz: (bat flat) that's what a y-cable is for
Apr 26 16:08:04 <stonda> Kegetys: haha
Apr 26 16:08:04 * Khertan just discover that git.kernel.org contain non-free content ...
Apr 26 16:08:05 <Khertan> ouch
Apr 26 16:08:06 <Khertan> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.28.y.git;a=blob;f=drivers/net/wan/wanxlfw.inc_shipped
Apr 26 16:08:14 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: cam? use SDIO-cards!
Apr 26 16:08:14 <DocScrutinizer> in companion with externally powered host mode
Apr 26 16:08:37 <Khertan> everybody claim that maemo is far from being 100% free
Apr 26 16:08:52 <Treibholz> chem|st: the only usefull scenario I can see is storage for data-exchange without another machine.
Apr 26 16:08:58 <Stskeeps> Khertan: it's ~43% free
Apr 26 16:09:01 <DocScrutinizer> maybe my G6 isn't remote controllable via SD-card
Apr 26 16:09:05 * timeless_mbp is confused
Apr 26 16:09:13 <chem|st> as you arent able to supply power you need an external PSU
Apr 26 16:09:13 <Khertan> but from what i see ... none of the three most used distributions aren't too ...
Apr 26 16:09:14 <SpeedEvil> Treibholz: fine. You don't have to use it. I - personally - would find it very useful.
Apr 26 16:09:25 <Stskeeps> Khertan: well, firmware is one thing
Apr 26 16:09:42 <SpeedEvil> Treibholz: plug n900 into a USB hub, with a keyboard, USB monitor adaptor, and soundcard, and you've got a basic workstation.
Apr 26 16:09:49 <Khertan> but from what i see ... none of the three most used distributions aren't too ... (ubuntu, fedora, mandriva) aren't totally free too
Apr 26 16:09:55 <Treibholz> SpeedEvil: and USB-RAM?
Apr 26 16:09:58 <Stskeeps> well
Apr 26 16:10:08 <Stskeeps> redistributable firmware is probably the least evil
Apr 26 16:10:08 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 26 16:10:21 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: a very slow workstation
Apr 26 16:10:38 <DocScrutinizer> bah, much faster than my CF27
Apr 26 16:10:51 <frals> MohammadAG: you installing all the packages from SDK on your device?
Apr 26 16:10:58 * frals just woke up
Apr 26 16:11:15 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: Slow - perhaps.
Apr 26 16:11:23 <MohammadAG> frals, I've done it before, but I kinda borked a part of it
Apr 26 16:11:24 <Stskeeps> you have been up drinking in .fi until 4am?
Apr 26 16:11:24 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 26 16:11:26 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: adequate for many tasks - sure
Apr 26 16:11:30 <Treibholz> chem|st: I think my standard workstation-setup wouldn't be that slow, as long as you use everything else via ssh.
Apr 26 16:12:06 <Khertan> Stskeeps, maybe ... maybe not ... we didn't know what it's contain  ...
Apr 26 16:12:17 <chem|st> without PSU you are bound to some minutes of use and it is getting interesting on the go but everywhere I need a proper workstation I got one...
Apr 26 16:12:21 <Kegetys> usb host would also allow controlling dslr cameras and see the live view with the high resolution display
Apr 26 16:12:35 <DocScrutinizer> but the KILLER usecase: I want my usb-fan X-P
Apr 26 16:12:53 <Treibholz> DocScrutinizer: or refrigerator/cup-warmer.
Apr 26 16:13:00 <DocScrutinizer> hehehe
Apr 26 16:13:04 <DocScrutinizer> as well, yeah
Apr 26 16:13:06 <Kegetys> or usb vacuum cleaner
Apr 26 16:13:09 <pupnik> argh dell streak only has 1500 mAh
Apr 26 16:13:31 <Treibholz> pupnik: I get only 500 here...
Apr 26 16:13:40 <Shapeshifter> even my old Psion 5MX had a coffee machine!
Apr 26 16:14:37 <pupnik> Treibholz: what?  500 mAh where?
Apr 26 16:15:02 <Treibholz> pupnik: maemo.charger.type = 'host 500 mA'  (string)
Apr 26 16:15:03 <Kegetys> is it possible by the way to make the device appear as a custom usb device when plugged into a computer? like emulating a displaylink usb monitor
Apr 26 16:15:36 <chem|st> Treibholz: true, for ppl like you and me who Xfwd just anything and use X to have several terminals and a mouse-buffer
Apr 26 16:16:16 <chem|st> reminds me that I got to go home and fix my openGL...
Apr 26 16:16:41 <Shapeshifter> http://utenti.multimania.it/epocoffee/hard.html see
Apr 26 16:17:21 <MohammadAG> damn, my N900's kind of hot
Apr 26 16:17:58 <RST38h> Mohammad: Torrent?
Apr 26 16:18:00 <frals> Stskeeps: ;D
Apr 26 16:18:34 <MohammadAG> RST38h, nope, don't torrent stuff on it (in fact I don't torrent at all)
Apr 26 16:18:51 <nid0> my device doesnt like transmission very much
Apr 26 16:19:36 <RST38h> Mohammad: Ah! The pious one!
Apr 26 16:19:56 <SpeedEvil> Kegetys: yes. You just need to load the appropriate usb-gadget driver. HJowever, I'm not sure anyone has written a usb-gaget-displaylink adaptor
Apr 26 16:20:08 <SpeedEvil> Kegetys: it would be interesting
Apr 26 16:20:44 <matthew_> guys are you as let down as I am
Apr 26 16:20:50 <chem|st> Kegetys: that and serving just easy as an USB-LAN device and so on
Apr 26 16:21:00 <matthew_> still no update
Apr 26 16:21:11 <matthew_> still no maps
Apr 26 16:21:28 <nid0> my device seems to have a maps application
Apr 26 16:21:33 <nid0> maybe you should reflash yours
Apr 26 16:21:34 <chem|st> matthew_: stop moan and fight!
Apr 26 16:21:40 <Kegetys> would be nice, though I wonder how fast the N900 can read/write the usb bus
Apr 26 16:21:57 <peetah> exit
Apr 26 16:22:02 <peetah> oops
Apr 26 16:22:04 <matthew_> nid0: maps yes, not the new ovi maps available on any other device
Apr 26 16:22:05 <matthew_> ;d
Apr 26 16:22:12 <SpeedEvil> Kegetys: it flashes at ~10Mbytes/s IIRC
Apr 26 16:22:14 <DocScrutinizer> Kegetys: depends on the drivers you associate to the USB
Apr 26 16:22:17 <chem|st> matthew_: that wont come with pr1.2
Apr 26 16:22:29 <Kegetys> I think the real displaylink devices push quite close to the usb 2.0 limit
Apr 26 16:22:35 <nid0> why would you expect Maemo to have Synbian's maps application, exactly?
Apr 26 16:22:44 <nid0> and when have nokia ever even suggested it would?
Apr 26 16:22:51 <matthew_> chem|st: do we have an idea when 1.2 ?
Apr 26 16:23:01 <matthew_> nid0: let me find it
Apr 26 16:23:08 <chem|st> like hurd... pretty soon
Apr 26 16:23:27 <chem|st> matthew_: you wont find it....
Apr 26 16:23:30 <matthew_> ofc i will
Apr 26 16:23:48 <matthew_> it was Coming soon
Apr 26 16:23:54 <chem|st> matthew_: nokia never did
Apr 26 16:24:21 <matthew_> chem|st: ovi maps 3.03 ?
Apr 26 16:24:31 <matthew_> Yesterday’s announcement that Ovi Maps 3.03 is set to offer free navigation caused a big stir in the industry, but enthusiasm was tempered somewhat by the fact that updated versions of Ovi Maps will initially only be supported by 10 smartphones. If you’re a Nokia N900 user, which runs Maemo 5 rather than Symbian, thankfully support is on its way. Read on to find out more…
Apr 26 16:24:41 <slonopotamus> it would be funny if pr1.2 never came out :)
Apr 26 16:25:03 <nid0> matthew_, so whats your source for that
Apr 26 16:25:09 <matthew_> At present, the latest version of Ovi Maps only runs on Symbian-based devices, with a limited number of handsets supported. With 10 models supporting the new app at present, Nokia is rolling out support for other models in the coming days and weeks, and you can expect to find the Nokia N900 among the smartphones set to benefit.
Apr 26 16:25:10 <timeless_mbp> slonopotamus: for some definition of funny
Apr 26 16:25:46 <matthew_> nid0: when u used to go
Apr 26 16:25:50 <matthew_> to ovi store from ur device
Apr 26 16:25:56 <matthew_> and ovi maps was avaiable to click on
Apr 26 16:26:06 <matthew_> then it came out as Available soon
Apr 26 16:26:48 <matthew_> nid0: The new Nokia Ovi Maps free navigation update is live now for ten Symbian S60 smartphones, but if you’ve just slapped down for the Maemo fueled Nokia N900, don’t worry: Espoo has confirmed you’ll be getting that free satnav goodness shortly too.
Apr 26 16:26:55 <matthew_> At the press conference announcing the news this morning, Nokia executive vice president Anssi Vanjoki confirmed that the Nokia N900, which runs Maemo 5, a different operating system to most Nokia smartphones, will eventually support the free turn by turn service too.
Apr 26 16:26:56 <nid0> I never saw that, and what you just posted seems to clearly be a reporter's/blogger's speculation to me, not anything from nokia
Apr 26 16:27:12 <nid0> see that word "eventually" in there?
Apr 26 16:27:28 <slonopotamus> hehe
Apr 26 16:27:40 <chem|st> 'will eventually support'
Apr 26 16:28:08 <matthew_> Anssi Vanjoki, Nokia’s executive vice president, announced in a press conference this morning that although  Nokia N900 which runs on Maemo 5, a different operating system than most Nokia smartphones, the free turn by turn service will be available for its users too.
Apr 26 16:28:26 <matthew_> http://thenokiaguide.com/2010/02/24/has-nokia-forgotten-about-the-n900/
Apr 26 16:28:26 <slonopotamus> eventually = never?
Apr 26 16:28:29 <chem|st> pointing the maps thingi on ovi to n900 brings up that it is pre installed...
Apr 26 16:28:45 <matthew_> nid0: I saw it
Apr 26 16:28:49 <chem|st> slonopotamus: something like that
Apr 26 16:28:54 <matthew_> check the press release of 3.03
Apr 26 16:29:04 <nid0> ovi maps 3.03 has nothing to do with maemo
Apr 26 16:29:18 <nid0> theyre different pieces of software for different operating systems, they just happen to share a name
Apr 26 16:29:27 <slonopotamus> chem|st: as likely as flash 10 or properly working front camera, yep? :)
Apr 26 16:29:56 <chem|st> slonopotamus: front cam is working and afaik video call is coming with 1.2
Apr 26 16:29:57 <Disconnect> any maemo.org admins around? need to recover my old account (or at least i'd like to) btu I don't know what the email was..
Apr 26 16:30:02 <matthew_> I'm saying bye to n900 in a month :<
Apr 26 16:30:09 <slonopotamus> chem|st: no it doesn't.
Apr 26 16:30:35 <slonopotamus> chem|st: garbage that it produces can't be called 'working'
Apr 26 16:30:37 <matthew_> maybe in a few months when they will come out with better software
Apr 26 16:30:44 <matthew_> or meego device ill come back to nokia
Apr 26 16:30:44 <chem|st> slonopotamus: ??? my frontcam works like a charm and with a script I take pictures...
Apr 26 16:30:50 <Disconnect> matthew_: there is an android port in progress ;)
Apr 26 16:30:50 <matthew_> but for now, it's goe for me
Apr 26 16:30:54 <slonopotamus> ...
Apr 26 16:31:01 <chem|st> slonopotamus: amsn has video call...
Apr 26 16:31:09 <slonopotamus> chem|st: gimme your script, i'll take a shot
Apr 26 16:31:27 <chem|st> slonopotamus: install healthcheck
Apr 26 16:31:30 <matthew_> Disconnect: I dont know what to get really
Apr 26 16:31:50 <Shapeshifter> matthew_: so, what have you learned? "don't buy a device depending on promises or expectations"
Apr 26 16:32:06 <slonopotamus> chem|st: broken deps, no wai
Apr 26 16:32:16 <matthew_> Shapeshifter: yeah
Apr 26 16:32:23 <Shapeshifter> matthew_: well then, farewell.
Apr 26 16:32:29 <nid0> well, more important than that is not to buy a device based on unsubstantiated unofficial promises or *false* expectations
Apr 26 16:32:53 <MohammadAG> andre__, The next bugday is planned for April 2010.
Apr 26 16:33:07 <nid0> we need more testing marathons
Apr 26 16:33:10 <nid0> and testers.
Apr 26 16:33:22 <matthew_> I dare to say I had n900 earlier than most of you, was one of the first to get hackbox in my hands
Apr 26 16:33:33 <matthew_> and i didnt have many expectations
Apr 26 16:33:44 <matthew_> the device works well
Apr 26 16:33:53 <matthew_> but you can get much more from different ones
Apr 26 16:33:56 <slonopotamus> how i understand which repo package comes from with apt-get?
Apr 26 16:34:04 <nid0> you dont
Apr 26 16:34:17 <matthew_> cant even run a div'x smoothly
Apr 26 16:34:24 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: maybe a 'tip us some maemo news' form on mwkn?
Apr 26 16:34:44 <matthew_> video recording is poor
Apr 26 16:35:04 <matthew_> even omnia released like a year before records in 720p
Apr 26 16:35:12 <lcukn900> matthew_ i dare to say i had it longggg before even you
Apr 26 16:35:33 <matthew_> lcukn900: maybe, but doubt sooo long ;)
Apr 26 16:35:52 <nid0> a cameraphone that "records in 720p" is fuck all more than a marketing advert and has essentially no relevance whatsoever to the actual quality of video it records
Apr 26 16:36:27 <matthew_> nid0: what about playing videos?
Apr 26 16:36:31 <matthew_> normal divx
Apr 26 16:36:39 <matthew_> if ill plug it to my TV its soo choppy
Apr 26 16:36:46 <nid0> what about them, I use my device to play videos on the device and on my and my girlfriend's tv all the time
Apr 26 16:36:49 <chem|st> slonopotamus: gst-launch v4l2camsrc num-buffers=1 ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=640,height=480 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! dspjpegenc ! filesink location=test.jpg
Apr 26 16:36:59 <nid0> was using it daily for a month and a half while my archos tablet was getting repaired
Apr 26 16:37:04 <nid0> it plays them all perfectly
Apr 26 16:37:10 <chem|st> slonopotamus: doesnt work in dark room
Apr 26 16:37:16 <matthew_> nid0: on mine ist choppy
Apr 26 16:37:24 <lcukn900> nid0 tv out is amazing
Apr 26 16:37:29 <nid0> sucks for you then I guess, on mine it's perfect
Apr 26 16:37:35 <slonopotamus> chem|st: gst-lauch not found
Apr 26 16:37:59 <chem|st> try /usr/bin/gst-launch
Apr 26 16:38:44 <slonopotamus> chem|st: that's on path. no, i don't have it anywhere
Apr 26 16:40:14 <chem|st> set location to /home/user/MyDocs/test.jpg
Apr 26 16:40:22 <matthew_> nid0: yeah, well its slow
Apr 26 16:40:43 <chem|st> slonopotamus: ah you mean you dont have gst-launch?
Apr 26 16:41:05 <slonopotamus> chem|st: exactly
Apr 26 16:41:21 <chem|st> ???
Apr 26 16:43:30 <chem|st> apt-get install gstreamer-tools
Apr 26 16:43:58 <Treibholz> mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video1
Apr 26 16:43:58 <slonopotamus> ok, installed it
Apr 26 16:44:02 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: I've done things like that before - they tend to get painful with spambots pretty quickly :-(
Apr 26 16:44:05 <Treibholz> works perfectly!
Apr 26 16:44:54 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: captcha? :P
Apr 26 16:45:08 <chem|st> Treibholz: what I say
Apr 26 16:45:20 <slonopotamus> chem|st: it just produces black image :/
Apr 26 16:45:43 <Treibholz> 'mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video1 -vf mirror' and you may shave yourself!
Apr 26 16:45:48 <chem|st> put it to a light source
Apr 26 16:46:25 * slonopotamus goes for a short trip to sun
Apr 26 16:46:32 * GAN900 lols @ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=627007
Apr 26 16:47:24 <slonopotamus> oh my
Apr 26 16:47:29 <timeless_mbp> slonopotamus: how short?
Apr 26 16:47:34 <slonopotamus> chem|st: !!!
Apr 26 16:47:46 <slonopotamus> chem|st: it take shots from back camera
Apr 26 16:47:49 <chem|st> slonopotamus: !!!
Apr 26 16:47:58 <chem|st> mmh
Apr 26 16:48:01 <slonopotamus> chem|st: and i was talking about broken front one
Apr 26 16:48:21 <pwnguin> yay, replacement stylii back in stock
Apr 26 16:48:42 <slonopotamus> everything ws black because shutter was closed :)
Apr 26 16:48:53 <slonopotamus> timeless_mbp: false alarm
Apr 26 16:48:57 <chem|st> slonopotamus: oops missing a "device=/dev/video1" after v4l2camsrc
Apr 26 16:49:03 <slonopotamus> k
Apr 26 16:49:16 <chem|st> have you mplayer installed?
Apr 26 16:50:55 <timeless_mbp> slonopotamus: i'm supposed to visit oracle née Sun sometime this week
Apr 26 16:53:20 <chem|st> slonopotamus: does it work now?
Apr 26 16:53:58 <slonopotamus> chem|st: yep, however i don't have enough light currently to produce something viewable with it
Apr 26 16:54:51 <slonopotamus> well
Apr 26 16:54:53 <chem|st> slonopotamus: well its just a test, install mplayer and try what Treibholz said
Apr 26 16:55:10 <slonopotamus> chem|st: it's _much_ better than what mirror app shows
Apr 26 16:55:27 <chem|st> slonopotamus: that changed over time
Apr 26 16:55:39 <DocScrutinizer> aspect ratio is kinda odd for me
Apr 26 16:56:03 <slonopotamus> chem|st: what do you mean by 'over time'?
Apr 26 16:56:04 <DocScrutinizer> with 'mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video1 -vf mirror'
Apr 26 16:56:54 <chem|st> the first captures I saw where terrible so with the last pr release there was a driver fix as well
Apr 26 16:57:44 <chem|st> and mplayer shows an acceptable picture for a webcam (continuous)
Apr 26 16:57:45 <slonopotamus> no, i have total crap with mirror app _right now_
Apr 26 16:58:09 <chem|st> slonopotamus: never checked that I just purged it as I dont need it
Apr 26 16:58:17 <chem|st> but mplayer works aswell
Apr 26 16:58:20 <slonopotamus> k
Apr 26 16:58:56 <chem|st> gotta go
Apr 26 16:58:59 <chem|st> byebye
Apr 26 16:59:27 <slonopotamus> bye
Apr 26 17:08:56 <Nyler> hi guys, is  develpment 4 n800 finished, or will peeps still make apps?
Apr 26 17:09:10 <timeless_mbp> people are free to do whatever they like
Apr 26 17:09:18 <Shapeshifter> what a cool answer
Apr 26 17:09:19 <timeless_mbp> most people probably are unlikely to work on maemo4/4.1
Apr 26 17:09:42 <timeless_mbp> the userbase for n800/n810 can't grow as nokia is no longer producing them
Apr 26 17:10:06 <timeless_mbp> typically people work on things where the userbase has a potential for growth
Apr 26 17:11:08 <Nyler> yes when money is to be made, but has the n800 software development, ever been bout money
Apr 26 17:11:26 * timeless_mbp is pretty sure the potential userbase for the n900 is at least 10x the size of the n800/n810, quite possibly much larger
Apr 26 17:11:42 <timeless_mbp> fame before fortune!
Apr 26 17:12:18 <timeless_mbp> and also if you're a dev, you tend to want to work on modern software, especially software where if there's a problem w/ the underlying bits, you have a better chance of reporting a bug and getting it fixed
Apr 26 17:12:32 <timeless_mbp> the older the base software, the worse the chances of an engineer managing to convince someone to fix it
Apr 26 17:13:33 <andrewfblack> Nyler: I'm working on a new maemo4 Theme right now
Apr 26 17:13:48 * timeless_mbp should update some n900 packages
Apr 26 17:14:15 <Nyler> was watchin n900 unboxing on you tube, i was in awe
Apr 26 17:14:57 <lcukn900> nyler did you see the hacker box versiona.
Apr 26 17:15:10 <lcukn900> version? even
Apr 26 17:15:12 <Nyler> yes it was awesome
Apr 26 17:15:29 <Nyler> want 1 bigtime
Apr 26 17:15:34 <petteri> just today, I saw a couple of non nerdy looking teenage girls using n900, so i would guess that n900 has sold quite well here in finland :D
Apr 26 17:15:44 <lcukn900> lol
Apr 26 17:15:47 <luke-jr> Nyler: N810 was "finished" like 2 years ago
Apr 26 17:15:58 <lcukn900> did they have pink cases?
Apr 26 17:16:10 <lcukn900> tracy has a jelly and a hard case for hers
Apr 26 17:16:10 <ToJa92> I have not seen anyone here in my town using an N900 :(
Apr 26 17:16:13 <Nyler> free on 30 pound month, 24 month contract uk
Apr 26 17:16:22 <Treibholz> lcukn900: 'mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video1 -vf mirror'
Apr 26 17:16:23 <petteri> sadly no pink cases :D
Apr 26 17:16:29 <Treibholz> lcukn900: you can use it as a mirror!
Apr 26 17:16:30 <lcukn900> but im thinking of spraying it cos neither are perfect
Apr 26 17:16:48 <lcukn900> use what as a mirror? the n900?
Apr 26 17:16:51 <ToJa92> possibly because it has been advertised about ~0 times
Apr 26 17:16:54 <Treibholz> lcukn900: yes.
Apr 26 17:16:59 <lcukn900> easier to download mirror surely
Apr 26 17:17:08 <lcukn900> cos i havent got mplayer
Apr 26 17:17:59 <ToJa92> can you save the mplayer output to the disk somehow?
Apr 26 17:18:56 <Treibholz> ToJa92: with mencoder
Apr 26 17:19:06 <Treibholz> should work.
Apr 26 17:19:11 <Nyler> this n800 will have to do for while. is the meamo site the only place to get apps?
Apr 26 17:19:11 <MohammadAG> App Manager is still slow on PR1.2
Apr 26 17:19:14 <MohammadAG> it was my i5
Apr 26 17:19:45 <lcukn900> moh its processing thousands of apps from multiple repos
Apr 26 17:19:52 <lcukn900> disable the ones you dont use
Apr 26 17:20:02 <lcukn900> save memory cpu battery sanity
Apr 26 17:20:25 <Nyler> whats the battery like on n900
Apr 26 17:20:54 <ToJa92> its like one, and if you're lucky, two days
Apr 26 17:20:58 <ToJa92> one day*
Apr 26 17:21:02 <lcukn900> very pretty, good looking design
Apr 26 17:21:07 <ToJa92> depends on usage, though
Apr 26 17:21:21 <kevloral> Hi all
Apr 26 17:21:23 <lcukn900> slots easily into device
Apr 26 17:21:26 <MohammadAG> lcukn900, I know, but on the SDK it was faster than before so I thought it was fixed
Apr 26 17:21:40 <zgoldberg> X-Fade: ping
Apr 26 17:21:42 <MohammadAG> installed PR1.2 packages from my cache, and it's the same speed
Apr 26 17:21:44 <petteri> without the IM accounts connected my batter lasts about two days
Apr 26 17:21:47 <MohammadAG> also updated apt-utils
Apr 26 17:22:13 <Jaffa> GAN900: Always nice to feel valued. Especially the "you're not forum focused enough!"
Apr 26 17:22:17 <lcukn900> moh mmmn not sure its likely to be combination of things
Apr 26 17:22:40 <Nyler> i dont mind plugging in each nite though,next to me ready for action.
Apr 26 17:22:45 <zgoldberg> X-Fade: having an issue with the autobuilder.  pygi builds OK but then the debs never show up on maemo.org/packages.  (http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/pygi/0.5+GIT20100424-1maemo2/)
Apr 26 17:23:19 <MohammadAG> zgoldberg, give it time...
Apr 26 17:23:24 <lcukn900> i plug in when im at desk but when im not its rare im hunting for power points on normal device
Apr 26 17:23:28 <zgoldberg> MohammadAG: its been 3 days
Apr 26 17:23:41 <MohammadAG> oh that's a lot of time then
Apr 26 17:23:52 <zgoldberg> usually it takes like 30 mins or so
Apr 26 17:24:30 <MohammadAG> yeah I know
Apr 26 17:24:35 <MohammadAG> I thought you never uploaded before
Apr 26 17:24:42 <zgoldberg> nope, done a whole bunch =P
Apr 26 17:24:45 <lcukn900> thats lag if ever i heard it lol
Apr 26 17:24:53 <zgoldberg> I'm pretty sure something broke
Apr 26 17:25:01 <zgoldberg> the built .deb never showed up in the repo either
Apr 26 17:25:17 <zgoldberg> http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/p/pygi/ is empty
Apr 26 17:25:38 <SpeedEvil> ToJa92: I get easily ~2.5 days, connected to wifi, with ssh active.
Apr 26 17:26:00 <SpeedEvil> ToJa92: 'normal' use - for me - maybe 24 hours.
Apr 26 17:26:19 <SpeedEvil> ToJa92: It can be flattened in ~3-4h of heavy 3g use though
Apr 26 17:26:29 <ToJa92> [SpeedEvil]: I'm connected to 3G the entire day and I usually charge it the entire night... I could disable it and probably get another day though.
Apr 26 17:26:49 <SpeedEvil> By active, I mean continual data
Apr 26 17:26:54 <SpeedEvil> say streaming radio
Apr 26 17:26:58 <Nyler> sound
Apr 26 17:29:00 <ToJa92> well, continual data streaming would kill most devices pretty fast, I guess
Apr 26 17:29:50 <SpeedEvil> It's actually not terrible on 2g
Apr 26 17:29:54 <SpeedEvil> but...
Apr 26 17:31:04 <summel> the backup application does not work on my friends n900, but it works on mine...
Apr 26 17:31:19 <summel> also his sdhc card gets mountet ro after he reboots
Apr 26 17:31:41 <summel> and he then reformatted it but backups still didnt work and the memory card fs got corrupted again
Apr 26 17:32:55 <frals> does the memcard work fine elsewhere?
Apr 26 17:33:10 <summel> yes
Apr 26 17:33:21 <summel> he has some music and SIDs on it that play fine
Apr 26 17:33:44 <timeless_mbp> did you try chkdsk? :)
Apr 26 17:34:04 <summel> hmmm i'll ask him once he is out of the bathroom ^^
Apr 26 17:34:07 <MohammadAG> fsck ftw :P
Apr 26 17:34:15 <summel> is that preinstalled on the n900?
Apr 26 17:34:20 <MohammadAG> yes
Apr 26 17:34:22 <timeless_mbp> it comes with windows
Apr 26 17:34:23 <MohammadAG> fsck.vfat
Apr 26 17:34:24 <timeless_mbp> (chkdsk)
Apr 26 17:34:31 <timeless_mbp> summel: sd cards are interesting critters
Apr 26 17:34:34 <summel> also i guess the fs should be fine if it is freshly formatted oO
Apr 26 17:34:39 <MohammadAG> (you need to be as root however)
Apr 26 17:34:41 <timeless_mbp> they're often not implemented according to the standard
Apr 26 17:34:52 <summel> he said there is no fsck oO but i will try
Apr 26 17:35:03 <timeless_mbp> summel: you'd want to have it check the whole volume, not just a fast check
Apr 26 17:35:03 <MohammadAG> summel, as root there is
Apr 26 17:35:18 <timeless_mbp> the goal is to detect and mark bad sectors
Apr 26 17:35:18 <SpeedEvil> timeless: seen http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 ?
Apr 26 17:35:24 <timeless_mbp> no?
Apr 26 17:35:26 <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900-02-8:/home/user/MyDocs/.documents# fsck.ext3 /dev/mmcblk1p1
Apr 26 17:35:28 <MohammadAG> e2fsck 1.41.3.maemo0 (12-Oct-2008)
Apr 26 17:35:28 <MohammadAG> /dev/mmcblk1p1 is mounted.
Apr 26 17:35:34 <summel> hm ok he probably tried it as a normal user then
Apr 26 17:35:38 <SpeedEvil> SD card forensics
Apr 26 17:35:41 <summel> but i will tell him :)
Apr 26 17:36:24 <timeless_mbp> SpeedEvil: reading, very cool
Apr 26 17:42:47 * ioeee saluda o/
Apr 26 17:49:04 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, yeah, yeah, Mr. I-Get-20-Hearts-a-Week-on-Planet. :P
Apr 26 17:56:36 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/aB2pyWEh
Apr 26 17:56:45 <MohammadAG> (cc DocScrutinizer51)
Apr 26 18:02:32 <DocScrutinizer51> mohammadag: hmm...
Apr 26 18:02:32 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: Yeah, yeah Mr "I was practicly top of the karma charts for 3 years" ;-)
Apr 26 18:02:44 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, damn the Bugzilla nerfing! :(
Apr 26 18:02:50 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer51, I can't dial 911 lmao
Apr 26 18:02:55 <MohammadAG> I broke the phone app
Apr 26 18:03:10 <MohammadAG> but PR1.1.9 is now installed
Apr 26 18:03:16 <MohammadAG> I just need the version bump now
Apr 26 18:04:45 <DocScrutinizer51> you'll feel depressed when PR1.2 is released tomorrow morning ;-)
Apr 26 18:04:52 <summel> can i somehow install the qt version from the "normal" n900 repository in the sdk?
Apr 26 18:05:10 * MohammadAG quotes DocScrutinizer51 in a "PR1.2 RELEASE DATE LEAKED" thread
Apr 26 18:05:11 <MohammadAG> :P
Apr 26 18:06:02 <MohammadAG> how do I downgrade using apt ;)
Apr 26 18:06:13 <Jaffa> MohammadAG: You should join the MWKN contributor cabal. We all know when it's going to be released, but we don't like sharing info... despite, err, writing a news digest.
Apr 26 18:06:50 <MohammadAG> Jaffa, I'm not really desperate :P
Apr 26 18:06:58 * MohammadAG looks for a sign up button
Apr 26 18:07:01 <MohammadAG> jk :P
Apr 26 18:07:28 <dimitra> helo, how I setup clutter in scratchbox plz?
Apr 26 18:07:55 * RST38h looks at Jaffa inquiringly, considering thermorectal cryptoanalysis
Apr 26 18:08:16 * MohammadAG doesn't know what RST38h just said
Apr 26 18:08:19 <DocScrutinizer51> (downgrade via apt) good question. I knew that mazbe end of last year
Apr 26 18:08:23 <MohammadAG> except for the looks part
Apr 26 18:09:32 <Jaffa> RST38h: Latest crackpot tmo theory.
Apr 26 18:10:52 <GAN900> Jaffa, you're holding out on us and we all know it!
Apr 26 18:12:13 <Jaffa> GAN900: It's going to be delivered by apt-tachyon, whoch is the reason for the delay. PR1.1.5 will enable that, and then we'll get PR1.2 two weeks ago.
Apr 26 18:12:24 <Jaffa> s/whoch/which/
Apr 26 18:12:24 <infobot> Jaffa meant: GAN900: It's going to be delivered by apt-tachyon, which is the reason for the delay. PR1.1.5 will enable that, and then we'll get PR1.2 two weeks ago.
Apr 26 18:12:36 <frals> :D
Apr 26 18:12:38 <Corsac> using apt-ipot?
Apr 26 18:12:56 <summel> apt-fluxcapacitor
Apr 26 18:13:47 <MohammadAG> Jaffa, is it getting released this decade?
Apr 26 18:13:51 * MohammadAG hopes for a yes
Apr 26 18:16:08 <GeneralAntilles> MohammadAG, the Hong Kong announcement says it'll be released there on the 29th.
Apr 26 18:16:09 <dimitra> helo, how I setup clutter in scratchbox plz?
Apr 26 18:16:41 <MohammadAG> GeneralAntilles, but there != here :)
Apr 26 18:16:42 <Jaffa> PR1.2 can only be got by accelerating to 88mph and supplying 1.21GW to your N900. Then of the overclocking you could get with that much power!
Apr 26 18:17:06 <MohammadAG> Jaffa, why 88?
Apr 26 18:17:10 <Jaffa> s/Then/Think/
Apr 26 18:17:10 <infobot> Jaffa meant: PR1.2 can only be got by accelerating to 88mph and supplying 1.21GW to your N900. Think of the overclocking you could get with that much power!
Apr 26 18:17:29 <MohammadAG> oooh crap
Apr 26 18:17:38 <MohammadAG> libhildon1 is in nokia-binaries
Apr 26 18:17:42 * MohammadAG doesn't have access to those
Apr 26 18:18:04 <Jaffa> MohammadAG: If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88mph you're hoing to see some serious shit.
Apr 26 18:18:34 <korhojoa> Jaffa: a burning N900?
Apr 26 18:18:43 * MohammadAG accelerates to 88
Apr 26 18:18:51 <MohammadAG> nope, nothing different
Apr 26 18:19:00 <MohammadAG> who's on PR1.1.1 here?
Apr 26 18:19:46 <MohammadAG> (seriously)
Apr 26 18:19:52 <Jaffa> MohammadAG: You need to supply 1.21GW too, remember.
Apr 26 18:19:56 <MohammadAG> I want the libhildon1 version
Apr 26 18:19:56 <Jaffa> MohammadAG: yup
Apr 26 18:20:01 <MohammadAG> oh I missed that
Apr 26 18:20:27 <Jaffa> MohammadAG: 2.2.3-1+0m5
Apr 26 18:21:40 <MohammadAG> Jaffa, thanks!
Apr 26 18:21:53 <MohammadAG> I should've kept version numbers :s
Apr 26 18:22:24 <wazd1> woo, I'm going to SPB to meet Jeremiah :)
Apr 26 18:22:53 <Jaffa> wazd1: Buy him a beer from me
Apr 26 18:22:55 <andrewfblack> Jaffa: Don't see much plutonium for sale anymore
Apr 26 18:23:18 <wazd1> Jaffa: sure :)
Apr 26 18:23:39 <Jaffa> andrewfblack: Hmm, I was sure you'd be able to walk into any corner drug store and buy it. However, I guess it's a little harder to come by.
Apr 26 18:23:47 * Jaffa looks for some Libyans.
Apr 26 18:24:14 <GeneralAntilles> andrewfblack, so, I hear you've been repatriated back into the UK. :P
Apr 26 18:24:22 <andrewfblack> Jaffa: just get a Mr Fusion, then you can use soda and banana peels
Apr 26 18:24:34 <GeneralAntilles> MohammadAG, sure, but it seems unlikely that we'd see a Hong Kong release before a Global release.
Apr 26 18:24:43 <dimitra> I installed scratchbox from nokia's tutorial with fremantle.. I can compile gtk/hildon/gst libs, but not clutter .. anyone can help?
Apr 26 18:24:49 <GeneralAntilles> MohammadAG, I mean, if it's good enough for HK, why wouldn't it be good enough for us?
Apr 26 18:24:57 <VDVsx> wazd1, hopbeat is there as well
Apr 26 18:25:06 <Jaffa> andrewfblack: Only 5 years to wait!
Apr 26 18:25:11 <MohammadAG> GeneralAntilles, cause it's made in China!
Apr 26 18:25:13 <MohammadAG> :P
Apr 26 18:25:13 <andrewfblack> GeneralAntilles: ??
Apr 26 18:25:26 <GeneralAntilles> andrewfblack, sorry, there's another Andrew Black on Planet.
Apr 26 18:25:40 * GeneralAntilles did a double-take when I saw his nametag at LFSF
Apr 26 18:25:44 <andrewfblack> GeneralAntilles: He must leave their can not be 2 of use
Apr 26 18:26:09 <andrewfblack> GeneralAntilles: did you snatch it off his shirt and say YOUR NOT ANDREW BLACK!!!
Apr 26 18:26:32 <andrewfblack> GeneralAntilles: you have to go to SELF now no excuss if you went to LFSF
Apr 26 18:26:48 <luke-jr> lol
Apr 26 18:28:01 <andrewfblack> btw its the F that makes me special
Apr 26 18:28:44 <GAN900> andrewfblack, hey, Nokia paid my way to SF
Apr 26 18:29:43 * GAN900 laughs at people still using WinCE and getting 4-6 hours out of a tablet device.
Apr 26 18:29:56 <andrewfblack> GAN900: I was hoping to see Nokia pay for lots of things like that but I have long given up on idea of Outreach Group
Apr 26 18:30:19 <GAN900> Yeah. . . .
Apr 26 18:30:20 <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900-02-8:/home/user/MyDocs/.documents# dpkg -r --force-all hildon-input-method tablet-browser-ui *sniff*
Apr 26 18:31:48 <|R> PR1.1.5 ? what?
Apr 26 18:32:05 <Corsac> PR1.31415927
Apr 26 18:32:06 <MohammadAG> nothing
Apr 26 18:32:28 <GAN900> |R, everytime you say its name, Nokia delays another 12 hours.
Apr 26 18:32:38 <|R> sweet, long term support!
Apr 26 18:32:40 <|R> :P
Apr 26 18:33:11 <MohammadAG> my menu feels empty
Apr 26 18:34:14 <dimitra> someone helps me to set up clutter in scratchbox plz?
Apr 26 18:35:08 <wazd1> VDVsx: wow :)
Apr 26 18:35:22 <wazd1> VDVsx: that will be like quasi-summit for me :D
Apr 26 18:35:31 <VDVsx> lol
Apr 26 18:35:59 <GAN900> wazd1, by the way, we cancelled all future Summits.
Apr 26 18:36:07 <VDVsx> wazd1, still no passport ?
Apr 26 18:36:38 <GAN900> wazd1, so even if you can get out of the country, there's nowhere for you to go. :P
Apr 26 18:36:58 <Corsac> hmhm, funny, wonder how this is done: http://freshhand.livejournal.com/14622.html
Apr 26 18:37:00 <VDVsx> GAN900, yeah, and the budgets will be rerouted to my account ;D
Apr 26 18:37:25 <frals> nice VDVsx is buying lunch tomrorow then!
Apr 26 18:37:34 <GAN900> VDVsx, psh, you aint chair anymore. Clearly Nokia will be buying Jaffa a new yacht.
Apr 26 18:37:56 <VDVsx> well, it summit budget will be more than lunch :D
Apr 26 18:38:07 <GAN900> We hope.
Apr 26 18:38:09 <VDVsx> S/it/with/
Apr 26 18:38:30 <dimitra> none use clutter here? :(
Apr 26 18:38:44 <wazd1> VDVsx: no, actually I have pasport now :)
Apr 26 18:39:00 <wazd1> GAN900: and killing license too :D
Apr 26 18:39:20 <VDVsx> wazd1, so take the train from SP to Helsinki and I'll pay you a beer :D eheh
Apr 26 18:39:43 <VDVsx> killing license might be handy ;)
Apr 26 18:39:50 <wazd1> VDVsx: are you in Hel(l) now? :D
Apr 26 18:40:07 <VDVsx> yup in Hell :D
Apr 26 18:40:09 * VDVsx hides
Apr 26 18:40:29 <wazd1> VDVsx: then why don't you come to SPB? :)
Apr 26 18:40:40 <VDVsx> work :(
Apr 26 18:40:49 <GAN900> lol
Apr 26 18:40:51 <GAN900> Fail
Apr 26 18:41:14 <GAN900> VDVsx, clearly you took the wrong position. Work and drinking with Maemo people should coincide. :P
Apr 26 18:41:33 <andrewfblack> thats it Maemo4 Mameo-org theme is done
Apr 26 18:42:02 <VDVsx> GAN900, my license is only for the weekends or when abroad :D
Apr 26 18:45:27 <MohammadAG> what would happen if I removed dpkg? :p
Apr 26 18:45:40 <Mousey> Bad Things(tm)
Apr 26 18:45:53 <MohammadAG> would it even remove itself?
Apr 26 18:46:59 <squidd> how can something rly remove itself :O
Apr 26 18:47:13 <MohammadAG> type /part and you'll see :P
Apr 26 18:47:29 <BCMM> what does a white ! on a red circle, in my status area, mean?
Apr 26 18:47:49 <MohammadAG> BCMM, unable to connect to one or more accounts, and you're "busy"
Apr 26 18:47:52 <timeless_mbp> presence errors
Apr 26 18:48:05 <BCMM> ah
Apr 26 18:48:19 <BCMM> yeah, it has indeed failed to connect to one of my accounts
Apr 26 18:49:13 * noobmonk3y grumbles at x-chat telling me i have finished my 30 day trial......... grrrrrrrr
Apr 26 18:49:26 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, XChat 2
Apr 26 18:49:48 <MohammadAG> basically, xchat is open source
Apr 26 18:49:53 <noobmonk3y> meh not got time for that 15 mins before i go out trying to sort something in healthcheck
Apr 26 18:49:54 <MohammadAG> so someone just compiled it
Apr 26 18:49:55 <MohammadAG> http://www.silverex.org/news/
Apr 26 18:50:46 <noobmonk3y> w00t_: are you alive? :D
Apr 26 18:51:20 <GAN900> noobmonk3y, punishment for using Windows.
Apr 26 18:51:49 <MohammadAG> The SDK repo is useful for recovery!
Apr 26 18:52:37 <noobmonk3y> lol GAN900
Apr 26 18:52:38 <MohammadAG> I successfully updated to PR1.crippled2 and downgraded to 1.1.1 :D http://pastebin.com/YiTLRzxH
Apr 26 18:52:52 <MohammadAG> (had to manually remove broken packages)
Apr 26 18:53:47 <BCMM> noobmonk3y: a windows build of x-chat?
Apr 26 18:53:51 <BCMM> or is the maemo one like that?
Apr 26 18:54:00 <noobmonk3y> this is the web version
Apr 26 18:54:07 <noobmonk3y> while i dload another version of xchat
Apr 26 18:54:35 <MohammadAG> scratch that, it reinstalled PR1.2
Apr 26 18:54:35 <BCMM> noobmonk3y: no, i mean the version with the trial
Apr 26 18:54:53 <BCMM> anyway, if it's windows, there are some less well-known builds that just work
Apr 26 18:55:27 <BCMM> i think the official line is that building stuff for windows is annoying and expensive
Apr 26 18:55:28 <noobmonk3y> oh windows xchat
Apr 26 18:55:42 <noobmonk3y> http://xchat.org/windows/#register
Apr 26 18:55:48 <BCMM> noobmonk3y: oh sorry, probably confused things by versioning you
Apr 26 18:55:53 <noobmonk3y> yup lol
Apr 26 18:56:26 <BCMM> noobmonk3y: the xchat devs take the above attitude, basically saying they won't be bothered with windows unless you pay them
Apr 26 18:56:33 * noobmonk3y_ farts
Apr 26 18:56:33 <BCMM> but there are unofficial builds
Apr 26 18:56:42 * noobmonk3y punches noobmonk3y_ 
Apr 26 18:56:45 <andrewfblack> Just noticed http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42319 this theme is basiclly parts of two of my themes made into one.
Apr 26 18:56:50 <BCMM> (which is of course entirely legal and in the spirit of open-source)
Apr 26 18:57:09 <noobmonk3y_> :D
Apr 26 18:57:11 <BCMM> andrewfblack: with attribution?
Apr 26 18:57:28 <Corsac> MohammadAG: you got a PR1.2 apt source on bittorrent? :)
Apr 26 18:57:42 <BCMM> andrewfblack: doesn't look bad; where are the originals?
Apr 26 18:57:47 <andrewfblack> BCMM: he said what themes he took the work from doesn't list me as creator on thread but I really don't care
Apr 26 18:58:00 <MohammadAG> no I got the PR1.2 packages from the SDK and installed them, breaking all dependencies by doing so
Apr 26 18:58:17 <andrewfblack> BCMM: LinuxMint which is in my Theme Hackers Garage and FreDiablo
Apr 26 18:58:21 <MohammadAG> well I have an exam tomorrow, I'll just put it on charge and explain to my teacher what it's restoring
Apr 26 18:58:23 <MohammadAG> will be lulz
Apr 26 18:58:59 <noobmonk3y> hmmmm
Apr 26 18:59:01 <MohammadAG> he punched himself ^
Apr 26 18:59:02 <noobmonk3y> i killed it
Apr 26 18:59:24 * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout
Apr 26 18:59:48 <MohammadAG> I'll brb in a while
Apr 26 18:59:50 * noobmonk3y giggles
Apr 26 18:59:54 <noobmonk3y> okies MohammadAG
Apr 26 19:00:05 * MohammadAG types sudo halt
Apr 26 19:01:03 * satmd hides the enter keys
Apr 26 19:02:21 <BCMM> frals: sorry for the version but really did need to know...
Apr 26 19:03:53 <frals> i can imagine it being some kind of life or death situation am i right? ;)
Apr 26 19:05:37 <andrewfblack> anyone got a n810/n800 booted up around them right now?
Apr 26 19:06:10 <BCMM> frals: well, an mIRC use in a linux-related channel is nearly that, right?
Apr 26 19:06:13 <BCMM> ^user
Apr 26 19:06:31 <frals> pft, mirc über alles!
Apr 26 19:06:50 <timeless_mbp> andrewfblack: i have one on a shelf in the corridor
Apr 26 19:07:29 <frals> hmm my encoding seems really fubar
Apr 26 19:07:33 <andrewfblack> timeless_mbp: if your bored give this a try http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2240466/Software/FreDiablo-Maemo-org.deb
Apr 26 19:07:48 <andrewfblack> timeless_mbp: Just warning you I havn't tried it yet
Apr 26 19:07:59 <andrewfblack> got to find the charger for my n810
Apr 26 19:08:04 * Shapeshifter notices once again that the picture quality of the n900 is beyond abysmal. Needs to remember to take his pocket camera to events
Apr 26 19:09:34 <noobmonk3y> w00000000000p
Apr 26 19:09:42 <noobmonk3y> healthcheck 1.1.1-6 gone to extras-devel :D
Apr 26 19:10:15 <frals> releasespammer!
Apr 26 19:10:24 <noobmonk3y> hell yeah troutspammer!
Apr 26 19:10:38 <noobmonk3y> suck on my trouty releases!
Apr 26 19:10:46 <frals> :D
Apr 26 19:10:57 <Corsac> andrewfblack: you seems to have problems in your .debv
Apr 26 19:10:58 <Corsac> -v
Apr 26 19:11:02 <Corsac> -rw-r--r-- ablack/0        468 2010-04-26 21:05 themes/FreDiablo-Maemo-org/images/qgn_plat_task_navigation_application_switcher_04_highlighted.png
Apr 26 19:11:06 <Corsac> that doesn't look good :)
Apr 26 19:11:57 <noobmonk3y> frals,  hows finland? :D
Apr 26 19:12:24 <frals> dark and chilly atm ;D
Apr 26 19:12:29 <andrewfblack> Corsac: built this one on old theme maker I might need to do it by hand when I get home and on a linux computer.
Apr 26 19:12:37 <frals> had a nice pizza for dinner thou \o/
Apr 26 19:12:51 <frals> and got my hands on domino cookies so its a win all in all so far :D
Apr 26 19:12:52 <noobmonk3y> ooo cool :D :D
Apr 26 19:12:55 <VDVsx> frals, dark ? lol
Apr 26 19:13:15 <frals> VDVsx: im not sure which way you got a view, but the harbor sure is dark :P
Apr 26 19:13:46 <VDVsx> its night, so its normal, but we had a very sunny day :D
Apr 26 19:13:56 <frals> aye was great weather all day
Apr 26 19:20:17 <frals> VDVsx: how long does it take to walk to nrc from here? ;P
Apr 26 19:21:10 * noobmonk3y is off out and expects frals to have eaten a full trout by the time he gets back
Apr 26 19:21:27 <frals> oi shutup wnkr :)
Apr 26 19:21:40 <noobmonk3y> oh baby
Apr 26 19:22:07 <opdf2> is it possible to transfer data wireless (not bluetooth)?
Apr 26 19:22:32 <SpeedEvil> you mean over wifi?
Apr 26 19:22:45 <opdf2> yeah on the 27GB
Apr 26 19:22:46 <dmj726> Hooray, I'm accepted for Google Summer of Code!
Apr 26 19:23:00 <BCMM> dmj726: w00t! what project?
Apr 26 19:23:20 <dmj726> optical page reader for the n900
Apr 26 19:24:01 <SpeedEvil> dmj726: Do you do punch cards as well?
Apr 26 19:24:12 <dmj726> ?
Apr 26 19:24:42 <SpeedEvil> nvm
Apr 26 19:24:52 <dmj726> I suppose that would be useful too.
Apr 26 19:25:03 <BCMM> dmj726: like, OCR?
Apr 26 19:25:08 <dmj726> Exactly
Apr 26 19:25:26 <BCMM> hmm, didn't know photos were good enough for that
Apr 26 19:25:30 <dmj726> It would take a picture, OCR it, and speak the output.
Apr 26 19:25:34 <BCMM> that could be kind of awesome
Apr 26 19:25:47 <Shapeshifter> dmj726: mh. how did you find out?
Apr 26 19:25:53 <dmj726> They can be if you take a decent picture and do a fair amount of image processing.
Apr 26 19:25:54 <BCMM> well, meh on the speaking for me, but being able to photo a document then edit it would be damn cool
Apr 26 19:26:04 <dmj726> Google sent an email
Apr 26 19:26:06 <Shapeshifter> dmj726: congratulations btw :)
Apr 26 19:26:18 <timeless> andrewfblack: couldn't create themes/... no such file or directory
Apr 26 19:26:22 <dmj726> I'm really happy about this.
Apr 26 19:26:24 <BCMM> dmj726: so the work is in hte "fair amount of image processing"?
Apr 26 19:26:30 <timeless> no idea what firmware i'm using, but
Apr 26 19:26:31 <Shapeshifter> dmj726: I'd be too, I got rejected ;)
Apr 26 19:26:39 <timeless> ... we're off to hunt food
Apr 26 19:26:41 <timeless> bye
Apr 26 19:26:42 <dmj726> What was your proposal?
Apr 26 19:26:47 <andrewfblack> timeless: thats cool I think part of it is really long theme name
Apr 26 19:27:01 <Shapeshifter> dmj726: desktop search widget (a la spotlight etc.)
Apr 26 19:27:12 <dmj726> The work is in getting the image processing right and porting a bunch of stuff and getting the parts to work together.
Apr 26 19:27:15 <SpeedEvil> Isn't tehre alreasy a desktop search widget?
Apr 26 19:27:29 <Shapeshifter> SpeedEvil: is there?
Apr 26 19:27:36 <SpeedEvil> Shapeshifter: or do you mean without the browser?
Apr 26 19:27:46 <Shapeshifter> SpeedEvil: sure. local search. using tracker
Apr 26 19:27:51 <dmj726> Shapeshifter: Was that one of the stock ideas?
Apr 26 19:27:51 <SpeedEvil> Shapeshifter: ah
Apr 26 19:28:07 <SpeedEvil> Shapeshifter: ht://dig - in principle might do it
Apr 26 19:28:07 <Shapeshifter> dmj726: it was on the list but there was no mentor noted
Apr 26 19:28:22 <SpeedEvil> Shapeshifter: oh - using tracker
Apr 26 19:28:32 <BCMM> cool that google is impartial enough to help with a project for somebody else's Linux smartphone
Apr 26 19:28:51 <vanadismobile> hai
Apr 26 19:28:56 <dmj726> Shapeshifter: I've noticed that there are sometimes multiple applicants for the ones on the list, so they just pick one of them.
Apr 26 19:29:12 <vanadismobile> anybody using torrent on N900?
Apr 26 19:29:19 <Shapeshifter> dmj726: how did you prepare yourself? What did you do before writing the application?
Apr 26 19:29:40 * SpeedEvil passes Shapeshifter the opening sequence to Rocky.
Apr 26 19:30:02 <dmj726> I talked with some people to help refine my idea, wrote a bit of test code, made a demo video, etc.
Apr 26 19:30:03 <vanadismobile> QTRapids, transmission,uremote, which is the most usable?
Apr 26 19:30:05 * microlith can't wait for apt-tachyon
Apr 26 19:30:06 <Shapeshifter> I wonder if the idea in general was rejected, or if my proposal wasn't convincing enough. I read the API, the tracker wiki and asked on the ml. well I didn't have any convincing milestones really, was a bit cheap
Apr 26 19:30:14 <Shapeshifter> dmj726: ah yep, that no doubt helps :)
Apr 26 19:30:26 <Shapeshifter> I should have done more xD
Apr 26 19:30:47 <dmj726> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGOZYGM5sOs
Apr 26 19:31:36 <dmj726> I suspect most of the views are from Cory Doctorow's blog. :P
Apr 26 19:32:01 <Shapeshifter> dmj726: cool
Apr 26 19:36:30 <RST38h> the choice of a book in this video is...mmmhmm...
Apr 26 19:36:35 <Noobmonk3y> fucksocks.......
Apr 26 19:37:11 <dmj726> I thought it was an appropriate choice. :)
Apr 26 19:37:30 * Noobmonk3y blames MohammadAG .....
Apr 26 19:46:16 <dmj726> florian: Hi!
Apr 26 19:46:18 <panaggio> I'm not approved on gsoc, but I asked my mentor if he would mentor unnofficially, and he said yes
Apr 26 19:46:52 <panaggio> is there anything I have to do to make this less official? Or shoud I just work with him and it's all ok?
Apr 26 19:46:52 <florian> re
Apr 26 19:47:06 <dmj726> panaggio: The only real difference between being accepted and not is the money.
Apr 26 19:47:35 <dmj726> florian: I'm your student!
Apr 26 19:48:06 <SpeedEvil> panaggio: drink more
Apr 26 19:48:39 <dmj726> panaggio: I'd say just work with him and make some great code.
Apr 26 19:48:45 <RST38h> florian: You can now officially exploit him.
Apr 26 19:51:30 <panaggio> dmj726: well, I'll do my best, with or without the money
Apr 26 19:51:46 <florian> oh announcements?! cool
Apr 26 19:52:07 <florian> dmj726: cool - welcome to the club :-)(
Apr 26 19:52:15 <dmj726> panaggio: The reason I like GSoC is that it lets me devote much more time to the code.
Apr 26 19:52:46 <MohammadAG> hmm, maemo copies a custom ringtone to /home/user so that it rings with our tone
Apr 26 19:52:51 <dmj726> Yep, I know we haven't talked before about the project.  The mentor situation took some silly turns.
Apr 26 19:52:56 <MohammadAG> smart, S60 never did that
Apr 26 20:00:15 <BCMM> does the n900 do video calls?
Apr 26 20:00:33 <MohammadAG> Gtalk yes
Apr 26 20:00:33 <BCMM> (i mean, 3g ones - have read about various issues surrounding SIP and Skype)
Apr 26 20:00:36 <MohammadAG> the rest no
Apr 26 20:00:53 <BCMM> is it technically possible for it to appear in an update?
Apr 26 20:01:11 <GAN900> You know, where's fiferboy when you need him?
Apr 26 20:02:02 <Robot101> BCMM: technically possible, but I've seen no talk of any 3G video call support from anyone anywhere, I wouldn't hold your breath
Apr 26 20:02:13 <Dassu> :( Kinda sucks that n900 is not able to do skype video calls without fring
Apr 26 20:02:52 <libi81> ciau xD
Apr 26 20:03:43 <MohammadAG> Dassu, does fring make video calls?
Apr 26 20:05:05 <DocScrutinizer> who could help me out about g_file_ether, musb_hdc, and general operation scheme around switching between different roles of USB?
Apr 26 20:05:18 <Stskeeps>    
Apr 26 20:05:57 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: was this a 'me' ?
Apr 26 20:06:05 <Dassu> MohammadAG: yep
Apr 26 20:06:17 * Dassu hasn't tried but I saw a video on that
Apr 26 20:06:34 <MohammadAG> Dassu, it does on symbian
Apr 26 20:06:41 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: not intentionally, and im busy atm
Apr 26 20:06:46 <MohammadAG> not sure about maemo but I'm 60% sure you can't
Apr 26 20:07:07 <Dassu> That fring was running on n900
Apr 26 20:07:59 <shvedsky> hi, I'm a jealous GSoC student... was there a Shepherd proposal better than mine?  Or just the idea is crap? :-)
Apr 26 20:08:27 <silbo__> xD
Apr 26 20:08:34 <silbo__> you didn
Apr 26 20:08:38 <silbo__> you didn
Apr 26 20:08:47 <silbo__> you didn't get selected?
Apr 26 20:08:48 <trumee> is it possible to export bookmarks from microb?
Apr 26 20:08:48 * SpeedEvil ponders a flock of sheep with solar powered n900s on collars.
Apr 26 20:09:52 * DocScrutinizer suggests GTA02 for this - much more rugged
Apr 26 20:10:41 <SpeedEvil> Also - sheep aren't bothered by buzz - so A6 should be fine.
Apr 26 20:10:51 <trumee> microb has been crashing on me. i want to save the bookmarks and delete .mozilla/microb folder for a fresh start.
Apr 26 20:11:10 <dmj726> http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_project/show/google/gsoc2010/maemo/t127230761170
Apr 26 20:11:24 <dmj726> shvedsky: ^^
Apr 26 20:13:33 <silbo__> is there a list of the students?
Apr 26 20:14:06 <Scelt> Mek: did you get that packaging working for HOMM2?
Apr 26 20:14:06 <DocScrutinizer> no kernel hackers around, to answer me a few questions?
Apr 26 20:14:13 <MohammadAG> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51103 huh
Apr 26 20:14:23 <Scelt> Mek: sorry, wrong nick
Apr 26 20:16:19 <trumee> MohammadAG: that is a funny one
Apr 26 20:16:31 <MohammadAG> trumee, it's a full copy of my post
Apr 26 20:16:44 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: could you look into http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/isp1704.h, http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c (!), and relatives, and tell me what you think we need to talk usb-host on N900?
Apr 26 20:18:54 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: I have to admit I'm a little lost as I don't even see any musb-hdr kernel module in lsmod, just g_file_storage
Apr 26 20:25:10 <ecksun> shvedsky, sorry for taking your gsoc slot :(
Apr 26 20:26:21 <Stskeeps> list is out?
Apr 26 20:26:36 <dmj726> yep
Apr 26 20:26:40 <Stskeeps> url?
Apr 26 20:26:42 <dmj726> I'm accepted!
Apr 26 20:26:58 <dmj726> http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/list_projects/google/gsoc2010
Apr 26 20:27:30 <ecksun> congraz dmj726
Apr 26 20:27:50 <ecksun> you should have recived a mail
Apr 26 20:29:34 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: though on plugin of Host PC I get in dmsg:
Apr 26 20:29:39 <DocScrutinizer> [12585.166473] musb_hdrc periph: enabled ep1in for bulk IN, maxpacket 512
Apr 26 20:29:41 <DocScrutinizer> [12585.166534] musb_hdrc periph: enabled ep1out for bulk OUT, maxpacket 512
Apr 26 20:29:42 <DocScrutinizer> [12585.166564] g_file_storage gadget: high speed config #1
Apr 26 20:30:25 <DocScrutinizer> still no musb_hdrc in lsmod. Seems to be compiled into kernel?
Apr 26 20:35:21 <ShadowJK> there's musb_hdrc in /sys
Apr 26 20:35:42 <DocScrutinizer> though, on selecting 'PC suite mode' (2nd time leap in http://paste.debian.net/70758/ ) I get a very interesting:
Apr 26 20:36:01 <DocScrutinizer> [12764.004364] musb_hdrc musb_hdrc: MUSB HDRC host driver
Apr 26 20:36:02 <DocScrutinizer> [12764.015441] musb_hdrc musb_hdrc: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
Apr 26 20:39:11 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: I know. Staring at it for 2h now
Apr 26 20:40:05 <shvedsky> ecksun: np
Apr 26 20:40:13 <shvedsky> I've picked the wrong strategy
Apr 26 20:40:44 <shvedsky> I thought it would be frouiflu, but none of the projects I applied it to succeded
Apr 26 20:41:13 <shvedsky> (as a free advise: never make "getting things done" as your GSoC strategy.  Noone needs it in this particular program)
Apr 26 20:42:43 <summel> how can i get the qt version from the n900 in the sdk?...
Apr 26 20:42:53 <summel> i cant add the repos from my n900 to the sdk :(
Apr 26 20:43:30 <shvedsky> so now maemo is just a phone... yet anotherr stupid phone.
Apr 26 20:43:37 <shvedsky> n900*
Apr 26 20:43:39 <shvedsky> hm
Apr 26 20:43:51 <summel> just a phone? oO
Apr 26 20:44:30 <dmj726> just a phone?
Apr 26 20:44:40 <ecksun> shvedsky, how many projects did you apply for?
Apr 26 20:45:11 <dmj726> generally, It's best to make one or two really good proposals than a whole bunch.
Apr 26 20:45:26 <ecksun> yes, that has been my strategy
Apr 26 20:45:40 <GAN900> shvedsky, huh?
Apr 26 20:46:12 <shvedsky> ecksun: applied to 2, another two were I didn't apply to because I couldn't even get to proposal stage with that approach.
Apr 26 20:46:22 <ecksun> I see
Apr 26 20:46:26 <summel> so how can i compile a working qt4 app for the n900? -_-
Apr 26 20:47:10 <dmj726> shvedsky: Perhaps you could post your proposal for critique?
Apr 26 20:47:18 <shvedsky> dmj726:  no I won't.
Apr 26 20:47:44 <shvedsky> dmj726: post-factum critique is what really sucks :-)
Apr 26 20:47:47 <dmj726> Also, communicating with the community during the proposal period helps a lot.
Apr 26 20:48:06 <dmj726> Well, I meant so you'd know what do do better next year.
Apr 26 20:48:27 <shvedsky> :-)
Apr 26 20:48:40 <dmj726> anyway, I'll read it if you want.
Apr 26 20:48:47 <shvedsky> nah, it's not what I came here for, really :-)
Apr 26 20:48:54 <dmj726> ok
Apr 26 20:49:03 <shvedsky> just to congratulet ethe curren winner :-) ecksun, gz :-)
Apr 26 20:49:26 <summel> anyone? :)
Apr 26 20:49:28 <summel> :(
Apr 26 20:49:30 <shvedsky> perhaps, programming is not my career anyway :-)
Apr 26 20:49:35 <shvedsky> bye, guys :-)
Apr 26 20:50:01 <ecksun> ShadowJK, thank you :)
Apr 26 20:50:30 <ecksun> oh, he had parted :(
Apr 26 20:50:35 <ecksun> ShadowJK, sry, tabed the wrong nick
Apr 26 20:50:47 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: look at -> http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c#1977 o.O
Apr 26 20:52:53 <ShadowJK> uh :-)
Apr 26 20:55:07 <trumee> ecksun, dmj726:what are your proposals?
Apr 26 20:55:51 <ecksun> i applyed for shepherd
Apr 26 20:56:01 <summel> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.2/ is this the next major update?
Apr 26 20:56:06 <dmj726> https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/djordan2/GSoC%20proposal%202010.pdf
Apr 26 20:56:08 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: 2011, 2019,19
Apr 26 20:56:18 <DocScrutinizer> err 18,19
Apr 26 20:56:21 <ecksun> trumee, would you like so see the actuail proposal?
Apr 26 20:57:03 <trumee> ecksun: no was interested in the topic only.
Apr 26 20:57:03 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: echo 'host' > /sys/bus/pl*/devices/musb_hdrc/mode
Apr 26 20:57:40 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: but I remember having tried this last year, and it didn't really pan out
Apr 26 20:57:46 <dmj726> trumee: Here's a video that sums it up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGOZYGM5sOs
Apr 26 20:58:09 <ecksun> trumee, okay :)
Apr 26 20:58:18 <ecksun> do you know how many proposals were accepted to maemo?
Apr 26 20:59:02 <trumee> ecksun: shepherd will be very useful for maemo community.
Apr 26 20:59:12 <ecksun> yes, I really hope so
Apr 26 20:59:16 <ecksun> would love to get it working :)
Apr 26 20:59:27 <ecksun> when*
Apr 26 20:59:30 <trumee> dmj726: thanks for the link
Apr 26 21:00:18 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: and there http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/ident?i=musb_platform_set_mode I'm lost :-/
Apr 26 21:02:30 <summel> where can i get an sdk with the current version of qt libs?
Apr 26 21:03:27 <pupnik> i think you download em
Apr 26 21:03:49 <summel> no the qt in the sdk is newer then the qt on n900
Apr 26 21:04:00 <summel> so my application does not run on the device only in the sdk :(
Apr 26 21:07:13 <dottedmag> Is there way to install 1.1 SDK?
Apr 26 21:07:49 <summel> i hope so :(
Apr 26 21:08:41 * dottedmag should have back up /scratchbox from the last time
Apr 26 21:08:49 <dottedmag> oh well
Apr 26 21:09:14 * DocScrutinizer feels headache coming, and heads out for a large beer
Apr 26 21:10:23 <lbt> X-Fade: making a xen image FYI
Apr 26 21:11:19 <summel> or can i dongrade the qt packages from the sdk somehow?
Apr 26 21:15:26 <asj> dottedmag: I thought I saw some instructions titled something like "how to compile for devices on pr1.1 with the SDK"
Apr 26 21:15:41 <summel> asj: where where where? :d
Apr 26 21:15:48 <asj> dottedmag: you'll have to google for it though, it was a blog post a week or two ago
Apr 26 21:15:58 <summel> :/
Apr 26 21:16:24 <dottedmag> asj: manual dpkg-shlibdeps override?
Apr 26 21:16:34 <PhonicUK> Hey all :)
Apr 26 21:17:21 <DocScrutinizer> anybody can tell me if kernel is compiled with CONFIG_USB_MUSB_OTG and/or CONFIG_USB_MUSB_HDRC_HCD ?
Apr 26 21:17:23 <asj> dottedmag: just saw the headline, didn't read it.  couldn't be something like apt-get install libqt =4.5.3 or what ever the syntax/packages are...
Apr 26 21:17:39 <dottedmag> well, hope they still have the packages in repo.
Apr 26 21:18:10 <asj> DocScrutinizer: if you get OTG working, and find proper OTG cables that work let me know :)
Apr 26 21:18:24 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Apr 26 21:18:38 <DocScrutinizer> you bet you'll hear about it
Apr 26 21:18:48 <asj> DocScrutinizer: we've found otg cables, but they were not wired right
Apr 26 21:19:24 <DocScrutinizer> OTG won't work with N900
Apr 26 21:19:42 <asj> DocScrutinizer: this wasnt an n900 actually
Apr 26 21:19:43 <DocScrutinizer> wrong connector (B-type, instead of AB)
Apr 26 21:20:24 <DocScrutinizer> only chance is to force USB into host mode via software (echo foo > /sys/bar)
Apr 26 21:20:37 <DocScrutinizer> that's not OTG though
Apr 26 21:20:38 <asj> no one does it, so it's a pita from what I can tell
Apr 26 21:21:32 * DocScrutinizer NEEEDS a BEEER
Apr 26 21:21:50 <PhonicUK> can /var/lib/apt go in MyDocs?
Apr 26 21:22:06 <DocScrutinizer> reading USB or tty kernel sources always gives my bad headache
Apr 26 21:22:20 <DocScrutinizer> PhonicUK: prolly
Apr 26 21:22:35 <asj> PhonicUK: I've tried it and can't recommend it
Apr 26 21:22:47 <PhonicUK> how comeasj?
Apr 26 21:22:52 <PhonicUK> *come asj?
Apr 26 21:24:27 <asj> PhonicUK: I'm trying to remember...during upgrade I think at one point it unmounted everything...I remember fixing things by hand half way through
Apr 26 21:24:33 <MohammadAG> night everyone
Apr 26 21:24:35 <PhonicUK> ah
Apr 26 21:25:07 <asj> PhonicUK: it was fixable though via usb ms...so it wasn't horrible...
Apr 26 21:25:18 <asj> or terminal or something
Apr 26 21:25:23 <DocScrutinizer> asj: system upgrade is a different thing, yes
Apr 26 21:26:17 <Mace_N900> seriously.. if i knew the n900 was going to be this awesome i would have bought one right when it came out
Apr 26 21:26:56 <Mace_N900> it is beyond great
Apr 26 21:28:16 * PhonicUK <3 his N900 too :)
Apr 26 21:28:25 <PhonicUK> developing for it is fun too ^_^
Apr 26 21:30:32 <SpeedEvil> Mace_N900: I agree.
Apr 26 21:30:54 <Mace_N900> heh
Apr 26 21:31:05 <Mace_N900> i held off because of the touchbook
Apr 26 21:31:16 <Mace_N900> i had to make sure it didnt suck
Apr 26 21:31:18 <Mace_N900> haha
Apr 26 21:31:37 <SpeedEvil> looking good for 3 days on wifi - which is nice.
Apr 26 21:31:41 <PhonicUK> has anyone played Q2 on their N900?
Apr 26 21:31:47 * SpeedEvil is doing rundown test on wifi ATM
Apr 26 21:32:05 <noobmonk3y> Khertan, where does the app manager read the icon from? my healthcheck icon has turned into a blue square again :|
Apr 26 21:32:08 <SmokeyD> cool! i got my new nokia n900 running xchat
Apr 26 21:32:11 <Macer> SpeedEvil: yeah. the battery life is amazing
Apr 26 21:32:20 <SpeedEvil> SmokeyD: xchat is nice
Apr 26 21:32:29 <SpeedEvil> I only have 10 small issues with it.
Apr 26 21:32:38 <Macer> 10 small issues? heh
Apr 26 21:32:38 * PhonicUK uses irssi over ssh :D
Apr 26 21:33:04 <Macer> ssh kind of sucks when you don't have good reception over 3G
Apr 26 21:33:07 <Macer> xchat is better for the latency
Apr 26 21:33:19 <SpeedEvil> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38927&page=2
Apr 26 21:33:33 <PhonicN900> Macer, I mean that im ssh'ing *into* my N900 :P
Apr 26 21:33:43 <PhonicN900> from another machine
Apr 26 21:33:43 <Macer> haha
Apr 26 21:33:47 <Macer> oh
Apr 26 21:33:52 <Macer> yeah i guess that works too
Apr 26 21:33:53 <summel> PhonicN900: developing is a nightmare for me atm :(
Apr 26 21:33:58 <Macer> now that i think about it.. does the n900 have screen? :)
Apr 26 21:34:00 <Macer> haha
Apr 26 21:34:01 <PhonicN900> summel, how come?
Apr 26 21:34:05 <PhonicN900> eeh 1 mo ill check
Apr 26 21:34:13 <chem|st> Macer: sure
Apr 26 21:34:21 <SpeedEvil> Macer: when the largest of them is pretty much 'the scrollbar is the wrong colour' - yes - I'd say minor
Apr 26 21:34:24 <PhonicN900> Package screen is not available, but is referred to by another package.
Apr 26 21:34:25 <Macer> chem|st: i didn't thin kabout it
Apr 26 21:34:32 <summel> PhonicN900: the sdk has a newer qt (general pr1.2) then is availeable on the device itself, so i cant run my qt apps on my n900 :(
Apr 26 21:34:33 <SpeedEvil> screen is in the tools repo
Apr 26 21:34:43 <Macer> there's a tools repo?!
Apr 26 21:34:44 <Macer> haha
Apr 26 21:34:46 <Macer> wtf
Apr 26 21:34:50 <Macer> i'm still using the stock repos
Apr 26 21:34:52 <PhonicN900> summel, Windows or Linux host?
Apr 26 21:34:57 <Macer> what's up with koffice
Apr 26 21:34:58 <summel> linux
Apr 26 21:35:02 <PhonicN900> I'm using MADDE + Qt Creator
Apr 26 21:35:04 <Macer> someone showed me a youtube thing about it
Apr 26 21:35:09 <Macer> it looks great
Apr 26 21:35:09 <PhonicN900> which works awesome for developing Qt apps
Apr 26 21:35:23 <Macer> i need to dig up my damn su8w
Apr 26 21:35:23 <summel> the qt app itself works... it also works in the sdk...
Apr 26 21:35:25 <Macer> bbl
Apr 26 21:35:34 <summel> but on the device i only get symbol lookup errors :(
Apr 26 21:36:18 <asj> summel: I'm guessing it wasn't supposed to be a problem for this long, so let's hope it's fixed sooner than later
Apr 26 21:36:19 <haltdef_> any reason the n900 wouldn't charge from one of those portable battery packs?
Apr 26 21:37:00 <summel> asj: i hope so -_-
Apr 26 21:37:24 <chem|st> haltdef_: I couldnt get mine charging on a bare usb powersupply and on a car usb powerhost
Apr 26 21:37:41 <summel> thats the only app i need to make the n900 a general laptop replacement for me :o
Apr 26 21:37:46 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: that's as the D+ and D- are not shorted - it's not a recent app
Apr 26 21:37:58 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: recent charger
Apr 26 21:38:14 <PhonicUK> Macer, update your SDK sysroot using files from the device?
Apr 26 21:38:26 <SmokeyD> is there a way to mount sshfs in maemo?
Apr 26 21:38:29 <haltdef_> hm
Apr 26 21:38:39 <PhonicUK> eeh, not macer - summel
Apr 26 21:38:48 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: so I need an adaptor to shorten D+-?
Apr 26 21:39:02 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: or hack the PSU
Apr 26 21:39:10 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: after a lot of (half)educated guessing and handwaving, I'd say we have a kernel that's built without CONFIG_USB_MUSB_HDRC_HCD and is using http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/omap2430.c , where in line 86 we need a patch to tell (free-)BME to switch bq24150 to boostmode
Apr 26 21:39:33 <chem|st> well one is about 6 month old and the other a few weeks...
Apr 26 21:40:00 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: shiny
Apr 26 21:40:19 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: isn't that simply the 5vusb gen thogh?
Apr 26 21:40:19 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: what's 'shiny' meaning?
Apr 26 21:40:48 <DocScrutinizer> err, please elaborate
Apr 26 21:40:58 <DocScrutinizer> (sorry, my headache)
Apr 26 21:41:15 <SpeedEvil> err - great
Apr 26 21:41:57 * noobmonk3y is happy n relaxed
Apr 26 21:42:04 <noobmonk3y> healthcheck is back up and working again!
Apr 26 21:42:07 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: bq24150 would supply VBUS-5V. The logical hostmode should be handled by musb_hdrc_hcd if enabled at compile time - AIUI
Apr 26 21:42:48 <SmokeyD> is there a way to copy-paste text from my browser to another app?
Apr 26 21:42:59 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Apr 26 21:43:01 <t-tan> default kernel config: CONFIG_USB_MUSB_HDRC=y
Apr 26 21:43:02 <Dassu> yes
Apr 26 21:43:08 <DocScrutinizer> swipe from left into screen
Apr 26 21:43:17 <SpeedEvil> ah
Apr 26 21:43:29 <DocScrutinizer> t-tan: darn - so much for my handwaving :-/
Apr 26 21:45:10 <t-tan> and CONFIG_USB_MUSB_OTG=y
Apr 26 21:45:16 <DocScrutinizer> eeek
Apr 26 21:46:34 <DocScrutinizer> well, any idea why a "echo host >/sys/bus/pl*/devices/musb_hdrc/mode" doesn't do *anything* not even in dmesg?
Apr 26 21:46:40 <t-tan> many poor souls have already read all kernels sources trying to find a secret line to enable USB host...
Apr 26 21:47:44 <DocScrutinizer> I'm rather sure there's no magic line to enable it, I rathe guess there's some lines missing or wrong
Apr 26 21:48:06 <t-tan> it is more likely to find a driver for intergalactic Wifi
Apr 26 21:48:15 <jaska> have they tried burning incense in a sacred nokia rubber boot?
Apr 26 21:48:59 <DocScrutinizer> c'mon we have an idea how it *should* work - no?
Apr 26 21:49:21 <DocScrutinizer> so we probably could find the locations where things start to fail
Apr 26 21:49:22 * noobmonk3y slaps frals around a bit with a dolphin....
Apr 26 21:50:17 <DocScrutinizer> *NO* OTG, just a very simple switchover to hostmode, like on every stupic x86 desktop
Apr 26 21:50:32 <ShadowJK> does it work even on reference omap3 boards I wonder :-)
Apr 26 21:51:15 <DocScrutinizer> if that means we need to nuke the musb_hdrc kernel driver and instead of that load a ohci or whatever - fine, be it.
Apr 26 21:52:08 <DocScrutinizer> there's adriver talking to 1704 PHY to do gadget
Apr 26 21:52:34 <DocScrutinizer> we really just want to change the logical protocol first instance
Apr 26 21:52:53 <DocScrutinizer> that can't be a mission impossible
Apr 26 21:54:00 <DocScrutinizer> musb looks really really ugly, see the long comment about what doesn't work, at top of http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c
Apr 26 21:55:02 <DocScrutinizer> so maybe we should completely nuke this shit, and go back to proven good drivers - I seem to remember on diablo/N810 we had no musb_wnkr
Apr 26 21:56:12 <DocScrutinizer> 49  * NOTE:  the original Mentor code here was pretty much a collection
Apr 26 21:56:14 <DocScrutinizer> 50  * of mechanisms that don't seem to have been fully integrated/working
Apr 26 21:56:15 <DocScrutinizer> 51  * for *any* Linux kernel version.  This version aims at Linux 2.6.now,
Apr 26 21:57:14 <DocScrutinizer> OTG support is 40  * in the works.
Apr 26 21:59:02 <t-tan> according to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=489589 it's definitely also a hardware issue. you need workaround poorly designed HW
Apr 26 21:59:14 <t-tan> did you check the Driod sources?
Apr 26 21:59:59 <SpeedEvil> t-tan: Forcing the ID pin is irrelevant
Apr 26 22:00:16 <SpeedEvil> t-tan: The ID pin is only hooked up to the CPU to tell the software what mode the pin is in.
Apr 26 22:00:26 <SpeedEvil> t-tan: the CPU then configures the USB chip appropriately
Apr 26 22:00:31 <pupnik> do android phones have an upgrade path to maemo? :)
Apr 26 22:00:52 <DocScrutinizer> t-tan: see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=583165#post583165 ff
Apr 26 22:00:57 <pupnik> you figure since they have a linux kernel, the drivers ae out there...
Apr 26 22:02:49 <t-tan> I still believe that a manual switch to host mode is possible but I don't believe it's just setting one register or so
Apr 26 22:03:17 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: t-tan: sorry, I really need my beer and Aspirin now. BBl
Apr 26 22:03:21 <SpeedEvil> night
Apr 26 22:03:39 <t-tan> g'night.
Apr 26 22:03:52 <t-tan> happy hostmode dreams! :)
Apr 26 22:04:40 <PhonicN900> offigo
Apr 26 22:04:47 <PhonicUK> hereiam
Apr 26 22:05:43 <Macer> i'm watching elizabeth the golden age
Apr 26 22:05:54 <Macer> it's like watching the tudors with a queen
Apr 26 22:09:04 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: could you please drop me the link to your bq27200 script again?
Apr 26 22:11:05 * PhonicUK misses pushd and popd
Apr 26 22:11:21 * d14 has finished metal slug2 x)
Apr 26 22:11:28 <PhonicUK> maybe i could write a handful of scripts that emulate their function
Apr 26 22:12:27 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: you're asleep?
Apr 26 22:12:35 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: yes
Apr 26 22:12:40 <DocScrutinizer> aah, k
Apr 26 22:12:42 <SpeedEvil> umm
Apr 26 22:14:11 <SpeedEvil> http://qkwv.com/bq.tar.gz
Apr 26 22:15:13 <SpeedEvil> Though I'm now looking at the bq27x00_battery driver
Apr 26 22:17:16 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
Apr 26 22:28:34 <crashanddie> BTW, if any of you get to see "Don't tell my mother that I'm in North Korea" -- watch. Definitely an excellent show, it's amazing the amount of stuff they were allowed to film, and how many american products are available in specific supermarkets
Apr 26 22:30:03 <crashanddie> Also amazing, the fact that people are so hungry that they're using the gardens around their buildings to grow food, there are no petrol stations 50km from Pyong Yang (well, nearly), and electricity goes out every 3 hours -- very good documentary
Apr 26 22:30:43 <PhonicUK> nn everyone
Apr 26 22:30:49 <SpeedEvil> http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/dprk-dark.htm
Apr 26 22:31:47 <Ken-Young> Lucky North Korean astronomers!
Apr 26 22:49:39 <Macer> hm. i didn't even think about it but
Apr 26 22:49:48 <Macer> is there an app that works with gtalk video and the phone's front cam?
Apr 26 22:49:57 <DocScrutinizer51> SpeedEvil: what's been the tale about bme - when killed or simplz sigstopped?
Apr 26 22:50:44 <DocScrutinizer51> gackkk
Apr 26 22:51:27 <DocScrutinizer51> there' been a kezmapper app somebodz told? anz idae bout thename?
Apr 26 22:54:24 <Disconnect> wow and he's normally sow ... intelligible.
Apr 26 22:54:25 <SpeedEvil> key http://maemo.org/packages/view/ukeyboard/?
Apr 26 22:56:31 <Macer> oh
Apr 26 22:56:36 <Macer> i guess it's just supposed to work huh?
Apr 26 22:56:40 <Macer> awesome
Apr 26 22:56:55 <Macer> i need to find someone to try to video chat with
Apr 26 22:57:59 <lbt> night all
Apr 26 22:58:17 <DocScrutinizer51> SpeedEvil: ukbd - nah. this pkg provides additional osk lazouts for arabic, klingon, ferengi...
Apr 26 22:58:21 <chem|st> Macer: what client?
Apr 26 23:02:53 <Macer> those crazy spaniards
Apr 26 23:03:01 <Macer> chem|st: never mind
Apr 26 23:03:06 <Macer> i guess you can do it with telepathy
Apr 26 23:03:09 <Macer> i need to test it out :)
Apr 26 23:10:44 <Macer> those damn spaniards
Apr 26 23:29:59 <zgoldberg> X-Fade: ping
Apr 27 00:05:12 <crashanddie> sup all
Apr 27 00:06:05 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: last night, as i lay in bed (I know this is starting to sound pretty creepy), I had a very important question to ask you.
Apr 27 00:06:19 <crashanddie> I know johnx came into the whole thing, it was more of an idea to submit to you
Apr 27 00:06:31 <crashanddie> And that choice of words is even worse
Apr 27 00:06:43 <crashanddie> However, this morning I was unable to remember a single thing.
Apr 27 00:22:04 * SpeedEvil puts away his flashy pen, in the knowledge of a job well done.
Apr 27 00:22:31 <ds3> you've put a pen inside a uSD?
Apr 27 00:23:22 * SpeedEvil points at crashanddie.
Apr 27 00:24:24 <lcuk> crashanddie, you were thinking of johnxs' wii
Apr 27 00:25:55 <Mace_N900> yawn
Apr 27 00:29:06 <Mace_N900> batterygraph is qt
Apr 27 00:29:10 <Mace_N900> :)
Apr 27 00:36:52 <pupnik_> has anyone tried checking-in to a flight with a boarding pass displayed as 2Sd barcode on tablet/n900?
Apr 27 00:37:00 <pupnik_> 2D
Apr 27 00:41:33 <ptl> puphome: I didn't, but I tried mbarcode with 2D barcodes on my taxes and it did not recognize them.
Apr 27 00:42:00 <puphome> im gonna try tomorrow
Apr 27 00:42:28 <puphome> i heard a finnish company sends 2d barcodes to cellphones for concert tickets
Apr 27 00:43:57 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: don't forget to put your sunglasses on
Apr 27 00:46:02 * crashanddie points at SpeedEvil
Apr 27 00:46:07 <crashanddie> lcuk: he wii
Apr 27 00:46:13 <crashanddie> erhm, lemme try that again
Apr 27 00:46:15 <crashanddie> lcuk: his wii?
Apr 27 00:48:59 <Termana> good morning
Apr 27 00:49:12 <summel> o/
Apr 27 00:49:27 <crashanddie> ?
Apr 27 00:49:29 <crashanddie> morning Termana, how are you today/
Apr 27 00:49:57 <Termana> Doing alright thanks crashanddie, how about yourself?
Apr 27 00:50:14 <crashanddie> pretty good, back at work after the long weekend
Apr 27 00:51:32 <Termana> I've never asked - what is your job? (Besides part time IRC nazi :P lol)
Apr 27 00:52:45 <DocScrutinizer> full time doorkeeper
Apr 27 00:52:52 <summel> who else just lost the game? :)
Apr 27 00:53:39 <DocScrutinizer> the keykeeper
Apr 27 00:53:50 <crashanddie> Termana: I'm leaving this job on Friday :)
Apr 27 00:54:01 <crashanddie> Termana: I'm a security expert for banks and governments
Apr 27 00:54:01 <summel> DocScrutinizer: gatekeeper and keymaster?
Apr 27 00:54:38 <DocScrutinizer> prolly, yes
Apr 27 00:54:43 <Termana> crashanddie: Ah ok, relatively nice job I assume. Why are you leaving your current workplace though?
Apr 27 00:55:00 <crashanddie> Because Australia isn't really working out for me
Apr 27 00:55:22 <crashanddie> My job in London was amazing, this one is pretty meh, so I'm moving back to France
Apr 27 00:55:41 <tgalal> is it possible to launch media player to play a video from terminal ??
Apr 27 00:56:03 <Termana> Eh, I didn't even know you were here in australia - what state are you in currently?
Apr 27 00:56:32 <pupnik_> tgalal: mplayer works good for that
Apr 27 00:56:55 <tgalal> pupnik_, mplayer is available for maemo 5?
Apr 27 00:57:21 <SpeedEvil> yes
Apr 27 00:57:25 <DocScrutinizer> tgalal: and there's been a thread on tmo, about how to achieve this for mediaplayer by a dbus call
Apr 27 00:57:46 <SpeedEvil> mplayer may be slower or jerkier for some content, as it's not GPU accellerated
Apr 27 00:58:12 <tgalal> so it's not possible with the stock mediaplayer
Apr 27 01:00:12 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-media-play
Apr 27 01:00:49 <SpeedEvil> it must be - zoutube does it
Apr 27 01:00:51 <tgalal> DocScrutinizer thanks !
Apr 27 01:03:20 <pupnik_> ~scoobysnack DocScrutinizer
Apr 27 01:18:27 <tgalal> I want to cancel a yellow notification that requires clicking screen to hide.. but using shell command.
Apr 27 01:18:39 <tgalal> dbus does that too?
Apr 27 01:35:45 <crashanddie> Termana: QLD
Apr 27 01:36:21 <crashanddie> tgalal: dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.mediaplayer /com/nokia/mediaplayer com.nokia.mediaplayer.mime_open string:"file:///$1"
Apr 27 01:36:43 <crashanddie> http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Open_file_in_media_player
Apr 27 01:37:58 <tgalal> crashanddie, yeah got it, thanks a lot
Apr 27 01:44:17 <tgalal> ok now I need to send a fake screen tap
Apr 27 01:47:43 <crashanddie> tgalal: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/xresponse/
Apr 27 01:47:54 <luke-jr> slightly off-topic here, but not sure where a better place to ask is: if I need a dirt cheap cell phone and service, what would you guys suggest?
Apr 27 01:47:58 <crashanddie> google seems to be working pretty well
Apr 27 01:48:13 <crashanddie> luke-jr: country might be important
Apr 27 01:49:17 <luke-jr> USA
Apr 27 01:49:18 <tgalal> crashanddie, I'm already googling.. But I was only searching on how to do it via dbus. thanks alot
Apr 27 01:49:34 <crashanddie> tgalal: I'm afraid DBUS won't allow for this
Apr 27 01:49:41 <luke-jr> crashanddie: when has Google ever worked for service deals?
Apr 27 01:49:52 <crashanddie> luke-jr: wasn't aimed at you
Apr 27 02:07:14 <crashanddie> luke-jr: can't help for the US though
Apr 27 02:07:16 <crashanddie> luke-jr: can't you just walk in a shop and get a $20 phone with $10 credit?
Apr 27 02:07:31 <crashanddie> luke-jr: that's what I usually do when I land in a new country
Apr 27 02:12:11 <ds3> if you can find a $20 no contract phone...
Apr 27 02:12:43 <crashanddie> found it in the UK, Australia, France, Belgium, Italy, Germany, and Ukraine
Apr 27 02:13:10 <crashanddie> they're usually very low-end sagem or what have you
Apr 27 02:13:23 <crashanddie> the battery lasts just enough to use up the credit when calling international
Apr 27 02:13:32 <crashanddie> and then you just throw it away
Apr 27 02:13:53 <ds3> overhear some carriers want $25 for the SIM!
Apr 27 02:14:04 <crashanddie> overheard?
Apr 27 02:14:15 <ds3> overheard or overhead?
Apr 27 02:14:32 <crashanddie> overear?
Apr 27 02:15:33 <luke-jr> crashanddie: I doubt it
Apr 27 02:19:21 <ds3> it is $25 to buy the sim and you have to put credits on it
Apr 27 02:40:20 <crashanddie> luke-jr: t-mobile nokia 1661 prepaid = $19.99 + $10 recharge = $29.99
Apr 27 02:46:23 <pupnik_> the last time my hard drive was completely organized was 1991
Apr 27 02:48:19 <crashanddie> pupnik_: when it was empty?
Apr 27 02:48:43 <luke-jr> crashanddie: huh?
Apr 27 02:48:58 <luke-jr> oh
Apr 27 02:49:10 <luke-jr> yeah, low up-front, but really expensive per-minute
Apr 27 02:49:29 <crashanddie> well that gives you 30 minutes of credit
Apr 27 02:49:35 <luke-jr> 33 cents per
Apr 27 02:49:37 <crashanddie> so 33c per minute
Apr 27 02:49:50 <luke-jr> looking at Boost Mobile... only 10c ea
Apr 27 02:49:56 <crashanddie> Well, we all know US networks suck anymore :P Don't go there
Apr 27 02:50:09 <pupnik_> about 200MB of files
Apr 27 02:50:18 <luke-jr> I'm thinking grab a $10 iDEN phone off ebay and use Boost...
Apr 27 02:51:10 <pupnik_> we need scorched3d on n900
Apr 27 02:51:43 <luke-jr> there, I bid on a decent-sounding used phone... XD
Apr 27 02:51:52 <luke-jr> if I'm lucky I can tether it to my N810
Apr 27 02:51:55 <rm_you> why you need a new phone? :P
Apr 27 02:52:02 <rm_you> n900 break?
Apr 27 02:52:07 <luke-jr> rm_you: I never had a N900
Apr 27 02:52:11 <rm_you> aww :(
Apr 27 02:52:15 <rm_you> sadness
Apr 27 02:52:17 <luke-jr> and it's not worth more than $200 to me
Apr 27 02:52:28 <luke-jr> anyhow, I just need a cheap phone+service for my wife
Apr 27 02:52:30 <rm_you> i'm stuck with G1 now :/
Apr 27 02:52:53 <luke-jr> if I can pair it with my N810, that's just a nice bonus
Apr 27 02:52:57 <rm_you> it's ok, but slow and the screen is comparatively a joke
Apr 27 02:53:15 <pupnik_> lower res?
Apr 27 02:54:04 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, so sad for you.
Apr 27 02:54:20 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, if the Nexus One sucks as much as I've found it does, I can't imagine how bad the G1 is. :P
Apr 27 02:54:26 <rm_you> lol
Apr 27 02:54:35 <rm_you> pupnik_: yeah much
Apr 27 02:54:45 <rm_you> browsing the internet on it is...
Apr 27 02:54:48 <rm_you> also a joke
Apr 27 02:55:00 <rm_you> whatever you want from the internet, better hope theres an app for it
Apr 27 02:55:02 <rm_you> wikipedia: app
Apr 27 02:55:06 <rm_you> facebook: app
Apr 27 02:55:13 <rm_you> imdb: app
Apr 27 02:55:32 <rm_you> it runs facebook mobile *decent* but is very sad really
Apr 27 02:56:21 <rm_you> spoiled on n900 :(
Apr 27 02:57:13 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Apr 27 02:57:20 <GeneralAntilles> Nexus One is nigh unusable
Apr 27 02:57:25 <GeneralAntilles> I dunno why people seem to love it.
Apr 27 02:59:15 <rm_you> what's unusable about it in particular?
Apr 27 02:59:32 <rm_you> web browsing slow?
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