**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 01 02:59:56 2010
May 01 03:30:11 <Mace_N900> blah
May 01 03:30:13 <Mace_N900> hi
May 01 04:11:17 <Gh0sty> good morning
May 01 04:11:28 <Gh0sty> well at my side of the globe
May 01 04:14:31 <DocScrutinizer> moin
May 01 04:24:40 <Gh0sty> is it possible to use crontab to schedule things like a profile switch? :/
May 01 04:25:08 <Gh0sty> totally not aware how it works cause I still need to setup the sdk :p
May 01 04:42:55 <DocScrutinizer> Gh0sty: no crond on maemo. Use alarmed app
May 01 04:44:47 <DocScrutinizer> Gh0sty: alarmed even has a crontab alike syntax for cmdline
May 01 04:45:10 <DocScrutinizer> well, somewhat
May 01 04:48:22 <Chiku|dc> what happend is hk N900 bricked ?
May 01 04:48:37 <Chiku|dc> any firmware to flash it?
May 01 04:49:06 <Chiku|dc> or how they can flash their hk N900 ?
May 01 04:49:14 <Chiku|dc> is it a good question?
May 01 04:49:32 <frals> wild bet that their imei numbers allows download of whatever firmware they got from the fw site
May 01 04:51:17 <Chiku|dc> one hk N900 onwer on this chan?
May 01 04:51:28 <Chiku|dc> to check it
May 01 04:59:11 <Gh0sty> as far as i understood from a nokia guy i met at a conf in the uk the n900 is not sold locked Chiku|dc
May 01 04:59:49 <Gh0sty> was also the reason I bought one in the UK (I am from belgium myself)
May 01 05:00:09 <Gh0sty> its way cheaper there and the adapter is only peanuts to replace :)
May 01 05:01:06 <Gh0sty> already reflashed mine (which had UK firmware i guess) with the global firmware (not really sure what the difference is cause I did not find immediatly any description what makes the firmware 'uk specific'
May 01 05:01:23 <Chiku|dc> does firmware have imei lock ?
May 01 05:02:27 <Chiku|dc> does nokia explain why new firmware is out for hk and not for others ?
May 01 05:02:33 <Gh0sty> which part of the "is not sold locked"
May 01 05:02:42 <Gh0sty> is difficult to understand? :P
May 01 05:03:46 <frals> because it needed the new firmware to launch in hk
May 01 05:03:49 <Chiku|dc> technical or developping reason ?
May 01 05:04:16 <frals> its not unheard of having different release dates for different regions
May 01 05:04:19 <Chiku|dc> frals, it mean new firmware is ready
May 01 05:04:30 <Gh0sty> which version is the HK firmware?
May 01 05:04:43 <frals> it means it was ready for HK devices
May 01 05:04:47 <DocScrutinizer> Chiku|dc: <DocScrutinizer>I'd not even be surprised to see PR1.2 hit the repos 1 or 2 days prior to that. <DocScrutinizer>or 8 weeks later
May 01 05:05:01 <frals> im pretty sure when its ready  for everyone its gonna be released to everyone
May 01 05:05:03 <Chiku|dc> nokia even when firmware is ready for release they wait to release for specific regions?
May 01 05:05:39 <frals> pure speculation on my part but maybe it isnt fucking ready for the rest of us?
May 01 05:05:46 * frals heads back to bed
May 01 05:06:39 <Gh0sty> DocScrutinizer: is there any notes somewhere on "what" the difference is between the firmwares?
May 01 05:06:52 <DocScrutinizer> not afaik
May 01 05:06:54 <Gh0sty> for example what makes the UK firmware different from the global?
May 01 05:06:59 <Chiku|dc> nokia could wtite announce about the reason, then people could be less confuse
May 01 05:07:24 <Gh0sty> I bought my device in the UK so guess it came with UK firmware
May 01 05:07:37 <Gh0sty> read that the firmware does not make a difference so flashed it with the global one ...
May 01 05:07:41 <Chiku|dc> or from none official devel annonce
May 01 05:07:46 <Gh0sty> but still wondering what might be different :P
May 01 05:08:16 <jacekowski> 1.2 is out?
May 01 05:08:17 <Chiku|dc> Gh0sty, you got one?
May 01 05:08:21 <Gh0sty> well 'does not make a difference' as in: you can just flash the global one and it'll also work
May 01 05:08:33 <Chiku|dc> or you just order one?
May 01 05:08:49 <Gh0sty> I got one for ... 2 to 3 weeks now
May 01 05:09:00 <Chiku|dc> did you cehck on download site?
May 01 05:09:05 <Chiku|dc> do you see the firware?
May 01 05:09:09 <Gh0sty> lets see
May 01 05:09:13 <Gh0sty> which version is there now?
May 01 05:09:41 <jacekowski> Gh0sty: afaik there is difference with keyboard layouts
May 01 05:09:46 <Chiku|dc> PR 1.1.1 version 3.2010.02-8
May 01 05:09:58 <Chiku|dc> for us
May 01 05:10:05 <Chiku|dc> what about you
May 01 05:10:07 <Chiku|dc> ?
May 01 05:10:14 <DocScrutinizer> Gh0sty: there's allegedly some RF regulatory diffs. Though nobody understands how they manage to have specific France settings without a France version
May 01 05:10:35 <Gh0sty> Chiku|dc: as far as i know still 1.1.1 also
May 01 05:10:43 <Gh0sty> unless that changed overnight :)
May 01 05:10:43 <Chiku|dc> I have france one
May 01 05:10:51 <Gh0sty> oh you are from france?
May 01 05:10:58 <Gh0sty> you just said hongkong? :P
May 01 05:11:08 <Chiku|dc> Gh0sty, so if you bricked you n900, you can't reflash it ;)
May 01 05:11:14 <Gh0sty> why not?
May 01 05:11:37 <Chiku|dc> if you doesn't have firmware to reflash it
May 01 05:11:44 <Gh0sty> as far as i've seen it the device can still be reflashed (With the proper software) even if you brick it
May 01 05:12:00 <Gh0sty> DocScrutinizer: ah that makes sense
May 01 05:12:10 <Gh0sty> in the US you have a channel 13 for example for wifi
May 01 05:12:21 <Gh0sty> here in europe i think it only goes up to 12 for example
May 01 05:12:24 <jacekowski> no
May 01 05:12:28 <jacekowski> it's 13 channels as well
May 01 05:12:34 <Chiku|dc> Gh0sty, no channel 13 too
May 01 05:12:36 <Gh0sty> or 14 in the us? :P
May 01 05:12:39 <jacekowski> no
May 01 05:12:42 <jacekowski> they have 11 in US
May 01 05:12:46 <Gh0sty> or was that now japan :p
May 01 05:12:51 <Gh0sty> ah possible
May 01 05:13:00 <Chiku|dc> 14 too
May 01 05:13:11 <Gh0sty> i dont recall the details but i know some regions have less, in other regions they have more :)
May 01 05:13:24 <Chiku|dc> by default all ISP wifi set with channel 13
May 01 05:13:46 <jacekowski> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels
May 01 05:13:55 <jacekowski> 11 in US 13 in EU 14 in JP
May 01 05:14:06 <Gh0sty> and a friend working for cisco once told me in israel they need very strict wifi stuff because the frequencys to detonate "automated mines" are close to WIFI (*horror*)
May 01 05:16:02 <jacekowski> it's just that they are much more stricter on 100mW power
May 01 05:16:03 <trumee> blyme topic is a bit strict on PR1.2
May 01 05:18:06 <Chiku|dc> strict for discussion about hk n900 too ? :)
May 01 05:18:34 <Gh0sty> oh and the device is dangerous
May 01 05:18:41 <Gh0sty> i dropped it on a wooden floor ...
May 01 05:18:46 <Gh0sty> the floor is damaged :P
May 01 05:19:06 <Chiku|dc> you did a crash test?
May 01 05:19:10 <Gh0sty> (and that was by accident, almost gave me a heart attack)
May 01 05:19:37 <trumee> 1/5 today :)
May 01 05:19:44 <Gh0sty> also got some water spilled over it ... was standing in a crow, typing sms, some idiot throws water in the crowd ...
May 01 05:20:17 <Gh0sty> so i can confirm: the device is somewhat water resistant and pretty schock proof :P
May 01 05:20:26 <Gh0sty> to my amazement and anger :/
May 01 05:20:53 <Gh0sty> anger about the fact already this happened in the first couple of weeks i have the device :(
May 01 05:20:56 <RST38h> You should report this on CNN
May 01 05:21:17 <RST38h> I am sure everybody in the world is dying to know.
May 01 05:22:23 <Gh0sty> RST38h: i think i'm making normal conversation and you are again starting with a tone like ... i'm not wanted here ... I should shut up ...
May 01 05:22:24 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: special mood today ? :-)
May 01 05:22:24 <jacekowski> maybe somebody can rip that 1.2 firmware off n900
May 01 05:22:54 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: show me a device with 1.2!
May 01 05:23:02 <jacekowski> HK n900
May 01 05:23:12 <Chiku|dc> DocScrutinizer, Gh0sty got one
May 01 05:23:22 <DocScrutinizer> uhu?!
May 01 05:23:26 <Gh0sty> ?
May 01 05:23:31 <Gh0sty> no i dont
May 01 05:23:33 <Chiku|dc> oh
May 01 05:23:35 <Gh0sty> still got 1.1.1
May 01 05:23:50 <Chiku|dc> you didi say to bought hk n900 ?
May 01 05:23:53 <Gh0sty> Chiku|dc: where are you from? :P
May 01 05:24:00 <Chiku|dc> from france
May 01 05:24:02 <Gh0sty> no i said i bought a UK one :P
May 01 05:24:07 <Chiku|dc> oh
May 01 05:24:19 <Chiku|dc> I though HK
May 01 05:24:29 <Gh0sty> can i just continue 2 minutes in french so he understands RST38h ?
May 01 05:24:38 <Gh0sty> or is that not allowed either? :p
May 01 05:24:55 <jacekowski> most people will go to google translate as soon as you do
May 01 05:25:17 <DocScrutinizer> Gh0sty: go ahead
May 01 05:25:18 <jacekowski> and some will remind you that this is english speaking channel
May 01 05:25:27 <jacekowski> at least that what happened to me
May 01 05:25:33 <jacekowski> that's*
May 01 05:25:34 <Gh0sty> Chiku|dc: je pense que tu comprends pas vraiment l'anglais, moi j'ai achete en angleterre
May 01 05:25:56 <trumee> nobody in HK seems to have bought any N900
May 01 05:26:06 <Chiku|dc> misreading about U and H because we talk about HK
May 01 05:26:10 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: he asked and I actually appreciate reading a few french words
May 01 05:26:20 <Gh0sty> Chiku|dc: j'ai entendu d'un technicien nokia meme q'il y pas de version qui est blocque avec l'imei
May 01 05:26:26 <trumee> Gh0sty: english pls :p
May 01 05:26:29 <RST38h> DocS: No, just keeping statistics on the number of messages sent ot this channel
May 01 05:27:07 <Chiku|dc> and who care about UK one? :p
May 01 05:27:27 <jacekowski> i do
May 01 05:27:33 <jacekowski> i have UK version and UK firmware
May 01 05:27:35 <Gh0sty> Chiku|dc: et le version 1.2 de maemo n'est pas disponible pour le moment que je sais (mais je suis pas au courant de tout les versions du telephone)
May 01 05:27:44 <Gh0sty> trumee: sorry just making a bit of a translation
May 01 05:27:55 <Gh0sty> cause Chiku|dc did not quite understand everything
May 01 05:28:00 <trumee> me too on a UK firmware
May 01 05:28:14 * microlith pulls down the Qt SDK at 2MB/s
May 01 05:28:22 <microlith> I love it when sites actually have bandwidth
May 01 05:28:36 <Chiku|dc> news are all focus on HK one
May 01 05:28:45 <jacekowski> i was sucking my SDK at 14-15M/s
May 01 05:29:06 <jacekowski> ( maemo sdk )
May 01 05:29:07 <Gh0sty> according to a friend it's possible to install the sdk on 64 bit also
May 01 05:29:07 <trumee> no HK device photos yet?
May 01 05:29:13 <jacekowski> trumee: it looks the same
May 01 05:29:18 <Gh0sty> only requires 32 bit libs and a kernel parameter ...
May 01 05:29:21 <jacekowski> Gh0sty: it is
May 01 05:29:28 <jacekowski> Gh0sty: and no requirement for kernel parameter
May 01 05:29:33 <Gh0sty> no?
May 01 05:29:34 <Gh0sty> hmm
May 01 05:29:37 <Chiku|dc> trumee, there are some videos too
May 01 05:29:39 <jacekowski> well
May 01 05:29:43 <jacekowski> sort of
May 01 05:29:51 <jacekowski> sysctl will do the trick
May 01 05:29:56 <Gh0sty> i tried on ubuntu 64 bit, did not want to install the scratchbox or how is it called
May 01 05:30:07 <Gh0sty> and i should have 32 bit libs afaik
May 01 05:30:18 <jacekowski> it had some problems with installation
May 01 05:30:21 <trumee> does the SDK use MADDE?
May 01 05:30:34 <microlith> the Maemo SDK does
May 01 05:30:39 <jacekowski> but i have working sdk
May 01 05:30:44 <microlith> well, if you use MADDE it does
May 01 05:30:48 <jacekowski> on 64 bit debian
May 01 05:31:09 <trumee> have 64 bit gentoo here
May 01 05:31:20 <jacekowski> that's just waste of time
May 01 05:32:03 <trumee> jacekowski: waste of time?
May 01 05:32:07 <jacekowski> yes
May 01 05:32:16 <jacekowski> hours to install anything
May 01 05:32:23 <jacekowski> and i have model name      : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           X3360  @ 2.83GHz
May 01 05:33:04 <trumee> jacekowski: love gentoo. dont like rpm distros
May 01 05:33:08 <jacekowski> and you get like 1% more performance because you tune your cflags and compile for your cpu
May 01 05:33:16 <jacekowski> well, i'm using debian
May 01 05:33:19 <trumee> jacekowski: and dont mind compiling
May 01 05:33:20 <jacekowski> it's .deb based distro
May 01 05:33:37 <trumee> jacekowski: never used debian
May 01 05:33:49 <jacekowski> trumee: it's annoying when you can't install app straight away because you have to wait for it to compile
May 01 05:34:15 <trumee> jacekowski: i dont install everyday :)
May 01 05:34:55 <Gh0sty> they told me you need ia32-libs and a kernel parameter: vdso32=2
May 01 05:35:09 <Gh0sty> not sure what the parameter does .. (looking up now)
May 01 05:35:13 <trumee> jacekowski: advantage is that it is easy to install bleeding edge apps. dont need for somebody else to provide compiled app.
May 01 05:36:10 <trumee> jacekowski: i have given up on looking for packages. compiling from source is most reliable
May 01 05:36:13 <jacekowski> countrary to popular belief - YOU CAN COMPILE ON DEBIAN
May 01 05:36:33 <trumee> jacekowski: +1 for debian then
May 01 05:37:02 <trumee> jacekowski: dont like suse/redhat coz of rpm hunting required
May 01 05:37:15 <jlebar> I'm getting "mmap: Operation not permitted" errors when I try and install the SDK on my Ubuntu 10.04 box.  Does anyone know how to go about fixing this (or even figuring out what the problem is)?
May 01 05:37:51 <jacekowski> are you installing scratchbox as root?
May 01 05:37:52 <jlebar> It looks like a few other people have had the same problem in here (e.g. http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-04-24.log.html) but I haven't found a resolution in any of the logs.
May 01 05:38:12 <jlebar> jacekowski, Not intentionally... :)
May 01 05:38:24 <jacekowski> it's not going to work
May 01 05:38:31 <jacekowski> you have to install scratchbox as root
May 01 05:38:36 <jacekowski> and then later on sdk as use
May 01 05:38:38 <jacekowski> user*
May 01 05:39:11 <jlebar> Okay...this error is happening when I'm trying to install the maemo-sdk-debug package for ARMEL in scratchbox.
May 01 05:39:54 <jlebar> When I ran maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh, I'm pretty sure I ran *that* as root.
May 01 05:42:30 <jlebar> jacekowski, I also tried deleting the ARMEL target and rebuilding it...that didn't work either.
May 01 05:43:02 <sulx> does anyone have link to alarmed package working with PR1.1?
May 01 05:43:37 <jlebar> Oh...interesting.  I think the error is happening because sudo isn't installed.  |sudo echo '1'| gives the same "mmap: Operation not permitted" message
May 01 05:57:17 <DocScrutinizer> sulx: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=610524&postcount=145
May 01 05:57:58 <DocScrutinizer> replace dpkg -i pyside... by dpkg -i --force-all pyside...
May 01 06:12:11 <DocScrutinizer> sulx: ??
May 01 06:13:00 <Gh0sty> funny it's installing a half debian again with the sdk :P
May 01 06:13:24 <Gh0sty> a load of packages look familiar :)
May 01 06:15:25 <DocScrutinizer> jlebar: [2010-04-30 19:00:00] <MohammadAG> no sudo   [2010-05-01 03:50:41] <MohammadAG_> Bug 9803    [2010-05-01 03:53:21] <MohammadAG_> mmap: Operation not permitted
May 01 06:15:26 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9803 Installation of Maemo 5 SDK fails in Ubuntu 9.10 (awk not working?)
May 01 06:17:22 <RST38h> http://www.flickr.com/photos/greentroll2008/4563346361/sizes/o/in/set-72157623581964047/
May 01 06:17:48 <jlebar> DocScrutinizer, hm.  I just nuked all of scratchbox, but I'll try messing with the group file if it doesn't work this time.  Thanks!
May 01 06:26:35 <jlebar> DocScrutinizer, Well...there is indeed a problem with the groups.
May 01 06:27:24 <sulx> DocScrutinizer: yea tried that but can't download that zip
May 01 06:27:26 <RST38h> Nokia Qt SDK ruined my C:\
May 01 06:27:29 <RST38h> BEWARE
May 01 06:27:38 <pwnguin> heh
May 01 06:27:49 <pwnguin> ruined, or fixed?
May 01 06:28:05 <RST38h> left a lot of garbage there, did not install anyway
May 01 06:29:54 <DocScrutinizer> darn, that took some time until I figured how a SDK can ruin C, and why you think you got your own version :\
May 01 06:31:00 <RST38h> Have you even got C:\? =)
May 01 06:31:34 <DocScrutinizer> I even got C++
May 01 06:31:35 * pwnguin has a /mnt/windows/c/
May 01 06:32:09 <DocScrutinizer> aah yes, somesuch crap as well
May 01 06:33:40 <Gh0sty> lol running windows on n900 ^^
May 01 06:33:48 <Gh0sty> no that would be too evil :p
May 01 06:34:04 <DocScrutinizer> nevertheless has been done
May 01 06:34:11 <Gh0sty> really? :p
May 01 06:34:15 <DocScrutinizer> yes
May 01 06:34:39 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/archives/9-Windows-NT-4.0-running-on-N900!.html
May 01 06:34:40 <Gh0sty> virtual? or real
May 01 06:34:48 <Gh0sty> there is no windows (anymore) for arm? :/
May 01 06:35:13 <Gh0sty> ah yes nt 4 :P
May 01 06:37:33 <Gh0sty> some people ... :p
May 01 06:39:42 <Chiku|dc> the question is virtual or vnc
May 01 06:39:50 <Gh0sty> bochs ... :)
May 01 06:40:18 <Gh0sty> Bochs is a highly portable open source IA-32 (x86) PC emulator
May 01 06:40:31 <Chiku|dc> some post seven on n900 sure vnc
May 01 06:40:37 <Chiku|dc> or rdp
May 01 06:42:11 <Gh0sty> alrighty! my sdk is running :D
May 01 06:44:10 <RST38h> moo zap
May 01 06:45:22 <Gh0sty> hmmm
May 01 06:45:33 <Gh0sty> /bin/chown: changing ownership of `/home/user/.clockd.conf': Operation not permitted
May 01 06:46:31 <Gh0sty> i should start scratchbox as root? :/
May 01 06:46:42 <Gh0sty> hmm no that does not sound right
May 01 06:47:28 <RST38h> sb2 -eR
May 01 06:49:01 <RST38h> Hmmm...the Qt SDK crashed
May 01 06:49:07 <RST38h> The install app, I mean
May 01 06:57:37 <trumee> is it possible to change username of the user in N900?
May 01 06:58:07 <trumee> dont like /home/user
May 01 07:03:11 <DocScrutinizer> nope
May 01 07:03:45 <jlebar> |ln -s /home/user /home/trumee|  :)
May 01 07:04:57 <trumee> jlebar: i will stay with user :)
May 01 07:05:58 <trumee> i hate to use blue key for -. it is the most often key i use.
May 01 07:07:22 <trumee> also i mix up the shift and blue keys
May 01 07:19:01 <RST38h> Ehehe, it does not build the default project it creates
May 01 07:19:07 <RST38h> So much for ease of development
May 01 07:31:09 <rm_you> so, "Extra protocol plugins for Conversations and Contacts".... is this the package I want? and why does it require something not available?
May 01 07:31:24 <rm_you> do i need to install it via apt-get on the console?
May 01 07:32:03 <rm_you> bunch of stuff requires the "upstart-job" package
May 01 07:32:03 <RST38h> That depends on what you want to do :)
May 01 07:33:28 <rm_you> I want AIM support :P
May 01 07:33:37 <rm_you> it's changed a lot since i installed it last
May 01 07:34:48 <rm_you> gah, installing one thing at a time is still killing me
May 01 07:35:05 <rm_you> kinda want to write an app to try to fix THAT problem T_T
May 01 07:38:29 <rm_you> ah, it's a devel issue
May 01 07:46:18 <KamuiN900> wow
May 01 07:46:27 <KamuiN900> live wallpaper has improved
May 01 07:46:35 <KamuiN900> quite a bit
May 01 07:52:08 <rm_you> anyone know the name of the app that makes the camera button act as a fullscreen button unless held?
May 01 07:52:31 <adeus> shortcutd?
May 01 07:52:37 <rm_you> having to go through and completely reinstall everything after flash :P
May 01 07:54:35 <rm_you> ah found it, camkeyd
May 01 07:55:44 <RST38h> "Indian government prohibited Indian telecoms to buy equipment from Huawei and ZTE citing national security reasons"
May 01 07:56:49 <DrGrov> Hello guys and Happy 1st of May if you celebrate this! =)
May 01 07:56:58 <RST38h> Apparently, indians are afraid of chinese telecom hardware spying on their communications =)
May 01 07:58:40 <`0660> what's the funny bit? :)
May 01 07:59:29 <rm_you> i think they might have a right to be T_T
May 01 07:59:49 <RST38h> the funny bit is how much of your traffic eventually goes through huawei's hw
May 01 07:59:59 <RST38h> even if you are not an indian
May 01 08:06:41 <DrGrov> Perhaps somebody will kill me now but gott ask
May 01 08:06:46 <DrGrov> PR 1.2 still released?
May 01 08:06:47 <Tuukka> Hey
May 01 08:06:48 <`0660> they might not place backdoors to all the equipment
May 01 08:07:13 <trumee> is Nokia Messaging usage free for N900? or does it lapse after some trial period?
May 01 08:09:02 <DrGrov> I read about rumours saying PR 1.2 will be released within April? Just a rumour then?
May 01 08:09:13 <Tuukka> Yesterday while changing my boot video using the terminal, my n900 got bricked and it consumed all rootfs memory. This morning i reflashed and everything started working right untill i tried again to change the boot video. THe exact same thing happened, possibly a bug?
May 01 08:09:46 <rm_you> is fmtx-faker the app i need to make FM transmitter work during charging?
May 01 08:10:57 <Tuukka> i was copying the video to /usr/share/hildon-welcome/media but doing it makes the terminal go nuts and consume the rootfs... wth
May 01 08:11:25 <RST38h> maybe your video is too large?
May 01 08:12:37 <Tuukka> What's the size limit? My vid wa only ~18sec so i doupt it be too large.
May 01 08:12:45 <Tuukka> and the rez is 800x480
May 01 08:12:50 <sECuRE> the size limit is how much free space you have left
May 01 08:13:17 <Wolfie> http://maemocentral.com/2010/04/30/the-n900-with-pr-1-2-launches-in-hong-kong-with-an-awesome-promo-video/ if .hk gets pr1.2 already, probably we will soon
May 01 08:13:25 <sECuRE> and the length/resolution of a video are only hints for the size, but it may still be several hundred MBs large if you don’t compress properly
May 01 08:13:25 <Wolfie> ...or Nokia will just drop the ball, as usual
May 01 08:14:03 <DrGrov> Wolfie: i god damn hope so
May 01 08:14:11 <Tuukka> uups that's the case... The vid was over 200 mbs
May 01 08:14:36 <sECuRE> Tuukka: if you are playing with this anyways, could you delete the video and see if it still boots?
May 01 08:14:43 <sECuRE> i also want to get rid of the video
May 01 08:15:07 <Tuukka> sorry allready reflashed -.-'
May 01 08:15:34 <FIQ> What
May 01 08:15:34 <arachnist> sECuRE: i had the video deleted
May 01 08:15:40 <Tuukka> So how do i compres the video?
May 01 08:15:42 <korhojoa> what's the lowest battery voltage that you guys have seen?
May 01 08:15:46 <FIQ> Hong Kong have PR1.2 before the rest of the world? :<
May 01 08:15:52 <sECuRE> arachnist: and did it work?
May 01 08:15:57 <arachnist> sECuRE: yes
May 01 08:16:16 <sECuRE> arachnist: cool, thanks
May 01 08:56:11 <Gadgetoid_nc10> Hoy, does anyone know if it's possible to capture from /dev/video1 within the debian chroot?
May 01 08:56:57 <Gadgetoid_nc10> Tried using vgrabbj, but just ended up with a green rectangle, gst works in maemo though
May 01 08:59:44 <Tuukka> Anyone have experience with RAD Video Tools?
May 01 09:02:07 <Gadgetoid_nc10> Aha, got it working
May 01 09:03:09 <Gadgetoid_nc10> diabolical picture quality though
May 01 09:15:16 <Tuukka> How much Free Rootfs do you guys have?
May 01 09:16:54 <MohammadAG> ubi0:rootfs             227.4M    171.9M     51.3M  77% /
May 01 09:17:13 <Gadgetoid_nc10> Nothing more fun than a php exec when it fails silently
May 01 09:21:16 <valdyn> Gadgetoid_nc10: thats the front camera?
May 01 09:29:10 <Gadgetoid_nc10> valdyn, successfully grabbed from the front camera now, just trying to call the command on demand with a php exec
May 01 09:30:06 <Gadgetoid_nc10> In the debian chroot environment I installed vgrabbj and used: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so vgrabbj -d /dev/video1 -f test.jpg
May 01 09:30:24 <BusterB> Soo is everyone here daredevils and overclocked? Or is the general consensus to stay stock unless you're rich?
May 01 09:30:40 <valdyn> BusterB: overclocking is pointless
May 01 09:31:07 <BusterB> valdyn: I see...no major benefits?
May 01 09:31:24 <Gadgetoid_nc10> BusterB, I have the overclockable kernel installed, but have kept it at stock lately... overclocking makes the device run a bit smoother, but it's not worth the hassle
May 01 09:31:31 <valdyn> BusterB: in my view the only time when the n900 is *really* slow is when its swapping
May 01 09:31:47 <Gadgetoid_nc10> The rest of the time it's just slow ;)
May 01 09:31:49 <valdyn> BusterB: thats not remedied by overclocking
May 01 09:32:21 <BusterB> Oh I didn't realize that
May 01 09:32:43 <BusterB> Just like my old computer lol. Sooo slow when swapping
May 01 09:33:14 <BusterB> I was thinkin of doin it...but I don't think I will
May 01 09:33:21 <valdyn> some more ram in it would do wonders, but  I think thats not possible..
May 01 09:33:45 <valdyn> though I do use a low volatage kernel
May 01 09:34:14 <BusterB> valdyn: Is there significant battery life improvement?
May 01 09:34:21 <Tuukka> Does the battery last significately longer?
May 01 09:35:44 <valdyn> I cant tell, i do last through one day
May 01 09:36:12 <MohammadAG> I last through 1 day on stock
May 01 09:36:13 <MohammadAG> :)
May 01 09:36:27 <valdyn> yea, thats why its probably pointless 99% of days
May 01 09:37:17 <valdyn> and it cant really fix that being online with the IM services like skype etc drains the battery badly
May 01 09:37:48 <MohammadAG> those drain battery?
May 01 09:38:04 <valdyn> being online via 3G does
May 01 09:38:14 <valdyn> hence skype does
May 01 09:38:28 <MohammadAG> no idea, lasts me 6 hours on 3G
May 01 09:38:36 <valdyn> exactly
May 01 09:39:14 <Tuukka> i don't use 3g, I don't even have a data plan yet... ^^'
May 01 09:39:30 <valdyn> Tuukka: then you probably shouldnt have any battery issues anyway
May 01 09:39:35 <MohammadAG> got 5GBs, think they're enough for my needs
May 01 09:39:45 <Tuukka> yep my battery lasts 1-2 days
May 01 09:39:51 <BusterB> Soo is a higher capacity battery that still fits stock casing just a dream?
May 01 09:40:02 <valdyn> BusterB: pretty much
May 01 09:40:22 <valdyn> BusterB: or i dont see better batteries on the market anywhere
May 01 09:40:36 <valdyn> ( not for any device I mean )
May 01 09:40:58 <Tuukka> How fast is your dataplan? 1Mb?
May 01 09:41:16 <BusterB> =( oh well
May 01 09:42:30 <Gadgetoid_nc10> bah humbug
May 01 09:42:45 <valdyn> Tuukka: 3.5G is 7.2mbps generally
May 01 09:43:26 <valdyn> Tuukka: that nets 0.5MB or somesuch
May 01 09:43:32 <Tuukka> valdyn: yeah but does your operator give you full speed?
May 01 09:44:14 <valdyn> Tuukka: think so
May 01 09:44:30 <valdyn> Tuukka: hard to tell
May 01 09:44:48 <valdyn> Tuukka: as the typical benchmarks like speedtest.net are bullshit and my locations vary
May 01 09:46:22 <valdyn> ( and the n900 does not show speed when dowloading in microb, so theres no casual speed check )
May 01 09:46:40 <Tuukka> At least here you need to pay more for faster connections. They allways have unlimited data
May 01 09:47:25 <valdyn> 200mb 3.5G, then throttled or 5G 3.5G, then throttled
May 01 09:47:32 <valdyn> thats the 2 typical choices here
May 01 09:50:24 <Tuukka> What's the price range in your area?
May 01 09:50:25 <korhojoa> hey, anyone use truphone on their n900?
May 01 09:50:50 <BusterB> valdyn: so what speed test do you use?
May 01 09:51:14 <valdyn> BusterB: big enough downloads with something like wget
May 01 09:51:34 <Tuukka> In here it's from 10e-35e dependig of the speed (384kb/s-5Mb/s)
May 01 09:52:06 <valdyn> Tuukka: 10 euro for unlimited but throttled after few 100MB or 30-35 for 5GB on 3.5G
May 01 09:53:02 <valdyn> oh and 30-35 euro plans have free usage while you cant use the cheap plans outside a mobile phone ( like in laptops )
May 01 09:53:25 <valdyn> ( i have no idea if they could even notice that im using my n900 as an access point though )
May 01 09:54:15 <Tuukka> ok, planning to get a dataplan but not sure which speed i should get.
May 01 09:55:10 <valdyn> Tuukka: where? germany by incident?
May 01 09:55:26 <Tuukka> valdyn: Nope, Finland
May 01 09:55:37 <valdyn> ok
May 01 09:56:49 <valdyn> 50€ all inclusive is cheapest i found here ( but thats only worth it if you actually do make a decent number of phone calls )
May 01 09:57:26 <Termana> hey hey
May 01 10:00:23 <Tuukka> What speed is necessary for smooth surfing? IS 512kb/s enough?
May 01 10:00:44 <adeus> yes
May 01 10:00:56 <valdyn> no
May 01 10:00:56 <`0660> i'd say not
May 01 10:01:08 <Gadgetoid_nc10> Oh well, i gave up with using php exec to capture on demand
May 01 10:01:21 <Gadgetoid_nc10> And just stuck an entry into fcron to capture every minute
May 01 10:01:57 <adeus> i have the slowest possible
May 01 10:02:04 <adeus> still good enough for me
May 01 10:02:53 <Tuukka> Anyone using the N900 on a wpa secured wifi network?
May 01 10:03:43 <Tuukka> Maybe i should start with the slowest possible and pump up the speed if necessary
May 01 10:05:01 <adeus> I think my 380k data costs 9.9
May 01 10:05:15 <adeus> something like a few euros more to double it
May 01 10:06:25 <Tuukka> yep same prices here 9.9 -> 14.9 -> 19.9
May 01 10:06:53 <sECuRE> Tuukka: yes, using it with WPA
May 01 10:08:25 <Tuukka> sECuRE: Have you noticed that it takes more time to start loading the site when using WPA instead of WEP? The loading bar just goes back and forth but doesn't start loading the page.
May 01 10:08:45 <sECuRE> nope, i did not notice that
May 01 10:08:51 <Tuukka> In MicroB to be spesific
May 01 10:08:52 <sECuRE> it always takes a while, even on unencrypted networks
May 01 10:09:12 <RST38h> Heh, they let Peter Watts go, although I doubt he will ever be able to enter US again =)
May 01 10:09:50 <Tuukka> Sometimes mine freezes and won't starting to load the page till i hit enter for the second/third/... time
May 01 10:10:02 <Tuukka> *start
May 01 10:10:15 <RST38h> That's probably swapping
May 01 10:10:30 <Tuukka> Anything i can do about it?
May 01 10:16:14 * ioeee saluda a todos menos a ti :P
May 01 10:16:20 <frals> fuckin hell going to a wedding in 2 hrs...
May 01 10:16:31 <frals> theme is... "middle ages"
May 01 10:17:00 <Tuukka> Theme in weddings? lol
May 01 10:17:00 <RST38h> your wedding?
May 01 10:17:17 <frals> RST38h: neverrrr! ;)
May 01 10:17:23 <frals> Tuukka: madness i tell you, madness.
May 01 10:17:32 <Tuukka> :D
May 01 10:17:38 <RST38h> will there be carnage?
May 01 10:17:50 <korhojoa> fMMS should get picture sms support
May 01 10:17:53 <korhojoa> that would be awesome
May 01 10:17:53 <frals> RST38h: one can hope!
May 01 10:18:00 <frals> picture sms support?
May 01 10:18:10 <MohammadAG> black and white stuff
May 01 10:18:11 <korhojoa> yes.
May 01 10:18:15 <MohammadAG> it was on old devices
May 01 10:18:23 <ZogG> i can be stupid, let's say true - most of time i'm tupid
May 01 10:18:27 <frals> you mean mms with an attached wbmp?
May 01 10:18:29 <MohammadAG> (last device i saw it on was the N-Gage QD)
May 01 10:18:35 <ZogG> but still all these guys on forum making me crazy
May 01 10:18:36 <MohammadAG> frals, it's an sms
May 01 10:18:42 <ZogG> are they are retarded? =)
May 01 10:18:43 <Tuukka> My nokia 3310 had those :D
May 01 10:18:49 <korhojoa> I still have friends who use the devices and you also get these with e-tickets here
May 01 10:18:53 <ZogG> Tuukka you have 3310?
May 01 10:19:07 <korhojoa> my 6130i also had it
May 01 10:19:15 <ZogG> i want 3310 =)
May 01 10:19:18 <frals> link me a spec for it please
May 01 10:19:19 <korhojoa> i miss my 6150. that thing was a beast
May 01 10:19:23 <MohammadAG> I want snakes
May 01 10:19:28 <ZogG> it was phone i wanted long time ago
May 01 10:19:43 <RST38h> ZogG: They are not human. They are spam bots masquerading as humans
May 01 10:20:07 <RST38h> Meanwhile: Steve Jobs Hints At Theora Lawsuit
May 01 10:20:08 <ZogG> no i mean all the whinning and all threads with title HELP!!!!!
May 01 10:20:10 <ZogG> damn
May 01 10:20:17 <ZogG> common internet rules =)
May 01 10:20:34 <ZogG> and all those who lost faith but have to say it to everyone
May 01 10:20:37 <RST38h> 'a patent pool is being assembled to go after Theora and other "open source" codecs now.'
May 01 10:20:53 <korhojoa> frals: searching.
May 01 10:20:54 <ZogG> like nokia would read and say - no %username% you are so important - we will change our minds =)
May 01 10:21:10 * RST38h finds it unhealthy that someone should base his gadget usage patterns on faith
May 01 10:21:17 <Tuukka> ZogG: Yep still have it in my cupboard
May 01 10:21:18 <ZogG> Steve is a bitch
May 01 10:21:26 <ZogG> Tuukka how much?
May 01 10:21:42 <MohammadAG> frals, can't find anything, but it has nothing to do with mms afaik
May 01 10:22:14 <Tuukka> Naah not selling it, besides it's battery is dead
May 01 10:23:17 <korhojoa> frals: found a IEEE document, trying to get it, but it's got some "you need to purchase blah blah blah"
May 01 10:23:22 <MohammadAG> frals, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_Messaging#Picture_message
May 01 10:23:45 <frals> ta
May 01 10:24:30 <MohammadAG> frals, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTA_bitmap
May 01 10:26:27 <Tuukka> I'll upload a pic of some of my old Nokias :D
May 01 10:26:32 <Tuukka> wait a sec
May 01 10:27:08 <ZogG> waiting
May 01 10:27:13 <ZogG> highlight me plz
May 01 10:28:04 <Tuukka> How do i do that in freenode webchat? :D
May 01 10:28:46 <Tuukka> Here http://www.flickr.com/photos/tuukka_lehtinen/4567205971/
May 01 10:29:05 <MohammadAG> ZogG,
May 01 10:30:20 <Tuukka> :D Maybe i should take the Nokia NHE-1XN back to usage, that be cool
May 01 10:30:32 <ZogG> MohammadAG thnx
May 01 10:32:04 <MohammadAG> ZogG, if you're on the N900 and you're wondering, it's "nick" cries for highlights and nick whispers for PM
May 01 10:32:44 <Treibholz> can I somehow split Podcasts and Music? I don't want to see the podcasts in the mediaplayer.
May 01 10:33:02 <vasily_pupkin> hi
May 01 10:33:08 <vasily_pupkin> how can i start application when matchbox up?
May 01 10:33:17 <vasily_pupkin> i want to run gpg-agent session :]
May 01 10:33:20 <Tuukka> In fact i have 2 of those nokia 6110 :D
May 01 10:33:33 <MohammadAG> apt downgraded :D
May 01 10:33:50 * MohammadAG got rid of the E: Handler Silently Failed, again
May 01 10:35:30 <Tuukka> Anyone else have old mobile phones? :D
May 01 10:35:57 <ZogG> me but not that old
May 01 10:36:06 <ZogG> motorola razr
May 01 10:36:09 <ZogG> somewhere
May 01 10:36:21 <MohammadAG> some monochrome one
May 01 10:36:28 <MohammadAG> 3210 I think
May 01 10:36:42 <MohammadAG> it looked like the 3310 but had a lighter blue
May 01 10:36:44 <andre__> I still use my N8210 from 2001
May 01 10:37:20 <MohammadAG> got 2 N-Gage QDs
May 01 10:37:28 <MohammadAG> and a 6680
May 01 10:37:46 <Tuukka> Before my N900 i used Nokia 6101 from 2005 or something :D
May 01 10:37:52 <MohammadAG> had the 6610 and the N95 (best symbian device to date)
May 01 10:37:54 <Treibholz> at my parents... there must be an old Bosch brick. Couldn't send SMS, just receive...
May 01 10:39:51 <MohammadAG> fennec's broken
May 01 10:39:53 <MohammadAG> Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.2b5pre and 1.9.2.1.
May 01 10:40:16 <ZogG> MohammadAG let's make maemo_point?
May 01 10:40:39 <MohammadAG> huh
May 01 10:41:44 <Tuukka> One more pic of the nhe-1xn, http://www.flickr.com/photos/tuukka_lehtinen/4567224801/ Notice the cool extendable antenna :D
May 01 10:42:30 <korhojoa> frals, http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/Smart_Messaging
May 01 10:43:07 <korhojoa> used to have a 2110, but i dropped it in the sea
May 01 10:43:13 <ZogG> Tuukka, nice one =)
May 01 10:43:15 <Tuukka> by the way all those phones are still wotking :D You'd just need to recharge the battery and insert a simcard
May 01 10:43:31 <korhojoa> also had a n-gage qd, but it died when i tried to install doom. couldn't be re-flashed to work either.
May 01 10:43:43 <ZogG> i thought of ipad and couln't find any reason why someone can buy it
May 01 10:44:01 <ZogG> until i got to toilet and as all clever thoughts come there i got an idea
May 01 10:44:20 <ZogG> it would suit perfect on the door in front of toilet =)
May 01 10:44:25 <korhojoa> :D
May 01 10:44:40 <korhojoa> really handy the glass screen too
May 01 10:44:47 <korhojoa> just wipe it with isopropyl and it'll be fine
May 01 10:45:10 <Tuukka> Wondering if using those old phones is safe. They might boil your brain with radio signals :D
May 01 10:45:16 <ZogG> i would wipe it after i wipe myself
May 01 10:45:36 <ZogG> Tuukka, didn't bother you before
May 01 10:45:54 <ZogG> they have 5G right?
May 01 10:46:39 <Tuukka> ZogG, gsm only, dunno
May 01 10:47:03 <ZogG> no it's 5G tehwin
May 01 10:47:07 <korhojoa> anyone got analog phones?
May 01 10:47:26 <korhojoa> we had a few NMT phones, grandpa had one in his car
May 01 10:48:35 <Tuukka> I have a bigger battery for the nhe, it's over 3cm thick when using it :D
May 01 10:51:33 <Tuukka> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tuukka_lehtinen/4567238383/ Nhe-1xn vs. Touch 1g thicknes
May 01 10:54:18 <`0660> Tuukka, do those two devices share any common functionalities? :)
May 01 10:56:07 <Tuukka> Umm they both have a contact list
May 01 10:59:06 <Tuukka> The nokia might even have better call quality than the iPhone :D
May 01 10:59:37 <Dassu> For jesus christ I hate Ifaggotery. Gotta tell it now to you guys
May 01 11:01:14 <Arkenoi> "even"?
May 01 11:01:44 <`0660> i thought that was ipod touch and not an iphone?
May 01 11:02:13 <MohammadAG> wth the is mmap
May 01 11:02:22 <MohammadAG> I can't install the sdk :/
May 01 11:03:29 <Tuukka> `0660, Yeah but if it was an iPhone
May 01 11:04:08 <andre__> MohammadAG, http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/#qemu ?
May 01 11:04:41 <MohammadAG> andre__, I've installed it before
May 01 11:04:58 <`0660> Tuukka, oh but iphone is thicker than touch :)
May 01 11:05:34 <`0660> still smaller than that other phone though :)
May 01 11:05:35 <andre__> MohammadAG, hmm, maybe 10.04 changed something(TM) then
May 01 11:06:32 <andre__> Tuukka: oh shit, N900 flickr upload still screws apostrophes in the photo title? sigh
May 01 11:07:06 <Tuukka> andre__ seems like it :/
May 01 11:07:08 * andre__ realizes the bug report is still open. grumble
May 01 11:09:58 * andre__ pings on the ticket
May 01 11:10:39 <Tuukka> maybe i should register to bugzilla ...
May 01 11:12:04 <Tuukka> andre__ what's the bug id?
May 01 11:12:39 <andre__> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8394
May 01 11:12:40 <povbot> Bug 8394: apostrophe (') in title gets translated to &pos; for Flickr
May 01 11:13:53 <Tuukka> powbot, thanks
May 01 11:14:44 <`0660> impressive, that bug has been there for months and unfixed. maemo/meego team really could use more resources.
May 01 11:16:27 <Tuukka> Should i vote for it? Newer used bugzilla before
May 01 11:16:29 <andre__> `0660, well, internally a fix is available. it's just not integrated and I wonder why.
May 01 11:16:41 <andre__> Tuukka, feel free to ("Vote for this bug" link) if you want to
May 01 11:17:14 <andre__> `0660, plus there's lots of unfixed issues and that's totally normal. everywhere, whether it's maemo or not. ressources are never unlimited.
May 01 11:18:37 <MohammadAG> andre__	MohammadAG, hmm, maybe 10.04 changed something(TM) then
May 01 11:18:38 <`0660> maybe they will start feeling less limited if kallasvuo will get fired :)
May 01 11:18:46 <MohammadAG> doubt it, the install worked on the beta
May 01 11:18:51 <DrGrov> hi MohammadAG
May 01 11:18:59 <MohammadAG> hey DrGrov
May 01 11:19:12 <MohammadAG> andre__, had to go through the logs, I got disconnected lol
May 01 11:19:34 <andre__> `0660, have you been involved in large software development before? it's simply reality, and not "limited".
May 01 11:19:44 <redeeman> are any of you also having problems with recaller not actually doing autorecording?
May 01 11:21:30 <`0660> andre__, well, i guess it's a balance between developing new features and fixing bugs in old features
May 01 11:21:35 * Arkenoi have seen a lot of "large" software development projects where fixes were applied successfully within release cycle several times shorter
May 01 11:21:50 <andre__> `0660, that's quite unrelated to each other actually :-P
May 01 11:21:56 <andre__> quite often different teams
May 01 11:22:55 <`0660> in that case i admit, i have no idea why a bug this annoying has not been fixed, even though it seems like quite a trivial fix
May 01 11:23:51 <Arkenoi> and it is surely a good idea to split firmware to separate packages
May 01 11:25:31 <andre__> `0660: because critical issues are more important than trivial issues? :-P
May 01 11:26:35 <Arkenoi> the firmware release process is just unacceptable
May 01 11:26:58 <`0660> andre__, wouldn't it be quite critical from nokia's point of view, if n900 users "spread the word" of bugs with n900 by submitting photos to flicr? :)
May 01 11:28:25 <Arkenoi> i doubt "critical" is appropriate word for nokia regarding *anything* of maemo
May 01 11:28:50 <andre__> `0660: technically critical. not marketing.
May 01 11:29:32 <`0660> in the other hand, i'm very excited about the fact that this specific fix has been done but not integrated, that could only mean that there is so much code being integrated at the moment to maemo, that fixes like this just cannot get in :)
May 01 11:29:57 <Arkenoi> maybe it is slightly more important that 9k communicator series
May 01 11:30:06 <Arkenoi> which was almost unsupported at large
May 01 11:30:19 <Arkenoi> and i think almost no one was really expected to use it
May 01 11:30:35 <Arkenoi> it was just an exhibit "see, we are hitech and futuristic guys"
May 01 11:31:29 <`0660> 9k was really common in finland
May 01 11:31:41 <`0660> at some point everyone seemed to have one
May 01 11:32:35 <Arkenoi> then i wonder why it was marketed so silly and the software features were that limited
May 01 11:32:52 <`0660> i just don't think nokia is putting enough eggs on the maemo/meego basket. in the other hand, what would i know :)
May 01 11:33:02 <Arkenoi> actually i'v seen almost no 9000/9110/9210 on the streets
May 01 11:33:09 <Arkenoi> even e90 was quite rare
May 01 11:33:50 <MohammadAG> http://maemocentral.com/2010/04/30/the-n900-with-pr-1-2-launches-in-hong-kong-with-an-awesome-promo-video/
May 01 11:33:52 <`0660> Arkenoi, is that in italy?
May 01 11:34:01 <Arkenoi> though i think e90 did sell several times better
May 01 11:34:04 <DrGrov> Arkenoi: persons who needed a qwerty and got used to one kept a E90 and still do
May 01 11:34:10 <Arkenoi> 0660, Russia
May 01 11:34:30 <DrGrov> Arkenoi: my cousin is an example. he had the 9110 and 9210 and then got himself the E90 which he still has
May 01 11:34:41 <Arkenoi> DrGrov: i love e90 keyboard but i sold it almost immediately just to forget symbian legacy forever
May 01 11:35:04 <`0660> Arkenoi, i guess all the markets are different. i don't think you would find any in usa either :)
May 01 11:35:11 <DrGrov> Arkenoi: oh, i see.
May 01 11:35:32 <DrGrov> i would never touch a phone with android nor windows mobile
May 01 11:35:53 <`0660> why no android?
May 01 11:36:05 <Arkenoi> Android is quite nice. WM is hell, for sure
May 01 11:36:18 <DrGrov> I don't like to have Google checking up on me what I do
May 01 11:36:37 <DrGrov> Feels like a bit of a iPhone thing with Android... Control and control all over
May 01 11:36:43 <`0660> i'm a bit worried about the amount of stuff google knows too
May 01 11:37:03 <DrGrov> I would never ever use an Android device and feel comfortable with it
May 01 11:37:31 <DrGrov> I mean seriously... WTF do I need an account on Google to use Android Market? It is insane
May 01 11:37:38 <Arkenoi> Well, i sync n900 with google anyways. Kind of anal slavery again, but it is handy ;-)
May 01 11:37:57 <DrGrov> Arkenoi: you are putting your ass on the line there LOL
May 01 11:38:07 <sECuRE> DrGrov: you need an account to use ovi store, too. where’s the difference?
May 01 11:38:09 <DrGrov> Arkenoi: you better move it out of the way before Google gets horny
May 01 11:38:27 <DrGrov> sECuRE: the reason I got the N900 is because I don't need nor want to use Ovi Store
May 01 11:38:44 <DrGrov> sECuRE: the difference is merely that Nokia I "can" trust more sincerely than Google
May 01 11:39:33 <DrGrov> sECuRE: so if I want to use ovi store I would use it of course since i feel it is a bit more secure than android market
May 01 11:40:45 <`0660> the danger of google is their ability to combine data from their various services
May 01 11:40:48 <Arkenoi> there are free and quite anarchic alternatives to android market, right?
May 01 11:41:22 <DrGrov> `0660: yeah, it is.
May 01 11:41:52 <DrGrov> `0660: and i mean seriously... who the fuck gives their password to google in gmail to synchronize all contacts from any other email? :D
May 01 11:42:09 <DrGrov> i wouldn't trust the fuckers on what they do with the information
May 01 11:42:36 <MohammadAG> http://twitpic.com/1jx37m/full 10.2010.12-9
May 01 11:42:50 <`0660> who the fuck gives their email passwords to other service :)
May 01 11:42:51 <MohammadAG> I'm guessing it's going to be -8 for the rest of us, but who gives a crap :P
May 01 11:43:05 <DrGrov>  `0660 yeah. you are right
May 01 11:43:24 <Arkenoi> BTW what always made me wonder about 9k series marketing is that it was positioned as manager's toy, though it was definitely too complicated for most of "business" guys, rather being  a perfect tool for a filed engineer or just a geek
May 01 11:43:26 <DrGrov> one of the reasons I don't use Facebook is because it will fuck people up
May 01 11:43:52 <Arkenoi> put geeks were stuck with Palm because Palm was smart enough to market it as a geek toy
May 01 11:44:41 <`0660> Arkenoi, i think it was more like a status symbol in finland
May 01 11:44:56 <Arkenoi> status?
May 01 11:45:07 <Arkenoi> omfg, to show off with a cellphone is so 90's
May 01 11:45:49 <`0660> well, you'd know someone had some sort of position in a company if they were provided with a 9k :)
May 01 11:46:05 <Arkenoi> though well, it attracted girls attention much back in 1998 ;-)
May 01 11:46:40 <MohammadAG> andre__, nope, install fails
May 01 11:46:46 <Arkenoi> actually it was so huge most people thinked it must be a satellite phone ;-)
May 01 11:46:49 <DrGrov> bbl
May 01 11:46:49 <MohammadAG> mmap: Operation not permitted
May 01 11:46:50 <`0660> it was pretty sad when someone had actually bought one with their own money
May 01 11:46:50 <andre__> weird
May 01 11:47:01 <MohammadAG> Updating sudoers
May 01 11:47:02 <MohammadAG> mmap: Operation not permitted
May 01 11:47:02 <MohammadAG> /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo changes break sudoers
May 01 11:48:53 <Arkenoi> 0660: surely. actually i've seen several guys with 9k who ordered it just to show off (yes, for company's money mostly) and almost never even opened it
May 01 11:49:31 <Arkenoi> and i am afraid there were quite many of those
May 01 11:49:48 <Arkenoi> and that's why software was so silly: no one cared
May 01 11:50:47 <MohammadAG> andre__, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=636180
May 01 11:51:09 <DocScrutinizer> moo
May 01 11:51:32 <MohammadAG> \o DocScrutinizer
May 01 11:51:54 <zokier> ive had similar install probelm too
May 01 11:52:55 <andre__> MohammadAG, looks different from bug 9803 to me (mmap instead of awk?). can you please file a separate issue?
May 01 11:52:55 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9803 Installation of Maemo 5 SDK fails in Ubuntu 9.10 (awk not working?)
May 01 11:53:53 <MohammadAG> andre__, yeah already checked that bug yesterday (think I commented on it), I'll file a bug in a bit, just making sure it's not because of x64
May 01 11:54:08 <andre__> ah, thanks
May 01 11:54:39 <zokier> MohammadAG, i had "mmap: Operation not permitted"
May 01 11:54:48 <zokier> too, on x86
May 01 11:54:52 <zokier> http://zokier.net/stuff/maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.log
May 01 11:54:59 <MohammadAG> oh, so it's not that then...
May 01 11:55:39 <MohammadAG> zokier, which OS?
May 01 11:55:46 <zokier> ubuntu lucid
May 01 11:55:55 <jacekowski> hmm
May 01 11:56:04 <jacekowski> it seems like all people have problem on lucid with that
May 01 11:56:40 <zokier> i believe that lucid has more strict security settings that breaks stuff, but thats just a guess
May 01 11:57:08 <jacekowski> well, mmap shouldn't be broken by anything
May 01 11:57:25 <jacekowski> except pax
May 01 11:57:33 <MohammadAG> the mmap error happens in scratchbox, OS independent
May 01 11:57:47 <jacekowski> is there any information in dmesg
May 01 11:57:50 <jacekowski> after that error
May 01 11:58:04 <jacekowski> and running failing app on strace would help
May 01 11:58:17 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, sec, manually rerunning commands
May 01 11:58:31 <MohammadAG> Need to get 141MB of archives.
May 01 11:58:44 <zokier> jacekowski, iirc nothing in dmesg, but i'm not sure (it was few days ago i did that installation)
May 01 11:59:19 <jacekowski> running failing app on strace would be most helpfull
May 01 11:59:44 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, I'll do it in a bit
May 01 12:00:53 <MohammadAG> zokier, Fetched 69.3MB in 29s (2373kB/s) <-- wtf
May 01 12:01:04 <zokier> huh?
May 01 12:01:05 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: strange, I felt silly to suggest it
May 01 12:01:12 <Anon806> hi
May 01 12:01:15 <MohammadAG> zokier, it's still downloading here
May 01 12:01:32 <Anon806> ?
May 01 12:01:33 <MohammadAG> 45kbps, grrr
May 01 12:01:38 <zokier> :P
May 01 12:01:54 <zokier> 100Mbps internets is nice sometimes
May 01 12:01:55 <Anon806> guys?
May 01 12:02:05 <MohammadAG> hey Anon806
May 01 12:02:17 <Anon806> hi hows it goin
May 01 12:02:31 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: why?
May 01 12:02:46 <MohammadAG> not fine, I lost my SDK by upgrading :)
May 01 12:02:49 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: thought it's too obvious
May 01 12:02:54 <MohammadAG> hey noobmonk3y
May 01 12:03:00 <noobmonk3y> morrrrrrrrnin!
May 01 12:03:02 <Anon806> whats tht ?
May 01 12:03:30 <Anon806> were is everyone from?
May 01 12:03:35 <jacekowski> far away
May 01 12:03:41 <DocScrutinizer> Anon806: stop trolling
May 01 12:03:50 * noobmonk3y is from the land of trolls
May 01 12:03:53 <Anon806> australia?
May 01 12:03:53 <jacekowski> but we all wish we would be from HK because they already have 1.2
May 01 12:03:59 * noobmonk3y trolls about all day doing troll'y things
May 01 12:04:31 <noobmonk3y> jacekowski, as much as PR1.2 sounds good, i dont want to have to learn another language to have it ;)
May 01 12:04:34 <Anon806> r use aussie?
May 01 12:04:42 <noobmonk3y> i'm 1/2 aussie lol
May 01 12:05:09 <MohammadAG_> oh ffs
May 01 12:05:12 <Anon806> what do u do on this chat.. im here to find out bout oz hip hop...
May 01 12:05:23 <MohammadAG_> xchat crashed ubuntu lucid, AGAIN
May 01 12:05:25 <noobmonk3y> Anon go and join #ozhiphop
May 01 12:05:34 <noobmonk3y> again again?!
May 01 12:05:34 <jacekowski> MohammadAG: new ubuntu, new bugs
May 01 12:05:38 * noobmonk3y meh's
May 01 12:05:49 <MohammadAG_> jacekowski, 9.10 was better @ release :)
May 01 12:06:00 <Anon806> how do u make one up?
May 01 12:06:16 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: proof!!! where's the proof for HK having a real 1.2?
May 01 12:06:33 <noobmonk3y> DocScrutinizer, theres a pic floating around somewhere
May 01 12:06:42 <MohammadAG_> DocScrutinizer, I have a feeling he's a bot...
May 01 12:06:53 <noobmonk3y> DocScrutinizer, http://tinyurl.com/3y827ml
May 01 12:06:54 <MohammadAG_> DocScrutinizer, it's on twitpic, posted it above
May 01 12:07:44 <Anon806> huh
May 01 12:08:09 <Anon806> sdf
May 01 12:08:28 <noobmonk3y> ~slap katherine
May 01 12:08:29 * infobot slaps katherine, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
May 01 12:08:57 <katherine> were from austrlia u from
May 01 12:09:03 <noobmonk3y> lol
May 01 12:09:10 <noobmonk3y> where does it say i'm from australia?
May 01 12:09:20 <noobmonk3y> infobot is from australia though ;)
May 01 12:09:33 <katherine> wtf... why are u on this then
May 01 12:09:37 <noobmonk3y> #maemo?
May 01 12:09:38 <noobmonk3y> lol
May 01 12:09:43 <katherine> its AUSTRALIAN HIP TOP
May 01 12:09:48 <noobmonk3y> lol
May 01 12:09:54 <noobmonk3y> katherine, you are lost ;)
May 01 12:10:06 <katherine> no u r
May 01 12:10:15 <noobmonk3y> lols
May 01 12:10:20 <noobmonk3y> what #room are you in?
May 01 12:10:34 <katherine> i dnt no.. first time on this
May 01 12:10:46 <noobmonk3y> lol well you are in #maemo
May 01 12:10:48 <noobmonk3y> ~maemo
May 01 12:10:49 <infobot> methinks maemo is http://maemo.nokia.com/ http://maemo.org/ http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Device_Platforms/Maemo.xhtml
May 01 12:11:05 <noobmonk3y> nothing to do with australia, hip hop or anything like that erally
May 01 12:11:52 <katherine> have use even herd of drapht or hilltops then ? seriously
May 01 12:12:14 <noobmonk3y> nope no idea what u r on about - anyway wrong room to discuss it
May 01 12:12:30 * noobmonk3y is off, back laters
May 01 12:12:37 <MohammadAG_> cya
May 01 12:12:42 <katherine> wtf then use r freaks.. go on ur own coutry music chat room then
May 01 12:12:57 <katherine> immigrants
May 01 12:13:53 <MohammadAG_> that was one hell of a fail... * Disconnected (Connection reset by peer).
May 01 12:14:05 <MohammadAG_> oh well, I tried
May 01 12:14:09 <MohammadAG_> /kick katherine Stop trolling
May 01 12:15:45 * frals slaps noobmonk3y with a large salmon
May 01 12:27:56 <inkbottle> hi, i'm lookink for repos to add in my source.list
May 01 12:28:57 <inkbottle> i'm also wondering if there is weeirc for maemo somewhere
May 01 12:30:52 * ioeee saluda a todos menos a ti :P
May 01 12:31:06 <inkbottle> i think i'll come back with a biger computer later on for it's getting painful :)
May 01 12:36:26 <SpeedEvil> can any of the browsers on n900 support hardware accellerated moving video decode?
May 01 12:36:48 <valdyn> SpeedEvil: no
May 01 12:37:05 <SpeedEvil> I'm wondering about a bastardised proxy to rewrite flash video.
May 01 12:41:14 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, not until flash 10 is released
May 01 12:41:39 <SpeedEvil> naah - rtmpdump based
May 01 12:42:08 <SpeedEvil> I have severe doubts flash 10 will do smooth fullscreen video
May 01 12:43:56 <dubzii> is there any download available that makes the volume buttons in my headset work for the media player?
May 01 12:44:46 <frals> fuck sake not even 3g in this church
May 01 12:46:53 <Termana> frals, do you live in a church or something?
May 01 12:47:26 <Macer> omfg
May 01 12:47:30 <MohammadAG> there was one, PR1.1 broke it
May 01 12:47:34 <Macer> how the hell is google valued at $500+/share?
May 01 12:47:43 <Macer> that is retarded
May 01 12:48:00 <valdyn> Macer: so short it
May 01 12:48:19 <Macer> valdyn: yeah. it needs to pop anyways
May 01 12:48:24 * Macer goes to dig out some gold bars
May 01 12:48:32 <Macer> apple is around 260
May 01 12:48:37 <frals> Termana: at a wedding
May 01 12:48:48 <frals> or well, its not begun yet
May 01 12:48:49 <Macer> i'm sure they went down a bit when they said adobe flash was crap
May 01 12:49:01 <MohammadAG> frals, why do you need 3G at a wedding? :)
May 01 12:49:01 <Macer> something like "flash isn't good enough for an iphone"
May 01 12:49:02 <Macer> haha
May 01 12:49:07 <frals> in a room with 60ppl pretending its the middle ages
May 01 12:49:13 <MohammadAG> (unless you're Qik'ing it)
May 01 12:49:57 <Macer> i thought microb plays flash videos
May 01 12:50:02 <frals> MohammadAG: becuase my data gets suspended while i receive txts ;P
May 01 12:50:04 <Macer> seems like it isn't playing cnn videos :)
May 01 12:50:20 <Macer> then again. there is a new flash version every other day so i suppose that's normal
May 01 12:50:39 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, unpacking debs, if it fails how do I strace it?
May 01 12:51:01 <MohammadAG> frals, oh, I completely forgot about that crappy suspension
May 01 12:51:32 <Termana> frals, while your talking to us don't say anything out loud to yourself. If you object to something we say, and you say "I object" out loud, well, very embarrassing :P
May 01 12:52:31 <frals> i tend not to speak to myseld.. out loud :P
May 01 12:53:14 <Termana> Oh, well I don't either, you know I was just making sure you didn't. *looks sideways*
May 01 12:53:21 <Termana> :P lol
May 01 12:53:52 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, actually it failed lol
May 01 13:02:56 <b-man> Stskeeps: are you here? - i seem to be having some dsme/bme problems with your n900-support package
May 01 13:07:11 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, straced http://pastebin.com/gL8u0rCv
May 01 13:09:49 <lirakis> im trying to work through the hello world app using qt creator and i keep getting an error when trying to add a item to the menu bar.
May 01 13:09:53 <lirakis> QMenu *menu = this->menuBar()->addMenu(tr("&File"));
May 01 13:10:12 <lirakis> "invalid use of incomplete type struct menuBar"
May 01 13:10:17 <lirakis> is what i am getting
May 01 13:10:56 <lirakis> ive done some searching ... all ive seen is that ... possibly my app isnt inheriting properly ...?
May 01 13:11:04 <lirakis> any one have a quick pointer on how to fix this?
May 01 13:25:23 <MohammadAG_> meh
May 01 13:25:31 <MohammadAG_> 10.04 isn't booting up
May 01 13:25:32 <lirakis> qt creator with madde is so much easier than scratchbox
May 01 13:25:40 <lirakis> MohammadAG, thats sucky
May 01 13:25:45 <korhojoa> MohammadAG_: 'buntu?
May 01 13:25:49 <lirakis> this is your clean install? or upgrade?
May 01 13:25:56 <MohammadAG_> clean install
May 01 13:26:02 <MohammadAG_> init gets terminated
May 01 13:26:29 <korhojoa> get debian
May 01 13:26:35 <MohammadAG_> korhojoa, yeah, I'm seriously considering switching to debian
May 01 13:26:49 <MohammadAG_> ^
May 01 13:27:00 <korhojoa> go for it.
May 01 13:27:10 <korhojoa> i switched to debian from gentoo a long time ago
May 01 13:27:13 <korhojoa> never looked back, really
May 01 13:27:18 <MohammadAG_> last time I tried it it didn't boot up the install
May 01 13:27:25 <korhojoa> tried ubuntu, but it kept pissing me off
May 01 13:27:28 <MohammadAG_> said something about missing cdrom module
May 01 13:28:05 <korhojoa> just use netinstall
May 01 13:30:20 <MohammadAG_> korhojoa, what's that?
May 01 13:40:17 * lcuk wakes up
May 01 13:42:07 <Termana> hello lcuk
May 01 13:43:45 <lcuk> hey Termana, whats new
May 01 13:44:14 <Termana> lcuk, nothing much my way, what about with you?
May 01 13:45:14 <lcuk> gettin ready to goto party
May 01 14:10:45 * lcukn900 accidentally a bacon butty
May 01 14:13:41 <zash> lcukn900: omg! how that happen?
May 01 14:14:39 <DocScrutinizer> noobmonk3y: MohammadAG_: this site doesn't say it's ONE-DOT-TWO. It explicitly says this *could* be 1.2
May 01 14:15:43 <lcukn900> zash i dunno
May 01 14:16:30 <lcukn900> noobmonk3y, omg i didnt think you were here.   whats the imei code and why does it look like my sim number
May 01 14:16:41 <lcukn900> i thought it was hardware code
May 01 14:17:14 <MohammadAG_> DocScrutinizer, 10.2010 is 1.2 afaik
May 01 14:17:46 <MohammadAG_> lcukn900, you're kidding right? ;)
May 01 14:18:19 <Andy80> at this point they could release 1.3 directly ;)
May 01 14:19:04 <MohammadAG_> DocScrutinizer, btw I didn't gather than info from the HK release :)
May 01 14:19:22 <MohammadAG_> oh and I refer to it as one point two, kinda hate the word dot :P
May 01 14:20:09 <Andy80> btw, is anyone of you having problems installing Maemo SDK on Ubuntu Lucid?
May 01 14:21:04 <MohammadAG_> o|
May 01 14:24:26 <DocScrutinizer> lcukn900: mixed IMEI with IMSI?
May 01 14:24:41 <lcukn900> e:notenoughcoffee
May 01 14:24:57 <MohammadAG_> lol
May 01 14:25:28 <lcukn900> yes false alarm
May 01 14:26:14 <jacekowski> Andy80: apparently lot of people
May 01 14:29:49 <jacekowski> MohammadAG_: can you strace it again
May 01 14:29:55 <jacekowski> MohammadAG_: with different options
May 01 14:30:04 <MohammadAG_> sure, I think..
May 01 14:30:05 <jacekowski> MohammadAG_: add -f
May 01 14:33:55 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, apparently pastebin can;t handle 16000 lines
May 01 14:34:17 <jacekowski> try wklej.org
May 01 14:34:55 <MohammadAG> actually
May 01 14:35:03 <MohammadAG> firefox is crashing
May 01 14:35:28 <jacekowski> wstaw.org
May 01 14:35:36 <jacekowski> and just post file with these lines
May 01 14:35:41 <jacekowski> hmm
May 01 14:35:41 <jacekowski> no
May 01 14:35:44 <jacekowski> that's only for images
May 01 14:35:59 <MohammadAG> doesn't matter, firefox is crap in 10.04
May 01 14:36:08 <MohammadAG> sec
May 01 14:36:16 <jacekowski> scp it to me?
May 01 14:36:22 <jacekowski> or ftp
May 01 14:36:27 <jacekowski> or /dcc
May 01 14:36:37 <MohammadAG> http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/strace.ext
May 01 14:38:08 <jacekowski> pid 11357] mmap2(0x8000, 32768, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 4, 0) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted)
May 01 14:39:02 <MohammadAG> that means?
May 01 14:39:16 <javispedro> noexec on the filesystem where 4 is?
May 01 14:39:21 <javispedro> *fd 4
May 01 14:39:39 <jacekowski> [pid 11357] open("/usr/bin/update-mime-database", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 4
May 01 14:39:49 <jacekowski> hmmm
May 01 14:39:53 <jacekowski> that's strange
May 01 14:40:12 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, /query / PM
May 01 14:40:32 <jacekowski> i saw it
May 01 14:40:56 <MohammadAG_> err, k
May 01 14:42:17 <jacekowski> so now, according to linux programmer's manual
May 01 14:42:39 * lcuk >> party
May 01 14:43:48 <jacekowski> that's strange
May 01 14:43:55 <jacekowski> it shouldn't fail
May 01 14:44:21 <jacekowski>        EPERM  The prot argument asks for PROT_EXEC but the mapped area belongs to a file on a file system that was mounted no-exec.
May 01 14:44:23 <MohammadAG> but it does :)
May 01 14:44:48 <MohammadAG> /scratchbox is on a filesystem of its own, if that helps
May 01 14:50:08 <mikki-kun|N900> exi
May 01 14:50:25 <mikki-kun> meh... sorry, was a typo
May 01 14:53:45 <korhojoa> MohammadAG: late reply, but netinstall is when you just boot the system from some media with enough stuff to connect to the network and install over that
May 01 14:53:57 <korhojoa> for example, i use tftp and the internet
May 01 14:54:22 <korhojoa> boots via the PXE rom on the computers and then loads the rest of the OS from the local debian mirror
May 01 14:54:23 <MohammadAG> korhojoa, yeah already downloaded the iso and burned it
May 01 14:54:28 <korhojoa> ah, ok :D
May 01 14:54:30 <MohammadAG> but jacekowski's having a look
May 01 14:55:12 <ZogG> mikki-kun, how old are you?
May 01 14:57:13 <korhojoa> anyone remember what the programming language was called that only used spaces and newlines?
May 01 14:57:33 <sECuRE> whitespace
May 01 14:57:54 <luke-jr> lol
May 01 14:58:08 <korhojoa> there isn't a syntax highlighter for that on wklej.org
May 01 14:58:25 <sECuRE> what fun would it be if you had a syntax highlighter, common…
May 01 15:31:34 <Andy80> MohammadAG: please read this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=636394&postcount=8 about the Maemo SDK problems with Ubuntu Lucid :)
May 01 15:32:29 <MohammadAG> Andy80, inside scrachbox?
May 01 15:32:49 <MohammadAG> scratchbox*
May 01 15:33:02 <Andy80> MohammadAG: all those instruction OUTSIDE Scratchbox
May 01 15:33:47 <Andy80> it worked for me
May 01 15:34:27 <Andy80> don't forget to start with a CLEAN install once you've fixed that line... resuming an interrupted Maemo SDK installation will fail anyway
May 01 15:34:29 <MohammadAG> Andy80, testing
May 01 15:35:38 <Andy80> I got to go, let me know later :)
May 01 15:35:57 <MohammadAG> Andy80, thanks, testing :)
May 01 15:47:01 <javispedro> ah, aim for cover! from the man who brought you pulseaudio, here comes the next initd replacement!
May 01 15:47:54 <Robot101> computer won't boot for half the people, but it'll be the fault of your bios... :P
May 01 15:48:55 <DocScrutinizer> OMG
May 01 15:49:58 <javispedro> Robot101: he's already blaming all those pesky 30-year old daemons! "they're badly written!"
May 01 15:50:17 <javispedro> and he even cites steve jobs himself for that!
May 01 15:50:28 <javispedro> *quotes
May 01 15:51:07 <zokier> dont we already have new and flashy initd replacement, Upstart
May 01 15:51:18 <javispedro> outdated! like HAL -- outdated!
May 01 15:51:50 <arachnist> zokier: there's a flashier one!
May 01 15:51:51 <Treibholz> why do we need that? we don't need to boot faster, what we need is better suspend and more stability!
May 01 15:51:53 <arachnist> zokier: systemd
May 01 15:51:56 <javispedro> (well tbh I have always though upstart sucks)
May 01 15:52:23 <arachnist> javispedro: because it does. it's doing the thing it's supposed to do, backwards
May 01 15:52:31 <arachnist> s/back/but back/
May 01 15:52:32 <infobot> arachnist meant: javispedro: because it does. it's doing the thing it's supposed to do, but backwards
May 01 15:52:40 * javispedro is a die-hard initng user
May 01 15:53:56 <derf> You people are all crazy. You boot once, and then leave it running until the hardware fails.
May 01 15:54:01 <arachnist> initng was nice, but systemd has some features initng isn't going to get (because it seems like its development stopped shortly after the original developer quit)
May 01 15:54:13 <javispedro> arachnist: initng has a plugin system
May 01 15:54:31 <javispedro> the only issue with initng is that I'm not sure I want such a beast as pid1
May 01 15:55:00 <arachnist> javispedro: i used to, back in the 0.2.x days
May 01 15:55:23 <arachnist> stopped using it, because it happened to segfault sometimes
May 01 15:55:28 <javispedro> exactly.
May 01 15:55:43 <javispedro> i am running it now, 0.6.10.2
May 01 15:56:07 * DocScrutinizer activates PA selfdestruct
May 01 15:56:46 * RST38h grins and asks if initng is localized
May 01 15:56:56 <javispedro> localiwhat?
May 01 15:57:01 <javispedro> :D
May 01 15:57:04 <RST38h> localized, you know
May 01 15:57:18 <RST38h> someone claimed here recently that localization is *very* important =)
May 01 15:57:19 <javispedro> localized init, like old redhat's!
May 01 15:57:29 <N0vember> is anyone here familiar with gpsjinni?
May 01 15:57:41 <DocScrutinizer> a lttle
May 01 15:58:28 <N0vember> ive got the problem that ive been unable to export a logged track from the n900. cant find the file
May 01 15:59:29 <DocScrutinizer> no idea. I suggest to look in ~user/MyDocs/.documents/*
May 01 15:59:36 <N0vember> isnt there
May 01 16:00:07 <DocScrutinizer> strace
May 01 16:09:05 <Andy80> MohammadAG: I'm back. Did it work?
May 01 16:09:53 <MohammadAG> Andy80, if I say I'm still downloading, would you believe me? XD
May 01 16:10:14 <Andy80> MohammadAG: yes, don't worry :)
May 01 16:10:57 <MohammadAG> wohooo! worked!
May 01 16:10:57 <MohammadAG> Andy80, mind if I add this to the wiki script?
May 01 16:11:01 <Andy80> by the way... I think that at least the graphical installer could be fixed to automatically apply that line for users that have ubuntu lucid.
May 01 16:11:14 <MohammadAG> echo "vm.mmap_min_addr = 0" >> /etc/sysctl.conf
May 01 16:11:22 <Andy80> MohammadAG: do it without any problem :)
May 01 16:11:26 <MohammadAG> sysctl -p
May 01 16:11:27 <MohammadAG> in the script
May 01 16:11:50 <MohammadAG> Andy80, thanks!
May 01 16:11:55 <MohammadAG> Andy80, if this is added to the Ubuntu 9.10 file, would something bad happen?
May 01 16:11:57 * gevaerts thinks that this should come with a warning to the effect that the default setting is there for a reason
May 01 16:12:11 <Andy80> MohammadAG: adding to the wiki is a nice thing but we should also open a bug, so Nokia can add that line to the original script too.
May 01 16:12:28 <Andy80> MohammadAG: no idea about using that on Ubuntu 9.10 :\
May 01 16:12:40 <gevaerts> MohammadAG: setting that to 0 makes some sorts of kernel vulnerabilities easier to exploit
May 01 16:12:42 <MohammadAG> Andy80, they'll rip the script in a month or so :P
May 01 16:13:01 <MohammadAG> Andy80, I'm adding it to the automated script and uploading it somewhere, no one should notice anything
May 01 16:13:58 <MohammadAG> gevaerts, so.. Ubuntu 10.04 shouldn't install the SDK?
May 01 16:13:58 <MohammadAG> ~MaemoSDK
May 01 16:13:59 <infobot> from memory, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation
May 01 16:15:01 <gevaerts> MohammadAG: it doesn't make sense to go that far. That setting only brings things back to the old situation. I do think the documentation should mention this though
May 01 16:15:16 <Andy80> gevaerts, MohammadAG: without that line, ubuntu lucid user cannot install Maemo SDK. Maybe we can change that line back once the SDK is installed?
May 01 16:15:27 <MohammadAG> gevaerts, so adding it to the script isn't recommended?
May 01 16:15:40 <gevaerts> Andy80: does it work without that setting after installation?
May 01 16:15:54 <MohammadAG> Andy80, is it possible?
May 01 16:15:55 <Andy80> gevaerts: I didn't test it yet
May 01 16:16:16 <MohammadAG> thanks for rephrasing my sentence gevaerts :P
May 01 16:17:01 <Andy80> within few days I've to make some examples, tests running on Scratchbox, for a presentation, so I'll have to test it someway
May 01 16:17:19 <gevaerts> MohammadAG: that's a hard question to answer. I wouldn't like installation scripts to change that sort of settings on my systems, I'd prefer them to just tell me that they're needed. I suspect I'm not in the majority though
May 01 16:17:26 <MohammadAG> Andy80, hmm, it could be added as a paramterer
May 01 16:17:27 <MohammadAG> no idea how
May 01 16:17:49 <MohammadAG> like -V to set it to 0
May 01 16:18:18 <Andy80> btw... is something related to qemu not being compatible without that... so we should try to investigate in that way :P
May 01 16:19:25 <MohammadAG> gevaerts, as I said, it could be added a parameter
May 01 16:19:45 <gevaerts> http://wiki.debian.org/mmap_min_addr says that qemu needs it
May 01 16:20:02 <MohammadAG> ./maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh -u $USER -V <-- example
May 01 16:20:11 <MohammadAG> problem is, how the hell can that be added lol
May 01 16:21:06 <DocScrutinizer> hoory for buntkuh-virus in disguise of a meamo-sourcecode ;-P
May 01 16:21:13 <DocScrutinizer> hooray even
May 01 16:21:51 <gevaerts> Maybe always just set the thing and document it on the wiki?
May 01 16:22:21 <DocScrutinizer> don't forget to document how to exploit it XP
May 01 16:22:43 <gevaerts> Or update qemu apparently
May 01 16:25:27 <Andy80> gevaerts, DocScrutinizer: does that line expose the machine to a remote attack too?
May 01 16:25:36 <javispedro> disabling vdso is much more stupid on a 32 bit machine is much more stupid.
May 01 16:26:14 <gevaerts> Andy80: as far as I understand it, it doesn't expose the machine to any attack *directly*, but it makes some null-pointer dereferences in the kernel easier to exploit
May 01 16:26:33 <javispedro> since disabling vdso -> performance hit
May 01 16:26:51 <DocScrutinizer> Andy80: aiui no
May 01 16:27:07 <Andy80> DocScrutinizer: aiui?
May 01 16:27:17 <DocScrutinizer> ~wtf aiui
May 01 16:27:19 <infobot> AIUI: as I understand it
May 01 16:27:22 <Andy80> :D
May 01 16:27:29 <gevaerts> ~wtf wtf
May 01 16:27:30 <infobot> WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck
May 01 16:27:52 <Andy80> DocScrutinizer: I can uniderstand "wtf" ;) I play to WoW sometimes :D
May 01 16:29:07 <MohammadAG> echo "foo" >> something adds foo to the end of a file right?
May 01 16:29:16 <MohammadAG> and > replaces the whole file
May 01 16:29:36 <gevaerts> yes
May 01 16:30:28 <Andy80> short solution: I'll keep that line for the moment. I need to use my time to prepare slides and examples. When the presentation will be over I'll just start using a virtual machine to develop with Maemo SDK :)
May 01 16:31:18 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: depends. On noclobber it won't replace the file, and throw error instead
May 01 16:31:56 <MohammadAG> lol k
May 01 16:32:29 <DocScrutinizer> If  the  redirection  operator is >, and the noclobber option to the set builtin has been enabled, the redirection
May 01 16:32:30 <DocScrutinizer>        will fail if the file whose name results from the expansion of word exists and is a regular file
May 01 16:32:49 <MohammadAG> but >> adds to EOF
May 01 16:32:51 <mikki-kun> uhm, is irssi from the repos striped?
May 01 16:32:53 <MohammadAG> :)
May 01 16:33:08 <DocScrutinizer> depends on noclobber X-P
May 01 16:34:21 <DocScrutinizer> oops, seems I'm wrong here
May 01 16:34:47 <DocScrutinizer> thought it throws error if noclobber and file doesn't exist
May 01 16:36:26 <mikki-kun> uhm, i think i found a glitch in the media player used together with CuteExplorer
May 01 16:37:16 <mikki-kun> will do a lil bit more testing... where would i report that then if it is one?
May 01 16:37:36 <BCMM> can anybody recommend a nice screen protector that fits an n900?
May 01 16:38:19 <BCMM> i've just installed one, and it registers touch perfectly, but is much more frictiony than the screen
May 01 16:38:39 <BCMM> so that its difficult to do things that involved dragging like changing desktops
May 01 16:38:40 <DocScrutinizer> mikki-kun: maybe you find a niche between the zillion tickets for mediaplayer in bugtracker
May 01 16:39:21 <mikki-kun> ohhh
May 01 16:39:34 <mikki-kun> so if there are already that many i won't add mine there :D
May 01 16:40:08 <mikki-kun> well, i was just able to play an flv-file with the media player :D
May 01 16:40:30 * gevaerts wants rockbox to run properly on his n900
May 01 16:40:38 <DocScrutinizer> now that's a flaw ;-P
May 01 16:40:53 <mikki-kun> ohhh uhm... wtf? that is an mpeg4?!
May 01 16:44:11 <DocScrutinizer> Andy80: http://www.google.de/search?q=vm.mmap_min_addr+vulnerability
May 01 16:49:00 <SpeedEvil> mikki-kun: how - it won't index them for me
May 01 16:49:36 <mikki-kun> SpeedEvil: hu? what do you mean?
May 01 16:49:37 <BCMM> gevaerts: Does it currently run badly, or not at all?
May 01 16:49:47 <gevaerts> BCMM: badly
May 01 16:50:02 <DocScrutinizer> MUHAHAHA I like that guys humor http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/fulldisc/full-disclosure/69537
May 01 16:50:09 <SpeedEvil> mikki-kun: I put some rtmpdumped streams that mplayer will play in ~/MyDocs/.video/ - and they are not indexed - so I can't play
May 01 16:50:12 <BCMM> gevaerts: is it an alternative OS, or is there a userspace version?
May 01 16:51:20 <gevaerts> BCMM: we have a simulator that uses sdl
May 01 16:51:24 <mikki-kun> i used "CuteExplorer" for that
May 01 16:51:51 <BCMM> gevaerts: is that specially for the n900, or is it what one uses on the desktop to develop rockbox?
May 01 16:52:06 <mikki-kun> started the file manager "Cute Explorer", went to my dir and then double"clicked" the file i wanted to get played
May 01 16:52:33 <gevaerts> BCMM: it's the one that runs on the desktop. We have a project now to transform that to be more suitable for mobile devices, but it's just getting started
May 01 16:52:33 <mikki-kun> sadly the file i tried wasn't a flashvideo, it was a  ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, version 2
May 01 16:52:51 <gevaerts> On my n900 it uses about 65% CPU, which is just too mugh
May 01 16:53:02 <BCMM> gevaerts: that would be pretty cool
May 01 16:53:09 <gevaerts> it also means I get audio dropouts every now and then
May 01 16:53:30 <gevaerts> BCMM: it should be :)
May 01 16:53:30 <BCMM> gevaerts: hmm, does the default media player use hardware acceleration for audio? would rockbox have a battery life disadvantage due to that?
May 01 16:54:02 <gevaerts> I don't know if it does. If so, it probably only uses it for some codecs
May 01 16:54:40 <gevaerts> We can play mp3 with 40MHz or so on ARM, so there's just no reason to use that much CPU in the simulator
May 01 16:54:48 <MohammadAG> brb
May 01 16:54:58 <ShadowJK> What simulator
May 01 16:55:04 <gevaerts> ShadowJK: rockbox
May 01 16:55:10 <ShadowJK> the default media player plays audio using the cpu
May 01 16:55:22 <gevaerts> good to know
May 01 16:55:29 <DocScrutinizer> HOLA ShadowJK
May 01 16:55:44 <ShadowJK> hai
May 01 16:57:39 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=635097#post635097
May 01 16:58:13 <ShadowJK> i saw :)
May 01 16:59:51 <javispedro> http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/cbus/tahvo-usb.c#493
May 01 17:00:06 <javispedro> this is the older nits one
May 01 17:00:44 <javispedro> compare with gaia one
May 01 17:00:46 <javispedro> http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/otg/twl4030-usb.c#678
May 01 17:02:44 <javispedro> gaia driver doesn't seem to interact with the hardware at all after switching to host mode, maybe it's waiting for reset or expects hw to switch modes for him?
May 01 17:05:29 <DocScrutinizer> ~lart GAN900
May 01 17:05:30 * infobot acting on orders from an unspecified client drags GAN900 into court suing for $200 million
May 01 17:06:27 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: you lured me into suffering deep depression from straying into tmo HK-pr1.2 thread ;-P
May 01 17:08:27 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: egoshin says the twl4030-musb doesn't have *any* code for hostmode - aiui
May 01 17:08:51 <javispedro> all the code seems to assume otg mode
May 01 17:09:04 <javispedro> only.
May 01 17:09:33 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: and that's btw exactly what I'd suspect Nokia did to put an end to trouble with USB.org consortium
May 01 17:09:46 <javispedro> gaia is also used by beagleboard
May 01 17:09:55 <javispedro> iiirc -- let me check
May 01 17:10:35 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer, how the hell did I do that?
May 01 17:11:38 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: there are two big mystries: why Nokia used 1707 instead of GAIA PHY (silicon bug?) - and why Nokia decided to use micro-B instead of correct micro-AB
May 01 17:12:07 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: I recall a posted email saying that GAIA can't do charger detection
May 01 17:12:11 <DocScrutinizer> GeneralAntilles: by posting to the thread ;-)
May 01 17:12:17 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: So charging from dead may have been tricky
May 01 17:12:27 * ShadowJK thought software would have to actually work with OTG for device to have Micro-AB
May 01 17:12:43 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer, so you're saying I should stick to posting useful things to useful threads, eh? ;)
May 01 17:12:45 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: this might be a valid point
May 01 17:13:09 <DocScrutinizer> ~SpeedEvil++
May 01 17:13:58 <SpeedEvil> Is the 1707 reworkable?
May 01 17:14:04 <SpeedEvil> Maybe also ESD reasons?
May 01 17:14:16 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: exactly
May 01 17:14:25 <SpeedEvil> If the USB phy dies - it's easier to replace the 1707 than gaia
May 01 17:14:36 <Khertan> Hi !
May 01 17:14:40 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: that's why the used micro-B and disabled parts of the driver probably
May 01 17:14:41 <SpeedEvil> Do you know if failed motherboards are reworked or scrapped?
May 01 17:14:51 <Khertan> people are becoming angry everywhere about this pr1.2 ...
May 01 17:14:52 <Khertan> ouch
May 01 17:15:20 <Khertan> http://www.maemofrance.fr/2010/05/nokia-n900-vous-sentez-vous-floue-par-nokia/
May 01 17:15:22 <MiXu-> Angry? Why?
May 01 17:15:40 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: PHY death is economic total loss of board
May 01 17:15:53 * Arkenoi wonders if we will get html5 in any browser til the end of the year
May 01 17:15:56 <javispedro> hm
May 01 17:16:00 <DocScrutinizer> no matter 1707 or gaia
May 01 17:16:02 <javispedro> the beagle has two ports -- ehci and otg
May 01 17:16:09 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: yeah - I suspect so. I do wonder what a board costs nokia
May 01 17:16:11 <javispedro> dunno where each one is connected, anyone knows?
May 01 17:16:21 <DocScrutinizer> ~80
May 01 17:16:22 <infobot> [80] the default port for HTTP
May 01 17:16:33 <GeneralAntilles> Khertan, they just need to freaking release the damn thing already.
May 01 17:16:33 <DocScrutinizer> yayaya
May 01 17:16:36 <ShadowJK> beagleboard schematics should be available
May 01 17:16:38 <javispedro> I'm also reading the echi one is disabled due to phy bugs
May 01 17:16:42 <javispedro> *ehci
May 01 17:16:53 <DocScrutinizer> maybe  less
May 01 17:17:03 <Khertan> MiXu-, waiting  ... maybe ... no informations ... don't know
May 01 17:17:12 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: All of the errata docs I've read don't seem to be killer issues for ehci
May 01 17:17:19 <Khertan> GeneralAntilles, hum ... maybe they have a good reason
May 01 17:18:00 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: eeek
May 01 17:18:08 <GeneralAntilles> Likely depends heavily on perspective. ;)
May 01 17:18:15 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: pointer?
May 01 17:18:16 <ShadowJK> javispedro: I think ehci one works on the newsest beagleboard. iirc it went through being not connected due to errata, and connected but unstable due to more errata
May 01 17:18:18 <javispedro> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/issues/detail?id=7&can=1
May 01 17:18:24 <javispedro> different PHY chip, though (SMSC)
May 01 17:18:37 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 01 17:18:44 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, probably one of the reference guide PDF files..
May 01 17:19:00 <Khertan> i waiting it for a mfe bug fixes and on device pyside dev ... but ... i think many people waiting this release will be disapointed
May 01 17:19:11 <Khertan> it s just a bugs fix release
May 01 17:19:30 <ShadowJK> I think most mfe bugs are "bugs" in the spec
May 01 17:19:36 <ShadowJK> like support for google mfe
May 01 17:19:50 * DocScrutinizer wonders if you can unload friggin musb-hdrc and modprobe a sane driver
May 01 17:20:03 <DocScrutinizer> err unbind?
May 01 17:20:48 <javispedro> na, builtin
May 01 17:21:25 <Khertan> ShadowJK, yep ... but the problems with mfe and google ... is mainly due to the strange implementations made by google
May 01 17:21:29 <javispedro> so it seems beagle uses twl4030 phy for otg port
May 01 17:21:39 <DocScrutinizer> cat /sys/class/usbmon/usbmon1/device/usb_host\:usb_host1/device/vbus # o.O  .o0(???)
May 01 17:22:04 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: that's what I seem to remember as well
May 01 17:22:38 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: SpeedEvil's explanation makes perfect sense though
May 01 17:23:41 <DocScrutinizer> esp regarding recent move of EU to mandatory charging-over.USB
May 01 17:25:20 <javispedro> http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-usb/2010/3/22/6259541 nokian at work
May 01 17:25:35 <SpeedEvil> I don't see why simply detecting 5V, and charging at 100mA till vbat >n wouldn't work thoguh
May 01 17:25:40 <frankS2> nice
May 01 17:25:54 <SpeedEvil> Plus a fast boot/shutdown mode in bootloader
May 01 17:26:36 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: wooohoooo
May 01 17:27:02 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: ack
May 01 17:27:42 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: but probably you want to detect D-short in normal operation as well
May 01 17:28:33 <SpeedEvil> oh - true
May 01 17:28:38 <DocScrutinizer> if GAIA doesn't know how to do that and signal it via bitflag at least, then we're out of luck with fastcharging via dumb wallwart
May 01 17:28:41 <ZogG_N900> MohammadAG, are u around?
May 01 17:28:44 <mirsal> hey :)
May 01 17:28:49 <SpeedEvil> you'd need at least some hardware hacks with gpio
May 01 17:29:09 <RST38h> Any Qt experts here?
May 01 17:29:36 <SpeedEvil> Is the above patch mentioned directly to do with host? It seems mostly charger related - or maybe I'm confused
May 01 17:29:45 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: USB2.0 is a BITCH. You cam't simply hook on some additional comparators etc
May 01 17:30:06 <DocScrutinizer> ABS MAX parasitary C = 10p IIRC
May 01 17:30:08 <Ikarus> DocScrutinizer: see privmsg
May 01 17:30:16 <SpeedEvil> perhaps this is moving some of the bitbanging of stuff out into the kernel from bme
May 01 17:30:33 <javispedro> SpeedEvil: yes -- just pointed that patch because it has a bunchload of lines removed from twl3040
May 01 17:30:45 <javispedro> but twl3040 usb is also used in beagleboard, pandora, ... so not much interesting.
May 01 17:30:48 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: I was assuming large resistors
May 01 17:31:55 <DocScrutinizer> ok, probably there's some silicon bug in twl4030. At least the version available while N900 was under development
May 01 17:32:18 <DocScrutinizer> it's the only reasonable explanation why Nokia decided to opt for 1707
May 01 17:32:24 <MohammadAG> ZogG_N900, yeah
May 01 17:34:19 <javispedro> http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/a60f1eb301ac86aa
May 01 17:34:40 <javispedro> so on the beagleboard echo host > ../mode works, and it's exercising --mostly-- the same code.
May 01 17:34:42 <opdf2> what is the a catch to android 2.2 and flash 10.1?
May 01 17:37:18 <javispedro> fantastic, instead of b_idle I'm now in UNDEFINED mode.
May 01 17:38:45 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: heh, that's at least some change of state at all :-D
May 01 17:38:57 <javispedro> yes but the root hub disappeared from lsusb :(
May 01 17:40:12 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: ./i2cset -y -m 0x07 2 0x6b 0x01 0x05
May 01 17:40:25 <javispedro> source for i2cset?
May 01 17:40:30 <javispedro> (or package..)
May 01 17:40:41 <DocScrutinizer> err, got it from ShadowJK
May 01 17:40:47 <MohammadAG> ZogG_N900, ?
May 01 17:40:51 <DocScrutinizer> bq
May 01 17:40:52 <javispedro> ah I see
May 01 17:40:57 <ShadowJK> i2cutils is the source package
May 01 17:41:02 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 01 17:41:10 <javispedro> UNDEFINED mode appears when you have a) no gadget modules b ) host or otg mode
May 01 17:41:45 <MohammadAG> ShadowJK, is it in devel?
May 01 17:41:55 <MohammadAG> (if not I'm bored, might pack it)
May 01 17:41:56 <ShadowJK> no
May 01 17:42:09 <ShadowJK> not that I know of atleast
May 01 17:42:15 * ShadowJK has -devel and -testing disabled
May 01 17:42:24 <MohammadAG> package coming up :D
May 01 17:42:34 <MohammadAG> lol http://sourceforge.net/projects/i2c-utils/files/ empty
May 01 17:42:44 <MohammadAG> ShadowJK, WHAT? :P
May 01 17:43:20 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: I hope not. And never will. That one is *really* dangerous and should appear in tools AT BEST
May 01 17:43:53 * ShadowJK nods
May 01 17:43:57 <gevaerts> Is there a way to stop pulseaudio?
May 01 17:43:59 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, hidden
May 01 17:44:04 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, is it that dangerous?
May 01 17:44:20 <javispedro> i'm pretty sure it can be dangerous
May 01 17:44:30 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: you can kill - not brick - your device
May 01 17:44:33 <javispedro> what would happen if I were to run that with a ) dumb charger b ) pc host ? :)
May 01 17:44:37 <MohammadAG> screw it then
May 01 17:44:44 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: by poking at the right power supply registers
May 01 17:45:12 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, kill as in can't be fixed?
May 01 17:45:26 <Khertan> kill as component burn
May 01 17:45:36 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 01 17:45:43 <MohammadAG> bummer
May 01 17:45:54 <MohammadAG> is there something more dangerous than -devel? :P
May 01 17:45:56 <SpeedEvil> applying 3V to a device with absolute maximum of 1.8 for example
May 01 17:48:04 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: nothing bad will happen
May 01 17:49:55 <Khertan> http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/03/galaxy-s-pro-keyboard.jpg
May 01 17:50:06 <Khertan> oups ... sorry wrong windows for the copy paste
May 01 17:50:08 <ZogG_N900> MohammadAG, hey sweety )
May 01 17:50:20 <ZogG_N900> have u managed to use n900 as modem?
May 01 17:51:18 <MohammadAG> lol wtf
May 01 17:51:28 <GeneralAntilles> Seriously
May 01 17:51:38 <GeneralAntilles> Why is it that everybody thinks the Council thread is for troubleshooting?
May 01 17:52:12 <ZogG_N900> hmmm
May 01 17:52:23 <Khertan> GeneralAntilles, because there are the council, and probably because people didn't understand it s role
May 01 17:52:36 <Khertan> GeneralAntilles, because they are the council, and probably because people didn't understand it s role
May 01 17:52:43 <GeneralAntilles> Khertan, except or the fact that there's at least one post on the last 4 pages explaining that it's not for troubleshooting.
May 01 17:52:45 <ZogG_N900> stuck with no internet at work with fresh ubuntu that can't play amtroska
May 01 17:52:47 <ZogG_N900> damn
May 01 17:53:24 <Khertan> GeneralAntilles, lol didn't you ever see user reading manual, licences, warning, previous posts, doing a search before posting ?
May 01 17:54:27 <javispedro> do we have isp1707 datasheet?
May 01 17:55:08 * javispedro grabs a generic ulpi-speaking usb phy datasheet and hopes it's similar enough
May 01 17:56:02 <Khertan> google ... first result : https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_isp1707
May 01 17:56:04 <Khertan> :)
May 01 17:56:06 <Khertan> funny
May 01 17:56:06 <Khertan> :)
May 01 17:56:11 <Khertan> but no datasheet
May 01 17:56:43 <ZogG_N900> trying to share over bluetooth and getting diskonnected
May 01 17:56:58 <MohammadAG> ZogG_N900, JoikuSpot only
May 01 17:57:25 <ZogG_N900> what is that?
May 01 17:57:48 <ZogG_N900> i need to get internet on laptop to get some package for ubuntu
May 01 17:58:44 <luke-jr> "However - this is a challenging rework job, even for those experienced with SMD soldering, and of course will void the warranty!"
May 01 17:58:45 <luke-jr> what?
May 01 17:59:03 <luke-jr> it's commenting on a trivial *software* mod
May 01 17:59:06 <ZogG_N900> getting mobilespot
May 01 17:59:27 <luke-jr> and in any case, maintainance cannot void a warranty unless it can be shown to do actual damage
May 01 17:59:49 <Khertan> ZogG, mobilespot depends on a custom made kernel ...
May 01 17:59:56 <Khertan> and didn't work for me anyway
May 01 18:00:03 <SpeedEvil> There is 'wifihotspot' in repos
May 01 18:00:09 <Ikarus> luke-jr: no, it's on the above section on connecting the ID pin to ground instead of 3.3 volt
May 01 18:00:21 <Ikarus> SpeedEvil: which doesn't do access point mode
May 01 18:00:24 <SpeedEvil> yes, it is.
May 01 18:00:27 <SpeedEvil> Ikarus: I know
May 01 18:00:39 <SpeedEvil> Ikarus: Look at the history, and you will find that was some time ago
May 01 18:01:04 <luke-jr> Ikarus: it should be put by it, then
May 01 18:01:17 <luke-jr> Ikarus: in any case, the rest implies it's irrelevant
May 01 18:01:30 <Ikarus> luke-jr: it's not certain if it's irrelevant or not
May 01 18:02:21 <SpeedEvil> yes - I need to fix the page - probably tonight
May 01 18:02:31 <SpeedEvil> much of the stuff needs rewritten in the face of events
May 01 18:04:53 <ZogG_N900> SpeedEvil, which repo
May 01 18:05:01 <ZogG_N900> didn't find it
May 01 18:05:28 <SpeedEvil> devel or testing
May 01 18:05:51 <ZogG_N900> damn
May 01 18:05:53 <SpeedEvil> 'mobile hotspot'
May 01 18:05:58 <ZogG_N900> extradev is down
May 01 18:06:00 <SpeedEvil> I have however not had this working
May 01 18:06:45 <ZogG_N900> SpeedEvil, it was said that it doesn't work with efault kernel
May 01 18:06:49 <ZogG_N900> only custom
May 01 18:07:03 <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure
May 01 18:07:11 <ZogG_N900> gansterN900
May 01 18:07:17 <SpeedEvil> oh - I missed that
May 01 18:07:28 <ZogG_N900> didn't work anyway
May 01 18:07:31 <ZogG_N900> tried it
May 01 18:08:21 <SpeedEvil> I wish it was simply possible to keep the wifi i/f up when bringing up 3g - and use ssh to proxy
May 01 18:08:50 <javispedro> so it seems it uses STS_HW_CONDITIONS register, STS_BUS_ID bit to check for ID level
May 01 18:08:54 <javispedro> (of gaia)
May 01 18:09:09 <javispedro> *STS_USB_ID
May 01 18:09:15 <MohammadAG> ZogG_N900, you need to flash a custom kernel
May 01 18:09:24 <MohammadAG> which is done ota
May 01 18:09:53 <Ikarus> hrm, anyone remember where those leaked schematics are ?
May 01 18:10:11 <MohammadAG> Ikarus, wiki
May 01 18:10:29 <MohammadAG> ~schematics
May 01 18:10:33 <MohammadAG> infobot, schematics is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic
May 01 18:10:34 <infobot> okay, MohammadAG
May 01 18:10:38 <MohammadAG> schematics is <-- that's just wrong XD
May 01 18:10:57 <ZogG_N900> ahhhh
May 01 18:11:17 <ZogG_N900> so any ubuntu users here?
May 01 18:11:45 <ZogG_N900> i know how to make it in gentoo
May 01 18:12:02 <luke-jr> MohammadAG: wait, that's on the official wiki???
May 01 18:12:09 <luke-jr> is it a leak or a publication?
May 01 18:12:13 <ZogG_N900> but where and how to get package manually to install it on laptop after
May 01 18:12:25 <ZogG_N900> need mkv support for mplayer
May 01 18:12:41 <MohammadAG> luke-jr, and? I'm hosting it on ucoz, they can take it down if they want
May 01 18:12:54 <MohammadAG> luke-jr, SpeedEvil added the entry
May 01 18:12:54 <javispedro> luke-jr: "documented intended for use by authorized Nokia service centers only"
May 01 18:13:10 <ZogG_N900> hahaha
May 01 18:13:34 <ZogG_N900> i host pr1.3 at my box anyone is interested? )
May 01 18:13:52 <luke-jr> javispedro: would I get in trouble for modifying it and having a custom one built?
May 01 18:14:09 <javispedro> luke-jr: go ahead and tell me :)
May 01 18:14:10 <SpeedEvil> as far as we know, the schematic was a leak.
May 01 18:14:20 <luke-jr> so maemo.org is officially linking leaks?
May 01 18:14:24 <javispedro> the schematic is also old, since it says the microusb has an id pin?
May 01 18:14:26 <SpeedEvil> I regrettably am not employed by nokia in any capacity
May 01 18:14:37 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: It's a wiki
May 01 18:14:49 <luke-jr> unmoderated?
May 01 18:14:51 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 01 18:14:55 <luke-jr> wow
May 01 18:15:02 <luke-jr> but Nokia runs it, no? ;)
May 01 18:15:05 <lpotter> regrettably?
May 01 18:15:12 * luke-jr ponders if there's a legal case to saying they published it...
May 01 18:15:18 <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure of the status of the wiki actually - and who runs it.
May 01 18:15:50 * luke-jr ponders if Fab@Home is capable of N900-type tech
May 01 18:16:11 <javispedro> luke-jr: if you're going to make an exact clone why don't buy one?
May 01 18:16:28 <luke-jr> javispedro: you missed the "modifying it"?
May 01 18:16:45 <javispedro> then I'd assume it's not that valuable
May 01 18:16:51 <luke-jr> ?
May 01 18:16:55 <javispedro> cause the beagle board, igep, etc. schematics are out there too
May 01 18:16:55 <SpeedEvil> Making your own n900 would cost at least $3000 or so.
May 01 18:17:09 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: even with Nokia's schematics?
May 01 18:17:11 <SpeedEvil> Assuming you can get the parts. And you - in many cases - can't
May 01 18:17:17 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: those will help yes
May 01 18:17:18 <luke-jr> and fab-on-demand?
May 01 18:17:30 <Macer> i keep US Governmenting my n900
May 01 18:17:38 <Macer> charge it for 10 minutes and expect 20 from it :)
May 01 18:17:42 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: but a 8 layer PCB of the size involved will cost perhaps $200 in ones.
May 01 18:18:11 <Macer> i think i just need to leave it there and let it charge until it turns green
May 01 18:18:17 <Macer> it lasted a very long time fully charged :)
May 01 18:18:19 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: And then you have to fit $200 or so components to it. And then you find there is a stupid error in the board layout - and it won't boot
May 01 18:18:39 <Khertan> SpeedEvil, size didn't matter when you put a larger screen :)
May 01 18:18:39 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: repeat a dozen or so times until you get it working.
May 01 18:18:40 <javispedro> Macer: definitely :)
May 01 18:18:51 <SpeedEvil> Khertan: ?
May 01 18:19:00 <Khertan> bigger screen :)
May 01 18:19:14 <SpeedEvil> Khertan: err - what?
May 01 18:19:21 <Macer> i was looking at the meego and mer projects. seems that mer is dead and moving over to the meego group
May 01 18:19:26 <Khertan> if you can made a clone ... why not improving it a bit :)
May 01 18:19:29 <MohammadAG> <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure of the status of the wiki actually - and who runs it.
May 01 18:19:31 <Macer> and meego isn't even anything realistic at all :)
May 01 18:19:38 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: I think I recall hearing of a CAD testing thing?
May 01 18:19:39 <MohammadAG> doesn't X_Fade run it?
May 01 18:19:47 <Macer> i just hope maemo 6 runs on my n900 when it comes out
May 01 18:19:47 <MohammadAG> altered - so as not to ping him
May 01 18:19:48 <Macer> haha
May 01 18:20:00 <Macer> i curse the day nokia abandoned my n810 :)
May 01 18:20:09 <MohammadAG> I hate MeeGo/Maemo 6
May 01 18:20:14 <MohammadAG> basically, I hate RPM
May 01 18:20:23 <Macer> MohammadAG: er. maemo 6 and meego are the same things?
May 01 18:20:29 <Macer> :) i thought maemo and meego were different
May 01 18:20:46 <Macer> i just hope nokia doesn't swap over to intel mobile processors for their phones
May 01 18:20:57 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: yes - there are automated PCB testers. This does't help as much as you might expect for several reasons. They rarely test at RF - tehre can be problems with high-speed signals. And the biggest problem is they test the PCB against the design - if the design is wrong - you're screwed.
May 01 18:20:58 <Macer> it will make me as sad as when apple left ppc cpus
May 01 18:21:04 <MohammadAG> Macer, I think Maemo 6 is the base for MeeGo
May 01 18:21:10 <Trizt> MohammadAG; you shouldn't install rpm with --nodeps
May 01 18:21:21 <Macer> MohammadAG: hrm. i don't know if that's a good or bad thing
May 01 18:21:29 <MohammadAG> Trizt, I've never used RPM, which is why I hate it
May 01 18:21:31 <Macer> either way if it runs on my n900 then i'll be happy
May 01 18:21:34 <Macer> as long as it doesn't suck :)
May 01 18:21:39 <Macer> maemo5 was a nice step up from maemo 4
May 01 18:21:42 <Khertan> Macer, it s not possible currently to use intel cpu as phone ... imagine a powerfull phone with 10 min of battery power
May 01 18:21:42 <Khertan> :)
May 01 18:21:46 <MohammadAG> it's a bad thing for me
May 01 18:22:02 <Macer> Khertan: i thought intel was working on a cpu for mobiles
May 01 18:22:03 <MohammadAG> Macer, maemo 5 didn't change the whole package system
May 01 18:22:07 <Khertan> </troll>
May 01 18:22:11 <Macer> heh
May 01 18:22:11 <Trizt> MohammadAG; okey, that can be a reason to hate it, wait until you used it, you will see it's benefits
May 01 18:22:32 <Macer> MohammadAG: heh. why? is meego going to use rpms or something? :)
May 01 18:22:32 <SpeedEvil> I have a mobile device with an intel processor that gets 20h battery life on 4AA cells.
May 01 18:22:36 <Khertan> Trizt, hum use it on moblin on my netbook ... see any benifits
May 01 18:22:37 <MohammadAG> Trizt, I prefer Debian
May 01 18:22:44 <Macer> SpeedEvil: which one?
May 01 18:22:47 <SpeedEvil> Of course - it is a 386ex - and it's a Garmin GPS-12
May 01 18:22:54 <MohammadAG> therefore, I'll pass
May 01 18:22:54 <Macer> haha
May 01 18:22:54 <Khertan> :)
May 01 18:22:58 <MohammadAG> Macer, err, yes
May 01 18:23:07 <Macer> ex? :)
May 01 18:23:21 <Trizt> MohammadAG; I prefer portage but I don't except to see that, so I have to settle with deb o rpm
May 01 18:23:32 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: I mean emualting the CAD before fabbing it
May 01 18:23:32 <Macer> MohammadAG: seriously? i was joking
May 01 18:23:33 <Macer> heh
May 01 18:23:43 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: That doesn't help.
May 01 18:23:46 <Khertan> http://n8makemyapp.com/ <<--- Sections Better World <--- suggestion 6 :)
May 01 18:24:01 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: you can't meaningfully simulate complex circuits in their entirety.
May 01 18:24:02 <MohammadAG> Macer, it's switching to RPM
May 01 18:24:09 <MohammadAG> and maybe webkit for the browser
May 01 18:24:12 <Macer> MohammadAG: meh. as long as it works
May 01 18:24:15 <Macer> :)
May 01 18:24:24 <MohammadAG> that's what you say
May 01 18:24:25 <Macer> i might as well consider my n810 dead tho
May 01 18:24:33 <Macer> mer is dead i believe
May 01 18:24:38 <Macer> there's always gentoo but that sucks
May 01 18:24:46 <Macer> i might just run debian on it and use it as a shell server
May 01 18:24:49 <Macer> :)
May 01 18:24:52 <Khertan> my n810 as start is new carrier as a powerfull hifi stations :)
May 01 18:24:54 * MohammadAG pings Stskeeps and points 3 lines up
May 01 18:25:08 <Macer> MohammadAG: heh
May 01 18:25:08 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: it's easy to ensure the PCB matches the design. Working out that the design is sane is _hard_. There are very few mixed-mode simulators, and none that can - say - see if your new system will boot by simulating the circuit.
May 01 18:25:10 <luke-jr> MohammadAG: Mer is dead. MeeGo killed it.
May 01 18:25:11 <MohammadAG> Macer, mer isn't dead
May 01 18:25:15 <MohammadAG> #mer
May 01 18:25:19 <Macer> MohammadAG: that's not what i heard in #mer
May 01 18:25:29 <Macer> mer is stale until they decide on how to  handle the meego announcement
May 01 18:25:32 <MohammadAG> luke-jr, how?
May 01 18:25:40 <MohammadAG> Macer, I never went there :P
May 01 18:25:43 <luke-jr> MohammadAG: MeeGo purports to do everything Mer wanted to
May 01 18:26:02 <Macer> MohammadAG: so mer is most likely going to jump onto the meego bandwagon :)
May 01 18:26:20 <Macer> meego does have a nicer looking web site than mer tho so that's a plus
May 01 18:26:22 <Macer> heh
May 01 18:26:29 <MohammadAG> "Just to let you know their is a possibility that Flash 10.1 is coming to Maemo 5 in June. This is not a rumour or gossip it was officially mentioned by Kevin Lynch, Adobe's chief technology officer...while he he was responding to the latest nonsense from Steve Jobs. "
May 01 18:26:46 <luke-jr> boo
May 01 18:26:47 <MohammadAG> I'll stick to M5
May 01 18:27:09 <luke-jr> of all the screwups Apple did with the iPhone, Flash-free is one of their best moves
May 01 18:28:16 <Khertan> luke-jr, by forcing video plateform to use a format with patent ?
May 01 18:28:25 <Khertan> not sure it was the best move
May 01 18:28:42 <javispedro> then sue theora!
May 01 18:28:58 <luke-jr> Khertan: Flash is both patented *and* copyrighted
May 01 18:29:05 <Khertan> luke-jr, yep
May 01 18:29:15 <luke-jr> it's the worst of all options
May 01 18:29:17 <Macer> MohammadAG: haha
May 01 18:29:26 <Macer> didn't he say flash wasn't good enough for an iphone or something?
May 01 18:29:27 <Macer> :)
May 01 18:29:34 <Khertan> luke-jr, but one step forward ... one step behind
May 01 18:29:49 <Khertan> luke-jr, but one step forward ... one step backward
May 01 18:29:50 <Khertan> :)
May 01 18:29:50 <Macer> i think the android people are even more funny. like the android market comments for every single video player are like ... "y doesn't it play flash videos???"
May 01 18:29:53 <SpeedEvil> Flash was a few moments ago eating 190% of my CPU
May 01 18:29:53 <Macer> hahaha
May 01 18:30:04 <Trizt> Macer; wasn't it that the iPhone wasn't good enough to run flash ;)
May 01 18:30:29 <Macer> SpeedEvil: yeah.. flash does suck but still... too many web sites use it
May 01 18:30:31 <opdf2> anyone syncing their n900 with google services? working well?
May 01 18:30:42 <Khertan> opdf2, not at all
May 01 18:30:49 <Macer> you can sync with google services? and here i was syncing with skype
May 01 18:30:55 <Macer> :)
May 01 18:31:08 <Khertan> opdf2, sync doesn't work well ... doesn't work, for calendar, contacts
May 01 18:31:10 <Macer> i was happy the phone was able to yank all  my skype contacts.. that was awesome
May 01 18:31:12 <opdf2> Khertan:  oh really, i was gonna give it a shot
May 01 18:31:28 <javispedro> luke-jr: the fsf has a "copyleft" implementation which they seem to think as free of patents: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
May 01 18:31:35 <Khertan> and mfe work with gmail except sending email
May 01 18:31:35 <Khertan> :)
May 01 18:31:39 <shamus> flash is evil at times
May 01 18:31:51 <ZogG_N900> i did it
May 01 18:32:10 <ZogG_N900> it was problem in mplayer config afterall
May 01 18:32:11 <shamus> but it;s the lesse of the eviles when compaired with silverlight ugh
May 01 18:32:22 <Khertan> javispedro, did you try it ? as last time it wasn't working really
May 01 18:32:25 <ZogG_N900> gnight for everyone for now
May 01 18:32:29 <luke-jr> javispedro: it still sucks :)
May 01 18:33:18 * javispedro thinks all those stupid flash vs whatever discussions are bollocks since we're usually just moving the blame from one group to another project
May 01 18:33:29 <Macer> shamus: yeah. silverlight sucks
May 01 18:33:41 <shamus> wonder how meny more years we can squese out of the n8x0
May 01 18:33:42 <Khertan> javispedro,  :)
May 01 18:33:47 <Macer> what do they call the non windows alternative?
May 01 18:33:50 <Macer> moonlight or something?
May 01 18:34:35 <Trizt> moonlight from novell
May 01 18:34:47 <shamus> html5 is very powerfull but the question is is the n900/n800/n810 up to it
May 01 18:35:39 <Trizt> something that feels really wrong is that HTC pays M$ license fees for each android phone they sell
May 01 18:36:38 <opdf2> Khertan:  how bout using NuevaSync?
May 01 18:37:02 <Macer> hm. chicago has wimax now
May 01 18:37:07 <Macer> and i have a normal n810
May 01 18:37:08 <Macer> go figure
May 01 18:37:27 <Macer> i wouldn't have mind using it over wimax.. although it probably wouldn't do much nowadays
May 01 18:37:32 <Macer> with its h263 video :)
May 01 18:38:51 <shamus> yah everting is goign hd these days realuy puttign the hammer to the older underpowred devices
May 01 18:47:16 <FIQ> is it just me or does busybox not use any colors except normal text and background, at all?
May 01 18:47:35 <FIQ> for example, ls doesn't have any colors
May 01 18:48:03 <FIQ> (--color=always did nothing, it complained about wrong syntax)
May 01 18:48:20 <RST38h> mc runs in color
May 01 18:48:23 <sECuRE> yep, that’s due to busybox
May 01 18:49:41 <MohammadAG> coreutils ftw
May 01 18:56:33 <Khertan> opdf2, don't know never use ... didn't trust them
May 01 19:12:06 <FIQ> hm
May 01 19:12:11 <FIQ> usermod doesn't exists for Maemo?
May 01 19:12:27 <FIQ> i try to change default shell
May 01 19:15:08 <satmd> vipw?
May 01 19:15:31 <satmd> or directly - carefully - edit /etc/passwd
May 01 19:20:02 <lardman|home> hey chaps
May 01 19:22:12 <RST38h> ehlo lardman
May 01 19:24:50 <w00t_> satmd: or chsh :P
May 01 19:26:55 <b-man> hmm, ubuntu seems to hang while booting on my N900 while in R&D mode, at least it doesn't reboot :P
May 01 19:30:12 <Nils^_> hey people. I want to download the ubuntu image here with wget but the php download script is strange and does not want wget do download it. Any mirrors known?
May 01 19:30:15 <Nils^_> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php
May 01 19:30:35 <lcuk> who added the pr1.2 askers will get kicked message to the title?
May 01 19:30:48 <lcuk> hi lardman|home
May 01 19:32:39 <MohammadAG> lcuk, someone who hates overclocking, depply
May 01 19:32:43 <MohammadAG> deeply*
May 01 19:33:43 <lcuk> whats a decent drinking game to play?
May 01 19:35:05 <b-man> lcuk: i think DocScrutinizer added that bit to the channel title xD
May 01 19:35:31 <lcuk> we should give pr1.2 to everyone who helps code up and fix bugs
May 01 19:36:06 <lcuk> or changes documentation or does some positive community stuff :D
May 01 19:36:18 <lardman|home> hi RST38h, lcuk
May 01 19:36:22 * derf codes up some bugs for lcuk.
May 01 19:36:24 <lcuk> hey lardman|home
May 01 19:36:24 <lardman|home> sorry for the delay, was form-filling
May 01 19:36:26 <lardman|home> fun!
May 01 19:36:33 <b-man> derf: lol
May 01 19:36:34 <lcuk> thats ok, i was just thinking of you
May 01 19:36:45 <lcuk> im just gonna watch doctor who and i need a drinking game to go along with it
May 01 19:36:47 <lardman|home> hey derf
May 01 19:36:53 * javispedro is in the "how could this ever work" stage
May 01 19:36:58 <derf> Hi lardman|home.
May 01 19:37:08 <lcuk> derf, i'd rather you tried to cure something thats reasonable and open for you to fix!
May 01 19:37:18 <javispedro> why are they using the isp1704 with the twl4030 driver? :P
May 01 19:37:19 <lcuk> adding new bugs is something for pr1.3 or something :p
May 01 19:37:46 <lardman|home> I can safely say that Ovi app mgr on Symbian is worse than what we have, so be thankful
May 01 19:37:52 <derf> Well, if I wrote code right now, I would just be adding bugs.
May 01 19:38:11 <derf> I've been up 33 hours straight, doing strenuous physical things.
May 01 19:38:13 * b-man !!!HATES!!! the hardware watchdog on the N900
May 01 19:38:53 * lardman|home hates Britain's got talent
May 01 19:39:00 <lardman|home> but each to their own ;)
May 01 19:39:13 <lardman|home> and don't tell my wife
May 01 19:40:38 <lcuk> lol
May 01 19:40:42 <b-man> i wasted 4 hours today trying to get Ubuntu working on my N900 - if it wasn't for the watchdog i'd have a working setup in 15 minutes :(
May 01 19:40:49 <lcuk> b-man, the watchdog is there for your comfort and enjoyment
May 01 19:41:18 <b-man> no, it's there for my suffering and torture xD
May 01 19:41:34 <derf> Those are the same thing.
May 01 19:42:08 * lcuk cracks open a beer
May 01 19:42:12 <lcuk> who wants one
May 01 19:42:22 <lardman|home> very OT but I was shocked to see that 24 is still ~£50 in store for series one, I should have watched it when it was on TV
May 01 19:42:27 * b-man grabs a root beer
May 01 19:42:37 <lardman|home> lcuk: got wine on the go, best to not mix ;)
May 01 19:42:53 <lcuk> good idea
May 01 19:44:25 <b-man> i wonder...
May 01 19:44:32 <b-man> ~beer
May 01 19:44:33 * infobot has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer))
May 01 19:44:38 <b-man> LOL
May 01 19:44:47 <lardman|home> lol
May 01 19:45:13 <b-man> i guess infobot doesn't like beer xD
May 01 19:45:28 <MohammadAG> <lcuk> we should give pr1.2 to everyone who helps code up and fix bugs
May 01 19:45:33 <MohammadAG> <lcuk> or changes documentation or does some positive community stuff :D
May 01 19:45:37 * MohammadAG bans everyone on tmo
May 01 19:45:38 <MohammadAG> can I have 1.2 now?
May 01 19:45:48 * b-man gives you 2.1
May 01 19:45:54 <b-man> *1.2
May 01 19:46:00 <lardman|home> speaking of which, what's going on with pr1.2, I thought it was pretty much ready a couple of months ago?
May 01 19:46:06 * MohammadAG flashes
May 01 19:46:17 * lardman|home hides behind the Mac
May 01 19:46:24 <MohammadAG> lardman|home, topic :)
May 01 19:46:31 <b-man> rofl
May 01 19:46:32 * MohammadAG slices through the apple
May 01 19:46:46 <lardman|home> MohammadAG: I was thinking of the garment
May 01 19:46:55 * lardman|home prepares to be kicked ;)
May 01 19:47:15 * MohammadAG stretches his leg
May 01 19:47:54 * b-man tries another attempt at getting ubuntu working
May 01 19:48:32 <MohammadAG> b-man, it works well
May 01 19:48:37 <MohammadAG> when you get out all the bugs
May 01 19:48:46 <MohammadAG> xchat is crap on it
May 01 19:49:00 <b-man> haha
May 01 19:49:44 <MohammadAG> b-man, wtf
May 01 19:49:46 <b-man> if only Stskeeps was here - he is good at getting the watchdog working
May 01 19:49:54 <MohammadAG> I got a terminal window
May 01 19:49:54 <MohammadAG> that's not 1.2
May 01 19:50:01 <b-man> lol
May 01 19:50:02 <lcuk> lardman|home, qgil said, code complete, solidifcation testing
May 01 19:50:03 * MohammadAG shoots the dog
May 01 19:50:48 <b-man> MohammadAG: :D
May 01 19:51:26 <lardman|home> lcuk: ok, fair enough
May 01 19:51:36 * MohammadAG hits b-man with an iPad
May 01 19:51:48 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm, hrw needs to be offered a cloak.
May 01 19:51:59 <GeneralAntilles> Can somebody poke him about that if they see him online?
May 01 19:52:02 <lardman|home> hey GeneralAntilles
May 01 19:52:09 <GeneralAntilles> Yo, lardman|home.
May 01 19:52:10 * b-man sicks the watchdog on MohammadAG
May 01 19:52:42 * lardman|home goes for more vino
May 01 19:53:07 <FIQ> why doesn't bash read the .bashrc file?
May 01 19:53:32 <b-man> where is it located and what user are you running it as?
May 01 19:53:44 <FIQ> i run as /home/user
May 01 19:53:49 <FIQ> it's located in ~/.bashrc
May 01 19:54:02 <FIQ> er
May 01 19:54:12 <FIQ> s/\/home\/user/user/
May 01 19:54:41 <b-man> hmm
May 01 19:54:49 <b-man> are you root?
May 01 19:54:56 <FIQ> not per default
May 01 19:55:28 <b-man> that's odd
May 01 19:56:07 <b-man> does /etc/bash_profile exist?
May 01 19:56:14 <FIQ> no
May 01 19:56:42 <Shapeshifter> FIQ: you have to put stuff in .profile
May 01 19:56:57 <Shapeshifter> FIQ: or are you really talking about bash then busybox/ash rather?
May 01 19:57:06 <FIQ> yeah, bash
May 01 19:57:11 <FIQ> not busybox/sh
May 01 20:00:13 <wazd> hello people
May 01 20:00:14 * b-man gives in and re-debootstraps ubuntu
May 01 20:00:22 <b-man> hey wazd
May 01 20:00:39 <wazd> b-man: wow! Heya! Long time no see :)
May 01 20:00:44 <dAnIeLLL> hello guys, some brazilian here?
May 01 20:00:47 <wazd> b-man: how are things? :)
May 01 20:01:29 <b-man> wazd: things are ok - trying to get ubuntu on my N900 :)
May 01 20:01:46 <wazd> b-man: you're sick as always :P
May 01 20:02:35 <b-man> wazd: i like a challenge :)
May 01 20:02:38 <crazyhorss> why Ubuntu?
May 01 20:02:59 <SpeedEvil> I want slackware
May 01 20:03:07 <crazyhorss> hehe
May 01 20:03:27 <b-man> wazd: btw, i'm on every day - i'm just not active that much xD
May 01 20:03:29 <wazd> b-man: awesome :)
May 01 20:04:05 <wazd> b-man: I'm playing with n900 too, installing everything in sight :D
May 01 20:05:08 <b-man> wazd: did you try chromium? :)
May 01 20:05:28 <wazd> b-man: not yet, I'm on letter "B" now :D
May 01 20:06:17 <b-man> wazd: letter "B"?
May 01 20:06:30 <wazd> b-man: in application manager :)
May 01 20:06:38 <b-man> oh lol
May 01 20:06:57 <wazd> b-man: and I think that microb is damn awesome anyway :)
May 01 20:07:29 <b-man> indeed - one of the best mobile browsers out there :)
May 01 20:11:54 <mord> b-man: ubuntu on n900?
May 01 20:12:01 <b-man> yup
May 01 20:12:09 <mord> b-man: done, see https://mdeb.nomovok.info/trac/wiki/N900DevelopmentImage ;)
May 01 20:12:20 <melfar> anybody published an app in ovi store?  how hard is it, is there an approval process?  it's a free app
May 01 20:13:13 <wazd> melfar: it's impossible :D
May 01 20:13:34 <wazd> oh, btw, am I the only that has ovi authorisation shutdown?
May 01 20:13:44 <b-man> mord: i can't believe i wasted 4 hours when i could have just looked at that wiki *headdesks*
May 01 20:13:44 <melfar> I saw somebody else was able to :D
May 01 20:14:39 <melfar> so until now it's only extras repo for the rest of us?
May 01 20:14:50 <melfar> until=for
May 01 20:15:08 <wazd> melfar: kinda
May 01 20:15:13 <mord> b-man: i think i experienced sth like that when toying with n810 :)
May 01 20:15:26 <wazd> b-man: installing chromium right now
May 01 20:15:38 <b-man> wazd: ;)
May 01 20:16:07 <wazd> media player kinda suck btw
May 01 20:16:22 <wazd> I thought it has portrait mode too as a phone
May 01 20:16:36 <b-man> yeah
May 01 20:16:55 <wazd> cause it's really tricky to hold $1k device on a go in landscape mode to switch the song
May 01 20:17:44 <wazd> If anyone can help me with making an awesome media player - you're welocme :)
May 01 20:17:52 <wazd> my UI - your code :)
May 01 20:18:09 <b-man> i kinda wish they designed the plastic strip that goes along the keyboard a bit better - it wants to spring up all the time :(
May 01 20:19:34 <wazd> chromium crashed :)
May 01 20:19:48 <b-man> lol
May 01 20:19:55 <wazd> let's try again)
May 01 20:20:14 <b-man> what did you try loading? - it didn't crash for me xDD
May 01 20:20:42 <wazd> b-man: I just opened it for the first damn time)
May 01 20:20:42 <b-man> perhaps it tryed going into it's setup wizard
May 01 20:20:59 <wazd> maybe
May 01 20:21:26 <wazd> ok, it's chrome on a phone. Now that's jawdroping :D
May 01 20:21:30 <wazd> seriously :)
May 01 20:21:33 <FIQ> i've no problems with chromium
May 01 20:21:55 <b-man> sometimes it will ask you if you want it as the default browser - that usually does it
May 01 20:22:36 <b-man> so i disabled that prompt :)
May 01 20:22:58 <b-man> and now i use it to view html5 content xD
May 01 20:28:18 <wazd> can't reach scrollbars :D
May 01 20:28:59 <melfar> by the way, I tried the 800 mhz kernel the other day and didn't spot any difference in performance actually. I thought it would be a more drammatic change
May 01 20:29:24 <wazd> melfar: both ways n900 is blazingly fast? :)
May 01 20:29:53 <melfar> I wouldn't go as far as that :D
May 01 20:30:13 <wazd> b-man: btw, maybe you know how t use greasemonkey for microb? :)
May 01 20:31:13 <wazd> hoho
May 01 20:31:24 <b-man> wazd: nope, haven't used it
May 01 20:31:33 <wazd> actual sensing area is a bit larger than the screen itself :)
May 01 20:34:08 <opdf2> Anyone try Erminig-NG? Is it working well?
May 01 20:36:30 <b-man> mord: they seem to be using a lot of ugly hacks on that wiki :(
May 01 20:36:55 <b-man> such as deleting /sbin/init and replacing it with a bash script
May 01 20:45:19 <mord> b-man: yea well that's just "this is how i first got it to work" i think. i think there's work based on that around somewhere that's a bit more sophisticated, i'll need to ask locusf about that
May 01 20:52:37 * mece looks around...
May 01 20:52:41 <mece> Echo!
May 01 20:52:58 <mece> ...echo ...cho ...ho... o... ...
May 01 20:53:19 <dAnIeLLL> oO
May 01 21:03:44 <b-man> ~echo
May 01 21:03:46 <infobot> somebody said echo was an issue which can be best fixed using this link: http://astbook.asteriskdocs.org/en/2nd_Edition/asterisk-book-html-chunk/asterisk-CHP-8-SECT-5.html, or fixed with fxotune: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+fxotune, or best fixed by troubleshooting your pci bus: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+PCI+bus+Troubleshooting
May 01 21:03:56 <b-man> lol
May 01 21:14:32 <mece> what's the name of the default maemo Qt style?
May 01 21:15:21 <MohammadAG> Maemo? Qt style?
May 01 21:17:08 <mece> well yeah. when make something qt in maemo, it uses a default style, unless you tell it to use something. I was wondering what that style is called.
May 01 21:21:34 <Mace_N900> hm. is there a changdelog for 1.2? i just wanted to see something.. or do you just look it up at bugzilla?
May 01 21:21:46 <jatt> how do i delete video bookmarks?
May 01 21:27:04 <mece> ah it's called "QMaemo5Style" in case you wanted to know.
May 01 21:27:35 <luke-jr> lol
May 01 21:28:02 <Dima202> Has anyone here tried chess on the n900? I am having difficulty winning medium setting. I've been at it for 3 days now
May 01 21:28:14 <MohammadAG> mece, oh, sorry didn't see that, was going to suggest you ask noobmonk3y but he's not here
May 01 21:29:16 <luke-jr> Dima202: you're skilled?
May 01 21:29:36 <LoCusF> mord: w00t
May 01 21:29:38 <mece> the trouble is that fucker won't listen to style sheets.. by that fcker I mean QListView. It's REALLY annoying. I don't feel like creating a custom style just to change the background of a list view.
May 01 21:30:52 <DocScrutinizer> Dima202: rumour has it maemo-chess is way too clever even at lowest setting. Allegedly due to request of some Nokia product manager who thought it was not at par with his exceptional chess skills :-P
May 01 21:31:33 <b-man> rofl
May 01 21:31:56 <MohammadAG> lol
May 01 21:32:07 <b-man> <Nokia Manager> this game is wayyy to easy for my mad skills
May 01 21:32:48 <MohammadAG> <Some Nokia Tester> yo devs, this game's a bit hard, no one will be able to finish it
May 01 21:33:07 <MohammadAG> (think of a reply, I'm bored :P)
May 01 21:33:40 <kpel> MohammadAG: the developers' reply doesn't matter. it goes straight to /dev/null
May 01 21:34:02 <MohammadAG> LOL was gonna say that
May 01 21:34:12 <MohammadAG> well not /dev/null, but same concept :P
May 01 21:34:18 <b-man> <Nokia Manager> Meh, i'll just ignore the dev's request and slap a fixed in harmatten lable on it
May 01 21:35:32 <MohammadAG> <Superior Nokia Manager> Screw Harmattan *mv bug /dev/null*
May 01 21:35:39 <Dima202> luke-jr, im a casual player not professional
May 01 21:35:58 <jacekowski> what about 1.2?
May 01 21:36:23 <Dima202> DocScrutinizer, that might actually explain it then.
May 01 21:37:04 <jacekowski> Dima202: i win easily on medium
May 01 21:37:28 <luke-jr> Dima202: so play easy
May 01 21:38:13 <luke-jr> IMO, "Medium" should be for a novice professional :P
May 01 21:38:22 <luke-jr> so the advanced pros can play "Hard"
May 01 21:40:10 <Dima202> yeah easy is tricky but winning is a possibitly medium is no atm
May 01 21:43:59 <mece> damn this is frustrating!!
May 01 21:44:20 <kpel> uninstall it and win the final battle :)
May 01 21:45:58 <DocScrutinizer> Dima202: my parser segfaulted with a megaton detonation on trying to dissect that sequence of lexems
May 01 21:51:33 <Dima202> DocScrutinizer, lay of the chronic for a few days :)
May 01 21:52:59 * DocScrutinizer wonders if Dima202 might be a Vogon, composing a new poem
May 01 21:54:18 * Dima202 My poetry is good. You must listen and like it
May 01 21:56:03 <Dima202> I think everyone experiences these Vogon rhymes :(
May 01 22:02:10 <Dima202> I bought a book to improve my game http://www.amazon.com/Tricky-Chess-Tactics-Fred-Wilson/dp/1580420761/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272751255&sr=8-1
May 01 22:09:47 <lardman|refuelin> night all!
May 01 22:24:49 <MohammadAG> any idea where built in icons go?
May 01 22:25:02 <MohammadAG> general_call_diverted
May 01 22:51:53 <mece> OMG I'm making progress!
May 01 22:53:11 <BCMM> mece: on what?
May 01 22:53:31 <mece> BCMM, changeing the background color of QListWidget.
May 01 22:53:41 <mece> Now I can move on to other things.
May 01 22:53:46 <mece> I hate it when I get stuck.
May 01 22:54:32 <MohammadAG> mece, you'll unstuck yourself, don't worry
May 01 22:54:39 <mece> I did already.
May 01 22:57:51 <mece> hmm what's the simplest way of displaying an image?
May 01 22:58:03 <mece> in qt.
May 01 22:59:01 <mece> QImage :)
May 01 22:59:03 <mece> duh
May 02 00:01:14 <Macer> sure wish my su8w had better support in maemo5
May 02 00:01:31 <Macer> but the thing was meant for an N95 so i can't really be too angry about it
May 02 00:01:43 <Macer> and plus.. bt keyboards have to be enabled manually which is a pain all on its own :)
May 02 00:06:51 <kthomas_vh> way to install apps to memory card (n810)?
May 02 00:08:57 <Macer> kthomas_vh: usually helps to boot from the memory card
May 02 00:09:05 <Macer> there are instructions all over the interwebs
May 02 00:09:27 <Macer> hm
May 02 00:09:38 <Macer> what i need to find out is how do i increase this rootfs size
May 02 00:09:45 <Macer> what is it  on the n900.. like 2GB? :)
May 02 00:09:52 <Macer> default should have been 4
May 02 00:09:52 <Macer> heh
May 02 00:10:54 <Macer> maybe i can shove a 16GB SD in there and mount it in some dir that will give me some more space
May 02 00:10:57 <Macer> heh
May 02 00:11:33 <Macer> i want to try out easy debian
May 02 00:11:44 <Macer> i hope it keeps its image on the larger portion
May 02 00:12:16 <Macer> let me install it
May 02 00:12:18 <Macer> sounds neet
May 02 00:12:25 <Macer> if it has cups it will be perfect heh
May 02 00:14:29 <kthomas_vh> Macer, thanks
May 02 00:14:31 <Macer> i guess it does :) let me shove a 16GB SD into it
May 02 00:15:17 <Macer> the placement of the sd slot is kind of odd to me
May 02 00:22:52 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
May 02 00:35:24 <opdf2> is there a way to do a fat32 chkdsk on n900?
May 02 00:35:39 <opdf2> without a computer
May 02 00:35:52 <MohammadAG_> opdf2, just fsck /dev/mmcblk0p1 (emmc)
May 02 00:36:06 <MohammadAG_> well, MyDocs to be more precise
May 02 00:36:42 <opdf2> MohammadAG_:  is it faster if i just connect a usb cable and do a chkdsk?
May 02 00:36:51 <Macer> well.. looks like i don't need an SD in the G1 for it to work. although the apps beign on the SD made it look ugly. i was going to sell it on ebay or something
May 02 00:36:51 <opdf2> or is that command faster?
May 02 00:36:57 <Macer> then again i might keep it as a backup phone or something
May 02 00:37:09 <MohammadAG_> opdf2, it doesn't take a lot of time, prolly less than a min
May 02 00:37:11 <Macer> i have to format the SD on a windows box or something
May 02 00:37:12 <MohammadAG_> or two mins
May 02 00:37:21 <opdf2> MohammadAG_:  okay cool
May 02 00:37:30 <MohammadAG_> opdf2, you need to be root btw
May 02 00:37:54 <opdf2> okay
May 02 00:38:20 <MohammadAG_> is haze dead or something
May 02 00:39:22 <MohammadAG_> ZogG_N900, aren't you from IL?
May 02 00:40:20 <ZogG_N900> MohammadAG, i am
May 02 00:40:23 <ZogG_N900> why?
May 02 00:41:02 <ZogG_N900> so everyone hates Ari or what his name is
May 02 00:41:09 <ZogG_N900> they act like children
May 02 00:41:22 <ZogG_N900> though don't understand nokia too )
May 02 00:41:38 <MohammadAG_> ZogG_N900, oh nothing, it's 3:41 AM in the mornin and I'm wondering...
May 02 00:41:40 <MohammadAG_> :p
May 02 00:41:57 <ZogG_N900> MohammadAG, night shift. security (
May 02 00:42:06 <MohammadAG_> oh
May 02 00:42:12 <MohammadAG_> i'm just awake lol
May 02 00:42:24 <ZogG_N900> haha good life
May 02 00:42:35 <ZogG_N900> no work/study?
May 02 00:42:47 <Macer> ah crapper
May 02 00:42:55 <Macer> this thing is jacked up without the SD in it :) guess i'll have to copy the SD over
May 02 00:43:02 <MohammadAG_> ZogG_N900, no school, for a day :P
May 02 00:43:15 <opdf2> does fsck /dev/mmcblk0p1 fix errors?
May 02 00:43:18 <ZogG_N900> MohammadAG, how old r u?
May 02 00:43:25 <MohammadAG_> 16 :)
May 02 00:43:33 <ZogG_N900> MohammadAG, srsly?
May 02 00:43:35 <MohammadAG_> opdf2, yes, umount the partition first
May 02 00:43:39 <MohammadAG_> yeah, why?
May 02 00:43:52 <MohammadAG_> opdf2, umount /dev/mmcblk0p1
May 02 00:44:04 <ZogG_N900> your english is great
May 02 00:44:08 <MohammadAG_> if that doesn't work use -l (might cause damage to data)
May 02 00:44:10 <MohammadAG_> lol
May 02 00:44:19 <opdf2> okay
May 02 00:45:05 <opdf2> if fsck didnt say anything about errors, its okay correct? i should only unmount if it did find errors
May 02 00:45:06 <MohammadAG_> opdf2, after umounting fsck.vfat -a /dev/mmcblk0p1 then remount it (mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs)
May 02 00:45:16 <ZogG_N900> zits in the ear are pain in ass
May 02 00:45:30 <MohammadAG_> opdf2, you really shouldn't fsck while it's mounted :)
May 02 00:45:34 <MohammadAG_> lol
May 02 00:45:41 <ZogG_N900> haha
May 02 00:45:42 <opdf2> oops
May 02 00:45:56 <ZogG_N900> what r u trying to do?
May 02 00:46:28 <opdf2> wanted to check for errors on the fat32 partition
May 02 00:46:32 <MohammadAG_> fsck usually fvcks the filesystem while mounted :)
May 02 00:46:46 <MohammadAG_> doesn't it warn before doing anything
May 02 00:47:09 <ZogG_N900> can u check it on windows btw?
May 02 00:47:21 <ZogG_N900> fat32 is windows system anyway
May 02 00:47:36 <MohammadAG_> WARNING!!!  Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause SEVERE filesystem damage.
May 02 00:47:38 <opdf2> ZogG_N900:  yeah i could
May 02 00:47:39 <MohammadAG_> yeah, it does
May 02 00:47:44 * ZogG_N900 is think to merge to ext2 or something simuliar
May 02 00:47:54 <jlebar> How can I peg the n900's clock to 600mhz?
May 02 00:47:54 <MohammadAG_> ext3 on my SD card
May 02 00:47:59 <ZogG_N900> thinking*
May 02 00:48:00 <MohammadAG_> peg?
May 02 00:48:15 <jlebar> Keep it from being scaled down?
May 02 00:48:17 <ZogG_N900> ext3 is stupid imho
May 02 00:48:32 <ZogG_N900> almost same only kills it faster
May 02 00:48:39 <MohammadAG_> jlebar, oh you mean fry the N900
May 02 00:49:06 <ZogG_N900> jlaire, give it more fuel? )
May 02 00:49:30 <jlebar> MohammadAG_, Well...
May 02 00:49:33 <MohammadAG_> ZogG_N900, locking it @ 600 isn't recommended, at all!
May 02 00:50:03 <jlebar> MohammadAG_, I'm running a benchmark which is behaving very strangely.  I'd like to see if that's because of frequency scaling.
May 02 00:50:08 <ZogG_N900> don't really care as not gonna overclock it
May 02 00:50:24 <MohammadAG_> ZogG_N900, doesn't matter, 600 is default
May 02 00:50:27 <jlebar> Honestly, if I could peg it to 300mhz, that would be just as good.  :)
May 02 00:50:31 <MohammadAG_> jlebar, it shouldn't matter
May 02 00:50:35 <jlebar> Why not?
May 02 00:50:42 <MohammadAG_> no idea though :(
May 02 00:50:59 <MohammadAG_> you might be able to set minimum using t-tan's kernel
May 02 00:51:08 <MohammadAG_> jlebar, that was about the scaling bit :)
May 02 00:51:30 <jlebar> I see.  :)
May 02 00:51:43 <jlebar> Or even...can I read the current frequency from within a program?
May 02 00:52:03 <Macer> ugh
May 02 00:52:05 <MohammadAG_> yeah
May 02 00:52:08 <ZogG_N900> conky
May 02 00:52:08 <Macer> i have to wipe all this android crap off this thing :)
May 02 00:52:10 <MohammadAG_> jlebar, healthcheck
May 02 00:52:11 <ZogG_N900> widgets
May 02 00:52:12 <MohammadAG_> or that
May 02 00:52:28 <jlebar> MohammadAG_, that exports an API that I can get to from C?
May 02 00:52:29 <MohammadAG_> Macer, just put it in the N900 and format it
May 02 00:52:40 <MohammadAG_> jlebar, oh, you want C stuff
May 02 00:52:44 <ZogG_N900> Macer, have u tried it on n900?
May 02 00:52:47 <Macer> MohammadAG_: i need to save it to get my G1 in a workable state after i get some cheap 4G SD for it
May 02 00:52:49 <MohammadAG_> jlebar, you can just read a file
May 02 00:52:57 <Macer> i have it in the n900
May 02 00:52:58 <wall[e]> i am trying to feed live video from n900 front camera to ubuntu, what would be the best solution?
May 02 00:53:00 <Macer> i'm about to wipe it
May 02 00:53:10 <Macer> so i can install the easydeb image on it
May 02 00:53:13 <jlebar> MohammadAG_, Well...I guess I could read a file from C, if that file contains the current frequency.
May 02 00:53:18 <jlebar> Yeah.
May 02 00:53:26 <jlebar> That's /proc/somethinmg.
May 02 00:53:51 <raster> jlebar: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/...
May 02 00:53:52 <MohammadAG_> jlebar, sys I think
May 02 00:53:53 <Macer> really.. all i need is the nandroid backup
May 02 00:53:54 <wall[e]> beside vnc
May 02 00:53:55 <ZogG_N900> cpuinfo
May 02 00:53:56 <MohammadAG_> that
May 02 00:53:58 <Macer> i can recover to a new sd from that :)
May 02 00:54:02 <raster> open/read/write those files
May 02 00:54:03 <Macer> let's hear it for nandroid! woo!
May 02 00:54:04 <Macer> hah
May 02 00:54:10 <raster> thats how u can control cpu freq
May 02 00:54:21 <Macer> too bad android itself was kind of a let down.. at least to me it was
May 02 00:54:24 <jlebar> It's the bogomips?
May 02 00:54:34 <jlebar> Oh...I see.
May 02 00:54:35 <raster> bogomips?
May 02 00:54:45 <jlebar> nm; my irc client is lagging.  Ignore me for a sec.  :)
May 02 00:54:51 <ZogG_N900> it's little creature
May 02 00:54:54 <ZogG_N900> bogomip
May 02 00:55:12 * raster eats ZogG_N900's bogomip
May 02 00:55:15 <ZogG_N900> it lives inforest
May 02 00:55:25 <Macer> MohammadAG_: i need to repartition it as well ;)
May 02 00:55:25 <raster> not anymore
May 02 00:55:28 <raster> i ate it
May 02 00:55:33 <Macer> is exFAT what ms calls fat32 nowadays?
May 02 00:55:35 <ZogG_N900> i want to sleeeeeep
May 02 00:55:43 <wall[e]> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3530/4569580384_98b5ea8980.jpg
May 02 00:55:49 <wall[e]> nudity
May 02 00:55:52 <MohammadAG_> Macer, that's extended FAT I think
May 02 00:55:57 <ZogG_N900> bogomips pic?
May 02 00:55:58 <wall[e]> possibly
May 02 00:56:00 <Macer> hm
May 02 00:56:12 <Macer> MohammadAG_: isn't that the same thing?
May 02 00:56:27 <ZogG_N900> does it support more than  rgibs files?
May 02 00:56:30 <MohammadAG_> wall[e], which Xournal version is that?
May 02 00:56:31 <MohammadAG_> :P
May 02 00:56:37 <wall[e]> :P
May 02 00:56:51 <MohammadAG_> Macer, nope, think it supports up to 32GB per file or sth
May 02 00:56:55 <raster> MohammadAG_:  u could try nilfs2
May 02 00:57:15 <Macer> yeah
May 02 00:57:18 <Macer> i guess it's different
May 02 00:57:20 <MohammadAG_> nilfs2?
May 02 00:57:22 <Macer> larger volumes to it seems
May 02 00:57:25 <raster> logging fs with revisioning intended to work well on things like ssd's
May 02 00:57:30 <MohammadAG_> Macer, it was added to vista I think
May 02 00:57:30 <Macer> doesn't matter.. everybody knows opensolaris zfs is the best
May 02 00:57:34 <MohammadAG_> (7 as well)
May 02 00:57:37 <raster> should map nicely to sd cards too
May 02 00:57:39 <Macer> heh
May 02 00:57:41 <ZogG_N900> why would u need logging?
May 02 00:57:45 <MohammadAG_> might be on sp3 of xp
May 02 00:57:45 <raster> its relatively new
May 02 00:57:54 <Macer> yeah. i'm just curious if i can partition and format as a fat32
May 02 00:57:58 <Macer> on my win7 laptop
May 02 00:58:08 <Macer> guess there's only one way to find out :)
May 02 00:58:09 <ZogG_N900> fail7
May 02 00:58:17 <Macer> ZogG_N900: fail was vista
May 02 00:58:19 <Macer> win7 isn't that bad
May 02 00:58:26 <ZogG_N900> still fail
May 02 00:58:31 <Macer> as opposed to what?
May 02 00:58:35 <Macer> i thought osx was a total fail
May 02 00:58:35 <raster> ZogG_N900: because that helps spread the writes as it logs  changes//deltas and rebuilds from there.
May 02 00:58:42 <Macer> especially with their hfs+ garbage
May 02 00:58:45 <Macer> :)
May 02 00:58:55 <Macer> and the fact they pull zfs at the final hour
May 02 00:58:58 <Macer> pulled
May 02 00:59:50 <Macer> i actually run ubuntu on my macbook haha. i got it for a deal when it was new at $500 and hated osx so much i just used refit and installed kubuntu
May 02 00:59:53 <Macer> i like kde :)
May 02 01:00:10 <ZogG_N900> bored and want to sleeeeeeeeeeep
May 02 01:00:17 <Macer> uhm
May 02 01:00:19 <Macer> then go to sleep
May 02 01:00:25 <ZogG_N900> kde sucks
May 02 01:00:31 <raster> mac hw is offensive
May 02 01:00:35 <ZogG_N900> ubuntu on mac is sick
May 02 01:00:40 <Macer> haha
May 02 01:00:45 <Macer> works great for me.. better than osx did
May 02 01:00:50 <raster> 1 mouse button. sorry apple. i'm not so stupid that i cant handle more than 1 mouse button thanks.
May 02 01:00:58 <Macer> with its forking of hfs+ metadata that can't be disabled without a 3rd party app
May 02 01:01:06 <ZogG_N900> i had gentoo on laptop and desktop
May 02 01:01:07 <Macer> over network mounts :)
May 02 01:01:17 <ZogG_N900> now set ubuntu on laptop
May 02 01:01:24 <ZogG_N900> and hate it so much
May 02 01:01:34 <Macer> gentoo wastes life
May 02 01:01:36 <Macer> :)
May 02 01:01:50 <ZogG_N900> actually it's so simple
May 02 01:01:52 <raster> gentoo kills the planet
May 02 01:01:53 <raster> :)
May 02 01:02:00 <Macer> i guess you can use bin repos.. but for that why not use debian or something else?
May 02 01:02:04 <Macer> like opensolaris :)
May 02 01:02:05 <Macer> haha
May 02 01:02:13 <Macer> i am actually going to install opensolaris on my mb
May 02 01:02:13 <ZogG_N900> plan9
May 02 01:02:14 <raster> your gentoo use is going to destroy low-lying countries!
May 02 01:02:15 <raster> :)
May 02 01:02:18 <ZogG_N900> or haiku
May 02 01:02:35 <Macer> only thing holding me back is i don't like gnome too much
May 02 01:02:52 <Macer> i hate gtk based stuff altogether tbh. most of it reminds me of win 3.1
May 02 01:02:59 <ZogG_N900> raster, it warms me at winter - just recompiling Oo
May 02 01:03:10 <Macer> at least qt has a little more structure to the rules .. like the OK and Cancel dialogs will be in the same place
May 02 01:03:14 <Macer> and the same :)
May 02 01:03:16 <lcuk> Macer, n900 gtk doesnt look much like gtk :)
May 02 01:03:19 <ZogG_N900> gnome sucks too
May 02 01:03:24 <Macer> lcuk: haha
May 02 01:03:32 <raster> ZogG_N900: per watt.. i am sure u can find a more efficient way to heat you in winter :)
May 02 01:03:34 <Macer> lcuk: some of it does :)
May 02 01:03:44 <Macer> hey.. but m5 has qt apps in it
May 02 01:03:57 <ZogG_N900> m5?
May 02 01:03:59 <lcuk> Macer, sure its hard to completely remove it, but when i first saw n900 i was surprised it was essentially gtk
May 02 01:04:01 <Macer> so hopefully this meego stuff will run on the n900 because i want a qt based ui for my n900
May 02 01:04:14 <lcuk> hey raster \o
May 02 01:04:14 <Macer> lcuk: yeah.. you can still tell tho ;)
May 02 01:04:16 <Macer> haha
May 02 01:04:18 <lcuk> ofcourse
May 02 01:04:32 <Macer> the battery graph app is qt
May 02 01:04:38 * raster doesnt like qt.... but i'm biased
May 02 01:04:40 <Macer> i installed it just because it was qt based haha
May 02 01:04:41 <lcuk> yeah
May 02 01:04:42 <raster> lcuk:  oi oi
May 02 01:04:44 <ZogG_N900> tweego is qt
May 02 01:04:46 <lcuk> nice fullscreen movement
May 02 01:04:57 <lcuk> ZogG_N900, mmm @ tweego
May 02 01:05:02 <Macer> lcuk: yeah :)
May 02 01:05:12 <Macer> i can't wait for a qt based ui for my damn n900
May 02 01:05:17 <lcuk> yeah
May 02 01:05:18 <Macer> i am going to have a party that day
May 02 01:05:21 <lcuk> have you seen hyperui
May 02 01:05:24 <Macer> no
May 02 01:05:31 <Macer> is it something ican use now? :)
May 02 01:05:32 <Macer> haha
May 02 01:05:37 <lcuk> qt none funcitoning demo
May 02 01:05:42 <Macer> oh
May 02 01:05:52 <Macer> well.. gnome makes me feel sad inside when i have to use it
May 02 01:05:55 <lcuk> dialer and contacts and dashboard
May 02 01:05:59 <Macer> i feel like i'm running os/2 warp
May 02 01:06:01 <Macer> :)
May 02 01:06:15 <lcuk> yeah but when i dived into the code i was surprised by how similar to liq* stuff it was
May 02 01:06:24 <wall[e]> any plan for enlightenment version for n900?
May 02 01:06:30 <lcuk> small simple classes with few layers
May 02 01:06:33 <lcuk> it flies on 900
May 02 01:06:33 <wall[e]> @raster :P
May 02 01:06:43 <raster> wall[e]: well it already should work. i've builtefl for it
May 02 01:06:49 <Macer> lcuk: well... hopefully it doesn't die before it is usable :)
May 02 01:06:54 <raster> tho it'd need a lot of integration to make it replace the existing ui
May 02 01:06:58 <raster> and i havent bothered with that
May 02 01:07:07 * Macer is trying to remember the qt based desktop replacement for n810
May 02 01:07:08 <lcuk> wall[e], one of the GSOC selected projects is getting ummmm media player thingy running well
May 02 01:07:09 <raster> i have other phones that use e17+efl for their native ui already :)
May 02 01:07:14 <lcuk> Macer, which die?
May 02 01:07:20 <Macer> qdesktop? no. that wasn't the name
May 02 01:07:24 <DocScrutinizer51> carsten!
May 02 01:07:24 <wall[e]> sounds neat
May 02 01:07:25 <lcuk> i dont personally like its end look
May 02 01:07:36 <lcuk> but it shows that qt can be light enough to make something workable
May 02 01:08:00 <Macer> lcuk: well. :) i'll believfe it when i see it
May 02 01:08:03 <raster> wall[e]:  the gles libs/drivers for n900 are a little buggy for my tasts
May 02 01:08:09 <raster> and performance is severely hampered
May 02 01:08:11 <lcuk> Macer, ofc
May 02 01:08:14 <Macer> and i would figure that qt would be able to be better made than a gtk app
May 02 01:08:17 <MohammadAG> hey lcuk :)
May 02 01:08:29 <lcuk> just highlighting something that can be seen now without waiting
May 02 01:08:32 <lcuk> hiya moh
May 02 01:08:34 <Macer> but i'm no dev.. i only kjnow what i see
May 02 01:08:36 <lcuk> hows it goin tonight
May 02 01:08:37 <wall[e]> raster, too bad.
May 02 01:08:49 <Macer> damnit lcuk .. talking to you it is taking me like an hour to format this
May 02 01:08:50 <Macer> SD
May 02 01:08:54 <MohammadAG> lcuk, not bad, got the SDK installed brasero isn't getting compiled
May 02 01:09:15 <Macer> i have a 16G SD for my N900
May 02 01:09:15 <lcuk> lol macer -ill put you on ignore then now
May 02 01:09:18 <Macer> just for easydeb
May 02 01:09:31 <lcuk> raster, i tohught your core didnt require gl
May 02 01:09:32 <MohammadAG> (installed the SDK twice tbh lol)
May 02 01:09:45 <raster> wall[e]: right now thouhg focus is on  efl itself - so the nuts and bolts and libraries - and then e17 for desktop
May 02 01:10:00 <MohammadAG> Macer, mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk1p1 with the MMC in :)
May 02 01:10:07 <raster> mobile ui stuff is centered in elementary atm and thats orthogonal to e17 right now
May 02 01:10:12 <lcuk> anything decent happening in the unisphere tonight?
May 02 01:10:25 <lcuk> errr internet
May 02 01:10:34 <wall[e]> raster, I see.
May 02 01:10:36 <Macer> MohammadAG: i need to repartition it
May 02 01:10:39 <ZogG_N900> so for developing do i need maemo sdk or nokia qt sdk is enuf
May 02 01:10:45 <Macer> it has 3 partitions on it
May 02 01:10:47 <Macer> :)
May 02 01:10:50 <Macer> is there fdisk onthe n900?
May 02 01:11:03 <ZogG_N900> try it out i think it is
May 02 01:11:22 * DocScrutinizer51 throws peanuts at raster 
May 02 01:11:22 <lcuk> ZogG_N900, depends what you want to build and how well it works
May 02 01:11:51 <ZogG_N900> lcuk wanna start to play around with qt apps
May 02 01:11:56 <Macer> nope
May 02 01:11:58 <wall[e]> i really wish to see e* on n900
May 02 01:12:02 <Macer> no fdisk on n900 :)
May 02 01:12:04 <wall[e]> as integrated desktop
May 02 01:12:05 * Macer reconnects
May 02 01:12:06 <ZogG_N900> trying to make helloworld and so on apps
May 02 01:12:14 <wall[e]> this hildon thing is upsetting me
May 02 01:12:25 <MohammadAG> -sh: fdisk: not found OMG
May 02 01:12:26 <DocScrutinizer51> sfdisk
May 02 01:12:32 <ZogG_N900> wall[e], u always can start the project
May 02 01:12:38 <lcuk> then ZogG_N900 get the latest sdk and readup on how its meant to integrate
May 02 01:12:46 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer51, thanks again
May 02 01:12:55 <Macer> DocScrutinizer51: it will take a year to figure out the commands for that
May 02 01:12:56 <Macer> haha
May 02 01:12:57 <DocScrutinizer51> for what?
May 02 01:12:57 <wall[e]> ZogG, will start building a de based on gnustep next month :S
May 02 01:13:05 <ZogG_N900> lcuk, which one of them?
May 02 01:13:11 <MohammadAG> sfdisk, I was going to compile it
May 02 01:13:18 <wall[e]> ZogG, but probably vaporware
May 02 01:13:59 <MohammadAG> vaporware can be condensed :)
May 02 01:14:00 <ZogG_N900> wall[e], i'm gonna poert explorer to n900
May 02 01:14:07 <MohammadAG> <--- optimistic person
May 02 01:14:09 <MohammadAG> :P
May 02 01:14:11 * raster throws marshmellows at DocScrutinizer51 :)
May 02 01:14:12 <Macer> ugh
May 02 01:14:13 <ZogG_N900> port*
May 02 01:14:18 <Macer> ok win7 is stupid when it cmoes to this
May 02 01:14:21 <Macer> you can't unmount the SD
May 02 01:14:27 <Macer> and you can't partition it when it's mounted
May 02 01:14:28 <MohammadAG> when the folder is open
May 02 01:14:29 <wall[e]> ZogG, internet explorer?
May 02 01:14:36 <Macer> when you eject the usb drive it takes it offline :)
May 02 01:14:39 <MohammadAG> wall[e], keep dreaming :P
May 02 01:14:42 <Macer> so you can't do this on a wnidows box
May 02 01:14:45 <Macer> bastards
May 02 01:14:54 <wall[e]> MohammadAG, i made a logo for the project at least!
May 02 01:14:58 <ZogG_N900> wall[e], nope the windows kinda wm or how does it called
May 02 01:15:13 <MohammadAG> wall[e], it won't happen :)
May 02 01:15:20 <wall[e]> hehe
May 02 01:15:24 <MohammadAG> no libraries for ARM
May 02 01:15:28 <MohammadAG> and it's closed source
May 02 01:15:37 <MohammadAG> so unless MS do it... well you get the point
May 02 01:15:40 <ZogG_N900> gnight. gonna sleep for a while
May 02 01:15:47 <MohammadAG> Night ZogG_N900
May 02 01:15:51 <Macer> ugh. let me throw this thing on a linux box
May 02 01:16:07 <wall[e]> i don't know why i'd want ie anyway
May 02 01:16:12 <wall[e]> i want just e
May 02 01:16:31 <wall[e]> was a royal e user til involved seriously with objc
May 02 01:16:37 <wall[e]> loyal
May 02 01:17:20 <lcuk> i was on the playboy site earlier trying to watch some yoga videos and i realised that there were multiple flash animations trying to run at same time and it frustrates me no end
May 02 01:18:17 <MohammadAG> yoga on pb?
May 02 01:18:18 <wall[e]> i want a way to turn off certain flash, is that possible?
May 02 01:18:33 <wall[e]> like already running flash, not turning it on
May 02 01:18:41 <lcuk> yeah MohammadAG
May 02 01:18:57 <lcuk> wall[e], in my eyes - flash should not run unless its been clicked on
May 02 01:19:03 <raster> wall[e]: well e is working nicely on my other phone toys... :) just n900 i;'ve only gone as far as testing efl (the libs) and that was mostly jsut to test speed and the n900 opengl-es implementation
May 02 01:19:15 <raster> i dont hink i have time to go integrate it all so it all "works"
May 02 01:19:17 <MohammadAG> lcuk, think there's a plugin for that
May 02 01:19:27 <lcuk> MohammadAG, yeah flashblock
May 02 01:19:28 <raster> i'd also need to actually do a nicer mobile ui bit on top of the libs
May 02 01:19:32 <lcuk> but its dont wrong way round
May 02 01:19:33 <Macer> MohammadAG: you made your sd ext3?
May 02 01:19:39 <lcuk> i have to scan the entire dom after its loaded
May 02 01:19:41 <MohammadAG> Macer, yeah
May 02 01:19:46 <lcuk> to then replace it with a clicker knob
May 02 01:19:57 <wall[e]> raster, would be hard to have no community backing, may be you can add some n900 ads to e17 desktop
May 02 01:19:59 <Macer> blah. why not? :)
May 02 01:19:59 <MohammadAG> I have my /var/cache/apt/archives folder on the MMC
May 02 01:20:01 <Macer> haha
May 02 01:20:09 <Macer> ooooh. ok
May 02 01:20:12 <wall[e]> j/k
May 02 01:20:15 <Macer> yeah sounds like an idea
May 02 01:20:24 <Macer> i can just use the internal 32G for like... stuff
May 02 01:20:37 <Macer> you're symlinking everything?
May 02 01:20:42 <MohammadAG> /var is on a 256MB NAND
May 02 01:20:46 <MohammadAG> yeah
May 02 01:21:03 <DocScrutinizer51> huh??
May 02 01:21:07 <wall[e]> but i think i have heard something like more devs isn't always better for the project
May 02 01:21:20 <Macer> does it auto mount the ext3 sd?
May 02 01:21:22 <MohammadAG> err, /var is on root (/), / is on the NAND
May 02 01:21:25 <Macer> into media/mmcx ?
May 02 01:21:26 <DocScrutinizer51> always been - alwazs brainfuck
May 02 01:21:30 <MohammadAG> Macer, it fails to mount it
May 02 01:21:30 <Termana> good morning
May 02 01:21:33 <wall[e]> if it can scope the work to only the win manager part then it shouldn't be a problem.
May 02 01:21:34 <wall[e]> well.
May 02 01:21:35 <wall[e]> n/m
May 02 01:21:39 <Macer> fails to mount it?
May 02 01:21:45 <Macer> :)
May 02 01:21:49 <lcuk> morning Termana
May 02 01:21:51 <Macer> wtf?
May 02 01:21:54 <MohammadAG> yes, FAILS to mount it :P
May 02 01:22:03 <Macer> so you have to mount it manually all the time?
May 02 01:22:13 <MohammadAG> Macer, no, just edit rcS-late
May 02 01:22:37 <MohammadAG> add     /bin/mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc1
May 02 01:22:50 <MohammadAG> after     /bin/mount /home || echo "Failed to mount /home partition."
May 02 01:22:58 <MohammadAG> do it wrong and you'll have to reflash
May 02 01:23:05 <Macer> oh screw that
May 02 01:23:06 <Macer> haha
May 02 01:23:10 <Macer> i'll just make it vfat :)
May 02 01:23:14 <MohammadAG> Macer, ext3 is better
May 02 01:23:21 <MohammadAG> just add one line
May 02 01:23:24 <MohammadAG> and indent it
May 02 01:23:30 <Macer> i don't need that much ext3 space ;)
May 02 01:23:36 <lcuk> and when you reflash forget about how to do it!
May 02 01:23:36 <Macer> the easydeb image can stay on the fat32 partition
May 02 01:23:55 <MohammadAG> tis a shame the N900 doesn't support more than one partition on the MMC
May 02 01:23:59 <raster> wall[e]:  would need to make powermnagement integrated, wifi/gsm controls etc. not going to happen in a hrry - i dont intend to spend time on it anyway
May 02 01:24:14 <lcuk> MohammadAG, which mmc - the internal one?
May 02 01:24:19 <MohammadAG> I wanted a 15GB partition as ext3, and a 2MB one from the ext3 driver
May 02 01:24:22 <wall[e]> raster, look forward to another future device :)
May 02 01:24:25 <MohammadAG> lcuk, external SD card
May 02 01:24:38 <lcuk> nod
May 02 01:24:39 <wall[e]> but i'll buy a new phone next 5 years
May 02 01:24:45 <MohammadAG> I expected a /dev/mmcblk1p2
May 02 01:24:47 <MohammadAG> or similar
May 02 01:24:48 <wall[e]> was using t68 til n900
May 02 01:24:49 <MohammadAG> but nothign
May 02 01:24:53 <MohammadAG> nothing*
May 02 01:25:02 <Macer> ok. rebooting heh
May 02 01:25:03 <MohammadAG> ext3 driver for widows
May 02 01:25:11 <Macer> i just made it vfat... i just do not see the need to have that
May 02 01:25:27 <Macer> i have enough space with my 2GB for stuff :) unless there is something spectacular coming out
May 02 01:25:34 <MohammadAG> Macer, sure, corrupt the MMC everytime you take out the battery cover ;)
May 02 01:25:43 <wall[e]> why most n900 themes are ugly?
May 02 01:25:52 <Macer> but even then i think i would just find  away to resize the onboard stuff
May 02 01:25:55 <MohammadAG> Nokia Nseries and the Mer wannable rock
May 02 01:26:03 <MohammadAG> as well as digital nature
May 02 01:26:07 <Macer> memory card format unsupported?
May 02 01:26:12 <MohammadAG> rofl
May 02 01:26:14 <Macer> hahaha
May 02 01:26:19 <MohammadAG> Macer, just format it in file manager
May 02 01:26:19 <Macer> woo! no vfat support?
May 02 01:26:39 <MohammadAG> I wish that were true
May 02 01:27:08 <Macer> haha
May 02 01:27:18 <lcuk> MohammadAG, what does meego do with memory cards
May 02 01:27:22 <lcuk> are they mounted on boot?
May 02 01:27:23 <Macer> that was weird. .i used mkfs.vfat
May 02 01:27:41 <Macer> ah well. whatever. i'm goign to install easydeb :)
May 02 01:27:58 <MohammadAG> lcuk, I removed MeeGo
May 02 01:28:04 <MohammadAG> I'll chroot it later :)
May 02 01:28:12 <MohammadAG> no point in removing Maemo just to see Bash
May 02 01:28:22 <MohammadAG> ~MeeGo
May 02 01:28:23 <lcuk> MohammadAG, i know you removed it, but next time you do bring it up could you peek please
May 02 01:28:23 <infobot> meego is probably http://meego.com an opensource distribution for netbooks and mobile devices
May 02 01:28:33 <wall[e]> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=51208&l=6e430c85bf&id=100000956174998
May 02 01:29:01 <wall[e]> if anyone interested in appkit based de for n900, msg me
May 02 01:29:04 <MohammadAG> lcuk, thanks a heap, now I'm looking up how to chroot it
May 02 01:29:12 <MohammadAG> ah well, something to do for half an hour
May 02 01:29:17 * b-man has wasted ~6 hours trying to get ubuntu working on his n900, so far, no where -_-
May 02 01:29:18 <MohammadAG> before I go to bed :)
May 02 01:29:23 <MohammadAG> Sun May  2 04:29:26 IDT 2010
May 02 01:29:44 <lcuk> MohammadAG, BELAY THAT ORDER
May 02 01:29:58 <b-man> belay?
May 02 01:30:13 <Macer> hm
May 02 01:30:17 <Macer> debian image installer in extras
May 02 01:30:19 <Macer> i'm not seeing it :)
May 02 01:30:58 * MohammadAG laughs at One issue with a chroot installation is finding space for it. The SD card and Mydocs have plenty of space but they use FAT32 as a file system, so they can't be used directly. A solution is to mount loopback images. The easiest way to get started is to use a prebuilt loopback image. 
May 02 01:31:51 <MohammadAG> lcuk, static, can't hear you :P
May 02 01:31:57 <MohammadAG> <b-man> belay?
May 02 01:32:05 <MohammadAG> cancel
May 02 01:32:06 <b-man> <lcuk> MohammadAG, BELAY THAT ORDER
May 02 01:32:10 <FauxFaux> BELAY IT
May 02 01:32:16 <MohammadAG> or something like that
May 02 01:32:28 <Macer> oh
May 02 01:32:29 <Macer> there it is
May 02 01:32:30 <Macer> heh
May 02 01:32:33 <b-man> lol
May 02 01:32:43 <MohammadAG> lcuk, order NOT belayed, do you copy? :P
May 02 01:32:48 <wall[e]> will this channel eventually transform into meego?
May 02 01:32:59 <MohammadAG> #MeeGo
May 02 01:33:04 <Macer> the image is 300MB? :)
May 02 01:33:06 <Macer> neet
May 02 01:33:09 <wall[e]> thanks!
May 02 01:33:21 <Macer> ah well. let me go ahead and install this.. it only uses up sd space anyways
May 02 01:34:16 <MohammadAG> Macer, what image?
May 02 01:34:33 <MohammadAG> yay 10 minute download on a crappy 6MB connection
May 02 01:34:38 <Macer> debian 5/6 with working audio?
May 02 01:34:51 * MohammadAG needs optical fibers
May 02 01:35:01 <MohammadAG> Macer, it unpacks to 1.2GBs or so
May 02 01:35:10 <Macer> MohammadAG: don't feel too bad.. mine is like... 16mbit
May 02 01:35:19 * lcuk shines a torch in MohammadAG's face
May 02 01:35:22 * b-man hands MohammadAG optical fibers
May 02 01:35:43 <lcuk> my broadband is barely 16bit let along mbit
May 02 01:35:43 <Macer> no wait....that's right.. i upgraded a little while ago.. i think it's 24mbit now
May 02 01:36:00 <Macer> lcuk: i had to get the business class line
May 02 01:36:01 <MohammadAG> lol lcuk
May 02 01:36:07 <MohammadAG> b-man, gee, thanks :P
May 02 01:36:11 <MohammadAG> -rw-r--r--    1 user     root    2147483648 Jan  6 21:48 debian-m5-v2.img.ext2 Macer
May 02 01:36:16 <lcuk> Macer, business class is normally slower than residential
May 02 01:36:26 <MohammadAG> max is 5 where I live
May 02 01:36:33 <MohammadAG> 8 is israeli areas afaik
May 02 01:36:35 <Macer> lcuk: says you ;)
May 02 01:36:37 <lcuk> but you gain uptime and dedicated line to shout when its not working
May 02 01:36:45 <Macer> my business class kicks ass
May 02 01:36:47 <MohammadAG> and what does the UK get, 200MBs :)
May 02 01:36:52 <lcuk> Macer, actually for the longest time it was
May 02 01:37:07 * MohammadAG hates dd
May 02 01:37:17 <lcuk> MohammadAG, 50mb is normal but you can go to 155 i believe
May 02 01:37:19 <MohammadAG> it scares me
May 02 01:37:32 <MohammadAG> lcuk, 200 on the virgin beta
May 02 01:37:35 <lcuk> all linux commands have the ability to scare you
May 02 01:37:48 <lcuk> i sometimes tremble before pressing return
May 02 01:37:48 <MohammadAG> lcuk, not as much as dd :)
May 02 01:38:04 <MohammadAG> lcuk, I don't need to press return, pasting usually does that on its own!
May 02 01:38:07 <lcuk> roger
May 02 01:38:17 <lcuk> oh that annoys me too!
May 02 01:38:40 <MohammadAG> sometimes I just need to adjust one thing
May 02 01:38:48 <MohammadAG> and I find it already did the cmd
May 02 01:39:03 <MohammadAG> SDK installation packages (all of them) copied
May 02 01:39:11 <MohammadAG> ~700MBs, not bad
May 02 01:39:19 <MohammadAG> I got the SDK installed in 10 minutes :D
May 02 01:39:55 <MohammadAG> 2,478 items, totalling 773.1 MB
May 02 01:40:20 <wall[e]> anyone know modest dev team?
May 02 01:40:21 <MohammadAG> lcuk, I hate how dd doesn't have a progress bar
May 02 01:40:27 <MohammadAG> wall[e], file a bug
May 02 01:41:03 <lcuk> wall[e], well all dev teams are modest
May 02 01:41:13 <MohammadAG> lol
May 02 01:41:16 <wall[e]> MohammadAG, it doesn't support parsing certain encoding.
May 02 01:41:18 <wall[e]> heh
May 02 01:41:32 <MohammadAG> wall[e], bugs.maemo.org
May 02 01:41:48 <wall[e]> MohammadAG, I think I can't find a good standard for it.
May 02 01:42:08 <MohammadAG> wall[e], file a bug
May 02 01:42:10 <wall[e]> er, like, it didn't have enough information so the client should guess
May 02 01:42:14 * MohammadAG feels like a bot
May 02 01:42:15 <MohammadAG> :P
May 02 01:42:19 <wall[e]> a bug need a standard to fix :P
May 02 01:42:24 <MohammadAG> wall[e], file a bug
May 02 01:42:32 <MohammadAG> :)
May 02 01:42:35 <wall[e]> thanks! :)
May 02 01:42:45 <wall[e]> well, more like i want to fix this myself
May 02 01:43:06 <MohammadAG> wall[e], umm, squares with 4 characters in them?
May 02 01:43:09 <wall[e]> look for quick suggestion from the team something like that.
May 02 01:43:29 <MohammadAG> dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/user/MyDocs/meego-image bs=1024 count=2097152 how big is the image that's being made exaclty
May 02 01:43:30 <wall[e]> MohammadAG, no, just turn the whole line into [?]
May 02 01:43:36 <lcuk> wall[e], better than a bug report would be a patch
May 02 01:43:36 <MohammadAG> oh, no idea then
May 02 01:43:37 <lcuk> http://modest.garage.maemo.org/    http://gitorious.com/modest/
May 02 01:43:39 <wall[e]> more like iconv doesn't work or something
May 02 01:44:04 <wall[e]> thanks, was thinking of help before diving in
May 02 01:44:10 <MohammadAG> I should've dd'd the image on my i5 and copied it over
May 02 01:44:21 <wall[e]> thanks lcuk
May 02 01:44:28 <lcuk> wall[e], sure have a read and see
May 02 01:44:37 <MohammadAG> lcuk, nokiamessaging is closed though right?
May 02 01:44:48 <lcuk> pass MohammadAG
May 02 01:44:55 <lcuk> not looked so cant answer
May 02 01:45:06 <MohammadAG> oh ok
May 02 01:45:08 * lcuk is not the font of all knowledge
May 02 01:45:15 <lcuk> tho it seems it at times :P
May 02 01:45:21 * MohammadAG sees a Wiki in lcuk 
May 02 01:45:43 <lcuk> hand written wiki :)
May 02 01:45:44 <wall[e]> [[lcuk]]
May 02 01:45:54 <wall[e]> no, should be lc[[]]uk
May 02 01:45:59 <lcuk> page not defined, click [[here]] to create it now
May 02 01:46:18 <lcuk> i like wikis
May 02 01:46:31 * MohammadAG buys lcuk wikipedia
May 02 01:46:33 <lcuk> i keep thinking how a code editor ontop would be cool
May 02 01:46:48 <wall[e]> any attempt for mediawiki on n900?
May 02 01:46:55 <wall[e]> or that need apache?
May 02 01:47:04 <lcuk> someone has entire LAMP stack just yesterday afaik
May 02 01:47:09 <MohammadAG> media wiki?
May 02 01:47:12 <wall[e]> ah oh
May 02 01:47:14 <wall[e]> cool
May 02 01:47:19 <lcuk> was running their blog from it
May 02 01:47:27 <wall[e]> MohammadAG, a version of wiki
May 02 01:47:36 <wall[e]> the one on wikimedia is mediawiki
May 02 01:47:43 <MohammadAG> oh
May 02 01:48:02 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: (<MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer51, thanks again) for what?
May 02 01:48:15 <MohammadAG> fdisk
May 02 01:48:18 <lcuk> just for your pure awesomeness i think
May 02 01:48:27 <wall[e]> MohammadAG, may be a wikiphone is nice
May 02 01:48:29 <MohammadAG> lmfao
May 02 01:48:37 <wall[e]> like mediawiki interface to phone
May 02 01:48:39 <wall[e]> [[dial]]
May 02 01:48:51 <MohammadAG> dial not defined
May 02 01:48:53 <wall[e]> [[add contact]]
May 02 01:49:10 <wall[e]> and directly dial from a dial template
May 02 01:49:12 <lcuk> <a href='dialer.html'>Dialer App</a>
May 02 01:49:26 * MohammadAG hates html
May 02 01:49:33 <lcuk> it hates you too
May 02 01:49:42 <MohammadAG> I know, it keeps throwing Xs at me
May 02 01:49:43 <lcuk> everyone making web pages has to confirm that
May 02 01:49:52 <lcuk> if you ever view source you get
May 02 01:50:15 <MohammadAG> it's still better than PHP I guess :P
May 02 01:50:20 <lcuk> <html><head><declaration> MohammadAG is a git</declaration></head>
May 02 01:50:25 <MohammadAG> (in terms of easiness)
May 02 01:50:32 <lcuk> php is nice
May 02 01:50:34 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: I always think you're a quite sarcastic character
May 02 01:50:39 <wall[e]> usually you mix php with html...
May 02 01:50:40 <lcuk> its got an easy syntax that reminds me of c
May 02 01:50:44 <MohammadAG> echo "not it isn't"
May 02 01:50:48 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, depends on mood
May 02 01:50:56 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 02 01:50:56 <lcuk> i spent too long on slashdot i think
May 02 01:50:58 <DocScrutinizer> same here
May 02 01:51:14 * wall[e] does webapp in objc :P
May 02 01:51:22 <lcuk> having to be snarky to get first post was a decent little game
May 02 01:51:27 <MohammadAG> Warning: iPhone dev^
May 02 01:51:32 * lcuk was always trying for +5 troll
May 02 01:51:42 * wall[e] is an apple hater.
May 02 01:51:51 <lcuk> prefer oranges?
May 02 01:52:00 * wall[e] never wants iphone
May 02 01:52:05 <wall[e]> prefer gnustep :P
May 02 01:52:07 <MohammadAG> no, he likes o2 more :P
May 02 01:52:13 <wall[e]> ah
May 02 01:52:14 <wall[e]> ha
May 02 01:52:15 <lcuk> i do once we get a really stable linux on it
May 02 01:52:33 <lcuk> the hardware itself is sweet - maemo || meego will be nice on it
May 02 01:52:36 <MohammadAG> lcuk, the iPhone?
May 02 01:52:41 <lcuk> sure, why not
May 02 01:52:55 <MohammadAG> it would have no dashboard button
May 02 01:53:05 <wall[e]> but stylus wont work with its touch screen?
May 02 01:53:07 <lcuk> there isnt one now
May 02 01:53:19 <lcuk> wall[e] i never said it was perfect :p
May 02 01:53:24 <wall[e]> ok :P
May 02 01:53:28 <MohammadAG> wall[e], solder finger to the tip
May 02 01:53:36 <MohammadAG> + your *
May 02 01:53:38 <wall[e]> :S :D
May 02 01:53:41 <b-man|n900> rofl
May 02 01:53:51 * lcuk has a finger tip lying around somewhere
May 02 01:54:05 * MohammadAG shrugs
May 02 01:54:16 * lcuk bites his nails
May 02 01:54:19 <lcuk> with hands behind back
May 02 01:54:35 <wall[e]> does nail work with multi touchscreen?
May 02 01:54:42 <lcuk> no
May 02 01:54:42 <MohammadAG> capacitive? no
May 02 01:54:43 <b-man|n900> no
May 02 01:54:56 <wall[e]> cool
May 02 01:55:03 <lcuk> it works with the backlit tracing type
May 02 01:55:15 <lcuk> and should work with statum(sp?)
May 02 01:56:03 <wall[e]> scortum?
May 02 01:56:07 <wall[e]> what's statum?
May 02 01:56:39 <lcuk> Stantum - resistive multitouch
May 02 01:56:40 <wall[e]> pardon my postmodernity i usually get too late to revoke typed word.
May 02 01:57:03 <wall[e]> thanks.
May 02 01:57:10 <wall[e]> company name ?
May 02 01:57:15 <MohammadAG> <wall[e]> scortum? lol
May 02 01:57:38 <lcuk> yes wall[e]
May 02 01:58:41 <wall[e]> this week i'll make my first nice theme
May 02 01:58:58 <wall[e]> should I? like is hildon is going to end soon for meego?
May 02 01:59:04 <wall[e]> if
May 02 01:59:33 <lcuk> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47274
May 02 01:59:40 <lcuk> is one of the most novel themes ive seen
May 02 01:59:40 <MohammadAG_> oh for ****'s sake
May 02 02:00:05 <lcuk> wall[e], people still use windows 3.1
May 02 02:00:12 <lcuk> and even earlier
May 02 02:00:15 <wall[e]> neat.
May 02 02:00:20 <MohammadAG_> dockane, mind kicking the other me? testing this gtk crash
May 02 02:00:20 <MohammadAG_> xchat crashed ubuntu
May 02 02:00:28 <wall[e]> i'm thinking of velvet texture
May 02 02:00:51 <wall[e]> like buttons looks like soft cloth
May 02 02:01:06 <wall[e]> plan to use blender particle to produce effect..
May 02 02:01:26 <lcuk> cool beans
May 02 02:01:52 <MohammadAG_> guess not
May 02 02:02:04 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, does that dd command ever finish?
May 02 02:02:11 <wall[e]> better do it than speaking.
May 02 02:02:20 <lcuk> MohammadAG_, how large were you making file?
May 02 02:03:01 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, no idea
May 02 02:03:08 <lcuk> wlel what were you dding
May 02 02:03:14 <lcuk> i only used it to make big files
May 02 02:03:22 <lcuk> times square has been closed
May 02 02:03:42 <lcuk> they are sending bomb robot in o_O
May 02 02:03:48 <MohammadAG_> it's at 694654976, isn't this 6GBs
May 02 02:05:00 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, dding the meego image
May 02 02:09:57 <GAN900> Love it when deleting in a field sends you back a page
May 02 02:10:01 <GAN900> Fucking awesome.
May 02 02:11:17 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, quick question, what's "better" than kill -9
May 02 02:11:22 <MohammadAG_> cause dd isn't stopping
May 02 02:11:44 <lcuk> tactical nuclear strike from orbit
May 02 02:12:08 <MohammadAG_> actually i think it stopped
May 02 02:12:22 <lcuk> see, scared at the thought
May 02 02:12:25 <MohammadAG_>  05:11:41 up  2:02, load average: 10.76, 11.43, 9.91
May 02 02:12:38 <MohammadAG_> epic load
May 02 02:12:38 <MohammadAG_> xD
May 02 02:13:02 <MohammadAG_> ubuntu 10.04, good bye :)
May 02 02:13:16 <MohammadAG_> debian should be up on my pc tomorrow
May 02 02:13:21 <wall[e]> it's defunct
May 02 02:13:28 <wall[e]> wait til kernel clean resource
May 02 02:14:09 <MohammadAG_> tbh ubuntu has been going downhill
May 02 02:14:21 <MohammadAG_> it's turning into windows
May 02 02:15:04 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, turns out I counted an extra number, it's 800MBs not 8000 :/
May 02 02:15:44 <wall[e]> how can I have all n900 users write for a port of social city
May 02 02:15:55 <wall[e]> or may be flash 10 would do it
May 02 02:15:59 <MohammadAG_> pay them
May 02 02:16:01 <MohammadAG_> :P
May 02 02:16:17 <wall[e]> 1 cent may be
May 02 02:17:08 <wall[e]> i wish i can sell theme on ovi
May 02 02:17:35 <MohammadAG_> u can, but some smartass (points at self) might downgrade apt
May 02 02:17:39 <wall[e]> anyone has experience?
May 02 02:18:36 <wall[e]> for debian?
May 02 02:18:37 <MohammadAG_> not me
May 02 02:19:01 <MohammadAG_> anyways i'm off
May 02 02:19:07 <wall[e]> good ngiht!
May 02 02:19:08 <MohammadAG_> will install meego tomorrow
May 02 02:19:13 <MohammadAG_> Sun May  2 05:19:16 IDT 2010
May 02 02:19:14 <wall[e]> ^t
May 02 02:19:18 <MohammadAG_> a personal record
May 02 02:19:31 <wall[e]> good lcuk!
May 02 02:19:32 <MohammadAG_> oh wait, i've stayed up till 6
May 02 02:19:46 * MohammadAG_ sees what you did there
May 02 02:20:13 <MohammadAG_> Night o/
May 02 02:21:08 <wall[e]> get back to my job!
May 02 02:24:50 <Macer> final fantasy advent children is great
May 02 02:25:03 <Macer> i haven't seen it in a while.. i never really got into that game too much
May 02 02:28:52 <Proteous> had some nice fight scenes
May 02 02:28:58 <Proteous> well, it was all fight scenes
May 02 02:30:38 <Macer> haha
May 02 02:30:45 <Macer> they threw a little plot in there here and there
May 02 02:31:27 <Macer> i just love these retarded oversized swords he uses
May 02 02:32:16 <Macer> plus tifa is a hottie
May 02 02:33:07 <Proteous> heh
May 02 02:33:26 <Proteous> all 6million pixels of her
May 02 02:33:34 <Macer> oh yeah
May 02 02:33:34 <GAN900> Why do people complain about the N900s thickness compared to the iPhone when they put cases on them to make them nearly as thick. . . .
May 02 02:33:41 <Proteous> or would that be polygons
May 02 02:33:48 <Macer> haha
May 02 02:35:11 <Proteous> GAN900: thats the reason that people buy the iphone. its thin enough that you can put a super fugly case on it and have a normal thickness phone
May 02 02:35:37 <Proteous> also don't get me started on phone cases...
May 02 02:35:44 <th3_4zarado> Lucretia lucretia ti amo
May 02 02:35:47 <th3_4zarado> mamma mia
May 02 02:36:05 <Macer> does the n900 even have any good cases?
May 02 02:36:15 <Macer> i could care less if it's thick .. i'd rather it be protected
May 02 02:36:25 <Macer> i was able to find an awesome case for my g1.. it saved it from a few dives :)
May 02 02:38:26 <Macer> this damn movie cracks me up the way 2 people are just totally destroying an entire city like a bad godzilla movie
May 02 02:38:31 <Macer> and people are just acting like it's normal :)
May 02 02:38:53 <Macer> ah the far distant future with alien dna merged into cooperate super powers.
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